[03:29] <guiverc> i wonder if the kinetic xscreensaver issue relates to ~/.xscreensaver ; i keep being able to get it to appear/start correctly; then when i explore - it returns to crashing...   I can't work out what I'm missing (why I can get it working, then why it sometimes returns to failing..)
[03:31]  * guiverc going out in the garden...
 exactly me experience.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> i wonder if the kinetic xscreensaver issue relates to ~/.xscreensaver ; i keep being able to get it to appear/start correctly; then when i explore - it returns to crashing...   I can't work out what I'm missing (why I can get it working, then why it sometimes returns to failing..))
 tsimonq2: arraybolt3: the chaos is upon you both.  you are both being enlisted by me for git duty
 one or both of you needs to audit the repos on phab and then determine which ones have moved to git.lubuntu.me and then we need to migrate the ones that haven't been moved yet
 we'll handle CI setup after we migrate the repos
 i really want to start getting to the point we start shutting phab for things
 Count me in for some of the fun too. I wonder if we should schedule some sprint sessions?
[17:54] <tsimonq2> I don't think teward's message got to IRC, but I agree. I was going to start such a document in notes.l.m today, if anyone else gets to it first please throw me a link
[17:54] <tsimonq2> (I would suggest, if you're taking on such a task of generating a list, that you use APIs instead of manually scraping page-by-page. Even if you don't know how to write code or use the API, it's still quicker.)
[17:55] <arraybolt3> Just looking at stuff, hold on...
[17:56] <arraybolt3> @teward001: OK, sounds fun.
[17:56] <tsimonq2> (Python interpreter is the best for this, I've even witnessed Colin using it to figure things out.)
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Never used a web API before, but programming I can do, so should be easy enough in theory.
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also thanks for alerting me that there were messages from teward, I wasn't sure what I was looking at when I opened Element, but thankfully I had Konversation on all night.
[18:00] <tsimonq2> tl;dr the steps should look something like this...... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e88600dabd5d1e5a3ed418242db6a21de31f0d3c>)
[18:00] <arraybolt3[m]> One thing that comes to mind is that there's info in Phabricator that doesn't appear to be in repos at all (the wiki where we keep our testing checklist and stuff like that). I wonder how we're going to migrate those over.
[18:01] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: There's a couple of things involved in this...
[18:01] <tsimonq2> A) What's our new wiki/task solution?
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Ah, because you use fancy libraries to do that stuff. I was going to try to use C# to fight with HTTP nonsense and JSON and the like, your way looks easier.
[18:01] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: B) Do those have APIs?
[18:01] <tsimonq2> C) How easy is an automated migration?
[18:01] <tsimonq2> As in, what do the APIs support exactly?
[18:01] <tsimonq2> I did all of the Phab importing by hand. I don't wish that process on anyone else
[18:02] <tsimonq2> Ideally we'd write a script to do this for us once, GPL (of some kind) it, and publish it under a scripts repo or something
[18:02] <tsimonq2> We also have rNEWREL in Phab with a script of mine already doing some automated management of repos
[18:03] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: There should be a library already built. If there isn't a functional one already built in your language of choice (Python isn't mandatory but build instructions are), talk to me, we'll figure it out
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Part of me's sorely tempted to try to do it in Bash :P OK, so most of the languages I know are somewhat Microsoft-based, and I'm not sure if you want to install a whole dotNET stack on your machine or not (you probably have enough stacks installed already). Would it be better if I learned Python, or is attacking it in the language I know best acceptable?
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also I'm sure there's a C# library to do at least the GitHub parts of this, C# is quite prevalent in the dev world IIUC.)
[18:06] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I would say Python is a happy medium for scripts in the project. It's installed by default on Lubuntu, it's basically pseudocode when you're reading it compared to other languages, and although there is an interpreter overhead cost, afair Ubuntu's python3 is optimized and it won't matter for scripts such as these that we aren't shipping to the end user
[18:07] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL you're not going to believe this, Gitea actually shows how to interact with their API with shell scripting... maybe Bash isn't a bad choice after all then.
[18:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Whatever works - also remember you can run bash commands with python3 using `subprocess.pipe`
[18:08] <tsimonq2> Again, not particular on how it's done if you're the one writing it, but build instructions so others can reproduce it natively on a Lubuntu machine, that I'm particular on :)
[18:09] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Yeah, that makes sense. And I don't want people to have to install dotNET 6 and then go through the sometimes messy, *length* compile process that makes a rather complicated mess in the build folder. And I've learned other languages without too much trouble before.
[18:09] <arraybolt3[m]> s/*length*/_lengthy_/
[18:09] <tsimonq2> Python is in the top 5 for easiest :)
[18:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean like compiling a one-liner should not take five to ten seconds, MS, it really shouldn't.)
[18:10] <tsimonq2> (Alongside Khan Academy's psudocode I learned in 5th grade and MIT Scratch I learned in 8th grade :P)
[18:10] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I agree, hah
[18:10] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Scratch is not a language. Scratch is an animation engine with some code-looking glue. The two are different. :P
[18:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (not actually true but that's my opinion on its usefulness)
[18:11] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: It is a GUI-based programming language, by definition. Welcome to the low-barred future :P
[18:12] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, guess that's what I'll be trying to do today then. I also have a Manuskript SRU and an attempt at repairing Frescobaldi to tackle, I'll probably try to learn enough Python to get by once I'm done with Manuskript.
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Unrelated, but while you're right here, if I'm dealing with an application that is very broken or even entirely broken and am making an SRU to fix it, is it acceptable to just do a full-on version upgrade if the feature changes are very minimal and the vast majority of changes are bug fixes? I believe I've seen this done with other packages, and it seems like a sane way of doing things here, but part of me thinks
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> that might not be allowed.
[18:22] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Short answer: yes
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm dealing with two extremely broken packages, the ones I mentioned earlier, both could be fixed lickety-split with a total version upgrade, and almost everything is bug fixes in both packages, so this would be an easy way to do things.)
[18:22] <tsimonq2> "it is also acceptable to upload new microreleases with many bug fixes without individual Launchpad bugs for each of them (~ubuntu-sru will make the final decision). The upstream QA process must be documented/demonstrated and linked from the SRU tracking bug. In other cases where such upstream automatic testing is not available, exceptions must still be approved by at least one member of the Ubuntu Technical Board. "
[18:23] <tsimonq2> tl;dr from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates is "as long as we can trust upstream, we're cool"
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> That's sort of what I figured from the docs, but one of the people on Launchpad didn't seem so on-board with the idea (some guy I've never seen or heard of before), so I wasn't sure.
[18:23] <tsimonq2> Do you have a link to the logs so I can read up on context? (Perhaps from irclogs.ubuntu.com )
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: It's a Launchpad question but yeah.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/frescobaldi/+question/703513
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> The person who seems against a version upgrade is Bernard Stafford, I dunno who that is. He specifically states "Ubuntu is derived from Debian. Package will not upgrade until Kinetic.
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> FAQ #3037: “no rolling release”." This is despite the fact that the package in question (Frescobaldi) is entirely broken in Jammy. I don't know if he agreed with the fact that there were exceptions to the "no version upgrades" rule or not.
[18:26] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: https://launchpad.net/~bernard010/+participation - ~not-canonical + not a member of ~ubuntu-dev
[18:27] <tsimonq2> He's looking at it by surface-level policy
[18:27] <tsimonq2> As a member of ~ubuntu-dev, I would sponsor this
[18:27] <arraybolt3[m]> OK good. I saw Ubuntu Community Team in the groups he was in and thought maybe he had a special say in this.
[18:27] <tsimonq2> (Tentatively, only given the information I have thus far)
[18:27] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nah, no "my position trumps your opinion" here :)
[18:27] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Well yeah obviously, you'd want to look it over first, but that's implied.
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright well that takes that job from a long Python code repair session to a short "bump version, make sure it builds, make sure it works, then throw it at Simon and see what happens".
[18:34] <arraybolt3> (Or throw it at whoever else needs to review it.)
[18:34] <tsimonq2> (Sorry, my weekly standup for $dayjob just started)
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> np, I need to get my day started first anyway
[18:41] <teward> tsimonq2: one thing at a tine for moving everything.  first is git
[18:42] <tsimonq2> We need a list of what needs to be moved before we can start moving it
[18:42] <teward> yep which you and arraybolt can figure out :)
[18:42] <teward> i'll help a little but err:tired
[18:42] <teward> and also err:meetings_with_ceo_big_bossman_today
[18:43]  * arraybolt3[m] puts teward in a debugger and adds a coffee opcode to brain.clockTick()
[18:45]  * genii 's ears go up for a moment, then he wanders back to the coffeepot in another channel
[18:46] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: May things go well on that front!
[18:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: I think having write access to the repos on git.lubuntu.me may end up coming in handy right about now, I don't know if I'll need it for sure but I can see it coming in handy. Is there any blockers for that happening?
[18:48] <arraybolt3[m]> s/is/are/
[18:49]  * arraybolt3[m] goes afk, will check up on messages when I get back
 "Dan Simmons: I think having..." <- I think it was more of a social disagreement since you weren't a Lubuntu Member at the time
[20:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: I made an email request just after becoming a Lubuntu Member at your and Eickmeyer's recommendation, and didn't get any reply. I thought maybe there was something that I still needed to do or something blocking, but at any rate I currently still don't have access.
[20:54] <arraybolt3[m]> At any rate, however it works, we'll figure it out. If nothing else I can throw my code at you and you can tell me where I botched it.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> For the sake of complete transparency, I remember the reasoning being something along the lines of "he's too green" - nothing you're doing wrong, at all
[20:55] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Perfect timing, throw it at me :)
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Well that I can agree with :P My Git-fu is still about as good as a hungry 6-month-old panda.
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Uh... I just finished with getting my day started and am still working on Manuskript at this point...
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> I meant once I have the code written.
[20:56] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Don't worry, been on the other side of that already today ;)
[20:56] <tsimonq2> No worries, take your time
[20:57] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Still a lot better than I've seen with most people :)
[20:57] <tsimonq2> (At least, this early into jumping head-first)
[20:57] <tsimonq2> Anyway, however you want to give it to me, if you want practice with Git or ... however :) just let me know once you're confident with something
[20:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds good.
[21:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, a question for you while you're right here. How do I add a certain release of Ubuntu as affected by a bug? Right now the Manuskript bug is just marked as affecting Ubuntu, I want to mark it as affecting Kinetic and Jammy so that I can make SRUs for Kinetic and Jammy and have them turn into "Fix Committed/Fix Released" when the fixes are published or being published.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> You have to be a member of Bug Control, the requirements of which ... well, it's been like 5 years, I won't lie :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> Let me see how I actually have that permissionset...
[21:02] <arraybolt3[m]> If you can just tag this bug as affecting Jammy and Kinetic, that would be great. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/manuskript/+bug/1989203
[21:02] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1989203 in manuskript (Ubuntu) "Manuskript crashes on start" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[21:02] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: You got it. Then I can look into how to get you your own shiny set of buttons :)
[21:02] <arraybolt3[m]> I found the Wiki page on it.
[21:03] <tsimonq2> Critical / High / Medium / Low ?
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Critical or High, the app won't even start on Jammy or Kinetic.
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd say High since it's only this app that has a problem.
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Critical is, I think, for something that mangles all of Ubuntu.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Again, like 5 years since I've read these docs... but I think this justifies Critical...
[21:05] <tsimonq2> That's just what my gut tells me ;)
[21:05] <arraybolt3[m]> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance?
[21:05]  * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (22KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/linuxdelta.com/HPxZQQjiOcucyZJOofaHIkJs/image.png >
[21:05] <tsimonq2> Oh, so you are right on this one
[21:06] <tsimonq2> I wish they would make those descriptions clearer :/
[21:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Something that I'll point out for your reference, since we're in a weird spot (for the next few days) where Ubuntu devel isn't really a thing, make sure to note it should already be fixed in Debian and will land in the development release via autosync once the archive opens
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK.
[21:09] <tsimonq2> The SRU Team always wants to make sure it's fixed in the development release before the stable release. I'd cover yourself by being up front about that
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (And yes I did verify it was indeed fixed in Debian, I should note that in the Debian report too.)
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Perfect. :)
[21:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks for your help!
 "Thanks for your help!" <- Of course :)
[22:02] <kc2bez[m]> OK, I think I am caught up. I can make some adjustments to git ACLs. I think I have most of the repos all set up, at least enough to get the party started. Right now they are mirrored from github. We need to flip that so github becomes the mirror from git.l.m
[22:03] <arraybolt3> I'm still in SRU mode over here, so no hurry.
[22:03] <kc2bez[m]> Sure thing. I am not at the keys yet, just on my phone.
[22:17] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3: I think that might be what you need.
[22:17] <arraybolt3[m]> That? Sorry, something may have gotten lost.
[22:18] <kc2bez[m]> As far as git permissions
[22:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK. Thank you!
[23:29] <tsimonq2> Dan Simmons: Do I have the ability to grant such permissions?
[23:30] <kc2bez[m]> I am not sure. Maybe?
[23:31] <tsimonq2> That's why I'm so confused. He already has access.
[23:32] <kc2bez[m]> I just added him a little bit ago
[23:32] <tsimonq2> Ah sweet, thanks :)
[23:32] <kc2bez[m]> Of course.
[23:35] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I haven't looked into what exactly manuskript does, but I would be interested to hear the upgrade story: how does this affect existing installations, and are there any reverse-dependencies?
[23:51]  * arraybolt3[m] looks for somewhere to put my PB&J so I can type
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Manuskript has no reverse-depends. It's basically a novel-writing tool. In its current state, it always crashes if you try to launch it, upgrading to the newer release makes it work properly (at least in my testing - it starts, can create a new project, can save, and can open stuff). For people who have Manuskript installed currently, they aren't able to use it. When this upgrade is installed, Manuskript will start
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> working again.
[23:54] <tsimonq2> lubuntu-qa cc guiverc leokolb: bug 1992507 is ready for verification at your earliest convenience ;)
[23:54] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 1992507 in calamares (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Calamares 3.2.61" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992507
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Someone in the #ubuntu:matrix.org channel noticed the problem first and helped me reproduce it, like, a month ago or so, so he's really going to be glad when this lands.
[23:55] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Got it, remember to tell the SRU team that :)
[23:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, like in the bug description?
[23:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Or where do I put that info?
[23:55] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also should I subscribe anyone else to that report?)


