[00:26] <stiv2k> what is the T bit on a permissions mask?
[00:28] <jamesrfla> later all
[00:29] <stiv2k> nv
[00:29] <stiv2k> nvm
[01:00] <med\weed> ok figured it out
[01:00] <med\weed> mrX rom should delete that cm_guardian dll
[01:00] <med\weed> no exe's left.
[01:20] <tbessie> Hey all - anyone know why server install doesn't let me choose where to install grub, but always installs in in the MBR?  Still trying to find out why this happens.
[01:35] <orvonton> Hello all
[01:35] <orvonton> I have just installed ubuntu server edition on my proliant server
[01:36] <orvonton> It did not install a GUI by default.
[01:36] <ScottK> That's by design
[01:36] <orvonton> oh
[01:36] <orvonton> I can install the gui if I want to?
[01:36] <ScottK> Typically in Linux/Unix systems servers don't have a gui.
[01:36] <ScottK> Certainly
[01:37] <epinky> orvonton: Use Desktop instead
[01:37] <ScottK> However any issues you have with it would be off topic for the server IRC channel for help.
[01:37] <orvonton> Ok, so then most of the admin functions are performed from the command line?
[01:38] <epinky> orvonton: yes, they are
[01:38] <orvonton> Well, I mean, most people do not install a gui, is that right?
[01:38] <orvonton> I guess I'm just spoiled with the desktop version
[01:38] <qman__> orvonton, yes
[01:39] <orvonton> it's my first time with a server, so excuse my ignorance
[01:39] <qman__> generally, a GUI is considered unnecessary at best, and a security risk at worst
[01:39] <orvonton> ok, then no gui
[01:39] <orvonton> I will learn more that way anyway
[01:39] <ScottK> In my opinion it's a bit of a learning curve to get started, but well worth it.
[01:39] <ScottK> Yes, exactly.
[01:40] <orvonton> any suggestions as to the path I might take
[01:40] <qman__> orvonton, read the server guide
[01:40] <orvonton> Should I start with an email server or something simpler?
[01:41] <orvonton> I would like to provide some service
[01:41] <orvonton> server guide, ok
[01:41] <orvonton> got it
[01:41] <qman__> orvonton, you need to decide what you want first, then find out how to do it
[01:41] <orvonton> ok
[01:41] <qman__> the server guide is a great starting point once you have your goal in mind
[01:42] <orvonton> that's the problem
[01:42] <orvonton> I dont have a goal yet
[01:42] <orvonton> hmm
[01:42] <orvonton> emai
[01:42] <orvonton> web server
[01:42] <orvonton> something
[01:42] <orvonton> any suggestions?
[01:43] <orvonton> my goal I guess is to learn how to run a server and provide some service on the net
[01:44] <orvonton>   Ok, can you point me to the server guide?
[01:45] <qman__> orvonton, it's in the topic, server guide: http://tinyurl.com/65jzxw
[01:45] <epinky> orvonton: it's better to start with the concepts then practice is required, I mean RFC is a must
[01:45] <qman__> if you're using a different version, just replace the version number in the URL
[01:47] <orvonton> Thanks Qman
[01:47] <orvonton> I will start reading
[01:49] <orvonton> Qman, thanks again, I am looking at the url now. I have my work cut out for me.
[01:51] <orvonton> I was very surprised when I installed ubuntu on my laptop; it found the wireless card and everything is working great; not so with Fedora
[01:52] <orvonton> So as I progress with my server training, is this the correct group to come too for help?
[01:54] <PlainFlavored> i hope so
[01:55] <orvonton> ok, great
[01:55] <orvonton> I guess I have a lot of reading to do.
[01:57] <Doorman352> orvonton: I tried to join samba to my existing Windows domain to practice and it wasn't pretty, recomend to do all your testing away from critcal systems......
[01:58] <ScottK> That's generally a good rule.
[01:58] <orvonton> oh, absolutely
[01:58] <Doorman352> unfortunately not possible for me as I didn't have two whole networks at my disposal.
[01:58] <orvonton> not hooked into anything critical
[01:58] <orvonton> stuck in the man cave
[01:59] <orvonton> its going to be a long winter
[02:00] <Doorman352> I used webmin to manage the server, but I'm told now that is not a good idea. The gui was much easier.....
[02:01] <orvonton>  So far they tell me that the command line is the way to go
[02:01] <orvonton> I think with the comman line you really have to know your stuff
[02:02] <orvonton> That's probably a good thing
[02:02] <orvonton> I'm so used to gui's
[02:02] <orvonton> but I can do the command line
[02:02] <Doorman352> how you learn is up to you, IMHO, however in your final endeavor you should eventually do it according to the best practices.
[02:03] <orvonton> yes, but I'm sure now what the best practises are.
[02:03] <orvonton> I mean not sure
[02:03] <Doorman352> orvonton: I had trouble as a lot of how to docs insist on root access and that wasn't possible with ubuntu and sudo so they didnt work right.
[02:04] <qman__> Doorman352, if you need root access, use sudo -i
[02:04] <Doorman352> read my post again.....
[02:04] <qman__> however, make sure the docs are specific to debian or ubuntu
[02:04] <qman__> sudo -i gives you a root terminal
[02:05] <Doorman352> but it didnt make persistent changes on some steps, hence why I said it didnt work with sudo for me.
[02:05] <qman__> that has nothing to do with sudo, it has to do with incorrect instructions
[02:06] <qman__> sudo -i gives you a root terminal, literally
[02:06] <qman__> there is no "better" root than that
[02:06] <orvonton> logging in as root, is not recommended; correct?
[02:06] <qman__> yes
[02:06] <orvonton> Well, running as root
[02:06] <Doorman352> qman__: You are changing what I said, this is not about what sudo does. It is a statement that several how tos didnt work as they required root access and sudo didnt work.
[02:07] <qman__> Doorman352, I am not putting words in your mouth, I'm saying, sudo -i IS root access
[02:07] <qman__> and the problem is not with sudo, it is with the instructions
[02:08] <Doorman352> qman__: That is what I said. It was a warning to watch out for certain how tos that will require root acces ans they didnt work.
[02:08] <qman__> different distros do things different ways, so not instructions for another distro may not work on ubuntu
[02:08] <orvonton> Well, thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to go and do some reading. I will see you all soon.
[02:09] <Doorman352> That is again what I said. I found a lot of BAD how tos.
[02:13] <ScottK> The Ubuntu Server Guide is pretty carefully reviewed for each release.
[02:14] <ScottK> BTW, if there's stuff you need to do that's not covered there, write it up and we'll get in the next release.
[02:14] <Doorman352> it didnt cover kerberos and windbing for joining a samba to a windows domain.
[02:15] <Doorman352> winbind
[02:15] <Doorman352> hence my journey back to the darkside with windows.....
[02:15] <ScottK> Doorman352: Well if you get it figured out, let us know.
[02:16] <Doorman352> I wish somebody else with better skills would figure it out and let ME know......
[02:16] <Doorman352> I sounded so simple....... my first step to getting rid of Microsoft...... Who new
[02:17] <Doorman352> And the how tos at samba.org were very confusing and didn't match any of my screens or details.......
[02:20] <Doorman352> What I need is a guide like: "Fed up with microsoft and want to replace their servers with your own Ubuntu servers in 3 easy steps"..... with pictures, lots of pictures
[02:21] <qman__> Doorman352, the reason there isn't an easy how to is because that's not an easy process
[02:21] <qman__> it's actually very complicated and buggy as of right now
[02:21] <qman__> but when samba 4 releases, it will get a lot easier
[02:22] <qman__> the whole goal behind samba 4 is an all in one domain controller replacement
[02:22] <Doorman352> OK, I found that out. Nowhere did I find anything rating difficulties Samba was supposed to be simple....
[02:23] <Doorman352> What could be more basic than a file server..... right?
[02:23] <qman__> samba file sharing is not very difficult
[02:23] <qman__> getting it to interact with a domain is
[02:24] <qman__> simple workgroup file sharing is fairly straightforward
[02:24] <Doorman352> Wish I had seen a single warning anywhere before I went down that road..... Now I lurk here and in #Samba waiting for someone whos done it to walk me through.
[02:24] <Doorman352> workgroups wont work in my WAN
[02:25] <qman__> the problem is that windows doesn't use standard implementations for kerberos and ldap, and it's completely undocumented
[02:26] <qman__> but, samba 4 is going to address that
[02:26] <Doorman352> maybe, but there are a lot of docs out there saying do this and it works....only it doesn't
[02:26] <qman__> they even spent some time working with microsoft to get it right
[02:27] <qman__> samba 3's domain compatibility is basically a cross between NT4 PDC and windows 2000 sharing attributes
[02:27] <qman__> as such it doesn't really work well with newer windows installations
[02:27] <Doorman352> I'd love to get rid of my DCs and redo everything following the LINUX user model instead, AD doesnt do anything magic for me....just beyond my learning curve ATM
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> What do I need to do besides adding a Listen directive to access the CUPS web interface from another machine?  (Currently getting "403 Forbidden")
[02:27] <Doorman352> SAMBA'a website said Windows 2003 Domain......
