[00:04] <jak2000> sarnold, teward: ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096
[00:04] <jak2000> this files was generated: http://pastie.org/10517125
[00:04] <jak2000> wich copy to remote server?
[00:05] <sarnold> jak2000: id_rsa.pub
[00:05] <sarnold> jak2000: you'd save it as ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[00:06] <sarnold> jak2000: normally you want to append these public keys to the authorized_keys, to keep any that you already have stored there
[00:06] <jak2000> in the remote server?
[00:06] <sarnold> jak2000: the ssh-copy-id program automates this
[00:06] <sarnold> jak2000: yes
[00:06] <jak2000> ok
[00:09] <jak2000> sarnold, create the file without password right?
[00:09] <teward> if you don't want to provide a password then yes
[00:09] <sarnold> jak2000: yeah, for automated backup systems that's probably best
[00:09] <teward> i have a few ssh keys that i use for passwordless autosyncs of data :)
[00:10] <sarnold> jak2000: you can jump through some hoops to run an ssh-agent that works for cron, but it's a big hassle.
[00:10] <jak2000> isnt dangerous?
[00:10] <jak2000> without password?
[00:10] <sarnold> slightly dangerous, yes
[00:11] <sarnold> but your id_rsa key is mode 600 in a directory that is mode 700 -- it's a bit safer than a password in a shell script in /usr/local/bin :)
[01:43] <sallon> Hello
[01:46] <sallon> There are peapol know move pilote graphique ? i work in ubuntu 14.04  and i run in driver i915
[01:53] <sallon> but my real pilot for my hardware is the i965, i have download and setup package i965 jessie debian. All depandency are successfull
[01:54] <sallon> i would like to know if modprobe work for disable and enabel after reboot system ?
[01:57] <sarnold> sallon: if you need to load a module after every reboot, /etc/modules or /etc/modules-load.d/ might help you
[02:01] <sallon> sarnold yes know but i would like to confirm of dev or user have successfull avec ubuntu 14.04
[02:01] <sallon> sarnold yes know but i would like to confirm of dev or user have successfull with ubuntu 14.04
[02:04] <sallon> sarnold thank you for your time readen
[02:06] <nbros652> anyone know how to get /usr/bin/beep to work from a udev script?
[02:07] <nbros652> It works just fine when I run the script manually. The script runs just fine when run by udev, but it fails to beep the pc speaker.
[02:14] <shauno> nbros652: modprobe pcspkr and try again?
[02:15] <shauno> I believe if that's not loaded, 'beep' will default to just echoing ^G to the terminal, which does the traditional beep - but won't work if the parent process doesn't own a terminal
[02:21] <shauno> nbros652: failing that, man beep and check out the section 'ioctl wackiness', there's a run-down on what conditions have to be met for beep to be allowed
[02:21] <nbros652> did that in the script. It works just fine and beeps when I run the script manually.
[02:22] <nbros652> shauno: ^^
[02:39] <nbros652> shauno, I can't find any clear reason why it's not beeping when run by udev. I even changed the permissions on /usr/bin/beep to allow everyone to beep. It still fails to beep when run by udev while manually running the script produces a beep.
[03:12] <nbros652> shauno, it's working now. I didn't make any changes. It just went from not working to working, I'll take that as a win. I just wish I knew what changed.
[03:13] <shauno> yeah, it'd be nice to know.  but the system bell is a very weird beast, being still handled by the tty for reasons that are older than either of us
[03:19] <nbros652> shauno, okay, this is strange. It consistently beeps on some USB sticks but not others! Any thoughts on that one?
[03:20] <nbros652> Perhaps, the script is not running with the insert of certain usb devices
[03:20] <shauno> none at all.  that'd be squarely in udev's court, which I'm still unfamiliar with
[03:20] <nbros652> okay, thanks.
[03:21] <nbros652> strange... it is running. I can see the USB get mounted and unmounted... I guess I'll just have to play around with it and see if I can figure out what's going on.
[04:39] <jak2000> sarnold? are you there?
[05:52] <jak2000> i am try copy a file from server1 to server 2: http://postimg.org/image/5e385aizd/ with ssh-keygen -t rsa cant, i do: 1) in server 1, typed: ssh-keygen -t rsa, generated 2 files on: /home/jak/.ssh id_rsa and id_rsa.pub, 2) next step, i do: cat /home/jak/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and copied the contento to server 2 ton: /home/jak/.ssh/authorized_keys     then server1 file /home/jak/.ssh/id_rsa.pu
[05:52] <jak2000> b  is exact same on server2: /home/jak/.ssh/authorized_keys   i do this command:  rsync -avzP /backup/tari.sql jak@domain.noip.me:/home/jak/sql/   asked something yes/no, typed yes, and then ask me the jak's password, typed correctly, and the file was copied, rerun again the rsyn command and again ask me a password, wich i am do wrong? thanks
[07:26] <noregret> NSS can't resolve local hosts using their FQDN, what could be wrong? dig/host can resolve normally but not e.g. ping/firefox
[07:42] <TJ-> noregret: what order is the 'hosts' setting in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? maybe mdns is getting in first?
[07:46] <noregret> TJ-: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[07:48] <TJ-> noregret: So possibly mdns4_minimal is answering first, especially likely if the domain is .local
[07:49] <noregret> TJ-: it is .local
[07:49] <noregret> TJ-: how can i check mdns4 ?
[07:49] <noregret> TJ-: btw, the configured dns servers on my machine are a local one and google's
[07:50] <noregret> so could it be using googe's to resolve those?
[07:50] <TJ-> noregret: see "man nsswitch.conf"
[07:50] <noregret> can I configure priority ?
[07:51] <TJ-> noregret: the order of services is first-come, first-served, so if mdns4_minimal answers for .local and says NXDOMAIN (in DNS speak) then dns will never be tried
[07:53] <noregret> TJ-: sorry but i don't know what mdns4_minimal is, is it also a "minimal" dns server?
[07:55] <TJ-> noregret: it's serviced by the package "libnss-mdns"
[07:55] <TJ-> !info libnss-mdns
[08:13] <noregret> TJ-: where can configure it?
[08:14] <TJ-> noregret: configure what?
[08:15] <noregret> TJ-: libnss-mdns package, could it be reading an incorrect dns? (only google's)
[08:16] <TJ-> noregret: I already told you, see "man nsswitch.conf"
[10:56] <pascal> hi
[10:56] <pascal> anyone has a checklist for lsi megaraid cards/perc cards ?
[10:56] <pascal> i have a server going at 1mb/s
[11:47] <bekks> pascal: Which checklist?
[11:50] <rbasak> stgraber: http://askubuntu.com/questions/691860/how-to-upgrade-lxc-container-after-do-release-upgrade-to-wily
[11:51] <rbasak> stgraber: run do-release-upgrade inside the container I presume? I've not actually tried this though. I know dist-upgrade would work.
[11:51] <bekks> dist-upgrade doesnt upgrade releases.
[12:52] <atralheaven_> Hello, I want to install php, which version should I install?
[12:53] <bekks> !info php | atralheaven_
[12:53] <bekks> Yay :)
[12:53] <atralheaven_> ...?
[12:53] <bekks> !info php5 | atralheaven_
[12:53] <atralheaven_> is php5 the last version?
[12:54] <bekks> Which version do you need?
[13:13] <atralheaven_> bekks: I don't know, thats why I asked
[13:14] <atralheaven_> which version is regular version?
[13:14] <bekks> atralheaven_: Then whats your actual goal?
[13:14] <bekks> What do you need php for?
[13:15] <atralheaven_> wordpress, mainly
[13:16] <atralheaven_> I have not worked with php before
[13:16] <bekks> Then you'll be fine with the version in the ubuntu repos.
[13:17] <atralheaven_> bekks: you mean php5 package? because there is no php package
[13:17] <bekks> Yes.
[13:18] <atralheaven_> bekks: just for knowing, what's the last version? I think there is a php7 but its still under development, right?
[13:18] <bekks> www.php.net tells you about the last version out there. Just use te version available from the Ubuntu repos.
[13:19] <atralheaven_> bekks: I installed php5, Thanks :)
[13:21] <atralheaven_> bekks: it seems that php7 will be out about two weeks later
[13:22] <atralheaven_> bekks: I will ask my other questions on #php
[13:27] <atralheaven_> how can I install "mod_rewrite apache module" on ubuntu server 14.04
[13:28] <hateball> a2enmod mod_rewrite
[13:30] <atralheaven_> hateball: "ERROR: Module mod_rewrite does not exist!"
[13:32] <jrwren> its a2enmod rewrite
[13:32] <hateball> yes, my bad
[13:33] <atralheaven_> Thanks :0
[13:33] <atralheaven_> :)
[15:05] <phre4k> what's the difference between the ubuntu and ubuntu-cloud LXC images?
[15:05] <rbasak> Technically they are different templates, not images.
[15:05] <rbasak> The "ubuntu" template builds you a rootfs using debootstrap.
[15:05] <rbasak> The "ubuntu-cloud" template uses cloud images.
[15:06] <rbasak> With the latter you get a cloud-init based system, with the former a more "traditional" system.
[15:06] <rbasak> For most things it should make little difference except that the latter is much quicker.
[15:06] <rbasak> (to create)
[15:13] <phre4k> yeah, meant templates, sorry. So the major difference is the init system?
[15:15] <phre4k> @ rbasak
[15:20] <rbasak> phre4k: I guess so. Perhaps the set of default installed packages too, and some other minor configuration pieces. Note that the "init system" as in upstart or systemd is the same. cloud-init adds on to either.
[15:22] <rbasak> "ubuntu-cloud" will get you an environment much closer to what you'd get on an OpenStack VM, Amazon EC2 instance, etc.
[15:22] <rbasak> Or Ubuntu deployed with MAAS.
[15:22] <rbasak> "ubuntu" will get you somehting close to what the server installer does.
[15:22] <rbasak> If you install from CD image.
[15:42] <phre4k> aaah ok, thanks for clearing that up. Using the cloud template :)
[15:53] <phre4k> why can't I create a LXC container with -r wily? It seems that it didn't find the release...
[15:55] <herrkin> hello community. I have a question for you. I have to set a server on a company, I dont want them to mess with my code but they change network settings very often, so I need to let them access the server to change that, is there a way that I can create a user that can only change the network settings and maybe ping or something like that?
[15:56] <phre4k> herrkin: how do you want them to change the network settings?
[15:57] <phre4k> with networkmanager, editing /etc/network/interfaces, ...?
[15:57] <rbasak> herrkin: on a server only root can change network settings by default. You can write a wrapper and then configure sudo to provide a particular user access to run only your wrapper as root.
[15:57] <genii> herrkin: Create a user for that and then give them access to specific application in sudoers file
[15:57] <rbasak> Yeah basically what genii said - same thing :)
[15:58] <herrkin> ok honestly I havent used networkmanager so I use the /etc/network aproach
[15:58] <rbasak> Note that wrappers are finicky to get secure.
[15:58] <rbasak> So I wouldn't rely on them for strong security unless you really know what you're doing.
[15:58] <herrkin> ok now I am confused
[15:58] <herrkin> how do I do it?
[15:59] <rbasak> But if they have physical access then they have root anyway.
[15:59] <herrkin> why?
[15:59] <herrkin> if they have physical access there is a log in screen
[15:59] <rbasak> There's also a box with screws on it.
