[14:01] <smoser1> hey. if someone other than me wanted to look at
[14:01] <smoser1>  https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/413#pullrequestreview-425327276
[14:02] <smoser1> i'd appreciate it. i dont like giving people the runaround . if someone else is happy withthe existing PR then i'm fine too.
[14:38] <AnhVoMSFT> ugh I hate the github UI when posting comments - @Odd_Bloke I was trying to respond to your comment and somehow did cancel review by mistake and all my comments wiped
[14:41] <Odd_Bloke> AnhVoMSFT: UGH, bummer.
[14:44] <AnhVoMSFT> i posted my comment, happy to discuss further here if you would like
[14:44] <AnhVoMSFT> PR: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/369
[14:44] <AnhVoMSFT> @OddBloke What we have been seeing from some of our investigation into some of the latency issue during boot is slow DHCP response from DHCP server. The output of dhclient's stderr was the one that helped nailed it. In particular, we could see multiple DHCPREQUEST from dhclient (due to DHCP server being overloaded and not responded timely to the first DHCPREQUEST). In addition, we also
[14:44] <AnhVoMSFT> saw cases where DHCPOFFER was posted, but then DHCPACK arrived too late, which triggered dhclient to re-send DHCPREQUEST, etc...
[14:44] <AnhVoMSFT> So yes, even in the successful case, you could tell how many attempts it took for dhclient to actually negotiate the dhcp leases successfully. Ideally we would want to see a timestamp PER message of dhclient, but this is only available through journalctl (unless we stream the stderr pipe to cloud-init.log, which is going to be not trivial how the current code is setup)
[14:44] <AnhVoMSFT> I do agree we should log both success and failed path - I left a comment there about it as well.
[14:56] <smoser> Odd_Bloke: thanks for comment on #413
[14:57] <smoser> we really ought to make subp return a named tuple
[14:57] <smoser> with exit_code, out, err
[14:57] <smoser> or otherwise at least return exit code. because if you pass rcs= then it gets lost
[16:47] <falcojr> do we have something like "lxc-proposed-snapshot" but lets you pass in an arbitrary deb? I'm wanting to run cloud init in a VM based off a particular commit
[16:50] <falcojr> s/VM/container
[16:52] <smoser> it feels like i've done that before...
[16:52] <smoser> for sure you can point it at a ppa and it wil do the right thing
[16:52] <smoser> slower for sure
[16:54] <smoser> falcojr: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/tree/debian/tests/patch-image
[16:54] <smoser> thats where i've done it before...
[16:56] <smoser> you shoudl add that to patch-image (which lxc-proposed-snapshot calls). and then it'd be functional in either lxc-proposed-snapshot or get-proposed-cloudimg
[16:56] <smoser> sorry. above, s/patch-image/uipdate-root/
[16:57] <falcojr> interesting, I'll have to play with that
[16:57] <falcojr> thanks
[16:57] <smoser> yeah.. so it looks like you'd have to add the "copy debs" stuff in lxc-propsoed-snapshot and get-proposed-cloudimg
[16:57] <smoser> and then add some '--install-debs' or '--install-debs-dir' to update-root
[16:58] <smoser> thanks for your work on cloud-init. from this point of view it looks like you're doing great.
[18:38] <pleusmann> HI. I am trying to use cloud-init with CentOS 7. I need to use it for network-config: I need to get the ip for an interface by DHCP, but I need to manually set the nameservers.
[18:40] <pleusmann> I added a network-config in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/ but it seems to get ignored. In the logfile I see it being written to the ifcfg-script but there are no nameservers set :(
[18:42] <pleusmann> Sorry, I cannot paste the exact config easily as I am on a vmware console. I used networks v2, with ethernets, dhcp: true and addresses for two nameservers
[18:44] <pleusmann> Is there anything I have to care about?
[18:44] <pleusmann> It would also be fine for me to not have managed network by cloud-init, but disable-networking also doesn't have a noticeable effect.
[19:00] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: Updated https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/391/ to address your comments _except_ for the pass to see if we can use any existing libraries instead of our own homegrown code, I'll do that now.
[19:05] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: ok, cool
[19:06] <rharper> pleusmann: can you share your v2 config you'd like to deploy with (or something similar) ?
[19:09] <pleusmann> Odd_Bloke: I have to share a screenshot: https://ibb.co/SXDpnSS
[19:13] <rharper> pleusmann: looking
[19:13] <rharper> good enough
[19:13] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, I am working on the nic manual testing for ec2 instances and I fought that having at least 3 nic would make the test better. However, it seems that the t2.micro does not support more than 2 network interfaces
[19:14] <powersj> yaml and spaces...
[19:14] <lucasmoura> An error occurred (AttachmentLimitExceeded) when calling the AttachNetworkInterface operation: Interface count 3 exceeds the limit for t2.micro
[19:14] <lucasmoura> Should we choose another machine or testing with only 2 network interfaces is enough ?
[19:15] <powersj> lucasmoura, fwiw here are the limits: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using-eni.html
[19:15] <powersj> rharper, does that yaml look valid? or should ens160 be one more space in?
[19:16] <rharper> powersj: I think it's valid;
[19:16] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: for testing if you'd like to test 3 nics I think you can do t2.small for your test
[19:17] <lucasmoura> powersj, thanks for the info =)
[19:17] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, ack
[19:18] <blackboxsw> and lucasmoura bringing up a bigger instance temporarily to validate specific tests is ok as far as costs, we just don't want to leave bigger instances running long
[19:18] <rharper> pleusmann: ah, that's right;  since you have DHCP configured, cloud-init does not render DNS entries ;;; the expectation is that DNS info will be provided by DHCP response
[19:19] <pleusmann> rharper: It provides the wrong ones :(
[19:19] <rharper> can you use static ip instead ?
[19:19] <pleusmann> nope
[19:21] <rharper> ok, so netplan does allow for dhcp-overrides section , I don't think cloud-init net rendering checks for dhcp-overrides when rendering different outputs though;
[19:21] <rharper> you would want: to add a dhcp4-overrides: {'use-dns': 'false'}
[19:22] <rharper> but cloud-init isn't yet looking at dhcp overrides so that it would properly emit the dns entries that are being ignored
[19:23] <pleusmann> Ok, I understand I am on an edge case and hopefully will get that dhcp-server fixed. Nevertheless I guess the usecase is valid. Hope you can put it on the backlog
[19:23] <rharper> pleusmann: please do file a bug if you have time
[19:28] <pleusmann> rharper: Where is your bug database?
[19:30] <meena> pleusmann: in the topic
[19:30] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug
[19:32] <pleusmann> found it. thx
[19:37] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: review on your chef schema for monday https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/375#pullrequestreview-425558648
[19:37] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, ack
[19:37]  * blackboxsw goes down the active review queue for cloud-init the rest of the day (checking SRU PRs too)
[19:58] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, is it xenial that we should check the network config on a different path than /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml ?
[20:01] <blackboxsw> falcojr: did you see that rharper already had a pr up for this https://trello.com/c/Jk4enIi0/43-09fea85fhttps-gitlaunchpadnet-cloud-init-commit-id09fea85f-1870421http-padlv-1870421-net-ignore-renderer-key-in-netplan-config-3
[20:01] <blackboxsw> was that what you referred to in standup?
[20:02] <blackboxsw> I just landed PR https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/100
[20:02] <blackboxsw> which I think mapped to that test
[20:03] <falcojr> yeah, that's what I mentioned this morning
[20:03] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: yes xenial should be /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init.cfg
[20:03] <blackboxsw> falcojr: ok I'll put that rharper guy on that card and mark it done.
[20:03] <blackboxsw> :/
[20:03] <blackboxsw> :)
[20:03] <rharper> blackboxsw: =)
[20:03] <rharper> I need to grab another one,  but I can't see the board
[20:04] <blackboxsw> rharper: yeah I mentioned that in standup, we might want to open up that board and make it public given that we have an amazing cloud-init community helping with SRUs ;)
[20:04] <rharper> blackboxsw: hehe
[20:04] <blackboxsw> not sure how to go about that at the moment.
[20:05] <rharper> yeah, no worries about the board;  if you tag me in here with the bug, I can work through a few at a time
[20:08] <blackboxsw> will take it up w/ rick_h and team on Monday  to see what folks think. in the meantime, some that look good for rharper:
[20:09] <blackboxsw> sru verification requests: https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/commit/?id=46cf23c2 and https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/commit/?id=723e2bc1
[20:09] <blackboxsw> figured storagey would be good ?
[20:10] <rharper> ack
[20:11] <pleusmann> rharper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1882300
[20:12] <rharper> pleusmann: cool, thanks
[20:27] <pleusmann> will cloud.cfg somehow be rewritten on first boot after installation of cloud-init? I added disable-network-config directives to the end of the file, but they are gone after first boot. on subsequent boot they seem to persist
[20:28] <pleusmann> "network-config=disabled" kernel parameter doesn't seems to be respected, BTW
[20:34] <rharper> pleusmann: cloud.cfg files are not removed/overwritten; it's a permanent config;
[20:34] <rharper> pleusmann: typically, network-config is provided by platforms on a per-instance basis;  so on OpenStack or Ec2 or Azure, cloud-init queries the metadata service for a network-config that describes the config for this instance
[20:35] <rharper> more static datasources, like NoCloud or ConfigDrive, include a network-config in their meta-data;  but statically; it has to be available locally (as a file, part of the datasource attached to the instance)
[20:36] <rharper> pleusmann:  there was a recent bug w.r.t the kernel cmdline disable, you have to base64 encode it on older versions of cloud-init (not sure what you're running right now)
[20:36] <rharper> if you're on centos7, you might try out our daily rpm builds to see if things are working better  there, https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/
[20:37] <pleusmann> I am preparing a vsphere template. later they a running "nocloud", but I experience this behavior when running the initial container. no non-local datasources attached
[20:37] <rharper> well, nothing in cloud-init itself deletes files in /etc
[20:37] <rharper> so not sure what you're seeing
[20:38] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1862702
[20:42] <pleusmann> rharper: Do I get it right, that "network-config=disabled" only works in quite recent builds, but base64-encoding the yaml-equivalent works in older releases?
