[10:12] <dystopianray> fioss: do you know why the applications are failing? they can't do dns lookups or something?
[10:12] <fioss> the non-kde apps seems to work, like firefox, skype, sim, ping
[10:12] <fioss> i dont, I dont even get an timeout
[10:12] <dystopianray> fioss: what do they do?
[10:13] <fioss> just nothing, i.e. konqueror just shows this little rotating symbol
[10:13] <dystopianray> weird
[10:13] <fioss> probably I should reinstall kdebase etc...
[10:14] <fioss> happened with the upgrade to hoardy
[10:14] <Ta3v> Sorry I just caught the end of that, did you say KDE wasn't working?
[10:14] <Ta3v> with the upgrade?
[10:15] <fioss> Ta3v: yes i did
[10:15]  * Ta3v is half way through the install =(
[10:15] <fioss> Ta3v: well, network isnt working, and I had to delete .kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history
[10:15] <ov1d1u> In Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) my hard-disk was detected as hda
[10:16] <ov1d1u> now, in Kubuntu 8.04 it is detected as sda
[10:16] <fioss> its sda now, i guess?
[10:16] <ov1d1u> why?
[10:16] <ov1d1u> yes
[10:16] <fioss> ov1d1u: thats because of a change in the kernel interface
[10:16] <Ta3v> have you tried reinstalling kde?
[10:16] <fioss> Ta3v: thats my plan now
[10:16] <fioss> Ta3v: sucks, cause this is my work machine
[10:17] <fioss> trying the kio plugins and kdelibs first
[10:20] <fioss> looks like I have to do a complete reinstall...
[10:21] <fioss> 682MB of space will be freed :-(
[10:21] <morris> deluxe ;)
[10:24] <snikker> hi, i'm unable to upgrade from cdrom. i've found this in the log file http://pastebin.com/d621c7ffc i've used an alternate cd, and md5 are ok..
[10:33] <snikker> no ones
[10:33] <snikker> ?
[10:34] <Ta3v> hello
[10:34] <Ta3v> well the upgrade is about half way done
[10:34] <Ta3v> if only I could upgrade my car so easily
[10:34] <Ta3v> Adept has found that your tie rod ends need replaced. Yes/No?
[10:35] <Ta3v> lol
[10:40] <cap|work> hello. i yesterday tried to install hardy on my computer. i used the kubuntu alternate cd i386. i did the partitioning, network interface configuration, the basic files were copied, i was asked if i want to download language support, i answered yes, then some files were copied and at 6% of the section 'select and install software' i got a red error screen with the message that something went wrong. is this a known problem?
[10:41] <dystopianray> cap|work: what went wrong?
[10:41] <Ta3v> Ive never encountered that before
[10:43] <cap|work> no idea. the message just said "something in the block select and install software". the only options that i was suggested is retry this step or skip it.
[10:45] <reese> hi! if I compile a new version of amarok, it will overwrite the existing one or do I have to uninstall it?
[10:45] <cap|work> the installation was supposed to take place at a 60gb partition of a sata device, if this is the problem. the device was recognized as scsi
[10:46] <dystopianray> reese: why do you want to compile a new version?
[10:46] <reese> because a new one is out, that fixes some bugs
[10:46] <dystopianray> really?
[10:47] <dystopianray> reese: oh are you using gutsy?
[10:47] <jerzyk86> hi, when i try to install ubuntu 7.10 after i choose “run or install” ubuntu for a sec my display is turn off, i am waiting because cd-rom is stil copy files but display never is turn on. I have motherboard with integrated graphics but i have in pciexpress grf 8800gt. By integrated graphics its works - i nstall ubuntu on itegrated graph and after i plug my gf, but its still turn off my display when i try to run ubuntu. Any idea how to repai
[10:48] <dystopianray> jerzyk86: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:48] <reese> dystopianray: yes
[10:48] <dystopianray> reese: you can get amarok 1.3.8 from gutsy-backports
[10:48] <dystopianray> reese: it's generally a bad idea to compile your own apps and just overwrite what is already installed
[10:48] <snikker> i'm unable to upgrade from cdrom. i've found this in the log file http://pastebin.com/d621c7ffc i've used an alternate cd, and md5 are ok..
[10:48] <dystopianray> unless you know what you are doing and can fix breakage
[10:49] <jerzyk86> kubuntu
[10:49] <dystopianray> jerzyk86: try 8.04
[10:49] <reese> dystopianray: i have the source code of the 1.4.9 version. i have to compile it because i don't have a machine with internet connection on it
[10:50] <dystopianray> reese: are you affected by bugs that are fixed in <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[10:50] <dystopianray> reese: unless the fixed bugs are actually affecting you and absolutely must have the new version then i wouldn't recommend trying to compile it yourself
[10:51] <fioss> ok seems to work now
[10:51] <fioss> a full reinstall did the trick
[10:52] <fioss> and I had to change the resolv.conf by hand, odd
[10:52] <reese> dystopianray: the cover fetching is fixed in <IP_ADDRESS>. ok, thanks for the advice. for curiosity, what would be the possible problems, if I try to compile it?
[10:52] <dystopianray> reese: you'll be bypassing the package manager
[10:52] <dystopianray> reese: which may cause all sorts of weird issues, i'm not exactly sure
[10:53] <dystopianray> reese: you'd be better of trying to find a deb for that version
[10:53] <reese> dystopianray: unfortunately, I didn't find it.. thanks
[10:57] <spiroo> Where do I find partitionmagic?
[10:57] <spiroo> for KDE4
[10:57] <fioss> spiroo: Its a commercial program for windows
[10:57] <fioss> spiroo: Try qparted
[10:58] <snikker> qtparted
[10:58] <fioss> snikker: thanks, qtparted is right
[10:58] <SadDreamer> Finnaly connected here :)
[10:58] <snikker> fioss: np
[10:59] <snikker> someone have upgrade to 8.04?
[10:59] <SadDreamer> me
[10:59] <SadDreamer> :)
[10:59] <fioss> I did
[10:59] <SadDreamer> But i just installed it as new
[10:59] <SadDreamer> If you are askeing about it
[11:00] <fioss> snikker: But not w/o trouble
[11:00] <spiroo> fioss: Oh right, forgot it was called qparted these days
[11:00] <spiroo> qtparted*
[11:00] <fioss> snikker: Had to fully reinstall kde, remove the konq_history and fix the resolv.conf manually
[11:00] <spiroo> damn, school computer went damn fast after isntalling 8.04 :D
[11:00] <fioss> snikker: Oh, and the nvidia driver didnt work, neither
[11:00] <chaotician> I upgraded with
[11:00] <SadDreamer> Hmm
[11:00] <chaotician> out a hitch
[11:01] <snikker> i'm unable to upgrade with alternate cd...
[11:01] <chaotician> all fine here
[11:01] <fioss> thought the last one was maybe my own fault
[11:01]  * SadDreamer Installed as new, and everything was workinng good, only that problem with BOOT lines
[11:01] <PY> Hey guys, you may remember me from yesterday
[11:01] <chaotician> I used the updater and the web
[11:01] <PY> Anyway, booted up and installed, but... it still isn't accepting my wireless card's drivers
[11:02] <PY> So, anywhere I can get a driver for a broadcom device that'd work?
[11:02] <fioss> IF(INIT.EQ.0) THEN
[11:02] <fioss> sry, wrong window
[11:02] <PY> Haha
[11:02] <HiGenix> o/ everyone. Moving from Kubuntu to Gentoo and was wondering, is it better to use ReisersFS or ext3 for my home partition?
[11:03] <chaotician> PY: try k-menu>system>hardware drivers manager
[11:03] <PY> Done that
[11:03] <chaotician> ahh
[11:03] <PY> Says it's propriety and it won't start it
[11:03] <jussio1> HiGenix: I would suggest ext3, but its really up to you
[11:03] <PY> Which is a bitch, becuase without it I can't really set up the OS
[11:04] <immesys> Hi, I'm having grief with the kubuntu-kde4-desktop installer. Ubiquity doesn't go past asking me what my keyboard layout is. The disk self-check passes.
[11:04] <chaotician> PY: can you use NDISwrapper
[11:04] <chaotician> ?
[11:04] <snikker> do you know if are a switch command (for cdromupgrade) for don't use the language-support?
[11:04] <PY> I don't know
[11:04] <PY> What, pray, is an ndiswrapper?
[11:04] <HiGenix> jussio1: What're the pros of using ext3 in regards to ReisersFS? A friend suggested I use Reisers as Gentoo uses Portage, and Resiers deals with small files better (apparently!)
[11:04] <PY> And how do I use one?
[11:04] <fioss> HiGenix: second that, ReiserFS has its strength, but not on a desktop system (w/o an UPS...)
[11:04] <chaotician> PY: it's a wrapper to allow you to use windows drivers under linux
[11:05] <PY> Neat
[11:05] <PY> How do I use it, then?
[11:05] <jussio1> !ndiswrapper
[11:05] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:05] <fioss> HiGenix: Why dont you ask the gentoo guys?
[11:05] <PY> Thanks
[11:05] <chaotician> PY: I haven't used it myself but I will send you a link to a tutorial
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> is hardy officially released yet?
[11:05] <PY> Ah, much thanks
[11:05] <chaotician> PY: 1sec
[11:05] <fioss> ActionParsnip: yes
[11:05] <fioss> !hardy
[11:05] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the codename for the current release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) You can get it now from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu but please use !torrents
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> sweeet
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> cheers
[11:05] <PY> Awesome bot
[11:06] <HiGenix> !ext3
[11:06] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[11:06] <PY> I'd have used a torrent, the link isn't very obvious
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> PY: he knows much
[11:06] <SadDreamer> hmm
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> !coffee | PY
[11:06] <ubotu> PY: coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[11:06] <PY> He does indeed
[11:06] <PY> Hahaha, neat
[11:06] <dystopianray> HiGenix: reiserfs does perform better with small files and it may be beneficial to put portage on a reiserfs partition
[11:06] <PY> I'd have to add milk and suger, too bitter otherwise <_<
[11:07] <SadDreamer> hmm
[11:07] <HiGenix> Mmm, ok, thanks for the thoughts.
[11:07] <SadDreamer> :)
[11:08] <chaotician> PY: this aimed at my laptop but I'm sure you could use your drivers for your card instead http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html
[11:08] <PY> Ah, thanks
[11:09] <PY> My machine is a dell insparon something or other, anyway
[11:09] <immesys> I cannot get kubuntu-kde4-desktop installer to go past the keyboard-layout. Any ideas on what to do to find out why?
[11:09] <chaotician> PY: that site is awsome
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> my main system is from www.efficientpc.co.uk
[11:09] <PY> *bookmarks*
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> :)
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> they sell preinstalled systems with ubuntu
[11:10] <PY> immesys: have you tried wubi? I couldn't get mine to work with any regularity with the liveCD, even
[11:10] <immesys> Py: I don't have windows installed, isn't wubi for under windows?
[11:10] <PY> Oh, I see
[11:10] <PY> Yeah
[11:10] <immesys> py: I ran out of blank cd's otherwise I'd try the alternate iso
[11:10] <PY> Ah, bummer
[11:11] <immesys> yeah
[11:11] <PY> I use a rewritable DVD, I've been trying a lot of linux distros, but KDE4...
[11:11] <PY> Mmm
[11:11] <PY> It makes Vista's... everything seem slow and dated...
[11:12] <immesys> is the kubuntu-kde4 also a LTS or is it a "this is cool but shady and we warned you"
[11:12] <dystopianray> immesys: kubuntu is not an LTS at all
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> i think aero looks cheap
[11:12] <immesys> So no ideas on how to get ubiquity to work?
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> lts?
[11:12] <SlimeyPete> Long Term Support
[11:12] <immesys> !lts
[11:12] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[11:12] <Eruaran> Is Konversation included in the Kubuntu 8.04 release ? Its not in the KDE4 version !
[11:13] <dystopianray> Eruaran: it is in the kde3 version
[11:13] <PY> ActionParsnip: I like the aero style, it's far better than previous versions of windows, and (IMO) nicer than KDE3.whatever
[11:13] <Eruaran> dystopianray: phew
[11:13] <PY> Step 2: Get Needed Packages
[11:13] <PY> To install ndiswrapper
[11:13] <PY> In a terminal type:
[11:13] <PY> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ndiswrapper-common
[11:13] <PY> Get the Windows driver for your Dell 1501
[11:13] <PY> In a terminal type:
[11:13] <PY> wget http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R140747.EXE
[11:13] <PY> How in the hell is that supposed to work
[11:13] <Eruaran> Thats a relief
[11:14] <Eruaran> I thought they were going stupid like the gnome crowd
[11:14] <PY> I can't connect to the net, how precisely do I access it?!
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> py, wired
[11:14] <PY> Ah, yeah, that's not really an option
[11:15] <PY> Can I download them in windows, put them on my USB stick?
[11:15] <chaotician> yes
[11:15] <PY> Awesome
[11:15] <immesys> py: problem is installing the .deb's as they will have dependancies
[11:16] <PY> Bah
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> PY, get it set up on the wired, then unclip it when its ok
[11:16] <PY> Cant get my PC near the router
[11:17] <immesys> py: there is another way if you have another ubuntu pc connected.
[11:17] <PY> I don't, though
[11:17] <immesys> py: ah.
[11:17] <PY> Yeah, I may as well give up...
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> PY, why not?
[11:17] <PY> Why don't I have another ubuntu machine, or why can't I get near the router?
[11:18] <immesys> py: is it the neighbours router?
[11:18] <immesys> py: lol
[11:18] <PY> Can't get near the router becuase it's hidden away, no plugs near it
[11:18] <PY> <_<
[11:18] <chaotician> it's a laptop
[11:18] <PY> My router, all mine!
[11:18] <PY> Who's a laptop?
[11:18] <ligemeget> Which KDE4-distro is best supported - Kubuntu-KDE4 or OpenSUSE?
[11:18] <fioss> PY: you can try to download the deb package on an usb stick, and when it complains about dependenices, just download this package, too.  I've tried that before and it spirals out of control sometimes
[11:19] <SlimeyPete> ligemeget: opensuse I imagine
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> PY, then get it accessible and you are ok
[11:19] <PY> It needs to be addressed, this driver stuff, I really should be able to do it from windows
[11:20] <PY> accessible?
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> py, or find a KUbuntu friendly usb wireless, set it up then use the inbuilt
[11:20] <ligemeget> dystopianray, SlimeyPete , ok.. Do you know of anyplace that lists differences between them..?
[11:20] <ligemeget> (I'm used to Ubuntu)
[11:20] <PY> ActionParsnip: Kubuntu friendly USB wireless? What is that
[11:21] <immesys> py: I can make a list of .deb's for you (dependancies included) and you can dload them on windows, put on stick if you want
[11:21] <Eruaran> ligemeget: I just had a play with Kubuntu-KDE4... I might install it tonight or tomorrow
[11:21] <dystopianray> ligemeget: i'm not sure if there is any such place, i'd suggest actually trying out opensuse
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> PY, check the HCL for ubuntu
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> !hcl
[11:21] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[11:21] <PY> immesys: Oh, yeah, that'd help, thanks
[11:21] <immesys> py: okay, don't go anywhere
[11:21] <PY> k, thanks
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> PY, Id get your router physically accessible for a lil bit so you can setup your system though
[11:22] <PY> Hmm, I'm upstarirs, it's downstairs, problem isn't getting to it, it's actually plugging my PC in
[11:23] <Eruaran> Kubuntu-KDE4 is a bit slim on apps though... prettty much all non-KDE4 apps are avoided except maybe OpenOffice and Kontact
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> PY, get a loooon cat5 patch cable
[11:23] <chaotician> PY: really long piece of CAT5?
