[12:15] <space_ninja> but
[12:15] <athena> space_ninja, far from it
[12:15] <mhb> fdoving: I wanted to try that as an alternative approach, thanks.
[12:15] <fdoving> mhb: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Chroot#Launch_X_Applications_inside_the_chroot
[12:15] <space_ninja> then which version of kde does the newest kubuntu have?
[12:15] <athena> 3.5.6
[12:17] <dwidmann> athena: well, it has come a long way, gotta give it some credit there eh? Oh, and space_ninja, kde 3.5.7 is available though it's not in by default (it was released not so long ago, sometime after the 7.04 release)
[12:17] <mhb> fdoving: the xhost +localhost approach didn't work either. Guess I have to test the ssh.
[12:18] <athena> dwidmann, he just asked if it was done..
[12:18] <athena> and it's not
[12:18] <space_ninja> ok
[12:19] <dwidmann> Think the planned release is somewhere around november ...
[12:19] <space_ninja> I'm going to download a iso, but what is alternate?
[12:19] <athena> ^^
[12:19] <athena> space_ninja, alternate is the correct way to install Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[12:20] <dwidmann> athena: correct? They both work equally well, what makes you say it's more correct?
[12:20] <space_ninja> :)
[12:20] <athena> dwidmann, it uses less memory, provides more options, and is less prone to failure
[12:20] <space_ninja> what's the real difference?
[12:20] <dwidmann> Agreed
[12:21] <athena> meh, whatever works for you
[12:21] <dwidmann> space_ninja: in one instance you get a full gui, which is both a good thing and a bad thing simultaneously, for the above listed reasons.
[12:21] <dwidmann> Then again, the live cd does make a good trusty rescue cd :)
[12:21] <athena> yeah, it's good to have both
[12:23] <dwidmann> Or better yet, have the DVD, best of both worlds :)
[12:23] <space_ninja> aha, so with alternate I boot the installation immediately, and with the other one I get inside a working environement
[12:23] <space_ninja> or whatever you call it
[12:24] <athena> yes
[12:26] <yknott> space_ninja: yes and with the livecd you have the option to install the livecd contents to the computer
[12:26] <space_ninja> yep
[12:26] <Sanne> space_ninja: another difference is, the alternate cd can be used as a software repository while the live cd can not.
[12:27] <athena> ^^
[12:27] <athena> the Live CD has about 2 packages on it. The Alternate has a full mirror of your install.
[12:27] <dwidmann> In other words, you can't use the live cd for upgrading from one version to another
[12:27] <athena> nope
[12:28] <yknott> dwidmann: correct; you could install over the old version, using the livecd, but could not perform an upgrade using the livecd
[12:28] <space_ninja> ok
[12:28] <space_ninja> is there a direct connect program in kubuntu as default?
[12:28] <athena> direct connect? as in DCC?
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> as in DC
[12:29] <space_ninja> DC
[12:29] <dwidmann> I still hold my older hardly spoken of argument for the DVD. All of the advantages and none of the disadvantages :)
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> space_ninja: there isn't.
[12:29] <space_ninja> ok
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> but there are clients availabel
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> available, even
[12:29] <space_ninja> but what does the repository offers?
[12:29] <space_ninja> what's their names
[12:29] <athena> dwidmann, other than a massive download time?
[12:29] <dwidmann> athena: or a short wait for the post to get it to you, let someone else do the downloading for you
[12:30] <athena> oh... DC++
[12:30] <space_ninja> ok nice
[12:31] <athena> space_ninja, um, no, DC++ isn't a program..
[12:31] <space_ninja> aha
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> DC++ is a program
[12:31] <athena> well, to be more accurate, it's not a Linux one
[12:31] <space_ninja> :D
[12:31] <athena> try valknut
[12:31] <athena> there's also dcgui
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> dc-qt
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> but i'd recommend valknut
[12:33] <space_ninja> last time I tried it, was a long time ago tho, it looked old and messy
[12:33] <space_ninja> any improvements?
[12:33] <yknott> so it saves the world now, give it a go
[12:34] <space_ninja> ok
[12:36] <DrX> OK geniuses, this ones been giving me a butt-kicking for the last 2 months:  how do I get a Xen VM guest manually Linux installer to see the source files via either Hard Disk, CD ROM or NFS share (they all work fine in the host OS)?
[12:36] <kilrae> anyone know if there's a way to get two instances of Kate running at the same time (as the same user)
[12:37] <yknott> other than clicking on its shortcut twice?
[12:37] <kilrae> yknott: second time just focuses the already open one
[12:38] <Sanne> kilrae: I can do it. I remember configuring something so it works... let me try to find it.
[12:39] <yknott> kilrae: not sure, it is not doing that for me; each time i click the shortcut it opens another
[12:39] <yknott> perhaps i too changed something
[12:40] <gianluca_> ubuntu.it
[12:40] <gianluca_> Ubuntu.it?
[12:40] <gianluca_> come faccio
[12:40] <gianluca_> ?
[12:40] <yknott> grazie
[12:40] <Minataku> !it | gianluca_
[12:40] <ubotu> gianluca_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:40] <Minataku> :)
[12:40] <marko> is there official channel for linux-gamers
[12:43] <Sanne> kilrae: I can't find it in kate settings, but I will continue to look. May take a minute though.
[12:44] <kilrae> Sanne: it's ok, I'll just use kate and quanta, practically the same as having two kates
[12:46] <gianluca_> ubuntu-it
[12:46] <gianluca_> #ubuntu-it
[12:49] <tjl30> does anyone know how I can change the name of my slave drive? Right now it is called /media/Extra_ but before it was /media/hd2 which is where my music player db thinks it is
[12:50] <Sanne> kilrae: on a related note, you can split the kate window for seeing two files side by side, maybe that helps for what you want to do.
[12:50] <Minataku> Add a static entry to /etc/fstab
[12:51] <space_ninja> check /etc/fstab and  ls /media
[12:53] <tjl30> the fstab is the same as it used to be
[12:53] <tjl30> and the hd2 folder is still in media but there are no files in it
[12:53] <Minataku> It'll be there, yeah
[12:53] <Minataku> It's just a mount point
[12:54] <Minataku> A mount point is an empty (or even populated) folder
[12:54] <Minataku> It's contents are replaced with that of the device mounted there
[12:54] <dwidmann> kilrae: I have a way
[12:54] <Minataku> tjl30: Hm
[12:55] <dwidmann> kilrae: pull up konsole and open a second tab while you're at it. In the first type oh, something like "kate --start new1", in the second tab use "kate --start new2", just give them a different session and all should be well
[12:56] <Sanne> kilrae: I believ I found it. Look at the command line that starts your kate. If kate is started with "kate -u" then it will open new documents in an existing kate already open. Take out the -u and you should be able to have multiple kate windows. See also: kate -h
[12:59] <Sanne> works also :)
[12:59] <dwidmann> but of course
[01:00] <Sanne> dwidmann: but it works here also with just "kate file1.txt" and "kate file2.txt"
[01:01] <dwidmann> Yes, never said you coudln't tack that on to the end, plus there's always the benefit of easily picking the session you want if you do it my way though (point I was trying to make, actually)
[01:02] <cindy> salut
[01:02] <MaTiAz> Kate is a nice editor :)
[01:02] <cindy> c est koi le site francais
[01:02] <cindy> kubuntu franch
[01:02] <Minataku> !fr | cindy
[01:03] <cindy> ?
[01:03] <ubotu> cindy: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:03] <cindy> merci
[01:03] <Minataku> np
[01:03] <Sanne> dwidmann: I must admit I don't know what --start actually does... will go read now. I didn't want to imply my way is better than yours, just complementing. :)
[01:03] <cindy> cool
[01:04] <Sanne> dwidmann: I see now, start with a session... very useful, thanks.
[01:08] <DarkShock> hi, I have a really weird problem here. On my user, I can't connect to http(s), pop3 connections. But if I launch konqueror as root, I can get http connection. Also IRC, Jabber, SVN works on my normal user
[01:08] <DarkShock> using Kubuntu Feisty, KDE 3.5.7 and kppp (dial-up connection)
[01:12] <Tired_> How does Kubuntu handle hardware changes?  I'm thinking about replacing my GeForce FX 5200 with a GeForce 6600...will my system still boot after?
[01:12] <daaaman64> Tired_ yes
[01:12] <daaaman64> all that really matters is what driver is installed.
[01:12] <Tired_> Will I need to reo the drivers, or are the nvidia drivers sufficiently generic?
[01:12] <LjL> the latter
[01:12] <daaaman64> Tired_ yes in this case
[01:12] <Tired_> :)
[01:13] <stanley> hi guys...everytime i try opening adep, an error message appears saying su returned with an error
[01:13] <stanley> plz help me fix this
[01:14] -Nop:#kubuntu- You have 1 new message. Type /server mail to read.
[01:14] <PriceChild> DON'T!!!
[01:14] <PriceChild> Please no-one do that.
[01:14] <daaaman64> PriceChild: why?
[01:14] <gnomefreak> hes starting to piss me off now
[01:14] <gnomefreak> daaaman64: it will dissconnect you
[01:14] <PriceChild> daaaman64, it will disconnect you :)
[01:15] <talonzz> hey guys
[01:15] <talonzz> wooohooo kubuntu and beryl roxxxxxxxxxxx
[01:15] <daaaman64> PriceChild, that is f'd up
[01:15] <LjL> PriceChild: why? i just did it. opened a new server tab
[01:15] <PriceChild> LjL, not all clients open new tabs.
[01:15] <LjL> sane ones :P
[01:15] <PriceChild> LjL, irssi, xchat etc. don't
[01:15] <PriceChild> pfft :)
[01:15] <PriceChild> that's what /connect is for :)
[01:15] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[01:16] <talonzz> dudes i have a quick question on how to added beryl on startup can't seem to find the tab in kubuntu =(
[01:16] <K-Ryan> I just popped "sudo apt-get upgrade" in my terminal
[01:16] <crdlb> !autostart | talonzz
[01:16] <ubotu> talonzz: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:16] <K-Ryan> But I get "THe following packages have been kept back:" and it's all 5 of the packages that were to be upgraded
[01:16] <stanley> yea...uhm guys
[01:16] <K-Ryan> What's up stanley?
[01:17] <stanley> when i try opening adept is says su returned with an error k-ryan
[01:17] <stanley> i dunno how to fix this
[01:17] <K-Ryan> !aptfix
[01:17] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:17] <K-Ryan> Try that
[01:17] <stanley> ok
[01:18] <K-Ryan> Anyone know why when I try to upgrade the upgradable packages it holds all the upgrades back?
[01:19] <K-Ryan> The packages are hal, linux-386, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-386, linux-restricted-modules-386
[01:20] <K-Ryan> Anyone else have that problem?
[01:21] <crdlb> K-Ryan, you shouldn't be using linux-386 on edgy or feisty
[01:21] <K-Ryan> I don't know what it is
[01:21] <crdlb> you should make sure you have linux-generic installed
[01:21] <crdlb> and remove all the -386 packages
[01:22] <K-Ryan> Didn't have linux-generic
[01:22] <K-Ryan> I haven't had any problems though...
[01:23] <mtv> in terminal how to i check filesizes
[01:24] <JohnFlux> mtv: ls -la  *
[01:24] <JohnFlux> mtv: well just:  ls -la
[01:24] <K-Ryan> crdlb: Are you sure? I'm getting some errors now
[01:24] <talonzz> !autostart
[01:24] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:24] <crdlb> !generic
[01:24] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[01:25] <mtv> thank you
[01:27] <K-Ryan> crdlb: I don't get it
[01:27] <don> hey can somebody help me
[01:27] <K-Ryan> don: I'm sure someone can help you, but you need to let us know what you need help with.
[01:28] <don> i have an Intel 815 grapphics card but Kubuntu recognizes it as a 810 and the resolution is 640 x 480 and it wont let me change it but I Know it can be changed on Windows
[01:28] <don> I can change it up to 1027x768 on Windows
[01:28] <K-Ryan> You're going to need to modify your xorg.conf
[01:29] <K-Ryan> It lists what resolutions are available for choosing.
[01:29] <don> I have no clue on how to do that
[01:29] <don> Okay..
[01:29] <K-Ryan> I figured, and that's alright. But there's more to it
[01:29] <K-Ryan> Which I'm not sure about, but I'm going to try to figure it out.
[01:29] <don> oik
[01:29] <don> ok*
[01:30] <daaaman64> don, have you posted in the forums at all?  I am not sure that your gonna solve this one easy over irc.  I would search and post on ubuntuforums.org
[01:30] <daaaman64> I am sure there is someone else in your situation.  Is this a laptop?
[01:30] <don> yes it is
[01:30] <K-Ryan> daaaman64: It's not that hard
[01:30] <K-Ryan> don: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[01:31] <NightVVulf> before I had thought that I was only having an issue with a external drive mounting. but it looks like my secondary internal no longer mounts with the system. the drive is part of the install. I'm thinking that when it failed to mount is the reason I have gotten some of the errors I have been dealing with.
[01:31] <don> alright, and what exactly do i do wiht that
[01:31] <K-Ryan> Getting the information to fill that out might be a little tricky
[01:31] <daaaman64> don, I would just google the laptop's model number with the word feisty after that and you'll probably find a solution.
[01:31] <NightVVulf> is there any reason a HD would stop mounting at startup? the drive seems to be working fine.
[01:32] <K-Ryan> NightVVulf: type sudo mount -a in your terminal and let me know what it says.
[01:32] <K-Ryan> don: Google your laptop for your monitor specs then fill out http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[01:32] <K-Ryan> It will give you the information you'll need to put in your xorg.conf
[01:33] <Zeelot> how do you search for a process?
[01:33] <K-Ryan> Well you can use the search bar in ctrl+esc
[01:34] <Zeelot> thank you
[01:34] <K-Ryan> You're welcome ;)
[01:34] <NightVVulf> K-Ryan: Terminal returns with nothing
[01:34] <K-Ryan> NightVVulf: What was the drive's name? ie /dev/hda1, etc.
[01:35] <bomber> son of a beeswax
[01:35] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[01:35] <bomber> i upgraded kubuntu
[01:35] <K-Ryan> From and to?
[01:35] <NightVVulf> K-Ryan: /dev/hdb1
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> bomber: this sounds like a good thing
[01:36] <bomber> and now i cant get the system to boot nongraphica
[01:36] <K-Ryan> NightVVulf: what does sudo mount /dev/hdb1 return?
[01:36] <bomber> in theory Daisuke_Ido it always looks good on paper
[01:37] <don> i went onto google and typed in inspiron 2500 feisty and that didnt help
[01:37] <NightVVulf> K-Ryan: mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:37] <DrX> what type of filesystem (e.g., -t ext3) should i specify when mounting an LVM2 volume?
[01:37] <K-Ryan> don: Read my messages after what that other guy said.
[01:38] <K-Ryan> NightVVulf: Alright, type in kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[01:38] <don> ok i did and im still not sure of what to do
[01:38] <K-Ryan> Sorry guys, gotta go, ask for help in here though someone is bound to help.
[01:39] <NightVVulf> damn
[01:44] <DrX> what does "Linux Native" translate to in a mount -t xxx command?
[01:47] <jacques> hi there
[01:51] <zoohouse> Hello everyone
[01:53] <ziemer> hello
[01:53] <carlosmsv> holaaaaaaaaaaaa alguie habla espaol
[01:54] <carutsu_> don have you tried ubuntu laptop? very nice place
[01:56] <zoohouse> I haveing a weird problem. I am guessing that it is a problem with my video card but I want to see if anyone here might know more about it. I came back from vacationing and powered on my computer. The bios messages came up in a aqua green color. In other words everything that userd to be white is now a weird aqua green color. When I log into my os (kubuntu), the screen has a aqua green haze.. It's super weird. I know my LCD monitor isn't
[01:56] <zoohouse> busted because the monitor has an internal TV tuner and when I watch TV on it, the color is just fine. The problem is with the video feed from the computer. Is that the video card? What might be wrong?
[01:56] <mcrandello> is there a setting that I possibly messed up that would cause ark to not work when invoked from a zipfile on a webpage in konq?
[01:57] <mcrandello> zoohouse: that sounds like what happens when you have a bad cable in a CRT
[01:57] <zoohouse> really?
