[16:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: tested all 64bit installs, checked 32 boots, will try and get another hardware one done today - won't be doing anymore though
[16:44] <flocculant> there are some kbd related issues apparently elsewhere - noting them on the wiki
[21:55] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks!


[06:36] <dft5g> hii
[09:26] <simith> hello
[09:26] <simith> i would like to set up a development environment for Ubuntu mobile edition on Fedora 8
[09:26] <simith> is there any docs ?
[09:28] <simith> not possible ?
[12:36] <asac> whats the official way to upgrade UNR?
[12:36] <asac> lool: ?
[12:36]  * asac never used update-manager on it ;)
[12:36] <asac> just apt-get dist-upgrade or are there already update hacks in update-manager i dont want to miss?
[12:50] <davmor2> asac: what version you on now?
[12:51] <davmor2> asac: I'm assuming you can try update-manager -d the same as desktop
[12:51] <asac> davmor2: i am on jaunty
[12:51] <asac> davmor2: i can use update-manager
[12:51] <asac> but usually i prefer apt-get ;) ... which is why i asked if there are hacks that i would miss ;)
[12:52] <davmor2> asac: ah fair enough
[12:53] <asac> so ... are there hacks or not ;)?`
[12:53] <asac> anyway still upgrading to latest jaunty ... so have a few more minutes at least ;)
[12:53] <davmor2> asac: I don't know I used update-manager -d
[12:53] <asac> mini-9 is not really speedy
[12:53] <asac> ok i will use that too then :)
[12:56] <davmor2> asac: you might lose wifi
[12:57] <asac> loos wifi?
[12:57] <asac> davmor2: ?
[12:57] <asac> i probably want that ;)
[12:58] <lool> asac: Pong?
[12:58] <lool> asac: In the train right now
[12:58] <davmor2> asac: yeah most people using dell mini and karmic have lost wifi
[12:58] <lool> asac: cant read scrollback, but perhaps I can help now?
[12:58] <asac> lool: just wanted to know if update-manager has any tweaks or if its a valid test to update to karmic with apt-get
[12:59] <asac> lool: but i decided to use update-manager now :) ... was initially not sure whats the normal thing for UNR
[12:59] <asac> davmor2: wl driver regression :/
[12:59] <asac> yeah i read bugs about it
[12:59] <asac> what a mess
[12:59] <asac> i hope it just affects some types of networks
[12:59] <asac> i have reports that some APs work and some down
[12:59] <asac> dont
[12:59] <davmor2> asac: I don't know if it is happening on upgrades though
[13:00] <davmor2> hence the might
[13:00] <asac> the reports i got say it regressed on about oct 5
[13:00] <asac> so not that long ago
[13:00] <asac> :/
[13:01] <lool> asac: We're using the same tools as the desktop as much as possible
[13:22] <ian_brasil> i always used update-manager -d  (without any problems)
[13:32] <asac> 3 minutes till downloads finish in update-manager ... then we will see ;)
[16:29] <asac> darn. how much i dislike debconf
[16:29] <asac> the upgrade hung for one hour
[16:29] <asac> because of some config file i never touched
[17:41] <lool> asac: cups.conf?
[17:41] <lool> I have CUPS for that, you cant imagine
[17:42] <lool> asac: I think update-manager disables the prompts though, doesn't it?
[18:01] <asac> lool: i am not sure if it was cups again. but cups surely changes config regularly without user modification
[18:01] <asac> lool: update-manager prompted me here on unr
[18:17] <asac> lool: UNR looks good ... only thing is the bluetooth tray when disabled
[18:17] <asac> its not recognizable
[18:17] <asac> also the volume indicator i just can see the speaker not ... how much volume there is
[18:17] <asac> and on launcher the apps have too much spacing in between
[18:17] <asac> not enough fit in the area
[18:18] <asac> haave to scroll even on favorites
[18:18] <asac> but otherwise thumbs up!!


[00:02] <pmatulis> anyone here get sssd working with sudo configured in ldap?
[00:27] <ipl31> Hello, so I had a qlogic 10 Gig card that worked oneiric but now seems to not be happy because of a firwmare version in precise. Did something change in the linux-firmware package?
[00:31] <sarnold> ipl31: were there any enlightening notes in the /usr/share/doc/<foo>/changelog* files?
[00:33] <ipl31> sarnold: unfortunately no
[00:33] <sarnold> :(
[00:34] <sarnold> ipl31: if you steal the firmware from the old version, does it work?
[00:34] <ipl31> good question I should try that
[00:35] <ipl31> although box is remote and I have not network access only remote KVM, but I will see if there is way I can get it on there
[00:35] <sarnold> oof
[00:35] <ipl31> yeah :)
[00:35] <sarnold> would it be easier to get a local card?
[00:35] <ipl31> yeah it might be, its 10G card so I can't buy one locally would need to have it shipped
[00:36] <ipl31> but I might end up doing that
[00:36] <sarnold> .. it doesn't sound cheap :) but still, that also sounds like a system that's best to leave alone as much as you can. :)
[00:36] <ipl31> actually system is not in service so I can do whatever I want
[00:36] <sarnold> woo :
[00:36] <sarnold> :)
[00:36] <ipl31> testing the upgrade to precise
[01:49] <stgraber> SpamapS: I'm testing on an ivy bridge laptop (i7) with a lot of RAM and a very fast SSD...
[02:06] <SpamapS> stgraber: ok, so not that dissimilar from my mac book air (i5, 4GB RAM, average SSD)
[02:23] <Guest2295> Hello all!!!
[02:23] <Guest2295> I am coming I think to the end of a very drawn out problem with reference to my primary system running ubuntu.
[02:49] <Tohuw> I need to install Magick-config, but it seems the only packages that provide it from the Ubuntu repos require X11. Can someone enlighten me as to why this might be, and if there's a suitable alternative if my only goal is to provide Magick-config for gem install rmagick?
[02:52] <sarnold> Tohuw: drat, I wondered if graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat might be easier .. but no luck, it also eventually depends upon libx11-dev
[02:53] <sarnold> Tohuw: I believe I've read some mechanism to fake dpkg into thinking that some specific packages are already installed; I _hope_ that graphicsmagick or imagemagick would load libraries only as they need them..
[02:57] <Tohuw> sarnold: I could force the install of the package, but I'd rather not... based on my reading of Magick-config, it seems odd to require the X11 stack for it...
[02:57] <sarnold> Tohuw: it'd be a package-level dependency, the individual tool may not need it at all.
[03:05] <Tohuw> sarnold: I found a workaround via installing libgraphicsmagick1-dev, which installs an acceptably minimum number of X11 dev packages.
[03:05] <sarnold> Tohuw: oh! hooray for just the -dev packages. that'll save a bit.
[03:06] <Tohuw> Yes, considerably. x11-common, libx11-dev, x11proto-xext-dev. I can live with that.
[03:17] <Tohuw> For the record, the correct package ended up being 'graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat' to resolve rmagick not installing on Ubuntu via gem install. This is the most minimal provider I could find.
[03:23] <Tohuw> I didn't catch that libgraphicsmagick1-dev provides GraphicsMagick-config, which is not quite the same. I also needed libmagickwand-dev.
[05:55] <basil60> I'd like some advice on possible malware on ubuntu11.04 server please?
[06:06] <basil60> I've received a number of complaints from my ISP that unsolicited emails have originated from IP address. I've scanned for rootkits , malware a,d almost every other conceivable problem on my PC. As soon as I turned my server back on, the complaints returned. I'm sour it's some system change that I made that has permitted this problem... I'd just like some advice on shutting it down.
[06:18] <basil60> Thanks guys...I might try again later
[08:04] <jellybean> Good morning all
[08:04] <jellybean> Is there a recommended procedure for installing Ubuntu Server to a compact flash drive?
[09:52] <DarkStar1> hi all.. Is there anyway I can increase the size of a directory? specifically one under the /var tree
[09:59] <chmac> DarkStar1: Directories don't have sizes exactly, unless you put more stuff into the directory, in which case it'll get "bigger"
[09:59] <chmac> DarkStar1: Or are you running out of space?
[10:00] <DarkStar1> chmac: I ran out of space.  Will have to trythat later. thanks
[10:16] <chmac> DarkStar1: Have you been using the machine for a while?
[10:16] <chmac> DarkStar1: You could also repartition it, that's one advantage of software raid, you can repartition on the fly.
[10:16] <chmac> DarkStar1: I wouldn't recommend it with a production system, but ovh provide 100G of ftp backup, so you can push a backup to be doubly safe, take one disk out of the raid array, repartition, bring it back into the array, resync, wait, repeat.
[10:17] <DarkStar1> chmac: for over a week now. I've been setting it up for a client and there a few sites hosted on it so
[10:17] <DarkStar1> far
[10:17] <chmac> DarkStar1: In that case you definitely want to repartition, all your /var/www/ and /var/logs/ will be on that 10G root partition, likewise /var/lib/mysql
[10:17] <DarkStar1> Oh..  Lots of it. the mail archve I was trying to migrate is 100Gb zipped up
[10:26] <chmac> DarkStar1: Then you want a spinning disk!
