[19:59] <j1mc_> hi all
[20:00] <chewit> hi
[20:00]  * charlie-tca waves
[20:00] <j1mc_> i'm on a bit of a laggy connection - hope i stay with things.
[20:02] <knome> hello.
[20:03] <j1mc_> hi knome & JPohlmann
[20:03] <JPohlmann> Hey
[20:03] <knome> i'm also connecting (still) through my mobile phone
[20:03] <cody-somerville> Hey! :)
[20:03] <titan_ark_> hello :)
[20:03] <j1mc_> hi cody-somerville
[20:05] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, hey
[20:05] <knome> so are we ready to start or are we waiting for somebody to arrive?
[20:05] <cody-somerville> Who is all here? :)
[20:06]  * j1mc_ waves
[20:06]  * charlie-tca nods
[20:06]  * knome farts
[20:06]  * JPohlmann is kinda here
[20:07] <knome> ok, shall we start?
[20:07] <j1mc_> sure
[20:08] <chewit> it is 8mins in, so everyone wanting to be here is here
[20:08] <ScottK> Which meeting is this?
[20:08] <j1mc_> i'm a bit out of it today, and we don't have an agenda... if anyone would like to go first, please go ahead.
[20:08] <knome> ScottK, xubuntu developer
[20:08] <j1mc_> ScottK: xubuntu meeting
[20:09] <cody-somerville> Alrighty
[20:09] <cody-somerville> There are a few things I'd like to discuss today
[20:09]  * ScottK will just toss in that the kernels on the ports archs (sparc, powerpc, ia64, and hppa) recently got fixed, so if you've got broken stuff you want to retry, now's a good time.
[20:09] <charlie-tca> thanks, ScottK
[20:10] <cody-somerville> ScottK, thanks :)
[20:10] <cody-somerville> 1. Team Reports
[20:10] <cody-somerville> OH wait
[20:10] <cody-somerville> Lets see if we can use mootboot.
[20:10] <cody-somerville> #STARTMEETING
[20:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:10. The chair is cody-somerville.
[20:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:10] <mr_pouit> o/
[20:10] <j1mc_> mr_pouit: yeay - glad you're here.
[20:11] <knome> aye.
[20:11] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Team Report
[20:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Report
[20:11] <cody-somerville> The team report is a great way to help let the rest of the community know what we're up to.
[20:11] <cody-somerville> Team leads: Please ensure you do your part to update it
[20:11] <cody-somerville> It is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:12] <knome> Question: If the Team has been inactive, should I make a note on that?
[20:12] <cody-somerville> Yes, please.
[20:12] <knome> Ok.
[20:12] <cody-somerville> I'm wondering, is anyone willing to take responsibility for the report?
[20:12] <knome> Question: What if I am not allowed to edit the team report page?
[20:12] <cody-somerville> ie. Poking people to update it, submitting it monthly, etc.
[20:12] <cody-somerville> knome, You just need to login to edit it
[20:13] <knome> ah! true. sorry. :)
[20:13]  * charlie-tca raises hand s-l-o-w-l-y
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I'll take it
[20:13] <knome> I think this is something that one person should not take responsility.
[20:14]  * j1mc_ nods - we need each team lead to be responsible to update it.
[20:14] <cody-somerville> I agree
[20:14] <cody-somerville> However, it would be nice if we could have someone volunteer to remind folks :)
[20:14] <charlie-tca> but don't we need a leader to submit it to Ubuntu and remind people?
[20:15] <j1mc> we're adults - we should put it in our calendars.  :)
[20:15] <knome> I think the team reporting system is a bit confusing, for me at least.
[20:15] <knome> Splitting it to separate parts is fine, but also quite restrictive.
[20:15] <j1mc> when do we need to have the team reports updated every month?
[20:15] <cody-somerville> 22nd
[20:16] <cody-somerville> j1mc, I think you make a good point.
[20:16] <knome> If I have tried to get new contributors to Xubuntu, is it part of Marketing, Community or what ever team the people decide to join or not to join?
[20:17] <cody-somerville> knome, It would be a part of Marketing
[20:17] <cody-somerville> knome, However, "community" is the catch-all category IMHO.
[20:17] <cody-somerville> So if you don't think something fits somewhere, slot it into community
[20:18] <cody-somerville> So, lets all take responsibility for updating it.
[20:18] <knome> yes.
[20:18] <cody-somerville> (instead of relying on someone to remind us)
[20:18] <knome> can we add notifications on *bot ?
[20:18] <j1mc> sounds good - i've just added it to my calendar
[20:18] <j1mc> brb
[20:18] <cody-somerville> The calendar idea also sounds like a great one.
[20:19] <cody-somerville> I'm going to create two events on the calendar (repeating monthly) and invite the team leads. It'll be a reminder to update the team report and the deadline.
[20:19] <knome> yes. sounds great. where is the calendar? :P
[20:20]  * charlie-tca wondering that too
[20:20] <cody-somerville> Thats another great idea. We should create a team calendar!
[20:20] <knome> under xubuntu.org maybe?
[20:20] <knome> i can take responsibility for that.
[20:20] <cody-somerville> knome, I was thinking a Google Calendar
[20:20] <JPohlmann> Liaison is not a team lead position, is it?
[20:21] <knome> google calendar would then be just-an-another-site-you-have-to-visit (tm)
[20:21] <cody-somerville> knome, I was thinking the same thing about adding a calendar to xubuntu
[20:21] <cody-somerville> However, the nice thing about google calendar is that you can sync it with what ever you want
[20:21] <knome> does ubuntu have a calendar?
[20:21] <cody-somerville> A google calendar, yes.
[20:22] <knome> can we just add our things there?
[20:22] <knome> or are team reports already there?
[20:22] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, A leadership position but not a team lead position (unless you wanted to create an army of liaison)
[20:22] <j1mc> team calendar sounds fine w/ me.  :)
[20:22] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Not really ;)
[20:22] <cody-somerville> knome, The Ubuntu calendar is more for events and less for this sort of coordination. However, we do use it internally
[20:23] <knome> hmmh.
[20:24] <knome> i think a xubuntu calendar would be useless if we only have team reports and maybe feature freezes there.
[20:25] <knome> nobody would visit it anyway if there's only the things they know.
[20:25] <knome> maybe by the spec (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Jaunty/GrowXubuntuCommunity) try to communicate more.
[20:26] <knome> #
[20:26] <knome> Regular IRC & Skype Meetings
[20:26] <knome> skype++
[20:26] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to investigate the use of a team calendar
[20:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to investigate the use of a team calendar
[20:26] <cody-somerville> Okay, lets move on.
[20:26] <knome> right.
[20:27] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Review roadmap
[20:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review roadmap
[20:27] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[20:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[20:27] <cody-somerville> It looks like the roadmap page needs updating.
[20:27] <knome> yes,
[20:27] <knome> i will do it live.
[20:28] <cody-somerville> However, I'm happy to announce that thanks to a number of folks such as mr_pouit, jeromeg, NCommander, and the debian xfce team... we now have xfce 4.6 uploaded to the archive.
[20:28] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, correct? :)
[20:28] <cody-somerville> (4.6 Release Candidate 1 that is)
[20:28] <mr_pouit> yes ^^
[20:28] <j1mc> :)  thanks, all.
[20:29] <knome> JPohlmann, what about thunar improvements?
[20:29] <cody-somerville> We're still smoothing out the rough edges but I'm nor running jaunty and am very happy with a number of new features and improvements.
[20:29]  * JPohlmann blushes
[20:29] <cody-somerville> err..
[20:30] <knome> ok, so the status "Starting to work on." is accurate.
[20:30] <cody-somerville> *I'm now running
[20:30] <knome> to where?
[20:30] <JPohlmann> knome: There are only few new features in Thunar. We mostly fixed bugs.
[20:30] <knome> what about user switcher applet?
[20:30] <cody-somerville> Also, I'm happy to note that Jeromeg's xfswitch-plugin has been uploaded to the archive. xfswitch is a session switcher. Although not as featured as gnome's version, it does do the job and jeromeg is going to help add some extra features before jaunty releases.
[20:31] <knome> \o/
[20:31] <JPohlmann> Benedikt, the original author has been inactive for a while, so there wasn't much we could do. Thunar will receive a major overhaul (in form of GIO/GVfs support) in the next months.
[20:31] <cody-somerville> w00t
[20:31] <cody-somerville> So, back to "Thunar Improvements", thats actually Xubuntu specific.
[20:31] <j1mc> mr_pouit: regarding the xfce-menu - the menu entries that are included in Applications > Settings > ...  (e.g., Appearance)... will we be able to hide the menu entries that are also included in the Xfce4 Settings Manager?
[20:31] <knome> JPohlmann, will it make it to jaunty?
[20:32] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, do you think you could spare a half hour some day to help me look over the samba hack? :)
[20:32] <j1mc> mr_pouit: i'm not sure if that sentence made sense.
[20:32] <mr_pouit> j1mc: as we did with the previous dialog?
[20:32] <JPohlmann> knome: Nope. I'll work on that the next 3+ months as a student thesis. I'll take my time ;)
[20:32] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Does it not work anymore?
[20:32] <knome> JPohlmann, yeah, no problem. i'll just update the roadmap page.
[20:33] <j1mc> mr_pouit: yes, they appear in the settings manager, and they also appear as a separate menu item - can we hide the menu item like we did before?
[20:33] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, I haven't had a chance to look at it at all yet nor am I very good with autoconf stuff :)
[20:33] <knome> cody-somerville, does "uploaded to the archive" mean the objectives ar fulfilled?
[20:33] <cody-somerville> knome, We didn't really write a spec so its difficult to say. I'd say its good progress
[20:33] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Ok. Sure, I can help you with that.