[15:59] <herrkin> no root unless you log as root
[16:00] <rbasak> And a BIOS that lets me boot something else to reset the root password with
[16:00] <rbasak> (or just change the kernel boot parameters)
[16:00] <herrkin> not if I have the encrypted partition
[16:00] <herrkin> I think
[16:00] <rbasak> What if they lose power? They can't use the server until you come in and type the decryption password?
[16:01] <rbasak> What if you get hit by a bus on the way in to do that?
[16:01] <herrkin> so there is no way to deny access to root?
[16:01] <rbasak> And even then I could trojan the password prompt.
[16:01] <rbasak> Google "evil maid attack".
[16:01] <rbasak> Not if they have physical access.
[16:01] <rbasak> And if they know what they're doing.
[16:01] <phre4k> found the solution to my LXC issue: you have to do lxc-create -n name -t ubuntu-cloud -- -r wily (note the double dashes)
[16:01] <rbasak> And they want to get root.
[16:02] <herrkin> thats bad, I thought there ways a way to deliver a secured box so that noone could log in and even if I they wanted to get access to the partition it was encrypted
[16:02] <phre4k> herrkin: do you know a scripting language, e.g. python? Install python, write a small script which can change the network settings and only give them the right to exec that particular script
[16:03] <phre4k> why don't you trust the company? They shouldn't trust you
[16:03] <phre4k> either you install them a black box or they can configure it. Just charge them to change the network settings. They shouldn't do that anyway.
[16:03] <rbasak> phre4k: the problem is that I could add a "up" line in the /etc/network/interfaces file I give to the Python script, for example, and then I have root.
[16:04] <rbasak> phre4k: so everything needs to be sanitized and that is non-trivial to explain on IRC :)
[16:04] <phre4k> rbasak: that's why you don't specify free-form variables, you only ask for IP and mode and whatnot. They don't need up/down scripts.
[16:04] <genii> herrkin: You can lock out root password login and only make it by ssh with key. Then the machine is effectively locked out except from another box with acceptable key where you could re-enable password
[16:04] <TJ-> herrkin: why do you want an unprivileged user be able to create a network interface?
[16:04] <phre4k> rbasak: but yeah, your point is valid as f**k
[16:04] <rbasak> phre4k: my IP address is "<IP_ADDRESS>\n\tup ..."
[16:05] <rbasak> phre4k: just ask my friend Bobby Tables. He knows all about this type of thing :)
[16:05] <phre4k> TJ-: that's what I ask myself too
[16:05] <phre4k> rbasak: haha, classic xkcd reference
[16:05] <herrkin> see, the companies always want to make an excuse to keep the code. I dont want that.
[16:05] <herrkin> the normal excuse is that they need to change the ip address because whatever reason
[16:05] <rbasak> herrkin: best thing to do then is run the server somewhere else where you have control of it.
[16:05] <phre4k> ^
[16:06] <herrkin> so if there is no network I can log into I cant configure it myself
[16:06] <rbasak> herrkin: sounds like they need a DHCP server. Allows them to change network settings on all of their network at once as they wish.
[16:06] <TJ-> herrkin: DHCP
[16:06] <herrkin> so I have to do something so that they can change it themselves whithout letting them touch the code
[16:06] <phre4k> if there is no network, they have to call you in and you have to fix it. For moneys.
[16:07] <herrkin> yeah thats out of topic I work nationwide in venezuela.
[16:07] <herrkin> so it is inneficient that they have to wait for me.
[16:07] <TJ-> I cannot imagige NOT using DHCP for this kind of situation
[16:07] <TJ-> s/imagige/imagine/
[16:07] <herrkin> me too. but they are always doing these things.
[16:07] <TJ-> DHCP static reservation; sorted
[16:08] <herrkin> I can manage the server because they do intranet. its not internet service.
[16:08] <TJ-> herrkin: sell them some consultancy on configuring DHCP :)
[16:08] <herrkin> so the service has to be in their premises
[16:08] <phre4k> tell them they have to fire their current network admin if he can't figure something out this simple
[16:08] <phre4k> (or she)
[16:08] <TJ-> (or it)
[16:08] <phre4k> ^
[16:08] <herrkin> ok lol
[16:08] <herrkin> just leave the ip as it is
[16:08] <herrkin> period
[16:08] <herrkin> lol
[16:08] <phre4k> or this
[16:09] <TJ-> herrkin: or you could be sneaky and make the password the required IP address :D
[16:09] <phre4k> whyever they don't know that fancy thing called "hostnames"
[16:09] <herrkin> TJ-, I dont know what you mean
[16:10] <TJ-> actually... I can picture a pam_user_to_ip module that looks for a username of the form ip:A.B.C.D and assigns it :D
[16:10] <rbasak> As a bonus you'll have a list of IP addresses they have used in /home :)
[16:10] <TJ-> LOL
[16:10] <herrkin> I am installing a box, I am on the company, they have changed the ip like 3 times because problems of access
[16:10] <herrkin> thats a very annoying thing.
[16:11] <herrkin> they have the dns disabled for now
[16:11] <TJ-> DHCP has to be answer
[16:11] <TJ-> herrkin: who owns this PC, you or your customer?
[16:11] <herrkin> they
[16:12] <TJ-> herrkin: you can't really deny them access then if they want it
[16:12] <herrkin> but the contract says we manage it.they cant access it.
[16:12] <herrkin> while we are in contract. if they want to leave it then they can.
[16:12] <TJ-> herrkin: I was going to suggest installing a small, cheap, router in front of it that they can access the web console of, and then have 'your' box take an IP from the router :)
[16:12] <herrkin> TJ-, that seems like a good ide
[16:13] <herrkin> idea
[16:13] <herrkin> to eliminate that problem
[16:13] <TJ-> herrkin: that way the router just does NAT from their IP to the known static IP subnet the 'box' is on
[16:13] <herrkin> yeah
[16:13] <herrkin> so there is no touching the console at all.
[16:13] <TJ-> herrkin: although, then you have the problem of controlling what they can change in the router!
[16:13] <TJ-> herrkin: but yes, that stops them needing login access to the 'box'
[16:14] <herrkin> they can do whatever they want with that. I think that is not a problem.
[16:14] <herrkin> as long as they dont screw the nat
[16:14] <TJ-> herrkin: precisely; you could exchange one set of issues for another :)
[16:15] <TJ-> herrkin: although, if you choose the router careful so it runs something open(wrt) like, you could provide a modified unprivileged log-on which only allows entering the router's 'WAN' side IP
[16:17] <TJ-> herrkin: another option... on the 'box' itself. install your own software in a VM guest, then they can log-in to the host, change it's LAN-side IP. NAT/bridge host/guest and they can change the IP but can't mess with the encrypted guest nor need its password
[16:22] <herrkin> something like a docker container_
[16:22] <herrkin> ?
[16:22] <herrkin> I thought of that
[16:23] <TJ-> LXC possibly
[16:24] <TJ-> or KVM for a full guest. That way you could keep an identical copy in your premises modify it, and ship revisions easily, too
[16:25] <herrkin> good I have to look that up.
[16:26] <TJ-> Xen is also on option for the hypervisor, with ubuntu in dom0, and your application in a guest in domU
[16:27] <herrkin> I guess lxc is better than kvm, for it doesnt emulate hardware. its faster, uses less resources as I have seen.
[16:28] <phre4k> herrkin: buy a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter, they're "cheap" and have pretty extensive features
[16:29] <phre4k> TJ-: if they can login onto the host, they have access to the guest, even if it's encrypted. You could however route only the interfaces file through to an LXC container
[16:29] <phre4k> and then they logon to the container
[16:29] <TJ-> All in all I think a front-router would solve the issue easiest
[16:31] <herrkin> or I could make it a web service. phre4k I can make for example node.js change those settings
[16:32] <herrkin> there is no need to log on the system.
[16:34] <TJ-> herrkin: do they change their sub-net? what network changes do they make that need the PC IP address to change?
[16:37] <phre4k> herrkin: yeah, it's an idea
[16:37] <phre4k> but still, suggest they fire their network admin
[16:45] <genii> TJ-: I also am curious why they need to change their IP all the time, sounds a bit fishy
[16:46] <TJ-> genii: makes you think 'ulterior motive'
[16:47]  * genii makes more coffee
[18:43] <captine> hi all.  question. adding ubuntu to AD following https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html resulted in the server being added, however, it was added without the windows admin needing to enter a username and password.  pretty strange.  most times when adding windows laptops to AD, an admin needs to type username and password, but when adding ubuntu server to our domain, it was not needed?
[18:43] <captine> anyone else experience this?
[18:53] <toyotapie> hello. I have a virsh/kvm/qemu virtual disk in qcow2 format. It's 6.7 gigs. I have to convert it to vmdk to send to the windows guys, and it goes from 6.7 gigs to 27 gigs when I convert using qemu-img convert. Is there an option that I can specify so that the size doesn't grow out of control?
[18:56] <sarnold> toyotapie: you could try compressing it afterwards; if you're lucky the difference is largely filled with zeros...
[18:56] <sarnold> toyotapie: or, you could send your pals an ubuntu ISO image and tell them how to use qemu-img themselves? :)
[18:56] <sarnold> that'd still be ~23 gigabytes smaller, hehe
[18:57] <toyotapie> Yea, but even my ubuntu users use virtualbox which doesn't recognize qcow2.
[20:20] <atralheaven_> Hello, I want to setup PPTP vpn on my VPS, on the "/etc/pptpd.conf" file, there is "localip" and "remoteip", what should I use for localip? server ip or <IP_ADDRESS>? and I don't know what my clients IP would be, what should I do for that? Thank you
[20:20] <atralheaven_> btw, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PPTPServer
[20:25] <RoyK> atralheaven_: just don't use pptp
[20:25] <RoyK> atralheaven_: openvpn is vastly better and more secure
[20:26] <atralheaven_> RoyK: I know, I have OpenVPN already set up
[20:26] <atralheaven_> RoyK: I need to have PPTP too
[20:27] <RoyK> atralheaven_: ptpp is defined in RFC 2637 from 1999, written by Microsoft, and has status as "informational". It's not secure, not by far
[20:27] <RoyK> when something doesn't even get into the standards track, stay away
[20:28] <atralheaven_> RoyK: Im aware of this but I really have to, may you help me get this done?
[20:28] <RoyK> I don't think I've setup pptp for 10+ years, sorry
[20:29] <atralheaven_> RoyK: may you take a look at "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PPTPServer" and tell me what do you think about "localip" and "remoteip" part?
[20:30] <RoyK> atralheaven_: not sure, but I guess the remoteip part is about what addresses to hand out as in a dhcp fasion, where the localip is the ip given to the local server's virtual nic
[20:44] <atralheaven_> RoyK: Have you worked with l2tp?
[20:46] <RoyK> atralheaven_: just for testing. usually it's problematic in terms of low-end gear that doesn't allow for other protocols than udp/tcp
[20:47] <atralheaven_> RoyK: Im trying to set up this too, OpenVPN was the best...
[20:50] <RoyK> openvpn just uses https, so it will work with all sorts of cheap NAT stuff
[21:07] <atralheaven_> May someone please test my openvpn? I can't connect to it but everything seems to be fine, I thought it can be from country firewalling. I can give the .ovpn file, I want to see if you can connect to it
[23:34] <soulisson_> Hi, when applying security updates to Apache, is the Apache version number suppose to change?