[02:28] <qman__> you can get it to work with 2003, but you need to be in 2000 mixed mode IIRC
[02:28] <qman__> and it's ridiculously complicated, and requires everything to be just so
[02:29] <qman__> I've gotten linux clients to authenticate to AD, but that's it
[02:29] <qman__> never did succeed in a samba DC
[02:30] <Doorman352> yeah, it made a real mess
[02:30] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: cups has an apparmor profile.  That may need to me modified.
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: ah.  Alternatively, can I add my printer from the command line?
[02:30] <ScottK> No idea.
[02:31] <ScottK> Printing has always just worked for me in Kubuntu, never needed to configure anything.
[02:31]  * tonyyarusso notes that the documentation on this subject on h.u.c is a bit lacking
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Yeah, it works great when I have the Gnome GUI - I'm just trying to figure out how to set it up headless.
[02:31] <ScottK> Never needed it myself, sorry.
[02:32] <Doorman352> Im running 2003 native and got to the winbind/kerberos parts when it Demoted my DCs and scrambled the secure channels, modified the UID for the domain accounts and then locked itself out of AD.... took MS 5 hours to recover, backups of system state were useless.
[02:34] <Doorman352> qman__: needless to say I know my limitations and wont try it again without some support from a veteran..... Too bad as I want to show of what Ubuntu could do for my organization if we devoted more energy into using it.
[02:35] <qman__> Doorman352, yeah, it definitely has a long way to go in that regard
[02:35] <qman__> samba 4 isn't too far off though
[02:35] <qman__> and that should really help
[02:36] <Doorman352> too bad, hate the MS model of upgrade and buy more hardware even if you dont need it....
[02:36] <ScottK> We're getting close on AD.  Samba 4 will be a big help.
[02:37] <Doorman352> If I could use the budget I have for MS crud, I'd be running some sweet toys on the network..
[02:37] <Doorman352> When is it expected?
[02:38] <qman__> Doorman352, I don't think there's a set date, it's pre-alpha right now, but it does work
[02:38] <qman__> still a lot of bugs to iron out
[02:39] <qman__> and it's not totally feature complete yet
[02:39] <Doorman352> Would be nice to have, but Im not going to enjoy the experience if it's buggy, gave up on 9.10 after I got it working as too much work for my users, so went back to 9.04
[02:41] <Doorman352> in the mean time what is the current config for using Ubuntu on a windows network?
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Do you know which kind of SSH port forwarding I would use to get around this?'
[02:45] <ScottK> No.  Sorry
[02:45] <ScottK> Doorman352: Unfortunately I don't have a Windows network.  Sorry.
[02:45] <Doorman352> Wish I didn't either.... although then I wouldn't have a job.... ok nevermind
[02:46] <ScottK> Heh
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Whoo, figured it out - ssh -L 1631:localhost:631 <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:04] <tonyyarusso> What packages allow cups to connect to Windows-served printers?
[03:14] <ninnypants> I'm having trouble sending email from my server. the amavis permissions seem to be configured incorrectly. I followed the directions here:https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html when I set it up
[03:15] <ninnypants> and these are the mail.log lines that are associated with it http://pastebin.com/d1973e5a5
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> Found it - smbclient
[03:18] <axisys> i am trying install over the network .. but i do not see any netboot/netboot.tar.gz in the iso.. i see this http://pastebin.com/f4ea267be
[03:19] <axisys> where do I get netboot/netboot.tar.gz from ?
[03:55] <jpiche> I have a system with a broken mysql install, and I need to reinstall the mysql-server package while making sure it re-generates the files in /etc when it does not... any advice?
[03:58] <ScottK> jpiche: If you purge it instead of just remove it, that will happen.  sudo apt-get purge ...
[04:00] <jpiche> ScottK, well, lets say the /etc/mysql was removed after the apt-get remove. how do i tell apt to regenerate a my.cnf?
[04:01] <ScottK> Well if you manually removed it, then the packaging system assumes you don't want it there and won't put it back.
[04:01] <ScottK> Install mysql again, this time purge, and then install fresh.
[04:01] <jpiche> ScottK, okay, that makes sense. thanks
[04:43] <axisys> ever since i upgraded to 9.10 my server stops responding after few mins.. i cannot get to it from console or ssh
[04:45] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/f5a9fd8ec here is my dmesg
[04:52] <ScottK> axisys: What type of CPU?
[04:52] <axisys> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f3e534a50 intel p 4
[04:53] <axisys> ScottK: was working fine for last 6 months w/ 9.04
[04:53] <axisys> and 8.10 as well before that
[04:54] <ScottK> Dunno what to tell you then.
[04:54] <ScottK> Sorry
[04:55] <axisys> do I need to worry abou this? not sure if it was there in previous release or if relevant
[04:55] <axisys> [    0.328055] * The chipset may have PM-Timer Bug. Due to workarounds for a bug,
[04:55] <axisys> [    0.328057] * this clock source is slow. If you are sure your timer does not have
[04:55] <axisys> [    0.328059] * this bug, please use "acpi_pm_good" to disable the workaround
[04:56] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[04:56] <axisys> [    1.001348] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP
[04:56] <axisys> i know it is disabled in BIOS
[04:56] <axisys> i guess i should enable it ?
[04:57] <axisys> ScottK: what do you think might be the cause of loosing console or ssh response..?
[04:57] <ScottK> Do you have local access to the server?
[04:57] <axisys> ScottK: yes i do
[04:58] <ScottK> My guess would be a kernel bug, but I'm not an expert in such things.
[06:22] <Merlin_> anyone here?
[06:28] <Merlin_> ey
[06:31] <axisys>    /quit
[06:41] <AnRkey> i'm having an issue with apt-proxy where I have to restart it quite often if one of the client PC's stops updating in the middle of an update. What is the recommended ubuntu-server apt caching proxy? Or is there a known fix for this issue with apt-proxy?
[06:42] <Merlin_> Anyone know how to add a guest (with a GUI) to a virtual Ubuntu server?
[06:49] <AnRkey> Merlin_, you cant really
[06:50] <AnRkey> i think
[06:59] <Merlin_> AnRkey: :O So you are saying there is no way to virtualise a server with guests that have GUIs? (like servers at school and universitys etc)
[07:26] <qman__> Merlin_, you don't virtualize the server, you virtualize the guests
[07:26] <qman__> I don't know the finer details of how KVM works, but when you need guests with GUIs, what you generally do is connect with a 'virtual console'-type application
[07:27] <qman__> and run the guest GUI from a regular desktop machine, over the network
[07:27] <qman__> this is how vmware server and virtual PC server both work, and I have to guess there is a way to do this with KVM as well
[07:42] <Merlin_> qman__:  I installed Ubuntu server in Virtual Box and (have not port forwarded or anything, dunno how).  So I would install a new Ubntu Desktop Edition (in VB) and connect it to the server?
[07:43] <Merlin_> qman__: After I find out how to port forward and so on
[07:47] <googa> why do servers need static ip?
[07:50] <KurtKraut> googa, they actually don't. But if you intend to run a daemon, like a httpd, having a static IP is important to avoid downtime.
[07:51] <qman__> Merlin_, that's all handled in virtualbox's configuration
[07:51] <qman__> you just create more machines and configure networking appropriately
[07:51] <googa> KurtKraut: downtime?
[07:52] <KurtKraut> googa, yes, leading your server to be unreachable through the internet if your IP address changes.
[07:53] <Merlin_> qman__: so all I really need to do is install an Ubuntu Desktop Edition and connect to the server?
[07:53] <qman__> Merlin_, I don't understand what you mean by "connect"
[07:54] <googa> KurtKraut: Isin´t also for say a dns server, so that it can be found from the same ip always by clients?
[07:55] <KurtKraut> googa, sorry, I couldn't understand clearly your question. Are you asking me if DNS servers need to have a static IP?
[07:55] <qman__> Merlin_, if you want a virtual desktop and a virtual server to be on the same network, you just configure virtualbox for it
[07:55] <googa> KurtKraut: yes, and why
[07:56] <googa> KurtKraut: same reason, downtime?
[07:56] <qman__> googa, DNS servers need a static IP because you need to be able to reach them to get DNS queries
[07:57] <qman__> other server types don't necessarily need a static IP, by using DNS
[07:57] <qman__> but DNS needs to be there for it to work, so it's a catch-22 if you DNS server doesn't have a static IP
[07:57] <KurtKraut> googa, let us make an analogy: think IP addresses like telephone numbers. So, a static telephone number is a phone that never changes. A dynamic phone number may change randomly, almost daily.
[07:57] <googa> qman__: for consistensy in other words?
[07:57] <qman__> googa, no, for it to work
[07:58] <qman__> clients need to know where the DNS server is
[07:58] <KurtKraut> googa, Police Departament has an important telefone number, and it is static: 911. If police had a dynamic telephone number, it would lead police to be unreachable by phone because nobody would now the current police number.
[07:58] <qman__> if it's moving around all the time, things won't work
[07:58] <googa> Ok
[07:58] <Merlin_> qman__: what are servers called that schools and universities use that every computer is on?
[07:58] <KurtKraut> googa, you should read http://searchwindevelopment.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid8_gci520967,00.html
[07:59] <qman__> Merlin_, there really is no such thing, you use different servers for different purposes
[07:59] <qman__> if you're looking for directory services, or single sign-on, check the server guide
[07:59] <qman__> there's quite a few different ways to do that, including ldap and kerberos
[08:01] <qman__> Merlin_, client machines aren't "on" a server, they simply connect to them to use functions provided by the server
[08:01] <qman__> with the exception of thin clients, which actually do run on the server
[08:03] <googa> KurtKraut: What is default gateway in terms of phone numbers :)?
