[17:25] <virtuosoj> Ubuntu 16.04.2 uses the 4.8 kernel right?  Why am I still on 4.4 after doing apt update apt upgrade??
[17:26] <Southern_Gentlem> did you reboot
[17:26] <Pici> virtuosoj: did you do an apt full-upgrade ?
[17:27] <nicomachus> MrFixIt: there have been some setbacks in the 16.04.2 release, so they may have modified the kernel. idk.
[17:28] <nicomachus> but yea, what Pici said. Did you do full-upgrade?
[17:28] <Dreaman> virtuosoj  this is for 16.10 4.8
[17:28] <MrFixIt> virtuosoj, it looks like you are going to need to install linux-image-extra-4.8.0-36-generic  as a minimum to pick it up. You need to add whatever other necessary linux 4.8 packages too.
[17:30] <MrFixIt> sorry virtuosoj I meant linux-image-4.8.0-36-generic and the other related packages.
[17:31] <MrFixIt> virtuosoj, if you head in that direction just make sure you don't have any issues with new or older drivers... best to read the release notes first
[17:31] <MrFixIt> nicomachus, I think you are probably right about that, I had seen they were encountering a few regressions
[17:32] <nacc> virtuosoj: the correct fix is to install the hwe pacakge
[17:32] <nacc> virtuosoj: note that this was (i believe) in the release notes
[17:32] <iresf> hello   i have installed apache2  , php 7 and mysql on ubuntu 16.04   but when i want to run a php file it returns source code and does not excute it    pleasehelp
[17:32] <nacc> virtuosoj: upgraders will not be auto-enrolled
[17:32] <RNeville> can I use Ubuntu Live CD 16.05 to reset driver for video card to nouveau
[17:32] <nacc> virtuosoj: fresh installs will be auto-enrolled in hwe (if they install 16.04.2) aiui
[17:33] <nacc> iresf: did you install libapache2-mod-php ?
[17:33] <iresf> nacc : yes
[17:34] <RNeville> Ubuntu Live CD 16.04/ Ubuntu Live CD 16.05**
[17:35] <skyfaller> hi folks, I'm sadly running Ubuntu 12.04, and my server seems to be under a DOS attack of some sort. I want to block specific IP addresses using iptables, but it's not working
[17:35] <skyfaller> I'm saying something like "sudo iptables -A INPUT -s <IP_ADDRESS> -j DROP"
[17:35] <skyfaller> but then when I go "sudo iptables -L" I don't see that rule listed
[17:36] <skyfaller> can anyone help?
[17:36] <virtuosoj> nacc: what's the easiest way for me to enroll?
[17:36] <CrazySane> skyfaller: if it is a DOS, IP tables on the machine being DOS'ed isn't going to help too much
[17:36] <CrazySane> skyfaller: Truly, you need to filter them upstream so the box never received the rogue packets in the first place.
[17:37] <skyfaller> hm, that didn't occur to me
[17:37] <CrazySane> skyfaller: the box still has to deal with those packets when it receives them (even if it's blackholing them) so it's still going to DOS if there are enough of them.
[17:38] <CrazySane> skyfaller: tho, IP Tables will mitigate a small DOS.
[17:38] <skyfaller> it has to be a small DOS, I'm hosting a handful of no-name sites, there's no reason for anyone to DOS me in the first place :P
[17:38] <CrazySane> skyfaller: what makes you think you're being DOS'ed in the first place?
[17:39] <orgasmix> depends. a DoS might target an application's weakness in the way it handles/replies to packets (i.e. leverage effect). in that case iptables will be useful
[17:39] <nacc> virtuosoj: looking one sec
[17:39] <Aleric> I solved my issue...
[17:39] <Aleric> Thanks for the help.
[17:40] <nacc> virtuosoj: for X, xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04; for kernel, linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[17:40] <CrazySane> orgasmix: that's what I'm referring to. If the reason the DOS is effective is because the network layer is at capacity, then IP tables won't help. If it's because the application layer can't handle the load, then IP tables will help.
[17:40] <skyfaller> CrazySane: well, this looks a lot like something that happened to me several months ago, my server slowed to a crawl, I tried rolling back to a known-good backup but the problem persisted.
[17:40] <skyfaller> CrazySane: Then I said sudo watch -d -n0 "netstat -atnp | grep ESTA" and saw a constant stream of weird traffic, so I blocked those IP addresses and then my server ran fine
[17:40] <nacc> k1l: other regulars, we may want to make the above a FAQ (the 16.04.2 HWE packages)
[17:41] <skyfaller> CrazySane: again I see some weird traffic using that command, so I want to try taking the same steps I took last time, but this time it's not working and I don't know why
[17:41] <skyfaller> and it's really hard to do any diagnostic stuff because my server is at 100$
[17:41] <skyfaller> *100% CPU
[17:41] <iresf> i do not know why apache can not render php file
[17:41] <CrazySane> can you do    netstat -atnp | grep ESTA | pastebinit
[17:41] <iresf> it only returns source code
[17:42] <orgasmix> CrazySane: Imagine an application layer badly-designed so that any 1B incoming packet triggers a 10B response. Surely a single attacker can cause the application to overload its own network. That's the leverage effect, and iptables will block that
[17:42] <nacc> iresf: did you enable mod_php? did you specify that php files should be interpreted in the config?
[17:42] <CrazySane> orgasmix: I think we're in agreement here.
[17:43] <\9> skyfaller: on an unrelated note, 12.04 only has 2 months of support left. you'll need to upgrade soon
[17:43] <iresf> nacc : which config file  ?
[17:43] <CrazySane> skyfaller: can you do    netstat -atnp | grep ESTA | pastebinit
[17:43] <NemesisD> anyone know why when i do lsof i get lots of things with the "command" column of "foo" but lsof -c foo returns nothing. oddly enough, negating it lsof -c ^foo returns everything *but* the foos
[17:43] <CrazySane> skyfaller: and give us the link. I want to see what addresses you're susp of.
[17:44] <skyfaller> CrazySane: ok, I'm trying, first I have to install pastebinit
[17:44] <nacc> iresf: apache's for the site you are trying to load
[17:44] <skyfaller> \9: yes, I am sadly aware of this fact
[17:45] <birkhoffc> hi
[17:45] <virtuosoj> nacc: just install those with apt?
[17:45] <CrazySane> When did patebinit become a standard install (if ever?) I'd never heard of it until I started volunteering here.. and it was already installed.. but some (older) installs don't have it by default
[17:45] <iresf> nacc  : i do not know how to config it   , if you have any tutorial please send me it
[17:45] <nacc> virtuosoj: yeah, that should be all you need
[17:45] <skyfaller> CrazySane: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24014766/
[17:45] <virtuosoj> nacc: ty!
[17:45] <nacc> CrazySane: are you on a server? it's preinstalled there, iirc
[17:46] <Waldo_Sub> Waldo
[17:46] <Waldo_Sub> #CollarSpace_Lobby
[17:46] <skyfaller> CrazySane: the sshd entries are me, the others I'm suspicious of
[17:46] <nacc> iresf: apache configuration is sort of outside the context, there might be some docs in /usr/share/doc
[17:46] <skyfaller> CrazySane: nobody ever visits my websites, and if they do they visit it once, not every other second
[17:46] <birkhoffc> hhhhhhhhh
[17:46] <birkhoffc> lo;
[17:46] <birkhoffc> lol
[17:46] <CrazySane> skyfaller: line 2 & 3 are a network local to the box.
[17:47] <skyfaller> oh.  Why would other computers on the Linode network be pinging me constantly?
[17:48] <CrazySane> skyfaller: line 5 is a datacenter for Amazon in Ireland.
[17:48] <CrazySane> skyfaller: line 6 is Amazon again in Singapore
[17:49] <iresf> i have installed libapache2-mod-php7.0 but when i use  libapache2-mod-php7.0  it says it does not exist     i could not solve it  so far
[17:49] <CrazySane> skyfaller: and 7 is Amazon in Brazil
[17:49] <nacc> iresf: 'use libapache2-mod-php7.0'? use where, with what. Pastebin exact commands and output.
[17:49] <CrazySane> skyfaller: You don't happen to host with Amazon do you?
[17:50] <skyfaller> CrazySane: no, I'm on Linode. http://linode.com/
[17:52] <skyfaller> CrazySane: someone in the Linode channel said they think the 192 address is an AUTOMATTIC address, not a local address
[17:52] <CrazySane> skyfaller: that depends on your definition of "automatic"
[17:52] <skyfaller> CrazySane: https://myip.ms/view/ip_addresses/3221250048/<IP_ADDRESS>_<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:53] <CrazySane> skyfaller: Ah! Doah! Right. XD
[17:53] <skyfaller> " That's the company basically behind WP, so you're probably seeing WP ping-backs or something."
[17:53] <lesshaste> is there a channel to discuss bittorrent clients?
[17:53] <CrazySane> skyfaller: I agree. I read that IP too fast and thought it said "192.168"
[17:54] <skyfaller> understandable mistake :)
[17:54] <genuine_> is ubuntu going to release a cinnamon or is there a way to get cinammon on ubuntu?
[17:55] <CrazySane> skyfaller: longshot guess here.. but perhaps Wordpress is hosted on Amazon's Cloud?
[17:55] <skyfaller> ... not out of the realm of possibility. I guess I'd better go ask in their channel too
[17:55] <CrazySane> skyfaller: But I can't see these few connections DOS'ing your service.
[17:55] <nacc> !info cinnamon | genuine_
[17:55] <ANNA-cc> Command "info" / "info cinnamon" not found.
[17:56] <CrazySane> New bot?
[17:56] <nacc> !ops: please kick ANNA-cc a bot intercepting ubottu commands.
[17:56] <ANNA-cc> Command "ops:" / "ops: please" not found.
[17:56] <nacc> !ops
[17:56] <ANNA-cc> Command "ops" not found.
[17:56] <ANNA-cc>  Did you mean "!apropos" ?
[17:56] <nacc> please kick ANNA-cc a bot intercepting ubottu commands. --^
[17:57] <Aleric> skyfaller: aren't those broadcasts? My ISP also used to be so stupid to pass broadcasts between clients - I could see the DHCP requests from my neighbors.
[17:57] <CrazySane> thanks
[17:57] <genuine_> nacc, thanks for the response, where do i find the package?
[17:57] <nacc> genii: thank you
[17:57] <genii> np
[17:57] <nacc> genuine_: not sure i understand? it's in universe in all ubuntu 16.04+
[17:57] <skyfaller> Aleric: I don't know enough about anything to respond to your suggestion :)
[17:58] <nicomachus> genii: apt install cinnamon
[17:58] <nacc> genuine_: --^
[17:58] <genuine_> oh ok Thank you very much
[17:58] <nicomachus> that's what I meant. sorry genii.
[17:58] <genii> :)
[17:58] <nicomachus> go back to your coffee
[17:58] <nicomachus> or install cinnamon, see if I care.
[17:59] <nacc> heh
[18:00] <CrazySane> skyfaller: So where do we stand now?
[18:00]  * nicomachus wonders if cinnamon even works on gentoo...
[18:00] <skyfaller> CrazySane: I'm not sure, my CPU is still at 100% and I can't do anything :P
[18:01] <genuine_> now that i installed it, how do i apply it?
[18:02] <CrazySane> skyfaller: Is it the Apache process that is pegged?
[18:02] <CrazyTux> hello, could anyone advise on the preferred option to update Ubuntu? Using Software updater or using sudo apt-get update/upgrade.
[18:02] <nicomachus> genuine_: log out. then click the little ubuntu logo next to your username on the login screen, and select Cinnamon. Then log in.
[18:02] <pavlos> skyfaller, can you use 'top' and see which process is at 100%
[18:02] <CrazySane> CrazyTux: They are the same
[18:02] <genuine_> ok thanks :D
[18:02] <wildlander> ubuntu 16.04.2 was released. yay!!!
[18:03] <skyfaller> yeah, it's all apache2 processes
[18:03] <CrazyTux> ok.
[18:03] <iresf> nacc :
[18:03] <nacc> iresf: yes?
[18:03] <CrazySane> skyfaller: Perhaps it would be better suited if you go to an Apache channel and get them to help you figure out why your apache install is losing its mind over a few connections.
