[00:04] <JShor> (xenial)jshor@localhost:~$ sudo hcitool devDevices:	hci0	E4:42:A6:2C:6A:77(xenial)jshor@localhost:~$ lsusb | grep Blue(xenial)jshor@localhost:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth status * bluetooth is not running(xenial)jshor@localhost:~$ dmesg | grep Bluetooth(xenial)jshor@localhost:~$
[00:04] <JShor> Dammit, can't keep my newlines :P
[00:05] <JShor> Am just full of fail today ... anyway, the Bluetooth app says no adapter found, so I can't turn it on.  But there should be one
[00:05] <JShor> Maybe I'm just missing a driver?  I don't know ...
[00:07] <JShor> rfkill list shows hci0 is unblocked both soft and hard too
[00:12] <tomreyn> !paste | JShor
[00:12] <keres> hi, anyone know how to get a Kodak camera to work with cheese? i need to take pictures for a database
[00:13] <tomreyn> !crosspost | keres
[00:15] <keres> well it shows up in lsusb, is there some special software you must install in linux to use external cameras?
[00:17] <tomreyn> i have limited experience with this, none with video cams. my guess is this could be about libmtp and v4l
[00:18] <keres> so video 4 linux has to be install to do this sort of thing?
[00:18] <JShor> Here we go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WcX9vbvB87/
[00:18] <keres> i have done it maybee 5 or so years ago... but my memory is not so good
[00:18] <tomreyn> at least the library, i assume. but then cheese should already depend on it
[00:20] <JShor> So I paired some devices in chromes then switchd back to Ubuntu mode and now dmesg has some output whereas it was totally blank before
[00:21] <JShor> Maybe the correct answer is to toss the chromebook in the trash and get a real computer
[00:35] <gbellinoz> my CUPS web ui gets stuck in a POST loop of some sort:
[00:35] <gbellinoz> localhost - - [13/Oct/2019:11:34:50 +1100] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 401 91 CUPS-Get-Devices successful-ok
[00:35] <gbellinoz> Anybody seen this before?
[00:37] <gbellinoz> I'm spotting a 401 HTTP response code... hmmm....
[01:42] <johnjbogle> tomreyn: hi, I now have a bootable usb with ubuntu 19.04 on it. I still have to download/update my bios, and apparently a dell driver pack. I'm not sure though what precisely and in what order I'm supposed to do, now that I have created a bootable ubuntu usb..? -thx
[01:44]  * NicQ wonders if this silence is normal...
[01:44] <OerHeks> johnjbogle,  for dell, all i know is https://medium.com/@nrogap/dell-repository-for-install-additional-drivers-on-ubuntu-4cf061640180
[02:35] <johnjbogle> OerHeks: not too sure what I can/should do with that, too high above my paygrade for now...but thanks!
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | johnjbogle
[02:40] <johnjbogle> thx!
[02:56] <eipip1e0> E: Unable to locate package nfs-utils
[02:56] <eipip1e0> E: Unable to locate package nfs-utils-lib
[02:56] <eipip1e0> how to solve this?
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> !info nfs-utils
[02:57] <Bashing-om> e nfs-utils
[02:57] <Sark> Hell guys - I'm having some issues with stty in Ubuntu 16.04 - it's been a while, so I'm not sure if I'm just using it wrong, or something is actually broken. I can't get it to let me set any actual settings. It just ignores everything I tell it (except baud rate).
[02:58] <Sark> Trying to set it to 7 bit mode, which should just be stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 cs7 - but it doesn't change anything. Similarly, can't set stop bits, or parity, or anything else.
[03:08] <gbellinoz> Has anybody gotten printing to work to a CUPS server without having CUPS installed at the client?
[04:08] <amosbird> Hi, what command can I get if current cpu arch is arm64 or amd64?
[04:09] <OerHeks> lscpu
[04:09] <OerHeks> oh, installed arch ?
[04:10] <OerHeks> dpkg --print-architecture
[04:11] <amosbird> OerHeks: nice
[04:11] <amosbird> thanks
[04:18] <amosbird> hmm, is there a command that can get the active ld on current system?
[04:19] <amosbird> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2   or  /lib64/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1
[04:19] <amosbird> I need a script to tell them apart
[05:10] <acetakwas> I'd like to modify PDF documents (combine/merge/remove pages).
[05:10] <acetakwas> What's a good Ubuntu tool for this?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> acetakwas: inkscape seems to be popular for pdf editing
[05:25] <gbellinoz> is inkscape still active? it hasn't moved much in years.
[05:25] <gbellinoz> i always worry about it because there's nothing else OSS like it.
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> !info inkscape
[05:26] <ponyrider> gbellinoz: still active
[05:38] <CarlFK> how do I see the "recommends" of a package?
[05:42] <krytarik> CarlFK: "apt show <package>"
[06:29] <amosbird> hmm, what's wrong with this https://la.wentropy.com/GaGh
[06:55] <Spock_ncc1701> Hi, I have a bluetooth headphones, each time I disconnect them (via power off or from the bluetooth menu), the next connection does not transffer sound to the headphones without one more dissconection and connection
[06:56] <Spock_ncc1701> ubuntu 18.04*
[07:02] <alkisg> Hi, when I log in to Ubuntu for the first time, /usr/lib/gnome-initial-setup/gnome-initial-setup runs. Could someone run it and verify that this window can not be moved around with the mouse? (it's just a welcome dialog with a couple of questions)
[07:03] <ponyrider> Spock_ncc1701: maybe this? : # alias mc="echo -e 'power on\nconnect EC:EA:03:36:7D:8B \nquit' | bluetoothctl"
[07:12] <Spock_ncc1701> ponyrider: is there a way to make it work without adding aliases?
[07:13] <ponyrider> ur meant to put it in ur bashrc Spock_ncc1701
[07:14] <Spock_ncc1701> i know what aliases are. but why do you want to put it there?
[07:15] <ponyrider> its just meant to connect ur headphones easily. idk worked for me
[07:17] <Spock_ncc1701> ponyrider: The problem is that the sound control is not working after I disconnect the headphones and connect them back on
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: yes that ubuntu-desktop welcome screen is moveable
[07:18] <Spock_ncc1701> ponyrider: btw, mc is midnight commander's name
[07:19] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: thank you, meh, I wonder what's wrong in my vm then
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: is that on bionic?
[07:20] <alkisg> Yes, ubuntu 18.04.3 gnome 64bit virtualbox, inside 18.04 mate
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: whats the command to launch it again, i can re-test here if you like
[07:21] <alkisg>  /usr/lib/gnome-initial-setup/gnome-initial-setup --existing-user
[07:24] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: if you still need help with the bios upgrade, i'm around for a while now, but let's do it in private then since this is not ubuntu support
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: what i did notice on some machines, the boot to desktop lags due to the welcome screen
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: after that second boot goes normal again
[07:31] <Spock_ncc1701> 0
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: lemme test on a new user holdon
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: my bad, its NOT moveable
[07:35] <OERIAS> hello
[07:35] <OERIAS> can someone help me
[07:35] <OERIAS> libreoffice is displaying double menus
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: can you screenshot, so volunteers can take a look?
[07:38] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje, https://imgur.com/a/5HOtN3L
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: wich ubuntu version is that?
[07:39] <OERIAS> 19.04
[07:39] <OERIAS> on unity
[07:39] <ponyrider> Spock_ncc1701: mb you would prob have to select your headphones as an output device. they should show up in pavucontrol
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: did you try to close all your apps, and open a writer document alone?
[07:41] <OERIAS> this happens whether or not all applications or a single application is open
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: ok, seems like a bug to me
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: do you have this on gnome too?
[07:42] <OERIAS> No
[07:42] <OERIAS> just on Unity
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: ok, do you know howto file a bug?
[07:43] <OERIAS> Someone has already filed a bug
[07:46] <alkisg> (10:33:47 AM) lotuspsychje: alkisg: my bad, its NOT moveable => thank you! I'll report a bug
[07:48] <The_Seeker> hey guys - cannot for the life of me find where to disable dock icons for mounted internal drives https://i.imgur.com/9ESm0cQ.png
[08:27] <tommy``> hey the next LTS when will be available?