[20:33] <cody-somerville> j1mc, mr_pouit: I think it looks better when items in the menu.
[20:34] <knome> cody-somerville, ok. i'll make a new color scheme for the objective listing.
[20:34] <cody-somerville> Next, "Refresh distro artwork"
[20:34] <cody-somerville> knome has volunteered to do the distro artwork this release
[20:34] <cody-somerville> jmakz is unfortunately too busy this cycle to be able to help :(
[20:34] <knome> [TOPIC] Refresh distro artwork
[20:34] <mr_pouit> +1, some (French) users complained that they were missing ;]
[20:34] <j1mc> it seems weird to have them in two places, though.
[20:35] <cody-somerville> knome, Any updates on the artwork?
[20:35] <knome> cody-somerville, not yet. next week.
[20:35] <cody-somerville> Finally, on the topic of the roadmap, Id like to look at our growing the xubuntu community spec unless someone has anything else to say about the other objectives.
[20:35] <charlie-tca> j1mc: you get used to it after a little bit
[20:37] <j1mc> ok - i can understand how people can get used to it, but you can say that about the other approach, too, and i think it makes more sense to have settings in one place.
[20:37] <j1mc> otherwise, why even include the settings manager?
[20:37] <knome> cody-somerville, go on.
[20:37] <cody-somerville> The specification is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Jaunty/GrowXubuntuCommunity
[20:38]  * j1mc will bring up the other topic later - sorry all.
[20:38] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap - updated.
[20:38] <cody-somerville> I think this specification is an important one.
[20:39] <knome> yes.
[20:39] <chewit> knome, the xfce 4.6 milestones are not correct
[20:39] <knome> chewit, ?
[20:39] <chewit> on the roadmap
[20:39] <JPohlmann> BTW, I could imagine another point in that specification: Be present at user and developer oriented conferences like FOSDEM. There were a lot of distributions present with a booth this year, but no Ubuntu and no Xubuntu.
[20:40] <knome> JPohlmann, it would be interesting to have xubuntu there, yes.
[20:40] <knome> chewit, yes. can you tell me what is wrong?
[20:41] <cody-somerville> All of us are here, contributing to Xubuntu. People come and go and in a years time some of us will still be here, some of us will have moved on, and some of us will be new faces. So, I'd like to ensure we invest in recruiting new contributors and retaining existing ones.
[20:41] <Myrtti> JPohlmann: LIES
[20:41] <Myrtti> JPohlmann: there was a ubuntu desk
[20:41] <JPohlmann> Really? Must have missed that.
[20:41] <chewit> the dates are incorrect. for example. the release date on the list says it is in september 2008
[20:41] <Myrtti> it was next to the gnome desk
[20:41] <knome> a-ha on the spec page.
[20:41] <JPohlmann> Fedora and CentOS were quite well represented IMHO but I couldn't spot the ubuntu logo anywhere
[20:41] <knome> chewit, right?
[20:42] <knome> chewit, ah, there. got it. yes.
[20:43] <knome> JPohlmann, could you update the milestones section of the roadmap page on the wiki?
[20:43] <chewit> though, not sure what the current release date is. It was meant to be the 6 Feb 09, but thats been & gone
[20:43] <cody-somerville> Lets review the different items we brainstormed up
[20:43] <cody-somerville> [IDEA] Improving the content on the "Get Involved" pages.
[20:43] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Improving the content on the "Get Involved" pages.
[20:43] <cody-somerville> We said:
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Ensure that there is contact information.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Minimize the amount of information presented to the user at once.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Point users at low hanging fruit.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # We want users to feel like they're apart of the team; link to 5-a-day.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> # Improve more comprehensive documentation on the wiki.
[20:44] <cody-somerville> knome, How is this coming along?
[20:45] <JPohlmann> knome: You mean the Xfce wiki?
[20:45] <knome> JPohlmann, ubuntu wiki
[20:45] <knome> JPohlmann, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
[20:45] <knome> cody-somerville, not really at all.
[20:45] <JPohlmann> It's kinda difficult. We don't have a planned release date at the moment :-/
[20:45] <knome> cody-somerville, i need the help of documentation team.
[20:46] <knome> i would totally do taht by myself if i had the time. i hope that i'll have enough time to work on everything xubuntu the next week.
[20:46] <j1mc> knome: what do you need help with?
[20:46] <j1mc> re: documentation team
[20:46] <knome> j1mc, improving the content on the "get involved" pages
[20:47] <j1mc> knome: i could probably hash things out with you.
[20:47] <knome> j1mc, or i don't know whether it should be the doc team.
[20:47] <cody-somerville> What do you think about setting something up like the MOTU reception. ie. Volunteers who agree to help get new contributors contributing?
[20:47] <j1mc> well, it's the xubuntu portion of the wiki, so we should really take responsibility for it.
[20:47] <j1mc> i'm glad to help,though
[20:47] <knome> j1mc, and http://xubuntu.org/contribute
[20:48] <knome> j1mc, the wiki should include *all* the information available
[20:48] <knome> j1mc, the website only main points.
[20:48] <j1mc> knome: so you want to merge the info from the website section there into the wiki?
[20:48] <knome> j1mc, nope, because the website info is not up-to-date
[20:49] <knome> j1mc, we need to review that.
[20:49] <knome> j1mc, and improve.
[20:49] <j1mc> knome: ok - i'll take a look
[20:49] <j1mc> ok
[20:49]  * j1mc will help with that
[20:49] <knome> the first item is critical, i think: # Ensure that there is contact information.
[20:50]  * j1mc nods
[20:50] <knome> cody-somerville, good idea. though that means we have to ave resources for that.
[20:50] <knome> co	even if the people won't start conrtributing after the wha
[20:50] <knome> *wha=hard work we put into that
[20:50] <knome> i'm sorry about this crap, my connection is dying.
[20:51] <cody-somerville> Who wants to volunteer to take that up and run with it?
[20:51] <cody-somerville> I'm happy to volunteer to be a "mentor" or what ever you want to call it
[20:51] <knome> i think that is something which should be done by the team leads.
[20:51] <j1mc> cody-somerville: could you clarify "that"?  :)
[20:52] <knome> if a user wants to contribute to marketing, i'm more than willing to help.
[20:52] <knome> but if he wants to hack xubuntu's code, i just can't help.
[20:52] <knome> i just can point them to saying hello to you (cody-somerville) and maybe JPohlmann or charlie-tca who know about that more.
[20:53] <j1mc> i already said that i'd help update the getting involved portion of the wiki.
[20:53] <knome> j1mc, and the website? :]
[20:53] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to write up e-mail to xubuntu-dev ML about reception idea.
[20:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to write up e-mail to xubuntu-dev ML about reception idea.
[20:53] <cody-somerville> Get more contributors blogging & talking about Xubuntu
[20:53] <cody-somerville> We said:
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Get current contributors to apply for Ubuntu membership so that their blog posts are syndicated to planet.ubuntu.com
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Post/blog about the monthly team report.
[20:53] <cody-somerville> #
[20:53] <cody-somerville> Get people contributing to the team reports; see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Encourage current contributors to help out more on the #xubuntu support channel.
[20:53] <cody-somerville> # Start an official Xubuntu blog?
[20:54] <cody-somerville> # Micro-blogging
[20:54] <cody-somerville> # Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[20:54] <cody-somerville> Who here is a Ubuntu member?
[20:54]  * cody-somerville raises his hand.
[20:54]  * j1mc
[20:54]  * knome is applying currently
[20:54] <JPohlmann> It's a bit of a twist. I mean, with <10 people you just don't have the resources to make that all happen. But you need it to reach the point where you have >10 people helping out.
[20:54]  * charlie-tca didn't think I did enough to apply
[20:54] <j1mc> knome: yes, i'll help with website content if you can upload/format it
[20:55] <knome> JPohlmann, true. but if we are mentoring, we might get new contriubtors who could mentor themselves.
[20:55] <knome> j1mc, sure.
[20:55] <j1mc> there is already a xubuntu group on identi.ca - http://identi.ca/group/xubuntu
[20:55] <knome> JPohlmann, i mean, we lack this mentoring tradition.
[20:55] <knome> who is on facebook?
[20:56]  * j1mc
[20:56]  * JPohlmann
[20:56] <knome> j1mc, JPohlmann: do you have a xubuntu group?
[20:57] <j1mc> not on facebook, i don't think
[20:57] <knome> j1mc, create one and write a mail to the ML
[20:57] <j1mc> ok
[20:57] <cody-somerville> Facebook might be a little personal
[20:57] <knome> (users and devel)
[20:57] <knome> cody-somerville, why?
[20:58] <knome> cody-somerville, it is still something that unites people and it's big atm.
[20:58] <cody-somerville> Sure,
[20:58] <cody-somerville> just saying some people might find it a little too personal
[20:58] <j1mc> joining a group doesn't permit other people to see your entries.
[20:58] <knome> then they won't join the group.
[20:59] <knome> anyway, the point is to make people feel like they belong to this something called "the xubuntu community"
[20:59] <knome> if they don't want to feel it, ok, then they won't.
[20:59] <knome> and they won't join the group.
[20:59] <knome> it's alower barrier to join the facebook group than to join #xubuntu on freenode and subscribe to the mailing list.
[21:00] <knome> joining to a facebook group doesn't oblige you to anything.
[21:00] <JPohlmann> Groups on Facebook are more a showing-off-what-you-like kind of thing. I don't think it's worth it. At least there are more important things.
[21:00] <knome> JPohlmann, it's not a big thing to do, but it might grow up into something.
[21:00] <knome> JPohlmann, isn't xubuntu something you'd like to show off that you like?
[21:01] <knome> JPohlmann, (if, in the first place, you were using it?)
