[03:47] <holycow> i don't see why ubuntu cannot offer 'commercial' packages.  if you want to play dvd's, buy a player that has the licenced codecs.
[03:47] <black_nightmare> any of you play freeciv? :">
[03:47] <caffinated> gratuit: and all they have to do is stick in that cd, and bam.  they're playing DVDs in under 2 minutes.
[03:47] <lewwy> and whats more, my stupid nForce drivers wont see my kernel source
[03:47] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i did for a while...awesome game
[03:47] <holycow> linspire i think infact has just this based on xine, for those that want to stay legit thats the way to go
[03:48] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: I think resolving issue 1 is easier, because for issue 1 you can make your easy installers with nice click-through license agreements that say "agree to the divx license" etc, issue 2 is harder
[03:48] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i only ever played against the AI though. it was hard enough :)
[03:48] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: yeah, so do that and do what i just said for issue 2 (sorry, i don't know what packages ubuntu uses)
[03:48] <revelater> anyone know how to temporarily turn off 2 screen support?
[03:48] <lewwy> guys, whats the defeault kernel hoary comes with
[03:48] <EvilSporkMan> i.e. a gui for dpkg or whatever the equivalent is
[03:48] <caffinated> gratuit: so, the argument is not "it should ship with the OS", it's "it should be made easily available to the OS"
[03:48] <black_nightmare> well..how about you and me subterrifc? :p
[03:48] <calc> Arnia: isn't grokster concerned with assisting with the transfer of content rather than the storage of said content?
[03:48] <subterrific> lewwy: 2.6.10 w/ patches
[03:49] <calc> hmm actually no it is more murky than that
[03:49] <calc> since they were using ipod references in it
[03:49] <lewwy> so if i get kernel sources i should be right for a nforce driver module compile?
[03:49] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i'm at work, about to leave for home
[03:49] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: potentially though, with issue 2, if the supreme court comes down in their favour etc it won't be legal to provide any kind of access to them
[03:49] <black_nightmare> oh ic ok
[03:49] <DonL> I've still got ten cd's on order. Wonder if they'll be Warty or Hoary?
[03:49] <black_nightmare> oh well :p
[03:50] <subterrific> black_nightmare: maybe if you're still around when i get home
[03:50] <revelater> arghhh!!! help please?
[03:50] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: at that level it's not us. Otherwise windows would have to refuse to run installers for illicit material, which it of course can't be made to do
[03:50] <lewwy> man this sux
[03:50] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i'll have to install it again, its been a while since i played
[03:50] <calc> its a question of things that can be used for infringing purposes, where is the line at which the entity is illegal itself
[03:50] <black_nightmare> subterrific..lol ok...we'll see :p
[03:50] <lewwy> i just wanna play quake 3 and it the stupid sound wont even work
[03:50] <lewwy> i hate to say it...but i never had anywhere NEAR this amount of problems in RedHat, SuSE or Fedora
[03:50] <DonL> I can't seem to get quake 3 working on Ubuntu for some reason.
[03:50] <EvilSporkMan> it's unfortunate to be in a situation where you actually have to worry about copyright
[03:50] <calc> it would be quite hard to argue a non insignificant reason for hard drives to exist is to assist in piracy
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: not really - there's a big difference between the windows world model and the linux notion of a distribution - windows isn't bundled with instructions telling you to go download tv series with bittorrent etc
[03:50] <holycow> calc, the line is defined by the current laws governing patents, copyrigts, etc.
[03:51] <MaRk-I> ggrr this is so frustrating...
[03:51] <holycow> its black and white
[03:51] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: windows - the user has to go fetch - a linux distribution brings it all into the fold
[03:51] <revelater> help?
[03:51] <lewwy> what u need revelater?
[03:51] <MaRk-I> dmesg last line reads:  eth0 no IPv6 routers present.... could that be my problem not being able to connect???
[03:52] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: that's why "ubuntu, inc." is not packaging infringing software. "Some schmuck" can distribute it, and we're not going to be the copyright gestapo and scan everything
[03:52] <lewwy> this nvidia driver better work...
[03:52] <revelater> lewwy, i need to know if i can temporarily diable support for my second monitor (tv)
[03:52] <holycow> EvilSporkMan, i agree with that
[03:52] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: a package is directly analogous to a windows installer
[03:52] <revelater> lewwy, disable
[03:52] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: yep totally agree with you - the issue that's debated at the moment is totally about how much information people can legally give to other people to allow them to find infringing material
[03:52] <fissy> is there anything I should know before I install a kernel manually from kernel.org?
[03:53] <black_nightmare> I think I found one occupied pregame server....we'll see thou :p
[03:53] <DonL> You're braver than me, fissy
[03:53] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: i'd disagree with that.  big differences between a package in windows, and a package in linux.
[03:53] <Ironfrost> Dr_Aevil - Windows doesn't need to give any information to help people download music or movies
[03:53] <Ironfrost> they do it all by themselves
[03:53] <fissy> DonL, :)
[03:53] <moominski> is there any way to install Konqueror again?
[03:53] <caffinated> the biggest one being ease of installation
[03:53] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, the answer is: none
[03:53] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: they're both easy. in windows, you just keep clicking until it installs
[03:54] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: someone best change the wiki then :P
[03:54] <holycow> just tell people: you haveto buy this for this reason
[03:54] <holycow> this is the price
[03:54] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: right, but if a package isn't in your repositories, you have to use apt
[03:54] <holycow> and offer the player with the legal codecs
[03:54] <kbrooks> :O
[03:54] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: that's what i mean :)
[03:54] <lewwy> ARGH
[03:54] <DonL> moominski, did you try sudo apt-get install konqueror?
[03:54] <lewwy> DAMN THE KERNEL SOURCES TO HELL
[03:54] <revelater> lewwy, you aske then leave?
[03:54] <holycow> theres no going around 'oh well you know, do this and get that and then you can 'wink wink' '
[03:54] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: beg pardon? if i want something debian doesn't offer, i just get a .deb from some schmuck and run it through dpkg
[03:54] <moominski> yes
[03:54] <lewwy> revelater i asked a good 5 minutes ago
[03:54] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, lol indeed if the info is on there it should be off
[03:55] <holycow> if people want to find the free stuff they will
[03:55] <moominski> its ok its workin now
[03:55] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: right, but that's not the point.  in windows you can run the installer from a nice interface.  in debian, you need dpkg and a commandline
[03:55] <revelater> lewwy, i may be lagging a bit
[03:55] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: there's a complete guide on how to alter your repositories to get the likes of libdvdcss etc
[03:55] <lewwy> soz revelater
[03:55] <holycow> for joe 6 pack, tell him it costs money, tell him why, and give him the option to buy.
[03:55] <lewwy> revelater: i probably am not much use either, a noob as well
[03:55] <revelater> lewwy, i just need to know if i can disable my second monitor
[03:55] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: the difference is one is intrinsincly easier than the other.  it won't matter to you or i, but it will matter to others.
[03:55] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, ideally that should be moved off of ubuntu proper and onto some fansite
[03:55] <lewwy> revelater: no help there, soz
[03:55] <revelater> lewwy: temporarily
[03:56] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: aren't you arguing that windows is fine on allowing installation of infringing software and packages aren't?
[03:56] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: but, in fairness, the issue is not fully resolved yet, plus they are in S.A
[03:56] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: if that is the case, than we can effing write dpkg-gui
[03:56] <DonL> Dr_Aevil, can you say where that is? I found it once and lost it again
[03:56] <revelater> lewwy, know anyone who could help?
[03:56] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: sure.  so why hasn't anyone? ;)
[03:56] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: i'll get to it as soon as I switch to ubuntu
[03:56] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, sure, but why play the game at all? theres too much at stake
[03:57] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: i'm thinking it would be good to relate the .deb type directly to synaptic in some manner.
[03:57] <gratuit> EvilSporkMan: inm fact someone already has, synaptic made it uber easy for me to install any kind of software I wanted
[03:57] <lewwy> package after package being installed via synaptic...
[03:57] <EvilSporkMan> the nice thing is that linux distros get treated like corporations...we have personal lives and we have official ubuntu work (by we I mean you, I am of course not officially involved with ubuntu)
[03:57] <caffinated> gratuit: but you can't install a .deb that you downloaded directly.
[03:57] <EvilSporkMan> gratuit: synaptic can install .debs?  I tried Mepis over the last couple of days...
[04:00] <holycow> justcompletely stay out of the way of lawyers and cops is very important
[04:00] <revelater> yah, hot lawyers are awsome!!!
[04:01] <Dr_Aevil> well, I think that page is probably ok in most of the world - the real issue is with the U.S. atm which has gone a bit crazy with it's anti-circumvention laws
[04:01] <revelater> hot cops are good too!!!!
[04:01] <lewwy> this is CRAZY
[04:01] <DonL> Came to the conclusion KDE makes it really slow, and the fonts in the browser are ugly, and not adjustable
[04:01] <lewwy> quake3 doesnt work NO MATTER WHAT THE HELL I DO
[04:01] <lewwy> apart from sound disabling
[04:01] <lewwy> but that sux, i want sound
[04:01] <smouche> is Gnome an acronym for
[04:01] <smouche> "Gui Not Offering Menu Editor" ?
[04:01] <Dr_Aevil> smouche: hehe
[04:01] <EvilSporkMan> it might be a good idea for distros to become non-profit corporations so you actually have the legal insulation you think you do
[04:01] <Gigs37> smouche, you already said that one
[04:01] <caffinated> lewwy: thanks.  but we're not causing your problem.  please don't yell at us ;)
[04:01] <revelater> just screw quake 3 its an old program anyway...
[04:01] <lewwy> so frustrated!
[04:02] <revelater> get UT!!!
[04:02] <smouche> yeah, Gigs37, but not in here... ;-)
[04:02] <lewwy> yeh, no newer ones
[04:02] <lewwy> i dont have it
[04:02] <DonL> Yeah. My kid always beats me on Quake anyway
[04:02] <lewwy> i've got ut03
[04:02] <EvilSporkMan> revelater: if sound doesn't work from command-line it won't work in games
[04:02] <lewwy> but, CD1 is scratched
[04:02] <Arnia> smouche: applications:///
[04:02] <Arnia> In nautilus
[04:02] <revelater> lewwy, the 2004 series should be cheaper now, maybe 30 bucks
[04:02] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: I play ut2k4, COD, WoW, DoD, WC3 atm in linux, some of that using cedega
[04:02] <Arnia> Dr_Aevil: isn't Canonical Ltd registered in the Isle of Man. That isn't in the EU interestingly
[04:03] <EvilSporkMan> I honestly found desktop environments difficult to use <_< >_>
[04:03] <moominski> any of you guys know a good website on howto install .tar.gz files
[04:03] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: really? hehe, I didn't even know that much - I assumed they were registered in S.A.
[04:03] <haha> You know the partition resize for linux? I resize the ntfs partition size
[04:03] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: tar zxf foo.tar.gz; cd foo/ ; less README; ./configure; make; su; make install
[04:03] <fissy> interesting that the socially reponsible ubuntu chooses to set up in a tax haven
[04:03] <revelater> Dr_Aevil, whats DoD and COD?
[04:03] <EvilSporkMan> or is that sudo make install?
[04:04] <Arnia> Dr_Aevil: And the first Canonical Conference was held in Oxford
[04:04] <DonL> moominski, Linuxformat magazine has a how - to on that
[04:04] <Dr_Aevil> revelater: Day of Defeat, WWII HL mod, Call of Duty - WW2 FPS game
[04:04] <moominski> have u got a link??
[04:04] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: google.com
[04:04] <Dr_Aevil> fissy: ;-P
[04:05] <Arnia> fissy: perhaps its for the legal reasons... I'll ask my friend (from IoM) what company law is like there
[04:05] <lewwy> Call of Duty on linux?
[04:05] <DonL> I just keep an old magazine by the computer and refer to it
[04:05] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: yeah, with cedega - be warned we have punkbuster problems atm with cedega
[04:05] <lewwy> cedega *shudder*
[04:05] <lewwy> cedega doesnt work
[04:05] <lewwy> all i ever get is errors
[04:05] <lewwy> havent played one game yet
[04:05] <lewwy> even HL1
[04:05] <Dr_Aevil> :) I'm astonished at how far they've come
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: that's surprising, I don't have trouble playing WoW in direct 3d mode
[04:06] <DonL> I'm off to check out some new repositories (carefully). Thanks for the chat, folks
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> bye bye
[04:06] <lewwy> Dr_Aevil: where did u buy cedega from?
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: I subscribe to www.transgaming.com
[04:06] <lewwy> Dr_Aevil: ...if u bought it
[04:06] <lewwy> cedega is a weird thing
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> since 2002 in fact
[04:06] <moominski> DonL: Linuxformat magazine is down
[04:07] <moominski> any others
[04:07] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: what are you trying to install?
[04:07] <lewwy> i mean, getting the source to a FREE program, modifying it, and then charging money for it
[04:07] <lewwy> ...its not right
[04:07] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: Wine license allowed it
[04:07] <lewwy> yeh but still
[04:07] <moominski> i just cant install anytype of tar file
[04:07] <EvilSporkMan> ever heard of the BSD license?
[04:08] <lewwy> i'
[04:08] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: they're just archives, like .zip
[04:08] <lewwy> i'll see how much it costs...
[04:08] <Dr_Aevil> for the small amount of money a sub costs you get full time developers working on it, and you get to vote on what they work on :)
[04:08] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: it's prohibitively expensive
[04:08] <lewwy> fsck that
[04:08] <EvilSporkMan> $5 per month
[04:08] <haha> xi
[04:08] <lewwy> not paying 5 bucks a month
[04:08] <moominski> EvilSporkMan: wot about rpms
[04:08] <Arnia> hm
[04:08] <Dr_Aevil> I costs $5 bucks to sneeze over here in the UK :)
[04:09] <lewwy> hey Dr_Aevil
[04:09] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: those are packages. you're trying to install cedega, aren't you
[04:09] <lewwy> how big is cedega
[04:09] <lewwy> 7mb?
[04:09] <Arnia> $5 = 2.50 atm roughly?
[04:09] <i3dmaster> Does anyone know how to exclude some packages from apt?
[04:09] <moominski> no wots cedega?? plz tell
[04:09] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: never mind
[04:09] <lewwy> www.transgaming.com
[04:09] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: the .deb is 7.3MB
[04:09] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me where to get a2ps (Postscript convertor) installed on the system? i tried looking for it in the Synaptic Package Manager could not find it there...
[04:10] <lewwy> Dr_Aevil: sendy sendy!
[04:10] <hyphenated> Arnia: roughly, yes (according to xe.com)
[04:10] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: look into alien, it's a program to convert rpms to .debs. however, you're better off looking for the ubuntu package for whatever you're trying to install
[04:10] <Arnia> For 2.50 I can get a sandwich and four sausage rolls from Peters Bakery... 5 pints of Diet Coke... two pints of beer...
[04:10] <Arnia> A six inch subway
[04:10] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: I think about 2.70
[04:10] <Arnia> EvilSporkMan: ?
[04:10] <moominski> ahh ok so i need abunto specific
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> Arnia: so how much does gas cost you blokes? =P
[04:11] <moominski> or deb
[04:11] <holycow> when i add a server to places .... how do i remove it ( i made a mistake and its not connecting )?  right clicking seems to be disabled in the places/applications/systems menues
[04:11] <lewwy> 85c a litre here
[04:11] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: about 85p a litre
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: i think ubuntu uses debs, i'm not sure
[04:11] <lewwy> hah pwnage
[04:11] <lewwy> its cheaper here
[04:11] <Arnia> EvilSporkMan: I don't care, I don't drive
[04:11] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me where to get a2ps (Postscript convertor) installed on the system? i tried looking for it in the Synaptic Package Manager could not find it there...
[04:11] <Dr_Aevil> we pay huge taxes on fuel
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: that's like $3.40 / gallon @_@
[04:11] <Arnia> And its gonna run out soon anyway, and then I'm dead
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> ouch
[04:11] <lewwy> aus
[04:11] <lewwy> australian
[04:12] <lewwy> 75c to the US
[04:12] <bet0x> i will be daddy!
