[13:28] <thafreak> what genius thought yeah lets get rid of desktop apps and switch to web apps...
[13:29] <thafreak> gmail in chromium is using like 7.7% of ram :(
[13:29] <thafreak> too bad not everything runs well in midori
[13:39] <thafreak> looks like firefox is the current least memory hog :/
[13:39] <paultag> yeah, lame
[13:39] <paultag> web apps are meh
[13:47] <thafreak> they'd be great, if not so ram hungry
[13:47] <thafreak> gimme a native gtk/qt/wx etc app instead
[13:47] <paultag> my internet is very spotty
[13:47] <thafreak> even python apps aren't that memory hungry
[13:47] <thafreak> that's even worse
[13:58] <thafreak> so, my code I wrote to catalog all my files...mainly to see how many duplicates I have scattered across all my machines...
[13:59] <thafreak> it seems very io heavy....mostly io wait time while running
[13:59] <thafreak> wondering if I should parallelize it a bit...
[14:00] <thafreak> would make it much more complicated...not sure how much faster it would run though
[14:16] <thafreak> nothing like downloading a single 500+mb binary executable
[14:35] <dzho> o.O
[14:44] <thafreak> you've never installed an open source project based on java?
[14:45] <thafreak> they package every single possible piece of software they may need and put it in a giant binary installer
[14:45] <thafreak> cause aparently only non admins install their crap
[14:46] <thafreak> and cause that's how you do it on windows...so that's gotta be the right way...
[14:46] <thafreak> i hate java based projects...
[14:47] <yano> me too
[16:39] <Cheri703> If I could get a desktop app that would give me ALL of the functionality of the web version of gmail, then I'd go for it. otherwise? I have yet to find a desktop app that meets my needs
[16:55] <paultag> Cheri703: I was working on one for a while, but I lost time
[16:56] <paultag> it was brilliant
[16:56] <Cheri703> I mean...labs functionality and everything...
[16:56] <paultag> yeah
[16:56] <paultag> I know
[16:56] <Cheri703> do eeet
[16:56] <Cheri703> I like the web apps because no matter what computer I am using, I can sign in and have EVERYTHING I need
[16:57] <thafreak> but you need a pc with >2Gb of ram if you want to check your email and do anything else on the web at the same time :'(
[16:58] <Cheri703> you can load the html only version?
[16:58] <thafreak> does it auto update and tell me i have new mail?
[16:59] <Cheri703> uhm, not sure.
[16:59] <Cheri703> what OS are you using?
[16:59] <thafreak> I might as well just have my tablet up as a third monitor just for telling me when I have new mail
[16:59] <thafreak> 12.04
[16:59]  * Cheri703 's phone is good for that
[16:59] <thafreak> on this pc
[17:00] <Cheri703> there are programs that are "gmail notifier" things...also I am running "desktop notifier" on my phone and computer, so any phone notification pops up on the computer for me
[17:00] <Cheri703> *desk notifier
[17:02] <thafreak> oh yeah...is that in the repos, or something external you installed
[17:02] <Cheri703> desk notifier is external the gmail notifier things are in the software center probably
[17:02] <Cheri703> desk notifier is via wine
[17:03] <Cheri703> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.elfsoft.desknotifier&hl=en has the download link in there for the computer application
[17:03] <Cheri703> it isn't the best solution, but it's a heck of a lot better than missing a call because I forgot my phone in the other room
[17:03] <Cheri703> I believe it's java based, so anyone who knows java want to make an ubuntu version? hint hint, anyone?
[17:05] <thafreak> screw java...i'm in an extreme anti-java mood atm
[17:05] <thafreak> alfresco is a pile of sh*t
[17:06] <canthus13> ....Nothing like going to power cycle your router... and finding it missing.
[17:06] <Cheri703> ?
[17:07] <canthus13> Cheri703: Just got a call...
[17:09] <thafreak> I hope they were calling because their internet was "out"
[17:10] <canthus13> thafreak: They were. I had her check the connections on her router as the modem was reporting the ethernet port being down, which usually indicates an unplugged network cable.... and the router was missing. now she's beating the truth out of her children, I Think.
[17:10] <paultag_> my internet box went for a walk
[17:13] <thafreak> paultag is now known as TEHTAG
[17:15] <paultag> I liked taggerdoodles
[17:16] <paultag> thafreak: so, I had ideas
[17:16] <paultag> thafreak: basically, I was trying to do what AMIs are for
[17:17] <paultag> thafreak: so, I think, I'm going to make a paultag-buildd ami, and use that, rather then this bootstrapping, apt-getting nightmare
[17:17] <paultag> only trouble is storing these will be like 5 bucks a month
[17:17] <paultag> bleh
[17:18] <paultag> I need a sponsor.
[17:19] <thafreak> $5/month? how big is your ami? 50gb?
[17:19] <paultag> 10, but I'll have 4 of them
[17:20] <paultag> I s'pose I could use 2
[17:20] <paultag> just for x86, another for 64 bit
[17:20] <thafreak> 10gb after its all compressed and split up?
[17:20] <paultag> I have no idea
[17:20] <paultag> I don't know what i'm doing
[17:21] <thafreak> when you bundle an ami, it compresses the disk img down and splits it into chunks and puts it in s3
[17:21] <thafreak> i'd say bundle one, and see how much space it really is first
[17:22] <paultag> cool
[17:22] <paultag> I'll do that
[17:46] <thafreak> grrr...wth man...i went to re-install this alfresco crap, cause I wanted to answer the questions differently
[17:46] <thafreak> and it didn't even prompt me this time...
[17:47] <thafreak> so I deleted all the files everywhere...did it AGAIN...still not prompting...
[17:47] <thafreak> POS!
[17:47] <thafreak> delete vm and start all over
[17:47] <thafreak> i really hate being a sysadmin...honestly...
[17:47] <thafreak> I think i'd rather a related job...
[17:47] <thafreak> like system engineer
[17:48] <thafreak> other people's software is garbage
[17:48] <paultag> all software is garbage
[17:48] <thafreak> especially if it's java...
[17:48] <canthus13> "What error message are you receiving?" "It ain't workin' or sumpin like dat.."
[17:50] <canthus13> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558170_10151129837142002_243904885_n.jpg
[17:50] <canthus13> McAfee broke the internet...
[17:59] <thafreak> what now
[18:00] <canthus13> DUnno.. but people with McAFee can't browse the web unless in safe mode w/ networking.
[18:01] <canthus13> I just refer 'em to McAfee. I'm not fixing it. :)
[18:01] <thafreak> why should you
[18:02] <thafreak> so I take it mcafee is one to avoid
[18:02] <thafreak> good to know
[18:02] <thafreak> i need to pick one soon for my in-laws
[18:02] <thafreak> currently using kaspersky
[18:02] <thafreak> might stick with it...might not
[18:02] <thafreak> considering uninstalling it all and just putting the microsoft endpoint thing on there
[18:03] <canthus13> McAfee screws stuff up pretty bad about every 2 years.
