[01:16] <kevlarbot> i see u
[06:40] <Kevin> Hi
[06:41] <Guest69524> How could we solve the pcscd issues?
[14:39] <Wing0> is this still live ?
[16:14] <Comfaby_otebook> Hi someone mentioned glasses earlier . } I tried these guys .. http://ow.ly/sQ1B0
[16:15] <Comfaby_otebook> although HUKD is an #Aff
[17:19] <pmjdebruijn_> jono: you're live :)
[17:22] <pmjdebruijn_> compressed kernel image!
[17:33] <pmjdebruijn> #QUESTION: When moving to Mir after 14.04, the old Xorg based color management (display color correction for color accurate work) infrastructure will potentially break, are there any concrete plans in Canonical as mitigate this?
[17:33] <pmjdebruijn> @ disk recovery = try photorec
[17:33] <belkinsa> That was yesterday's stream, it's a video now.
[17:33] <pmjdebruijn> (testdisk package)
[17:33] <pmjdebruijn> oh doh
[17:34] <pmjdebruijn> silly me
[17:34] <belkinsa> Next show: Ubuntu Engineering Live!
[17:34] <belkinsa> 2014-01-22 18:00 UTC
[17:34] <belkinsa>   That's in less than 30 minutes
[17:34] <pmjdebruijn> I'll stick around for that
[17:34] <pmjdebruijn> I really wasn't paying attention just now
[17:35] <pmjdebruijn> belkinsa: thanks for keeping me from embarassing myself even more :)
[17:35] <cas__> you're on air
[17:35] <Guest8766> asdklajh
[17:35] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[17:37] <Guest8766> QUESTION: Are you still playing metal with your line6 spider amp over there?
[17:37] <Giardo> yup
[17:38] <rapp_> I can see you
[17:38] <belkinsa> The show is not live yet
[17:40] <ruliezz_> what is the topic
[17:40] <ruliezz_> yes i sse you
[17:40] <ruliezz_> haha
[17:40] <ruliezz_> coffe is ok?
[17:40] <belkinsa> ...
[17:40] <ruliezz_> hello? how is the coffeee doe ing?
[17:40] <Xanza> Yes, we can.
[17:41] <Xanza> Put your shoe on your head to ensure that it's a live stream. You know, for science.
[17:43] <Elvi_> why my Ubuntu get cracked when I shutdown my pc?
[17:43] <luchfilip> please note that this is not a support channel, for support channel please go to #ubuntu channel
[17:43] <ruliezz_> When comes to phone to holland?
[17:44] <belkinsa> Thanks luchfilip .
[17:44] <ruliezz_> QUESTIONS: when comes the Ubuntu phone to Holland?
[17:44] <rapp_> Question: Has your team made any progress on accessibility in Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch such as a screen magnifier?
[17:45] <ruliezz_> lol
[17:45] <skill> I can see you
[17:45] <belkinsa> THE SHOW IS NOT LIVE YET, THAT IS THE VIDEO FROM THE STREAM.  NEXT SHOW IS IN 15 MINUTES>
[17:45] <belkinsa> Sorry for the shouting.
[17:46] <ruliezz_> ah thats the problem
[17:47] <nicknakfdsf> The biggest issues with ubuntu, for me, is the instability, laggyness, incompatibility and various bugs.
[17:47] <belkinsa> If you already see how long the video is, then it's already done.  If not, it;s will.
[17:47] <ruliezz_> how we know when its live?
[17:47] <belkinsa> It will say Live and it will be a new title for the video stream
[17:47] <belkinsa> They will tell us
[17:48] <ruliezz_> w00t
[17:48] <ruliezz_> then you need reflash the page?
[17:48] <belkinsa> And it will be also posted on https://twitter.com/UbuntuOnAir
[17:48] <belkinsa> No.
[17:48] <belkinsa> It will do it for you.
[17:48] <ruliezz_> that would be cool
[17:48] <ruliezz_> first time of Google Hangout ;)
[17:49] <belkinsa> But you are just watching it, not doing it.
[17:49] <belkinsa> vUDS is the time when users can do it.
[17:49] <ruliezz_> whats time is it in UK?
[17:49] <belkinsa> 5:49 PM
[17:50] <ruliezz_> In holland its 18:50
[17:50] <ruliezz_> ah right ;)
[17:50] <belkinsa> So 17:50?
[17:50] <ruliezz_> btw is this freenodg?
[17:50] <ruliezz_> freenode?
[17:50] <belkinsa> And here are our fabulous hosts!  Ready to rock you two?
[17:50] <belkinsa> Yes.
[17:51] <ruliezz_> cool then i jump over to my pidgin
[17:51] <belkinsa> chat.freenode is where all of the Ubuntu chatting action happens.
[17:52] <ruliezz> im back ;)
[17:52] <ruliezz> but than in pidgin :D
[17:52] <belkinsa> They have the stream ready to go, you can click play and wait.  Mind your speakers' volume.
[17:53] <ruliezz> yes i see it now
[17:53] <ruliezz> you need f5
[17:53] <belkinsa> Oh, I guess I was wrong.
[17:53] <ruliezz> how long will be the session?
[17:53] <ruliezz> 1hour?
[17:54] <ruliezz> and what is the subject?
[17:54] <belkinsa> An Hour, I think.
[17:54] <belkinsa> You need to wait fr that, I think
[17:54] <mhall119> it'll start in about 5 minutes
[17:54] <ruliezz> i need coffe :D
[17:54] <mhall119> ruliezz: it's an update on what Ubuntu Engineering has been working on
[17:55] <belkinsa> Oh, right, duh.
[17:55] <ruliezz> haha
[17:56] <ruliezz> My coffee machine is working now...
[17:56] <ukbeast> hello world
[17:56] <ruliezz> hellow
[17:56] <hackman84> hi there
[17:56] <dipak> hello there
[17:57] <belkinsa> Hello.
[17:57] <ezreal> hello there
[17:57] <SangeetKhatri> Any guesses on what is about to come?
[17:57] <belkinsa> [12:54] <mhall119> ruliezz: it's an update on what Ubuntu Engineering has been working on
[17:57] <belkinsa> Oh, in 3minutes
[17:58] <ruliezz> @belkinsa why do you say this over and over again?
[17:58] <belkinsa> I missread SangeetKhatri's question
[17:58] <ruliezz> :)
[17:58] <ruliezz> np
[17:58] <ukbeast> info on trusty tahr hopefully
[17:59] <SangeetKhatri> Probably updates on Ubuntu Phone as well.
[17:59] <belkinsa> I hope so.
[18:00] <belkinsa> Well, Ubuntu touch for the tables.
[18:00] <ruliezz> i hope so too
[18:00] <ruliezz> when the phones a go to holland ;)
[18:00] <SangeetKhatri> Anyways if Ubuntu Phone comes to India, then I am definitely buying one. But no one is concerned enough about tech in India at the moment.
[18:00] <ukbeast> Not excited much as nexus support was dropped
[18:01] <ukbeast> Sup
[18:01] <ruliezz> it s start ;)
[18:01] <belkinsa> I see can you!
[18:01] <luchfilip> started
[18:01] <ruliezz> hiii
[18:01] <ruliezz> yes
[18:01] <ukbeast> Works
[18:01] <ruliezz> its working
[18:01] <ruliezz> :D
[18:01] <same> hello michael hall
[18:01] <PaulW2U> mhall119: hi there
[18:01] <krwlng> hi Mr.Hall
[18:01] <ukbeast> Yay trusty info
[18:02] <belkinsa> I like this idea using the videos for updates
[18:02] <hackman84> its playin
[18:02] <SangeetKhatri> did he say "In all caps" ?? Really?
[18:02] <ukbeast> YES
[18:02] <mhall119> SangeetKhatri: yes
[18:02] <belkinsa> Yes, Like  this: QUESTION:
[18:02] <mhall119> QUESTION: this is how?
[18:02] <popey> is there some dentistry going on there?
[18:03] <John_Terry> Hello
[18:03] <ukbeast> Grinding nooise
[18:03] <ruliezz> you sound is weerd
[18:03] <impi> lolz
[18:03] <SangeetKhatri> Isn't all caps considered shouting? Just saying..
