[20:38] <chillysurfer> hello! i've successfully pushed up a new package to my ppa and i'm seeing the following build error in my ppa:
[20:38] <chillysurfer> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '/usr/sbin/chroot', '/home/buildd/build-PACKAGEBUILD-17374618/chroot-autobuild', 'linux64', 'env', 'LANG=C', 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive', 'TTY=unknown', '/usr/bin/apt-get', '-uy', 'update']' returned non-zero exit status 100
[20:38] <chillysurfer> RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/bin/in-target scan-for-processes --backend=chroot --series=bionic --arch=amd64 PACKAGEBUILD-17374618
[20:38] <chillysurfer> Scanning for processes to kill in build PACKAGEBUILD-17374618
[20:39] <chillysurfer> any thoughts on what i could be doing wrong?
[21:16] <chillysurfer> i retried and i'm seeing this error now: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found
[21:16] <chillysurfer> this is a dpkg-biuldpackage failure
[22:13] <cjwatson> chillysurfer: Your debian/rules is empty, which really isn't going to go well
[22:14] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: ahh i see. but in the instance where i don't really need much to happen, as this is a python package, what should go in my rules file?
[22:14] <chillysurfer> i am running `python3 setup.py install` in the postinst script
[22:14] <cjwatson> You're what
[22:14] <chillysurfer> should that naturally be in rules instead?
[22:14] <cjwatson> No
[22:15] <cjwatson> chillysurfer: I suggest running lintian before you upload - you may not necessarily want to do absolutely everything it says, but it has lots of alarming red output in your case that corresponds to real errors
[22:15] <chillysurfer> ok trying that now
[22:15] <cjwatson> chillysurfer: Let me dig up the relevant bits of the Debian Python wiki for you
[22:16] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: i really appreciate that
[22:16] <chillysurfer> ah lintian explains a lot
[22:16] <chillysurfer> basically the rules file is a Makefile with required targets?
[22:16] <cjwatson> Yes, but there are a lot of helpers that can make it pretty simple
[22:16] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: oh nice, that'd be helpful
[22:16] <cjwatson> So is this a library or an application?
[22:17] <chillysurfer> technically both
[22:17] <chillysurfer> but let's call it an application
[22:17] <chillysurfer> to install it (both the application and the library) just need to `python3 setup.py install`
[22:18] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: ah is `dh` the helper you're talking about?
[22:19] <cjwatson> Start with https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide
[22:19] <cjwatson> And adjust as needed - you'll probably want to drop any Python 2 bits there
[22:20] <cjwatson> I strongly suggest setting yourself up for local builds since it will make it much easier to iterate
[22:20] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild if you don't already have something
[22:20] <cjwatson> dh is the main entry point to most of the modern helpers, yes
[22:21] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: oh wow this information is really great
[22:21] <chillysurfer> thank you!
[22:21] <cjwatson> (https://wiki.debian.org/Python/AppStyleGuide does exist too, but it's mostly elaborations on top of the library style guide; I think you're better off starting with the library guide and making whatever small adjustments are needed)
[22:21] <cjwatson> np
[22:22] <cjwatson> General way to think about rules vs. stuff like postinst: the job of the rules file is essentially to prepare a filesystem tree plus some metadata that can be packed up into a deb
[22:22] <cjwatson> The postinst runs on the installed system
[22:22] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: ahhh ok
[22:22] <chillysurfer> that makes much more sense
[22:23] <cjwatson> If you can, you should avoid writing a postinst
[22:23] <chillysurfer> yeah sounds like i used it in all the wrong ways
[22:23] <cjwatson> (debhelper will often write out postinst fragments for you, but at least those are centrally-maintained and well-debugged)
[22:25] <cjwatson> chillysurfer: So actually I think you probably just want https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Pybuild
[22:26] <chillysurfer> cjwatson: yeah reading through the style guide it seems like the case
[22:26] <cjwatson> Ah, LibraryStyleGuide links to that, as you were :)
[22:26] <chillysurfer> but still things i need to do with dh i think
[22:26] <cjwatson> Right, pybuild is part of dh-python which is a debhelper extension
[22:26] <chillysurfer> ahhh
[22:26] <chillysurfer> that makes sense


[22:12] <princedugan> XVampireX: reports xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version. thanks for this info, I'm gonna try the Intel rpm. So I hope to see (really) you after reboot
[22:12] <OxDeadC0de> XVampireX Sure, eventually the fix's outweigh the breaks, it's that annoying "bugfix" time that gets to me :P
[22:12] <XVampireX> Yo
[22:12] <XVampireX> Need some help?
[22:12] <XVampireX> Don't forget the golden rule, don't ask to ask just ask :)
[22:12] <OxDeadC0de> chris-rc1: sorry, kbuildsycoca4 (missed the d)
[22:12] <jordano> how to block open two session of the mercury messenger?
[22:13] <lex79> join #ubuntu-meeting
[22:13] <cbwcjw> XVampireX: hahaha
[22:13] <lex79> ops sorry
[22:13] <XVampireX> no
[22:13] <XVampireX> 8.10 is better than 8.04
[22:13] <cbwcjw> Its all opinion.
[22:13] <malcolm_> hello, I'm new to linux
[22:14] <malcolm_> I want to share files with windows
[22:14] <XVampireX> I mean if you're running 7.10 then most certainly 8.04 is better, and 8.10 is even better
[22:14] <malcolm_> I have installed samba
[22:14] <cbwcjw> maclom_: Hi, welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:14] <malcolm_> but I can't access my windows files
[22:14] <malcolm_> hello cbwcjw
[22:14] <cbwcjw> malcom_: Thats odd, are you dual booting?
[22:14] <XVampireX> malcolm_, why? What are you trying to do?
[22:15] <malcolm_> I am trying to setup a file sharing server
[22:15] <mefisto__> just installed kde4.2 and I'm looking for a weather widget. I only see LCD weather station, which I find hard to read. how can I get another?
[22:15] <XVampireX> malcolm_, you need to install samba
[22:15] <malcolm_> do I need the samba package or the samba4 package
[22:15] <malcolm_> I installed samba and it did not work
[22:15] <chris-rc1> OxDeadC0de: ok that was weird
[22:15] <cbwcjw> mefisto__: Your probably out of luck. Remember, 4.2 came out yesterday!
[22:15] <chris-rc1> i lost plasma completely
[22:15] <chris-rc1> black desktop
[22:15] <XVampireX> malcolm_, samba works fine, you get a tool to configure it too, you need to configure it
[22:16] <Dragonmaster_Dan> Getting Ubuntu 8.10 now.
[22:16] <mefisto__> cbwcjw: yeah but I watched the demo video at kde.org and they were using a very nice looking one, with a one week forecast too.
[22:16] <XVampireX> malcolm_, like what folders/files you want to share, linux won't do things you don't want so it won't share the whole partition, it's unsafe too just so you know
[22:16] <mefisto__> cbwcjw: false advertising?
[22:16] <malcolm_> What are the tools I need to configure/use to get samba working
[22:17] <XVampireX> Dragonmaster_Dan, Great, hope it works out for you :)
[22:17] <Dragonmaster_Dan> Same here.
[22:17] <OxDeadC0de> chris-rc1: did you do plasma &
[22:17] <cbwcjw> mefisto__: They couldve just not released it yet. I really dont know, but my LCD weather crashes plasma, so I wish they had another haha
[22:17] <Dragonmaster_Dan> Thank you. XVampireX.
[22:17] <XVampireX> malcolm_, to be honest I'm not sure, I know when you install samba it adds a config tool in gnome, but not sure about KDE :O
[22:18] <cbwcjw> XVampireX: Probably just appears in the settings
[22:18] <malcolm_> I want to share all my files
[22:18] <XVampireX> also you might want to right click on the folder/file you want to share and click properties or whatever and click on share
[22:18] <chris-rc1> well, i did do plasma &, but only after kquitapp ;-)
[22:18] <malcolm_> but shoudl I install the samba4 instead of the samba?
[22:18] <XVampireX> malcolm_, what kde are you using anyway?
[22:19] <chris-rc1> OxDeadC0de: well, i figured it out myself and now plasma and the plasmoids seem to work. can you explain to me why that is?
[22:19] <OxDeadC0de> chris-rc1: takes a sec for it to finally quit and it won't let it run again until it's fully quit, so running it right away doesn't work
[22:19] <mefisto__> cbwcjw: I'm actually quite surprise with how stable everything is. absolutely everything works perfectly so far (30 minutes after 4.2 upgrade)
[22:19] <OxDeadC0de> chris-rc1: Looks like you didn't get a transitional package installed somewhere to upgrade the plasmoids
[22:19] <XVampireX> not sure, malcolm_ don't think so, samba should work fine...
[22:19] <cbwcjw> mefisto__: I was suprised too. It replaced GNOME for me.
[22:20] <cbwcjw> bbl, im setting stuff up
[22:20] <mefisto__> kde raises the bar for everyone with this release I think
[22:20] <cbwcjw> mefisto__: It brings back KDE 3.5 times for me.
[22:21] <SSJ_GZ> mefisto__: That Weather widget is still in kdereview, I think.
[22:21] <mefisto__> cbwcjw: me too. I was heartbroken about kde3.5 until today
[22:21] <chris-rc1> OxDeadC0de: thanks for the help. what i don't get is that kdeplasma-addons must have been 4.2 all the way. do you mean something like a package installing a link to the right location or sth?
[22:21] <malcolm_> I am default installation
[22:22] <malcolm_> I have samba installed but it is strange
[22:22] <gorgonzola> ok... me again. how can i reconfigure the all monitor settings?
[22:22] <malcolm_> It looks like I have missing icons when I click on samba under network
[22:22] <gorgonzola> for example, kdm still uses some weird resolutions, and only after accessing the display module in system settings, it catchs up and sets the res to the right value)
[22:23] <XVampireX> malcolm_, that's because it's an old KDE, Oxygen theme is still not complete
[22:23] <malcolm_> often they don't appear at all
[22:23] <malcolm_> they kinda disapear
[22:24] <XVampireX> malcolm_, You shouldn't be worried about icons just check the settings
[22:24] <malcolm_> which settings where?
[22:24] <XVampireX> no idea
[22:24] <XVampireX> Sorry can't help you there
[22:27] <emperor_tux> when I try to add the kubuntu (KDE 4.2) version repository on intrepid I get a "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>3B3065" error
[22:27] <stdin> emperor_tux: read the link in the topic
[22:29] <thomas_> For some reason right-click in KDE4.2 kickoff classical menu doesnt work for me. Right-Click works everything else, but in the Menu it just starts the Application (like left click)
[22:38] <|bart|> Hi all, just wanted to mention that my kubuntu upgrade went pretty smooth. Thanks for the good work!
