[18:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:57] <ibeardslee> snail .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound
[18:57] <snail> morning all
[18:58] <ibeardslee> it travels about 4.3 times faster in water (1,484 m/s)
[18:58] <ibeardslee> today's question answered .. does sound travel faster in denser air?
[18:58] <ibeardslee> yes
[18:58] <snail> :)
[18:59] <ibeardslee> https://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/19/134654970/super-moon-to-rise-saturday-night
[18:59] <ibeardslee> and the closer moon
[19:07] <snail> ibeardslee: the SoS is  "nearly independent of pressure or density for a given gas" so those donuts are the spacecraft slowing as they approach
[19:12] <ibeardslee> and snail the other bus conversation .. http://www.nzcs.org.nz/newsletter/article/94#open_source
[19:12] <ibeardslee> well done timClicks
[19:12] <timClicks> thanks ;)
[19:14] <timClicks> I think it's an important message
[19:14] <snail> timClicks: are you still wellington based?
[19:15] <timClicks> yes
[19:17] <snail> sometime i'd like to invite you up here to give a talk about it, but need to work out some of the details here
[19:18] <snail> not that i'm softening the locals up to be more receptive to open source, or anything
[19:18] <timClicks> hah
[19:19] <timClicks> more than happy to present
[19:21] <ajmitch> morning
[19:21] <Atamira> mornin
[20:19] <mwhudson> good morning
[22:21] <ojwb> morning


[05:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2424 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (zesty/dpdk). Proposed pocket (zesty/openvswitch)
[05:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2429 Proposed pocket


[12:01] <T-Bone> elmo: heh. Can't help it. I'm a Queen fan no matter what. And if you've seen Highlander, it's even worse :^)
[12:02] <Nafallo> ogra: the problem is I want to learn from scratch and have an auto-ditch on helper-tools ;-).
[12:02] <Nafallo> ogre: I've already signed some ITPs for my WLAN-driver in debian though :-).
[12:03] <ogra> Nafallo: hmm, setting up a debian directory in a source tree can become a pain i imagine :)
[12:03] <Kamion> mdz: easy, db_fset <question> seen true
[12:03] <Nafallo> ogra: from what I've seen it's not THAT hard :-).
[12:03] <Kamion> mdz: that's exactly what preseed does
[12:03] <mdz> Kamion: ok, thanks
[12:03] <mdz> I was confused by this:
[12:03] <mdz> Jan 13 16:09:11 <joeyh> that wouldn't happen in d-i since we ignore seen flags
[12:04] <Nafallo> ogra: just need time to read through everything ;-).
[12:04] <ogra> Nafallo: thats what i thought....until i uploaded my first _own_ package today....
[12:04] <Nafallo> ogra: congrats! :-D
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: well actually it's not quite what preseed does, it calls debconf-set-selections, but same difference
[12:04] <thom> 2.6.10 seems to do less well under load that previous kernels here, anyone else care to corroborate?
[12:04] <ogra> Nafallo: thanks :)
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: I think joeyh must have been referring to something subtly different, I'm slightly confused by what he meant by that


