[12:44] <fausto> wabiD: i'm kinda of a experienced user, i have several backups i made (includding one where everything works), i'm trying to find more finormation for a bug repor i'm writing
[12:44] <fausto> wabiD: and in the process i found 3 more bugs :-(
[12:45] <fausto> wabiD: i rebooted
[12:45] <wabiD> dont you think it should recreate the file on reboot
[12:45] <wabiD> i have a bug for you. when you select 1920x1200 as your lcd profile, the default resolution is 1920x1440
[12:46] <wabiD> and 1920x1200 isnt even an option
[12:47] <fausto> this is one of the bug i'found/will report later, in my case when i select 1280x800 it doesn't have 1280x800 as an option
[12:47] <wabiD> yea thats dumb, so mine is the same thing
[12:47] <wabiD> heres another bug
[12:47] <wabiD> preferences > screen resolution does let you set 1920x1200
[12:48] <TheInfinity> is it possible that something with apt-sources are bad this morning?
[12:48] <wabiD> but it only applies to the desktop, not gdm
[12:48] <fausto> wabiD: have you reported those ones ?
[12:48] <wabiD> no
[12:48] <TheInfinity> a update will kill almost everything ...
[12:48] <dystopianray> is anyone noticing that compiz does not maximise windows properly?
[12:48] <wabiD> dystopianray, yea
[12:48] <dystopianray> is that normal?
[12:48] <wabiD> sometimes it over maximises
[12:48] <wabiD> like terminal
[12:48] <dystopianray> it's undermaximising here
[12:48] <dystopianray> there is a gap all around windows when they are maximised
[12:48] <wabiD> yea
[12:48] <wabiD> i think its the drop shadow or something
[12:49] <wabiD> mine is undermaximizing right now too
[12:49] <wabiD> thats odd the other day it was opposit
[12:49] <dystopianray> it's like the curved window edges disappear
[12:49] <wabiD> yea
[12:49] <wabiD> because it thinks its maximized
[12:52] <wabiD> gimp is a terrible png compressor
[12:53] <penguincentral> wabiD: if we were all quality obsessed, we'd ALL own a copy of photoshop for MAC ;)
[12:53] <wabiD> no but printscreen takes a 1.8mb image of my screen
[12:54] <wabiD> then if i open it in gimp and save with max compression it turns into 2.2mb
[12:54] <wabiD> i lied, nevermind, interlacing the image adds the extra .4mb
[12:55] <dystopianray> randr 1.2 is awesome
[12:57] <scizzo-> moin
[01:01] <wabiD> can anyone explain this or help me fix it - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[01:01] <bXi> whats the problem?
[01:02] <bXi> the big google logo?
[01:02] <kurros> lol
[01:02] <kurros> dpi setting
[01:03] <wabiD> dpi settings just for one program?
[01:03] <wabiD> my about config values are the same
[01:04] <dystopianray> is anyone else getting a default resolution of 1024x768 with intel graphics?
[01:04] <wabiD> layout.css.dpi are set to -1 for both programs
[01:04] <Laser87> hi, i'm using tb as email-client and gran paradiso as browser
[01:04] <Laser87> but links in tb open in firefox
[01:04] <wabiD> edit
[01:05] <Laser87> how can i change this?
[01:05] <wabiD> preferences > set as default
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> heh... the ATI 8.41 driver doesn'tlike my 64bit install
[01:05] <wabiD> sorry for the linebreak k- urros my gran paradiso was like that since i installed it
[01:05] <wabiD> i havnt made one change
[01:05] <Laser87> gran paradiso is the standard browser
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> wha? I thought it was still bon echo..
[01:07] <wabiD> wasnt that 2
[01:07] <dystopianray> is anyone else finding that kopete does not work at all from the livecd?
[01:07] <Laser87> gran paradiso is firefox 3
[01:07] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: it should be wroking...
[01:07] <jc-denton> morning
[01:08] <wabiD> yea i still cant get my gran paradiso images to be normal sizes
[01:08] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: it doesn't do anything when I try to connect to msn or jabber
[01:09] <dystopianray> i will try again on a different system
[01:10] <jc-denton> does anybody have cube running on gutsy?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: oh, erk.  i see.
[01:11] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: it doesn't work for you either?
[01:11] <wabiD> does anyone else have a reason that only one program would have its own dpi settings
[01:11] <Hobbsee> correct
[01:12] <jc-denton> i changed the value for hsize and vsize in /app/compiz/general/screen0/options
[01:12] <jc-denton> but still my 'cube' is still flat and has only 2 workspaces
[01:13] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: if you can track down why that bug occurs, file it.
[01:13] <Laser87> problem solved: edit  network.protocol-handlerapp in the about:config of tb to firefox-granparadiso
[01:14] <Hobbsee> (with a fix)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: it may already be filed, iirc
[01:14] <dystopianray> ok I will look into it
[01:15] <wabiD> whats the difference between desktop plane and desktop wall
[01:20] <penguincentral> !hi | defcon
[01:22] <jc-denton> aha
[01:22] <jc-denton> virtual desktops and workspaces with gnome/compiz are confusing
[01:22] <ubotu> defcon: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[01:23] <BlueParrot> penguincentral: you can have multiple desktops that you switch between
[01:23] <jc-denton> now i got it
[01:23] <penguincentral> ok
[01:23] <jc-denton> you have to set the number of virtual desktops to 1
[01:24] <jc-denton> then set hsize and vsize
[01:24] <penguincentral> eh, if you have no idea what you are doing, then it is best to leave it alone
[01:31] <cypherdelic>  udev hngt ab von volumeid (= 113-0ubuntu13); aber:
[01:31] <cypherdelic>   Paket volumeid ist noch nicht konfiguriert.
[01:31] <cypherdelic> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von udev (--configure):
[01:31] <cypherdelic>  Abhngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
[01:31] <TheInfinity> hello ... perl pakages are broken atm, hmm?
[01:32] <cypherdelic> wine packages are broken
[01:32] <TheInfinity> wine pakages are also broken, yes ;)
[01:32] <TheInfinity> because of perl gutsy wants to uninstall almost everything - including xorg etc
[01:33] <jc-denton> oohh i hate localized stuff in the bash
[01:40] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: no gutsy wine seems not to be broken
[01:40] <cypherdelic> 0.9.45 gutsy seems to work
[01:40] <cypherdelic> but 0.9.46 is out ...
[01:41] <cypherdelic> volumeid 1.1.3 btw is broken
[01:41] <panosru> Hi, how can i input Euro sign in Gutsy?
[01:42] <TheInfinity> cypherdelic: if i install wine via kde control center (it asks to install wine) it installs wine - but then the control center still says that no wine is installed
[01:42] <TheInfinity> alt gr + e
[01:42] <panosru> what is "gr"?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> cypherdelic: you know, there is a fix for that. look it up on launchpad
[01:43] <TheInfinity> the key right side to space key
[01:43] <vader1102> TheInfinity, that would be alt on my keyboard
[01:43] <TheInfinity> its a german keyboard, dont know if it has another text on it in other languages
[01:44] <panosru> oh you mean press righ alt and e ok it worked thanks! :D
[01:44] <TheInfinity> german keyboards have alt and alt gr
[01:44] <vader1102> ahhhhh ok lol
[01:44] <TheInfinity> i think most english ones, too
[01:44] <panosru> in windows i used to press (left) ctrl + (left) alt + e is there a way to make this in ubuntu too?
[01:44] <TheInfinity> some keyboards have 2 times alt although they have different meenings
[01:45] <TheInfinity> nosrednaekim: you never used latex? ;)
[01:45] <panosru> i have russian keyboard for which one i can't find drivers lool
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> TheInfinity: nope :)
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> can't say i'm any worse for it either..
[01:45] <BlueParrot> panosru: if you feel really adventurous you could create a custom keyboard layout
[01:45] <Laser87> panosru: In German System - Einstellunegen - Tastatureinstellungen
[01:45] <BlueParrot> panosru: I did that because I use both norwegian and swedish characters, and I don't like dead-keys
[01:46] <panosru> cool, well for now right alt and e suits me :D
[01:46] <Fastly> i just installed a fresh gutsy beta 1 from cd and update manager says i must now perform a partial upgrade.... then whilst preparing the upgrade the following error is displayed: Could not calculate the upgrade
[01:46] <Fastly> any ideas?
[01:46] <panosru> by the way, does anyone have ergomedia 700? (i'm just curious)
[01:47] <mrtimdog> Hi, which version off gcc was used to build the current generic kernel?
[01:47] <panosru> Fastly, same thing here, i suppose that these upgrades are not yet ready
[01:47] <RAOF> mrtimdog: Probably 4.2
[01:47] <panosru> Fastly, maybe the packages are not uploaded yet
[01:48] <mrtimdog> Thanks RAOF, is that a guess?
[01:48] <Laser87> panosru: should be in English system - preferences - tastatur layout
[01:48] <Fastly> ok, well i suppose this is still a beta release..
[01:49] <panosru> Fastly, yes
[01:49] <panosru> Laser87, what should be there?
[01:49] <RAOF> mrtimdog: Well, that's the default gcc IIRC.  It's possible that it's deliberately built with an older gcc, but I can't think why.
[01:50] <mrtimdog> Ok, thanks. Just building ALSA libs to try and get my sound working.
[01:50] <Laser87> panosru: to give special tastatur combinations a special function
[01:50] <Laser87> (my english left me)
[01:51] <Blackgoth> \\o
[01:51] <Blackgoth> o//
[01:51] <panosru> Laser87, oh great i will check it
[01:51] <vader1102> Laser87, my english allways goes away........ no worries
[01:51] <Blackgoth> what kind of major changes are we seeing in gutsy gibbon beta?
[01:52] <panosru> btw, does anyone know anything about the future of reiserFS ? will they continue the development? will the russian programmers continue the development of reiserFS as i read somewhere in announcements?
[01:52] <Laser87> in compare with tribe 5? no major changes
[01:52] <Blackgoth> oh
[01:52] <mrtimdog> RAOF: Just checked, default gcc is currently 4.1.
[01:52] <scizzo-> Laser87: ?
[01:53] <scizzo-> Laser87: there are loads of changes since tribe 5
[01:53] <Blackgoth> perfect \o/
[01:53] <scizzo-> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[01:53] <RAOF> mrtimdog: Sorry, I must be thinking of Debian :).  Anyway, the kernel is almost certanily built with the default gcc :)
[01:53] <scizzo-> for info about changes
[01:53] <Blackgoth> scizzo-: thanks :)
[01:54] <Laser87> scizzo-: I just got 45 actualisations - mostly from one ubuntu-version to the other - no big deal...
[01:55] <scizzo-> Laser87: well then one kernel version from the other is not a big change either then?
[01:57] <Laser87> scizzo-:  I still have 2.6.22-generic... something wrong with my update?
[01:57] <panosru> TheInfinity, hey man (offtopic) are you from frankfurt?
[01:58] <Laser87> 2.6.22-12 sry
[01:58] <gianluca> hi guys i dont find the page so i ask u when will be disponible all languages pack for 7.10
[01:58] <scizzo-> Laser87: its the latest kernel build for ubuntu
[01:59] <Laser87> I had it already last weekend - so it's nothing new for the beta?
[01:59] <scizzo-> Laser87: no
[01:59] <scizzo-> Laser87: you have surely been on gutsy for a long time
[02:00] <scizzo-> Laser87: you probably already was fully updated since you use gutsy since before the beta release
[02:00] <Laser87> That's why I said, no major differences between the last alpha and the beta
[02:00] <scizzo-> Laser87: ok...install the tribe 5 CD and then upgrade
[02:00] <Laser87> scizzo-: Ok - just a misunderstanding :-)
[02:01] <Blackgoth> damnit, im in a loop
[02:01] <Laser87> I installed alpa tribe 1 and then always updated
[02:01] <scizzo-> Laser87: you are saying that there is no difference between a alpha 5 > beta release?
[02:02] <Laser87> scizzo-: Not no, but no major changings - there have been major changings between the alphas
[02:02] <scizzo-> jesus...I give up
[02:04] <Laser87> I had several Kernel-updates from one alpha to the next - but no from the latest alpha to beta and just 45 actualisations...
[02:04] <TheInfinity> panosru: bochum ;)
[02:05] <panosru> TheInfinity, oh ok... i try to find any mma gym or luta livre in frankfurt and i can't find any :P thats why i'm asksing :P
[02:05] <TheInfinity> just ask in #ubuntu-de e.g.
[02:06] <TheInfinity> i think you will find someone from ffam ;)
[02:06] <panosru> lol right
[02:08] <scizzo-> Laser87: yes I was only talking about kernel changes.......now leave it
[02:08] <kadaka1> whats the command for turning your laptops screen brightness towards maximum ?
[02:08] <scizzo-> Laser87: if you really say there is no major changes between tribe 5 and beta then ok....
[02:15] <Seivan|> Excuse me, I got no sound at all, and I'm running gutsy, Got a Realtek card, but what for  realtek I don't know
[02:15] <Seivan|> ITs a laptop
[02:15] <nosredna_ekim> Seivan|: what chipset?
[02:15] <nosredna_ekim> ATI?
[02:16] <Seivan|> nosredna_ekim: ehm Sound
[02:16] <nosredna_ekim> I know... is it an ATI?
[02:16] <Seivan|> Ati doesnt make sounds for all I know?
[02:16] <kadaka1> heelp! i cant see anything on my screen. I can turn the brightness down, but i cant turn it up
[02:16] <kadaka1> its killing my eyes :S
[02:17] <Seivan|> nosredna_ekim: no its RealTek
[02:17] <nosredna_ekim> kadaka1: lol.. is this a laptop?
[02:17] <kadaka1> i tried this:  xgamma -gamma 0.6
[02:17] <kadaka1> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":1.0".
[02:17] <kadaka1> Unable to query video extension version
[02:17] <kadaka1> nosredna_ekim: yeah
[02:17] <kadaka1> Lenovo 3000 N200
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> Seivan|: I know I know...but do you have an intel or an ATI or an nvidia chipset, i.e what is your graphics card
[02:18] <Seivan|> I have Intel, but my graphicscard is nvidia 8600
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> ok.. so its intel.
[02:19] <Seivan|> yeah
[02:19] <nosredna_ekim> look up your laptop on www.linux-laptop.net
[02:19] <Seivan|> I can choose between two devices, HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) and Realtek ID 268 (OSS Mixer)
[02:19] <nosredna_ekim> use the HDA intel
[02:19] <kadaka1> the brighness controls worked under 7.04
[02:20] <nosredna_ekim> kadaka1: heh... i'm glad I have hardware brightness control'
[02:20] <Seivan|> nosredna_ekim: still no sound
[02:20] <nosredna_ekim> Seivan|: look up you laptop on the above link and see if anyone has done this b4.
[02:22] <kadaka1> if i plug AC in, then its normal brightness
[02:22] <nosredna_ekim> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:23] <kadaka1> ubuntu 7.10
[02:24] <nosredna_ekim> kadaka1: ah. I only know how to hack the kubuntu power/brightness manager
[02:24] <kadaka1> tell me, maybe its usable
[02:25] <nosredna_ekim> its called guidance-power-manager
[02:26] <CountX> yo yo yo wats up
[02:27] <cwillu> I spent 8 hours at denny's yesterday, and I'm not an employee of theirs
[02:27] <CountX> lol
[02:27] <CountX> i spend 9 hours at class
[02:27] <CountX> sometimes 10
[02:27] <CountX> today
[02:27] <CountX> at 9am
[02:27] <CountX> till 5
[02:27] <nosredna_ekim> they have goood wifi or someting ?
[02:28] <igorgue> udev broken on last update?
