[00:00] <bsnider> no, no. if it worked in -6 but not -7 it's a regression they'll have to fix. something that was changed in the -7 update
[00:00] <BWM> YAY
[00:00] <BWM> wine works!
[00:00] <BWM> I can play games again! XD
[00:00] <Mark_Milliman> I'm going to start using the -6 kernel until I see a new kernel or ALSA update
[00:01] <bsnider> Mark_Milliman, what's the pciid of your sound chip?
[00:02] <Mark_Milliman> It worked in a prior version of -7 like -7-11 or something like that
[00:02] <Mark_Milliman> I am on -7-12 now
[00:02] <Mark_Milliman> ls
[00:03] <Mark_Milliman> 00:1f.5
[00:03] <Mark_Milliman> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[00:03] <Mark_Milliman> oops, not good with the keyboard tonight
[00:04] <bsnider> what platform are you on?
[00:04] <Mark_Milliman> bsnider, what do you mean platform? i686, 32-bit, ???
[00:04] <Mark_Milliman> desktop?
[00:05] <bsnider> build platform. i386 et al.
[00:05] <Mark_Milliman> bsnider, okay, i686
[00:05] <Mark_Milliman> Linux Coronado 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 22:24:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:06] <reaby> Mark_Milliman: use lspci -nn --> pci-id is the [xxxx:xxxx] number
[00:06] <Mark_Milliman>  [8086:24c5]
[00:06] <bsnider> Mark_Milliman, i'm on 64 bit and it is fine here. maybe the problem is specific to i686
[00:07] <Mark_Milliman> perhaps, I have read where it still works with the rt kernel too
[00:08] <BWM> hmm
[00:08] <BWM> text is fuzzy in Elite Forcew
[00:08] <BWM> like it's not at a high enough resolution
[00:08] <BWM> any idea why that would be? It's a wine app
[00:08] <bsnider> Mark_Milliman, our pciids are almost the same
[00:08] <bsnider> likely using the same drivers
[00:09] <Mark_Milliman> bsnider, that's not too unusual
[00:09] <reaby> correct driver for the card is:  intel8x0
[00:09] <Mark_Milliman> these controllers are used in several machines
[00:10] <bsnider> here's the build changelog for the new kernel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/008957.html
[00:11] <Mark_Milliman> reaby, so I should try to load the snd-hda-intel8x0 module?
[00:11] <reaby> Mark_Milliman: try
[00:11] <bsnider> reaby, where didst you find that info?
[00:12] <reaby> http://www.calel.org/pci-devices/alsa-device-list.html
[00:12] <Mark_Milliman> reaby, I don't have that module
[00:12] <reaby> tho it's a bit old (2007)
[00:14] <Mark_Milliman> sorry, gents, I have to get going.  Thanks for the pointers though.  I'll continue to watch the forums for others with this issue.  Until then I'll use the -6 kernel.
[00:18] <reaby> btw how accurate is that lspci first number versus lspci --nn
[00:18] <bsnider> mine is so new it doesn't appear on the alsa page
[00:36] <kjetil1001> Where can I find daily builds of intrepid beta CD iso's?? cant find anything newer than 03.10.08
[00:36] <bsnider> !daily
[00:36] <bsnider> and that's the bottom line cuz stone cold said so
[01:24] <chris__> ne one around?
[01:25] <BWM> Nope.
[01:25] <chris__> when i try to install nvidia gfx driver it says my xorgconf is invalid :(
[01:25] <BWM> Nobody here but us potatos.
[01:25] <BWM> Shhh...
[01:25] <BWM> potatoes*
[01:25] <chris__> (i have to load ubuntu in safe gfx mode)
[01:25] <BWM> I dunno why that'd be, sorry. I don't know anything, really, about Linux XD
[01:26] <chris__> to be exact it says "Reconfiguring x.org video drivers is no possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid"
[01:27] <chris__> everyone is gone :(
[01:27] <chris__> BAH!!! lol i want my 1800x1600 lol
[01:28] <BWM> If I wanted a colorful terminal, like the one Mint has
[01:28] <BWM> can that be done?
[01:28] <chris__> i assume....
[01:28] <Hobbsee> BWM: sure, if you know how to.
[01:28] <chris__> Hobbsee, can u help meh?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> chris__: nope.
[01:29] <chris__> damn :(
[01:30] <Hobbsee> apart from removing the file, or something
[01:30] <chris__> what do i remove?
[01:30] <chris__> i cant load up regular xorg :(
[01:30] <zyrorl> does anyone know what the latest nvidia drivers that work properly with compiz are?
[01:32] <wgrant> chris__: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:32] <BWM> I just figured out how XD
[01:33] <BWM> And decided I like it fine the way it is, though I would appreciate those little tokens of wisdom Mint displays when the terminal starts :P
[01:33] <aguitel> the last update ctash my system
[01:33] <chris__> wgrant, nope :(
[01:33] <chris__> do i need to restart xorg?
[01:34] <wgrant> chris__: Yes.
[01:34] <chris__> ok ctrl + alt + backspace good enough?, or full reboot?
[01:34] <wgrant> chris__: The former.
[01:34] <chris__> huh?
[01:35] <chris__> whats the former?
[01:35] <wgrant> chris__: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.
[01:35] <Peddy> My wireless card does not appear in Hardware Drivers. Can someone please help me?
[01:35] <FFForever> here goes nothing :)
[01:35] <FFForever> (this is my windows laptop...)
[01:36] <FFForever> wgrant same thing from the restricted device manager...
[01:36] <wgrant> FFForever: OK, sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.old}
[01:36] <FFForever> one sec rebooting
[01:37] <FFForever> ohhh yeah that reminds me half way booting i have to hold down a key till it stops moving the loading bar then it finishes loading...
[01:37] <FFForever> any idea about that wgrant
[01:37] <wgrant> There's a bug on that, but I'm no kernel god.
[01:38] <FFForever> ok when i boot up it says (EE) No devices detected
[01:38] <wgrant> Gaaarrrggegergergh
[01:38] <wgrant> That bug.
[01:38] <FFForever> then it says run in low gfx mode, reconfigure gfx, trouble shoot
[01:38] <wgrant> Reconfigure.
[01:39] <FFForever> use default, create new config, use ur bk up (witch i don't think i have....)
[01:39] <wgrant> FFForever: Try the first.
[01:40] <FFForever> ... didn't work
[01:40] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[01:40] <FFForever> now it says no screens found (when launching x by hand)
[01:41] <wgrant> Do you have xserver-xorg-video-nv installed?
[01:41] <wgrant> Try removing nvidia-glx-*
[01:41] <FFForever> yeah and its the newest version
[01:42] <FFForever> ok removing
[01:42] <FFForever> then what?
[01:42] <FFForever> done
[01:42] <FFForever> it only removed nvidia-glx-177 though....
[01:44] <FFForever> wgrant u there?
[01:45] <wgrant> FFForever: I am, but a bit busy... tried starting X again?
[01:45] <FFForever> yeah same thing
[01:46] <FFForever> i understand u guys are busy but i need this laptop working its my school computer :(
[01:46] <zyrorl> FFForever - downgrade to 173
[01:46] <FFForever> how?
[01:46] <zyrorl> system->administration
[01:46] <zyrorl> hardware drivers
[01:47] <zyrorl> 177 doesnt work properly in intrepid
[01:47] <FFForever> zyrorl restricted device manager won't work in safe gfx mode :(
[01:49] <FFForever> installing 173 via apt :)
[01:50] <FFForever> zyrorl if i build the kernel by hand will that solve my boot up problem?
[01:50] <zyrorl> i dunno
[01:51] <wgrant> FFForever: You are not meant to upgrade a machine to a pre-release if it is a critical one.
[01:51] <FFForever> wgrant i have no other option...
[01:52] <wgrant> Why not?
[01:52] <FFForever> most things i need require the newer version then what apt offers in 8.04... also wifi works in 8.10 but not 8.04....
[01:52] <wgrant> "need"
[01:52] <zyrorl> define^
[01:52] <FFForever> the point is i need wifi reguardless of the os...
[01:54] <zyrorl> what wireless device you have?
[01:55] <FFForever> atheros
[01:55] <FFForever> i tried madwifi and ndiswrapper the hardware manager in 8.04...
[01:55] <FFForever> anyways gfx is working now (thanks for 173)
[01:56] <FFForever> when is ibext planned on being released?
[01:56] <zyrorl> 30th
[01:56] <zyrorl> i hear?
[01:56] <FFForever> ok wifi is no longer working :(
[01:56] <FFForever> i have an AR242x
[01:57] <FFForever> it says This driver is activated but not currently in use...
[01:58] <zyrorl> *shrugs*, i have an intel 4965, its got enough problems on its own (like not obtaining dhcp if WMM is enabled), never had an atheros to play with
[01:59] <FFForever> wmm?
[01:59] <zyrorl> wireless multimedia extensions..
[01:59] <zyrorl> i think
[01:59] <zyrorl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Multimedia_Extensions
[02:01] <dredhammer> can someone tell me what the link is for the intrepid ibex beta dvd iso
[02:09] <bsnider> FFForever, the old madwifi driver is deprecated in intrepid because of the huge kernel jump (from .24 to .27)
[02:09] <bsnider> use the ath5k driver instead
[02:09] <FFForever> how do i install it
[02:10] <bsnider> in other words, remove the linux-restriced-modules package
[02:10] <FFForever> u just recompiled madwifi-hal version <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:10] <bsnider> ath5k is in the kernel already. you don't install anything. you take out the conflicting madwifi parts
[02:11] <FFForever> bsnider no packages found for linux-restricted-modules
[02:11] <bsnider> search for restricted
[02:12] <FFForever> how
[02:12] <wgrant> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.XX-X-something
[02:12] <bsnider> in synaptic
[02:12] <bsnider> hey grant, how ya doin'?
[02:13] <FFForever> there are 4
[02:13] <FFForever> remove them all?
[02:13] <bsnider> yes
[02:13] <bsnider> they're conflicting with the ath5k driver
[02:14] <FFForever> ok removing
[02:14] <FFForever> why dont we use ath5k by default?
[02:14] <bsnider> the only reason they're in there is because you probably upgraded from hardy
[02:14] <FFForever> well i couldn't get the live cd to install...
[02:15] <FFForever> couldn't get xorg started at all...
[02:15] <bsnider> which one?
[02:15] <FFForever> daily live cd
[02:15] <bsnider> what was wrong with it?
[02:15] <FFForever> xorg won't start...
[02:16] <FFForever> bsnider now what do i do?
[02:17] <bsnider> do an lsmod and check for loaded modules with "ath" like ath_pci
[02:17] <bsnider> or wlan
[02:18] <FFForever> i loaded ath5k by hand
[02:18] <bsnider> you need to remove them. the command to remove them is sudo modprobe -r modulename
[02:18] <FFForever> but nothing with ath_pci comes up
[02:19] <bsnider> if that didn't mkae your wireless work, restart
[02:19] <FFForever> one moment removing ndiswrapper
[02:19] <racquad> hi guys! I have ubuntu 8.04 installed on an acer one and I just upgraded to 8.10. the thing is that the video is strange, too slow. to move a window is a pain.
[02:20] <FFForever> ok rebooting
[02:21] <bsnider> racquad, what video card is in that thing?
[02:21] <racquad> intel 945
[02:21] <FFForever> *prays this works*
[02:22] <racquad> bsnider, on 8.04 it worked very gently. on 8.10, even a simple scroll on a webpage under firefox is a pain!
[02:22] <bsnider> racquad, so the performance is significantly worse than hardy?
[02:22] <racquad> worse. significantly. i don't know why, since this video card is well supported by x.org
[02:23] <bsnider> racquad, did you upgrade or do a clean install?
[02:23] <racquad> upgrade
[02:23] <FFForever> bsnider how do i make it auto load ath5k?
[02:23] <racquad> dist-upgrade
[02:23] <wgrant> racquad: dist-upgrade, or through update-manager?
[02:23] <bsnider> FFForever, that driver will be automatically selected
[02:23] <racquad> I know it still a beta, but it will be available very soon
[02:23] <FFForever> nope
[02:23] <racquad> yes. update-manager -d
[02:23] <FFForever> i just had to load it by hand again
[02:23] <wgrant> racquad: OK. Good. Pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.con
[02:23] <wgrant> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:24] <racquad> just a min
[02:24] <bsnider> or wipe that file out
[02:24] <racquad> it has 69 lines long.
[02:24] <wgrant> !pastebin | racquad
[02:24] <bsnider> i was going to tell him to send it inot oblivion
[02:24] <wgrant> bsnider: Best to check that there's nothing special there first.
[02:24] <wgrant> Once I look over it I hope to recommend the same thing.
[02:25] <racquad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/59531/
[02:25] <bsnider> what the hell is that thing anyway? "acer one"?
[02:25] <wgrant> racquad: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:26] <racquad> bsnider: a netbook by acer. similar to asus eee pc
[02:26] <wgrant> There's nothing beneficial in that xorg.conf now.
[02:26] <wtgee> Hey all, I've been trying to figure out why my authenticate/authorization fails from some screens, any ideas?  Specifically the Hardware Drivers screen is what I am looking at.
[02:26] <bsnider> oh, that thing
[02:26] <wgrant> wtgee: What is the precise text of the failure message/
[02:26] <bsnider> FFForever, did you say you built a custom hal?
[02:26] <wtgee> wgrant: It just doesn't recognize my password
[02:26] <FFForever> bsnider yeah but i guess i removed it...
[02:27] <FFForever> well madwifi-hal
[02:27] <racquad> wgrant: it has done nothing. just a new file
[02:27] <wgrant> racquad: It shouldn't do anything visible. Try restarting X now.
[02:27] <racquad> wgrant: any idea?
[02:27] <racquad> i will drop irc.
[02:27] <wgrant> racquad: Good luck.
[02:28] <racquad> hang on a second
[02:28] <wtgee> wgrant: So if I try to activate a proprietary driver it gives the me Authenticate popup and that doesn't accept my password.
[02:28] <wgrant> wtgee: "doesn't accept"? It tells you that your password is incorrect?
[02:28] <bsnider> FFForever, what does iwconfig yield?
[02:28] <wtgee> wgrant: But that same Authenticate screen fails from everywhere, Restricted Drivers is just an example.
[02:28] <FFForever> bsnider it works now :)
[02:28] <FFForever> i just had to add ath5k to /etc/modules :)
[02:29] <bsnider> cool
[02:29] <bsnider> but i think if you have the default hal it will autoload
[02:29] <bsnider> welcome to open source atheros support
[02:29] <wtgee> wgrant: It shakes like I entered it wrong.  I don't believe there is actually a message. If I hit cancel or try to many times it is 'You are not authorized to perform this action'
[02:29] <wgrant> wtgee: What do the implicit policies for com.ubuntu.devicedriver in System->Administration->Authorizations say?
[02:29] <FFForever> one more thing bsnider do u know how i can fix my boot up problem?, it hangs till i hold any key for a few secs... then after the sliding bar finishes everything works fine
[02:30] <bsnider> does it say it's doing a fsck or soemthing?
[02:30] <wgrant> wtgee: Also, ck-list-sessions
[02:30] <wgrant> bsnider: It's a known kernel bug.
[02:31] <FFForever> bsnider nothing its before it says anything (when its just moving the bar back and forth before it gets to the actual loading...)
[02:31] <bsnider> i thought it was already fixed
[02:31] <wtgee> wgrant: For "Install or remove device drivers" it is Admin Authentication. For all the others in com.ubuntu.devicedriver it is a Yes or No
[02:31] <FFForever> wgrant wouldn't that be a problem with grub though?
[02:31] <bsnider> no, not grub
[02:31] <FFForever> can i install an older kernel?
[02:31] <bsnider> grub has already handed it off to the kernel at that point
[02:31] <wtgee> wgrant: what part of ck-list-sessions do you want?
[02:31] <FFForever> ohhh
[02:32] <wgrant> wtgee: If there's only one session, just check that active=TRUE.
[02:32] <wtgee> wgrant: Yes, active is true
[02:32] <bsnider> FFForever, rc1 is like 5 days away. i'd deal with it until then
[02:33] <wgrant> wtgee: Try to grant yourself an explicit authorisation to install drivers.
[02:33] <FFForever> wgrant i am looking at the bug reports i don't see anything like what i am having
[02:33] <wtgee> wgrant: It pops up the same Authenticate screen and responds the same
[02:33] <racquad> wgrant: I figured out what's going on!!