[04:12] <bet0x> :D
[04:12] <bet0x> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[04:12] <lewwy> 25c to the pound
[04:12] <EvilSporkMan> I wish I lived somewhere with public transportation...the detroit area is not the best place to live with these gas prices
[04:12] <lewwy> i AM the daddy! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[04:12] <bet0x> im daddy too
[04:12] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: 2.70? that'd get me a sandwich prob
[04:12] <bet0x> but this my second
[04:12] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: not even a magazine
[04:12] <bet0x> :D
[04:12] <Arnia> Dr_Aevil: I'm in Durham.. where are you?
[04:12] <lewwy> mmm                                                                                You have been kicked from #cedega
[04:12] <bet0x> bet0x 2.1-Updated
[04:12] <bet0x> :D
[04:13] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: bristol
[04:13] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: nice job
[04:13] <lewwy> lol
[04:13] <Dr_Aevil> let me guess....you asked someone to send you it? :)
[04:13] <lewwy> looked fake tho
[04:13] <lifeless> why ?
[04:13] <Arnia> Without oil all my medicines run into problems
[04:13] <lewwy> dont worry Arnia, theres plenty of gunpowder
[04:13] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: d'oh
[04:14] <synd> grr why is warty dropping my wireless connection
[04:14] <Arnia> lewwy: Gunpowder is not suitable for synthesising insulin
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:14] <Dr_Aevil> lol
[04:14] <Dr_Aevil> classic line
[04:14] <lewwy> i know...
[04:14] <lewwy> hmm
[04:14] <lewwy> dont worry
[04:14] <lewwy> they'll suss something out
[04:15] <Arnia> lewwy: Nah they won't... science doesn't work on demand. But that's ok, has to happen somehow :)
[04:15] <lewwy> well look
[04:15] <lewwy> they'll either fix it
[04:15] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me where to get a2ps (Postscript convertor) installed on the system? i tried looking for it in the Synaptic Package Manager could not find it there...
[04:15] <lewwy> or you'll die a horrible painful deah
[04:15] <lewwy> death*
[04:15] <Arnia> I've worked out I have to pay the government over 2 million in tax to have made a nett loss
[04:16] <lewwy> its a lot more simpler when you look at it like that
[04:16] <Arnia> lewwy: Yeah... neither really fazes me
[04:16] <lewwy> you know what sux about cedega
[04:16] <lewwy> they dont allow a trial
[04:16] <lewwy> i mean...i wanna try something b4 i buy it
[04:16] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: try the CVS
[04:17] <EvilSporkMan> stazich: a2ps is in debian O_o
[04:17] <bet0x> hum
[04:17] <kpeterson> Has anyone here had success in setting up a mouse with many buttons
[04:17] <bet0x> i make a upgrande
[04:17] <bet0x> and my ubuntu freeze the pc
[04:17] <bet0x> va
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> CVS doesn't include some of the copy protection code for license reasons but you're free to download it
[04:17] <bet0x> the hole gnome system
[04:17] <bet0x> with XFC4 no
[04:17] <bet0x> i dont know whi
[04:17] <bet0x> :S
[04:17] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: CVS is also really guaranteed not to work =)
[04:17] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: you have to keep trying it over time
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> (shhhhh)
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> :)
[04:17] <lewwy> what do i type do install the cvs build?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> stazich, it's in the universe repository
[04:18] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: look on transgaming's site, they have directions
[04:18] <EvilSporkMan> oh, and gentoo got burned for providing an installer for the CVS, so don't even ask
[04:18] <lewwy> link me
[04:18] <lewwy> i cant find it
[04:19] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: how should I know? I'd have to find it myself
[04:19] <holycow> oh
[04:19] <holycow> unmount volume
[04:19] <holycow> thats fucking clever
[04:19] <holycow> nice
[04:20] <holycow> you know, this places menu is brilliant
[04:20] <holycow> that means if we switch to all ubuntu/debian
[04:20] <jsgotangco> it is
[04:20] <stazich> LinuxJones, what is a universe repository??
[04:20] <holycow> i should be able to share ssh/d webdav folders to the whole company
[04:20] <jsgotangco> but its gnome 2.10 not ubuntu :D
[04:21] <holycow> we could have a shared templates, all sorts of things
[04:21] <Dr_Aevil> night night, was fun chatting.
[04:21] <jsgotangco> anyonewith gnome 2.10 will have that :D
[04:21] <LinuxJones> stazich, it's a repository with thousands of packages not available in the mian Ubuntu repositories
[04:21] <holycow> jsgotangco, well the places menu is not by default in stock 2.10 gnome, or is it?
[04:21] <EvilSporkMan> holycow: uh...couldn't you use samba?
[04:21] <LinuxJones> *main
[04:21] <jsgotangco> holycow: it is stock 2.10
[04:21] <holycow> i thought that was an ubuntu invention? i first saw something like that in the first version of ub
[04:22] <synd> theres no places menu in warty : (
[04:22] <Flonne> That's probably because Ubuntu is one of the first distros to use Gnome 2.10.
[04:22] <holycow> EvilSporkMan, samba is evil, reverse engineering something that sucks is not really something i want to deal with
[04:22] <jsgotangco> hoary was just one of the first to use 2.10
[04:22] <EvilSporkMan> holycow: it works fine
[04:22] <jsgotangco> remember 2.10 is barely a month old :D
[04:22] <synd> anyone have konspose working ?
[04:23] <stazich> LinuxJones, how can i access them??
[04:23] <LinuxJones> stazich, have a look at this it explains what it is and how to enable the Universe repo >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[04:23] <synd> expocity for gnome
[04:23] <holycow> samba i only use for windows print sharing, little else
[04:24] <stazich> LinuxJones, thanks man!!
[04:24] <Plank> can someone help me out with something?
[04:24] <holycow> jsgotangco, am i then seeing a bit of the ubuntu work rub off on the gnome team? i first saw the second systems pulldown menu in the first ubuntu release
[04:24] <holycow> and the trash can on bottom right as well
[04:24] <Akira> hey anyone know anything about apt-zip?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> stazich, Have fun :)
[04:25] <Plank> How do I set up USB?
[04:25] <LinuxJones> holycow, some of the Ubuntu devs are top of the line Gnome devs
[04:25] <Plank> Ubuntu doesn't even see my usb ports, just the controllers.
[04:26] <holycow> LinuxJones, nice :)
[04:26] <jsgotangco> holycow: the initial hoary tests didnt have 2.10
[04:26] <jsgotangco> it was only recently after 2.10 got official
[04:27] <LinuxJones> holycow, most of the developers are Debian/Gnome guys :)
[04:27] <Roey> hi
[04:27] <Levander> anybody know if the  dotdeb package for php5 works on either warty or hoary?
[04:27] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[04:28] <Plank> this is frigging ridiculous...
[04:28] <holycow> jsgotangco, :) well damn, i'm starting to like ubuntu
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  what are ya gonna do about this issue for those who boot off SATA drives... they need to have their SATA kernel modules in their initrd's 'loadmodules' or nothing works
[04:28] <jsgotangco> holycow: we all do hehehehe
[04:28] <holycow> LinuxJones, *high five*
[04:29] <holycow> LinuxJones, so that means that buying support means support debian indirectly in a positive way
[04:29] <holycow> i like that
[04:29] <Plank> yes,yes we do, but i need some help folks
[04:29] <jsgotangco> holycow: most fixes in ubuntu are also contributed to debian
[04:29] <holycow> oh that brings up a question:
[04:29] <LinuxJones> holycow, yeah basically
[04:29] <Plank> /proc/bus/usb is empty...
[04:29] <holycow> what happens to fixes/features that are rejected?
[04:29] <jldugger> jsgotangco, unless those fixes are OO.o2 ;)
[04:29] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:30] <jldugger> holycow, i figure, its debian's problem then
[04:30] <jldugger> but afaik, the developers are debian developers too
[04:30] <LinuxJones> Plank, are you running Warty or Hoary ?
[04:30] <holycow> are the packages with such features permanently forked then?
[04:30] <jldugger> so it makes no sense to reject their own patches
[04:30] <Plank> hoary
[04:30] <Plank> on an Averatec C3500
[04:31] <synd> if upgraded to hoary from warty i dont need this: deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[04:31] <synd> correct?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> after all, a number of Debian maintainers are Ubuntu maintainers as well
[04:31] <Plank> /proc/bus/usb is empty, so it doesn't even see my usb ports
[04:31] <holycow> jldugger, i would be interested to see over time, if there was a way to track, how many packages end up 'forking' permanently for either patches not being accepted or some other reason
[04:32] <synd> anyone?
[04:32] <Plank> no, get rid of that
[04:32] <jldugger> im sure there's better things they could be doing with their time
[04:33] <synd> Plank: so i dont need it, right?
[04:33] <Plank> nope
[04:33] <jldugger> speaking of better things, is that bootlog tracker available through apt?
[04:33] <jldugger> bootchart maker, i mean
[04:33] <synd> thx Plank
[04:33] <Plank> no prob
[04:33] <synd> what about deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main ,deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:33] <synd> ?
[04:33] <LinuxJones> Plank, have you ever run Linux on that ?
[04:34] <holycow> cool, thanks for the help guys
[04:34] <holycow> later
[04:34] <gardio1> Anyone using the java plugin?  Have you gotten sound to work?
[04:34] <Plank> whaddya mean? this is the first time i have set a dual boot
[04:34] <LinuxJones> bye
[04:34] <Ringwraith`> holyshit, bye
[04:34] <synd> Ringwraith`: haha.
[04:34] <LinuxJones> Plank, I did a quick search on google and some folks have had to do a bios upgrade to get usb working.
[04:35] <Ringwraith`> damn firmware writers!
[04:35] <Plank> to what bios? i'm using 02h and that ones supposed to work with usb, which bios do you need in order for it to work?
[04:36] <Plank> i know about the various bioses and flashit, so which do i need?
[04:36] <LinuxJones> Plank, that's a tablet pc your running right ?
[04:36] <Plank> yep
[04:37] <Plank> i'm not concerned about the touchscreen at the moment, i'd just like to be able to use a mouse...
[04:37] <LinuxJones> Plank, have a look here, maybe some help >> http://www.tabletquestions.com/archive/index.php/t-4170.html
[04:37] <LinuxJones> work early tomorrow night all :)
[04:39] <Xira> wow
[04:39] <Xira> my ubuntu server is fast :O
[04:39] <`1pt-rich> anyone get the ati drivers working with Hoary?
[04:39] <Xira> `1pt-rich, yes
[04:39] <Xira> can i help you?
[04:39] <DarthFrog> `1pt-rich: Not so far.
[04:39] <`1pt-rich> hopefully
[04:40] <`1pt-rich> I followed http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496
[04:40] <`1pt-rich> and when I run glxgears i still get like 180fpx
[04:40] <`1pt-rich> fps so I know something isnt right
[04:41] <Xira> ok
[04:41] <Xira> remove it
[04:41] <Xira> then follow my instructions
[04:41] <Xira> you have synaptic, yes?
[04:41] <`1pt-rich> i'm still kinda green
[04:41] <`1pt-rich> so apt-get remove?
[04:41] <Xira> right
[04:41] <Xira> but
[04:41] <Xira> do apt-get -u remove <package> first to see nothing critical gets removed
[04:41] <Xira> that will tell you exactly what it's going to do
[04:42] <Xira> if everything looks ok, procede with an apt-get remove
[04:42] <Xira> tell me once you've gotten there
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> couldnt find package
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> how can I find the package?
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> is there a list
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> like an rpm -qa type of thing?
[04:43] <Xira> apt-cache search
[04:44] <kpeterson> Has anyone had success setting up a mouse with extra buttons?
[04:44] <`1pt-rich> Xira: ok the kernel sources are still there should I remove those too?
[04:44] <Xira> kpeterson, rodger.
[04:44] <`1pt-rich> or just the regular fglrx-6.8.0?
[04:44] <Xira> `1pt-rich, doesnt matter, just realize whatever you do the steps im going to give you is the kernel its going to be on
[04:44] <skreet> How can I share a printer, preferably to a windows computer?
[04:45] <mathmatt> I am trying to connect to my laptop (hoary) with vnc. I have done some configuration, but when I connect, I get a new session with only a terminal open.  How do I join the ongoing gnome session with vnc?
[04:45] <`1pt-rich> Xira ok, lets go ahead then
[04:45] <kpeterson> Xira, I am following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ManyButtonsMouseHowto and it says something about modifying /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60imwheel_start-imwheel
[04:45] <mathmatt> skreet: try CUPS
[04:45] <Xira> `1pt-rich, i would prefer to take this up in pm
[04:45] <skreet> mathmatt, Doesn't Ubuntu use the CUPS system?
[04:45] <`1pt-rich> ok
[04:45] <kpeterson> Xira, what modifications should i make?
[04:45] <skreet> The whole point of a decent O/S is to have a menu-driver easy to use interface, is there a way to share my printer using *this* method, or do I need to setup samba :(
[04:46] <Xira> kpeterson, hold
[04:46] <sataere> Hey everyone, I've had video problems with linux whenever I've used it, xv crashes my system forcing a hard reboot, and I was never able to keep totem from using it.   I switched to mplayer with great success, except that it won't play any audio on quicktime files.  I'm willing to try anything :)
[04:46] <Xira> skreet, are you running hoary?
[04:46] <skreet> Xira, Yes I am.
[04:46] <Xira> k.
[04:46] <Xira> system > administration > printing
[04:46] <Xira> ;)
[04:46] <mathmatt> skreet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:47] <skreet> .. I went there, how do I *share* a printer?
[04:47] <Xira> that too
[04:47] <Xira> kpeterson, hm.. it detected mine by default
[04:47] <terry97> can someone suggest an alternative to evolution
[04:47] <jsgotangco> thunderbird
[04:47] <sataere> Thunderbird?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> slypheed
[04:48] <kpeterson> Xira k
[04:48] <DarthFrog> terry97: kmail
[04:48] <terry97> ok thanks you guys
[04:49] <sataere> Can anyone help me with my video problem?
[04:49] <fissy> skreet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000/view?searchterm=printers
[04:49] <skreet> Ick the printer isnt even working , Iguess i'll have to fix that first :((
[04:49] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  your video isnt working
[04:50] <sataere> Ringwraith`, Video is working, rather, I have a problem running quicktime videos: there's no audio
[04:50] <Ringwraith`> mplayer?
[04:50] <sataere> Mplayer.
[04:50] <andrewski> ubuntu is so cool for the budding python developer. :D
[04:51] <dayson> sdf]
[04:51] <elcu> What version of gtk+ is installed with ubuntu warty?
[04:51] <sataere> Ringwraith`, I tried totem, but I can't stop it from using xv which causes a hard lockup on my system
[04:51] <andrewski> elcu: h/o and i'll find out.
[04:51] <elcu> thanks
[04:51] <andrewski> elcu: btw, you could also look on distrowatch's website too.
[04:51] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  grab the latest mplayer from source along with the latest codecs
[04:51] <mathmatt> skreet: See section 4 of this document.  It tells how to configure and share a printer http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#to_windows_cupsconfig
[04:52] <elcu> andrewski: I'm trying to install gqview and ./configure tells me that GTK+ >= 2.4.0 not installed.
[04:52] <andrewski> elcu: 2.4.10-1ubuntu1
[04:52] <sataere> Ringwraith`, alright
[04:52] <mathmatt> can anyone help with VNC?
[04:52] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  also see if you have any audio playing a dvd, etc.
[04:52] <andrewski> elcu: you need libgtk2.0-dev
[04:52] <Ringwraith`> using mplayer
[04:52] <fissy> elcu, if you're compiling you'll need to install the gtk devel packages
[04:52] <fissy> bah, beaten
[04:52] <elcu> Ah, Cheers guys.
[04:53] <andrewski> elcu: what fissy said.  that will give you the source which gqview needs to build against.
[04:53] <andrewski> elcu: any reason you're building gqview and not using ubuntu's package?
[04:53] <sataere> Ringwraith`, avi and wmv and mpegs and some quicktimes work fine
[04:53] <fissy> yeah, gqview is in synaptic
[04:53] <sataere> Ringwraith`, just the newer quicktimes that don't have audio
[04:53] <fissy> in universe
[04:54] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  sounds like a codec issue
[04:54] <danikata> hi all
[04:54] <dayson> how do I set up my devices to be mounted with start up?