[02:28] <CountX> no i go to class
[02:28] <cwillu> yes, in the sense of having it at all, and giving me lots and lots of coffee
[02:28] <CountX> is ut2k4 fun on linux?
[02:28] <CountX> like can i play with windows users on a LAN?
[02:28] <ssam> igorgue, yes
[02:29] <igorgue> :S
[02:29] <igorgue> a lot of changes since yesterday
[02:29] <ssam> igorgue, there is a bug, and i think it has been fix, but the new package has not hit the repos yet
[02:30] <igorgue> ok cool
[02:33] <CountX> F@#!
[02:33] <CountX> I CANT PLAY UT2004
[02:33] <CountX> Can't find 'ini:Engine.Engine.GameEngine' in configuration file
[02:34] <DjDarkman> hello
[02:34] <cwillu> hey hey
[02:34] <cwillu> look at this guy, saying hello to the channel
[02:34] <cwillu> who does he think he is?  :p
[02:34] <DjDarkman> I have a problem here, If I install xgl, then kubuntu will run it automaticle with every session
[02:35] <d1006> that's the intended working of XGL
[02:35] <cwillu> DjDarkman: I _think_ it'll just work
[02:35] <DjDarkman> but the problem comes when I need a _non_xgl session
[02:35] <cwillu> DjDarkman: it's not too hard to change it if it doesn't though;  any kdm guide can walk you through it
[02:36] <cwillu> gdm, kdm et al all have ways of specifying alternate sessions
[02:36] <d1006> cwillu: he's saying it *does* start every time, presumably he doesn't want that
[02:36] <d1006> or that's what i understood ^_^
[02:36] <DjDarkman> I mean that I feisty
[02:36] <DjDarkman> I made an xgl session
[02:36] <d1006> it's changed since feisty
[02:37] <d1006> look on the forums, there's posts about how toggle it on/off as such
[02:37] <DjDarkman> and if I wanted to go to kde without xgl then I selected the kde session
[02:37] <nosredna_ekim> DjDarkman: gutsy doesn't do that? wow..
[02:37] <DjDarkman> gutsy runs xgl no mather what the session
[02:37] <nosredna_ekim> gutsy automatically makes your only session XGL?
[02:37] <nosredna_ekim> thats not good.
[02:38] <DjDarkman> and my ati videocard is so good that it can only run OpenGL if I`m in a non-xgl session
[02:38] <d1006> xgl automatically makes xgl your default session
[02:38] <d1006> like i already said though, just check the forums for how to disable it, it's easy
[02:38] <nosredna_ekim> d1006: didn't do that for me before...
[02:38] <cwillu> DjDarkman: free driver doesn't work?
[02:38] <nosredna_ekim> DjDarkman: just remove xgl?
[02:39] <DjDarkman> cwillu: no it doesn`t
[02:39] <d1006> xgl in gutsy does nosredna_ekim - old xgl didn't
[02:39] <nosredna_ekim> ah.
[02:39] <DjDarkman> nosredna_ekim: but I want to sometimes use compiz and sometimes I don`t
[02:39] <nosredna_ekim> DjDarkman: same here...
[02:39] <d1006> DjDarkman: look on the forums. your solution is easy
[02:40] <LjL> i suppose xgl is still supposed to be used for ati cards only...?
[02:40] <d1006> if the reason for using it is to enable a compix/et al then yes
[02:41] <LjL> what's another reason?
[02:41] <nosredna_ekim> old old nvidia cards
[02:41] <cwillu> LjL: I'm planning on using it to do multiseat with accelerated opengl
[02:41] <cwillu> but I don't know of any good reasons beyond that :p
[02:50] <Reaby> can i change easily nautilus / metacity _NET_WORKAREA thing.
[02:51] <Reaby> or change how big will windows grow when maximized
[02:54] <CountX> oh my
[02:54] <CountX> when i try any play ut2004 i get this error "Critical: Negative delta time!"
[02:54] <CountX> wtf
[03:01] <CountX> how can i specify that a program only use one core of my cpu?
[03:02] <cwillu> CountX: 'apropos affinity' in the console
[03:03] <CountX> ?
[03:03] <CountX> i need to tell the program i launch to use one cpu because it crashes when i run it with both
[03:03] <TheVault> Why I ran 7.10 for the first time, There was no ubuntu startup sound like usual nor was there that screen showing whats loading up. Has this not been implemented yet in the beta?
[03:03] <CountX> so i cant change it after i start it....
[03:04] <cwillu> CountX: I'm telling you how to find the answer.
[03:04] <bullgard4> Is there a manual page for 'libdiscover1' in Gutsy?
[03:04] <CountX> i cant figure out how to use it
[03:04] <CountX> can you give me an example?
[03:04] <cwillu> TheVault: doesn't sound right, but I could be mistaken
[03:05] <cwillu> CountX: have you run the command yet?
[03:05] <CountX> yes
[03:05] <cwillu> did it mention taskset?
[03:05] <CountX> yes
[03:05] <cwillu> man taskset
[03:05] <TheVault> cwillu: Yeah, it did not have no startup sound nor the screen where it shows whats loading up. but in feisty fawn it does that jus fine. I downloaded the Beta ISO last night
[03:05] <cwillu> TheVault: is it playing any sound at all?
[03:06] <cwillu> it might have been disabled (running off tribe-3 upgraded)
[03:06] <TheVault> cwillu: Well I have not gone that far. Gutsy was taking a really slow time loading up and I have a very fast computer. I donno.
[03:06] <d1006> TheVault: the gnome splash screen is disabled atm for gutsy, so it's not a bug that you don't see it
[03:06] <cwillu> TheVault: off the livecd, or after an install?
[03:06] <cwillu> d1006: ah, didn't know that
[03:06] <TheVault> d1006: Ahh that makes sense
[03:07] <CountX> cwillu, i have to leave, how might i run something with 1 cpu using that?
[03:07] <TheVault> cwillu: LIVE CD, I'm not installing Gutsy til final release
[03:07] <TheVault> d1006: Also, I was told there is a built in settings manager for Compiz Fusion, where is that? I can't use the cube & other things. Any ideas on that?
[03:08] <d1006> TheVault: you need to install that, it's not installed by default (well, the default is like...2 options i think)
[03:08] <d1006> compiz-configuration-manager or similar in synaptic
[03:09] <MatthewV> compizconfig-settings-manager iirc
[03:09] <TheVault> d1006: Ahh ok, Thank you very much for the information. I thought something went wrong during when I burned the ISO onto the DVD
[03:09] <TheVault> And that it skipped the Gnome Splash Manager & things
[03:09] <d1006> nps and yes it's called what MatthewV said
[03:11] <TheVault> d1006: Any other information that I should be aware of?
[03:12] <d1006> TheVault: it's beta and some things are or get broke :D searching the gutsy forums is A+ though
[03:12] <cwillu> I feel the need to point out that it's a beta, and that breakage is expected
[03:12] <d1006> snap cwillu :P
[03:13] <cwillu> :p
[03:13] <TheVault> d1006: Of course its the beta :P
[03:13] <TheVault> d1006: Well I'm off to try out Gutsy again and see if I get AWN installed using the LIVE cd. Laters & thanks again 4 the help
[03:14] <cwillu> awn?
[03:14] <d1006> :shrug: :P
[03:15] <bullgard4> Is there a manual page for 'libdiscover1' in Gutsy?
[03:15] <cwillu> bullgard4: might need a -doc package installed first
[03:16] <cwillu> although I don't see one
[03:16] <cwillu> could check the -dev package
[03:16] <cwillu> but the package itself only has a changelog and copyright in share/doc/
[03:17] <cwillu> bullgard4: what do you need it for?
[03:18] <bullgard4> cwillu: To better understand and use the hardware identification mechanism of Ubuntu.
[03:19] <cwillu> have you looked through hal and udev stuff yet?
[03:24] <savvas> um has anyone updated today?
[03:24] <savvas> Unpacking replacement xserver-xorg-core ...
[03:24] <savvas> Setting up volumeid (113-0ubuntu13) ...
[03:24] <savvas> /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")
[03:24] <LjL> ugh
[03:25] <LjL> let me check if my xserver-xorg-core got updated
[03:25] <Hobbsee> savvas: yes....
[03:25] <d1006> yes but that error is a udev error
[03:25] <Hobbsee> LjL: read more carefully.
[03:25] <savvas> yeah, I saw it crash
[03:25] <Hobbsee> savvas: already fixed, waiting to build.
[03:25] <savvas> Hobbsee: so I shouldn't restart gnome?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> or you could just fix the script if you like
[03:25] <Hobbsee> gnome?  that wont make any differnece, i expect
[03:26] <savvas> oh, ok then :)
[03:26] <LjL> Hobbsee: sorry. how come i wasn't caught by that? (on the other hand, i think there's a file in kbluetooth that is also in qobex)
[03:26] <savvas> brb
[03:26] <RainCT> hi
[03:26] <Hobbsee> LjL: i've already fixed tha tone.
[03:27] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh, that must be why my adept icon is still in the tray :P
[03:27] <RainCT> will there be Gutsy CDs?  :o)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> LjL: qobex was removed earlier in the gutsy release cycle.  i fixed it by making libkbluetooth0 conflict with qobex, and qobex-dev so it doesnt break upgrades.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> (qobex in turn already conflicted with qobex-dev, and we need to nuke both)
[03:31] <savvas> cool, so waiting for udev and volumeid :)
[03:31] <MarkC> i've made a program that does nothing(it's blank) but i have a problem on linking: /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm/papersize.h:37: undefined reference to `Glib::ustring::ustring(char const*)'. so what could cause this? im sure my automake.am file's cool. i even used: INCLUDES = `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtkmm-2.4`it ran the last time, but ever since ive upgraded to gutsy this happens could it be related?
[03:31] <LjL> uhm Hobbsee, not that i couldn't just purge qobex out of the planet, but out of curiosity, how come libkbluetooth isn't removing qobex itself even after an apt-get clean?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> LjL: because you dont have the latest one?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> apt-get clean is unrelated
[03:32] <RainCT> Hobbsee: I see you are specially kindly today
[03:32] <LjL> Hobbsee: well, i've typed apt-get update+dist-upgrade like a dozen times, though perhaps it hasn't made it to my mirrors yet
[03:33] <savvas> I'm using the uk mirrors
[03:33] <Hobbsee> RainCT: you're the 50 billionth person who has asked about those cds.  what do you expect me to say?  we put things in the topic, like we do in the bot, so we dont have to keep answering the same questions.  and so what do people do?  dont bother to read them.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> LjL: which version of kdebluetooth do you have?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> (you're wanting ubuntu4)
[03:33] <LjL> Hobbsee: Installed: 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3
[03:33] <d1006> savvas:
[03:34] <LjL> same for candidate
[03:34] <savvas> d1006: ?
[03:34] <d1006> just fix the file yourself if you don't wanna wait
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: that's why, then.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: (mirror outdated)
[03:34] <LjL> Hobbsee: trying archive.ubuntu.com
[03:34] <savvas> d1006: no, it's fine, since nothing's broken :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: oh, it's just building now
[03:34] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[03:34] <d1006> okay ^_^
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: there was a mass perl-modules giveback, so everything's still building.
[03:35] <LjL> i'll wait then
[03:35] <RainCT> Hobbsee: I don't see it says anything about CDs or DVD in the topic and it's easy to thing releases.ubuntu.com is the same as cdimage.ubuntu.com.  I had an error with update-manager before this big update. when I ran update-manager it popped an error saying: Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:
[03:35] <savvas> 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[03:35] <Hobbsee> that's a *lot* to  build
[03:35] <Hobbsee> savvas: already reported.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> although if you've got useful logs to add, please find the bug and add it to them.
[03:36] <savvas> didn't find anything in the system logs I checked, Hobbsee :(
[03:36] <cwillu> RainCT: main difference being that one has the beta, the other doesn't
[03:36] <savvas> I might as well sit back then :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> RainCT: the last line, yeah.  r.u.c != cdimage.u.c.  releases.u.c does the official cds (as in,official arches), and cdimage does the daily builds, and unofficial images.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> savvas: darn.  was hoping that there was something.  oh well.
[03:37] <RainCT> ah ok, thx
[03:37] <LjL> Hobbsee: about bluetooth... there is a bug report about that - kblueplugd crashing on login - with people saying conflicting things. but i kind of suspect it's just that... 'bluetooth' doesn't get installed by default (even even when it is, it doesn't get *started* by default as it gets no /etc/rc2.d script)
[03:37] <savvas> Hobbsee: haven't checked dpkg though, let me see
[03:37] <LjL> and kblueplugd doesn't like that i suppose
[03:37] <Hobbsee> LjL: i didnt look into that one
[03:37] <DevideZero> un kubuntu 7.10 i will not able to choose the root pass like kubuntu 7.04 ?
[03:37] <phil_> RainCT: i think one has cd images and the other dvd images
[03:38] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: incorrect.  it hasnt changed.
[03:38] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's a bug that will get quite a few duplicates i suspect, as apport catches it right when you login
[03:38] <foondan> hi
[03:39] <Hobbsee> phil_: please read what i said.  i said that hte unofficial arches are on cdimage, (which includes things like ppc), and the dvds are, because they'r eunofficial.
[03:39] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , it will be changed sometime ?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> phil_: the official cds are on releases.u.c
[03:39] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: why would it be?
[03:39] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , in all the other linux dist i can choose root pass . . .
[03:39] <LjL> not that kblueplugd *ought* to crash just because bluez isn't installed, but
[03:40] <Hobbsee> !root
[03:40] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:40] <LjL> !root | DevideZero
[03:40] <ubotu> DevideZero: please see above
[03:40] <cwillu> DevideZero: #ubuntu might be a better place to discuss it
[03:40] <foondan> I've got a question about a sl-modem bug
[03:40] <cwillu> ooo, ubotu's getting smarter :)
[03:41] <hylje> cwillu: always been doing that
[03:41] <savvas> Hobbsee: sorry, it's long gone, but I think it was the tracker tool, it was listed in the kept back while I was updating
[03:41] <cwillu> hylje: 'please see above?'   not always.  for a while, but not always :p
[03:41] <LjL> cwillu: yeah, for a while though
[03:41] <DevideZero> cwillu , i know who to run software with root access , and i know that i can sudo -i . . . but i dont understand wahy kubuntu ban the users to choose root pass and get to super user
[03:42] <cwillu> DevideZero: it doesn't.  It just doesn't make it easy for them to shoot themselves in their feet
[03:42] <LjL> DevideZero: how does it ban you from getting to super user?
[03:42] <LjL> when you type sudo -i, you *become* the superuser
[03:42] <foondan> There is no dev assigned to the sl-modem kernel module compile bug. would somebody please have a look at it?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: they dont.  please actually read that page.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> gah.  damned people who are incapable of searching for dupes.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> nope, someone else go tit.
[03:43] <bullgard4> cwillu: hal-spec.html does not mention libdiscover1.
[03:43] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , one question i can choose *somehow* even iin "hard" way the root pass (like in ubuntu) or not ?
[03:44] <LjL> DevideZero: you didn't read the page did you
[03:44] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: you'll find the answer to that if you actually read the page.
[03:44] <RAdams> Any thoughts on Reiser4 as a main FS for an Ubuntu install? I'm on the live CD and pondering a change from ext3
[03:45] <LjL> oh wait Hobbsee...
[03:45] <cwillu> RAdams: -> #ubuntu
[03:45] <void^> RAdams: the livecd/default ubuntu kernels support reiser4?
[03:46] <Tecumseh> anyone having problems with the updates that came today? package volumeid is nog able to be configured
[03:46] <jack_mcdowell> they just worked now,
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tecumseh: /topic.