[11:23] <PY> err
[11:23] <chaotician> lol
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> snap, chaotician
[11:23] <Fyl0n> I try to install XMMS on 8.04 (KDE3)
[11:23] <Fyl0n> no package found..?
[11:23] <Fyl0n> anybody?
[11:23] <PY> I don't know what that is, and certainly don't own one. I know someone with a dog, wioll that do?
[11:23] <dystopianray> Fyl0n: apparently hardy no longer has xmms
[11:23] <Eruaran> Fyl0n: It already has Amarok
[11:23] <chaotician> it's amazing how many problems can be solved if only you have enough CAT%
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4751129
[11:23] <Fyl0n> Amarok is sooo bloated..
[11:24] <dystopianray> PY: cat5 = ethernet cable
[11:24] <Eruaran> :/
[11:24] <PY> hehe
[11:24] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: thanx for link
[11:24] <Eruaran> Amarok is great
[11:24] <PY> It'd have to be pretty long, though...
[11:24] <dystopianray> i love amarok
[11:24] <Eruaran> me too
[11:25] <Eruaran> Im waiting for the new KDE4 version
[11:25] <Eruaran> Kubuntu-KDE4 comes with Juk at the moment
[11:25] <Fyl0n> There is no other player that can handle the amount of music as quickly and easily as xmms
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> i'm on kde3 until everything shimmys over to kde4
[11:25] <immesys> py: it appears that the dependancies are not bad at all
[11:25] <immesys> 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-common_1.43-1ubuntu2_all.deb' ndiswrapper-common_1.43-1ubuntu2_all.deb 19168 SHA256:540e3130438d2a54d983f323f42d967c35b5bdfd5a70d9d431afe1d4cada86f3
[11:25] <immesys> 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.43-1ubuntu2_i386.deb' ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.43-1ubuntu2_i386.deb 33496 SHA256:f071b890221bfa168075acc50006f0f8c7deb68e464fe1f33caddb6905576592
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: amarok works for me
[11:25] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip: understandable
[11:25] <PY> 2? Naet
[11:25] <fioss> Fyl0n: depends on your collection and listening behaviour
[11:26] <immesys> py: thats what my system tells me.. yup
[11:26] <PY> :D
[11:26] <Fyl0n> fioss: true :)
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Eruaran: plus im not bothered for eye candy in the slightest. all these people using compiz makes me chuckle
[11:26] <immesys> py: just download those and run "dpkg -i *package name*"
[11:26] <PY> Ah, ok
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: do you not like amarok?
[11:26] <PY> How do I get ndiswrapper, it doesn't have a link, just the sudo apt-get
[11:27] <immesys> py: there should be a link on that page... hang on
[11:27] <immesys> py: that should be a direct link to each file
[11:27] <PY> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ndiswrapper-common' is all I can find
[11:28] <immesys> py: those two links I posted...
[11:28] <dystopianray> PY: intall those two debs
[11:28] <dystopianray> install
[11:28] <PY> ok
[11:28] <PY> What about this ssb thing?
[11:28] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip: I already downloaded kubuntu-kde4... its not bad but I'll also download the kde3 version cause I tried out ubuntu 8.04 but I just can't make myself like gnome and gnome apps...  I really dont understand the popularity of ubuntu (I love kubuntu though)
[11:28] <dystopianray> PY: what ssb thing?
[11:28] <PY> Step 1
[11:29] <immesys> py: I gotta go.. good luck though
[11:29] <dystopianray> PY: what are you reading?
[11:29] <PY> bye imme
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> ive just always used kde and liked it. it works for me :)
[11:29] <PY> dystopianray: http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndiswrapper-in-hardy-heron.html
[11:29] <Eruaran> ActionParsnip: works for me too :)
[11:31] <dystopianray> PY: oh that's just a kernel module
[11:31] <PY> Yeah, but the guy says it helps it work
[11:31] <dystopianray> PY: helps what work?
[11:32] <PY> NDISwrapper
[11:32] <dystopianray> PY: just ignore it
[11:32] <PY> mmmmmmmkay...
[11:32] <dystopianray> PY: those instructions are pretty screwed up, i'll help you with ndiswrapper
[11:32] <PY> Ah, ok :D
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> i hate broadcom
[11:33] <dystopianray> PY: did you install those two debs?
[11:33] <PY> Still in windows
[11:33] <PY> I have the .debs, what do I do with them?
[11:33] <nonewmsgs> how to mount a dd image?  i tried normal mount way and it said it wasn't a block device
[11:33] <dystopianray> PY: install them
[11:33] <PY> *cough*
[11:33] <PY> How, doubleclick, in the console?
[11:34] <dystopianray> PY: yeah just double click
[11:34] <PY> Good good
[11:34] <Eruaran> ooh you know what I noticed and really liked in kubuntu-kde4
[11:34] <Eruaran> the oxygen mouse theme
[11:34] <PY> Yes
[11:34] <PY> Oxygen is a yummy theme
[11:34] <Eruaran> rather swish
[11:34] <dystopianray> PY: have you followed any of the other instructions in that guide? becuase if so we might have to repair some damage
[11:35] <PY> Still in windows, haven't touch kubuntu yet
[11:35] <dystopianray> excellent
[11:35] <PY> One problem though, the moment I go into kubuntu, I'll have no internet, so I need fairly detailed instructions
[11:35] <dystopianray> PY: oh you're dual booting?
[11:36] <PY> Yeah
[11:36] <dystopianray> ok well first we can do a bit in windows
[11:36] <dystopianray> PY: did you download that .exe file?
[11:36] <PY> Yep, all 50MB of it
[11:37] <dystopianray> PY: change the extension to .zip, then extract it somewhere
[11:37] <PY> ok
[11:37] <PY> Wait, the deb, or the exe?
[11:37] <Eruaran> Fyl0n: what about beep ?
[11:37] <dystopianray> PY: the exe
[11:38] <PY> right
[11:38] <dystopianray> PY: don't do anything with the debs yet
[11:38] <PY> They're sitting happily on my USB
[11:38] <PY> Right, exe open in winrar
[11:39] <dystopianray> PY: ok, apparently there is a directory called 'DRIVER' ? if so go into it
[11:39] <PY> Done
[11:40] <dystopianray> PY: there is a file called bcmwl5.inf and also another one with a similar name with a .sys extension, you need to extract both of those files
[11:41] <PY> Done
[11:41] <dystopianray> PY: ok, now you should have 4 files, the two debs and the .inf and the .sys files, you'll need these in ubuntu
[11:41] <PY> Right
[11:41] <PY> They're sitting on my USB stick now, so, good
[11:41] <dystopianray> PY: i'll pastebin a series of steps that should hopefully get your wifi working
[11:42] <PY> Neat
[11:42] <PY> I'll dump 'em in a .txt, I can read them, right?
[11:42] <dystopianray> PY: yep
[11:42] <PY> Neat
[11:42] <PY> Oh, and talking of neat, is there any way to get winroll like functionality in kubuntu?
[11:43] <Lynoure> What's winroll?
[11:43] <PY> I'd miss the simplicity to clicking in the buttons, else
[11:43] <PY> Lets you put the window into Kubuntu's 'shade' mode by rightlciking on the window title
[11:43] <PY> Other stuff like always on top, and minimise to tray, too
[11:43] <Lynoure> PY: yes, I have it on double-click, myself
[11:43] <dystopianray> !pastebin > dystopianray
[11:43] <PY> Ah, that's do
[11:44] <PY> dystopianray: Hmm?
[11:44] <Lynoure> PY: System settings -> Window behavior -> Titlebar actions
[11:44] <dystopianray> PY: just a moment
[11:44] <PY> Thanks, Lynoure
[11:45] <dystopianray> PY: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64349/
[11:45] <PY> I just paste that into a console?
[11:45] <dystopianray> PY: that should do it, you should have wifi after that, come back in here again and there are a few more steps taht are slightly more complicated
[11:45] <dystopianray> PY: one at a time
[11:46] <dystopianray> PY: and without the line numbers
[11:46] <PY> But wifi should be working fine, after that?
[11:46] <dystopianray> PY: make sure the terminal is open in the same directory as the other files
[11:46] <dystopianray> PY: oh wait hold on it's missing two steps
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: don'y you have to modprobe after installing the driver
[11:46] <PY> Hah
[11:46] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: it does
[11:46] <PY> How do I open a terminal in the same directory?
[11:47] <dystopianray> PY: ok, copy all the files to your desktop
[11:47] <PY> Ah, right
[11:47] <dystopianray> PY: when you're in ubuntu
[11:47] <PY> Yeah
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64351/
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: copy the four files to your desktop, open a terminal
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: then run those commands one by one
[11:49] <PY> Right
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: you could make is a shell script :)
[11:49] <dystopianray> PY: then come back here after your wifi is working
[11:49] <PY> Gotcha
[11:49] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: yeah I guess
[11:49] <PY> Err, does KDE4 have an IRC client, or should I get one now?
[11:50] <Mali1> how can i switch from firefox 3 to 2 ?
[11:50] <dystopianray> Mali1: install firefox-2
[11:50] <dystopianray> PY: I don't know...
[11:50] <PY> I see...
[11:50] <PY> Well, in case I do need one, what good ones are there out there?
[11:50] <Mali1> dystopianray: and uninstall firefox 3? sudo apt-get remove firefox ?
[11:50] <Mali1> i use hardy
[11:51] <dystopianray> Mali1: firefox-3.0
[11:51] <PY> Oh, I could never switch back from FF3B5, it's great
[11:52] <dystopianray> i like the full page zoom of ff3
[11:52]  * ActionParsnip never installs beta software
[11:52] <PY> dystopianray: Right, so, hopefully brb
[11:52] <dystopianray> i hope he has an irc client
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> well if he doesnt he can install one if his wifi works, surely
[11:55] <immesys> Hey, I cannot get ubiquity to go further than asking for my keyboard layout using the kubuntu-kde4-desktop iso
[11:55] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: no Amarok is way too bloated and heavy
[11:55] <Fyl0n> Eruaran: dunno beep.. and I will try that one :)
[11:55] <Fyl0n> Now trying out Audacious and it seems just as good.
[11:55] <Fyl0n> It even controls the PCM in volume control just like XMMS could, whatever that's worth.
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: you could install mplayer and do it from command line :)
[11:57] <immesys> Does anyone have any tips to coerce ubiquity into working?
[11:57] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: hahaha I allready did! :)
[11:57] <Fyl0n> for time being :)
[11:58] <Mali1> !de
[11:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: how about mpg123
[12:00] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: seems oke to try it out :)
[12:00] <Fyl0n> but I want a player for cli and X
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: i use amarok due to the band/album management
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: then install gmplayer :)
[12:04] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: omg.. how many do you know dude... hehe
[12:04] <enoj> What is the proper way of using proprietary ATI drivers? The "Hardware Drivers Manager" the ATI accelerated graphics driver is "Enabled" (I enabled it), but it's status is "Not in use"
[12:04] <Fyl0n> this is gonna be a day work to find out hehe
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: a few :)
[12:05] <Fyl0n> lol
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> !ati | enoj
[12:05] <ubotu> enoj: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:05] <Tecumseh> hi there, I just installed Hardy with KDE 3.5.9 and I have a little problem. There is no sound anymore. With Feisty and Gutsy I didn't have this problem
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: gmaplayer is a gui for mplayer
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> kaffiene is nice too
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: on linux real player but its a bit bulky
[12:06] <Fyl0n> hmm choices choices :)
[12:06] <Fyl0n> kaffeine is great! esp for video :)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> linux to me is choice, not forced to use one player and one office suite and one browser
[12:09] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes! that's why I switched over to tux since warty wathog
[12:09] <Fyl0n> But I always used xmms.. thats why I now need to find a alternative
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> i was always a mandriva kid but Kubuntu seems to do the job
[12:09] <Fyl0n> :)
[12:09] <Fyl0n> I love Kubuntu
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: hmm, maybe we can find it
[12:09] <Fyl0n> :)
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n:  you on hardy?
[12:10] <Fyl0n> compiling source of xmms should work with 8.04
[12:10] <Fyl0n> not yet
[12:10] <Fyl0n> 7.10 now.. but I've upgraded my laptop and since then xmms won't work anymore
[12:10] <ubuntu> Hi all
[12:10] <Fyl0n> got 4 computers here with 7.10 and 8.04
[12:10] <stealite> Hi
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xmms/
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Theus
[12:11] <ubotu> Theus: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:11] <vistakiller> Fylon try audacious
[12:11] <vistakiller> is much better
[12:11] <stealite> How can I install the nvidia driver for my 7600gt on ubuntu 8.04
[12:11] <stealite> ?
[12:11] <vistakiller> you cant with the hardware manager?
[12:11] <Fyl0n> vistakiller: I am at the moment :)
[12:11] <stealite> Yes vistakiller
[12:11] <vistakiller> try envyng
[12:12] <stealite> I can't by the hardware manager
[12:12] <vistakiller> you can find it from synaptic
[12:12] <vistakiller> i have the same problem with my 8800gts
[12:12] <vistakiller> and i try envyng programme
[12:12] <stealite> which paquet please ?
[12:12] <matt_> will the amarok in the 8.04 BY DEFAULT work with ipod classics? meaning, does it include the latest libgpod?
[12:12] <vistakiller> i think the qtk
[12:12] <dystopianray> matt_: which version do you need?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: looks like a compile job dude
[12:13] <dystopianray> matt_: it has libgpod 0.6.0
[12:13] <Tecumseh> anybody else having trouble getting sound to work in hardy?
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> matt_: id imagine not, personally
[12:14] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes it does.. :) I don't mind compiling though.. :)
[12:14] <matt_> dystopianray: ActionParsnip i believe .0.6.0 is the one i need...i'll try my ipod tonight...because setting up .0.6.0 manually with amarok was a pain on 7.10
[12:14] <Fyl0n> gonna comile after Audacious
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> matt_: i cant see them bundling it in as not everyone has an ipod (i certainly don't) but the optional download should be available
[12:14] <matt_> dystopianray: oh, and the reason it wouldn't boot for me yesterday, (k)ubuntu was i needed to hit f6 before booting the cd and typing acpi=off
[12:15] <matt_> but, gott go
[12:15] <PY> Gah, couldn't even get kubuntu to boot up, for some reason
[12:15] <dystopianray> PY: did it work?
[12:15] <PY> Nope
[12:15] <dystopianray> haha
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> genius
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> :)
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> PY, what messages did you get?
[12:16] <PY> Half of the time it crashed and rebooted, other half it went into a 'busybox'
[12:16] <PY> It got to something about USB stuff, and crashed
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> PY, set your bios to failsafe defaults
[12:16] <PY> Do whatnow?
[12:16] <Theus> €
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> py, go into your bios or setup (usually del key, f2 key do this. press it before the post beep)
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> then select load default settings or failsafe
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> it varys wildly from bios to bios
[12:17] <PY> Ah, I see
[12:17] <PY> I think I know what it is, yeah
[12:17] <matt_> dystopianray: yeah, it worked..
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> and id personally love it to be standardised
[12:18] <PY> Yeah, that'd make life easier
[12:18] <PY> Remember before USB, eh?
[12:18] <guaqua> where does kubuntu's kde save user specific menu items?