[18:05] <canthus13> Last time, they enforced secure connections... so much so that you could only access sites using SSL.
[18:06] <thafreak> which is good...as every website SHOULD be offering SSL
[18:11] <canthus13> Right, but since they don't, it's rather annoying.   I suppose sql has no grep function.
[19:21] <thafreak> it has regex...but that won't help
[19:22]  * canthus13 nods.
[19:22] <canthus13> SO... select duplicate values?
[19:23] <canthus13> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2594829/finding-duplicate-values-in-a-sql-table
[19:25] <thafreak> heh, yeah, that looks about like what I was looking for
[19:27]  * canthus13 eyes thafreak. "The google-fu is weak in this one...."
[19:30] <thafreak> meh, I didn't really bother google yet :)
[19:30] <thafreak> my lazyweb-fu is strong though ;)
[19:30] <thafreak> thanks canthus-bot
[19:30] <canthus13> :P
[19:58] <canthus13> haha.  http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ywb5o/confession_time_i_spent_an_entire_day_resetting/
[20:24] <thafreak> did her bf call you for tech support?
[20:28] <canthus13> That would have been awesome. :D
[21:35] <canthus13> I think I want this shower... http://i.imgur.com/9Ajj9.jpg
[22:37] <thafreak> canthus13: is it golden?
[22:38] <thafreak> you would probably have to use specific kinds of soap/shampoo as to not kill the plant life
[22:39] <canthus13> thafreak: yep.
[22:39] <canthus13> thafreak: could be done, though.  It'd be awesome to have.
[22:39] <canthus13> http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/08/25/scientists-successfully-hack-brain-to-obtain-private-data/#.UDqu2AMOjoI.reddit
[22:39] <canthus13> that freaks me out.
[23:20]  * dzho guess fmri
[23:21] <dzho> ok, guess I should look at the link.
[23:21] <dzho> huh, not even that fancy.


[02:01] <gnomefreak> good morning
[03:10] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have a few i need a hint
[03:11] <asac> sure
[03:11] <asac> gnomefreak: can you try https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/ubuntu.0.6.x.dev
[03:11] <asac> just branch + build + install and see if nothing works anymore :)
[03:11] <asac> its complete ... so you don't need an orig to test
[03:12] <gnomefreak> asac: can you look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8560865/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.ardour_1%3A2.0.3-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz  i found the file and the lines and tooltips is #include
[03:12] <asac> hmmm waita bit ... its not yet updated ... revision 43 is latest on dev branch
[03:12] <asac> what application is that gnomefreak ?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> ardour its a scons failure
[03:13] <asac> he?
[03:13] <asac> does ardour ship gtkmm sources ?
[03:14] <gnomefreak> yes atleast it has those dirs
[03:14] <asac> or what does it attemt to build?
[03:14] <gnomefreak> it builds locally
[03:14] <asac> thats not good
[03:15] <gnomefreak> libs/gtkmm2/gtk/gtkmm/toolbar.cc: In member function 'Gtk::Tooltips* Gtk::Toolbar::get_tooltips_object() const':
[03:15] <gnomefreak> libs/gtkmm2/gtk/gtkmm/toolbar.cc:522: error: 'const struct _GtkToolbar' has no member named 'tooltips'
[03:15] <gnomefreak> scons: *** [libs/gtkmm2/gtk/gtkmm/toolbar.os]  Error 1
[03:15] <gnomefreak> oops too many
[03:15] <gnomefreak> scons: building terminated because of errors.
[03:15] <gnomefreak> make: *** [debian/stamp-scons-build]  Error 2
[03:17] <gnomefreak> problem i found is that in libs/gtkmm2/gtk/gtkmm/toolbar.cc it includes the tooltips in it and later makes use of it but dont quote me on this but seems like a typo in that Tooltips* should be Toolltips
[03:17] <gnomefreak> maybe
[03:18] <asac> gnomefreak: did that package build before?
[03:18] <asac> or is it a new upstream version?
[03:19] <gnomefreak> i dont think it built this version yet
[03:19] <gnomefreak> it being the automated build services ubutnu uses
[03:20] <gnomefreak> ok its building
[03:20] <gnomefreak> back to looking at this
[03:21] <gnomefreak> wait a minute
[03:24] <gnomefreak> asac: you sadi i didnt need orig.tar for this builkd on n-m right?
[03:25] <asac> yes
[03:25] <gnomefreak> i branched build failed
[03:25] <gnomefreak> pretty badly too
[03:25] <asac> gnomefreak: its not up to date
[03:25] <asac> launchpad failed to sync
[03:25] <gnomefreak> will try to pull
[03:26] <asac> gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/nm.tar.gz
[03:26] <asac> download that instead
[03:26] <asac> launchpad is broken
[03:26] <gnomefreak> ok is this set up for bzr bd or normal build
[03:26] <asac> bzr or normal
[03:27] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing and setting it up
[03:29] <gnomefreak> brb
[03:45] <gnomefreak> ok building it looks like
[04:23] <gnomefreak> the issue with ardour is it only builds against gtk 2.10 and we are building on 2.11
[04:34] <asac> gnomefreak: look in ardour configure.in
[04:35] <asac> maybe you can tell it where to pull gtkmm from
[04:35] <asac> a.e. to use system gtkmm instead of in-source one
[04:35] <asac> that is most likely the reason for your build failure
[04:49] <gnomefreak> asac: cant really in -motu we have upstream devel for ardour and hes shooting down most of the config options
[04:50] <gnomefreak> ah looks like i can pull changes
[04:50] <gnomefreak> trying to build n-m again
[04:53] <asac> gnomefreak: wait another seconf
[04:53] <asac> gnomefreak: rev 45
[04:53] <asac> if you ahve that then its good
[04:54] <gnomefreak> now i do :)
[04:55] <asac> Jazzva: hi
[04:55] <Jazzva> asac: Hello...
[04:55] <asac> Jazzva: lets talk in public
[04:55] <asac> i hate typing /msg :)
[04:55] <Jazzva> asac: Ok
[04:55] <asac> well ... depends on what you want
[04:55] <asac> if you want to have pointers, ask ... but please ask specific things :)
[04:55] <asac> otherwise, just ask me when you want :)
[04:56] <asac> Jazzva: i am pretty after my students using bzr to maintain their packages ... are you familiar with bzr package maintenance?
[04:56] <Jazzva> asac: I will :)...
[04:56] <Jazzva> asac: Not really...
[04:56] <Jazzva> :/
[04:56] <asac> Jazzva: thats not a problem
[04:56] <asac> its straight forward ... maybe take a look at the wiki
[04:56] <asac> there should be information
[04:57] <asac> its definitly worth it ... especially since it makes reviewing your work lot more simpler
[04:57] <asac> if you publish them in bzr
[04:57] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, gonna take a look at it now. :)
[04:57] <asac> great
[04:57] <asac> Jazzva: so what are your main interests?