[19:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Okay, who is here for the Xubuntu Community Meeting?
[19:03] <beardygnome> hi, sorry i'm late
[19:03] <beardygnome> i am
[19:03] <charlie-tca> not late yet
[19:04] <charlie-tca> I am still looking for people who should be here...
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Canonical is down in Dallas, but we should be be around
[19:05] <mr_pouit> \o (phone, sorry)
[19:06] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:06. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I think we should start this meeting.
[19:07] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] The agenda is available for everyone at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  The agenda is available for everyone at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:07] <charlie-tca> hm, the meeting bot is an hour off today
[19:08] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:08] <charlie-tca> first we have updates for http://xubuntu.org
[19:08] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville has not gotten a message back to pleia2 yet, and that is holding up action
[19:09] <beardygnome> is cody-somerville here?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> next, we have the discussion started on the ML for default applications in Natty
[19:10] <charlie-tca> He is probably in Dallas, but I don't know for sure
[19:10] <charlie-tca> He is not answering today
[19:10] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we seem to have generated quite a discussion
[19:11] <charlie-tca> My own thoughts are that if chrome is updating monthly, maybe it is still beta even if they are not calling it that.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> and I would then recommend we stay with firefox
[19:11] <mr_pouit> it seems to be rather stable though
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Your choice
[19:12] <beardygnome> even though i prefer chromium, i'm happy with that decision for the default
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I do not want applications changed to give us a lower memory footprint versus usability.
[19:12] <mr_pouit> well, let's wait for a consensus on the ml, I'm happy with both (either firefox or chormium)
[19:12] <beardygnome> chrome updates are every 6 weeks or so and they are bumping up the version numbers rapidly
[19:12] <charlie-tca> good enough.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Anyone else had a chance to test lightdm?
[19:13] <beardygnome> is it packaged for maverick?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: also, claws-mail really is not as easy to setup as thunderbird, yet
[19:13] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: no, I don't believe it is
[19:13] <charlie-tca> and the ppa requires a lot of work to get it installed
[19:13] <mr_pouit> I never tested it, but I heard it has a 'weird' ui ;>
[19:14] <charlie-tca> claws-mail?
[19:14] <mr_pouit> yeah
[19:14] <charlie-tca> it is difficult to set up compared to thunderbird and evolution
[19:14] <mr_pouit> okay
[19:15] <charlie-tca> With a good possiblity of Ubuntu moving to Thunderbird in O, I think we are in a good position keeping it
[19:15] <beardygnome> i agree
[19:15] <charlie-tca> anything else on default apps?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> midori just isn't ready until we can transfer the bookmarks
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Next, we have take the discussion about default launchers to the ML
[19:16] <charlie-tca> I don't remember if this got started or not?
[19:17] <charlie-tca> I guess I should take an action for it, then
[19:18] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] take the discussion about default launchers to the ML
[19:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  take the discussion about default launchers to the ML
[19:18] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates
[19:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates
[19:18] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit for packaging and development updates?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Xfce4.8 is scheduled for release this Sunday
[19:20] <mr_pouit> yeah
[19:20] <charlie-tca> any updates on the rest?
[19:20] <mr_pouit> not much activity this week for packaging :>
[19:20] <mr_pouit> uploaded xfce4-power-manager 1.0.3
[19:20] <charlie-tca> I would be surprised if there was, with that comingup
[19:20] <mr_pouit> and patched xfce4-session to lock the screen on suspend/hibernate
[19:21] <mr_pouit> I think that's all
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Great! we been looking forward to the lock
[19:21] <charlie-tca> thank you, mr_pouit
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Bug Triage & Testing
[19:21] <charlie-tca> We have triaged about 70 bugs this week
[19:22] <mr_pouit> yay, abiword spam attack in my mailbox :P
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I went through all the 10.04 bugs, and we don't actually have any critical to the release
[19:22] <charlie-tca> yup, I did that, too, huh?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> We do have broken images again.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> libwebkit is replaced by libwebkitgtk, I think it is?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Do we fix that?
[19:25] <mr_pouit> I think it will be fixed "automagically" (i.e. we don't depend on webkit directly, so I guess it's ok)
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I will need to get in touch with the documentation person, so we get lucid docs done
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Okay, I hope so. Ubuntu live cd doesn't have the error today, so maybe we will be okay tomorrow
[19:26] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:26] <charlie-tca> we need to get anything for 10.04.2 into -proposed by next thursday
[19:27] <charlie-tca> I think the docs will make it, and micahg said he will try to get them in if they are done
[19:27] <charlie-tca> We can do that, right, mr_pouit ?
[19:28] <mr_pouit> yeah, it looks ok
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[19:28] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
[19:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements
[19:29] <charlie-tca> well, I don't seem to have any announcements today.
[19:29] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[19:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[19:29] <charlie-tca> anyone have anything we missed or needs to be brought up?
[19:30] <mr_pouit> nothing from me =]
[19:30] <beardygnome> not from me
[19:30] <charlie-tca> I like this, nice and short today
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Not having any more to discuss, let's end.
[19:30] <mr_pouit> well, we were 3, it's easy to make a short meeting ;)
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks for making it to the meeting
[19:30] <beardygnome> oh, i did have one thing...
[19:31] <beardygnome> i've been testing greybird
[19:31] <charlie-tca> well, go ahead, beardygnome
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Is it working for you?
[19:32] <beardygnome> i got one bug fixed and i've found a couple more that i'll report on the ml
[19:32] <beardygnome> nopthing major, just some icons that belnd in a bit too well with the panel
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing those tests! It sure helps to know it isn't just me looking at this stuff
[19:32] <beardygnome> *nothing, *blend
[19:32] <mr_pouit> you can also report them on #shimmer if you need to discuss directly with ochosi btw
[19:33] <beardygnome> i think a screenshot will suffice
[19:33] <beardygnome> can i send attachments on the ml, or should i host it elsewhere?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Can send attachments.
[19:34] <beardygnome> that's good - i'll screenshot my panel and drop it on the ml
[19:34] <charlie-tca> that works
[19:34] <charlie-tca> anything else?
[19:35] <beardygnome> that's all then.  been really busy at work, but hoping to get around to the rest of the docs next week
[19:35] <charlie-tca> thanks again. I know your time is valuable and I appreciate you both making the meeting.
[19:35] <beardygnome> i've reviewed sections 1 to 6 so far
[19:35] <charlie-tca> There is a lot to do yet
[19:35] <beardygnome> on the docs or in general?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> I saw a message that the docs were available in html now, didn't I?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> docs, mostly.
[19:36] <beardygnome> i haven't seen that message
[19:36] <beardygnome> but i've been quite focused on the day job this passed week
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Might be all in my mind, too
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Okay, let's go back to work then...
[19:37] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[19:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:37.
[19:38] <beardygnome> see you next week charlie-tca
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Great!
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping with those reviews


