[15:16] <mcphail> wingnut: does this help the crash files to be generated? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Ubuntu_12.04_and_later
[15:16] <CarlFK> host veyepar.nextdayvideo.com says veyepar.nextdayvideo.com has address <IP_ADDRESS> (good)   ping says 64 bytes from veyepar.nextdayvideo.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)  (not good.  this is the old IP from 12 hours ago)
[15:17] <anotherssa> Hi there!
[15:17] <CarlFK> how do I flush whatever local cache dns is using?
[15:17] <anotherssa> Guys, I need your help
[15:17] <wingnut> mcphail: I was reading that .. I have # out 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package'], and rebooted .. openvpn coredumped again .. but what then ?
[15:18] <mcphail> wingnut: anything in /var/crash now?
[15:18] <wingnut> nothing :(
[15:18] <mcphail> wingnut: I know systemd eats core dumps as well. I wonder if that is happening?
[15:18] <wingnut> maybe systemd is intercepting ?
[15:19] <younder> Most moder systems are set up not to coredump
[15:19] <SeventhSky> hello
[15:20] <wingnut> I'll ask in #systemd thanks fir help :)
[15:20] <anotherssa> While reinstalling Ubuntu 16.04 I got an UEFI error, after that error usb flash driver disaperead from Boot Menu. Please help me.
[15:20] <mcphail> wingnut: try looking in /var/lib/systemd/coredump (if it exists)
[15:21] <mcphail> wingnut: and make sure you have ulimit -c unlimited (or whatever value you are happy with)
[15:21] <somaReverse> Hi, my ubuntu terminal is broken. Alternative screen capability is gone, and colors are cranky
[15:21] <somaReverse> what can I do?
[15:22] <somaReverse> vim, emacs , tmux all behave abnormally
[15:22] <CarlFK> somaReverse: tell us more about "broken"
[15:22] <somaReverse> Alternative screen capability is gone
[15:22] <mordof> anyone have any knowledge on advanced debugging of why dns won't resolve on ubuntu 16.04? i've tried everything i've come across in normal posts - nothing is helping
[15:23] <mordof> at this point all i've got left is to format and reinstall, lol.. i'd really rather not do that if i can avoid it though
[15:23] <SeventhSky> hello ... i have a asus x550v with nvidia and intel...but when i try to boot from usb ther is message nouveau eroe bla bla bla...how to disable nouvau on usb bootable boot?
[15:24] <younder> SeventhSky, Install a nvidia driver from the nvidia webcite
[15:25] <CarlFK> mordof: what does this give you: host goo.gl
[15:25] <younder> SeventhSky, If you have a UEFI intsall though be aware
[15:25] <SeventhSky> younder : cannot boot from usb ...how i can install it ??
[15:25] <younder> SeventhSky, via nthe net
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> younder: thats not a very good avise, ubuntu has already nvidia drivers
[15:25] <SeventhSky> younder : yes UEFI mode a....
[15:26] <younder> noveaux is not a nvidea driver
[15:26] <mordof> CarlFK: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[15:26] <SeventhSky> younder : nouveau is radeon driver... how to disable it on usb boot?
[15:26] <ducasse> younder: nouvau is the open source nvidia driver
[15:26] <younder> you get them form http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[15:26] <somaReverse> CarlFK: this magit window's color are completely gone https://ptpb.pw/D5Hk.jpg
[15:27] <somaReverse> It should look like this https://ptpb.pw/OK-A.jpg
[15:27] <ducasse> SeventhSky: no, don't get them from the nvidia site, do as lotuspsychje says
[15:27] <somaReverse> and tmux stops working anymore
[15:28] <Roy> nouveau is indeed an open-source nvidia driver.
[15:28] <wingnut> younder: mcphail: systemd-coredumpctl .. looking into that now :)
[15:28] <younder> ducasse, and it is shit ise a nvidia driver
[15:28] <SeventhSky> but i cant boot from usb?? with my asus...but i try with my hp laptop with same usb drive...and its work fine...
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> !language | younder
[15:29] <Roy> Why doesn't nouveau work? Isn't it supposed to be easier to use nouveau than to use the official nvidia driver?
[15:29] <ducasse> younder: you are entitled to your opinion, but that's all it is
[15:30] <younder> I use cuda, and quite frankly all noveaux is good for is 2D acceleration for a desktop. For games, forget it
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Roy: in some cases, some cards will need optimus and nvidia drivers version from ubuntu, or ubuntu ppa
[15:30] <mordof> CarlFK: anything else to try by chance?
[15:31] <SeventhSky> anyone can help me please
[15:31] <CarlFK> mordof:  I am gonna say your local dhcp isn't giving you a good dns IP.  what you are using for dhcp and what it is handing out as dns is ... a new problem
[15:31] <younder> I know the nvidia drivers are withot source code, but they are free. So I use them, and so should you. Unless you dont do games or Cuad
[15:32] <younder> cuda
[15:32] <srinivasnayak> anybody who compiles linux kernel here?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | SeventhSky
[15:32] <mordof> CarlFK: i've got <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> specified as my dns servers. i've also tried opendns
[15:32] <SeventhSky> lotuspsychje : sory
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> SeventhSky: try to boot nomodeset, then choose another driver from additional drivers perhaps
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | srinivasnayak
[15:33] <mordof> CarlFK: i can also ping those IP addresses with no issue
[15:33] <ducasse> srinivasnayak: why would you want to do that?
[15:34] <SeventhSky> big thanks ubottu and lotuspsychje...i will try..... :D
[15:35] <srinivasnayak> ducasse: i want to find a smaller subset of huge linux source which actually gets executed for a simpler hardware...say a i386 SBC
[15:35] <dtcrshr> !iommu
[15:35] <_0xdeadface> how can i open a windowed app always in fullscreen?
[15:36] <younder> _0xdeadface, If thae applicatio has suc an option
[15:36] <younder> _0xdeadface, the os can't set this
[15:36] <ducasse> srinivasnayak: the people in ##linux are probably better able to help you
[15:37] <srinivasnayak> :-(
[15:37] <ducasse> _0xdeadface: use devilspie (and gdevilspie if you want a gui to configure it)
[15:39] <ducasse> srinivasnayak: a vanilla kernel will not run on 386 anymore in any case, it was deprecated some time ago iirc
[15:39] <srinivasnayak> yes i know
[15:39] <CarlFK> mordof:  host -v goo.gl <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:39] <srinivasnayak> if we go back to the old kernel version ?
[15:39] <srinivasnayak> say 2.6
[15:39] <CarlFK> mordof: should end with Received 84 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>#53 in 38 ms
[15:39] <srinivasnayak> when 386 was supported...
[15:40] <ducasse> srinivasnayak: then you lose a lot of modern features, but yes. but try ##linux, this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:40] <mordof> CarlFK: yup, that gives me all the information including that at the end
[15:40] <ImUs3r> unbuntu don’t have windows list?
[15:41] <blackflow> Any wikipedia editors in the house? The wikipedia entry on Ubuntu server says ZFS is implemented via FUSE, not as regular kernel module. Surely that's not correct?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#Ubuntu_Server
[15:41] <CarlFK> mordof: "i've got <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> specified as my dns servers" - I am guessing you want that, but you don't.
[15:41] <CarlFK> mordof: "i've got <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> specified as my dns servers" - I am guessing you want that, but you don't have that.
[15:42] <ducasse> blackflow: try #ubuntu-doc, or even better a wikipedia channel. not much we can do.
[15:42] <OerHeks> blackflow, not our job to correct this, try #wikipedia?
[15:42] <mordof> CarlFK: that's what it's stated as in the network manager for my dns records. if that's not reliable, i don't know how else to do it. i also have both of those confirmed as nameservers in my resolv.conf
[15:42] <ImUs3r> when i excute 2 terminal, then how can i select it? unbuntu don’t have windows list? ?
[15:43] <xJeremyCx> Hey guys. I get distortion when playing musics with my headphones. I'm running Ubuntu 16.10
[15:43] <blackflow> ducasse: I'll try #ubuntu-doc, thanks.
[15:43] <CarlFK> mordof: what does "primary dns" say in the "connection information" dialog?
[15:43] <xJeremyCx> This had never happened before. Everything was fine until few days ago
[15:44] <xJeremyCx> I found that the stereo audio is mixed together, outputting a mono audio
[15:45] <xJeremyCx> Is there any way to fix this?
[15:45] <OerHeks> ImUs3r, use alt+tab, when you see the terminal, keep holing alt, then 2 terminals show up, use arrows to select
[15:45] <mordof> CarlFK: i'm on gnome 3 ubuntu 16.04, so the exact wording your using isn't in the panels - but in the network manager it has   "DNS <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>" for the connection
[15:45] <mordof> unless there's another area i should look for that info
[15:45] <Bloom> Hello guys. Im doing a test which contains two picture, one named hackertron.png.gpg which i am supposed to unlock and the other one is named Moscow_watchdog_4.jpeg, so far i found out that there is a password saying "TissotIsTime" inside of the Moscow picture, i also got the information that i need to decrypt the hackertron picture with aes256. Do any of you guys know how i can do that through my linux machine?
[15:45] <mordof> you're*
[15:45] <CarlFK> mordof: are you looking at the settings you can edit, or the current status?
[15:46] <mordof> both say the same
[15:46] <OerHeks> Bloom, is this your homework?
[15:46] <xJeremyCx> when I test my headphones I'm hearing "front left" on both sides
[15:47] <CarlFK> mordof: try using just <IP_ADDRESS>  ...  I am thinking maybe the 'syntax' or whaever of listing 2 isn't right
[15:47] <Bloom> No it's not
[15:48] <mordof> CarlFK: elaborating: when i'm in edit mode, there's the ability to add extra dns entries, each with their own input. when i've got both entered, i have 2 inputs, each containing one of the addresses. the "DNS <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>" is the resulting status string that it displays on the main panel
[15:48] <mordof> CarlFK: you're right though, if i had put that in while editing it probably would've freaked out
[15:48] <ImUs3r> OerHeks: then there is no windows list?
[15:49] <for{}> ducasse, gdevilspie doesnt work
[15:49] <CarlFK> mordof: im out of ideas - my guess is that setting you are looking at isn't being used.
[15:49] <OerHeks> ImUs3r, nope.
[15:49] <ducasse> for{}: oh, devilspie2 then?
[15:49] <ImUs3r> thanks OerHeks ;)
[15:50] <OerHeks> ImUs3r, you could see 2 instances on your panel too
[15:50] <for{}> but i want gui, ducasse
[15:50] <Bloom> OerHeks no it's not
[15:50] <ImUs3r> OerHeks: ubuntu vs debian, which is more stable?
[15:50] <ducasse> for{}: "you can't always get what you want..." :)
[15:50] <mordof> CarlFK: it does seem that way. but i've fiddled with resolvconf, and force reloading the network-manager daemon as well after making the changes. i don't know how to check which dns server it's trying to use either
[15:51] <for{}> what if you never get what you want?
[15:51] <ducasse> ImUs3r: depends on what you mean by 'stable', but it's offtopic here. try #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:51] <OerHeks> ImUs3r, ubuntu, what do you expect in ubuntu-support-channel?
[15:51] <OerHeks> + answer
[15:51] <ImUs3r> i will do programming with ubuntu.
[15:52] <mordof> CarlFK: i looked in /var/log/syslog   in hopes that any dns stuff would show up, but to no avail. if there's logs, or ways to be all "what dns server are you using?" then maybe that would be helpful
[15:53] <for{}> its ubuntu vs debian sid
[15:53] <for{}> at least i heard it would be
[15:54] <ducasse> for{}: honestly, devilspie rules are quite easy to write. if this is standard ubuntu with unity i think compiz also has some built-in window allocation features. have you tried compiz-config-settings-manager?
[15:55] <for{}> ducasse, i saw nothing like 'fullscreen for <app name>' in ccsm
[15:57] <Bloom> Hello guys. Im doing a test which contains two picture, one named hackertron.png.gpg which i am supposed to unlock and the other one is named Moscow_watchdog_4.jpeg, so far i found out that there is a password saying "TissotIsTime" inside of the Moscow picture, i also got the information that i need to decrypt the hackertron picture with aes256. Do any of you guys know how i can do that through my linux machine?
[15:58] <ducasse> for{}: then i think devilspie or maybe wmctrl are your best choices.
[15:59] <OerHeks> Bloom, do you have the aes256 key ?
[15:59] <Bloom> Im pretty sure that it's TissotIsTime as i have nothing else
[16:00] <Bloom> I have a link to the picture where it's just a small box OerHeks
[16:00] <Bloom> Oerheks http://flerehackere.dk/style/ Here is the things i have access to, in the Moscow picture if you download it and open with notepad the password is in the bottom of the document
[16:02] <ducasse> Bloom: is this for a contest?
[16:02] <tcoupload> I need some help
[16:02] <Bloom> ducasse: Yes
[16:02] <tcoupload> i open a link in a email and the result was 3 commands like "/bin/bash -ilc command env"
[16:02] <tcoupload> to stop them need to use sudo...
[16:02] <tcoupload> in a research i saw the bash options i(interactive) and c(read from) so after stop them i change my pass
[16:02] <tcoupload> but i need help to understant the "command env" part!!
[16:02] <Jordan_U> Bloom: Are you allowed to be asking for help from others in this contest?
[16:02] <Bloom> There is nothing illegal related to this
[16:03] <usr13> Do we get to share the prize money?
[16:03] <ducasse> Bloom: then you should figure it out yourself, shouldn't you? at the very least, i'd expect you to try google.
[16:03] <Bloom> Jordan_U: everything is permitted
[16:03]  * OerHeks loves aes256 bitcoins
[16:03] <Bloom> No price pool lol
[16:04] <ducasse> tcoupload: 'help command'
[16:05] <usr13> tcoupload: man env
[16:05] <OerHeks> Encrypt and decrypt hex strings using AES-128 and AES-256, supporting basic modes of operation, ECB, CBC. bla bla >> http://extranet.cryptomathic.com/aescalc/index
[16:05] <akik> Bloom: try openssl enc -d
[16:08] <tcoupload> ducasse: my bad.. i thought there was a real command... lol
[16:16] <for{}> ducasse, it works!
[16:16] <for{}> at least for now
[16:16] <for{}> i use devilspie2
[16:17] <ducasse> for{}: great :) just have it autostart, and it should always work for that application.
[16:18] <for{}> thanks, ducasse
[16:19] <ducasse> for{}: yw
[16:23] <boriseto-work> How can I execute a snap from terminal (lets say VLC for example)? Can I bind it with other apps for opening directly a file or link?
[16:23] <Trel> I'm having a bit of an issue.  I installed mariadb which broke everything, and I'm trying to remove it and mysql so I can start over.  I can't seem to get mysql to install now.  Any clue at all what I can do?
[16:24] <OerHeks> boriseto-work, don't open a gui program from terminal.
[16:24] <OerHeks> boriseto-work, if you *must*: vlc &
[16:25] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: I know, but usually that's the "run" command as well. Also, it isn't VLC from repo, it's the Snap version.
[16:25] <root____8> hi
[16:26] <glitchd> how can i get a script to run before login?
[16:26] <Southern_Gentlem> rc.local
[16:26] <glitchd> and carry over into the session i log into
[16:26] <OerHeks> boriseto-work, ehm ... so you have regular and spap package installed? what does - apt-cache policy vlc - say?
[16:27] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, care to give me a hand as i have no idea how to accomplish that
[16:27] <Southern_Gentlem> glitchd, what exactly are you trying to do
[16:27] <OerHeks> i think the newest will be called
[16:28] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: that it's installed from ppa
[16:29] <OerHeks> snap list
[16:29] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: in the dash I have both of the versions, the one from the ppa and the snap one, but the snap one at the moment behaves better with the current intel hardware/software
[16:29] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: I have vlc there as well. :)
[16:29] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, well i have another machine setup and instead of having 2 keyboards and 2 mice, i would like to use one each and control both machines. i already have that working. but when i boot the second machine i have to get up, plug in a keyboard and mouse, login, the run the script for it to connect to the control server running on my main machine. i want the script to launch at boot so i can use the keyboard from machine 1 to log into machine 2.
