[01:52] <cjohnston> kenv[phone]: its been 5 hours since gwibber updated FB
[01:52] <kenv[phone]> Gt
[01:52] <kenv[phone]> That is facebook throttling us :(
[01:53] <cjohnston> :-(
[01:53] <cjohnston> when you get a chance to chat, I have something I want to talk to you about.
[01:53] <cjohnston> I thought that there was supposed to be a chance that fixed the throttling
[04:52] <kenvandine> cjohnston, yeah it'll take time
[04:52] <kenvandine> we need enough users to get the update so the usage goes down
[07:37] <pitti> Good morning
[07:48] <baptistemm> heya
[07:48] <pitti> mvo: guten Morgen
[07:49] <mvo> hey pitti, good morning
[07:49]  * pitti hugs mvo
[08:35] <and471> mvo, hi, to work on the logindialog stuff, do I use the trunk branch or my branch? (have you done more work on in, on top of mine in trunk)?
[08:37] <and471> hi mpt, vish
[08:37] <mpt> Good morning
[08:37] <and471> grhh, I just read the whole GNOMe census thing and now I am grumpy :(
[08:38] <mvo> and471: I think best is to just merge my changes into your branch and then work from that
[08:38] <and471> mvo, ok, will do
[08:45] <didrocks> good morning
[08:45] <and471> didrocks, mornin
[08:45] <didrocks> hey and471
[08:54] <didrocks> vish: thanks for the link, I'll have a look at next cheese upload
[09:01] <pitti> hey didrocks
[09:02] <didrocks> good morning pitti, how are you?
[09:02] <pitti> I'm great, thanks. how are you? last guadec day?
[09:02] <seb128> hey
[09:02] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:02]  * pitti hugs seb128
[09:02]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[09:03] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, last guadec day :)
[09:13] <and471> mvo, I have some conflicts in appdetailsview_gtk
[09:13] <and471> mvo, what is the 'application-request-action' signal?
[09:14] <mvo> and471: its when the app wnats to get installed or removed
[09:15] <mvo> and471: we handle that in app.py to not have action code in the view itself
[09:15] <and471> mvo, ok
[09:15] <and471> mvo, is that recent?
[09:16] <mvo> and471: yeah, sometimes last week iirc
[09:16] <and471> ah ok
[09:17] <and471> mvo, is the signal (that I have created) ok 'review-submit-requested' (in terms of phrasing etc.)
[09:18] <mvo> and471: yeah, I thnk that is fine
[09:26] <vish> hey didrocks and471 :)
[09:26] <and471> mvo, http://paste.lisp.org/display/112974
[09:26] <vish> didrocks: np , neat thanks.
[09:28] <vish> and471: yay! michael committed the lernid fix ;)
[09:28] <seb128> mvo, hey
[09:28] <and471> vish, :)
[09:28] <vish> and471: pretty soon upstreams are going to get tired of me ;)
[09:28] <and471> vish, haha
[09:28] <seb128> mvo, is there any way to run something in a package directly after unpack?
[09:28] <seb128> ie not wait on the postinst to run
[09:29] <vish> and471: i think we would need a debdiff for that to get fixed for the Ubuntu package
[09:29] <and471> vish, yeah or wait for a new packaging
[09:30] <and471> vish, ask michael if he intends to do a new release in ubuntu anytime soon because if not then we will need to make a debdiff
[09:31] <vish> and471: hmm , i dont think he does the packaging , didrocks uploaded it last time
[09:31] <vish> and471: lernid hasnt changed much either , since the last upload
[09:32] <and471> vish, I shall have a look later today
[09:32] <vish> and471: or maybe it has, there have been a few commits since 2/24.. :)
[09:34] <huats> morning
[09:37] <mvo> seb128: hi, what is the use-case?
[09:38] <seb128> mvo, gtk update
[09:38] <seb128> mvo, there is a cache for the pixbuf loaders
[09:39] <seb128> but the cache update happens in the postinst and triggers now
[09:39] <mvo> seb128: so you want to break the "unpack/configure" cycle for gtk so that its immediatley configured
[09:39] <seb128> but it seems some other postinst scripts need the loaders and run before the gtk postinst script
[09:39] <mvo> seb128: what about a dpkg trigger? not quite immediate though
[09:39] <seb128> well we have a trigger
[09:39] <seb128> asac had the issue yesterday
[09:39] <seb128> I had similar issues in my log
[09:40] <mvo> seb128: so the cache format is no longer compiatible, is that the issue?
[09:40] <seb128> gtk-update-icon-cache can be used in other postinsts before gtk update the cache
[09:40] <seb128> no
[09:40] <seb128> we used to patch gtk to not use a cache but go read all the files in a dir rather
[09:40] <seb128> slomo dropped that in favor of a trigger now
[09:40] <seb128> but it seems that's not doing the job
[09:43] <mvo> seb128: do you have a bugreport or something to look at? I don't fully understand what breaks, if something else updates the icon cache, that should be fine, no? its a cache etc?
[09:43] <seb128> what I understand of the issue is
[09:43] <seb128> gdk-pixbuf is unpacked
[09:44] <seb128> other things are unpacked
 is configured
[09:44] <seb128> the software.postinst runs update-gtk-icon-cache
[09:44] <seb128> which complains that there is no svg gdk pixdbuf loader installed
[09:44] <seb128> that's because it doesn't find the cache which lists the pidbuf loaders
[09:45] <seb128> then gdk-pixbuf is configured
[09:45] <seb128> which creates the cache
[09:45] <seb128> but the update-gtk-icon-cache call in the middle failed to work
[09:46] <seb128> mvo, you can ask asac for a debug log
[09:47] <seb128> asac, I got your email but the log file is not in your userdir
[09:47] <and471> mvo, I seem to have python-debian installed, but 'from debian import deb882' doesn't work - no module named debian
[09:47] <geser> and471: which version of python-debian?
[09:48] <and471> geser, in the lucid repos
[09:48] <seb128> mvo, did you upgrade gtk yet since yesterday?
[09:48] <and471> geser, do I need the maverick version?
[09:49] <seb128> mvo, could you watch your upgrade log to see if you had warnings about loaders.cache?
[09:49] <geser> and471: yes, python-debian 0.1.15 renamed "debian_bundle" to "debian"
[09:49] <and471> geser, ah okay, thanks
[09:50] <mvo> and471: you need the maverick version, but you can also add
[09:50] <mvo> hey geser :)
[09:50] <and471> mvo, thanks, geser got it sorted :)
[09:50] <mvo> and471: you can add "try: import debian except ImportError: import debian_bundle
[09:51] <mvo> and471: that is actually a good idea, as I suspect some people will follow development on lucid systems
[09:51] <and471> mvo, will do
[09:51] <and471> mvo, where did all the fancy hover effects for the categoryview go?
[09:51] <mvo> thanks and471
[09:51] <mvo> and471: a couple of days ago, I like them
[09:52] <and471> mvo, sorry maybe you misunderstand, when I
[09:52] <and471> used SC before
[09:52] <and471> in the catview, there was a hover effect, like a GTK button
[09:52] <and471> but now it is not there?
[09:53] <mvo> and471: mpt did not like them
[09:53] <mvo> and471: I liked them though
[09:53] <and471> mvo, ah, yeah me too :(
[09:57] <seb128> kenvandine, pitti: hey
[09:58] <seb128> kenvandine, pitti: could one of you attend the r-t meeting today for our team?
[09:58] <seb128> I will be in the train to the airport at that time
[09:58] <pitti> unfortunately not, I have a job interview at 17:00
[09:58] <seb128> ok
[09:58] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[09:58] <seb128> I guess you are still sleeping but I don't know when I will be online later on
[09:58] <seb128> just tell them that most people are at GUADEC and be available for questions if we can
[09:58] <seb128> we -> you
[10:02] <asac> seb128: the url i gave you doesnt work?
[10:03] <asac> seb128: https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~asac/term.log
[10:03] <and471> mvo, could you explain what the different login backends (SSO and launchpad) are actually for? I don't really understand :)
[10:08] <mvo> and471: its a bit of a historal thing, LP was first, ideally eventually LP will go away
[10:08] <mvo> and471: and we use single-sign-on exclusively
[10:09] <and471> mvo, ok
[11:21] <and471> mvo, how are we going to store the credentials of the SSO?
[11:39] <mvo> and471: the gnome-keyring
[11:44] <and471> mvo, I am setting it up, so that it should be able to work with remebered passwords and not ask everytime
[11:44] <and471> mvo, however I don't have experience with gnome-keyring so I cannot do that backend part
[11:45] <mvo> and471: there is a a tests/gnome-keyring.py
[11:45] <mvo> and471: should should help you getting started (if you are interessted :)
[11:45] <and471> mvo, ah ok, maybe I can then :)
[11:58] <and471> mvo, yay reviewing is now hooked up :)
[16:14] <cjohnston> kenvandine: gotcha
[16:21] <nigelb> mvo: poke?
[16:22] <nigelb> mvo: can you take a look at bug 399711? Somone just came into #ubuntu-reviews asking if someone can review it.
[16:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 399711 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "add-apt-repository ppa:username does not add deb-src entry (affects: 5) (heat: 36)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399711
[16:23] <mvo> nigelb: sure
[16:25] <mvo> nigelb: looks fine
[16:25] <nigelb> awesome :)
[16:25] <nigelb> you're set as reviewer, so maybe you can accept for now and merge it in later when you get the time :)
[16:30] <asac> hmm ... pixbuf the second. firefox trunk doesnt build anymore here ;)
[16:30] <asac>                  from /home/asac/Development/upstream/mozilla/mozilla-central/xpcom/base/nsSystemInfo.cpp:45:
[16:30] <asac> ../../dist/system_wrappers/gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf.h:3: fatal error: gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf.h: No such file or directory
[16:30] <asac> chrisccoulson: ^^
[16:32] <asac> chrisccoulson: ignore it for now ;)
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> asac - micahg saw that yesterday too with other software
[16:32] <asac> i wanted to do a clean rebuild to update pkg-config info etc. but failed to do so it seems
[16:32] <asac> chrisccoulson: yeah. i already had that with other software, but usually a reconfigure was enough
[16:32] <asac> lets see what comes out of the fresh build i am doing now
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> i've not had a chance to look at it yet
[16:33] <asac> dont bother. most likely its fine
[16:33] <asac> just a header relocation, which means you need to rerun configure in built trees
[16:33] <asac> i will let you know what happens with the fresh rebuild here
[16:43] <and471> mvo, you here?
[16:43] <mvo> and471: yes
[16:44] <mvo> and471: yes
[16:46] <and471> mvo, I have hooked gnome keyring into the login backend so we can remember authorisations
[16:46] <and471> mvo, is it okay we store the item in the login keyring?
[16:46] <mvo> and471: I think it is
[16:47] <and471> mvo, let me rephrase that, is that where you planned to put it?