[04:47] <snadge> #1048059
[04:48] <snadge> i thought that was meant to be a trigger :P
[04:48] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1048059
[04:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048059 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "Adding ACLs to /media/$user does not work" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[04:50] <snadge> oh i see.. it tries to mount in /media/$user for some reason.. which is unable to be created
[05:01] <snadge> that can't be terribly difficult.. fix it ;)
[13:10] <dlynes_laptop> I'm curious if when I update an expired bug report on bugs.launchpad.net, does it repopen the bug?
[13:16] <dlynes_laptop> s/repopen/reopen/
[13:24] <rbasak> dlynes_laptop: I don't think so. You should be able to set the status back to New yourself I think.
[13:25] <dlynes_laptop> rbasak, ah...cool.  Didn't think i was special enough to be able to do that.   Thanks.
[18:17] <emptythevoid> Hey guys, can someone test something for me?  I might need to file a bug report, but I'd like to see if someone can reproduce it on ubuntu 12.10
[18:24] <emptythevoid> Can someone assist me with a possible bug in Ubuntu 12.10?  I think it's affecting gnome/unity, but I'm not sure what package to file against
[18:26] <s9iper1> define the bug
[18:26] <emptythevoid> It seems that applications that don't use the default save dialog box are saving to the /Home directory when using the "Other..." button
[18:27] <emptythevoid> If the application uses the standard save dialogue, it saves as expected
[18:28] <emptythevoid> For example, DeVeDe will show a simplified save dialogue showing some default directories.  Saving into these default directories is fine, but if you choose "Other..." to save *anywhere*, it always saves to the /Home directory.
[18:29] <emptythevoid> I can reproduce this on DeVeDe and Openshot, both of which use the simplified save dialogue.  But Gimp or Gedit, which use the fill save dialogue, do not have this problem.
[18:29] <emptythevoid> This is on a fresh install of 12.10 64-bit.  Didn't have this issue when using 12.04
[18:30] <s9iper1> seb128:
[18:31] <s9iper1> no idea can understand
[18:31] <s9iper1> can not understand
[18:31] <s9iper1> sorry
[18:32] <emptythevoid> Would you like me to try to explain again?
[18:36] <s9iper1> i say you seb128 is not here else he must understand your bug emptythevoid
[18:37] <s9iper1> i say you talk with seb128 i dont know more about nautlius
[20:25] <nerd_jones> hello everyone
[20:31] <nerd_jones> i have been using linux off and on for about 10 years, over the past year i started using ubuntu, i installed xubuntu 12.10 and decided its time to start helping, but this is all very confusing to me, is anyone alive out there that could maybe answer a few quick questions for me?
[20:44] <donc3> Hi!
[20:44] <donc3> can somebody help me??
[20:45] <nerd_jones> maybe, whats up?
[20:45] <donc3> I'm getting an error with libc package and I don't know how to fix it
[20:45] <nerd_jones> whats the error?
[20:45] <donc3> after I do apt-get upgrade
[20:46] <donc3> I have this error
[20:46] <donc3>  libc6 : Depende: libc-bin (= 2.15-0ubuntu10.2) pero 2.15-0ubuntu10.3 está instalado  libc6-dev : Depende: libc6 (= 2.15-0ubuntu10.3) pero 2.15-0ubuntu10.2 está instalado E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo usando -f.
[20:46] <donc3> sorry is in spanish
[20:47] <donc3> and if I do apt-get -f install it gets me this:
[20:48] <donc3> A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory:   '/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.15.so' It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation; please remove that copy of the C library or get it out of '/lib/i386-linux-gnu' and try again.
[20:49] <donc3> Can somebody help me???
[20:49] <nerd_jones> ok, as a warning i am by no means a ubuntu expert, i was here for some help myself, but ill try to help you out
[20:50] <donc3> ok
[20:50] <donc3> thanks
[20:50] <nerd_jones> did you try it with the -f ?
[20:50] <nerd_jones> oh, just saw that sorry
[20:50] <donc3> ;)
[20:51] <nerd_jones> so what if you copy /lib/i386-linux-gnu to somewhere else for a second, long enough to try the update again?
[20:52] <donc3> if I copy this file to another location doesn't works anything
[20:52] <nerd_jones>  /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.15.so rather, not just the /i386-linux-gnu
[20:52] <micahg> nerd_jones: that's a bad idea
[20:52] <donc3> yes, i know
[20:53] <donc3> I have already tried
[20:53] <donc3> and I have had use a livecd to recover the system
[20:53] <micahg> donc3: find the libc6 deb and use dpkg to manually install (BTW, #ubuntu is for support)
[20:54] <donc3> I have tried too
[20:54] <nerd_jones> micahg, i dunno, it says to get it out of there so i thought it might be worth a shot, haha
[20:54] <micahg> nerd_jones: moving libc out from underneath the system might make it not work at all :)
[20:55] <nerd_jones> micahg, that thought crossed my mind, i need to try to be more correct and less quick to try and be helpful
[20:55] <donc3> If I install libc6 form its deb i gets my this error micahg
[20:55] <donc3>  A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory:   '/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.15.so' It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation; please remove that copy of the C library or get it out of '/lib/i386-linux-gnu' and try again.
[20:56] <micahg> donc3: did you lose power during an upgrade or somethin?
[20:56] <donc3> no
[20:56] <micahg> are you on am amd64 system?
[20:56] <donc3> i386
[20:57] <nerd_jones> would he be able to boot from the live cd and remove the libc and then upgrade the system from the livecd?
[20:57]  * micahg would suggest asking in #ubuntu
[20:58] <micahg> that's where the library belongs, so something's fishy
[21:00] <donc3> ok i'm trying to ask there...
[21:04] <nerd_jones> so how does someone without exceptional know how of linux, just many years of using it and fixing whatever problems arise, go about helping ubuntu, im looking for a way to "give back" any suggestions?
[21:15] <micahg> nerd_jones: bug triage, support in IRC?


[13:32] <Kilos> hi MarwenDo
[13:34] <CraigZim> ah, there is live on the old channel still, Hi Kilos :)
[13:34] <Kilos> hi CraigZim
[13:35] <Kilos> you guys must keep things going when i am slack
[13:35] <CraigZim> Hows you Kilos ?
[13:36] <Kilos> im ok ty. back in za since last night
[13:37] <CraigZim> welcome back , hows the ticker?
[13:37] <Kilos> still need to go for 2 by[passes
[13:37] <CraigZim> eish
[13:37] <Kilos> tswo blocked arteries to right side of heart
[13:38] <CraigZim> when you planning for?
[13:40] <Kilos> when my son has a break to take me in
[13:40] <Kilos> most likely early new year
[13:40] <CraigZim> all the best for that
[13:40] <Kilos> ty
[13:41] <Kilos> QA wb
[13:41] <QA> Thank you so much Kilos my good friend
[13:54] <elacheche> Kilos: how are you doing?
[13:55] <Kilos> ok ty elacheche and you
[14:01] <elacheche> Good thnaks Kilos :)
[17:02] <MarwenDo> hellllllo Kilos-


[04:00] <tea4all> I am trying to get to the #ubuntu support channel. Pidgin keeps sending me to the #ubuntu-ops channel.
[04:11] <ajmorris> LjL, you around?
[04:37] <ajmorris> or elkbuntu?
[11:33] <juliux> morning
[11:44] <elkbuntu> ajmorris, possibly a bit late, but i'm here now...
[15:40] <erUSUL> Have people read this? http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary.html?start=164 <<<< added it to a factoid?
[15:42] <jrib> yes, i think no
[15:42] <jrib> !ultimatix
[15:42] <jrib> I guess yes :)
[15:51] <erUSUL> jrib: good XD
[16:11] <juliux> hi
[16:12] <juliux> i want to setup an extra user who owns all the german irc ubuntu channels
[16:12] <juliux> is there an easy way to manange the access to this user?
[16:12] <nalioth> juliux: just give him +f
[16:13] <juliux> nalioth: and then share the password?
[16:13] <nalioth> there are no more channel passwords
[16:13] <nalioth> not since we went to the new services
[16:13] <juliux> i mean the passwort for the nick
[16:13] <nalioth> no, you assign his nick a +f in the channels you want him to 'own'
[16:14] <juliux> that should be an extra nick which is not active as a normal user
[16:14] <juliux> or as a normal op
[16:15] <nalioth> oh, you want a 'dummy nick' to be able to 'own' all the channels, right?
[16:15] <juliux> yes
[16:15] <juliux> so you don't need to change all the channels if one perosn quites
[16:15] <nalioth> just make a new nick and give it +f in the channels
[16:15] <juliux> ok
[16:16] <nalioth> i'd keep the password to yourself or the irc council ( if it gets out, it'll be terrible )
[16:16] <juliux> good idea
[16:16] <juliux> but i don't want to be longer the founder of all the channels
[16:18] <nalioth> i understand
[16:30] <juliux> nalioth: is there a way to reach the irc council on a prive way?
[16:36] <nalioth> yes, one moment
[20:13] <kulight> how do i add ubottu to a loco room ?
[20:16] <LjL> kulight, i'm afraid ubottu is c