[10:30] <RoyK> [slightly offtopic] hm... I just upgraded a server install to Quantal and installed ubuntu-desktop on it, and lightdm doesnt't start automatically
[10:33] <AlexO> Hey, I opened the 3306 port (for mysql) but when I'm trying to connect with telenet on 3306, I get a connect refused, the strangest this is, that it's was working yesterday, but today It's not working anymore...
[10:33] <AlexO> any ideas?
[10:33] <AlexO> -this+thing*
[10:34] <Lachezar> AlexO: netstat -antup | grep 3306 shows?
[10:35] <AlexO> "tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3306            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      15568/mysqld"
[10:36] <Lachezar> AlexO: That seems OK. Are you sure you're telnet-ing into the right address?
[10:37] <AlexO> Lachezar: yep, I just checked it again
[10:38] <RoyK> AlexO: using ufw?
[10:38] <AlexO> RoyK: iptables
[10:41] <RoyK> AlexO: turn on logging in iptables, then, or just use ufw
[10:41]  * RoyK uses ufw for 95% of his work
[10:41] <DarkStar1> I only know a little iptables and 0 about ufw
[10:42] <AlexO> RoyK: what do you mean but turn on logigng in iptables? You mean open the 3306 port ?
[10:42] <AlexO> by*
[10:44] <AlexO> I'm runing out of batery, need to find a plug brb
[10:44] <AlexO> if you have any idea let me know my screen will still be there
[10:45] <DarkStar1> AlexO: he means you should enable iptables logging so that you can see infomation about the firewall
[12:32] <jamespage> rbasak, is the subarch support SRU required to support diff arm archs?
[12:32] <rbasak> jamespage: yes, but also any arch at all
[12:32] <rbasak> jamespage: any ARM arch at all I mean
[12:33] <jamespage> rbasak, ack
[12:35] <jamespage> rbasak, looking at the branch now
[12:35] <rbasak> thanks!
[12:36] <jamespage> rbasak, 02- patch is missing from the branch :-(
[12:37] <rbasak> jamespage: well that's embarrassing :-/
[12:37]  * rbasak digs it out
[12:37] <jamespage> rbasak, lol
[12:38] <rbasak> jamespage: wondering how best to recover from this
[12:39] <rbasak> jamespage: another upload with a bumped ubuntu revision?
[12:39] <jamespage> rbasak, just push a new version to the branch
[12:39] <rbasak> jamespage: roaksoax has already uploaded - it's in the unapproved queue
[12:39] <jamespage> rbasak, ah! I wish he'd commented.
[12:39] <jamespage> I think we can get that rejected
[12:40] <rbasak> jamespage: ok, so do I need to bump the version, or does it count as not published?
[12:40] <rbasak> I suppose nobody will have been able to install from it if it never actually entered precise-proposed?
[12:40] <jamespage> rbasak, no - its not been published anywhere yet!
[12:40] <rbasak> OK
[12:40] <jamespage> rbasak, oh - was the upload for quantal or precise?
[12:41] <rbasak> jamespage: both. roaksoax took the change upstream for quantal I think, and uploaded precise as-is
[12:41] <jamespage> rbasak, sorry - LP was confusing me
[12:42] <jamespage> rbasak, actually it looks OK in the queue
[12:42] <jamespage> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/118134341/maas-enlist_0.4-0ubuntu1.1_0.4-0ubuntu1.2.diff.gz
[12:42] <rbasak> jamespage: I'm confused. How? Or does that mean that roaksoax noticed and fixed it up? Also the pocket was wrong, which I know he fixed
[12:43] <jamespage> rbasak, I suspect roaksoax fixed you up :-)
[12:43] <rbasak> thanks roaksoax :)
[12:44]  * rbasak commits fixes to the branch anyway
[12:44] <rbasak> At least it should match now
[12:44] <rbasak> jamespage: sorry for the mess!
[12:44] <jamespage> rbasak, no problem
[12:44] <jamespage> rbasak, story of my day today
[12:44] <jamespage> looking at stuff thats already been done!
[13:31] <jamespage> zul: ^^ nova upgrade bug
[13:33] <zul> jamespage: not cool
[13:50] <selvodka> hello
[13:54] <Ulfr> I just switched my frontend webservers from CentOS to Ubuntu because of an issue with PCRE, but now I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem my servers have after about a day of uptime where sessions will stack up in HAProxy and I haven't the foggiest why. Can anyone help me get started with troubleshooting?
[13:57] <Ulfr> I use HAProxy to load balance to squid reverse proxies running apache2 on ubuntu 10.04 if that helps
[14:01] <Mupfi> hi there :-)
[14:03] <Mupfi> anybody here who is familiar with kerberos?
[14:03] <feisar> hi what's the fix for the 'waiting for network configuration' on every boot with 12.04?
[14:04] <Mupfi> i have problems with the krb5-kdc which woulden't start
[14:04] <Mupfi> krb5kdc: cannot initialize realm ALKAR.INTERN - see log file for details
[14:05] <Mupfi> and the logfile tell me "krb5kdc: No such file or directory - while initializing database for realm ALKAR.INTERN"
[14:48] <hallyn> smb: hi, bug 914788, it's marked fix released and nominated for oneiric.  but you seem to be talking about q new quantal patch?
[14:50] <smb> hallyn, Yes, since George made the patch for q but probably should have done a new report
[14:51] <jamespage> zul, I enjoyed that bug ^^
[14:51] <smb> Things broke again after Debian removed the alternates setting which created xen-default link
[14:51] <zul> i did as well :)
[14:51] <hallyn> smb: can you mark it Triaged again?
[14:51] <hallyn> I'll push the fix this afternoon then.  tuesday is freeze :)
[14:52] <smb> hallyn, not sure I can do that, but in theory we probably should make the main task triaged again and add a precise task marked fixed?
[14:53] <smb> hallyn, Yeah, seem you have to accept the nomination at least.
[14:54] <hallyn> smb: sigh, ok, let me set them how I THINK you mean them
[14:55] <smb> hallyn, I could do the rest, I just cannot accept nominations for anything I cannot upload
[14:55] <hallyn> smb: can you reload and tell me if that's ok?
[14:55] <hallyn> smb: and then you're saying i can just take that patch, pop it onto quantal package, and expect itto work?
[14:56] <smb> hallyn, I looks like I thought (probably need to decide to won't fix for O) and no not that simple
[14:57] <smb> hallyn, Not sure it helps you but I liked a branch
[14:57] <smb> hallyn, A bzr branch. Basically I had to pop back to the old patch and have pushed the modified ones on top
[14:57] <hallyn> oh, *linked* a branch :)
[14:57] <hallyn> i thought you were facebooking
[14:57] <smb> errr yeah... :-P no
[14:57] <smb> Just missing keys
[14:58] <hallyn> smb: so does the branch work?
[14:58] <smb> hallyn, I did the test-build from that
[14:58] <hallyn> smb: ok, thanks.  lemme look at it
[14:58] <SpamapS> smb: so, any progress?
[14:58] <SpamapS> smb: have not looked through my bugmail yet today
[14:59] <smb> SpamapS, Tsk, well it works for me which is not progress I guess. And I asked for a more detailed list of steps
[14:59] <smb> SpamapS, Not sure whether there is any special network setup involved or so
[15:01] <SpamapS> smb: let me try my reproduction steps one more time..
[15:06] <SpamapS> smb: hm, doing the basic steps doesn't cause it.. I'll try again with juju, maybe it is doing something special
[15:07] <smb> SpamapS, Maybe I prepare another kernel in parallel that logs a lot of stack traces (for every dev_hold and dev_put). Its ugly but if you are the only one to be lucky I would let you run it and post the results. :)
[15:09] <SpamapS> smb: for sure :)
[15:11] <SpamapS> smb: indeed, something juju is doing in its destroy-environment is causing the issue reliably.. will boil it down to a test case
[15:33] <hallyn> smb: i dunno, patch looks good to me (though i can't bzr import it bc of the way you moved the patch around in the queue)  I'll run the qa regression tests against it, then push the package from source
[15:35] <smb> hallyn, Grr and I was just using quilt and bzr locally. :-P But ok, just note patches, because there were two
[15:36] <hallyn> smb: yeah, bzr just doesn't deal well with any sort of funky quilt usage.  but I'm just doing 'bzr bd -S' out of your bzr tree, worked fine, so it'll have both your patches
[15:37] <smb> hallyn, Ok, cool. Yeah, I probably should just have all patches unapplied and then replaced the file before applying them again
[15:43] <smb> SpamapS, If you find a nice test case, please let me (err well the bug report) know. Otherwise the smb2 version is now up.
[15:47] <SpamapS> smb: ok, working on it now
[16:12] <DarkStar1> qq the cron task: 3 0 * * 1/3/5  will run this task 0003 every mon-wed-friday right?
[16:19] <DarkStar1> No one here?
[16:19] <kendosan> hello guys, when i put my bash command in startup, when i reboot everything runs , but the bashscript that runs gives me error ffmpeg not found,  i run a nohup on startup
[16:19] <kendosan> so im not sure what is wrong
[16:19] <kendosan> when i cd in directory and do nohup manualy everything is cool
[16:19] <Guest54412> hmm does anyone here have lamp installed
[16:19] <patdk-lap> kendosan, that doesn't tell you anything?
