[02:11] <Captainkrtek> hello
[02:11] <Captainkrtek> anything I can help you with ?
[02:11] <Captainkrtek> tuxampol, Guegs or alphur ?
[02:11] <alphur> Captainkrtek, yes
[02:11] <Captainkrtek> anything I can help you with? :)
[02:12] <alphur> ok, hold on just a second
[02:12] <Captainkrtek> sure
[02:14] <alphur> i'm running nvidia, and whenever a window is too big, the whole window turns white/black, does that make sense?
[02:14] <Captainkrtek> too big as in like Maximized?
[02:15] <alphur> it doesn't have to be maximized all the way, just big enough for it to turn white
[02:15] <Captainkrtek> can you take a screenshot of this?
[02:16] <alphur> http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3024735
[02:16] <alphur> it happens everywhere, i thought it was a unity bug
[02:17] <Captainkrtek> very weird...
[02:17] <Captainkrtek> you might want to file that as a bug
[02:17] <Captainkrtek> I can help you do that if you like
[02:17] <Captainkrtek> although bugs are not my expertise
[02:17] <alphur> mm, i did some googling and looks like all distributions are having this problem
[02:17] <Captainkrtek> could it be gnome?
[02:18] <alphur> well, i looked here https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23381?project=1&pagenum=3
[02:18] <alphur> seems like KDE as well
[02:18] <Captainkrtek> interesting
[02:18] <Captainkrtek> well then I guess we have to wait for a patch
[02:19] <alphur> ok
[02:20] <Captainkrtek> anything else I can help with?
[02:20] <alphur> no, i think i'm fine
[02:21] <alphur> will look around for solutions to my problem :)
[02:21] <alphur> maybe will contact nvidia
[02:21] <Captainkrtek> alphur, okay, let me know if you need anything :)
[03:19] <Error404NotFoun1> anyone care to tell me how to get flash to work right?
[03:20] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: how is it not working?
[03:20] <holstein> its sketchy*
[03:20] <holstein> generally
[03:21] <Error404NotFoun1> not showing crap
[03:21] <Error404NotFoun1> its just really flakey
[03:21] <holstein> sounds about right
[03:21] <holstein> have you tried different browsers?
[03:21] <Error404NotFoun1> yes
[03:22] <holstein> i find flash acts differently in opera
[03:22] <Error404NotFoun1> they all suck
[03:22] <Error404NotFoun1> i miss ie
[03:22] <holstein> have you tried opera?
[03:22] <Error404NotFoun1> yep
[03:22] <holstein> run IE in wine
[03:22] <Error404NotFoun1> that was the worst one i tried
[03:22] <holstein> with the windows version of flash ;)
[03:22] <Error404NotFoun1> that would be a big pain in the arse
[03:23] <holstein> well, if you've tried *all* the browser
[03:23] <holstein> and you want IE
[03:23] <holstein> go for it
[03:23] <Error404NotFoun1> yeah and every little update to ie and i have to reinstall
[03:23] <Error404NotFoun1> cant run windows update
[03:23] <holstein> lol
[03:23] <holstein> its not like linux though
[03:23] <holstein> windows update just pulls in core updates
[03:24] <holstein> you still have to go get flash updates
[03:25] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, I can help you with flash
[03:25] <Error404NotFoun1> flash dont update much
[03:25] <Captainkrtek> what is your setup?
[03:25] <Captainkrtek> Chrome? 64bit?
[03:26] <Error404NotFoun1> firefox 64x
[03:26] <Captainkrtek> Oh I can help :)
[03:26] <Captainkrtek> let me give you a script I modified
[03:26] <Error404NotFoun1> chrome was junk
[03:26] <holstein> *flash is the issue
[03:26] <holstein> you can not like chrome though if you want...
[03:27] <Error404NotFoun1> i dont like anything google related
[03:27] <holstein> you dont have to
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, let me give you this script, hold on a second
[03:28] <Error404NotFoun1> why do people think linux is so good
[03:28] <Error404NotFoun1> open source garbage
[03:28] <Error404NotFoun1> and they cant get flash to work lol
[03:29] <Error404NotFoun1> only like 99% of sites use flash
[03:29] <holstein> flash is not open source
[03:29] <holstein> i mean, dont start trolling Error404NotFoun1
[03:29] <holstein> if you want help
[03:29] <Error404NotFoun1> i was tsalking about linux
[03:29] <holstein> we can do that
[03:30] <holstein> but lots of us are passionate about open source here
[03:30] <holstein> and the issue is not with linux or open source
[03:30] <holstein> its flash support*
[03:30] <Error404NotFoun1> but it is lol
[03:30] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: right, its actually not
[03:30] <Error404NotFoun1> open source means tons of people work on it and they cant get flash to work
[03:30] <Captainkrtek> not the best place to share that kind of opinion if you want help
[03:30] <Error404NotFoun1> thats just sad
[03:30] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, it works
[03:30] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: they are not allowed to
[03:30] <Captainkrtek> Im uploading the script
[03:31] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: do you understand that?
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> Adobe Flash is not licensed under any FOSS license
[03:31] <holstein> no one in the open source community maintains flash
[03:31] <holstein> it is what it is
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> it's proprietary
[03:31] <Error404NotFoun1> then linux can never be good as windows
[03:31] <holstein> and we all have to just deal with it
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> it still works Error404NotFoun1
[03:31] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: linux can never show flash as good as windows*
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, I can upload this script if you want flash to work for you
[03:31] <holstein> and thats not true either
[03:32] <holstein> IF we get better support from adobe
[03:32] <Error404NotFoun1> what is this script going to do
[03:32] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: help you
[03:32] <holstein> with your flash issue
[03:32] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, itll wget the adobe 64 bit preview and copy the right .so files to your plugins directory
[03:32] <Error404NotFoun1> its gonna make my computer reboot into windows?
[03:32] <Error404NotFoun1> lol
[03:33] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: im taking offense to that
[03:33] <Captainkrtek> me as well
[03:33] <Error404NotFoun1> lol
[03:33] <holstein> just so you know
[03:33] <Error404NotFoun1> i thought it was funny
[03:33] <holstein> no one here is paid to help you
[03:33] <Captainkrtek> I'll let you help yourself
[03:33] <holstein> i wont
[03:33] <holstein> i'll help you Error404NotFoun1
[03:34] <holstein> because i want you to know, regardless of what you think
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> I mean Ill upload it, but Im not going to provide support with an attitude
[03:34] <holstein> this community will help you
[03:34] <Error404NotFoun1> i dont have an attitude
[03:35] <holstein> you're being combatitive
[03:35] <Error404NotFoun1> im just think of people saying linux is better than windows when its clearly not
[03:35] <Error404NotFoun1> sick*
[03:35] <holstein> no one said that!
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, everyone has opinions
[03:35] <holstein> you can think windows is better
[03:35] <holstein> thats fine
[03:35] <holstein> but, its opinion
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, http://rootzwiki.com/flash.sh download it, chmod +x it then in a terminal ./flash.sh
[03:35] <Error404NotFoun1> yes ubuntu is leaps better than crusty red hat of old
[03:35] <Error404NotFoun1> but linux has many years to go b4 it can compete with windows
[03:36] <holstein> compete?
[03:36] <holstein> you mean showing flash video?
[03:36] <holstein> thats not a gauge for me
[03:36] <Error404NotFoun1> i mean do anything as well as windows
[03:36] <holstein> but again
[03:36] <holstein> that doesnt have anything to do with it
[03:36] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, run that script, it should fix your issue
[03:36] <Error404NotFoun1> it has everything to do with it
[03:37] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, in what way does it?
[03:37] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: OK
[03:37] <Error404NotFoun1> if lunux was so good why do no manufacturers sell computers with it
[03:37] <IdleOne> Apple does
[03:37] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, becuase Microsoft is a corporation that has paid employees to develop, they have gained money to lobby their software onto OEM's hardware
[03:37] <IdleOne> Dell
[03:37] <holstein> yeah, HP
[03:37] <igjohn> hello ubuntu users .... i am new to ubuntu and i need help setting up a dedicated server
[03:37] <holstein> but, i think we need to stop with the troll feeding...
[03:37] <Error404NotFoun1> lol
[03:37] <Captainkrtek> igjohn, I would be glad to help you
[03:37] <IdleOne> holstein: agreed
[03:38] <IdleOne> :)
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> agreed as well
[03:38] <holstein> :)
[03:38] <Error404NotFoun1> you really think demand wouldnt win over microscrap ?
[03:38] <Error404NotFoun1> if linux was really better people would actualy want it
[03:38] <Error404NotFoun1> which manufacturers would see
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, please get back on topic, everyone has opinions, doesnt mean you have to argue them, if you need help with Ubuntu we are here to do that
[03:39] <Error404NotFoun1> its not an opinion
[03:39] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, okay
[03:39] <maheanuu> I had a problem with Skype running on Ubuntu 10.10 using Pulse Audio, I was breaking up on all my pots line connections but Skype to Skype was perfectr
[03:40] <maheanuu> I decided to change from Pulse audio to Alsa and now I really have prob's
[03:40] <Captainkrtek> maheanuu, check for updates, I saw some for Pulse Audio the other day
[03:40] <holstein> maheanuu: yeah, did you use a guide?
[03:40] <holstein> to purge pulse?
[03:40] <holstein> maybe we can un-do that
[03:40] <holstein> if you want*
[03:41] <Captainkrtek> holstein, I think you can view the update history in package manager
[03:41] <IdleOne> I saw an article a couple of weeks ago about an insurance company in Europe who is switching all it's servers to Ubuntu and 10000 work stations to Ubuntu also. nobody wants it...
[03:41] <Captainkrtek> wow :)
[03:42] <Error404NotFoun1> yeah cuz they a cheap company
[03:42] <holstein> all i know is, i want it, and prefer it
[03:42] <Error404NotFoun1> dont want to spend a fortune on windows
[03:42] <holstein> and thats enough :)
[03:42] <maheanuu> I really want to get it right, when i had pulse I couldn't call any of the commercial numbers as I was breaking up and people told me to change to Alsa to get away from that problem, but no one mentioned the fun I was going to get into after the change
[03:42] <IdleOne> there are governments all over the world switching to Linux.
[03:42] <Captainkrtek> Also the fastest growing Mobile OS is Linux Based
[03:42] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, most websites you visit run linux :)
[03:42] <holstein> maheanuu: you want to stay with alsa then?