[08:28] <ducasse> in april next year
[08:29] <tommy``> ok
[08:34] <tommy``> anyone knows some app for ubuntu to visual sync subtitles with waveform?
[09:39] <Sidd_Dino> Hello o/
[09:39] <Sidd_Dino> I have a question
[09:40] <Sidd_Dino> I am planning on installing ubuntu with i3wm but i am planning to keep it a minimalistic install
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: let me know bug report url, ill affect it too
[09:40] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: ty, will do
[09:41] <Sidd_Dino> Does anyone know how to do so?? Or know of a guide which might help
[09:42] <alkisg> Sidd_Dino: I haven't done it, but installing from the minimal cd and then installing i3wm over it sounds like a plan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[09:42] <Sidd_Dino> Cool
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> Sidd_Dino: there's also a #i3 channel if you like
[09:43] <Sidd_Dino> Will check it out :)
[09:44] <Sidd_Dino> Installing just  i3wm is one task but dong it entirely  offline is gonna be another task
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i wonder if they made it not-moveable on purpose? like the user has to complete the welcome screen?
[09:44] <Sidd_Dino> Doesnt a community version exist with just i3wm in it ? Like majaro has
[09:45] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: eh, that does sound very silly though. Non closeable *might* be ok'ish, but non-movable... nah
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: agree
[09:47] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: specifically, if one has rotated screen, he can't even press the "next" button, it's outside the screen view, and with the window non-movable, it's impossible
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: yeah i thought already you had a reason it would interfere soemthing else..
[09:48] <alkisg> I have my VMs occupy half of my 1920x1080 screen, so they're 960x1000 pixels, and it's impossible to complete the initial dialog there
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: would also be interesting if someone tested this on unity, wich has also good touch support
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: might be a pain on small netbooks aswell right?
[09:49] <alkisg> Yes, anything <= 1024 width
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> right
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: weird nobody noticed this before :p
[09:50] <alkisg> True! I'm using mate so I hadn't bothered with gnome...
[09:56] <tamj0rd2> Hey, could anyone help me out with scaling for GNOME on ubuntu? I have an nvidia graphics card which doesn't support wayland, so I'm not able to use the 100, 125, 150 etc scaling options from the GUI.
[09:57] <tamj0rd2> I've tried using xrandr, but instead of making things appear bigger, everything is the same size. The windows just end up falling off the screen
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: is your graphics card driver installed correctly?
[09:57] <tamj0rd2> Yep it is. I've done some looking online and nvidia apparently doesn't support wayland (which is what allows you to get the 125% and 150% scaling)
[09:57] <tamj0rd2> lotuspsychje
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: wayland + nvidia is a no go for now
[09:58] <tamj0rd2> Do you know how I might be able to make stuff on my display bigger using xrandr?
[09:58] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: why do you need scaling?
[09:58] <ryuo> is it high dpi?
[09:58] <tamj0rd2> ryuo I have multiple monitors. My laptop one is high dpi so it's hard to read
[09:58] <tamj0rd2> My external monitor is fine though
[09:59] <ryuo> Welcome to another sore point of X11 and Linux. HDPI is still somewhat of a crappy experience.
[09:59] <ryuo> but
[09:59] <ryuo> some environments have measures of handling it.
[09:59] <ryuo> though it's still heavily dependent on what applications you use.
[10:00] <tamj0rd2> lol, luckily this is the last issue I think I'll run into
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: there are some scaling options in dconf-editor if you like too
[10:00] <tamj0rd2> Well I'll mainly be using ubuntu for software dev, but I might use it for other things too ryuo
[10:00] <TJ-> tamj0rd2: what did you try with xrandr?
[10:00] <ryuo> yes, that uses application toolkit scaling.
[10:01] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: honestly, i would search around for HDPI solutions, particularly ubuntu. another flavor may do a better job.
[10:01] <tamj0rd2> TJ- I tried scaling my laptop display using `xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --scale 1.2x1.2` but that doesn't make any content bigger. It just makes windows go off the screen
[10:01] <ryuo> for most stuff. as i said, it depends what software you use.
[10:02] <tamj0rd2> fair enough. maybe I'll just need to get a different distro then
[10:02] <ryuo> ubuntu flavors aren't a different distro.
[10:02] <ryuo> they're usually the ubuntu base with a different set of GUI packages.
[10:02] <tamj0rd2> what do you mean then? stuff like lubuntu and kubuntu, or something else?
[10:02] <ryuo> those are 'flavors', yes.
[10:02] <tamj0rd2> ahh, gotcha
[10:03] <ryuo> they're directly supported by ubuntu so
[10:03] <ryuo> hardly a different distribution.
[10:03] <tamj0rd2> thanks. I'm pretty new to this whole thing :P
[10:03] <ryuo> i would call the third party derivatives a different distribution though
[10:03] <ryuo> LM and friends.
[10:05] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: ubuntu mate is what i would suggest. it's a lot more customizable that I can see. though not sure how good the high dpi is.
[10:06] <tamj0rd2> ryuo (y)  I'll have a look
[10:06] <ryuo> i recall it having various modes for emulating unity and some other common UI layouts.
[10:07] <ryuo> though i know LM's cinnamon has been doing a lot of work for HiDPI, but that's off topic here.
[10:09] <TJ-> tamj0rd2: generally what you want is either/or --fbmm or --dpi *but* recently I've noticed the physical size reported by 'xrandr -q' differs from 'xdpyinfo' screen "dimensions"
[10:10] <tamj0rd2> ah, I'll check that out and see if I can get it working
[10:11] <amrasouli79> Hello,Is any script to find the fastest mirror link during every  installation?
[10:15] <TJ-> tamj0rd2: I meant to add to the above "... *but* the DE doesn't make a real-time change". So likely it'd need to be applied early via a drop-in fragment in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[10:16] <tamj0rd2> ohh, so I'd probably have to write a script for it?
[10:16] <TJ-> amrasouli79: I *think* the installers try to detect the closest mirror
[10:16] <TJ-> tamj0rd2: possibly; it's a while since I had to use that mechanism
[10:17] <TJ-> tamj0rd2: it's just a call to xrandr but has to be done before the DE starts, presumably so the DE calculates the correct DPI scaling for rendering
[10:17] <tamj0rd2> cool, thanks
[10:22] <tomreyn> amrasouli79: i'm not sure whether the installers help you find the 'fastest mirror' (actually it would be good to define this term more first of all), most let you choose a mirror that's within a given country, though.
[10:24] <tomreyn> "fast" could mean "low latency / ping, fast responses", it can mean "high bandwidth / throughput", it can mean "early availability of updates"
[10:29] <ryuo> amrasouli79: there's one that works off latency. these are often also the fastest but no guarantee.
[10:30] <ryuo> oh, it's not part of ubuntu. shame. it's apt-select.
[10:43] <CarlenWhite> Upgraded to Eoan Ermine. Probably wasn't wise in retrospect because I got myself a spicy error. The "Oh god the screen's bleeding" kind.
[10:44] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1
[10:45] <ducasse> CarlenWhite: ^^
[10:45] <CarlenWhite> Wilco.
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:27] <kolaman> Hi All
[11:27] <kolaman> Which antivirus you use for ubuntu desktop (18.04) machine
[11:28] <kolaman> clamav * maldet are there but they are not that much good
[11:28] <Blade> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ uname -a
[11:28] <Blade> Linux ubuntu-ivan 5.4.0-050400rc2-generic #201910062030 SMP Mon Oct 7 00:33:58 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:28] <Blade> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$
[11:28] <Blade> is cool
[11:31] <geirha> !antivirus | kolaman
[13:27] <johnjbogle> tomreyn: hi tom, you were asking me yesterday if I could get temporary internet access to my problem laptop...I was finally able to get wired internet to it.
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> johnjbogle: did you fix your issue now?
[13:46] <johnjbogle> No. I'm not sure what I need to do now.
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> johnjbogle: can you restate at wich point you are stuck please?
