[10:21] <elemental> ????
[10:21] <Parisi> Kaffeine does play my xvid files, just really slow.
[10:21] <daniels> glyph: please /msg me the output of that and 'sudo ddcprobe'
[10:21] <daniels> elemental: please fix your keyboard or such
[10:21] <Parisi> and it was included on apt-get
[10:23] <elemental> ??????????????????????
[10:23] <elemental>  ?? ?????
[10:23] <elemental> ????????????
[10:23] <matt_> ewww.. kaffeine sucks
[10:23] <Parisi> heh
[10:24] <Parisi> Works good on another distro iv used previously.
[10:24] <glyph> daniels: I would if I could get this machine connected to the internet - one step at a time :)
[10:24] <Parisi> Conectiva if im not mistaken.
[10:24] <punkass> bob2: how do i get the trashbin on my desktop?
[10:24] <daniels> gly	heh
[10:24] <punkass> oh hes gone
[10:24] <daniels> elemental: please correct your keybaoard or something, it's becoming quite disruptive
[10:24] <lemental> ugh
[10:25] <lemental> wtf
[10:25] <lemental> is up
[10:25] <lemental> with gnome 2.8
[10:25] <lemental> or x
[10:25] <lemental> or whatever
[10:25] <wobin> printer testpage says 'ximian desktop'
[10:25] <lemental> my codepages/locale are changing on their own
[10:25] <punkass> daniels do you know how to get the trashbin back on the desktop
[10:25] <lemental> wobin: they contribute code to gnome
[10:25] <daniels> punkass: not sure, sorry
[10:25] <Mithrandir> wobin: we know about it, it might be fixed for final.
[10:25] <punkass> ok
[10:25] <lemental> please help me someone
[10:25] <crabbox> has anyone got integrated wifi chip to work after installation ? I got dell inspiron 4150 and wifi is not working ...
[10:25] <lemental> my keyboard input is changing to asian stuff
[10:25] <lemental> randomly
[10:26] <wobin> lemental: i know, just mentioning it :)
[10:26] <lemental> how do I shut it off
[10:26] <punkass> i got it working with a dell D600
[10:26] <lemental> PLEASE help
[10:26] <elemental> ???
[10:26] <elemental> ???
[10:26] <Parisi> ugh!
[10:26] <crabbox> punkass: what chip do you have ?
[10:26] <Parisi> This is non sense.
[10:26] <punkass> umm broadcom
[10:26] <lemental> Parisi: its not my fault .. theres a bug
[10:26] <Parisi> brb, i have to reboot.
[10:26] <glyph> daniels: there's a lot of output to copy and paste, but I can tell you it looks sane - it gives me the right list of modes with xresprobe, and the right list of ranges / modes / identifiers with ddcprobe
[10:27] <daniels> lemental: if you file a bug in our bugzilla (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com), we can probably work it out, but debugging it over irc is difficult, and i don't think there's anyone here with the requisite knowledge
[10:27] <lemental> daniels
[10:27] <lemental> wtff
[10:27] <daniels> glyph: hm. what resolutions does xresprobe spit out? looks like a bug in the xfree86<->xresprobe interaction
[10:27] <lemental> Im suppose to just use X ?
[10:27] <lemental> err
[10:27] <lemental> console
[10:27] <lemental> no way
[10:27] <thom> punkass: Applications/System Tools/Configuration Editor; go to apps/nautilus/desktop and flick trash_icon_visible to true
[10:27] <lemental> only reason I installed this crap is for gnome 2.8
[10:27] <punkass> crabbox: broadcom: BCM94306
[10:27] <daniels> glyph: if you could please /msg me a list of the resolutions you get, that would be great, thanks
[10:27] <lemental> it just changes to asian text on the fly
[10:27] <lemental> b. s !
[10:27] <punkass> thom: thanks
[10:27] <glyph> daniels: okay, urm
[10:27] <crabbox> cardctl ident will show it but the gnome network admin does not see it
[10:27] <lemental> pango == internationalization ?
[10:28] <glyph> I must not have my ethernet driver loaded
[10:28] <subterrific> is there any chance alsa drivers will be upgraded soon?
[10:28] <lemental> nobody here has a clue ?
[10:29] <thom> lemental: seriously, you've not given us enough information - gnome really doesn't just change locales on the fly for fun
[10:29] <subterrific> apparently ubuntu ships alsa 1.0.4 and version 1.0.5 has support for my card :(
[10:30] <thom> lemental: did it used to work correctly? did you change anything and then it started changing to asian?
[10:31] <mdz> subterrific: which kernel release includes alsa 1.0.5?
[10:31] <matt_> well, I'm trying to watch a dvd now with gxine.. installed libdvdnav4 as well.. but keep getting the error "can't read NAV packet"
[10:31] <matt_> any ideas?
[10:33] <lemental> thom: I didnt change anything
[10:33] <lemental> thom: its possessed
[10:34] <lemental> thom: I even tried loading gnome as different users .. and in 'failsafe gnome' mode , which loads DEFAULT gnome
[10:34] <lemental> thom: its a system issue , a bug .. and it came from nowhere , like a virus .. its driving me nuts
[10:35] <subterrific> mdz: it looks like 2.6.7 included ALSA 1.0.5 patches
[10:35] <subterrific> mdz: and alsa 1.0.6a is the latest stable: http://lwn.net/Articles/98208/
[10:35] <mdz> subterrific: ubuntu has <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:35] <lemental> thom: I'll issue bug reports , when/if I can even load firefox .... grrr
[10:35] <subterrific> mdz: http://lwn.net/Articles/87390/
[10:36] <crabbox> same goes to my soundcard... not working even it is intel8x0
[10:36] <lemental> Im about to uninstall this shit
[10:36] <thom> lemental: what does Computer/Desktop Preferences/Keyboard/Layout say you have?
[10:36] <lemental> I just installed blackbox , and it doesnt show up as a choice under gdm ....
[10:37] <subterrific> mdz: well i guess Linus didn't actually put the patches in Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 is what /proc/asound/version says
[10:37] <thom> crabbox: fire up a terminal, run alsamixer, see if your sound card is detected and unmuted?
[10:37] <punkass> crabbox
[10:38] <punkass> you might have the same problem as me
[10:38] <crabbox> no go with alsamixer
[10:38] <crabbox> no such device
[10:38] <punkass> it took me most of the day to figure out
[10:38] <punkass> wanna know what it is?
[10:38] <crabbox> please impress me :-)
[10:38] <punkass> lol
[10:38] <punkass> its a irc confict
[10:38] <punkass> conflict*
[10:39] <crabbox> what the f*ck ?
[10:39] <punkass> go into the dell bios and turn off your lpt port
[10:39] <punkass> and all should be well
[10:39] <subterrific> crabbox: my other machine with intel8x0 works, but it doesn't do hardware or software mixing...whenever two things play a sound the second one gets queued up until the first sound finished :(
[10:39] <crabbox> just a moment ...
[10:39] <punkass> it gave me my sound and wireless back
[10:40] <crabbox> if this works I do hope that it will be fixed during some update for the ubuntu...
[10:40] <punkass> subterrific: can u add a .asoundrc file to get software mixing
[10:40] <thom> there's a bug open about it already
[10:40] <crabbox> that is good
[10:41] <punkass> i just use one from the dmix site and it works good
[10:41] <thom> crabbox/punkass: Ubuntu #1254
[10:43] <damien_> what is the package name for the kernel source ?
[10:44] <thom> damien_: apt-cache search linux-source
[10:44] <punkass> thom..thanks..i just disabled it in the bios..since i know no parrallel printer is going to be attached to this machine
[10:44] <punkass> i guess i could have just takin lp out of /etc/modules too
[10:44] <matt_> arg can anyone play dvds?
[10:44] <thom> sure. it'd be nice to fix it properly tho :-)
[10:44] <punkass> yeah
[10:45] <crabbox> cheers mates ! now it works !
[10:45] <damien_> thom: cheers.. I'm new to debian :)
[10:45] <punkass> crabbox: good to hear
[10:45] <MacPlusG3> matt_: there are many legal issues with that - the guys are looking into it
[10:46] <alakdan> bob2: thanks a lot for the help, I can now access the internet via wifi :)
[10:47] <crabbox> I am a long time linux user but still those things just make me mad... hardware faults and software problems... got no time to debug
[10:47] <az[a] zel> its the same on OS X... ive been trying to get a DWL-122 USB wireless key working, but the Mac drivers are horrendous
[10:48] <az[a] zel> interestingly, the device works perfectly under linux
[10:48] <az[a] zel> but I don't really have enough hard drive on my ibook to install linux... maybe if I could get a live CD
[10:48] <setakht> prism drivers > *
[10:48] <punkass> matt_: yes i can
[10:49] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: once you get used to linux on ibook, you won't go back to OS X :)
[10:49] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: I dunno.. I'm pretty impressed with OS X :) I run linux on my desktop anyway
[10:49] <az[a] zel> well I'm running ubuntu for AMD64 at the moment
[10:50] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: yeah.. it's a not bad proprietry unix.
[10:50] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: but things like evo really make the switch worthwhile
[10:50] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: that and the fact it doesn't cost you $200 every year for an OS upgrade
[10:51] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah evolution is a nice mail client, for sure...
[10:51] <crabbox> see ya later
[10:51] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: and multisync will sync contacts and calender between machines.
[10:51] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: it's also faster (linux)
[10:51] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah I'm a bit worried about the $200 upgrades, as a lot of people don't like supporting older versions of OS X.. I see a lot of places that say "works only on 10.3".. soo
[10:51] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: yeap
[10:52] <Qton> When I try to install Ubuntu it gets stuck in "Scanning CD-Rom" just after the boot screen. Any idea why?
[10:52] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: same with 10.0->10.1 and 10.1->10.2
[10:52] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: the only real reason for me to run OS X, is so my g/f can run Office.. and also, the glitzy openGL stuff tends to impress people :)
[10:52] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: and sleeping works, and Airport Express works, etc..
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: i keep giving OO.org to ppl and they're real happy.
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: those two are a bit of a problem
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: i solved it with a pcmcia wifi card
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: but on the ibook you have to go usb
[10:53] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: I've tried getting people to use OO.o.. but the problem is, my university wont support it, and exporting to .doc has problems
[10:54] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: that's something that needs to change (the uni)
[10:54] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: you can also run OSX from within linux with Mac-On-Linux
[10:55] <punkass> hmm with this dell D600 if i close the lit and open it again..all i have left is flashing cursor
[10:55] <elemental> at full speed ?
[10:55] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah I know, that's cool... it'd be nice to have a compatibility layer so you can run individual OS X apps on Linux.. like how FreeBSD has Linux binary compatibility
[10:55] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: NetBSD has a project for OS X binary compatibility
[10:55] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: the big problem there would be the graphics layer... it's not X.
[10:56] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah, true... would need a layer to translate drawing calls to the X11 interface
[10:57] <elemental> I prefer just having open source apps and the code to look at
[10:57] <elemental> instead of emulating or running ports
[10:57] <Loduriel> insn't it the purpose of GNUstep to have compatibility with OSX?
[10:58] <Loduriel> *one* purpose
[10:58] <elemental> ???
[10:59] <az[a] zel> they're not implementing cocoa AFAIK, or quartz even..
[10:59] <subterrific> Loduriel: don't think that has even been a GNUStep goal
[10:59] <Loduriel> at least GNUstep apps are working in OSX with the same code
[10:59] <subterrific> GNUStep's goal is to implement a free version of the OpenStep spec. GNUStep has been around a lot longer than OS X
[11:00] <az[a] zel> that's the whole underyling /Application /System/Libary/Frameworks sort of thing eh?
[11:00] <az[a] zel> and the .app directories ?
[11:00] <subterrific> no
[11:01] <az[a] zel> ok, I don't know what OpenStep/NextStep is then :)
[11:01] <subterrific> OpenStep is a framework for building applications in Objective-C
[11:01] <subterrific> an API
[11:01] <subterrific> very similar to Java or .NET
[11:01] <MacPlusG3> but compiled natively - so faster
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> but lots of dynamic features in the language
[11:02] <Loduriel> so... since OSX use this API, GNUstep apps can run in OSX, right?
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> and you can build an Obj-C gui part to a C/C++ app
[11:02] <subterrific> Loduriel: right, Cocoa is based on OpenStep
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> Loduriel: well... at least with minimal modification
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> Loduriel: or using the gnustep libs
[11:03] <Loduriel> ok but the contrary is wrong
[11:03] <MacPlusG3> Loduriel: just trickier :)
[11:03] <Loduriel> MacPlusG3, subterrific: ok
[11:03] <subterrific> GNUStep is to Cocoa as Mono is to .NET
[11:03] <subterrific> very rough way of thinking about it
[11:03] <elemental> anyone have their xchat/gnome-term/firefox/gaim all go nuts and switch to asian fonts
[11:03] <subterrific> if that helps
[11:04] <elemental> any idea on how to install all fonts besides english ?
[11:04] <elemental> install/uninstall
[11:04] <subterrific> elemental: someone else just mentioned that problem
[11:04] <elemental> it was me
[11:04] <subterrific> oh
[11:04] <elemental> lemental/elemental
[11:05] <elemental> lemental == console bitchx
[11:05] <Loduriel> subterrific, i understand better now, thx
[11:05] <elemental> but for some reason xchat isnt acting up
[11:05] <elemental> ???????????
[11:05] <elemental> ??
[11:05] <az[a] zel> wtf, apt-get says it installed gcc, but it didn't.. and when I try again, it says it's already installed
[11:06] <az[a] zel> it couldn't read the cd because the cdrom wasn't mounted
[11:06] <az[a] zel> or maybe I can't find where gcc is
[11:06] <az[a] zel> oh it is installed.. there just isn't a gcc link
[11:07] <az[a] zel> should I manually add a gcc symlink in /usr/bin or is there some more elegant "debian like" way of setting up the default gcc compiler?
[11:08] <elemental> ugh
[11:09] <az[a] zel> if you want to build stuff, should you install dpkg-dev ?
[11:09] <az[a] zel> I just installed gcc-3.3, is that enough?
[11:10] <elemental> you need to install autoconf/make/gcc/etc
[11:12] <elemental> what are you trying to build
[11:12] <|Gaaruto|> can i use debian package with my ubuntu ?
[11:12] <elemental> sorry .. xchat is on crack , keeps switching fonts to asian
[11:12] <az[a] zel> hmmm, trying to get NVIDIA drivers to install.. not working
[11:12] <elemental> |Gaaruto|, its called 'universe'
[11:13] <elemental> az[z] zel: this dist is really starting to get on my nerves honestly ..
[11:13] <elemental> ???????????
[11:13] <elemental> ??
[11:13] <elemental> ????
[11:13] <elemental>  ??
[11:14] <cef> az[a] zel: are you installing the restricted packages or are you trying to install the binaries off the nvidia site?
[11:15] <az[a] zel> cef: binaries off the nvidia site
[11:15] <az[a] zel> am I supposed to just install packages? :)
[11:15] <cef> ahh.. there are precompiled binaries for nvidia in package form
[11:15] <az[a] zel> oh ok!!
[11:16] <cef> think it's the 'linux-restricted' package.. can't remember off the top of my head
[11:16] <az[a] zel> gettng em now
[11:16] <az[a] zel> nvidia-kernel-common
[11:16] <cef> still then need to reconfigure X manually
[11:16] <az[a] zel> wish I had've known that in the first place
[11:16] <az[a] zel> yeah that's easy
[11:16] <cef> heh
[11:16] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules...
[11:16] <jdub> choose the one for your kernel
[11:16] <jdub> and nvidia-glx
[11:17] <az[a] zel> hmm, i'm downloading nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings, is this bad?
[11:17] <Qton> Im having trouble installing Ubuntu. It gets stuck after the initial boot screen while trying to scan the CD-Rom. Probably checking for file integrity? Does anyone have an idea whats wrong with it?
[11:17] <cef> I really should actually install the nvidia drivers instead of just using the nv driver
[11:18] <Elix> I saw on the Ubuntu wiki (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fusplash) some discussion about including a cool graphical bootloader and startup (a la bootsplash). Does anyone know if I should expect this soon, or if I should just go about configuring it myself?
[11:18] <jdub> Elix: it'll turn up in the development branch soon after it opens
[11:19] <Elix> jdub: Great, thanks!
