[00:08] <lfaraone> neeraj: did you apt-get update already? It's in multiverse I think, so make sure you have that enabled.
[00:09] <neeraj> *checking
[00:10] <neeraj> lfaraone, all sources are selected.
[00:11] <lfaraone> neeraj: what dep is unmet on squeak-vm?
[00:15] <neeraj> lfaraone, sugar-etoys-activity : Depends: etoys but it is not going to be installed
[00:15] <neeraj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/484233/
[00:16] <lfaraone> neeraj: just run "sudo apt-get install -f"
[00:17] <neeraj> lfaraone, Ok. downloading some packages now..
[00:18] <neeraj> lfaraone, what was the issue? I mean I was only trying to install those packages as reported by apt-get
[00:19] <lfaraone> neeraj: apt-get didn't tell you to do "apt-get install -f squeak-vm", it said "apt-get -f install".
[00:23] <neeraj> lfaraone, ohh.. my bad.. :(
[00:25] <neeraj> lfaraone, also, dfarning asked to add various activities as a dependency in usr-meta package, so that they can get installed along with usr. Now I am little confused here.
[00:25] <neeraj> In my opinion adding s-*-a as Recommends make more sense..
[00:25] <lfaraone> neeraj: okay. why's that?
[00:27] <neeraj> Hmm.. I was actually thinking that if due to some reason, if any activity is failing to due to some dependency, then the usr-meta package will fail.. but..
[00:27] <neeraj> now I think for what we are for :P.. I mean we will keep adding patches acco. to bug/problems as they come..
[00:30] <lfaraone> neeraj: well, our goal is that all activities we are shipping in USR are good activites we think showcase what Sugar has to offer.,
[00:32] <neeraj> lfaraone, Ok.
[00:32] <neeraj> Etoys working fine. I had requested sync for s-irc-a.
[00:32] <neeraj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625001
[00:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625001 in ubuntu "FFe: Sync sugar-irc-activity 6-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[00:44] <satellitUSR-59ed> 2nd user on USB now have 2 users with useradd command....
[00:45] <satellitUSR-59ed> log out lets me switch to either one with their own password. Had to download IRC.xo from ASLO but surf-115.deb was on 2nd users f3 ring....
[00:48] <lfaraone> neeraj: acked.
[00:49] <neeraj> lfaraone, :) thanks. Filing ffe request for poll,etoys and record
[00:52] <lfaraone> neeraj: hold a sec.
[00:52] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok
[00:54] <lfaraone> neeraj: don't file a FFe for poll, it's already in Ubuntu as "sugar-pollbuilder-activity", and it's up-to-date in Ubuntu under that name.
[00:54] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok. and for logviewer|| log ?
[01:00] <dfarning> neeraj, got it figured out?
[01:01] <neeraj> dfarning, yes. Stupid me. lfaraone helped in that issue. :)
[01:05] <satellit_afk> sent surf -115 .deb errors from USB log application via e-mail to list
[01:05] <lfaraone> neeraj: log, I'm not sure about.
[01:06] <lfaraone> neeraj: the issue is with a rename is we have to preserve a transition path for users, which means that we need to deviate from debian in adding a transitional package which we then need to maintain until the next LTS (12.04)
[01:06] <neeraj> lfaraone, yeah. Now me too.. so the conversation at motu
[01:06] <lfaraone> neeraj: ah, you saw that :)
[01:07] <lfaraone> neeraj: I think that unless sugar-logviewer-activity (v6) is badly broken, we can leave it in as-is for this release.
[01:07] <neeraj> lfaraone, +1.
[01:08] <neeraj> lfaraone, testing the package. Also will se *log* change log if there is ny major change.
[01:08] <satellit_afk> log-6 works  (sugar-logviewer-activity) installed in sugar from Ubuntu /usr/share/sugar.Activities
[01:09] <satellit_afk>  s/" sugar/Activities"
[01:11] <neeraj> satellit_afk, thanks.