[20:43] <rharper> pleusmann: for kernel command line, yes
[20:44] <pleusmann> Ok. Thanks. Probably I'll just get that damn DHCP-Server fixed ;)
[20:44] <pleusmann> Thanks for your help, anyway
[20:45] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, should we terminate the instance after performing the test ? Currently, the ec2-sru template does not do that, but is there is a reason for not terminating ?
[20:46] <falcojr> blackboxsw: where did you get those issues you just gave to rharper ?
[20:46] <falcojr> I'm not seeing them on our board and I thought our board had everything we had accounted for after being scrubbed
[20:49] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I grabbed them from https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/100https://trello.com/c/Jk4enIi0/43-09fea85fhttps-gitlaunchpadnet-cloud-init-commit-id09fea85f-1870421http-padlv-1870421-net-ignore-renderer-key-in-netplan-config-3 and I put rharper's head on them, but I was going to chat with you lucasmoura and Odd_Bloke to see if we want to keep spinning out separate cards for each item in that
[20:49] <blackboxsw> verification list or just assign each item from that verification checklist and "check" the checkbox once a PR lands related to it?
[20:51] <blackboxsw> falcojr: Odd_Bloke lucasmoura what would you prefer, ejecting each item to separate cards in the SRU Verification lane, or separate cards we can mark as closed
[20:52] <blackboxsw> sorry my cut-n-paste leaves a lot to be desired: if you open up the card https://trello.com/c/g8Wf4n6c/9-create-trello-cards-for-each-commit-that-could-represent-a-functional-change-to-ubuntu  you can see rharper's avatar on 2 checklist items
[20:53] <falcojr> yeah, I just found the card cause that was a fun link :D
[20:53] <blackboxsw> do you prefer this approach to allocating ownership, or "convert to card" to kick that item out of the list
[20:54] <blackboxsw> I want to cut down on pointy clicky work related to this, so whatever's easier. And we'll talk post SRU with rick about the biggest pain points with this SRU (as it's a big one) to see how we can make this process easier/simpler
[20:54] <falcojr> since we can put our heads on checklists, I'm fine with just the checklist, but don't have strong opinions either way
[20:54] <Odd_Bloke> I'm happy to follow what you folks decide.
[20:54] <lucasmoura> I am fine with the checklist as well
[20:54] <blackboxsw> yeah the heads on checklists is a newer trello feature. ok let's do that, and when the PR is merged, we'll just tick the checklist item
[20:55] <blackboxsw> then the lane stays smaller
[20:55]  * falcojr thumbs up
[20:55] <blackboxsw> and we have less copying
[20:55] <blackboxsw> thx
[20:55] <falcojr> and you pruned this list already, correct?
[20:55] <falcojr> geez, I thought we were almost done with the manual tasks
[20:56] <rharper> two paths, manual platform tests, and then *per bug fix* verification
[20:57] <rharper> the latter is the long pole since the previous SRU was  a while back
[21:08] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: review on https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/99/files#diff-92de51f24fc6c44bb6d06af7734d8e34R34-R45 for monday
[21:08] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I did, but you have plenty of room to question whether something sounds like it may not need a verification test.
[21:09] <blackboxsw> I'm thinking we can punt anything that generally should be execised by typical cloud-init successfully completing without WARNING/traceback in normal boot logs.
[21:10] <blackboxsw> falcojr: as soon as I'm through SRU reviews I'll re-prune that list from top to bottom to see if I can eject any more from our SRU process
[21:11] <blackboxsw> falcojr: lucasmoura biggest/most critcal for SRU verification are the big cloud manual verification test runs
[21:11] <blackboxsw> above and beyond the individual verification
[21:12] <blackboxsw> because failure to succeed on cloud boot/upgrade/verification affect all VMs not just ancillary  features (and would result in us blocking the current SRU and respinning the upload with a fix)
[21:15] <blackboxsw> Whereas, with these individual feature verifications, if we find a bug in the feature during SRU validation, we have been known to categorize that as something which doesn't have to block the SRU and we can work it after the SRU is completes.
[21:23] <blackboxsw> also I'm going to start grabbing items from this queue today too.
[21:29] <blackboxsw> falcojr: minor change request for https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/101#pullrequestreview-425635894
[21:29] <blackboxsw> just to link all extra verification work to that SRU top-level readme
[21:29] <blackboxsw> and we'll land it
[21:30] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: were you working on [70dbccbb](https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/commit/?id=70dbccbb) [#1876312](http://pad.lv/#1876312) DataSourceEc2: use metadata's NIC ordering to determine route-metrics (#342) ?
[21:30] <blackboxsw> or something slightly different
[21:30] <lucasmoura> I am, but not on the individual SRU test
[21:31] <lucasmoura> both on the ec2 instance directly
[21:32] <lucasmoura> using the ec2-sru template for testing it
[21:32] <blackboxsw> sorry I don't follow?
[21:32] <blackboxsw> ahh you are doing that as part of extending the ec2 manual cloud test template?
[21:32] <lucasmoura> yes
[21:33] <blackboxsw> ok then, I'll take my face off that card, since it sounds like you are going to tackle part of that in the manual Ec2 test.
[21:33] <blackboxsw> and I'll grab a different item
[21:33] <lucasmoura> Okay
[22:06] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: If you're around, you might have the permissions on the repo to change the status check which blocks PRs from the old Travis CI one to the new Travis CI one; that would fix the issue I just updated the topic with.
[22:07] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, any idea where I would go to do that?
[22:07] <powersj> I see a webhook for travis-ci.org
[22:18] <smoser> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/416
[22:18] <smoser> it passes tox -e py3
[22:18] <smoser> but dont know more than that at the moment.
[22:20] <blackboxsw> holy moly. smoser going for karma :)
[23:05] <blackboxsw> falcojr: landed https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/101 thx
[23:21] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, I changed the status check, but I see 2x Travis CI builds on my PR
[23:25] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, actually this looks right now: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/418 so we'll need to re-check old merge requests


[04:40] <jrock2004> Installed nvidia current. nvidia-xconfig. Checked xorg.conf and its says to use nvidia. rebooted and did sudo nvidia-settings and it told me I was not using nvidia
[04:41] <jrock2004> lsmod | grep nvidia shows the module is loaded
[04:42] <jrock2004> thoughts?
[06:30] <rogerhc> Hi, how can I disable or delete the Guest login account in Xubuntu 13.10?
[06:31] <Unit193> Add allow-guest=false to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[06:31] <rogerhc> Thanks!
[06:32] <Unit193> Sure.
[12:19] <lennard_> hello
[12:21] <lennard_> can someone help me? my live usb stick isnt starting up it always says: "xubuntu gfxboot.c32 not a com32R image" and if im trying to trying to boot with this solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1964207 it gives me a Blackscreen
[12:23] <cfhowlett> lennard_, sounds like a nomodeset issue
[12:23] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset
[12:23] <lennard_> nomodeset?
[12:24] <lennard_> ok
[12:31] <lennard_> ok gonna give it a try
[12:35] <xubuntu> hello
[12:35] <xubuntu> im lennard_
[12:35] <xubuntu> it worked fine thx
[12:36] <Guest15356> hello
[12:36] <Guest15356> im lennard_
[12:36] <Guest15356> it worked fine thx
[12:45] <xubuntu623> i installed xubuntu 12.04 and it doesnt detect lan, any advice?
[12:48] <cfhowlett> xubuntu623, turn off and turn on networking to force recycle.  check the plugs.  check the cable
[12:48] <ObrienDave> check the router
[12:52] <xubuntu623> it all works here on winxp
[12:52] <xubuntu623> and used to work on some other xubuntu that i installed on other comp
[12:55] <cfhowlett> xubuntu623, I had a similar situation with mine.  I don't know what setting I messed with but one day ... no ethernet.  A few months later, POOF!  It came back.  Wish I could tell you exactly what/where/how but I don't know how I broke it or fixed it.
[14:24] <m1chael> when i plug in an external USB drive to my xubuntu 13.10, the desktop freezes for about 5 minutes... during this time, nothing is clickable on the desktop, but all apps, internet, all work fine... any ideas on this?
[15:00] <holstein> m1chael: i would look for and apply all upgrades, reboot if there is a kernel upgrade.. i would test the usb stick on other machines.. i would load up a live CD of anything other than ubuntu 13.10 and test on the same hardware. i would try and tail some log messages in TTY
[15:03] <junKa> I missed the question
[15:03] <junKa> plz c/p cause i face a similar problem
[15:04] <holstein> junKa: this is the question m1chael has posted 09:24 < m1chael> when i plug in an external USB drive to my xubuntu 13.10, the desktop freezes for about 5 minutes... during  this time, nothing is clickable on the desktop, but all apps, internet, all work fine... any ideas on this?
[15:06] <junKa> I have a saucy kernel bug where the first time I plug my usb 3g modem is is not recognized. I have to unplug and plug again for it to work.
[15:07] <GridCube> m1chael, is this freeze the first time you boot the computer, ie. you have not opened thunar yet?
[15:08] <holstein> junKa: i have seen that with usb networking devices.. is it a bug? or is it that the device is not supporting linux?
[15:08] <junKa> My usb modem worked perfectly with every previous releases and spins
[15:09] <junKa> I believe it has something to do with the saucy kernel
[15:09] <holstein> junKa: 12.04 is still supported
[15:10] <junKa> holstein, my usb works alright. It just not being recognized the first tiime I plug it in. I have to replug it to get to work which is kinda annoying
[15:12] <holstein> junKa: and, ideally, the device manufacturer would gurantee you support for the latest linux kernels.. but, that might not be the case, so you may have to work around some issues
[15:16] <junKa> Saucy also has memory leaks
[15:17] <junKa> the xubuntu at least not sure for others
[15:17] <holstein> junKa: the kernel is the same.. the sources as well..
