[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[21:42] <belkinsa> jose: ping
[21:43] <jose> belkinsa: pong
[21:44] <belkinsa> Question: I'm planning to work on the draft of the Ubuntu Hour page again, but I don't know if the term "video/audio" is the correct one for that method.  If so, what is the term?
[21:45] <jose> belkinsa: I think audio/video is the usual, or AV
[21:45] <jose> although we usually say calls :P
[21:45] <belkinsa> Alright, thank you.
[21:45] <jose> to you :)
[22:10] <belkinsa> jose, mind if I PM you for the same reason as you PMed the last time
[22:10] <jose> no worries, go ahead
[22:10] <jose> no need to ask :)


[07:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Endangered Species Day! :-D
[17:40] <pmjdebruijn> hey
[17:40] <dobey> hi
[17:40] <pmjdebruijn> is the zip download feature still not up?
[17:40] <pmjdebruijn> since all files will be wiped in two weeks :s
[17:42] <dobey> all files won't be wiped in two weeks
[17:43] <pmjdebruijn> oh?
[17:43] <dobey> only client connections via storageprotocol will be disabled in 2 weeks
[17:43] <pmjdebruijn> oh right
[17:43] <pmjdebruijn> but webaccess will remain?
[17:43] <dobey> yes
[17:43] <dobey> for another month or two iirc
[17:44]  * dobey doesn't remember the date for "we'll delete the files"
[17:45] <dobey> but i thought it was july 31


[03:08] <demophobia> Why was that _Xenial_Xerus_ guy banned from #ubuntu?
[03:29] <krytarik> demophobia: I see you also asked in #ubuntu-offtopic and already got an answer there - now please notice that this channel has a no-idle policy.
[03:34] <demophobia> 'k. i was hoping for more of an answer.
[03:34] <demophobia> have a good night


[00:01] <Bashing-om> coffee More here :P
[00:11] <guiverc> i fear "We’re given details of what is wanted, and involved, and" is awkward... (installer usability)..   we could s/and involved/involved/ which may help
[00:14] <guiverc> suggest s/as well as the Ubuntu Community Council governance/as well as Ubuntu Community Council governance/  (drop a 'the') ; Merlijn's UCC post
[00:15] <guiverc> grrr. quotes are inconsistent... fix ` 'kickstarting Ubuntu Matrix Governance" `
[00:15]  * guiverc smiles as "Profuse"... I've not heard/read that word in ages (decades maybe)
[00:23] <guiverc> MarkS' post.. s/and .as well,/and ,as well,/  (but I wonder if that wording is awkward..  but its maybe just regional speech patterns..
[00:24] <guiverc> (i've noted 2x mm-dd,yy & 3 so far of yy-mm-yy dates .. it would be better if consistent throughout)
[00:25]  * guiverc returned to using my local date pattern I think as it saved a 'comma'
[00:27] <guiverc> is the [final] "s"  needed on "Ubuntu 24.04 LTS’s" ??   as I recall english (at school) I always had that crossed out in red texta
[00:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Brain impediment in LTS’s - edited to be LTSes - thi seems correect usage to me.
[00:32] <guiverc> whatever you reackon... I barely passed english (remember tons of red on whatever I submitted)
[00:34] <Bashing-om> maw re-read now does not read as right :( maybe drop plurality all together.
[00:34] <guiverc> [00:35] <guiverc> ooops, we do have a Ubuntu 23.10 Updates later on; with only End of Life: July 2024 present... mantic needs a touch of tlc
[00:35] <guiverc> (paste likely a little high in doc)
[00:36]  * guiverc at bottom; ^ my thoughts or what I saw..
[00:36] <guiverc> looks good
[00:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Mantic updates screw-up is a result of me screwing up my script and not playing attention to the fixing in the page :(
[00:44] <guiverc> the content (what matters to me) got there... just a little less ideal formatting wise (and i don't always notice that anyway)
[00:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Saved and out - Now if ya want to make all the date formats consistent - feel free :D
[00:46] <guiverc> ack.. will scan again & see if it worries me (I doubt people will notice.. i comment on what I see/notice as i try & read using 'blank' mind  (the blank mind is easy for me actually :) )
[00:48] <guiverc> we'll have to edit anyway; s/Ubyntu/Ubuntu/   (reading still for now)
[00:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: A blank mind - I can only wish for such ! Dogs/cats/TV/children/grandchildren/wife <- demands on thoughts are endless !
