[01:07] <ScottK> micahg: How about PyQt?
[01:08] <ScottK> It could be a suggests.
[02:17] <ESphynx> micahg: How about doing it with Ecere? ;)
[17:59] <codemaniac> is there any community servers around i can use as test bed for Ubuntu packaging ?
[18:03] <jtaylor> codemaniac: why can't you use your own machine?
[18:04] <jtaylor> I think members get time limited free access to some HP cloud which you could use
[18:05] <Kihokki> Hello! Does anybody know when Intel GMA3600 drivers are released for Ubuntu? I found this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/cedarview-graphics-drivers/precise-proposed
[18:05] <codemaniac> i actually dont have permanent access to Ubuntu system . :|
[18:06] <codemaniac> jtaylor: can i get a limited access to start with packaging .
[18:06] <jtaylor> I don't think so
[18:06] <jtaylor> amazon offers a micro instance free for a year
[18:06] <jtaylor> but its probably to slow for packaging
[18:07] <codemaniac> jtaylor: do i always need a development release for packaging ?
[18:07] <jtaylor> codemaniac: no, you don't even need to use ubuntu
[18:07] <jtaylor> codemaniac: though a debian based distro helps
[18:07] <codemaniac> thats great
[18:08] <codemaniac> i have a debian server , but no root access , will that help
[18:08] <jtaylor> codemaniac: no you do need root :/
[18:08] <codemaniac> i can contact the admin s though if required
[18:12] <jtaylor> codemaniac: can't you use a virtual machine on your local machine?
[18:17] <codemaniac> ok
[18:18] <codemaniac> jtaylor: i have managed a Ubuntu server with root access , will that help
[18:18] <codemaniac> do we need GUI tools for packaging
[18:19] <codemaniac> So far i have not read about any GUI tool son MOTU docs .
[18:19] <jtaylor> there are guis, but they are generally not recommended
[18:20] <jtaylor> if you want to package seriously you must learn the command line tools
[18:21] <codemaniac> jtaylor: i am quite familiar with linux commandline and native unix tools
[18:21] <codemaniac> jtaylor: do i need to upgrade the server version to 12.10
[18:22] <codemaniac> precise has been installed over it right now
[18:22] <jtaylor> codemaniac: no, you can use pbuilder-dist to create 12.10 working environment
[18:23] <jtaylor> pbuilder-dist quantal amd64 create
[18:24] <codemaniac> jtaylor: wow , sounds like all set up to go , thanks i will drop by hee sometimes
[18:24] <codemaniac> s/hee/here
[18:25] <codemaniac> i would also like to subscribe for the mailing-list
[19:24] <Rhonda> If cousteau comes around again, I am not responsible for the uptime of the system, only for the codebase. :)
[19:25] <Rhonda> Ah, xnox jumped in.
[19:26] <xnox> Rhonda: I remember somebody came back from vacation and was replying to backlogs
[19:26] <nigelb> Rhonda: Oh, you own that codebase now?
[19:27] <xnox> "pers-1: oh this is a horrible bug", half an hour later "pers-2: oooh this might fix", 10 minutes later "pers-3: thanks for taking care of that"
[19:27] <xnox> almost wants me to say read *all* the scrollback before replying =)
[19:31] <Rhonda> nigelb: Who "owns" a git repository? :)
[19:32] <nigelb> heh
[19:32] <nigelb> whoever has a last commit? :D
[19:32] <Rhonda> But I have access to deploy on the system, if that's what you mean.
[19:34] <xnox> Rhonda: ooh it's back! =)
[19:37] <Rhonda> That's neither my fault, xnox ;)
[20:09] <cousteau> this is UNFAIR!
[20:09] <cousteau> why was the package nvidia-173 fixed but not nvidia-96?
[20:09] <cousteau> (and, could it be fixed in the same way the -173 was?)
[20:11] <xnox> cousteau: what do you mean by "fixed"?
[20:11] <xnox> cousteau: marked to be incompatible?
[20:11] <cousteau> xnox, a broken dependency has been replaced by a working one
[20:12] <cousteau> xorg-video-abi-10 by xorg-video-abi-11
[20:12] <cousteau> (I think)
[20:12] <cousteau> ps: I'm talking about precise
[20:13] <cousteau> (not sure if this was fixed quite long ago)
[20:31] <Rhonda> cousteau: Hey.  Btw., I can do nothing about server not reachable or down.  I am only behind the codebase tinkering. :)
[20:31] <Rhonda> I'm not in the canonical sysadmin team (unfortunately)
[20:33] <cousteau> ok, good to know...  thanks anyway  :)
[22:05]  * ajmitch looks up & sees complaints about binary drivers
[22:14]  * xnox .oO(the complaints look down on ajmitch)
[22:15] <ajmitch> probably
[22:15] <ajmitch> it's not like we can do a lot about old binary drivers :)
[22:18] <astraljava> I was really surprised to see that nouveau works very well on that one 3D game that I occasionally play. I'm happy to see that moving away from proprietary (totally) is again a little closer. :)


[14:17] <nigel_nb> hello :)
[15:19] <FFEMTcJ> hey nigel_nb
[15:26] <nigel_nb> hey FFEMTcJ :)
[15:26] <nigel_nb> i've mailed the 2 people from my loco who've volunteered to take classes
[15:29] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[15:29] <FFEMTcJ> still need to get courses from some ppl
[15:31] <nigel_nb> aw
[15:31] <nigel_nb> I'm still workin on the graphics
[15:33] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nigelbabu/4197256675/
[15:33] <nigel_nb> crude and childish
[15:33] <nigel_nb> brb
[15:53] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo
[15:53] <nigel_nb> hows the holidays going :)
[15:54] <doctormo> hey nigel_nb
[15:55] <nigel_nb> I'm completely into christmas mode now ;)
[15:59] <doctormo> nice
[16:00] <nigel_nb> doctormo: off to work now, got some fun and games today ;)
[16:00] <doctormo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAUs0rcsA4
[16:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Do you guys play darts for Christmas?
[16:13] <nigel_nb> doctormo: its a mixed group of very few christians
[16:13] <nigel_nb> so, we made it general
[16:13] <nigel_nb> and plus, its not per se christmas games, it is "games because its christmas and there is less work"
[16:14] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Christmas is secular ;-)
[16:14] <nigel_nb> not in India :P
[16:16] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Solstic?
[16:16] <nigel_nb> no one even knew wat was solistice until I said it
[16:16] <nigel_nb> we dont have much work these days
[16:16] <nigel_nb> its just getting together for the holidays
[16:16] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Sounds like a secular celibration of christmas to me :-)
[16:17] <nigel_nb> doctormo: more like that ;)
[16:17] <nigel_nb> loads of fun
[16:17] <nigel_nb> the blind folded game was awesome
[16:17] <nigel_nb> even more excellent was the dumb charades..but dont have photos of that right now
[16:18] <doctormo> See Holidays == Holy Days... Better word is Bank Holiday (Prey to the Bank) :-P
[16:18] <doctormo> sounds like you guys had a lot of fun
[16:20] <doctormo> nigel_nb: What religion are you btw?
[16:20] <nigel_nb> doctormo: Christian, Protestant
[16:21] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Ah, that explains what you were saying. I'm Apatheist, all English people are born Christian by default (no choice) but I decided it wasn't for me.
[16:21] <nigel_nb> doctormo: same as atheist
[16:22] <nigel_nb> ?
[16:23] <nigel_nb> okay, I'm for the second edition
[16:23] <nigel_nb> they can't start without me
[16:24] <nigel_nb> I'm the official photographer :P
[16:24] <nigel_nb> night doctormo :)
[16:24] <doctormo> nigel_nb: night
[16:24] <doctormo> Not same a athiest
[16:24] <nigel_nb> oh
[16:24] <nigel_nb> lemme see what I can dig up about it
[16:25] <doctormo> Athiests anwser question, Apathiests say that the question is irrelivent.
[16:25] <doctormo> "Does Goed Exist" Answer: "What a pointless question, I don't care either way"
[16:25] <nigel_nb> doctormo: one day I'll get to see you and pleia2 talk about it ;)
[16:25] <doctormo> yup
[16:25] <nigel_nb> I guess that would be fun to watch
[17:09] <FFEMTcJ> doctormo: I struggle with email sorting too.. lol
[17:10] <FFEMTcJ> ls
[17:10] <FFEMTcJ> oops


[09:37] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Greetings from Ubuntu MATE :-)
[09:37] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Are you guys planning to participate in Alpha 2?
[10:42] <mgedmin> extensions.gnome.org/local make epiphany's WebKitPlugin process segfault after 1st interaction
[10:42] <mgedmin> my webkit seems to be from gnome3-staging ppa (vivid)
[10:43] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1477503
[10:43] <mgedmin> (gotta love private bugs)
[10:43] <mgedmin> (nm, apport-retrace will come, fail to get a useful stacktrace, and mark it no longer private)
[10:55] <darkxst> hey flexiondotorg
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, o/
[10:56] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, yes I believe we will be, still block on a few core bits, but most of GNOME 3.16 is in now
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Did you see Laney's email to the release ML looking for flavours to help with checklist items?
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, Ubuntu MATE want to participate in Alpha 2.
[10:56] <darkxst> mgedmin, gnome3-staging has the new webkitgtk
[10:57] <flexiondotorg> darkxst, I'm up for helping with checklist item and release announcement, but would like some help.
[10:57] <flexiondotorg> Anyone from Ubuntu GNOME up for helping with that?
[10:57] <flexiondotorg> Xubuntu are not doing Alpha 2.
[10:59] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, I can't do it timezones are an issue here, and I am flat out atm anyway, Ali is probably too busy also, Lance would be a good candidate, but he has a phobia of IRC
[10:59] <flexiondotorg> Ah.
[10:59] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[10:59] <flexiondotorg> I am considering taking 2 days off work.
[10:59] <flexiondotorg> Because at this rate Alpha 2 will not happen.
[11:00] <flexiondotorg> Thanks for getting back to me, I'll see if Kubuntu or Lubuntu are interested in help.
[11:00] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, mind you just read Ali's email (only just got home)
[11:00] <darkxst> IMHO, we should not go for A2 without this first:
[11:00] <darkxst> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2015-July/003265.html
[11:02] <darkxst> and to be honest I am not too concerned if it happens or not, we normally only do the early ones, to try and keep the QA team active
[11:04] <darkxst> but to be honest, I don't really think its 2 days of work, many of the items on the checklist involve pressing buttons that only core-dev's can do
[11:05] <darkxst> so not sure much is left after than other than finding out who is participating, and then nagging the flavours to complete testing on time
[12:10] <darkxst> flexiondotorg, what is your email? i'll ask on our QA list if anyone can help you
[14:26] <LinDol> good evening :)
[14:26] <LinDol> hi all


[00:11] <nathwill> oh yeah... sumo
[00:11] <nathwill> why should i join?
[00:11] <c_smith> nathwill, hmmm?
