[13:27] <kubuntu> hello
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:11] <daedalus_urizen> im on kubuntu on boxes on chrome
[14:11] <daedalus_urizen> kubuntu live on boxes
[14:11] <daedalus_urizen> on chrome os
[14:12] <daedalus_urizen> kubuntu kde plasma
[14:12] <daedalus_urizen> hi BluesKaj
[14:15] <daedalus_urizen> so im on #kubuntu on kubuntu kde plasma in boxes on debian 11 on chrome os
[14:15] <daedalus_urizen> isnt that crazy in a way?
[15:57] <user|5> Hi Is it possible to run kubuntu 23.10 on a raspberry pi 5?
[17:31] <spoke> Hi. How open ports with Konsole ? I have no firewall, and I want to open them with two or three command lines.
[17:39] <arraybolt3> spoke: the tool you're looking for is probably `ufw` - I don't know how to use it, but it's the firewall configuration CLI utility I believe.
[17:42] <spoke> Thank you.
 Doubt it (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|5> Hi Is it possible to run kubuntu 23.10 on a raspberry pi 5?)
 Hey also how can i enable SSH fully? I unlocked port 22, enabled SSH but i still cant connect
[19:06] <user|17> excuse me, is Kubuntu frendly user? Where is hibernation?
[19:07] <user|17> I installed the system to try it - but I couldn’t even turn it off - put it in hibernation mode.
[19:08] <bprompt> user|17:   you mean "User Friendly", I'd say yes, hmmm the Hibernation is the Power Off menu, I don't recall it exactly, but it has about 5 options and Hibernation is one of them
[19:08] <user|17> You can endlessly improve the design of the appearance of the operating system. But the operating system must have basic functionality - to be able to turn off the PC with the mouse.
[19:09] <bprompt> user|17: all that's taken into consideration from what I know
[19:10] <user|17> I don’t see this mode, I downloaded the image yesterday and installed it today
[19:11] <bprompt> user|17:   is there a "Leave" menu when you click on the "K" on the lower-left-corner?
[19:11] <arraybolt3> Hibernation is not the same as shutdown.
[19:11] <bprompt> right
[19:12] <arraybolt3> Kubuntu and all official Ubuntu flavors support shutdown. Hibernation is a weird thing that works poorly on Linux and doesn't even work great on Windows sometimes.
[19:13] <user|17> "Leave" - yes, Hibernation - no, shut down - yes
[19:15] <user|17> I always used this mode on my Windows - I opened many applications and put them to sleep, the next day everything became available at startup. But in Kubuntu it turns out that this functionality is not available
[19:15] <bprompt> user|17: what cpu type and speed do  you have?
[19:16] <user|17> 8 × 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-1135G7 @ 2.40GHz
[19:17] <user|17> I think this is an important functionality that must be in the OS
[19:17] <bprompt> user|17:  hmmm see in my case, I don't run Kwin, which is what you're referring to, I use LXQT, and I get Hibernation, but I also get it in Kwin too hmmm, what if you run it from the LiveUSB, does it show in the session?
[19:19] <bprompt> user|17: from what I recall Suspend or Hibernation are functionalities tied to the ACPM modules, and that's dependent on the hardware, reason why I ask on the cpu, but your machines is fairly new
[19:19] <arraybolt3> Even if the Hibernation button existed, it wouldn't work, the feature is turned off in the Ubuntu kernel I believe.
[19:19] <arraybolt3> Because it's buggy.
[19:19] <bprompt> ahhh hmm
[19:19] <bprompt> not that I use it btw =)
[19:21] <arraybolt3> user|17: I think the vast majority of us just use sleep mode and save our work frequently. Hibernation is pretty rarely used even on Windows, it causes problems with hardware both in Windows and Linux, and in general is just a glitchy mess that is more trouble than it's worth.
[19:21] <user|17> It’s good if this is a problem typical for all Linux systems - I won’t insist on an answer now and here. But I didn't expect this
[19:23] <bprompt> arraybolt3: ahemm, I've used Hibernation in win64, worked well when I have, but as usual is dependent on hardware, I can see compabilities issues with many models
[19:23] <arraybolt3> Actually, maybe hibernation isn't disabled in the kernel after all? It seems to work in 20.04 with some fighting.
[19:23] <user|17> I've always used Hibernation and liked it in Windows. With the standby mode - yes, there were problems on modern processors - they ruined it. I thought Linux was fine with this
[19:24] <arraybolt3> Either way, I'd steer clear of it just in case. Linux is fine with suspend on most systems.
[19:24] <arraybolt3> If you're really determined to try it anyway:
[19:24] <arraybolt3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1358417/how-could-i-enable-hibernation-on-a-dell-inspiron-5548-running-ubuntu-focal/1358453#1358453
[19:25] <user|17> Yes, I saw it on Google - sheets of instructions for creating swap files and other things. But this is for experienced users - and I don’t want to reinvent the wheel.
[19:26] <arraybolt3> right. Sadly there isn't native support for it yet in any official Ubuntu flavor, Kubuntu included.
[19:29] <user|17> In any case, I am very glad that there is a friendly community in Kubuntu. Which, if it doesn’t help, will definitely sympathize! Thanks for answers!
[19:31] <bprompt> user|17: I'm not a teacher: only a fellow-traveller of whom you asked the way. I pointed ahead -- ahead of myself as well as you.  ~~ George Bernard Shaw ~~
[19:54] <kubuntu> is there historical relegence to this php code:    <?php echo '!true'; ?>
 can i ask why i don't have hibrenate option on my power options?
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[19:56] <Guest101> string2BinaryLogickalOutput
[19:56] <Guest101> through human equilibrium ayntelligence
[19:57] <bprompt> Guest101: YouSeemToBeMissingAFewSpacesInYourLines
[19:57] <Guest101> my mom ayz better than ur mom
[20:01] <Guest101> ur mom is so low, she could go anywhere


[19:00] <nhandler> Meeting Time! jussi, tsimpson, topyli, Pici
[19:00] <nhandler> #startmeeting
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:00.  Care to explain this item a bit
[19:01] <tsimpson> we need a [topic] :)
[19:01] <czajkowski> hey, well this was something I discussed at UDS
[19:01] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Logging bot in all LoCo IRC channels
[19:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Logging bot in all LoCo IRC channels
[19:02] <czajkowski> Do loco teams have to have the logging bot in their channels, be they are approved or unapproved they are using the ubuntu namespace
[19:02] <czajkowski> as some teams are removing the logging bot from their channels and then having very non CoC disucsions in thee
[19:02] <czajkowski> *there
[19:03] <czajkowski> I've mentioned to a few people and most think the logging in ubuntu-iso for all teams would be good
[19:04] <czajkowski> so it's a loco council and IRCC issue I thought best disucssed here
[19:04] <topyli> czajkowski: you're talking about the main #ubuntu-iso channel, not things like #ubuntu-iso-offtopic or any subchannels like that?