[04:54] <andrewski> dayson: /etc/fstab
[04:54] <Ringwraith`> /etc/fstab
[04:54] <andrewski> dayson: there's a manpage to explain the syntax; post back here if you still need help.
[04:54] <danikata> how to add usb flash disk ?
[04:55] <calc> i found that xine can play asf files better than wmp
[04:56] <calc> i couldn't play the video on xine since i didn't have the dll, but it played audio fine, on wmp it wouldn't play the audio, heh
[04:56] <mathmatt> VNC anyone?  I can only see a terminal when connecting.  How do I share a desktop with a remote computer?
[04:56] <Ringwraith`> the shared object
[04:56] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt,  did you edit the files in ~/.vnc?
[04:57] <randabis> System Information for    [ ubuntu ]
[04:57] <randabis> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7
[04:57] <randabis> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2205.164 Mhz   4358.14 Bogomips
[04:57] <randabis> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[04:57] <randabis> Memory                    320.754/504.176MB
[04:57] <randabis> Processes                 116
[04:57] <randabis> Uptime                    7:28
[04:57] <randabis> whoa
[04:57] <randabis> that's a bad script lol
[04:57] <Ringwraith`> wow 0GB
[04:57] <Ringwraith`> you must be on a dickless workstation
[04:57] <randabis> haha that's totally off
[04:57] <synd> lol
[04:58] <randabis> the other stuff is okay
[04:58] <synd> stupid ubuntu >:o
[04:58] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: yes, i added a line for Gnome: exec gnome-session
[04:58] <randabis> my main gripe is that that script floods the channel
[04:58] <andrewski> synd: oh yeah?
[04:58] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt,  did you startvncserver?
[04:58] <randabis> synd: I'm using kde :p
[04:58] <dayson> where is the file and whats its name where I add things to be mounted during startup?
[04:58] <Ringwraith`> and erase the exec from gnome-session you dont need it technically
[04:59] <synd> randabis: youre in the wrong room :P
[04:59] <synd> andrewski: oh yea
[04:59] <Ringwraith`> go to the waiting room!
[04:59] <randabis> synd: I'm in both rooms
[04:59] <smouche> just installed gnome -- why is there no option in log-out to shutdown or restart?  And I can't find a user administration screen from any of the menus...
[04:59] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: Yes.  I can connect with vnc however I only get a new session with a terminal, no Desktop GUI
[04:59] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: Is that normal?
[04:59] <synd> randabis: yeah well youre talking in the wrong room so : P
[05:00] <danikata> heloo.... how to add usb flash disk in ubuntu, is i necessary to edit /etc/fstab
[05:00] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt, do you have kde installed? if so try startkde
[05:00] <jldugger> danikata, like a usb thumb drive?
[05:00] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt,  or some other WM
[05:00] <randabis> synd: no, just because I'm using kde at the moment doesn't mean I don't use gnome too...besides, kubuntu and ubuntu are not separate distros
[05:00] <jldugger> danikata, they should just come up.
[05:00] <danikata> yup
[05:00] <jldugger> on the desktop
[05:00] <synd> randabis: im just yankin your chain
[05:00] <randabis> :)
[05:00] <dayson> how do I add and mount another partion on another drive on startup?
[05:00] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: from the remote computer?
[05:00] <randabis> it's all gravy then
[05:00] <libben> I have a updates Icon in the corner that i cant get rid of... it tells me that i have 314 updates to make if i want to.... i cant see any diffrent changes for them.. same version number.. but it has adde ubuntu0 and 1 and 2 sometimes on it...
[05:01] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: I'll try it. Thanks
[05:01] <libben> should i update ALL 314 packages ?
[05:01] <andrewski> libben: ps -A | grep update
[05:01] <andrewski> libben: i forget the name of it, i think it's update-notifier.  you can kill it and have it not restart next time.
[05:01] <danikata> theres nothing in desktop, even i add "/dev/sda1/" in /etc/fstab
[05:01] <andrewski> libben: depends.  i'd run synaptic and see what specifically is being updated.
[05:01] <synd> randabis: im new to ubuntu (and linux for that matter).. im lookin to format my other HDD on here that has XP and installing kubuntu. which you like better?
[05:02] <andrewski> libben: generally, yes.  but use your discretion.
[05:02] <libben> use ny discretion? what u mean.
[05:02] <randabis> synd: I like kubuntu better...technically my system has both though
[05:02] <sataere> use ny discretion lol
[05:02] <libben> ive allready updated ff and gaim and other small things that ive looked with synaptic
[05:02] <sataere> NY has no discretion
[05:02] <synd> randabis: better yet, which would be better for a new user.. or is that just a matter of opinion
[05:03] <randabis> I've been using hoary since late january so I just installed the kubuntu-desktop package :p
[05:03] <synd> aha :p
[05:03] <synd> is the kubuntu desktop package as easy as an apt-get?
[05:03] <randabis> synd: more of an opinion...I think kde might be easier to navigate, but that's just me
[05:03] <libben> how do i not make it restart next time i turn on box?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> synd: yep.
[05:04] <synd> interesting
[05:04] <libben> is it just enough with kill update-notifier sorta? and then what
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> synd: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:04] <andrewski> libben: dunno, don't use gnome myself. :)
[05:04] <randabis> synd: yes. that's the beauty of apt and the fact that kubuntu is not a fork, so it shares the same repositories as ubuntu
[05:04] <synd> does it add kubuntu to grub automatically or ?
[05:04] <dayson> how do I add and mount another partion from another drive at startup?
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> synd: it's not another os. Just another application.
[05:05] <randabis> synd: it doesn't need to add it to grub...it adds kde to your session manager (gdm)
[05:05] <randabis> or you can choose to change to kdm
[05:05] <synd> oh i see.. the login screen?
[05:05] <randabis> yes
[05:05] <synd> automatically?
[05:05] <randabis> yes
[05:05] <Xeon3D> erm.. does anyone know how can I edit the gnome menu?
[05:05] <nictuku> hi. sound is not coming out. it's an HP d325. I've tried rythmbox, xmms with esd/oss/alsa plugin. none worked
[05:05] <synd> ok, im sold
[05:06] <synd> but i need hoary first, correct?
[05:06] <nictuku> I've put all volume levels to high
[05:06] <randabis> and if you use a kubuntu cd, you can always get gnome by installing ubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <mathmatt> gnome-edit
[05:06] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, was that for me?
[05:06] <mathmatt> run as root though
[05:06] <mathmatt> yes
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> synd: nope - you can dl kubuntu from kubuntu.org too
[05:07] <Xeon3D> I ain't got that command.
[05:07] <dayson> how do I add and mount another partion from another drive at startup?
[05:07] <mathmatt> i'll get you a link, hold on
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> synd: the only differences between kubuntu and ubuntu are which desktop they install by default.
[05:07] <synd> alright.. sounds like a plan
[05:07] <smouche> ok, this distro is supposed to be relatively friendly to newbies?  Then why do I have to open a terminal and "sudo halt" just to shut down the machine?  Why is there no shut down or reboot entry in the menus?
[05:08] <synd> Configuration file `/etc/bash.bashrc' // ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. // ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. //   What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[05:08] <synd> im getting that when im installing hoary
[05:08] <synd> what to do?
[05:08] <idmaster> does any one know how to exclude package from apt?
[05:08] <synd> install or keep current?
[05:08] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, I got a program from ubuntuforuns.org, but that was what made the bug.. i ran it under a normal user.... and now I have 2 icons for the same thing on the menu... I wanted to erase one...
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> synd: probably safe to install the one in the package.
[05:09] <mathmatt> is it menu-editor?
[05:09] <mathmatt> that's what i ment
[05:09] <mathmatt> meant
[05:09] <synd> LeeJunFan: ill take your word for it
[05:09] <geppy> I need a command line application that can tell me the length of a sound clip (.wav, .mp3, .ogg, etc) in milliseconds.  Advice?
[05:09] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, yup.. but now I can't delete that package...
[05:09] <Xeon3D> erm
[05:09] <Xeon3D> that icon.
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: sox will do wav
[05:10] <Xeon3D> or entry
[05:10] <mathmatt> sudo menu-editor
[05:10] <mathmatt> then fix your menu
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: the only way to accurately do it with mp3 ogg/etc is to decode it, passit to sox and then do it
[05:10] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Ah, yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
[05:10] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: This will be for a webserver application, so I was hoping for some kind of cheap (in processing terms) way to do it.
[05:10] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, it doesn't work :(
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: in seconds yes
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> milliseconds, no
[05:11] <Xeon3D> I deleted the VLC entry... and it still shows both of them there
[05:11] <Xeon3D> does anyone know the manual way of doing it?
[05:11] <randabis> smouche: there is a shutdown menu
[05:11] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: wait, sox won't give milliseconds?
[05:11] <randabis> smouche: it is in the System menu
[05:11] <smouche> randabis, where?  All it says is log-out
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: I think it will, but what I mean is you can cheaply get seconds
[05:11] <randabis> if you are using Warty, it is in the Computer menu
[05:11] <i3dmaster> Any one know how to exclude packages from apt???
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> milliseconds is much harder
[05:11] <randabis> smouche: that's what you use
[05:11] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Oh, okay.
[05:12] <randabis> it brings up a menu that gives you 3 options
[05:12] <smouche> That gets me to the log in screen.  Oh, that's absurd.  Faster to sudo halt then.
[05:12] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, don't you happen to know how can I manually erase it?
[05:12] <randabis> smouche: that's strange
[05:12] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Yeah.  The problem is that this is for an online audio database, and many of the sound clips will probably be very, very short.
[05:12] <randabis> it should give you the option to logout, reboot, or shutdown
[05:12] <smouche> In windows, I can shut down with three key presses.
[05:12] <synd> smouche: terminal is always faster, and much cooler, imho :p
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: ahh
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: with wav it's cheap
[05:12] <smouche> In kde, I can right shut down from a menu.
[05:13] <randabis> smouche: so use kde
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> well, pcm
[05:13] <randabis> there's kde in ubuntu
[05:13] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: the menu-editor app or the menu entries?
[05:13] <Xeon3D> I wanted to erase a menu entry manually
[05:13] <vitriol> anybody know how to fix something like this:
[05:13] <vitriol> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:13] <vitriol>   libe: Depends: enlightenment (= 0.16.999.003-0cvs20050325) but 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:13] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: So, it'd be necessary to decode the ogg/mp3 streams into .wav, and then just store a .wav copy server-side (or just store the time)?
[05:13] <foden> hey, has anyone recently upgraded their hoary to find that the graphical login doesn't load anymore?
[05:13] <vitriol> ?
[05:13] <smouche> synd, sure, but how are newbies supposed to know about "sudo -password-- halt" (yeah I know, rtfm), and what the hell is a gui for anyway??? how damn hard is it to include an obvious choice like shut down in a menu?
[05:14] <mlambie> anyone know why I can't add the volume applet to my panel in hoary?
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: you wouldn't need to stor the wav, but you'd need it to work out the exact time yeah
[05:14] <Ringwraith`> you can if you run kdm
[05:14] <Ringwraith`> so just run the damned thing
[05:14] <Daehlie> smouche: you could use sudo init 0
[05:14] <synd> smouche: understandable. but, mine works! I have the little panel with the door and you click it and it brings up 3 opts
[05:14] <Daehlie> if you were so inclined
[05:15] <Ringwraith`> or press the power button on your computer
[05:15] <randabis> smouche: again, it is there, you are just doing something wrong apparently...but also, if you're more comfortable with kde, then use it..you can install it easily
[05:15] <Ringwraith`> if your power stuff is configured right in the kernel then it will shut itself down gracefully
[05:15] <foden> hey, has anyone recently upgraded their hoary to find that the graphical login doesn't load anymore? coz for sum reason mine isnt running now :S
[05:15] <smouche> randabis, remarks like "so use kde" aren't very bright.  It's a development distro, right, so it needs some development.  "just love it the way it is or shut up" is asinine.
[05:15] <vitriol> foden: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:15] <Ringwraith`> my hoar was upgraded last year, but i got a new hoar this year
[05:15] <smouche> thank you randabis, I do have kde.
[05:15] <i3dmaster> ubuntu GUI mode is runlevel 2, then what is the networkable console mode?
[05:16] <vitriol> then try and see if you can get it working, foden
[05:16] <randabis> smouche: it was merely a suggestion, not an insult...again I say, the option is there, but apparently something is either wrong with your installation, or you are doing something wrong
[05:16] <Xeon3D> how does one manually remove an entry from the gnome menu?
[05:16] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: try removing whatevermenuitem.desktop from /usr/share/applications
[05:16] <synd> smouche: so Computer --> Log Out just simply logs you out?
[05:17] <Xeon3D> i'll try mathmatt
[05:17] <Nekohayo> having installed limewire free on my ubuntu box, I'm worried about spyware. Any thoughts about this?
[05:17] <Ringwraith`> press the power button!
[05:17] <Nekohayo> should I put my tinfoil hat on?
[05:17] <jldugger> Nekohayo, did it come from apt-get?
[05:17] <Ringwraith`> Nekohayo,  yes
[05:17] <foden> ok thanks
[05:17] <Flonne> Y'know, I've never actually tried the power button with Ubuntu.
[05:17] <synd> smouche: maybe you could just log out.. then goto the login screen and then hit the shutdown button?
[05:17] <Flonne> Does it work?
[05:17] <sal002> Anyone here built the qemu with the kernel extension for speed-up in Ubuntu
[05:17] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: let me know if you find it there
[05:17] <Nekohayo> jldugger, I aliened the rpm
[05:17] <synd> Flonne: aint nothing to it but to do it
[05:18] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, yup that did it!
[05:18] <smouche> I'm doing something wrong??  What could I be doing wrong?  I'm looking in the menu, I'm clicking on log-out, I get just log-out, which brings me to the log in screen.  from there I can shut down, but it's absurd.  wasteful of time.
[05:18] <Xeon3D> thanks!
[05:18] <synd> Flonne: so let me know afterwards ;)
[05:18] <randabis> synd: I think he wants it to shutdown quickly
[05:18] <Flonne> You first, synd. I've got some stuff open. ^^
[05:18] <jldugger> Nekohayo, the rpm being directly from limewire? all bets are off then
[05:18] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: great!
[05:18] <randabis> smouche: I think I know what's wrong
[05:18] <Nekohayo> jldugger, where could I apt-get it then?
[05:18] <synd> Flonne: im upgrading to hoary as we speek so i win
[05:18] <gratuit> Xeon3D: if you want to do your menu manually, then check out denu, it's a really good gui menu editor that will generate menus for a whole bunch of different WMs
[05:18] <jldugger> i have to admit i dont follow gnutella that closely
[05:18] <randabis> smouche: you're using both gnome and kde correct?
[05:18] <jldugger> i used to use gnucleus on windows and it was spyware free but almost never worked
[05:18] <smouche> synd, thank you.  It's not that I CANT log out, I'm just amazed that gnome makes it needless kludgy to do it.
[05:18] <Flonne> I'm migrating a Gentoo box to Hoary by hand now, so I win.
[05:19] <smouche> yes, randabis.
[05:19] <Xeon3D> just one more question... I've installed packages that show up on the Gnome menu, but without an icon, but when I edit them and go to browse the icon path, the icon is there and it's correctly named. why doesn't it show up on Gnome Menu?
[05:19] <synd> smouche: that's really odd though that it does that.
[05:19] <randabis> smouche: what display manager are you using? if you are using kdm, then that's why you can't reboot or shutdown from within gnome using the logout button
[05:19] <gratuit> Flonne: it's not faster just to wipe/ re-install?
[05:19] <^DM> i have a question
[05:19] <randabis> synd: it's not that odd actually if what I think is happening is occurring
[05:19] <Flonne> I'm sure it would be, gratuit.
[05:19] <Flonne> It would probably also be a lot smarter.
[05:19] <Nekohayo> jldugger, from a theorical point, if I do a "complete removal" (like I just did right now from synaptic), there should be no risks?
[05:19] <^DM> can ubuntu use a windows internet connection eg through LAN
[05:19] <gratuit> Flonne: that begs the question, why?
[05:19] <mlambie> anyone know why I can't add the volume applet to my panel in hoary?
[05:20] <smouche> synd, I'm sure there's some arcane config file I can edit somewhere or something buried in gconfig (yeah, that's newbie friendly)...