[21:01] <JPohlmann> Well, maybe. But Facebook is not part of the Ubuntu community infrastructure so ... I'm not sure.
[21:01] <knome> does it matter? neither is identi.ca
[21:02] <knome> i don't know what the facebook groups are like but i expect you can have some content there.
[21:02] <knome> just tell what xubuntu is, how to get it and how to contribute
[21:02] <Nafallo> hahaha
[21:03] <knome> like "hey, join this group if you like xubuntu" and once you're in "hey, who don't you join our community at thebiggestubuntucommunitysiteeverakaubuntu.com"
[21:03] <knome> Nafallo, yes?
[21:03] <JPohlmann> Right. Still, if it's about attracting new contributors Facebook is almost irrelevant.
[21:03] <knome> JPohlmann, it's not attracting new *contributors*
[21:03] <Nafallo> knome: just found it funny that the community would host facebook :-)
[21:03] <knome> JPohlmann, community is not only contributors.
[21:03] <Nafallo> having seen their kit and all... ;-)
[21:03] <knome> JPohlmann, community is not only developers.
[21:04] <knome> JPohlmann, community is people who use xubuntu.
[21:04] <JPohlmann> Hmm. I thought we were talking about new contributors initally.
[21:04] <knome> JPohlmann, yes, but you never know what a use can grow to, right?
[21:05] <knome> JPohlmann, you remember me popping in at #xubuntu-devel? i had quit amarok and joined the channel and asked whether i could do something for xubuntu, because i like it. like a week or two after we had a new website.
[21:05] <cody-somerville> I'm in favour of doing anything that doesn't drain our resources that might possible create a feeling of community and attract new contributors.
[21:05] <cody-somerville> *possibly
[21:05] <cody-somerville> So, lets move on
[21:05] <knome> yes.
[21:06] <knome> maybe a few words about the other items:
[21:06] <cody-somerville> Lets all agree to make an active effort to blog, micro-blog, etc. etc., about Xubuntu
[21:06] <knome> i've done efforts to get my new personal website up.
[21:06] <JPohlmann> Yeah, that's right. It's true that facebook groups don't really cause any maintainance overhead. So if someone wants to go for it I'd be happy to join the group ;)
[21:06] <knome> once i do, i'll start writing about xubuntu
[21:06] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:06] <cody-somerville> awesome
[21:06] <knome> j1mc, ?
[21:06] <j1mc> knome: yes?  :)
[21:07]  * charlie-tca nods; he mentions xubuntu on his website
[21:07] <knome> j1mc, maybe you are willing to create the xubuntu facebook group and send the mail as i asked, plase? :]
[21:07] <j1mc> i'll get the fbook group set up
[21:07] <j1mc> sure
[21:07] <knome> i've also written about xubuntu in finnish on my personal blog.
[21:08] <knome> and i've felt a need to write about it more and in english.
[21:09] <knome> anyway, let's go on.
[21:11] <cody-somerville> What do folks think about a Xubuntu blog?
[21:11] <knome> isn't vinnl kind of writing one already?
[21:12] <knome> or do you mean an aggreated blog from all of our entries?
[21:12] <knome> keeping strictly xubuntu-only would make sense, but there is not a lot of subjects we can write about.
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Thats not true
[21:13] <cody-somerville> There is lots of Xubuntu stuff to write about
[21:13] <cody-somerville> I'm thinking of an official Xubuntu blog
[21:13] <knome> then i would not be the correct person to write that.
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Where we'd post official xubuntu team blog entries.
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Sort of like what the Server and launchpad team do
[21:13] <knome> cody-somerville, can it be aggregated, please? :]
[21:14] <j1mc_> cody-somerville: kind of like the server team, right?
[21:14] <j1mc_> right
[21:14] <cody-somerville> yup
[21:14] <charlie-tca> We can't even keep the TeamReports up, how can we do a blog?
[21:14] <cody-somerville> knome, any blog can be aggregated
[21:14] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe that would be the solution.
[21:14] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, If the tool is available, people might be more inclined. Furthermore, blog entries are more fun to write then the the team report :)
[21:14] <knome> cody-somerville, i mean aggregated like planet.
[21:15] <cody-somerville> knome, I think it would be a wordpress instance and people who want to write for the blog could get accounts.
[21:15] <cody-somerville> knome, We could use the xubuntu.org website for it even
[21:15] <knome> cody-somerville, yeah. we might get off of drupal. is that possible?
[21:15] <cody-somerville> Yup
[21:15] <knome> \o/
[21:15] <knome> +1 (billion)
[21:16] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to investigate possibility of using xubuntu.org for official team blog.
[21:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to investigate possibility of using xubuntu.org for official team blog.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> Okay, lets move on now.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> "Create teamwork opportunities "
[21:16] <JPohlmann> Planets usually aren't very coherent in their topics. If it's supposed to be about Xubuntu only, then aggregation like that doesn't make much sense.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> We said:
[21:16] <cody-somerville> # 5-a-day
[21:16] <cody-somerville> # User-created content on the CD (ala Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase)
[21:16] <cody-somerville> # "Community Help Contact"??? (could tie in with channel opping)
[21:16] <cody-somerville> #
[21:16] <cody-somerville> Bug & Package Jams
[21:16] <knome> JPohlmann, true.
[21:16] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, What do you think of 5-a-day?
[21:16] <j1mc_> JPohlmann: check out the server team blog or the launchpad team blog
[21:16] <charlie-tca> 5-a-day is great for promoting bug-triaging.
[21:17] <charlie-tca> But it is only useful for bug work
[21:17]  * cody-somerville nods.
[21:17] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, How about we setup a 5-a-day Xubuntu team? :)
[21:17] <knome> and only possible/relevat with bugs!
[21:17] <knome> +n
[21:17] <charlie-tca> If you want
[21:18] <charlie-tca> I'll get one set up
[21:18] <knome> charlie-tca, do you think that would draw people?
[21:18] <cody-somerville> I think it would. It'll certainly get me more involved in bug triage.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> I don't really know. I see a few people triaging our bugs, but we are at a point we have to triage all bugs to get 5-a-day
[21:19] <knome> ok. let's certainly do that.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> We only have 63 new bugs right now
[21:19] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Charlie to setup 5-a-day team
[21:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Charlie to setup 5-a-day team
[21:19] <knome> charlie-tca, i think the idea behind 5-a-day is not *5*, but improving contiributor quality and motivation.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:20] <cody-somerville> I think the user-created content on CD is something we can look at next cycle
[21:20] <knome> yeah. agreed. we are too busy now already.
[21:20] <cody-somerville> However, what about a "Community Help Contact". We could take turns herding #xubuntu :)
[21:20] <charlie-tca> yes, good idea
[21:21] <knome> community help contact could be also linked a bit with mentoring, right?
[21:21] <knome> and also is linked to improving the get help&support and involved -pages :)
[21:21] <cody-somerville> Sure
[21:21] <cody-somerville> I'll see if TheSheep will champion the community help contact idea
[21:22] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to speak with TheSheep about organizing the community help contact idea
[21:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to speak with TheSheep about organizing the community help contact idea
[21:22] <knome> +1
[21:22] <cody-somerville> "Regular IRC & Skype Meetings"
[21:22] <knome> +1
[21:22] <cody-somerville> It seems like we are doing IRC meetings regularly
[21:22] <knome> ;)
[21:23] <cody-somerville> How about we try Skype sometime?
[21:23] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> I have no Skypoe
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Skype
[21:23] <knome> we are, but i miss the impromptu meeting we've had a few times.
[21:23] <j1mc_> me neither
[21:23] <JPohlmann> Skype could be funny.
[21:23] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, We can call you
[21:23] <cody-somerville> "Create resources for loco teams (flyers, artwork, etc.) "
[21:23] <cody-somerville> knome, ^^
[21:23] <cody-somerville> and last but not least, "Default settings for IRC and Pidgin could point to #xubuntu "
[21:23] <knome> JPohlmann, it's easier now as we've met each other (at least many of us)
[21:24] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, Can you volunteer to explore this option?
[21:24] <knome> cody-somerville, resources will come once we've progressed in the artwork for this cyclw.
[21:24] <knome> *cycle
[21:24] <cody-somerville> ok
[21:24] <cody-somerville> great
[21:24] <Myrtti> mumble
[21:24] <Myrtti> for audio conference calls over IP
[21:24] <cody-somerville> hehe
[21:24] <cody-somerville> Myrtti, Hey!
[21:25] <knome> cody-somerville, i'll just export thing to different shapes and sizes
[21:25] <mr_pouit> cody-somerville: ok (if pidgin supports xdg config directories, it should be easy...)
[21:25] <cody-somerville> Myrtti, Do you want to volunteer to champion the community contact idea for #xubuntu?
[21:25] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, I was thinking xchat as well
[21:25] <knome> Myrtti, the official language for audio conferences should be finnish. ;)
[21:25] <mr_pouit> ok
[21:25] <Myrtti> cody-somerville: sure, if I can get a quick roundup on what's to be done.
[21:25] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, either have specific config for Xubuntu install or have it open #ubuntu, #kubuntu, and #xubuntu no matter what desktop you're on
[21:26] <knome> cody-somerville, mr_pouit: i think that's already been done on ubuntu, irrc.
[21:26] <knome> *iirc
[21:26] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] mr_pouit to look into modifying pidgin and xchat to open #xubuntu in addition to #ubuntu on startup
[21:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mr_pouit to look into modifying pidgin and xchat to open #xubuntu in addition to #ubuntu on startup
[21:26] <knome> or kubuntu.
[21:26] <knome> or then somebody was talking about that
[21:27] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to also contact Myrtti regarding community help contact idea.
[21:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to also contact Myrtti regarding community help contact idea.
