[01:06] <user_> Hello all. I'm trying to make an oldish computer usable to help kids learn to program with scratch.
[01:06] <herpy> What do you need help with?
[01:06] <user_> The specs are: Pentium III 1000 MHz 384 MB ram, 40 GB HDD
[01:06] <herpy> Lubuntu can use that
[01:07] <Unit193> Got a few people here running older ones, yep.
[01:07] <user_> I'm wondering whether this is enough to run comfortably Lubuntu, a web browser with Java and Scratch.
[01:07] <herpy> It should run fine under lubuntu
[01:08] <Unit193> What is Scratch written in?
[01:08] <user_> I'm presently running Xubuntu with this computer (the one I'm using to type right now!) but it's sluggish.
[01:08] <herpy> Lubuntu should run faster
[01:08] <user_> I believe is actionscript, but I'm not sure
[01:09] <KM0201> user_: i think it will run Lubuntu fine.
[01:09] <Unit193> Alright, well java might be the fastest, but should all work in the end.
[01:10] <user_> I've been told that Lubuntu is harder to configure than Xubuntu. What could be the difficulty ?
[01:10] <herpy> I will link you to a giude for after instillation
[01:10] <Unit193> Just a tad, and it's a little more file based config, but only with openbox.
[01:11] <herpy> I used fluxbox for a long time so lubuntu is like nothing to me XD
[01:12] <user_> This should be a system where the OS is out of the way as much as possible so that the kids can focus on Scratch.
[01:12] <user_> and not on tinkering with the OS.
[01:12] <KM0201> should be fine
[01:12] <Unit193> Well, I have it running like that for my dad, he's over 60.
[01:13] <user_> Hey! I'm almost there too! LOL
[01:14] <herpy> I feel young
[01:14] <user_> you might be, it's all in the attitude
[01:15] <herpy> 16 so
[01:15] <herpy> But I think I am mature for my age.
[01:15] <user_> My mom is using ubuntu and she's 83. The only thing is that when I ask her whether she likes it better than Windows she can't tell the difference!!! LOL
[01:16] <Unit193> You can join us in #lubuntu-offtopic as well.
[01:16] <user_> Ups. Sorry for going off-topic here.
[01:17] <user_> herpy: can you link me to the info you mentioned? Thxs.
[01:17] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ ?
[01:18] <user_> Thank you.
[01:18] <Unit193> He may have been talking about something else though.
[01:18] <user_> He mentioned a guide for after installation
[01:19] <herpy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880394
[01:19] <user_> I need to be able to add a repository to synaptic and to install java to a web browser.
[01:19] <KM0201> user_: those ar ethe best people to put on linux actually.. because 1. as long as they can surf the web , send email, maybe chat on occasion or upload pictures from their camera, they don't care what OS they use... and 2. because they are NOT tech savvy, they don't run the risk of being constantly exposed to malware, viruses, etc.
[01:20] <KM0201> the worst people to convert, are the ones who start using Linux, and the first thing they want to do is make it more like Windows (how do i run my Windows apps, in windows I do this.. why isn't it this way in Linux)
[01:21] <user_> Yeah, I found it was easy to switch her to Ubuntu. Especially because I was giving her the computer
[01:22] <GridCube> user_, ubuntu with unity or preunity?
[01:22] <KM0201> well and again, it's not a complex switch, when windows is totally confusing.. Linux will be no more/less confusing... it just won't be as vulnerable (which makes things easier for you since you're likely the support mechanism)
[01:22] <herpy> I used Windows till I was 12. Then converted to linux. Easy for my if I say so myself
[01:22] <user_> The next one is my brother. I'm not in the business of evangelizing people with Open Source software but I do it because I don't have to provide as much support.
[01:23] <user_> GridCube: pre Unity.
[01:23] <GridCube> :) i see
[01:23] <user_> I'm still uncomfortable around Unity. I know I've got to get used to it but haven't have the energy.
[01:23] <herpy> To tell you the truth I am not fond of unity, which is why I use lubuntu
[01:23] <KM0201> trust me, i've put several elderly people on Ubuntu.. they don't care about anything... it all works, they aren't getting viruses, they can shop online, they can send/receive pictures, and do some light web surfing.. thats all they want.
[01:24] <user_> I wish I could just install Knoppix on their computers.
[01:24] <KM0201> i'm not fond of unity either... i stopped talking to any of my friends who use Unity, because obviously they are insane.. :)
[01:24] <user_> It has all the eye candy they may want, runs fast, is easy.
[01:24] <KM0201> why knoppix? (just curious)
[01:24] <KM0201> well heck, if you want eyecandy, go Kubuntu
[01:24] <herpy> If you want eye candy go compiz
[01:25] <herpy> I got that running in lubuntu sucessfully
[01:25] <KM0201> lol
[01:25] <user_> herpy: with what kind of hardware?
[01:25] <herpy> My cpu is reletivly new
[01:26] <herpy> amd 64 bit with 4 gigs of ram
[01:26] <herpy> 1TB Hdd
[01:26] <user_> the eye candy is not for me but for my brother / mother, etc. People I want to help but don't want to provide support very frequently.
[01:26] <herpy> And an ati/amd fglrx graphics card
[01:26] <herpy> Then send them here
[01:26] <herpy> or the fourms
[01:26] <user_> Ahh, not the kind of specs for the computers I'm loading and giving away here.
[01:27] <herpy> if you want eye candy then go with the e17 windows manager
[01:27] <herpy> for low spec
[01:27] <user_> e17 under Lubuntu?
[01:27] <herpy> Easy to obtain with a simply sudo apt-get install e17
[01:28] <user_> Ok. Thanks I'll try that one too.
[01:28] <herpy> But that's if you want eye candy
[01:28] <user_> It's not cumbersome to admin?
[01:28] <KM0201> if you need really low spec, i'd look at crunchbang linux.
[01:28] <KM0201> (if it's still around)
[01:28] <user_> Eye candy not for me, for the ppl I want to help out.
[01:28] <herpy> I would not say so, I played around with it
[01:28] <KM0201> user_: you cant have eyecandy and low specs... you have to be realistic
[01:28] <herpy> CVrunchbang is still alive and well
[01:28] <herpy> Crunchbang*
[01:28] <GridCube> KM0201, #! aint really lowspecky actually
[01:28] <Unit193> KM0201: AntiX and slitaz are hard to beat.
[01:29] <KM0201> antix is good.
[01:29] <GridCube> slitaz is good too
[01:29] <KM0201> never tried it
[01:29] <KM0201> whats it based on?
[01:29] <GridCube> mmm let me check
[01:29] <herpy> If you want low spec then try either antix or go with Vector Linux which is slackware based
[01:29] <AngelForget> lubuntu is the best
[01:29] <Unit193> Slitaz is it's own.
[01:30] <user_> KM0201: thanks, I know for this computer I'm talking about I need something simple, unobtrusive. That's why I though of Lubuntu.
[01:30] <KM0201> i like Lubuntu, no intent to change, but he keeps saying he wants "very light but w/ visual effects", etc.. it doesn't go hand in hand.
[01:30] <KM0201> user_: oh ok, when i think "effects" i think compiz type crap
[01:30] <user_> for my relatives' computers I might need something better.
[01:30] <KM0201> user_: again, define "better"
[01:31] <KM0201> if they are the type that are going to be annoyed by Lubuntu's simplicity, they aren't gonna like Linux period and will be asking you to reinstall windows
[01:31] <Unit193> You can setup Lubuntu to be all shiny as well, 神癒礁湖 had a few good blog posts on different ways.
[01:31] <user_> better in the sense that the computer should have at least 512 MB
[01:32] <KM0201> well, explain exactly what you want to do on a machine w/ 512mb of ram
[01:32] <AngelForget> slitaz and Crunchbang* is no more update
[01:32] <user_> both my brother and mother just want the computer to use webmail, facebook and that kind of stuff.
[01:32] <user_> AngelForget: Thanks. good to know.
[01:33] <KM0201> user_: then explain to me why you need to bloat their OS to do those few things?
[01:33] <Unit193> AngelForget: Slitaz (while being offtopic) *just* released their new version, they're alive.
[01:34] <user_> KM0201: I don't need to bloat a thing. Users usually like eye-candy. I want to provide a good experience. I don't need to define good for you. Do I?
[01:34] <KM0201> no, of course not
[01:34] <KM0201> but.. my point is.. if you want eye candy, you have to be realistic in the specs of your machine
[01:34] <KM0201> if you have 512mb of ram, you can't expect to run a bunch of eyecandy
[01:34] <user_> I agree 100% with you.
[01:35] <user_> Low spec computer, great expectations. That's why I look for linux flavours.
[01:35] <herpy> If they want eyecandy that bad then get a refurbished cpu with at least 2 gigs ram on it
[01:35] <KM0201> herpy: exactly
[01:35] <KM0201> user_: thats exactly my point, using Linux, doesn't change the fact that eyecandy requires resources
[01:35] <AngelForget> are alive because many people think they make the best choice of having a system that is very light but then travano to have problems with the various components of the PC
[01:36] <KM0201> slitaz looks complex
[01:37] <user_> I think I've got what I was looking for and some more. You people helped me a lot. Thank you. Have a nice evening.
[01:37] <GridCube> it is, but i made it run on a pentium II
[01:37] <KM0201> hmm
[01:38] <GridCube> with 128mb ram
[01:38] <GridCube> :P
[01:38] <herpy> you too user!
[01:38] <Unit193> user_: Have a nice night!
[01:38] <Unit193> GridCube: Silly gridder.