[05:20] <Flonne> But then I wouldn't be able to say I understand Ubuntu's directory structure.
[05:20] <jldugger> dm: sure.
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> ^DM: sure can.
[05:20] <geppy> Did they take lame out of universe?
[05:20] <smouche> randabis, you are probably right-- but why?
[05:20] <Flonne> It's all inthe name of learning.
[05:20] <synd> randabis: well, when I click log out, it brings up the 3 options
[05:20] <vitriol> i'm getting an error message that i dunno how to fix....can someone look at this?
[05:20] <vitriol> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:20] <gratuit> Flonne: and now you will know it better than almost anyone else here ;)
[05:20] <vitriol>   libe: Depends: enlightenment (= 0.16.999.003-0cvs20050325) but 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:20] <Flonne> gratuit, that will just make it easier to provide assistance. :)
[05:20] <synd> smouche: when he clicks log out, it just simply logs out.. if ive understood him correctly
[05:21] <randabis> smouche: because the kde developers for some reason have not put that feature in :( it sucks I know
[05:21] <sal002> Is there a boot splash scren for Ubuntu?
[05:21] <synd> randabis*
[05:21] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, you wouldn't know why doesn't an icon show up on a gnome menu entry even if its path is correctly entered?
[05:21] <geppy> sal002: Not yet.
[05:21] <gratuit> sal002: it's in the works
[05:21] <randabis> synd: it's because he's using kdm...kdm cannot shutdown or reboot gnome
[05:21] <jldugger> Nekohayo, not sure. i would almost wager that rpms contain their own uninstall routines, which means you cant be sure they didnt leave it there, but one would imagine that if they did evil things it would come up on slashdot or something
[05:21] <sal002> good to here!
[05:21] <randabis> sal002: there is a beta one called usplash
[05:21] <dayson> I have a linux partion on another hard drive how do I set it up to mount on bootup?
[05:21] <smouche> ah, the log-in manager is also the log-out manager-- well, ok. hmmm... but , huh, still don't know why gnome itself doesn't -- oh never mind, over my head I'm sure
[05:21] <^DM> is there anything out of the ordinary i must do ?
[05:21] <randabis> I have it working on my system
[05:21] <gratuit> sal002: it's called usplash, there has been talk of it on the mailing list, I think it's coming along, but won't be in hoary
[05:22] <Flonne> dayson, the answer lies in your /etc/fstab file.
[05:22] <synd> randabis: well im all confused so ill be quiet :x
[05:22] <smouche> Thank you randabis, and synd for your patience with my impatience!
[05:22] <jamminpotato> of the p2p's (not counting BT)  limewire is the worst
[05:22] <Nekohayo> jldugger, hmm guess it's out of my list.. I'm starting paranoia against proprietary P2P :)
[05:22] <sal002> I'll keep my eyes open for it
[05:22] <Flonne> dayson, are you familiar with the concept of a mount point?
[05:22] <jamminpotato> i want xchat back!
[05:22] <dayson> Flonne, I'm in it now
[05:22] <dayson> Flonne, sorta
[05:22] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: try sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/themenuentry.desktop and see if the correct Icon=something.png is there
[05:22] <randabis> smouche: hey it's no problem. I'm just glad we figured it out. :) I think a bug has been filed, and if not, I'll file one
[05:22] <geppy> sal002: It's called 'usplash', you could probably grab a development version, if you're comfortable with that.
[05:22] <jldugger> jamminpotato, google "xchat win32" ;)
[05:22] <synd> jesus they need to open an #ubuntu2, this chan is getting busy
[05:22] <Flonne> dayson, mind a PM? This will take several lines.
[05:22] <dayson> Flonne, I've bene using it for about 2 weeks
[05:22] <jldugger> synd: so people can flood both channels with questions?
[05:23] <dayson> Flonne, sure thats fine
[05:23] <Guilmon> is there a way I can check to see if a certain file came from a package?
[05:23] <synd> jldugger: at least it will be dispersed between 2!
[05:23] <jldugger> not really
[05:23] <lunitik> synd: only about 10 aren't idling  :/
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> could be worse over 700 in #debian
[05:23] <jldugger> #gentoo flies by on occasions
[05:23] <randabis> man, I'm getting addicted to amarok shortcut keys
[05:23] <synd> glad i aint there
[05:23] <Guilmon> #debian is full of trolls
[05:24] <sal002> hmmm..ubuntu never asked me to set my root password
[05:24] <jamminpotato> how safe is editing the partitions i the ubuntu installer?
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> randabis: yeah - finally have a use for the windows key.
[05:24] <Guilmon> you have to watch out for the biggest troll, cafuego
[05:24] <sal002> geppy: I am..
[05:24] <jldugger> hahaha
[05:24] <mathmatt> sal002: just use sudo
[05:24] <sal002> What is the default root password?
[05:24] <randabis> sal002: that's because ubuntu does not use a root account
[05:24] <synd> i poop on trolls
[05:24] <jldugger> unfortuately, i think cafuego happens to be a DD
[05:24] <Guilmon> "how to you..." <You have been kicked by cafuego>
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> randabis: although I think it's quite discriminatory that it's a windows logo on my keybd.
[05:24] <Guilmon> JDahl: DD?
[05:24] <jldugger> debian developer
[05:24] <Guilmon> JDahl: Hes not.
[05:25] <Guilmon> JDahl: hes just an ass who somehow gained support and is an op for #debian
[05:25] <mathmatt> sal002: sudo is the same only more secure
[05:25] <sal002> well..what do I enter when sudo asks me for a password?
[05:25] <jamminpotato> how safe is editing the partitions i the ubuntu installer?, i ahve winXP installeed on a drive formatted in teh NTFS format and owuld like to dual boot without messing up my current swin install
[05:25] <mathmatt> your password for your account
[05:25] <Guilmon> JDahl: hes just a looser who is controlled by his testosterone
[05:25] <Xeon3D> jamminpotato,  as long as you don't touch the NTFS partition, it's perfectly stable.
[05:25] <Guilmon> JDahl: I know hes defintely male, just by how childish he acts.
[05:26] <randabis> sal002: refer to this entry in the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:26] <lunitik> Guilmon: funniest thing is... you cared about it enough to tell us all about it... good job...
[05:26] <Guilmon> lunitik: someone mentioned #debian ;)
[05:26] <jamminpotato> waht if the drive is two NTFS partitions and i want to shrink one and make a FAT32 partition...is that possible?
[05:26] <Guilmon> lunitik: It might have a higher channel count, but it doesn't level out when it comes to support/and community.
[05:26] <randabis> that page tells you how to enable the root account, but I don't recommend you do that...sudo is more secure
[05:26] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I can't seem to find it in the man page;  would you happen to know the syntax for finding the length of a .wav file in milleseconds?
[05:27] <Nekohayo> jamminpotato, you said limewire is the worst, not counting bittorrent.. why's that?
[05:27] <jamminpotato> no isaid it was the least worst
[05:27] <sal002> Oh, yes...the wiki...need to look there
[05:27] <jamminpotato> BT rocks
[05:27] <Nekohayo> ok, misunderstood
[05:27] <jamminpotato> limewwire has the smallest amount.if any, spyware of most of hte p2p apps
[05:27] <synd> what about emule
[05:28] <Arnia> BT = British Telecom to me... oooh... bittorrent :)
[05:28] <Nekohayo> or BaconTomato
[05:28] <synd> i miss acquisition on my mac : (
[05:28] <Guilmon> hmm
[05:28] <randabis> jamminpotato: the ntfs partition you resize would need to be at the end of the hard drive...you can't just make partitions in the middle of a drive
[05:28] <smouche> now, I know I must be blind, but I can't find anything in the system tools or admin menus for administering users and groups; I've got kuser, of course, but I was hoping there'd be something in gnome specifically
[05:28] <Guilmon> is there a way to tell what package a file comes from?
[05:28] <smouche> kuser hates me.
[05:28] <Guilmon> LeeJunFan: Gee, my first thought is BitTorrent ;)
[05:28] <jamminpotato> i have a 8 gig partition that win is on, its first, then i have a 10 gig unused partition...could i just delete that and use it
[05:29] <Guilmon> hmm
[05:29] <jamminpotato> cause i remember when iuused suse it wanted to be the first partition
[05:29] <Guilmon> can dpkg help me, or am I missing it in the manpage?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> Guilmon: well, get your mind in the gutter - will you? :)
[05:29] <Guilmon> LeeJunFan: heh.
[05:29] <randabis> jamminpotato: you can use the 10 gig partition
[05:29] <jamminpotato> cool
[05:29] <randabis> linux isn't like windows...it can be installed anywhere on a drive
[05:30] <randabis> as long as it has its own partition
[05:30] <jamminpotato> just to clairfy my computer does have more than 20gigs totalt space, it roginally had twenty becasue thats the only drive i had around when i bult me box but the ni bought a 160 and didnt fel liek norton ghosting or anything so the 20 tstill ahs windows onit
[05:30] <jldugger> maybe not even then ;)
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> randabis: or on a CD, or on a USB drive, or jumpdrive, or eprom, :)
[05:30] <randabis> LeeJunFan: yes :)
[05:31] <geneo93> randabis:  windows can be installed any where also
[05:31] <jldugger> ive only got ten gigs and right now im using half that
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> geneo93: I'll tell you where you can install windows :)
[05:31] <jldugger> though if i decide to buy ut2k4 something will have to change
[05:31] <smouche> heh, could I use an Archos jukebox to boot with?
[05:31] <geneo93> LeeJunFan:  not here thats for sure
[05:32] <randabis> smouche: if you formatted it probably so
[05:32] <randabis> geneo93: in most cases, you're right
[05:32] <sal002> what is the gnome meta package in warty?
[05:32] <smouche> hmmm-- it's a sucky player, but it has 20 gigs and smells like burning plastic.  Might be good for something...
[05:32] <randabis> sal002: ubuntu-desktop or gnome-core
[05:33] <randabis> depends on how much you want
[05:33] <lunitik> sal002: 'gnome-desktop-environment' ... or 'gnome-core' ... depending on how minimal you want it,...
[05:33] <sal002> I want it all ;)
[05:33] <randabis> sal002: go ahead and do ubuntu-desktop then
[05:33] <Astrak> hi all
[05:34] <geneo93> sal002:  that big one includes OO and emacs
[05:34] <synd> yay hoary's done! time to reboot
[05:34] <nealmcb> how do I boot hoary-live with an integrity check?
[05:34] <jbailey> Guilmon: "dpkg -s"
[05:34] <jbailey> Guilmon: Err. -S
[05:35] <mdz> nealmcb: what sort of integrity check?
[05:35] <Guilmon> jbailey: oh. Thank you very much. Looks like I must have installed manually and set the wrong path :/
[05:35] <nealmcb> mdz: I want to check that the burn was good.  I'm getting a "failed to copy file from cdrom" error on boot
[05:35] <mdz> nealmcb: you might be able to run the standard CD integrity check in expert mode, but it won't mean much on the live CD
[05:35] <mdz> it won't check the live CD data, only the bootstrap packages
[05:36] <mdz> nealmcb: if you're getting an error like that, it's very likely that the burn is bad
[05:36] <lunitik> sal002: ahh... the gnome meta packages are all in universe...
[05:37] <smouche> lord, in neither kubuntu nor gnome am I being allowed to add new users, or change passwords.  Things are seriously fucked...
[05:37] <nealmcb> mdz: hmmm - knoppix has always had a nice way on live boot to check the cdrom.  What does cdrom-checker do if not that?
[05:38] <nealmcb> mdz: from this page I get the sense that a cd can be burned to always check integrity.  but perhaps not as an option?  odd...  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehogBurnDetection/view?searchterm=cdrom-checker
[05:38] <mdz> nealmcb: it checks the install CD
[05:39] <geppy> Anyone know how to determine the length, in milliseconds, of an audio file?
[05:39] <mdz> nealmcb: that page is about trying to differentiate between pressed CDs and CD-Rs
[05:39] <danikata> i cant read my usb drive, how to set up?
[05:40] <mathmatt> smouche: what happens from System->Users and Groups?
[05:40] <mathmatt> smouche: in gnome
[05:40] <mdz> nealmcb: hmm, in fact cdrom-checker will check the live CD data, now that I look
[05:41] <nealmcb> mdz: yeah, but with the goal of checking integrity.  why would live cds not have that option?  what were you  saying about doing  it in expert mode?
[05:42] <mdz> nealmcb: the reason why the live CD might not have that option is because it might not be implemented yet
[05:42] <geneo93> nealmcb:  thats what md5sum is for
[05:42] <jamminpotato> how hard is it to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[05:42] <smouche> mathmatt, I have no System- Users and Groups
[05:43] <Astrak> smouche, try with 'adduser' from console
[05:43] <nealmcb> geneo93: in the past I've seen lots of problems getting a repeatable md5sum on a cdrom image - reading the exact number of bytes can be hard and depends on the hardware as I recall
[05:43] <sal002> Why won't ubuntu-desktop install from CD?
[05:44] <geneo93> sudo before that though
[05:44] <smouche> mathmatt, I guess I need to check synaptic; maybe I just assumed all that stuff was included when i installed gnome-desktop environment... maybe stuff needs to be added
[05:44] <Astrak> sure
[05:44] <smouche> Astrak, thank you, I know about adduser, but I really prefer a gui for this.
[05:44] <mdz> nealmcb: at the "boot:" prompt, type "live-expert"
[05:44] <mdz> nealmcb: you should be able to run an integrity check from there
[05:44] <Astrak> does it work from console?
[05:44] <UbuRC1> hello
[05:45] <UbuRC1> im on RC1 now, has a few bugs
[05:45] <UbuRC1> very nice, much nicer than Preview
[05:45] <nealmcb> mdz: I'll look again - but don't remember it being obvious the first time around (though I wasn't looking for it then)
[05:45] <dayson> in fstab for bootup I want to add a ext3 partion from another drive how do I let me have write privilages?
[05:45] <nealmcb> mdz: thanks for the  help though!
[05:45] <mdz> nealmcb: I just checked; it's there
[05:45] <mathmatt> smouche: hoary has this
[05:46] <Astrak> if it works from console then system/Administration/Users and groups should do
[05:46] <nealmcb> mdz: I just saw it also - many thanks!!
[05:46] <smouche> my menus are really sparse when it comes to gnome stuff; it's mostly kde.  Gnome-control-panel has no users and groups admin either... I guess throwing gnome into kubuntu is just confusing things
[05:46] <chris> anyone willing to help with a hd install issue?
[05:46] <dem> kubuntu is the devil
[05:47] <dem> ever since kubuntu took over k3b, no more mp3 support
[05:47] <randabis> kubuntu rocks my socks
[05:47] <Dae|pussy^2> f
[05:47] <randabis> uh, you can burn mp3 with k3b
[05:47] <smouche> dem, why no mp3?  I don't know about k3b, but, unlike "standard" ubuntu, kubuntu supports mp3 out of the box.
[05:48] <nealmcb> mdz: bingo.  I'll try burning for the  third time, more slowly....
[05:48] <dem> i know now hoary, when i added k3b, no more mp3 burning  support
[05:48] <smouche> i'm gonna do another apt-get update and take an advil...
[05:48] <dem> but it works in warty
[05:49] <randabis> dem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22766
[05:50] <libben> I can kill this update-notifier --sm-config-prefix /update-,.. bla bla? but how do i remove it so it wont be launched everytime i start gnome?
[05:50] <mdz> UbuRC1: all non-trivial software has bugs; the idea of a release is to not have any show-stopper bugs ;-)
[05:51] <chris> i have a drive set up as an lvm volume from a previous FC3 install - and it won't mount under Ubuntu - anyone know how I can mount it?
[05:52] <CheeseBall> does anyone know how to make my back button work in firefox in ubuntu
[05:53] <cartel_> hey all
[05:53] <cartel_> need help
[05:53] <cartel_> :)
[05:53] <jldugger> CheeseBall, you click on it
[05:53] <geppy> CheeseBall: Press the one that looks like "<--" =P
[05:53] <CheeseBall> on my mouse
[05:53] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[05:53] <CheeseBall> sryt
[05:53] <CheeseBall> it opens a link and does not go back
[05:53] <cartel_> im trying to configure xorg with fglrx
[05:53] <cartel_> i am using
[05:53] <CheeseBall> i cant figure out how to remap my buttons
[05:53] <smouche> uh, help-- I just added a user using the cli and "adduser" -- but I want the new user to have sudo privileges-- how do I do that/
[05:53] <geppy> Hmm, I'd try about:config
[05:53] <smouche> ?