[08:03] <qman__> googa, the switch box at the telephone company
[08:03] <Merlin_> qman__: I have never set up a server.  I want to set up a server, like university, and each computer signs in on to a desktop and the actions are regulated (such as you can't access certain websites, can't access C:/ directly).  I understand it is on Windows, however I want to do it on Linux.
[08:04] <qman__> Merlin_, that's mostly done with client configuration
[08:04] <qman__> with the exception of web filtering, which is done via a proxy server
[08:06] <qman__> Merlin_, to restrict users from changing systemwide settings, simply don't add them to the admin group or sudoers file; ubuntu does not allow regular users to make changes to the system by default
[08:07] <qman__> Merlin_, if you need to restrict them further, you will need to create chroot jails, or some form of mandatory access control, which is a fairly complex configuration and depends entirely on what your users need to do
[08:08] <Merlin_> qman__: Aaah...
[08:08] <qman__> but to affirm, unlike in windows, users are unprivileged by default
[08:09] <qman__> they must be added to the admin group/sudoers file to make administrative changes
[08:10] <googa> if I want a sub network for about 54 clients do I use a Net mask of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:10] <Merlin_> qman__: fair enough.  You said about restricting websites via a proxy server.
[08:10] <qman__> googa, no, that's an invalid mask
[08:11] <googa> So if I want a subnetwork for 254 clients ill use a net mask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:11] <Merlin_> qman__: How does this work?
[08:11] <googa> and for 500 clients <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:11] <qman__> Merlin_, yes, if you want to filter web traffic, you need a proxy server, such as squid
[08:12] <qman__> googa, for 500 clients you could use <IP_ADDRESS>, or <IP_ADDRESS>, or <IP_ADDRESS>, it all depends on what IPs you're using and your preference
[08:13] <googa> qman__: so in a short analogy what does a netmask do?
[08:13] <qman__> Merlin_, in the proxy server configuration, you can create a blacklist, or a whitelist, or create user/password combinations
[08:13] <qman__> googa, a netmask defines the separation between the network portion of the IP address and the host portion
[08:15] <qman__> googa, http://www.ralphb.net/ipsubnet/
[08:18] <Merlin_> qman__: How is this web blacklist work?  Does it go on the meta tags of the websites?
[08:18] <qman__> Merlin_, no, you define in your proxy configuration what sites you don't want people to go to, by URL, wildcards supported
[08:19] <qman__> so, if you didn't want your users to go to myspace, you would add a deny rule for *.myspace.com
[08:19] <qman__> I don't remember the exact syntax but that's the general idea
[08:19] <KurtKraut> googa, you're lacking some essential concepts of networking.  You need to understand them if you intend to maintain a server.
[08:20] <Merlin_> qman__: I remember at school a few years ago that they blocked EVERY proxy server that I tried and I tried at least 50 of them.  So they manually denied all of them?
[08:21] <qman__> Merlin_, what most schools and companies do is hire a third party service, which runs a proxy for them
[08:21] <qman__> that service constantly searches the web for "bad" sites and maintains a large list
[08:21] <googa> ok
[08:21] <qman__> and provides a web proxy for the schools and companies to use
[08:22] <qman__> the school would then configure its network such that all web traffic is directed through the third party proxy
[08:22] <qman__> and so "bad" websites are blocked, including other proxy siets
[08:22] <qman__> sites*
[08:22] <Merlin_> qman__: is this third party server a software or a group of people?
[08:22] <qman__> Merlin_, there are many companies that provide this type of service
[08:23] <qman__> one example is websense
[08:23] <qman__> I think openDNS offers a DNS-based filtering service too
[08:23] <googa> Is joining linux machine to windows domain very complicated?
[08:23] <qman__> googa, yes
[08:24] <Merlin_> qman__: oh.  and this company would also search the websites visited (and maybe keylog??)?
[08:25] <qman__> Merlin_, the company would definitely NOT keylog, but they may review visited URLs and check for content to update their lists
[08:25] <googa> qman__: how accurate is this explanation?
[08:26] <qman__> googa, what explanation?
[08:26] <Merlin_> qman__: aah.. thanks
[08:27] <googa> im sorry
[08:27] <googa> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/join-linux-to-windows-domain-371794/
[08:28] <googa> that
[08:28] <qman__> googa, that is accurate, but not complete
[08:29] <googa> what do you mean, not complete
[08:29] <qman__> it would allow you to access file shares on a windows domain, but to actually "join" a domain, and share users and information, you need to configure winbind or ldap, and pam
[08:29] <qman__> it is a fairly advanced configuration setup
[08:31] <qman__> googa, that information also pertains to slackware, configuring it on ubuntu will be different
[08:31] <googa> I have bind on a machine. will it not work using those settings in the link for windows users
[08:31] <qman__> bind and winbind are two different programs, with two very different purposes
[08:32] <googa> yes i see
[08:32] <googa> tough, will a dns server not work for windows client without all those advanced configuring ldap pam ....
[08:33] <qman__> googa, you do not need to join a domain to provide DNS
[08:33] <googa> good
[08:33] <qman__> the DNS server will work regardless
[08:33] <googa> what about vsftpd daemon
[08:33] <qman__> same
[08:33] <googa> do you need to join domain for that to be availble
[08:33] <googa> no?
[08:33] <googa> good
[08:33] <qman__> no
[08:33] <googa> and last CUPS
[08:33] <googa> what about that
[08:33] <qman__> windows doesn't support connecting to CUPS out of the box
[08:34] <googa> be more specific
[08:34] <qman__> if you want to share printers to windows clients, I suggest sharing them with samba
[08:34] <qman__> also, does not require joining the domain, though it is optional
[08:34] <googa> are u sure, someone told me i can share them trew cups
[08:35] <qman__> it is possible to connect windows to a CUPS printer, but it isn't the same as windows print sharing
[08:36] <qman__> both ways work, it depends on what you want
[08:36] <Merlin_> ey, qman__: How do you create a download limit?
[08:36] <qman__> Merlin_, can you be more specific?
[08:37] <Merlin_> qman__: I remember at school that you could not download files over 1GB.  If you tried you would only download the first GB of that file so, thus, the file would be useless.
[08:38] <qman__> Merlin_, yes, squid supports that type of configuration
[08:38] <qman__> I don't know off hand how to do it, but you should be able to find it
[08:38] <Merlin_> qman__: Could people bypass this configuration?
[08:38] <qman__> Merlin_, not if you configure squid as a transparent inline proxy
[08:39] <qman__> however, this only works for http
[08:39] <qman__> ftp and other protocols, if you allow them out, will not be limited by it
[08:40] <qman__> it is possible to limit other protocols too, but I don't know how to do it, and it would probably require purchasing software or equipment
[08:40] <Merlin_> qman__: what about using wget or by pausing the download, restarting the computer and resuming the download?
[08:41] <qman__> Merlin_, it would still be prevented
[08:41] <qman__> at least, I think it would
[08:41] <qman__> you would have to test to make sure
[08:42] <Merlin_> So there is no way to bypass this unless you didn't go through the proxy?
[08:42] <Merlin_> aah
[08:42] <qman__> a transparent inline proxy doesn't require any special client configuration, it just mangles all web traffic
[08:42] <qman__> and applies the rules
[08:42] <qman__> there are other ways to tackle the problem too
[08:42] <qman__> such as with complicated firewall rules
[08:43] <Merlin_> like what ways?
[08:44] <qman__> you could create or buy a software or device designed specifically to do it, or you could configure the firewall in such a way that it would prevent files over a certain size from passing through
[08:44] <qman__> a proxy is the simplest and most typical method
[08:45] <Merlin_> aah
[08:45] <qman__> generally when this type of configuration is needed, there is a large budget to be spent on it
[08:45] <qman__> so as you might imagine getting better than a proxy can get expensive
[08:46] <qman__> either in manpower to set it up or tools to do the job
[08:46] <qman__> or both
[08:48] <Merlin_> I could imagine
[08:49] <Merlin_> By hosting a proxy server in a virtual environment, then connecting to that server in the same computer keeps the same IP, right?
[08:50] <qman__> Merlin_, no, each of your virtual machines will have its own IP on the virtual network
[08:50] <qman__> it's possible to bridge everything together but that would prevent any of this from working
[08:50] <qman__> what you want is a virtual network routed to your real network, with all the VMs on the virtual network
[08:51] <Merlin_> I don
[08:51] <Merlin_> t understand
[08:52] <Merlin_> By creating a virtual proxy server and connecting to it on the same computer will dramatically increase my security of the computer would it not?
[08:52] <qman__> in order to configure the client and server in this way, you need to run a virtual network that is separate from your actual network
[08:52] <qman__> and then route the two together
[08:53] <Merlin_> To get all the machines with the same IP?
[08:53] <qman__> Merlin_, the machines cannot have the same IP, they must have different IPs
[08:54] <qman__> that's what the virtual network is for, to allow your virtual machines to each have their own IP on the network, and then you route your virtual network onto the real network
[08:54] <qman__> effectively, it's as if your host machine was a router, and all the virtual machines were behind it on a switch
[08:55] <Merlin_> aah
[08:56] <qman__> now, that is not the only way to configure networking for virutal machines, but it is the way you need to configure them for this setup to work
[08:57] <qman__> IIRC, virtualbox makes setting it up that way especially difficult, if not impossible
[08:57] <Merlin_> To set up a server, the network would need to be on 'host-only'?