[16:20] <kendosan> hmm thats the thing im not sure what im doing :(
[16:21] <kendosan> for example on startup commandline nohup sh /var/www/bash/nohup.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 &
[16:22] <sarnold> kendosan: try without throwing away the error messages..
[16:22] <kendosan> er i will try
[16:22] <patdk-lap> kendosan, oviously your ENVIROMENT is different
[16:22] <patdk-lap> different path settings and other things
[16:23] <kendosan> patdk, what do you mean ? i run ubuntu server 12.04 64bit
[16:23] <TJ-> kendosan: Which 'nohup' is start-up using? The shell's version, or "/usr/bin/nohup" ? They have differences, especially if the start-up script isn't using a log-in shell
[16:23] <kendosan> just a second please :)
[16:23] <sarnold> TJ-: oh? I hadn't heard this :) thanks for the heads up.
[16:23] <kendosan> i put the nohup commandline here  /etc/rc.local
[16:24] <patdk-lap> so no login, so you can't depend on anything being right
[16:24] <patdk-lap> and have to make sure path and all are specified
[16:24] <kendosan> it executes but, the thing is it does not run, when i type it in manual way :O
[16:24] <kendosan> maybe im just confused with all this :D
[16:25] <TJ-> kendosan: Usually that's because the shell environment at start-up is minimal compared to a log-in shell. Best debugging is to insert, in your start-up shell, a debug line of the form "env > /tmp/start-up.log" so you can look at the env it runs with
[16:26] <kendosan> thanks i will try to do that
[16:26] <TJ-> kendosan: s/your start-up shell/your start-up shell script/'
[16:26] <hallyn> smb: my build of your libvirt tree oddly fails on an augeas lens test
[16:27] <smb> hallyn, there is lenses in libvirt???
[16:27] <hallyn> in the tests, yeah
[16:27] <hallyn> biam
[16:29] <smb> Weird I have created a source package from my tree and ran it though sbuild... my only problem there is building sometimes ending up in /build which then bails because of an overlayfs bug
[16:29] <smb> The second attempt with /build diverted to non-overlayed /home/... did succeed
[16:30] <DarkStar1> the cron task: 3 0 * * 1-5/2  will run this task every mon-wed-friday right?
[16:30] <DarkStar1> I'm new to this
[16:31] <DarkStar1> the aim is that it will run it at 0003h on those days.
[16:32] <SpamapS> smb: installing your kernel next
[16:33] <SpamapS> smb: the test case is still the same... just start and stop a container
[16:33] <DarkStar1> no one know?
[16:33] <sarnold> DarkStar1: that's how I read it as well
[16:33] <sarnold> DarkStar1: though I'd probably use 1,3,5
[16:33] <sarnold> no longer, no shorter, but more explicit
[16:33] <SpamapS> smb: note that the container I start/stop also does an apt-get upgrade.. I wonder if there's something weird in there
[16:33] <DarkStar1> sarnold: ok
[16:34] <DarkStar1> with the commas right? I'm new to task automation.
[16:35] <sarnold> DarkStar1: yes, with the commas
[16:35] <smb> SpamapS, Hm, at least a bit more usage of the net devices. And the container is just created with "lxc-create -t ubuntu -n name -- -r quantal" ?
[16:41] <SpamapS> smb: -t ubuntu-cloud
[16:41] <SpamapS> smb: and -r precise
[16:42] <SpamapS> smb: actually there's also some userdata fed in which does an apt-get upgrade and installs a few things...
[16:43] <smb> SpamapS, I guess I will better wait for your detailed description... ;-P
[16:44] <SpamapS> smb: you can use my juju branch which does it reliably..
[16:44] <SpamapS> smb: bzr branch lp:~clint-fewbar/juju/local-cloud-img
[16:45] <SpamapS> smb: from that dir, PYTHONPATH=$PWD PATH=$PWD/bin:$PATH bin/juju bootstrap
[16:45] <SpamapS> smb: and PYTHONPATH=$PWD PATH=$PWD/bin:$PATH bin/juju deploy wordpress
[16:46] <SpamapS> smb: then the same but 'juju destroy-environment'
[16:46] <smb> SpamapS, Probably you should write that down then *in* the bug report. My memory is very limited (especially when it is actually the weekend)
[16:47] <SpamapS> smb: I'm hoping to have a lower level reproducer
[16:48] <smb> SpamapS, Me too :)
[16:51] <SpamapS> smb: so far, unable to reproduce with your stacktrace happy kernel
[16:52] <SpamapS> smb: n/m, reproduced
[16:52] <SpamapS> smb: want syslog?
[16:52] <smb> SpamapS, Yes please in the bug report.
[16:53] <smb> SpamapS, Probably just a matter of timing as it now is a bit slower with the lots of output
[17:03] <hallyn> smb: even plain libvirt is faling to build.  hopefully i just messed up my localhost, lemme try on a clean instance
[17:05] <smb> hallyn, Yeah, hopefully. Well, in some way. But I could not explain how that test did not bother me otherwise...
[17:27] <frojnd> Hi there. I don't know why but when I try to change /etc/motd as root it won't update it. And when I reopen file with vim it's still last message
[17:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: did you come up with a plan for bisecting btw?
[17:28] <hallyn> SpamapS: bisecting what?
[17:28] <SpamapS> hallyn: I can reproduce 100% of the time on this hardware with the fairly lengthy steps I posted in the bug.. but have not yet boiled it down to anything less than a long juju deploy/destroy
[17:28] <sarnold> frojnd: see update-motd(5)
[17:29] <SpamapS> hallyn: netns bug
[17:29] <hallyn> SpamapS: so you can't reproduce with the test program attached to the bug?
[17:29] <SpamapS> hallyn: no, this is a different problem
[17:29] <SpamapS> hallyn: the simple fix of flushing the route cache addressed that
[17:30] <hallyn> are you sure there's no zombie tasks pinning the netns?
[17:30] <SpamapS> hallyn: to reproduce I have to boot up an ubuntu-cloud based container and then stop it
[17:30] <frojnd> This happens if I'm editing with nano too.. So I must do something wrong. Why after editing /etc/motd as root this new login message won't exist?
[17:30] <SpamapS> hallyn: no, how would I check?
[17:30] <hallyn> anyway no, i've been leaving that to smb to not reproduce effort
[17:30] <hallyn> ps -ef should show the defunct tasks...
[17:30] <SpamapS> nothing there
[17:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: what is the bug#?
[17:30] <SpamapS> bug #1021471
[17:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: I posted the steps to reproduce using my juju branch
[17:31] <hallyn> SpamapS: given that it conflicts with the bug which smb did fix, i'm not sure we can bisect now :)
[17:31] <hallyn> still i could try.  but if smb thinks he's about got it nailed...
[17:32] <smb> hallyn, No not that one. Just got data for it to look trhough
[17:32] <hallyn> ok.  lemme finis up the libvirt one and then i'll see if i can reproduce and join the party
[17:33] <smb> hallyn, Though if you want to run bisecting maybe from the other end (take our mainline kernels between 3.2 and 3.6 as a start)
[17:33] <smb> Usually it turns out to be one -rc1 and then the fun begins
[17:34] <smb> Err make that 3.5
[17:34] <hallyn> smb: happy to.  i was going to do linus' tree, what do you mean by 'our mainline'?  (i think i can find it from old emails, but if you have git url handy...)
[17:34] <hallyn> right :)
[17:34] <hallyn> 3.2..3.6 was going to be my range
[17:34] <hallyn> uh 3.5  wtf?
[17:35] <smb> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:35] <hallyn> thanks.  ttyl
[17:36] <frojnd> Is there a manual or something how to change default ssh login prompt? Changing /etc/motd as root doesn't work unfortunatelly.
[17:36] <smb> Well, we know 3.5 is broken (3.6 apparently not) So you could go that way as well, but at least for that I know that the removed the route cache for one thing
[17:36] <hallyn> yeah, i meant 3.5, i don't knwo why i keep mistyping.  ttyl :)
[17:49] <SpamapS> hallyn: while you're still playing, I'm going to try 3.4.12-quantal
[17:49] <SpamapS> hallyn: as in, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.4.12-quantal/
[17:50] <hallyn> sounds good.
[18:09] <hallyn> smb: regression tests still running;  built fine on fresh instance;  intend to push this afternoon.
[18:10] <hallyn> zul: you have no libvirt changes to push to quantal right?
[18:10] <zul> nope
[18:10] <smb> hallyn, ok, phew
[18:26] <SpamapS> hallyn: I am unable to reproduce on 3.4.12 btw
[18:27] <hallyn> SpamapS: in your recipe, should i just 'apt-get install juju'?
[18:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: no
[18:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: it shows, bzr branch the specific branch I'm using
[18:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: it still happens with stock juju, but not as frequently for some reason
[18:27] <hallyn> you don't show building/installing it
[18:27] <SpamapS> bzr branch
[18:27] <SpamapS> just run it from there
[18:28] <hallyn> i did bzr branch, entered it, then you say run 'juju', but juju was not installed (and ./juju is a dir)
[18:28] <hallyn> oh hm
[18:29] <hallyn> so it should be coming from my new path.  but it's not happy with it.  why?