[16:47] <mvo> heh :)
[16:48] <mvo> and471: I had/have not fully made up my mind yet, I'm not a keyring expert, but I think its fine, epiphany and friends use it too for this purpose, but its worth double checking that they actually do
[16:48] <and471> mvo, yeah I was looking and eveything seems to store it in there, I don't think we want the user to have a separate password just for SC
[16:53] <and471> sabdfl, great post :)
[16:53] <sabdfl> thanks and471
[16:53] <sabdfl> now trying to follow my own advice and not get sucked into the vortex
[16:54] <and471> it is hard, I read that this morning and wanted to write some flamey blog post, but instead I watched Mock the Week and that calmed me down :D
[17:01] <vish> and471: heh , will fizz out soon... ;)
[17:01] <and471> I hope so Dr vish :D
[17:01] <vish> :)
[17:07] <and471> mvo, the gnome-keyring stuff is fully hooked up now, works perfectly :)
[17:07] <and471> mvo, I shall push my fixes, not quite ready for merging tho
[17:07] <mvo> and471: sweet
[17:07] <and471> mvo, I need to speak with mpt as we can't remember the password - only the auth
[17:07] <and471> mvo, so this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=review-single-sign-on.jpg
[17:08] <and471> mvo, doesn't really work
[17:08] <and471> rephrase - make sense
[17:09] <and471> mvo, do you know about the status of the online review service? Is that going to be ready anytime soon?
[17:11] <mvo> and471: not for maverick I think, it would be awsome though. its not hard, just takes a person willing to work on the django code
[17:11] <mvo> most of it is there
[17:11] <and471> mvo, that would be too big a leap for me :)
[17:11] <and471> mvo, for the keyring, do we need the secret?
[17:11] <mvo> what secret?
[17:12] <mvo> sorry, faulty memory :)
[17:12] <and471> mvo, ah maybe I have implemented this incorrectly
[17:12] <and471> mvo, right so with a keyring item you have an attribute called a 'secret'
[17:12] <and471> mvo, and then a set of attributes/details
[17:13] <and471> mvo, I have put all the auth stuff into the details, but maybe it should be in the secret
[17:13] <and471> is there anyone with some expertise/knowledge on gnome-keyring?
[17:13] <mvo> and471: yeah, the secret stuff needs to go there
[17:13] <and471> mvo, ah ok
[17:14] <and471> mvo, it is unfortunate, as the details are really easy to parse, they just come out as a python dictionary :)
[17:46] <and471> mvo, you will see in the keyring stuff, instead of updating values, I have just told it if we already have a keyring in there, to delete it and create a new one
[17:47] <and471> mvo, I have found it not to be reliable to update existing one, I just lost pretty much all of my keyrings :)
[18:02]  * pitti pokes mvo
[18:21] <mvo> and471: *meh* bad
[18:21] <mvo> hey pitti - sorry was at dinner
[18:21] <pitti> mvo: no problem :)
[18:34] <and471> mvo, are there some docs for ubuntu sso? I need to find out the name of the person signing in
[18:40] <mvo> and471: hold on, I vaguely remember about that
[18:47] <and471> mvo, thanks, also I cam across this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client. I just wanted to check there was no duplication of effort here
[18:47] <and471> *came
[18:48] <pitti> good night everyone, have a nice weekend!
[18:48] <and471> you too
[18:49] <mvo> and471: oh, this one. yeah, this is work that we may use. it depends on how far it is and how unbranded
[18:49] <and471> mvo, I haven't done all this work for nothing have I?
[18:50] <mvo> and471: no, I don't think so. but I hope the two can merge in the long run
[18:50] <and471> mvo, oh good :)
[18:51] <mvo> and471: but its a good point that you raise, we definitely need to talk
[18:51] <and471> mvo, any luck with the docs?


[14:53] <fish_> I'm trying to pxe boot the precise installer but it says: IP-Config: no response after X seconds - giving up (but still retries somehow ;))
[14:53] <fish_> anyways, I see the request and offer in the dhcp server log (dnsmasq)
[14:54] <fish_> not sure why it's not accepting the offer. any ideas what could restrict it?
[14:55] <fish_> and obviously dhcp seems to work, since it has booted pxe booted the installer seconds ago just fine
[15:27] <devicenull> fish_: is it a cisco switch? do you have portfast enabled?
[15:30] <fish_> devicenull: yes it's a cisco switch but I never heard of portfast. but it's a managed infrastructure (rackspace), so it might be enabled. I'll ask the support
[15:30] <devicenull> if portfast is disabled, you'll generally see intermittent timeouts for dhcp
[15:30] <devicenull> it's disabled by default, dunno if rackspace turns it on
[15:31] <fish_> devicenull: but it wasn't a intermittend timeout, it keeps retrying several times (dhcp server sends an offer each time) but it never send a request/binds the ip
[15:32] <fish_> but I realized that there are two dhcp servers. eth0 = my dhcp server, eth1 = rackspace dhcp server
[15:32] <fish_> sure, I need them to disable their dhcp server. but the behaviour is still confusing
[15:34] <devicenull> isn't there an option to specify which interface to use?  I don't know a ton about the ubuntu installer, but centos has 'bootif=eth0' as a kernel parameter
[15:35] <fish_> devicenull: unfortunately the order of interface isn't stable, so you can't really know which interface eth0 is
[15:35] <devicenull> ah
[15:35] <fish_> you can specific the mac, but I don't know the mac before booting
[15:36] <fish_> but I just booted the installer with 'break' to get a shell and it seems ipconfig works fine when executing manually


[03:24] <David23400> How can i add more language to keyboard?
[07:20] <SAKKED> how do i update VLC player?
[09:42] <silverarrow> hi
[09:43] <silverarrow> is there a way to check how much space there is left on  my harddrive?
[09:43] <bioterror> silverarrow, df -h
[09:44] <silverarrow> 41 % left
[09:44] <silverarrow> which I suppose means full
[09:45] <silverarrow> I need to get rid of stuff
[09:45] <hyperair> 41% sounds like a lot of space free.
[09:45] <hyperair> /dev/mapper/cryptostuff-home  441G  422G   19G  96% /home
[09:45] <silverarrow> not really, only a 60GB HD
[09:45] <hyperair> ah.
[09:46] <hyperair> still more empty space than me.
[09:46] <silverarrow> I replaced the old hd, and all I could get new with fas0t rmp was 6
[09:46] <silverarrow> 60
[09:47] <silverarrow> and it was a quite a job disassebleling an ibook
[09:47] <hyperair> heh
[09:47] <silverarrow> I could get a 130GB now, but at the time I could not
[09:48] <silverarrow> my HP laptop is different, a lid under you can easily take off, with one screw
[09:50] <silverarrow> but thanks, I shall write down the command
[11:54] <digitalcrow> Help me i have tearing on Lubuntu ! a lot of tearing on video and even more tearing on flash video.  On ubuntu i dont have tearing ! Is there any way i can fix the tearing without using a compositor. Please help Urgent
[12:07] <bioterror> could someone tell me what's tearing?
[14:45] <David23400> are ubuntu themes compatible with lubuntu?
[14:54] <holstein> David23400: wont hurt to try, but i would think not
[14:54] <holstein> a better question would be "what themes work with LXDE"
[14:55] <David23400> I need a mac theme for lubuntu
[14:55] <David23400> it will become laggy?
[14:56] <holstein> depends... "mac" is quite different.. adding functionality to LXDE is something that i would expect to slow it down... but again, it wont hurt to try
[14:56] <David23400> i can remove it if it became laggy?
[14:56] <holstein> i would search for lxde themes, and try adding what you want/need... changing an icon theme or wallpaper wont slow anything down
[14:57] <holstein> adding a dock might
[14:57] <holstein> David23400: you can literally do anything you like..
[15:00] <luko> hi folks
[15:13] <holstein> there are ways to use a panel as a dock, which i think looks a little "clunky" but there is no additional overhead really
[15:57] <David23400> anyone here for helping me to apply a simple theme on lubuntu? i'm new on linux.
[15:59] <DarkStar> sure
[15:59] <DarkStar> hit your menu button, and go to preferences
[15:59] <DarkStar> then to "custom look and feel"
[15:59] <David23400> http://namakutux.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-to-install-mac-os-x-lion-theme-on.html
[15:59] <David23400> I want to apply this
[16:00] <David23400> I've already done the first step myself using the way you just told.
[16:00] <David23400> But the wallpapers and steps 4-6, i dont understand.
[16:01] <DarkStar> step 4
[16:01] <DarkStar> right click your panel, the bar where you clock and start button are
[16:01] <DarkStar> hit properties
[16:01] <DarkStar> sorry
[16:01] <DarkStar> panel settings
[16:01] <David23400> okay
[16:01] <DarkStar> tick the top bubble
[16:02] <David23400> ok done
[16:02] <DarkStar> clikc the tab for panel applets
[16:02] <David23400> yea?
[16:02] <DarkStar> remove the things it tells you to by unchecking them
[16:03] <DarkStar> or highlight them and hit remove
[16:03] <DarkStar> remove Window List (Task Bar) Applet, Application Launch Bar Applet, Minimize All Windows Applet and Desktop Pager Applet.
[16:03] <David23400> ok done
[16:04] <DarkStar> Check the Strecth option of Spacer Applet between Menu Applet and system applet in order to get wide space between Menu and System Tray Applet.
[16:04] <DarkStar> step 5 and ill brb one sec
[16:04] <David23400> ok thanks
[16:11] <DarkStar> back
[16:11] <DarkStar> alright did you do step 5
[16:12] <David23400> no :D
[16:12] <David23400> was waiting you
[16:12] <DarkStar> k lol lemme catch up
[16:13] <DarkStar> ok the spacer is right inbetween your menu and the system tray, it's really hard to see
[16:14] <DarkStar> you'll right click it and you'll see 'spacer settings'
[16:14] <DarkStar> open that up and hit 'stretch'
[16:14] <David23400> between what and what ?? lol
[16:15] <DarkStar> it should be to the right of the start button
[16:15] <DarkStar> it's just a faint dotted line, nearly impossible to see
[16:16] <David23400> where is start button
[16:16] <DarkStar> just right click in the general area till you see the 'spacer settings' in the right click menu
[16:16] <DarkStar> at the top left corner of your screen
[16:16] <DarkStar> the blue square with the mountain in it
[16:16] <David23400> yes
[16:16] <DarkStar> the spacer is to the right of that
[16:16] <David23400> I right click on it?
