[12:09] <gary_poster> bac, just you and me today
[12:09] <bac> oic
[12:09] <bac> ok
[12:09] <gary_poster> call as soon as you show up
[12:10] <gary_poster> no rush ;-)
[13:56] <gary_poster> back in a sec
[14:51] <gary_poster> Whenever I see "Force a build" on buildbot for some strange reason I always think "Bust a move"
[16:30] <gary_poster> bac, going to go get some lunch.  If you have something even partially working with the --load-test thing, I'd love to try it, or pair with you or something.  It will greatly help with triaging the bugs that we get more and more of, I hope.
[17:10] <bac> gary_poster: my --load-list (basic) is working now and i just completed my first test run
[17:45] <gary_poster> yay bac.  I would love to use it for help with diagnosis, whenever you have a branch I can mess with.
[17:46] <bac> ok, i'll push something soon
[17:46] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[18:05] <bac> gary_poster: pushed to lp:~bac/launchpad/ordered-load-list
[18:06] <bac> gary_poster: i was able to trim the test failures produced by the branch.txt ordering bug down to the 110 on the DatabaseFunctionalLayer and the failure is shown
[18:06] <gary_poster> ordered-load-list: awesome, thanks bac.  writing doc for tomorrow's meeting then will return to running diagnostics for the bugs.
[18:06] <gary_poster> branch.txt: that's one of the bugs we have on the board?
[18:07] <gary_poster> No need to watch, but if you are interested, the doc is https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1_BtI6VDHbHL5oFp8gPX8b1X9sKfK1uj1pnjFbF1a9n4/edit
[18:07] <bac> gary_poster: that's the vocabularly bug i fixed by sorting the branch names.
[18:07] <bac> this branch, pre-fix, shows the bug cropping up with a small number of tests
[18:08] <bac> by using the new --load-list
[18:08] <gary_poster> bac, oh, interesting.  So, it is an ordering issue of some sort, and it's reproducable now.  excellent!
[18:09] <gary_poster> I suppose it does indicate a test isolation thing to investigate.  If you want to, I'd be fine with it, but I'd prefer for it to be after we dig into some of the other bugs
[18:46] <bac> ok.  it has just grabbed my curiousity
[18:46] <bac> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/960718/
[18:46] <bac> if these five tests are run, with branch.txt last, the failure occurs.  eliminating any one of them causes the failure to not be seen.
[18:52] <gary_poster> wow
[18:53] <gary_poster> bac, if you want to be stumped, I'd prefer that you be stumped about, say, bug 992184 :-)
[18:53] <_mup_> Bug #992184: lib/lp/services/database/doc/textsearching.txt fails intermittently/rarely on parallel tests <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/992184 >
[18:53] <bac> ok
[18:54] <gary_poster> as the most stumpy of the stumps I've seen lately
[18:56] <benji> that's beautiful
[19:02] <gary_poster> lol
[19:53] <bac> gary_poster: when you have time could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/ordered-load-list/+merge/104287 ?
[19:53] <gary_poster> bac, will do it now.  My call is in 7.
[19:53] <bac> gary_poster: it'll only take you 6
[19:53] <gary_poster> :-) k
[19:56] <gary_poster> bac, how odd that the old code used a list for the tests.  A set, which it created along the way, would have been much more efficient for the "in" questions, and the order appears irrelevant to me.
[19:57] <bac> gary_poster: line 16 shows the old deleted code did use a set
[19:57] <gary_poster> bac, sorted will create a list
[19:58] <gary_poster> line 36 of the diff would have been faster with a set
[19:58] <bac> gary_poster: ah, right.  both the use of the set and the sorted destroy the original ordering
[19:58] <gary_poster> right
[19:59] <bac> gary_poster: and, of course, the test suites get populated not by the order of the tests list but the order they are seen in iterate_tests(suite)
[20:00] <bac> so, basically, we can say original order was not important.  :)
[20:00] <gary_poster> :-) right
[20:01] <gary_poster> my point was simply that you were concerned about efficiency of the new approach, and the old approach was not as efficient as it could have been, even given trivial optimizations/consideration.
[20:02] <gary_poster> oh, flacoste does not appear to be around.  maybe he is at that pre-UDS meeting.  In any case, no rush there apparently. :-)
[20:04] <gary_poster> bac, I question raising an exception (lines 55-56) but I'm considering.  If I am trying to rerun tests on a new branch/revision, should it really throw up because a test is no longer around?  If it really should, it would be nicer to throw up with *all* the missing tests.  Let me see what the old code did...
[20:05] <gary_poster> yeah the old code used it as a filter
[20:05] <gary_poster> it did not puke
[20:05] <gary_poster> I'm inclined to do the same
[20:05] <gary_poster> though could be argued otherwise, maybe
[20:06] <gary_poster> bac, if you are worried about efficiency, I think you could have a more efficient initial data structure.
[20:07] <gary_poster> rather than layers -> testnames -> suites
[20:07] <gary_poster> you could simply have testnames -> (layer, suite)
[20:08] <gary_poster> then you would no longer need find_layer
[20:08] <gary_poster> you could simply do a single dict lookup
[20:08] <gary_poster> that would probably be way way faster
[20:10] <gary_poster> also afaict we discard ordered_layers and do nothing with it
[20:10] <gary_poster> removing it would be a good idea
[20:10] <gary_poster> bac ^^
[20:10] <bac> looking
[20:13] <bac> yep, ordered_layers is a leftover from a previous attempt
[20:13] <bac> i like the improvements you sugggest, gary_poster
[20:13] <gary_poster> cool
[20:13] <bac> i didn't do a time comparison but it isn't noticably slow, as is.
[20:14] <bac> with your change it may be faster than the original...
[20:14] <gary_poster> I think it would probably still be simpler/less code in the way I suggest, at least
[20:15] <gary_poster> what do you think about the exception, bac?  treat the list as an ordered filter and silently ignore missing tests, or abort if things are not as we expect?
[20:15] <gary_poster> If someone cares, they will presumably be looking at the tests that are run
[20:15] <gary_poster> I dunno
[20:15] <gary_poster> could be argued either way
[20:15] <gary_poster> though I still incline to no exception
[20:17] <bac> i think maintaining the previous behavior is the tie breaker
[20:21] <gary_poster> cool
[20:21] <gary_poster> bac, I added one other note in the MP when I was summarazing our discussion:
[20:21] <gary_poster> - We should include a comment as to why the code is maintaining order, so that future code navigators will have a clue as to intent.
[20:25] <bac> ok
[20:32] <bac> gary_poster: so, here are the timings for the three versions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/960961/
[20:33] <bac> with your changes, it is minimally faster and has few LOC

[20:33] <gary_poster> bac, :-) cool
[20:33] <gary_poster> do you think it reads more nicely?
[20:34] <bac> yes, and the reader won't get creeped out by that awful looping find_layer
[20:34] <gary_poster> :-) cool
[20:34] <gary_poster> interesting that the initial version was so ,uch slower
[20:34] <gary_poster> m
[20:36] <gary_poster> bac, btw, please don't lose your ideas from this morning to include an option to only run tests in the layer of a given target test.
[20:37] <gary_poster> I thought that would be interesting to experiment with, and possibly a real time saver
[20:38] <bac> gary_poster: no, i haven't forgotten.  but, i discovered it is quite easy to discover using --load-list / --list-tests in conjuction so that you can manually trim the input list
[20:39] <bac> but making that automatic would be swell
[20:39] <gary_poster> bac, oh, what is that trick?  I don't understand yet
[20:39] <bac> bin/test --load-list in.txt --list-test > out.txt
[20:40] <gary_poster> but what does that buy you?
[20:40] <bac> out.txt will then show the layer breaks
[20:40] <gary_poster> oh!
[20:40] <gary_poster> cool
[20:40] <gary_poster> remember that trick for Friday sharing time please bac :-)
[20:40] <bac> yeah, so my itch got less itchy when i found that
[20:40] <gary_poster> yeah
[20:40] <bac> +1
[20:41] <bac> thanks for the reminder...
[20:41] <bac> it's hell being clever and forgetful.  you don't get to show off.
[20:51] <bac> gary_poster: your review was just a comment, not an approve.  i've pushed the changes if you'd like to vote.
[20:52] <gary_poster> bac, cool, going
[20:54] <gary_poster> bac, all approved.  thank you!
[20:55] <bac> thx


[22:20] <maheanuu> histo, Yes it is but no mike for Ubuntu and it was working absolutely wunnerful before the upgrade
[22:20] <Seven_Six_Two> histo, you don't happen to be using a boxee box too do you? (alliteration +10!)
[22:20] <histo> maheanuu: check and see if it's muted.
[22:21] <histo> Seven_Six_Two: Nope.
[22:21] <maheanuu> histo,I did and it isn't
[22:21] <silvereye> maheanuu : is this a usb microphone? or one plugged into an audio port on a sound card?
[22:21] <maheanuu> silvereye, i am using a Toshiba Satellite Notebook
[22:22] <UNGNightmare> following problem: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file
[22:22] <UNGNightmare> any ideas?