[02:34] <bsnider> FFForever, are you kidding me? it's all over the forums and has been for months
[02:34] <FFForever> bsnider i am not looking in the forums just the bug reports
[02:34] <racquad> the thing is: I have a 22" external monitor plugged on my laptop. when I turn my laptop monitor into a secondary display, Ubuntu asks if I want to turn on virtual desktop, because the size of the external and the laptop are different
[02:35] <bsnider> FFForever, it can be very hard to find bugs on laucnhpad unfortunately
[02:35] <racquad> when this function (virtual desktop) is enabled, the whole system turn slow
[02:35] <wtgee> wgrant: I recently signed up for the Ubuntero and in the process generated a new gpg key.  I think this is the first I have encountered the Authenitcate screen since then.
[02:35] <FFForever> where is the 8.10 forum?
[02:35] <wtgee> wgrant: I don't know why that would affect my user password though but just letting you know
[02:36] <bsnider> FFForever,  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=346
[02:36] <wgrant> wtgee: That can't affect your user password. You're quite sure it's correct?
[02:36] <wtgee> wgrant: yes, I have entered it a 1000 times.  Very slowly
[02:36] <wgrant> racquad: i945 has an accelerated size limit of 2048x2048, IIRC.
[02:36] <wtgee> wgrant: checked caps lock and all that
[02:37] <racquad> wgrant: I know. i'm using 1650x1050 on the external. but with virtual on, it turns slow. now, I'm not using it and works justs fine
[02:37] <FFForever> did u guys take out the startup sound?
[02:37] <wgrant> wtgee: Are there just the usual four @include lines in /etc/pam.d/polkit?
[02:38] <wgrant> racquad: You should only see the problem if virtual is above 2048x2048.
[02:38] <racquad> wgrant. it's not above
[02:38] <wgrant> FFForever: Not deliberately, but there are some bugs with libcanberra/PulseAudio interaction early in the session.
[02:38] <wgrant> racquad: What is it?
[02:39] <wtgee> wgrant: I don't know what the usualy is, but yeah, there are 4 lines besides the shebang kind of line
[02:39] <wtgee> wgrant: 4 @incluce
[02:39] <wgrant> wtgee: OK, that should be fine.
[02:39] <wtgee> wgrant: err @include
[02:39] <bsnider> i think luke already fixed that problem
[02:39] <racquad> well, as I said, when this function (virtual) is enabled, the video turns slow
[02:39] <racquad> now, this virtual desktop is disabled. and seems to be fine
[02:40] <wtgee> wgrant: It has been this way for maybe a day or two, not just from the most recent update.  I was waiting to see if it fixed itself.
[02:40] <wgrant> racquad: What is the size? I run with one under 2048x2048 fine...
[02:40] <wgrant> wtgee: I've no clue, sorry. You've rebooted?
[02:41] <racquad> wgrant: the laptop works on 1024x600. the external, 1650x1050
[02:41] <FFForever> how come wifi + linux just never works otb?
[02:41] <wgrant> racquad: I don't particularly care about the screen resolutions. I need the Virtual line in xorg.conf.
[02:41] <wgrant> FFForever: It does in a lot of cases.
[02:41] <wgrant> All three laptops here have worked fine for at least 18 months OOTB.
[02:41] <wtgee> wgrant: Yeah, like I said, it has been a couple of days so I have shutdown and so forth.  I've gotta go so I will check back later.  It doesn't totally interrupt everything but wanted to check if others had seen. I will play around wth it later but thanks for the help.
[02:41] <dli_> racquad, so, 1650x1650 virtual is enough
[02:41] <wgrant> (they're all with Intel chips)
[02:42] <wgrant> dli_: Depends on the direction in which the screens are aligned.
[02:42] <FFForever> i guess buying the cheapest laptop is not the best idea on earth...
[02:42] <racquad> 	Virtual	2704 1050
[02:42] <wgrant> FFForever: Mine was cheap. I just chose one with Intel hardware because I had good experiences with it and the drivers are free.
[02:42] <wgrant> racquad: There is your problem.
[02:42] <wgrant> 2704 >> 2048
[02:42] <dli_> racquad, no, the driver won't do it
[02:43] <FFForever> btw nice new background pix what is it?, a warewolf that got shot in the jaw?
[02:43] <racquad> because it sums 1650 with 1024
[02:43] <wgrant> FFForever: An Ibex...
[02:43] <wgrant> racquad: Because you have your screens set to next to each other, right.
[02:43] <FFForever> if you say so... lol
[02:43] <racquad> wgrant, that's it. now, I have one under the other.
[02:44] <wgrant> racquad: That should work fine.
[02:44] <wgrant> racquad: We may have a workaround for this hardware limitation for Jaunty, but maybe not.
[02:44] <racquad> wgrant: thanks a lot
[02:46] <racquad> wgrant: that's  a limitation about the hardware or the driver?
[02:46] <wgrant> racquad: Hardware.
[02:47] <wgrant> GL surface size limitation, IIRC.
[02:47] <tayo> hello
[02:47] <racquad> i see
[02:47] <bsnider> he could turn off the smaller screen and just use the bigger one
[02:49] <tayo> testing.. dont mind me :)
[02:49] <tayo> anyone else here running ATI graphics with the beta?
[02:50] <FFForever> dark room theme + gmail == weird as ********* lol
[02:59] <jtisme> how do i mount an internal floppy   /dev/fd0  does not exist
[03:01] <crashsystems> Wow, it has been years since I've even touched a floppy. I'd expect it to auto mount like a cd or usb drive, but I don't know.
[03:01] <bsnider> it does automount
[03:02] <jtisme> no and /dev/fd is a directory with  0 1 2 and 255 links in it
[03:03] <jtisme> i suspect the kernel code changed and i did not keep up with the chane
[03:03] <jtisme> change
[03:03] <jtisme> searched google no luch
[03:03] <jtisme> luck
[03:09] <chrisw_> hello
[03:10] <chrisw_> i have a problem with preseeding a network installation of intrepid which may (?) be a bug
[03:10] <crashsystems> preseeding?
[03:10] <chrisw_> i can't find a preseed option to address whether or not the initial user's home directory is encrypted or not
[03:11] <crashsystems> is home dir encryption a new feature?
[03:11] <chrisw_> preseeding -- passing installer options over http during a network installation
[03:11] <chrisw_> yes, i think it's new to this release
[03:11] <crashsystems> nice. I'm using the whole disk crypto, but that has been there for some time
[03:11] <chrisw_> (it's actually part of debconfig i think, but i don't understand the finer points yet)
[03:11] <bsnider> obviously you're using the alternate cd?
[03:12] <crashsystems> yes
[03:12] <crashsystems> and an insane passphrase
[03:12] <bsnider> that issue might be a little bit beyond this chat room
[03:12] <chrisw_> if preseeding encrypted home isn't possible, i think that's a bug
[03:12] <bsnider> mgiht as well submit a bug report
[03:13] <chrisw_> it would prevent an otherwise completely automatic installation
[03:13] <crashsystems> have you searched launchpad?
[03:13] <chrisw_> i've googled for a while
[03:13] <chrisw_> there doesn't seem to be much information specific to intrepid
[03:13] <crashsystems> I'm not familiar with the automated installation topic
[03:13] <chrisw_> i also tried slugging through the installation scripts a bit
[03:14] <chrisw_> i'll submit a bug
[03:14]  * chrisw_ checks the bug database first
[03:14] <chrisw_> oh right, that is what launchpad is
[03:14] <bsnider> if you submit a bug, it will at least precipitate a dialogue between you and whomever packages it
[03:22] <chrisw_> bug report away
[03:23] <chrisw_> hmm, apparently a kmitnick is notified of bug reports
[03:24] <chrisw_> hmm, i don't think i've used epic a handful of times in the last ten years
[03:25] <chrisw_> i must be developing irc nostolgia
[03:44] <Kr0ntab> ~sigh~   I love Intrepid.  :-)
[03:49] <zyrorl> intrepid has come a long way int he last few days
[03:49] <zyrorl> its been far more stabe
[03:49] <zyrorl> stable
[03:49] <zyrorl> i used to get kernel panics few times a day
[03:49] <BlackGA> I installed Ubuntu 8.10 Beta, and started the Distribution upgrade. Everything went fine with it, until it got the the Cleaning Up stage. It had to remove 2 packages. (linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic and linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>) It has sat on removing linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS> for about 2 hours, and has not done anything. What should I do?
[03:49] <donjr_KS> I am using Kubuntu intrepid. And I cannot get it to burn an ISO immage to CD. It dosen't even pop up that it's found a blank CD when I put one in.
[03:50] <smil3y> BlackGA>  wait a minute, you mean you were on 8.04 and did a dist upgrade? or you were on 8.10 and did a dist upgrade?
[03:50] <BlackGA> I installed a clean 8.10, and then did the dist upgade/
[03:50] <BlackGA> .*
[03:51] <smil3y> BlackGA>  uh, no experience with that, you may have hosed it.  you dont dist upgrade if theres nothing to dist upgrade to
[03:52] <smil3y> BlackGA> what happens when you boot?
[03:52] <wgrant> smil3y: That's incorrect. dist-upgrade is appropriate here.
[03:52] <donjr_KS> Any suggestion on how I can get intrepid to recognize my blank CD and allow me to burn an ISO?
[03:53] <BlackGA> Was told to do so, or else a certain package wouldn't work properly, while trying to run it.
[03:53] <smil3y> yeah i know, thats why I said "may have" and asked what happens when he boots..... not sure
[03:53] <smil3y> BlackGA> so what happens when you boot?
[03:54] <BlackGA> I have not rebooted. I have been waiting for the upgrade to finish up.
[03:54] <smil3y> BlackGA> you can always reinstall 27.4, im not using it anyway, cant get wireless to work reliably, i use .24
[03:55] <bertodsera> can anyone point me to a channel where I can get assistance for me to add a layout to X?
[03:55] <wgrant> bertodsera: "layout"?
[03:56] <BlackGA> Is it ok to cancel the Upgrade process while it's trying to remove it?
[03:56] <bertodsera> keyboard layout
[03:56] <bertodsera> a keyboard for a language that is still missing in the distro
[03:56] <bertodsera> I can start the translation, but I need a keyboard for that
[03:58] <smil3y> BlackGA> if it was me i would, i live fixing shit but im not recommending it to you
[03:58] <smil3y> BlackGA>  your rpobably going to be in for a ton of dependency issues if you do
[03:59] <unfo> hi all, could you please tell me the entire contents of the file "/etc/issue" on Intrepid
[03:59] <donjr_KS> no help for burning an ISO?
[04:00] <wgrant> BlackGA: As long as you're not upgrading from another release, cancelling and retrying should be fine.
[04:00] <bsnider> unfo, ubuntu intrepid (development branch) \n \l
[04:00] <smil3y> donjr_KS>  i dont know, havent tried to burn anything, what happens when you insert a blank cd? does it mount?
[04:01] <donjr_KS> smil3y no, it doesn't show in dolphin at all, no pop up, nothing.  But any other CD reads fine.
[04:02] <bsnider> unfo, that's the funniest question. you want to know the contents of a file that has one line.
[04:02] <smil3y> unfo>  this is what I have "Ubuntu intrepid (development branch) \n \l"
[04:03] <smil3y> donjr_KS>  well, i would test it too, but my dvd drive is busted
[04:03] <donjr_KS> well crud.
[04:03] <smil3y> donjr_KS>  you try opening k3b? see if it shows there?
[04:03] <donjr_KS> smil3y thanks for the reply at least.
[04:03] <donjr_KS> smil3y not yet, let me find it
[04:04] <smil3y> Don_Miguel>  try a different cd? maybe not a r/w?
[04:04] <crashsystems> you could boot from a usb drive
[04:04] <donjr_KS> these are burnable. I have k3b open now, we'll see if it works out.
[04:05] <donjr_KS> I don't have a flash drive atm
[04:05] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[04:05] <smil3y> donjr_KS>  maybe a bug in dolphin right now,
[04:05] <BlackGA> Don, does the blank CD show up when you attempt to burn a file with CD/DVD Creator?
[04:06] <donjr_KS> k3b is working thus far..I tried earlier with cdrecord from console
[04:06] <larson9999> are there still some kinds to work out with policy kit?  seems every time i install hardy or ibex the unlock is greyed out on at least a few things.
[04:06] <larson9999> s/kinds/kinks
[04:06] <smil3y> donjr_KS>  well thats definately odd
[04:08] <donjr_KS> We'll see if it works out properly, but so far it appears to be.  CD rom just activated and it nows says it's writing to disk.  Thanks a ton for the info, I wasn't sure k3b would do what the console wouldn't thought maybe I was missing something
[04:09] <crashsystems> Speaking of CD burning, it has always seemed to me that Brasero is rather slow. Has anyone else noticed this?
[04:09] <unfo> bsnider, smil3y, thanks.
[04:09] <unfo> all : also : when you log in in text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) does Intrepid tell you a web site you can go to for help?  what is the entire line telling you how to get help?
[04:10] <crashsystems> nope
[04:10] <BlackGA> How do I cancel the Upgrade process, should I just log off?
[04:13] <unfo> crashsystems: nope to who?
[04:13] <crashsystems> you
[04:13] <crashsystems> it does not tell me of any website when I go to tty1
[04:14] <unfo> crashsystems: thanks for checking.  but try this:  go to tty1, then *log in*. :)
[04:14] <unfo> does it mention how to get help?
[04:14] <unfo> crashsystems: if so, what is the exact wording of the message on how to get help?
[04:15] <crashsystems> nope. it just states that it is a developmental branch
[04:15] <unfo> crashsystems: thanks
[04:15] <crashsystems> yw
[04:15] <crashsystems> are you looking for help?
[04:15] <unfo> crashsystems: no, i am filing a bug report "[PATCH] Tell users how to undo accidental Ctrl+Alt+F1 presses by adding a line to /etc/issue"
[04:16] <dr_willis> heh heh.. accidental.
[04:16] <dr_willis> :)
[04:16] <crashsystems> is accidental Ctrl+Alt+F1 a common thing?
[04:16] <dr_willis> dont forget to mention about .hushlogin to make all the issue messages and stuff go away
[04:16] <unfo> crashsystems: it happens.
[04:16] <unfo> dr_willis: what is .hushlogin?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> crashsystems: wouldn't have thoguht so - ctrl+alt+backspace may be more common..
[04:16] <dr_willis> It makes for a quiet login. :)
[04:17] <unfo> Hobbsee: I convinced dstone to disable ctrl+alt+backspace by default in the newest Xorg (coming soon).
[04:17] <crashsystems> grr, I love ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:17] <larson9999> for the past few days about every other boot here was met with a constant beeping.  that was nice
[04:17] <unfo> Hobbsee: accidental ctrl+alt+backspace is alarmingly common
[04:17] <Hobbsee> unfo: ouch?
[04:17] <dr_willis> To turn off the banner in Unix, create a special file in your login directory called .hushlogin.
[04:17] <unfo> Hobbsee: what do you mean "ouch"
[04:17] <dr_willis> .hushlogin is OLD skool :)
[04:18] <unfo> dr_willis: why would most people want to turn off the banner?
[04:18] <larson9999> you can't get rid of ctl+alt_backspace.
[04:18] <wgrant> That was an interesting decision on daniels' part. I was very surprised when I first saw it.
[04:18] <bsnider> and how do you restart the x server then?
[04:18] <dr_willis> unfo,  becuase the banner is useless info for the most part.
[04:18] <dr_willis> i dont need to see the same banner in each ssh session
[04:18] <wgrant> bsnider: Gracefully.
[04:18] <crashsystems> random jokes would be much better
[04:18] <dr_willis> and dont get me started on prople that put 'fortune' in their .bashrc :)
[04:18] <larson9999> my son already has muscle memory for ctl+alt+backspace
[04:19] <larson9999> dr_willis, i put fortune in all my team's .profile at work :)
[04:19] <dr_willis> I have encounted issues in the past with some of the login output , when scripting remote things.. But thats a bit rare.
[04:19]  * dr_willis pummles larson9999  with 'fortune | cowsay'
[04:19] <unfo> lol
[04:20] <dr_willis> larson9999,  i noticed that the Ubuntu-linux-Mint variant does that by default.. THEN they made a special GUI tool that lets you disable it.. its SOO critial!
[04:20] <crashsystems> lol, I've never seen fortune!
[04:20] <wgrant> dr_willis: It does not have Ubuntu in its name.
[04:20] <dr_willis> wgrant,  i know..