[18:04] <nacc> iresf: afaik, i asked a question, you haven't responded
[18:04] <skyfaller> ... I'm already in 3 channels :( But here goes another one...
[18:04] <iresf> when i use sudo a2dismod php7.0   it says  : ERROR  : Module php7.0 does not exist
[18:04] <CrazySane> skyfaller: sometimes too many opinions can muddy the waters. ;)
[18:04] <a64> Hello guys i wanna fix my photos format on linux is there any application to do it ?
[18:05] <CrazySane> a64: Can you be more specific: "fix my photos format"
[18:05] <nacc> !who | iresf: so i know you're responding to me.
[18:05] <CrazySane> a64: Do you mean it's currently a JPG and you want it to be a PNG instead?
[18:05] <nacc> iresf: i'm not sure how that's possible if you've installed the packages
[18:06] <CrazyTux> which is the most comprehensive archiving application available for Ubuntu? the one that support most of the compression formats.
[18:06] <a64> CrazySane, i got around 700 images without any extensions i wanna  add extension
[18:06] <a64> yup
[18:06] <nacc> a64: extensions don't mean anything on linux
[18:06] <nacc> a64: so use `rename`
[18:06] <CrazySane> a64: Check this out: https://askubuntu.com/questions/485525/how-to-mass-add-file-extension
[18:06] <nacc> a64: if you mean you wan to convert them, then use `convert` probably
[18:07] <nacc> CrazySane: tar? with appropriate flags
[18:07] <a64> nacc, i know mate but when i transfer my photos to my phone its wont view
[18:07] <nacc> a64: sounds like a bug in the phone :)
[18:07] <CrazySane> nacc: Sorry - similar names @ CrazyTux
[18:07] <nicomachus> what format are the images?
[18:07] <nacc> CrazySane: argh, sorry!
[18:07] <nicomachus> a64
[18:07] <pavlos> skyfaller, try strace the process, ... strace -vv -s 2048 -o /tmp/httpd.trace -p <pid>
[18:07] <nacc> CrazyTux: tar? with appropriate flags
[18:08] <a64> .jpg dunno why its not working damn on iphone  :@
[18:08] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:08] <BluesKaj> sorry nicomachus ..was AFK  for a while
[18:09] <CrzySane> pavlos: thanks for stepping in to help with Apache, not my forte.
[18:10] <pavlos> CrzySane, not my forte either, but I look at pages and suggest
[18:10] <CrzySane> pavlos: at least you had an idea where to start.
[18:10] <skyfaller> ... what's the PID? :(
[18:11] <CrzySane> skyfaller: run top, the PID is listed in the first column
[18:11] <skyfaller> CrzySane: oh right, thanks :)
[18:12] <ginor> ciao
[18:12] <skyfaller> ok, I think I'm doing the strace now, why am I doing this?
[18:12] <ginor> !list
[18:14] <skyfaller> pavlos: I don't think strace will help here, it's a zillion different apache2 processes, there's a new one every second
[18:15] <skyfaller> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24014985/
[18:17] <pavlos> CrzySane, if you look at /tmp/httpd.trace, there should be syscalls all over ...
[18:17] <pavlos> skyfaller, , if you look at /tmp/httpd.trace, there should be syscalls all over ...
[18:17] <skyfaller> I can't get iptables to drop an address :(  http://pastebin.com/WGsUwgsn
[18:20] <skyfaller> pavlos: hm, you appear to be right. it looks like a bunch of requests to one specific website I host
[18:21] <pavlos> skyfaller, maybe it cannot reach that website ...
[18:21] <kur1j> can someone explain to me how the Ubuntu team is making the cloudimg so small? specifically xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img 308M
[18:21] <skyfaller> wouldn't be surprising, since my CPU is maxed out
[18:22] <kur1j> I'm trying to create an image manually and I am using the minimal ubuntu installer and without selecting anything its 1.9GB for me
[18:22] <skyfaller> pavlos: basically, nothing else matters until I get my CPU down to a reasonable level, that's all I need help with at this moment
[18:24] <skyfaller> pavlos: here's a paste of /tmp/httpd.trace ... just scroll past all of the empty space. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24015006/
[18:24] <pavlos> skyfaller, ps -ef | grep apache2 should list all the pid's, there should be a master pid and slave apache2 pid's under that master. Can you kill some of the slave pid's?
[18:25] <skyfaller> pavlos: ok, how do I kill them? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24015031/
[18:25] <iresf> when i use   sudo a2enmod php7.0  it says : ERROR  Module php7.0 does not exist  !
[18:26] <geigerCounter> Hi there!  I set it up to use MySQL for authentication and Dovecot for imap and pop3 according to a guide I found. Now I'm trying to secure it with TLS and I think I broke it.  Google warrior at your service.
[18:28] <pavlos> skyfaller, kill 24381
[18:28] <skyfaller> pavlos: OK, I'll try it, but you realize several new processes are being created every second
[18:28] <AionNL|2> yes skyfaller, but if you kill the parent
[18:28] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, please use paste.ubuntu.com and put your config
[18:28] <AionNL|2> no new babies will be born :P
[18:29] <mynameis> hey
[18:29] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: I'm using the split config and also there's potentially some sensitive information. How do I get the lump sum of my exim config into a paste?
[18:29] <mynameis> I'm on Ubuntu 14.04.5 with default radeon gpu driver how do I set higher resolution than 1024x768?
[18:29] <AionNL|2> quick stupid remark on reverse dns zone : when range was 192.168.1.x the reverse arpa would be 1.168.192.app right ?
[18:29] <skyfaller> ohhhh, that was easy... I guess I just killed apache2
[18:29] <RNeville> need help uninstalling a proprietary Nvidia driver, my computer has black screen on boot
[18:29] <AionNL|2> yes skyfaller :)
[18:30] <AionNL|2> now you look at the logs and see what goes wrong
[18:30] <skyfaller> ok, now my CPU is not at 100%, what do I do?
[18:30] <pavlos> skyfaller, there is a config directive how many slave processes to be spawned in apache2, cant remember the exact directive (and I dont have apache2 running to test
[18:30] <a64> CrzySane, yeah but my problem is english is my second language :( and newbie in linux
[18:31] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, definitely scrub sensitive data first. You can leave the configs in separate pastes
[18:31] <skyfaller> can anyone tell me why I couldn't drop specific IP addresses? That's been the most frustrating part to me. I know where the traffic is coming from, if I just block it that would be more useful than taking my websites offline
[18:32] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Alright, one moment...
[18:32] <AionNL|2> @skyfaller , how did you try to drop the ip?
[18:34] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Question, can I paste the "config.autogenerated" located in /var/lib/exim4 ? That contains all of the configuration patched together in one file, right?
[18:34] <mynameis> I can't set a higher resolution than 1024x768 please help! I have tried installing different video drivers, nothing works for me
[18:35] <b-yeezi> That would be a good start at least.
[18:35] <geigerCounter> Alright. Give me a sec to scrub the sensitive data then.
[18:36] <b-yeezi> Also, what TLS version are you using? Is it a question of handshake being refused?
[18:37] <geigerCounter> I'm not sure.
[18:38] <nicomachus> mynameis: can you pastebin the output of `xrandr` and link here please?
[18:38] <geigerCounter> It works for Dovecot on the IMAP side of things, but not exim4 on the SMTP side. I'm using self-signed certs for now. ( Going to switch over to letsencrypt certs when I get it to connect successfully. )
[18:38]  * xrandr barfs for mynameis so he can put it in the pastebin :P
[18:38] <mynameis> nicomachus sure one moment
[18:38] <nicomachus> 0_o
[18:39] <b-yeezi> Are you allowing the self-signed cert to be accepted in telnet?
[18:39] <Dreaman> mynameis you pc parameters
[18:39] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Uhmm...  We don't need PC parameters, we need xrandr- output
[18:40] <RNeville> tried to edit grub menu with this command : nomodeset (with no success)
[18:40] <mynameis> hey xrandr could you give me the output? :)
[18:40] <Dreaman> nicomachus ok
[18:40] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, that could be the problem. For security, self-signed certs are rejected in a lot of protocols by default
[18:40] <nicomachus> maximum 16384 x 16384  0_o
[18:40] <nicomachus> what
[18:40] <mynameis> xrandr I can provide you with parameters if needed
[18:41] <geigerCounter> Oh hmm.
[18:41] <mynameis> what
[18:41] <RNeville> found this command to edit grub menu : nouveau.modeset=0
[18:41] <xrandr> mynameis: that requires me to do something.
[18:41] <nicomachus> mynameis: is this an external monitor or laptop or what?
[18:41] <CrzySane> !enter | RNeville
[18:41]  * xrandr is lazy....built by lazy developers
[18:41] <mynameis> it's a desktop pc connected to a normal monitor via dvi
[18:41] <pavlos> skyfaller, look at /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, MaxKeepAliveRequests and KeepAliveRequests
[18:41] <nicomachus> xrandr: please either change your name or stop making jokes every time the package is mentioned.
[18:41] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: But why is the connection timing out when trying to connect remotely?
[18:42] <mynameis> lol
[18:42] <nicomachus> mynameis: ok. the maximum value there is VERY weird. I've never seen it show something so outrageous like that...
[18:42] <mynameis> wow
[18:42] <Dreaman> mynameis  i use 4k
[18:42] <RNeville> not sure if last command enables nouveau driver or disable nouveau drive, i.e, : nouveau.modeset=0
[18:42] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24015110
[18:42] <Dreaman> my monitors systems work
[18:43] <nicomachus> !nomodeset | RNeville
[18:43] <Xundres> hi, how can i solve problems with compyling a packet? I receive always some error when I try ./cofngure
[18:43] <mynameis> nicomachus I guess it's the maximum value of the variable or something
[18:43] <xrandr> RNeville: 0 = disable, 1 = enable.
[18:43] <Dreaman> nicomachus  tel you how you to work
[18:43] <RNeville> thx xrandr
[18:43] <Dreaman> to meny lames in the chanel
[18:43] <nacc> Dreaman: you're not listening. Please stop. You are not contributing anything to the discussion.
[18:43] <nicomachus> mynameis: the maximum value should be something real, like 1024x768 or something
[18:44] <nicomachus> or 1280x1094 or whatever that one is.
[18:44] <mynameis> nicomachus yeah, I have seen a lot of errors in syslog related to my gpu yesterday
[18:44] <xrandr> nicomachus: if he has the monitors either extending or duplicating themselves, won't he get a larger display output?
[18:44] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, OK I will take a look. I'm, not guaranteeing that I will be able to figure it out. I'm not that versed in this, tbh, but I have have to troubleshoot mail servers before
[18:44] <CrzySane> Xundres: do you mean compiling a package?
[18:45] <mynameis> nicomachus my card can run 4k I think that might be the max resolution
[18:45] <geigerCounter> Well any help is appreciated at this point
[18:45] <mynameis> it can't run 16k though :O
[18:45] <RNeville> nicomachus, tried to follow direction at : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132   with no success
[18:45] <CrzySane> Xundres: like, compiling an application from source?
[18:45] <RNeville> tried adding "nomodeset" in grub menu
[18:45] <RNeville> with no success
[18:45] <Xundres> yes
[18:45] <Xundres> CrzySane: yes, any
[18:46] <Xundres> for example
[18:46] <nicomachus> xrandr: yes, but not 16384 x 16384
[18:46] <Xundres> GEOCLUE
[18:46] <CrzySane> Xundres: can you do    ./configure | pastebinit
[18:46] <nacc> Xundres: it depends on the error, of course. Compiling from source generically is not something  necessarily supported here
[18:46] <Xundres> yes
[18:46] <nacc> Xundres: also, why are you compiling from source, can you not use the ubuntu packages?
[18:46] <xrandr> mynameis: how many monitors do you have attached?
[18:47] <mynameis> xrandr just one currently running at 1024x768 because the system won't let me change it to anything higher
[18:47] <xrandr> mynameis: I missed the details earlier. What video card, and what ports are on the video card?
[18:47] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, I'm assuming you used these docs: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html
[18:47] <Xundres> CrzySane: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24015125/
[18:48] <nicomachus> mynameis: you wanted 1280x1024, right?