[00:04] <Unit193> Should be able to mute one source and unmute the other, but I tend to play in audacity to check things out.
[00:08] <FuuqUmiist> i can't get it to work on audacity
[03:31] <FuuqUmiist> so no one knows how to change the audio input?
[03:32] <ianorlin> maybe try amixer
[03:32] <ianorlin> although alsamixer is more convient
[04:36] <FuuqUmiist> what is the keyboard shortcut to change desktops
[04:44] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+Left or Right.
[04:47] <FuuqUmiist> so lubuntu is the best linux that is as lightweight and user friendly as Windows XP?
[05:05] <ianorlin> also alt+mousewheel works
[05:12] <greeter>   oh dear...
[12:13] <SLit_> Hi! I have trouble installing lubuntu. When I chose install or try after I while I get just mouse cursor and monitor just flashing. Like someone is shuting down and then open it again
[14:03] <Kaylors> Quick question: I have a HP 431 with AMD Radeon 7450M and Intel HD 3000 hybrid graphics. Are there proper drivers for Lubuntu or will I be screwed over as with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[14:06] <Kaylors> Seriously? No one?
[14:13] <Myrtti> if you're expecting immediate answers, you're going to have a bad time
[14:14] <Myrtti> patience is kind of expected asset
[14:14] <Mikaela> Kaylors: If you install jockey-gtk, it should show if there are propietary drivers available for easy installation.
[14:15] <Kaylors> Mikaela: Thanks...
[14:25] <lnx2> i
[17:12] <koell> i would like to install lubuntu on a netbook. should i use 32 or 64bit for?
[17:15] <PaulW2U> koell: Which version you install will depend on your processor. My netbook has a 32-bit processor so a 32-bit installation is the only option.
[17:17] <koell> PaulW2U: it's a asus emachine em350 with intel atom cpu
[17:20] <koell> the intel atom n450 has 64bit, i will just try it
[17:22] <PaulW2U> koell: if the installation hangs when installing 64-bit then it's probably a 32-bit processor :o)
[17:23] <koell> PaulW2U: okey, so i will know it immediately, fine
[17:41] <koell> wow lubuntu runs really smooth. even on netbooks <3
[18:54] <Neppy> hi there; so i'm using lubuntu on my mother's laptop; the screen of the laptop is kinda borked so it can be hard to see anything on there which is why she connects it up to the TV or a monitor which has been working fine for a couple months
[18:55] <Neppy> but now after login the screen just goes black for some reason.. and i heard weird audio "clicks", then when i hit the power button it goes into shutdown screen (visible again instead of just black) and turns off
[18:55] <Neppy> can switch to the console or what it was called just fine... googled a bit and tried xrandr which just says "Can't open display" though
[18:55] <Neppy> the fn button to switch screens does nothing either it seems
[18:55] <Neppy> (the black screen is on the laptop screen that is, and cant seem to get it to display anything on the TV or monitor)
[18:56] <Neppy> any ideas?
[19:05] <wxl> Neppy: what's changed since it worked and when it didn't work?
[19:06] <Neppy> nothing as far as i know; maybe an update but not sure :p i know she started it up once with the TV not connected right at the beginning rather than it being connected; or i think the cable slipped out while it was already on; but i dont think that should break it in such a way?
[19:07] <Neppy> also when i booted into windows it still seemed to work fine so it shouldnt be the port or fn keys that broke
[19:07] <holstein> in those cases, i'll troubleshoot the following.. try booting an earlier kernel. i'll disable the onboard screen in the bios, and try a monitor (not a TV) on the unit.. i'll run "aplay -l" in a terminal to see if the audio hardware is being used
[19:08] <Neppy> i only get those weird audionoise clicks when in lubuntu though, so no clue what those are.. disable onboard screen? how would i turn that back on then though?
[19:08] <holstein> Neppy: why would you turn it back on?
[19:08] <Neppy> well i'd guess to see something, unless im misreading something
[19:08] <holstein> Neppy: i disable broken hardware, personally.. and use an external monitor that is known good via VGA
[19:09] <Neppy> well its broken as in it is flickering
[19:10] <holstein> ok.. i test with a known good monitor, and have a situation that i know works, and i disable the onboard since setting only the external means you can stop messing about with the function keys
[19:10] <holstein> but, i would want to have a known-good monitor setting about that i have used
[19:10] <holstein> Neppy: there was an implied order above.. have you tried booting the older kernel?
[19:11] <Neppy> i havent, not even sure how to do that ^^"
[19:11] <holstein> Neppy: i feel you are stuck on disabling the onboard video.. if that bothers you, dont do it.. im just stating what i would do to rule out possible points of failure
[19:11] <Neppy> well my point is kind of if i turn it off and the monitor doesnt work then im kinda more stuck than i was already
[19:12] <wxl> it's temporary
[19:12] <holstein> Neppy: you should go ahead and plan for that, for when that onboard video breaks.. and as i said, i have a known-good monitor i plug in via VGA
[19:13] <holstein> Neppy: if that is not working for you, dont do it..
[19:13] <holstein> Neppy: you boot an older kernel by choosing it in grub
[19:13] <Neppy> hmm let me try
[19:14] <holstein> this addresses a kernel upgrade, and lets you see if thats the issue.. if all is well with the older kernel, you can assume a kernel upgrade is breaking your hardware support
[19:15] <wxl> could be some package upgrade though…
[19:16] <holstein> could be alsa firmware, or who knows.. but, kernel upgrades are easy to test for
[19:17] <wxl> maybe xrandr itself
[19:17] <wxl> but, yeah, i'd weed out the kernel
[19:18] <holstein> booting the older kernel takes only a few minutes to test..
[19:18] <holstein> Neppy: how did the older kernel work? the same?
[19:21] <ianorlin> I wonder if it could be something in X which you could test to see if could still get to tty
[19:21] <wxl> wait
[19:21] <wxl> he did say he could get to tty didn't he?
[19:22] <wxl> 1055 [freenode] < Neppy:#lubuntu> can switch to the console or what it was called just fine...
[19:22] <ianorlin> yes
[19:22] <wxl> not sure exactly how to interpret that but i imagine he can see it
[19:22] <wxl> so it probably is an x issue. still could be a kernel (module) issue.
[19:25] <holstein> Neppy said, or implied he could get to tty
[19:25] <holstein> he/she...
[19:31] <Neppy> *she; older kernel does nothing it seems; also slight correction: the monitor doesnt seem to work on windows either, just the fn keys do; and not while booting either... strangely it goes black while its connected to the laptop though (without connection it just says "No signal")
[19:31] <wxl> that to me, then, sounds like an issue with the display
[19:31] <holstein> Neppy: nothing? so, it doesnt boot *anything*? just a plain black screen? or the same issue on the older kernel?
[19:31] <Neppy> same issue on older kernel
[19:31] <holstein> yup.. the windows support is a great test for the hardware..
[19:32] <holstein> i would not mess with the software anymore til i test with a different display and cables
[19:32] <Neppy> well the display are screen adn TV with 2 diff cables, so if anything broken maybe the port on the laptop or such
[19:33] <ianorlin> the tv and monitor seem to work fine right
[19:34] <holstein> Neppy: could be that port as well..
[19:34] <Neppy> hmm wel lthe tv works fine
[19:34] <Neppy> let me test the display screen on my pc
[19:35] <holstein> Neppy: the TV works fine on another input, though
[19:36] <Neppy> well with my fathers laptop the tv works too
[19:37] <ianorlin> then you also know that cable is good
[19:40] <holstein> the cable, and the TV display
[19:40] <holstein> if windows wont work there, then, it makes me think the port, or the motherboard, or something hardware like that
[19:41] <ianorlin> which we can't really fix remotely
[19:41] <holstein> or, in linus software at all :/
[19:43] <Neppy> well the screen with the same cable also works fine on my PC... so must be the laptop port, video hardware or motherboard
[19:43] <holstein> Neppy: sure seems that way..
[19:43] <wxl> considering she pulled the cable out or whatever, that's proabably it
[19:43] <holstein> Neppy: is it connecting via VGA?
[19:44] <Neppy> the display? ya, through hdmi/vga adapter but the display thing is vga
[19:45] <holstein> i think, if i had a monitor handy, i would mess about with it and the bios a little.. could be that its toast, but there might be a setting somewhere that works
[19:45] <holstein> at least you know where the issue is, it seems
[19:45] <wxl> that adapter may be your problem, too
[19:45] <Neppy> in what way?
[19:46] <Neppy> the adapter is only for my PC anyway
[19:46] <wxl> not adapters in general, but the adapter may have failed
[19:46] <Neppy> where the display works fine
[19:46] <Neppy> since my gpu has no vga out
[19:46] <holstein> yup.. i would bypass everything you can
[19:48] <Neppy> holstein: hm.. might try that tomorrow - though a bit hard to see the bios on the laptop screen
[19:48] <holstein> Neppy: mostly, when i boot machines with external VGA like that, they post the bios on both the onboard, and external
[19:49] <Neppy> hm well didnt try bios yet but the whole bootup stuff didnt show on the external screen
[19:50] <holstein> Neppy: sure, but if whatever is broken is broken, it wont
[19:50] <Neppy> ^^
[19:50] <holstein> Neppy: thats not to say that it wouldnt on a VGA monitor normally
[19:51] <holstein> i have just set up a few "headless laptops" in the past... so i have fooled about and spent more time here than i should have :)
[20:01] <Neppy> still wouldnt explain why lubuntu makes those weird click noises - except if its somehow influenced by the broken hardware
[20:01] <holstein> sure... could be bad motherboard, or power related
[20:02] <Neppy> hm
[20:02] <Neppy> well not like it matters much when the video-out doesnt work either way; just curious heh
[20:43] <LuvLinuxOS> hi all
[21:20] <jirido> Hi.
[21:28] <jirido> How do i change what program terminal uses to open links in..
[21:31] <genii> jirido: What is it currently using? Links2 or something?
[21:46] <jirido> genii: Sad to say it uses chrome even if FF is my default browser
[21:47] <genii> jirido: What says the result of: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[21:49] <Unit193> jirido: Do you click the link with the mouse or how are you trying to open it?
[21:50] <jirido> ill see / mouse so far but i working on it, Just installed screen..
[21:52] <jirido> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 jan 17  2013 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/chromium-browser
[21:53] <jirido> how do i change that?
[21:53] <jirido> ahh of corse
[21:53] <Unit193> update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox  (Do  I remember right?)
[21:54] <jirido> o.0--b
[21:55] <Unit193> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser   for something more interactive.
[21:56] <jirido> Un so you meen it askes?
[21:57] <Unit193> Yeah, it'll then ask which you want.
[21:57] <jirido> Ok in popup pr cli?
[21:57] <jirido> or*
[21:59] <Unit193> CLI.
[22:04] <jirido> when i run sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser it does ask if i want to keep the default or choose a number of alternatives.. The only one with automatic and not manual in the end is also labeled chromium.. there is no alternative for just automatic
[22:04] <jirido> Or choose when you click
[22:06] <Unit193> You hit a number there and it'll select that browser as default.
[22:20] <jirido> Unit193: Ok I got it so that there were an alternative to get to choose everytime i click on a link :) Now i get it! Thanks It worked well!
[22:21] <Unit193> You're welcome!
[22:21] <Unit193> genii: ^
[22:22] <genii> Unit193: Heh :)
[22:22] <Unit193> Your idea.
[22:22] <genii> Unit193: I didn't get a highlight in this channel so didn't get back to the part about configuring it yet :)
[22:24] <jirido> Im now strictly FF Well i have now installed elinx and linx but they dont show in the list.. Could i get them as default also?
[22:25] <Unit193> That's in www-browser
[22:26] <jirido> so they are not www-browsers
[22:27] <jirido> sorry
[22:27] <jirido>  now i get it
[22:28] <genii> the www-browser is for when you are in only CLI and not a terminal inside X, the x-www-browser is for the graphical ones
[22:28] <Unit193> Then there is gnome-www-browser too. ;)
[22:29] <genii> jirido: If you so desire, you can add manually entries to the alternatives. I'd have to look up the syntax however, I haven't done it since I was tinkering with different java this way
[22:29] <jirido> one is automatic mode is that the last i opened?
[22:30] <Unit193> They are ranked by numbers, it's telling you which would be default.
[22:32] <jirido> I most look pastebin and youtubevideos people post here with irssi so it would be cool to be able to open them in som www-browswer that suports flash.. but at other times it would be nice to get the link to FF.. but i would go for www-browser
[22:33] <Unit193> A text browser that supports flash, I don't think you've ever used a terminal browser. :)
[22:35] <jirido> i have but im looking right now if i can find a hack
[22:35] <jirido> It would be cool
[22:35] <jirido> Some have image suport i understand
[22:37] <genii> Yes, you can run links2 with -g for instance. It has graphics, and if psmouse driver is loaded, mouse too. But no javascript/java/flash/etc
[22:42] <jirido> Ok.. sad. It would be fun. I dont understand why it is so imposible to run for an example ff in a cli.. with pentadactyl..
[22:43] <jirido>  well that were probably not so smart said.. but i feel it!
[22:46] <jirido> Ohh.. linux.com looked nice
[23:45] <Neppy> well thanks for the help earlier ^^ and night


[03:18] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=648429801&size=o <---hmmm
[04:11] <lapo> hi
[04:41] <darkmatter>  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=648899363&size=o   or  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=648899381&size=o   hmm...
[10:18] <nysosym> hi there :D
[10:18] <nysosym> what are the news about the artwork in gutsy?
[11:06] <nothlit> i dunno if theres much
[11:06] <nothlit> but kwwii is interested in any suggestions, with the caution that it may not be used
[11:07] <kwwii> heard my name :-)
[11:07] <kwwii> I'll be sending a mail and creating wiki pages, etc. very soon
[11:08] <kwwii> I am not trying to scare anyone away from helping with the "caution it may not be used" but before I anger more people I thought it was only right
[11:10] <kwwii> time for bed now, trip to scotland tomorrow


[02:10] <McPeter> k1l_, hehe .. we have a same people :)
[02:11] <k1l_> yep. its the same story every time. "i know how to unlock root and have to show it everyone"
[02:12] <McPeter> sic :'(
[02:14] <McPeter> oh sh.... my realy poor english :\
[02:15] <McPeter> i try to help and prevent when i see "use sudo su" … but i'm very bad speak
[02:15] <k1l_> well, im german and my english is not in best shape too :)
[02:16] <McPeter> :)
[02:19] <ninnnu> So, "rooting" Ubuntu is a thing now, just like rooting Android and iPhone?
[02:21] <k1l_> its what the cool kids do :/
[02:25] <xnox> ninnnu: not so much "rooting" in Ubuntu, as we ship root to the user out of the box ;-)
[02:26] <k1l_> but Mark S. said he got root ;p
[02:27] <McPeter> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/how-to-easily-skin-ubuntus-unity-desktop/
[02:27] <McPeter> k1l_, you sugest that ?
[02:27] <McPeter> suggest? sugest ? :\
[02:29] <k1l_> on 12.04 myunity works. it doesnt work under 12.10 because they changed the dconf/gconf stuff. on 12.10 i recommend unsettings
[02:29] <ninnnu> xnox: But it does take incredible l33t-skillz to open ancient looking terminal and type in "sudo passwd"!
[02:30] <McPeter> ah ok
[02:31] <k1l_> McPeter: in 12.04 myunity is in the repos
[02:31] <McPeter> ok
[02:31] <McPeter> (i'm use (again) gnome-panel :p)
[02:33] <k1l_> im running unity since 11.10
[02:34] <McPeter> i can't use unity for the moment :( (quadri screen)
[02:35] <McPeter> only on laptop
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> i think ubottu died... (in #ubuntu)
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> was she caught in the netsplit?
[20:05] <AlanBell> TheLordOfTime: died separately
[20:06] <Fuchs> died earlier and is already known
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> ah okay, because the floodbots tried to pull !netsplit and it didnt work, so was curious.