[12:18] <PY> Anyway, reeeebooottt again
[12:18] <guaqua> i.e. i once deleted one of the menus and can't get it back
[12:18] <matt_> PY: try this, boot to the cd, before the "try kubuntu" option, hit f6 for more options, and type acpi=off
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: ~"/.kde i'd imagine
[12:18] <guaqua> that isn't it
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> ~/.kde
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> bah
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> just a guess
[12:19] <guaqua> i just did rm -rf .kde
[12:19] <guaqua> when i switched to hardy
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> wow, extreme
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> ive never ran rm -rf
[12:19] <guaqua> though i have my own backupkde.sh to back some of the files up
[12:19] <matt_> ActionParsnip: it pisses me of that people tell people to do that
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=180595
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> matt_:  me too
[12:20] <spanther> matt_, huh? do what?
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> matt_: specially with sudo infront of it
[12:20] <matt_> ActionParsnip: yep
[12:20] <matt_> spanther: the rm -rf crap
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> spanther: run rm -rf
[12:20] <spanther> why ö.ö
[12:21] <spanther> where's the problem with that?
[12:21] <dystopianray> spanther: they're referring to people that suggest deleting / using it
[12:21] <guaqua> ActionParsnip: thanks for that
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: np duder
[12:21] <matt_> spanther: it deletes everything, essentially..
[12:21] <spanther> thats how it should be :)
[12:22] <dystopianray> matt_: it only deletes the directory specified, not 'everything'
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> not if you then realised you made a mistake
[12:22] <spanther> i use it too sure why not? if i need to delete a folder with all included then its nice
[12:22] <spanther> then dont make mistakes :P
[12:22] <spanther> look what you type
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> spanther: true but i find it a bit excessive
[12:22] <matt_> dystopianray: so it only deletes ./
[12:22] <dystopianray> matt_: no
[12:23] <dystopianray> matt_: it deletes the folder you tell it to
[12:23] <dystopianray> matt_: rm -rf junk
[12:23] <matt_> dystopianray: OH, GOTCHA
[12:23] <dystopianray> matt_: deletes the folder named 'junk'
[12:23] <spanther> ActionParsnip, it just does its work...
[12:23] <guaqua> flawless! thanks ActionParsnip
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> guaqua: sweet, np dude
[12:24] <spanther> hey now thats stupid i've the kubuntu torrent still in my torrent file after got it but now i can read seeding but nobody is downloading :(
[12:25] <spanther> i wanna help seeding
[12:25] <mickael_> Hello
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> is it possible to create a binary, create a sym link to it, delete the binary, then create a symlink to the symlink named the same name as the original binary?
[12:26] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: try it
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> im at work on winslows
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> :(
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> and it just popped into my head
[12:26] <spanther> ActionParsnip, this would make you a never ending runaround xD
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> exactly but will it work if you kick it off?
[12:27] <dystopianray> ActionParsnip: it's possible
[12:27] <spanther> i think so yes but it wouldnt make any sense :P
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> true but i was wondering what it would do with cpu/ram/hdd
[12:28] <spanther> for real it would just eat up all of your CPU since it would follow and follow and follow the link without end at full speed :)
[12:28] <PY> No luck
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[12:29] <dystopianray> PY: is there an error message?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> yes > /dev/null does that nicely too :)
[12:29] <PY> When I boot it in recovery mode, it gets to the bit about USB support, then stops (Doesn;t cras, curser still blinks), but otherwise it goes into a 'busybox'
[12:30] <Perso> hi, good afternoon
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> hi Perso
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Perso
[12:30] <ubotu> Perso: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:31] <Perso> wow now with the old-well-known kubuntu everything is fine...
[12:31] <Perso> :S
[12:31] <ken_fallon> Hi All
[12:31] <Perso> yesterday tryed kde4 remix and almost get mad
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> Perso: sweet
[12:31] <spanther> what do you mean Perso ? :)
[12:31] <Perso> :S
[12:32] <PY> So, no hope for me?
[12:32] <spanther> *doesnt like all this play stuff inside of KDE4 and this ugly black task bar* :P
[12:32] <dystopianray> spanther: play stuff?
[12:32] <spanther> dystopianray, yeah like these gadgets or whatever they are named xD
[12:32] <Perso> I like indeed the way it looks like
[12:33] <PY> Oh, I like them, I think it's neat
[12:33] <Perso> but look is not the thing i look for Iḿ afraid
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> spanther: i like a simple gui too, eyecandy isnt my thing
[12:33] <spanther> i like the slim old design :)
[12:33] <spanther> here too action ^^
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> spanther: i had beryl for a week and got sick of it
[12:34] <PY> Nobody got any idea what's wrong? It booted fine last time
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> PY: tyr apci=off dma=off
[12:35] <PY> buh?
[12:35] <spanther> yeah all these effects are a nice playaround but have no productive sense :) they just slow you down because you'r looking at them xD
[12:35] <PY> Where does that go, then?
[12:35] <Perso> could any body tell me the swedish repo's list please?
[12:35] <spanther> PY he means try :)
[12:35] <Perso> I mean the address
[12:35] <PY> <___<;
[12:35] <PY> Anyway, it won't boot, where do I put it?
[12:35] <Fyl0n> Audacious won't work correctly.. m3u playlists won't work at all
[12:35] <Perso> se.(something)..
[12:36] <spanther> PY behind the kernel as boot parameters
[12:36] <PY> I do that how/where?
[12:36] <spanther> acpi=off and dma=off helped me too once hehe
[12:36] <PY> a) Where do they go? and b)What do they do?
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> py, googling now (unless someone can help out)
[12:37] <dystopianray> PY: is it a laptop or a desktop?
[12:37] <PY> desktop
[12:37] <kaminix> Is there any alternative to the torrent site? It's taking forever to load.
[12:37] <spanther> they disable (acpi) the power management for dynamical cpu throttling and (dma) direct memory access :)
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: i wanna turn of all the apci dma stuff
[12:37] <PY> I see
[12:38] <opuuss> Help now configure IP static ????  :(((((
[12:38] <PY> So, how do I add them as parameters?
[12:38] <opuuss> kd4 8.04?
[12:38] <dystopianray> acpi is more than just cpu throttling, it's a whole bunch of power management related stuff
[12:38] <PY> Meh, power isn't a big deal at the moment
[12:38] <spanther> PY sorry i cant remember :X just try to press this key what comes up so that you can enter something in grub there you can modify the kernel line and write these parameters behind the kernel
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> PY, I think you press esc then you get text boot
[12:39] <PY> XD, ok
[12:39] <spanther> PY its not about power but sometimes ACPI isnt working with your chipset and linux and then you get problems
[12:39] <PY> Ah, ok
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> py, then use "live acpi=off"
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> without quotes
[12:39] <PY> live acpi?
[12:39] <PY> So, what do I input (From the start)
[12:40] <opuuss> Help now configure IP static ????  :(((((
[12:40] <opuuss> kd4 8.04?
[12:40] <PY> magic
[12:40] <spanther> PY dont be that shy just reboot press ESC and look you'll see where you have to put that inside :)
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> PY, esc at the first menu then type live apci=off nodma
[12:41]  * spanther burns kubuntu now
[12:41] <PY> OK, let me find a piece of paper
[12:41] <flipstar> hi, systemsettings>services claims something about 'module system services can't be found'.. any tips .. ?
[12:41] <PY> brb
[12:42] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me mount my external, since I upgraded to hardy when I turn my external on, it's no longer detected
[12:43] <opuuss> Help now configure IP static ????  :(((((
[12:43] <fioss> opuuss: Did you try the system settings?
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> opuuss: you can manually edit /etc/network/interfaces if you want. theres loads of docs if you web search
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> opuuss: you'll need sudo or kdesu (depending on your text editor preference)
[12:48] <Perso> is adept broken?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !fixapt
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: compiling xmms now.. other players are not that great..
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !brokenapt
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brokenapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !apt
[12:49] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: what message do you get?
[12:49] <khaije1> my X is crashing/hanging when i try to use the new nvidia driver, anyone else seeing this?
[12:50] <Perso> ActionParsnip: I'm afraid the boot... is as lost as me
[12:50] <Perso> :p
[12:50] <spanther> khaije1, whats your videocards name?
[12:50] <Romina> is there any channel on freenode which supports "syndaemon" ?
[12:51] <khaije1> spanther: 8600gt (hardy/amd64)
[12:51] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: message? with compiling xmms?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> Perso: what messages do you get with adept?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: i mixed you up with Perso, my bad
[12:51] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: np :)
[12:51] <Perso> ActionParsnip: Iḿ afraid it won't come up
[12:52] <Devourer> How do I upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04?
[12:52] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me mount my external, since I upgraded to hardy when I turn my external on, it's no longer detected
[12:53] <spanther> Devourer, change your /etc/apt/sources.list from gutsy to hardy (the name entrys there) then apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <flipstar> spanther: Devourer there is a easy tool for that.. 'update-manager'
[12:53] <flipstar> just hit the update button
[12:53] <flipstar> you cant miss
[12:54] <spanther> flipstar, soo? okay :>
[12:54] <Devourer> flipstar, where do I get to this update-manager?
[12:54] <spanther> you allready have it :)
[12:54] <spanther> just run it with alt+f2
[12:55] <Devourer> Oh.
[12:55] <spanther> alt+f2 then type update-manager
[12:56] <PY> ;_;
[12:56] <spanther> PY awww :(
[12:56] <spanther> didn't that help you :/
[12:56] <PY> Didn't work ;_;
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> PY, any better?
[12:57] <PY> Not in the slightest
[12:57] <spanther> sorry but i dont know other solutions PY :(
[12:57] <PY> :(
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> PY, you may need the alternate iso
[12:57] <flipstar> PY what's the problem .. ?
[12:57] <PY> Won't boot
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> flipstar: he cant get the live cd to boot
[12:57] <PY> It booted first
[12:57] <Devourer> :(
[12:58] <PY> I've installed it through wubi, and it worked once
[12:58] <flipstar> oh..py what graphic card you have ?
[12:58] <spanther> brb i try to boot too ^^"""
[12:58] <PY> ATI radeon X1300PRO
[12:58] <spanther> o.o ATI's fault !
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> oooh
[12:58]  * ActionParsnip listens
[12:58] <spanther> you get a blank screen right PY ?
[12:58] <flipstar> hehe
[12:59] <PY> No
[12:59] <spanther> same here with my ATI X850XT before <.<
[12:59] <spanther> it just wont boot it stops with a blank screen
[12:59] <Eruaran> maybe things will improve now with open drivers
[12:59] <PY> It boots as normal, but on the little bouncing bar, it contines for ages, then freezes and reboots
[12:59] <PY> Really annoying...
[13:00] <Eruaran> ATI driver support for linux sucked for ages before AMD bought them out
[13:00] <Eruaran> Now AMD is working on improving things
[13:00] <PY> Bah...
[13:00] <PY> It's booted fine before, though
[13:00] <Eruaran> Their first step was to open things up
[13:00] <PY> It's not that it simply isn't compatible, it's booted a few time
[13:00] <PY> s
[13:01] <PY> Though neither of those times could I get compiz to turn on
[13:01] <flipstar> py so what did you changed since this started to happen..?
[13:01] <dystopianray> PY: what video card do you have?
[13:01] <PY> Nothing
ATI radeon X1300PRO
[13:02] <dystopianray> ah well non-working compiz on ati is to be expected
[13:02] <PY> ;_;
[13:02] <PY> Still, I wouldn't mind if it would just boot!
[13:02] <maki_d> hi all
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> hi maki_d
[13:02] <maki_d> where is the list of the packages included in the kubuntu dvd ?
[13:03] <flipstar> PY you probably don't have an integrated graphic card or so..?
[13:03] <PY> Nope
[13:03] <PY> It's a real man's card
[13:03] <PY> Few generations old, though
[13:03] <spanther> lol :>
[13:03] <dystopianray> no real man would have ati
[13:03] <PY> XD
[13:03] <Fyl0n> haha rofl
[13:03] <spanther> dystopianray, STOP THAT >.<
[13:04] <dystopianray> lol
[13:04] <praWned> hai. since the kubuntu 8.04 update i cant see any of my ide drives. they arent in /dev
[13:04] <praWned> ive ls | grep h
[13:04] <praWned> and get no hd named drives
[13:04] <ere4si> !lol
[13:04] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[13:04] <spanther> only real mans fight against the hassle with ATI only littles use nvidia because they know they have less probs to solve ! :P
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> praWned: try sudo fdisk -l
[13:04] <dystopianray> praWned: they may be using the libata drivers now and appear under /dev/sd*
[13:04] <PY> lolomg
[13:05] <praWned> ah now theyre under sdb
[13:05] <flipstar> PY if it isn't the cd itself or acpi i dont know then..
[13:05] <spanther> PY XD
[13:05] <praWned> thanks. but i cant see my cd/dvd drives
[13:05] <dystopianray> praWned: do you have a VIA based board?
[13:05] <PY> Greh, most linux distros don't work properly, but this is the first to say 'screw you'
[13:05] <praWned> um
[13:06] <praWned> nvidia i think
[13:06] <dystopianray> praWned: nforce?
[13:06] <praWned> yeah
[13:06] <praWned> afaik
[13:06] <flipstar> PY maybe you can try 'noapic' as boot options
[13:06] <praWned> nforce2
[13:06] <dystopianray> ok, nevermind then
[13:07] <PY> *sigh* it's gonna be too much trouble, just for a nicer interface and a faster OS... I might just stick with vista...
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> praWned: what if you shove a cd in your drive
[13:07] <praWned> ah that works. they show in media
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> praWned: it should be n /mnt/media
[13:07] <flipstar> PY it's a live cd..not the OS
[13:08] <praWned> ActionParsnip: no such file or dir
[13:08] <PY> I've already installed it, the CD is in the case to my right
[13:08] <praWned> this is someting to do with the new kernel that comes with 8.04 i take it
[13:08] <eagles0513875> hey guys has anyone else experienced thsi that once u have updated ur machine it ends up with a static ip adress of <IP_ADDRESS> instead of it defaulting to automatic to get ip from dhcp
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> praWned: so put a data cd in and open it with yourfile manager
[13:08] <flipstar> PY you've installed it..? so what happens if you boot into recovery mode ?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> praWned: it should give you the mount point
[13:09] <PY> It boots up in text-y mode, and freezes when it starts dealing the USBs
[13:09] <eagles0513875> im havving some uber connectivity issues can anyone help me
[13:09] <praWned> yeah it does - /media/<nameofdisc>
[13:10] <eagles0513875> my problem is for some reason the comp seems to be using a static ip address and not getting ip from dhcp
[13:10] <spanther> PY i've heard the new kernel what came out is buggy
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> praWned: then hit the /media folder
[13:10] <PY> oh, that could be it, then
[13:10] <praWned> yeh
[13:10] <flipstar> eagles0513875: try <ifdown -a;ifup -a> and see if you get an ip..
[13:10] <praWned> loads of folders here that dont work any more
[13:11] <praWned> think i need to play with fstab...altho i thought that the update would have sorted that
[13:11] <eagles0513875> flipstar seems like its not defaulting to automatic to use dhcp
[13:11] <PY> Oh, I can't be bothered to download the old version, there was a reason I gave up on it
[13:11] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me mount my external, since I upgraded to hardy when I turn my external on, it's no longer detected
[13:11] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: If someone asks for XMMS for 8.04.. give them this url :)
[13:11] <Fyl0n> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/xmms/1:1.2.10+20070601-1build2
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> MachinatorSyver: can we have a pastebin of your /etc/fstab
[13:11] <flipstar> MachinatorSyver: systemsettings>advanced>drives
[13:12] <Fyl0n> there's a deb file also.. so no compiling needed
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: score!!