[11:22] <az[a] zel> hmm, I installed nvidia-kernel-common, but there's no nvidia kernel module installed
[11:23] <cef> az[a] zel:
[11:24] <cef> az[a] zel: look at the 'linux-restricted-modules' package that matches your kernel
[11:24] <jdub> az[a] zel: it's linux-restricted-modules
[11:24] <jdub> az[a] zel: apt-cache search for that, and choose the one that suits your kernel
[11:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hey all
[11:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> can someone tell me where to file a bug report ?
[11:25] <Tritoch|L> isnt the module already in the kernel, try to load it with modprobe nvidia
[11:25] <cef> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: look at the bugzilla line in the topic
[11:26] <cef> jdub: we need an infobot, damnit!
[11:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> indeed
[11:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[11:26] <az[a] zel> jdub: cant find that package
[11:26] <az[a] zel> jdub: is the source for that setup by default?
[11:27] <jdub> az[a] zel: type,
[11:27] <az[a] zel> restricted sources are definitely in my apt-get source list
[11:27] <jdub> apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules
[11:27] <jdub> that will list the pacakges available
[11:27] <az[a] zel> jdub: that returns nothing
[11:28] <jdub> apt-get update and try again?
[11:28] <az[a] zel> just did that
[11:28] <jdub> cef: i think we do, yeah
[11:28] <az[a] zel> seriously, in my sources, there is no linux-restricted-modules
[11:29] <jdub> $ apt-cache search linux-restricted
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 - Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on 386
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-686 - Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-686-smp - Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-k7 - Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on AMD K7linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-k7-smp - Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on AMD K7 SMP
[11:29] <jdub>
[11:30] <Tritoch|L> az[a] zel, have you tried modprobe nvidia, that was all i had to to after installing the nvidia files
[11:30] <az[a] zel> jdub: am I supposed to enable the "universe" source in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:30] <az[a] zel> Tritoch|L: nah there is no nvidia module
[11:30] <jdub> no, just restricted
[11:30] <Tritoch|L> well that and add it in the /etc/modules file
[11:30] <az[a] zel> well it's there, and I'm not seeing those modules
[11:30] <jdub> that is very bong
[11:31] <Elix> While I'm here, I'm trying to get my Palm Zire 21 to work with gnome-pilot via USB, but I'm having a tough time figuring out which device ("Port") to tell it to use (or to symlink /dev/pilot to). I'm not a complete newb, but I am fairly new at configuring Linux...
[11:32] <azeem> Elix: it's ususally /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1
[11:32] <jdub> Elix: /dev/ttyUSB0 most likely
[11:32] <Mitario> hello everyone
[11:32] <azeem> Elix: best to check /var/log/syslog or something and see what device gets detected
[11:32] <Elix> jdub: Hrmmm... I don't have either of those devices, unfortunately.
[11:32] <jdub> Mitario! DUDE!
[11:32] <az[a] zel> jdub: is it because I'm running AMD64 ?
[11:32] <azeem> Elix: they get created on demand
[11:32] <jdub> Mitario: we've been trying to get in touch with you
[11:32] <Elix> azeem: Ah, cool. Thanks, I'll try that.
[11:32] <az[a] zel> jdub: nobody has compiled an nvidia module for the AMD64 kernel?
[11:33] <Mitario> jdub, haha, yeah i know :)
[11:33] <jdub> Mitario: we've got trashapplet patches, and we're using it by default! :)
[11:33] <jdub> az[a] zel: hrm, might not be uploaded yet
[11:33] <Mitario> jdub, yeah i saw, that's really great! thanks :)
[11:33] <will``> wwot
[11:33] <jdub> Mitario: nice to see you here :)
[11:33] <Mitario> jdub, thanks :)
[11:33] <will``> i got ubuuntu to work finally
[11:34] <Mitario> jdub, pathces will go upstream as soon as trashapplet is in gnome cvs and is in bugzilla
[11:34] <jdub> Mitario: awesome
[11:34] <jdub> Mitario: should be able to get it into 2.10, too :-)
[11:34] <Mitario> jdub, jep :)
[11:34] <az[a] zel> Mitario: any ETA on getting the nvidia kernel module for AMD64 into the repository?
[11:34] <Mitario> jdub, i've already talked to davyd about that, so everthing is settled
[11:34] <jdub> awesome
[11:35] <Mitario> az[a] zel, i'm sorry i wouldn't know :)
[11:36] <az[a] zel> oh well, I'll just use the nv driver for the time being
[11:36] <elemental> az
[11:36] <elemental> you get it to compile ?
[11:37] <jdub> az[a] zel: not sure, but i know fabio, mdz and daniels were looking at it
[11:37] <az[a] zel> elemental: nah, I was hoping to install the package, but it doesn't appear to be available for AMD64 yet
[11:37] <elemental> jdub: any idea why gtk2/gnome stuff is changing fonts of asian stuff , and how I?? ?????
[11:37] <elemental> ??????
[11:37] <elemental> ???
[11:37] <elemental> ?? ??
[11:37] <jdub> no
[11:37] <elemental> ??
[11:37] <elemental>  ? ????????
[11:38] <subterrific> i think his font changed ;)
[11:38] <jdub> heh
[11:38] <jdub> hrm :)
[11:38] <azeem> that's bash.org material I guess :)
[11:38] <subterrific> totally
[11:40] <elemental> ugh
[11:40] <cef> elemental: bad timing
[11:40] <elemental> lame++
[11:40] <elemental> have to use ksirc
[11:40] <elemental> gnome/gtk2 are screwed up
[11:40] <elemental> bad timing ? why
 jdub: any idea why gtk2/gnome stuff is changing fonts of asian stuff , and how I?? ?????
[11:40] <Mitario> jdub, ok, davyd agreed to put it in :)
[11:40] <Mitario> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152928
[11:40] <elemental> cef: those question marks are asian crap
[11:41] <elemental> gnome/gtk2 apps are screwed up ++
[11:41] <martink> "Ubuntu includes the very best in translations"? hah, your web browser doesn't even speak my language ;-)
[11:41] <cef> elemental: yes, that's why i said 'bad timing'
[11:41] <jdub> martink: ;)
[11:41] <elemental> cef: why , he answer the problem ?
[11:41] <cef> elemental: the problem..
[11:41] <jdub> Mitario: hrm
[11:41] <elemental> I want to remove all fucking languages beyond english , before my head explodes
[11:41] <jdub> Mitario: i wonder if it wouldn't be better in nautilus itself?
[11:42] <elemental> it changes fonts to asian , after a few minutes of working normally (gnome/xchat/ anythin gtk2 , gaim , firefox , whatever)
[11:42] <elemental> it worked fine for a few days
[11:42] <elemental> then this  starts
[11:42] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> no nvidia-glx package in the repository yet either
[11:42] <elemental> kde is ok , beyond being UGLY++
[11:42] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I think KDE looks good
[11:43] <elemental> its ugly trust me
[11:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I think gnome is getting better.. but I've always found it to be pretty ugly.. it's very drab (browns and stuff everywhere)
[11:43] <Mitario> jdub, hmm, maybe so... but it's just an applet, and i don't know if the nautilus maintainers are prepared to put it in nautilus
[11:43] <elemental> the icons and themes are not even comparable to kde , kde is geeky++
[11:43] <Mitario> jdub, i could start a discussion on one of the lists tho
[11:43] <cef> az[a] zel_ubuntu: too 'quakey' eh?
[11:44] <Mitario> jdub, but i think i want to put it in gnome-applets for now, just for the time beeing
[11:44] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I like bright colours.. like the OS X icons
[11:44] <subterrific> az[a] zel_ubuntu: with gnome you have tons of themes to pick from. bluecurve isn't brown at all for example
[11:44] <jdub> Mitario: i just commented on the bug
[11:44] <elemental> az[a] zel_ubuntu: all the kde logos are fugly =]
[11:44] <subterrific> with kde you're pretty much stuck with plastik...
[11:45] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: seen the Human icon theme in ubuntu?
[11:45] <elemental> subterrific: nothing in gnome is brown , hes on something =]  hehe
[11:45] <Mitario> jdub, ok, yea i just saw, hmm, maybe wait for davyd's reaction..
[11:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, not yet
[11:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, oh I'm running it now
[11:45] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: tiny sample of what's to come
[11:45] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: you're running the Human theme, but not the Human icon theme
[11:45] <elemental> jdub: speaking of ubuntu issues , you know why I cant load gnome/any gtk2 app , because after a few minutes it gets possessed and changes to asian fonts on keyboard input (not output)
[11:45] <pitti> Morning
[11:46] <jdub> elemental: no, i don't know
[11:46] <jdub> elemental: what applets are on your panel?
[11:46] <jdub> hey pitti
[11:46] <elemental> jdub: I really dont know how to file the bug report ..I dont know whats causing the problem
[11:46] <elemental> jdub: nothing but default stuff
[11:46] <elemental> jdub: im in KDE cause I cant even use gnome anymore .. its possessed
[11:47] <elemental> after a few minutes in xchat , gaim , firefox , whatever .. when I type it goes to chinese/or something
[11:47] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ok I just switched to the human icon theme.. hmm.. doesn't do it for me yet.. I don't like the folder icons.. bright yellow, yikes
[11:47] <subterrific> elemental: when you go to Keyboard Preferences, does the Selected layout change?
[11:47] <elemental> jdub: Ive been running linux 10+ years , code c/c++/perl , no idea wtf is going on
[11:47] <elemental> subterrific: everything says english
[11:47] <elemental> I double checked every tool ...
[11:47] <elemental> everything is normal
[11:48] <elemental> I loaded 'failsafe gnome'
[11:48] <elemental> still does the asian fonts after awhile of being normal
[11:48] <elemental> failsafe gnome is default gnome .. no setup scripts .. etc
[11:48] <elemental> so , that should always work normally
[11:48] <elemental> yet
[11:48] <elemental> it doesnt
[11:49] <subterrific> its only gtk apps?
[11:49] <Ass_on_Fire> Can anybody help me find the nvidia-glx package? I don't know where to find it.
[11:49] <elemental> yeah
[11:49] <elemental> kde works fine
[11:49] <elemental> console works fine
[11:49] <elemental> only gtk2 apps acutally
[11:49] <Ass_on_Fire> Can i use the nvidia-glx package form debian.org ??
[11:49] <elemental> gtk1.2 stuff works fine
[11:49] <jdub> Ass_on_Fire: nvidia-glx is in restricted
[11:50] <elemental> and kde on ubuntu , pops up errors every 10 seconds .. hehe
[11:50] <elemental> so and so crashed
[11:50] <elemental> etc
[11:50] <Ass_on_Fire> in restricted ??
[11:50] <elemental> "unknown - The KDE  Crash Handler"
[11:50] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> does powervr.src.rpm works fine on ubuntu ?
[11:50] <subterrific> wtf
[11:51] <Elix> Still not having luck with Pilot. I have 6 USB ports and I'm using a USB mouse. Are the ttyUSB# ports assigned in order, whenever they're requested, or does each specific port get the same number? According to lsusb, my mouse is on Bus 002 Device 003, and my palm is on Bus 001, Device 007. Should it still be using ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1?  I can build it from source
[11:52] <jdub> elemental: haven't seen this anywhere else
[11:52] <jdub> no one else has reported it
[11:52] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> one thing
[11:52] <elemental> jdub: its VERY strange
[11:53] <Elix> (Well I for one have been very much enjoying Ubuntu, and have been recommending it to friends. A few crashes, sure, but it sure is slick, easy, and powerful!)
[11:53] <elemental> jdub: I did use universe ,and install a TON of stuff
[11:53] <jdub> elemental: uh huh...
[11:53] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> why does ubuntu says i don't have the permissions to access /mnt/win (mounted windows partition)
[11:53] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ?
[11:53] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: most likely because it's mounted for a different user
[11:54] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: have a look at the permissions on the files in the mounted partition
[11:54] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hm hmm
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> and can i change the permission for the whole folder ?
[11:55] <jdub> you'd have to mount it differently
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok w8
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> chown
[11:55] <jdub> no, no
[11:55] <jdub> doesn't work like that for non-*nix disks
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no?
[11:55] <jdub> you actually have to put the user it should be owned by in fstab
[11:56] <jdub> or make it mountable by users
[11:56] <jdub> and then mount it yourself
[11:56] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok at fstab i know how to
[11:56] <elemental> jdub: whos the lead developer
[11:56] <skel_> hello
[11:56] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but wont it be mounted auto at boot ?
[11:58] <jdub> elemental: mdz's the distro group lead
[11:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is there any DVD burning software?
[11:58] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> btw how can i make it mountable by normal users ready to be read/writen
[11:58] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: nautilus-cd-burner works with dvds
[11:58] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: add 'user' to the fstab line
[11:58] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: then your user can mount it
[11:59] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: and all the permissions will be right
[11:59] <jdub> (from memory)
[11:59] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm ok
[11:59] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, isn't growisofs needed for burning DVD's ?
[11:59] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: we have dvd+rw-tools
[11:59] <subterrific> az[a] zel_ubuntu: nautilus-cd-burner is a front end for growisofs
[12:00] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, oh ok
[12:00] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: which includes growisofs
[12:00] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> supported out of the box then :)
[12:00] <azeem> what's wrong with the list archives of -users? Threads seem to be messed up all over the place
[12:00] <jdub> yes :)
[12:00] <jdub> azeem: oh?
[12:01] <azeem> or are people really just replying to further posts?
[12:01] <werewolf> Hi all, I just installed a restricted version of gnome in ubuntu, but I have thi error: "Enable to acquire monitor of the Trash dir"
[12:01] <azeem> with a new subject
[12:01] <elemental> mdz is skilled++ , he works on myth too
[12:01] <cef> azeem: welcome to the internet..
[12:01] <jdub> azeem: oh, right, pipermail only does threads to a certain level
[12:01] <jdub> azeem: and some posters have been breaking threads
[12:02] <azeem> eugenia.
[12:02] <jdub> :)
[12:02] <azeem> yeah, looking at it again, it does not look so bad as I remembered from last night
[12:03] <Elix> Sigh... I'm getting confused. Each time I press the sync button on my Palm, the Device number listed by lsusb gets incremented by one... Does that device number have anything to do with the device name in /dev? I've created ttyUSB2 through 10 (using "mknod /dev/ttyUSB10 c 188 3", "chown root:dialout /dev/ttyUSB*"), though they don't magically disappear like ttyUSB0 and 1...
[12:04] <azeem> jdub: don't use daniels as your background singer. He'll probably "back your punchlines" and shout every second word you say again to give it more weigth
[12:04] <ajmitch> heh
[12:05] <jdub> azeem: man, daniels brings on the bling-bling
[12:05] <daniels> (represent)
[12:05] <elemental> how hard is it to make a standardized package system , self extracting to PATH , static binaries
[12:05] <azeem> Elix: yeah I noticed this, too, at the time it was not working correclty
[12:06] <elemental> would just work
[12:06] <elemental> :P
[12:06] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> are there 32bit libraries for GTK 2.0 in the repository ?
[12:06] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> (amd64 repository)
[12:07] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> can't install, e.g. realplayer without 32bit compatibility
[12:07] <Elix> azeem: So... there's a problem in the Preview Release?  I'm too indie for bling.
[12:09] <daniels> ahr
[12:09] <Ass_on_Fire> Can someone give me an _exact_ location for nvidia-glx?
[12:09] <|Q|> howdy
[12:09] <daniels> i should get a massive multi-finger gold ring that says 'ubuntu'
[12:10] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".
[12:10] <cef> daniels: you're home I take it? I've still got some bling for you to take over when you visit fabbione, remember?
[12:10] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> damn!!
[12:10] <daniels> cef: bling! ;)
[12:10] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> is there a "rehash" like in bsd ?
[12:10] <daniels> cef: i'm home, but just about to run out for the night, sadly
[12:10] <cef> daniels: ahh fair enuff
[12:10] <cef> daniels: then tomorrow sometime
[12:10] <daniels> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: yeah, it's called 'rehash'
[12:10] <daniels> cef: sounds good, cheers :)
[12:11] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, bash doesnt need to bo rehashed
[12:11] <Elix> azeem: Ah, I see. That makes sense. So if I just pre-emptively predict what the next number is, do you figure that would work (once I've created ttyUSBn up to n <= 255)? I've never dealt with USB devices before...