[15:18] <holstein> junKa: could be certain applications are problematic
[16:19] <xubuntu069> Hello everyone, trying to get tor working and it says something on their site about about quantal, editing source lists and bla bla but I already installed it from the software center, just want it to run
[16:20] <ObrienDave> tor is in the repos?
[16:21] <xubuntu069> Whats that? Ive had xubuntu 12.10 for two days now
[16:24] <ObrienDave> ummm, that is NOT a good way to run tor
[16:28] <slickymaster> xubuntu069: please take a look at this http://www.webupd8.org/2013/12/ppa-updates-tor-browser-bundle-35.html?utm_source=chrome&utm_medium=popup&utm_campaign=chromeext
[16:39] <holstein> !tor
[16:39] <holstein> ObrienDave: ^
[16:40] <holstein> actually, i suppose that should be for xubuntu069
[16:40] <ObrienDave> yes, i am aware ;P
[16:40] <ObrienDave> LOL he seems to have *poofed*
[16:41] <xubuntu069> Yeah Ive tried that but problem is I know jack of linux and ubuntu, I dont know how to edit my source file etc
[16:41] <holstein> xubuntu069: its in the repos.. you dont need to edit the sources
[16:42] <ObrienDave> actually, if you want to run tor, I suggest looking into T.A.I.L.S.
[16:42] <holstein> xubuntu069: i suggest getting a live CD that might include tor already configured.. or just give yourself a bit more time to get used to the OS before trying to do advanced things.. or set something up similarly on the network side
[16:42] <holstein> tails is a live cd such as i suggested.. that, AFAIK, works well
[16:42]  * holstein +1 on tails live CD
[16:42] <xubuntu069> So any usb tails works on any OS?
[16:43] <holstein> xubuntu069: its not for an os.. its for the machine.. live, just like the xubuntu installer
[16:43] <ObrienDave> it is a stand-alone distro
[16:43] <holstein> xubuntu069: it will run without a hard drive in the machine.. with nothing to do with the OS that is installed
[16:43] <xubuntu069> Sweet
[16:43] <ObrienDave> you install it to a USB and run it from there
[16:44] <xubuntu069> Yeah ive read about it, seems less of a hassle until Ive learned more about ubuntu
[16:45] <ObrienDave> you installed ubuntu, right? tails is almost as easy
[16:46] <ObrienDave> d/l the ISO, burn to DVD, boot DVD, Install to USB stick, reboot, configure persistence
[16:46] <ObrienDave> easy peasy
[16:47] <xubuntu069> Alright, downloading it now, almost 1gig, is the entire tor network in there or something lol
[16:48] <Artemis3> hmm i would skip the dvd part :)
[16:49] <ObrienDave> that's the easiest way for someone so new to Linux
[16:50] <Artemis3> there is a windows proggie to put isos into usb sticks including unetboot in, can't be easier (in fact burning might fail, or they do the typical copy .iso into disc mistake)
[16:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've gotten spoiled with using dd with hybrid ISOs.
[16:52]  * ObrienDave has never had good luck going from USB to USB install
[16:52] <holstein> i have had no issues installing from a source to a destination.. even if both are USB
[16:52] <Artemis3> yes, that often works, there is even a windows dd thingie, but i found some machines actually need unetbootin for some reason
[16:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I managed a couple of usb to usb installs.
[16:53] <Artemis3> and in a few cases, unetbootin would fail but dd worked, its crazy enough (with older machines)
[16:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> On my eeepc 701, I have Linux Mint on a 16gb stick, and backbox on an 8gb SD card.
[16:54] <Artemis3> i have bodhi on mine for whatever reason, heh, it works. whats the use of backbox when you can just put the ppa and install all the programs?
[16:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't like using E17.  Hence the usb stick and SD card
[16:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> 3
[16:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've tried. It's 3gb max.
[16:56] <Artemis3> i also use a sd card but its for bulk data
[16:57] <Artemis3> im sure it was like 2.5 tops last time, could have grown later
[16:57] <Artemis3> the sd can be used for things like those annoying dictionaries
[16:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[18:14] <xubuntu383> hello
[18:14] <xubuntu383> can someone help me out?
[18:15] <holstein> xubuntu383: just ask, and see
[18:17] <xubuntu383> i am trying to install xubuntu, when the installation starts it gives me a notification that i am  offline, and the installation freeses
[18:17] <xubuntu383> i have tried the 12.04 and 13.10 amd64.iso
[18:17] <holstein> xubuntu383: i go to "try live", and see that the desktop is loading.. then, i install without installing any additional packages or codecs
[18:18] <xubuntu383> i only have this problem on this motherboard
[18:18] <xubuntu383> ok
[18:18] <holstein> xubuntu383: in all the "do you want to download extra" questions, i untick, or say no
[18:18] <xubuntu383> ik will try that
[18:22] <xubuntu383> xubuntu live also freezes
[18:22] <poeticrpm> how do you get notify-send to work with a command? I can notify-send 'Hello World' and it will popup fine, but what of commands? Im trying to do xbacklight -get and I cant seem to pin the syntax
[18:22] <holstein> xubuntu383: is the issue something is freezing?
[18:23] <holstein> !nomodeset | xubuntu383
[18:23] <holstein> xubuntu383: you can try that from the live CD and see if that helps
[18:23] <poeticrpm> ive tried this: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/12/ubuntu-notify-send/ but it doesnt seem to work
[18:24] <holstein> poeticrpm: when i do "notify-send something", something is printed. what are you trying to have printed?
[18:25] <poeticrpm> holstein: by 'something' do you just mean a word? say I try: notify-send uname -a
[18:25] <poeticrpm> it just says missing argument with -a
[18:26] <holstein> poeticrpm: notify-send "uname -a" prints literally "uname -a"
[18:26] <holstein> poeticrpm: but, if you are trying to get it to print kernel info, thats not a problem with notify-send
[18:27] <poeticrpm> holstein: yeah, trying to get a commands output. I used uname -a as an example. Im trying to actually get: xbacklight -get
[18:28] <poeticrpm> xbacklight -get returns 100.00000, but notify-send xbacklight -get returns "unknown option -get"
[18:30] <holstein> poeticrpm: this should get you started http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-get-notifications-your-scripts-notify-send
[18:31] <poeticrpm> holstein: thanks
[18:33] <esph> Did my previous message go through? I D/C'd right after.
[18:36] <holstein> esph: i see no messages from you in the scroll back
[18:41] <poeticrpm> holstein: must be an issue on my system. When I run the uptime example I just get 'uptime' as the printout under the title. Least I know its the computer
[18:41] <holstein> poeticrpm: well, you can start looking in the proper place, instead of troubleshooting like its a notify-send bug as well
[18:42] <poeticrpm> yeag
[18:43] <poeticrpm> yeah*
[18:44] <esph> holstein: Thanks. Guess I'll try again
[18:44] <esph> I've got a Lenovo U510, and Pulseaudio doesn't recognize the built-in mic. I've found a solution online that involves getting rid of Pulseaudio entirely, but that isn't ideal. So, any other ideas?
[18:45] <holstein> poeticrpm: i made it a little further with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1411620 actually
[18:45] <xubuntu383> holstein: i disabled intel rapid start and XHCI in the bios and now the installation seems to be working
[18:46] <xubuntu383> it only gave me a message about MSDOS GPT table
[18:46] <xubuntu383> thanks
[18:46] <holstein> poeticrpm: yeah, {notify-send LINUX "`uname -a`"} (witouth the {}'s of course) prints uname -a
[18:47] <holstein> esph: the device will be supported, or not.. its not an issue of isolating the internal mic
[18:47] <holstein> esph: i would install, apply all upgrades.. reboot, and try using "pavucontrol"
[18:47] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[18:48] <xubuntu383> now grub failed to install
[18:48] <holstein> xubuntu383: if you have custom partitioning, that could be likely
[18:49] <xubuntu383> can i fix that by formatting?
[18:49] <holstein> xubuntu383: if you are new to linux, i suggest sticking as much to defaul as possible.. if you want to try to install grub now to the installation where grub has failed, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:49] <poeticrpm> holstein, yeah, the only command I can get to work right is tail. I could just create a 50mb filesystem in ram, have a script touch a screen brightness file in it, then have my keyboard shortcut print the results to the file and tail that file with notify-send, but im looking for a more elegant solution
[18:49] <poeticrpm> haha
[18:51] <esph> holstein: I've got pavucontrol already. As far as the device being supported, do you mean by linux, or by Pulse? Various sources say that it's supported in linux, so it seems that Pulse is the problem for me.
[18:51] <holstein> esph: i dont agree. you are assuming pulse is the issue, and there are many other tests still to do
[18:52] <holstein> esph: when running pavucontrol, you get the software in quesiton running, then you go into pavucontrol, and try to connect the devices
[18:52] <holstein> esph: you will either see the mic or not.. i also dont trust *any* labels.. i try and connect *all* possible connections
[18:53] <holstein> esph: the support im referencing is alsa specifically.. you can see the ouput of what alsa is "seeing" by running "aplay -l" and/or "arecord -l" in a terminal
[18:54] <holstein> !audio | esph
[18:54] <esph> holstein: There are no available mics other than the internal monitor. Should I try that too? It seems extremely unlikely for that to be it.
[18:55] <holstein> esph: yes.. try *everything* trusting no labels
[18:55] <holstein> esph: it is actually extremely likely for things to be mislabeled... since the device vendor likely doesnt supply alsa with information about how to communicate with the device
[19:08] <esph> holstein: Alright, so the monitor was actually just a monitor. And alsa is definitely seeing things, but how do I know if they're the right things?
[19:10] <holstein> esph: i troubleshoot til i get the results i want.. try different settings everywhere.. AFAIK, lubuntu still doesnt ship with pulse, so you can fire up a lubuntu live CD and see if pulse is the issue
[19:11] <holstein> esph: you need to have the software running.. what are you trying to do?