[18:03] <ruliezz> pleas ask to stop
[18:03] <didrocks> popey: it's a nasty one then!
[18:03] <popey> yeah, ouch!
[18:04] <ruliezz> @martin your sound
[18:04] <belkinsa> SangeetKhatri, it will highlight for mhall119 and the rest.  It's not shouting in this case.
[18:04] <apt-get_install> QUESTION: I've been asking about this before, but never got a clear answer. Why do your own Mir and split the Linux community, instead of focusing making Wayland better?
[18:05] <beuno> sorry about the noise
[18:05] <same> LOL
[18:05] <beuno> house is half-finished
[18:05] <beuno> :)
[18:05] <belkinsa> It's cool
[18:05] <same> QUESTION: what is your vision for the Ubuntu App Store
[18:05] <mhall119> beuno: top or bottom half?
[18:06] <mhall119> same: what do you mean?
[18:06] <beuno> mhall119, left half!
[18:06] <mhall119> best half :)
[18:07] <same> mhall119: is it going to replace apt-get for installing software, similar to how people use the app store on the Mac?
[18:07] <apt-get_install> same: No one can replace me :(
[18:07] <beuno> mhall119, want me to answer here on IRC or in the hangout?
[18:07] <mhall119> same: thanks, I'll ask once popey is done
[18:07] <belkinsa> The Dash will replace Software Center.
[18:07] <mhall119> beuno: on-air, so it's on the video
[18:07] <beuno> avk
[18:07] <beuno> ack, even
[18:08] <vikas> what is the release date
[18:08] <mhall119> vikas: start with "QUESTION:"
[18:08] <ukbeast> QUESTION: Which music app is going on touch?
[18:08] <mhall119> also, release date for what?
[18:08] <jose> mhall119, beuno: say !q in PM to airbot to fetch the next question, !n to pass it
[18:08] <same> I'm glad the music app is being replaced, because I haven't been very happy with Rhythmbox
[18:09] <apt-get_install> QUESTION: How will Ubuntu Touch handle DRM-movies and DRM-music? Any ideas of intergration with iTunes and other music stores?
[18:09] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Will the weather app only use Weather Channel's API or can users choose other weather services?
[18:09] <ruliezz> QUESTION: how the privancy doing in Ubuntu 14.04
[18:09] <daker> same: nothing will be replaced...
[18:09] <mhall119> jose: it doesn't like !q
[18:10] <jose> whoopsie
[18:10] <savino_> hallo ubuntu lovers greetings from belgium................................
[18:10] <jose> mhall119: it's buggy today, sorry :( I'll fix it asap for the next session
[18:10] <mhall119> jose: no problem
[18:11] <ukbeast> QUESTION: Will touch have voice command later on?
[18:12] <azarot> it's live
[18:12] <same> QUESTION: Are these all new apps or are they improvements to existing apps? For example are we talking about a new terminal and a new file manager, or adding onto Gnome-Terminal and Nautilus?
[18:12] <smith> how one can backup drive data in new version
[18:13] <SangeetKhatri> QUESTION : What will be the codecs support on the phone or there would be something like sudo-apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras or will the propietary codecs come preinstalled?
[18:13] <apt-get_install> SangeetKhatri: kinda like the question i asked
[18:13] <apt-get_install> good one though +1
[18:13] <SangeetKhatri> Sorry.. I did not heard what your question was?
[18:14] <ruliezz> scroll up @SangeetKhatri
[18:14] <same> The question was: what is your vision for the Ubuntu App Store? Is it going to replace apt-get?
[18:15] <ruliezz> the sound by @martin is really unstandbly
[18:15] <ukbeast> YAY, thanks
[18:15] <beuno> yes, sorry about that
[18:15] <sabdfl> hello folks
[18:15] <daker> hi
[18:17] <ruliezz> ;)
[18:17] <jose> hey, mark
[18:18] <smith> does it play each type of video file
[18:19] <jose> smith: make sure to prefix your questions with QUESTION:
[18:19] <didrocks> I was telling: voice command is already in ubuntu touch
[18:19] <didrocks> if you use the HUD, you have a mic icon
[18:19] <krwlng> Didier have use TTNET :P
[18:19] <ruliezz> @QUESTION: will the Ubuntu Phone have WhatsApp? Like Firefox OS?
[18:19] <didrocks> and you can search through HUD items :)
[18:19] <didrocks> krwlng: yeah ;)
[18:20] <jose> ruliezz: afaik, the version on firefox os is a ported unofficial version
[18:20] <ukbeast> hey bill
[18:20] <ruliezz> @jose really?
[18:21] <jose> ruliezz: yep (no need to put the @)
[18:21] <ruliezz> uhmm, so there is no support for whatsapp or spotify
[18:21] <ruliezz> uhmm bad news
[18:21] <ruliezz> and how is Ubuntu Phone doing?
[18:21] <daker> QUESTION: when the browser-app will receive the next major design update
[18:21] <savino_> Grome works not fine on ubuntu this i have see last weeks
[18:21] <waagbo> Question: Has Ubuntu/Canonical ever cooperated with the NSA or the US government regarding security?
[18:21] <ruliezz> :D
[18:22] <apt-get_install> waagbo: even if they would, they wouldn't admit it
[18:22] <belkinsa> ruliezz, you can use tab to quickly fill in someones nick after the first letter or two.  ;)
[18:22] <apt-get_install> the binaties CAN have backdoors, that's just the reality
[18:22] <apt-get_install> *binaries
[18:22] <ruliezz> belkinsa:  thanks that was new for me
[18:22] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[18:24] <smith> explian security features.
[18:24] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Is the development of the mail app on Ubuntu Touch also in development for the desktop?
[18:24] <belkinsa> It that make sense?
[18:24] <beuno> I am going to drop off in a few minutes
[18:24] <ruliezz> beuno: why?
[18:24] <belkinsa> If the mail app is Evolution.
[18:25] <SangeetKhatri> QUESTION : Will Ubuntu Phone's browser support extensions?
[18:26] <dipak> Will there be any essensial update on unity in Trusty
[18:26] <belkinsa> Please use QUESTION, dipak
[18:26] <ruliezz> the streaming is dead
[18:27] <ukbeast> is connection working?
[18:27] <belkinsa> Stream dead?
[18:27] <ruliezz> ukbeast: dead
[18:27] <apt-get_install> It's dead.
[18:27] <apt-get_install> :(
[18:27] <ruliezz> :'(
[18:27] <marcoceppi> should still be streaming
[18:27] <belkinsa> F5 the page
[18:27] <ukbeast> F5?
[18:27] <belkinsa> Refresh
[18:27] <SangeetKhatri> is it just me or everyone? The stream is down.
[18:27] <same> did the stream die for anyone else?
[18:27] <same> yeah
[18:27] <ruliezz> F5 is working
[18:27] <gorgeous_george> refresh
[18:27] <azarot> stream is fine here :|
[18:28] <dipak> QUESTION: Will there be any essensial update on unity in Trusty?
[18:28] <ruliezz> iss broken again
[18:28] <belkinsa> Stream issues!!!
[18:28] <PaulW2U> refresh worked but gone again :(
[18:28] <belkinsa> For a bit
[18:28] <ukbeast> This live?
[18:28] <marcoceppi> yes
[18:28] <same> ukbeast: yeah
[18:28] <ruliezz> yes but streaming is dead
[18:28] <SangeetKhatri> Broken stream is the worst thing that could happen during a live online show.
[18:28] <ukbeast> thanks
[18:28] <same> stream's back
[18:29] <gorgeous_george> It's back online...
[18:29] <same> use emacs as the default mail app
[18:29] <SackLunch94[DAL]> Thunderbird is all you need
[18:29] <ruliezz> same: hahaha
[18:30] <apt-get_install> same: lol
[18:30] <belkinsa> It's stable now
[18:30] <mhall119> SangeetKhatri: it should be recorded so you want watch later any parts that were missed in the live stream
[18:30] <apt-get_install> @same: Vim is better!!
[18:30] <same> stream's back
[18:30] <same> apt-get_install: get back to me when it can send mail :PP
[18:30] <belkinsa> Yes, Thunderbid.