[04:21] <unfo> OT : How does this sound?  "Ubuntu intrepid (development branch) 8.10 tty1"
[04:21] <unfo> "This is text mode ttyX. If you got here by pushing Ctrl+Alt+F#, then push Ctrl+Alt+F7 to return to graphics mode. Or see http://help.ubuntu.com/"
[04:21] <dr_willis> unfo,  actually i think you just need alt-f7 or ctrl-f7 to get back
[04:21] <bsnider> that's obviously a good idea. disabling ctrl-alt-backspace isn't
[04:21] <crashsystems> rather, "or see w3m http://help.ubuntu.com"
[04:21] <Dalem50> Hello :D
[04:22] <dr_willis> unfo,  ALSO -  if you have more then 1 X session going - it could be F8 of F9 :) or all 3
[04:22] <larson9999> dr_willis, we just started using unix at work and for some dumb reason they didn't chmod the home areas very smartly so we could edit each other's .profiles.   a made a fake 'automated checker' it simulated a check of resources and said they're home area was too big and automatically deleted files.  scrolling the names one by one as they were being deleted.
[04:22] <crashsystems> and the user who accidently went to tty1 also has several x sessions
[04:22] <Dalem50> Wait, you mean by switching between console and GUI?
[04:22] <larson9999> within a day they fixed that :)
[04:22] <wgrant> bsnider: I never have to use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. I always either log out gracefully or convince X to hardlock my machine.
[04:23] <dr_willis> larson9999,  :) a simple "yes > .bigfile &" in the .bashrc is so amuseing also.... slowlys fills up their quota
[04:23] <Dalem50> Speaking of which, does anyone know how to install a desktop on Ubuntu Server Edition?
[04:23] <bsnider> wgrant, you get hard lockups do you? you must be running an ati driver
[04:23] <dr_willis> Dalem50,  install the ubuntu-desktop package is one way
[04:23] <Dalem50> Wait, I heard of Xbuntu, how do you install that desktop?
[04:23] <wgrant> bsnider: No, -intel. Just I hack the drivers and it ends up segfaulting, and segfaulting with Composite on -intel is *bad*.
[04:24] <wgrant> Dalem50: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <dr_willis> Dalem50,  xubuntu-desktop for xubuntu
[04:24] <Dalem50> Thanks wgrant :D
[04:24] <dr_willis> I wonder if the fluxbox/fluxbuntu guys ever made a fluxbuntu-desktop package
[04:24] <bsnider> wgrant, why would you need to hack an excellent driver like the intel driver?
[04:24] <zyrorl> intel wireless drivers are far from excellent:(
[04:25] <wgrant> zyrorl: ipw2200 works excellently for me.
[04:25] <crashsystems> with 8.10, I can do dual monitors for the first time
[04:25] <Dalem50> Does anyone know how to get RTL8187B working?
[04:25] <larson9999> dr_willis, yeah.  the lasting fun part of that is one of the people i played that prank on was an admin.  probably the reason they weren't chmoded in the first place.
[04:25] <zyrorl> iwl4965 doesnt
[04:25] <Dalem50> It's a wireless card.
[04:25] <wgrant> bsnider: I don't. I hack other bits of X and the -synaptics driver.
[04:25] <bsnider> zyrorl, it's a great driver, assuming you don't want your wifi to work
[04:25] <wgrant> And -intel occasionally, but not as often.
[04:26] <zyrorl> bsnider - i guess...
[04:26] <thompa> Im having one problem. Themes don't stay after reboot
[04:27] <unfo> crashsystems: re w3m: good idea. fixed.
[04:27] <Dalem50> thompa: Is this on 8.10?
[04:27] <bsnider> ThomasD, maybe you don't have write permission to your own home directory
[04:27] <crashsystems> @unfo honestly, that was a bit of a joke, but if you find it helpful, then that makes me happy
[04:27] <thompa> Dalem50: yes
[04:28] <unfo> crashsystems: I think it's a good idea
[04:28] <Dalem50> thompa: Sorry, I can't really help with that. I didn't try 8.10 out because I figured it wouldn't be very compatible with my computer.
[04:28] <thompa> Dalem50: I found something on forum while back
[04:28] <Dalem50> thompa:What's that xD
[04:29] <thompa> Dalem50: whats your computer
[04:29] <dli_> scim stops working for me:(
[04:29] <Dalem50> Thompa: It's a really cheap Toshiba Computer. I forgot the exact model number
[04:29] <crashsystems> I saw in the release notes for the current kernel that there is now support for ext4, yet I do not see it as an option in gparted
[04:30] <unfo> crashsystems: just use ext3.  it works fine.
[04:30] <unfo> :)
[04:30] <crashsystems> I'm using reiserfs currently
[04:30] <thompa> Dalem50: well its working fine here on a few systems all laptops
[04:30] <zyrorl> i used reiser until recently when i couldn't recover my partition:(
[04:31] <crashsystems> but doesn't ext4 have better performance?
[04:31] <Dalem50> tompa: Mine has a X1200 ATI graphics card. I don't think highly on compatibility, but I have faith :D
[04:31] <thompa> but the theme issue I cant figure out. could it be compiz?
[04:31] <Dalem50> thompa: Not likely
[04:31] <thompa> Dalem50: I had a problem with ati also
[04:31] <Dalem50> Thompa: Unless you're running Compiz
[04:31] <Dalem50> Thompa: Try turning Compiz off and changing the theme.
[04:32] <thompa> Dalem50: well i am. I mean maybe cause ots updated so much.. compiz
[04:32] <steve_> crashsystems>  is reiser even maintained anymore?
[04:32] <thompa> Dalem50: good idea
[04:32] <Dalem50> Thompa: I think you'd have to do some experimenting with your case.
[04:32] <crashsystems> I also see reiser4 as an option, but it is grayed out
[04:32] <crashsystems> @steve_ it is
[04:32] <crashsystems> there is talk of changing it's name
[04:32] <steve_> crashsystems>  yeah., thats probably a good idea
[04:33] <crashsystems> mkfs.ext4 currently exists on my system though
[04:33] <crashsystems> but mkfs.reiserfs4 does not
[04:33] <crashsystems> this is rather strange
[04:34] <bsnider> that filfesystem is notoriously unstable
[04:34] <thompa> darklooks theme has changed i think . now blue highlights
[04:34] <nathan_> Does any one know if 8.10 includes the latest Atheros 9k drivers release?
[04:34] <bsnider> much like its creator
[04:34] <crashsystems> what, reiserfs?
[04:34] <crashsystems> I've got it on my encrypted hd currently
[04:35] <bsnider> no, the 4th version of it
[04:35] <thompa> anyone know what the deafualt theme is supposed to be
[04:35] <crashsystems> ah, that might explain it
[04:35] <nathan_> included in the latest kernel I mean
[04:35] <crashsystems> perhaps we could have a file system war in here...
[04:36] <bsnider> xfs is currently the best
[04:36] <thompa> nathan_: I had  manually install them
[04:36] <bsnider> btrfs will eventually be
[04:36] <crashsystems> @bsnider what makes you think that? also, would it go well inside encrypted lvm?
[04:36] <thompa> thompa: madwifi that is
[04:36] <crashsystems> (reffering to xfs)
[04:37] <nathan_> right I've looked into mad wifi and will probably go that route
[04:37] <bsnider> it's fast and efficient. it uses extents
[04:37] <nathan_> but was hoping to have a lazy way out... :)
[04:37] <wgrant> bsnider: And one would be crazy to run it without a UPS, in general...
[04:38] <crashsystems> I'm on a laptop
[04:39] <bsnider> if you say so , sir
[04:39] <unfo> bsnider, smil3y, dr_willis, crashsystems, and everyone else who helped, thanks.
[04:39] <unfo> I have now filed bug 285734 thanks to your advice.
[04:40] <nathan_> thompa: did you run into much trouble?
[04:40] <bsnider> that's great. now talk them back into using ctrl-alt-backspace, if you please
[04:41] <dli_> how to activate scim? seems to be broken by upgrade
[04:41] <nathan_> is ubottu a real person?  Sounds kinda A.I.
[04:41] <crashsystems> it is a bot
[04:42] <crashsystems> a very nice, friendly and helpful bot
[04:42] <nathan_> explains bot in the name huh.
[04:42] <nathan_> thanks new to chat (if you couldn't tell)
[04:43] <crashsystems> what does everyone think of the new private directory feature?
[04:45] <nathan_> Hope I don't get "boo"ed out of here but does Ibex still include wubi?
[04:45] <dr_willis> I hope not. :)
[04:45] <crashsystems> I like wubi. its great for noobs
[04:46] <nathan_> hey, I resemble that remark.
[04:47] <pwnguin> my first linux install resembled wubi in 1998
[04:47] <crashsystems> what do you mean pwnguin?
[04:47] <pwnguin> wubi installs to an existing windows filesystem
[04:48] <crashsystems> yep
[04:48] <bsnider> wubi has been improved. now, it not only destroys your windows installation. it now prevents you from ever installing windows on that machine again. sort of like salting the earth.
[04:48] <crashsystems> why do you say it destroys windows?
[04:48] <pwnguin> in 98 someone showed me a linux distro based on zipslack
[04:48] <dr_willis> Salted earth.... Drooooolllll...
[04:48] <wgrant> crashsystems: Because he's wrong.
[04:49] <nathan_> I havn't had any trouble with it in 8.04
[04:49] <pwnguin> you could load up all your favorite slackware programs without reformatting window
[04:49] <pwnguin> just linload into a umbdos setup
[04:50] <pwnguin> unfortunately, in 98 i had dial-up, and linux liked modems even less than it does now
[04:50] <crashsystems> I don't even know if my laptop has a modem
[04:50] <dr_willis> Most do.
[04:50] <crashsystems> yep, it does
[04:50] <pwnguin> i know mine does. wired into the sound card
[04:51] <dr_willis> I imagine tht will change here in the next few years.. so they can save a few $$$
[04:51] <bsnider> that's what i wish wubi did.
[04:51] <nathan_> got one.. never use it.
[04:51] <crashsystems> is there any useful applications of a modem other than dialup?
[04:52] <nathan_> mmm security systems.
[04:52] <pwnguin> you don't nessecarily need the phone system
[04:52] <nathan_> I use one to dial into and modify security and fire alarm programming
[04:53] <crashsystems> hmm, that sounds like it could be fun
[04:53] <pwnguin> you could perhaps use it to connect to other computers without "dialing"
[04:53] <nathan_> depends on the reason I guess.
[04:53] <crashsystems> :D
[04:53] <pwnguin> oh
[04:53] <pwnguin> faxes
[04:53] <pwnguin> and
[04:53] <pwnguin> the amusing pizza programs
[04:53] <nathan_> customer hasn't paid bill being a jerk...
[04:54] <nathan_> Usually just adding/ removing users, devices etc.  everyday stuff
[04:55] <pwnguin> http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/
[04:55] <nathan_> but I'm getting a little outside topic...
[04:55] <pwnguin> that one is internet based though
[04:55] <pwnguin> there used to be some that were direct dial
[04:56] <crashsystems> I've seen that one before
[04:57] <pwnguin> i used to use a modem to connect to the public library
[04:57] <pwnguin> check out books
[04:57] <pwnguin> reserve em etc
[04:57] <nathan_> sounds "war games" era.
[04:58] <pwnguin> 94/95
[04:59] <nathan_> I was muddling my way through junior year.
[04:59] <secret901> I'm running a Dell laptop with volume controls but they seem to work in Gnome
[04:59] <pwnguin> secret901: um, good?
[05:00] <wgrant> pwnguin: I presume my laptop's hardware to be broken, TYVM.
[05:00] <secret901> pwnguin: I mean they don't work
[05:01] <secret901> pwnguin: when I press the buttons the volume thing seem to show to be going up or down but in fact the volume stays the same.
[05:01] <pwnguin> ah, then it's controlling the wrong thing
[05:01] <pwnguin> ive no idea how to fix that
[05:02] <nathan_> have you checked alsa mixer?
[05:02] <secret901> nathan_: how do I check that?
[05:03] <pwnguin> bring up a terminal
[05:03] <nathan_> you should be able to enter "alsa-mixer" in terminal
[05:03] <pwnguin> type in alsamixer
[05:03] <pwnguin> no hyphen
[05:03] <nathan_> Oops yeah what pwnguin said
[05:04] <pwnguin> is alsamixer any different than the gnome-audio thing?
[05:05] <nathan_> mmm... I think so.
[05:05] <dr_willis> controlls the same things but different look/feel
[05:05] <dr_willis> But the gnome thing MAY be doing Pulse AUdio
[05:05] <dr_willis> Not sure about that... I just remberd Pulse. heh.
[05:06] <pwnguin> if its really controlling the same thing then i'd just skip suggesting alsamixer
[05:06] <nathan_> I had trouble with an acer laptop a year or two ago and found that all I needed to do was adjust "main" setting In alsamixer
[05:06] <dr_willis> ive noticed some of the alsamixer tools have different sliders/controlls for someof my machines
[05:06] <dr_willis> and ive seen a few cases where gnome mixer had voulme up.. but it was actuallymuted.. alsamixer was able to unmute things
[05:09] <secret9011> My volume control buttons stopped working in Gnome even though the volume control in the applet panel still works.  When I press on the buttons they act as if it's working but the volume doesn't change.
[05:09] <nathan_> right. when I first opened it up it was muted. then after I unmuted  it I still had to turn it up, because if it was set to a medium range no matter what I set the audio settings to it wouldn't go past a certain volume.
[05:11] <bigfox> That audio problem happened to me.  The default audio device and the mixer device got changed to another audio device I had connected.
[05:11] <secret9011> bigfox: how did you fix it?
[05:11] <bigfox> In System -> Preferences -> Sound  correct the default mixer device.
[05:12] <bigfox> Thats what worked for me.  During the update it set my mixer device to my USB microphone.
[05:15] <chris__> how can i edit the dark room theme?
[05:19] <Volkodav> anybody installed on a new Mac book Pro just got out? I wonder about drivers for NVIDIA GeForce 9400M +
[05:21] <secret9011> bigfox: thanks, that seemed to work
[05:22] <bigfox> Glad to help.
[05:24] <secret9011> anyone have zsnes installed and have trouble running it in Ibex?
[05:25] <wgrant> secret9011: Bug #250425?
[05:26] <secret9011> wgrant: thanks, guess I'll have to wait for a fix then
[05:45] <Volkodav> is there a FF 3.1 beta for 64 bit ?
[05:47] <crashsystems> @Volkodav I searched for one, but could not find it. I do not think so.
[05:48] <Volkodav> yeah
[05:48] <Volkodav> that's what I figured too
[05:48] <crashsystems> I wish 3.1 was going to be included in intrepid
[05:51] <Volkodav> well it's to much beta I think but I do not see no reason why not to include
[05:51] <Volkodav> it is faster
[05:51] <Volkodav> I tried it in Mac
[05:51] <crashsystems> I'm a little upset about the geod extension not working with linux though
[05:51] <crashsystems> geode*
[06:10] <chris__> how does cxmb work?
[06:10] <chris__> it just flashes the files for me?
[06:29] <hyperair> does anybody here have an intel 965 GPU? if so, can someone run "glxinfo | grep MAX_TEXTURE" and tell me the output?
[06:29] <hyperair> sorry i meant "glxinfo -l | grep GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE"
[06:42] <TychoQuad> Hi, I'm having a really strange and annoying problem. My computer is randomly restarting all the time. there appears to be no correlation between when it happens and what I am doing. I have run every hardware test i can think of, I can reproduce it on hardy fully updated and ibex (livecd included). i haven't been able to reproduce on windows, hardy live cd or without running a window manager
[06:44] <TychoQuad> oh, and nothing is showing up in the logs
[07:22] <Polygon89> hi, i cannot install the pacakge g77, it keeps saying it has no installation candidate, can anyone help me?
[07:23] <wgrant> Polygon89: Use gfortran instead.
[07:23] <wgrant> g77 is dead
[07:23] <Polygon89> is it the same package? im being told to install it to compile a certain program
[07:23] <Polygon89> (g77)
[07:24] <wgrant> Using gfortran is your best bet.
[07:24] <wgrant> It might not work, however.
[07:24] <wgrant> g77 is really old and it finally got killed in Intrepid.
[07:25] <Polygon89> ok
[07:25] <Polygon89> ill try it without it
[07:38] <TychoQuad> okay, I may have narrowed my problem down to a component of Gnome, possibly nautilus
[07:41] <hyperair> TychoQuad: i don't think nautilus can restart your system. by restarting what dyou mean? dump you back in the login screen, or a similar effect to hitting the restart button?
[07:43] <TychoQuad> restart button. and i agree, but it's one of the only thing running in every case
[07:44] <hyperair> hmmm
[07:47] <TychoQuad> I installed and am currently running kubuntu on top so far without incident. I previously tried icewm which used nautilus for the file manager and it happened there too
[07:49] <hyperair> huh
[07:49] <hyperair> that's very strange
[07:49] <hyperair> what's your version of nautilus?