[00:14] <nathwill> hey c_smith... was wondering why bkerensa thinks i should join sumo-hackers
[00:15] <c_smith> nathwill, lol
[02:30] <bkerensa> hi nathwill
[02:39] <nathwill> hey bkerensa
[02:40] <nathwill> you're a villain
[02:40] <bkerensa> nathwill: Of epic proportions
[02:40] <nathwill> massive easter-egg hunt :D
[02:40] <nathwill> lolz
[02:40] <bkerensa> it is spring after all
[02:40] <nathwill> :P
[02:41] <nathwill> since i already know half the answers, i'm gonna give myself a 30 minute handicap
[02:41] <bkerensa> tgm4883: your silly
[02:41] <bkerensa> :D
[02:42] <tgm4883> :)
[02:42] <tgm4883> Gotta love me some contests :)
[02:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: if it takes anyone 30 mins to do that then uhh idk if they should be using Linux
[02:42] <bkerensa> :D
[02:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: tgm4883 did it in 3 mins
[02:42] <bkerensa> :P
[02:42] <nathwill> oh snap
[02:44] <tgm4883> well I do know everything
[02:44] <tgm4883> I had to look most of those up
[02:45] <tgm4883> I think I only knew 3, and part of 5
[02:45] <bkerensa> Dinner: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0484pc18e
[02:45] <bkerensa> btw what is a acceptable pizza tip anyways especially if its only three blocks away?
[02:45] <bkerensa> :P
[02:45] <bkerensa> I always drop a $5
[02:46] <tgm4883> $5 sounds fine to me
[02:47] <bkerensa> some of the mom and pop pizza places out here have insane prices
[02:47] <bkerensa> UFO Pizza is almost $25 for a pie
[02:47] <bkerensa> :(
[02:47] <bkerensa> and Hammys is expensive too
[02:48] <cy1> That's why I make my own pizza. But it's a challenge to make any kind of dough in colder climates like this...
[02:48] <cy1> give a bigger tip if it's only 3 blocks away or they might send someone over to rough you up.
[02:59] <nathwill> ok, now it's whiskey time
[03:12] <nathwill> and salmon hour!
[03:48] <sbeattie> bkerensa: flying pie. it's also $25 for a pie, but the thicker crusts ones are like two meals.
[05:13] <pjizzle> pegasus or sy's is the pizza of choice in the EUG
[05:13] <bkerensa> :D
[05:15] <nathwill> wow, the flickr app on android is hella slow to upload...
[05:17] <bkerensa> nathwill: inform your CEO and ask for the job
[05:17] <bkerensa> :P
[05:17] <bkerensa> demand a All-Hands :P
[05:18] <nathwill> no, all-hands are received for the bi-annual occasions when we get a new ceo :P
[05:18] <bkerensa> lol
[05:18] <bkerensa> send the pitch up the internal mailing list :)
[05:18] <bkerensa> and hope for no walkout
[05:20] <nathwill> yeah, i shoulda just used the native camera app
[05:56] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf
[05:58] <nathwill> dude, texas is as big as ceres
[05:59] <nathwill> ha, minecraft world
[05:59] <nathwill> that's awesome
[06:15] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://i.imgur.com/AizEG.jpg
[06:57] <cy1> bkerensa: wut
[06:58] <bkerensa> cy1: you looking at my horns ^
[06:58] <bkerensa> cy1: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bkerensa/6342050941/sizes/l/in/set-72157627710899733/
[07:15] <cy1> That scale2 thing is... ludicrous...
[07:25] <cy1> bkerensa: So what's with the cops I dun' get it. Surveilling them?
[07:26] <bkerensa> cy1: was from when the camps were still in the parks
[07:27] <cy1> ...oh
[07:27] <cy1> I never got to see that. :/
[07:27] <bkerensa> just thought it was funny the guy was wearing fuzzy black horns and a homeland security cop was looking astonished
[07:27] <bkerensa> :D
[07:31] <cy1> I guess that could be astonished.
[07:31] <cy1> Funny looking ski hats have long since divested me of any reaction to odd winter headwear.
[11:12] <hughessd> anyone awake? i could use some help....
[11:22] <nibalizer> hughessd: with what?
[11:23] <hughessd> i am trying to upgrade the company server from 10.04 to 12.04
[11:23] <hughessd> and after the reboot it says it can't mount the root partition
[11:23] <hughessd> and thank you for replying, nibalizer
[11:24] <nibalizer> hughessd: yikes, does it drop you off in a rescue shell or something?
[11:24] <hughessd> yes, it gives me the option of typing 'm' for manual recover (as root w/password) or skipping and continuing with the boot,
[11:24] <hughessd> which fails bc there is no hdd
[11:28] <nibalizer> yea
[11:29] <nibalizer> did you go to the manual recovery?
[11:29] <nibalizer> sounds like we need to lvchange -a y or fsck it or something
[11:29] <hughessd> yes, it is just the command line
[11:30] <hughessd> i did 'touch /forcefsck'
[11:30] <nibalizer> okay
[11:30] <hughessd> but that didn't force it
[11:30]  * nibalizer personally believs forcefsck is lies
[11:30] <nibalizer> did you manually fsck it?
[11:30] <hughessd> no i did not
[11:31] <hughessd> ill try it when it comes up again
[11:31] <nibalizer> did it say 'root did not appear' or 'root had errors'?
[11:31] <hughessd> hmmm
[11:31] <nibalizer> i keep getting bit by this weird behiavior where the logical volume gets all deactivated
[11:31] <hughessd> here is what I can glean
[11:32] <hughessd> the first line at the top of the a screen says "root file system check failed"
[11:32] <hughessd> but that is only what didn't get pushed off the screen
[11:32] <nibalizer> eh no worries
[11:32] <nibalizer> get back to the emergency shell and fsck it
[11:32] <nibalizer> I can talk you through that if you need
[11:33] <hughessd> then when i cat /etc/fstab it has '/dev/sda1 on / ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr)'
[11:33] <hughessd> so the hd is being mounted,
[11:33] <hughessd> just not in time for the xserver or whatever is drawing the screen to catch it and make use of it
[11:33] <hughessd> ok
[11:34] <hughessd> so if you think the next step is fsck, i'm ready to go
[11:34] <hughessd> i should unmount first, right?
[11:36] <nibalizer> uh
[11:36] <nibalizer> hrm
[11:37] <nibalizer> so it sounds like you have your root filesystem
[11:37] <nibalizer> what does 'mount' show you
[11:38] <hughessd> mount gives
[11:40] <hughessd> aw crap
[11:40] <hughessd> did it not send all that i just typed
[11:40] <hughessd> curses
[11:40] <nibalizer> uh oh
[11:40] <hughessd> oh well
[11:40] <hughessd> mount has
[11:40] <hughessd> dev/sda1
[11:40] <nibalizer> the point is what is / mounted on?
[11:41] <nibalizer> er what is mounted on /
[11:41] <hughessd> ah i get it ,i  can't put a slash in front of things...
[11:41] <hughessd> grrr
[11:41] <nibalizer> haha
[11:41] <hughessd> im not good at irc
[11:41] <nibalizer> if you double // it lets you
[11:41] <nibalizer> /hai
[11:41] <nibalizer> or [space]/
[11:41] <nibalizer>  /hai
[11:41] <hughessd> exact line is;
[11:42] <hughessd> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_attr)
[11:42] <nibalizer> so yea, you have your root, ubuntu just wants you to fsck it
[11:43] <nibalizer> if you unmount root you're gonna have a bad time though
[11:43] <nibalizer> do you have a liveCD or something?
[11:44] <hughessd> um
[11:44] <hughessd> maybe
[11:44] <hughessd> i think i have a liveUSB around,
[11:45] <nibalizer> if /forcefsck isn't doing it for it
[11:45] <hughessd> and at least some old old liveCDs around
[11:45] <hughessd> ok, hang on a sec while i go search around....
[11:46] <nibalizer> what does 'fsck.ext3 -n /dev/sda1` show?
[11:49] <hughessd> /dev/sda1: clean,
[11:49] <hughessd> 2330372/14606336 files,
[11:50] <hughessd> 37492553/58418356 blocks
[11:50] <nibalizer> hi
[11:51] <nibalizer> so it looks, like, good
[11:52] <nibalizer> and on reboots it complians that you've got a bad / ?
[11:52] <hughessd> yes
[11:53] <hughessd> there is probably a way to get more error messages but I can't seem to find them
[11:53] <hughessd> besides /var/log/syslog
[11:53] <hughessd> and kern.log
[11:53] <hughessd> i founda live usb if that helps
[11:55] <nibalizer> yea prolly reboot into liveusb
[11:56] <nibalizer> then more diagnostics we will perform
[11:56] <nibalizer> how long did you get for a downtime window
[11:57] <hughessd> i have until 7 or 8 perhaps
[11:57] <hughessd> ill get it booted in to the live distro
[11:57] <nibalizer> okay
[12:02] <hughessd> hm it's saying cd rom drive not found
[12:03] <hughessd> i have both cd rom and usb live distros...
[12:04] <hughessd> i turned on all ata drives in the BIOS
[12:04] <hughessd> fingers crossed
[12:05] <hughessd> hm
[12:06] <hughessd> not working
[12:06] <nibalizer> fuuuu
[12:06] <hughessd> this is no bueno
[12:06] <nibalizer> yea
[12:06] <hughessd> im going to stick the usb in to see if that's recognized
[12:07] <nibalizer> okay
[12:07] <hughessd> im workign with a Dell PowerEdge 1950 Server
[12:07] <hughessd> if that helps at all
[12:07] <nibalizer> i have no idea what to do really
[12:07] <nibalizer> i think you should ask on ubuntu-server as well as here
[12:08] <hughessd> ok,
[12:08] <hughessd> i asked in the regular ubuntu room and they ignored me
[12:14] <hughessd> this is weird
[12:14] <hughessd> it says / isn't ready
[12:14] <hughessd> so i push S
[12:14] <hughessd> then it says /tmp isn't ready
[12:14] <hughessd> so i push S
[12:14] <hughessd> then it says UUID = blahblahblah sin't ready (which is the swap)
[12:14] <hughessd> wtf is going on, is it just thinking that nothing is ready?
[12:19] <hughessd> ok the liveUSB is working....
[12:21] <nibalizer> this is no good
[12:21] <nibalizer> fsck everything
[12:21] <hughessd> ok
[12:21] <hughessd> the USB is plugged in, i went into BIOS to make sure its in the boot sequence
[12:22] <nibalizer> fsck the ubuntu drives
[12:22] <hughessd> the server is rebooted and it gets to the Unetbootin Screen
[12:22] <hughessd> so i just choose 'check disk'
[12:22] <nibalizer> woot
[12:23] <nibalizer> no wit
[12:23] <nibalizer> check disk is like verify the usb driev
[12:23] <hughessd> "check disc for defects"
[12:23] <nibalizer> boot off the usb drive
[12:23] <hughessd> yeah
[12:23] <hughessd> that's what i figured..
[12:23] <hughessd> ok
[12:23] <hughessd> Trying Ubuntu w/o installing....
[12:24] <hughessd> ok, desktop now
[12:25] <hughessd> since im in the usb
[12:25] <hughessd> do i have to chroot to the other file system?
[12:26] <nibalizer> don't have to chroot
[12:26] <nibalizer> just echo /dev/sd*
[12:27] <nibalizer> figure out which ones are the ubuntu fses
[12:27] <nibalizer> and fsck
[12:28] <hughessd> sda, sda1, sda2, sda5
[12:28] <hughessd> im guessing sda1
[12:30] <nibalizer> yea
[12:31] <hughessd> hm
[12:31] <hughessd> sudo fsck /dev/sda1
[12:31] <hughessd> e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[12:32] <hughessd> /dev/sda1: clean , #/# files, #/# blocks
[12:32] <nibalizer> hrm
[12:32] <nibalizer> try the other ones too
[12:33] <hughessd> sda2 said "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open" " could this be a zero-length partition"
[12:33] <hughessd> ?