[16:16] <DarkStar> to the right of it yea
[16:17] <DarkStar> just keep clikin till yo uget that option in the menu
[16:18] <DarkStar> we can skip it for now, it'll be easier to find when the theme is installed
[16:18] <David23400> ok
[16:18] <David23400> i didnt find it lol
[16:18] <David23400> I dont want to install the Dock because i think my PC will lagg with it
[16:19] <DarkStar> i doubt it, lubuntu is very lightweight, i use cairo on my netbook
[16:20] <David23400> but my PC has 1.7ghz cpu and 512mb of ram only
[16:20] <David23400> That's why
[16:20] <DarkStar> k
[16:20] <DarkStar> so, right click your start button and click 'menu settings'
[16:20] <DarkStar> /usr/share/icons/Mac-Lion-Icons/places/24/start-here.png
[16:21] <DarkStar> paste that into the box after you erase the old one
[16:22] <David23400> oh i change usr to my name xDD
[16:22] <DarkStar> no you leave it to /usr
[16:23] <David23400> ok but there is no apple icon
[16:23] <David23400> its a valve icon
[16:23] <DarkStar> did you install the theme already?
[16:24] <David23400> yes but didnt the icons :DDDDD
[16:24] <DarkStar> well you should do that lol
[16:24] <David23400> i'm doing it lol
[16:26] <David23400> ok done
[16:26] <David23400> now its apple
[16:28] <David23400> what else?
[16:30] <David23400> oh now i have spacer settings
[17:42] <DJRWolf> how do I change the clock from 24 hour to 12 hour?
[17:43] <wxl> DJRWolf: short answer— look at the man page for date
[17:44] <DJRWolf> rodger, checking
[17:44] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/strftime
[17:44] <Unit193> That one actually.
[17:44] <DJRWolf> thanks
[17:45] <wxl> DJRWolf: long answer— 1. right click the clock 2. click `"digital clock" settings` 3. change from %R to whatever you like
[17:45] <wxl> %r will give you HH:MM:SS (A/P)M
[17:45] <wxl> %l:%M might be more appropriate
[17:46] <wxl> or %I:%M if you like leading zeros
[17:46] <wxl> %p will add am/pm
[17:46] <wxl> Unit193: and yeah, either/or. it's in date, too.
[17:48] <j0bi> hello
[17:49] <j0bi> i just installed lubuntu at an old laptop compag and i bought a TP-link mini wifi usb adapter
[17:50] <j0bi> i want to ask this : i see the device with lsusb but at the connection it doesnt show that i have a wireless installed
[17:50] <j0bi> can someone help
[18:04] <bioterror> did I heard right that no non-pae for 12.10_
[18:04] <bioterror> ?
[18:06] <bioterror> I cry
[18:06] <j0bi> 0bda:8167 Realtek Semicontactor Corp  where can i find closed drivers ?
[18:07] <j0bi> its a mini wifi usb adaptor
[22:31] <j0bi> total waste
[22:31] <j0bi> pf
[22:31] <j0bi> no help at all
[22:32] <Hirsch> zkj0bi what was your problem before you parted?
[22:32] <holstein> something about a wifi adapter...
[22:33] <holstein> 13:49 < j0bi> i just installed lubuntu at an old laptop compag and i bought a TP-link mini wifi usb adapter
[22:33] <holstein> 13:50 < j0bi> i want to ask this : i see the device with lsusb but at the connection it doesnt show
[22:33] <holstein> gone now though....
[22:33] <Hirsch> lol
[22:33] <Hirsch> i fixed that problem
[22:34] <Hirsch> modprobe blacklist wrong driver


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[21:18] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue637 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue637 :D
[21:33] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Only noteworthy things I've spotted yet are 1.) "RiVar" needs to be escaped for camel case, and 2.) a stray space in the quote in the UBports summary.
[22:34] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Great - sorry I missed those - will fix.
[22:41] <Bashing-om> UWN: edits ^ done.


[01:25] <makx> i'm wondering why ubunut's modprobe accept different args
[01:25] <makx> don't see the "-Qb" on the debian side?
[01:27] <makx> infinity: can we have a chat next week concernint i-t furture :)
[01:27] <makx> ?
[02:37] <ppd> hi. I have looked at the dapper goals but haven't found anything about label driven mount on boot. What about that? this would also help people with a docking station, which often changes device paths
[02:50] <ppd> hi. I have looked at the dapper goals but haven't found anything about label driven mount on boot. What about that? this would also help people with a docking station, which often changes device paths. I know, it's not a desktop thing, but maybe somebody knows about it


[08:01]  * mac_v is away: Auto-away after 3 mins idle (gone at 26th Nov, 13:31:07)
[08:04] <kartook> any onme
[08:04] <kartook> hello
[08:49] <kwwii> mac_v: just answered your email
[08:49] <mac_v_> kwwii: ah , thanks :)
[08:50] <kwwii> thanks for the good work ;)
[08:51] <kwwii> I've been really busy this week
[08:51] <mac_v_> kwwii: heh.. ;)  that will probably be the last update for Karmic , revs after that will be for Lucid
[08:52] <kwwii> sounds good
[08:52] <kwwii> I'll get in touch once I know when/what/where/why ;)
[08:53] <mac_v_> lol ;p
[09:04] <thorwil> damn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Wasp
[09:13] <thorwil> i despise having some stuff directly in Incoming. historical reasons be damned
[09:15] <thorwil> best of all, his LP user link is broken
[09:16]  * mac_v scratches head... cant find the said theme
[09:16] <thorwil> there's an ongoing Rename just now
[09:17] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Wasp
[09:17] <mac_v> thorwil: is Incoming just a preview location or  shouldnt the user include the theme?
[09:18] <mac_v> i was hoping to see what he had done to fix OOo ;)
[09:18] <thorwil> mac_v: Incoming should be just the parent for ..., Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid, ...
[09:19] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , i got that :)... i meant ...> why didnt the user upload the theme
[09:19] <thorwil> mac_v: but since we already had long-going theme efforts right in there, we now have the rul that those can stay there and new ones can be added
[09:19] <thorwil> mac_v: but no theme should start out directly in Incoming
[09:20] <mac_v> yup , agreed ;)
[09:22] <thorwil> just this morning i deleted 2 attachments to the backgrounds guidelines page
[09:22] <thorwil> people so blind to the structure, adding stuff where no one else does, irritate me to no end
[09:23] <mac_v> thorwil: i think we need to add a link to a how-to-use-wiki tutorial in the artwork page
[09:24] <thorwil> mac_v: feel invited to write it. the reading-impaired will kick you in the balls without knowing ;)
[09:25]  * thorwil looks at the code of conduct he signed and shakes head
[09:25] <mac_v> thorwil: lol , I didnt mean i would write it .... i meant a link to somewhere in the web ... there must be a link for that
[09:25]  * mac_v searches
[09:27] <mac_v> thorwil: something like this > http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page
[09:28] <mac_v> sometimes users just didnt know how to add the content
[09:29] <mac_v> or simpler > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/How_to_edit_wiki_pages
[09:29] <thorwil> mac_v: sure. but it would have to be a prefect match to our wiki. and where the heck to put that, so every newcomer will see?
[09:30] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah... where to put it is the real question ;p   i dont know :(
[09:30] <almagest_divine> hey
[09:30] <mac_v> !hi | almagest_divine
[09:30] <thorwil> mac_v: maybe bring it up on the list.
[09:31] <mac_v> we have crappy bot questions...
[09:31]  * mac_v goes to the -ops ;)
[09:31] <mac_v> bot responses*
[09:31] <almagest_divine> lol
[09:33] <almagest_divine> so? how are you?
[09:42] <mac_v> !hi is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork! Channel for the community artwork team. Feel free to ask questions . Enjoy your stay!
[09:43] <mac_v> !contribute
[09:44] <thorwil> mac_v: look at this attachment to our home page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=LINUX_155.jpg
[09:45] <mac_v> lol...
[09:45]  * thorwil wants notifications on adding and deleting attachments
[09:48] <mac_v> !contribute is <reply> For information on current team activity and on contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[09:49] <mac_v> !contribute is <reply> For information regarding current Artwork team activity and about contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[09:53] <thorwil> mac_v: you should have answered how you are to almagest_divine ;p
[09:54] <mac_v> thorwil: meh...  i like bots better ;p
[10:16] <mac_v> !contribute
[10:20] <mac_v> !hi
[13:23] <almagest_divine> hey
[13:25] <almagest_divine> what is the best ubuntu theme?
[13:27] <zniavre> this one for sure : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/zni3?content=86285
[13:27] <zniavre> :o)
[13:29] <almagest_divine> any other theme? ;)
[13:30] <mac_v> !best
[13:31] <mac_v> almagest_divine: ^
[13:31] <mac_v>  ;)
[13:31] <almagest_divine> :)
[13:31] <almagest_divine> by best i meant a nice theme
[13:32] <zniavre> :o)
[13:33] <zniavre> it's ful of very nice theme on gnome-look.org
[13:33] <almagest_divine> yeah i was just viewing them
[13:33] <almagest_divine> thanks
[13:46] <almagest_divine> ok so i am done with #ubuntu-bots. they are really dumb.
[13:47] <almagest_divine> does ubuntu-studio has a theme of it own?
[13:47] <zniavre> you got it inside synaptic you can try it easily
[13:48] <almagest_divine> ok so it exists. great. i thought its just the wallpaper. thanks
[13:49] <zniavre> ubuntustudio-theme , ubuntustudio-wallpapers  , ubuntustudio-icon-theme
[13:50] <almagest_divine> isnt it better than others? i am not conducting a poll. just asking
[13:50] <zniavre> ubuntustudio-look installs all package needed
[13:51] <zniavre> i said the best one is mine   ^^
[13:51] <almagest_divine> yes i know but what is the second best?
[13:51] <zniavre> there is not
[13:52] <zniavre> i do not know in fact
[13:52] <almagest_divine> wow thats really nice
[13:52] <zniavre> there is plenty of nice theme let's try some and make your own idea
[13:52] <almagest_divine> so what is this channel about? artwork?
[13:52] <almagest_divine> ok sure
[13:53] <zniavre> im not into artwork team
[13:53] <almagest_divine> me neither.
[13:53] <zniavre> i just want to learn design bases here
[13:54] <almagest_divine> omg i have the ubuntu studio theme already installed. i used to love it but never noticed the  name
[13:54] <thorwil> mac_v: so finally i have and idea on how the google wave scrollbars work, thanks to http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/11/15/google_waves_scrollbars/
[13:55] <almagest_divine> i have been to fedora-art but they were not nice people
[13:55] <almagest_divine> i just asked them a serious question and they got offended
[13:56] <thorwil> almagest_divine: what was the question? :)
[13:56] <almagest_divine> i dont want to offend you too. but if you are asking for it so here it is
[13:56] <almagest_divine> i just asked them : who owns fedora?
[13:57] <almagest_divine> isnt that simple enough?
[13:58] <almagest_divine> thorwil: what do you think?
[13:58] <thorwil> almagest_divine: maybe not as trivial as one might think, initially, but not a good reason to get offended
[13:58] <mac_v> thorwil: ah.. you should have got an account when you were at the UDS ;)  iirc popey/czajkowski still has a lot of them left :)
[13:58] <mac_v> have*
[13:59] <almagest_divine> thorwil: that is what i told them that this is a nice question.
