[00:05] <mneptok> gront
[00:05] <Seeker`> hai
[00:09] <mneptok> konban-wa
[00:10] <Seeker`> oyasumi nasai
[00:21] <genii> Interesting that there's no !ext4 yet
[00:21] <genii> (someone just tried that in #u)
[00:36]  * Seeker` -> bed
[01:36] <mneptok> OK, time to start removing bans, oldest first
[01:48] <LjL> tsimpson, jussi01, i'd like to move floodbot1 off my computer, can i move it to either ubottu.com or jussi01.com?
[01:52] <tsimpson> LjL: you should already have an account on ubottu.com, are there any packages it needs?
[01:53] <LjL> tsimpson: i need to run it to know. moment.
[01:53] <tsimpson> well we have php5, -cli, -common, -gd, -mcrypt and -mysql currently
[01:53] <LjL> probably needs -mcrypt
[01:53] <Seeker`> right, am really going to bed now
[01:53] <Seeker`> night night
[01:54] <tsimpson> \o 'night Seeker`
[01:55] <LjL> tsimpson: it just works. i should make a crontab entry for it, is that a problem?
[01:57] <tsimpson> should be fine
[02:01] <LjL> moved. now you won't have channel noise when i run out of hd.
[02:02] <tsimpson> :)
[02:15] <tuxito> hello
[02:17] <tuxito> i can't enter to #ubuntu-es because when i try enter the system says this "You were redirected here because a lot of spam comes from your ISP", How i can enter again?
[02:18] <tuxito> please who can help me?
[02:18] <LjL> tuxito: try now
[02:18] <tuxito> ok
[02:19] <tuxito> it's ok thanks so much, good night
[02:59] <genii> The topbunny person is extremely annoying
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[03:36]  * genii plunders some coffee
[03:53] <Flannel> It's not Sept. 19 yet!
[04:00] <genii> Flannel: ? Is that pirate day or so?
[04:01] <Flannel> International Talk Like a Pirate Day, yeah.
[04:01] <genii> Ah, OK.
[04:02] <genii> Flannel: Jack_Sparrow exit is: "Why Work When You Can Plunder?"    so I decided to "plunder" some coffee.... :)
[04:04] <Flannel> Aye.
[04:08] <genii> I'm trying to imagine us now all talking like pirates on that day and trying to police channels
[04:08] <genii> Avast ye swab! Belay the profanity!     etc
[04:09] <genii> That kind of day could get interesting.
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> genii: awesome.
[04:38] <genii> tonyyarusso: Talk Like a Pirate Day?
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> The notion of pirate IRC.
[04:39] <genii> tonyyarusso: We'd drive the patrons nuts :)
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> /alias /ar /walktheplank
[04:40] <Madpilot> hmm. /walktheplank instead of /remove
[04:40] <Madpilot> I like
[04:40] <genii> I guess could put something like "KeelHauled!" when they get +b
[04:47]  * nalioth keelhauls genii
[04:47] <genii> OUCH!
[04:49]  * genii pulls the barnacles out of his back
[04:55] <genii> I suggest to add https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes to !md5
[05:35]  * genii continues pulling out barnacles
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> !md5
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> genii: It's a decent idea on the surface, but I'm rather hesitant about that proposal.  Here's why:
[06:41]  * genii sips
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> On the actual releases.u.c pages where the MD5SUMS files originate, there is also a GPG signature.  That's not present on the link you gave, and it's a wiki.
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> Thus, someone could edit them to match a man-in-the-middled image, but yet people would still be checking a sum that matches, and having a false sense of security.
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> A page that linked directly to each of the original MD5SUM and MD5SUM.gpg files would be more useful/reliable than one that lists all of the sums directly, IMO.
[06:43] <genii> Interesting.
[06:43] <genii> A shorter way for them to find it off the factoid was my primary reasoning
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> I certainly agree with your *goal*, just not the available path.
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> You might consider running what I just said past Matthew East and seeing what he thinks of converting that wiki page to my proposed format or similar.
[07:01]  * genii sips and thinks about md5sums and such
[07:03] <GnosticAscension> hello
[07:03] <GnosticAscension> anyone there?
[07:03] <tsimpson> can we help you?
[07:03] <GnosticAscension> I cannot seem to connect to #ubuntu, keep getting redirected to #ubuntu-proxy-users
[07:04] <GnosticAscension> am supposed to get an invite, but cannot get one
[07:04] <GnosticAscension> even after waiting for several minutes
[07:05] <GnosticAscension> @tsimpson any solutions?
[07:05] <GnosticAscension> [ I am using Mibbit, by the way]
[07:06] <tsimpson> try parting and rejoining #ubuntu-proxy-users
[07:07] <GnosticAscension> i have to type "/join ubuntu" again when in the proxy users channel, right?
[07:07] <GnosticAscension> or is the new invite automated?
[07:08] <tsimpson> you should be told to by one of the bots
[07:09] <GnosticAscension> i did it anyway
[07:09] <GnosticAscension> still not working
[07:15] <tsimpson> someone needs to -o floodbot3, it's broken
[07:15] <tsimpson> unless it's the same reason as last time
[07:17] <Madpilot> I can -o it in #u, but what's it been doing?
[07:18] <tsimpson> Madpilot: I think the list maybe full, it's only removing exempts not adding
[07:18] <Madpilot> will -o get one of the other bots in automagically? (I've lost track of how the floodbots work, can you tell?)
[07:19] <tsimpson> one _should_ +o itself afaik
[07:20] <GnosticAscension> can't an op in #ubuntu manually invite me?
[07:20] <Madpilot> leave and re-join -proxy, GnosticAscension
[07:21] <tsimpson> Madpilot: hmm, you may have to +o one
[07:21] <Madpilot> done. Floodbot1 is up & +o
[07:22] <GnosticAscension> wilco
[07:22] <genii> Time for sleep, 2:20-ish AM. Gnite
[07:24] <tsimpson> nope, not working
[07:29] <tsimpson> GnosticAscension: you'll just have to either use a real IRC client or http://java.freenode.net/
[08:31] <ikonia> #ubuntu jerk pit today
[08:42] <ikonia> ban list full again
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> Geez, doesn't anyone clear theirs?
[08:49] <ikonia> I'm doing it now
[08:49]  * tonyyarusso is gonna go on a clearing spree - I'll try to be sane, but yell if you see anything wrong
[08:49] <ikonia> removing all old dhcp ones
[08:49] <ikonia> I'm on i
[08:49] <ikonia> it
[08:49] <ikonia> hence +o in #
[08:49] <ikonia> u
[08:51]  * Madpilot considers joining the fun - but three of us might be a bit much
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> I'm getting some of the older exploit ones too.  If they haven't been back recently it probably doesn't do much.
[08:56] <Seeker`> my only two bans are fde and phix, I think they can stay
[08:57] <ikonia> yes please !
[08:57] <ikonia> I've cleaned out as much in #u as I'm comfortable with without stepping on peoples toes
[09:04] <Tm_T> I shouldn't have bans there
[09:10] <Madpilot> doubt I've got any, but can anything more than a few weeks old with my name attached
[09:10] <ikonia> Madpilot: I cleared down the big two you had
[09:11] <ikonia> Madpilot: they where old and dhcp addresses
[09:11] <Madpilot> cool
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> @login
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> What is the ban limit anyway?  400?
[09:18] <Seeker`> $not_big_enough
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> It's plenty big enough - we just have lots of people who forget to prune.
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> Anyway, it's down to 236 now.  Should be fine for a while.
[09:18] <jussi01> mines clean afaik
[09:19] <ikonia> show off
[09:20] <jussi01> hehe
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> Just a quick eyeball suggests that there's an inordinate number belonging to ikonia, Pici, and LjL.  :P
[09:22] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: really ?
[09:22] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: ooh that's odd, a lot of them didn't show up when I did a search on % for existing bans
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: As measured by "scroll really fast through the bantracker list and see which names look like they're developing shadow pixels"
[09:22] <ikonia> let me re-check
[09:23] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: lots of marks too ;)
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> but yeah, it's worth running a check on yours.