[18:48] <mynameis> xrandr radeon r7 250x, it has dvi, hdmi and display port and the issue is that I can't set any higher resolution
[18:48] <mynameis> nicomachus yes, correct
[18:48] <xrandr> mynameis: got a VGA port? Does your monitor have one of those too? If so, try that first. Might have a bad port or something
[18:48] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: yep
[18:49] <nicomachus> mynameis: try setting it manually with `xrandr --output DVI0 --mode 1280x1024`
[18:49] <CrzySane> Xundres: Perhaps someone else here might know why that doesn't appear to be the entire output of the script.
[18:49] <mynameis> xrandr my monitor only has d-sub and it's connected to my card's dvi with an adapter, the card doesn't have d-sub
[18:49] <mynameis> ok
[18:49] <geigerCounter> And to the best of my ability to understand them, I followed them.
[18:49] <b-yeezi> Yeah, It's pretty well-written
[18:50] <mynameis> nicomachus warning: output DVI0 not found; ignoring
[18:50] <nicomachus> ugh
[18:50] <nicomachus> DVI-0
[18:50] <nicomachus> sorry
[18:50] <xrandr> mynameis: i hate to even ask this.....but did it work on Windows (if you had windows installed) ?
[18:50] <mynameis> nicomachus xrandr: cannot find mode 1280x1024
[18:50] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: By the way, according to aptitde I am using version gnutls version 2.12.23-12ubuntu
[18:51] <b-yeezi> so that's not th problem
[18:51] <CrzySane> Xundres: also, perhaps someone else could recommend a better channel to ask source-building questions than this one, since we target the use of ubuntu and its packages.
[18:51] <mynameis> xrandr yeah I had Widonws previously and it worked with no issues
[18:51] <xrandr> mynameis: has it ever worked in ubuntu?
[18:52] <mynameis> xranrd yes, on onlder versions of Ubuntu with fglrx amd driver that isn't supported anymore
[18:52] <Xundres> ok
[18:53] <mynameis> xrandr it was on 14.04 actually
[18:53] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, have you tried trying to connect while tailf-ing the log and error files?
[18:54] <mynameis> my issue is that AMD dropped support for their driver and started developing a new one which doesn't work with my graphics card
[18:54] <nacc> Xundres: did you use pastebinit or c&p?
[18:54] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: I have.
[18:55] <Dreaman> mynameis  use free driver
[18:55] <CrazySane> mynameis: xrandr: while I don't have any specific input to the solution, I will tell you that I'm running a GF108 [GeForce GT 730] and I had a ton of problems in previous versions of Ubuntu. 15.10 fixed them though.
[18:55] <geigerCounter> They didn't say much useful last I checked.
[18:55] <mynameis> so I can only use the open source driver with max resolution of 1024x768 or somehow try to install fglrx driver on 14.04
[18:55] <nicomachus> CrazySane: Nvidea vs. AMD. big difference.
[18:55] <xrandr> mynameis: can you try and find the driver that worked for 16.04 and install it? I know it isn't the best idea, but if it works....
[18:55] <mynameis> CrazySane I think this problem is specific to AMD and their poor support for linux
[18:56] <CrazySane> nicomachus: my bad, I thought they said it was an nVidia card. Must have read someone else say that.
[18:56] <Dreaman> my nvidia 940 4gb ram vddr5 use 4k
[18:56] <Dreaman> :)
[18:56] <nicomachus> Dreaman: please leave.
[18:56] <xrandr> mynameis: i do think that linux is  more partial to nVidia than AMD
[18:56] <CrazySane> Dreaman: :)  My nVidia card is flying right along now. XD
[18:56] <Dreaman> nicomachus  no lame
[18:56] <kur1j> I'm trying to create an image for Openstack manually and I am using the minimal ubuntu installer and without selecting anything during installation its 1.9GB for me. I'm using QCOW2 and I have no idea how to make the installation smaller.
[18:56] <kur1j> any suggestions
[18:57] <mynameis> xrandr the driver that worked works only on 14.04 and only if you downgrade xorg which I did and I installed it but then my system broke :/
[18:57] <nicomachus> wait wait wait
[18:57] <nacc> kur1j: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server or an openstack channel
[18:57] <nicomachus> you did WHAT? mynameis
[18:57] <CrazySane> mynameis: why are you still on 14.04 now anyway?
[18:57] <nicomachus> what driver was that? and you DOWNGRADED xorg?
[18:57] <mynameis> CrazySane yes I am
[18:57] <nacc> CrazySane: 14.04 is fully supported still
[18:57]  * CrazySane chuckles at nicomachus
[18:57] <kur1j> nacc: ok thanks.
[18:58] <xrandr> ok, everyone relax
[18:58] <CrazySane> nacc: I know, but I'm curious as to why they are staying back there.
[18:58] <mynameis> nicomacus after 16.10 and 16.04 failed me and amdgpu driver did too I installed 14.04.5 but in order to install fglrx on that I had to downgrade xorg to lower version
[18:58] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Mainly, what I discover from reading the logs is that there's a Russian spambot chain trying to use my smtp and exim is quite correctly not letting it. I do wish to fix this, but one step at a time...
[18:58]  * nicomachus facepalms and goes to lunch
[18:58] <CrazySane> mynameis: ah. You've already been down the 16.x trail.
[18:58] <xrandr> mynameis: what version of ubuntu are you currently running now, and what version of xorg are you running?
[18:58] <mynameis> CrazySane yeah
[18:59] <mynameis> xrandr I'm running 14.04.5 and xorg - how do I check that?
[19:00] <mynameis> I'm on a fresh install of 14.04.5 now with default drivers and default xorg
[19:00] <CrazySane> mynameis: dpkg -s org
[19:00] <xrandr> mynameis: in a terminal, type X -version
[19:00] <CrazySane> or that ^
[19:00] <nacc> CrazySane: right, sorry, they've been here for a while, and have said that a few times
[19:01] <mynameis> it's xorg 1.7.7
[19:01] <gp5st> is there a recommended way to install from the iso to the (not currently in-used) harddrive without rebooting and using some form of external media?
[19:01] <CrazySane> nacc: Sorry for not scrolling back. Jumping on the train mid-go.
[19:01] <nacc> CrazySane: not a problem
[19:01] <xrandr> mynameis: ok. What happened with the later versions of ubuntu? No display at all?
[19:02] <xrandr> mynameis: sorry, just playing catch up here
[19:03] <mynameis> xrandr with all versions of Ubuntu the default driver displays only 1024x768, amdgpu-pro driver with 16.04 and 16.10 doesn't change anything and when I tried it with older kernel I couldn't boot
[19:03] <CrazySane> gp5st: I don't quite understand your question, could you try rephrasing it?
[19:03] <xrandr> mynameis: and here's another question. During the install of ANY of those versions, did the display look right?
[19:04] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, I don't see anything in this config that is that crazy. The things I would look at in your split configs is smtp_receive_timeout and use_gnu_tls
[19:04] <xrandr> Again, talking about while in the ubuntu installer
[19:04] <b-yeezi> sorry use_gnutls
[19:04] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Okay, where would those be in the split config?
[19:04] <mynameis> xrandr it looked right, but I can't tell if the resolution was higher than 1024x768
[19:04] <gp5st> CrazySane: I have a new disk that I would like to install ubuntu on in a prep to move this computer to it. Is there a recommended way to install ubuntu to that disk without having to use a cd or usb key to run the installer on a reboot
[19:05] <Dreaman> http://prikachi.com/images.php?images/416/9044416O.png   mynameis  nicomachus see lame
[19:05] <Dreaman> :)
[19:05] <CrazySane> gp5st: Can you shut down the computer, install the new disk, install Ubuntu, remove the disk and reinstall the old one?
[19:05] <xrandr> mynameis: if it looked right it probably was right. I had that problem several years ago when I installed ubuntu 10 and had a Raedon card
[19:05] <xrandr> Radeon*
[19:05] <Npco> Anyone here run Ubuntu from a sd card? to what affect?
[19:06] <xrandr> mynameis: that means that there is some kind of driver that does work properly with your card
[19:06] <gp5st> CrazySane: that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid doing, because I'd need a CD or usb key (and a reboot)
[19:06] <nicomachus> Npco: I have used SD cards to install Ubuntu on raspberry pi's
[19:06] <gp5st> there's `debootstrap` but I was wondering if there was anything newer/more automated
[19:06] <nicomachus> Npco: works fine.
[19:07] <mynameis> xrandr I hope there is, but all of them don't seem to work
[19:07] <CrazySane> gp5st: I'm not aware of a way to acomplish what you're looking to do, maybe someone else will be able to help you.
[19:07] <mynameis> xrandr are you using an amd card at the moment?
[19:07] <gp5st> CrazySane: like I said, there's debootstrap, but I was hoping to find something a little less manual
[19:07] <xrandr> mynameis: here's a thought. If you still have the install cd or dvd... boot into it. Instead of choosing Install Ubuntu, choose Try Ubuntu. Then go to a terminal and do a lsmod  and paste it into pastebin or someplace you can look at it later. Reboot out of the live cd and back to your desktop, and run the same command
[19:07] <Npco> Nicomachus, I am running a Hp stream with a 32g built in flash drive, was thinking of running another os from a sd card, does it last a while?
[19:08] <xrandr> mynameis: nope, I use nVidia   *puffs out chest proudly*
[19:08] <nicomachus> Npco: I can't speak to long-term use, sorry
[19:08] <mynameis> xrandr what will that help me achieve?
[19:08] <xrandr> mynameis: oh, and in the live cd, when you use Try Ubuntu,  go to the display settings
[19:08] <nicomachus> mynameis: I'm running 16.04 with a Radeon HD 6450 and the radeon driver.
[19:08] <xrandr> see what resolution it reports
[19:08] <nicomachus> on one machine.
[19:08] <Npco> google, *puffs out chest proudly*
[19:09] <mynameis> xrandr I tried changing the resolution in live cd it was the same one as it is now
[19:09] <xrandr> mynameis: ok, that rules out a thing or two
[19:09] <mynameis> nicomachus the last command for xrandr for switching the resolution failed saying that the mode wasn't correct do you know what should be the correct mode?
[19:10] <mynameis> xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024
[19:10] <mynameis> xrandr: cannot find mode 1280x1024
[19:10] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, I have to look it up
[19:10] <xrandr> mynameis: what monitor do you have, and what is it's highest display setting? just curious
[19:11] <mynameis> xrandr it's highest resolution is 1280x1024
[19:11] <b-yeezi> I thing tlsoptions for use_gnutls
[19:11] <xrandr> nicomachus: is there a generic xorg driver he could use instead of the radeon one? just to troubleshoot?
[19:11] <Dreaman> mynameis  my card hdmi but lg monitor is dvi and full hd work 4k use
[19:11] <mynameis> Dreaman ok
[19:12] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Alright. I'm grepping the config files
[19:13] <b-yeezi> Also, I wish telnet had a verbose mode so you can see more info about the connection
[19:13] <geigerCounter> Yeah, me too.
[19:14] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: There's no "gnu" found in any of the conf.d files.
[19:16] <b-yeezi> The reason I wonder about the timeout is if the spambot is hammering on your smtp server, it may be taking longer to negotiate a handshake
[19:16] <mynameis> OMG guys
[19:16] <mynameis> I did this http://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution#377944
[19:16] <mynameis> and it set my resolution to what I wanted to
[19:17] <geigerCounter> That's a good point.
[19:17] <mynameis> will this setting stay after reboot?
[19:18] <genii> mynameis: No. You need to put the commands into /etc/rc.local
[19:19] <mynameis> thanks everyone for help
[19:19] <Dreaman> just use free driver
[19:19] <Dreaman> use
[19:20] <mynameis> I would at least spent another day reinstalling different drivers if it wasn't for you guys
[19:20] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: rfc1413_query_timeout ?
[19:20] <Dreaman> mynameis  my card is old 4630 i use ubuntu 17.04 alpha 2
[19:20] <Dreaman> my resolution work
[19:22] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, maybe. Before that, checkout http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-encrypted_smtp_connections_using_tlsssl.html
[19:23] <b-yeezi> find timeout in the page. Maybe this is the problem
[19:26] <Wulf> hi
[19:27] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: The only thing about timeouts on that page has to do with the tls_dhparam, which afaik I didn't set.
[19:28] <b-yeezi> Well, consider me stumped. Sorry
[19:29] <geigerCounter> Yeah.