[03:46] <RAdams> void^: You have to install the reiser4 tools
[03:46] <Tecumseh> thx Hobbsee
[03:46] <RAdams> cwillu: I asked there, no opinions were presented
[03:47] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , so i need this ? "sudo passwd -l root"
[03:47] <RAdams> I'm using Gusty anyway :o
[03:47] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: yeah.  (and i'm not sure who changed that page)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> sorry, without the -l
[03:47] <cwillu> RAdams: so obviously the answer is to come bug people in the beta :p
[03:47] <RAdams> cwillu: Of course, if I'm using Gusty
[03:47] <RAdams> which I am
[03:48] <RainCT> lol
[03:48] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , ok last question , for kde what will be this command ? "gksudo "gnome-open %u""
[03:48] <foondan> Could some dev please have a look at #103072
[03:48] <foondan> bug ##103072
[03:48] <asisak> bug 103072
[03:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103072 in sl-modem "[Feisty & Gutsy Tribe]  sl-modem module doesn't compile" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103072
[03:48] <void^> RAdams: there's a module available?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: depends on what %u expands to, but usually kdesudo %u
[03:49] <RAdams> void^: sudo apt-get install reiser4progs libaal-dev libreiser4-dev
[03:50] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , to create shortcut with "kdesudo %u" command ?
[03:51] <void^> RAdams: it suggests kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4
[03:51] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: what shortcut do you want to create?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: but yes, if you wish
[03:51] <RAdams> void^: yes, it does
[03:52] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , like they say in this page , sortcut for "drag and drop" what i will run something with "automatic" sudo
[03:52] <void^> RAdams: so you need to compile it and make sure it gets included in the initramfs which is a bit of a pain
[03:53] <RAdams> void^: I can format a partition as reiser4 right now
[03:53] <RAdams> void^: from the live CD, then boot from it. I'm just not sure I want to
[03:54] <cwillu> RAdams: what are you looking for?  or just because it seems cool?
[03:54] <void^> you can format it, but how are you going to mount it..?
[03:54] <cwillu> RAdams: it's not cool, it's not fun, there's nothing to see here :)
[03:54] <RAdams> cwillu: Please don't patronize me. I understand the difference between filesystems.
[03:55] <RAdams> I'm looking for increased speed and handling many small files, while maintaining integrity in the event of system crashes, hung inodes, etc.
[03:55] <cwillu> iirc, you'll lose some integrity (ext3 can do more extensive journalling)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> LjL: udev stuff has all been built now.  we should be right.
[03:56] <savvas> yep, updated
[03:59] <RAdams> cwillu: http://kernelnewbies.org/WhyReiser4IsNotIn Interesting article I found via google.
[04:00] <RAdams> and http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/7/21/109 for Hans' side
[04:01] <savvas> I'm glad everything works in Gutsy, even the Marvell ATA/SATA controller :)
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Howdies all.
[04:03] <penguin42> Does anyone know how to 1) disable totem-plugin (or turn off individual file type bindings) or  2) Configure the plugin so it doesn't do 3D visualisation stuff (It seems to be turned off in the stand alone app)
[04:04] <penguin42> Hi Dr
[04:08] <foondan> Does some dev have some time to help me?
[04:08] <penguin42> LjL: Does that mean the fix for volumeid has gone in?
[04:08] <cwillu> penguin42: you can rename/move/delete the plugin from the mozilla plugins directory (assuming you're talking about firefox?)
[04:09] <kirkunit> urgh.. i've managed to hose my system doing a dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy. Boot splash screen hangs and if I try and earlier Kernel X is not configured. Can anyone help?
[04:09] <LjL> penguin42: it should have, though i guess it still depends on the mirror
[04:09] <penguin42> cwillu: Well I am using firefox; and if I go to about:plugins it has 'enabled: yes' for all the items - that does suggest you can disable it!
[04:09] <penguin42> LjL: OK, the update I did a couple of hours ago still had it
[04:10] <Hobbsee> !weekend | foondan
[04:10] <ubotu> foondan: It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[04:11] <cwillu> penguin42: are you sure it's not xv related?
[04:11] <panosru> hi, how can i convert video files into 3gp format?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Testing out some New installs -  and i noticed a oddity. if you use restricted-manager on a clean new install (first thing i did) it was unable to get the nvidia (or ati) drivers. due to the proper repository not being enabled,  - Anyone else notice this?
[04:11] <cwillu> penguin42: I didn't think totem's visuals were actually accelerated
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Took me 5 sec to enable them.. but my newbie friend was confused. :)
[04:11] <cwillu> panosru: --> #ubuntu (this is mostly about gutsy beta troubleshooting)
[04:12] <d1006> Dr_willis: without changing repos on a fresh install restricted drivers worked fine
[04:12] <d1006> (for me)#
[04:12] <panosru> oh ok! :D
[04:12] <Dr_willis> d1006, did ya do a apt-get update first?   Could be somthign tehy fixed real fast.
[04:12] <penguin42> cwillu: I thought it was Xv related when I had a crash with compiz+video playing last week; but I just had a matching crash playing an MP3 via the totem plugin - I guess it might startup Xv even if it has no video
[04:12] <cwillu> kirkunit: reboot, and remove splash and quiet from the kernel line
[04:12] <cwillu> penguin42: that's what I'm guessing
[04:12] <penguin42> cwillu: What's broken with it? Xv used to be stable as a rock on feisty on i945
[04:12] <cwillu> penguin42: open gstreamer-properties, go to video, and set it to noxv
[04:13] <kirkunit> cwillu: ok thanks.. i'll try that...brb
[04:13] <d1006> Dr_willis: pretty sure it was from a totally fresh install. perhaps a repo or connection issue. need more details though i think, as it did work for me fine
[04:13] <cwillu> Xv was/is broken on some intel's with compiz running
[04:13] <penguin42> cwillu: But the thing is I've now got compiz off - which is what confused me
[04:13] <cwillu> a recent update fixed it on my particular card, so you might try that
[04:13] <d1006> however if it was fixed /updated between me using it and the beta fresh install, there's no prob now i guess
[04:14] <cwillu> penguin42: it's only broken in the browser?
[04:14] <penguin42> cwillu: I'm not 100% sure
[04:14] <ReL1K> cwillu: the updates today?
[04:14] <gnomefreak> penguin42: if it worked in feisty not in gutsy using a i945 my thought would be the new intel drivers (since they ahve been an issue for a month or 2
[04:14] <gnomefreak> s/ahve/have
[04:14] <ReL1K> i got an intel card and xv is still unstable..haven't updated yet today
[04:14] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Is this the 'intel' as opposed to 'i810' drivers?
[04:15] <cwillu> ReL1K: no, updated a week ago
[04:15] <ReL1K> ah
[04:15] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its the experimental intel drivers this houses driver for i810 and up
[04:15] <gnomefreak> maybe one or 2 lower as well
[04:16] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its wrapped up in xserver-xorg-intell-something   (cant think of name of it off hand
[04:16] <penguin42> gnomefreak: If the new driver is flaky why not just stick to the old one for older chips?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:16] <cwillu> penguin42: newer driver has much better head-detection, among other things
[04:16] <gnomefreak> penguin42: im guessing they will get bugs out of it
[04:17] <gnomefreak> since it was uploaded yesterday/early this morning they have changed a few things | hard to tell since im not looking at changelog
[04:18] <ReL1K> there were intel driver updates today?
[04:18] <penguin42> hmph - no changelog.hz in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:18] <gnomefreak> .hz?
[04:18] <penguin42> typo
[04:18] <penguin42> no changelog.gz
[04:19] <gnomefreak> source or LP will hold the changelog
[04:19] <penguin42> LP?
[04:19] <gnomefreak> give me a minute
[04:19] <penguin42> a bit unfortunate - I'm used to looking at the changelog.gz's
[04:19] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[04:19] <penguin42> ah
[04:20] <penguin42> there is a note in the xserver-xorg-video-i810 in the last update of 'use xf86XVFillKeyHelperDrawable() to fix video playback with compositing enabled'
[04:20] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:21] <penguin42> hmm but that i810 fix was August
[04:21] <LjL> reinstating the topic because at least 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4 of kdebluetooth hasn't made it to archive.ubuntu.com yet, not to mention the other mirrors
[04:22] <gnomefreak> penguin42: the link i gave you is the changelog for the experimental package (not really experimental) not sure why we call it that maybe due to some of the drivers in it
[04:22] <penguin42> nod - thanks; I think that is the driver I'm using now - although as I said; I turned compiz of last week - I'd rather have stable than pretty
[04:22] <gnomefreak> Allow xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xserver-xorg-video-intel to coexist until -intel is able to replace it completely.
[04:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:23] <xero9364> upping the dates
[04:23] <xero9364> 90 of em
[04:23] <penguin42> which is why was more surprised when it crashed in the same way
[04:24] <xero9364> Wait. What's broken in this batch?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> LjL: the broken packages is it just kdebluetooth? i know bluetooth on gnome is up to its old tricks again
[04:24] <penguin42> if intel cards aren't stable on release it'll be pretty bad; I hate to think how many people we'll get with it
[04:25] <gnomefreak> penguin42: again it will get fixed "forget the word "experimental" for now
[04:25] <LjL> gnomefreak, there also seems to be an udev problem, though i haven't experienced it, but it has been confirmed. people won't die out of waiting a few minutes before pressing Enter on their dist-upgrade, anyway ;)
[04:25] <TheVault> how do you get the cube to work in gutsy. I'm using the LIVE CD right now I can do other things besides the cube. Any ideas or maybe a change in key combination?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> LjL: thats not good
[04:26] <xero9364> TheVault, the cube isn't there until you install compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:26] <xero9364> and tweak it
[04:26] <Trewas> xvideo actually works now on 915GM with intel driver, it did not work a week or so ago when I tested... at least the driver improves :)
[04:26] <TheVault> xero9364: I did sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager and it said "something not found. So that don't work
[04:27] <LjL> savvas, please inform me if/when you can upgrade without the udev error, if you don't mind
[04:27] <xero9364> TheVault, then I don't know. Ask someone else.
[04:27] <gnomefreak> LjL: either i did the udev update yesterday or it was pulled out of updates
[04:27] <TheVault> Hmmm I'll keep trying
[04:27] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using adept-manager to upgrade from feisty.  but upon installing the packages, i'm having core dump from perl.  any ideas?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> but i am not getting errors
[04:27] <xero9364> Do you have an Advanced Desktop Effects Settings in your System>Preferences?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> fulat2k: dont use adept to upgrade
[04:27] <xero9364> If so, CLICKY CLICKY!!!
[04:27] <TheVault> Nah, its not there
[04:27] <fulat2k> gnomefreak: i'm on kubuntu
[04:28] <LjL> gnomefreak, well, for that matter i didn't get the problem at all, but hobbsee confirmed it - she also confirmed it as fixed now, but since she also said the new kdebluetooth package has finished building, and yet i still can't get it from archive.ubuntu.com...
[04:28] <gnomefreak> fulat2k: upgrading for some reason is broken for 98% of users with adept or not
[04:28] <TheVault> xero9364: Nah, the Advanced Desktop Effects is not there
[04:28] <gnomefreak> LjL: hmmmm
[04:28] <xero9364> TheVault, then I'm stumped.
[04:28] <TheVault> Yeah I know :P
[04:28] <TheVault> Unless I gotta enable more repositories here on the LIVE CD :P
[04:29] <xero9364> Try universe/mltiverse
[04:29] <gnomefreak> TheVault: no but depends what crad you have
[04:29] <TheVault> Yeah, I'm opening up that now
[04:29] <wersdaluv> what's the opensync gui frontend for gutsy?
[04:29] <gnomefreak> card*
[04:29] <TheVault> gnomefreak: crad?
[04:29] <TheVault> oh :P
[04:29] <gnomefreak> card*
[04:29] <TheVault> Yeah I got a card that works with Compiz Fusion
[04:30] <TheVault> Its the Intel Integrated 945GM Chipset
[04:30] <gnomefreak> TheVault: some of the intels work outof box others you have to use restricted-manager to enable the drivers and it wil set everything up for you.
[04:30] <gnomefreak> TheVault: should be out of box supportt
[04:30] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Well in my case the restricted manager did not come up so I'm assuming thaat it works right outta the box
[04:31] <TheVault> I'll figure it out. Thanks guys for the help
[04:33] <penguin42> Which Intel cards need restricted?
[04:36] <jack_mcdowell> penguin42: to get the most up to date drivers I use envy, ubuntu will probably run anyway, but you wont get the most out of your card
[04:37] <jack_mcdowell> penguin, sorry, envy is for ati and nvidia :)
[04:37] <sear_yoda> whee, the new perl-modules made it in!
[04:38] <jack_mcdowell> penguin: but the same goes for intel, if you want the most out your card  use the restricted drivers (you should also be willing to edit the xorg.conf if you do this)
[04:39] <Trewas> there are no restricted drivers for intel graphics cards
[04:39] <Trewas> though "cards" is a bit overstatement because they only have integrated stuff
[04:39] <jack_mcdowell> :) my bad, I'm not an intel person
[04:40] <albert23> LjL: I just survived 148 updates, including udev (on Gnome)
[04:40] <sear_yoda> udev/volumeid are fixed as of now
[04:40] <LjL> fixed *and* on the mirrors?
[04:40] <sear_yoda> looks like it
[04:40] <LjL> because *ubuntu4 of kdebluetooth still isn't
[04:41] <sear_yoda> Get:10 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main volumeid 113-0ubuntu14 [74.3kB]
[04:41] <jack_mcdowell> yep, all upgrades work on the mirrors it seems
[04:41] <Hobbsee> LjL: may just not be published yet?
[04:42] <LjL> Hobbsee: 'published' meaning... on the mirrors?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:42] <Hobbsee> well, even on a.u.c
[04:42] <LjL> Hobbsee: were the udev thing and the kdebluetooth thing in the same batch?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hm, definetly should be there by now
[04:42] <Hobbsee> LjL: udev was earlier
[04:42] <Hobbsee> LjL: but i've no idea how long the mass giveback took
[04:43] <LjL> uhm well Hobbsee, i don't suppose many people have qobex installed? (it wasn't a dependency of much, was it)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> LjL: they probably did from feisty
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i suspect it was a dep of kdebluetooth then.
[04:44] <LjL> then it's still a big issue for kubuntu users - i still have 18 packages not fully updated or blah blah
[04:44] <LjL> i think i'll wait before changing the topic
[04:44] <Hobbsee> LjL: patience, patience.  give it a couple of hours.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> besides, that thing's been broken for days.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> a couple more hours wont hurt.
[04:44] <LjL> sure Hobbsee, i'm just thinking about whether to change the topic back or not
[04:44] <Hobbsee> based on how many people use kubuntu, it should be fine
[04:45] <Hobbsee> but i would leave it, for the perl stuff
[04:45] <LjL> ...
[04:45] <LjL> well *i* use kubuntu and you use kubuntu, it makes almost 1% of the users of this channel :P
[04:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: hehe :)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: point
[04:46] <d1006> no one seems to read the topic anyway so.. ;)
[04:46] <LjL> that, too
[04:46] <darwin81> Can anyone post in the pastebin what the default Gutsy sources.list is? I was stupid and forgot to make a backup before messing with it.
[04:46] <sear_yoda> try the sources.list generator
[04:46] <LjL> !source-o-matic | darwin81
[04:46] <ubotu> darwin81: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:47] <LjL> mine is not very "default"!
[04:47] <kevinO> does ubuntu support bluetooth devices
[04:47] <penguin42> yeh! /me forcibly extracts the URL to the realplayer stream for a Beeb radio program and stuffs into gmplayer
[04:47] <penguin42> kevinO: Yes
[04:47] <LjL> kevinO: yes
[04:47] <kevinO> penguin, can you guys point me in the right direction
[04:48] <LjL> kevinO, do you have the 'bluetooth' package installed?