[22:39] <|bart|> Small problems: Kopete shows MSN buddies that no longer exist, because the MSN plugin is now something else, and something with Akonadi, but all in all a really smooth upgrade. Great job!
[22:41] <marek_> hi i have one big question, im installing kubuntu from alternate disc, it is asking me for a mirror ubuntu server host, can you tell me what can i type there?
[22:42] <cikky> hi
[22:43] <cbwcjw> Hi cikky welcome to #kubuntu
[22:48] <gizmobay> Anyone know where I can get digikam-kde4?
[22:51] <jussi01> gizmobay: yeah, there is a digikam ppa
[22:53] <cato> Hello, I installed the newer amarok from http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-<IP_ADDRESS>, When I start it, it simply crashes:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/111028/
[22:54] <gizmobay> Is this it deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/notz/ubuntu intrepid main?
[22:55] <cato> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[22:56] <Pconfig> cato: maybe try at #amarok
[22:58] <chris-rc1> gizmobay: is there a kde4 port of digikam at all? i thought it's still the kde3 version, which is in universe, if i remember correctly
[22:59] <gizmobay> I upgraded to 4.2 when you add the plasma addons it removes digikam
[22:59] <jussi01> gizmobay: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[22:59] <jussi01> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[22:59] <Pconfig> btw cato, you're not alone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/316126
[22:59] <jussi01> gizmobay: however, PLEASE NOTE: EXPERIMENTAL!!
[23:00] <cato> Pconfig: nice to know, but doesn't solve the problem :)
[23:01] <Pconfig> cato: i know, was just doing some research ;à
[23:01] <chris-rc1> gizmobay: you could also add the kde3 repos for intrepid. that's the way i do it
[23:02] <gizmobay> digikam works until you add the plasma addons
[23:08] <gizmobay> I think I may hold off
[23:15] <ubuntu_> hi all, i'm trying to install kubuntu 8.10 from hard disk using these instructions but the hard dive doesn't show up in the installation step 4, any ideas? http://deepbluespaces.blogspot.com/2008/07/install-ubuntu-804-from-hard-disk.html
[23:17] <marcel> where i cand find a vt102 docuemntation to write some functions in "C" ?
[23:18] <KCKPOLICEFORCEMA> well ubuntu... i dont know, im running Kubuntu 8.10 without any problems right now, srry:(
[23:20] <Guest43849> Why ubuntu does not recognize the correct screen resolution in VirtualBox?
[23:20] <ubuntu_> Guest43849: you need to install virtualbox "guest drivers"
[23:21] <gmclachl> Guest43849: did you install the guest-additions
[23:21] <rdeva> hey guys a quick question about kate...any idea how to force kate to use tabs when indenting rather than spaces?
[23:21] <Guest43849> no
[23:21] <Guest43849> No.
[23:21] <rdeva> the old version of kate used tabs
[23:22] <ubuntu_> rdeva: settings > configure
[23:24] <rdeva> ubuntu: Yes I was playing around with it, but which option in particular?
[23:24] <lakis1982> i have installed kde 4.2  but i cant install any mac widgets ..how can i do this ???
[23:25] <rdeva> nvm figured it out thats
[23:25] <rdeva> lakis, I think you need superkaramba installed
[23:25] <rdeva> but not sure, check the superkaramba website
[23:25] <lakis1982> superkaramba for kubuntu ?
[23:25] <rdeva> yeah
[23:25] <ubuntu_> no
[23:26] <ubuntu_> mac widgets are supported natively by plasma
[23:26] <gmclachl> hmmm, I think that's meant in the losest terms
[23:26] <ubuntu_> you download the widget file then from the widget browser select "install from file"
[23:27] <lakis1982> ubuntu thats what i did
[23:27] <ubuntu_> didn't you find an select option for mac widgets?
[23:27] <lakis1982> yes
[23:27] <ubuntu_> after that it should appear in the widget list
[23:27] <gmclachl> lakis1982: I have found it to be a bit hit and miss, sometimes it won't show up, when it does the widget doesn't display properly
[23:27] <lakis1982> but it doesnt install
[23:28] <ubuntu_> as gmclachl just said it depends on the widget
[23:28] <lakis1982> that right like gmclachi says
[23:28] <ubuntu_> some will work some won't
[23:28] <lakis1982> sometimes it doesnt show up on list and if it is , it doesnt show correctly on desktop
[23:34] <wesley__> Dragonplayer is clearly lighter then vlc
[23:34] <roconnor> why is update-manager-kde filed under gnome?
[23:35] <wesley__> Because gnome doesnt have that stuff, so they need ours
[23:38] <gLAsgowMonkey> is it possible to sync playlists with an ipod in amarok 2, if it is I can't find out how to
[23:40] <hvgotcodes> hey how do i tell if i have the official version of kde 4.2 installed?
[23:42] <cbwcjw> hvgotcodes: if you got it from the kubuntu-expermental repo
[23:43] <liz_> hello all, I have a simple question, is openoffice.org 3.0 a stable release or still experimental???
[23:44] <gizmobay> hvgotcodes: if you open dolphin then go to help -> about KDE will tell you the version
[23:45] <Walzmyn> I'm running 8.04, but with a bunch of KDE4 apps. If I do a dist-upgrade, how it it handle my  mix of apps?
[23:45] <clay_> i just finished installing the new 8.10 kubuntu and i cant get any sound now. Any help?
[23:47] <liz_> Anyone know if openoffice 3.0 is a stable release?
[23:49] <clay_> #kubuntu
[23:53] <amelie> hello
[23:53] <amelie> i need to discuss an error
[23:53] <amelie> well, need help with an error
[23:53] <amelie> I made a RAID 1 with 2 500gb hard drives
[23:54] <amelie> i mean (2)  500 gb hard drives
[23:54] <amelie> formatted the partitions with ubuntu server 8.10
[23:54] <amelie> then, downloaded the kubuntu-desktop
[23:54] <amelie> my system was working right during a month
[23:54] <amelie> and suddenly, I've got this error:
[23:55] <amelie> /dev/md6: clean, 37/24096 files, 34600/96256 blocks
[23:55] <amelie> /dev/md9 contains a file system with errors, check forced.
[23:55] <hagabaka> does http://scruffy.rubyforge.org/ crash konqueror for anyone else using kde 4.2?
[23:55] <amelie> i reformatted everything as it was
[23:55] <amelie> but i coudn't get off this error
[23:55] <gLAsgowMonkey>  hagabaka not for me
[23:55] <joao_> brasil
[23:55] <amelie> /dev/md9: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
[23:55] <amelie> 	(i.e., without -a or -p options)
[23:55] <amelie> fsck died with exit status 4
[23:55] <hagabaka> ok
[23:55] <amelie> it ended with that
[23:56] <amelie> does anyone knows about this?
[23:56] <joao_> fala portugues
[23:56] <amelie> no, espan~ol
[23:56] <hagabaka> gLAsgowMonkey: are you using kde 4.2 with packages from ppa repository?
[23:56] <legodude_> why is WICD not default over knetworkmanager?
[23:56] <legodude_> it seems to work a billion times better
[23:56] <gLAsgowMonkey> no I am using Jaunty and the official 4.2 release
[23:57] <hagabaka> i see
[23:57] <amelie> can anyone help me?
[23:57] <joao_> falo so portugues
[23:57] <amelie> :(
[23:57] <legodude_> !pt | joao_
[23:57] <hagabaka> amelie: did you try running fsck manually?
[23:57] <gLAsgowMonkey> amelie: you might be better asking in the server channel
[23:58] <amelie> thank you very much
[23:58] <amelie> is it #server ?
[23:58] <amelie> didn't tried the fsck because i don't know how to use it
[23:58] <amelie> i just hit control D to restart normally
[23:59] <cbwcjw2> gorgonizer: Are you there?
[23:59] <gLAsgowMonkey> amelie: not sure, but you can't fsck on disks that are mounted, you can boot from a live cd and run it
[23:59] <gLAsgowMonkey> amelie: #ubuntu-server
[23:59] <amelie> thankyou very much guys


[01:56] <veeseaczar2> Do we know if the hanging-forever-on-GNOME-Startup bug affecting Bionic carries over into Xubuntu after updating to the newest linix generic kernel?
[01:56] <veeseaczar2> Linux***
[03:16] <xubuntu36d> I cannot get the wireless interface to work whatsever in xubuntu, or studiobuntu, both 18.04. I was sccessful in ubuntu desktop with bionic beaver but the driver fix wont carry over to the other two installs. The main difference being settings managers between desktop and xfc environments. Any ideas
[09:13] <New> Hallo
[09:13] <diogenes_> hi
[09:13] <slickymasterWork> !hi | New
[09:13] <New> How can i Play League of legends ob xubuntu
[09:14] <Unit193> Isn't that Windows?  So wouldn't you need to use Wine?  I'd check the appdb.
[09:14] <New> Sorry for The direct question
[09:15] <New> Wine is a Programm?
[09:16] <diogenes_> New, what is the exact name of the game?
[09:18] <Unit193> diogenes_: He already said it.
[09:19] <diogenes_> New, here you can find a complete guide of howto: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflinux/comments/5ukgur/a_revised_guide_for_installing_league_of_legends/
[09:23] <Spass> for Windows games I usually use Lutris, it has some useful installation scripts, but according to this page LoL has "garbage" status currently - https://lutris.net/games/league-of-legends/
[09:24] <Unit193> \o/
[09:25] <Spass> I use Lutris to play Doom II: Hell on Earth ;D
[09:26] <Unit193> I have wine-staging for StarCraft.
[12:35] <miroslav1> Hello. :)
[12:39] <miroslav1> I have not used IRC since game Live for Speed... :)
[12:42] <Spass> hello miroslav1, and what year was that?
[12:44] <miroslav1> Hm... 2005...
[12:50] <Spass> I've started using Linux around 2005
[12:52] <miroslav1> :D
[12:53] <miroslav1> I started using Linux a year ago... :-X
[12:55] <Spass> and by the fact your here now I assume you've liked it :)
[12:57] <Spass> *you're here
[12:57] <miroslav1> Yes. :)
[12:58] <Spass> cool, you're using Xubuntu 18.04 now?
[13:00] <miroslav1> Yes, last version - 18.04 here...
[13:01] <miroslav1> I tried different distos/derivatives, I think the xubuntu maybe the best one I've used so far. For home/desktop users...
[13:02] <Spass> well, we're on #xubuntu so it's probably not a surprise that I agree with you :)
[13:02] <Spass> I've upgraded to 18.04 from 17.10 yesterday and everything works like a charm
[13:08] <miroslav1> Same here, works like a charm... ;)
[13:22] <miroslav1> I'm waiting for Debian and Ubuntu @ LXQt, for test/try...
[13:26] <Spass> I'm not sure when Lubuntu will go LXQt, 18.10 maybe?