[22:22] <maheanuu> silvereye, built in above the monitor
[22:22] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what did you try to do?
[22:22] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883 only java -version
[22:23] <silvereye> maheanuu : "lsusb" should tell you if it is a usb mic"
[22:23] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, 64-bit java on 32-bit ubuntu?
[22:23] <maheanuu> Silvereye, the mike is an integral part of the computer
[22:23] <crazy> slt
[22:23] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883 well that could be it ^^, how would I get a 32-bit versions of java?
[22:23] <nova_> any one have an idea of how a 8-core CPU is differing in performance on Ubuntu
[22:24] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, where did you get java to begin with?
[22:24] <silvereye> maheanuu : integral or not, it's either connected by usb internally or connected to a sound card internally, and it's important to know which for trying to correct the problem
[22:24] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: http://askubuntu.com/questions/55848/how-do-i-install-oracle-java-jdk-7
[22:24] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: lol fail mom
[22:24] <maheanuu> silvereye, just ran lsusb and it aint there
[22:24] <s3r3n1t7> nova_, you shouldnt notice any difference in performance unless you are using some very heavy multithreaded software (which i doubt if you dont know if you do)
[22:24] <maheanuu> I know that it isn't a USB mic
[22:24] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, which one did you download, i586 or x64?
[22:25] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html
[22:25] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, that is a URL to a webpage, not a download
[22:25] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: took the -x64.tar.gz ...
[22:25] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what is the output of 'uname -a'
[22:25] <tgm4883> on the command line
[22:25] <maheanuu> silvereye, it isn't listed hang on I will do a cut and paste
[22:26] <syntroPi> maheanuu, try "alsamixer"
[22:26] <silvereye> maheanuu : if you assume that it's internally connected to the laptop's sound card, then using "alsamixer" might let you activate it
[22:26] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: time and i686
[22:26] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, bammo, 64-bit java on 32-bit Ubuntu
[22:26] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, you need to download the x86 version
[22:27] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883 lol I thought that would be even higher -.-
[22:27] <nova_> s3r3nit7 , its kind of odd in how it uses all CPU cores
[22:27] <tgm4883> eg, jdk-7u13-linux-i586.tar.gz
[22:27] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: thank you very much!
[22:27] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, well to be fair, you didn't read all of the instructions that you linked to ;)
[22:27] <tgm4883> specifically
[22:27] <tgm4883> tar -xvf jdk-7u2-linux-i586.tar.gz (32bit)
[22:27] <tgm4883> tar -xvf jdk-7u2-linux-x64.tar.gz (64bit)
[22:28] <syntroPi> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[22:28] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, yw
[22:28] <maheanuu> sivvereye, it is listed and I am going to give you the paste in a couple of seconds
[22:28] <maheanuu> Silvereye http://paste.ubuntu.com/1622399/
[22:29] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883 I did, but I had no idea if I have 32 or 64 bit ^^ now I know ty!
[22:29] <maheanuu> silvereye,I tried alsa mixer last night and no joy
[22:29] <syntroPi> C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM106 Like Sound Device
[22:29] <LantzR> pbuilder ?: do you run pbuilder under your profile or as root?
[22:31] <silvereye> ok, so it is a usb sound card connected internally to the mic
[22:32] <maheanuu> silvereye, yes, I missed that on my quick readthru the first time sorry bout that
[22:32] <nova_> Is using Apache2 a security issue in Ubuntu ? if its on a live desktop "distro 64-bit"  and as well online.
[22:33] <maheanuu> silvereye, somedaze I feel that I am getting a little too old for this but I refuse to quit
[22:33] <t0ntin> hi, all! I'm trying to connect to a free VPN, but I get an error notification that says that the connection to the VPN failed. I have tried several VPN logins from different sites. Any ideas?
[22:33] <Lockzi> Hey guys, I have a problem... I am running ESXi with the harddrive on a SAN connected through iSCSI. The issue is that my Virtual Machine (Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS) is full. df -h 0 bytes... Also, I have extended this machine so many times that I have /dev/sda1 2 3 4 5 6. The question is if I can somehow merge all the physical volumes when I am using LVM?
[22:33] <dingo> hey guys, i have my computer hooked to my large tv. the problem is the command line text is very small, due to the high resolution. How can i make the text bigger and easier to read from a distance? also, i have no gui, this is ubuntu 12.04 server.
[22:33] <silvereye> maheanuu : if this happened on an update, then probably the latest cm106 is broken
[22:34] <silvereye> latest cm106 driver
[22:35] <maheanuu> silvereye, as I said, the system was fine until I came back from an upgrade and tried to call my nephew in France on Skype when I had just finished talking to him before the upgrade
[22:35] <nova_> hi is the any known issues with ruining Apache2 server on Ubuntu desktop ?
[22:36] <topper4125> can anyone tell me if this machine would be good for 12.04 LTS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883256198
[22:36] <silvereye> maheanuu : sometimes newer driver version adds extra bugs which were not there before, the driver becomes broken even if it was previously working
[22:36] <nova_> hi is the any known issues with ruining Apache2 server on Ubuntu desktop ?
[22:36] <litropy> topper4125, yes.
[22:36] <fox_wilson> nova_: As in will the server immediately crash? No.
[22:37] <syntroPi> nova_, if noone here knows one it still wouldnt mean there arent any
[22:37] <fidel> !repeat | nova_
[22:37] <Ben64> topper4125: you should build your own and save a couple hundred dollars
[22:37] <nova_> OK sorry every-one ^-^
[22:37] <fidel> nova_: its always a good advice to have the latest version of an app - i guess using a non-updated live-cd might be a disadvantage at this point
[22:37] <silvereye> maheanuu : you may need to somehow revert to the previous driver
[22:38] <fidel> and as always - there is no bug-free software ...so issues might arise over time
[22:38] <nova_> fidel , so i need the latest version and if i get PHP i need ver.5
[22:39] <Ben64> !lamp | nova
[22:39] <fidel> nova_: with latest i mean - keep it updated over time - not staying with an old release
[22:40] <dingo> hey guys, i have my computer hooked to my large tv. the problem is the command line text is very small, due to the high resolution. How can i make the text bigger and easier to read from a distance? also, i have no gui, this is ubuntu 12.04 server.
[22:40] <fidel> using a live-cd sounds for a longer time sounds like 'not installing updates' or am i wrong here?
[22:40] <maheanuu> silvereye, I am thinking the same thing, but there doesn't seem to be a way back from this morass I am in at present, or at least I have not been able to find it, you must forgive me, I am pushing 75 (Mar 7) and I still am in the learning phase, I will NEVER quit
[22:41] <silvereye> maheanuu : I don't personally know how to revert to previous driver, perhaps someone else here does
[22:41] <nova_> fidel , oh OK thank you for answering my questions :-)
[22:42] <maheanuu> Used to be a field engineer for Sperry Univac, and love the digital field, I just find that it gets more difficult the older I get as my learning curve is beginning to flatten out
[22:42] <fidel> nova_: to break it down- what is your plan with this lamp-setup? running a lamp server for a long time - sharing content to the internet?
[22:42] <fidel> and why are you considerung using a live-cd for it?
[22:42] <uplinx> howdy, so, i want to set up a virtual resolution for my xsession, i would like it to be 5120x1024 anyone have any advice on how to achieve this?
[22:43] <silvereye> dingo, does the text become smaller part way through the boot process?
[22:43] <maheanuu> silvereye, thanks for your help and I will stick around and see if someone can possibly show me what I need to do to figure this out
[22:45] <int_ua> does oem-config create a user not in a sudo group? My friend just bought a netbook with xubuntu preinstalled and the user was created right in the store without giving her a root password.
[22:45] <dingo> silvereye: havent watched the boot process for some time. but i dont think so no.
[22:45] <dingo> silvereye: im due for  a reboot right now, just by chance
[22:45] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: sorry to bother you again, but it's still telling the same, could it be, that there is something left over from before? ^^
[22:46] <maheanuu> exit
[22:46] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what is the output of 'ls /usr/bin/java'
[22:46] <tgm4883> sorry
[22:46] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what is the output of 'ls -l /usr/bin/java'
[22:46] <Synthead> I just put a ton of fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/google-webfonts.  I ran fc-cache -vf, but none of the fonts are seen by applications.  fc-cache showed ~1300 fonts in that directory.  what am I missing?
[22:47] <woo> bye
[22:47] <syntroPi> dingo maybe VESA-modes would help "vga=" in cmdline for kernel from grub, but probably there is easier way
[22:47] <syntroPi> like fontsize or sth like that
[22:47] <syntroPi> dingo, http://askubuntu.com/questions/173220/how-do-i-change-the-font-or-the-font-size-in-the-tty-console
[22:47] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
[22:48] <dingo> syntroPi: thanks,  i never put the tty part in my google searches, maybe that was my problem, i will look into this link.
[22:48] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, and you went though that guide?