[03:42] <holstein> should be do-able*
[03:42] <Error404NotFoun1> im not a web site
[03:43] <IdleOne> you're right
[03:43] <holstein> i havent *not* had pulse since 8.04 probably ;)
[03:43] <nit-wit> holstein, hello, are you running natty
[03:43] <holstein> nit-wit: o/
[03:43] <Captainkrtek> hey nit-wit
[03:43] <nit-wit> ;)
[03:43] <holstein> i have natty on a testing machine
[03:43]  * IdleOne is tired of all the complainers and whiners. you don't like linux then don't use it.
[03:43] <holstein> im still running 10.04 mostly
[03:43] <maheanuu> I am not sure, holstein, I want to be able to talk to pots phones in the USA as many of those I am in contact with are not computer literate
[03:43] <Captainkrtek> IdleOne, +1
[03:43] <Error404NotFoun1> Captainkrtek:  i dled the file but have no idea what you want me to do with it
[03:43] <nit-wit> Captainkrtek, ;)
[03:44] <holstein> yeah, its free to install, and remove linux :)
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, open a terminal, where did you download the file to?
[03:44] <holstein> maheanuu: where did you get the idea that pulse was the issue?
[03:44] <nit-wit> holstein, cool, just wanted to say hi rather then lurk.;)
[03:44] <Error404NotFoun1> downloads
[03:44] <nit-wit> *than
[03:44] <holstein> nit-wit: good to see you
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, do this in a terminal chmod +x /home/yourusername/Downloads/flash.sh
[03:45] <maheanuu> holstein, what do you think I should do, switch back to pulse or stick with Alsa?
[03:45] <holstein> maheanuu: depends, i was just wondering why you think alsa would be better
[03:45] <holstein> its challenging dealing with the closed source stuff
[03:45] <holstein> in ubuntu
[03:45] <Error404NotFoun1> Captainkrtek:  that dont look like it did anything
[03:45] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, it won't output anything
[03:46] <maheanuu> I had read that pulse was causing instability in Skype on the net somewhere and from there it became a slippery slope
[03:46] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, then do /home/yourusername/Downloads/flash.sh
[03:46] <holstein> maheanuu: you have audio now?
[03:46] <holstein> in general?
[03:46] <holstein> with alsa?
[03:47] <maheanuu> I know this notebook is using an AMD ATI card built into the motherboard and I still do not have it working correctly either
[03:47] <Error404NotFoun1> ffs
[03:47] <Error404NotFoun1> bash: /home/kg/Downloads/flash.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[03:47] <holstein> maheanuu: looks like wine with the windows version of skype is not a solution...
[03:47] <nit-wit> holstein, I met a girl in a class who's father is from new Orleans , father is a musician, she new about the musicians village , that was my first question.;)
[03:48] <holstein> nit-wit: cool
[03:48] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, make sure you typed in the filename correctly
[03:48] <Error404NotFoun1> i copied and pasted
[03:48] <maheanuu> Yes but it is insanely low in volume and I look at /system/preferences/sound and I am not seeing anything but a small window telling me that sound isn't there
[03:48] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, or just open the file via the explorer
[03:48] <Captainkrtek> right click the file and run
[03:48] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: you need you make 'yourusername' your user name... did you do that?
[03:49] <holstein> maheanuu: thats OK
[03:49] <nit-wit> holstein, father know Ellis M, and the family it seems. anyway off topic, you run into the most interesting people in odd places.
[03:49] <maheanuu> No, I am totally away from windoze, I do not run anything MicroS**t has to offer
[03:49] <holstein> maheanuu: what about in a terminal alsamixer
[03:49] <holstein> dont trust the labels
[03:49] <Error404NotFoun1> Captainkrtek:  there is no run option
[03:49] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, then you didn't chmod +x it properly
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> did you change the yourusername to your actual username?
[03:50] <maheanuu> hang on bringing up terminal now
[03:50] <Error404NotFoun1> yes lol
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, chmod +x ~/Downloads/flash.sh && ~/Downloads/flash.sh
[03:51] <maheanuu> The speakers are at full volume in terminal
[03:52] <holstein> maheanuu: try tweaking them all though
[03:52] <Error404NotFoun1> negative..
[03:52] <maheanuu> Master is set at 80
[03:52] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, you sure flash.sh is in /Downloads
[03:52] <Error404NotFoun1> Captainkrtek: if i double click i get a run option
[03:52] <Error404NotFoun1> it does nothing
[03:53] <Captainkrtek> check to see if flash works
[03:53] <Captainkrtek> I dont remember if it is verbose
[03:53] <holstein> maheanuu: right, but try them all, while you have something playing
[03:53] <maheanuu> I just did and I can raise or lower them but nothing changes
[03:53] <Error404NotFoun1> nope still flakey
[03:53] <holstein> flash is flakey
[03:54] <Error404NotFoun1> not on windows
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, should work, I just ran the script fine
[03:54] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: did i say that?
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, then go back to windows if you choose
[03:54] <Error404NotFoun1> well i copied and pasted what you told me to do
[03:54] <Error404NotFoun1> and it does nothing
[03:54] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: did i imply that?
[03:54] <holstein> i did not have the intention of implying that
[03:54] <Error404NotFoun1> sure sounded like it to me
[03:54] <holstein> as a matter of a fact
[03:54] <Captainkrtek> I don't think he did
[03:54] <holstein> when i look back
[03:54] <holstein> i didnt mention windows at all
[03:55] <holstein> i just mentioned flahs
[03:55] <holstein> flash*
[03:55] <holstein> BUT
[03:55] <holstein> i should elaborat
[03:55] <Error404NotFoun1> you didnt mention linux either
[03:55] <holstein> flash is flakey in *linux*
[03:55] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, Im tired of this little bickering going on, I have tried to help, we don't get paid to support people, we will help if we can, if you choose to go back to windows you may, no one is holding you back
[03:56] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: do you see it?
[03:56] <holstein> open the terminal
[03:56] <Error404NotFoun1> ?
[03:57] <holstein> cd /home/kg/Downloads
[03:57] <holstein> then
[03:57] <holstein> ls
[03:57] <holstein> and see if you see the .sh
[03:57] <Error404NotFoun1> erm pidgin is lagging wierd now
[03:57] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: do you see it?
[03:57] <Error404NotFoun1> yep
[03:58] <Error404NotFoun1> im not stupid
[03:58] <holstein> ?
[03:58] <Error404NotFoun1> its in downloads
[03:58] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, we did not imply that
[03:58] <holstein> OK
[03:58] <holstein> yeah
[03:58] <Captainkrtek> then do
[03:58] <holstein> im not implying you are stupid
[03:58] <Captainkrtek> cd /home/kg/Downloads
[03:58] <Captainkrtek> chmod +x flash.sh
[03:58] <Error404NotFoun1> i did
[03:58] <Captainkrtek> ./flash.sh
[03:58] <Captainkrtek> do those 3 commands
[03:58] <holstein> its just challenging, since you have made the vibe cobatitive*
[03:58] <holstein> combative*
[03:58] <holstein> but, not impossible :)
[03:59] <holstein> i say, drag it over in the terminal
[03:59] <holstein> and let the path auto-complete
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> oh forgot about that
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> :)
[03:59] <holstein> thats the newbie trick i use all the time
[03:59] <maheanuu> Holstein, I am now running fairly well...   I now have to set up skype to run with Alsa also
[03:59] <Error404NotFoun1> does nothing
[04:00] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: ?
[04:00] <holstein> its not going to do anything
[04:00] <Error404NotFoun1> dragged it to terminal
[04:00] <holstein> you'll just have to check flash
[04:00] <holstein> and see if it helped
[04:00] <Error404NotFoun1> it froze my screen for a second
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> holstein, it is verbose actually
[04:00] <Error404NotFoun1> and did nothing
[04:00] <holstein> assuming you got the script to run
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> it still may not output
[04:00] <Error404NotFoun1> i think there is something else wrong with ubuntu...
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, close all instances of firefox
[04:01] <Captainkrtek> and open a window
[04:01] <Captainkrtek> see if it worked
[04:01] <Error404NotFoun1> my screen just froze again and the path is in terminal now
[04:01] <holstein> maheanuu: im assuming you've been in the setup?
[04:01] <holstein> for skype?
[04:01] <Error404NotFoun1> i did the ./flash.sh
[04:01] <Error404NotFoun1> got an error
[04:01] <holstein> i kinda gave up on skype a year ago or so
[04:02] <holstein> since i found, and can use mumble for my needs
[04:02] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, what error
[04:02] <holstein> but, that doesnt help you
[04:02] <Error404NotFoun1> No such file or directory
[04:02] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, do chmod 755 flash.sh
[04:02] <Captainkrtek> then ./flash.sh
[04:04] <Error404NotFoun1> i think ubuntu is broke
[04:04] <Error404NotFoun1> its freezing for long periods of time now
[04:04] <holstein> i think the issue is with the graphics driver
[04:04] <holstein> flash and the freezing
[04:04] <holstein> all of it
[04:05] <Captainkrtek> holstein, actually that makes a lot of sense
[04:05] <Error404NotFoun1> and pidgin being messed up?
[04:05] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, what kind of card do you have?
[04:05] <Error404NotFoun1> never done this b4
[04:05] <holstein> i mean, i dont like flash
[04:05] <Error404NotFoun1> nvidia 9600 gt
[04:05] <holstein> and its flakey
[04:05] <holstein> but, it works
[04:05] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: proprietary driver?
[04:05] <Error404NotFoun1> yes
[04:06] <holstein> if i were you, i would force vesa for a bit
[04:06] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:06] <holstein> and see what happens
[04:06] <Error404NotFoun1> ?
[04:06] <holstein> that'll tell you if its the driver at least
[04:06] <holstein> i cheat*
[04:06] <holstein> i use a knoppix live CD
[04:07] <holstein> and copy the xorg.conf
[04:07] <holstein> and force options that way
[04:07] <holstein> im sure theres an easier way
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> holstein, he could edit the kernel on grub bootup
[04:07] <holstein> i mean, you could do safe graphics mode with a live CD
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> add a flag at the end
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> vga= 720
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> or something
[04:07] <holstein> Captainkrtek: totally !
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> :)
[04:07] <holstein> thats temporary too
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> one boot
[04:07] <holstein> thats elegant actually
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> I use it for Single User mode fixes
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> you can actually bypass logon like that 0_o
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> and edit passwords
[04:08] <holstein> *shame on you ;)
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> lol
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> you ever watch hak5?
[04:09] <holstein> its been a while
[04:09] <holstein> i really liked what i saw though
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> you know darrens netbook?