[13:27] <Spass> yeah, they announced that - https://news.softpedia.com/news/lubuntu-is-finally-moving-to-lxqt-by-default-with-the-lubuntu-18-10-release-520951.shtml
[13:27] <Spass> so soon
[13:27] <miroslav1> Yes. :)
[13:28] <miroslav1> https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt
[13:28] <Spass> I always used GTK-based desktop environments
[13:28] <miroslav1> There will be live-iso's soon...
[13:34] <miroslav1> I have an older computer, Intel E7200 @ 2.5 GHz and 6 GBs of RAM, so, XFCE, LXDE, LXQt is best for me...
[13:34] <miroslav1> And nVidia 9600 GT.
[14:38] <xubuntu29w> Moin Moin
[14:39] <xubuntu29w> How can i install league of legends on xubuntu ??? Sorry newbie
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> given that it's Windows software you'll need to setup wine
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> but keep in mind that wine is a "see if you're lucky" kinda thing
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> sometimes stuff works, sometimes it doesn't
[14:42] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu29w: if playing Windows games is a big thing for you, having a dual boot is probably the better option
[14:43] <genii> !appdb
[14:44] <genii> You can check with the database to see what compatibility is like, and also ask directly in their channel about it
[15:12] <zleap> hi
[15:12] <miroslav1> hi
[15:12] <zleap> how are things going,  xubuntu seems to be running great on my netbook, with 2gb ram
[15:15] <zleap> i am trying to work out if I can optimise further and make it look a little more geeky
[15:19] <Spass> hello zleap
[15:19] <Spass> my first Xubuntu install was on a netbook too :)
[15:20] <zleap> this is quite an old netbook, but it does what i need,  i just wondered if something like windowmaker would look more geeky
[15:20] <zleap> or a very low resource window manager
[15:24] <Spass> 2GB RAM should be enough to use Xfce with Xfwm, but if you're looking to cut some MB in RAM usage you can try Openbox + xfce4-panel
[15:25] <Spass> and if you really care about resources and you want to be geeky, try IceWM ;) Derek was impressed by it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ml__gL0Ms
[15:28] <zleap>  just watching
[15:28] <Spass> I've recently installed Xubuntu 18.04 on some older laptop with Intel Celeron and 2GB RAM and it runs just fine
[15:28] <zleap> thanks
[15:28] <zleap> it is when I am out and about it would turn heads,  graned xfce may do but some of them really would , mind you console + tmux + cmatrix can probably do the same
[15:34] <Spass> yup, you can make Xfce look geeky, adding conky, some panel plugins etc. but those will always take some RAM
[15:37] <Spass> good choice for a netbook is to keep it simple, don't run too many apps at startup or in the background
[15:58] <zleap> yeah i got rid of a few that were starting up and were not needed
[15:59] <zleap> gkrellm is good, but it started right in the middle of the screen which is not what i wanted, and I am not sure where the settings are to fix that
[16:01] <Spass> never used that program, but maybe there are some hidden config files in ~/.gkrellm or ~/.config/gkrellm
[16:02] <Spass> also you may try to change window placement settings in the "xfwm4-tweaks-settings"
[16:02] <Spass> (move slider max to the left)
[16:24] <zleap> Spass: thanks,
[19:05] <veeseaczar2> "11:16 PM <xubuntu36d> I cannot get the wireless interface to work whatsever in xubuntu, or studiobuntu, both 18.04. I was sccessful in ubuntu desktop with bionic beaver but the driver fix wont carry over to the other two installs. The main difference being settings managers between desktop and xfc environments. Any ideas"
[19:05] <veeseaczar2> Bro same
[19:57] <veeseaczar2> My installation wont recognize internet connections of any kind.... Ethernet or wireless
[20:01] <diogenes_> veeseaczar2, what do you mean?
[20:09] <anonimus> Hi there! I've got a problem with Xubuntu 18.04. When I have to disconect an USB device, it doesn't disconect it. Does anybody know anything about it?
[20:11] <diogenes_> anonimus, what does it do?
[20:19] <veeseaczar2> Many things. It sees the card but will not connect to the wifi router. It also will not recognize when an ethernet cable has been plugged in.
[20:19] <veeseaczar2> When i use the network manager to establish these connections, nothing happens.
[20:20] <veeseaczar2> This all happened after the latest update.
[20:21] <veeseaczar2> Well let me rephrase. I installed, and it worked. Then xubuntu self updated and it kept only booting to tty1. So I reinstalled, but the liveusb indicates only the wifi card durin set up. No networks.
[20:22] <veeseaczar2> After that install completed, it manifested as an inability to connect to wifi.
[20:23] <veeseaczar2> If this is at all meaningful: sudo rfkill list all says phy0 Wireless Lan is hardblocked
[20:23] <diogenes_> veeseaczar2, boot the live session usb and see if it works there
[20:23] <crond> Hi, i just installed the Nvidia drivers 390, and I am getting 'Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig' when I run glxinfo.  X is working it seems though.  Can anyone suggest anything?
[20:29] <veeseaczar2> diogenes_: it is not functioning on either the install or the live usb
[20:31] <diogenes_> veeseaczar2, what year your laptop was made?
[20:32] <veeseaczar2> Old enough to ship with windows 8 and an AMD A8 Mullins apu
[20:32] <diogenes_> veeseaczar2, then try live 16.04
[20:33] <veeseaczar2> Man. I moved to 18.04 to get support for Gallium Nine
[20:34] <veeseaczar2> The point is it *was* working. I had an install of 18.04 that ran and connected to wifi an everything...
[20:34] <veeseaczar2> This is dissappointing.
[20:58] <flow> exit
[21:15] <Spass> veeseaczar2, do you have some kind of switch / key shortcut with Fn to disable/enable WiFi? maybe look into BIOS and see if the WiFi is enabled there
[21:16] <Spass> also, what's your WiFi card and what driver are you using? command "inxi -N"
[21:20] <veeseaczar2> Its a qualcomm atheros... Using ath9k drivers
[21:21] <veeseaczar2> Im trying a live boot of antergos as well .. Same issue... Its like the linux kernel itself cant get to it
[21:25] <veeseaczar2> Exact model is atheros qca9565 / ar565
[21:35] <well_laid_lawn> have you checked   dmesg   ?
[21:36] <well_laid_lawn> or   rfkill  ?
[21:40] <veeseaczar2> Hardblocked
[21:40] <veeseaczar2> I do not know what this means
[21:45] <veeseaczar2> What errors am i looking for in dmesg
[21:48] <Spass> veeseaczar2, is that Acer?
[21:51] <Spass> there are many threads about "atheros qca9565 hardb locked" on google, and many with possible solutions
[21:52] <veeseaczar2> Rad
[21:52] <veeseaczar2> Just weird that it started *after* a working install of the same distro in question
[21:54] <Spass> echo "blacklist acer_wmi" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-acer-wmi.conf
[21:54] <Spass> this command helped a lot of users on acer for example
[21:54] <Spass> but there are some solutions for other brands too
[21:56] <Spass> other users solved it just by Fn+F2 shortcut for WiFi (key combination may differ)
[21:56] <veeseaczar2> Spass youre asking about the brand of my card or laptop?
[21:57] <Spass> laptop
[21:57] <veeseaczar2> Toshiba
[21:58] <Spass> other solution "I entered bios using F2 and then reset the BIOS settings using F9 and it worked."
[22:00] <Spass> ok, so did you try pressing shortcut for WiFi enable/disable on your keyboard? every laptop should have that, or did you try looking into bios settings?
[22:01] <veeseaczar2> Yeah. Does nothing. In the antergos live cd it "enables/disables" without actual effect too.
[22:01] <veeseaczar2> Im trying multiple distros as a control.
[22:02] <Spass> another solution - https://askubuntu.com/a/998645/827866
[22:02] <Spass> possible something in bios
[22:02] <Spass> are you dual booting with windows on that machine?
[22:05] <veeseaczar2> No. Linux is the only distro.
[22:06] <veeseaczar2> I have two live cds
[22:06] <veeseaczar2> Er usbs
[22:09] <Spass> veeseaczar2, maybe try this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1528009/comments/2
[22:09] <Spass> it's about Toshiba
[22:09] <Spass> seems like you need to reset the BIOS by holding the power button
[22:11] <veeseaczar2> Hm.
[22:19] <xubuntu22i> hello
[22:19] <veeseaczar2> WAAAH! *THAT* gottem!
[22:19] <veeseaczar2> Quote unquote
[22:19] <veeseaczar2> Damned bios.
[22:22] <Spass> veeseaczar2, fixed?
[22:22] <veeseaczar2> After 12 hours of trouble shooting.... I had to hold down the power button.
[22:23] <veeseaczar2> So now we're back to zero. The next test is to see if the apt upgrade breaks it again
[23:32] <n-iCe> hi


[02:14] <ShawnR> can someone please tell the servers to cut off everyone but IPs from FL so I can update in less than 8 hrs?
[02:31] <mhall119> ShawnR: did you point to a local mirror before you started updating?
[02:32] <mhall119> many of the big universities mirror the repos
[02:47] <ShawnR> mhall119: nope, just did the package updater and let it go... didn't evne think about pointing it to a local repo
[02:48] <ShawnR> where would i set such?
[02:48] <ShawnR> that being said, only 22 minutes left now... (after going since about 4 or 5pm, not thinking I'm going to change it for this release)
[03:30] <mhall119> ShawnR: if you open "Software Sources", in the "Download from" dropdown select "Other..." and it'll give you a list of choices, plus a button to auto-select a good one for you
[05:21] <KlutZ> everybody must be worn out in Orlando and asleep...
[05:25] <govatent> not me.
[05:25] <govatent> although i am not central florida
[05:35] <KlutZ> I think they are having there LoCo party this weekend in Orlando, Fl...
[15:49] <govatent> does anyone use aim with empathy?
[15:51] <mhall119> not anymore
[15:51] <mhall119> govatent: I used to, but started getting spammers messaging me, so I've turned off that account
[15:52] <govatent> I can't seem to make my aim account work in empathy right now.
[15:52] <govatent> wanted to see if someone could test it as well.
[15:52] <govatent> i am on my clean 11.10 install now
[15:52] <govatent> its the only account giving me an issue in empathy
[15:53] <govatent> trying to also see if there is any info online but nothing so far
[15:57] <mhall119> govatent: just tried my AIM account, connected fine
[15:58] <govatent> thanks. ill have to figure this out
[15:58] <govatent> i think there are logs for connection attempts i can check
[15:58] <maxolasersquad> govatent: I use AIM with empathy on 11.10
[15:58] <mhall119> govatent: are you sure you have an AIM account? ;)
[15:58] <govatent> lol
[15:59] <govatent> i know my un/pw are right cause i tried using the online chat service at aim.com
[15:59] <maxolasersquad> If you look in System Monitor there are processes named telepathy-*
[15:59] <maxolasersquad> telepathy-butterfly is msn.
