[00:15] <sarnold> jackhum: how the heck did you manage to have a firefox 56? did anything on the internet work?
[00:35] <jackhum> sarnold, i had apt installed old version along with new quantum which i availed from snap or ubuntu store as far i remember
[00:36] <sarnold> jackhum: and how did you not update for two years?
[00:43] <jayjo> I formatted a usb drive in the ubuntu 'disk' system preferences and overwrote the data. it says it takes a longer time. I had a small 1GB drive that I did this twice to, and it took the same amount of time each run. Is this just running shred or wipe or dd (or something else)?
[00:43] <jayjo> Seems like it's overwriting data and then erasing it. What utility is this using under the hood?
[00:47] <pragmaticenigma> jayjo: Most formatting is doesn't overwrite the data unless you instruct it to. If it is overwriting the data, it would most likely use something "dd" using either /dev/zero or /dev/urandom as a source
[02:33] <k_sze> Ubuntu is lagging behind in releasing updated Firefox. :S
[02:34] <sarnold> k_sze: https://usn.ubuntu.com/4234-1/
[02:35] <k_sze> sarnold, odd. Must be the Hong Kong mirror(s) always being laggards?
[02:36] <k_sze> ftp.cuhk.edu.hk, to be precise.
[02:37] <sarnold> k_sze: it could be; the default apt configuration includes a line like this to help account for slow mirrors that may only sync once or twice a day:
[02:37] <sarnold> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ disco-security main restricted universe
[02:37] <sarnold> (change disco to whateveris appropriate for you)
[02:38] <_Myst_> hey guys can you assist by help repair an unrecognised usb
[02:38] <_Myst_> Bus 002 Device 017: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) SM3254AD MEMORY BAR
[02:38] <sarnold> k_sze: this suggests that that mirror is two days behind https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.cuhk.edu.hk-archive
[02:38] <_Myst_> Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1
[02:38] <_Myst_> im guessing its fat32
[02:51] <_Myst_> hey guys can you help out repairing a memory stick
[02:51] <_Myst_> hey guys can you help out repairing a memory stick
[02:52] <sarnold> _Myst_: I've used this before to recover files from a busted memory stick http://www.sleuthkit.org/
[02:53] <_Myst_> sarnold: thanks
[03:21] <elphias> hi!, i have a self encrypting SSD, is there anything i need to do to my ubuntu system to make the feature work? or is it automatic? or do i have to setup the ssd/hdd password in bios?
[03:24] <sarnold> elphias: I believe this is where you'd need to start if you want to use TCG OPAL SED https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil
[03:25] <elphias> ok thank you, any other pointers?
[03:26] <sarnold> elphias: none that I know of
[03:26] <elphias> so just download and install?
[03:34] <elphias> oh dear, this is not as easy as i thought it would be, would someone be able to assist me?
[03:35] <elphias> i found this on the github site, but am unclear as to how to use it
[03:35] <elphias> https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil/wiki/Building-sedutil
[03:35] <elphias> some hand holding would be much appriciated
[03:36] <glick> hi
[03:36] <glick> hi does anyone here use ARdour?
[03:36] <glick> Ardour
[03:36] <glick> im having some trouble starting it and getting JACK to work
[03:37] <glick> my user is in the audio group
[03:37] <sarnold> elphias: tbh I've never heard of anyone actually *using* it
[03:37] <elphias> oh
[03:37] <elphias> well i would like to
[03:37] <glick> and in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf its set to use rt scheduling and unlimited mem
[03:37] <elphias> but i cannot do it by myself this is very much complex
[03:37] <glick> but when i start JACK it bitches about not being able to allocate 82megs
[03:37] <glick> or start RT
[03:37] <sarnold> elphias: we were asked to include it so it could be used, but given the .. ahem .. average quality of most drives' encryption support, we figured it'd be better to tell people to use LUKS instead
[03:38] <elphias> luks?
[03:38] <sarnold> linux's software full disk encryption stuff
[03:38] <sarnold> the "full disk encryption" that's exposed in the installer
[03:38] <elphias> oh i have an encryption password at boot for ubuntu, is that the same thing?
[03:39] <sarnold> elphias: probably
[03:39] <glick> i am going to reinstall to enable LUKs
[03:39] <grendal_prime> anyone have issues with cbs all access on ubuntu desktop?
[03:39] <grendal_prime> it worked fine until the new year..then...blammo...2004 error.
[03:40] <grendal_prime> it seems like its probably a drm issue similar to disney +
[03:40] <sarnold> elphias: do you see dm_crypt in lsmod output?
[03:41] <elphias> sarnold, yes it's there
[03:42] <elphias> dm_crypt 40960
[03:42] <sarnold> elphias: then you're probably already using the luks full disk encryption
[03:42] <sarnold> I should really know it better but I didn't have any troubles setting it up on my system so I've never done any troubleshooting..
[03:42] <sarnold> though the day I forgot my password sucked.
[03:42] <elphias> sarnold, and this is better than the encryption that the ssd is capable of?
[03:43] <sarnold> elphias: it's tough to say. a lot of hard drive firmware folks are *terrible* at it; it's hard to be sure since they don't publish their source code..
[03:44] <sarnold> elphias: here's a recent paper https://www.ru.nl/publish/pages/909282/draft-paper.pdf
[03:46] <Holo> has anyone had a total data loss with ubuntu with a hardware raid 10 after shutting down the server properly and having it offline for a HR?
[03:47] <fishcooker> i want to mogrify but E: Package 'imagemagick' has no installation candidate
[03:47] <fishcooker> what is the candidate?
[03:47] <elphias> sarnold, the paper says ssd encruption stuff has flaws, and to not soley rely on it, so would a combo of luks and sedutil be safer then just relying on ssd self encryption alone?
[03:48] <sarnold> elphias: yes, I believe so; LUKS has significantly more peer review than the self-encrypting drives, so I trust LUKS far more
[03:49] <elphias> sarnold, so what about using both methods of encryption? if ssd self encryption is flawed, and luks has it's own flaws, would not combining the two methods on the same system make the ssd more secure?
[03:50] <elphias> sarnold, you'd theoretically have hardware encryption backed by software, or would that be stupid?
[03:50] <Bashing-om> !info imagemagick bionic | fishcooker : what relese are you on ? :
[03:50] <sarnold> fishcooker: you'll have to do more investigation -- a package named 'imagemagick' exists and should pull in the 'real' imagemagick package as needed, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick
[03:51] <sarnold> elphias: I don't trust the hard drive people very far, and certainly not enough to *pay* for it :) but it's indeed possible that newer drives might have fixed the flaws found in that paper (and other papers)
[03:51] <elphias> sarnold, ok, i'm gonna do more research, it's at the very least a neat "toy" and i like tinkering so yeah
[03:52] <sarnold> elphias: *that* is an excellent reason to test it out :)
[03:52] <sarnold> elphias: I could imagine using it within a company, eg loan a laptop out, gen a new key and do a fresh install. get the laptop back, wipe the key, and then you can give the laptop to the next person with a new key, new install, etc..
[03:55] <elphias> sarnold, well right now i'm using cubic to make a personalised iso of my ubuntu install, which is taking a very long time to compress the image, that and my daily backup to an old spinning rust drive should enable me to get back up and running very quickly if something goes wrong. this is for my personal laptop, i've spent alot of time and effort on making my system as secure as possible with vpn, and modifications to the way ubuntu deals with internet
[03:55] <elphias> things, this would be the final step in securing my system if i choose to do it
[03:55] <ScaredySquirrel> ok so how do you run the xorg clients you want with xinit?
[03:56] <ScaredySquirrel> I use xinit /root/xinit -- -retro :1
[03:56] <elphias> i don't have anything to actually hide or do anything illegal, i just want to be a pita if someone jacks my laptop XD
[03:56] <ScaredySquirrel> and I find that I get a stippled background and an X cursor but no clients
[03:56] <ScaredySquirrel> that xinit script is root executable
[03:56] <sarnold> wow you've got the stippled background?? I thought that died back in 2006 or so
[03:57] <ScaredySquirrel> it's a Xorg server flag
[03:57] <ScaredySquirrel> you just use -retro
[03:58] <sarnold> ScaredySquirrel: ahhhhh :)
[03:58] <ScaredySquirrel> it also enabled the actual black X cursor that they used to use
[03:58] <sarnold> ScaredySquirrel: most folks put what they want to run in their ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession files
[03:58] <ScaredySquirrel> I just have the problem of where is my window manager?
[03:58] <ScaredySquirrel> I want to use the /root/xinit file as my xinitrc
[03:59] <sarnold> what's in it now?
[04:00] <ScaredySquirrel> #!/bin/sh
[04:00] <ScaredySquirrel> xterm &
[04:00] <ScaredySquirrel> exec icewm
[04:01] <sarnold> no xterm or icewm start though? hrm :(
[04:02] <ScaredySquirrel> no
[04:03] <sarnold> I'm surprised at this; normally I'd expect either (a) things work as you expect or (b) it flickers a bit and then returns to the prompt, as there's no magic process running to keep X alive
[04:04] <elphias> sarnold, wow, i can't belive this, i think i may actually got this, so far no errors compiling sedutil
[04:04] <sarnold> X running but not actually displaying your processes is weird.
[04:04] <sarnold> elphias: woot
[04:06] <elphias> sarnold, would you help me edit grub if i make a paste to ubuntu pastebin? i am not exactly sure how to put the needed command in there, and i know if i screw up my grub file that the system is borked
[04:06] <sarnold> elphias: sure
[04:06] <sarnold> elphias: though I strongly doubt you can do an in-place conversion
[04:08] <elphias> i'm just following the rulebook with this, i do not know what the results will be, maybe it will work, mebbie it will summon aleins from the future, or maybe i'll do it and cease to exist? who knows, the worst case senario is i do this the ssd explodes killing a preist 3 nuns and a chicken....im still gonna go for it
[04:10] <elphias> sarnold, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/57P8hqJDQj/
[04:11] <sarnold> elphias: note line 10 in that paste -- that's the variable you need to modify
[04:11] <ScaredySquirrel> sarnold: you can copy that /root/xinit file to /root/.Xsession then use startx -- -retro :1
[04:11] <ScaredySquirrel> and that'll run everything
[04:11] <ScaredySquirrel> look at all files starting with /etc/X11/Xsession and you'll find why that works
[04:12] <ScaredySquirrel> my problem is that woeusb from snap will not run saying /bin/mount permission denied
[04:12] <elphias> sarnold, i know that much, i just do not know HOW to edit it, and i cannot afford to do the wrong thing. if you could show me exactly how to place the command it would be much appriciated.