[19:12] <holstein> esph: what would i do? open something like audacity or a capture application that i know well and that is supported well by linux and in the default repos, and get it running, then look in pavucontrol
[19:12] <holstein> esph: i would then plug each capture device and track down what it is, and how to use it
[19:12] <holstein> esph: is this an issue with the bios config? is it working with a microphone plugged in to any jack? etc..
[19:13] <esph> holstein: Like I said in the initial question, this is a built-in mic.
[19:13] <holstein> esph: sure.. try another one
[19:14] <holstein> esph: the folks directly responsible for providing you the support you need are not going to be able to, so, its really up to you to actively troubleshoot
[19:14] <esph> You're throwing things at me pretty fast now actually, lol. I'll get back to you when I've tried some of them.
[19:15] <esph> Thanks for offering so many suggestions
[19:15] <holstein> sure.. its challenging, for sure.. or can be..
[19:53] <rogerhc> Hi, I'm going to test install the Nvidia driver for my Nvidia GeForce GTX 645 video card on a Xububtu 13.10 fresh install. Default driver, nouveau, is working but not playing Minecraft as well as it might. Think I will try Settings > Additional Drivers > nvidia-319-updates, as Nvidia's website says that driver supports my GeForce GTX 645 video card. Any advice before I dive in?
[19:53] <holstein> other than knowing how to revert.. go for it
[19:54] <rogerhc> holstein, exactly my thought... how would I revert?
[19:55] <holstein> rogerhc: i always keep reinstallation and complete failure as option
[19:55] <holstein> rogerhc: i would try to get to TTY, or the recovery kernel.. or use an xorg.conf, or remove an xorg.conf
[19:58] <rogerhc> This is a fresh install of Xubuntu 13.10 and I have the live DVD on hand. Nothing to lose but some time... here goes... (I'm in IRC on my laptop and doing the test on my desktop)
[19:58] <holstein> rogerhc: sounds like a great place to start from
[20:16] <rogerhc> holstein, after I click "Apply Changes" for Settings > Additional Drivers > nvidia-319-updates, should I do anything before I restart? Do I have to make a xorg.conf are something first?
[20:17] <holstein> rogerhc: i dont think so..
[20:17] <rogerhc> okay, I'll try the restart
[20:22] <rogerhc> oops, I rebooted and after grub I get only test colors cycling on the monitor. How can I undo what I did?
[20:23] <holstein> rogerhc: i would try the recovery kernel
[20:24] <rogerhc> holstein, to try the recovery kernel, do I reboot and select it with grub?
[20:24] <holstein> rogerhc: correct
[20:25] <holstein> rogerhc: or, try TTY from the login or before it
[20:28] <rogerhc> so I reboot and select "recovery mode" in grub menu, right?
[20:28] <holstein> rogerhc: the tty method might work. the recovery kernel gives you that.. a recovery prompt
[20:29] <holstein> rogerhc: in the grub menu, which, either in preperation for potential problems you unhid or, you will show now with the shift key at boot
[20:31] <rogerhc> Interesting! My grub menu comes up automatically on startup. Is that not normal Xubuntu 13.10 behavior?
[20:31] <holstein> rogerhc: normal all depends on your configuration
[20:32] <holstein> if youa re asking "is something wrong?", nothing you have said makes me think anything is wrong
[20:32] <rogerhc> I did not configure it that I know of but just maybe a prior Debian 7.2 install configured it?
[20:32] <octetcloud> my laptop volume control stopped working in the last couple days after an xubuntu update, anybody else seen this?
[20:32] <holstein> rogerhc: i dont know your system.. but, if you are dual booting.. or who knows why
[20:33] <octetcloud> both the laptop keys no longer work, as well as the xubuntu volume control indictator plugin in the titlebar
[20:33] <holstein> octetcloud: i have seen things like that in the past. i would troubleshoot by trying as a different user.. if you think it was an upate, try booting the older kernel in the grub list
[20:34] <holstein> octetcloud: i would look in pavucontrol and in alsamixer in the terminal for a simple mute issue
[20:34] <octetcloud> ok, if it works as a different user, any suggestions?
[20:34] <rogerhc> Yes, I have dual boot setup with Windows 8 and a couple Linux distros
[20:34] <holstein> octetcloud: yes, i will have some
[20:35] <holstein> rogerhc: so, thats the simple explanation then
[20:39] <octetcloud> holstein: pavucontrol works, I can adjust the volume (it wasn't muted, it was just too low)
[20:40] <rogerhc> holstein, I rebooted in "recovery mode" and got a menu from which I selected "resume normal boot". That booted me into a monitor color test again. Any tips how to undo the video driver selection I did with Settings > Additional Drivers? Or what may have gone wrong?
[20:40] <holstein> octetcloud: cheers!
[20:40] <octetcloud> so, I have a workaround, but I'd like to be able to use the widget and the keyboard...
[20:40] <holstein> rogerhc: resuming normal boot will resume into the problem
[20:40] <holstein> rogerhc: you can try tty
[20:40] <holstein> !tty
[20:40] <holstein> rogerhc: or, te recovery console.. where, you will manually remove the driver and try again
[20:41] <holstein> octetcloud: not sure about the widget.. and the keyboard control
[20:43] <octetcloud> holstein: ok, too bad. but thanks for making my laptop not a brick! I do a lot of video/audio conf for work... it was going to be a dealbreaker for me
[20:44] <holstein> octetcloud: you can try the older kernel trick..
[20:44] <octetcloud> anybody know how to quickly change display output configuration? I have to run settings manager, scroll down to display, and enable/disable my miniDVI output every time after/before I hook the laptop up to my monitor... pretty slow
[20:44] <rogerhc> Hm, I did Ctrl + Alt + F1 and logged in as my user, the initial user with sudoer rights. How can I get back to the neoveau video driver?
[20:45] <holstein> octetcloud:  i use arandr.. but its manual like that..
[20:45] <octetcloud> holstein: i'll try the kernel. its a bit bemusing, because I wouldn't expect the kernel to effect the indicator widget. but when in the land of bugs... anything is possible
[20:45] <holstein> rogerhc: you will undo whatever you did.. removing the driver you installed
[20:45] <holstein> !ati | rogerhc
[20:47] <octetcloud> holstein: arandr? where do I get? is it equivalent to directly running xfce4-display-settings?
[20:47] <holstein> !info arandr
[20:47] <holstein> its in the repos.. its similar to the other tool if its working for you
[20:48] <holstein> octetcloud: sometimes there are keyboard shortcuts which do this with the bios.. but those may not be working for you
[20:50] <octetcloud> holstein: ok, just found, thanks. yes, similar.
[20:59] <esph> holstein: Well, after a bunch of messing around, I've been able to confirm that it works, but I can't get the volume to a useable level outside of Audacity, no matter how high I put the volume in pavucontrol and alsamixer. Do you know how it could be so much louder in Audacity than in other programs?
[20:59] <esph> It's even quiet in pavucontrol. Sounds barely register on the meter if I have it all the way up.
[20:59] <holstein> esph: what program? i mean, the device works if it works with audacity.. you can move on from "how do i make my mic work?" and look directly at said application, such as skype or whatever
[21:00] <esph> It doesn't work in skype or pavucontrol. I'd guess there might be related, since Skype uses Pulse for its audio
[21:01] <esph> these might be*
[21:01] <holstein> esph: where does it work then?
[21:02] <esph> Just in Audacity. For clarity: if I tap forcefully directly on the mic, it barely registers in Pavucontrol, and I can barely hear it in Skype.
[21:02] <holstein> esph: then, maybe you need to open, in the terminal "alsamixer", and again, trust *no* labels
[21:02] <holstein> esph: what i would be looking for is "micboost", though, i would tweak *everything* there
[21:03] <esph> Like I said, I've already tried turning things up in alsamixer. I guess I'll go through it again.
[21:03] <holstein> esph: you will be looking for a way to boost the level of the microphone. you will be doing this independent of any applicaton, and system wide
[21:03] <esph> Too bad I can't look at what Audacity is doing :/
[21:03] <holstein> esph: turning *all* things up in alsamixer? after pressing F5 to show all?
[21:04] <holstein> esph: you can look at what everything is doing.. audacity is grabbing the mic input
[21:04] <holstein> esph: could also be that mic boost is needed, but not supported by your device in linux
[21:05] <esph> Well, Skype, pavucontrol, and Audacity are all grabbing the mic input. It's only at a useable volume in Audacity though.
[21:05] <holstein> esph: ok.. so then, it *can* be made a useable level then.. pavucontrol is just for routing.. and level controls.. there are many sliders in there for you to try
[21:06] <holstein> esph: test with something frome the default repos.. not skype
[21:07] <nyRednek> if one is running precise, and wants to upgrade to saucy, need one update through each version?
[21:08] <holstein> nyRednek: thats the only way i know.. a fresh install is always preferred
[21:08] <nyRednek> i meant through the version upgrade utility
[21:09] <holstein> nyRednek: correct.. through that upgrade utility.. 12.04 to 12.10 to 13.04 to 13.10
[21:09] <holstein> nyRednek: if you wait, you can go 12.04 to 14.04
[21:09] <nyRednek> but if i waited for 14.04, the thing would just update from LTS to LTS
[21:10] <nyRednek> holstein: i'm having video issues...they never bothered me before, but they are starting to bother me now
[21:10] <nyRednek> holstein: it's directly related to the kernel version used in precise
[21:11] <holstein> nyRednek: then, use an older version.. sounds like it used to not bother you
[21:11] <holstein> should be many older ones in the grub menu
[21:12] <nyRednek> holstein: it always existed, but for a while, i didn't care
[21:12] <nyRednek> from the initial release of precise...
[21:12] <nyRednek> i think it last worked correctly on 10.04?