[21:27] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Documentation
[21:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation
[21:27] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, j1mc_ ^^ :)
[21:28] <cody-somerville> Hey jeromeg
[21:28] <JPohlmann> Discussion on the Xfce developer mailing list has started about how to improve the upstream end user documentation.
[21:29] <jeromeg> hello
[21:29] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, excellent.
[21:29] <knome> \o/
[21:29] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, do you think we'll see updated documentation for Jaunty?
[21:29] <j1mc_> yeah - i sent them a note to get that ball rolling.  i'm working on some merges from ubuntu docs tonight.
[21:30] <j1mc_> most inappropriate ubuntu references are out of the xubuntu docs, but i still need to update much of the content.
[21:30] <JPohlmann> Jim is in a dialog with Nick and a few others. We're currently investigating different options. One way would be to write the documentation in a wiki and then importing it into the tarballs for releases. Another is to generate online content based on documentation that is shipped with the tarballs.
[21:30] <j1mc_> being able to merge off of ubuntu docs is helping to keep things up to date, i think
[21:30]  * cody-somerville nods.
[21:31] <knome> agreed.
[21:31] <cody-somerville> Interesting. I'm excited to hear this.
[21:31] <JPohlmann> Nothing has been decided yet and this won't happen in 4.6 because we're now close to the final release.
[21:31] <JPohlmann> So that's something for the next release cycle unfortunately.
[21:31] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, I'd like to see a Xubuntu doc hug day or something to see if we can get the docs some love.
[21:31] <j1mc_> i had proposed having xfce devs file a bug against their own packages to indicate if the docs needed updating
[21:32] <j1mc_> some of the xfce devs have updated their docs - others haven't.
[21:32] <j1mc_> i think jeromeg had updated his, right?  :)
[21:32]  * JPohlmann hasn't. Shame on him.
[21:32]  * knome throws a rotten tomato on JPohlmann
[21:32] <JPohlmann> AFAIR jeromeg has also updated the xfdesktop docs.
[21:32] <jeromeg> j1mc_: I have an up to date doc for xfce4 screenshooter and I updated the xfdesktop one
[21:32] <j1mc_> if xfce devs would file a bug against their packages in bugzilla - that would help things along.
[21:33] <JPohlmann> j1mc_: I guess I could do that since I'm contributing to most of them.
[21:33] <j1mc_> cody-somerville: a hug day sounds good.  i don't know how many docteam members are familiar with xubuntu, but we could still get some input.
[21:34] <j1mc_> JPohlmann: if you could do that, it would be great.
[21:34] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] j1mc_ to organize a Xubuntu doc hug day closer to doc freeze.
[21:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  j1mc_ to organize a Xubuntu doc hug day closer to doc freeze.
[21:34] <JPohlmann> cody-somerville: Can you create an action for the bug filing thing for me?
[21:35] <JPohlmann> Erm, yeah, I guess I can do that myself ...
[21:35] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] JPohlmann to get developers to file bugs against their packages that need doc updating.
[21:35] <MootBot> ACTION received:  JPohlmann to get developers to file bugs against their packages that need doc updating.
[21:35] <JPohlmann> Ok
[21:35] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Last minute topics
[21:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Last minute topics
[21:36] <cody-somerville> Anything else anyone would like to bring up before we conclude this meeting?
[21:36] <knome> I'm married!
[21:36] <knome> WOOHOOO
[21:36] <Myrtti> knome: congrats!
[21:36] <j1mc_> wow - congrats, knome!!!
[21:36] <knome> partee at my house any summer day ;)
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Yes, I would like opinions on expanduing the testing of the LiveCD to about what we do on an install
[21:36] <JPohlmann> On a side node: I've almost finished work on move/merging support in libxfce4menu. It won't make it into 4.6 but at least it's now pretty sure that it will be finished in 4.8 ;)
[21:36] <j1mc_> :)
[21:36] <knome> Myrtti, j1mc_: thanks
[21:37] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, knome :)
[21:37] <j1mc_> JPohlmann: wonderful.
[21:37] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Can you elaborate?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Many people are using the desktop cd as a live cd without installing. They are finding bugs we miss in testing
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I think we need to expand testing to actual use cases
[21:38] <cody-somerville> That sounds like an excellent idea to me.
[21:38] <charlie-tca> AbiWord, for example, will mis-spell words that work on the installed version
[21:39] <charlie-tca> pulse audio has to be installed to use totem and VLC
[21:39] <cody-somerville> oh bloody hell
[21:39] <charlie-tca> \o/
[21:39] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Cody to speak with Luke and Charlie about audio issues.
[21:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to speak with Luke and Charlie about audio issues.
[21:40] <jeromeg> xubuntu ships vlc ?
[21:40] <cody-somerville> jeromeg, no
[21:40] <charlie-tca> No, but using it with the livecd fails
[21:40] <jeromeg> ok
[21:40] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, are there bugs for all this?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> some of it.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> bug 329252
[21:41] <charlie-tca> I don't think most of it is reported
[21:41] <cody-somerville> I was hoping we could avoid pulseaudio
[21:41] <cody-somerville> We'll have to investigate I guess
[21:41] <charlie-tca> doesn't seem like it
[21:41] <j1mc_> i know we talked about it earlier, and it looks like others disagre with me, but ... do we really want two menu items / places to update the same thing in Xubuntu?  (re: settings manager items or regular menu items)?
[21:41] <cody-somerville> Anything else we need to discuss before I conclude this meeting? :)
[21:41] <j1mc_> Of course, I'm partly asking because having them in two places requires that I document them being in two places, but it also doesn't make a lot of sense.
[21:41] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, I like both
[21:42] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, especially with the divider between the settings manager and the rest
[21:42] <j1mc_> others agree?
[21:42]  * charlie-tca nods
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I like the "other" menu, too
[21:42] <j1mc_> ok - so be it.  :)  i'll figure something out.
[21:43] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, sorry for the extra work ;p
[21:43] <j1mc_> no biggie
[21:43] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, I recommend for documentation that you pick one way and use it throughout for consistency
[21:43] <j1mc_> it would've been extra work for mr_pouit the other way, too.  :)
[21:43] <cody-somerville> ;]
[21:43] <cody-somerville> Okay, any other things? :)
[21:43] <knome> hmmh. who administrates the identi.ca xubuntu group?
[21:43] <j1mc_> i'll probably direct people to the settings manager, but will also note that they are available as individual menus
[21:43] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, okay
[21:44] <j1mc_> knome: boredandblogging
[21:44] <cody-somerville> #ENDMEETING
[21:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:44.
[21:44] <j1mc_> he set it up  (nick ali)
[21:44] <knome> ok.
[21:44] <j1mc_> All - next meeting is set for april 5th
[21:44] <j1mc_> a little earlier given the release cycle deadlines
[21:44] <knome> j1mc_, ali like right now in freenode?
[21:45] <cody-somerville> Who wants to update the wiki for this meeting?
[21:45] <knome> it's a long way there.
[21:45] <j1mc_> knome: he goes by boredandblogging on freenode
[21:45] <knome> ok.
[21:45] <cody-somerville> j1mc_, knome? :)
[21:45] <j1mc_> cody-somerville: i'll update the wiki
[21:45] <cody-somerville> thanks
[21:45] <knome> j1mc_, thanks.
[21:45] <j1mc_> np


[08:30] <nysosym> hi there :)
[08:37] <BHSPitMonkey> yo
[08:40] <nysosym> hi BHSPitMonkey  :)
[08:41] <BHSPitMonkey> sup
[08:43] <nysosym> BHSPitMonkey, on what do u working? :)
[08:44] <BHSPitMonkey> school -.-
[01:28] <daviey> Any budding artists mind throwing a usplash picture together?
[01:42] <kwwii> erm, not sure if it is possible to "throw" one together :-)
[01:45] <kwwii> daviey: exactly what do you need?
[01:48] <daviey> hmm
[01:48] <daviey> wait 1
[01:48] <daviey> can i email/dcc what i have done?
[01:50] <daviey> I basically need a 'well polished' usplash picture for 'mythbuntu' (MythTV & Ubuntu dedicated distro)
[01:52] <kwwii> daviey: well, you have to know that it is only 256 colors so there are some restrictions
[01:52] <kwwii> but I will help in any way possible :-)
[01:53] <daviey> yeah, i have made one and compiled it - but it looks amateurish.
[01:55] <kwwii> can you post a pic?
[01:57] <daviey> http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythbuntuuu6.jpg
[01:57] <daviey> sorry
[01:57] <daviey> http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6382/mythbuntuuu6.jpg
[01:59] <kwwii> ouch, yeah...that would be hard to do with so few colors :-)
[01:59] <daviey> that is 256 colours
[02:01] <kwwii> one thing that would make things easier would be to put the whole thing on a solid bg
[02:01] <kwwii> it looks like it is on a gradient now, am I right?
[02:02] <daviey> yes
[02:02] <daviey> it's shamelessly stolen from a bg on gnome-look
[02:02] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:02] <kwwii> I would suggest trying to put it on a solid blue color
[02:04] <daviey> I could try that.  Is there an easy way to convert a truecolour image to 256 using GIMP?  I had to save it as GIF then resave it as a png
[02:05] <kwwii> just go into the image menu and click on the indexed entry
[02:05] <kwwii> it will open a pop-up
[02:06] <kwwii> image-->mode-->indexed
[02:06] <kwwii> and note that rastering the pic is probably not the best idea
[02:07] <daviey> ahh, i see
[02:07] <daviey> rastering?
[02:08] <kwwii> erm, dithering, I meant
[02:08] <daviey> ahh
[06:42] <bersace> Hi all
[06:42] <bersace> Does anyone tested HumanFeistyList ?