[04:12] <sarnold> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\""
[04:12] <sarnold> GAH STUPID FIREFOX
[04:13] <sarnold> elphias: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash libata.allow_tpm=1 acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\""
[04:14] <elphias> sarnold, thanks i suspected thats how it went but was unsure
[04:15] <ScaredySquirrel> /snap/woe-usb/21/bin/woeusb: line 856: /bin/lsblk: Permission denied
[04:15] <sarnold> ScaredySquirrel: I wonder if you need to connect any snap plugs or something like that to get it to work
[04:19] <ScaredySquirrel> sarnold: what are snap plugs>
[04:20] <elphias> sarnold, gonna reboot now, if i'm not back, you'll know something happend.
[04:22] <sarnold> ScaredySquirrel: it's part of the snap security confinment; see https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management https://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-confinement and https://snapcraft.io/docs/supported-interfaces
[04:27] <elphias> sarnold, well i rebooted with no issues, however i do not know if sedutil works or not, and i tried googling to figure out if there's a command to tell and have come back empty handed
[04:27] <elphias> not sure if lsmod will show it or not
[04:28] <sarnold> elphias: it probably won't, the kernel command line parameter is required to allow a userspace applicaiton to issue raw SATA commands itself
[04:28] <sarnold> elphias: there's a manpage for the tool https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil/blob/master/docs/sedutil-cli.8
[04:29] <sarnold> elphias: you should be able to read it with man ./docs/sedutil-cli.8 from the directory of your git clone
[04:29] <elphias> sarnold, i suspect this may becrypto_simd            16384  0
[04:29] <elphias> cryptd                 24576  1 crypto_simd
[04:29] <elphias>  it? the output from lsmod :
[04:29] <sarnold> elphias: that just implements cryptographic primitives in the linux kernel using the processors SIMD instructiuons
[04:30] <elphias> oh
[04:30] <fishcooker> im on eoan Bashing-om and sarnold... checking
[04:30] <sarnold> elphias: try sedutil-cli -isValidSED /dev/whatever
[04:31] <elphias> well, that command tanked v.v
[04:31] <elphias> i guess it's not working?
[04:32] <sarnold> elphias: can you pastebin the whole thing?
[04:32] <Bashing-om> !info imagemagick eoan
[04:32] <elphias> sedutil-cli command not found
[04:32] <elphias> thats all it says
[04:33] <sarnold> elphias: aha, you either need to use a relative path to it if youi didn't install it into your PATH, or you need to install it into your PATH
[04:33] <Bashing-om> fishcooker: ^^ ensure that the universe repo is enabled in your sources.
[04:33] <sarnold> elphias: I've got bail -- have fun :D
[04:33] <elphias> sarnold, how do i do that? damn>.<
[04:35] <ScaredySquirrel> https://www.fossmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Curseradio-Commandline-Player.png how'd they get that theme?
[04:36] <fishcooker> noted Bashing-om
[04:47] <fullstack> I'm having some weird issues in X11 after a reboot. Windows won't redraw.. I get the Windows 95 freeze effect where it draws everywhere
[04:48] <fullstack> this is fluxbox. I wasn't paying attention to all the apt updates, system crashed, came back, now its buggy.
[04:52] <sumagna> EriC^^: i was upgrading the distro to 19.10 and it said that it couldnt configure grub pc
[04:52] <sumagna> so do i have to configure grub pc again?
[04:57] <Bashing-om> sumagna: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc '.
[04:58] <sumagna> ok going to try that after the upgrade finishes and before restarting it for the upgrade
[05:00] <Bashing-om> sumagna: space-bar to select drive, tab to OK, enter to accept.
[05:01] <sumagna> and it showed even if it said that it couldnt configure that it found the linux images and windows 10
[05:02] <sumagna> it is again generating grub config files and showing the as usual "found ... image and found  windows 10"
[05:03] <sumagna> it is giving a command line
[05:03] <sumagna> what should i do?
[05:05] <sumagna> should i press ok?
[05:06] <sumagna> where should i put the grub?
[05:06] <sumagna> in the root partition or the drive?
[05:07] <heedly> how do I relay mail through gmail using opensmtp?
[05:07] <Bashing-om> sumagna: One needs to *know* where to install grub to. What are you presently booting that you see the install ?
[05:07] <sumagna> ??
[05:07] <sumagna> what do u mean?
[05:08] <fishcooker> how to know the pixel size of the image cli would be appreciated
[05:08] <sumagna> wha do u mean, om?
[05:09] <Bashing-om> sumagna: It is rare indeed that grub is ever installed to other than the device.
[05:09] <sumagna> meaning the root?
[05:10] <sumagna> what device are you talking about?
[05:10] <sumagna> the drive or the root?
[05:10] <Bashing-om> sumagna: Win10 == UEFI, And I have no UEFI experience to ofer good guidance.
[05:10] <sumagna> mine win 10 is legacy boot
[05:13] <sumagna> i didnt select any device and it still says that it has found the images and windows 10
[05:13] <sumagna> and also i installed grub into the hdd
[05:13] <Bashing-om> sumagna: Pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' so we know what we are working with.
[05:13] <sumagna> https://termbin.com/0j6xa
[05:14] <sumagna> Eric helped me with the grub installation after installed the ubuntu 19.04
[05:15] <sumagna> now what om?
[05:16] <sumagna> i have to go fast so tell fast
[05:17] <sumagna> i just got up and saw this warning or error kinda thing
[05:18] <Bashing-om> sumagna: We are looking at a single hard drive :) ... what is installed on the sda2 and sda4 partitions ?
[05:18] <sumagna> sda4 is root
[05:19] <sumagna> and sda2 is an extra volume i made for keeping my files in ubuntu seperate from the root/home directory
[05:19] <Bashing-om> sumagna: You have the problem system booted ?
[05:19] <sumagna> ?
[05:20] <sumagna> Bashing-om: what?
[05:21] <Bashing-om> sumagna:  Grub can be RE-installed, the method depends however on what you can boot up.
[05:21] <sumagna> ?
[05:21] <sumagna> what do u mean
[05:21] <sumagna> ?
[05:23] <sumagna> Bashing-om: hello?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> sumagna: My communications skills leave a lot to be desired - for now we need to determine what we can do about grub. To that end, when you boot sda, what do you boot to ?
[05:24] <sumagna> i boot generally into ubuntu and sometimes into windows 10
[05:26] <Bashing-om> sumagna: Now though --- what is the nature of your current problem ? What are you able to boot about sda ?
[05:26] <sumagna> i didnt reboot so i cant say
[05:27] <sumagna> i reinstalled grub pc btw
[05:28] <sumagna> it found everything, like the images , windows 10. it found ALL of that
[05:29] <Bashing-om> sumagna: What shows ' sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ' ?
[05:29] <sumagna> /dev/sda4
[05:30] <Bashing-om> sumagna: ' dpkg --verify grub-pc ' .
[05:31] <sumagna> t didnt output anything
[05:31] <sumagna> Bashing-om: it didnt output anything
[05:32] <Bashing-om> sumagna: Means system had no issues that it was aware of. All I can suggest at this point is reboot and see what happens.
[05:32] <sumagna> ok wish me luck
[05:32] <elphias> how do i make a bootable usb drive from a .img file?
[05:43] <sumagna> i am back
[05:43] <sumagna> but my wifi is gone
[05:45] <Bashing-om> sumagna: Can not help with WIFI, not experienced there.
[05:50] <balln> hi i have low volume on my xonar u5 external sound card. internal audio is much louder. everything in pulseaudio is set to max. kubuntu 18.04. what can i do?
[05:51] <sumagna> i understand that
[05:51] <sumagna> fixed the wifi
[05:52] <sumagna> my laptop's wifi hardware has problems with ubuntu 19.10
[05:52] <sumagna> it had the problem before and it has the problem still now
[06:17] <k_sze> I forget how to input Unicode diacritics in GNOME desktop.
[06:42] <elphias> i'm currently using cubic to create a customized iso of ubuntu, what i would like to do is completely mirror the settings and packages that i currently have installed in the os in the cubic chroot enviroment, but this seems to be a daunting task to install each and every app individually, is there an easier way? something that would scan my system for settings and apps and configs and allow cubic to access them with a simple command rather than a hundred
[06:42] <elphias> dozen diffrent ones? i've done so much customization to this system that i cannot really remember everything i've done or how i've done it. >.<
[06:54] <vadre> Where is the unofficial support for ubuntu?
[06:54] <ryuo> vadre: is that a serious question?
[06:55] <vadre> ryuo: yes ubuntu stopped supporting realtime audio with lucid
[06:55] <ryuo> you mean low latency kernels?
[06:56] <vadre> ryuo: rt or realtime
[06:56] <rud0lf> file format?
[06:56] <vadre> an echelon above lowlatency
[06:57] <vadre> good - better - best is as to standard kernel - lowlatency - realtime
[06:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> !rt
[06:58] <vadre> about what year was lucid released - eol, I guess I am going back to the days when spellcheck was for spelling and not spying
[06:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> !lucid
[06:58] <vadre> yeah that was likely a golden year 2015
[06:59] <vadre> I suppose the other option is to install mainline ubuntustudio and build a rt patched kernel from kernel.org
[07:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: Why do you need a realtime kernel in a desktop machine? realtime is for embedded. If you use a realtime kernel in a desktop machine, the security implications are astronomical as all it takes is for an attacker to gain access to your machine and set a malicious process to RT, and you lose control of your computer.
[07:01] <vadre> noman is an island
[07:01] <FaTaL_G> can I remove evolution on 18.04 but still keep gnome?
[07:01] <ryuo> FaTaL_G: so you want your desktop to devolve. got it.
[07:01] <vadre> Island Records :)
[07:01] <ryuo> ;0
[07:01] <ryuo> :)
[07:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: That makes no sense. I'm the leader of Ubuntu Studio. What I just described to you is one of the primary reasons we do not have an RT kernel.
[07:02] <Blade> ikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[07:02] <Blade> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 5.4.10-050410-lowlatency x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.34.3
[07:02] <Blade>            Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[07:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> !paste Blade
[07:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> !paste | Blade
[07:02] <vadre> Eickmeyer[m]: no need to accuse only make your statment
[07:02] <FaTaL_G> ryuo, sarcasm aside, I dont intend to ever use the desktop but in rare sitautions. I like gnome, but I have no use for calendars, email handlers, etc.
[07:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: I already did.
[07:03] <ryuo> FaTaL_G: you can probably remove the applications but it may also remove meta packages that are important for upgrades.
[07:03] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/54249YbBGx/  :)
[07:03] <vadre> see you in #ubuntustudio
[07:05] <ryuo> FaTaL_G: so you'll keep gnome but lose ubuntu-desktop meta package most likely.
[07:05] <ryuo> or such
[07:08] <elphias> man i wish i had read the cubic manual more closely days ago, nvm i got the info  i need, turns out you can just copy paste everything.....yay gui!