[19:04] <czajkowski> topyli: not offtopic channels no
[19:04] <czajkowski> just the main -iso channel
[19:04] <nhandler> I know at least a few LoCos who would probably not be happy with this requirement. Although discussion might comply with the CoC, it is still a LoCo channel, and some more personal/offtopic discussions will (by their nature) take place in them. This does not belong on the web
[19:04] <tsimpson> if the issue is people removing the log bot from their channels, how will forcing all -iso channels to be logged help?
[19:05] <czajkowski> I've no problem with off topic items in channel tbh, it really depends on the loco
[19:05] <tsimpson> surely the same people would just remove the bot again, right?
[19:05] <jussi> nhandler: I tend to disagree, its a public channel after all.
[19:05] <czajkowski> tsimpson: well now it'd be seen as something they have to have
[19:06] <tsimpson> czajkowski: and what will happen if they remove it?
[19:06] <nhandler> jussi: Yes, but it is a bit different when there are public logs on the web
[19:06] <czajkowski> tsimpson: O'm not sure, hence the discussion.
[19:06] <czajkowski> *I'm
[19:07] <tsimpson> nhandler: they can use a -offtopic sub channel for that probably, though it's an inconvenience
[19:07] <nhandler> I'm just worried that requiring the log bot will hurt the friendly/welcoming atmosphere in some loco channels
[19:07] <topyli> the loco council might remove the official loco status from the team maybe?
[19:07] <czajkowski> nhandler: most teams do have some form of non topic in their channels, I've seen some locos create -chat channels and that has KILLED their main ubuntu channel
[19:07] <topyli> but i have the same worry as nhandler
[19:07] <nhandler> tsimpson: Yeah, I agree. Especially for small locos, it is silly to have multiple channels
[19:07] <itnet7> nhandler: in the past when there isn't a channel, usually the team will not be so inviting
[19:07] <itnet7> Yes they could remove it
[19:07] <tsimpson> topyli: unapproved LoCos' would still be required to be logged
[19:08] <itnet7> oops
[19:08] <czajkowski> as an example the Irish channel is rather samall, we have all chats in there, while remaining CoC  friendly and it works well
[19:08] <itnet7> when there isn't a bot in the channel
[19:08] <topyli> tsimpson: ah. evryone in the namespace. i get it
[19:08] <nhandler> czajkowski: And how will requiring the log bot fix the underlying problem of some LoCos not following the CoC?
[19:08] <tsimpson> czajkowski: have you (or others from the LoCo council) discussed this with the teams?
[19:09] <czajkowski> nhandler: well if channels were logged, and there are issues in channel and people bring this to our attention they can point us to the logs, very hard to point us to an unlogged channel conversation
[19:10] <nhandler> czajkowski: Was there ever an issue regarding the CoC not being observed where nobody in the channel had logs?
[19:10] <czajkowski> tsimpson: I've mentoned it to a few, but it;s not been offical, we wanted to get discussion going on here between the two councils
[19:11] <tsimpson> right, ok
[19:11] <nhandler> I think having private logs available to the IRC/LoCo council would be another possible solution to the problem
[19:11] <czajkowski> nhandler: tsimpson topyli itnet7 is here from the council also, so don't feel you need to put all the questions to me :)
[19:11] <tsimpson> nhandler: I think it's more about having "trusted" logs
[19:11] <nhandler> Ah, I missed him
[19:11] <topyli> :)
[19:11] <itnet7> nhandler: +1
[19:11] <topyli> nhandler: i like that
[19:12] <tsimpson> private logging would be a solution, respecting privacy
[19:12] <jussi> I recently suggested this to the CC, with regard to a few other chans.
[19:12] <czajkowski> nhandler: nice idea, but again needs someone to keep logs, having the logging bot is an impartial bot
[19:12] <itnet7> Yes, I think most of us would understand the sensitivity of the logs
[19:12] <topyli> that of course implies that everyone trusts the council(s)
[19:12] <czajkowski> jussi: see pm
[19:12] <tsimpson> topyli: if councils are not trusted, we have bigger issues ;)
[19:12] <topyli> yeah :)
[19:13] <czajkowski> the idea of this agenda item was to create a discssion - so far it's a lotta questions being fired at me, I'd like to hear the councils ideas/thoughts on the subject
[19:13] <tsimpson> maybe if we have some "locked-down" section on the logging server
[19:14] <topyli> still, i don't know. "logs available to topyli" and "logs available to the whole internet" is a facebook-like situation
[19:14] <jussi> I think the thing with public logs is that people other than the council can bring up any issues. councils dont have infinite time and manpower
[19:14] <tsimpson> czajkowski: we were just curious as to why it's needed, I think we get that now
[19:14] <topyli> jussi: good point
[19:14] <nhandler> I think it is also worth remembering that people should generally be trusted unless there is a reason otherwise. So if multiple people from a LoCo channel present the council with the same logs, I think it is generally safe to assume they are accurate
[19:15] <topyli> private logs just gives you evidence after the fact
[19:16] <tsimpson> it's true that the main problem is the CoC not being respected in channels
[19:16] <czajkowski> I know from one loco in question where they were acting up, we pointed it out to them and pointed out we can view the logs, and soon enough they removed the bot
[19:16] <jussi> For me, we are an open community, and I see no reason not to be unless there is a compelling reason otherwise.
[19:16] <tsimpson> that's really an issue for the individual LoCo teams to enforce it though
[19:16] <itnet7> In one use case tsimpson: when people come to the LoCo Council and are looking for mediation, they tell us that there have been conflicts within the team, and often it takes place within their unlogged channel
[19:17] <nhandler> It just seems that the only reason that is being proposed to add the log bot is to "spy" on teams to make sure they are behaving. In all other channels, it is being used because the logs in those channels provide a useful reference
[19:17] <nhandler> itnet7: And nobody keeps private logs?
[19:18] <czajkowski> nhandler: I'd say using the word spy is rther inflamatory tbh
[19:18] <tsimpson> itnet7: sure, but if a LoCo has an offtopic/unlogged channel, they'd just move there and continue
[19:18] <czajkowski> nhandler: and those kinda words tends to set some folks off on rants which isn't very helpful
[19:18] <itnet7> Some of them are unestablished teams, and don't realize how easy they could request the bot to begin with
[19:18] <topyli> itnet7: but shouldn't that just teach them to log the channel voluntarily so you can help them better? forcing the log bot is quite another thing
[19:18] <itnet7> so I doubt they have private logs
[19:19] <jussi> private logs often tend to be patchy.
[19:19] <czajkowski> tsimpson: for the teams I've seen who created an unlogged channel or a chat channel, most of the conversation ends up there and the other main channel ends up rather ghost like
[19:19] <nhandler> jussi: Yeah, it would be important to get logs from multiple people in the channel to confirm
[19:20] <tsimpson> private logs can also be easily falsified
[19:20] <itnet7> I guess in a way topyli, It just seems that if we make it part of registering the primary LoCo channel, that it would help out new teams and get everyone on the same sheet of music from the beginning
[19:20] <czajkowski> itnet7: exactly
[19:21] <nhandler> Have we even checked with Canonical if they would be fine with this? I thought we were using the Ubuntu-EU bot for logging loco channels
[19:21] <itnet7> Then we can suggest when someone is having coversations that aren't CoC friendly we can suggest that they, create an off-topic channel, and encourage them
[19:21] <topyli> generally speaking, i do think public logs would be the most appropriate way for an open community. i would like to decide based on that
[19:21] <jussi> Just one thing to note, the new GMS is planned to have logging available without the use of personal log bots. SO that may change things.