[18:31] <micah2> I had to re-open the stream
[18:31] <micah2> but it's working for me now
[18:31] <SangeetKhatri> @Miachel : You are really bad at pronouncing my name. :D
[18:31] <mhall119> sorry :(
[18:31]  * mhall119 blames his upbringing
[18:31] <apt-get_install> same: just write to stdout and pipe to sendmail?
[18:31] <apt-get_install> MUCH better than a stupod GUI
[18:32] <ruliezz> dont speak so fast
[18:32] <ukbeast> AND way better than pacman
[18:32] <ukbeast> eww
[18:32] <belkinsa> SangeetKhatri, please use mhall119 to catch his attention.
[18:32] <Nika> What is this all about ????
[18:33] <mhall119> Nika: general update
[18:33] <belkinsa> Agreed with ruliezz.
[18:33] <gorgeous_george> QUESTION: What will the default 'maps' application for Ubuntu touch based on; OpenStreetMap or GoogleMaps?
[18:34] <ruliezz> QUESTION: dont speak so fast... slow an clear is better :D
[18:34] <SangeetKhatri> His accent is also quite difficult to grasp for me.
[18:34] <belkinsa> Yeah, is he French?
[18:34] <mhall119> yes
[18:34] <ruliezz> SangeetKhatri: agreet, frensch?
[18:34] <ruliezz> haha
[18:35] <ruliezz> i dont understand ;)
[18:35] <mhall119> listen on youtube later
[18:35] <ruliezz> parler pas si vite
[18:36] <didrocks> ruliezz: j'essaie :)
[18:36] <ruliezz> didrocks:  ok, mais il est très clair désolé
[18:37] <ruliezz> didrocks: this is better ;0
[18:39] <gorgeous_george> thanks...
[18:40] <ruliezz> QUESTION: is there any planning avible online of what is planned?
[18:40] <azarot> GUITAR Yes !..!
[18:41] <alf___> does ubuntu still use Amazon Lens, if so why still?
[18:41] <belkinsa> Please use QUESTION:, alf___ .
[18:42] <alf___> my bad
[18:42] <jose> QUESTION: Will you still be supporting the Nexus 10?
[18:42] <belkinsa> Is it me or is hard to hear and understand him?
[18:42] <ruliezz> belkinsa: its bad
[18:42] <mhall119> jose: as didrocks said, Nexus 10 official support is being dropped
[18:42] <alf___> QUESTION: does ubuntu still use Amazon Lens, if so why still?
[18:42] <apt-get_install> QUESTION: What happened with the ideas behind Ubuntu Edge?
[18:42] <jose> oh, didn't hear that part
[18:42] <mhall119> jose: community support will hopefully take over
[18:43] <belkinsa> QUESTION: When will an image for Nexus 7 2013 for Ubuntu Touch be out?
[18:43] <didrocks> belkinsa: we hope by the end of month
[18:43] <belkinsa> Thanks!
[18:44] <ruliezz> nice!!!
[18:44] <ruliezz> static.ubuntu.com?
[18:45] <belkinsa> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[18:45] <same> ruliezz: status.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <alf___> thanks
[18:46] <ruliezz> same: super!
[18:46] <didrocks> ruliezz: was better at that speed? :)
[18:46] <same> ruliezz: np
[18:46] <belkinsa> ruliezz, you can always join teams that you can help team with your skills.
[18:46] <belkinsa> A good list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[18:47] <ruliezz> belkinsa: would be cool
[18:47] <yudestar> is there anywhere i can get video tutorials for openstack by canonical if not can you please consider creating some?
[18:48] <npm> Regarding previous mapping question: how about integrating Qt Mobility Maps ( http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/mapviewer.html ) working with backend OpenStreetMaps  or Google maps: ( http://xf.iksaif.net/dev/qtm-geoservices-extras.html )
[18:49] <popey> npm: nice
[18:49] <npm> :-)
[18:49] <popey> yudestar: one for marcoceppi
[18:49] <popey> maybe?
[18:49] <apt-get_install> QUESTION: Can you anser my questio about Mir/Wayland?
[18:49] <SangeetKhatri> QUESTION : This is kinda off-topic, but what does it take to be a developer at Ubuntu?
[18:49] <krwlng> QUESTION: Why cannot  resolve "ubuntu online accounts application" non-english language connecting problem?  We are reporting this issue since Ubuntu 11.04.
[18:49] <npm> QtMobility Maps have been a longstanding part of Harmattan and became a lost option once Nokia got Microsofized
[18:49] <gorgeous_george> Many thanks npm!!!!
[18:50] <marcoceppi> yudestar: We have a few wiki pages and a video or two, yudestar if you want to join #juju I can find them for you
[18:50] <npm> seems like a good option would be to use a different non-nokia backend
[18:50] <apt-get_install> SangeetKhatri: http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[18:50] <jose> apt-get_install, SangeetKhatri: nope, that's at canonical, let me grab a link
[18:51] <apt-get_install> jose: canonical develops ubuntu, right?
[18:51] <jose> apt-get_install: the community does too
[18:51]  * npm background on mapping -- would like to be able to port http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ to unbuntu (currently porting to Qt5) but the mapping capabilities I had on Harmattan are gone
[18:51] <same> QUESTION: how can volunteer programmers get involved?
[18:51] <npm> /s/unbuntu/ubuntu :-)
[18:52] <belkinsa> http://youtube.com/UbuntuOnAir and https://twitter.com/UbuntuOnAir for all
[18:52] <jose> SangeetKhatri: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Writing_Code
[18:52] <popey> same: http://developer.ubuntu.com/ ☻
[18:52] <yudestar> marcoceppi: could you please drop me the links<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:53] <same> popey: thanks!
[18:53] <popey> thanks everyone
[18:53] <didrocks> thanks guys
[18:53] <yudestar> thanks
[18:53] <apt-get_install> thanks
[18:54] <gorgeous_george> bye
[18:54] <threeofsix> QUESTION: Has there been any discussion about moving Ubuntu to a rolling release model?
[18:54] <belkinsa> Thanks for this update and the method of doing this.
[18:54] <sskrbec> Thanks everyone!
[18:55] <same> this was fun, thanks everyone
[18:56] <ruliezz> thanks
[18:56] <ruliezz> bye
[19:00] <Martin__> hi!!
[19:01] <jose> hey, Martin__, session is already over
[19:01] <Martin__> ok
[19:02] <Martin__> I think that ubuntu on air should be promoted earlier
[19:02] <jose> it is :)
[19:02] <jose> just make sure to follow us on twitter and subscribe to us on youtube
[19:02] <Guest75454> :(
[19:02] <Martin__> ok bye
[19:08] <ZehnMane> sup
[19:25] <blueadept_> QUESTION: I'm really happy to see the new option in 14.04 will allow global menu black/white lists.  the functionality most people seem to have requested is to have menu integration for fullscreen apps, but not for other windows....  will it be possible to do this with the new system.
[19:25] <felitin> hi...
[19:31] <felitin> I want to see Ubuntu free of Ubuntu One during instalation, remove Amazon integration and also mail applet to
[19:33] <blueadept_> QUESTION: I have been running Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4 since 13.10, I heard someone claim that some things cannot be updated over the air, should I wipe it and re install periodically or is this FUD.
[19:56] <Guest835> How old I should be to join to ubuntu for phone app developer community?
[20:05] <niteshadowhack> hlw can you read me now


[11:46] <davidcalle> mhall119, are you around?
[12:03] <mhall119> davidcalle: I am now
[12:03] <mhall119> let's get you set up
[12:03] <davidcalle> mhall119, in fact I'd like to talk about a particular bug.
[12:03] <mhall119> ok
[12:05] <davidcalle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/642132 This one, I'm concerned about it and I'd like to know if I can fix or help fixing it. (Nevertheless, I'd be more than happy to work on other bugs :) )
[12:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 642132 in summit (and 2 other projects) "openid nickname changes aren't handled (affects: 11) (dups: 6) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,In progress]
[12:06] <mhall119> davidcalle: oh that one is easy now
[12:06] <mhall119> we had to get an upgraded django-openid-auth package installed on the box, but it's there now, so we just need to add a couple variables to our settings.py
[12:07] <davidcalle> Great!