[09:23] <ikonia> re-running now
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> true.
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> A lot of the ones left are marked, so that's good.
[09:26] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: only about 10 #ubuntu bans, the rest were other channels or MARK's
[09:26] <tonyyarusso> ah
[09:26] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: cleared down a few more though, and the ones left are long term ones
[09:26] <ikonia> hence why they are commented
[09:26] <ikonia> phew
[09:26] <tonyyarusso> It'd be nice if you got warned if you removed a ban that had a mark.
[09:27] <tonyyarusso> So when we're mass-removing when it fills we can still get notified of those without manually looking.
[09:27] <ikonia> be nice if you could filter MARK's from BT
[09:27] <ikonia> eg: have a little check box for "do not search MARK's"
[09:27] <jussi01> put your suggestions for the bt on LP... then you might have them done... :)
[09:32] <Seeker`> time for work o/
[10:19] <maco> tavernier is flooding #ubuntu with keyboard-banging
[10:19] <ikonia> delt with
[10:20] <maco> you act faster than i type. thanks
[10:22] <jussi01> Tm_T: addressed already
[10:23] <Tm_T> ah, good, just passing by
[10:23] <Tm_T> wife and kid in flu here
[10:23] <jussi01> Tm_T: understand... I have the flu and it sucks
[10:28]  * tonyyarusso has the unidentified something
[10:31] <elky> yeah, i've got a general sniffle
[10:31] <elky> of course, you get treated like a criminal for wanting something that actually has pseudoephedrine in it
[10:32] <ikonia> junky
[10:33] <elky> no, just congested to the point the pressure tries to push my eyes out of their sockets
[10:33] <elky> i need a nap. my eyes feel like they're bleeding
[10:48] <Madpilot> elky, move to Canada, AFAIK pseudoephedrine-based stuff is still out on the shelves :)
[11:05] <ikonia> `brandon`: hello, how can we help
[11:06] <`brandon`> oh nevermind
[11:06] <`brandon`> sorry.
[11:06] <ikonia> n problem
[11:06] <ikonia> @bansearch `brandon`
[11:06] <ikonia> cool
[11:52] <jussi01> did I mention the flu sucks?
[11:52] <jussi01> :/
[12:15] <ikonia> @time sydney
[12:16] <ikonia> ubottu sometimes you are the best tool on the planet
[12:41] <ikonia> I'm working on an ext3 wiki page
[12:41] <ikonia> ext4 even
[12:51] <Pici> yay
[12:52] <ikonia> ?
[12:53] <Pici> oh, regarding an ext4 wiki page
[12:53] <bazhang> not a busy channel so I can ramble here
[12:53] <ikonia> ooh good
[12:53] <ikonia> I'll have it finished by the weekend, trying to put a good mix of "hello welcome to ext4" as well as a few juicy bits of under the hood
[13:09] <bazhang> pici so the switch should be -c ? or must one get the update-manager-core
[13:09] <bazhang> re : salvatore_ in #ubuntu
[13:09] <ikonia> who's he ?
[13:11] <ikonia> oh
[13:12] <bazhang> didnt know that update-manager -d would take one from intrepid to karmic
[13:13] <ikonia> it "development" version
[13:13] <ikonia> -d = development
[13:13] <ikonia> (how I remember it)
[13:13] <bazhang> right. but would it skip versions?
[13:13] <ikonia> it's not
[13:13] <bazhang> so the correct one would be -c ?
[13:13] <ikonia> 9.10 is the development version
[13:13] <ikonia> c = current
[13:14] <ikonia> (again just how I remember it)
[13:14] <bazhang> nice. my mistake and apologies to Pici for my blunder
[13:15] <ikonia> another aussie being a pain
[13:20] <ikonia> hi outboard
[13:20] <ikonia> bye outboard
[13:20] <ikonia> hi out
[13:20] <ikonia> outboard:
[13:21] <outboard> what
[13:21] <ikonia> outboard: you where forwarded here as ubuntu channels have a policy of no scripts being run on the irc clients, you refused to remove, and also your attitude on being asked to remove them wasn't great, so you where forwarded here to dicuss
[13:22] <outboard> it is a simple away mesage which comes installed in the xchat client distributred with ubuntu
[13:22] <ikonia> yup, so please disable it
[13:22] <outboard> and as for disturbing the channel  , you guys did more of that with telling me to remove it
[13:23] <outboard> get over yourselves
[13:23] <ikonia> "please do so" is not telling - it's asking
[13:23] <ikonia> it's polite
[13:24] <outboard> get over it
[13:24] <ikonia> ok, I'm over it
[13:25] <Madpilot> xchat does not, AFAIK, use a visible /away msg by default...
[13:25] <bazhang> no it does not
[13:26] <outboard> this is a fresh install of  9.04  , and i do not have time t be stuffing about installing scripts
[13:26] <outboard> this is what it came with
[13:26] <bazhang> weird
[13:26] <outboard> i mark myself away and it tells the channels  ,
[13:26] <Madpilot> outboard, xchat or xchat-gnome?
[13:26] <bazhang> mine is fresh as well, and does not have that.
[13:26] <ikonia> I'm done talking about this now, your attitude does not help
[13:26] <outboard> is it really that big a deal
[13:26] <ikonia> the bans not going to be removed
[13:27] <Madpilot> outboard, there's 1500+ users in #ubuntu
[13:27] <Madpilot> that's 1500 reasons to not want visible away msgs and other cruft...
[13:27] <outboard> fine from now on i will make sure i say good night to each of them personally rather then with a script
[13:28] <ikonia> outboard: it's not a problem as you're not in the channel anymore
[13:28] <ikonia> outboard: come back to this channel when you can discuss it without your atittude
[13:29] <outboard> how about you pull your head in  , my attitude is no more out of line then yours is  , an you are surposed to be an official
[13:29] <ikonia> outboard: ok we are done, please leave the channel
[13:29] <outboard> go grow up
[13:29] <ikonia> outboard: I won't discuss anything with you while your taking this approach
[13:30] <outboard> there is nothing to discuss , if you want to discuss this we will do it in 6 years when you are an adult
[13:30] <Madpilot> outboard, the rule is very, very simple: No visible away messages, no scripts. #ubuntu is far too busy for any other rules to make sense.
[13:30] <ikonia> outboard: ok, please come back in 6 years
[13:30] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops outboard agreed to ban for 6 years
[13:30] <Pici> ...
[13:30] <Madpilot> I like it
[13:31] <ikonia> outboard: if there is nothing else - please leave the channel
[13:31] <outboard> no i agreed to discuss this when you are an adult
[13:31] <Pici> outboard: The channel guidelines are clear on this matter. Please remove the script and we will remove the ban.
[13:32] <Pici> !guidelines
[13:32] <outboard> @mark #ubuntu-ops ikonia agreed he will not be an adult for 6 years
[13:32] <ikonia> Pici: I've tried the polite approach and just get attitude back which is why I refuse to discuss this futher
[13:35] <bazhang> not the worst of my errors though, used to just modify sources.list and go from there
[13:36] <Madpilot> outboard, if this isn't worth discussing for six years, we'll ask you to leave this channel now.
[13:36] <Pici> outboard: It doesnt look like we're making any progress here.  When you decide to remove the script you can rejoin #ubuntu, until then you may part this channel.
[13:36] <bazhang> odd that the !upgrade link has no reference to cli anymore
[13:37] <outboard> pft you brought me here you get me out of here
[13:37] <ikonia> outboard: no problem, I'll remove the forward and change it to a ban
[13:37] <Pici> bazhang: It should say it on one of links from the upgradenotes page.
[13:37] <Pici> sudo do-release-upgrade
[13:37] <bazhang> Pici, only for kubuntu that I can see
[13:38] <bazhang> right , for servers
[13:38] <Madpilot> damn, haven't seen attitude like that for a while
[13:38] <Pici> sudo do-release-upgrade -m DESKTOP actually, for desktop systems.
[13:38] <bazhang> need to install update-manager-core then ?
[13:39] <Pici> I believe so.