[12:35]  * nibalizer shrugs
[12:35] <nibalizer> i got nothing
[12:35] <hughessd> hm
[12:35] <hughessd> ill try to other one
[12:35] <nibalizer> if it passes fsck then its clean
[12:35] <nibalizer> why would ubuntu not let it boot
[12:36] <nibalizer> is there anything relevant in dmesg /var/log/syslolg /var/log/messages?
[12:36] <hughessd> sda1 is clean, sda2 is zero size and sda5 is sqp
[12:36] <hughessd> swap
[12:36] <nibalizer> hrm
[14:30] <pjizzle> sorry hughessd!
[14:31] <hughessd> :)
[14:31] <hughessd> if you're here to help then no need to apologize
[14:31] <hughessd> im at wits end....
[14:32] <pjizzle> well, in my many failed linux installs and upgrades, i've never encountered that
[14:33] <pjizzle> post on ubuntuforums.org and wait a few days...someone can help no doubt
[14:34] <hughessd> ...
[14:34] <hughessd> this is the company LTSP server
[14:34] <hughessd> many people need this to work today
[14:34] <hughessd> ive been here since 11pm last night
[14:34] <hughessd> this was...unforeseen
[18:16] <bkerensa> hi nathwill
[18:16] <bkerensa> nathwill: You cant grab all the charms :P
[18:16] <nathwill> eh?
[18:16] <nathwill> i grabbed 2?
[18:17] <nathwill> i think there are many more pieces of software...
[18:17] <bkerensa> i know... I just need moar for this contest
[18:17] <bkerensa> :D
[18:17] <nathwill> i'm just trying to make things more complicated for the people in the contest
[18:17] <nathwill> make them earn those prizes
[18:17] <bkerensa> my landlord offered me a entire month rent if I painted the unit next door
[18:17] <bkerensa> lulz
[18:17] <bkerensa> Not a chance was the response
[18:17] <bkerensa> :P
[18:19] <nathwill> haha
[18:19] <nathwill> lots o' work
[18:20] <bkerensa> :) Yeah and so far I have not paid full rent for the last three months
[18:20] <bkerensa> since I have been doing improvements which I bill him for
[18:20] <bkerensa> :P
[18:22] <nathwill> nice
[18:39] <nathwill> ugh, home inspection just came through
[18:39] <nathwill> making the house smell like salmon last night may not have been my best idea...
[18:40] <bkerensa> LOL
[18:40] <bkerensa> nathwill: :) what did they have to say?
[18:40] <bkerensa> :P
[18:40] <nathwill> nothing.
[18:41] <nathwill> they came in, wandered around, and left
[18:41] <nathwill> it took all of about 3min
[18:41] <nathwill> but we'll see if i get a letter
[18:41] <nathwill> our office is a disaster, because we're reorganizing everything
[18:41] <kees> nathwill: you going to UDS?
[18:42] <nathwill> kees: nope. i'd like to, but can't really afford to, we're saving for a down payment on a house
[18:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: apply for membership then apply for sponsorship next cycle?
[18:42]  * bkerensa will likely not go next cycle
[18:42] <bkerensa> :P
[18:43] <nathwill> bkerensa: yes, i plan on applying for membership soon. you've convinced me that Ubuntu Membership is not like membership in the Hitler Jugend
[18:43] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:44] <bkerensa> maybe I will be on the membership board when you apply
[18:44] <bkerensa> heh
[18:44] <bkerensa> :D
[18:44] <nathwill> haha, that'd be cool
[18:45] <bkerensa> nathwill: not for you :P because I would not vote
[18:46] <bkerensa> nathwill: members get a fancy lwn.net premium acct
[18:46] <bkerensa> and a sixxs.net acct like slangasek has although they declined me one =/
[18:47] <sbeattie> bkerensa: he.net will give out ipv6 allocations for free.
[18:47] <sbeattie> and they're not as.... idiosyncratic in who they choose to give them out to as sixxs.net
[18:48] <slangasek> oh, are sixxs being stingy now?
[18:48] <bkerensa> they said my proof of address was insufficient
[18:48] <bkerensa> =/
[18:48] <slangasek> wat
[18:49] <slangasek> I don't remember being asked for my address
[18:52] <bkerensa> well when I registered they said my ip's geolocation did not match the address I provided or something
[18:52] <bkerensa> then asked me for a copy of my photo id and mail and my photo ID is still a California so yeah idk
[18:52] <nathwill> he.net is the way to go
[18:53] <bkerensa> was not worth the hassle
[18:53] <bkerensa> :P
[18:53] <bkerensa> nathwill: I got one setup just now but no idea how to create the tunnel from Ubuntu
[18:53] <bkerensa> :D
[18:53] <bkerensa> where can I RTFM?
[18:53] <nathwill> they has instructions...
[18:53] <nathwill> they has whole series of task-based tutorials
[18:53] <nathwill> very cool
[18:55] <bkerensa> nathwill: have you checked out the iTwin?
[18:55] <nathwill> is that the magical usb cloner thing?
[18:56] <nathwill> yeah, it looks pretty cool... have doubts about it working with linux
[18:56] <nathwill> in linux that technology is called "scp"
[18:56] <bkerensa> nathwill: MBA is sending me some :D
[18:56] <bkerensa> They are also sending me Verbatims new V3 Thumbdrives which are USB 3.0
[18:56] <nathwill> ah. lemme know how it works out... if it works between linux and windows boxes without too much hair-pulling, i might get some for me and the wife
[18:57] <nathwill> slick.
[18:57] <bkerensa> the wife uses redmond products
[18:57] <bkerensa> >.<
[18:58] <nathwill> yeah... mine too
[18:59] <bkerensa> she was going strong on Ubuntu for awhile but Unity on 11.04 was killing the buzz
[18:59] <bkerensa> anyways I better get ready.... My mum is coming to help me plant flowers in front and a bunch of veggies on the patio
[18:59] <nathwill> sweet. enjoy
[22:52] <nibalizer> hughessd: figure it out?
[22:52] <hughessd> nope
[22:52] <hughessd> im trying to figure out to to save the data and reinstall the LTSP environment
[22:54] <hughessd> i haven't been able to figure out what could be keeping the system from booting if the hd is recognized as clean after a fsck
[23:49] <bkerensa> >.<
[23:50] <bkerensa> i kno u has wat going on the firefox way you kno fix it k?
[23:50] <bkerensa> haz not works five yars!


[10:47] <guesswhat> can I do this https://pastebin.com/raw/c4gXMmMG ( singe nic, two vlans, each in own bridge )


 Hi do we have a room on Matrix ? I just got setup on it
 Not that I know of
 Nope! Wanna fix that? I can guide you :D
 I think before we do that it's worth sharing what we did for Lubuntu
 That would cool
 Guidance warmly welcomed
 I have element installed and my account setup
 Here are the basics, feel free to use this as a quick reference:
  1. Create a public room, assign it a handle (e.g. #kubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com or perhaps #kubuntu-support:ubuntu.com)
  2. Invite @moderator:ubuntu.com and set it as an Admin. The only mandatory part of the topic is "Please follow the CoC: https://ubuntu.com/community/ethos/code-of-conduct" (which, fun fact, that's my wording :P)
  3. Perhaps create a Kubuntu space to group all the rooms. You don't want to use #kubuntu:ubuntu.com for any specific channel, since that should be the alias for the space.
 #lubuntu:ubuntu.com is Lubuntu's Matrix space, I'd peruse the channels and topics there.
 Also, I consider it just short of mandatory to join the Ubuntu Matrix Ops and Ubuntu Flavors channels. There's a space for all of Ubuntu here: https://matrix.to/#/#community:ubuntu.com - that's a good join
 arraybolt3 is an unofficial member of the Matrix Council if you have any specific questions, otherwise I'm happy to help as well (Altispeed has used Matrix since... 2021? 2020? as our primary platform)
 @Rick_Timmis I hope this helps :)
 Thanks @tsimonq2 that's great info, I'll go have a play
[00:29] <arraybolt3> Please invite me to the room when you make it!
[00:29] <arraybolt3> I can hook you up with the moderator bot.
 OK, well turns out I created Kubuntu Kafe in 2018, wow forgot about that. Will invite you
 Federation is a bit wonky, at least for the next few days (re @Rick_Timmis: OK, well turns out I created Kubuntu Kafe in 2018, wow forgot about that. Will invite you)
 IMHO it would be better to start fresh, iff there is no activity there
 On the new official Ubuntu setu (re @tsimonq2: IMHO it would be better to start fresh, iff there is no activity there)
 Yeah (re @ahoneybun: On the new official Ubuntu setu)
 Also I'd recommend kde.org or ubuntu.com for Matrix accounts, much faster than matrix.org :)
[17:26] <arraybolt3> Any chance there's official Kubuntu artwork repos somewhere public or somewhere I could be granted access to?
[17:26] <arraybolt3> I'm trying to rebrand lubuntu-installer-prompt for Kubuntu to complete our live ISO experience.
[19:19] <valorie> hmmm, good question, arraybolt3
[19:19] <valorie> ricktimmis_: do you know? "<arraybolt3> Any chance there's official Kubuntu artwork repos somewhere public or somewhere I could be granted access to?"
[19:20] <valorie> or @ahoneybun ?
[20:30] <arraybolt3> If no one minds, I have a Kubuntu logo svg that I can use in lieu of official artwork.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> and just use the Ubuntu font in the right way
[20:31] <arraybolt3> oh haha, I can pull the Kubuntu logo from the website as an SVG
[20:31] <arraybolt3> awesome
[20:51] <ricktimmis> Keep going arraybolt, really looking forward to being able to test it.
[21:12] <arraybolt3> thanks :)
[21:12] <arraybolt3> It's coming along pretty well.
[22:12] <arraybolt3> ricktimmis: https://i.imgur.com/IjT230d.jpg
[22:12] <arraybolt3> tell me what you think, this is what I intend to upload as kubuntu-installer-prompt
[22:12] <arraybolt3> sgmoore, valorie: ^
[22:20] <ricktimmis> Looking
[22:21] <ricktimmis> OK, so my first response when the page loaded....
[22:21] <ricktimmis> Wow!!
[22:21] <ricktimmis> That looks really good
[22:38] <arraybolt3> z
[22:38]  * arraybolt3 attempting to sign into my VM and typing in the wrong text box
[22:51] <valorie> arraybolt3: that looks gorgeous!


[20:15] <sezen> geirha, what are the others?
[20:16] <geirha> sezen: to name the others, I'd need to know which you're currently using :p
[20:16] <sezen> i m using gvim for educational purpose
[20:16] <geirha> seanh: apt-cache rdepends vim-gui-common
[20:17] <geirha> seanh, sezen: oops, mixup ^
[20:18] <mettjus> is it possible to automatically confirm ufw enable? something like the -y option
[20:18] <jack-> $ aptitude why libssl0.9.8:i386
[20:18] <jack-> i   google-earth-stable Hängt ab von ia32-libs
[20:18] <jack-> why the heck...