[19:21] <tsimpson> nhandler: it's just a discussion right now, no implementation has been looked at
[19:21] <itnet7> I think the effort here was to see if there was any buy-in and too make sure you folks would be fine with it
[19:22] <itnet7> And if it was technically possible and no huge opposition, then speak with Canonical on it
[19:22] <nhandler> I would like to hear some more feedback from the LoCo teams before going any further with this decision. Their feedback would be very useful
[19:23] <topyli> itnet7: making it part of channel creation is certainly a good idea. enforcing it to existing ones after the fact is more difficult
[19:23] <czajkowski> I can add it to our council meeting so
[19:23] <czajkowski> there are at present 78 approved team and 138 unapproved teams
[19:23] <tsimpson> I think it will be difficult to enforce logging in non-approved LoCo's, as we don't know when/if they are created
[19:23] <itnet7> The LoCo Teams should have logging based on the getting started wiki's
[19:23] <jussi> perhaps this should go to both the loco contacts and the irc ML's?
[19:23] <tsimpson> unless someone adds it to the wiki and then someone else checks the channel
[19:23] <czajkowski> would a suggestion be to add it to the unapproved teams and work from there ??
[19:24] <nhandler> I would also like to try and get a list of pros/cons of this change put together.
[19:24] <czajkowski> jussi: I suggested the council meeting, but mailing list also would be fine. I'd just suggest one list rather than two as otherwise folowing threads will get noisey
[19:24] <tsimpson> would it be easier to say a channel being logged be a part of the approval prerequisites?
[19:25] <czajkowski> tsimpson: I'd like to do that going forward with the 138 that are there atm
[19:25] <nhandler> Would someone like to take the action to start documenting some of the pros/cons on the wiki ?
[19:25] <nhandler> I think this would be useful to summarize the IRC/ML discussions
[19:26] <czajkowski> nhandler: you seem to want to drive that, I like to hear more of your thoughts on it
[19:26] <tsimpson> if we move the discussion to a ML, it should be the LoCo list I think
[19:26] <nhandler> tsimpson: Agreed
[19:26] <czajkowski> tsimpson: +1
[19:26] <topyli> yeah
[19:26] <topyli> is the loco list moderated?
[19:27] <nhandler> czajkowski: I can create the initial page. I would appreciate some help keeping it updated (especially once the ML discussion starts)
[19:27] <nhandler> topyli: loco-contacts is not
[19:27] <topyli> nhandler: ok
[19:27] <jussi> +1 for taking it to loco-contacts ml
[19:27] <nhandler> Who wants to start that ML discussion?
[19:28] <topyli> czajkowski does :)
[19:28] <czajkowski> nhandler: would you like it to come from the loco council
[19:28] <czajkowski> topyli: hush you or I'll start to give you some of my action items :p
[19:28] <tsimpson> I think gathering the opinion of the LoCo teams will help us here, the man objection is based on how people would feel if the channels were all logged
[19:28] <nhandler> czajkowski: That is fine
[19:28] <tsimpson> s/man/main/
[19:28] <topyli> czajkowski: oh good point. should the initiative come from the irc council instead?
[19:28] <czajkowski> tsimpson: I know of course you are going to get the 1-2 people who hate cannot abide logging
[19:29] <nhandler> topyli: I think LC would be best to start this discussion, but that is just me
[19:29] <tsimpson> czajkowski: absolutely, we need to try not to be overwhelmed by the vocal minority here
[19:30] <nhandler> So should we give the LC the action to start the initial ML discussion?
[19:30] <czajkowski> tsimpson: indeed and I think in some cases we tend to shy away from some things due to the few people who kick up for what ever reason tbh
[19:30] <czajkowski> and think of the greater community
[19:30] <tsimpson> it may be an idea to use LP to poll the teams? or am I being crazy here?
[19:30] <czajkowski> nhandler: myself and itnet7 wil get cracking on it
[19:30] <nhandler> tsimpson: That won't let us get comments/other feedback easily
[19:30] <czajkowski> tsimpson: LP poll?
[19:30] <nhandler> czajkowski: Great
[19:30] <czajkowski> nhandler: glad you're happy! :)
[19:30] <nhandler> [ACTION] czajkowski and itnet7 to send out initial email to loco-contacts@ requesting feedback
[19:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  czajkowski and itnet7 to send out initial email to loco-contacts@ requesting feedback
[19:30] <tsimpson> czajkowski: can't launchpad be used to poll a team? or am I dreaming?
[19:30] <czajkowski> itnet7: my dear ;) do not run away on me
[19:30] <itnet7> cya
[19:31] <itnet7> j/k
[19:31] <czajkowski> tsimpson: it's not at all nice to use, plus mail will give people tons of space to give us feedback
[19:31] <nhandler> tsimpson: It can. But only for yes/no style polls. You can't add a textbox asking for an explanation or anything like that
[19:31] <tsimpson> nhandler: yes, a ML discussion as well
[19:31] <tsimpson> I mean in addition
[19:31] <czajkowski> which I'm sure we're going to get some large text boxes from people :)
[19:31] <topyli> i do hate democracy in these decisions though
[19:31] <tsimpson> the poll will let us see a "cold" view of the issue
[19:32] <nhandler> Would someone like to assist me with the pros/cons wiki page? I doubt I will be able to keep it updated myself once the ML discussion begins
[19:32] <tsimpson> *would, not will
[19:32] <jussi> yes, tsimpson is correct.
[19:32] <czajkowski> topyli: aye I do wonder in some cases would it just be easier to add the bot and deal with the 3-4 people who wont like logging afterwards
[19:32] <tsimpson> ie: the shouting few will not be able to drown out others
[19:32] <topyli> czajkowski: there is that. just announce, "there's been a change"
[19:33] <jussi> itnet7: or czajkowski could one of you or another loco council memebr help nhandler with the pros/cons page?
[19:33] <itnet7> I will check it for updates
[19:33] <nhandler> tsimpson: I would prefer to wait to do that until after at least some initial discussion takes place. Otherwise, people will be voting without knowing much about the issue.
[19:33] <czajkowski> jussi: I cant say for sure they're not here atm.
[19:34] <tsimpson> nhandler: yes, defiantly
[19:34] <nhandler> [IDEA] Create a LP poll after some initial discussion to poll LoCo members about this change
[19:34] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Create a LP poll after some initial discussion to poll LoCo members about this change
[19:34] <itnet7> and help add and additions to the wiki page
[19:34] <czajkowski> topyli: soemtimes that's easier than ml debates knowing how well some discssions turn out.