[04:58] <asac> Jazzva: so if I see a task pop up somewhere of which i think that it might be beneficial for you, I can present it to you :)
[04:59] <Jazzva> asac: Well, to give to the community as much as I can O:)... Specifically, I'm interested into packaging new programs that are still not in the repos. Also, I would like to fix bugs... As I have never done it before, I guess fixing packaging bugs would be ok for a start.
[04:59] <Jazzva> asac: Translations too, but I guess that's not in this "course" :)...
[04:59] <asac> Jazzva: ok ... i think its pretty good to explore each of these areas
[05:00] <asac> Jazzva: e.g. do each of everything ... e.g. look for bugs that appear to be simple ... try to fix the,m
[05:00] <asac> if they are packaging issues
[05:00] <asac> Jazzva: package /adopt a package here and there
[05:01] <asac> usually packages should go to debian though ... but I can sponsor them for you
[05:01] <Jazzva> asac: Hmm, I read about the way to send them to Ubuntu and then commit to Debian.
[05:01] <asac> Jazzva: would be really cool if you could help a bit on mozilla bugs though ;)
[05:02] <Jazzva> asac: How much do I need to know about Mozilla programs' structure :)?
[05:02] <asac> Jazzva: yes .. both directions are possible ... but if you package something new ... you should try to become debian+ubuntu maintainer
[05:02] <asac> Jazzva: not much
[05:02] <Jazzva> asac: Then I guess I could take a look
[05:02] <asac> Jazzva: you can focus on just a subset of bugs
[05:02] <asac> Jazzva: we have categorized them
[05:03] <asac> Jazzva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[05:03] <asac> Jazzva: just look at the mt-needtestcase and mt-needtester bugs
[05:03] <Jazzva> asac: As for deb&ubuntu maintainer, I was hoping to do something like that...
[05:03] <asac> Jazzva: if you could go through them and get them sorted out it would be of great benefit for our team :)
[05:03] <asac> mt-needtester bugs needs to be verified ... e.g. someone in bug claimed to have a testcase
[05:04] <asac> mt-needtestcase bugs need to be guided to get a testcase or if its not possible close them at some point
[05:04] <asac> there are links on the wiki page that give you a list of bugs that need this kind of work :)(
[05:04] <asac> Jazzva: ok cool ... if you need anything let me know :)
[05:04] <asac> i am always here ;)
[05:05] <asac> at least pretty often
[05:05] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, I'll take a look at bugs and bzr now :)... Thanks :).
[05:05] <asac> Jazzva: cool
[05:05] <asac> cu soon
[05:05] <gnomefreak> n-m looks like it was building before revo 45 now its failing
[05:06] <Jazzva> asac: Ok :)...
[05:06] <asac> gnomefreak: thats bull-shit
[05:06] <gnomefreak> i got to dh_install before revo 45
[05:06] <asac> he?
[05:06] <asac> gnomefreak: clean everything up
[05:06] <asac> e.g. bzr revert
[05:06] <asac> bzr clean-tree
[05:06] <asac> then bzr st should be empta
[05:06] <asac> then it should build :)
[05:07] <asac> gnomefreak: sorry if i am wrong ... but i am pretty sure that it builds
[05:08] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/644394   im cleaning now but that is the failure
[05:08] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see
[05:08] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[05:08] <asac> gnomefreak: thats my bad
[05:08] <asac> :)
[05:08] <gnomefreak> bzr clean-tree isnt deleting anything
[05:08] <asac> let me fix it
[05:08] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:09] <asac> gnomefreak: pull again
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:10] <asac> rev 46
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ok trying again
[05:10] <asac> i am building as well now :)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:10] <asac> i added 45 without testing ;)
[05:10] <asac> because it was an *oh so simple patch* ;)
[05:11] <gnomefreak> i can see why you didnt test it than
[05:12] <asac> ok its in
[05:12] <asac> build builds for me
[05:12] <asac> let me know if you see any regressions
[05:14] <gnomefreak> back to dh_* so i would say its all good
[05:15] <gnomefreak> #kubuntu-devel is having bbq gnomefreak :(
[05:16] <Jazzva> asac: Umm, a question... I'm trying to reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/116959 . It is said that it occured in v. <IP_ADDRESS>, should I report that it doesn't occur in <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116959 in firefox "firefox crashed" [High,Incomplete]
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ask if they can reproduce it in <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <gnomefreak> brb reboot to see if n-m works
[05:18] <asac> Jazzva: yes gnomefreak is right ... ask if they can reproduce on latest ... if they still insist, note that we still need a tester and keep it open
[05:18] <asac> if you are second tester to confirm that its unreproducible you can reject the bug
[05:19] <asac> exception are crashes ... keep them open and tag them mt-reject-candidate
[05:19] <asac> those are treated a bit different
[05:20] <asac> Jazzva: looking at this bug ... its a crasher ... and most likely the testcase is not good enough ... you can tag it mt-needtestcase again
[05:20] <asac> and remove mt-needtester
[05:20] <asac> after you verified that this testcase alone does not bring a crash
[05:20] <Jazzva> asac: Posted a comment.
[05:20] <Jazzva> And verified that this doesn't bring a crash (at least not in <IP_ADDRESS>)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> on wired gutsy works great i still havent turned laptop to gutsy
[05:21] <asac> if he still claims that the crash happens its again mt-needtestcase as apparently we cannot reproduce with these instructions alone ... usually we need info about extensions/plugins et al
[05:21] <asac> Jazzva: ^^
[05:21] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[05:22] <Jazzva> asac: Hmm, I already retagged it...
[05:22] <Jazzva> and removed mt-needtester...
[05:22] <asac> yes thats correct
[05:22] <asac> drop instructions what is left ... e.g. a better testcase :)
[05:22] <gnomefreak> asac: what did you do to sunbird?
[05:23] <Jazzva> asac: Ok :)...
[05:23] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[05:23] <asac> gnomefreak: its a new package
[05:23] <asac> gnomefreak: i didn't provide transitional ones
[05:23] <gnomefreak> oh this is first upload
[05:23] <asac> its not lightning ... but lightning-extension now
[05:23] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:23] <gnomefreak> thats right
[05:23] <asac> should be in my branch
[05:23] <asac> you need to merge it over to yours i gues
[05:23] <asac> when you have done let me know
[05:23] <asac> so i can pick your improvements
[05:24] <asac> (if not alreayd meerged)
[05:24] <Jazzva> BTW, one totally unrelated question... gnomefreak, how stable gutsy is now :)?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: not so much atm
[05:24] <asac> gnomefreak: ok sunbird is up to date in bzr now
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ok i have to find where i have it :(
[05:24] <asac> Jazzva: for me it works ... but i wouldn't switch my production system to it :)
[05:24] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Ok, thanks...
[05:25] <asac> Jazzva: but i think about doing it every day
[05:25] <Jazzva> asac: I was thinking to switch to it somewhere in Septembre... Figured it would be relatively stable by then...