[04:09] <holstein> nah
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> well his netbook
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> I have it
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> :)
[04:09] <maheanuu> holstein, Thanks for the mixer settings in terminal with the Alsa gui
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> all the goodies on their as well
[04:09] <Captainkrtek> there*
[04:10] <holstein> maheanuu: sure, i wish i could help more with skype
[04:10] <Captainkrtek> maheanuu, I can try to help with Skype
[04:11] <maheanuu> I am up and running now, and still I would like to know if I can talk on a pots line without all the breaking up that had gone on before
[04:11] <maheanuu> I am going to call my sis in Oregon they are only 3 hrs ahead of us here in Tahiti
[04:11] <Error404NotFoun1> anyone messed with installing snow leopard on a pc?
[04:12] <maheanuu> BRB with the results
[04:12] <holstein> i consider my intel macbook a PC
[04:12] <Error404NotFoun1> wish i was in tahiti..
[04:12] <Captainkrtek> Im in Seattle
[04:12] <Captainkrtek> rainnnn
[04:13] <Error404NotFoun1> minnesota
[04:13] <Error404NotFoun1> rain soon lol
[04:13] <holstein> i used to live on pill hill
[04:13] <maheanuu> We are just coming out from under a low that hammered us in the outer islands
[04:13] <holstein> where boren and broadway intersect?
[04:13] <Captainkrtek> Im wearing my ubuntu hoodie :)
[04:13] <Captainkrtek> nice and cozy
[04:14] <Error404NotFoun1> if ya'll wanted to know why im so combative
[04:14] <Error404NotFoun1> i just quit smoking
[04:14] <Error404NotFoun1> i feel like killing people
[04:14] <maheanuu> I lived in Hubbard OR while I was back there and would make runs to Seattle regularly, to work on the Zodiac and the other boats by the Classic Boat society there
[04:14] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: D00D, im 6 months in :)
[04:14] <holstein> its great... i still kinda want one though
[04:15] <maheanuu> How old are you, Error404?
[04:15] <Error404NotFoun1> 32
[04:15] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: congrats
[04:15] <holstein> i used the patch finally
[04:15] <Error404NotFoun1> i used chewin tobacco
[04:15] <Error404NotFoun1> lol
[04:15] <maheanuu> perhaps if you calmed down a bit you might make it to 40
[04:15] <holstein> ;)
[04:15] <Error404NotFoun1> that dont help much
[04:15] <holstein> i had the Ecigs
[04:16] <holstein> those have nicotine though
[04:16] <Error404NotFoun1> well quitting smoking isnt the only reason im pissed
[04:16] <holstein> and were kinda fun
[04:16] <holstein> the gum was kinda fun too
[04:16] <holstein> the patch worked well
[04:16] <maheanuu> I am over double your age, and I learned a long long time ago that angry got you dead
[04:16] <Error404NotFoun1> my wife just made up a bunch of shit and got me arrested
[04:16] <Error404NotFoun1> and got the courts to take my kids from me
[04:16] <holstein> im sorry to hear that
[04:17] <Error404NotFoun1> so im a bit pissed
[04:17] <Captainkrtek> sorry to hear as well
[04:17] <Error404NotFoun1> shes lucky im sane
[04:17] <Error404NotFoun1> thats all im saying
[04:17] <Error404NotFoun1> i sure do wish i could get flash working better
[04:18] <Error404NotFoun1> idk why nothing you tell me to do does nothing
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, go download teamviewer
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> from teamviewer.com
[04:18] <Error404NotFoun1> already got it
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> I can try to remotely do it
[04:18] <Error404NotFoun1> i use tv all the time in windows
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> want me to try?
[04:18] <maheanuu> And that is reason to disrupt a place where people are looking for help???   Sorry lad, but I think that you are too full of yourself to even reason with
[04:19] <maheanuu> I smoked for 59 years and when I quit I never had an argument with anyone, but again different strokes for different folks...   Just this old Chief's opinion
[04:21] <Error404NotFoun1> mmm
[04:21] <Error404NotFoun1> vodka does a body good
[04:21] <Error404NotFoun1> cheif?
[04:21] <Error404NotFoun1> military mad?
[04:21] <Error404NotFoun1> man*
[04:24] <Captainkrtek> interesting
[04:24] <Captainkrtek> teamviewer for linux is teamviewer for windows in a wine shell
[04:25] <Captainkrtek> talk about laziness :P
[04:25] <holstein> hey, at least it works
[04:25] <Captainkrtek> ehh sorta
[04:25] <Captainkrtek> it has a bug that bothers me
[04:25] <holstein> even the file transfer stuff
[04:25] <Captainkrtek> every time you update you have to reboot
[04:25] <Captainkrtek> or kill some processes in htop
[04:25] <Captainkrtek> it leaves some updater processes running
[04:25] <holstein> i dont use it enough to notice
[04:29] <Error404NotFound> fun
[04:38] <maheanuu> There are times that make me happy that I no longer have to deal with the "average" murican
[04:41] <maheanuu> I called the pots line to Orygun just now and had a 5.5 conversation with my sister...  Tried the bank again and still have the problem of not being able to communicate with their computer that is the answering service
[04:41] <maheanuu> Looks like I will deal with my local bank there and let them hash it out
[04:43] <maheanuu> Our biggest prob is that the dollar is almost as valuable as teepee.....  My retirement puts me well below the poverty line....   Oh well, fishin costs nothing and gardens only a little more....
[04:43] <maheanuu> Skype to Skype is nickle....   I think that I am working well there
[04:45] <maheanuu> Captainkrtek, has spring, sprung up there?
[04:45] <holstein> yeah
[04:45] <holstein> i didnt think pulse was the culprit
[04:45] <maheanuu> You in the northwest also holstein?
[04:45] <holstein> and skype to skype means skype is working properly
[04:46] <holstein> im not clear on what you are tying to connect to
[04:46] <holstein> but i would look at that
[04:46] <holstein> and maybe try some alternatives
[04:47] <holstein> im in northcarolina
[04:47] <holstein> US
[04:48] <maheanuu> I deal with Key Bank and every now and then they get a bug up their nether region and put a block on one or the other of our credit cards, seems that they don't realize that we do not live in the USA , but we still need to do banking with you as the US Gov. will not send retirement funds to a foreign bank
[04:48] <maheanuu> 2 months ago I got nailed, and this week my wife is blocked
[04:49] <maheanuu> I know that something is coming down the pike when I get a note telling me that someone in French Polynesia is using my credit card or my wife
[04:49] <maheanuu> s credit card
[04:50] <maheanuu> I lived in the USA for over 10 years and never once did I have a problem with my french Card and I used it regularly as needed
[04:51] <maheanuu> But when you are a member of a small bank where everyone knows you there are no problems, your problems are that you have grown obscenely large and no one knows or cares about anyone any longer
[04:53] <maheanuu> I liked using Pulse Audio, as the gains were really good and controls worked fine, it just didn't play well with Skype or at least not on this toshiba lapto[
[04:54] <maheanuu> laptop dammit
[04:54] <Captainkrtek> holstein, finally got his flash working
[04:55] <holstein> Captainkrtek: congrats
[04:55] <maheanuu> I find that I am still learning, I have never stopped in all my years, every day is learning something new and usually interesting...   I for one am happy that I no longer have to deal with windoze
[04:55] <holstein> yeah, i agree
[04:56] <holstein> but, we try not to do that here
[04:56] <holstein> since, windows is a vaiable solution for lots of folks
[04:56] <holstein> and lots of users dual boot
[04:57] <maheanuu> Captain and holstein, I have a photosite that you might like to peruse, any photos that you might like just rt click on the size you like and do a "save as" and they are yours to use however you like
[04:57] <Captainkrtek> maheanuu, thanks! :)
[04:57] <Captainkrtek> I do photography as well
[04:57] <maheanuu> go to http://mah.smugmug.com/other/anoceanapart
[04:58] <maheanuu> the newest are the last photos and the oldest are the front...
[04:58] <Captainkrtek> wow very nice pictures!
[04:58] <Captainkrtek> I have a Canon 50D
[04:58] <maheanuu> Thank you
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> do you have the waterfall in full res?
[04:59] <maheanuu> I am shooting with a D200 and saving my pennies for a D300i later on this summer
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> I need a new wallpaper ;)
[04:59] <maheanuu> Yes it should be there
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> ahh found it
[04:59] <maheanuu> Is that the silver falls one?
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> hmm very pixelated
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> any higher res?
[04:59] <maheanuu> My mom lives about 40 miles from it
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> here we go
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> found a diff. one
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> :)
[05:00] <maheanuu> Which photo are you looking at, I will go to the page
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> I found it
[05:00] <maheanuu> Ok,
[05:01] <maheanuu> I never took a photo till I went home to take care of mom.....  My family wanted to see what Orygun looked like
[05:01] <Captainkrtek> you're now lucky enough to be on my desktop heh :P
[05:01] <maheanuu> Thanx and thank you for liking something I did
[05:02] <maheanuu> I started shooting around the age of 60+, I am 73 now
[05:02] <Captainkrtek> very cool
[05:02] <Captainkrtek> you're quite good at it
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> maheanuu, here are some of my pictures
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> oh hold on
[05:03] <maheanuu> Around the end of the month, I am planning on climbing our Mountain here and spending a week on the summit
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> maheanuu, http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenrichards2010
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> those are some of my pics
[05:04] <bioterror> hey guys, can you please move this offtopic conversation to #ubuntu-beginners-team, this #ubuntu-beginners channel is for problem solving and gets logged
[05:04] <Captainkrtek> sorry bioterror
[05:04] <Captainkrtek> got side tracked

[05:04] <bioterror> np
[05:05] <Captainkrtek> hello webjadmin
[05:05] <maheanuu> Captain, I bookmarked your page and will look more later, see some nice things there also
[05:06] <Captainkrtek> thanks
[05:06] <maheanuu> Sorry bout that bioterror
[05:06] <bioterror> no need to be sorry, you can talk over that team channel as much as you want about anything ;)
[05:06] <webjadmin> Captainkrtek, I'm JackyAlcine.
[05:07] <bioterror> I might even take part!
[05:07] <webjadmin> I didn't notice xchat was already open. lol
[05:07] <Captainkrtek> ahh hello webjadmin / Jacky ;)
[05:07] <webjadmin> So I'm getting a double ping..
[05:07] <webjadmin> !! and my logs! they're being doubled!
[05:07] <ubot2> webjadmin: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[05:08] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[05:24] <Error404NotFound> moo!
[05:24] <Error404NotFound> any other noob crap you can tell me
[05:24] <Error404NotFound> any dl;'s i need
[05:25] <Error404NotFound> Captainkrtek:
[05:25] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, for what?