[08:58] <qman__> I think the way you would need to do it is
[08:58] <qman__> on all the clients, set host-only
[08:58] <qman__> on the server, create two network adapters, one host-only, and one NAT or bridged
[08:58] <qman__> then configure the server to route traffic for the clients
[08:59] <Merlin_> ah ok
[09:00] <qman__> but you would need to check into virtualbox's manual and support, because I remember having a hard time getting it to work that way
[09:00] <qman__> I've done it on vmware, and on virtual PC just fine, but virtualbox was difficult
[09:01] <Merlin_> You like VMware, virtual PC or VB better?
[09:01] <qman__> depends on what for
[09:01] <qman__> for performance, virtualbox is best
[09:01] <qman__> for networking, vmware is best
[09:01] <qman__> for a quick, easy, windows VM on a windows host, virtual PC is best
[09:02] <Merlin_> mm.. k
[09:06] <Merlin_> qman__: by connecting to a proxy that I would host in a virtual machine, this would increase my security, right?
[09:17] <Merlin_> qman__: you there?
[09:27] <qman__> Merlin_, it wouldn't really affect security at all
[09:27] <qman__> it would merely alter your web browsing experience
[09:32] <Merlin_> qman__: but then wouldn't a hacker/website only get the IP of the proxy server?  THEN they would have to get my IP from being in the proxy server?
[09:32] <Merlin_> Thus, taking longer
[09:34] <qman__> all the traffic is funneled through your external IP anyway
[09:34] <qman__> and, attempting to hide your IP address is futile and pointless, in regards to security
[09:35] <Merlin_> oh
[09:36] <Merlin_> What about, since you are going through a proxy, then wouldn't the hacker only 'hack' into the proxy server, and since it is a virtual server, they cannot be much that would harm my computer??
[09:38] <qman__> that is a pretty misguided view of how "hacking" works, but even in that scenario, your host machine is more accessible than the virtual machines running on it regardless if you use a proxy to browse the web
[09:38] <qman__> to actually secure your network, you need to lock down access at the perimeter, your connection to the internet
[09:40] <Merlin_> oh
[09:51] <Merlin_> qman__: How would you make a user connect only to the proxy?
[09:54] <qman__> Merlin_, you can configure the proxy to be inline and transparent
[09:54] <qman__> so that all outbound web traffic is forced through it
[09:55] <Merlin_> how would youuu do that?
[09:55] <qman__> there are guides for it
[09:56] <qman__> like this one: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-setup-transparent-proxy-squid-howto.html
[09:59] <Merlin_> thanks
[10:00] <qman__> obviously you need a little adapting to your network design, but it covers the squid configuration completely and gives you the concepts
[10:01] <Merlin_> thx
[11:17] <error404notfound> i have a remote VPS, it has 12G hd, out of which around 6G is used. I want to take its backup so that i can restore it in one command. I want whole backup without putting it down. ideas?
[14:27] <error404notfound> what kind of backup do i need to restore a system state? by state i mean the same set of packages with relevant same set of configuration and documents as of now?
[14:27] <error404notfound> any other option than just using dd?
[14:28] <error404notfound> without putting the server down.... and it would be great if it could be incremental
[14:51] <dassouki> what is the best way to create an sftp user to access a specific folder
[14:51] <dassouki> and its subfolders
[14:52] <pmatulis> dassouki: you want to limit what the connecting user can see?
[14:53] <dassouki> pmatulis: just for wordpress, I want to create an sftp user, so I can automatically update my plugins folder
[14:53] <dassouki> so it can only upload to that folder
[14:54] <pmatulis> dassouki: you could force a chroot for that user
[14:55] <pmatulis> dassouki: he would only be able to see his home folder for instance (that contains the dir you want him to update)
[14:56] <dassouki> oooh k
[14:56] <dassouki> so i need to use proftpd then
[14:56] <pmatulis> dassouki: why?
[14:56] <dassouki> pmatulis: i thought that's how you create an ftp user
[14:56] <pmatulis> dassouki: you said you wanted to use sftp
[14:56] <dassouki> sorry yes
[14:57] <dassouki> FTPS
[14:57] <pmatulis> dassouki: not sure about ftps, best to use sftp, it's secure and simple
[14:58] <dassouki> ya the options are ftp or ftps
[14:58] <dassouki> to enable automatic updating
[14:58] <pmatulis> dassouki: k, dunno then
[14:58] <dassouki> thanks for the help though :D
[14:59] <pmatulis> dassouki: when i don't use sftp i use vsftpd
[14:59] <pmatulis> dassouki: it can also chroot
[15:00] <Wallace> I have just installed server, and it set up my primary network interface fine.  Now I want to setup the other interface...is there a simple configuration tool to do this, or do I have to start hacking scripts?
[15:04] <pmatulis> Wallace: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[15:05] <dassouki> pmatulis: ah so it's not a simple adduser then
[15:06] <pmatulis> dassouki: vsftpd is a server, it allows users to connect and use that service, so, yes, you need to create those users
[15:08] <TeTeT> pmatulis: doing some weekend work?
[15:08] <pmatulis> TeTeT: yes
[15:12] <Wallace> thanks pmatulis: how do I bring the interface up now? - just if-up eth0 ???
[15:15] <pmatulis> Wallace: 'sudo ifup ethX' should do it, yes
[15:15] <pmatulis> Wallace: also 'sudo service networking restart'
[15:15] <Wallace> cool thx - now i just need to get ssh work....ahh, network restart
[15:22] <Wallace_> sudo service networking restart says "restart: unknown instance:"
[15:23] <Wallace_> hang on bbias
[16:44] <ScottK> pmatulis: I'd ask what release wallace is on when he comes back.  sudo restart foo only works on 9.10
[16:48] <maxgqc> Hi, I have a problem with dhclient. My server has 2 NIC. eth0 is configured using DHCP and eth1 has a static ip address defined in /etc/network/interfaces. But sometimes eth1 gets an ip address from the dhcp server that is running on the server. Any help would be appreciated
[16:59] <pmatulis> ScottK: true
[17:00] <pmatulis> ScottK: actually that command is available since 8.10 no?
[17:03] <pmatulis> (service foo restart)
[19:27] <johe> hi there,i have an problem with snmpd daemon in LTS, it dies after a while, i heared of an bug which should be solved 12ubuntu7, but 4ubuntu7 is still active in LTS, any hint
[19:31] <johe> snmpd-5.4.1~dfsg-4ubuntu7 is what LTS use
[20:55] <Knifa> Hello. I've just installed Samba on my server and configured it so home folders are shared and that users need to login using a valid account on the server itself. However, despite it being set up correctly as far as I can tell, I can't login using my username and password. Any ideas? I can pastebin the config if required.
[20:57] <johe> Knifa, did you use smbpasswd for the accounts?
[20:57] <Knifa> i havn't, no D:
[20:58] <johe> Knifa, maybe you should :-)
[20:58] <Knifa> oh, hmm.
[20:58] <Knifa> i was assuming it would use the logins from the server D:
[20:59] <johe> well, i always make it that way, but we use it as an pdc, just try ^^
[21:00] <qman__> yeah, it's supposed to sync the two, but you usually have to set smbpasswd once on each user
[21:00] <Knifa> ah okay
[21:02] <Zeboss> hello
[21:03] <Wallace> hi all.  I just installed server 9.10 today, and the installer kept reporting "fail" when configuring the packages.  I went ahead with the install anyway, it it all seems okay, except, when I start up the display gives me a few lines (e.g. fscking), and straight to a login prompt.  Some basic stuff wasn't installed (e.g. tcpdump, samba, apache, sendmail - IIRC, i selected samba and mail plus a few other options).  Do I need to re-install, or s
[21:03] <Wallace> I kind of expected to see more starting services messages as it comes up
[21:04] <qman__> Wallace, all the packages you listed are extras and not in the default install
[21:04] <ScottK> It's not particularly expected, but it should be fixable rather than requiring a reinstall
[21:04] <qman__> the 'mail' task installs postfix and dovecot, not sendmail
[21:04] <ScottK> Wallace: One design rule in Ubuntu Server is that the base install has no open ports, so (for example) no MTA by default.
[21:05] <Wallace> okay, thanks.  next, what imap4 server would you recommend...there seem to be a few options
[21:05] <ScottK> Dovecot is the one that's supported
[21:05] <Wallace> scott: ahh, okay...makes sense
[21:05] <ScottK> Most people seem to like it.
[21:05] <ScottK> Also Postfix is the supported MTA, not Sendmail.
[21:06] <ScottK> Exim4 is also supported, but not so heavily documented.
[21:06] <Wallace> scott: you said it's installed already...what do I need to do to enable it?
[21:06] <Nexen|Zeboss> dovecot works fine
[21:06] <ScottK> Wallace: Which 'it' are we talking about?
[21:06] <Wallace> scott: i'm not familiar with postfix...can I use it to relay smtp from my internal net?
[21:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:06] <Wallace> scott: sry, dovecot...how to i enable dovecot
[21:07] <Knifa> Okay, I used smbpasswd to add a new account with my username, but I still can't connect. D:
[21:07] <qman__> Wallace, if it is installed, you just need to configure it, in /etc/dovecot
[21:07] <ScottK> Wallace: Look in /topic for the link to the Ubuntu Server Guide.  It has very good docs on how.