[06:43] <bersace> screenshots at http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/Images/Captures/Gnome/GDM/Themes/HumanFeistyList/
[06:46] <bersace> ?
[06:46] <bersace> troy_s: hi bro :)
[07:03] <kwwii> howdy bersace
[07:03] <kwwii> I haven't tested it, but it looks nice
[07:04] <bersace> kwwii: thanks to you !
[07:04] <bersace> hh
[07:04] <bersace> :)
[07:04] <kwwii> busy fixing my mistake in the kubuntu usplash atm :-(
[07:04] <bersace> aren't you the original author of this gdm theme ?
[07:04] <kwwii> bersace: well, I am one of the authors, I guess
[07:04] <bersace> me too :)
[07:05] <kwwii> I didn't put my name in any of the files :p
[07:05] <bersace> at least, we are a team :)
[07:05] <kwwii> yeah :-)


[14:55] <nlsthzn> ChanServ +op nlsthzn ubuntu-ae
[14:55] <nlsthzn> lol... I can't remember how to get ops :p
[14:56] <nlsthzn> hey rverrips
[14:56] <nlsthzn> to all: meeting shifted to 19:30 due to prayer time
[14:57] <rverrips> Ok, will rejoin then ... (driving home)
[15:09] <xnixan> evening nlsthzn :)
[15:09] <nlsthzn> xnixan, hey... meeting a but delayed ... now happening 19:45
[15:10] <nlsthzn> also, do you know how to take ops? I want to change the topic :p
[15:10] <xnixan> nlsthzn, i will be there :p
[15:10] <xnixan> hala bassem_lap :)
[15:10] <bassem_lap> xnixan, hi :-)
[15:11] <nlsthzn> hey bassem_lap :) meeting at 19:45
[15:11] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, why?
[15:12] <nlsthzn> bassem_lap, Omar's request AFAIK... due to prayer time etc...
[15:12] <nlsthzn> bassem_lap, btw... who still has op status on the channel... I wanted to change the topic but couldn't get ops... ?
[15:12] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, didn't see it
[15:12] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, it's easy!!!
[15:13] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, /MSG ChanServ op #ubuntu-ae nlsthzn
[15:13] <xnixan> bbl
[15:14] <nlsthzn> hmmm... ok... thanks bassem_lap ... I forgot the exact command and the ones I could get from the net didn't help... sorry about that
[15:14] <nlsthzn> lol
[15:15] <nlsthzn> give me a sec
[15:15] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, next time you will find it here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[15:15] <nlsthzn> true
[15:17] <nlsthzn> takes me a while but I get it eventually
[15:19] <Haden> Good day guys ..
[15:20] <nlsthzn> Haden, hey :)
[15:22] <bassem_lap> Haden, hey
[15:26] <Uxthui> Hey folks, you wanna leave chairing the meeting to Omar?
[15:28] <nlsthzn> Does not matter too me... if he would like to it is all good :)
[15:30] <Haden> I have no problem too
[15:36] <rverrips> Hi Guys, sorry I'm late ...
[15:36] <Haden> rverrips you're early actually ..
[15:36] <Uxthui> iOmar, did you review how the bot works?
[15:36] <nlsthzn> rverrips, time changed... again :p
[15:37] <rverrips> no prob's re: timechange ... happy to wait ...
[15:39] <iOmar> Hi guys
[15:40] <iOmar> Lets get going for our meeting
[15:40] <nlsthzn> Hey iOmar :)
[15:40] <bassem_lap> iOmar, hi Omar
[15:41] <iOmar> Hey Neil, thanks for your support online! In the UCW.
[15:41] <Uxthui> Right about that, sorry I couldn't attend, I was out. :(
[15:42] <iOmar> Since I am not very familiar with the commands, please correct me if I do something wrong.
[15:42] <Haden> Hey Omar
[15:42] <nlsthzn> iOmar, ? Not sure what I did but it was a pleasure :)
[15:42] <iOmar> I would like to update the group on yesterday's session
[15:42] <Haden> I'm still stuck at work :( .. Try my best to participate
[15:42] <iOmar> For those not aware yesterday was the second day of the Ubuntu Community Week
[15:43] <iOmar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommunityWeek
[15:43] <iOmar> If you open the link there is a time table of IRC session from all over the world
[15:44] <iOmar> I was invited to present a session on behalf of the local community
[15:44] <nlsthzn> also if you install lernid is makes it so easy to participate... #pro-tip
[15:45] <iOmar> It went well and I will try to get the Google Analytics for our meetup website for the visitors
[15:45] <Haden> Congrats :)
[15:46] <iOmar> The session log can be found online for those who would like to have a read about it.
[15:46] <nlsthzn> Glad it was a success :)
[15:46] <iOmar> "How I Started an Ubuntu Group in My City and How You Could Too!"  A young and budding group has started in the famous Middle Easter cosmopolitan city of Dubai. This session will show you how the Emirates' first Ubuntu community was started. It will describe the tools and methods the team used to ensure a smooth start, so you can too!
[15:46] <iOmar> I really liked the "Middle Easter" part
[15:47] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:47] <rverrips> :-)
[15:47] <iOmar> I will post the link to the slides which I presented just a sec
[15:47] <nlsthzn> Cool... at least one person can sign my card :D
[15:48] <iOmar> ^.^
[15:48] <iOmar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommunityWeek/oneiric/slides?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=session05.pdf
[15:49] <iOmar> The slides where basically a quick overview of tools which I use to organize the community in addition to some general guidelines for community leaders
[15:50] <iOmar> If any one does have any questions please go ahead
[15:50] <Uxthui> se
[15:51] <nlsthzn> Well... we have all been here so I guess we have first hand knowledge :p
[15:52] <iOmar> No problems ...
[15:53] <nlsthzn> Problem with slide are they tell so little...
[15:53] <nlsthzn> *slides
[15:53] <iOmar> The time was limited so I barely managed to get through them
[15:53] <iOmar> It was an hour session.
[15:55] <nlsthzn> I saw that IRC is a very different platform for presentations... but a far reaching one :)
[15:55] <iOmar> Yes the sheer number of attendees was a bit intimidating but the fact they cant see you or hear you is reassuring. Interesting position to be in  one.
[15:56] <Haden> :)
[15:57] <iOmar> Shall move on to the topic of the meeting "Discussing the feedback collected from the UAE's first InstallFest"
[15:57] <nlsthzn> Sure
[15:59] <iOmar> The InstallFest was a great success, thanks to everyone who participated, especially those who left their day jobs, walked out of a plane, travelled the arabian desert all to reach the venue.
[15:59] <iOmar> Thank YOU!
[16:00] <iOmar> As for some of the indicators that measured success we did put down some KPI's to measure
[16:00] <nlsthzn> Did we pass or fail? :p
[16:02] <iOmar> Since this was the first time
[16:02] <iOmar> We did put a tentative figure of 50 pcs but that was a loose figure. I say we PASSED with FLYING COLORS!
[16:03] <Haden> :D
[16:03] <nlsthzn> It was a good day... long but good... :)
[16:03] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, are you talking about something new, and I missed it?!!
[16:04] <nlsthzn> bassem_lap, there has only been one installfest I am aware off...
[16:04] <iOmar> The KPIs we set during the planning meeting we held at Costa in Dubai Mall
[16:04] <iOmar> 1) Number of Email Shots sent  2) Number of Backups made of users data  3) Number of Overall Ubuntu Installation  4) Number of Dual Boot Installations  5) Number of Pure Ubuntu intallations  6) Number of Successful Installation  7) Number of Installations with issues
[16:06] <iOmar> As for the KPI - 1 Number of Email shots sent , there were several around 3 I recall from the IEEE guys to around 2000 email addresses
[16:06] <iOmar> All to the Engineering College students and faculty
[16:07] <iOmar> KPI - 2 was not measured since we opted not to backup any data from any PC
[16:07] <iOmar> KPI - 3
[16:07] <iOmar> Number of Ubuntu Installations Overall = 32 (Successful + Attempted)
[16:08] <nlsthzn> Felt like so many more...
[16:08] <iOmar> KPI - 4 = Number of Dual Boot Installations = 30 Successful
[16:09] <iOmar> KPI - 5 = Pure Ubuntu = Zero ( I might be wrong as one student brought a humoungus desktop [see photos] and Joseph was working on it, no too sure)
[16:09] <iOmar> KPI - 6 = Number of successful Installation = 30
[16:10] <iOmar> KPI -7 = Number of Installation with Issues = 2 laptops did not manage to get Ubuntu on them and thus just evil OS remained ^.^
[16:11] <iOmar> So that wraps up the numbers
[16:11] <nlsthzn> the desktop was a full install by accident...
[16:12] <nlsthzn> the person gave the wrong drive number to us and windows was wiped :p
[16:12] <iOmar> oh I think that was a good thing to have happened so that makes KPI 7 = 1
[16:12] <rverrips> One of the 2 that didn't get it was a Mac which was already dual-booting OSx and Windows 7 ... There wasn't enough free space to created the partition needed for Ubuntu
[16:12] <iOmar> Cool
[16:12] <Uxthui> Windows can run on Macbooks?
[16:13] <iOmar> Oh yeah I remeber that one, thanks Roy you did your best on that one!
[16:13] <nlsthzn> Uxthui, sure
[16:13] <rverrips> Yup - It's alled Bootcamp - a set of drivers that'll let Intel Mac's work pretty ok with Windows ...
[16:13] <Uxthui> I see, it's thanks to Apple moving away from PowerPC...
[16:13] <iOmar> Is that similar to Parallels?