[07:43] <FaTaL_G> ryuo, I just removed gnome completely. Between it and evolution, over the last few updates, it was a massive memory hog. I dont need it probably ever..... (I jsut like gnome), so its gone
[07:44] <FaTaL_G> CPU went from 63-80% use to 8%
[08:11] <Aaran> Hi, I have a script that runs fine if I manually execute it but if I try to call it as a service it fails
[08:11] <Snetry> there are various things that need to be known
[08:11] <Snetry> how is the service setup, is it called under the right user, etc.
[08:13] <Aaran> the service is set up by creating a lbo.service inside etc/systemd/service, the content is minimal, asked to ran after rc-local.service, and wantedby multi-user.target
[08:14] <Aaran> the script is here https://paste.centos.org/view/81069fc5 the error is sed: -e expression #1, char 24: unterminated `s' command
[08:43] <elphias> i did something wrong in cubic and now my vg-ubuntu partition only has 48mb left out of over 200gb, how do i clean it up and remove the extra crap?
[09:17] <balln> i'll try again - i have low volume on my xonar u5 external sound card. internal audio is much louder. everything in pulseaudio is set to max. kubuntu 18.04. what can i do?
[09:42] <sks_15> !rules
[10:55] <Vooloo> how the hell do you targz something? tar -zxvf foobar.tar.gz ... Cannot open: No such file or directory
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> !tar Vooloo
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> !tar | Vooloo
[10:57] <Vooloo> does not explain why -zxvf does not work
[10:57] <Vooloo> It has for 10+ years
[11:00] <Vooloo> oh it is -czvf
[11:01] <Cheez> yeah, create, zip, verbose, filename
[11:01] <Cheez> zxvf is zip, eXtract, verbose, filename
[11:02] <MJCD> iczya
[11:02] <Cheez> by filename i mean "create output or read input from filename"
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:58] <Intelo> Can I make something automatic that if cpu usage goes more than 98% for more than 60 consecutive seconds, the system shows a 10 second timer (to stop it) else, it shuts down?
[11:59] <EriC^^> Intelo: what's the name of the process?
[12:03] <Intelo> EriC^^, all process in total
[12:04] <EriC^^> Intelo: you could use "uptime" to get the load average for 1min
[12:07] <EriC^^> Intelo: or cat /proc/loadavg
[12:07] <Intelo> k
[12:08] <ryuo> loadavg can be deceptive. i've had it go over 8.0 before during a lot of concurrent builds.
[12:10] <marve> q
[12:32] <leftyfb> Intelo: your effort would be better spent preventing the cpu usage from going up in the first place
[12:36] <Intelo> leftyfb, k
[12:42] <tomreyn> or on making the fans spin up in time
[13:03] <sliddjur> After upgrading from opensuse to  ubuntu I am getting invalid DNS responses on some dns requests with dig. "DNS 107 Standard query response 0xaf65 Format error"
[13:05] <sliddjur> I also notice it is only fqdn that ends in .local
[13:06] <zamba> how do i reduce the width of the titlebar for gnome-terminal
[13:06] <zamba> it's *huge*
[13:07] <zamba> and all those tricks involving .config/gtk-*/gtk.css doesnt work
[13:12] <ryuo> zamba: Err... why is that a problem? the width is bound to the width of the window typically.
[13:12] <ryuo> zamba: do you mean the height?
[13:24] <Habbie> sliddjur, .local is for multicast DNS (mDNS/Bonjour/Avahi), are you using it for that, or do you have .local configured in a name server?
[13:28] <sliddjur> Habbie unfortunately our server guys uses that for a local domain...  other systems can resolve .local domains.  It seems the dns requests never leave my new ubuntu server
[13:30] <Habbie> sliddjur, you may need to remove/disable avahi on your server then
[13:30] <leftyfb> sliddjur: how did you configure DNS? Is it just a desktop GUI with DHCP?
[13:30] <Habbie> sliddjur, you also need to tell your server guys to stop doing that
[13:31] <sliddjur> Habbie yes thanks for tips. My server has no avahi-daemon it seems like?  systemctl status avahi-daemonUnit avahi-daemon.service could not be found.
[13:31] <sliddjur> leftyfb its a server with static ip and dns. configured via netplan
[13:32] <leftyfb> sliddjur: what do you have set for your nameserver(s)?
[13:32] <sliddjur> leftyfb a list of my two dns server.
[13:33] <leftyfb> sliddjur: both internal DNS servers?
[13:33] <sliddjur> leftyb other dns requests work. Just fqdn ending in .local from this particular host
[13:33] <sliddjur> leftyb both internal.
[13:34] <leftyfb> sliddjur: ok, so it seems to me, one of those DNS servers isn't resolving correctly. I would suggest configuring only 1 of them and seeing how things go. Then switch and see if it makes a difference.
[13:34] <sliddjur> @leftyb they are resolving correctly.
[13:34] <sliddjur> only .local doesnt resolv. because request never leaves my machine
[13:34] <ioria> sliddjur, you can try to change the Domain string in  /etc/systemd/resolved.conf  with something like 'mydomain.local' and restart systemd-resolved
[13:35] <sliddjur> ioria everything is commented out in that file.
[13:35] <ioria> i know
[13:36] <ioria> ah, sorry
[13:36] <leftyfb> sliddjur: do you have a search setting in your netplan config?
[13:36] <sliddjur> leftby no search settings.
[13:37] <leftyfb> though, I don't think you can actually put a TLD in there.  I'm kinda having a problem (not really a problem). This message shows up every time I boot up. https://pasteboard.co/IPkdVBt.png  I'm using Ubuntu MATE 19.10.
[13:45] <Guest28779> Although, I don't think there is any problem
[13:45] <Guest28779> I mean, I haven't noticed any
[13:45] <ioria> Guest28779, check your /var/crash
[13:46] <Guest28779> okay
[13:47] <ioria> Guest28779, ls -al gives you an hint about what app crashed and the timestamp
[13:48] <sliddjur> leftyb https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?d4c221174b09ed9f#YW9W91c9MnQMC9htrgTQsdJ0SwdnXkVe6nnEdOLXyXQ=
[13:48] <Guest28779> yeah, I did "ls -la" ioria
[13:48] <sliddjur> leftyb but it never leaves system.
[13:49] <Guest28779> It seems like timeshift, lios and macro have crashed
[13:49] <Guest28779> But, what's macro?
[13:49] <Guest28779> I know timeshift and lios have crashed a couple of times some time agoo
[13:50] <ioria> Guest28779, if you want you can save those files somewhere else (or remove them)  and reboot
[13:51] <Guest28779> ioria: Will that stop that message from popping up every time I boot?
[13:51] <ioria> Guest28779, it should
[13:52] <Guest28779> ioria: Okay, I'll try that, and if it works, I'll note it down somewhere so that I don't forget when the same thing happens again. Thanks :)
[13:53] <ioria> Guest28779, ok
[14:17] <Tolhsadum> Hi y'all! I have some troubles with the gcc version of my system.  I now want to revert back to the regular 7.4.0 so I uninstalled gcc-9.2.0. However, when I call gcc -v it still says gcc 9.2.0 even though 9.2.0 is not installed anymore
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> Tolhsadum: does apt complain about anything?
[14:18] <Tolhsadum> No it doesn't seem to bother it
[14:19] <Tolhsadum> And the weird thing is that the symlinks seem to point to the right gcc-7.4.0 version
[14:22] <tomreyn> Tolhsadum: if     gcc --version    reports it is 7.4.0, then    readlink -f $(which gcc)    should tell you where this is. and     dpkg -S /path/to/this/gcc    would tell you whihc package it belongs to
[14:24] <tomreyn> also check     alias gcc    in case you defined one, as well as the CC environment variable (use "env")
[14:25] <Tolhsadum> tomreyn: gcc --version says 9.2.0
[14:25] <tomreyn> umm sorry that#'s actually what i mean, if it still reports 9.2.0 then do what i suggested
[14:27] <Tolhsadum> I got an error saying that no path found is matching the pattern
[14:28] <tomreyn> when you ran which command?
[14:28] <Tolhsadum> no the dpkg command with the path given by the which
[14:28] <Tolhsadum> readlink*
[14:29] <tomreyn> so you probably did not install a debian package when you "installed" 9.2.0
[14:29] <Tolhsadum> Oh good point, I'll try to find what I've done to install in
[14:29] <Habbie> ,v gcc
[14:29] <Habbie> sorry
[14:29] <Tolhsadum> it*
[14:30] <Habbie> tomreyn, you said debian and i just assumed we were in #debian :D
[14:30] <tomreyn> Habbie: my (less sincere) apologies
[14:32] <Tolhsadum> tomreyn: Although, when I call gcc-9 I don't have anything anymore, so it seems to be uninstall
[14:32] <Tolhsadum> +ed
[14:33] <tomreyn> Tolhsadum: if you're happy, so am i.
[14:34] <Tolhsadum> No no, that's not good xD because gcc -v still gives me 9.2.0 :'(
[14:35] <tomreyn> Tolhsadum: well, the proper response here is: don't install software by unsupported means. if you do, be prepared to know how to fully uninstall it yourself, or to reinstall.
[14:36] <tomreyn> supported means are apt, from your ubuntu releases (official) repositories, and, i guess, snap
[14:37] <Tolhsadum> tomreyn: I know I know, didn't have much choice though, the support of some of our hardware told us the hardware was online fully compatible with gcc 9.2
[14:37] <Tolhsadum> And 2 of our machines were down because of an Ubuntu update (fully official this one)
[14:37] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running there aynways?
[14:38] <Tolhsadum> I was trying to fix it for several days until another update of Ubuntu 18.04 fixed it
[14:39] <tomreyn> ubuntu 19.10 supports and defaults to gcc 9.2
[14:39] <Tolhsadum> Yeah but it's not LTS
[14:39] <tomreyn> right,t here's no LTS release supporting gcc-9 directly, you'd need a PPA
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> 20.04, but is still in development :p
[14:40] <Tolhsadum> yeah, that was a mess :s. And it was actually useless
[14:40] <TJ-> Tolhsadum: missed the beginnings of your issue, but one option may be to use a 19.10 LXD container on 18.04 for the application requiring gcc 9.2 ?
[14:40] <Tolhsadum> But now I think it's messing with my cuda
[14:41] <tomreyn> here's a PPA you could have tried https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test?field.series_filter=bionic
[14:43] <Tolhsadum> tomreyn: Is there a way to remove a ppa package with apt?
[14:44] <sixwheeledbeast> the same as installation but with --remove flag IIRC
[14:44] <Tolhsadum> Well I cannot find it with apt list, so I might have install it from source
[14:44] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge | Tolhsadum
[14:45] <sixwheeledbeast> oh the package? should just remove with apt as normal.