[12:11] <azeem> no, it should just work for ony device
[12:11] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> scaroo, it's for fstab
[12:11] <azeem> eh, one
[12:11] <scaroo> oh sorry
[12:11] <tuo2> daniels: There's a marketing idea if I've ever heard one.
[12:11] <Elix> azeem: so, it should be working using ttyUSB0 or 1?
[12:12] <tuo2> ubuntu: word to all of your mothers.
[12:12] <cef> hrm, wodner if there is a way to tell udev to assume it's always the same device
[12:12] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> daniels, lol
[12:12] <khalek> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: rehash is a csh thing
[12:12] <cef> wonder even. my finders are too fast for each other
[12:12] <cef> argh! fingers.. they're drunk too methinks
[12:13] <cef> hrm, I have port, and I've had a very very long week.. hrmmmm
[12:13] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm yes
[12:13] <Ass_on_Fire> Nobody else needs to install nvidia drivers i see? :(
[12:13] <jdub> Ass_on_Fire: it's in restricted
[12:13] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but appending things to fstab
[12:13] <jdub> if you have that in your sources.list
[12:13] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire, i've installed them
[12:13] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> doesn't need a rehash to the sys ?
[12:14] <khalek> cef: and a sore head tomorrow morning :)
[12:14] <Ass_on_Fire> Yes. But were do i find this "restricted" dir/address
[12:14] <scaroo> seth : mount -a ?
[12:14] <jdub> you should be able to install it
[12:14] <jdub> Ass_on_Fire: it's a default entry in sources.list
[12:14] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: no
[12:14] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire, edit your repository with synaptic
[12:14] <Cardador> you just have to check the boxes for all the lines
[12:15] <tuo2> khalek: sore heads are the best. I love them.
[12:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> so why does this continues to say i don't have the permission ?
[12:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".
[12:15] <Keybuk> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrnckjnh0.4no.jsiltala%40marvin.mosa.homelinux.org
[12:15] <Keybuk> ^ <g>
[12:16] <elemental> ok , question .. why am I getting a KRASH report on EVERY kde app I close
[12:17] <elemental> "KDE crash Handler"
[12:17] <scaroo> woooow ! gnome-bluetooth is gooooooooooooooooooooooooood :) is there any plan to integrate it with gvm ?
[12:17] <Ass_on_Fire> Yes! Found it, thx :)
[12:17] <jdub> scaroo: with gvm?
[12:17] <jdub> scaroo: how so?
[12:18] <grzesieq> hi
[12:19] <grzesieq> anyone got ubuntu working on a powerbook?
[12:19] <scaroo> jdub, like conciderieng my device (eg. my phone) as a volume, in wich i could copy/paste/create files
[12:19] <jdub> oh right
[12:19] <jdub> i think you can only do that with certain bluetooth devices
[12:19] <jdub> but that'd be cool
[12:20] <jdub> when in range, you'd get a disk icon ;)
[12:20] <scaroo> yes, that s it !
[12:20] <hypatia> Should popularity-contest ask me questions when I upgrade? (It was installed by default, I presume?)
[12:20] <jdub> hypatia: ideally, no
[12:20] <hypatia> jdub: bug worthy?
[12:21] <jdub> hypatia: yeah, i'd say so
[12:21] <jdub> matt only just changed it
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> scaroo: but you can send and receive items from bluetooth phones.
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> scaroo: and on a powerbook too (with built in bluetooth)
[12:21] <elemental> its like I'm invisible
[12:21] <elemental> hehe
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> scaroo: gnome-bluetooth is the package you should look at. you'll also need the bluez stuff - including the firmware
[12:21] <jdub> MacPlusG3: he's already doing that, had a different idea
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> jdub: ahh...
[12:22] <jdub> i have a repo of edd's bluetooth foo up
[12:22] <MacPlusG3> scaroo,jdub: i think the sony ericsson CD comes with stuff that does something similar - but for windows. i.e. it should be possible :)
[12:22] <rootb0y> has anyone tried shipit.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: yeah
[12:23] <rootb0y> I'd like to know how "free beer" it is
[12:23] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: I presume you have an apple computer?
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: we'll ship you cds around the end of october.
[12:23] <hypatia> filed
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: yes.. running linux
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: free beer, even the bubbles
[12:23] <azeem> Keybuk: that post implies that ubuntu is a snapshot of sid at the point of release
[12:23] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: Do you use airport extreme?
[12:23] <hypatia> the right question to ask is "what kind of beer?"
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: no - it's not supported
[12:23] <rootb0y> no shipping costs or anything?
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: under linux
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: no
[12:24] <rootb0y> cool
[12:24] <azeem> Keybuk: when do you guys freeze the upstream stuff for != GNOME?
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> jdub: gather there's some way to get a stack of CDs for the LUV crowd?
[12:24] <jdub> MacPlusG3: shipit.ubuntulinux.org...
[12:24] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: i was hoping it would work on 'generic' driver or something..
[12:24] <khalek> hypatia: scared you'll end up with fosters or something?
[12:24] <jdub> azeem: wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[12:24] <scaroo> jdub, funny business to ship at its own
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> jdub: so not ready for the ubuntu talk?
[12:24] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: 'cause how good is a laptop without WiFi? ;-)
[12:25] <jdub> MacPlusG3: no
[12:25] <azeem> bah, gnome-terminal does not consider that a link :)
[12:25] <hypatia> khalek: I dislike most beer, so I'm just looking out for the masses.
[12:25] <jdub> MacPlusG3: but i'll have ISOs of a recent daily with me
[12:25] <Ass_on_Fire> I still need to uncomment the Load "GLCore" and Load "dri" in the XF86Config file. Right ?
[12:25] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: it's a broadcom chipset - and they're being assholes with it. there are binary only wrapper stuff for x86 (useless on ppc). or binary only Darwin(OSX) drivers
[12:26] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: any attempts on reverse engineering or whatever it's called?
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> jdub: cool - number of ppl have already been playing - but there's interest, so a bunch of CDs on the night could do quite well.
[12:26] <azeem> about halfway through, then
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: everyone just uses PCMCIA/usb cards
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: considering they're $70AUD or less these days...
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: it's cheaper than AE :)
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: there may be... i dont' have an AE card (bought pcmcia)
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: and most developers are like that atm.
[12:27] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: Now they give them with every new pb.
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: ahh..
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: didn't used to :)
[12:27] <khalek> MacPlusG3: one of the apple guys at auug forwarded an email on to the right people (tm) but I have yet to hear back and doubt I will..
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> khalek: yeah... it's broadcom that are the problem, not apple
[12:27] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: yeah, i think it's only the latest version.
[12:28] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: the nice feature is that it uses the built-in antennas.
[12:28] <khalek> MacPlusG3: yeah but finding a person to talk to at broadcom would be useful
[12:28] <MacPlusG3> khalek, grzesieq: apple is getting better - stuff that they write the drivers of are often open source (e.g. sound). so even though the license and code can'tn work with linux, it's good being able to read stuff (so ppl who write ppc sound drivers tell me :)
[12:28] <khalek> MacPlusG3: also not everyone has the luxury of pcmcia given 12" laptops don't have them
[12:28] <khalek> s/them/it/
[12:29] <khalek> grzesieq: http://www.scaramanga.co.uk/stuff/bcm94306/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/
[12:29] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire: yes, and change the driver name to nvidia
[12:29] <Ass_on_Fire> k, done already :)
[12:30] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire: edit /etc/modules and put nvidia on the bottom
[12:30] <Cardador> or else your x wont start :)
[12:30] <Ass_on_Fire> hey that's new to me :)
[12:30] <Ass_on_Fire> thx
[12:30] <Cardador> np
[12:31] <Ass_on_Fire> that's all ??
[12:31] <Cardador> i think so
[12:31] <Ass_on_Fire> k, thx :)
[12:31] <Cardador> at least that was what i did
[12:31] <MacPlusG3> khalek: hrmmm... interesting
[12:31] <grzesieq> Everything else works ok on macs?
[12:32] <khalek> depends what you're after
[12:32] <khalek> nvidia chipsets won't have 3d and suspend
[12:32] <grzesieq> Uhm... Bletooth?
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: you probably won't get 3d accelleration
[12:32] <khalek> newer ati chipsets won't fully suspend
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: or suspend
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: on recent ones anyway
[12:32] <grzesieq> Bah.
[12:32] <khalek> 3d works on the ibooks
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: bluetooth works fine - been syncing and sending images and mp3s around.
[12:33] <grzesieq> I use bluetooth for syncing my schedule with my mobile phone, and i _really_ need it.
[12:33] <Keybuk> azeem: oddly enough, I'm writing a blog post about exactly that at the moment
[12:35] <grzesieq> Sometimes I think I should've bought an x86 laptop...
[12:36] <mteira> Why on Nautilus, right button on a mp3 file, properties, open with, I'm not able to change the default selected program?
[12:36] <ajmitch> so you don't just accept random debian packages into ubuntu then?
[12:36] <scaroo> mteira, you ve got a "open with..." entry
[12:36] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: yeah - same.
[12:36] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: it works on ppc - no problems :)
[12:36] <mteira> scaroo: Yes.
[12:37] <mteira> scaroo: OPen with another app , in spanish.
[12:37] <jdub> ajmitch: how do you mean? all of main is in universe
[12:37] <ondrej> is sgml-data installed correctly on your ubuntu? mine wants to upgrade each time to same version as installed
[12:37] <jdub> ajmitch: but we have particular supported packages
[12:37] <ajmitch> jdub: that's useful then
[12:38] <mteira> Also, in the Audio/Video tab, "There was an error trying to create the view named 'Audio/Video': System exception: IDL/omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
[12:38] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: But then I realize that on mac everything works, plus it looks great. :)
[12:38] <mteira> scaroo: But I mean while trying to change the default program, on the "Open with" tab.
[12:38] <mteira> scaroo: On the file properties window.
[12:39] <Cardador> anyone knows how to change from spatial to normal view on nautilus?
[12:39] <scaroo> mteira, ok, gonna try it asap
[12:39] <jdub> Cardador: in preferences
[12:39] <mteira> Cardador: In nautilus preferences.
[12:39] <mteira> Cardador: The first group, the last option.
[12:39] <jdub> Cardador: behaviour > always open in browser windows
[12:39] <ajmitch> is universe still getting packages in from sid?
[12:40] <jdub> ajmitch: no
[12:40] <scaroo> mteira, same problem here :(
[12:40] <jdub> ajmitch: froze a while back
[12:40] <jdub> ajmitch: see the release schedule on the wiki :)
[12:40] <mteira> Another problem with the encoding.
[12:40] <scaroo> mteira, the oter choices a greyed
[12:40] <scaroo> s/oter/other/
[12:40] <ajmitch> jdub: ok, wasnt' sure if that applied to everything or not :)
[12:40] <mteira> I've tried to use beep-media-player but the dragndrop doesn't work.
[12:40] <ajmitch> since it has some old versions of my packages there
[12:40] <ondrej> jdub: I have spare machine with two 36GB discs; do you think that this would be enough to make czech mirror of Ubuntu?
[12:40] <mteira> I think it's for the UTF vs Latin1 encoding.
[12:41] <jdub> ajmitch: we sync up some stuff after freeze for bugfixes, and of course gnome ;)
[12:41] <jdub> ondrej: um, from memory, yes
[12:41] <mteira> Humm, should I fill bug reports for this problems?
[12:41] <mteira> Or should be enought to comment them out here?
[12:41] <Cardador> jdub and mteira: thank you!
[12:42] <mteira> Cardador: You're wellcome
[12:42] <mteira> I wonder why the default theme is not using the Human icon theme.
[12:42] <ajmitch> jdub: one would almost think that you had a liking for GNOME? :)
[12:42] <jdub> mteira: it's not complete. we delayed the complete artwork until our final release.
[12:43] <mteira> Oh.
[12:43] <scaroo> does any of you knows a repo where i can find gstreamer-ffmepeg package ?
[12:43] <mteira> jdub: You're the one from Garnome, arent' you?
[12:43] <jdub> ajmitch: it's an important part of the ubuntu idea. :)
[12:43] <jdub> mteira: yes
[12:43] <mteira> jdub: Good work.
[12:43] <jdub> thanks
[12:43] <mteira> I see gpdf is not installed by default.
[12:43] <mteira> It's randomly working as in my Debian unstable.
[12:44] <mteira> It's hard for me to understand how gpdf fails so bad where xpdf works.
[12:44] <mteira> I understand the two programs use the same backend.
[12:44] <scaroo> hey, jdub was even the realease coordinator of gnome :p so yes ubuntu is gnome biased, and that is cool :D
[12:44] <jdub> mteira: it uses the same code, but gpdf uses a different font rendering mechanism
[12:45] <cef> bbk
[12:46] <scaroo> jdub, gpdf uses pango ?
[12:46] <mteira> jdub: OK.
[12:47] <ajmitch> aha, found a package that needs security fixes
[12:48] <mteira> There's a thing in gnome I don't like.
[12:48] <khalek> too much bling?
[12:49] <khalek> not enough bling?
[12:49] <mteira> Why when you right click on the desktop -> create a file, the document is not created UNDER the cursor?
[12:49] <martink> scaroo: no, gnome-print
[12:49] <mteira> bling?
[12:50] <mteira> What does it mean?
[12:50] <mteira> It's really anoying to create a document in a little free region on the desktop, and them have to minimize tons of windows looking for the new file.
[12:50] <mteira> Don't you think so?
[12:51] <mteira> It's only me?
[12:51] <jdub> mteira: bugzilla.gnome.org ;-)
[12:51] <mteira> jdub: Yeeees, I know.
[12:51] <mteira> jdub: Just a thinking.
[12:52] <yuran> hmm.. trash applet + small panel size don't work very well...
[12:52] <ajmitch> jdub: who do we ask for security fixes? (package is phpgroupware)
[12:53] <yuran> just added 8 "new" lounchers to my panel..
[12:54] <jdub> ajmitch: file a bug, it can probably be upgraded
[12:55] <jdub> yuran: in the next version, it'll pop up bigger when your mouse is over it
[01:07] <kOoLiNuS> hi to everyone !
[01:10] <Ass_on_Fire> Cardador: thanks for the help, nvidia drivers up and running :)
[01:10] <jose__> good to know that :)
[01:10] <jose__> Ass_on_Fire: im Cardador
[01:10] <jose__> lol
[01:10] <Ass_on_Fire> was a bit difficult, since i haven't used a debian-like distro before
[01:10] <jose__> some problems with xchat :P
[01:11] <Ass_on_Fire> :)
[01:12] <Ass_on_Fire> thank god i don't have to plug in my speakers in the mic jack of my onboard audio to get sound in ubuntu
[01:12] <Ass_on_Fire> the crackling that accompanied that drove me insane
[01:12] <Ass_on_Fire> :)
[01:13] <moyogo> hi all
[01:13] <|Gaaruto|> hi
[01:13] <moyogo> i have some problems with my usb webcam
[01:13] <guido_> hi all
[01:14] <moyogo> audio keeps picking it as the primary audio device if i leave it plugged in when i reboot
[01:14] <moyogo> that means i have no /dev/dsp and all the rest, just the mic i there
[01:15] <mteira> visual effects are not working for me in totem.
[01:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> I'm not going good with this
[01:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> cant have the permission to access mounted partitions
[01:15] <mteira> Do it work for you?
[01:16] <guido_> i have problems with totem too. can't get video display, only sound.
[01:16] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> TOTEM ?
[01:16] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: you have to edit fstab
[01:16] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ups sorry caps
[01:16] <mteira> guido_: Humm, I have not tested video display. I'm gonna try.
[01:16] <mteira> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: The video player.
[01:16] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador ii already did it
[01:17] <moyogo> for the video, shouldn't you configure it with gstreamer-properties ?
[01:17] <Zomb> ubunte installer hangs at 93% after telling me that he is restarting the system for the second stage
[01:17] <mteira> moyogo: Could be. :)
[01:17] <mteira> Let's see
[01:17] <Zomb> ah, after 30..40s it has rebootet
[01:17] <mteira> moyogo: But that's for nerds, isn't it?
[01:17] <moyogo> btw, gstreamer-properties is not in the Desktop Properties Menu
[01:18] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: do you have smt like this? /dev/hda6 /home/jose/downloads auto auto,users,exec 0 0
[01:18] <moyogo> it should be there as Multimedia System Selector
[01:18] <moyogo> imma file a bug about it
[01:18] <guido_> moyogo: ah I see, i already searched for something like that
[01:18] <ondrej> btw, how do I enable boot splash screen when not installing from scratch, but migrating from debunstable
[01:18] <ondrej> ?