[05:25] <asac> Jazzva: that should be true
[05:25] <gnomefreak> there are some little nightmares atm thats the reason #kubuntu-devel was having bbq gnomefreak
[05:26] <asac> well kubuntu is a different thing
[05:26] <asac> i guess they are now migrating to new kde
[05:26] <gnomefreak> nope
[05:27] <gnomefreak> kde 3.5.7 or whatever it is
[05:27] <gnomefreak> its python-sip4 causing issues
[05:33] <gnomefreak> asac: something is wrong i only was able to pull evo76 for some reason
[05:37] <asac_the_2nd> evo76?
[05:37] <asac_the_2nd> whats that?
[05:38] <gnomefreak> revo
[05:38] <gnomefreak> its fixed
[05:38] <gnomefreak> i think
[05:39] <asac> k
[05:41] <gnomefreak> sometime today i will look at sunbird but im thinking its an autoconf problem? maybe autoconf is bypassing the sunbird.cfg
[05:41] <gnomefreak> just a thought
[06:16] <gnomefreak> grrrrrr
[06:27] <Jazzva> asac: I was trying to reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/121685 . The radio played for about 40 minutes (long lunch and good cartoon on CN) and after that I couldn't do anything on the computer, I couldn't even switch to terminal and kill the process.
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121685 in firefox "firefox crashed" [Medium,Incomplete]
[06:28] <Jazzva> Somebody mentioned out_of_memory error, so I suppose that happened too here (the comp got blocked)...
[06:28] <Jazzva> *here too
[06:31] <gnomefreak> taking a quick look
[06:31] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: what version of flash ar eyou using?
[06:31] <Jazzva> Hmm, lemme check...
[06:33] <Jazzva> Hmm, where can I check that? I think I installed flashplugin-nonfree
[06:34] <Jazzva> before... and I'm sure it's updated, so I suppose it's this version: <IP_ADDRESS>.0ubuntu1~7.04.1
[06:35] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[06:35] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:35] <asac> gnomefreak: you see that lockup as well?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> asac: ill test soon
[06:36] <gnomefreak> in middle of something in firefox atm
[06:36] <asac> Jazzva: if gnomefreak sees it as well, you can move it to state confirmed ... and tag it mt-eval ... mt-upstream
[06:36] <Jazzva> asac: Well, it took 40 minutes over here to lockup...
[06:36] <asac> yes right ... what does user claim?
[06:36] <Jazzva> 15-30 minutes
[06:36] <asac> how long does it take for him?
[06:36] <asac> yeah ... then it sounds reasonable
[06:36] <Jazzva> Can that depend on amount of RAM?
[06:37] <Jazzva> But, I suppose that he has more than I do :/
[06:37] <gnomefreak> swap maybe
[06:37] <Jazzva> And has more swap than me :)...
[06:37] <gnomefreak> swap is used moreso than ram
[06:37] <Jazzva> Jul 24 20:17:42 barcelona kernel: [ 3825.644000]  Total swap = 1485972kB
[06:37] <Jazzva> I have about 750 MB...
[06:38] <asac> yeah ... move it to confirmed then ... assign flashplugin-nonfree
[06:38] <asac> ask task (if it hasn't already
[06:38] <gnomefreak> would be nice if i knew wtf they are saying :(
[06:38] <asac> and tag it mt-upstream
[06:38] <asac> gnomefreak: who is "they" ?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> asac: not so sure its flash but im 80% sure it is
[06:38] <gnomefreak> this site
[06:38] <asac> yeah ... its flash if it runs out of memory
[06:39] <gnomefreak> dutch im thinking
[06:39] <asac> by just playing flash
[06:39] <asac> so its flashplugin-nonfree bug
[06:39] <asac> does it work with gnash btw?
[06:39] <asac> Jazzva: can you try?
[06:39] <asac> mozilla-plugin-gnash
[06:39] <gnomefreak> asac: oh hold on i might be using gnash
[06:39] <Jazzva> brb...
[06:39] <asac> gnomefreak: right mous click on flash film should show it to you
[06:39] <asac> if there is a reayl popup then its gnash
[06:40] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[06:40] <asac> otherwise its flash with its crappy grey thing
[06:40] <gnomefreak> guess what
[06:40] <gnomefreak> its playing it without either installed
[06:40] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:42] <gnomefreak> not getting anything with gnash
[06:45] <gnomefreak> testing flash now
[06:46] <gnomefreak> ok going to look for lunch while this plays
[06:46] <Jazzva> asac: Sorry, phone... I'll test it with gnash too, just to be sure. I'll go out in about 20 minutes, and gonna start testing then :). Should I remove all other flash plugins, or can I switch to use gnash somewhere else?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: yes
[06:47] <gnomefreak> remove flash and install gnash
[06:47] <Jazzva> Ok :).
[06:47] <gnomefreak> well gnash-mozilla*
[06:48] <Jazzva> Ok, installing it now. And if that happens with gnash too, then it's mozilla bug?
[06:48] <gnomefreak> not really
[06:49] <Jazzva> That site's bug? :)
[06:49] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: its not gonna play with gnash so it stays flash bug
[06:50] <gnomefreak> it cant really be a site issue as top isnt showing anything that high yet here
[06:50] <Jazzva> Oh, sorry. I misread when you said "it's not playing with gnash"
[06:52] <Jazzva> Hmm, what's the name of the flash plugin for mozilla package? I was sure I had flashplugin-nonfree, but it seems I don't have it installed.
[06:53] <gnomefreak> it is
[06:53] <gnomefreak> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:56] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Hmm... I think I have the same situation as yours - I didn't have gnash, nor flashplugin-nonfree installed and it opened the flash player on that site.
[06:57] <Jazzva> But it's playing with adobe flash player 9 :/...
[06:57] <asac> Jazzva: it should be an alternative in gutsy now
[06:58] <Jazzva> asac: So, how can I remove it?
[06:58] <asac> uninstall is easiest
[06:58] <Jazzva> I searched the installed packages for flash, and only got that gnash is installed...
[06:58] <asac> then install mozilla-plugin-gnash
[06:58] <gnomefreak> mines still playing
[06:59] <asac> well
[06:59] <asac> about:plugins
[06:59] <asac> should show where plugin is living in fs
[06:59] <gnomefreak> do i need to do anything to make it crash or just let it polay
[06:59] <asac> e.g. path to .so file
[06:59] <gnomefreak> play
[07:00] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I just left it as it is... it crashed :).
[07:00] <gnomefreak> ok ill go look for food than
[07:00] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Have a nice meal :)
[07:01] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[07:01] <Jazzva> asac: And how to remove the library?
[07:01] <asac> where is it?
[07:01] <Jazzva> It just says "File name: libflashplayer.so"
[07:04] <asac_the_2nd> maybe its in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/
[07:04] <asac_the_2nd> ... if you installed it manually once
[07:04] <asac_the_2nd> Jazzva: ^^
[07:04] <Jazzva> Just flashplayer.xpt...
[07:04] <Jazzva> Can I just delete it? :)
[07:05] <asac_the_2nd> yes
[07:05] <asac_the_2nd> what is in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins ?
[07:05] <asac_the_2nd> is there a libflashplayer.so ?