[14:45] <tomreyn> ppa-purge to remove the ppa and any packages from it. if you want to keep the ppa enabled with all possible side effects, you can just uninstall the packe
[14:45] <tomreyn> *package
[14:46] <tomreyn> but your gcc 9.2 installation doesn't seem to have been a package, as i think you already established.
[14:46] <Tolhsadum> Yeah, I would see it with apt list if it was an apt package, right? Even a ppa
[14:47] <tomreyn> yes
[14:47] <Tolhsadum> So I have to find the build folder and make uninstall then!
[14:47] <tomreyn> and dpkg -S /path/to/gcc would have known about it
[14:56] <andre144k_> hello all - is there a way in vim to show currect cursor-position (x, y) in vim inside status-line?
[15:05] <Joel> andre144k_ mine shows that by default
[15:08] <BlueShark_> My headphones when connected to Ubuntu via bluetooth does not give proper audio quality. Any ideas why this might be happening?
[15:10] <jeremy31> BlueShark_:  there are some work arounds on askubuntu.com
[15:11] <TJ-> BlueShark_: check which audio profile is being used - for good quality stereo it should be A2DP but it has likely selected a headset profile (HFP or HSP)
[15:12] <BlueShark_> TJ-:  it's using A2DP., I checked.
[15:12] <BlueShark_> would it be better if I buy a bluetooth-USB adapter?
[15:13] <TJ-> BlueShark_: what are you noticing? Could it be caused by interference from other strong 2.4GHz radio signals ?
[15:14] <jeremy31> BlueShark_:  have you tried a speaker test from sound settings?
[15:28] <seere> andre144k_: which of the variuos vim packages do you have installed? vim-tiny is compiled without support for statusline.
[15:31] <andre144k_> moment im back in 5min
[15:39] <andre144k_> seere, ah i founded.. on this system is "vi" an own minimal binary, and not an link to "vim" - and i called allways "vi foobar.sh"
[15:39] <andre144k_> :]
[15:45] <yotux> Does anyone have a suggestion for a graphics card?
[15:46] <sixwheeledbeast> that's a bit vague. i always stick to radeon but it's depends what you plan to use it for? if you need nvenc or whatever
[15:47] <sixwheeledbeast> also budget?
[15:47] <yotux> I not a gamer older system 2015 looking to be under $300
[15:48] <yotux> I had a Nvidia 8800 its starting to fail
[15:48] <yotux> I also run some virt machines....
[15:49] <yotux> Nvidia used to have really good driver support not sure how AMD is doing...
[15:50] <sixwheeledbeast> Your looking 1660Ti or RX5700 for that budget
[15:50] <yotux> sixwheeledbeast thanks
[15:51] <sixwheeledbeast> i have always had good results with Radeon open source drivers.
[15:51] <yotux> what are you currently using?
[15:53] <sixwheeledbeast> RX580 did have an old HD7770
[15:53] <sixwheeledbeast> you can pick ex mining RX5x0's up for good money
[15:58] <sixwheeledbeast> Those are top of your budget you likely wouldn't need that if your not gaming.
[15:59] <yotux> I appreciate your opinions and time
[16:13] <sixwheeledbeast> yotux: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#X=0,30468&sort=-price
[16:20] <SASDOE> hi all. Having issues with my gigabyte ethernet (82574L) which is unclaimed in lshw. dmesg says it failed to init msi-x interrupts and then fails with error -5
[16:20] <SASDOE> brand new install of ubuntu 18.04. worked in 14.04 but i didn't boot that in a couple years.
[16:20] <SASDOE> NIC is live in the BIOS
[16:24] <SASDOE> could also be an NVM checksum issue whatever that is
[16:33] <tomreyn> SASDOE: bios is up to date?
[16:34] <tomreyn> oh, worked with 14.04 hmm
[16:35] <pizzaburger> Hello! USB 3.1 flash is defunct. In "Disks" in Ubuntu 19.10 when formatting I get an error "Error wiping device: Failed to probe the device '/dev/sda' (udisks-error-quark, 0). Gparted doesn't even recognize it, getting a Libparted Error "Input/output error during read om/dev/sda. Is the USB stick stick just corruped beyond repair?
[16:35] <pizzaburger> Sorry for the sausage fingers
[16:35] <tomreyn> SASDOE: show some logs about its intialization on a pastebin then
[16:36] <elias_a> pizzaburger: Usually that is sign of flash memory being physically broken.
[16:37] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: show what's logged to    journalctl -f     while you attach it
[16:38] <tomreyn> !paste
[16:42] <SASDOE> I'm currently trying some random fix for the nvm thing will report back
[16:45] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: It doesn't even pick up the USB anymore, should I still run journalctl?
[16:46] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: what is "it", and how do you know it "does not pick up the USB anymore"?
[16:46] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Sorry, my computer. It does not show up under "disks"
[16:47] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: okay, this could be for a variety of reasons. being broken is one of those, and it's likely if it used to work before on the same computer, but there can be other reasons.
[16:48] <TJ-> pizzaburger: the kernel may still report the device being attached and may indicate problems too, so the 'journalctl' report would be useful
[16:49] <tomreyn> other possible reasons include: unreadable partition table, new package versions (kernel, systemd, udev etc) introduced a bug.
[16:50] <TJ-> I/O error rather suggests device is trashed or problems on the USB
[16:52] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: consider installing an actual irc client, too, it can be a lot more comfortable to use this chat that way than it is now.
[16:56] <bracham> tomreyn what is he using and how do you know that?
[16:57] <TJ-> bracham: /whois <nick>
[16:59] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: 'journalctl' is running. Ok, which client would you recommend?
[17:00] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: irc lcient? i don't know what your preferences are. maybe hexchat, weechat, irssi or something else.
[17:01] <tomreyn> apt search 'irc client'
[17:01] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Are all of them in the Debian 10 repository? Can they work through Tor?
[17:01] <tomreyn> we support ubuntu here
[17:02] <ryuo> !debian
[17:03] <bracham> Thanks TJ-
[17:03] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Alright, thanks for the suggestions! I'll be sure to check them out!
[17:04] <SASDOE> i wish i could copy paste into a mouse lol. then just plug into the laptop and show you folk
[17:04] <SASDOE> which logs are relevant? dmesg | grep e1000e and that's it?
[17:04] <ryuo> SASDOE: wat? X11 has supported mouse only copy+paste for years.
[17:05] <SASDOE> I meant as in store the contents in the mouse then physically move the mouse to another laptop (which has internet unlike the server im trying to get working)
[17:05] <ryuo> then try pastebin command
[17:05] <ryuo> err
[17:05] <ryuo> pastebinit
[17:05] <SASDOE> how's it going to reach pastebin if my nic's are dead?
[17:05] <SASDOE> which is what im trying to fix
[17:05] <ryuo> then how are you accessing it now?
[17:06] <SASDOE> my laptop for irc and a keyboard and monitor for the srever
[17:06] <ryuo> so you have physical access?
[17:06] <SASDOE> yes ofc
[17:06] <ryuo> well for all i know it was networked serial port through the BMC.
[17:06] <SASDOE> fair
[17:07] <ryuo> and you have no usb media
[17:07] <SASDOE> tomreyn: which logs do you want?
[17:07] <SASDOE> yh i will do that if im asked for much but if its only dmesg i can type the errors out
[17:08] <tomreyn> just    journalctl -b > /tmp/log    is probably good enough
[17:09] <SASDOE> (regarding two intel nics which are UNCLAIMED in lshw but dmesg says e1000e (the correct module for them) failed with nvm checksum errors and msi-x interrupts errors
[17:10] <SASDOE> unrelated but why is the server printing (certainly looks like it) at a speed of 1 line/sec on this?
[17:10] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: How long should the 'journalctl' command be running?
[17:10] <tomreyn> we don't know, it's not normally like this
[17:11] <tomreyn> SASDOE: ^
[17:11] <SASDOE> :D ok i don't care enough anyway
[17:11] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: are you running ubuntu or debian?
[17:11] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Ubuntu 19.10
[17:12] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: I'm also getting red errors regarding core/package temp above threshold
[17:13] <SASDOE> tomreyn: http://dpaste.com/1AZ71RR
[17:13] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: journalctl -f  prints new log entries to the screen indefinitely. you can cancel it using ctrl-c at any time.
[17:14] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: as a reminder, the idea was to run    journalctl -f   then insert the usb device and see what's reported. you can then ctrl-c
[17:14] <SASDOE> only stuff I can see is the dmesg stuff really
[17:15] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Ok, this is with the potentially corrupted USB stick inserted: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fd8M6XKdJk/
[17:17] <tomreyn> SASDOE: ok, i see those error messages you mentioned in context now. have you considered upgrading to the latest kernel version (assuming you'Re able to bring this system online by other means temporarily, or can carry over those packages)? i'd also suggest you look for a bios upgrade.
[17:18] <SASDOE> bios fully up to date (as in, they released an update in 2013 and none since
[17:19] <SASDOE> should I just try ubuntu 19.10 then? I can reinstall the OS
[17:19] <SASDOE> this was installed from a live 18.04 LTS
[17:19] <tomreyn> SASDOE: no need to reinstall, you can try a live iso
[17:19] <SASDOE> oh smart
[17:20] <tomreyn> https://sourceforge.net/p/e1000/bugs/598/ reports unfixed with linux 5.3.4
[17:20] <tomreyn> that's a different linux distro and kernel, though, of course
[17:21] <SASDOE> and nic
[17:24] <tomreyn> right, but same driver, same message
[17:25] <ioria> SASDOE, in the meanwhile , you can try to boot with the 'pci=nomsi' option and remove the 'maybe-ubiquity' option
[17:26] <SASDOE> is that the error I should focus my googling on? not the NVM thing?
[17:29] <TJ-> SASDOE: tomreyn In early ACPI-related boot this is VERY suspect "[81B blob data]"
[17:29] <ioria> SASDOE, btw, why are you using an old release of bionic ? a do-release-upgrade maybe ?
[17:32] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks. suspect of what exactly? corruption / improper table parsing?
[17:32] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: I'm just gonna scratch the USB since it doesn't work on any device. Another question, should I be concerned/addressing the Core/Package tomperatures being above threshold?
[17:32] <SASDOE> nah full fresh install
[17:33] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: yes, any thermal issues can easily affect stability.
[17:33] <SASDOE> i have an old 14.04 on a different drive but it's not even mounting
[17:33] <SASDOE> well set to be mounted*
[17:33] <TJ-> tomreyn: well, at that point we'd expect to see the firmware's various ACPI tables reported... instead that opaque report, which I cannot find in the kernel source
[17:33] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i did not get around to look at your log, yet, sorry
[17:33] <ioria> SASDOE, 18.04 isos were moved to old-release repo....