[00:51] <guiverc> Ubuntu 23.10 Updates ### [00:51] <Bashing-om> Grrrr
[00:52] <guiverc> also mantic has two headings, & two EOL (a choice of April 2027 or July 2024)
[00:52] <guiverc> I'll edit....
[00:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: When I screw up - I screw up in fine fashion :P
[00:54] <guiverc> it was done in a way that made it easier to detect though; that's positive maybe.
[00:57]  * guiverc out.. about to review
[00:57] <guiverc> (I changed date formats too)
[00:58] <guiverc> grrr. back in (missed 31 March 2024)
[00:59]  * guiverc out again & switching to review
[01:00]  * guiverc is happy... looks good to me
[01:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - I look once more when things settle out for the evening.
[01:03] <guiverc> ack & thanks Bashing-om
[01:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks be to your sharp eyes and the willingness to use them :D
[01:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Scarlett Gately Moore: Kubuntu: Week 3 wrap up, Contest! KDE snaps, Debian uploads. @ https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/kubuntu-week-3-wrap-up-contest-kde-snaps-debian-uploads/
[01:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Jonathan Riddell: Plasma Pass 1.2.2 @ https://jriddell.org/2024/02/25/plasma-pass-1-2-2/
[04:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 828 re-reread done - in the words of krytarik - lgtm :)
[21:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling WIP/Comments/WIKI - cleanups -- Will start the push soonest.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - doing the Forums posting next.
[21:49] <guiverc> ack.  will get to it shortly
[22:03] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/02/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-828/
[22:04] <guiverc> (I think I missed a fullstop after issue week..    grrr  (petty)
[22:05]  * guiverc edited & added the fullstop.
[22:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Trying to keep up with a the Ts to be dotted and all the I's we dot - Attention to detail :P
[22:11] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums posting done - will do a Mastodon blog next.
[22:19] <guiverc> uwn 828 pushed to twitter, (mewe), telegram  (just saw Nils posted it to "Ubuntu Discussion" on matrix)
[22:40] <guiverc> tor-browser isn't working for me here.. i'll have to push to fb later..  (from another box)
[22:41] <Bashing-om> UWN: Mastodon bloged - Making up 829 next.
[23:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: 829 off and running :D
[23:15] <guiverc> I noted :)


[12:17] <sjoerd> daniels: mwoah, dualhead works ! :)
[12:17] <daniels> sjoerd: sweet!  with the benh patch, or?
[12:18] <sjoerd> yeah
[12:18] <sjoerd> there are some issues.. but basically it works
[12:19] <daniels> awesome
[12:55] <tseng> oh my, rich burridge has taken planet gnome by storm
[12:59] <chrisa> Looks like most of his semi recent posts are being shown
[01:25] <mojo_> arg..
[01:26] <mojo_> hope u guys release a beta disk soon
[01:26] <mojo_> cause sometimes when I test the program
[01:26] <mojo_> or update new program
[01:26] <mojo_> whole thing breaks (I know it will break)
[01:26] <mojo_> then I reinstall the Ubuntu Warty and update all over again
[01:26] <mojo_> it consumes lots of time
[01:57] <bob2> erm
[01:58] <bob2> the reinstall step sounds like your problem there...
[02:31] <tseng> yeah im not sure what the point of that is
[02:32] <tseng> but there is a beta installer posted to the ml
[02:57] <mojo_> tseng: beta installer ??? where? can u pls show me?
[02:59] <mojo_> I just have Novell Linux Desktop installed, it runs much slower compare to Ubuntu but I still love its theme. Is there any chance we adopt their Industrial theme for GDM, bootsplash and other stuff?
[02:59] <bob2> it's certainly possible, but I don't think looking identical to Novell is in the plan
[03:01] <mojo_> bob2: while developing Human theme, i think we can use Novell Industrial as default theme
[03:02] <bob2> why?