[13:47] <tomreyn> johnjbogle: maybe the easiest will be if you sum up the issue again and post your system log: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:48] <BluesKaj> wifi drivers?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> johnjbogle,^
[13:58] <johnjbogle> ok so several issues... I have installed Unity, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu On Wayland... Currently only able to use UOW, the other two display some crazy all-white error page ("Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again.") This happened only a few days ago when I was told to do an update (I think update Unity, but could've been updating from 18.04 to 19.04)...because I was having some
[13:58] <johnjbogle> bizarre wifi/network problem (wasn't able to connect), so was trying to solve that problem by updating something, and updating seemed to cause even more problems. Yesterday tomreyn suggested I do what I can to get my problem-machine connected to internet (which it now is) and to do a bios update. Connected to internet now via cat5 cable, not sure what my next steps are supposed to be.
[13:59] <johnjbogle> https://termbin.com/oscu
[14:01] <johnjbogle> BluesKaj: I'm sure there's probably something wrong with my wifi drivers, since my original issue was not being able to connect to wifi, but really I have no idea.
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> johnjbogle: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C network && sudo lshw -C video && lsb_release -a
[14:02] <BluesKaj> johnjbogle, hope you weren't trying to upgrade directly from 18.04 to 19.04, unless it was a clean install from an iso image
[14:05] <johnjbogle> BluesKaj: no it was not a clean install from an iso image. I was just entering terminal commands that i was being told to enter by a friend / linux semi-guru
[14:05] <johnjbogle> How do I d the pastebin?
[14:05] <johnjbogle> How do I do the pastebin?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> !paste | johnjbogle
[14:07] <BluesKaj> did this "guru" tell you to install 18,10 first, then install 19.04 ?
[14:20] <johnjbogle> He says all he had me do was: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> johnjbogle: can you pastebin the command i asked please?
[14:22] <johnjbogle> Ok was just chatting my buddy to get clarity on what he had me do etc.
[14:22] <johnjbogle> Will attempt the pastebin now....
[14:27] <johnjbogle> Is this what you were asking for? https://pastebin.com/Mwr9C7qQ
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> johnjbogle: you are on ubuntu 19.10 so support in #ubuntu+1 please
[14:28] <johnjbogle> ok
[14:30] <johnjbogle> Btw, not sure if this matters or not...but he said I had 19.04, I upgraded to 19.10 via SUDO DO-RELEASE-UPGRADE -D
[14:32] <BluesKaj> now he tells us
[14:33] <ducasse> johnjbogle: the -d puts you on the development release
[14:55] <KalleBlom> Is there a way to get rid of apparmor?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: whats your endgoal exactly?
[14:57] <KalleBlom> To work around a problem temporarily: during boot apparmor_parser is started, unfortunately it eats up so much RAM, that the system thrashes (I guess without SWAP OOM-Killer would have a party.
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: how much ram do you have on wich ubuntu version?
[15:00] <TJ-> KalleBlom: you could add to kernel command line from GRUB, "systemd.mask=apparmor.service"
[15:00] <KalleBlom> Ubuntu 18.04.3 (LTS) RAM is at 2 GB and the GPU gets 256MB from that (yes, it is a small somewhat oldish system). Currently looking for a replacement module with 8GB, that's the maximum for that system.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: are you sure its apparmor bottlenecking and not just gnome?
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: its usually reccomended to use gnome with 4GB and higher (if not tweaked)
[15:03] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: Kinda, when teh login screen comes up, I' seeing several apparmor_parsers, some of them having residential sizes of way over 1G .... I wonder if there's a leak somewhre in apparmor_parser
[15:04] <TJ-> KalleBlom: more likely some package has installed bad profile(s)
[15:05] <OneM_Industries> So, I have a bit of a weird issue.
[15:05] <OneM_Industries> Everything onscreen is blurry.
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: could you pastebin: systemd-analyze blame
[15:06] <KalleBlom> TJ: Might be, I'm especially seeing problems for gnome-calculator I think and another gnome profile .... so, you are probably right. and thanks for the tip with masking the service, I'll try this for the time beeing, until I can sort this out (not my box actually ...
[15:06] <OneM_Industries> If a section of the screen is updated, then it will temporarily become clear, but the longer it sits without an update, the worse it gets.
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: could you screenshot that, so the volunteers have a look on whats happening please?
[15:08] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: would be tricky .. system is on another floor ... however I looked at systemd-blame and there was nothing popping right into the eye ... the system is slow, things take a couple seconds here and there, but nothing erratic ...
[15:08] <tomreyn> KalleBlom: you can replace the gnome-calculator snap by the debian package (sudo snap remove gnome-calculator && sudo apt update && sudo apt install gnome-calculator)
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: did you see snapd ontop the blame?
[15:09] <KalleBlom> tomreyn: Thanks - I never looked into the snap stuff, just set up the system a couple years back and gave it to my parents ;-).
[15:10] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: let me check ...
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: would be nice to share with the volunteers too
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> the full paste that is
[15:10] <OneM_Industries> lotuspsychje: Working on it, it's rather hard to use this computer right now. ;)
[15:11] <OneM_Industries> Now it's started repeatedly "pulsing" between in and out of focus...
[15:11] <OneM_Industries> https://i.imgur.com/BuzNznJ.png
[15:12] <tomreyn> !tty | OneM_Industries
[15:12] <tomreyn> ^ if it's too slow on the GUI you can switch to a text shell
[15:12] <OneM_Industries> tomreyn: It's not slow, it's just the graphics are messed up.
[15:13] <OneM_Industries> Aside from that, everything appears to be normal.
[15:13] <tomreyn> i see, well this could make it hard to work, too
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: what kind of graphics card are you on?
[15:14] <OneM_Industries> 1060.
[15:14] <tomreyn> 1060 graphics cards?
[15:14] <OneM_Industries> Nah, Nvidia 1060.
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: a GTX 1060
[15:15] <OneM_Industries> Also, this only started after rebooting due to a power loss earlier this morning.
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: wich nvidia driver are you using please?
[15:15] <OneM_Industries> Figuring it out, one sec..
[15:15] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: now we're getting to the point ... prime suspect is GPU or PSU damage
[15:16] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: I'm logged into the system remotely now, will make things easier ...
[15:16] <OneM_Industries> GTX 1060, yes.
[15:16] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: create a new user account and log-in to it; do you see the same problem?
[15:16] <OneM_Industries> One sec.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: ok cool pastebin: systemd-analyze blame && systemd-analyze critical-chain
[15:18] <TJ-> KalleBlom: you might also want to check the user session if that is slow, with "systemd-analyze --user blame"
[15:19] <KalleBlom> critical chain: https://pastebin.com/awVSAvtp
[15:20] <OneM_Industries> Alright, the issue is not present when logged in as a different user, even if said user was created prior to this.
[15:21] <KalleBlom> And here's the blame: https://pastebin.com/X8Xnf03c
[15:21] <OneM_Industries> Also, this flickering/pulsing is extremely nauseating. >.>
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: your sda3 is a spinner HD?
[15:23] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: that suggests there's some user-specific config causing it
[15:23] <OneM_Industries> Great.
[15:23] <OneM_Industries> Any idea where to start?
[15:23] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: exactly, probably a 5400 RPM one
[15:23] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: $HOME/.xsession-errors
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: so what i think is happening, is gnome3 & snapd taking a long time to boot, togheter with your spinner sda3
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: i dont think purging apparmor is going to make your system run smooth with those specs
[15:25] <TJ-> Shouldn't take 23 seconds for the device to become ready
[15:25] <TJ-> KalleBlom: check for disk I/O errors with "journalctl -k -p warning"
[15:26] <OneM_Industries> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/0E6buPHD
[15:26] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: well, once the apparmor_parser processes are gone, things are 'okayish'. while they are running the diskload is at max - that's why I think the system thrashes (swapping constantly)
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: with your system, consider ubuntu-desktop with the minimal option, or lubuntu/xubuntu
[15:27] <KalleBlom> TJ: Only warnings about one USB Port - taht'S expected, when I booted the system earlier the keybpoard wasn't properly plugged :-O.
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: purging apparmor will influence snapd and get you unwanted behaviour perhaps
[15:28] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: I see, well, for now I can at least try what happens .... another thing: would there be an easy way to restrict the number of apparmor_parsers that will be spawned? default seems to be 8xCPU, if I'm not mistaken...
