[06:36] <brokenthorn> Does anyone know what is the name of the Qt3 theme used on the kdenlive screenshots?
[06:37] <spiroo> How do I figure out the UID of my unmounted partition?
[06:38] <brokenthorn> spiroo: uuidgen might be what you are looking for...
[06:38] <nn_> does anyone know of a cdrom emulator like daemon tools? i can download directly from the adept manager?
[06:38] <bendice> @spiroo de_info device
[06:38] <bendice> sorry, ide_info <device>
[06:39] <spiroo> nn_: That is what I wanna know too :)
[06:39] <brokenthorn> nn_: you need more than mounting iso images?
[06:39] <genii> Doesn't anyone just loopmount iso files anymore?
[06:39] <Lynoure>   yes...
[06:39] <brokenthorn> yes
[06:40] <Lynoure> some people do.
[06:40] <kalorin`> has anyone noticed a deal where if you enable the AMD cool and quiet stuff in the bios, then the system seems to run at a pretty constant 0.20 load and get sluggish when you flip from one app to another or open a new app?
[06:40] <llutz> spiroo: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[06:40] <nn_> well, i am new to linux , but if there is an alternative, please let me know
[06:40] <kalorin`> almost like it can't ramp up the chip speed fast enough so it just seems laggy
[06:40] <spiroo> llutz? w00t?
[06:41] <brokenthorn> nn_: sudo modprobe loop; sudo mount -o loop,ro -t auto /path/to/iso/file /path/to/mount/point
[06:41] <spiroo> you mean ls -l /dev/sda10/by-uuid/ ?
[06:41] <llutz> spiroo: no, i wrote what i meant
[06:41] <spiroo> do I get UUI then from that?
[06:42] <brokenthorn> nn_: there was somthing similar to daemon tools for linux but I didn't use it and I looked it up a long time ago
[06:42] <llutz> spiroo: try and see
[06:42] <nn_> thank you!
[06:43] <edulix> hi!
[06:43] <savetheWorld> Hi all - does anyone know how to get an lm_sensors cpu temperature readout on Kubuntu?
[06:43] <brokenthorn> nn_: It was something to do with mouting cue/bin files under linux and converting bin files to iso files and then loop mounting them like I wrote before
[06:43] <spiroo> llutz, thank you. Do I then just use that to type in fstab? Or is it not any config GUI?
[06:43] <edulix> how can I make the power manager to use s2ram to suspend to ram instead of using what it uses by default?
[06:43] <brokenthorn> nn_: perhaps do a google search on "linux, cue, bin, iso, convert, mount" :P
[06:43] <llutz> spiroo: just use an editor of your choice (in root-mode)
[06:43] <edulix> (default = acpi-support package)
[06:43] <spiroo> llutz, nano is my favorutie :P
[06:43] <spiroo> *favourite
[06:44] <kalorin`> vim >>
[06:44] <kalorin`> (gotta have an editor war)
[06:44] <kalorin`> :)
[06:44] <brokenthorn> edulix: just a note: first enable S2RAM (S2) in the BIOS as the default standby mode
[06:44] <spiroo> llutz: BTW do I need to edit /etc/mtab also
[06:44] <llutz> spiroo: never
[06:44] <savetheWorld> spiroo I'm curious about nano - is there nay good summarry of its feature set any where? or a good cheatsheet?
[06:44] <savetheWorld> s/nay/any/ :-)
[06:45] <edulix> brokenthorn: well, is that needed? the s2ram command works already
[06:45] <brokenthorn> nano needs no cheatsheet :D
[06:45] <edulix> brokenthorn: so I can suspend via command line, but not via power manager (because it uses other way to suspend)
[06:45] <brokenthorn> edulix: I believe it is. you can't fool with the BIOS can you? :P
[06:46] <savetheWorld> brokenthorn: you miss the point I dont want to use nano, I jus twant to read about what it can do
[06:46] <edulix> brokenthorn: I can touch the bios, but I don't really understand what efect it will have
[06:46] <brokenthorn> nn_: Try installing cuetool ;)
[06:46] <brokenthorn> nn_: *cuetools
[06:46] <micha_> hiho
[06:46] <spiroo> nano is just nano ;P
[06:47] <martijn81> where should i put the option for ram for my video card in xorg.conf?
[06:47] <edulix> brokenthorn: by the way, suspending from within the powermanager worked some weeks ago, but somehow it stopped working. now I've installed uswsusp package and run s2ram...and it worked!
[06:47] <brokenthorn> savetheWorld: just laughed for myself, nothing else :)
[06:47] <martijn81> and how do i know how much ram it has?
[06:47] <savetheWorld> %ed For people who want to become advanced users, using traditional editors, vi or emacs, will teach you things useful in the shell, awk, sed, perl, and other shell tools that speed your way up the learning curve. You may want to avoid other editors.
[06:47] <edulix> brokenthorn: so what do you recommend me to do? in the workst case scenario, I can just suspend from within the cmd, but it's not that cool :P
[06:48] <brokenthorn> edulix: either way it's a matter of powernowd's or what your're using configuration file
[06:48] <brokenthorn> edulix: I just pointed out you might need to enable S2 in the BIOS, I haven't actually done any suspend modes :D
[06:49] <edulix> brokenthorn: ok I'll try that
[06:50] <fkm> Hmmm..., Is there a problem with the ubuntu.beryl-project.org server? Or is the problem (I can't connect anymore) on my end?
[06:50] <fkm> oops
[06:50] <fkm> sorry, wrong channel
[06:52] <martijn81> howto get xorg.conf aware of all my ram in my videocard?
[06:53] <spiroo> Do I have to change anything else in fstab or is it just reboot?
[06:56] <spiroo> ?
[06:57] <llutz> spiroo: reboot why?
[06:58] <spiroo> to get it mounted and added everywhere
[06:58] <spiroo> I cuold mount myself but path does not exist
[06:58] <spiroo> I need to reboot anyway, cya
[07:00] <drewcipher_> spiroo:   sudo mount -a
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> hey guys...
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> how do i get the task manager up in kubuntu??
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> (i need to kill an app)
[07:02] <llutz> ctrl-esc
[07:02] <seanpcrowe> thx llutz =)
[07:07] <spiroo> Hello again. I mounted but the disk does not appear in storage media
[07:08] <nn_> why cant i change my display to a higher resolution?
[07:12] <bryce_> Hiya folks... quick question... Just noticed an icon pop up on my toolbar... what is KDE Wallet and why is it Open?
[07:12] <AhDiCt3D> oh
[07:13] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, thats your password manager for kde
[07:13] <bryce_> Ok... thanks a lot ahdict3d!
[07:13] <drewcipher_> spiroo:  did you see my message regarding:  sudo mount -a    (to load fstab changes vs. rebooting?)
[07:14] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, No problem ill help u as much as i can and if you wanna listen to a helpful podcast try linuxreality.com they might be able to give u a few hints tips and if u need anything lemme know :)
[07:15] <bryce_> Awesome, checking out that right now :D  I'll be back :)
[07:16] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, ok ill be here prolly all day :P
[07:16] <_claire> I've just got a Radeon 9800. Which is the best driver to use? The official one from ati.com, the "FGLRX" driver, or another?
[07:16] <bryce_> lol Yeh, me too!  Called in sick this morning ;) Was up late playing with my new OS :D  Luckily enough, my brother owns the business LOL
[07:18] <bryce_> Can I get a response from a few:  What is your prefered choice for email POP3... example: Thundarbird, Kmail, etc....
[07:19] <trekdanne> bryce_: gmail :P
[07:19] <bryce_> I use gmail as well... but I want to use a desktop client for my email services... just not sure which one to use lol
[07:19] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, Well i like Kmail because it looks better in KDE but thunderbird 2 i like so much more in windows although if they can port the gui over to linux so it doesnt look horrible i prefer it over kmail but ihavent tested enigmail in linux.
[07:19] <bryce_> linux has so many of them lol
[07:20] <trekdanne> bryce_: seriosuly tho i used mutt before gmail come into existance
[07:20] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, but i havent tried thunderbird 2 in linux.
[07:20] <trekdanne> never used kmail but people say it's good
[07:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> thunderbird looks a bit better in gnome, but you'll never see a QT version of thunderbird, sorry.
[07:21] <bryce_> Hmmm... maybe I'll try them all LOL I've got my own website, so I'll create a couple email addresses and use them and see which I like best ;)
[07:21] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, what website? what do you do?
[07:21] <bryce_> trekdanne, never heard of mutt, what's that?
[07:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> for kde integration, you can't really beat kmail.  and then there's pine
[07:22] <genii> hah, pine
[07:22] <bryce_> It's down at the moment, but I do web design for a sideline money maker :)  wisebryce.com but now that I'm on linux, things are going to slow down until I can learn what programs I can use on here and now I have to learn a whole new image program lol
[07:22] <llutz> pine still exists? odd
[07:22] <bryce_> Well maybe I'll try Kmail first then :D
[07:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> bryce_: there's always photoshop under wine, and the gimp, and krita's making strides now
[07:22] <bryce_> wisebryce.com is down at the moment, I was doing updates until I crashed my windows OS yesterday and then installed this lol
[07:23] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, PS under wine is horrible to get setup CS2&3 Dont work under wine ive tried it.
[07:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> ouch, i wasn't aware cs 2 and 3 didn't work at all
[07:23] <bryce_> awwww!!  I've got ps c3 too :(
[07:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> looks like the gimp or krita
[07:23] <bryce_> shitty thing is, I JUST bought it... no, I didn't rip it, I actually bought it LOL
[07:23] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Laptop, Ive tried them all i cant get them to run under wine they run under VirtualBox tho!
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> not bad
[07:24] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, it may work if you install via windows and port it over to linux and run via wine
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i need desperately to find my XP cd...
[07:24] <bryce_> what the heck is wine and virtualbox?
[07:24] <jhutchins> bryce_: ImageMagick
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> !wine
[07:24] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> !virtualbox
[07:24] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[07:24] <bryce_> Cool, thanks Daisuke!