[12:07] <mhall119> in fact, it looks like the variables are already in the code, let me see what's in production
[12:08] <mhall119> ok, looks like we just need to deploy the latest summit code
[12:09] <davidcalle> Well, in this case... Which bugs on Summit need a hand?
[12:12] <mhall119> our most important ones now are bug #865378 and bug #855810
[12:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865378 in summit "Support pagination (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865378
[12:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855810 in summit "Error if meeting scheduled in two slots (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 11)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855810
[12:14] <davidcalle> Ok, I'd like to give a try at 855810
[12:14] <james_w> I caused that one, so I can help :-)
[12:16] <james_w> I think it just needs to catch that exception in the except block after the line of code in the traceback, but I'd want to look at the code around there and see if it should do something other than ignore the exception
[12:21] <davidcalle> *trying to understand the code*
[12:27] <james_w> yeah, it's not the easiest bit of code, hence me causing the bug in the first place :-)
[12:29] <davidcalle> :-)
[12:30] <davidcalle> I'm not really experienced with Django, I'm trying to figure out how every bits relate with the real world website ;-)
[12:32] <james_w> so this particular code is running to create the html for one of the little boxes on the track schedule
[12:32] <james_w> those boxes on the track schedule contain the room name, and this particular code is trying to create that bit
[12:32] <james_w> it's crashing when a session is scheduled in two places
[12:33] <james_w> so one option would be to spot that problem and not put the room on there, as there may be two rooms
[12:33] <james_w> another would be to pick the room for that particular slot and use that one, but I'd have to check the caching first to see if that would work
[12:34] <davidcalle> Ok, good clarification.
[12:35] <james_w> so, at the top of that method you can see it getting things out of the cache
[12:35] <james_w> the cache is only based on the meeting id
[12:36] <james_w> so it would be the same cache for both times if the meeting was scheduled twice
[12:37] <james_w> so if the rooms were different it would be wrong on one of those times
[12:37] <james_w> so I think that the simplest fix is the best one for now
[12:38] <james_w> which is to just catch MultipleObjectsReturned and ignore it, like it does for ObjectDoesNotExist
[12:39] <davidcalle> I was trying to find the name of the relevant exception. :-)
[12:40] <james_w> did you see the duplicate bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/860741
[12:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 860741 in summit "http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/foundations/ traceback (dup-of: 855810)" [Undecided,New]
[12:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855810 in summit "Error if meeting scheduled in two slots (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 11)" [Critical,Triaged]
[12:40] <mhall119> AlanBell: ping
[12:41] <davidcalle> james_w, no, I didn't
[12:41] <james_w> davidcalle, oh, sorry, should have pointed that out earlier, it has the traceback which may have helped
[12:43] <mhall119> james_w: when you have a chance: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/schedule-specific-rooms/+merge/79681
[12:50] <AlanBell> hi mhall119
[12:53] <mhall119> AlanBell: hey, I'm sorry to say I had to disapprove your MP for summit
[12:53] <mhall119> you had the right idea, but ended up doing way more work that was needed
[12:53] <AlanBell> ok
[12:54] <mhall119> I took some of what you had and worked it into a separate MP though
[12:54] <mhall119> ended up being much smaller, and should be easier to maintain
[12:54] <AlanBell> great
[12:54] <mhall119> I just didn't want you to think that I rejected yours out of some NIH syndrome or something
[12:54] <AlanBell> thats fine
[12:55] <mhall119> cause I really appreciate having you as a contributor
[12:55] <AlanBell> I could see there was "rooms" handling code in the track area, I kind of started from the show "one room" type of schedule
[12:55] <AlanBell> so yeah, not surprised there was a better way to do it
[12:56] <AlanBell> what is the URL structure you went for?
[12:58] <AlanBell> oh, I see :)
[13:07] <davidcalle> james_w, https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/summit/855810/+merge/79683 It's really a quick fix, thanks to you, but I will get started on other bugs asap. :)
[13:12] <mhall119> james_w: in david's MP above, do we want to skip showing the room name in the meeting div if there are more than one?
[13:12] <nigelb> mhall119: But we know you have NIH :P
[13:13] <mhall119> I do, actually, and I have to make concious efforts not to let it adversely affect me
[13:13] <mhall119> I used to be much, much worse with NIH
[13:42] <james_w> davidcalle, great, thanks
[13:42] <james_w> it would be great to have a test for it, but I don't know how much work it would be in this case
[13:43] <james_w> mhall119, I thought that's what it was doing, but are you asking if it is the right thing to do?
[13:49] <mhall119> james_w: I'm asking if it's the right thing to do
[13:49] <james_w> mhall119, I think it is due to the caching
[13:51] <mhall119> james_w: still, most likely both agenda items will be for the same room, so not displaying the room seems wrong
[13:51] <james_w> well, they may be different rooms
[13:51] <mhall119> instead of .get, can we do [0] and catch an IndexError?
[13:51] <james_w> it could check
[13:51] <mhall119> that way we can at least display the first room
[13:51] <james_w> but that's more work, so I suggested this
[13:52] <mhall119> my suggestion is the same amount of work
[13:53] <mhall119> just a suggestion, I'm not sure how often people are going to care about the room name for a multi-hour meeting on the track-view schedule
[13:53] <james_w> but will put the wrong room on the schedule some times
[13:53] <james_w> it's not multi-hour
[13:54] <james_w> it's one session with two agendas
[13:54] <james_w> so they may be on different days in different rooms
[13:54] <mhall119> oh, not sequential?
[13:54] <mhall119> consecutive I mean
[13:54] <james_w> yeah, it's not slots > 1
[13:54] <mhall119> ok
[13:54] <mhall119> I misunderstood then
[13:54] <james_w> if it was I would totally agree
[13:54] <mhall119> in that case, david's solution probably is best
[13:55] <mhall119> btw, I added a test case to my MP
[13:56] <james_w> cool
[13:57] <james_w> just on a call, I'll review them afterwards
[14:04] <mhall119> ok
[15:19] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston nigelb do we have a BP for this UDS ?
[15:19] <nigelb> yep
[15:19] <nigelb> want me to link you?
[15:19] <daker> yep
[15:20] <nigelb> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-summit
[15:20] <nigelb> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ltp
[15:21] <daker> that's all we have for LTP
[15:21] <daker> [chrisjohnston] Rename from LoCo Directory to LoCo Team Portal: TODO
[15:22] <nigelb> oh don't wworry
[15:22] <nigelb> we'll end up with pppleeenty
[15:30] <daker> mhall119,


[01:24] <eangulo> I am searching for devs so I came here. I have modeled a 32bit computer with logisim and have working pseudo-assy compiler. Thinking on next step I want to use a real compiler that, in this state of development, must generate my own pseudo-assy. Is that possible? See it working: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpXJ4YQjSkt5EWqJIXcYN9w
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> hello juliank ... feature request...
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> E: Type 'deb[trusted=yes]' is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please have apt working also when I forget to put the space? :)
[07:24] <LocutusOfBorg> or having a better error message might help too ;)
[07:49] <tseliot> slangasek, bdmurray: hey, can you approve ubuntu-drivers-common in LP: #1778011 , please? It's blocking my SRU.
[07:59] <andrewsh> jbicha: fwiw, that patch alone doesn’t fix all issues Unity has
[07:59] <andrewsh> but only the most notable ones
[09:06] <andrewsh> juliank: could you please remove old/unnecessary patches from wpa?
[09:06] <andrewsh> e.g. debian/patches/session-ticket.patch
[09:06] <andrewsh> or android_hal_fw_path_change.patch
[09:07] <andrewsh> or CONFIG_ANDROID_HAL
[09:07] <andrewsh> I don’t think Android support is used these days by anyone
[09:29] <realitix> Hello Ubuntu team. Can someone merge this patch for Xenial: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat8/+bug/1644144
[09:29] <realitix> Thanks a lot
[09:32] <rbasak> realitix: it can be done, but it looks like nobody responded to nacc's request to test his trial fix.
[09:33] <rbasak> If nobody can be bothered to test our work, then I'm not sure it's worth spending the time on fixing it.
[09:33] <realitix> I have a client that can test it
[09:34] <realitix> What is the procedure to test the fix ?