[01:18] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> close to that
[01:18] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> let me get it
[01:18] <mteira> Humm. The spanish translation...
[01:18] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> w8
[01:19] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: ?s tuga? :P
[01:19] <Zomb> it think it is caused by lookups for a IDE disk
[01:19] <Zomb> there are no IDE disks
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> /dev/hda1	/mnt/win1	ntfs	rw,user,noauto	0	0
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yeah
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i'm tuga guy
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[01:19] <mteira> The properties in gstreamer-properties were fine.
[01:19] <mteira> And the tests worked.
[01:19] <Cardador> you cant write no ntfs
[01:20] <Cardador> at least safely
[01:20] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yes i know
[01:20] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> apart from that
[01:20] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> it should have the permisssion to access
[01:20] <Cardador> i'll put my line for ntfs
[01:20] <Cardador> /dev/hda1 /home/jose/windows1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[01:20] <mteira> ANd now, totem died.
[01:20] <guido_> mteira: how do I get into gstreamer-properties?
[01:20] <mteira> Bug buddy has poped up.
[01:21] <mteira> guido_: On a terminal, write gstreamer-properties
[01:21] <guido_> oh
[01:21] <guido_> thx
[01:21] <mteira> guido_: Or on the execute program window.
[01:21] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm
[01:21] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> k
[01:21] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> le' me try something like that
[01:22] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm
[01:22] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i don't want it to mount on boot
[01:22] <guido_> mteira, thanks got it
[01:22] <_Hiro_> hello everyone, anybody know wether the ubuntu shipped kernels support Adaptec I2O RAID?
[01:22] <mteira> No luck.
[01:23] <mteira> Perhaps the mach64 xv is not working fine. I'm gonna try without Xv.
[01:23] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador isn't it "user" ?
[01:23] <|Gaaruto|> hi mitchux
[01:23] <moyogo> mteira: my xv doesn't work either
[01:23] <mteira> Nothing. My xv is working on the test, but no with a film nor visual effects.
[01:23] <moyogo> mteira: actually totem doesn't display anything in x11 mode either
[01:23] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: i've it like this and it works :)
[01:23] <mitchux> hi boy
[01:23] <mitchux> huhu
[01:23] <mteira> moyogo: What xvinfo says you?
[01:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok
[01:24] <Cardador> it was a line generated by my previous distro
[01:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lets see
[01:24] <moyogo> mteira: but realplay does work with x11 mode
[01:24] <mteira> moyogo: I think it's totem fault.
[01:24] <moyogo> mteira: which part?
[01:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> damn
[01:24] <mteira> gstreamer-properties is able to use Xv correctly.
[01:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".
[01:25] <moyogo> mteira: i should try with just gstreamer player
[01:25] <Cardador> lol
[01:25] <Cardador> try it exactly like my line
[01:25] <moyogo> mteira: which part of xvinfo's output should i look at?
[01:25] <guido_> here too. gstreamer-properties tests run fine, no output in totem
[01:25] <Cardador> i had to reboot
[01:25] <Cardador> to get it working
[01:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yeah
[01:25] <mteira> moyogo: Well, if you got some output and not "No Xv extensions" it's fine.
[01:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> reboot on the way
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> it's exacly like your
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> it's exacly like yours
[01:26] <Cardador> gl :)
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> well
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> brb
[01:26] <moyogo> mteira: so xv should work?
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ty
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :P
[01:26] <mteira> moyogo: Yes.
[01:27] <scaroo> totem doesn t output coz ubuntu doesnt come with the gstreamer plugins needed to decode anything but theora
[01:27] <moyogo> mteira: oh wait, gstreamer-player is with version 0.6... do i wanna try that?
[01:27] <moyogo> scaroo: ah
[01:27] <jdub> scaroo: install totem-xine from universe
[01:27] <jdub> s/scaroo/moyogo/
[01:27] <mteira> scaroo: Oh.
[01:28] <Kosai> Hum.    Seem to have installed everything I can think of, and 'kde' itself is uninstallable.
[01:28] <moyogo> jdub: are the plugins not available for gstreamer?
[01:28] <mteira> jdub: But the visual effects are not working either
[01:29] <scaroo> jdub, can we find gstreamer-ffmpeg somewhere ?
[01:29] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> what's "universe" please ? i heard this word so many time
[01:29] <jdub> moyogo: you will have the most satisfying video experience with totem-xine
[01:29] <jdub> |Gaaruto|: it's the unsupported set of packages
[01:30] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> ok thanks
[01:30] <moyogo> jdub: yeah, like mteira, video output is still pitch black
[01:30] <mteira> When audio starts, I see a little centered white dot.
[01:30] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> i just install the ubuntu at this moment
[01:30] <mteira> And then, only darkness.
[01:31] <ConneX> i installed the latest Ubuntu on my laptop, but i could'nt get the tap-button to work.. are there some config i need to edit?
[01:33] <will|home> hey
[01:33] <will|home> someone was helping me with a problem yesterday
[01:33] <will|home> whereby x wasn't starting
[01:34] <will|home> i was told to "sudo apt-get install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-k7 linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-k7 nvidia-glx"
[01:34] <will|home> and replace nv with nvidia in my XF86Config-4 file
[01:34] <will|home> i did that, then typed startx
[01:34] <will|home> and everything worked great
[01:35] <will|home> but when i rebooted, i can't get X to work
[01:35] <Cardador> will|home: edit /etc/modules and add nvidia
[01:36] <will|home> cool, just done that
[01:36] <will|home> we'll see if it works :)
[01:37] <will|home> brilliant!
[01:37] <will|home> it worked
[01:37] <will|home> thanks very much for your help :)
[01:38] <will|home> ubuntu rocks!
[01:38] <Cardador> np :)
[01:39] <giard> does anyone know what the name of the package is for the default kernel?
[01:39] <moyogo> what's the difference between the module nvidia and the module nvidia-agp?
[01:40] <will|ubuntu> :)
[01:40] <Zomb> moyogo: I think nvidia-agp is what they use instead of agpgart (from kernel)
[01:41] <Cardador> giard: try search for linux-image
[01:42] <giard> so the latest is 2.6.7?
[01:43] <Mayday> anyone know if the binary ati drivers work?
[01:43] <Cardador> no, 2.6.8
[01:43] <Zomb> damn it
[01:43] <giard> strange, the only image I see is 2.6.7
[01:43] <Zomb> it does not install on 2GB harddisk
[01:44] <Cardador> giard: use synaptic to search, i only find <IP_ADDRESS>-5
[01:44] <jdub> giard: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
[01:46] <giard> Ahh, I think I figured out what the problem was... I had added universe to my sources
[01:46] <angie75> hi there!
[01:47] <giard> I'm curious because I can't seem to sleep/suspend
[01:47] <giard> when I echo 1 to /proc/acpi/sleep I get a message saying that it can't suspend some device
[01:48] <giard> and I was wondering if it was a kernel thing
[01:48] <sladen> giard: do you have a BIOS hotkey for suspend ?
[01:48] <giard> sladen: I don't think so, I'm not sure...
[01:49] <giard> it's not an ubuntu thing, as it doesn't work in slackware either, but I didn't know if there was a work around
[01:49] <plovs> join #ubuntu
[01:52] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no luck
[01:52] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :|
[01:54] <angie75> just a simple question... does Ubuntu use a dedicated apt-source repository or the official debian sources?
[01:55] <Kosai> A dedicated one; archive.ubuntu.com.
[01:55] <giard> is there a "news" feed for that server to see what new packages have been checked in?
[01:56] <angie75> tnx Kosai !
[01:56] <jdub> giard: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/warty-changes
[01:57] <angie75> no way to install k3b so? :-)
[01:59] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador chown -R should do it
[01:59] <jdub> angie75: add universe to your sources, and install
[02:00] <angie75> jdub: tnx... sorry I could catch this info rapidly
[02:00] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> or not..
[02:01] <yuran> i think i just locked myself out.. i changed the permissions on /etc/sudoers
[02:01] <yuran> anyway to undo this, without rebooting into single user?
[02:01] <hypatia> I can't think of one unless you've set a root password
[02:02] <will|ubuntu> what package do i need to apt-get install for SMB support?
[02:02] <hypatia> You should normally use "visudo" to make any changes to /etc/sudoers :)
[02:02] <yuran> well, lesson learned :)
[02:02] <yuran> so how should i change the sudoer file then?
[02:02] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: i have no more ideas :(
[02:02] <sladen> sudo visudo
[02:03] <hypatia> sladen: but by having changed the permissions of /etc/sudoers, presumably yuran can no longer run "sudo anything" commands
[02:03] <hypatia> yuran: I think single user was on the money
[02:03] <sladen> yuran: nope, out of interest.  /How/ did you manage to change the permissions, and what did you change them too?
[02:03] <angie75> tnx everybody, bye
[02:04] <yuran> sladen: sudo chmod of course :)
[02:04] <angie75> bye
[02:04] <yuran> to 0640
[02:04] <sladen> yuran: what to
[02:04] <yuran> seemed logical at the time...
[02:05] <yuran> brb
[02:08] <takatumi> would be a breeze with root
[02:08] <Kosai> jdub: Is there going to be a Planet Ubuntu?  :)
[02:09] <jdub> yes :)
[02:16] <thaytan> yo,buntu
[02:17] <kOoLiNuS> what is supposed to be "Planet Ubuntu" ?
[02:19] <plovs> kOoLiNuS, http://planet.gnome.org/ but then for ubuntu, a group off rss-feeds from developers
[02:20] <kOoLiNuS> oh, the "blog" of develops :-D
[02:23] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador
[02:23] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> the folder has the permission
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but when i mount the device to it
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ubuntu takes the permissions from the folder
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[02:24] <Cardador> strange
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> very
[02:24] <Cardador> where did you put the folder to mount it?
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR>  /media/
[02:25] <Cardador> try to mount it on your home folder
[02:26] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: is this a vfat partition?
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ntfs
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador same
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no permission
[02:27] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: what's your fstab line?
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> # USB IcyBox
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> /dev/sda1	/media/icybox	ntfs	auto,rw,exec,user	0	0
[02:28] <Cardador> usb?
[02:28] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: type id
[02:28] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: what's the uid and gid?
[02:28] <jdub> 1000?
[02:28] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> for the user?
[02:28] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yes
[02:28] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> 1000
[02:28] <jdub> ok
[02:28] <jdub> where you have auto,rw,exec,user
[02:28] <jdub> remove auto
[02:29] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> k
[02:29] <jdub> add uid=1000,gid=1000
[02:29] <minghua> hi, I have a question about LVM support on powerpc
[02:29] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> done
[02:29] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> anything else?
[02:30] <minghua> I tried d-i RC1 on i386 machine with root on LVM
[02:30] <minghua> and it worked fine
[02:30] <linux_mafia> can someone tell me which package i need to display chinese fonts in nautilus?
[02:30] <minghua> yesterday I tried ubuntu 4.10 preview
[02:30] <jdub> linux_mafia: no packages required, however, try this...
[02:30] <jdub> linux_mafia: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:30] <minghua> and I couldn't have LVM work
[02:31] <jdub> linux_mafia: make sure you choose the zh_CN.UTF-8 or whichever you prefer
[02:31] <minghua> linux_mafia: in Debian there is ttf-arphic-*
[02:31] <minghua> not sure about ubuntu
[02:31] <jdub> minghua: it's included by default
[02:31] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> jdub is that all? should i mount again now?
[02:31] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: yes, umount it, then mount it as your user
[02:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok, but i actually use english, i just got some chinese music mp3s and the file names are just ??????.mp3
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no need to mount as su ?
[02:32] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: no, that's what the user is for
[02:32] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: if you've been doing that, that's why it's b0rked :)
[02:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: you'll need to change to a UTF-8 locale
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ooohh
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :P
[02:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: english or chinese, whichever :)
[02:32] <minghua> jdub: how could I set a partition as a volume group?
[02:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok, thanks man
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yeah but it returned that only root bla bla..
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> so..
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but ok
[02:32] <minghua> jdub: I didn't remember how I did it last time
[02:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> makes sense now
[02:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :)
[02:33] <jdub> minghua: not really sure, but LVM setup is included in the installer
[02:33] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: sorted?
[02:33] <linux_mafia> utf-8 is the bane of my life :(
[02:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> w8
[02:33] <jdub> linux_mafia: utf-8 is love!
[02:33] <jdub> linux_mafia: in hoary, it will be the default so you don't have to muck around like this :)
[02:33] <linux_mafia> cool
[02:33] <Kamion> minghua: sorry, there's an issue with parted on powerpc which means that LVM isn't currently supported on powerpc
[02:34] <minghua> jdub: thanks, i think i'll try again
[02:34] <jdub> aha
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> seth@devil ~ $ mount /dev/sda1 /media/icybox/ -t ntfs
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> mount: only root can do that
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :\
[02:34] <minghua> Kamion: aha, that explains things well
[02:34] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: just type mount /media/icybox
[02:34] <Kamion> minghua: I spent some time debugging it at debconf4, it's not trivial to fix :-/
[02:34] <minghua> Kamion: so even d-i powerpc doesn't support LVM?
[02:34] <Kamion> minghua: nope
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yey
[02:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> akunamatata
[02:35] <minghua> Kamion: I see, thanks for the info.
[02:35] <minghua> Kamion: is there any bug number that I can watch on this issue?
[02:36] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> one day i'll pay u a dinner on candle light jdub
[02:36] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> homo apart
[02:36] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ;P
[02:36] <linux_mafia> jdub, perfect, thanks, displaying fine now
[02:36] <az[a] zel> anyone here develop for the AMD64 port?
[02:36] <Kamion> minghua: don't know of one
[02:37] <minghua> Kamion: need me to file one? :-)
[02:37] <jdub> az[a] zel: mithrandir, who is often here, knows the most about amd64
[02:38] <jdub> az[a] zel: but there are a few of us here who do, just ask straight up :)
[02:38] <az[a] zel> jdub, ok
[02:38] <Kamion> minghua: only if you really want to, it's unlikely to make things happen any faster :)
[02:39] <az[a] zel> jdub, just curious if there is a plan for 32 bit GTK+ 2.0 libraries for AMD 64 ? Also, a 32 bit mozilla (For proprietary plugins, e.g. flash).. one could always run the 32bit firefox from mozilla.org, but that requires 32 bit GTK+ 2.0 libs
[02:39] <minghua> Kamion: I won't bother then.  thanks.
[02:39] <Kamion> az[a] zel: there's a general plan for multiarch support; we probably won't be going further with individual 32-bit libraries unless necessary until we have that
[02:39] <Kamion> (hoary, not warty)
[02:39] <giard> flash... what a pain... macromedia needs to open source the viewer
[02:40] <Kamion> jdub: is the final gdm artwork going to include the machine name on the greeter screen? the debugging artwork did, current doesn't
[02:40] <sanxiyn> giard: Help open source projects implementing SWF standard.
[02:40] <sanxiyn> giard: Depending on Macromedia's binary is not a solution.
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: hrm
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: do you want it?
[02:41] <Kamion> minghua: (mind you, it would mean you'd be told when it was closed if you filed a bug ...)
[02:41] <sanxiyn> giard: Take a look at http://swfdec.sf.net/ and http://gplflash.sf.net/ .
[02:41] <Kamion> jdub: hell yeah
[02:41] <Kamion> jdub: I have so many machines around here I get very confused about which is which :)
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: use case? remote logins?
[02:41] <az[a] zel> Kamion, good 32 bit support on AMD64 distros hasn't been handled elegantly by any of the AMD64 distros yet, IMO.. debian/ubuntu seem to be on the right track though
[02:41] <jdub> haha
[02:41] <Kamion> remote logins is another, certainly
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: 'unidentified keyboard logins' ;)
[02:41] <giard> sanxiyn: are those still in active development?  Last I tried them they weren't very accurate
[02:42] <Mayday> is there a RSS reader in main, if so what is it called?
[02:42] <Kamion> "WTF-is-this-machine logins"
[02:42] <sanxiyn> giard: I found swfdec to be adequate for *my* purposes.
[02:42] <jdub> Mayday: hrm, don't think so - try installing straw from universe
[02:42] <Kamion> az[a] zel: right, hence the multiarch ideas ... Mithrandir's baby
[02:42] <sanxiyn> giard: Yes swfdec is active, and gplflash was once discontinued but they released fix in 2004.