[16:14] <rverrips> No, Bootcamp runs it natives - Parellels is a Virtual PC inside OSx ... but let's not stray off-topic :-)
[16:14] <Haden> Parallel is a more like a virtual pc
[16:15] <iOmar> Bringing back the subject to the InstallFest
[16:15] <nlsthzn> Do we have any feedback from those we installed on that day...?
[16:15] <iOmar> I do recall some had suggestions and comments, so why dont we start noting them down
[16:16] <iOmar> Feel free to add a suggestion or comment
[16:16] <Uxthui> iOmar, use the bot note down the points.
[16:17] <Uxthui> *bot to
[16:17] <iOmar> Those who know how to do this please help!
[16:17] <nlsthzn> Next time we can optimize the layout and work flow... and also the paperwork and also we can give much more info about the loco etc...
[16:18] <iOmar> Yes thats right
[16:18] <Uxthui> iOmar, I PMed the links to instructions.
[16:18] <Uxthui> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[16:20] <iOmar> Just a question has anyone issued the startmeeting command
[16:20] <rverrips> Yup, Neil pretty much summed it all up ... I tried to "log" the time / steps on the forms I got to help "debug" and draw up KPI / estimates for the next one.
[16:21] <Uxthui> iOmar, no.
[16:21] <Haden> Lol.. Maybe next time
[16:21] <iOmar> #startmeeting
[16:21] <Haden> Silviu was good at this stuff
[16:22] <Haden> Dude disappeared ..
[16:22] <nlsthzn> :/ not really needed... someone will go through the log and update the wiki manually...
[16:22] <iOmar> Oh okay
[16:22] <iOmar> Coming back to the topic
[16:23] <iOmar> Thanks Neil and Roy , yes there were issues with the paper work. Neil can you be more specifc on the paperwork?
[16:24] <nlsthzn> We can have a better form, to log much more important info...
[16:24] <nlsthzn> I think the best would be to have a session and hammer out one with  info from several peeps
[16:25] <nlsthzn> something that assists in following up afterwards and helps with the workflow...
[16:25] <nlsthzn> so we don't have times when nobody was sure who was supposed to do what when etc :)
[16:26] <nlsthzn> the form now is just a disclaimer
[16:26] <Haden> :)
[16:27]  * nlsthzn types slow with one hand while eating pizza with the other :p
[16:27]  * Haden types with one finger while staring at a windows desktop :/
[16:27] <iOmar> :) I did base the InstallFest template on this http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/html_single/Installfest-HOWTO/
[16:28] <nlsthzn> pffft red hat... they just worried they would get sued :D
[16:28] <nlsthzn> it is a good form... just needs more :)
[16:29] <nlsthzn> be like a dossier... cradle to grave :)
[16:30] <iOmar> Also in terms of distributing a paper that had our contact details or how to get help, that didnt exist. Funny no one came up with the idea
[16:30] <nlsthzn> :) so we learn... we should also add some handy links on the desktops :)
[16:31] <iOmar> Joseph tried to jot down our meetup page URL on a note it but half way through the day I noticed the URL was wrong , but I have to give him he came up with the idea on the fly, Hats off to Jospeh!
[16:31] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:32] <iOmar> I think we need to create some sort of calling card. With all our details websites etc.
[16:32] <nlsthzn> Sounds good
[16:32] <Haden> Ubuntu Business cards ? :)
[16:33] <nlsthzn> members only
[16:33] <iOmar> I will work on some samples and share them with you possibly next IRC meeting
[16:33] <nlsthzn> afaik
[16:33] <iOmar> I was thinking of making them more generic and not personal ones so that anyone can pick them and share them
[16:34] <nlsthzn> Something easy to have and share at anytime :)
[16:34] <iOmar> Just to set the expectations of this meeting what time does it end (9:00 PM?)
[16:34] <Haden> I think we can all contribute to get them printed
[16:35] <iOmar> Great idea Haden
[16:35] <Haden> Any idea how much it costs ?
[16:35] <Haden> For a 100 pack ?
[16:36] <iOmar> I have done some prints before depends on the (Thickness of Paper, Laminated or not, Glossy or Matte) etc...
[16:36] <iOmar> A pack of 500 cards
[16:36] <iOmar> Business cards sized
[16:36] <Haden> Cost of non laminated matte ?
[16:37] <iOmar> Thick enough so that they stand in between other cards as high quality and laminated and matte with a smooth texture to give a high finish effect = 750 DHS I think
[16:38] <iOmar> Or 1000 they were I will double check but will let you guys know
[16:38] <Uxthui> We don't need quality stuff, just minimum readable card will do, methinks.
[16:38] <Haden> Btw.. Should we discuss about next meetups agenda ?
[16:39] <iOmar> Thanks Haden will do but before we do we just need to finish the InstallFest feedback
[16:40] <Uxthui> Now that we're back on topic, how should we contact the IEEE again?
[16:41] <nlsthzn> I would like to get feedback from the people that we helped last time... I think we left them a bit high and dry...
[16:41] <nlsthzn> Not the best we should/could have done...
[16:42] <iOmar> The IEEE people are one holiday and I have their emails but never got in touch ever since
[16:43] <iOmar> We can reach out to them as Toki suggested to let them send out an email to the students, who we have their emails in the forms.
[16:43] <Uxthui> Not staying in touch was a mistake.
[16:43] <iOmar> Correct Toki
[16:44] <Haden> Brb guys
[16:45] <iOmar> What would be the best approach in terms of reaching out to those students? Do we send them a personalized email asking them for feedback and if they need help>
[16:46] <iOmar> A side note guys in terms of timing this meeting should try to wrap at 9:00 pm I suggest
[16:46] <Uxthui> Hopefully, if our feedback campaign works out, we can maintain a permanent relationship and organize InstallFest and support events on a yearly basis Ahmad suggested.
[16:46] <nlsthzn> The ones we have done I don't know... but some sort of direct communication one week, then a month, etc. for new peeps would be cool
[16:47] <nlsthzn> iOmar, agreed... we need to stream line the IRC meetings... they tend to be to long
[16:47] <Uxthui> I think we should first ask what the IEEE's impression was, and based on that move on to survey the general participants.
[16:48] <iOmar> Ok so we reach out to the IEEE guys first and then send an email personalized to the person who we installed Ubuntu for
[16:48] <iOmar> ?
[16:48] <Uxthui> Exactly.
[16:48] <iOmar> Any other suggestions
[16:49] <nlsthzn> OR the IEEE could do it...
[16:49] <Uxthui> We need to show that we're still interested in how Ubuntu worked out for them, and how we could improve the experience.
[16:50] <iOmar> Good idea Neil
[16:50] <Uxthui> Yes, the IEEE will send the personalized emails on behalf of #ubuntu-ae.
[16:50] <iOmar> Personalized is the way
[16:50] <iOmar> NOTE 10 mins remaining to wrap this meeting.
[16:50] <nlsthzn> I just think we might have waited to long since the last one... and we could maybe make sure not to repeat this in the future...  but some feedback would just help us to get some feeling about how the students felt about it and we can learn some more from it
[16:51] <Uxthui> Need to start designing survey forms as well.
[16:51] <iOmar> We can still invite them to our meetup site by sending an invite, there is a tool to recruit new members in meetup
[16:51] <Uxthui> Oh that's right, do we do an online survey or paper?
[16:52] <Uxthui> The invitation should be sent along side the survey request.
[16:52] <iOmar> An email might be enough, going through a survey might be a bit taxing on some
[16:52] <iOmar> me personally
[16:52] <nlsthzn> nobody likes surveys :p
[16:53] <Uxthui> You mean ask them to send a simple feedback email?
[16:53] <iOmar> They can just reply to the email and that might make it more attractive since no specifc format has been imposed on them
[16:53] <Uxthui> I don't think it will be informative enough.
[16:54] <Uxthui> I see.
[16:54] <iOmar> If they do reply to the email we can invite them to fill out a survey?
[16:54] <iOmar> that will filter out the intrested
[16:54] <iOmar> from those who weren't
[16:54] <nlsthzn> sounds good
[16:54] <iOmar> Cool
[16:55] <iOmar> So would any one like to write up an email?
[16:55] <iOmar> NOTE 5 mins remaining to wrap this meeting.
[16:56]  * nlsthzn doesn't mind to draft one and put it on the message board for approval/tweaking
[16:57] <Uxthui> nlsthzn, your blog posts are very lively, why don't you give the email a try? ;)
[16:57] <Uxthui> Oops, too late.
[16:57] <iOmar> Great so Neil is going to draft one
[16:57] <iOmar> done
[16:57] <nlsthzn> just give me a day or two with work etc
[16:58] <iOmar> Take your time no students are in school its summer.
[16:58] <iOmar> Ok action items
[16:58] <Uxthui> What's our time table to getting this done?
[16:58] <Haden> Keep it informal
[16:58] <iOmar> Let target the begging of the school year
[16:58] <iOmar> *begining
[16:59] <nlsthzn> Oh, ok... np... lots of time then :)
[16:59] <iOmar> 1) Sample callign card = Omar
[16:59] <iOmar> 2) Costs of printng = Omar
[16:59] <iOmar> 3) Email draft = Neil
[16:59] <Uxthui> iOmar, seconded. Also the possibility of yet another InstallFest targeting the freshmen as Ahmad suggested.
[16:59] <iOmar> Lets continue in our next IRC meeting
[17:00] <Haden> Guys what do you think of a google apps account ?
[17:00] <nlsthzn> Sounds good...
[17:00] <Haden> We can store documents .. Email .. Etc
[17:00] <Uxthui> iOmar, shall we have another next week or keep the once monthly schedule?
[17:00] <rverrips> Haden, I've can make ubuntu.ae accounts available via google apps
[17:01] <iOmar> I am okay with next week depends on the communiyt
[17:01] <Haden> rvverrips was thinking the same thinking ..