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> np
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> wine is getting better all the time
[07:24] <bryce_> what about ImageMagick, you saying try that one?
[07:24] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, yeah it runs WoW :)
[07:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> but it still has a way to go
[07:25] <bryce_> lol I hate that game :P My brother plays that day in and day out.
[07:25] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, What dev enviroment do you use in windows?
[07:25] <jhutchins> bryce_: You'll be amazed by it.  It's a suite of command-line image manipulation/creation tools.
[07:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you're a masochist, there's always vi
[07:25] <bryce_> cool, thanks jhut, will look into it!
[07:25] <bryce_> what do you mean ahdict3d?
[07:26] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Laptop: I end up using ImageMagick just about every time I do graphics for a web page.
[07:26] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, You do web design right? btw you do know about tab auto completion in konsole/konversation right?
[07:26] <jhutchins> vi is not that hard once you get the hang of it.
[07:27] <bryce_> Yes, amateur tho... I've been doing it since I was younger, as a hobby, until last year the radio station wanted me to build them a site, I did, and then business started flowing my way :)
[07:27] <bryce_> No I don't ahdict3d.... do tell
[07:28] <genii> jhutchins: Yes, ImageMagick rocks
[07:28] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, well type ah or Ah then hit tab in konversation im not sure if names are case sensitive for auto complete.
[07:28] <seanpcrowe> hey all... how do i set VLC to be the default player for media files??
[07:28] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: that's cool, thanks :D
[07:29] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, i have your name on paste hehe
[07:29] <bryce_> lol I'm copying and pasting too much from the conversations to be able to keep your name handy LOL
[07:29] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: Although I do love the Ah tab deal... thanks for telling me!
[07:30] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, hehe thats what auto-complete is for if i was on linux i wouldnt have to copy paste you name :P, What IDE/Development enviorment do you use in windows for your dev?
[07:30] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, psh no prob took me about a month or two to figure that out :
[07:30] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, maybe closer to a year haha
[07:31] <blackflag> HEllo all :)
[07:31] <bryce_> I opened "Adept Manager" and searched "ImageMagick", which one am I suppose to download?  There's tons of them there, should I grab the one that says just "imagemagick"... are the others plugins or something?
[07:32] <blackflag> How can I find out which programs are "eating" my RAM ?
[07:32] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: one sec, trying to figure something out lol
[07:32] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, I personally prefer Synaptic package manager btw.imagemagick the name of it is the tool all the rest should be plugins or things that use it
[07:33] <AhDiCt3D> look for the package name "imagemagick"
[07:34] <blackflag> I have a server with 4GB Ram in it. When I use free then I see that 3,5 GB are used but now at tis time no one is working on that machine
[07:35] <blackflag> So how can I the programms that are using the RAM?
[07:35] <AhDiCt3D> Blackflag, usually linux uses all ram all the time until a prog needs it then it leases it to that program
[07:35] <blackflag> okay
[07:36] <blackflag> how can I see which programms are filling the RAM
[07:36] <AhDiCt3D> Blackflag i speak from personal exp. i learned that recently.
[07:36] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag ctrl+alt escape but lemme check dont use till i check
[07:36] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: sorry about that... was on the phone and trying to download ImageMagick and started playing with it right away lol  I use two... mainly MSV and NetBeans.
[07:37] <bryce_> AhDiCt3D: ah brb, doorbell
[07:37] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag its either ctrl+escape or ctrl+alt+escape i think its ctrl escape but if u see a skull hit it again and use other combo
[07:37] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag, i forget the konsole app but u should be able to see from that
[07:38] <blackflag> hmm, I have only ssh connection to that machine locallly is ctrl + alt+esc
[07:39] <blackflag> cool! :)
[07:39] <blackflag> but how can I do that remote with console?
[07:39] <AhDiCt3D> blackflag you can login its in file or sumtin to your server with that app
[07:41] <jhutchins> blackflag: ps ax
[07:41] <jhutchins> blackflag: top
[07:41] <jhutchins> blackflag: free
[07:47] <bryce_> Ok... I installed ImageMagick and all it's components, ALL lol... But now ImageMagick has disappeared... Where the heck can I find it?
[07:48] (root/#kubuntu) [alt] -wick-1577
[07:48] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_,  isnt it a konsole app? lolz
[07:49] <bryce_> That's weird... it was uninstalled but I didn't do it... had to reinstall it again... let's see what happens :-S
[07:50] <bryce_> OK... how the heck do I open ImageMagick?
[07:51] <bryce_> and all this <root> scrolling is irritating me!
[07:51] <llutz> bryce_: imagemagick is a collection of tools, not "one app"
[07:51] <bryce_> Oh!  Well then what the hell did I download a second ago LOL
[07:52] <bryce_> it was a app... and then it disappeared... maybe wrong thing :-S
[07:52] <llutz> bryce_: convert, montage, display ...
[07:52] <bryce_> So how do I use imagemagick?
[07:52] <llutz> bryce_: http://imagemagick.org/script/index.php
[07:53] <bryce_> Ahh, thank you kind person :D
[07:53] <BluesKaj> imagemagick is used in conjunction with video transcoding and editing/burning apps like devede and tovid
[07:54] <bryce_> Cool... thanks!
[07:54] <bryce_> BRB... I've gotta test this out now ;)  and of course read that useful link, thanks llutz!
[07:54] <genii> I like that imagemagick can convert raw g3 fax files into pdf :) I use that to convert em before they get emailed out from our fax server at the office
[07:55] <llutz> bryce_: it will take some time to get used to it. but it is awsome once you learned to use
[07:56] <bryce_> I hope so, because I just blew off being able to use my beloved Photoshop CS3 for Linux lol
[07:56] <BluesKaj> cool, genii ..see , with linux, you learn something new everyday :)
[07:56] <llutz> bryce_: cs is something completely different i guess
[07:56] <genii> gimp might be something you could try
[07:57] <Karti> Hi all, really quick one does anyone think that I could put the 32bit edition on a 64bit AMD PC? I previously tried and failed with the 32bit disk, but didn't know if there was a setting that I could select on boot? All ideas are welcome
[07:57] <bryce_> Going to try them all ;) Have to find something that will make up for the loss lol
[07:57] <bryce_> llutz, you never used Photoshop or you mean the CS3 version?
[07:57] <llutz> bryce_: i never used photoshop/cs
[07:57] <rc-1> oh no i lost my lower pannel how do i get it back
[07:58] <Assid> hrmm photoshop cs working through wine now ?
[07:58] <BluesKaj> Karti, I'm running x86 32bit kubuntu on an AMD 64 Athlon Venice 3200+ CPU ...works great
[07:58] <bryce_> It's awesome!  A windows program tho :(  I wish I could use it here because I purchased the full program CS3 and it rocks!  Never been easier to deal with graphics than when CS3!
[07:59] <llutz> use win then :)
[07:59] <bryce_> CS3 is simply the new name for Photoshop, rather than being Photoshop 11..12...13...etc, they converged it all together.
[07:59] <wilman> when i play music via firefox, like youtube. i can't play music with amarok. what to do?
[07:59] <Karti> BluesKaj: when you installed did you select any special settings? MY disk alsways kept frezzing
[07:59] <bryce_> I hate windows lol
[07:59] <BluesKaj> Karti, which disc are you trying ?
[07:59] <llutz> bryce_: i hate working, but i have to :)
[07:59] <bryce_> Assid: there was a conversation about wine earlier, someone was saying virtualbox is the way to go lol
[08:00] <Karti> its the normal 32bit one x86 I believe
[08:00] <bryce_> llutz: don't we all
[08:00] <BluesKaj> no special settings at all Karti
[08:00] <bryce_> llutz: I called in sick so I could play with my new OS today LOL
[08:00] <Karti> would have to look at my wifes downstairs as that is where the details are
[08:00] <llutz> bryce_: an OS/app is not a question of love or hate
[08:00] <Karti> WOuld you recommend the alternative install disk?
[08:01] <Assid> bryce_: virtualbox would be something like vmware.. NOT  running the app on linux
[08:01] <BluesKaj> dunno Karti , have no experience with it so I can't say :(
[08:01] <bryce_> No clue Assid, I just know that was part of the conversation earlier lol
[08:01] <bryce_> I just installed Kmail but it's not showing up in Kmenu, any ideas?
[08:01] <Karti> Its a pity as the 32 bit is ace, I have just had issues with Konqueror and stuff........I may try it again
[08:02] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, that happens to me go run kmail
[08:02] <llutz> bryce_: use kontact
[08:02] <llutz> or use alt-f2: kmail
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> bryce_: kontact includes kmail, plus calendars etc
[08:02] <Karti> just my motherboard died and the only other one I had was 64bit
[08:02] <BluesKaj> type kmail in the terminal , see if it shows up
[08:02] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, you can edit your menu to include it but i have it run in taskbar
[08:02] <bryce_> arg... so I should install kontact instead of kmail? LOL
[08:02] <AhDiCt3D> bryce_, no. lolz
[08:02] <llutz> nobody knows why they hide kmail behind kontact in kubuntu :(
[08:03] <bryce_> so should I install kontact too or no, cos I deleted it earlier lol
[08:03] <BluesKaj> Karti, shouldn't matter ...but you may have issues with graphics and Xorg
[08:03] <Assid> bryce_: if you intend to use kmail.. you may wanna retain kontact
[08:03] <KondeDrakul> where i get fluxbox?
[08:03] <Dou1> how do i check to see which event my mouse is connected to?
[08:03] <bryce_> K, installing again :)
[08:04] <rc-1> oh no i lost my lower pannel how do i get it back
[08:04] <rc-1> i ran kicker from f2
[08:04] <rc-1> but still nothing
[08:04] <llutz> bryce_:  alt-f2: kmail
[08:05] <Karti> BluesKaj: MAny thanks, I'll give it another go
[08:05] <bryce_> llutz: oooooooooohhhhhhhhh thank you thank you thank you lol
[08:06] <llutz> bryce_: you can add it to the k-menue using kmenuedit
[08:06] <bryce_> how do I find kmenuedit?