[19:34] <nhandler> Thanks itnet7
[19:34] <nhandler> [ACTION] nhandler and itnet7 to work on pros/cons wiki page
[19:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler and itnet7 to work on pros/cons wiki page
[19:35] <topyli> czajkowski: yeah well, let's get feedback. sometimes you get good arguments from there, might as well use it
[19:35] <tsimpson> so start off the ML discussion first and get some general feedback, then poll uses on the idea. that way we should get a decent overview of the perception
[19:35] <Pici> ohey, this is now.
[19:35] <topyli> Pici! <3
[19:36] <czajkowski> topyli: well I figured we weren't going to just do it
[19:36] <czajkowski> :)
[19:36] <tsimpson> we're all here? well well :)
[19:36] <Pici> Sorry guys, got sidetracked playing with my arduino.
[19:36] <nhandler> tsimpson: And we'll have a pros/cons wiki page created based on the general feedback that we will include in the poll
[19:36] <czajkowski> Pici: aloha! where were you!
[19:36] <itnet7> no then was now, and now is now Pici  :-)
[19:36] <nhandler> But remember, all of this is just to get some feedback. Even the poll. We will need to meet and discuss again before deciding anything imo
[19:37] <czajkowski> nhandler: don't worry, I understand
[19:37] <nhandler> :)
[19:37] <topyli> can we wrap this up then?
[19:37] <nhandler> So is there anything more to discuss here about that topic?
[19:37] <czajkowski> nhandler: dont oanic not gonna go making folks add bot till it's discssed
[19:37]  * nhandler hugs czajkowski
[19:38] <nhandler> Alright, I think we can move on.
[19:38] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Fixed Agenda Items
[19:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Fixed Agenda Items
[19:38] <nhandler> tsimpson: You checked out the bugs before the meeting, right?
[19:39] <tsimpson> yeah, there is the ever-present "#ubuntu is too noisy" which is not going away any time soon
[19:39] <topyli> heh
[19:39] <tsimpson> and the Guadalinex issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/guadalinex/+bug/513915
[19:39] <tsimpson> which seems to have stalled in progress
[19:39] <jussi> it had a fixed release at one point
[19:39] <topyli> it was so promising at some point in time
[19:40] <nhandler> jussi: The Guadalinex Edu task is Fix Released
[19:40] <tsimpson> for those who don't know, that's about IRC clients joining #ubuntu by default
[19:40] <tsimpson> and sub-distributions picking up those same settings
[19:40] <tsimpson> which is not so good for other-language distros
[19:40] <nhandler> I'm not sure what needs to be done for the Guadalinex task to be closed as well
[19:41] <tsimpson> neither am I, we should get back in contact with them and poke for a progress update
[19:41] <nhandler> Does someone want to take that action?
[19:41] <tsimpson> I'll comment on the bug
[19:41] <nhandler> [ACTION] tsimpson to comment on Guadalinex bug for status update on Guadalinex task
[19:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tsimpson to comment on Guadalinex bug for status update on Guadalinex task
[19:41] <topyli> that should be enough, the maintainers will get mail
[19:41] <jussi> yeah, agreed
[19:41] <Pici> hopefully.
[19:41] <tsimpson> if by the next meeting there is no response, I'll look in to it further
[19:41] <jussi> hai Pici!
[19:41] <nhandler> And any volunteers for the post-meeting tasks? If not, I'll handle them.
[19:41] <tsimpson> I/we
[19:42] <Pici> nhandler: What needs to be done?
[19:42] <nhandler> Pici: Everything but the first fixed item on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[19:42] <topyli> isn't that one of the perks that go with chairing? :)
[19:42] <tsimpson> monthly report/minutes
[19:42] <nhandler> Pici: So team report, wiki, minutes, etc
[19:42] <nhandler> topyli: If nobody else wants to, then yes ;)
[19:43] <tsimpson> any other issues anyone wants to bring up while we're all still here?
[19:43] <nhandler> So Pici, want to do it? Or should I take care of it?
[19:43] <Pici> nhandler: ooh. As much as I feel bad for missing most of the meeting, I'll let you take care of it ;)
[19:43] <nhandler> :)
[19:43] <topyli> rofl
[19:43] <nhandler> [ACTION] nhandler to take care of post-meeting tasks
[19:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to take care of post-meeting tasks
[19:44] <nhandler> So, last call for any other topics to be discussed?
[19:44] <nhandler> err s/?/./
[19:45] <jussi> one sec
[19:45] <jussi> Could we breifly touch on the -lts issue? breifly!
[19:45] <Pici> Remind me, when do we check back up on our operator candidates' probationary period thing?
[19:45] <topyli> i can touch the -lts issue with initial disagreement
[19:46] <tsimpson> 16th July
[19:46] <tsimpson> Pici: ^
[19:46] <Pici> tsimpson: okay.  I know you keep telling me, but I keep forgetting.
[19:47] <nhandler> topyli: Want to briefly explain the issue
[19:47] <topyli> ok
[19:48] <topyli> on the mailing list, someone suggested that lts users should have a separate support channel
[19:48] <topyli> that's because most people don't run lts on desktop, and support can be poor
[19:48] <topyli> because the helpers don't remember what life was like on hardy :)
[19:48] <tsimpson> this is mostly for LTS desktop only, not server
[19:49] <jussi> The thing is, for me, there is a reasonable size group who do run it on the desktop.
[19:49] <topyli> yeah, servers would still be on -server
[19:49] <Pici> Wouldn't we get into the same scenario where we're ferrying people from #ubuntu into other channels?  May I remind people what #ubuntu starts to look like when +1 gets close to release?
[19:50] <topyli> there are a number of newbies that got ubuntu preinstalled, or a friend installed lts for them
[19:50] <jussi> There are people who are more than happy to not upgrade - and I think that a -lts channel woul actually be very suitable to have.
[19:51] <jussi> Pici: there is that to a point - but lts's could be patched to default to that channel instead.
[19:51] <topyli> it is a reasonable idea, but i still tend to disagree
[19:51] <tsimpson> personally, I think the bulk of question in #ubuntu are not that release-specific
[19:51] <topyli> most newbie questions are generally understandable to helpers
[19:51] <nhandler> jussi: Would LTS support still take place in -lts when it is the current release then?
[19:51] <tsimpson> the only issues are when the desktop goes under a major transition
[19:51] <Pici> jussi: Then you aren't going to see this go into effect for another 2 years.. at least.
[19:51] <tsimpson> like when we switched to KDE4 in #kubuntu
[19:52] <nhandler> Pici: That is what I was thinking
[19:52] <nhandler> But even with a major change, the same questions tend to come up over and over, so the helpers tend to remember the differences.
[19:52] <Pici> I don't see this as a valid SRU, and even if it was, we wouldn't be touching the default channel for people who already have an LTS installed.