[05:54] <cartel_> kernel 2.6.11-1-k7, but i cant find fglrx module ??
[05:54] <geppy> CheeseBall:  I can't find anything like "back" in the GNOME keyboard shortcuts stuff
[05:54] <CheeseBall> i cant either
[05:55] <i3dmaster> Anyone use deb-install? This guy by default installs package to /usr/local but I just want it to install to /usr? how to configure it?
[05:55] <CheeseBall> linux registers the button but the wrong function is assigned to it
[05:55] <CheeseBall> i3dmaster, sry cant help
[05:55] <cartel_> linux-restricted-modules-k7
[05:55] <smouche> Cheeseball, the back button may mysteriously start working the next time you upgrade; it's been off and on for me, weird-- anyway, Alt, left should work too
[05:55] <CheeseBall> thanks a ton
[05:55] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[05:56] <i3dmaster> CheeseBall: I am sorry?
[05:56] <cartel_> wants to downgrade me to 2.6.10
[05:56] <cartel_> oh well
[05:56] <smouche> firefox has been flaky lately.
[05:56] <CheeseBall> i cant help ya im too new to this stuff
[05:56] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[05:56] <cartel_> ok brb
[05:57] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=110847 <-- help! :P
[05:57] <i3dmaster> oh well that's ok. I am sure someone will..
[05:57] <wastrel> helloooo.  trying to print handouts from a ppt file using oo.org impress, i want to print 3 per page but they're half the possible size and illegible.  anyone know how to increase the size in the handout layout template
[05:58] <smouche> Does anyone know if there's a way to turn off the animation on window minimizing without affecting other eye candy?    I think warty has an older firefox...
[06:00] <geppy> What command-line tool can I use to determine the length of an audio file in milliseconds? I'll be using .wav, .ogg,, .mp3, .flac, etc, but I can convert easily enough between those.
[06:00] <kbrede> my sym link /dev/pilot to /.dev/ttyUSB1 gets removed after reboot, any clue why and how to make this link persist?
[06:01] <CheeseBall> anyone know GTKPod?
[06:01] <CheeseBall> hoary
[06:01] <CheeseBall> sry
[06:01] <CheeseBall> warty
[06:02] <Xira> i don't think there's that many warty users here
[06:02] <Xira> <.<
[06:02] <CheeseBall> how do you upgrade to warty
[06:02] <CheeseBall> hoary
[06:02] <CheeseBall> and is it stable
[06:02] <wastrel> i'm using the earlier one whichever that is.
[06:02] <CheeseBall> warty
[06:02] <geppy> CheeseBall: Wait a couple of weeks, it'll be released finally.
[06:02] <CheeseBall> coo
[06:03] <Xeon3D> CheeseBall,  you uncomment \ add the hoary repositories... and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:03] <wastrel> they couldn't have named them alphabetically :]
[06:03] <CheeseBall> thanks
[06:03] <geneo93> its stable now just a few bugs is all
[06:03] <calc> CheeseBall: hoary release in 7 days
[06:03] <Xeon3D> I think I'll reinstall hoary on this PC
[06:03] <Xeon3D> can't wait a week.. and hoary preview works nicely for me.
[06:04] <calc> aiui hoary rc was supposed to be released today
[06:04] <wastrel> woo 7 days jolly
[06:04] <sal002> anyone here use enlightenment?
[06:04] <CheeseBall> one last problem is that in GTKPod i cant get the program to save my playlist, so everytime i restart the program I have to re-add the directorya nd it takes like 15 to re-scan my mp3s
[06:04] <calc> yea the rc is out now
[06:04] <wastrel> and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade will do me after the release?  or will i have to dist-upgrade
[06:05] <cartel_> hmm
[06:05] <calc> wastrel: if you are already running hoary then upgrade should be enough
[06:05] <calc> wastrel: otherwise to go from warty->hoary you may want to run dist-upgrade
[06:05] <cartel_> ok, i have fglrx again
[06:05] <cartel_> but still picks up mesa
[06:05] <randabis> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[06:05] <randabis> rc1 was released today
[06:05] <geppy> Anyone in here know of a command-line tool that can ascertain the length of an audio file in milliseconds?
[06:06] <calc> geppy: sox might be able to
[06:06] <gratuit> geppy: I think sox can do that
[06:06] <Astrak> gotta go
[06:06] <Astrak> see you guys
[06:06] <calc> depends on the audio type though
[06:06] <geppy> I looked in the man page, but couldn't find out how.
[06:06] <calc> xiph has a tool for ogg vorbis files
[06:06] <geppy> I can convert between audio types, that's no problem.
[06:07] <geppy> I'd be interested in both sox and this xiph tool;  could I have more information on either?
[06:07] <PirateWIll> hi
[06:07] <calc> iirc for xiph its called ogginfo
[06:07] <santiago> hi, is there a package that includes the support for mp3 and video codecs?
[06:07] <geppy> calc:  ooh, fantastic!
[06:07] <geppy> calc: Thanks!
[06:07] <calc> yea it does eg 71m:51.955s
[06:07] <geppy> Yeah. =)
[06:07] <geppy> What would be the syntax for sox?
[06:08] <calc> not sure about sox, i was just guessing that there is some way to extract the info from it
[06:08] <smouche> santiago, take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:08] <cartel_> grrrr
[06:08] <santiago> smouche, let's see
[06:09] <cartel_> !seen daniels
[06:09] <randabis> santiago: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[06:09] <gratuit> geppy: worst case scenario, convert it to a .wav with a know precision and sample frequency and check out the file size
[06:09] <santiago> randabis, warty
[06:09] <calc> if you know the format and container overhead you can calculate the length of wav files as well
[06:09] <smouche> you'll need to add repositories, etc.  That page is worth reading top to bottom
[06:09] <cartel_> grr
[06:10] <randabis> santiago: ah...that's too bad. If you were running hoary, I could have provided you with a script that does exactly what you want to do
[06:10] <randabis> and a lot more
[06:10] <santiago> randabis, mmm :(
[06:10] <smouche> I can't play tunes via Samba from my windows network in gnome; what a drag; back to kubuntu till I install whatever I need for gnome...
[06:11] <calc> i think sox stat might tell you
[06:11] <randabis> people doing fresh installs of hoary might want to check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[06:11] <cartel_> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[06:11] <cartel_> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[06:11] <cartel_> :(
[06:12] <calc> yea it tells you length
[06:12] <calc> geppy: use sox filename -e stat
[06:12] <calc> cd
[06:12] <calc> oops
[06:12] <geppy> calc: Thanks!
[06:13] <calc> geppy: that also works for ogg files
[06:13] <hybrid> hello
[06:13] <randabis> hi
[06:13] <geppy> calc: _Much_ thanks! =D
[06:13] <calc> ogginfo gives other interesting data as well, but just for length sox will work for all the audio formats it supports
[06:13] <hybrid> randabis!! long time no see
[06:13] <geppy> Does sox do flac/mp3?
[06:14] <sal002> Where does Ubuntu pull in which window manager to use?  I want to make it open an eterm session with the window manager
[06:14] <andrewski> sal002: login to enlightenment from gdm?
[06:14] <randabis> hybrid: good to see you
[06:14] <smouche> I'm trying to switch users and start a kde session without ending this one, but when I switch to the new user I don't know how to start the gui, other than "startx", which of course won't work cause it's already running...
[06:14] <smouche> what do I do?
[06:15] <hybrid> randabis how is life treating you
[06:15] <sal002> andrewski: No just from startx
[06:15] <mak> I need to connect my PC to dial-up connection, and I don't know how....
[06:15] <mak> help
[06:15] <mak> ?
[06:15] <randabis> pretty well...I'm going to trucking school this monday...hehe
[06:15] <chavo> smouche, startx -- :1
[06:15] <randabis> I'll be back
[06:15] <chavo> will open a new display
[06:15] <andrewski> sal002: put the wm in your .xsession
[06:15] <randabis> just a minute
[06:15] <smouche> thanks chavo... trying that now...
[06:16] <mak> hello?
[06:16] <`1pt-rich> how do i install the 686 kernel instead of the 386 kernel?
[06:16] <mak> please...I need help
[06:16] <hybrid> randabis cool did you ever get that last job? man i havent been on in forever because my logic board broken and i tried to fix it alone for a week before i sent it to apple :P
[06:16] <mak> egh.
[06:16] <gratuit> sal002: if you use the .xsession approach then you havce to selesct "Default System Session" from gdm I believe
[06:17] <libben> what do i need to download to get totem to play my dvd movie?
[06:17] <sal002> Don't have GDM installed, yet
[06:17] <smouche> cool, chavo, that worked!  but it logged me into gnome; what I really wanted is a fresh log-in screen so the other user could log in to kde
[06:17] <libben> it says it supports it when i look on it in synaptic
[06:17] <gratuit> libben: totem-xine would be my advice
[06:18] <libben> gratuit, yeah it said soo...
[06:18] <chavo> smouche, you use gdm?
[06:18] <libben> but i cant find any totem-xine in synaptic
[06:18] <smouche> chavo. I think kubuntu is running the log-ins -- yes, I'm sure it is.
[06:18] <gratuit> sal002: well, then I think .xsession is used by startx now too
[06:18] <mak> um....what do I need to do to connect to the internet on my PC with dial-up? Can seomeone help?
[06:18] <smouche> kubuntu log-in wallpaper anyway
[06:19] <sal002> yep - it si
[06:19] <libben> how do i get synapt to find totem-xine
[06:19] <chavo> smouche, kubuntu uses kdm by default.
[06:19] <gratuit> libben: you would have to add the universe packages
[06:19] <smouche> yes, chavo; I installed gnome into kubuntu
[06:20] <hybrid> lol
[06:20] <gratuit> libben: you could try the script that someone pasted a little while back, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[06:20] <Dreamer3> wow
[06:20] <Dreamer3> fell asleep
[06:20] <Dreamer3> hoary is stil installing
[06:20] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[06:21] <mak> what program or something like that do I need to use to connect to my dial-up ISP?
[06:21] <Dreamer3> better be good
[06:21] <Dreamer3> mak: pppd?
[06:21] <mak> someone please help...
[06:21] <mak> pppd
[06:21] <mak> ?
[06:21] <mak> what's the command for that?
[06:21] <hybrid> Dreamer3 hoary is nice
[06:21] <hyphenated> I'd recommend kppp, for a newbie
[06:21] <Dreamer3> hybrid: i hope so
[06:21] <Xeon3D> bbiam
[06:21] <Dreamer3> hybrid: i woke up and it was asking me what to do with hdparm.conf....
[06:22] <Dreamer3> so now it's back into the install
[06:22] <mak> how do I get to kppp?
[06:22] <Dreamer3> mak: sudo apt-get install kppp?
[06:23] <smouche> sheesh, someone told me having both gnome and kde on one system would be easy, but it seems to be a pain in the ass ... I think I'll just do a full install of gnome hoary on another partition, while I make up my mind
[06:23] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:24] <mak> Dreamer3=my compy couldn't find "package kppp", are there any other alterntatives?
[06:24] <andrewski> smouche: what's so hard about it?
[06:24] <chavo> smouche, it's not that difficult
[06:24] <Dreamer3> mak: oh, maybe that isn't the name of it
[06:24] <Dreamer3> mak: use synaptic or aptitude and browse the kde packages
[06:24] <smouche> something's screwed up on my system.
[06:24] <mak> I don't have KDE I have Gnome
[06:24] <chavo> smouche, you're in KDE now?
[06:24] <mak> never bothered installing KDE
[06:24] <geppy> Any good GNOME Rss readers?  Preferably an applet, or a Gdesklet.
[06:24] <sal002> changing repositories from warty to hoary and doing an apt-get update ; apt-get upghrade should upgrade nicely to hoary?
[06:24] <geppy> *RSS
[06:25] <GhostFreeman> who runs two clocks on their GNOME?
[06:25] <geppy> GhostFreeman: Almost everyone, it's incredibly useful.
[06:25] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: straw or blam!
[06:25] <smouche> anyway, kde handles my touchpad very well, I get all kinds of errors from gnome; switching sessions is not working well, something's amiss
[06:25] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Thanks! =)
[06:25] <GhostFreeman> what you run for the second one, GMT or Internet time
[06:25] <chavo> I've got threee clocks!!!
[06:25] <geppy> GhostFreeman: GMT
[06:25] <Dreamer3> shessh
[06:26] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: haven't seen a decent gdesklet
[06:26] <GhostFreeman> I just set up an extra one for GMT
[06:26] <Dreamer3> getmail has been mailing me logs of it's results every 5 minutes, not what i had in mind
[06:26] <geppy> GhostFreeman: On the other hand, I have tons of friends in Northern Ireland, so it actually is damned useful.
[06:26] <`1pt-rich> how do i install the 686 kernel instead of the 386 kernel?
[06:26] <hyphenated> mak: so use gnome-ppp ?
[06:26] <cartel_> w00t! i have it all working
[06:26] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Eh, an applet is probably more useful, albeit less pretty. =)
[06:26] <smouche> I had no problems switching between xfce and kde...
[06:27] <andrewski> smouche: you should just stick with xfce and keep kde if you must. :P
[06:28] <smouche> Samba is no fuss no muss with my kde, but gnome is having problems with it; not laming gnome here, it just seems like there's a lot of extra configuring I have to do in gnome; didn't have these issues with gnome warty on another machine...
[06:28] <mak> hyphenated: where do I find gnome ppp?
[06:28] <smouche> "not blaming" I meant
[06:28] <Dreamer3> sheesh 12mb of mail
[06:28] <rodnarms> what is the best graphical ftp client to use?
[06:28] <hyphenated> mak: apt-cache search
[06:28] <geppy> rodnarms: gftp
[06:28] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: but then your feeds wouldn't be indexable by beagle :p
[06:29] <rodnarms> thanks geppy
[06:29] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: haha... Is Beagle possibly going to make it into Breezy?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[06:29] <geppy> rodnarms: No problem.
[06:29] <Dreamer3> upgrading debian takes FOREVER
[06:29] <hybrid> lol
[06:29] <hybrid> yes it does
[06:29] <sal002> okay - anyone running e17 from CVS?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> and i thought windows was bad
[06:29] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: depends on how the mono packaging situation resolves
[06:29] <hybrid> lol
[06:29] <Dreamer3> i was going to compare this to a XP SP2 install, but i think windows has it beat
[06:30] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Oh, yeah.
[06:30] <hybrid> Dreamer3 soooooooo many packages
[06:30] <blackdog2> Hello all. I have a strange issue with Hoary and CD mounting and unmounting. I'm trying to install using CVScedega and when I have to change disk, I usually right click EJECT. Its refusing to umount the drive. Worked fine the other day
[06:30] <andrewski> Dreamer3: try upgrading gentoo. :P
[06:30] <Dreamer3> hybrid: yeah lik 700/800 here
[06:30] <rodnarms> gftp=excellent. thanks again
[06:30] <ice_1963>  Release Candidate  is a new one ?????
[06:30] <Dreamer3> andrewski: gentoo doens't have "released" per se, does it?
[06:31] <rodnarms> another question. if you have updated ubuntu hoary, that means you are running the release candidate right?
[06:31] <andrewski> Dreamer3: well, it has different branches, but even still, if you go a week or two without re-emerging, it can be quite a pain, even for around 600 packages.  but, as you see, i'm on ubuntu now... and that's for a reason. :)
[06:32] <GhostFreeman> What's Ubuntu's plans for TCG?
[06:32] <andrewski> Dreamer3: branches == (roughly) "stable" and "current"
[06:32] <Dreamer3> andrewski: yes, i used gentoo long ago... back when i had more free time than sense
[06:32] <hybrid> Dreamer3 thing is tho when bemdy comes out i will update
[06:32] <andrewski> Dreamer3: well put, IMO. :)
[06:32] <andrewski> hybrid: bemdy?
[06:32] <sal002> Oh - is Sempron a K6 or K7 for the kernel?