[09:35] <rbasak> Please use nacc's PPA that he linked in the bug.
[09:35] <realitix> ok, I will tell my client to do it, are you sure the ppa is for xenial ?
[09:37] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/tomcat8v2/+packages says Xenial
[09:38] <rbasak> Note that the current PPA version will be a downgrade and will undo security fixes, so use it for testing only
[09:38] <rbasak> If it is confirmed to still work, then it'll need rebasing on top of the security fixes
[09:39] <rbasak> Then tested again. And then we can look into releasing it officially
[09:39] <realitix> ok thanks
[09:44] <gpunk> bumblebee broken on ubuntu?
[09:48] <sarnold> gpunk: what bug number? perhaps someone can suggest something
[09:49] <gpunk> I dont have in mind the bug number, i am using 18.10
[09:49] <gpunk> i found it broken on 18.04 too
[10:20] <juliank> andrewsh: I don't know
[10:20] <juliank> LocutusOfBorg: um
[10:21] <juliank> LocutusOfBorg: We do need better parsers for everything in apt
[10:23] <juliank> andrewsh: The Android HAL is probably used by ubports
[10:23] <juliank> session ticketing patch idk
[10:23] <cyphermox> ubports?
[10:23] <juliank> Also we're frozen
[10:23] <cyphermox> it tended to be used for the phone IIRC.
[10:23] <juliank> cyphermox: yes
[10:23] <juliank> cyphermox: ubports are maintaining ubuntu phone
[10:24] <cyphermox> eh
[10:24] <andrewsh> juliank: session ticketing definitely not needed anymore
[10:24] <andrewsh> juliank: ubports could ship the patch themselves?
[10:24] <juliank> andrewsh: Does it do harm?
[10:24] <juliank> Is it wise to drop it weeks before the release?
[10:24] <andrewsh> juliank: umm… why ship extra patches with no purpose?
[10:24] <juliank> because we're close to release
[10:25] <andrewsh> mm, okay…
[10:25] <cyphermox> andrewsh: I tend to agree session ticketing is perhaps not needed
[10:25] <cyphermox> OTOH, if it's not clearly busted, we probably best avoid changing wpa
[10:26] <cyphermox> I'm no longer really in any position to test WPA enterprise, for one thing
[10:26] <cyphermox> oh
[10:26] <cyphermox> actually, that's not quite true, I could set it up at home easier now.
[10:28] <cyphermox> andrewsh: I'm +1 on dropping the patches when we're not frozen and after checking that the android HAL is no longer necessary (but I suspect it always will be, because android hardware tends to have half-baked badly written drivers with tons of missing features that make them unsuitable to being included in a real kernel
[10:29] <andrewsh> cyphermox: the bug in question has been fixed ages ago in a different way as I remember
[10:29] <cyphermox> ie. proper firmware loading, proper rfkill, etc.
[10:29] <cyphermox> ah?
[10:29] <cyphermox> re ticketing or android?
[10:29] <andrewsh> it's not android-specific
[10:31] <andrewsh> cyphermox: well, but if Ubuntu doesn't run on Android hardware anymore, and UBports build their own packages anyway, why can't they ship wpa with Android things enabled?
[10:31] <cyphermox> the android patch did use android-specific APIs to get/change fw path
[10:31] <andrewsh> (btw I do agree re freeze, I didn't know it is on now)
[10:31] <cyphermox> I don't think they do anything that isn't in the ubuntu archive?
[10:31] <andrewsh> oh
[10:31] <cyphermox> tbh, I don't know
[10:31] <andrewsh> I thought they run a separate packaging infra
[10:31] <cyphermox> fwiw, I'm not particularly proud of that patch, I'll be happy when it dies
[10:32] <andrewsh> oh, it was you who wrote it :)
[10:32] <tdaitx> cjwatson: I added you to 2 merge proposals (xenial and bionic sru) for initramfs-tools as it includes the sync change
[10:32] <tdaitx> wouldn't mind another pair of eyes looking over the old-dkms change as well if you happen to have the time ;-)
[10:32] <cyphermox> I prefer when the evidence of my ugly hacks don't stick around indefinitely ;)
[11:40] <mwhudson> cyphermox: just waiting until all current LTSes are EOL is hardly indefinite!!
[11:44] <doko> didrocks: you started with LP: #1709164, today I was called out to not process this further. Please could you follow-up on that, setting it to Committed if appropriate?
[12:31] <bluesabre> Is anybody familiar with how the live session gdm doesn't ask (and knows not to ask) for a password? I'd like to do the same with lightdm-gtk-greeter and xubuntu
[12:34] <jbicha> bluesabre: casper package, scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin , there is also an adjustment in 25adduser
[12:35] <bluesabre> jbicha: excellent, thanks!
[15:57] <teward> doko: jbicha: can you confirm whether exim (who technically owns PCRE2 supposedly?) supports PCRE2 over PCRE3?
[15:58] <teward> doko: jbicha: http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-devel/2018-September/011448.html is why I asked - I don't think PCRE2 is actually 'supported' everywhere...
[16:02] <jbicha> I'm not really working on getting old pcre out of main (and I would be surprised if that happened before 20.04 LTS), I just want the new pcre in
[16:05] <teward> jbicha: is there any reason to not have both in `main`?
[16:05] <teward> other than the headaches of "Which do we support"
[16:06] <slangasek> It's not a question of confusion over which we support.  It's a matter that actually supporting them costs, and we seek to avoid code duplication wherever possible.
[16:06] <jbicha> Ubuntu generally only has one of a "thing" in main but there are exceptions. So the question is whether pcre and pcre2 are the same thing or whether an exception is appropriate
[16:07] <jbicha> pcre does have a security vulnerability history so it is going to be some amount of extra work for the Security team
[16:30] <nacc> rbasak: i can rebase it at some point, if i'm reminded :)
[23:23] <tsimonq2> rbasak, bdmurray: In hindsight, I believe I politely deferred bug 1773811, but can I get some confirmation that these changes are not suitable for an SRU?
[23:23] <tsimonq2> (If not a violation of Debian Policy.)


[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:01] <crydotsnake-M> Merry Christmas to you all! 🎅🏼
 Not in the USA!
 wat
 timezone issues? XD merry christmas anyway :)
[21:07] <valorie> christmas eve IS Christmas, so happy happy to all who celebrate!


[12:30] <mdke> oh god
[12:30] <mdke> Alexander Jacob Tsykin is at it again
[12:30] <mdke> sending emails with "true" as the only addition
[12:33] <LaserJock> hmm
[12:34] <mdke> ffs
[01:30] <mdke> anyone got IE on them?
[01:30] <Burgundavia_> mdke, in just a sec I will
[01:31] <mdke> can you do me a screenie of http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki ?
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> yep, just a sec
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> ok, here is a good laugh
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> check out the editorial that says Sun should buy Canonical
[01:32] <Burgundavia> ugh, Windows
[01:32] <Burgundavia> so bloody blue
[01:33] <LaserJock> hmm, I would think Canonical buying Sun would sound better
[01:33] <Burgundavia> holy crap XP is unresponsive right after login
[01:33] <LaserJock> yep
[01:33] <Burgundavia> Mark is not rich enough
[01:33] <Burgundavia> "You need to update your flash player"!!!
[01:33] <Burgundavia> oh joy of joys
[01:34] <Burgundavia> where the F*** do I have to go so I can get out of this bloody os?
[01:34] <LaserJock> reboot, Reboot, REBOOT!
[01:34] <mdke> LaserJock loves it
[01:35] <mdke> he *loves* the windows
[01:35] <LaserJock> hmm, my mac is telling me I need to reboot as well :(
[01:35] <LaserJock> yah know, sometimes I have to sit back and realize, XP really does suck
[01:36] <mdke> yeah, man it really does
[01:36] <LaserJock> I get really spoiled running dapper
[01:36] <Burgundavia> mdke, sent
[01:36] <Burgundavia> firefox takes 2 seconds to load
[01:36] <mdke> LaserJock: if you wanna do one with safari too, go ahead
[01:37] <Burgundavia> all i have running is IE
[01:37] <LaserJock> I have all kinds of software at the click of a button, it is fast, I can do anything I want, I don't think we are competing with Windows, I think we are blowing it out of the water
[01:37] <Burgundavia> I have three different things telling me to update (flash, symantec and windows itself)
[01:37] <Burgundavia> we just need a fast and easy office suite and we are in the bag
[01:38] <mdke> anyone for opera?