[07:06] <asac_the_2nd> if so try to see if it belongs to some package with dpkg -S libflashplayer.so
[07:06] <Jazzva> Cool :)... Gonna try it out. I have to go out for an half an hour. There is a libflashplayer.so
[07:07] <Jazzva> Nope, it says it doesn't belong
[07:07] <Jazzva> dpkg: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so not found.
[07:08] <Jazzva> gtg. I'll leave it to play with Flash player again :/...
[07:18] <asac> Jazzva: then just remove that
[07:36] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, will do that now. BTW, so far, the radio is on fo 27 min and everything seems good.
[07:43] <gnomefreak> thats always a good sign :(
[07:45] <Jazzva> Hmm... ok, the radio is not working with gnash. BTW, it is the flash player is over my Konversation window... I think it's because of Compiz Fusion...
[07:45] <Jazzva> without "it is"
[07:45] <gnomefreak> it crashed here
[07:46] <Jazzva> Hmm, with flashplugin?
[07:46] <asac> ok i am out for the weekend ... tomorrow i won't have internet access ... so cu sunday
[07:46] <Jazzva> asac: Have a nice weekend
[07:46] <asac> have to run to catch train ;)
[07:46] <asac> thanks
[07:46] <gnomefreak> mark it confirmed and set mt-upstream
[07:46] <Jazzva> I'll work at these bugs...
[07:46] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Ok
[07:47] <gnomefreak> wait
[07:47] <gnomefreak> damn
[07:47] <gnomefreak> asac: good timing :(
[07:48] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: change it to flashplugin-nonfree mark confirmed and tag mt-eval for the time being
[07:48] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: im gonna try on gutsy same set up ff and flash but different other packages that might make a different
[07:48] <gnomefreak> differnece
[07:49] <Jazzva> Ok, I will... I'll also leave a comment that it crashed on two comps with Feisty...
[07:49] <gnomefreak> what was bug number?
[07:49] <Jazzva> 121685
[07:49] <Jazzva> bug 121685
[07:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121685 in firefox "firefox crashed" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121685
[07:50] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:50] <Jazzva> You're welcome.
[07:53] <Jazzva> Just to check... Remove mt-needtester, mark mt-eval? (btw, what "eval" means? Evaluated bug?)
[07:53] <gnomefreak> needs evaluation and yes mt-eval
[07:53] <Jazzva> Mhm, found out about mt-eval.
[07:54] <gnomefreak> the problem with mt-upstream is flash upstream is almost not even there
[07:54] <Jazzva> On Launchpad?
[07:54] <gnomefreak> if i can prove its flash and not another issue than i will figure out wha tto do
[07:55] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: once tagged mt-upstream we hav eto go to adobe and look for this bug
[07:55] <gnomefreak> but i want to make damn sure its flash first
[07:55] <Jazzva> Right...
[07:55] <gnomefreak> i should know by end of day (i hope)
[07:56] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: do you have any other browsers?
[07:56] <Jazzva> Konqueror, Epiphany....
[07:56] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: set up flash in konq and see if you can repoduce it
[07:57] <Jazzva> Ok...
[07:57] <Jazzva> Just to remove gnash first...
[07:57] <gnomefreak> if you can its flash
[07:57] <gnomefreak> yes and install flash
[07:57] <Jazzva> Ok...
[08:04] <gnomefreak> it plays with gnash on gutsy
[08:04] <gnomefreak> waiting for it to crash
[08:05] <gnomefreak> lol same gnash version
[08:05] <Jazzva> And it runs good on gutsy?
[08:05] <gnomefreak> waiting for crash
[08:05] <Jazzva> I mean... it runs? it plays music? :)
[08:05] <gnomefreak> why doesnt gnash in feisty work :(
[08:05] <gnomefreak> itws playing sound
[08:06] <Jazzva> Dunno...
[08:06] <gnomefreak> and the video(or whatever the hell that is)
[08:06] <gnomefreak> asac: we need to find this out when we get time gnash gutsy works gnash feisty doesnt
[08:07] <gnomefreak> ill be back soon i need to get some things here done while this is testing
[08:08] <Jazzva> Ok... I started it in Konqueror...
[08:08] <Jazzva> Off for a few minutes...
[08:15] <gnomefreak> i wish flash would show up in top :( right now 41.7% mem
[08:15] <gnomefreak> 7.3 cpu
[08:18] <gnomefreak> .win 11
[08:21] <Jazzva> Over here: 20.7 21.9   2:31.84 nspluginviewer
[08:21] <Jazzva> CPU MEM
[08:24] <gnomefreak> 50.2 now
[08:24] <gnomefreak> for meme
[08:24] <gnomefreak> mem
[08:24] <gnomefreak> ~10.0 cpu
[08:31] <Jazzva> Hmm... ~33 for mem
[08:31] <Jazzva> and ~22 for CPU
[08:31] <Jazzva> It might be a memory leakage...
[08:32] <gnomefreak> it crashed with gnash in gutsy
[08:33] <Jazzva> So, that means it's not flashplugin?
[08:33] <Jazzva> But, what if it crashes in Konqueror too?
[08:33] <gnomefreak> lets see what happens in konq
[08:33] <gnomefreak> if it crashes in konq im 98% sure its flash
[08:33] <gnomefreak> im about 90% atm
[08:34] <Jazzva> But, why did it crash with gnash too?
[08:34] <Jazzva> Wait...
[08:34] <Jazzva> flash = flashplugin or flash file on site?
[08:34] <gnomefreak> its same flash content
[08:35] <gnomefreak> code wise
[08:35] <Jazzva> Mhm...\
[08:36] <gnomefreak> lets see what happens with konq first
[08:36] <gnomefreak> that will be a tell tale sign of it
[08:37] <Jazzva> Well, it's still playing...
[08:37] <Jazzva> 30minutes...
[08:37] <Jazzva> If it has the same behavior as in Firefox, then it should crash in about 10 minutes...
[08:47] <Jazzva> Hmm, playing for 40 minutes. CPU ~ 25, MEM ~ 45
[08:47] <Jazzva> MEM ~ 50
[08:47] <Jazzva> Woah
[08:47] <Jazzva> MEM ~ 57
[08:48] <Jazzva> Well, should crash soon, I suppose :/...
[08:53] <gnomefreak> it better
[08:53] <gnomefreak> ill brb reboot
[09:00] <Jazzva_> gnomefreak: It crashed...
[09:00] <Jazzva_> So, I suppose it's a Flash bug...
[09:00] <gnomefreak> good
[09:01] <gnomefreak> it is
[09:01] <gnomefreak> can you mark firefox task on bug to invaild and give reason that it is a flash bug
[09:01] <gnomefreak> or give me number and ill get to it later
[09:01] <Jazzva_> Yes, I can
[09:01] <gnomefreak> hi AlexLatchford  :)
[09:01] <AlexLatchford> Howdy
[09:02] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[09:02] <AlexLatchford> how are you John?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> Jazzva_: when was that bug filed?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: im good and yourself?