[01:57] <Minataku> zoohouse: Check the cable or the card
[01:57] <mcrandello> not sure if one of the wires breaking inside the cable would cause aqua-green on an LCD tho
[01:58] <Minataku> One of the two is probably gonna be bad.
[01:58] <zoohouse> Minataku: i tried to tight it before. Let me try removing it and then reconnecting brb
[01:58] <mcrandello> zoohouse: probably not bad right at the plug but where the cable itself first bends
[01:59] <mcrandello> if you can wiggle the cable and the color comes and goes then there's your culprit
[01:59] <zoohouse> yea, it's not the plug... :(
[01:59] <zoohouse> How can that be fixed?
[01:59] <carlosmsv> somebody speak in english?
[01:59] <Nuked> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libra
[01:59] <Nuked> ries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:59] <mcrandello> if it's the cable it's fixed with a new cable
[01:59] <Minataku> zoohouse: I'm thinking your card could be bad
[01:59] <Minataku> Try another monitor if possible
[02:00] <Nuked> what do I install to satisfy that build dep?
[02:00] <carlosmsv> somebody speak in english?
[02:00] <carlosmsv> somebody speak in spanish
[02:00] <Minataku> Or try that LCD on another computer
[02:00] <BluesKaj> carlosmsv, we all speak english here
[02:00] <Nuked> !es
[02:00] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:00] <carlosmsv> somebody speak in spanish
[02:00] <zoohouse> Yea i am going to have to try it on another computer to see for sure
[02:00] <carlosmsv> thank you
[02:00] <zoohouse> ok cool, thanks everyone
[02:00] <mcrandello> gl
[02:00] <Minataku> If the picture is good on a different system
[02:00] <zoohouse> then it's the card
[02:00] <Minataku> The first system has a bad or mis-seated card
[02:01] <Nuked> anyone able to answer my question?
[02:01] <Minataku> Pop it out and reseat it first
[02:01] <zoohouse> gatcha
[02:01] <Minataku> If the problem persists, blame the card
[02:01] <mcrandello> meantime anyone know why I can't download and open zipfiles with ark from konq?
[02:01] <zoohouse> i hope it is that, a misseated card
[02:01] <Minataku> I have a Sun Ultra 1 with a CG6 with the same problem
[02:01] <mcrandello> it's not the cache, I have that turned on and this is a small zipfile
[02:01] <zoohouse> ok thanks Minataku,
[02:01] <Minataku> zoohouse: np
[02:02] <Nuked> Minataku,  any chance you can help with my question?
[02:02] <Minataku> Nuked: Install Qt >=3.3 and <4.0
[02:02] <mcrandello> Nuked: apt-cache search qt|grep dev
[02:02] <Minataku> !info qt
[02:02] <ubotu> Package qt does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:02] <Minataku> !qt
[02:02] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[02:03] <cloyette> I need to know how to configure my wireless connection
[02:03] <Minataku> !info libqt3-mt-dev
[02:03] <ubotu> libqt3-mt-dev: Qt development files (Threaded). In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 47 kB, installed size 164 kB
[02:03] <Minataku> Yeah, you need that one there
[02:03] <Nuked> thanks alot minataku mcrandello
[02:03] <mcrandello> cloyette: type "knetworkmanager &"
[02:03] <cloyette> where?
[02:04] <Minataku> Nuked: np
[02:04] <mcrandello> at a konsole prompt...
[02:04] <zerozero> is there a file somewhere where I can see all of the errors or issues that came up diurning a dist-upgrade?
[02:04] <cloyette> ok
[02:04] <mcrandello> or click on the kde menu then hit "run command"
[02:04] <jacques> it seems that getautomatix is down?
[02:04] <LjL> !automatix
[02:04] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[02:05] <BluesKaj> !WorksForMe
[02:05] <hidan>  !WorksForMe
[02:05] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:05] <Nuked> minataku one more question... the kde headers package is what?
[02:06] <jacques> what is WorksForMe
[02:06] <mcrandello> Nuked: pt-cache search kde|grep headers
[02:06] <Minataku> Nuked: No idea, sorry >.<
[02:06] <mcrandello> erm *apt-cache
[02:06] <Nuked> mcrandello, I did that and its game headers
[02:07] <mcrandello> crap I just realized that one doesn't bring it up sorry
[02:07] <Nuked> mcrandello, do you know which it is?
[02:07] <mcrandello> I'm guessing kde-devel
[02:07] <Nuked> sounds like a plan
[02:08] <K-Ryan> I'm back
[02:08] <mcrandello> "apt-cache search kde|grep devel" lists all the development files one of them should have them
[02:09] <Nuked> kde-devel is such a large package
[02:09] <sa> Hey guys
[02:09] <K-Ryan> Hi there sa
[02:09] <sa> I cannot get my mousepad to work
[02:10] <sa> anyone got any advice?
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Touch pad on a laptop?
[02:10] <sa> yes
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Because mousepad is, never mind.
[02:11] <K-Ryan> !touchpad
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <sa> sorry, touch pad
[02:11] <sa> hehe
[02:11] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[02:11] <K-Ryan> It's okay =P
[02:11] <redoo> Hello
[02:11] <K1765> How do you bring up a process list?
[02:11] <Nuked> ps ax
[02:11] <K-Ryan> K1765: ctrl+esc
[02:11] <JohnFlux> K1765: ctrl+esc
[02:11] <K-Ryan> Hi redoo
[02:11] <K1765> ty.
[02:11] <K-Ryan> sa: I'm not sure, my friend's laptop never had a problem
[02:11] <redoo> need a little help with gaim
[02:11] <sa> hmm
[02:11] <sa> ok
[02:11] <sa> i didnt have a problem on my old laptop either
[02:12] <JohnFlux> !synaptic
[02:12] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[02:12] <K-Ryan> Keep asking around though sa
[02:12] <Nuked> redoo join #gaim
[02:12] <sa> ok, thank you
[02:12] <JohnFlux> sa: bah, look for synaptic
[02:12] <redoo> k thx
[02:12] <JohnFlux> sa: not the package manager, but the usual touchpad drivers
[02:12] <mcrandello> sa also try the Fn key to turn it on/off once just to make sure that isn't it
[02:14] <sa> mcranello
[02:14] <sa> mcranello: just tried the fn key
[02:14] <sa> not it
[02:14] <mcrandello> k
[02:15] <sa> johnflux: where do I look for synaptic?
[02:15] <K-Ryan> It's in System
[02:15] <sa> johnflux: linux newbie :s
[02:15] <K-Ryan> Under the KDE Menu
[02:15] <sa> K-ryan: ok, thank you
[02:15] <K-Ryan> No problem
[02:15] <K-Ryan> You can use Synaptic or Adept
[02:16] <K-Ryan> I prefer Adept myself, and when I know what I want to download I flat out use the terminal
[02:16] <sa> brb
[02:16] <K1765> Could anyone tell me why my system froze up.. when i try a run a game?
[02:16] <Nivuahc> quick question: when creating a new user, how do I give them the ability to sudo other than adding them to the sudo group?
[02:17] <BluesKaj> what are the advantages of using Aptitude to DL & Install apps ?
[02:17] <K-Ryan> K1765: What game?
[02:17] <K1765> WoW
[02:17] <pulaski> hello
[02:17] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I'm told it keeps track of dependencies and and removes them if the package is removed.
[02:17] <K-Ryan> Hi pulaski.
[02:17] <K-Ryan> K1765: There's a Linux version? Or are you using Wine?
[02:17] <K1765> K-Ryan: It would work before I fixed my driver.. now it wont even load up
[02:18] <K1765> K-Ryan: Wine
[02:18] <pulaski> hello K-Ryan, thanks fo responding.
[02:18] <K-Ryan> You're welcome pulaski ;)
[02:18] <BluesKaj> hmm, got mixed feelings about that K-Ryan
[02:18] <K1765> K-Ryan: It will act like it starts the game, but then it doesnt work it.
[02:18] <K-Ryan> K1765: Have you tried #winehq ? I know they're not that helpful as a whole but there are people in there who help others.
[02:18] <pulaski> I need to locate a channel where I can find out about tuning my nfs/samba network.
[02:19] <K-Ryan> K1765: What do you mean by fixed your drivers?
[02:19] <K-Ryan> !samba
[02:19] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:19] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[02:19] <K-Ryan> Try #samba
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> bring on the best MMORPG of all time...  Legend Of The Red Dragon :D
[02:19] <K-Ryan> I think that's it
[02:20] <K-Ryan> Awesome zerozero
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> zerozero: have you rebooted yet?
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> (new kernel and all)
[02:20] <pulaski> yes I use samba to connect my win2k side to my ubuntu file server.  I haven't had much time experiment with it once I was able to write to the drives.
[02:21] <Nivuahc> the only thing I'm left with is the sudo bit
[02:21] <zerozero> i just rebooted and I am still here so I think I am ok
[02:21] <Nivuahc> but it only took me thre days to get here, so
[02:21] <pulaski> however I us NFS to connect my kubuntu 7.04 desktop to my ubuntu 7.4 file server and it is extremely slow
[02:21] <Nivuahc> yay
[02:21] <mcrandello> did sa come back with another nick?
[02:21] <zerozero> i don't have lots of strange stuff on this box, just a basic install plus some programming stuff
[02:21] <Daisuke_Ido> not bad
[02:22] <K1765> K-Ryan: I installed the drivers.. had a lil trouble.. but believe i got them working now
[02:22] <pulaski> I use a 2wire 4 port gateway and I wonder if my problem coulb be firewall related
[02:22] <K-Ryan> K1765: Anything else crash when trying to start it up?
[02:22] <K-Ryan> Anything requiring the drivers
[02:22] <Nivuahc> Anyone: whenever I attempt to run an app that requires sudo through the menu, I get the following error: "Su returned with an error"
[02:23] <pulaski> doesn't seem to be a #nfs channel on this server
[02:23] <jamster545> i need help, QTParted wont open... if you want the konsole output tell me
[02:23] <K-Ryan> !nfs
[02:23] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[02:23] <K-Ryan> Can always try that I guess
[02:23] <pulaski> ok
[02:23] <BluesKaj> pulaski, are you port forwarding thru a router ?
[02:23] <K-Ryan> When in doubt, ask ubotu =P
[02:23] <pulaski> I used that to set it up
[02:23] <mcrandello> !irda
[02:23] <ubotu> Information about using IrDA interfaces under Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IrdaHowto
[02:23] <mcrandello> hey whaddya know
[02:23] <pulaski> yes I think so though I'm not exactly sure
[02:24] <pulaski> BluesKaj
[02:24] <pulaski> thanks
[02:24] <jamster545> i need help! who can help me get QTParted to work???
[02:24] <K1765> K-Ryan: Nope, just cant load the game
[02:24] <K-Ryan> Tried a reinstall?
[02:24] <K1765> K-Ryan: God no, takes 4 hours lol
[02:24] <pulaski> I have a "gateway" aka as a 2wire 4port router
[02:24] <K1765> K-Ryan: I guess i had
[02:24] <K-Ryan> K1765: Four hours? How big is it!?
[02:25] <K1765> K-Ryan: lol its not 4 hours.. its like 30 minutes.. its 5gb+
[02:25] <K-Ryan> Oh, okay
[02:25] <K-Ryan> Well you might want to try that, I'm not particularly experienced with Wine so that's pretty much my only recommendation.
[02:26] <jamster545> i cant get QTParted to work! i pastebinned the output when i tried to use Konsole to open it. output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23188/
[02:26] <K-Ryan> jamster545: Tried Gparted?
[02:26] <jamster545> dont have it...
[02:26] <pulaski> BluesKaj, I my gateway/router can "see" both the ips of my local machines
[02:26] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get install gparted
[02:26] <BluesKaj> pulaski, 2 wire 4port ...pls explain , you have 2 pcs hooked up to router that has 4 port capability
[02:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:26] <K1765> K-Ryan: Thanks for the help.. =)
[02:26] <pulaski> yes exactly
[02:26] <jamster545> QTParted worked until i installed some updates which removed it but then i reinstalled it
[02:26] <K-Ryan> You're welcome K1765, good luck.
[02:26] <pulaski> Blueskaj
[02:27] <K-Ryan> jamster545: You can always try GParted, I hear it's better and it's the only thing that worked for me.
[02:27] <jamster545> hold on
[02:27] <pulaski> the 2wire 4port router/gateway also serves as a DSL modem
[02:27] <K-Ryan> I'm not forcing you, but it's an option.
[02:28] <pulaski> I can admin thru a web interface where I can specifiy apps to pass through the firewall
[02:28] <jamster545> K-Ryan: i put in the command line but when i hit enter nothing happened
[02:28] <K-Ryan> AutoMatriX: Must you do that everytime you join?
[02:28] <pulaski> on either of my computers
[02:28] <BluesKaj> so have I , but we have nop probs with FWs on the router ...just make sur the required ports for whatever apps need them are open TCP and UDP
[02:28] <BluesKaj> pulaski
[02:28] <K-Ryan> jamster545: It should of asked for your password
[02:28] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get install gparted
[02:29] <jamster545> i think i know why it didnt work
[02:29] <pulaski> thanks BluesKaj thats helpul
[02:29] <Nivuahc> Anyone: whenever I attempt to run an app that requires sudo through the menu, I get the following error: "Su returned with an error" <-- anyone got any ideas?
[02:29] <AutoMatriX> K-Ryan: dont know, is there an anti=politeness policy on this chanel ?
[02:29] <jamster545> i just needed a fresh shell to use, K-Ryan
[02:29] <pulaski> I know nfs uses UDP
[02:29] <K-Ryan> jamster545: Ah
[02:29] <jamster545> i used the shell for something earlier and it killed the one that was open
[02:29] <K-Ryan> AutoMatriX: A greeting sure, to all the geeks? That's rather negative is it not?
[02:30] <idefixx> kde doesnt support ico, right? is there a converter or something like that?
[02:30] <pulaski> but I don't know  which port to use or how exactly I should set it up.
[02:30] <AutoMatriX> K-Ryan: I don't think a geek is something negative, but if you say so ...
[02:30] <BluesKaj> pulaski, I'm not a gamer , but i am familiar with port mapping and port forwarding due to my heavy use of torrent clients which like to use certain ports for traffic
[02:31] <jamster545> and GParted works on Kub?
[02:31] <K-Ryan> AutoMatriX: I think it has a negative connotation, personally anyway.
[02:31] <K-Ryan> jamster545: Yes
[02:31] <mcrandello> idefixx: I found something from the wine project that would convert ico's to png's but that was a loooong time ago
[02:31] <BlueBird22>  is there an easy guidance for a noob newbie to make lucent winmodem work on kubuntu ?
[02:31] <AutoMatriX> K-Ryan: ok, whenever I say hello to the geeks, I'll let you out
[02:31] <jamster545> Nivuahc: how do you do those things where it is like narrating an action? i see ppl do them all the time
[02:31] <idefixx> mcrandello: hmm, will give it a try, thx.
[02:32] <Nivuahc> jamster545: you type /me followed by the action
[02:32] <sa> hey guys, back
[02:32] <pulaski> my admin allows a bunch of named games to pass through the firewall by default BluesKaj and it will let me create custom apps to pass through the firewall.
[02:32] <jamster545> oh cool ty
[02:32] <mcrandello> idefixx: it was a native linux app. If you're already running wine I think irfanview will convert most any image format if you already have the ico's out of the executable
[02:32] <sa> just updated and installed touchpad
[02:32] <Nivuahc> jamster545: no problemo :)
[02:32] <K-Ryan> AutoMatriX: No, I understand that's not how you meant it and I don't mind, it's just it seemed like you were being a smart alec when coming into the support channel and saying that. That's how it came off to me, obviously it's not how you meant it, sorry =P
[02:33] <mcrandello> sa: working okay/
[02:33] <mcrandello> sa:I mean working okay?
[02:33] <BluesKaj> pulaski, is the FW you speak of in the gateway or are there software FWs to deal with on various pcs as well ?
[02:33] <pulaski> BluesKaj, I've thought about establishing a "pin hole" through the firewall for the nfs app but I need to know the UDP port number
[02:33] <K-Ryan> It works jamster545?