[23:34] <tarpman> soulisson_: version number as reported where/how?
[23:36] <soulisson_> tarpman, reported by Apache
[23:36] <ogra_> why would it
[23:36] <ogra_> its still the same version, just with a backported security fix
[23:37] <ogra_> (the package version changes though, it gets a suffix bump for the .1 suffix)
[23:37] <soulisson_> I'm really new to this, what does it mean to be backported?
[23:37] <ogra_> the fix gets taken from the newer version and added to the one that is in the release
[23:38] <tarpman> to add to that, some people oppose including the exact package version in the apache version reported over the internet, because bad people could use that to decide which attacks to attempt on you
[23:39] <soulisson_> ogra_, ok, so when a vulnerability is found Apache, Apache releases a new version of its product?
[23:40] <ogra_> they release a fix to the vulnerability ... most likely for the most recent version
[23:40] <RoyK> and then that fix is applied to the older version, if possible
[23:40] <ogra_> right
[23:41] <soulisson_> ogra_, RoyK, ok, I see
[23:41] <RoyK> not all fixes are backportable, some are design changes, but most fixes gets backported
[23:42] <ogra_> well, security fixes usually get backported :)
[23:43] <RoyK> ogra_: my point, but some issues may need to be fixed by design changes
[23:43] <ogra_> yeah
[23:43] <ogra_> and some depend on newer features
[23:44] <RoyK> ogra_: with RHEL, we see that with cryptography changes, where redhat doesn't backport the changes to take out weak ciphers or methods or hashes. I'm not sure how that applies to debian/ubuntu
[23:44] <ogra_> heh, me neither, you have to ask the security team :)
[23:45]  * RoyK dislikes working with redhat systems - no such thing as a do-release-upgrade
[23:46] <ogra_> though i think highly insecure ciphers would surely be dropped
[23:46] <ogra_> heh
[23:46] <soulisson_> Does Ubuntu Server provided the latest releases or does it only backport the fixes?
[23:46]  * ogra_ looks forward to snappy on servers ...
[23:46] <RoyK> soulisson_: only fixes are backported
[23:47] <RoyK> soulisson_: if you want the bleeding edge, use 15.10
[23:47] <ogra_> i just upgraded my laptop to wily ... 2h wasted ... snappy could do it in 30min
[23:47] <bekks> ogra_: Did you try it using snappy?
[23:47] <RoyK> ogra_: heh - running on spinning rust?
[23:47] <ogra_> old XPS13 ... but slow internet (2MBit)
[23:48]  * RoyK uses spinning rust for large data and loathes it for everything else
[23:48] <ogra_> bekks, nah, but i know that snappy has no separate packages and no maintainer scripts ... upgrading package by package (and coordinating all the interactions) is awfully time consuming
[23:49] <soulisson_> RoyK, Ok, so for intance if my server comes with let's say Apache 2.4.16, the Apache version will stay the same but the fixes will be applied
[23:49] <bekks> ogra_: If snappy has no separate packages - it wouldnt work I guess :)
[23:49] <ogra_> a snappy desktop would perhaps consist of 100 packages ... and have no delay for package configuration
[23:49] <bekks> ogra_: It has separate packages, but a different package management system.
[23:49] <ogra_> whereas my laptop upgraded ~2500 packages, downloaded each of them and configured each of them
[23:50] <ogra_> bekks, i know, i work on it ;)
[23:50] <bekks> :P
[23:50] <ogra_> the point is that snaps have more bundled in them ...
[23:51] <RoyK> soulisson_: right
[23:51] <ogra_> and no delay after install ... they just get dumped in place ...
[23:51] <soulisson_> RoyK, ok, thanks for the help
[23:52] <ogra_> soulisson_, if you need to check if a certain security hole was fixed http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ has all the links to the respective trackers and info pages
[23:53] <soulisson_> ogra_, thanks


[08:11] <SachinKulkarni> Launchpad team membership not picked up by `charm whoami`
[08:12] <SachinKulkarni> Tried login/logout multiple times, no use, charm version 2.7.5, how to resolve this?
[08:58] <wallyworld> SachinKulkarni: i just tried it and it's broken for me too it seems, so someting that they'll need to look into
[11:31] <icey> I also just tried and could not reproduce this issue :)
[11:32] <icey> although, honestly, I have no idea how I have half of these groups :-P
[14:09] <achilleasa> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11804 the back-port to 2.8


[01:03] <vorlon> arraybolt3: not sure that it got missed, kinetic queue processing may just have been slow for the past few weeks.  I see several other packages age 4weeks in the queue which is a good indicator
[01:03] <vorlon> I'm not putting my SRU hat on today to process these I'm afraid
[01:03] <arraybolt3> Ah, makes sense. Also, I accidentally posted this to the wrong channel :P
[01:30] <dannf> cpaelzer: nothing obvious to me, but I'll look a bit closer tomorrow.
[02:49] <zhsj> could someone retry these autopkgtest https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fK3H9k5sXC/
[06:13] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=jsurf-alggeo&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1 ? I have ran autopkgtest locally against lunar vm and it passes
[06:33] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=fdroidserver&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1. I have ran it against canonistack instance and it passed
[06:50] <ginggs> vpa1977: looking...
[06:57] <ginggs> zhsj: .
[06:57] <ginggs> vpa1977: .
[07:00] <vpa1977> ginggs: thank you !!!!
[10:25] <zhsj> could someone retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=arno-iptables-firewall&trigger=kmod%2F30%2B20221128-1ubuntu1 i suspect it's testbed related, and other failures on https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/arno-iptables-firewall/lunar/amd64 are all same.
[10:46] <zhsj> is there any chance that net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_helper has random value in an isolated-machine test?
[11:25] <adrien> vorlon: huh, sorry, I thought I had removed it from the list; I had put it initially but decided to drop it upon close inspection, except that apparently I failed when editing my message
[11:25] <adrien> (long and repetitive links on irc don't really help)
[11:26] <adrien> others were: lintian, timed out with the last line being "Building in [snip] [167/1439]"; epson*: timeout during tests; cmake: timeout during tests for one arch and timeout during testbed preparation for the other
[11:27] <athos> zhsj: done
[11:27] <adrien> the epson* one has been triggered yesterday evening (and succeeded)
[13:59] <ahasenack_> so I got this message from needrestart I think, about the microcode update I just installed:
[14:00] <ahasenack_> "Restarting the system to load the new processor microcode will not be handled automatically, so you should consider rebooting"
[14:00] <ahasenack_> what's the difference between "restarting the system" and "rebooting"?
[14:24] <cjwatson> ahasenack_: I don't particularly know this package, but I would read that as a distinction between automatic and manual rebooting, rather than a distinction between two different phrasings of rebooting
[14:25] <ahasenack_> ah, could be
[14:25] <ahasenack_> "you system will not be restarted automatically"
[14:25] <ahasenack_> it should be the same case with a kernel update
[14:25] <cjwatson> I'm sure it could use rephrasing
[14:26] <ahasenack_> I don't have the message for that case at hand, though
[17:41] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: I have confirmed that the boost1.81 arm64 test passes reliably locally
[17:41] <jawn-smith> going to start 1.74 now
[17:48] <bdmurray> vorlon: How do you feel about forcing boost1.81 to migrate given jawn-smith's testing? I had blacklisted it because it was continuously looping an clogging up the queue.
[18:23] <vorlon> bdmurray: given the only thing blocking it is a failure that's marked 'blacklisted', I think it's consistent that we would migrate it anyway
[18:23] <vorlon> but also, knowing we have good local tests is good
[19:00] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: boost1.74 also passed locally
[20:09] <arraybolt3> In the event anyone's interested, I started a channel #ubuntu-sponsors that I think might help future contributors be able to find sponsors for work they've done more easily. Anyone with archive access rights who's interested in possibly getting sponsorship requests is welcome to join. It's pretty new so there's not really any activity yet, and I'm developing it slowly, so it probably won't
[20:09] <arraybolt3> have much activity for a while, but if that sounds cool, there it is.
[20:50] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: Is there a reason this channel was deemd inappropriate?
[20:50] <bdmurray> It already has a bunch of potential sponsors
[20:50] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: No, I just meant to post in -release where the SRU team hangs out.
[20:51] <bdmurray> I mean why have a different ubuntu-sponsors channel instead of using this one.
[21:09] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=fdroidserver&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1 - the test failed against 2.1.2-1 version of the package, and autopkgtest failures were addressed in 2.2.0-3 which is now in release(universe)
[21:16] <mwhudson> vpa1977: done
[21:16] <vpa1977> mwhudson: Thank you !!!
[21:35] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: Oh. I misunderstood.
[21:38] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: I mean this channel works, but it's used for other things frequently enough that it seems easy for a sponsorship request to get missed. My idea was that people would join the room and then if they saw it light up and were ready to help sponsor something, they'd know what was happening rather than being like "oh it's -devel again, I can probably just ignore that".
[21:38] <arraybolt3> (I ignore probably 90% of what happens in here since it has nothing to do with what I work with yet.)
[22:25] <sergiodj> hi, would it be possible to add/enable ubuntuwire's reverse-dependency service for Kinetic?
[22:26] <sergiodj> I get an "Unkown release" there
[23:37] <liushuyu> Hi tjaalton, I am from the Foundations Team, the new Rust toolchain maintainer on the team. I need to upgrade Rust on JJ (22.04) and KK (22.10) however encountered a LLVM bug which was fixed in 15.0.7. I can see you use LLVM 15 for Mesa (HWE stack?), can you help me with upgrading LLVM 15 to 15.0.7 on these two series? Thanks!


[00:00] <rsalveti> Xofrats: were you able to compile with the same native compiler before?
[00:00] <rsalveti> at least with the same version?
[00:00] <rsalveti> if you're using ubuntu you can just use the ubuntu cross compiler
[00:01] <rsalveti> like the package gcc-4.5-arm-linux-gnueabi
[00:01] <lool> Daviey: thanks
[00:01] <Xofrats> This is the ubuntu cross-compiler
[00:01] <Xofrats> starfox@ubuntu:~/module/mods$ arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc --version
[00:01] <Xofrats> arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu3) 4.5.2
[00:02] <Xofrats> The native one I used was gcc-4.4.5-8 (Debian)
[00:02] <Xofrats> Because Ubuntu no longer runs on armv6
[00:03] <rsalveti> you can try to cross compile with gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi if you're running natty
[00:03] <rsalveti> not the same but at least same major gcc version
[00:03] <Xofrats> Okay, I'm game for that.  What would I need to install that?
[00:18] <Xofrats> I guess I kinda figured out, apt-get remove gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi, apt-get install gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi
[00:18] <Xofrats> Thanks for the pointer
[00:19] <rbelem> heya rsalveti
[00:20] <rbelem> rsalveti, do you know where i can find documentation about porting an application to arm?
[02:32] <arcaico> Hello, Where I find the usbserial module to ARM?
[02:32] <arcaico> arm6
[02:46] <prpplague> arcaico: usbserial is an option in the linux kernel
[02:47] <prpplague> arcaico: either turn it on it your kernel configuration and compile it in, or compile it as a module
[03:02] <arcaico> prpplague thanks
[03:02] <arcaico> Can you indicate some link to study?