[13:12] <flipstar> eagles0513875: but dhcp client run´s ?
[13:12] <Fyl0n> YES! :D INDEED :D
[13:12] <praWned> yeah it hasnt updated the fstab atall...how useless
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: you could always make a deb from the source and put it on a repo (somehow)
[13:12] <eagles0513875> this is weird if u disable ur wlan and eth0 to reenable eth0 u have to enable wlan then it enables eth0
[13:13] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: what do you mean by disable and enable?
[13:13] <jerzyk86> in windows my gf 8800gt its very quaiet because it have auto cooling fan, but in linux its dont work, fan alweys have 100%, how can i make it for 40% ??
[13:13] <eagles0513875> dystopianray in system settings under network setting in admin mode u can disable ur devices
[13:13] <clau30> !install
[13:13] <flipstar> jerzyk86: look for nvclock
[13:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[13:14] <dystopianray> eagles0513875: oh, i never used it
[13:14] <flipstar> jerzyk86: maybe nvclock-gtk if you like the gui
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> flipstar: do you mean disk & filesystems?
[13:14] <flipstar> MachinatorSyver: yes
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> ActionParsnip:
[13:14] <jerzyk86> ok THX
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> ActionParsnip: /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> /dev/scd1 /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0 0
[13:14] <MachinatorSyver> /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> jerzyk86: That bug was resolved in the 169.09 drivers. Fan control works. The fan control bug was in 169.07. You can also use nvclock to further adjust it if you wish.
[13:15] <kaminix^> If I have 2 gigabyte ram... do I even need a swap?
[13:15] <praWned> once ive changed the fstab, how do i make the system reread it again?
[13:15] <MachinatorSyver> i do see the external in the disk & filesystems
[13:15] <dystopianray> kaminix^: do you wish to hibernate your machine at some point?
[13:15] <flipstar> kaminix^: it's better you have it :)
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> praWned: not sure, let me search
[13:16] <kaminix^> dystopianray: Usually not... don't even think I trust the hibernation function in Linux after what I've heard.
[13:16] <dystopianray> kaminix^: ok then, if you ever use hibernate the hiberante image is stored in swap
[13:16] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes I know.. but I don't know how exactly.. but anyways.. got XMMS to work on hardy.. and I;m super happy :D
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> praWned: sudo mount -a
[13:16] <kaminix^> flipstar: Why?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> Fyl0n: awesome :)
[13:16] <praWned> ty
[13:17] <MachinatorSyver> flipstar: the external is in drives but I don't know how to enable it
[13:17] <flipstar> kaminix^: to have a place to lay things out if ram is full
[13:17] <flipstar> MachinatorSyver: click on admin mode then click on activate
[13:18] <eagles0513875> this isnt working i just restarted my machine adn now its back to a static ip which i dont even use to get on the net
[13:18] <dystopianray> kaminix^: keep in mind that 2GB isn't that much in today's world, 2GB is the standard spec, maybe if you had 4GB it'd be impressive
[13:18] <eagles0513875> im running <IP_ADDRESS> kernel and prior to this upgrade i wasnt having this issue
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> dystopianray: depends on what you use your system for
[13:18] <flipstar> eagles0513875: is you /etc/network/interfaces correct ?
[13:18] <eagles0513875> flipstar what u mean
[13:18] <flipstar> eagles0513875: just pastebin it
[13:19] <eagles0513875> flipstar its seeing my eth0 and wlan cards
[13:19] <eagles0513875> flipstar should i download the released version and reinstall using it instead of the release client
[13:19] <flipstar> eagles0513875: so says it something about dhcp ?
[13:19] <Fyl0n> ActionParsnip: yes you are.. you gave a me start url.. :)
[13:19] <Fyl0n> thanx for the support..! (i'm out.. off to go home..)
[13:19] <eagles0513875> right now its enabled but it has a static ip address i cant even use dhcp it seems like cuz its defaulting back to a randomly generated static ip
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> peace out dude, spread the love
[13:19] <dthacker> eagles0513875: if you don't pastebin /etc/network/interfaces we're just guessing
[13:20] <Fyl0n> :D
[13:20] <eagles0513875> dthacker im on my windows laptop
[13:20] <eagles0513875> i have no connection on it
[13:20] <MachinatorSyver> flipstar: thank you that fixed it
[13:20] <flipstar> eagles0513875: it should look like this
[13:20] <flipstar> auto eth0
[13:20] <flipstar> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[13:20] <dthacker> eagles0513875: does the random address start with a 169?
[13:20] <praWned> rofl. now. when i press the volume up and down keys on my keyboard. the master volume goes up and down. but only the pcm fader actually reduces ior increases the volume
[13:21] <eagles0513875> dthacker yes
[13:21] <dthacker> then you probably have a failed request for DHCP.
[13:21] <flipstar> praWned: key's in kmix mixed up ?
[13:21] <eagles0513875> dthacker what u mean
[13:21] <praWned> well, no. it adjusts the right fader. but the master fader has no effect on the output
[13:21] <dthacker> eagles0513875: Your computer requested and address from your DHCP server but did not get one.
[13:22] <praWned> only the pcm fader does. which makes sense in a way. but the master should affect everything
[13:22] <eagles0513875> dthacker how do i remedy the situation
[13:22] <dthacker> eagles0513875: start at the beginning.   wireless or wired connectivity?
[13:22] <praWned> even if i press mute. the ui shows muted. but i still hear musics
[13:22] <eagles0513875> dthacker wired
[13:22] <praWned> and any system sound for that matter
[13:23] <eagles0513875> dthacker through a small 5 port switch to my cable modem
[13:23] <praWned> only 1 sound card...
[13:23] <dthacker> eagles0513875: does your switch assign DHCP, or do you get it from the cable company?
[13:23] <eagles0513875> cable company
[13:23] <flipstar> praWned: maybe a bug 118723 ?
[13:24] <flipstar> !ping
[13:24] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[13:24] <flipstar> !bug 118723
[13:24] <eagles0513875> #118723
[13:24] <flipstar> hm ***** bot
[13:24] <eagles0513875> flipstar i think that only works in teh dev channel
[13:24] <MachinatorSyver> anyone know what might cause my storage media folder to freeze at loading directory... 0%
[13:25] <eagles0513875> dthacker any solutions to my issue
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> not error ID10T ;)
[13:26] <dthacker> eagles0513875: ok good.   In /etc/network/interfaces, you should just have a couple of lines.  for eth0
[13:26] <dthacker> first line: auto eth0
[13:26] <eagles0513875> dthacker i only have loop back interface in there
[13:26] <dthacker> eagles0513875: can you add these two lines manually?
[13:27] <eagles0513875> dthacker i can i dont mind having to do a complete reinstall
[13:27] <dthacker> eagles0513875: but this is so much simpler :)
[13:27] <eagles0513875> dthacker what do i need to add
[13:27] <flipstar> eagles0513875: this are just two lines @_@
[13:28] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:28] <eagles0513875> dthacker what do u want me to add and 2ndly seems like my loop back is set to auto
[13:28] <dthacker> eagles0513875: first line "auto eth0"
[13:28] <eagles0513875> dthacker and remove auto from infront of lo
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> dthacker, eagles0513875: here is an examplehttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[13:29] <dthacker> eagles0513875: No!  leave lo as it is
[13:29] <eagles0513875> it has auto in front of it
[13:29] <flipstar> eagles0513875: that doesn't hurt..just leave it there
[13:30] <eagles0513875> dthacker next
[13:30] <dthacker> eagles0513875: secodn line "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[13:30] <eagles0513875> dthacker done
[13:31] <tomwitt> Hi all.  What application allows choosing/selecting the monitor (to allow screen resolution updates)?
[13:31] <dthacker> eagles0513875: now issue "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[13:31] <Worf> stupid question: is kubuntu 8.04 a live cd? or a "install-only" cd?
[13:31] <Jucato> Worf: there are 2 versions
[13:32] <Jucato> Desktop CD (Live) and Alternate CD (text-based installer)
[13:32] <flipstar> Worf: there are live cd's , install-only cd's and dvd's which contain both :)
[13:32] <Worf> aaargh
[13:32] <dthacker> aargh?
[13:32] <Worf> now i notice that i downloaded the wrong file
[13:32] <dystopianray> Worf: which one did you get?
[13:32]  * dthacker sympathizes
[13:33] <Worf> kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso ... not what i wanted it seems :)
[13:33] <eagles0513875> dthacker it says no working leases in persistent database im goign to reboot and see if it fixes anything
[13:33] <Jucato> well.. the alternate cd has uses :)
[13:33] <Jucato> (you can use the CD as an offline repository so you can upgrade part of your system with it)
[13:33] <Worf> sure ... i now see, the mirror i got the image from does not yet have the desktop cd on
[13:34] <flipstar> alternate cd can also be used to repair the system
[13:35] <eagles0513875> flipstar what bout upgrade
[13:35] <dthacker> eagles0513875: the means you're not getting through to the cable company to get a DHCP address. Check your cable and the switch and make sure everything is physically connected properly.
[13:35] <eagles0513875> dthacker it is
[13:37] <eagles0513875> dthacker its not seeing my network card what so ever n ow
[13:37] <eagles0513875> ill be back in a lil while
[13:37] <asdfe> dang, hey eagles0513875
[13:37] <dthacker> ok, I have to go to work eagles0513875, so try with someone else, sorry I couldn;t help
[13:37] <eagles0513875> dthacker its ok im goign to reinstall and see if i ahve the same issue
[13:40] <halcyonCorsair> hey, can anyone tell me how ubuntu sets up partitioning when you use the guided setup?
[13:42] <flipstar> systemsettings>services claims something about 'module system services can't be found'.. any tips .. ?
[13:43] <billybobobo> Hello.  I am running Kubuntu Beta 5.  Are there any major changes that I should know or reasons I should reinstall to the final 8.04?  In particular, my networking is horribly slow...
[13:44] <Jucato> billybobobo: no need to reinstall. if you've just upgraded daily since you installed beta 5, you'll be in final now
[13:44] <Worf> billybobobo: don't reinstall, just upgrade. however - a slow network propably is a totally different problem
[13:45] <spanther> yay i am on linux :D
[13:45] <Jucato> slow network + hammered servers = just try after a few days
[13:45] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know where the md5sum is for the DVD image?
[13:45] <immesys> Hey, this is a simple question but um, how do I move my task panel from one screen to another?
[13:45] <flipstar> Dragnslcr: same place where the images are
[13:46] <Dragnslcr> The only link from the downloads page is to the torrent files
[13:46] <flipstar> i'll check this..
[13:46] <Jucato> isn't the md5sum included in it?
[13:46] <billybobobo> Jucato, that was my thoughts, thanks.  But why would I be having such difficult networking?  DNS resolution is poor; webpage loading is slow; torrent downloading of Kubuntu 8.04 Final is slow;  I cannot connect to the irc.ubuntu.com site (I am connected here through Freenode); trying to remote-ssh into my 8.04 system takes minutes to prompt for a password...
[13:47] <Jucato> billybobobo: not really sure..
[13:47] <billybobobo> IPv6?  how does one turn that off?
[13:47] <billybobobo> or is that unlikely to be the cause?
[13:47] <Dragnslcr> Found it
[13:47] <Dragnslcr> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[13:47] <Dragnslcr> It's the Ireland mirror
[13:48] <flipstar> billybobobo: you can easily set up a dns cache to improve this..
[13:48] <flipstar> billybobobo: you have a wireless connection ?
[13:48] <Dragnslcr> Personally, I think putting the md5 sums somewhere more obvious on the downloads page would be nice
[13:49] <billybobobo> flipstar: no, wired
[13:49] <Worf> well, torrent does check integrity itself, doesn't it?
[13:49] <flipstar> jep
[13:50] <flipstar> billybobobo: please visit this site http://www.speedguide.net:8080/
[13:50] <immesys> How do I add a panel to dock my widgets onto?
[13:50] <spanther> second life won't run :( somebody maybe know a running build for linux?
[13:50] <fioss> immesys: kde3?
[13:50] <immesys> fioss: kde4
[13:51] <billybobobo> flipstar: what would you like to know from my results?
[13:51] <flipstar> billybobobo: is anything red ?
[13:53] <immesys> I have a dual monitor setup and the wrong screen has the task bar, how do I move it/ create another one.. I'm sure you could just drag it in kde3...
[13:53] <flipstar> immesys: »» #kubuntu-kde4
[13:54] <immesys> flipstar: okay
[13:55] <phil_> Hi
[13:55] <tekteen> hi
[13:56] <Eruaran> hi
[13:56] <boboBo> hi
[13:56] <phil_> I can't seem to upgrade with the Australian servers in my list
[13:56] <phil_> and I can't change the list because I dont know how to get permission
[13:57] <phil_> does anyone know a site that explains what to do?
[13:57] <SlimeyPete> you can change repo servers using the menu in Adept
[13:57] <Lynoure> phil_: sudo gives some error?
[13:58] <phil_> well I tried to edit it with a text editor but it wouldn't let me save
[13:58] <Lynoure> phil_: if not, you can modify the repo list e.g. by   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:58] <Lynoure> phil_: the password it asks is your own
[13:58] <flipstar> phil_: just do it in adept its much easier
[13:58] <boboBo> Jucato and flipstar -- great example, perhaps.  But irc.ubuntu.com just connected after a 5m wait, and then forced my name to change (I'm not registered).  But a 5m pause to connect?  And if I go over to that channel, it tells me there are 0 nicks connected, but here through the freenode channel I see 358 people.
[13:59] <cdvdt> only root can do that
[13:59] <flipstar> phil_: just click on software sources and choose your mirror in adept
[13:59] <cdvdt> uograde to hardy is secure?
[14:00] <flipstar> sure
[14:00] <phil_> ok I used adept and switched to "main server", hoping I wont keep geing timeouts now
[14:00] <cdvdt> thx
[14:00] <spanther> cdvdt:  you better backup your pc ever ;)
[14:00] <eagles0513875> im goign to try fix my problem with a reinstall and see if its a kernel bug
[14:00] <flipstar> phil_: main server might also be under pretty pressure
[14:00] <spanther> yay lol :D now after installing the 32bit libs i can start second life nice
[14:00] <phil_> ahh so it's just everyone jumping on the upgrade
[14:01] <cdvdt> I'd install gutsy a week ago, just to upgrade now
[14:01] <flipstar> o_O
[14:02] <tekteen> I will hold off till the weekend to upgrade
[14:02] <tekteen> this way I can download from the repos without dying of old age
[14:02] <flipstar> boboBo: seems like something is very wrong with your connection..what did the website show ?
[14:02] <JackWinter> i changed the order of my soundcards by adding options snd slots=snd-hda-intel,snd-hdsp to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.  jack sees the interfaces in the right order.  only problem is that i lost sound in kde, second life and amarok..?
[14:02] <flipstar> tekteen: you can use the cd's from torrent ;)
[14:03] <phil_> yeah right the main servedr is a slug atm
[14:03] <tekteen> flipstar: I have the cds
[14:03] <tekteen> flipstar: but then what? I will then have to wait to get my old programs back
[14:03] <cdvdt> teh
[14:05] <flipstar> tekteen: as long as you don't reinstall the old programs will be kept..?