[01:38] <LaserJock> no opera here, I'll get you a safari screenshot in a sec
[01:38] <mdke> ok, it looks good enough in IE for the purposes
[01:38] <Burgundavia> the only thing I saw was the color band
[01:38] <mdke> it looks pretty shit in dapper firefox, compared to epiphany, but then again, that's clearly not my fault
[01:39] <Burgundavia> madpilot can do Opera when he comes
[01:39] <mdke> Burgundavia: yeah, i think all the ubuntu websites have that problem on IE, don't they?
[01:39] <Burgundavia> likely
[01:39] <Burgundavia> honestly, who gives a shit?
[01:39] <mdke> quite
[01:39] <mdke> very well put, if I may say so
[01:39] <Burgundavia> they work and don't break horrible
[01:40] <mdke> yeah, ok so firefox and opera are the only ones to bother with really
[01:40] <Burgundavia> have we had someone check with konq?
[01:40] <mdke> oh yeah
[01:40] <mdke> and I'll check with yelp
[01:40] <mdke> ;p
[01:41] <mdke> damn, yelp doesn't do urls, sucks
[01:41] <mdke> anyone got konq?
[01:41] <Burgundavia> you might be able to launch it on the commandline with a url
[01:41] <mdke> no, it just calls gnome-open
[01:41] <mdke> (ctrl L in yelp works)
[01:43] <LaserJock> mdke: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/wiki_screenie.png
[01:44] <LaserJock> mdke: I've got konq, but I'm not sure how to get a screenshot in KDE
[01:44] <mdke> prtsc?
[01:44] <mdke> thanks for safari, looks ok
[01:44] <LaserJock> probably, just a sec
[01:44] <mdke> the occasional pixel goes awry but who cares
[01:45] <mdke> actually I'm quite tempted to try and import the pages, just for fun
[01:47] <LaserJock> mdke: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/konq_screenie.png
[01:47] <Rawh> hmmm
[01:47] <Rawh> wiki with logins :)
[01:48] <Burgundavia> when did we pass 3k commits?
[01:49] <mdke> this week
[01:49] <mdke> or last
[01:49] <mdke> another translation marathon to come on sunday
[01:50] <Burgundavia> may 10th
[01:51] <Burgundavia> it would make my life much easier
[01:52] <Burgundavia> I could waste more time at work on Ubuntu
[01:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:55] <mdke> so when you see Madpilot next, can you ask him where we are with the various book covers and admon icons and so on?
[01:56] <Burgundavia> mdke, you are as likely to see him on irc as I am
[01:56] <Burgundavia> email me
[01:56] <mdke> we can start getting that sorted soon, and if we're lucky everything will be ready for dapper, new website, new books, new wiki
[01:56] <Burgundavia> s/me/him
[01:56] <mdke> Burgundavia: no, I'm off to sleep :) I'll definitely email him in the next few days if I don't catch him
[01:57] <mdke> good night you guys
[01:58] <Burgundavia> night
[01:58] <LaserJock> cya mdke
[02:48] <mdke> robotgeek: here?
[03:30] <mdke> hey Madpilot!
[03:31] <Madpilot> hi mdke - long time no see
[03:31] <mdke> yeah, how's the house?
[03:32] <Madpilot> the new place is OK, fairly central for commuting and such
[03:32] <mdke> good
[03:32] <mdke> I'm terrified, I'm about to send this email about wiki licensing
[03:32] <Madpilot> asking everyone who's ever contributed to the wiki if they like the licensing idea?
[03:33] <mdke> yeah
[03:34] <Burgundavia> mdke, you spammer you. I got this email from you about this wiki licensing business :)
[03:34] <mdke> good news
[03:34] <Burgundavia> are you trying to extort money from me? I won't have it!
[03:35] <Madpilot> :D
[03:35] <mdke> Burgundavia: i also sell encyclopedias
[03:35] <Burgundavia> really? I need a set of those
[03:35] <mdke> and insurance
[03:36] <Burgundavia> got any land in Florida? I need some. Islands are better, as I just bought this english bridge. It was a great bargain
[03:37] <mdke> heh
[03:39] <mdke> bloody hell, it's still going
[03:39] <mdke> ah. done
[03:39] <Burgundavia> I expect it to take about 20 minutes
[03:39] <Burgundavia> or not
[03:39] <mdke> should have timed it
[03:39] <Burgundavia> php mailer takes longer, due to doing some mail merging as it sends
[03:40] <mdke> god knows how my mail queue is
[03:40] <mdke> it's probably all queued up
[03:40] <Burgundavia> http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=19050 <-- look FUD
[03:43] <Madpilot> mdke, I predict a lot of the messages will go straight to you, rather than to the CC email you mentioned...
[03:43] <mdke> I've already got like a hundred bounces
[03:45] <mdke> well, 75
[04:13] <mdke> meh
[04:13] <mdke> trying to help can be a thankless task sometimes
[04:23] <Madpilot> mdke, you've got complaints about the licensing stuff already?
[04:24] <mdke> some serious slapping around in -devel
[04:24] <Madpilot> WTF for?
[04:26] <mdke> no, that's an exaggeration
[04:27] <mdke> but they didn't like the idea that the email kinda says "if there is silence, we assume you consent"
[04:27] <mdke> logically, I suppose they are right
[04:27] <Madpilot> but practically, there's no other way to do it...
[04:28] <mdke> yeah
[04:28] <mdke> either that, or start from scratch with no material
[04:28] <mdke> which would be a waste
[04:28] <mdke> anyhow, changing the subject
[04:28] <mdke> Madpilot: where are we on book covers?
[04:28] <Madpilot> was wondering that myself
[04:29] <Madpilot> first of all, is the official name "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS" now, w/ the LTS added?
[04:29] <mdke> yeah, Long Term Support
[04:29] <Madpilot> OK
[04:30] <mdke> we had some nice covers from some art people
[04:30] <Madpilot> I'll update my cover SVGs accordingly - we've got one other candidate cover too
[04:31] <mdke> i can't find that other cover
[04:33] <Madpilot> just looking for the author's name myself
[04:34] <mdke> http://klepas.org/temp/ubuntu/ubuntu-doc-cover-front.png ?
[04:34] <Madpilot> yes, that's the one. I've got an SVG version of it too.
[04:35] <Madpilot> only problem with it is the "Dapper Drake" text - that'll need to go.
[04:35] <Madpilot> assuming it's chosen over my cover idea - I'll leave that up to the community
[04:36] <mdke> Madpilot: where is yours again?
[04:36] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/
[04:37] <mdke> i don't think the community is going to have a decisive voice on this
[04:38] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png <-- Ubuntu DG cover
[04:39] <Madpilot> well, not the community as a whole, but docteam and possibly artteam should have a say, I'd think
[04:39] <mdke> we don't have much time really
[04:40] <Madpilot> yeah, I know
[04:40] <Madpilot> robotgeek was working on a little script to pull the translated titles out of the docs so we can have translated covers too
[04:41] <mdke> i tell you what I like about the klepas one, is how the white makes the ubuntu logo stand out
[04:41] <Madpilot> yes
[04:42] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft2_CQsize.png <-- I added the white shape to this one
[04:43] <mdke> that's a bit too harsh a contrast i think
[04:43] <mdke> although I have no feel for what it would look like on paper
[04:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that last one, ick
[04:43] <Burgundavia> I still think the lots of logos looks busy
[04:44] <Madpilot> that last one was a bit of a hack, just threw the white shape into the existing design
[04:44] <mdke> their respective merits are opposites: the klepas one is subtle because of the colours, whereas the Madpilot ones are a bit more colourful
[04:45] <Madpilot> I like the bright orange, it's eye-catching ;)
[04:45] <mdke> Madpilot: i think we should leave it to you to be official producer of book covers
[04:45] <Burgundavia> I really like the klepas ones
[04:45] <Burgundavia> they are bold and simple
[04:47] <Madpilot> all that Ubuntu palette info along the left side of klepas' cover - anyone know where he got that? I haven't seen anything like it on the wiki...