[03:03] <tseng> mojo_: no, you can find the mailing list archives for yourself
[03:05] <tseng> the subject is Array CD 1
[03:06] <bob2> if hoary is making your system unusable, tho, make sure you're filing bugs :)
[03:58] <sivang> darn, hoary-changes is getting spam alreayd ?
[04:11] <sladen> bob2: jdub's Ubuntu theme was(?) called 'indubstrial' IIRC
[05:03] <bob2> hm, sure iit's not a TYPO?
[06:25] <mojo_> hehe, hi all ppl
[06:26] <mojo_> I just copy all theme and artwork files from Novell Desktop to Ubuntu
[06:26] <mojo_> it works perfectly
[06:26] <mojo_> and the theme is so so so called master piece of art
[06:27] <mojo_> is it possible to use Novell theme in Hoary without encountering any legal issues??
[07:45] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:10] <mojo_> good monring
[08:10] <mojo_> how's ur progress fabbi?
[08:11] <fabbione> mojo_: progress about what?
[08:17] <mojo_> X.org
[08:18] <fabbione> it's in hoary
[08:18] <fabbione> since a almost a week
[08:18] <mojo_> i know
[08:18] <mojo_> it runs well
[08:18] <fabbione> well there is not much more than xfree86
[08:18] <fabbione> they are the same sources'
[08:18] <mojo_> true
[08:19] <mojo_> true
[08:19] <fabbione> we are just waiting for people to realize that :-)
[08:19] <mojo_> yeah
[08:19] <mojo_> can u explain to me this:
[08:19] <fabbione> "hey i updated to X.org but nothing changed.. is that normal?"
[08:19] <bob2> fabbione: composite is too slow!
[08:19] <mojo_> as I read in the Linux Certification Book by HaddyLo Publisher
[08:20] <fabbione> bob2: known problem.
[08:20] <fabbione> bob2: composite is a) buggy b) slow
[08:20] <mojo_> they said Xfree86 was created as GNU to server all Linux community
[08:20] <fabbione> bob2: that's an upstream very well known issue
[08:20] <mojo_> and to do same thing as another X server
[08:20] <bob2> xfree86 was not created by gnu
[08:21] <bob2> gnu adopted it as their window system, tho
[08:21] <bob2> but continue to argue about the license
[08:21] <mojo_> but how come recently they announce not to be free at some point anymore?
[08:21] <fabbione> xfree86 was born at the MIT.
[08:21] <bob2> (mit/x11 one, not the BRaVe New License idiocy)
[08:21] <mojo_> do Xfre886 want to kill themselve?
[08:21] <bob2> mojo_: apparently they do
[08:21] <fabbione> mojo_: it's all written in the FAQ
[08:21] <mojo_> i c
[08:21] <bob2> mojo_: people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/
[08:21] <mojo_> poor little pathetic Xfree86
[08:21] <fabbione> it's in the packages too
[08:22] <fabbione> no it's not xfree86 fault
[08:22] <fabbione> it's fault of Dawe >something>
[08:22] <fabbione>  /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.xhtml.gz
[08:22] <bob2> ah
[08:22] <fabbione> it should be updated enough to report all the crap that happened to xfree86
[08:23] <mojo_> i understand now
[08:23] <mojo_> thx
[08:26] <mojo_> fabbione: I just grab the latest Industrial theme from Novell Linux Desktop
[08:26] <mojo_> fabbione: I want to pack it up but I'm not really sure whether Ubuntu allow to use it or not
[08:28] <fabbione> mojo_: it depends from the licence
[08:30] <mojo_> fabbione: I don't find any documents related to this
[08:30] <mojo_> fabbione: but I think if Industrial is used in Ubuntu then new Industrial theme is OK too
[08:30] <fabbione> iirc we had to revert to an older version because of licence issues
[08:30] <fabbione> you need to talk with...
[08:31] <mojo_> ?
[08:31] <mojo_> pitt?