[15:28] <kostkon> KalleBlom, somethin is amiss but can't pinpoint what. as lotuspsychje said already wouldn't purging apparmor kill the system, as it is setup right now with gnome3 snap and all
[15:29] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: no clue there then
[15:29] <OneM_Industries> Yeah, it's pretty normal.
[15:29] <OneM_Industries> BTW, I have a video uploading of what it's doing.
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: i used 18.04 for some time on 2GB ram too, then then i extreme tweaked it to make things run smooth, disable unwanted services, bleachbit the system, cut down startup items, purge unwanted software, install preload etc
[15:30] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: I'm wondering if the compositor is continuously crashing and being restarted
[15:30] <OneM_Industries> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ7cvYspYCI&feature=youtu.be
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: did you find your graphics driver version yet?
[15:30] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: Okay, so, I'll upgrade the RAM and give the system one of my older SSDs, let's see if that helps ....
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: that surely will help
[15:31] <OneM_Industries> Nvidia Driver Version: 384.130
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> uh
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[15:33] <OneM_Industries> 14.04, and yes I know it's old.
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> *facepalm*
[15:34] <OneM_Industries> I've tried upgrading a couple times, and it did not go well.
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: 14.04 is end of life by now, are you paying for ESM?
[15:34] <OneM_Industries> No.
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: then im affraid we cannot support you
[15:35] <OneM_Industries> Ah, ok. NP.
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: install a supported version from the topic
[15:35] <OneM_Industries> Thank you for the help. :)
[15:35] <OneM_Industries> Nah, I'm sticking with this for now.
[15:36] <hans_> why is't /etc/mysql deleted after running "sudo apt remove --purge "*mariadb*"   ?
[15:36] <KalleBlom> Guys, thanks for your help so far, apreciate it ...
[15:38] <tomreyn> hans_: dpkg -S /etc/mysql
[15:38] <hans_> ohm, mysql-common, thanks
[16:00] <bodom> Hi there! I am looking for a way to manually tell update-grub which device to use as root= boot argument, does anybody know one?
[16:04] <tomreyn> edit it on the grub menu or use /boot/grub/custom.cfg or /etc/grub.d/40_custom (the latter if you want it parsed / variables updated automatically)
[16:05] <bodom> sorry, i forgot to say i'm using grub2
[16:07] <tomreyn> since you're asking on this channel, you supposedly use one of the supported ubuntu versions listed on the topic, and a supported architecture, so amd64 (or i386), all of which use grub2
[16:07] <OneM_Industries> lotuspsychje: Figured I'd give you an update. Switching from the Nvidia driver to the X.org one and back again fixed the issue.
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> OneM_Industries: the users choice, to run nouveau on a GTX card on an eol ubuntu version..
[16:08] <hans_> bodom, i usually do it in /etc/default/grub 's GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[16:09] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[16:09] <bodom> tomreyn: then i only have /etc/grub.d/40_custom and a not inside of it says it's there for adding custom menu entries
[16:09] <hans_> bodom, (that will add the root= arguments for every kernel)
[16:10] <tomreyn> bodom: do you want to have all the grub menu options use this custom root= parameter, or just some?
[16:11] <tomreyn> bodom: and do you want to use it regularly or just once or twice for testing?
[16:11] <bodom> hans_: if it add it there, i will end up with a double "root=" argument given in my entries (the automatic one first)
[16:12] <hans_> oh kk
[16:12] <hans_> (guess you've already figured out how then ^^ )
[16:12] <bodom> tomreyn: i want all linux options to use my manually given "root=" for a long time
[16:13] <hans_> uhm, wait, manaully? are you manually editing /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[16:13] <bodom> hans_: i have no menu.lst, afaik, that's grub1
[16:14] <TJ-> bodom: maybe you need to set GRUB_DEVICE_BOOT or one of its friends
[16:14] <hans_> .. does the 18.04 netinst installer use grub 1.x?
[16:16] <bodom> TJ-: sounds interesting, do you know where GRUB_DEVICE_BOOT and its friends are documented?
[16:16] <TJ-> bodom: see "grep -B 2 -A 15 'export GRUB_DEVICE' /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig "
[16:18] <hans_> bodom, on my 18.04 installation i have "grub 2.02-2ubuntu8.13", and it uses /boot/grub/menu.lst - in fact, that file is re-generated every time i run `sudo update-grub`
[16:19] <bodom> TJ-: that stuff seems to be related to finding the /boot device which, in my case, is a different one and it's ok as it is autodetected
[16:19] <bodom> hans_: i have grub.cfg instead, don't know why
[16:20] <hans_> hum, i have both of those
[16:20] <tomreyn> hans_: ls -l /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:20] <tomreyn> should be pretty old
[16:20] <hans_> they look largely similar, but they have different b2sums
[16:21] <TJ-> bodom: that is incorrect; see "grep -A 5 'Typically used for root= parameter' /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig"
[16:21] <tomreyn> menu.lst is grub 1 (AKA 0.99), which is no longer in use for years, grub.cfg is grub2
[16:21] <hans_> they're both from today because i re-installed the system today
[16:21] <hans_> grub.cfg is 1 hour newer tho
[16:22] <hans_> but it was re-installed from the netinst installer, hmm
[16:23] <hans_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4410 Oct 13 06:15 menu.lst  ----- -r--r--r-- 1 root root 6812 Oct 13 07:39 grub.cfg
[16:23] <TJ-> hans_: I seem to recall a menu.lst is generated due to something with cloud-init and/or supporting AWS instances or something like that
[16:23] <hans_> well idk what cloud-init is, but it's not running on AWS
[16:24] <hans_> it's possible that i installed open-vm-tools tho
[16:24] <hans_> w/e, good to know
[16:25] <bodom> TJ-: looks like ti worked, going to reboot and try :D
[16:25] <bodom> brb
[16:27] <amrasouli79> Hello,How I can customise my ubuntu dock?
[16:28] <bodom> TJ-: yes, that's the correct setting, thank you again ;)
[16:28] <TJ-> bodom: :)
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> amrasouli79: customize how
[16:35] <amrasouli79> lotuspsychje: I saw a link in gnome-look website
[16:35] <amrasouli79> lotuspsychje:https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1221421/
[16:36] <amrasouli79> lotuspsychje:but there are  any way that teach  me  how i can  customize it.this mean install this theme.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> !themes | amrasouli79
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> amrasouli79: see also gnome-tweak-tool to easy switch your themes and modify preferences
[16:46] <amrasouli79> lotuspsychje: thank you
[16:46] <amrasouli79> ubottu: thank you
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> amrasouli79: installing dconf-tools (dconf-editor from terminal) can also help you tweak alot of settings
[17:17] <sdk> Q: When I try to install mpv or vlc with `apt` on a netinst installation (with no DE/flavor) (e.g `sudo apt install`), it wants to install the whole Ubuntu Desktop. Is that a known bug?
[17:27] <sdk> Hm, seems like it happens with other packages...
[17:28] <tonyt> sdk that probubly happening because you have no DE installed and the app that you are installing requires some sort of GUI
[17:28] <sdk> `apt` try to install packages that aren't in "recommends". Like they aren't related at all with the package
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> sdk: wich netinstall version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:29] <sdk> tonyt: mpv doesn't need a GUI and shouldn't try to install a package that isn't in recommends.
[17:29] <sdk> lotuspsychje: 19.04
[17:30] <Gusj> TJ-: Hi TJ, it seems that to have ACPI support on a toshiba laptop you have to recompile the kernel with some options on, last time you were going to guide me on how to do this?
[17:30] <sdk> Another example is `vifm` try to install `ruby`. But as you can see it doesn't need it https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/vifm
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> sdk: whats your end goal exactly? are you not going to install a GUI?
[17:34] <sdk> lotuspsychje: I only use  i3 window manager
[17:34] <sdk> My goal is to install a minimal OS like I did on Debian.
[17:35] <sdk> doing `sudo apt install mpv` doesn't install gnome-shell on Debian :p
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> sdk: and did you install x11 and the i3 tools yet?
[17:35] <sdk> yep
[17:35] <sdk> i did.
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: this one is for you ^
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> sdk: see also the #i3 channel to talk to the i3 experts
[17:38] <sdk> lotuspsychje: They don't answer question related to `apt` or Ubuntu.