[04:48] <kevinO> nop
[04:48] <LjL> sure?
[04:48] <LjL> try  apt-cache policy bluetooth
[04:48] <kevinO> cool
[04:48] <Vorbote> darwin81, there is always /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[04:49] <LjL> The following packages will be REMOVED:  qobex
[04:49] <LjL> so, i think it has made it
[04:50] <kevinO> LjL:  ok i did that it says there are none installed, should I install the "bluetooth" package
[04:50] <LjL> kevinO: i think so
[04:50] <LjL> Hobbsee: (see, bluetooth isn't installed by default even on gnome... even though perhaps the gnome bluetooth tools don't crash like the kde ones :>)
[04:51] <kevinO>  ok i installed the package "bluetooth", now how do i configure it?
[04:52] <LjL> kevinO, you could use the console tools, but i'm pretty sure there are some GUI tools available by default in GNOME. you should ask someone else or check your menus, though, because i'm on KDE
[04:52] <Vorbote> ./j ##freebsd
[04:52] <Vorbote> rats!
[04:52] <kevinO> ok
[04:52] <penguin42> Haha! Revealed
[04:53] <LjL> traitor
[04:53] <Vorbote> Hahaha
[04:53] <LjL> oh and, i got a new udev too in the current batch of archive.ubuntu.com uploads
[04:55] <Vorbote> I wish there was support for vserver in Gutsy....
[04:55] <LjL> what's a vserver exactly?
[04:56] <dopez> Vorbote: userspace apps for openvz seems to be in gutsy, so you only need to make your own kernel
[04:56] <fraco> I use gnome, but with the upgrade to gutsy the default mouse pointer changed to that of kde.  A chroot with its own network, devices and security isolated from the host, but using the host's kernel. It doesn't have the DomU/Dom0 overhead of Xen.
[04:56] <LjL> uhm i thought the default mouse pointer was the same in GNOME and KDE
[04:56] <Dr_willis> fraco,  gnome has selectable cursor themes, it can even show them/change them on the fly.
[04:57] <Vorbote> And you don't need a hypervisor for have run at metal speeds.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> Theres the 'X' cursor, then kde, and gnome both can have their own. I recall. but they both default to the normal X cuersor.
[04:57] <dopez> oh, and i just saw that the utils for vserver is also already included in gutsy
[04:57] <fraco> Dr_willis, how do I change them?
[04:57] <LjL> Vorbote, doesn't that sound like kvm - which i think is supported?
[04:57] <fraco> coz all the gnome desktop themes refer to the default pointer
[04:57] <LjL> (since feisty)
[04:57] <fraco> i g2g
[04:57] <fraco> sorry
[04:57] <Dr_willis> fraco,  theres a Mouse cursor theme tool somewhere...
[04:58] <kevinO> anyone know why I get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[04:58] <Vorbote> LjL, no, KVM needs a hardware hypervisor. vserver does resource partitioning on the system.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> or at least there used to be.. :) cant find it.
[04:58] <LjL> what is this, bluetooth-packages-breakage day?
[04:58] <Vorbote> LjL, it is very mush alike to Solaris Zones.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kevinO: because it's not there?
[04:58] <LjL> Vorbote: uhm well i'll have to read up on that. though apt-cache search vserver does show some related stuff
[04:59] <kevinO> Hobbsee: i think your wrong
[04:59] <Hobbsee> kevinO: at least, according to wget it's not there.
[04:59] <LjL> ehm no, she's not wrong
[04:59] <Vorbote> LjL, yes, the tools but not the patched kernels. BTW, Debian seems to have halted Xen kernels and focused on vserver. I'm using Sid to play with vserver and I'm very enthusiastic about it.
[04:59] <LjL> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is a 404
[05:00] <xero9364> Is it safe to update yet?
[05:00] <kevinO> well maybe i shgould rephrase my question, Why is it not there
[05:01] <LjL> kevinO: that's another question, to which i don't know the answer
[05:01] <Hobbsee> kevinO: is it on the regular a.u.c?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> if so, then it just hasnt propogated to your mirror.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> if not, then you'll need to look further
[05:02] <LjL> Hobbsee: it is there on the italian mirror for instance, but it's not on a.u.c
[05:03] <LjL> kevinO, short answer, just wait
[05:03] <kevinO> looks like they changed the name
[05:03] <Hobbsee> LjL: duh.  because 0ubuntu2 is out.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> i thought that sounded fishy
[05:03] <Hobbsee> and your mirror is (yet again) out of date
[05:03] <kevinO> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:04] <Hobbsee> LjL: aare you aware that you can use two sets of mirrors?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> kevinO: new version, yes.
[05:04] <LjL> Hobbsee, no, maybe it isn't this time -- i didn't check with apt-get, i just went straight to the URL on both mirrors
[05:04] <LjL> (and i don't normally use the italian mirror, either :)
[05:04] <LjL> Hobbsee: how? by simply putting both into sources.list?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> LjL: yep.  works a charm.
[05:04] <LjL> what about apt-torrent for gutsy+1 :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> LjL: that brings up a whole other group of issues
[05:05] <LjL> actually, what about apt-get-with-axel-or-aria2-and-bother-the-hell-out-of-the-server-admins
[05:05] <Hobbsee> the what now?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> i hope sladen does some nice work with delta updates
[05:05] <LjL> Hobbsee: i meant, downloading from multiple mirrors concurrently :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> he mentioned it at UDS, but i never heard anything else
[05:06] <LjL> (something that the 'axel' and 'aria2' packages can do)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> LjL: ahhh.  apt never does things concurrently.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> (perhaps for good reason?_
[05:06] <LjL> Hobbsee: no, it doesn't, but it would be just a matter of making it use aria rather than wget i think
[05:06] <LjL> but then again, i'm not sure the mirror admins would appreciate that
[05:07] <LjL> what would a delta update be?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> LjL: the downloads concurrently would be good
[05:07] <Hobbsee> LjL: only download the part that needs upgrading
[05:07] <LjL> well in a way, yes, they'd spread the load on multiple servers
[05:07] <LjL> but each user would take up many more download slots
[05:07] <Dr_willis> apt-torrent   :) get updates via bitrorrent!
[05:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:08] <LjL> Dr_willis: it *does* exist
[05:08] <Dr_willis> actually im suprised thats not more common.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i figured it did. :) just wasent sure if it was useable. heh
[05:08] <LjL> Hobbsee: the part *of a single package*? i suppose that means storing multiple diff files on the servers
[05:08] <LjL> Dr_willis: i don't think it is, easily at least
[05:08] <xero9364> bug 1 is surely not going to be fixed with this kind of Bluetooth breakage...
[05:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:08] <Dr_willis> I could see my ISP yelling at me for sharing too much LEGAL stuff. :)
[05:08] <LjL> xero9364, come on, it's just mirrors updating
[05:09] <Dr_willis> xero9364,  given how much ive fought with Bluetooth under windows.. Im suprised anyone even uses bluetooth.
[05:09] <xero9364> LjL, the US mirror (which most download from) isn't updated.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: i suspect that's the idea - but have no idea about the feasibility
[05:09] <LjL> who says most download from there?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> xero9364: ...
[05:09] <LjL> i'd say most download from archive.ubuntu.com
[05:09] <Hobbsee> xero9364: patience, patience.
[05:09] <LjL> which as far as i'm aware, isn't in the US
[05:09] <xero9364> Hobbsee, k.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: you're correct.
[05:09] <gnomefreak> xero9364: sure it is
[05:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: isle of mann, iirc.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I notice a lot of openoffice updates... joy.. I need to remove openoffice someday..and soon. :)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> xero9364: im using them atm and they are for the most part up to date
[05:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mostly?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: updates are good that means bugs are being fixed
[05:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: a.u.c is the *leading* mirror.  it has to be up to date.
[05:10] <Dr_willis>  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com is what i seem to be using by default
[05:10] <LjL> Hobbsee: tax paradise with no copyright laws in place? ;P
[05:10] <gnomefreak> yeah i dont run mirrors so i cant say fully
[05:10] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  yep. :) but i never use openoffice... gotta love updates for stuff ya never use.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> LjL: ahhh, so that's why they have multiverse there presumably
[05:10] <LjL> Dr_willis: just because you told the installer that you're in the US
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Dr_willis: you can remove it
[05:11] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: i used it first time in over a year the other day
[05:11] <gnomefreak> LjL: yeah i know :(
[05:11] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  yep. I find that abiword does what little wordprocessng i need.
[05:11] <gnomefreak> LjL: i normally use gb or uk if gb is down
[05:11] <LjL> i use se, it's faster than it.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I did hand out Openoffice cd's to my friends at work who were wanting a decent wordprocessor.
[05:11] <LjL> for me, that is.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> just because it's not worth lagging behind, when uploading things.
[05:12] <LjL> gnomefreak: i think gb *is* archive.ubuntu.com... or at least, uhm, it used to be
[05:12] <gnomefreak> it is
[05:12] <LjL> some time ago, when the US mirrors were badly down, their DNS actually redirected to the se mirrors
[05:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: hasnt been for a while.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> !info o3read
[05:12] <ubotu> o3read: standalone converter for OpenOffice.org documents. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.4-1 (gutsy), package size 14 kB, installed size 96 kB
[05:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: gb is ubuntu.datahop.it
[05:12] <gnomefreak> but i noticed archive.ubuntu.com is US if us is removed from sources
[05:13] <LjL> Hobbsee: ... excuse me? the british mirror is located in italy? =)
[05:13] <gnomefreak> or was
[05:13] <gnomefreak> i hope not
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: as in, gb != a.u.c
[05:13] <gnomefreak> that would be weird
[05:13] <woodwizzle> I have a HDD with data on it. I'm not sure which filesystem it is. I need to put it in my fstab, but I'm not sure if it is ext3, reiserfs etc.
[05:13] <woodwizzle> how can I find out?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: or so ping tells me
[05:13] <LjL> Hobbsee: yeah, i got that, but at least i'd have figured it was *british*
[05:13] <penguin42> woodwizzle: You can say auto
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: true
[05:13] <woodwizzle> penguin42: Yeah, thats how I've been doing it, out of fstab
[05:14] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's not the same network that provides it.archive.ubuntu.com, however
[05:14] <woodwizzle> penguin42: but I'm also kinda curious
[05:14] <LjL> datahop.it... first time i hear of them
[05:14] <penguin42> woodwizzle: You can put auto in the fstab itself
[05:14] <woodwizzle> penguin42: Is there a utility I can run to find out what fs it is?
[05:14] <darwin81> The touchpad on my laptop has a button to turn it off and on. When I use the button to turn it off then on again the Ubuntu Help Center comes up. This happened in Feisty too.
[05:14] <penguin42> woodwizzle: If you want to know which it is, then with it mounted I think if you type   mount    it should tell you
[05:14] <LjL> uhm, actually they *are* british, looking at the home page
[05:14] <LjL> suppose an .it domain costed less :P
[05:14] <woodwizzle> ok thanks
[05:14] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm thats odd
[05:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: *nod*
[05:15] <penguin42> .uk domains don't cost much
[05:15] <gnomefreak> it seems disabling ESD doesnt help the error unless one of the updates reset it
[05:15] <LjL> anyway, everybody believes ".it" stands for information technology
[05:15] <LjL> which is why we always get tons of offtopic postings in English on the Usenet
[05:15] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[05:15] <cdm10> I'm noticing a really strange delay with any network activity in Gutsy.
[05:16] <cdm10> It pauses for about 10 seconds before it starts transferring data.
[05:16] <LjL> it concentrates.
[05:16] <Vorbote> You would have seen the uproar when some boofin tried to market our country ISO id commercially (I'm in .co).
[05:16] <Vorbote> s/boofin/boffin/
[05:16] <cdm10> So, if I go to any site, it'll stick for 10 seconds in the "Looking up bla.com" stage and then start loading it.
[05:17] <cdm10> This doesn't happen in Windows or Feisty.
[05:17] <LjL> cdm10: seems like a DNS issue
[05:17] <penguin42> cdm10: What happens if you try dig blah.com from a command line?
[05:17] <cdm10> penguin42: dig?
[05:17] <LjL> cdm10: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? do you have resolvconf running? did you have it running in feisty?
[05:17] <penguin42> cdm10: It does DNS lookups
[05:17] <cdm10> I had feisty running with defaults, and gutsy is as well.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hm, didnt know about dig
[05:17] <gnomefreak> that might explain why i didnt see udev issue
[05:17] <cdm10> the problem is, it's now cached.
[05:18] <cdm10> can anyone think of a random site for me to use?
[05:18] <penguin42> Hobbsee: Very useful - it's like nslookup was years ago but more flexible - and it's only 3 characters :-)
[05:18] <LjL> google.com?
[05:18] <cdm10> Already been done today.
[05:18] <cdm10> It only delays once, seemingly.
[05:18] <cdm10> Actually, it seems to be pretty random.
[05:18] <LjL> cdm10: amiga.org
[05:18] <cdm10> ok.
[05:18] <LjL> aros.org
[05:18] <cdm10> instant response.
[05:18] <LjL> and if you want more Amiga-related spam, i'm here for you.
[05:19] <gnomefreak> cdm10: yes give me a sec
[05:19] <cdm10> but with Firefox, or APT, or anything else, I get a delay.
[05:19] <Vorbote> cdm10, as well, try using "mtr <target site>" See if there is a bottleneck somewhere in the route.
[05:19] <gnomefreak> http://spiralflog.com/
[05:19] <cdm10> Vorbote: it's with every site.
[05:19] <penguin42> cdm10: Are you using a proxy?
[05:19] <cdm10> penguin42: not unless one is enabled by default.
[05:19] <Vorbote> cdm10, if your ISP has a transparent proxy, mtr would allow you to discover it.
[05:19] <cdm10> I have to go now, but I'll be back in 5 minutes.
[05:20] <cdm10> Hmm, it seems to be getting caught at the router.
[05:20] <cdm10> Strange that Gutsy would have that problem but nothing else...
[05:20] <cdm10> i'll be back in 5...
[05:21] <penguin42> gutsy doesn't do anything like get more aggressive about ipv6 or the like does it?
[05:21] <branstrom> Hi guys. I'm running gutsy since a few days before the beta. Now, tracker is freezing whenever I use deskbar with either of the plugins (live or normal search) and start typing something
[05:22] <gnomefreak> branstrom: does it do it on a fresh boot?
[05:22] <branstrom> Yes. Rebooted twice.
[05:22] <branstrom> Hm, no.
[05:22] <branstrom> Now it works. The last reboot fixed it apparently.
[05:22] <LjL> they're evil
[05:23] <Dr_willis> im still not sure what    avahi   even is..or what its part of.
[05:23] <gnomefreak> reboots dont fix anything really but they are good at cleaning out memory
[05:24] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: its garbage but needed garbage from what i understand hal and avahi are close to earchother
[05:24] <LjL> needed, bah
[05:24] <Dr_willis> i just rember seeing some 'eth0:avahi' and thinking.. i need to research that some day...
[05:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:24] <LjL> my computer runs fine without them
[05:24] <LjL> while it didn't with
[05:24] <LjL> oh, and i forgot network-manager.
[05:24] <gnomefreak> but not real sure what it does, i think its for hardware detection or soemthing lije that
[05:25] <Dr_willis> They part of the upnp stuff ? or what does avahi stand for anyway?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> upnp routers and so forth?
[05:26] <Vorbote> avahi is the OSS implementation of the Bounjour protocol (invented at the Fruit Company). Allows for network auto-configuration without a DNS nor a DHCP server in the neighborhood
[05:26] <LjL> also known as "why me?"