[20:18] <ovrflw0x> i've got gnome 3.12.2 - when i maximize/unmaximize window, the min/max/close buttons of window gets "blacked out" i have to move my mouse cursor on it to see those buttons again. How to fix this? I've Radeon HD5650 discrete card
[20:19] <leonze> Whataguoin
[20:19] <leonze> Is this place pooing?
[20:19] <leonze> No one is on
[20:20] <ovrflw0x> hey leonze
[20:20] <leonze> yo
[20:20] <ovrflw0x> yo dawg wat cookin' in da hut leonze
[20:20] <leonze> chillin. doin some homework
[20:21] <leonze> so, do people here not say anything?
[20:21] <BobHoppi> eewww leonze dont remind me i got to do that today too...
[20:21] <ovrflw0x> dunno man
[20:21] <leonze> i've never really IRC'd
[20:22] <tnt> Is there any reasy that doing an apt-get update of a package keeps erasing the /etc/xxx dir that's part of that package ? In the package it's a directory, but I locally replaced it with a symlink to a config dir on another partition and after an update, the symlink is erased and replaced by an empty directory ...
[20:22] <leonze> BobHoppi DOIT DOIT DOIT
[20:22] <OerHeks> !ot | leonze ovrflw0x
[20:22] <ovrflw0x> i've got gnome 3.12.2 - when i maximize/unmaximize window, the min/max/close buttons of window gets "blacked out" i have to move my mouse cursor on it to see those buttons again. How to fix this? I've Radeon HD5650 discrete card
[20:22] <leonze> whoops! sorry
[20:22] <ovrflw0x> OerHeks, ^^
[20:22] <PaulePanter> Hi. How do I find the bug report in Launchpad after I run `ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr….crash`?
[20:22] <hexacode> anyone know any virtual usb solution for ubuntu? i want to write a program that pretends to be a keyboard or a mouse
[20:22] <BobHoppi> leonze -_- this is the ubuntu support chan you might be looking for offtopic
[20:23] <MagicSpud> how to find out which applications run as root?
[20:23] <leonze> actually, I can no longer connect my HDMI port working on my laptop
[20:23] <Pici> MagicSpud: In what context?  The ones currently running as root?
[20:23] <bjrohan> histo: sorry for the delay. My upstart script starts a minecraft server, that once running takes commands, would like it to run in screen so that I can access it.
[20:24] <leonze> I pulled it out while it was on......... prolly bad idea........... and it won't even recognize my external monitor
[20:24] <MagicSpud> Pici its a client application and I dont remember the installation process...I am fearing now it was installed as root and therefore it has root privileges
[20:24] <MagicSpud> Pici over the system
[20:24] <bprompt> hexacode:    what do you mean by "virtual usb solution"?
[20:25] <BobHoppi> sounds like a vm thing
[20:25] <BobHoppi> like esx
[20:25] <PaulePanter> MagicSpud: ps -U root -u root u
[20:25] <Loshki> bjrohan: off the top of my head, can you just start it via screen from rc.local instead of via upstart?
[20:26] <PaulePanter> MagicSpud: Straight from the examples in `man ps`!
[20:26] <mettjus> is it possible to automatically confirm ufw enable? something like the -y option?
[20:26] <PaulePanter> MagicSpud: ps aux and look at the first column.
[20:26] <bjrohan> Loshki: would starting it on rc.local give me access to the running server?
[20:26] <Loshki> mettjus: ufw status doesn't do it?
[20:27] <mettjus> Loshki: ufw status shows the current status
[20:27] <bjrohan> Loshki: Duh, yes it would. why not use upstart?
[20:27] <mettjus> i need to enable it without manual confirmation
[20:27] <sleepee> hello everybody.  does anybody own an intel 7260 wifi card and experience drops in connection??
[20:28] <Loshki> bjrohan: I'm thinking that if you start it inside screen e.g. screen minecraft <args> then you can use screen re-attach later
[20:29] <bjrohan> Loshki: yep, but why not in upstart vs rc.local? Wouldn't it be cleaner in upstart vs anything else I may need to put in rc.local in the future?
[20:30] <Loshki> mettjus: odd, mine doesn't ask for confirmation. Are you running it under sudo?
[20:31] <Loshki> bjrohan: you can put it where you like, but if you put it in the upstart script, you risk it being overwritten if you update/reinstall minecraft, and you have to edit the upstart script, which is gnarly
[20:31] <mettjus> Loshki: yes sudo
[20:31] <bjrohan> Loshki: Gotcha
[20:32] <mettjus> Loshki: mine says Command may disrupt existing ssh connections. Proceed with operation (y|n)?
[20:32] <Loshki> mettjus: ah, so does mine. One moment please...
[20:32] <mettjus> Loshki: i solved by ufw --force enable
[20:32] <Loshki> mettjus: exactly what I was looking for!
[20:33] <mettjus> but its not in man…
[20:33] <mettjus> i mean couldnt find documentation about it
[20:34] <ovrflw0x> i've got gnome 3.12.2 - when i maximize/unmaximize window, the min/max/close buttons of window gets "blacked out" i have to move my mouse cursor on it to see those buttons again. How to fix this? I've Radeon HD5650 discrete card
[20:34] <bjrohan> Loshki: When I put it in rc.local, where would any error log be?
[20:35] <Loshki> sleepee: first hit on google talks about 7260 wifi card drops: https://communities.intel.com/thread/47983. Dunno if it helps...
[20:36] <MagicSpud> PaulePanter: that command...does it show all root applications?
[20:36] <Loshki> bjrohan: probably best to invoke it something like:- screen <cmd> <args> >> /tmp/error.log 2>&1
[20:37] <PaulePanter> MagicSpud: Run `man ps`
[20:37] <kmyst> i've got a weird problem: my bios is set to local time, ntp udates the time/date correctly, but if the system ever goes down (like power loss) when i boot back up the login screen is in UTC time....anybody ever notice this?
[20:37] <MagicSpud> PaulPanter okay thanks
[20:38] <PaulePanter> MagicSpud: Quote: To see every process running as root (real & effective ID) in user format:
[20:38] <Loshki> MagicSpud: but yes, afaik, it shows every process. See also ps axf which I find useful
[20:39] <bjrohan> Loshki: does rc.local allow for respawn?
[20:40] <Loshki> mettjus: actually, my ufw man page mentions ufw --force enable explicitly for exactly this problem.
[20:40] <obscene> How to rice
[20:40] <Loshki> bjrohan: I don't think so. Does minecraft need respawning?
[20:41] <bjrohan> Not typically
[20:42] <Loshki> bjrohan: if it does, you can call a shell script from rc.local which loops, restarting minecraft if it dies. Not pretty though...
[20:42] <MagicSpud> what kworkers are?
[20:42] <MagicSpud> root      4432  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    22:32   0:00 [kworker/u:0]
[20:43] <ovrflw0x> i've got gnome 3.12.2 - when i maximize/unmaximize window, the min/max/close buttons of window gets "blacked out" i have to move my mouse cursor on it to see those buttons again. How to fix this? I've Radeon HD5650 discrete card
[20:44] <Loshki> MagicSpud: kernel worker threads. http://askubuntu.com/questions/33640/kworker-what-is-it-and-why-is-it-hogging-so-much-cpu
[20:44] <Loshki> Boy I'm on a roll today...
[20:44] <kmyst> nobody's seen a weird time problem?
[20:45] <Loshki> kmyst: no, more keywords please...
[20:45] <agu1000> Hello.   It says it's in MP4
[20:50] <kmyst> Loshki: oh and for what it's worth after said power failure bios still has the correct date/time so for some unknown reason ubuntu decides to switch to UTC.
[20:50] <agu1000> squid22: doesn't find anything
[20:51] <Loshki> kmyst: ok, that's weird & I'm out of my depth. Keep asking, maybe someone else knows...
[20:51] <squid22> can you tell me the name of a file partially?
[20:51] <squid22> I want to make the command more specific..
[20:51] <Guest92043> squid22: You talking to me?
[20:51] <agu1000> squid22: catkin_ws is a directory i had at /home/catkin_ws
[20:51] <squid22> ok
[20:51] <agu1000> oops, /home/lucas/catkin_ws
[20:51] <agu1000> (my home)
[20:52] <agentx0r> Hi folks. I'm trying to install the updates that the Software Updater presented to me, but I'm getting the following error, could someone kindly help? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7738692/
[20:52] <agu1000> so it was ~/catkin_ws
[20:52] <kmyst> Loshki: hehehe it's a very strange issue but I can reproduce it repeatedly, just started happening like within the last few weeks....nobody seems to have an idea :)
[20:52] <squid22> try this: "find / -type d -iname "catkin*"
[20:52] <squid22> make sure catkin* is in quotes ""
[20:52] <agu1000> squid22: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7738701/
[20:53] <agu1000> squid22: it only finds other files, not in home.
[20:53] <agu1000> squid22: my /home is mounted to another partition. i think it might not be mounting correctly. how can i read the directories in sda1?
[20:53] <squid22> hmmmm I see...
[20:53] <Loshki> kmyst: yeah, wish I knew more about these things. Can you change the bios battery (grasps at straw)...
[20:53] <squid22> @agu1000 no catkin stuff under home
[20:53] <Andrew_Steve> hello
[20:54] <agu1000> my /home is sda1. but i think it's not really working, squid22. How can I see sda1 as a directory?
[20:54] <HadS3xwithPICI> Hey baby
[20:54] <HadS3xwithPICI> Wanna have fun?
[20:54] <agu1000> HadS3xwithPICI: hi baby
[20:54] <HadS3xwithAGU> agu1000: When you get off work boi?
[20:54] <squid22> dude don't fall for that shit...that's how you get your box pwned
[20:55] <agu1000> squid22: LOL
[20:55] <squid22> try: sudo mount | column -t
[20:55] <squid22> it should tell you where is mounted
[20:55] <kmyst> Loshki: thought of that but battery seems good since no settings are lost but since it's a laptop i'm not even going to attempt that..something in ubuntu (at least my install) is borked causing that problem
[20:55] <agu1000> squid22: anyway. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7738712/
[20:56] <agu1000> squid22: it says it's on /home. but i doubt it cause it doesn't have the files it used to have
[20:56] <mettjus> anybody can help me add postgresql to ubuntu startup services?
[20:56] <squid22> yea..I see /home mounted in sad1
[20:56] <squid22> sda1
[20:57] <agu1000> squid22: i see /home/lost+found ... what is that?
[20:57] <Loshki> kmyst: Dunno where to refer you, but I think this class of bug is best dealt with in forums rather than irc...
[20:58] <squid22> @agu1000: lost+found is the directory in which fsck (filesystem check) will put files it restores from orphaned blocks. This can happen when something corrupts filesystem meta-blocks (also called i-nodes) in which the references of the blocks are stored which contain the data of a file.
[20:58] <agu1000> squid22: maybe my files went there? idk. why does a system update cause all this?
[20:59] <Loshki> agu1000: system updates are difficult, everyone's system is slightly different, no way to test them all...
[20:59] <kmyst> Loshki: aye probably so, just banking on somebody else having that problem
[21:00] <Loshki> kmyst: it's kind of a specialist area, that close to boot time...
[21:00] <agu1000> Loshki: it deletes my /home files? i even have them in a different partition to avoid loss :P
[21:00] <ki7mt> squid22, he also had /home on a separate partition to begin with, then remounted with when asking / discussing this earlier with ikonia
[21:00] <kmyst> Loshki: yup
[21:01] <squid22> @agu1000 I have been using Linux distros (Debian Based) including Ubuntu for a very long time and i have never seen that problem
[21:01] <squid22> @agu1000 Did you read what @Ki7mt said? Is that true?