[03:34] <elopio> ping veebers, how are you?
[03:40] <veebers> elopio: hey yeah I am, how's things on the new team?
[03:41] <elopio> veebers: it's good. A little lonely at this time.
[03:41] <elopio> I miss working with you on my late night.
[03:43] <veebers> elopio: heh yeah I can attest to the loneliness, missed working with you too
[03:46] <veebers> elopio: what's the haps?
[03:48] <elopio> veebers: not much. Preparing dinner, and about to call it a day.
[03:50] <veebers> elopio: nice, you might be happy to know that I'm working on a branch that will push autopilot to 1.6 as it removes the object registry, all uses of CPOs will be explicit
[03:50] <veebers> although, not sure how much that impacts you nowadays
[03:51] <elopio> veebers: cool! I read your email with the proposal and it's awesome.
[03:51] <elopio> it won't affect my job much, but as soon as things settle down, I hope I can get back to contribute tests to the community apps.
[03:53] <veebers> ah I see, well forget that I mentioned it :-)
[03:54] <veebers> elopio: was there something I can help you with or you just keen to catch up? (which is fine, I'm just on the edge of my seat thinking "What's broken that he wants me to fix") :-)
[03:59] <elopio> veebers: no, just saying hi.
[04:07] <veebers> elopio: awesome :-) Make sure you stay in touch (I'll do the same)
[05:47] <veebers> elopio: are you still around perchance? (although I suspect you've called it a day)
[05:50] <elopio> veebers: doing some last runs. How can I help you?
[05:53] <veebers> elopio: hey I'm working a a UUITK branch to make the autopilot tests work with the experimental 1.6 version, I'm wanting to get your opinion on the changes that are happening (i.e. am I missing something, will this impact authors in a more destructive way).
[05:54] <veebers> elopio: I'm not expecting you to do more than a cursory glance at the branch
[05:54] <veebers> I don't expect you to do my work for me :-)
[05:54] <elopio> veebers: throw me the branch.
[05:55] <veebers> elopio: one sec, pushing
[05:56] <veebers> elopio: branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/update-for-upcoming-autopilot-1.6/
[05:57] <veebers> elopio: I'll fire up a MP so it's easier to look at the changes
[05:58] <veebers> elopio: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/update-for-upcoming-autopilot-1.6/+merge/262045
[05:59] <elopio> veebers: you have to propose against staging.
[06:00] <veebers> elopio: oh? rats, ok let me delete that MP
[06:01] <veebers> elopio: this one? ~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging
[06:01] <elopio> veebers: yes.
[06:01] <veebers> elopio: ok, 2nd time lucky: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/update-for-upcoming-autopilot-1.6/+merge/262046
[06:15] <veebers> elopio: ugh, I see there is a translation included there I'll get rid of it
[06:15] <veebers> elopio: also you may notice that the inclusion of this branch gets rid of the 'workarounds' in that diff that I haven't removed yet: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/1.6-OR-removal_from-proxy-object/+merge/262049
[06:17] <elopio> veebers: what will happen here if the parent is not a QQuickFlickable? parent = QQuickFlickable.from_proxy_object(parent)
[06:19] <veebers> elopio: yeah this gave me dome thought. As long as nothing QQuickFlickable is called on that object (i.e. tries to select an element that it doesn't contain) nothing will go wrong
[06:19] <veebers> there is no validation made etc. It doesn't check the path or 'validate_dbus'. _but_ it's early days and this could be changed perhaps
[06:20] <veebers> (hence why I'm running it past you)
[06:21] <elopio> veebers: I find it weird. At first I thought it would be nice for it to raise an exception, and we can just catch it in here.
[06:21] <elopio> but this code passes even if we are using a class that extends QQuickFlickable, so the exception won't work.
[06:22] <elopio> hum, but then this can potentially break some things. The definition of is_flickable is not linked to the class name. We return true if it has the properties that a flickable would have.
[06:23] <veebers> elopio: yeah, it's what got me pondering, as we're changing how it all works, originally autopilot kept track of what it might be and magically applied a CPO (generally correctly) but removing the object registry means that there is no link from app -> selected_class etc.
[06:24] <elopio> veebers: yes. I think it's ok. In the future we might need to add a flickable_class argument, so the method supports flickables that are not of type QQuickFlickable.
[06:25] <elopio> veebers: 1176	+            return self.select_single(AppHeader, objectName='MainView_Header')
[06:25] <elopio> with this, there are some apps that have a header that's not AppHeader. I think your change is good, as the correct thing to do is to overwrite the method
[06:26] <elopio> but you might have to update some tests in some apps.
[06:27] <elopio> veebers: this I don't understand:
[06:27] <elopio> 1222	+    def setUp(self, mainview_class=MainView):
[06:27] <elopio> how can you call a setUp with an argument?
[06:28] <elopio> ah, you are calling it from super().
[06:28] <veebers> elopio: like: super().setUp(MyArg)?
[06:29] <veebers> :-)
[06:29] <elopio> that's weird, because then you are not able to run a test that doesn't overwrite the setUp.
[06:29] <elopio> generally, I set that kind of arguments as class or instance variables.
[06:31] <elopio> veebers: this looks good. I think it will take some time for me to get used to this new style, but it's a lot clearer.
[06:31] <veebers> elopio: hmm, you could have a point there. I think I originally had it as a class var, that can be changed (haven't had it properly reviewed yet :-))
[06:32] <veebers> elopio: yeah there will need to be a large mind shift as things work _really_ differently to what they used to
[06:32] <veebers> I hope it's for the better, but I'm looking to minimise that impact and get some feedback from devs about it. Its not going to be released overnight :-\
[06:33] <elopio> veebers: if you get the whole toolkit suite to work with small changes like this, you are definitely on the right track.
[06:34] <elopio> veebers: kalikiana and timp will be able to give you some useful feedback too.
[06:35] <veebers> elopio: awesome thanks! I'll get the toolkit suite finished (see if it throws me any curve balls) and get the autopilot documentation up to spec to (i.e. porting guide)
[06:35] <elopio> veebers: ok, thanks for this.
[06:35] <veebers> I'm glad I picked the toolkit, I had been toying with the idea of from_proxy_object, and now I think it's a good idea, esp in the context of what it's doing in the toolkit tests
[06:35] <veebers> elopio: nw, thanks for taking the time for looking at it, I know it's not your thing anymore and you have other things to take care of
[06:36] <elopio> veebers: np, I still care about this. And it didn't take a long time, you have it all pretty much solved.
[06:37] <veebers> elopio: sweet, right I need to get dinner before my partner kills me ^_^
[06:37] <elopio> and I need to get some sleep.
[06:37] <elopio> see you tomorrow.
[06:37] <veebers>  sleep well elopio o/
[13:23] <oSoMoN> can someone who works on autopilot please confirm https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465667 ?
[14:07] <brendand> oSoMoN, you may have to use testtools.skipIf
[14:07] <brendand> oSoMoN, at least that seems to wfm
[14:09] <balloons> unittest should support it: https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.html#skipping-tests-and-expected-failures
[14:10] <oSoMoN> yeah, that’s what I thought too
[14:10] <balloons> but oSoMoN I do seem to remember having the same trouble
[14:11] <brendand> balloons, it might be a bug in testtools, it's not exactly polite in its interaction with unittest
[14:13] <balloons> brendand, a nice way to say it.. polite :-)
[19:57] <dkessel> boo!
[20:47] <balloons> dkessel, you scared me!
[20:47] <balloons> :-)
[20:59] <balloons> howdy svij
[21:01] <dkessel> One hour later? Don't think so balloons ;)
[21:02] <balloons> dkessel, hah
[22:35] <balloons> svij, for whenever you read this, I made the updates to calc you needed. There's helpers now so you should be able to finish your test. Pull trunk


[03:59] <Disturbed1> hello
[18:35] <fisch246> just to clarify... this is the room that the "UDW" event will be taking place in?
[18:36] <pleia2> yep
[18:39] <fisch246> k thanks


[00:00] <hadi> cp: cannot stat `/etc/apt/sourc.list': No such file or directory
[00:00] <sterNiX> hadi‚ò£ bezann file /etc/apt/sourc.list
[00:01] <hadi> http://pastebin.com/jG8zSLVC
[00:02] <Isolated> hadi‚òø source.list *
[00:02] <sterNiX> hadi‚ò£ sorry eshtebahaz mn bood
[00:02] <Isolated> hadi‚òø tooye dastoor ye e kam hast
[00:02] <hadi> bazam hamono dad
[00:02] <Isolated> hadi‚òø sudo cp /etc/apt/source.list /etc/apt/source.list~
[00:03] <hadi> haji bazam hamon
[00:03] <hadi> FUCK in dige che maskhare bazi hast in ubuntu dar miare akhe
[00:03] <sterNiX> hadi‚ò£
[00:03] <sterNiX> farda biya
[00:03] <sterNiX> teamvier ro begi nasb kon
[00:04] <sterNiX> az inja vasat dorstesh konam
[00:04] <hadi> daram team ro
[00:04] <hadi> user pass bedam team ro ?
[00:05] <sterNiX> hadi‚ò£ alan na
[00:05] <sterNiX> khabam miyad kheili
[00:05] <hadi> :( bashe
[00:05] <Isolated> sterNiX‚òø shabet bekheyr
[00:05] <hamedmemar> sterNiX: faghat hamin 1 lahze
[00:05] <sterNiX> shabet khosh Isolated
[00:05] <sterNiX> hamedmemar‚ò£ jun?
[00:05] <hamedmemar> sterNiX: tanzime ip tor to fire fox chie
[00:06] <sterNiX> <IP_ADDRESS> port 9999 engar
[00:06] <hamedmemar> <IP_ADDRESS> :8118 ?
[00:06] <hamedmemar> mr30000000000000
[00:06] <hadi> agha ye soal
[00:06] <sterNiX> 9050
[00:06] <Isolated> sterNiX‚òø fekr konam 9108 ya 9105 bood :-/
[00:06] <Isolated> are 9050
[00:06] <hadi> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied in chetori acceess bedam ?
[00:06] <hamedmemar> shabeton khosh linuxton pabarja
[00:06] <Isolated> hadi‚òø goftam ke ba root bayad beri
[00:07] <sterNiX> hadi‚ò£ ba sudo
[00:07] <hadi> ba su root raftam dige
[00:07] <hamedmemar> :-[
[00:07] <hadi> ba su root raftam to terminal khob :(
[00:08] <sterNiX> hadi‚ò£ bezar farda alan gijam
[00:08] <hadi> :D ok
[00:09] <Isolated> sterNiX‚òø boro bekhaaab , shabet bekheyr , khoob bekhabi
[00:09] <sterNiX> shab khosh Isolated
[00:09] <Isolated> hadi‚òø bebin yeki yeki karaeii ke migam ro anjam bede bashe !!!!
[00:09] <hamedmemar> hich kodaom dorost nabod!!!
[00:09] <hadi> chASHM
[00:10] <Isolated> hamedmemar‚òø 9050
[00:10] <Isolated> hadi‚òø awal terminalo baz kon baadesh bezan su baadesh password ro bede
[00:10] <Isolated> hadi‚òø ok ?
[00:10] <hadi> su: Authentication failure
[00:11] <Isolated> hadi‚òø ino bezan ... sudo su -
[00:11] <hadi> ok
[00:11] <hadi> khob
[00:11] <Isolated> hadi‚òø aalaan ba root hasti , doroste ?
[00:11] <hadi> bale ba su root
[00:12] <Isolated> hadi‚òø halaaa bezan nautilus
[00:13] <hadi> khob baz shod panjare
[00:13] <hamedmemar> Isolated:  azizam ino mige :It appears you have configured your web browser to use Tor as an HTTP proxy. This is not correct: Tor is a SOCKS proxy, not an HTTP proxy. Please configure your client accordingly.
[00:13] <hamedmemar> Isolated: ozr mikham bad moghe miporsam
[00:14] <Isolated> hamedmemar‚òø sorry , ye lahze
[00:15] <Isolated> hadi‚òø ye kari kon , ino too terminal bezan ... hamoon root ke raftii ... gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[00:15] <Isolated> hadi‚òø har moghe text editor baz shod begoo
[00:15] <hadi> baz shod
[00:16] <Isolated> hadi‚òø text editor baz shod , dorsote ?
[00:16] <hadi> bale azizam
[00:16] <Isolated> hadi‚òø toosh koli newehste mibini , doroste ???
[00:17] <Isolated> mesle hamoni ke gozoshtii too pastebin
[00:17] <Isolated> are ?
[00:17] <hadi> na khaliye
[00:17] <hadi> khaliye khaliye
[00:18] <Isolated> hadi‚òø sorry ye harf kam gozoshtam ... text editor ro beband , ino bezan too hamoon root ...  gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:18] <Isolated> hadi‚òø s * nazashte boodam
[00:18] <hadi> ahan alan baz shod koli neveshte toshe
[00:19] <Isolated> hadi‚òø khob halaa in linko baz kon => http://pastebin.com/ArmTjN6E
[00:19] <Isolated> baadesh az hamash ye copy begir
[00:19] <hadi> copy kardam onja hamaro delet konam paste konam save konam ?
[00:20] <Isolated> hadi‚òø are
[00:20] <hadi> ok hala update bezanam?
[00:20] <Isolated> hadi‚òø are
[00:20] <Isolated> hamedmemar‚òø ff ro roo halate socks bezar na HTTP
[00:20] <hadi> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[00:21] <Isolated> hadi‚òø in warninnge
[00:21] <hadi> pas che konim ? :-?
[00:21] <Isolated> hadi‚òø mage update nakard ?
[00:22] <hadi> kard vali inja error dad
[00:22] <hadi> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_partner_binary-i386_Packages) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[00:22] <Isolated> hadi‚òø waysa duplacate darii , alan bet migam
[00:22] <Isolated> waysaaa
[00:22] <hadi> bashe
[00:22] <hamedmemar> Isolated: doret begardam mr30 azizam : man taze karam bebakhsh : dorost shod :-*
[00:23] <Isolated> hamedmemar‚òø khahesh mikonam
[00:23] <Isolated> hamedmemar‚òø khosh'halam ke toonestam komaki karde basham
[00:25] <Isolated> hadi‚òø update kard ?? motmaeni ke update shod ?
[00:25] <hadi> w8 pastebin  bedam
[00:26] <hadi> http://pastebin.com/VwNCTv9Y
[00:26] <hadi> bia
[00:27] <Isolated> hadi‚òø ok halaaa dastoore nasbe libxssl ro bede
[00:27] <hadi> bashe
[00:27] <hadi> bazam hamon asho hamon kase :|
[00:28] <hadi> agha man in laptop ro 2 tike konam az vasat aslan rahat shim? :|
[00:28] <Isolated> waysaaa
[00:31] <Isolated> hadi‚òø 32 bit ?
[00:31] <hadi> fek konam
[00:32] <hadi> az koja bedonam 32 hast ya 64?
[00:34] <Isolated> hadi‚òø http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/i386/libxss1/download
[00:36] <hadi_> sry dada
[00:36] <hadi_> kodomo bezanam dl ?
[00:36] <Isolated> hadi_‚òø http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/main/libx/libxss/libxss1_1.2.1-2_i386.deb
[00:37] <hadi_> ok alan dl shod to downloads chetori nasbesh konam ?
[00:38] <Isolated> hadi_‚òø halaaa terminalo baz kon , bezan cd /home/hadi/Downloads
[00:41] <Isolated> hadi_‚òø chikar kardi ?
[00:42] <hadi> aziz net ghat shod
[00:42] <hadi> on file dl shod to downloads
[00:43] <hadi> chetori nasbesh konam?
[00:43] <Isolated> hadi‚òø halaaa terminalo baz kon , bezan cd /home/hadi/Downloads
[00:46] <hadi> zadam
[00:47] <Isolated> baadesh bezan sudo dpkg -i libxss1_1.2.1-2_i386.deb
[00:47] <hadi> ok shod
[00:48] <Isolated> hadi‚òø halaaa bebin mitooni pidgin nasb koni
[00:49] <hadi> pidgin na
[00:49] <hadi> vali skype zadam
[00:49] <hadi> dare dl mikone
[00:49] <Isolated> hadi‚òø ok pas dorost shod
[00:50] <Isolated> hadi‚òø alaan mitooni source listo edit koni
[00:50] <hadi> chejori yani?
[00:51] <Isolated> waysaaa
[00:52] <Isolated> skype ro gereft ?
[00:52] <hadi> are nasb shod zadam baz ham shod
[00:52] <Isolated> hadi‚òø khob moshkelet hal shod :)
[00:52] <hadi> E: Package 'pidgin' has no installation candidate
[00:52] <hadi> pas in chi mige? :D
[00:52] <Isolated> hadi update kon awal baadesh bezan
[00:53] <hadi> chashm
[00:53] <hadi> nashod baz :P
[00:54] <Isolated> software centereto baz kono pidgin ro search kon
[00:54] <hadi> az hamonja nasb kardam erroresh ine
[00:54] <hadi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  pidgin-otr: Depends: libotr2 (>= 3.2.0) but it is not going to be installed             Depends: pidgin (< 1:3.0) but it is not going to be installed             Depends: pidgin (>= 1:2.6) but it is not going to be installed
[00:55] <Isolated> hadi‚òø source.listet az awal moshkel dasht waysaaaa ye lahze
[00:55] <hadi> chahsm
[00:59] <Isolated> hadi‚òø yadete sources.list ro chejoori copy / past kardi ?
[01:01] <hadi> are vali dastoresh ke beram bazesh konam yadam nis chon DC shodam hamash parid
[01:01] <Isolated> ok hadi , ye terminal baz kon
[01:01] <hadi> baze
[01:01] <Isolated> baadesh bezan sudo su -
[01:01] <hadi> zadam
[01:02] <Isolated> baadesh bezan gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , baadesh in linko bebin http://pastebin.com/9jMJ3d9m copy/past kon baadesh update
[01:04] <hadi> ok kardam hamontori ke gofti
[01:04] <hadi> vali
[01:04] <hadi> bade update
[01:04] <hadi> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_partner_binary-i386_Packages) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:05] <Isolated> waysa hadi
[01:05] <hadi> chashm
[01:08] <hadi> dada man daraam mimiram az bikhabi :(
[01:09] <Isolated> hadi‚òø boro bekhaaab
[01:09] <hadi> farda yadet mimone biam baz edaame bedim? :(
[01:09] <Isolated> hadi‚òø are yadam hast
[01:10] <hadi> merci babate zahmati ke keshidi merci az tahamolet
[01:10] <Isolated> hadi‚òø kari nakardam :) khosh'halam ke hadeaghal nesfe moshkelet hal shod
[01:11] <hadi> merci azizam felan shabet khosho por setare
[01:11] <Isolated> hadi‚òø shab khosh
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[10:37]  * Isolated brb