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> idk
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> im new to linux
[05:34] <Captainkrtek> not sure what you need
[05:35] <Error404NotFound> i need wine to see my freakin optical drives...
[05:37] <Error404NotFound> Captainkrtek:
[05:38] <Captainkrtek> yes
[05:38] <Error404NotFound> ^^
[05:38] <Error404NotFound> need wine to see optical drives
[06:10] <robech> hi
[06:10] <robech> somebody here?
[06:13] <Error404NotFound> nope
[06:13] <Error404NotFound> erm
[08:23] <l_adrian> hi all
[08:23] <l_adrian> new convert, but struggling with 11.04 and setting up my wireless
[08:24] <l_adrian> HP dv6 2113
[08:24] <l_adrian> broadcom adapter
[08:26] <MrChrisDruif> l_adrian; I'm sorry, I've got no experience with Broadcom chips, I might know a bot command, hold on
[08:26] <MrChrisDruif> !wireless
[08:26] <ubot2> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:27] <l_adrian> Thanks anyway :)
[08:27] <l_adrian> i had noticed (on a lot of forums) that it is an ongoing problem with 11.04
[08:29] <MrChrisDruif> With the wireless?
[10:31] <justaguestasking> Hi, first to all, I'm not an english-speaker. That explains the mistakes I'm sure I'll do. I had a problem with a fresh natty install. after log in  the desktop appears, but no icons, no bars. When rigth-clicking, menu goes on and off, like the refreshing were 0.5 FPS
[10:31] <justaguestasking> Just Gnome classic works
[10:32] <justaguestasking> What can i do to solve it? I have a Nvidia FX5200 graphic card
[14:16] <soadkombucha> My laptop recognizes my integrated webcam/mic as the input devices that they are, however, when I try to use Cheese or Skype to test my video, I get a black screen, and the mic is not accepting any actual input. Can anyone help?
[14:40] <soadkombucha> My laptop recognizes my integrated webcam/mic as the input devices that they are, however, when I try to use Cheese or Skype to test my video, I get a black screen, and the mic is not accepting any actual input. Can anyone help?
[14:45] <xardas008> sry but i can't, did you ask in #ubuntu as well?
[14:46] <soadkombucha> I've been asking
[14:46] <soadkombucha> In both
[14:55] <grover_78> anyone online to help a noob?
[14:56] <holstein> with?
[14:57] <grover_78> not sure. I think its incorrect/missing drivers.
[14:57] <grover_78> I'm used to WinXP, this Ubuntu stuff is new to me lol
[14:57] <holstein> grover_78: right
[14:57] <holstein> its not like that with linux
[14:57] <holstein> usualy
[14:58] <holstein> the drivers are just in the kernel
[14:58] <holstein> for most devices
[14:58] <holstein> grover_78: whats not working?
[14:58] <grover_78> well I know I could watch youtube and other videos with no lag/freezing (under XP)
[14:58] <soadkombucha> holstein, did you see my question earlier? I know it's not a beginner question, but #ubuntu doesn't seem to be able to help
[14:58]  * holstein will look soadkombucha :)
[14:59] <soadkombucha> I can repaste
[14:59] <bioterror> no need
[14:59] <grover_78> now youtube is slow/laggy... flash sites also seem to be laggier with ubuntu then with XP
[14:59] <soadkombucha> OK bioterror.
[14:59] <grover_78> so I think its a missing/incorrect vid driver
[14:59] <holstein> grover_78: flash is different
[14:59] <holstein> for win and lin
[14:59] <soadkombucha> grover_78, did you install the restricted extras package?
[14:59] <holstein> but, looking at the graphics driver is a good step
[15:00] <holstein> grover_78: if you havent updated
[15:00] <holstein> i would do that first
[15:00] <grover_78> not sure, just installed it last night before I went to work. Now I'm home again and tinkering
[15:00] <grover_78> how would I check that out?
[15:00] <holstein> then, if the issue is still there
[15:00] <grover_78> (forgive my expreme noobishness)
[15:00] <holstein> you can move on
[15:00] <bioterror> grover_78, open terminal and type: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:00] <bioterror> !cli | grover_78
[15:00] <ubot2> grover_78: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[15:00] <soadkombucha> Or you can open Ubuntu Software Center
[15:01] <bioterror> soadkombucha, guess which is easier and faster ;)
[15:01] <soadkombucha> and search for Ubuntu Restricted Extras
[15:01] <grover_78> ok slooooow down ppl
[15:01] <soadkombucha> bioterror, I know but for a noob GUI may be easier than CLI
[15:01] <holstein> grover_78: its a software package
[15:01] <grover_78> I want to learn this kernal stuff, but one thing ag a time
[15:01] <holstein> this is how you would go about installing that package
[15:01] <grover_78> software center is the easiest?
[15:01] <holstein> the software center is the new-ish way to do that
[15:01] <bioterror> grover_78, first you need to lear that than is not written as then, and same with kernel, it's not kernal ;)
[15:02] <soadkombucha> Software center offers you a graphical front end for apt-get.
[15:02] <bioterror> faster to copy & paste that line into terminal
[15:02] <grover_78> :P cut me some slack Bio, I'm off work and headed to bed in an hr
[15:02] <bioterror> than open bloat software center
[15:02] <soadkombucha> bioterror, again, for someone brand new to ubuntu, GUI may be > CLI
[15:03] <bioterror> soadkombucha, if you dont know how to copy & paste...
[15:03] <soadkombucha> bioterror, especially given that the terminal has different keyboard keys
[15:03] <bioterror> soadkombucha, what?
[15:03] <soadkombucha> And if you're used to ctrl+c and ctrl+v, you may not realize that terminal is ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v
[15:03] <bioterror> no matter what language you speak, parameters are exactly the same
[15:04] <soadkombucha> Terminal requires the use of ctrl+shift for copy/cut/paste/undo operations
[15:04] <bioterror> soadkombucha, and gnome-terminal can handle mouse clicks
[15:04] <bioterror> you really want to argue about this? :D
[15:04] <grover_78> ok I think I got it
[15:04] <soadkombucha> bioterror, I understand this. I'm just saying that there are situations in which an Ubuntu beginner MAY PREFER a GUI interface.
[15:04] <holstein> soadkombucha: when you say 'reconized'
[15:04] <holstein> you mean in lspci?
[15:05] <soadkombucha> holstein, I mean it shows up as a USB 2.0 UVC webcam/mic
[15:05] <grover_78> I used terminal, typed in that command you gave me
[15:05] <holstein> soadkombucha: have you tried vlc ?
[15:05] <soadkombucha> holstein, I've tried multiple OTHER applicatiosn that make use of a microphone or a video camera
[15:05] <bioterror> grover_78, is it now installing stuff for you?
[15:05] <holstein> well, is it both?
[15:05] <holstein> the mic and the cam?
[15:05] <soadkombucha> It's both of them.
[15:05] <holstein> OK
[15:06] <soadkombucha> They're the same chipset on the motherboard.
[15:06] <holstein> soadkombucha: in the terminal
[15:06] <holstein> what do you see for
[15:06] <holstein> aplay -l
[15:06] <holstein> and arecord -l
[15:06] <holstein> ?
[15:06] <holstein> doesnt that seem appropriate?
[15:06] <soadkombucha> My laptop recognizes my integrated webcam/mic as the input devices that they are, however, when I try to use Cheese or Skype to test my video, I get a black screen, and the mic is not accepting any actual input. Can anyone help?
[15:06] <holstein> well...
[15:07] <holstein> just because it sees it
[15:07] <soadkombucha> wait
[15:07] <soadkombucha> Hold on
[15:07] <holstein> doesnt mean its using it
[15:07] <soadkombucha> My shift key stuck
[15:07] <holstein> you can see audio devices listed in lspci
[15:07] <holstein> and not be able to use them
[15:07] <soadkombucha> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[15:07] <soadkombucha> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC272 Analog [ALC272 Analog]
[15:07] <soadkombucha>   Subdevices: 1/1
[15:07] <soadkombucha>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[15:07] <soadkombucha> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
[15:07] <soadkombucha> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC272 Analog [ALC272 Analog]
[15:07] <soadkombucha>   Subdevices: 1/1
[15:07] <soadkombucha>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[15:07] <grover_78> can I break in for a second here?
[15:07] <bioterror> grover_78, sure
[15:07] <holstein> grover_78: anytime :)
[15:08] <holstein> soadkombucha: you want to use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for that in the future :)
[15:08] <grover_78> thanks. Ok, ran the command in terminal. Now I got the usual "end user agreement" stuff, but since its all text based I can't seem to click or hightlight OK
[15:08] <bioterror> s/want/should/ for pastes over 3 lines
[15:08] <soadkombucha> Hit the right arrow key
[15:08] <bioterror> grover_78, use tabulator key
[15:09] <bioterror> normal EULA stuff
[15:09] <grover_78> cool... man so much to learn and get used to
[15:09] <holstein> soadkombucha: i think thats going to be the internal sound card
[15:09] <holstein> and i dont see the webcam audio
[15:09] <holstein> SO, at least you know how to proceed
[15:09] <grover_78> good thing we have all the files backed up on the other computer. Then if I crash this one I don't need to worry
[15:10] <holstein> i think you are assuming the drivers are present and being used
[15:10] <holstein> due to some lspci output
[15:10] <holstein> and thats not the case
[15:10] <soadkombucha> Well hold on...
[15:11] <soadkombucha> Let me go to the sound panel
[15:12] <soadkombucha> under hardware it has listed a device
[15:12] <soadkombucha> with 1 input and 1 output
[15:12] <grover_78> Bio, so this package I'm installing.... what all is in there? additional drivers?
[15:12] <soadkombucha> But hold on... There was somewhere...
[15:12] <holstein> soadkombucha: right
[15:12] <soadkombucha> USB2.0 UVC WebCam (/dev/video0)
[15:12] <holstein> you have at least 2 devices
[15:12] <holstein> *im assuming
[15:12] <holstein> the webcam
[15:12] <soadkombucha> When I go to edit --> preferences under Cheese
[15:12] <holstein> and the internal card
[15:13] <holstein> SO, you should see 2
[15:13] <holstein> in pulse or where ever you look
[15:13] <holstein> and, im not sure what cheese sees
[15:13] <holstein> but, i would work til you see both devices reported
[15:13] <holstein> in arecord -l
[15:13] <grover_78> Another noob question here. Do I need antivirus like I did with Win? why/why not?
[15:13] <holstein> *both devices being your internal sound and the webcam sound
[15:14] <soadkombucha> holstein, how would I approach that?
[15:14] <holstein> soadkombucha: what is it?