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> sdk: i think what ducasse is doing, is installing from the server image or alternate lubuntu
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> to avoid the preinstalled desktops
[17:39] <ducasse> i'm looking at this now
[17:39] <kostkon> sdk, tell it to not install the recommended packages
[17:39] <kostkon> sdk, because it does by default afaik
[17:40] <sdk> kostkon: There's still something broken because it should recursively want to install the whole DE
[17:41] <sdk> Settings recommends to false in apt whole mean I'll need to install packges one by one.
[17:41] <sdk> And they will be marked as manually installed.
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> ioria: johnjbogle is now gonna try your blacklist trick in +1
[17:43] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i see
[17:44] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: Regarding apparmor: /sbin/apparmor_parser --write-cache --replace --cache-loc=/var/cache/apparmor -O no-expr-simplify -- /var/lib/snapd/apparmor/profiles/snap-update-ns.gnome-system-monitor <- is started bei apparmor.service (among others)
[17:44] <sdk> ducasse: if you need more info feel free to pm or I can also open a bugreport (don't no where tho) if you prefer.
[17:44] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: top says residential size is in the whereabouts of 1.3G to 1.5 G
[17:45] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: I really wonder how a 'parser' can eat up that much space.
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: apparmor & snapd are linked, you would need to cleanly remove both if you proceed
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> KalleBlom: we have users that dislike snapd, and purge it, but apparmor could give you unwanted behaviour and/or security risks
[17:46] <KalleBlom> lotuspsychje: Aside from that, I mean, it'S not liek this is g++ working on a 100k lines C++ source with polymorphism and inheritance .... :-O.
[17:59] <AlexPortable> Just converted my disk to GPT (as recommended here), but it won't boot, I've been following some tutorials which tell me to install the program `boot-repair`. However this program tells me that my disk should be MBR for it to work. How do I continue?
[18:57] <crono89> Hey guys, I am pretty new to ubuntu server edtition and returned home the other day after a power outage and I no longer have a connection to the internet or my home network. My windows partition works just fine so there was no physical damage during the outage. I have tried several things I found on google like modifying the resolv.conf and changing my network interfaces file but nothing has
[18:57] <crono89> worked so far
[18:57] <crono89> any ideas?
[18:58] <tomreyn> crono89: so you have a server at some place and you are at the same location and are trying to make it reconnect to the internet (and it used to connect fine, but no more), right?
[18:59] <tomreyn> which ubuntu server version is this?
[18:59] <crono89> right a pc at my home
[18:59] <crono89> 18.4
[19:00] <tomreyn> so ubuntu 18.04 LTS. how do you manage the server, do you have a keyboard and monitor attached to it?
[19:01] <crono89> yes, SSH when its running correctly but I am now trying to troubleshoot with monitor and keyboard
[19:01] <tomreyn> does it usually have a fixed LAN ip address, or did it receive an ip address from yuor router?
[19:01] <crono89> receieved one from the router
[19:02] <tomreyn> via ipv4 and dhcp?
[19:02] <crono89> yes
[19:02] <tomreyn> how is the network configured on this server, is it managed through systemd-networkd or network-manager? and do you use netplan?
[19:03] <crono89> I cant recall, probably whatever the defaults are
[19:04] <crono89> never really needed to change any network settings
[19:04] <tomreyn> which color is the network interface LED showing?
[19:04] <crono89> flashing amber
[19:04] <tomreyn> so a link should be up and data transferring
[19:05] <tomreyn> do you know the routers' IP address?
[19:05] <tomreyn> on the LAN, that is, and you dont need to tell me.
[19:05] <tomreyn> just say whether you know it
[19:05] <crono89> yes i do
[19:05] <tomreyn> can you   ping ROUTER_IPv4    ?
[19:06] <crono89> let me see
[19:06] <crono89> is that the literal command or ping ip_IPv4
[19:06] <tomreyn> please replace ROUTER_IPv4 by the routers' IPv4 address
[19:07] <crono89> temporary failure in resolution
[19:07] <tomreyn> then you didn't type its ipv4 address
[19:07] <tomreyn> you typed a name
[19:08] <tomreyn> maybe it's easier if you do tell me the router's ipv4 address
[19:08] <TJ-> crono89: is the gateway/router on <IP_ADDRESS> or similar?
[19:08] <TJ-> :)
[19:08] <tomreyn> thanks TJ- :')
[19:09] <crono89> yes
[19:09] <tomreyn> so    ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:09] <TJ-> crono89: so "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" if that is the gateway address
[19:09] <crono89> i typed ping 192.168.x.x_IPv4
[19:09] <crono89> ohh haha
[19:09] <crono89> ok
[19:09] <TJ-> By jimmidy I think he's got it :D
[19:10] <crono89> network unreachable
[19:11] <TJ-> crono89: OK, now do "ip route show" --- do you see a default route, or any mention of <IP_ADDRESS>/24 ?
[19:13] <crono89> the command runs but does not return anything
[19:13] <TJ-> crono89: right, so I don't think the interface has an address. do "ip link show" and tell us the name of the ethernet interface you want to use
[19:14] <TJ-> so much for %^*$%! predictable ^&)*($" network ^&)%($! names !
[19:14] <TJ-> Someone give us back trusty ole eth0!
[19:14] <crono89> i get lo and enp2s0
[19:15] <crono89> enp2s0 was the one it was previously working on
[19:15] <TJ-> crono89: ok, so it's enp2s0... so do "sudo ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev enp2s0"  ... this should give you a link. Try "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"
[19:16] <crono89> ok will do that now
[19:16] <TJ-> crono89: we're first going to get it back on the network so we can collect info easily, and you can use SSH, then we can figure out why it failed
[19:20] <crono89> that worked
[19:20] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: what was suggested here (at least by me) was to use a GPT partition table the next time you'll create a new partition table on your storage, to prevent issues with non-growable partitions in the extended area of the msdos partition table - an issue you had then.
[19:21] <TJ-> crono89: good, so now let's add Internet connectivity. "sudo ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp2s0" after which "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" should hit the CloudFlare DNS servers
[19:22] <TJ-> crono89: you should also be able to use SSH now to speed up interactions between IRC and that server
[19:23] <tomreyn> you could reach the server at ip address <IP_ADDRESS> currently, though, not its 'normal' one.
[19:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: what do we think? netplan? systemd-networkd?
[19:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: cloud-init ?
[19:24] <tomreyn> cloud-init if it was freshly installed. other than that,m i'm a bit puzzled.
[19:25] <TJ-> Trying to think of the 'easy' way to get systemd-resolved to accept a temporary nameserver
[19:25] <tomreyn> on the other hand my desktop's ethernet also needs an explicit set dev down && set dev up after every reboot for a while now for reasons beyond my understanding
[19:25] <crono89> i did sudo ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp2s0 and the ping of <IP_ADDRESS> and its working
[19:25] <AlexPortable> tomreyn: well i have GPT partition table now, but it wont boot
[19:25] <TJ-> crono89: great!
[19:26] <TJ-> crono89: so now you can SSH to it from your IRC PC ("ssh <IP_ADDRESS>")
[19:26] <TJ-> crono89: and then we can give you some commands to make things even better
[19:26] <crono89> ok im in SSH
[19:26] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: "it" being ubuntu, i suppose? i think you said you also had windows installed onm this system? does that still boot?
[19:26] <TJ-> crono89: start with "sudo systemd-resolve --interface=enp2s0 --set-dns=<IP_ADDRESS>"
[19:27] <crono89> done
[19:27] <TJ-> crono89: at this point the server should be able to resolve hostnames, so try "systemd-resolve iam.tj" and expect to see "iam.tj: <IP_ADDRESS>"
[19:29] <crono89> i see it
[19:30] <TJ-> crono89: Great! now let's collect some info. " pastebinit <( sudo ls -l /etc/netplan /etc/systemd/network; systemctl status systemd-networkd ) "
[19:30] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: how did you migrate from msdos to gpt? do you actuall ystill have partitions on there?