[00:17] <thumper> wgrant: here is my review pedantry: doctests should have four spaces before >>>
[00:18] <wgrant> thumper: But existing code has 2, 3 or 4. I am never sure whether to go with consistency, fix it, or be inconsistent.
[00:18] <wgrant> Which should I choose?
[00:19] <thumper> fix the test
[00:19] <wgrant> OK, will do so in future.
[00:19] <thumper> thansk
[00:19] <thumper> I'm sure we have this documented somewhere
[00:23] <thumper> wgrant: if I'm using launchpadlib to load something
[00:23] <thumper> wgrant: what is the base url I give it?
[00:24] <wgrant> thumper: In a test, or in the real world?
[00:24] <thumper> QAing against edge
[00:24] <wgrant> https://api.edge.launchpad.net/$VERSION/
[00:24] <wgrant> Or you pester people to fix the bug.
[00:24] <wgrant> Bug 524775
[00:25] <mup> Bug #524775: Launchpad.load doesn't like relative urls <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <launchpadlib :Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/524775>
[00:25] <thumper> :)
[00:25] <thumper> what version should I be using? 1.0?
[00:25] <wgrant> 1.0 shouldn't have any new APIs, although it does.
[00:25] <wgrant> Use devel.
[00:25] <lifeless> I gotta say, isn't my hack correct?
[00:25] <lifeless> so fixing == write a test to confirm?
[01:55]  * mwhudson afk briefly to post a letter
[02:27] <Ursinha_> how do you suggest testing scripts that use launchpadlib?
[02:33] <lifeless> Ursinha_: by prayer
[02:33] <Ursinha_> lol
[02:37] <Ursinha_> lifeless, that was my fear
[02:38] <wgrant> Maybe someone needs to write some infrastructure to do it.
[02:39] <wgrant> What with LP being open source and all, there's no reason it can't be done.
[02:39] <lifeless> the challenge is that launchpadlib is all dynamic
[02:39] <wgrant> Hm?
[02:40] <lifeless> Ursinha_: there are two basic things; 'are you using launchpadlib as it expects to be used' and 'does your code do what you wanted it to, still'
[02:40] <lifeless> Ursinha_: the latter, you can use mocks for fairly effectively, if you like mocks.
[02:40] <lifeless> the former, you cannot ever really test without using live launchpad, because it can change without warning.
[02:40] <wgrant> There's no reason we can't have an easy way to write launchpadlib script tests that run against a local LP instance.
[02:41] <lifeless> wgrant: indeed, but that will be heinously slow
[02:41] <Ursinha_> lifeless, I'm considering using mocks for the second, but I was wondering if it was possible to test the former
[02:41] <wgrant> lifeless: Better than having dodgy tests.
[02:41] <wgrant> (slightly)
[02:42] <lifeless> I'd consider using the same introspection launchpadlib does - compiling the wadl - to compile a set of fake objects
[02:42] <lifeless> be nontrivial to do
[02:42] <lifeless> wgrant: many of my projects complete their *entire* test suite in the time it takes to start up launchpad.
[02:42] <lifeless> bzr is the notable exception.
[02:43] <lifeless> Ursinha_: pragmatically, today, I'd have a suite of non-default tests that talks to staging
[02:43] <lifeless> and mock everything else.
[02:43] <Ursinha_> lifeless, hm, right
[03:59] <mwhudson> grunk, one ec2 test run stalled
[04:00] <mwhudson> and two which have failed in lp.code.model.tests.test_diff.TestDiffInScripts.test_fromFile_withError
[04:01] <mwhudson> for a grand total of 0 out of 3
[04:01] <mwhudson> wgrant: it's yours which has hung in ec2 fwiw
[04:02] <mwhudson> ~wgrant/launchpad/delete-more-stuff
[05:01]  * mwhudson shoves wgrant's branch back into lp
[05:01] <mwhudson> ec2 rather
[05:21] <wgrant> mwhudson: EC2 seems to really love my branches at the moment.
[05:21] <wgrant> One that you landed earlier took three attempts, the other one two, this one at least two...
[05:22] <mwhudson> it seems to be getting worse indeed
[05:48]  * thumper is sad that staging hasn't updated yet
[05:48] <thumper> given my late night hacking last night
[05:49]  * thumper EODs
[05:50] <wgrant> staging's been updating for more than 24 hours now... it must be almost done.
[05:58] <spm> wgrant: you optimist you
[05:58] <wgrant> I mean, it's not dogfood.
[06:19] <stub> Is someone loadtesting against login.staging.launchpad.net?
[07:29] <adeuring> good morning
[08:25] <stub> Do we have anything available to parse an ISO8601 timestamp into a Python datetime?
[08:39] <mrevell> Morning all
[08:52] <jml> As a great man once said
[08:52] <jml> Hello, world!
[08:53] <jml> stub: you mean YYYY-MM-DD HH:mm:SS?
[08:53] <jml> stub: I think so
[09:10] <wgrant> The size of the diff (16938 lines) is larger than your specified limit of 1000 lines
[09:10] <wgrant> What?
[09:12] <jelmer> wgrant: when do you get that?
[09:13] <wgrant> db-devel r9315
[09:13] <wgrant> Which doesn't seem like it should be so absolutely gigantic.
[09:15] <wgrant> Hmm.
[09:16] <wgrant> The sampledata ordering is all different.
[09:16] <wgrant> But I thought the script ordered it sanely!
[10:02] <jtv> allenap: I think I'm probably hitting the same segfault you are
[10:03] <jtv> No output from EC2, and running locally with output redirection loses the critical tail of the output.
[10:03] <allenap> jtv: That sounds similar.
[10:03] <wgrant> I've had five instances disappear in the last week.
[10:04] <allenap> jtv: The way I confirmed it is to pdb.set_trace() in spawn_layer_in_subprocess() to get the exact command line args for the sub-process, then run that from the command line.
[10:05] <jtv> allenap: do you know what test(s) it happens in?
[10:05] <allenap> jtv: I triggered the segfault in my branch; it was from new code. I don't know about existing code.
[10:07] <jtv> allenap: strange...
[10:28] <jtv> allenap: running some local "make check"s to see where the problem happens
[10:34] <stub> jml: Yer, but I'm using an interval now so no worries. Closest I found was the datetime type I added to the OptionParser that knew about various formats, which we could factor out one day.
[10:56] <jml> hello
[10:57] <mwhudson> jml: good morning
[10:58] <jml> mwhudson, hi
[10:58] <jml> mwhudson, I cannot help but notice that you are here
[10:59] <mwhudson> jml: emma and i are sitting on the sofa, a laptop on our laps each
[10:59] <mwhudson> it's very sad :)
[10:59] <jml> ahh, the married life
[10:59] <ajmitch> heh
[11:00] <jml> I just got back from over an hour of internet downtime because the phone rang and the router was physically inaccessible for rebooting
[11:00] <jml> mwhudson: how's the hosted/mirror thing panning out?
[11:01] <mwhudson> jml: staging is terrible
[11:01] <mwhudson> jml: it might update soon
[11:01] <mwhudson> jml: but it's landed and, uh, i haven't found any problems with it yet
[11:02] <jml> mwhudson: it's pretty exciting
[11:02] <mwhudson> jml: yeah, i'd hoped for more than 1 day to qa it
[11:02] <mwhudson> i hope i don't find too many problems ...
[11:02] <jml> mwhudson: and a strong testament to avoiding bduf
[11:02] <mwhudson> jml: bduf?
[11:03] <jml> mwhudson: big design up front
[11:03] <mwhudson> jml: yes
[12:15] <jml> sinzui, bac, EdwinGrubbs: does this look like a fairly complete list of features? https://dev.launchpad.net/FeatureChecklist/Registry
[12:22] <jtv> allenap: about the problem you ran into... any idea what caused the bad data to be fed to storm?
[13:18] <jtv> PQM just cleaned out all of a sudden... did we go into testfix?
[13:19] <allenap> jtv: User error :)
[13:20] <jtv> allenap: do I need to resubmit?
[13:20] <allenap> jtv: No, that was the answer to your earlier question.
[13:20] <jtv> Ah
[13:21] <jtv> Well, we do have a failed compile...  I'm having a look
[13:27] <jtv> bigjools: I think your fix fell out of PQM somehow
[13:28] <jtv> PQM> Conflicts during merge: Text conflict in utilities/sourcedeps.conf
[13:35] <jtv> flacoste: did your sourcedeps.conf update for loggerhead get caught in a stable/db-devel merge conflict?
[13:39] <didrocks> jml: you are coming to RMLL in France? :)
[13:39] <jml> didrocks: I think I'm speaking at it
[13:39] <jml> didrocks: but I've been a bit lazy w/ my submission
[13:39] <didrocks> jml: well, I see we have a conference the same day ;)
[13:41] <jml> didrocks: does it clash w/ something at Canonical?
[13:42] <didrocks> jml: oh no, I'm going there on holidays, giving two conferences (bughugger and quickly) and being at ubuntu-fr booth
[13:44] <didrocks> well, if I say that I'm going there "for" bughugger, maybe rick will accept that I don't go there only for holidays ;)
[14:03] <wgrant> bigjools: Um, won't PPA deletion not work until 10.04 is on germanium?
[14:03]  * bigjools taps side of nose sagely
[14:03] <wgrant> Heh.
[14:03] <bigjools> I cherrypicked the backend
[14:03] <wgrant> Ah.
[14:03] <wgrant> Handy.
[14:04] <bigjools> gives a few days of edge fun
[14:04] <deryck> BjornT, ping
[14:05] <bigjools> wgrant: btw did you manage to QA any of your stuff this cycle?
[14:05] <wgrant> bigjools: 'fraid not. Far too much uni assessment this week... but it's all over now, so I'll organise that tomorrow.
[14:06] <bigjools> wgrant: no worries, I'm going to start hitting the QA trail of doom this arvo
[14:07] <BjornT> hi deryck
[14:12] <jml> didrocks, ahh cool
[14:12] <jml> didrocks, I wonder how much French I can learn between now and then.
[14:12] <didrocks> jml: we can train you at UDS ;)
[14:14] <jml> didrocks, je parle francais comme un vache espagnole
[14:15] <didrocks> jml: that's a typical French expression, it's perfect. Sure you can even order food with that :)
[14:15] <jml> haha
[14:17] <bigjools> jml: mais, ou sont les baggages!
[14:24] <didrocks> bigjools: I hope jml won't need that sentence ;)
[14:25] <bigjools> didrocks: oui!
[14:26] <bigjools> Ma grandmere est flambée!
[14:27]  * jml chuckles
[14:27] <didrocks> hum, "une crêpe" can be "flambée", you don't tell that for your "grand mère" ;)
[14:27] <bigjools> You could learn more if you watch Eddie Izzard's videos :)
[14:30] <sinzui> :)
[14:31] <sinzui> bigjools, didrocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1sQkEfAdfY
[14:31] <didrocks> let me have a look :)
[14:35] <didrocks> "room #42" ;)
[14:36] <didrocks> we have the same in French with "where is my umbrella?" and "where is Brian?" :)
[14:39] <bigjools> heh
[14:39] <bigjools> ou est la plume de ma tante?
[14:40] <didrocks> yeah, that's funny :)
[15:13] <flacoste> mthaddon: what happened to staging restore?
[15:14] <mthaddon> hmm, has been creating the slave since 2010-04-28 18:23:11