[16:30] <Southern_Gentlem> so add the script to /etc/rc.local and it will run on every reboot
[16:30] <glitchd> and how exactly do i add it to rc.local
[16:31] <OerHeks> boriseto-work, again: what does - apt-cache policy vlc - say?
[16:31] <OerHeks> i think only the newest will be called
[16:31] <Southern_Gentlem> glitchd,  sorry to be this way but you need to learn more so its time for you to google rc.local
[16:31] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, seriously?
[16:31] <OerHeks> i think both ppa and regular and snap are 2.2.2
[16:32] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: http://pastebin.com/tnpVTs3G
[16:32] <boriseto-work> Nope, the snap is 3.x
[16:33] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, youre awful. step on a tack.
[16:33] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: what you are saying is if I had only the snap version, if I execute vlc (in terminal or app), it should load that one?
[16:34] <Southern_Gentlem> glitchd,  you dont understand the basic FHS stuff nor how to edit a file yes you need to do some research
[16:34] <w0jtas> hello, how can i upgrade ubuntu 15.04 to 15.10 ? i want to have 16.04 but 15.04 -> 16.04 doesn't work
[16:35] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | w0jtas
[16:35] <devslash> I upgraded a virtualbox VM that was running Ubuntu 15.10 to 16.10 and now it won't boot. After I enter the encryption password, it hangs on the lock screen. It shows "ACPI: No IRQ available for PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD]. Try pci=noacpi or acpi=off [ 28.725633] piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.0 SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr" I'm pretty sure that this message was there before this problem started and isn't
[16:35] <devslash> related to the problem itself think that
[16:36] <frankiee_> Hi! Which version of xubuntu must I install for a non-PAE kernel? (Intel Celeron M 1.40GHz) HP Pavilion dv1000 laptop.
[16:37] <nicomachus> devslash: did you try using "force_addr=0xaddr"?
[16:37] <devslash> what address would i use
[16:37] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, i know basic things, i can edit files. if you have used xubuntu 16.04 you would know that rc.local is not used by default anymore and has moved to systemd. thats why i was asking for an explanation. drop the attitude and help the people asking for help or leave and stop wasting peoples time. jerk.
[16:38] <devslash> nicomachus, What address would I use
[16:38] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, and dont reply to me again.
[16:39] <frankiee_> glitchd: You gotta admit, systemd sucks though :/
[16:40] <frankiee_> systemd ie. compared to http://man.openbsd.org/rc.8
[16:40] <devslash> can anyone help me out
[16:41] <glitchd> seriously tho, what a tool that guy is.
[16:41] <OerHeks> boriseto-work, no clue, i see 2 vlc instances in my panel, biug and smaller icon. not sure howto start the 3.0 version from terminal, i think you never should launch from terminal.
[16:42] <Southern_Gentlem> glitchd,  create one and see
[16:42] <OerHeks> boriseto-work, maybe the guys in #snappy can give that answer
[16:42] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, go away.
[16:43] <HoloIRCUser1> Is 16.10 worth upgrading
[16:43] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: oh, wasn't aware about that channel, thanks. It wasn't for running it from the terminal, it was more for giving the exec command to an app, to use instead of regular vlc... But thank you anyway.
[16:43] <v_chartest> cnet.ee
[16:43] <glitchd> Southern_Gentlem, fyi, youre ignored now.
[16:43] <Southern_Gentlem> glitchd,  good
[16:45] <HoloIRCUser1> Is 16.10 worth upgrade
[16:45] <TomyWork> hey there
[16:45] <ducasse> glitchd: just add a line that runs the script to /etc/rc.local, there's no magic involved
[16:45] <EriC^^> hi TomyWork
[16:45] <TomyWork> bluetooth on my dell precision m4800 doesn't work out of the box, but i found this: http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=53R21
[16:46] <TomyWork> dmesg suggests all i need would be firmware
[16:46] <genii> HoloIRCUser1: If you have no pressing need for something which only 16.10 has, you're better off to stay on 16.04.1 LTS for now
[16:46] <OerHeks> HoloIRCUser1, users can have benefit with the newer kernel for newest hardware, else i would stick to LTS
[16:46] <TomyWork> i'm still downloading, what kind of file(s) should i be looking for in that package?
[16:46] <TomyWork> (not going to install all of it, i like my system :))
[16:46] <HoloIRCUser1> Thanks
[16:46] <glitchd> ducasse, but thats the thing with 16.10, rc.local isnt used by default
[16:46] <glitchd> ducasse, its using systemd if i read correctly
[16:47] <Southern_Gentlem> glitchd, then you need to read up more on systemd
[16:47] <TomyWork> -rw-r--r-- david/david    12112 2013-04-08 11:15 debs/oem-bt-dw1550-dkms_0.1_all.deb
[16:47] <TomyWork> does this sound like what i want?
[16:47] <ducasse> glitchd: it seems to be active here, otherwise just enable it with systemctl
[16:47] <blackflow> glitchd: I think they're trying to tell you that if it exists, rc.local will be executed by systemd.
[16:48] <Vysty> Yao, anyone kicking around?
[16:48] <Vysty> Anyone have the experience that Unity bogs down a bit more than Gnome?
[16:48] <glitchd> blackflow, that makes more sense
[16:48] <glitchd> ducasse, i just found info on how to re-enable rc.local so im trying that
[16:49] <glitchd> ducasse, blackflow thank you both
[16:49] <blackflow> glitchd: while at it, I'd recommend looking into writing your own proper unit file, to get used to it as ewll
[16:49] <xangua> Vysty well it uses compiz so...
[16:49] <Vysty> xangua: Whazzat?
[16:50] <glitchd> blackflow, im not even sure what that is..
[16:50] <blackflow> glitchd: core configuration files for services, sockets, timers, .... under systemd
[16:51] <glitchd> blackflow, ohh, ill check that out then, thanks again!
[16:51] <blackflow> glitchd: there are tutorials like this: http://patrakov.blogspot.hr/2011/01/writing-systemd-service-files.html
[16:52] <glitchd> blackflow, welp i just add my script to rc.local now im about to reboot to see if it works or not
[16:52] <blackflow> glitchd: for one-off scripts (execute once, don't daemonize) you need to set Type=oneshot. Definitely look at docs.
[16:52] <kostkon> TomyWork: dkms so yeah it's a kernel module, most likely a driver
[16:53] <glitchd> blackflow, will do
[16:56] <glitchd> blackflow, nope adding my script to rc.local did not start it
[16:56] <TomyWork> kostkon looks like i cant build it though :/
[16:56] <TomyWork> error: ‘struct hci_dev’ has no member named ‘load_firmware’
[16:56] <TomyWork> hdev->load_firmware = btusb_load_firmware
[16:57] <kostkon> TomyWork: dkms is giving you errors?
[16:57] <TomyWork> yes
[16:57] <boriseto-work> OerHeks: so it's this simple: for binding it from another app (let's say I want to open a video from there), instead of "vlc" I should use "/snap/bin/vlc"
[16:57] <TomyWork> well the package is, but i think it invokes dkms in postinst
[17:00] <TomyWork> package linux-headers-$(uname -r)-generic is installed and it's the one it wants to build with
[17:05] <ducasse> TomyWork: the source is probably under /usr/src, try building it manually and see where it fails
[17:08] <vihsi> please help me to install wifi driver in ubuntu 16.04 please help me,
[17:10] <TomyWork> ducasse i have the make.log the package left
[17:10] <TomyWork> ducasse would that be enough?
[17:10] <vihsi> help me please
[17:11] <vihsi> #ablest
[17:11] <younder> vihsi, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[17:12] <vihsi> sir i checked almost everything in internet, but nothing work
[17:12] <vihsi> @younder

[17:13] <younder> But you never told us anything about what device or what driver
[17:14] <vihsi> sir  output of lspci is
[17:14] <vihsi> fuchs@freenode/staff/fuchs
[17:14] <vihsi> sorry
[17:14] <vihsi> 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0036] (rev 01) 	Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter [11ad:0642]
[17:14] <ablest> what computer do you got?
[17:14] <vihsi> acer aspire
[17:14] <vihsi> e5
[17:16] <ablest> http://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers
[17:16] <usr13> vihsi: sudo modprobe ath9k && dmesg | grep ath
[17:16] <ablest> e5 or e500?
[17:17] <vihsi> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'ath9k': Invalid argument
[17:17] <ablest> http://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/309?b=1
[17:17] <ablest> ^
[17:17] <usr13> vihsi: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[17:18] <lxleuser> hi, I installed lxle today. Audio is not working now. what can I do?
[17:18] <usr13> vihsi: Fully updated?
[17:18] <vihsi> yes sir
[17:18] <usr13> lxleuser: alsamixer
[17:19] <usr13> vishesh: linux-headers-generic installed?
[17:19] <lxleuser> usr13: I didn't get you.
[17:19] <lxleuser> I am new to lenux
[17:19] <vihsi> yeah almost sir
[17:19] <usr13> lxleuser: In terminal run  alsamixer  Make sure everything is turned up, etc. etc.
[17:20] <younder> http://askubuntu.com/questions/708061/qualcomm-atheros-device-168c0042-rev-30-wi-fi-driver-installation
[17:20] <lxleuser> usr13: but i have pulseaudio installed in lxle
[17:20] <usr13> vihsi: Reboot afterwards and let us know.
[17:20] <TomyWork> ducasse a fix for this seems to be in quantal, raring and saucy, but not in trusty
 updated sir, and also no wifi option available in bar of ubuntu
[17:20] <usr13> lxleuser: In terminal run  alsamixer  Make sure everything is turned up, etc. etc.
[17:21] <usr13> lxleuser: And nothing muted
[17:21] <vihsi> ok sir
[17:21] <usr13> and run modprobe command again.
[17:21] <lxleuser> usr13: It says no such file or directory
[17:22] <younder> This helped me debug the sound problems http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/sound/sound_troubleshooting.htm
[17:22] <usr13> lxleuser: alsamixer
[17:22] <younder> It's a bit extensive for interacive storytelling over a chat group over unknown hardware.
[17:22] <usr13> !sound | lxleuser
[17:23] <nacc> TomyWork: which bug?
[17:23] <TomyWork> nacc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/linux-lts-vivid/+bug/1077091
[17:23] <younder> But my link have a very sound soluttin/debugging based approach.
[17:23] <TomyWork> missing hci_dev::load_firmware
 same error sir
[17:24] <usr13> You rebooted?
[17:24] <younder> duh
[17:24] <nacc> TomyWork: which kernel are you using in trusty?
[17:24] <vihsi> sorry i haven't let me reboot
[17:24] <usr13> vihsi: iwconfig |& nc termbin.com 9999
[17:24] <TomyWork> the default one:
[17:24] <usr13> vihsi: ... and send resulting URL ...
[17:25] <TomyWork> 3.13.0-101-generic
[17:25] <younder> trusty tar now that was a while back.
[17:25] <usr13> vihsi: Yes, reboot, try again.
[17:25] <vihsi> http://termbin.com/4iql
[17:25] <usr13> vihsi: Did you reboot?
 it just hangs up while unpackaging generic
[17:26] <vihsi> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal 4.4.0-47-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-47-generic run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms 4.4.0-47-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-47-generic Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-47-generic (x86_64) Consult /var/lib/dkms/focaltech/1.5/build/make.log for more information.
[17:26] <younder> Funny thats what I always do when my Pi won't respond. Reboot. sually itworks, If not try again. Shit science, but it seems to keep things running.
[17:26] <nacc> TomyWork: are you sure you pointed at hte correct bug? that's a CVE one for the ipv4 stack
[17:26] <usr13> vihsi: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
 still executing
[17:27] <elcot_> hello guys
[17:27] <nacc> TomyWork: and that particular bug only applies to < 3.4.19 (so not trusty's kernel(s)
 okk sir
[17:28] <TomyWork> nacc well it does appear here :)
[17:28] <elcot_> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:28] <nacc> TomyWork: what does? you hit the CVE??
[17:28] <nacc> TomyWork: I don't disagree you are hitting something, I disagree it's that bug, I doubt you're using illinois
[17:28] <TomyWork> nacc no, wait, did i post the wrong bug?
[17:28] <nacc> TomyWork: yes, that's what I think :)
[17:29] <TomyWork> i did "grep -R load_firmware /usr/src/linux-headers-3.13.0-101-generic" and it's not showing anything in hci_dev
 sir email id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>can you please contact
[17:29] <TomyWork> let me find the correct one...
[17:29] <usr13> vihsi: ok
[17:30] <TomyWork> nacc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1065400
[17:30] <TomyWork> precise, quantal, raring and saucy fixed, but trusty isnt even mentioned
[17:31] <k__> hi
[17:31] <k__> just got this error
[17:31] <nacc> TomyWork: it's nominated for it Trusty (in my view), but not yet accepted
[17:31] <k__> bionic/libc/bionic/malloc_debug_common.cpp:191: error: undefined reference to 'dlmalloc_real'
[17:32] <k__> bionic/libc/bionic/malloc_debug_common.cpp:211: error: undefined reference to 'dlmalloc_real'
[17:32] <k__> bionic/libc/bionic/malloc_debug_common.cpp:214: error: undefined reference to 'dlfree'
[17:32] <k__> bionic/libc/bionic/malloc_debug_common.cpp:236: error: undefined reference to 'dlfree'
[17:32] <k__> bionic/libc/bionic/malloc_debug_common.cpp:240: error: undefined reference to 'dlfree'
[17:32] <nacc> !paste | k__
[17:32] <TomyWork> nacc the guy who nominated it said "For Utopic, the upstream patch mentioned in #119 is already merged"
[17:32] <TomyWork> does that mean if i upgrad to linux-lts-utopic, it may work?
[17:32] <nicomachus> TomyWork: what are you on now?
[17:32] <nacc> TomyWork: utopic stack is no longer supported
[17:33] <TomyWork> nacc or linux-lts-xenial or whatever it current
[17:33] <nacc> TomyWork: for trusty, you need to be on 14.04.0/1 or 14.04.5
[17:33] <nacc> TomyWork: i think xenial will probably work fine, i'm honestly not sure
[17:33] <nacc> TomyWork: still digging on my side
[17:33] <utilisateur> hello
[17:33] <younder> A good time to point to a psste webcite for code and errors? http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:33] <TomyWork> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS according to /etc/lsb-release
[17:34] <Sonderblade> hi
[17:34] <nacc> TomyWork: so do you have the xenial hwe stack installed and just aren't runing that kernel?
[17:35] <TomyWork> nacc i think that's separate from what's in lsb-release
[17:35] <nacc> TomyWork: i think you're right, though, that it should be in trusty's base kernel via a backport, though
[17:35] <TomyWork> nacc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack i guess i'll just run that apt-get line?
[17:36] <nacc> TomyWork: utopic got it for free, as it was merged in 3.16
[17:36] <nacc> TomyWork: err, 3.14, i meant
[17:36] <nacc> TomyWork: i can approve that task for trusty, but someone still needs to do the work :)
[17:38] <TomyWork> well, i guess the enablement stack will have  that fix anyway, right?
[17:40] <nacc> TomyWork: the xenial one will, yeah
[17:45] <kosmas> Hello, I have a quick question. Anyone here?
[17:45] <nacc> !ask kosmas
[17:45] <nacc> !ask | kosmas
[17:45] <OerHeks> that was a quick question :-D
[17:56] <rcmainak> I'm getting an error
[17:56] <rcmainak> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[17:56] <rcmainak> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/packagecloud.io_slacktechnologies_slack_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[17:56] <rcmainak> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[17:56] <rcmainak> what's wrong?
[17:56] <usr13> rcmainak: And this is after command __________________?
[17:57] <rcmainak> sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[17:57] <OerHeks> packagecloud.io is an commercial blob
[17:58] <nacc> rcmainak: also you seem to be trying to use debian on ubuntu, based upon that url?