[01:38] <GridCube> :P
[01:38] <AngelForget> lubuntu is run inside  pentium II
[01:39] <GridCube> :D
[01:39] <GridCube> awesum
[01:39] <KM0201> oldest machine i have is a 1ghz AMD, 1gig of ram.
[01:39] <KM0201> works very well.
[01:39] <KM0201> back in the day, i had a 700mhz laptop w/ 512mb of ram.
[01:39] <KM0201> 40gig hard drive i think
[01:39] <KM0201> but the motherboard went out on it.
[01:40] <Unit193> Might be a good idea to start checking that people have hardware compatible with PAE kernel.
[01:40] <GridCube> in xubuntu we got nonpae kernels
[01:41] <Unit193> Same here, but 12.10 they'll remove totally, so I hear.
[01:41] <GridCube> mmhm
[01:41] <GridCube> i wonder if this all are not topics for offtopic
[01:41] <KM0201> what do you mean, "nonpae"
[01:42] <KM0201> seems perfectly relevant to me
[01:42] <KM0201> i think to many people make a big deal out of "on topic" and "off topic".. if people are asking questions and we are just chattering, thats one thing
[01:42] <KM0201> but.. nobody is here asking a question
[01:43] <GridCube> KM0201, we use the standard kernel that does not force you to have a pae compatible system
[01:43] <GridCube> thus "nonpae"
[01:43] <Unit193> Some people don't ask questions if they feel they will break the current talk.
[01:43] <KM0201> oh ok GridCube
[01:43] <KM0201> Unit193: well, shame on them.
[01:43] <herpy> If you have a question then ask it
[01:44] <KM0201> i don't
[01:44] <herpy> that's my motto
[01:44] <KM0201> oh, exactly
[01:44] <KM0201> i totally agree
[01:44] <Maximoto> how do i set the date and time
[01:44] <KM0201> you can use ntp
[01:44] <Unit193> (Plus the other one isn't logged)
[01:44] <KM0201> it'll keep you adjusted to your locale
[01:45] <Maximoto> oh
[01:45] <KM0201> (this is helpful if you change for DST, etc..)
[01:46] <Maximoto> can i run windsow app on lubuntu
[01:46] <Unit193> You can using wine, but it's always better to find native progrma.
[01:46] <Unit193> programs too.
[01:46] <KM0201> wine is so hit/miss
[01:46] <Maximoto> i have wine but it doesn't seen to work
[01:48] <KM0201> what program?
[01:48] <Unit193> the wine appdb is also helpful.
[01:49] <Maximoto> wine
[01:50] <AngelForget> yes wine
[01:50] <AngelForget> is the program for runnig the windows sortware
[01:50] <KM0201> Maximoto: i mean, what program are you trying to run inside wine
[01:51] <KM0201> by the way, here's instructions to set your clock to the ntp server (i just typed them up for you)
[01:51] <KM0201> http://pastebin.com/7KqST9mJ
[01:52] <Maximoto> oh yeah the clock just updated itself funny huh
[01:53] <KM0201> ok
[01:53] <KM0201> what program are you trying to run inside wine?
[01:53] <KM0201> !appdb
[01:53] <KM0201> hmm
[01:54] <Maximoto> browsers, player, anything that is usrful
[01:54] <Unit193> !appdb
[01:54] <JITBot> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help
[01:54] <KM0201> lol
[01:54] <KM0201> wha thappened to ubottu?
[01:54] <Unit193> KM0201: Server down, it's a backup.
[01:54] <KM0201> oh ok
[01:57] <Maximoto> so can i get visualbox
[01:57] <KM0201> what is visualbox?
[01:58] <Maximoto> i saw it for ubuntu it can run any app you wise to use for any os
[01:58] <KM0201> well i never heard of it, but... any statement like htat, is bound to be false
[01:58] <KM0201> or do you mean Virtualbox
[01:58] <herpy> Virtualbox you mean?
[01:59] <KM0201> and even then, that statement is false when compared to virtualbox as well.
[01:59] <Maximoto> :D i guess so
[01:59] <Maximoto> what do you mean what does it do
[01:59] <herpy> Cause virtual box runs operating systems in a virtual machiene
[01:59] <KM0201> Maximoto: virtualbox is just a way to run two operating systems at the same time, but you hae to have the disks, etc.. to install the OS inside virtualbox.
[01:59] <KM0201> Maximoto: virtualbox.org
[02:01] <Maximoto> wow you people like to give links and my browser is crap but the INTERNET is fast
[02:01] <KM0201> Maximoto: what do you mean "like to give links".. if you want to read about virtualbox, thats where you read about it
[02:02] <Unit193> Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox"  in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free  functionality at http://virtualbox.org .  :P
[02:03] <Maximoto> Unit193: now that's what i needed to see.
[02:03] <Maximoto> KM0201: how can i?
[02:03] <Unit193> Cool, from the bot.
[02:05] <Maximoto> Unit193: so how do i get os to run in it
[02:05] <KM0201> Maximoto: you create a virtual machine, and run the virtual machine inside virtualbox
[02:05] <Unit193> You setup a virtual HD, and get a iso to install to it.
[02:08] <Maximoto> all nice, i would like to downgraded my 11.04 to 10.04 how do i, no good browsers available by the way
[02:09] <Unit193> Reinstall, that's the only way.
[02:09] <Maximoto> how do i
[02:09] <KM0201> Maximoto: no good browsers on 11.04? vs 10.04?  they both have the same browsers available
[02:09] <KM0201> what browser are you haing so much trouble with?
[02:10] <Maximoto> chromium
[02:10] <KM0201> weird, chromium works fantastic here
[02:12] <KM0201> Maximoto: i'm curious what maks you think going to 10.04 would resolve this problem
[02:13] <Maximoto> don't know but i need a os that use less ram
[02:13] <KM0201>  Maximoto how much ram does your system haver?
[02:13] <KM0201> *have
[02:13] <Maximoto> everything works fine expect the browser
[02:14] <Maximoto> 101MB sad
[02:14] <KM0201> 101mb? (like, 101mb.. or was that a typo)
[02:14] <KM0201> if thats the case, i'm amazed Lubuntu even booted
[02:14] <Maximoto> yeah 101
[02:15] <KM0201> well, i don't know what you expect Lubuntu to do about that.
[02:15] <KM0201> you don't have near enough RAM to run any modern browser
[02:15] <KM0201> thats not to do w/ browsers being crap, thats your machine being crap
[02:15] <KM0201> and with that little ram
[02:15] <Maximoto> yes
[02:15] <KM0201> you can forget running virtualbox
[02:15] <Maximoto> yes
[02:18] <Maximoto> KM0201: runs pretty fine to me... :) that's all that matters to me just need a good browser
[02:18] <KM0201> Maximoto: again, "good browser"
[02:18] <KM0201> no "good browser" is going to run on 101mb of ram
[02:19] <Maximoto> i will make one hahaha
[02:19] <Unit193> Maximoto: Best you're going to be able to do is elinks2, midori, or arora.
[02:20] <Maximoto> oh none aren't available i check it out
[02:21] <KM0201> i'm not sure i'd consider elinks2 "good".. i don't have any real experience with midori or arora
[02:21] <lancesrage> wow this place is quiet
[02:22] <Unit193> KM0201: I don't think I'd call any of those "good" at this time.
[02:22] <KM0201> lancesrage: that could be a good thing (things work so well, nobody has problems to discuss..lol)
[02:22] <Maximoto> lancesrage: that's what i said when i got here
[02:22] <KM0201> Unit193: yeah, i'm not familiar with the other two..
[02:22] <lancesrage> i do sadly :(
[02:22] <KM0201> lancesrage: well, we don't just sit in here and idle chat most of the time.. ask your question
[02:22] <lancesrage> *smashes face into keyboard*
[02:22] <lancesrage> k
[02:23] <lancesrage> i cant figure out how to partition more space to the windows partition
[02:23] <lancesrage> i have 4.7 free space and cant add it to the drive
[02:23] <KM0201> you'll need to boot a live cd/USB.. and use a partition editor to do that.
[02:24] <lancesrage> only problem i dont have the xp disk to fix it after wards
[02:24] <lancesrage> or a cd burner to make said disk
[02:24] <KM0201> but.. depending on your partition layout, this could be a massive PITA.. it might be easier, backup data your linux partitions, delete them, size your windos partition to the size you want, then reinstall Linux on the empty partition.
[02:24] <KM0201> thats probably what i would do.
[02:25] <lancesrage> dont have the linux disk anymore all my stuff got lost in my last move :(
[02:25] <KM0201> then you're SOL
[02:25] <KM0201> you can't partition a disk in use.
[02:25] <lancesrage> ikr
[02:25] <KM0201> or download/burn a new disk
[02:25] <KM0201> or USB, if you have a 2gig flash drive handy
[02:26] <lancesrage> i have tried the usb install before i never got it to work
[02:26] <KM0201> what do you mean "never got it to work"
[02:27] <lancesrage> following the instructions on the page for usb install the computer said there was no OS data on the device
[02:27] <KM0201> is your machine capable of booting USB?
[02:27] <lancesrage> yes
[02:27] <KM0201> cuz usually that error comes when you rmachine can't boot USB>
[02:28] <lancesrage> i wish ubuntu could play games :( i would never need windows again
[02:28] <KM0201> windows can play games
[02:28] <KM0201> *ubuntu can play games
[02:28] <KM0201> just not windows games
[02:29] <Maximoto> windows games ARE SO much cooler
[02:29] <lancesrage> ikr
[02:29] <Maximoto> i use to have NFS, GOW, and GTA
[02:30] <lancesrage> just guess ill have to ask a friend to burn a new ubuntu disk and wipe the hdd seems best atm :|
[02:30] <lancesrage> im trying to get allods online running again
[02:30] <lancesrage> but ran out of room on c drive
[02:31] <lancesrage> due to so many updates i have missed
[02:31] <Maximoto> what os are you running now
[02:31] <lancesrage> xp sp2
[02:31] <Maximoto> and you want to run? ubuntu
[02:32] <lancesrage> i have ubuntu as dual boot
[02:32] <Maximoto> but... wait what's your problem again? :d
[02:32] <Maximoto> :D
[02:32] <KM0201> Maximoto: he needs to give more space to xp.