[16:18] <barry> leonardr, gary_poster i can't remember where i posted about this but i use a fake datetime factory that allows me to produce predictable dates when in testing mode.  maybe something like that is useful?  (it's in the mailman 3 source code if you want to look)
[16:19] <leonardr> barry: is this your way of telling me you've discovered a horrible date-related test failure? :)
[16:19] <gary_poster> on call but sounds interesting barry
[16:19] <barry> leonardr: no, just a clever way to mock datetimes so you can do fun stuff like fast-forwards and stuff
[16:19] <leonardr> ah, cool
[16:20] <leonardr> i can think of a place where that would be useful, actually
[16:20]  * barry searches for a link
[16:21] <barry> leonardr: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/annotate/head%3A/src/mailman/utilities/datetime.py
[16:21] <Ursinha> Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, danilos, sinzui, allenap: production meeting on #launchpad-meeting @ Freenode in 40 minutes
[16:21] <leonardr> barry: thanks
[16:22] <bigjools> Ursinha: let;s talk about bots
[16:22] <Ursinha> bigjools, no, you ignored me the whole week :P
[16:22] <bigjools> Ursinha: did not!
[16:24] <Ursinha> bigjools, can we discuss that after the meeting? I'm kinda preparing for that now :)
[16:24] <bigjools> Ursinha: it'll be too late after the meeting, unless you make it a quick meeting ;)
[16:27] <Ursinha> bigjools, you should have answered when I first pinged you about it :P
[16:27] <Ursinha> bigjools, we can talk about that tomorrow, is that ok for you?
[16:27] <bigjools> Ursinha: I'm pretty sure I did, but you ignored me :)
[16:27] <bigjools> anyway, yes, what time?
[16:28] <Ursinha> 1h30 earlier than now? :)
[16:28] <bigjools> Ursinha: it's a date
[16:29] <Chex> Ursinha: thank you for reminder
[16:29] <Ursinha> Chex, no problem :)
[16:32]  * bigjools cries at an extra Popen in a test in wgrant's branch
[16:33] <wgrant> Is there a better way to test scripts like that?
[16:35] <Ursinha> hm, just saw sinzui's email, EdwinGrubbs, are you able to attend the prod. meeting?
[16:36] <EdwinGrubbs> Ursinha: yes, is it a conference call or on irc?
[16:36] <Ursinha> EdwinGrubbs, on irc, #launchpad-meeting
[16:37] <Ursinha> EdwinGrubbs, thanks :)
[16:38] <mars> jml, just looking at the nifty datetime factory barry created above.  twisted and bzr have some nifty stuff too.  Thought you might know: is there a central resource for all these cool python testing power tools?
[16:39] <jml> mars, launchpad.net/pyunit-friends
[16:39] <mars> jml, thanks!
[16:39] <jml> mars, and the lp:testtools project specifically.
[16:40] <jml> barry, mars, what's the point of using that rather than just passing in 'now' as an optional parameter?
[16:40] <barry> mars, jml maybe even the testing-in-python mailing list
[16:41] <jml> oh yeah
[16:41] <jml> definitely t-i-p
[16:41] <barry> jml: cleaner apis :)
[16:41] <jml> barry, because now they take a mandatory date factory?
[16:42] <barry> jml: no, nothing takes a factory.  any code that needs a datetime imports the factory and uses that to create it instead of datetime.datetime.now()
[16:42] <jml> :(
[16:42] <jml> barry, using mutable globals isn't cleaner
[16:43] <jml> although I'm willing to admit it's a matter of taste
[16:43] <barry> jml: neither is passing now arguments up and down a call stack.  i'm not saying it's pretty but it's a trade-off.  one i like only slightly more
[16:43] <jml> I really like functions and parameters.
[16:44] <barry> jml: eibti
[16:44] <jml> yeah, that's what I mean
[16:45] <Ursinha> Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, danilos, EdwinGrubbs, allenap: production meeting on #launchpad-meeting @ Freenode in 15 minutes
[16:45] <barry> i get that.  not (totally ;) disagreeing with you.  still, it's better than monkeypatching datetime :)
[16:45] <jml> barry, yes, it's better than monkey patching datetime
[16:49] <gary_poster> Ursinha: I've asked matsubara-lunch to stand in for me
[16:49] <gary_poster> matsubara-lunch: that's your confirmation ;-)
[16:49] <Ursinha> gary_poster, sure, thanks for the info
[16:49] <gary_poster> thank you
[17:00] <Ursinha> Chex, matsubara, rockstar, bigjools, danilos, EdwinGrubbs, allenap: production meeting on #launchpad-meeting @ Freenode now :)
[17:00] <danilos> Ursinha, thanks
[17:25] <cody-somerville> I'm getting lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable when I try to ec2 land my branch.
[17:25] <cody-somerville> weird. I'm getting the launchpad offline page in response to whatever ec2 land is trying to fetch from launchpad.
[17:26]  * cody-somerville tries again.
[17:30] <leonardr> bac, gary: bug 569189 cause has been revealed
[17:30] <mup> Bug #569189: Authenticated users in launchpadlib tests have no permissions <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/569189>
[17:31]  * bac awaits answer with suspense
[17:33] <leonardr> bac: sorry, there was an implicit 'check out the bug'
[17:33] <bac> did
[17:33] <bac> thanks
[17:34] <leonardr> bac: as a workaround, you could grant your user WRITE_PRIVATE access. that should make the test work
[17:34] <bac> ok, i'll try that.  thanks
[18:20] <gary_poster> bac, leonardr I'm inclined to mark https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/569189 as Invalid on the basis of Leonard's evaluation.  Alternatively, we could convert it into a bug for the code team, to change their permissions somehow or other, but my preference is for Invalid (again, unless I misunderstand).
[18:20] <mup> Bug #569189: Authenticated users in launchpadlib tests have no permissions <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/569189>
[18:21] <leonardr> gary: mark it invalid, but let's also let the code team know about it so they can fix it if they want
[18:21] <gary_poster> leonardr: ok will do
[18:37] <jml> gn'ight all
[18:55] <leonardr> barry, do you have a minute to see whether i'm crazy?
[18:55] <leonardr> i need someone to branch lp:~leonardr/lazr.restfulclient/delete-entry, buildout, run the tests, and tell me if you get any failures
[19:03] <EdwinGrubbs> Ursinha: can you send me the distributionmirror-prober error message?
[19:04] <Ursinha> EdwinGrubbs, it's in the script-failures mailing list
[19:04] <Ursinha> EdwinGrubbs, just a moment
[19:13] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, Ursinha there was no error. It is running late.
[19:13] <Ursinha> sinzui, this explains why I'm not finding the email on the lp-error-reports list
[20:46] <lifeless> mmmm bacon
[20:46] <lifeless> thumper: so, shall we chat ?
[20:58] <mwhudson> staging is down :(
[20:58] <mwhudson> why?
[21:19] <mwhudson> losa ping
[21:23] <lifeless> thumper: ping
[21:32] <Chex> mwhudson: hi there
[21:32] <mwhudson> Chex: what's up with staging?
[21:40] <lifeless> thumper: ping
[21:48] <mwhudson> lifeless: he's probably doing the school/kindy run now
[21:49] <lifeless> mwhudson: isn't that 'load catapult(); fire();' ?
[22:03] <thumper> lifeless: the foundations behind my problem with using queued too much right now is that there isn't the correct security checks around it
[22:03] <thumper> lifeless: I really want to split out the reviewed_status from the queued_status
[22:03] <thumper> lifeless: with your current branch, anyone could take something from needs review to merge failed
[22:03] <thumper> lifeless: from there they could queue it
[22:03] <thumper> bypassing the approval
[22:07] <lifeless> thumper: I don't think thats true. I'll add a test to prove it happily.
[22:07] <thumper> lifeless: it is true
[22:07] <thumper> lifeless: setStatus(merge_failed) has no checks other than launchpad.edit
[22:07] <thumper> lifeless: which the proposer has
[22:08] <thumper> lifeless: and the source branch owner
[22:08] <thumper> we really need to split out the reviewed status
[22:09] <thumper> I don't think it is too much work (fingers crossed)
[22:09] <thumper> lots of fiddly bits though
[22:10] <thumper> I think what I want to do is to remove all the special case set status methods
[22:11] <thumper> and have two new ones: setReviewStatus and setQueueStatus
[22:13] <lifeless> thumper: there is a check that only official reviewers can queue things
[22:13] <thumper> lifeless: or if it has been approved
[22:13] <lifeless> right
[22:14]  * lifeless digs up the patch, vm starting
[22:15] <cody-somerville> Is anyone else getting ImportError: No module named tickcount on make?
[22:15] <lifeless> thumper: so, I don't want to increase the scope right now; happy to participate in optional cleanups.
[22:15] <lifeless> thumper: your primary concern is 'non reviewers should not be allowed to set merge failed', right ?
[22:15] <thumper> lifeless: that's good enough for now
[22:15] <thumper> lifeless: I'd like to get this fixed soon
[22:15] <lifeless> because merge failed permits toggling back to queued
[22:15] <thumper> right
[22:17] <lifeless> ok, my patch enforces that
[22:17] <lifeless>      elif (next_state in (code_approved, queued) and
[22:17] <lifeless> -          from_state not in (code_approved, queued)
[22:17] <lifeless> +          from_state not in (code_approved, queued, merge_failed)
[22:17] <lifeless> in the existing state machine transition check
[22:18] <lifeless> first hunk in lib/lp/code/model/branchmergeproposal.py
[22:19] <lifeless> thumper: ^
[22:19] <lifeless> I'll triple check though
[22:20] <lifeless> ok, its not quite right; adding test and fixing.
[22:21] <thumper> ah, missed that
[22:27] <lifeless> is it fair to say the branch owner is an implicit reviewer ?
[22:28] <lifeless> thumper: ^
[22:29] <thumper> target branch owner should be
[22:29] <lifeless> yes
[22:29] <lifeless> just checking my language
[22:36] <thumper> lifeless: you should be aware that we are likely to break the way that PQM deals with queued proposals
[22:36] <thumper> lifeless: in the changes we want to do
[22:36] <lifeless> keep me in the loop, I'll update as needed
[22:37] <lifeless> what sort of damage do you have in mind ?
[22:39] <thumper> api breaks most likely
[22:44] <lifeless> thumper: I have a small question about the tests
[22:44] <lifeless> assertAllTransitionsGood - that seems to test with a non reviewer
[22:45] <thumper> sounds right
[22:45] <lifeless> but
[22:46] <lifeless> (checking stuff)
[22:46] <thumper> lifeless: this isn't paged in right now, and I'm on a call, and about to run out to an appointment
[22:48] <lifeless> sure
[22:48] <lifeless> anyhow, I think the existing tests were making an odd claim - that any user can switch wip to any state
[23:33] <lifeless> thumper: I have fixenated and pushed
[23:48] <lifeless> ok -> .au