[17:58] <usr13> rcmainak: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30072/how-do-i-fix-a-problem-with-mergelist-or-status-file-could-not-be-parsed-err
[17:59] <rcmainak> don't know why I somehow manage to mess up my ubuntu after sometime :D
[18:00]  * rcmainak poor soul
[18:00] <ubuntu> hey just selected 'try ubuntu'
[18:00] <ubuntu> from the live USB
[18:00] <ubuntu> 16.10
[18:00] <ubuntu> and my logitech mouse is working
[18:00] <Guest98944> but the cursor is not updating position
[18:01] <usr13> That's great ubuntu.  Do you have any questions about it?
[18:01] <Guest98944> just stock in the top left corner
[18:01] <Guest98944> at first i thought it wasn't moving at all
[18:01] <Guest98944> then i right clicked
[18:01] <Guest98944> and saw that it in fact was connected
[18:01] <Guest98944> just the cursor isn't updating
[18:01] <kostkon> Guest98944, did you try connecting it to another port?
[18:01] <OerHeks> dirt in your mouse that moves him to the corner
[18:01] <usr13> Guest98944: Please do not use Enter key for puncuation.
[18:02] <Guest98944> usr13: i dont understand what you're saying
[18:02] <kostkon> !enter
[18:02] <kostkon> no?
[18:02] <usr13> *punctuation*
[18:02] <OerHeks> don't use enter as .
[18:02] <usr13> Sorry for the spelling error.
[18:02] <Guest98944> yes i tried another port
[18:03] <Guest98944> i thought ubuntu was pretty stable OS?
[18:03] <Guest98944> very odd I cannot use name brand mouse
[18:03] <usr13> very odd indeed
[18:03] <Guest98944> the mouse software stack loads before the OS does and can be used in BIOS
[18:03] <Guest98944> so how did Ubuntu break the mouse guys?
[18:04] <kostkon> Guest98944, mouse support in efi is a different story altogether nothing to do with the OS
[18:04] <usr13> Guest98944: We do not know how you broke your mouse.  :)
[18:04] <Guest98944> usr13: you are not helping anyone
[18:04] <Guest98944> usr13: I don't appreciate your attitude
[18:05] <usr13> Guest98944: Sorry you do not understand.
[18:05] <rudedog1> can anyone tell me how to make my lockscreen match my login screen?
[18:05] <Guest98944> usr13: i don't have time to deal with your bullshit, do not respond to me anymore
[18:06] <usr13> Guest98944: Sorry you do not have a sense of humor.
[18:06] <oswintopno> ssup
[18:06] <Guest98944> usr13: here you go wasting time again
[18:06] <oswintopno> is it
[18:06] <rudedog1> my mouse got brock when i installed laptop-mode-tools
[18:06] <kostkon> Guest98944, you could reconnect the mouse and check what the logs will say about it
[18:06] <Guest98944> usr13: my mouse works perfectly on this system in Windows 10, Linux mint, ect
[18:06] <Guest98944> Ubuntu broke the mouse support
[18:07] <Guest98944> Not me
[18:07] <Guest98944> Your joke was garbage
[18:07] <Guest98944> Just like your atttitude
[18:07] <usr13> Yours is good though.
[18:07] <OerHeks> usr13, coffee?
[18:07] <usr13> OerHeks: Yes, thank you.
[18:07] <rudedog1> the fix for my mouse is here
[18:07] <rudedog1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/760887/installed-laptop-mode-tool-16-04-now-usb-mouse-not-working-after-rebooting-unti
[18:07] <nacc> Guest98944: please stop using enter as punctuation; if usr13 isn't being helpful, just ignore them.
[18:07] <nacc> Guest98944: so your mouse is connected, but the cursor doesn't move?
[18:08] <Guest98944> nacc right the cursor is stuck in the top left
[18:08] <rudedog1> that's how it was yes
[18:08] <Guest98944> the mouse is moving
[18:08] <nacc> rudedog1: you also experienced this problem?
[18:08] <nacc> Guest98944: sorry? so it works now?
[18:09] <Guest98944> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2339860
[18:09] <nacc> !who | rudedog1
[18:09] <Guest98944> known bug
[18:09] <rudedog1> yes after installing laptop-mode-tools
[18:09] <rudedog1> that messed up my mouse it's fixed now though
[18:09] <Guest98944> nacc: the mouse works, yes - ubuntu HOWEVER is NOT updating the cursor position to what it actually is
[18:09] <Guest98944> the cursor is stuck in the top left
[18:10] <nacc> Guest98944: ah sorry, I misunderstood "the mouse is moving", you meant you are moving the mouse physically, I think
[18:11] <rudedog1> I installed acrobat reader hehe
[18:11] <nacc> Guest98944: is there anything in dmesg regarding your mouse or the corresponding driver? particularly errors
[18:11] <Guest98944> nacc: some people say it's the kernel
[18:11] <Guest98944> I find that hard to believe
[18:11] <nacc> Guest98944: does 16.04 work?
[18:11] <Guest98944> nacc: according to a user in the thread I linked
[18:11] <rudedog1> type this command
[18:11] <Guest98944> nacc: I do not have time to do that right now
[18:11] <rudedog1>  lsusb
[18:12] <rudedog1> should show you deviceid
[18:12] <usr13> Guest98944: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:12] <nacc> usr13: why do you think that is the solution?
[18:12] <usr13> nacc: Why do you think it is not the solution?
[18:13] <usr13> nacc: Do you know if he has a fully updated system? (Including kernel?)
[18:13] <usr13> nacc: Does he know?
[18:13] <Guest98944> ...
[18:13] <rudedog1> for mine I used that command and wrote down the deviceid
[18:14] <Guest98944> you want me to upgrade the system in a live session
[18:14] <nacc> usr13: becuse they are on the live USB, so changing the kernel won't matter
[18:14] <Guest98944> ... to fix the mouse support...
[18:14] <rudedog1> then had to add that to a file
[18:14] <nacc> usr13: please read the actual issue, and then try to help constructively.
[18:14] <rudedog1> reboot and the mouse worked agin
[18:14] <usr13> Oh, live CD  Well, that's different.
[18:14] <Guest98944> usr13: if you weren't so concerned about talking shit to new users
[18:14] <Guest98944> you might actually help someone
[18:14] <nacc> Guest98944: please don't curse, please just focus on solving the issue
[18:14] <rcmainak> usr13, thanks mate. solved the problem...
[18:15] <usr13> rcmainak: NP
[18:15] <Guest98944> this channel used to be full of really bright people
[18:15] <Guest98944> really helpful people
[18:15] <usr13> Guest98944: Still is.
[18:15] <rudedog1> first off curses always helps!
[18:15] <nacc> Guest98944: can you pastebin the output of `dmesg`? maybe just what it shows when you unplug and replug the mouse?
[18:15] <Guest98944> usr13: obviously you weren't here when I was
[18:15] <nacc> Guest98944: usr13: both of you stop, focus on support in the channel, please.
[18:16] <Guest98944> nacc: I installed pastebinit
[18:16] <Guest98944> to show lsusb
[18:16] <Guest98944> but it's kind of hard to copy the link without a mouse xD
[18:16] <ivaylo33> hi
[18:16] <nacc> Guest98944: thanks please provide those links once you have them -- hrm, good point :)
[18:16] <nacc> Guest98944: should be short enough to type, i hope
[18:16] <wew_lad> I have NVIDIA 367.57 installed on Ubuntu 16.04 with a 965M. The performance is horrible. I've read that the performance is much better in 370.28, and I can install it via a PPA. I'm planning to do a clone then try installing it via the "Additional Drivers" method. Should I remove the existing drivers first?
[18:16] <usr13> nacc: If you scroll up, people have said "Sorry" to Guest98944 a total of 5 times.  He is the only rude person I see here.
[18:17] <Guest98944> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491663
[18:17] <mrottenkolber> Hi, I have both "Ubuntu Software Center" and "Ubuntu Software" which one should I uninstall and how do I do that?
[18:17] <nacc> usr13: move on, please. You are not obligated to help anyone.
[18:17] <rudedog1> i like synaptic package installer
[18:18] <ivaylo33> whois ivaylo33
[18:18] <mrottenkolber> rudedog1: I am mainly interested in figuring out which is there "by accident" (through upgrade)
[18:18] <Guest98944> i would use a wired mouse as a workaround
[18:18] <Guest98944> but all I have is wireless
[18:19] <Guest98944> so I guess this bug is better left unfixed
[18:19] <rudedog1> yeah my wireless took a shit
[18:19] <mrottenkolber> Also, are there any recommended resources on how to create a deb package and host it in an ppa?
[18:19] <rudedog1> so i used wired usb one
[18:20] <nacc> mrottenkolber: do you know how to create a source package?
[18:20] <TomyWork> nacc after closing a mile of browser and console tabs, i'm now restarting to boot into the new kernel. wish me luck :)
[18:20] <mrottenkolber> nacc: what do you mean by source package? I have created plenty of Slackbuilds for instance, so I am generally educated in the topic of packaging, but never have created a deb
[18:20] <TomyWork> it did rebuild the bluetooth module, so that should be covered at least
[18:21] <nacc> Guest98944: since you are on a live session; it seems relatively easy to just setup 16.04 on a usb and test that; that would be my first suggestion (to verify it's a regression or not). Or you could try disabling the nvidia modules, but i'm not sure how that would work in the live session.
[18:21] <TomyWork> nacc ah nope, still the same error :/
[18:21] <nacc> TomyWork: good luck!
[18:21] <TomyWork> /var/lib/dkms/oem-bt-dw1550/0.1/build/btusb.c:1108:6: error: ‘struct hci_dev’ has no member named ‘load_firmware’
[18:21] <ioria> Guest98944, take a look at solaar package or solaar-gnome3  package  for your Unifying Receiver
[18:22] <ioria> !info solaar
[18:22] <nacc> mrottenkolber: that question sort of implies, no :) ok, so probaby should ask your questions in #ubuntu-devel, then
[18:22] <nacc> TomyWork: is the dkms-building package something Ubuntu ships?
[18:23] <rudedog1> can anyone tell me where my lockscreen theme settings are located
[18:23] <TomyWork> nacc http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491695/ here's the make log
[18:24] <TomyWork> the linux headers are the ones from the kernel i just installed
[18:24] <nacc> TomyWork: is oem-bt-dw1550-0.1 an Ubuntu package? or where did you get it?
[18:24] <TomyWork> nope, it's from dell
[18:24] <nacc> TomyWork: their package is probably incompatible with the Ubuntu kernels then
[18:24] <nacc> TomyWork: what kernels do they support?
[18:24] <TomyWork> http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=53R21
[18:24] <TomyWork> it says it's for precise
[18:24] <nacc> TomyWork: right, so it will *only* work for precise
[18:25] <mrottenkolber> So regarding my previous question: I assume software-center is deprecated, and "Ubuntu Software" is the new thing?
[18:25] <TomyWork> nacc hmm, so any way i can get this fixed? :)
[18:25] <rudedog1> my laptop is a lenovo and pretty much everything is working in it
[18:25] <nacc> mrottenkolber: you want the thing that is 'software' (in dash) and iirc, 'ubuntu software center' is deprecated
[18:25] <rudedog1> need to update the graphics to ati though
[18:25] <nacc> mrottenkolber: gnome software center is the future, iirc
[18:25] <nacc> TomyWork: you'd have to update their driver to be compatible with the tree you care about, by hand
[18:26] <nacc> TomyWork: non-trivial :/ or ask dell to update the driver?
[18:26] <TomyWork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1065400 oh thanks for adding it :)
[18:26] <mrottenkolber> nacc: yeah, good riddance that thing was unresponsive...
[18:27] <usr13> mrottenkolber: Cut to the chase:  apt-cache, apt-get etc. etc.
[18:27] <nacc> TomyWork: but i don't think it will actually help your case, anyways -- as your issue is your dkms driver source is not buildable with the current kernel(s). A good driver source would do a version check and just error out if it's known not to work. I think that driver is bitrotted (and I see no further release from Dell?)
[18:28] <TomyWork> there's one for an old centos
[18:28] <TomyWork> but other than that
[18:28] <nacc> TomyWork: i would suggest contacting them to see if there are any updates, I've found that for active Dell developers, sometimes they actually have a github project where they take PRs and things
[18:28] <mrottenkolber> usr13: I thought just 'apt' was the new thing? Anyways, if I want to use the command line I use Slackware, and not this debian trash ;P
[18:28] <rudedog1> can anyone point me to a site that teaches you how to make your own themes
[18:29] <usr13> mrottenkolber: They both work.
[18:29] <nacc> TomyWork: in theory, what is that driver supposed to do? (sorry, missing context)
[18:29] <TomyWork> bluetooth
[18:29] <nacc> TomyWork: maybe you don't atually need it with xenial stack?
[18:30] <TomyWork> oh good point, i'll try but i dont think it will work
[18:30] <TomyWork> nacc http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/precision-m4800-workstation/drivers
[18:30] <kostkon> TomyWork, what made you go hunting for a driver?
[18:30] <TomyWork> it lists redhat 6.4 in addition to a bunch of windowses and ubuntu 12.04
[18:30] <TomyWork> kostkon well it never worked
[18:30] <kostkon> TomyWork, it's an unusual course of action in the linux world
[18:31] <nacc> TomyWork: yeah, i think dell's internal site is sort of garbage, as they support much newer ubuntu for other devices
[18:31] <nacc> TomyWork: it's like half the company (true of many) don't want to admit ubuntu exists :)
[18:31] <multifractal> I have this unusual problem on 16.04. The internet connection sliently seems to drop out, intermittently. Chrome will just spin the loading wheel and display a DNS error page after a certain length of time. Also happens in firefox. No internet problems with any other (Mac) laptops in the household.
[18:31] <multifractal> How can I begin diagnosing this?
[18:32] <nacc> TomyWork: 'never worked' in that it errored out? or your bluetooth device was not seen? or?
[18:32] <TomyWork> no sign of it working
[18:32] <nacc> TomyWork: anyting in dmesg relevant to bluetooth?
[18:32] <TomyWork> no bluetooth icon, bluedevil-wizard didnt show anything
[18:32] <nacc> TomyWork: i assume you have installed the blueman stuff
[18:32] <TomyWork> dmesg says firmware missing
[18:32] <nacc> TomyWork: can you pastebin the exact output?
[18:32] <TomyWork> 1 sec
[18:33] <OerHeks> TomyWork, use ' rfkill list all '  to see if it is blocked
[18:33] <multifractal> The whole WIFI experience is a little strange/buggy. e.g. the wifi icon has no signal bars at all, and when I click it I can't see my SSID in the drop-down menu.
[18:33] <TomyWork> [136845.835753] Bluetooth: can't load firmware, may not work correctly
[18:33] <TomyWork>         Soft blocked: no        Hard blocked: no
[18:33] <nacc> TomyWork: so that seems like you may have just gone down the wrong direction; not being able to load firmware (because say it can't find it), means the driver *is* working on some level
[18:34] <nacc> TomyWork: it just can't find thefirmware it needs :)
[18:34] <TomyWork> nacc oh
[18:34] <nacc> TomyWork: does it print what the firmware it is looking for?
[18:34] <nacc> bad sentence, but hopefully you get what i mean :)
[18:34] <TomyWork> well let me reboot, because i sure wont get it to work with an updated but not loaded kernel :)
[18:34] <nacc> heh
[18:34] <nacc> TomyWork: right
[18:35] <TomyWork> [136845.835752] usb 2-1.5: firmware: fw-413c_8143.hcd will not be loaded
[18:35] <TomyWork> that's 1 tick before the line i pasted before
[18:35] <nacc> interstingt
[18:35] <TomyWork> wait there's more
[18:35] <TomyWork> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491738/
[18:36] <lxleuser> hi, can anyone help me in this? I installed lxle today. But there is no audio. What can I do now?
[18:36] <nacc> TomyWork: yeah that message (in the current kernel at least) gets printed if the user helper for loading firmware failed
[18:36] <nacc> TomyWork: does fw-413c_8143.hcd exist (probably under /lib/firmware) anywhere on your system?