[21:12] <nyRednek> i've been using LTS for a while
[21:12] <holstein> nyRednek: i would have to have the hardware in front of me to confirm or agree with that
[21:13] <nyRednek> intel cedar bridge
[21:13] <nyRednek> with the 2.6 kernel, worked fine
[21:13] <nyRednek> the 3.2 kernel, not so much
[21:13] <holstein> nyRednek: try something live and see if it matters
[21:14] <holstein> no reason to assume 13.10 will be better
[21:14] <nyRednek> it was better on suse(different partition)
[21:15] <holstein> the partition difference is irrelevant
[21:15] <nyRednek> yeah, i know
[21:15] <nyRednek> suse had 3.5, i think
[21:15] <holstein> i would try a live CD for whatever you intend to use.. maybe even 12.04 as well, to remove your current installation from the equation
[21:16] <holstein> nyRednek: all the kernels have access to the same intel drivers
[21:16] <holstein> nyRednek: its easy to try 13.10 live.. and whatever reason makes you want to upgrade rather than a fresh install is a bad idea
[21:16] <nyRednek> holstein: maybe so, but cedar bridge wasn't a normal intel
[21:17] <holstein> nyRednek: you should have backups, and this would be a great time to get them in order
[21:17] <holstein> nyRednek: intel is intel.. intel is typically well supported.. intel provides the drivers to linux.. not just suse
[21:17] <nyRednek> holstein: i keep my /home separate from my installagion
[21:17] <holstein> nyRednek: which might be a good reason to try 12.04 live, to remove that from the equation
[21:18] <holstein> a seperate /home is no safer either
[21:18] <nyRednek> holstein: has same issues with full screen video
[21:18] <holstein> nyRednek: ok
[21:18] <nyRednek> where 13.10 doesn't
[21:18] <holstein> nyRednek: whatever your issues are. you can test with 13.10 live
[21:18] <nyRednek> already done this
[21:18] <holstein> nyRednek: ok.. so, a fresh install is the way then
[21:19] <holstein> thats my suggestion
[21:35] <xubuntu991> Xubuntu docs en español?
[21:35] <holstein> !es
[21:37] <xubuntu991>  Where I can found Xubuntu 13.10 manual in spanish?
[21:39] <xubuntu991>  Xubuntu 13.10 manual in spanish?
[21:40] <holstein> xubuntu991: i am looking please be patient, and see the above link
[21:40] <xubuntu991> thank you, I`m sorry
[21:41] <holstein> xubuntu991: estoy buscando. por favor sea paciente, y ver el enlace de arriba
[21:41] <xubuntu991> ok
[21:41] <holstein> xubuntu991: the spanish irc channel would be the best place to start.. also, the browser offers to translate the wiki for me
[21:42] <holstein> xubuntu991: if you are looking for a general "getting started", i would just get started.. just install, and start using it, and ask questions in the spanish language channel as they come up
[21:42] <Ilmen> Yo también esta buscando un poco.... encontré eso [https://wiki.fic.udc.es/_media/alumnos:reciclaxe:guia_xubuntu_2011-12.pdf] pero es para Xubuntu 10.04  :/
[21:43] <xubuntu991> Ok, I can do it in English too
[21:43] <xubuntu991> thank you
[21:43] <holstein> xubuntu991: when you visit http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/ it should offer to translate in your browser
[21:44] <xubuntu991> is not for me, is for somebody in her first time in linux
[21:44] <xubuntu991> but, thank you for your help
[21:44] <Ilmen> http://www.guia-ubuntu.com/index.php/Gu%C3%ADa_Xubuntu
[21:44] <holstein> xubuntu991: for any modern web browswer.. it should offer to translate
[21:45] <Ilmen> ^ eso parece bueno
[21:45] <xubuntu991> it is; si que es
[21:46] <Ilmen> :)
[21:50] <xubuntu991> Good night everyone, Thanks
[21:51] <Ilmen> You're welcome
[22:04] <esph> holstein: Just reporting back to say that it turned out to be a quirk in how Pulse handled the mic. I fixed it by unlocking the input channels and silencing the right side, while keeping the left side at normal levels.
[22:56] <xubuntu336> hey is anyone here? I have a question about installing xubuntu via USB. im building a computer and when i boot from the usb, the installer runs. i select "install xubuntu" and then i get this black screen with my mouse cursor.. is it installing..?
[22:57] <knome> unlikely; you should get a dialog that informs you of the process
[22:57] <knome> have you tried to go "try xubuntu" and install from therE?
[22:57] <xubuntu336> crap. umm let me see hold on
[22:57] <knome> or even first, see if the live environment works for you
[22:57] <xubuntu336> just reset
[22:58] <xubuntu336> ok im trying it without installing now
[22:58] <xubuntu336> im getting the xubunto logo with a loading circle under it
[22:59] <Slesa> Hi all, is there a howto for installing Oracle's JDK?
[22:59] <xubuntu336> yeah damn same screen now..
[22:59] <xubuntu336> cursor but nothing else
[22:59] <knome> xubuntu336, please, no need to curse
[22:59] <xubuntu336> sorry
[22:59] <knome> xubuntu336, what are your pc specs?
[23:00] <xubuntu336> 8 GB ram, 2 7950 GPUs, AMD dual core 64bit processor
[23:00] <xubuntu336> 3.2 ghzi think
[23:00] <knome> xubuntu336, have you googled if your GPU's are supposed to work with ubuntu/linux in general?
[23:01] <xubuntu336> yup, they definitely do. its for virtual currency mining.
[23:04] <xubuntu336> im gonna try to back up to 12.10
[23:12] <AndroUser> Hi all
[23:24] <xubuntu336> woo it workde!


[01:04] <Dorio_man> I sync a quickly directory to my desktop and now on the desktop I can't do quickly run.  Quikcly edit and quickly design are fine.    Just can't run it on the desktop
[01:04] <Dorio_man> This was using Ubuntu One.
[01:05] <Dorio_man> Any suggestions.  Maybe I need to do a quickly file like a .quickly too.
[08:26] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone! :)
[09:32] <Elpraga> Anybody here?
[09:33] <Elpraga> I have a question regarding ubuntuone on android
[09:54] <mandel> morning all!
[09:54] <mandel> Elpraga, hello, the best person to ask is karni
[09:54] <mandel> he is the one that takes care of the android app
[09:56] <Elpraga> Can he be found here?
[09:57] <Elpraga> karni: hello karni! Can You answer me something regarding the android app?
[10:02] <mandel> Elpraga, eh can, but I don't if he is online at the moment
[10:02] <mandel> Elpraga, you can ask him a question and I'm sure he will read the backlog whenever he is ready
[10:04] <Elpraga> O thanks!
[10:06] <Elpraga> karni: the question is if it is possible to add u1files to android sendto menu. (to be shown for exaple in ezpdfreader)
[10:08] <Elpraga> karni: the other question is when it will be possible to sync folders with the mobile app? Manual sync would be good enough..
[10:29] <rye> ping alecu
[10:30] <rye> alecu: what is the reason behind SD saying that node delta cannot be applied. Also, what's the expected action when this happens?
[12:48] <mandel> ok, lunch time for me :)
[12:48]  * mandel lunch
[13:05] <alecu> rye: hello!
[13:06] <alecu> rye: it means any number of reasons while applying the delta to one specific file
[13:06] <alecu> rye: the exact exception should be logged
[13:44] <karni> mandel: Thanks for talking to Elpraga. Hopefully he'll visit again, I came soon after he disconnected.
[13:59] <mandel> karni, no problem :)
[13:59] <mandel> alecu, morning!
[13:59] <karni> :)
[14:00] <alecu> mandel: hey! how's your head?
[14:00] <mandel> alecu, big an hairy :)
[14:01] <mandel> alecu, everything is ok, nothing bad happened so I'm back to work with no problem, I actually have been cleaning up the code after all those mps :)
[14:01] <alecu> mandel: I said "head", not "balls"!
[14:01] <mandel> alecu, those are also like that :P
[14:01] <alecu> mandel: :-)
[14:02] <alecu> mandel: so... yes, I saw all those clean up branches! great work!
[14:02] <alecu> mandel: I'll try reviewing a few of them later today.
[14:02] <mandel> alecu, great, I'll keep doing some more clean-up plus removing arc so that we support 10.6
[14:03] <mandel> alecu, there is a branch from diego that fixes the darwin tests that is worth looking at
[14:20] <joshuahoover> alecu: have you had a chance to look into bug #1025288 any further? this is the one rye filed and is a likely culprit for mysterious file deletion (well, moving to the trash)
[14:23] <thisfred> ralsina, everyone: dobey is without power
[14:23] <thisfred> might be a while
[14:24] <alecu> thisfred: ralsina is on vacations, but ack :-)
[14:25] <briancurtin> thisfred: do you know if he without it over the weekend? just before our EOD friday he was mentioning a storm rolling in, and he got what came through my area the night before which took out tons of power lines and trees
[14:25] <alecu> joshuahoover: I've been taking a hard look at the code that produces it, and I have some ideas, but I still have not found the bug proper.
[14:25] <joshuahoover> alecu: k, thanks...is it something you need help from one of the chicharra guys on?
[14:26] <rye> joshuahoover: hello by the way. Re: tomboy failling to update notes - i need to build a snowy api client that actually _writes_ the data, not merely reads to find the reason of the failure
[14:26] <thisfred> briancurtin, I think it just went out this morning
[14:26] <joshuahoover> rye: ah, ok
[14:28] <thisfred> briancurtin, but it's probably after effects of the storm. Unless it's a lot hotter in VA than here, and the grid is overloading.
[14:28] <briancurtin> all those people who live "off the grid" are chuckling to themselves right now (in their remote log cabins)
[14:29] <briancurtin> ...which doesn't sound all that bad right now
[14:30] <alecu> joshuahoover: facundo told me he could help, but since we've always been yielding those sync bugs so far, I think it's better if we try to get the hang of some of these bugs. But if it's too serious and affecting many people then perhaps we should escalate them.
[14:32] <joshuahoover> alecu: i'm not sure how many people are impacted but my suspicion is it's quite a few...maybe rye can add some insight? rye, i filed bug #1025288 based on your email to alecu...seems like this may impact quite a few users, any ideas?