[02:32] <M_Mynaarddt> Anyone here had experience making Sierra Wireless USB stuff work with Lubuntu?
[02:32] <KM0201> he needs a live cd/usb to do that
[02:32] <lancesrage> i need to add more space from a 4.7gb unalocated space to C drive in windows
[02:33] <Maximoto> KM0201: to reinstall it right?
[02:36] <Maximoto> lancesrage: yeah you need what KM0201 said
[02:37] <Maximoto> this games are so boring and cool games other than the games that come on it?
[02:37] <GridCube> Maximoto, games?
[02:37] <Maximoto> ah yeah
[02:38] <KM0201> Maximoto: yes, to reinstall
[02:38] <KM0201> well, reinstalling will be easiest
[02:38] <KM0201> or he can use the live cd/usb, booot it, and spend 27hrs relocating his current partitions
[02:39] <lancesrage> lol ill just wipe and reinstall :P
[02:39] <lancesrage> have to find a friend who can burn the disks i need from the isos i have
[02:39] <KM0201> lancesrage: youd on't need to wipe XP... just wipe your lubuntu partitions, resize your xp partition to the size you want, then put lubuntu back on the remaining free space.
[02:40] <lancesrage> i dont have te disk for it
[02:40] <lancesrage> usb boot is impossiable too
[02:44] <Maximoto> lancesrage: but you can boot from a cd
[02:49] <lancesrage> maximoto i dont habve the cd anymore and my computer does not have a cd burner
[02:49] <lancesrage> aaah he left :(
[07:49] <pAt_> I am testing Lubuntu 12.04 in a virtual machine since a while. I am wondering why the windows are always opened maximized. For example, when I open PCManFM, it always opens maximized. How can I change this behavier?
[07:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> make shortcut in homedir "exec= pcmanfm /path_to/folder" it open folder in new tab. how to open in the same tab?
[07:55] <Unit193> Was fixed in a newer version, rename .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml to something else
[07:55] <Unit193> See if that fixes it.
[07:57] <pAt_> Unit193, is this the answer for my question or for JohnDoe_71Rus's
[07:58] <Unit193> Woops, yours.
[07:58] <pAt_> ah thx, I will try it
[07:58] <Unit193> JohnDoe_71Rus: You placed a desktop file in a folder to make it easier to get around?
[07:59] <Unit193> If so, use a symlink.
[08:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> make *.desctop in home dir. with this comand and folder icon
[08:03] <pAt_> yeah, that fixed it Unit193 =)
[08:03] <Unit193> Great, I'm sure you figured out anything you changed will no longer be in there.
[08:04] <pAt_> yes, there is now a new lubuntu-rc-xml file
[08:47] <meet> how can i customize lubuntu environment?
[08:48] <smile> meet: what do you want to customize? :)
[08:48] <meet> like how to add icons to the desktop, remove some of the clutter on the bottom right screen near the power button, etc
[08:48] <meet> i want to make it as simple as possible. my mom is gonna use it. and i dont want her to complain that winxp is better than this :D
[08:48] <smile> meet: go to the applications menu, hover above the application you want on your desktop => add to desktop
[08:48] <smile> :)
[08:49] <smile> meet: to remove the clutter, right click => remove or something similar :)
[08:49] <meet> ok. smile i want your opinion.
[08:49] <meet> ubuntu 10.10 or lubuntu?
[08:50] <smile> lubuntu. it's easier than ubuntu 10.10 :)
[08:50] <meet> great. and will all ubuntu packages work here too?
[08:51] <smile> yes :D exept for the dropbox gnome-packages :) but you won't need that i think :) and syncing works.. just the integration (right click => share) is missing
[08:52] <smile> meet: additional questions? :)
[08:53] <meet> ok. and i have got .deb files on my laptop. so can i use them directly for the desktop installion. b'cos i have got a slow internet connection here and downloading all of them again will be a pain
[08:53] <smile> yes ;) they will work IF the dependency's are installed :)
[08:53] <meet> gr8!
[08:53] <smile> yeah ;)
[08:54] <meet> so dependencies mean the lib8 etc files right?
[08:54] <meet> and i suppose they are not too big in size
[08:54] <smile> the files who are needed by the .deb files to work properly = dependencies :)
[08:55] <smile> meet: which .debs do you have? :)
[08:55] <meet> mainly wine
[08:55] <meet> and chrome
[08:56] <smile> google chrome or chromium? :)
[09:01] <smile> meet: i'm here almost the whole day so if you have questions :D
[09:14] <meet> thanks a lot smile :)
[09:14] <meet> i got chrome
[09:15] <meet> the one with colorful logo :D
[09:20] <smile> meet: okay! :D
[09:23] <meet> where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center
[09:29] <meet> smile should i use wubi to install lubuntu alongside winxp?
[09:29] <meet> it will be easier right?
[09:30] <smile> meet: hmm.. i wouldn't do that. :p
[09:30] <smile> meet: if you have already windows, lubuntu installing in dual boot is easy. :)
[09:31] <smile> meet: "where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center" => maybe you want to look at packages.ubuntu.com (or .org, don't know) :)
[09:32] <meet> in dual booting does lubuntu install in the same drive as winxp
[09:32] <meet> because i am not comfy with partitioning and all.
[09:33] <smile> meet: same drive, another partition :) you can use gparted to prepare your disk OR you can use the built-in partioner (Lubuntu Setup) :)
[09:33] <meet> sry for all these questions. but i got c: and d: as two partitions. both of 40gb
[09:33] <meet> winxp on c
[09:34] <meet> so should i go with d: for lubuntu
[09:34] <meet> and will it erase all the existing data on d
[09:35] <smile> have you got enough free space on d:? :)
[09:36] <smile> It will erase all data, but you can make D: smaller and create an E: or F: ;)
[09:36] <smile> for Lubuntu :)
[09:37] <smile> @ meet
[09:37] <meet> and why not wubi?
[09:38] <smile> it's slower and in the past, i had more problems with wubi than a "native" (normal dual boot) install
[09:39] <meet> i just created a bootable usb for lubuntu. i will test drive lubuntu on that old machine. what all aspects should i check?
[09:41] <orangblume> jhello
[09:41] <smile> meet: if internet is working, if the desktop is loading properly (graphics resolution = ok? ) :)
[09:41] <smile> orangblume: hi. Questions? :)
[09:41] <orangblume> yes much
[09:41] <orangblume> over there in ubuntu channel they wont help me
[09:41] <smile> :(
[09:41] <smile> orangblume: i'll help you if i'm able to do it :) one question / time :)
[09:42] <orangblume> But first should i tell something about me:D
[09:42] <smile> okay.. :)
[09:42] <orangblume> well i never used linux before but for now i installed lubuntu. unfortunately there is nooo arial or times new roman
[09:43] <smile> orangblume: the ubuntu font looks very good. :)
[09:43] <orangblume> that may be but i have to use arial or tiems new roman
[09:44] <smile> orangblume: i'll try to help you :)
[09:44] <smile> (is trying something out)
[09:45] <smile> orangblume: i'm trying "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" - i'll let you know if it works :)
[09:46] <orangblume> yes cool
[09:48] <meet> hehe smile what do you do for a living? or are u a lubuntu developer or something?
[09:48] <meet> :D
[09:51] <smile> meet: lubuntu translator & experienced debian/ubuntu/linux mint user :)
[09:51] <smile> i'm not yet working :)
[09:54] <meet> would like to the job u r doing now, but unfortunately i dont have that much knowledge
[09:54] <meet> :D
[09:54] <meet> and lubuntu uses which environment?
[09:54] <smile> meet: LXDE :)
[09:55] <meet> lxde. ok. better than gnome?
[09:55] <smile> fast environment, better than gnome 3 :)
[09:55] <smile> lxde is a little bit better than gnome 2 :)
[09:56] <smile> gnome 3 sucks :| but that's just my opinion :)
[09:56] <NQTropic> I agree with smile
[09:57] <smile> NQTropic: Xfce in fall back mode is even better :o and that already sucks. ;)
[09:58] <meet> how much is recommended size of the partition i am going to install lubuntu should be
[09:59] <smile> meet: I would say +- 15-22 GB :)
[09:59] <meet> 15 is good? thats nice
[09:59] <NQTropic> I use 16Gb for / and then 2Gb swap and rest for /home
[09:59] <smile> yes. but if you want to install a lot of programs you will need more :p
[10:00] <NQTropic>  my / has 3.2Gb used
[10:00] <smile> meet: if you store all your data on your D and Lubuntu is on E or F, you will have enough space :)
[10:00] <smile> NQTropic: really cool isn't it ;)
[10:01] <NQTropic> smile, yes I prefer it
[10:01] <NQTropic> smile, downloaded the 10th April daily builde of 12.04 lubuntu, looks a bit pretier
[10:02] <meet> smile i am still thinking of wubi :D
[10:02] <smile> NQTropic: better than previouses daily builds? :)
[10:03] <smile> meet: you will encounter problems 9.9
[10:03] <NQTropic> smile, haven't tried others of 12.04
[10:03] <smile> meet: you can install Lubuntu in live mode, so that you can have irc (#lubuntu) open while installing :)
[10:03] <smile> if you need more help :)
[10:04] <smile> NQTropic: okay, i see. atm, i like Lubuntu 11.10 better (the theme 9.9 )
[10:04] <meet> smile I got 28 gb free on d: out of 40. how to partition it?