[13:59] <almagest_divine> and at the end i found out nobody knew the answer. :)
[13:59]  * mac_v hopes almagest_divine doesnt find out  , that mac_v owns fedora ;p
[14:00] <mac_v> damn it!
[14:00] <almagest_divine> wow thanks. let me inform them too
[14:01] <thorwil> almagest_divine: i would guess fedora is backed by redhat, that they have a few employees directly working on it and it's likely they own the trademark
[14:01] <almagest_divine> thorwil: yes redhat is the only sponsor and has formed it so definitely redhat owns fedora
[14:01] <almagest_divine> it owns every copyright and logo of fedora
[14:02] <almagest_divine> when i told tham the truth, they got offended
[14:02] <almagest_divine> them*
[14:02]  * thorwil gets coffee
[14:02]  * almagest_divine suspects some internal conflicts between redhat and fedora team
[14:03] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, talked to pitti...he says we should put them in lucid first and then we can think about backporting at least two of the changes
[14:03] <kwwii> mac_v: essentially, they don't want to update without a very good reason
[14:04] <mac_v> kwwii: sure , no probs
[14:04] <kwwii> so I'll add it to the release stuff for lucid
[14:04] <kwwii> which keeps that on track anyway
[14:04] <kwwii> and then we can make a branch for a possible karmic update
[14:04] <kwwii> I think that we have a good chance of getting an update if we do it right
[14:05] <mac_v> kwwii: cool.. so you can just branch the main humanity and i dont have to anything right?
[14:05] <kwwii> mac_v: right
[14:05] <mac_v> great :)
[14:05] <kwwii> ;)
[14:05] <almagest_divine> some people talk divinity
[14:06] <mac_v> almagest_divine: whom did you ask actually? the artwork team? BTW , what was the actual intent of the question? just to know more about the company or gathering trivia for... ?
[14:07] <almagest_divine> well its a long story. we were discussing something and this question arised
[14:07] <almagest_divine> and their answer was nobody owns us and we are free, and stuff
[14:07] <almagest_divine> then i asked : who is redhat then?
[14:08] <almagest_divine> they said redhat is just a minor sponsor nothing else
[14:08] <kwwii> well, just because redhat backs them doesn't mean anything special, really...they do get to do what they want a lot
[14:09] <kwwii> I wouldn't make a big deal out of redhat "owning" fedora
[14:09] <kwwii> Novell owns OpenSuse
[14:10] <almagest_divine> well, tellme one thing. if you form a company and pay for its finances and own the right to everything and in the board of directors you have 5 out of 9 plus the chairman is yours who can turn down any deal or idea in fedora
[14:10] <kwwii> if you want to be really free of all of that, install debian
[14:10] <almagest_divine> then according to you who is the owner of your company?
[14:11] <kwwii> oh, they do own them. I'm not saying anything about that
[14:11] <kwwii> they do not take part in every decision though
[14:11] <kwwii> I mean, it is based on redhat code, so redhat is an upstream in that sense
[14:11] <almagest_divine> they wont have enough time to look at each and every matter
[14:12] <almagest_divine> its a big company
[14:12] <almagest_divine> just wants money
[14:12] <kwwii> I think that if you look closely enough, everybody wants something out of this ;)
[14:12]  * mac_v wonders why this topic is being discussed here ;p
[14:12] <kwwii> one way or another
[14:12] <kwwii> no doubt
[14:12] <almagest_divine> sorry for that
[14:12] <kwwii> I just like to make pretty pictures :p
[14:13] <almagest_divine> i like to edit audio, video and images
[14:14] <almagest_divine> well somebody that is drinking coffee right now asked me about the question
[14:15] <almagest_divine> i really like mark shuttleworth. a good entrepreneur
[14:16] <almagest_divine> hey why do people say not to install karmic now?
[14:16] <mac_v> almagest_divine: who says that ?
[14:17]  * mac_v karmic works better for me ;)
[14:17] <almagest_divine> some of my friends. that it has a lot of bugs
[14:17] <mac_v> almagest_divine: nah... all distros have bugs ... and all versions have bugs...
[14:18] <almagest_divine> mac_v: are you the channel admin?
[14:18] <mac_v> almagest_divine: nope
[14:18] <almagest_divine> who is it then?
[14:19] <almagest_divine> i see people are good here.
[14:19] <almagest_divine> i dont know about the ones who are silent, but the ones who are talking are fine
[14:20] <mac_v> almagest_divine: oh no ,we aernt ;p we havent warmed up yet ;)
[14:20] <almagest_divine> mac_v: tell me before you warm up;)
[14:22] <almagest_divine> when you are about to warm up, tell me so that i can call duffy here ;)
[14:27] <almagest_divine> see you again:) bye
[14:29] <kwwii> boah
[14:40] <thorwil> somehow i have issues with being included in "good people" or some such
[14:40] <thorwil> maybe it dates back to when some girls called me "nice" and it seemed to mean not-a-potential-mate
[14:52] <kwwii> nice is probably better than "good friend"
[15:01] <thorwil> protected ubuntu trade dress? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/ubuntu-trade-dress-derivatives/


[00:36] <mdeslaur> fyi: http://blino.org/blog/mandriva/poulsbo-xserver1.7.html
[02:26] <ripps> why does it take forever for the gtk file dialog to do anything when I select a folder with a lot of images. It freezes for like a full minute before it allows me to bush a button.
[02:28] <RAOF> The simple, facetious answer would be “because GTK is doing something slow”.
[02:28] <RAOF> ripps: However, we can do better than that.  Let's narrow it down: what X driver?
[02:28] <ripps> RAOF: r300 ati KMS
[02:30] <RAOF> Good, so we're in the “should have decent acceleration” zone.
[02:31] <RAOF> It also suggests that maybe it's not an X problem, but let's see if we can pinpoint it.
[02:33] <RAOF> Is there any obvious system load when that's happening?  Disc access?
[02:33] <RAOF> Is GTK trying to do something stupid, like create thumbnails for everything?
[02:33] <ripps> It is an external ntfs harddrive, so I suppose that might have something to do with it, but this problem seems to come a go. Just a few weeks ago, it was loading at a decent pace, but the last couple days, it's been taking almost a full minute. The only program that seems to be having load is the program that called the dialog (in this case, usually google-chrome)
[02:34] <ripps> It spikes pretty high too, I've caught chrome at about 86% during one of these loads
[02:35] <RAOF> If you copy that directory to a more native filesystem, does it load quickly?
[02:36] <ripps> RAOF: I don't have enough space on a native filesystem right now (hence the reason I use a external harddrive) I could do some cleaning and see if I can.
[02:36] <RAOF> Keep that up your sleeve; it might be useful.
[02:37] <RAOF> So, does this happen all the time?  If you now try to open the same directory again, is it as slow again?
[02:37] <ripps> I don't want to convert the harddrive to a linux native filesystem because I tend to transfer files between it and a windows pc usually.
[02:38] <ripps> RAOF: loading the directory in Nautilus doesn't have this kind of slowdown, only with gtk file dialogs
[02:39] <ripps> I have a lot of images and cbz comic archives mixed together in the folder
[02:43] <ripps> Hmmm... at-spi-registry jumped up to 15-19% while it was loading the directory... think that might have something to do with it?
[02:43] <ripps> RAOF: ^
[02:43] <RAOF> That seems odd.
[02:44] <RAOF> That's the accessability framework…
[02:46] <ripps> Hmm.. now that I think about it. I started playing around with secondary dwell clicks a few weeks ago. I turned it off because it wasn't working very well, but I might have never turned accessibility service off.
[02:46] <RAOF> Give that a whirl, perhaps?
[02:49] <ripps> well, I killed at-spi-registryd, but I still see slow dialog, this time Xorg was the one jumping up to 15-18% instead of at-spi
[02:50] <ilmari> anything revealing in xrestop?
[02:51] <RAOF> oprofile might be a winner; it would be interesting to see what's actually taking time.
[02:52] <RAOF> Also, to eliminate the driver it might be nice to try again with the vesa driver.  If that showed the same behaviour it would strongly suggest a bug somewhere higher in the stack.
[02:52] <ripps> How do I force X to load vesa?
[02:54] <RAOF> Add an xorg.conf with Driver "vesa" in there.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting has an example.
[03:00] <ripps> How do I use oprofile?
[03:03] <RAOF> http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/docs/ has a cheat-sheet
[03:04] <RAOF> I haven't used oprofile myself, though, so I'm not sure how easy that is in practice.
[03:04] <RAOF> opreport --demangle=smart --symbols `which lyx` from the examples page is probably the output we're looking for.
[03:37] <bjsnider> RAOF, what hardware does the netbook you're testing have?
[03:38] <RAOF> bjsnider: An intel something-or-other and a GeForce 9300M
[03:38] <bjsnider> cool, so it's dual gpus?
[03:43] <RAOF> Yes, but hidden behind a crazy bios switch.
[03:43] <RAOF> One of them is always hidden.
[03:44] <bjsnider> well, i set up a ppa with vaapi with mplayer and vlc. depending on which intel generation, hardware accel for hd video may work for both gpus
[03:44] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/cutting-edge-multimedia
[03:44] <bjsnider> i'd say for it to work well the intel gpu has to be at least a gma 4500
[03:52] <Sarvatt> it needs seperate libva kernel and libdrm updates as well to even be worth bothering with on intel
[03:53] <Sarvatt> none of its upstream yet last i checked a few days ago
[03:54] <RAOF> Yeah; those patches exposing the fancy h264 hardware decode ringbuffer to libdrm don't seem to have landed yet.
[03:55] <bjsnider> strange that the intel libva driver builds. i'd have thought there'd be undefined symbol errors and so forth
[04:05] <RAOF> Ok.  Time for some lunch.
[09:04] <Ng> bryceh: aha, I'll try that tonight, thanks :)
[12:37] <mvo> hi, what is the best way to debug something like bug #570634
[12:37] <mvo> apport seems to not pick it up, should it?
[12:43] <jcristau> you say "nothing unusual in the X log" and then attach an X log which shows a segv :)
[12:44] <mvo> jcristau: that was a bit of a mistake …
[12:44] <jcristau> compiz with cirrus, though?
[12:44] <mvo> yes
[12:44] <mvo> well, kvm
[12:44] <jcristau> that's asking for trouble :)
[12:45] <mvo> heh :)
[12:45] <mvo> I noticed!
[12:45] <jcristau> then again, (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[12:45] <jcristau> means compiz can't work
[12:45] <mvo> yeah, it should detect it and fallback, and sometimes it does
[12:46] <mvo> but not always it seems
[12:46] <jcristau> maybe it tries, but X crashes first :)
[12:46] <mvo> yeah
[12:47] <mvo> is there a way to retrace the crash? will it pick up debug symbols automatically?
[12:50] <jcristau> starting X with -core should get a core dump in /etc/X11
[12:51] <jcristau> seems like X crashes on the first composite call, before compiz gets a chance to check glx stuff
[12:53] <mvo> thanks, I try that (I just need to figure out where gdm calls X and how to add args)
[13:39] <tseliot> mvo: maybe try gdm_server_start_on_active_vt (added by patch 28) or gdm_server_start ?