[15:59] <maxolasersquad> I'm not sure which is AIM.
[16:00] <maxolasersquad> Sometime's I cannot connect to MSN, so I kill telepathy-butterfly and then it reloads and works.
[16:00] <govatent> right now i have both my aim and icq set to disabled cause when i turn either on empathy just starts going on about needing a password and not logging in
[16:00] <govatent> ill try that now
[16:00] <govatent> i think aim and icq use the same process
[16:02] <govatent> i wanna find the logs
[16:08] <govatent> found it. within the file menu for empathy under help there is an option debug that shows all the info
[16:10] <maxolasersquad> govatent: It's probably telepathy-haze
[16:10] <govatent> yea your right on that one
[16:11] <maxolasersquad> "telepathy-haze exposes libpurple's many protocol implementations to the Telepathy framework."
[16:11] <govatent> well this is great. I disabled all my accounts. fire up the debugger for connections. clear the logs to see whats going on with aim. i fire aim up and it works by itself.
[18:40] <itnet7> maxolasersquad: telepathy-haze is for groupwise messenger
[18:40] <itnet7> Oh, does it also handle AIM?
[18:42] <itnet7> I thought it was telepathy-gabble
[18:43] <itnet7> Oh, I guess after reading you can actually also use haze for AIM, with seemingly better results (except if you happen to be named govatent) ;-P
[18:44] <itnet7> brb
[18:45] <maxolasersquad> itnet7: My googleing suggested that gabble is for Jabber.
[18:52] <zoopster> aye...wonder why telepathy-haze process was taking up 100% of a cpu earlier....hmmm....novell is coming back to haunt me?
[19:12] <itnet7> maxolasersquad: yeah, this is the article I was looking at when I was trying to get some traction with a telepathy-haze bug I had reported. http://senko.net/connecting-to-aimicq-with-telepathy-gabble/
[19:13] <itnet7> unfortunately, my bug is still broken 2 or so years later
[19:16] <itnet7> it's still broken... :-(
[19:16] <itnet7> just re-tried it
[19:25] <maxolasersquad> Ahh yes, I remember that.  Forgot the AOL had switched to Jabber.


[00:02] <silverarrow> oh , a bit tricky
[00:03] <phillw> silverarrow: you should not need to do this :(
[00:03] <silverarrow> maybe it's something else then, but something is failing
[00:04] <phillw> 11.04 installs fine. Have you checked the md5?
[00:04] <silverarrow> no md5?
[00:05] <phillw> confusious say, when in doubt with install, always check md5 else will be up creek with no paddle
[00:05] <silverarrow> lol
[00:06] <silverarrow> trouble is I am not yet too good with tricky stuff
[00:07] <phillw> silverarrow: ensure your download and install media is okay - Or else we going to be banging our heads off the brick wall!
[00:07] <silverarrow> there should be a course on linux some where lol
[00:07] <silverarrow> I have ran the basic "test CD "
[00:07] <phillw> silverarrow: on the install CD, there is a 'test me' ... run it :D
[00:08] <silverarrow> you know, as one of the options during CD boot
[00:08] <silverarrow> I have done that
[00:08] <phillw> okay, then the CD is good.
[00:08] <silverarrow> it comes out fine
[00:09] <silverarrow> and next would be install without dowloading packages
[00:09] <silverarrow> ?
[00:10] <phillw> silverarrow: nope, run it as 'try without installing' - slow, I know, but it will confirm the little critter is okay.
[00:10] <silverarrow> it works fine as live CD too
[00:10] <silverarrow> I go online fine, it detects harddisk, runs applications
[00:10] <phillw> then, yes, without downloading will be te next step.
[00:11] <phillw> *be the next*
[00:11] <silverarrow> right now I have managed to install and have done the first initial booting, but with the downloadings
[00:12] <silverarrow> ...then for the reinstallation
[00:12] <silverarrow> see you later perhaps, or something :- )
[00:12] <phillw> do not do the downloads... just put the virgin system on.
[00:13] <silverarrow> got it
[01:30] <JDK> Hello!
[01:30] <JDK> Can Lubuntu be run off of a CD,
[01:30] <JDK> like Ubuntu?
[01:30] <JDK> (Live CD)
[01:31] <JDK> Thanks!
[01:34] <KM0201> JDK: of course..
[01:34] <JDK> Thanks!
[01:34] <KM0201> or if you can boot a USB, you can put the ISO on a USB, and boot it.
[01:34] <JDK> Once again, Thanks!
[01:34] <JDK> ^ ^
[01:34] <JDK> :)
[04:57] <ubuntu> hi
[04:57] <ubuntu> anybody speak spanish??
[05:16] <ubuntu> hi
[05:18] <silverarrow> any grub experts here?
[05:18] <bioterror> we all are
[05:18] <silverarrow> good
[05:18] <bioterror> Unit193 is even better than I am with the Grub
[05:19] <Unit193> Riiiight... ;)
[05:20] <silverarrow> I have a newly installed lubuntu, and when I boot I get  stuck on a message "GNU Grub version 1.99" and something like "line bash like editing supported" and suggestions for how to complete comands
[05:20] <bioterror> what have you done?!
[05:21] <silverarrow> I don't know, and I cannot figure the reason for the problem
[05:21] <bioterror> tried to recover grub?
[05:21] <silverarrow> no
[05:21] <bioterror> !grub2 | silverarrow
[05:22] <silverarrow> trouble is, I get this every time I install lubuntu, first boot after initial install boots fine, but second after the first update goes wrong
[05:23] <bioterror> really
[05:23] <bioterror> bad lubuntu!
[05:24] <bioterror> grub2 is the root of all iivyl!
[05:26] <silverarrow> it is?
[05:26] <silverarrow> trouble is, I cannot read the page in live cd
[05:26] <silverarrow> I need to get on a different computer
[05:33] <silverarrow> downloading
[05:33] <silverarrow> I am forced to work with a mac,
[05:33] <silverarrow> I hope it burns easo fine
[05:43] <silverarrow> bioterror, how do I choose correct file in the download+
[05:43] <silverarrow> ?
[05:44] <silverarrow> not easy to identify the actual iso image
[05:44] <bioterror> what
[05:45] <bioterror> you take 11.04
[05:45] <silverarrow> what?
[05:48] <silverarrow> I haven't manged to burn rescatux yet
[05:49] <silverarrow> and it is verson 0.29 or something like that
[05:49] <silverarrow> I have four folders, and one is called iso one is calle live
[05:50] <silverarrow> when opening rescatux dowload folder I mean
[05:51] <bioterror> you dont need rescatux or anything
[05:51] <bioterror> just boot your lubuntu livecd and chroot into installation
[05:51] <silverarrow> whay didn't you say that right away
[05:52] <silverarrow> I am live cd now
[05:52] <silverarrow> the mac is in the library, and I am in the kitchen, running to and from lol
[05:53] <silverarrow> from terminal?
[05:53] <bioterror> yes
[05:54] <silverarrow> sigh
[05:55] <silverarrow> horror
[05:58] <silverarrow> bioterror, when choosing file for burning, do I choose the entire dowloads folder of rescatux?
[05:59] <bioterror> usually you born .iso files if you want to boot them
[05:59] <bioterror> born :D
[05:59] <bioterror> burn
[05:59] <silverarrow> ...how to identify
[05:59] <bioterror> if you want to make regular data cd, then you burn whole folders
[06:01] <silverarrow> well, I want fix grub
[06:01] <silverarrow> never mind, I shall take a chance on one of them
[06:06] <silverarrow> two potential choises; one folder "live" or "isolinux"
[06:08] <silverarrow> only 10.000 steps to read through to figure things out
[06:08] <silverarrow> arg
[06:13] <silverarrow> any suggestions on how to go about this?
[06:17] <bioterror> mount that partition, chroot into it and fix your grub ;)
[06:19] <silverarrow> I cannot mount the drive
[06:19] <bioterror> why?
[06:19] <silverarrow> tu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || For general chat, use #lubuntu-offtopic
 hi
[06:19] <silverarrow> * You are now known
[06:20] <silverarrow> can't find sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:20] <silverarrow> weird copying and pasting there
[06:20] <bioterror> sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt/
[06:21] <bioterror> sudo chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash
[06:21] <bioterror> and ofcourse they want you to mount some other stuff too
[06:21] <bioterror> ;)
[06:22] <silverarrow> special device  /dev/sdaX  does not exist
[06:22] <bioterror> some common sense now
[06:23] <bioterror> read the guide
[06:23] <bioterror> !grub
[06:23] <silverarrow> I'm not shore I have common sense when it comes to linux
[06:23] <silverarrow> It's more erratic and random
[06:23] <bioterror> read that restoregrub
[06:24] <silverarrow> ...starts saving up for new laptop,
[06:25] <silverarrow> ....throws old one out the window
[06:26] <silverarrow> ...finds an old XP recovery cd
[06:26] <silverarrow> ...goes to pick up laptop lying on the lawn
[06:43] <silverarrow> I managed to boot in rescatux
[06:43] <bioterror> good
[06:43] <silverarrow> it even has xchat
[06:43] <bioterror> now you just need to understand how that program works :D
[06:44] <silverarrow> yeah, but a bit easier to fiddle around with than termnial
[06:44] <silverarrow> thanks for the rescatux tip
[07:31] <silverarrow> thanks bioterror
[07:31] <silverarrow> computer booted fine after rescatex
[07:32] <bioterror> good
[07:32] <silverarrow> rescatux works idiotproofly
[07:33] <silverarrow> I have a suspicion it was grub error all along
[07:33] <silverarrow> even the first booting trouble I had
[07:34] <silverarrow> I was on a wild goose chaise for hard ware failure, hard ware incompatibilities, system brake down
[07:35] <silverarrow> it turns out grub errors can make hard drive undetectable at boot up
[07:53] <phillw> bioterror: seems like a bug related to os-prober? I thought that was sorted?
[07:53] <bioterror> I dont think so
[07:57] <phillw> bioterror: it is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ is it still an outstanding bug? I thought it had been resolved in a bug fix?
[07:58] <phillw> bioterror: os-prober?
[08:00] <bioterror> it should be resolved
[08:02] <phillw> bioterror: Note: This issue existed in 10.10 but should no longer occur in Lubuntu 11.04.
[08:02] <bioterror> should not
[08:02] <bioterror> I'm not judging the fix with single case
[08:02] <phillw> is it still a problem?
[09:06] <silverarrow> so, how do I get any sound in lubuntu?
[09:06] <silverarrow> alsmixer is acting up
[11:42] <phil_> Hello. Is any one here?
[11:44]  * phillw yes
[11:50] <phil_> Sorry. I was away for a few. Anyway, I'm having a few problems concerning Lubuntu... :( I have deleted some files but the space is still being taken up... I have no idea what to do.