[02:42] <Mayday> i dont want universe, i want main :)
[02:42] <jdub> Mayday: :-)
[02:43] <jdub> Mayday: by final release, the version of firefox we'll ship will have rss stuff in it
[02:43] <sanxiyn> giard: swfdec cooperates with GStreamer (to-be-freedesktop.org-supported media framework)
[02:43] <Kamion> jdub: I think also it means that, if you have a row of monitors, they're a little less faceless and indistinguishable by default
[02:43] <jdub> as will thunderbird
[02:43] <jdub> Kamion: 'cept they'll all be called ubuntu ;)
[02:43] <Kamion> they so won't :)
[02:43] <Mayday> the rss reader in evolution was removed in the 2.0?
[02:43] <giard> swfdec hasn't released an update in almost a year and a half if you go by their website
[02:43] <Kamion> DHCP, dude :)
[02:44] <Kamion> well, and DNS
[02:44] <jdub> Kamion: (i actually just commented that bit out in the theme, you can enable it again locally if you want)
[02:44] <sanxiyn> giard: Well, but it's still active. :-)
[02:44] <jdub> Kamion: but yes, i'll make sure we have that
[02:44] <Kamion> jdub: ah, ok - ta
[02:44] <sanxiyn> giard: Help them integrating ActionScript compiler from Ming project.
[02:44] <jdub> Mayday: yes
[02:44] <sanxiyn> giard: Ming is PHP Flash generator, that has about the best open source ActionScript implementation.
[02:45] <sanxiyn> giard: Even if they aren't active, relying on propreitary binary is *not* a solution.
[02:46] <sladen> who's an OOo hacker around here?
[02:46] <giard> sanxiyn: you'll get no arguments from me there.  the pain is that flash is so ubiquitous now
[02:47] <seb128> jdub: gaim 1.0 is out ... fixes some severe encoding breakage in current warty version. Perhaps we want to consider it ?
[02:47] <giard> sanxiyn: we need a decent standard that browsers will include by default
[02:47] <sanxiyn> giard: And Macromedia's is not a solution, so only solution is to help open-source Flash projects...
[02:47] <sanxiyn> giard: Yes it is a pain.
[02:47] <az[a] zel> damn the hoary hedgehog goals look pretty good.. I want it now! :)
[02:47] <jdub> seb128: yes, i think we need to consider it as part of the desktop/gnome updates
[02:48] <jdub> az[a] zel: ;)
[02:48] <highvoltage> I want a future version!
[02:48] <seb128> jdub: should I mail you+Matt ?
[02:48] <highvoltage> Anyone have some time-travel bandwidth available?
[02:48] <jdub> seb128: yes please
[02:48] <seb128> ok, thanks
[02:48] <[Scizo] > warty looks good
[02:49] <sanxiyn> giard: At least Flash is not software-patented. Thanks for that. :(
[02:49] <highvoltage> I want ubuntu 6.5 with Evolution 4.1, Firefox 2.7, and Gnome 4.2 with the new hurd kernel. thank you
[02:49] <sanxiyn> (Or is it?)
[02:49] <martink> sladen: haggai_ is an OOo debian maint. And I hack OOo sometimes...
[02:49] <[Scizo] > still needs some apps for everyday use (i.e. bluefish, anjuta) but i'm sure it'll get there soon
[02:49] <martink> sladen: ah, you already found the right channel
[02:50] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> one more error "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."
[02:50] <az[a] zel> highvoltage, hurd should be available 2032
[02:50] <highvoltage> not if we get the time-travel thing working :)
[02:50] <sladen> martink: yes, tried each of   {oftc,opn}/#openoffice{,.org}  before getting the right one :)
[02:51] <az[a] zel> "Significant GDM polish (MNG, face browser Done Right)" -- I like this, animated stuff is cool :)
[02:51] <highvoltage> I saw that on a gentoo machine, but it's not on ubuntu yet, right?
[02:52] <highvoltage> Mine just showes a blue/grey ubuntu login.
[02:52] <tseng> ubuntu is frozen now, no new packages
[02:52] <tseng> just fixes
[02:52] <az[a] zel> oh so gdm already has that?
[02:52] <jdub> az[a] zel: no
[02:52] <martink> sladen: there's also #debian-oo for debian specific ooo questions
[02:52] <jdub> highvoltage: the debugging artwork?
[02:52] <az[a] zel> what is "Launchpad integration" ?
[02:52] <jdub> az[a] zel: new backend applications, you'll hear more soon
[02:52] <highvoltage> jdub: hmmm... I saw it on a gentoo box, I'm sure, I'll ask my friend if it was gdm or something else
[02:53] <highvoltage> I'm comvinced that it was
[02:53] <jdub> highvoltage: what did you see?
[02:54] <highvoltage> jdub: Nice animated and interactive stuff on the login screen, I must admit it was a few weeks ago, is that what you're talking about
[02:54] <sladen> martink: it's not Debian specific, but if the clue/response level is likely to be higher, I'll give it a go?
[02:55] <martink> sladen: not with this question, I'm afraid
[02:57] <martink> sladen: it's very likely that all the res files contain the same data for toolbar icons. Did you try bzip2ing all res files in one archive?
[02:57] <sladen> martink: ah ha.  That's useful information
[03:02] <TerminX> will packages from Ubuntu install fine on Debian?
[03:03] <jdub> TerminX: unlikely
[03:05] <TerminX> how unlikely?  there's a bit of stuff that works fine even aliened from rpms, I really don't see why packages from a distro based on Debian in the first place would be that unlikely to work..  It may work.
[03:06] <TerminX> I, uh, can't find a sources.list from Ubuntu.
[03:06] <TerminX> Or I would have by now
[03:06] <sanxiyn> TerminX: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[03:06] <TerminX> aha
[03:07] <TerminX> thanks
[03:08] <sanxiyn> Hm. If "apt-get install" fails, will "apt-get source --build" work?
[03:12] <Kamion> TerminX: main issue is that we've rebuilt Debian packages for Ubuntu. We should be binary-compatible, in that the actual executables should work fine; the question is more whether the packages themselves will work. You get to find out :-)
[03:12] <TerminX> ehehe
[03:13] <jdub> plus we're a bit behind in some respects, due to the freeze
[03:14] <Mayday> i would say you are ahead due to the freeze :)
[03:14] <Kamion> depends on your point of view :-)
[03:14] <Kamion> (or, perhaps, direction of view ...)
[03:15] <Mayday> ofcourse
[03:15] <jdub> ;-)
[03:15] <Mayday> anyway, damn fine work done so far, few dists has made me feel so at home so quickly
[03:16] <kOoLiNuS> indeed
[03:16] <robertj> okay, back from my first Ubuntu install
[03:16] <kOoLiNuS> ^__^
[03:16] <jdub> Mayday: that's gotta be our favourite response to hear :)
[03:17] <robertj> first comment: MY EYES!
[03:17] <tseng> haha
[03:17] <[Scizo] > jdub, any chance i can get you to leave out the "local apic on uniprocessors" option by default ?
[03:17] <TerminX> robertj: I assume the goggles do nothing?
[03:17] <robertj> No, mainly the default resolution
[03:17] <robertj> < 80hz and my eyes scream
[03:17] <tseng> [Scizo] : what does that even do?
[03:18] <tseng> it breaks my laptop
[03:18] <mteira> Humm. I feel ubuntu really faster than my Debian Unstable. Is ubuntu using some trick like prelinking, or it's just gnome 2.8 being faster than gnome 2.6 ?
[03:18] <[Scizo] > tseng, crashes my inspiron every time :)
[03:18] <tseng> haha same here
[03:18] <tseng> but i wonder what its useful for
[03:18] <robertj> This monitor really needs 1280x1024, not 1600
[03:18] <tseng> [Scizo] : hey can you add to my bug report
[03:18] <sanxiyn> robertj: I think Debian configures X with DDC(Display Data Channel)?
[03:18] <[Scizo] > tseng, i know it's Dell's fault .. but still .. it's the main reason i can't run debian on it (that and ACPI < 2.4.24)
[03:18] <Kamion> mteira: we're not using prelinking, no
[03:19] <sanxiyn> robertj: It means the monitor manufacturer thought 1600 is good for it.
[03:19] <tseng> [Scizo] : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1322
[03:19] <mteira> Kamion: So, perhaps it's gnome 2.8 faster.
[03:19] <sanxiyn> robertj: I believe the monitor manufacturer knows better. :-)
[03:19] <robertj> I believe not ;)
[03:19] <[Scizo] > tseng, i'm assuming you got a nice 640x480 display at first boot as well :D
[03:19] <Kamion> mteira: we do tune all the .debs for Pentium 4
[03:19] <tseng> [Scizo] : er, no
[03:20] <robertj> Windows doesn't pick that resolution, neither does Fedora if I recall correctly
[03:20] <tseng> it just crashes on the lid event
[03:20] <Kamion> mteira: it's *possible* that makes a difference (although I'm a little sceptical)
[03:20] <[Scizo] > heh ... 640x480 on a 15" TFT meant for 1600x1200 is painfull :D
[03:20] <sanxiyn> robertj: That's strange.
[03:20] <mteira> Kamion: Perhaps I have more services running on my debian.
[03:20] <jdub> [Scizo] : kernel's not really my area, if you could post to -users about it, that'd be great
[03:20] <[Scizo] > jdub, i'll just add to tseng's bug report
[03:20] <mteira> Kamion: I'm using a Pentium III, anyway
[03:20] <jdub> mteira: we do two optimisations, which will provide a leeeetle bit of help
[03:20] <Vanzetti> hi
[03:20] <sanxiyn> robertj: Debian should do same as Windows or Fedora or whatever, since resoultion detection is standard.
[03:20] <robertj> IMO, unless its the difference between 640x480 & 800x600 or 800x600 & 1024x768, refresh rate should trump all
[03:20] <robertj> san: I bet they are doing some checks to weigh in refresh rate over manufacturer recommendation
[03:21] <robertj> which certainly seems sane in this case
[03:21] <jdub> mteira: first is compiler optimisations for the cpu - it works on i486, but is tuned for k7 and pentium4
[03:21] <sanxiyn> Hm.
[03:21] <Kamion> sanxiyn: judging from Daniel Stone's periodic "aargh" screams about resolution detection, I don't think it's that simple unfortunately
[03:21] <jdub> mteira: second is linker optimisation, which can help apps start faster
[03:21] <sanxiyn> Kamion: Unfortunately. But it should be simple. :(
[03:21] <mteira> jdub: Perhaps that second one is what I'm feeling.
[03:22] <mteira> jdub: xchat started in no more than two seconds. On my debian it lasts more time
[03:22] <jdub> sanxiyn: unfortunately, there are bugs in the world that are hard to work around in software. :)
[03:22] <Kamion> robertj: at one point the algorithm was basically "on CRTs, take the second-highest resolution offered"
[03:22] <tseng> jdub: prelink you mean?
[03:22] <jdub> tseng: no, not prelink
[03:22] <Kamion> robertj: I think it might be more complicated than that now
[03:22] <jdub> tseng: linker hashtable optimisation
[03:22] <tseng> ah, excellent.
[03:22] <sanxiyn> jdub: Heh.
[03:22] <mteira> jdub: That sounds interesting.
[03:22] <robertj> But that's not horrible by any means
[03:22] <mteira> jdub: Will that change go back onto debian.
[03:22] <robertj> But just knowing a lot of users will never _ever_ change their screen resolution
[03:23] <Deft> what partition type would mount expect for a FAT32 usb pen?
[03:23] <robertj> I cant count the times I've bumped someone from 1024x768 @ 60 hz to 1024x768 @ 85+ hz
[03:23] <tseng> Deft: vfat
[03:23] <jdub> mteira: it's a general buildd change, so not sure
[03:23] <mteira> I'm curious about how the improvements in Ubuntu will be driven back to debian.
[03:23] <Deft> tseng, I mean the partition type, in the mbr
[03:23] <jdub> mteira: we're already sending lots of patches back
[03:23] <tseng> mbr? usb pen?
[03:23] <tseng> youve lost me.
[03:23] <mteira> jdub: That's great
[03:24] <Deft> tseng, you only get sda1 for a usb pen, because that's the first partition on the pen.  if there were no partitions, you would just get sda, but windows apparently doesn't like that
[03:25] <tseng> sda is the device
[03:25] <mteira> A question about Rhythmbox. I heared time ago that mp3 id3 tag editing would be a future enhancement.
[03:25] <tseng> sda1 is the first partition
[03:25] <mteira> Perhaps it's a gstreamer functionality they're waiting for?
[03:25] <jdub> mteira: yes
[03:25] <tseng> what does windows have to do with it
[03:25] <Deft> tseng, exactly, and you need an mbr to have a partition
[03:25] <tseng> or better, what are you trying to do here?
[03:25] <TerminX> Ubuntu GNOME on Debian appears to work.
[03:25] <jay303F> hello
[03:25] <TerminX> there's some oddities, like I can add the "about ubuntu" icon to my panel, but it does nothing.. :)
[03:26] <Deft> windows won't read from a usb pen drive with just a filesystem over the whole thing, you need an mbr and at least one partition
[03:26] <sanxiyn> TerminX: Heh.
[03:26] <jay303F> anybody had a problem with installing ubuntu? when it tries to detect my ide-cd you can wait forever on it
[03:26] <Deft> so I want to set mine up like that (I'm reformatting it)
[03:26] <mteira> jdub: Have the ubuntu people optimization as one of their priorities?
[03:27] <mteira> jdub: That's one thing I'm always missed in gnome. Perhaps it's just a feeling.
[03:27] <jdub> mteira: not a huge priority, but we've done a few things here and there that are safe and sane
[03:27] <mteira> jdub: Are more of this things planned?
[03:27] <Curti1> Does anyone know warthogs password on the live cd.
[03:27] <jdub> Curti1: i think it's 'morphix'
[03:27] <mteira> jdub: I had the idea that if Ubuntu is in some way oriented to Africa, should work better on old machines.
[03:27] <jay303F> anybody had a problem with installing ubuntu? when it tries to detect my ide-cd you can wait forever on it, anyone had this problem?
[03:28] <jdub> mteira: where we can do things safely, we probably will
[03:28] <mteira> jdub: Thanks.
[03:28] <Deft> jay303F, does the drive work from any other OS/linux install?
[03:28] <mteira> jdub: What about prelinking? Isn't it safe in its state?
[03:28] <jay303F> Deft: yeah, i've debian running
[03:28] <mteira> I have heard that OS X is using it.
[03:28] <mteira> Just as a curiosity
[03:29] <[Scizo] > arrgh
[03:29] <[Scizo] > i give up ... mozilla insists on "forgetting" my bug report every time i try to submit it
[03:29] <jay303F> Deft: installing that worked perfectly, but i was curious about ubuntu
[03:30] <|Gaaruto|> where can i config my screen in ubuntu ? (config for iiyama...)
[03:30] <mteira> [Scizo] : I've submitted some bugs a while ago, using firefox.
[03:31] <[Scizo] > mteira, it's just this "#"# gentoo installation that needs a good kick in the a**
[03:31] <mteira> [Scizo] : Oh.
[03:31] <mteira> [Scizo] : Take it easy. ;-)
[03:31] <jay303F> nobody had my problem i guess?
[03:32] <robertj> I was a bit confused during the Ubuntu intall.
[03:32] <robertj> IF you don't select to download things from the internet, do you not get X, Gnome, etc
[03:32] <[Scizo] > mteira, i am .. just waiting for some new day2day apps to enter ubuntu, and i'll be back on something similar to debian :)
[03:32] <jdub> mteira: ask keybuk about the horrors of prelinking when he's around :)
[03:32] <robertj> It said there were 500 and some odd packages, were the majority sitting around in some temporary cache on the HD?
[03:32] <sanxiyn> jay303F: If Sarge installer worked fine and Ubuntu failed, that sounds like a bug.
[03:32] <mteira> robertj:
[03:32] <mteira> jdub: :)
[03:32] <robertj> mteira: :)
[03:32] <robertj> jdub: :)
[03:33] <mteira> jdub: Are they problems in the prelinking idea itself or in the implementation?