[14:05] <Shaisuke> i have a question
[14:05] <tekteen> Some would need to be upgraded from the repo
[14:06] <tekteen> !ask|Shaisuke
[14:06] <ubotu> Shaisuke: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:06] <Shaisuke> does kubuntu 8.04 come with firefox 3 beta 5
[14:06] <Shaisuke> sorry
[14:06] <tekteen> I think so
[14:06] <tekteen> no
[14:06] <tekteen> you have to download it
[14:06] <spanther> Shaisuke: yes :)
[14:06] <flipstar> tekteen: sure but you can disbale all repo's except the cd..and update the rest later
[14:06] <spanther> you just have to install it
[14:06] <Shaisuke> ok
[14:06] <Shaisuke> i can use adept for it right?
[14:06] <tekteen> Shaisuke: yes
[14:06] <spanther> Shaisuke:  its in the repos officially just install package "firefox"
[14:07] <Shaisuke> nice thanks
[14:07] <tekteen> Shaisuke: kubuntu never came with firefox
[14:07] <flipstar> thats a shame btw !
[14:07] <tomwitt> Hi all.  What application in KDE allows selecting/changing the monitor?
[14:07] <tekteen> yep... but true
[14:07] <Shaisuke> w3ell as least i can install it without compiling anything
[14:07] <Shaisuke> well
[14:08] <phil_> is there an easy way to make youtube videos work with firefox on kubuntu?
[14:08] <tekteen> Shaisuke: ubuntu comes with it
[14:08] <flipstar> Shaisuke: even the mozilla website handles out binary's ;)
[14:08] <Shaisuke> yeah but aren't there tar files
[14:09] <flipstar> yep..binary's in a tar file :)
[14:09] <Shaisuke> ok
[14:09] <phil_> scratch that.. it's working... somehow
[14:09] <Shaisuke> so i extract it then what
[14:09] <tekteen> Shaisuke: not worth it
[14:09] <dystopianray> phil_: install flash
[14:09] <tekteen> upgrade then use adept
[14:09] <flipstar> Shaisuke: just click it :) but just use adept_manager..
[14:09] <Shaisuke> ok
[14:10] <yao_ziyua1> yao_z
[14:10] <yao_ziyua1> sorry
[14:10] <yao_ziyua1> what is the best dictionary program for linux? except stardict
[14:10] <flipstar> kdict :)
[14:10] <Shaisuke> thanks guys
[14:10] <flipstar> yao_ziyua1: it based on dictd
[14:11] <yao_ziyua1> flipstar: i already use it. but it can't get a word from the screen automatically
[14:11] <flipstar> yao_ziyua1: what do you mean ? afaik you have to enter the word in the dialog..
[14:11] <jonah> hey guys a few issues with kde4 i was hoping someoen could help me out. when i make the panel small or tiny the digital clock is too big for it. and also how do you move the widget button from top corner to the bottom so i can have my panel at the top without it covering it over? thanks for any help
[14:11] <spanther> i've disabled the soundsystem allready but still have no sound :( my soundcard is shown in mixer and everyhings at 100% :(
[14:12] <flipstar> spanther: intelhda ?
[14:12] <yao_ziyua1> jonah: point your mouse on any word on the screen and the dictionary automatically shows a pop-up window containing its meanings
[14:12] <spanther> flipstar: Nvidia MCP65
[14:12] <jonah> yao_ziyua1: what??
[14:13] <spanther> flipstar: its named HDA NVidia
[14:13] <yao_ziyua1> jonah: like a tooltip
[14:13] <flipstar> spanther: just type (or paste) <lspci|grep -i audio> in a shell
[14:13] <ere4si> jonah: kde4 talk in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:14] <jonah> thanks
[14:14] <flipstar> spanther: if it's a !intelhda you might have to follow the !intelhda guide
[14:14] <spanther> flipstar: like i said.. nVidia Corporation MCP65 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[14:15] <flipstar> !intelhda | spanther then look here and follow these instructionz
[14:15] <ubotu> spanther then look here and follow these instructionz: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:15] <richard> #christian
[14:15] <richard> join #christian
[14:15] <richard> hello
[14:15] <spanther> flipstar: I DONT HAVE INTEL !!
[14:15] <spanther> omg...
[14:16] <flipstar> spanther: nvm it's probably the same
[14:16] <spanther> youre sure?
[14:16] <flipstar> no, but it's not intel specific or so
[14:16] <flipstar> and it probably won't destroy your system or so
[14:18] <ha|0> hello, I'm having trouble writing to a particular partition, but with only one program.  I have to run it as root for it to work, though the folder is owned by my user.  Any thoughts?
[14:19] <ha|0> ne1?
[14:19] <vaneck> jour
[14:20] <tomwitt> is there an ubuntu/kubuntu equiv to 'yum whatprovides'?
[14:22] <flipstar> tomwitt: it's apt-get here..<sudo apt-get install whatever> for e.g.
[14:22] <flipstar> tomwitt: adept_manager is the graphical variant
[14:23] <tomwitt> thanks
[14:23] <flipstar> you're welcome :)
[14:26] <spanther> flipstar: sudo make failed
[14:26] <spanther> part Compile and install alsa-driver
[14:27] <spanther> !alsa
[14:27] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[14:28] <halll0> can anyone help me with a permissions problem?
[14:28] <tekteen> halll0: sure
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> sup halll0
[14:28] <halll0> thanks guys
[14:29] <tekteen> we haven't helped you yet :-)
[14:29] <flipstar> spanther: just pastebin all your steps
[14:29] <halll0> I'm trying to dl to a partition that owned by my user
[14:29] <halll0> ;)
[14:29] <tekteen> ok
[14:29] <halll0> SABnzbd won't cooperate and won't write to that folder unless I run it as root
[14:29] <spanther> flipstar: i did it how the tutorial said and it failed so this tutorial didnt work i had no typos
[14:29] <tekteen> where is the partition mounted?
[14:29] <flipstar> spanther: you extracted it and so ?
[14:30] <spanther> flipstar: sure Oo
[14:30] <halll0> @tekteen: /media/data/
[14:30] <spanther> i said i did it like in the howto so why do you ask for this
[14:30] <flipstar> spanther: if you'd followed the tutorial it wouldn't fail
[14:30] <spanther> it does fail !
[14:30] <flipstar> spanther: had you compiled before on this pc ?
[14:31] <tekteen> halll0: open a konsole and type ls -l /media/dat*
[14:31] <spanther> no i havent but i've installed headers and kernel sources like tutor said also
[14:31] <tekteen> halll0: what is the output?
[14:31] <halll0> it lists the contents of that directory
[14:32] <halll0> all owned by me
[14:32] <tekteen> halll0: I want to see it :-)
[14:32] <halll0> ok, can I post a screenshot somewhere or something?
[14:32] <tekteen> copy and paste it
[14:33] <halll0> here?
[14:33] <ere4si> !paste
[14:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:33] <tekteen> it should be one line
[14:33] <affan> hi everyone, i upgraded to 8.10 but my wireless stopped working... i try to enable the interface in settings but it gets disabled immediately... any clues? thanks!
[14:33] <halll0> ah...gottit
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> affan: can we have a pastebin of your lspci output
[14:34] <flipstar> affan: wow! 8.10 pre alpha will be released in june ..
[14:34] <flipstar> affan: how did you get it ?
[14:34] <affan> sorry flipstar, whatever the latest one is :P
[14:34] <halll0> tekteen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64363/
[14:35] <tekteen> halll0: now do ls -l /media
[14:35] <tekteen> and pastebin it
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> !paste | tekteen
[14:35] <ubotu> tekteen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:36] <tekteen> ActionParsnip: I know what pastebin is
[14:36] <tekteen> ActionParsnip: what was that for?
[14:36] <halll0> tekteen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64364/
[14:36] <halll0> hmmm...seems root owns all other mount points
[14:36] <spanther> flipstar: nForce520 chipset with AMD64 Kubuntu version and MCP65 chipset nvidia high definition audio
[14:37] <Bauldrick> why is hardy not recognising any of monitors (they all show up as P&P)
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> tekteen: i misread now as how
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> tekteen: my bad
[14:37] <tekteen> ActionParsnip: np
[14:37] <tekteen> halll0: maybe it is mounted read-only
[14:37] <affan> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8042/
[14:38] <tekteen> halll0: pastebin the output of the command "mount"
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> affan: so you have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4306
[14:38] <halll0> tekteen: I don't think it is...this is the only program that won't write to it, non-root
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> affan: if you run ifconfig does the device show up?
[14:38] <floodis> I have the problem with the lost of the sound too. So if anyone finds a sure way of solving this please notify the rest of us.
[14:39] <tekteen> halll0: I am saying you mounted the partition as read only
[14:39] <tekteen> can root write to it?
[14:39] <affan> yes but only interface eth0... not eth1 which is the wireless interface
[14:39] <halll0> tekteen: yes, root can write to it
[14:39] <tekteen> ok
[14:39] <halll0> tekteen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64365/
[14:39] <affan> ActionParsnip: yes but only interface eth0... not eth1 which is the wireless interface
[14:40] <flipstar> krdc and krdc-kde4 constantly crash...are there better/other programs ??
[14:40] <flipstar> krdc-kde4 crashes a little fewer but also crashes :(
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> affan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=340689
[14:41] <tekteen> halll0: try this command: touch /media/data/test.txt
[14:41] <tekteen> halll0: this will tell me if your use can write at all
[14:41] <halll0> tekteen: it creates test.txt
[14:41] <tekteen> ok
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> affan: dont compile ndiswrapper though, get it from repos
[14:41] <tekteen> so you can write to the partition
[14:41] <tekteen> what is the problem again?
[14:42] <tekteen> what program was having issues?
[14:42] <Pennycook> I've just run into a problem with my LyX install, apparently listings.sty is missing. I've found the file, but have no idea where Kubuntu stores TeX information, or if there's a tool for configuring LaTeX. Does anybody know?
[14:43] <tekteen> halll0: are you trying to download a file?
[14:43] <affan> ActionParsnip: i remember last time when in installed kubuntu i did not have to use ndiswrapper, it just worked somehow
[14:43] <halll0> tekteen: yes, I'm using SABnzbd, a usenet binary downloader
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> hmmm, well i know broadcom dont make drivers due to them sucking
[14:43] <tekteen> ok
[14:44] <tekteen> halll0: what error does it give
[14:44] <tekteen> ?
[14:44] <halll0> hmmm...lemme check it again
[14:47] <halll0> tekteen: sorry, I'm having to look through a log file to find it
[14:47] <tekteen> np
[14:48] <nappula> anyone using rtl8185 in 8.04? 'cause mine is broken
[14:49] <halll0> tekteen: I'm going to try to dl something small to reproduce the error
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> affan: i'd go through that guide and use ndiswrapper, should be ok
[14:49] <flipstar> how can i ask for an user interaction in a bash script ?
[14:50] <tekteen> flipstar: echo "tell me this"; read VARIABLE
[14:50] <flipstar> thx, will try this
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> nappula: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/55905
[14:51] <tekteen> flipstar: you can have them on seperate lines
[14:51] <tekteen> flipstar: and I like to put a echo -n ">" before the read command
[14:52] <halll0> tekteen: basically when I run it non-root it gives an error saying it can't create the destination folder
[14:52] <nappula> ActionParsnip: I don't think that's my problem, it was working fine on 7.10
[14:53] <nappula> I can't even bring the card down
[14:53] <tekteen> halll0: try mkdir /media/data/test
[14:53] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:54] <tekteen> BluesKaj: yo\
[14:54] <jonah> ok i'm trying to import email into kmail, can anyone please help. my old emails were in evolution. the kmail website says to go to tools, import but no such menu entry exists so that's no good
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> nappula: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_23136906.html
[14:55] <tekteen> halll0:  you there?
[14:55] <halll0> tekteen: yep, sorry.  It works
[14:55] <halll0> it makes the directory "test"
[14:55] <tekteen> halll0: where does it try to save it?
[14:56] <nappula> ActionParsnip: well I had them installed already on 7.10 just after upgrading they don't work anymore
[14:56] <BluesKaj> so far Hardy seems quite good but have to use the 3 finger salute to shut down
[14:56] <tekteen> halll0: does it put it in a sub directory
[14:56] <halll0> tekteen: /media/data/test
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> nappula: reinstall
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> nappula: the driver
[14:56] <tekteen> halll0: try to save the files to the folder /media/data/test/
[14:57] <tekteen> it may be that the first time you ran it, it was root
[14:57] <tekteen> so it created the directories as root
[14:57] <BluesKaj> nope , happened twice
[14:58] <halll0> tekteen:  I created file text.txt in dir /media/data/test/ without using sudo
[14:58] <tekteen> halll0: try to download whatever it was using sabnzbd
[14:59] <nappula> ActionParsnip: tried it, didn't help
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> nappula: then im out. sorry
[15:01] <halll0> tekteen: yep, same error: 2008-04-25 14:59:37,100::INFO::[assembler] Creating directories: /media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download/DIR 2008-04-25 14:59:37,101::ERROR::[assembler] Failed making (/media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download/DIR
[15:01] <halll0> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download/DIR
[15:02] <tekteen> try the command mkdir -p /media/data/usenet/.sabnzb/download then try it
[15:02] <halll0> tekteen: yep, it exists
[15:03] <tekteen> halll0: ok
[15:03] <tekteen> is there anything in that folder?
[15:04] <tekteen> anything important?
[15:04] <halll0> no, nothing, but I just saw something...hold on
[15:04] <jonah> hello does anyone know how to do this? thanks
[15:05] <halll0> tekteen: I'm a muppet...that's why you don't troubleshoot after only 1 hrs sleep
[15:06] <halll0> tekteen: the dir /media/data/usenet/.sabnzbd/download/ was owned by root.  I changed it to my user and it works now
[15:06] <tekteen> halll0: I was about to tell you to do that
[15:06] <halll0> tekteen: many, many thanks ;)
[15:06] <tekteen> lol
[15:06] <halll0> heh heh
[15:06] <tekteen> bye
[15:06] <halll0> cheers, bye
[15:07] <halll0> exit
[15:09] <xiaohx> join #kubuntu-kde4
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I'm wondering how to link google-earth beta (which requires permission to launch) to the desktop withou having to open the file with root everytime I want to use it ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> tried a system link from the desktop ,but all it did was open the path to the file and ask me if I wanted to execute
[15:12] <Eruaran> Has anyone had aspec ratio issues with 8.04 ?
[15:12] <Eruaran> Can't get high enough screen rez or aspect ratio on wide monitors ?
[15:12] <nappula> and I can see the card on my iwconfig and the mode is auto even though it should be managed but I can't get the card down to change the mode
[15:13] <Lynoure> Eruaran: might be about your specific video card
[15:14] <BluesKaj> !iwconfig
[15:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iwconfig - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:14] <Eruaran> Lynoure: nVidia GeForce 8500 GT 512 MB
[15:15] <consfearacy> which is better: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[15:15] <Eruaran> kubuntu
[15:16] <genii> nappula: Have you tried something like: sudo ifconfig <devname> down; sudo iwconfig <devname> mode managed; sudo ifconfig <devname> up                      ?
[15:16] <genii> consfearacy: Diffrent strokes fer diffrent folks
[15:17] <genii> (better is subjective, according to how you like to work or so on)
[15:17] <consfearacy> i am downloading the kde4 kubuntu to try it out
[15:18] <Lynoure> Eruaran: I don't use Nvidia at all, but someone who does could know better
[15:18] <Braeloch> Kubuntu will not display properly. It recognizes the 1440 x 990 resolution but the aspect ratio is all wrong; everything is set to the right-hand side of the screen, only taking up about 85% of my monitor.