[22:49] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883 yes: but twice already (64-bit then 32-bit) and sudo update-alternatives --config java won't get me what it should
[22:54] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what is the output of 'ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java'
[22:54] <escott_> uplinx, xrandr should be able to set that up for you
[22:54] <t0ntin> It's my first time connecting to a VPN. I get an error message saying "the VPN connection failed." Does anyone have any ideas?
[22:54] <maheanuu> I am trying to get to the Ubuntu chat site, but I don't believe that this is it?  can someone direct me?
[22:54] <silvereye> this is it
[22:54] <daftykins> maheanuu: for support this is it. what are you looking for?
[22:54] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: any ideas?
[22:54] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what is the output of 'ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java'
[22:55] <maheanuu> I have a sound problem, I did an upgrade and lost my mic last night and nothing I have done can bring it back
[22:55] <wbf> I need help. Make is not working
[22:55] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java
[22:55] <wbf> I'm getting the modpost not found error
[22:56] <abyss42> I am running django on my ubuntu VM, when i run my dev server, i want to access it from another computer, in the same network, how do i do it?
[22:56] <topper4125> maheanuu, if you're looking for support this is it, if you're looking for off topic talk #ubuntu-offtopic, and if you're looking for developers, try #ubuntu-discuss
[22:56] <daftykins> wbf: you'd be better off with a programming language channel than here for answering that.
[22:56] <daftykins> topper4125: bit late.
[22:56] <kaendfinger> Anyone here willing to help out with a major app project for Ubuntu?
[22:56] <syntroPi> maheanuu, did you search in dmesg for it?
[22:56] <topper4125> oops
[22:56] <wbf> daftykins: which channel?
[22:57] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, what about when you run 'sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/java" "java" "/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java" 1'
[22:57] <tgm4883> err
[22:57] <tgm4883> sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/java" "java" "/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java" 1
[22:57] <silvereye> syntroPi : it was a dm106 usb sound device builtin to their laptop
[22:57] <maheanuu> syntroPi:  not sure about dmesg will go to terminal and see what that has to offer
[22:57] <dingo> my screen size stayed the same all through the boot. the link provided didnt change anything. I keep searching for 'resolution' and 'text size' but the result arent very good. ideas on other keywords?
[22:57] <silvereye> syntroPi : it was a cm106 usb sound device builtin to their laptop
[22:57] <daftykins> wbf: i have no idea on channels for languages, but i don't know what language the program you're compiling is in either - C at a guess
[22:57] <syntroPi> yes
[22:57] <unhuman> hey, how can i found out how php sends email from my ubuntu server?
[22:57] <paws-> in my /etc/rc.local i have su -c root startx but its not logging me in automatically... why is that?
[22:58] <wbf> daftykins: it's the linux KERNEL.
[22:58] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: no message or error after that
[22:58] <kaendfinger> What's a Application/Package related channel?
[22:58] <syntroPi> maheanuu, silvereye but maybe "dmesg" complaints about something related to that cm106 usb sound card
[22:58] <daftykins> wbf: try a kernel channel then
[22:58] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, you said something was wrong when you did 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' right? what was wrong?
[22:59] <daftykins> wbf: actually this may be of use:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[22:59] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: it says: THere is only one alternative in link group java (providing /usr/bin/java) : /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java; Nothing to configure.
[22:59] <maheanuu> syntroPi:I have the dmesg readout and it is a nightmare, now all I have to do is figure it out....
[23:00] <syntroPi> maheanuu, can you paste the output from your dmesg in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and give the link here?
[23:00] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, out of curiosity, what happens if you do '/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java -version'
[23:01] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: cannot execute binary file ^^
[23:01] <sotomoss> hi guy
[23:01] <lunatic^> what can i install to test my 3d?
[23:02] <daftykins> lunatic^: glxgears
[23:02] <escott_> lunatic^, what do you want to test?
[23:02] <lunatic^> just see my drivers working, fps, etc
[23:02] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: could there be still somthing 64-bit left? ^^
[23:02] <syntroPi> glxinfo | grep direct
[23:02] <escott_> lunatic^, performance or existence
[23:02] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, how about 'file /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java'
[23:03] <lunatic^> existence i suppose
[23:03] <lunatic^> isn't there a open source game on the repo :)
[23:03] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: EFL 64-bit LSB executable D:
[23:04] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, so at least we know it's the wrong one :)
[23:04] <syntroPi> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/games/
[23:04] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: how do I get rid of it now? ^^
[23:04] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what about 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/java'
[23:04] <escott_> lunatic^, there are various games, but depending upon your cpu you could run some with software rendering and not be entirely sure what you are running
[23:05] <lunatic^> it's a gaming pc
[23:05] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java
[23:05] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, perfect
[23:05] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, so should be easy enough to get rid of
[23:05] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, Did you do all the unzipping from your Download dir?
[23:06] <UNGNightmare> home dir
[23:06] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: home dir
[23:06] <syntroPi> id go with those webpud8 repo since it will update it aswell (horrible sec on java)
[23:06] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, do you still have java stuff in your home dir?
[23:06] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: yes
[23:07] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, any java directories or just files?
[23:07] <maheanuu> syntroPi: here is part of it do you need it all?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1622526/
[23:08] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: lol nah that files are gone, should I unzip again?
[23:08] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, not yet
[23:08] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: there is just the .tar.gz left
[23:08] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, just one?
[23:08] <syntroPi> maheanuu, yes the whole output of dmesg: "dmesg > /tmp/dmesg" "gedit /tmp/dmesg" copy&paste and provide link
[23:08] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, what is the filename of that one?
[23:08] <wbf> can someone give me a precompiled modpost?
[23:08] <wbf> because the LFS people say "If it's ubuntu we don't support it."
[23:09] <maheanuu> syntroPi: Here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1622532/
[23:09] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: jdk-7u13-linux-i586.tar.gz
[23:09] <syntroPi> thats not all
[23:09] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, unzip that one, but don't move the directory yet
[23:09] <syntroPi> maheanuu, starts with [0000]
[23:10] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, first do 'sudo rm -rf /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0'
[23:10] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, that will delete the 64-bit version of java you have installed
[23:11] <Cool1> hello
[23:11] <Cool1> can someone give me some assisitance? I am setting up my first IRC server but having problems connecting my client to my server
[23:11] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: all done :)
[23:12] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, ok, so now go though that guide starting with the 'sudo mv' command
[23:12] <datsmoida> does running a lot of SSH sessions use a lot of CPU/ram ?
[23:12] <daftykins> Cool1: your best bet is to ask for support in a channel for the IRC server you're using, just because it's Ubuntu doesn't exactly relate...
[23:12] <Cool1> okay thanks!
[23:12] <daftykins> datsmoida: use 'top' to find out
[23:13] <jilebedev> Hello. How can I uniquely identify a physical hard drive that is a part of a RAID1 array in ubuntu? blkid gives the same 'universaliy unique' identifier for the two mirrored partitons.
[23:13] <datsmoida> i am using top and my CPU is at like 98"%
[23:13] <datsmoida> even though i just tripled my ram
[23:13] <datsmoida> but i do have like 20 SSH sessions going
[23:13] <syntroPi> maheanuu,  "dmesg > /tmp/dmesg" "gedit /tmp/dmesg" copy&paste and provide link
[23:13] <jrib> datsmoida: what process does top show using the cpu?
[23:14] <datsmoida> top - 15:14:04 up  2:39, 22 users,  load average: 0
[23:14] <datsmoida> Tasks: 104 total,   1 running, 103 sleeping,   0 st
[23:14] <datsmoida> Cpu(s):  0.3%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 99.5%id,  0.0%wa
[23:14] <datsmoida> Mem:    759304k total,   389168k used,   370136k fr
[23:14] <datsmoida> Swap:  1048572k total,        0k used,  1048572k fr
[23:14] <datsmoida> 99.5% ?
[23:14] <jrib> datsmoida: that's idle
[23:14] <STMelon> thats idle
[23:14] <wbf> please use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:15] <datsmoida> lol oh
[23:15] <datsmoida> wbf - ok np
[23:15] <DrGrov> STMelon: Okay, got it done. Now how to remove this Java? :)
[23:15] <datsmoida> jrib - thx
[23:15] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883: sudo update-alternatives --config still says the same as before but java -version is working so I think everything is fine?
[23:15] <Acibi> Does anyone know if there is major difference between the LibreOffice we can find on the ubuntu repo and the .deb that we can download on libreOffice.org?
[23:15] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, yep sounds good :)
[23:16] <STMelon> DrGrov: sudo update-sun-jre -v remove
[23:16] <DrGrov> STMelon: PM'ed you.
[23:16] <UNGNightmare> tgm4883 you are todays hero! thank you!
[23:17] <tgm4883> UNGNightmare, yw
[23:20] <guideX> is it possible to run call of duty black ops + steam under 12.10?
[23:20] <guideX> and if so, how does it play?
[23:20] <maheanuu> syntroPi: I hope this is what you want http://paste.ubuntu.com/1622550/
[23:20] <tgm4883> guideX, no, it might be possible under Wine
[23:20] <paws-> in my /etc/rc.local i have su -c root startx but its not logging me in automatically... why is that?