[05:26] <Dr_willis> so its like a distributed dhcp server? althe pcs have a say in it?
[05:27] <attunix> Where can I download the new "Elephant" wallpaper available in Gutsy? I'm on Feisty.
[05:28] <gnomefreak> its in gutsy already
[05:28] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Yeh something like that - the idea is that you can get a switch or a crossover cable and just glue a pile of machines together without having to have any servers
[05:28] <gnomefreak> one of them anyway
[05:29] <penguin42> it vaguely ensures they get unique IPs and I think names
[05:29] <gnomefreak> albert23: you can find them on wiki.ubuntu.com <search for gutsy> and look for artwork or art and its there
[05:29] <Vorbote> AFAIK, yes. It has its own network subclass assigened by IANA and everything. In theory, if a machine can't find a DHCP server that assigns it its network config, it broadcasts a Bounjour/Rendevouz packet and negotiates with the surrounding machines an IP in the Bounjour range. It can discover DNS servers in the LAN as well.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> the readish brown elephant is already in gutsy-wallpapares
[05:29] <LjL> penguin42: i crashed a Macintosh (i mean, another guy's Macintosh) once by setting the same IP as his on my machine...
[05:29] <LjL> i mean, of course that was entirely unintended
[05:29] <cdm10> Hi, I'm back.
[05:30] <attunix> gnomefreak: what do you mean?
[05:30] <Dr_willis> That reminds me.. do many mondern laptops support crossover 'detection' where one can put a normal cable from one to another, and haveit realize it its not a crossover cable. and 'enable' the crossover feature?
[05:30] <LjL> attunix: he means you can have more useless eyecandy that looks funny
[05:30] <Dr_willis> whats the right term.. 'auto senseing' ?
[05:30] <penguin42> Dr_willis: I believe it's a standard of GigE
[05:31] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  ahh.. cool.  too bad my laptop dont have GigE.
[05:31] <penguin42> ditto
[05:31] <LjL> too bad my laptop is not a laptop
[05:31] <Dr_willis> needign to find a little 'crossover' cable or adaptor for 2 laptops at work then.
[05:31] <gnomefreak> attunix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?highlight=%28gutsy%29
[05:31] <penguin42> Yeh Avahi is a pain when you are trying to hunt network problems and keep unplugging the cable and avahi keeps fiddling
[05:31] <LjL> Dr_willis: build one. if you get one pre-built, it's 1 meter long and it costs you ten times as much
[05:32] <gnomefreak> attunix: the redish/brown eleiphant is already in default gutsy gnome
[05:32] <LjL> some places will happily cut the cable for you and crimp it for you
[05:32] <penguin42> we have an elephant?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i got one.. its just 30ft long.. :) and i broke off one of the plastic bits.. heh
[05:32] <attunix> gnomefreak: yeah, but I'm on Feisty :(
[05:32] <gnomefreak> penguin42: yes i didnt download it so im assuming it is default
[05:32] <Dr_willis> LjL,  id like to have some simple adaptor i can put between 2 cables.
[05:32] <gnomefreak> attunix: than you should be asking in #ubuntu not in here
[05:32] <LjL> Dr_willis: plus, if you get a crimping tool, you can easily build your own ethernet-to-mains "adaptor"
[05:32] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Yeh you can get little crossover boxes
[05:33] <Dr_willis> looking for bits and parts for my
[05:33] <attunix> gnomefreak: sorry; it's because it's a gutsy wallpaper so I thought here'd be alright :(
[05:33] <Dr_willis> 'pc toolbox' i am gathering up. :)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> attunix: its not a gutsy wallpaper its a proposed wallpaper for gutsy
[05:33] <attunix> oh
[05:33] <attunix> do you know where I can get it, though?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. is there a 'network switch' or hub that can run off of usb power? That would be handy.
[05:33] <attunix> Like apt-get ..... ?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> attunix: the wallpapers are pretty much same there added a few from the page i gave you but if you read the page it should explain that these are markups (how do you like my wallpaper for gutsy type thing)
[05:34] <gnomefreak> attunix: download it from the page i gave you
[05:35] <LjL> rats - yeah!
[05:35] <attunix> gnomefreak: the problem is that I want the copy without the logo
[05:35] <attunix> like in the beta
[05:35] <gnomefreak> attunix: than look on the g=page there should be ones without the logo
[05:36] <attunix> gnomefreak: where's the g= page?
[05:36] <Vorbote> attunix, as well you can go to packages.u.c and grab the source package there.
[05:36] <gnomefreak> attunix: scroll up in your irc lcient and look for the link i gave you
[05:37] <attunix> ok I'm there
[05:37] <attunix> gnomefreak: where's the g=?
[05:39] <gnomefreak> attunix: you looking at the page?
[05:39] <attunix> gnomefreak: yes
[05:39] <gnomefreak> attunix: look/scroll down the page until you find it and download it
[05:40] <attunix> but it's not there
[05:40] <gnomefreak> attunix: there is nothing hard about that. and i have way too much load on my pc to open links and search them
[05:40] <Dr_willis> friend at works wants a program like yakuake  - Only for gnome.. any reccomendations?
[05:40] <attunix> ok
[05:40] <Vorbote> Dr_willis, tilda
[05:40] <gnomefreak> attunix: than it was taken off the page (highly unlikely) than either get it from package.ubuntu.com or wait until you install gutsy (ask someone on gutsy to post it somewhere
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Vorbote,  ok. :) looking at the package managers.. i dident want to install/try themn ALL :) to find one that works decently
[05:41] <attunix> ok
[05:41] <Vorbote> Dr_willis, tilda is basically a neutered gnome-terminal, so it works mostly OK... :-P
[05:42] <martalli_> I am trying to figure out where my pilot is showing up to configure kpilot in gutsy kubuntu... in dmesg it merely says http://pastebin.ca/719724 but doesn't say what /dev link the device is on.  How can I check that?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Vorbote,  heh..  Yea. once ya get used to those tools.. its hard to live without
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Doh... tilda aint liking the compiz stuff i think...
[05:44] <Dr_willis> it showed up once... then now its just all solid white. :)
[05:44] <Vorbote> :-(
[05:44] <Dr_willis> white on white. :)
[05:44] <Dr_willis> little hard to read the text that way
[05:45] <wers> I am having problems with the new Appearance Preferences App
[05:46] <wers> it is slow and the gui does not refresh
[05:46] <wers> before, I had no problems with it. might be because of an upgrade
[05:49] <redheat> hi everyone
[05:49] <redheat> just a quicky question,
[05:49] <redheat> I just installed gutsy, ubuntu 7.10, and I was wondering which nvidia drivers to use
[05:49] <Vorbote> Dr_willis, try yeahconsole (I've noever used it myself).
[05:49] <vishalrao> i know i asked this on the ubuntu channel, but, is it too late to send in some feedback on the beta, not bug reports, but suggestions more like it?
[05:49] <redheat> the one that came bundled with the distro or the nvidia drivers provided by nvidia
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Vorbote,  yea. that one works ok.. but setting the keyboard short cut is a bit awkward. :0
[05:50] <Dr_willis> you can configure it via xresources:
[05:50] <redheat> guys
[05:50] <redheat> anyone
[05:51] <redheat> I can install the others drivers in a second
[05:51] <redheat> other*
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. with the compiz stuff..be nice to see some embeded term ya could bringup easy.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> redheat,  i run the restricted-manager tool and check 'use the nvidia drivers'
[05:51] <Dr_willis> takes me.. 2 sec.. :) well theres the download it does also.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> takes me less time to do it.. then it took you to ask about it. :)
[05:52] <redheat> you mean, you want me, if I want to use the other drives,, to uncheck the nvidia drivers part
[05:52] <redheat> and then install the other ones..
[05:52] <Dr_willis> what other ones?
[05:52] <redheat> I also got the restricted manager tool
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Its best to use the nvidia drivers from the reposiutories.. dont use the ones from the nvidia web site.
[05:53] <redheat> the drivers provided by Nvidia
[05:53] <redheat> not the glx-new ones provided by Ubuntu
[05:53] <redheat> to show you what I mean, this is my post on ubuntuforums.org
[05:53] <Dr_willis> using the nvidia ones fromt heir site.. can cause issues..  and can be  pain to trouble shoot.
[05:54] <redheat> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=497284&highlight=redheat
[05:54] <Dr_willis> On a new install. i run restricted-manger, click the enable nvidia, it then downloads the rght packages from the repositories. i reboot. and thats all i do.
[05:54] <redheat> no no..it is so easy..a breeze actually
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Using the 'latest from the nvidia web site' can cause some issues with upgrading later.
[05:54] <redheat> I do that all the time, only the last time I was running it on Feisty Fawn not gutsy gibbon
[05:54] <redheat> and they still worked like a charm
[05:55] <redheat> Dr_willis, did you get that URL?
[05:55] <platius> unable to find which app I need to execute the codecs-gnome.ymp from the 10.3 restricted formats page, I am using 10.3_64
[05:56] <Dr_willis> redheat,  i dident say they WONT work..im saying they can cause problems later. IF you use them.
[05:56] <redheat> absolutley not..they never did, at least for me, they never did
[05:56] <redheat> especially if you followed that way
[05:56] <Dr_willis> redheat,  and i can point out a dozen peopel a week - that have huge problems doing it that way.
[05:57] <redheat> I tried the one by Tseliot
[05:57] <redheat> it sucks
[05:57] <redheat> still
[05:57] <redheat> anyway,
[05:57] <Dr_willis> of course I stick with whats in the repos.. so.. what was the original question anyway? i missed it.
[05:57] <redheat> where did beryl go?
[05:57] <redheat> its called compizfusion now, right?
[05:57] <cdm10> redheat: yes
[05:57] <Dr_willis> yep
[05:57] <redheat> how do I start it ?
[05:57] <cdm10> redheat: it's built in
[05:58] <cdm10> redheat: go to System>Preferences>Appearance
[05:58] <cdm10> redheat: it's in the visual effects tab.
[05:58] <cdm10> redheat: if you want an advanced configuration thingy, do < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager >
[05:59] <redheat> that's what I was looking for
[05:59] <redheat> oh one more thing, just commenting on what Dr_willis said..
[05:59] <savvas> LjL: i upgraded fine, the next "wave" of upgrades was ok :)
[05:59] <Dr_willis> i wonder if theres a compiz faq factoid allready out? :)
[05:59] <redheat> where's that part of the settings configuration that controls the Anti Aliasig, and Anistropic FIltering
[05:59] <redheat> don't see that anywhere
[05:59] <Lilacor> is there any way I can get movies to not fuzz up while compiz fusion is on?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Lilacor,  hmm.. not noticed that.. let me see..
[06:00] <Dr_willis> oh wait i need the video codecs first. heh :)
[06:00] <savvas> Lilacor: graphics card?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> the list of 'things to do on a clean install' gets longer for me every time
[06:00] <Lilacor> nvidia
[06:00] <savvas> i have nvidia nx7300gt and the movies are ok
[06:01] <Lilacor> if I play movies without desktop effects, it's fine
[06:01] <savvas> did you install the restricted driver?
[06:01] <Lilacor> if I turn on desktop effects and run vmware/play movies....everything goes wacky
[06:01] <Lilacor> yes
[06:01] <redheat> anyhow, gonna try my luck with the Nvidia drivers..
[06:01] <redheat> cdm10, Dr_willis..thank you so much for your help
[06:02] <ratpoison> hello! using gutsy amd64 I have encountered some problems with packages udev and volumeid http://pastebin.com/m7d270735
[06:02] <redheat> thank you guys and take care
[06:02] <savvas> ratpoison: try upgrade again
[06:03] <Lilacor> I find it hard to believe that nobody else gets a fuzzy screen of crap when playing movies under compiz fusion
[06:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> Lilacor: no, just you :P
[06:03] <ratpoison> savvas: same output. btw are you greek? (in case you're not savvas is a greek name)
[06:03] <savvas> i am :)
[06:03] <savvas> cypriot actually
[06:03] <savvas> ratpoison: gksu gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[06:04] <savvas> on line 56 press enter and add: ;;
[06:04] <MattUK> what date is the final release of Gutsy expected?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> MattUK: see the release schedule in teh topic
[06:04] <savvas> ratpoison: forgot to mention, ctrl-I jumps to the line you want
[06:05] <MattUK> Oh thanks, I couldnt see the topic on this client
[06:05] <ratpoison> I'm greek, but let's use the english in the channel.
[06:05] <MattUK> Greek? Off-topic but Im going to Greece soon
[06:05] <MattUK> Hobbsee: thanks
[06:06] <savvas> good luck heh
[06:06] <ratpoison> MattUK, if you got any questions I can answer, come prvt
[06:06] <ratpoison> savvas: all fixed, many thnx
[06:07] <savvas> kanena provlima :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Lilacor,  i dont see any issues here.
[06:08] <savvas> Lilacor: did you restart after enabling the visual effects?
[06:08] <Lilacor> savvas: no sir.
[06:09] <MattUK> ratpoison: done
[06:09] <savvas> Lilacor: which graphics card do you have? can you restart and see if that fixes it?
[06:09] <kadakas> after upgrading to 7.10 the resolution is all messed up
[06:10] <Lilacor>  G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300]
[06:10] <kadakas> my laptops screen is 1680x1050, but when i choose this resolution in xorg.conf, the screen does not fit in my laptops screen
[06:10] <Lilacor> savvas: yes, I'll try that right now
[06:10] <kadakas> although the resolution is correct
[06:10] <vishalrao> im unable to find/install the w32codecs to play an AAC online radio stream... i installed vlcplayer and tried a search on synaptic, no go... are the packages still in flux until final release?
[06:11] <eeanm> vishalrao: you have multiverse and everything?
[06:11] <savvas> kadakas: try system > admin > screens and graphics
[06:11] <kadakas> ok
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Woa awsome.. whenya alt-tab or Super-Tab. for the task switcher.. the video stillplays inside the 'mini-window-taskswitcher' thing. :)
[06:11] <vishalrao> eeanm: yup looks like i do
[06:11] <eeanm> vishalrao: well I just upgraded, I have w32codecs installed
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Video Playback seems find here. Nvidia 8800
[06:12] <eeanm> any idea why digikam is being "held back" from upgrade?
[06:12] <vishalrao> doh, eeanm: what mirror/server are you using as your source?
[06:12] <eeanm> a local mirror
[06:12] <vishalrao> can you paste the actual hostname and whether its http or ftp?
[06:12] <vishalrao> i tried a couple of mirrors, no luck
[06:12] <eeanm> it would be really slow for you, our university has crap internet. but it just syncs with the main server every night
[06:12] <savvas> eeanm: try sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt-get install digikam
[06:13] <Dr_willis> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:13] <Dr_willis> perhaps?
[06:13] <vishalrao> hmmm, i already tried main, anyways its not important, will try again tomorrow :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> im not sure when one should use 'dist-upgrade' really. :)
[06:13] <eeanm> savvas: heh well apt-get install digikam appears to have worked
[06:13] <Lilacor> awww man! this window's bar wobbled above the top and I can't reach it!
[06:13] <Lilacor> grrr
[06:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> i found an upgrade and then a dist upgrade worked best for me
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> Lilacor: holt alt and drag the window
[06:14] <savvas> eeanm: sometimes when there are a lot of upgrades, you upgrade first and then try again the packages that are held back
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> hold*
[06:14] <Dr_willis> that alt-drag feature is SOOOO handy. :)
[06:14] <Lilacor> Daisuke-Laptop: whew! now *THAT'S* a command handy to remember - thanks!
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> you're welcome
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> and it is handy :D
[06:15] <Dr_willis> thats like been in X for... ages hasent it?
[06:15] <savvas> you should try the fire writing :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Or is that actually window manager specific.