[18:29] <hallyn> (checking)
[18:29] <SpamapS> I set PATH :)
[18:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: well i've since apt-get installed juju, and id o see juju in my path, so i'm guessing there was a dependency of juju which wasn't installed.  (the error has scrolled off ths creen)
[18:30] <hallyn> proceeding
[18:31] <SpamapS> ahh right
[18:31] <SpamapS> python-txzookeeper or python-txaws or twisted or something like that :-P
[18:33] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, so in the interest of narrowing your bisect ... 3.4.12 is fine.. what would be the other end of the spectrum to try? 3.5.5?
[18:38] <hallyn> SpamapS: not sure, hold on lemme check around which release the route cache was removed
[18:38] <hallyn> btw, first attempt on c1.xlarge did NOT reproduce.  trying again
[18:38] <SpamapS> hallyn: if it fails again, perhaps let me login and I'll see if there are assumptions I've left out
[18:39] <hallyn> heck, the commit "ipv4: reintroduce route cache garbage collector" sounds suspicious :)
[18:41] <SpamapS> hallyn: hah yeah
[18:41] <hallyn> SpamapS: 3.5-rc7 did not have commit 89aef8921bfbac22f00e04f8450f6e447db13e42.  3.6 did.  (that being the commit removing the routing cache)
[18:41] <SpamapS> hallyn: I haven't actually confirmed that 3.6 doesn't reproduce with my particular issue
[18:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, 3.5.5 does reproduce
[18:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: also reproduces with the original reproducer, so no news there
[18:44] <SpamapS> [  191.483843] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2
[18:44] <SpamapS> thats 2, so route cache + "the other thing"
[18:44] <hallyn> SpamapS: hrmph, juju seems to have messed with my ptys
[18:44] <SpamapS> hallyn: ??
[18:45] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, so I'll try 3.6-rc1 next
[18:46] <hallyn> i ran 'juju bootstrap' in byobu, exited the shell, and now defunct java tasks are pinning /dev/pts/1, and re-starting byobu hangs
[18:46] <hallyn> rebooting, not sure what state i just left things in... sigh
[18:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: oh thats interesting.. zookeeper should have daemonized.
[18:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: thats likely the culprit there
[18:49] <SpamapS> hallyn: so i'll do 3.6-rc1, and then 3.5-rc7
[18:52] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah looks like we need to use start-stop-daemon to run ZK so it will let go of the terminal
[18:52] <SpamapS> hallyn: you should have just killed the java process
[18:57] <SpamapS> hallyn: AHA!
[18:57] <SpamapS> hallyn: 3.6 still has it
[18:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: well, 3.6-rc1
[18:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: so, the route cache issue is separate
[18:58] <SpamapS> [  253.892068] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1
[18:58] <SpamapS> thats on 3.6 rc1
[19:01] <smb> SpamapS, Unfortunately there are a few additions to the whole mess that are (or where) not even in upstream linux when I looked last
[19:02] <SpamapS> smb: well I think you were looking at the route cache issue and using stgraber's reproducer only
[19:02] <hallyn> SpamapS: interesting
[19:02] <SpamapS> trying 3.6-quantal now
[19:03] <smb> I was also following a few hints from upstream, but they pointed to a follow up on things that happened after removing the route cache. So things may have gone jojo
[19:04] <SpamapS> well if nothing else, its clear that this is a separate bug from the route cache issue
[19:04] <hallyn> SpamapS:  it might be worth opening a separate upstream kernel bugzilla
[19:04] <hallyn> except, of course, we probably need a reproducer outside of juju :)
[19:05] <SpamapS> yeah
[19:05] <SpamapS> I think its something in the timing
[19:06] <SpamapS> hallyn: lxc-stop returns immediately, right, you still need lxc-wait to know that it is stopped?
[19:08] <hallyn> SpamapS: i think so, though the python api one can wait iirc
[19:09] <hallyn> SpamapS: though lxc_stop "sort of" waits, by waiting for the monitor socket to close
[19:11] <SpamapS> ah ok
[19:12] <SpamapS> weird.. why do our cloud images have ntfs installed? :-P
[19:12] <Daviey> SpamapS: ntfs ebs volume ! :)
[19:13] <SpamapS> so much win
[19:13] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, confirmed still in 3.6
[19:13] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'll try to boil this down to at least just lxc commands to reproduce
[19:16] <hallyn> SpamapS: gah, no, can't reproduce on amazon with juju.  i'll just try quickly running lxc testsuite and see ifthat helps
[19:16] <hallyn> smb: libvirt pushed, thanks.
[19:16] <smb> hallyn, At least something that worked today. :)
[19:16] <smb> thanks
[19:17] <hallyn> haha no kidding.  still no idea about psivaa's bug
[19:18] <hallyn> mdeslaur: if i said that after psivaa installs a new quantal desktop and installs kvm, then virt-manager, virt-manager fails to create/start VMs, but once you manually create one with virsh define and start that, then virt-manager succeeds
[19:18] <hallyn> mdeslaur: would that ring any bells for you?
[19:18] <mdeslaur> hallyn: no...what does virt-manager do?
[19:18] <hallyn> my only guess would be bad perms inside /var/lib/libvirt/images, but that doesn't really make sense either
[19:19] <hallyn> it manages to start kvm, but then kvm bombs with with -EPERM trying to actually use kvm
[19:19] <hallyn> (as seen in the /var/lib/libvirt/qemu/x.log)
[19:19] <hallyn> the bug # is 1057024 fwiw
[19:22] <mdeslaur> hallyn: trying on a fresh install now
[19:23] <hallyn> mdeslaur: thanks.  i've tried that 3 times no with no success, maybe i'm unconsciously doing something blatantly different...
[19:23] <mdeslaur> hallyn: with no success? you mean you couldn't reproduce his issue, or you couldn't get it to work?
[19:24] <hallyn> couldn't reproduce it
[19:24] <hallyn> worked for me every time
[19:29] <mdeslaur> hallyn: worked fine for me
[19:29] <mdeslaur> hallyn: not sure what's going wrong for him
[19:30] <mdeslaur> hallyn: hardware problem?
[19:31] <hallyn> mdeslaur: kvm does run fine by hand, or using 'virsh'.
[19:32] <hallyn> mdeslaur: but there are funky /dev/sda errors in syslog
[19:32] <hallyn> worse, psivaa has *two* machiens that do it
[19:32] <mdeslaur> hallyn: hrm
[19:32] <hallyn> so i started wondering if there is a corrupt archiv emirror...
[19:32] <hallyn> i dunno
[19:33] <mdeslaur> hallyn: I did a fresh install, dit "apt-get install virt-manager", did "apt-get install qemu-kvm", added myself to the libvirtd group, rebooted and everything worked
[19:33] <hallyn> mdeslaur: thanks for trying.  i'm out of ideas
[19:34] <hallyn> psivaa: any chance you can post dmesg from the other machine that also does this for you?  (to the bug)
[19:34] <hallyn> are they the same kind of laptop?
[19:37] <mdeslaur> hallyn: my iso was in my home directory, not sure that's relevant
[19:38] <hallyn> mdeslaur: hm, so was mine.
[19:40] <bgoliveira> Hello everyone. Could anyone can explain me why /etc/resolf.conf turns into a sym link to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf ?
[19:41] <bgoliveira> I'm having to upgrate my servers from 11.04 to 12.04 ...and I just realised this because a normal user can not use the host comand.
[19:41] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok so here is how lxc-create is invoked..
[19:41] <SpamapS> 3742  execve("/usr/bin/lxc-create", ["lxc-create", "-n", "clint-local-ci-ubuntu-0", "-t", "ubuntu-cloud", "--", "--debug", "--hostid", "clint-local-ci-ubuntu-0", "-r", "precise", "--userdata", "/tmp/tmplp3Y7E"], [/* 13 vars */]) = 0
[19:41] <sarnold> bgoliveira: it's part of the 'resolvconf' package, which rewrites the resolv.conf file for different name servers based on dhcp results
[19:42] <SpamapS> hallyn: and lxc-start..
[19:42] <SpamapS> 3816  execve("/usr/bin/sudo", ["sudo", "lxc-start", "--daemon", "-n", "clint-local-ci-ubuntu-0", "-l", "DEBUG", "-o", "/home/clint/.juju/data/clint-local-ci/units/ubuntu-0/container.log"], [/* 21 vars */]) = 0
[19:42] <SpamapS> followed by..
[19:42] <SpamapS> 3820  execve("/usr/bin/sudo", ["sudo", "lxc-wait", "-n", "clint-local-ci-ubuntu-0", "-s", "RUNNING"], [/* 21 vars */]) = 0
[19:43] <psivaa> hallyn, dmesg attached to the bug
[19:43] <hallyn> psivaa: thanks
[19:44] <mdeslaur> hallyn: this is definitely odd: Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied
[19:44] <hallyn> SpamapS: hm, precise container, <shrug> maybe that makes a difference
[19:44] <psivaa> hallyn, one of them is Hp pavilion g6 and the other is Dell Inspiron
[19:44] <hallyn> mdeslaur: right.
[19:44] <SpamapS> hallyn: sure, I'll try a quantal container
[19:45] <hallyn> psivaa: and so where do you store the iso for virt-manager to pick up?