[23:20] <tgm4883> guideX, but I'm assuming you are asking about the steam linux client
[23:20] <ShapeShifter499> sometimes my ssh service seems slow even though I'm ssh-ing over local network, why?
[23:21] <jrib> paws-: that's an awful idea
[23:21] <tgm4883> ShapeShifter499, high server load?
[23:21] <paws-> jrib: i need it..
[23:21] <jrib> paws-: why?
[23:21] <ShapeShifter499> its my own personal server
[23:21] <ShapeShifter499> noting barely runs on it
[23:22] <jrib> ShapeShifter499: you mean you type and it's slow to show up?
[23:22] <ShapeShifter499> yes
[23:22] <jrib> ShapeShifter499: can be an issue on the client if you're downloading/uploading a lot
[23:22] <paws-> jrib: couze its a server and i am tired of always logging in and typing password... and im the only one that has physical access to to it
[23:22] <ShapeShifter499> jrib, yes
[23:23] <tgm4883> paws-, a ubuntu server?
[23:23] <jrib> ShapeShifter499: you could check out mosh maybe
[23:23] <paws-> yes tgm4883
[23:23] <tgm4883> paws-, with a gui installed?
[23:23] <paws-> yes :)
[23:23] <jrib> paws-: what are you doing that requires so much password entry?
[23:23] <tgm4883> paws-, and I'm assuming you don't want the gui running all the time
[23:24] <ShapeShifter499> jrib, mosh?
[23:24] <paws-> my question is why isnt the rc.local responding to that...
[23:24] <jrib> ShapeShifter499: http://mosh.mit.edu/
[23:24] <jrib> paws-: because your syntax is wrong.  And you are doing something not recommended at all.
[23:24] <histo> paws-: How are you trying to login automatically?
[23:24] <paws-> i understand its not the smartest thing but quiet frankly security is not my issue
[23:25] <paws-> histo: when i boot the computer its in the terminal
[23:25] <jrib> paws-: I don't see why you can login as a regular user.  If you need to do a series of tasks with sudo, just use "sudo -i" and you'll have a root shell
[23:25] <jrib> s/can/can't
[23:25] <histo> paws-: Why don't you autologni your user and then startx .  I can explain how i'm doing it on my box hooked to my tv
[23:26] <ShapeShifter499> jrib, thanks I'll try that
[23:27] <mattwj2002> what is ltsp?
[23:27] <histo> paws-: In my /etc/inittab Change you rfirst tty to  1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f paws tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
[23:27] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, linux terminal server project
[23:27] <mattwj2002> huh?
[23:27] <mattwj2002> is that the server version?
[23:27] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, no. Why do you want to know
[23:28] <mattwj2002> I was looking at some documentation and it mentioned it
[23:28] <histo> paws-: then in your ~/.bash_profile You need to add a script that if x isn't running it will startx
[23:28] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, the server version is..... "ubuntu server"
[23:28] <mattwj2002> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[23:29] <histo> paws-: Something like if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ] && [ $(tty) == /dev/tty1 ]; then startx fi
[23:29] <histo> Would work
[23:29] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, yes, I know what LTSP is
[23:29] <mattwj2002> so would you mind sharing?
[23:29] <uplinx> anyone know of a virtual resolution tututorial?
[23:30] <dreamer000> How can I install libxml-sax-perl in precise? It conflicts with installed perl.
[23:30] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, do you know what a terminal server is?
[23:30] <mattwj2002> yes
[23:30] <compdoc> virtual resolution? as in?
[23:30] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, then LTSP is the project for a Linux Terminal Server
[23:30] <mattwj2002> ok
[23:30] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, http://www.ltsp.org/
[23:31] <histo> paws-: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html
[23:31] <paws-> histo: thanx i am doing what you told me...
[23:31] <mattwj2002> thanks tgm4883
[23:31] <jrib> paws-: I strongly urge you not to.
[23:31] <histo> paws-: yeah no need for su
[23:31] <jrib> paws-: at least not as root.
[23:32] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, sorry, i've been working all day on getting a windows 7 VM updated :/
[23:32] <histo> jrib: Why he wants to auto login a user.
[23:32] <mattwj2002> tgm4883: no worries...I just got done with a hard day's worth of work too
[23:32] <jrib> histo: he's trying to auto-login as root into X
[23:32] <mattwj2002> I am a bit brain dead too
[23:32] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:32] <histo> jrib: Yeah, that's why I told him how to do it as a uer.
[23:32] <histo> s/uer/user/
[23:33] <mattwj2002> I do have a simple question
[23:33] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, shoot
[23:33] <Acibi> Anyone have an idea why an extension would load on the libreoffice from Ubuntu repo and fail when loading on LibreOffice installed from .deb??
[23:33] <mattwj2002> what is recommended for a server 12.04 or 12.10?
[23:33] <ShapeShifter499> jrib, the system I'm ssh-ing into is acting as my wifi router, could bad dhcp settings cause issues?
[23:33] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, Depends on the usage
[23:33] <wbf> I'm getting the modpost not found error (yes asking here now due to LFS saying ubuntu isn't LFS.
[23:33] <mattwj2002> good point
[23:33] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:33] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, generally, I suggest 12.04, as it's supported longer
[23:34] <histo> mattwj2002: I would use LTS which is 12.04
[23:34] <mattwj2002> right
[23:34] <jrib> histo: which is fine.  Though 1) I would just use lightdm and 2) Does the /etc/inittab method work with upstart?
[23:34] <mattwj2002> okay cool
[23:34] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, but there are cases to use 12.10, for instance, if the software you want to run isn't available/doesn't support 12.04
[23:34] <histo> jrib: He doesn't even have display maanger from the sound of it. Since it's a server install.
[23:35] <mattwj2002> I just want to build a simple server
[23:35] <mattwj2002> not even really production
[23:35] <jrib> histo: yet he has startx ;)
[23:35] <jrib> ShapeShifter499: I don't know
[23:35] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, if the hardware supports 12.04, I'd go 12.04
[23:35] <mattwj2002> thanks tgm4883
[23:35] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:35] <tgm4883> mattwj2002, that is what I do for our servers at work
[23:36] <tgm4883> 12.04 VMs
[23:36] <mattwj2002> nice!
[23:36] <histo> jrib: Upstart may be an issue. If so I would edit /etc/init/tty1.conf
[23:36] <otura> for some odd reason Kompozer isn't in 12.10 repositories and no ppa, what's the alternative?
[23:37] <mattwj2002> ubuntu is definitely nice and well documented
[23:38] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:39] <histo> otura: http://alternativeto.net/software/kompozer/
[23:39] <histo> mattwj2002: somethings are
[23:39] <mattwj2002> true
[23:39] <tgm4883> otura, for info on why  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompozer/+bug/1065547
[23:39] <mattwj2002> better than a lot of OSes
[23:39] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:44] <otura> tgm4883: oh wow, I forgot how much developing for any distro sucks. 2 year old software doesn't work. worse than iOS.
[23:44] <tgm4883> otura, not entirely sure what you are getting at (Updating windows has made me tired today)
[23:45] <otura> tgm4883: no sable ABI's anywhere except the POSIX standard itself
[23:45] <otura> s/sable/stable
[23:46] <tgm4883> otura, sorry, I was under the impression that it was removed because nobody wants to maintain it anymore (for the last 2 years)
[23:47] <tgm4883> otura, granted we're talking about Komposer, a WYSIWYG HTML editor, which from my experiencing dealing with web designers, they hate WYSIWYG HTML editors
[23:47] <marjinal1st> hi, i'm looking for a calendar/task software. what do you recommend for it, especially looking good under 12.10 and unity?
[23:49] <Jess11> I am setting up my first IRC server using ubuntu... I am undecided about which IRC to use any suggestions?
[23:49] <otura> tgm4883: oh but ofcourse! because web designers hate it, surely everyone must hate it as well! or should! just as with debian stable, why would anyone want new software. that's insane! /s
[23:49] <marjinal1st> asking again, i'm looking for a calendar/task software. what do you recommend for it, especially looking good under 12.10 and unity?
[23:50] <Physicist> How to install steam on 10.04??
[23:50] <otura> marjinal1st: Evolution combined with GNOME3
[23:50] <marjinal1st> anything else?
[23:50] <nibbler> i dislike evolution a lot and so prefer thunderbird
[23:50] <histo> !best | marjinal1st
[23:51] <tgm4883> otura, that comment asside, the software isn't being maintained anymore, so perhaps you should direct your anger at the developers of Komposer?
[23:51] <Physicist> The only one steam package available is i386, and my system doesn't accepted it!
[23:51] <jxcl> Does anyone know how long it will take before the official ubuntu repositories update to LibreOffice 4.0?
[23:52] <tgm4883> Physicist, works on my 64-bit system
[23:52] <tgm4883> Physicist, I  just did 'dpkg -i steam.deb' then 'apt-get -f install'
[23:52] <histo> jxcl: Repos don't update like that.