[03:33] <mteira> s/problems/horrors/
[03:33] <|Gaaruto|> what's this error please ? Failed to run network-admin as user root:
[03:33] <|Gaaruto|>  Child terminated with 1 status
[03:34] <jdub> robertj: you shouldn't need to download anything from the 'net other than updates
[03:34] <seb128> |Gaaruto|: probably wrong password ..
[03:34] <seb128> |Gaaruto|: you need to enter your user password
[03:34] <|Gaaruto|> lol
[03:34] <jdub> mteira: the whole idea
[03:34] <jay303F> sanxiyn: i have debian SID which works perfectly, maybe i will use that again then, i just was enthousiastic about ubuntu with gnome 2.8
[03:34] <|Gaaruto|> not the root pswd ?
[03:34] <Deft_u> jdub, update on that usb drive thing yesterday, it works ok with a new mbr, FAT16 partition type and FAT16 formatting; before it was W95FAT32 and FAT32...
[03:34] <jdub> |Gaaruto|: there is no root password :)
[03:35] <jdub> Deft_u: interesting
[03:35] <sanxiyn> jdub: jay303F says that his Ubuntu install hanged on loading ide-cd (while Debian installer worked.)
[03:35] <linux_mafia> well i hate to say it, but with all that talk of flash before, i installed flashplugin-nonfree from sid, works a treat, tried swfdec but it wont build a browser plugin unless you have mozilla proper installed, not firefox, may have a fiddle with it when i have more time
[03:35] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> that's right !
[03:35] <jay303F> sanxiyn: i not freezed the computer, it just tries it forever, i waited an hour
[03:35] <jay303F> then i rebooted
[03:35] <[alsimcoe] > .
[03:35] <jdub> jay303F: weird
[03:36] <jay303F> yeah i know
[03:36] <[Scizo] > how well does ubuntu handle it if i try to install things from the debian unstable archive ? .. to get things like bluefish, anjuta etc.
[03:36] <jdub> jay303F: Kamion might be able to help out
[03:36] <jdub> [Scizo] : you should not do that. enable universe and install from there.
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> in case anyone was wondering
[03:36] <[Scizo] > enable universe ?
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> #debian is populated by wankers :/
[03:36] <[Scizo] > ah
[03:36] <jay303F> hm, ok i probably try it later or stay using good old debian
[03:37] <neill> hi
[03:37] <linux_mafia> HrdwrBoB, thats not the ubuntu spirit :(
[03:37] <_Hiro_> could anyone confirm me wether I can use an adaptec 3200s raid card with stock ubuntu?
[03:37] <jdub> _Hiro_: should be able to
[03:37] <[Scizo] > ubuntu just moved 1 step closer to becoming my main distribution :)
[03:38] <jay303F> to bad, i really wanted to give it a try
[03:38] <jdub> [Scizo] : note that the stuff in universe is unsupported
[03:38] <neill> are people interested in installer problems?
[03:38] <_Hiro_> jdub does it come with the stock binary kernels? (because it's a patch that has to be used, it's not in the kernel by default)
[03:38] <jdub> neill: of course :)
[03:38] <neill> and should they go in the bugzilla mentioned in the topic
[03:38] <neill> ?
[03:38] <sanxiyn> It is said that GCC visibility patch will reduce (say) OOo .so size to 20% of current size [!]
[03:38] <[Scizo] > jdub, so is 90% of the software in any other distribution :)
[03:38] <jdub> _Hiro_: oh, hrm, in that case, i'm not sure
[03:38] <jdub> neill: yes please
[03:38] <neill> as a bit of background I'm trying to install onto a brand new athlon 64 / nforce 3 250gb board
[03:39] <jdub> neill: or send an installation report to ubuntu-users
[03:39] <jay303F> neill: i will check if my ide-cd problem is there
[03:39] <jdub> neill: with SATA disks?
[03:39] <neill> using SATA disks :)
[03:39] <_Hiro_> anyone here have a source ubuntu kernel?
[03:39] <jdub> neill: try a daily CD build instead :)
[03:39] <_Hiro_> if so could you grep .config for DPT ?
[03:39] <tseng> hmm no /proc/config support?
[03:40] <neill> jdub: well modprobe sata_nv seems to have done the trick so far.
[03:40] <jay303F> hm, it's not there
[03:40] <neill> also if I have my ipod plugged in it detects that as sda.
[03:40] <neill> which I suspect is likely to cause problems later for some people
[03:40] <tseng> neill: you can configure udev to name it /dev/ipod
[03:41] <tseng> or any other name
[03:41] <Deft_u> neill, does the device manager come up with a name for the iPod?
[03:42] <neill> Deft_u: device manager? I'm still in the installer....
[03:42] <robertj> tseng: hopefully within a few months people will be content to let it be /dev/sda and let Rhythmbox come up with "4 GB iPod Mini"
[03:42] <tseng> unless your hd is /dev/sda normally
[03:42] <tseng> and ipod bumps it to sdb
[03:43] <tseng> i think that was what he was meaning as problems ^, not sure it they can go in the order
[03:43] <neill> tseng: yes. this is the problem
[03:43] <neill> since I'm using SATA
[03:43] <neill> and so if I have it plugged in during install it's going to break things
[03:44] <robertj> What do yall think of Ubuntu's artwork? I'm a bit torn on it.
[03:44] <robertj> I really like the design but the colors make me go ugh
[03:44] <tseng> heh, i dont like any of it
[03:45] <tseng> except the gnome splash
[03:45] <tseng> so i took about 10 minutes and made it look nice.
[03:46] <Deft_u> I like the art, but I would like some of the brown in the default wallpaper... doubt I'll get much agreement on that
[03:46] <robertj> Not from me
[03:47] <robertj> if anything, I'd like it slightly darker
[03:47] <tseng> i could care less, ill change the theme anyway
[03:47] <[Scizo] > heh .. i tried the new glider theme .. decided i liked the default ubuntu one better
[03:47] <robertj> maybe a really dark brown would be better
[03:47] <robertj> I'm back with Industrial
[03:47] <[Scizo] > and as for wallpaper .. do whatever you like .. i have a nice one that i apply anyway :D
[03:47] <tseng> indubstrial here
[03:47] <robertj> The real problem is that Gnome doesn't let you specify theme colors seperately from the theme
[03:47] <tseng> and opusos openbox theme
[03:48] <robertj> One of my other thoughts is that the show/hide desktop button is silly if your not going to put your system icons there
[03:49] <tseng> not really
[03:49] <robertj> Either keep it as it is or nuke that and don't create a ~/Desktop
[03:49] <[Scizo] > i miss my "computer" and "xxx home" on my desktop :(
[03:49] <robertj> Scizo: you can put it back with gconf
[03:49] <robertj> hrmmm
[03:49] <[Scizo] > my point being that i don't want to mess with gconf any more than i wont to mess with regedit32
[03:50] <Deft_u> I tend to keep all of my files on the desktop, so having launchers there as well is pretty wierd...
[03:50] <jdub> [Scizo] : we've disabled the special desktop icons intentionally
[03:50] <robertj> 'Mess with it!
[03:50] <jdub> [Scizo] : try out the computer menu for a while
[03:50] <[Scizo] > i've been using linux since the yggdrasil fall '93 edition .. I think i've nudged enough configuration files in my time :D
[03:50] <robertj> jdub: I like the Computer menu but it seems like it needs an Applet too
[03:50] <jdub> robertj: hrm?
[03:51] <[Scizo] > jdub, i will .. took a while to get used to spatial nautilus .. maybe this just takes some getting used to
[03:51] <toothpick> How do I link firefox with my blackdown java?
[03:51] <robertj> because now you kinda have to have the top menu
[03:51] <Deft_u> robertj, you mean you want a computer menu applet like the main menu applet?
[03:51] <robertj> yah
[03:52] <robertj> btw, is there a mac-os style menus option in gconf anywhere?
[03:52] <_Hiro_> if you mount a cd does it still create a desktop cd icon?
[03:52] <robertj> Hiro: nope
[03:52] <_Hiro_> oh :(
[03:53] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, but it automounts and opens a new window with the cd contents :D
[03:53] <[Scizo] > even works for my 2.5" USB2 disk
[03:53] <_Hiro_> yeah yeah I know what it's supposed to do :/
[03:53] <_Hiro_> 7/10 gnome crashes at that point
[03:54] <_Hiro_> I always disabled that with fedora and the other distro with which I had gnome-volume-manager
[03:54] <robertj> jdub: the top-menu in Gnome manages to be a waste of space for average users
[03:54] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, because fedora uses some %"#"# mount dmon of their own
[03:54] <_Hiro_> and I like the icon for its eject capability, nothing much else
[03:54] <Kamion> neill: a daily build should fix that, I think; I arranged for it to detect sata_nv properly
[03:54] <_Hiro_> [Scizo] , I'm more convinced that it's the hardware :/  a shuttle SS40G
[03:55] <neill> Kamion: ok. Where can you get daily builds from?
[03:55] <Deft_u> _Hiro_, you can add drive icons to the desktop independently of home and computer or whatever, it's in App/Nautilus/Desktop in gconf
[03:55] <Kamion> robertj: the current artwork isn't final, you'll be glad to hear
[03:55] <Kamion> neill: I posted links to ubuntu-users last night
[03:55] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, i tried the redhat gnome mount thingy out on a box i setup for some newbs ... crashed 8/10 times, the rest of the times it wouldn't unmount
[03:55] <robertj> Kamion: yeah, I know. I don't mind it except for the color
[03:55] <_Hiro_> ah, nice. I didn't knew that, thx Deft_u
[03:55] <Kamion> neill: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/current/, rsync access also available
[03:55] <robertj> Scizo: Works fine in Core 2
[03:55] <Kamion> no torrents as yet
[03:56] <_Hiro_> if only supermount would work :P
[03:56] <robertj> Its in Ubuntu as well
[03:56] <robertj> Hiro: umm, what?
[03:56] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, so they got a few nice cd mount icons in their toolbar instead
[03:56] <_Hiro_> you know, supermount, the kernel option
[03:56] <robertj> Hiro: thats old news
[03:56] <robertj> out of date
[03:56] <[Scizo] > robertj, well .. this was just around the time that FC1 was about to be released
[03:57] <robertj> hal/dbus does that in a non-broken fashon in Fc2 and Ubuntu
[03:57] <[Scizo] > besides . FC is rpm based *shudders*
[03:57] <jdub> robertj: hrm, not sure that's true
[03:57] <robertj> and you can bet your bottom dollar that it will appear in the next major revision of every distro shipping 2.6 as default
[03:57] <Kamion> ok, I so need a wireless card in the amd64 box
[03:57] <robertj> jdub: really?
[03:57] <_Hiro_> :/
[03:57] <_Hiro_> <3 umounting on tap of button
[03:57] <jdub> robertj: wrt top menu being a waste of space
[03:57] <robertj> jdub: ohh
[03:58] <robertj> Unless you are running half a bajillion applets it seems like you have a bunch of unused screen realestate
[03:58] <[Scizo] > no .. bottom toolbar is a waste of space .. first thing i do is move the window [list|switcher]  to the top toolbar and remove the bottom one :)
[03:59] <jdub> [Scizo] : (mmm, i actually remove the window switcher along with the panel)
[03:59] <robertj> Gawsh, once composite hits standard i'm sure the bottom bar is going away for alot of people
[03:59] <[Scizo] > nice touch to include firefox as the default browser
[04:00] <_Hiro_> jdub but what if you minimize a window?
[04:00] <jdub> _Hiro_: i don't :-)
[04:00] <robertj> alt+tab ;)
[04:00] <az[a] zel> should have a dock like OS X :D
[04:00] <Deft_u> I make the top bar autohide so I only have the bottom one on the screen most of the time
[04:00] <[Scizo] > jdub, naah .. i keep the workspace switcher ... ws1 for terminals and xchat, ws2 for evolution, ws3 for browser, ws4 for komodo and/or anjuta
[04:00] <tseng> hmm
[04:00] <robertj> the Dock is a good idea but with the panel it become needless
[04:00] <tseng> the industrial trash icon totally doesnt work with the trash applet
[04:01] <jdub> tseng: yeah, there's a bug in the icon usage there atm
[04:01] <neill> wow. that was painless.
[04:01] <_Hiro_> o could anyone check for me wether there is an openvpn package?
[04:01] <[Scizo] > tseng, hmm ... you have a point .. no trash icon on my desktop .. i wonder where i'll find that now
[04:01] <_Hiro_> I suppose there is
[04:01] <tseng> [Scizo] : on the panel
[04:01] <tseng> trash applet
[04:01] <tseng> like osx
[04:01] <jdub> [Scizo] : bottom panel, on the right
[04:01] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, there is .. not sure if it's in universe though
[04:01] <robertj> I understand its OS X like but it seems like it should be under Computer
[04:02] <[Scizo] > jdub, the bottom panel i deleted as the first thing :)
[04:02] <jdub> [Scizo] : add the trash applet to your top panel
[04:02] <robertj> under Desktop
[04:02] <_Hiro_> ok great, I prefer to keep 'within the system' as opposed to compiling a lot of seperate packages from source :)
[04:02] <jdub> [Scizo] : i put it at the top right :)
[04:02] <_Hiro_> is there bootsplash support ?
[04:02] <[Scizo] > i really love how gnome is getting closer to OS X with every release
[04:02] <az[a] zel> with a lot of laptops going wide screen these days.. it's good to have the panel on the left or right I reckon.. on OS X I have the dock on the left hand side
[04:02] <robertj> Scizo: it's really not
[04:03] <Deft_u> deoes anyone else have lots of blank lines in system monitor? they seem to be where the kernel events processes should be
[04:03] <Kamion> losing the bottom panel is definitely a win on smaller laptop screens
[04:03] <[Scizo] > robertj, it is .. but in it's own gnome way :)
[04:03] <az[a] zel> nah gnome still isn't like OS X.. it is in some ways, like the instant apply stuff, and the button ordering
[04:03] <robertj> I wish Gnome would team up with the EFF to take on spring-loaded folders
[04:03] <[Scizo] > well .. the gnome panel is a lot more usefull than the OS X panel
[04:03] <Kamion> neill: with a daily build?
[04:03] <jdub> Deft_u: yes, known bug
[04:03] <az[a] zel> but it's like windows in other ways, like the tree menu for applications
[04:03] <robertj> OS X file navigation is a wonderful blend of browse & spatial
[04:03] <[Scizo] > and takes a lot less space
[04:04] <az[a] zel> yeah it would be great if nautilus worked like finder
[04:04] <[Scizo] > robertj, az[a] zel : and then again .. not
[04:04] <_Hiro_> the ubuntu 6 month release cycle, does it mean that the repository of packages is frozen and every 6 months new tested ones are added?
[04:04] <az[a] zel> and if ejectable media had an eject icon embedded in the media icon (since pressing the eject button the cdrom doesnt work)
[04:05] <robertj> The #1 (one, 1, uno) thing Gnome needs to do is take the bookmarks from FileOpen and stick them on the left hand bar for drag and open targets
[04:05] <Kamion> _Hiro_: fairly soon we'll open up hoary, which will be a development repository until it freezes; you'll be able to track it while it's in development
[04:05] <robertj> "That's not spatial," but it sure is useful.
[04:05] <Deft_u> az[a] zel, right click, eject...
[04:06] <_Hiro_> Kamion, but for instance if you have gaiml 1.0.0 in the repos and a month later they release 1.0.1, what happens? you need to wait another 5 months?
[04:06] <az[a] zel> Deft_u, I've watched my g/f use the computer, and I don't think I have *ever* seen her right click, or command->click in OS X.. sticking the eject button on the icon makes it more obvious for those people
[04:06] <Kamion> also, losing the bottom panel means you dodge the annoying bug #1288 ... :)
[04:06] <Deft_u> az[a] zel, ah, isee the problem there...