[17:34] <SASDOE> I pulled this off the download ubuntu main webpage
[17:34] <SASDOE> it's LTS
[17:34] <ioria> SASDOE, what's your kernel ? uname -r
[17:35] <ioria> SASDOE, on the  download ubuntu main webpage you find 18.04.3
[17:35] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: It's fine, I always appreciate your and all the other members' help on here. And I'm not in a rush of any kind.
[17:35] <tomreyn> TJ-: it's journalctl doing the "blob data" replacement
[17:36] <tomreyn> see --all
[17:36] <SASDOE> yh it's 18.04.3 sorry
[17:36] <TJ-> SASDOE: tomreyn  ahhh, but I'd expect to see a DSDT reported.. SASDOE  can you rerun the report with "journalctl -b --all"
[17:37] <ioria> SASDOE, really ? i see 4.15.0-55 in your pastebin
[17:38] <tomreyn> ioria: i think the ubuntu server 18.04.3 installer lets you choose between vanilla and LTSE kernel
[17:38] <SASDOE> ioria: yh just checked and all
[17:38] <SASDOE> i don't recall being prompted
[17:38] <tomreyn> s/vanilla/GA/
[17:38] <ioria> tomreyn, yeah
[17:39] <SASDOE> but yh running 4.15.0-55 and 18.04.3
[17:39] <SASDOE> I'll give 19.10 a shot
[17:39] <sumagna> hello
[17:39] <SASDOE> TJ-: do I need to reboot to clear the boot options iora had me set for the logs to be relevant or not?
[17:40] <ioria> SASDOE, i suggested you  to boot with the 'pci=nomsi' option and remove the 'maybe-ubiquity' option
[17:40] <SASDOE> yh I did that sorry. I was asking TJ if i should reboot without those before uploading a new journalctl log file
[17:41] <ioria> SASDOE, nothing changed, i guess ?
[17:41] <OerHeks> !hwe
[17:41] <SASDOE> (those flags only added an error message saying it can't use MSI things)
[17:41] <SASDOE> so instead of just msi-x it also had the same error about msi
[17:41] <ioria> SASDOE, i see, yes remove that option and reboot
[17:42] <SASDOE> appreciate the help lads. Not the first time either and my last run in with ubuntu was 4 or 5 years ago so it's very appreciated
[17:43] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: so the usb storage is properly detected by the kernel, no problems reported, no warnings about it.
[17:43] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764892
[17:43] <TJ-> SASDOE: no need to reboot
[17:44] <TJ-> SASDOE: I just want to be sure no ACPI table errors are being reported
[17:44] <SASDOE> ioria: that link suggests i should be fine on 19.10 no?
[17:44] <ioria> yep
[17:44] <TJ-> SASDOE: looks like ioria nailed the cause
[17:44] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: unless you need to recover / preserve the data stored on it, i suggest you just create a new partition table on it using gdisk or gparted, or overwrite the first 1 MB by zeros (using dd)
[17:45] <ioria> SASDOE,  you can stick with bionic but with the new kernwl 5.0
[17:45] <SASDOE> ok ok ill skip the journal thing then TJ and go straight to booting from 19.10 to see if tat works
[17:45] <ioria> sounds brave
[17:46] <tomreyn> hmm it says fix released, and fixed in 4.15.0-23.25
[17:47] <ioria> we'll see
[17:47] <tomreyn> http://dpaste.com/1AZ71RR.txt says 4.15.0-55.60, built Jul 2 18:22:20 UTC 2019
[17:47] <tomreyn> yes, will see, still a good catch!
[17:50] <SASDOE> ALso just noticed when booting, the Intel Boot Manager complains about the NVM being corrupted or unitianalised
[17:50] <SASDOE> with the correct spelling
[17:51] <SASDOE> and on 19.10 I just saw the same msi-x and nvm messages go through
[17:51] <TJ-> SASDOE: have any motherboard firmware settings changed recently?
[17:52] <SASDOE> I tried turning both NICs off / on to make sure they were indeed on
[17:52] <SASDOE> that's it otherwise. Server wasn't booted in 4 years bc it was at my ex's
[17:53] <SASDOE> oh they're not live usbs (server) but just installation ones
[17:53] <TJ-> SASDOE: If it won't cause problems I'd reccommend doing a firmware setttings 'factory/default' reset because it 'feels' to me like this is a mobo/firmware misconfiguration/corruption issue
[17:54] <SASDOE> and neither nic comes up in the network connections thing suggesting 19.10 doesn't solve this issue
[17:54] <SASDOE> i'll try the mobo factory default
[17:54] <ioria> SASDOE, then try 'noapic'
[17:54] <SASDOE> that's a boot flag yes?
[17:54] <ioria> yes
[17:54] <TJ-> SASDOE: yes, stands for "No Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller"
[17:55] <SASDOE> aight ill try both at once im feeling mad
[17:56] <TJ-> SASDOE: best to try one at a time since otherwise you won't know which (may) fix it :)
[17:56] <tomreyn> or whether one fixed it and the other broke it again
[17:56] <SASDOE> ahhh you guys are so patient
[17:56] <SASDOE> ok
[17:58] <TJ-> Welcome to Combinatoral Ubuntu kernels :)
[17:58] <SASDOE> bios defaults didn't fix it i'll give the noapic a shot (keeping maybe-ubiquity ?)
[17:58] <ioria> nope
[17:58] <TJ-> SASDOE: "maybe-ubiquity" is a user-space flag so it won't affect the kernel config
[17:59] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: post a full log from a fresh boot if you like to examine what's wrong with the thermals.
[17:59] <SASDOE> so remove it to be clear?
[17:59] <TJ-> it is detected in the initrd.img's /init when the GUI installer (Ubiquity) may need to be invoked
[18:00] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Alright, I'm going for a walk with my dog, will do that when I get back if you're still around! Thanks for the help!
[18:00] <ioria> SASDOE, did you install  a gui on that server setup ?
[18:00] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: you're welcome.
[18:00] <SASDOE> hell no I haven't gotten past "I need the NICs to work"
[18:01] <ioria> isee , so maybe not so relevant
[18:04] <SASDOE> same errors on the noapic flags
[18:04] <SASDOE> sooo... throw the mobo in the bin and get a new one?
[18:04] <SASDOE> blimey I can't believe this.. was working fine 4 years ago.. :D
[18:05] <tomreyn> i'd play with jumpers next
[18:05] <TJ-> SASDOE: is the E1000e a PCIe adapter? if so, unplug and re-plug it *firmly* - I'm wondering if it has vibrated out of alignment in the slot
[18:07] <SASDOE> no it's on the mobo
[18:07] <SASDOE> they are
[18:07] <SASDOE> two of them...
[18:07] <ioria> SASDOE, maybe you need the Intel driver
[18:07] <SASDOE> should work on the e1000e according to everything else i've seen tho
[18:08] <TJ-> ioria: as far I can tell, "maybe-ubiquity" is added by curtin (see bug #1527664 comment #10)
[18:08] <ioria> SASDOE, the problem is the Hw not the SW
[18:08] <ioria> TJ-, yeah
[18:08] <SASDOE> ioria: that's why i suggested binning the damn motherboard lol
[18:09] <SASDOE> but it pisses me off
[18:09] <ryuo> SASDOE: how new is the server? i once had a problem where the problem was the hardware was too new for the kernel driver.
[18:09] <ioria> SASDOE, try bootutil from Intel
[18:09] <SASDOE> anything specific?
[18:09] <ioria> SASDOE, http://mynixworld.info/2012/12/05/e1000e-the-nvm-checksum-is-not-valid/
[18:09] <SASDOE> did that
[18:09] <SASDOE> didn't work
[18:09] <SASDOE> I mean it ran
[18:10] <SASDOE> But didn't fix the issue
[18:10] <ioria> ah
[18:11] <SASDOE> ikr..
[18:12] <ioria> SASDOE, can you in some way paste 'lspci -nnk | grep Eth -A 5'
[18:12] <ryuo> ioria: so their problem is their ethernet driver is refusing to load due to a checksum error?
[18:13] <SASDOE> yh pretty much
[18:13] <ryuo> looks like that bootutil may be the only option.
[18:13] <ioria> ryuo, http://dpaste.com/1AZ71RR
[18:13] <SASDOE> I mean we don't know what it is but that's one of the possibilities
[18:14] <TJ-> SASDOE: in firmware setup, on the "Server Management" tab, check the "View SMBIOS Event Log" for any clues as to mobo problems
[18:14] <ioria> you don't even know if the module is loaded
[18:14] <TJ-> SASDOE: page 53 of the user manual
[18:15] <SASDOE> anything specific im looking for? had a scroll earlier and nothing came flying out of the computer but i wasn't too sure what to look for
[18:17] <ioria> SASDOE, can you in some way paste 'lspci -nnk | grep Eth -A 5'
[18:18] <SASDOE> coming right up. i'll also try the bootutil thing now that i've enabled both nics (only tried it on one with another disabled...)
[18:18] <TJ-> SASDOE: unfortunately I don't... more like if it seems to have recent reports then they may indicate an issue and the error codes need investigation to find out what they indicate
[18:19] <WaV> I understand that VNC without a ssh tunnel poses some security risks. What exactly are those risks other than a security breach if there is a weak password? Is it that the vnc password is sent plaintext? What other risks are there associated without ssh tunnelling?
[18:19] <TJ-> SASDOE: any spare PCIe NICs lying around you can use to at least get some network going?
[18:19] <WaV> I use tunneling myself, but was just curious
[18:19] <SASDOE> My boss is having a look around the office now, we prolly do but the question is where
[18:20] <TJ-> SASDOE: nick one from another server :p
[18:21] <tomreyn> WaV: everything is plain text, so a being-in-the-middle can just watch what you're doing, capture inputs and outputs.
[18:21] <SASDOE> i'd have to wait for him to leave, but he doesn't really do that..
[18:21] <SASDOE> :D
[18:21] <ryuo> I checked the driver source. There's no way to disable the checksum validation checks short of editting the driver source.
[18:21] <SASDOE> not that i would ofc
[18:21] <ioria> SASDOE, there is also this script possibility : https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/eeprom_fix_82574_or_82583/
[18:22] <WaV> As in what's visual to session :0? Let's assume no actual typing was done in the vnc session and just mouse clicks.
[18:22] <tomreyn> WaV: (and since this should allow them to capture any credentials (if that's still needed at this point): take over control, too)
[18:22] <ryuo> SASDOE: probably best to try to reset the EEPROM via the official tools.
[18:22] <TJ-> SASDOE: one other thing I'd try is to jumper CLR_CMOS1 on the mobo (see page 26 of the manual)
[18:23] <ioria> SASDOE, you need ethtool and ifconfig installed (and probably you don't have any)
[18:23] <SASDOE> ok so going back to lspci: http://dpaste.com/1D90MCC
[18:24] <SASDOE> ethtool and ifconfig are present :)
[18:24] <ioria> 0000 ??? come on
[18:24] <ioria> good
[18:25] <SASDOE> why is 0000 significant?