[08:06] <llutz> bryce_:  alt-f2: kmenuedit :)
[08:07] <bryce_> lol thanks
[08:07] <BluesKaj> rightclick on the k-menu icon
[08:07] <Dou1> how do i apply the ALPS kernel patch?
[08:08] <Bauldrick> why does my cursor disappear when I switch user?
[08:08] <bryce_> llutz: awesome, thanks, that did it :)
[08:08] <bryce_> OK... I need to give my small brain a break guys... I'll be back in like 30 seconds LOl
[08:08] <bryce_> more like 30 mins in reality :P
[08:09] <AhDiCt3D> lolz kk
[08:09] <BluesKaj> lotta lols there ...must be a happy guy :)
[08:09] <bryce_> Totally a HAPPY go-getter ;)
[08:09] <AhDiCt3D> :|
[08:09] <bryce_> shhh... I'm on my break lol
[08:10] <AhDiCt3D> iz not "lawling"
[08:10] <bryce_> ;) BRB
[08:10] <rc-1> guys how do i get kicker back :(
[08:11] <rc-1> alt f2 kicker does nothing
[08:14] <Schuenemann> I can't start X
[08:14] <Schuenemann> I have changed my videocard
[08:15] <Schuenemann> hmm is someone actually reading this? :p never used bitchx before
[08:16] <BluesKaj> yeah , we see your text Schuenemann
[08:16] <Schuenemann> good... I think
[08:16] <BluesKaj> irssi works well too
[08:16] <zecke1989> wie heist den der deutsche kanal
[08:16] <Schuenemann> I can only start it with 8-bit depth color
[08:16] <BluesKaj> !de | zecke1989
[08:16] <ubotu> zecke1989: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:16] <zecke1989> danke
[08:20] <rc-1> guys i rebooted and kicker is still gone :(
[08:20] <rc-1> i have no pannels (the one with clock and apps
[08:21] <rc-1> please help
[08:22] <AhDiCt3D> rc-1 qunu.com try that lol
[08:22] <BluesKaj> rc-1, hold the mousekey down and drg the page to see if the panel is hidden
[08:23] <rc-1> nope
[08:23] <rc-1> (i have a unhide pannel button too, which isnt there)
[08:24] <rc-1> ktorrent crashed right before it disappeared too btw if thats any help
[08:24] <pag> rc-1, tried " dcop kicker default restart " already?
[08:24] <intelikey> !sound
[08:24] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:25] <rc-1> pag ah thanks! in the past just kicker worked
[08:26] <pag> rc-1, usually just "kicker" doesn't work, since process is still somewhere in the background and system thinks that it's already running
[08:28] <rc-1> i see
[08:38] <venik> I lost the icon for my USB hard drive!
[08:39] <intelikey> unplug / replug it ?
[08:39] <venik> I tried that-- no good
[08:39] <intelikey> or do you mena you configured the desktop to not display it ?
[08:40] <intelikey> or did you install beryl or something   and not using kde anymore ?
[08:40] <venik> None of the above
[08:41] <venik> every time I plugged in my usb flash drive, the USB hard drive menu showed up,
[08:41] <venik> but now it is gone
[08:42] <venik> in fact, now my flash drive does not show up either
[08:42] <venik> I have none of these issues with XP on the same machine
[08:43] <venik> so I know the hardware is OK
[08:44] <intelikey> seeing that i don't know any way to hot swap a ps2 mouse the was a reboot
[08:44] <intelikey> the that
[08:45] <venik> I tried rebooting-- no good
[08:45] <Berzerker> anyone here?
[08:45] <intelikey> no that shouldn't help your situation.    was there an update just prior to the condition ?
[08:46] <Berzerker> I'm having trouble with my wireless
[08:46] <Berzerker> I got it to work, but after I reboot, it doesn't work
[08:46] <intelikey> !wifi | Berzerker been here ?
[08:46] <ubotu> Berzerker been here ?: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:48] <venik> rebooting revived the flash USB drive, but not the usb hard drive
[08:51] <intelikey> venik    sudo fdisk -l
[08:51] <intelikey> is the usb drive listed ?
[08:52] <venik> it is
[08:52] <venik> sdd
[08:52] <intelikey> hmmm this computer requires mor ram to run than the one i'm used too..
[08:53] <bryce_> OK... that was way longer than 15 minutes but I'm back :)
[08:53] <intelikey> venik ok is it listed in     cat /etc/fstab
[08:53] <intelikey> bryce_ welcome back.
[08:53] <bryce_> intelikey: Thanks :)
[08:54] <venik> it is listed this way: /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE auto nouser,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[08:55] <intelikey> you ran some kind of file system setup/config tool ?
[08:55] <venik> no
[08:55] <intelikey> i mean eariler
[08:55] <venik> I did try to use the SystemSettings tool of KDE
[08:56] <venik> but it was too kryptic
[08:56] <venik> at least for a newbie like me
[08:57] <venik> I hope I don't have to re-install Kubuntu just because of this.
[08:59] <jhutchins> venik: No, you won't.
[08:59] <intelikey> k.   well two things in general.   the fstab(file system table) file is a system configuration file that tells the system how to mount things, and usb addresses change.  so anything configured in fstab should either have a static device node or be using the blkid(block id)    secondly some of those options i would not want on a non-system fs  suid and dev  for example.
[08:59] <jhutchins> venik: You could probably just remove the line from your fstab and let it autoconfigure again.
[09:00] <jhutchins> venik: You probably want user, as opposed to nouser.
[09:00] <venik> that sounds good-- let me try that
[09:00] <intelikey> simple solution comment out the line in /etc/fstab and issue sudo umount /devsdd1    unplug/replug the drive
[09:01] <bryce_> Can I borrow some assistance from someone to help me setup Kmail real quickly?
[09:01] <intelikey> jhutchins i think that still assumes to much on usb connections
[09:01] <intelikey> bryce_ just ask
[09:02] <bryce_> intelikey: I'm trying to setup the send and receive, my question is "HOST" is that where I put, pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com?
[09:03] <BluesKaj> bryce_, uhmm why are you using kmail to acces gmail ?
[09:03] <bryce_> pop3 :)
[09:03] <intelikey> BluesKaj why not ?    what would you use ?
[09:03] <bryce_> i set up all my accounts in pop3... my own domain addresses, gmail...
[09:03] <BluesKaj> what email provider do you use in windows?
[09:03] <bryce_> Thundarbird
[09:04] <intelikey> :)
[09:04] <BluesKaj> then whynot use it i kubuntu
[09:04] <BluesKaj> in
[09:04] <bryce_> Because I wanted to try this one :P lol See if it were better
[09:04] <intelikey> email provider =  Thundarbird ???  :)
[09:04] <BluesKaj> also i mean provider not client
[09:04] <intelikey> yeah...
[09:04] <bryce_> oh lol
[09:05] <venik> thanks, folks.  Changing the NOUSER to USER fixed the problem on my USB hard drive. All is well
[09:05] <BluesKaj> I use sympatico here in ontario..what do you use ..telus /
[09:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[09:05] <bryce_> Yes, telus, sorry.
[09:05] <NickPresta> Rogers here in Ontario :)
[09:05] <intelikey> venik k   but keep in mind what i said about the blkid -vs- device node
[09:06] <bryce_> I figured it out anyways ;)
[09:06] <venik> it sounds like Chinese to me....
[09:06] <bryce_> Host is where I stick the smtp and pop addresses
[09:06] <venik> I saw something like that in the System Settings, though
[09:06] <intelikey> venik :)     no it's geek
[09:06] <BluesKaj> ok, that's the provider , so whynot setup the telus account instead , gmail is webmail
[09:07] <jhutchins> bryce_: Pay attention to the tabs at the top that define the sending and receiving hosts.
[09:07] <venik> shoulds I change the line in the /etc/fstab?
[09:07] <bryce_> because I like gmail... I've always used that account address, I hate using the browser to check my mail.
[09:07] <llutz> BluesKaj: gmail offers pop3 too
[09:07] <bryce_> Thanks jhut!
[09:07] <venik> it reads now: /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE auto user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[09:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, if ya want too, that's yer choice , bryce_ :)
[09:08] <venik> why does auto appear twice?
[09:08] <BluesKaj> to
[09:08] <bryce_> As they say.... "Gmail's da bomb!" lol
[09:08] <KondeDrakul> anyone install ATI drivers with automatix ?
[09:08] <intelikey> venik if it stops working   yes.     simple test; unplug the drive plug anything usb in and replug the drive in another plug   if it still works, i'll eat my hat.
[09:08] <BluesKaj> I use gmail for text filing
[09:08] <bryce_> See, using POP3, I can setup all my emails, then I don't have to run around from site to site to check my emails... I can do it all at once into one inbox folder and don't have to fool around :)
[09:09] <intelikey> first is fstype  second is auto mount
[09:09] <venik> so how do I make it robust so it will work in any usb port?
[09:09] <llutz> "auto" for automount is obsolete
[09:10] <intelikey> venik issue   sudo blkid    and find the block id string for that fs   and then put that string where /dev/sdd1 is now
[09:10] <BluesKaj> !automatix | KondeDrakul
[09:10] <ubotu> KondeDrakul: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[09:10] <intelikey> llutz not obsolete, just default.
[09:10] <intelikey> llutz the opposite  noauto  still keeps it from mounting at boot
[09:10] <jhutchins> llutz: auto means mount at boot.
[09:11] <llutz> jhutchins: any entry without "noauto" will be mounted at boot
[09:12] <intelikey> llutz ubt suppose you don't want any options   what do you put ?    auto   maybe ?
[09:12] <intelikey> but
[09:12] <llutz> intelikey: defaults
[09:12] <venik> is the blkid something that looks like: 4672-F93E
[09:12] <intelikey> same thing
[09:12] <intelikey> venik yes
[09:13] <intelikey> venik this is an example.   UUID="39a3645c-d681-4e63-8131-59198ea7fdf7"
[09:13] <venik> will that replacement allow me to plug this usb hard drive in any usb port?