[23:52] <marjinal1st> actually i don't wanna install gnome 3 and other typical gnome software. happy with unity and thunderbird. just need an calendar/task software looking good on 12.10 and unity
[23:52] <otura> tgm4883: I'm not angry, I'm just slightly amused.
[23:52] <jxcl> histo: what do you mean?
[23:53] <histo> jxcl: Meaning it probably won't be updated until the next version of ubuntu. The software in the repos is only fixed for security reasons and bug fixes.  Other than that the version stays the same. You could check in backports if you need a newer version
[23:53] <Physicist> tmg4883. Ok.. I will try right now!
[23:53] <histo> !backports | jxcl
[23:53] <tgm4883> otura, well I just skimmed the bug report, it doesn't build on Quantal and nobody wants to maintain it. Sounds like a good reason to not have it in Quantal to me
[23:53] <jxcl> histo: thank you
[23:55] <slnls> Hi, I have a dataloss because of an apparent bug in nautilus. Trying to move files from one to another tab in nautilus, but move them back to the original tab gives an error and after clicking "abort" the files are GONE. for good
[23:55] <histo> slnls: What version of ubuntu?
[23:56] <histo> slnls: And is there a question in there?
[23:56] <slnls> 12.04. Where are my files?
[23:56] <tgm4883> slnls, link to bug report?
[23:56] <histo> slnls: have you tried looking in the directories in terminal?
[23:56] <Physicist> tmg4883. Wrong architecture i386..
[23:57] <tgm4883> Physicist, we're talking the steam linux client right?
[23:57] <Physicist> tmg4883. Wrong architecture i386..  my system is 64 amd too!
[23:57] <histo> Physicist: You should be able to install it.
[23:57] <tgm4883> Physicist, downloaded from http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb  ?
[23:57] <Physicist> tmg4883. yes.
[23:57] <histo> Physicist: Double click it. What error do you get?
[23:57] <tgm4883> Physicist, what version of Ubuntu?
[23:57] <Physicist> 10.04
[23:58] <tgm4883> Physicist, it doesn't support 10.04?
[23:58] <tgm4883> Physicist, it supports 12.04
[23:58] <tgm4883> which is a pretty large difference
[23:58] <slnls> OK, I found the files. but still. this is not supposed to happen. I dont have a bug report yet. How should I?
[23:58] <tgm4883> slnls, do you have steps to reproduce?
[23:58] <histo> !bug | slnls
[23:58] <Physicist> so i have to upgrade my system.. than install steam..
[23:59] <alami> i want to run a package only with typing his name at any time on terminal i have to add symlink?
[23:59] <Physicist> I like 10.04!
[23:59] <histo> Physicist: What error are you getting?
[23:59] <L3top> slnls: if nautilus crashed... didn't the crash handler pop up asking to submit something?
[23:59] <Physicist> isto, wrong architecture!
[23:59] <Physicist> only that.
[23:59] <tgm4883> histo, he's getting an "invalid architecture" error from dpkg since he's trying to install a 32-bit package on a 64-bit os


[01:37] <e64i> Hi, I have a fresh install of ubuntu studio but the fonts are somewhat pretty hard read, how can I change that? I try with other fonts but is still http://imgur.com/DJNVp
[01:51] <acmeinc> I'm curious, it all seems pretty clear to me.  Where is it?
[01:59] <e64i> acmeinc: if you see closely, http://i.imgur.com/CEgrW.png , you will see that the w in " Where is it?" is not black but a combination of black, red and green o.0
[02:00] <e64i> and that happens with many letters and some strange visual effects.
[02:00] <acmeinc> oh yea, weird...did you install restricted drivers?  there are the anti-aliasing settings under the xfce menu as well which you mess with.
[02:04] <e64i> acmeinc: I disabled the anti-aliasing and now it's good, thanks :D
[02:11] <acmeinc> good stuff
[20:58] <sirriffsalot__> Is there any software for ubuntu users that adequately lowers the pitch of the guitar signals coming in?
[21:00] <len-dt> sirriffsalot__, I am not sure what you mean. I know there is an effect that lowers the tone by an octave... with one of its effects. I can't remember if it is guitarix or rakarrack
[21:01] <sirriffsalot__> len-dt: well just lowering the octave won't help... Lately I
[21:01] <sirriffsalot__> Ups
[21:01] <sirriffsalot__> Lately I'm practicing three to four different band's songs which all tune their guitars differently...
[21:01] <sirriffsalot__> Would be real handy to have one of these software functionalities so that I don't wear the strings and guitar out as quick...
[21:02] <len-dt> sirriffsalot__, So you mean by a semitone or so. like auto tune for voice.
[21:02] <len-dt> And you wish it to be real time?
[21:02] <sirriffsalot__> len-dt: anything that adequately tunes a guitar tuned in C to B, D and E
[21:02] <sirriffsalot__> len-dt: would be nice yea
[21:03] <sirriffsalot__> Or more appropriately just lowers the pitch by so and so many standard bars/levels
[21:07] <len-dt> sirriffsalot__, Honestly, I am not sure.  I know there are effects that can play with the pitch in with jackrack, but I have not played with them. It is much easier to transpose on the fly with a bass.
[21:08] <len-dt> I show about 5 pitch shifters that come with ubuntustudio. They show up in jackrack so they would be LV2 effects


[03:19] <brousch> There's a chrome app irc client now
[03:21] <brousch> Chromebook is a complete OS'
[03:24] <rick_h> brousch: heh
[03:36] <Azeban> Hello hello hello. and good evening
[03:44] <brousch> yo
[03:44] <Azeban> how are you brousch ?
[03:45] <brousch> well
[03:57] <Azeban> what are you in michigan?
[04:03] <greg-g> yes.
[04:04] <Azeban> where*
[04:31] <cmaloney> hello
[05:35] <rick_h> party over
[15:52] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:52] <brousch> yessir
[15:53] <rick_h> sucky sucky
[15:53] <brousch> $5
[15:54] <brousch> Chromebooking again today
[15:55] <rick_h> woot woot
[15:59] <brousch> I need another Acer C720 Haswell 4G to really run Crouton though
[16:02] <rick_h> grrr this darn laptop keeps sleeping, killing network, and then taking forever to reconnect
[16:09] <brousch> Upgrade to chromebook
[16:11] <rick_h> hah yea, I do love the pixel but I can't use it for everything I need so too much $$ for too little gain
[16:20] <brousch> I wish I had a pixel
[16:20] <brousch> Price is crazy
[16:22] <rick_h> yea, and they announced EOL times for those things and it's only in 2015
[17:08] <Azeban> Hello hello hello.
[17:08] <Azeban> good afternoon
[17:08] <waf> yo
[17:10] <Azeban> how are you waf
[17:12] <waf> pretty good, camping out in a coffee shop getting some work done. you?
[17:13] <rick_h> waf: cross your fingers for me. Trying to get my ubuntu dual boot setup
[17:16] <waf> good luck! hopefully it "just works" :)
[17:16] <rick_h> lol
[17:23] <Azeban> good luck :)
[17:24] <Azeban> I'm camping at the home office.
[17:26] <brousch> Dual booting with what?
[17:28] <waf> hahaha, yes, rick_h. what might that other OS be?
[17:28] <rick_h> hmmm, well it gave me the option to install along side osx, but no wifi drivers ootb :(
[17:28] <rick_h> brousch: osx on an 11" air
[17:28] <Azeban> where are you guys in michigan?
[17:29] <rick_h> brousch: we're working on making safari a first class Juju gui browser and making juju quickstart work on osx so I needed some osx hardware
[17:29] <rick_h> Azeban: all over. brousch is west side, some of us up and down the I-75 cooridoor north of detroit
[17:30] <waf> ok. now all of us are from southeastern michigan.
[17:30] <rick_h> lol
[17:30] <rick_h> mathomastech: isn't in MI :P
[17:30] <rick_h> or greg-g
[17:30] <waf> d'oh. neither is greg-g.
[17:30] <Azeban> I'm in Saugatuck
[17:31] <Azeban> on lake michigan
[17:31] <rick_h> Azeban: nice, brousch is out GR way somewhere. Couple of guys are that way
[17:31] <rick_h> how's the frozen lake doing out there?
[17:33] <rick_h> woot! in ubuntu on the air with wifi working
[17:33]  * rick_h restarts to make sure osx still works
[17:34] <waf> awesome! how did it set it up? via grub?
[17:34] <Azeban> still very much frozen :)
[17:34] <rick_h> refitn
[17:34] <rick_h> that and usb-creator'd the mac iso
[17:35] <Azeban> im right on the shore
[17:35] <Azeban> the lake is still completely frozen
[17:35] <rick_h> nice Azeban
[17:35] <rick_h> oh I'm sure it will be for a bit
[17:35] <rick_h> this week there's highs like '14' around here
[17:35] <waf> refitn? is that a "refind" typo?
[17:35] <Azeban> as is the kalamazoo river
[17:35] <rick_h> imagine the wind blowing over that lake is cold
[17:35] <rick_h> waf: so there was refit boot loader manager
[17:35] <rick_h> somone took it up and made it refitn
[17:35] <rick_h> (n = next ?)