[19:31] <crono89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ffsGmzbJq/
[19:32] <TJ-> crono89: did you copy/paste the entire command? becuase the directory listings aren't there
[19:32] <AlexPortable> tomreyn i removed windows, i copied the partition to an hdd, which then booted
[19:32] <AlexPortable> then formatted the other hdd as gpt, and copied the partition back
[19:33] <crono89> yea, pasted the whole thing
[19:34] <crono89> does ask for my root pw for a second but the pastebin completes by then
[19:36] <TJ-> Hmmm
[19:36] <TJ-> crono89: try it again now you've got a sudo token and do not need to enter the password for a few minutes
[19:37] <TJ-> crono89: we're expecting to find the network config files
[19:38] <crono89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CZQYd5wPqW/
[19:39] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: just reinstall in uefi mode (starting with windows if you still want it, and want it on the same stroage) then copy back /home from your backup
[19:39] <TJ-> crono89: that's better, so let's see that file "pastebinit /etc/netplan/cloud-init.yaml"
[19:40] <crono89> unable to read from  /etc/netplan/cloud-init.yaml
[19:41] <tomreyn> hmm, must be the file system then
[19:42] <crono89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pq7qM52Gtp/
[19:42] <crono89> i added 50-cloud-init
[19:42] <tomreyn> oh i see
[19:43] <tomreyn> that's pretty short.
[19:43] <TJ-> crono89: do you recall how you originally configured the network ?
[19:43] <crono89> during the install?
[19:44] <crono89> I cant recall much about it, probably just chose the DCHP option and didnt touch much after that
[19:44] <TJ-> crono89: systemd-networkd service is active but has no config. The only thing I can imagine is you manually added an IP address and the server ran for a long time and so you never got round to adding the config
[19:44] <TJ-> crono89: I'm thinking you might have triggered, or done, a manual "sudo dhclient enp2s0"
[19:44] <TJ-> crono89: do you want this 'server' to have a static IPv4 address ?
[19:45] <crono89> yea, I would like it to
[19:46] <tomreyn> journalctl --list-boots | head    would list the latest reboots in case you want to check
[19:46] <tomreyn> (not strictly needed)
[19:46] <TJ-> I'm wondering if we can discover when/how it last got an IP from the logs
[19:48] <crono89> unable to read from journalctl
[19:48] <TJ-> apparently not, when it's static!
[19:49] <tomreyn> crono89: is this a verbatim error message? "unable to read from journalctl"?
[19:50] <crono89> yes, "unable to read from :journalctl"
[19:50] <rfm> need to "sudo journalctl..."
[19:50] <crono89> i did
[19:50] <tomreyn> no need for sudo if administrative user
[19:50] <crono89> ok i tried to pastebinit and it messed it up
[19:50] <crono89> i got a list now
[19:50] <tomreyn> but my command was wrong, correctly it should have been     journalctl --list-boots | tail
[19:51] <crono89> both commands return a list of dates
[19:51] <tomreyn> this was just to let you check how often you rebooted this system lately. to maybe help you remember how you last brought it online
[19:52] <rfm> this system is acting like the cloud-init config written at install time (/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/50-curtin-networking.cfg) which lists the ethernet interfaces got messed up in the powerdown...
[19:52] <tomreyn> crono89: other than that this listing is probably not getting us anywhere.
[19:52] <crono89> usually would connect to the network on its own after a reboot but not after the power went down
[19:53] <tomreyn> crono89: when you do   ls -1 /etc/netplan/    are there any other files in there?
[19:54] <crono89> just the 50-cloud-init.yaml
[19:54] <TJ-> crono89: this should be what you need (after removing /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VnS5v9qYWr/
[19:54] <TJ-> tomreyn: can you check that and confirm it looks OK?
[19:55] <crono89> what do you want me to do remove 50-cloud-init.yaml?
[19:56] <TJ-> crono89: yes since it's not doing anything useful.
[19:56] <TJ-> crono89: or do what I do and rename it with ".unused" on the end :)
[19:56] <tomreyn> TJ-: it seems to. you prefer defining a static route over just setting the gateway4 ?
[19:57] <TJ-> tomreyn: hmmm, good point... I was copy/pasting from man-page :)
[19:57] <TJ-> crono89: hang on whilst I modify it for style :)
[19:57] <crono89> lol k
[19:57] <tomreyn> i was comparing to the second box at https://netplan.io/examples#using-dhcp-and-static-addressing
[19:58] <TJ-> crono89: here we go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SKYg9H2r2Y/
[19:58] <rfm> if we're going with a custom netplan, also need to disable cloud-init otherwise cloud-init will overwrite it at the next boot
[19:59] <rfm> as explained in the stock /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cR3srxPx7z/
[20:01] <TJ-> crono89: rfm  better to disable the entire thing! "sudo touch /etc/cloud/cloud-init.disabled"
[20:01] <AlexPortable> tomreyn: well how about all the software i've installed so far?
[20:02] <crono89> permission denised when i try to change the file name
[20:02] <crono89> one second
[20:02] <tomreyn> 😍 cloud-init
[20:02] <crono89> yea
[20:02] <TJ-> crono89: OK, you have to use 'sudo' but apparently cloud-init.disabled doesn't work on Ubuntu, you have to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure cloud-init" and choose the data-source "None" !
[20:04] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: i did not suggest that you should try to convert an existing system and attempt to retain the system configuration. there are ways to do so, but they require preparation.
[20:06] <crono89> ok renamed the cloud-init file to unused and set "none" as my data-source
[20:06] <crono89> now i need to create the new cloud init file you pasted to me?
[20:06] <TJ-> From now on I'm refusing to use that "cloud" euphamism. Henceforth it'll be someoneelsescomputeridontcontrol-init
[20:07] <TJ-> crono89: yes
[20:12] <TJ-> crono89: once the file is in place, do "sudo netplan generate" then do "pastebinit <( grep . /run/systemd/network/* )"
[20:13] <crono89> its saying error writing file
[20:13] <crono89> no such file or directory but i opened the file to edit
[20:14] <TJ-> crono89: are you forgetting to use 'sudo' ?
[20:14] <TJ-> crono89: that is expected since the file doesn't exist until you create it
[20:16] <crono89> i used my terminal app to make a file called 50-cloud-init.yaml then did sudo nano ect/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml
[20:17] <crono89> entered what you gave me and tried to save and I get the error no such file or directory
[20:17] <crono89> probably doing something wrong
[20:17] <TJ-> crono89: made it easier for you: "sudo wget -O /etc/netplan/ethernet.yaml https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/ethernet.yaml"
[20:17] <crono89> or should i name this one ethernet.yaml
[20:18] <crono89> ok did that dommand
[20:18] <crono89> command*
[20:19] <TJ-> crono89: The filename is intended to reflect what/where the file comes from. You can delete that 50-cloud-init.yaml
[20:19] <TJ-> crono89: so "sudo rm /etc/netplan/50-cloud*" then check only ethernet.yaml exists with "ls -l /etc/netplan/"
[20:19]  * IaMnEwHeRe wonders if TJ- knows that the server can detect the pipe and thus is able to serve malicious content to a pipe-operation only
[20:20] <TJ-> crono89: if so, then do "sudo netplan generate" followed by "pastebinit <( grep . /run/systemd/network/* )"
[20:21] <tomreyn> IaMnEwHeRe: do you notice a similarity between then domain name and the person helping?
[20:22] <TJ-> IaMnEwHeRe: what pipe are you referring to? and how would the HTTP server detect that?
[20:23] <IaMnEwHeRe> tomreyn, I do not attribute malicious intent here, TJ- via timing
[20:24] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[20:24] <crono89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xyf7Nc3Chq/
[20:24] <crono89> changed the ethernet.yaml a little to match
[20:24] <IaMnEwHeRe> TJ- a nice writeup https://www.idontplaydarts.com/2016/04/detecting-curl-pipe-bash-server-side/
[20:24] <TJ-> IaMnEwHeRe: I'll be syre to serve malicious content next time :)
[20:25] <IaMnEwHeRe> I knew it :D
[20:25] <TJ-> crono89: so your gateway is <IP_ADDRESS> not <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:25] <crono89> yes before when you asked I thought youw ere just telling me it should be something similar to <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:26]  * IaMnEwHeRe leans back satisfied knowing to have made the world a safer place
[20:26] <TJ-> crono89: OK... so long as we're not about to break it once again
[20:26] <TJ-> IaMnEwHeRe: I can't peddle fast enough for my server to do a timing attack
[20:26] <TJ-> crono89: It all looks good so you should be good to do a reboot test
[20:27] <IaMnEwHeRe> I am pretty sure a resourceful guy like you can find a way
[20:27]  * TJ- harnesses the Hsukies
[20:29] <crono89> worked after reboot
[20:29] <TJ-> crono89: phew!