[17:01] <iOmar> Cool idea but isnt it 50USD per account
[17:01] <Haden> *thing
[17:01] <iOmar> per year>
[17:01] <iOmar> ?
[17:01] <Uxthui> iOmar, it's free but only 10 accounts.
[17:01] <Haden> For non profit organizations it's free
[17:01] <iOmar> Cool
[17:02] <iOmar> So to wrap on this final note
[17:02]  * nlsthzn has no idea what you guys are talking about but he needs to go sleepy now :p
[17:02] <rverrips> I have 25 free accounts for ubuntu.ae ready to go ... let me know if want me pull the trigger on that ...
[17:02] <iOmar> action item 4 : Google Accounts for the team
[17:02] <Haden> rverrips go ahead..
[17:02] <nlsthzn> Guys... I will catch you online later... night
[17:02] <Haden> Night nlsthzn
[17:02] <Uxthui> Okay guys, shall we have another IRC meeting next week?
[17:03] <iOmar> So this wraps our session for today
[17:03] <Uxthui> nlsthzn, be seeing you.
[17:03] <iOmar> Toki propose it on meetup and see
[17:03] <Uxthui> Acknowledged.
[17:03] <Haden> Yup.. Go ahead
[17:04] <iOmar> Toki please copy paste the logs and post them on our wiki
[17:04] <iOmar> Thanks every one
[17:04] <iOmar> and bye for now
[17:04] <Haden> Thanks Omar
[17:04] <Haden> See ya ..
[17:04] <Uxthui> Well then everyone, let me thank you for responding to my meeting call.
[17:04] <Uxthui> Salam, iOmar.
[17:05] <Uxthui> rverrips, it's a shame you couldn't make it to the last meet up.
[17:05] <rverrips> Do you want personal accounts, or "alias/forwarders" to existing accounts ...
[17:05] <Uxthui> How're you doing?
[17:05] <Uxthui> I think alias would be good enough.
[17:05] <Uxthui> I don't want yet another Google account.
[17:06] <rverrips> My feeling exactly - will setup aliases by default unless someone want's anything else
[17:06] <Haden> Aliases should do ..
[17:06] <Uxthui> Yes, and rverrips, do you know our existing accounts?
[17:06] <Haden> I wouldn't mind a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>though :D
[17:07] <rverrips> I'll me is so, Haden  ... which email to forward to?
[17:07] <Uxthui> Haden, it would be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but simply forwarded to your regular inbox.
[17:09] <Haden><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:16] <Haden> rverrips<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:16] <rverrips> It's done Haden, give it a shot ...
[17:17] <Haden> Hold on...
[17:18] <Haden> rverrips got it ..
[17:18] <rverrips> sweet :-)
[17:18] <Haden> How do I send from Ubuntu.ae ?
[17:19] <rverrips> You have to setup Gmail with another address ...
[17:19] <rverrips> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=22370
[17:20] <Haden> rverrips thanks .. Will take a look once I get home ..
[17:21] <Uxthui> We're all Google fans!
[17:23] <rverrips> Toki, can you send me a list of names and addresses and I'll set 'em up ... are we doing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:23] <Uxthui> rverrips, I think that should be up to the person in question to decide.
[17:24] <rverrips> ok ... who'll co-ordinate?
[17:24] <Uxthui> First, let's decided who actually deserves @ubuntu.ae mails.
[17:25] <Uxthui> I think the this meeting attendees is a good place to start.
[17:25] <rverrips> Yeah, that works better, thanks .. who'll decide?
[17:25] <rverrips> Tell you want, I'll create only what you send me - Being in charge of community and all that sounds like a good call for you to make.  Send me a let whenever and I'll do it ...
[17:25] <rverrips> Anyway, I'm going to watch some "A-Team" now :-)
[17:26] <Uxthui> rverrips, will do.
[17:26] <rverrips> later ...
[17:29] <Haden> bassem_lap you want to buy the iPhone 4 ?


[21:29] <gordonjcp> hello
[21:29] <gordonjcp> am I using Carla wrong? It doesn't seem to detect any DSSI plugins
[21:29] <gordonjcp> it sees LV2 plugins just fine
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: 90% of the time you just have to tell it what path to look for.
[22:31] <Eickmeyer> Its defaults don't always line-up with where the Debian devs, in their wisdom, have decided where DSSI plugins should go.
[22:31] <Eickmeyer> Moreover, DSSI is kindof a dead plugin format, so keep that in mind.
[23:36] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: yeah, I just can't be arsed porting everything to LV2
[23:37] <OvenWerks> gordonjcp: how many dssi plugins do you have? I am not sure I have any left that actually work.
[23:42] <gordonjcp> OvenWerks: some quite old ones
[23:42] <gordonjcp> I'll probably just adapt them to be standalone Jack apps tbh
[23:43] <gordonjcp> the basic problem is I'm too lazy to figure out how to generate the pages and pages and pages of line noise that LV2 requires in that ttl thing
[23:43] <OvenWerks> :)
[23:46] <OvenWerks> I haven't made any plugins, DSP is not really my thing. But Robin seems to be able to go from nothing to plugin in a very short time. Maybe it is just that he has a lot of code bits sitting around.


[07:02] <Flannel> wack-a-mole
[18:33] <bazhang> * [k`aan_k`an_kaan] (~cyberplan@<IP_ADDRESS>): cyberplanet   seems to be that gnaa PM fellow
[18:33] <IdleOne> get rid of him
[18:33] <bazhang> was hoping he got klined
[18:36] <bazhang> * k`aan_k`an_kaan has quit (K-Lined)
[22:12] <Falcon82> did justin bieber see selena gomez naked?
[22:13] <k1l_> Falcon82: i dont think this is the channel you are looking for


[00:11] <luc_> Is there a xubuntu release working on the PS3 at all?
[00:17] <quittt> hello
[00:18] <quittt> do you know how do I edit Xfce menu?
[00:19] <luc_> quittt: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/ after a quick search...
[00:23] <bad_cables> anyone using a Linksys WPM54G wireless card?
[00:24] <quittt> luc_, well, it is not I'm looking for
[00:24] <soldats> quittt, thats the only way to edit the system part of the menu other than that you need to make some .desktop files or edit already made .desktop files
[00:31] <LetsGo67> My time is constantly 6 hours late, can someone help me fix this pleas?
[00:31] <soldats> rclick the time app and set to your correct time zone
[00:32] <LetsGo67> I am unable to do that, soldats.
[00:33] <soldats> well manually set the clock to the right time and save sassions and restart and see if it help. other wise the normal solution is rclick >> properties >> and set the time zone there
[00:33] <LetsGo67> It's Xfce, not Gnome.
[01:01] <bad_cables> yes yes yes
[01:01] <bad_cables> ndiswrapper is the best
[01:02] <zoredache> bad_cables: I disagree.  I find that buying a supported network adapter is the best
[01:02] <zoredache> buying cheap unsupported adapters just encourages the stupid vendors to keep making them.
[01:03] <bad_cables> they dont get paid to make drivers for linux do they?
[01:04] <bad_cables> and this adaptor wasn't cheap and it was on the Ubuntu list of supported out of the box wifi nics
[01:04] <bad_cables> i actually did get 2 cheap wifi nics trying to get them to work as well
[01:04] <zoredache> no, but at least in some cases the manufacturers publish the full specs for the card, and don't require that your dirver includes prorprietry firmware
[01:05] <bad_cables> well my nic is the Linksys WMP54G 4.1 with the rt61 driver
[01:05] <bad_cables> the rt61pci is what xubuntu installed
[01:06] <bad_cables> that worked but dropped connection on huge downloads, like... apt-get updates and things
[01:06] <bad_cables> then i worked from the threads and tried a new rt61 driver
[01:06] <bad_cables> that worked but, when it scanned i saw a 0% on the radio for all the networks
[01:07] <bad_cables> finally i saw a newer thread that advised the nidiswrapper
[01:07] <bad_cables> untill there is a better driver, that is what i am stuck with
[01:07] <bad_cables> i dont mind, as long as it is stable
[02:22] <gmcastil> i'm still new to the way that Apt works and I'm trying to understand the difference between 'update' and 'upgrade'.  The description makes it look as if 'update' doesn't actually make any changes to local Apt database.  Is this correct?
[03:45] <neald> Hey all, I'm trying to install xubuntu via a partion from another linux system.  I mounted the image, copied all the contents to a partition, set grup to boot to that drive, I get a boot, but I get an error (kernel panic) on the loading of scripts and it kills init.  Anyone know off hand what I did wrong?
[03:49] <maxamillion> neald: no, sorry .... can't say i have ever tried to install that way
[03:50] <cookiemonster077> Help my panel applets and menus have disappeared
[03:51] <maxamillion> cookiemonster077: but not the panels themselves?
[03:51] <cookiemonster077> yes panels to
[03:54] <cookiemonster077> help maxamillion left
[03:56] <neald> Okay, I'll see if I can find help elsewhere
[04:02] <cookiemonster077> is anyone here
[04:05] <bytor4232> Hit alt-f2, then type in xfce4-panel
[09:15] <whyking_> hi
[09:16] <whyking_> I installed a debian package because I needed a newer version.. but now ubuntu caught up, but there is a conflict
[09:16] <whyking_> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/pyqt4-dev-tools_4.3-2ubuntu7.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/libpythonplugin.so', which is also in package python-qt4
[09:17] <whyking_> I removed libpythonplugin.so but the conflict remains
[13:46] <Ven]n> tip for an ok e-mail app in xubuntu? :)
[13:46] <Ven]n> didnt like thunderbird
[15:08] <gabkdll1> Ven]n: I have gmail collect all my email, and then I read it through the web-interface
[15:10] <gabkdll1> I tried mutt, but it was a little overkill for my needs, even though it is pretty light weight
[15:11] <gabkdll1> some people really like sylpheed, and it certainly is light weight and fast
[15:11] <gabkdll1> I like having my email integrated with my chat though
[16:19] <pb_ee1> Heya
[16:19] <pb_ee1> i'm looking for a way to create my own keyboard layout, is there a way to do so with ubuntu or xubuntu?