[21:01] <agu1000> squid22: ok, i'll try booting a liveCD and reading sda1 to see if it has my files.
[21:02] <Loshki> agu1000: of course it's not *supposed* to delete your /home files. But accidents happen. The smart money does full backups, especially just before an upgrade
[21:02] <agu1000> yeah i see
[21:02] <ronin2> if I write a command with space before the actual line, is it possible to track those commands (those are not put in the command history)
[21:02] <Loshki> agu1000: yes, boot the live cd, then we can poke around and see what's where. Do you know about pastebin?
[21:03] <Loshki> ronin2: I just tried, and they go in *my* history, space or not...
[21:03] <squid22> @ronin2 by doing that they won't show on the "history" command log but if you have a keylogger that's another story ;)
[21:05] <Loshki> Er, I don't do anything special, they're just there:   524   ls
[21:05] <squid22> try double spaces
[21:05] <squid22> @Loshki I just tried it and it worked for me
[21:06] <Loshki> squid22: nope. I'm running bash version 4.2.25(1). You?
[21:07] <squid22> 4.3.11(1)
[21:07] <Loshki> Ah, it's configurable (of course). See HISTCONTROL/ignorespace in the man page...
[21:08] <agu1000> so in my liveCD i can access sda1, but I cannot unencrypt my home folder inside of it. How can I do that?
[21:09] <squid22> true...there you go
[21:09] <ronin2> Loshki: do you have HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:ignorespace in .bashrc
[21:09] <agu1000> squid22: what could i do to read my "lucas" encrypted directory in sda1 from a LiveCD?
[21:10] <Laibsch> There's an annoying thing since trusty.  Whereas in previous releases a click on the scroll-bar resulted in one page scroll up or down nowadays it jumps to the relative position where you click (clicking in the top 10% will bring you to the top 10% of the document).  How to go back to the old behaviour, please?
[21:11] <squid22> @agu1000: Try that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[21:11] <Loshki> ronin2: no, I don't, which presumably explains why I see them in my history file, and others don't. Mystery solved, I hope...
[21:11] <squid22> it shows you how to recover stuff from encrypted file syste,
[21:11] <squid22> **syste,
[21:11] <squid22> **system
[21:12] <Loshki> 3rd time's a charm...
[21:12] <ki7mt> That was not brought up previously either, if it was I missed it (env /home that is ).
[21:13] <squid22> I wan to share one of my favorite sites with all of you: www.commandlinefu.com
[21:13] <ki7mt> s/env home/encrypted /home/g
[21:13] <squid22> I am sure some of you will thank me later.
[21:15] <ki7mt> I get hits on it now and again, always seems usefull.
[21:15] <Loshki> what is "lucas" encryption, when I google it I get guys named lucas talking about their disks...
[21:15] <agu1000> squid22:
[21:15] <agu1000> sudo: encryptfs-recover-private: command not found
[21:15] <squid22> @agu1000 you have to apt-get install it
[21:15] <Loshki> agu1000: install it, just like on a regular system...
[21:16] <squid22> @agu1000 sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils
[21:17] <agu1000> Loshki: squid22: ecryptfs-utils is already the newest version.
[21:17] <ki7mt> Loshki, its LUCas actually, it's an encryption sequence for cryptology.
[21:17] <squid22> @agu1000 You have to start where it says: Recovering Your Data Manually
[21:18] <squid22> @agu1000 scroll down
[21:18] <lucas--> squid22: ok.
[21:19] <Loshki> It's ecrypt, not eNcrypt, btw...
[21:19] <Loshki> ki7mt: thanks
[21:20] <lucas--> squid22: mount: unknown filesystem type 'encryptfs'
[21:21] <squid22> @Lucas did you do tried with the "-t"
[21:21] <lucas--> yes
[21:21] <squid22> that specifies the type
[21:21] <lucas--> I did.
[21:22] <Loshki> Hmm. Missing some encrypted file libraries?
[21:22] <lucas--> squid22: i got mount: unknown filesystem type 'encryptfs'
[21:23] <Loshki> lucas--: because, for the 2nd time, there is no N.  You don't have your filesystem back yet...
[21:26] <squid22> lmao!
[21:26] <lucas--> squid22: hmm, i'm getting this: WARNING: Based on the contents of [/root/.ecryptfs/sig-cache.txt], it looks like you have never mounted with this key  before. This could mean that you have typed your  passphrase wrong.
[21:27] <Loshki> lucas--: you are *sure* about your passphrase, right?
[21:27] <squid22> I was going to ask that too
[21:27] <lucas--> Loshki: no. I only set up a password for my user. no more than that.
[21:27] <lucas--> i never "backed up" my passphrase
[21:27] <squid22> opps
[21:28] <lucas--> This is why windows works better. Lack of "security" is the most important feature to have.
[21:28] <vaiolin> Hello, using a old Sony Vaio VGN-FJ270, installed Skype fine, but builtin webcam shows no video, how can I get it working?
[21:28] <squid22> @Lucas lol go ahead and re-install Windows 7/8
[21:29] <lucas--> I thought encryption was done in a reasonable way :P
[21:29] <squid22> @Lucas I'm sure you would love it :D
[21:29] <lucas--> squid22: i have it in dual boot. i'll just disable home encryption cause it's useless
[21:29] <ki7mt> lucas--, it's only useless if you dont know how to use it.
[21:29] <codephobic> hi, anybody tried using Compass (sass) to watch a folder shared over samba, on ubuntu 14.04?
[21:29] <squid22> I have dual boot also...with Windows 7
[21:30] <lucas--> ki7mt: i know how to use it, but it's still very annoying to use
[21:30] <codephobic> I'm having a permissions problem with a ruby file (sass/util.rb), giving me a "operation not permitted" EPERM error, when I try "Compass watch htdocs"
[21:31] <ki7mt> lucas--, have read this thread for the past two hours+, you may want to get a refresher on CLI and Basic enc usage then.
[21:31] <Loshki> codephobic: see also #ruby
[21:31] <lucas--> squid22: does this mean the update removed my encryption keys?
[21:32] <codephobic> Loshki, thanks will ask there too - just figured given the layers involved, this place might be my best shot
[21:32] <codephobic> :)
[21:32] <squid22> perhaps d(0_o)b
[21:32] <ki7mt> lucas--, Previously, you did not mention that your orig /home was encrypted, nor was it on a seperate partition, then you remounted yet said nothing of encryption then either.
[21:33] <lucas--> ki7mt: i did say it was on a separate partition. i didn't think encryption was important, nor did i remember i activated it.
[21:33] <lucas--> But it seems encryption doesn't even let me see what files are inside?
[21:34] <squid22> @agu1000 That's encryption doing its job!
[21:34] <ki7mt> lucas--, yes you told ikonia it was open a separate partition but not squid22 who was trying to help you now. While they may seem minor to you, they are major components inf the recovery effort, if it's even possible at this point.
[21:35] <lucas--> ki7mt: yes, i didn't notice of encryption. i thought squid22 read when i said it was another partition.
[21:35] <lucas--> Ok, i'm going to reboot now and try from inside my ubuntu again.
[21:36] <Loshki> agu1000 has better communication skills lucas-- ...
[21:36] <lucas--> Loshki: LOL
[21:36] <ki7mt> At this point, it's unknown where the original /home partition even is.
[21:37] <lucas--> ki7mt: it is in sda1
[21:37] <ki7mt> Or I should say "was"
[21:38] <lucas--> ki7mt: yes. it should be in sda1 unless the system update moved/deleted it
[21:38] <lucas--> ki7mt: any idea where my passphrase might be saved?
[21:39] <ki7mt> LOL yeah, in your thoughts somewhere maybe, unless you wrote it down, which is not wise.
[21:40] <lucas--> ki7mt: i didn't even see it. isn't it supposed to be the same as my user password? i never made one
[21:41] <squid22> hi @Lucas I am afraid that doesn't get saved anywhere. The reason why is because otherwise it would be a security threat. Hence what what would be the purpose of encryption?
[21:41] <ki7mt> lucas--, Even is there was a file that had your enc PW, it's encrypted too, and you can't access it as you dont know what the PW is, kinda of a Pandora's box wouldn't you say ?
[21:41] <lucas--> squid22: can't i get encryption only using my ACTUAL user password instead???
[21:42] <lucas--> ki7mt: yeah, that's why i think that encryption system is annoying :)
[21:42] <squid22> @lucas Do you mean that your password is the same as the passphrase?
[21:42] <ki7mt> lucas--, really shouldn't blame the system for doing it's job properly.
[21:42] <lucas--> squid22: i mean that it should be so i can actually access my data in the future
[21:43] <Loshki> lucas--: I think you should keep your nose out of other people's encrypted data...
[21:43] <lucas--> ki7mt: how else are you supposed to decrypt the data?
[21:43] <lucas--> how does ubuntu know the passphrase if the file where it's saved is encrypted anyway??
[21:44] <squid22> @lucas I think Linux, specially Ubuntu does a very good job with encryption. Are you trying to access somebody else's data here?
[21:44] <lucas--> when I login, how does ubuntu decrypt my folder if I didn't input the passphrase?
[21:44] <lucas--> no. it's my home folder
[21:44] <lucas--> that i can't access even though i know my user's password
[21:45] <ki7mt> lucas--, With a pass-phrase or passkey, neither of which you seems to have or have access too.
[21:45] <lumps> If I've setup my "ip=" boot params for my network device, is there any reason why "fetch=" doesn't reach out to my webserver?
[21:45] <Loshki> lucas--: A user's password and their passphrase are two different things, and should be kept different (and apart).
[21:45] <lucas--> ki7mt: how does ubuntu access the data then?
[21:45] <squid22> @lucas the way is simple. I think Ubuntu uses symmetrical encryption basically uses the same key to encrypt and decrypt the data. If you happen to forget or lose that key, recovery of the data is extremely hard
[21:45] <lucas--> ki7mt: if ubuntu has that passkey, then i should be able to find it, right?
[21:45] <|PuNKCaT|> can someone help me find and uninstall a package which has utterly borked my machine please?
[21:46] <lucas--> squid22: that means ubuntu is storing the key somewhere?
[21:46] <Loshki> lucas--: no, it's hashed, which means that though you can recognise it when you see it, you can't retrieve it...
[21:46] <GerardauTaquet> hello lads
[21:46] <ki7mt> lucas--, No, it's not the systems fault you can't remember it, it's doing it's job, keep you out without the proper credentials.
[21:46] <wheatthin> |PuNKCaT|, Umm was it a ppa?
[21:46] <lucas--> Loshki: but ubuntu can, right? otherwise it wouldn't be able to read the data
[21:46] <Loshki> lucas--: or we'd all be at it, decrypting other people's data
[21:47] <lucas--> ki7mt: yes but I am the actual user that encrypted it, and i did not tell ubuntu to forget the passphrase
[21:47] <|PuNKCaT|> I don't know the name fully, was a java 7 with iced tea, I'm hoping if someone can tell me how to search I can kill it - it's destroyed firefox, pakagemanager etc
[21:47] <ki7mt> lucas--, Sorry, but nobody here is going to help you hack an encrypted system, that's not what this channel is for.