[17:35] <Azeban> we also have around 3000 lf of the frontage of the kalamazoo river
[17:36] <waf> and you're sure you don't mean refind?
[17:36]  * waf googles
[17:36] <Azeban> its still completely frozen
[17:36] <rick_h> :)
[17:36] <rick_h> waf: oh... umm yea that
[17:36] <rick_h> http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
[17:37] <waf> yeah, ok, cool. that's what i use
[17:37] <waf> i really should toss that guy some money. amazing documentation
[17:38] <rick_h> ooh, you can make the launcher smaller than 32 in trusty now
[17:40] <rick_h> man it's so nice to be back in linux land
[17:44] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ you can? that's 14.04, right?
[17:44] <rick_h> gamerchick02: yea, let me take it down to 16
[17:45] <gamerchick02> sweetness
[17:45] <gamerchick02> 32 is a good size tho
[17:45] <gamerchick02> the size it is after install is MEGA huge
[17:45] <rick_h> always too big still imo
[17:45] <gamerchick02> i'm like geez
[17:45] <gamerchick02> depends on the size of your monitor!
[17:46] <gamerchick02> like if i were to install ubuntu to my macbook(!) i'd want a smaller launcher.
[17:47] <rick_h> sweet, time to copy over my Makefile and start the "make install install-python" process :)
[17:48] <rick_h> man, sitting this thing side by side with my 230 it really is a lot smaller
[17:48] <rick_h> but damn the x230 has such a nicer keyboard
[17:48] <rick_h> real feedback, so much softer on the mac
[17:53] <gamerchick02> nice
[17:54] <gamerchick02> which mac do you have?
[17:54] <gamerchick02> air
[17:54] <gamerchick02> derp
[17:54] <gamerchick02> i should read more
[17:55] <rick_h> this makes me said http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/02/netflix-is-paying-comcast-for-direct-connection-to-network-wsj-reports/
[17:55] <greg-g> rick_h: wait, why'd you get the air if you're install Ubuntu on it?
[17:55] <rick_h> I guess it's how network operations
[17:55] <rick_h> greg-g: dual booting. Need osx to QA mac stuff works
[17:55] <greg-g> gotcha
[17:55] <greg-g> I was worried
[17:55] <rick_h> greg-g: but want to try it out as an ubuntu platform as well. I'm losing faith in lenovo
[17:56] <greg-g> ...
[17:56] <Azeban> im very pleased with my macbook
[17:56] <rick_h> since I have to have an OSX machine I got a refurb air to try out.
[17:56] <Azeban> its a pleasure to use.
[17:56] <rick_h> if I don't like it, well it's just for QA
[17:56] <rick_h> if I do...then Nov is my 3yr laptop refresh with Canonical so...
[17:57] <rick_h> greg-g: I'm a bit bummed with the x240 changes, the lack of a decent carbon. I will look at the xps13 DE but not a dell fan and makes me nervous
[17:57] <Azeban> I have a 2.3ghz qud i7
[17:58] <greg-g> xps is junk
[17:58] <Azeban> and it has 16gb of 16000mhz memory
[17:58] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, I know you had issues with it and there are a couple of co-workers that like it
[17:58] <rick_h> but not sure they know better
[17:58] <greg-g> :)
[17:58] <greg-g> if you like the air you'll like the xps ;)
[17:58] <greg-g> xps: more plasticy version of the air
[17:58] <rick_h> well, already bummed on the keyboard. Trackpad :( but the x240 got rid of the buttons
[17:58] <Azeban> and 2gb gddr5 memory
[17:59] <Azeban> and the geforce gt 750M
[17:59] <rick_h> greg-g: the display seems nice, that's the biggest gripe with my 230
[17:59] <gamerchick02> i love my Air.
[17:59] <gamerchick02> and the display is really nice
[17:59] <rick_h> I'm so mad they only made the HD screen on the 240 for touch
[17:59] <Azeban> yes
[17:59] <Azeban> the retina display is great
[17:59] <greg-g> oh, didn't realize re hd and touch
[17:59] <greg-g> bah
[17:59] <Azeban> i dont know if the air and the pro have the same display
[17:59]  * greg-g is a curmuddgeon
[17:59] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, that and that HD finally came out 5mo after the 240...
[18:00] <gamerchick02> question: has anyone modded an HP11 chromebook for a larger SSD, more RAM, and Ubuntu?
[18:00] <rick_h> so yea, I'll be that annoying guy trying to try out everyone's laptops this year
[18:00] <gamerchick02> lol rick_h_
[18:00] <rick_h> gamerchick02: check with brousch when he's around. He's the chromebook guy in the group
[18:01] <gamerchick02> danke
[18:01] <gamerchick02> i don't even know if i can get the darn thing open
[18:01] <gamerchick02> no screws
[18:02] <rick_h> heh
[18:02] <gamerchick02> because an ubuntu portable box would be nice
[18:02] <gamerchick02> and it was cheap so yeah.
[18:05] <waf> i think mrgoodcat also runs a chromebook
[18:05] <rick_h> oh yea, true
[18:07] <gamerchick02> sweet
[18:07] <gamerchick02> thanks
[18:12] <Azeban> what do you guys think of the AppleCare plan?
[18:14] <gamerchick02> i don't have it on either of my devices
[18:14] <gamerchick02> i have the 11" Air and an ipod touch
[18:14] <gamerchick02> no issues so far and no applecare
[18:15] <gamerchick02> i still need to take my air in for it's hard drive swap because of the recall
[18:53] <cmaloney> afternoon
[18:55] <gamerchick02> afternoon cmaloney
[18:55] <gamerchick02> how's it going?
[18:55] <cmaloney> Going OK. I think I have a cold.
[18:56] <cmaloney> Took some allergy medicine and it seems to be ineffective
[18:57] <gamerchick02> ugh
[18:57] <gamerchick02> i'm actually feeling human again
[18:57] <gamerchick02> i didn't WAKE UP til 9:45 this morning. (i'm a morning person so this is news)
[21:13] <rick_h> hah, google for things and find questions from jrwren
[21:36] <gamerchick02> hah
[22:48] <cmaloney> Call for Talks for Penguicon is coming to a close soon.


[02:06] <Ahmuck_> bug reporting has got a major bug
[02:06] <Ahmuck_> any chance the bugsquad could fix the spamming bug?
[02:47] <Ahmuck_> i've gotten at least 30+ messages today about the same bug, repeat, repeat, repeat, this bug is a duplicate of ...
[02:47] <Ahmuck_> 30+ yesterday
[02:47] <Ahmuck_> 30+ the day before
[03:07] <JanC> Ahmuck_: you can always unsubscribe, but I guess that's not what you want  ;)
[03:27] <Ahmuck_> JanC: unsubscribe from that bug?
[03:28] <Ahmuck_> the bug reporting is subscribing automatically when reporting a bug?
[03:29] <Ahmuck_> a better solution would to not e-mail when it's marked as a duplicate
[03:29] <JanC> you can unsubscribe, but in most cases that's not what we want, because users might be asked for more info, to try a test-package, etc.
[03:30] <JanC> so maybe, file a bug against launchpad
[03:30] <JanC> and developers who are subscribed probably want to get the duplicate mails
[03:30] <Ahmuck_> well, the spamming has caused me to now close any bugs that happen rather than report
[03:31] <JanC> eh, thats' not exactly the right way to deal with it
[03:31] <Ahmuck_> so your getting no bug reports from me at all now, and people are asking all over how to unsubscribe
[03:31] <Ahmuck_> which really defeats the purpose
[03:31] <JanC> like I said, this could be considered as a launchpad bug
[03:32] <JanC> maybe an option whether you want those or not
[03:32] <JanC> which defaults to no
[03:32] <JanC> so develoeprs can enable it
[03:32] <JanC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[03:33] <JanC> and maybe ask in #launchpad
[03:34] <JanC> but certainly file a bug about it
[03:35] <Ahmuck_> eh, i'll just blacklist the bug as spam in my e-mail and let someone else file a bug
[03:39] <JanC> Ahmuck_: *sigh* and thanks for being unhelpful
[03:40] <JanC> could you please at least say what's the "master bug" causing this?
[03:40] <Ahmuck_> Thank you for taking the time to report this crash and helping to make
[03:40] <Ahmuck_> Ubuntu better.  This particular crash has already been reported and is a
[03:40] <Ahmuck_> duplicate of bug #429322, so is being marked as such.
[03:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 429322 in seahorse-plugins "seahorse-agent assert failure: ERROR:iop-profiles.c:606:IOP_generate_profiles: assertion failed: (obj && (obj->profile_list == NULL) && obj->orb)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429322
[03:41] <Ahmuck_> Jan, i just tried to search for that bug on bugs.launchpad, and launchpad spit out an error
[03:48] <nigel_nb> Hi, I have a problem with my system's audio and noticed a bug logged with the same problem.  I have subscribed to the bug, and reported that I too have the bug.  Is there anything more I should do?