[09:02] <AlexLatchford> erm.. im okay.. amazingly busy
[09:02] <Jazzva_> gnomefreak: 2007-06-22
[09:03] <Jazzva_> gnomefreak: Marked the firefox bug as invalid.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> Jazzva_: can i have bug number im gonna see what i can dig up
[09:03] <Jazzva_> bug 121685
[09:03] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i know that feeling
[09:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121685 in flashplugin-nonfree "firefox crashed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121685
[09:03] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:03] <Jazzva_> No prob
[09:08] <AlexLatchford> Yeah.. ive picked up a job in the city
[09:08] <gnomefreak> who has a win pc?
[09:08] <AlexLatchford> 9 til 6.30 and with travel it means door to door of 7.30 to about 7.45
[09:08] <gnomefreak> godf
[09:08] <gnomefreak> god*
[09:09] <AlexLatchford> yep.. so I am a little swamped currently lol
[09:10] <gnomefreak> i guess it could be the site
[09:11] <gnomefreak> hi JenFraggle
[09:11] <JenFraggle> hello
[09:11] <JenFraggle> how are you?
[09:11] <gnomefreak> ok im sticking with flash issue and will ping asac next week i think i doubt we will see him this weekened
[09:12] <gnomefreak> JenFraggle: good and yourself
[09:12] <JenFraggle> good thanks
[09:17] <JenFraggle> how do i find bugs that are good for beginners to work on?
[09:17] <JenFraggle> want to add to my beginner wiki page
[09:18] <Jazzva> JenFraggle: I'm a beginner :)... asac told me to look at bugs marked with tags mt-needtestcase and mt-needtester
[09:19] <Jazzva> JenFraggle: at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[09:19] <JenFraggle> Jazzva, cool, did you see the beginner wiki page?
[09:19] <Jazzva> JenFraggle: Nope...
[09:20] <Jazzva> What's the link :)?
[09:20] <JenFraggle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Beginner
[09:20] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[09:21] <JenFraggle> It's deliberately 'dumbed down' so as to hopefully not put off people who are very new to it all
[09:22] <JenFraggle> save the more technical stuff for the other wiki pages
[09:22] <Jazzva> I get it :)...
[09:34] <Jazzva> Could someone take a look on bug 74116? I think it works fine now, so I would like if someone could take a look...
[09:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74116 in firefox "Very slow and jerky scroll renders browser useless" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74116
[09:38] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i updated it
[09:38] <gnomefreak> im gone for a while.
[09:38] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Cool...
[09:38] <Jazzva> Have fun
[09:38] <gnomefreak> you too
[09:39] <Jazzva> Thanks :)...
[09:56] <JenFraggle> I've updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Beginner
[10:34] <cwong1> asac:  Hi, saw your message late regarding the repository link in moblin.  Sorry for the late response.  I am going to do it later today.  Can we push the current changes in the WORKING Branch to gusty's build repsoitory?
[10:40] <Jazzva> cwong1: AFAIK asac won't be online before Sunday (I think he went off few hours ago).
[10:40] <cwong1> Jazzva: ok thanks
[10:41] <Jazzva> No prob...
[12:02] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: You there?


[14:10] <jrwren> happy 20.04
[14:10] <jrwren> https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-20-04-lts-arrives
[14:18] <cmaloney> woo woo
[14:18] <cmaloney> Release party tonight at Penguicon
[14:18] <cmaloney> https://penguicon2020.sched.com/event/b3YP/virtual-ubuntu-2004-focal-fossa-release-party-byob
[14:19] <jrwren> lots of good stuff in that blog post. I don't know what FIDO is. I'll have to investigate.
[14:19] <jrwren> and I didn't know that WireGuard was in it and that it is being backported to 18.04
[14:22] <cmaloney> Oh that's nice


[00:13] <anastasiamac> a simple review plz - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8994 (corrected urls)
[00:19] <veebers> anastasiamac: looking
[00:20] <anastasiamac> veebers: wallyworldbeat u to it - he is on fire this morning \o/
[00:20] <veebers> too late
[00:20] <anastasiamac> dare i say "magic coffee" :D
[00:20] <veebers> hah yeah ^_^
[00:44] <babbageclunk> thumper: it looks like my idea was wrong (although I'm fairly sure that bug still exists in my implementation), but there's something weird happening - I see 2 updates to the clock every second. Still chasing it down.
[00:44] <babbageclunk> thumper: obviously that would match pretty well with the problems you were seeing though.
[00:44] <thumper> interesting
[00:45] <babbageclunk> thumper: even see it with only one controller.
[00:48] <thumper> grr...
[00:48] <babbageclunk> thumper: no, I was fooled by the fact that they show up in pairs - it's just debug-log only showing stuff every 2 seconds.
[00:49] <thumper> wallyworld: I see an error in migration
[00:49] <thumper> wallyworld: and you put it there two months ago
[00:49] <babbageclunk> There's only one update happening for any one 2-second timestamp
[00:49] <thumper> wallyworld: and I can't figure out how it got past
[00:49] <wallyworld> thumper: got a link?
[00:50] <thumper> wallyworld: hmm... something is weird
[00:50] <thumper> go vet thought it was a function, but the compiler doesn't
[00:50] <thumper> WTF?
[00:50] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: but debug logs twice? probably something to report and address separately ..
[00:52] <babbageclunk> no, it was just 2 updates (for different seconds) showing up in one debug-log update.
[00:53] <thumper> wallyworld: I can't run 'make check' because govet fails
[00:53] <thumper> both govet and my IDE think a value is a function, but it is not...
[00:53] <wallyworld> and yet it passed the landing bot
[00:54] <wallyworld> go version?
[00:54] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/blame/2.4/cmd/jujud/agent/unit.go#L268
[00:54] <thumper> 1.10.3
[00:55] <wallyworld> thumper: the var model shadows the package name perhaps. that is a warning but not fatal. i bet if you changed model to m it would work
[00:56] <thumper> the package name is agent
[00:57] <wallyworld> i meant an imported package but that's not the case either, was just a guess initially before i looked at code
[00:58] <wallyworld> thumper: i copied the existing code from jujud unit to juju operator; it's been like that for a while IIANM
[00:58] <wallyworld> nfi what's going on
[00:58] <thumper> yeah, so I don't know why I'm suddenly getting errors on it
[00:58]  * thumper goes to clean the build dir
[00:59] <thumper> huh
[00:59] <thumper> I cleared out ~/go/pkg and now it is fine
[00:59] <thumper> NFI
[00:59] <anastasiamac> the only thing is that facade.Model() returns an oject from model package.. but if the package name causes isues like that we'll have lots of other problems
[00:59] <wallyworld> i was about to say make check works for me, i just tried it
[00:59] <anastasiamac> \o/
[01:01] <thumper> tests running now
[01:01] <thumper> we'll see if I broke anything in the merge
[01:05] <thumper> poo...
[01:05] <thumper> I think I chose the wrong test part for goal state in the apiserver code
[01:05]  * thumper wonders if there are more
[01:06] <thumper> hmm....
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[01:45] <veebers> Do I need to do something to create an lxd cosmic machine, seeing "juju.provisioner failed to start machine 0 (no matching image found), retrying in 10s".