[06:32] <Xira> andrewski, are you the same andrewski from neowin?
[06:32] <hybrid> **bendy
[06:32] <Dreamer3> andrewski: i credit it as the distro that "taught me" linux though
[06:32] <andrewski> hybrid: bendy? :P
[06:32] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yeah, me too.
[06:32] <hybrid> lol
[06:33] <zerokarmaleft> Dreamer3: same here
[06:33] <GhostFreeman> does Ubuntu have plans for TCG or is that a decision up to Debian?
[06:33] <andrewski> Xira: no.
[06:33] <Xira> wtf is TCG?
[06:33] <hybrid> andrewski yes accourding to tritium bendy is the next realse
[06:33] <GhostFreeman> Trusted Computing Group
[06:33] <hybrid> release**
[06:33] <andrewski> hybrid: ah, ok.  i heard it was grumpy?
[06:33] <Dreamer3> andrewski: so obviously it has it's place :)  and i worked on the firebird ebuild long long ago :)
[06:34] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yeah, i did appreciate the open user input for packages.  i wish ubuntu had that.
[06:34] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Are you running straw?  It doesn't properly resolve its dependencies, so I'm left with a "ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2", but installing gtkhtml2 doesn't actually fix that.
[06:34] <hybrid> andrewski idk i thought it was somethong else but i got talked out of it
[06:34] <rodnarms> is the candidate release for ubuntu the same as an ugraded hoary?
[06:34] <andrewski> hybrid: well, i heard it all on here, so who knows. :P
[06:34] <tritium> rodnarms, yes
[06:34] <andrewski> rodnarms: yes.
[06:34] <libben> i got error when i did that magical file for noobs
[06:34] <hybrid> lol
[06:34] <Dreamer3> andrewski: why?
[06:34] <libben> it seems like it updated my list file with universe and all that
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: ubuntu packages are mostly straight debian (except for main)
[06:35] <andrewski> Dreamer3: because there are packages not in universe that i wish were.
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: i tried straw back when i was still running warty, so can't relate
[06:35] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Oh, alright.  Thanks anyhow, Blam is working fine. =)
[06:35] <hybrid> how do i install an .deb package
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: i'm using blam! at the moment
[06:35] <hybrid> ie opera deb
[06:35] <rodnarms> great
[06:35] <blackdog2> dpkg -i name.deb
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: then becomse a debian package maintainer :)
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: and add the
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: and add them
[06:35] <rodnarms> id like to know when someday someone is going to build flash for ppc
[06:36] <hybrid> blackdog2: ok thanks does that work if it is already on my comp
[06:36] <andrewski> Dreamer3: that's not the easiest thing in the world to do, nor is making packages. :)
[06:36] <Burgundavia> andrewski: what packages?
[06:36] <Dreamer3> andrewski: making packages isn't hard once you get the hang of it... and cheating (for personal use) with checkinstall or simliar isn't hard at ALL
[06:36] <andrewski> Burgundavia: wmctrl, expocity, svg-utils, various other little things.
[06:36] <hybrid> rodnarms : we are a minority flash among other things arent available but with demand they wikk be ~sigh~
[06:37] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yeah, i've thought of using checkinstall for a theme i work on.
[06:37] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you'd learn more by actually packaging it :)
[06:37] <rodnarms> hybrid, where to I submist my request ;)
[06:37] <Burgundavia> andrewski: compile a complete list and email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:38] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Hrmm, do you know of any Atom readers?
[06:38] <andrewski> Dreamer3: true, but i haven't gotten it done yet. :P
[06:38] <Burgundavia> andrewski: I will see that they get added to the to do list
[06:38] <andrewski> Burgundavia: really.  that'd be great, thanks.
[06:38] <Dreamer3> sheesh, and still upgrading :(
[06:38] <Burgundavia> andrewski: no problem
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i'm starting to wonder
[06:38] <andrewski> Burgundavia: you a dev?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> andrewski: not really
[06:38] <dravine> good evening folks
[06:39] <hybrid> rodnarms : try macromedia's site ppc sites ppc channels and forums
[06:39] <zerokarmaleft> Dreamer3: is there a ubuntu-specific packaging guide?  or is following the debian guidelines good enough
[06:39] <Lathiat> is array-7 the preview release or something before?
[06:39] <andrewski> zerokarmaleft: debian guidelines are what i've been pointed to a number of times.
[06:39] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: none off the top of my head
[06:39] <Dreamer3> zerokarmaleft: well, i don't know that you can just get a package into ubuntu like that... you'd have to go through the debian process
[06:39] <GhostFreeman> is there anyway to author SWF files in Linux
[06:39] <dravine> does the update-manager seem a bit sluggish to anyone on 5.04?
[06:39] <Dreamer3> zerokarmaleft: unless your special and working on something non-debianish for main
[06:39] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Ah, nevermind, I think blogstreet.com will do the trick of converting for me. =)
[06:39] <Burgundavia> anybody who wants to see a package in ubuntu that isn't there, email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:40] <andrewski> corey.burger?
[06:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Beagle?
[06:40] <Burgundavia> geppy: already on the way
[06:40] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i'd like a package for the 2.0 kernel *laughs*
[06:40] <andrewski> heh
[06:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Into Universe?
[06:40] <randabis> I want a 2.7 kernel lolz
[06:40] <Burgundavia> geppy: almost certainly for breezy, the next release
[06:40] <blackdog2> Heh, fix wine in universe.. its borked
[06:40] <dravine> I got one
[06:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Awesome, thanks!
[06:40] <dravine> Opie
[06:40] <dravine> opie.handhelds.org
[06:40] <dravine> ;)
[06:40] <geppy> blackdog2: winehq provides Ubuntu debs
[06:40] <jsgotangco> Opie...
[06:41] <randabis> geppy beat me to it :/
[06:41] <andrewski> Burgundavia: corey.burger or corey.burge?
[06:41] <randabis> oh well
[06:41] <geppy> randabis: haha =)
[06:41] <dravine> jsgotangco, ill-fated?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> dravine: it just died a few months ago
[06:41] <ian> yay i installed ubuntu and itrs dual booting with xp
[06:41] <libben> any good irc client to recomend?
[06:41] <randabis> I'd like to see an UPDATED zsnes package personally
[06:42] <geppy> libben: irc?  Gaim?
[06:42] <jsgotangco> i used to be active in oz development
[06:42] <dravine> jsgotangco, that sucks man, I love my sl-5500
[06:42] <Burgundavia> andrewski: corey.burger
[06:42] <geppy> randabis: hahaha
[06:42] <andrewski> libben: xchat, irssi.
[06:42] <Jamminpotato> yay
[06:42] <andrewski> Burgundavia: ok, thanks.
[06:42] <randabis> konversation is good too :)
[06:42] <dravine> man, I should have removed open office before I did the update.
[06:42] <libben> gaim for irc? lol... using xchat now... i like it... if it werent for it clipping the end on some lines.. sometimes i dont see the last char in a line
[06:42] <andrewski> Burgundavia: do you want websites?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> andrewski: anything you can give me is good
[06:43] <andrewski> Burgundavia: okey-dokey.
[06:43] <dravine> xchat has never treated me badly
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> x chat = love
[06:43] <zerokarmaleft> randabis: ditto on zsnes
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> jamminpotato it my name-o and being a n00b is my gameo
[06:43] <libben> right now, i missed the "y" on dravines word badly
[06:43] <libben> y
[06:43] <libben> hmm
[06:43] <randabis> I like xchat, but I think I like konversation better
[06:44] <andrewski> randabis: but it uses Qt... blech.
[06:44] <randabis> I'm running kde, so go figure
[06:44] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmm
[06:44] <hybrid> irssi
[06:44] <Dreamer3> my drive spin-up-rate and g-sense-error's are changing
[06:44] <dravine> heh
[06:44] <Dreamer3> thinks that's bad?
[06:44] <dayson> hey how do I add mp3 support to ubuntu?
[06:44] <Fackamato> dayson: read the forums
[06:44] <andrewski> dayson: ubuntuguide.org has it too
[06:45] <randabis> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:45] <regeya_> I thought gstreamer had replaygain handling...
[06:45] <regeya_> guh.
[06:45] <libben> hmm... dvd is playing choppy... but not soo bad.
[06:46] <blackdog2> Hal is being used for the automounter correct?
[06:46] <andrewski> what's that expos-like task switcher that's not expocity?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> andrewski: *listens*
[06:47] <andrewski> Dreamer3: eh?
[06:47] <regeya_> oh heh...I don't think my files were all 'gained. :-}
[06:47] <tritium> libben, do you have dma enabled on your dvd drive?
[06:48] <libben> how do i check that?
[06:48] <tritium> libben, with hdparm
[06:48] <geppy> libben: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX
[06:48] <GhostFreeman> i'd like to see more audio players that aren't XMMS with a pretty skin
[06:49] <geppy> GhostFreeman: rhythmbox
[06:49] <Jamminpotato> ubuntu wont mount my usb thumbdrive...says it doesnt knwo the filesystem type and none is specified how wouldi fix that?
[06:49] <geppy> Jamminpotato: Find out the filesystem type?
[06:49] <zerokarmaleft> andrewski: luminocity?
[06:49] <libben> how do i check what hdX my dvd rom is?
[06:49] <demism_> anyone know how to change the duplex from half to full or vice versa?
[06:49] <Jamminpotato> geppy: i know that tiem but that doesnt hlep me box does it?
[06:49] <andrewski> zerokarmaleft: no, it's just a task switcher, not a whole WM.
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Is mplayer-686 in Hoary broken?
[06:49] <geppy> Jamminpotato: Help you box?
[06:49] <geppy> Jamminpotato: What?
[06:50] <geppy> Jamminpotato: find out the filesystem type, and I can give you the mount arguments.
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> its fat16
[06:50] <libben> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf
[06:50] <GhostFreeman> rhythmbox is ok but I'd like to see a freeform audio player in the likeness of Winamp 5
[06:50] <geppy> Jamminpotato: fat16?
[06:50] <libben> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc ??? is that right ? i put the c there hdc
[06:50] <blackdog2> libben: I never got totem to work right. I installed totem-xine. Works good for me
[06:50] <geppy> Jamminpotato: They make flash drives that are fat16 formatted?
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> geppy:rgr
[06:50] <zerokarmaleft> andrewski: but not expocity? hrmmm
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> im rpety sure
[06:50] <andrewski> zerokarmaleft: http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> its fat i know that much and im pretty usre its 16
[06:51] <libben> blackdog2, i have totem-xine installed...
[06:51] <geppy> Jamminpotato: mount -f vfat /dev/sda1 <mountpoint>
[06:51] <libben> but totem get launched automatic when i put the dvd in
[06:51] <geppy> Dreamer3: Don't count on it.
[06:51] <kurros> geppy: i'm not sure there are any that aren't
[06:51] <geppy> kurros: Eh?
[06:51] <geppy> Oh, releases that aren't worth it?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: *laughs*
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: why?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: warty was good
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: Oh, you're talking about stable Hoary.
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: I thought that you were talking about installing it now.
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: i'm installing it now :) it's RC
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: Yeah, Hoary is ber-sexy.
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: =)
[06:52] <geppy> 'night, all
[06:52] <Dreamer3> it's about the same as what everyone will get in a few days
[06:52] <blackdog2> Hoary works great )
[06:53] <Dreamer3> blackdog2: i swear it's been installing for like over an hour
[06:53] <XhyldazhK> Hi all... how do I compile the wxWindows package with gtk2 support enabled?
[06:53] <wastrel> hoary eh.
[06:53] <libben> it floats good now =) did /dev/hdc with parm
[06:54] <Dreamer3> blackdog2: no joke
[06:54] <libben> should i check that with hd too ? or is it enabled
[06:54] <andrewski> alright, nite all.
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> XhyldazhK: check with ./configure --help...it's probably --enable-gtk2
[06:54] <tritium> XhyldazhK, why build it when you can install it?
[06:54] <KisoY> !list
[06:54] <blackdog2> libben: do a search on the forums on how to make that permanent
[06:54] <Dreamer3> blackdog2: only time will tell
[06:54] <Jamminpotato> hmmm it still wont mount
[06:55] <Jamminpotato> and it s wierd cuase with the live cd it autmatically mounts
[06:55] <Jamminpotato> nVm
[06:55] <Jamminpotato> i got it to work
[06:55] <libben> blackdog2, make what perm? parm thing ?
[06:55] <libben> isnt this perm?
[06:55] <XhyldazhK> tritium: to make all my package dependencies solved
[06:55] <tritium> XhyldazhK, you can do that by installing the package.
[06:55] <XhyldazhK> zerokarmaleft: I tried that on the deb creation files and it gave me an error
[06:56] <XhyldazhK> tritium: the default one has ugly gtk1 windows, and I want gtk2 support
[06:56] <tritium> XhyldazhK, that also exists
[06:57] <XhyldazhK> tritium: where?
[06:57] <tritium> XhyldazhK, apt-cache search wxwindows and look for what you need
[06:57] <Jamminpotato> how do i run bin files in ubuntu
[06:57] <Jamminpotato> i tryed chmod +X
[06:57] <Jamminpotato> didnt work
[06:57] <XhyldazhK> tritium, there is a package with gtk2 support but its .so aren't accesed by default by wxpython and another wx apps like scorched3d
[06:58] <GhostFreeman> sudo before command
[06:58] <gabaug> for a couple weeks now on Hoary my system hangs for a fraction of a second (or a little more) while typing, moving the mouse, playing audio, etc ... it does this about every 10 seconds or more often ... any ideas?
[06:58] <johnnybezak> gabaug: type top in your terminal to see whats eating up the cpu
[06:58] <tritium> XhyldazhK, they're in universe (e.g. libwxgtk2.4)
[06:59] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I do have univers and multiverse added to my default apt-get settings
[06:59] <gabaug> johnnybezak: nothing is higher than about 18% (xorg)
[06:59] <johnnybezak> gabaug: even when the system slows
[06:59] <XhyldazhK> I've tried that packages, but I don't know how to get wxpython to use that wx instead of default wx
[07:00] <tritium> XhyldazhK, libwxgtk2.4-python
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> that sort of sounds like a dma issue also.
[07:00] <Jamminpotato> for repository adding, what is the url for the universe repository?
[07:00] <randabis> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <randabis> err
[07:01] <randabis> http://archive.ubuntu.com/hoary universe
[07:01] <wingsline> hello
[07:01] <Jamminpotato> randabis: thankyou
[07:02] <blackdog2> niteall
[07:02] <randabis> Jamminpotato: hold on
[07:02] <randabis> I told you wrong
[07:02] <dayson> how do I install a .bin file on my desktop?
[07:03] <randabis> Jamminpotato: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[07:03] <randabis> that's my universe line in sources.list
[07:03] <Dreamer3> bout time gedit got () hilighting
[07:03] <wezzer-> is hoary released?
[07:03] <Dreamer3> wezzer-: RC
[07:03] <randabis> wezzer-: release candidate 1 has been released
[07:03] <Jamminpotato> thak you
[07:03] <dayson> how do I install a .bin file on my desktop?
[07:03] <Dreamer3> randabis: how many release candidates you think they'd going to have in the next few days?
[07:04] <wezzer-> wow
[07:04] <GhostFreeman> How do I install Hoary RC?
[07:04] <randabis> Dreamer3: :p
[07:04] <tritium> GhostFreeman, what are you running now?
[07:04] <GhostFreeman> Warty
[07:04] <johnnybezak> change your soureces to hoary
[07:04] <Dreamer3> and the install ROLLS ON
[07:04] <Dreamer3> :-/
[07:04] <johnnybezak> then apt-get update
[07:04] <johnnybezak> apt-get upgrade
[07:05] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:05] <Jamminpotato> i cant find gstream-mad :(
[07:05] <tritium> GhostFreeman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:05] <Jamminpotato> i want my mp3s
[07:05] <randabis> johnnybezak: incorrect
[07:05] <johnnybezak> sorry then :)
[07:05] <randabis> GhostFreeman: use the url tritium provided
[07:05] <Jamminpotato> i added the universe repository, but it still isnt showing up
[07:05] <gabaug> johnnybezak: its really hard to figure that out...since it only hangs for so short a period
[07:05] <randabis> Jamminpotato: did you apt-get update?
