  I like this and that one of the reasons i use linux everyday
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oski146: I really don't know - maybe the drivers on Linux work better than the drivers on Windows? I've experienced similar things - Linux WiFi working much better than Windows WiFi at least from what I could tell.
 👍yes i thought, its because the connections are more stable
 Or the wifi hardware gets better integrated into the system.
 There you can see opensource is good and needed
 But with Lan i have full 800mbit
 On windows only 600mbit at a speedtest
 Is there a way to find out why my keyboard shortcuts are broken? Kubuntu 20.04
 Did ypu press the FN butto
[09:53] <Guest11> How does kubuntu make the ISO? Is it made in a debootstrap?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 rU8L
 ru8L
 V3A
[15:08] <x00future> anyone else getting a 404 when trying to do a apt update?
 try another repo
[15:10] <user|87> Bonjour, Comment installer Kubuntu sur Raspberry Pi 4 ? J'ai créé une SD avec Kubuntu 22.04 qui démarre sur mon PC classique (boot puis proposition install ou essai) mais pas sur le Raspberry... Une piste ?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> !Fr | user|87
[15:15] <user|87> Hi, How install Kubuntu on the Raspberry Pi 4 ? I have a 128 Go SD card with Kubuntu 22.04 that boot on my standard PC and propose me to try or install Kubuntu (so : everything is normal). But nothing run with the Raspberry... Any idea ?
[15:16] <user|87> The "bios" of the Raspberry runs and the SD is detected. But no boot.
[15:19] <user|87> Do I need a special Kubuntu version for the Raspberry ?
[15:20] <user|87> I downloaded the 22.04 64 bits
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> user|87: You can't flash a Kubuntu ISO onto a Raspberry Pi - while the Pi is a 64-bit CPU, it's an ARM CPU, while the Kubuntu ISO is for x86_64 systems.
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> user|87: What I'd do, is get a preinstalled Raspberry Pi Ubuntu Server image (they're free downloads just like all the other Ubuntu ISOs). Install that, then install kubuntu-desktop on that.
[15:22] <user|87> Thank you very much for this quick  answer and this good idea...
[15:23] <arraybolt3[m]> user|87: Lemme find the image for the Raspberry Pi for you real quick.
[15:23] <user|87> ?
[15:24] <user|87> I'm French... LOL
[15:24] <arraybolt3[m]> user|87: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi Get the 64-bit Ubuntu Server 22.04 LTS from here.
[15:24] <user|87> OK
[15:24] <arraybolt3[m]> user|87: Ah. "Lemme" = "let me" in American slang.
[15:24] <user|87> OK
[15:28] <user|87> I'm downloading the thing, create the SD with Raspberry Pi Imager and try. Thank you very much... I will tell you what happen.
[15:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Glad to help! Good luck!
[19:19] <user|81> hi
[19:21] <user|81> I have tried to install KUBUNTU 22.04 iso from two different places and using 3 different installers:
[19:21] <user|81> Always to no avail, I found an old Ubuntu 16.04 usb stick tried that no issues
[19:22] <user|81> What is going on ? can you suggest something?
[19:29] <mparillo> Have you tried to verify your ISO? https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu#1-overview
[19:44] <mmikowski> user|81: How is this failing?
[19:56] <mgis90> hello everybody, i have a q: after upgrading, my mouse wheel scroll speed is different and there is no setting panel like advanced options for mouse. and I've tried to look around, on stackexchange they suggest imwheel tool, or some other things, but in general is this a bug that there's no option like this to customize in the system settings?
[20:09] <mgis90> anyway, I also noticed this happening https://askubuntu.com/questions/1174173/
[20:09] <mgis90> thanks guys, I g2g
 how can i get my phone to stop charging while using usb tethering
 does it damage laptop battery life?
 using kubuntu 20.04
[20:44] <stewmu> Is having okular mandatory? Can I remove it without issues?
[22:09] <enigma9o7[m]> One easy way to check is try, and see if it wants to remove other stuff.  But you could also check reverse depends, see if anything depends on it.
[22:10] <enigma9o7[m]> `apt rdepends okular`
[22:11] <LoveMIlf> are you bot or human?
[22:11] <enigma9o7[m]> who are you even talking to?  nobody said anything since you joined....
[22:13] <mparillo> He was responding to [Wednesday, July 27, 2022] [5:10:48 PM EDT]<stewmu> Is having okular mandatory? Can I remove it without issues?