[08:31] <fabbione> probably jdub
[08:31] <mojo_> jdub
[08:31] <mojo_> ok
[08:32] <mojo_> thx
[08:46] <jblack> Am I the only guy that has a problem with firefox getting stuck for 20-30 seconds at a time, and crashing every few dozen forms?
[08:47] <bob2> hh
[09:03] <mojo_> http://opax.swin.edu.au/~2529386/ABC.png
[09:08] <bob2> heh, swinburne
[09:08] <mojo_> yeh
[09:09] <daniels> unimelb pride
[09:09] <daniels> fabbione: David Dawes
[10:17] <VileScum> Hi, I've been mirroring ubuntu in Australia for a while now and have listed my mirror on the wiki, how do I go about getting it listed on the mirror page, I've emailed the address listed but have had no response
[10:31] <mojo_> what version OOo is that of Novell Linux Desktop? I mean the one that has some GTKFileChoose conversion code. I want to see that version in Hoary.
[01:04] <mojo_> where are u pitti???
[02:54] <trulux> hey
[03:06] <trulux> does anybody hear for the meeting on #debian-hardened?
[03:09] <mvo_> any arch gurus available?
[03:09] <bob2> mvo_: jah
[03:10] <mvo_> cool!
[03:10] <mvo_> here's my questions:
[03:10] <mvo_> if I branch of say apt--MAIN--0 (branchname: apt--mvo--0)
[03:10] <mvo_> and now I'm in apt--mvo--0, how do I get the missing patch ? tla missing?
[03:11] <bob2> "tla missing apt--MAIN--0" will show what's missing
[03:11] <bob2> star-merge is how you bring them
[03:11] <bob2> in
[03:11] <mvo_> is there a way to make "apt--MAIN--0" the default param for tla misssing?
[03:12] <bob2> not in baz or  tla, unfortunately
[03:13] <mvo_> can I request a whishlist item for this ;) ?
[03:13] <bob2> hehe, sure
[03:14] <mvo_> ok, tla misssing apt--MAIN--0 tells me: "not a directory ($PATH/{arch}/apt--MAIN--0)
[03:14] <mvo_> but apt--MAIN--0 lives on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:14] <mvo_> is there something wrong with my branch :( ?
[03:14] <bob2> tla missing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:14] <mvo_> that's a pretty long name ...
[03:15] <bob2> yeah
[03:15] <bob2> this is the sort of thing we're looking at for baz
[03:15] <mvo_> I'm pretty new to arch, but do people really type all this in? no shortcuts?
[03:15] <bob2> well, I use my shell history
[03:16] <mvo_> ok :)
[03:16] <bob2> probably just "ctrl-r apt@a<enter>" for me
[03:16] <mvo_> thanks!
[03:16] <bob2> you might want to start creating shell aliases :-)
[03:16] <mvo_> yeah :)
[03:16] <bob2> but yeah, it does suck, sorry :-/
[03:17] <mvo_> I'll proably need help resolving conflicts in a minute, stay tuned :P
[03:17] <bob2> heh, sure
[03:18] <mvo_> does a arch branch always has exactly one ancestor? or can you have more than one?
[03:18] <bob2> well...it's kinda complicated
[03:18] <bob2> you can create a tree that is made up of two branches on top of each other
[03:19] <bob2> and you can branch *into* one branch more than once
[03:19] <bob2> but normally, yes, they only have one ancestor
[03:19] <bob2> heh
[03:19] <bob2> in the common case, "yes, only one ancestor" :-)
[03:20] <mvo_> well, I was wondering if the default for "tla missing" should be the ancestor then :)
[03:20] <bob2> ah
[03:20] <bob2> well, good point, but another common use is the current default, "what am I missing from the current branch"
[03:20] <bob2> tho I'd bet your suggestion is more common
[03:21] <mvo_> the other variant is used when you just check out a branch?
[03:22] <mvo_> maybe a shortcut command like "tla missing-ancestor" (none will notice one more command ;)
[03:22] <bob2> hahaa
[03:22] <mvo_> anyway, I have a bunch of conlicts of in po files. with svn I usually just delete them and check them out again. can I do that with tla as well?