[21:47] <lucas--> Loshki: so how did ubuntu let me in before without me knowing the passphrase?
[21:47] <wheatthin> lucas, it's not ubuntu's fault you couldn't remember it lol
[21:47] <lucas--> wheatthin: remember what? ubuntu never showed me any passphrase
[21:48] <lucas--> i didn't even input any passphrase
[21:48] <ianorlin> I recommend a safe deposit box to put hard disk encyption key
[21:48] <Loshki> lucas--: I have no idea. Maybe agu1000 did it...
[21:48] <wheatthin> it shouldn't show you any..
[21:48] <lucas--> Loshki: haha
[21:48] <wheatthin> you have to enter it
[21:48] <lucas--> wheatthin: it never asked for a passphrase
[21:48] <wheatthin> when you go to encrypt it during install, it does.
[21:48] <lucas--> unless i input my password (user password)
[21:48] <squid22> @lucas I have a question for you! If you lose your keys to your car, Should your car be able to remember it or get you an spare one if you don't?
[21:48] <lucas--> oh then i input my user password
[21:48] <lucas--> cause i never input a different one
[21:49] <lucas--> squid22: how could i access my car if i never had the key?
[21:49] <wheatthin> lucas--, remote unlock/start :P
[21:49] <lucas--> squid22: it's like a car letting you in without any key and suddently telling you: now you need a key.
[21:49] <ianorlin> how would whole disk encryption work without a key?
[21:50] <lucas--> squid22: i don't get why ubuntu was letting me write/read data without asking for my passphrase every time then?
[21:50] <Loshki> lucas--: so your password and you passphrase just happen to be identical. Not a great idea, but ok. Does it work?
[21:50] <lucas--> Loshki: i guess they were identical then. i thought the passphrase was like a hash. it's not?
[21:50] <lucas--> i thought passphrase = the hashed keys ubuntu told me to save and I didn't want to
[21:51] <Loshki> lucas--: it's not clear to me you've done enough reading to use the terminology correctly. Doesn
[21:51] <lucas--> yes. i haven't. i'm a user of ubuntu.
[21:51] <Loshki> Doesn't matter. Either you know the passphrase or you don't. If you don't, it;s virtually impossible to break...
[21:52] <lucas--> Loshki: then i guess my passphrase is my user's password (which i do know)
[21:52] <squid22> @lucas I have been doing reading and it looks like Ubuntu will give you three options: 1) log in automatically 2)require a password to log in 3)require a password to log in and decrypt your home directory
[21:52] <wheatthin> yup, and if that's so, then you might wanna re-think about installing, and writing down the passphrase
[21:52] <Loshki> lucas--: there's one very easy way to find out...
[21:52] <lucas--> squid22: i think i had 3
[21:52] <jordan4ibanez> halp. Docky crashes when I open quassel
[21:52] <lucas--> Loshki: what's that.
[21:53] <Ben64> or not do encryption, i see so many people come in here unable to access their data
[21:53] <squid22> @lucas I think he is going to say re-install
[21:53] <Loshki> lucas--: see if the disk decrypts using the passphrase...
[21:53] <apeoid> I just re-installed and it was GREAT
[21:53] <lucas--> Ben64: that's because encryption by default sucks... they should do it differently
[21:53] <|PuNKCaT|> I tried apt list installed and got nothing
[21:53] <Ben64> lucas--: how does it suck?
[21:53] <squid22> lol...here we go again
[21:53] <lucas--> Loshki: idk if i'm getting an error because of the passphrase or because of something else
[21:54] <Loshki> "encryption by default" shouldn't happen at all, IMNSHO
[21:54] <lucas--> Ben64: because it locks you out even if you're the legitimate owner
[21:54] <ki7mt> Can you say, Round -- 3 :-)
[21:54] <Ben64> lucas--: if you don't know the passphrase, that make sense
[21:54] <lucas--> Ben64: it'd be so easy to just let you in with the right user password.
[21:54] <Loshki> lucas--: and the exact text of the error is...
[21:54] <apeoid> I installed linux at least 12 times to get where I'm at today.
[21:54] <|PuNKCaT|> will dpkg --get-selections work?
[21:55] <Ben64> |PuNKCaT|: work for...?
[21:55] <squid22> @lucas you are dealing with a computer, it doesn't know if you are the legitimate owner unless you prove it to her with the encryption key
[21:55] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: just test it? :)
[21:55] <|PuNKCaT|> I installed a java thing with iced tea, it's crashed firefox, package manager etc, I don't know the full file name, i'm trying to find and uninstall via terminal
[21:55] <aaa801> im trying to setup a dns forwarder with bind9, ive setup the forward in named.conf.options and restarted bind9, but im getting query refused when i attempt a lookup on my local pc
[21:56] <|PuNKCaT|> and I don't want to destroy anything further by typing in something stupid
[21:56] <Ben64> |PuNKCaT|: "dpkg -l | grep java" see if you find it, although theres no way it crashed firefox and other stuff
[21:56] <president> Из России с любовью
[21:56] <squid22> @lucas I think I might had found your solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/238047/how-do-i-mount-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-another-ubuntu-machine
[21:57] <squid22> @president kak dela moi drugg
[21:57] <|PuNKCaT|> trust me, it's stuffed it somehow
[21:57] <president> squid22: А что на Русском не пишешь?
[21:57] <k1l_> !ru | president
[21:58] <squid22> lol
[21:58] <lucas--> Loshki: squid22: Error mounting eCryptfs: [-2] No such file or directory
[21:58] <|PuNKCaT|> because that's /all/ I've done, and I can't find or remove it, I can't get to a webpage to d/l the trusty tahr and do a clean install, I am kinda at the point I'm gonan give up and install windows
[21:58] <squid22> enough to defend myself @president
[21:59] <Ben64> |PuNKCaT|: so what are you running now
[21:59] <|PuNKCaT|> trust tahr
[21:59] <Ben64> why would you need to download it again?
[21:59] <|PuNKCaT|> was /trying/ to fix a sound issue
[21:59] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: The official download page is www.ubuntu.com
[21:59] <Ben64> |PuNKCaT|: by installing java?
[22:00] <president> squid22: А тут переводчика нету?
[22:00] <|PuNKCaT|> because it was d/led over the internet, to do a clean install I'd need to burn it to a cd or something wouldn't I?
[22:00] <|PuNKCaT|> bekks firefox won't run
[22:00] <president> squid22: Одни иностранцы
[22:00] <Loshki> lucas--: that isn't a passphrase problem. One of your argument is wrong.  I need a break, ok?
[22:01] <lucas--> squid22: yes i am
[22:01] <|PuNKCaT|> sorry this thing has crashed send a whatsit to the ubuntu thing,
[22:01] <squid22> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Live_CD_method_of_opening_a_encrypted_home_directory
[22:01] <lucas--> Loshki: sure. my home is in sda1. that's it. it's not more complex
[22:01] <president> squid22: Мы тут вдвоём Русские?
[22:01] <squid22> Number 7 or Section 7
[22:02] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Which is worthless being in this IRC channel.
[22:02] <Ben64> |PuNKCaT|: open a terminal. type "firefox", report back here what's going on
[22:02] <squid22> it should work
[22:02] <president> squid22: Нехера не понимаю что не слово то загадка
[22:02] <Ben64> president, squid22: #ubuntu-ru
[22:02] <|PuNKCaT|> (process:6777): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed Bus error (core dumped)
[22:02] <squid22> @president: нет, я кубинец просто мало знают русский
[22:03] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Is that the full output or just one line amongst other?
[22:03] <|PuNKCaT|> thats full ourput
[22:03] <squid22> @Ben64, sorry
[22:03] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: So does "sudo apt-get update" kind of "work"?
[22:04] <linux_> s
[22:04] <president> squid22: Тут можно создать свою группу или комнату?
[22:04] <squid22> lucas whats the status?
[22:04] <|PuNKCaT|> yes that worked
[22:04] <|PuNKCaT|> it didn't update anything though
[22:05] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: It updates the package lists.
[22:05] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: You can now run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" which should continue without errors.
[22:05] <squid22> @president: Я не уверен, что я могу создать собственную группу. Они хотят, чтобы изгнать вас из чата, потому что они хотят, чтобы вы говорят на английском языке
[22:06] <|PuNKCaT|> yes, 0 installed 0 upgraded
[22:06] <Ben64> |PuNKCaT|: what is the output of "ls -la ~ | grep -v $USER"
[22:06] <squid22> if you have dependencies issues try "apt-get -f install"
[22:06] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: So what did you install using iced tea?
[22:06] <lucas--> squid22: even after i access the data, i'd need to re-mount it properly on my ubuntu. why did ubuntu forget the passphrase or something? i don't get it
[22:06] <|PuNKCaT|> total 264
[22:07] <|PuNKCaT|> drwxr-xr-x  5 root root  4096 Jun 26 19:23 ..
[22:07] <tgm4883> installed 14.04 on a macbook pro 5,1, boots to garbled screen ( I think hanging during plymouth ), thoughts?
[22:07] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Thats not an answer to my question actually :)
[22:07] <|PuNKCaT|> I installed iced tea, and a java 7 package
[22:07] <squid22> @president sposiba
[22:07] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: _Which_ package?
[22:07] <|PuNKCaT|> I don't know the name of it
[22:07] <aaa801> blarg, freking bind9
[22:08] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: What did you expect that package to do then?
[22:08] <squid22> president asked me to tell you guys that he send you guys a kiss from Russia
[22:09] <|PuNKCaT|> I was told I needed to install Java so a friend could remote access my machine and fix my sound card problems - trusted friend who does this as a job, but after reboot, nothing works
[22:09] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Which doesnt answer my question, either :)
[22:09] <|PuNKCaT|> the package was java7 and iced tea was the web side part of it
[22:10] <squid22> DON'T INSTALL JAVA DUDE!
[22:10] <|PuNKCaT|> was a package which installed it rather than figuring out sun
[22:10] <bekks> squid22: stop that nonsense please
[22:10] <|PuNKCaT|> too late squid :/
[22:10] <squid22> JAVA SUCKS!
[22:10] <OerHeks> |PuNKCaT|, aftger install any java, see the java docs howto select the java you want
[22:10] <|PuNKCaT|> indutably, I was intending to uninstall as soon as the issue was fixed
[22:10] <OerHeks> !java
[22:11] <|PuNKCaT|> I can't view webpages, firefox is borked
[22:11] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Then start "firefox -P" and create a new profile
[22:12] <Viking667> Is there an easy way to upgrade a system from x86 (i386) to x86_64 in-place?
[22:12] <bekks> Viking667: No.
[22:12] <Ben64> Viking667: impossible
[22:13] <Viking667> okay, why?
[22:13] <bekks> Viking667: Because it is far more complex than just reinstalling x86_64
[22:13] <Viking667> ... go ahead...
[22:13] <|PuNKCaT|> that didn't work either
[22:14] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Define "didnt work".
[22:14] <bekks> Viking667: Thats the main reason.
[22:14] <tgm4883> on one had, I like people that want to know why something works/doesn't work. On the other hand....
[22:14] <|PuNKCaT|> I don't know, because the terminal shrunk up so I couldn't get to the error output, but it came up with the same crash report can't run send a report dialouge
[22:14] <Viking667> didn't see the reason, just a statement that "it's far more complex"
[22:14] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: "...when doing what?"