[11:50] <phil_> Any advice is MUCH appreciated.
[11:54] <phil_> Hello, Hyper.
[11:58] <phillw> phil_ what version of lubuntu are you running?
[12:02] <bioterror> phillw, sudo apt-get clean
[12:03] <phillw> bioterror: he left!
[12:03] <bioterror> :D
[12:03] <phillw> I guess my questuion was too difficult
[13:28] <silverarrow> someone recommended a disc checking tool the other day, but I cannot find it again googleing for it
[13:28] <silverarrow> I finally figured out how to burn on the mac
[13:29] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: i believe it was me speaking about the UBCD: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com
[13:30] <silverarrow> oh, thanks
[13:30] <silverarrow> I have to get to the bottom of this trouble
[13:31] <silverarrow> I booted in Fedora, because it has a inbuilt disk check application, but I don't know how good it is
[13:53] <silverarrow> the ultimate cd looks very promising
[13:54] <KM0201> what is it?
[13:54] <silverarrow> oh sorry
[13:55] <silverarrow> ultimate boot cd
[13:55] <silverarrow> it a bootable cd that checks just about everything on the computer,
[13:55] <silverarrow> cpu, hard disk, ....
[13:57] <silverarrow> I didn't even know there was such a tool until a couple of days ago
[13:57] <silverarrow> or perhaps it was yesterday
[13:58] <avelldiroll> it mainly provide all the manufacturers'  checking tools in one nice bunde, no need to dig some obnoxious manufacturer website in search for the right tool to check your warranty
[13:59] <avelldiroll> *bundle
[14:01] <silverarrow> :- )
[14:16] <silverarrow> on the mac dowload is really messed up
[14:17] <silverarrow> of the ultimate boot cd I mean
[14:17] <silverarrow> here on the lubuntu, and in chromium, download link is easily  visible
[14:18] <silverarrow> in the mac, in safari, there are tons of commercials where the download starter link should be
[14:18] <silverarrow> major hassle to find a working mirror
[14:41] <silverarrow> avelldiroll, how did you burn the ubcd?
[14:42] <silverarrow> I have trouble choosing the correct iso image
[14:43] <silverarrow> rather a daunting task choosing the right folder
[14:49] <silverarrow> how do I identify the correct folder to burn to CD?
[14:49] <silverarrow> do I burn the whole download thing to CD?
[14:51] <silverarrow> there's tons of FAQ on the UBCD homepage, but darn little on these details
[14:51] <silverarrow> nothing at all actually
[14:52] <silverarrow> identify silverlightning
[15:02] <silverarrow> hi pip
[15:12] <silverarrow> but seriously, any tip on burning iso images, on how to identify correct folders?
[18:52] <silverarrow> I have checke my HD and it comes of squeeky clean
[18:53] <silverarrow> what makes lubuntu act up then? sort of deteriorate after a couple of months
[20:22] <kvarley> Loving the work with this flavour! =D


[09:07] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows if I can git bisect ubuntu kernel for rpi?
[09:49] <rbasak> luc4: I think it should be the same as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection, but maybe with a different repo or branch
[09:51] <luc4> rbasak: yes, I read that. But the problem I'm facing is that some commits do not have the debian/ directory, so I cannot follow this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ARMKernelCrossCompile
[16:16] <tomreyn> luc4: try asking in #ubuntu-kernel, too
[20:15] <luc4> tomreyn: thanks


[08:05] <seb128> goood morning IRC
[08:07] <lissyx> so installing packages from build-packages avoid snapcraft trying to install them
[08:07] <lissyx> but packages from stage-packages, snapcraft still tries
[08:10] <nteodosio> Hi seb128, good morning!
[08:10] <nteodosio> Hi lissyx, yes that's true
[08:11] <lissyx> nteodosio, it's really making my life miserable
[08:11] <nteodosio> Even now that you know it?
[08:11] <lissyx> yes?
[08:11] <lissyx> because there's no way I can fix this ?
[08:11] <lissyx> so bassically i've been working since ~2 weeks on getting snap builds on taskcluster for mostly nothing because of this limitation
[08:12] <lissyx> why would stage-packages be handled differently ?
[08:12] <nteodosio> They are defined as "a list of packages required at runtime by a snap." https://snapcraft.io/docs/snapcraft-parts-metadata
[08:13] <nteodosio> So it makes sense that packages there are installed.
[08:13] <lissyx> the package is installed
[08:13] <lissyx> but snapcraft tries to install it again
[08:13] <lissyx> https://firefoxci.taskcluster-artifacts.net/ZwsoSrvdQNCVrS27wn_8ZA/0/public/build/snapcraft-20230619-074003.661062.log
[08:13] <lissyx> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer?job_id=419814904&repo=try&lineNumber=666
[08:15] <nteodosio> So the problem is that libavcodec58 is installed but snapcraft is trying to install it again?
[08:16] <lissyx> yes
[08:16] <nteodosio> Where is it installed, in the host?
[08:16] <lissyx> I'm using --destructive-mode so yes it's installed on the host
[08:17] <nteodosio> And you don't want it in the snap?
[08:17] <lissyx> ?
[08:17] <lissyx> i dont know what i want
[08:17] <nteodosio> I don't know what is the actual issue you are having.
[08:17] <lissyx> I'm just trying to build the firefox snap
[08:18] <lissyx> the issue is simple: package is installed but snapcraft tries to install it again.
[08:19] <nteodosio> I don't see evidence to that. You said it is installed in the host, but in the snap it seems to be trying to install it only once.
[08:19] <lissyx> nteodosio, please look at the links?
[08:19] <lissyx> [task 2023-06-19T07:40:01.604Z] Setting up libavcodec58:amd64 (7:4.4.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[08:20] <lissyx> so it's installed
[08:20] <lissyx> and I'm using --destructive-mode
[08:20] <nteodosio> I did. Perhaps I'm missing context.
[08:21] <nteodosio> It seems correct that it's trying to install something in stage-packages, even if it is in the host.
[08:21] <lissyx> if it's in destructive mode, where is it going to install it?
[08:21] <nteodosio> I don't know what is destructive mode.
[08:21] <lissyx> snapcraft --destructive-mode
[08:22] <nteodosio> OK, that says "Designed to be used in temporary/short-lived environments, such as on a CI system, because the build could contaminate the host build environment."
[08:23] <nteodosio> Ah OK this describes it better: "Unlike broader snap packages, kernel snaps are typically built within the host environment using snapcraft --destructive-mode."
[08:23] <nteodosio> So yes now I see your problem and I don't have an answer.
[08:29] <lissyx> maybe this? https://github.com/canonical/craft-parts/blob/main/craft_parts/packages/deb.py#L407
[08:31] <lissyx> jbicha, regarding my workspace focus issue: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/2909
[08:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 2909 in GNOME/mutter "core/window: Change MRU update behavior for windows on all workspaces" [Merged]
[08:33] <nteodosio> Maybe, but as far as I know it could still try to install it even without updating the packages list.
[08:34] <nteodosio> In that destructive mode you can only build for the same base your host is on, I suppose?
[08:35] <lissyx> yes
[08:36] <lissyx> but I can make an image matching what I want to build
[08:37] <nteodosio> So when you said you didn't want Snapcraft to install the package even though it was in stage, you meant that it should not try to `apt install` it in the snap, but still install the version from the host.
[08:38] <lissyx> I dont want snapcraft to run any "apt-get"
[08:38] <lissyx> the "update" that chocked was from https://github.com/canonical/craft-parts/blob/047a8e55196aeccd77eb01091025971e406ca97c/craft_parts/packages/deb.py#L644
[08:39] <lissyx> any install would seem to only occur from https://github.com/canonical/craft-parts/blob/047a8e55196aeccd77eb01091025971e406ca97c/craft_parts/packages/deb.py#L537
[08:39] <lissyx> and as long as we installed it prior I guess we should be safe wrt https://github.com/canonical/craft-parts/blob/047a8e55196aeccd77eb01091025971e406ca97c/craft_parts/packages/deb.py#L526-L527
[08:59] <lissyx> :( https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer?job_id=419817867&repo=try&lineNumber=559-578
[09:02] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-harddisk-led tags f7d219b Jonathan Carter upstream/34 * https://deb.li/3z0fN
[09:03] <lissyx> grr
[09:03] <lissyx> set to 0 to inhibit ...
[09:09] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-hide-activities tags ef2da15 Jonathan Carter upstream/44 * https://deb.li/370qh
[09:16] <KGB-0> gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel tags f436d47 Jonathan Carter upstream/56 * https://deb.li/XHL7
[09:17] <KGB-0> deja-dup tags 25c5fb8 Sebastien Bacher upstream/44.2 * Upstream version 44.2 * https://deb.li/yf0j
[09:17] <KGB-2> deja-dup upstream/latest 18a9d16 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 38 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3jvWi
[09:17] <KGB-2> deja-dup upstream/latest bcbaa93 Balázs Úr po/hu.po * Update Hungarian translation * https://deb.li/YfM0
[09:17] <KGB-2> deja-dup upstream/latest 4e1bb85 Kukuh Syafaat po/id.po * Update Indonesian translation * https://deb.li/3B0L2
[09:17] <KGB-2> deja-dup upstream/latest 1a6b1e3 Anders Jonsson po/sv.po * Update Swedish translation * https://deb.li/Z0ys
[09:17] <KGB-2> deja-dup upstream/latest 9c4a58b Michael Terry help/tr/tr.po * chore: add back license marker to tr.po to fix linting * https://deb.li/I0Ax
[09:17] <KGB-2> deja-dup upstream/latest fe353ab Michael Terry libdeja/ (5 files in 3 dirs) * feat: more duplicity 2.0 preparations * https://deb.li/3mHhE
[09:18] <KGB-2> deja-dup pristine-tar 0cd342c Sebastien Bacher deja-dup_44.2.orig.tar.gz.delta deja-dup_44.2.orig.tar.gz.id * pristine-tar data for deja-dup_44.2.orig.tar.gz * https://deb.li/3dHZU
[09:50] <lissyx> seems like it might be doing the trick :p https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=try&revision=192be1f1fff5f21537132d6723bb410e31f34fdc
[12:26] <lissyx> kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+related-packages gnome-3-38-2004-sdk disappeared?
[12:28] <lissyx> ok weird it's not listed on the main page but I still find it https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/gnome-3-38-2004-sdk
[13:06] <seb128> lissyx, you want https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snaps no ?
[13:07] <lissyx> seb128, maybe
[13:07] <lissyx> either way, we have a few issues on symbols right now :(
[13:07] <lissyx> we miss gnome 42 ones
[13:07] <lissyx> we dont have firefox core22 branch ones
[13:24] <seb128> lissyx, do you know why we are missing the gnome ones?
[13:28] <seb128> lissyx, is that your collector job not fetching those?