[19:46] <mdeslaur> psivaa: what's "getfacl /dev/kvm" show?
[19:46] <bgoliveira> sarnold for example, I can ping a website. But, ping only can resolv the name because it has a SUID bit active. Host doesn't have a SUID bit active ... any ideia?
[19:47] <Daviey> woot, sbeattie extended his ~ubuntu-server membership.. Great to have you. :)
[19:49] <mdeslaur> psivaa: ?
[19:50] <hallyn> mdeslaur: i fear it's way past EOD for psivaa
[19:50] <mdeslaur> hallyn: consolekit is supposed to set extended acls on the kvm device to your user
[19:50] <psivaa> mdeslaur, hallyn, ohh the iso's are stored on in desktop in one machine and home/myname/iso/ubuntu in anouter
[19:51] <mdeslaur> hallyn: maybe he's using some retro-grouch desktop environment
[19:51] <hallyn> mdeslaur: interesting
[19:51] <hallyn> i hate magic
[19:51] <mdeslaur> psivaa: can you do a "getfacl /dev/kvm"?
[19:52] <psivaa> mdeslaur, just added to the bug
[19:53] <hallyn> mdeslaur: but, /dev/kvm is group kvm, group read-write, and libvirt-qemu user is in default group kvm...
[19:53] <hallyn> so unless virt-manager manages to run kvm not in libvirt-qemu user, ...
[19:54] <mdeslaur> hallyn: he has group::---
[19:54] <mdeslaur> hallyn: incorrect permissions, kvm group doesn't have proper rights
[19:54] <mdeslaur> hallyn: (yeah, the extended acl isn't used)
[19:54] <psivaa> hallyn, mdeslaur on the other machine which now works after following th wiki from hallyn i have group::rw-
[19:55] <mdeslaur> psivaa: so something is breaking the permissions on that device
[19:56] <mdeslaur> psivaa: do you have /lib/udev/rules.d/40-qemu-kvm.rules ?
[19:57] <hallyn> SpamapS: say, ...  you're using juju, so you're not using lxcbr0?  are you using virbr0?
[19:57] <hallyn> well you're not specifying -f, so i guess you must be using lxcbr0
[19:57] <psivaa> mdeslaur, yes
[19:57] <SpamapS> hallyn: this branch does use lxcbr0
[19:58] <hallyn> SpamapS: sadly, i still can't reproduce.
[19:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah I'm working out a series of lxc-* commands to do it
[19:58] <hallyn> doing a loop of while [ $c -lt 100 ]; do sudo lxc-start -n p1 -d & sudo lxc-wait -n p1 -s RUNNING; sudo lxc-stop -n p1; done
[19:58] <hallyn> SpamapS: can you pastebin your userdata file?
[19:59] <psivaa> mdeslaur, just to make sure, i did a fresh quantal install, i did apt-get install kvm and install virtual machine manager using software centre, addded the user to the group and logged out and in back
[19:59] <SpamapS> hallyn: sure
[19:59] <SpamapS> hallyn: thats part of what I'm working on :)
[19:59] <mdeslaur> psivaa: quite odd, I'm not sure how your permissions get like that
[20:00] <mdeslaur> psivaa: if you reboot, do they go back to normal?
[20:02] <psivaa> mdeslaur, i'm not sure which permissions do you mean here, but rebooting alone did not solve the issue, it was running the sequence given in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergeHallyn_libvirtnest and then reboot solved it
[20:02] <hallyn> mdeslaur: on the other machine of psivaa's, definately /dev/kvm was rw-rw---- when it was not working
[20:02] <mdeslaur> hallyn: so, two different problems then
[20:03] <Daviey> SpamapS: Hey, are we expecting another juju upload?
[20:03] <mdeslaur> hallyn: it definitely can't work if the kvm group doesn't have access
[20:03] <psivaa> mdeslaur, although i only tried once with the wiki sequence, i could try once more if you think its needed
[20:03] <hallyn> mdeslaur: yeah...  actually, psivaa, wasn't that other lapto (with bad kvm perms) one you had a bad upgrade on?
[20:03] <Daviey> SpamapS: specifically, i want bug 1061286 included :)
[20:03] <gholms> smoser: Any idea why the resizefs cloud-init module opts to create a new device node?
[20:04] <gholms> I *suspect* it's so it doesn't have to attempt to locate the one under /dev, but I'd like to be sure.
[20:05] <SpamapS> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1262631/
[20:05] <SpamapS> Daviey: yes I am, and it would include that
[20:05] <SpamapS> Daviey: hoping on Tuesday or Wednesday
[20:05] <hallyn> psivaa: if you reboot the second machine, which doesn't have group write perms on /dev/kvm (as shown by getfacl), does /dev/kvm *then* have group write perms?
[20:06] <Daviey> SpamapS: do you care if i monkey that patch in now, with your upload superseeding it?
[20:06] <smoser> gholms, yes.
[20:06] <smoser> how else would it figure out the device name ?
[20:06] <SpamapS> Daviey: go ahead, we may not get our act together for this 0.6 release in time to squeeze it into quantal
[20:07] <smoser> so it just doesn't bother.
[20:07] <Daviey> SpamapS: ok, thanks
[20:07] <gholms> smoser: By looking it up in /proc/partitions?
[20:07] <gholms> smoser: The problem I'm running into here is that Fedora and friends mount /run with nodev.
[20:07] <gholms> Same with /tmp and a host of other things.  :-\
[20:10] <smoser> gholms, we could just make it in /dev/
[20:10] <smoser> that is likely to not be mounted without 'nodev'
[20:10] <smoser> :)
[20:10] <smoser> err.. wahtever . i meant that probably we can create device nodes in /dev/
[20:10] <smoser> just try that rather than /tmp
[20:11] <smoser> it seems wasteful and pointless to find do a stat on /, get exactly the data we need, then to go looking in some other location for a name that doesnt matter.
[20:13] <gholms> Heh
[20:13] <gholms> smoser: Would you be against a patch that just grabs the device numbers from /, looks up the matching blockdev in /proc/partitions, and uses that directly?
[20:14] <gholms> I mean, I get *why* it works the way it does.
[20:14] <gholms> It just... adds more variables that can break.
[20:15] <sbeattie> Daviey: I like to delude myself into believing I know something about servers.
[20:15] <SpamapS> sbeattie: you know nothing john snow
[20:15] <smoser> gholms, it is less variables.
[20:15]  * SpamapS apologizes.. the GoT withdrawals are getting intense
[20:16] <smoser> you're suggesting more variables (parsing /proc/partitions incorrectly, or /proc not being mounted)
[20:16] <SpamapS> hallyn: success!
[20:16] <sbeattie> SpamapS: no worries... Winter is coming. :)
[20:16] <SpamapS> hallyn: I have a simpler reproducer now
[20:16] <gholms> smoser: touché
[20:16] <smoser> just make the device in /dev/.tmp.cloudinit
[20:16]  * gholms hrms
[20:16] <gholms> Yeah, that's probably the best bet at this point.
[20:16] <Daviey> sbeattie: hah, get a grip.. you've probably done more server package uploads than me :)
[20:17] <SpamapS> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1262645/
[20:17] <SpamapS> hallyn: now, here's the tough part.. it only seems to happen if you wait for the system to fully boot
[20:17] <SpamapS> hallyn: the way that script works, you have to press enter after cloud-init says "done booting"
[20:17] <SpamapS> hallyn: interrupting it earlier seems to not reproduce
[20:17] <SpamapS> hallyn: which should actually help narrow down what is causing the issue
[20:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: I need to take a break and get some lunch, but hopefully that helps
[20:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: I wonder if the proprietary WL driver has anything to do with this.
[20:25] <psivaa> hallyn, yes the bad upgrade one is the one with wrong permissions, to check if rebooting recovers the group permissions, i need to reboot *this machine,
[20:28] <Daviey> SpamapS: fancy reviewing http://pb.daviey.com/wTv8/ ?
[20:33] <psivaa> hallyn, mdeslaur rebooting has made the getfacl /dev/kvm -> group::rw- and i am able to create vm's now
[20:35] <mdeslaur> psivaa: interesting...maybe the qemu-kvm postinst isn't setting the device permissions as intended
[20:37] <hallyn> mdeslaur: in the past psivaa has shown /dev/kvm perms to b eright when still unable to create vms
[20:37] <mdeslaur> hallyn: ok
[20:38] <mdeslaur> hallyn: I just confirmed postinst seems to work too, so it's not that
[20:38] <mdeslaur> hallyn: I'm stumped now
[20:39] <psivaa> mdeslaur, im doing a fresh quantal install now ill let you know if rebooting alone gives the req'd permission, iirc it did not,
[20:39] <mdeslaur> psivaa: ok. I'm eod, but leave the info in the bug.
[20:40] <psivaa> mdeslaur, ack
[20:40] <Daviey> SpamapS: would also seem prudent to include http://pb.daviey.com/0DDk/ i guess
[20:48] <SpamapS> Daviey: indeed, that one fixes canonistack
[20:48] <Daviey> SpamapS: you don't make my life easier, you know. :P
[20:48] <SpamapS> Daviey: why not just make a snapshot from trunk?
[20:49] <Daviey> SpamapS: well it's getting that way... you know the CURRENT package FTBFS?