[15:14] <holstein> integrated into a netbook?
[15:15] <holstein> Acer CrystalEye Webcam ?
[15:15] <holstein> either way, something like this seems relavant
[15:15] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1235132.html
[15:16] <soadkombucha> It's a Toshiba Satellite L500D-ST2543
[15:17] <holstein> soadkombucha: but this is the integrated webcam?
[15:17] <soadkombucha> It's the integrated webcam
[15:17] <holstein> OK
[15:17] <holstein> doesnt hurt to update
[15:17] <holstein> *usually ;)
[15:17] <holstein> sometimes a kernel update or firmware update can add funcionality
[15:19] <soadkombucha> OK when I try to do that
[15:19] <soadkombucha> ./svn-version.sh: 3: svn: not found
[15:19] <holstein> soadkombucha: do what?
[15:19] <soadkombucha> what sudo apt-get install will pull SVN?
[15:19] <holstein> update?
[15:19] <soadkombucha> the link you sent
[15:20] <soadkombucha> oh wait subversion
[15:20] <soadkombucha> never mind
[15:20] <holstein> soadkombucha: i would read about that
[15:20] <holstein> first
[15:20] <holstein> we're not sure thats for your hardware yet
[15:21] <holstein> soadkombucha: this is ubuntu 11.04 ?
[15:21] <holstein> a fresh install?
[15:22] <holstein> have you gotten it to work automatically in older version of ubuntu?
[15:22] <holstein> or with another kernel?
[15:22] <soadkombucha> It's a fresh install yes
[15:22] <soadkombucha> I installed it last night
[15:23] <soadkombucha> Also, until yesterday when I reflashed my BIOS, I wasn't using linux due to my ACPI layer not loading properly.
[15:23] <holstein> i would try live CD's
[15:23] <holstein> i would want to see what the 10.04 live CD does
[15:23] <holstein> if it picks that hardware up automatically
[15:23] <holstein> then, you can note the kernel version
[15:23] <holstein> and decide what to do
[15:23] <holstein> i would just want to see it working with something
[15:24] <holstein> then, you can learn how to make it work with what ever linux you want
[15:24] <grover_78> ok, so I installed this "hidden update" package... anything else I should do to get my OS  up to speed?
[15:25] <soadkombucha> So download 10.04LTS and see what happens?
[15:25] <soadkombucha> I was having the same problem though in a 10.04 derivative yesterday.
[15:25] <holstein> soadkombucha: *run i live
[15:25] <holstein> soadkombucha: *run it live
[15:26] <soadkombucha> It's an Enlightenment based 10.04LTS and I was having the same mic issue on both that live nad installed yesterday...
[15:26] <soadkombucha> That's why I switched to Ubuntu.
[15:26] <soadkombucha> Well 11.04
[15:26] <soadkombucha> I was hoping the update would fix it.
[15:26] <holstein> right
[15:26] <holstein> so, you already know then
[15:26] <holstein> that its not being seen in 10.04
[15:26] <holstein> hmmm
[15:26] <soadkombucha> So it's not an "I need backports" issue
[15:26] <holstein> soadkombucha: maybe
[15:26] <holstein> thats plausible
[15:27] <holstein> you need drivers
[15:27] <soadkombucha> Well if 10.04 wasn't working...
[15:27] <soadkombucha> I'd have to backport all the way to 9.04
[15:27] <holstein> well, you just want the module
[15:27] <holstein> doesnt matter where you get it i say
[15:28] <soadkombucha> so should I do the repo for Hardy Heron?
[15:28] <holstein> nah
[15:28] <holstein> you could try a hardy live CD though
[15:28] <holstein> if you have one laying around
[15:28] <holstein> but, i dont think thats going to work...
[15:28] <soadkombucha> I don't wanna go back that far... Also, I was talking the repo for Hardy Heron in order to obtain the backports.
[15:30] <holstein> i would be looking for something like that linux-uvc package
[15:30] <holstein> or script*
[15:31] <holstein> to install a module
[15:32] <holstein> actually, i would probably fire off a semi-nasty email
[15:32] <holstein> about not supporting linux
[15:32] <holstein> to the manufacturer
[15:32] <holstein> and just plug in some webcam from the charity shop ;)
[15:33] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-913832.html
[15:34] <holstein> ^ seems like an option
[15:34] <holstein> i think when you spend some time on the actual problem now
[15:34] <holstein> you might come up with something
[15:34] <holstein> since, you were assuming the drivers were present before
[15:34] <soadkombucha> See I need 04f2:b128
[15:35] <grover_78> ok so here's another question or 4 lol
[15:37] <grover_78> 1) do I need antivurus like I did with win? (why or why not) 2) how can linux provide the drivers in the kernal but microsoft needs a bazillion drivers for each version of thier OS?
[15:37] <holstein> grover_78: well, for 1.
[15:37] <holstein> you need to decide that
[15:37] <holstein> i say, do what you feel comfortable with
[15:38] <holstein> do i use AV in linux?
[15:38] <holstein> no
[15:38] <holstein> its really a matter of user permissions
[15:38] <grover_78> well every time I install something I get prompted for my password.. is that what you mean?
[15:38] <holstein> in win, the user is typically 'admin' thus creating an easier experience (arguably) while making security more challening
[15:39] <holstein> grover_78: its really even deeper than that, but kind of*
[15:39] <holstein> for 2. its just different technology
[15:40] <holstein> also, if all the drivers were just in the windows kernel
[15:40] <holstein> then, you could move windows
[15:40] <holstein> in between machines
[15:40] <holstein> like we typically can do easily with linux
[15:40] <grover_78> right
[15:40] <holstein> and that could create some commercial issues for the product
[15:40] <holstein> *pirating and whatever
[15:40] <grover_78> lol just a few :P
[15:41] <holstein> in the end, its just different
[15:41] <grover_78> and since linux is open source, that aspect is a non-issue
[15:41] <grover_78> so, in a nutshell, take everything I know about Win and toss it out the window (no pun intended) ??
[15:43] <holstein> nah
[15:43] <holstein> its just different
[15:43] <holstein> its still a computer though
[15:43] <holstein> file system similarities
[15:43] <soadkombucha> OK well seeing as installing a new version of the UVC drivers seems to be the only option because no one seems to have addressed this webcam...
[15:43] <soadkombucha> I hope this works.
[15:43] <holstein> its more like, from a computer science kind of stand point
[15:44] <holstein> dont learn to use windows
[15:44] <holstein> or linux, or OSX
[15:44] <holstein> just learn to use computers
[15:44] <soadkombucha> Yeah...
[15:44] <holstein> and what all that entails
[15:44] <soadkombucha> Your only difference with Windows and Linux will be a file system structure
[15:44] <soadkombucha> Well the big one
[15:44] <grover_78> makes sense holstein.
[15:44] <soadkombucha> That, for me, was the hardest part.
[15:44] <soadkombucha> Getting used to NOT having drive letters.
[15:45] <MrChrisDruif> The difference lies in the design of the kernel
[15:45] <grover_78> yeah I already came accross that one. REALLY threw me off for a bit
[15:45] <holstein> like, learning specific programs too
[15:45] <holstein> dont learn how microsoft office works
[15:45] <soadkombucha> Learn how a word processor works.
[15:45] <MrChrisDruif> Linux is monolithic kernel (everything bunched with the kernel)
[15:45] <holstein> learn how to create what you need to create
[15:45] <holstein> in the most general sense
[15:45] <grover_78> so all this is command prompt based...
[15:45] <holstein> then, you can just get the job done
[15:46] <soadkombucha> grover_78, everything in Linux is not CLI based.
[15:46] <holstein> grover_78: not necessarily
[15:46] <soadkombucha> Most everything in Linux can be DONE CLI, but there are GUI frontends for a lot of it.
[15:46] <holstein> you can get into the CLI if you want
[15:46]  * holstein gotta run... bbl
[15:46] <MrChrisDruif> Microsoft has a hybrid kernel
[15:47] <MrChrisDruif> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)
[15:47] <soadkombucha> Now they do...
[15:47] <soadkombucha> They didn't until Windows 7 if I'm thinking correctly.
[15:47] <grover_78> OK one last question.
[15:47] <grover_78> I gotta head to bed soon so I hope this is  a "simple" question LOL
[15:48] <MrChrisDruif> soadkombucha; Nope, always been that way. Why else would you need to install drivers in Windows XP etc?
[15:48] <soadkombucha> MrChrisDruif, I thought there was some big kernel change with Win7
[15:48] <soadkombucha> grover_78, what?
[15:49] <grover_78> are there any other recommended "hidden" downloads or updates I need to do to make Ubuntu as user friendly as possible?
[15:49] <grover_78> (I want to dig into this but for now go easy on the new guy lol)
[15:49] <MrChrisDruif> soadkombucha; Yes, but the main design was the same. It's still a hybrid kernel. Access to certain parts was denied etc, that was changed
[15:49] <MrChrisDruif> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:49] <soadkombucha> grover_78, the restricted extras package gets you most everything.
[15:49] <soadkombucha> MrChrisDruif, he already did that.
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> grover_78: define "user friendly", lol
[15:50] <MrChrisDruif> missed that part, and that too ::)
[15:50] <grover_78> well I just ditched WinXP last night for an adventure into linux. SO this is all VERY new to me
[15:50] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu is IMO the most new user friendly Linux distro
[15:51] <bodhi_zazen> And you can not expect to make the transition in an hour
[15:51] <bodhi_zazen> How long have you been using Windows ?
[15:51] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed...
[15:51] <grover_78> a friend of mine recommended it, so that's why I grabbed it
[15:51] <bodhi_zazen> You will need to give yourself some time to learn
[15:51] <MrChrisDruif> Don't expect Windows is the most important part I think
[15:52] <grover_78> XP? 5years or so. All computers I've used for more then 10 minutes have all been windows
[15:52] <MrChrisDruif> Things will be a little different, but mainly they are/do the same things
[15:52] <bodhi_zazen> grover_78: what version of Ubuntu ?
[15:52]  * MrChrisDruif hopes 10.10 or 10.04
[15:52] <bioterror> grover_78, enable partner repository and install propietary java
[15:52] <bodhi_zazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html
[15:52] <MrChrisDruif> Or a good working 11.04
[15:52] <grover_78> hodhi: 10:10 or whatever the latest one is off the ubuntu website
[15:52] <bodhi_zazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/index.html
[15:53] <MrChrisDruif> 11.04
[15:53] <bodhi_zazen> The links on this page are well worth your time
[15:53] <bodhi_zazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/newtoubuntu/C/index.html
[15:53] <grover_78> wow lots of stuff to read
[15:54] <bioterror> bodhi_zazen,  i disagree. nowdays moost of the gnu/linux distros just gives things served too ready
[15:54] <grover_78> that's good though... I'd rather have some sort of manual close by
[15:54] <grover_78> how do I enable partner repository?