[22:15] <|PuNKCaT|> trying to firefox -P
[22:15] <OerHeks> Viking667, you canb try upgrading all packages by hand, as there is no tool to do this, it takes 48 hours or more :P
[22:15] <bekks> Viking667: Complexity can be considered a reason when asking "is there an easy way?"
[22:15] <|PuNKCaT|> seriously, is there some way to just clean install?
[22:15] <Viking667> bekks: my apologies. I forgot that.
[22:15] <|PuNKCaT|> because this has been a total nightmare
[22:15] <tgm4883> Viking667: you've got to replace every arch-dependent package that exists on the system, then replace any symlinks or other references to the locations of the items. Or you could install a fresh 64-bit version and keep your home dir
[22:16] <Viking667> tgm4883: mrm. I'm on 14.04 now.
[22:16] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Sure, you need an ISO and you need to burn it onto a dvd or create an usb stick with it.
[22:16] <Viking667> And I'm most certainly having gnome-shell issues.
[22:16] <|PuNKCaT|> :/
[22:16] <tgm4883> Viking667: so? How does that exclude you from reinstalling to a 64-bit system
[22:16] <|PuNKCaT|> I don't think my machine will boot from a usb
[22:17] <Viking667> It doesn't.
[22:17] <tgm4883> Viking667: unless you are going to a 64-bit system because you think that is the reason gnome shell isn't working....
[22:17] <Viking667> I was looking for an in-place upgrade, but it seems that you're saying it's more trouble than its worth.
[22:17] <Viking667> bah. I've got to go.
[22:17] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: do you have a 32 or 64bit system?
[22:17] <|PuNKCaT|> 32
[22:17] <|PuNKCaT|> it's a really old (like 5-6yrs) macghine
[22:18] <|PuNKCaT|> and the onboard sound has been an issue from day one
[22:19] <|PuNKCaT|> but when I got the machine it already had 12.4 installed, and this is an upgrade over a cloned copy of that, so i'm wondering if despite fixes being run etc, if it's just needing a clean slate
[22:19] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: you can run "wget http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/utopic-desktop-i386.iso" to d/l the ISO and "sudo apt-get install brasero" to install brasero, a cd burning application.
[22:19] <|PuNKCaT|> don't have any writable cds
[22:20] <|PuNKCaT|> and don't think the dvd drive even works
[22:20] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Then you need to get one.
[22:21] <|PuNKCaT|> that wget is the trusty tahr?
[22:21] <aaa801> *twitch*
[22:21] <aaa801> anyone know what this changed to /etc/bind/named.conf:14: unknown option 'allow-recursion'
[22:21] <|PuNKCaT|> because I could try d/ling it to a usb and then seeing if I can get someone else to burn it for me
[22:22] <buzuli> Which file does DASH source when run in non-login mode?
[22:22] <bekks> |PuNKCaT|: Sorry, it was the wrong ISO. USe this one: "wget http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/trusty/daily-live/20140702/trusty-desktop-i386.iso"
[22:23] <buzuli> I cannot get my Tomcat service to source the appropriate configuration
[22:25] <Betanas> Evening
[22:25] <Viking667> huh? It's morning here.
[22:25] <Viking667> ... of the next day.
[22:26] <Betanas> LOL well damn how's the future looking
[22:26] <|PuNKCaT|> thank you
[22:26] <Viking667> seems to be fine, though cold here.
[22:26] <Betanas> that sucks
[22:26] <Viking667> about 35 F or 2 C
[22:26] <|PuNKCaT|> you in nz too viking?
[22:27] <daftykins> you're all very welcome to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic but please keep it support only in here, as per topic!
[22:28] <Laibsch> There's an annoying thing since trusty.  Whereas in previous releases a click on the scroll-bar resulted in one page scroll up or down nowadays it jumps to the relative position where you click (clicking in the top 10% will bring you to the top 10% of the document).  How to go back to the old behaviour, please?
[22:28] <lucas--> Hello. after updating ubuntu and rebooting, my files in my encrypted folder are no longer there. Any idea where to find them?
[22:29] <Laibsch> lucas--: ecryptfs-mount-private
[22:30] <lucas--> Laibsch: i did that. the /tmp/ecryptfs.5K1S6l25 also does NOT have my data.
[22:30] <Laibsch> OK
[22:30] <Laibsch> what did you do to update?
[22:30] <Laibsch> are you sure the data is still there?  df
[22:30] <lucas--> I clicked on "OK" when the ubuntu update prompt asked me to update and reboot
[22:30] <lucas--> it's the automatic updates thing
[22:31] <lucas--> Laibsch: i have no idea. my desktop background is here, and the "template" home directories are here too. the ones i put there are not.
[22:31] <Laibsch> is this an encrypted home folder or another folder?
[22:31] <lucas--> Laibsch: also, my chrome history was deleted too
[22:31] <lucas--> Laibsch: my home, which was encrypted, yes
[22:31] <tonyt> is it possible to give xchat a black back ground with white text?
[22:32] <ki7mt> lucas--, dont forget to tell them about the partitions, and re-mountiung /home this time around.
[22:32] <kriskropd> windwo 30
[22:33] <lucas--> So my /home is mounted from sda1. that's it. my home is also encrypted. when i run sudo ecryptfs-recover-private, and i go into the tmp directory that gives me, I ALSO DON'T SEE my files.
[22:34] <Laibsch> lucas--: pastebin the output of "df -h"
[22:34] <ki7mt> lucas--, You should clarify that, you do not see the original files that was in /home, but you can no longer find the original /home nor the files
[22:35] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739131/
[22:35] <lucas--> ki7mt: what do you mean i can't find the /home? it's here. I just can't find the files i put in it.
[22:36] <Laibsch> lucas--: your home is only 1.2G
[22:36] <lucas--> Laibsch: it seems like /home/lucas/.Private has the same data as sda1, which suggests sda1 is actually mounted into /home just fine. and my files must be in .Private. however, i don't see them
[22:36] <Laibsch> is that to be expected?
[22:36] <ki7mt> Well I think it'as kind of rude to not tell the whole story when some of the best folks in this channel have tried to help you.
[22:36] <lucas--> Laibsch: yes, i think so. it's only those files
[22:37] <lucas--> ki7mt: i think this was the whole story. i wanna keep it concise so it's easier to read and understand.
[22:37] <bjrohan> Where do I put a startup script for a local user?
[22:39] <ki7mt> lucas--, not from where Im sitting, been here all afternoon reading the same thing.
[22:39] <lucas--> ki7mt: what am i missing in the story then? i might not realize
[22:40] <jay__> how do i try out a new desktop environment properly?
[22:40] <daftykins> install it
[22:40] <jay__> ok. after installing it, how do you get to it?
[22:40] <ki7mt> lucas--, You shoudl went through this with squid22 and Loshi .. do you not remember that or maybe you dont remember the same series of quesiton with iknonia
[22:40] <wheatthin> jay__, through the login menu
[22:40] <ki7mt> .. should remember .. you went . .. ..
[22:41] <wheatthin> select the lil gear like thingy in the lightdm and select the desktop environment
[22:41] <lucas--> ki7mt: yes i did. but now i realized it's about permissions, not about mount points, right?
[22:42] <Laibsch> lucas--: pastebin the output of "mount"
[22:42] <ki7mt> lucas--, permissions, mount points, remounted mount points, forgotten passphrases,
[22:43] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739153/
[22:44] <lucas--> ki7mt: there are no forgotten passphrases. i was confused. and i did say that i mounted /home in sda1. should i also say that I did it AFTER installing ubuntu? (thus i had to remount)
[22:45] <ki7mt> lucas--, Im dont with this one.
[22:45] <ki7mt> whhops, done with.
[22:45] <jay__> wheatthin,  i tried that once, and it told me it couldn't find the desktop environment
[22:45] <jay__> it was name cairo i believe
[22:45] <lucas--> ki7mt: sure. good luck. thanks (:
[22:46] <k1l_> jay__: there is no cairo desktop. do you mean the cairo dock?
[22:47] <lucas--> Laibsch: it seems to me that my files are in .Private, but after ecryptfs-recover-private, the tmp folder doesn't show them. it seems like the tmp folder given to me by ecryptfs-recover-private, also has the .Private dir inside of it, with my encrypted files yet again encrypted.
[22:47] <jay__> yes dock sorry
[22:47] <k1l_> well, start it
[22:48] <jay__> i thought it was a desktop environment
[22:48] <k1l_> nope
[22:48] <jay__> hmmm it was in the list from the log in screen though k1l_
[22:49] <wheatthin> was it the userlist you were seeing?
[22:49] <jay__> no. the userlist was me and a guest account
[22:49] <jay__> this was the gear looking icon
[22:49] <k1l_> are you sure it was cairo?
[22:49] <jay__> i'm on xubuntu. i don't know if that helps
[22:50] <jay__> yes i'm sure
[22:50] <wheatthin> jay__, can you login using the default session?
[22:50] <wheatthin> ok..
[22:50] <jay__> pretty sure at least lol could always be wrong of course
[22:51] <lucas--> ls says my home has 4.1 MB inside, but df -h says it has 1.2GB. where is my data???
[22:51] <jay__> i think i am the default? i set it to auto login during the install
[22:51] <wheatthin> then open the terminal and type   cairo-dock &
[22:51] <jay__> oh, i reinstalled Xubuntuwheatthin
[22:51] <jay__> it's not on here anymore
[22:51] <Laibsch> lucas--: "for dir in /home/lucas/home/lucas/.Private /tmp/ecryptfs.5K1S6l25 ;do echo $dir;ls -l $dir|head -n5;done" <- pastebin
[22:51] <k1l_> jay__: ok, so what is your actual issue?
[22:52] <jay__> while trying to uninstall it, i messed things up so bad my screen was black cause i did it through the package manager and i don't know what i'm doing
[22:52] <jay__> so that's why i asked the PROPER way to use a desktop environment so i don't do that again
[22:52] <jay__> issues is, how do i use a DE properly
[22:52] <lucas--> Laibsch: ls: cannot access /home/lucas/home/lucas/.Private: No such file or directory /tmp/ecryptfs.5K1S6l25
[22:52] <k1l_> cairo-dock (know known as glx dock) is not a desktop enviroment.
[22:52] <lucas--> Laibsch: did you mean /home/lucas/.Private ?
[22:53] <k1l_> *now
[22:53] <jay__> oh. do i can't use cario dock
[22:53] <jay__> so i can't use cario dock?
[22:53] <Laibsch> lucas--: "for dir in /home/lucas /home/lucas/.Private /tmp/ecryptfs.5K1S6l25 ;do echo $dir;ls -l $dir|head -n5;done" <- pastebin
[22:53] <k1l_> jay__: desktop enviroments are gnome, xfce, lxde, unity, kde,...
[22:53] <Laibsch> missing space
[22:53] <jay__> i thought there were tones of DE's?
[22:53] <jay__> i have tried all of those yet though
[22:54] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739202/
[22:54] <jay__> haven't* jesus i can't type
[22:54] <k1l_> jay__: cairo dock is  just a launcher. its a 3rd party launcher for gnome for example
[22:54] <lucas--> Laibsch: i had a directory called catkin_ws and others right in /home/lucas. now they're not there.
[22:54] <jay__> oh. so it probably didn't work cause i don't have gnome installed  huh?