[19:29] <Wulf> I've got an Ubuntu 14.04 server with package dnsutils installed in version 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9ubuntu0.5; should the current (security) version not be 0.13?
[19:29] <geigerCounter> What is the dhparam anyway?
[19:30] <Rubiksmomo> Could someone please explain why IRC whois shows my actual hostname/IP when I'm connected to VPN?
[19:30] <Wulf> Rubiksmomo: check your routes
[19:30] <nacc> !info dnsutils trusty
[19:30] <nacc> Wulf: yes, it should be (via -updates and -security)
[19:30] <mynameis> Rubiksmomo did you set your VPN settings in your system?
[19:31] <xrandr> sorry mynameis for disappearing. I am at work and was on a long support call
[19:31] <linewb> hello, would anyone be interested in helping me with a networking issue?  2 NICs, static routes or policy based issues
[19:31] <Wulf> nacc: so where could the installed version come from?
[19:31] <Rubiksmomo> mynameis, Yeah, it shows a lock at the WiFi icon on top right corner
[19:31] <ikonia> linewb: just state the problem and people will help if they can / want to
[19:31] <mynameis> xrandr no problem I managed to fix the issue with these commands http://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution#377944
[19:31] <xrandr> mynameis: great!
[19:31] <linewb> ty ikonia
[19:31] <CrazySane> !ask | linewb
[19:31] <mynameis> xrandr thanks for your help :)
[19:32] <Rubiksmomo> Wulf, How do I "check my routes"?
[19:32] <xrandr> !patience xrandr
[19:32] <nacc> Wulf: i mean that version probably also exist(ed) -- so maybe just not updated correctly (`apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade`)?
[19:32] <mynameis> and nico's help too :)
[19:32] <Wulf> Rubiksmomo: ip route
[19:32] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, diffy-helman prime number selection
[19:32] <xrandr> mynameis: you're welcome, but thank nicomachus. He did a lot more than I did
[19:32] <CrazySane> xrandr: to use that command, you need to pipe the target. eg !patience | xrandr
[19:32] <mynameis> yeah thanks nicomachus :)
[19:32] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Do I need to set that stuff?
[19:32] <Wulf> nacc: tried it. btw, my version is "dfsg-9", the other is "dfsg-3"
[19:32] <xrandr> !patience |xrandr
[19:32] <b-yeezi> s/diffy/diffie/
[19:33] <nacc> Wulf: you're not on trusty, that's vivid
[19:33] <nacc> Wulf: or you installed a vivid package on trusty
[19:33] <nacc> Wulf: either way, bad choices (not upgrading or mixing releases)
[19:34] <Wulf> nacc: It's trusty and has always been trusty.
[19:34] <Rubiksmomo> How do can I route all my traffic through VPN? IRC doesn't seem to use my VPN. https://ghostbin.com/paste/upajc
[19:35] <nacc> Wulf: that dnsutils is vivid's publish
[19:35] <CrazySane> Rubiksmomo: that depends on your client. Might want to look for a channel dedicated to your client.
[19:35] <nacc> Wulf: `apt-cache policy dnsutils` in a pastebin
[19:35] <mynameis> Rubiksmono it might not be what you want but I think you can set in the router to use VPN
[19:35] <CrazySane> Rubiksmomo: wait. maybe not, if you're trying to route ALL your traffic through the vpn.
[19:36] <Wulf> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24015418/
[19:36] <nacc> Wulf: you installed a .deb by hand.
[19:36] <nacc> Wulf: as I said, mixing releases.
[19:37] <Wulf> nacc: I can't remember having done that
[19:37] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, I'm no expert on this, but I know that if it's not done correctly, it can mess things up. According to the docs, it is hardcoded with a default if you don't change it.
[19:37] <nacc> Wulf: not really the point :)
[19:37] <linewb> have 2 subnets, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, routing table shows default gateway as <IP_ADDRESS>(correct one fwiw), each nic with correct table entries and looks correct AFAIK.  I can ping either gateway at <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>.  traceroute doesn't follow correct route.  I've tried following https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Two_Default_Gateways_on_One_System to the letter but still can't ping hosts on other net
[19:37] <linewb> s(e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>/24)....  help :)
[19:37] <Rubiksmomo> mynameis, I don't think my Cisco EPC3825 supports trust.zone VPN
[19:38] <b-yeezi> geigerCounter, I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase. You may want to ping the ubuntu-server channel. They are better at this type of thing
[19:38] <ikonia> linewb: you shouldn't have two default gateways
[19:38] <mynameis> Rubiksmomo maybe you should check the settings to be sure
[19:38] <geigerCounter> b-yeezi: Hmm. Well I don't think it's the dhparams anyway. When I use telnet to access smtp locally, it doesn't time out.
[19:38] <geigerCounter> Ah, yeah.
[19:38] <geigerCounter> Thanks
[19:38] <Wulf> nacc: hmm.. wth
[19:39] <linewb> ikonia, there's only 1 default reported by route -n
[19:39] <Rubiksmomo> mynameis, I've tried, couldn't figure it out. There are some VPN related settings, but they didn't make much sense.
[19:39] <Wulf> nacc: perhaps someone messed up
[19:39] <ikonia> linewb: then why do you keep saying "ping either gateway" that suggests there is more than one
[19:39] <mynameis> Rubiksmomo maybe your router's manual could help?
[19:39] <nacc> Wulf: can't say, it's clear from that output that a .deb was installed manually outside of the system packages. I would verify them all, if you really don't know.
[19:40] <linewb> gateway meaning upstream switch port
[19:40] <linewb> each nic connected to different switches, would that mean multiple gateways for separate packets>
[19:40] <linewb> ?
[19:41] <ikonia> linewb: no it wouldn't
[19:41] <ikonia> that just means two network interfaces
[19:42] <CrazySane> linewb: The "gateway" will receive any packets the computer doesn't have a route for in it's tables. Otherwise, the computer will route the traffic to the NIC that is assigned to the route that matches the traffic.
[19:42] <Wulf> nacc: is there a command that checks all installed packages if they are from the correct distro?
[19:42] <CrazySane> its*
[19:43] <nacc> Wulf: i'm not sure, maybe something like debsums
[19:45] <CrazySane> Wulf: nacc: you might check Ubuntu's Installed Software in the package manager gui. I think it says something about where they are from in there (whether from repo or which etc.) Lemme check.
[19:46] <Wulf> what gui? :)
[19:46] <nacc> CrazySane: right, we've already verified this pkg is not from apt (.deb installation). THe question is how to find any others
[19:46] <CrazySane> Ah. cli only? XD
[19:47] <CrazySane> nacc: I saw that - I was trying to generate a listing of packages that are installed external to the repos.
[19:48] <nacc> it's possible you can ask for apt or apt-cache to search by source, i can't recall
[19:48] <linewb> with or without static routes or policy routing, any suggestions as to why I cannot reach a host in another subnet with just 1 default gateway?  e.g. sitting on the multi nic box(nic1: <IP_ADDRESS>, nic2: <IP_ADDRESS>) not able to get(ssh) to a host in 10.2.3.xx.
[19:48] <OerHeks> synaptic can filter that easy
[19:48] <nacc> OerHeks: good point
[19:48] <ikonia> linewb: what is the ip of the host you are trying to reach
[19:49] <smallfoot-> Anyone have DNS problems with zesty?
[19:49] <Wulf> OerHeks: can you tell me how?
[19:49] <ikonia> smallfoot-: why don't you just specifcy YOUR problem
[19:49] <linewb> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:49] <Wulf> oh wait, synaptic is GUI
[19:49] <nacc> smallfoot-: also, zesty is #ubuntu+1 please
[19:50] <ikonia> linewb: so that shouldn't need a gateway
[19:50] <smallfoot-> ikonia, DNS worked great til today. Then I updated some packages, and now DNS resolves google.com but not youtube.com and other domains
[19:50] <ikonia> linewb: that should just go out of the card that is <IP_ADDRESS> - assuming the mask is set correctly
[19:50] <OerHeks> Wulf, see the left panel > origin , and then click in the main window 's' to see all green installed packages
[19:50] <OerHeks> or write a custom filter
[19:50] <linewb> mask is /23
[19:50] <ikonia> linewb: so is that address in the same subnet as the ethernet card 10.2.x.x
[19:51] <CrazySane> !ask | smallfoot-
[19:51] <linewb> no
[19:51] <ikonia> linewb: then how do you expect it to get there ?
[19:51] <linewb> gateway?
[19:51] <ikonia> linewb: what gateway
[19:51] <linewb> <IP_ADDRESS> (default gw)
[19:52] <ikonia> linewb: is the default gateway setup to route to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:52] <ikonia> sorry 10.2.3.x
[19:52] <CrazySane> linewb: can any other hosts on the first network route to the second?
[19:52] <linewb> my guess is upstream routing would understand packets destined for 10.2.3.x would hand off to correct switchport
[19:53] <linewb> CrazySane, yes...that's maybe what is most troubling about this problem
[19:53] <ikonia> linewb: you can't just assume gateways know how to route
[19:53] <linewb> but the other hosts are not multi-nic
[19:53] <ikonia> linewb: you have 2 nics - both on serperate networks, you want to route to a THIRD network
[19:54] <ikonia> linewb: you're just hoping the default gateway for network one knows how to route the third network
[19:54] <CrazySane> ikonia: Do we have a traceroute on this yet?
[19:54] <linewb> ikonia, since other hosts on the same nets can get packets to the proper destination, should I assume this host would too?
[19:54] <ikonia> linewb: you need to know that the default route has a route to that network
[19:54] <ikonia> linewb: are they using the same default gateway as this ?
[19:54] <linewb> yes
[19:55] <ikonia> linewb: so if you send a packet to the third network, does it get sent to the default gateway
[19:55] <linewb> lemme tracert
[19:55] <ikonia> tracert is not a linux command
[19:55] <linewb> (lazy fingers)
[19:55]  * CrazySane chuckles
[19:56] <linewb> traceroute goes out public network and times out after
[19:57] <ikonia> "public network" ???
[19:57] <CrazySane> linewb: Is the "public network" the same gateway?
[19:57] <ikonia> neither of the addresses you gave are public networks
[19:57] <linewb> well...
[19:57] <linewb> I need to not put IPs in here...
[19:57] <ikonia> linewb: can you please be specific
[19:57] <ikonia> then you're giving us false information
[19:59] <linewb> so the traceroute goes out 1 IP( which is routed on a public network...) and hits some upstream switches but doesn't come back.  It should go out the other nic/IP but it isn't.
[19:59] <ikonia> linewb: thats not an ubuntu problem
[19:59] <ikonia> thats your network problem
[20:00] <linewb> but other hosts on the same network route without issue
[20:00] <ikonia> the only issue you may have is that you have allocated the default gateway to the wrong interface
[20:00] <linewb> I should say packets get routed correctly
[20:00] <ikonia> but as you are providing false IP information it's hard to tell
[20:00] <linewb> ikonia, i agree...i'd rather not post real IPs in here...
[20:01] <ikonia> thats your choice, but we won't be able to help you with your routing,
[20:01] <linewb> understandable
[20:01] <stickyrice1> you have 2 nics?
[20:01] <ikonia> but that is the only ubuntu issue you can have, that your default gateway is on the wrong address, that is the only way it would go out of the wrong interface
[20:01] <CrazySane> linewb: we already know you're at ohio state. The IPs you're using aren't secret.
[20:01] <linewb> CrazySane, true
[20:02] <linewb> stickyrice1, yes if that question was for me
[20:02] <stickyrice1> sorry late to the conversation, can you recap it
[20:03] <Wulf> nacc, OerHeks: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | while read pkg; do apt-get download --print-uris $pkg; done > /dev/null
[20:03] <linewb> sure, one moment
[20:03] <Wulf> takes a while to run, but appears to work
[20:03] <linewb> CrazySane, ikonia I figured that the idea was still the same(2 IPs, 2 nics), odd routing could be looked at generically enough
[20:04] <linewb> I'll try to clear it up a bit
[20:04] <nacc> Wulf: makes sense
[20:04] <ikonia> linewb: it can be generic, but the info you are giving us is quite false
[20:04] <nacc> Wulf: did you have others?