[02:33] <AutoMatriX> K-Ryan: never mind, I don't have brains enough to remind bad feelings :p
[02:33] <Nivuahc> sooooo.... enabling sudo for a user... one of lifes greatest mysteries
[02:33] <sa> mcrandello: no
[02:33] <pulaski> just on the gateway BluesKaj, thanks
[02:34] <K-Ryan> =P
[02:34] <sa> mcrandello: i am trying to configure the touchpad and it says no driver installed
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Nivuahc: It happens
[02:34] <mcrandello> sa: http://pastebin.ca/520640 here is the section for my touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:34] <pulaski> none that I'm aware of on the file server or my compter
[02:34] <bsundsrud> Nivuahc: it involves adding the user to either the sudoers group or the admin group. maybe both.
[02:34] <sa> mcrandello: ok, thank you
[02:34] <Nivuahc> bsundsrud: did that
[02:34] <BluesKaj> ok pulaski yes, knowing the UDP port #  is essential
[02:34] <idefixx> mcrandello: the gimp can open ico, too. but im actually looking for a tool that makes it into a xpm to keep the different sizes etc.
[02:34] <bsundsrud> check the /etc/sudoers file and look for any other restraints
[02:35] <Nivuahc> bsundsrud: coolio, gonna give that a shot
[02:35] <idefixx> mcrandello: also i dont want to convert it 'by hand' everytime ;)
[02:35] <bsundsrud> careful wiht it though, Nivuahc
[02:35] <mcrandello> sa: kubuntu should ship xorg with the synaptics driver and I think most laptops use /dev/psaux
[02:35] <bsundsrud> tkaebackups :D
[02:35] <bsundsrud> er take backups
[02:35] <bsundsrud> damnedable space bar...
[02:36] <mcrandello> idefixx: iirc I either had a batch process running with irfanview that would convert them to all the different sizes at the same time.
[02:36] <sa> mcrandello: where do i add the lines?
[02:36] <sa> mcrandello: sorry, I am a linux newbi
[02:36] <sa> e
[02:36] <mcrandello> sa: right above or right below whatever other mouse drivers you have in there
[02:36] <jamster545> GOD DAMMIT! none of the root apps that ask for a password other than settings will work! not even adept upgrade!
[02:37] <Nivuahc> bsundsrud: the only entry is this: root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[02:37] <pulaski> I have a linux/NFS HOWTO but which port numbers for UDP didn't jump out at me.  Perhaps I should look harder or BluesKaj if you know of another doc that would be helpfull\, I'd appreciate it.
[02:37] <mcrandello> jamster545: try running like "kdesu adept_updater" or whatever the command
[02:37] <idefixx> mcrandello: alright, sound good will give it a try. thx a bunch
[02:37] <mcrandello> gl!
[02:37] <Nivuahc> and, apparently, it has to be edited with the visudo command
[02:37] <jamster545> i need to get GParted to open too!
[02:38] <athena> lol
[02:38] <athena> it's a script
[02:38] <bsundsrud> Nivuahc: it doesnt, though they want you to.  visudo does syntax checking before it lets to exit.
[02:38] <xGrantx> what type of image does allegro handle natively on linux?
[02:38] <bsundsrud> visudo gives you a vi editor of the sudoers file.
[02:38] <bsundsrud> but i hate vi
[02:38] <cWolfe> vi never did anything to hurt you
[02:38] <sa> mcrandello: sorry for my stupid questions but where are the drivers?
[02:38] <mcrandello> idefixx: if you have the time and the artistic bent I'd reccomend making svg icons with inkscape using the ico's as guides :)
[02:39] <K-Ryan> jamster545: type gparted in the terminal
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Or pick it under KDE Menu > System
[02:39] <mcrandello> sa: the drivers should all pretty much come with xorg, there shouldn't be a need to install anything extra (except ATI or Nvidia video card drivers)
[02:40] <jamster545> maybe i aint logged into root...
[02:40] <bsundsrud> cWolfe: vi killed my dog.
[02:40] <jamster545> it was all like " Since GParted can be a weapon of mass destruction it may only be run in root"
[02:40] <BluesKaj> pulaski, it's quite straightforward i think , if you can a get a manual for your router/gateway IP addy or address text , like my network or something , then it's quite simple to navigate to the port mapping page to set the ports.
[02:41] <jamster545> i need to log off for a minute so dont go anywhere!
[02:41] <sa> mcrandello: I am a bit lost, sorry!
[02:41] <mcrandello> jamster545: try sudo -i
[02:41] <idefixx> mcrandello: yeah i figured that.. why doesnt kde support ico files, why would i want layer less files to store icons?
[02:41] <pulaski> yes I have a manual for my gateway
[02:41] <Nivuahc> bsundsrud: thanks, that did the trick!
[02:41] <pulaski> I have the IPs
[02:41] <bsundsrud> Nivuahc: what did the trick?
[02:42] <bsundsrud> haha
[02:42] <idefixx> mcrandello: rhetorical question btw ;)
[02:42] <BluesKaj> what is your router pulaski
[02:42] <pulaski> I have a portmapper on the server
[02:42] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:42] <mcrandello> idefixx: that I don't have an answer to. Perhaps there is a patent or copyright issue putting ico support in ;P
[02:42] <bsundsrud> im oblivious help man! I'll help without realizing it!
[02:42] <Nivuahc> bsundsrud: I edited /etc/sudoers and edded an entry for moi
[02:42] <bsundsrud> ok
[02:42] <Nivuahc> and erry-ting is a-okay
[02:42] <pulaski> its called a 2wire 4port router model #1701HG Gateway BluesKaj
[02:43] <pulaski> it has a web admin interface
[02:43] <mcrandello> sa: basically that little snippet of code should go into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. the "synaptic" driver it's asking for should already be there, ready to use I beleive
[02:43] <BluesKaj> cool pulaski , as long as you can access it ... being at home i don't bother with a pw cuz wifey leaves that stuff to me
[02:43] <pulaski> pw?
[02:43] <BluesKaj> password
[02:43] <pulaski> ok
[02:43] <sa> mcrandello: ok, that is what I needed to know. Where the code should be added
[02:44] <soulrider_> lol, i was repairing a windows computer
[02:44] <soulrider_> and windows update would make windows crash
[02:44] <idefixx> mcrandello: i know at least 2 other foss tools that support icons, but not that many if you think about it. i'll have to read up on that.
[02:44] <Minataku> I have a password on all my machines
[02:44] <mcrandello> sa: try typing "kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" from a konsole window or click the k menu then select "run command" and type it
[02:44] <sa> mcrandello: ok
[02:44] <Minataku> Well, all the ones that'll take a password
[02:45] <pulaski> ok Bluekaj, between the gateway manual and the Linux/NFS HOWTO I should be able to solve my problem.  Thanks alot for your help BlueKaj..
[02:45] <sa> mcrandello: hmmm
[02:45] <sa> mcrandello: it is empty
[02:45] <mcrandello> idefixx: I remember I used a couple of dodgy shareware type apps in wine a while back to rip every single ico in my wine inst. Then I zipped them and emailed them to myself so I wouldn't lose them ever
[02:45] <Minataku> Say
[02:45] <Minataku> Does Windows still have MORICONS.DLL ?
[02:46] <mcrandello> sa: that definitely should not be empty
[02:46] <sa> i got a message saying error something
[02:46] <athena> Minataku, yes
[02:46] <mcrandello> sa: open a konsole, type kate /etc/X and then hit <tab> on the kb
[02:46] <athena> slocate MORICONS.DLL: /windows/WINDOWS/system32/moricons.dll
[02:46] <droach> Has anyone tried that stupid "Tweak Ubuntu for speed" guide
[02:46] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:47] <Minataku> I remember that from back in Windows 3.1
[02:47] <BlueBird22>  is there an easy guidance for a noob newbie to make lucent winmodem work on kubuntu ?
[02:47] <sa> mcrandello: ok
[02:47] <mcrandello> really though ico's are a horrible horrible image format that look like barbequed ass on a modern system
[02:47] <Minataku> !winmodem
[02:47] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[02:47] <Minataku> No, I don't, I want to know about winmodems
[02:47] <Minataku> THAT'S WHY I TYPED THAT
[02:47] <mcrandello> sa: it should "reccomend" something or complete to /etc/X11
[02:47] <Minataku> BlueBird22: If you're lucky, that'll help you
[02:47] <BlueBird22> Minataku i need an easy way.
[02:48] <zerozero> one could argue that winmodems never really did work
[02:48] <Minataku> If you're not, then sorry
[02:48] <idefixx> mcrandello: i know cedega can grab and store icons from exe files - but only from inside its ui, no command tool. also i dont know how its stores them.
[02:48] <sa> mcrandello: i have xdg and xml to chose from
[02:48] <sa> mcrandello: no xll
[02:48] <mcrandello> sa: capitol X
[02:48] <Jamster545> K-Ryan, i couldnt find my root account
[02:48] <mcrandello> rule one in unix-linux. CaPs CouNt
[02:49] <droach> anyone know any programming channels?
[02:49] <Minataku> ecks-one-one
[02:49] <Minataku> X11
[02:49] <Jamster545> i think i am on it
[02:49] <Minataku> Jamster545: Is your username "jamie" ?
[02:49] <sa> mcrandello: hahaha, that was the problem...so sorry
[02:49] <mcrandello> np :) we are all learners
[02:50] <mcrandello> once you get into the xorg.conf file be very careful, one wrong letter can ruin your day.
[02:50] <K-Ryan> Jamie Schnaitter?
[02:51] <mcrandello> sa: probably should also let you know the command should be "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" you can just copy/paste that from here and it should work
[02:51] <mcrandello> if that doesn't work it's "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[02:51] <sa> mcrandello: ok
[02:52] <sa> mcrandello: I as able to open the file by writing only kate
[02:52] <mcrandello> need to use sudo or kdesu then
[02:52] <mcrandello> sa: once you're in, look for the line "Configured Mouse" or something like that
[02:52] <sa> mcrandello ok
[02:53] <mcrandello> right after that section, below the line "EndSection" is where you paste that snippet
[02:53] <mcrandello> it's like html where everything has an opening and closing tag
[02:54] <K1765> I try to install the driver, I do sudo sh etc.. and it loads.. it gets to the kernel source tree to install
[02:54] <mcrandello> but before you make any changes I'd also reccomend saving it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[02:54] <K1765> and it says needs kernel source tree to install**
[02:54] <mcrandello> always back up important files even if you know exactly what you're doing
[02:55] <K1765> where can i get kernel source tree files >.>
[02:55] <mcrandello> K1765: sudo apt-get install linux-source
[02:55] <K1765> tys
[02:55] <DRaGo> darn middle mouse button keeps changing my nick
[02:56] <K1765> mcrandello: and thats all i have to do right?
[02:56] <sa> mcrandello: found the configured mouse
[02:56] <sa> it is within one section
[02:56] <mcrandello> K1765: should be. you might also need to sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:56] <K1765> Got that already. Thanks!!
[02:57] <mcrandello> sa: right after that EndSection start looking for something like what's in that pastebin page
[02:57] <mcrandello> just to make sure it isn't already in there. If it is then pasting it again probably won't help
[02:59] <sa> Mcrandello: found it. it looks exactly the same
[02:59] <K-Ryan> Huh? What?
[03:00] <K1765> Now it says: please install kernel source files
[03:00] <jamster545> i was here a minute ago, got D/C'd and stuff but before D/C you were like not responding to talk or pinging
[03:00] <sa> mcrandello: i restarted x after installing. Maybe I need to restart the whole computer?
[03:00] <kerberos> que ondas
[03:00] <K-Ryan> jamster545: I don't think your messages got through then, because I didn't get anything,.
[03:00] <mcrandello> sa: you should just be able to restart X and it should work
[03:01] <sa> mcrandello: hmm...let me try again...brb
[03:01] <kerberos> alguien sabe como instalar ndiswapper
[03:01] <xGrantx> uh, are there known problems with the allegro keyboard input and linux? it doesn't seem to be working for me
[03:01] <kerberos> me marca error
[03:01] <K1765> mcrandello: Now it says please install kernel source files
[03:01] <DRaGo> how do i take my ip address of of the hostmask
[03:02] <jamster545> i couldnt get gparted to run in KDE or Konsole... what should i do... it said i need to be logged into root the exact wording was: " SInce GParted can be a weapon of mass destruction, you must be logged in a s root to use it
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Did it really say that?
[03:02] <K-Ryan> That's great
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Try kdesu gparted
[03:02] <jamster545> i know
[03:02] <jamster545> wtf?
[03:02] <mcrandello> K1765: try running uname -r
[03:02] <K-Ryan> kdesu is the command to run things as root
[03:02] <jamster545> u mean in console ok
[03:02] <kerberos> anybody help me?
[03:03] <K-Ryan> kdesu for graphical programs, sudo for terminal related stuff
[03:03] <K-Ryan> Yes jamster545
[03:03] <K1765> mcrandello: sudo uname -r?
[03:03] <mcrandello> K1765: actually just "uname -r"
[03:03] <mcrandello> K1765: then apt-cache search linux-headers
[03:03] <K1765> 2.6.20-16-386
[03:03] <jamster545> it didnt work...
[03:04] <jamster545> do you want the output?
[03:04] <K1765> ok.. now.. should i retry?
[03:04] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, and it's not in System under KDE Menu?
[03:04] <mcrandello> alright then "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.20-16-386 "
[03:04] <mcrandello> maybe that will make it happy
[03:04] <kerberos> i cant install ndiswrapper
[03:04] <K1765> Hope so, this is pain ahha
[03:04] <jamster545> it is but when i tried to use it from there it wouldnt do anything after i entered mypassword
[03:04] <K1765> ok.. im going to retry. brb.
[03:04] <K-Ryan> Try again
[03:04] <K-Ryan> Make sure the password is correct
[03:05] <jamster545> still nothing
[03:05] <jamster545> hold on
[03:05] <jamster545> do you want the output from the one time?
[03:05] <sa> mcrandello: it worked but I had to restart the whole system
[03:05] <mcrandello> oh
[03:05] <sa> mcrandello: x was not enough
[03:05] <mcrandello> interesting
[03:06] <sa> mcrandello: thanx for the help!
[03:06] <mcrandello> np glad it worked
[03:06] <sa> mcrandello: one last question: what is the difference between ATI and NVIDIA video cards?
[03:06] <jamster545> do you want the konsole output from when i tried kdesu?
[03:07] <sa> mcrandello: and how do I know that my video card is working properly
[03:07] <mcrandello> ATI = a world of pain if you run linux, NVIDIA not so much
[03:07] <K1765> ok....... that worked, until it starting installing kernel modules then it said error lol
[03:07] <sa> mcrandello: i dont know what card I have, I think it is an ATI hehe
[03:08] <dregorth> mcrandello: and i thought it was the reverse just from seeing so many posts about that stuff in forums :P
[03:08] <K1765> mcrandello: It says now ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module.
[03:08] <jamster545> OOH! i made it work!
[03:08] <K1765> mcrandello: Other than that.. it was working.
[03:08] <jamster545> shoots*
[03:08] <K1765> off*
[03:08] <mcrandello> K1765: well you're a little farther
[03:08] <K-Ryan> Sorry again
[03:09] <K-Ryan> I had to go afk for a minute there
[03:09] <jamster545> i fixed it
[03:09] <mcrandello> !ati
[03:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <K1765> mcrandello: How do I delete the current kernel module i have installed?
[03:09] <jamster545> i typed in sudo gparted
[03:09] <jamster545> and it worked
[03:09] <K-Ryan> sudo eh?
[03:09] <K-Ryan> Is it running in the terminal?
[03:09] <jamster545> yep then it opened a graphical instance
[03:09] <jamster545> hold on
[03:09] <mcrandello> K1765: is this one you installed from NVIDIA, or one that came with kubuntu?
[03:09] <jamster545> i typed it in and it loaded the files then opened a graphical window
[03:09] <K-Ryan> Strange, kdesu is meant for graphical apps
[03:10] <K-Ryan> But if it works, good
[03:10] <jamster545> well it was running in terminal then it opened a graphical window
[03:10] <K1765> mcrandello: NVIDIA, i believe.. I installed version 9755 first, now im trying to install version 8774
[03:10] <K-Ryan> Can you do what you need to do with it?