[18:26] <ioria> is the product ID
[18:26] <tomreyn> SASDOE: did you reflash the nic firmware?
[18:26] <SASDOE> no christ is that my next step?
[18:27] <tomreyn> no, i'm just wondering what may have happened. clearnig cmos seems like a good plan to me
[18:27] <WaV> tomreyn: What if the client connecting connects to a VPN before connecting to the VNC server?
[18:27] <SASDOE> ioria: Can't tell if I need to run that script or not as i don't have an interface to run ethtool against
[18:28] <SASDOE> WaV: furthermore at my company we always recommend VPN only access to remote management tools
[18:28] <tomreyn> WaV: if this vpn spans both sides of the connection then only who is on the securely configured and implemented vpn can watch.
[18:28] <phelix> Could anyone help me figure out why only from a specific host whenever I connect to this ssh right after password it jsut sits there and nothing happens? But I tried logging in with same username from another host and its working just fine
[18:29] <SASDOE> for one it increases access complexity. It's not one system you need o break into but two now. Secondly rdp is historically rife with issues
[18:29] <SASDOE> ok clearing cmos thing now
[18:29] <WaV> tomreyn: And if the VNC server is not behind the network that hosts the VPN?
[18:30] <tomreyn> WaV: then you're doing a joe job
[18:30] <TJ-> SASDOE: another thing you can do to gather more detailed info, is add "e100e.debug=16" to the kernel command-line and then capture the resulting dmesg to a pastebin
[18:30] <WaV> What does that mean, lol?
[18:31] <TJ-> SASDOE: oops, "e1000e.debug=16" (typo!)
[18:31] <SASDOE> unbelievably i caught it
[18:31] <kre10> hey guys, can you help me to mount AirPort time capsule on ubuntu 18, please?
[18:31] <SASDOE> anyone remember where the jumper is on a mobo? i've done this once before and i forget how
[18:32] <tomreyn> WaV: what did you mean by "not behind the network that hosts the VPN"? are both VNC client and VNC server part of the same VPN? or not?
[18:32] <WaV> tomreyn: no
[18:33] <SASDOE> oh i read the instructions and understand now
[18:33] <WaV> tomreyn: Assume the client is connected to a VPN session before connecting to the VNC server. The VNC server has nothing to do with the network where the VPN is hosted.
[18:33] <tomreyn> WaV: if only the VNC client is on some VPN but the VNC server is nbot part of the same VPN then it means the connection traverses multiple networks, including some which you probably don't trust, such as the Internet.
[18:33] <WaV> Can an attacker still do a MITM?
[18:34] <tomreyn> possibly, yes. it's, at best, security by obscurity.
[18:35] <tomreyn> you're not really winning anything by putting one side of the connection in a VPN you trust more than the internet
[18:37] <WaV> Ok. The only reason I ask is because I've yet to find an iPhone client app for VNC that allows SSH tunnelling, and while I rarely ever need to VNC into my computer, I wanted to know the risks that are associated with doing so.
[18:37] <tomreyn> but this is rather ##security or ##networking than #ubuntu
[18:38] <WaV> Understand completely. Thanks for the help.
[18:38] <ioria> SASDOE, what happens if you run  'sudo modprobe e1000 eeprom_bad_csum_allow=1' ?
[18:38] <tomreyn> find a VPN solution you can span between iphone and the network the VNC server is in, then enable it on both ends and use the vnc client to connect through it to the vnc server.
[18:40] <plutes> sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_ecn=0
[18:41] <plutes> sysctl: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.tcp_ecn'
[18:41] <plutes> ??
[18:41] <SASDOE> took too long to do the cmos thing bc my fingers are thicc
[18:42] <SASDOE> will try the eeprom thing but
[18:43] <SASDOE> boss just gave me a new server lol so i might just pack it up after that
[18:44] <SASDOE> clearing cmos did nothing to the nics
[18:44] <ioria> SASDOE, what happens if you run  'sudo modprobe e1000 eeprom_bad_csum_allow=1' ?  you need it plugged
[18:46] <SASDOE> nothing
[18:46] <SASDOE> brb
[18:46] <ioria> SASDOE, dmesg | tail
[18:47] <SASDOE> still nothing that shows as e100 related
[18:47] <SASDOE> did that immediately after doing it
[18:48] <SASDOE> literally all apparmor stuff
[18:48] <plutes> sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_ecn=0
[18:48] <plutes> sysctl: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.tcp_ecn' fixed its sudo
[18:50] <ioria> SASDOE,  'sudo modprobe e1000e eeprom_bad_csum_allow=1'
[18:50] <sumagna> hello
[18:50] <ryuo> ioria: is that even a thing? i couldn't find that in the e1000e source.
[18:51] <ioria> ryuo, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_e1000:_EEPROM_Checksum_Is_Not_Valid
[18:51] <ioria> but maybe not
[18:52] <pjs> I'm having some issues with package errors and can't seem to work around it. Any ideas? http://dpaste.com/109N52Y
[18:53] <ryuo> ioria: it's not a module parameter in the upstream source, at all.
[18:54] <ryuo> seems it only exists in e100 driver?
[18:55] <SASDOE> yh i was sudo
[18:55] <SASDOE> alright ill bin this dude i've got a better computer now
[18:56] <SASDOE> thanks for the help lads im still amazed
[18:56] <ryuo> SASDOE: at?
[18:56] <ioria> ryuo, nope, also the good  chili555 suggests it  :  https://askubuntu.com/questions/266885/can-not-find-eth0-when-first-boot-machine-its-ok-when-reboot-the-system-help
[18:57] <SASDOE> Boss saw me struggling and just gave me a new one
[18:57] <SASDOE> oh amazed at you all being here five years since i last came by.
[18:57] <ryuo> ioria: how can you specify a module parameter that doesn't actually exist?
[18:57] <SASDOE> it's very generous
[18:57] <ryuo> it seems it was removed at some point?
[18:58] <ioria> ryuo, that's a good question
[18:58] <pjs> I got it worked out, thx
[19:13] <ioria> SASDOE, why don't we try to load e100 with that parameter ? just for test
[19:15] <shibboleth> booting kernel 5.3 i'm getting somewhat washed out colors on intel graphics
[19:15] <shibboleth> black is a shade of grey, other colors suffer as well
[19:15] <shibboleth> in windows and on nvidia cards this is corrected by adjusting the "output dynamic range"
[19:15] <shibboleth> kernels 4.15 and 5.0 boot without this issue
[19:15] <shibboleth> any suggestions re boot flags?
[19:17] <deepocean1358> Hello
[19:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu version, X version?
[19:18] <deepocean1358> Can I ask for help, during Ubuntu install, on this channel?
[19:18] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: sure, this is a goo dplace for any ubuntu support questions
[19:18] <deepocean1358> Ok thanks
[19:19] <deepocean1358> During install, I keep getting errors that Ubunto was unsuccesful erasing my harddrive.
[19:19] <deepocean1358> I have assigned my entire HD to Ubuntu.
[19:19] <tomreyn> can you show the exact wording of the error message?
[19:20] <tomreyn> also, which ubuntu version are you installing?
[19:21] <deepocean1358> Let me retry it again
[19:21] <deepocean1358> 18.04 LTS
[19:21] <deepocean1358> oh thats weird
[19:21] <deepocean1358> Now it copies everything???
[19:21] <deepocean1358> Weird
[19:21] <deepocean1358> I tried this 5 times
[19:21] <deepocean1358> each time errors
[19:22] <sumagna> is it going all right now?
[19:22] <deepocean1358> I guess so
[19:22] <tomreyn> how much ram does this system have installed, if you know?
[19:22] <deepocean1358> Its says copying files, until now I would get an disc error stating that erasing was unsuccesful,.
[19:22] <deepocean1358> 16GB its my laptop
[19:23] <tomreyn> oh this sounds like a current one then
[19:25] <deepocean1358> I tried to install version 19, but my trackpad was not working :-)
[19:25] <deepocean1358> I hope I am not missing out on a lot with version 18
[19:26] <tomreyn> there's no version 18 or 19
[19:27] <tomreyn> you probably mean 18.04 LTS and one of 19.04 and 19.10
[19:27] <deepocean1358> Sure, 18 is short of 18.04
[19:29] <pizzaiolo> !yy.mm
[19:29] <sarnold> deepocean1358: ubuntu core 18 is very different from ubuntu 18.04 LTS or ubuntu 18.10 https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-core-18-released-for-secure-reliable-iot-devices
[19:30] <sarnold> deepocean1358: ubuntu core 18 is built off of ubuntu 18.04 LTS but is a very different kind of system for different kinds of uses
[19:31] <shibboleth> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108821
[19:31] <shibboleth> any chance this will get merged?
[19:32] <shibboleth> issue on current kernel 5.3
[19:33] <tomreyn> merged to?
[19:33] <tomreyn> (this is a bug report on freedesktop.org, not ubuntu's bug tracker)
[19:33] <shibboleth> it's a kernel issue
[19:34] <shibboleth> which has later been fixed
[19:34] <shibboleth> the fix has not been merged with ubuntus kernel 5.3 however
[19:35] <shibboleth> this answer your question?
[19:36] <tomreyn> well if it's a kernel issue and a patch against the vanilla kernel then it will probably get merged to that at some point
[19:36] <tomreyn> there could probably a backported patch if needed for some ubuntu releases and their kernels
[19:37] <tomreyn> the latter would require a bug report on launchpad
[19:37] <shibboleth> yes, well. 1804 was shipped with broken graphics support for docked lenovo >=haswell
[19:37] <shibboleth> so... maybe run this up the ladder this time
[19:38] <tomreyn> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/8/1122 suggests this may have been merged in vanilla 5.2-rc1
[19:38] <shibboleth> still an issue on ub 5.3
[19:38] <tomreyn> !bug
[19:39] <shibboleth> sure you did not mean #ubuntu-offtopic?
[19:39] <shibboleth> or -kernel?
[19:40] <sarnold> no, the command is ubuntu-bug
[19:40] <shibboleth> thats how it usually goes when you don't have an answer
[19:42] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: any luck with your Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS installation?
[19:42] <deepocean1358> Almost done
[19:43] <tomreyn> nice, so no more errors there
[19:43] <deepocean1358> yeah :-)
[19:45] <deepocean1358> Done
[19:45] <deepocean1358> Works ok.
[19:45] <deepocean1358> It is a bit slow, I guess it still doing something in the background
[19:46] <tomreyn> did you reboot already then?
[19:46] <deepocean1358> Yes
[19:46] <tomreyn> hmm with 16 GB RAM it shouldn't be slow at all, this suggests something is not right.
[19:47] <tomreyn> you can share your system log using    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    if you like
[19:47] <sarnold> how large will that be?