[14:32] <joshuahoover> rye: http://pad.lv/1025288
[14:41] <rye> joshuahoover: hm... ah, that's from the e-mail. So, that's 100% reproducible and makes initial sync hang for all my UDFs I re-subscribed after client reinitialization (shutdown, metadata purge, restart)
[14:42] <rye> joshuahoover: I am not sure whether this affects the data removal - that looks like something to do with sd being confused by temporary files but during all my tests I failed to make the bug manifest itself
[14:42] <joshuahoover> rye: ah, i see
[14:52] <rye> joshuahoover: but as per UDF subscription - that may cause the users of windows - since adding new UDFs is built into the installer. I am now building a VM to test this
[14:52] <rye> well, it is being cloned
[14:52] <joshuahoover> rye: thanks :)
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:05] <mandel> thisfred, alecu ?
[15:05] <thisfred> me
[15:05] <alecu> me
[15:06] <mandel> that is all , right, gatox and ralsina are on holidays and dobey has no power
[15:06] <mandel> DONE: Hospital (everything ok), bug 1011584 bug 116263 partially done bug 1000875. Helped aquarius doing a video of u1ftp running on windows 7.
[15:06] <mandel> TODO: More on bug 1000875. Create a small daemon to be installed in testing machine that copies the content of the fd to a namedpipe.
[15:06] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:06] <mandel> briancurtin, please
[15:06] <alecu> mandel: and mmcc is moving, right?
[15:06] <briancurtin> DONE: looking into bug #1027178 when it came in on friday
[15:06] <briancurtin> TODO: unicode, get a VM setup to work on the above mentioned bug
[15:06] <briancurtin> NEXT: thisfred
[15:07] <thisfred> DONE: query parser TODO: release 0.0.3 | query parser BLOCKED: no (think I finally figured it out) NEXT: alecu
[15:07] <briancurtin> alecu: yep, mmcc is off for moving to san diego
[15:07] <mandel> alecu, yes, I forgot about the mac man :)
[15:08] <alecu> DONE: some more reviews, chased a sync bug (#1025288)
[15:08] <alecu> TODO: more sync debugging, more reviews
[15:08] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:08] <alecu> EOM?
[15:08] <mandel> +1
[15:25] <dobey> hey all
[15:29] <alecu> hola dobey!
[15:32] <dobey> alecu: holas! are you working today? wasn't sure what days you were taking off this week
[15:32] <alecu> dobey: I'm definitely taking wed and probably thu.
[15:33] <dobey> ah ok
[15:53] <brendand> is it possible to roll back the state of a directory in ubuntu one?
[16:05] <dobey> need to get lunch. bbiab
[16:44] <briancurtin> i'm going to lunch and need to run an errand, will be back in a bit
[17:41] <mandel> I'm EOD
[17:42] <mandel> laters!
[18:27] <dobey> anyone around?
[18:27] <briancurtin> dobey: what's up
[18:27] <dobey> care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/update-3-0/+merge/116340 ? it's a backport of a change from trunk to stable-3-0
[18:29] <alecu> dobey: looking
[18:30] <dobey> thanks
[19:33] <briancurtin> dobey: sorry for the delay, but approved
[19:35] <dobey> thanks
[22:23] <dobey> later all


[00:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/561713
[00:07] <DanaG> ah
[03:42] <rickspencer3> any of you folks know how I can query for the design documents available in a desktopcouch database?
[03:54] <rickspencer3> it appears that records starting with "_design" are not passed to the map function, so I can't just do a normal query for then
[04:08] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang!
[04:08]  * rickspencer3 pounce
[04:08] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, I'm trying to enumerate the design documents available in a dc database
[04:08] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, hi.
[04:09] <rickspencer3> hi CardinalFang ... can you point me vaguely in the right direction?
 any of you folks know how I can query for the design documents available in a desktopcouch database?
[04:09] <rickspencer3>  it appears that records starting with "_design" are not passed to the map
[04:09] <rickspencer3> function, so I can't just do a normal query for then
[04:11] <CardinalFang> Hrm, I need to think about that.  I've never considered it before.
[04:11]  * rickspencer3 pours drink
[04:11] <rickspencer3> futon can do it
[04:11] <rickspencer3> so I am holding out hope ;)
[04:16] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, :(  I can only think of raw access.
[04:16] <CardinalFang> >>> mgt = desktopcouch.records.server.CouchDatabase("management")
[04:17] <CardinalFang> >> list(mgt.db)
[04:18] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, thanks!
[04:18] <rickspencer3> that's be fine
[04:19] <rickspencer3> much appreciated
[04:19] <CardinalFang> De nada, rickspencer3.  Hasta.
[04:19] <rickspencer3> that's a good trick, in general
[04:19] <rickspencer3> should remember this
[09:14] <duanedesign> bug 562161 and bug 562177  both have html in there oauth.login.log
[09:19] <elzapp> desktopcouch keeps crashing on me on Lucid
[09:21] <kermiac> hi duanedesign :) That's strange, I haven't seen html in oauth before
[09:24] <duanedesign> kermiac: seems like I remember that being a 'tell' in a bug awhile back....but that was some time ago.
[09:25] <kermiac> duanedesign: must have been before I subscribed to u1 bugs
[09:29] <duanedesign> elzapp: might take a look in ~/.cache/desktop-couch/desktop-coouchdb.log
[09:34] <elzapp> I'll do .. i'm away from that computer currently
[09:43] <rye> re html log - searching for the bug report..;.
[09:43] <rye> bug #562286
[09:43] <rye> duanedesign, kermiac - that was due to missing $1 in ubuntuone.com -> one.ubuntu.com redirect
[09:46] <kermiac> hello rye :) Ah, so it was a server-side issue & was fixed the day after those 2 bug reports were filed. Thanks for the info :)
[09:46] <rye> kermiac, yes, there is even a bugpattern for such output. it was not technically an error from the client side - the server returned 200 OK and the home page with "Sign in"
[09:48] <diverse_izzue> hi all. what's the status with this infinite loop bug where the daemon would keep "GetPublicFiles"?
[10:01] <rye> diverse_izzue, bug #562443
[10:04] <rye> stop publishing via ubuntuone -> crash
[10:12] <rye> publish via ubuntuone -> crash :-/
[12:13] <Chipaca> rye: using what?
[12:15] <rye> Chipaca, using nautilus, i have built debug versions and it does not craaaash anymooore :(
[12:20] <Chipaca> rye: I mean, what version of u-c-g
[12:20] <rye>   Chipaca r501
[12:21] <rye> #0  g_hash_table_insert_internal (hash_table=0xe143, key=0x0, value=0x60f32a4,
[12:21] <rye>     keep_new_key=1) at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.24.0/glib/ghash.c:975
[12:21] <rye>         node_index = <value optimized out>
[12:21] <rye>         __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "g_hash_table_insert_internal"
[12:21] <rye> #1  0x060f0750 in ?? ()
[12:21] <rye>    from /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-2.0/libnautilus-ubuntuone.so
[12:22] <rye> and with debug version I can order to find that "??"
[12:22] <rye> I can't find the value of "??"
[12:22] <rye> s/order to find that//
[12:37] <rapha> So yesterday nobody wanted to talk to me...
[12:37] <rapha> ... is there an answer today for the missing files from a bought album problem?
[12:37] <jdobrien> rapha, hi
[12:38] <jdobrien> rapha, i had the same thing happen to me.
[12:38] <rapha> jdobrien: and did you get the missing songs meanwhile?
[12:38] <jdobrien> rapha, from what I understand, there's a problem with a server that get's the files from the music store and puts them into your U1 account.
[12:38] <jdobrien> rapha, oh yeah
[12:39] <jdobrien> rapha, I testested something that fixed them which worked, but it was still buggy
[12:40] <jdobrien> rapha, so while it's frustrating, don't worry your download will work soon
[12:41] <rapha> jdobrien: well, the problem was supposed to have been fixed a couple of days ago by one of the devs already
[12:41] <rapha> i'm less worried about the three songs still missing out of the album
[12:41] <rapha> more about this happening to non-technically inclined users when 10.04 comes out for real
[12:42] <jdobrien> rapha, indeed, but we (I'm one of the developers) are scrambling to make sure this works
[12:42] <rapha> ah okay ... thought it might be something along those lines :)
[12:42] <rapha> in that case good luck to y'all!
[12:43] <jdobrien> rapha, our music provider decided to change one of their IP addresses last week without telling us and it screwed things up really bad
[12:43] <rapha> ew :-/
[12:43] <rapha> sounds like databases-needing-to-be-fixed-now
[12:44] <jdobrien> yes, we have records of the purchases, so we just need to make sure everything matches
[12:44] <rapha> that's the kind of thing i hate when it happens close to a deadline
[12:45] <rapha> i'll probably stop buggering you then jdobrien - gl again!
[12:45] <jdobrien> rapha, no problem, sorry you were bit by that bug
[12:46] <rapha> nevermind that, i only purchased that album to test the music store anyway :-]
[13:27] <ChrisPW> what sort of sync speed should I be seeing
[13:27] <ChrisPW> ?
[13:27] <ChrisPW> I'm on the end of a 100mbit line and I only seem to be seeing a few kb/s
[13:36] <Chipaca> ChrisPW: it Depends
[13:36] <duffydack> Its not just the transfer speed thats the problem.  my other pc with its empty pics folder that should sync up and fill with 84 files totalling 20mb takes a long time before it even starts, and when it does it has long long pauses
[13:36] <Chipaca> ChrisPW: slower than we'd all like
[13:36] <duffydack> ends up taking an hour with all the wait time between files.
[13:37] <Chipaca> jdobrien: is there anything that could be making storage particularly slow? duffydack has been seeing this ice-slow speed all weekend
[13:37] <duffydack> I can live with slow speed.. as long as its constant..
[13:39] <jdobrien> Chipaca, was it ever fast?
[13:39] <duffydack> im watching it now, and its taken 15mins from bootup to make the 4 folders that are in the pics folder.. they are empty, and its been another 10-15mins and still no files.. thats the biggest problem I`m seeing.
[13:39] <jdobrien> duffydack, what does u1sdtool --waiting-metadata show?