[21:07] <Wallace> qman: k, thx, i'll have a look
[21:07] <Wallace> scott...er ubuntu server guide?  where do I find that..on the net or installed on the machine?
[21:08] <qman__> Wallace, online, the link is in the channel topic
[21:09] <Wallace> ..ah, thanks....and dovecot doesn't appear in /etc... the package is called "dovecot" right?  I can just apt-get it?
[21:09] <qman__> Wallace, you can, or you can use tasksel to install the 'mail' task, which will install and configure (to a basic level) postfix and dovecot
[21:10] <Wallace> qman: what is / how do i use "tasksel" ?
[21:10] <qman__> you can either use the menu interface using "sudo tasksel", or IIRC it's "sudo tasksel install mail-server
[21:10] <qman__> "
[21:10] <Wallace> k, thanks guys, I'll look it up :)
[21:11] <ScottK> There is also in Jaunty and later a package called dovecot-postfix you can install that will do all the configuring for you
[21:11] <ScottK> (It may be postfix=dovecot)
[21:11] <Wallace> ...ahh, the same interface as the installer...the one that failed earlier...interestingly mail, and a few other things are not selected.....that may be related to the error
[21:16] <Knifa> Ugh. I added my user using smbpasswd for Samba on the server. Still can't connect. Just says it's incorrect.
[21:17] <Wallace> Knifa: what client are you using?
[21:17] <Knifa> i'm trying to connect to the server via windows 7 (but also tested on my macbook with the same error)
[21:19] <Wallace> hmm, dunno about windows7, and tbh, it works fine with vista for me, but certainly with xp, you have to add a registry key "sendplaintextpassword" or something like that for it to work.  I'm guessing here..if it works with vista it ought to work with 7, but might be worth having a quick look into it
[21:19] <qman__> samba works fine with XP out of the box
[21:20] <Wallace> qman: never did for me...i always had to add that registry key....unless it's been worked around with newer versions of samba....like i said, i'm guessing really, but that's what i had to do
[21:20] <qman__> Knifa, you did smbpasswd -a for your user, correct?
[21:20] <Knifa> yep, i did.
[21:20] <qman__> that always did it for me, maybe there's another problem
[21:21] <qman__> are you sure the client is using the correct username?
[21:21] <Knifa> yeah, definitely
[21:21] <qman__> I don't know about mac, but windows tends to send a bunch of bogus creds before asking you
[21:22] <qman__> hmm
[21:22] <Knifa> i'm using the default config, apart from uncommenting the bit about sharing home folders
[21:23] <Wallace> knifa: you may need to add an "interface" setting then, otherwise it may not allow connections
[21:23] <qman__> Knifa, does the user's home directory exist and belong to him?
[21:23] <Knifa> qman__ yeah, it does
[21:23] <qman__> no, it works out of the box
[21:23] <qman__> just add shares and users
[21:23] <Wallace> ...or is the default interface to listen on anything
[21:23] <Knifa> i don't think it would reject my login otherwise
[21:23] <Knifa> it would just fail
[21:23] <qman__> yeah
[21:24] <qman__> it would just fail to connect, not fail to login
[21:24] <qman__> Knifa, try re-setting your user's password (to the same thing)
[21:24] <Wallace> ahh, okay, well i always set that up anyway, so world+dog can't connect via my external net interface
[21:24] <qman__> the system password
[21:25] <Knifa> still fails :[
[21:25] <Knifa> i actually think it's rejecting connections now.
[21:25] <Knifa> hrm
[21:25] <Knifa> okay no it isn't
[21:26] <qman__> and it's giving you NT authentication failure?
[21:27] <Knifa> yeah
[21:27] <Knifa> atleast i think so.
[21:27] <qman__> what are you using on mac to test?
[21:28] <qman__> windows doesn't give any helpful output
[21:28] <Knifa> just the connect to server bit in finder
[21:28] <Knifa> \\SERVER is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. on windows 7
[21:28] <Knifa> mac says login is incorrect
[21:28] <qman__> hm
[21:28] <qman__> it would help if you had smbclient to test with
[21:29] <Knifa> i can install it and see if it can actually connect to itself
[21:32] <qman__> Knifa, check your /etc/samba/smb.conf, and see how the authentication section compares to this: http://pastebin.com/d5f312afe
[21:32] <qman__> this is a working config
[21:32] <Knifa> sorted it
[21:32] <Knifa> encrypted passwords needs to be turned on
[21:32] <Knifa> thanks :#
[21:32] <Knifa> :3
[21:33] <qman__> ah, yeah, that one's important :)
[21:33] <Wallace> Okay, I can connect via imap, but can't send a test message.  When I try and use 'mail' on the command line to send, I get: postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[21:34] <Wallace> have i forgotton to configure or install something?
[21:34] <Wallace> ....and come to think of it, should I uninstall sendmail
[21:36] <qman__> Wallace, this should be relevant: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4541595&postcount=5
[21:39] <Wallace> thanks...that did the trick...now just gotta figure out how to make it visible to dovecot
[21:40] <Wallace> damn...I wonder if mail sent it via the smarthost....
[21:40] <Wallace> does postfix deliver local mail locally by default, or does it relay everything?
[21:41] <qman__> I'm not sure
[21:41] <qman__> I know it can be configured both ways, but I don't know what the default is
[21:42] <Wallace> k, i'll look into it...meantime how do I remove a package installed with apt-get ... specifically sendmail, I guess I don't need it
[21:42] <Wallace> is there an apt-remove? I can't see one
[21:42] <qman__> sudo apt-get remove, but you should use sudo apt-get purge
[21:42] <qman__> to remove all the configuration files for sendmail
[21:42] <Wallace> ahh, get-remove
[21:42] <Wallace> thanks again :)
[21:43] <qman__> remove just removes the binaries, purge removes all the configs
[21:43] <Wallace> hmm, interesting, it says it wasn't installed....i swear i installed it earlier
[21:44] <Wallace> ...actually, it says "the following packages were AUTOMATICALLY installed" (my emphasis) ... "use apt-get autoremove" to remove them
[21:46] <qman__> yeah, when you install a package, the deps are auto selected, and when you remove it, those deps could still be installed
[21:46] <qman__> it keeps track of it so you can easily remove them if you want
[21:47] <Wallace> qman:  ahh, so sendmail is some sort of meta package then?
[21:47] <Wallace> anyway, if i could just figure out what postfix was doing with my mail
[21:47] <qman__> probably not
[21:47] <Tru7h> Greetings! Does anybody know how I would go about connecting my server to a wireless network?
[21:48] <Wallace> truth: in my case, i have a wireless access point with an ethernet port in it, which i just plug in and do a bit of config
[21:48] <Wallace> oh, wait, you want to connect *to* a network, not create one
[21:49] <Wallace> what wifi hardware do you have on the server?
[21:50] <Tru7h> Wallace: I believe it's an Intel PRO/Wireless 2915.
[21:51] <Bo7> Hi! I just did a fresh install of 9.10 server, The DHCP auto-config fails. what should I do? it works perfectly on 9.10 Desktop, but not with server. It's connected directly to the Internet.
[21:57] <qman__> Bo7, unless you pay for multiple IPs, you can only connect one machine directly to the internet on home/small business plans
[21:58] <qman__> if it is the one machine, contact your ISP
[21:59] <Bo7> they support 5 ips. and it's connected directly to the port, so it should work
[22:00] <qman__> in that case, they might be using the MAC address to identify your computers
[22:01] <qman__> you'd have to contact them to find out
[22:01] <qman__> server and desktop use the same DHCP client, so if desktop worked, server will too
[22:01] <Bo7> iit worked when I ran Ubuntu Desktop, so I was thinking there's a difference in drivers or something?
[22:01] <qman__> it has to be an external factor
[22:01] <Bo7> hmm, I see
[22:01] <qman__> now
[22:01] <qman__> you did say dhcp failed to get an address right? in that it IS running?
[22:02] <Bo7> when I run the setup yes
[22:02] <KiLVaiDeN> hello everybody !
[22:03] <qman__> Bo7, did you install anyway? if so, try running dhclient manually
[22:03] <qman__> sudo dhclient eth0
[22:04] <qman__> or whichever interface you're using
[22:04] <Bo7> yes I tried that before, but now I just did a reinstall, and it failed again..
[22:06] <Bo7> I'm considering downloading the LTS version and try that. Maybe 'll work better?
[22:06] <qman__> it probably won't make any difference, but you can try if you want
[22:07] <qman__> like I said, the problem is likely external, or it might be choosing the wrong interface during setup
[22:07] <qman__> you don't need an internet connection to install, as long as you can get connected afterward and update
[22:08] <Bo7> yeah. I tried to put some stuff in /e/n/interfaces before, didn't help..
[22:09] <AnRkey> i'm having an issue with apt-proxy where I have to restart it quite often if one of the client PC's stops updating in the middle of an update. What is the recommended ubuntu-server apt caching proxy? Or is there a known fix for this issue with apt-proxy?