[19:52] <topyli> i also don't know if help would actually be available on -lts
[19:53] <nhandler> I think several of the points brought up on the ML could also be solved by people only interested in helping with LTS issues utilizing the meta bot
[19:54] <jussi> Perhaps it needs more thought. I guess we can come back to it next meeting or the one after.
[19:54] <nhandler> Is there anything we (IRCC) can do to help the discussion on the ML?
[19:54] <tsimpson> I'm generally opposed to splitting #ubuntu, so there needs to be an extremely good reason to do so
[19:55] <topyli> tsimpson: likewise
[19:55] <Pici> tsimpson: agreed.
[19:56] <jussi> right. so shall we agree to take this up at a later date if need be?
[19:56] <tsimpson> nhandler: I think the main issues have already been brought up on the ML, like turning #ubuntu in to a "please ask in #..." channel
[19:56] <topyli> nhandler: we can state our worry about the quality of the future -lts channel (will any helpers actually join it), and we can acknowledge the existance of lts desktop users on the positive side
[19:56] <Pici> : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[19:56] <Pici> oops
[19:56] <topyli> i can take action if that sounds sane
[19:56] <nhandler> That might be useful. We can then come back to this topic at a later date to make a formal decision
[19:57] <tsimpson> I think we should respond to let people know we are discussing it at least
[19:57] <topyli> i'll try and summarize all the points made in the ml discussion and here
[19:57] <Pici> tsimpson: Since no one reads our meeting logs? :P
[19:57] <topyli> tsimpson: yes let's not let the thread die
[19:57] <nhandler> [ACTION] topyli to send email regarding -lts channel to ML to express some of our views and let them know the issue is being discussed
[19:57] <MootBot> ACTION received:  topyli to send email regarding -lts channel to ML to express some of our views and let them know the issue is being discussed
[19:57] <nhandler> [AGREE] We will discuss this issue more at a future meeting after more discussion
[19:58] <topyli> hahaha
[19:58] <nhandler> Anything else that we need to cover?
[19:58] <tsimpson> I think that's all, and we went an hour with only one agenda item ;)
[19:58] <jussi> nope
[19:58] <topyli> yes. why is getting-things-gnome broken? :/
[19:58] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[19:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:58.
[19:58] <nhandler> Good meeting everyone.
[19:59] <nhandler> topyli: #ubuntu for support (or #ubuntu-lts if you are running lucid ;) )
[19:59] <topyli> thanks guys
[19:59] <topyli> :)
[19:59] <Pici> sorry again, and I'll set an alarm for the next one ;)
[20:00]  * tsimpson suggests KAlarm, because it's just so good


[21:29] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: it will be in a PPA though
[21:30] <rom1v> :'(
[21:30] <Mimi> So you can still download and install it
[21:30] <EruditeHermit> exco: I wanted to see how much faster it is
[21:31] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive
[21:31] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: if you are desperate
[21:31] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: beware of breakage though
[21:31] <exco> I have a X700 and glxgears now shows more than 2500fps (without tweaking) and with the radeon drivers it was ~2000fps, EruditeHermit
[21:31] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: you keep both halves if it breaks
[21:32] <xxploit> 2500fps Lol
[21:32] <xxploit> wat shit card is that
[21:32] <EruditeHermit> exco: glxgears doesn't necessarily test things well. It is true that fglrx is about twice as fast in games though
[21:32] <crdlb> glxgears doesn't test things at all
[21:32] <crdlb> you should never use that number for anything
[21:32] <EruditeHermit> I used to get 3000 in hardy
[21:32] <EruditeHermit> now I get 2200 in intrepid
[21:32] <EruditeHermit> but it doesn't mean anything
[21:32] <crdlb> it either works (you have working 3d, possibly software) or it doesn't
[21:33] <exco> I couldn't care less about this test, but everything I do is smoother than before, crdlb, EruditeHermit
[21:33] <EruditeHermit> exco: I believe you
[21:33] <crdlb> fglrx _is_ faster
[21:33] <EruditeHermit> exco: it has OpenGL 2 support whereas radeon only manages 1.3
[21:33] <EruditeHermit> exco: it is a better driver by all means
[21:33] <EruditeHermit> apart from the fact it breaks if ATI doesn't update it
[21:34] <crdlb> the R300 and R400 support in radeon was reverse engineered
[21:34] <EruditeHermit> and also video playback for me was better with radeon
[21:34] <rom1v> and ekiga 3?
[21:34] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: no
[21:34] <rom1v> why that?
[21:34] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: no idea
[21:35] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: openoffice3 IS in Intrepid
[21:35] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: it ISN'T installed as the default
[21:35] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: but you can install 3.0 easily actually
[21:35] <rom1v> yes, I understood that... but "what a shame" (can we say "it's a shame", what's the difference?)
[21:36] <EruditeHermit> the reason for that is openoffice has really buggy releases
[21:36] <EruditeHermit> and I think canonical didn't want to take a risk. They have only had 3 weeks before release to work on it
[21:37] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: so they stuck with 2.4 as default and included 3.0 for those that wanted it
[21:37] <danbh_intrepid> EruditeHermit: I don't see it
[21:37] <EruditeHermit> rom1v: playing it safe
[21:37]  * Mimi wonders if Ubuntu should stop having releases and just update as needed <3 <3 <3
[21:37] <EruditeHermit> danbh_intrepid: hmm maybe you are right, I have some extra repos instatlled
[21:37] <danbh_intrepid> Mimi: you forgot to duck!!!!
[21:38] <crimsun> Mimi: nothing's stopping you from doing that now...
[21:38] <Mimi> I can take it, I'm strong, bring it on!.. no, I dont want a fight >.<
[21:38] <danbh_intrepid> Mimi: I asked on the devel-discuss mailing list, and I got some explanatory reponses, and some hostile ones
[21:39] <Mimi> crimsun, I know, but if they rush to meet release deadlines, could they overlook bugs that need to be fixed?
[21:39] <Mimi> I don't care either way, I'm sticking with Ubuntu regardless. I just wonder if it would be better
[21:39] <EruditeHermit> I doubt it would be better
[21:39] <EruditeHermit> because then you'd have delays
[21:39] <Mimi> such as?
[21:39] <crimsun> Mimi: there are tons of bugs that don't get fixed simply due to lack of resources.  E.g., number of eyes on bugs
[21:39] <EruditeHermit> thats what fedora does
[21:40] <danbh_intrepid> I think getdeb.net and playdeb.net are kinda bridging the gap a bit
[21:40] <EruditeHermit> and debian
[21:40] <EruditeHermit> debian especially has release delays
[21:40] <EruditeHermit> because you can never get everything
[21:40] <EruditeHermit> never going to be bugless software
[21:40] <Mimi> Novell, ofcourse not
[21:40] <Mimi> *no, ofcourse not
[21:43] <Mimi> ... diveintopython book comes installed....? Wow. How thoughtful. *opens it up and starts reading it :3 *
[21:46] <Newbie1> can anyone tell me why this is not working sudo cp ieee80211 /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[21:46] <Newbie1> I need to get this folder in the wireless folder
[21:46] <Newbie1> I think
[21:46] <crimsun> use either -r or -a for a folder
[21:46] <Newbie1> where after the cp ?