[19:47] <tomreyn> it should fit shortly after a boot
[19:48] <deepocean1358> It is installing updates
[19:48] <deepocean1358> Software Updater is active it seems
[19:48] <tomreyn> and if it's cut off we'll still see the important part - the beginning.
[19:48] <tomreyn> sure, update first, reboot another time
[19:48] <deepocean1358> I chose minimal install, so I guess it will be done soon.
[19:48] <deepocean1358> Ok, will do.
[19:50] <deepocean1358> Nice! MX Anywhere 2 worked immediately ;-)
[19:51] <deepocean1358> wauw now I am impressed
[19:51] <deepocean1358> Even my Samsung 55inch got recognized by BT manager
[19:52] <TJ-> tomreyn: your supposition about the i915 RGB issue was correct: "git describe --contains 37aa52bff2bc --exclude='*cod*'" --> "v5.2-rc1~48^2~39^2~13"
[19:53] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks, i always wondered how to do this.
[19:54] <TJ-> the "--exclude=..." was only needed for me because I have a lot of different sub-system remote repos added to my main Linux repo
[20:03] <deepocean1358> ok done journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:03] <deepocean1358> Where do I find the outpu?
[20:03] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: it should have returned a http address
[20:03] <deepocean1358> 2su7
[20:03] <deepocean1358> termbin.com/2su7
[20:04] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: is it still slow though?
[20:04] <deepocean1358> Yes very
[20:05] <deepocean1358> changing radio channels starting new apps (Thunderbird Firefox etc..)
[20:05] <deepocean1358> all very slow
[20:05] <deepocean1358> and background is spinning in the background it sounds
[20:07] <GoodTimesImmort> hello room
[20:08] <TJ-> deepocean1358: possible hardware/driver issue? "Jan 10 20:57:59 Ectbatana kernel: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bus: MMIO read of 00000000 FAULT at 6013d4 [ IBUS ]"
[20:10] <deepocean1358> Does that mean anything?
[20:10] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: hmm maybe install the proprietary drivers instead.
[20:10] <deepocean1358> Ok what device is it?
[20:10] <tomreyn> nvidia graphics
[20:11] <deepocean1358> Oh I see
[20:11] <TJ-> hmmm, was "Ectbatana" the summer palace of the Perisan kings? Seem to recall Darius retreated there when Alexander the Great was chasing him
[20:11] <deepocean1358> Yes
[20:12] <deepocean1358> you know your history
[20:12] <tomreyn> nouveau (which failed there) is the open source driver, you can install proprietary drivers using software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[20:13] <TJ-> deepocean1358: tomreyn  the "00000000" looks like a null-pointer exception... but it doesn't happen again so not sure if it causing the later delays. I suspect though the multi-GPUs is causing the problem
[20:14] <tomreyn> i suspect embedding nvidia graphics hardware in this otherwise working computer caused the problem. ;)
[20:15] <tomreyn> i wish nouveau could be any better than it is
[20:16] <tomreyn> there's plenty of reports for    "nouveau" "bus: MMIO read of 00000000 FAULT at"
[20:17] <ioria> deepocean1358, you know your nvidia card model ?
[20:17] <deepocean1358> I am installing it now through software and update, its a GTX940
[20:17] <deepocean1358> install is quick and painless
[20:17] <tomreyn> nouveau 0000:01:00.0: NVIDIA GM108 (1180d0a2)    nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bios: version <IP_ADDRESS>.36
[20:20] <TJ-> Looking at the messages after "Jan 10 20:57:31 Ectbatana kernel: MXM: GUID detected in BIOS" suggests this may be due to an ACPI firmware bug
[20:20] <TJ-> Directly related to the "VGA switcheroo: detected Optimus DSM method \_SB_.PCI0.RP01.PEGP handle"
[20:20] <deepocean1358> Battery on this second laptop is almost dead
[20:21] <deepocean1358> ok rebooting now
[20:22] <TJ-> deepocean1358: see if there's an updated firmware from "DMI: Medion P6670 MD99960/E15SGN, BIOS 209 03/26/2018"
[20:22] <deepocean1358> I get the feeling the SSD is slow
[20:23] <TJ-> deepocean1358: one test you could try, is see if one of the GPUs can be disabled in firmware setup ... if that solves it it does point to a problem with the optimus configuration
[20:24] <tomreyn> the latest bios is already installed
[20:24] <tomreyn> secureboot is enabled
[20:26] <deepocean1358> Secureboot is supposed to be enabled, correct?
[20:27] <deepocean1358> @TJ GPU cannot be disabled in BIOS
[20:27] <deepocean1358> there is no such option
[20:28] <ioria> deepocean1358, lspci -k | grep -EA4 'VGA|3D' | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:29] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: unless you see a need for secureboot, i'd disable it at least temporarily to see whether it improves things.
[20:30] <deepocean1358> ok
[20:30] <deepocean1358> Will do that
[20:30] <TJ-> !mainline | deepocean1358: might be worth trying the latest mainline kernel build to see if it's a bug that has been fixed
[20:31] <deepocean1358> termbin.com/kcu5
[20:31] <deepocean1358> ioria see above pls
[20:31] <ioria> yes
[20:32] <ioria> mx
[20:33] <deepocean1358> How fast does your FireFox load, immediately after a reboot.
[20:34] <deepocean1358> On windows10 it is instantenously. On Ubuntu on my machine it takes around 5 seconds
[20:34] <deepocean1358> Is this normal behavior for a cold reboot?
[20:34] <EmmaT> i installed tvheadend and was prompted for users and password ... those users are not working .. so i treid to reinstall .. but no longer prompted ... how can I bring the same installation script that I was prompted with ?
[20:34] <deepocean1358> The next times I start FireFox it loads very quickly. But first time loads are very slow, for all apps
[20:34] <lordcirth> deepocean1358, windows 10 does not do actual cold reboots by default
[20:35] <OerHeks> so windows boots 5 seconds longer..
[20:35] <OerHeks> grinn
[20:36] <ioria> deepocean1358, i don't see any module loaded for your discrete card; can you open nvidia-settings and switch to nvidia ?
[20:36] <deepocean1358> ioria Yes because I just installed it
[20:36] <deepocean1358> Let me checkl
[20:38] <deepocean1358> Yes I am now using the NVIDIA GeForce 940M/PCIe/SSE2
[20:38] <ioria> deepocean1358, lspci -k | grep -EA4 'VGA|3D' | nc termbin.com 9999    again please
[20:39] <deepocean1358> termbin.com/s9av
[20:39] <ioria> ok
[20:43] <deepocean1358> I constantly hear the HD in the background, what is it doing?
[20:44] <ioria> deepocean1358, ps -A | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:44] <deepocean1358> termbin.com/d9bcp
[20:45] <ioria> deepocean1358, it's not doing nothing special afaict
[20:45] <deepocean1358> ok
[20:47] <deepocean1358> Well so far the machine is doing quite nicely, I am impressed.
[20:48] <deepocean1358> I have connected my iPhone, iPad and Samsung TV
[20:48] <deepocean1358> Everything seems to work, so I am actually quite happy.
[20:48] <deepocean1358> Thank you all for the help!
[20:49] <deepocean1358> I also like the FileManager, it looks pretty sharp
[20:50] <zmagii> sup
[20:50] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: so did it get faster with the proprietary nvidia driver installed?
[20:50] <zmagii> do any of you know how to set window groups in ubuntu studio (xfce)
[20:51] <zmagii> e.g. when I start terminal i want four windows to open tiled
[20:51] <deepocean1358> tomreyn, Yes a bit. But first time opening apps are a bit slower than what I am used to. I wonder if it is my machine.
[20:51] <zmagii> i can do this with hotkeys but takes four hotkeys
[20:51] <deepocean1358> tomreyn, when you open FireFox fresh after reboot, how many seconds does it take to open?
[20:53] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: it's normal to take longe ron the first start after boot. ubuntu doesn't run firefox as a background service for fast startup as windows does
[20:53] <deepocean1358> Good to know, then I guess I am fine!
[20:54] <deepocean1358> Tomorrow I can start downloading Python and start learning Python.
[20:55] <deepocean1358> One thing more
[20:55] <tomreyn> have fun then. there's also #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat but have no support questions
[20:55] <deepocean1358> If I have radio in the background, and start updating the system lags
[20:55] <deepocean1358> mouse lags and internet stream lags as well
[20:56] <tomreyn> what kind of radio?
[20:56] <deepocean1358> Rythymbox
[20:56] <deepocean1358> I mean the online radio stations
[20:57] <deepocean1358> No problem if I am just listening and using terminal.
[20:57] <tomreyn> hmm is ubuntu installe don the toshiba hdd or the phison ssd?
[20:57] <deepocean1358> As soon as I start using Software & update to see if there are updates, the radio stream laggs
[20:57] <deepocean1358> oh shoot
[20:57] <deepocean1358> I just remember it is probably on Toshiba!
[20:58] <deepocean1358> damn oit
[20:58] <deepocean1358> damn it
[20:58] <tomreyn> this one is not so fast
[20:58] <deepocean1358> Yeah
[20:58] <deepocean1358> Wasnt thinking
[20:58] <deepocean1358> I saw it was 1TB
[20:58] <deepocean1358> Should have known
[20:58] <deepocean1358> the fast one is only 100GB
[20:59] <tomreyn> 128 GB normal capacity, yes
[21:00] <deepocean1358> I think I have to start over again?
[21:01] <deepocean1358> Ok rebooting install again
[21:04] <zmagii> any ideas on a window manager / preset startup 4 terminal windows?
[21:05] <tomreyn> zmagii: have you tried asking in #ubuntustudio or #xubuntu ? they'll be most experienced with your desktop there
[21:06] <deepocean_> ok installing it again
[21:06] <deepocean_> Copying files goes much faster :-)
[21:07] <bprompt> zmagii:  startup 4 terminal windows?
[21:08] <Bashing-om> zmagii: I run xfce with 4 windows and 6 terminals active.
[21:14] <zmagii> Bashing-om: at startup?
[21:15] <zmagii> tomreyn: thanks, i didn't realise there is #ubuntustudio
[21:15] <Bashing-om> zmagii: Affirmed - all at startup.
[21:16] <zmagii> how do you do that?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> zmagii: Gui setting for how many windows you want, and save your settings in the logout screen (best I recall).
[21:21] <TJ-> "save session" ?
[21:36] <deepocean_> How do I repair my MBR / Grub?
[21:36] <deepocean_> I have accidentally wiped my bootrecord I tink
[21:37] <mouses> deepocean_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:37] <deepocean_> It was on the slow toshiba file, after reinstalling Ubuntu on the faster SSD, I formatted the HD, containing the MBR I guess
[21:37] <deepocean_> thanks
[21:37] <zmagii> Bashing-om: cool, let me try
[21:37] <mouses> deepocean_: no problem, good luck!  I recommend going with the second method from that wiki.