[22:54] <larrypg> jay__, you might be thinking of themes such as how the desktop looks not a de
[22:55] <jay__> yes. i want to see the different fun ways you can display a desktop
[22:55] <Laibsch> lucas--: "for dir in /home/lucas /home/lucas/.Private/ /tmp/ecryptfs.5K1S6l25 ;do echo $dir;ls -l $dir|head -n5;done" <- pastebin
[22:56] <k1l_> !desktops | jay__
[22:56] <Laibsch> lucas--: missing / and please include the output for the dir in /tmp
[22:56] <jay__> ok k1l_  so what is it that i want? not a DE?
[22:56] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739208/
[22:56] <lucas--> Laibsch: what do u mean missing / ?
[22:57] <jay__> that dock thing was neat. what is that considered? how do i get more neat stuff to try like that
[22:57] <k1l_> jay__: i dont know what you want. you told you had cairo dock installed some time ago that broke a lot. and i dont know what you want now
[22:57] <lucas--> Laibsch: ls /tmp/ -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739212/
[22:57] <jay__> i want to try things like cario dock
[22:57] <jay__> but i don't know what they're called
[22:57] <larrypg> jay__, not postive but xfce-look.org has themes for xubuntu
[22:58] <k1l_> jay__: well, then go onto the internet and search for deksopt pics and find one you like and see what the are running there
[22:59] <jay__> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Conky+Blue+Rain?content=165874&PHPSESSID=02024256280df57a8d8028c623f42dca I like this!
[22:59] <jay__> what are these called? de's? dock's? themes?
[22:59] <lucas--> Laibsch: (there are two ecryptfs dirs in tmp because i decrypted twice)
[23:00] <k1l_> its xubuntu as de. but its includes conky for the other stuff
[23:00] <k1l_> !conky | jay__ read this
[23:00] <jay__> !conky
[23:00] <jay__> i don't see anything k1l_
[23:00] <k1l_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpConky
[23:01] <Laibsch> lucas--: have a look through "shopt -s dotglob;du -sx ~|sort -n;shopt -u dotglob" and see if you can pastebin that
[23:01] <jay__> k1l_, is conky a theme?
[23:01] <k1l_> no
[23:02] <jay__> what is it?
[23:02] <Laibsch> lucas--: do you know the name of a missing file?
[23:02] <larrypg> jay__, be aware that a full conky setup can be rather difficult and time consuming
[23:02] <k1l_> its a program to display stuff on your desktop
[23:02] <jay__> ok i like that idea
[23:02] <jay__> i want a program on my desktop to tell me stuff
[23:02] <k1l_> you see the weather and  the other infos in that screenshot? that is conky
[23:02] <k1l_> jay__: then go and get to know conky
[23:02] <jay__> what about the dock at the bottom k1l_
[23:02] <jay__> i want that thing too
[23:03] <jay__> i'll read the link you sent me after supper
[23:03] <k1l_> jay__: yes, they removed the old xubuntu dock in 14.04
[23:04] <k1l_> jay__: then see this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/8865/what-docks-are-available?rq=1
[23:04] <jay__> oh ok. thanks guys!
[23:04] <jay__> :)
[23:04] <larrypg> jay__, you can also add another panel (dock) to the bottom if you want to
[23:04] <lucas--> Laibsch: one missing directory is "catkin_ws" which was in /home/lucas/catkin_ws
[23:05] <lucas--> Laibsch: the .Private dir seems to be 1.2GB big. how come there are no big files when i decrypt that?
[23:05] <Laibsch> lucas--: I gave you the last command so that we can find that out
[23:05] <Laibsch> lucas--: "find ~ -name catkin\*"
[23:05] <lucas--> oh ok
[23:07] <lucas--> Laibsch: du: cannot read directory ‘/home/lucas/.cache/dconf’: Permission denied
[23:07] <RuNnNy> Where do I put config files that I want to affect all users on a machine?
[23:07] <RuNnNy> for vim, zsh, tmux etc...
[23:07] <lucas--> Laibsch: find returned nothing.
[23:07] <RuNnNy> Like somekind of global dotfiles
[23:08] <Laibsch> lucas--: what users owns ~/.cache/dconf ? and what are the permissions?
[23:09] <lucas--> Laibsch: drw------ root root
[23:10] <Laibsch> "sudo chown -R ~/.cache/dconf"
[23:10] <Laibsch> lucas--: log in and out and see if that gets you anywhere
[23:10] <Laibsch> should be interesting to see the output of the command I gave you
[23:10] <lucas--> Laibsch: chown: missing operand after ‘/home/lucas/.cache/dconf’
[23:10] <Laibsch> lucas--: have a look through "shopt -s dotglob;sudo du -sx ~|sort -n;shopt -u dotglob" and see if you can pastebin that
[23:11] <Laibsch> "sudo chown lucas -R ~/.cache/dconf"
[23:11] <Laibsch> or even
[23:11] <Laibsch> "sudo chown lucas.luas -R ~/.cache/dconf"
[23:11] <Laibsch> "sudo chown lucas.lucas -R ~/.cache/dconf"
[23:11] <lucas--> Laibsch: it just outputs: 158268	/home/lucas
[23:11] <Laibsch> oh, right
[23:11] <lucas--> Laibsch: that last one worked.
[23:11] <Laibsch> lucas--: have a look through "shopt -s dotglob;sudo du -sx ~/*|sort -n;shopt -u dotglob" and see if you can pastebin that
[23:12] <lucas--> shoudl i log out now?
[23:12] <Laibsch> that should be better ;-)
[23:12] <lucas--> ok
[23:12] <Laibsch> details
[23:13] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://pastebin.com/CQR1k3WG
[23:13] <Laibsch> lucas--: "sudo find ~ -user root"
[23:14] <lucas--> Laibsch: it seems like .Private has different size there than in df
[23:14] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739267/
[23:14] <mgodzilla> hello.  ubuntu 14.04 install on a dell precision 360 tower.  dual boot w/ win 7.  ubuntu install seemed to go okay.  when trying to reboot after install, client hangs.
[23:15] <lucas--> Laibsch: df keeps giving: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739268/
[23:15] <mgodzilla> when booting back into ubuntu, i get pass the login prompt, but the screen turns black.
[23:15] <mgodzilla> help?
[23:17] <bjrohan> can anyone help me get a n upstart script to be able to run screen before I run the script? I am having issues getting this to happen
[23:18] <Laibsch> lucas--: the unencrypted data amounts to a little over 100 MB.  From that it looks like you lost the data.
[23:18] <lucas--> Laibsch: but .Private seems to be 1.2GB...
[23:18] <Laibsch> let's have a look at that now
[23:19] <Laibsch> lucas--: have a look through "shopt -s dotglob;sudo du -sx ~/.Private/*|sort -n;shopt -u dotglob" and see if you can pastebin that
[23:20] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://pastebin.com/iX33g9Wi
[23:20] <Laibsch> that's also only about 100 MB
[23:21] <Laibsch> 150 maybe
[23:21] <lucas--> Laibsch: then why does df say otherwise?
[23:21] <Laibsch> no idea
[23:21] <Laibsch> you might recover the data with undelete
[23:22] <Laibsch> the 1.2G might also be the amount reserved for root
[23:22] <lucas--> Laibsch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7739297/
[23:22] <Laibsch> filesystem level
[23:22] <lucas--> Laibsch: /home/lucas/.Private            289G  1.2G
[23:23] <lucas--> Laibsch: the data seems to be there according to df -h
[23:23] <Laibsch> not necessarily
[23:24] <lucas--> Laibsch: would the 1.2G be garbage?
[23:26] <Laibsch> lucas--: just a wild guess, but read the manpage and look for the -m switch
[23:26] <Laibsch> that might explain it
[23:26] <lucas--> Laibsch: the switch for what command?
[23:26] <Laibsch> "Specify the percentage of the filesystem blocks reserved for the super-user."
[23:27] <Laibsch> man mke2fs
[23:27] <Laibsch> sounds low in your case, less than 1%
[23:27] <Laibsch> in any case, the data does not seem to be there
[23:27] <Laibsch> anymore
[23:28] <Laibsch> e2undel might be able to undelete it if it was deleted
[23:28] <lucas--> Laibsch: i'm using only 1% of the space i have, yes. it's a new system
[23:28] <Laibsch> but it might make things worse
[23:28] <lucas--> just a few days
[23:28] <Laibsch> it looks pretty bad
[23:28] <lucas--> what should I do? the data seems to be there... :/
[23:28] <Laibsch> once again: no
[23:28] <Laibsch> it's NOT there
[23:28] <lucas--> why are they saying it's there then?
[23:28] <Laibsch> from what I can see here
[23:28] <lucas--> it's like "deleted files" data?
[23:29] <Laibsch> I gave you two possible explanations above
[23:29] <Laibsch> or wild guesses
[23:29] <lucas--> so the update did rm ~ ?
[23:29] <Laibsch> no, you seem to have a number of issues with your system
[23:30] <Laibsch> including the permissions problems
[23:30] <Laibsch> remember that ki7mt reminded you about those?
[23:31] <Laibsch> There's an annoying thing since trusty.  Whereas in previous releases a click on the scroll-bar resulted in one page scroll up or down nowadays it jumps to the relative position where you click (clicking in the top 10% will bring you to the top 10% of the document).  How to go back to the old behaviour, please?
[23:32] <larrypg> lucas--, I know that 1000 people lived in my house because someone told me so...everything else says that only 10 people live there...I know that what everyone else is telling me is wong because the one said that it is true
[23:33] <lucas--> larrypg: the question is why would they lie?
[23:33] <lucas--> their lie is consistent with the data i had there.
[23:34] <lucas--> Laibsch: i didn't have any permissions issues. ki7mt didn't say that at all. it was something else
[23:34] <Laibsch> OK, you seem to have issues with reality
[23:35] <Laibsch> (07:42:27) ki7mt: lucas--, permissions, mount points, remounted mount points, forgotten passphrases,
[23:35] <Laibsch> for you to remember
[23:35] <lucas--> Laibsch: yes that's something else.
[23:35] <Laibsch> and you pastebin'd a couple of files with incorrect permissions
[23:35] <Laibsch> yes, of course
[23:35] <lucas--> Laibsch: maybe the update change the permissions. i have no idea.
[23:35] <Laibsch> and I need to do something else now, too
[23:35] <Laibsch> sorry
[23:35] <Laibsch> best of luck
[23:36] <lucas--> Laibsch: anyway, when running testdisk, i can find the files in the disk! they might be "deleted" files.
[23:36] <lumps> Does ubunt netboot require any kernel params beyond "boot=live ip=:::::: and fetch=http:///...../fs.squashfs"?
[23:36] <Laibsch> like I said, e2undel might recover your files
[23:36] <Laibsch> no idea
[23:36] <lumps> ever heard any talk about it in here?
[23:38] <lucas--> Laibsch: thanks :)
[23:38] <Laibsch> yw
[23:38] <Laibsch> if testdisk already displays your files then why not recover them?
[23:38]  * Laibsch hasn't used that program
[23:56] <jay__> hey guys. is it normal that my pc was frozen when i came back after about an hour? it was just sitting there with the web browser open. is this a regular thing in linux?
[23:56] <wrongplace> how do I kill an app via terminal? gui is unresponsive
[23:56] <jay__> i would assume not but you know. thought i'd ask
[23:56] <wrongplace> warzone<<
[23:57] <jay__> by frozen i mean i couldn't do a single thing. not even move the mouse. i had to hard reset it