[21:47] <crimsun> yes
[21:47] <Newbie1> done thanks
[21:49] <Newbie1> anyone running a msi wind ?
[21:51] <bronzewalla84> so i'm trying to play an mp3 with vlc, i get no sound and vlc skips through to track very quickly, i'm guessing this a codec problem, but can't figure it out... please help
[21:54] <danbh_intrepid> bronzewalla84: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:54] <mich2> Hello again, i'm currently stuck at my STL problem in STL_Construct.h.. http://pastebin.ca/1228731
[21:54] <mich2> anyone an idea whats wrong since i upgraded to intrepid ?
[21:54] <danbh_intrepid> hey mich2 I had an idea, try installing build-essentials
[21:55] <danbh_intrepid> maybe something didnt upgrade right
[21:55] <Andy80> hi all
[21:55] <mich2> it's already installed
[21:55] <dphase> anyone seen issues witk jockey not able to install nvidia drivers?
[21:55] <danbh_intrepid> o well
[21:55] <mich2> maybe trying an autoremove ?
[21:55] <Andy80>  a little question: when you're in the login screen, you can choose the language, set default language ecc.... but, what if you want the language to be automatically set, depending on the user that does login? for example... if I log with andy80 I want English, if I login with pippo I want Italian ecc.... is it possibile to do it?
[22:05] <jrib> Andy80: doesn't your choice persist when you make it the first time/
[22:06] <sorush20> hi I would like to sort out this error with gpg keys..
[22:06] <sorush20> I'm not seeing the interpid repositories despite adding them correctly to the sources.list
[22:07] <sorush20> I get time out server and I'm using a proxy.. I have set synaptic to use poxy but its no use..
[22:07] <sorush20> can anyone help its been a few days
[22:08] <Andy80> jrib, the problem is that the choice persist :) I explain better.... If the default language is english, I want to login with another user that wants italian. He choose italian and at this point GDM asks: do you want Italian to be default language, only this session or cancel?
[22:09] <Andy80> if you choose default, you change the default language, and I don't want this. if you choose only this session, the choice is not saved.... understand now?
[22:09] <soundray> Andy80: choode "default language". It will only apply to that particular user.
[22:10] <soundray> *choose
[22:10] <Andy80> soundray, I try, wait...
[22:12] <MadsRH> Can anyone tell me why I can't see my webcam in 8.10? I would like to try Cheese :-) "lsusb" showes Bus 002 Device 002: ID 041e:4053 Creative Technology, Ltd Live! Cam Video IM
[22:17] <Andy80> soundray, this is what happens (I repeat it again): when I logout from english user and try to login with italian one, I get this message: Do you wish to make English(USA) the default for future sessions? - You have chosen English(USA) for this sessione, but your default setting is Italian: Just for this session - Cancel - Make Default?
[22:18] <danbh_intrepid> MadsRH: try gstreamer-properties
[22:18] <sorush20> gpg –keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com –recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[22:18] <Andy80> If I click on Make Default, it makes english the default language for the italian user
[22:19] <Don_Miguel> ouch
[22:19] <soundray> Andy80: that's a bug. Please report it on launchpad. Mention that it's a regression, because hardy doesn't have this problem.
[22:19] <sorush20> gpg –keyserver khp://keyserver.ubuntu.com –recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 usage: gpg [options] [filename]
[22:20] <sorush20> I keep getting this error where is kubuntu key server?
[22:20] <Andy80> soundray, ok, I'll submit it as a bug, maybe later, I cannot right now, I've to finisgh preparing 8 pc for LinuxDay next week :)
[22:20] <Andy80> thanks anyway
[22:21] <Newbie1> sudo cp /*.ko /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[22:22] <Newbie1> wgy doe this not work
[22:22] <dli_> how to make compiz work with gnome? I thought this was the default for gnome
[22:22] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, it is, howver you need to have to correct drivers installed
[22:22] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, also, you may need to dowload another manager from the repos
[22:22] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, intel 945, xf86-video-intel, by default
[22:23] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, which one?
[22:23] <sorush20> I keep getting key server time outs
[22:23] <sorush20> gpg --keyserver subkeys.gpg.net --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[22:23] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, im not sure what u mean..
[22:23] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, "to dowload another manager "?
[22:24] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, ah.. ok. go into your Repostiry, and type in Compiz extra effects or something like that
[22:25] <B3z3rk3r> will come up with CCSM i think
[22:25] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, I have ccsm now
[22:25] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, you need to install that, which u can then enable all the extra effects in compiz under Gnome
[22:26] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, already enabled them:( not seeing
[22:26] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, are u getting any effects at all ?
[22:26] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, not sure now, ps shows compiz up
[22:26] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, I am using vnc to test this remote machine, maybe effects are on
[22:27] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, thanks for help
[22:28] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, so its working?
[22:29] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, do u have access to the machine? im not sure if effects will show up on a remote machine as iv never tried honestly
[22:29] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, not sure:(
[22:29] <dli_> the machine is in another country :)
[22:29] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, I don't have a visa to go there
[22:29] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, ROFl.. so we are kinda screwed then.. ok. wel as long as CCSM is up and running, chances are that it will be fine
[22:30] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, i guess it's fine. compiz up and I can play ccsm
[22:30] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, not sure how compiz works on dual monitor still
[22:30] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, great, wel there u go then :) iv had issues with dual monitor from 7.10
[22:31] <B3z3rk3r> havent tried its since tho..
[22:31] <B3z3rk3r> so really couldnt tel u
[22:31] <B3z3rk3r> useing xp a lot more again
[22:31] <B3z3rk3r> i know.. heresy!  :p
[22:31] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, can I get gnome panel up on the second monitor? I couldn't get xfce panel there either
[22:32] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, didnt really get a chnce to play around with it much when i had it working, i simply use d it as an extention to my current monitor.. no bars.. nothing
[22:33] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, although im sure its possible to get that working, im really not sure where to go from here to help u do that as i dont have any XP with that
[22:33] <B3z3rk3r> sory bud
[22:34] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, ok:( it's a poor eee-pc, now, with large external monitor
[22:35] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, lol.. u are inflicting extra compiz effects on a EEE? man u are cruel.. lol
[22:35] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, i have seen an EEE running compiz sufiently, abliet not smoothly
[22:35] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, wouldnt reccomend it honestly
[22:36] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, it was pretty smooth with xfce+compiz
[22:37] <B3z3rk3r> on a bare install?
[22:37] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, then, we brought in extra monitor, xrandr in Xorg-7.3 contains a bug, so I upgraded
[22:37] <B3z3rk3r> to Ubuntu x.x ?