[03:49] <JanC> nigel_nb: if you have the *exact* same hardware (down to the subsystem vendor & device ID) then you can maybe set it as confirmed, otherwise you better file a new bug
[03:51] <nigel_nb> JanC: when I do an lspci, I get my audio driver as Intel 82801I
[03:51] <nigel_nb> JanC: same as the bug
[03:51] <JanC> you need to compare lspci -vv
[03:52] <JanC> which basically speaking indicates how the manufacturer integrated that component on the motherboard  ;)
[03:52] <nigel_nb> JanC: oh, thats not given with the bug
[03:52] <JanC> it should be, if it was reported correctly (in the attachments)
[03:52] <nigel_nb> JanC: so I need to log a separate bug?
[03:53] <JanC> what bug is it?
[03:53] <nigel_nb> JanC: oh yeah :P sorry.. will check
[03:53] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems might be useful
[03:54] <nigel_nb> tried all that, no avail.
[03:54] <nigel_nb> there is a difference in the subsystem and vendor ID
[03:54] <nigel_nb> I guess I'll have log a new bug then
[03:54] <JanC> but did you compare those 4 lines with what's in the bug report?
[03:54] <JanC> ah, okay, file a new bug then
[03:55] <nigel_nb> I put the status as "New" ?
[03:56] <JanC> for a new bug, it will be new by default?
[03:56] <nigel_nb> JanC: been using Ubuntu for long, never filed a bug, its my buddy's laptop
[03:57] <nigel_nb> thanks a lot for your help :)
[03:57] <JanC> fiel a bug with: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[03:57] <JanC> run that fro ma terminal, and it will include all the info needed
[03:58] <nigel_nb> JanC: oh, thanks a lot
[03:58] <JanC> (you need a Launchpad account, but you can create one "on the fly")
[03:58] <nigel_nb> ok
[03:59] <JanC> nigel_nb: (almost) always best to use "ubuntu-bug <source-package-name>" to file bugs
[04:00] <nigel_nb> that way includes all the info that you need?
[04:00] <JanC> normally it includes all the info Daniel needs
[04:01] <JanC> if not he'll ask, but it includes a lot, you'll see
[04:01] <JanC> maybe you can mention it looks the same as the other bug
[04:01] <nigel_nb> daniel does the triaging?
[04:01] <JanC> in the bug description
[04:02] <nigel_nb> ok :)
[04:02] <JanC> and upstreaming and fixing  ;)
[04:02] <nigel_nb> wow
[04:02] <nigel_nb> u mean daniel holbach?
[04:02] <JanC> well, as far as he has free time
[04:03] <JanC> no daniel chen
[04:03] <nigel_nb> ah
[04:03] <nigel_nb> the same person who answered the previous bug
[04:04] <JanC> yep, he's the sound hero/volunteer of Ubuntu   ;)
[04:04] <nigel_nb> hehe
[04:30] <nigel_nb> JanC: logged the bug, thanks for guiding me through it
[06:28] <astechgeek> anyone alive in here/
[06:29] <astechgeek> Reading the ubuntuwiki/bugsquad/gettinginvolved page, and had some general questions
[06:32] <jmarsden> astechgeek: Just ask your real question(s), and see who answers :)
[06:33] <astechgeek> what do I need to put in the email to request a mentor?
[06:37] <astechgeek> :-/ I can not hear anyone over the deafening chirp of crickets
[06:52] <astechgeek> mentor email sent now what?
[06:53] <astechgeek> i
[06:54] <jmarsden> astechgeek: Now wait... and be aware there is a long waiting time for mentors, if I remember rightly.  Meanwhile just get involved in whatever area you want to get started in, you don ot have to wait for a mentor.
[06:55] <astechgeek> How... I haven't got a clue where to start
[06:55] <jmarsden> What is that you want to do -- bugsquad type things or packaging stuff?
[06:57] <astechgeek> since Im new it would logical to start small right?
[06:57] <dtchen> how is it reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted ?
[06:58] <jmarsden> Well, you could start by going through examples in the packaging stuff, per the six steps in that GettingStarted page ...
[08:14] <brad_> has anyone else had a bug with setting emblems?
[14:43] <Narc> Hi everyone. Is someone able to explain to me how I can start helping triaging bugs without being a member of the BugSquad yet, to train myself a little... Thanks.
[14:44] <maco> Narc: chck out wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad to learn now
[14:44] <maco> *how
[14:45] <maco> you dont need to be in BugSquad to set status on bugs
[14:45] <maco> and BugSquad cant do Importance, so...
[14:46] <Narc> Oh, okay, that's what I wanted to know. That's the wiki I'm reading. Thanks
[14:47] <geser> what's the correct status for an open bug which got filed for a release which is EOL now (edgy)? Invalid or Won't fix?
[14:49] <maco> geser: check to see if it still exists in currently supported versions
[14:50] <geser> maco: see bug #78407
[14:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 78407 in gnupg2 "Missing translation strings in edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78407
[14:51] <maco> oh... hmm well its fix released in current development version (lucid) right...?
[14:52] <maco> blah i dont like these situations
[14:55] <geser> maco: I assume so, the translation page for gnupg2 in karmic list over 1600 untranslated strings for some languages
[14:57] <maco> wow
[15:48] <_Narc_> Can someone explain to me what am I supposed to do of a bug (badly) filled in a language other than english ?  Thanks.
[15:54] <maco> _Narc_: find someone to translate it
[15:55] <_Narc_> maco: well, I did, it's really not long, in spanish, but what am I supposed to do, answer in English ?
[15:56] <maco> i tend to ask questions in their language if i know it and then in english "I just asked for..."
[15:59] <_Narc_> Good idea. I can't speak spanish though. How can I found a bug triager who speaks spanish and suggest the bug to him ?
[16:00] <maco> andreasmoog speaks spanish and is a bugcontrol person, but he's not online right now...
[16:01] <_Narc_> Okay, I'll sort it out, thanks for your help. I'm afraid of doing something wrong, would be counter-productive.
[16:01] <maco> can always try google translate, but....
[16:02] <_Narc_> Well, they're not that good :)
[16:21] <hacktick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#How%20to%20enable%20apport is outdated - how do I start apport with karmic?
[16:31] <kklimonda> hacktick: by editing /etc/default/apport
[16:37] <hacktick> thanks kklimonda
[17:05] <_Narc_> My last stupid question for today : Does the LaunchPad comment box supports html ? For links, etc...
[17:10] <greg-g> _Narc_: I don't believe so, no. But if you paste a link, it makes it "clickable" so people don't have to copy/paste
[17:10] <_Narc_> Oh, okay
[17:10] <_Narc_> Good
[17:10] <_Narc_> Thanks
[17:10] <greg-g> _Narc_: you can also use short hand for bug numbers, for instance "Bug #1234" is made clickable to launchpad bug #1234
[17:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 1234 in launchpad-foundations "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234
[17:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 1234 in launchpad-foundations "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234
[17:10] <greg-g> no prob
[17:11] <_Narc_> greg-g: That's what I wanted. Pretty good then.
[18:42] <v0xel> Hi all!
[18:42] <v0xel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/463654
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 463654 in software-center "software center wont start with my locale variables set to sr_RS" [Undecided,New]
[18:42] <v0xel> this is affecting lots of serbian users
[18:42] <v0xel> but this is not filled in right place
[18:43] <v0xel> how can i file it against python 2.6?
[18:47] <maco> click the dropdown where it says software-center
[18:47] <maco> theres a little arrow next to the text...
[18:47] <maco> click that and itll show edit mode
[18:47] <maco> theres a textbox that says software-center. change it to say python2.6
[18:54] <v0xel> maco, tnx done it
[18:54] <v0xel> i will update it with some more info
[19:12] <v0xel> anyone here using localized Ubuntu?
[19:24] <jmarsden> v0xel: I've added language packs and played with logging into sessions in French, German, Spanish etc. for test purposes... I've not tried Serbian :)
[19:25] <v0xel> jmarsden, could you go to /usr/lib/python2.6/ and run python locale.py when you're logged in with anything non-english?
[19:25] <v0xel> and paste the output or see if there's an error, please?
[19:26] <v0xel> i'm trying to debug bug #463654
[19:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 463654 in python2.6 "Python  programs wont start with locale variables set to sr_RS and sr_RS@latin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463654
[19:26] <jmarsden> OK... I'm running in English now... back soon :)  BTW you could add a language pack and test this yourself, too...
[19:35] <jmarsden> v0xel: http://pastebin.com/f6ef2f60c
[19:35] <jmarsden> Looks fine to me.
[19:35] <v0xel> jmarsden, what's your $LANG now?
[19:35] <jmarsden> I'm back to English again now.
[19:36] <jmarsden> en_US.UTF-8
[19:36] <v0xel> jmarsden, tnx for trying, i'll try to install some l10n packages and debug further on
[19:36] <jmarsden> OK, no problem.
[20:08] <Narc> Hello everyone. Can someone tell me if it's okay to mark a bug as confirmed if I and the submitter are the only people to experience it or does it need more people commenting ? Thanks... Sorry about the naive questions.