[20:49] <SpamapS> no
[20:49] <SpamapS> but I suspect its a race
[20:49] <SpamapS> had to retry the PPA builds a few times
[20:49] <SpamapS> anyway, I have not eaten yet, and I think if I delay any further my stomach will eat me
[20:49] <Daviey> ok
[20:51] <hallyn> SpamapS: can you use the laptop over wired and not load the proprietary wireless driver?
[21:03] <hallyn> SpamapS: nope, repro.sh still doesn't reproduce it here.  jinkeys!  lemme try that laptop over yonder
[21:20] <hallyn> SpamapS: nope, not there either
[21:44] <SpamapS> hallyn: this one has no wired conn.. but I can try w/ my pro
[21:46] <SpamapS> hallyn: I suppose I can try w/ everything cached and just shut down wireless too
[21:53] <hallyn> SpamapS: yup, should work.  of course it's still possible that it's just your fast ssd making it happen
[21:57] <SpamapS> hallyn: I've had it work quite a high percentage of the time on the spinning rust too
[21:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok I forgot to rmmod wl .. but it did happen while on wired LAN and eth1 (wl) was down
[22:02] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, actually, no.. it was the route cache one
[22:02] <SpamapS> hallyn: so indeed, it may only be my air that reproduces with the route cache fix smb made
[22:32] <hallyn> utlemming: precise cloud images have empty /dev
[22:33] <utlemming> hallyn: I think that might affect oneiric and quantal too
[22:34] <utlemming> hallyn: I believe that it is excluded in the build since the initramfs populates it
[22:34] <SpamapS> hallyn: progress! it only happens when wl is involved
[22:35] <hallyn> utlemming: no, quantal has /dev populated
[22:35] <utlemming> hallyn: right, I just checked....
[22:35] <hallyn> utlemming: ok, i just wanted to make sure it wasn't intentional
[22:36] <utlemming> hallyn: nope...I'll check into what is happening
[22:36] <SpamapS> hallyn: oo, and rmmod on wl makes the problem go away
[22:36] <SpamapS> err no
[22:36] <SpamapS> ignore that
[22:37] <hallyn> utlemming: great, thanks
[22:40] <basil60> hi i've had complaints from isp about my home network sending unsolicited emails. I've run some "extensive" tests on my pc, and found nothing. I suspect it may come from my linux server (ubuntu 11.04). Any suggestions on how I may test it?
[22:41] <sarnold> basil60: if you've got a wordpress or phpbb or something similar installed, that's a reasonable possibility
[22:41] <sarnold> if your machine has been _rooted_, you may not be able to do much examining "from inside" the system. But if it is a simple / stupid exploit, it might be fixable from within...
[22:42] <basil60> not running Wordpress
[22:42] <basil60> I ran "rootkitcheck" yesterday - it found nothinh
[22:43] <sarnold> basil60: does 'netstat -anp' show any unexpected connections?
[22:45] <basil60> can i export that netstat command to a text file?
[22:45] <sarnold> netstat -anp > /tmp/file
[22:45] <sarnold> :)
[22:46] <basil60> netstat -anp >/tmp/file/netstat
[22:46] <sarnold> that'll fail unless you already have a /tmp/file directory
[22:46] <sarnold> netstat -anp > /tmp/netstat would work alright
[22:50] <basil60> dovecot appears to be running - wasn't even sure i had that turned on
[23:02] <SpamapS> smb`: so, good news, the problem is just in the wl drivers..
[23:02] <SpamapS> smb`: see bug report for more info
[23:03] <hallyn> SpamapS: ok, i wasn't sure which order the bug and irc comments went in :)  i thought after the lp comment you decided it was NOT jsut the drivers.
[23:03] <hallyn> so, phew ;)
[23:03] <SpamapS> it *is*
[23:03] <hallyn> and, nice reminder about proprietary drivers, i guess
[23:03] <SpamapS> just that you can't rmmod wl to clear it
[23:03] <SpamapS> I thought wl was supposed to be fully free'd at some point
[23:03] <hallyn> so, WOOT!  smb might have it fixed in quantal release then?

[23:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: yes, his last patch addresses the route cache problem that the reproducing C program shows perfectly
[23:04] <hallyn> SpamapS: right, but we're past kernel freeze
[23:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok, so worst case its in that 0-day SRU kernel that we always end up shipping anyway ;)
[23:05]  * SpamapS adds a "its past beer-thirty" disclaimer to that comment
[23:05] <hallyn> all i see there is 'beer', and i'm outta here :)
[23:05] <hallyn> tttyl


[06:37] <zakame> hello
[06:38] <Terminus> heya zakame =)
[06:38] <Terminus> wasn't able to go to the last party. XD
[06:40] <zakame> yeah


[02:15] <zodiak> anyone got any recommendations on a nice/small/quick image viewer ?
[02:15] <zodiak> all these ones that pull in half of kde can jst .. *ahem*
[02:16] <zodiak> preferrably one that works like the old zgv used to (if anyone can remember that ;)
[02:21] <v1adimir> yea the viewer is meh
[02:23] <zodiak> ta
[02:35] <xubuntu798> where can i find a user manual for "blueman"?
[03:29] <c2tarun> Hi friends, anyone using launchy here?
[03:35] <c2tarun> never mind, I found the alternative synapse and its working just fine
[04:28] <unheeding> so i have the flgrx driver installed, and now the boot splash screen doesn't show up - it's just a blank screen until the login screen pops up.   is there a way to fix this?
[04:28] <holstein> unheeding: is it broken?
[04:28] <unheeding> no, it just doesnt show the splash screen
[04:29] <holstein> sure.. is that a problem?
[04:29] <unheeding> not really, i am just a perfectionist
[04:29] <holstein> unheeding: i would ask amd to give you a "perfect" driver.. otherwise, you might just want to tolerate it
[04:30] <XRS1> it is for me.   embedded systems running on flash memory dont show the splash screen and take longer to load. people dont know the thing is on and working properly so they power it down while its booting and get all mad wanting to know why it doesnt work
[04:32] <XRS1> non issue after they see it successfully boot and understand it works fine, it just takes a second to turn on
[04:34] <holstein> i have one of the nvidia/intel ones.. nvidia ion i suppose its called.. i have a different splash depending on which chip im booting
[05:37] <phunyguy_t430s_>  question, I am trying out connecting to file shares on my linux server via gigolo, and SSH.  In the option for "Folder" I am trying to put the remote folder I want it to connect to but it still maps to my home folder on the server no matter what I put
[09:36] <xubuntu658> hi?
[09:36] <xubuntu658> need some help getting started wiht my new Xubuntu
[09:38] <xubuntu658> programs installation step failed during instllation and no GUI was installed. Anybody can tell me how to retry it manually from console?
[09:42] <v1adimir> xubuntu658: hi not sure who's here
[09:43] <xubuntu658> hi vladimir! can you help?
[09:43] <xubuntu658> thnks!
[09:44] <v1adimir> xubuntu658: not really, sorz; just got up and don't know it by heart anyway
[09:45] <xubuntu658> :-(
[09:46] <xubuntu658> hi schlaftier! can you help me, please?
[09:46] <schlaftier> I doubt it :-)
[09:47] <v1adimir> xD
[09:47] <xubuntu658> lol only starters around here i'm afraid?
[10:01] <knome> m00se, mind stopping that?
[10:02] <m00se> stop what
[10:02] <knome> m00se, changing the nick
[10:03] <m00se> get over it - like I do it all the time
[10:03] <m00se> is it breaking your internet or something?
[10:03] <TheSheep> xubuntu658: just do 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[10:04] <TheSheep> m00se: it's spamming the channel
[10:04] <m00se> it isn't spamming anything
[10:04] <TheSheep> !hi | m00se
[10:04] <m00se> it's tweaking your OCD...so please, contain yourself
[10:04] <knome> m00se, unless you're able to follow the channel !guidelines and !coc, please leave
[10:05] <m00se> I have idled in here for over a year and it's the first (and probably only) time you have witnessed it, and I don't feel like I need to write you an apology for 1 minute of your unsolicited attention
[10:05] <m00se> right...no
[10:06] <m00se> kick me if necessary, but I'm not going anywhere
[10:06] <m00se> this is idiotic
[10:07] <m00se> feel better now?
[10:07] <knome> m00se, please note that if you break the guidelines again, we will most surely ban you
[10:08] <knome> m00se, try to be a little bit more civil and we don't have to do that.
[10:10] <m00se> yes mass will
[10:10] <m00se> much sorry massa
[10:10] <m00se> will try harder massa
[10:11] <m00se> massa need anything else?
[10:12] <xubuntu233> Hi
[10:12] <knome> hello
[10:13] <xubuntu233> I've previously install Xubuntu as a dual boot partition form inside windows hassle free but the ios I've burned doesn't autoplay in the same fashion, can you please help?
[10:13] <xubuntu233> I've downloaded 12.10
[10:14] <xubuntu233> essentially I simply want to install xubuntu
[10:16] <xubuntu233> #Hi
[10:16] <TheSheep> xubuntu658: ios? what do you mean?
[10:16] <xubuntu233> no, iso.
[10:16] <xubuntu233> sorry, typo
[10:18] <xubuntu233> hello?