[06:15] <savvas> I use it for a "Don't touch" message while I'm away :P
[06:16] <Dr_willis> we were showing off the compiz stuff last night at work.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> woobly windows, exploding windows. water effects...
[06:16] <Dr_willis> it willbe scary - a year fromnow - there will be sooooo much silly eye candy out..
[06:16] <xero9364> lol
[06:16] <xero9364> not just silly
[06:16] <xero9364> holographic
[06:16] <xero9364> like the window is pwning your face when it explodes
[06:17] <Vorbote> vishalrao, there are no AAC streams that gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse hasn't reproduced for me yet.
[06:17] <savvas> Dr_willis: I hope you gave them some cds for the road :)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> floating cubes as dock spaces.. with video playing on them as you watch.
[06:17] <Lilacor> okay, I don't know what happened yesterday but *NOW* it's working fine!! >_<;; double grrr!
[06:17] <Dr_willis> when are we going to get icons that are actual movies... :)
[06:19] <savvas> hm..
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> now *that* has a large number of uses...
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> >_>
[06:19] <savvas> what's this message: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place ?
[06:19] <Lilacor> isn't there a way to have moving backgrounds?
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> Lilacor: in enlightenment, yes
[06:19] <savvas> happens every time an install/upgrade is done
[06:19] <Dr_willis> icon.avi in every folder.. for  videos :)
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> anywhere else, i don't thing so...  yet...
[06:20] <Dr_willis> yea enlightment has some scripting thang that lets ya do animated  backgrounds
[06:20] <Dr_willis> we got that water drip effect. but not quite the same
[06:20] <eeanm> is there documentation of this new audit thing in dmesg?
[06:20] <eeanm> [ 1622.256000]  audit(1191082768.875:33):  type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=9673 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"
[06:20] <Dr_willis> I want a nice pretty  Aquarium in the background. :)
[06:20] <RAdams> has anyone else noticed gParted crashes almost constantly on the Gusty Live CD?
[06:20] <eeanm> what does that mean :)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> RAdams,  cant say that ive seen it crash onme - in the 3 installs ive done.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> but all i did was delete some partitions
[06:21] <savvas> RAdams: what are you trying to do? :)
[06:21] <penguin42> eeanm: I think that is apparmor
[06:21] <vishalrao> speaking of crashes, anyone seen ekiga softphone crash upon startup everytime?
[06:22] <bonj> hi, got a question with the lpd printing...
[06:22] <savvas> RAdams: you have the gutsy beta right?
[06:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> i do like that it dropped the ring switcher in favor of the shift thing
[06:22] <RAdams> dr_willis: it crashes everytime I delete partitions, then try to make a new one, also crashes everytime it finishes ANYTHING, though it does do it correctly
[06:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> pretty groovy
[06:22] <RAdams> savvas: yes
[06:22] <eeanm> penguin42: my printer isn't working (didn't work in feisty either) so I'm thinking this info might be relevant :)
[06:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> it = compiz fusion
[06:22] <savvas> RAdams: dell laptop?
[06:22] <RAdams> savvas: no
[06:23] <savvas> weird
[06:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> sounds like the issues i've been having with ktorrent on the desktop
[06:23] <bonj> lolz... mine printed send the job, but after that it will says lpr spooling 93% or 97% completed
[06:23] <Lilacor> How do I take advantage of the new virtualization features in this kernel?
[06:23] <savvas> try with another partition manager
[06:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> it crashes whenever i add or remove a torrent :(
[06:23] <savvas> qtparted or.. i dunno :\
[06:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> make sure you have hardware virtualization
[06:23] <savvas> Daisuke-Laptop: try deluge-torrent :)
[06:24] <Lilacor> Daisuke-Laptop: I do.
[06:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> then you can use virtualbox in seamless mode with nearly any guest OS
[06:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> savvas: does it properly respect the private flag, and report correctly?
[06:24] <Lilacor> I'm more interested in KVM at the moment and was wondering if I needed to change any features to take advantage of this new feature
[06:25] <bonj> thanks
[06:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> mmmkay, deluge is allowed on the tracker i'm most concerned about.
[06:27] <savvas> Daisuke-Laptop: what flag? :\ don't know anything about flags, all i know is that it works
[06:27] <eeanm> is there a GUI for App Armor?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> i saw that gutsy has app-armor but not sure what it is. :)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> !info app-armor
[06:28] <ubotu> Package app-armor does not exist in gutsy
[06:28] <Dr_willis> !find armor
[06:28] <ubotu> Found: apparmor, apparmor-utils, libapparmor-dev, libapparmor1, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-386 (and 8 others)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> !info apparmor
[06:28] <Dr_willis> i wonder whats in apparmor-utils :)
[06:28] <ubotu> apparmor: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. In component main, is standard. Version 2.1+993-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2056 kB
[06:29] <penguin42> Dr_willis: It's a layer that allows for a particular program to restirct what it is allowed to do - much finer grain than unix permisisons
[06:29] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  cool.. no idea why I personally would use it..:) but still...
[06:29] <Dr_willis> I rember seeing it mentioned on some other disrtos befor.
[06:29] <penguin42> Dr_willis: e.g. I think you could restrict which files your webbrowser can read or write so even if there is a hole in the browser it can't do as much harm
[06:30] <savvas> I remember seeing apparmor mentioned in the logs.. brb
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Lunch time.. bbl
[06:31] <penguin42> it looks by default only cupsd has any restrictions loaded
[06:31] <vishalrao> Lilacor asked about KVM, Im interested too whether gutsy will have KVM and virt-manager etc... ?
[06:31] <Lilacor> kvm is available in feisty
[06:32] <vishalrao> for feisty some forum posts seem to indicate virt-manager is not packaged? will it be for gutsy?
[06:32] <Lilacor> gutsy has kvm also but I want to make sure I'm using the new virtualization layer
[06:32] <vishalrao> Lilacor: what is the "new" virt layer?
[06:34] <penguin42> kvm is cute, but I think you do need VT in your processor, xen lets you do stuff without that
[06:34] <Lilacor> http://lwn.net/Articles/175706/
[06:35] <Lilacor> http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/suse_linux_enterprise_server_with_virtualization_interface
[06:35] <vishalrao> oh is that VMI a hypervisor? what if we want regular full-virt to simply run a guest os? that will still work, right?
[06:36] <vishalrao> i mean, for unmodified guests...
[06:37] <Lilacor> vishalrao: I'm pretty sure it's _not_ a hypervisor...it's a common interface for all virtualization software to use... it's to clean up the various implementations and how they interact with the linux kernel
[06:38] <vishalrao> ok :)
[06:47] <branstrom> How do I get some pixels of padding between icons on my Gnome panel?
[06:51] <branstrom> Like "Applet Padding" at the bottom of this document: http://www.collaborium.org/onsite/jos2000/related/guides/gnome/confglobal.html
[06:51] <branstrom> I can't find it anywhere...
[07:02] <mrtimdog> What's the official way of applying a ubuntu patch onto a source tree? The source tree being for alsa-driver.
[07:05] <gnomefreak> !packaging | mrtimdog
[07:05] <ubotu> mrtimdog: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:06] <mrtimdog> Thanks gnomefreak.
[07:06] <gnomefreak> yw
[07:06] <gnomefreak> mrtimdog: best place to ask in #ubuntu-motu for packagiing questions
[07:06] <mrtimdog> Ok, not visited there as yet.
[07:11] <penguin42> 2nd X crash of the dya
[07:19] <Skiessi> :/ flash player doesn't care about mouse clicks when compiz-fusion is enabled
[07:19] <Skiessi> "Disable Flash."
[07:20] <Puaff> please, does anyone know when will be available the vmware kernel package?
[07:20] <Puaff> vmware module kernel package, I meant
[07:27] <TQuid> Oi folks.
[07:28] <TQuid> So, I increased my gnome desktops to four, and now when I switch to other than the first one, I lose my top & bottom bars, and am thus stuck. Is there a default screen-switching key combo.?
[07:28] <TQuid> And is that a known bug?
[07:28] <penguin42> TQuid: I think I once saw that ages ago - but are you using compiz, and how are you switching desktops?
[07:29] <TQuid> using compiz, yes, and just using the little mini-screen in the lower-right corner to switch--the default method, afaik.
[07:29] <TQuid> (I've actually been trying to figure how to set edge sensitivity and haven't found it so far. Just finding how to increase # of desktops was a pain in the patookus--that really ought to be in the context menu of the little map.)
[07:30] <TQuid> Hm, guess I'll kill the X session, now, as my download seems to be done. *grumble*
[07:31] <TQuid> Hm, I bet it's cause I had the pager show the desktops in a square.
[07:31] <TQuid> I'll test that presently.
[07:32] <penguin42> TQuid: That little mini square (desktop switcher) doesn't really play well with compiz
[07:32] <TQuid> Hm, no repeat of that behaviour now, though I do lose the desktop shortcuts.
[07:33] <TQuid> What's the recommended switcher?
[07:33] <penguin42> With compiz ctrl-alt-left/right seem to work OK and you can ctrl-alt-down to get a strip where you can flick through; personally I just turn off compiz
[07:33] <penguin42> and I get a nice 3x3 desktop set
[07:33] <TQuid> I tried ctl-alt-<arrow> when i was stuck & it didn't seem to work.
[07:34] <TQuid> Let me make sure I understand, isn't compiz where you get all the fine-grained control over animations &c.?
[07:34] <richard> howdy, I'm trying to get my synaptics touchpad workin in the lovely gutsy gibbon
[07:34] <kRush> you shouldn't set the number of desktops in gnome when using compiz afaik
[07:35] <TQuid> Hrm.
[07:35] <kRush> there are options in compiz that behave better
[07:35] <TQuid> I did use compiz.
[07:36] <TQuid> It was under "advanced settings" (whatever it's called on the menu--it's compiz) and the General button, and the desktops tab. That is compiz, yes?
[07:37] <kRush> I misunderstood your previous statement then
[07:38] <TQuid> Hm, but I see here there is a separate "desktop plane" option.
[07:38] <TQuid> And that has the ctl-alt-arrow shortcuts, and is *not* enabled. So I'm better off leaving it at one desktop in general and enabling the plane?
[07:40] <TQuid> No, wait, now it says use desktop wall . . . yeesh.
[07:45] <TQuid> Hm, weird.
[07:50] <ray_> hi any one good with helix here
[07:50] <ray_> ?
[07:50] <ray_> any one here
[07:51] <ray_> hi jacob
[07:52] <ray_> k
[07:52] <ray_> jacob any good with helix player
[07:52] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[07:52] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:53] <Jacob> ray_: other than using it once ;)
[07:53] <ray_> jacob cant seem to get it going with firefox
[07:53] <ray_> what i do
[07:54] <Jacob> hmmm... i don't think i know; haven't tried the plugin
[07:57] <ray_> any good with helix player?
[08:00] <penguin42> does anyone else have a read-edid package?
[08:00] <ray_> penguin you any good with helix player
[08:01] <penguin42> sorry, no - I tend to use gmplayer with realplayer streams
[08:01] <penguin42> I don't think I've ever had helix work on here
[08:01] <ray_> penguin how i remove a helix player if installed from real page and use this one
[08:01] <ray_> how do i
[08:02] <penguin42> Is this the helix plugin - how did you install it exactly?
[08:02] <ray_> penguin42 i did this one https://player.helixcommunity.org/2007/releases/hx1gold/HX1_0_9ReleaseNotes.html#install
[08:02] <ray_> how i get ride of it
[08:03] <penguin42> did you install as root or your normal user?
[08:03] <ray_> normal user
[08:03] <penguin42> ok, so do an ls -l of ~/.mozilla/plugins
[08:04] <ray_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 ray ray 48 2007-09-29 12:29 nphelix.so -> /home/ray/Desktop/HelixPlayer/mozilla/nphelix.so
[08:04] <ray_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 ray ray 49 2007-09-29 12:29 nphelix.xpt -> /home/ray/Desktop/HelixPlayer/mozilla/nphelix.xpt
[08:04] <penguin42> ok
[08:04] <ray_> thats what i get how i get ride of it so i can install yours
[08:04] <penguin42> so move those nphelix.so and nphelix.xpt soemwhere else and restart your firefox
[08:05] <ray_> how do i do this never did this im new to 7.10
[08:05] <ray_> i want to delet it
[08:05] <ray_> and get helix off my system for good
[08:05] <ray_> and install yours
[08:06] <penguin42> so just use mv   to move those two files into a temporary directroy somewhere else or just delete them
[08:06] <ray_> penguin42 hope can help
[08:06] <ray_> penguin42 but how do i i never did this in this build
[08:06] <ray_> penguin42 can you walk me throw it
[08:06] <penguin42> It's the same as all unixes - just do   rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so
[08:06] <penguin42> and the same for .xpt
[08:07] <penguin42> that should remove the helix stuff from mozilla
[08:07] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i change the kubuntu splash screen to the gutsy one ?
[08:08] <gnomefreak> the usplash and i guess you mean from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[08:09] <gnomefreak> if you installed kubuntu in gutsy it is a gutsy usplash
[08:09] <ray_> penguin42  what can i use for real fopormate i saw it put helix in my trash
[08:10] <gnomefreak> if using feisty dont make it gutsys just wait until you install it
[08:10] <penguin42> ray_: Sorry, I don't understand that question
[08:10] <ray_> hold on
[08:12] <ray_> penguin42 what player can i use to play back real player files
[08:13] <ray_> ?
[08:14] <ray_> penguin42 still with me
[08:14] <penguin42> IF you are on a 32 bit machine then the binary RealPlayer should work; I also find that gmplayer works, you can also try 'kaffeine' from KDE
[08:14] <ray_> i have theat im in ubuntu 7.10 for dell lqaptop
[08:14] <ray_> e1505
[08:14] <penguin42> but if you can get Real's realplayer to work I would try to stick with that; but I've not got realplayer to work on 64 bit
[08:17] <isthatall> is there any compelling reason to upgrade to gutsy like today? are things pretty stabilized now?
[08:18] <d1006> it's a beta so no unless something doesn't work for you in fesity and you've heard it's fixed in gutsy
[08:18] <gnomefreak> isthatall: upgrade is broken
[08:18] <isthatall> lol, that answers that
[08:19] <gnomefreak> isthatall: clean install is fine some issues here and there but it is beta
[08:19] <isthatall> I'll just wait then, thanks
[08:19] <d1006> Since when is 'upgrade broken'? ^_^
[08:20] <gnomefreak> d1006: about 5 days ago it started
[08:21] <d1006> People on forums seem to be upgrading... maybe there should be a warning... breaking upgrade just as beta starts seems pretty insane
[08:21] <nanonyme> how broken?
[08:21] <nanonyme> you mean aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't work?
[08:21] <afief> My intel sound card is not working on Gutsy, is this a known problem?
[08:22] <thegrover> it's been 50/50 for me - my amd64 machine didn't take well to it, but my 32-bit machine worked fine
[08:22] <DanaG> Hmm, have any of you used apt-zeroconf?  I've installed it, but without anybody else around, it's useless.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: no i mean update-manager works less than 30% of time and adept --version-upgrade is all kids of borked
[08:22] <DanaG> And the originator's domain has now been squatted, as of yesterday or today.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: doing it manualy is not the best idea atm either
[08:22] <nanonyme> gnomefreak, well, i did just that
[08:22] <nanonyme> when i upgraded
[08:23] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: if update-manager cant resolve conflicts you may run in to issues with it.
[08:23] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: i didnt say for everyone
[08:23] <gnomefreak> i spent 4+ hours with another user helping someone with a borked upgrade this morning.