[20:11] <maco> as long as someone other than submitter can reproduce it
[20:16] <Narc> Well, I do.
[20:17] <Narc> You're always the one answering to my questions today, thanks. Sorry if I sound noob.
[20:18] <maco> haha its no problem
[20:18] <hggdh> chance, and the fact that most of us are doing something else ;-)
[20:19] <Narc> Haha, of course
[20:19] <Narc> So, if I'm able to replicate a bug, I can mark it as confirmed right away, right ?
[20:20] <maco> yes
[20:20] <Narc> Ok, thanks
[20:20] <maco> though if you can clarify steps to reproduce, extra awesome
[20:21] <Narc> I got xp points for this ? :P
[20:22] <maco> actually..yes
[20:22] <Narc> Ok, this one is already crystal clear but I will.
[20:22] <maco> its called "Karma" on launchpad
[20:22] <Narc> Haha, I know, was doing a lousy joke
[20:24] <Narc> Karma, yes. Reminds me of Reddit. Not as easy to earn though.
[20:25] <dtchen> it's actually ridiculously easy to earn karma
[20:25] <Narc> Oh really
[20:25] <dtchen> just branch everything in bzr or do translations
[20:26] <maco> hahahaha
[20:26] <Narc> I was actually thinking about doing some translations.
[20:26] <dtchen> please do. translations are one of the best ways to contribute.
[20:26] <Narc> If it's too easy to earn it'll loose it's value :)
[20:29] <maco> i think dtchen  is referring to how people sponoring translation changes would get more karma than those actually translating...and i think it was fixed
[20:30] <maco> my translations karma's only 2...its been 2.5y since my last translation (im too out of practice to translate anymore)
[20:30] <hggdh> actually, translation is not as easy as it seems
[20:30] <maco> (karma decreases over time)
[20:32] <Narc> Well, I'm fluent in English but it's not my native language so I figured I'd translate some parts of Ubuntu. Sounded easy but I'm a bit confused with the process.
[20:33] <maco> i was a bit confused too. i think you can either say "this existing translation fits" or supply your own
[20:33] <maco> if you supply your own, the leader of your language's translation team then has to approve it, i think
[20:33] <hggdh> AFAIR, yes.
[20:33] <maco> so you dont write "monkey butt monky butt monkey butt"
[20:33] <Narc> Haha
[20:34] <Narc> People wouldn't do this
[20:34] <hggdh> you would be surprised
[20:34] <Narc> Well... I hope.
[20:37] <hggdh> also, consistency is important. For example, if there are two ways in a language to translate the word 'byte' (say, by the idiotism 'byte' and by the word 'octet'), you should keep using just one of them
[20:37] <hggdh> either one, but just one, all over the place
[20:38] <Narc> Yes, I read about that on my language's translation team. That and other stuff.
[20:38] <Narc> But they confused me more than they helped.
[20:38] <hggdh> heh
[21:00] <Narc> Ok, last question then I stop bothering you : What do we do of what I call "casual" reports that looks like " firefox/nautilus/whatever crashed while not doing anything special"...They're not really reproducible, you cannot ask for more info, but I figured maybe there could be useful to a programmer (usually a segfault), so..?
[21:00] <hggdh> Narc: can you give us a bug as an example?
[21:00] <Narc> of course
[21:01] <dtchen> you ask for more info
[21:01] <Narc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/477754 for example
[21:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477754 in firefox-3.5 "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_style_get_valist()" [Undecided,New]
[21:02] <hggdh> this one should wait until apport processing is complete
[21:02] <hggdh> no, wait
[21:02] <Narc> Oh, ok
[21:02] <Narc> Ah
[21:03] <dtchen> huh, this is odd.
[21:03] <hggdh> weird. There is no coredump, but the bug was driven by apport
[21:03] <hggdh> I guess the reporter decided by the summary apport report
[21:03] <hggdh> well, then
[21:03] <Narc> Great. That's me. I always pick something odd as example.
[21:03] <dtchen> for those of you running ext4, what does the following command return?  grep ext4 /proc/mounts
[21:04] <hggdh> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/f181df7c7
[21:05] <hggdh> Narc: I do not deal much with FFox, but I am not sure how this bug can be used
[21:05] <hggdh> since the stacktraces are incomplete
[21:06] <Narc> Well, I just wanted to know the usual procedure with casual reports like these, because I saw plenty of them especially with Nautilus and FF.
[21:07] <hggdh> Narc: for *apport* bug reports, if the stacktrace is complete, then it can be pursued
[21:07] <hggdh> (I mean stackTrace and ThreadStackTrace)
[21:08] <hggdh> Of course, if the reporter has a way of triggering the error every time, this is a very good bit of information
[21:09] <hggdh> otherwise, you can look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses and select one response as a good one
[21:09] <Narc> Yes, of course. I picked this one as an example because it seemed that the user wouldn't be able to replicate it.
[21:10] <Narc> Oh, thanks for the link
[21:10] <hggdh> a response that would fit, I think, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Firefox%20crash%20report%20that%20fails%20retrace
[21:11] <hggdh> so -- following FF bug triaging, you can close INVALID with this message
[21:11] <hggdh> you might want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase for a general overview
[21:11] <hggdh> and -- Narc: thank you for helping
[21:12] <Narc> Oh, it's okay, thank YOU for helping me help
[21:12] <Narc> hggdh: so, if I get this right, it should be marked invalid because of the missing coredump, right ?
[21:13] <hggdh> either because the bug was not opened with a Coredump.gz attachment, or because the stack traces are incomplete, yes
[21:14] <Narc> Ok
[21:14] <Narc> I'll read the links now :)
[21:15] <dtchen> hggdh: thanks
[23:34] <_Narc_> Anybody can tell me under which package I should put a JRE bug report ? Thanks
[23:35] <dtchen> depends on the jre
[23:36] <dtchen> e.g., see 'java -version'
[23:37] <hggdh> you have Sun java, and OpenJDK java, for example. Then there are the different java versions
[23:38] <_Narc_> Well, maybe I'm not clear enough, but I'm not the submitter, I just triage bugs. And I got a JRE bug report and wondered if it goes under opensdk or something else
[23:40] <_Narc_> openjdk * sorry
[23:44] <dtchen> which bug #?
[23:47] <_Narc_> dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/477615
[23:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477615 in openjdk-6 "Java/eclipse error" [Undecided,New]
[23:47] <_Narc_> But I figured it's openjdk-6
[23:47] <hggdh> correct
[23:48] <_Narc_> I'm learning
[23:48] <hggdh> _Narc_: :-)
[23:48] <dtchen> nicely done
[23:48] <hggdh> bonus points if you rephrase the bug title
[23:48] <hggdh> it is OpenJDK that sigsegv-ed
[23:49] <_Narc_> Ya, I wanted to, but the guy is very vague about "founding this log file" so I hesitated.
[23:49] <_Narc_> Ok, thanks
[23:50] <hggdh> although... the reporter *found* this on the user folder, yes. No instructions on how to reproduce
[23:51] <dtchen> that's a pretty nasty one to debug -- no useful info, really
[23:52] <_Narc_> Really ? If you say so I believe you. I'm still a beginner programmer :)
[23:52] <hggdh> yeah, the stacktrace does not show any symbolic entry points, only memory addresses
[23:52] <hggdh> so not really much to be done there.
[23:52] <_Narc_> What about the fact that I marked it as a duplicate with his first submission ? That must happen often, users submitting the exact same report twice... Is there anything to do except marking one of them invalid ?
[23:53] <hggdh> _Narc_: I would close it INVALID, with a comment stating that, unfortunately, there is nothing in the log that would help us pinpoint the error
[23:53] <_Narc_> Okay then
[23:53] <hggdh> oops -- this answer was for the previous issue
[23:53] <_Narc_> Ah, yes Firefox
[23:53] <_Narc_> Sounded familiar
[23:54] <hggdh> _Narc_: when the same bug is submitted twice (yes, it happens) we usually mark the most recent as a dup of the least recent
[23:54] <_Narc_> Carp... I did the opposite because his first report didn't include the "found" log file...
[23:55] <hggdh> now, if the least recent cannot be worked on (like on bug 477615), then we close INVALID as I just wrote
[23:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477615 in openjdk-6 "Java/eclipse error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477615
[23:55] <hggdh> no prob
[23:55] <hggdh> now you know ;-)
[23:55] <hggdh> and there is no real need to readjust in this case
[23:56] <hggdh> anyway. Usually we try to keep the oldest bug open, and mark as dups all others
[23:57] <hggdh> now, there is leeway here. If a more recent bug has a better-description/steps/whatever, we can use this bug, then, as the one to keep open
[23:57] <_Narc_> Yes, logical. I'll do that from now on. But what if, like in this case, the newer one is better than the older ?
[23:57] <_Narc_> Ah
[23:57] <_Narc_> You answered when I typed
[23:57] <_Narc_> Ok :)
[23:57] <hggdh> heh