[10:19] <TheSheep> xubuntu658: well, I have no idea, maybe someone else, or you can try searching the forums
[10:35] <xubuntu658> Thanks TheSheep! Problem: I booted from usb drive and now it is asking me to insert the cdrom... my netbook doesn't even have one...
[10:37] <xubuntu658> a reader I mean
[10:39] <xubuntu658>  the flashdrive is already inserted...
[10:40] <xubuntu658> brb
[10:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu658: try a different socket, on some laptops it will only work on one of their usb sockets
[11:40] <Conti_> Hey. Quick noob-question: can the xfce power manager display the remaining battery time in the system tray (instead of just on mouseover)? And if not, are there alternatives that can?
[11:41] <zuriaake> he
[11:41] <zuriaake> anybody chinese?
[11:41] <knome> !ch | zuriaake
[11:41] <knome> hmm, that's not correct..
[11:41] <knome> !chinese | zuriaake
[11:41] <zuriaake> 呵呵
[11:55] <Lachezar> Hello all... How can I add a Generic Postscript Printer to be used to print to file only, no real connection.
[12:36] <donnie> all my packages are broken on a fresh install of 12.10 and they can not be repaired by any forum I've been browsing for hours
[12:48] <Catbuntu> ohai
[14:15] <kobrakao> todo mundo usa?
[14:16] <Pici> !br
[14:16] <kobrakao> tanks
[14:16] <kobrakao> =]
[14:34] <xubuntu934> d
[14:59] <phunyguy_work> can someone help me wrap my head around what I am doing wrong with Gigolo and SSH?  In Gigolo, I put in the name of the Bookmark, the IP of the server running OpenSSH, the username I connect as, and the folder I want it to mount on the remote server.  I click OK, and when it goes to connect, I enter my password.
[14:59] <phunyguy_work> Problem is
[14:59] <phunyguy_work> errr
[14:59] <phunyguy_work> problem is, it ignores what you put in for the remote folder to mount locally, and just maps to my home folder on the server.
[14:59] <v1adimir> does it work with filezilla?
[15:00] <v1adimir> or some other program
[15:00] <phunyguy_work> I have no idea.  Was trying to stay Ubuntu-supported.
[15:00] <v1adimir> midnight commander, whatever
[15:00] <v1adimir> i mean just 2 check whether it's an SSH and/or server problem, or some local config
[15:01] <v1adimir> oic.. could be settings
[15:02] <GridCube> phunyguy_work, do you have gvfs-backends installed?
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> no it connects fine, just to /home/phunyguy
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> I am not on Xubuntu, but #ubuntu was cluttered and Gigolo comes standard on Xubuntu
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> so I should have that, yes
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> I am on standard Ubuntu.
[15:03] <GridCube> phunyguy_work, check anyway
[15:03] <phunyguy_work> did, and do.
[15:03] <GridCube> ok
[15:04] <phunyguy_work> I can make it work with smb instead, but gvfsd-smb gives me trouble
[15:05] <GridCube> mmhm
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> when accessing anything from the mounted folder for non-gvfs aware apps, the process deadlocks after some time
[15:05] <GridCube> i dont really know much about networking, you might want to check this? http://howto.blbosti.com/2010/09/mount-a-remote-ssh-folder-in-ubuntu-cmd-and-gui/
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> so I am trying SSH instead
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> KI've looked at that link already
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> I googled it.
[15:05] <GridCube> mmhm yes
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> last night and this morning.  Nothing mentions that folder option in Gigolo
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> and I like how Gigolo will dynamically mount when a share becomes reachable.
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> I just want to find a working solution with the dynamics in mind
[15:07] <phunyguy_work> (laptop that I use at home, and keep connected to home via VPN when I am at work or on the road)
[15:21] <phunyguy_work> the plot thickens.  I can click the mounted folder that comes up in Nautilus, and then hit the back arrow and get to /
[15:21] <phunyguy_work> ...not ideal.
[15:33] <wonderworld> it's ugly in general, that you need gigolo to do thinks thunar should be able to do on it's own
[15:35] <wonderworld> bookmarking sftp connections has been broken forever
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> I'm not using Thunar
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> and I said I need it to be dynamic
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> not have to moint it the first time I need to use it.
[15:36] <phunyguy_work> especially for apps that aren't gvfs aware.
[15:37] <wonderworld> you can do it with /etc/fstab then
[15:37] <wonderworld> or use sshfs if it's ssh/sftp
[15:37] <phunyguy_work> wonderworld, thats not dynamic.
[15:38] <phunyguy_work> if I put the laptop to sleep, take it to work, then connect it back up via VPN, it needs to "just work"
[15:38] <phunyguy_work> ...or things break.
[15:38] <wonderworld> sure, you can write a script that checks for the host being up periodically and mount it
[15:38] <phunyguy_work> well the thought was, why not use something that is already available.  Guess I have to code.
[15:39] <phunyguy_work> and I have a similar script for my ssh socks proxy.  Problem is, its not dependable.  the ssh process doesnt realize it went down.
[15:39] <phunyguy_work> so it never dies leading to the next iteration to reconnect.
[15:40] <phunyguy_work> I am also not very good at scripting.
[15:40] <wonderworld> you could run it as cronjob every minute, check if the connection is still there, if not kill ssh and reconnect
[15:40] <wonderworld> not too hard... 6liner
[15:40] <phunyguy_work> sounds like a lot of work that I don't know how to do.
[15:41] <phunyguy_work> maybe you can guide me
[15:41] <phunyguy_work> give me a baseline and then I can work from there
[15:41] <wonderworld> k, tell me what exactly you need to do
[15:41] <phunyguy_work> and sshfs is nice.
[15:41] <phunyguy_work> I need it to mount the filesystem to my laptop when it is available, and leave it alone if not.
[15:41] <phunyguy_work> (or umount()
[15:42] <phunyguy_work> or unmount)**
[15:42] <phunyguy_work> this is functional for now
[15:42] <phunyguy_work>  ijust like dhaving the bookmarks there
[15:42] <Siilence> Just periodically check your mount points. If it doesnt exist, mount it.
[15:42] <Siilence> If it fails, email you.
[15:42] <phunyguy_work> ffs I cant type.
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> plus my wife needs it to be easy.... lol
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> get tired of hearing "how do I get to the pictures again?"
[15:43] <wonderworld> buy her an iphone :)
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> I suppose I could symlink the crap out of it.
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> with sshfs
[15:44] <phunyguy_work> just will have broken symlinks if the connection isn't active.
[15:44] <wonderworld> do you use ssh interactive logins or do you use key-based logins?
[15:46] <phunyguy_work> interactive, but I can use sshpass
[15:46] <phunyguy_work> I would imagine anyway
[15:47] <phunyguy_work> I had to use it for my socks proxy script.
[15:47] <phunyguy_work> but that is much dirtier than what you would write I am sure
[15:47] <phunyguy_work> pretty much a while sleep 1; do sshpass blah blah ssh xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -D 1080; done.
[15:48] <wonderworld> how about somthing like -> test -e /media/myshare/somefile || my_mountscript
[15:48] <phunyguy_work> translate
[15:48] <wonderworld> would check if somefile is available, if not run mountscript
[15:48] <phunyguy_work> lol
[15:49] <phunyguy_work> what about killing the disconnected ssh session?
[15:49] <phunyguy_work> if it works like my socks script it wont
[15:49] <phunyguy_work> will just sit there playing dumb.
[15:49] <wonderworld> you can do that in my_mountscript. "killall sshfs"
[15:49] <wonderworld> or if you have the PID of your sshfs session stored, you can kill -kill $PID
[15:50] <phunyguy_work> maybe a looped script would be better with the PID of sshfs logged
[15:50] <phunyguy_work> check connection, then kill if the server doesnt respond to a ping
[15:50] <phunyguy_work> then check for availability every 60 seconds
[15:50] <wonderworld> or check any file on your share
[15:50] <phunyguy_work> but this doesnt fix the bookmark issue.
[15:51] <phunyguy_work> however it does show up as a local drive in nautilus
[15:51] <wonderworld> you can make your scruipt dynamic and pass it variables for your different shares. then create nice desktop icons for every connection
[15:51] <phunyguy_work> well I will tell you I am not on Xubuntu
[15:51] <phunyguy_work> I am on reg Ubuntu
[15:52] <phunyguy_work> I asked here because gigolo is in Xubuntu standard.
[15:52] <wonderworld> but you won't need to do that anyway, because your script will make shure that all your shares are available all the time
[15:52] <phunyguy_work> so the same may not apply
[15:52] <wonderworld> no difference with ubuntu
[15:52] <phunyguy_work> its why i liked the idea of Gigolo, smb access worked well, just deadlocked with non-gvfs aware apps
[15:53] <wonderworld> if you don't want them to be available all the time, you need to create some bokmark concept
[15:53] <wonderworld> gvfs is a pain
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> no they need to be there.\
[15:53] <wonderworld> not really stable
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> I agree.
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> but the concept is fantastic
[15:56] <phunyguy_work> I will do this.