[13:39] <bazhang> never actually upgraded *after* a release
[13:40] <bazhang> glad you caught that or we would have to send salvatore_ to #ubuntu+1
[13:40] <Pici> Actually a lot of people keep suggesting to use -d, probably the same people who upgraded to Jaunty pre-release.
[13:42] <ikonia> yup
[13:52] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>wonder if that is outboard
[13:52] <ikonia> nothing ties in other than .au
[13:52] <ikonia> dsl and dial up
[13:52] <bazhang> 121-79 and the ispone.au
[13:53] <ikonia> he's gone
[13:53] <ikonia> I couldn't see him on line I mean
[13:54] <bazhang> just curious as the stuartclark was mega-spamming #u some months back with insta-join and quit
[13:55] <ikonia> ooh right
[13:55] <ikonia> nah doubt it
[13:55] <ikonia> dial up and dsl
[13:55] <ikonia> different ident
[13:55] <ikonia> etc
[13:55] <ikonia> outboard is a registered nick
[13:55] <bazhang> right, just the .au then
[13:55] <ikonia> well, the isp is the same, but different accounts by the look of it
[14:33]  * genii crawls over to the coffeepot and makes some
[14:34] <ikonia> LjL: bot master
[14:35] <LjL> ?
[14:36] <ikonia> LjL: I need a bit of bot help
[14:36] <ikonia> wondered if I could pick your brain at some point
[14:36] <LjL> if you can find it, feel free to pick it up
[14:42]  * ikonia searches the bins
[14:46] <LjL> ikonia: so, what's the matter
[14:47] <ikonia> LjL: sorry one moment, just dealing with eagles
[14:47] <LjL> oh you're an ornithologist, nice
[14:48] <ikonia> hawks tommorow
[14:55] <LjL> a netsplit is coming from grisham
[14:56] <LjL> not much of an advance warning, was it.
[14:56] <bazhang> heh
[14:58] <Pici> ssh! topyli is back.
[14:58] <LjL> though the server is not
[14:59] <bazhang> night all
[15:00] <LjL> night
[15:00] <Pici> goodnight bazhang
[15:00] <genii> bazhang: Night
[15:11]  * Pici sighs
[15:11] <Pici> why why
[15:18] <ikonia> Pici: whats up?
[15:24] <mneptok> me, now.
[15:24] <ikonia> ?
[15:24]  * mneptok just awoke
[15:24] <LjL> i wouldn't ask
[15:24] <ikonia> LjL: I just realised the trap I walked into
[15:24] <LjL> well, it went well for you
[15:26] <Riddell> ikonia: trouble with eagles?
[15:26] <ikonia> Riddell: hey, thanks for joining
[15:27] <ikonia> Riddell: not trouble, just wanted to bring you, jussi01 and a few of the others into line with the conversation I've just had, make sure you all know and agree
[15:27] <ikonia> I've just had a frank dicussion with eagles over the "noise" and bad information and time wasting effort he gives out in the ubuntu channels in general
[15:28] <ikonia> eg: saying he'll package the latest plasma package for testing - when he openly admits he has no idea about deb packaging - that sort of time wasting stuff
[15:28] <ikonia> and the nonsnese advice he gives out in the support channels
[15:28] <genii> ikonia: "eagles" as in "eagles0513875" I presume
[15:29] <ikonia> I've personally had this conversation with him before and spent about 2 days with him in pm trying to mentor him to be able to actually input to a channel
[15:29] <ikonia> genii: correct
[15:29] <ikonia> this has obviously failed as I can see multiple people getting quite frustrated with him in multiple channels, #kubuntu/#kubuntu-devel as core examples
[15:29] <ikonia> Riddell: he gave the excuse that he had too much pressure with school exams to kept making mistakes
[15:30] <ikonia> Riddell: I've requesed he leave the channels until 19th may when his exams are over, then from that point on he only particpates in support channels to try to learn the basics
[15:30] <ikonia> Riddell: he has made a lot of exuses that he's working with upstream developers and Jonathan Thomas on critical issues so can't back away from any channels
[15:31] <ikonia> Riddell: as he claims Jonathan Thomas gave him the job of upstream communication/bug logger I said I'd speak to you about getting that position removed from him with the minimal distruption
[15:32] <Riddell> it's hardly a position it's just something Jonathan thought he might be useful at
[15:32] <ikonia> Riddell: and then agree that no more of these positions should be given to him until he is able to actually contibute to a development channel (after he seems to have got to grips with the support channels for example)
[15:32] <Riddell> I don't know if he has been useful at it or not
[15:32] <ikonia> Riddell: I stepped in as I saw Mamarok getting quite frustrated with him in -devel - not for the first time
[15:32] <Riddell> mm, we all are somewhat
[15:32] <ikonia> Riddell: hence why I'm running this past you now
[15:33] <ikonia> Riddell: if there is anything you disagreee with or think I've stepped over the line, say so I can remedey it
[15:33] <ikonia> I also made it clear that once he comes back - it will be a "final" warning for the channels he's in, no more duff advice, telling lies about what's doing/done - if he doesn't know, don't say "I know, I'll do it" etc etc
[15:33] <Riddell> I think best to ask Jonathan how he's getting on with bug work, if he's actually being useful then no need to kick him out from that
[15:33] <ikonia> this has gone on for well over a year so I'm trying to draw a line under it
[15:34] <Riddell> if he's just making noise as he does elsewhere then fine to kick  him out
[15:34] <ikonia> Pici: jussi01 others, if I'm wrong on this, please correct me also
[15:34] <ikonia> Riddell: I'll happily speak to Jonathan, I just wanted you to be in the loop with what I've done/said so far as a contact for #kubuntu-devel
[15:35] <Riddell> and sure kick him out of support channels again
[15:35] <jussi01> I think its a case of see if heis helpful, then act on it - Ive been monitoring it for a bit, and we will just have to wait. we have given him warnings on several things, so if he doesnt improve, then ok.
[15:35] <ikonia> well, he's keen so I'm trying to see if that can be got a grip on without all the pain that comes with it, hence the "last chance" when he come sback after the 19th
[15:36] <ikonia> jussi01: keep in mind this issue is well over a year old, hence why I 'm trying to draw a line under it
[15:36] <ikonia> the final straw was him telling someone 6.06 is unsupported
[15:36] <ikonia> (for me)
[15:37] <jussi01> ikonia: yeah, Im well aware of the issue and its history, we just need to give appropriate warnings and back those up with bans.
[15:37] <ikonia> jussi01: well, his ban history is long, and hence why I'm mentioning in here that I've spent two days with him, and other individual days, and now another long conversation with him today
[15:38] <jussi01> ikonia: Im well aware of it. (and thank you for spending the time)
[15:38] <ikonia> it's a shame to waste his enthusiasm , but he's just talking "noise" to people, and as you said it needs to start being acted on
[15:38] <genii> It's too bad there seems no way to channel all the enrgy he has into something he could actually do well at
[15:38] <ikonia> genii: thats the problem he wants to be "l33t" (his words) now - not do the effort
[15:38] <jussi01> Its good we are being verbose about the issue, it prevents misunderstandings.
[15:38] <Riddell> it's a tricky case since he's on the edge of being useful and just being a pain, I'm not going to stand in the way of him being kicked out of places at all
[15:39] <jussi01> Riddell: Ill handle this issue and Liase with ikonia about it if you like, I want to have a word with a few others (IRCC) about it also.
[15:39] <ikonia> jussi01: hence why I wanted to make sure you where around and Riddell as I didn't want to overstep anything
[15:42] <Riddell> don't be afraid just to kick him out of places,  no point spending even longer discussing it on top of spending time trying to make him do something useful
[15:43] <ikonia> Riddell: well, just wanted to make you aware of what I've said and why
[15:44] <jussi01> Riddell: ok, no probs.
[15:46] <jussi01> genii: the alias's I gave you op you automatically...
[15:47] <genii> jussi01: Yeah I just figured that out now
[15:48] <jussi01> genii: its a small hack - just a wait in there, but it works
[15:51] <genii> jussi01: I need more practice at this booting stuff.  That's fighting dirty. No cake for any of you
[16:48] <ikonia> I need to lose weight, I'm thankful of no cake
[16:49] <Madpilot> it's probably a lie anyway
[16:49] <christel> surely if the cake is a lie so must any excess weight be?