[20:04] <atyz> Can anyone give me some advice on a good webcam that would be compatible?
[20:04] <Wulf> nacc: I figure about 30 packages
[20:04] <ikonia> eg: you posted 2 private subnets within the same broad subnet, thats very different to one private and one public that are not related at all
[20:05] <Wulf> just how did that happen...
[20:09] <linewb> consider that one network is 10.2.45.x and the other is publicly routed at 128.146.45.x.  <IP_ADDRESS> is the public NICs IP, netmask is /24.  <IP_ADDRESS> is the private NIC, /23 is the netmask.  When default gw is set to <IP_ADDRESS> I can get into the box like normal.  From the box itself, I can then ping other nets(e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, etc).  But I cannot get past <IP_ADDRESS> to a host <IP_ADDRESS>.
[20:09] <linewb>
[20:10] <yakiza> Hello everyone i have  just installed ubuntu  in my new pc  and i have a problem with my graphics card i have try  installed the same proprietary drivers as in my old pc the 340.101 and when i install those when i restart my pc  , my pc doesnt work it aske me to add the decrypt code but when i type nothing is showing  in the screeen my mouse is not
[20:10] <yakiza>  htere its like the whole system is stuck any help?
[20:10] <ikonia> linewb: pastebin your routing table please, lets look at what you actually have
[20:10] <Wulf> nacc: thanks for figuring out that my packages are from wrong release
[20:10] <CrazySane> linewb: Also, paste the traceroute to pastebin please.
[20:11] <linewb> let me back out some changes and get back to you
[20:12] <CrazySane> I'm about to leave the office (today is my wife's birthday!) but you're in good hands with ikonia. (good luck!)
[20:12] <linewb> Thanks CrazySane
[20:13] <stickyrice1> what device is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:13] <linewb> switch
[20:13] <stickyrice1> l2 or l3?
[20:14] <linewb> 3
[20:14] <stickyrice1> that device pings .12 fine?
[20:14] <linewb> yes
[20:15] <nacc> Wulf: np, gl fixing it up!
[20:16] <stickyrice1> im sure someone (ikonia) has asked but do you have static routes in place for these 10. networks?
[20:17] <Wulf> nacc: is fixed.
[20:18] <linewb> stickyrice1, I've tried to set static routes at the host level.
[20:19] <Guest99551> with 2 nics like ikonia has said you will need static routes
[20:24] <linewb> http://pastebin.com/JpQ285F3
[20:26] <linewb> forgot this part on the pastbin...little spam incoming
[20:26] <linewb> [root@vm3sc ~]# traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:26] <linewb> traceroute to <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[20:26] <linewb>  1  hop1.test.ohio-state.edu (<IP_ADDRESS>)  0.404 ms  0.384 ms  0.368 ms
[20:26] <linewb>  2  se4-vl870.net.ohio-state.edu (<IP_ADDRESS>)  1.669 ms  1.345 ms  1.767 ms
[20:26] <linewb>  3  socc4-forg2-4.net.ohio-state.edu (<IP_ADDRESS>)  1.627 ms  1.684 ms  1.618 ms
[20:27] <elky> pastebins like paste.ubuntu.com are a better idea linewb :)
[20:27] <ppf> so what is it you want  to achieve?
[20:27] <ppf> traceroute looks good
[20:28] <linewb> ppf, being able to ssh to hosts inside of private nets without being routed externall
[20:28] <stickyrice1> the trace to the oustide is always fine right?
[20:28] <linewb> yes
[20:29] <stickyrice1> what is the <IP_ADDRESS>/23 network directly connected to?
[20:30] <linewb> if I'm understanding you, switchfabric
[20:30] <linewb> gear
[20:30] <linewb> there are some other leaf switches with nets on them
[20:31] <ikonia> linewb: you're not actually making sense here
[20:31] <ikonia> linewb: please pastebin your routing table
[20:32] <stickyrice1> http://pastebin.com/JpQ285F3
[20:33] <ikonia> so whats the problem
[20:33] <ikonia> he can only ssh to things on <IP_ADDRESS> without using the default gateway
[20:33] <ikonia> that looks totally correct
[20:33] <stickyrice1> thats what im seeing....seems fine
[20:33] <linewb> ikonia, I agree... it looks correct.  that's what I'm saying...
[20:33] <linewb> well, one thing I am...
[20:33] <ikonia> linewb: not looks correct "is correct"
[20:34] <ikonia> linewb: what is not working for you
[20:34] <ikonia> because if you want to ssh to anything not on the <IP_ADDRESS> network it will have to go via the default gateway
[20:34] <ikonia> which is what your pastes are showing me is happening, so thats "correct"
[20:34] <linewb> with the netmask on the private network set to /23, I cannot get to other 10.2.x.x things
[20:34] <gmh_> I removed a drive from madam raid1 and now I can't boot :/ 14.04 lts
[20:35] <ikonia> linewb: the address you gave me earlier was outside of the /23
[20:35] <ikonia> linewb: this is why giving fake IP details is not helpful
[20:35] <stickyrice1> route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> gw <10 network gateway>  dev enp5s0
[20:36] <tony4342> hey guys - is it possible to access bbc over https? if I go to https://bbc.co.uk I get redirected to www.bbc.com; is this normal?
[20:36] <nicomachus> tony4342: not really on topic here. ask ##networking I guess
[20:36] <tony4342> yeah it's true, I will ask there ... but can somebody confirm that it's the case
[20:36] <ikonia> tony4342: that is correct
[20:37] <ikonia> its a rewrite rule
[20:37] <stickyrice1> tony yes...it rewrites back to http
[20:37] <ikonia> and it doesn't re-write back to http
[20:37] <ikonia> I can connect on ssl just fine
[20:37] <stickyrice1> im too slow on my reply sorry
[20:38] <ikonia> it stays on ssl ,just rewrites bbc.co.uk to www.bbc.co.uk to force the certicate to be valid
[20:39] <tony4342> but how can I browse it over https? I always get redirected to bbc.com (http) - is my client side certificate chain broken?
[20:39] <ikonia> browse https://www.bbc.co.uk
[20:40] <tony4342> ikonia: I get redirected to bbc.com (http) there; am i compromised?
[20:41] <wedgie> i also get redirected to http
[20:41] <ikonia> tony4342: are you in the uk /
[20:41] <tony4342> nope
[20:41] <ikonia> tony4342: then that is correct most likley as the non-uk IP's get redirected off to a different service
[20:41] <ikonia> the bbc website is for UK IP's only for full features due to it's license law
[20:42] <Pici> tony4342: same thing happens here.
[20:42] <ikonia> I get full https support just fine on a UK address
[20:45] <tony4342> ikonia: you mean you are with a UK ISP?
[20:45] <ikonia> tony4342: correct
[20:45] <tony4342> ok, sry for being off-topic, I just thought it's weird, and I did not know, that this depends on ISP - I have to read up on TLS and HTTPS
[20:46] <wedgie> tony4342: has nothing do do with tls or https, really. The operators of bbc have decided to send you different places depending on where  you are coming from
[20:46] <ikonia> tony4342: its not a tls / https thing
[20:46] <ikonia> tony4342: it's a bbc website thing
[20:47] <tony4342> and how do they do that? do they know from the IP which ISP it is and map it to coutnries?
[20:48] <wedgie> tony4342: pretty much.
[20:48] <tony4342> anyway, I think news network should *not* do that
[20:48] <ikonia> tony4342: they are not interested in what you think
[20:48] <ikonia> tony4342: they are interested in their license agreement
[20:49] <stickyrice1> where linewb go?
[20:50] <tony4342> I think the implication is that, they are not interested in non-UK readers
[20:50] <linewb> still here :)
[20:50] <ppf> linewb: did you read what ikonia wrote?
[20:50] <stickyrice1> linewb: make any progress?
[20:51] <ikonia> there is no progress to be made
[20:51] <ikonia> it's pretty black and white
[20:51] <ikonia> unless you are on the same same subnet - it will have to use the default gateway
[20:51] <stickyrice1> ah come on, challenges are fun
[20:51] <ikonia> it's not a challange
[20:52] <ikonia> it's basic networking
[20:52] <stickyrice1> he can use static routes to send out another interface
[20:52] <ikonia> not really
[20:52] <ikonia> that will only allow him to route to the address range that interface is on
[20:52] <ikonia> or it will go out of the default gateway
[20:53] <ikonia> and as the address he is using is in neither subnet (but it's hard to be sure as he's giving false info) it won't help
[20:53] <linewb> ppf, yes :?  I can't post info as desired...
[20:53] <linewb> stickyrice1, I believe
[20:53] <fdas231> If I touched a poison, then just wipe it with a tissue, is it safe? To handle everyday item or how should I clean it like my keyboard.
[20:53] <stickyrice1> if the directly connected device on the 10 network is l3 capaable and has a route table he sure can
[20:53] <ikonia> fdas231: nothing to do with this channel
[20:53] <linewb> stickyrice1, rebooting to test
[20:53] <ikonia> stickyrice1: it's outside the mask
[20:53] <ikonia> stickyrice1: based on the fake info he posted earlier
[20:54] <ikonia> so it's not going to bridge the subnet without a router, hence default gateway
[20:54] <natefoo> so i can't find a way to boot the 16.04 livecd such that it doesn't automatically use swap on any disks it finds, and swapoff basically locks up the system because there's no other swap configured, and i can't create a swapfile on aufs
[20:55] <natefoo> all of this makes attempting to use gparted on the livecd useless if you are trying to move a swap partition on a disk
[20:56] <stickyrice1> what fake ip was given?
[20:59] <kjgla> Whenever I connect to our wifi using my PC, other computer cannot connect to the wifi. But when I disconnect my PC, it's fine with other computer. What kind of problem is this?
[21:02] <ppf> kjgla: radio signal noise?
[21:02] <kjgla> ppf: I don't understand
[21:04] <stickyrice1> kjgla:  if the other computer is connected, can your computer then connect and both be on at the same time?
[21:04] <linewb> ikonia, stickyrice1, ppf, thank you for your help
[21:04] <Fendaris> Hello, I am trying to figure out, why ubuntu keeps making my wifi connection unusable after a few minutes. I accepted some automatic ubuntu update, and now this happens.
[21:04] <pavlos> kjgla, your wifi offers 5 ip's, the pc uses the 5th so no other device can connect. When pc is disconnected, 5 becomes available
[21:04] <stickyrice1> linewb:  whats the status?
[21:04] <linewb> I'm all set
[21:04] <stickyrice1> working now?
[21:04] <linewb> yes
[21:05] <stickyrice1> good deal
[21:05] <stickyrice1> that static route help?
[21:05] <linewb> yes, was using wrong interface
[21:05] <stickyrice1> no worries
[21:05] <linewb> I'm still not sure why opening up netmask would take routing out of the picture but oh well...
[21:05] <linewb> s/would/wouldn't
[21:06] <stickyrice1> i wasnt here for that part but sounds like from what ikonia wa saying you had overlapping networks maybe
[21:06] <Fendaris> test
[21:06] <stickyrice1> return test
[21:06] <Fendaris> Just happened again. After a few minutes the wifi connection doesnt seem to transmit any data anymore.
[21:06] <Fendaris> if i manually reconnect to the wifi network, it works again
[21:06] <ceprius> test denied
[21:07] <Fendaris> that doesnt happen under windows, and didnt happen before the ubuntu update
[21:07] <stickyrice1> nack test
[21:08] <Fendaris> it s a bit hard to google, because the description is so generic....
[21:08] <stickyrice1> Fendaris:  driver issue?
[21:09] <Fendaris> if i click on connection information it says  Speed: 1 Mb/s .. that seems very strange
[21:09] <Fendaris> is there some way I could check my driver Stickyrice1? I am just getting started with linux
[21:09] <Trico> y
[21:10] <stickyrice1> Fendaris:  I'd have to refer you to someone else here...hopefully they can help....not my strong suit there
[21:11] <Fendaris> i am just gonna try sudo apt-get update like the noob i am here =D
[21:12] <Trico_> in #what-refuge
[21:13] <stickyrice1> Fendaris: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[21:15] <mike602> or if using 16.04 or higher instead "apt-get" it's better to use just "apt" :)
[21:15] <mike602> so "sudo apt udpate; sudo apt upgrade" :)
[21:15] <ppf> and full-upgrade, possible
[21:15] <ppf> note there's no real advantage currently in apt vs apt-get
[21:16] <mike602> thought "apt" was faster than "apt-get" ?