[18:37] <pino56> cioa
[18:37] <pino56> list!
[18:37] <ducasse> lxleuser: lxle is not ubuntu, so not supported here.
[18:37] <ChetManly> so UFW black bluetooth?
[18:37] <ChetManly> blocks*
[18:37] <usr13> !sound | lxleuser
[18:37] <TomyWork> UFW?
[18:37] <multifractal> Has anyone experienced problems similar to this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2340739 I THINK that's the problem I have...
[18:37] <lxleuser> It is based on lubuntu, i guess.
[18:37] <TomyWork> ubuntu for windows? :)
[18:37] <ChetManly> !ufw
[18:38] <OerHeks> convert the windows firmware with this tool https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1065400/comments/11
[18:38] <usr13> TomyWork: http://askubuntu.com/questions/614319/ubuntu-15-04-bluetooth-no-adapters-found-dell-precision-m4800
[18:38] <nacc> OerHeks: yeah i'm thinking that's all that's missing
[18:38] <ducasse> lxleuser: yes, 'based on'. not 'the same as'.
[18:38] <kostkon> TomyWork, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1356076/comments/6
[18:38] <TomyWork> usr13 the solution is downloading a bunch of stuff from dropbox... nope
[18:38] <nacc> TomyWork: it may be something like this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13_(9343)#Bluetooth
[18:39] <TomyWork> nacc Sorry, this page was recently deleted (within the last 24 hours). The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
[18:39] <kostkon> TomyWork, make sure you have removed the package from dell before attempting anything new
[18:39] <nacc> TomyWork: the archlinux page? i'm looking at it right now
[18:39] <TomyWork> wat
[18:39] <TomyWork> can you pastebin it? :D
[18:40] <nacc> TomyWork: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491756/
[18:40] <kostkon> TomyWork, if it somehow got installed that is
[18:40] <ChetManly> noone knows
[18:40] <nacc> TomyWork: right, so first thing is, remove that oem package
[18:40] <nacc> TomyWork: as it just won't work anymore and will be noisy on every headers install as it will fail :/
[18:41] <TomyWork> removed
[18:41] <nacc> TomyWork: and fwiw, the link i pasted, won't be exactly the driver you need, but hte idea should be the same
[18:41] <nacc> OerHeks: --^ agreed?
[18:41] <OerHeks> nacc, yes, and use the firmware from the dell site itself
[18:41] <nacc> OerHeks: yep, that's where i'd get the .cab file from, if possible
[18:42] <Guest98944> ioria: just got solaar installed
[18:42] <Guest98944> it loads to a blank program
[18:42] <Guest98944> says 'select a device' and there is nothing
[18:42] <Guest98944> lol
[18:42] <Guest98944> nice try though
[18:42] <TomyWork> OerHeks ok, would the oem package build the hcd if it worked?
[18:42] <TomyWork> or would that work differently?
[18:43] <TomyWork> i'm just trying to save download time and salvage the ubuntu 12.04 driver package that i already have :)
[18:43] <usr13> TomyWork: did you look to see what is in /lib/firmware/brcm/?
[18:45] <TomyWork> a bunch of stuff
[18:45] <TomyWork> i'm not exactly sure which device i have
[18:45] <usr13> 20702?
[18:45] <TomyWork> i'll look through all those .debs in the driver package for a 04ca_2007 hcd
[18:46] <TomyWork> none found :/
[18:46] <usr13> !enter
[18:47] <usr13> TomyWork: So, looks like the firmware has yet to be downloaded
[18:47] <TomyWork> -rw-r--r-- root/root     34474 2013-04-02 07:36 ./lib/firmware/fw-413c_8143.hcd <-- there's just this one
[18:48] <TomyWork> Description: Firmware for Broadcom dw1550 bluetooth device 413c:8143
[18:48] <usr13> TomyWork: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767046/bluetooth-broadcom-bcm20702-does-not-load-firmware-driver-issue-14-04
[18:48] <usr13> TomyWork: Well, maybe fw-413c_8143.hcd is it.  I dono
[18:48] <pavlushka> is there any pdf reader with multitab feature?
[18:49] <usr13> acroread has multitab feature
[18:50] <devsys> Hi All, I have a ubuntu 16.04 server, how do I reset the connections to the server? I just added a DROP statement to my iptables INPUT chain, but I still see the connections persisting.
[18:50] <pavlushka> thanks usr13 :)
[18:50] <devsys> I tried conntrack -F but nothing
[18:50] <TomyWork> usr13 it says "[175802.452788] Bluetooth: firmware loaded" now, so maybe that was it...
[18:50] <devsys> conntrack -L shows no connections (definitely not the case)
[18:50] <usr13> pavlushka: So does qpdfview
[18:50] <TomyWork> after a modprobe -r btusb && modprobe btusb
[18:50] <TomyWork> hmm but maybe it always says that
[18:51] <usr13> pavlushka: I'm using qpdfview now.  It's pretty nice.  I think I like it better than acroread.  It appears to be more light-weight
[18:51] <usr13> pavlushka: And OpenSource
[18:52] <pavlushka> usr13: wow, I think that's what I need, thanks again :)
[18:52] <TomyWork> a "service bluetooth restart" later, an error message i had previously with "bluedeveil-wizard" is gone. maybe this works after all :)
[18:52] <usr13> pavlushka: NP
[18:52] <usr13> TomyWork: Cool....
[18:52] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, XDDDDDDDDDD
[18:52] <praisethemoon> GUESS WHOS BACK
[18:53] <TomyWork> how can i tell which devices btusb claimed?
[18:53] <usr13> TomyWork: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/bt-device.1.html
[18:54] <TomyWork> hmm, that's bluez
[18:54] <TomyWork> i think kubuntu is using something else, at least it's not installed
[18:54] <usr13> O
[18:54] <nacc> TomyWork: `bluetoothctl` iirc, will show you which bluetooth devices are detected?
[18:55] <TomyWork> nope
[18:55] <TomyWork> i think i'll try a reboot
[18:55] <TomyWork> my system is still in limbo after the kernel update :)
[18:59] <sktr> Hi, if i'm trying to dual-boot ubuntu, will it erase my Windows OS?
[18:59] <usr13> sktr: No, but only if you are careful to  leave the MS Windows Partition(s) alone.
[19:00] <usr13> sktr: You just have to pay attention during the install process.
[19:00] <sktr> okay, is there anything in particular i should try and look careful for?
[19:00] <usr13> sktr: Make sure you have free space to use.
[19:01] <sktr> how much do i need? i have about 600GB
[19:01] <usr13> sktr: If you do not have an expendable partition, you may need to make some arrangements for it.  Yes 600G is more than enough.
[19:02] <sktr> Okay, thanks
[19:02] <usr13> sktr: If you have 600GB unpartitioned free space, you are good to go.
[19:02] <TomyWork> ok so my system still works, but bluetooth still doesn't. what's improved is that rfkill list all now lists "4: dell-bluetooth: Bluetooth". It's still neither soft nor hard blocked
[19:02] <kostkon> sktr, before going ahead with it backup your most important data if you can, just to be on the safe side
[19:03] <Broken_Bells> if i wanna learn lua, what package should i install to get the interpreter?
[19:03] <usr13> sktr: If not, MS Windows has a non-destructive partition manager now-days and you should use it.
[19:03] <usr13> sktr: As Broken_Bells points out, *always* back up your important data.
[19:03] <sktr> usr13: ok thanks. just asking, how much should i allocate for ubuntu?
[19:03] <sktr> i'll be using it mainly for dev
[19:04] <TomyWork> on the negative side, bluedevil-wizard shows "QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::deviceFound(QVariantMap) to DiscoverPage::deviceFound(QVariantMap)" again. But now that I take a closer look at it, it looks more like a buggy wizard to me
[19:04] <usr13> sktr: It all depends on what you want to do.  100G would be enough, 600G is more than enough
[19:04] <afsafasfs> hi. do i need bad-block check my swap partition?
[19:05] <usr13> sktr: The initial install will be <50G
[19:05] <usr13> afsafasfs: I normally don't bother
[19:05] <sktr> usr13: ok good, i only have one hard-drive so i'm trying to preserve as much memory as i can
 Why?
[19:06] <usr13> I dono, I just don't
[19:06] <usr13> afsafasfs: But it's a good idea to do it.
[19:07] <usr13> afsafasfs: for 6 or 8G it won't take long, so go for it.
 how can i do it?
[19:07] <nacc> TomyWork: i've never used bluedevil, sorry
[19:07] <TomyWork> # bt-device -l  # org.bluez.Error.NoSuchAdapter: No such adapter
[19:08] <bluenails> trying to get conky working in yackity yak, and I am watting to do battery monitoring. However /proc/acpi/battery doesn't exist. I have installed acpi and just typing acpi at the command line gives me the battery status. (I installed from minimal iso, so there might be an acpi component I am missing?)
[19:08] <TomyWork> a page i'm reading suggests bluetoothctl, but that doesnt seem to be found by apt-file search
[19:09] <nacc> TomyWork: it comes from bluez
[19:09] <nacc> TomyWork: iirc
[19:09] <TomyWork> it seems i have bluez installed
[19:09] <usr13> afsafasfs: mkswap -c
[19:09] <nacc> bluenails: iirc, /proc/acpi/battery is now in sysfs
[19:09] <TomyWork> the bluetooth service is from it. bluedevil might just be a frontend
[19:09] <nacc> TomyWork: could be, yeah
[19:10] <bluenails> nacc: any idea how to get conky to look there? or do I need to make a symlink?
 ) thanks for not answer in style "man mkswap, m****er!" XD
[19:10] <TomyWork> bt-device is from bluez-tools, which i just installed and it says "org.bluez.Error.NoSuchAdapter: No such adapter". I guess that means i still have a firmware problem
[19:11] <kostkon> bluenails, you could edit the conky script responsible for that although i cannot help you on the specifics
[19:11] <nacc> bluenails: i don't think a symlink is appropriate, as it will be lost on every boot
[19:11] <nacc> bluenails: i think it's a conky bug, if i had to guess
[19:11] <bluenails> nacc hmm I think most of conky is C not scripts :(
[19:11] <usr13> afsafasfs: Yea, never much cared for the RTFM answers either.
[19:11] <nacc> bluenails: i believe that was for kostkon ?
[19:12] <praisethemoon> hello everyone.
[19:12] <bluenails> nacc: koston: oops yes
[19:12] <bluenails> koston: most of conky is C not scripts, and the conky config doesn
[19:12] <bluenails> kostton: seem to allow to specify path for BAT0
[19:12] <nacc> TomyWork: i think you want `bt-adapter -l`
[19:13] <nacc> TomyWork: `bt-device` is for connected bluetooth devices, iiuc
[19:13] <TomyWork> No adapters found
[19:13] <kostkon> bluenails, afaik conky functionality can be extended with scripts so that could be the case for the battery info as well
[19:13] <nacc> TomyWork: ok, that is a "better" (more accurate) message
[19:13] <kostkon> bluenails, in other words the battery info is provided by a conky script
[19:13] <\9> i just got a scary looking "usb usb2-port1: unable to enumerate USB device" message in dmesg that showed up during live session boot, but the system still booted fine and i can use e.g. this irc over ssh as well as firefox
[19:13] <bluenails> kostkon: yeah, I could pretty much reimpliment the battery functionality with scripts, but that is a much bigger overhead, and I am on a tiny system.
[19:14] <\9> should i be concerned_
[19:14] <\9> ?
[19:14] <bluenails> kostkon: do you know where these scripts are, because I was pretty sure pretty much everything in the man page was C not scripts.
[19:14] <nacc> TomyWork: can you pastebin `lsusb -vvv` ?
[19:14] <nacc> TomyWork: or if you want to look yourself, you should see an entry there for a Bluetooth protocol device
[19:15] <TomyWork> nacc The device corresponding to the firmware i installed earlier is: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 413c:8143 Dell Computer Corp.
[19:15] <TomyWork> lsusb -t doesnt list it
[19:15] <TomyWork> i'll pastebin lsusb -vvv
[19:15] <TomyWork> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491881/ lsusb -vvv
 man says, that i need do mkswap -c before creating swap. do i need check newly founded (with Gparted) swap partition?
[19:16] <dalput> if I want to find & replace text with bash with sed, how can I replace 1 out of 2 duplicate words ? let's say there is AA AA BB BB and I want to make it AA CC BB BB?
[19:16] <bluenails> dang it gtg work
[19:17] <nacc> TomyWork: hrm, so it's not a USB device? I thought you were looking at btusb? can you pastebin `dmesg` for me?
[19:17] <usr13> afsafasfs: Yes,  mkswap -c /dev/sdaX  (mkswap creates the fs for swap).
[19:18] <TomyWork> nacc i do think it's a usb device, yes
[19:18] <EriC^^> dalput: sed 's/AA AA/AA/g'
[19:18] <TomyWork> internally connected though
[19:18] <usr13> afsafasfs: Gparted may have some utility for checking for bad blocks as well.  I don't know for sure ....
[19:18] <nacc> TomyWork: if it's a USB device, lsusb would show it :/ regardless of its connectivity
[19:18] <nacc> TomyWork: oh it's there
[19:18] <TomyWork> ctrl-f 8143
[19:19] <nacc> TomyWork: it's not reporting itself as a bluetooth device
[19:19] <usr13> afsafasfs: But yea, you have to create the partition first.
[19:19] <TomyWork> google says "A Bcm20702a0 is a bluetooth device.", so i think i'm on the right track
[19:19] <dalput> EriC^^: that removes 'aa aa' and makes it 'aa', I want to replace only the SECOND aa and leave everything intact. or should I look for an other command instead of sed ?
[19:19] <dalput> EriC^^: so 'aa aa bb bb' becomes 'aa cc bb bb'
[19:20] <TomyWork> nacc https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/03/msg00243.html this seems related
[19:20] <EriC^^> dalput: you're not getting this are you :P
[19:20] <CrazyJoey> Hello?
[19:20] <EriC^^> dalput: sed 's/AA AA/AA CC/g'
[19:21] <nacc> TomyWork: which kernel are you on now?
[19:21] <usr13> afsafasfs: Also, make sure the swap partition is not in use when you mkswap it.
[19:21] <bivo> EriC^^ Interesting development from yesterday, it seems that the files aren't deleted, but are just not visible, unsure how to access them though
[19:21] <TomyWork> Linux mymachine 4.4.0-47-generic #68~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 26 19:42:11 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:21] <CrazyJoey> I have a question....
[19:21] <usr13> bivo: ls -a
[19:21] <TomyWork> that's from the enablement stack
[19:21] <CrazyJoey> ....is it possible for MDADM to handle more than one RAID array?
 i created, it already established as swap, but Gparted have gray entry for "check". So will i need recreate it with like mkswap -c /dev/sdaX ?
[19:22] <nacc> TomyWork: that patch was applied to 3.2, so it's in allt he kernels you've tested (afaict)
[19:22] <EriC^^> bivo: can you remind me of the problem?
[19:22] <dalput> EriC^^: yes, that's an option. but is there an option to let's browse a file and replace SOME instances, not all ? imagine if there were 50 of those, and I needed to only replace the 5 and the 15th
[19:22] <dalput> EriC^^: I swear I saw this somewhere, now I'm lost
[19:22] <nacc> TomyWork: if it wasn't, it wouldn't even see your device
[19:22] <nacc> TomyWork: oh wait, let me check one thing
[19:22] <TomyWork> ok
[19:22] <EriC^^> dalput: try #bash they probably know
 i have no way to check existent swap?
[19:22] <EriC^^> or ##linux
[19:22] <dalput> EriC^^: just found it, thanks
[19:22] <bivo> EriC^^ files on an NFTS volume that where seemingly auto deleted on an accidental drop onto the trash can.
[19:22] <dalput> the channel that is
[19:23] <EriC^^> bivo: aha, right
[19:23] <usr13> afsafasfs: Well, I don't know what it would do, maybe nothing if it's not being used.
[19:23] <CrazyJoey> hi?