[03:03] <arcaico> there is no file in: /lib/modules/kernel
[03:03] <prpplague> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/10/19/how-to-cross-compile-arm-kernel-under-ubuntu-10-10/
[08:23] <Johansson> hi
[08:23] <mahmoh> jcrigby: is there an updated u-boot about yet with pxe fixes?
[08:23] <Johansson> I've installed the official pre-installed 11.04  headless image for beagleboard-xm
[08:23] <Johansson> and changed the kernel like it says in the website
[08:24] <Johansson> everything seems to work fine but the ethernet
[08:24] <Johansson> I've tried insmod g_ether.ko, but it's not working
[08:24] <Johansson> any idea?
[08:26] <ogra_> headless is super minimal rather for developers that need a basic system to build on top
[08:26] <ogra_> it might miss bits and pieces in userspace
[08:26] <ogra_> do you see the NIC with "cat /proc/net/dev" ?
[08:27] <Johansson> um, I'm going to boot it up now and see
[08:27] <Johansson> I know headless is minimal, but I need a minimal system
[08:27] <Johansson> It's going to act as an on board computer
[08:27] <ogra_> alternatively you could use the oneiric server image, that should also not require fiddling with the kernel
[08:28] <Johansson> I won't need a screen
[08:28] <Johansson> I need the ethernet for connecting to it and develop
[08:28] <ogra_> sure
[08:28] <Johansson> and the spi and i2c in the expansion slots
[08:32] <Johansson> It's not there, only the loopback interface
[08:34] <ogra_> that looks like a kernel bug
[08:35] <Johansson> yep
[08:35] <Johansson> but I'm suprised that I couldn't find it anywhere
[08:36] <Johansson> in the forums or google
[08:36] <Johansson> seems like noone tries those headless images
[08:36] <ogra_> well, i would recommend to at least test the server image (it is what was headless in natty but has additionally installable packages available
[08:36] <ogra_> we didnt really promote them much
[08:37] <ogra_> but our QA tests them heavily (thats how we i.e. find out that you need another kernel tarball for certain boards etc)
[08:38] <Johansson> the server image of oneirc you mean?
[08:38] <ogra_> yes
[08:38] <Johansson> oneiric*
[08:38] <ogra_> server is headless+a package pool of server packages you can install from
[08:38] <ogra_> but uses a 3.0 kernel that should definitely support your board
[08:39] <Johansson> but still lets me select the packages, right?
[08:39] <ogra_> sure
[08:39] <Johansson> at least in categories like the natty headless
[08:39] <ogra_> the user experience is the same ... just the image is b igger
[08:39] <ogra_> because it shops a pool of deb's
[08:39] <Johansson> is it going to fit in a 2GB SD?
[08:39] <ogra_> *ships
[08:39] <ogra_> yes
[08:39] <ogra_> should fit i think
[08:39] <Johansson> ok, thanks :)
[09:29] <ppisati> ogra_: uhmmm... didn't the early 3.0 omap3 kernels have broken usb?
[09:30] <ppisati> ogra_: perhaps that's why he doesn't see the ethernet
[09:30] <ogra_> he is on natty still
[09:31] <ppisati> ah ok
[09:32] <ogra_> and he has a board that came out fater natty released
[09:32] <ogra_> *after
[09:32] <ogra_> its likely that 3.0 will at least be fine with that part ... USb has to be checked indeed, but i think it should work again
[09:34] <Johansson> but ethernet in the beagle works over a usb interface i think
[09:34] <ogra_> yes
[09:34] <Johansson> well anyway I'm installing oneiric, so I'll try
[09:34] <ogra_> right :)
[10:00] <Johansson> ogra_, it says the same during the installation as the natty version
[10:00] <Johansson> "No network interfaces detected                                            ?
[10:00] <Johansson>  ?                                                                           ?
[10:00] <Johansson>  ? No network interfaces were found. The installation system was unable to   ?
[10:00] <Johansson>  ? find a network device.  "
[10:00] <Johansson> ops, sorry for the crappy copy-paste
[10:01] <Johansson> "You may need to load a specific module for your network card"
[10:01] <ogra_> hmm, first file a bug :)
[10:01] <ogra_> do you have other USB devices you can see ... i.e. with lsusb ?
[10:01] <Johansson> i don't have any other usb device connected
[10:02] <Johansson> i can try I mouse or something to see if it shows up, when i finish the installation
[10:03] <ogra_> just run lsusb, it should at least show you hubs etc
[10:21] <Johansson> well, something is working
[10:21] <Johansson> lsusb
[10:21] <Johansson> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[10:21] <Johansson> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[10:25] <Johansson> oh, nice
[10:25] <Johansson> ogra_, it doesn't work out of the box, the ethernet
[10:25] <Johansson> but the usbs work
[10:25] <Johansson> with modprobe g_ether, now the usb0 interface is up
[10:25] <ogra_> weird
[10:25] <ogra_> yeah, gadget wont indeed work by default
[10:25] <Johansson> but i don't know why insmod g_ether.ko doesn't work
[10:26] <ogra_> but a general network connection should
[10:31] <Johansson> um..
[10:31] <Johansson> the interface usb0 for the ethernet gadget is up
[10:32] <Johansson> but dhclient can't find a dhcp server
[10:32] <ogra_> yes, but we dont load any gadget modules by default afaik
[10:32] <Johansson> and the leds in the ethernet aren't on either
[10:32] <ogra_> leds on the ethernet ?
[10:32] <ogra_> why would you have any leds lit up ?
[10:32] <Johansson> the physical connector has 2 leds
[10:32] <ogra_> you use gadget ethernet
[10:33] <ogra_> not the NIC
[10:33] <Johansson> the one that comes with the board
[10:33] <ogra_> you know what g_ether is, right ?
[10:34] <Johansson> yes, but if i'm not mistaken, the ethernet connector in the board
[10:34] <ogra_> (hint, itr has nothing to do with the network card at all)
[10:34] <Johansson> works that way
[10:34] <ogra_> no
[10:34] <Johansson> it's wired through an usb
[10:34] <ogra_> it initializes a usb ethernet connection on the mini USB port
[10:35] <Johansson> oh, then I was mistaken..
[10:35] <Johansson> in all the info I've read everyone was using usb0/usb1 devices for ethernet
[10:36] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ ifconfig |grep HWaddr
[10:36] <ogra_> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 2e:40:70:f0:12:06
[10:36] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ uname -a
[10:36] <ogra_> Linux panda 2.6.38-1309-omap4 #14tiomap4v201107060935 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 6 08:35:55 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[10:37] <ogra_> (thats oneiric though, but the kernel should still be the same as natty's on this install)
[10:37] <Johansson> but that's a different board
[10:38] <ogra_> ??
[10:38] <Johansson> that's a pandaboard, right?
[10:38] <ogra_> oh, wait, you said beagle
[10:38] <Johansson> yes
[10:39] <Johansson> a beagleboard-xm revC
[10:39] <ogra_> yeah, that might be usb0 ... but its definitely not g_ether :)
[10:39] <siji> ogra_, yes it's usb0
[10:39] <ogra_> though i thoght we fixed it for both boards
[10:39] <siji> u guess dhclient usb0 will work
[10:40] <siji> *i
[10:40] <ogra_> right
[10:40] <Johansson> it's not g_ether the module then?
[10:40] <ogra_> right, just ignore g_ether
[10:40] <Johansson> with g_ether the usb0 is up, but dhclient not working
[10:40] <ogra_> unless you want to actually use g_ether indeed :)
[10:41] <Johansson> then what would be the right module to load?
[10:41] <Johansson> I'm reading that it's treated indeed as an usb gadget
[10:42] <ogra_> it shouldnt
[10:42] <ogra_> its a fully fledged USB NIC
[10:43] <ogra_> just weirdly named
[10:43] <Johansson> uh, strange
[10:44] <Johansson> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/356f0edcd90a6320
[10:44] <ogra_> did you ifconfig usb0 up before running dhclient btw ?
[10:44] <Johansson> yes
[10:44] <Johansson> it shows in ifconfig -a
[10:44] <ogra_> and what did the installer actually offer you ?
[10:44] <Johansson> nothing
[10:45] <ogra_> it should tell you name and description of the device before trying to configure it
[10:45] <Johansson> it says that it couldn't detect any network interface
[10:45] <ogra_> ah
[10:45] <Johansson> then i just tried modprobe g_ether
[10:45] <Johansson> and usb0 appeared
[10:45] <ogra_> you are sure it wasnt there before ?
[10:46] <Johansson> yes
[10:47] <ogra_> hmm, weird
[10:48] <Johansson> y can reboot and try again
[10:54] <Johansson> yep, no network interface when i reboot
[10:54] <Johansson> only lo
[10:54] <ogra_> very weird
[10:54] <ogra_> and thats natty ?
[10:55] <Johansson> no, oneiric
[10:55] <ogra_> ah, no, wait
[10:55] <ogra_> yeah
[10:55] <Johansson> natty didn't even work loading g_ether
[10:55]  * ogra_ is active in too many channels today
[10:55] <Johansson> modprobe g_ether with natty gave an error
[10:55] <ogra_> well, it definitely sounds like a kernel bug you should file
[10:56] <ogra_> afaik we only have revA XMs in the team so its hard to test such issues
[10:57] <ogra_> do you see any oopses or some such in dmesg ?
[10:57] <siji> ogra_, I think revA also having the same issue
[10:57] <ogra_> siji, well, then we would have seen it during release testing
[10:57] <siji> ok
[10:57] <Johansson> that's strange, should've noticed it
[10:57] <ogra_> natty definitely has a working NIC on the XM revA
[10:58] <Johansson> out of the box?
[10:58] <ogra_> yes
[10:58] <siji> ogra_, yes it's working but every boot i have to establisht he command dhclient usb0
[10:58] <siji> (dont knw whether it's a bug or not)
[10:58] <ogra_> that would have blocked the release if such an issue would have shown up during final release testing
[10:59] <ogra_> though check the known issues page, it might be that there were issues with the non netbook images the netbook images dont have
[10:59] <siji> ogra_, ok
[11:01] <siji> any way i simply  made a init script and executing it while booting which solved my prblm :)
[11:01] <Johansson> dhclient usb0 doesn't work for me i'm afraid
[11:02] <ogra_> well, you dont see the NIC at all
[11:02] <ogra_> thats different
[11:02] <ogra_> since you dont even have usb0
[11:02] <Johansson> but with modprobe g_ether it shows up
[11:02] <ogra_> thats a totally different device, ignore gadget stuff
[11:02] <Johansson> siji, does g_ether shows up in your lsmod?
[11:03] <Johansson> ok then
[11:03] <siji> Johansson, checking ..
[11:03] <ogra_> sadly they are both named usb*
[11:03] <siji> Johansson, no
[11:03] <Johansson> then the problem is that I need to load the right module, which I don't know
[11:03] <ogra_> no
[11:03] <ogra_> the omap kernel should have all bits the beagle needs compiled in
[11:04] <ogra_> can you pastebin /var/log/dmesg soemwhere ... after a boot without touchuing g_ether
[11:05] <siji> ogra_, me ?