[09:13] <intelikey> you put that where  /dev/sdd1 is       yes using the  UUID=
[09:13] <venik> ok, thank.  Let me try that
[09:14] <gene> Hey folks, got a ups question, apc-350-ES, show in an lsusb but apctest can't find it, any ideas?
[09:14] <venik> ERROR: Communication problem with kio_uiserver, it probably crashed.
[09:15] <gene> the DEVICE is blank, as shown on the manpage, which should make it autodetect
[09:15] <venik> do I have to say UUID before that weird string?
[09:15] <intelikey> yes
[09:15] <venik> in the fstab file?
[09:15] <intelikey> yes
[09:15] <venik> ok
[09:16] <intelikey> venik this is an example.   UUID="39a3645c-d681-4e63-8131-59198ea7fdf7"
[09:16] <venik> ok
[09:16] <venik> geek can be fun
[09:16] <intelikey> :)
[09:16] <martijn81> anyone with an linksys wrt45g here?
[09:17] <intelikey> gene if no responce here you can ask in #ubuntu   might get lucky...     but if you mention kde/kubuntu they will just point you at us.
[09:18] <intelikey> gene next stop on the list would be   ##linux  or  ##linuxhelp   both are 'unofficial' linux support channels
[09:19] <mike4> Hello
[09:19] <intelikey> meaning general chatter, lax rules and open discussions, but with some pretty knowledgable folks lurking around.
[09:20] <intelikey> and some GPA's too
[09:22] <intelikey> gene and a repost of your Q after someone like me burries it,   never hurt.    just don't repete very many times or the opps get touchy.
[09:23] <voidmage> ugh.
[09:23] <voidmage> my computer won't boot.
[09:23] <voidmage> the hard drive light just flashes slowly
[09:23] <intelikey> ugh
[09:23] <voidmage> i think it's having a kernel panic on boot
[09:23] <intelikey> voidmage how far does it get ?
[09:23] <voidmage> nothing on screen but a cursor
[09:23] <voidmage> well
[09:23] <voidmage> text cursor
[09:23] <drewcipher_> voidmage: any 'clicking?'
[09:23] <intelikey> before or after grub ?
[09:24] <voidmage> after grub
[09:24] <voidmage> clicking?
[09:24] <voidmage> i don't hear any
[09:24] <voidmage> just the cursor blinking and the hard drive light flashing slowly
[09:24] <intelikey> drewcipher_ covered that with the grub Q
[09:24] <voidmage> it might need to cool down
[09:25] <voidmage> apparently it was on the entire bus ride back here
[09:26] <intelikey> voidmage you can change the splash to nosplash   and the silent to vga=normal    and should see what is hanging it.
[09:26] <voidmage> hmm
[09:26] <intelikey> in grub that is
[09:26] <intelikey> voidmage you know how to edit boot options in grub ?
[09:27] <voidmage> yeah
[09:27] <intelikey> k
[09:28] <voidmage> nothing
[09:28] <voidmage> same thing happens
[09:28] <intelikey> doesn't say booting the kernel    loading the initrd    or anything ?
[09:28] <voidmage> nope
[09:28] <root> f
[09:28] <voidmage> nothing
[09:29] <voidmage> i tried booting into recovery mode
[09:29] <voidmage> but same thing there
[09:29] <voidmage> there's no quiet setting on that one either
[09:29] <intelikey> then it sounds like a grub problem    trying to load the kernel and not finding it.  then not being able to chainload back to grub
[09:29] <joseph1110216> why is my volume low on my guast compared to my host...im running a virtual machine
[09:29] <voidmage> hmm
[09:29] <voidmage> trying to remember how to fix grub
[09:29] <voidmage> !grub
[09:29] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:29] <intelikey> !grub
[09:29] <intelikey> yeah
[09:34] <intelikey> it's just too limited.
[09:34] <venik> how do I remove (delete, erase) directories (or mount points)?
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> rm
[09:35] <AhDiCt3D> venik rmdir
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> rm -r or rmdir
[09:35] <trekdanne> venik: be careful tho
[09:35] <trekdanne> venik: especially with rm -r
[09:35] <venik> what can happen?
[09:35] <intelikey> anything mounted gets eraced too
[09:36] <trekdanne> venik: "rm -rf /" delete everything
[09:36] <venik> ok
[09:36] <intelikey> s
[09:36] <intelikey> trekdanne almost as bad as cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda     :)
[09:37] <intelikey> almost   i say.
[09:37] <voidmage> that didn't fix it
[09:37] <trekdanne> intelikey: touche
[09:38] <voidmage> system still won't boot
[09:38] <AhDiCt3D> voidimage try to reset your xorg?
[09:38] <intelikey> AhDiCt3D it's not loading his kernel
[09:38] <AhDiCt3D> intelikey, oh kk
[09:38] <voidmage> i also am having trouble working with the drives on the livecd
[09:39] <voidmage> apparently it's setup in LVM
[09:39] <intelikey> voidmage scsi emulation ?   try /dev/sd?#
[09:39] <voidmage> i tried that and it gave an error
[09:40] <intelikey> heh and try is not a command...  :)
[09:40] <voidmage> as soon as the thing comes back up
[09:40] <intelikey> please define "thing"
[09:40] <voidmage> livecd
[09:42] <intelikey> voidmage you are aware of    /proc/partitions    and     sudo fdisk -l        for accessing information from the system
[09:43] <intelikey> to a beginner that is geek to an old hand at linux it's a foolish Q    but i don't know where you stand in the penguin assembly
[09:43] <voidmage> mount: unknown filesystem type "LVM2_member"
[09:43] <jhutchins> lvm is evil
[09:43] <voidmage> i know
[09:43] <voidmage> didn't set it up that way
[09:44] <voidmage> and i have no idea why it was that way either
[09:44] <intelikey> see also    e2fstune    for fs info
[09:45] <AhDiCt3D> !lvm
[09:45] <intelikey> can save the day in some cases
[09:45] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:45] <intelikey> err  tune2fs    sorry
[09:46] <intelikey> my thinker and my typer are not not connected.
[09:46] <intelikey> not not ....    ?   see
[09:49] <voidmage> I have no idea what i'm doing with my lvm here
[09:53] <spiroo> hello, could someone explain why qtparted cannot manipulate ext3 partitions? :S wtf
[09:54] <spiroo> I can delete NTFS and ext2 but not ext3
[09:54] <spiroo> I know there is GParted, but I wanna know
[09:55] <jhutchins> spiroo: Yeah, everybody's been keeping that secret.
[09:56] <spiroo> what do you mean?
[09:57] <spiroo> I do not wanna use GParted in KDE, or I would really use it in KDE, but is to damn slow :P
[09:58] <voidmage> now i get error 15: file not found
[09:58] <jhutchins> spiroo: Is the ext3 partition you're trying to work with mounted by any chance?
[09:58] <spiroo> no I have unmounted it to 100%
[09:58] <killermach> ok.. I added some smbfs mounts to fstab and I have them mounting to /media .     the problem is each mount is getting an icon on the desktop.. how do I prevent the icons from /media mounts being created on the desktop
[09:59] <spiroo> I just wanna delete and resize, but I cannot. One more thing i cannot move any partition either. In any application
[10:00] <llutz> why should one want to move partitions?
[10:00] <jhutchins> spiroo: are you running from a different drive then?
[10:00] <llutz> spiroo: if you need to resize partitions, use lvm
[10:00] <spiroo> no I am not.
[10:00] <jhutchins> llutz: lvm is evil.
[10:00] <llutz> blah blah
[10:00] <voidmage> i know
[10:00] <killermach> spiroo, are you trying to delete all the partitions from a drive?
[10:00] <voidmage> i HATE lvm
[10:00] <jhutchins> spiroo: Then something's mounted.   I am sorry, for language, but I am sick of it.
[10:01] <jhutchins> spiroo: Boot from the live CD.
[10:01] <intelikey> killermach right click configure the desktop    show device icons tab   uncheck what you don't want
[10:01] <jhutchins> spiroo: back up any data you want to keep.
[10:01] <spiroo> Why, would LiveCD do it?
[10:01] <spiroo> because no is mounted?
[10:01] <jhutchins> spiroo: because you can't boot from the drive you want to change.
[10:01] <voidmage> is there any way to remove lvm?
[10:02] <spiroo> uhm, I have done that before? :S
[10:02] <spiroo> I mean I have been working with a disk which is booted
[10:02] <killermach> intelikey, thanks
[10:02] <spiroo> Or I mean I have another partitions except where linux is installed
[10:02] <intelikey> jhutchins errumm you can edit the partition table of the root fs drive
[10:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: Well, then, there should be no problem.
[10:03] <spiroo> The thing is that qtparted sucks, in my opinion. Should it be so hard to manipulate partitions in linux?
[10:03] <killermach> spiroo, if you want the the partition table of a drive empty fast, you can use dd to write /dev/zero to the first 512 count on the drive
[10:03] <intelikey> well heh  partitions tables are the problem   imo.
[10:04] <intelikey> i don't have any
[10:04] <spiroo> I dont wanna empty a whole iptable. I wanna move around partitions in it
[10:04] <spiroo> One another annoying thing. I only can have 4 partitions so I also use an extended partition. LOL :D
[10:04] <jhutchins> spiroo: I suggest you try booting from a cd or different drive and doing it.
[10:05] <spiroo> hmm I guess so. But it should work without complicate it like that
[10:05] <intelikey> spiroo you can only have 4 primary   you can have one of the primary be an extended and then have several logical's within it.
[10:05] <spiroo> I know, check my previous posts intelikey :P
[10:06] <killermach> intelikey, didn't work, I did configure desktop -> behavior-> device icons tab, uncheck Mounted Samba Share, icons are still there
[10:06] <killermach> I did right-click Refresh Desktop
[10:06] <jhutchins> intelikey: Doesn't linux handle more than four primaries?