[13:28] <seb128> https://git.launchpad.net/gnome-sdk/tree/snapcraft.yaml#n1747 suggests the snapcraft side is there?
[13:45] <lissyx> seb128, both because we collect only gnome-3-38-2004-sdk for now
[13:45] <lissyx> seb128, and because when I test gnome-42-2204-sdk I have issues
[13:46] <lissyx> seb128, much bigger problem for me is that core22 build does not place .debug file next to .snap
[13:46] <lissyx> seb128, this is going to be problematic for upload to the launchpad library?
[13:46] <lissyx> at least it's problematic on my local tests
[13:46] <seb128> lissyx, is that an error in the snapcraft?yaml?
[13:47] <lissyx> I dont know
[13:49] <lissyx> the gnome sdk issue is weird, files are corrupted https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer?job_id=419848480&repo=try&lineNumber=368 but it looks to be a bug on our code
[13:49] <lissyx> the lack of .debug for core22 is different, it's properly generated but not copied at the end
[13:58] <lissyx> o_O I can open it with file-roller correctly
[14:03] <lissyx> and when I download it manually it works as well.
[14:14] <lissyx> seb128, ok I think it's because we end up finding two branches, and the download code we have makes things broken because the file names are identical
[14:15] <lissyx> between gnome-42-2204-sdk-proposed and gnome-42-2204-sdk
[14:16] <seb128> I didn't even know we have a proposed...
[14:38] <lissyx> seb128, is it possible this cp is broken? https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/blob/140a377cdf079b799c845457a71e75582dee6c7d/snapcraft.yaml#L591
[14:42] <seb128> lissyx, it could be but I think the issue is earlier, checking a recent build log from core22
[14:42] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/671347170/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_jammy_amd64_firefox-snap-core22_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:42] <seb128> Executing parts lifecycle: pull debug-symbols
[14:42] <seb128> Executing action
[14:42] <seb128> :: ++ find /build/firefox/stage/debug-symbols/ -type f -name 'firefox-*.crashreporter-symbols.zip'
[14:42] <seb128> :: + export SYMBOLS_ARCHIVE=
[14:42] <seb128> :: + SYMBOLS_ARCHIVE=
[14:42] <seb128> :: + '[' -f '' ']'
[14:42] <seb128> Executed: pull debug-symbols
[14:43] <seb128> it seems the pull debug-symbols isn't pulling any?
[14:43] <lissyx> :[
[14:43] <lissyx> mach buildsymbols worked?
[14:43] <seb128> I need to drop from IRC for a bit moving location but I will read the irclog once I reconnect
[14:43] <seb128> bandali, ^ any idea about those issues?
[14:47] <seb128> the log has
[14:47] <seb128> :: + cp obj-x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/dist/firefox-114.0.1.en-US.linux-x86_64.crashreporter-symbols.zip /build/firefox/stage/debug-symbols/
[14:47] <seb128> so at least the .zip seems generated
[14:48] <seb128> but the cp is earlier in the log than the zip creation
[14:48] <seb128> so ordering issue in the rules?
[14:48] <seb128> bbiab
[15:55] <lissyx> nteodosio, since seb128 is not there I hope you can help :p
[15:55] <lissyx> is override-pull a bug here ? https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/blob/stable/snapcraft.yaml#L562
[15:56] <lissyx> we want to do this after a firefox build, I believe override-pull will be done at the wrong moment?
[15:58] <lissyx> (but I also think we had to use override-pull because of something network-related
[16:03] <lissyx> from the log shared above https://launchpadlibrarian.net/671347170/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_jammy_amd64_firefox-snap-core22_BUILDING.txt.gz, checking line number it's obvious the debug-symbols override-pull has been done before the build of the symbols
[16:03] <lissyx>   39137 Executed: pull firefox
[16:03] <lissyx>   39138 Executing parts lifecycle: pull debug-symbols
[16:12] <lissyx> https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4220
[16:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 4220 in snapcore/snapcraft "Using after leads to pull after instead of waiting for complete part" [Open]
[16:29] <nteodosio> lissyx, yes, I think it is. The documentation is not clear. It explicitly mentions "build and stage" but not pull and that is what you observed in the build log.
[16:30] <lissyx> "runs the same lifecycle step of all parts before moving to the next step. However, you can change this behavior using the after keyword"
[16:30] <lissyx> this does not mention build and stage ?
[16:36] <nteodosio> Yes, it mentions all lifecycle steps. And then it goes on to say that changes with the after keyword. But it never really says explicitly _how_, leaving margin for the natural interpretation, namely "all lifecycle steps of X are executed before any lifecycle step of Y".
[20:45] <seb128> lissyx, I will add the firefox core22/debug issue on our active backlog and follow up with the snapcraft team about it


[03:52] <Hobbsee> will https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/263543 make it into intrepid?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Looks like a one line patch, and would let some more people boot.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> looks to be a regression from hardy, too.
[12:02] <FreeSoul> hi guys


[00:02] <cmaloney> evening
[11:22] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:21] <_stink_> yo
[14:20] <Scary_Guy> Activity?  On a Saturday?
[14:20] <Scary_Guy> also,  hi
[18:24] <cmaloney> Heh
[18:24] <cmaloney> Yeah, it can happen
[21:00] <havenstance> good afternoon


[12:16] <toma> yes
[12:18] <linuxmonkey> its cool I fixed the program by purging the one i had installed from repo and installed it from .tar.bz2
[12:19] <linuxmonkey> i think that i'll try to repackage the program tonnight to fix it
[03:46] <Hobbsee> monring all
[03:53] <nixternal> moin Hobbsee
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[03:53] <nixternal> fancy seeing you here ;)
[03:54] <Daskreech2> nixternal: I found a bug with kopete :)
[03:54] <Daskreech2> or with gaim :(
[03:54] <nixternal> i did too...it is kopete ;)
[03:54] <Daskreech2> or with both actually :-s
[03:54] <nixternal> ya..i seen you saying something about that earlier...what did you find?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> bug #?
[03:55] <Daskreech2> Well do you have a 1) Gaim type client and/or 2) a jabber type account?
[03:55] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: I don't know if it has a bug number yet
[03:56] <nixternal> i have kopete and 2 jabber accounts
[03:56] <nixternal> gmail and kubuntu
[03:56] <Daskreech2> nixternal: One of them gmailish?
[03:56] <Daskreech2> Cool :)
[03:56] <Daskreech2>  O\k Meebo wil suffice
[03:56] <nixternal> nixternal@gmail
[03:56] <nixternal> .com
[03:56] <Daskreech2> Log in to the meebo interface and message<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:56] <nixternal> wth is meebo ?
[03:56] <nixternal> lol
[03:57] <Daskreech2> http://www,meebo.com
[03:57] <Daskreech2> http://www.meebo.com even
[03:57] <nixternal> that is the first i have ever heard or seen that
[03:57] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i'v eused that before
[03:57] <Daskreech2> It's an Ajax Multi IM client with a gaim backend
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Daskreech2: what's the bug?
[03:59] <Daskreech2> Kopete seends some style which makes Gaim clients whack out
[04:00] <nixternal> im amazed at the fact that meebo takes over my gmail account and doesn't allow it to goto kopete
[04:00] <Daskreech2> nixternal: That's just the Jabber server
[04:00] <Daskreech2> It's quite smart
[04:00] <nixternal> obviously
[04:00] <nixternal> it knows where to route it to..impressive layer support for a chat protocol
[04:00] <Daskreech2> If I sent a message to you it would come up on all your accounts which ever one you reply on all messages would then only go to that one
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Daskreech2: ping
[04:02] <nixternal> wow..i have 2 vmware sessions going...1 ubuntu and installing kubuntu on another..and when that is done i have to install winXP bogus version just for documenting...not for using ;)
[04:02] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: Pong
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Daskreech2: sent you a mesasge
[04:02] <Daskreech2> Erm.. not seeing it hold on
[04:02] <Daskreech2> Nope not seeing it
[04:02] <nixternal> Daskreech2: do you get the double spacing on kopete now when i send you a message back?
[04:03] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: Whats your Gmail?
[04:03] <Daskreech2> nixternal: No Only you see it
[04:03] <Hobbsee> using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:03] <Hobbsee> but i dont think it signed me in properly - i'm still connected via kopete too, it looks like
[04:03] <Daskreech2> Ah in that case try sending to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:04] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: You can sign on as many times as you want in jabber :)
[04:04] <nixternal> ahh..ok...btw..im an idiot..i just did an Ubuntu install default settings and everything...with a default username...and i can't remember what i set it up as
[04:04] <Hobbsee> i thought it booted you, and you could only sign in on one machines
[04:04] <nixternal> omg...
[04:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha, great.
[04:04] <nixternal> ubuntu is the username ;)
[04:04] <nixternal> so it is ubuntu@ubuntu
[04:05] <nixternal> wow im brilliant
[04:05] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: No thats' what the resource is for :) so you can use one account for multiple purposes
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hmm okay
[04:07] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: You can have one<EMAIL_ADDRESS>account and make a /Work /Home /holiday and then you will only get /Work messages when you are at work :)
[04:07] <Daskreech2> Nifty!!
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ah, neat
[04:08] <Daskreech2> Ahhhh!
[04:08] <Daskreech2> Kopete krashed :-(
[04:08] <nixternal> lol
[04:08] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:08] <nixternal> hahahha
[04:08] <Hobbsee> which kopete?
[04:09] <Daskreech2> 0.12
[04:12] <Daskreech2> Alrighty. So Hobbsee has just baffuzzled me more
[04:12] <Hobbsee> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5250/snapshot88tm.png is what i see...
[04:13] <Daskreech2> nixternal: Were you getting that?
[04:13] <nixternal> i didn't get anything else
[04:14] <nixternal> meebo died out on me as i have to many things running at once
[04:14] <Daskreech2> I meant the spacing did it look like what Hobbsee has in that screenie
[04:14] <nixternal> you can only multi task so much ;)
[04:14] <nixternal> let me soo
[04:14] <nixternal> see
[04:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: need more ram in that computer :P
[04:14] <nixternal> that is an understatement
[04:14] <nixternal> Sysinfo for 'MasTequila': Linux 2.6.15-25-k7 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1674 MHz (3351 bogomips), , RAM: 498/502MB, 120 proc's, 3.8d up
[04:15] <Hobbsee> bleh.
[04:15] <nixternal> wth.. Hobbsee's looks normal...mine was double spaced and what not
[04:17] <Daskreech2> Funky
[04:17] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:19] <Daskreech2> nixternal: Do you have a jabber.org account?
[04:19] <nixternal> no i don't
[04:19] <nixternal> do i need one ;)
[04:20] <Daskreech2> Whats your other jabber account ?
[04:20] <Daskreech2> You said you have two?