[04:49] <Burgundavia> it is around
[04:49] <Burgundavia> the artworks pages have been under almost constant flux, so I have no idea where to findit
[04:50] <mdke> Madpilot: the other thing was those admon icons, do you think you would know how to get them at a higher resolution? just to see what will happen
[04:50] <Madpilot> hmm, I'd forgotten about them. I'll have a go this weekend
[04:50] <mdke> that would be great
[04:50] <mdke> I'm so damn busy atm
[04:51] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, i had forgtotten about it :)
[04:51] <Madpilot> it's a long weekend here, so I've got time
[05:05] <robotgeek> mdke: how did you email?
[05:05] <mdke> robotgeek: i'll paste it
[05:06] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/727629
[05:06] <robotgeek> oooh, nice.
[05:07] <robotgeek> i hope you did not send 4500 to community-council :)
[05:07] <mdke> no, I didn't send any to it
[05:07] <robotgeek> hmm, okay.
[05:08] <robotgeek> i did not know about import csv
[05:08] <mdke> spiv did it for me
[05:08] <robotgeek> cool
[05:08] <mdke> right, see ya
[05:08] <Madpilot> later, mdke
[05:09] <robotgeek> mdke: later
[06:04] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft3_CQsize.png <-- changed layout and some colours - thoughts?
[06:05] <mgalvin> so i started working on the release notes on the wiki... i find these types on docs are easier on the wiki so the devs have easy access to it too...
[06:06] <mgalvin> do you guys think it should be moved into docbook when done?
[06:30] <Laser_away> Madpilot: I got a timeout
[06:31] <Madpilot> Laser_away, on that image? try again, it should be working
[06:32] <Laser_away> hmm, still a timeout
[06:33] <Madpilot> it works here, not that that helps... :P
[06:34] <Madpilot> just a sec, I'll pastebin the thing
[06:37] <Madpilot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14326
[06:38] <Madpilot> Laser_away, ^^^ pastebin
[06:38] <Madpilot> at a reduced size, for sanity
[06:41] <Laser_away> Madpilot: I like it
[06:41] <Madpilot> getting rid of the Human brown makes it much lighter
[06:42] <Laser_away> hmm
[07:23] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I like it. I would lighten up the logo even more and maybe have it half off the page, ala the back of the ubuntu cds
[07:24] <Madpilot> I'll mock that up in a moment
[07:24] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, did the warbard.ca URL work for you?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:25] <Madpilot> wonder why it wasn't working for Laser?
[07:25] <Madpilot> odd
[12:20] <Madpilot> hmm?
[12:21] <mdke> hi Madpilot
[12:21] <mdke> just ughing at going to bed really late and feeling ughy in the morning
[12:23] <mdke> you were right at people replying to me about the licensing
[12:24] <Madpilot> any really irrational replies, or is it mostly just confused people?
[12:26] <mdke> not too bad actually
[12:26] <mdke> only about 10 replies, mostly favourable
[12:26] <mdke> one has insisted that he can't licence his personal page as PD
[12:26] <mdke> ;)
[12:27] <Madpilot> .... ?
[12:28] <mdke> dunno
[12:31] <mdke> Madpilot: that cover looks nice
[12:31] <Madpilot> thanks
[12:32] <Madpilot> I've redone the Kubuntu cover too, but haven't cranked out a png yet - tomorrow
[12:32] <mdke> lovely.
[12:34] <Madpilot> I need sleep - talk to you all later
[07:34] <mdke> highvoltage: yo. We need to have a chat at some stage about how BetterWikiDocs might effect the edubuntu documentation on the wiki
[07:36] <LaserJock> mdke: I talked to ogra briefly about that
[07:36] <mdke> LaserJock: aha
[07:37] <mdke> LaserJock: I need to watch Dr Who right now, but let's talk about it later
[07:37] <LaserJock> mdke: we have a short list of docs that could go on the help. wiki
[07:37] <LaserJock> mdke: np, highvoltage is probably better to talk to anyway :-)
[07:37] <mdke> an option would be to do help.edubuntu.org like wiki.edubuntu.org
[07:37] <mdke> bbl
[07:42] <Rawh> lalalalala beer lalalalala
[07:44] <tuxmaniac> Rawh: hmmm :)
[07:53] <cbx33> mdke, Laser_away I've been tasked with the wiki cleanup on the edubuntu side, would this affect me, ie is there anything ICan do to help?
[08:23] <Laser_away> cbx33: we just need to figure out what needs to get moved and what doesn;t
[08:27] <mdke> back
[08:28] <mdke> Laser_away: so, you think you guys are keen to move too?
[08:28] <mdke> hey Madpilot
[08:28] <Madpilot> hi
[08:30] <mdke> Madpilot: you still use opera?
[08:30] <Madpilot> yes
[08:31] <Madpilot> what's up?
[08:31] <mdke> Madpilot: can you make sure this theme looks alright: http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki
[08:32] <Madpilot> looks fine
[08:32] <mdke> good, thanks
[08:32] <Madpilot> there's a small problem with the tab positions on the top right, but all the Ubuntu CSS seems to have that problem in Opera...
[08:32] <mdke> oh
[08:33] <mdke> screenie?
[08:33] <Madpilot> sure. one sec.
[08:33] <cbx33> mdke, do you have access to the edubuntu front page too?
[08:34] <cbx33> ie to that webserver?
[08:34] <mdke> cbx33: no. But anyway I'm not sure what page you're talking about
[08:34] <mdke> the wiki?
[08:34] <cbx33> I just need someone with admin access that server
[08:35] <cbx33> I want to take a copy of the edubuntu css theme for drupal
[08:35] <Madpilot> mdke, http://www.warbard.ca/temp/help-ubuntu-in-Opera9.png
[08:35] <cbx33> I'm helping highvoltage fix it
[08:35] <cbx33> but he's not been around to give me a copy
[08:35] <mdke> cbx33: if you tell us what you're talking about, we can probably tell you who can help
[08:35] <cbx33> and we're supposed to have it done by the end of the weekend :p
[08:35] <cbx33> drupal www.edubuntu.org
[08:35] <Madpilot> mdke, notice that the 5.10 and 6.06 tabs are floating above the baseline...
[08:35] <mdke> Madpilot: yuck
[08:36] <Madpilot> mdke, all the Ubuntu sites do that in Opera. I've asked around, and nobody is quite sure why.
[08:36] <cbx33> hehe sorry highvoltage
[08:36] <cbx33> was just trying to get a head start on the css issue
[08:36] <mdke> Madpilot: that's pretty serious
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: ah, i meant to go to work today, but weather has been bad, so i'm going tomorrow morning
[08:37] <mdke> cbx33: yeah, highvoltage can help you
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: +/- 10am i'll get that tarball for you :)
[08:37] <highvoltage> hey mdk and Laser_away
[08:37] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage, no pressure
[08:37] <mdke> hiya
[08:37] <Madpilot> mdke, yes, but all the Firefox fanboys aren't too interested in fixing an Opera-only problem ;)
[08:37] <cbx33> just trying to fix it up
[08:37] <mdke> Madpilot: ahh
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: great
[08:39] <mdke> highvoltage: we were talking about the wiki move. At the moment it is taking with it everything with CategoryDocumentation, i wanted to talk about edubuntu related documentation, are you happy with it going too, or not?
[08:40] <mdke> Madpilot: well, if you find the answer, tell me and I'll push it into that theme, and bug henrik to fix everything else
[08:40] <cbx33> mdke, so this is everything taged with CategoryDocumentatino?
[08:41] <cbx33> mdke, I'm just in the middle of pulling together all LTSP related docs for ogra - UbuntuLTSP
[08:41] <mdke> cbx33: I kinda just said that
[08:41] <Madpilot> mdke, yeah, I've poked at it a bit before, but never gotten seriously into it. The wiki has so many CSS files in play it's hard to sort out what comes from where...