[10:06] <llutz> jhutchins: thats not os.dependend
[10:06] <intelikey> jhutchins i think linux can but i don't think *parted can
[10:07] <spiroo> w00t, like llutz, said it is not OS dependent
[10:07] <jhutchins> I could've sworn I had more than four primaries on a linux system...
[10:07] <spiroo> In windows I can delete and do almost everything that I want. But the thing is that I only have ext3 now, LOL
[10:07] <spiroo> Except the one that have Windows Vista, of course :P
[10:07] <llutz> jhutchins: only with a severe patched hdd-driver
[10:08] <jhutchins> spiroo: Is there some reason NOT to try booting from the CD?
[10:08] <llutz> out of any sepc
[10:08] <llutz> spec
[10:08] <intelikey> llutz hdd driver ?
[10:08] <intelikey> :)
[10:08] <llutz> that part of the kernel, managing hdds
[10:09] <intelikey> llutz i don't use partitions     don't have any does that mean i don't need an hdd driver ?
[10:09] <spiroo> jhutchins: not really, but the CD is quite annoying. It reads cd a several times and say. HD sense_error buffer error something like that. I think my cad has tom many scratches on it :P
[10:09] <llutz> intelikey: how do you access your drive?
[10:09] <spiroo> intelikey: I guess he meant only one partition
[10:09] <intelikey> spiroo i meant none.
[10:10] <spiroo> It is a smart move to have different if someone crashes
[10:10] <intelikey> llutz same way the rest of you do.   i mount the fs
[10:10] <llutz> even with none partition on a drive, you need some piece of software to handle that
[10:10] <llutz> and that pieces allows you to use no partition, but not to use more than 4 primaries
[10:11] <spiroo> anyway, is there any other way to fix my partition problem?
[10:11] <spiroo> !kubuntu tribe 4 download
[10:11] <intelikey> llutz you need two moduls  one for the hardware and one for the fs   i.e.  ide-disk  and  ext2     and that matters not if there are 0 or 40 primary(or extended) partitions
[10:12] <llutz> intelikey: use an unpatched ide-disk and try to handle more than 4 primaries
[10:12] <spiroo> why bother to complicate like that? Not that I do not have any problem, but still :P
[10:13] <voidmage> this is REALLY ANNOYING
[10:13] <voidmage> it's not booting at all now.
[10:14] <voidmage> and the crazy lvm setup is making this really really difficult
[10:14] <spiroo> anyway I will try to boot from LiveCD, what is the download/mirror link to Kubuntu Gutsy Tribe 4?
[10:14] <llutz> intelikey: btw, the reason is that theres no space in the 512 byte of the MBR to fit more than 4 partition-entries. so every OS has to live with that restriction
[10:15] <jhutchins> spiroo: There's a dedicated parted CD available.
[10:15] <spiroo> really, where? Or btw, lol what is a dedicated parted CD?
[10:16] <yellow_chicken> when i click the shutdown button, the menu pops out, but the shutdown optio n is gone. how to fix?
[10:16] <voidmage> I'm running out of patience with this computer and how to fix it.
[10:16] <intelikey> voidmage it's still grub.    i don't know what all you have tried  but;  1. either the information in /boot/grub/devices.map and /boot/grub/menu.lst  don't jive   or....  well there is no 2.
[10:16] <voidmage> what can I do to fix it?
[10:16] <dragon> hi guyz
[10:16] <jhutchins> voidmage: As far as I know, the only way to convert from LVM back to normal partitions is to transfer the data.
[10:16] <dragon> need some help with amarok
[10:16] <spiroo> what is problem with grub?
[10:17] <spiroo> amarok, what about it?
[10:17] <dragon> where can i find a codec for mp3s
[10:17] <spiroo> I have the solution
[10:17] <dragon> there is none in the repos
[10:17] <spiroo> install libxine-extracodecs ;P
[10:17] <voidmage> oh.
[10:17] <voidmage> i see what's happening.
[10:17] <voidmage> i tried doing it manually
[10:17] <spiroo> Go to adept if you are using that and check every 3rd-party-software
[10:17] <voidmage> it freaks out at the kernel part
[10:18] <voidmage> grub> kernel /vmlinux-2.6.20-16-generic
[10:18] <intelikey> voidmage pastebin me information form the file created by       cat /proc/partitions /mounted/boot/grub/devices.map /mounted/grub/menu.lst > ~/information
[10:18] <jhutchins> spiroo: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[10:18] <voidmage> (stops, hard drive light blinks)
[10:18] <voidmage> I can't paste anything because i can't boot.
[10:18] <intelikey> voidmage livecd
[10:18] <dragon> ok tnx
[10:18] <spiroo> intelikey: why?
[10:19] <intelikey> voidmage and /mounted/  means mount the root fs for the system some place and substitute that dir
[10:19] <voidmage> I have trouble mounting the root fs because it's lvm
[10:19] <intelikey> spiroo why what ?
[10:19] <voidmage> and mount doesn't like taking that
[10:19] <voidmage> and it doesn't bring up an entry in /dev
[10:19] <voidmage> which is how it usually mounts
[10:19] <spiroo>  <intelikey> voidmage livecd
[10:20] <voidmage> you don't understand
[10:20] <voidmage> i can't mount the root filesystem because it's in lvm
[10:20] <voidmage> and don't know how to mount lvm
[10:20] <spiroo> ah haha sorry. I thought you meant avoid image liveCD :D
[10:20] <spiroo> did not think about the user, sorry voidmimage :P
[10:20] <Assid> stupid nfs
[10:21] <spiroo> btw: How to backup then, Keep is not doing the job
[10:21] <spiroo> I need to backup to DVD
[10:21] <jhutchins> voidmage: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[10:21] <spiroo> no application for that or lib thata I know anyway
[10:21] <Assid> anyanyone here using sshfs?
[10:22] <llutz> spiroo: use growisofs
[10:22] <voidmage> okay
[10:22] <voidmage> but that doesn't tell me how to mount it.
[10:22] <jhutchins> spiroo: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Backup/DVD-Backup-9701.shtml
[10:23] <spiroo> growisofs? what is that?
[10:23] <llutz> growisofs (1)        - combined genisoimage frontend/DVD recording program.
[10:24] <spiroo> cool, never found that package before
[10:24] <Assid> hrmm hanyone here played with sshfs?
[10:24] <llutz> spiroo: you won't like it, it's CLI
[10:24] <voidmage> intelikey: i don't have a devices.map in /boot
[10:24] <jhutchins> spiroo: http://www.bluehaze.com.au/unix/cdbkup.html
[10:24] <spiroo> llutz, what do you mean?
[10:24] <voidmage> oh, /boot/gru
[10:24] <voidmage> b
[10:25] <jhutchins> Assid: I use the fish:// protocol in konqueor.
[10:25] <llutz> spiroo: it has no GUI, nothing to click at
[10:25] <Assid> fish ?
[10:25] <spiroo> Could you unite with one package please, get very confused over here :D
[10:25] <spiroo> llutz: I do not need GUI but I prefer that
[10:25] <Karti> Hi, all - Any ideas why Konqueror comes up as Stalled when I open it and it tries to view my Home Drive? Cheers
[10:26] <drewcipher_> Assid:  I have sshfs running / works well.   but, set up a while ago so not fresh in my mind
[10:27] <Assid> drewcipher_: can you get sshfs to get you root on the other box?
[10:27] <Assid> so you can access all the files
[10:27] <Assid> nfs is just unstable for me
[10:27] <drewcipher_> assid: haven't done that yet.  mounting as my user account
[10:27] <voidmage> great.
[10:27] <voidmage> i can't even GET the files to paste.
[10:27] <voidmage> because i think my wireless is down
[10:29] <spiroo> llutz, jhutchins: anything?
[10:29] <llutz> Assid: enable rootlogin at remote-sshd
[10:29] <intelikey> voidmage oh sorry  no s in device.map
[10:29] <llutz> Assid: remote-pc needs to have a root-account, no *ubuntu-sudo-cripple
[10:30] <intelikey> all linux boxen have a root account by default
[10:30] <llutz> blah blah
[10:31] <llutz> try  root-login on default ubuntu and see what i mean
[10:31] <intelikey> i know that the password is locked  that doesn't mean the account is not there or usable
[10:31] <spiroo> Is there any good GUI like Nero BackItup anywhere?
[10:32] <llutz> intelikey: you are right, but not in this context (ssh access)
[10:32] <spiroo> To bad Nero does not include that in package.
[10:32] <llutz> intelikey: and excuse me for not being native-english
[10:33] <intelikey> llutz two things affect that   root password or auth-key  and /etc/ssh/sshd_conf   settings    AllowRoot=
[10:33] <jhutchins> Assid: nfs is plenty stable, but it might be difficult to figure out.
[10:33] <Assid> llutz: how about servers that require certificate logins?
[10:33] <voidmage> ugh.
[10:33] <voidmage> i can't get wireless to work
[10:33] <Assid> jhutchins: it just dies on me,.. im working and wham. hung
[10:33] <voidmage> so i can't get a pastebin.
[10:33] <drewcipher_> sshfs is great when there is no nfs export.
[10:33] <jhutchins> llutz: Rather than allow root logins with password, the remote system should be set up with a shared key.
[10:33] <spiroo> btw, is there any possibility to always be sudo, not ever have to type in password in Kubuntu?
[10:34] <jhutchins> Assid: Ah.
[10:34] <jhutchins> Assid: Possibly a time-out or a dropped connection.
[10:34] <Assid> i open a new session.. and ls the mounted nfs.. i see the files.. even the new ones i made ont he other box
[10:34] <Assid> so it does get updated info
[10:34] <Assid> it just hangs on simple cp and stuff
[10:34] <intelikey> voidmage ok.   i'll have to go in about three minuts anyway.    maybe someone else can help you.
[10:34] <voidmage> it must be this lvm shit.
[10:35] <jhutchins> !language
[10:35] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:35] <intelikey> google grub and lvm
[10:35] <intelikey> or grub on lvm
[10:35] <Assid> can i get sshfs to work with certificate ? id_dsa ?