[21:38] <isene> Upgraded from 18.10 through 19.04 to 19.10. I have a Dell XPS15 and used to have 11 hours of battery time on average per day. It's now down to half of that after the upgrade. TLP is running, Powertop is tuned and I have done 'pm-powersave true'. What else can I do to recover a full day of work on my laptop other than downgrading?
[21:42] <tomreyn> deepocean_: efi system partition (ESP) in your case, since you're UEFI booting.
[21:44] <deepocean1358> It seemed to work
[21:45] <deepocean1358> I am back online.
[21:45] <sarnold> Fri 10 21:42:03 < tomreyn> deepocean_: efi system partition (ESP) in your case, since you're UEFI booting.
[21:45] <zmagii> can i ask another question... if i had a windows partition before installing ubuntu, is there a way to start it up? I use a macbook pro and decided to replace macOS with ubuntu
[21:45] <deepocean1358> How do I know where to precisely the system has written the boot files to?
[21:45] <deepocean1358> I mean on the SSD or HDD
[21:45] <zmagii> if i boot into the windows partition now it says something like "no OS found"
[21:46] <zmagii> if it's not possible i could just erase it i guess, but i'm just wondering
[21:46] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: sudo findmnt /boot/efi/
[21:47] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: also    sudo findmnt /boot
[21:47] <Bashing-om> zmagii: Dual booting - EFI system ? and all installs installed as EFI ?
[21:50] <tomreyn> deepocean1358: sda is the hdd, sdb is the ssd, at least that's how it was earlier. confirm using    ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ata-*
[21:55] <deepocean1358> Thank you all, have a nice evening. I am off to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:20] <isene> Bump; Anyone? Upgraded from 18.10 through 19.04 to 19.10. I have a Dell XPS15 and used to have 11 hours of battery time on average per day. It's now down to half of that after the upgrade. TLP is running, Powertop is tuned and I have done 'pm-powersave true'. What else can I do to recover a full day of work on my laptop other than downgrading?
[22:21] <OerHeks> isene, did you try ' run powertop --auto-tune ' again?
[22:22] <OerHeks> oh wait, TLP + powertop ?
[22:22] <OerHeks> TLP is for autoconfiguring power settings, powertop can do this but works better .. use one of these, not both?
[22:22] <isene> No, I did it manually and checked that all tunables are good
[22:23] <isene> I run both - have done a few years
[22:24] <TJ-> isene: does the battery still report it can hold full charge?
[22:24] <OerHeks> doing wrong for years then
[22:25] <isene> TJ-: How do I check that?
[22:25] <isene> OerHeks: So, which should I use, then?
[22:25] <leftyfb> isene: you do know batteries lose their full charge over time right?
[22:26] <TJ-> isene: "grep . /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/*" and look at the diff between _ENERGY_FULL_DESIGN and _ENERGY_FULL
[22:26] <isene> leftyfb: Yes, but not 50% overnight
[22:27] <isene> /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full:6714000
[22:27] <isene> /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full_design:8509000
[22:29] <TJ-> isene: so it's dropped from 8.5 to 6.7 (22%) since new
[22:30] <isene> Yes - but half overnight after upgrading from 18.10 to 19.10
[22:34] <tomreyn> maybe isene is saying that the powered off laptop looses charge faster than it used to, which could suggest it's not entering the lower power saving modes anymore. just guessing.
[22:34] <isene> Could it be that 19.10 activates the NVIDIA graphics card?
[22:34] <OerHeks> powertop thermald, as per https://github.com/TillmannBerg/Ubuntu-Dell-XPS-15-2019
[22:34] <OerHeks> yes, 19.10 comes with nvidia drivers, first iso edition that does so
[22:35] <tomreyn> any release would activate an nvidia card if detected
[22:36] <tomreyn> just like any other hardwarew that's identified and can be supported
[22:36] <isene> I would like to stop my laptop from activating the nvidia card, though (I'm not gaming on this)
[22:36] <isene> OerHeks: Thanks a lot for that link.
[22:46] <tomreyn> isene: you can blacklist the nouveau module and / or bind the nvidia graphics chipset to the vfio-pci module
[22:46] <tomreyn> i haven't tried this myself, but imagine either could work
[23:07] <isene> tomreyn: That went a bit swoosh over my head :-) And how about disabling the card in Bios, perhaps?
[23:08] <tomreyn> isene: certainly the best option if you can.
[23:09] <OerHeks> TLP can do that too ?
[23:10] <OerHeks> there seems to be a gui, in the uprising ppa
[23:10] <OerHeks> tlpui
[23:17] <isene> uprising ppa?
[23:18] <OerHeks> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/09/tlpui-is-graphical-user-interface-for.html
[23:45] <zxd> hi
[23:45] <zxd> should I install nvidia propietary drivers via apt-get or download from nvidia.com
[23:46] <zxd> it's for ubuntu 19.04
[23:47] <sarnold> zxd: there's probably a nice gui thingy to do the work, but ubuntu-drivers devices  or ubuntu-drivers status   may do the right thing
[23:47] <isene> Thanks guys for all the help
[23:51] <OerHeks> sarnold +1, or the driver menu in update settings
[23:52] <Bashing-om> zxd: Even Nvidia advises: "Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package.".
[23:54] <OerHeks> unless you have a reason for newer driver for ancient nvidia 2048 TI
[23:59] <zxd> just installed 19.04  only ubuntu purple background appears
[23:59] <zxd> the installation went fine
[23:59] <zxd> maybe it installed 3rd party drivers during installation and messed it up


[18:08] <hateball> Hello, I am trying to find if/when 23.04 will get a 6.x kernel but I am not having much luck
[18:38] <hateball> As far as I understand I need kernel 6.0+ for Radeon 7900 XTX support. I guess mainline kernel might work but I was just interested in if a newer kernel is coming to the main repository soon
[21:37] <hateball> I guess no one knows :D
[21:47] <PaulW2U> hateball: The people in #ubuntu-kernel will probably know 😄
[21:51] <hateball> PaulW2U: oh, thank you!
[21:51] <hateball> I was not sure where to ask
[21:52] <hateball> Topic only mentions 22.04, we'll see
[21:53] <PaulW2U> I think there may have been a build problem with 6.0 but not sure
[22:15] <hateball> PaulW2U: oh well, thanks for your suggestion but there was no response there either. I will go with mainline for now I guess


[02:35] <Omnifrog> getting smaller >.>
[02:36] <Unit193> ubuntulog keeps killing people.
[02:36] <Omnifrog> I can see how that could be a problem
[02:36] <Unit193> We've banded together to try and defend those remaining, but I'm not sure how long it'll last.
[02:37] <Unit193> It'll end just like Harper's island.
[02:37] <Unit193> Soo howdy, Omnifrog.
[02:37] <Omnifrog> hi hi
[02:37] <Omnifrog> what's shakin'
[02:38] <Unit193> ...Bacon?
[02:38] <Unit193> Can't wait for Winter to finally get here.  You?
[02:38] <Omnifrog> fall colors setting in there?
[02:39] <Omnifrog> the leaves are falling the air is getting fresh crisp in the night.   I can also take my coat off.  Mowing?  Not so much..
[02:42] <Omnifrog> I have one final push to get through the mowing this season
[02:43] <Omnifrog> shouldn't take more than 30 hours
[02:43] <Omnifrog> most of that is on a tractor
[02:44] <Omnifrog> but the leaves
[02:45] <Omnifrog> that is just repetitive blow/mow/ blow/ mow
[02:45] <Omnifrog> the curse of living in the woods
[02:46] <Unit193> Certainly does have advantages though.
[02:46] <Omnifrog> well, Yeah!
[02:46] <Omnifrog> unlimited mowing!
[02:46] <Omnifrog> >_>
[02:46] <Unit193> Tends to be cooler in the summer.
[02:47] <Omnifrog> lately
[02:47] <Omnifrog> but not always
[02:47] <Omnifrog> last years fires were no fun
[02:56] <Omnifrog> so... The Orville. Any fans?
[03:03]  * Unit193
[03:15] <Unit193> Seen it, Omnifrog?
[03:18] <cyberanger> Hey Omnifrog, what's up?
[03:19] <Omnifrog> hi cyberanger
[03:20] <Omnifrog> yes Unit193, I watched the 6th episode tonight
[03:20] <Unit193> Not the best, but not the worst either.
[03:21] <Omnifrog> I thought the first one knocked it out of the park but dang, they went dark fast
[03:21] <Unit193> 'If the Stars Should Appear' was decent.
[03:22] <Omnifrog> yeah. that was a good one
[03:22] <Omnifrog> it's .... different
[03:23] <Omnifrog> but with the same ideas
[03:24] <Omnifrog> it's unmistakably Seth MacFarlane
[03:26] <Unit193> TBH, I really haven't seen much of his stuff.
[03:27] <Omnifrog> Family Guy?
[03:28] <Unit193> As I said, nope.
[03:29] <Omnifrog> yeah, me neither. heh
[03:29] <Omnifrog> I never liked that show
[03:31] <Omnifrog> but meh
[03:31] <Omnifrog> I'm enjoying The Orville
[03:31] <Unit193> I do like this one though.
[03:32] <Omnifrog> havent watched the new Star Trek thing though
[03:32] <Unit193> Neither have I.
[03:32] <Omnifrog> I have the first episode recorded
[03:32] <Omnifrog> I'm just not very excited about it
[03:33] <Omnifrog> everything I've read about it says "no"
[03:33] <Omnifrog> and anyway, fuck CBS. I'm still pissed off about Axanar
[03:34] <Unit193> Never heard of it.
[03:34] <Omnifrog> heard of what?
[03:34] <Omnifrog> CBS?
[03:34] <Unit193> Wait, what to you refer to with 'Axanar'?
[03:35] <Omnifrog> Prelude to Axanar  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
[03:35] <Omnifrog> fan fic
[03:35] <Omnifrog> CBS sued them
[03:36] <Omnifrog> and for that I will never forgive or forget
[03:36] <Omnifrog>  /klingon
[03:38] <Unit193> Wow...
[03:39] <Unit193> Kind of like whoever going after 'Adult Wednesday Addams"..
[04:14] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: I'll never forgive or forget fox with Firefly (and a longer list too)
[04:18] <Omnifrog> yeah but Fox brought us The Orville
[04:18] <Omnifrog> >.>
[04:20] <Unit193> Omnifrog: ...OK, that's good. Now can I see the rest of the series? >_<
[04:21] <Omnifrog> series?
[04:22] <Omnifrog> The Orville?
[04:22] <Omnifrog> it's on Fox
[04:25] <Omnifrog> new episodes air on Thursdays
[04:25] <Omnifrog> lol
[04:26] <Omnifrog> i are a commercial
[04:35] <Unit193> No, I meant of that link.