[21:16] <wedgie> faster to type, maybe'
[21:16] <ppf> i haven't noticed the difference
[21:16] <mike602> lol yeah is faster to type
[21:16] <mike602> so guess that's the advantage lol
[21:16] <k1l> apt has a fancy progress bar :)
[21:17] <mike602> that too ^
[21:17] <ppf> and colors!
[21:17] <mike602> loving my Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 though :)
[21:17] <Menzador> apt references a combination of commands in the APT suite of tools.
[21:17] <k1l> but since apt tries  to group the different apt- commands and has a better wording "apt-get dist-upgrade" vs "apt full-upgrade" i do suggest it in here
[21:18] <k1l> because many users still think dist-upgrade does an upgrade to the next ubuntu release. but instead they are missing important updates to be installed like kernel updates.
[21:18] <ppf> admittedly, the name _is_ weird
[21:18] <wedgie> k1l: can't blame them. The choice of wording in that command is really confusing.
[21:19] <k1l> well, back in the old days that was the way to upgrade to a new release :/
[21:19] <ppf> sadly, apt-file is still not part of apt!
[21:19] <mike602> k1l: doesn't the regular updating method include kernel updates? beleive i've seen them included in the past. I only remain on LTS versions
[21:20] <Fendaris> ubuntu never seems very intuitive to me
[21:20] <ppf> {dist,full}-upgrade upgrades kernels
[21:20] <mike602> well dang. learn something new every day lol
[21:20] <Fendaris> why is it made in such a complicated way? I have to google each time I need to change my mouse speed.
[21:21] <ppf> and on other OSes you know that how?
[21:21] <wedgie> its in settings under "mouse & touchpat"    seems pretty intuitive to me...
[21:22] <k1l> mike602: apt-get without dist-upgrade is not allowed to change other packages than the ones. this doesnt work on kernel meta pacakges which pull the new kernel packages. that is what "you have held packages" is about.
[21:23] <mike602> k1l:  so dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade to next release or no?
[21:24] <mike602> I don't mind the kernel updates, but I want to stay on LTS lol
[21:24] <k1l> mike602: ubuntu doesnt use apt(-get) to upgrade to the next release
[21:24] <\9> mike602: dist-upgrade just allows apt to install packages to get the updates done
[21:24] <\9> mike602: typically this implies installation of new kernels
[21:24] <Pici> mike602: unless you're mucking with the internals of /etc/apt/sources.list, an apt(-get) (dist|full)-upgrade will not bring you to a new release.
[21:25] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[21:25] <k1l> mike602: its worded "apt full-upgrade" on the new apt because of that confusion :)
[21:25] <nicomachus> !full-upgrade
[21:25] <nicomachus> :(
[21:25] <nicomachus> apt > apt-get
[21:25] <insty> when I click a python script it opens  in text editor instead of running it
[21:25] <wedgie> nicomachus: depends, i'd say
[21:26] <mike602> gotcha, thx
[21:26] <mike602> will try now lol
[21:26] <mike602> is this recommended to run though? the dist-upgrade on LTS release?
[21:26] <nicomachus> insty: yea. because when you have a GUI file manager open, you usually don't have root.
[21:26] <mike602> still little confused lol let me google
[21:26] <wedgie> mike602: yes. You WANT kernel updates
[21:26] <Fendaris> wifi died again
[21:26] <Fendaris> it still shows a connection then, but doessnt do anything.
[21:26] <OerHeks> mike602, try it, you see why, and you can cancel anyway
[21:26] <mike602> I get kernel updates w/ the sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade though?
[21:26] <insty> nicomachus, can I change that? this script is for xenopenmanager, its supposed to launche the application
[21:27] <mike602> you talking about kernel upgrades?
[21:27] <nicomachus> insty: open a terminal, cd to the directory, and then do ./filename
[21:27] <insty> nicomachus, is there a way to make it more simple in the future
[21:27] <nicomachus> mike602: you won't get kernel updates unless you do apt full-upgrade
[21:27] <k1l> mike602: use "apt" instead of "apt-get". then there is "sudo apt udpate" to get a new list of packages from the servers. then "sudo apt full-upgrade" to install those new pacakges
[21:28] <stickyrice1> work day is over....have a good weekend everyone
[21:28] <ppf> actually that's something they might have fixed in apt
[21:29] <ppf> why not get new sources on the fly
[21:29] <Fendaris> grep NetworkManager /var/log/syslog* <-- doesnt show any comments on the connection dropping out
[21:29] <nicomachus> insty: you can make it executable. right click -> properties -> permissions and then check the "Allow executing file as a program" box
[21:29] <insty> nicomachus, it already had that checked
[21:30] <insty> thanks anyway
[21:30] <ppf> insty: in what program are you clicking it
[21:30] <nicomachus> insty: you can make it run on startup I guess.
[21:30] <k1l> ppf: incoming linux newspaper headline: apt spying on users, connecting to servers wihtout beeing asked. :)
[21:30] <insty> ppf, just the normal folders view
[21:31] <nicomachus> nautilus ^
[21:31] <ppf> k1l: well, might make that configurable, for the whiners :D
[21:31] <insty> anyway I-ve tried to run it from console and it didnt launch the program I expected
[21:31]  * nicomachus gets out his "Bring back the web scopes by default" protest banner
[21:31] <ppf> yum and yast do that since forever, noone's complained there
[21:31] <mike602> per what i'm reading online, seems apt full-upgrade and/or apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade your system to the next release
[21:32] <ppf> insty: what did it do then?
[21:32] <ppf> mike602: then online is wrong
[21:32] <nicomachus> mike602: no
[21:32] <nicomachus> do-release-upgrade does that
[21:32] <insty> just sow me a bunch of text
[21:32] <k1l> mike602: that is wrong then.
[21:32] <insty> sasy s I porterror
[21:32] <insty> ImportError
[21:32] <ppf> so your python program has unfulfilled dependencies
[21:33] <mike602> ppf: how is it wrong? lol i'm reading from the site "debian-handbook"
[21:33] <insty> pastebin
[21:33] <insty> !astebin
[21:33] <insty> !pastebin
[21:33] <nicomachus> mike602: well, this is Ubuntu not Debian.
[21:33] <nicomachus> for starters.
[21:33] <wedgie> doesn't do that in debian either.
[21:33] <k1l> mike602: either its written by someone who doesnt know what he is doing, or its very very outdated, or its combined with some other manual work on the sources.list, which you should not do on ubuntu anyway.
[21:33] <ppf> insty: as per the nautilus problem: you need to enable this in the preferences
[21:33] <insty> ppf, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24016061/
[21:34] <mike602> lol okay..
[21:34] <dax> (in Debian you have to also edit sources.list, but then it works fine. but yeah, don't do that on Ubuntu, use do-release-upgrade)
[21:34] <mike602> i'm not sure lol
[21:34] <TheSDCard> hi :)
[21:34] <k1l> mike602: the terminal command to upgrade to the new ubuntu release is "do-release-upgrade". as already told ubuntu doesnt use apt(-get) for that
[21:35] <ppf> insty: yes, the script or it's setup is broken
[21:35] <mike602> k1l:  oh yeah? hm gotcha
[21:35] <ppf> its setup even
[21:35] <mike602> so confusing lol
[21:35] <insty> ppf, I just got it from GitHub
[21:36] <mike602> so everytime you want to uprade your system then you should really run "sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade; sudo apt full-upgrade" right?
[21:36] <ppf> then confer their setup instructions or complain
[21:36] <nicomachus> mike602: you can just do sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:36] <ppf> insty: anyways. in nautilus settings, on the Behaviour tab, select the executable file behavior you'd like
[21:36] <k1l> mike602: scratch taht sudo apt upgrade in the middle. that is doubled work
[21:36] <mike602> okay
 sudo apt-get install python-configobj
[21:37] <marketa> hello! I have a laptop with i3 CPU, how is it possible that lspci doesnt show the integrated intel GPU ??
[21:37] <insty> ppf, where is this behavior tab
[21:37] <marketa> only the dedicated radeon one
[21:37] <insty> I did ~ $ sudo chmod u+x your_file.py
[21:37] <ppf> insty: in the nautilus settings
[21:38] <insty> and then it worked, from console
[21:38] <mike602> just ran the sudo apt full-upgrade and it didn't update/upgrade anything. I'm telling you I get kernel updates via the apt udpate; apt upgrade lol
[21:38] <Fendaris> wifi still keeps dieing, hm.
[21:41] <Fendaris> driver=ath10k_pci driverversion=4.4.0-62-generic firmware=WLAN.RM.2.0-00180-QCARMSWPZ-1
[21:41] <insty> ppf, okay, I found the behavior tab, choose ask every time, but double click in nautilus does not launch the program. however, calling the script from console does.
[21:42] <Fendaris> is there a way to sort lsmod alphabeticallyß
[21:42] <ppf> Fendaris: lsmod | sort
[21:42] <Mouse42> Hi!  16.04: I want ul(1) to process 8859-1 text rather than whatever it is trying to do now (presumably UTF-8).  What do I need to do?  I've tried setting LANG=C, LOCALE=C, LOCALE=en_US.foo for various foo such as 8859-1, ISO8859-1, ISO-8859-1...I assume I'm just missing something, but what?
[21:44] <Fendaris> I see three entries named like the driver: ath10k_core           311296  1 ath10k_pci; ath10k_pci             45056  0; ath                    32768  1 ath10k_core  is that ok?
[21:44] <insty> does ubuntu have a hibernate
[21:44] <Fendaris> some guide says if I see two drivers i should blacklist one
[21:45] <ppf> insty: sure
 just open gedit and before open the file choose the 8859-1 (add it first if not there)
 don't try to open the file with gedit... just start gedit and then choose (after adding it) the encoding from down-left corner
[21:47] <koleygr> then save as utf-8
[21:47] <Mouse42> koleygr, what file?  The text is being output by another program, not sitting in a file.  Converting the 8859-1 to UTF-8 is of no help unless (a) it's done with a filter and (b) there's a filter to convert back.
 Sorry... i thought it was a file... but you can try save it in a file... I will read again your problem
[21:48] <Fendaris> rfkill list all gives a 1: phy0: Wireless Lan Soft blocked: no, hard  blocked: no. Is that ok?
[21:50] <\9> Mouse42: it's possible to do encoding conversions on the commandline using iconv
[21:51] <Mouse42> Hm, I'll check the manpage, that might be usable as a workaround.
[21:51] <\9> Mouse42: in your case it'd probably be command |iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8 |ul
[21:51] <wafflejock> Fendaris, rfkill output looks good just means no hardware switch is set to off
[21:52] <Mouse42> well, iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t utf-8 | ul | iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1...I'll check the manpage, as I said.
[21:54] <Mouse42> Curious.  I'm still getting "ul: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character", even with that.  Maybe I'll have to pull in a ul from elsewhere.  I was hoping to avoid that.
[21:55] <Fendaris> @wafflejock my wifi still keeps stopping transmitting data after a few minutes until i manually reset it
[21:55] <Fendaris> and my wifi connection says 1Mb/s which doesnt make any sense
[21:55] <insty> can i use virt-manager to manage vms
[21:56] <insty> in xen
[21:56] <wafflejock> Fendaris, yeah not sure usually you do just want 1 kernel module loaded for a given piece of hardware but maybe different for some wireless cards
[21:57] <wafflejock> Fendaris, you may want to try blacklisting some of those though it's relatively harmless to try
[21:58] <wafflejock> Fendaris, you probably want to check syslog and/or dmesg and/or journalctl for errors when it stops working to see what the failure is too but a little strange having 3 modules loaded for that wireless nic
[21:59] <Fendaris> how do i check the syslog?
[22:01] <wafflejock> Fendaris, it's just a file in /var/log so cat /var/log/syslog or tail -f /var/log/syslog, can just run dmesg to see the most recent messages
[22:01] <hoagies> check dmesg first.  $dmesg, and give password if it asks
[22:04] <Fendaris> Oh nice, dmsg shows this: [ 3965.748195] ath10k_pci 0000:09:00.0: firmware crashed! (uuid 19425263-dbf0-43a7-8ea4-033f6ed37037)
[22:04] <marioxcc> Hello. How can I restore Firefox saved passwords from a backup?. I am following https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Install-and-Update/Recovering-important-data-from-an-old-profile/ta-p/1007. I copied key3.db, but there is no "logins.json".