[22:09] <Bo7> namely "auto eth0      and    iface eth0 inet dhcp"   but it got a ip6 address and failed
[22:10] <qman__> Bo7, that's the correct configuration
[22:10] <qman__> so as long as eth0 is the correct interface, and is detected by the system (shows up in ifconfig -a)
[22:10] <qman__> then there's nothing wrong on the machine
[22:12] <Bo7> yes, it says eth0, but it gets an ipv6 adress somehow..
[22:12] <qman__> that's automatic
[22:12] <Bo7> ahh
[22:13] <qman__> even if you're not connecting, it assigns itself an ipv6 address automatically
[22:13] <Bo7> oh okay
[22:13] <qman__> sort of like the 169.254.x.x ipv4 address scheme
[22:13] <qman__> but, the fact that it IS assigning itself an ipv6 address means the hardware is working
[22:13] <qman__> and it has link
[22:14] <Bo7> hmm, so what then? o_O
[22:15] <qman__> it must be external, check the device it's plugged into, or contact your ISP
[22:16] <Bo7> I'm gonna try the desktop live cd again to make sure
[22:17] <KiLVaiDeN> i'm on my way to configure an email server, which one would you recommend ?
[22:17] <Bo7> desktop is 32-bit, and server 64. but that won't matter right?
[22:18] <KiLVaiDeN> Bo7, 64bit has always felt kinda unsupported to me on all distribs, but maybe it's a wrong opinion... I would suggest you install a 32 bit if you can, performance won't be that much impacted if you don't need the 64bit thing
[22:19] <qman__> on the contrary, 64-bit is preferred
[22:19] <qman__> though that does introduce another possible problem
[22:19] <Bo7> I see, I just went with the default download from the site
[22:19] <qman__> if there is a bug in the 64-bit driver, but not the 32-bit driver
[22:19] <qman__> try the 32-bit to verify
[22:20] <KiLVaiDeN> 32bit drivers are always more widely tested in my opinion, that's why I stick usually to 32 bit, but it's me, you can ignore my advice ^^
[22:20] <Tru7h> Bo7: The 32/64 bit difference is the only variable I can see; it would make sense to test the 32-bit one to see if it works.
[22:20] <Tru7h> Bo7: If it does, we know for certain where the problem is.
[22:21] <Bo7> allright, I'll download 9.10 32-bit also then
[22:21] <qman__> yeah
[22:21] <qman__> 64-bit is clearly loading and using a driver though, so if it is that, it has to be a bug in it, not lack of support
[22:22] <KiLVaiDeN> so... do you guys have a suggestion for a preferred mail server ?
[22:22] <qman__> KiLVaiDeN, postfix + dovecot
[22:22] <qman__> it's the setup used in the mail server task and is supported
[22:22] <qman__> the other supported mail server is exim
[22:23] <KiLVaiDeN> yeah i'm reading https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html and they seem to go for that option too
[22:23] <KiLVaiDeN> I managed an installation with qmail and it was quite ok too, but i think i'll follow the standard ;) thank you qman__
[22:28] <Tru7h> Anyone know how to connect server 9.10 to wireless?
[22:29] <KiLVaiDeN> what do you mean "connect server to wireless" ? is it a server distrib used as desktop ?
[22:30] <Tru7h> I have a fresh install of server 9.10 and I want to connect it to a wireless network rather than wiring it.
[22:31] <tsrk> I was upgrading the packages on my server, but samba had an interactive prompt and my SSH session was disconnected. The other session is still open and waiting for a response. What do I do now?
[22:32] <RoAkSoAx> mdz, ping
[22:35] <KiLVaiDeN> Tru7h, which tries have you done so far ?
[22:37] <Tru7h> KiLVaiDeN: To be honest, I'm not even sure where to begin. I'm new to this.
[22:38] <KiLVaiDeN> http://www.unixnewbie.org/how-to-setup-wireless-with-ubuntu-9-10/ have you tried this ?
[22:39] <Tru7h> That, along with the other guides I've come across, only work with Ubuntu Desktop.
[22:39] <Tru7h> I don't have a GUI so I can't follow those steps.
[22:53] <KiLVaiDeN> you gotta check how iwconfig works, sorry i must go and anyways i'm not an expert about it
[22:54] <KiLVaiDeN> bye
[23:13] <mdz> RoAkSoAx, yes?
[23:14] <RoAkSoAx> mdz, I was wondering if the Cluster Stack talk for the UDS has been scheduled, since I cannot find it in the schedule
[23:17] <mdz> RoAkSoAx, I'm not sure; I think we may have a few sessions yet to schedule (there is plenty of space). ttx is the person to speak to
[23:17] <RoAkSoAx> mdz, ok cool. Thanks. I'll talk to him :)
[23:37] <alex88> i've a vps with ubuntu 9.04 minimal..and screen as a bottom toolbar with windows etc...another one vps with 9.10, but screen doesn't have any addictional feature...any help?
[23:39] <Mark21> alex88: can you do: screen --version on both systems?
[23:39] <Mark21> so just: screen --version
[23:39] <alex88> sure..w8 a sec
[23:40] <alex88> same: Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06
[23:40] <alex88> for the first start on 9.04 it asked me for theme etc.. in 9.10 it doesn't ask anything
[23:41] <Mark21> strange, I don't have an idea (I did think about different screen versions)
[23:41] <twb> alex88: this is a feature
[23:41] <twb> alex88: you must install "byobu" and run it instead of screen if you want the 9.04 behaviour on 9.10
[23:41] <twb> In 9.04 a wrapper script was introduced which annoyed a lot of people.  Now it is off by default.
[23:42] <alex88> twb: thanks man.. btw i think it easier to understand with byobu
[23:43] <twb> alex88: I don't dispute this, and I think suddenly turning it off (in 9.10) was nearly as bad as turning it on without asking in 9.04.
[23:44] <alex88> =) yeah it's the same thing..but i've skipped the screen first page..so my fault


[23:51] <seattlegaucho> my first python script took very little effort ... not ready to move off Perl quite yet
[23:54] <valorie> just because you learn to use a star driver, doesn't mean you leave your straight-slot behind
[23:54] <valorie> right?


[00:17] <el> is there a reason why that's not just an account ban?
[03:23] <scorpion00> hi
 Hey
[07:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:05] <Mamarok> [12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 DOes anyone know when the upgrade function in the GUI will be activated for 18.04 to 20.04?
 @linuxophil, Already enabled https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/Kubuntu
 @RikMills, Do I undeestand that correctly that there will not be a button "upgrade to 20.04"?
 Sorry, not a native speaker.
 @linuxophil, KDE ripped that functionality out of discover quite some years ago
 I read it like "you have to use the CLI in order to download a tool to then upgrade"?
 Xenial was the last where discover supported "a button"
 This is weird! I was just twlling xfce fans that I like about kde that it enables users to basically use the GUI for everything.
 Yes, but they can't support 20+ different distro upgrade mechanisms
 @RikMills, I have to say that this is a horrible user experience. I love KDE and use it for many years so far and hopefully even more in the past. But expecting users to just know that you have to do all these things layed out in the help page is just absurd!
 @RikMills, I get that the KDE project might not be able to do that. But at some point between kernel development and the mom sitting at her email and webbrowsing machine there should be the possibility for a solution that somehow guides the user to an essential upgrade.
 Did anyone eventually built an (EXPERIMENTAL) PPA with KDE Plasma 5.20 for Kubuntu 20.10. I remember someone (from the Kubuntu team, I think) saying that they would probably try to build an experimental PPA for that. Just wondering if someone actually did it.
 @petersaints, That was me, and sadly I have not had the time
 Yeah. I think it was you. No problem. Just checking because after searching the group I couldn't find you did it or not.
[15:39] <ra1nbow> hey
[15:39] <ra1nbow> is this irc?
 @ra1nbow, yes, it is
 @murdock86, They left about 3 nanoseconds after asking ;)
 so much for having patience xD
 Oh, your one of the devs, nice to meet you :D
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/YckjecrO/file_39805.mp4
 🍻
 @RikMills, 😂
[19:13] <viewer|55> The past week I keep getting "Error 503 : Service Temporarily Unavailable". I have no way to contacting an administrator their.
 Ooo5
 0005


[08:53] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what about getting https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/huddie/+merge/239831 in ? It'll save some compile time and maybe even make installation better
[08:54] <tsdgeos> since maybe we save the phone from having dee installed
[09:20] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, btw... looks like the combobutton replacement branch is going to be included after all
[09:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, checked yesterday via email what's the status on the subject is with stakeholders
[09:21] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:22] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, also kicked off another build on jenkins... after I saw that there were still whitespace issues.
[09:30] <tsdgeos> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat has happened to our header?¿?¿
[09:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, wer?
[09:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: make tryDash looks specially bad
[09:42] <tsdgeos> vivid
[09:43] <tsdgeos> is this the UITK change we need mzanetti's branch for?
[09:43] <mzanetti> hmm
[09:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ugh
[09:44] <mzanetti> if it has multiple bottom separators, yes
[09:44] <Saviq> yeah looks like it
[09:46] <mzanetti> yeah... timp approved that header branch
[09:46] <mzanetti> I actually thought he'll land it in the same silo or so
[09:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, .pot update for huddie do you think?
[09:53] <tsdgeos> can do
[09:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: done
[09:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[10:06] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: can you remove this probably unneeded change?