[15:56] <wonderworld> nice, enjoy :)
[15:57] <phunyguy_work> use Gigolo, let it connect however it wants, and just create symlinks, like ~/Music/Main Collection for my music folder on the share, ~/Pictures/Main Collection for pictures
[15:57] <phunyguy_work> ~/Downloads/torrents for the torrents share
[15:57] <phunyguy_work> etc.
[15:57] <phunyguy_work> sounds reasonable.
[15:58] <phunyguy_work> and a single folder with the root of the /media folder on the server.
[16:04] <phunyguy_work> so far so good.  putting it in a script to replicate to the rest of my machines
[16:33] <phunyguy_work> hmm yeah wonderworld, this will have to be a custom script.  ssh gets just as confused as my proxy script
[16:33] <phunyguy_work> so I will have to write one that launches sshfs, and grabs the PID.
[16:33] <phunyguy_work> then checks once a minute for connectivity and kills it if there isnt
[16:33] <phunyguy_work> starts it if there is.
[16:44] <wonderworld> yes, sounds good.
[16:48] <wonderworld> maybe it would be even easier to setup the sshfs connections in /etc/fstab
[16:49] <wonderworld> but i have no idea if this is stable....
[16:49] <phunyguy_work> wonderworld, ssh will do the same thing
[16:49] <phunyguy_work> it will never disconnect
[16:49] <phunyguy_work> and get ALL confused, same with Samba
[16:50] <phunyguy_work> at least Gigolo tries to manage it if it doesnt exist
[17:05] <superboot> Hi all. I'm trying to copy custom menu entries that I setup on one machine (with icons etc..) to the rest of my machines. What files do I need to copy/modify?
[17:06] <superboot> The main system menu that is. (the one with the mouse head on it)
[17:09]  * Catbuntu is back
[17:20] <phunyguy_work> ...aaaaaand GVFS died
[19:30] <xubuntu014> hi! anybody around I can ask for help?
[19:31] <knome> !ask | xubuntu014
[19:33] <xubuntu014> sorry. Installed xubuntu 12.04.1 today, installation process failed at the step "install programs", now I don't have a GUI
[19:33] <knome> xubuntu014, can you get to a command line?
[19:34] <xubuntu014> yes, tried apt-get install xubuntu-gui or something like that someone told me here
[19:34] <xubuntu014> now it asks me to insert a cd
[19:34] <xubuntu014> but i booted from a usb drive
[19:34] <knome> is the usb stick in?
[19:34] <xubuntu014> and don't have any cdrom unit
[19:35] <xubuntu014> yes
[19:35] <knome> are you connected to the internet?
[19:35] <xubuntu014> yes
[19:35] <knome> ok, just a minute
[19:36] <knome> also, do you have another computer to irc from next to you?
[19:36] <xubuntu014> yes lol
[19:36] <xubuntu014> no other way
[19:36] <knome> ok, good. type the following command:
[19:36] <knome> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:37] <knome> it will ask for your password, insert that too
[19:37] <xubuntu014> ok
[19:38] <xubuntu014> lots of txtlines runnning...
[19:38] <knome> now you should see the software sources list
[19:38] <xubuntu014> yes
[19:38] <knome> there should be lines starting with about "deb cdrom:[Xubuntu..." in the beginning
[19:38] <xubuntu014> some files were not found
[19:38] <xubuntu014> yes
[19:38] <xubuntu014> no wait
[19:39] <knome> files not found? did you type the command i posted?
[19:39] <xubuntu014> "impossible to get cdrom: [Xubuntu...
[19:39] <xubuntu014> yes
[19:39] <xubuntu014> sorry i'm translating from spanish
[19:39] <knome> you sure? 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' without the quotes
[19:40] <knome> that should only open a text editor
[19:40] <xubuntu014> sudo: nano: command not found
[19:41] <knome> oh, ok.
[19:43] <xubuntu014> ?
[19:44] <knome> xubuntu014, just a moment
[19:45] <xubuntu014> (thanks a lot for doing this for free, by the way! hope to be able to help someday)
[19:46] <knome> xubuntu014, what happens if you type 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' ?
[19:47] <xubuntu014> same thing
[19:47] <knome> command not found? ok...
[19:47] <xubuntu014> yep
[19:48] <raytray> xubuntu014, when you ddi apt-get install xubuntu-gui what happened?
[19:48] <xubuntu014> no wait i tipped it wrong
[19:48] <xubuntu014> sorry
[19:48] <xubuntu014> now I see two text lines and a lot of ~in the middle
[19:49] <knome> two text lines only?
[19:49] <xubuntu014> deb cdrom:[Xubuntu....
[19:49] <xubuntu014> up
[19:49] <knome> is there something like "deb http://..." later?
[19:50] <xubuntu014> and "etc/apt/get/souces.list" 2lines, 125 char
[19:50] <xubuntu014> nop
[19:50] <knome> xubuntu014, oh, ok. then type ":q" (without the quotes, literally) and press enter
[19:50] <TheSheep> wait /etc/apt/get/ ???
[19:50] <xubuntu014> maybe an internet problem?
[19:51] <knome> xubuntu014, it looks like the installer didn't get very far
[19:51] <knome> xubuntu014, i'd suggest trying to install again, since there's not much you can lose
[19:51] <xubuntu014> i did it two times already, always crasches at the same step
[19:52] <xubuntu014> and the iso should be fine  - i checked the md5 thing
[19:53] <xubuntu014> should i try to burn it again anyway? maybe with another burner? the one i did it was which i found in the ubuntu help pages
[19:54] <knome> if you've checked the usb stick is fine, let's try to continue then
[19:56] <xubuntu014> i've just booted from the stick again and clicked at "check disk" : integrity test failed:
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu014, ok, in that case you should try creating the usb stick again
[19:56] <knome> it's the easiest way
[19:56] <xubuntu014> ok thanks!
[19:56] <knome> np
[19:57] <xubuntu014> wait! which program you suggest?
[19:57] <xubuntu014> the burner may have been the problem...
[19:57] <knome> i don't know those apps, use something that's suggested on the ubuntu wiki
[19:57] <xubuntu014> ok thanks a lot again!
[19:58] <holstein> xubuntu014: test the integrity of the disk... should be in the alternate menu if you hold shift while the live CD is booting
[19:58] <holstein> that will confirm the image, and the media
[19:59] <xubuntu014> thanks, holstein, just did it - "integrity test failed" i'm burning it again. Bye guys!
[19:59] <xubuntu014> thanks a lot
[20:06] <phunyguy_work> wonderworld, baseline script is complete. Wanna see?
[20:09] <wonderworld> sure
[20:10] <phunyguy_work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1413192/
[20:11] <phunyguy_work> works great
[20:11] <phunyguy_work> bounced my openvpn conncetion a few times
[20:11] <wonderworld> nice.... and you said you couldn't script :)
[20:12] <phunyguy_work> well to be fair, my brain is hurting
[20:12] <wonderworld> it gets easier over time and it's very useful
[20:12] <phunyguy_work> I used perl for a long time, but I am trying to get away from that
[20:12] <phunyguy_work> I also set up the ssh tunnel with certificates
[20:13] <phunyguy_work> so no password required
[20:13] <wonderworld> for me it's the real great thing about linux... if something doesn't work the way you want it, you can script it for yourself 99% of the time
[20:13] <wonderworld> (and it will work forever)
[20:13] <phunyguy_work> yah
[20:13] <phunyguy_work> thanks for your help
[20:13] <wonderworld> np
[20:13]  * phunyguy_work beers wonderworld
[20:14] <wonderworld> * thankfully *burps*
[20:14] <phunyguy_work> hah!
[20:14] <phunyguy_work> I can use this same script to make my proxy work better as well
[20:19] <wonderworld> just ordered my personal xmas present Lenovo EDGE S430. great
[20:50] <phunyguy_work> wonderworld, nice.  We are a Lenovo shop here.
[20:52] <wonderworld> hey great...good choice? i was researching and thought it was pretty much the best i could get for the money with full ubuntu compatibility
[20:53] <phunyguy_work> I use a T430s, and T420s
[20:53] <phunyguy_work> very nice laptops
[20:53] <phunyguy_work> the X1 Carbon sucks though
[20:57] <phunyguy_work> the touchpad on it is like a mac.. but worse.
[20:57] <phunyguy_work> its just one big button but you have to press the corner still to left or right click.  very tough to use.
[21:24] <wonderworld> hope thinkpads are as good as people say. just wanted something robust and hassle free for linux use with keyboard lightning
[21:24] <phunyguy_work> they are good.
[21:24] <phunyguy_work> the Desktops are nice as well
[21:25] <phunyguy_work> This machine is a quad core Xeon
[21:25] <phunyguy_work> ThinkStation E30
[21:25] <phunyguy_work> sorry E31
[21:25] <phunyguy_work> 16 gigs RAM
[22:06] <wonderworld> whats the most frequent RMA you receive?
[22:12] <holstein> rma for a thinkpad? i might talk about that and mention looking at a system76 or some other linux preloaded PC's in the offtopic channel
[23:19] <phunyguy_t430s_> wonderworld, do you happedn to have the pastebin link still?
[23:21] <phunyguy_t430s_> or anyone for that matter.  If they still have it in their chat scrollback, please send along to me.  Thanks
[23:24] <knome> phunyguy_t430s_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1413192/ ?
[23:25] <phunyguy_t430s_> gracias.