[03:10] <sa> !ati
[03:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <jamster545> probably... havent tried
[03:10] <K-Ryan> Try =P
[03:10] <jamster545> AFK
[03:10] <mcrandello> K1765: I'm hesitant to give this advice, but what I wind up doing every time I install new drivers for my ati or a new kernel is this...
[03:10] <mcrandello> first switch to /lib/modules
[03:11] <mcrandello> then find .|grep fglrx
[03:11] <sa> mcrandello: thanks alot! going to bed now. it is 3 in the morning where i am  :)
[03:11] <sa> good night everyone!
[03:11] <mcrandello> sa np gl!
[03:11] <K-Ryan> G'night sa
[03:11] <mcrandello> K1765: you'll need to substitute the name of your video modules instead of fglrx
[03:11] <K-Ryan> jamster545: You really like /me don't you?
[03:11] <jamster545> maybe
[03:11] <mcrandello> then I sudo rm them one by one, then install the new ones
[03:12] <klobster> my new favorite error message:   "the
[03:12] <klobster> The program 'fglrxinfo' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[03:12] <klobster> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:12] <K-Ryan> I don't get it
[03:12] <K-Ryan> I think I get it
[03:12] <mcrandello> note that this is dangerous and probably not reccomended
[03:12] <klobster> oops sorry I meant
[03:13] <klobster> The program 'apt-get' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[03:13] <klobster> sudo apt-get install apt
[03:13] <K-Ryan> Hahahahahahaha
[03:13] <K1765> mcrandello: in konsole?? goto /lib/modules?? i dont see a .|grep fglrx
[03:13] <K-Ryan> That's not real is it?
[03:13] <mcrandello> K1765: that's part of the command
[03:13] <K-Ryan> What did I do? I said kdesu it
[03:13] <mcrandello> find . will find everything in that directory and all subdirs
[03:13] <jamster545> it wont let me resize or change my partitions
[03:13] <miguel> hi everyone...I need some help configuring my sound card. it's not detected
[03:13] <K-Ryan> That's because they're mounted...
[03:13] <mtv> i am having issues with audio.  I am running dapper with Intel ICH5 audio card
[03:14] <jamster545> when i try to unmount them it says it cant
[03:14] <klobster> I got the error msg, it was because of a bad fstab config, but I did get the error.
[03:14] <savetheWorld> !wiki
[03:14] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[03:14] <mcrandello> "find .|grep poo" will find everything but only display the items that have "poo" in the name or path
[03:14] <K-Ryan> klobster: That's like "No keyboard was detected, press any key to continue"
[03:14] <jamster545> lmao
[03:14] <K-Ryan> jamster545: What drive is it?
[03:14] <mcrandello> fatal error: success!
[03:14] <K-Ryan> Heheh
[03:14] <K1765> mcrandello: so whats the command.. lol im a complete kubuntu noob
[03:15] <jamster545> i only have one! it was like dev/sda
[03:15] <mcrandello> in /lib/modules you type "find .|grep whateverthenameofyourdriverhere"
[03:15] <jamster545> During setup the mouse cant be used, click here to continue
[03:16] <K-Ryan> jamster545: Use the drop down box on the top right to switch HDDs
[03:16] <K-Ryan> jamster545: That one makes sense believe it or not.
[03:16] <jamster545> it shows the right hard drive and partitions1 i only have one HDD anyway
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Okay
[03:16] <jamster545> no mouse connected, click to continue
[03:16] <K1765> mcrandello: now what
[03:16] <K-Ryan> There you go =P
[03:17] <K-Ryan> Okay, if you're trying to resize something important and can't unmount it because it's so important you'll have to do it from a LiveCD
[03:17] <jamster545> no internet connection detected! connected to IRC
[03:17] <jamster545> oh!
[03:17] <mcrandello> K1765: I'll reccomend the safe way: "sudo mv /path/to/driver/drivername /tmp" for each version of the nvidia driver you have
[03:18] <K-Ryan> Don't get me started with Windows-bashing-Linux-quotes
[03:18] <K-Ryan> Err
[03:18] <jamster545> do it do it!
[03:18] <mcrandello> maybe write down where they came from in case the system goes pear shaped
[03:18] <K-Ryan> Linux-bashing-Windows-quotes
[03:18] <jamster545> i hear somebody's car alarm going off
[03:18] <K1765> mcrandello: now only if i knew where NVIDIA installed my drivers lol
[03:19] <mcrandello> K1765: I'd try getting the new ones installed first,then if it's still using the old ones worry about removing them
[03:19] <Tired_> where would one look to see if a particular piece of hardware s compatible with Kubuntu?
[03:19] <mcrandello> linux is usually better about old drivers laying around than windows is
[03:20] <mcrandello> Tired_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/
[03:20] <Tired_> isn't tldp horrifically out o date?
[03:20] <mcrandello> maybe
[03:20] <carutsu_> mcrandello: agreed while windows will hardly work with older hardware, linux most likelly handle it
[03:21] <mcrandello> what hardware you worried about?
[03:21] <mcrandello> it *is* copyrighted through 2007 so someone at least touched the page
[03:21] <Tired_> it's a Hauppage ATSC tv tuner card...the HVR-1600
[03:22] <DrX> how do I see which files contain a specific string?
[03:22] <bsundsrud> fgrep
[03:22] <K-Ryan> !wine > jamster545
[03:22] <mrobin> hola todos
[03:23] <bsundsrud> guten abend
[03:23] <stanley> hi guys...i have a pretty big prob
[03:24] <DrX> bsundsrud: so fgrep -R -F ":/dev/cdrom" / will list all files on the root partition that contain the quoted string literal?
[03:24] <mtv> what is the best method for upgrading to 7.04 from 6.06
[03:24] <rolnyzx> DrX, grep
[03:24] <stanley> anything i try to open that needs root access says: "su has returned an error"
[03:24] <stanley> what could this be??
[03:24] <DrX> rolnyzx: grep just sez there's a match, but won't tell me which files match (stupid grep)
[03:24] <mcrandello> Tired_: signs point to no http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2733804
[03:24] <rolnyzx> DrX, flags
[03:25] <Tired_> Hmm.  Well, that saves me $100.  Thanks.
[03:25] <bsundsrud> DrX: i did fgrep 'somethingtosearchfor' -R <files> and it worked.
[03:26] <joedoc55> stanley: did you set a root password?
[03:26] <bsundsrud> DrX:  if you search /, that will search every file currently mounted
[03:26] <mcrandello> stanley: are you running it like "su command"? try "sudo command" or "sudo -i" then run the command from the root prompt
[03:26] <rolnyzx> grep -l string *
[03:27] <mcrandello> stanley: or "kdesu command" if it's a kde program
[03:27] <bsundsrud> DrX: and when using fgrep, the -F is implied
[03:28] <mcrandello> anyone on here good with irda dongles?
[03:28] <rolnyzx> grep -l string * , gives you filenames that contain the match
[03:28] <DrX> bsundsrud: what did you put for <files>?
[03:29] <bsundsrud> DrX: I was in ~ and did *
[03:29] <bsundsrud> but you can do / if you really want to
[03:30] <DrX> I did * in ~ and it showed nothing but I just pulled the text from a file in /etc/...
[03:30] <mcrandello> gnight all
[03:30] <DrX> bsundsrud: how do i specify search all subdirectories?
[03:31] <bsundsrud> the -R does it recursively
[03:31] <DrX> bsundsrud: but it didn't find the file i just copied and pasted the text from on the / device
[03:31] <bsundsrud> hmm
[03:32] <K1765> Anyone know why I get Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. when i try to install driver
[03:36] <K1765> NVIDIA.. always has to make this confusing.. and things that are a pain in the arse.. lol
[03:37] <sparr> ktorrent only uploads while I am downloading, and then only a little.  what could cause that?
[03:38] <K1765> I think everyone died
[03:39] <trakinas> hey
[03:39] <dsmith_> why do shell script icons remain blank?
[03:40] <K1765> how do i run a .bin
[03:40] <trakinas> my dvd pioneer isnt working properly... i tested on my mate's computer and it worked alone on the 2nd IDE with Cable Select, like it is now... but, it isnt work here in my computer. KDE Center says it is a CD-ROM drive (and in scsi...). It used to work on gentoo without any trouble - and it wasnt accessed through scsi.
[03:41] <trakinas> K1765: check if it has executable properties.
[03:41] <K1765> trakinas: yes it does, so how do I run it lol
[03:41] <trakinas> K1765: then ./name-of-the-app on the terminal. dont remember how to run out of the terminal
[03:42] <trakinas> *working.
[03:42] <rolnyzx> trakinas, weren't you the one who told me this morning his DVD drive wasn't the problem when receiving an IO error on mount?
[03:43] <trakinas> rolnyzx: no.. i did told you about the IO, but i didnt say it wasnt the problem.
[03:43] <rick_> ok I'm tired of googling and going through menu options.. I have an external task bar at the bottom and the main bar up top, how do i get my bottom external task bar to be only 1 menu item high? (right now it's double)
[03:43] <trakinas> curiously, his pc has windows only. it didnt work before i changed it to cable select.
[03:44] <rick_> i shrunk the size of the main bar which makes it only 1 level high for the main bar.. but it doesn't seem to apply to the external task bar
[03:44] <K1765> How do I run a .bin in terminal?
[03:44] <trakinas> K1765: one sec. Im not registered, cant reply u on pvt
[03:44] <rick_> K1 try ./nameoffile.bin
[03:45] <trakinas> rick_: he has troubles with permission
[03:45] <rolnyzx> trakinas, do you have any live cd distro?
[03:45] <K1765> bash: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: Permission denied
[03:45] <K1765> bash: bash:: command not found
[03:45] <trakinas> K1765: ls -hl file.bin
[03:45] <K1765> kk
[03:45] <rolnyzx> well of course, it's not gonna load
[03:45] <trakinas> rolnyzx: (k)ubuntu, Kurumin and gentoo.
[03:46] <trakinas> but Kurumin and (k)Ubuntu will mount it on scsi, since they are debian based, right?
[03:46] <rick_> oh ok then first chmod 755 file name
[03:47] <trakinas> K1765: you dont have permission to execute the file.
[03:47] <K1765> michael@homepc:~$ ls -hl ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[03:47] <K1765> -rwxrwxrwx 1 michael michael 5.6M 2007-05-29 21:40 ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[03:47] <trakinas> now you should be able to run... lol
[03:48] <trakinas> rolnyzx: so... you asked me if i have a live distro. so??
[03:48] <rick_> man this shouldn't be this difficult to figure out how to cahnge the height of this external task bar
[03:49] <rolnyzx> I was going to tell you to load the distro to see if it detects the DVD. But I guess it won't even load
[03:49] <skunk> hey got a question maybe you guys could help me with. no matter what i try, i cant get my ntfs partition to mount where users can access via konqueror. keeps saying they dont have permissions even when i add that user into the root group
[03:49] <trakinas> rolnyzx: good idea! i will try to boot one.
[03:50] <trakinas> rolnyzx: on the other tests, i tried booting through cd-rom and opening the dvd-rom
[03:50] <K1765> It says: Could not find an approptriate hxplay or realplay in the system path to use as an embedded player
[03:50] <trakinas> (2 drives, ofcourse. =P )
[03:50] <K1765> How can I change that?
[03:50] <trakinas> K1765: you should have helixplayer installed... that's why i always try mplayer real-mode. heheheh
[03:51] <K1765> sudo apt-get install helixplayer?
[03:51] <trakinas> K1765: i cannot help you since i never used real player gold in linux.
[03:51] <trakinas> in fact, not even in windows... always used alternatives... =P
[03:51] <rick_> wow i figured it out.. but that is definitely misleading.
[03:51] <K1765> well how do i get mplayer
[03:51] <trakinas> brb
[03:52] <trakinas> K1765: like any other apps. but Im not sure if it will come with quicktime and real as default.
[03:52] <intelikey> rick_ i just got here. may i ask what it was that was misleading?
[03:52] <trakinas> brb (for real...)
[03:52] <rick_> for those who care... if you shrink the main bar first then go 'add external bar' it ends up still double... but then if you go in and change the settings of the font size it works..
[03:53] <rick_> the odd part is you might have your main font setting just how you want it..
[03:53] <rick_> but you then have to mess with it just to get the external task bar size correct
[03:53] <rick_> that seems like a bug to me.
[03:53] <intelikey> oh kicker dubblets...   yes many have complained about that.
[03:54] <rick_> oh so they are aware of it.. that's good
[03:54] <Jucato> double? dubblets? O.o
[03:54] <rick_> you should be able to adjust them indempendently
[03:54] <intelikey> rick_ yes i expect changes in the next release.
[03:54] <rick_> cool thanks for the update intelikey
[03:55] <Jucato> rick_: you added another panel (external taskbar), but modifying the size only affects the main panel?
[03:56] <dsmith_> seems fiesty is running nicely, even installed the nvidia drivers with automatix2
[03:56] <rick_> Jucato:  the steps were: I adjust main panel how i like it. (set tiny to size of icons). I then remove the task bar from main panel. Do add new external task bar and move it to bottom. the bottom one will now be double.
[03:56] <rick_> Jucato: the fix is to then mess with the settings again on the main bar.
[03:58] <trakinas> a big hello from kubuntu live-cd booted from my DVD-R drive.
[03:58] <trakinas> which makes things more even bizzare
[03:58] <Jucato> rick_: or: add external taskbar, restart kicker (the panel) with the command "dcop kicker kicker restart". right-click on the external taskbar -> Configure External Taskbar -> go to the Arrangement options, select External taskbar from the dropdown list at the top. then adjust the size
[03:59] <intelikey> or use blackbox   :)
[04:00] <Jucato> or just a plain Panel and add a Taskbar applet to it...
[04:00] <Jucato> or...
[04:00] <intelikey> or...
[04:00] <trakinas> folks, this is really strange... why cant I copy a file from a dvd-r media but it does open the media and does boot kubutu?
[04:00] <intelikey> and you can...
[04:01] <intelikey> trakinas copy to where ?
[04:01] <jarn> How do I make it so NTFS partitions are mounted readable?
[04:01] <jarn> Currently I have to sudo cd into them.
[04:01] <trakinas> intelikey: from the drive to the hdd
[04:01] <intelikey> trakinas copy to where ?
[04:01] <trakinas> intelikey: my home folder
[04:02] <intelikey> jarn mount -o ro,umask=000
[04:02] <jarn> intelikey: Is there any way to make it so fstab does that?
[04:02] <intelikey> jarn yes.   add those option
[04:02] <palmdev13> on-subject question: say you accidentally deleted fstab. is there an easy way to rebuild it?
[04:03] <trakinas> jarn configure it like anyother fstab entry.
[04:03] <rick_> ok thanks Jucato
[04:03] <jarn> trakinas: That doesn't work.
[04:03] <intelikey> trakinas you or should i say "ubuntu" doesn't have permission to write to /media/hdd/home/<username>/   and shouldn't have.
[04:03] <jarn> intelikey: Thanks! That worked great!
[04:04] <trakinas> jarn: what does not work? configuring NTFS partition with its properties like you do any thing on fstab?
[04:04] <jarn> trakinas: If you set the same options for an NTFS partition that you would for any other partition.
[04:05] <intelikey> gentilemen.  fs   not partition.
[04:06] <intelikey> partition type is totally irrelevent.  fs (file system) type ie the thing in question.
[04:06] <intelikey> call me pedantic but it does matter.
[04:06] <trakinas> intelikey: i beg your pardon. i meant ntfs filesystem. ?P
[04:06] <trakinas> one sec. i will reboot and paste the output error here. brb
[04:07] <rick_> also i guess this is a small gripe but shouldn't there be just a custom menu related to "just the external task bar" when i go and select "configure external task bar"
[04:08] <rick_> Jucato: i restarted it and it's still not really behaving that great.. it will accept tiny on the main bar but not ont he external task bar
[04:08] <intelikey> rick_ no not really.  you are configuring kicker.  whether the main bar or additional bars it's still one app.
[04:08] <jarn> intelikey: Uh, it's not like people are saying that their partition is of type NTFS.
[04:09] <jarn> intelikey: That's like saying that "mp3 player" is wrong because it's a player that plays mp3s.