[07:05] <GhostFreeman> ok, thanks
[07:05] <XhyldazhK> wny my nautilus-cdburner doesn't work?
[07:05] <dayson> how do I install a .bin file on my desktop?
[07:06] <johnnybezak> gabaug: hmm i can't help you then man
[07:06] <randabis> dayson: what are you trying to install?
[07:06] <GhostFreeman> is a reset required after installing Hoary or what
[07:06] <Jamminpotato> no... <noob> how do i use apt get</noob>
[07:06] <dayson> java runtime
[07:06] <Dreamer3> wow, and then it was done
[07:06] <tritium> XhyldazhK, you never replied.  did libwxgtk2.4-python work for you?
[07:06] <dayson> randabis, java RE
[07:06] <Dreamer3> but i still don't see a new kernel?
[07:06] <Jamminpotato> randabis: is it a terminal thing?
[07:06] <Dreamer3> shuldn't it have downloading the latest?
[07:07] <tritium> dayson, use java-package to make a .deb from that .bin
[07:07] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I'm over dialup, downloading the latest repository index
[07:07] <randabis> dayson: http://www.ubuntuguide.org explains how, or better yet, use java-package
[07:07] <dayson> tritium, I have no idea how to do that I'm new to linux
[07:07] <tritium> dayson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes (Method 2)
[07:07] <tritium> oops
[07:07] <difekta> any of you guys have trouble using dalnet?
[07:07] <difekta> i think they require identd or something.
[07:07] <tritium> dayson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java (Method 2)
[07:07] <tritium> XhyldazhK, that should do it for you.
[07:07] <Jamminpotato> randabis: ?
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> difekta,  yes they do.. or at least they did.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> difekta,  dalnet = SpambotNet last time i was on it.
[07:08] <randabis> Jamminpotato: yes, or use "reload" in synaptic
[07:08] <dayson> I downloaded java from their site like the guid says to do thats where I got it from
[07:08] <Jamminpotato> ok i did reload but it aint showing up
[07:08] <tritium> dayson, see the URL I gave you
[07:08] <randabis> Jamminpotato: check the repositories list in synaptic and make sure it is in there and checked
[07:08] <loonsy> need help with install
[07:09] <Jamminpotato> randabis: it is checked
[07:09] <Jamminpotato> and there
[07:09] <loonsy> worked out the sata problem, but now it hangs when probing usb
[07:09] <circlejtp> having problem with WMP54g wireless card
[07:09] <circlejtp> installed ndiswrapper
[07:09] <circlejtp> latest driver from linksys
[07:09] <circlejtp> (V2 by the way)
[07:09] <randabis> Jamminpotato: are you looking for a particular package?
[07:09] <circlejtp> ndiswrapper shows driver present but no hardware present
[07:10] <tritium> dayson, you're set with those instructions?
[07:10] <circlejtp> ideas?  lspci shows the card
[07:10] <XhyldazhK> what is ndiswrapper?
[07:10] <tritium> XhyldazhK, apt-cache show ndiswrapper to find out
[07:10] <XhyldazhK> ndis sounds like something from the windows architecture
[07:10] <randabis> ndiswrapper is a wrapper that allows you to use windows network drivers in linux
[07:10] <johnnybezak> ndiswrapper uses binary windows drivers
[07:10] <johnnybezak> in linux
[07:10] <Jamminpotato> randabis: yes i am, its gstreamer - mad - 0.8 i believe
[07:11] <Hmmmm> hi guys i need some help
[07:11] <randabis> Jamminpotato: gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:11] <Dreamer3> um
[07:11] <randabis> that package is in main I thought
[07:11] <Jamminpotato> randabis:yes
[07:11] <Hmmmm> i sorta messed up my apt in warty
[07:11] <Dreamer3> now i've got "unauthenticated packages" error
[07:11] <Dreamer3> whats the dealy?
[07:11] <Jamminpotato> randabis: its not showing up
[07:11] <XhyldazhK> johnnybezak: theoretically you could crosss compile a network driver to windows and test it with ndiswrapper?
[07:11] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe
[07:11] <randabis> ah
[07:11] <tritium> apt-cache policy is your friend ;)
[07:12] <Hmmmm> tritium, can u help me pls
[07:12] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[07:12] <randabis> well I don't really use the gnome stuff much anymore :p
[07:12] <tritium> Hmmmm, I'll try.  With what?
[07:12] <Hmmmm> i sorta messed up my apt in warty
[07:12] <circlejtp> i am running hoary
[07:12] <Hmmmm> i need to get it going again
[07:12] <Hmmmm> here's what i did
[07:12] <Hmmmm> i needed to reinstall
[07:12] <Dreamer3> should i assume hoary will work just fine with the old ubuntu kernel?
[07:12] <johnnybezak> XhyldazhK: sorry man that question is a bit out of my league :)
[07:12] <tritium> Dreamer3, it will work
[07:12] <Hmmmm> so i backed up my /etc/apt/
[07:13] <Hmmmm> and dumped it back after reinstalling
[07:13] <Hmmmm> and now the drasted thing wont work
[07:13] <randabis> Dreamer3: that's strange, it should have installed the new kernel..you did dist-upgrade right?
[07:13] <Hmmmm> tritium, what should i do?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> randabis: yep
[07:13] <tritium> Hmmmm, what errors are you getting?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> regeya_: guess the new kernel isn't in ubuntu-destop?
[07:14] <Hmmmm> Err http://getsweaaa.com ./ Packages
[07:14] <Hmmmm>   Could not connect to getsweaaa.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (113 No route to host
[07:14] <randabis> it "should" be
[07:14] <Hmmmm> stuff like this
[07:14] <Hmmmm> "113 no route to host"
[07:14] <Dreamer3> randabis: so now i have hoary stuck in a (almost said dos) prompt with no new kernel :)
[07:14] <boopers1234> anyone use the elinks text web browser?
[07:14] <tritium> Hmmmm, that URL appears to be down
[07:15] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I do have libwxgtk2.4 installed... that should mean that wx-enabled apps like VLC should look like GNOME apps, but they do look like GTK1/GNOME1 apps...
[07:15] <Dreamer3> hmmmm, wonders if his "development branch" login will change once it's out
[07:15] <johnnybezak> boopers1234: i use links sometimes
[07:15] <tritium> XhyldazhK, libwxgtk2.4-python
[07:15] <randabis> Dreamer3: well, the old kernel should work, but you can get the new one if you want
[07:15] <boopers1234> i got the 2.7 kernel complete
[07:15] <Hmmmm> tritium, where can i get a working sources.list?
[07:15] <tritium> Hmmmm, comment that repo out for now
[07:16] <randabis> you do realize 2.7 is a development kernel?
[07:16] <boopers1234> got a 34% increase in I/O
[07:16] <Hmmmm> tritium, all the repos are giving the same error
[07:16] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I'm not so interested in python apps but in that all my wx apps look antialiased like gtk2 apps
[07:17] <gruph> does anyone know of a place I can get an ETHEREAL package for Ubuntu 5.04?
[07:17] <tritium> XhyldazhK, I don't think VLC has gtk2, actually
[07:17] <Dreamer3> gruph: universe?
[07:17] <gruph> what's universe?
[07:17] <tritium> gruph, did you apt-cache search for it?
[07:17] <Dreamer3> ah better
[07:17] <XhyldazhK> tritium: vlc uses wx
[07:18] <tritium> gruph, it's in universe
[07:18] <mak> so, I've got a network connection set up, with my ISP number, but how do I log onto the internet now? I used gnome ppp to do it.
[07:18] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I will try with scorched3d that I'm sure it uses wx
[07:18] <Hmmmm> tritium, can i borrow ur sources.list?
[07:19] <mak> hello?
[07:19] <gruph> tritium: I'm not familiar with universe.  What is that?
[07:19] <XhyldazhK> tritium: scorched3d showed gtk1 widgets :(
[07:19] <mak> can someone heloo me?
[07:19] <mak> *help
[07:20] <mpt> mak: How did you launch gnome-ppp? I tried to do that but got "command not found"
[07:20] <gruph> tritium: nevermind.. i think I got it :)  thanks you guys.
[07:20] <demism_> are the ubuntu mirrors currently slow?
[07:21] <Dreamer3> demism_: prolly :)
[07:21] <tritium> XhyldazhK, vlc depends on wxvlc, which in turn depends on libwxgtk2.5.3
[07:21] <mak> mpt:um, it's under system config, i think, and you click network
[07:21] <Hmmmm> can anyone please lend a desperate man a sources.list?
[07:21] <Dreamer3> demism_: try torrent :)
[07:21] <tritium> Hmmmm, I'm not running Warty.
[07:21] <Hmmmm> ic
[07:21] <e_machinist> Is the Debian installation process still pretty brutal?
[07:22] <mak> I got my network connection set up, now what do I do to just log onto the net, with my ISP number? what program do I use?
[07:22] <dravine> ubuntu install process is really easy
[07:22] <randabis> e_machinist: depends on what branch you install
[07:22] <mpt> mak: Well then, you and I have the same problem :-)
[07:22] <Hmmmm> tritium, hopw can i unintsall apt-get and reinstall it?
[07:22] <randabis> e_machinist: the ubuntu installer is based on the debian sarge installer
[07:22] <e_machinist> dravine:  not Ubuntu distro, I was pondering the original Debian.
[07:22] <mak> I guess so...
[07:22] <gardio1> Hello anyone know how to get sound to work in java?
[07:23] <tritium> Hmmmm, I wouldn't do that
[07:23] <Hmmmm> ok
[07:23] <dravine> I stopped pondering it last time they released a new version
[07:23] <mak> can someone help <mpt> and I connect to the net?
[07:23] <e_machinist> randabis: ahh, the sarge installer... is the sarge installer in Woody 3.0r4?
[07:23] <Hmmmm> lemme see what i can do
[07:23] <mak> what program do I use?
[07:23] <Hmmmm> thanks for ur advice, tritium
[07:23] <randabis> e_machinist: no. you don't want woody anyway
[07:23] <mak> I got my ISP and network stuff set up
[07:23] <tritium> Hmmmm, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:23] <foden> after doing an update on hoary, the graphical login will no longer show
[07:23] <randabis> woody is older than dirt
[07:23] <foden> ive tried doin a dist-upgrade
[07:24] <mpt> mak: Did you read and follow <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto>?
[07:24] <geneo93> mak try pon in terminal
[07:24] <foden> but it still doesnt load
[07:24] <e_machinist> randabis: I know, I use ubuntu. Just out of curiousity though, what is the newest version of Debian?
[07:24] <tritium> good night randabis
[07:24] <demism_> Dreamer I can't torrent
[07:24] <geneo93> mpt no he didn't
[07:24] <demism_> the university doesn't allow it
[07:24] <randabis> e_machinist: "unstable" (sid) has the newest packages
[07:24] <mak> geneo93: when I tried pon I got a "only members of the 'dip' group can use this comand"
[07:25] <tritium> see you around geneo93
[07:25] <demism_> if I use torrent do I have to serve also?
[07:25] <e_machinist> Ahh, I see.
[07:25] <geneo93> tritium:  nite
[07:25] <randabis> demism_: yes
[07:25] <mpt> geneo93: I tried pon, and it finished, and appeared to do nothing
[07:26] <demism_> yeah so i can't use them
[07:26] <demism_> what are some other ubuntu mirrors?
[07:26] <geneo93> mpt did you follow instrutions to a t
[07:26] <randabis> the website has a mirror list iirc
[07:26] <demism_> i have no gui installed atm
[07:26] <mak> mpt
[07:26] <mpt> mak: Well I know how to fix *that* particular problem ... at the terminal do "sudo pppconfig", then at the end of creating/changing your connection, in "Advanced options" add yourself to the list of users who can connect
[07:26] <mak> when I do the sudo pppconfig
[07:27] <randabis> you don't have to have a gui to surf the web
[07:27] <mak> after leaving the little thing saing provider, it asks for my IP number
[07:27] <geneo93> mak then its not setup right
[07:28] <mpt> geneo93: Yes. It didn't auto-detect my modem port, though.
[07:28] <geneo93> mpt mine didn't either
[07:28] <mak> geneo93: well, I guess it's not setup right....what are my other options?
[07:29] <geneo93> and it dont do winmodems
[07:29] <foden> does anyone know why i can use VNC to show my desktop, but not see it on my tv
[07:29] <DigiKill> im loookin for a warty knowledgeable person : does one exist right now at this time of day?
[07:29] <foden> my tv allows the terminals (crl+alt+f1) to show
[07:29] <mak> I already did a network thing, where I have m ISP number set up and everyting, now how do I just log onto the net?
[07:29] <mak> what program do I use?
[07:30] <geneo93> mak i told you pon
[07:30] <mpt> mak: or "Modem Monitor", which you can add to your panel by right-clicking on it
[07:30] <DigiKill> mak : you are on the "net"
[07:30] <mpt> but neither of those work for me
[07:30] <geneo93> mak try sudo pon
[07:30] <Krys_> Hello, Anyone around
[07:30] <mak> I'm on the net on my laptop, I need it for my PC
[07:31] <Krys_> I am having a problem In ubuntu with the keyboard, when I use the question mark key, it gives me this:  and when i use some other keys, it mixes them up. How do I fix this
[07:31] <DigiKill> bmon is always fun to look at : i never did find a full IP Addy finding applet for Ubuntu atm.....
[07:32] <mak> wow, it say "in file /et/ppp/peers/provider"unrecognized option'/dev/modem'"
[07:32] <mak> */ect
[07:32] <DigiKill> Krys_: sounds like a "KB" issue : perhaps its not set to your native
[07:32] <DigiKill> *country
[07:32] <mak> that'swhat happened when I did sudo pon
[07:33] <geneo93> mak then you have wrong type modem
[07:33] <mak> mpt: how do I get to modem moniter?
[07:33] <mak> really?
[07:33] <Krys_> hmm.. its a us english keyboard.. and thats what I set it to be.. im confused
[07:33] <mak> dang!
[07:33] <DigiKill> mak: dialup modem?
[07:33] <Krys_> can I pm you DigiKill
[07:33] <mak> yes.
[07:33] <i3dmaster> dpkg -S /etc/inittab could not find which package this file is from. How to find out?
[07:33] <DigiKill> mak : that's beyond me : me n dialup modems and linux never mixed well
[07:33] <geneo93> mak need to knwo if its a hardware modem or winmodem
[07:33] <mak> Digikill: yes, it'ws a dialup, and does that mean I have to get a diff modem?
[07:34] <DigiKill> Krys : i'd prefer it to stay out here ;)
[07:34] <dravine> later people :)
[07:34] <mak> um, I am pretty sure i'ts not a winmodem
[07:34] <DigiKill> that way at least someone else may be able to help ;)
[07:34] <Dreamer3> ok, now X doesn't work... well it works, but whenever it exits my LCD is left in a "not usable" state...ie, bad signal or something and i have to reboot (ctrl-alt-del works, so the system is still awake)
[07:34] <DigiKill> cuz im no Ubuntu Guru
[07:34] <mak> geneo93: I'm pretty sure it's not a winmodem
[07:34] <Dreamer3> any ideas?
[07:34] <Krys_> i dont understand why it doesnt work
[07:34] <Krys_> it looks like its set correctly
[07:34] <Krys_> its a regular qwerty keyboard
[07:35] <geneo93> mak is it a external or internal modem
[07:35] <helio7> Krys_: what is it that's malfunctioning with your keyboard?
[07:35] <mak> internal, meaning i't's connected to the motherboard inside the comp
[07:35] <robl^> Dreamer3: if X stops.. Try Control+Backspace instead of rebooting
[07:35] <Krys_> i type the question mark key and i get  and I type shift 6 and i get ? instead of the upper arrow
[07:35] <Akira> is the keyboard in a differernt mode
[07:35] <geneo93> mak make and model
[07:35] <Akira> i know how to fix
[07:36] <helio7> Krys and you haven't enabled any 2ndary langages under keyboard settings?
[07:36] <Akira> sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:36] <mak> geneo93: it's a PCTel INc
[07:36] <Krys_> not that I know of
[07:36] <Dreamer3> robl^: x isn't stopping, i'm naturally existing, but it leads my video in an unknown state instead of returning me to text mode
[07:36] <Akira> under keyboard settings
[07:36] <Krys_> i *just* installed ubuntu, first time using it
[07:36] <mak> HSP MicroModem 56
[07:36] <Krys_> k let me look
[07:36] <Akira> change the ca to a us
[07:36] <Akira> i have that modem
[07:36] <robl^> Dreamer3: odd, that is a new one to me.