[19:23] <bivo> EriC^^ data recovery efforts we tried yesterday only showed a .trashes file having been deleted
[19:23] <usr13> afsafasfs: free
[19:23] <EriC^^> bivo: so what makes you think they aren't deleted? the disk usage?
[19:23] <usr13> afsafasfs: (look and see)
[19:24] <nacc> TomyWork: can you pastebin the output of `usb-devices` ?
[19:24] <TomyWork> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491929/
[19:24] <usr13> afsafasfs: And you can temporarily turn it off, (if it's not in use).
[19:24] <TomyWork> i get 2 errors on stderr in addition to that: /usr/bin/usb-devices: line 79: printf: c: invalid number and /usr/bin/usb-devices: line 79: printf: d: invalid number
[19:25] <nacc> TomyWork: ah ha, you can see there that the 413c device has no 'driver'
[19:25] <nacc> hrm
[19:25] <nacc> TomyWork: did you pastebin dmesg?
[19:25] <bivo> EriC^^ volume size, that Caja says that the delete was undone, as well as if I try to unmount the drive it asks if I want to empty the trash
[19:25] <TomyWork> is "driver" something else than "firmware"?
[19:25] <usr13> afsafasfs: swapoff /dev/sdX
 wait... )
[19:25] <EriC^^> bivo: try sudo lsof | grep <some filename>
[19:25] <TomyWork> nacc that's a ton of text. do i need to anonymize that?
[19:25] <EriC^^> bivo: maybe they're still open
[19:26] <usr13> afsafasfs: Why are you wanting to search for bad blocks on your swap partition?  Are you having some problem?
[19:26] <EriC^^> bivo: aha and does ls ~/.local/share/Trash/files show them?
 just for lulz, i have old machine.
[19:27] <TomyWork> nacc http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491933/ oh well here it is :)
[19:27] <nacc> TomyWork: probably not, I guess it depends on if you think there's anything sensitive; ususally there is not. If you are really worried, I can have you grep, i'm just worried we'll miss something then
[19:27] <usr13> afsafasfs: And after you are done with mkswap, you can turn it back on again.  swapon /dev/sdx
[19:27] <nacc> TomyWork: ok, try this: `modprobe btusb`
[19:27] <TomyWork> oh, that wasnt loaded?
[19:28] <TomyWork> (i checked lsmod first)
[19:28] <usr13> lsmod |grep usb
 yes. it is bad: ( warning: wiping old swap signature.)?
[19:29] <TomyWork> nacc btusb is loaded now (it wasnt before the modprobe). bt-adapter -l still says no adapters found
[19:30] <usr13> afsafasfs: Well then, maybe you need to move the swap partition to another location.  Or just not use it.  Don't use swap at all, or use a swap file?
[19:30] <TomyWork> does bt-adapter go via the bluetooth service? is it worth restarting that?
[19:30] <mint> hello
[19:30] <TomyWork> still not working, anyway :/
[19:30] <usr13> afsafasfs: Wait, if it just says "wiping old swap signature", I'm not so sure that it's really bad.
[19:31] <TomyWork> btw, i really only installed firmware. do i need a driver in addition to that?
[19:31] <TomyWork> i have no idea how this works, really :)
[19:31] <usr13> afsafasfs: "wiping old swap signature" may be normal.
[19:31] <afsafasfs> 0 bad pages mkswap: /dev/sda2: warning: wiping old swap signature. Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 12.2 GiB<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes) no label, UUID=3dc0d01b-6f95-463b-a75f-4046960e954d ?
[19:31] <mint> can anyone help me setting a shamba share? I followed this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20(Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal)%20-%20Uncomplicated,%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way!
[19:31] <ducasse> afsafasfs: that's normal
[19:32] <mint> but smbclient reports: mint@mint ~ $ smbclient -L //<IP_ADDRESS>/storage -U metalliko
[19:32] <mint> WARNING: The "syslog" option is deprecated
[19:32] <mint> Enter metalliko's password:
[19:32] <mint> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT)
[19:32] <kostkon> mint, are you on mint?
[19:32] <ducasse> !mint | mint
[19:32] <bivo> EriC^^ Found it! The files are all still here in '/media/med/2 tb/.Trash-1000/files/Backup'
[19:32] <nacc> TomyWork: can you paste dmesg again?
[19:32] <usr13> mint: So you are sharing a directory with a MS Windows PC on your network?
[19:33] <mint> no 2 mint machines
[19:33] <TomyWork> nacc, there is only one extra line: [ 1749.417408] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
[19:33] <usr13> mint: Don't paste multi lines here, use a pastebin.
[19:33] <usr13> mint: So why not just use nfs?
[19:33] <mint> ok sorry usr13
[19:33] <usr13> !nfs | mint
[19:33] <mint> nfs?
[19:34] <mint> ok i will try that
[19:34] <usr13> mint: If you are not intending to share with a MS Windows PC, I would suggest just using nfs.
[19:34] <TomyWork> mint  if it's just ad-hoc, sshfs can work for you, too
[19:34] <usr13> mint: Good luck. (Happy file sharing :)
 <ducasse> D'OH! Thanks, goodbye!
[19:35] <nacc> TomyWork: do you see in the `usb-devices` output, any change?
[19:35] <TomyWork> mint, it's easier to set up if you already have working ssh/scp, imo
[19:35] <EriC^^> bivo: awesome!
[19:35] <mint> i already tryed sshfs without luck
[19:35] <EriC^^> bivo: how did you find it, i'm curious
[19:35] <mint> i will rty nfs
[19:35] <usr13> afsafasfs: Ok, haveagoodone.
[19:35] <mint> *try
[19:35] <TomyWork> nacc uh 1 sec, i need to diff :)
[19:35] <EriC^^> bivo: ah, right
[19:36] <EriC^^> bivo: i forgot, if it's not on the root partition, it gets moved to a dir in the filesystem with the user's uid, .Trash-uid
[19:36] <TomyWork> nacc no changes
[19:37] <EriC^^> bivo: well that's that, great :D
[19:40] <TomyWork> nacc http://paste.ubuntu.com/23491990/ that's what's in the driver package. i only installed "debs/bt-dw1550-firmware_0.1_all.deb" from that. do i need more than that maybe?
[19:40] <bivo> EriC^^ I remembered that the trash files where kept locally on each drive,
[19:41] <bivo> EriC^^ The things you remember when you've had a bit of time to sleep on them
[19:42] <EriC^^> bivo: yeah :D
[19:42] <TomyWork> nacc that package gave me a "/lib/firmware/fw-413c_8143.hcd", which does look like it belongs to the usb device id 413c:8143
[19:43] <bivo> EriC^^ Because I was actually considering attempting to recover the files from Windows with Recuvue, but I was unsure if that would work if there was a difference between how Linux and Windows deletes files, as I've never attempted that before.
[19:44] <mint> na
[19:44] <mint> nfs also fails
[19:44] <EriC^^> bivo: always great to have a crisis averted
[19:44] <TomyWork> mint  can you ping?
[19:44] <mint> same as smb an sshfs
[19:44] <mint> yes
[19:44] <TomyWork> just thought i'd ask :)
[19:44] <EriC^^> bivo: data recovery can be a b.....
[19:44] <TomyWork> mint can you ssh?
[19:45] <nacc> TomyWork: ah ah! i figured out the underlying issue ... i don't think the mainline btusb driver in use in xenial has the device id for your adapter
[19:45] <nacc> TomyWork: let me see if mainline does
[19:45] <mint> I don't know how to ssh TomyWork
[19:45] <TomyWork> mint open a terminal and type "ssh remoteuser@remotemachine"
[19:46] <nacc> TomyWork: nope, it does not either
[19:46] <mint> ok
[19:46] <bivo> EriC^^ yeah, this is the first time I've had to do it on Linux, I've done so on Mac and Windows, more terminal-fu is required I guess.
[19:46] <TomyWork> nacc what do you mean doesnt have the device id. can i force it to adopt it anyway?
[19:47] <wruser> hello
[19:47] <mint> TomyWork: na, ssh hangs there without giving any output
[19:47] <nacc> TomyWork: so the way devices work in the kernel is that the vendor and product are matched to konw if they are supported
[19:47] <mint> just like nfs
[19:47] <mint> mount.nfs: Connection timed out
[19:48] <mint> same as sshfs and smb
[19:48] <TomyWork> mint can you type "ssh -v remoteuser@remotemachine" instead
[19:48] <nacc> TomyWork: in your case, 413c is the vendor (dell & broadcom, i hitnk) but the product (8143) is not listed int he kernels' sources
[19:48] <TomyWork> mint oh ok that's pretty clear already
[19:48] <nacc> TomyWork: so the btusb driver doesn't know your device is one it should support (because officially it doesn't)
[19:48] <TomyWork> nacc can i override that list in the sources via config?
[19:49] <nacc> TomyWork: no, you need to build a new kernel, i think ... although maybe you can trick udev
[19:49] <nacc> TomyWork: but even then, no, the driver will still fail to match
[19:49] <mint> i'm missing something obvious?
[19:49] <TomyWork> mint firewall, possibly
[19:49] <TomyWork> or misconfigured interfaces
[19:49] <TomyWork> are you using dhcp on both?
[19:50] <mint> mint's firefall or router's?
[19:50] <TomyWork> are you on a "surf and mail only" guest wifi?
[19:50] <mint> dhcp
[19:50] <mint> nop
[19:50] <TomyWork> no wifi at all?
[19:50] <mint> my home wifi
[19:50] <TomyWork> can you switch to a cable?
[19:50] <mint> wifi works well i can ping the other machine
[19:50] <TomyWork> nacc drat... so that's why that package contains kernel packages :)
[19:51] <nacc> TomyWork: yeah, hav eyou looked at: 1382490
[19:51] <nacc> TomyWork: err, LP: #1382490
[19:51] <TomyWork> mint ping is icmp, ssh is tcp
[19:51] <mint> no TomyWork this laptot doesn't have rj45
[19:51] <nacc> TomyWork: that's specific to your device, with an advice by the vendor of how to workaround the lack of support
[19:51] <EriC^^> bivo: yeah, linux's power is in the cli
[19:51] <nacc> TomyWork: both firmware and driver, i think
[19:51] <mint> so is a problem with the network, i was thinking that
[19:52] <mint> any ideas?
[19:52] <MasterOfAllEvil> What's the issue?
[19:53] <TomyWork> nacc chih is the vendor?
[19:53] <EriC^^> bivo: i've not used mac yet, maybe some day in the future
[19:54] <mint> cant create a share between 2 mint machines MasterOfAllEvil
[19:54] <mint> already tryed smb sshfs and nfs
[19:54] <mint> with no luck
[19:54] <TempAcc499> http://mibpaste.com/hy9lHo would this be an okay SSD to run Ubuntu on? It's a small 20GB drive. I most likely want to run Xubuntu.
[19:54] <TomyWork> nacc well that linked thread suggests creating a .hcd with hex2hcd and reloading btusb. i have a .hcd and reloaded btusb
[19:54] <nacc> TomyWork: works for them, yes
[19:55] <nicomachus> I am getting some really, really odd behavior from Google Chrome. It opens up and everything in the window is just completely scrambled. Here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23492040/
[19:55] <bivo> EriC^^ eh, I used Macs where there was a point to using them, in the pre Intel days, now they are fast on their way to being an overpriced iOS device. If you want to try out OS X just try it in a VM or build an OSx86 box.
[19:55] <TomyWork> well i can try a newer driver... a colleague with the same laptop sits across the room :)
[19:55] <ducasse> mint: look at the logs for what the problem is. other than that: https://linuxmint.com/contactus.php
[19:56] <EriC^^> bivo: isn't osx not vm compatible?
[19:56] <nacc> TomyWork: it's possible that the firmware is searched for in /lib/firmware/brcm ?
[19:56] <nacc> TomyWork: you could try copying the firmware file there and `modprobe -r btusb; modprobe btusb`
[19:56] <EriC^^> bivo: i was under the impression you they can't be run in a vm
[19:57] <OerHeks> TempAcc499, any ssd will do
[19:57] <nicomachus> The weird thing is, I can't even get a screenshot of it. It just shows my background image.
[19:57] <EriC^^> bivo: i will look into it, thanks!
[19:57] <TempAcc499> Okay, I am wanting to switch to Linux this laptop is getting a bit sluggish running on W7. OerHeks
[19:57] <OerHeks> TempAcc499, don't compare read/.write times, the 0 sec access time is a breeze itself
[19:57] <ioria> nicomachus, vm ?
[19:57] <nicomachus> ioria: yes.
[19:57] <ioria> nicomachus, https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77404
[19:58] <TomyWork> nacc nope, still no bt-adapter -l output
[19:58] <bivo> EriC^^ certain versions are, server license, can be found if you you know where to look. There is also likely a hack to make it work, like there was to make newer PPC versions compatible with unsupported models with hacked drivers and system files
[19:58] <TomyWork> well, except "No adapters found"
[19:58] <nacc> TomyWork: any change in dmesg?
[19:58] <mrchairman> If I delete a hardlink, will it delete the original file the link is pointing too?
[19:58] <TomyWork> [ 3528.219647] usbcore: deregistering interface driver btusb [ 3528.286197] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
[19:58] <nicomachus> ioria: huh. that's interesting.
[19:58] <ioria> nicomachus,  good luck
[19:58] <OerHeks> mrchairman, normally not.
[19:59] <EriC^^> bivo: aha, i see
[19:59] <TempAcc499> Thanks for the reply. OerHeks
[19:59] <mrchairman> Thanks OerHeks
[19:59] <nicomachus> ioria: I can't shut down the VM right now to disable 3D, but I'll give that a shot. I'm in 16.10, not 16.04, but I assume the issue is the same.
[19:59] <TheMarius> TempAcc499, try linux mint or ubuntu then :) look at the desktop you like and install
[19:59] <ioria> nicomachus,  probably
[19:59] <TomyWork> mint does iptables -L list anything but headers on either machine?
[20:00] <OerHeks> TheMarius, please don't suggest mint
[20:00] <TheMarius> why not
[20:00] <mint> why no?
[20:00] <TomyWork> TheMarius because this is #ubuntu :)
[20:00] <mint> *not
[20:00] <OerHeks> mint is not suppported here .. and slower than ubuntu
[20:00] <TomyWork> #ubuntu can't suggest mint without also supporting mint
[20:00] <TempAcc499> I was thinking either Lubuntu or Xubuntu something light because I only use this laptop for browsing and streaming things from my server.
[20:00] <TheNH813> Having problems with two things. I'l start with the easier one. My PS/2 adaptor works for a few seconds and quits.
[20:00] <TempAcc499> I'd probably only need chromium/firefox and mpv player honestly for the time being.
[20:01] <TheMarius> mint ran with less bugs on my puter.. which is why i run it.. however i see it as a dialect of ubuntu
[20:01] <nacc> TheMarius: it's a fork
[20:01] <TheNH813> It could bad a bad cable on the adaptor, but it could also be a drivers issue. Prior to current versions of Linux, it only worked with keyboards, although it's also supposed to work with mice.
[20:01] <OerHeks> TheMarius, and mint has its own issues
[20:01] <TomyWork> TheMarius try getting by on high german in switzerland :)
[20:01] <nacc> TomyWork: ok, so i updated LP: #1382490, let's see what they say
[20:01] <TheMarius> nacc: i know... its allmost the same
[20:01] <TheNH813> Any suggestions where to start troubleshooting?
[20:02] <nacc> TheMarius: the differences are so key and you're glossing over all of them.
[20:02] <TheMarius> sigh
[20:02] <Bashing-om> !minimal | TempAcc499 If you are handy . FAST and very light :
[20:03] <TomyWork> nacc ok suppose i'm not afraid of rebuilding the btusb module from source, can i just add 8143 to that list and recompile the module?
[20:03] <TempAcc499> I'll look into that thanks.
[20:03] <nacc> TomyWork: right, that's what i'd try -- and i think it should go into the latter section, which refers specifically to dell laptops
[20:03] <TempAcc499> This laptop isn't very old but trying to speed it up by running Linux.