[01:45] <veebers> Do i need to alias an image from daily or something like that?
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[02:10] <veebers> Hmm, how do I deal with a dep expecting crypto/sha256 being loaded? i.e. validating a docker image string "me/blah:sha265@<digest bits>", the function takes the digest part and attempts to validate it, but sha256.Available() returns false (as in sha256.New() has not been called)
[02:11] <veebers> anastasiamac: is it possible to retry a machine creation? (attempts expired before I could get the image downloaded)
[02:11] <anastasiamac> veebers: ooooh interesting question... i don't hink i've ever needed to... so dunno off the top of my head
[02:12] <anastasiamac> veebers: is there some kind timeout thta can be specified?
[02:12] <anastasiamac> veebers: r u doing it thru cli or api?
[02:12] <veebers> anastasiamac: ack, no worries, I'll add a new model and try again ^_^ this is a test controller
[02:12] <veebers> anastasiamac: this is via CLI, am confirming streams, but didn't have any lxc cosmic images handy, the attempt count rolled over
[02:14] <anastasiamac> veebers: ic.... m not seeing any other way but try again...
[02:17] <veebers> anastasiamac: ack, will do. Adding another model is easy enough
[02:17] <veebers> anastasiamac: you wouldn't have insight to my other question would you?
[02:18] <anastasiamac> veebers: about sha?
[02:18] <veebers> anastasiamac: aye
[02:19] <anastasiamac> veebers: not really coz m not following what u r doing... is it in code?
[02:19] <thumper> oh fark...
[02:21] <veebers> anastasiamac: sorry, will explain better :-) In code I have a string like "docker.io/me/mygitlab@sha256:5e2c71d050...", I want to validate this, calling reference.ParseNormalizedNamed(...) ("github.com/docker/distribution/reference")
[02:22] <veebers> this function splits out the diegst part (sha256:5e2c71d050), recognizes the sha256, so calls sha256.Available() (from "crypto/sha256"), which returns false as it's not, um, emabled in this binary?
[02:22] <veebers> thumper: that doesn't sound good
[02:23] <thumper> it isn't as bad as I thought...
[02:23] <thumper> but will require a change in 2.4...
[02:27] <wallyworld> veebers: you just need to import the package in our code
[02:27] <wallyworld> _ "crypto/sha256"
[02:27] <anastasiamac> veebers: sorry  -got distracted...
[02:27] <veebers> wallyworld: ah, rightio thanks
[02:27] <veebers> anastasiamac: nw
[02:27] <anastasiamac> veebers: can't we have our own validation of sha?
[02:28] <anastasiamac> veebers: how do we validate sha for resources?
[02:28] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8995 for anyone who wants to double check the 2.4 changes
[02:28] <wallyworld> it's not a resourc eit's a docker path
[02:28] <veebers> anastasiamac: we're validating a docker image path, the sha can be part of that
[02:28] <thumper> anastasiamac: there were no conflicts in any command help changes
[02:28] <veebers> we use dockers code to validate the path so we don't need to much around with it
[02:28] <thumper> vino: the above does have a change in the bundle feature test that should go back into the 2.4 branch
[02:28] <anastasiamac> thumper: gimme a sec to chekc.. wasn;t expecting conlfict but different wording
[02:28]  * anastasiamac sighs
[02:29] <thumper> I'll hold off submitting to merge until folk have had a chance to look
[02:31] <anastasiamac> thumper: +1 from me
[02:32] <vino> thumper: i am looking.
[02:33] <anastasiamac> veebers: i'd divert to wallyworld's advice :)
[02:34] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: i understand it's docker btw, but we do some kind of sha validation for resources... here however, veebers is using docker library whcih seems to have a bug ?
[02:34] <veebers> anastasiamac: hah
[02:34] <veebers> anastasiamac: no it's all good now, wallyworld sorted me out
[02:34] <anastasiamac> veebers: \o/
[02:34] <anastasiamac> thnx, wallyworld :D
[02:34] <veebers> ah man, wallyworld so I'm not get an 'agent not found' error anymore but seems to be struggling bringing up the comsmic machine
[02:35] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: there's no sha validation right now as the reosurce is merely a snippet of json. theres no bug in the docker lib. it just needs sha256 to be imported before use
[02:35] <wallyworld> similar to how we register our provides by importing provider/all
[02:35] <anastasiamac> m glad it was just a missing import ;)
[02:37] <vino> thumper: i am not clear abt there - why the feature test changes should be going back to 2.4 ?
[02:39] <veebers> So, deploying cs:mysql --series cosmic --force starts a container, but it's just sitting there. I can't seen any cloud-init-output.log, there is no /var/log/juju or /var/lib/juju. Just sitting there :-\
[02:39] <veebers> any thoughts?
[02:39] <thumper> vino: in particular specifying the Revision: for the make charm
[02:40] <thumper> vino: since the output cares about it, it should be specified in the make charm args
[02:40] <thumper> otherwise it changes depending on how many tests are run
[02:40] <anastasiamac> thumper: interesting that this PR brings stuff from 2.3 which i thought was already in 2.4 and develop...
[02:40] <thumper> if you run that test by itself in the featuretest package, it fails
[02:40] <vino> thumper: got it.
[02:40] <thumper> anastasiamac: I merged 2.3 into 2.4 to bring in my changes
[02:42] <anastasiamac> thumper: yeah, the diff looks good :) the description has some redundancy but the code is golden (at lest for my changes, of course) :D
[02:43] <thumper> I'm waiting for the pre-merge check to run to ensure all is good
[02:58] <veebers> wallyworld: you have a moment, wanting to move this streams thing on
[02:58] <wallyworld> sure
[02:59] <veebers> wallyworld: as per above, trying to deploy while forcing cosmic as the series, it seems its found the right agent etc. but the lxd container just sits there, no /var/log/juju or /var/lib/juju nor any cloud-init-output.log etc.
[02:59] <veebers> As far as I can tell the machine is just sitting there with nothing to do
[03:00] <wallyworld> why not rule out lxd issues and try just using vms
[03:01] <veebers> wallyworld: sorry I don't understand, which VMs
[03:01] <wallyworld> virtual machine instances instead of container instances. what substrate are ytou testing on?
[03:02] <veebers> wallyworld: was just trying lxd
[03:02] <wallyworld> shouldn't matter but try a cloud
[03:02] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, I'll give aws a go, cheers
[03:02] <wallyworld> to rule out lxd cosmic images issues etc
[03:03] <veebers> aye, assuming there are cosmic images in aws etc. :-)
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[04:19] <thumper> hmm
[04:19] <thumper> I have a test failure that is just the difference between unrecognised and unrecognized
[04:19] <anastasiamac> where?
[04:19] <thumper> http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-check-merge-juju/2644/testReport/junit/github/com_juju_juju_container_lxd/Test/
[04:21] <anastasiamac> how did that land?
[04:21]  * thumper shrugs
[04:21] <thumper> I'm not sure
[04:22] <thumper> hmm... fails here too
[04:25] <anastasiamac> thumper: this test does not appear to b in develop
[04:25] <anastasiamac> (at least develop prior to ur merge).. mayb u've brought it without wanting to?