[10:04] <smile> meet: well take 13 GB off it :)
[10:04] <meet> the bootable usb did not work
[10:04] <smile> so resize it to => 27 GB :)
[10:04] <smile> meet: You used UNetBootin? :)
[10:05] <meet> yes
[10:05] <smile> meet: are you sure boot from usb is enabled in your BIOS? :p
[10:05] <NQTropic> smile, how quickly do you plan to move to 12.04 after release?
[10:05] <meet> yes. it checked the usb. and a error msg came.
[10:06] <meet> when i pressed enter it continued booting winxp
[10:06] <smile> NQTropic: Hmm.. once the 11.10 theme comes available :) (or i'll wait for lubuntu 12.10)
[10:06] <smile> meet: which error message? :)
[10:07] <meet> just a min will reboot and check
[10:07] <meet> Boot error
[10:07] <meet> smile
[10:08] <smile> meet: yes?
[10:08] <meet> Boot error
[10:08] <smile> :(
[10:08] <meet> nothing else. :(
[10:08] <smile> meet: you used the menu of UNetbootin to select Lubuntu 11.10?
[10:08] <meet> i really wanna try before i install it. because that way i will have a fair idea whether it runs faster than winxo
[10:09] <meet> no. i selected the iso of lubuntu
[10:09] <NQTropic> lubuntu runs faster than windows xp and later
[10:09] <smile> meet: try formatting the usb in NTFS and select Lubuntu from the menu
[10:10] <meet> but then it will download the iso from the net right?
[10:10] <smile> NQTropic: faster then Vista & 7, yes. XP without updates is also fast. :p
[10:10] <smile> meet: yes. try it on a computer with fast connection? :)
[10:10] <meet> not available :(
[10:10] <smile> :(
[10:11] <meet> can't i use the iso i downloaded from their site
[10:11] <smile> lubuntu.net you mean? :)
[10:11] <meet> ya
[10:11] <NQTropic> smile, fair call
[10:12] <smile> :)
[10:12] <smile> meet: hmm..
[10:12] <smile> 64 or 32 bit? :)
[10:13]  * smile is going to eat
[10:13] <AngelForget> 32 bit smile
[10:13] <smile> if you need me, i'm in #lubuntu :)
[10:13] <smile> back within a 30 minutes :)
[10:14] <NQTropic> if you need me..... don't hesitate to ask someone else :P
[10:15] <meet> 32 bit
[10:33] <smile> NQTropic: yeah, but they are all dead here :p
[10:33] <smile> ;)
[11:16] <leszek> hi
[11:16] <smile> hi :)
[16:03] <morri>  You know , I learnt one thing- My problem with Banshee that occurred yesterday definitely must have soemthing to do with the internet connection of banshee
 While my internet was off (happens sometimes for 5 min) I put banshee on, and disabled the Internet related functions it is working fine like that, so the bug must be somewhere in there
[16:20] <ogra_> hi everybody ... i'm working on ubuntu-arm and noticed that lubuntu-desktop is uninstallable due to a GLES audacious bug ...
[16:20] <ogra_> since it is unlikely anyone will fix that bug, it would be nice to either unseed audacious on both arm arches or to seed something that is installable for precise ...
[16:21] <ogra_> since arm is usually pretty low spec HW i think thats  a big field for lubuntu to settle on ... i'd happily change the seeds but want some input from someone in here first
[17:53] <pAt_> I deinstalled Abiword and Gnumeric. Abiword has disapeared in the menu, but Gnumeric is still in it. How can I get rid of it?
[17:54] <Unit193> Should be removed, but check if /usr/share/applications/gnumeric.desktop exists.
[17:54] <Unit193> May want to make sure it is uninstalled with   dpkg -l |grep gnumeric
[17:57] <pAt_> strange, Unit193: pat@UHU:~$ dpkg -l | grep gnumeric
[17:57] <pAt_> rc  gnumeric                               1.10.17-1ubuntu1                        spreadsheet application for GNOME - main program
[17:57] <pAt_> ii  gnumeric-common                        1.10.17-1ubuntu2                        spreadsheet application for GNOME - common files
[17:57] <bioterror> see
[17:57] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge gnumeric*
[17:57] <Unit193> Yep, that'll do it.
[17:58] <pAt_> thanks bioterror and Unit193, that was it. gnumeric-common was still installed
[18:20] <bioterror> pAt_, you're welcome
[18:32] <smile-in-love> bye! :)
[19:21] <micahg> gilir: please see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/12/%23lubuntu.html#t16:20
[19:23] <gilir> how can a music player can have a problem with GLES (which looks like more graphic than sound ...)
[19:24] <gilir> micahg, thanks, I'll add this to my next change to the seed
[19:26] <dermanne> hey
[19:27] <dermanne> is gnome-ppp preinstalled in LUBUNTU?
[19:29] <gilir> ogra_, do you have a bug report about this audacious bug on ARM ?
[19:31] <Unit193> dermanne: Nope
[19:58] <micahg> gilir: is there a reason why lubuntu-desktop isn't built on armhf?
[19:58] <micahg> err...lubuntu-meta producing lubuntu-desktop
[20:03] <gilir> micahg, probably beacause I didn't add this arch to the seed
[20:03] <micahg> gilir: the arch is added in the -meta package itself IIRC
[20:04] <gilir> I realise there was a new arch very late in the cycle, so I plan to add it after the 12.04
[20:04] <gilir> nobody complain about this lack until now :)
[20:05] <micahg> gilir: we've had this arch for ~5 months now :)
[20:05] <micahg> err.maybe 4 months
[20:06] <micahg> there was no build failure which is probably why I or someone else didn't notice/fix it
[20:06] <gilir> I know, I know .... :)
[20:06] <gordonjcp> hello
[20:06] <gordonjcp> how can I stop lubuntu from dimming the screen on my laptop when it goes to screensaver?
[20:07] <micahg> gilir: also, not sure what you're doing with gecko-mediaplayer, but final freeze is in an hour
[20:07] <Unit193> gordonjcp: I don't have it, but I'd think it's in the power settings, would make sense.
[20:08] <gilir> micahg, I may have time to test the fix posted, but I'm not sure if it needs a FFe for this
[20:08] <gordonjcp> I can't see anything in System Tools or Preferences that suggests power settings
[20:08] <micahg> gilir: FTBFS fix shouldn't need an FFe, the new version might though
[20:09] <Unit193> gordonjcp: Open a terminal and type   xfce4-power-manager-settings
[20:10] <gordonjcp> Unit193: aha, there it is
[20:11] <gordonjcp> thanks
[20:11] <Unit193> Sure.
[20:16] <meet> urgently help needed
[20:16] <wxl> meet: ?
[20:16] <gordonjcp> meet: don't ask to ask
[20:17] <wxl> gordonjcp: i don't think that technically happened
[20:17] <meet> ok.hi. i created a separate 20gb partition in windows to install ubuntu. so how do i select that while installing ubuntu
[20:17] <wxl> you mean lubuntu, meet ?
[20:17] <meet> ya
[20:17] <meet> lubuntu
[20:18] <wxl> for a dual boot then?
[20:18] <meet> yup wxl
[20:18] <meet> got winxp on c: and created a l drive from lubuntu
[20:18] <gordonjcp> wxl: :-)
[20:18] <wxl> you don't see it in the partitioning part of the install?
[20:19] <gordonjcp> meet: yeah, that should show up in the partitioner
[20:19] <meet> i am seeing 3 drives. but its all too confusing
[20:19] <wxl> what specifically do they say? you should have at least 2
[20:19] <meet> in installation type i selected advanced
[20:19] <wxl> and the third is probably a boot partition?
[20:19] <meet> no. the first one is. sda1 sda2 and sda3
[20:19] <gordonjcp> meet: have you got a thing that looks like this -> http://i44.tinypic.com/alok04.jpg
[20:19] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot may be helpful
[20:19] <meet> so sda3 is where i wanna install
[20:20] <wxl> you know sda3 is the right one?
[20:20] <meet> ya gordonjcp
[20:20] <meet> wxl yup
[20:20] <wxl> meet: so you should be good then? :D
[20:20] <meet> i created it of 20gb its showing as 20gb
[20:21] <meet> but how do i select it?
[20:21] <gordonjcp> meet: you should just be able to click on it
[20:21] <meet> in the list?
[20:21] <gordonjcp> what does it say in the "Used" column?
[20:21] <meet> 68mb
[20:22] <gordonjcp> so that's definitely *not* your Windows install then
[20:22] <meet> ya
[20:22] <meet> so i wanna install lubuntu on that partition.
[20:22] <gordonjcp> if you click on it, can you then click on "Change..."?
[20:22] <wxl> hahahah gordonjcp
[20:23] <meet> ya. like for example in the image u shown, i click on sdc1 and then click onchange
[20:23] <gordonjcp> you may want to delete the partition and recreated it, a wee shade smaller, so you can fit some swap space in there
[20:23] <gordonjcp> *recreate
[20:23] <meet> ahh..could u tell me in detail?
[20:24] <meet> from this screen how do i go about doing it
[20:24] <gordonjcp> well have you got everything important backed up from your Windows partition?
[20:24] <gordonjcp> or alternatively, if you break Windows how much do you care?