[20:30] <tomreyn> !bagocookies | TJ-
[20:30] <crono89> thanks for your patience guys haha
[20:31] <tomreyn> i didn't really do anything, but you're welcome ;)
[21:23] <hello_kitty> I'm running this program on a server called pm2, it seems to have a bug in it and it is using almost all my memory (it keeps restarting itself).  I'm looking at them in htop and they have a few different names but all have 'pm2' in it i believe
[21:25] <TJ-> hello_kitty: is this pm2 a system service?
[21:26] <hello_kitty> TJ- there does appear to be a pm2-root.service but it claims to be inactive
[21:27] <TJ-> hello_kitty: try "systemctl list-units | grep pm2" in case there are others, or .socket activation units
[21:27] <hello_kitty> it's an application which i presume creates and starts services -- its one of those like.. turn all your node.js apps into daemons types of things
[21:28]  * IaMnEwHeRe waves goodbye and says until next time
[21:30] <hello_kitty> nothing returned from -- i did kill a few pm2 processes by pid earlier tho. When i type htop there are numerous pages of node /usr/lib/node_modules/pm2/bin/pm2 ressurect (it trying to restart maybe..?) and `PM2 v3.0.3: God Daemon (/root/.pm2)`  i think these are the two things that are stuck... when i look at the pids though it has many many dozens
[21:30] <hello_kitty> of pids each with those commands
[21:33] <hello_kitty> can i like.. grep kill `pm2` and `PM2` and hav eit kill every pid that has one of those two strings in the command?
[21:34] <hello_kitty> im new to kill and grep
[21:34] <hello_kitty> i looked up a command that is `pkill -f pm2` but wanted to come ask here bfore typing it
[21:40] <Guest_8> hello can someone give me some assistance with enigmail?
[21:41] <leftyfb> !details | Guest_8
[21:42] <Guest_8> I have imported an old encrypted home dir. I want to use enigmail to use pgp with my email i have the .gnupg folder but enigmail cant read encrypted mail
[21:43] <Guest_8> i am not sure how to make enigmail see and use my exiting keys
[21:46] <TJ-> Guest_8: is there a directory .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/
[21:46] <Guest_8> yes
[21:47] <Guest_8> it has 4 files with .key names
[21:51] <TJ-> Guest_8: in Enigmail menu (is this in Thunderbird Email?) do Debugging Options > View Log and check if it finds the directory and reads the keys
[21:51] <Guest_8> yes in thunderbird
[21:53] <Guest_8> How do i get to the menu you mean? i dont see any option for debuggiing options
[21:53] <TJ-> Guest_8: find the section that starts "keyRing.jsm: loadKeyList: got seckey lines"
[21:54] <hello_kitty> anyone know why htop would show 100% cpu usage but top would sh ow 33%?
[21:54] <TJ-> Guest_8: Do you not see "Debugging Options" on the Enigmail" menu? After "Help" and before "Setup Wizard"
[21:54] <Guest_8> no.
[21:55] <Guest_8> I see setup wizard, key management, per recipient rules, prefrences , help, about enigmail
[21:58] <TJ-> Guest_8: OK, go to Enigmail > Preferences > Basic > "Display Expert Settings and Menus"
[22:00] <Guest_8> ok i have that menu. I dont see anything for debugging
[22:01] <TJ-> Guest_8: once you've enabled "Display Expert Settings and Menus" go back to the Enigmail menu and you should see the "Debugging Options"
[22:03] <Guest_8> there is nothing in that menu that has changed, it has added some tabs and options but nothing about debugging
[22:04] <TJ-> Guest_8: strange, which version of Engimail is it? Enigmail > About Enigmail
[22:04] <Guest_8>  Running Enigmail version 2.1.2 (20190818-1550)
[22:05] <molt> hey all!
[22:07] <molt> i'm having an interesting issue with a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04 server. When I apt install update && apt install upgrade I am told that I need to sudo apt autoremove A BUNCH of packages. These are obviously packages that are vital to the system. How is this possible and what should I do?
[22:08] <molt> Some of the packages include usb-creator-common, syslinux-legacy, syslinux-common, syslinux
[22:08] <molt> i can take a screenshot if needed
[22:09] <barnex> hello, I'm on 18.04.3 LTS and xdg-open doesn't seem to work at all when I'm trying to open links in chromium-browser or iceweasel. It eats up a lot of cpu and takes forever to exit
[22:11] <barnex> eventually it gets terminated by sigabrt
[22:12] <TJ-> Guest_8: I have "  version 2.0.12 (20190707-1417) " ... but cannot imagine that would cause the debug options to be missing
[22:12] <TJ-> molt: none of those packages sound critical
[22:14] <molt> TJ (full list): fonts-liberation2 fonts-opensymbol gimp-data gir1.2-gudev-1.0
[22:14] <molt>   gir1.2-udisks-2.0 grilo-plugins-0.3-base gstreamer1.0-gtk3 libamd2
[22:14] <molt>   libbabl-0.1-0 libboost-date-time1.65.1 libboost-iostreams1.65.1
[22:14] <molt>   libboost-locale1.65.1 libcamd2 libccolamd2 libcdr-0.1-1 libcholmod3
[22:14] <molt>   libclucene-contribs1v5 libclucene-core1v5 libcmis-0.5-5v5 libcolamd2
[22:14] <molt>   libdazzle-1.0-0 libe-book-0.1-1 libedataserverui-1.2-2 libeot0
[22:15] <molt> so sorry! that was an accident. formatting wasn't right :(
[22:16] <TJ-> molt: from what I see there's nothing vital there. there would only be packages to autoremove if some master package that depends on those has been removed
[22:18] <TJ-> molt: looks suspiciously like libreoffice-core was installed and removed
[22:19] <molt> tj: ok. so just 2 things: 1) I didn't remove anything - including libreoffice. 2) I did this install on my laptop last week and then promptly ran the autoremove and that broke the entire system. This is my second install and I am weary to get into the same situation again...
[22:21] <TJ-> molt: ubuntu-server doesn't install libreoffice or anything GUI related so it doesn't make sense
[23:13] <amrasouli79_> Hello, I have a VPS with Ubuntu server and Gnome GUI. How I can connect to this computer remotly?
[23:24] <Ilgaz> I found how to make HP Pavillion boot to Linux 5.x  :-) strangest thing ever. needs acpi_osi= argument
[23:34] <Mcl0vin> so i am trying to use tshark -w foo.pcap and i am getting permission denied even when i use sudo - what am i doing wrong
[23:34] <kk4ewt> nothing
[23:35] <kk4ewt> you have to be sudo to get the card into listening mode
[23:37] <Mcl0vin> kk4ewt: I even tried it with sudo -s and i get same error permission denied
[23:38] <Ilgaz> bbl


[04:00] <mup> PR operator#485 opened: Draft of get_services API <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/485>
[06:42]  * lewq[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YNWtOLoQMnuIxqnVKKoBQKqe/message.txt >
[09:25] <mup> Issue operator#486 opened: Can't send environment to pebble <Created by mthaddon> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/486>
[13:06] <ruivasconcelos[7> John Meinel:
[13:08] <ruivasconcelos[7>  * John Meinel: could we have some ETA for this, as it is a blocking issue. I understand that you guys have a lot on your plate, but we need to unblock @lewq
[13:08] <ruivasconcelos[7>  * John Meinel: could we have some ETA for this, as it is a blocking issue. I understand that you guys have a lot on your plate, but we need to unblock lewq soon if we want to have an AI story
[13:21] <jam1> @ruivasconcelos[7, I assume you are talking about operator#485  ?
[13:21] <mup> PR #485: Draft of get_services API <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/485>
[13:21] <jam1> or are you talking about operator#486
[13:21] <mup> Issue #486: Can't send environment to pebble <Created by mthaddon> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/486>
[13:21] <jam1> (i probably think the latter)
[13:22] <jam1> but there are lots of things you could be talking about :)
[13:23] <lewq[m]> jam1: can you link to the issues please?