[20:03] <TomyWork> nacc uh, would i need to rebuild the entire kernel?
[20:03] <nacc> TomyWork: so you could do that, modprobe  -r btusb and `insmod btusb.ko`, but you might get mismatches; so you have to build specific to the same kernel
[20:04] <nacc> TomyWork: are you comfortable trying a test kernel if i build it for you? I won't be able to guarantee it works or anything, but
[20:04] <nacc> TomyWork: it would be a package then, that you can unisntall
[20:04] <ioria> TempAcc499, you'll need a gui ?
[20:04] <nacc> TomyWork: you might be able to grab the kernel soruce package, build it and just insmod, like i said, if you know how
[20:04] <TomyWork> depends. the building here stopped heating 4 minutes ago, so i'll have to leave soon or freeze to death :D
[20:05] <nacc> TomyWork: i'd put it in a ppa, you can use it whenver you want
[20:05] <TomyWork> cool
[20:05] <TempAcc499> I'm hoping to use either Lubuntu or Xubuntu. ioria
[20:05] <nacc> TomyWork: give me a few secs
[20:05] <Bashing-om> TempAcc499: Many times .. the best menas of speeding up a system is give it more ram to work with .. (u)buntu wants at least 2 Gigs . The other flavors will get by on less .. but getting by is not flying .
[20:06] <nacc> TomyWork: https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1382490 will be where i'll upload the package to
[20:06] <nicomachus> TempAcc499: A lot of laptops will allow you to upgrade RAM. And that can go a long way. Might look into that.
[20:06] <TempAcc499> I'm currently at 4GBs RAM and don't want to invest anymore in the laptop. I think the processor is holding it back more than anything.
[20:06] <nicomachus> TempAcc499: what's the CPU model?
[20:06] <TempAcc499> It has an I3 2367M 1.4GHz
[20:07] <nicomachus> Sounds like a Dell Inspiron
[20:07] <TempAcc499> And I couldn't install windows currently on the rather small SSD. So when I switch to Ubuntu the OS will go onto the SSD.
[20:07] <ducasse> TempAcc499: i have a first-gen i3 laptop, been fine since i put an ssd in it.
[20:07] <TomyWork> nacc ok i added it
[20:07] <TempAcc499> It's an Acer laptop not anything special.
[20:07] <Bashing-om> TempAcc499: That processor and 4 Gigs if ram will support what ever you care to install .
[20:07] <nacc> TomyWork: it won't have anything in it for now, will ping when i upload
[20:07] <TomyWork> thanks
[20:07] <nacc> TomyWork: it'll take some time to build
[20:07] <TempAcc499> I only use it to browse and stream/download from my server.
[20:07] <TomyWork> how long, usually
[20:07] <draxdeveloper> hello, i have just installed Ubuntu and i trying to install wine. But i can't
[20:07] <ioria> TempAcc499, you'll be good with lubuntu ... even with Ubuntu
[20:08] <nacc> TomyWork: probably a few hours, at least, so feel free to go get warm at home :)
[20:08] <draxdeveloper> seems to have a broken package
[20:08] <TomyWork> oh :D
[20:08] <draxdeveloper> but this is a fresh install
[20:08] <ioria> TempAcc499,  but if you need resources, Lubuntu is the right choice
[20:08] <TomyWork> i guess i'll come back tomorrow then :)
[20:08] <nacc> draxdeveloper: please pastebin the exact command used and output
[20:08] <nacc> TomyWork: i'll be here
[20:08] <TomyWork> thanks in advance :)
[20:08] <draxdeveloper> hum... I have to change my language to do this. Wait a sec.
[20:09] <younder> do what?
[20:09] <Bashing-om> TempAcc499: Acer on linux has it's issues ( read vendor lockin) . see: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2333630 <- oldfred : Ubuntu on Acer Aspire new Laptop .
[20:09] <draxdeveloper> my ubuntu is in pt-br. So you will not understand
[20:10] <TempAcc499> Do you think it's only for the newer models? Bashing-om
[20:10] <TempAcc499> Mine is an older aspire model
[20:10] <Bashing-om> TempAcc499: Well . mostly .. but Acer has a long history .
[20:10] <TomyWork> nacc what kernel version are you basing on?
[20:12] <nacc> TomyWork: 4.4.0-49.70 (which is what is in trusty-proposed) -- would you rather i go with what is in trusty-updates ?
[20:12] <Bashing-om> TempAcc499: Maybe look at : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1974392 <-Dual booting UEFI equipped notebook - Acer Aspire 5560
[20:12] <TempAcc499> I'll do some more reading - mine is the Aspire S3-391.
[20:13] <TempAcc499> I could use the live CD to test it out first before formating/installing right?
[20:13] <TheMarius> aaaanyway unity 8 looks good
[20:13] <sruli> how can i wrap a forward slash "/" in a bash variable?
[20:14] <younder> with a \/
[20:14] <ioria> TempAcc499,  sure... but it runs in ram .... so it's a test only for compatibility
[20:14] <TomyWork> nacc nah, should be fine :)
[20:14] <TempAcc499> Ah okay
[20:15] <draxdeveloper> i am back, here: http://pastebin.com/uSfVnRF8
[20:15] <raub> If I ping a host in my vlan (as in ping hostname -c 1), shouldn't arp -a show it?
[20:16] <ioria> draxdeveloper, apt-cache policy wine
[20:16] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/XnwsHi6r
[20:17] <draxdeveloper> wait, this means that my ubuntu version it's 14?
[20:17] <ioria> nope
[20:18] <draxdeveloper> it's says: Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14
[20:18] <ioria> !info wine xenial
[20:18] <nacc> draxdeveloper: you are running 16.04 (well the 16.04 repository is configurd, at least); lsb_release -a will tell you
[20:18] <draxdeveloper> yep, xenial
[20:19] <kostkon> draxdeveloper, it also says ubutnu xenial so you are on 16.04
[20:19] <ioria> draxdeveloper, 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14 (xenial) is correc
[20:19] <TomyWork> nacc is there any way to build just the modules?
[20:19] <TomyWork> it's make after all, isnt it?
[20:19] <TomyWork> i got the source tree here
[20:19] <nacc> TomyWork: yes, but an unbuilt source tree
[20:19] <TomyWork> make btusb.ko - no dice
[20:19] <draxdeveloper> so why wine have broken packages?
[20:19] <nacc> TomyWork: you could try `make M=drivers/bluetooth/`
[20:19] <draxdeveloper> The only thing i installed here is synaptic and chrome
[20:19] <nacc> draxdeveloper: you have yet to show *any* evidence of breakage
[20:20] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i asked very specifically for what command and output you get; you showed a policy output which says you have not installed wine.
[20:20] <docmur> I'm doing a debootstrap install of ubuntu 16.04.1, then running a script inside a chroot of that install to apt-get the kernel and grub.  Once I have those I run grub-install /dev/sda, but when I reboot I keep getting a kernel panaic, saying it's missing a initrd
[20:20] <ioria> nacc, http://pastebin.com/uSfVnRF8
[20:20] <draxdeveloper> nacc, but i have not installed wine
[20:20] <draxdeveloper> nacc, i just can't install
[20:20] <nacc> draxdeveloper: sorry, i missed that one
[20:21] <nacc> draxdeveloper: apt-cache policy wine1.6?
[20:21] <draxdeveloper> nacc http://pastebin.com/uSfVnRF8
[20:21] <draxdeveloper> this what i get when try to install wine
[20:21] <nacc> draxdeveloper: no, that is for wine, wine1.6
[20:21] <nacc> draxdeveloper: err, sorry, that paste i've seen
[20:22] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i'm asking for a new one, for the policy for wine1.6
[20:22] <younder> you loathe the broken bit
[20:22] <nacc> TomyWork: fyi, uploaded (4.4.0-49.70~14.04.2~ppa1), it's building now
[20:22] <TomyWork> nacc make, wait a few seconds, then the command you wrote :)
[20:23] <OerHeks> draxdeveloper, try sudo apt-get install wine:i386
[20:23] <nacc> TomyWork: you're not using secure boot or anything, right?
[20:23] <draxdeveloper> here, http://pastebin.com/6z3ikFEY
[20:23] <TomyWork> nacc not that i know
[20:23] <TomyWork> i guess i'll see? :D
[20:23] <draxdeveloper> DerHeks, but i use a 64 ubuntu
[20:23] <OerHeks> draxdeveloper, likely there is no wine:amd64
[20:23] <TomyWork> i'll try just overwriting the btusb.ko i just built
[20:24] <nacc> draxdeveloper: no, `apt-cache policy wine1.6`, exactly as written (no space between wine an 1.6)
[20:24] <nacc> OerHeks: both are built for i386 and amd64
[20:24] <nacc> TomyWork: right so you'll need to modprobe -r btusb
[20:24] <nacc> TomyWork: and then insmod /path/to/btusb.ko
[20:24] <ioria> draxdeveloper, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[20:25] <TomyWork> cp --backup drivers/bluetooth/btusb.ko /lib/modules/4.4.0-47-generic/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/btusb.ko && modprobe -r btusb && modprobe btusb
[20:25] <TomyWork> works just as well :)
[20:25] <TomyWork> buuut, Exec format error
[20:25] <draxdeveloper> nacc, here: http://pastebin.com/wxzZcyFu
[20:25] <nacc> TomyWork: `file btusb.ko` ?
[20:25] <TomyWork> I guess the "WARNING: Symbol version dump ./Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions." did mean something :)
[20:26] <sdfksdfk> what can I do about the performance hit I'm taking
[20:26] <sdfksdfk> I came from windows 7
[20:26] <nacc> TomyWork: note that wont'w ork correctly on the next boot, as you also need to rebuild the intiramfs
[20:26] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: what kind of performance hit?
[20:26] <draxdeveloper> ioria, it's returns i386
[20:26] <nicomachus> details pls
[20:26] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: litterally everything.
[20:26] <nacc> draxdeveloper: maybe try the output of `apt install wine wine1.6`
[20:26] <sdfksdfk> GPU performance took a hit (probably need to setup the proprietary drivers) disk I/O took a hit.
[20:26] <nacc> TomyWork: maybe, i'm guessing you'll see errors in dmesg from the failed load
[20:26] <sdfksdfk> Network IO took a hit
[20:27] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: be more specific. "took a hit"?
[20:27] <TomyWork> [ 5294.924036] btusb: no symbol version for module_layout
[20:27] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: Performacnce drops
[20:27] <TomyWork> so i was right :)
[20:27] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: ok. what is the ubuntu version and hardware specs?
[20:27] <nacc> TomyWork: yeah, so it wasn't built the way ubuntu builds, and then it flaked out
[20:27] <draxdeveloper> nacc, http://pastebin.com/Uw0MbJdw
[20:27] <TomyWork> i need a Module.symvers
[20:28] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: 16.04 LTS 8gb ram, 1tb HDD, phenom 955
[20:28] <sdfksdfk> I also have a r9 270x
[20:28] <TomyWork> nacc /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-47-generic/Module.symvers i guess i'll use this one? :)
[20:28] <nacc> TomyWork: you need to make sure to use the ubuntu configuration file
[20:28] <nacc> TomyWork: it's not that trivial
[20:28] <TomyWork> ./drivers/bluetooth/Module.symvers or this one? huh?
[20:28] <nacc> TomyWork: can you just wait til the package is done building?
[20:28] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: can you please paste the output of "sudo lshw" to a pastebin and link here? Need to make sure all the drivers are installed and are the right ones.
[20:29] <TomyWork> nacc sure, i just thought i'd poke around a bit in case there are errors after that :)
[20:29] <ioria> draxdeveloper, try to update/upgrade the system
[20:29] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: one sec
[20:29] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:29] <sdfksdfk> I'm locking up badly.
[20:30] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/z6gLQj4r
[20:30] <draxdeveloper> it's have an error in the xenius repository o0
[20:30] <sdfksdfk> http://termbin.com/qsml
[20:30] <nacc> ioria: good catch, looks to be out of sync maybe
[20:31] <draxdeveloper> but it's seems the system is updated
[20:31] <ioria> nacc, yeah
[20:31] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  how can you know ?
[20:32] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: One piece of good news. I got TF2 and steam to work on linux :>
[20:32] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: drivers look good.
[20:32] <draxdeveloper> ioria, http://pastebin.com/u3c23By4
[20:32] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: are you getting slowdowns during any particular activity that you can identify?
[20:32] <sdfksdfk> Compared to windows on this machine, Linux has been a complete trainwreck every time I've tried
[20:33] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: anything with disk IO or networking
[20:33] <sdfksdfk> The most fustrating part? My laptop LOVES linux.
[20:33] <draxdeveloper> ioria, has sum mismatch
[20:33] <draxdeveloper> hash
[20:34] <nacc> draxdeveloper: yes, that means it did *not* successfully update
[20:34] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  i see ... ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and if empty try to change mirror
[20:35] <draxdeveloper> ioria, just have the google chrome rep.
[20:35] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  are you on a livecd ?
[20:35] <draxdeveloper> (google-chrome.list)
[20:35] <draxdeveloper> nop
[20:36] <draxdeveloper> but it's a fresh install. The only thing i have done was install the chrome and synaptic
[20:36] <sdfksdfk> yay TF2 is having a stroke.
[20:36] <draxdeveloper> (in fact, it was a reinstall)
[20:36] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[20:37] <nacc> draxdeveloper: even on fresh install, you should do `apt update; apt full-upgrade`. And in your case, the `apt update` step is failing
[20:37] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  proxy ?
[20:37] <draxdeveloper> http://pastebin.com/1Qzu6RAW
[20:38] <draxdeveloper> ioria, how i check the proxy
[20:38] <sdfksdfk> soo
[20:39] <sdfksdfk> why
[20:39] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  i mean... are you using a proxy ? but i guess is 'no'
[20:39] <sdfksdfk> why am I getting HUGE performance hits when compared to windows
[20:39] <draxdeveloper> ioria, no
[20:40] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: stop saying the same things over and over.
[20:40] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: No one has been able to explain.
[20:40] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  sudo apt-get clean sudo apt-get update
[20:40] <nicomachus> unless you can quantify these "performance hits" or provide more detail, then there's nothing anyone can do.
[20:40] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: locking up massively.
[20:40] <RaulDuke> Anyone know where to get a Chromium update? My Chromium 51 isn't updating on Wily
[20:40] <sdfksdfk> everything locking up.
[20:40] <sdfksdfk> is that not quantified enough?
[20:41] <nacc> RaulDuke: wily is eol, you should upgrade asap
[20:41] <nacc> !eol | RaulDuke
[20:41] <RaulDuke> makes sense, thank you
[20:42] <nicomachus> sdfksdfk: please use top or htop and check logs to see what is causing the lock ups, then. Is CPU maxing out? RAM? some bottleneck in the kernel or systemd?
[20:42] <draxdeveloper> ioria, still having the shash mismatch
[20:42] <draxdeveloper> hash
[20:42] <sdfksdfk> nicomachus: "4177 felix     20   0 2733044 1.100g 206920 S  73.4 14.0  63:26.78 firefox
[20:42] <sdfksdfk> 73% cpu... by firefox... of course..
[20:42] <sdfksdfk> ...
[20:43] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  change mirror
[20:43] <draxdeveloper> ioria, how i do this?
[20:43] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  systemsetting -> software&update
[20:44] <sdfksdfk> Anyone else having bad experiences with FireFox right now?
[20:44] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  > Download from
[20:44] <draxdeveloper> changed to the main server
[20:44] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  sudo apt-get update
[20:45] <draxdeveloper> ioria, yeah, no errors this time =D
[20:45] <draxdeveloper> i had a hunch that i could change to main server. I will hear my intution next time
[20:45] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:46] <draxdeveloper> ok, upgrading
[20:46] <sdfksdfk> ; - ;!
[20:46] <ioria> sdfksdfk, ff is great :þ
[20:46] <draxdeveloper> ah, i have a doubt about this site:  http://blog.guntram.de/?p=16
[20:47] <sdfksdfk> ioria: FF gave me cancer
[20:47] <sdfksdfk> and ran over my dog.