[07:36] <Akira> havent got working under linux though
[07:36] <mak> Akira: is it a winmodem?
[07:36] <helio7> Krys preferences>keyboard>Layouts
[07:36] <mak> do ouknow?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> robl^: great :(
[07:37] <Akira> yup
[07:37] <mak> no no no
[07:37] <Krys_> yeah, I know where the keyboard preferences are.. it says us english
[07:37] <Akira> sorry to break the news to you
[07:37] <mak> that means, it's impossible....
[07:37] <mak> egh.
[07:37] <Akira> maybe those win modem drivers work with it
[07:37] <helio7> and under model krys what does it say?
[07:37] <mak> when can I get a driver for it?
[07:37] <Krys_> microsoft internet keyboard
[07:37] <mak> i mean
[07:37] <Akira> under xorg.conf you must change the settings for keyboard
[07:37] <mak> where
[07:37] <helio7> Krys and that's what it is?
[07:38] <geneo93> mak go here http://pctelcompdb.sourceforge.net/
[07:38] <Dreamer3> man, hard to access anything without firefox, can anyone help
[07:38] <Krys_> yes that's the keyboard i'm using.. omg.. suddenly. ? works
[07:38] <Krys_> I think I did something good?
[07:38] <helio7> Krys_: woot
[07:38] <Wass|> hello
[07:38] <Krys_> well, I'm smart, but I donno what I did haha!
[07:38] <Akira> yaa
[07:38] <cg0def> alsa from apt does not support echo indigo and I have to recompile it in order to get it working. How do I do that withour breaking any packages?\
[07:38] <geneo93> mpt now what was your problem
[07:39] <i3dmaster> dpkg -S /etc/inittab could not find which package this file is from. How to find out?
[07:39] <helio7> Krys_: oh well; hopefully it will stay fixed! (=
[07:39] <Krys_> I hope so too!! Thanks for the help guys :)
[07:39] <mak> geneo93: thank you
[07:39] <mak> but I don't know which file do DL
[07:39] <geneo93> yes np
[07:39] <mak> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/
[07:40] <kpeterson> I plugged a USB flash drive in and Ubuntu detected it fine.  Two questions: is there anything I have to do before removing it? Like unmounting it?  And secondly where do I access it in the filesystem
[07:40] <geneo93> do you know what model it is
[07:40] <mpt> geneo93: It's a Toshiba laptop with an internal modem. I doubt very much that it's a winmodem, since the laptop belongs to a certain Mr Shuttleworth. pppon does nothing; it just returns a prompt. pppconfig fails to detect the modem port.
[07:40] <geneo93> it just pon
[07:40] <mpt> er, sorry, I meant pon.
[07:40] <cg0def> kpeterson: you have to unmount it so that you are sure that all the data was written to it
[07:41] <Wass|> I installed Hoary 5.04 candidate.  Kylix Open Edition doesn't open correctly, It maximize everything and it's impossible to work inside it. Anyone knows about this problem ?  * just for fun, I installed it on another PC and upgraded everything with synaptics; the problem remains
[07:41] <cg0def> kpeterson: it's under /media/<something>
[07:41] <Akira> mpt: maybe a grep /proc/pci?
[07:41] <kpeterson> cg0def: how do I unmount it?
[07:41] <Akira> hmm cancel that idea
[07:42] <geneo93> did pppconfig find it or did you choose it mpt
[07:42] <mak> Everyone: good night.
[07:42] <mak> I will see about buing a better modem tomorrow
[07:42] <Akira> find the settings for the modem...
[07:42] <mpt> geneo93: I chose /dev/modem, but that didn't work, and neither did /dev/ttyS1.
[07:42] <mak> ttyl, thnx for your help geneo and akira
[07:42] <Dreamer3> ok
[07:42] <Akira> then manually type in pppconfig
[07:42] <mak> and mpt
[07:42] <geneo93> mak get an external serial modem
[07:43] <demism_> so has anyone done apt-get lately, are the repos slow?
[07:43] <Krys_> Quick question, how do I mount my windows partitions?
[07:43] <mak> external serial?
[07:43] <DigiKill> sorry i couldlnt help ya mak
[07:43] <mak> are they  expensive?
[07:43] <DigiKill> i wish i COULD :P
[07:43] <geneo93> yes usb ones are mostly winmodems
[07:43] <Hayden> Krys_: there is a section on, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:43] <Wass|> =/
[07:43] <mak> sall good Digi
[07:43] <DigiKill> but modems and linux and me have always fought like cats n dogs
[07:43] <cg0def> kpeterson: you should be able to right click on the icon and go to unmount drive
[07:43] <Krys_> thanks for the link
[07:43] <mak> lol
[07:43] <geneo93> mal 35 bucks
[07:43] <mpt> Akira: Sorry, find the settings how? By opening the case? :-)
[07:43] <cg0def> kpeterson: that's the easiest way
[07:43] <mak> ok
[07:43] <rinnan> Wow this is frustrating.  Does anyone here know hwo to install a newly compiled kernel into Ubuntu?
[07:43] <geneo93> mak i meant
[07:44] <DigiKill> hence I love NIC w. Linux distros
[07:44] <DigiKill> ;)
[07:44] <mak> so external serial, and it connects in USB drives?
[07:44] <kpeterson> cg0def thank you very much
[07:44] <cg0def> np
[07:44] <Akira> mpt: um maybe in device settings
[07:44] <Akira> mpt: i mean manager
[07:44] <geneo93> no it connects to serial port
[07:44] <mak> hOK
[07:44] <mpt> hmmm
[07:44] <Wass|> nothing about kylix problemes ?
[07:44] <mak> ok
[07:44] <Akira> i remember a cat /proc/pci or something let me see what was connected
[07:45] <mak> are there other types of modems that aren't winmodems taht I shouldn't get?
[07:45] <rinnan> nevermind finally found the magic words for google, and the howto page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> hmmmm, weird aptitude says i'm holding back a newr version of xorg
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> well, not a tragic failure, but FAR from a great success
[07:46] <geneo93> mak the best there is diamond supra express
[07:46] <mak> ok
[07:46] <mak> why is it the best?
[07:46] <mak> is it jus tmost compatible?
[07:46] <mpt> Akira: There's a /proc/bus/pci/devices which is full of hex numbers
[07:47] <demism_> can someone check to see if the apt repositories are slow
[07:47] <geneo93> hardware wise allows to phone lines and caan do shotgun double connections
[07:47] <mak> awesome
[07:47] <mak> hOK, ttyl.
[07:47] <corza> can someone help me out with sharing my printer
[07:47] <mak> thanks for the help.
[07:47] <geneo93> 10kb/s down
[07:47] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: if the ISP supports that, who does?
[07:47] <mpt> Akira: ... and /proc/bus/pci/00 and /proc/bus/pic/01 which contain binary files
[07:47] <kpeterson> corza what version are you using
[07:48] <geneo93> ppl pc does
[07:48] <corza> kpeterson: what do u mean what version?
[07:48] <kpeterson> corza hoary or warty
[07:48] <Akira> mpt: hmm, sorry, it was a long time ago when i had to find my serial port for my modem
[07:48] <corza> kpeterson: hoary
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: um, i find that hard to believe :)
[07:48] <Akira> mpt: it turned out to be ttyS14
[07:48] <Akira> which is strange
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: you can't even connect without their priorietary sofware
[07:48] <geneo93> Dreamer3 i know my way around
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: ah
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: you must
[07:49] <corza> kpeterson: my windows computer can see that the printer is there and it has all the drivers & everything installed.. but it says access denied to the printer
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: the people pc techs said you couldn't
[07:49] <geneo93> deam thats funny i'm seem to be doing just fine here
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: so you need two accounts with the isp, no?  they don't let you use two lines for free
[07:49] <mpt> Akira: S14? yeow, I hope mine's not S87 or something, or trial-and-error could take a while
[07:49] <geneo93> no
[07:49] <kpeterson> corza did you modify  /etc/samba/smb.conf?
[07:50] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: no what?
[07:50] <Akira> mpt: yeah, if thats your last resort, as long as you know its not a winmodem
[07:50] <corza> kpeterson: in so many ways :p
[07:50] <denman> hey has anyone had anyluck with the intell compilers installer on umbuntu
[07:50] <geneo93> you dont need two accounts
[07:50] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: um ok :)
[07:50] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: they just let you tie up two lines for free?
[07:51] <geneo93> Dreamer3 in fact i got kppp working with it also
[07:51] <hey> what is latest ubuntu kernel
[07:51] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: good for you :)
[07:51] <geneo93> hey 2.6.10-5
[07:51] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: can you still buy those modems?
[07:51] <mpt> Akira: So in Device Manager will the modem be inside "PCI Bridge"? I see the wireless card in there, and the ethernet card, and and "unknown device"
[07:52] <kpeterson> corza how did you change the [printers]  part
[07:52] <hey> is there ati 3d support?
[07:52] <geneo93> Dreamer3 on ebay
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: ah
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: need to see if it'll work with earthlink
[07:52] <geneo93> i found one for 5 bucks new in box
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: they charge us extra when we log in twice, so i assume we'd need 2 accounts
[07:52] <geneo93> Dreamer3 i can help you so it would
[07:53] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: what magic setup is there?
[07:53] <Akira> mpt: try a sudo cat /proc/tty
[07:53] <hey> what does "preview" version mean?
[07:53] <geneo93> Dreamer3 best way to check that is goto a friends while your connected and try to log in from there
[07:54] <Krys_> is there a default password for admin when installing ubuntu?
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: yeah, works find and earthlink bills me
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: for overage
[07:54] <geneo93> Krys_:  no
[07:54] <hey> is it full version? beta?
[07:54] <mpt> Akira: that's a directory containing driver/, drivers, ldisc/, and ldiscs
[07:54] <geneo93> u use sudo
[07:54] <i3dmaster> Anyone knows what default runlevel is in ubuntu?
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> man i need something to eat BAD
[07:54] <denman> krys use sudo
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> brb
[07:54] <Krys_> oh ok
[07:55] <Akira> mpt: sorry, um did you ever try a cat /proc/pci
[07:55] <kpeterson> corza I gotta head out, I doubt I would have been much use.  Good luck!
[07:55] <Akira> mpt: my comp doesnt have anything in the pci slots
[07:55] <mpt> Akira: /proc/pci doesn't exist
[07:56] <denman> hey it is sorta above a beta i think, it is well on the road to release
[07:56] <Dreamer3_> denman: *laughs*
[07:56] <Akira> mpt: ubuntu must be newer than my linux 2.2 router
[07:56] <mpt> hey: beta
[07:56] <hey> will it be supported?
[07:57] <e_machinist> If I want to install Quake 3 Arena, do I download the .run file from the idsoftware FTP site?
[07:58] <mpt> Akira: Quite possibly :-)
[07:58] <corza> can anyone help me with sharing my printer?
[07:58] <Hmmmm> can someone please share their warty sources.list with me?
[07:59] <hey> is ubuntu fast?
[07:59] <Akira> mpt: maybe a cat /proc/devices
[07:59] <denman> hey depends, it isnt bad with mine
[07:59] <corza> hey: thats a bit of a crappy question dont u think? shouldnt it be is my computer fast?
[08:00] <hey> is kde available?
[08:00] <ubu> What's the default runlevel in ubuntu?
[08:00] <corza> hey: kde is available, but default is gnome.. which most prefer because of its ease of use
[08:00] <hey> can you use vanilla kernels?
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> yes and yes
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> kubuntu and why
[08:01] <mpt> Akira: Well, here's about 20 character devices and half a dozen block devices
[08:01] <mpt> s/here/there/
[08:01] <corza> hey: go and download it and find out
[08:02] <hey> is it better than xandros/
[08:02] <mpt> Akira: None of them look obviously modem-related, though what's obvious to others isn't always obvious to me
[08:02] <corza> hey: WAY YES i have used xandros before and i still have the cd
[08:02] <Drews_Blunted> hello
[08:02] <Drews_Blunted> im # 420
[08:02] <Drews_Blunted> :-P
[08:02] <corza> hey: Xandros is so slow compared to Ubuntu
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> does anyone know how to install nvidia drivers in the new hedgehod release
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> exactly the same way you did for warty
[08:03] <Wass|> im sorry to bother but I really need to make kylix works on ubuntu .. I can't find anything on google concerning this probleme
[08:03] <Wass|> =/
[08:03] <hey> xorg 6.8?
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> yea
[08:03] <corza> hey: Ubuntu Hoary uses xorg and Warty uses xfree
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> its not working for me at all
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> yea
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> how come i cant install the nvidia drivers the normal way
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> it cant find my kernel-source but its installed
[08:04] <Wass|> xorg could cause kylix working incorrectly ?
[08:04] <hey> coz ur blunted out
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> uhh
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> no its not cause im blunted out
[08:05] <e_machinist> What is the fundamental difference between XFree86 and Xorg?
[08:05] <Hmmmm> hey corza can you pls help me lil?
[08:05] <hey> backwards compatibility?
[08:06] <chavo> Drews_Blunted, you have to got to /usr/src and decompress the kernel source.
[08:06] <Wass|> xorg allows opacity on opened windows
[08:06] <geneo93> chavo it doesn't need that
[08:07] <Burgundavia> e_machinist: xfree86 had some licensing and development issues
[08:07] <Drews_Blunted> chavo, k
[08:07] <Burgundavia> e_machinist: so it was decided to fork the code and start xorg
[08:07] <e_machinist> And Xorg does not apparently.
[08:07] <geneo93> Burgundavia:  yeah it sucks
[08:07] <e_machinist> Burgundavia, I see... very interesting.... how come XFree86 seems to work for more people in general?
[08:08] <geneo93> e_machinist:  it old hat
[08:08] <Drews_Blunted> how can i find out what kernel im running
[08:08] <Drews_Blunted> or what kernel does hoary use as default
[08:09] <Drews_Blunted> 2.6.9?
[08:09] <fabbione> 2.6.10
[08:09] <chavo> Drews_Blunted, uname -r
[08:09] <fabbione> uname -a
[08:09] <e_machinist> geneo93, "it old hat"... what now?
[08:09] <geneo93> the last five years it been a fight between devolopers so they finally split thank god
[08:09] <SiRrUs> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686
[08:09] <mpt> Akira: Thanks for your help anyway, I'll keep googling
[08:10] <e_machinist> Yah, developers split a lot on issues.
[08:10] <geneo93> thats why xorg is so much better
[08:11] <e_machinist> Hmm... better despite some difficulties people have with it.
[08:11] <SiRrUs> e_machinist what difficulties
[08:11] <geneo93> ahh it the same struggle with xfree if you dont know what your doing
[08:11] <helio7> The ubuntu-love channel is most active on Thursdays right?
[08:12] <geneo93> helio7:  its the most active irc period
[08:12] <e_machinist> geneo93, agreed. I have had zero trouble with either XFree86 or Xorg... I count my blessings.
[08:13] <hey> damnit i have to install ubuntu now
[08:13] <helio7> geneo93: you're saying that Thursday is the most active period for the #ubuntu-love channel correct?
[08:13] <geneo93> hey:  get hoary
[08:14] <e_machinist> Wait for the hoary stable to come out.
[08:14] <eyequeue> i'm trying to look up some info with the various tools available at the commandline, but can't seem to ask correctly, maybe someone here can help
[08:14] <aod> how do you use gcc in ubunto?
[08:14] <Wass|> I think I dont have the choice, i'll downgrade to Warty
[08:14] <geneo93> helio7:  no i'm saying its the busiest channel anytime
[08:14] <eyequeue> how do i get the system to tell me how to spell "lassai-faire"?
[08:15] <MacPlusG3> aod: the same way you do everywhere. there's nothing special about ubuntu and gcc
[08:15] <aod> it says command not found though
[08:15] <eyequeue> aspell and dict don;t seem to be of help
[08:15] <geneo93> eyequeue:  frenck aspell
[08:15] <geneo93> french
[08:15] <eyequeue> geneo93:  um, how do i invoke that?