[13:40] <seb128> mvo, start without compiz and see if running glxinfo crashes it too
[13:41] <jcristau> seb128: it's not crashing in GL stuff
[13:41] <jcristau> it's crashing in composite
[13:41] <seb128> oh ok
[13:42] <tseliot> mvo: you can add arguments as shown in that patch: server->priv->command = g_strdup (X_SERVER " -nr -verbose")
[13:42] <jcristau> tseliot: should be possible to do that from the gdm config, though, hopefully
[13:42] <jcristau> it is with gdm 2.20 anyway..
[13:42] <seb128> I've looked a bit for this and it doesn't seem to be in the config with the new gdm no
[13:43] <jcristau> sigh
[13:43] <tseliot> :-/
[13:43] <jcristau> no end of brokenness in this new gdm it seems
[13:44] <jcristau> other option would be to start X without compiz, ssh in, attach gdb, and then start compiz
[13:44] <mvo> tseliot: right, that is a bit heavy weight
[13:45]  * tseliot nods
[13:45] <mvo> glxinfo works fine
[13:45] <mvo> but I'm sure its some sort of race as I sometimes can login
[13:45] <mvo> and sometimes can't
[14:15] <Cobalt> Is there any benefit to adding the Xorg Edgers repository (for Intel chipsets) in Lucid?
[14:55] <JanC> Cobalt: do you have problems with the default drivers?
[14:56] <Cobalt> I haven't upgraded yet, I was just wondering what people's experience of it has been. Will be doing so towards release time.
[15:44] <JanC> Cobalt: I think xorg edgers might be useful on lucid for people with an intel i8xx IGP
[15:44] <JanC> but I haven't followed all the latest stuff about that
[15:51] <__mikem> Sarvatt: may I ask when I can expect xorg-edgers to be available?
[17:13] <Sarvatt> __mikem: available? if you mean vmware support in there I already told you that i probably wont get to it for a  month or two
[17:14] <__mikem> Sarvatt: oh okay. Sorry, I forgot that you gave me a time frame
[17:16] <Sarvatt> i told you how to do it yourself too :)
[18:08] <Sarvatt> mvo: hmm so kvm's cirrus device no longer has a 1234 pci id? we have a patch default cirrus to vesa but you have an actual cirrus pci id there
[18:09] <mvo> Sarvatt: oh, that is interessting
[18:09] <Sarvatt> defaulting qemu's cirrus pci id to vesa I mean because it had problems with the cirrus driver
[18:10] <Sarvatt> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/xserver/xorg-server.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/184_virtual_devices_autodetect.patch;h=a236e2210ba8c71324f178e6e344c6954befc26e;hb=refs/heads/ubuntu-lucid
[18:13] <Sarvatt> but looking at that i dont see how it ever worked since 1234 pci id would never have been matched and it would have been defaulted to vesa anyway, need to look into that some more
[18:45] <Sarvatt> darnit, don't have any systems handy with hardware virtualization support to mess with it at the moment and it looks to be significantly different in the non KVM case, asking for a full backtrace with archive versions of xserver are still screwed up since xserver dbg and dbgsym packages are still screwed up
[18:55] <Sarvatt> apport definitely isn't working with xserver segfaults though, its not just this one machine i'm on
[19:17] <bryceh> fairly sure it's turned off by default at this point
[19:17] <bryceh> Sarvatt, or had you explicitly enabled it?
[19:18] <Sarvatt> yeah I enabled it and its not blacklisted
[19:18] <bryceh> mm, then could be a bug somewhere
[19:18] <bryceh> are other apport crash hooks working?
[19:18] <Sarvatt> it hasn't worked since the fixes to have it not crash the server in other situations here, and i haven't seen an apport xserver bug since then either
[19:19] <Sarvatt> yeah other ones are working fine
[19:20] <bryceh> hrm, sounds like a bug in the x apport script maybe then
[19:23] <Cobalt> JanC: Fair enough, I'll see what the deal is after I install.
[19:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, sounds a lot like a bug in my commit 1643fb38 but I don't see an obvious error
[19:31] <bryceh> Sarvatt, would be interesting if commenting out lines 76-83 would make it functional again
[19:38] <Sarvatt> will do, need to switch back to a broken xserver that i can crash easily too :)
[19:44] <Sarvatt> it hasn't been working for me since january though, but its possible I'm remembering wrong or didn't dig into it any deeper in that time frame
[19:44] <bryceh> well, I know it at least worked up until the last change (mar 8th) since that change was prompted by apport reports ending up in the wrong place
[19:45] <bryceh> I admit I don't recall seeing many reports subsequent to that, but that's also about when we stopped the -intel freeze capture tool, which quelled a lot of the reports
[19:47] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/510997 -- thats the last apport bug i see reported regarding a segfault using free drivers
[19:48] <Sarvatt> assert reports seem to still be working
[19:49] <Sarvatt> but there are lots of bugs with server segfaults in the logs after
[19:49] <bryceh> hrm
[19:50] <bryceh> there were several changes on jan 25th
[19:51] <bryceh> and then a bunch in feb
[19:54] <Sarvatt> that bug was filed against karmic too throwing another wrench in it, bah
[19:54] <bryceh> bug #515135 is newer - from 1-31
[19:55] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ok thats interesting because xserver-xorg-core 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-1ubuntu9
[19:56] <Sarvatt> xorg-server (2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-1ubuntu9) lucid; urgency=low
[19:56] <Sarvatt>   * Fully disable 100_rethrow_signals.patch as it seems to still cause
[19:56] <Sarvatt>     crashes.  Goodbye apport.
[19:56] <bryceh> seems the apport hook still works for proprietary drivers though - lp #566435 from 4/18
[20:01] <bryceh> this is a sad state of affairs to be troubleshooting why we're not *more* bug reports than we already are ;-)
[20:03] <Sarvatt> well its wasting a heck of a lot of time digging through peoples logs and vague descriptions to find the info and we're losing automatic duping :)
[20:03] <bryceh> bugs that have vbox installed seem to be getting through ok - lp #559288
[20:03] <Sarvatt> downgrading to xserver 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu5 now to play with the apport script and see if i can get it going
[20:05] <bryceh> mm, the vbox test bails out before the nvidia bits anyway so that doesn't tell much
[20:06] <bryceh> ooh I have an idea
[20:06] <Sarvatt> shoot me any ideas you have because i have an easily testable setup going now :)
[20:06] <bryceh> wait maybe not
[20:07] <bryceh> well there is a stanza towards the end that prompts the user before attaching their gdm files
[20:07] <bryceh> since it's an interactive bit, I thought maybe it fails when handling crashes
[20:07] <bryceh> however that wouldn't explain why it's working for proprietary drivers
[20:07] <bryceh> but might try commenting that out and see if it makes any difference
[20:09] <bryceh> the one thing I see that might be squirrelly with open vs. proprietary is the stuff for attaching /var/lib/dkms/ bits around line 92
[20:10] <bryceh> Sarvatt, do you have a /var/lib/dkms directory?  If so, that bit of code could be executing but maybe the glob is breaking
[20:11] <bryceh> kind of crazy how many X crashes are really "broken vbox" bugs
[20:11] <Sarvatt> commented all of that stuff out, lets see
[20:12] <Sarvatt> no /var/lib/dkms here
[20:13] <bryceh> lp #560633 is a recent one with no proprietary drivers or vbox
[20:16] <Sarvatt> oh bah 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu5 had the fix for clutter crashing in it, it was 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu1 i needed
[20:30] <Sarvatt> nothing in /var/crash/, apport is running and i even tried using the karmic source_xorg.py
[20:35]  * Sarvatt just goes the easy route and puts a patched gdm to launch x with -core in a PPA for now
[20:38] <Sarvatt> my crashes all end at 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e937b] but the ones that are working go farther past that? #2  0x00007f6ec8cf934e in backtrace () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1  0x00007f6ec7f3966e in _Unwind_Backtrace () from /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
[20:52] <Sarvatt> it sure would be nice if mesa could remove ~/.drirc on upgrade or downgrade
[20:53] <Sarvatt> i always forget to reset all of the settings when i change mesa versions, right now it leaves texture tiling enabled on intel when i downgrade back to the lucid version where its horribly buggy
[20:54] <Sarvatt> think i'll put a note about that on xorg-edgers, only a problem if someone installed driconf anyway
[20:59] <Sarvatt> bryceh: noticed something odd in the bug you linked there - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43774793/GdmLog2.txt
[21:00] <Sarvatt> it didn't print the backtrace info in the log and it successfully dumped a core
[21:05] <bryceh> do you think people commonly use driconf?  If so we could add it to the apport hook :-)
[21:07] <bryceh> yeah I haven't looked at enough of the new gdm logs to know if that's normal or not
[21:08] <Sarvatt> nah i'm sure it's by far the minority but if you've ever installed it and changed the settings all of the settings stick around permenantly until you remove ~/.drirc
[21:11] <Sarvatt> if i install mesa 7.9 and then driconf and change a setting, it'll store all of the settings from 7.9 and those will get loaded for everything mesa in all other versions even if the default values are different
[21:12] <Sarvatt> going from 7.9 to 7.7 is bad that way because intel will use texture tiling that's really screwed up in 7.7 and disabled by default there
[21:16] <Sarvatt> bryceh: all of the reports where apport is working and catching segfaults are the same - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43553278/GdmLog2.txt
[21:16] <Sarvatt> and here's what it looks like not working http://pastebin.com/DJtj6nhL
[21:17] <Sarvatt> (that's /var/log/gdm/:0.log.1 after a crash)
[21:18] <Sarvatt> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/xserver/xorg-server.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/168_glibc_trace_to_stderr.patch;h=ed218bb3673836c143afac8c8842255b818bd90c;hb=refs/heads/ubuntu insufficient for all cases?
[21:19] <bryceh> well, the presence of a .driconf could be a clue on bugs; I'll put on my todo list to add it to apport later on
[21:21] <bryceh> could be
[21:21] <bryceh> Sarvatt, there has always been some cases where xserver crashes don't get caught by apport, and we never did figure out why
[21:22] <bryceh> however it seems like we're getting far fewer than usual
[21:23] <bryceh> mm, we disabled 100_rethrow_signals.patch on Jan 18th
[21:24] <bryceh> so that explains why it "seemed" that crashes stopped being captured at that point
[21:24] <bryceh> it was re-enabled on Feb 3rd
[21:25] <bryceh>   * 100_rethrow_signals.patch: Fix SigAbortServer to cleanly exit(1) on a
[21:25] <bryceh>     non-signal crash, as the original upstream code does. Not exiting leads to
[21:25] <bryceh>     continuing back into the code which threw the error, which eventually
[21:25] <bryceh>     leads to writing into the already closed log file and other operations
[21:25] <bryceh>     which cause segfaults.