[13:40] <duffydack> not really a background set it and forget it sync tool, with having to check up on it to make sure all your files are done..
[13:41] <jdobrien> duffydack, possibly not yet, but with your feedback we'll get it there
[13:41] <duffydack> jdobrien, it shows the 2 folders that should be there..  it has started as I say, it made 4 empty folders in the pics folder.
[13:41] <Chipaca> jdobrien: no, it wasn't ever fast, but duffydack is seeing more slowness than I am
[13:41] <duffydack> not got a single file yet, after approx 15mins
[13:41] <jdobrien> duffydack, are there empty folders?
[13:41] <jdobrien> duffydack, oh nevermind
[13:42] <duffydack> hey I can live with 10k/s,  its not as bad as seeing 0k/s for 15mins :)
[13:42] <jdobrien> duffydack, u1sdtool -s
[13:42] <jdobrien> duffydack, what does Is online show?
[13:43] <jdobrien> I just checked mine and saw it wasn't connected for some reason
[13:43] <jdobrien> i wonder if we had a hickup
[13:43] <duffydack> waiting-content shows the files in the root of the pics folder.. not any in the 4 folders inside
[13:44] <duffydack> "processing queues" and "connected = true"
[13:44] <jdobrien> duffydack, us_online
[13:44] <jdobrien> duffydack, oops is_online :)
[13:44] <ChrisPW> I've got "processing queues" and connected, queues: IDLE
[13:45] <duffydack> its all 'working' sort of, everything is set to do what it should do, its just not in any hurry to do it
[13:45] <jdobrien> duffydack, are you on lucid?
[13:45] <ChrisPW> one items in the current transfers list, which appears to be fully written (judging by the byte count)
[13:45] <duffydack> is online = true
[13:45] <duffydack> im very lucid
[13:45] <duffydack> lol
[13:46] <jdobrien> duffydack, about 20 minutes ago I got disconnected and it started doing the server scan all over again. Unfortunately, this has to finish before anything else happens
[13:47] <duffydack> well looking at my network in/out , there isny any activity at all, and hasnt been for a while.
[13:47] <jdobrien> duffydack, hmm
[13:47] <duffydack> I only have 100mb of stuff in about 100 or so files.
[13:47] <jdobrien> duffydack, any exceptions in ~/.cache/ubuntuone.log?
[13:47] <jdobrien> oops
[13:47] <jdobrien> duffydack, any exceptions in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[13:48] <duffydack> Ive done this yesterday as well on another machine, and it took just as long, but it got there in the end,.
[13:48] <duffydack> jdobrien, which file ?
[13:49] <jdobrien> duffydack, it would be syncdaemon-exceptions.log*
[13:50] <duffydack> no
[13:51] <jdobrien> duffydack, ok
[13:52] <duffydack> in the oauth.log there is 2010-04-19 13:20:15,393:393.28789711 UbuntuOne.OAuthDesktop.auth Token was not successfully retrieved: data was 'Invalid request token: tchQCl8Xn77PBqjpmvq0'
[13:52] <duffydack> 2010-04-19 13:20:15,395:395.173072815 UbuntuOne.OAuthDesktop.auth Failed to get access token.
[13:52] <jdobrien> duffydack, could you file a private bug and attach your syncdaemon.logs? note these will have names of files and folders in them which is why I say mark it private
[13:53] <jdobrien> duffydack, you could report it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+filebug
[13:53] <duffydack> ok
[13:53] <jdobrien> thanks
[13:53] <jdobrien> we have some guys who can examine your logs and compare them to what we see serverside
[13:53] <duffydack> cant say ive ever filed a bug before.. just moaned about em :)
[13:54] <jdobrien> duffydack, I moan and file bugs :)
[13:59] <duffydack> Dont know how to describe it.
[14:02] <duffydack> I mean, its been half an hour and nothing, but the 4 empty folders.. it at least started a file or 2 by now yesterday on the other lucid pc.
[14:03] <duffydack> guess i`ll just call it "Extended periods of inactivity during sync"
[14:19] <duffydack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/566633
[15:02] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, Moin.  Bug#465216.  I don't think the stack trace would be close to the same as it was in October of last year.  I need more information.
[15:02] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, May I have your  ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log.2010-04-17 ?
[15:03] <CardinalFang> ...in email on attached to bug.  Creds are hidden, but db names may be sensitive.
[15:05] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, can I follow up with you line like 2 hours?
[15:05] <rickspencer3> that's all on my netbook
[15:06] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, Okay.  That's my most important task today, I think.  I have time to go rescue my cat now, which is on fire.
[15:06] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, ok, I'll try to do it asap, have calls atm
[15:14] <CardinalFang> Sweet.  live.gnome.org is dead.
[15:41] <Foor> Is there an easy way to change the credit card i use for my ubuntu one subscription?
[16:07] <bac> alecu, aquarius: just a heads up that my issue downloading from the U1 music store is unresolved.  the purchases i made 10 days ago are still not downloaded
[16:20] <alecu> bac, we've found the issue, so new downloads are not getting stuck as before. And we are working on the right fix for old stuck downloads.
[16:20] <bac> alecu: ok.
[16:20] <alecu> bac, sorry for the delays
[16:21] <bac> alecu: np.  aquarius indicated it should've been fixed a few days ago so i was just reporting back that it wasn't
[16:34] <aquarius> bac, yeh, the thing I was talking about is fixed, but it turns out there were two problems :)
[16:35] <bac> aquarius: well, my $15 is money well spent in terms of beta testing!
[16:35] <bac> and if someday i actually get to listen to the music, all the better
[16:36] <aquarius> bac, we're working on it, promise :)
[17:01] <adiroiban> beuno: hi, when you take a look at RTL support for ubuntu-start-page, can you please see if you can solve bug 532814, as it should be easy to add the autofocus feature
[17:02] <beuno> adiroiban, hey. Yes, absolutely, I should of addressed that already. Thanks!
[17:25] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, I'm back
[17:26] <CardinalFang> j0.
[18:18] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, do you have that log file?
[18:19] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, no
[18:19] <rickspencer3> I only have one for yesterday
[18:19] <rickspencer3> maybe that was the one you needed?
[18:19] <CardinalFang> Er, you updated the bug on 17th, and the files should rotate nightly.
[18:20] <rickspencer3> oh well
[18:20] <rickspencer3> I didn'
[18:20] <rickspencer3> t know :(
[18:20] <CardinalFang> I'll just say I need the log file  ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log*  from when you saw the problem.
[18:21] <rickspencer3> will do so in the future
[18:21] <rickspencer3> sorry
[18:21] <CardinalFang> Dang.
[18:21] <rickspencer3> let me reboot
[18:21] <rickspencer3> maybe I'll repro the bug and will have a fresh log
[18:37] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, I'm puzzled because it should only expunge log files there after they're 14 days old.
[18:37] <rickspencer3> ?
[18:38] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, is the service throwing the error, but then caries on?
[18:38] <CardinalFang> The log writer shouldn't remove files this soon.
[18:38] <CardinalFang> Eh?
[18:38] <rickspencer3> or is it falling over?
[18:38] <rickspencer3> wrt bug in question
[18:38] <rickspencer3> are users seeing the apport dialog, but desktopcouch works?
[18:39] <rickspencer3> for bug #465216
[18:40] <CardinalFang> It can't carry on.  Apport works by hooking in to catch exceptions that bubble out the top as a program exits abnormally.  DBus *could* be launching it again.
[18:42] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, your word "it" encompasses a few things.  The couchdb could be really running, and desktopcouch-service not noticing and quitting.  The client can then talk to couchdb, as desktopcouch-service doesn't manage or proxy that.  It just launches couchdb on demand and answers where it is on the net.
[18:42] <rickspencer3> ok
[18:42] <rickspencer3> I meant the sync service
[18:44] <CardinalFang> The sync service is an extension of desktopcouch-service .  That's what you and apport say is failing (because it thinks it can't start couchdb).
[18:44] <rickspencer3> ok
[18:45] <rickspencer3> so I rebooted, and did not see the error
[18:45] <CardinalFang> :\
[18:45] <rickspencer3> what I did see looks like bug # 464071
[18:45] <rickspencer3> but desktopcouch seems to be replicating fine
[18:46] <rickspencer3> according to ~/.cach/destkop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log
[18:46] <CardinalFang> That's the authoritative place to look.
[18:48] <rickspencer3> CardinalFang, so is it possible that desktopcouch-service is ripping some unhandled exceptions that aren't bringing the service down?
[18:48] <rickspencer3> or I guess it restarts or something
[18:49] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, If apport complains, then something crashed.  Something else could be starting it again.
[18:50] <CardinalFang> rickspencer3, I'm trying to decide if there's a way that two attempts to get DB info could race and one could fail while the other succeeds.
[18:51] <po1ter> anyone else noticing that syncing music from the U1 music store to u1 account takes forever?
[18:52] <po1ter> I bought a three songs maybe 20 hours ago and only two of them have synced
[19:40] <Chipaca> duffydack: ping
[19:40] <duffydack> ?
[19:47] <Chipaca> duffydack: hi. How is the sync of the 2nd machine coming?
[19:47] <Chipaca> duffydack: if it's still stuck, I'd like some logs :)
[19:52] <duffydack> I gave up on it. i`ll try it again later.  I posted a bug report and logs
[20:01] <Chipaca> duffydack: what number?
[20:01] <duffydack> 566633
[20:03] <Chipaca> duffydack: thanks
[20:30] <duffydack> powering up my netbook to try it again.
[20:30] <facundobatista> duffydack, I can see in the logs that you attached to the bug that everything is working ok
[20:31] <facundobatista> duffydack, although it's working veeeeeery slow
[20:31] <facundobatista> duffydack, we're working on speed issues, we're kind of overloaded these days
[20:33] <duffydack> do you mean slow as in network speed or slow as in 45mins between files.
[20:34] <duffydack> i removed the files from the folder before my wifi connected.. so it should grab them again and populate..    it says sync in progress.
[20:34] <duffydack> just waiting for it to show me some file/folder.  see how long it takes..