[22:14] <enigma9o7[m]> mp, i had already responded before lovemilf even joined.  unless im seeing thinigs out of order, nobody said anything since lovemilf joined, so dunno who it's talking to
[22:15] <LoveMIlf> what are you talking
[22:15] <LoveMIlf> idk
[22:23] <ManFromJSK> whats the rule


[17:05] <lamont> May 21 09:18:29 mix kernel: [159411.675112] rtc: lost 17 interrupts
[17:06] <lamont> make it stop saying that, mk?
[19:38] <psusi> does anyone know why the kernel was changed to default to defeating host protected areas on disks and why this should not be considered a bug and reverted?
[19:49] <mjg59> psusi: Because the alternative was for people's systems to stop working when they switched from IDE to libata
[19:49] <psusi> mjg59: eh?
[19:49] <mjg59> Turns out that most people consider that a bug
[19:49] <psusi> mjg59: I'm seeing people's systems breaking because of this change
[19:49] <mjg59> psusi: The IDE system deactivated the HPA since, well, forever
[19:49] <psusi> oh really?
[19:50] <mjg59> Yes
[19:50] <mjg59> So people created partitions in the HPA
[19:50] <mjg59> When libata didn't deactivate the HPA, stuff broke
[19:50] <psusi> hrm.... why is that not broken?  HPA means you arent supposed to muck with it
[19:50] <mjg59> Because their filesystems now extended into unreachable areas of the disk
[19:50] <psusi> well, yea... but it was broken before and then fixed
[19:50] <mjg59> No
[19:50] <psusi> so we revert to the broken heavior?  doesn't seem right
[19:51] <psusi> behavior even
[19:51] <mjg59> There is no way in the universe you can claim that breaking people's filesystems is a fix
[19:51] <psusi> no, the fix was NOT breaking HPA
[19:51] <mjg59> There is no way in the universe you can claim that breaking people's filesystems is a fix
[19:51] <psusi> but if they already had a broken system then fixing it broke their system
[19:52] <mjg59> That's not an acceptable option
[19:52] <mjg59> Which is why upstream behaiour was changed
[19:52] <mjg59> Also, this happened over a year ago
[19:52] <psusi> how is it acceptable to allow them to break their system by overwriting the HPA?
[19:53] <psusi> there may be parts of the bios written there that if we overwrite, the system won't boot
[19:53] <mjg59> Yes, it's acceptable to let people do that
[19:53] <mjg59> No, there will not be parts of the BIOS written there
[19:53] <psusi> there could be... you don't know why the bios protected it
[19:54] <mjg59> Yes, and it could also contain child pornography
[19:54] <psusi> it seems that some vendors put bios extension programs there
[19:54] <mjg59> In which case being able to delete it would be a good thing
[19:54] <psusi> the point is that via HPA, the bios is telling us DON'T TOUCH
[19:54] <mjg59> No, vendors do not put bios extension programs there
[19:55] <psusi> if you as the user want to override that, that's one thing... but doing it by default?
[19:55] <psusi> I have heard of some that do
[19:55] <psusi> there is at least one vendor I have heard of that uses it to store some sort of instant on cd playing program
[19:55] <psusi> so you can play audio cds without booting up fully
[19:55] <mjg59> Yes, it's a filesystem containing Linux
[19:56] <mjg59> It's not a BIOS extension
[19:56] <psusi> right... but it's marked as protected... so then we come and install Ubuntu and trash it
[19:56] <mjg59> So don't trash it
[19:56] <mjg59> The partitioner makes it easy to avoid this
[19:56] <psusi> kind of hard when it just looks like the tail end of free space on the disk
[19:56] <mjg59> No, it'll still look like a partition
[19:56] <psusi> it isn't listed in the partition table since it exists in the hidden part of the disk
[19:57] <mjg59> jpgpls
[19:58] <psusi> though at least in this one person's case, the protected area doesn't appear to contain anything.... but for some reason the bios wanted it protected and it's causing a problem when the disk size does not match what the bios recorded, which was minus the hpa
[19:59] <mjg59> "disk size"?
[20:00] <mjg59> If there's an HPA, the BIOS will still see the HPA
[20:00] <mjg59> It's not altered until Linux starts up
[20:00] <psusi> it appears to record the size without the hpa when it writes the fakeraid metadata
[20:00] <mjg59> Hm. Though, potentially, it would cause problems if the kernel or grub files end up in the HPA
[20:00] <psusi> then linux starts, disables the hpa, and suddenly the disk size is wrong
[20:00] <mjg59> psusi: At which point the BIOS isn't called again, so there's no problem
[20:01] <psusi> yea, there is... the metadata is now in the wrong location
[20:01] <mjg59> What metadata?
[20:01] <mjg59> What do you mean by "wrong location"?