[13:23] <lewq[m]> i never opened an issue, but i reported the problem up there ^^ with some screenshots
[13:24] <jam1> lewq[m], ah, I don't get pings if you use my full name, so I missed them. I don't think my slack is wired up to this channel anymore.
[13:24] <lewq[m]> https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/RNaUlprHlekIXySXxrkziIvi and https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/adqNwMlQNujqncYmjjlHGSNb
[13:25] <lewq[m]> np
[13:25] <jam1> lewq[m], as for bootstrapping an old RC, if you just "snap install juju --channel=2.9/candidate" you should get 2.9-rc6, its only because you are on edge that you have 2.9-rc7
[13:28] <jam1> lewq[m], ruivasconcelos[7 : fwiw, I thought 2.9-rc7 in edge already had a fix for this particular issue (i had asked tlmiller to look into it.)
[13:37] <ruivasconcelos[7> Thank you for the clarity jam1
[13:38] <ruivasconcelos[7> This has been a mess with communication tools
[13:43] <lewq[m]> @jam1: the screenshots I posted above were on 2.9-rc7
[13:43] <jam1> lewq[m], 2.9-rc7 has not been finish published yet, you could only get it from /edge which is constantly being updated
[13:43] <jam1> so *what* version of 2.9-rc7 matters
[13:43] <jam1> since it isn't releasde
[13:43] <jam1> :)
[13:43] <lewq[m]> oh, ok
[13:44] <lewq[m]> i shall test again, then!
[13:44] <jam1>  /edge is built from the tip of the branch
[14:29] <lewq[m]> jam1: it's now broken with ```ERROR "caas-broker-tracker" manifold worker returned unexpected error: cannot create caas broker: unable to determine legacy status for namespace controller: namespaces "controller" is forbidden: User "system:serviceaccount:controller-testfaster:modeloperator" cannot get resource "namespaces" in API group "" in the namespace "controller"
[14:29] <lewq[m]> ```
[14:29] <lewq[m]> ```
[14:29] <lewq[m]> ERROR "caas-broker-tracker" manifold worker returned unexpected error: cannot create caas broker: unable to determine legacy status for namespace controller: namespaces "controller" is forbidden: User "system:serviceaccount:controller-testfaster:modeloperator" cannot get resource "namespaces" in API group "" in the namespace "controller"
[14:29] <lewq[m]> ```
[14:30] <lewq[m]> ```
[14:30] <lewq[m]> kubectl logs modeloperator-5f57bd5b5f-lwmjd -n controller-testfaster
[14:30] <lewq[m]> ```
[14:30] <lewq[m]> latest 2.9-rc7 as of a few minutes ago
[14:30] <jam1> lewq[m], are you bootstrapping and then deploying into the controller model, or are you bootstrapping, then adding a model and deploying into it
[14:31] <lewq[m]> I'm doing this: https://github.com/mlopsworks/charms/blob/main/.testfaster.yml#L68-L78
[14:32] <jam1> so it is just the bootstrap itself that is failing?
[14:33] <lewq[m]> the bootstrap succeeds, but then it gets stuck, nothing starts up, and that's the error in the modeloperator pod
[14:33] <knkski[m]> btw lewq, were you going to move that code over to github.com/canonical/mlflow-operators?
[14:33] <lewq[m]> yeah i will do knkski
[14:35] <lewq[m]> minikube with kube `v1.17.11` if that makes any difference (https://github.com/mlopsworks/charms/blob/main/.testfaster.yml#L101)
[15:01] <jam1> lewq[m], if you can, please confirm that "snap install juju --channel 2.9/stable' does work for you, and then we'll try to address the issues with 2.9-rc7
[15:02] <jam1> also, these might be better in #juju since it is more specifically about juju vs charms
[17:07]  * lewq[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GwnhNrMYxgJmdPqSzidInQDX/message.txt >
[17:54] <lewq[m]> still down. please lmk when the snap store is back up


[03:18] <mup> Issue operator#908 closed: More clearly document which exceptions are raised <docs> <Created by benhoyt> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/908>
[03:18] <mup> PR operator#1044 closed: docs: document more of the exceptions that may be raised <docs> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1044>
[08:55] <mup> Issue operator#1051 opened: .unit-state.db is world-readable <Created by nobuto-m> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/1051>


[06:33] <sergio-br2> anyone know about zsnes exploit?
[06:33] <sergio-br2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SOYneC7mU
[06:34] <sergio-br2> security issue
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[16:32] <sergio-br2> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792420


[13:32] <balloons> good morning cyphermox. Looks like the MP's have hit ubiquity now. Can you have a look at them sometime and review?
[13:33] <cyphermox> it's on my list
[13:35] <balloons> excellent, ty!
[13:36] <cyphermox> nuclearbob: so your MP, it didn't seem to show any changes?
[13:36] <cyphermox> (except moving the sources.list file)
[13:37] <nuclearbob> cyphermox: yes, moving the sources.list file got it to be picked up the hooks when I run the automated testing, it wasn't before under the current trunk
[13:37] <nuclearbob> *picked up by the hooks
[13:38] <nuclearbob> cyphermox: as it was before, I was ending up with a sources.list without universe available, but moving it into sources.list.d allows it to work
[13:39] <cyphermox> ok
[13:43] <balloons> nuclearbob, btw, I assume you are ready for the ubiquity changes yes?  That's my first task this morning after I finish email and automated test mindinf :)
[13:44] <nuclearbob> *minding
[13:45] <cyphermox> you mean running with a bunch of changes together?
[13:45] <cyphermox> has this MP been tested? I'm about to merge it :)
[13:48] <nuclearbob> cyphermox: I've tested that MP, yes. I'm going to test separate MPs to change the autopilot tests this morning :)
[14:55] <balloons> cyphermox, DanChapman has run and tested the whole slew of changes he made as well to confirm is running, but of course he did so locally
[14:55] <cyphermox> sure
[16:35] <DanChapman> Hey balloon, nuclearbob. Sorry I missed you guys last week!
[16:35] <DanChapman> *balloons
[16:36] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I'm testing your branches now
[16:36] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I was running into an issue with the fix-runner branch
[16:37] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: awesome! :-) .... oh right, what issue is that?
[16:38] <balloons> Hey DanChapman. No worries, it was an awesome surprise to see over the weekend that you got them working!
[16:38] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: run-autopilot.sh is missing a ;;
[16:40] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: also could you try and confirm bug 1492710 for the lvm encrypted install test. I see jibel doesn't get this dialog so I'm just running the tests again to be sure.
[16:40] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: ahh must of forgot to commit that
[16:40] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I'll try that next
[17:24] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: I now can't reproduce bug 1492710. But I was reliably getting that swap warning dialog on sunday :-/
[17:26] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I'm still having problems with the fix-runner branch. I'm trying to isolate it
[17:30] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: what flavor iso you testing with?
[17:31] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: regular ubuntu, desktop, amd64, wily
[17:31]  * DanChapman tries
[17:41] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpniel/ubiquity/fix-runner/view/head:/autopilot/ubiquity-autopilot-runner/custom-installation/iso-override/usr/local/bin/run-autopilot.sh#L96 is the issue. It shouldn't be there :-/
[17:42]  * DanChapman fixes that now
[17:44] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: thanks!
[17:48] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: the test is running now, thanks!
[17:49] <DanChapman> \o/ brilliant
[17:52] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I'm still getting an error selecting a treeview. Should any of the merges fix that, or is that the next problem to investigate?
[17:53] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/ubiquity/fix-1479064/+merge/270226 should fix that
[17:54] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I appear to already have those changes in my test branch from merging it earlier
[17:58] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: errr that's odd... let me try it
[18:00] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: cool, I'll be back in a bit
[18:07] <DanChapman> nuclearbob: running lp:~dpniel/ubiquity/fix-1479064 on it's own is working fine for me. So not sure what's up.
[18:08] <DanChapman> ack catch you in a bit
[20:35] <nuclearbob> DanChapman: I was trying all of the branches together since I couldn't get the tests to run in wily without my update branch that just landed