[03:22] <bob2> there're a few commands that could do with defaulting to the ancestor
[03:23] <mvo_> cool! go for it :)
[03:23] <bob2> hm, no, deleting files will not get tla to revert them
[03:23] <bob2> which side of the merge do you want to keep?
[03:24] <mvo_> the upstream branch side
[03:26] <RubenV> latest in universe is .10, release is .11
[03:26] <RubenV> build files are in the release so it shouldn't be a problem
[03:26] <bob2> RubenV: is it in sid yet?
[03:26] <RubenV> my laptop freezes when probing ndis on boot, hopefully .11 fixes it
[03:26] <bob2> mvo_: hrm
[03:26] <RubenV> absolutely no idea
[03:26] <bob2> packages.debian.org/ndiswrapper
[03:26] <bob2> "resync" = "pull from debian"
[03:28] <RubenV> it's called ndiswrapper-utils i think
[03:28] <RubenV> sec :)
[03:28] <RubenV> seems like it's nowhere around :)
[03:40] <mvo_> bob2: so this is a problem :) ?
[03:40] <bob2> mvo_: yeah, I'm trying to find a simple solution :-/
[03:40] <mvo_> oh, thanks a lot
[03:41] <mvo_> IIRC I read something about it on the wiki
[03:42] <mvo_> https://www.warthogs.hbd.com/ArchGripes#head-ff25fda502c4401e3f6240b17111ec50f623aa84
[04:37] <mojo_> yay! Novell Edition of OOo is awesome!
[05:52] <RubenV> Package esound was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[05:52] <RubenV> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `esound.pc'
[05:52] <RubenV> is there an esound-dev pkg of some kind?
[05:53] <paulproteus> libesd0-dev ?
[05:53] <azeem> RubenV: which package are you building?
[05:54] <RubenV> i'm checking out the vu meter work by rodney dawes
[05:54] <RubenV> paulproteus: aha, i was searching for esound
[05:54] <RubenV> thanks
[05:54] <paulproteus> RubenV: Sure thing.  The Enlightened Sound Daemon's internal name is esd; Debian calls it esound.
[05:55] <azeem> or try polypaudio
[05:55] <RubenV> gentoo calls it esound too :)
[05:55] <paulproteus> Yes, polypaudio does a lot less sucking than esd a lot of the time.
[05:55] <paulproteus> There's another package called esd; I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.
[05:55] <RubenV> azeem: i try to stay close to the main ubuntu dist
[05:56] <azeem> RubenV: hoary switched to polypaudio, AFAIK
[05:57] <RubenV> i'm on hoary and i'm not having any polyp* installed yet
[05:57] <azeem> hmm
[05:57] <RubenV> weird :)
[05:57] <azeem> what about libpolyp*?
[05:58] <RubenV> nothing
[05:58] <mjg59> It's in universe
[05:58] <mjg59> Not in supported
[06:07] <Mitario> lo all
[06:17] <mvo_> hi Mitario
[06:17] <mvo_> I uploaded a new version of the update-manager
[06:17] <mvo_> some small tweaks, like desktop file and icon and a small bugfix
[06:17] <mvo_> you may want to sync it with your repository
[06:17] <mvo_> :)
[06:18] <Mitario> yeah indeed :)
[06:18] <Mitario> any word from kerneljanitors? :)
[06:18] <mvo_> the icon is not uebernice, if you have a cool idea, just change it
[06:18] <mvo_> unfortunatelly not yet :(
[06:18] <Mitario> :(
[06:18] <mvo_> gustavo was not onlne all day
[06:19] <Mitario> ok np
[06:19] <Mitario> * tree is already up to date :)
[06:19] <mvo_> otherwise I would have nagged him :)
[06:19] <mvo_> tla?
[06:19] <Mitario> yeah
[06:19] <mvo_> give me a second
[06:19] <Mitario> ok
[06:20] <Mitario> :)
[06:22] <mvo_> arrgggs, mirrored wrong repostitory
[06:22] <mvo_> can you please tla update?
[06:24] <Mitario> done
[06:28] <mvo_> everything ok? no missing files?