[11:05] <Johansson> no, me probabl
[11:05] <ogra_> siji, no
[11:05] <ogra_> :)
[11:05] <siji> ok
[11:05] <siji> :)
[11:06] <Johansson> gotta go now, we'll back in about half an hour and will check
[11:06] <Johansson> btw, thanks for the help
[11:09] <ogra_> welcome
[12:00] <Johansson> ogra_, the full dmesg: http://pastebin.com/CZq8WfXJ
[12:02] <ogra_> well, looks like it doesnt have any NIC there, thats definitely a kernel issue
[12:03] <Johansson> will it be fixed compiling a new kernel?
[12:04] <ogra_> well, first of all make sure to file a bug, then hassle ppisati about it enough to make him fix it ;)
[12:05] <ogra_> (you can alsdo try to bribe him with beer or so, that might even get faster results)
[12:05] <Johansson> hehe, ok
[12:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^ have you heard of XM revC board NIC issues ?
[12:06] <Johansson> but my question was if the problem is with this image
[12:06] <Johansson> or if there is no support at all for this nic in the kernel
[12:06] <ogra_> well, thats what the bug is supposed to tell us :)
[12:07] <ogra_> afauik it should just be the same  smsc adapter the panda uses
[12:08] <ogra_> and i think it should be even compiled in statically ... though that might have changed since i touched omap3 kernel stuff last
[12:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: it seems that there's an issue with usb x revc
[12:10] <ogra_> aha !
[12:10] <rsalveti> still didn't check the details yet, but I remember the patches to fix it were applied
[12:10] <ogra_> well, that would explain everything then :)
[12:10] <rsalveti> so could be a new bug against 3.0
[12:10] <rsalveti> even with linaro kernels
[12:10] <ogra_> well, he sees it on natty too
[12:10] <ogra_> i was about to suggest to try a linaro .deb
[12:11] <ogra_> but if thats the same it wont be worth the effort
[12:12] <rsalveti> hm, weird, I remember we fixed this at natty
[12:12] <rsalveti> [    0.079040] OMAP3 Beagle Rev: xM C
[12:12] <rsalveti> it's properly identified
[12:37] <ogra_> bah, crap ... the ac100 installer cant work the way it is designed
[12:37] <ogra_> sigh
[12:39] <ogra_> infinity, i fear i need to go back to the overlay initrd and to using abootimg on antimony
[12:40] <ogra_> infinity, the tarball is renamed n times i will never have the right filename in the initrd
[12:53] <rsalveti> ogra_: in theory http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee67d920c47e8a804560eed1e3b8f3157df50fe2;hp=bbe1f061a9bcc183c60921a70c98c08668bb9984 fixed the revc support for natty
[12:53] <rsalveti> at least this was tested by some folks that had revc and it worked fine
[12:54] <rsalveti> but this is not at the released kernel
[12:54] <ogra_> aha
[12:54] <rsalveti> guess we have that documented at the wiki page
[12:55] <ogra_> well, the wuestion is if it is in the revC kernel that tobin offers as tarball :)
[12:55] <ogra_> you cant use the release kernel anyway with that board
[14:23] <RoAkSoAx> howdy guys
[14:23] <ogra_> yo
[14:23] <RoAkSoAx> I was wondering what mirror to use to install arm (i.e. archive.ubuntu.com)?
[14:24] <ogra_> ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[14:24] <ogra_> whats your installation taget device
[14:25] <RoAkSoAx> ogra_: cool
[14:25] <RoAkSoAx> thanks
[14:25] <RoAkSoAx> using a pandaboard
[14:26] <ogra_> what image ? they should all be properly pre-configured to DTRT
[14:26] <ogra_> (i.e. the mirror should be pre-selected)
[14:27] <ogra_> if not, thats a bug that should be filed
[14:36]  * ogra_ could really need some brilliant idea for the tarball naming problem
[14:36]  * ogra_ looks at infinity trying to find out if thats a snore coming from there or not
[15:20] <infinity> ogra_: Hrm?  How does the filename matter?
[15:20] <ogra_> infinity, it i ued to find the file :)
[15:20] <ogra_> *used
[15:20] <infinity> Well, find-live-filesystem is going to give you a consistent filename on antimony.
[15:20] <ogra_> ele i would have to iterate over all posible tarballs and check all md5's (as you noticed before)
[15:20] <ogra_> *else
[15:21] <infinity> Of course, it might change again when you publish.
[15:21] <ogra_> if i create the md5sum file before find-live-filesystem, the filename is differebt
[15:21] <ogra_> right, and publishing chnges it again
[15:21] <infinity> So?
[15:22] <ogra_> with my way of doing the post processing on antimony i know the final filename
[15:22] <infinity> The md5sum file shouldn't matter.  It could just be stdin, for all one cares.
[15:22] <ogra_> so that wasnt a problem before
[15:22] <infinity> And actually, no.  You still don't know the final filename with doing it all on antimony.
[15:23] <infinity> Since we rename dailies to ubuntu-$version-whatever when we publish milestones and final releases.
[15:23] <ogra_> hmm, right, thats in cdimage
[15:23] <ogra_> btw
[15:23] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/668356/
[15:23] <ogra_> a review would be appreciated before i merge that
[15:26] <infinity> Your script just needs to know all the possible names it could be looking for, I suppose.  Or a pattern.
[15:26] <infinity> Why didn't you use the live-build helpers to mount/umount your special filesystems?  Would have avoided that case statement, since it already knows the right thing.
[15:27] <ogra_> either that or i could pre-filter against the filesize
[15:27] <ogra_> hmm
[15:28] <ogra_> you mean lb_chroot_sysfs and friends ?
[15:28] <infinity> *nod*
[15:28] <ogra_> how do i call them, are they in PATH ?
[15:28] <ogra_> also do they mount in the right chroot :)
[15:28] <ogra_> given i seem to have two
[15:28] <infinity> You call them as "lb chroot_sysfs $args"
[15:29] <infinity> And yeah, they operate on chroot/ not on binary/foo/blah.
[15:29] <infinity> The one in binary is just a copy of the other.
[15:29] <ogra_> hmm, so i should change my code to point to chroot/ then
[15:30] <infinity> Possibly.
[15:39] <ogra_> infinity, bah, that now looks boring http://paste.ubuntu.com/668365/
[15:40] <ogra_> any obvious typos ?
[15:41] <ogra_> hmm, i could drop rootpath as well i guess
[15:41] <infinity> Nope, but you want to pass "$@" as the second argument to all your lb calls.
[15:41] <infinity> In the case of those three, it probably doesn't matter that it gets all the arguments, but one never knows what some crazy person might do later. :)
[15:41] <infinity> And yeah, the rootpath thing is pointless.
[15:42]  * ogra_ adds, though the code only chcks for install|remove anyway
[15:43] <infinity> Yeah, I know.  It's just lb best practice, since all the tools are meant to potentially care about environment.
[15:43] <infinity> (And they really should have a better way of doing that than passing the CLI on to everything)
[15:43] <infinity> But whatever.
[15:44] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[15:44] <ogra_> ok, merging and uploading ... i'm curious if it will work :)
[15:46] <infinity> Is 9:45am too early to hit the gin?
[15:46] <ogra_> depends on the amount of tonic
[15:47] <infinity> Ahh, that's how it works?  Good to know.
[15:47] <infinity> My best friend's grandpa died last night, and I did the only sane and manly thing -- kept him up all night drinking.
[15:47] <infinity> And now I'm trying to sort out how to operate on 3 hours' sleep with a splitting headache. :P
[15:48] <ogra_> alka selzer ftw
[15:49] <ogra_> and yes, after a 3h night gin at 9:45 is a sanr thing
[15:49] <ogra_> *sane
[15:49] <ogra_> (if you drank the night before)
[20:46] <steev_> using an ubuntu core (oneiric) base, i've gone through and installed ubuntu-desktop, and I'm getting a few issues, one being locale can't seem to set the default locale (is this because I'm in a chroot without a kernel yet?) or am I missing something else, I do recall it asking me for the locale(s) to use, and I set it to US/US/UTF-8, the other is that dpkg seems to die because of modemmanager, ar
[20:46] <steev_> e these known issues already?


[00:30] <kristian-aalborg> sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r) <--- this command wants to fetch 850 megs?
[01:54] <JackyAlcine> kristian-aalborg, you're building the kernel, what'd you expect? :P I think that's approriate.
[02:00] <kristian-aalborg> JackyAlcine: it wants X, a bunch of fonts, LaTeX...
[02:00] <JackyAlcine> Hmm, that's a bit odd.
[02:01] <kristian-aalborg> this happens now and then... no biggie
[04:23] <oldos2er> any beginners here?
[04:23] <oldos2er> i still feel like a beginner even though i've been using ubuntu for 3 1/2 years
[04:24] <nit-wit> we are all beginners a something eh
[04:24] <oldos2er> i suppose so
[04:25] <nit-wit> Linux to myself about the same time using here as well, no windows history to be clouded with though lol.:)
[04:25] <oldos2er> everyone must be out, ubuntu channels are quiet tonight
[04:25] <oldos2er> my windows history is long ago and far away too
[04:26] <nit-wit> I have learned it after the open source its like playing pong
[04:26] <oldos2er> funny
[04:26] <nit-wit> W7 is not bad but what a hassle if your not a gamer or reallly need it.
[04:27] <oldos2er> after amnesia: the dark descent, pong sucks
[04:27] <oldos2er> i used vista for a few days, because i had to. haven't seen or tried 7
[04:28] <oldos2er> bye for now
[06:22] <yax51> ok, so I've been playing around with ubuntu 10.10, and LOVE it!! just found some really cool desktop effects among others
[06:22] <yax51> was wondering if anyone else knew any really cool things I can play around with....
[06:27] <bioterror> yax51, you can play with conky, for example
[06:29] <yax51> conky is cool, although it doesn't display any GPU information, I've been using nvclock for that
[06:31] <yax51> plus with my oled daemon, I get all the sys monitoring stuff (CPU usage and temp, network traffic, email and IM alerts, Battery notification, music title, artist info via amarok, ect.)
[06:32] <yax51> if you have an oled I HIGHLY recommend this....
[10:15] <duanedesign> morning all
[14:42] <erdinc> hello.
[14:43] <erdinc> nobody here?
[14:55] <erdinc> i have ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop, and i couldn't write a dvd with any program..
[14:55] <erdinc> Also command line.
[14:55] <holstein> hey erdinc
[14:56] <holstein> what are you trying to write?
[14:56] <holstein> i would try and make sure its not something to do with codecs
[14:57] <holstein> and just try burning a data DVD
[14:59] <erdinc> yes, i have alredy tried to wrie data dvd
[14:59] <holstein> erdinc: whats the error?
[15:00] <erdinc> it just writes iso image on brasero
[15:00] <erdinc> but i can't write cd or dvd or rw media
[15:00] <holstein> OK
[15:00] <holstein> do you get an error?
[15:00] <erdinc> no
[15:00] <holstein> or do you not see the optical drive from the burner?
[15:01] <duanedesign> erdinc: ahh, it is writing the iso and not the files?
[15:01] <erdinc> no
[15:01] <erdinc> i can't write both, iso and the normal data files
[15:01] <duanedesign> ohh
[15:02] <duanedesign> i was going to suggest. Right click on the ISO image file and choose Write to Disc
[15:02] <erdinc> i have tried cdrecord, brasero, dvdtools etc
[15:02] <erdinc> ok, i try for you just now
[15:02] <holstein> im still not sure whats going on BUT
[15:02] <holstein> if you start the programs from the terminal
[15:03] <holstein> open terminal and type brasero
[15:03] <holstein> you *should* get some output there
[15:03] <duanedesign> that is a good idea.