[16:20] <TheSheep> pb_ee1: sure, just copy and edit one of the layout files, they are text files
[16:20] <pb_ee1> ho, nice to know that, but... where are those files? :p
[16:21] <TheSheep> pb_ee1: /usr/share/X11/xkb/
[16:21] <TheSheep> pb_ee1: you probably want to read some documentation on xkb first
[16:21] <pb_ee1> Thanks a lot TheSheep, i'm looking into it right now ;)
[16:22] <TheSheep> !layout
[16:22] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[16:22] <pb_ee1> thanks for this additional info ;)
[16:23] <TheSheep> this link should get you started, I think
[16:23] <pb_ee1> i'll look at it ;p
[16:27] <mynyml> i can't get my mic to work with skype, been researching for hours on google. any tip would be greatly appreciated
[16:32] <TheSheep> mynyml: does it work with other applications?
[16:33] <mynyml> TheSheep: i can hear my voice comming out of the speakers
[16:34] <TheSheep> hmm.. then the problem seems to be with skype and its settings, I guess
[16:34] <TheSheep> I have no experience with it, it's proprietary software
[16:35] <mynyml> TheSheep: i know, just that it's always worked before. and i really need to use it
[16:36] <TheSheep> mynyml: it's set to alsa?
[16:37] <mynyml> TheSheep: not sure ... you mean the skype settings? the sound in options are either default or a variety HDA intel (....)
[16:38] <TheSheep> mynyml: is there any other application running that might be using your microphone?
[16:38] <mynyml> nothing that wouldnt have been running on my previous laptop
[16:39] <mynyml> there's pidgin but afaik it doesnt have an audio feature yet ...
[16:39] <TheSheep> no
[16:46] <mynyml> TheSheep: how do i add "model=ref" as a module option?
[16:47] <TheSheep> mynyml: in /etc/modprobe.d/options
[16:48] <mynyml> TheSheep: so i just add another line to it? options ??? model=ref   ?
[16:48] <TheSheep> mynyml: it's: options module_name model=ref
[16:48] <TheSheep> mynyml: where module_name is the module you want to add this option for
[16:49] <mynyml> TheSheep: unfortunatly kernel modules are beyound the realm of my limitted knowledge
[16:49] <mynyml> is alsa a module?
[16:49] <TheSheep> mynyml: but the hwto you're following does tell what module it's for?
[16:50] <mynyml> TheSheep: no, its just an entry towards the end of a long thread discussing a similar problem
[16:50] <soldats> mynyml, have you seen this site http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=4489
[16:50] <mynyml> "Solved by adding model=ref as a module option. See Question #6414"
[16:52] <mynyml> i found question 6414 through google, that might have it ..
[16:57] <Ven]n> hmm.. i need to install gtk-devel and glib-devel
[16:58] <Ven]n> where do i find the repositories for those?
[16:59] <zoredache> Ven]n: there should be packages in the main repository
[17:01] <Ven]n> hmm
[17:01] <Ven]n> cant find
[17:01] <zoredache> it would probably be named something like libnnnnn-dev
[17:01] <Ven]n> i have the ubuntu supported packages and the ubuntu community supported pacakges
[17:01] <Ven]n> oh..
[17:01] <zoredache> for example the gtk package might be libgtk1.2-dev
[17:02] <zoredache> or maybe libgtk2.0-dev... depending on the version you want
[17:02] <Ven]n> a bunch of them
[17:02] <Ven]n> i just need one to install sylpheed
[17:03] <Ven]n> foudn libgtk2.0-dev yes
[17:03] <zoredache> aside from disk space it probably wouldn't hurt to just install all of the possibilties
[17:03] <Ven]n> using eeepc
[17:03] <Ven]n> i dont have disk space :D
[17:33] <chris710> hi
[17:34] <chris710> who can help me for the configuration of compiz and emerald with xfce please?
[17:37] <Ven]n> whats the difference between sylpheed and sylpheed-claws?
[17:37] <chris710> sorry i don't know...
[17:37] <Ven]n> chris710, is there a problem?
[17:37] <chris710> can you help me for compiz?
[17:37] <chris710> yes
[17:38] <Ven]n> then the normal way is to ask a question and wait for answers
[17:38] <Ven]n> :p
[17:38] <chris710> ...
[17:39] <chris710> ii only have the windows decoration of my theme with emerald....
[17:39] <chris710> and they have disparaten when i have on xfce...
[17:40] <Ven]n> is disparaten a word?
[17:40] <chris710> i don't know....xd
[17:40] <chris710> disparated...
[17:40] <Ven]n> disappeared?
[17:41] <chris710> i live in france(paris) and i'm only 13 so....
[17:41] <chris710> ah yes disappeared
[17:41] <Ven]n> try following this guide: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:compiz_on_eeexubunto
[17:42] <chris710> do you know if it's possible to change the text color in the panel?
[17:42] <Ven]n> yes
[17:43] <chris710> i have a radeon 7000 but in the terminal,hi writes xgl is not present,but the 3d works on compiz
[17:43] <chris710> and how can i change it?
[17:44] <Ven]n> i dont understand your sentences
[17:44] <Ven]n> it doesnt matter if it says xgl not present
[17:44] <Ven]n> it doesnt have to be
[17:44] <Ven]n> and these are really questions for compiz.. which you should ask in #compiz
[17:45] <chris710> i have an ATI RADEON 7000 and 3D works good on compiz but it writes xgl is not present...
[17:45] <chris710> but i think there is AIGLX
[17:45] <Ven]n> its common that it writes xgl not present
[17:46] <chris710> sorry..what means common?
[17:46] <Ven]n> normal
[17:46] <chris710> i don't remember...
[17:46] <chris710> ah ok
[17:47] <chris710> and do you know how to change the resolution cos i have 1280x1024 and i want 1024x768...
[17:47] <chris710> and in the settings,there is only 640x480,1280x1024 and default...
[17:49] <Ven]n> no
[17:49] <chris710> ok..
[17:51] <hepek> hey, can anyone help me, I have a GTK+ problem in xubuntu 7.10, Ctrl+A is not bound to select all  in textboxes, but only moves cursor to the beginning of the line, also, sometimes, Alt+A sometimes does the job... Problem occured yesterday and I still can't figure out why... Any ideas?
[17:52] <chris710> no sorry...
[17:52] <hepek> thanks anyway
[17:53] <chris710> do you know how install a deklet with compiz?
[17:53] <chris710> i have gdesklets...
[17:55] <Ven]n> why do you ask here?
[17:56] <chris710> ok...ok...ok i go to #compiz...
[18:10] <cookiemonster077> Help all of my panels have disappeared
[18:11] <chris710> tape alt+f2 and write xfce4-panel
[18:11] <zoredache> try pressing alt-fw, then running xfce4-panel
[18:11] <chris710> how can i change text color on the panel?
[18:12] <cookiemonster077> thanks but now I feel like an idiot haha
[18:13] <chris710> xd
[18:13] <chris710> do you know how to change the panel text color
[18:13] <chris710> ?
[18:16] <chris710> are you here?
[18:55] <cookiemonster077> my fusesmb has lost my network folders nothing has changed in the network. anyone know why
[19:08] <BronxAngel> hello xubuntu users. i need tips on making xubuntu even faster on older machines
[19:11] <TheSheep> BronxAngel: the first tip: use some lighter distribution, like archlinux or even gentoo with proper flags
[19:12] <BronxAngel> the oldest machine i have is 333mhz+256ram
[19:15] <BronxAngel> the installer for archlinux doe snot look too userfriendly for a noob like me
[19:16] <TheSheep> BronxAngel: well, if you're not an advanced user, then better stay with xubuntu
[19:17] <TheSheep> BronxAngel: you can disable the printing daemon (cups) if you don't use it, and a number of other unused services (like bluetooth)
[19:17] <BronxAngel> cool, thanks TheSheep, plus i already installed xubuntu and it is a blessing to this old pc. win98 never ran like this b4
[19:18] <BronxAngel> i heard that reducing the workspace desk to 1 reduces memory. is this true?
[19:18] <TheSheep> BronxAngel: you can also remove some of the autostarted applications, like update notification, crash reporting, etc.
[19:19] <BronxAngel> awesome. where is there a nice tutorial with all these goodies?
[19:34] <TheSheep> BronxAngel: I don't know any, but I'm sure there are some on the forums
[19:34] <TheSheep> !forums | BronxAngel
[19:34] <ubotu> BronxAngel: The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org.


[23:19] <knome> rxMokka, "Please contact Frank Lichtenheld if you encounter any problems!"
[23:19] <knome> rxMokka, with link to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:20] <rxMokka> knome: ?? is that from the subdomain that I can not access?
[23:20] <knome> rxMokka, yes, packages.ubuntu.com
[23:20] <rxMokka> ah ok, I'll shoot him an email
[23:20] <rxMokka> you're able to access packages.ubuntu.com just fine though?
[23:20] <knome> yep.
[23:20] <rxMokka> ah today I can as well
[23:20] <rxMokka> nice an snappy
[23:21] <knome> ;)
[23:21] <rxMokka> first time in about a week and a half
[23:21] <knome> okay, good to hear.
[23:21] <knome> at least you now know the contact email
[23:21] <rxMokka> yes, I think I'll shoot him an email anyway, to be sure he knows about the prior problem
[23:21] <knome> yep.