[15:19] <Eruaran> Braeloch: that sounds familiar
[15:20] <Braeloch> Eruaran: I'm Ryft (but 'Ryft' is already registered by someone else here).
[15:20] <Eruaran> I know :P
[15:21] <nappula> genii: yes I tried, but ifconfig down doesn't do anything,
[15:23] <jonah> hi can anyone please tell me how to import evolution emails into kmail 1.9.9
[15:23] <Eruaran> Braeloch: This seems to be a problem specific to this graphics card only...
[15:24] <Braeloch> Eruaran: That's messed up, considering the ubiquity of nVidia.
[15:25] <Eruaran> Braeloch: Its nVidia's fault
[15:25] <Braeloch> Eruaran: And I can't exactly afford to go out and buy a new video card... *sigh*
[15:25] <Braeloch> Damn it.
[15:26] <Braeloch> "Go with nVidia," everyone told me.
[15:26] <Eruaran> Braeloch: I'm still googling for something, anything... I don't know of any problems with other nVidia cards
[15:27] <Braeloch> Eruaran: Oh, you mean it's just this particular nVidia card, then? The 8500 GT?
[15:27] <Eruaran> Braeloch: The 8500GT it seems
[15:28] <Eruaran> Braeloch: have you tried using nVidia's drivers from their site ?
[15:28] <Braeloch> Doesn't that just figure... lol
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Braeloch, I find it disappointing when ppl tell others to get a new graphics card..my motto is : if it works in windows then there's no excuse for it not to work in linux ...to me that's a cop out
[15:28] <khaije1> oh hello, someone else having trouble w/ nvidia under hardy?
[15:28] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: I didn't tell him to get a new graphics card thanks
[15:28] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: sometimes it's the manufacturers that cop out..
[15:28] <khaije1> i'm having trouble w/ a 8600gt, X either seizes or crashes
[15:28] <Braeloch> BluesKaj: I feel the same way.
[15:29] <Braeloch> khaije1: Not Hardy, no.
[15:29] <Eruaran> Just for good measure, nVidia's drivers were responsible for a quarter of Vista problems last year
[15:29] <Eruaran> Its not just Linux users who are affected
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, I didn't mention any names , merely commenting on what seems to be prevalent attitude towards some hardware
[15:30] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: k
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, we all suffer from poor linux hardware support in one way or another
[15:31] <Eruaran> If the ATI situation continues to improve and the nVidia situation continues like this, I may just switch when I upgrade next.
[15:31] <Braeloch> Eruaran: This driver is newer than the last time I updated. I'm grabbing it now.
[15:32] <Eruaran> Braeloch: ok
[15:32] <Eruaran> Braeloch: let us know how you go with it
[15:32] <Braeloch> Eruaran: Yeah, will do.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> well, I have elcheapo ati onboard graphics and I'm qiuite happy so far with Hardy's restricted default driver performance. If frame rate on fgl_glxgears is any indicator , it increase by 50% from gutsy.
[15:34] <Eruaran> Funny thing is, with open source drivers we can expect ATI/AMD graphics to work with GNU/Linux distro's "out of the box" pretty much in the next 12 months... If nVidia doesn't move to compete with this then things could really shift strongly toward AMD for GNU users.
[15:35] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: yes I've never had any trouble
[15:35] <Braeloch> Rebooting. See you in the other channel, Eruaran.
[15:35] <Eruaran> Braeloch: k
[15:35] <_stijn_> hey
[15:36] <Eruaran> hi
[15:37]  * _stijn_ has a problem
[15:37] <_stijn_> I'm installing kubuntu 7.10
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, I tried a Hardy RC a week ago and it was terrible , no DRI 0r 3D , so I was reluctant to upgrade , but I "succumbed to the pressure" and am pleasantly surprised.
[15:37] <nappula> don't we all?
[15:37] <_stijn_> but on the fourth step, it doesn't load the HDD
[15:37] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: some of what I'm hearing has discouraged me from upgrading so far
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, the 'issues' I have are pretty minor so far.
[15:38] <Eruaran> I have kubuntu-kde4 on disk ready to install
[15:39] <nappula> well my wireless isn't working, that's pretty major imo
[15:39] <BluesKaj> !wireless | nappula
[15:39] <ubotu> nappula: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:40] <_stijn_> anyone?
[15:41] <nappula> BluesKaj: yupyup, doesn't help, problem appeared after upgrading.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, the partitioning step?
[15:42] <flipstar> hello.. systemsettings>services claims something about 'module system services can't be found'.. any tips .. ?
[15:42] <_stijn_> yes BluesKaj
[15:42] <_stijn_> it scannes the HDD
[15:42] <_stijn_> and when its 100% it stops
[15:42] <BluesKaj> sorry nappula , not wireless user ...all cat5 in my house
[15:43] <_stijn_> I never had that problem before, I'm installing it on my sisters pc
[15:43] <``\> hi
[15:44] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, are you choosing to overwrite/format an existing partition ?
[15:44] <``\> kubuntu 8.04 isn't suppose to have kde4 by default ?
[15:44] <_stijn_> I can't choose the disk
[15:44] <_stijn_> because the intall doesn't show the HDD
[15:45] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, go back one step , if possible, and try manual partitoning
[15:45] <_stijn_> manual with qparted?
[15:46] <flipstar> !khardy | ``\
[15:46] <ubotu> ``\: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[15:46] <BluesKaj> oh sorry , thought you were using the live cd
[15:47] <``\> flipstar: i downloaded the iso there were only one on releases.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <_stijn_> BluesKaj: it seems this pc just has 250MB of RAM
[15:47] <flipstar> ``\: maybe the wrong dir..?
[15:47] <_stijn_> and the live disc requires 384MB or more
[15:47] <``\> do you have a link ?
[15:47] <_stijn_> maybe that's the problem
[15:47] <flipstar> ``\: for what..?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> _stijn_, what disc are you using ...are you trying to install kubuntu or qtparted partitioner disk
[15:48] <``\> donwloading kubuntu hardy with kde4 ?
[15:48] <_stijn_> I'm trying to install kubuntu
[15:48] <``\> i wanted to do a proper installation
[15:48] <flipstar> ``\: there are desktop's and alternate cd's for kde4 ..
[15:49] <flipstar> ``\: and 32 and 64bit versions ..
[15:49] <flipstar> ``\: see http://www.acc.umu.se/~mighty/ubuntu/ for torrents
[15:49] <``\> i'm checking it
[15:49] <BluesKaj> with such little ram , consider using xfce desktop  or xubuntu
[15:49] <_stijn_> and ubuntu?
[15:49] <flipstar> _stijn_: gnome and kde are both pretty heavy..
[15:50] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu will work in 256MB but it won't be quick
[15:50] <BluesKaj> hey ``\ , how about using a real nick
[15:50] <hydrogen> Does anyone happen to know if Google Sketchup works in wine?
[15:50] <flipstar> xfce or xubuntu is more lightwight
[15:50] <_stijn_> kej flipstar, let me find a empty cd :P
[15:50] <flipstar> _stijn_: i use cd+rw's :p
[15:50] <_stijn_> good for you
[15:51] <_stijn_> I travelled 5km to install kubuntu :P
[15:51] <flipstar> wow
[15:51] <``\> lol BluesKaj it's a real nick
[15:51] <_stijn_> I can't bike back to get any empty cd :p
[15:51] <``\> thanks a lot flipstar
[15:51] <flipstar> ``\: np :)
[15:52] <_stijn_> the shit windows gives a BSD /p
[15:52] <_stijn_> so that's why i'm installing ubuntu on this crap pc :p
[15:52] <Eruaran> ``\: I like it
[15:52] <BluesKaj> punctuation isn't a real nick ..nicks require letters from the alphabet IMO
[15:52] <``\> thanks
[15:52] <mguezuraga> Are the servers down? I can't apt-get update
[15:52] <``\> BluesKaj: it's accept by the server and admins who gave me my crypted hostname
[15:53] <``\> Eruaran: me too :D
[15:53] <``\> btw thank you and see you :)
[15:54] <ushaba> i have a hosed upgrade of kubuntu on my other computer
[15:54] <ushaba> unable to boot into xserver, can't boot into any kernels except those for gutsy in safe mode
[15:54] <BluesKaj> IMO I said ...if it was up to me all undesrscores etc on nicks would be banned :)
[15:54] <ushaba> and can't get wireless working from the commandline
[15:54] <Eruaran> I think I might back up some stuff and install kubuntu-kde4 tomorrow
[15:55] <ushaba> obviously the final problem is necessary to solve the other two
[15:55] <ushaba> anyone have any ideas?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ushaba, did you do clean live cd install or net upgrade or... ?
[15:56] <ushaba> net upgrade
[15:57] <ushaba> unfortunately both my cd drives are having issues, so i'm not sure i can get a disc to burn
[15:57] <ushaba> first issue seems to be to get online via wireless from the commandline
[15:57] <ushaba> then to fix the problems in apt
[15:58] <ushaba> sounds like i might as well be using slackware
[15:58] <ushaba> haha
[15:59] <ushaba> first thing's first, i guess, getting wireless from the command line. anyone ever had this adventure? :)
[15:59] <genii> back
[16:00] <flipstar> i need help with the service manager :/
[16:00] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: can you get wired?
[16:00] <genii> nappula: By "ifconfig down doesn't do anything" do you mean it just executes the command and returns you to a prompt, or does it tell you something. Like ioctl error   or something else. Because usually if no messages it executed successfully
[16:01] <ushaba> well, i probably could, but physically moving the computer will be annoying and time-consuming as my roommate has rearranged the apartment
[16:01] <ushaba> it's a desktop
[16:01] <ushaba> there isn't a basic wifi-up sort of thing?
[16:01] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: ok. is the network protected?
[16:01] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: like with wep or wpa?
[16:02] <ushaba> it's just a wep hex password
[16:02] <ushaba> wep hex
[16:02] <ushaba> i'm checking the forums as i type this
[16:02] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: ok. then that should be relatively easy...
[16:02] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: is you wireless card working?
[16:02] <ushaba> it's over usb
[16:02] <ushaba> it has worked previously
[16:03] <ushaba> level1 usb wireless
[16:03] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: so you still need the drivers? or no?
[16:03] <ushaba> supported natively
[16:03] <ushaba> if i am not mistaken
[16:03] <flipstar> where can i get further help for the system service manager ? :/
[16:03] <sandro> hey guys my updater froze and i wanna know how to resume how it was from before
[16:03] <ushaba> is there a way i can check if it's a kernel module or not?
[16:03] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: do "iwconfig" and see if it it lists your wirelesss device
[16:03] <ushaba> yes
[16:03] <ushaba> it oddly may be connecting
[16:04] <ushaba> it lists the ESSID as the network name
[16:04] <ushaba> let me try to ping google
[16:04] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: do "iwlist scanning" and see if you can find your access point
[16:04] <ushaba> nope
[16:04] <bleaked> so i just installed hardy, enabled my fglrx drivers, rebooted.  i then enabled desktop effects, then rebooted.. as i sit her, compiz has not loaded.  *please* tell me kubuntu has evolved beyond having the user have to place compiz in the ~/.kde/Autostart folder.. or must I do this still?
[16:04] <ushaba> ping doesn't work
[16:04] <ushaba> no scan results for wlan0
[16:05] <ushaba> it hmm..,
[16:05] <sandro> it was upgrading to kubuntu 8.04 lts i previously had 7.10 kubuntu
[16:05] <ushaba> that's odd that it lists the essid before but doesn't list the network under scanning
[16:05] <sandro> it removed a bunch of packages and it needs to replace them
[16:06] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495
[16:06] <BluesKaj> bleaked, a little early for eye candy solutions here, maybe #compiz-fusion is a better place to ask .
[16:07] <sandro> someone help
[16:07] <genii> sandro: archive.buntu.com is currently swamped
[16:08] <sandro> genii: what does that mean?
[16:08] <bleaked> BluesKaj: odd.. why would the first bullet in the release notes tout how kubuntu now has a desktop effects manager..  clearly this is a kubuntu issue.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> sandro, the default is to replace them , unless they are special scripts written for compiled apps
[16:09] <flipstar> bleaked: afaik it doesn't start by default
[16:09] <Odd-rationale> ushaba: did that link help?
[16:09]  * BluesKaj searches for desktop effects manager
[16:09] <genii> sandro: It means the updater is waiting for archive.ubuntu.com to respond but it's being hammered right now. So all you can do is wait
[16:09] <bleaked> flipstar: so what is the point of the desktop effects manager?  to help install compiz?
[16:10] <Tecumseh> hi guys, I have a bit of a sound problem with hardy
[16:10] <bleaked> BluesKaj: it's installed by default in hardy -- uner 'System' in the k menu
[16:10] <flipstar> bleaked: this and easily configure effekts i guess
[16:10] <Tecumseh> could someone point me in the right direction?
[16:11] <sandro> genii: its installing chillispot i dont think its downloading anymore its been telling me i have 3 minutes left for over an hour now
[16:11] <BluesKaj> bleaked, sorry , didn't realize ...thinl I'll stay out of eye candy probs :)
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> hows hardy lookin?
[16:11] <sandro> BluesKaj: installation just froze i think the downloading process is complete
[16:11] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: except few bugs, good :)
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> lots of problems with X?
[16:12] <Tecumseh> not too good so far, there is no sound for me
[16:12] <BluesKaj> not too shabby so far for me at least, nosrednaekim
[16:12] <bleaked> idk..i think it is really unfair to list this as the first major improvement on the release annoucement and the damn thing won't start when you enable it, nor can i find *any* hardy documentation on how to enable it.. . albeit i personally know how to fix this, a new user would find this endlessly frustrating.
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: nice
[16:12] <nosrednaekim> *BluesKaj
[16:13] <BluesKaj> bleaked, only if they were obsessed with window dressing :)
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: whats the problem?
[16:14] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: i just installed hardy, and i was eager to test the new kubuntu desktop effects manager.. i installed my 3d drivers, rebooted, then enabled desktop effects, rebooted, and now compiz has not loaded.
[16:14] <sandro> BluesKaj: im gonna be shipping out in a day, and i'd like to be able to have everything working so if u could help me that would be great
[16:15] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: the 8.04 announcement on the kubuntu front page lists this manager as the first improvement in the release, and implies that all you do is enable these effects and you're on your way
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: I see, does compiz --replace work? and are you sure the desktop effects aren't enabled?
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: I know... I wrote the app myself :)
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> the effects manager doesn't work for me either tbh
[16:16] <flipstar> bleaked: this will probably help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511389
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> (using fglrx + aiglx or xgl)
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> not that I'm terribly bothered
[16:16] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: no compiz --replace does not work
[16:17] <bleaked> but my point is that new users are lead to believe that this manager takes care of it all.. one shouldn't have to run that command, or enter it as an autostart entry
[16:17] <genii> sandro: Your best bet right now is just interrupt it, then add a different mirror that may not be so swamped as the main one onto your sources instead of the main one
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: then its hardly a problem with the desktop-effects manager
[16:17] <ushaba> i'm trying again
[16:17] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: it says it needs XGL, which from what i understood xgl was not needed in hardy
[16:18] <ushaba> got NODHCPOFFERS for a bit
[16:18] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: what video card?
[16:18] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: ok, that's true..but why wouldn't the hardware manager install xgl if it's, ostensibly, needed?
[16:18] <flipstar> bleaked: please but a <glxinfo |grep direct> into a shell to see if drivers installed proper
[16:18] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: radeon 9600
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: you should be able to use the free ati drivers with that IIRC.