[15:55] <grover_78> I assume I gotta do that before installing java
[15:55] <bioterror> m on phone, too complicated :D
[15:56] <bioterror> im even
[15:56] <grover_78> well I'm gonna duck outside for a smoke ... brb
[16:08] <head_victim> Anyone know the state of Bluray Playback in Ubuntu?
[16:27] <bobweaver> hi there how is every one today?
[16:31] <coalwater> any one knows how to start conky
[16:31] <holstein> coalwater: auto start?
[16:31] <holstein> i usually run it from te CLI
[16:31] <holstein> til i get it just right
[16:31] <coalwater> no, just start it with a custom theme i downloaded
[16:31] <holstein> theres a way to specify a config
[16:32] <coalwater> it runs a basic black window when i type conky in terminal, how do i start it with a customization inside .conky
[16:33] <holstein> let me install it
[16:33] <coalwater> hm ok i think i got it
[16:33] <holstein> and run conky -help
[16:33] <holstein> should say there*
[16:33] <coalwater> no need, i got it
[16:34] <holstein> cool :)
[16:34] <coalwater> it did conky  -c config_file
[16:34] <coalwater> ok, so about running it as a daemon or background process
[16:34] <holstein> YEAH
[16:34] <holstein> i remembered seeing that somewhere
[16:35] <holstein> i used to just add it to the startup
[16:35] <holstein> for whatever window manager
[16:43] <coalwater> ok thanks holstein , but for some reason super+d (show desktop) hides it too
[17:43] <soadkombucha> OK got it working...
[17:43] <soadkombucha> It's jerryrigged like none other, but it's working.
[18:03] <PhotoBackups> Hello everyone, I set up a ubuntu machine for reliable backups and came to a roadblock on something I'm interested in having my machine do for me.
[18:03] <PhotoBackups> I'm looking for an automated backup of pictures from a CF card to a directory when I plug the card in.
[18:04] <PhotoBackups> I've been looking at rsync and that seems to do the action I desire, however I cannot figure how to get it to automatically run upon a mount
[18:05] <PhotoBackups> I mean, I cannot figure out to get rsync to automatically run a sync when I mount my CF media.
[18:05] <PhotoBackups> where would I look for that? I read about setting chron jobs, but that isn't quite what I'm looking for
[18:07] <PhotoBackups> any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated
[18:08] <PhotoBackups> Am I in the wrong channel?
[18:12] <xardas008> hm
[18:12] <xardas008> not easy
[18:13] <PhotoBackups> ah, carp.
[18:14] <xardas008> the problem is, rsync must know that the device is plugged in, so you need udev to tell it to rsync, don't know if it will work without development
[18:16] <PhotoBackups> could i set a chron job to test it every x minutes?
[18:16] <PhotoBackups> cron*
[18:17] <PhotoBackups> or do you think that would not be a good idea, as it would be repeating the same rsync command too often
[18:19] <PhotoBackups> I do think that would be a poor choice, unless there was a way to get it to execute only once
[18:20] <xardas008> hm, you can try to write a script which tests if the device is available, if so you can call rsync to sync the files
[18:22] <xardas008> in /media will be a folder only then when the device is plugged in i think, and if you test if this folder exists then device is available i think
[18:22] <xardas008> you need to test that
[18:26] <PhotoBackups>  :) oh boy, off to learn scripts
[18:30] <xardas008> should be made in 3 lines i think
[18:35] <xardas008> i will test something for you PhotoBackups
[18:36] <PhotoBackups> awesome! thanks
[18:41] <xardas008> ok i have somethin which will work: http://pastebin.com/VJsUThkD
[18:43] <xardas008> the ... stand for your specific commandline arguments you have to give to rsync
[18:45] <PhotoBackups> ok, so when i make this into a script it will execute one rsync per one return of true with the$ if [ -e "/media/nameoffolder" ]
[18:45] <xardas008> yes
[18:46] <xardas008> only when the folder exists
[18:46] <PhotoBackups> alrighty, off to test, thanks!
[18:46] <xardas008> you can test that with you home folders, one which exists and one which not and instead of rsync you can call echo "Test" or something like that, to test if it does what you want
[19:01] <PhotoBackups> awesome, so I got it to work with  a echo. Ok, so the 'if' will only happen once correct? How would I have it continually test until the folder is present?
[19:03] <xardas008> with cronjob i think
[19:03] <PhotoBackups> How would I do a loop with a pause or goto line (if you cant tell the last programming I did was with dos in the 90s.
[19:03] <PhotoBackups> OOoh
[19:03] <PhotoBackups> ok
[19:03] <xardas008> i think with cronjob you can call the script every x minutes, this would do it
[19:03] <xardas008> and only if the folder exists the rsync command will be executed
[19:04] <xardas008> i would also test if the folder exists in /media when the cf card isn't plugged in, (ls -la)
[19:04] <PhotoBackups> i am concerned if the cronjob keeps executing while the rsync is executing, will it create multiple instances of rsync?
[19:05] <xardas008> this is a good point
[19:06] <xardas008> i think it will call rsync for multiple times. so a possibility would be to grep for rsync if it has a process id running
[19:11] <PhotoBackups> perhaps with nestled loops I could have it execute once, then wait many hours or days to test and execute again
[19:12] <PhotoBackups> it would not be probable that I would be putting my card in more than once a day
[19:12] <PhotoBackups> what is a good pause/wait command to use for shell
[19:14] <xardas008> you can look what google tells you with bash wait/sleep
[19:14] <PhotoBackups> ok
[19:59] <atari_314> Hello, anyone know how to bypass the /dev/sr0 no medium found error on the 11.04 live-cd?
[19:59] <bioterror> is the cd okay?
[19:59] <bioterror> how new is your computer?
[20:00] <bioterror> you could try to boot from USB stick
[20:00] <atari_314> yes, the cd is ok, md5 check. it's a macbook 3rd gen. tks to the hell beast that is EFI I can't boot from the USB :(
[20:02] <atari_314> (btw, I'm using a USB drive to boot the live)
[20:03] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook3-1/Maverick
[20:03] <bioterror> not much help, hahaha
[20:04] <atari_314> hehe, tks for the info, but since my combo-drive broke, I'm stucked with this USB-CD drive
[20:04] <atari_314> I'm prolly screwed... I guess...
[20:04] <bioterror> use OS X and install XCode + Fink or MacPorts ;)
[20:05] <KyleB_> Hi every1
[20:05] <bioterror> hi KyleB_
[20:05] <KyleB_> I'm new to Linux and I need some advice or help.
[20:06] <bioterror> !ask | KyleB_
[20:06] <ubot2> KyleB_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[20:06] <bioterror> ;))
[20:06] <atari_314> mac os x >.< trying to avoid it like the plague... but tks anyway :)
[20:06] <bioterror> atari_314, you should have purchased less premium laptop
[20:09] <KyleB_> I run a company and my employees are required to take photos of their work to document them, then they have to be uploaded onto the clients server via website. I was wondering if there is a way that I can have them upload them to a server of mine so I can double check the photos then upload them from the server to the clients server.
[20:10] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:10] <atari_314> php? some perl script maybe?
[20:10] <bioterror> easiest way could be setup apache and some sort of page with "upload file" button
[20:11] <KyleB_> I'm very new to servers and Linux. How hard is it to do?
[20:12] <coalwater> KyleB_: how are they uploaded, ftp or an upload page?
[20:14] <KyleB_> The client has a website with all of the jobs listed. We just click on the job goto add file and attach it there and put in date complete and any notes and hit submit.
[20:15] <atari_314> on the address of that website, does it end with .php or .asp?
[20:16] <KyleB_> Before or after I login?
[20:17] <atari_314> after, on the page that you select the files you want to upload
[20:17] <coalwater> it could be automated if u get someone to do a small php system with approval then a curl to do the uploading after approval
[20:18] <KyleB_> It doesn't have either.
[20:18] <coalwater> htaccess probably
[20:18] <atari_314> yup
[20:19] <KyleB_> Not sure what that means.
[20:19] <atari_314> a hidden file on the server that applies some rules like hiding the file extention
[20:19] <KyleB_> Oh OK.
[20:20] <KyleB_> So would it be hard for me to create a server for me or another person to review the photos?
[20:21] <atari_314> it's a bit hard to guess how your website works internally
[20:22] <coalwater> do u have any developers in ur company?
[20:22] <KyleB_> I just want to create a like a file server for storing the photos.
[20:23] <coalwater> the problem isnt the storage, it's the approval process
[20:23] <KyleB_> No developers.
[20:23] <atari_314> but transfering those photos to other users accounts (or folders in your server) is the problem
[20:24] <coalwater> ull just have to either do it like manually, approve then the other employee uploads after recieving ur approval
[20:24] <atari_314> works like this: user send file > server stores the file in a location. what you described would work like this: user send file > server store that file on a temp location > you check and allow it to be passed to the user final location
[20:24] <KyleB_> Is there a way to add a file server here at my office network that employees can upload files to from home?
[20:25] <coalwater> yea that's easy, ull need to keep a computer on all the time, and if u have a router or something ull need to do some port forwarding, unless the sever has an online ip
[20:25] <atari_314> you can install an Apache server (or a LAMP package) and do the network confs or use a dynamic DNS solution to point it to your computer on your office network.
[20:26] <KyleB_> Then another employee uploads them to the clients server?
[20:26] <coalwater> the whole client's server my server thing is kinda confusing, where is each server
[20:28] <KyleB_> My server is at the office. Clients server is I'm not sure but I access it thru the website they gave me.
[20:30] <coalwater> so u login on the clients one, by a user name and password then upload them correct?
[20:30] <KyleB_> Yes.
[20:30] <coalwater> and the approval part is important?
[20:32] <KyleB_> Yes because some of them don't do the work correct or they forget photos and send it to the client then I get yelled at for it.
[20:34] <KyleB_> I'd rather send them back to fix the problem then the client tell me to it's wrong and to fix it.
[20:35] <coalwater> the approval system needs a little work from a developer, unless u have someone to do it i'd say try to find another way, like they email it to u before submiting it to the clients website
[20:35] <atari_314> IMO, 2 options: 1) modify the website for that "approval step". 2) make 'em send it to you and, after checking, manually login with each user and sending for 'em. (this second option would require at least a ftp server or a php server and a log of clever scripting to make it automatic)
[20:36] <KyleB_> So it's going to be pretty hard to do it then huh.