[16:20] <elopio> Hello! Testing day starts in 2 hours and a half.
[16:21] <elopio> if somebody wants to catch up in the mean time, here's the past session: http://elopio.net/blog/ubuntu-testing-day-wrap-up-20161125/
[19:09] <elopio> https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat
[19:09] <elopio> to clone it:
[19:09] <elopio> sudo apt install git
[19:09] <elopio> git clone https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat
[19:37] <elopio> https://gist.github.com/elopio/7e020a8353bb538c396749f2bda80fff


[05:50] <guiverc> Does anyone have a bug ID for ubuntu-bug (apport) not opening firefox.. ie. gedit opening with detail that belongs in firefox?   (also asked on #ubuntu-bugs)
[05:56] <guiverc> 1951214  (i didn't find one, so created - if you're aware of one, still let me know and I'll dup that)


[03:28] <Guest54925> Can someone help me with a PERL loop?
[04:59] <bluebomber> Gingerbear, what's going on with you?!
[04:59] <bluebomber> quit, joined, quit, joined, quit, joined, etc.
[04:59] <Gingerbear> lol
[05:00] <Gingerbear> was installing new hardware (gfx card, psu, ram)
[05:07] <bluebomber> Did you get it all?!
[05:08] <bluebomber> I want to hear about it tomorrow. Goodnight.
[05:11] <Gingerbear> night
[22:32] <dantalizing> morning


[00:22] <czajkowski> hmm I should go to sleep
[00:29] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how many hours?
[00:34] <czajkowski> 3.5
[00:34] <czajkowski> up at 4 leave by 5
[00:38] <Pendulum> so is there a point in sleeping at this point?
[00:41] <czajkowski> not really
[00:51] <czajkowski> chatting to tc instead
[01:49] <Pendulum> has anyone heard from nigelb in the last 50 minutes or so?
[01:49] <czajkowski> no
[01:49] <czajkowski> why
[01:50] <nigelb> Pendulum: Im awake now :)
[07:04] <jussi> JUst leaving for the airport. see you all in florida
[11:02] <AlanBell> have a good flight all those going to UDS
[11:30] <duaneipho> flight to Dallas got canceled because of a tornado. so now I am going to Orlando through Detroit
[11:31] <duaneipho> a bit out of the way but better then having to wait till  tommorrow
[11:41] <android> o/
[11:42] <android> bout to get on the flight to new york :)
[12:07] <Pendulum> hiya
[12:52] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum
[12:52] <Pendulum> AlanBell: how goes?
[12:53] <AlanBell> not bad, are you flying today?
[12:55] <Pendulum> yes
[12:56] <AlanBell> wish I was :(
[12:57] <AlanBell> hope you have a nice uneventful journey, got someone meeting you at Orlando?
[12:58] <Pendulum> czajkowski and I are theoretically finding each other in the airport
[14:02] <sense> good morning
[14:05] <Pendulum> hi sense
[14:05] <sense> hi Pendulum!
[14:06] <sense> Pendulum: Will you be coming to Orlando?
[14:06] <Pendulum> yep!
[14:06] <sense> great!
[14:06] <Pendulum> arriving this evening
[14:06] <sense> ok
[14:06] <sense> I arrived last evening.
[14:06] <Pendulum> :)
[14:07] <Pendulum> I'm kinda kicking myself for not planning a few days on one side because I love Disney, but I'm excited to be at UDS at all!
[14:07] <sense> yeah
[14:09] <Pendulum> how's the weather?
[14:10] <sense> It's nice, not too hot, but nicely warm.


[12:22] <PingunZ_> hey how can I answer a mail of ubuntu-art so that everyone gets it ?
[12:22] <PingunZ_> cause when I reply I only send it to one person
[11:46] <lapo> hi
[01:43] <PingunZ> hey, can someone tell me how I can answer a ubuntu-art mail ?
[01:43] <PingunZ> cause when I try, I just reply to one person :s
[01:46] <andreasn> hi PingunZ
[01:47] <andreasn> what is your mail client?
[01:47] <PingunZ> hey andreasn
[01:47] <PingunZ> just gmail on firefox
[01:47] <PingunZ> the site itself
[01:47] <PingunZ> I dont use a program for my mails
[01:48] <andreasn> all you need to do is fill out<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the To: -field
[01:48] <andreasn> as far as I know
[01:48] <PingunZ> ok I'll try :)
[01:48] <PingunZ> thanks ;)
[01:49] <PingunZ> btw, Mark Shuttleworth is the ubuntu-founder right ?
[01:50] <andreasn> yeah, he kinds of own canonial
[01:51] <PingunZ> nice :)
[01:52] <andreasn> if he would stay away from graphics design, yes :)
[01:52] <andreasn> nah, now I'm just trolling ;)
[01:52] <PingunZ> hehe :)
[01:54] <PingunZ> with what can I help ubuntu-art the most ( right now )
[01:54] <PingunZ> just not icons, I hate icons :p
[01:55] <andreasn> PingunZ: I don't know about ubuntu-art, as I'm mostly just lurking here and can't keep up with the mailing list any longer
[01:56] <andreasn> but we need a nice image for gnome.org for the 2.16 release, if you are interested in that kind of stuff
[01:57] <PingunZ> What exactly do you mean with an image for gnome.org
[01:57] <andreasn> for the front page, a big image to link to the release notes
[01:59] <PingunZ> ok : front page to what ? and release notes of gnome 2.16  ? and what should be on the image ?
[01:59] <PingunZ> I'd like to make that :)
[01:59] <andreasn> the first page on gnome.org
[02:00] <PingunZ> you mean that I can make an image for the index of gnome.org ?
[02:00] <andreasn> yes
[02:00] <andreasn> if you feel like it
[02:00] <PingunZ> O_o
[02:00] <PingunZ> ok :)
[02:01] <andreasn> note that I have no idea how good you are ;)
[02:01] <PingunZ> like this one : http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/bug-hunt-wgo.png ?
[02:01] <andreasn> yes, something like that
[02:01] <PingunZ> cool
[02:01] <PingunZ> but thats not really ubuntu-helpful ..
[02:02] <PingunZ> bah, np I'll make one :)
[02:02] <andreasn> well, considering ubuntu is part of the gnome ecosystem, perhaps it is
[02:02] <PingunZ> :)
[02:02] <andreasn> after all, it's just a distro :)
[02:03] <PingunZ> what I need is : image size, .png ? , what should be on the image ?
[02:03] <andreasn> nah, that was a troll :)
[02:03] <PingunZ> and can I use photoshop ?
[02:03] <andreasn> you can use whatever you want
[02:03] <PingunZ> yay :)
[02:03] <andreasn> as long as you provide me with a nice pic
[02:03] <PingunZ> ok
[02:03] <PingunZ> and the image size ?
[02:04] <andreasn> hold on
[02:04] <PingunZ> k :)
[02:06] <andreasn> 740x300
[02:06] <PingunZ> ok
[02:06] <PingunZ> and  what should I put on the image ?
[02:08] <andreasn> feel free to do whatever you like
[02:08] <PingunZ> but it is for gnome 2.16
[02:08] <PingunZ> ok :)
[02:08] <andreasn> perhaps something you think is THE coolest thing about gnome 2.16
[02:08] <PingunZ> white background ?
[02:08] <andreasn> sure
[02:09] <andreasn> http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/214-splash.png
[02:09] <andreasn> this is what we did for 2.14
[02:10] <PingunZ> ok :)
[02:10] <PingunZ> and I make it all myself ?
[02:11] <andreasn> sure, do whatever you want
[02:11] <PingunZ> ok :)
[02:12] <andreasn> and if it's good we put it up
[02:12] <PingunZ> I'll draw a mockup on a sheet of paper :)
[02:12] <PingunZ> any help for the text, my english isn't really great..
[02:13] <andreasn> pop by #gnome-art or #marketing on gimpnet and I'm sure someone can help you
[02:13] <andreasn> I'm not good with copywriting myself
[02:14] <PingunZ> :)
[02:15] <PingunZ> Ok what do you think about : Simply Powerful
[02:15] <andreasn> sounds good to me :)
[02:15] <PingunZ> ok
[02:16] <PingunZ> I'll make it in photoshop so I can edit it :)
[02:17] <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen/ReleaseNotes
[05:38] <PingunZ> andreasn: you there ?


[16:06] <zxmpi> minor panic attack. pressed power on psion and it didn't turn on. batteries flat. they lasted over 12 months :-)
[16:07] <zxmpi> backup battery kept memory intact
[16:40] <davef> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XlafQ9t2/ohno.gif
[20:35] <daftykins> :D