[20:47] <ioria> sdfksdfk, hehehehe
[20:47] <draxdeveloper> i tried to follow this tutorial and welll, it's break my system (keyboard and mice stop working)
[20:47] <draxdeveloper> but i can't find any other solution to this issue (my mouse is with the double click issue, so i need a debounce)
[20:48] <sdfksdfk> ioria: I can't read my TF2 gamechat.
[20:48] <sdfksdfk> Font rendering is garbage.
[20:48] <SweetSpot> is there a less verbose manner to create keyboard shortcuts from terminal than using this method http://askubuntu.com/questions/597395/how-to-set-custom-keyboard-shortcuts-from-terminal ?
[20:49] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  uname -r ?
[20:49] <draxdeveloper> what uname do?
[20:49] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  kernel ver
[20:50] <draxdeveloper> ah, it's still upgrading. But the thing is... Do you think i should trust in this blog? I would have to install a deb. package from there.
[20:50] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  nope
[20:50] <draxdeveloper> hum... So how can i debounce my mouse?
[20:50] <sdfksdfk> ...
[20:51] <sdfksdfk> Yay for Linux being the second rate desktop os ; - ;
[20:51] <SweetSpot> sdfksdfk, why????
[20:51] <sdfksdfk> SweetSpot: TF2 has horrid font rendering on Linux
[20:51] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  interval time issue with left click ?
[20:51] <sdfksdfk> All Source Engine games do :c
[20:52] <SweetSpot> i never liked games
[20:52] <draxdeveloper> ioria, yeah. My mouse is double cliking REALLY fast.
[20:52] <draxdeveloper> it's random.
[20:52] <SweetSpot> same ol mechanics since... always?
[20:52] <draxdeveloper> and it's a hardware problem.
[20:52] <SweetSpot> theres no randomness
[20:52] <rexwin_> -bash: /home/vv/bin/rm: No such file or directory
[20:52] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  systemsetting -> mouse
[20:53] <rexwin_> I am getting the above message when trying to remove a file
[20:53] <draxdeveloper> ioria, even if i put in the slowest speed it's still double clicks
[20:53] <draxdeveloper> like i said, it's really fast
[20:53] <sdfksdfk> Anyone have a good method of audio re-routing on linux?
[20:53] <draxdeveloper> that' why i need debounce
[20:53] <sdfksdfk> So I want to take 1 source, split it up and combine it with other sources along the way to the target
[20:54] <sdfksdfk> Essentially I need a patch panel
[20:54] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  do you have a rapid-fire" setting on the keyboard ?
[20:55] <draxdeveloper> ioria, the mouse have a rapid fire button that i can't desactivate
[20:55] <draxdeveloper> i hate the button, but i can't do anything about it.
[20:57] <ioria> rexwin_, other commands like rename  ??
[20:57] <sdfksdfk> This font rendering is killing me.
[20:57] <sdfksdfk> ; - ;\
[20:58] <bekks> rexwin_: can you show us the output of "echo $PATH" please?
[20:58] <rexwin_> yes, give me a sec
[21:00] <rexwin_> output /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[21:01] <bekks> rexwin_: and the complete output of "alias" please, in a pastebin.
[21:01] <ioria> rexwin_,  it's not even looking at your /home/user/bin
[21:01] <bekks> ioria: thats why I'm asking about aliases.
[21:03] <ioria> draxdeveloper,  there should be a way to disable that rapid fire...
[21:03] <dStruct> ok can someone PLEASE tell me why 16.x has removed the -t option from gnome-terminal, I can no longer name my windows??
[21:04] <rexwin_> http://pastebin.ca/3739855 + a lot of aliases of my colleague
[21:04] <draxdeveloper> ioria, i think it's a machanical button (maybe ot's just press 3 times the left button) so i will have to open my mouse i "disable" it
[21:04] <draxdeveloper> well, i will deal with this later. Now i can risk to break my mouse.
[21:04] <bekks> rexwin_: As you can see your second alias is breaking things.  :D
[21:06] <sdskfguy> bekks: security.
[21:06] <sdskfguy> :D
[21:06] <bekks> sdskfguy: s/security/paranoia/
[21:06] <sdskfguy> bekks: nope.
[21:06] <dStruct> kostkon: I just upgraded from 14.x to 16.x and it really broke what I was doing, now I have to find another terminal, I can't imagine a single reason why they would need to remove that option
[21:06] <sdskfguy> I'm not going into details why I did secure wipe
[21:06] <sdskfguy> just that I did
[21:07] <rmac> sdskfguy: to be fair I have more installs of Win10 that are hosed than Linux
[21:07] <walnutbeard> cant install my games also programs so i am swappin windows but while usin winusb Installation failed !
[21:07] <walnutbeard> Exit code: 32512
[21:07] <walnutbeard> Log:
[21:07] <walnutbeard> i did ntfs and fat format and manage flags bootable
[21:07] <sdskfguy> rmac: This was coming from windows 7
[21:07] <bekks> walnutbeard: and how is that an Ubuntu issue?
[21:07] <sdskfguy> :|
[21:07] <sdskfguy> Windows 7 is GOAT
[21:08] <sdskfguy> rmac: the biggest piss off about all this?
[21:08] <sdskfguy> MY LAPTOP THAT IM ON NOW IS BEUTIFUL WITH LINUX
[21:08] <sdskfguy> Not a single issue.
[21:08] <bekks> sdskfguy: This isnt the correct place for chitchat ;)
[21:08] <sdskfguy> Same installer used on my laptop as my desktop, no lockups, wifi performance hickups, etc.
[21:08] <kostkon> dStruct, there are several you could try though that are much more advanced feature-wise than gnome-terminal
[21:08] <rmac> I assumed this wasn't a widespread issue or we'd all be on another OS :-P
[21:08] <sdskfguy> bekks: Want to help me get x11 back to life...
[21:09] <bekks> sdskfguy: First you have to tell us what you messed up in detail.
[21:09] <sdskfguy> bekks: I didn't do anything.
[21:09] <sdskfguy> From the get go FF was using 70%+ cpu
[21:09] <bekks> walnutbeard: no need for unasked an unwanted queries.  So dont call names on people, not even in a query.
[21:10] <genii> !info winusb
[21:11] <bekks> walnutbeard: and you cannot install Ubuntu on NTFS/FAT.
[21:11] <OerHeks> genii, only from a ppa, or use etcher
[21:11] <walnutbeard> u dont even read
[21:11] <OerHeks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[21:11] <sdskfguy> well I guess I'm migrating back to windows 7
[21:11] <dStruct> kostkon: true, I was looking at terminator among a few others, but gnome-term was working fine for opening the 15 serial port control screens I need, really annoying, if there was some kind of reason to remove that feature I would totally get it, you know
[21:11] <sdskfguy> rip
[21:11] <genii> OerHeks: Interesting.
[21:11] <bekks> walnutbeard: I've read enough of your for placing you on my ignore list.
[21:11] <walnutbeard> do i even care u child?
[21:11] <OerHeks> genii, iirc, for windows iso too
[21:12] <sdskfguy> walnutbeard: with an attitude like Trump's you'll never get support in here.
[21:12] <kostkon> dStruct, yeah, but unfortunately that's were gnome is heading to, a more simplified application stack
[21:12] <sdskfguy> walnutbeard: I've used winusb but seeing how you're acting, you can go suck it.
[21:12] <sdskfguy> Treat people with respect if you EVER want help in here. Until then
[21:12] <sdskfguy> !ops walnutbeard troll
[21:12] <dStruct> kostkon: well I hope you #gnome guys are listening, I for one AM NOT HAPPY :D
[21:12] <walnutbeard> it said its non of ubuntu problem and trolled me like that do u call that support
[21:12] <sdskfguy> walnutbeard:
[21:13] <sdskfguy> Again you gave no respect
[21:13] <sdskfguy> Gave no details.
[21:13] <nicomachus> sdskfguy: stop.
[21:13] <sdskfguy> Now you get no support from here on out. Try again tomorrow.
[21:13] <nicomachus> drop it.
[21:13] <sdskfguy> nicomachus: want to explain why x11 died after a reboot?
[21:13] <\9> sdskfguy: don't feed the trolls
[21:13] <sdskfguy> \9: ok
[21:14] <sdskfguy> Anyways I'm off to re-install windows.
[21:14] <\9> i just reinstalled ubuntu and am off to reboot :P
[21:14] <sdskfguy> Ubuntu was a massive trainwreck on my setup :| if anyone can suggest a mid range build that's linux friendly that would be greatly appreciated
[21:14] <sdskfguy> I'm just looking for working out of the box with Ubuntu with a moderate GPU
[21:15] <kostkon> sdskfguy, we've already heard your concerns at least twice already, let's end it here
[21:15] <nicomachus> sdskfguy: linux works on almost any hardware. I'm guessing in this case it was user error. a fresh install with a verified USB medium might be good.
[21:15] <\9> well, ubuntu kindly deals with all the hardware i put together
[21:15] <\9> can't help you with that
[21:15] <blackflow> *shrug* Works fine on all my machines.
[21:15] <sdskfguy> kostkon: ...
[21:15] <rmac> Haven't hit any hardware that wasn't compatible yet :-/
[21:15] <dStruct> walnutbeard: I would kindly recommend you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[21:15] <sdskfguy> nicomachus: no user error.
[21:15] <rexwin_> cat /etc/issue doesnot display ubuntu version and uname -a doesnot provide OS details. how to check OS version. I am told this is a ubuntu machine
[21:16] <sdskfguy> I installed using the same USB I used for this machine (thats running fine) installed steam played TF2, froze, rebooted, no x11.
[21:16] <rmac> rexwin_ /etc/issue doesn't have to display anything about the OS version.  It's there for boot messages, iirc
[21:17] <OerHeks> rexwin_,for 16.04 and up:  hostnamectl status
[21:17] <OerHeks> or any systemd install
[21:17] <sdskfguy> nicomachus: I'm looking for a gurented to work setup. My experiences so far have led me to believe I can only ever achieve that with Intel's iGPU
[21:18] <nicomachus> sdskfguy: my AMD GPU works fantastically.
[21:18] <sdskfguy> nicomachus: what gpu?
[21:18] <wedgie> sdskfguy: as does my nvidia 560Ti
[21:18] <sdskfguy> Also FOSS or prop?
[21:18] <nicomachus> Radeon HD 6450
[21:18] <sdskfguy> nicomachus: hah
[21:18] <dStruct> rexwin_: what does lsb_release -ir show you?
[21:18] <wedgie> using the prop drivers
[21:18] <sdskfguy> My R9 270x wants a talk with you nicomachus
[21:18] <wedgie> though it was perfectly functional with the free ones
[21:18] <sdskfguy> It performs much faster when it does work
[21:18] <gebjgd> sdskfguy, r9 270 works well with steam dota2
[21:19] <sdskfguy> gebjgd: radeon?
[21:19] <gebjgd> sdskfguy, whatever with prop driver or opensource driver
[21:19] <sdskfguy> gebjgd: radeon card
[21:19] <sdskfguy> or gigabyte, etc?
[21:19] <gebjgd> sdskfguy, yes
[21:19] <gebjgd> sdskfguy, [AMD/ATI] Curacao XT [Radeon R7 370 / R9 270X/370 OEM]
[21:20] <sdskfguy> gebjgd: that's a gigabyte
[21:20] <sdskfguy> I have a radeon
[21:20] <sdskfguy> sorry saphire*
[21:20] <sdskfguy> bleh
[21:20] <sdskfguy> Seems like saphire cards and Linux do not get along.
[21:20] <sdskfguy> ever.
[21:20] <younder> nop
[21:20] <sdskfguy> anways ill brb in a hour, I have to go get my spine xrayed to ensure I didn't slip a disk
[21:21] <sdskfguy> yay!
[21:21] <younder> go for ATI those are the most cooperative
[21:21] <sdskfguy> 21 and possibly fucked my spine.
[21:21] <gebjgd> sdskfguy, that is sapphire r9 270x
[21:22] <Cbs01> Hello gusy how is going how are you?
[21:22] <OerHeks> sdskfguy, please tone down,. keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[21:22] <younder> @!#!
[21:22] <nicomachus> no obfuscation either. :P
[21:22] <younder> cartoon enough now
[21:23] <younder> what the f#@!
[21:23] <nicomachus> younder: stop. obfuscation is also against the guidelines.
[21:23] <rexwin_> hostnamectl status gives the OS version of 16.0
[21:23] <kostkon> younder, it's the attitude that matters
[21:24] <younder> Ok I stop
[21:25] <younder> me wanna please massa.
[21:25] <Cbs01> Helllo...
[21:26] <rexwin_> my testing.sh contains the following line
[21:26] <rexwin_> sudo tar czf backup_etc_`date +%F`.tar.gz --exclude=/root/backup*.tar.gz --exclude=/media --exclude=/dev --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/tmp /etc
[21:26] <rexwin_> when I cron it doesn't run as expected
[21:26] <Ben64> because of the sudo
[21:26] <rexwin_> why Ben64?
[21:27] <Ben64> because it needs a password
[21:27] <bekks> rexwin_: because you are a) using sudo and b) not using a full path to the tar binary.
[21:27] <rmac> sudo crontab -e and add that to the root user's cron job list
[21:27] <bekks> rexwin_: create that cronjob as root, not as user.
[21:27] <rmac> But without sudo
[21:27] <rexwin_> I want tp run this as a particular user. can't we do that in ubuntu?
[21:27] <rexwin_> to*
[21:27] <Ben64> why does it matter
[21:27] <wedgie> rexwin_: you probably also want to specify a full path for where backup_etc_xxx.tar.gz is created
[21:28] <Ben64> you're trying to get root permissions anyway
[21:28] <rmac> rexwin_ you can, but you added "sudo" to the script which is then requesting to run as root.
[21:29] <rmac> rexwin_ each user has their own cron job list, so you can add the command as whichever user you want.  Removing sudo from your script will cause it to run as the user whose crontab you added the command to
[21:29] <rexwin_> because the tar commands only runs as sudo and it throws permission denied if run without sudo
[21:29] <bekks> rexwin_: so run them as root, from within the root crontab. without sudo.
[21:30] <Inporylem> Hows Kodi on ubuntu mate these days, never tried but heard it had quite many problems at the beginning.
[21:31] <rexwin_> can't we pass the password along with the tar command so that sudo runs without issues?
[21:31] <Ben64> why not run it under root's cron?
[21:31] <bekks> rexwin_: No.
[21:31] <nicomachus> rexwin_: that's just an unnecessarily complicated way to do it, even if it would work
[21:31] <dStruct> rexwin_: using sudo in a cron script is probably a bad idea
[21:31] <wedgie> rexwin_: if you want to get really crazy you can modify the sudoers config to not require a password... but really you should just run this as root.
[21:32] <rexwin_> because my colleague wants it like that
[21:32] <Ben64> tell your colleague they are wrong
[21:32] <ducasse> rexwin_: then he's wrong :)
[21:32] <nicomachus> well your colleague is an idiot
[21:32] <wedgie> there is *no* benefit to running as an arbitrary user if they just have to sudo it
[21:32] <rexwin_> copy that
[21:32] <dStruct> rexwin_: I agree with well.. everyone, your colleague is wrong
[21:33] <rmac> rexwin_ or you could do something equally crazy and change the permissions on the folders you're trying to access or add your user to a group that has correct permissions... But adding this to root's cron is much better
[21:34] <rmac> Inporylem: Kodi is pretty stable on Ubuntu.  Haven't tried it using Mate DE, though.
[21:34] <Inporylem> Ok
[21:35] <rexwin_> thanks to the lively bunch of people
[21:35] <dStruct> rexwin_: you know there's a backup user and group?
[21:35] <rexwin_> not that I have across. I am essentially a LAMP admin who is just starting up
[21:36] <rmac> rexwin_ nothing to do with the permissions thing, but you may want to check out the rsync command for backups.  Not sure if it helps your use case.