[21:25] <bryceh>   * Re-enable 100_rethrow_signals.patch.  Hello apport.
[21:25] <bryceh>  -- Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:29:53 -0800
[21:25] <Sarvatt> the log stops at the backtrace on every bug i can find so far where it's working, looks like the backtrace info is supposed to go to STDERR for apport to catch it and it's being printed to the log in the cases where its not working
[21:27] <bryceh> weird
[21:27] <bryceh> well, I can imagine that is what is causing the problem
[21:28] <bryceh> but why would it be that this seems to be working for the proprietary drivers?
[21:31] <Sarvatt> trying to find an apport bug with a 32 bit core dump i can play with to look into it more
[21:31] <bryceh> we should bring pitti into this at some point too
[21:39] <Sarvatt> seems to be one specific abort path that works and the others dont or something, the ones that are working are using proprietary drivers or having input related crashes
[21:45] <Sarvatt> darn only core dump i can find is x86_64 and i use 32 bit on everything but one machine that i dont have access to at the moment
[22:08] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/563759 -- floating point exception getting reported as a SIGSEGV?
[22:22] <Sarvatt> yeah looking through the bugs it really was limited to proprietary drivers/input crashes even in karmic :(
[22:22] <jcristau> obviously that's because the free video drivers aren't buggy
[22:59] <Sarvatt> seems like it would be cleaner and work in more situations if apport just parsed the reason it died whenever it dies with a SIGABRT, but i have no idea how you'd get a core dump that way without starting with -core
[23:04] <lapion> has anyone with that uses i915 kms with an i855 or older chipset tried the new <IP_ADDRESS> drm drivers?
[23:05] <lapion> what was the ppa for experimental 2.6 drm kernels again ?
[23:07] <Sarvatt> lapion: just curious, have you ever tried using KMS and forcing the X driver to fbdev to see if it had problems?
[23:08] <lapion> You mean like booting with the regular kernel into single user mode and then staring up failsafex ?
[23:09] <lapion> I mean booting to single usermode with kms, and then starting kms ? I get a black screen..
[23:09] <lapion> 2nd kms=failsafemode
[23:11] <lapion> failsafe mode/non kms mode gives me no dual screen..
[23:11] <lapion> that is failsafe mode without kms
[23:12] <lapion> Sarvatt, booting with kms and fbdev gives me black screen
[23:12] <Sarvatt> ah yeah fbdev wouldn't give you dual screen anyway
[23:13] <Sarvatt> lapion: how about intel 2.8.0? have you tried that out?
[23:13] <Sarvatt> i backported all of the stuff to make it work with xserver 1.7 in the x-retro PPA
[23:14] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-retro
[23:16] <bryceh> ah thanks for fixing that up Sarvatt
[23:17] <lapion> I just read someting in the http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:17] <Sarvatt> needed 8 or 9 commits backported, EXA was dropped before 2.8.0 though so I dropped that part of the changelog that you put in
[23:18] <lapion> You see I was getting hangcheck errors without the zserver freezing..
[23:19] <Sarvatt> what did you read interesting there?
[23:26] <lapion>     Commit:     bc9025bdc4e2b591734cca17697093845007b63d
[23:27] <lapion> hmm I think I misinterpreted this one.. they are talking about locks not deadlocks
[23:28] <lapion> hmm as of latest update my pentium 4 clock cannot be set anymore
[23:29] <ilmari> speaking of locks/deadlocks... sysrq-d (show all locks that are held) isn't doing anything (just outputs the sysrq help message), even though CONFIG_LOCKDEP_SUPPORT=y
[23:29]  * ilmari would like to be able to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/568138 further the next time it happens
[23:29] <lapion> btw when selecting resume in the Recovery Menu, doesn't start the Xserver under lucid
[23:31] <ilmari> the gdm upstart job it's still checking /proc/cmdline and refusing to start if the machine was initally booted in single user mode
[23:31] <ilmari> s/it's/is/
[23:32] <lapion> well yeah sudo start gdm resolved in pretty quickly
[23:35] <lapion> btw btw ilmari alt-ssyrq-d does that freeze up the system ?
[23:36] <ilmari> lapion: I haven't tried actually hitting the keys, but echo d > /proc/sysrq-trigger just gives the help message
[23:37] <lapion> about the freezes, if the xserver freezes once, the xserver freezes up faster in successive reboots
[23:37] <ilmari> both the i915 kernel thread and X are stuck in __mutex_lock_slowpath+0xe7/0x170
[23:41] <lapion> are you talking about show blockes tasks (W) ?
[23:41] <lapion> I believe it's activated with W
[23:41] <ilmari> no, that works
[23:41] <lapion> ilmari,
[23:41] <ilmari> which is just what the softlockup watchdog already has showed
[23:41] <ilmari> 'd'     - Shows all locks that are held.
[23:41] <ilmari> (from /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/sysrq.txt.gz)
[23:43] <lapion> outdated info
[23:47] <Sarvatt> ilmari: pretty sure its because CONFIG_LOCK_STAT isn't set
[23:49] <ilmari> ah


[07:43] <theblazehen> Good luck paddatrapper !
[08:41] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: thanks!
[14:48] <superfly> paddatrapper: how did the test go?
[14:50] <Langjan> Good day all
[14:51] <Langjan> Anybody heard from kilos lately?
[14:54] <smile> a few days ago he was still alive, Langjan
[14:55] <Langjan> Good! How you keeping smile
[14:55] <smile> I'm okay, I'm writing some functionality for Translate Now :)
[14:56] <smile> How're you doing?
[14:56] <Langjan> Very well thanks
[14:56] <Langjan> Google translate?
[15:43] <paddatrapper> superfly: about to write now
[16:15] <Kilos> evening everyone
[16:21] <superfly> morning Kilos
[16:22] <superfly> (it's 9:21 here)
[16:59] <smile> good evening, Kilos
[17:00] <Kilos> hi superfly smile
[17:02] <smile> good morning superfly
[17:02] <superfly> hi smile
[17:02] <smile> Kilos: Langjan was here, he asked for you
[17:02] <smile> I said you were still alive a few days ago
[17:03] <Kilos> ty i got a mail from him, im ok just connection sucks
[17:03] <Kilos> i saw that ty
[17:03] <Kilos> hehe
[17:03] <smile> He thought that to be a good thing, you still being alive :P
[17:03] <smile> I admit he has a point there
[17:03] <Kilos> lol
[17:04] <smile> I'm wondering how to implement Google Translate Voice though.. I'm having two possibilities
[17:05] <smile> It's hard when you have too many options :P
[17:05] <smile> I could even do a hybrid :P
[17:07] <smile> Meanwhile, lightning wants to strike me hard
[17:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Langjan> Aha! Caught you - how you doing Kilos?
[18:31] <Langjan> And hi all the guys
[18:32] <Langjan> Dont worry, nothing broke...
[18:37] <superfly> hi Langjan
[18:37] <Langjan> Hello nsnzero how are you?
[18:37] <Langjan> Hi superfly you ok?
[18:37] <superfly> Langjan: kannie kla nie
[18:37] <nsnzero> good evening Langjan and good morning superfly
[18:37] <Langjan> Mooi so superfly
[18:37] <superfly> morning nsnzero :-)
[18:38] <nsnzero> i am well Langjan , how are you ?
[18:38] <superfly> Langjan: I'm working for the biggest open soure company in the world, how could things be bad? :-D
[18:38] <Langjan> all very well thks
[18:38] <nsnzero> congrats on the job superfly
[18:38] <Langjan> Good superfly, no great! Who are they?
[18:38] <superfly> Langjan: Red Hat
[18:39] <superfly> nsnzero: thanks. it's been a month now
[18:39] <Langjan> That's great, well done!
[18:39] <superfly> well, almost
[18:39] <nsnzero> sorry superfly news travels slow to me
[18:40] <Langjan> nsnzero, I'm trying to remember what you helped me with last time, all I can recall is it was sorted shortly after you retired, you put me on track
[18:41] <Langjan> thks
[18:41] <nsnzero> no problem Langjan - my memory fails me too - at this moment at least - but i am glad i was of some assistance
[18:42] <inetpro> good evening boys and girls
[18:42] <inetpro> oh and good mornings to superfly as well
[18:42] <nsnzero> good evening sir,  inetpro
[18:42] <Langjan> Hello inetpro
[18:42] <superfly> evening inetpro
[18:43] <Langjan> Now where's my pal Kilos hiding - no sheep to chase in Rustenburg
[18:43] <Kilos> here Langjan
[18:43] <Kilos> sorry was making something to eat
[18:43] <Langjan> Aha! Eavesdropping hey!
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:43] <Langjan> Apology accepted
[18:44] <Langjan> where you been young man?
[18:44] <Kilos> resting mostly
[18:44] <nsnzero> evening Kilos
[18:44] <Kilos> havent even got to the router issue yet
[18:44] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[18:44] <Langjan> ai
[18:44] <Langjan> but your health bearing up?
[18:45] <Kilos> yes im quite well ty Langjan just tired lots
[18:45] <Langjan> Good, except for the tired
[18:46] <Kilos> see what i mean about connection
[18:46] <Kilos> very frustrating
[18:46] <Langjan> So superfly what's your niche at Red Hat?
[18:47] <superfly> Langjan: I work on the Quality Engineering team for the CloudForms product. So I make sure CloudForms is up to snuff.
[18:47] <Kilos> sounds good
[18:48] <Kilos> hope you happy there superfly
[18:48] <Langjan> Must be interesting/challenging and fulfilling
[18:49] <Langjan> Lmga! Just been trying to chase a bug from the bottom of edge my screen
[18:49] <Langjan> It was the tip of the mouse cursor!
[18:50] <Langjan> Must be unity, Kilos
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <Kilos> or old age
[18:51] <Langjan> and how are your girls?
[18:51] <Langjan> who's old?
[18:52] <Kilos> they ok as well ty my friend
[18:52] <Kilos> send their regards to you and family
[18:52] <Kilos> duh
[18:52] <Langjan> Many thanks
[18:52] <Kilos> who is older than me here
[18:52]  * Kilos looks around
[18:53] <Langjan> only in years
[18:53] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:53] <Kilos> thats enough
[18:53] <Langjan> lmga!
[18:53] <Kilos> did i tell you
[18:53] <Langjan> ?
[18:53] <Langjan> tell
[18:53] <Kilos> last doc said nuclear scan show heart has made bypasses around the blocked main artery
[18:54] <Langjan> Greeeeaat! Praise the Lord and thanks for vit C
[18:54] <Kilos> yip
[18:54] <Kilos> quite weird actually
[18:55] <Langjan> That's nature at its best, when fed properly the body can heal anything
[18:55] <Langjan> Creation
[18:59] <Langjan> Back again Kilos - good
[19:00] <superfly> Kilos: for the most part, yes.