[20:37] <coalwater> atari_314: from what i understood about what KyleB_ said, he has no access to the clients website code, he can't modify it to add an approval step there, if that's what u meant
[20:37] <KyleB_> The problem with emailing the photos is they have over 600 photos to submit. And I'm not sure how to email that many photos.
[20:39] <KyleB_> I just want them to upload them to my file server so I can manually review them. Wants I approve them me or another person can manually uplaod to the cliens.
[20:40] <coalwater> the simplest option would be an ftp server
[20:40] <coalwater> but i dont know how ud send the approval
[20:41] <KyleB_> So for me to create an ftp server for my employees to upload them to?
[20:44] <Error404NotFound> moo
[20:44] <Error404NotFoun1> wth
[20:45] <atari_314> KyleB_, what's your server OS?
[20:45] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:
[20:45] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[20:45] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you summoned me
[20:45] <Error404NotFound> ooh i did
[20:45] <Error404NotFound> any idea why my internet would just stop working in ubuntu?
[20:45] <bioterror> hardly
[20:45] <Error404NotFound> its like it dont know i have ethernet card anymore
[20:45] <bioterror> did you check your modem?
[20:46] <Error404NotFound> im on now
[20:46] <bioterror> what did ifconfig say?
[20:46] <KyleB_> I don't have anything setup yet but I did downloaded Ubuntu Server 11.04
[20:46] <Error404NotFound> on wireless in ubuntu
[20:47] <Error404NotFound> bioterror: if i look at connections bith my ethernets say disconnected
[20:47] <Error404NotFound> both*
[20:47] <Error404NotFound> i can reboot into windows and they work
[20:47] <bioterror> windows <3
[20:48] <bioterror> next time that happens, I would like to know what ifconfig says
[20:48] <Error404NotFound> next time what happens
[20:48] <bioterror> you dont have ethernet connection
[20:49] <Error404NotFound> its happening now lol
[20:49] <bioterror> okay
[20:49] <Error404NotFound> i have a usb wireless nic im using now
[20:49] <bioterror> and you still have ethernet cable connected?
[20:49] <Error404NotFound> yes
[20:50] <bioterror> what does 'ifconfig eth0'   say
[20:50] <Error404NotFound> how do i look at that
[20:51] <bioterror> open terminal
[20:51] <bioterror> and say:
[20:51] <Error404NotFound> terminal?
[20:51] <bioterror> ifconfig eth0
[20:51] <Error404NotFound> error fetching interface information: Device not found
[20:51] <bioterror> okay
[20:51] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:51] <bioterror> if you say 'dmesg'
[20:51] <Error404NotFound> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:8d:bf:16:d1
[20:51] <Error404NotFound>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[20:51] <Error404NotFound>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[20:51] <bioterror> now you see it?
[20:52] <Error404NotFound> yeah typed it wrong the first time lol
[20:52] <bioterror> :---)
[20:52] <Error404NotFound> eth1 is the same
[20:53] <bioterror>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:53] <bioterror> that kind of line interests me most
[20:54] <Error404NotFound> where you see that
[20:54] <bioterror> right under encap
[20:54] <bioterror> if you dont have?
[20:54] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:54] <bioterror> you could say
[20:54] <bioterror> sudo dhclient eth0
[20:55] <Error404NotFound> doesnt seem to be doing anything
[20:56] <bioterror> you have lights blinking in your ethernet card+
[20:56] <bioterror> (usually there's lights)
[20:56] <Error404NotFound> sure do
[20:58] <bioterror> everything is okay with your router?
[20:58] <Error404NotFound> it has to be ubuntu
[20:58] <Error404NotFound> both ports work fine in windows
[20:59] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:00] <bioterror> can you pastebin
[21:00] <bioterror> dmesg |grep eth0
[21:00] <Error404NotFound> pastebin what
[21:01] <Error404NotFound> says link down link is not ready
[21:01] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:01] <bioterror> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[21:01] <bioterror> sudo dhclient eth0
[21:02] <Error404NotFound> its just sitting at a cursor now
[21:03] <bioterror> doesnt say that it gets ip address?
[21:04] <Error404NotFound> nope
[21:04] <bioterror> it doesnt even try?
[21:05] <Error404NotFound> doesnt look like it
[21:06] <taboo> what channels should i go to to meet people
[21:06] <Error404NotFound> lol
[21:07] <Error404NotFound> different server
[21:08] <taboo> what server should i go to?
[21:08] <Error404NotFound> i only use this server and a diff one for a game
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> neither are good for meeting people
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> try going out lol
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> web sucks for meeting people
[21:10] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:  is there a way to uninstall my nic?
[21:11] <Error404NotFound> oooh distro upgrade
[21:12] <taboo> ok. im just bored can i get the server for games/
[21:12] <Error404NotFound> oh hell now 12kbps dl speed
[21:12] <Error404NotFound> lol 483 bytes!
[21:12] <Error404NotFound> about 1 day and 15 hours remaining
[21:12] <Error404NotFound> my internet owns!
[21:13] <coalwater> cool! lol not
[21:13] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:  im bout to take an axe to ubuntu
[21:13] <bioterror> hahaha
[21:13] <bioterror> dont you!
[21:13] <bioterror> we have our moments
[21:13] <bioterror> I'm wondering what could be the problem
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> is there something like device manager?
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> were i can remove?
[21:14] <taboo> game server please?
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> lol google irc servers
[21:15] <Error404NotFound> there are poop loads
[21:16] <Error404NotFound> im really starting to hate ubuntu
[21:17] <Error404NotFound> ubuntu really doesnt like my wireless nic..
[21:18] <igjohn> hello everyone , i need help with virtualization on my ubuntu dedicated server ....
[21:20] <Error404NotFound> erm
[21:20] <Error404NotFound> see ya ubuntu nerds
[21:20] <Error404NotFound> maybe in 5 years when ubuntu is stable
[21:20] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, dont be like that
[21:21] <Error404NotFound> why would i want to use an os that constantly needs to be coddled
[21:21] <Error404NotFound> this crap dont happen in windows
[21:22] <holstein> Error404NotFound: are you in the US?
[21:22] <Error404NotFound> yes
[21:22] <holstein> maybe you would be more comrotable with a traditional modle
[21:22] <holstein> model*
[21:22] <holstein> more like microsoft does
[21:22] <holstein> http://www.system76.com/
[21:22] <holstein> ^ for example
[21:22] <Error404NotFound> ?
[21:22] <holstein> OR something with ubuntu pre-loaded from HP or dell
[21:23] <holstein> somehting with really good out of the box support
[21:23] <bioterror> discar HP consumer models
[21:23] <bioterror> discard
[21:23] <bioterror> stay away from them
[21:23] <Error404NotFound> i built my computer
[21:23] <holstein> Error404NotFound: exactly
[21:24] <bioterror> I have Acer, but dont tell that to anyone!
[21:24] <holstein> and you purchased software with windows compatibilty in mind
[21:24] <holstein> which is fine*
[21:24] <Error404NotFound> my laptop is acer
[21:24] <holstein> but, if you want a nice out of the box experience
[21:24] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, my work laptop is Dell and works like a charm
[21:24] <holstein> you might want to go with vendors that support linux
[21:25] <holstein> becuase, right now, i feel like you are somehow blaming ubuntu
[21:25] <bioterror> holstein, Dell E -series or Stinkpads R- and T-series
[21:25] <holstein> which is really missing the point
[21:25] <Error404NotFound> i have natty on my laptop havnt used it much though
[21:25] <klynch> Error404NotFound, been reading I am confused is it wireless of cat5 you are trying to get working?
[21:25] <bioterror> klynch, ethernet
[21:25] <bioterror> cable connection
[21:25] <Error404NotFound> im on wireless now
[21:25] <Error404NotFound> which dont work for crap
[21:26] <Error404NotFound> but im on..
[21:26] <bioterror> holstein, I have a imagine in my mind that mobos with nforce had some problems
[21:26] <holstein> Error404NotFound: there are 2 broadcom drivers
[21:26] <holstein> have you tried both?
[21:26] <Error404NotFound> .no
[21:26] <klynch> your acer have atheros of broadcom?
[21:26]  * holstein assumes you filed a bug report?
[21:26] <holstein> Error404NotFound: ^ ?
[21:26] <Error404NotFound> negative
[21:26] <bioterror> *image
[21:27] <holstein> Error404NotFound: OK, so you have lots of options
[21:27] <holstein> let us know if we can help with one :)
[21:27] <Error404NotFound> i wouldnt know lol
[21:27] <Error404NotFound> i just want the crap to work
[21:27] <holstein> right, and i suggested maybe some more appropriate hardware
[21:28] <holstein> that would 'just work'
[21:28] <klynch> what model of laptop.
[21:28] <Error404NotFound> im on a desktop
[21:28] <holstein> however, you can probably get your hardware working
[21:28] <klynch> I have an acer and no problems.
[21:28] <Error404NotFound> so im supposed to throw my brand new mobo out the window?
[21:28] <holstein> Error404NotFound: ?
[21:28] <holstein> i missed that?
[21:28] <holstein> was that a suggestion?
[21:28] <Error404NotFound> you said new hardware
[21:28] <klynch> Error404NotFound, oh the problem is on desktop
[21:29] <holstein> i suggested when/if you get hardware in the future
[21:29] <holstein> you can plan for linux support
[21:29] <holstein> instead of windows support
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> all my stuff is new
[21:29] <holstein> which is what you did with that build
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> i wont be buying a new pc
[21:29] <holstein> OK
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> for a long time
[21:29] <bioterror> not fair
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> if ever
[21:29] <holstein> so, whats the problem?
[21:29] <holstein> the wifi?
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> whats not fair
[21:29] <holstein> on the desktop?
[21:30] <bioterror> i have lame Athlon X2 and they sell now for the same price Phenom II X6
[21:30]  * bioterror goes to cut wrists
[21:30] <Error404NotFound> main oproblem is ethernet
[21:30] <holstein> bioterror: :/
[21:30] <Error404NotFound> doesnt work
[21:30] <holstein> Error404NotFound: open a terminal
[21:30] <holstein> and run lspci
[21:30] <holstein> see if you see it listed there
[21:30] <Error404NotFound> i have a quad core 2.5
[21:30] <holstein> *use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ if you want to paste that
[21:31] <holstein> Error404NotFound: do you see it?
[21:31] <Error404NotFound> just type ls pci?
[21:31] <holstein> in lspci?