[22:37] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, the asus os is awful. I just deleted everything, use linear raid to combine two SSDs
[22:38] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, I installed 8.04, then, to get rid of the xrandr bug, upgraded to 8.10 yesterday
[22:38] <B3z3rk3r> Xandros is actually quite good i thought... just needed to become power user friendly to
[22:39] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, no, I don't like aufs, and small 4GB partition for system
[22:39] <B3z3rk3r> ah k... with 8.10 u may still ahve some teething issues as its not oficial yet as im sure u know
[22:39] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, don't see any issue yet
[22:40] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, in that case i might give it a go myself
[22:40] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, X virtual was set to "1600x1600" by default, I modified it to "2048x2048"
[22:40] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, I hate ubuntu to modify my xorg.conf, how to disable this feature
[22:40] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, cant seem to get my GTX280 to work with ubuntu 8.04, might give 8.10 a go
[22:40] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, wow.. thats a nice monitor!
[22:41] <B3z3rk3r> dli_,  u can manually modify your xorg .conf
[22:41] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, no, Virtual, it's 1280x1024 and 1024x600, so, 1600x1600 slightly missed the 1624 minimum
[22:42] <B3z3rk3r> dli_, oh.. i se
[22:42] <dli_> B3z3rk3r, yes, but ubuntu keeps modifying it, I havet "chatter +i"
[22:42] <vinicius> hi! i dont know whats happening here... when I scroll the content of some windows (in office or firefox for example), the text leaves some kind of "fake text" on the screen that's only printed. If i minimize and restore the windows it comes back to normal until the next scrolling or typing...
[22:42] <vinicius> if i also change a firefox tab, the text only changes if i scroll it...
[22:42] <dli_> vinicius, video-card driver bug:)
[22:43] <dli_> ati?
[22:43] <vinicius> dli_: is that being normal in intrepid with nvidia videocards?
[22:43] <dli_> vinicius, nvidia is slightly better than ati, but still a random bug generator
[22:44] <dli_> vinicius, buy intel video card next time:)
[22:44] <vinicius> dli_: when i turn the computer off as well, some kind of gost comes off instead of the "ubuntu turn-off screen"
[22:44] <B3z3rk3r> vinicius, ati is known for por support of their cards in general, however the prob is amplified by ubuntu and linux in genral
[22:45] <vinicius> B3z3rk3r: dli_ have you seen anyone reporting somehting like this before?
[22:45] <vinicius> B3z3rk3r: dli_ it was pretty ok before with hardy....
[22:45] <dli_> vinicius, I don't care about binary only drivers:( traumatized
[22:46] <vinicius> B3z3rk3r: dli_ the new nvidia drivers released today are being downloaded right now... :(
[22:46] <vinicius> B3z3rk3r: dli_ lets see if it works
[22:46] <B3z3rk3r> vinicius, good luck
[22:46] <vinicius> B3z3rk3r: dli_ thanks for the attentio, anyway
[22:47] <B3z3rk3r> vinicius, comeback if u dont ahve any luck k?
[22:47] <vinicius> B3z3rk3r: dli_ i will... thanks!
[22:49] <Windsurfer619> Hi, suppose I have an nVidia 6150, what packages would I need to install on a liveCD to get 3D acceleration out of the box? Are there open source drivers?
[22:50] <vinicius> Windsurfer619: I suppose its the nvidia-117*
[22:50] <vinicius> or 177 :p
[22:50] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, your card should be detected automatically, and ready to go. If not come back and see us here :)
[22:51] <dli_> Windsurfer619, nouveau driver
[22:51] <vinicius> Windsurfer619: but ubuntu asks u if you want to install them at boot if theyre not opensource
[22:51] <B3z3rk3r> 178.24 is out as of 15th OCT
[22:51] <dli_> Windsurfer619, I can see the development is pretty active for nouveau
[22:51] <Windsurfer619> Keep in mind this is a LiveDVD. I tried the nvidia-glx-173. Should it just work with the 177?
[22:52] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, yes, should do? may i ask why u are runninga live cd instead of an install?
[22:53] <Windsurfer619> B3z3rk3r: Lab computers > lan party
[22:53] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, ahaha... nice!!!
[22:53] <Windsurfer619> I bought 20 DVDs for 8 bucks :)
[22:53] <Windsurfer619> well, mini-dvds, just to be cool.
[22:54] <Windsurfer619> So yeah, I need this for tomorrow... I made a test DVD with nvidia-glx-173 and it just didn't work at all. If I install the 177, it should just work out-of-the box? No "driver download" or anything once I'm in gnome?
[22:55] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, perhaps. although depends on your machines config, hardware.. blah blah blah
[22:55] <Windsurfer619> gaah
[22:56] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, so relly cant say for sure
[22:56] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, best idea is a test batch
[22:56] <Windsurfer619> Well I know it's already that awkward square-resolution screen
[22:56] <Windsurfer619> Well, I need it for tomorrow, so this is best-guess and pray
[22:57] <B3z3rk3r> if it doesnt work.. compiz isnt such a big deal.. just a cool hook really, or personally, i find it to be a productivity boost
[22:57] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, give the latest drivers a go as they will surely have the ebst support
[22:57] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, gl
[22:57] <Windsurfer619> Compiz isn't the issue. BZFlag, openarena, and warsow are.
[22:57] <Windsurfer619> okay!
[22:57] <Windsurfer619> thank you.
[23:00] <B3z3rk3r> Windsurfer619, np mate.. enjoy
[23:01] <Windsurfer619> Just wondering... what would be the cause for the 173 not working?
[23:01] <Windsurfer619> or... could be the cause
[23:05] <sorush20> hi how is everyone?
[23:06] <sorush20> ubottu: Hi can you hear me?
[23:06] <Windsurfer619> Hello!
[23:06] <Windsurfer619> I'm alright.
[23:06] <sorush20> good what has happened there seems to bee low activity in terms of help and interaction
[23:06] <sorush20> is ubuntu very busy?
[23:07] <Denise> I think they are all eating their kraft dinner
[23:07] <sorush20> what is that?
[23:08] <Denise> a meal for nerds
[23:08] <B3z3rk3r> lol... /facepalm
[23:08] <Denise> geez
[23:08] <Denise> kidding
[23:09] <Windsurfer619> lol
[23:09] <Windsurfer619> I had steak and a yam, thankyouverymuch
[23:09] <sorush20> oh that is nasty
[23:09]  * B3z3rk3r is only 5 mins away from completion of his psych class for today!!!
[23:11]  * B3z3rk3r bids you all farewell as class is now over!  :)  goodluck all, back later
[23:12] <Denise> I wonder if one can know eveything about linux
[23:12] <Windsurfer619> Un-possible
[23:13] <Denise> there are so many programs
[23:13] <Denise> and gadgets
[23:13] <Denise> and experiences
[23:13] <Mimi> I wonder if Linus knows everything about Linux
[23:13] <Denise> many of them doing the same thing
[23:16] <Denise> how come my ip is not hidden
[23:16] <vinicius> dli_: i had no luck here.. :p
[23:17] <vinicius> i took a screenshot to help explain the problem
[23:17] <vinicius> http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2479/capturadetelanu1.jpg
[23:17] <Denise> what was ur question vinicius
[23:17] <vinicius> Denise: there I moved the openoffice cursor with the keyboard from left to right
[23:17] <vinicius> Denise: take a look in the image
[23:18] <Denise> what does it mean?