[20:24] <meet> not from the windows partition no
[20:24] <meet> i thought creating a partition and installing lubuntu their is possible
[20:25] <gordonjcp> tbh I'd start by backing up the Windows stuff that I absolutely couldn't live without, before messing around with repartitioning disks for any reason
[20:25] <gordonjcp> but anyway, if you click "Change..." on sda3, what options do you have?
[20:25] <meet> now i already did that through windows and created the 20gb harddisk
[20:25] <meet> so partition
[20:26] <meet> on clicking change- edit a partition
[20:26] <gordonjcp> right, good
[20:26] <gordonjcp> and what else?
[20:26] <gordonjcp> Use as: etc?
[20:26] <meet> new partition size in mb use as format the partition mount point
[20:26] <meet> ya
[20:26] <gordonjcp> how much memory have you got?
[20:26] <meet> ram? 512
[20:27] <gordonjcp> okay, cool, make your partition about 19G
[20:27] <gordonjcp> make it be ext4, and mark it for formatting
[20:27] <meet> ok so about 19000 mb?
[20:27] <gordonjcp> and make the mount point be /
[20:27] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:27] <meet> just a sec
[20:27] <meet> whats the remaining 1 gb for?
[20:27] <gordonjcp> swap
[20:28] <gordonjcp> the oldschool way is to use twice as much swap as RAM
[20:28] <meet> ok. so 19000 mb
[20:28] <meet> next use as?
[20:28] <gordonjcp> you've got a fairly small amount of RAM so you're going to want some swap
[20:28] <gordonjcp> how likely are you to stuff another 512 in?
[20:28] <meet> ok
[20:29] <meet> no
[20:29] <meet> highly unlikely :)
[20:29] <gordonjcp> oh incidentally the swapspace is used for suspend-to-disk
[20:29] <gordonjcp> and you want that
[20:29] <meet> not really. my moms gonna use it. so stand by will be cool enough
[20:29] <meet> no need of hibernation
[20:29] <gordonjcp> right, so you should now have about 1G left as "Unused" in the partitioner
[20:29] <meet> but still its good if i can have it
[20:29] <meet> wait wait
[20:29] <meet> i lagged
[20:30] <meet> use as?
[20:30] <gordonjcp> use as /
[20:30] <gordonjcp> meet: are you familiar with the way that disks are laid out in Linux?
[20:30] <meet> no just a sec
[20:30] <meet> ext4 journaling file system?
[20:30] <meet> format the partition? yes/no?
[20:31] <meet> mount point?
[20:32] <gordonjcp> right, use as ext4, format the partition (because VFAT is no use to you here), and the mount point is /
[20:32] <meet> gordonjcp i selected the options u told me and clicked ok. it says writechange?
[20:32] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:32] <gordonjcp> cross your fingers and hope the power doesn't go out
[20:32] <meet> come on!! dont scare me!!
[20:32] <gordonjcp> BANG!
[20:32] <meet> ok got a little bar on far right
[20:32] <meet> 1.2 gb in size
[20:33] <meet> free space
[20:33] <gordonjcp> yay
[20:33] <gordonjcp> okay, select it, do what you just did for / but make this be swap
[20:33] <gordonjcp> when you select "Use as:" to be swap, it won't give you the option to mount it
[20:33] <meet> but i am not getting the change option
[20:34] <gordonjcp> yeah, you want New... now
[20:34] <meet> ok so clicked add>create a new partition
[20:34] <meet>  size = full size
[20:34] <meet> location beginning
[20:35] <meet> use as > swap
[20:35] <gordonjcp> sounds good
[20:35] <meet> unable to select the mount point
[20:35] <gordonjcp> well, you don't mount swap
[20:35] <gordonjcp> so that's okay
[20:35] <meet> :D ok
[20:35] <gordonjcp> do you want a quick explanation of what's going on with all this?
[20:35] <meet> ok so i have got a tick on sda3
[20:36] <gordonjcp> yeah, that will be under "Format?"
[20:36] <meet> right after this? is it ok?
[20:36] <meet> ya but no tick on sda4 swap
[20:36] <gordonjcp> well you should now have something like "/dev/sda3 ext4 <tick> 18000MB"
[20:36] <meet> ya with a / under mount
[20:36] <gordonjcp> and "/dev/sda4 swap <no tick> 1200MB"
[20:37] <gordonjcp> yes
[20:37] <meet> perfect
[20:37] <gordonjcp> perfect, hit install now
[20:37] <gordonjcp> and wait for a while
[20:37] <meet> under used it shows unknown for swap
[20:37] <gordonjcp> what you'll need to do once all this has finished, is read up on getting it to dual boot
[20:37] <gordonjcp> yeah, that's fine
[20:37] <meet> ok
[20:38] <meet> device for bootloader installation?
[20:38] <gordonjcp> basically you know that Linux (well, Unix in general) doesn't use drive letters like Windows does, right?
[20:38] <gordonjcp> should be /dev/sda
[20:38] <meet> ya it showing the whole hard disk space in bracket
[20:38] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:39] <meet> ok clicked install
[20:39] <gordonjcp> so / is the root of the file system, everything else is below that rather like C:\ in Windows
[20:39] <gordonjcp> however, this is the big difference - if you stick in another disk, it is mounted somewhere in the filesystem
[20:39] <gordonjcp> so you stick in a USB stick, it's /dev/sdb
[20:40] <gordonjcp> that will end up getting mounted somewhere like /media/somelabel
[20:40] <meet> so there are no partitions?
[20:40] <gordonjcp> yes, there are
[20:40] <gordonjcp> but they're not assigned different letters
[20:40] <gordonjcp> you mount them somewhere in the filesystem
[20:40] <gordonjcp> a really common way to do it is to have a small partition, a biggish partition, a swap partition then a humoungous partition
[20:41] <meet> ya hard to digest it all in go
[20:41] <gordonjcp> so the small partition is mounted in /boot and contains files used to actually boot the system, the biggish partition is /
[20:41] <gordonjcp> the swap is self-explanatory
[20:41] <gordonjcp> and the humoungous partition is mounted as /home
[20:41] <meet> but where do i get to see the partitions in them?
[20:41] <meet> oh
[20:42] <gordonjcp> well now, there's a file called /etc/fstab - File System TABle
[20:42] <meet> is this method of partitioning more efficient?
[20:42] <gordonjcp> well it has its advantages; some old systems don't like to boot off ext4 filesystems but you don't need to care about why
[20:43] <gordonjcp> having /home on a separate partition keeps all your user data entirely separate, so if you decide to nuke the system and reinstall you can leave all your user home directories alone
[20:43] <meet> hm
[20:43] <meet> hey i am done
[20:43] <gordonjcp> or you decide that your disk is too small, so you hang a second disk off the machine and move /home across to that
[20:43] <meet> got a screen with no users or os suitable for importing from
[20:44] <gordonjcp> yeah, that's okay
[20:44] <meet> oops
[20:44] <meet> its installing again?
[20:44] <gordonjcp> yeah, it will do a few things first
[20:44] <gordonjcp> when it's done it'll want to pull down a bunch of updates too
[20:45] <meet> no but i did not select the install udpates option
[20:45] <gordonjcp> okay, don't worry about that
[20:45] <gordonjcp> you just need to do that when you're finished
[20:46] <meet> i hope it works better than winxp and faster
[20:47] <gordonjcp> meet: depends what you want to do
[20:47] <gordonjcp> meet: my mum is using normal Ubuntu on a P4 3GHz with 1G of RAM, with absolutely no problems
[20:47] <meet> as i told u.. my mom will use it mainly. so only browsing facebook mails recipe sites :D
[20:47] <gordonjcp> but then all she really uses it for is browsing the web, sending emails and downloading stuff off her digital camera and putting new tunes on her iPod
[20:48] <meet> so will lubuntu work on my config. 512mb 1.6ghz i guess p4
[20:48] <bioterror> yes
[20:48] <gordonjcp> yeah, should be fine
[20:48] <bioterror> add more ram and even better
[20:48] <bioterror> but I wont guarantee that flash videos will play smoothly
[20:49] <gordonjcp> two ticks
[20:49] <meet> ok. its stuck at the last stage of installation.
[20:49] <meet> no. cool
[20:50] <gordonjcp> meet: okay
[20:50] <meet> continue testing or restart
[20:50] <meet> i hope the grub stuff and all boot loader thingy is taken care of properly.
[20:50] <gordonjcp> Compaq nc4200 laptop, 1G RAM, 1.86 Pentium M, Intel i945 video, playing back youtube in Chromium in full screen quite happily
[20:51] <meet> should i restart?
[20:51] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:51] <gordonjcp> you're done
[20:53] <meet> yippie!!
[20:54] <meet> but i dont want to scare my mom with all the entries en the boot meny
[20:54] <meet> menu*
[20:54] <meet> grub customizer?
[20:57] <gordonjcp> hmm
[20:57] <gordonjcp> well stick the lubuntu one at the top and make the timeout really short
[20:57] <meet> wow it works 1000times faster than winxp
[20:57] <meet> D:
[20:57] <meet> :D
[20:57] <gordonjcp> it's quick eh
[20:57] <meet> yup
[20:57] <meet> thanks a lottttttttt gordonjcp
[20:57] <meet> :D
[20:58] <meet> i am loving this thing. the chat community
[21:01] <meet> do all ubuntu softwares work here?
[21:02] <bioterror> less or more
[21:02] <bioterror> what you find from the repository should work
[21:03] <gordonjcp> incidentally this is the video I tested it with -> http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qGHWZm0C-o
[21:03] <gordonjcp> oops, too many http:// s
[21:04] <meet> now that i have installed it what next steps should i take?
[21:04] <gordonjcp> run the updater, if you haven't already
[21:04] <meet> to make it completely working
[21:04] <meet> are updates that important?