[04:06] <Kamion> _Hiro_: that'll go into the current development suite
[04:06] <_Hiro_> ah nice
[04:06] <Kamion> e.g. hoary in this case
[04:07] <robertj> az: it's also helpful for pointing out the burn button to people
[04:07] <_Hiro_> so... does k3b work on ubuntu? :P
[04:07] <jdub> _Hiro_: you can install it from universe, yes
[04:07] <robertj> in 10.3 when you put in a CD-R it has the little burn icon on the disk
[04:07] <Kamion> _Hiro_: it's in universe
[04:07] <_Hiro_> woohoo :D
[04:08] <az[a] zel> I think there really isn't a need for a CD burning application..... there should be a burning API, so any app that wants to burn to CD can do so in its own interface
[04:08] <neill> Kamion: don't think it's daily
[04:08] <Kamion> _Hiro_: not what you might call heavily tested, though; it only became installable a couple of days ago
[04:08] <az[a] zel> for burning files, just use nautilus
[04:08] <neill> Kamion: it's the default amd64 iso
[04:08] <robertj> If empty trash is under file, why isn't eject CC
[04:08] <_Hiro_> Kamion, well I just need a little something to burn dvdr, k3b did that fine before :)
[04:08] <robertj> err Eject CD
[04:08] <Kamion> neill: fair enough; if you get a chance to give a current daily a try at some point to make sure it detects the disks properly (you don't have to do a full installation, just run up to partitioning), I'd appreciate it
[04:08] <jdub> _Hiro_: nautilus will do that for you :-)
[04:09] <robertj> From a usability standpoint the Computer Menu probably isn't so great.
[04:09] <_Hiro_> are the audio-channels unmuted by default on install? o_O   ;)
[04:09] <robertj> In 10.2, people never use the Go menu, which is similar
[04:09] <jdub> we'll be making a couple of changes to it
[04:09] <Kamion> _Hiro_: supposed to be, I think there may still be a few bugs on some systems
[04:09] <az[a] zel> I've never used the go menu
[04:10] <_Hiro_> wooh :P
[04:10] <az[a] zel> I like the sidebar in finder
[04:10] <robertj> People respond much better to "Click the smiley face," after which they see most of the thigns that used to be in the Go Menu
[04:10] <_Hiro_> I'm going to feel spoiled
[04:10] <robertj> also in 10.3 command-U opens utilties ;)
[04:10] <az[a] zel> a decent sidebar for accessing things quickly would be good for nautilus.. it can display common locations as well as mounted volumes... like Finder :)
[04:10] <_Hiro_> too bad about mono, I use muine currently
[04:11] <jdub> _Hiro_: tseng has a repo of updated mono stuff
[04:11] <robertj> The Places menu needs to play nice with the Computer & File Dialogs
[04:11] <jdub> _Hiro_: we may include mono in our next release
[04:11] <_Hiro_> rhythmbox tends to fail for me... or is it gstreamer :/
[04:11] <toothpick> my java is working with opera...but not firefox yet
[04:11] <_Hiro_> that would be nice :)
[04:11] <az[a] zel> the new gnome file dialogs have a sidebar of common locations.. but nautilus doesn't.. why not use the same concept for all file management?
[04:11] <_Hiro_> will there be a forum on the website?
[04:12] <_Hiro_> you see, I use gentoo right now (don't hit me m'kay :s ) and their forum is great for finding solutions to problems
[04:13] <robertj> :)
[04:14] <robertj> Big flops in OS X usability are the Documents, Movies, Music, and Pictures directories
[04:15] <robertj> ~ 50% split things randomly between desktop and Documents, 25% pick one or the other (usually the desktop) and a very few put things in the proper places
[04:17] <robertj> My Desktop tends to be a collection of PDF's that I haven't gotten around to trashing yet and .tgz/bin images and their contents (usually relating to various install programs)
[04:17] <Deft_u> robertj, Ubuntu has sort of has a Documents folder, so if you could come up with a bug/something that could well be useful...
[04:17] <robertj> The point being is that Documents folders really don't work that well
[04:17] <robertj> Also in OS X, noone has any clue what the Library is for
[04:17] <trukulo> sorry
[04:17] <trukulo> nick problems here
[04:18] <robertj> The world would be a better place if there was ~ and ~/Settings
[04:18] <Deft_u> damn right, that was big in plan for a new distro
[04:18] <Deft_u> no more .folders all over the place
[04:18] <Kamion> urgh, ~/Settings is bong
[04:19] <Kamion> .files are my friends
[04:19] <robertj> Kamion: but not your average user
[04:19] <Kamion> the average user doesn't edit settings files directly
[04:19] <Kamion> for the rest of us, Ubuntu is still Unix ...
[04:19] <robertj> After years and years we could probably teach users to rename the settings folder of misbehaving applications to keep them from randomly crashing
[04:20] <Kamion> _Hiro_: we will be doing fora, yes
[04:20] <robertj> Kamion: Your average user has applications that crash because their Library/dot file/registry keys are wrong
[04:20] <Kamion> robertj: they should report them as bugs :-)
[04:20] <Deft_u> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~psh103/distro/tree.html is my very improbable future
[04:20] <Kamion> applications shouldn't crash, full stop
[04:20] <robertj> Kamion: which is all well and good, except for the fact they do
[04:20] <robertj> and were not talking little applications
[04:20] <robertj> were talking Office X, Safari, major apps
[04:20] <robertj> and OSS apps will crash too
[04:21] <Kamion> robertj: dotfile problems are a relatively rare cause for that in UNix
[04:21] <Kamion> Unix
[04:21] <Kamion> the right answer is to fix the bugs, not to give up
[04:21] <robertj> Kamion: The right answer is to do both
[04:21] <pestilence> could somebody explain how i get the oss compatibility drivers to load automatically in ubuntu?
[04:22] <robertj> Also, a rare few individuals do manage to use ~/Library/Fonts
[04:22] <david_> hi everyone
[04:22] <Kamion> robertj: disagree
[04:22] <pestilence> i've tried putting lines in /etc/modutils/alsa-base but it does nothing
[04:22] <Deft_u> pestilence, thry probably are, does you volume control not show two sets of mixers?
[04:22] <Kamion> "rename your settings folder" leaves a very bad taste in users' mouths
[04:22] <pestilence> Deft_u: there's no /dev/dsp, which is the problem
[04:22] <robertj> It also leaves a very bad taste to have an application crash that they can't fix
[04:22] <Kamion> it should never be a proffered solution
[04:23] <pestilence> Deft_u: snd-pcm-oss
[04:23] <pestilence> is not loaded
[04:23] <Deft_u> pestilence, does modprobe snd_pcm_oss produce errors?
[04:23] <pestilence> Deft_u: no
[04:25] <pestilence> and everything works fine after i do that....i just need to get that module loaded automatically
[04:25] <Deft_u> ok, quick fix is to add it /etc/modules then, just add that name on a line of the file by itself
[04:25] <pestilence> there is a line in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian that tells me a about it
[04:25] <pestilence> but i did what it says, and that didn't help
[04:26] <robertj> pestilence: you need to add it to one of the files in /etc/modules and then run a program
[04:26] <robertj> which rebuilds the system file actually read by the system
[04:26] <pestilence> i did that
[04:26] <pestilence> i put it in /etc/modutils/alsa-base
[04:26] <pestilence> and ran update-modules
[04:26] <robertj> then check the /etc/modules file and see if the line you need is actually in there
[04:27] <robertj> might also check to see if it has been blacklisted
[04:27] <pestilence> in /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[04:27] <david_> I need some help, could anyone help me out?
[04:27] <david_> just a simple question
[04:27] <robertj> david: sure
[04:27] <Deft_u> someone will try
[04:27] <jdub> david_: that's what we're here for, ask straight up :)
[04:28] <david_> its about the root account
[04:28] <robertj> sudo -s passwd root
[04:28] <david_> i read the documentation
[04:28] <jdub> david_: it's disabled :-)
[04:28] <robertj> ;)
[04:28] <jdub> robertj: no, don't encourage that.
[04:28] <david_> ok, im gonna try it
[04:28] <david_> thanks
[04:28] <jdub> david_: don't do that
[04:28] <robertj> jdub: hehe ;)
[04:28] <jdub> david_: try using sudo
[04:28] <jdub> david_: and ignoring the root account
[04:29] <david_> don't work :(
[04:29] <jdub> what doesn't work?
[04:29] <david_> sudo -s passwd root
[04:29] <robertj> err doh
[04:29] <robertj> take out the -s
[04:30] <robertj> sudo -s gives you a shell as root
[04:30] <pestilence> so, does ubuntu use /etc/modprobe at all?  from the documentation it sounds like there was a switch from /etc/modules.conf to it in the 2.6 version of module-init-tools, but the file is empty
[04:30] <jdub> david_: don't set the root password
[04:30] <jdub> david_: you don't need to
[04:30] <david_> nothing, doesen't work
[04:30] <david_> any alternative?
[04:30] <scaroo> david_, use "sudo your_cmd"
[04:31] <jdub> david_: the first user on the system has sudo rights
[04:31] <scaroo> to exec the your_cmd  prog as root
[04:31] <jdub> david_: so for anything you need to do as root, type "sudo <command>"
[04:31] <jdub> david_: and type *your* password
[04:31] <david_> but it asks me for a passwd
[04:31] <jdub> yours :)
[04:31] <david_> oh
[04:31] <david_> ok, thanks
[04:31] <robertj> *fwap*
[04:31] <robertj> ;)
[04:31] <david_> im such a dumb
[04:31] <jdub> david_: nah, it's a bit different :)
[04:32] <david_> thanks anyway
[04:32] <david_> nice people here
[04:32] <hermes88> can anyone tell me how to change runlevel to 2?
[04:32] <hermes88> I can't get telinit to work
[04:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> default is 2
[04:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> jdub need some more help
[04:33] <hermes88> eh, well how to I exit x?  I'm trying to install nvidia drivers
[04:33] <pestilence> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:33] <hermes88> i've never used a debian distro before
[04:33] <pestilence> or stop :)
[04:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> ctrl +alt +F1
[04:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> ps -ef |grep gdm
[04:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> kill -9 pid
[04:34] <jdub> hermes88: listen to pestilence :)
[04:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> could be better ways ;)
[04:34] <robertj> hehe we should have a prettypleaseletmeout command
[04:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> I get this error when using rhythmbox: "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."
[04:35] <Deft_u> froma console, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[04:35] <Sameli> mepis has console login as an option in kdm
[04:35] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, is esd running ?
[04:35] <Sameli> which is nice IMHO
[04:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> scaroo yes
[04:35] <Kamion> gdm should have a "shut down graphical environment and go to console" button on the greeter
[04:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> seth@devil ~ $ lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[04:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> esd       4321       seth    5w   CHR       14,3              6897 /dev/dsp
[04:35] <Kamion> the question of how to do it is *so* frequently asked
[04:36] <robertj> It shouldn't be used that much
[04:36] <jdub> Kamion: hrm
[04:36] <Kamion> robertj: in real life it is, though
[04:36] <robertj> Not for joe schmoe
[04:36] <Kamion> people ask for it at least twice a day just in the places I read
[04:36] <pestilence> what is the advantage of using invoke-rc.d over just typing in the path to the script?
[04:36] <Deft_u> pestilence, I have no idea, but debian told me to...
[04:37] <jdub> Kamion: you don't tend to read knitting group lists though, to be fair :)
[04:37] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i'll be watin' here for some help
[04:37] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: ok, the problem is, i think, that esd has a lock on /dev/dsp, so you rtb cannot write to it
[04:37] <Kamion> jdub: my girlfriend reads knitting group lists and still often switches to a console when using Unix systems, so there :)
[04:37] <pestilence> Deft_u: it has roughly the same number of keystrokes, so i guess it must be personal preference :)
[04:38] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> scaroo if it is, how can the sound events be played??
[04:38] <jdub> Kamion: i'd try to claim my fiancee doesn't switch to consoles, but... well... yeah.
[04:38] <robertj> OS X doesn't require using the console but once in a blue moon
[04:38] <Deft_u> jdub, is esound planned to stay? alsa recommend dmix these days I think
[04:39] <jdub> Deft_u: we don't actually run esound on startup
[04:39] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, esd is the daemon that plays the sound events
[04:39] <jdub> Deft_u: if we can autoconfigure dmix, that'd be rad
[04:39] <jdub> Deft_u: but thus far, that seems almost impossible ;)
[04:39] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok, but should it play also music files?
[04:39] <Deft_u> jdub, well, I've only ever used one config and it seemed to work, guess I might look into it.  My main comp has an SBLive though, so I haven't thought about it much
[04:40] <Kamion> jdub: :-)
[04:40] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, launch gstreamer-properties
[04:40] <scaroo> then choose the esd output sink
[04:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> aaaahhh
[04:40] <jdub> Deft_u: yeah, let's just give everyone good sound cards ;)
[04:40] <scaroo> i think it will fix it
[04:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> that's what i was looking for
[04:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ty
[04:40] <Kamion> jdub: I think your fiancee might not count so much as an ordinary user :-)
[04:41] <scaroo> np
[04:41] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, is it working ?
[04:41] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yup
[04:41] <scaroo> cool !
[04:41] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i knew what i had to do
[04:41] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but couldn't find that
[04:42] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> oss to esd
[04:42] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> done
[04:42] <scaroo> speaking of output sink, i cannot set it to the alsa one, know issue ?
[04:42] <Deft_u> is anything bad going to happen if I remove discover?
[04:43] <robertj> hrmm, my bet is yes
[04:43] <robertj> I'd leave discover
[04:43] <Kamion> Deft_u: depends how lucky you feel
[04:43] <Kamion> we still partially rely on discover for hardware detection, as well as hotplug
[04:43] <Deft_u> well, my debian sid works fine on just hotplug
[04:43] <Deft_u> on this hardware anyway
[04:43] <Kamion> didn't say it necessarily wouldn't work - like I say, depends how lucky you feel :-)
[04:44] <tolo> Hi to all/Hola a todos
[04:44] <jdub> estoy buscando mis pantalones!
[04:44] <robertj> Chances of you losing your nic support are very low
[04:44] <robertj> worst case scenario is probably probing your nic driver back in and apt-get installing it again
[04:45] <Deft_u> nic is the most basic realtek thing, it always seems to work somehow
[04:45] <Deft_u> anyway, I'll reboot to see if starting with no /etc/modules will work, back shortly I hope
[04:45] <jdub> is "chit-chat" a well known colloquialism?
[04:45] <robertj> jdub: yeah
[04:46] <robertj> why do you ask?
[04:46] <jordi> even I know it.
[04:46] <robertj> it's not something I would say unless it was to scold a child
[04:47] <robertj> or even an adult perhaps
[04:47] <robertj> I guess I would find it acceptable as a transative form of chat ;)
[04:47] <jdub> jordi: ahr, ok
[04:47] <jordi> jdub: is it that day today?
[04:47] <trukulo> hi tolo
[04:48] <jdub> jordi: which day?
[04:48] <tolo> hi trukulo
[04:48] <jordi> SPEAK LIKE PIRATE DAY!
[04:48] <jdub> jordi: yes it is!
[04:48] <tseng> yarrrrr jordi
[04:48] <tolo> everything works fine, I am just waiting to atack JRE
[04:48] <jordi> aahrr!
[04:48] <scaroo> hmmm, juste a suggestion : root shell and user shell should use different gnome-term profiles to be easily identified, just my 2cts.
[04:49] <robertj> I'm not a big fan of the default gnome terminal profile
[04:49] <robertj> it's not any kind of gtk control, so having it be white seems silly when traditionally consoles have been black
[04:50] <scaroo> robertj, yeah, or maybe the colors should be in sync with the ones defined in the gtkrc
[04:51] <robertj> I think its better to be black
[04:51] <Deft_u> robertj, it should use theme colours...
[04:51] <tolo> trukulo: Do you know how often packets are updated in Universe?
[04:51] <robertj> maybe with a skull & crossbones on the root acct ;)
[04:51] <trukulo> tolo, when it will be stable, i think 6 months
[04:51] <trukulo> but i'm not sure
[04:51] <tolo> ok
[04:51] <jdub> tolo: only for bugfixes before we release (but they're not high priority)
[04:52] <trukulo> jdub, but only security fixes ?
[04:52] <david_> I guess they're updated pretty often, because im downloading anjuta 1.2.2
[04:52] <jdub> tolo: then, on the development branch, they will be synced every day from sid
[04:52] <trukulo> no newer versions?
[04:52] <Deft_u> robertl, at least on mine the "Default" profile uses theme colours...
[04:52] <jdub> trukulo: build fixes and so on, but not new versions
[04:52] <trukulo> jdub, perfect
[04:52] <jdub> trukulo: we are not doing security support for universe
[04:52] <tolo> jdub/trukulo, and developpment branch will be on Universe?