[15:03] <erdinc> ok.
[15:03] <holstein> potentially helpful trouble-shooting output
[15:03] <erdinc> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.config/brasero/brasero.session"
[15:04] <erdinc> i get this message on the console
[15:04] <holstein> erdinc: are you running it as root?
[15:04] <erdinc> yes
[15:04] <erdinc> with sudo
[15:04] <holstein> try as normal user
[15:04] <erdinc> okay
[15:05] <erdinc> same thing, brasero opened with gui
[15:05] <holstein> right
[15:05] <holstein> see if you can reproduce the failure you are experiencing
[15:05] <holstein> and check the terminal output
[15:05] <erdinc> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.config/brasero/brasero.session"
[15:06] <erdinc> no
[15:06] <erdinc> not that
[15:06] <erdinc> sorry
[15:06] <erdinc> $ brasero
[15:06] <erdinc> (brasero:5136): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.20.1/gobject/gsignal.c:2387: instance `0x984d628' has no handler with id `1507'
[15:06] <erdinc> (brasero:5136): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.20.1/gobject/gsignal.c:2387: instance `0x984d628' has no handler with id `1508'
[15:07] <holstein> erdinc: im thinking those are OK
[15:07] <holstein> try the burn
[15:07] <duanedesign> wait
[15:07] <duanedesign> sorry. I meant
[15:07] <erdinc> yes, i want to burn but
[15:07] <duanedesign> Are you logged in a root?
[15:07] <erdinc> i don't want to a iso file :)
[15:07] <erdinc> i want a real dvd :)
[15:08] <erdinc> no i'm a normal user
[15:08] <holstein> erdinc: OK, choose whatever you want
[15:08] <duanedesign> ok
[15:08] <holstein> and read the error output
[15:08] <erdinc> ok.
[15:08] <erdinc> just a minute
[15:09] <holstein> erdinc: is it this simple?
[15:09] <holstein> go to 'project'
[15:09] <holstein> and choose 'new project'
[15:09] <holstein> and select project type
[15:11] <erdinc> $ growisofs -dvd-compat -input-charset=ISO-8859-1 -Z /dev/sdc -R -J -pad "/home/erdinc/Desktop/interpol.mp3"
[15:11] <erdinc> :-( unable to open64("/dev/sdc",O_RDONLY): No such file or directory
[15:11] <geirha> sdX are harddrives
[15:11] <geirha> ls /dev/scd*
[15:12] <holstein> erdinc: what is that from?
[15:12] <holstein> trying to burn interpol.mp3 as an audio disc?
[15:12] <erdinc> scd is my dvdrom
[15:12] <erdinc> no holstein
[15:12] <erdinc> no
[15:12] <erdinc> it's a data
[15:12] <erdinc> it doesn't matter
[15:12] <geirha> scd != sdc
[15:12] <erdinc> mp3 pdf, a directory
[15:12] <erdinc> i can change it for you
[15:13] <erdinc> ok geirha
[15:13] <erdinc> ok geirha$ growisofs -dvd-compat -input-charset=ISO-8859-1 -Z /dev/scd -R -J -pad "/home/erdinc/Desktop/interpol.mp3"
[15:13] <erdinc> :-( unable to open64("/dev/scd",O_RDONLY): No such file or directory
[15:14] <erdinc> do you know a command which i can see my drives?
[15:14] <geirha> erdinc: Yes, /dev/scd does not exist, it'll be /dev/scd0 or /dev/scd1 etc. That's why I suggested you run  ls /dev/scd*
[15:14] <erdinc>  /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[15:14] <erdinc> #
[15:14] <erdinc> # Use 'vol_id --uuid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
[15:14] <erdinc> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
[15:14] <erdinc> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[15:14] <erdinc> #
[15:14] <erdinc> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[15:14] <erdinc> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[15:14] <geirha> Also, /dev/dvd is probably a symlink to the correct device
[15:14] <erdinc> # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[15:14] <erdinc> UUID=efb43c84-e1b5-48bd-8fdb-25c8fe4644df /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[15:14] <erdinc> # /dev/sda6 was on /dev/sda7 during installation
[15:14] <erdinc> UUID=c496955f-1d8b-4cbb-b87b-d00578047192 /dev/sda6       ext3    relatime        0       2
[15:14] <erdinc> # swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
[15:14] <erdinc> UUID=875e2507-1f49-4785-b1a2-b3fc1dd3089a none            swap    sw              0       0
[15:15] <erdinc> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[15:15] <holstein> erdinc: you're going to need to pastebin
[15:15] <erdinc> ~
[15:15] <erdinc> ~
[15:15] <erdinc> ~
[15:15] <erdinc> okay, i see scd0
[15:15] <erdinc> and try
[15:15] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:15] <erdinc> $ growisofs -dvd-compat -input-charset=ISO-8859-1 -Z /dev/scd0 -R -J -pad "/home/erdinc/Desktop/interpol.mp3"
[15:15] <erdinc> :-( /dev/scd0: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0
[15:15] <erdinc> what's pastebin?
[15:15] <holstein> its the thing you paste all that into
[15:15] <holstein> so you dont flood the channel like that ^^
[15:16] <erdinc> okay :)
[15:16] <holstein> :)
[15:16] <geirha> erdinc: Do you have more than one optical drives?
[15:16] <holstein> OR other media
[15:16] <erdinc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/579304/
[15:17] <erdinc> no i don't have another devices and media
[15:17] <erdinc> but it can't me
[15:17] <holstein> erdinc: i think changing media might be a good step
[15:17] <erdinc> no
[15:17] <holstein> AH
[15:17] <holstein> ok
[15:17] <geirha> Well, you've probably burned something to the dvd you have in the drive right now.
[15:17] <holstein> erdinc: good luck to you :)
[15:18] <erdinc> holstein thanks, but my english is not so good
[15:18] <erdinc> and i can't find the rigth words
[15:18] <holstein> erdinc: no worries
[15:18] <holstein> i gotta run
[15:18] <erdinc> the trouble is not new!
[15:18] <holstein> geirha seems to be on the right track :)
[15:18] <erdinc> the version of my ubuntu is 9.04
[15:18] <erdinc> :)
[15:19] <geirha> 9.04 is no longer supported
[15:19] <erdinc> i tried the another medias but it's not ok
[15:19] <erdinc> yeah i know
[15:19] <erdinc> i wan't to install 10.10
[15:19] <erdinc> and i can't install it for that reason
[15:19] <erdinc> :)
[15:20] <erdinc> i downloaded iso 10.10
[15:20] <erdinc> and i can't burn the disc
[15:20] <erdinc> and i want the install from harddisc
[15:20] <erdinc> everything is okay
[15:20] <erdinc> but i have some important files
[15:20] <erdinc> and i want to burn a few dvd with these
[15:21] <holstein> erdinc: maybe you can go to another machine?
[15:21] <holstein> a friends machine?
[15:21] <erdinc> haha
[15:21] <holstein> just for that 10.10 burn?
[15:21] <erdinc> :)
[15:21] <erdinc> yes
[15:21] <holstein> upgrading might solve all these issues anyways
[15:21] <geirha> erdinc: are you sure you have the right type of dvd recordable? dvd-r vs dvd+r
[15:21] <erdinc> it will be that i think so
[15:21] <erdinc> :)
[15:21] <holstein> you wont have to troubleshoot a box that you are abandoning anyways
[15:22] <erdinc> geirha, i have philips dvd-r
[15:23] <erdinc> and the dvd driwe can burn dvd
[15:23] <erdinc> writes so on the cove on dvdrom
[15:23] <erdinc> :D
[15:24] <erdinc> do you have another idea geirha or holstein?
[15:25] <geirha> Hm. Then it sounds like a driver issue, or possibly the dvd-recorder is failing.
[15:25] <erdinc> i see, thanks for your helps.
[15:25] <erdinc> geirha and holstein
[15:25] <erdinc> i'll try to another computer.
[15:25] <geirha> I'd try upgrading to 9.10, and then to 10.04 and then try again.
[15:26] <erdinc> okay, it can works, it's so logical :D
[15:26] <geirha> Btw, you can order an Ubuntu CD by mail btw ... completely free, no shipping costs or anything.
[15:27] <erdinc> yes, but i don't have much time.
[15:27] <erdinc> upgrade is more logical.
[15:28] <geirha> Sure. Nice to have an Ubuntu CD around though, just in case.
[15:31] <erdinc> if i find it, it can be good. I think i must go to my friend. I need to use his computer
[15:33] <lordjj> Hi, can someone tell me how to disable Write Caching on my External USB Hard Drive in Ubuntu? Also will this disable it locally on my machine, or will it affect the external HDD such that wherever I connect it write caching will be disabled?
[15:39] <lordjj> anyone?
[15:40] <lordjj> Can someone tell me how to disable Write Caching on my External USB Hard Drive in Ubuntu?
[15:41] <geirha> What filesystem(s) does it have?
[15:43] <lordjj> NTFS
[15:44] <geirha> There's a sync options that make I/O happen synchronously, but I don't think it applies to ntfs.
[15:45] <geirha> So I don't think it's possible, at least not with NTFS.
[15:46] <geirha> Maybe running sync(1) on it after copying something to it works, but I don't know.
[15:48] <lordjj> geirha: what command shows me details about mounted drives? Actually I just bought a Seagate 1TB expansion drive, and I'm not sure of filesystem
[15:49] <geirha> what type of details do you want?
[15:49] <lordjj> geirha: filesystem
[15:49] <geirha> A fresh disk typically has no filesystem, you choose that when you partition and format it.
[15:50] <geirha> Well running   mount  will give you that information (if a little cryptic though)
[15:50] <geirha> sudo blkid   may be a better option, though it also includes filesystems that are not mounted.
[15:51] <geirha> (but you can use  df -h  or   mount  to figure out which are mounted)
[15:52] <lordjj> geirha: I found it woth blkid
[15:52] <lordjj> /dev/sdb1: LABEL="Expansion Drive" UUID="087419B67419A788" TYPE="ntfs"
[15:53] <lordjj> geirha: It's just that I heard that write chaching can cause corrupted data in case of power out or sudden removal. What can I do about that?
[15:55] <KinkyPinkie> Hey, guys! What do you say, party my place tonight!
[15:58] <geirha> lordjj: Well, ntfs is designed to handle that. If it doesn't get cleanly unmounted, like if the power is cut, it has measures in place to recover from it.
[15:58] <geirha> And the way you recover it is by running a filesystem check, which automatically fixes it.
[15:58] <geirha> However, that's not possible from Linux, you must have windows to do a filesystem check on ntfs.
[15:59] <lordjj> geirha: Ok, I didn't know that. How do I run that in XP?
[15:59] <geirha> Right-click -> Check drive  or something like that I'd expect.  I'm not very familiar with XP.
[16:01] <lordjj> geirha: Ok thanks. Btw, out-of-topic: I've read a lot of troubling reviews about Seagate Expansion drives, I'm somewhat concerned; I thought this'd be the best way to back up my data.
[16:02] <geirha> lordjj: Though, filesystem check is only needed for the extreme cases. For the simpler cases, it's enough to just get it mounted in windows, then "Safely remove external drive" in windows, to get it unmounted properly.