[04:20] <nixternal> i have gmail and kubuntu, and aim, and yahoo, and msn, and icq, and irc, and email
[04:20] <nixternal> im covered
[04:20] <nixternal> gmail and jabber.kubunte.de
[04:20] <Daskreech2> ok can you IM Hobbsee?
[04:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee said i am not allowed to, its against the rules or something ;)
[04:21] <Daskreech2> !women
[04:21] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[04:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:21] <Daskreech2> Drat :-(
[04:21] <nixternal> LOL
[04:21] <Hobbsee> no ubotu in here?  hey cool
[04:21] <Daskreech2> Sweet :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sure you can -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sure you can -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:21] <Hobbsee> i mean
[04:22] <nixternal> which one is it?
[04:22] <Daskreech2> Jumping the boat there :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> @jabber
[04:24] <nixternal> yes i can message Hobbsee btw Daskreech2
[04:24] <Daskreech2> nixternal: ok meeage her on meebo
[04:25] <Daskreech2> Hobbsee: I'll delete you tomorrow ok?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:26] <nixternal> hmm...now chattin' with Hobbsee looks fine
[04:26] <nixternal> but with a gmail account it doesn't
[04:27] <Daskreech2> Hmm
[04:27] <Daskreech2> I guess it might be old jabber server software then?
[04:27] <nixternal> you guys...on a serious note
[04:27] <nixternal> I'M IN LOVE
[04:28] <Hobbsee> not with me, i hope :P
[04:28] <nixternal> gahaha
[04:28] <nixternal> oh well..that one is out the door ;)
[04:28] <Daskreech2> Whats wrong with nixternal?
[04:28] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:28] <Daskreech2> Doesn't mean she has to love you back :)
[04:28] <nixternal> Kubuntu is my new sweetheart ;)
[04:28] <nixternal> hahaha Daskreech2
[04:29] <nixternal> oh wow that was good Daskreech2
[04:29] <nixternal> gave me a head ache lauging at that one
[04:29] <Daskreech2> it was? oh :)
[04:31] <nixternal> whats the easiest way to sync email between a desktop and a laptop with Kubuntu?
[04:31] <Daskreech2> rsync?
[04:31] <nixternal> ya...i will have to look into it
[04:33] <Daskreech2> nixternal: Well I'll try and update the server on our server and see if it makes a difference :-)
[04:33] <nixternal> it just might
[04:34] <Daskreech2> Tell me how you and your new love frolics go
[04:37] <Daskreech2> Ah kopete still blows :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hah.  it's getting better.
[04:44] <Daskreech2> Yeah I know But it's very painful
[04:53] <Daskreech2> Futurama is back!!!!!
[07:47] <seaLne> nixternal: wouldn't if you used imap not need to sync between them?
[07:52] <nixternal> i know
[07:52] <nixternal> imap does have some usefullness thats for sure
[08:00] <nixternal> i could set up an imap server here...or someone can give me an imap server account and i can forward my email to it ;)
[08:00] <nixternal> if i setup imap server here it would have to collect my gmail account, which i have everythign forward to
[08:01] <seaLne> ah
[08:02] <nixternal> ya..i would have to forward gmail to an imap account...if that is even possible
[08:02] <seaLne> isn't gmail webbased anyway?
[08:03] <nixternal> yes
[08:05] <Hobbsee> gmail doesnt support imap
[08:05] <nixternal> no..but it can forward to an email address though
[08:05] <nixternal> so if i had say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i could forward it to that
[08:06] <nixternal> and for sending, i could still utilize smtp.gmail.com
[08:06] <Hobbsee> true
[08:22] <nixternal> well im waiting for my free imap account already ;)
[08:24] <nixternal> dbmail server will allow me to just use postfix to grab all of my accounts..and then pipe them into a imap database...sounds like a new project for me
[12:43] <Hobbsee> pity.
[12:43] <jpatrick> I'm here
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hi jpatrick!
[12:45] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[12:46] <jpatrick> how are you today?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, getting sick :(
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i think my boss got me sick :(
[12:48] <jpatrick> :(
[12:49] <jpatrick> gross...
[12:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:50] <Hobbsee> i think i avoided most of the cigarette smoke though, which was good.
[12:51] <jpatrick> great
[12:53] <jpatrick> don't wanna die of passive smoking
[12:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, not really.
[01:30] <toma> moguh
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hey toma!
[01:32] <toma> hi Hobbsee
[01:56] <toma> all returned from the summit?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> it's been quiet in the dev channels all day..
[01:57] <toma> Hobbsee: i got a br from someone who wants rsibreak backported. Allee builded the package already, should it be uploaded somewhere? How does it work?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> toma: hmmm.  i believe it has to be built in edgy, and the version in edgy is the one that gets backported.  i noticed a thingo for backporting on launchpad, but i'm not really sure.
[01:59] <toma> ow ok
[01:59] <toma> i thought you knew everything
[02:00] <Hobbsee> far from it
[02:04] <Hobbsee> toma: not sure if this helps:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto?highlight=%28CategoryMOTU%29
[02:08] <toma> Hobbsee: i don't understand it at all
[02:08] <toma> i feel really stupid now
[02:08] <Hobbsee> toma: you're far from stuipd
[02:08] <Hobbsee> like i say, i'm not sure if it helps
[02:08] <toma> i think i'll move the br as indicated to that team and see what happens ;-)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> toma: from what i understand, and i only ever tried backporting one thing before running well away, the app has to build in dapper, or with a few changes to debian/control
[02:09] <toma> it builds fine for dapper
[02:10] <Hobbsee> toma: did you understand the versioning bit?  and what's the bug #?
[02:11] <toma> Hobbsee: Bug #50832
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50832 in rsibreak "Please backport 0.7.1 from edgy to dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50832
[02:11] <toma> Hobbsee: edgy has a sync of debian unstable
[02:12] <Hobbsee> toma: right, and that's the version wanted in dapper?
[02:12] <toma> Hobbsee: so i'm unsure if I have to do anything or that is all dealth with by the backports team
[02:12] <toma> Hobbsee: its the latest and greatest
[02:12] <Hobbsee> it looks like you can just hit "backport fix to releases" and tick dapper rsibreak, but i've never tried it
[02:12] <Hobbsee> the worse they'll do is yell at you
[02:15] <toma> hmm, done that
[02:15] <Hobbsee> toma: you probably want to write on that bug report that it fulfils the stuff from the above wiki link.
[02:20] <toma> Hobbsee: okido, subscribed the backporters and added a comment
[02:21] <Hobbsee> toma: cool :)
[02:21] <toma> thnks for the help
[02:21] <Hobbsee> toma: nice :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hope it works
[02:22] <toma> now i have 1 open bug report. grrr. i hate that
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:22] <Hobbsee> toma: kill some kde ones, you'll feel better.
[02:22] <hunger> toma: I usally have about a dozend open bug reports:-(
[02:23] <hunger> toma: The oldest has a number in the 500 range and still applies:-( I should get my ass up and attach another patch, maybe it will get accepted this time.
[02:24] <toma> hunger: which report is that?
[02:24] <hunger> If at least launchpad would not suck so much:-(
[02:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:25] <Hobbsee> it's still better than whatsit.
[02:25] <hunger> toma: A wishlist one about enhancements to cryptsetup I am using since hoary:-(
[02:25] <toma> a
[02:25] <hunger> Hobbsee: So far I have not found any bugtracker (or whatever LP actually is) worse than LP.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> trust me, there is one
[02:26] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[02:26] <toma> launchpad has some advantages above the traditional bugzilla, although searching is very limited
[02:26] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, bugzilla.  urg!
[02:26] <Hobbsee> kde bugs has a tendancy to drive me nuts too, when it doesnt work.
[02:26] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[02:26] <imbrandon> whats popin today in -devel ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> not a lot, its' been pretty quiet
[02:27] <imbrandon> hehe hunger any luck ?
[02:27] <hunger> Can't install the glib headers required to build dbus though.
[02:28] <hunger> ubuntu's dbus does not come with qt4 bindings afaict, so I need to rebuild those.
[02:29] <hunger> libglib2.0 is newer than libglib2.0-dev:-(
[02:29] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:31] <jpatrick> hunger: installed libdbus-qt-1-dev ?
[02:32] <hunger> jpatrick: That pulls in libqt3-headers, so I assume it is not for use with qt4.
[02:32] <jpatrick> :(
[02:32] <jpatrick> lunch...
[02:35] <hunger> It would be cool it edgy was kde4 developer ready:-) I.e. come with qt4 (done) and the dbus bindings for that so that people can jump right in compiling kde4 from svn.
[02:36] <imbrandon> hunger, i think Riddell was planning on that being the case
[02:36] <imbrandon> afaik
[02:37] <hunger> imbradon: Great! riddell rulez! :-)
[02:37] <hunger> imbrandon: Even now dapper is way nicer for qt developers than i.e. suse.
[02:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:38] <hunger> imbrandon: My coworkers all need to pull qt4 and build it, I can just apt-get install it:-)
[02:38] <imbrandon> great isnt it ;)
[02:39] <hunger> imbradon: Yeap. kubuntu/dapper is a damn fine distri... even though I had to downgrade to breezy again due to my HW being broken in dapper:-(
[03:28] <danimo> heya
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi danimo
[03:29] <danimo> greetings from FrOSCon
[03:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: how's things?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> FrOSCon?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, thinking about sleep
[03:30] <Hobbsee> and food.
[03:30] <jpatrick> I'm playing away on my guitar
[03:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: with \sh
[03:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: conference in bonn, germany
[03:32] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:15] <nixternal> moin moin
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[04:18] <nixternal> it sure has been quiet around here
[04:19] <nixternal> i think im gonna go crash a linux conference today...there is this group here that calls themselves leader of open source...yet they charge an arm and a leg to join...and all they praise is slackware and red hat...
[04:28] <imbrandon> opensourse is fre as in freedom not free as in beer ;)
[04:32] <nixternal> if im paying money, then there goes one of my freedoms...the freedom to keep it in my wallet ;)
[04:32] <nixternal> and why did the opensource community adapt a "not free as in beer" slogan from the Bunny Ranch?
[04:40] <imbrandon> ok nixternal better to put it like " Not Gratis , Is Libre "
[04:42] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: have you test your amarok packages
[04:42] <nixternal> im testing imbrandon'n amaroK packages
[04:42] <kwwii> howdy
[04:42] <nixternal> and so is he and linuxmonkey
[04:42] <nixternal> hey kwwii
[04:42] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, yes running it atm and so is a few others , Hobbsee nixternal linuxmonkey apok etc
[04:43] <nixternal> good to hear kwwii..now you can work on art ;)
[04:43] <imbrandon> sup freeflying|away ?
[04:43] <imbrandon> wb kwwii
[04:43] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: got errors after upgrade
[04:43] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yay!