[07:49] <TychoQuad> whatever one is in ibex right now
[07:50] <TychoQuad> but it also happened with the one that is in the most up to date version of hardy
[07:52] <Polygon89> wgrant, the program seemed to of compiled fine without g77. thanks =)
[07:53] <hyperair> TychoQuad: i don't know the version on hardy
[07:53] <hyperair> TychoQuad: apt-cache policy nautilus
[07:53] <wgrant> Polygon89: Excellent.
[07:54] <Polygon89> wgrant, i think ive seen your name on the forums as a ubuntu dev...where would be the best place to go for help on how to do a kernel bisect? i apparantly need to do one to figure out which revision totally borked support for a specific laptop chipset but i have no idea how to do one
[07:54] <TychoQuad> i'm not currently running hardy, i upgraded to ibex to hopefully fix the problem.
[07:55] <wgrant> Polygon89: I may be an Ubuntu dev, but that doesn't mean I know *everything*. The kernel is one of my deliberate blind patches.
[07:55] <TychoQuad> the version in ibex is 1:2.24.0-0ubuntu2
[07:56] <Polygon89> wgrant, you mean ubuntu devs arnt gods? you just destroyed my perception on life itself. Lol, ok ill ask around
[07:56] <drakeman> f
[07:56] <wgrant> Polygon89: Haha. Good luck.
[07:57] <drakeman> hello, people, hey, just want to say hello to all, recently i installed my ubuntu, so far is great! i love it! i tried mandriva and fedora, but now i feel more comfortable with ubuntu
[07:58] <wgrant> drakeman: That's great to hear! We do our best to make the experience excellent.
[07:59] <Hobbsee> wgrant: oh dear.  you're noticed on the forums.
[07:59] <drakeman> you welcome wgrant, im newbie, but every distro i tried before was redhat based, but i think i feel better with debian based
[07:59] <drakeman> hehe
[07:59] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I've only a little over half of your post count, IIRC.
[07:59] <drakeman> dont know why, but i feel better, this is my third day with ubuntu..
[08:00] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that's scary..
[08:06] <edgy> isn't ubuntu final coming in the coming days? how come it's still beta? when would we have the RC's?
[08:07] <wgrant> edgy: Ubuntu 8.10 will be released on 2008/10/30.
[08:07] <wgrant> Ubuntu 8.10 Release Candidate will be released on 2008/10/23, I believe.
[08:07] <Sebastian> Still only 11 days before final.
[08:09] <edgy> my main issue now is I have to applets for network connection one coming from kde and the other from gnome and the one from gnome prevents the one from kde from working, is it only me?
[08:09] <edgy> s/to/two
[08:09] <TychoQuad> anyone have any idea why nautilus could be resetting my computer?
[08:10] <wgrant> TychoQuad: Due to a kernel bug.
[08:11] <Polygon89> hmm. one more thing befor ei head off to bed, where did the suspend and hibernate buttons go?
[08:11] <TychoQuad> really? any idea if it's going to be fixed any time soon?
[08:11] <wgrant> TychoQuad: I didn't know it existed until you mentioned it.
[08:11] <wgrant> But if something is causing your computer to reset, it's very probably somebody pushing the reset button, Alt+SysRq+B, or a kernel bug.
[08:13] <TychoQuad> okay, i don't really like the idea of running kde forever, any way i could work around this?
[08:14] <allup> how can i downgrade back to hardy?
[08:14] <wgrant> allup: You cannot, unless you reinstall.
[08:14] <allup> :(
[08:14] <wgrant> allup: Why do you wish to?
[08:14] <wgrant> We go stable in 11 days.
[08:15] <allup> this isn't working
[08:15] <allup> it have freeze now 3 times
[08:15] <Hobbsee> it sits on the couch all day, yes.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> bad release.
[08:15] <allup> leafes keyboard light flashing and nothing happens on screen
[08:16] <allup> then i have to shut down my computer and then next time i come i have to restart it before i can use kubuntu :P
[08:16] <wgrant> allup: That would be a kernel panic. Have you tried to boot an older kenrel?
[08:16] <allup> wgrand dunno even how to do that
[08:17] <wgrant> allup: You should have a kernel named like 2.6.24 in your boot menu, if you've upgraded from hardy.
[08:17] <TychoQuad> wgrant, i tried that as well, no luck
[08:17] <allup> no theres only inderpid 4 times and xp professional
[08:18] <allup> oh and memtest
[08:18] <allup> :P
[08:19] <Polygon89> hi, how do i suspend or hibernate ubuntu? im not seeing the entries in the new little quit button applet
[08:19] <wgrant> Polygon89: Do you see them in System->Preferences->Shutdown...?
[08:19] <wgrant> Er.
[08:19] <wgrant> s/Preferences->//
[08:20] <allup> how can i down grade kde 4 back to what it was before?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> you can't.
[08:20] <Polygon89> i dont see shutdown in system> prefs>
[08:20] <allup> is there anything i can do to get this work?!?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Polygon89: System->Shutdown
[08:21] <Polygon89> i do see it in system> shutdown. there we go..
[08:21] <Polygon89> why is it not in the new quit button applet?
[08:22] <allup> how can i down load opera or firefox whit out going any where whit konquerror
[08:23] <TychoQuad> synaptic
[08:23] <allup> any way from terminal?
[08:23] <TychoQuad> sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <drakeman> Hey another think i love of ubuntu is that there is a lot of help in internet, thats a good think for the newbies like me!
[08:26] <wgrant> Polygon89: It's not there because it's probably failing to interact properly with gdm. It's there for me sometimes but not others.
[08:27] <allup> tychoQuad: from what i see in terminal id say that this is trying to install gnome more then firefox!...
[08:27] <Polygon89> wgrant, hmm. im tired, ill go hunt down to see if there is a bug report for this already. thanks again, goodnight
[08:27] <drakeman> Hey, little dumb question, hehee, when i use the command, wget, for example if i put wget www.google.com from command line, i got a message like html file saved, but i dont know the location of the saved html?
[08:28] <wgrant> drakeman: You'll see line like 2008-10-19 18:27:56 (982 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [5644]
[08:28] <wgrant> 'index.html' is the file.
[08:28] <drakeman> yes, i know, but it saves the file
[08:28] <drakeman> but where?
[08:28] <TychoQuad> allup, firefox requires some gnome components
[08:29] <drakeman> where is the location of the downloade file, indexhtml saved, but where?
[08:29] <drakeman> any folder?
[08:29] <drakeman> specific folder?
[08:29] <wgrant> drakeman: The current directory.
[08:29] <allup> :P  how can i remove kde 4 and install gnome?
[08:29] <wgrant> allup: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <wgrant> !gnome-only
[08:29] <drakeman> ok, thanks!
[08:30] <wgrant> !gnomeonly
[08:30] <drakeman> thanks wgrant
[08:30] <wgrant> Grr.
[08:30] <wgrant> It's here somewhere.
[08:30] <wgrant> !removekde | allup
[08:31] <allup> iam quite new where ans what is debfoster?
[08:31] <allup> *and
[08:31] <wgrant> It's a package.
[08:31] <wgrant> You don't actually need to remove KDE4...
[08:31] <allup> but wouldn't it eate memory  if its under gnome?
[08:31] <wgrant> Only if it's running.
[08:32] <wgrant> Which it won't be, if you start GNOME instead.
[08:32] <allup> but i would liketo remove it fully so that it's impossible that it would start runnig unless i reinstall il
[08:32] <allup> *it
[08:34] <TychoQuad> can dolphin work as gnome's desktop?
[08:34] <allup> how can i made my kubuntu to ubuntu whit out burning ubuntu on disc?
[08:35] <crdlb> TychoQuad: afaik, dolphin doesn't provide a desktop, but you could use it as a file manager
[08:35] <crdlb> not sure why you'd want to though; nautilus and dolphin are rather similar ...
[08:35] <TychoQuad> yes, but nautilus is killing my computer, so i need to replace it
[08:36] <drakeman> i hate nautilus
[08:36] <drakeman> hehe
[08:36] <allup> hmm do you think  apt-get install ubuntu could work?
[08:36] <crdlb> TychoQuad: how did you determine that nautilus is 'killing' your computer?
[08:36] <crdlb> allup: ubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <tdawgedogg> how do i update from 8.04 to 8.10 beta...it says push alt+f2 which brings up run application then type update-manager-d but its not working
[08:37] <allup> crdlb: does it install ubuntu so well that when i start up there reads ubuntu instead of kubuntu?
[08:37] <TychoQuad> crdlb, because after much trial and error, i have discovered that my computer will reset itself after a random interval if nautilus is running
[08:38] <crdlb> allup: iirc, it will ask if you want to change the bootsplash
[08:39] <crdlb> or maybe it does it automatically; in any case, it's definitely possible to do
[08:39] <allup> ok i'll give it a try
[08:39] <crdlb> tdawgedogg: did you omit the space before '-d' when you ran it? it should be 'update-manager -d'
[08:39] <allup> does it remove kubuntus papages and  recover them whit ubuntus?
[08:40] <tdawgedogg> crdld: yeah i did
[08:40] <allup> appereantly it only adds more stuff here and removes nothing
[08:40] <crdlb> allup: nothing will be uninstalled, but unless you are very low on HDD space, that doesn't matter
[08:41] <tdawgedogg> hey if im upgrading to the beta right now....as soon as a stable release comes out will the packages to fix it come up on the update manager?
[08:41] <allup> crdlb: i want that every thing will be unsinstalled asnd it would be like installing ubuntu on kubuntu same time as removing kububntu  fully
[08:41] <crdlb> !final | tdawgedogg
[08:42] <crdlb> (you will be kept up to date)
[08:42] <tdawgedogg> so whats the whole deal with the release of it...the stable version...are they just changing the files in the iso so there all stable
[08:42] <tdawgedogg> as long as i keep up to date with all the updates then im good?
[08:42] <drakeman> hey , thanks for all people! good night! Thanks to all to make part of this great community and your great inconditional support!!!!! Thanks to promote a good M$ alternative..... mm not a good a better alternative.... like i said before, my third day with ubuntu and i didnt miss Vist@ hehehehe
[08:42] <drakeman> good night guys!
[08:43] <allup> hey would it work if i write sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and version number of hardy ? to get this downgrade back to hardy?
[08:43] <crdlb> tdawgedogg: only packages that are actually changed will be updated
[08:43] <drakeman> thanks for all wgrant!
[08:43] <crdlb> allup: that is completely unsupported, and probably wouldn't work without lots of manual effort
[08:43] <allup> crdlb: :P
[08:44] <allup> how can i uninstall kde 4 and leafe whit only terminal so i could  install ubuntu whit all its pagages so that for example default browser would be firefox and not konquerror
[08:45] <crdlb> ...
[08:45] <crdlb> if you boot into the gnome session, it will _not_ matter whether kde is installed
[08:46] <allup> but its therre! isn't it! and if its on my hard disc it will take some memory to keep it there! and i don't want that theres some kde that i will never use stored for nothing!
[08:46] <wgrant> allup: Try GNOME for a while and work out if you like it first.
[08:46] <wgrant> If you do want to move permanently, there are ways to remove KDE.
[08:47] <allup> how?
[08:47] <wgrant> Remove some KDE libs and watch everything cascade. And then work out what is autoremovable.
[08:47] <allup> ...understanded les then half :P
[08:48] <wgrant> Then don't bother. It's only a few hundred megabytes, and you can always remove it later when you're more skilled and running out of space.
[08:48] <allup> ...iam runnig out of space right now!
[08:49] <allup> i don't have even 500mb room lefth
[08:49] <wgrant> Ah. That's one small partition.
[08:49] <crdlb> wow, what size is the hard drive?
[08:49] <wgrant> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, apt-get autoremove, I guess.
[08:49] <allup> ty
[08:49]  * crdlb hopes that doesn't remove too much ...
[08:50] <wgrant> crdlb: You can never remove too much KDE.
[08:50] <allup> :D
[08:50] <crdlb> wgrant: I mean, what prevents that from removing X, etc?
[08:50] <wgrant> crdlb: Probably nothing.
[08:51] <allup> this says it removes 1 file and will release 49.6kb room :P
[08:52] <allup> i think kde should be bigger ?
[08:52] <crdlb> heh, that's just kubuntu-desktop
[08:52] <tab_shift> allup: apt-get remove kde
[08:52] <wgrant> allup: That's why I advised 'apt-get autoremove' afterwards.
[08:52] <crdlb> which is only a metapackage, which means it exists only to depend on the real kde packages
[08:52] <allup> ok..so wich one i do?
[08:52] <tab_shift> allup: apt-get remove kde
[08:53] <wgrant> tab_shift: That's just an even smaller metapackage.
[08:53] <tab_shift> allup: apt-get remove kde4
[08:53] <crdlb> ...
[08:53] <wgrant> And that's a non-existent package.
[08:53] <wgrant> Even better.
[08:53] <tab_shift> allup: apt-get remove kde3
[08:54] <crdlb> now you're just guessing
[08:54] <wgrant> apt-get remove tab_shift
[08:54] <allup> some one tell me  sost  write in termina (command) plz!
[08:54] <tab_shift> yeah .. pretty much
[08:54] <wgrant> allup: apt-get autoremove
[08:54] <tab_shift> apt-cache search kde
[08:54] <wgrant> I invoke my Ubuntu developer superpowers and win.
[08:54] <allup> wgrant: you won! :D
[08:55] <allup> well ..... now i think it didn't work
[08:55] <allup> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:55] <tab_shift> allup: do apt-cache search kde
[08:55] <tab_shift> allup: then remove tha packages that show up as installed
[08:55] <wgrant> allup: Did you remove kubuntu-desktop first?
[08:56] <allup> no? should i?
[08:57] <wgrant> allup: Yes. It won't work otherwise.
[08:57] <allup> ok
[08:57] <allup> after that can i still use konversation?
[08:58] <allup> i don't think i  can get ubuntu on whit out help :P
[08:58] <wgrant> allup: No, you won't be able to.
[08:58] <allup> daam....
[08:58] <wgrant> Why do you have so little disk space?
[08:58] <allup> what commands i need?
[08:58] <allup> well my windows takes  so much for games and stuff :P
[08:59] <wgrant> allup: After you apt-get autoremove, just 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[08:59] <allup> wow nearly 10GB flight simulator 3 GB
[08:59] <allup> ok
[09:00] <allup> wgrant: didn't work nothing have changed
[09:00] <freaky_t> Sysinfo for 'loopy': Linux 2.6.27-7-generic running KDE 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2), CPU<EMAIL_ADDRESS>at 1603 MHz (4788 bogomips), HD: 91/611GB, RAM: 1106/3038MB, 158 proc's, 14.10min up
[09:00] <freaky_t> :D
[09:00] <wgrant> allup: You removed kubuntu-desktop, then autoremoved?/
[09:00] <wgrant> win 10
[09:00] <wgrant> Dan.
[09:00] <allup> yes
[09:00] <wgrant> Gaah.
[09:01] <wgrant> I screwd my kbord drivers.
[09:01] <allup> :P
[09:01] <wgrant> Ehem. Let's try that again.
[09:01] <TychoQuad> wgrant, will ibex work ok with hardy's original kernel?
[09:01] <allup> i go eate i'll be back soon
[09:01] <tab_shift> allup: how much space do you want to free up?
[09:01] <wgrant> TychoQuad: Yes.
[09:02] <wgrant> TychoQuad: Except for nvidia/ati proprietary drivers, of course.
[09:02] <maek0> is the Ibex shipping with the 2.6.27 Linux Kernel ??
[09:02] <wgrant> maek0: Yes.
[09:03] <TychoQuad> it's okay, they're not too friendly in ibex anyway
[09:04] <TychoQuad> the config panel always crashes whenever i tell it to save my settings for dual monitors
[09:04] <maek0> wgrant, thanks ... Im just reading a great article on the 2.6.27 Linux Kernel ... I suggest everyone reads it  http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_five_best_things_in_linux_2_6_27
[09:04] <allup> iam back
[09:04] <wgrant> TychoQuad: They're not too friendly anywhere.
[09:04] <allup> can you be too friendly?
[09:05] <wgrant> I'm sure I can manage it.
[09:05] <allup> any way i thik i install xubuntu i have in disc i should work better then kubuntu
[09:06] <TychoQuad> wgrant, where could i find hardy's release kernel? it doesn't appear to be in synaptic
[09:06] <allup> i'll be back after that :P
[09:06] <tab_shift> allup: if you have less disk space, start install with debian business card iso, and install only the packages you need
[09:07] <allup> i have 8GB space after formatign kubuntu it should be enought
[09:07] <wgrant> tab_shift: Debian is not the solution.