[20:01] <psusi> it's supposed to be the last 2 sectors of the disk... but in this case, it's actually about a meg short of there
[20:01] <psusi> fakeraid metadata
[20:01] <mjg59> What?
[20:01] <mjg59> Ah
[20:01] <psusi> the bios writes it to what IT sees as the last 2 sectors
[20:01] <psusi> but that's just before the HPA starts
[20:01] <mjg59> That's more interesting, but easy to fix
[20:02] <psusi> we lift the HPA and now it's not in the last two sectors
[20:02] <mjg59> Ridiculously retarded BIOS
[20:02] <psusi> probably ;)
[20:02] <psusi> "but it works fine with windows"
[20:02] <mjg59> But, as I said, easy to fix
[20:02] <mjg59> The fakeraid code needs to check both the reported size and the old size
[20:03] <psusi> ack
[20:03] <psusi> hrm.... how would it find the old size?
[20:04] <mjg59> The kernel has the original size
[20:04] <mjg59> It reads it before messing with the HPA
[20:05] <psusi> any idea how one would look that up?
[20:05] <mjg59> In-kernel? Not off-hand.
[20:05] <mjg59> Just grep for hpa in drivers/ata/
[20:05] <psusi> hrm... guess it's time to do a git clone
[20:05] <mjg59> ANyway, getting into the station now
[20:05]  * mjg59 leaves
[21:59] <psusi> mjg59: it appears that the kernel does NOT retain the HPA disk size after lifting the limit
[22:06] <psusi> libata defines the parameter ata_ignore_hpa... can you not just pass ata_ignore_hpa=0 on the kernel command line if it is built as a module?


[20:20] <YoBoY> Hi, sorry to ask that but how to update a localisez image for the Desktop system documentation ? do I have to do a merge proposal or there is another process ?
[20:20] <pleia2> that's a better question for the translations folks, I don't know how all that works
[20:22] <YoBoY> ^^
[20:32] <YoBoY> I should have checked the wiki, it's there. a merge proposal :)
[22:18] <eagles0513875> hey all
[22:18] <eagles0513875> hey belkinsa pleia2 :D
[22:18] <eagles0513875> hey mhall119 you around?
[22:19] <belkinsa> Hey there, life ate me and I'm going to get something done for the doc team this weekend.
[22:24] <dsmythies> YoBoY: If you are asking about localaized screenshots for the DeskTop Ubuntu help docs for 13.10 I put out a request to the translators e-mail list on 2013.09.26
[22:24] <dsmythies> Ref: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2013-September/006267.html
[22:25] <dsmythies> It too late now, but maybe if and when we do an SRU (Stable Release Update), which is not for sure.
[22:26] <dsmythies> And yes, the preferred method is via Merge Proposal.
[22:28] <YoBoY> dsmythies, thanks, I'm not subscribed to this ML, and no-one fwd it to the french ubuntu-l10n-fr ML :(
[22:28] <YoBoY> by the way, some of the actual images are deprecated ;)
[22:31] <YoBoY> unity-dash.png , unity-launcher.png and unity-launcher-apps.png
[22:32] <dsmythies> I know, but without any feedback, I left the localized ones as they were.
[22:32] <YoBoY> I'm talking about images in the english ("C") folder
[22:33] <dsmythies> No, thise are up to date.
[22:33] <dsmythies> No, those are up to date.
[22:33] <YoBoY> so I missed the update somewhere ^^" need to go to bed :)
[22:35] <dsmythies> THe deafult background was changed extremely late in the cycle and I did not re-do the screenshots again.
[22:35] <YoBoY> I'll try to have the french screenshots fixed, and I will add a note to check these screenshots for the 14.04 release
[22:35] <dsmythies> O.K.
[22:40] <YoBoY> by the way it's not a background issue, but more an icon problem (the dash icon and the folder icon)
[22:45] <mhall119> eagles0513875: I am now
[22:50] <eagles0513875> mhall119: do you still want me to provide you a charm to install alfresco on a testing machine?
[22:57] <mhall119> eagles0513875: it would certainly help, yes
[22:57] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[22:58] <mhall119> eventually you'll be working with Canonical's IS directly to get it deployed to a production instance, but I can help you get it ready for that
[22:58] <eagles0513875> :) ok kool
[22:58] <eagles0513875> mhall119: would i need to work with them for a test instance as well or could i work with you on that
[22:59] <mhall119> test it on LXC locally first, and then I can test deploy it to our internal testing cloud, and if things go smoothly we'll file a ticket to have it deployed to our production cloud
[23:00] <eagles0513875> mhall119: when you say lxc you mean test it on my laptop for instance?