[21:31] <holstein> Error404NotFound: no
[21:31] <holstein> lspci
[21:31] <holstein> ls pci = not it
[21:31] <holstein> lspci = yes :)
[21:31] <Error404NotFound> says alot of crap
[21:31] <Error404NotFound> what am i looking for
[21:31] <holstein> Error404NotFound: the ethernet device
[21:32] <holstein> i cant tell you what your hardware will look like there
[21:32] <holstein> just read them
[21:32] <holstein> and try and figure it out
[21:32] <holstein> OR
[21:32] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:32] <holstein> paste the output there
[21:32] <Error404NotFound> i see the 2 ports in this
[21:32] <holstein> ports?
[21:33] <Error404NotFound> sepperate controller for ea port
[21:33] <holstein> all i want to see is the ethernet device line
[21:33] <bioterror> lspci |grep Ether
[21:33] <Error404NotFound>  Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
[21:33] <holstein> bioterror: thanks
[21:33] <holstein> i need to remember thatU
[21:34] <holstein> Error404NotFound: just so you know, its not rocket science
[21:34] <holstein> im literally opening a google search and searching 'ubuntu RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)'
[21:34] <holstein> and im going to see what i find
[21:35] <Error404NotFound> i refuse to use google
[21:36] <klynch> Error404NotFound, why?
[21:36] <Error404NotFound> it saves all your information including all searches and ip
[21:36] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you can replace 'google' with whatever you choose
[21:36] <Error404NotFound> forever
[21:36] <holstein> anyways
[21:36] <bioterror> bing is my choice
[21:36] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/331699
[21:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 331699 in linux "Realtek RTL8111/8169 LAN (r8169) falls back from Gigabit to 100Mb/s after waking up from Suspend(S3)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:36] <bioterror> man I love it
[21:36] <holstein> ^ that is a bug related to your hardware
[21:36] <holstein> which is odd
[21:36] <Error404NotFound> i know im just saying
[21:36] <holstein> makes me think it should 'just work'
[21:36] <holstein> and be having that issue
[21:37] <Error404NotFound> it always has worked
[21:37] <Error404NotFound> started up today and it didnt
[21:37] <holstein> Error404NotFound: OK
[21:37] <holstein> did you update?
[21:37] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:  i use bing aswell
[21:37] <holstein> Error404NotFound: did you update?
[21:37] <Error404NotFound> i cant
[21:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: did you update prior to this error?
[21:38] <Error404NotFound> this wireless crap dont work right either
[21:38] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, I dont as I cant find even a rat's arse with that search engine
[21:38] <holstein> like yesterday*
[21:38] <Error404NotFound> i tried update and it said 1 day 15 hours
[21:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: when was the last time you successfully updated?
[21:38] <holstein> approximately*
[21:38] <Error404NotFound> few days ago
[21:38] <holstein> OK
[21:38] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, ecosia uses bing, but you need to click ad's to make world a better place :(
[21:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: when rebooting
[21:38] <holstein> hit shift
[21:38] <bioterror> and I'm not clicking any ads
[21:39] <holstein> and try booting an older kernel
[21:39] <holstein> see if your hardware works like it used to
[21:39] <holstein> then, we will know generally what the issue is
[21:39] <Error404NotFound> hammer time
[21:40] <klynch> Error404NotFound, remembering you asking if you could uninstall the driver/module. Is that what you want to do
[21:40] <bioterror> no
[21:40] <bioterror> we are not using windows ;)
[21:41] <klynch> give him modconf let him remove whatever he wants. Doesn't seem to want the help regardless
[21:41] <bioterror> haha
[21:41] <bioterror> he's just pissed off little
[21:41] <bioterror> some people gets easily frustrated by computers
[21:41] <bioterror> that's just lack of some skills and nerves combined together
[21:42] <bioterror> there was actually a research in sweden how men and women solves computer problems
[21:42] <klynch> sounds interesting.
[21:47] <Error404NotFound> well that did nothing
[21:47] <holstein> Error404NotFound: if you can
[21:47] <holstein> say what it did
[21:48] <holstein> like, it booted up and the network still acts like...
[21:48] <Error404NotFound> if i hit shift at any point during the boot it reset my computer
[21:48] <holstein> *for example
[21:48] <holstein> OK
[21:48] <holstein> so, you're not able to get grub to show you the kernels
[21:48] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you dont get http://buzzcodington.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/grub.jpg screen like that on boot?
[21:49] <Error404NotFound> yeah
[21:50] <bioterror> you get?
[21:51] <holstein> Error404NotFound: for example, 'no i dont get that screen bioterror'
[21:51] <holstein> thats clear^
[21:53] <Error404NotFound> yes i get grub
[21:53] <bioterror> do you have more than one kernel?
[21:53] <Error404NotFound> generic and recovery
[21:53] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:53] <JackyAlcine> What's up?
[21:54] <bioterror> if you say in terminal "uname -a"
[21:54] <bioterror> can you paste that
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:55] <bioterror> do you have smaller number than 2.6.38-8 in that list?
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> nope
[21:57] <bioterror> damn
[22:01] <bioterror> I dunno if one should be installed
[22:41] <rror404NotFound> bioterror:
[22:41] <bioterror> yes
[22:41] <Error404NotFound> how do i get rid of grub
[22:41] <bioterror> why you want to get rid of grub?
[22:41] <Error404NotFound> dont need it
[22:42] <Error404NotFound> when i boot it says grub recovery or some crap
[22:42] <bioterror> you removed ubuntu partition?
[22:42] <Error404NotFound> yes
[22:42] <atari_314> lol
[22:42] <bioterror> you have to use windows cd
[22:42] <coalwater> if i push a new rev in launchpad and it needs a detailed explaination, where can i write such explaination in launchpad
[22:43] <Error404NotFound> what do i do with windows cd
[22:43] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, sorry, linux channel :D
[22:43] <Error404NotFound> lol
[22:43] <bioterror> you fix your MBR, ofcourse
[22:43] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, from a dis c vista and beyond bootrec.exe /fixmbr  XP /fixmbr
[22:44] <coalwater> there's lilo or something for fixing windows boot loader using linux, if there's internet
[22:44] <nit-wit> cli of course
[22:44] <bioterror> google is full of guides how to do it
[22:44] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, do you need a vista or W7 recovery disk?
[22:44] <bioterror> Windows 2000
[22:45] <nit-wit> thats is the ms OS?
[22:45] <klynch> Error404NotFound, did you reinstall another OS already?
[22:45] <Error404NotFound> i just gave space back to windows
[22:45] <Error404NotFound> now it wont load
[22:46] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, that is a one command fix if it is good shape?
[22:46] <Error404NotFound> ?
[22:46] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, which MS release
[22:47] <Error404NotFound> 7
[22:47] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, boot the recovery disc go to the command line enter... bootrec.exe /fixmbr
[22:48] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, do you need a recovery disc?
[22:48] <nit-wit> install disc works as well
[22:49]  * holstein reminds Error404NotFound that there is a ##windows channel
[22:49] <Error404NotFound> lol
[22:50] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, you have been given the answer in full faith that you will act accordingly, try it.;)
[22:51] <Error404NotFound> windows cd just wants to reinstall
[22:51] <holstein> microsoft offers support*
[22:52] <bioterror> holstein, isnt that support what they pay for?
[22:52] <holstein> thats what i would think
[22:52] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, if you need a visual to the cli.http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/20864-mbr-restore-windows-7-master-boot-record.html
[22:52] <holstein> might have to go through the vendor
[22:53] <Error404NotFound> i am the vendor
[22:53] <holstein> oh, thats right
[22:53] <holstein> so, you go right to microsoft then
[22:54] <nit-wit> holstein, always so pragmatic.;) and thats a good thing.
[22:54] <Error404NotFound> yay fixed
[22:54] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, with the command correct?
[22:55] <Error404NotFound> yes
[22:55] <bioterror> see you in 5 years, Error404NotFound
[22:55] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, so does this release us from your normal rhetoric you were helped by a full open source user to fix your MS setup.
[22:56] <nit-wit> ;)
[22:56] <Error404NotFound> nein
[22:56] <Error404NotFound> was only broken because of ubuntu
[22:56] <nit-wit> argh you will walk the plank laddy.;)
[22:56] <bioterror> nit-wit, I help lots of people every day with windows problems and I'm full GNU/Linux ;)
[22:57] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, was broke I suspect due to a noob you could not even fix the MS LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[22:57] <Error404NotFound> nah
[22:57] <Error404NotFound> ubuntu just fails
[22:57] <bioterror> ubuntu fails as much as the person between chair and monitor
[22:58] <holstein> your hardware vendors fail to support linux*
[22:58] <Error404NotFound> linux just fails to be a good os
[22:58] <bioterror> :D
[22:58] <bioterror> Linux is just kernel
[22:59] <holstein> good = opinion
[22:59] <holstein> if windows works for you
[22:59] <holstein> thats fine
[23:00] <Error404NotFound> windows works for everyone
[23:00] <Error404NotFound> thats why all computers ship with it
[23:00] <holstein> right
[23:00] <holstein> but, it didnt work well for my needs
[23:01] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml read that when you have time
[23:02] <Captainkrtek> hello
[23:02] <Error404NotFound> blah
[23:02] <Error404NotFound> sick of reading that after 1 sentence
[23:02] <nit-wit> holstein, I hear the refrains of Botty's thumb in the background time to connect with the mother ship see you all.;)
[23:03] <nit-wit> *Bootsy's
[23:03] <holstein> nit-wit: laterx o/
[23:06] <UbuntuBlowsAss> <~
[23:06] <UbuntuBlowsAss> lol
[23:06] <Captainkrtek> UbuntuBlowsAss, watch your language
[23:06] <bioterror> at the last
[23:07] <Captainkrtek> hello escott
[23:07] <Captainkrtek> heh hello bioterror
[23:07] <bioterror> havent seen that kind of attiture for a while
[23:07] <Captainkrtek> same here..
[23:07] <bioterror> just becouse you cant write anything correct on the first time just doesnt make OS to suck
[23:07] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[23:08] <bioterror> and I even tried to civilizise him with smart text about computers ;)
[23:09] <Captainkrtek> same here yesterday
[23:09] <bioterror> oh well, I dont remember him any more tomorrow when I wakeup
[23:17] <UbuntuBlowsAss> is there like a linux compatibility list for laptops
[23:17] <UbuntuBlowsAss> wth
[23:18] <bioterror> what comes to your recent nick, I would like to ask why would we want to tell these things to you
[23:18] <Error404NotFound> cuz you want me to think ubuntu blows less ass
[23:20] <bioterror> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/
[23:21] <Error404NotFound> yay my laptop is not on there