[00:25] <santa_> sgmoore: for whenever you have time: this change is not in git: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/713561105/kdewebkit_5.115.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu24.04~ppa2_5.115.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu24.04~ppa3.diff.gz
[00:37] <santa_> also, please try on your fw clones:
[00:37] <santa_> do-all check-changes
[00:38] <santa_> (in case there's something else pending)
[02:44] <arraybolt3> I did some testing on the new installer prompt, fixed some bugs, seems to be working mostly great. However, we have some problems with language changing, it seems that KDE has a different method of changing system localization than LXQt had, and I don't know what method it's using.
[02:45] <arraybolt3> I'll probably dig into the source code of one of the KCMs to find out the secret, but anyway, so far the "Try" and "Install" buttons work, the network drop-down is *probably* buggy but seems to sorta work (I'll be digging into that further), and the language dropdown is broken entirely.
[02:45] <arraybolt3> so hey, it's progress!
[09:02] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: check neon to see what they did for localization
[09:02] <sgmoore> santa_: oops sorry, doing a do-all git push now
[09:03] <sgmoore> RikMills: Done
[12:11] <santa_> sgmoore: thanks, from apps this change is missing: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/713393305/marble_4%3A23.08.4-0ubuntu2~ubuntu24.04~ppa1_4%3A23.08.4-0ubuntu2~ubuntu24.04~ppa2.diff.gz
[12:11] <santa_> also there is a ~ppa2 version in the archive: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble
[13:18] <santa_> sgmoore: here https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/breeze-plymouth/commit/?h=kubuntu_noble_staging&id=6db73a9ee37960565d119da844e678f77c4c4782 you are removing .gitattributes disabling the changelog merger
[13:18] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit 6db73a9 in ~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/breeze-plymouth "Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining changes:"
[13:48] <santa_> sgmoore: also, https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kalgebra/log/?h=kubuntu_noble_archive -> 7 commits like "release to archive" or "release to noble" what happened there?
[13:50] <santa_> and same thing with the .gitattributes here: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdeplasma-addons/commit/?id=d7820b7b04663e704bbe2972a2494512c671d627
[13:50] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit d7820b7 in ~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdeplasma-addons "Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining changes: kubuntu_noble_staging"
[13:54] <santa_> also I see kalgebra is not the only git repo with multiple "release to noble" commits: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akregator/+ref/kubuntu_noble_archive
[13:54] <santa_> what's going on?
[16:03] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: looks like Neon doesn't let you change the language on the live system in an easy way :P the closest they have is the language selector on the bootloader screen and choosing a non-English language there (I went with Spanish) doesn't change the language of the live session.
[16:05] <arraybolt3> oh but the keyboard selection somehow took hold, odd
[16:33] <arraybolt3> hey, figured it out! Missing a locale-gen call.
[16:33] <arraybolt3> perfect, that'll almost certainly work.
[18:01] <arraybolt3> Got locale changing working. Keyboard layouts aren't being set properly *yet* but I assume that's going to be an easy fix.
[18:08] <arraybolt3> hey! looks like keyboard-layout-specific LUKS passphrases are also going to work!
[18:08] <arraybolt3> since I just unintentionally installed a VM with a Dutch keymap LUKS passphrase :P or at least I think it was Dutch
[18:24] <arraybolt3> ok, I'm going to abandon keyboard layout. This is a change the user can make themselves in the live session or in Calamares, and it's rather difficult to implement in the installer prompt.
[18:28] <arraybolt3> language changing is working well, but there are way too many language choices to be functional and most of them don't work.
[18:29] <arraybolt3> So what I think I'll do is change this from an autodetected list to a hardcoded one so that only supported languages are shown. The last thing we need is someone to say "hmm, do I need to pick Chinese (Cantonese) or Chinese (China)?" and click the wrong one.
[19:57] <arraybolt3> What team do I need to be a part of to push to repos in the kubuntu-packaging project? I'm hoping to push the new kubuntu-installer-prompt there before uploading it to Launchpad.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> Alternatively if someone is here who can help with this, I'm happy to throw you a tarball so you can push.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ^
[20:11] <rick-timmis> Let me take a look at LP arrabolt3 see if I can work it ou
[20:11] <rick-timmis> t
[20:16] <rick-timmis> Hmmm so looks like you'd need https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[20:16] <rick-timmis> or Kubuntu Ninjas
[20:16] <rick-timmis> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas
[20:17] <rick-timmis> I am not a member of either, so I can't help further. Rik Mills, Scarlett or Simon should be able to help further
[20:18] <arraybolt3> Makes sense. Both of those sound like something I probably shouldn't be added to until I've contributed to Kubuntu a bit more. Is it OK if I just upload the package for now and get the code in Git later?
[20:18] <rick-timmis> I think so
[20:40] <RikMills> arraybolt3: You have more than earned credentials. I am happy to add you
[20:43] <RikMills> done
[20:50] <arraybolt3> thank you, will get it pushed soon
[21:00] <arraybolt3> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-installer-prompt
[21:40] <RikMills> arraybolt3: "will either launch Calamares or LXQt"
[21:41] <arraybolt3> looks like something escaped my cleanup
[21:41] <RikMills> that obviosly needs changing
[21:41] <RikMills> yeah
[21:41] <arraybolt3> it does launch Plasma, and I tried to remove all mentions of Lubuntu and LXQt from the app, but I see I missed one :P
[21:41] <RikMills> it's fine
[21:42]  * arraybolt3 jots down to fix that in the next upload
[21:42] <RikMills> I would even say something to promising to fix a a new upload
[21:42] <RikMills> and not bother with in the NEW review
[21:43] <arraybolt3> good point
[21:44] <RikMills> some many time I have done that. promised to fix something in a follow up upload when a NEW thing gets approved
[21:44] <RikMills> the archive team are usually quite accepting of that
[21:46] <arraybolt3> Got the fix in Git, also noted it down in the changelog, but left it UNRELEASED.
[21:47] <arraybolt3> So that way no one will forget :D
[22:51] <rick-timmis> A little bit more work on the website upgrade: https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/2024-25-strategic-plan/-/issues/14
[22:51] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Issue 14 in teams/distribution-kubuntu/2024-25-strategic-plan "Matrix Documentation for upgrade kubuntu.org" [Opened]