[23:00] <eagles0513875> should install kvm or a vm on kvm hehe
[23:01] <mhall119> eagles0513875: LXC is a container, much lighter-weight than a VM, but lets you simulate a cloud on your laptop
[23:02] <mhall119> the folks in #juju can tell you more about it and how to set it up
[23:02] <eagles0513875> mhall119: ok
[23:02] <eagles0513875> i hope i wont have to reinstall my setup soon lol cuz im installing alot on this laptop
[23:02] <mhall119> but you can "juju deploy" to it locally just like you would "juju deploy" to an actual cloud, which makes it easier to test your charm as you write it
[23:03] <eagles0513875> ahh kool :)
[23:27] <dsmythies> YoBoY: Background: I was just saying was all. Each screen shot you mentioned, and more, were replaced for 13.10. The new shots were taken on a Ubuntu 13.10 development computer.


[06:49] <akiva-thinkpad> balloons, ping
[06:50] <akiva-thinkpad> Well when you get this message. I just pushed an update to the autopilot plugin. I suggest you update, as it should now run display your results in the application panel like the rest of your run configs.
[06:51] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, bzoltan if you are interested too. Don't bother reviewing the code yet, as I have not looked at the memory leaks you pointed out (I just got the email, havent checked the comments, and am going to bed)
[06:52] <akiva-thinkpad> but yeah; this version feels pretty close.
[08:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: good morning. i have just updated the find-in-page branch for webbrowser-app fixing the conflicts from trunk. the find in page branch in oxide has been merged, so i am rebuilding and checking out if everything works.
[09:01] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, morning!
[09:01] <oSoMoN> thanks for the update
[09:01] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: anything urgent i should take care of ?
[09:02] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, nothing urgent I think, I guess the next priority is keyboard shortcuts
[09:04] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i am already on it
[09:05] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and I noticed that there is this branch lp:~uriboni/webbrowser-app/suggestions-keyboard-navigation that is still floating around. would you be ok if I merged that into the keyboard navigation branch ?
[09:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, probably, yes
[09:05] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i mean, the branch i am creating based on https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/webbrowser-app/webbrowser-app-keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/249134 which I am taking over
[09:05] <oSoMoN> yeah
[09:06] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok cool
[11:00] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ping
[16:57] <mcphail> In a ubuntu-sdk-14.10 click chroot, /usr/lib/python2.7/ is heavily populated. On krillin RTM, the directory is almost empty. Why the difference?
[17:29] <bzoltan> mcphail:  the chroot is a build + packaging environment when the device is runtime environment
[17:34] <mcphail> bzoltan: unfortunately, it seems to be making a significant difference when trying to build a package. The configuration process sees the python scripts and expects them to be there in the install environment...
[19:25] <mcphail> popey: ping
[19:29] <popey> mcphail: pong
[19:31] <mcphail> popey: http://themcphails.uk/bg1.png
[19:31] <popey> haha!
[19:31] <popey> nice work!
[19:31] <mcphail> :)
[19:32] <mcphail> some rough edges yet (such as it doesn't _actually_ work) but getting there
[19:32] <popey> did you have to fettle sdl much more?
[19:32] <mcphail> popey: no - the latest build of sdl seems fine
[19:33] <mcphail> popey: lots of guddling about trying to get gemrb to load correct python libs etc
[19:33] <popey> right
[19:33]  * popey looks down http://osgameclones.com/ for SDL...
[19:33] <mcphail> is there a way to force orientation if not using qml?
[19:34] <popey> i don't know. t1mp may
[19:34] <popey> if/when he's about
[19:34] <popey> also mzanetti
[19:34]  * popey pings the world
[19:35]  * popey spies Theme Hospital on that list. CorsixTH on my phone. Oh my. Bloaty Head and Slack Tongue...