[10:35] <Assid> and id_rsa
[10:35] <jhutchins> Assid: Needless to say, it's probably a pain to get that worked out.
[10:35] <Assid> yeah im just tired
[10:35] <intelikey> Assid yes  it can be done.
[10:37] <killermach> intelikey, logout login removed the icons
[10:37] <Assid> intelikey: how?
[10:38] <intelikey> killermach cool.    but that sounds like a bug    it shouldn't have required that for it to affect the desktop\
[10:38] <voidmage> okay
[10:38] <intelikey> Assid script it.    but i have to go for a few hours.
[10:38] <voidmage> i got devmapper working
[10:38] <jtmoney> no one likes kubuntu anymore
[10:38] <voidmage> on my system the drives mount as /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root
[10:38] <jtmoney> too many problems
[10:38] <voidmage> and /dev/mapper/swap
[10:39] <waylandbill_> I would think the id_rsa would work by just setting up the authorized_keys on the server end.
[10:39] <spiroo> lol. Kubuntu is gonna release a new very good one and KDe 4 is on its way
[10:39] <Assid> hrmm
[10:39] <spiroo> Kubuntu is the greatest
[10:40] <spiroo> almost anyway. Looking forward to stable release
[10:42] <voidmage> oh
[10:42] <voidmage> here's the problem
[10:42] <voidmage> maybe
[10:42] <spiroo> any tips for burn an OS cd?
[10:43] <magicalmoose> like, you want to burn kubuntu onto a cd?
[10:43] <underdog5004> I'm here, if anyone has any questions
[10:48] <waylandbill_> magicalmoose: if you are running windows ATM, google for a free download called "ISORecorder" .. it will burn you a CD (assuming you don't have Nero or the like)
[10:49] <waylandbill_> underdog5004: I'd like to know the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.
[10:49] <underdog5004> 42
[10:50] <Karti> underdog5004: Go on then - Any ideas why Konqueror comes up as Stalled when I open it and it tries to view my Home Drive? Cheers
[10:50] <waylandbill_> You're amazing! ;-)
[10:50] <underdog5004> Karti, do you mean when you try to view your home directory?
[10:51] <magicalmoose> waylandbill: im not the one looking for a way to make an os cd.
[10:51] <voidmage> I fixed the root (it was on hd0,0 instead of 0,4)
[10:51] <Karti> Yes when I go through the System Menu on the task bar, to view my Home, it says its stalled then comes up about 1 minute later
[10:51] <voidmage> and now it gives error 17
[10:51] <Assid> great
[10:51] <Assid> it dont work
[10:52] <Assid> crap
[10:52] <waylandbill_> spiroo: : if you are running windows ATM, google for a free download called "ISORecorder" .. it will burn you a CD (assuming you don't have Nero or the like)
[10:53] <waylandbill_> Karti: how many entries are in the home directory?
[10:54] <Karti> waylandbill_: I have only had this image for about 8 days, it has about 10 folders inside
[10:54] <Karti> + the hidden .kde etc
[10:55] <dragon> hi guyz
[10:55] <jhutchins> Karti: I would suggest running fsck to check the disk.
[10:55] <underdog5004> adios
[10:55] <waylandbill_> Karti: I was just curious if it had many files in that directory that konq would need to use plugins for, like thumbnailing images and the like.
[10:55] <dragon> any ideas how to make amarok play mp3s?i installed the ubuntu-restricted-extras but it was no good
[10:56] <jhutchins> dragon: Have you installed libxine-extracodecs?
[10:56] <Karti> waylandbill_: It was fine until last night then it sort of went funny lol
[10:56] <ninhobomba> why is it that everytime i do a lspci command on konsole it just stays blank
[10:57] <ninhobomba> ?
[10:57] <jhutchins> ninhobomba: try sudo lspci
[10:57] <ninhobomba> thanks
[10:57] <Karti> jhutchins: with fsck it comes up with some strong warnings for a mounted disk, should that be OK?
[10:58] <jhutchins> Karti: What I would do is reboot with the command sudo shutdown -F -r now
[10:58] <jhutchins> Karti: the -F tells the system to check the disks before mounting them on reboot.
[10:58] <Karti> jhutchins: many thanks, will try that now
[10:59] <jhutchins> Karti: Come back and let us know if it helped!
[10:59] <Karti> no probs ;)
[10:59] <curtis_> hi all.  has anyone had any luck getting dvd's to backup with Kubuntu?
[11:01] <ninhobomba> curtis: have you tried k9copy?
[11:01] <spiroo> waylandbill: I mean any special settings or CD/DVD to burn LiveCD in K3B
[11:01] <curtis_> nonhobomba : no I haven't.  Any packages I need to rip with css protrection
[11:02] <llutz> curtis_: libdvdcss2
[11:02] <jhutchins> spiroo: as opposed to what?
[11:02] <curtis_> llutz : got that.  OK.  I'll give it a shot.  I installed DVDFab under Wine but it came out REALLY bad.
[11:02] <voidmage> how do I mount a lvm module under /dev/mapper?
[11:02] <voidmage> er
[11:03] <voidmage> how do i mount a lvm filesystem under /dev/mapper?
[11:03] <spiroo> jhutchins: To burn a clean an nice none scratched erorr or anything like it.
[11:03] <jhutchins> spiroo: Make sure you click the "noscratch" button.
[11:03] <spiroo> lol
[11:04] <spiroo> Okay, sorry, I mean no errors while burning or the data to get any error
[11:05] <voidmage> on a livecd, how do i setup my lvm filesystem to access it?
[11:05] <jhutchins> spiroo: Just burn it already.  You can have k3b verify it when complete, that may be the option you're looking for.
[11:06] <spiroo> I have checked verify but It did not process it so I had to kill k3b process. Hope it got correct
[11:06] <Karti> jhutchins: Looks like that cleared it up
[11:06] <spiroo> cya, going to boot livecd and fix the ****** partitions :D
[11:07] <jhutchins> Karti: Great!
[11:08] <Karti> jhutchins: can you recommend any tools that report back on disks or smart drives?
[11:08] <voidmage> my lvm drives aren't mounting on my livecd.
[11:08] <voidmage> can anyone help?
[11:09] <mattia> buonasera
[11:09] <mattia> scusate, a chi posso chiedere ?
[11:09] <mattia>  abbastanza imporatnte .. ho problemi con kubuntu
[11:09] <mattia> -.
[11:09] <llutz> !it | mattia
[11:09] <Karti> !es
[11:09] <jhutchins> Karti: Report back?  smartmontools might be what you're after.
[11:09] <ubotu> mattia: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:09] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:10] <mattia> non mi copia piu le cose del dekstop
[11:10] <Karti> jhutchins: cheers will have a look
[11:12] <martijn81> anyone with an linksys wrt54g willing to test something for me?
[11:16] <Karti> what does **Currently only for gtk** mean? cheers
[11:17] <jhutchins> Karti: gtk is a graphics library ... what context?
[11:17] <jhutchins> !info smartmontools
[11:17] <ubotu> smartmontools: control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.36-8ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 256 kB, installed size 624 kB
[11:18] <Karti> downloade smartmontools and its gui smart-notifier, and when i searched for smart notifier, it said that on the website
[11:18] <jhutchins> Karti: btw I think that was portuguese.
[11:19] <Karti> na! thats my one hand typing!
[11:19] <jhutchins> I mean mattia.
[11:20] <Karti> lol ahhhh
[11:20] <llutz> jhutchins: italian
[11:21] <Karti> I had a quick quess with spannish :)
[11:22] <jhutchins> Yeah, it does look like italian I guess.
[11:24] <Karti> Just watching Street Wars on TV.....lol kids and drinks!
[11:27] <compilerwriter> I have this usb stick drive that I am not sure if it is good or bad.  It does not automount when I connect it to my machine.  I know at one time the thing was formatted so that Demi-Sized Linux go be booted from it.  I am not sure if that would prevent it being automounted or not.  So how would I try to mount the thing manually to see if the drive is crap or if it needs to be reformatted?
[11:28] <llutz> compilerwriter: sudo fdisk -l
[11:28] <llutz> compilerwriter: if it is recognized: pmount /dev/<partition>
[11:28] <compilerwriter> llutz I do that with it connected?
[11:28] <llutz> sure
[11:30] <compilerwriter> llutz All the fdisk does is show me /dev/sda1 linux /dev/sda2 extended /dev/sda5 swap
[11:31] <llutz> compilerwriter: thats the internal hdd?
[11:31] <Karti> nite all, thanks for the help
[11:31] <compilerwriter> I believe that is the internal hd yes llutz
[11:31] <llutz> compilerwriter: more output with "cat /proc/partitions" ?
[11:33] <yeniklasorr> Do you know port number of an adsl modem's login page (like <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>)
[11:33] <compilerwriter> llutz http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34456/
[11:33] <llutz> compilerwriter: one more: lsusb
[11:36] <voidmage> grub> root (hd0,4)
[11:36] <voidmage> grub> find /
[11:36] <voidmage> error 17: cannot mount selected partition
[11:36] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: Depends on the modem.
[11:37] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : airties
[11:37] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : or do you know some
[11:38] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: You'll have to search for your particular model on the net.
[11:39] <Stygian> Anyone know of any issues with installing Kubuntu to a VMware GSX virtual server?
[11:39] <[ifr0g] > any idea why video streaming only goes half my actual speed ?
[11:39] <[ifr0g] > How could i trouble shoot this ?
[11:41] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins: for "airties port number" ?
[11:42] <jhutchins> Stygian: #vmware maybe.
[11:43] <compilerwriter> llutz you still on.  Evidently the battery in my ups has crapped out and I need to get a new.  Power outtage took me offline.
[11:43] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: The IP should be the same as the gateway.
[11:43] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: You may not be able to access it internally.
[11:43] <AhDiCt3D> AhDiCt3D: test
[11:44] <llutz> compilerwriter: yep
[11:44] <llutz> yeniklasorr: try <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:44] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: Personally, I've never heard of "airties", and you would need a model number to find anything useful.