[08:23] <nanonyme> aptitude dist-upgrade <3
[08:23] <d1006> not to argue but uh saying it's 'broken' seems to suggest it wont work for anyone ^_^
[08:23] <gnomefreak> when it takes 4 hours to fix its broken
[08:24] <nanonyme> it even gives alternatives on how to fix the problem :)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> aptitude didnt work
[08:24] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: not always safe
[08:24] <nanonyme> yeah, i suppose not
[08:24] <gnomefreak> d1006: i gave a % if you re read it
[08:24] <nanonyme> had to intentionally break my system a bit to get it back together
[08:24] <gnomefreak> d1006: and next time i will say yes upgrade works fine for 3 users are you the 4th?
[08:25] <d1006> you mentioned the % later actually, rather than 'it's broken for 70%'
[08:25] <gnomefreak> d1006: easier to tell people its broken for most as i cant predict who it will break for
[08:26] <nikolam> Hello Beta Xubuntu wont upgrade properly.
[08:26] <gnomefreak> saying it is broke is best
[08:26] <nikolam> tried even comman line update and upgrade
[08:26] <gnomefreak> they can try all they want after words its advice and nothiing more
[08:26] <nikolam> I did clean install of beta
[08:26] <d1006> 'upgrading seems broken for most/etc' is quite different from 'upgrade is broken' imo ^_^
[08:27] <gnomefreak> d1006: adept --version-upgrade is BROKEN FOR EVERYONE
[08:27] <d1006> nikolam: what's the error?
[08:27] <gnomefreak> update-manager if over 50% broken its broken
[08:27] <nikolam> just a sec.
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> bleh, tons of openoffice help in tons of languages i don't use :\
[08:27] <gnomefreak> d1006: he cleaned installed to fix it
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> been updating for hours now
[08:27] <nikolam> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[08:27] <nikolam> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:
[08:27] <nikolam> 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[08:28] <d1006> well you didn't say 'adept --version blah' you said 'upgrade is broken' so lets leave it there ^_^
[08:28] <gnomefreak> nikolam: its known about already
[08:28] <gnomefreak> d1006: please re read i gave examples from both
[08:28] <nikolam> So ok. I just wait till tommorow?.
[08:28] <gnomefreak> nikolam: the maintianer for update-manager is of fhte weekends expect it fixed in a week or so
[08:29] <d1006> nikolam: the problem only appeared for a short time for me and then left
[08:29] <nikolam> I suppose this wont harm testing process. I am using beta on testin partition, anyway.
[08:29] <d1006> nikolam: though i don't remember what i did
[08:29] <d1006> nikolam: perhaps a partial upgrade or something of the sort
[08:30] <gnomefreak> d1006: dist-upgrade by hand its the OO.o packages that are held back with upgrade
[08:30] <nikolam> No upgade helped. I ll just wait and update daily. or I might re-install tribe5 and update?
[08:30] <gnomefreak> it will remove some locales and install the OO.o upgrades
[08:30] <defcon> any way to report a bug on launchpad that only effects Gutsy
[08:30] <defcon> or make sure a bug gets to the gutsy bug list
[08:31] <gnomefreak> that was this mornings problem mvo has to fx it in update-manager it did this in feisty and edgy and dapper as well
[08:31] <nikolam> At my present level of experience, I can yous wait for fix and report some bug in UI thats all..
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nikolam: drop to a terminal and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nikolam: should fix it
[08:31] <nikolam> I already tried it.
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nikolam: and the error was?
[08:32] <nikolam> a sec.
[08:32] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i need pakcages here since ther eis a udev issue as well but OO.o was most popular today
[08:32] <DanaG> Wow, the Ubuntu US mirror is slow.
[08:32] <DanaG> Glad I use mirrors.kernel.org also.
[08:32] <gnomefreak> d1006: also not up to date
[08:32] <gnomefreak> oops
[08:32] <d1006> defcon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[08:32] <gnomefreak> DanaG: not up to date either
[08:32] <nikolam>  xserver-xorg-input-all: Depends: xserver-xorg-input-   ** everything *** but it is not going to be installed
[08:32] <DanaG> I use both, though:
[08:33] <unggnu> Does anyone have still a menu entry to HP-Toolbox under Preferences?
[08:33] <DanaG> My sources.list has kernel.org above the official, so if it IS up to date on a package, it'll use that source.
[08:33] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo apt-get -f install? what did that give you (dont list package with that command)
[08:33] <defcon> d1006, how do I add an existing bug to /ubuntu/gutsy
[08:33] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[08:33] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:34] <nikolam> E: Invalid operation instal
[08:34] <gnomefreak> defcon: goit o first link and file a bug
[08:34] <gnomefreak> nikolam: install
[08:34] <gnomefreak> nikolam: you typoed it
[08:34] <d1006> defcon: be sure to check for duplicates first ^_^
[08:34] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i get this splash in KDE  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ksplash.png  ? i still have the edgy one
[08:34] <nikolam> gnomefreak: should I copy/paste to you on private?
[08:34] <gnomefreak> nikolam: use pastebin
[08:35] <gnomefreak> !pastebin | nikolam
[08:35] <ubotu> nikolam: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i said use patebin
[08:36] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39043/
[08:36] <d1006> hehe :P
[08:37] <d1006> nikolam: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[08:37] <d1006> add @ line 56 ;;
[08:38] <d1006> after line 55's 'continue'
[08:38] <d1006> then retry
[08:40] <gnomefreak> its old packages
[08:40] <gnomefreak> run sudo apt-get update after saving the changes in the file
[08:40] <gnomefreak> we are on ubuntu14 for udev and volumeid they were fixed today and broken this morning
[08:40] <nikolam> I have contiue in line 55
[08:41] <isthatall> penguin42: @later tell NICK blah blah
[08:41] <d1006> nikolam: make a new line after continue and make it ;;
[08:41] <d1006> so the format is the same as the surrounding code...
[08:41] <penguin42> isthatall: Huh? Oh - I mean on the screen lock now there is a button that says 'leave a message'
[08:42] <nikolam> aahhh. :) ok added.
[08:42] <gnomefreak> penguin42: screensaver lock?
[08:42] <d1006> you should be 'fixed' then to update/upgrade
[08:42] <penguin42> gnomefreak: but what displays the messages later?
[08:42] <nikolam> i will try momentarily. :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i dont know is that what you are talking about though?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> penguin42: if it is i can find out i hope :)
[08:43] <penguin42> gnomefreak: You using GNOME?  do a lockscreen and look at the left most button
[08:44] <rukuartic> Hum... I really have nowhere to put this but here... When I'm ssh-ing into my ubuntu-server box (7.10 beta) there's a good delay that shouldn't quite be there... removed ipv6 module (which seemed to be causing a little bit of trouble with name resolution etc--but not the problem, the lag existed with ipv6 as well)
[08:44] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its just a little bubble added to the code
[08:44] <gnomefreak> it shows up in lower right hand screen
[08:44] <penguin42> rukartic: Can you reverse resolve the IP of the thing you are sshing from?
[08:44] <AV1611> greeting! is it a place where I can paste a bug report (besides its usual place)?
[08:45] <gnomefreak> penguin42: same thing they use for updates bubble restart bubble
[08:46] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Hmm OK, I guess it's gnome-screensaver then
[08:46] <nikolam> update and upgrade was fine. dist-upgrade dont work , still.
[08:46] <gnomefreak> AV1611: bug reports get filied on bugs/launchpad/net
[08:46] <gnomefreak> nikolam: same package failing on?
[08:46] <rukuartic> penguin42: Hold on
[08:47] <penguin42> gnomefreak: I noticed if you put some text in there it doesn't get passed through
[08:47] <gnomefreak> bugs.launchpad.net even
[08:47] <gnomefreak> penguin42: did for me
[08:47] <rukuartic> penguin42: You think its trying to resolve it?
[08:47] <penguin42> rukuartic: Yes
[08:47] <rukuartic> penguin42: Yea I can (dig <IP_ADDRESS> ran quickly)
[08:47] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39046/
[08:48] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:48] <gnomefreak> what doe sit tell you
[08:48] <penguin42> rukuartic: Try dig -x <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:48] <gnomefreak> does it
[08:48] <rukuartic> query time 6 ms
[08:48] <rukuartic> completes
[08:49] <gnomefreak> nikolam: you are still in update-manager or only terminal?
[08:49] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39047/
[08:49] <penguin42> gnomefreak: OK, it looks like it got fixed in the updates I pulled in today
[08:49] <nikolam> terminal update manager closed. Should i?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> nikolam: close update-manager if it is open
[08:49] <gnomefreak> leave terminal open
[08:49] <nikolam> closed
[08:49] <rukuartic> penguin42: What else do you think could be causing the issue? I'm on the same network as it..
[08:50] <gnomefreak> ok you have terminal ready?
[08:50] <nikolam> yup
[08:50] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo aptitude upgrade
[08:50] <gnomefreak> nikolam: paste me any failures with the command to pastebin
[08:50] <nikolam> ok
[08:50] <gnomefreak> ill be right back
[08:50] <albert23> rukuartic: from what system do you run ssh? Is it Feisty?
[08:51] <penguin42> rukuartic: It might be worth running a tcpdump on the server to see if you can see what happens during an ssh - other than a reverse resolve the only other thing I can think is if it's trying to connect to the identd port
[08:51] <nikolam> I see no errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39048/
[08:52] <rukuartic> albert23: Yeah, 7.04
[08:53] <rukuartic> penguin42: Oh. I am running inetd, but I'm not running ssh as an inetd service.
[08:53] <albert23> rukuartic: I had that problem from Feisty when avahi was running
[08:53] <penguin42> rukuartic: i*d*entd not inetd
[08:53] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[08:54] <penguin42> ah - if it's avahi related I'll just hold my flippers up and run away...
[08:54] <gnomefreak> didnt know he added safe upgrade yet
[08:54] <albert23> penguin42: I just turned avahi off :-)
[08:55] <rukuartic> albert23: Aha!
[08:55] <rukuartic> Hold on...
[08:55] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Yeh, aptitude tells you that upgrade is deprecated and you should use safe-upgrade
[08:55] <nikolam> done http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39049/
[08:55] <gnomefreak> nikolam: if that gives you same output please run sudo dpkg --configure -a see if that errors
[08:55] <rukuartic> albert23: Holy crap thats it
[08:55] <gnomefreak> nikolam: did you see anything set up the xserver packages?
[08:55] <sid> I just installed gutsy beta alt command line, and there is no eth0 for some reason.
[08:56] <rukuartic> albert23: whats the deal with avahi?
[08:56] <sid> sudo ifconfig shows no eth0, I can't do apt-get or anything.
[08:56] <nikolam> nothing. :)
[08:56] <rukuartic> sid: Yeah, I had eth1 as my default too
[08:56] <rukuartic> sid: try ifconfig -a
[08:56] <gnomefreak> sid: yah theres bugs on that
[08:56] <gnomefreak> asac is working on them but hes gone for the weekend
[08:56] <albert23> rukuartic: It tries to do dns using some special local service
[08:56] <rukuartic> gnomefreak: any idea how to change or alias eth1 to eth0?
[08:56] <sid> lspci shows the ethernet controller
[08:56] <rukuartic> albert23: Is it evil/worth removing?
[08:56] <albert23> rukuartic: you can see it with wireshark
[08:56] <gnomefreak> rukuartic: nope not off hand
[08:57] <sid> strange
[08:57] <nikolam> gnomefreak: sudo dpkg --configure -a reports nothing :)
[08:57] <albert23> I just stopped it and disabled it from starting
[08:57] <rukuartic> Man
[08:57] <sid> it made it eth1
[08:57] <sid> wonder why it did that
[08:57] <rukuartic> sid: bugs
[08:57] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:58] <gnomefreak> nikolam: those packages didnt go anywhere i would like to kno where they are this command fails on them theres a few things we can try. if it doesnt tell you about them than you are good
[08:58] <sid> If I want to make this CLI system like a default gui ubuntu system, I only have to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[08:58] <bur[n] e1> sid: correct
[08:58] <sid> k
[08:58] <gnomefreak> sid: yeah there are somethings that get installed with system that you wont get
[08:59] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39050/
[08:59] <gnomefreak> they maybe part of ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard
[08:59] <gnomefreak> ha
[08:59] <bur[n] e1> ubuntu-minimal is part of a CLI 'server' system right?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> nikolam: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: yes that it is -standard that may not be
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: let me know when its open
[09:00] <nikolam> open
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: add a # to the first line
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: its starts with deb cdrom
[09:00] <gnomefreak> or something alike
[09:00] <nikolam> firs line have #
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: second line? what doe sit say
[09:01] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39051/
[09:01] <rukuartic> nikolam: look for deb-cdrom
[09:01] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok than why is it looking for it
[09:01] <gnomefreak> nikolam: comment out the other one as well
[09:02] <gnomefreak> see you have 2 deb cdrom lines both need the # infront
[09:02] <nikolam> # added to line 4
[09:02] <gnomefreak> the extra one on top means nothing
[09:02] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:02] <gnomefreak> nikolam: now save and close
[09:02] <nikolam> ok.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> nikolam: now at term. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:03] <gnomefreak> nikolam: that should fix you
[09:04] <gnomefreak> it couldnt fix the pakages because they are not on the cd they are either on the dvd or the net (well both)
[09:04] <gnomefreak> fix == find
[09:04] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39052/
[09:05] <gnomefreak> nikolam: open up sources.list and pastebin what you have in there please
[09:05] <gnomefreak> nikolam: same as you did before with gksudo
[09:05] <nikolam> ok. its xubuntu/mousepad.
[09:06] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39053/
[09:06] <nikolam> Maybe i shoud use other mirror?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok take all the cz out and in thier place use gb
[09:07] <gnomefreak> nikolam: im thinking that is the issue testing with gb will tell me
[09:07] <nikolam> should I choose gb in Gui settings?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i would do it right from text editor to be honest
[09:07] <d1006> works the same nikolam
[09:07] <d1006> in theory :P
[09:08] <gnomefreak> as long as its not synaptic as it corrupts /etc/apt/sources.list.d most of time
[09:08] <nikolam> you think: United kingdom?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i know gb works i am not on uk
[09:09] <gnomefreak> gb gets hit first anyway
[09:09] <d1006> it does?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> than gives it to uk than everyone eolse grabs from there to update thier repos
[09:09] <gnomefreak> servers even
[09:09] <bretzel> Hi there - I had troubles with gusty and brand new computer ( parts not the latest but compared to my old P4 2.4 S478... ) and I managed to find what was wrong ( hey I lost some updates with todays hardware!! ) 8-)
[09:09] <gnomefreak> d1006: yes
[09:09] <nikolam> what counrty/region is "gb" (me-stupit)
[09:09] <d1006> nice
[09:09] <d1006> england
[09:09] <gnomefreak> gb great britian
[09:10] <nikolam> ok, uk, archive.ubuntu.com then_
[09:10] <penguin42> that'll be the one in italy then :-)
[09:11] <d1006> gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[09:11] <d1006> not uk.a.u.c
[09:11] <bretzel> .ca is :-)
[09:11] <d1006> uk seems up to date, recent udev fixes are in at least
[09:11] <nikolam> ok, ill make it in sources.list to gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:12] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/506/
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nikolam: look at mine
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nikolam: no hold backs to updated or failed packages i dont know about any other mirror but this one
[09:12] <nikolam> ok. shoul i copy/paste yours or change mine?
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nikolam: no just change cz to gb
[09:12] <bascule> hi, I went to gutsy from feisty last night and have taken about 15% drop in gfx performance, intel 945, anyone else seeing this?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> its easier that wasy
[09:13] <gnomefreak> bascule: most people do its because of the new drivers package
[09:13] <penguin42> bascule: Have you started using compiz?