[04:43] <kwwii> nixternal: yepp, I already have a few ideas for edgy
[04:43] <nixternal> i can't wait to see
[04:43] <Hobbsee> kwwii: and avoided being bashed up?
[04:43] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, like what ?>
[04:43] <nixternal> i was looking at some of the artwork/theme proposals on the wiki...i want hybrid for Kubuntu ;)
[04:43] <kwwii> pink and turquiose
[04:44] <imbrandon> ew
[04:44] <nixternal> haha
[04:44] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: sorry, forgot  :)
[04:44] <kwwii> :p
[04:44] <nixternal> Hobbsee wants gentoo burple
[04:44] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, hrm ok
[04:44] <Hobbsee> yeah :D
[04:44] <nixternal> hehe
[04:44] <Hobbsee> kwwii: any mockups?
[04:44] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, but yea about 10 people atleaste are running it atm
[04:45] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: okey, I'd test it again next week
[04:45] <kwwii> Hobbsee: nope, just ideas at this point...I would really like to get more people from the community involved
[04:45] <kwwii> (that way the title "artist in chief" actually means something)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yeah, fair enough :P
[04:45] <Hobbsee> what, means the main artist?
[04:46] <kwwii> well, it means I should coordinate the artwork as well
[04:46] <kwwii> but right now it means I am "my own boss" so to speak
[04:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> true :)
[04:50] <kwwii> I am going to test out using a shade of purple and the current logo...not sure how well that will work together
[04:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:51] <imbrandon> kwwii, make it go with the ponies BG http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/ponies1.png
[04:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:52] <kwwii> I happen to like the ponies :-)
[04:52] <kwwii> :p
[04:52] <imbrandon> heh i know , someone said yesterday when i was goofin off with that to show you ;)
[04:52] <kwwii> lol
[04:53] <nixternal> no more ponies
[04:54] <nixternal> if my daughter gets Edubuntu and it has a ponies desktop...im going to have to go buy her a pony because i will never hear the end of it
[04:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe
[04:54] <nixternal> you know how women have to have everything match...she will want to match her desktop to her real life pony
[04:54] <nixternal> ;)
[04:55] <kwwii> hehe
[04:55] <kwwii> I grew up on a horse ranch...that fact always seemed to attract women
[04:55] <nixternal> hehe
[04:55] <nixternal> well heck
[04:56] <imbrandon> i'm a programer , that always seemed to repel women ;)
[04:56] <nixternal> just maybe
[04:56] <Hobbsee> horses are fun :)
[04:56] <kwwii> I think with ponies you will only pick up short women
[04:56] <imbrandon> yea
[04:56] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:56] <nixternal> #@#@gahahhah kwwii
[04:56] <kwwii> ok, time for the football match
[04:56] <imbrandon> kwwii, or very young ones
[04:56] <kwwii> :p
[04:56] <imbrandon> ohhh yea football is on again today
[04:56] <nixternal> no no imbrandon that is prison
[04:57] <nixternal> soccer
[04:57] <nixternal> we don't call it football here ;)
[04:57] <imbrandon> whos we?
[04:57] <nixternal> the US goofy
[04:57] <imbrandon> got a mouse in your pocket?
[04:57] <kwwii> germany is playing in a minute (I can hear the german anthem from my neighborhood
[04:57] <nixternal> nice kwwii
[04:57] <nixternal> i can hear the US plane landing at O'hare
[04:57] <kwwii> the US simply sucks at football so they call it soccer
[04:57] <nixternal> exactly
[04:57] <nixternal> thank you kwwii
[04:58] <imbrandon> the womens team isnt bad ;)
[04:58] <kwwii> yes!
[04:58] <nixternal> thats because they are 90% trannies
[04:58] <kwwii> the problem is that the US are all short guys
[04:58] <kwwii> I mean, anyone tall enough and athletic enough to play a sport proffesionaly in america plays something in which there is money in it
[04:59] <nixternal> and the US sux
[04:59] <nixternal> btw...b4 any of you yankees get mad..im in chicago ;)
[04:59] <nixternal> kwwii: i couldn't have put it any better
[04:59] <kwwii> nixternal: two of my sisters live in the chain of lakes area
[04:59] <nixternal> whoa
[04:59] <nixternal> me too
[04:59] <kwwii> my family is from southern wisconsin
[05:00] <nixternal> thats where are whole clan is
[05:00] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[05:00] <nixternal> im 30 minutes from the chain
[05:00] <kwwii> I even lived up there for a while
[05:00] <nixternal> we have a house there
[05:00] <kwwii> cool
[05:00] <nixternal> in antioch
[05:00] <nixternal> been to blarney's island?
[05:00] <kwwii> hehe, cool
[05:00] <kwwii> yes, I have
[05:00] <nixternal> lol...
[05:00] <nixternal> that is my place
[05:00] <kwwii> it is a small world :-)
[05:01] <nixternal> every thursday im there
[05:01] <kwwii> hehe
[05:01] <nixternal> tell me about it
[05:01] <kwwii> cool
[05:01] <kwwii> ok, I am out now
[05:01] <nixternal> l8r kwwii
[05:01] <nixternal> enjoy the game
[05:26] <imbrandon> moins raphink
[05:31] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[07:30] <kwwii> re
[07:32] <uniq> hi kwwii.
[07:32] <kwwii> hi uniq
[07:33] <kwwii> that is one uniq nick you got there :-)
[07:33] <uniq> heh.. indeed :)
[08:10] <uniq> congrats mez :)
[08:21] <Mez|21today> ty uniq
[09:13] <_Sime> and survived paris.
[09:17] <jpatrick> f/d _Sime
[09:24] <_Sime> "f/d"??
[09:32] <jpatrick> _Sime: something that means wb, I picked it up at #amarok
[09:40] <kwwii> so....did anyone notice that yakuake is broken on ppc?
[09:41] <uniq> it is?
[09:41] <uniq> what's broken about it?
[09:41] <uniq> starts just fine here.
[09:41] <kwwii> it does not work at all
[09:41] <kwwii> on ppc?
[09:41] <uniq> yes, dapper ppc.
[09:42] <kwwii> do you use a one button mouse?
[09:42] <uniq> I use the trackpad.
[09:42] <kwwii> ie. do you use f12 for the right mouse button?
[09:42] <uniq> i use alt+a for yakuake.
[09:43] <kwwii> ahaaa
[09:43] <kwwii> how did you set that?
[09:43] <uniq> don't remember, but i can find out.
[09:43] <uniq> [Global Shortcuts]
[09:43] <uniq> AccessKey=Alt+A
[09:43] <uniq> in ~/.kde/share/config/yakuakerc
[09:44] <kwwii> :-)
[09:44] <kwwii> now it works
[09:46] <kwwii> uniq: thanks :-)
[09:47] <uniq> you're welcome :)
[09:49] <kwwii> although it keeps saying "Uh oh.. can't write data.."
[09:50] <kwwii> it works though
[11:03] <Riddell> kwwii: did you send me the photo?
[11:05] <_Sime> Riddell: hi
[11:05] <Riddell> hi _Sime, never saw you this morning
[11:05] <_Sime> I know ;-)
[11:05] <_Sime> i was downstairs at about 9:30-ish
[11:05] <jjesse> hello Riddell
[11:06] <kwwii> Riddell: I haven't finished working on the pics yet (the waiter made like 8 pics and in every one someone is looking stupid)
[11:06] <Riddell> 9:30 was a bit early for me
[11:06] <Riddell> hi jjesse, have I missed any gossip in the kubuntu IRC world this week?
[11:06] <jjesse> Riddell: i've been traveling a lot this week
[11:06] <kwwii> funnily enough the ubuntu devs seemed to gravitate toward the ubuntu banner, so the only one you see in the pics is the kubuntu banner
[11:06] <Riddell> kwwii: so you're editing them to create a perfect world in which nobody looks stupid
[11:07] <jjesse> kwwii: did you create the powerpoint presentation that is included in the Example Content?
[11:07] <kwwii> Riddell: no, but there is one pic where jeff is looking at me an smiling so I thought I would try to make that one perfect
[11:07] <jjesse> so i've missed al ot of things
[11:07] <kwwii> jjesse: yes
[11:07] <jjesse> kwwii: its not finished
[11:07] <kwwii> jjesse: it is not supposed to be
[11:08] <jjesse> kwwii: what do you mean about that?
[11:08] <kwwii> jjesse: well, it is supposed to show that you can "add content here"
[11:08] <kwwii> we should really only include templates for things, not finished works
[11:08] <kwwii> although at this point the example content is pretty much that
[11:09] <jjesse> kwwii: hmm didn't realize that I just thought it was supposed to be complete which is why i filled a bug on it
[11:09] <kwwii> jjesse: to be honest, it is based on the ubuntu presentation contained in the same package
[11:09] <kwwii> hehe
[11:09] <kwwii> my first bug report
[11:09] <jjesse> grin, lookign up the bug
[11:10] <kwwii> if I can figure out how (/me is used to bugzilla) I will answer it and set the resolution correctly :-)
[11:10] <jjesse> ok, i'll let you know the bug #
[11:11] <kwwii> cool :-)
[11:11] <kwwii> jjesse: if everyone agrees that it should be finished it would be really simple to remove those pages that are not
[11:12] <jjesse> bug #49626
[11:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49626 in example-content "OO-Presenting-Kubuntu.odp missing information" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49626
[11:14] <kwwii> comment added
[11:15] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll finish one pic and put it online and send you a link
[11:16] <Riddell> ok, I don't know when sladen is doing his article but I guess it's not urgent since he's wandering around europe
[11:17] <kwwii> he mentioned to me that he would probably not write it until monday
[11:22] <kwwii> can one install the X includes with apt-get?
[11:23] <crimsun_> yes.
[11:23] <kwwii> xorg-dev?
[11:23] <crimsun_> libx11-dev (and additional ones more than likely)
[11:24] <crimsun_> if you're compiling a kde app, it's easier to just install kdebase-dev
[11:24] <kwwii> I am building styles and window decos
[11:24] <jpatrick> or kdelibs4-dev
[11:24] <kwwii> it wants 78 additional packages either way
[11:25] <kwwii> that was what worried me
[11:25] <crimsun_> no, that's normal
[11:25] <kwwii> cool
[11:30] <kwwii> thanks for the help
[11:30] <crimsun_> np
[11:34] <kwwii> Riddell: to be honest, I would rather wait until it is daylight again to edit these pics...the lights in my office are horrible
[11:35] <kwwii> but I will send you a link once they are done
[11:48] <hunger> Riddell: Are there plans on having dbus with qt4 bindings in edgy?
[11:49] <hunger> It would be soooo nice if you could just grab kde4 from svn and start to build it on edgy:-)


[19:35] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:48] <olly> morning
[19:54] <ajmitch_> morning
[20:13] <mwhudson> morning
[22:09] <chilts_> morning