[10:06] <tsdgeos> 309	- hints: {"x-canonical-private-affirmative-tint": "true"},
[10:06] <tsdgeos> 310	+ hints: {"x-canonical-private-affirmative-tint": "true",},
[10:08] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, sure
[10:11] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, pushed
[10:12] <Saviq> whoa, qmluitests green again \o/
[10:14] <tsdgeos> well
[10:14] <tsdgeos> now for autopilot :D
[10:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, do you have to spoil the fun ;)
[10:22] <tsdgeos> i'm like that
[10:22] <tsdgeos> the party animal!
[10:23] <MacSlow> :)
[10:25] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: so we don't do the delayed height animation anymore?
[10:29] <mzanetti> ...
[10:33] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: so basically with the new code
[10:33] <tsdgeos> action with index 2 is just the text that is shown in the expander, but doesn't "do" anything, right?
[10:34] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, correct..that's what design wants
[10:34] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: has spec or whatever been updated so people using this knows?
[10:37] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i have the feeling that the mousearea there should be an AbstractButton so that there is haptic feedback
[10:38] <tsdgeos> and imho
[10:38] <tsdgeos> optionToggle.expanded = optionToggle.expanded ? false : true
[10:38] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, since nothing is using it yet, there's nothing that could break.
[10:38] <tsdgeos> would read better as
[10:38] <tsdgeos> optionToggle.expanded = !optionToggle.expanded
[10:39] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i'm not saying breaking, i'm saying documenting
[10:39] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the only "documentation" is the design-spec
[10:39] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:40] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, any the examples from lp:unity-notifications
[10:40] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, and those I always keep aligned with the latest design-mockups I receive
[10:42] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'm using "optionToggle.expanded = optionToggle.expanded ? false : true"
[10:42] <tsdgeos> yes
[10:42] <tsdgeos> i say i think i think the other reads better
[10:42] <tsdgeos> but that's fine if you don't want to change it
[10:42] <tsdgeos> the MouseArea vs AbstractButton i think is something we should change though
[10:42] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, you just mixed up these two :)
[10:43] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I'll look into the AbstractButton
[10:54] <mzanetti> greyback: hey, for the antialiasing we'd need that branch too. https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/antialiasing-spread/+merge/240581
[10:54] <mzanetti> it's an easy one though
[10:54] <greyback> mzanetti, ok
[10:55] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, fixed mentioned issues.
[10:57] <MacSlow> amazing to see a jenkins-run on a unity8-branch with everything succeeding
[11:07] <greyback> am I really too stupid to figure out how to restore one file with dejadup?
[11:08] <greyback> "You can restore the entire backup with the Restore... button" - ok I see that
[11:08] <Saviq> greyback, doesn't it integrate with nautilus or something?
[11:08] <greyback> "or use Files to either revert individual files or restore missing ones" - where the f*ck is "Files" - I only have "Help" in the menus
[11:08] <Saviq> greyback, nautilus is "Files"
[11:09] <greyback> Saviq: that's retarted
[11:09] <Saviq> greyback, you know who to talk to ;)
[11:10] <greyback> indeed
[11:10] <greyback> bbiab
[11:10] <davmor2> greyback: totem is videos, epiphany is web, etc etc etc  it's all gnomes making it easier naming thing
[11:11] <MacSlow> "Files" vs "nautilus" -> new user vs old-school user
[11:13] <larsu> we're doing the same on touch, no? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[11:13] <larsu> "Weather", "Music", "Share", ...
[11:14] <larsu> I think it's just the modern way to name apps
[11:14] <larsu> (that are part of the system)
[11:14] <tsdgeos> larsu: it's not the modern way it's the "You shall not use other apps other than the blessed ones" way
[11:14] <tsdgeos> because who in it's mind would use "somename" when you have "Videos" around
[11:15] <larsu> tsdgeos: who forces anyone to use those apps?
[11:15] <tsdgeos> larsu: the *name*
[11:15] <larsu> the name forces?
[11:15] <larsu> this is ridiculous
[11:15] <tsdgeos> yep
[11:15] <tsdgeos> people is ridiculous :D
[11:15] <tsdgeos> don't quote me on that ;)
[11:15] <larsu> people use firefox on gnome even though "Web" is around
[11:15] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, it's going on the quotes-page now :-P
[11:16] <larsu> tsdgeos: and calendar apps on android/ios even though "Calendar" is around
[11:16] <tsdgeos> larsu: sure, that's because Web is maybe not that good and because Firefox is a powerhouse name
[11:16] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:17] <larsu> tsdgeos: how about third party camera apps on ios? They're really popular
[11:17] <larsu> tsdgeos: but the default app is named ... Camera
[11:18] <larsu> I think it's just a "comes from os vendor"/"is a 3rd party app with its own branding" distinction
[11:18] <larsu> since the os vendor doesn't usually need to brand each bundled app
[11:19] <larsu> (they still do for high profile apps, such as browsers)
[11:22] <tsdgeos> larsu: maybe
[11:23] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: yeah this is really better than the old thing
[11:24] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: would you hate me much if i ask for a single icon instead of two?
[11:24] <tsdgeos> or you think it'd make the code les readable?
[11:24] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, single icon ?
[11:24] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, where
[11:24] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: you have two Icon {}
[11:25] <tsdgeos> but they are alternatively visibible
[11:25] <tsdgeos> i.e. one is
[11:25] <tsdgeos> visible: index !== startIndex
[11:25] <tsdgeos> and the other
[11:25] <tsdgeos> visible: index [11:25] <tsdgeos> so could really use One
[11:26] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, hm... let me see
[11:28] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, the layout/placement will look weird
[11:31] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: you mean the code
[11:31] <tsdgeos> to make it be either on left/right if it's index [11:33] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, no... startIndexis for the passed in model
[11:33] <tsdgeos> ok, leave it like this
[11:34] <tsdgeos> it's one extra Icon{} only
[11:34] <tsdgeos> and it's not like Notification is there all the time
[11:34] <tsdgeos> wasting memory
[11:41] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, one potentially can get only one such notification with the new OptionToggle at time
[11:57] <tsdgeos> sure
[12:00] <mzanetti> Cimi: hey, you in the office today?
[12:10] <Cimi> mzanetti, nope
[12:11] <Cimi> mzanetti, I'll hardly go with my back in the next weeks... but I will if needed
[12:11] <Cimi> mzanetti, is there a silo to test?
[12:11] <Cimi> 4?
[12:14] <mzanetti> Cimi: problem solved... did a hangout with design
[12:27] <Cimi> mzanetti, is there also a silo we need to test?
[12:28] <mzanetti> Cimi: no, not that I know of
[12:28] <mzanetti> are we gonna land the list on bottom swipe for rtm now?
[12:28] <mzanetti> seeing there's a silo for it
[12:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: we're not
[12:29] <mzanetti> ok
[12:29] <tsdgeos> unless someone overruled what kgunn said yesterday :D
[12:29] <mzanetti> :D
[13:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, which is the branch fixing the header?
[13:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: haven't tried, but https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/new-pageheader-api/+merge/239242 ?
[13:53] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i find it weird they are changing public api unless this is going to land on rtm
[13:53] <tsdgeos> this late
[13:53] <tsdgeos> but oh well
[13:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I find it weird how that landed at all
[13:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: but it's vivid only, no?
[13:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes, but well, how it landed in vivid? it's kinda easy to notice...
[13:54] <tsdgeos> ah
[13:54] <tsdgeos> sure
[14:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, would you have some time to look at the remaining autopilot failure we have in ci?
[14:36] <Saviq> /latefood
[15:17] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah, can have a look
[15:52] <cwayne> Saviq: whats the key combo to invoke screenshotter?
[15:53] <Saviq> cwayne, volup+voldown
[15:53] <cwayne> Saviq: nice, thanks
[16:08]  * greyback eow
[16:08] <greyback> good weekend guys!
[16:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: we can't run autopilot from a source dir any more, can we?
[16:19] <robotfuel> mzanetti: where are you trying to run autopilot? on a phone?
[16:19] <mzanetti> my desktop
[16:20] <robotfuel> mzanetti: that hasn't changed
[16:20] <mzanetti> well... it always runs the isntalled instance, not the one from the builddir
[16:20] <mzanetti> if I uninstall the installed one, it won't work at all any more
[16:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, ninja -C builddir install
[16:22] <Saviq> or well, make -C builldir install
[16:23] <Saviq> you need to have it installed *somewhere* (by default in builddir/install)
[16:23] <Saviq> and that's where autopilot will look for unity8
[16:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: see the CODING file
[16:30] <tsdgeos> you need to set PYTHONpATH too afair
[16:30] <mzanetti> doesn't fail on my desktop anyways
[16:31] <mzanetti> I guess we could just delete that test anyways... well, at least the open_scop_to_right is useless
[16:31] <mzanetti> as it just swipes the dash to the left
[16:31] <mzanetti> while the open_scop_to_left does the same, and additionally swipes it back
[16:31] <mzanetti> so one of them is definitely just a waste of time


[01:11] <BobJonkman> ...at Ubuntu Hour with dscassel and txwikinger
[01:11] <BobJonkman> Both of whom are computerless
[02:34] <dscassel> Woo!