[09:13] <Plinskin> hi
[09:13] <bascule> penguin42: well I was but that is another one for later :)
[09:13] <d1006> bascule: i went from gutsy 32bit to 64bit and took 50% :| 32bit feisty to 32bit feisty on same ati fglrx was the same tho
[09:14] <Plinskin> anybody knows why when i boot my gutsy livecd it freezes at the menu?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> they bundled all intel drivers into one package to replace xserver-xorg-intel-i810 ect...
[09:14] <d1006> Plinskin: do you have a usb keyboard?
[09:14] <bascule> gnomefreak: I see guess the new drivers are not quite as good
[09:14] <penguin42> bascule: Have you changed to the 'intel' driver from 'i810' ?
[09:14] <Plinskin> d1006: no, i have a laptop
[09:14] <gnomefreak> bascule: they are buggy still but should be worked out by release. still wont beable to use i965 with compiz though
[09:14] <d1006> Plinskin: at the menu does hittin F[x]  work for you?
[09:14] <bascule> penguin42: no, never knew there was one
[09:15] <d1006> F[some numer1-6 iirc]
[09:15] <penguin42> bascule: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf - do you see intel or i810 ?
[09:15] <Plinskin> d1006: yes, and i can go up and down thorug options
[09:15] <bascule> gnomefreak: using 945m here and it is proably as good as gf4 mx|| 5200
[09:15] <nikolam> OK, I selected uk in gui and then added gb in front of archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39055/
[09:15] <bretzel> ( graphics perfomances ) ==> I do have a Gf8 8600GTS and see no diffs with my old 7600GS... something is wrong with the drivers/settings/XOrg...certainly!
[09:15] <Plinskin> but when i choose one an press enter it freezes
[09:15] <d1006> Plinskin:  So what's frozen?gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[09:15] <gnomefreak> nikolam: run sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after you save it
[09:15] <gnomefreak> nikolam: wait
[09:16] <bascule> penguin42: still i810
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nikolam: you dont put CC in security repos
[09:16] <d1006> er ignore the paste at the end of my line ^_^
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nikolam: take gb. out of the last section of repos
[09:16] <penguin42> bascule: Hmm OK; I changed to the intel one - although as mentioned; it's a bit flaky
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nikolam: wait a minute wtf
[09:17] <Plinskin> its when i choose one option of the menu when it freezes
[09:17] <d1006> nothing happens at all, it freezes at the menu?
[09:17] <Plinskin> yes
[09:17] <Plinskin> no black screens, just freezes
[09:17] <gnomefreak> nikolam: your security repos are messed up now
[09:17] <bascule> penguin42: it works ok, just gettin 950 on (the unscientific) glxgears was up at 1150 before
[09:18] <d1006> Plinskin:  did you try various noacpi type options?
[09:18] <Plinskin> and keyboard doesnt respond, i have to turn off my computer
[09:18] <nikolam> Ok, I fixed sec. repos . http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39057/
[09:18] <Plinskin> no, i didnt
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: make the last section loo like http://paste.ubuntu.com/507/
[09:18] <bretzel> corrupted cd maybe ...
[09:18] <nikolam> re-run update (in progress)
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: no
[09:18] <stonebear> Anyone know how to get more than 2 workspaces?
[09:18] <Plinskin> im a lttle rocky ^^
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: still not right
[09:18] <d1006> try editing the boot options, noapic, nolapic, noacpi are the usual ones to try iirc
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted  is how it should read
[09:19] <d1006> Plinskin: did you ever have similar problems with a linux install on that laptop?
[09:19] <Plinskin> yes
[09:19] <bretzel> cd drive
[09:19] <Plinskin> i had the busybox one with my feisty
[09:19] <penguin42> bascule: To be honest I haven't done any performance tests
[09:19] <gnomefreak> nikolam: show me new list when done, im gonna go for a smoke
[09:19] <d1006> stonebear: do you have compiz running by chance?
[09:20] <cps1966> !fsck
[09:20] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[09:20] <d1006> Plinskin: I suggest looking up your laptop and looking for kernel boot options that might go with it, if you're sure the media (cd/dvd) you're using is defect free
[09:21] <nikolam> Ok, done :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39058/
[09:21] <Plinskin> ok, thanks
[09:23] <gnomefreak> nikolam: remove is how it should read from that line
[09:23] <gnomefreak> nikolam: remove the part that says "is how it should read"
[09:24] <nikolam> sorry i`m idiot :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39059/
[09:24] <gnomefreak> nikolam: after you remove that part you should be good
[09:24] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok sudo apt-get update
[09:24] <gnomefreak> make sure no errors
[09:25] <nikolam> redo update then dist-upgrade?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:25] <gnomefreak> nikolam: it should try to update all packages now
[09:25] <nikolam> doing
[09:26] <gnomefreak> nikolam: after gutsy is released you can enable the partner repos and it should give you more packages but right now they are not up and running
[09:26] <nikolam> 14mins ETA minimum
[09:26] <gnomefreak> nikolam: for update or dist-upgrade?
[09:26] <nikolam> dist
[09:26] <gnomefreak> nikolam: is it upgrading all the cserver and perl packages?
[09:27] <gnomefreak> xserver
[09:27] <penguin42> partner repos?
[09:27] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39060/
[09:27] <gnomefreak> penguin42: they are in sources.list if clean install
[09:28] <gnomefreak> penguin42: they were the commericial repos
[09:28] <gnomefreak> penguin42: # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner
[09:28] <rom> hi
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> anyone familiar with this?  I'm seeing it as well<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:28] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok that should do it than. when done with that just make sure you run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:29] <rom> one kubuntu gutsy, I can modify the sound volume with my keyboard, but I can only choose 89% or 100%
[09:29] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah I haven't got that
[09:29] <gnomefreak> nikolam: that will make sure everything is good
[09:29] <rom> -one +on
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: upgrade?
[09:29] <nikolam> gnomefreak: Okidoki. Ok.
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: or tribe4-5?
[09:29] <rom> I can't select under 89%
[09:29] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Upgrade
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thats why
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: they dont work anyway for now
[09:30] <gnomefreak> penguin42: add them after release or add now and just leave the # for both of them
[09:31] <afief> When pressing print screen on my keyboard nothing happens, is there a way to get a screen capture anyway?
[09:31] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Thanks
[09:31] <gnomefreak> afief: its because compiz is running
[09:31] <gnomefreak> afief: you have to enable it in conpiz
[09:32] <gnomefreak> or gconf-editor should have it as well
[09:32] <cps1966> thats dumb
[09:32] <gnomefreak> agreed
[09:32] <bur[n] e1> lol
[09:32] <gnomefreak> but compiz takes over you keyboards config
[09:32] <gnomefreak> because it uses it for other things
[09:33] <cps1966> i'm about to give up on ubuntu
[09:33] <gnomefreak> cps1966: eh its nto that hard
[09:33] <gnomefreak> not
[09:33] <afief> I guess the printscreen should be enabled by default... it's one hell of a lifesaver sometimes
[09:33] <cps1966> well if you had my machine everyting is hard
[09:33] <nikolam> cps1966: Dont give it up ;) You know the song :)
[09:34] <cps1966> fsck dies at boot
[09:34] <gnomefreak> afief: if you turn conpiz off it works (this is something i will ask about since i keep forgetting i makinga note
[09:34] <d1006> afief: tbh I never use printscreen
[09:34] <gnomefreak> cps1966: oh that is always fun :( i believe i saw a bug report on that as well
[09:34] <afief> d1006, well, I use it to show people my node setup in blender, tell friends what "unfindable" button to press....etc
[09:34] <gnomefreak> applications>accesories>screen shot
[09:35] <cps1966> getting daily now see if it was fixed
[09:35] <gnomefreak> cps1966: what date were you using?
[09:35] <d1006> afief: yeah i'm sure it's pretty useful for some peeps :)
[09:35] <cps1966> beta1
[09:35] <bur[n] e1> cps1966: works here on gutsy of today
[09:35] <gnomefreak> cps1966: that should been fine
[09:35] <gnomefreak> cps1966: but i have seen people have issues
[09:36] <gnomefreak> just cant remember if in here or bug report
[09:36] <cps1966> yeah but its not took over an hour to get OO crap that i dont use  and i wish it would let you pick your own stuff you want installed
[09:37] <cps1966> gnomefreak:  when you have 1.9 TB its important
[09:39] <Plinskin> d1006: hi, im back
[09:40] <Plinskin> it didnt work
[09:40] <d1006> Plinskin: didn't find any useful info?
[09:42] <d1006> tell me your laptop info...
[09:44] <stonebear> d1006: sorry bout that, i think so
[09:44] <d1006> stonebear: mm? sorry i forget what you said/i said ^_^
[09:44] <stonebear> Anyone know how to get more than 2 workspaces?
[09:45] <d1006> ah
[09:45] <bur[n] e1> now if only flash player would work with compiz so we could watch the office in wobbly, transparent glory, life would be wonderful!
[09:45] <d1006> well if you have compiz you need to install compizconfig- blah settings manager
[09:45] <d1006> to enable more desktops
[09:46] <stonebear> thanks
[09:46] <d1006> bur[n] e1: I hope you mean the real The Office with Ricky Gervais ^_^
[09:46] <Plinskin> d1006: no, i didnt
[09:46] <d1006> stonebear: compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:46] <bur[n] e1> d1006: i appreciate them both...
[09:47] <nikolam> For screenshots: sudo apt-get install scrot  http://linuxbrit.co.uk/scrot/
[09:47] <stonebear> sweet, thanks d
[09:47] <d1006> Plinskin: you'll need to share your laptop details (make/model etc) with us then
[09:47] <d1006> bur[n] e1: :P
[09:48] <penguin42> nikolam: If you want command line you can always do   convert X: blah.jpg
[09:48] <nikolam> niice :)
[09:49] <Plinskin> siemens-fujitsu, cpu:intel core2duo santa rosa, grafics: intel GMA x300, hd: sata 160gb with a volume of 40gb for windowsxp, wifi intel 4965AGN, RAM 2gb
[09:50] <nikolam> gnomefreak: Done update/dist-upgrade http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39063/ Reboot?
[09:51] <d1006> Plinskin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474693&highlight=BusyBox+v1.1.1
[09:51] <d1006> santa rosa machines do have probs with ubuntu atm afaik tho
[09:52] <Plinskin> thats y i wanted to get the 7.10 version
[09:53] <nikolam> Plinskin: 7.10 is developer version still. For stability use 7.04
[09:53] <d1006> nikolam: to be fair, santa rosa systems are presumably even less supported in feisty
[09:53] <cps1966> kernels to old
[09:54] <nikolam> Didn`t know that.
[09:54] <Plinskin> its not stable 4 me. i have changed so many configs that it has many bugs 4 my system
[09:55] <d1006> Plinskin: does it change anything when try the 'live boot=break' boot option?
[09:55] <cps1966> i had to move to 2.6.23 series kernel
[09:55] <Plinskin> no
[09:56] <d1006> Plinskin: if cps1966 is running a santa rosa system maybe he can help you more than i ^_^
[09:56] <cps1966> na i'm not but have lots of hardware
[09:57] <d1006> apart from trying the various boot options i have no suggestions what so ever and can only ominously say that i've heard santa rosa and bad linux experiences a lot recently
[09:58] <Plinskin> i have 2.6.22 kernel and my computer freezes sometimes when im downloading things, i cant run beryl properly, startup aplications doesnt always work...
[09:58] <d1006> "Turns out all those with Santa Rosa processors couldn't even start the system."
[09:59] <Plinskin> thats y i wanted gutsy
[09:59] <d1006> "According to people commenting on the relevant bug in Launchpad, the alternate CD works fine."
[09:59] <d1006> did u try the alternate CD?
[09:59] <d1006> Plinskin: I highly suggest reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536414&highlight=santa+rosa
[10:00] <d1006> it seems possible to get it working
[10:00] <d1006> but gutsy doesn't seem like a 'work out of the box' solution for your santa rosa problems
[10:00] <d1006> if that's what you're after ^_^
[10:02] <nikolam> :So it works fine with kernel re-compile?
[10:02] <d1006> looks like it might simply need special boot option or a bios tweak to me
[10:04] <nikolam> so santa rosa should use alternate cd and enable legacy emulated HD settings in bios.
[10:07] <yeager> why does rsvg-convert consume 100% cpu during the first minutes after a reboot?
[10:13] <cps1966> why do all ubuntu mirrors choke your download so much
[10:14] <cps1966> 450kbs to 5 kbs
[10:16] <cps1966> looks like a problem on the fat end
[10:17] <frostburn> a lot of updates last night
[10:19] <penguin42> WEIRD!
[10:19] <penguin42> If I tap this 3 button mouse on the desk it generates button 4 and 5 events!
[10:20] <nikolam> Please click button 5 on mouse to continue.. :))
[10:20] <cps1966> hit it with hammer it might do 6 and 7
[10:20] <hylje> hit mouse9 to continue
[10:20] <penguin42> I'd just started using it and wondered why the window was sometimes scrolling
[10:21] <nikolam> Its hidden ability to mouse and mouse is m$oft-controlled. Bill Gates possessed it :))
[10:22] <cps1966> anyone for vista to xp upgrade
[10:23] <nikolam> Hack-a-mouse: Add 2 more buttons to your mouse, and feel better :))
[10:23] <nikolam> I am more for xp to ubuntu upgrade :)
[10:23] <penguin42> weird - it looks like a 3 button mouse internally
[10:24] <nikolam> I once had bugs in my computer and bios died. Actally I had ants in apartment those days :)
[10:25] <BHSPitLappy> that must have been back when bios chips were made from sugar
[10:25] <Ben_Cs> if i use feisty, and CLI: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  , then i'll be upgraded to gutsy right?
[10:26] <BHSPitLappy> Ben_Cs, no, because your sources are feisty sources
[10:26] <Ben_Cs> so what will the above command accomplish?
[10:26] <bur[n] er> aww... pidgin doesn't let you run ! commands!!
[10:27] <bur[n] er> ubotu: tell Ben_Cs about Upgrade
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> if you change your sources and do that, then you'll be good... though I encourage searching for a published way of doing this rather than taking my word
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> huh
[10:27] <bur[n] er_> !upgrade | Ben_Cs
[10:27] <ubotu> Ben_Cs: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> I
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> I've only heard of usb -> ps/2
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> ok. but what does: dist-upgrade do then?
[10:30] <Gnontghol> "Getting upgrade pre-requists failed"
[10:32] <cps1966> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list put gutsy in place of feisty
[10:33] <Gnontghol> cps1966: thanks
[10:33] <cps1966> then do sudo apt-get update
[10:34] <DanaG> !aptitude
[10:34] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[10:34] <DanaG> run it with no parameters, for a nifty GUI.
[10:37] <Xero> DanaG, I like my Aptitude with marshmallows, not GUI.
[10:39] <Xero> !test
[10:39] <ubotu> Failed.
[10:39] <cps1966> flunky
[10:39] <Xero> Does that actually have a different outcome, or is it simply a command that tells ubotu to reply "Failed"?
[10:40] <cps1966> !itime
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about itime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:41] <cps1966> that why he flunked
[10:42] <jussi01> ok, I think it hates me... :(
[10:42] <jussi01> My pc now has decided to have a screen bigger than mine actually is...
[10:43] <sebastian> does anybody know how to add arbitrary characters to the keyboard when alt+another key is pressed?
[10:44] <sebastian> i saw there is an option for  in the keyboard preferences dialogue, but no such thing for say british pound key
[10:48] <jussi01> Is there a way to reinstall a package and all its dependencies?
[10:49] <Turms> jussi01: apt-get install --reinstall package, obviously just for the main pkg
[10:50] <jussi01> Turms: no, that only reinstalls the main package
[10:50] <Turms> jussi01: yes