[22:05] <XMG> marioxcc, you need 3 files
[22:05] <alawi> aa
[22:05] <Fendaris> So, now we know my wifi driver is crashing.  Pretty cool. =D but what to do about it? http://dumptext.com/J9K2DLDy
[22:06] <hoagies> cool, now google something like ath10k_pci firmware crash, and hopefully you'll find some peeps that have had that same problem before with some answers
[22:07] <Fendaris> hahaha. Found a thread with a few people reporting this crash. Here is the first solution someone proposed: I gave up and purchased an Intel 7265 AC m.2 wifi card for my laptop last night, bluetooth and wifi both working fine with that now.
[22:08] <insty> why is virtualization so confusing
[22:09] <insty> it-s 2017
[22:11] <nacc> insty: yes, you point virsh at xen:// iirc
[22:11] <ppf> exactly, everyone's moved on to containers, now!
[22:11] <nacc> insty: but i also don't know why you are using xen
[22:11] <nacc> insty: what do you find confusing?
[22:11] <insty> nacc, I don-t know what virsh is
[22:11] <nacc> insty: libvirt's cli
[22:11] <nacc> insty: virt-manager is just a wrapper for the same, iirc
[22:12] <Fendaris> echo "options ath10k_core skip_otp=Y" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ath10k_core.conf <-- what does this do?
[22:12] <Fendaris> oh, interesting. Something about a bluetooth issue... I did add a bluetooth mouse since I last used linux
[22:12] <insty> nacc, okay, I know virtmanager
[22:12] <nacc> insty: virt-manager -c xen:///
[22:12] <nacc> insty: something along those lines, i believe
[22:12] <insty> nacc, I-m running ubuntu on top of xen atm
[22:13] <insty> I can open virtmanager and manager more vm-s but not this one_
[22:13] <nacc> insty: i don't know what you mean by 'more vm-s'
[22:13] <ppf> Fendaris: it makes ath10k_core load with the skip_otp option set
[22:13] <insty> nacc, when I open virtmanager its like  a virtual box
[22:14] <Fendaris> haha, I just tried to do what this guy says here >> Mine was still crashing on 5G prior to upgrading the system with pacman -Syu which upgraded my kernel to 6.6.1-2-ARCH ...
[22:14] <insty> i can create and delete vms
[22:14] <insty> and run them
[22:14] <Fendaris> what i did was pacman -Syu in terminal
[22:14] <Fendaris> it complained that pacman isnt installed.. so i did sudo apt install pacman
[22:14] <Henster> hey guys
[22:14] <nacc> Fendaris: pacman is not an ubuntu tool
[22:14] <Fendaris> then pacman -Syu ... and it opened a pacman game which i could play
[22:14] <k1l_> Fendaris: dont run pacman on ubuntu
[22:14] <Henster> anybofy evder isntalled ubuntu server on a samsung galaxy 5?
[22:15] <k1l_> Fendaris: you know this isnt arch, do you?
[22:15] <nacc> insty: yes
[22:15] <Fendaris> i am a complete linux newbie, with some wierd wifi driver crash. So I am stumbling around a little bit
[22:15] <Henster> @k1l_ are you talking to me>?
[22:15] <insty> nacc, but this ubnutu I am running on top of xen right now, does not show up in virt manager
[22:15] <k1l_> Henster: no, i didnt use your nick at first.
[22:16] <nacc> insty: where are you running virt-manager? in the ubuntu VM?
[22:16] <Henster> lol right sorry bro
[22:16] <nacc> insty: what URI are you connecting virt-manager to?
[22:16] <insty> nacc, yes
[22:16] <k1l_> Henster: and you cant put ubuntu server on your samsung galaxy 5 nativly.
[22:16] <ppf> Henster: so you want to use your cellphone as a server? :D
[22:16] <insty> nacc, I mean, I think this ubuntu is dom0
[22:16] <nacc> insty: so from other VMs on the same host, you see the host's VMs?
[22:16] <nacc> insty: that's not what you said
[22:16] <Fendaris> To be honest: I think buying a different wifi modem is the easiest solution...
[22:17] <nacc> insty: dom0 is xen itself, aiui, so you're not running ubuntu on top of xen, you're running ubuntu as a xen server
[22:17] <Henster> @k1l_ but i dont want to install another app ,, can i place it on the harddrive without android ?
[22:17] <insty> nacc, grub gives me the option to run ubunto normally or to run it on top of xen. I am running it on top of xen.
[22:17] <nacc> insty: and I *really* don't know why you'd want to do that
[22:17] <Henster> @ppf yeah i want to use it as a server
[22:17] <nacc> insty: but if you are running it as dom0, then of course ubuntu won't show up as a VM
[22:17] <nacc> insty: it's not a VM, it's dom0
[22:17] <insty> nacc, got it
[22:17] <k1l_> Henster: no. on arm devices like the smartphones you cant just install an OS like you can on the PC. its a driver nightmare.
[22:18] <rek> hello, do you know how can i have my usb in otg mode at the boot without using the settings program coman to enable it?
[22:18] <insty> nacc, I just wanted a way to manage local vms
[22:18] <nacc> insty: do you need to use xen?
[22:18] <Henster> @k1l_ i thought the rasbery pi sorted that out for us ? ugg should i just a pi then > lol
[22:18] <insty> nacc, and run them concurrently  as type1
[22:18] <ppf> Henster: there's more devices in there than just the processor
[22:19] <k1l_> Henster: no, the rpi only got some of their drivers open sourced. but not even they got all drivers. you still need binary blobs there.
[22:19] <insty> nacc, I don't know that I do, but ike you said, this is giving me a dom0, which is necessary
[22:19] <insty> nacc, otherwise I-d need a separate machine?
[22:20] <nacc> insty: no, dom0 is a xen thing
[22:20] <nacc> insty: if you just need to run VMs locally you absolutely don't need Xen
[22:20] <insty> nacc, explain what does run locally mean
[22:20] <nacc> insty: and presuming your CPU supports KVM, then all you need is that
[22:20] <nacc> insty: on your machine.
[22:21] <insty> nacc, but i need some GUI to manage them
[22:21] <nacc> insty: why? then use virt-manager
[22:21] <ppf> or virtualbox
[22:21] <nacc> insty: i feel like you need to go do some basic education possibly
[22:21] <nacc> insty: on virtualization options and decide which is best for you
[22:22] <insty> nacc, so, I run ubnutu, either on metal or ad dom0, and use virt manager to manages other vm-s
[22:22] <nacc> insty: why do you keep saying 'other vms'?
[22:22] <nacc> insty: if you install ubuntu on metal all VMs are 'other VMs'
[22:23] <nacc> insty: but on metal means you can do whatever you want as VMs go
[22:23] <nacc> insty: dom0 implies xen
[22:23] <nacc> insty: virt-manager can support either
[22:23] <insty> nacc, right now I have the option to run the same ubuntu on metal or on xen
[22:23] <insty> in grub
[22:24] <nacc> insty: probably because you installed xen
[22:24] <insty> nacc, yes, and you are saying I can run KVM instead
[22:25] <Slie> So I have no network on my ubuntu box but I want to ssh into it any ideas of what direction I should go?
[22:26] <nacc> insty: yes, if you installed xen, then i assume you wnat to use xen
[22:26] <nacc> insty: if you don't know that you need to use xen, don't install it.
[22:26] <insty> nacc, I was using xen before citrix bought it, it had a GUI thin layer and let you manage and run VMs concurrently
[22:26] <k1l_> Slie: why dont you have any network on your box when you want to ssh to it?
[22:27] <Slie> Linux isn't live boot with the network card I guess.
[22:27] <insty> nacc, it installed as its own iso/distro
[22:27] <insty> nacc, I-m really just trying to replicate that same functionality
[22:27] <k1l_> Slie: so its a liveusb?
[22:27] <Slie> sorry, ubuntu isn't bootable with the wireless card. neither is gentoo. i'll just find it and load it after i get the system installed on there.
[22:28] <Slie> No not anymore. i'ts a full install through the GUI installer.
[22:28] <k1l_> Slie: no chance of adding a ethernet cable? most times that the easiest method to install the needed drivers
[22:30] <Slie> oh yeah nevermind ubuntu wont install without a network connection
[22:34] <k1l_> Slie: it does
[22:35] <Slie> so i would like to ssh into it after i get it installed.
[22:35] <ordertochaos> Slie: no network connection, no ssh connection
[22:38] <k1l_> Slie: then install the openssh-server package
[22:44] <Mouse42> p/quit
[22:46] <Xubuntu_Dude> alrighty now
[22:52] <Xubuntu_Dude> SO far so good
[22:52] <Xubuntu_Dude> Yeha it's NASCAR rcing time
[22:52] <AlloaPark25> zzzz zz
[22:53] <Xubuntu_Dude> kinda slow in here
[22:53] <AlloaPark25> yup....
[22:53] <Xubuntu_Dude> just got back on with new install
[22:54] <k1l_> Xubuntu_Dude: if there is no support request in a technical support channel, that is a good sign :)  for chatter we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:55] <rxbad> does anyone knows a job in Lisbon
[22:55] <Xubuntu_Dude> gotcha just seein if someone was on from earlier
[22:55] <Xubuntu_Dude> we'll head over there
[22:55] <OerHeks> rxbad, check out ubuntu careers perhaps?
[22:57] <OerHeks> free support is needed urgently
[22:57] <rxbad> anyone to chat
[22:58] <rxbad> bye
[23:04] <arog> hey i have a basic terminal question. if i do ipcs i see a list of all open shared memories that my program created. Unfortunately there isa bug in my code that I forgot to delete those shared memory segments. Is it possible to write a quick scrip that goes through all the shm in ipcs and calls ipcrm -m key_id?
[23:05] <nacc> arog: yes, that's possible.
[23:05] <nacc> arog: i'm not sure that it's a very good question -- most things are possible
[23:05] <Photon> Whenever I try to run tmux it breaks, telling me that nothing is a command. It happened randomly: http://pastebin.com/u9ZQqyif
[23:07] <arog> nacc i need help writing that script :)
[23:08] <nacc> !alis | arog: you may want to find a better channel for that, not really a support request
[23:08] <nacc> arog: but you probably don't want to delete *all* shm, only the ones your program leaked
[23:11] <arog> yeah
[23:13] <arog> thanks
[23:13] <arog> ill ask in bash
[23:13] <Photon> Whenever I try to run tmux it breaks, telling me that nothing is a command. It happened randomly: http://pastebin.com/u9ZQqyif
[23:14] <OerHeks> arog lsof? http://blog.tanelpoder.com/2009/01/22/identifying-shared-memory-segment-users-using-lsof/
[23:14] <apes> For Ubuntu 14.04, what service does dhclient run under?
[23:15] <apes> I would like to reload it if it's config changes in puppet, but I'm not clear on how the service is managed
[23:15] <nacc> apes: 14.04 used upstart
[23:17] <apes> nacc: I don't see any upstart service managing dhclient though
[23:17] <apes> So something weird is going on
[23:17] <OerHeks> sudo dhclient -r && sudo client # The -r flag explicitly releases the current lease, and once the lease has been released, the client exits
[23:19] <OerHeks> or specify adapter sudo dhclient -r eth0
[23:20] <OerHeks> ( maybe there is a more elegant solution to reset)
[23:21] <Fendaris> I think I messed up installing a boost. Could somebody be so kind to take me through the process of installing/uninstalling a second to see if I mess something up?
[23:21] <nacc> Fendaris: how did you install it?
[23:23] <Photon> Whenever I try to run tmux it breaks, telling me that nothing is a command. It happened randomly: http://pastebin.com/u9ZQqyif
[23:25] <billymichael> im having an issue where sometimes my mouse focus gets stuck on my window until i go to terminal view (ctrl+alt+f6) and back to desktop view (ctrl+alt+f7). Any ideas why this sometimes happens?
[23:26] <billymichael> Once the focus is stuck the desktop will no longer respond to mouse clicks
[23:26] <nacc> billymichael: anything in dmesg when it does?