[09:07] <wgrant> TychoQuad: You'll need to grab it from Launchpad, most likely.
[09:07] <tab_shift> ubuntu install should only take 4.5Gb max, what diod you do ?
[09:08] <allup> :D install kubuntu :P
[09:08] <allup> and it crash in midle of installation :D
[09:08] <tab_shift> allup: partition details ?
[09:08] <allup> dunno even how i get it crash :P
[09:08] <allup> ?
[09:09] <allup> well iam going to install now see you gues later
[09:09] <tab_shift> allup: something is wrong in how you installed the OS,
[09:09] <allup> ?
[09:10] <tab_shift> allup: exactly, without more info this issue will forever remaina mystery to us
[09:11] <elmargol> maek0: ? basically 2.6.27 has nothing new
[09:11] <tab_shift> allup: please practice ubuntu install process within vmware or something, before doing a real install to learn all the options available
[09:11] <allup> everything crases in my hands it's not new and i didn't do anything when it did  i was sot selecting  my hmm dunno the word time zone? and i goed to eate i comed back and nothing moved i couldn't choose anything and  after while it telled its not responsing :P and  that i should terminate it :P
[09:12] <allup> i have installed xubuntu before it worked fine :D
[09:12] <tab_shift> allup: goodluck then
[09:12] <allup> thankx
[09:13] <elmargol> maek0: the only 2 big changes since hardy for me are. dkms and faster wlan connectivity
[09:16] <TychoQuad> sorry to be a pain wgrant, but i'm having trouble finding what i want on launchpad. can you point out the hardy kernel for me?
[09:18] <wgrant> TychoQuad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux might be useful.
[09:18] <wgrant> You need linux-image, probably linux-ubuntu-modules, maybe linux-restricted-modules.
[09:21] <TychoQuad> okay, going from source to usable, screw that. can i remove nautilus without breaking ibex's ubuntu-desktop?
[09:23] <wgrant> TychoQuad: Are you quite sure it's nautilus?
[09:23] <wgrant> TychoQuad: It's probably a better idea to get the bug fixed...
[09:24] <maek0> elmargol, oh okay ... I suppose theres a few bug fixes that would be good
[09:24] <TychoQuad> i agree, if we can do that, i will be immensely happy, but since i have no way of narrowing this down furthur, it's not going to be fixed via any report i make
[09:26] <vertisvas> hello, I have a quick question. I have tried the rtl8187.ko driver for a 8189 usb wireless device, and it works fine but it only allows me access to channels 1-10, is there a way to override domains on wireless drivers? or a global way to set domains?
[09:27] <maek0> Does DKMS mean that when there is a kernel update it wont break my graphics drivers and virtualbox install ??
[09:28] <wgrant> maek0: Yes.
[09:31] <maek0> wgrant, omg thats a nice feature !!
[09:32] <maek0> it would make it much easier for the ubuntu kernel devs to issue kernel level security updates
[09:38] <TychoQuad> wgrant, I'm just about to put pcman file manager in place of nautilus, if it doesn't crash, then we shall have our evidence
[09:39] <TychoQuad> man kde is ugly... i can't wait to get rid of it
[09:41] <tab_shift> TychoQuad: could you post that in #kde , we are too tired to flame you ;-)
[09:42] <maek0> so what are ppl here going to do ... wipe their drives and install the Ibex clean or upgrade from Hardy ??
[09:42] <maek0> ... when the Ibex comes out
[09:43] <TychoQuad> right now i'm tempted to go back to hardy and turn off all updates
[09:43]  * wgrant upgraded 5 months ago.
[09:45] <vertisvas> I prefer clean install so I backup important home stuff and install from scratch
[09:50] <toomai> hi all
[09:51] <toomai> anyone got a lenovo thinpad x200 with x4500 graphics running with intrepid (or hardy)? It runs, but it looks a tad blurry (its only 1024x768, could be better)
[09:51] <elmargol> TychoQuad: hardy is a LTS. so why not keep using it if you like it.
[09:52] <TychoQuad> because the crash happens there too when fully updated
[09:55] <TychoQuad> believe me, i would like nothing better than to have this issue resolved, but so far, all I've had is "it can't be nautilus" and "must be a hardware problem" more recently i have better help, but still nothing that would allow me to even approach solving this issue
[10:07] <vertisvas> does anyone know anything about setting wireless domains in ubuntu? like a global variable somewhere?
[10:07] <puremichael> Hi! Since intrepid most of my location entries start totem instead of nautilus - can i change that behavior ?
[10:09] <malnilion> I'm having issues with switching to a guest user.  I click Guest Session from the fast-user-switching applet and the screen goes white as if it were opening a new X session or something and then it flashes back to the lock screen asking for my password to get back into my user session
[10:09] <elmargol> TychoQuad: do you have a bugreport about it? I did not follow the problem
[10:11] <vertisvas> night
[10:13] <TychoQuad> no, i haven't nailed down enough to file a bug report. what happens is: my computer will randomly restart as if i hit the reset switch. it has nothing to do with whatever i'm doing, i can reproduce it in a fully up to date hardy, icewm running nautilus and the latest ibex (including the ibex livecd) i haven't been able to reproduce it in windows, hardy live cd, kubuntu ibex or icewm running pcmanfm
[10:13] <elmargol> TychoQuad: are you using nvidia or ati closed source drivers?
[10:14] <elmargol> TychoQuad: do you use composite?
[10:14] <toomai> anyone got a lenovo thinpad x200 with x4500 graphics running with intrepid (or hardy)? It runs, but it looks a tad blurry (its only 1024x768, could be better)
[10:14] <TychoQuad> i have reproduced the crash with both of those switched off
[10:15] <elmargol> TychoQuad: if you ask me it is hardware related. if it is software related the system hangs and does not reboot
[10:15] <elmargol> maybe overheating
[10:17] <TychoQuad> i've been over this. if it was hardware related, i would be able to reproduce it in windows. i've been able to run for days in windows without a problem running any 3d software i like. i can't last 5 minutes in ibex and my temperature monitors in both operating systems show no overheating
[10:17] <elmargol> TychoQuad: My nvidia GPU crashes if i use linux. works perfect under windows.
[10:17] <malnilion> Ah, disregard my problem, I figured it out :D
[10:18] <TychoQuad> does it still crash if you don't run the nvidia drivers?
[10:18] <malnilion> I had previously created a "guest" user account on my laptop that was interfering with the creation of the guest session
[10:18] <elmargol> TychoQuad: no the problem is related to the nividia powermixer. somehow the driver clocks the memory wrong
[10:20] <elmargol> TychoQuad: i have clocked the GPU and memory to 100mhz now... no crash for 2 days
[10:20] <elmargol> + the GPU is about 10°C cooler and the battery lasts longer :D
[10:22] <TychoQuad> so your problem does still happen when you don't run nvidia's drivers?
[10:22] <elmargol> TychoQuad: well if I manually clock the GPU and use the free drivers the GPU crashes too
[10:23] <elmargol> If i just use the free drivers it works just perfekt.
[10:23] <elmargol> In order to save power and to use the fan less. Nvidia clocks the GPU down. and there has to be a bug
[10:25] <TychoQuad> please just answer the question. if you have no driver configured, and the graphics card is displaying with the kernel's built in basic display driver, can you reproduce the crash?
[10:25] <elmargol> TychoQuad: you mean nv or vesa?
[10:27] <TychoQuad> vesa
[10:27] <elmargol> TychoQuad: vesa works fine
[10:27] <TychoQuad> right, well I'm saying i can reproduce the crash in vesa
[10:29] <TychoQuad> and there goes my nautilus theory
[10:34] <daveyboy> !ati
[10:39] <dns53> i can't seem to manually change my network settings with network manager as that device's config is read only this is a usbnetworking device produced by a neo freerunner, any ideas where i should file the bug? is it network manager or something deeper like udev that is at fault?
[11:07] <emilien_> hello!
[11:07] <emilien_> need little help sorting out sound driver
[11:08] <emilien_> made a thread at ubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5988871
[11:08] <emilien_> no one aswered though someone could have a look =)
[11:20] <freaky_t> where can i file a kubuntu bug in launchpad?
[11:20] <freaky_t> kdevelop can't compile programs
[11:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> freaky_t: report in the source package of kdevelop
[11:26] <cypherdelic> Anyone now anthing more than I about the current gamepad bugs? :) please tell me that, thanks.
[11:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if you google for kdevelop launchpad bug chances are that you'll find some :)
[11:27] <cypherdelic> Gamepads still dont work in games.
[11:29] <freaky_t> i can't find a link where i can report a bug for kdevelop
[11:29] <freaky_t> i see some kdevelop bugs listed now
[11:39] <freaky_t> ok i filed a bug report :D
[11:46] <MTeck> An installation step failed - "Select and install software"
[11:46] <MTeck> in the current alternate cd
[11:46] <MTeck> any ideas what's causing that? do I NEED to to have internet access on the system?
[11:52] <tdi_k> hi! I've got a strange problem - ubuntu tries to mount my fat32 USB Stick as UDF or ISO. Does it both with gnome and kde4.
[11:52] <tdi_k> The stick has one partition formated with mkfs.vfat
[11:55] <tdi_k> and works normally on 8.04.1 with kde3 ... Ideas how I can make intrepid mount the disk automaticaly ? "mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt" works, so it's kind of system issue
[11:55] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/284951 - Any ideas?
[12:24] <methril|laptop> someone up
[12:29] <Nhorning> Hey
[12:29] <Nhorning> Anybody know how I configure my Logout menu?
[12:35] <cypherdelic> Anyone familar with xserver-xorg-input-evdev or-joystick detecting gamepads?
[13:06] <larson9999> youtube works here but hulu doesn't :(
[13:13] <shirish> hi all, just updated and ran system-cleaner-gtk, it shows something like 200 odd packages deprecated, is another rebuild on the way?
[13:16] <methril|laptop> hi, any clue to fix the MacBookPro keyboards?
[13:32] <ronny> moin
[13:32] <xukun> hi all. How can I enable the tv-out of my ati card?
[13:33] <ronny> anyone aware of bugs that cause gnome/xfce to loose all window decorations and start all apps maximized?
[13:35] <illumini> hey intrepid ppl :D
[13:35] <illumini> is there a displayconfig-gtk alternative? I can't locate the package anywhere for 8.1 :(
[13:35] <illumini> (btw, I'm a first time nix user)
[13:36] <cwillu_remote> (8.10, not 8.1)
[13:36] <cwillu_remote> (8.ten)
[13:36] <IdleOne> why do people drop the 0?
[13:36] <illumini> ooooo...
[13:37] <illumini> well, it's very cool
[13:37] <illumini> because we're lazy
[13:37] <cwillu_remote> illumini, should probably stick with 8.04 for now, or wait until 8.10 is released in 2 weeks
[13:37] <illumini> and zeros aren't cool anymore.
[13:37] <cwillu_remote> '8.1' would be january 2008
[13:37] <illumini> cwillu_remote, too late. I've already installed it and love it
[13:37] <cwillu_remote> this isn't january
[13:37] <IdleOne> illumini: there are 10 kinds of people. those who understand and those who dont.
[13:38] <freaky_t> 8.10 he means :D
[13:38] <freaky_t> :p
[13:38] <illumini> IdleOne, I'm 1 of them
[13:38] <illumini> :D
[13:38] <cwillu_remote> illumini, okay, but at this point, we're in 'if you aren't helping us fight bugs, you're part of the problem' mode :p
[13:38] <illumini> ok
[13:38] <illumini> sorry for disturbing, if I find any bugs I'll let you guys now
[13:38] <illumini> *no
[13:38] <illumini> *know
[13:38] <illumini> :(
[13:38] <freaky_t> ;p
[13:38] <cwillu_remote> illumini, gnome-display-properties is what you're looking for I think though
[13:38] <illumini> cwillu_remote, cheers :)
[13:38] <TychoQuad> thanks for your help everyone (if you guys are even still here) I probably found the cause of my issues. the motherboard just died :(
[13:41] <cwillu_remote> yay!  /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.* has broken symlinks!
[13:42] <cwillu_remote> still not sure why I'm the only one with this problem, because as far as I can tell, it couldn't have ever worked as is :/
[13:42] <xukun> can somebody please tell me what to enable the tv-out for my ati card. I,m using the Proprietary drivers
[13:43]  * cwillu_remote demonstrates the problem to illumini by pointing at xukun :(
[13:43] <cwillu_remote> xukun, iirc, man fglrx should have enough clues to make it work, I think you need to use xrandr instead of xorg.conf though
[13:43] <cwillu_remote> that might only be the 'ati' driver though
[13:44] <cwillu_remote> best bet would be to look at ati's site for fglrx documentation
[13:44] <xukun> cwillu_remote,  is it really that hard
[13:44] <cwillu_remote> xukun, what?
[13:44] <cwillu_remote> oh, enabling it?
[13:45] <xukun> yes
[13:45] <cwillu_remote> probably not, but we're not exactly in 'support mode' yet :p
[13:45] <cwillu_remote> aka, all the helpful people who know all the answers are in #ubuntu, and don't know the answers for #ubuntu+1 yet
[13:45] <mnemo> im upgrading to intrepid pre-release now and it's asking me some strange question about "What to do with menu.lst?" ..... ehm, what is the answer to this question??
[13:46] <Hobbsee> tell it you want to take the package maintainers version
[13:46] <cwillu_remote> mnemo, 'replace', unless you needed to make grub changes at some point to makesomethingwork
[13:46]  * cwillu_remote curses at his space bar
[13:46] <mnemo> i think I changed this file some time to fix some grub error 11 or something?
[13:46] <cwillu_remote> mnemo, are you comfortable that you'll be able to fix it again?
[13:47] <ronny> again: anyone aware of a bug that causes gnome/xfce to drop window decorations and start all apps maximized?!
[13:47] <jrib> mnemo: I make a backup of the file somewhere
[13:47] <cwillu_remote> you have a fairly good idea of what you did last time?
[13:47] <cwillu_remote> ronny, -> launchpad
[13:47] <ronny> cwillu_remote: i failed at searching
[13:47] <cwillu_remote> ronny, probably not, if nobody is responding
[13:47] <cwillu_remote> ronny, then file a bug :p
[13:47] <mnemo> okay, yeah... i always get really worried when I see some menu.lst.... i really would like it if ubuntu just did this stuff automagically in some smart way :)
[13:47] <ronny> and it might be a local thing
[13:48]  * cwillu_remote high-fives cwillu
[13:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> ronny, I haven't noticed a bug like that
[13:49] <shirish> hi all, dhcbd is obsoleted, obsoleted by what?
[14:03] <DSpair> Hi gang, I have bought a "netbook" for my Dad. It has a Broadcom BCM4309 Wireless card. Ubuntu loads up the restricted driver for it, but I can neither browse networks nor connect to networks. Is this a known issue in Intrepid?
[14:04] <DSpair> When I check the logs, it shows that the WPA supplicant fails to get the connection keys right.
[14:04] <defrysk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/182716
[14:04] <DSpair> Bummer.
[14:05] <DSpair> OK, then unencrypted networks should still work, and they don't.
[14:19] <DSpair> OK, Interesting. I read bug #277716 and found out that toggling the wifi kill switch will not change the LED status, but does enable the card and things work now.
[14:19] <DSpair> Weird.
[14:20] <DSpair> Thanks for the help!!
[14:23] <giujtrloy> ciao
[14:23] <giujtrloy> qualcuna mi sa dire dove posso prendere  ubuntu per smartphones
[14:24] <giujtrloy> precisamente  per htc-s620
[14:24] <jf> Odd, installed 8.10 on three machines and one of them is unable to update. Get the message "`cpp-4.3' is missing final newline".
[14:24] <jf> Tried to reinstall cpp but got the same message when trying that.
[14:25] <gnyffel> Quick question: for trying out 8.10, would I be better off with the beta release, or would a daily be better?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> giujtrloy: and in english?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> gnyffel: beta - i'tll actually install
[14:25] <gnyffel> Right. Thanks.
[14:26] <kulight> could it be that launchpad is down ?
[14:27] <charlie-tca> kulight, launchpad is working for me
[14:28] <kulight> charlie-tca: now it's alive again thank you
[14:29] <giujtrloy> no speak inglish
[14:30] <giujtrloy> only italian
[14:31] <Hobbsee> !it | giujtrloy
[14:32] <kulight> !il
[14:32] <kulight> !smoke
[14:33] <puremichael> hello; again i've got problems with 'places' in the panel... most entries start totem instead of nautilus
[14:33] <puremichael> can i change that behavior ?