[16:49] <ikonia> reverse
[16:49] <LjL> i need to throw food and drinks into me on the other hand, i'll have the cake
[16:49] <LjL> even if it's a lie, so is the rest anyway
[16:50]  * jussi01 needs to live on air for a bit...
[16:50]  * ikonia sends jussi01 fish and chips
[16:50]  * jussi01 politely refuses... too fat already
[16:51]  * ikonia redirects to ljl
[16:56] <jussi01> runny noses suck
[17:00]  * LjL chews
[17:13]  * genii sips
[17:28] <Pici> Madpilot: I think Soul_Shadow probably has you muted, me too as well.
[17:28] <Madpilot> charming
[17:28] <Madpilot> if I op does that cut thru muting? can't remember.
[17:28] <Pici> Nope
[17:29] <Madpilot> well then, the kickban he's earning will come as something of a surprise...
[17:33]  * jussi01 butts in - if you have ops, why not unmute yourself?
[17:33] <Pici> s/muted/ignored/g
[17:33] <jussi01> ahhh
[17:33] <jussi01> gotcha
[17:34] <Pici> Brain not work well
[17:36] <Madpilot> ubot2, 42 is <reply>The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
[17:36] <Madpilot> silly bot
[17:36] <Madpilot> @login
[17:36] <Pici> wrong bot
[17:36] <Madpilot> ya
[17:36] <Madpilot> too many of them
[17:36] <Madpilot> ubottu, 42 is <reply>The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
[17:36] <Pici> They're like bunnies.
[17:40] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[17:40]  * Pici palms
[17:42] <Madpilot> Pici, Mr. 'themes iz impossible, especially if you won't read instructions'... oh boy.
[17:46] <jussi01> !-snuxoll
[17:46] <jussi01> !-snuxoll-#ubuntu-offtopic
[17:47] <genii> Eating, /away
[17:48] <jussi01> !-dmsuperman-#ubuntu-offtopic
[17:48]  * jussi01 sighs...
[17:56] <genii> Maybe someone #k knows the answer to the LTS Q there. I don't.
[17:56]  * genii prods tsimpson
[17:57]  * tsimpson answers
[17:57] <genii> tsimpson: <beagleburt> G'day from New Zealand evry1- K-6.06 LTS (Desktop) expires next month - will there be a new  3xyr cycle started with a new LTS version? - OR - will one have to do a fresh Install of K-8.04 LTS which will result in LESS than 3xyrs support?
[17:58] <genii> The support cycle I'm not sure of anymore since 8.04
[17:58] <genii> (kubuntu only)
[17:58] <tsimpson> everything except the KDE packages (and is in main) is LTS
[17:59] <tsimpson> yes, the commercial Kubuntu users are screwed :p
[18:00] <tsimpson> but there weren't many anyway, from what canonical say
[18:02] <Madpilot> all the cool kids use Gnome anyway ;)
[18:02]  * Madpilot hides
[18:06] <tsimpson> no Kool Kids use KDE
[18:07] <tsimpson> it's shiny *BLING* *BLING*
[18:15]  * genii sips
[18:35] <genii> Bleh. Work keeps ringing for me today. Why can't they leave me alone? It's Friday
[19:51] <Pici> you guys are too fast for me today.
[19:52] <stew> i've learned to react quickly to brown anus water
[19:52] <Seeker`> That worked out nicely, I kicked him, stew banned him
[19:52] <Pici> stew's was a mute
[19:52] <Seeker`> ah yes
[19:53] <Seeker`> should mute be removed now?
[19:58] <Seeker`> I think I just lost 15 seconds of text
[19:58] <Seeker`> was Zee asking how to hack again?
[19:58] <Pici> yes
[19:58] <Seeker`> I'll kick him next time
[21:31]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[21:55]  * jussi01 prods ikonia again
[21:58] <Seeker`> jussi01: get a room :P
[21:58] <jussi01> sorry?
[21:58] <jussi01> :D
[21:58] <Seeker`> :P
[22:09] <Seeker`> :O
[22:10] <Seeker`> bazhang has grown a _
[23:11]  * jussi01 prods genii
[23:11]  * jussi01 waves to Seeker` so he doesnt feel left out
[23:11] <jussi01> :)
[23:14] <Seeker`> :)
[23:18]  * jussi01 grumbles.. going to bed but wanted to talk to genii before... :/
[23:19] <Seeker`> jussi01: you seem to need to talk to everyone!
[23:19] <ubot3> In ubot3, Phantomas said: /no intrepid is <reply>Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) was the ninth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[23:19] <jussi01> Seeker`: of course! :D
[23:19] <Seeker`> apart from me :(
[23:19] <Seeker`> :P
[23:20] <jussi01> Seeker`: hehe
[23:24] <ubot3> In ubot3, Phantomas said: /no jaunty is <reply>Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) is the current release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904


[22:57] <Aiutooooo> Hello
[22:57] <Aiutooooo> anyone can help me?
[23:02] <FunnyLookinHat> Aiutooooo, maybe ?
[23:02] <FunnyLookinHat> What's up ?
[23:03] <FunnyLookinHat> If you're looking for support, #ubuntu is generally the best place to look.
[23:20] <Aiutooooo> thank's


[05:29] <jibel> morning everyone
[07:12] <didrocks> good morning
[07:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:19] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:45] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:55] <jibel> fidencio, Hey, could you send me your preseed again? The paste expired
[08:09] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers!
[08:33] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:36] <seb128> lut didrocks, comment va aujourd'hui ?
[08:43] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:45] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I'm good thanks, you?
[08:46] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[08:46] <seb128> I got proposed migration items a bit sorted out, we need you/libreoffice at this point to clear off items that are otherwise ready
[08:50] <didrocks> seb128: la gorge qui gratte, mais ça va
[08:50] <seb128> k, cool que ça aille un peu mieux
[08:51] <seb128> brb, relocating
[08:56] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[09:02] <Laney> hey hey
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney, marcustomlinson
[09:06] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:07] <Laney> moin seb128
[09:14] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, salut seb128
[09:15] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, oSoMoN, how are you today?
[09:15] <oSoMoN> I'm doing quite alright, despite a rough night (baby waking up every 30mins)
[09:23] <Laney> 😵
[09:23]  * Laney is good
[09:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, :-(
[09:32] <didrocks> waow :(
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, I did try to get on top of proposed-migrations issues and created card/tried to get things moved, I hope I didn't step on your toes too much while doing that
[09:33] <Laney> thx
[09:33] <Laney> no I didn't work on that too much
[09:35] <seb128> cool
[10:23] <Laney> google are killing cloud print :-o
[10:25] <tkamppeter> Laney, did you read this somewhere?
[10:25] <Laney> yes
[10:26] <tkamppeter> Laney, where?
[10:26] <Laney> but it's on that -> machine
[10:26] <Laney> so I suggest searching for it :P
[10:26] <tkamppeter> Laney, so I do not need to pu effort on supporting it any more, nore promote it.
[10:27] <Laney> https://www.techradar.com/news/google-is-shutting-down-its-cloud-printing-service
[10:27] <tkamppeter> Laney, seems that no one sends a print job to a printer which is far away from him.
[10:28] <tkamppeter> Printing from a phone seems to be done nowadays by being close to a modern printer with driverless IPP support.
[10:32] <jibel> sending a print job to a printer far away used to be called a fax, isn't it? ;)
[10:33] <tkamppeter> Laney, "it was particularly useful for Chrome OS users whose existing printers may not have been compatible with their Chromebooks or Chromeboxes.". This use case is now covered by driverless IPP printing.
[10:33] <Laney> for their existing printers?
[10:33] <tkamppeter> Laney, and the Google Chrome guys were on the last 2 or 3 OpenPrinting/PWG Summits and picked up all of our nice driverless stuff.