[16:20] <flipstar> btw i have some trouble with the service manager (it say's module can't be found..) what ca i do ?
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> do the free drivers do 3D acceleration these days?
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> and please do what flipstar reccomends.
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> SlimeyPete: on certain cards, yes
[16:20] <floodis> any solutions for the sound problem yet?
[16:20] <Bhaal> kubuntu hardy torrent link anyone?
[16:20] <flipstar> Bhaal: http://www.acc.umu.se/~mighty/ubuntu/
[16:21] <Tecumseh> could someone here help me get the sound back to work? Here's some info about the soundchip I have: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64377/
[16:21] <Odd-rationale> Bhaal: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[16:22] <Bhaal> Odd-rationale: Thanks
[16:22] <Tecumseh> floodis: Thankfully I don't appear to be the only one having this problem
[16:23] <ushaba> i'm getting an error saying that there is already a dhclient.pid with pid XXXXXXXX
[16:23] <BluesKaj> sandro,, genii is correct , patience is the thing right now , with literally thousands of downloaders like yourself is creating very slow access to the servers
[16:23] <ushaba> any idea what that means?
[16:23] <floodis> Tecumseh: yea, I feel the same.
[16:23] <jacalope> hi all.  The only shortcut i seem to have in kde4 (hardy) is ctrl-f12 for dashboard... everything else is gone.... is this expected?
[16:24] <flipstar> ushaba: means it already is running
[16:24] <flipstar> floodis: what the problem ?
[16:24] <ushaba> hmm, i killed the dhclient process
[16:24] <ushaba> and it's still giving me the error
[16:24] <ushaba> it's in var though
[16:24] <ushaba> should i just delete the file from /var/run?
[16:24] <trait> hi
[16:24] <Tecumseh> flipstar: probably the same problem I have, there is no sound at all
[16:24] <floodis> flipstar: Same as everybody else. After the upgrade there is no sound on my computer
[16:25] <trait> does anyone know how to run kdesudo in hardy?
[16:25] <BluesKaj> SlimeyPete, the deafult restricted ati drivers do 3D and DRI out of the box , yes.
[16:25] <Dr_willis> trait, type 'kdesudo' ?
[16:25] <Tecumseh> 1 difference between me and floodis, I did a clean install and he apparantly did an upgrade
[16:25] <bleaked> trait: isn't it just kdesu
[16:25] <flipstar> floodis: Tecumseh that are probably issues with the intelhda ..
[16:25] <Dr_willis> I was thinking kde4 had kdesudo
[16:26] <flipstar> !intelhda | Tecumseh floodis
[16:26] <ubotu> Tecumseh floodis: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[16:26] <ushaba> i keep getting no offers
[16:26] <genii> ushaba: When you don't use the shutdown script/method and just "kill <name>" it doesn't clean up the stale pid files and so on
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> ubotu: yes, you can delete the file
[16:26] <ushaba> ok
[16:26] <flipstar> floodis: you also have an intelhda, right ?
[16:26] <colinksl> hi
[16:26] <ushaba> i removed the things from var
[16:26] <floodis> flipstar: yes
[16:26] <Odd-rationale> wrong person...
[16:26] <colinksl> any advise before i install kde4?
[16:26] <flipstar> floodis: okay..then look at the link
[16:27] <ushaba> how is var different from proc if it has this thing in it?
[16:27] <floodis> okay, thanks will look at it.
[16:27] <flipstar> Tecumseh: maybe look on the nvidia website for dedicated hda drivers or so
[16:28] <Tecumseh> thx flipstar, but this is for ubuntu 6.06. The sound worked perfectly with both Feisty and Gutsy. Don't think it's the idea that new users with the newest version have to start compiling kernels and alsa...?
[16:29] <flipstar> no kernel..only alsa but you except every other things ?
[16:29] <genii> ushaba: Because /var is a static fs, /proc is dynamic and has it's own fs    /proc is for system processes in (perhaps) realtime. /var is for system variables which are altered by the processes or scripts which use them
[16:30] <ushaba> no working leases every time
[16:30] <ushaba> not sure what that means
[16:30] <Tecumseh> sorry flipstar, can you refrase because I don't understand your last line
[16:30] <ushaba> ok
[16:30] <trait> by typing kdesudo, the password is requiered, then: error- command not found
[16:31] <flipstar> Tecumseh: did you exclude all other potential error sources? like volume down in alsamixer or so
[16:31] <Tecumseh> yep, I did turn the master and pcm volume up to full and still no sound
[16:31] <ushaba> what does "no DHCPOFFERS received" plus No working leases in persistent database - sleeping" mean?
[16:31] <floodis> me too
[16:31] <Tecumseh> even checked the cables
[16:31] <ushaba> does that mean it can't find the network
[16:31] <ushaba> or that the network is not accepting the connection?
[16:31] <sandro> genii: im not downloading anymore it has been installing chillispot for over an hour and i started the upgrade midnight last night
[16:32] <Tecumseh> Also tried to set the timing to 1 second, a suggestion I found on the ubuntu-forum
[16:32] <jacalope> did i somehow clobber them w/o knowing? the shortcuts i mean
[16:32] <flipstar> a friend of mine just installed yesterday..and after the guide the intelhda worked great..
[16:32] <bleaked> nonewmsgs: so my pc keeps locking up everytime i try to launch compiz.. what was the command you wanted me to try to test my drivers?
[16:34] <hdevalence> what's the command to fix the lock after adept crashes?
[16:34] <flipstar> bleaked: <glxinfo |grep direct> ?
[16:34] <SlimeyPete> bleaked: did you mean to address that to nosrednaekim?
[16:34] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix | hdevalence
[16:34] <ubotu> hdevalence: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:36] <bleaked> SlimeyPete: yes, indeed
[16:36] <bleaked> excitatory@nihilo:(~) $ glxinfo |grep direct
[16:36] <bleaked> direct rendering: Yes
[16:36] <bleaked> i'm pretty sure my drivers are working
[16:37] <bleaked> idk why when i start compiz, it fails.  in teh console it informs me it cannot find xgl.. but as i thought i understood it, xgl is completely unnecessary in hardy
[16:38] <flipstar> bleaked: this is probably not the only message
[16:38] <Elda> Hello
[16:38] <bleaked> flipstar: what do you recommend?
[16:39] <Elda> Compiz scared me in Ubuntu 7.04 ... I don't want to try the 8.04 in KDE as I don't want to bork/glitch my install :s
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> I'm certain that I still need XGL if Compiz is ever going to work on this system
[16:40] <bleaked> seek compiz has worked excellent for me since dapper (then i used beryl)
[16:40] <ushaba> i'm getting a bunch of errors whenever i try to use dhclient
[16:40] <SlimeyPete> because DRI isn't working with AIGLX.
[16:40] <bleaked> SlimeyPete: how do you test for dri?
[16:40] <ushaba> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801; SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied; SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied; SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permissions denied;
[16:40] <bleaked> glxinfo |grep direct ?
[16:41] <ushaba> any ideas on what these mean?
[16:41] <Elda> do sudo
[16:41] <Elda> as you dont have teh "access" to do it
[16:41] <Elda> sudo and the command will give you admin priviledges tack onto the command
[16:43] <Elda> Konvesation has bookmarks? >.>
[16:44] <Elda> brb... connecting hopefully on my school's network >.>
[16:45] <Elda> Now Im connected through some random connection
[16:49] <flipstar> heeeeeeeeelp kde-systemsettings doesn't work :/
[16:50] <flipstar> it says module not found and > http://pastebin.com/m14fd057b
[16:51] <flipstar> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/rc.d/rc0.d'
[16:51] <deviantintegral> 2 questions: If I upgrade from Kubuntu 7.04 to 8.10 via adept, do I get kde 3 or kde 4? Is it still possible to have both KDE's in 8.04?
[16:51] <flipstar> i reinstalled kde-systemsettings, reconfigure kde-guidiance..what else can i try ?
[16:51] <flipstar> deviantintegral: kde3 and yes
[16:52] <deviantintegral> flipstar: thanks. And I assume there's no simple way to go from kde3 / 7.10 to kde 4 / 8.04 all at once, that you have to upgrade and then remove kde4?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> remove? you mean install?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> I keep kde3 and 4 both on my box. kde4 is lacking some features/tools of kde3
[16:55] <BluesKaj> deviantintegral, theres a mixed kubuntu eith kde4 asthe desktop on the download site
[16:55] <deviantintegral> sorry, meant remove kde3
[16:55] <halcyonCorsair> hey, how can i control where my hard disks are mounted?
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I would not suggest removing kde3 -  Untill you have tried kde4 for some time. :) i find kde4.. well.. not all the way done.
[16:56] <Dr_willis> halcyonCorsair,  you mean removeable usb disks? or internal disks?
[16:56] <genii> Hi Dr_willis :)
[16:56] <halcyonCorsair> Dr_willis: internal disks
[16:56] <deviantintegral> yeah, i imagined that you could upgrade with the CD's going straight from kde3-kde4, but I didn't see anything about how to do that with adept
[16:56] <guaqua> "sudo vi /etc/fstab" or go to system settings>advanced>disks&filesystems
[16:56] <halcyonCorsair> Dr_willis: and a usb hdd
[16:56] <Dr_willis> halcyonCorsair,  thats defined in the /etc/fstab file
[16:56] <guaqua> and click, click, click
[16:57] <Dr_willis> usb/removeble - is -- well not sure where thats defined at. :)
[16:57] <flipstar> should i fill a bug with my issue ..?
[16:57] <halcyonCorsair> Dr_willis: they already show up in the media section
[16:57] <deviantintegral> Dr_willis: yeah - this is just for a virtual machine which doesn't do anything important. So disk space > functionality, esp. as I don't use it very much
[16:58] <Dr_willis> usb drives are normally mounted on the fly with what you see in the 'media' thing under the file manager, You could make a fstab entry for them if you wanted and bypass that automounting stuff
[16:59] <flipstar> has anyone else trouble with the systemservices ?
[16:59] <flipstar> (in hardy)
[17:00] <guaqua> works like a charm
[17:01] <BluesKaj> flipstar, good to go here
[17:02] <JoshOvki> flipstar: all working here, although on my first attempt (while it was in beta) i had a bad download which ment things lke   media:\   and  trash:\  didnt work
[17:03] <flipstar> JoshOvki: try media:/ and trash:/ instead
[17:03] <JoshOvki> flipstar: what i ment sorry. too late now, it was a while ago
[17:03] <JoshOvki> anyway i gotta go, things to do, people to see
[17:04] <flipstar> it was just the wrong slash..
[17:04] <JoshOvki> bye bye
[17:12] <hector> q es esto
[17:12] <hector> alguien q hable  español
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> !es | hector
[17:12] <ubotu> hector: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:13] <hector> ok gracias bro
[17:13] <bleaked> so i've been doing a ton of research, and it appears that no one is able to get compiz to work in hardy, despite all of these people having no trouble in gutsy..
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ok, what driver bleaked ?
[17:14] <bleaked> BluesKaj: fglrx
[17:14] <lz1gjd> hi, what could be the reason for the quite slow performance kubuntu 8.04 final has on my work laptop (Dell Inspiron 1501). Compared to other distros its reaaalllllyyyy slow ? wtf ?
[17:14] <bleaked> BluesKaj: the ati driver did not work either
[17:14] <BluesKaj> not the restricted default ?
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: did you try asking in #compiz-fusion?
[17:17] <CrocoJet> I made install of kubuntu 8.04 (kde4) but I cant find interface to set up eth0
[17:17] <x-X-x> which do u recommend 1: kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix 2: kubuntu 8.04
[17:17] <phoenix3051> Is there an easy way to (automatically) stop apt (and friends) from updating the kernel package?
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: you mean the network settings manager?
[17:17] <CrocoJet> do i need use "ifconfig" in terminal mode  ?
[17:17] <CrocoJet> yes
[17:17] <x-X-x> do u recommend kde 4?
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: do you get your IP address by DHcp or static?
[17:18] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, static
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: its better to install the kde3 version and then get kde4
[17:18] <CrocoJet> I cant find GUI to setup
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: right. ok. let me fid a link.
[17:18] <CrocoJet> ok
[17:18] <CrocoJet> (thanks)
[17:19] <bleaked> nosrednaekim: well, does the fglrx driver in hardy need xgl.. there seems to be a bit of a controversy over this in the forums..all devs post no, but compiz will not launch saying that xgl is not present.. (i hate xgl, so i hope it's not needed)
[17:19] <CrocoJet> sounds that I need use ifconfig, right ?
[17:19] <ferran_> :)
[17:19] <fonce> hi
[17:20] <CrocoJet> other question, exist difference of version kubuntu in "CD" and "DVD" ?
[17:20] <fonce> germen or english channel?
[17:20] <x-X-x> nosrednaekin what u mean ?? will it overwrite kde3 ?
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> bleaked: it should not be neccesary, no
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: no, it will not, it installs along side
[17:20] <fonce> how can I mount an iso image? are there some GUI Tools for KDE?
[17:21] <x-X-x> nosrednaekin thnx man u rock
[17:21] <CrocoJet> in KDE 4, for update, do I need use command "apt-get update" ?
[17:21] <CrocoJet> or exist some type GUI for that
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: http://pastebin.com/d2e777bb2 <-- there is a good example of what your /etc/network/interfaces file should look like
[17:22] <CrocoJet> let me see .. thanks
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: if adept isn't there, yeah, you can do that fromt he command line (or install adept)
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: of course, most of those IP's will have to be changed
[17:22] <CrocoJet> I think that CD version is not much complete (basic)
[17:23] <BluesKaj> CrocoJet, the dvd contains most pkges , whereas the cd is the OS and desktop with some default apps ...the dvd is recommended for users not using the pkg repositories on the internet
[17:23] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[17:23] <x-X-x> is 64bit hardy heron stable ?
[17:24] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: yes
[17:24] <jdwatson> asup
[17:24] <BluesKaj> x-X-x, it won't make much diff unless you have loads of memory, like 4G
[17:24] <Odd-rationale> Wasn't the kubuntu site going to get a make over??
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> Odd-rationale: its coming
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> I remember there was a competition for a new site design...
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> even xubuntu.org looks better than ours... :(
[17:26] <jdwatson> Wow...ff 3 beta 5...weirdness
[17:26] <BluesKaj> jdwatson, it's fast tho
[17:27] <Kubuntiac> BluesKaj: Really? Mine still hogs memory like it's FF2 and eats processor cycles for breakfast :(
[17:28] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know if it's possible to install FF2 alongside FF3 in Hardy?
[17:28] <Kubuntiac> Not sure, but I think FF3 wiped over my FF2
[17:28] <aaroncampbell> I love FF3, but my Zend Debug Plugin and firebug don't work with it
[17:28] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntiac: it did for me
[17:29] <Lynoure> Kubuntiac, aaroncampbell: unlikely
[17:29] <x-X-x> bluesKaj creative released a linux driver for x-fi cards and it only works for 64bit systems
[17:29] <Lynoure> Kubuntiac, aaroncampbell: ff2 just won't start when ff3 is running and the other way around
[17:29] <Lynoure> Easily feels like one has wiped the other
[17:29] <Kubuntiac> Ahh... ok
[17:30] <Kubuntiac> I avoid FF2 if I can anyway. Can't wait for Webkit in Konqueror
[17:30] <aaroncampbell> Lynoure: ok, so I closed firefox completely, how can I open FF2?