[23:18] <vinicius> Denise: the cursos leaves some traces
[23:19] <vinicius> *cursor
[23:19] <Denise> what the sentence means in english
[23:19] <vinicius> Denise: oh... thats not important at all..
[23:19] <vinicius> Denise: Im having this problem here with things printed on the screen that arent actually there
[23:20] <vinicius> Denise: if i scroll the page, so it comes back to normal
[23:20] <vinicius> Denise: but thats really pissing me off
[23:21] <vinicius> Denise: how would you describe this problem? my english is not that good and i want to put in ubuntuforums
[23:22] <Denise> i dunno
[23:22] <Denise> but i would like to know what it means in englsih
[23:22] <Windsurfer619> Sounds like you're getting graphical artifacts from the cursor in OpenOffice
[23:23] <Denise> justificativa
[23:24] <Denise> urbanism plan
[23:25] <Denise> traba
[23:25] <Denise> social assistance
[23:25] <Denise> conseguimos
[23:25] <Denise> curitabla
[23:25] <adelie42> how do you disable ipv6 support completely? having issues again since upgrading. 'blacklist ipv6' in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[23:26] <adelie42> that worked before
[23:26] <Denise> curitaba
[23:28] <vinicius> Denise: its my degree tesis
[23:28] <vinicius> Denise: we have a lot of waste catchers here in brazil
[23:29] <vinicius> Denise: its missing social development
[23:29] <vinicius> Denise: and actually you have a brazilian name
[23:31] <Denise> DEnise?
[23:31] <Denise> brezilian?
[23:31] <Denise> lol
[23:31] <Denise> first time
[23:31] <Denise> it is portuguese?
[23:31] <LjL> !offtopic
[23:31] <Denise> I was searching in my spanish dictionary
[23:32] <vinicius> Denise: yes it is
[23:32] <teeahr1> Hey everybody. Upgraded to the Kubuntu beta this morning, have had a few problems which mostly haven't been that bad. But I'm having some trouble with a program I compiled before upgrading (I had a feeling I should have run "make uninstall" first...)
[23:33] <joaopinto> teeahr1, most programs do not provide a "make uninstall"
[23:33] <joaopinto> if you upgraded to newer libs, you will need to recompile the app
[23:33] <vinicius> teeahr1: and that really sucks... once you installed.. thats it..
[23:33] <neztiti> guys how i can remove input action from my system ???
[23:33] <DrunkenPirate34> hey guys
[23:34] <joaopinto> teeahr1, you can use checkinstall make install, to produce a .deb package and then remove it
[23:35] <DrunkenPirate34> I just updated and restarted today. My wireless USB mouse worked fine before the restart, but no I cannot get it to work at all. I will test other USB devices and get back to anyone who responds. I have tried a different port, etc.
[23:35] <Denise> south america project
[23:35] <neztiti> joaopinto: let me know how
[23:35] <teeahr1> I wasn't finished, you guys out-typed me :) It's Krusader, and it compiles with cmake. It does provide a "make uninstall," I often upgrade the svn version. Since upgrading to 8.10, somehow the executable got "lost" (it's still there, in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/, but that's not in $PATH anymore)...
[23:36] <teeahr1> So I was going to uninstall and reinstall the new svn version, but now I'm getting a message that says "find_package could not find module FindKDE4Internal.cmake"
[23:36] <DrunkenPirate34> Ok, my USB system is not working at all after the update and restart...
[23:37] <DrunkenPirate34> and jokey-gtk just quit
[23:37] <teeahr1> cmake is definitely still there, but the module FindKDE4Internal.cmake isn't, or at least it's not in /usr/share/cmake/modules
[23:37] <vinicius> how can i add images on ubuntu forums? is there a [img] tag?
[23:38] <ronny> hi
[23:38] <Denise> development
[23:39] <ronny> got a weird issue, gnome-window decorations are entirely gone and all apps are started as fullscreen, anyone got an idea what could be the cause?
[23:39] <ronny> (i recently installed ubuntu-mobile by accident, removing didnt help tho)
[23:40] <skyjumper> ronny: that sounds like what happens if you press whichever key is defined as 'fullscreen' in compiz
[23:40] <pi-meson> I should be able to install the ibex beta now and basically just apt-get update/upgrade my way to the full release between now and oct 30, right?
[23:40] <Windsurfer619> yes, theoretically
[23:41] <ronny> skyjumper: any idea how to fix?
[23:41] <Denise> u make me spin
[23:41] <ronny> skyjumper: oh, compiz isnt running ?!
[23:42] <sorush20>  is there something wrong with my sources list I@m not seening amarok new version
[23:42] <sorush20> (23:39:07) sorush20: http://pastebin.ca/1228832
[23:42] <pi-meson> and if my machine has an e1000 nic internally, i won't be able to use it with the beta, but I should if i upgrade?
[23:44] <ronny> anyone got an idea?
[23:47] <DrunkenPirate34> is there a fix for jockey yet?
[23:47] <sorush20> hi
[23:47] <sorush20> why am I getting this ignored list?
[23:47] <sorush20> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_GB
[23:47] <sorush20> why?
[23:47] <sorush20> is there something worng?
[23:47] <crimsun> sorush20: nothing has changed in that pocket, so why wouldn't it be ignored?
[23:47] <raffster> I have an issue with my wireless card in 8.10
[23:48] <raffster> I just upgraded to 8.10
[23:48] <raffster> my wireless card will not enable
[23:48] <raffster> I can detect it
[23:48] <raffster> the driver appears to be installed correctly
[23:49] <raffster> iwconfig wlan0 works fine
[23:49] <DrunkenPirate34> submit a bugreport
[23:49] <raffster> how?
[23:49] <raffster> for what package?
[23:49] <raffster> here is the thing
[23:49] <raffster> if I boot up with the old kernel
[23:49] <raffster> everything works
[23:49] <DrunkenPirate34> submit a bug report w/the kernel
[23:52] <raffster> how do I submit a bug report
[23:52] <Mimi> !bug
[23:52] <sorush20> crimsun: why am I getting old version of amarok?
[23:54] <sorush20> I'm getting amarok 1.4
[23:54] <crimsun> sorush20: what version did you expect?
[23:54] <sorush20> why?>
[23:54] <ralpho> how do you put back the taskbar clock the widgets one dont have date.
[23:54] <sorush20> 2.4
[23:56] <krash> Greets
[23:56] <ralpho> doh
[23:57] <krash> I just wanted to mention a couple things, they are probably known already though, but I have a few icons messed up in my taskbar and when I add an item to favorites it shows up weird
[23:58] <wastrel> hi dudes
[23:58] <crimsun> sorush20: see http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2
[23:58] <Denise> ok
[23:59] <AdamMoredo> Any change that OpenOffice 3.0 will make it into the main repositories by Ibex's release date, or will it be reserved as a feature for 9.04 (Jaunty something?)