[19:00] <Langjan> but yes very frustrating when that keeps happening
[19:00] <Langjan> Very happy and fortunate with stable ADSL
[19:00] <Kilos> 3 disconnects and conects
[19:01] <Langjan> Sometimes it also slows down a lot but seldom fails altogether
[19:01] <Kilos> drives me nuts
[19:01] <Langjan> nuts good for you
[19:01] <Langjan> Lmga!
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Langjan> OK now that I have that bit of good news I will love and leave you to your more important business
[19:02] <Kilos> sleeping
[19:02] <Langjan> Well thats important
[19:02] <Kilos> ty for the visit and concern my friend
[19:03] <Langjan> sleep well
[19:03] <Kilos> ty sir and you too
[19:03] <Langjan> my pleasure and grateful for answered prayers
[19:03] <Kilos> oh yes
[19:04] <Langjan> Take good care Kilos
[19:04] <Langjan> Bye for now also to all the others
[19:04] <Kilos> will do and you too jan
[19:04] <Kilos> till we meet again
[19:04] <Langjan> Dankie my vriend
[19:04] <Kilos> keep well
[19:04] <Kilos> and safe
[19:05] <Langjan> Keep up the vit C and down with smokes
[19:05] <Langjan> thks
[19:05] <Langjan> sorry for the nag...
[19:05] <Kilos> nono 5 bottles vitc have killed bank
[19:06] <Langjan> well it was well spent
[19:06] <Kilos> hopefully
[19:06] <Langjan> dnt stop if you can
[19:06] <Kilos> ok
[19:06] <Langjan> dont
[19:06] <Langjan> Cheers Kilos
[19:06] <Kilos> but not 4 a day anymore
[19:07] <Kilos> cheers Langjan
[19:07] <Langjan> no just keep up one per day
[19:07] <Langjan> your body will tell you when you need more
[19:07] <Kilos> ya 4 a day made me smell like a lemon
[19:07] <Langjan> Good!
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <Langjan> Oh and a few cloves of garlic per day, cheap and very effective
[19:08] <Langjan> swallow them whole before bedtime
[19:08] <Kilos> i gotta watch that, drops my bp way down
[19:08] <Langjan> do you suffer low bp?
[19:09] <Kilos> no but garlic drops it down to 80/60 in three days
[19:09] <Langjan> interesting, not too much then
[19:10] <Kilos> no just a bit in salads
[19:10] <Langjan> Good, salads also good just no dressing
[19:10] <Kilos> galic crushed into lemon juice is fine
[19:11] <Kilos> tastes lekker as well
[19:11] <Langjan> Yes, lemon also very good. Lekker slaap, ek gaan tee drink en dan by ouma inkruip
[19:11] <Kilos> lekker slaap oom
[19:11] <Langjan> dankie jy ook jongman
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <Langjan> lmga!
[19:12] <Langjan> met plooie...
[21:14] <poppingtonic> http://www.deeplearningindaba.com/


[03:27] <Dr416h7h> Hey everyone
[03:39] <ImagusXXII> Hey
[03:59] <Dr416h7h> Sorry, how are you Imagus22?
[04:00] <Unit193> Dr416h7h: Imagus22 disconnected
[04:00] <Dr416h7h> no problem... how are you Unit?
[04:01] <Unit193> Fine! just added a 1G stick and a DVD drive into this oldish Xubuntu comp!
[04:01] <Dr416h7h> cool, I hope they work well for ya
[04:02] <Dr416h7h> How long have you been running Xubuntu?
[04:02] <Unit193> On this box? not long...
[04:03] <Unit193> (IIRC this is a support channel and they don't like it when we talk non-support  :/)
[04:03] <Dr416h7h> understood... well good thing is that I do have a support question.
[04:08] <Unit193> I'll do my best to answer! (there is also #xubuntu-offtopic)
[04:08] <Myron> hello
[04:08] <Myron> I have a question
[04:09] <Unit193> !ask
[04:10] <Dr416h7h> Sorry I was working on the post but accidently pasted a butch of other into... so starting over.....
[04:10] <Dr416h7h> oh... what is your question?
[04:11] <Myron> is there a way I can move my /home folders to a spare hard drive
[04:11] <Myron> right now, I have everything on 1 80gb hard drive,
[04:11] <Dr416h7h> with me... my desktop icons/background/right click the desktop do not work. I did have missing titlebars and window decorations but got those back by running 'xfwm4'.
[04:12] <Myron> however, is there a way to move just the /home files to the spare 500gb harddrive that I have ?
[04:12] <Dr416h7h> @Myron, you can save off you info and reinstall and make another partition on another drive.
[04:12] <Dr416h7h> if you do not want to reinstall you can...
[04:12] <Myron> yeah without reinstalling would be preferrable
[04:12] <Dr416h7h> login as root, move the /home folder to the spare drive, and then make a symbolic link to that folder
[04:12] <Myron> I know I can do this at the point of reinstallation,
[04:13] <Unit193> !home | Myron
[04:13] <Myron> how do I make a symbolic link ?
[04:14] <Dr416h7h> That link is very detailed... and can provide other info to some unforseen issues/questions you might have
[04:15] <Dr416h7h> for me... I simply copied my folder to another partition and then made a link and logged back in.
[04:15] <Dr416h7h> I also keep my same profile during reinstalls and as long as I have my apps installed... everything works out great
[04:19] <Dr416h7h> You can also follow this tut on symbolic links: http://www.nixtutor.com/freebsd/understanding-symbolic-links/
[04:19] <Unit193> Myron: To answer your question of symlink: ln
[04:21] <lighta> hey guys, what's wrong with this cli ? rsync -r --exclude .svn ../lof_v2 ./
[04:21] <lighta>  I don't feel any recursive here :(
[04:21]  * Unit193 doesn't use rsync, so could only say !rsync and manpage...
[04:22] <Myron> I am thinking of just reinstalling,
[04:22] <lighta> yeah I found it ok I should do ../lof_v2/ otherwise not work :( damnn ! xd
[04:22] <Myron> because the graphx drivers aren'
[04:22] <Myron> t working that well with ubuntu 9.10
[04:23] <Unit193> Myron: you going with 10.10 then release upgrade?
[04:24] <Myron> Unit193, I am thinking of just installing this Xubuntu 10.10 disc that I have, once the harddrive is backed up.
[04:24] <Myron> not sure if it will make or break my video card drivers though
[04:25] <Myron> the jockey tool that detects drivers is working
[04:25] <Myron> and says I am running the Nvidia drivers,
[04:25] <Myron> however, I think that the graphics card is not good enough to drive this monstrous 27" screen
[04:26] <Myron> 24"
[04:26] <Myron> because when I move windows around, they lag, even though the drivers are installed
[04:28] <Myron> Unit193, this is the card I have:    nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)] (rev a1)
[04:28] <Myron> crappy ?
[04:29] <Dr416h7h> Along with my question here I've gone ahead and posted on ubuntuforums.org where I've posted my ~/.xsesson-errors: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10639295#post10639295A:
[04:34] <Dr416h7h> Anyone have any ideas why the icons/background/right clicking would be missing/unable to be used? The "Allow XFCE to manage desktop" cannot be found in the XFCE Settings Manager.
[04:37] <Unit193> Dr416h7h: I was waiting for someone that knows how to answer your question to show up
[04:38] <Unit193> Myron: I think you could boot a LiveCD and use the tool to get drivers for that (to check how well they work)
[04:40] <Myron> what is direct rendering, I am looking at a tool right now to display my computer's hardware and information
[04:41] <Myron> and it says direct rendering, none
[04:41] <Myron> sorry, Direct Rendering: NO
[04:41] <Myron> could that be why the windows are laggy when I move them around ect.. ?
[04:42] <Unit193> What program?
[04:42] <Myron> hardinfo
[04:43] <Myron> system profilers and benchmark tool
[04:43] <Myron> sudo apt-get install hardinfo
[04:43] <Myron> its in the OpenGL section..
[04:46] <Unit193> Same for me
[04:47] <Unit193> Myron: System > Additional Drivers
[04:47] <Myron> Unit193, yeah, system->additional drivers works
[04:48] <Myron> I installed the drivers through that program
[04:48] <Myron> its called gtkjockey, infact.
[04:48] <Myron> however,
[04:48] <Myron> I think its the graphics card itself,
[04:48] <Myron> because I am trying to drive a 1920 x 1200 24" display,
[04:48] <Unit193> On 9.*?
[04:48] <Myron> yes
[04:48] <Myron> 9.10
[04:49] <Myron> it works like 80% I would say,
[04:49] <Myron> I see a slight flicker once in a while
[04:49] <Myron> and when I move windows around they seem to lag
[04:49] <Myron> and, another example is this xchat program I am using
[04:50] <Myron> I have the background for this program set to transparent, so the wallpaper on the desktop is showing through
[04:50] <Myron> when I move the xchat window around, the transparent area lags
[04:50] <Myron> maybe I should install compiz fusion ?
[04:52] <Myron> I really don';t think that will fix anything though
[04:53] <Myron> its probablly just this crappy gfx card
[04:53] <Myron> Unit193, this is the card I have:    nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200SE TurboCache (TM)] (rev a1)
[04:54] <Myron> Unit193, so what do you think ?
[04:54] <Myron> new card, or install ubuntu 10.10 ?
[04:55] <Unit193> LiveCD 10.10
[04:56] <Myron> try it out..
[04:56]  * Unit193 uses a built-in Optiplex GX 260 card
[04:56] <Myron> yeah I will do
[05:18] <Unit193> Myron: Tell me how it goes?
[05:23] <Unit193> popman: Are you in Ohio?
[05:23] <popman> yes I am
[05:23] <popman> why do you ask?
[05:24] <Unit193> Did you know Ubuntu has an Ohio LoCo?
[05:24] <popman> nope
[05:24] <popman> what is that?
[05:24] <Unit193> !loco
[05:25] <popman> o wow
[05:25] <popman> lol
[05:42] <Myron> Unit193, hey
[05:42] <Myron> just waiting for 15000 files to copy off the 500gb HD
[05:42] <Myron> so I can install Xubuntu 10.10 to it
[05:42] <Myron> but transfering from IDE to Sata is a SLOOOOOW process
[06:18] <Netrix> What is the best way to remove Linux images that I have but do not show up in the Synaptic Package Manager?
[06:19] <Unit193> Does "sudo apt-get autoremove" help? (doesn't always work for me :/ )
[06:20] <Netrix> Nope
[06:24] <Netrix> For instance, it says I have 2.6.35-25-generic, but when I try to boot it, there are all sorts of things that cannot be found and it forces me to use the low-res graphics driver.
[06:25] <Netrix> It can't find /fb0 and several other things. It seems like a messed up image so I just want to remove it.
[06:25] <Unit193> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/proper-way-to-remove-old-linux-kernels/ <--- helps
[06:26] <Netrix> An idea that I have is to install it through the package manager and see if it makes it work, if not, uninstall it and hope it removes the junk.