[21:37] <rexwin_> I have used rsync before in my website development company. Now I donot have a chance to use it
[21:38] <bekks> rexwin_: do you have ssh access?
[21:38] <dStruct> rexwin_: multiple servers, or just single server deployments?  Have you seen Docker?  it's god
[21:38] <rexwin_> for what?
[21:38] <bekks> rexwin_: for accessing your systems using ssh.
[21:38] <dStruct> rexwin_: scp can be used to backups
[21:39] <rexwin_> yes of course
[21:39] <bekks> rexwin_: then you can use rsync, since it uses ssh.
[21:39] <rexwin_> is systemd implemented in ubuntu 14.06?
[21:40] <wedgie> rexwin_: ... do you mean 14.04 or 16.04?
[21:40] <rexwin_> I know it is in 16.04
[21:41] <nacc> rexwin_: wedgie asked that because "14.06" isn't anything
[21:41] <dStruct> rexwin_: on my 16.x install it's service is stopped
[21:41] <rmac> 14.04 used upstart
[21:41] <Cbs01> I need help i it dif >linux mint < & ubuntu distro
[21:42] <bekks> Cbs01: can you rephrase that please?
[21:45] <Bvelcas> Alguien que hable español ?
[21:45] <Pici> !es | Bvelcas
[21:46] <rexwin_> how to check what services are starting up along with the system in 14.x?
[21:47] <OerHeks> Cbs01, comparing package versions? have fun >> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint --- https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[21:48] <clorisu> Hi, my epson xp 220 printer allows me to print pages, but whenever i try to scan I get the error messages 'no scanners available'
[22:00] <pacovc> how long does it usually take for ubuntu to update the repositories to programs like firefox that release their upgrades? for instance firefox 50 upgrade.
[22:03] <dStruct> rexwin_: it looks like Ubuntu 15.x and on is now systemd, and prior was upstart, at least that's what the website says
[22:04] <ducasse> pacovc: firefox is usually updated within a matter of days.
[22:04] <pacovc> cool.. thanks ducasse
[22:04] <rexwin_> sudo service --status-all show the following thing https://www.dropbox.com/s/t4031mxqpj6vuaz/Screenshot%202016-11-18%2003.34.04.png?dl=0
[22:05] <rexwin_> what does question mark indicate?
[22:05] <drown> Hey does anyone know where I can get a good pdf for Apache2 administration that's for UBUNTU syntax
[22:05] <bekks> drown: docs.apache.org :)
[22:05] <drown> They have ubuntu specific pdfs?
[22:05] <drown> And does it matter if it's 1104 vs 14.04?
[22:05] <nicomachus> drown: 1104?
[22:06] <bekks> drown: you dont need ubuntu specific pdfs for apache ;)
[22:06] <nicomachus> You shouldn't be using 11.04
[22:06] <drown> I know i know
[22:06] <drown> I'm using 14.04
[22:06] <drown> But some of the terminology is diff on a ubuntu/deb vs rpm system
[22:06] <ducasse> drown: the ubuntu server guide has the ubuntu specific details
[22:06] <bekks> drown: only the package names are.
[22:07] <drown> yeah but control commands are different
[22:07] <drown> like service apache2 vs systmctl httpd
[22:08] <dStruct> rexwin_: 14.x used upstart which is not the same as systemd (aka service command), I don't know of a way off hand to find out what all is supposed to start on bootup, but upstart uses /etc/init.d/ so you could grep in there for runlevel, and maybe check /etc/rc3.d/ too
[22:09] <lalbantuuu> hi, when i try to systemctl start tor.service in ubuntu 16.10 it doesn't work, with systemctl status i see active (exited), what's the problem?
[22:12] <lalbantuuu> anyone?
[22:13] <dStruct> lalbantuuu: what does sudo service tor.service start do?
[22:13] <OerHeks> that runs as user
[22:13] <OerHeks> try with sudo
[22:13] <lalbantuuu> ofc i ran with sudo
[22:13] <lalbantuuu> it didn't work
[22:14] <lalbantuuu> i get active (exited)
[22:14] <lalbantuuu> dStruct: let me see
[22:14] <iptraf> Hi, I  try to use iptraf in lubuntu but it doesn't see my interface, only Lo. It's called enp0s3.
[22:14] <OerHeks> are you sure it is not running? ss -aln | grep 9050
[22:15] <lalbantuuu> tcp    LISTEN     0      128    <IP_ADDRESS>:9050                  *:*
[22:15] <lalbantuuu> does that mean it is already running?
[22:15] <OerHeks> yes
[22:16] <lalbantuuu> so it seems it started on its own
[22:16] <lalbantuuu> on my other computer where i have another distribution
[22:16] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tor#Starting_Services_and_Checking_Status
[22:16] <lalbantuuu> i have to start it on my own
[22:17] <lalbantuuu> okay so why doesn't it stop
[22:17] <lalbantuuu> when i do sudo systemctl stop tor.service?
[22:17] <OerHeks>  what does journalctl say?
[22:19] <lalbantuuu> it says stopped
[22:19] <lalbantuuu> i checked that earlier
[22:19] <lalbantuuu> let me just restart
[22:19] <lalbantuuu> this whole session has been very buggy
[22:24] <WTWW_> I am very new to Ubuntu and I went to the Software tab in the menu.  I found a program or app that I wanted to try. It then told me that I had to joint Ubuntu One. So I did all it said for me to join.  All the programs that require Ubuntu One will not accept my password or log in.  I even delted my account and started over again with a new name.  Strangely enough I am a talk show host and a number of listeners have had the same problem.
[22:24] <lalbantuuu> ok so before restarting i ran sudo systemctl enable tor.service and rebooted
[22:24] <lalbantuuu> with your command i can see that it listens on port 9050
[22:24] <WTWW_> I am thinking I am just to stupid to figure out something very simple.
[22:24] <lalbantuuu> but systemctl status tor.service still shows active (exited)
[22:27] <OerHeks> WTWW_, ubuntu-one is a different account, youneed to register online first, it is not your ubuntu login
[22:28] <lalbantuuu> OerHeks, do you have any idea why this is happening?
[22:28] <WTWW_> OerHeks  Thank you so very much... where do I register online...? if you would be so kind?
[22:28] <lalbantuuu> WTWW_: just google ubuntu online
[22:29] <WTWW_> Thank you!  I ask myself every day.. what if there was no Google?  LOL
[22:29] <lalbantuuu> just google ubuntu one online*
[22:29] <OerHeks> https://login.ubuntu.com/
[22:32] <WTWW_> That is the page where I logged in and got a user account and I can log into that page and see my account information just fine with the user and pass. However when I select an app or program to download it will not accept my log in.
[22:33] <WTWW_> I tried deleting the account and then setting up a different account and it does the same thing will not accept my log in
[22:33] <WTWW_> is there an addtional Ubuntu log in or another place to register a user name?
[22:34] <nacc> WTWW_: what is not accepting your log in?
[22:34] <WTWW_> Ubuntu One
[22:34] <nacc> WTWW_: I don't understand? you just said that you are able to see your account information? meaning you are logged in
[22:35] <nacc> WTWW_: what specific page are you trying to login to that doesn't accept your login?
[22:36] <WTWW_> Yes Ubuntu one will let me log in just fine from the web page.  When I go to download a piece of software from the Unbuntu software repository that is accesed throught he Ubuntu Menu the Ubuntu One screeen pops up and it rejects my log in
[22:37] <nacc> WTWW_: "Ubuntu Software Repository", do you mean "Ubuntu Software Center"?
[22:37] <WTWW_> yes
[22:37] <nacc> WTWW_: that has *nothing* to do with Ubuntu One
[22:37] <OerHeks> paid app, i guess
[22:37] <nacc> WTWW_: what software are you trying to install?
[22:38] <nacc> WTWW_: I should say, for most people, that has nothing to do with Ubuntu One :)
[22:40] <WTWW_> Spreedme is the name of the program
[22:41] <kostkon> WTWW_, what's the error message in the popup?
[22:41] <WTWW_> if I try to download the Ubuntu One box pops up wanting me to log in
[22:41] <nacc> WTWW_: ah, so as OerHeks said, a non-free application.
[22:42] <nacc> WTWW_: as kostkon said, what, if any, error message is printed
[22:42] <WTWW_> incorrect user name or password
[22:42] <kostkon> nacc, more like 3rd-party vendor app not necessarily a paid one
[22:42] <sdskfguy> Question
[22:42] <sdskfguy> Anyone know of a good Linux supported GPU?
[22:42] <nacc> kostkon: err, yes, sorry
[22:42] <sdskfguy> Soemthing other than intel's iGPU
[22:42] <ducasse> nacc: a snap, also.
[22:43] <nacc> kostkon: although that one is specifically non-free :)
[22:43] <nacc> ducasse: oh, all snaps require login, that's true
[22:43]  * nacc amends mental model
[22:43]  * sdskfguy sits here sad that his i7 2670m is old
[22:43] <WTWW_> same log in screen rejects my user and pass yet from the web the same screen works fine as far as log in
[22:43]  * sdskfguy sits here sad that he can't afford to build a new intel rig yet but needs to plan
[22:44] <WTWW_> how would you pay for it?  you can't log in ?  I am lost..   I ask because I have ported some, and the bash (version I’m on is default for the latest), and my nested source (AKA .)  includes not longer work.  My variables are instantiated like so:  TEST=“test” and use them:  echo ${TEST}
[22:45] <sdskfguy> kostkon: no
[22:46] <sdskfguy> HP docks
[22:46] <kostkon> sdskfguy, oh right, laptop docks
[22:46] <WTWW_> I am using it because I found it in the menu.  New to Ubuntu and exploring I thought that was supposed to be a good thing
[22:46] <sdskfguy> I'm thinking about using my laptop as a desktop
[22:46] <sdskfguy> It has more horsepower...
[22:47] <nacc> multiverse: are you sure you aren't mistakenly using sh instead of bash in Ubuntu?
[22:47] <nacc> multiverse: i've not heard of many issues with bash portability between distributions
[22:47] <nacc> multiverse: it would be good to pastebin an example and its corresponding incorrect output
[22:48] <multiverse> I promise I echo $0
[22:48] <multiverse> err
[22:48] <multiverse> ps $$
[22:48] <multiverse> it is /bin/bash
[22:48] <multiverse> for sure
[22:49] <WTWW_> I would think for an experianced Untuntu user this would be a common or simple problem and as I am totally green to this I would hope I am doing something wrong that could be fixed..
[22:49] <multiverse> In my os detection I test (and proven it works) for Ubuntu, and populate using constants like the one I first mentions.
[22:49] <nacc> WTWW_: try using 'gnome software', i htink it's preferred now?
[22:50] <multiverse> sure
[22:50] <OerHeks> paid apps are gone, iirc
[22:50] <nacc> multiverse: please just use a pastebin as requested, text doesn't really help show the problem
[22:50] <multiverse> sorry about the racket
[22:50] <WTWW_> I thought Ubuntu installed with Gnome?  Wonder what the heck I am runnning here?
[22:51] <nacc> WTWW_: there are two software GUIs by default, "gnome software" and "ubuntu software center". THe latter is deprecated, even though it's present.
[22:51] <nacc> WTWW_: try using hte former; on my system it shows up as "software" (rather than "ubuntu software center")
[22:52] <WTWW_> It shows up as just software on my box as well... oh well... someday LOL
[22:53] <Bashing-om> WTWW_: There are about 20 Desk tops in 'buntu .. to know what you are running try terninal copmmand ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' .
[22:53] <WTWW_> $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ubuntustudio   XFCE
[22:54] <Bashing-om> WTWW_: There ya go .. now ya know . ( I do favor xfce :) )
[22:55] <WTWW_> I engineer for a group of Nashville radio stations and we "family" runs a very large shortwave facility here in the Nashville area..we are trying to eliminate all Windows boxes....
[22:57] <Bashing-om> WTWW_: ^ Then ya also want to register on the ubuntuforums.org forum :)
[22:57] <WTWW_> I thought I did that as well... LOL.... I am the reason for the word stupid... LOL
[22:58] <WTWW_> Need you to get some folks together to come on my radio show each night on WTWW and talk about Utuntu and Linux..huge huge audiance
[22:59] <WTWW_> Lots of Windows users like me ready to jump off the boat....
[22:59] <WTWW_> they just need a little push
[22:59] <Bashing-om> WTWW_: That my friend is off-topic for this the support channel . takes away from the focus .
[23:00] <WTWW_> I am gone.  this is why Linux is viewed by thousands as a slide rule think glasses bunch ... tune in tonight on wtww... I will talk about it. wont be back here
[23:03] <peyam> hi
[23:04] <peyam> Autocompletation in Latexila has stopped working. anyone knows what to do to get it back?
[23:05] <lory> ciauu a  tutti
[23:06] <peyam> huh?
[23:15] <multiverse> Hi again, I’m back with a pastebin!  http://pastebin.com/7bE1r67B
[23:16] <Guest98315> guys, I could take audio player recommendations. I'm looking for something that supports opus and embedded lyrics(and optionally videogame music formats like spc)
[23:19] <porkstore> hej
[23:19] <porkstore> anyone let me know if this is an inappropriate question
[23:19] <porkstore> wondering should i be able to set up an ubuntu machine to be relatively ddos proof ?
[23:20] <compdoc> ban him!!
[23:20] <porkstore> i secure my web servers from some ddos attacks
[23:20] <compdoc> jk :)
[23:20] <freakyy> hey all, im going to set up ubuntu server on a hybrid system. 2 ssds 356GB  SW-RAID1, 2HDDs 1TB - SW-RAID1 ... how much should i allocate for the SSD /boot?
[23:20] <porkstore> but i mean just a machine dedicated to ircing
[23:20] <porkstore> i got ddossed earlier and i'm not even running apache
[23:25] <usr13> freakyy: 100M
[23:25] <lordcirth> 500M might be safer
[23:26] <lordcirth> Seeing as I just autoremoved all but the running kernel and /boot is 117M
[23:27] <SPeedY> lordcirth 500M will save you some trouble in the future
[23:27] <usr13> freakyy: You may see kernels as large as 8 or 10M.  I doubt you'll keep more that 3 or 4
[23:28] <freakyy> ok ill use 500MB
[23:29] <usr13> I don't see any need for more than 2.
[23:29] <SPeedY> @porkstore nothing is 100%, specially protecting from ddos, best you could do is get a good firewall "an old asa goes for less than 150 on ebay"
[23:30] <porkstore> it's just a cheap vps
[23:30] <SPeedY> @usr13 you are correct, but if you can't afford to waste 500M then you shouldn't be building servers
[23:30] <SPeedY> if unix then IP tables is your best friend
[23:31] <SPeedY> load fail2ban and set low restriction "but you may ban legitimiate users, lol"
[23:31] <lordcirth> porkstore, just note that there can be no defense on your end against someone simply filling your inbound pipe
[23:32] <lordcirth> Only the ISP can blackhole that
[23:32] <usr13> I don't use a separate /boot/ partition.  Just /home and / and swap
[23:32] <lordcirth> me too ^
[23:33] <porkstore> so basically any ircer in romania or something can ddos me and i can't really prevent it
[23:33] <porkstore> isp blackholes my whole vps instead
[23:33] <usr13> And I use 80 - 100G for /
[23:34] <lordcirth> porkstore, yup.  welcome to the internet of things.
[23:34] <usr13> freakyy: What kind of server are you building?
[23:34] <SPeedY> @porkstore a 6 years old kid can dos from his mom cellphone and there's shit you can do about it
[23:35] <freakyy> usr13: its a private server it runs several things
[23:35] <usr13> Ok, it's private ;)
[23:35] <porkstore> well that's okay as long as i realize that
[23:35] <porkstore> then i won't feel like a dumkopf
[23:50] <amine> hello
[23:50] <OerHeks>
[23:51] <TomyWork> nacc https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1382490/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all looks like the build failed to upload :/
[23:51] <freakyy> usr13: why r u asking?
[23:51] <freakyy> i mean, its a private server with plesk, webspace, minecraft servers, ts3 server and so on ;D