[23:27] <billymichael> Will i need to check when it is actually happening? or can i check now (it happened mayube 15 mins ago..
[23:27] <nacc> billymichael: it depends, but it doesn't hurt to look
[23:27] <Fendaris> @nacc: unfortunately in a variety of ways by now xD
[23:28] <Fendaris> which is great... good opportunity to get a better ubuntu understanding
[23:28] <nacc> Fendaris: that's probably your first mistake ... did you do those ways as root or as your user?
[23:28] <nacc> Fendaris: (sudo would be as root as well)
[23:28] <Fendaris> partially yes
[23:28] <Fendaris> so I should be able to deinstall it though
[23:29] <billymichael> Should i be looking for anything in particular?
[23:29] <Fendaris> I thought I deinstalled it, and reinstalled 1.55. But when I run cmake, it says Boost Version 1.58.0
[23:29] <nacc> Fendaris: as root, you can easily do things taht break your system and are not recoverable, just a word of warnig
[23:29] <nacc> Fendaris: so if you do something as root, you should know 100% what it does and why and not doing it otherwise
[23:29] <Fendaris> I already broke it a few times while installing tensorflow on an enthusiast system as a complete linux beginner xD
[23:30] <Fendaris> but  got that to run eventually
[23:30] <apes> Anyone know how dhclient get started/daemonized on Ubuntu? I'm not seing a service around it in either 14.04 or 16.04.
[23:31] <nacc> apes: on 16.04 desktop, pstree indicates lxd and networkmanager start it
[23:31] <nacc> apes: `pstree` may help you out
[23:31] <Fendaris> i ll first try to delete the folder of what i am trying to build, and rebuild it cleanly, to see if cmake detects my prefered boost version
[23:33] <Fendaris> stupid question: how do I find my /usr/local/ folder?
[23:33] <nacc> Fendaris: what do you mean?
[23:33] <nacc> Fendaris: it's /usr/local.
[23:34] <Fendaris> my terminal says name@name:~$
[23:34] <Fendaris> do I just go cd /usr/local?
[23:34] <nacc> Fendaris: you asked where an absolute path was ... sort of nonsensical
[23:34] <apes> nacc: Where did you get the lxd and networkmanager from pstree?
[23:34] <Fendaris> ah nice :D
[23:34] <nacc> Fendaris: yes?
[23:35] <nacc> apes: on my 16.10 system, `pstree | less` and looked for dhclient and then walked up the tree
[23:35] <k1l_> Fendaris: if a path starts with /path/to/somewhere it always means: starts at / (rootfolder) which is the lowest base.
[23:35] <apes> nacc: dhclient just appears as a child of systemd for me
[23:35] <Fendaris> so I did this: ./bootstrap.sh --prefix=/usr/local when I installed boost... is there an easy way to tell where it is inside there? does it get put into lib?
[23:35] <nacc> apes: are you on a server?
[23:35] <apes> Yes
[23:35] <Fendaris> there is no boost folder in /usr/local
[23:35] <nacc> apes: ah, that'd be the difference, i'm on a desktop
[23:35] <k1l_> Fendaris: if its path/to/somewhere it means starting from the path where you are, or its a typo and the first / was forgotten :)
[23:36] <nacc> Fendaris: it will have installed to multiple directories within /usr/local
[23:36] <nacc> Fendaris: as --prefix just says here is what you should preifx to all your install directories
[23:36] <nacc> Fendaris: you can't ascertain what they all are without knowing what the installer did
[23:36] <Fendaris> my goal is to figure out which boost files I have. Do i have 1.58 and 1.55 installed, or only one or neither. I thought I can check the folders, but am unsure where they are
[23:36] <nacc> Fendaris: hence my -- if you don't know what something is going to do as root, don't do it.
[23:37] <Fendaris> well, but i know which install commands i used
[23:37] <k1l_> !info libboost-all-dev xenial
[23:37] <nacc> Fendaris: do you know what those commands did?
[23:37] <Fendaris> Absolutely not, but I thought they are standard ubuntu commands?
[23:37] <nacc> Fendaris: uh
[23:37] <nacc> Fendaris: a script you ran
[23:37] <Fendaris> I mean this for example: sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev
[23:37] <wedgie> there are a lot of "standard" commands that can do terrible things to your system
[23:38] <Fendaris> how can i read the install script of this sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev?
[23:38] <nacc> Fendaris: you never ran that install script
[23:38] <k1l_> Fendaris: a sledgehammer is a standard tool. but if you use it on your car, its not a good use :)
[23:38] <nacc> Fendaris: nad it doesn't put anyting in /usr/local
[23:38] <Fendaris> i ran that, too, nacc
[23:38] <nacc> Fendaris: ran what too?
[23:38] <Fendaris> How do I figure out where sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev goes? as i used that and it "infected" me with the wrong versio nthat I dont need xD
[23:39] <Fendaris> also I thought I uninstalled it and it should be gone
[23:39] <nacc> Fendaris: dpkg -L libboost-all-dev
[23:39] <Fendaris> dpkg -S /usr/include/boost/version.hpp sudo apt-get autoremove package
[23:39] <Fendaris> I did this
[23:39] <Fendaris> which is supposed to delete boost
[23:39] <nacc> Fendaris: well, that line on its own is nonsense, i'm assuming you used a pipe or a script
[23:39] <wedgie> -S searches...
[23:39] <yakiza> Hello everyone i  have just bought an ssd and i put my system on my ssd from my old harddrive and  i have installed the same proprietary drivers for my graphics card and they dont work my coumputer wont even start properly any help
[23:39] <yakiza> ?
[23:40] <Fendaris> it s two lines
[23:40] <nacc> Fendaris: what did you put for 'package'?
[23:40] <Fendaris> the description said the first line finds the boost package, and the second one removes it
[23:40] <Fendaris> nothing
[23:40] <nacc> ...
[23:40] <Fendaris> i just left it as package, which is apparently wrong judging from your answer xD
[23:40] <nacc> Fendaris: i feel like you should read the ubuntu manual or some basic scripting things
[23:40] <nacc> Fendaris: and not c&p random things from the internet as root
[23:41] <nacc> Fendaris: in that particular case, it wanted you to use the first command to find a package name and use the second command to remove it
[23:41] <nacc> Fendaris: instead you attempted to autoremove something called 'package'
[23:41] <Fendaris> ah nvm, i remembered that wrong. I already figured out that i need to put the name of the package
[23:41] <nacc> Fendaris: which, if you looked at the output from apt in that case, would be pretty obvious
[23:41] <Fendaris> I did that, and I am repeating it now to remove sudo apt-get autoremove libboost1.58-dev
[23:41] <nacc> Fendaris: ok, what package name did you use?
[23:42] <Henster> hey man you know ehn you cp a file and use -R -v i which it showd a bar of the current file size that im copyig  like when you use wget
[23:42] <Fendaris> >> Removing openmpi-common (1.10.2-8ubuntu1) ...
[23:42] <Fendaris>  .... and so on and so on .... is it gone now?
[23:42] <Henster> lol i jsut called everyine hey man
[23:42] <Fendaris> ok it s gone :)
[23:42] <nacc> Fendaris: 'autoremove' does not typically take any arguments
[23:42] <Fendaris> Package 'libboost1.58-dev' is not installed
[23:42] <Fendaris> it worked, i deinstalled 1.58
[23:43] <nacc> Fendaris: you remove something, then you autoremove packages (without any specification) that are no longer needed
[23:43] <Fendaris> ah, ok. So that's the proper way to go about it? How do you "remove something" without autoremove?
[23:43] <nacc> Fendaris: apt remove <pkgname>
[23:44] <SunSparc> When packaging an app if I put a file in "debian/service" it will end up installed at "/lib/systemd/system/[package-name].service". Is there an equivalent for a unit.path file?
[23:44] <Fendaris> but now i dont need to do that, because dpgk -S finds no  boost anymore?
[23:44] <genii> If you want the packages conf files and other things gone, use purge
[23:44] <Fendaris> it s gone
[23:44] <Fendaris> ...but it is impossible to use sudo apt install to get an older version of boost? I have to do that manually?
[23:46] <Fendaris> Yes! :-) Cmake doesn't find boost 1.58 anymore. it's gone =D
[23:46] <Fendaris> ...now... if I could just manage to install 1.55 properly...
[23:46] <nacc> Fendaris: `apt-cache policy <pkgname>` will tell you what you can install
[23:47] <nacc> Fendaris: 1.55 is only available officially on 14.04
[23:47] <Fendaris> oh, how do i figure out again if a version older than 1.58 is available on ubuntu 16.04?
[23:47] <Fendaris> dont tell me there is none, please xD
[23:47] <nacc> Fendaris: apt-cache search probably
[23:48] <nacc> Fendaris: and officially there is none
[23:48] <Fendaris> open source just never works officially
[23:48] <phormat> hi. how do i upgrade form ubuntu 16.04 LTS to 16.04.02 LTS using apt-get?
[23:48] <cfhowlett> phormat, sudo apt full-uprgrade
[23:48] <k1l_> phormat: just run "sudo apt update" then "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[23:48] <cfhowlett> *upgrade
[23:49] <phormat> thx
[23:49] <yakiza> Hello everyone i  have just bought an ssd and i put my system on my ssd from my old harddrive and  i have installed the same proprietary drivers for my graphics card and they dont work my coumputer wont even start properly any help
[23:49] <nacc> Fendaris: that's FUD
[23:51] <SunSparc> Any packaging gurus here?
[23:51] <cfhowlett> !packaging | SunSparc
[23:52] <SunSparc> cfhowlett: Thanks
[23:52] <cfhowlett> happy2help!  cool name btw
[23:52] <craptalk> i am seeking info around MBR partition, my question is, does windows able to be installed in the Harddisk other than primary partition? since linux can be installed in logical partition
[23:52] <SunSparc> cfhowlett: Gotta love that Sun hardware. ;)
[23:53] <nacc> SunSparc: i believe dh-systemd handles that partiular case
 You can use gpt partition table and have as much primary partitions as you want
[23:54] <phormat> cfhowlett: how do i verify that i now indeed have ubuntu 16.04.2 and not 16.04? System settings > Details shows 16.04
[23:54] <craptalk> koleygr: i get your point, but i am currently using MBR
[23:54] <SunSparc> nacc: Thank you
[23:54] <craptalk> and asking about MBR
[23:54] <craptalk> can windows be installed in ext partition?
[23:54] <nacc> phormat: do the upgrade, reboot, lsb_release -a (iirc), but note that 16.04.2 is mostly relevant for fresh installs
[23:55] <nacc> phormat: and if you are upgrading, you will need to manually enable HWE if you want
[23:55] <craptalk> i have read that it cant
[23:55] <craptalk> is that true?
[23:55] <phormat> nacc: thanks
[23:55] <dax> craptalk: Windows needs a primary partition, I believe
[23:55] <dax> craptalk: ##windows would probably know better
[23:57] <davidj> Alright, dumb question time. Fresh ubuntu installation. Nothing installed aside from a couple of python/pip3 packages, smartmontools & gsmartmonitor (sp?). Anyways. ~10am this morning rolls around, and suddenly my computer starts blaring alarm-like sounds. I audited my syslogs, and there's lots of pulseaudio/alsa stuff around the time it occurred, but
[23:57] <davidj> nothing stupidly obvious.
[23:57] <davidj> Any thoughts?
[23:57] <davidj> I should note, I have no scheduling apps/alarms of any sort configured.
 It suggested that you first insatll windows and after that linux... because sometimes it doesn't even ask ant takes all the space for windows... You will probably need a new install of everything... So just don't forget to keep buck ups and if you do a new install of everything try a gpt


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[13:53] <MooDoo> howdy knightwork
[14:03]  * diddledan has knightmares about knightwork
[14:04] <diddledan> kuh-night
[14:04] <diddledan> :-p
[14:04] <diddledan> or kuh-nih-guht
[14:04] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/9V7zbWNznbs?t=5
[14:11] <knightwork> lol diddledan
[14:12] <knightwork> at least im in your dreams
[14:12] <diddledan> :-)
[14:12] <diddledan> I won't mention the "other" dreams ;-p
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[14:18] <diddledan> alternatively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeRDHjD7wUg
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