[04:09] <Jucato> rick_: are you sure you selected External Taskbar from the drop down list at the top?
[04:09] <kalorin> jarn, my mp3 player is wrong!
[04:09] <jarn> kalorin: That's a shame.     LC-ALL=C mount
[04:15] <rick_> she'll be overwhelmed with the gimp
[04:15] <trakinas> intelikey: good one!
[04:15] <intelikey> ooops   LC_ALL mount     my bad.
[04:16] <intelikey> hehe still bad aint it.
[04:16] <intelikey> ooops   LC_ALL=C mount     my bad.
[04:16] <trakinas> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[04:16] <intelikey> any way  the cotton picken dash is an underscore
[04:16] <trakinas> intelikey: no problem.
[04:17] <intelikey> trakinas not mount blah      just plain mount
[04:17] <intelikey>  LC_ALL=C mount
[04:17] <trakinas> ah! sorry!!
[04:17] <intelikey> so i can see how it mounted.
[04:17] <trakinas>  /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro)
[04:17] <intelikey> ok nothing that should object to users reading that....  hmmmm.
[04:18] <intelikey> and if you    ls /media/cdrom0             it lists files/dirs
[04:18] <intelikey> ?
[04:18] <trakinas> intelikey: when KDE auto-mounts it: /dev/scd0 on /media/disk type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uid=1000,utf8)
[04:19] <trakinas> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 849M 2007-05-28 17:07 /media/cdrom0/entrevista.avi
[04:19] <intelikey> ok nothing in the perms that would keep you from reading it
[04:19] <intelikey> echo $UID
[04:20] <trakinas> 1000
[04:20] <intelikey> well that consistant....   hmmmm.
[04:21] <intelikey> and    ls /media/disk       you can't read ?
[04:21] <trakinas> weird -> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/timmy/entrevistaavi': Permission denied
[04:21] <intelikey> there's your problem.  not reading the disk   but writing to your home.
[04:21] <trakinas> intelikey: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 890110004 2007-05-28 17:07
[04:22] <trakinas> intelikey: yep. but look...
[04:22] <trakinas> i can create a file on vi...
[04:22] <intelikey> and ?
[04:22] <intelikey> you need write permission
[04:22] <trakinas> i can... no permission denied...
[04:22] <trakinas> i meant...
[04:23] <intelikey> sudo chmod 755 ~/
[04:23] <trakinas> timmy@wintermute:~$ vi test.txt does not give any wrong msg
[04:24] <intelikey> ok then lets look a little closer at the error.    ls -l /home/timmy/entrevistaavi
[04:24] <trakinas> -r-xr-xr-x 1 timmy timmy 65536 2007-05-29 23:12 entrevista.avi
[04:25] <intelikey> can't write that
[04:25] <intelikey> no write perms.
[04:25] <intelikey> read/exec   but no write
[04:25] <trakinas> but this is the file copied from the dvd-r...
[04:25] <intelikey> chmod 644 /home/timmy/entrevistaavi
[04:26] <intelikey> chmod 644 /home/timmy/entrevista.avi
[04:26] <intelikey> as case may be.
[04:26] <trakinas> intelikey: done... now?
[04:26] <intelikey> now you have write permission there.
[04:27] <trakinas> intelikey: wow!!! cp: reading `/media/cdrom0/timmy.avi': Input/output error
[04:28] <intelikey> is it still mounted there or did you remount it on /media/disk     seems like you mentioned that.
[04:29] <trakinas> intelikey: unmounted... for sure!
[04:29] <intelikey> wb Jucato
[04:30] <trakinas> same thing! i will pastebin it. one sec...
[04:30] <Jucato> thanks
[04:31] <AmyRose> Why is my hard drive /dev/hda again after the last kernel update?
[04:33] <trakinas> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/520996
[04:33] <intelikey> trakinas also as per you statement "but this is the file copied from the dvd-r"  cp will default to using the umask set for your account   but there are switches that cause cp to "preserve ownership/attrabutes"  which is undesireable when copying from cd drives in most cases.
[04:34] <trakinas> intelikey: hmmmm... so, how should I copy it? I mean, any special flag?
[04:35] <trakinas> gosh! just now i noticed we are in freenode. :P
[04:36] <intelikey> `/home/timmy/timmy.avi': Permissao negada  <<<< same problemo as per other file.  no?     same solution.   chmod 644
[04:36] <trakinas> on the drive?
[04:38] <intelikey> trakinas cp also has switch. " -f, --force "    you can use in such cases.
[04:38] <intelikey> trakinas man cp     for details
[04:38] <trakinas> ok!
[04:39] <intelikey> any other issues for the moment ?    if not i'll be idleing about.   but busy.
[04:42] <intelikey> trakinas one other note.   FFR & FYI  dirs. have to be executed.  if you do something like   chmod 644 ~/*   you must chmod to 755 or some other executable value the dirs or you can't cd into them nor use anything in their sub-dirs.
[04:42] <Minataku> Yeah
[04:43] <intelikey> just thought you might want to know, before you broke something and wondered why.
[04:43] <Minataku> Directories must have execute permission to be traveresd into
[04:43] <Minataku> *traversed
[04:43] <trakinas> intelikey: is there any ls command to check directories permitions?
[04:43] <Minataku> ls -la
[04:43] <Minataku> Well, ls -l
[04:43] <Minataku> Sorry, habit X3
[04:43] <intelikey> ls -ld
[04:43] <trakinas> dub! heheehe
[04:44] <intelikey> the -d switch shows the dir   without it you get the content there of.
[04:45] <trakinas> 755 is: read write execute and read write, yes?
[04:45] <intelikey> example.   ls -l ~/Desktop      then  ls -ld ~/Desktop
[04:45] <trakinas> intelikey: yep! but is so obvious to use -d... heheheh.
[04:46] <trakinas> yep1 ive just never used ls for dirs, only files. ;]
[04:46] <intelikey> numeric binarry perms.     111 = 7   read,write,exec
[04:46] <jarn> What are good web browsers other than Konqueror and Firefox? Both of them give me problems.
[04:46] <trakinas> yep... i juts never now it values...
[04:47] <trakinas> like, chmod 777 are the sum of the values for right, read and execute.
[04:47] <kalorin`> jarn
[04:47] <kalorin`> use IE
[04:47] <Minataku> Read, Write, Execute
[04:47] <intelikey> first octet is owner   second is group   third is other    755 = 111,101,101 = rwx,r-x,r-x
[04:47] <Minataku> 4, 2, 1
[04:47] <kalorin`> <--- though I personally do not
[04:47] <jarn> kalorin`: Ehh... I'd rather not, thanks. :P
[04:47] <trakinas> when i list files or dir, it shows rwx, no numbers.
[04:47] <Minataku> It's binary weight
[04:47] <kalorin`> you can use IE under linux
[04:47] <trakinas> Minataku: thanks
[04:47] <Minataku> np
[04:48] <kalorin`> there's an IE for linux version out
[04:48] <kalorin`> !ie
[04:48] <ubotu> For Irish whiskey and ubuntu support, visit #ubuntu-ie, Ta an uisce beatha agus cuidi Ubuntu ar #ubuntu-ie, Bag filte ort
[04:48] <trakinas> jarn: Opera
[04:48] <Minataku> r has a weight of 4, w has a weight of 2, x has a weight of 1
[04:48] <jarn> kalorin`: I know you can. That doesn't mean I want to use it.
[04:48] <intelikey> there are  10 kinds of people in the world.     those that understand binarry and those that dont.
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> jarn: there's always vanilla mozilla (aka seamonkey)
[04:49] <trakinas> most dirs are 761..
[04:49] <trakinas> ops
[04:49] <intelikey> not likely
[04:49] <trakinas> my mistake
[04:49] <trakinas> 755
[04:50] <intelikey> yep
[04:50] <trakinas> rwxr-xr-x
[04:50] <intelikey> you got it.
[04:50] <jarn> hitmanWilly: I'll take a look at that.
[04:50] <trakinas> hehe.
[04:50] <Minataku> Here's the test
[04:50] <jarn> intelikey: No matter how many times I see that, I never stop loving it.
[04:50] <intelikey> :)
[04:50] <titanix88> hendaus: :)
[04:50] <Minataku> trakinas: Translate 351
[04:50] <Minataku> :3
[04:51] <trakinas> Minataku: where?
[04:51] <trakinas> my nickname?
[04:51] <Minataku> trakinas: No
[04:51] <trakinas> hheheeeh
[04:51] <Minataku> Half-messing with you
[04:51] <trakinas> what you meant with 351?
[04:51] <trakinas> ahhhhhh
[04:51] <Minataku> I wanted you to tell me what permissions 351 was
[04:51] <trakinas> one sec
[04:51] <intelikey> times up.   answer was   -wxr-x--x
[04:52] <trakinas> rx-xr-r
[04:52] <trakinas> ops
[04:52] <trakinas> rx-xr-x
[04:52] <trakinas> and wx
[04:53] <intelikey>  answer was   -wxr-x--x
[04:53] <trakinas> almost.
[04:53] <Minataku> trakinas: You'll get it
[04:53] <Minataku> I did.
[04:53] <Minataku> ^^
[04:53] <trakinas> heheh.
[04:53] <Minataku> Alternately, you can use symbolic notation
[04:53] <trakinas> yep
[04:53] <trakinas> much more easier
[04:53] <intelikey> Minataku what's 1777  ?
[04:53] <Minataku> trakinas: "man chmod" will tell you loads :3
[04:53] <trakinas> chmod +xrw
[04:53] <trakinas> heuehu
[04:53] <Gravity_Reigns> anybody run across a problem where not even root can modify permissions on a drive?
[04:54] <Minataku> intelikey: I think that's SUID
[04:54] <trakinas> +xrw = 777
[04:54] <intelikey> Minataku see your  /tmp for clues  :)
[04:54] <trakinas> Gravity_Reigns: you mean, 111?
[04:54] <trakinas> =P
[04:54] <trakinas> or 444
[04:54] <Gravity_Reigns> well, i didnt set it to that
[04:54] <Minataku> I love the flashing red/bold-white for broken symbolic links
[04:54] <Gravity_Reigns> i even tried to set it to 777 and even logged in as root and changed it via gui, still saying it failed to change permissions =P
[04:55] <intelikey> Minataku it is   i just wondered if you could blurt out the lettering  :)
[04:55] <trakinas> Gravity_Reigns: of course not. i didnt say so. sorry
[04:55] <Minataku> rwxrwxrwt
[04:55] <Minataku> Haha
[04:55] <intelikey> :)
[04:55] <intelikey> ok i'm out for a bit,
[04:56] <Gravity_Reigns> even if i log into kde as root and try to change the permissions by hand, konqueror gives an error saying it couldnt change permissions for /media/vault
[04:56] <jarn> Okay, it turns out the problem I was having was not the browser but the website.
[04:56] <trakinas> http://pastebin.ca/521048
[04:56] <Minataku> Most of the crap in my /tmp is -rw-------
[04:56] <intelikey> Gravity_Reigns there is no permission on the M$ file systems.
[04:56] <Minataku> 600 X3
[04:57] <Gravity_Reigns> hm. when my user account tries to go into it it says "you do not have enough permissions to access this file"
[04:57] <Minataku> Check the user account is allowed access to the dir
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> i think you have to use umask on ntfs/fat file systems
[04:57] <intelikey> Gravity_Reigns mount assigns a psuedo permsiions bit for the fs    man mount   and note the part about special options for specific file systems
[04:58] <trakinas> at least your dvd drive dont switch from "permission denied" to "io error"
[04:58] <Minataku> I know I fixed that on my system by just having my user own the mount points
[04:58] <Minataku> Since it's a 1.5 user system
[04:58] <Minataku> Me and root
[04:58] <Minataku> X3
[04:58] <Gravity_Reigns> yah x3
[04:58] <intelikey> Gravity_Reigns short answer   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000,ro /media/vault
[04:59] <Minataku> They used to be FAT32, they're reiserfs now
[04:59] <Minataku> Have been for a while
[04:59] <Minataku> Plan to make backups then change it to ext3
[05:00] <trakinas> AHHHHHHH! I love dmesg... more out puts for our joy!
[05:01] <intelikey> trakinas you like that ?        cat /var/log/*
[05:01] <trakinas> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/521059
[05:02] <trakinas> intelikey: ha! do you think that i dont know what cat is for and what is going to happen if i do that? ;]
[05:03] <intelikey> you'll see "more out puts for our joy!"
[05:04] <trakinas> intelikey: i know! cat reads the content of a file. that will show enything in the log dir.
[05:04] <trakinas> ;]
[05:04] <trakinas> i didnt skip the cat class yestarday. hooray!
[05:04] <trakinas> :P
[05:04] <intelikey> again i voice my protest at line 17 of your pastebin.
[05:05] <trakinas> drwxr-xr-x   7 root root 4,0K 2007-05-29 02:45 /root this?
[05:05] <intelikey>  /root should not need to be world accessable.
[05:05] <intelikey> kdm does that to you.
[05:05] <trakinas> so, that would be causing the trouble?
[05:06] <intelikey> trakinas no.  i'm just venting a protest.
[05:06] <trakinas> heheehehe
[05:07] <trakinas> dude, Im afraid my drive is screwed. :/
[05:07] <intelikey> trakinas it does look like something wrong with the disk or a problem with the kernel and it's scsi emulation.
[05:08] <intelikey> can you try another kernel ?
[05:08] <trakinas> intelikey: i was going to point that.. i mean, why kubuntu uses scsi emulation?
[05:08] <intelikey> and can you try another disk ?
[05:08] <trakinas> intelikey: one similar to gentoo kernel? sure! :D
[05:08] <trakinas> jk!
[05:08] <intelikey> gentoo kernel would be fine with me.
[05:08] <trakinas> is just that it used to work on gentoo, and it didnt use scsi emulation
[05:09] <trakinas> intelikey: i was loving gentoo, but after a year.. i got tired emerge -av package
[05:09] <trakinas> :/
[05:09] <intelikey> exactly.   i have found one bug   with scsi emulation and real scsi devices    there may be others.
[05:09] <trakinas> so, which kernel would you recomend?
[05:10] <Minataku> Custom
[05:10] <Minataku> And if it's really a problem, file a bug report
[05:10] <intelikey> check the package manager and see what is handy.     or roll your own.
[05:11] <intelikey> might install a 2.4 kernel just to test then if it is in the kernel   do file a bug on it.
[05:11] <trakinas> okay! i will do that (not tomorrow, for sure.. need to finish some college works 1st)
[05:12] <intelikey> it seems that scsi emulation is a good idea if you don't have any scsi devices...    but i do!
[05:12] <archaeopteryx> hi, the following problem: downloaded feisty live-cd, tried to install, but no partitions in step 4, so took the oem version
[05:12] <trakinas> intelikey: just to be quite sure - install a 2.4 kernel, try mounting it via scsi emulation and fill up a bug report if everything goes wrong?
[05:13] <archaeopteryx> then grub install failed and i took lilo
[05:13] <trakinas> brb
[05:13] <archaeopteryx> but it ignores the primary partition with win xp. is there a way to choose on startup?
[05:14] <intelikey> trakinas try without scsi emulation and with     if w/scsi-emu you have the same problem  that's the problem   (assuming you don't have issues without it.)
[05:14] <archaeopteryx> also, boot cds seem to be ignored
[05:14] <intelikey> trakinas if you have issues without scsi-emulation on other kernels then that's obviously not the cause.
[05:15] <intelikey> simple logic   and process of elimination
[05:15] <intelikey> E-limon-nation
[05:16] <intelikey> lemon ?
[05:16] <intelikey> what ever.
[05:16] <intelikey> two m's maybe
[05:16] <intelikey> not my language, i just twist to suit my needs.
[05:17] <intelikey> archaeopteryx you can add an entry in your /etc/lilo.conf
[05:18] <intelikey> archaeopteryx here's an example.  note the part about hdc1  that's a windows segment    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/36948
[05:20] <intelikey> archaeopteryx oh sorry. not in that post let me find it again....
[05:20] <archaeopteryx> intelikey: thank you
[05:20] <intelikey> ah  there is an example in    man lilo.conf
[05:20] <intelikey> archaeopteryx ^
[05:21] <archaeopteryx> thx
[05:21] <intelikey> archaeopteryx the   other=/dev/hda3   would work nicely   just change to the correct device.