[10:34] <tkamppeter> Laney, at least for modern printers, and modern can mean something like up to 5 years old. I do not exactly know for how long there is AirPrint (the first driverless IPP standard) now.
[10:35] <Laney> Right
[10:35] <Laney> I'm saying "you don't need this thing, because you can get yourself some new hardware which works better" isn't that great
[10:37] <tkamppeter> Only if you try with these stone-old, never-breaing HP printers with toner from eBay you are probably out of luck (if there is no generic PCL 5e support).
[10:39] <tkamppeter> Laney, and perhaps (I do not have confirmation) Chrome OS already supports or will support Snap and so they have access to future printer drivers (Printer Applications).
[11:24] <fidencio> jibel: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3b-XEPKLeVT~utEHATuQOg
[11:26] <jibel> fidencio, thanks. looking now
[12:51] <tkamppeter> seb128, Wimpress, kenvandine, I am not able to make it to the meeting today, but my weekly summary is up.
[12:51] <fidencio> jibel: let me know if you are able to, at least, reproduce the very same issue :-)
[13:07] <jibel> fidencio, yes, I will.
[13:50] <jibel> fidencio, where does it stop for you?
[13:57] <fidencio> jibel: https://fidencio.fedorapeople.org/ubuntu_1910_issue.png
[14:05] <fidencio> jibel: btw, happens when using the following media: http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:09] <jibel> fidencio, I'm testing on focal, but there shouldn't be much difference
[14:13] <fidencio> jibel: interesting thing (at least for me) is that I haven't seen this issue before, and the issues doesn't happen with other medias or when doing a net-based installation
[14:16] <seb128> marcustomlinson, do you think you will have a chance to look at the libreoffice libiximion thing today? or maybe I can help and give it a try if you prefer?.
[14:17] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I am busy with it. You think you could help nudge libixion and liborcus through from proposed to main?
[14:17] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I assume those will need to be in main before I can have libreoffice depend on the,
[14:17] <marcustomlinson> them
[14:19] <seb128> they are available/ready
[14:19] <seb128> just stuck in proposed waiting on libreoffice
[14:19] <seb128> they can't move before/without it
[14:19] <marcustomlinson> oh ok, I'll have libreoffice pushed in a few
[14:21] <marcustomlinson> I've just had amd64 finish building in my ppa and manual testing looks good
[14:22] <seb128> thx
[14:26] <Wimpress> tkamppeter: Thanks.
[14:26] <Wimpress> Afternoon desktoppers. I'll debut driving the meeting this afternoon :-)
[14:27] <kenvandine> Wimpress: woot
[14:27] <marcustomlinson> :)
[14:27] <Wimpress> Let's not get carried away just yet ;-)
[14:28] <didrocks> heh
[14:29] <seb128> kenvandine, Trevinho, tkamppeter, it was posted a bit late yesterday, but please update your bugs status on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-bugs-for-week-commencing-monday-25th-november-2019/13474
[14:29] <Trevinho> o/
[14:30] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 26 14:30:03 2019 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell
[14:30] <seb128> _o/
[14:30] <kenvandine> \o
[14:30] <oSoMoN> hey there
[14:30] <marcustomlinson> o/
[14:30] <didrocks> hey
[14:30] <Wimpress> Hello team o/
[14:31] <jibel> \o
[14:31] <Wimpress> Right, let's push on
[14:31] <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:31] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:32] <Wimpress> Does look like any thing in there for us, right?
[14:32] <marcustomlinson> nope
[14:32] <Wimpress> *Does not
[14:32] <oSoMoN> nope
[14:32] <seb128> looks like not
[14:32] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <hellsworth> here
[14:33] <Wimpress> Hi hellsworth :-)
[14:34] <Wimpress> Not seeing anything obvious unassisgned in the above.
[14:34] <hellsworth> 1852315 ?
[14:34] <seb128> Wimpress, I usually sort by assigneed for that section and look at anything which is "unassigned" and !fix-commited|!incomplete
[14:34] <Wimpress> Although, embarrsingly, MATE Desktop stuff.
[14:34] <hellsworth> it's unasigned and not fix committed
[14:35] <seb128> Wimpress, don't look to unknown section but to desktop one
[14:36]  * seb128 encourage Wimpress, you can do it :)
[14:36] <Wimpress> tseliot_: What is the status of https://pad.lv/1852315
[14:36] <Wimpress> seb128: I'm looking at the desktop stuff now :-)
[14:37] <seb128> Wimpress, that one does look like it make sense, should just be assigned to tseliot_
[14:37] <seb128> so we can probably move to -dd bugs
[14:39] <Wimpress> OK. Everything else for Binonic looks good.
[14:39] <seb128> +1 :)
[14:39] <hellsworth> woot
[14:39] <Laney> yeh, looking at -tracking is really only to find ones that people directly nominated without going through the process
[14:39] <Wimpress> Skip dd completely seb128 or just look at bug tracking tasks?
[14:40] <Laney> all the rest will have been assigned already
[14:40] <hellsworth> why add it to dd and not ee or ff?
[14:40] <seb128> Wimpress, I looked at dd reports, nothing on incoming nor tracking so you can skip it
[14:41] <Wimpress> OK
[14:41] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[14:41] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:41] <seb128> and yeah, usually bugs are also on new serie (but sometime not and users nominate only for the one they care about/use)
[14:41] <Wimpress> Looks to be in hand ^
[14:41] <seb128> +1
[14:41] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:42] <Laney> wait
[14:42]  * Wimpress waits...
[14:42] <Laney> we still need to either nominate it and assign to Till, or tag that as notfixing to not track it
[14:42] <Laney> otherwise we'll see it in incoming next week
[14:43] <seb128> it's assigned
[14:43] <Laney> not nominated
[14:43] <seb128> I don't think it looks a rls issue at this point
[14:43] <seb128> right
[14:43] <Laney> then notfixing
[14:43] <seb128> I was typing :p
[14:43] <seb128> yeah, -1 from me
[14:43] <Laney> I'm just saying you need to do one or the other to get it off the list
[14:44] <seb128> right, I agree
[14:44] <Laney> no opinion on which
[14:44] <seb128> I hit enter too soon
[14:44] <seb128> read my 2 lines as one :p
[14:44] <seb128> sorry if that was confusing
[14:44] <seb128> so my vote is -notficing
[14:44] <seb128> fixing
[14:44] <seb128> others?
[14:45] <seb128> (only 129 reports total on 19.10 from the error tracker, which is low)
[14:45] <marcustomlinson> ±0
[14:45] <Laney> sounds ok to me, not sure Till acknowledged the assignment though so it might get missed
[14:45] <hellsworth> idk if this package is broken, we should fix it for ff since it would be a lts - or remove the package
[14:45] <hellsworth> so i would vote for fixing it
[14:46] <seb128> kenvandine, can you make sure tkamppeter saw it being filed/assigned to him?
[14:46] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:46] <seb128> thx
[14:46] <Wimpress> OK to move on to ff?
[14:47] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[14:47] <seb128> Wimpress, I think you have team input, so your call to either nominate for $series or to change to tag to rls-ee-notfixing
[14:47] <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:47] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:47] <seb128> Wimpress, ^ you need to do one of those actions on the previous bug
[14:48] <seb128> -notfixing doesn't mean we are not going to fix it, just that we don't accept it to be tracked as a release issue and will use the standard process
[14:48] <Wimpress> seb128: OK, what is the mechanism for doing that?
[14:48] <seb128> if you accept it you click "target to series" under the bugs table
[14:48] <seb128> and select the series you want to track it for
[14:49] <seb128> if you think it doesn't need special rls tracking, as said change the tag to rls-ee-notfixing
[14:49] <seb128> rls-ee-incoming -> rls-ee-notfixing
[14:50] <Wimpress> Which bug nuber are you referring to?
[14:50] <hellsworth> the till one
[14:51] <hellsworth> 1851918
[14:52] <Wimpress> OK, that should be updated accordingly.
[14:52] <kenvandine> hellsworth: i've pinged tkamppeter about that one
[14:52] <seb128> Wimpress, thx, we can move to ff then :)
[14:53] <Wimpress> OK.