[08:41] <cbx33> cos they have been scattered everywhere
[08:41] <mdke> Madpilot: the tabs are "sisternav" in screen.css
[08:42] <highvoltage> mdke: yes, i am happy with it going on, if i understand you correctly
[08:42] <Madpilot> mdke, ah, thanks. I'll have a look later this weekend.
[08:43] <mdke> highvoltage: we could think about doing a help.edubuntu.org on the new wiki like with the current one, and a theme. Would you have any time for that? obviously broadly speaking the same theme would work
[08:43] <highvoltage> shees, 1200 new emails since i last checked mail (Monday)
[08:43] <highvoltage> mdke: that's a great sugggestion. i'm surprised it hasn't come up before.
[08:44] <highvoltage> mdke: i can arrange the infrastucture for cbx33
[08:44] <highvoltage> mdke: i'm sure he'd be willing to help out on that
[08:44] <cbx33> :D - sounds great
[08:44] <mdke> infrastructure?
[08:45] <highvoltage> mdke: as in... organise the subdomain in RT, get the theme there, etc. cbx33 can get the page content together and 'draw it up'
[08:45] <highvoltage> mdke: understand?
[08:45] <mdke> ok. The wiki is up on palmer and we're going to have it at http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[08:45] <mdke> help.ubuntu.com being static material as now
[08:46] <cbx33> bbl guys
[08:46] <cbx33> highvoltage, talk me thorugh it when I return :p
[08:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: return from?
[08:47] <mdke> highvoltage: so, we'll do some tests soon for migrating pages, the only thing is to make sure all the documentation is tagged with CategoryDocumentation
[08:48] <highvoltage> mdke: ok, can you tag a wiki page with more than one category?
[08:48] <highvoltage> (sorry if that's an ignorant question)
[08:48] <mdke> yes
[08:48] <highvoltage> i thought it might be good to tag a page as an edubuntu page
[08:48] <mdke> the categories are just done by searching the raw text for a word
[08:48] <highvoltage> but on the other hand, you can also find all edubuntu pages by doing a title search on "Edubuntu"
[08:48] <mdke> so any page with CategoryDocumentation anywhere in the text appears on the CategoryDocumentation page
[08:48] <highvoltage> ah, i see
[08:49] <mdke> evem in commented text, i think
[08:49] <mdke> even*
[08:49] <highvoltage> man i wish i had proper internet access
[08:50] <theCore> is it too late for submitting a cover art for the guides?
[08:50] <mdke> theCore: no, chat to Madpilot about it
[08:50] <mdke> -> dinner
[08:51] <Madpilot> theCore, give me a moment - real world interupt here...
[08:51] <theCore> Madpilot: okay
[08:52] <Rawh> *blinks*
[09:11] <Laser_away> Madpilot: I got a timeout on the opera screenshot, you sure you aren't blocking US IPs ;-)
[09:11] <Madpilot> theCore, OK, back. Have a look at this: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Ubuntu_Covers_draft1.png
[09:11] <Madpilot> Laser_away, AFAIK I'm not blocking anything
[09:11] <theCore> http://www.peadrop.com/images/pg-cover.png
[09:11] <Madpilot> Laser_away, can you get to any of my site at all?
[09:12] <theCore> Madpilot: oh, we are making a bundle with all guides?
[09:13] <Madpilot> theCore, I know we're going to have all three Desktop Guides, the Packaging Guide, and I think the Server Guide at Lulu - not sure about other stuff (Edubuntu docs, for example)
[09:14] <theCore> Madpilot: isn't "Linux for humans" slogan was removed from the branding?
[09:14] <Rawh> hmm, i doubt there's someone online who manages mirros ?
[09:14] <Rawh> mirrors even
[09:14] <Madpilot> Rawh, ubuntu's mirrors?
[09:14] <Rawh> there's something fishy obout a file i just mirrored
[09:15] <Rawh> in the releases direcory there's a symlink called 'releases' which links back to the current dir
[09:15] <Laser_away> Madpilot: nope, I get a timeout on http://www.warbard.ca/
[09:15] <Rawh> thats not usefull imho
[09:15] <Madpilot> Laser_away - merde. I'll open a ticket with my webspace supplier then...
[09:16] <theCore> Madpilot: I can see it
[09:16] <Rawh> Madpilot: same here, no problem with loading it
[09:16] <Madpilot> you both in the states?
[09:16] <Laser_away> :/
[09:16] <Rawh> im in holland / the netherlands
[09:17] <Madpilot> and theCore is in Toronto, it looks like. Odd...
[09:17] <theCore> Madpilot: nope, montreal
[09:18] <Rawh> hmm
[09:18] <Rawh> this really isn't usefull :
[09:18] <Rawh> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/
[09:18] <theCore> hehe
[09:18] <Rawh> i could go on and on
[09:18] <Madpilot> ah, OK. Your IP says toronto, that's all...
[09:18] <Rawh> my ip says that ?
[09:18] <Madpilot> no, theCore's does
[09:19] <Rawh> phew
[09:19] <Rawh> this remembers me, i should use irssi on our webspace machine... but then again, noone found out yet :)
[09:20] <Madpilot> Rawh, docteam doesn't have anything to do with the mirrors, really. Not sure which channel to suggest, though.
[09:23] <Laser_away> Rawh: you might be able to just file a bug and see what the archive admins say
[09:23] <Madpilot> theCore, about "Linux for Human Beings" - it's still at the top of the ubuntu.com main page, so I think it's still in use.
[09:25] <theCore> Madpilot: well, it been removed from the logo
[09:26] <Rawh> well there's a new channel for it
[09:26] <Rawh> but since i'm almost the only one in there... :)
[09:29] <Madpilot> theCore, you sure? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official still has the strapline versions listed, and Jane S. is pretty good at adding/removing material from the art pages
[09:42] <Madpilot> mdke, in case you missed it: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Ubuntu_Covers_draft1.png
[09:43] <mdke> v nice
[09:44] <mdke> yep, those would be perfect
[09:44] <mdke> what's the situation with changing the text?
[09:45] <Madpilot> no idea. We need to get robotgeek around - I seem to have deleted my copy of his little script
[09:45] <mdke> oh, maybe you can spread the words out a bit
[09:45] <mdke> move the logo up a lil bit, and the Docteam bit down
[09:54] <Madpilot> mdke, know anything about use of the Human Beings logo/strapline? theCore mentioned that he thought it was being phased out, but I haven't heard anything
[09:55] <mdke> Madpilot: no idea. I'd go with the artwork wiki pages
[09:55] <mdke> oh hang on
[09:56] <mdke> no, they certainly haven't abandoned "linux for human beings"
[09:57] <Madpilot> didn't think so, myself.
[09:58] <theCore> what about this? https://launchpad.net/bounties/all-linux-for-humans
[09:59] <Madpilot> that's a bounty that some user is offering, AFAIK, not Ubuntu/Canonical
[09:59] <theCore> ah, ok
[10:00] <Madpilot> "Registrant:  foolswisdom" - on the lefthand side
[10:00] <mdke> how inappropriate is it to use a bounty for that discussion?
[10:00] <mdke> muppets
[10:02] <Madpilot> I don't think any of the devs or sabdfl have even bothered to comment on it...
[10:04] <Madpilot> I don't think any of the "core" Ubuntu folks have bothered with that 'bounty', actually...
[10:55] <mdke> bloody fop
[10:55] <mdke> this morning, bookmarks were nice in the pdf files, now they don't work again
[10:55] <mdke> fop hateses me
[11:10] <Madpilot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14356 <-- front & back covers, slightly tweaked
[11:11] <mdke> brilliant
[11:11] <mdke> ok, so now we need to sort out the admon icons, and I need to sort out a couple of minor problems, and we're ready
[11:11] <Madpilot> the XFCE mouse looks like it's swimming on the back cover ;)
[11:12] <Madpilot> I'll have a bash at the admon icons in a bit - need lunch now
[11:12] <mdke> rock, I think i've figured out how to specify the appropriate size
[11:14] <Madpilot> should we put some copyright info on the back covers, or leave them blank? (I think lulu adds their URL & the ISBN, don't they?
[11:14] <mdke> Madpilot: I think leave them blank
[11:14] <mdke> lulu can leave it blank too
[11:14] <mdke> there is copyright stuff inside, after all
[11:15] <Madpilot> right