[16:04] <geirha> I don't know exactly what is meant by an Expansion drive
[16:04] <geirha> Is it just a regular external drive you connect with usb?
[16:04] <lordjj> It's just a 1TB usb external drive
[16:07] <geirha> I think I've heard they've had a couple of series of external harddrives with a bit higher defect rate than usual. I don't what series that applies to though.
[16:07] <geirha> I'd try Wikipedia and/or Google.
[17:36] <igms> hi to all. i think this question asked many times sorry about that i use ubuntu over 2 years and i think it is time for contribution. i am software engineer at a university in Turkiye. i am interesting in development. if anyone show me the path i would be thankful
[17:45] <geirha> igms: Have you seen http://www.ubuntu.com/community ?
[17:46] <igms> yeah i ve seen it
[17:46] <igms> but it can't help much
[17:47] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu is also good
[17:47] <nlsthzn> ?
[17:47] <nlsthzn> ?
[17:47] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:47] <JoeMaverickSett> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development <-- so is this, igms :)
[17:49] <igms> thanks for quick replies
[17:50] <igms> i will read these but i think what i need is some advice or some experiences of yours
[18:18] <popeluvsu> I talked my boyfriend into installing Ubuntu after his Lenovo ThinkPad Edge 14 arrived, he opted to wipe out windows 7 as he fell in love with the trial run from the disc. But now there are some major problems and I'll feel so guilty if I can't resolve them. Can anyone help me troubleshoot a DNS problem?
[18:19] <bioterror> dns problem
[18:19] <bioterror> he can ping <IP_ADDRESS> without a problem?
[18:19] <popeluvsu> The wifi signal drops out, and when testing on speedtest.net I can't even get through the download speed test
[18:21] <popeluvsu> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[18:21] <popeluvsu> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7010ms
[18:21] <popeluvsu> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 24.460/28.733/39.172/5.635 ms
[18:21] <bioterror> nice
[18:21] <popeluvsu> But then it will drop and not be able to reconnect
[18:21] <popeluvsu> despite other computers on the wifi network working great
[18:22] <bioterror> mmm
[18:22] <popeluvsu> the speed on the mac through speedtest.net will be 9.86 mbps download and 3.88 upload, while this ubuntu10.10 lenovo can't even connect at all
[18:22] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, was it "lspci |grep Network"
[18:22] <bioterror> mac
[18:22] <bioterror> did you say mac
[18:22] <bioterror> ahhh
[18:22] <bioterror> lenovo
[18:22] <popeluvsu> yea, theres a mac in the house
[18:22] <popeluvsu> but this is a lenovo think pad edge
[18:22] <bioterror> yeah we would like to know which wlan card you have
[18:22] <popeluvsu> the lenovo is what im troubleshooting
[18:23] <popeluvsu>  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
[18:24] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: yes. :D
[18:24] <popeluvsu> this is my first try working on ubuntu so I really appreciate your help:)
[18:26] <popeluvsu> I did try downloading the WICD Network Manager to use instead, based on forum threads I read. but that would not connect at all.
[18:26] <popeluvsu> so I switched startup back to the regular network manager.
[18:27] <bioterror> popeluvsu, JoeMaverickSett will assist you ;)
[18:27] <popeluvsu> it's just insanely flaky, when connected it is slow, then it drops out and will not reconnect for a long time, sometimes it will not reconnect unless I reboot. thanks so much!
[18:27] <popeluvsu> thanks joe
[18:30] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10500411&postcount=19
[18:30] <JoeMaverickSett> :|
[18:32] <popeluvsu> thanks bioterror, i see through that link I need to update the bios, is there a beginners step by step somewhere?
[18:34] <JoeMaverickSett> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318789
[18:35] <popeluvsu> thanks, ill work through this and report back
[18:36] <JoeMaverickSett> popeluvsu: also this; http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-flash-your-system-bios-under-linux.html
[19:10] <popeluvsu1> Hi again, I just read through the BIOS updating links you sent for this Lenovo ThinkPad Edge 14 using Ubuntu 10.10 and I'm a little confused on some fronts.
[19:10] <stlsaint> popeluvsu1: who was it that sent you that link?
[19:11] <bioterror> haha
[19:11] <bioterror> it was joe ;)
[19:11] <popeluvsu1> oh sorry, bioterror and joe were helping
[19:11] <popeluvsu1> you guys must laugh all day with the silliness in this chat! ha
[19:11] <ddecator> it has its moments
[19:12] <popeluvsu1> you are like the ER and everyone just has tunnel vision about their injuries and can't think straight to ask the right questions:)
[19:13] <bioterror> I'm always laughing
[19:13] <bioterror> as I'm a hilarious fatty
[19:13] <popeluvsu1> Anyway, I ran the sudu biosdecode and got a ton of info on my bios that i can't really decipher. From reading I know flashing is scary and risky, and I want to be absolutely sure I'm doing it right before I start
[19:13] <ddecator> popeluvsu1: that's a good way of looking at it
[19:14] <ddecator> bioterror: fatties are usually hilarious
[19:14] <bioterror> popeluvsu1, http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-75111.html
[19:14]  * ddecator has not idea why we're trying to flash a bios in the first place, so he'll leave you all to it
[19:14] <ddecator> no*
[19:15] <bioterror> ddecator, becouse wlan cuts signals and one guy got it fixed with updating BIOS
[19:15] <ddecator> ...i'm not sure how that would work, but ok
[19:15] <bioterror> popeluvsu1, download that ISO, burn it with what ever computer you have, boot it and updated it
[19:16] <bioterror> ddecator, I'm atm. flashing my phone :)
[19:16] <bioterror> I got so frustrated with my mockia n97, that I decided to go with WindowsMobile, once again
[19:16] <ddecator> Android FTW :)
[19:17] <bioterror> how can one phone restart itself during sending an MMS
[19:17] <ddecator> mine did when i first got it. it rebooted every time i got an email and it tried to notify me. did a factory reset and no troubles since
[19:17] <popeluvsu1> bioterror: just want to check compatibility based on that link, this may be stupid..but how do I find out what model thinkpadedge I have in ubuntu 10?
[19:18] <bioterror> lshw |less
[19:18] <bioterror> should tell
[19:18] <bioterror> I'm using Windows XP atm. I cant confirm all the commands I'm throwing out of my mind :D
[19:19] <ddecator> that didn't tell me anything on my system..
[19:19] <bioterror> should tell
[19:20] <popeluvsu1> ha, that just said description: computer
[19:22] <popeluvsu1> ok, so i have this lenovo bios link, it does say the update was released 3 days ago so i guess i would probably want to upgrade regardless of problem right? (sorry i'm scared to do this!)
[19:22] <popeluvsu1> <---needs coddling, ha
[19:24] <popeluvsu1> does it matter that I'm not running windows 7?
[19:25] <bioterror> popeluvsu1, it doesnt matter at all
[19:26] <popeluvsu> sorry, wifi dropped again
[20:24] <popeluvsu> Having tons of wifi issues with ubuntu 10.10 on my lenovo thinkpad edge. its my first time using linux at all...do you think I should switch to 10.4 instead? Is that less buggy?
[20:31] <duanedesign> hello popeluvsu
[20:32] <popeluvsu> hi!
[20:33] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: you might try a newer kernel to see if that helps
[20:34] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: what network card do you have. Could you run the command   lshw -C network
[20:34] <popeluvsu> duanedesign: I'll try anything, I already tried using a different network controller, updating BIOS to no avail. Can you help me find info on trying a new kernel?
[20:35] <popeluvsu> RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller
[20:35] <duanedesign> ok
[20:37] <popeluvsu> some others have pointed me to an issue on the forums that said updating BIOS helped with this lenovo thinkpad problem, so I downloaded the BIOS ISO, burnt to a disk, and then I couldnt get it to update.
[20:38] <duanedesign> hmm
[20:39] <popeluvsu> During the BIOS boot, it gave me 2 options, the first was to update, when I hit enter it said, "you do not need an update at this time" and it cancelled the action
[20:40] <popeluvsu> the 2nd thing was "update model number" and when I hit enter on that...it gave me a model number already filled in..
[20:40] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: can you try this command
[20:40] <popeluvsu> sure.
[20:40] <duanedesign> lsmod | r8192se_pci
[20:40] <duanedesign> see if that is the wireless module you have
[20:40] <popeluvsu> command not found
[20:41] <popeluvsu> did i copy it wrong?
[20:41] <popeluvsu> lsmod | r8192se_pci
[20:41] <duanedesign> ohh sorry
[20:42] <duanedesign> lsmod | grep r8192se_pci
[20:42] <popeluvsu> r8192se_pci           469870  0
[20:42] <popeluvsu> cfg80211              144694  1 r8192se_pci
[20:42] <duanedesign> ok
[20:43] <duanedesign> can you try these commands:
[20:43] <popeluvsu> sure
[20:44] <popeluvsu> by the way thanks for helping me!
[20:44] <duanedesign> rmmod r8192se_pci
[20:44] <duanedesign> then
[20:44] <duanedesign> modprobe r8192se_pci hwwep=0
[20:44] <duanedesign> that willl unload then reload the module
[20:44] <popeluvsu> do i put them in seperately?
[20:45] <popeluvsu> or one after the other?
[20:45] <duanedesign> yes one at a time
[20:46] <popeluvsu> the first one says ERROR: Removing 'r8192se_pci': Operation not permitted
[20:47] <popeluvsu> the second one does not elicit a response
[20:47] <duanedesign> oh,, you will likely need to add sudo.
[20:47] <duanedesign> sudo rmmod r8192se_pci
[20:47] <duanedesign> then you will have to put in your password
[20:47] <duanedesign> then run:   sudo modprobe r8192se_pci hwwep=0
[20:50] <popeluvsu> ok im back
[20:50] <duanedesign> :)
[20:51] <popeluvsu> I saw on the forums that people were using this website called speedtest.net to test their connection
[20:52] <popeluvsu> besides the wifi cutting out over and over, its speed is super slow while its not on the other computer. im gunna check right now:)
[20:52] <popeluvsu> omg, this is a miracle! thank you duanedesign so far its running fast than ever!
[20:53] <popeluvsu> i've never gotten a download speed over 2mbps and now its at 14!
[20:53] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: awesome!
[20:53] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: ok now
[20:53] <duanedesign> we are not quite done
[20:53] <popeluvsu> oooh ok
[20:54] <popeluvsu> yes, anything that helps i'm willing to do:)
[20:54] <duanedesign> you will have to that everytime :(
[20:54] <popeluvsu> oh no!
[20:54] <duanedesign> so we want to make it happen automagically
[20:54] <popeluvsu> everytime i restart? or everytime it logs off
[20:54] <popeluvsu> ?
[20:55] <popeluvsu> and btw, is this a common issue in 10.10 or a common issue with this wifi card? Im so curious to learn as much as I can:)
[20:55] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: ok, run this command
[20:55] <popeluvsu> ready!