[20:35] <duffydack> It would be an improvement for me to get 5k/s constant sync speed.. the problem is its just falling asleep and doing nothing..
[20:37] <duffydack> aw damnit, its deleting them from the server..  its ok they are not important.. i have backups
[20:52] <duffydack> well its only deleted the docs folder from the server..  odd...
[20:55] <duffydack> can someone explain exactly how the bookmarks backup works?  If i boot another pc with firefox, bindwood and U1 setup right, am I supposed to see my bookmarks in Firefox ?
[20:55] <duffydack> or is it something different..
[20:59] <jblount> urbanape: ^^
[21:03] <duffydack> I`ll start from scratch on both my machines I think... resetup the U1 accounts (remove the key and files from .cache etc) and resync the folders..
[21:05] <urbanape> duffydack, Yes, you should end up with a complete merge of all the boookmarks on all the machines
[21:07] <duffydack> I`m not seeing that happen then..
[21:07] <facundobatista> duffydack, yes, if you remove the files it will remove them from the server
[21:07] <facundobatista> duffydack, no network speed issues, you're ok, DB issues from our side
[21:10] <duffydack> ok
[21:11] <duffydack> when it works it works good.. Ive had it sync and populate the folders before now, and edited a file and it`s sync`d with the other pc ..
[21:12] <duffydack> well, even tho I removed all files from both folders on my netbook, its only removed the docs folder from server.
[21:14] <duffydack> Its correct in that it wont remove them from the other pc as part of a sync ? or should it.
[21:57] <apachelogger> jblount, statik: plingy, I proposed ubuntu one kde as gsoc project (keeping fingers crossed to get a slot for it ^^) and Riddell suggested that I get in touch with you two to check whether you'd be available for technical questions regarding U1 ... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010/HaraldSitter in case you want to read the proposal :)
[21:58] <toter_Bayer> Hello, where did I find a Windows Client für UbuntuOne?
[22:00] <duffydack> toter_Bayer, I dont think there is one...
[22:03] <toter_Bayer> :( thats not good
[22:07] <jblount> toter_Bayer: There was some work during pycon to get a Windows port together and there will be work in the future, but I don't think there is anything usable right now.
[22:08] <jblount> apachelogger: I wouldn't be very useful for this, but I am willing to bet that statik would love to help you sort out answers and such.
[22:11] <apachelogger> jblount: ok, thanks :)
[23:44] <umarux> Ubuntu One seems to be having issues connecting to the servers. It doesn't sync any of my files.
[23:44] <umarux> What information do I need to provide so that I can get help?


[06:18] <tualatrix> ?
[11:19]  * vish just playing foosball with chrisccoulson on gcc bugs ;p
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> huh?
[11:21] <vish> chrisccoulson: the about me bug... sent it back ;)
[11:34] <peppefava> Hi to all. I was upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 but my laptop battery went down so the installation did not ended up correctly. When rebooting, the system is not able to start correctly. No desktop, no icons... nothing. Starting in recovery mode is impossible too. Now I am running with live cd. What can I do to solve the problem? Thanks.
[11:38] <vish> !support | peppefava
[11:38] <ubot2> peppefava: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[15:52] <mterry> kenvandine, you never filed a geoclue MIR?
[21:47] <geser> either I'm too dumb for unity or it doesn't match my use-case or I've some misconfiguration somewhere: how can I start a second terminal from a launcher? how can I switch applications over the keyboard?
[21:49] <hyperair> i assume alt+tab?
[21:49] <vish> geser: second terminal is a problem now.
[21:49] <hyperair> as for second terminal, try middle clicking or clicking with modifier keys. it might help. =p
[21:49] <hyperair> vish: what? there really isn't a way?!
[21:50] <geser> alt-tab doesn't work for me
[21:50] <vish> hyperair: not from launcher
[21:50] <vish> or atleast i havent found a way ;p
[21:50] <hyperair> right click?
[21:50] <hyperair> middle click?
[21:50] <hyperair> at least in docky it's middle click
[21:50] <vish> but we can Ctrl+alt+t another one
[21:51] <hyperair> well yes, that works
[21:51] <hyperair> but what about firefox
[21:51] <vish> geser: alt+tab is slow, there is a bug about it..
[21:51] <hyperair> you could have closed the browser window, but left the downloads window open.
[21:55] <vish> geser: what do you have in /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/switch_windows , there was one bug where that got altered ?
[21:59] <geser> disabled
[21:59] <geser> but switching backwards work :)
[22:02] <vish> geser: right, you need to have <Alt>Tab mentioned there
[22:11] <geser> yes, adding <Alt>Tab into this field fixed it. Thanks for the hint


[06:55] <silvery> Hello. Got a question about JavaScript in Fireox 4 beta 11: Is it possible to remove "blur effect" from javascript alert(), prompt() and confirm() funtions??
[17:37] <fta> jcastro, about a11y, what about other apps using webkit in main?
[17:39] <jcastro> no clue
[17:39] <micahg> yelp is now using webkit, and I think TheMuso is working on a11y
[17:39] <fta> liferea, shotwell, etc
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> we put off updating yelp to the webkit version for that reason, but we've only updated now because the gecko version became too much of a pain to maintain ourselves
[17:40] <fta> why chromium should be treated differently from those?
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> why is liferea in main? :/
[17:41] <jcastro> yeah really
[17:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: edubuntu
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> micahg, edubuntu-meta is in universe
[17:43] <micahg> oh, in that case, I guess they forgot to kick liferea out when they did that for Lucid :)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> it should have happened automatically
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> so there must be something else pulling it in
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> but i can't see what ;)
[17:44] <micahg> dvd seed
[17:45]  * micahg is about to file removal request #2 for gjs
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you talk to didrocks about it?
[17:46] <micahg> oh, forgot that :)
[17:46]  * micahg goes to find him
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> he was concerned that people think we're sabotaging gnome-shell on ubuntu ;)
[17:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's why I had seb send out that e-mail last month
[17:47] <micahg> I was worried about it too
[18:09] <fta> grrr; i hate compiz. i can't shift+del something selected on my desktop when there's a window in the workspace
[18:09] <fta> +current
[18:10]  * sebner waves
[18:11] <sebner> chrisccoulson: TB opens links in Firefox not correct. it because "http://www.%u.com/", is this a TB problem? I guess the problem is that TB is not really integrated into gnome as I also can't set it in Preferred Apps
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> sebner, there's already a bug report for that
[18:11] <sebner> chrisccoulson: really? I couldn't find it :\ nvm :)
[18:14] <sebner> chrisccoulson: ah found it :), but TB is supposed to be set-able in Preferred Apps right?
[18:16] <jcastro> fta: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nmgdlkljbfeeinemfljcbmnkmbeligmn#
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> sebner, yes, that's another bug though
[18:16] <sebner> sure
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> sebner, i will fix them at some point, but i'm currently wasting all of my time trying to get things like google-gadgets to build against the latest libmozjs
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> well
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> it feels like i'm wasting my time anyway ;)
[18:22] <sebner> chrisccoulson: heh, np. I'm seeing this bugs quite a while now and I just thought about prodding you today out of curiosity :)
[19:02] <fta> jcastro, doesn't seem to work (ch 11)
[19:03] <jcastro> fta: he's just gotten it reviewed so he's working on it pretty heavily tonight. I just wanted to show it to you
[19:06] <fta> ok
[19:12] <fta> oh my, compiz crashed but didn't restart
[19:25] <fta> jcastro, anyone working on a cpu/load indicator? netspeed indicator?
[19:26] <jcastro> not sure offhand
[19:28] <fta> why do i get "Recents" when i click on "Files & Folders"
[19:28] <fta> it's slow
[19:31] <Dimmuxx> is it just a lack of time or is there something wrong with ff4 b11 since -next isn't updated?
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, lack of time
[19:32] <Dimmuxx> okay, time for b12 soon anyways ;)
[19:32] <micahg> Dimmuxx: sorry, I started preparing that this morning
[19:35] <Dimmuxx> I wonder how 5 will look in linux since they don't really seem to care about linux any longer, a lot of ui bugs in 4.  http://areweprettyyet.com/5/desktopApps/#
[19:36] <Dimmuxx> gnome 3/gtk3 will support changing stuff in the title bar right?
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, no, gtk3 has no support for that
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> and mozilla do care about linux, not sure where you got that from
[19:44] <Dimmuxx> the ui bugs with patches that haven't been touched for 4+ months
[19:44] <Dimmuxx> so maybe they care but not enought imho
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> where?
[19:45] <Dimmuxx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614692 & https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572482
[19:45] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 614692 in Theme "Application menu is not correctly natively themed under Linux" [Normal,Assigned]
[19:46] <Dimmuxx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585370#c4 suggests that gtk3 would support drawing widgets in the titlebar but maybe it was dropped then :/
[19:47] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 585370 in General "Implement the Firefox button on Linux" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, well, in the first bug, the second patch has been rejected
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> and the contributor never submitted a new patch to review
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> so i think you're being a bit unfair there
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> the second bug doesn't even seem to have a patch
[19:47] <Dimmuxx> ah so review- means that it wasn't approved?
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> yes
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> i'm not going to look at the others, i've got way to much to do already
[19:49] <Dimmuxx> I didn't notice the - so sorry about that
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> generally, IME patches get reviewed quite quickly if you follow the correct process
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> (ie, request a review when you attach the patch)
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> fta - breakpad in chromium has this patch doesn't it? http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/detail?r=673
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> i just saw your e-mail
[21:32] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:35] <fta> chrisccoulson, yes it does. ch uses breakpad r760
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[21:37] <fta> chrisccoulson, it works for chrome so it's not breakpad itself. it's most probably some code protected inside a ifdef googlechrome block
[21:38] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=72749 *sigh*


[04:42] <msipos_> hello, anyone here to answer a few newbie upstart questions? :)
[04:52] <msipos_> well, ok, I just posted the question here: https://answers.launchpad.net/upstart/+question/22513
[04:52] <msipos_> so, would be nice if you looked at it :)