[21:04] <gordonjcp> check you can still boot Ubuntu
[21:04] <gordonjcp> yes, very much so
[21:05] <gordonjcp> although Linux is inherently more secure than Windows for various excruciatingly technical reasons, it only stays that way if you keep it all patched up to date
[21:05] <gordonjcp> fortunately this is quite easy
[21:05] <meet> but once i updated linux mint on my laptop and the wireless stopped working
[21:06] <gordonjcp> go to System Tools -> Update Manager and follow the instructions
[21:06] <bioterror> 3.3.1 broke ath5k :D
[21:06] <meet> i dont want to mess up lubuntu lkewise
[21:06] <bioterror> if I remember right
[21:06] <gordonjcp> ah, yeah, Linux Mint, yes...
[21:06] <meet> so no such thing will occur with lubuntu right?
[21:06]  * gordonjcp keeps it CoC-friendly
[21:07] <gordonjcp> well never say never, but a lot of the Mint patches are distinctly iffy
[21:07] <bioterror> mint doesnt patch kernels
[21:07] <gordonjcp> generally Ubuntu as a whole has extremely good testing
[21:07] <gordonjcp> bioterror: that's kind of my point
[21:07] <meet> btw gordonjcp when will u be available again?
[21:07] <wxl> mint is yuck
[21:07] <gordonjcp> meet: I'm usually around GMTish daytime
[21:08] <meet> right now i am leaving its 3 in the morning right now :D
[21:08] <bioterror> I love mint chewing gum
[21:08] <gordonjcp> but don't just bug me for help, bug other people too
[21:08] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[21:08] <meet> wanted to continue with the initial setting up of the essentials
[21:08] <gordonjcp> well, what do you consider essential?
[21:09] <gordonjcp> man, sylpheed looks awful
[21:09] <meet> like wine and stuff
[21:09] <gordonjcp> I really really must get my bum in gear and do some work on my UI fixes for it
[21:09] <meet> also had to set up this computer on network
[21:09] <gordonjcp> meet: System Tools -> Synaptic
[21:09] <gordonjcp> meet: wifi or wired?
[21:10] <meet> ok will u be available on saturday this time
[21:10] <gordonjcp> wired should Just Work, wifi you need to click on the network symbol in the bottom right and stick in the key
[21:10] <gordonjcp> probably not, I'll be in the pub
[21:10] <meet> ok. is this channel always active?
[21:15] <meet> thanks a lot again gordonjcp cya cheers
[21:22] <wxl> yeah we're always here
[21:22] <wxl> tho somtimes busy
[21:22] <wxl> (case in point)
[21:28] <Myrtti> it's a gordonjcp. RUN!
[21:29] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: it's a crazy Finn!
[21:29] <gordonjcp> wxl: I'm tempted to banhammer everyone in a channel next time someone asks if it's active all the time
[21:29] <Unit193> You got the crazy Finn right....
[21:29] <gordonjcp> /mode +b (no, we're closed Sundays and Bank Holidays)
[21:29] <wxl> aw, it's better than other actions we've had …
[23:18] <twistolime> I'm about to try installing the latest lubuntu precise daily live cd, and read on the forums about an issue where choosing full disk install will fail. Does anyone know about this?
[23:18] <twistolime> What are the steps to take if this happens?
[23:33] <Unit193> May want to try #ubuntu+1


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[02:22] <mapps> still stuck with proxypass
[04:04] <mapps> gah this is so annoying
[04:05] <mapps> tried proxypass with ajaxterm and same thing
[04:05] <mapps> really got no idea what im doing wrong ;(
[06:02] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:04] <daftykins> g'morn
[06:05] <knightwise> hey daftykins
[06:05] <knightwise> how are you this morning
[06:05] <daftykins> not too shabby ta, and thee?
[06:05] <daftykins> just debating what to do with myself :D
[06:07] <knightwise> im ok , started the work week as usual :)
[06:07] <knightwise> been trying out the new 15.04 release in a VM but I can't get it working properly somehow
[06:07] <knightwise> after i log in ... i just keep seeing the login manager .. nothing more
[06:08] <daftykins> hrmm
[06:08] <daftykins> which virt tech?
[06:09] <knightwise> virtbox
[06:10] <daftykins> perhaps it's worth a dist-upgrade at a TTY if you can get one?
[06:11] <knightwise> so do a 14.04 and then do a dist upgrade ?
[06:13] <daftykins> nah "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the 15.04 VM
[06:13] <daftykins> presumably you had 3D acceleration enabled too?
[06:14] <daftykins> despite the name dist-upgrade just gets the latest of all packages
[06:14] <knightwise> ok , i'll check
[06:16] <knightwise> so this is going to be the distro where we can switch from the touch interface to the windowed interface .. right ?
[06:16] <daftykins> pass :D
[06:16] <daftykins> i don't even use desktop
[06:17] <knightwise> because this would be the ultimate thing to use on my Surface pro
[06:17] <knightwise> touch in tablet mode
[06:17] <knightwise> windowed when connecting the keyboard/mouse
[06:18] <daftykins> i found it a tad surprising people buying those and expecting to use Ubuntu
[06:18] <knightwise> mine works perfectly on 14.04
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:03] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:03] <knightwise> MooDoo: have you played with the touch interface in 15.04 yet ?
[07:03] <knightwise> i just installed it in a VM and I would like to see how to enable the touch interface
[07:04] <MooDoo> knightwise: no don't have anything touch capable
[07:04] <knightwise> I was thinking of installing it on my Surface pro :)
[07:05] <knightwise> looking forward to using the combo of touch interface / windowed interface on that machine
[07:08] <MooDoo> knightwise: should be ok on a surface, i'm just not keen on touch in general
[07:09] <knightwise> But do you get the option to switch between the touch/windowed interface in 15.04 or is that only for the phone versions of the OS , (its very confusing at the moment)
[07:10] <knightwise> so : without a keyboard/mouse = Ubuntu phone interface with scopes and stuff ... WITH mouse connected : Windowed interface ?
[07:11] <MooDoo> hmmm interesting though
[07:13] <knightwise> in other words : can i do THIS on my surface https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KNRzdeUaC4
[07:16] <daftykins> that guy needed his morning coffee before recording that ;)
[07:21] <knightwise> agreed , however .. is this what you can do when you download the latest beta ?
[07:23] <daftykins> the key part i get from that vid is he downloaded 'ubuntu next desktop'
[07:23] <daftykins> er Desktop Next rather
[07:26] <DJones> Morning all
[07:26] <daftykins> which sounds like an alternative image to standard desktop, but i'm not the best person to comment at all
[07:26] <daftykins> mornin' \o
[07:26] <DJones> popey: bigcalm: Might find this interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32051153
[07:27] <DJones> Jolyon Jenkins presents Minecraft: More Than A Game on BBC Radio 4 at 11:00 BST, 30 March 2015
[08:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:05] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka did you get the leaving managers job is that why you kept going on about it ?
[08:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: no don't think he's being replaced, sticking with what we have, and kept going on about it as was winding him up calling him a splitter :D
[08:08] <bashrc_> g'day
[08:08] <daftykins> hi
[08:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahaha
[08:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: :p
[08:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: I did exactly the same thing to Bacon, I change my person nick for him from Loserboy to Leaverboy not sure which wound him up more ;)
[08:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: cool :D
[08:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: well it Jono there was no way I was gonna be nice was there ;) First he splits LR then he Leaves the Country, then splits SOJ, then he leaves Canonical how long before he quits something else :D  He's just a Leaverboy ;)
[08:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: xsplit lol
[08:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! :-D
[08:48] <foobarry> "on linux you are limited to 6 downloading only 6 songs at a time". thanks amazon, its more than the 1 you allowed previoously, ...but why!>?!!  PIE RATS
[08:54] <awilkins> They take pie from the corporations! Arrrr!
[08:54] <awilkins> *squeak*
[08:54] <foobarry> looks like xfce mouse's goofy brother
[08:54] <davmor2> foobarry: Because they assume that Linux User Backup why would they ever need to download again :D
[08:54] <foobarry> it was an mp3 CD
[08:57] <foobarry> mind you, judging by recent us gov stats, linux users are the 1% still
[08:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: Are you insane, walking is exercise, that's bad for you for a start off, outside that's even more dangerous, I mean there a people so bugs, there is there big lightbulb in the sky, there are green thing that attack you...I think they are triffids, not to mention the hay fever it causes, no, no walking in the parks for me ;)
[09:01] <popey> Morning
[09:01] <foobarry> o/
[09:03] <DJones> davmor2: Sorry, you need to up the medication, you're hallucinating, there's no big lightbulb in the sky to worry about, its only the massive bolts of lightening that causes problems
[09:32] <davmor2> DJones: there is here I want to turn it off it's way more than 100Watts
[09:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:34] <dutchie> orning
[09:34] <dutchie> morning even
[09:34] <bigcalm> It's not that sunny
[09:34] <dutchie> it's pretty sunny here
[09:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: okay it's clouding over a bit but before I started work it was bright blue and sunny :P
[09:35] <bigcalm> It was sunny this morning on my drive in to Shrewsbury
[09:35] <bigcalm> But it's hazy now I think
[09:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: no it's not hazy that's just sun blindness ;)
[10:20] <knightwise> so .. Is there a possibility to install the "ubuntu-next" desktop on 14.04 ?
[10:23] <popey> unlikely.
[10:34] <awilkins> Ubuntu next ; can you customize the location of the dash button? Not sure why they moved it to bottom left (apart from i) tablets and ii) Windows)
[10:34] <awilkins> (comment based on a YouTube vid from December)
[10:36] <knightwise> popey: can you do it on a 15.04 ?