[05:22] <intelikey> if you have trubble with it i'll be about.
[05:25] <trakinas> intelikey: just one last question before i log out... makemenuconfig is possibe under ubuntu?
[05:25] <intelikey> yes     gtk is needed but yes.
[05:26] <intelikey> err no not gtk   ncurses
[05:26] <intelikey> sorry.
[05:26] <trakinas> intelikey: ahhhhhh! i heeheheh.
[05:26] <trakinas> okay then.
[05:26] <trakinas> have to go now. cheers!
[05:26] <intelikey> shalom
[05:26] <trakinas> thank you! :]
[05:32] <intelikey> what's up doc ?
[05:33] <dr_willis> Watching some TV. :)
[05:33] <rollerskatejamms> whats the difference between the kubuntu cd and dvd
[05:33] <rollerskatejamms> the dvd just  contains more packages that i can apt-get off of it?
[05:33] <intelikey> a buck two ninty five on sunday.
[05:34] <dr_willis> dvd has live cd + alt instgall (i think)   and some extra packages
[05:34] <Minataku> Heya, dr_willis
[05:34] <Minataku> Missed you yesterday/this morning/whenever it was
[05:34] <dr_willis> hay Minataku
[05:34] <Minataku> What's up?
[05:34] <dr_willis> I got 3 amigas, 1 cd32, but only 1 working Power supply.
[05:34] <dr_willis> got 2 dead amiga PS's
[05:34] <intelikey> yeah that's about all.  the installers and the extra packages that you can't use cause updates are out and apt will always get the newest
[05:34] <Minataku> Heh
[05:34] <Minataku> One working is fine
[05:34] <dr_willis> you can convert a PC PS to amiga. if ya know what you are doing/research it.
[05:34] <Minataku> dr_willis: Comp Eng Tech
[05:35] <Minataku> I know what I'm doing and definitely can :D
[05:35] <dr_willis> Sucks i cant find the CD32 PS. it not identical to the others.
[05:35] <Minataku> dr_willis: What models, if I may ask?
[05:35] <dr_willis> I was wantiong to keep one amiga for myself. they are all A1200's
[05:35] <dr_willis> but i aint got much even for one.
[05:35] <Minataku> Not bad
[05:35] <Minataku> Heh, you could keep the CD32
[05:35] <dr_willis> one has a expansion/cpu/mem/
[05:35] <Minataku> That was more of a console
[05:36] <Minataku> dr_willis: Ooooh, sweet
[05:36] <dr_willis> I dont need it either. the cd32 i got has the expansion unit that turns it into a real amiga + CD drive
[05:36] <dr_willis> in some ways its nicer then a a1200 - you can make a bootable cd real easy
[05:36] <Minataku> Ah, kickass
[05:36] <Minataku> Okay, sure, if you don't want any of them I'll take them all :D
[05:36] <dr_willis> BUT that expansion was so flakey. ya baciaially have to connect it and hot glue the thing down to a  board.
[05:37] <dr_willis> heh. yea - tracking down some box's and some bubblewrap
[05:37] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:37] <Minataku> Sweet :D
[05:38] <Minataku> I've been known to use multiple systems to upgrade other ones, after all
[05:38] <Minataku> That's how I upgraded the Macintosh Classic
[05:38] <Minataku> I happened to have a few non-parity 1MB 30 pin SIMMs
[05:40] <intelikey> Minataku & dr_willis nothing happening in here right now.  i'm gonna leave it with you for a while.  toodles.
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> hey, dr_willis, just found a 1200 PS on ebay :) http://cgi.ebay.com/AMIGA-500-600-1200-POWER-SUPPLY_W0QQitemZ180122696787QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:40] <dr_willis> There ya go.
[05:40] <hakaisou> that's a beefy supply
[05:40] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:41] <dr_willis> you cn convert some wires on a normal PC PS. i recall.. but that may of been only with older AT's
[05:41] <Minataku> dr_willis: Even if, I've got sources for various PSs
[05:41] <hakaisou> what do you need that thing for?
[05:41] <Minataku> Plus I have the knowledge to even build one
[05:41] <hakaisou> rebuilding an amiga?
[05:41] <dr_willis> getting that lame conector for the amiga is the hard part.
[05:41] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh, IIAF, soldering iron
[05:42] <Minataku> One working PSU is plenty anyway
[05:42] <Minataku> ATM, I have one 24/7 system
[05:42] <vecina> please tell me that being on ubuntu does not mean i cant view Youtube.
[05:42] <Minataku> The rest are all momentary
[05:42] <hendaus> titanix88:  :)
[05:42] <Daisuke_Ido> vecina: no, it doesn't mean that
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> vecina: you just need flash
[05:43] <Minataku> vecina: YouTube, CourtTV RED, all good to do
[05:43] <Minataku> *go
[05:43] <vecina> Daisuke_ido  well every video just looks like its finished instyead of playing
[05:43] <Minataku> Just grab Flash 9 and you're good for them and more, like Adult Swim Video
[05:43] <vecina> oh ok
[05:43] <vecina> thanks.
[05:43] <Minataku> np
[05:43] <Daisuke_Ido> you can either install flashplugin-nonfree from the repos, or install from adobe's site
[05:43] <titanix88> hendaus: pkot made u working?
[05:44] <hendaus> no :(
[05:44] <vecina> i cant find that in the repos. ill have to go to the site
[05:47] <kgx> anyone knows if there are console color schemes proven to be easier on the eyes?
[05:47] <Daisuke_Ido> since everyone's eyes are different, i'm guessing no.
[05:47] <vecina> Hey, its me, about the flash thing....
[05:47] <marcelol> anyone here able to get the nv-glx package to install........?
[05:48] <vecina> did i mention im on amd 64 architecture? :(
[05:48] <marcelol> on my system it says that the driver and the kernel package are different builds...
[05:48] <marcelol> except I can't see where to dl a newer kernel packge in adept
[05:48] <marcelol> nv-glx  9631.....kernel driver 7xxx ( can't remember the rest of the numbers )
[05:49] <marcelol> any ideas anyone ?
[05:50] <crdlb> marcelol, linux-restricted-modules includes all three versions
[05:50] <crdlb> and the right one is supposed to be chosen at boot
[05:50] <crdlb> however it's been known to screw up
[05:50] <marcelol> just put in "linux-restricted-modules" in adepts filter ?
[05:50] <crdlb> no
[05:51] <crdlb> everything you need /is/ installed
[05:51] <marcelol> Hmmm...
[05:51] <crdlb> you just need to force l-r-m to use the right version
[05:51] <marcelol> nv-glx didn't get installed by default
[05:51] <crdlb> but you installed it
[05:51] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia-glx?
[05:51] <crdlb> in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[05:52] <marcelol> let me take a look
[05:52] <crdlb> set: DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia_legacy nvidia_new"
[05:53] <naught101> anyone know if it's possible to take a screenshot in kubuntu /including the mouse cursor/?
[05:53] <marcelol> ok...added that
[05:53] <marcelol> adept says that none of those packages are even installed though
[05:53] <crdlb> marcelol, they have to be
[05:53] <wolferine> naught101, um sure you can
[05:53] <wolferine> printscreen?
[05:53] <crdlb> otherwise 7184 wouldn't have been installed
[05:54] <Minataku> I know in A/UX (at least 3.1.1) you can take screenshots with Shift+Pretzel+3
[05:54] <Minataku> But that doesn't help you at all
[05:54] <Minataku> XD
[05:54] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[05:54] <naught101> wolferine: it doesn't usually include the mouse cursor
[05:54] <Minataku> Oh, snap
[05:54] <marcelol> the only one that shows it's installed is nvidia-kernel-common
[05:55] <Minataku> I know one way
[05:55] <Minataku> There's a program that dumps the contents of the framebuffer
[05:55] <Minataku> Lemme look it up
[05:55] <crdlb> marcelol, is linux-generic installed? and nvidia-glx ?
[05:55] <marcelol> nvidia-glx...no...let me see if linux-generic is
[05:56] <Minataku> It's a program called "fbdump"
[05:56] <crdlb> not a huge fan of adept so: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-generic
[05:56] <Minataku> You may have to find and compile it by source
[05:56] <Minataku> !search fbdump
[05:56] <ubotu> Found:
[05:56] <Minataku> <.<
[05:56] <marcelol> linux-generic wasn't installed either
[05:56] <crdlb> !info fbdump
[05:56] <Minataku> !info fbdump
[05:56] <marcelol> so..install both ?
[05:56] <ubotu> Package fbdump does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:56] <Minataku> I swear, that bot is getting dumber and dumber
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> wow, that's cool XD
[05:56] <naught101> hehe
[05:56] <crdlb> marcelol, yes and use apt-get
[05:57] <naught101> cheers, gotta go
[05:57] <Minataku> Later
[05:57] <crdlb> !find fbdump
[05:57] <ubotu> File fbdump found in libdirectfb-bin
[05:57] <crdlb> !info libdirectfb-bin
[05:58] <ubotu> libdirectfb-bin: direct frame buffer graphics - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 37 kB, installed size 140 kB
[05:58] <Minataku> Doesn't quite seem right
[05:59] <marcelol> crdlib should I also install linux-restricted-modules ?
[05:59] <crdlb> marcelol, linux-generic will
[06:00] <marcelol> ahh..gotcha
[06:02] <marcelol> processing.....looks like it's going to pull down <IP_ADDRESS>-16 ...
[06:02] <newguy> What is the most current kernel version?
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> newguy: 2.6.20-16 in the repos
[06:02] <marcelol> ok...so linux-generic is yanking down the latest released kernel
[06:03] <newguy> I have something 2.6.11 that's edgy eft, right?
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> newguy: yeah, probably
[06:03] <crdlb> newguy, 2.6.17 is edgy
[06:03] <marcelol> I thought 11 was DD
[06:03] <crdlb> 15 was DD
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> was hoary even a 2.6 kernel?
[06:04] <Minataku> <IP_ADDRESS> is Linux current
[06:04] <marcelol> damn....man is up with his kernel numbers....in words of the great Bender Bending Rodriguez...we're not worthy
[06:04] <Minataku> I'm a little behind
[06:04] <crdlb> !info linux-image-generic edgy
[06:04] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 14 22:42:51 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[06:04] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[06:04] <crdlb> !info linux-image-386 dapper
[06:04] <ubotu> linux-image-386: Linux kernel image on 386.. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB
[06:04] <Minataku> !info linux-image-generic hoary
[06:05] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.28.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[06:05] <Minataku> Haha
[06:05] <marcelol> FF can't with 20.15
[06:05] <crdlb> there wasn't a generic kernel in hoary
[06:05] <Minataku> Ah
[06:05] <Minataku> !info linux-image-386 hoary
[06:05] <ubotu> linux-image-386: Linux kernel image on 386.. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.28.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[06:05] <Minataku> I think the bot doesn't care anyway
[06:05] <chemicalvamp> i hate winblows
[06:05] <crdlb> and ubotu doesn't go back that far :P
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> i don't think hoary is even supported anymore
[06:05] <Minataku> chemicalvamp: Why do you think we're all here? ;3
[06:06] <chemicalvamp> lol
[06:06] <crdlb> hitmanWilly, not even close :P
[06:06] <marcelol> looks like that might be bleeding edge ubotu.....because that's what it's bringing down to me now
[06:06] <crdlb> breezy just fell out of support
[06:06] <chemicalvamp> i love how kubuntu knows my sound card, and installs it on its own
[06:06] <Minataku> I'm a Gentoo user
[06:06] <chemicalvamp> but i cant seem to install iton winlows at all
[06:06] <hakaisou> not really the case vamp
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> same here
[06:06] <Minataku> I looked up the soundcard and set it up myself
[06:06] <marcelol> crdlib.....done apt'ing the two packages....
[06:06] <hakaisou> you are kinda right
[06:06] <marcelol> what now ?
[06:06] <Minataku> All while leaving out every sound card I _don't_ have XD
[06:07] <marcelol> just switch it in the System Settings ? and restart X ?
[06:07] <klobster> out of curiosity if KDE and gnome merged, do you think they would call it knome?
[06:07] <marcelol> or something else required ?
[06:07] <chemicalvamp> wish kubuntu could jump over to the other partition slap some sence into winblows and then jump back
[06:07] <crdlb> marcelol, err reboot I guess and make sure you boot the generic kernel
[06:07] <marcelol> kbloster....bite your tongue
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: just updated my kernel today...a 10 minute full kernel compile :)
[06:08] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Heehee
[06:08] <hakaisou> *boring lesson* most linux distros use a sound driver called ALSA "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture"
[06:08] <Minataku> ccache?
[06:08] <newGuy_> Sorry, got disconnected.
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: last time i did it on ubuntu took over an hour :)
[06:08] <hakaisou> it supports a stupid number of cards
[06:08] <Minataku> hakaisou: Wrong
[06:08] <Minataku> ALSA is the sound engine
[06:08] <chemicalvamp> klobster that should be followed by "when hell freezes over"
[06:08] <hakaisou> oh really?
[06:08] <Minataku> The drivers are what allow ALSA to access the cards
[06:08] <hakaisou> hmm, misunderstood then.  please tell me
[06:08] <marcelol> it said the following:
[06:08] <marcelol> Setting up linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-386 (<IP_ADDRESS>-15.20) ...
[06:08] <marcelol> Setting up nvidia-glx (1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.28) ..
[06:08] <hakaisou> ah, i see
[06:08] <marcelol> so I'm assuming to boot the <IP_ADDRESS>-16 ?
[06:09] <marcelol> <IP_ADDRESS>-16.28?
[06:09] <hakaisou> thanks for the clarification Miataku
[06:09] <hakaisou> Minataku *
[06:09] <dr_willis> well night all.
[06:09] <Minataku> hakaisou: No problem
[06:09] <crdlb> marcelol, boot the newest generic kernel
[06:09] <marcelol> ahh....ok
[06:09] <marcelol> brb.....hopefully....
[06:10] <Minataku> Yeah, ALSA is the whole sound framework/API
[06:10] <Minataku> The individual drivers are a part of the whole thing
[06:10] <newGuy> So anytime I try to boot into kubuntu I get an error message that the ramdrive is full, followed by "Kernel Panic - Not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs..."
[06:10] <newGuy> Is there anything I can do?
[06:10] <chemicalvamp> anybody know, "if a person where to have to reinstall windows on the main partition, would they be able to reinstall grub on a live cd?
[06:10] <Minataku> Get more RAM
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp: yes
[06:11] <newGuy> It used to work Minataku, and I've run memtest, my ram is fine.
[06:11] <Minataku> newGuy: Is this an old computer? And is this the LiveCD?
[06:11] <Minataku> Hm
[06:11] <greg_g> heya, anyone know about a recent (last week) post that was on planet.kde.org about a script to keep gnome and kde applications in different menus if you have both installed?
[06:11] <Minataku> newGuy: That is weird.
[06:11] <newGuy> No, this was a previously working installation.
[06:11] <chemicalvamp> would i have to do a chroot?
[06:11] <hakaisou> i used to get that error before i got the plug to fully power my dual core cpu
[06:11] <newGuy> AMD X2 computer, 1 gig ram.
[06:12] <hakaisou> only had a p4, needed a p8
[06:12] <newGuy> This installation was previously working, till I moved the computer, could a plug be out of whack or something?
[06:12] <Minataku> newGuy: Couldn't hurt to check inside
[06:12] <hakaisou> indeed
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> newGuy: possibly
[06:13] <hakaisou> never underestimate the id 10 t error
[06:13] <Minataku> Everyone gets that wrong
[06:13] <duncan_> lol
[06:13] <newGuy> What is ud 10 t?
[06:13] <Minataku> It's 1D10T
[06:13] <newGuy> LOL
[06:13] <duncan_> rofl
[06:13] <chemicalvamp> my fried once took his tower on the road when he moved.. and the cpu fan power jiggled out
[06:13] <Minataku> It's a one, not an "I"
[06:13] <hakaisou> it's not wrong mina
[06:13] <marcelol> ok...rebooted
[06:13] <hakaisou> just another way of puting it
[06:13] <Meglo> FUCK YES POWER RANGERS
[06:13] <marcelol> graphics card and driver still say "nv" not "nv-glx"
[06:13] <hakaisou> besides, saying ID 10 T makes sense
[06:13] <newGuy> hakaisou, what plug was not working correctly for you?