[14:34] <giujtrloy> ok
[14:34] <giujtrloy> grazie
[14:34] <mnemo> how can I get a stacktrace out of a hung python application?
[14:36] <SIRavecavec> Hi i cannot upgrade to 8.10 kubuntu i receive the error that the installer could not be verified. What can i do?
[14:44] <john_> has anyone gottem daul pci-e nvidia cards working?
[14:45] <amikrop> So, finally, will Wall-Light be the default theme for Intrepid? :-)
[14:45] <amikrop> I find it totally beautiful.
[14:46] <SIRavecavec> amikrop: you upgrade it?
[14:46] <kulight> amikrop: what is Wall-Light ?
[14:47] <kulight> !Wall-Light
[14:47] <amikrop> kulight: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Wall-light
[14:47] <amikrop> SIRavecavec: Excuse me?
[14:48] <SIRavecavec> i asked if you upgrade to beta
[14:49] <amikrop> SIRavecavec: No, I have not.
[14:49] <SIRavecavec> Ok
[14:49] <amikrop> kulight: Awesome, huh? ;-)
[14:51] <kulight> amikrop: yes very nice and im not a fan of dark themes
[14:52] <kulight> amikrop: also im on the beta and it not the default
[14:52] <amikrop> kulight: Oh :S
[14:53] <pawan> hi
[14:53] <amikrop> Anyway, I really believe, if Ubuntu wants to make the difference, and really compete Vista and MacOS, it needs not just to "use GNOME", but to come by default, with a very costomized, simple, beautiful and different GDM theme, which will make it unique.
[14:54] <robin0800> amikrop: try kde4?
[14:56] <amikrop> robin0800: That's not my point.
[15:00] <danbh_intrepid> is anyone else having trouble ejecting a cd?
[15:02] <kulight> danbh_intrepid: yes it opens and immediately close the trey
[15:03] <danbh_intrepid> well, I found the bug report 271202
[15:03] <danbh_intrepid> bug 271202  !!!!
[15:04] <kulight> thank you
[15:04] <IdleOne> cd eject works fine on laptop
[15:05] <IdleOne> least mine
[15:07] <danbh_intrepid> IdleOne: can your laptop pull the cd-rom back in?  mechanically speaking?
[15:07] <IdleOne> danbh_intrepid: no it can't
[15:07] <SIRavecavec> :)
[15:08] <kulight> IdleOne: thats why you dont have the problem
[15:08] <IdleOne> so the issue is not eject but more the short amount of time between eject and insert
[15:08] <danbh_intrepid> as soon as the cd drive fully extends, it starts closing again.
[15:10] <sourcemaker> I am using kubuntu intrepid now... but I have a lot of gfx related problems... the screen repaint is very slow... and sometimes... it hangs... (NVidia 7600GT)
[15:14] <danbh_intrepid> sourcemaker: MY short answer, is that there is a bug already filed, its a problem with compiz.  But, don't take my word for it.
[15:16] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid: ok
[15:18]  * cwillu hits eject on his cd
[15:18]  * cwillu 's nautilus eject icon didn't do anything
[15:20] <Kajover> hey.. i downloaded the ubuntu 8.10 beta but the wlan doesnt work (macbook pro). Is there a newer ubuntu than the beta?
[15:21] <wtgee> Kajover: Did you check the restricted drivers? They will  not be enabled by defalt
[15:21] <Kajover> i am new the linux.. no
[15:22] <Kajover> why shouldnt wlan drivers be enabled by default and its a macbook.. not the only one with this issue
[15:22] <wtgee> Kajover: System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[15:22] <wtgee> Kajover: They are not Free (as in speech) so they are not enabled.
[15:23] <Kajover> and how do i enable them?.. im not on ubuntu right now.. is it self explaining when i see it
[15:24] <wtgee> Kajover: It should be pretty straightforward once you are there...you will see any drivers that are available but not turned on by default and you just hit 'Activate'
[15:24] <Kajover> ok
[15:24] <blip99> hi all, is it recommended to use 8.10 Beta and then update to the final when it comes out ?  or do people usually do a clean install ?   thanks
[15:24] <Kajover> is there anything newer than the beta?
[15:24] <Kajover> because ill download it right now
[15:25] <Kajover> or is the stable 8.04 release enough?
[15:25] <wtgee> Kajover: No, I think only Beta 1 is out.  It will also tell you when any new updates are available and that will bring you up to speed
[15:26] <kulight> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/
[15:26] <Kajover> so.. i should install the 8.10 beta and check if the drivers are enabled
[15:26] <Kajover> thank you..
[15:26] <Kajover> and after installing this build
[15:26] <wtgee> Kajover: You should be able to test it with the livecd without actually installing.
[15:27] <Kajover> will it update automatically and only update stable updates afterwards
[15:27] <Kajover> oh k
[15:27] <danbh_intrepid> blip99: the beta is for testing purposes.     I personally plan to wipe, and do a clean install when it comes out, or maybe just upgrade my hardy install.  I dunno.  The release candidate is right around the corner.  I recommend you wait for that
[15:27] <wtgee> Kajover: The drivers will not ever be enabled by default on any version of Ubuntu.
[15:27] <Kajover> ok thank you
[15:28] <wtgee> blip99: You shouldn't have to do a clean install (I asked this last week) but I sort of plan to anyway.
[15:28] <blip99> thanks wtgee
[15:28] <Kajover> would be great if ubuntu would check what hardware your system has and enable everything it needs
[15:29] <wtgee> Kajover: Again, it is a legal issue.  It is not a technical issue.  It should actually prompt you that non-free drivers are available but it is never going to do it by default.
[15:29] <Kajover> oh sorry didnt read that
[15:30] <Kajover> just one more thing.. which build is for me?
[15:30] <Kajover> the link displays only alternate install cds
[15:30] <wtgee> Kajover: FYI, you will find the same issue with mp3s and dvds.  They are not going to be playable by default but they should be easily enabled.
[15:31] <wtgee> Does anyone have a link to a page that quickly and sufficiently summarizes the issues around non-free software on Ubuntu?
[15:32] <freaky_t> how can i play mp3s in intrepid?
[15:32] <freaky_t> it stopped working a week or so ago
[15:33] <Kajover> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ i have a core 2 duo.. is it the 64-bit pc although its amd64?
[15:33] <Kajover> i know it sounds stupid.. just making sure
[15:33] <blip99> can i get *most of* the power and coolness of KDE4 which comes on 8.10... by simply installing packages on 8.04 ? or there is more updated things with kde in 8.10 ?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> vb6admin
[15:34]  * charlie-tca sorry, wrong keyboard
[15:34] <danbh_intrepid> blip99: why not just install 8.10?
[15:34] <wtgee> Kajover: Yes, it is.  Note that 64bit is always a little behind 32 bit.  I am running the 64 bit now but once the release comes out I am probably switching to 32bit just because it makes some things a little smoother and there is not a huge performance difference at this point.
[15:34] <minimec> Kajover: 64 is for amd64. You will have dome problems with ati fglrx dirvers and flash player..., as there are no 64 versions for some software.
[15:35] <Kajover> its just confusing because the intel x86 version is for "newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors", but the amd64 version is for Core 2 architecture
[15:35] <blip99> danbh_intrepid: i want to...the 8.10 Beta is geat :)       but i'm developing a software system in C/C++/Java and other which is targeted to run on a specific 8.04 machine... so i need my development machine to run 8.04 too for max compatiblity
[15:35] <Kajover> ok.. so the x86 edition thank you
[15:35] <wtgee> Kajover: I would probably recommend just doing the 32 bit.
[15:35] <danbh_intrepid> blip99: but I think the answer is that, while you can do whatever you want with your computer, there is no testing of installing packages like that.  Nor will there be fixes.   Er, there are fixes, but those fixes are included with the rest of 8.10.  See, if you upgrade every single package in 8.04, that IS 8.10
[15:36] <Kajover> thank you very much.. im installing cu
[15:37] <danbh_intrepid> blip99: there is already an unofficial release of kde4 for 8.04 on the kubuntu website, but I have no idea if it works that well.
[15:37] <blip99> danbh_intrepid: ye thats a community remix. i can't risk it :)
[15:39] <danbh_intrepid> blip99: well, installing 8.10 packages on 8.04 is even more risky.  Thats your own personal remix, so to speak
[15:40] <blip99> danbh_intrepid: hmmm,  so you're saying the 8.04 repos don't have KDE4 ?  or you mean the libraries underneath are meant for 8.10 ?   so installing kde4 on 8.04 will be almost like a distro upgrade .... hmmm,  i'm thinking of just sticking to kde3 then
[15:45] <sourcemaker> "apt-get install kde" tries to install the following wrong packages: kdewebdev-kde4 kfilereplace-kde4 kimagemapeditor-kde4 klinkstatus-kde4
[15:48] <jemark> is the cpu usage for pulsaudio
[15:49] <jemark> would the cpu usage for pulsaudio lower in intrepid final?
[15:50] <cwillu> jemark, unlikely, unless you're seeing something obscene or can otherwise demonstrate a bug
[15:53] <jemark> cwillu: rhythmbox is using about 15% in intrepid versus 1% in hardy...
[15:54] <cwillu> jemark, rhythmbox or pulseaudio?
[15:54] <jemark> cwillu: with me... the same confugration and the same rhythmbox version
[15:54] <cwillu> if it's the rhythmbox process, it's probably not pulseaudio at fault
[15:55] <jemark> cwillu: in intrepid... pulseaudio is froced with rhythmbox
[15:55] <cwillu> jemark, yes, but that doesn't mean it's pulseaudio
[15:55] <cwillu> pulseaudio's fault, rather
[15:56] <jemark> cwillu: in hardy, i use alsa... in intrepid i use alsa in gstreaming properties as well... but in intrepid, i can still see pulsaudio in the processes but in hardy the pulseaudio is on in the processes with "top".
[15:56] <cwillu> sorry?  couldn't parse that
[15:59] <jemark> cwillu: rhythmbox is using about 15% in intrepid versus 1% in hardy... that's the buttomline... i don't care if it is pulseaudio's fault or it is the fact that pulseaudio is forced on intrepid. the fact is that a simple mp3 file gives a high cpu usage...
[15:59] <jemark> intel duo 2 1.6 Ghz - 15%
[16:00] <thunderstruck> disable it and use something else
[16:01]  * cwillu recommends banshee :p
[16:01] <thunderstruck> PA is not forced on you. its enabled
[16:01] <cwillu> jemark, is gstreamer-properties set to use alsa right now?
[16:02] <cwillu> if so, you're going through a compatability layer which may the the cause.  Set it to pulseaudio, restart rhythmbox, and see if rhythmbox still uses too much cpu
[16:02] <thunderstruck> as i recall !pulseaudio has options to enable disable ect... if you run into needing help
[16:03] <cwillu> thunderstruck, on the otherhand, people testing prereleases should be trying to nail down the pulseaudio issues, so that disabling isn't necessary
[16:03] <cwillu> we're not talking about audio recording here :)
[16:03] <thunderstruck> cwillu: they should yes but i doubt its PA causing the issues
[16:04] <cwillu> thunderstruck, I think I said that :p
[16:04] <thunderstruck> im on a P4 1.7 and no problems here
[16:04] <cwillu> haven't had any issues with other gstreamer apps either (don't use rhythmbox myself)
[16:04] <thunderstruck> aassuming you didnt update to a version in a PPA
[16:04] <cwillu> jemark, bug #277243
[16:04] <cwillu> bah
[16:05] <cwillu> bug #141390
[16:05] <jemark> ubottu: i diesbled the crossfader for your information...
[16:06] <cwillu> jemark, that was the other duplicate on the first bug
[16:06] <jemark> cwillu: i diesbled the crossfader for your information...
[16:06] <cwillu> jemark, 73744 is the main bug
[16:06] <jemark> cwillu: i know about those bugs...
[16:06] <jemark> cwillu: how could i have 1% usage in rhythmbox in hardy?
[16:06] <cwillu> jemark, um, okay?  Nobody here is going to have any more information on those bugs than is on those pages already :p
[16:07] <cwillu> jemark, is gstreamer-properties set to alsa or pulseaudio right now?
[16:08] <sivel> hello all
[16:08]  * cwillu blinks
[16:09] <jemark> cwillu: i told you that gstreamer-properties are set as ALSA  in Hardy and Intrepid
[16:09] <sivel> has anyone been able to get a logitech communicate stx to workj with skype?
[16:09] <cwillu> jemark, okay, can you set it to pulseaudio, restart rhythmbox and test again?
[16:09] <cwillu> jemark, "sorry, I couldn't parse that" == I didn't understand what you said that time
[16:10] <jemark> cwillu: only Intrepid  FORCES pulseaudio... even if you disable the process in the "session"
[16:10]  * cwillu counts to ten
[16:10]  * cwillu takes a deep breath
[16:10] <cwillu> jemark, if gstreamer is set to alsa, you're going through a compatability layer
[16:10] <jemark> cwillu: at System - Preferences...
[16:11] <cwillu> jemark, please set it to pulseaudio, and retest
[16:12] <jemark> cwillu: the fact is that in Hardy with the same version of Rhythmbox (via a ppa) the cpu usage is 1% an in Intrepid the cpu usage is 15%... i don't mind what layers are being used...
[16:12] <cwillu> jemark, hardy _doesn't_ use an alsa compatability layer (which was the cause of alot of other applications not working properly.  Flash, skype, sdl apps, etc)
[16:13] <cwillu> so under intrepid, you shouldn't be using 'alsa' in gstreamer-properties, because that's actually just an inefficient way of running pulseaudio
[16:14] <cwillu> so again, please set it, restart rhythmbox, and retest
[16:14] <jemark> cwillu: so, in Hardy it's not a layer?
[16:15] <cwillu> jemark, nope.  Broke tonnes of stuff too because of that (alsa and pulseaudio basically fighting over the audio device)
[16:15] <cwillu> intrepid's doing pulseaudio right (well, more right than they did the last time :p)
[16:16] <cwillu> but it does mean that workarounds from intrepid can cause some grief
[16:16] <jemark> cwillu: so, why do you keep alsa in Intrepid... remove alsa and don't force Pulseaudio when you want to use alsa...
[16:16] <cwillu> jemark, 'alsa' is several things
[16:16] <cwillu> jemark, it's the kernel audio drivers (how pulseaudio actually makes sound), and it's an api used by lots of applications
[16:16] <jemark> cwilluL are probably also several things.. plugins, etc...
[16:16] <cwillu> jemark, the same way as 'oss' is both a kernel audio system, and an api used by lots of old programs
[16:17] <sivel> ?
[16:17] <cwillu> jemark, well, plugins falls under a different category
[16:17] <cwillu> but anyways, the 'alsa-as-api' in intrepid is actually compatability layer over pulseaudio, so that apps that only know how to use alsa (and can't be updated) will still work
[16:18] <cwillu> including skype, flash, and so on
[16:18] <jemark> cwillu: well, at least that gives you a choice... Intrepid forces Rhythmbox to use Pulseaudio, right? In Hardy, you can still choose to use alsa...
[16:18] <cwillu> jemark, it's a false choice
[16:18] <cwillu> it doesn't make sense to have them coexist
[16:19] <cwillu> but again, can you please set gstreamer-properties to pulseaudio, and retest rhythmbox?
[16:19] <cwillu> please?
[16:19] <cwillu> for me?
[16:19] <ByteJuggler> @charlie-tca (or anyone who can help) ok, so I'm trying to make sure I'm going to report apparent issues with the migration assistant in the Intrepid beta against the right project on launchpad -- there's the "migration assistant" *project* which is just a placeholder and eventually points to the Debian bug tracker, and then there's the "migration-assistant" *source package* in the Ubuntu project (I've not been able to find an "ubuntu-
[16:19] <jemark> cwillu: that's why I still use alsa since programs that I use like skype use alsa.. otherwise you get more cpu usage bc of the compatibility layer story.
[16:20] <cwillu> jemark, gstreamer _has_ pulseaudio support though, so you don't need to use the compatability layer for it (skype and the rest will still work _because_ of the compatibility layer)
[16:21] <jemark> cwillu: and more cpu usage...
[16:21] <cwillu> only for the apps that are still using the alsa api
[16:21] <jemark> cwillu: it's like vista with compatibility layers of xp and nt, etc
[16:21] <cwillu> jemark, that's a whole other ballgame
[16:22] <cwillu> but anyways, you originally asked about rhythmbox.  You still haven't answered me on that
[16:22] <petererer> i had problems with jack and pulseaudio :(
[16:22] <jemark> cwillu: the question is: is it possible to get 1% cpu usage of rhythmbox in Intrpid... im interested in low cpu usage since I don't want to waste my battery
[16:23] <cwillu> jemark, omg
[16:23] <cwillu> but again, can you please set gstreamer-properties to pulseaudio, and retest rhythmbox?