[06:28] <mvo_> I keep forgetting to tla add s.th. usually ;)
[06:35] <lamont_r> morning
[06:35] <paulproteus> Good morning.
[07:27] <Mitario> re
[07:30] <RubenV> you need something like coda
[07:31] <wasabi_> Yeah. Mostly im thinking about the desktop experience right now. What the user would see.
[07:31] <wasabi_> and pam/nss.
[07:32] <RubenV> well, it should be transparently actually
[07:32] <wasabi_> It cannot be.
[07:32] <wasabi_> There are simply things that need to be known.
[07:32] <RubenV> like what?
[07:33] <wasabi_> Well, I refuse to believe that the synchronization at reconnection is possible without some level of user interaction
[07:33] <wasabi_> In all cases.
[07:33] <wasabi_> I think the user should know when he's not logged into his network (has a kerberos ticket), and should be able to plug in his cable and be prompted for it.
[07:34] <wasabi_> He needs to know he's "offline"
[07:35] <wasabi_> it falls back, and sometimes things break.
[07:35] <wasabi_> Like synchronized shares.
[07:36] <wasabi_> and those damned roaming profies.
[07:36] <wasabi_> profiles
[07:39] <wasabi_> i think the easiest place to start is with altering NSCD to do long term caching in the case of a connection error in nss_ldap or whatever.
[07:39] <wasabi_> and after that, some sort of pam_cache module to do login caching.
[07:40] <paulproteus> pam_cache - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00382.html
[07:40] <paulproteus> Hmm, that sounds really ugly.  Here's hoping you do it in a saner manner, and then release it. ;)
[07:42] <wasabi_> heh. Yeah. Well, the idea is similar.
[07:44] <RubenV> is there a program to see what files a deb installed?
[07:44] <RubenV> apt ain't in my fingers yet
[07:45] <RubenV> hmmm, this question belonged on the main channel, sry
[07:53] <wasabi_> RubenV, dpkg -L
[07:57] <RubenV> thx, appearantly, it has the same interface as qpkg on gentoo
[09:51] <lamont_r> mjg59: commenting out the screen blanking fixes the issue.!!
[09:53] <mjg59> lamont_r: Weird. Sounds like an X bug of some sort.
[09:56] <Keybuk> X bug? shocking
[10:00] <lamont_r> mjg59: well, it could be some interaction with the bios and blanking - only shows up if you leave the lid closed > 10 minutes or so..
[10:00] <lamont_r> I'll see if I can reproduceit with xorg when I get home
[10:02] <Keybuk> I think I have a known X.org bug ... it randomly blanks the screen even when typing
[10:20] <Nafallo> hi ppl.
[10:21] <Nafallo> guess what. warty just died on me. or more correctly... gnome's nautilus and all panels.
[10:22] <Nafallo> I got the weather panel and the hide desktop left :-P
[10:28] <Nafallo> anyway. I'm moving over to hoary :-).
[10:31] <Kyaneos> hi
[10:32] <Nafallo> Kyaneos: hi
[10:57] <daniels> Keybuk: yeah, known issue
[10:57] <daniels> Keybuk: unfortunately it's XFree86 4.4 and I've seen the code
[10:57] <daniels> Keybuk: so I've posted a plain-English description for someone to cleanroom.  it's dead simple.  you wanna do it? :)
[10:57] <Keybuk> sure
[10:59] <thom> yeah, i see the weird blanking thing
[11:00] <daniels> it's not weird at all
[11:00] <daniels> some clown refactored the dpms code and forgot to put the 'when there's input, reset the timer' code in
[11:00] <daniels> i'd say it's perfectly normal behaviour for that sort of code :P
[11:01] <Keybuk> tsk
[11:02] <Keybuk> have you withdrawn you^Whis commit access? :)
[11:02] <daniels> daniel@tycho:~% ssh gabe.freedesktop.org getent passwd dawes
[11:02] <daniels> Enter passphrase for key '/home/daniel/.ssh/tycho-gabe':
[11:02] <daniels> daniel@tycho:~%
[11:03] <daniels> there's better reason than the dpms crap to not give him access
[11:04] <Keybuk> heh
[11:12] <x4m> sleep