[14:53] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1853112
[14:53] <seb128> I think it's worth nominating
[14:53] <seb128> and from this week summary, Laney started looking at it
[14:53] <Laney> sounds good, that can be assigned to me
[14:53] <Wimpress> OK
[14:53] <Laney> but I would be shocked if that bug wasn't a duplicate
[14:53] <didrocks> \o/
[14:54] <didrocks> Laney: I didn't find any other
[14:54] <Laney> ok
[14:54] <Wimpress> Laney wins a bug.
[14:54] <seb128> :-)
[14:54] <Wimpress> NOthing else there that isn't in hand already.
[14:54] <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:54] <seb128> the MIR one there needs to be nominated or tagged -notfixing
[14:55] <seb128> either would work, it's the MIR team queue
[14:56] <Wimpress> So, is libmail-authenticationresults-perl not in main right now?
[14:56] <hellsworth> correct
[14:56] <Wimpress> But on the 19.10 image?
[14:56] <seb128> no
[14:56] <seb128> it blocks a libmail-dkim-perl update in focal-proposed
[14:56] <Laney> that bug is assigned already
[14:56] <Laney> nomin8 it
[14:57] <Laney> imho
[14:57] <seb128> that works yes
[14:57] <Wimpress> I agree. What is the mechanism to nominate something?
[14:57] <hellsworth> i'm happy to keep on with this mir
[14:57] <Laney> target to series, focal, assign to hellsworth
[14:57] <Wimpress> It is nominated for ff.
[14:57] <Laney> delete the incoming tag
[14:58] <didrocks> Wimpress: it can't be on official image if not in main (technically speaking, it will be an iso build failure with "unknown package")
[14:58] <Wimpress> OK, should be correctly nominated for ff now.
[14:58]  * marcustomlinson reads: It is nominated ffs.
[14:59] <Laney> cool
[14:59] <Wimpress> Move on to the next topic?
[14:59] <Laney> ff-tracking looks good, so yeah
[14:59] <seb128> +1
[14:59] <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:00] <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[15:00] <Laney> yeah
[15:01] <Laney> dunno what happened last week
[15:01] <Laney> did these get assigned?
[15:01] <marcustomlinson> there's a few of those that should be cleared out with the libreoffice upload I just did
[15:01] <seb128> Laney, I think everything in the list is being handled
[15:01] <seb128> half of it should unblock with libreoffice
[15:01] <Laney> ok
[15:02] <didrocks> (xorg-server waiting list is scary, probably autopkgtests running ;))
[15:02] <seb128> the other one are a MIR waiting review, librsvg which is being worked on and a few issue from Debian being discussed there
[15:02] <Wimpress> oSoMoN: Are you still fighting with librsvg?
[15:02] <oSoMoN> it's bug #1853657, I'll update to 2.46
[15:02] <seb128> Laney, in fact I lied about one, libxml is blocked by postgresql-12 ... do you know if anyone is looking at that?
[15:03] <Laney> nope
[15:03] <seb128> it's not for out team though and I would expect it's being handled, unsure who to ping though
[15:03] <Laney> maybe need to check with server team
[15:03]  * seb128 wants p_iti :)
[15:03] <Laney> probably in ubuntu-devel
[15:03] <seb128> +t
[15:03] <seb128> right
[15:03] <Laney> what is glm?
[15:03] <Laney> why do we own all this weird stuff ._.
[15:03] <Wimpress> GL maths library.
[15:04] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+bug/1176083
[15:04] <didrocks> Robert! :)
[15:04] <didrocks> (Mir requirement)
[15:04] <seb128> Mirrrr
[15:05] <seb128> we should reassign that to Saviq
[15:05] <didrocks> yeah, I think that should be their team
[15:05] <Laney> are they a main owning team these days?
[15:05] <Laney> would be good if so
[15:05] <seb128> we should talk about that
[15:05] <Laney> looks like it
[15:05]  * seb128 takes a note to discuss it in the manager meeting later
[15:05] <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#mir-team
[15:06] <Wimpress> Seems reasonable.
[15:06] <Laney> so we can probably move that one after asking
[15:06] <Laney> \o/
[15:06] <didrocks> yep ;)
[15:06] <Laney> so I guess that's it
[15:06] <seb128> :-)
[15:06] <hellsworth> why does that mir-team not have libmail-authenticationresults-perl?
[15:06] <Wimpress> ANything else in there we need to assign or find another owner for?
[15:06] <seb128> Saviq, can you subscribe the mir team to glm?
[15:06] <Wimpress> Nicve try hellsworth ;-)
[15:07] <Laney> ha
[15:07] <hellsworth> im serious
[15:07] <didrocks> I suggest all -perl -> other teams ;)
[15:07] <hellsworth> isn't the mir team supposed to review the mirs?
[15:07] <Wimpress> +1 :-)
[15:07] <Laney> it's Mir not MIR
[15:07] <hellsworth> must be a newbie question
[15:07] <didrocks> ah yeah puzzling
[15:07] <Laney> as in ...
[15:07] <Wimpress> #namingthingsishard
[15:07] <hellsworth> mir as in the os?
[15:07] <didrocks> hellsworth: Mir is a display server, like xorg, not MIR (Main Inclusion Request)
[15:07] <Laney> https://mir-server.io/
[15:07] <hellsworth> right
[15:07] <Laney> that thing
[15:08] <oSoMoN> lucky there isn't a mIR team
[15:08] <hellsworth> ok that mir is the only mir i was aware of before joining the team :)
[15:08] <hellsworth> ok
[15:08] <hellsworth> two mirs
[15:08] <Wimpress> oSoMoN: Give it time.
[15:08] <Laney> still only two
[15:08] <didrocks> or a MiR or mIr or… :)
[15:08] <Laney> not as many as we've had autopilots
[15:08] <Wimpress> Time for AOB?
[15:08] <didrocks> Laney: heh ;)
[15:08] <didrocks> yeah, looks like time for AOB
[15:08] <Wimpress> #topic AOB
[15:08] <Wimpress> Anyone have anything else they want to discuss?
[15:09] <seb128> not from me
[15:09] <didrocks> anope
[15:09] <Trevinho> neither
[15:09] <oSoMoN> nothing here
[15:09] <Saviq> seb128: what am I doing again?
[15:09] <Wimpress> You just agree to own the glm package in main Saviq :-)
[15:10] <seb128> Saviq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+subscribe
[15:10] <seb128> Saviq, and subscribe the mir team, so the package mapping is showing the correct owner
[15:10] <seb128> since it seems the only reason it is in main is mir
[15:10] <Saviq> ETOOMANYTEAMS
[15:10] <seb128> indeed
[15:11] <seb128> the subscribe dialog could use filtering or keyboard completion
[15:11] <Saviq> seb128: but subscribed
[15:11] <seb128> Saviq, thx!
[15:11] <Saviq> ofc
[15:11] <Wimpress> Saviq: Thanks.
[15:11] <Laney> now, it's stuck in -proposed, go fix it :p
[15:11] <seb128> lol
[15:11] <didrocks> "btw…" ;)
[15:11] <Saviq> sneaky b…
[15:11] <seb128> Saviq, it's being handled in Debian don't worry
[15:11] <Wimpress> Well played team.
[15:12] <Laney> haha
[15:12] <Saviq> Wimpress: that's how you run them, eh?
[15:12] <Wimpress> :-)
[15:12] <Wimpress> I have an AOB topic, if noone else has anything.
[15:13] <Laney> dunno about don't worry, still good to keep an eye, no guarantees there
[15:13] <Laney> go
[15:13] <seb128> Saviq, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940906 for reference, the autopkgtest got broken by the removal of the cmake file which looks like upstream is bringing back, so probably just wait for upstream/debian and it will automagically resolve
[15:13] <seb128> but yeah, still keep an eye in case it needs some nagging
[15:13] <seb128> Wimpress, go!
[15:14] <Wimpress> Wanted to discuss the idea have this meeting at alternating times every other week.
[15:14] <seb128> what times?
[15:14] <Wimpress> Basically, so we can do this with the team members from down under.