[10:37] <popey> its top right on desktop, bottom left on phone
[10:37] <popey> top left*
[10:38] <bigcalm> Maybe it being bottom left on the phone means that one has more chance of reaching it with on's thumb (right handed operation)
[10:39] <bigcalm> Lack of Skype and Google Hangout apps are currently stopping me from using the uPhone as my main phone. I'm sure the day will come though :)
[10:46]  * knightwise is confused about the whole ubuntu next thing.
[10:46] <knightwise> So this touch/windowed switching is not something that comes with Ubuntu 15.04 ?
[10:48] <popey> Every release of Ubuntu so far (since a couple of years) has shipped with Unity7 based on Compiz.
[10:48] <popey> The next release, currently on phones, and not ready for production on desktops is Unity8 (not based on Compiz)
[10:48] <popey> 15.04 will ship with Unity7
[10:48] <popey> There is a preview iso containing Unity8 for people to play with.
[10:48] <knightwise> aha
[10:49] <knightwise> and the unity8 is the one that switches you between a touch/fullscreen-windowed interface
[10:49] <popey> yes.
[10:50] <knightwise> so in essence you can try installing unity8 on 15.04 or 14.04 but its not realy ready for primetime
[10:52] <popey> Who said 14.04?
[10:54] <knightwise> me .. :) I'm running 14.04 on my surface pro
[10:54] <knightwise> so i was wondering if I could give unity8 a try
[10:54] <popey> 11:20 < knightwise> so .. Is there a possibility to install the "ubuntu-next" desktop on 14.04 ?
[10:54] <popey> 11:23 < popey> unlikely.
[10:54] <popey> feel free to build it and discover it breaks your setup
[11:01] <knightwise> ok , but if I install 15.04 I could give it a go ?
[11:02] <knightwise> although : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/unity-8-desktop-preview-session-14-04
[11:21] <knightwise> hey zmoylan-pi
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> saw the laziest rainbow over the weekend.  :-) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBRT225WoAAe92Z.jpg:large
[11:25] <knightwise> Lol :)
[12:45] <foobarry> which museum has stuff about the planets? science or natural history mus?
[12:45] <foobarry> or neither
[12:47] <MooDoo> natural history
[12:47] <MooDoo> http://nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/space/planets-solar-system/index.html
[12:47] <foobarry> i saw this but wondered if they have an exhibit
[12:47] <MooDoo> ah not sure
[12:47] <foobarry> i kind of assumed the science museum would have an iteractive exhibit with big planets and stuff
[12:52] <Sebsebsebb> Hi
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> they'd take too much space? :-)
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> jupiter alone...
[12:53] <Sebsebsebb> Popey ping
[12:56] <Myrtti> stupid arduino
[12:56] <popey> Sebsebsebb: pong
[12:57] <Myrtti> yay new email address \o/
[12:58] <Sebsebsebb> Popey how come certain settings change themselves back or don't go into effect on the bq
[13:00] <popey> Such as?
[13:02] <Sebsebsebb> Up checking sending diagnostics gets changed back to sending them after a while, after re booting I think to. What actually gets sent for that anyway saying  that wjhen the browser crashes for example
[13:02] <popey> bug 1437633
[13:02] <popey> known bug
[13:02] <Sebsebsebb> Oh
[13:03] <Sebsebsebb> Well what gets sent anyway?
[13:03] <popey> you can see yourself if you hit the "Previous error reports" button immediately below that
[13:03] <popey> it shows all the error reports your phone has sent
[13:04] <popey> It's what populates http://errors.ubuntu.com/
[13:04] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah but nerd access to see the contents it seems
[13:05] <popey> ah, yes
[13:05] <popey> same kind of data the desktop sends
[13:06] <Sebsebsebb> Which is?
[13:07] <popey> version numbers, packages installed, name of the program that crashed, date/time, cpu type
[13:07] <popey> maybe some other stuff I haven't looked at.
[13:08] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: the things you see in the crash file
[13:08] <Sebsebsebb> Where's the crash file?
[13:08] <popey> in /var/crash
[13:08] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: /var/crash same as on the desktop
[13:08] <Sebsebsebb> On the phone to?
[13:09] <Sebsebsebb> Oh there's a file system somewhere?
[13:09] <Sebsebsebb> File manager I mean
[13:09] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: the store
[13:09] <popey> in the store, yes
[13:09] <popey> or ssh in
[13:09] <popey> or adb shell
[13:10] <popey> or use the terminal
[13:10] <davmor2> or  terminal app
[13:10] <popey> jinx
[13:10] <Sebsebsebb> and var crash will have everything that was sent to errors ubuntu in text files or something?
[13:12] <popey> compressed files
[13:12] <Sebsebsebb> That can be opened with?
[13:13] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: a compressed file if you use terminal app you can use apport-bug to view it
[13:13] <popey> apport-unpack
[13:14] <Sebsebsebb> I didn't seem to come across a terminal app when looking at the store before but I'll look soon
[13:15] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: it gives the same kinda details as the desktop, so Version, app that crashed and stacktrace, iirc
[13:16] <Sebsebsebb> Another one is how I changed things to suspend after 10 minutes, but still switched after one even though then said 10 in settings, and yes the shipped ut version on bq, I'll upgrade soon probably
[13:17] <Sebsebsebb> Switched scree  off avove
[13:18] <Sebsebsebb> What's a stack trace
[13:20] <popey> sorry, rewind..
[13:21] <popey> "how I changed things to suspend after 10 minutes"
[13:21] <popey> what do you mean there?
[13:21] <davmor2> popey: lock screen when idle for x minutes I assume
[13:21] <popey> ah
[13:21] <popey> you should update :)
[13:22] <Sebsebsebb> Yes that
[13:22] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: in which case it sends the screen black after a minute to save on power but the phone isn't locked
[13:23] <Sebsebsebb> yeah but by default turns off sceen and number lock since I did that after like one minute
[13:23] <Sebsebsebb> But
[13:23] <popey> yeah, i have mine set to never lock
[13:24] <Sebsebsebb> I changed the setting to 10 and shows as that, but turns off screen suspends after a minute anyway
[13:25] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: the screen dim will happen after a minute but here I've tried 2 and 3 minute on both it is dim but still active till the time is up let me try 10
[13:25] <Sebsebsebb> And yeah isn't the shipped bq version like two versions behind the latest ubuntu touch version?
[13:27] <popey> well we've pushed out updates since the phones shipped, yes.
[13:27] <popey> another one due later this week or next
[13:28] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: again 10 minutes looks fine so far, screen is dim but active so not loacked
[13:28] <Sebsebsebb> Popey btw what's vivid in the earlier bug report another version of ut I assume maybe the dev even
[13:28] <popey> vivid will become 15.04
[13:29] <Sebsebsebb> Oh the code name for the next one ah yes
[13:38] <foobarry> i have a PAYE coding notice from HMRC
[13:38] <foobarry> it has "gift aid payments" on it which affect my tax code
[13:38] <foobarry> i can't work out whether that figure is the gross figure i have given to chairty or net
[13:38] <foobarry> anyone know?
[13:41] <davmor2> foobarry: you mean you don't know how much you've given to charity :D
[13:48] <foobarry> i do, they don't
[13:48] <foobarry> the figure is way out
[13:48] <foobarry> finally they picked
[13:48] <foobarry> up the phone
[13:49] <foobarry> the anser is yes gross
[13:49] <foobarry> how many times have you heard "i'm sorry i'm just having a few problems with my system"
[13:50] <foobarry> on a phone call to some public service
[13:50] <davmor2> foobarry: don't forget that might just be the amount of tax that was repaid to the charity
[13:50] <davmor2> foobarry: that's what the gift aid does
[13:50] <foobarry> davmor2: i asked her and she said its the gross charitable giving
[13:52] <davmor2> foobarry: yes, so if you gave 10 charities £120 each you would see the gross repayment on that so it would be like 30 or something
[13:53] <foobarry> no, the PAYE form shows the gross amount given to charity in the year
[13:53] <foobarry> give £1000 , you see £1000 on the form
[13:54] <foobarry> no idea where there figures came from
[13:55] <foobarry> would be nice to find out i've overpaid :D
[13:55] <davmor2> foobarry: from the charity donation forms you filled in
[13:56] <foobarry> the bulk goes to one charity, they would claim gift aid
[13:56] <foobarry> so if that was correct, you would see a more accurate figure
[13:56] <foobarry> it may be a figure from an ancient tax return
[13:57] <foobarry> but the figure is so low i don't think so
[13:57] <davmor2> foobarry: so I filled out a form for WHF I pay them £20 month, so they would send those details in and that would be on my tax slip, but don't forget it is only for the taxable year so might not have all the payments you made from january for example
[13:58] <foobarry> yep
[13:59] <foobarry> but lets say hypothetically i give 15% of my salary to save the badgers..every year
[13:59] <foobarry> then you would think somehow the figure might be accurate if they updated it using info corrlated from sources
[13:59] <foobarry> so i'm convinced they don't
[14:00] <foobarry> so badgers.org just tell HMRC, hey we got 5000 in gift air payments, please refuend us
[14:00] <foobarry> then its up to any friends of badgers to tell hmrc since not all will be high tax payers
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> you're a member of the badger liberation front?! :-)
[14:01] <foobarry> oh, save the badger is real :-|
[14:02] <foobarry> “We must not make badgers scapegoats for bovine TB”. Joanna Lumley
[14:02] <foobarry> beers are on me if this works anyway
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> all the current evidence is badgers have nothing to do with bovine tb
[14:06] <foobarry> i don't care about badgers much
[14:06] <Sebsebsebb> D
[14:06] <foobarry> except for breezy ones
[14:08] <Sebsebsebb> Davmor2 I installed the terminal app and opened and it asks to enter a password what password
[14:08] <foobarry> long gone are pronouncable code names
[14:09] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: your password, the pin or password you unlock your phone with
[14:09] <Sebsebsebb> I tried ok wrong pin
[14:10] <Sebsebsebb> Ok on it so how to see the log files I re opened this since earlier on a tablet
[14:11] <diddledan> artanoon
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> artery ok? :-)
[14:12] <Sebsebsebb> Davmor2
[14:12] <popey> Sebsebsebb: what's up?