[11:44] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : I want to learn its port (like for http 80 )
[11:44] <AhDiCt3D> !nvidia | AhDiCt3D
[11:44] <NickPresta> Any idea how to make KDE use medium hinting for everything except bold fonts (Where I want to use full hinting)
[11:44] <jhutchins> yeniklasorr: nmap it.
[11:44] <yeniklasorr> how
[11:45] <llutz> compilerwriter: is the stick listed by lsusb?
[11:45] <yeniklasorr> jhutchins : can you teach
[11:46] <compilerwriter> llutz:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34458/
[11:46] <compilerwriter> llutz By the looks of things I don't think so.
[11:47] <llutz> compilerwriter: looks not like an usb-stick :) have you tried to re-plugin it?
[11:48] <compilerwriter> I just plugged it in to my usb2 card
[11:49] <martijn81> anyone with an linksys wrt54g willing to test something for me?
[11:50] <compilerwriter> I also just hooked up a working usb stick that automounted nicely to the same card llutz.
[11:51] <llutz> compilerwriter: sounds like a damaged stick.
[11:51] <compilerwriter> ok I will just chuck it then
[11:52] <llutz> compilerwriter: >4GB?
[11:52] <compilerwriter> Yes llutz it is less than 4GB
[11:52] <llutz> compilerwriter: cheap enough
[11:54] <compilerwriter> Kind of upsetting nevertheless.   I will just have to spend another $10.00 to get one so I will have one if I need it.  I only have a 32 meg one left now llutz.
[11:54] <llutz> 32... not that much
[11:55] <compilerwriter> No makes it kind of hard to carry installation files from pc to pc.
[12:09] <ninhobomba> iwconfig only lists lo and eth0... but in the livecd it lists wlan0... it must be something i did.. how do i get it back to original state without needing to format and reinstall kubuntu?
[12:12] <speaker219> I need some help very badly. I just accidently deleted the windows entry in my /boot/grub/menu.lst. can somebody tell me what i should put back in there? Or a command i could run? Please!
[12:14] <underdog5004> !grub
[12:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:15] <dga> Hello
[12:16] <dga> where is the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?
[12:21] <docta_v> who can i speak with regarding having the siteban removed for my site for #ubuntu?
[12:22] <docta_v> could someone ping the folks in #ubuntu for me please?
[12:24] <NickPresta> docta_v, why were you banned?
[12:25] <docta_v> i don't know... nothing i did
[12:25] <docta_v> it's a major university so a lot of people connect from there
[12:25] <docta_v> the ban has been in place for several weeks, it seems reasonable to remove it at this point
[12:27] <NickPresta> docta_v, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCOperators I would contact one of the operators of #ubuntu and explain your case. They will find a solution, I'm sure.
[12:29] <docta_v> NickPresta: cool, thanks for your help.
[12:33] <jhutchins> docta_v: Sounds like maybe someone was a bit sloppy, or maybe it was an extreme problem, but you should be able to get the U un-blocked.
[12:33] <jhutchins> Berkeley?  Sheesh!
[12:36] <krisx> windows rules lol
[12:36] <NickPresta> krisx, ?


[09:49] <dkessel> hey there quality. how are you today? :)
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> hey dkessel, morning
[15:42] <pitti> plars: hey Paul, how are you?
[22:42] <plars> pitti: traveling this week, and not normally connected - sorry I missed your ping
[22:43] <plars> pitti: I saw you mention somewhere that there are some updates to adt but haven't had a chance to try it again since we talked last week. I hope to get back to that again soon


[02:39] <semitones> rww, I thought you could get cloacked if you identify from webchat?
[02:40] <m4v> semitones: webchat's cloak overrides unaffiliated
[02:40] <semitones> thanks, that's good to  know
[09:43] <LjL> semitones: perhaps if you were a member!
[09:44] <Unit193> Yep, not all of us are
[12:52] <s-fox> Hello everyone, quick query, is this the correct channel for a ubuntu member to go to to get a cloak?
[13:09] <LjL> s-fox: yes
[13:10] <ForumCoffeecat> I would like to request a cloak. I am an Ubuntu member. Launchpad account URL: https://launchpad.net/~coffeecat
[13:12] <k1l> IRCC ^
[13:16] <s-fox> Thanks LjL, I couldn't remember.
[13:19] <k1l> topyli: tsimpson nhandler elky jussi  are the ones who can have a look at this
[13:21] <ForumCoffeecat> k1l: I cannot access #ubuntu-ircc if that is what you mean. I have now added my irc nicks to my launchpad page.
[13:22] <LjL> ForumCoffeecat: nah, here is fine, k1l was just highlighting them to get their attention
[13:22] <k1l> ForumCoffeecat: no, this is the right channel. but i just highlighted the ircc guys. when they come back they will see your request. just stay here and wait :)
[13:24] <ForumCoffeecat> LjL & k1l: thanks.
[13:45] <popey> hi ForumCoffeecat, you're UK based?
[13:50] <AlanBell> hi ForumCoffeecat
[13:54] <ForumCoffeecat> popey & AlanBell: hi. Yes, UK.
[13:54] <AlanBell> are you near enough to London to get to the release party?
[17:53] <ForumCoffeecat> I requested a cloak about 4-5 hours ago. I'd like to repeat the request, please.  I am an Ubuntu member. Launchpad account URL: https://launchpad.net/~coffeecat
[17:56] <m4v> ForumCoffeecat: the IRCC seems away, you will have to wait some more :/
[17:56] <ForumCoffeecat> m4v: understood. Thanks.
[17:58] <ForumCoffeecat> It was suggested to me that I should repeat the request, otherwise I would have sat here quietly! ;-)
[18:10] <IdleOne> jussi topyli elky ^ Can ForumCoffeecat get a memeber cloak. Congrats on membership ForumCoffeecat.
[18:10] <IdleOne> member* also
[18:14] <ForumCoffeecat> IdleOne: thank you.
[21:10] <ashams> hi
[21:10] <ashams> I need to set topic to channel #ubuntu-ps
[21:10] <ashams> it's for an under-construction loco
[21:10] <ashams> so, can some1 please help me by setting topic like this:
[21:11] <ashams> للإنضمام للفريق تفضل بزيارة https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PalestineTeam
[21:12] <ashams> if you can't copy t from here, go to: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/700087/
[21:12] <ashams> it*
[21:14] <jussi> ashams, for some reason im still here... do: /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-ps ashams
[21:17] <ashams> jussi: hey, it worked, i'm a big n00b in this
[21:18] <ashams> jussi: RUN to bed before I ask for something else ;)
[21:53] <charlie-tca> ashams: this might help you - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide
[21:59] <ashams> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Only took me a year to find it


[00:14] <ScottL> knome, ack
[00:14] <ScottL> knome, my wife is coming home early tonight so i plan to spend some dedicated time to this
[00:14] <ScottL> len, i'm updating my precise install currently and then i'll test the -default-setting package for the menu/panel
[00:15] <ScottL> micahg, i apologize for putting you on the spot in the TB meeting today
[00:15] <ScottL> micahg, and it seems that you become more entwined with studio at each passing as well
[00:15] <knome> ScottL, "this" == wife or the site? :)
[00:17] <ScottL> heh, the site actually
[00:17] <ScottL> :P
[00:17] <knome> so any ETA?
[00:18] <micahg> ScottL: heh, I want to help you be viable, one of the requirements is developers with upload rights
[00:19] <micahg> that's why I stated that I'd help sponsor, but not commit to work on stuff
[00:20] <ScottL> knome, probably in two or three hours to review the website and make notes
[00:21] <knome> right... that's too late for me :)
[00:21] <knome> if you have lots of comments, send an email
[00:21] <knome> otherwise, PM or chan messages with nick are ok
[00:21] <ScottL> micahg, i very seriously appreciate your involvement and i hope to learn much
[00:22] <ScottL> knome, ack
[00:22] <knome> i believe both of the projects have gained from the cooperation this cycle, and there's no reason why we shouldn't try to continue and build it
[00:25] <ScottL> i definitely agree with continuing, but i feel like studio has gotten more out of the relationship at this point
[00:27] <knome> probably
[00:28] <knome> at least in terms of lines of code :P
[00:28] <knome> but that isn't everything that should count, is it
[06:12] <stochastic> ScottL, knome I just want to give the current layout the majority of my blessing to go through staging.  It's a great looking site knome has put together.  All of my remaining critiques are centred around content polishing - something I'll try to tackle in between my other projects.
[09:34] <knome> ScottL, i know you're probably not available, but...
[09:34] <knome> ScottL, if you are, ping
[10:02] <knome> ScottL, ETA on staging is today-tomorrow, it seems :)
[10:02] <knome> ScottL, once we are there, i'll move the content quickly to the new site
[12:43] <scott-upstairs> good morning knome, i have a few comments for the website
[12:44] <scott-upstairs> knome,  i would add two more pages that will also show up in the main "menu bar":  FL/OSS ethos (or something similar, stochastic might have better name) and FAQ
[12:45] <scott-upstairs> knome, also i would ask that "blog" and "scott lavender" be removed from the "Article Categories" in the right side bar
[12:45] <scott-upstairs>
[12:45] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, i seem to remember that you did not want the news feed on the front page, is that correct
[12:46] <scott-upstairs> (not that i hold a counter position, i'm just trying to remember)
[12:46] <scott-upstairs>
[12:46] <scott-upstairs> i did spend a little time this morning (actually more than i intended) cleaning up the "tour" areas
[12:47] <scott-upstairs> i think the major pages of the tour should solely focus on the work flows we support "out of the box"
[12:47] <scott-upstairs> i would certainly not object to another page that mentioned other "non-supported" (i.e. not installed out-of-the-box) work flows and a link to those wiki pages
[12:47] <scott-upstairs>
[12:48] <scott-upstairs> knome, do you think we should have a "end of tour" or "thanks for looking at the tour" page?