[06:13] <marcelol> Hmmmm
[06:14] <Minataku> hakaisou: Correct is 1
[06:14] <duncan_> agreed
[06:14] <hakaisou> never heard it with a 1, and it's not "correct"  just alternate
[06:14] <hakaisou> newGuy, the processor power plug
[06:14] <duncan_> dosen't really matter
[06:14] <hakaisou> i was a p8 plug, but i only had a p4
[06:14] <newGuy> Where is that located?
[06:14] <marcelol> how do I switch it to use the glx drivers ?
[06:15] <hakaisou> next to the proc, if you even have one
[06:15] <newGuy> Thank you.
[06:15] <jaloola> end
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[06:15] <jaloola> quit
[06:15] <marcelol> ok
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: that should set up xorg.conf correctly for you
[06:16] <marcelol> ok...it said it created a new xorg.conf....gonna look at it
[06:17] <marcelol> ok...looks reasonable....what now ? restart X ?
[06:17] <marcelol> or reboot ?
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: restart X
[06:17] <crdlb> marcelol, what did you use?
[06:17] <crdlb> you need to reboot if you enable a restricted driver
[06:18] <marcelol> I thought I used the nvidia one ?
[06:18] <marcelol> all it says is "nvidia" in the driver section of xorg.conf
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> crdlb: actually, the nvidia driver modprobes itself on install :)
[06:18] <crdlb> oh nm then
[06:19] <crdlb> wait how could it?
[06:19] <marcelol> "Device".....Identifier....<My video card is named> ...then ...Driver "nvidia"
[06:19] <crdlb> it'll fail to modprobe if you don't have nvidia in your xorg.conf
[06:19] <marcelol> It does not...
[06:19] <crdlb> sudo modprove nvidia
[06:19] <marcelol> hopefully it should be using the right kernel module.
[06:19] <crdlb> then you should be able to restart X
[06:19] <crdlb> if X fails to start, try rebooting
[06:20] <marcelol> Hmmm...the modprobe says it failed to run the install command for nvidia
[06:20] <crdlb> marcelol, ok try rebooting
[06:20] <marcelol> adept said something about "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" or some such
[06:20] <crdlb> if it doesn't work...
[06:20] <crdlb> remember:
[06:20] <crdlb> !xconfig
[06:20] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[06:21] <marcelol> yeah...boot recovery and ZAP back the original xorg.conf
[06:21] <crdlb> the second command  ^^
[06:23] <marcelol> gonna try it out
[06:25] <billykan>  ~~~
[06:26] <billykan>  ???
[06:30] <dsmith_>   wow I can type taiwanese
[06:30] <dsmith_> errr. or perhaps its Korean
[06:31] <crimsun> it's Korean.
[06:31] <dsmith_> I was close..
[06:31] <crdlb> is there a korean channel?
[06:32] <dsmith_> there should be
[06:32] <dsmith_> between this one and ubuntu, there will only be more ppl coming in here
[06:35] <Nicofrand> hello
[06:36] <juanvalde> Can someone help a linux networking newb with a networking problem?
[06:37] <PokerFacePenguin> give it a shot juan
[06:37] <marcelol> well that was futile
[06:38] <marcelol> I went to the recovery console and tried to start X by hand...
[06:38] <Minataku> Heh
[06:38] <marcelol> and I got the same thing as when I tried to sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:38] <marcelol> yeah...
[06:38] <Minataku> I just had X explode
[06:38] <marcelol> "error running install command for nvidia. failed ot load nvidia kernel module"
[06:38] <marcelol> I'm thinking "WTF ?"
[06:39] <Nicofrand> kubuntu refuses to start today oO and i don't know why...the logo appears, this is loading and then the logo comes one more time and then the screen is black, i can just write text (but this is not a console )
[06:39] <marcelol> Nico....you're suffering from the same as I
[06:39] <marcelol> "Cannot load your video drivers kernel module"-itis
[06:39] <Nicofrand> marcelol: but where did you see that?
[06:40] <juanvalde> LAN cannot get IP, though all windoz computers seem to be fine
[06:40] <marcelol> that's EXACTLY what happens to me when I switch to the nv-glx driver
[06:40] <marcelol> didn't see it Nicofrand....just been dealing with that behavior for about a day or so now
[06:40] <Nicofrand> marcelol: uh ok ,but how do you start the recovery console?
[06:40] <marcelol> uh....select it in grub ?
[06:41] <Nicofrand> ok i'll try
[06:41] <marcelol> if you were trying to switch drivers...might I recommend the same thing they told me to get back to a working desktop
[06:41] <marcelol> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xervers-xorg -phigh
[06:42] <marcelol> then select the most appropriate generic driver ( for me it was just 'nv' )
[06:42] <marcelol> anyway....
[06:42] <marcelol> anyone have any ideas about why the nvidia kernel module is unable to load ?
[06:43] <marcelol> modprobe won't perform install command for nvidia
[06:44] <marcelol> it's the darnest thing
[06:44] <newguy> The last thing I did on this computer was update the WINDOWS drivers for my processor, (AMD athelon 64 X2), then when I tried to boot into linux I now get an error saying the ramdrive is full, followed by an error "Kernel Panic - Not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)"
[06:44] <newguy> I checked all the cables, they are connected. Moving the computer must not have been the culprit.
[06:44] <crdlb> marcelol, try this: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r); sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[06:45] <greg_g> so, I know there is a script or something out there that separates gnome and kde apps into separate menus when you have both installed, anyone know where that is?
[06:45] <crdlb> and make /absolutely/ sure that you boot the generic kernel
[06:46] <newguy> Any ideas?
[06:48] <marcelol> ok..1) all in one line 2) use "uname" or my login name ?
[06:48] <flake> how could I go about converting a FLV file to an AVI or WMV?  VLC plays the FLV format ok
[06:48] <MrElmo> is there a way to upgrade from Kubuntu Edgy to Feisty without downloading the Feisty Live CD?
[06:49] <crdlb> marcelol, it's all one one and use exactly what it typed :)
[06:49] <flake> MrElmo - yes, that's what I did but I forget the website should be in ubuntu forums
[06:49] <crdlb> it'll be substituted with your kernel version
[06:49] <marcelol> and away it goes...
[06:50] <MrElmo> thanks, flake
[06:50] <marcelol> removing linux-restritcted-modules-2.6.20-16
[06:50] <flake> np
[06:50] <flake> i backed up my home directories but gave me an option to keep them, didn't loose anything in them
[06:50] <marcelol> now it switched to linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[06:51] <marcelol> now what ?
[06:51] <crdlb> it's finished?
[06:51] <marcelol> yes
[06:51] <crdlb> now reboot and choose the generic kernel
[06:51] <crdlb> (as opposed to the 386 kernel)
[06:51] <MrElmo> flake, do you know if feisty comes with ntfs-3g installed?
[06:51] <marcelol> do I do the nvidia-xconfig now, or after ?
[06:51] <crdlb> marcelol, nope that's done
[06:52] <marcelol> ok..I'll give it a shot
[06:52] <crdlb> all that does is change your xorg.conf to nvidia
[06:52] <marcelol> brb
[06:52] <marcelol> hopefully
[06:52] <flake> I don't remember, but somehow I have that
[06:52] <MrElmo> cool.  okay, thanks again
[06:52] <flake> NTFS configuration tool
[06:52] <marcelol> won't I need that to switch to the glx enabled drivers ?
[06:52] <marcelol> anyway..I'll brb
[06:52] <crdlb> marcelol, if your xorg.conf says nvidia, you're done
[06:53] <marcelol> oh it doesn't yet...
[06:53] <luis> yes
[06:53] <marcelol> had switch back to nv so I could get to here
[06:53] <crdlb> oh lol
[06:53] <crdlb> you're right
[06:53] <marcelol> let me do that and reboot
[06:53] <crdlb> sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[06:53] <crdlb> ^^ if you want to run beryl :P
[06:53] <jimmy> I am having a problem with sound on a THinkpad T43 after the latest 2.5.20-16 kernal upgrade, anyone else?
[06:53] <Nicofrand> (back )
[06:53] <marcelol> of course I want to RUN beryl
[06:54] <marcelol> brb
[06:54] <flake> does beryl work good with 3d windowed/fullscreen games?
[06:54] <Edijus1> Can someone help me with modifying Kubunu? I need someone puts restricted package on it and some apps then makes ISO and uploads it
[06:54] <Nicofrand> marcelol: do you still have the nvidia problem?
[06:54] <marcelol> gonna reboot and see if it works now
[06:54] <marcelol> brb
[06:54] <Nicofrand> ok
[06:54] <rollerskatejamms> Whats a good way to see how big a folder and all its contents are, from the terminal. (recursively)
[06:54] <pyrosim> du -h .
[06:55] <Kuma> hi, my kubuntu linux distro stoped recognizing my cable Internet connection, how can i fix this?
[06:55] <jimmy> rollerskate: ls -Ral
[06:56] <jimmy> ls --help will list all the available options
[06:56] <crimsun> jimmy: what's the problem?
[06:57] <klobster> Kuma: call comcast?
[06:57] <jimmy> Well, after the kernal upgrade, my sound seems to have cut out
[06:57] <crimsun> jimmy: pastebin ``amixer'', then tell me the url
[06:58] <jimmy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23214/
[06:58] <Kuma> klobster: the problem is i had to switch OS to connect to the IRC channel, can you please tell me what do i do after running comcast command so i can fix this w/o needing asking anything else?
[07:00] <klobster> kuma: first lets find out about the connection: is your cable modem connected to a router, or straight into the computer?
[07:00] <Kuma> klobster:
[07:00] <Kuma> stright
[07:00] <Jack3> whats the app to read text?
[07:00] <Jack3> like voice
[07:00] <klobster> kuma: and it works in windows?
[07:01] <crdlb> Jack3, as in text-to-speech?
[07:01] <Jack3> yes
[07:01] <jimmy> crimsun: I searched the bug tracker, but couldn't find anything, was working just fine before the upgrade
[07:01] <Cosmo__> can anyoe make any suggestion as to good motherboards to go with a AMDfx x2 5600 processor and a nvidia 7950gt video card
[07:01] <Kuma> klobster: yes
[07:01] <crdlb> !info festival | Jack3
[07:01] <ubotu> jack3: festival: general multi-lingual speech synthesis system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.3-17.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 711 kB, installed size 2120 kB
[07:01] <Jack3> thank you
[07:01] <crdlb> there might be something better but I only know of that
[07:01] <klobster> kuma: did you try to ping an ip from the console?
[07:02] <klobster> kuma: (in linux that is)
[07:03] <Kuma> klobster: i pinged www.google.com
[07:03] <Kuma> klobster: the response was automatic, it said host unknown
[07:04] <klobster> are you on kde or gnome?
[07:04] <Kuma> jde
[07:04] <Kuma> *kde
[07:04] <marcelol> well yet again..that was futile
[07:04] <crdlb> :'(
[07:05] <marcelol> it still says the nvidia kernel driver is unable to be installed
[07:05] <marcelol> everything else looks like it's in place...
[07:05] <crdlb> did you ever use envy or the nvidia installer?
[07:05] <marcelol> nope
[07:05] <marcelol> should I try the nvidia installer ?
[07:05] <crdlb> don't recommend it generally
[07:05] <marcelol> ok...then it's good that I didn't
[07:05] <crdlb> although I'm stumped :(
[07:06] <marcelol> I didn't need to do that "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" did I ?
[07:06] <crdlb> marcelol, nvidia-xconfig is equivalent
[07:06] <crimsun> jimmy: looking now, busy
[07:06] <klobster> kuma: go into system settings - > networkl settings and tell me what it says in network connections
[07:06] <jimmy> crimsun: alright, thanks
[07:06] <marcelol> gotcha
[07:06] <marcelol> <-- will have to remember that
[07:06] <crimsun> jimmy: your 'PCM' is muted and zeroed.
[07:06] <crimsun> :-)
[07:07] <Nicofrand> marcelol: i think you just need nvidia-glx, linux-restricted-modules etc and to wrtie nvidia-xconfig
[07:07] <Nicofrand> marcelol: and then startx, if it works, reboot =)
[07:07] <marcelol> yeah..I've got those
[07:07] <marcelol> I did that..
[07:07] <klobster> marcelol: what is the exact error msg you are recieving?
[07:07] <jimmy> cimsun: that is weird, can I fix it from bash?
[07:07] <marcelol> and it left with a blank screen and an underscore in the upper left hand corner of the screen just sitting there
[07:07] <Kuma> klobster: i'm at windows right now
[07:08] <jimmy> crimsun: kmix is a full blast
[07:08] <crdlb> marcelol, what nvidia card is it?
[07:08] <crimsun> jimmy: sure, amixer set 'PCM' unmute && amixer set 'PCM' 80%
[07:08] <Nicofrand> marcelol: if it is an old version you need nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:09] <jimmy> crimsun: ACK! too loud! Thanks, working just great now
[07:11] <crdlb> marcelol, if it's at least a FX series, you can try nvidia-glx-new, but be sure to change DISABLED_MODULES to "nvidia_legacy nvidia"
[07:12] <marcelol_> sorry about that...
[07:12] <marcelol_> what did I miss ?
[07:12] <klobster> I can wait a bit, if you want to reboot, but anyone will need that info to proceed
[07:12] <klobster> kuma ^^
 marcelol, if it's at least a FX series, you can try nvidia-glx-new, but be sure to change DISABLED_MODULES to "nvidia_legacy nvidia"
[07:13] <crdlb> marcelol_, before that I asked what nvidia card?
[07:13] <marcelol_> no it's a GeForce Go 4200
[07:13] <marcelol_> this is an Inspiron 8500
[07:13] <Kuma> klobster: ok, i will take a screenshot and upload it when i come back
[07:15] <crdlb> marcelol_, ooh
[07:15] <crdlb> marcelol_, black screen you say?
[07:15] <marcelol_> yes...with an underscore at the upper left....
[07:16] <crdlb> marcelol_, and no error or anything?
[07:16] <marcelol_> just before that the screen flickers a couple of times...it goes back to the "Kubuntu progress bar " screen...then it takes to to a black screen with the cursor in the upper left
[07:16] <marcelol_> no, not at that point
[07:16] <marcelol_> what I did was to reboot, and boot into the recovery mode
[07:17] <marcelol_> then typed in "startx", and then the screen gets the way I descrbed
[07:17] <crdlb> marcelol_, ok in your Device section of your xorg.conf
[07:17] <crdlb> add: Option "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP"
[07:17] <crdlb> under Driver "nvidia"
[07:17] <crdlb> if that doesn't work search the ubuntu forums for another fix
[07:18] <crdlb> search for nvidia geforce 4 420
[07:18] <crdlb> it's an extremely common problem with the 9631 driver
[07:19] <marcelol_> interesting this time in xorg.conf instead of "NVidia Ti4200 NV28..etc..etc." it says "Generic Video Card" in the "Identifier" option
[07:19] <kuma> hi again
[07:19] <crdlb> marcelol_, that's just from dpkg-reconfigure'ing
[07:19] <crdlb> it doesn't matter as long as it's consistent
[07:19] <marcelol_> I figured as much
[07:19] <marcelol_> allow me to reboot and have a go at it once more
[07:20] <marcelol_> brb
[07:23] <Meglo> http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
[07:23] <Ktron> Hey everyone
[07:24] <Ktron> If a kubuntu 7.04 disc boots, but when any option is selected the monitors go blank and lose their signal, is there much to do but try the alternate cd?
[07:24] <flake> does xarchiver do a good job with 7zip or is there a better way out there to compress an avi file
[07:24] <flake> like a front-end to 7zip, or just zip?
[07:26] <flake> surface - heh - now mirrorsoft is trying to rip off Minority Report
[07:26] <networkparadox> anyone good at working with ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[07:27] <flake> Tom Cruise should arrest the developers for future infringement of patent rights
[07:27] <flake> a reference to the movie, for those I lost or don't care :/
[07:28] <flake> can you imagine all the greasy fingerprints caking up those touch screens
[07:34] <rollerskatejamms> If I add Kubuntu's bleeding edge KDE repo, that means I get KDE 4 alpha right?