[03:32] <ultimoore> hello everyone
[03:42] <BobJonkman> Hi ultimoore
[03:44] <ultimoore> oh hey
[03:45] <ultimoore> i didnt think anyone was online
[13:22] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:04] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj :)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hey dscassel , how's the heat ? :)
[14:23] <dscassel> Not intolerable yet, but that's coming, I'm sure. :)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> 28 here already
[14:37] <dscassel> Just passed 30 here. :) http://ubuntuone.com/p/15eR/
[16:40] <kenjy> hi guys
[16:40] <dscassel> Hi kenjy :)
[16:40] <kenjy> dscassel: hi dude  :)
[16:41] <kenjy> I would like to study a master degree in Canada but I dream with something related to Linux and OpenSource hehehe
[16:41] <kenjy> any idea?
[16:42] <dscassel> What field?  CS? Engineering? Law? Sociology?
[16:42] <dscassel> What's your undergrad?
[16:43] <kenjy> dscassel: Iam a Computer Networking Engineer
[16:44] <kenjy> dscassel: so information technology or computer science should be the field or the area
[16:45] <dscassel> I'm only a little bit familiar with grad programs, and then only really the University of Waterloo...
[16:46] <dscassel> The Engineering grad programs there would probably be a better fit.  The CS programs are very theoretical and math-focused.
[16:46] <kenjy> dscassel: but I have an issue here, months ago I applyed for a Permanent Resident Card, it should be here in January
[16:46] <dscassel> Ah, and immigration is something I have almost zero exposure too. :)
[16:46] <kenjy> dscassel: and I don't if I should apply as a PR or International Student
[16:46] <kenjy> and I don't know* if ...
[16:47] <dscassel> If you can apply as a resident, that would amost certainly be a lot cheaper..
[16:47] <kenjy> Engineering grad programs should be the better option
[16:48] <kenjy> dscassel: the University of Waterloo requires an English test? I mean for Canadian or residents?
[16:49] <kenjy> you know ... I don't have the best english here and obviously Im not a native speaker ...
[16:50] <dscassel> kenjy: Both. I had to take the ELPE.  Where you from?
[16:53] <kenjy> dscassel: Mexico
[16:54] <kenjy> I have been here for a while but more than a listener hehehe
[16:54] <kenjy> I mean in the channel
[16:55] <dscassel> Well, everybody's welcome.  Sorry we're kind of boring. :)
[16:55] <dscassel> Where are you planning on settling, or have you figured that out yet?
[17:02] <kenjy> dscassel: I applied to immigrate to Canada last year and now I'm close to finish the process however I am interested in a master degree and well here you usually speak about free software and linux meetings at universities, I would like to study a masters in technology area in a university where  I could find a good and strong free and open source software community as a plus
[17:06] <dscassel> kenjy: Awesome.
[17:07] <dscassel> If you're here in October, FSOSS/Toronto Linux Fest is looking for speakers.  First round deadline is this weekend. http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2011/PresentationProposal
[17:09] <dscassel> The Free Software community seems to be a bit diverse and spread out.  We're pretty active here in Waterloo, and I hear there's interesting stuff in Vancouver and Montreal...
[17:10] <dscassel> Not a lot of people working to bring it all together.  I'm trying, but I'm just one guy. :)
[17:10] <kenjy> dscassel: tnks for the invitation :D
[17:12] <kenjy> dscassel: when you say Vancouver you mean at the Vancouver university?
[17:13] <dscassel> Vancouver the city.
[17:14] <dscassel> They've got a couple universities.  University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser, I think.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> university of victoria or uvic , is on vancouver island , small city but very nice
[17:19] <BluesKaj> son studied there , dunno how techie that school is tho...might worth checking
[17:19] <kenjy> BluesKaj: okay
[17:20] <dscassel> BluesKaj: Yeah, I've been to Victoria. Nice place. Haven't been to UVic, tho.
[17:21] <kenjy> tnks for all your information guys
[17:21] <dscassel> np. :)
[17:21] <BluesKaj> but I guess waterloo is the ultratech/computer engineering school in Canada
[17:22] <dscassel> It's definitely up there, yeah.
[17:22] <dscassel> Other universities (Toronto, Queen's in Kingston, probably others outside Ontario that I'm less familiar with) also have good engineering programs...
[17:23] <BluesKaj> I 2worked wth some guys that graduated from waterloo in the 70s ...already had a decent engineering school and reputation by that time
[17:24] <kenjy> what about the weather? I come from a tropical weather country and I only have been on Vancouver in summer 6 years ago and past january (1month), is the weather really hard in Waterloo?
[17:25] <dscassel> It's current 34 degrees celcius. :P
[17:25] <dscassel> The winters can get nasty, but the've been reasonbly mild the last few years.
[17:26] <dscassel> Still, prepare for snow and really cold (-20 or below) days come January or February.
[17:27] <dscassel> Vancouver's much milder.  Also much wetter.
[17:27] <kenjy> dscassel: hoooooooooooooooooooooo my ... -20? wooooooooooooooW
[17:28] <kenjy> frightening but terrific as a challenge :P
[17:29] <BluesKaj> kenjy, I live 300km north of dscassel , an we seldom have -20 anymore Jan/feb , even at night
[17:30] <kenjy> BluesKaj: ain't you from Waterloo? :O
[17:31] <dscassel> Well, yeah, it doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> no ..never attended university ..except for some Ryerson courses on gas chromatography
[17:32] <kenjy> is the life in Waterloo expensive for an student?
[17:32] <dscassel> BluesKaj: There are lots of people in Waterloo who haven't been to university. :)
[17:33] <dscassel> kenjy: I was never the drinking and partying type, so I can't give you that perspective.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> went out to work after high school, no student loans in those days ...siter was the smaert one so parents helped her financially
[17:33] <kenjy> dscassel: I am not the drinking and parying type either
[17:33] <dscassel> But it's good, I think.  Now even moreso than when I was a student.  If you're not too busy with school, there are plenty of things to get involved in.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> sister
[17:34] <kenjy> partying*
[17:35] <dscassel> Waterloo isn't a big city.  About 500,000 for the whole region (Waterloo proper is only 100,000).
[17:35] <dscassel> So it may be a bit disappointing for people expecting big city amenities.
[17:35] <dscassel> But I grew up in a town of 35,000, so it seemed pretty exciting to me. :)
[17:36]  * BluesKaj lives in a town of 5000 ppl
[17:36] <BluesKaj> grew up in a city of 50,000 ...it's 100k now
[17:36] <dscassel> BluesKaj: where's that?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> Sudbury
[17:37] <kenjy> dscassel: I sadly live in one of the biggest countries in the world
[17:39] <BluesKaj> I'm 40 mins outside of Sudbury ... 30 mins from manitoulin island..tourrist trap
[17:40] <dscassel> Waterloo might seem downright rural (I'm looking out at cornfields from my office window. :)
[17:40] <dscassel> BluesKaj: Nice, though.  Save for the mosquitos. :)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> no real mosquito porblem nowadays ...the odd time , but not a constant thing like previous yrs
[17:42] <BluesKaj> this heat will wipe them out for a while
[17:45] <BluesKaj> kenjy, Toronto is just an hour away from Waterloo, if you need to get to the big city occasionally.
[17:45] <kenjy> BluesKaj: Iam taking all this information into consideration because my first goal was vancouver but waterloo sounds like a good destiny too
[17:46] <BluesKaj> not like Mexico city , but large enough
[17:46] <kenjy> BluesKaj: the size of Mexico city its horrible
[17:47] <dscassel> kenjy: I certainly think so. :)
[17:47] <BluesKaj> yes , I've seen some documentaries , but I'm sure it has some nice areas
[17:47] <dscassel> (the part about Waterloo, not Mexico. :)
[17:47] <kenjy> BluesKaj: for sure
[17:48] <BluesKaj> never visited there , unfortunately
[17:48] <dscassel> Back to weather for a minute, this was last winter: http://uwweatherstation.blogspot.com/2011/03/winter-20102011-summary.html
[17:48] <kenjy> BluesKaj: if yo do one day and I am still here just write me
[17:53] <kenjy> well guys tnks for all, I will go back later to share whats going on about this
[17:55] <dscassel> Glad we could help.  See you, kenjy :)


[05:29] <jbicha> highvoltage: ping
[05:32] <jbicha> actually it's late so I'll catch you later...I had some gnome-panel patches I wanted to get reviewed
[05:40] <highvoltage> jbicha: ah great, ping me when you're back
[05:49] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694625
[05:49] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694607
[05:49] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692764


[15:12] <lazypower> rick_h_, crap
[15:12] <lazypower> rick_h_, i didnt mean to resolve that comment ;_;
[15:12] <rick_h_> lazypower: ?
[15:12] <lazypower> in the juju terms doc
[15:13] <lazypower> i resolved one of your comments re; hook tool
[15:13] <lazypower> and i cant figure out how to get it back
[15:13] <rick_h_> lazypower: go to the comments button in the top right
[15:13] <rick_h_> lazypower: find the comment and you can reopen it
[15:13] <rick_h_> lazypower: I reopened it
[15:13] <rick_h_> lazypower: got a sec to chat?
[15:14] <lazypower> thank you, sorry about that
[15:14] <lazypower> sure
[15:14] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rick?authuser=1
[15:14] <rick_h_> adjust authuser/etc


[08:38] <TJ-> Has anyone investigated adding the VDO kernel modules (kvdo and uds) to support device-mapper's LVM VDO implementation?
[11:27]  * enyc meows
[11:27] <enyc> hrrm a 5.4 LTS kernel update released today apparently =)
[15:27]  * enyc meows