[19:35] <mcphail> utter classic
[19:35] <popey> ya
[19:35] <mcphail> not sure if input works
[19:38] <popey> would be interested to benchmark the GPU in the bq and meizu devices in SDL
[19:38] <popey> can't imagine your dot thing was pushing it much
[19:39] <mcphail> intro videos run very well
[19:40] <mcphail> Unfortunately, when menu comes up the UI gets messed up
[19:42] <mcphail> the apps scope gets overlaid semi-transparently. Don't know if it is a shell bug as it swipes clear if you begin a r->l swipe but blocks any attempt at input
[19:44] <popey> wonder if it might be a good idea to have a qml wrapper around the app
[19:44] <popey> which could set the orientation mode
[19:44] <mcphail> popey: was thinking that myself
[19:47]  * popey leaves
[19:47] <popey> ttfn
[19:47] <mcphail> cheerio
[21:35]  * popey returns \o/
[21:38] <ahayzen_> popey, who would i poke raise the priority of bug 1436110 (its still not been worked on and still causes chaos as you can see by the conversation with the person in #ubuntu-touch)
[21:38] <popey> ugh
[21:38] <popey> jamesh
[21:39] <popey> or thostr
[21:39] <ahayzen_> i think he commented on the bug lol, i just feel it needs a milestone setting so its on someones list lol
[21:40] <ahayzen_> oh it actually hasn't got a ms2 importance either, yeah maybe they are best to poke first
[21:50] <popey> ahayzen_: will raise it at the next meeting
[21:51] <ahayzen_> popey, awesome, thanks :-)
[21:51] <mcphail> Is there a definitive source (bar the source code) for what can go into manifest.json?
[22:02] <popey> mcphail: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~click-hackers/click/trunk/view/head:/doc/file-format.rst
[22:03] <mcphail> cheers popey
[22:03] <popey> np


[10:46] <cjwatson> Crossing fingers and landing my buildmaster-fetch-in-thread branch
[10:48]  * SpecialK|Canon eats^Wsacrifices a biscuit to the concurrency deities
[11:11]  * tomwardill -> lunch
[12:43] <cjwatson> ilasc: I'm starting to look at your question in https://code.launchpad.net/~ilasc/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383333 now (sorry for the delay).  Is there a failing test that exhibits the problem, or do I need to set something up in a browser?
[12:47] <ilasc> cjwatson: thanks! there is a Unit Test that you can use to avoid all the browser action, putting together a pastebin now
[12:53] <ilasc> cjwatson: this is how I test without browser: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/dytcVy7vmS/
[12:55] <cjwatson> ilasc: OK, thanks
[16:30] <teward> cjwatson: thanks for looking @ my merge request, changes made to the branch accordingly.
[16:31] <teward> question though: if we're replacing Person.displayname -> Person.display_name does that apply for all cases of a 'person' including bug owner, etc.?
[16:31] <teward> 'cause if so there's a *lot* of deprecated usages in the bug notification builder
[16:32] <cjwatson> teward: We should eventually fix it tree-wide, but it'll be a massive change so for now it's fine to just chase the deprecation on lines we're changing anyway
[16:32] <teward> ok
[16:32] <teward> 'cause if we WANT I can start a change for the bug notification part
[16:32] <teward> since i'm already stabbing that xD
[16:33] <cjwatson> teward: It's not urgent
[16:33] <teward> ok
[16:33] <cjwatson> I'll land your change once I've fixed the buildbot chaos I just caused
[16:41] <teward> heh no problem.  let me guess it exploded hard :)
[16:41] <teward> cjwatson: does Canonical and the LP team need to make an announcement about the DMARC compliance change?
[16:41] <teward> (for bug notifications only at the moment)
[16:42] <cjwatson> I don't think it's vital, since it's already the status quo for users with hidden email addresses
[16:42] <cjwatson> But we'll probably put something about it on blog.launchpad.net
[16:57] <cjwatson> tomwardill: if you're still around?  https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383734 (Fix proxy token handling for buildd-manager changes)
[16:57] <cjwatson> or maybe pappacena
[16:58] <tomwardill> looking
[17:02] <tomwardill> +1
[17:25] <cjwatson> Thanks
[18:44] <cjwatson> pappacena: http://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lp-devel-xenial/builds/1247/steps/shell_9/logs/summary looks like your bug so far FYI
[18:45] <pappacena> let me check
[18:45] <cjwatson> (assuming no more of mine show up ...)
[18:45] <pappacena> ah, it's probably something I've changed in the previous lp-signing MP, and didn't fix the tests here. Should be easy. Give me a minute
[18:52] <cjwatson> Yeah, it looked like something along those lines
[18:52] <pappacena> I'll run all the tests here and open a MP in some minutes
[18:52] <cjwatson> Ta
[18:53] <cjwatson> I've mostly EODed but can manage a testfix review if you need it
[18:54] <pappacena> I'm opening the MP right now
[18:55] <pappacena> Here: https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383739
[18:56] <pappacena> bin/test -vvct lp.services.signing -t lp.archivepublisher.tests.test_signing
[18:56] <pappacena> Total: 100 tests, 0 failures, 0 errors, 0 skipped in 48.322 seconds.
[19:05] <pappacena> cjwatson, it's a quite easy test fix. Not a big deal if you EODed and I self-approve it...
[19:53] <cjwatson> pappacena: r=me
[19:53]  * pappacena Thanks!