[04:25] <thumper> it is possible that it was added to 2.4
[04:25] <thumper> and there was a different lxd there
[04:25] <thumper> and the error was updated
[04:25] <thumper> error text
[04:26] <thumper> to make it american
[04:26] <anastasiamac> looks like
[04:26] <anastasiamac> like
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[05:01] <veebers> wallyworld, cory_fu FYI https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8996 revert the split and validation (that gave cory_fu trouble)
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[06:06] <wallyworld> kelvin_: how goes the dependency hell?
[06:08] <kelvin_> wallyworld, it's not the meta struct miss match, i think it's the deps in side the package have conflicts with our apimachinery dep.
[06:09] <kelvin_> wallyworld, so the work around to create a file inside provider package didn't work
[06:09] <kelvin_> wallyworld, I am trying to use dep
[06:09] <wallyworld> what about vgo?
[06:10] <wallyworld> that seems like the more modern approach
[06:11] <kelvin_> wallyworld, https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/vgo
[06:12] <wallyworld> ah bollocks ok, not ready yet
[06:12] <wallyworld> still, by the time we shup 2.5.....
[06:12] <wallyworld> shup
[06:12] <wallyworld> ship even
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[06:13] <kelvin_> wallyworld, yes, it will be availabe in 1.11, but it seems they do not suggest to use vgo for production
[06:13] <wallyworld> right but we are not production yet
[06:13] <wallyworld> by the time 1.11 ships we may be
[06:13] <wallyworld> what's the 1.11 timeline?
[06:14] <wallyworld> beta 1 is already out
[06:14] <kelvin_> wallyworld, vgo in 1.11 is not prod ready
[06:14] <kelvin_> You will be able to experiment with the module workflow from Go 1.11 as it will be included as an experiment in this release.
[06:15] <wallyworld> do you think we can make things work with dep?
[06:17] <kelvin_> wallyworld, i just did some work around to generate the lock files for dep.
[06:17] <wallyworld> progress!
[06:18] <kelvin_> wallyworld, i metaObject issue has been solved, but there are some other deps broken.
[06:18] <kelvin_> wallyworld, i m looking on it now
[06:18] <wallyworld> one step at a time :-)
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[21:01] <cory_fu> veebers: Do you know if that Docker library will validate external::gcr.io/kubeflow/jupyterhub-k8s:v20180531-3bb991b1 in the same way that the charm store requires?
[21:02] <veebers> cory_fu: I can have a look, I don't think so off the top of my head, but I thought we where getting rid of the need for 'external::'?
[21:03] <cory_fu> veebers: Are we?  It's currently required to get those image paths to be accepted by the store, but it would be nice to not need it
[21:05] <veebers> cory_fu: I'll double check that for you too :-) I'm pretty sure the charmstore end is already using the docker libraries so might be fine, the 'external::' gets stripped off about then I think? (i.e. juju doesn't see it when a resource-get occurs)
[21:05] <cory_fu> veebers: That's correct, it doesn't come back in the resource data
[21:12] <cory_fu> veebers: I also couldn't get the workaround that wallyworld mentioned yesterday to work.  Specifically, providing the resource at deploy time via --resource.  It wouldn't take the image path directly either with or without external:: and it took ./resource.json but didn't read that as the actual resource data containing registrypath, username, and password and just passed the "./resource.json" name onto the charm
[21:12] <cory_fu> Any suggestions there?
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[21:13] <veebers> cory_fu: I still need to add support for passing a file with the details.
[21:14] <veebers> cory_fu: re: using --resource that should work, I'll have a look today
[21:14] <veebers> cory_fu: sorry you keep getting tripped up by bugs at every turn here :-|
[21:15] <veebers> cory_fu: what was the image path you where using with --resource?
[21:15] <cory_fu> veebers: :)  It happens.  Note that this was failing with edge, and not your branch with the change
[21:15] <cory_fu> veebers: juju deploy cs:~johnsca/kubeflow-tf-hub --resource jupyterhub-image=gcr.io/kubeflow/jupyterhub-k8s:v20180531-3bb991b1
[21:15] <veebers> cory_fu: oh ah, yeah I think that would still be broken in edge until my changes land
[21:16] <veebers> cory_fu: I'll get that landed today and make sure that works
[21:16] <cory_fu> veebers: Yeah, ok.  I thought that might be the case
[21:21] <cory_fu> veebers: And thanks!
[21:22] <veebers> cory_fu: no worries, will be great once this is all sorted and working :-)
[21:22] <cory_fu> Indeed
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[21:31] <babbageclunk> thumper: everything needs loggers passed in!
[21:32] <thumper> :)
[21:32] <thumper> babbageclunk: I'd like chat about your testing yesterday
[21:32] <thumper> perhaps in 30m
[21:32] <thumper> or so
[21:32] <babbageclunk> thumper: got myself really confused - I thought I'd fixed my too-many-ticks issue, but the logging made it seem like it wasn't working.
[21:33] <babbageclunk> thumper: sure
[21:33] <babbageclunk> thumper: then I remembered I'm running two clock updaters now, one pointing at mongo and one at raft. So everything's fine.
[21:35] <babbageclunk> thumper: except I need to make that clearer by having separate loggers.
[21:35] <babbageclunk> thumper: yeah, ping when you want to discuss.
[21:36] <thumper> ack
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[21:53] <hml> wallyworld: I got the changes made.  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8984 if you have a few minutes.  :-)
[21:53] <wallyworld> hml: sure, soon, need to finish meetings :-/
[21:54] <hml> hml: dinner time anyways.  I’ll check back in the am.  ty!
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[22:08] <babbageclunk> Wow, this spam is really irritating
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[22:09] <thumper> and it is white supremacy
[22:13] <babbageclunk> well, I think it's attempted character assassination - I'm pretty sure that's not really William Pitcock's site (whoever he is).
[22:15] <thumper> https://freenode.net/ has a message about it
[22:24] <thumper> babbageclunk: got time?
[22:25] <babbageclunk> thumper: yup - in 1:1?
[22:26] <thumper> ack
[22:37] <catbus> Hi, is is a known issue to retrieve charms from the charm store now? ERROR cannot deploy bundle: cannot add charm "cs:ceph-mon-25": cannot retrieve charm "cs:ceph-mon-25": cannot get archive: Get https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/ceph-mon-25/archive?channel=stable: dial tcp: lookup api.jujucharms.com on <IP_ADDRESS>:53: read udp <IP_ADDRESS>:55339-><IP_ADDRESS>:53: i/o timeout
[22:39] <roadmr> catbus: check the ports (53) - that's a DNS issue.
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[23:19] <catbus> which part of DNS is broken? My node can resolve names fine. https://github.com/juju/charmstore/issues/736 and https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/1298 suggest it may be an issue with the juju charmstore.
[23:25] <veebers> thumper: yay, thank you
[23:25] <thumper> veebers: we'll see if it makes any difference