[16:23] <cwillu> last time
[16:23] <charlie-tca> migration-assistant source package, ByteJuggler
[16:24] <jemark> cwillu: compatibilty layers, alsa, pulseaudio... i don't mind... all i like is to hear the sound going out of my speakers with rhythmbox with a low cpu usage... the same as in Hardy.
[16:24] <ByteJuggler> charlie-tca: ty
[16:24] <cwillu> jemark, I don't care.  Either do the test I've asked you 5 times to do, or stop talking about it :p
[16:24] <jemark> cwillu: are you using intrepid now?
[16:24] <cwillu> jemark, I've got 2 intrepid machines, and a couple hardy machines
[16:25] <jemark> cwillu: why don't u test this... i've tested it already. it's still high with only pulseaaudio in gstreamer-propoerties.
[16:25] <cwillu> jemark, THEN SAY THAT THE FIRST TIME
[16:25] <jemark> cwillu: do you think i would tell ths story if i don't test it FIRST???
[16:26] <cwillu> jemark, you came in, said something about a problem.  I spent a couple minutes looking for bug reports that were related, and linked you to them.  You told me "i know about those bugs...".  I can't read your mind
[16:27] <jemark> Rhythmbox ix eating CPU like Flash in intrepid... cpu usage with flash is another issue ofcurse... still high with Flash 10 final
[16:28] <jemark> cwillu: yes, I know about the crossfading... how could I get 1% cpu usage in Hardy... it would be 50 percent with the crossfading.
[16:28] <td123> jemark: not necessarily...
[16:29] <td123> jemark: it could range anywhere from 1% to 100% depending on your processor :P
[16:29] <jemark> td123: let me know how to fix this... i would check it right away in my hardy where i type on...
[16:29] <cwillu> ooo, xchat doesn't log ignored users to .xchat2/xchatlogs any more!  bonus :)
[16:30] <jemark> i use a 1.6 Ghz Duo core 2 processor.
[16:30] <td123> jemark: what is your current setup?
[16:30] <jemark> td123: yes
[16:30] <td123> jemark: how do you know its eating so much cpu.. is it because your computer is slow or you checked?
[16:31] <jemark> td123: 1) fan is blowing a 2) checked "top" and looked which process is the cause of the high cpu usage
[16:32] <tta> I can't get rhythmbox to exceed ~10%
[16:32] <ByteJuggler> can I ask a really stupid question: How/Where do you set gstreamer properties/change rhythmbox to use pulseaudio?   For reference, on my old AMD64-3200+ 2Ghz which I'm on now, running Intrepid, Rhythmbox uses 5% on a default install, no settings changed
[16:32] <ByteJuggler> (reported by top)
[16:32] <jemark> tta: very good... try audio streaming
[16:33] <jemark> tta: with the crossfader on ;)
[16:33] <ByteJuggler> (pulseaudio process takes about 1.7%)
[16:33] <cwillu> ByteJuggler, gstreamer-properties
[16:33] <minimec> ByteJuggler: <alt><F2> 'gstreamer-properties' change the audio section.
[16:33] <ByteJuggler> ah ok ta
[16:34] <jemark> ByteJuggler: change to Pulseaudio
[16:36] <jemark> ByteJuggler: Rhythmbox uses 5% when ur playing a mp3, I guess? can you tell what it uses when ur using radio streaming?
[16:37] <minimec> ByteJuggler: If you want to play around with Pulseaudio, I recommend to install 'pavucontrol' ;)
[16:38] <jemark> ByteJuggler: I guess, I would need to install a fresh Intrepid or 9.04... upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid gave me a high cpu usage in Rhythmbox...
[16:39] <ByteJuggler> well
[16:39] <ByteJuggler> interestingly, i've just forced it to ALSA (= unneccesary layering if i understand correctly) and it's still using about 5%
[16:39] <ByteJuggler> (I have restarted rhythmbox etc)
[16:40] <td123> jemark: the actual upgrade shouldn't have caused it.. its the package that's included in intrepid if anything
[16:40] <ByteJuggler> (this is playing from magnatune, not sure if that streams but I think it does)
[16:41] <jemark> td123: umm... alright
[16:41] <ByteJuggler> I'll do a test from a proper radio stream hang on...
[16:41] <td123> jemark: I'll try it out
[16:41] <jemark> ByteJuggler: have you tried audiostreaming as well? not only a simple mp3 file?
[16:42] <ByteJuggler> jemark: like I say, the tests were using Magnatune which I *think* (but am not sure) streams
[16:42] <jemark> ByteJuggler: ok cool
[16:42] <td123> jemark: what is your average cpu usage for rhythmbox?
[16:42] <ByteJuggler> I'll do another test with a radio stream
[16:43] <minimec> ByteJuggler: My Rhythmbox also uses about 5% of my CPU and i have a amd 5000+ on a Hardy machine with PulseAudio.
[16:44] <lilrayray> has anyone got a pptp vpn working in intrepid? i need to connect to a m$ pptp server and i keep getting the error message that the connection "failed because there were no valid VPN secrets."  Any ideas?
[16:45] <ByteJuggler> does anyone have any radio url handy (no default ones in rhythmbox on a default intrepid install)
[16:45] <minimec> ByteJuggler: http://ubuntu.hbr1.com:19800/ambient.ogg
[16:46] <minimec> ByteJuggler: The link is not working... as I see.
[16:47] <ByteJuggler> lol so i see
[16:49] <minimec> ByteJuggler: This one works http://scfire-dtc-aa05.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1074
[16:50] <ByteJuggler> thanks, this also seems to work: http://www.hbr1.com/playlist/ambient.pls
[16:50] <ByteJuggler> (google knows all lol)
[16:53] <ByteJuggler> ok well CPU use is the same on a radio stream for me
[16:53] <ByteJuggler> and it's also virtually the same for me regardless of whether I force gstreamer properties to PulseAudio or ALSA
[16:55] <danbh_intrepid> ByteJuggler: I think pulse implements the ALSA api
[16:55] <ByteJuggler> rhythmbox uses between 4.3 and about 7peak% CPU, averaging about 5% or so on "top" (with pulseaudio taking between 0.7% and 1.7%)
[16:56] <ByteJuggler> danbh: yeah I'm just commenting cos there was a whole big discussion about Pulse and ALSA just now...
[16:56] <danbh_intrepid> its like WINE.  Its not an emulator.  In the same way, I think pulse doesn't have compatibility layers.  It has modules which implement the various apis
[16:56] <ByteJuggler> jemark was having unnaturally high CPU usage
[16:56] <minimec> ByteJuggler: I was just testing exaile. Looks like exaile uses a bit less of CPU. I get between 4%-5%
[16:56] <danbh_intrepid> i see
[16:57] <ByteJuggler> so I decided to test on my machine (which is older than jemark)
[16:57] <nlion> hey guys
[16:57] <nlion> I'm having sound trouble on a macbook 2,1
[16:57] <nlion> in ibex
[16:58] <ByteJuggler> danbh: ok i c
[16:58] <ByteJuggler> (that fits in which why the cpu use is the same)
[17:00] <td123> ByteJuggler: so what was your conclusion on the older cpu?
[17:00] <ByteJuggler> well, for me the CPU use is the same on Intrepid in all cases, whether using Pulse or ALSA
[17:01] <ByteJuggler> it seems acceptably low at about 5% (sometimes lower, sometimes slightly higher)
[17:01] <td123> ByteJuggler: so, what was jemark talking about?
[17:02] <ByteJuggler> didn't follow the first part of the conversation in detail but he was having higher cpu use on rhythmbox (10%+) compared to hardy (1%) and wanted to know why and how he can get it down (running core2 at 1.6Ghz iirc)
[17:02] <cwillu> td123, 5% is higher than should be expected
[17:03] <ByteJuggler> (will have to scroll back up to check)
[17:03] <td123> cwillu: 5% is pretty reasonable though imo
[17:03] <cwillu> mplayer will play an mp3 < 1% cpu
[17:03] <ByteJuggler> this is a 2Ghz AMD64 754pin CPU
[17:03] <cwillu> pre-pa, it seems that gstreamer was <1% as well
[17:03] <ByteJuggler> about 3.5 years old
[17:04] <td123> oh, I guess that could be high, so who wants to profile rhythmbox :d
[17:04] <cwillu> I'm tempted to blame a change in gstreamer actually
[17:04] <cwillu> it's the only thing that's the same across totem, rhythmbox and banshee
[17:04] <cwillu> and that's also in-process
[17:05] <ByteJuggler> Ill have to test on Hardy to compare (havent got it on this box tho...)
[17:05] <ByteJuggler> btw in case it matters, this is an Ogg stream
[17:05] <cwillu> decoding the file isn't the issue afaict
[17:06] <ByteJuggler> sure
[17:06] <cwillu> more likely that it's either buffering very aggressively, or there's some extra transcoding going on
[17:06] <ByteJuggler> so you reckon 5% is a bit high even for this box?
[17:07] <td123> ByteJuggler: I think you can't say 5% is too high until you've actually profiled it and see what its spending that 5% on
[17:07] <ByteJuggler> agreed
[17:07] <cwillu> it's really really easy to burn more cpu time doing higher quality filtering and the like, it's quite possible that something was turned on
[17:08] <cwillu> not completely convinced it's a bug, but it _is_ possible to play an mp3 with next to no cpu time on any modern'ish machine
[17:09] <WelshDragon> ByteJuggler, have you got cross fading enabled?
[17:09] <ByteJuggler> no
[17:11] <cwillu> well, on the other hand, mplayer is using 3% cpu on this box (as opposed to 5% with banshee, totem or rhythm
[17:13] <minimec> cwillu: ByteJuggler: exaile uses 4%-5% on a amd 500+ dualcore with a normal 32bit Hardy installation. OUtput is PulseAudio.
[17:13] <minimec> 5000
[17:14] <minimec> I guess, the plugins and database stuff are taking 2-3% permanently...
[17:15] <cwillu> database wouldn't be doing anything for playback
[17:15] <cwillu> plugins could be a problem, but should only be if they're actually filtering the audio stream
[17:16] <ByteJuggler> well, for reference, my laptop (AMD64 1.8Ghz running hardy) uses a shedload more CPU lol
[17:16] <ByteJuggler> (just walked over and tried)
[17:16] <ByteJuggler> might be something I've done to the laptop (but don't think so)...
[17:16] <cwillu> 1.8 would match his clock speed as well
[17:16] <cwillu> around 10-15%
[17:16] <cwillu> ?
[17:16] <ByteJuggler> there was a rhythmbox and rhythmbox-metad and pulseaudio processes
[17:17] <ByteJuggler> rhythmbox was eating like 15%
[17:17] <cwillu> PLEASE NOTE: PulseAudio's default configuration uses high quality sample
[17:17] <cwillu> rate conversion that may be overly CPU intensive. If PulseAudio's CPU usage
[17:17] <cwillu> is unacceptable on your hardware, please change the resample-method option
[17:17] <cwillu> in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to either src-linear or trivial. See daemon.conf
[17:17] <cwillu> for more details.
[17:17] <ByteJuggler> anyway, I wouldn't read too much into that cos I might've done any number of things to that laptop
[17:18] <minimec> just playing an radio stream in audacious. 11% CPU on hardy ;)
[17:18] <ByteJuggler> but still, a bit surprising
[17:18] <Turms> bug 272896
[17:18] <cwillu> minimec, with or without pa?
[17:18] <minimec> cwillu: Pulse
[17:18] <ByteJuggler> (mine was with pulse as well)
[17:19] <cwillu> minimec, comparison in question was against hardy without pulse
[17:19] <ByteJuggler> ah kk (brb)
[17:19] <Turms> some op would write in the topic the reference to the workaround for outdated modems not working with kernel 2.6.27?
[17:20] <minimec> cwillu: 9% using the alsa-outpu-plugin
[17:20] <cwillu> minimec, have you tweaked pulse at all though?
[17:21] <cwillu> minimec, flash workarounds typically applied the same settings that intrepid has by default, including an alsawrapper that would be getting used by alsa-output-plugin
[17:21] <cwillu> minimec, close rhythmbox, killall pulseaudio, reopen rhythmbox and retest :p
[17:21] <minimec> cwillu: As I was always upgrading I used 'the almost perfect pulseaudio tutorial' and made a manual install on hardy
[17:22] <cwillu> yep, do as I said above, you were still going through pulse
[17:22] <cwillu> make sure pulseaudio isn't showing up at all once rhythmbox is playing (ps aux|grep pulse), and then check cpu usage
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Turms: done
[17:23] <minimec> cwillu: Pulse is on test here, I agree, as I have some issues with my TV-card.
[17:24] <ByteJuggler> hmmm well on the turion amd64 1.8ghz (single core) it's 7.3% cpu for rhythmbox alsa (no pulseaudio in process list) and 1.7% for rhythmbox-metad
[17:24] <ByteJuggler> which is a lot lighter than with pulseaudio
[17:24] <ByteJuggler> (both of those on hardy)
[17:25] <cwillu> ByteJuggler, okay, so jemark is just on crack :p
[17:25] <minimec> cwillu: On the other hand, I love the sound-managment with pavucontrol, as it alows me to control my soundcards easily.
[17:25] <ByteJuggler> cwillu: well yeah, it's all similar scores from where I'm sitting
[17:25] <Turms> charlie-tca: thanks :-)
[17:25] <ByteJuggler> (except for the pulseaudio scores on hardy which is a bit bad)
[17:25] <cwillu> ByteJuggler, let no man say I didn't investigate :p
[17:26] <ByteJuggler> which then for that matter seems pretty good on interpid
[17:26] <ByteJuggler> *intrepid even
[17:26] <lilrayray> has anyone got a pptp vpn working in intrepid? i need to connect to a m$ pptp server and i keep getting the error message that the connection "failed because there were no valid VPN secrets."  Any ideas?
[17:26] <ByteJuggler> aside: I might have to redo the intrepid tests here, cos I did not killall pulseaudio just now when I tested (didn't realise I needed that...)
[17:27] <cwillu> lilrayray, people will take you more seriously if you don't say 'm$' :p
[17:27] <lilrayray> thanks... ;)
[17:27] <cwillu> lilrayray, have you been able to connect to it from a windows box?
[17:27] <cwillu> (you personally)
[17:27] <ByteJuggler> what's on the other end of the pptp tunnel?
[17:27] <ByteJuggler> a windows box or a concentrator or what?
[17:27] <lilrayray> yes... i have vista on a separate box and it works like it's supposed to...
[17:27] <lilrayray> it a w2k3 server
[17:27] <cwillu> lilrayray, what client?
[17:27] <cwillu> builtin windows?
[17:28] <lilrayray> network-manager-pptp
[17:28] <cwillu> on the windows box
[17:28] <cwillu> sorry
[17:28] <lilrayray> np... it is the built-in windows client
[17:28] <cwillu> what's the exact error?
[17:29] <lilrayray> "The VPN connection to 'PMT' failed because there were no valid VPN secrets."
[17:30] <cwillu> sec
[17:31] <lilrayray> cwillu: i had it working with the exact same settings in Hardy.
[17:31] <cwillu> lilrayray, network manager has had its guts ripped out :p
[17:31] <ByteJuggler> (eish that sounds painful :P )
[17:32] <cwillu> ByteJuggler, you have no idea :p
[17:32] <lilrayray> cwillu: well, that would explain why it is performing better in some aspects... just not this one...
[17:32] <cypherdelic> Anyone familar with xserver-xorg-input-evdev or-joystick detecting gamepads?
[17:33] <cwillu> bug #285615
[17:33] <cwillu> bug #283376
[17:34] <cwillu> lilrayray, clear the password out of the vpn configuration, and try connecting (typing the password in by hand when prompteD)
[17:35] <minimec> cypherdelic: If it is an usb device I would begin with 'lsusb' in a console. There you get the ID number of your device. This is a good hint for google ;)
[17:35] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, where art thou?
[17:36] <cwillu> lilrayray, you don't have any control over the vpn implementation do you?
[17:37] <lilrayray> cwillu: i just happen to have control over the network i am trying to connect to... ;)
[17:38] <cwillu> lilrayray, so "don't use pptp" might be valid advice? :p
[17:38]  * cwillu isn't a huge fan of password-based vpn's
[17:38] <jaume> hi
[17:39] <jaume> i have networking problems
[17:39] <jaume> someone can help?