[17:30] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: firefox-2  should do it
[17:30] <Odd-rationale> Kubuntiac: I think that is being work on in GSoC!!
[17:30] <aaroncampbell> Lynoure: no such command
[17:31] <Kubuntiac> In GSoC? I thought it was announced before that...
[17:31] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: interesting, but package firefox-2 is installed?
[17:31] <x-X-x> anyone got  a official torrent of hardy ?
[17:31] <x-X-x> link ?
[17:32] <aaroncampbell> Lynoure: I don't know, that was the question, I had FF2, then upgraded to hardy, and now it seems gone
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> BTW, if you install flock, you can have both ff2 and ff3
[17:32] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: I upgraded when hardy was entering beta, so I guess the upgrade might have changed to upgrade ff2 users to ff3
[17:32] <Lynoure> aaroncampbell: I have both still
[17:32] <Kubuntiac> xXx: Would be cool if Canonical would let people who agreed to seed new releases FTP the day before release... :)
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> x-X-x: http://hobbsee.com/tmp
[17:34] <rohan> anyone got the problem of sound not working after install? my sound was working great from the livecd
[17:35] <Kubuntiac> Works fine for me on Hardy Remix
[17:35] <phoenix3051> Is there an easy way to (automatically) stop apt (and friends) from updating the kernel package on kubuntu 8.04?
[17:36] <genii> rohan: What does:    lspci | grep Audio                  report as soundcard make/model ?
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> rohan: what sound chip?
[17:36] <Kubuntiac> phoenix: Keep your PC locked? ;-)
[17:36] <x-X-x> lmao 1.4mb/s hardy torrent
[17:36] <rohan> genii: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> phoenix3051: google "locking packages"
[17:36] <rohan> nosrednaekim: ^^^
[17:36] <_Lemon_> I have a problem, I've replaced the buggy rt2x00 drivers with a daily rt2500 cvs from the rt2x00 site because the drivers that shipped with Kubuntu won't go above 1mb/s with the wireless. The rt2500 are working fine (as you can see...) however the KNetworkManager can't seem to use the new ra0 interface and as a result certain K applications can't seem to connect to the Internet (Konversation seems to be the exception),
[17:36] <_Lemon_> including Firefox 3. Why is this? How can I sort this out while using the rt2500 drivers?
[17:36] <phoenix3051> Kubuntiac: Possibly  :)
[17:37] <rohan> genii: it's a known problem?
[17:37] <genii> !intelhda | rohan
[17:37] <ubotu> rohan: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:37] <rohan> i checked alsamixer and i've turned the volume all the way up
[17:37] <genii> rohan: Yes, it's a known problem
[17:37] <phoenix3051> nosrednaekim: thanks
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> _Lemon_: ok, just disable the "network status daemon" in systemsettings->advance->service manager
[17:38] <rohan> genii: err, it worked perfectly on gutsy, and from the livecd. that page you linked to, has no specific instructions for hardy
[17:38] <genii> rohan: The instructions are exactly the same for gutsy or hardy in that regard (with name changes)
[17:39] <rohan> genii: but why should i need to recompile and install newer drivers? the ones included with hardy don't work fine?
[17:40] <_Lemon_> nosrednaekim: Still doesn't seem to work, Pidgin still says 'waiting for internet connection' and Firefox3 claims it's in offline mode :/
[17:40] <genii> rohan: A to Q1: You should recompile and install the new drivers because your card will wok properly afetrwards       A to Q2: No, they don't
[17:41] <rance> hey all, I just did the upgrade to 8.04 and things are looking pretty swell, Im remoting to the box and looking at the desktop via VNC (tunneled through SSH, of course) but the clean up of old packages uninstalled vmware-server and vmware-kernel-modules for the gutsy kernel package, how likely is is that packages will get updated for 8.04
[17:41] <rohan> genii: where can i read more about this hardy problem? will it be fixed in a newer kernel release?
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> rance: singe it is a LTS, very likely
[17:42] <rance> any idea when?  I hate to be pushy but I didnt think they wouldnt be there already
[17:42] <JackWinter> where do i specify which alsa device kde and amarok should use ?
[17:42] <JackWinter> i have 2 devices, hw0 and hw1
[17:42] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, how to set up dns ?
[17:43] <CrocoJet> I need setup dns primary and secondary
[17:43] <CrocoJet> hard to believe that KDE do not have one GUI interface for that !!!
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: that would be in your /etc/resolv.conf
[17:44] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: there is.... but you need netowrk in order to grab it ;)
[17:44] <rohan> genii: and more surprising, how come it worked on the livecd?
[17:44] <CrocoJet> whats name package ?
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> knetworkconf-kde4
[17:45] <genii> rohan: The sound output part works off livecd but if you had checked your microphone you would have found it inoperative.
[17:46] <rohan> genii: aha ok.. so, will it be fixed in a new kernel release in hardy-updates? in that case, i needn't go through the whole pain of compiling it :)
[17:47] <genii> rohan: And to answer earlier Q, it is not something which is some kernel issue, that is why it exists on Dapper->Hardy   It is an issue regarding the defaults which are compiled into the alsa driver to accept as broad a range of cards as possible
[17:47] <rohan> genii: it's a clean install from livecd :)

[17:47] <rohan> so, it's not a "problem", and it won't be fixed unless i actually compile it myself?
[17:48] <genii> rohan: Basically the short answer to that is "Yes"
[17:48] <rohan> and the long answer is?
[17:48] <lz1gjd> hi, what could be the reason for the quite slow performance kubuntu 8.04 final has on my work laptop (Dell Inspiron 1501). Compared to other distros its reaaalllllyyyy slow ? wtf ?
[17:48] <genii> rohan: That hopefully soon someone will package a deb for intel hda cards specifically and then the issue will no longer exists
[17:48] <nosrednaekim> lz1gjd: whats your Ram usage?
[17:48] <guaqua> lz1gjd: what do you mean by slow?
[17:49] <guaqua> slow as in starting, unresponsive to mouse movements?
[17:49] <rohan> genii: i still don't understand where exactly the problem is, and why it works off the livecd. could you point to me someplace, e.g. where the bug is filed?
[17:49] <lz1gjd> not much responsive to mouse movements, slow drawing of windows although proper driver is installed
[17:49] <rohan> genii: sorry if i'm bothering you too much, but this is intriguing
[17:49] <lz1gjd> compared to the earlier release its slower, i do not have an idea why
[17:50] <lz1gjd> i have one gig on the lappie, ram is not an issue i believe
[17:50] <Kubuntiac> My laptop runs fine with 1ghz 512mb ram (Hardy Remix)
[17:51] <guaqua> lz1gjd: what does top show?
[17:52] <lz1gjd> well unfortunately i left it at work, and cant check this now, but I remember I monitored it and it was fine something like occasional 5-6% usage on both cores, which is normal i suppose. The cpu is a turion x2 x64 btw
[17:52] <backtick> lz1gjd: might be a hard disk problem, try scanning it with vendor tools
[17:52] <lz1gjd> it works fine with windows, and pclinux os which was previously installed
[17:53] <jackault> I can't seem to find the minimum requirements for the kde remix of 8.04, what are they?
[17:53] <jackault> *kde 4 remix
[17:53] <lz1gjd> video is a integrated radeon x1150 i think
[17:53] <genii> rohan: Since it's not a bug there isn't any url with some bug report to give you :) The more exact issue is: The ubuntu binary which gets installed by default with *buntu has not been made with intel-specific switches when it was made. This is because it's compiled to make it work on as many different cards as it's possible to do. the "--with-cards=hda-intel" switch of compiling into also from source pre-empts some other common cards
[17:53] <genii> from working. So it's the lesser of two evils basically.
[17:54] <guaqua> jackault: a supported graphics card?
[17:54] <guaqua> doesn't require that much
[17:54] <jackault> Ah, could you link me to a page that has that info?
[17:54] <backtick> so i have an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, it's not blinking and I get that error i system log "iwl3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008", some guy over at #ubuntu told me he has the same model and it's running fine......
[17:54] <rohan> genii: that explains it. thanks for the explanation ;:)
[17:54] <jackault> I suspect I'm going to be straning my old gfx card
[17:54] <genii> rohan: np
[17:55] <guaqua> well, why not just try?
[17:55] <guaqua> can you get 3d acceleration working on kde3?
[17:56] <jackault> because I'm downloading the remix cd right now and if this fails I'll have to wait till tomorrow to get kde 3 working again
[17:56] <guaqua> why?
[17:56] <guaqua> you can have both at the same time
[17:56] <jackault> bandwidth limits. And I'm not sure what in kde3 requires 3d accleration
[17:56] <lz1gjd> although on my home desktop pc which is a c2d at 3ghz with 4gigs of ram with x800gto prie it works ok with some freezes once in a while
[17:56] <guaqua> just install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[17:56] <guaqua> hmm
[17:57] <lz1gjd> but i guess the open source driver that comes preinstalled with 8.04 could be the one causing the freezes.
[17:57] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, created file /etc/resolv.conf with
[17:58] <CrocoJet> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:58] <CrocoJet> but it is not working
[17:58] <CrocoJet> I can ping local network
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> ok, now you need to do a "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[17:58] <CrocoJet> ok let me try
[18:01] <jackault> hmm, I've got an install kubuntu 7.10, can I use the kde 4 remix of 8.04 to upgrade it?
[18:01] <jackault> *install of
[18:01] <rohan> genii: just one last question -- why did it work on the livecd, then?
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> jackault: no.
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> jackault: at least, I don't think so
[18:02] <rohan> anyone noticed that changing the size of icons in dolphine doesn't work? or is it just a bug on my system?
[18:03] <jackault> nosrednaekim: Ah, I'll just play it safe and get the normal one first then. I've had enough trouble with upgrades as it is.
[18:03] <x-X-x> i am going to wash my hard drive but i have large files on it and i dont have an external harddrive i can move them too. is there a way i can upload lots of large files temporarily (1 day) so i can be able to washt he hd and then redownload my files ??
[18:03] <CrocoJet> back
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: fixed?
[18:03] <rohan> infact, changing the preferences in d3lphin doesn't work at all
[18:03] <CrocoJet> nosrednaekim, no success .. came message:
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: you can't ping your local network?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> that maens you must have something set wrong in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:04] <genii> rohan: I'm finding with hardy livecd the sound output worked but microphone did not. I think it is related to the kernel drivers which are loaded in the initramfs prior to actual booting
[18:04] <CrocoJet> "SIOCARDRT: no such process
[18:04] <CrocoJet> Failed to bring up eth0
[18:04] <genii> rohan: Eg: The ramdisk drivers on the livecd are different than the drivers which get installed
[18:04] <genii> Work requires me, AFK
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> CrocoJet: try running "sudo if-up eth0"
[18:05] <CrocoJet> what pain in the ass that !! why do they not put knetworkconf-kde4 in CD install
[18:05] <CrocoJet> let me try
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> they really should...
[18:05] <[ifr0g]> How to convert to pdf ?
[18:05] <[ifr0g]> a jpeg file..
[18:06] <lz1gjd> how do you remove kde4 once you install it via apt-get ?
[18:06] <lz1gjd> seems like removing kde4 and then issuing an apt-get autoremove command left me with some kde4 packages
[18:06] <floodis> flipstar: I got the sound working. But that tutorial was not entirely right. Just compile the alsa-driver with ./configure. And dont do the utils and the lib. This should work.
[18:07] <lz1gjd> also smplayer is built against qt4 (kde4?) i want it my kde3 version back :)
[18:10] <deamoon> hi guys can any help me to install usb wireles adptor plz help me
[18:11] <ushaba> thanks for your help guys
[18:11] <deamoon> beslkin
[18:11] <ushaba> i'll finish this tomorrow morning when i'm a bit more patient
[18:11] <ushaba> haha
[18:11] <deamoon> belkin
[18:11] <ushaba> adios
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | deamoon
[18:11] <ubotu> deamoon: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[18:11] <deamoon> ok ty
[18:12] <JackWinter> anyone know how i can setup 2:nd life to use the arts server?
[18:12] <dystopianray> JackWinter: try running it through artsdsp
[18:17] <p28301016> hi someone having probles with fstab
[18:23] <Bauldrick> does anyone else have issues with hardy detecting monitors as P&P and getting resolution wrong?
[18:24] <lz1gjd> how do i install the kde3 version of smplayer instead of the kde4 one ?
[18:24] <Lynoure> Bauldrick: not me, but seen about 3 people with that here today
[18:24] <melkart> when i add ktorrent to the quickstart-menu in kicker, it doesnt get shown. every other app does get shown, but not ktorrent
[18:24] <lz1gjd> after removing kde4 now smplayer uses qt4 and since skinning doesnt work now
[18:25] <Bauldrick> happened on 2 of 3 pcs I upgraded
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> lz1gjd: I assume you'll have to compile it yourself
[18:25] <lz1gjd> ? why it used to work properly prior the installation of kde4 packages ?
[18:25] <lz1gjd> weird
[18:26] <Bauldrick> the 1 pc it did'nt happen to has been running hardy for a month <>
[18:26] <combo> hello, is this possible to install AIGLX on ATI Radeon 9600 (kub-7.10) ?
[18:27] <dystopianray> combo: you'll need newer drivers than what 7.10 provides
[18:27] <JackWinter> dystopianray: what is artsdsp?
[18:27] <dystopianray> combo: 8.04 has new enough drivers
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> combo: well, AIGLX is installed, but using it is a different issue, and i've seen about 3 people come by witht hat card not be able to get it working
[18:27] <JackWinter> !artsdsp?
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsdsp? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <JackWinter> !artsdsp
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsdsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <dystopianray> JackWinter: it puts a programs audio output through arts
[18:27] <JackWinter> is it a device ?
[18:27] <dystopianray> it's a program
[18:28] <dystopianray> artsdsp blah
[18:28] <dystopianray> where blah is the binary to run
[18:28] <combo> dystopianray: is that 8.04 stable? this is KDE version of course? :))
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> combo: yes, 8.04 was released yesterday
[18:29] <dystopianray> combo: 8.04 was released on april 24
[18:29] <JackWinter> ok, and it takes what system as input? esd, oss, alsa ?
[18:29] <combo> nosrednaekim: ok :)
[18:29] <dystopianray> JackWinter: i'm not really sure, probably oss
[18:29] <dystopianray> JackWinter: maybe alsa, I don't know
[18:29] <JackWinter> dystopianray: thanks
[18:29] <combo> dystopianray & nosrednaekim, thanks for answers :)
[18:39] <dave11> i had my first bad burn of the ubuntu live dvd burn( killed 2 dvd's) on 8.04 plus theres over 1500 people in the ubuntu chat
[18:42] <trait> can anybody tell, was this output of alsamixer means:
[18:42] <trait> ALSA lib simple_none.c:1741:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[18:44] <dave11> i said i havent seen very many "works great" messages and three people said works great
[18:44] <aaroncampbell> Since my upgrade to hardy, my sound stopped working.  Can anyone point me to a starting point to try to figure it out?
[18:45] <trait> is it the same problem i have, aaroncampbell
[18:45] <trait> ??
[18:45] <aaroncampbell> trait: what problem do you have?
[18:45] <trait> the alsamixer doesnot work
[18:46] <trait> i have sound on my notebook, but its very quiet
 can anybody tell, was this output of alsamixer means:
 ALSA lib simple_none.c:1741:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Headphone Playback Switch',0,2,0) appears twice or more
[18:46] <flipstar> aaroncampbell: it's probably a intelhda card ?
[18:46] <trait> mine is one, flipstar