[12:55] <scott-upstairs>
[12:56] <scott-upstairs> knome, nevermind about the FAQ or FL/OSS pages, i was able to make them and place under main menu
[12:56] <scott-upstairs> mainly i believe we need these pages and just wanted to at least get a place holder with minimal text before staging
[12:56] <scott-upstairs>
[12:57] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, knome, we had previously discussed a social feed on the bottom right corner, did we still want to do this?
[12:58] <scott-upstairs> i suppose we can always put it in to get into staging/published and then remove it later if we do not need/want it
[13:01] <ScottL> i'm getting kids ready and then leaving for work
[14:57] <len> scott-work, Just two quick things. One is that above you were talking about supported vs unsupported uses of US. Ubuntu calls them "shipped" and "supported". While it doesn't matter what we call them on irc it may make sense on our web site to use the same words as ubuntu.
[14:58] <len> That is we don't ship these apps, but we do envision US being used this way and support that to some extent.
[14:59] <len> unsupported means we suggest you don't use things that way.
[15:00] <scott-work> len: good points
[15:00] <len> settings testing: to test settings (you probably know this... just making sure) Most changes to settings only work at first login
[15:01] <len> I have found the best way to test settings changes is to create a new user. The new settings get imported the first time you login
[15:02] <len> scott-work then if I change something, I delete that new user (and directories) and recreate them.
[15:03] <len> I have been able to just take the installed user and wipe the home directory too, but then I have to recopy /etc/skel before login. and it has to be done from console (I think)
[15:08] <len> Oh and testing. I don't have as much time right now as I would like... but I would like to test upgrading from both 11.10 and the last LTS. I guess that means two installs one on top of the other. It's the only test I havn't done so far as just having a working install from bare disk has been much more important. I will try to do these tests soon unless there is something else needed first.
[15:08] <len> I'm off to work.
[15:12] <scott-work> len: agreed about testing, i would like to do those tests as well, but am lacking time as well
[15:12] <scott-work> i really think the ubiquity plugin and the theming of lightdm will have to wait until next cycle
[15:13] <scott-work> i still would like to address the app menu icon, the menu structure, and panels as we have already discussed however
[15:13] <scott-work> and there are the new images for plymouth, lightdm, desktop that i would like to udpate
[15:13] <scott-work> along with including some images for desktop that have been rquested on the mailing list
[15:13] <scott-work> i'm sure there are other thing but i need to consult the roadmap properly to look at them
[15:14] <scott-work> i hope to start making bzr commits for the icon, menu, and panels tonight - this might take two nights to accomplish properly though
[15:15] <scott-work> i really want to segregate these commits per micah's comments because i begin to see how this could be really helpful later on to revert something or understand exactly _what_ changes were done for a particular thing
[15:17] <scott-work> oh, len, i appreciate your help and would like to help you with building packages
[16:00] <knome> scott-work, easier to try it now. trying it on staging is slooow :|
[16:03] <knome> scott-work, categories removed. should i remove the articles too?
[18:33] <scott-work> knome: if it is easy enough or will provide benifit later, i don't think the articles are really of any importance
[18:35] <holstein> yeah, i say, KISS, and lets get it up!


[02:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: A reminder: In a few hours I will be out of pocket for the weekend - I do regret leaving you again holding the bag getting all the summaries done :( ..Perhaps EoflaOE will step up and help the more :)
[02:29] <guiverc> Thanks for reminder Bashing-om; summaries shouldn't be a problem (hopefully few nvidia/graphics related as they're worse than greek to me) but I haven't looked
[02:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All you can do is the best you can do -I have left Gdoc with a couple of placement/move concerns that maybe Wild_Man can address.
[02:33] <guiverc> You have fun, or worry about family - we'll manage UWN, and given it's on servers we can't touch; it shouldn't be burnt to the ground when you get back... :)
[02:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: LOL Wild_Man has undertaken the repsonseability of pushing UWN out.
[02:55] <guiverc> unrelated: but out-of-pocket implies to me you've no cash; not away/awol/etc - is that a US idiom unrelated to having-no-cash (how us aussies see out-of-pocket)
[02:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: cash is but one relation to the term - here it is respect to not being in the normal place.
[02:59] <guiverc> thanks, I'm only used to it being used in relationship with coins/cash
[03:01] <Bashing-om> There is that !


[00:05] <tomreyn> calpoop: can you please try and fix your connection
[00:07] <tomreyn> calpoop: can you please try and fix your connection
[00:35] <calpoop> yea that's my bad, thelounge is being unreliable for some reason, i'll use a different client
[00:37] <tomreyn> thanks
[18:32] <M9nx[m]> Can anyone tell me why this command to clean up temp files deleted everything I had in **/home** on Ubuntu Studio?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/be046c9fe8a82bc18ca3a5874db4d1154b28325e>)
[18:32] <M9nx[m]> What do you think, went wrong?
[18:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> 9nx: Where did you get that command? Running random commands you find on the internet is always dangerous.
[18:35] <M9nx[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: thats the lesson i learned the hard way!
[18:35] <M9nx[m]> let me find it for you after dinner!
[18:35] <oerheks> that command should only touch /tmp/ ..
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@9nx:matrix.org> Can anyone tell me why this command to clean up temp files deleted everything I had in **/home** on Ubuntu Studio?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5ecfd531c30b1241753803d4b8cec1b21df1d94c>)
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Despite that, though, deleting everything in your temp file seems like a really bad idea too.
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> s/file/folder/
[18:56] <oerheks> reboot should regenerate tham, AFAIK.
[18:56] <oerheks> but it does not touch /home/
[18:59] <arraybolt3> Yeah but what if something's actually using one of those files? Theoretically an app could create a temp file, store stuff, close it, then try to re-open it later.
[19:01] <oerheks> Maybe. so his claim is invalid.
[19:22] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Not necessarily, if something symlinked your home dir into /tmp for reasons, and then you did that, kaPOW!
[19:22] <arraybolt3> (I one time symlinked my projects directory to somewhere and then used a special "permanent deletion" program I had written to try and erase the symlink. Didn't know that was doing to delete all the contents. Just about lost everything.)
[19:27] <usmany[m]> As far as I know the default behaviour of the find command is not to follow symbolic links
[19:56] <usmany[m]> in fact, the man page for find reccomend to test (with -print) before adding the -delete "to avoid surprising results". Good thing to have backups too!
[20:46] <M9nx[m]> > <@9nx:matrix.org> thats the lesson i learned the hard way!
[20:46] <M9nx[m]> > let me find it for you after dinner!
[20:46] <M9nx[m]> Eickmeyer: from here:
[20:46] <M9nx[m]> https://fedingo.com/how-to-clear-temp-files-in-ubuntu/
[20:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> > <@9nx:matrix.org> Eickmeyer: from here:
[20:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://fedingo.com/how-to-clear-temp-files-in-ubuntu/
[20:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right, but if you scroll up, as others have commented, there had to have been another reason why that happened. It couldn't have done that on its own.
 "Despite that, though, deleting..." <- sure.
[20:48] <M9nx[m]> it's just the scariest shit i've ever experienced tbh!
[20:48] <M9nx[m]> it literally wiped everything inside home, where i have all my files and software folder with extra software.
[20:48] <M9nx[m]> I ended with older files and lost some stuff. but i learned the lesson!
 "but it does not touch /home/" <- no. after reboot **all gone**
[20:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've never cleaned my tmp folder. It's tmpfs which is mostly mounted in RAM.
 "oerheks: Not necessarily, if..." <- i think that's exactly what happened! i was intalled software temporary there and then decided to clear the temp folder and ran the command and kaPOW!
[20:50] <M9nx[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: now i have kubuntu running and i wont even run the command again.
[20:50] <M9nx[m]> if i delete something that persists it will be manually...
[20:50] <M9nx[m]> i don't think it's necessary to touch it at all.
[20:51] <M9nx[m]> Eickmeyer: does ubuntu need cleaning stuff around like windows does. Or not really? I never touch it but my kubuntu is running for 3 months now. very stable really!
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Depends on what you mean by "cleaning".
[20:52] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu and its flavors for the most part don't need the internal system cleaned up ala Disk Cleanup - the package manager is smart enough to keep things from getting too out of hand.
[20:52] <arraybolt3> Your home folder, on the other hand, will always need cleaned no matter what OS you use since people have a bad habit of leaving stuff they don't need all over the place.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> M9nx[m]: Not really. Different operating systems, different file systems.
[20:52] <arraybolt3> As for your temp files, those probably don't need cleaned either.
[20:55] <M9nx[m]> arraybolt3: my home folder could not be neater! it's absolutely perfect!
[20:55] <arraybolt3> lol and oy vei
[20:56] <M9nx[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: yes but i've been on linux for 8 months now. still a new guy!
[20:56] <M9nx[m]> kubuntu for life i can tell you!
[20:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> > <@9nx:matrix.org> yes but i've been on linux for 8 months now. still a new guy!
[20:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> kubuntu for life i can tell you!
[20:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, are you using Ubuntu Studio or Kubuntu?
[20:59] <M9nx[m]> > <@eickmeyer:matrix.org> kubuntu for life i can tell you!... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/1ae0bbeece39f8358552444fe113160204d5dd32>)
[20:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Strange, considering it's using the exact same packages from the exact same source.
[21:04] <M9nx[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: there are just some very specific things with studio. I can't tell what from top of my head now! Otherwise they are the same i guess...... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fee4b4ae244291f1177ec5c58ca5daf182a6241a>)
[21:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> 9nx Well, it's not like we're competing. Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are both Ubuntu, just different experiences. Use what works best for you. Just know that unless your support issue is Ubuntu Studio-specific, you'll need support from #kubuntu:libera.chat or #ubuntu:libera.chat , not here.
[21:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer | 9nx
 "9nx Well, it's not like we're..." <- 100% - I really came here from deep fear of the command i run and cleaning /tmp files. I tweaked studio a lot and then wipped out everything. It is serious!... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fecf03c10f4e06d4c925911aae88edb68ccacdbf>)