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> rollerskatejamms: no, you're probably looking at the latest stable repo
[07:36] <marcelol> thrwarted yet again by my nemesis the NVIDIA kernel driver
[07:36] <rollerskatejamms> Admiral_Chicago, I thought Kubuntu also had a bleeding edge kde repo
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> nope.
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> not by default anyways.
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a second.
[07:36] <rollerskatejamms> i know not by default
[07:37] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu.org looks to be down, no way for me to check..
[07:37] <marcelol> anyway.....I'll give it another try tomorrow
[07:37] <rollerskatejamms> yup
[07:37] <rollerskatejamms> its back up
[07:38] <rollerskatejamms> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/
[07:38] <rollerskatejamms> yup its there :-D
[07:38] <rollerskatejamms> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest feisty main
[07:38] <rollerskatejamms> I'm going to install kubuntu and add that repository, inside vmware
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> the line for KDE4 is deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1 feisty main
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> which is not stable. that line is for latest stable
[07:40] <klobster> kuma: are you back?
[07:41] <rollerskatejamms> Admiral_Chicago, Ah ok. Cool thanks. Where did you find that?
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone tell me the defaul port for Ktorrent.
[07:42] <rollerskatejamms> Admiral_Chicago, 6881
[07:42] <Admiral_Chicago> rollerskatejamms: my comments in my repo. documentation is important
[07:42] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[07:45] <rollerskatejamms> It would be cool if the KDE guys put out a live cd of the alpha release
[07:45] <mindslant> I'm trying to rescue another system.  Using Knoppix 5.10 I've booted and I'm trying to back up the files onto my permanent Kubuntu...but...uh...how do I create a linux network...what ap?
[07:46] <rollerskatejamms> mindslant, you want to create shares on your linux box? what do you want to do
[07:46] <mindslant> I'm going to wipe the other system clean, but I want to back up needed files onto this box
[07:46] <rollerskatejamms> yes but to where.
[07:46] <rollerskatejamms> oh
[07:46] <rollerskatejamms> from that system
[07:46] <mindslant> yes
[07:46] <kuma> klobster: yup, i rebooted and the probelm was gone.
[07:47] <rollerskatejamms> so create a samba share (or an nfs share) on "this box". or install an ftp server like vsftp, and send the files over
[07:47] <mindslant> Theres a ms network, but I'd rather a linux network
[07:47] <mindslant> samba share...1 sec...appreciate it
[07:47] <klobster> kuma: hmm, go figure
[07:48] <Admiral_Chicago> rollerskatejamms: there is one out
[07:48] <rollerskatejamms> mindslant, if you want a "linux network" closest thing to that is NFS i guess
[07:48] <rollerskatejamms> although its techinically a solaris network :-P
[07:48] <mindslant> I find Samba Shares, and there's a wizard for creating a network folder...is that my ticket?
[07:48] <kuma> klobster: anyway, when this happen again, what do you recommend me to do before switching to windows for help?
[07:49] <jacques_> hi
[07:49] <rollerskatejamms> hi
[07:49] <klobster> kuma: hard to say without knowing what happened.
[07:49] <mindslant> salut jacques
[07:49] <jacques_> salut
[07:49] <jacques_> ca va?
[07:49] <mindslant> ca va bien!  et vous?
[07:50] <jacques_> Je vais bien
[07:50] <mindslant> I live in Texas, I dont' get to practice much French
[07:50] <kuma> klobster: isnt there a way to reboot the network configuration? something that make Linux look for the connection again?
[07:50] <jacques_> vous etes fancais?
[07:50] <jacques_> I am from Mali but staying in China
[07:50] <mindslant> Non, je suis Texan.  J'etudie dan ma l'ecole pout trois ans.  Ni hao ma?
[07:50] <rollerskatejamms> kuma, sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[07:51] <mindslant> Trois ans pour chinois aussi
[07:51] <rollerskatejamms> networking rather
[07:51] <kuma> rollerskatejamms :O thanks
[07:51] <rollerskatejamms> kuma, if you just want the linux equivalent of ipconfig /renew
[07:51] <klobster> kuma: yup what he said
[07:51] <rollerskatejamms> kuma, you can just do sudo dhclient interfacename
[07:51] <kuma> lol, thanks a lot for your help :)
[07:52] <rollerskatejamms> If all else fails
[07:52] <rollerskatejamms> sudo flux-capacitor --fix
[07:52] <kuma> rollerskatejamms: sudo dhclient eth0?
[07:52] <rollerskatejamms> kuma, yup
[07:52] <rollerskatejamms> kuma, assuming eth0 is the one you want
[07:53] <kuma> i see...
[07:53] <mindslant> rollewrskate, when I use the wizard for creating a new MS Network Drive...Name is what I want to call the work group, folder is the name of the folder I wan tto create...what do I use as the server?  Myself
[07:53] <mindslant> *rollerskate
[07:54] <rollerskatejamms> mindslant, on windows or linux?
[07:54] <mindslant> Linux?
[07:54] <rollerskatejamms> oh ok
[07:54] <rollerskatejamms> the server is the computer youre on right now then. you dont have to set it
[07:54] <mindslant> Next to Samba Shares is a wizard for creating a network folder.  Thank god!
[07:57] <rollerskatejamms> ok night all
[07:57] <mindslant> thanks
[07:58] <jacques_> mindslant: do you speak chinese?
[07:59] <mindslant> I used to
[07:59] <mindslant> Mandarin anyways
[07:59] <mindslant> I've studied French, Mandarin, some Russian, lived with Koreans and worked in a language lab so I can be polite in about 30 languages
[08:00] <jacques_> great!
[08:00] <jacques_> ha
[08:00] <mindslant> What part of china you in?
[08:00] <mindslant> What I wouldn't do for some home made Hanzou!
[08:00] <jacques_> !I can only speak 6
[08:00] <mindslant> No, I only speak 1 well.  Like I said, In Texas you can only reall practice Spanish
[08:01] <jussi01> !offtopic | jacques_ mindslant
[08:01] <ubotu> jacques_ mindslant: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:01] <jacques_> ok sorry
[08:02] <jacques_> I am trying to get the macos x  look for my kde
[08:03] <jussi01> jacques_: install the baghira theme from the repos
[08:03] <imagine> jacques_: there's a theme for that
[08:03] <jacques_> ok
[08:03] <imagine> jussi01 found it.
[08:03] <jussi01> :D
[08:03] <imagine> hehe
[08:04] <jacques_> why?
[08:04] <imagine> the OSX style is good on a MAC
[08:04] <jussi01> heheh
[08:04] <jussi01> I agree
[08:04] <mindslant> When I try to adjust my sharing in system settings it tells me I need SMB and NFS servers...so what's that?
[08:04] <imagine> :)
[08:05] <jussi01> mindslant: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs
[08:05] <jussi01> i think....
[08:05] <jacques_> is this kwin-baghira?
[08:05] <imagine> mindslant: I speak french as well :P but yeah, samba and nfs
[08:05] <mindslant> well...here goes.  Merci beaucoup
[08:05] <jussi01> jacques_: i think so, install anything that says baghira
[08:06] <imagine> mindslant: Samba shares ( compatible with Microsoft Windows ) and NFS is a filesyste
[08:06] <imagine> system*
[08:06] <mindslant> well imagine (Lennon inspired nick?) it's doing something...
[08:06] <jacques_> only that one
[08:06] <jussi01> jacques_: yep, then thats the one. what doe the description say?
[08:06] <Lam_> i need a program that can play .rm stream files
[08:07] <jussi01> Lam_: real player for linux?
[08:07] <imagine> mindslant: well it kinda meant that way as I have the same philosophy
[08:07] <Lam_> jussi01: oh? didn't realize there was one. i'll look into that. thanks
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Lam_: in the canonical repository
[08:07] <jussi01> Lam_: :D
[08:07] <imagine> mindslant: yeah the apt-get  jussi01 suggested is your package manager
[08:08] <mindslant> slowly I'm picking up the Command line commands
[08:08] <imagine> adept-manager is the GUI version
[08:08] <jacques_> Baghira (panther, in german) makes KDE resemble Apple's MacOS X's Aqua,
[08:08] <jacques_> Panther and Jaguar looks, and also includes its own 'Baghira' look
[08:08] <mindslant> I'm 24 but I still remember programming in basic
[08:08] <imagine> mindslant: well.. i never use them.. rather use a GUI here, even tho I know most of them
[08:08] <jacques_> I have installed it
[08:08] <jacques_> now what is the next step
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> !realplayer
[08:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:09] <Lam_> Admiral_Chicago: thanks. that helps. i have the canonical repository but i didn't get a hit for a search of "real"
[08:09] <imagine> omg
[08:09] <imagine> kdelibs takes forever to compile
[08:09] <jussi01> jacques_: press alt+f2 and type kcontrol
[08:09] <imagine> 10 minutes and 2% only
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Lam_: apt-cache search real
[08:09] <jussi01> imagine: lol
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: hey there !! :)
[08:09] <Lam_> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. tried that. $ apt-cache search --names-only real, but i didn't get anything
[08:10] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago! :)
[08:10] <mindslant> Under the system setting sharing GUI samba has green checks, nfs has red X, is that okay?
[08:10] <imagine> no
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Lam_: did you do apt-get update?
[08:10] <imagine> nfs needs green
[08:10] <mindslant> foi
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: working on much?
[08:10] <imagine> but what do you want to do ?
[08:10] <Lam_> Admiral_Chicago: even if i didn't, my computer does it once a day, and yeah i did
[08:10] <jussi01> !info nfs
[08:10] <ubotu> Package nfs does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:10] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: just finished a chapter. taking a break and reading some news :)
[08:10] <mindslant> I need to create a network folder to bring over files from another box
[08:11] <imagine> mindslant: *nix box?
[08:11] <mindslant> ??? *nix?
[08:11] <imagine> linux, kubuntu
[08:11] <mindslant> Knoppix 5.10
[08:11] <imagine> kk
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> very good.
[08:11] <imagine> both are on 5.10?
[08:11] <jacques_> and after
[08:11] <imagine> cuz you can use ssh-nfs through fuse-mount if both are with linux
[08:12] <mindslant> This box, where I want the files to come is Kubuntu 7.04 64b.  The other is on liveCD Knoppix 5.10
[08:12] <jussi01> mindslant: try sudo apt-get install nfs-user-server
[08:12] <mindslant> okay
[08:12] <imagine> both are unixes based then, don't use samba
[08:12] <mindslant> knew it!
[08:12] <imagine> linuxes*
[08:12] <jussi01> mindslant: im not certain on that one though, so be careeful
[08:13] <titanix88> hendaus:
[08:13] <imagine> hmm got a tutorial if you are over a LAN network, fuse-mount is good, encrypts all your data in 1024bits
[08:13] <Lam_> Admiral_Chicago: found it: "RealPlayer is available from Canonical's Commercial software repository for Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper) only. To install RealPlayer on 6.10 (Edgy), use one of the methods below."
[08:13] <jussi01> Lam_: good :D
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> good.. i think
[08:14] <mindslant> where's the tutorial at imagine?
[08:14] <crimsun> hmm?
[08:14] <crimsun> no, realplay is also available in edgy-commercial
[08:15] <crimsun> i.e., http://archive.canonical.com/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[08:15] <mindslant> jussi01...it downloaded adn installed but NFS is still red x'd
[08:15] <imagine> mindslant: http://www.howtoforge.com/nfs_ssh_tunneling
[08:15] <imagine> it's using a debian-based distro, gonna be easy
[08:15] <mindslant> ok
[08:16] <imagine> mindslant: sorry I actually use sshfs which is a mixture of nfs and ssh :P
[08:16] <imagine> google for it
[08:16] <imagine> I'm off to bed
[08:17] <mindslant> Thanks
[08:17] <mindslant> au revois et bon nuit
[08:17] <renato> as a matter of fact "real" appears on the ubuntu.com software catalogue
[08:19] <thomax__> when a Wireless lan PCI card has an atheros chipset it should normally be compatible with linux?
[08:19] <thomax__> Linux linuxbox 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 06:17:24 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:19] <mindslant> Finally...its working
[08:20] <Lam_> realplayer on linux is so much better than on windows. it was always too bloaty on windows
[08:23] <renato> what do you think it's best, real or helix or is it exactly the same?
[08:24] <naught101> anyone know how to run adept through a proxy with a username/password?
[08:25] <naught101> or aptitude, even better.
[08:25] <renato> and you are on the other side?
[08:30] <Jucato> !away > style
[08:33] <insmod> hdparm question -- with the new updates dma was lost i reset it with hdparm but it wont keep 32 -- when i reboot it is 16  again -- alsa k3b resets to 4x not keeping 24x
[08:33] <insmod> alsa = also
[08:36] <style> must be a ubuntu thing that they dont like /away..
[08:37] <mindslant> Thanks every one, g'night ya'll
[08:38] <kraut> moin
[08:39] <v0taguz> Anybody Have problems with the kernel update?
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago_> v0taguz: everyone
[08:41] <v0taguz> exist solution ?
[08:41] <insmod> why does xubuntu list the hard disks as sda and kubuntu does hda ? why is xubuntu makeing them scsi
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago_> insmod: i don't know its a very odd issues.
have you heard of it ?
[08:42] <Jucato> I've been hearing some people say that the latest kernel updates turned hda's to sda's...
hmm
[08:43] <Jucato> I haven't upgraded yet so I can't really say
i can't set the hdparm now
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago_> insmod: i've experience it.
[08:43] <Cosmo__>  anyone know what the difference between a nvidia 7950 GT and a 7950 GT KO is?
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago_> v0taguz: it hung on installing, i restarted and reconfigured dpkg
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago_> not really a solution
did you fix it ?
[08:45] <Xenophon> !monitor
[08:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <omega_wolf> Hello?
[08:47] <omega_wolf> Is anyone awake?
[08:48] <insmod> yes
[08:48] <omega_wolf> I have a question. My friend is running 7.04 and can't play AVIs
install the plugins sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[08:50] <omega_wolf> in the terminal?
[08:51] <Jucato> or in Adept Manager. take your pick
[08:51] <omega_wolf> Thanks!
ya or in anything synaptic etc
[08:52] <insmod> Jucato what does tab do
[08:52] <omega_wolf> Thanks. See you guys later.
[08:52] <Jucato> !tab | insmod
[08:52] <ubotu> insmod: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:53] <Jucato> insmod: type the first few letters of the person's nick then press Tab
[08:53] <insmod> Jucato, cool
[08:53] <Jucato> wb Admiral_Chicago
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> odd
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Jucato. i couldn't connect on Irssi for some odd reaso.
[08:55] <Jucato> so now you're on Konvi?
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> there I am
[08:56] <Jucato> haha
[09:05] <boubbin> boubbin@koubuntuh:~$ dcop --user boubbin
[09:05] <boubbin> ERROR: Multiple available KDE sessions!
[09:05] <boubbin> Please specify the correct session to use with --session or use the
[09:05] <boubbin> --all-sessions option to broadcast to all sessions.
[09:05] <boubbin> how can i fix this ?
[09:05] <boubbin> im not running multiple sessions of kde
[09:18] <epimeth> aaaahoyhoy
[09:18] <epimeth> :-p
[09:20] <Jucato> ahoy matey! :)
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there...more problems it appears
[09:23] <Jucato> with the kernel updates?
[09:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: Yakuake and screen and irssi
[09:24] <Jucato> oh....
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: you ever use yakuake?
[09:24] <Jucato> yep. but I haven't upgraded yet
[09:25] <Jucato> well, I'm off for the day :)
[09:25] <Jucato> see yah!
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> me too. bed now.
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> kkthxbyeJucato
[09:27] <^RiaN^> !cups
[09:27] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:42] <benjamin> hi, I'm trying to install new fonts. This works in /usr/share/fonts, but is there a way to install it into my homedir
[09:43] <benjamin> I tryed .fonts dir but didn't work
[09:43] <benjamin> the reason is that I want my fonts handy if I do a new installation
[09:44] <Rictoo|SLP> how do I see my current kernel version?