[14:12] <popey> Sebsebsebb: technically #ubuntu-touch is the support channel for ubuntu on phones :)
[14:13] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah I know
[14:13] <davmor2> Sebsebsebb: apport-bug /var/crash/<bug>  then hit v for view
[14:16] <davmor2> Arthur Daily is that a cockney term for a part-timer?
[14:16] <awilkins> badgers : Have polarized my opinion of Brian May
[14:16] <foobarry> awilkins: its a black/white issue
[14:17] <awilkins> On the one hand, like the politics his "Common Decency" thing is emitting
[14:17] <awilkins> On the other hand, really, badgers?
[14:17] <awilkins> Animal welfare, yes
[14:17] <foobarry> he neesd to get out more
[14:17] <foobarry> but he has half man half badger
[14:17] <awilkins> Do I think animal welfare is incompatible with meat eating? No.
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> maybe it's the green m&ms for politically concious celebrities?
[14:18] <bashrc_> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/960/badgers.jpg
[14:18] <awilkins> Happy farm animals suffer less than wild ones, so vegetarianism increases animal suffering, on average, if you have a world with universal farm animal welfare.
[14:19] <bashrc_> should all animals be farm animals?
[14:20] <awilkins> Interesting, isn't it. If you're a vegetarian, presumably you'd be OK with all animals being in an Earth-sized wildlife preserve where the carnivores only hunt cuddly toys and get fed soy burgers
[14:21]  * zmoylan-pi can't wait to see the tuna farms :-P
[14:21] <foobarry> besides teh ethics, meat is tasty
[14:21] <awilkins> And we evolved to eat it just as much as any "natural" carnivore
[14:21] <foobarry> mumsnet is leaking onto my facebook
[14:22] <awilkins> We just developed ways of getting it that don't involve all that stressful (for the prey) hunting and stalking
[14:22] <foobarry> its gone from smacking is bad->timeouts are bad->..what next?
[14:25] <awilkins> WTH?
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> taking away their iphone is bad?
[14:25] <awilkins> Not obeying their will As Is Their Divine Right is bad?
[14:26] <awilkins> (Think of the children! Worship them and their will be done!"
[14:38] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no you need to be more evil than that change the wifi password
[14:39] <zmoylan-pi> no no, you can't expect parents to know how to do that. you sell them an automatic power timer to turn the wifi on and off at 5 minute intervals
[14:40] <foobarry> apparently timeouts do permanent damage
[14:40] <foobarry> so does putting your hand in the oven
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> my oldest sister was terrible at getting up in the morning and would need to be called multiple times.  my father grew tired of this and told her that tomorrow at 8am you will be up. the next day at 801am she was still in bed so he put tea towel in drip tray of freezer, pulled blanket off bed and dropped tea towel on her
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> she was never called more than once after that
[14:49] <moreati> oh, _that_ kind of timeout. I wondered why mumsnet would be discussing window.setTimeout()
[14:53] <aquarius> popey, bah. I was going to write a twitter bot which every time you used the word archive said "I think you mean 'repository'" and call it "condescendinglinuxperson" or something, but you don't say it often enough :)
[14:54] <popey> hah
[14:54] <aquarius> I agree completely with you, btw. :)
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> or constipatedlinuxperson everytime someone said suppository instead of repository :-P
[14:55] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: the ubuntu archive suppository
[14:57] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: what about when people say "umbunto" or "ubunut"?
[14:57] <diddledan> umbunto umbunto they drink it in the congpo
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> too orangey for crows... :-P
[14:57] <diddledan> congo**
[14:58] <diddledan> I hate when people use an O at the end of ubuntu
[14:58] <diddledan> like seriously, how difficult is it?!
[14:59] <zmoylan-pi> well it is a word that is completely unfamiliar to english speakers, kinda like when americans try to pronounce uk place names and get confused.  or like when british folk get caught on irish place names
[15:00] <foobarry> cead mile fait
[15:00] <zmoylan-pi> failté
[15:00] <foobarry> there's no way an english person can work ok the proper pronunciation
[15:12] <diddledan> I'm the only person on my mum's side left to marry, and the remainder of my dad's side are probably going to be wedded-off by the end of the year
[15:12] <diddledan> (my cousin got married on saturday)
[15:14] <elfy> hold out on that :)
[15:18] <foobarry> age?
[15:18] <foobarry> 35?
[15:18] <diddledan> mine or my cousin's?
[15:18] <foobarry> you
[15:18] <diddledan> 32
[15:19] <diddledan> binary
[15:19] <foobarry> i know loads of lovely single women
[15:19] <foobarry> and loads of single men, who should really speak to those women
[15:28] <mapps> got my phone finally
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> so extra dosh required?
[15:29] <davmor2> mapps: \o/
[15:31] <zmoylan-pi> a life of cats beckons... :-)
[15:32] <mapps> nope nothing
[15:32] <mapps> i just said it was a phone case/cover/sim adapters
[15:32] <mapps> he just gives it to me
[15:32] <mapps> last time when i had a phone case sent here they opened the box lol
[15:33] <mapps> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBWr6IJVEAA3C6N.jpg:large
[15:33] <mapps> just outside apartment
[16:13] <elfy> mapps: nice - sun ...
[16:17] <diddledan> sun would be nice
[16:17] <elfy> it would
[16:17] <elfy> more than a photo though :)
[16:17] <diddledan> aye
[16:18] <Myrtti> sun would be nice for my project
[16:18] <Myrtti> a bit difficult to test a UV sensor when it's so cloudy
[16:20] <Myrtti> I suppose I could finish sewing it now since the hardware and code has been proven to work
[16:22]  * elfy wonders at the connection between sewing
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> it's multithreaded :-)
[16:23] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:24] <Myrtti> elfy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/16328748833/
[16:25] <elfy> ahah
[16:26] <elfy> so zmoylan-pi was right :p
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder how the new kids computer will affect the wearable market
[17:03] <davmor2> Myrtti: that is a lot of press-stud for one board
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> when good boards go bad... :-)
[17:05] <Myrtti> davmor2: I actually ripped all those out and resewed them, some with one hole with conductive thread, some with some thin stranded wire soldered on
[17:05] <Myrtti> and if I had not doubled on some 3.3V and GND, I would have needed a lot more of them
[17:06] <Myrtti> a Piezo needs two connections, Neopixel three and the UV four
[17:07] <Myrtti> I could have combined all ground to one pad but they're actually working in holding the board in place too
[17:09] <davmor2> Myrtti: what you need is a crocheted sunflower with a motor that opens and closes the flower based on the sun level from the uv sensor :)
[17:10] <Myrtti> I try to keep this actually functional and useful :-D
[17:11] <davmor2> Myrtti: it's the equivalent of a barometer only prettier :D
[17:12] <Myrtti> but I've already got a RGB LED that changes colour and blinks the amount of UV that lands
[17:12] <davmor2> hahaha
[17:12] <Myrtti> I was thinking of adding a button so the LED can be used as a flashlight too
[17:13] <davmor2> nice 2 uses in one
[18:09] <mapps> oh god
[18:09] <mapps> someone suggested tennis after spinning
[18:09] <mapps> think id collapse
[18:09] <mapps> ;D
[18:10] <diddledan> spinning?
[18:10] <diddledan> as in whirling yourself around until you fall-over?
[18:11] <intrbiz> cotton spinning
[18:12] <mapps> cycling in a group;p
[18:12] <mapps> inervas and that
[18:36] <mapps> o
[18:36] <mapps> time for more proxypass fun
[19:24] <funkyHat> Spinning is what people do when they want to cycle but are too scared of cars
[19:27] <ali1234> they should do that at wimbledon, then i'd watch it
[19:28] <mapps> pfff
[19:28] <mapps> spinnings for athletes
[19:28] <mapps> ;p
[19:28] <mapps> its hard work
[19:29] <mapps> i only had 5 hours sleep too..had to get up early to collect phone


[11:10] <guillev> hi, I’m just an upstart newbie, I’m trying to configure uwsgi on an ubuntu 14.04: https://gist.github.com/guglielmo/38ec5f1b83f44ba0eb86,
[11:10] <guillev> service uwsgi start works ok
[11:10] <guillev> service uwsgi status, after that prints stop/waiting
[11:11] <guillev> service uwsgi stop tells stop: Unknown instance:
[11:12] <guillev> I know I’m missing something
[20:04] <ging> i am trying to alter the post stop script on an upstart job, i've made the changes, run initcrl reload-configuration but still it won't pick up the changes
[20:04] <ging> am i missing something i need to do?
[20:04] <ging> i have done that with the job totally stopped
[20:05] <ging> the changes i have been making are to a conf file in /etc/init/
[20:35] <ging> can you have both a post-stop exec and  a post-stop script? or would the script fail to run?
[20:37] <ging> ah think that was my problem, the script that claimed to be running never actually was


[13:52] <bogfoot> Hi all
[13:57] <bogfoot> Anyone know if ubuntu mobile is compatible with the EEE PC?
[14:08] <bogfoot> FUCKKKK!!