[06:26] <Unit193> sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic
[06:27] <Unit193> ^^ Be VERY careful when you mess with kernel images!
[06:27] <Netrix> Well, it is actually a newer version, but I guess it should still apply.
[06:28] <Netrix> It says it is not installed.
[06:29] <Netrix> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-25-generic and /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-25-generic are present though...  I have been wondering why I couldn't copy files my xubuntu to another partition D: since I have double booting. Is there a way around this? I have used catfish but it wouldn't fetch files from there. Previously it did but now it just won't open to it.
[06:36] <Netrix> I checked the link. It does not show the version I am trying to remove and when I try to remove it anyway, it says it is not installed.
[06:36] <Netrix> What filesystem is the other partition?
[06:36] <Unit193> Netrix: dpkg --list 'linux-image*'
[06:37] <Netrix> I did that.
[06:37] <Netrix> I could show you the output if you want.
[06:37] <Unit193> !pastebin
[06:39] <Netrix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589550/
[06:40] <Unit193> You don't want to uninstall that, it's your only one!
[06:41] <Unit193> Can you "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[06:42] <Netrix> The one listed, yes. That is not 2.6.35-25-generic, which has files in /boot.
[06:42] <Netrix> I just did it. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[06:43] <gardenia> Good day. I have a file in xubuntu's My Documents which I would like to cut and paste into windows drive D: In ubuntu it's easy. All I have to do is cut and paste but in xubuntu, can't this be done?
[06:43] <Unit193> Netrix: Dang... I would *guess*(!) you could just remove them if it's not installed...
[06:44] <Netrix> Normally I probably would have just done that, except I was trying to do it the 'right' way.
[06:46] <Netrix> I don't know what causes Linux to explode and such, but it should be safe since they aren't used by the kernel that I am using right now.
[06:46] <Unit193> Netrix: I seem to be the only idiot on right now... but I would agree
[06:46] <Unit193> gardenia: Does gigolo (system > gigolo) find it? (I don't remember if gigolo does local HDDs
[06:48] <Netrix> gardenia, I just tried it with Thudar and it worked fine.
[06:48] <Unit193> Netrix: Thanks for reminding me to look that up! (just freed 300+ MB on my low spec system)
[06:49] <Netrix> Thanks for the help.
[06:49] <Unit193> Sorry I couldn't help anymore!
[06:50] <Netrix> One last question: Are the two files in /boot the only files for Linux images?
[06:51] <Netrix> Well, I mean the real data of the kernels.
[06:51] <Unit193> initrd and vmlinuz?
[06:52] <Netrix> Yeah. They seem to be the biggest.
[06:52] <Netrix> I am just curious because I am a programmer, but fairly new to how Linux does stuff.
[06:52] <Unit193> I think it's just what's in /boot
[06:54] <Netrix> Oh. I see now that the size reported for the current image is 128 MB, so that answers my question.
[07:23] <gardenia> Thanks netrix
[07:24] <Unit193> How did you get it?
[07:27] <gardenia> is it really thudar?
[07:28] <Unit193> thunar
[07:31] <gardenia> I can not see my drive d using thunar. Any other app that might do that?
[07:32] <Unit193> It won't say "drive D:"
[07:33] <Unit193> Can you give me a pastebin of "mount"?
[07:34] <Unit193> In terminal type "mount -l"
[07:37] <gardenia> can i paste it here?
[07:37] <Unit193> pastebin please
[07:37] <gardenia> /dev/sdb1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[07:37] <gardenia> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[07:37] <gardenia> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[07:37] <gardenia> none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[07:38] <gardenia> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:38] <gardenia> none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[07:38] <gardenia> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:44] <Unit193> gardenia: Type "sudo fdisk -l" then put that into pastebin at paste.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <gardenia> ok.
[07:49] <gardenia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589559/            sorry i dont know how to use pastebin a while ago. thanks for the info
[07:51] <Unit193> This should do it: sudo mkdir /media/win && sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/win
[07:52] <gardenia> thanks unit193.
[07:52] <Unit193> You may want to come back later when smarter people are here and can tell you the best way to do it!
[07:53] <Unit193> No problem!@
[07:53] <gardenia> you're a life saver unit193. It works!
[07:55] <Unit193> Sorry it took so long :)
[08:09] <Sjors> Hi
[08:09] <Sjors> There's this server here, which is supposed to play music and display a graphical screen with what music is playing at the moment
[08:09] <Sjors> for some reason, someone put Xubuntu on that machine, even though it doesn't normally contain any other GUI other than X and the GUI
[08:10] <Sjors> so I tried configuring it to start the GUI automatically (as the 'marietjed' user, not root)
[08:10] <Sjors> however, even if I disable gdm to start at boot, an X window server comes up with the login screen, in gdm
[08:11] <gardenia> thanks
[08:11] <Sjors> first question: does any of you know why that is, and how I can disable that login window?
[08:12] <Sjors> currently I have fixed it with a workaround, which involves killing gdm 10 seconds after boot
[08:14] <Sjors> but then the splash screen stays around, for some weird reason
[08:14] <Unit193> I don't know if you can just remove gdm or not...
[08:15] <Sjors> I think if I remove gdm, most of gnome will be removed, and I need gnome stuff for the 'normal' graphical display, even if it's only mouse cursors
[08:16] <Unit193> You could use an auto login
[08:20] <Unit193> I would wait for tomorrow when this channel has more buzz too...
[08:48] <ochosi> Sjors: if you remove gdm you will only lose a metapackage (xubuntu-desktop) and the xubuntu-gdm-theme package and the xfswitch-plugin
[08:48] <ochosi> Sjors: you can always start your session with "startx" from tty
[08:49] <Sjors> ochosi: I should try that, thanks :)
[08:50] <ochosi> np
[11:29] <knome> sigue, please do something about your connection, or i'll have to banforward you again
[12:26] <fixxxermet> Hey everyone.  I have a dual-monitor setup (not cloned).  I want to rotate the left monitor only 90 degrees.  Tips?
[12:34] <Sysi> arandr if you don't have propietary driver
[12:36] <fixxxermet> Sysi: That works, but it turns both monitors 90
[12:37] <Sysi> hum, you maybe need to use xrandr directly then
[13:10] <ThinkT510> is xubuntu 10.04 LTS or does LTS only apply to ubuntu (gnome) release?
[13:10] <Sysi> it is LTS
[13:10] <ThinkT510> awesome, thanks
[13:10] <Sysi> same repositories for packages
[13:37] <Aquina> When *exactly* comes the day on which hardy gets abandonned?
[13:38] <Sysi> !8.04
[13:38] <Sysi> hrm
[13:43] <Aquina> Yeah thanks, but Canonical's official site states "April 2011". Do you know on which day, Sysi?
[13:48] <knome> Aquina, i suppose it's near the end
[13:48] <knome> Aquina, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[13:49] <knome> oh right
[13:49] <knome> that
[13:49] <knome> i suppose that's also near the end
[13:50] <knome> Aquina, looking from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, they all are EOL mid- or end-month
[14:10] <Aquina> So I can assume the package upgrades distribution for 8.04 HH will come to a halt on Apr., 28 2011?
[14:11] <knome> Aquina, don't count on it, but yes, during this month.
[14:11] <Aquina> (Which is also the day when 11.04 NN will be released)
[14:11] <Aquina> ok, thx
[14:11] <knome> i suppose it depends if there is *very* important fixes in the end-month
[14:11] <knome> if there is, i'm sure canonical wants to push them in
[14:12] <knome> if not, then the last updates might be earlier
[14:12] <Aquina> We run some of these systems. We have everythin in place for upgrades already. :-)
[14:13] <knome> mm-hmm
[15:43] <likemindead> Halp? This morning's updates borked my Natty install. It loads to the login screen & freezes up. D:
[15:44] <ochosi> good to know, then i'll wait with installing updates in my natty :)
[15:45] <ochosi> no seriously, kernel freeze or what?
[15:45] <knome> lol
[15:45] <likemindead> Not sure. It even froze up when I tried to boot into recovery mode. :-\
[15:45] <likemindead> That's especially bad, isn't it?
[15:46] <ochosi> was it recovery mode with xserver or without?
[15:46] <likemindead> I held shift during boot, chose the recovery mode option in the GRUB menu, & it froze up a few seconds later.
[15:46] <likemindead> Didn't see any errors or anything.
[15:47] <ochosi> that's a drag
[15:47] <ochosi> so when you boot normally you can't switch to any other tty anymore after gdm freezes?
[15:47] <likemindead> Right. Tried to do that too. To no avail. :(
[15:48] <ochosi> hm, yeah, that sounds pretty borked then
[15:48] <ochosi> not sure there's much you can do, apart from booting a live-system (or another os, if you have one installed) and chroot from there and install updates/upgrades with the hope that they fix the issue
[15:49] <likemindead> How do I go about that?
[15:49] <ochosi> actually i think live-system would be a bit safer for chroot-ing
[15:49] <likemindead> Do tell?
[15:49] <ochosi> well, i could describe it here, but i assume it's better you get a good tutorial
[15:50] <ochosi> it's been some time that i had to do that
[15:50] <likemindead> Okay. I'll look it up.
[15:50] <ochosi> it's just a few basic commands though
[15:50] <ochosi> nothing yuo won't manage
[16:13] <likemindead> http://paste.ubuntu.com/589730/
[16:13] <likemindead> Hmm...
[16:14] <ochosi> likemindead: mount works differently
[16:15] <ochosi> likemindead: sudo mount /dev/sda2 $mountpoint
[16:15] <ochosi> likemindead: where $mountpoint is e.g. /mnt/sda2 (be sure to "sudo mkdir /mnt/sda2" beforehands)
[23:59] <aaronth> howdy


[05:27] <mapps> hi all
[07:17] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> afternoon mammals
[12:41] <penguin42> hmmm
[21:59] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:00] <diddledan> allo
[22:07] <popey> yo
[22:10] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lyy7y0QOK-0
[22:11] <diddledan> looks fun
[22:11] <diddledan> then there's "ex machina" also about to be released to the cinema - similarly about ai
[22:16] <mapp> hi all
[22:16] <mapp> just watched a decent enough film - time apse
[22:17] <mapp> teenage mutant heros up next
[22:17] <mapp> :D
[22:17] <diddledan> http://gizmodo.com/google-translate-is-getting-upgraded-to-take-on-skype-1678853763
[22:21] <mapp> hm will read after could be interesting
[22:21] <mapp> googe translate is super neat the audui -> text is cool
[22:22] <mapp> tried it with someone speaking czech and it worked


[05:12] <DalekSec> Looks like ardour4 is about to make it.
[07:47] <DalekSec> ardour3 4.0~dfsg1-1 uploaded by Jaromír Mikeš
[09:38] <zequence> Nice
[18:15] <zequence> Wily Werewolf is now open for development
[20:31] <holstein> werewolf?
[20:37] <elfy> yep
[20:38] <OvenWerks> holstein: I don' know, who's wolf?