[15:14] <Wimpress> I have given the time much thought yet.
[15:14] <seb128> we used to do that but 1am meeting wasn't really working
[15:15] <seb128> it cost to the team more than it's worth imho
[15:15] <Wimpress> Just wanted to see if it has been tried before or what you all think about the idea.
[15:15] <didrocks> that would mean early morning, without US but with NZ/AU?
[15:15] <didrocks> or just US/NZ/AU?
[15:15] <Laney> don't think we have any working day overlap with robert_ancell
[15:15] <Laney> maybe the US does
[15:15] <hellsworth> yep we do
[15:15] <seb128> or everyone in turn with every n weeks some people up at 1am for an IRC meeting (we had that at some point in the past)
[15:15] <hellsworth> but between US/EU/AU pick 2
[15:15] <Wimpress> I have meetings with RObert at 8pm UK time regarding snap store.
[15:16] <seb128> which is like 6am for James?
[15:16] <seb128> there is still like 3 hours between Robert and James
[15:17] <Wimpress> Yeah, I know this isn't easy.
[15:17] <Wimpress> I don't think asking anyone to have a meeting at 1am is reasonable.
[15:17] <kenvandine> it's really tough
[15:17] <hellsworth> i think kenvandine and i are the only us ones. i'm happy to meet in the evening if it helps
[15:18] <Wimpress> So, the idea is OK. Just needs some actual thought regarding logistics?
[15:18] <seb128> it's still going to be inconvenient for people, either earlier or conflciting with familly life, dinner, activities...
[15:18] <seb128> I don't think it's worth the cost
[15:19] <kenvandine> i agree
[15:19] <seb128> but just my opinion
[15:19] <Wimpress> OK.
[15:19] <seb128> if we don't want to exclude half the team maybe think about fully go async?
[15:19] <didrocks> or we make the attendance optional, and have rolling time, so, it can be once US/AU, once US/EU, (and maybe EU/AU?)
[15:19] <seb128> e.g drop the meeting and just use discourse...
[15:19] <marcustomlinson> I do think it's a nice idea to have US/AU community around for a meeting time
[15:19] <seb128> or what didrocks says could also worth
[15:20] <seb128> maybe change the meeting purpose
[15:20] <Laney> feels like a chat for a retrospective in a sprint at this point
[15:20] <seb128> we have bugs & activity on discourse
[15:20] <Laney> to me anyway
[15:20] <seb128> make it a sync point/office hour slot
[15:20] <Wimpress> Laney: Good idea!
[15:20] <seb128> +1
[15:20] <Laney> personally I don't agree that the rls stuff would be good on discourse, that works nicely in real time I think
[15:20] <Laney> but time zones do sucks
[15:20] <Laney> -s
[15:21] <Wimpress> Right, I'll think on that some more and we can chat about it together.
[15:21] <Laney> ta
[15:21] <Wimpress> I'm done. Anything else?
[15:21] <kenvandine> nothing from me
[15:21] <Wimpress> 3...
[15:21] <hellsworth> travel
[15:22] <hellsworth> folks should do that real quick
[15:22] <hellsworth> that is all
[15:22] <kenvandine> indeed
[15:22] <Wimpress> Good point hellsworth
[15:22] <seb128> not from me
[15:22]  * didrocks is dealing with atpi, sounds train is complex for them :)
[15:22] <seb128> oh, as we do reminders
[15:22] <seb128> @online training :)
[15:22] <hellsworth> is there an official due date for the online training?
[15:22] <marcustomlinson> deadline is next Wednesday I beleive
[15:22] <hellsworth> ah ok
[15:23] <seb128> they said end of the month
[15:23] <marcustomlinson> well it was said 1 month from access which was 4 Nov
[15:23] <seb128> but I emailed saying it was not possible for some people who were in holidays and they replied "do you best then"
[15:23] <seb128> your*
[15:23] <Wimpress> End of this week is the target I believe.
[15:23] <seb128> so I think it's not an well defined line, they just wanted to push people to get it done
[15:24] <hellsworth> sure ok thanks
[15:24] <Wimpress> And, I also heard there is some wiggle room.
[15:24] <Wimpress> lulz
[15:24] <kenvandine> :)
[15:24] <Wimpress> All finished?
[15:24] <Laney> wonder if that'll break meetingology
[15:24] <didrocks> yep ;)
[15:24] <seb128> yep
[15:24] <Laney> or if meetingology will break it
[15:25] <seb128> should not, I think the bot is mart
[15:25] <seb128> smart
[15:25] <Wimpress> Thanks everyone.
[15:25] <hellsworth> thanks!
[15:25] <Wimpress> 2...
[15:25] <oSoMoN> a smart bot? there is no such thing
[15:25] <seb128> Wimpress, thx, well done handling your first meeting :)
[15:25] <Wimpress> 1...
[15:25] <Wimpress> Thanks seb128
[15:25] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[15:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 26 15:25:41 2019 UTC.
[15:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-26-14.30.moin.txt
[15:25] <Laney> HA
[15:25] <didrocks> thx!
[15:25] <marcustomlinson> Thanks Wimpress
[15:25] <Laney> KNEW IT
[15:25] <seb128> meetingology, you s.... bot :p
[15:26] <Wimpress> #botfail
[15:26] <oSoMoN> told you
[15:26] <seb128> pfiou
[15:26] <seb128> not today that the bot get us out of having a job then!
[15:26] <oSoMoN> not that one anyway :)
[15:26] <hellsworth> lol
[15:33] <kenvandine> Wimpress: joining?
[15:36] <jibel> fidencio, I can do an automated installation with your preseed and find nothing wrong with it.
[15:37] <jibel> fidencio, then only thing I can imagine at the moment is that you set disk and bootdev to vda and if your VM is configured with a SATA interface instead of Virtio then the disk won't exist
[15:38] <jibel> but I suspect the error would be different than stopping on the guided partitioning step
[15:38] <jibel> it would likely be an error from partman saying it cannot find the root device
[15:40] <fidencio> jibel: you tried with the mentioned ISO? if you tried with focus, would you mind pointing me to the ISO you used?
[15:40] <fidencio> jibel: we do set the disk and bootdev to vda, but it's recognised and I can finish the installation without any issue, manually, still using vda
[15:41] <jibel> fidencio, I tried focal and I'm verifying on eaon now
[15:42] <jibel> fidencio, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/focal-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:43] <fidencio> jibel: let me try with focal here as well
[15:45] <seb128> https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc/ubuntu-desktop-common
[15:45] <seb128> new board
[15:46] <seb128> the other board is "Ubuntu Desktop Snap" so I used "Common" there
[15:48] <Laney> beautiful
[15:51] <fidencio> jibel: same error here
[15:51] <fidencio> jibel: I wonder whether it may be related to the init_automatically_partition string passed to partman-auto
[15:55] <jibel> fidencio, another difference is that I put the seed in the preseed directory of the iso not the initrd
[15:56] <fidencio> jibel: can ubuntu generate a preseed file by the end of a normal installation?
[15:57] <fidencio> jibel: what's really fishy for me is that it only broke when using initrd injection with this specific ISO (and now with focal as well)
[15:58] <seb128> grrr, moving column between boards lost the people :/
[16:00] <Laney> do they come back once they re join the board?
[16:01] <fidencio> jibel: what I can see here is: ubiquity: Partman: state = [['', None, None]]
[16:01] <jibel> fidencio, no it cannot, you could do a debconf-get-selections but there would be lot of noise
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, no :(
[16:01] <Laney> :<
[16:01] <fidencio> jibel: Partman: auto_state [0, 'Guided - use entire disk']
[16:01] <fidencio> so, seems that partman is not getting the state passed
[16:01] <jibel> yeah
[16:02] <fidencio> jibel: what are the possible values to be passed?
[16:02] <seb128> I'm adding people back to the board as I see fit but please review and add yourself to card if I missed some
[16:02] <seb128> sorry for the noise :/
[16:05] <jibel> fidencio, partman auto supports the following values
[16:05] <jibel> Guided - use the largest continuous free space
[16:05] <jibel>  Guided - use entire disk
[16:05] <jibel>  Guided - resize ${PARTITION} and use freed space
[16:05] <jibel>  Guided - reuse partition, ${PARTITION}
[16:05] <jibel>  Guided - use entire partition, ${PARTITION}
[16:23] <fidencio> jibel: how can I be sure the preseed file was found?