[20:55] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: ls  /etc/modprobe.d/
[20:55] <duanedesign> it will list the contents of that folder
[20:55] <duanedesign> we want to see if this file exists
[20:56] <duanedesign> realtek.conf
[20:56] <duanedesign> probably is not there
[20:56] <popeluvsu> do not see it:
[20:56] <popeluvsu> alsa-base.conf              blacklist-modem.conf
[20:56] <popeluvsu> blacklist-ath_pci.conf      blacklist-oss.conf
[20:56] <popeluvsu> blacklist.conf              blacklist-watchdog.conf
[20:56] <popeluvsu> blacklist-firewire.conf     intel-5300-iwlagn-disable11n.conf
[20:56] <popeluvsu> blacklist-framebuffer.conf
[20:56] <duanedesign> ok
[20:56] <duanedesign> we will create it
[20:57] <popeluvsu> i am ready
[20:57] <duanedesign> run the command:  gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/realtek.conf
[20:58] <duanedesign> put this line in the file:
[20:58] <duanedesign> options r8192se_pci hwwep=0
[20:58] <popeluvsu> ok, i have a new blank window
[20:58] <popeluvsu> alright. just save it now?
[20:58] <duanedesign> then save it and you are done. :)
[20:58] <popeluvsu> done:)
[20:59] <popeluvsu> thank you so much duane
[20:59] <duanedesign> it seems the WEP encoding and decodin is buggy
[20:59] <duanedesign> so that hwwep=0  turns it off
[20:59] <popeluvsu> i see, this is so interesting!
[20:59] <duanedesign> which is fine WPA is better anyway :)
[20:59] <popeluvsu> so far my wifi is running fantastically.
[21:00] <popeluvsu> i'm so glad too, because I actually installed this on my boyfriends computer and threw out his windows...he was jazzed about ubuntu until the wireless bug!
[21:00] <duanedesign> :)
[21:01] <popeluvsu> I thought I was gunna be in big trouble if i didnt fix it, i've been glued to forums for the past 2 days trying everything!
[21:01] <popeluvsu> hehe
[21:01] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: well i am so glad it worked
[21:01] <popeluvsu> me too thanks again.
[21:01] <duanedesign> how did you find us?
[21:01] <popeluvsu> i went through the support tab on ubuntu.com
[21:02] <popeluvsu> and saw an IRC option
[21:02] <duanedesign> oh nice
[21:02] <duanedesign> #ubuntu is always so busy, it is hard to get help in there
[21:02] <popeluvsu> yes, they even list this chat # on the pidgeon guide
[21:02] <popeluvsu> pidgin*
[21:02] <popeluvsu> yes im so relieved to meet folks here. it's a wonderful community, and i hope to contribute one day
[21:03] <duanedesign> the community is awesome.
[21:03] <duanedesign> I have made a lot of friends
[21:03] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: if you do ever want to contribute to the community you should join us on the BEginners Team
[21:03] <popeluvsu> you wouldnt by chance know a way to videochat between pidgin and ichat or gchat users would you?
[21:04] <duanedesign> hmm, on pidgin..
[21:04] <popeluvsu> i would love to be there on beginners team. I'm committed to learning more and more about open source, hoping to pick up python and get better aquainted with linux so maybe one day the gender gap in tech will be a little less severe.
[21:05] <duanedesign> definetly
[21:05] <popeluvsu> i tried empathy for the video chat too, but empathy seems really problematic.
[21:05] <duanedesign> the community is trying really hard to get more diversity on the community
[21:05] <duanedesign> the folks at #ubuntu-women are really nice
[21:06] <popeluvsu> oh wow, i didnt even think to check for a women's room
[21:06] <popeluvsu> so cool!
[21:08] <popeluvsu> well thank you again, i really truly appreciate this..i was thinking for a minute i would have to go back to windows 7
[21:08] <duanedesign> pidgin should work for video chat, i think
[21:08] <popeluvsu> the pidgin video chat seems to activate...and then dissapeer
[21:08] <popeluvsu> but i notice i can now videochat through gmail in the browser
[21:08] <popeluvsu> so theres an option at least:)
[21:10] <duanedesign> might make sure you have these packages installed
[21:10] <duanedesign> you can run the command:
[21:11] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[21:12] <popeluvsu> cool done
[21:12] <popeluvsu> it said:
[21:12] <popeluvsu> Reading package lists... Done
[21:12] <popeluvsu> Building dependency tree
[21:12] <popeluvsu> Reading state information... Done
[21:12] <popeluvsu> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg is already the newest version.
[21:12] <popeluvsu> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly is already the newest version.
[21:12] <popeluvsu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:13] <popeluvsu> and video camera seems to activate for 1 second (led turns on) but then closes down, chat window closes too
[21:15] <duanedesign> ohh, also if you have not this is a good package to install as well. It has the mp3, Java, microsoft fonts, dvd support, and flash. Stuff that Ubuntu can not include by default because of licensing and stuff
[21:16] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:16] <popeluvsu> oooh cool
[21:16] <duanedesign> usually the first package I install on a new setup :)
[21:16] <popeluvsu> awesome:)
[21:17] <popeluvsu> I have a question about the messaging system in gnome...like when an instant message comes in...or any alert, you know the translucent grey window that comes up to tell you.
[21:17] <popeluvsu> are you supposed to be able to click on that? (dumb question I know)
[21:18] <popeluvsu> it just seems intuitive that i should be able to click the alert/message and be directed to whatever program is active with it
[21:18] <popeluvsu> but when i mouse over it just disapeers
[21:19] <duanedesign> no it is not interactive
[21:19] <popeluvsu> ha ok
[21:19] <popeluvsu> i was wondering if i was just missing something!
[21:19] <duanedesign> funny you should mention it. That has been a debate in the community
[21:20] <duanedesign> so your not the only one who thinks that is intuitive :)
[21:20] <popeluvsu> thats funny! I really did intuitively want to click it.
[21:20] <popeluvsu> haha
[21:20] <duanedesign> did you say the Gtalk video works in the browser?
[21:20] <popeluvsu> yes
[21:21] <duanedesign> hmm
[21:21] <duanedesign> so it not a webcam issue
[21:21] <popeluvsu> no the camera and mic work well in the browser
[21:21] <popeluvsu> its not too pressing if you cant find a simple solution! integration in pidgin is nice, but in browser is no problem now that my internet is so fast!
[21:22] <popeluvsu> also im surprised that facebook chat isnt in pidgin yet
[21:23] <duanedesign> are you using pidgin or empathy?
[21:23] <popeluvsu> pidgin but maybe i'll give empathy another try
[21:23] <popeluvsu> i just went to pidgin because i couldnt get to this irc chat without it:)
[21:23] <duanedesign> ok, just curious. Some people prefer pidgin
[21:24] <duanedesign> Xchat is a nice irc application.
[21:24] <popeluvsu> yea i just tried video chatting to my other computer in empathy now
[21:24] <popeluvsu> and the same issue happens
[21:25] <popeluvsu> the camera activates for 1 second..doesnt get a picture and shuts down.
[21:25] <duanedesign> weird
[21:25] <popeluvsu> is there a photobooth like application similiar to apple?
[21:25] <popeluvsu> maybe i should test my camera in other things too
[21:30] <popeluvsu> hey that package you had me install with the microsoft fonts...after the installation an end-user license agreement took over my terminal
[21:30] <duanedesign> lol
[21:30] <popeluvsu> should i just exit out of that? or should i do something "configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer"
[21:30] <popeluvsu> hehe
[21:30] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: probably the only one you will ever see in Ubuntu
[21:31] <popeluvsu> so i'll just exit out of it then:)
[21:31] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: is their an 'ok' sometimes you have to, I think push the right arrow to get to the ok selection
[21:31] <popeluvsu> ooh
[21:32] <popeluvsu> there is an ok, but i couldnt figure out how to engage it
[21:32] <popeluvsu> enter didnt do it
[21:32] <popeluvsu> oooh an arrow
[21:32] <popeluvsu> crazy
[21:32] <duanedesign> yeah, they are weird
[21:32] <popeluvsu> so funny, i feel like i've learned a semesters worth in just the past hour
[21:32] <popeluvsu> ha
[21:33] <duanedesign> one of the nice things about Ubuntu and Open Source software is no more 25 page User Agreements
[21:33] <popeluvsu> no more norton anti virus popups, or secret running applications taking up all processors energy
[21:34] <duanedesign> My iphone alerted me that it had a new User Agreement. I thought who reads all that! No telling what I am agreeing to :P
[21:34] <popeluvsu> ha
[21:34] <duanedesign> so true
[21:34] <duanedesign> not having to worry about virus software is nce
[21:35] <popeluvsu> i've been on mac for a good few years, they are becoming like Skynet now, but I admit I was totally stunned at the in-usability of the boyfriends Window 7
[21:35] <popeluvsu> we tried to do simple things on it, and it was just so beyond intuition...the most obstructive design i've ever seen!
[21:35] <popeluvsu> so even a buggy ubuntu is better than a windows 7
[21:35] <popeluvsu> though with your help, im on my way to bug-free:)
[21:37] <popeluvsu> any ideas on how to reactivate some of my hotkeys?
[21:37] <duanedesign> a lot less 'bloat' too. I have Ubuntu running on older computers that would not even think about running Windows  7
[21:38] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: what hotkeys are you having problems with?
[21:38] <popeluvsu> the top keyboard keys for microphone, camera, video and wifi dont do anything
[21:38] <popeluvsu> though im not sure what theyre supposed to do anyway!
[21:39] <popeluvsu> the volume keys and brightness keys are working fine though
[21:40] <duanedesign> popeluvsu:  what type of laptop is it?
[21:41] <popeluvsu> lenovo thinkpad edge 14
[21:44] <popeluvsu> hey duane, its ok about the buttons! thanks for everything
[21:45] <popeluvsu> Im researching a netflix streaming workaround now, still so thrilled about the wifi speed
[21:45] <duanedesign> ok
[21:49] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: out fo curiousity what kernel are you using. You can find it with the command:  uname -a
[21:50] <duanedesign> i found some bug reports on the hotkey issue. supposed to be fixed in newer kernels...
[21:51] <popeluvsu> hey i was looking and couldnt access uname-a
[21:51] <popeluvsu> command not found, i tried putting sudo in front of it too
[21:51] <popeluvsu> no dice
[21:52] <popeluvsu> oooh i didnt put the space
[21:52] <popeluvsu> my bad
[21:52] <popeluvsu> 2.6.35-27-generic-pae #48-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 22 21:46:58 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:53] <duanedesign> hmm. ok
[21:54] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: reaading the bug report. The camera hot key 'should' work
[21:54] <duanedesign>   The camera hotkey has the following effect:
[21:54] <duanedesign>   * in camera mode, it takes snapshots
[21:54] <duanedesign>   * in video mode it starts and stops recording.
[21:55] <duanedesign> it says you can test it using 'Cheese'.  I am not aware of one. Netflix needs to get with the program!
[22:04] <popeluvsu> totally. I know that boxee is open source
[22:05] <popeluvsu> and that runs netflix, so its bizarre to me that they wont update open source for linux
[22:07] <duanedesign> popeluvsu: companies are slowly starting to notice Linux. A lot of that has to do with Ubuntu's progress to bring OPen Source to the masses.
[22:08] <duanedesign> s/to bring/in bringing
[22:50] <PabloRubianes> bye team.. bbl


[02:59] <dashua> !seen Amaranth
[19:46] <Kajover> hey.. short question.. will the new dusttheme come with ubuntu 8.10 (or is it already in use in the current beta). And where can I get this wallpaper? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=dust-0917-screenshot.jpg