[17:39] <cwillu> (cisco/openvpn both use certificates, and only passwords as an additional option)
[17:39] <cwillu> jaume, just ask, don't ask to ask
[17:39] <jaume> ok
[17:39] <lilrayray> well, unfortunately, i also have capital budget constraints and a boss that is a HUGE Microsoft fan... I have proposed a different solution for the upcoming year, but I will have to see if it goes through or not
[17:39] <cwillu> lilrayray, openvpn is opensource, and works on windows with a nice little system-tray icon
[17:40] <cwillu> uses bog-standard encryption (ssl), and the devs have always been extremely responsive (good mailing list)
[17:40] <jaume> well then i installed 8.10 beta when i connect to my router via wireless or lan cable i get the ip and all from via dhcp from the router
[17:40] <jaume> lan works
[17:41] <jaume> but firefox or synaptic dont work
[17:41] <jaume> an a ping google.com works from the console
[17:41] <jaume> but from firefox doesnt
[17:41] <lilrayray> cwillu: thanks for the help... i will see if i can get it to work the way it is... i got past the error message i was getting which was the point i was stuck at
[17:41] <minimec> jaume: *lan works* can you ping your router in a console?
[17:41] <jaume> yes
[17:41] <jaume> even i can do ping google.com and works
[17:41] <cwillu> jaume, ping works from wireless and lan, but firefox only works from the lan?
[17:42] <jaume> exactly firefox cant acces internet
[17:42] <cwillu> jaume, you're using network manager right?  not configuring from the console?
[17:42] <minimec> do you have a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf?
[17:42] <ByteJuggler> try disabling ipv6 in firefox
[17:42] <ByteJuggler> actually never mind
[17:42]  * cwillu pokes ByteJuggler with a stick
[17:43] <ByteJuggler> (old problem fixed long time ago so its not that)
[17:43] <jaume> yes i have the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf that the router give via dhcp
[17:43] <cwillu> jaume, when connected the the wireless, open firefox, and tell me if firefox has itself set to offline mode
[17:43] <cwillu> jaume, you're connecting to wireless using network manager, or from the console?
[17:43] <jaume> the work offline is off
[17:43] <minimec> jaume: If you used another one (add one manually) just for a try.
[17:43] <jaume> i'm connecting via network managers
[17:44] <Turno> has ubuntu moved away from using vnc for remote desktop?
[17:45] <jaume> how can i try to disable ipv6?
[17:45] <ByteJuggler> its probably not that, but in the firefox address bar, type: about:config
[17:45] <ByteJuggler> search for ipv6
[17:45] <cwillu> Turno, not that I know of
[17:45] <jaume> ok
[17:45] <Skiesssi> when I install openswan, ipsec-tools, linux-patch-openswan and that other openswan package, _my internet gets broken_
[17:46] <cwillu> Turno, I usually just run apps via ssh -XC, but that doesn't help connecting to existing sessions
[17:46] <ByteJuggler> change network.dns.disableIPv6 to true
[17:46] <ByteJuggler> restart firefox
[17:46] <Skiesssi> how do I know is one of those packages or my isp?
[17:46] <Skiesssi> *...know is it...
[17:47] <jaume> ok
[17:47] <jaume> i found it
[17:47] <jaume> it's not that
[17:47] <jaume> still doesnt work
[17:48] <cwillu> Skiesssi, if you just need to connect to a cisco ipsec vpn, you just need network-manager-vpnc
[17:48] <jaume> but how is possible that the ping google.com responds and the from the firefox doesnt?
[17:49] <cwillu> jaume, don't have a proxy set in firefox do you?
[17:49] <jaume> no
[17:49] <jaume> i check that
[17:49] <Ayabara> since there is now only one output slider in alsamixer, is it only the gnome-volume-control frontend I can use to change various output levels?
[17:49] <Skiesssi> cisco ipsec vpn?
[17:49] <jaume> i put it in no proxy
[17:50] <Skiesssi> no
[17:50] <Skiesssi> what's cisco?
[17:50] <cwillu> Skiesssi, the most common vpn provider :p
[17:50] <cwillu> Skiesssi, try the package I suggested (removing the other packages that broke your internet), if it works, then you're golden
[17:51] <ByteJuggler> jaume: the only thing I can think of
[17:51] <ByteJuggler> is mtu problems
[17:52] <cwillu> Skiesssi, unless it only breaks when you connect to the vpn, which is a different problem
[17:52] <jaume> and what i can do?=
[17:52] <ByteJuggler> well, to test if that might have something to do with the price of eggs
[17:52] <ByteJuggler> you can force the mtu size down
[17:53] <jaume> can you tell me how?
[17:53] <ByteJuggler> use "ifconfig" command e.g.
[17:53] <ByteJuggler> ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400
[17:53] <ByteJuggler> (or something like that)
[17:53] <ByteJuggler> that sets mtu down to 1400 on eth0
[17:53] <ByteJuggler> check "man ifconfig"
[17:53] <jaume> ok
[17:54] <ByteJuggler> anyway i gotta go for now
[17:54] <minimec> ByteJuggler: Good idea! sudo 'ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492' could do it.
[17:54] <jaume> i have the mtu in 1500 line
[17:54] <Kr0ntab> jaume: mtu issues are seldomly an issue unless you're dealing with other encapsulating protocols, such as VPN's, etc.... whats the symptom?
[17:54] <jaume> i cant acces google or any other page with the firefox
[17:54] <Kr0ntab> sorry to butt in ByteJuggler
[17:55] <jaume> but i acn do ping google.com and works
[17:55] <minimec> jaume: Good idea! sudo 'ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492' could do it.
[17:55] <ByteJuggler> yeah might be a problem as wireless adds another wrapper to the packets iirc... (?) but Krontab's right
[17:55] <ByteJuggler> not usually a problem
[17:55] <ByteJuggler> still, try it
[17:55] <ByteJuggler> anyway might hang out here a bit more, nice talking to you all
[17:55] <ByteJuggler> bbfn
[17:55] <jaume> i tried with a wired cable and does the same
[17:56] <Kr0ntab> jaume: is this a personal network you are on?  with a single router/firewall?
[17:56] <jaume> i changed the mtu but still dont work
[17:57] <Kr0ntab> jaume: I know... because that is almost definitely not the problem...
[17:57] <jaume> yes is a personal network
[17:57] <Kr0ntab> jaume: for the following commands.. please paste the output here...
[17:57] <Kr0ntab> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[17:57] <Kr0ntab> ip addr list
[17:57] <Kr0ntab> route -n
[17:58] <Kr0ntab> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[17:58] <jaume> ok
[17:59] <Kr0ntab> then give us the resulting url so we can see
[17:59] <jaume> wait that i have to copy the results from the other computer
[17:59] <Kr0ntab> ok...
[18:00] <Kr0ntab> is that complicated?  I can have you give me the pertinent info in another way if it is.
[18:01] <jaume> almost done
[18:01] <jaume>  ip addr list
[18:01] <jaume> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
[18:01] <jaume>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
[18:01] <jaume>     inet <IP_ADDRESS>/8 scope host lo
[18:01] <jaume>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[18:01] <jaume>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[18:01] <jaume> 2: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000
[18:01] <Kr0ntab> ack..
[18:01] <jaume>     link/ether 00:02:3f:dc:a3:71 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[18:01] <Kr0ntab> not here
[18:01] <jaume> 3: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1492 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000
[18:01] <jaume>     link/ether 00:0e:35:73:0e:b1 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[18:01] <jaume>     inet <IP_ADDRESS>/24 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global eth1
[18:01] <jaume>     inet6 fe80::20e:35ff:fe73:eb1/64 scope link
[18:01] <jaume>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[18:01] <jaume> 4: pan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN
[18:01] <jaume>     link/ether be:17:d5:6d:04:72 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[18:01] <Kr0ntab> jaume:  not here
[18:01] <jaume> xdd
[18:01] <jaume> sorry
[18:02] <jaume> i send you th efile?
[18:02] <Kr0ntab> no....  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[18:02] <bsnider> jaume, !pastebin
[18:02] <Kr0ntab> paste that here
[18:02] <jaume> i have the results on a plain text file
[18:02] <Kr0ntab> on that url
[18:02] <Kr0ntab> go to the url... and paste it in there...
[18:03] <jaume> ok
[18:03] <jaume> done
[18:03] <jaume> Paste from jaume at Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:03:30 +0100
[18:04] <Kr0ntab> now give us the URL...
[18:04] <jaume> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/59761/
[18:04] <Kr0ntab> there ya go.  :-)
[18:04] <bsnider> what's wrong with the bot
[18:05] <minimec> bsnider: I guess there is no bot on ubuntu+1
[18:05] <bsnider> yes there is
[18:05] <jaume> the same computer with ubuntu 7.04 in  the same network works perfectly
[18:05] <charlie-tca> !pastebin | jaume
[18:06] <jaume> !pastebin
[18:06] <jaume> ?
[18:06] <Kr0ntab> ok.... first set your mtu back to 1500
[18:06] <jaume> ok
[18:06] <jaume> done
[18:07] <Kr0ntab> type the following, and paste results back into the pastebin page:     ping -i .2 -c 50 -q <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:07] <jaume> ok
[18:08] <kulight> hoe do i find the dns's im using in intrepid ?
[18:08] <Kr0ntab> this sends out 50 pings in a very short interval and only displays the summary at the end...
[18:08] <kulight> *how
[18:08] <jaume> ok
[18:09] <Kr0ntab> kulight: cat /etc/resolv.conf    or simply through the connection info dialog.  right click Network icon on your and selected the connection info option.
[18:10] <Kr0ntab> jaume: is there a new URL?
[18:10] <Kr0ntab> or did you keep the same one?
[18:10] <kulight> # NOTE: the libc resolver may not support more than 3 nameservers.
[18:10] <kulight> # The nameservers listed below may not be recognized.
[18:10] <kulight> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <kulight> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <kulight> i got that
[18:10] <jaume> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/59763/
[18:10] <jaume> yes
[18:11] <Kr0ntab> jaume: cool.... you can keep updating that same URL (at the bottom of the page) so all I have to do is refresh when you update...
[18:11] <jaume> ok
[18:13] <Kr0ntab> your ping results are good by the way...  now     ping -n -c 10 -q <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:13] <Kr0ntab> then    ping -n -c 10 -q <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:13] <jaume> ok
[18:14] <Kr0ntab> all we're doing here is testing basic responsiveness... I'm looking for latency, packet loss... etc...
[18:14] <jaume> it works too
[18:14] <jaume> or you want to see the results
[18:14] <Kr0ntab> want to see
[18:15] <jaume> ok
[18:15] <Kr0ntab> I am looking at the min/max/avergages... etc...
[18:15] <Kr0ntab> did you update the page?
[18:16] <FFForever> why does update manager say it cant update all of the repo's?
[18:16] <jaume> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/59768/
[18:17] <jaume> i'm sorry but i dont know how actualize
[18:17] <jaume> when i click paste on the same url it goes to a new one where oinly is the new text
[18:18] <Kr0ntab> jaume: this all looks good... lets do some other tests...
[18:18] <jaume> ok
[18:19] <Kr0ntab> jaume: type the following and paste results in pastebin...
[18:20] <Kr0ntab> jaume:   dig @<IP_ADDRESS> www.yahoo.com
[18:20] <Kr0ntab> jaume: dig @<IP_ADDRESS> www.yahoo.com
[18:22] <Kr0ntab> jaume: I just private messaged you so we don't have to fill everyone's logs in this channel window...
[18:22] <jaume> here
[18:22] <jaume> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/59771/
[18:23] <Kr0ntab> k
[18:28] <SIRavecavec> HI i try to upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 and i cant.
[18:29] <FFForever> how do i turn my mic on?
[18:29] <kniolet> SIRavecavec: you cant in what sense?
[18:30] <kniolet> SIRavecavec: it worked for me when i followed the instructions on the kubuntu site... are you getting some sort of error message?
[18:30] <minimec> FFForever: Maybe you have to configure that in gstreamer-properties
[18:30] <SIRavecavec> kniolet: i receive this error : Could not verify the integrity of the upgrader application. This program will now exit.
[18:30] <FFForever> how do i do that?
[18:30] <minimec> alt+F2 gstreamer-properties
[18:31] <minimec> FFForever: alt+F2 gstreamer-properties
[18:31] <kniolet> SIRavecavec: :-/ i dunno... that seems strange
[18:32] <SIRavecavec> kniolet: this is what i receive.
[18:32] <SIRavecavec> I try several times.
[18:33] <stdin> SIRavecavec: you can try switching to the main repositories and/or report the issue on Launchpad
[18:34] <cwillu> bsnider, ooooo!
[18:34] <JDahl> I am having some problems with laptop brightness after latest updates in Intrepid...  If power is removed, the brightness level is reduced significantly and isn't restored when power is restored. I didn't find a bug report about it - have others experienced this?
[18:34] <SIRavecavec> stdin: how do i change to main repositories?
[18:36] <duairc> Does anyone know how to bridge a device with network-manager 0.7 in intrepid? Is it possible?
[18:36] <stdin> SIRavecavec: from Adept Manager, Adept -> Manage Repositories -> Download From -> Main Servers
[18:36] <cwillu> bsnider, got it figured out, the libnvidia-tls library was at fault.  Could you tell me what your symlinks are for /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls* and /usr/lib/tls/*?
[18:37] <cwillu> bsnider, I've got mine up and running again via nvidia-glx-177 (and also nvidia's installer if I feel like it :p), but I'm curious what the proper symlinks there are supposed to be
[18:37] <cwillu> bsnider, and am curious why reinstalling nvidia-glx and company didn't rewrite them
[18:40] <bsnider> cwillu, brb
[18:40] <cwillu> yep
[18:40] <bilicki> hi guys, I am using kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1, when KDE loads, I just get a blank screen and my mouse pointer, nothing else... any ideas? however, stuff is working in the background, as the wireless internet connection gets set up (I used another console by pressing ctrl+alt+F5 to get the latest updates) any ideas?
[18:43] <emilien> need help nautilus keep crashing whenever i open /home
[18:43] <emilien> works fine for other directories
[18:44] <emilien> anyone any ideas ?
[18:46] <FFForever> why is the repo running so slow?
[18:48] <bilicki> ok, does anyone know how to reset / reconfigure KDE settings or something?
[18:49] <bilicki> as I said, I get a blank screen and a mouse pointer
[18:54] <bluefox83> has anyone been able to get google gadgets to compile in 8.11?
[18:55] <bluefox83> i keep getting a compile error when i try, i think it requires a library or something that's been outdated in ibex
[18:55] <squid0> hello. I want to install Intrepid beta, but on the live cd I get an error with X... I see the KDE loading splash screen, but then X dies, the screen goes various shades of black, and then tries to start X again... this becomes a loop... On examining X logs, it seems to be a problem with my Intel graphics card, and mentions something about planes (A and B) and memory errors...
[18:56] <bsnider> cwillu, /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.so.1 -> libnvidia-tls.so.177.80
[18:56] <bsnider> cwillu, /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 -> libnvidia-tls.so.177.80
[18:56] <squid0> how do I fix this, and (how) can I install intrepid knowing I'll be able to get a stable system with X?
[18:57] <cwillu> bsnider, dpkg-query -S /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.so ?
[18:57] <bsnider> not found
[18:57] <defrysk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/182716
[18:57] <cwillu> bsnider, dpkg-query -S libnvidia-tls rather ?
[18:57] <defrysk> oops, sorry
[18:58] <bsnider> i'll have to pastebin that
[18:58] <cwillu> nvidia-glx-177?
[18:59] <bsnider> cwillu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/59784/
[18:59] <emilien> need help nautilus keep crashing whenever i open /home
[18:59] <emilien> works fine for other directories
[18:59] <emilien> anyone any ideas ?
[18:59] <squid0> could my issue be related to the effort at an X configuration without /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[19:00] <cwillu> bsnider, okay, thanks
[19:00] <bsnider> squid0, you did download the daily-live image and not the old beta cd right?
[19:01] <squid0> bsnider: eh, no, I downloaded the beta from 2 october
[19:01] <bsnider> yeah, don't do that
[19:01] <squid0> aha
[19:01] <bsnider> !daily
[19:01] <squid0> thanks
[19:01] <squid0> how stable is the latest daily?
[19:01] <cwillu> bsnider, any reason why nvidia-glx-177 wouldn't recreate those symlinks (they didn't exist before), and instead put full copies of libnvidia-tls.so in their place?  (that was the error, two identical copies rather than one symlink to the original)
[19:02] <bsnider> cwillu, i have no idea, but you should tell alberto about it
[19:02] <bsnider> in other words, file a bug
[19:02] <cwillu> :p
[19:02] <cwillu> k
[19:03] <bsnider> obviously it should rewrite every file when it's reinstalled