[16:36] <fidencio> when taking a look at casper.log, I can see something like "Begin: Loading preseed file... ... grep: /root/preseed.cfg: No such file or directory"
[16:41] <fidencio> nah, doesn't seem to be the issue as the same is shown when trying to install 18.10 and it just works
[16:52] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, remember ff71 on xenial needs to be built against patch llvm-6 or llvm-8+
[16:53] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I know, and it's high on my to-do list, but I wanted to get the builds going in the PPA anyway
[17:00] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ok
[17:00] <ricotz> with llvm-9 in bionic now it seems a good backport candidate as well
[17:07] <oSoMoN> indeed
[17:08] <oSoMoN> ricotz, with our conditional code, once llvm-9 is out of proposed it should be picked up automatically by firefox builds, right?
[17:08] <oSoMoN> i.e. nothing to change in the packaging
[17:09] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yes
[17:13] <fidencio> jibel: hmm. Interesting thing .... on 19.10, I can see on dmesg: "Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs..." and "Initramfs unpacking failed: Decoding failed"
[17:41] <jibel> fidencio, how to you inject the preseed and rebuild the initrd?
[18:02] <bittin_> Hello! Any Ubuntu Desktop Meeting today? i did my duties and reported a Totem bug atleast
[18:03] <bittin_> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/issues/377
[18:03] <gitbot> GNOME issue 377 in totem "Totem SegFaults on Ubuntu 20.04 Daily Image" [Opened]
[18:03] <bittin_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1854085
[18:06] <oSoMoN> hi bittin_ ! the weekly desktop meeting was 3 hours ago
[18:06] <oSoMoN> thanks for that bug report
[18:06] <bittin_> oSoMoN: alright, any meetings log file ?
[18:07] <oSoMoN> bittin_, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/11/26/%23ubuntu-desktop.html
[18:07] <bittin_> thx
[18:14]  * bittin_ reads up
[18:24] <bittin_> btw anyone knows something about Force Feedback Wheels on Ubuntu 18 or 19? a friend is wondering
[18:33] <bittin_> done reading thanks
[18:38] <bittin_> Anyone know how to create a stack trace with Debug Symbols?
[18:40] <oSoMoN> bittin_, install debug symbols with instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages, then run whichever app that crashes in gdb, and when it breaks at the gdb prompt type "t a a bt" followed by return
[18:41] <bittin_> oSoMoN: thanks the Totem guys wanted a strace but never did this before
[18:47] <bittin_> oSoMoN: (gdb) "t a a bt"
[18:47] <bittin_> Undefined command: "".  Try "help".
[18:54] <bittin_> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/issues/377#note_656651
[18:54] <gitbot> GNOME issue 377 in totem "Totem SegFaults on Ubuntu 20.04 Daily Image" [1. Crash, 2. Needs Information, Opened]
[18:54] <bittin_> @ oSoMoN
[19:09] <bittin_> oSoMoN: so if you know how gdb works, could you help with that? that would be nice
[19:45] <oSoMoN> bittin_, gbd totem, then when you get the first prompt "run" and return
[19:45] <oSoMoN> then make the app crash, and "t a a bt"
[19:46] <bittin_> oSoMoN: thanks
[19:47] <bittin_> oSoMoN: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/issues/377
[19:47] <gitbot> GNOME issue 377 in totem "Totem SegFaults on Ubuntu 20.04 Daily Image" [1. Crash, 3. Not Gnome, Closed]
[20:03] <oSoMoN> bittin_, note that if you have a crash file for totem under /var/crash, apport should have uploaded it automatically to errors.ubuntu.com
[20:08] <robert_ancell> sergiusens, hi
[20:08] <oSoMoN> bittin_, that's https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/55095074fb3c3335c19f63f3c91d3a8231be2034
[20:09] <oSoMoN> (you might not be able to see this, but that means the crash is known and being tracked)
[20:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[20:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi
[20:20] <seb128> oSoMoN, bittin_, looks like a valid one to send upstream to gitlab
[20:23] <oSoMoN> hey robert_ancell
[20:24] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, hi! Actually I had a questions for you... Can you set the common-id for the 0ad snap?
[20:24] <oSoMoN> robert_ancell, sure, how do I do that?
[20:25] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/76432
[20:25] <gitbot> microsoft issue (Pull request) 76432 in vscode "snapcaft.yaml: Set the AppStream ID in the Snap metadata" [Closed]
[20:26] <robert_ancell> Something like that. If that app doesn't have an ID then you use the .desktop file name
[20:27] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, according to the .deb version in the YAML the ID should be com.play0ad.zeroad
[20:28] <fidencio> jibel: I just use virt-install to do so. Let me check the code.
[20:28] <oSoMoN> robert_ancell, so that's the value of the <id> field in the appdata.xml, right?
[20:29] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, Yes.
[20:29] <oSoMoN> ack
[20:29] <robert_ancell> Bonus points for pulling it out automatically :)
[20:29] <robert_ancell> I'm trying to work out with sergiusens if we can get snapcraft to make this easier.
[20:30] <fidencio> jibel: https://github.com/virt-manager/virt-manager/blob/master/virtinst/install/installerinject.py#L15
[20:32] <marcustomlinson> Hey robert_ancell
[20:32] <robert_ancell> o/
[20:36] <oSoMoN> robert_ancell, appdata.xml is in the source tarball, so I could extract the id from there, but I don't suppose there's a "snapcraftctl set-common-id <ID>" command that can be used in scriptlets, is there?
[20:37] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, I don't have enough snapcraft experience to say.
[20:38] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, can you confirm ^ ?
[20:39] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, the common-id is per-app, so I guess it would have to be "snapcraftctl set-common-id <APP> <ID>" ?
[20:39] <marcustomlinson> robert_ancell: you may want to join #snapcraft
[20:40] <oSoMoN> right
[20:46] <oSoMoN> robert_ancell, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~osomon/+junk/0ad-snap/revision/34 , and snaps rebuilding on launchpad
[20:46] <robert_ancell> oSoMoN, thanks!
[20:49] <oSoMoN> ok, I'm off for today, have a good rest of the day everyone
[20:50] <marcustomlinson> me too. bye!
[20:54] <mwhudson> hm hm rustc builds ok on xenial/armhf when built with gcc 7...
[21:06] <fidencio> jibel: Aha! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1835660
[21:07] <fidencio> jibel: not exactly the same issue, but similar / same error message
[21:09] <fidencio> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1840945
[21:51] <fidencio> jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1840945 is the root cause. it *is* a regression as gzip stopped working. Preferring lz4 is totally understandable, dropping gzip support, tho, is a big regression as it does affect virt-manager / gnome-boxes / and pretty much a bunch of users relying on old scripts using gzip
[21:51] <fidencio> jibel: I've patched virt-manager to do the test, and used `lz4 -9 -l` and it just worked
[21:52] <fidencio> jibel: but patching virt-manager for dealing with this specific ISO is not the way to go
[22:12] <fidencio> robert_ancell: heya! are you running 19.10?
[22:13] <robert_ancell> fidencio, yes
[22:14] <fidencio> robert_ancell: mind pasting the output of `zgrep CONFIG_RD_ /usr/src/<path/to/latest/kernel>/.config`?
[22:14] <robert_ancell> $ zgrep CONFIG_RD_ /usr/src/linux-headers-5.3.0-23-generic/.config
[22:14] <robert_ancell> CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y
[22:14] <robert_ancell> CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y
[22:14] <robert_ancell> CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y
[22:14] <robert_ancell> CONFIG_RD_XZ=y
[22:14] <robert_ancell> CONFIG_RD_LZO=y
[22:14] <robert_ancell> CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y
[22:15] <fidencio> robert_ancell: hmm. interesting. not a kernel change then.
[22:15] <fidencio> robert_ancell: thanks a lot!