[04:53] <trukulo> jdub, ah, ok, that's interesting (and comprehensible)
[04:53] <trukulo> tolo, devel it's sid, more less
[04:53] <jdub> tolo: hrm, no; devel branch includes main and universe
[04:53] <scaroo> Deft_u, my default is just plain white with black text, whatever is my theme
[04:53] <tolo> I thought the release will be with SAreg
[04:53] <tolo> sarge
[04:53] <jdub> tolo: no, ubuntu is based on sid
[04:54] <trukulo> tolo, ubuntu ALWAYS is being based in sid
[04:54] <tolo> jdub: thx, ok
[04:54] <siretart> will ubuntu include java environments like sun jdk oder blackdown java?
[04:54] <trukulo> so , main is supported, universe is not supported, both of them are freeze of sid
[04:55] <jdub> siretart: potentially later on, in restricted, but we want to be as fully free as possible
[04:55] <trukulo> siretart, i don't think so, unless they are free
[04:55] <trukulo> perhaps gjcwebplugin
[04:55] <jdub> siretart: there's a longer answer to this in the FAQ
[04:55] <trukulo> when it works weel
[04:55] <trukulo> well
[04:55] <jdub> yeah
[04:55] <robertj> jdub: how does Ubuntu freeze?
[04:55] <tolo> Now my only TODO is to intall JRE
[04:55] <trukulo> jdub, i like that way, it's very inteligent
[04:56] <jdub> robertj: we stop syncing with sid
[04:56] <robertj> I meant in terms of timeline
[04:56] <jdub> see the release schedules
[04:56] <trukulo> jdub, umm, not exactly sid, isn't it?
[04:56] <jdub> wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[04:56] <jdub> trukulo: it's sid frozen a couple of months ago
[04:57] <tolo> Ubuntu is getting a lot of good tal at a Spanish LUG called Bulma, there are a lot of people sng Ubuntu there and saying good things
[04:57] <trukulo> because gnome 2.8 it's not in sid, as i know
[04:57] <jdub> trukulo: yeah, there are some extra things we do
[04:57] <trukulo> tolo, and badopi
[04:57] <jdub> tolo: cool :-)
[04:57] <jdub> tolo: do you know carlos perello marin?
[04:57] <siretart> jdub: i think you refer to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387. well, how can I check (beside installing ubuntu) whats ins restricted?
[04:57] <trukulo> tolo, are you bulmero?
[04:57] <tolo> Solo de visita
[04:58] <tolo> :D
[04:58] <jdub> siretart: you can just look at the archive :-)
[04:58] <robertj> jdub: is that different from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releasecycle/document_view
[04:58] <trukulo> jdub, are you spanish?
[04:58] <jdub> trukulo: no
[04:58] <tolo> trukul I am at Palma, and I am at the distribution list
[04:58] <trukulo> ah, ok, but you like spanish
[04:58] <jdub> trukulo: but i have been to spain for guadec :)
[04:58] <tolo> but I don't go to kdd
[04:58] <jdub> and i can speak some spanish
[04:58] <trukulo> tolo, i'm trukulo, i was on distribution list, and know i'm in badopi, in barcelona
[04:59] <trukulo> jdub, i never go to conferences, i'm very busy in my work
[04:59] <jdub> estoy buscando mis pantalones :-)
[04:59] <trukulo> jdub, preguntale a tu novio si los tiene
[04:59] <trukulo> lol
[04:59] <siretart> jdub: gna, i'm looking for something like http://packages.debian.org
[04:59] <tolo> trukulo: I will be at BCN on friday, work meeting, you will feel my Ubuntu there :D
[04:59] <jdub> siretart: oh right, not yet
[04:59] <trukulo> on next friday? where ?
[05:00] <trukulo> perhaps we can make a kdd
[05:00] <trukulo> i can tell to badopi ppl, and go to a bar
[05:00] <tolo> trukulo I am a lawyer working fo a firm in the Diagonal, I work in the Palma Ofiice and regularly we report to the branch in BCN
[05:01] <tolo> trukulo, Will be great, as the clients let me go.... :D
[05:01] <trukulo> tolo, umm, that's difficult :P
[05:01] <tolo> trukulo, Sure I will love it
[05:01] <trukulo> well, i live in sagrada familia, near diagonal
[05:01] <trukulo> if you want, tell me in trukulo(at)bulmalug.net , jabber
[05:02] <tolo> trukulo, difficult because you know now I am a lawyer and don't want your good name wasted? :D
[05:02] <robertj> jdub: also, does ubuntu have any way to warn users to apply updates?
[05:02] <trukulo> and perhaps celso is here in bcn
[05:02] <trukulo> tolo, i'm used to lawyers, do you know javier de la cueva?
[05:03] <trukulo> it's badopi member
[05:03] <trukulo> wel, time to lunch
[05:03] <trukulo> see you later here
[05:03] <trukulo> bye
[05:03] <jdub> robertj: nup, will do for hoary
[05:03] <tolo> trukulo, will get the flight tickets on monday so I will let you know
[05:03] <tolo> bye
[05:03] <trukulo> ok
[05:03] <jdub> Kamion: hey, how hackish is the scrollkeeper diversion during install?
[05:03] <jdub> Kamion: could we do the same with other things easily enough?
[05:03] <maswan> thom: Glad it helped (the bittorrent scripts). I guess this is the appropriate channel. ;)
[05:05] <andred> How do you remove an icon for a a server that you have connected to in Network? Such as a WebDav connection, or ssh connection.
[05:05] <jdub> andred: we have a bugfix coming for that soon
[05:05] <andred> Aha
[05:05] <robertj> jdub: I must be looking at the wrong thing as I am still confused about the release timeline
[05:05] <jdub> robertj: what's unclear?
[05:06] <jdub> wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[05:06] <andred> jdub, Will it work to drag it to the Trash applet then?
[05:06] <jdub> ^ looking at that?
[05:06] <cc> jdub: so, where's planet canonical? ;-)
[05:06] <jdub> andred: no, gnome doesn't do unmount-by-trashing
[05:07] <jdub> cc: planet ubuntu is on the wya
[05:07] <cc> jdub: ok. just checking
[05:07] <Deft_u> andred, hopefully you can just right click and select unmount
[05:07] <jdub> not on those icons
[05:07] <jdub> (yet)
[05:08] <robertj> jdub: like is freeze done 6 months out?
[05:09] <cybrjackle|lappy> does debian not have an /etc/rc.d/rc.local anymore?
[05:09] <cybrjackle|lappy> or is that ubuntu specific
[05:09] <jdub> robertj: no, see the UpstreamVersionFreeze
[05:11] <Deft_u> cybrjackle|lappy, debian doesn't have /etc/rc.d/ at all
[05:11] <tolo> For ripping in mp3 and ogg, do you recomend GRIP or o you know of a better app?
[05:11] <robertj> jdub: yeah, that's what I'm after
[05:12] <robertj> is that date listed anywhere for warty yet?
[05:12] <robertj> or has it already occured
[05:12] <Livewire|> GRIP-age is the way forward
[05:12] <Livewire|> its a good p[rog if u config it
[05:12] <Deft_u> tolo, if it does what you want, soundjuicer is just about as easy to use as it could be
[05:12] <tolo> Deft_u and does ogg ad mp3?
[05:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> Deft_u, I thought they used to, oh well
[05:13] <Livewire|> tolo have u tried the FLAC codec?
[05:13] <Livewire|> lossless audio ;)
[05:13] <maswan> thom: If you have improvements, feel free to send them back. If they end up fairly general, I might put them up somewhere public and slap a license onto it or something like that.
[05:14] <tolo> Livewire, No i don't, have not heard about it, but on the car I have and mp3 cd
[05:14] <doko> evolution question: is there a way to run the filters on mailboxes which are located on an imap server, for every mail that gets delivered to the Imap INBOX folder?
[05:14] <tolo> I start soundjiucer, but does not seem to have support fr mp3, will investigate that
[05:15] <Livewire|> http://flac.sourceforge.net/ Tolo check it out .. it may not be of any use to u.. but its a damn good codec
[05:15] <jdub> tolo: sound-juicer! :)
[05:15] <tolo> jdub, yes but MP3 is diabled in my computer under SoundJuice
[05:15] <jdub> doko: yes, you turn that on in the accounts settings
[05:15] <tolo> Will inestigate why
[05:15] <jdub> tolo: oh right
[05:15] <jdub> because we don't include mp3 encoders or decoders
[05:15] <jdub> legal reasons
[05:16] <tolo> jdub but i am hearing an mp3 cd with rythmbox right now
[05:16] <jdub> gstreamer-mad is installed :)
[05:17] <tolo> Celtic Sounds of the Middle Earth a very good album
[05:17] <jdub> (that's a bit of a bug, really)
[05:17] <tolo> jdub es
[05:17] <hermes88> hey, how do I quit X?  I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers
[05:17] <tolo> jdub I thank for taht bug :D
[05:18] <[Scizo] > hmm .. no divx support in totem ?!?!?
[05:18] <jdub> hermes88: computer -> log out
[05:18] <jdub> [Scizo] : not as installed. install totem-xine.
[05:18] <hermes88> that takes me back to the login screen
[05:18] <jdub> hermes88: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:18] <hermes88> ok, thanks
[05:18] <[Scizo] > jdub, ah thanks
[05:18] <tolo> jdub, Can I install mpg123?
[05:18] <doko> jdub: nice, thanks. time to switch from firefox ...
[05:20] <tolo> ohh my god, so I can use flac in any normal mp3 player?
[05:20] <Livewire|> no tolo..
[05:20] <Livewire|> no portables supportt it AFAIK
[05:20] <Deft_u> jdub, SoundJuicer still has an old file selecter in it, is that allowed in ubuntu?
[05:20] <Livewire|> its good on the computer though
[05:21] <Livewire|> if u have a top end soundcard
[05:21] <Livewire|> and plenty of HD space
[05:21] <tolo> LiveWire Ok thx will try
[05:21] <Livewire|> theres a Grip plug in somewhere
[05:21] <Livewire|> btw average track takes up about 20-30mb
[05:22] <Livewire|> albums can take up about 300mb
[05:22] <Livewire|> in flac
[05:22] <hermes88> I have another question..  how do I log in as root through the terminal?  I need to be root to install the Nvidia drivers
[05:23] <hermes88> sorry, i've never used a Debian distro before
[05:23] <tolo> so I ca change repository to any Debian and install mpg123, this will be linked in Soundjiuce automatically?
[05:23] <Deft_u> hermes88, the root account it disabled, you either use sudo before every command, or run sudo bash for a root prompt
[05:23] <Chriffer> The root terminas option from the menu should do it
[05:23] <tolo> hermes88 As I remember from Universe you can install nvidia drivers
[05:23] <scaroo> hermes88, "sudo <cmd>, you ll be ask for a password, put youjr user's pass and you re done
[05:23] <keifer> speaking of loging in, I need to be able to run gdm in a nested window...
[05:24] <hermes88> ok, thanks guys
[05:24] <hermes88> I'll try it out
[05:24] <hermes88> also, once I have exited X, how do I restart it?
[05:24] <Deft_u> keifer, you need xnest
[05:24] <tolo> hermes88 but I am not completely sure, alot of install since yesterday night
[05:24] <keifer> Deft_u: thnx
[05:25] <hermes88> tolo yeah, I just installed this last night..  the only other distro I have used is Cobind Linux
[05:25] <hermes88> I'll try and install drivers right now
[05:25] <scaroo> hermes88, by default, if you quit a sesion, you should go back to the gdm prompt
[05:25] <keifer> if you manged to completly kill X, you can just type "gdm"
[05:25] <scaroo> s/sesion/session/
[05:25] <hermes88> keifer thanks a lot
[05:25] <tolo> hermes88 I have used Suse, RH and some Debian, and I will stick to Ubuntu, I really like it
[05:26] <hermes88> tolo I've used Red Had and Fedora briefly and I didn't like them.. too bloated
[05:26] <hermes88> thanks for all the help guys, I'll go try and install the drivers now
[05:26] <keifer> yeah, Ubuntu is great- the only problem is, it has a current GDM, so know cfg is going to make me update my gdm themes. :P
[05:27] <jonathan_j> Did someone try to type japanese in Ubuntu?
[05:28] <jonathan_j> I think SCIM should do that somehow but I have no idea how to use it.
[05:28] <albert001122> hi guys - i have installed ubuntu and have dist-upgraded to current sid.  Now I want to install KDE.  Will #apt-get install kde do it? or do i need any thing extra before i do that?
[05:30] <bolivar> you need to add the universe repository to sources.list
[05:30] <albert001122> bolivar, what is universe repository?
[05:30] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ah btw
[05:31] <scaroo> albert001122, you ll find there all the unsupported packages
[05:31] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ubuntu doesn't have a splash img for the grub ?
[05:31] <albert001122> scaroo, kan i just install kde by doing apt-get install kde?
[05:31] <Deft_u> albert001122, from synaptic, go to the preferences / Repositories menu
[05:31] <albert001122> as i said i have dist-upgraded to current sid
[05:31] <hermes88> guys, I'm really lost as to how to install nvidia drivers
[05:32] <hermes88> I did ctrl-alt-F1 and logged into my user
[05:32] <hermes88> then I did sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux...etc.run
[05:32] <cef> albert001122: erm, why are you asking here if you've upgraded to sid?
[05:32] <hermes88> the installer started, but it said X was still running
[05:32] <albert001122> cef, yeah u r right
[05:33] <Deft_u> hermes88, the nvidia driver is in apt archive
[05:33] <hermes88> how would I go about getting it?  I can't find the search function on apt-get
[05:33] <bolivar> albert001122: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:33] <Deft_u> that's the easy way, it's linux...restricted something or other, just search for restricted in synaptic
[05:34] <hermes88> Deft_u how do I search in apt-get??  I can't find the command
[05:34] <Deft_u> hermes88, run the synaptic package manager
[05:34] <Chriffer> use the graphical program
[05:34] <Chriffer> or apt-cache search
[05:34] <jsc> or apt-cache search nvidia
[05:34] <jsc> :)
[05:34] <Deft_u> the package is linux-restricted-modules-yourkernelversion
[05:35] <hermes88> Deft_u I'm in the synaptic package manager, and I've found several nvidia entries
[05:35] <hermes88> Deft_u should I get nvidia-glx?
[05:35] <Deft_u> ignroe them, just get the restricted modules package, it'll ge you all the things you need
[05:36] <hermes88> I think I already have it installed for 386
[05:36] <Deft_u> actually, you might need to select nvidia-glx separately as well...
[05:37] <hermes88> Deft_u I alrady have restricted-modules installed
[05:37] <hermes88> Deft_u after installing nvidia-glx, do I have to make changes to etc/X11?
[05:37] <Deft_u> ok, then you just need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:38] <Deft_u> select nvidia as your driver, unselect glx and dri (?!) in the modules list thing, and accept everything else as it is
[05:38] <scaroo> yep dri should be disabled
[05:38] <_Hiro_> you glx for nvidia and dri for ati
[05:38] <hermes88> thanks, i'l give this a try and come back if I have problems
[05:38] <Deft_u> one thing first
[05:39] <hermes88> ok
[05:39] <cybrjackle|lappy> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-686-smp
[05:39] <Deft_u> when you next reboot, x migh tnot start, i that happens you need to add the line "nvidia" to your /etc/modules file and reboot again
[05:39] <cybrjackle|lappy> ^anyone have to remove/install that everytime they reboot
[05:40] <_Hiro_> still /etc/modules?
[05:40] <cybrjackle|lappy> for "nvidia"
[05:40] <hermes88> also..  why do two terminal windows open when I right-click and select "Open Terminal"?
[05:54] <Sameli> would it be possible/difficult to install ubuntu from an existing Linux installation?
[05:55] <bolivar> yes it would
[05:55] <Chriffer> Possible yes, difficult maybe, worthwhile doubtful
[05:55] <bolivar> its not even 'recommended' to upgrade from a debian install
[05:56] <Sameli> I don't mean to upgrade, I'd just rather not waste CDs if it's avoidable :)
[05:57] <bolivar> just one iso : )
[05:57] <Sameli> I know :>
[05:57] <bolivar> oh come now sameli hehe
[05:57] <bolivar> what are you running now?
[05:58] <Sameli> right now W2K, last night I installed Debian sarge
[05:58] <bolivar> dual boot then?
[05:58] <Sameli> yes
[05:59] <bolivar> only been one day...install over top
[06:00] <Sameli> I've got enough free space, not sure if I'll be wanting to ditch Debian just yet
[06:00] <bolivar> whys that?