[01:11] <satellit_afk> yw
[01:12] <satellit_afk> both users got it on f3 ring (useradd)
[01:12] <neeraj> lfaraone, yes. its working fine. While initially packaging *log* for debian, we used logviewer as a name.
[01:12] <lfaraone> neeraj: right, it's not your fault. "log" is just a more apt name :)
[01:16] <neeraj> I installed s-logviewer-a-0.86. its working absolutely fine. butt I have one more doubt now.
[01:17] <neeraj> read-0.86 was working in maverick.. right?
[01:17] <neeraj> * filing ffe for etoys and irc
[01:18] <lfaraone> neeraj: no, it is not working in Maverick.
[01:18] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok..
[03:43] <lfaraone> manusheel: do you know if Neeraj will be back before 0h? (EST)
[04:43] <ankur> alsroot,  around?
[04:47] <ankur> how does sugar calculate zoom level or scaling factor , any quick response?
[04:47] <ankur> i mean , just a  hint or so
[15:51] <lfaraone>  /j #ubuntu-mozillateam
[16:02]  * dipankar says hello to all
[16:02] <dipankar> :)
[16:02] <dipankar> dfarning, hi
[16:03] <dipankar> lfaraone, hellos :P
[16:03] <dfarning> dipankar, good morning.
[16:03] <dipankar> dfarning, good morning
[16:03] <dipankar> dfarning, had a chat with manusheel just right now
[16:04] <dipankar> dfarning, thanks for the pointers on registration bug
[16:04] <dipankar> dfarning, I wanted to share something about the bug too.
[16:04] <dfarning> dipankar, sure
[16:05] <dipankar> dfarning, Sometimes (rather rarely), the "registration failed" showed up while trying to register.
[16:06] <lfaraone> hi dipankar
[16:06] <dfarning> dipankar, I guess displying a failure notice is the right action.
[16:06] <lfaraone> dfarning: Firefox.activity has *zero* Sugar intergretion. I tried it out, and if the app worked in the past with the journal, it doesn't now :)
[16:07] <kandarpk> lfaraone, dfarning : I am getting 'fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly'
[16:07] <kandarpk> on $ git push git://git.sugarlabs.org/devtutor/mainline.git
[16:07] <dipankar> dfarning, ohk. so what you suggested is calculate a lag, after which I should consider that the site is down and registration can't be completed
[16:07] <lfaraone> kandarpk: okay. did you get anything before that?
[16:07] <kandarpk> lfaraone: No.
[16:08] <lfaraone> kandarpk: I don't think that's the push URL that you're supposed to sue. What did gitorious tell you to push to?
[16:08] <dipankar> lfaraone, I will upload the patch for gsm bug on sl.o soon
[16:09] <dfarning> dipankar, yes, and check the code so that something a little more helpful than a big grey rectangle is display while the user waits.
[16:10] <kandarpk> lfaraone: this is git repo. I created
[16:10] <kandarpk> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/devtutor/repos/mainline
[16:11] <dipankar> dfarning, so we want that, no rectangle should appear while waiting. make sense
[16:11] <lfaraone> kandarpk: there should be a "push URL" listed.
[16:11] <dipankar> s/make/makes
[16:11] <dfarning> kandarpk, see http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/devtutor/repos/mainline
[16:12] <lfaraone> dfarning: so I'd recommend against Firefox.activity unless we're forced to. Plus, we'd need Trademark approval from Mozilla / Canonical prolly.
[16:12] <dfarning> kandarpk, the push url is git push gitorious@git.sugarlabs.org:devtutor/mainline.git
[16:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: OK.
[16:13] <dfarning> lfaraone, the trademark issue has been resolved. So that will not be a problem. but the journal thing is bigger.
[16:13] <dfarning> lfaraone, so we focus on surf.
[16:14] <kandarpk> dfarning, lfaraone: thanks.
[16:15] <dfarning> kandarpk, YW
[16:19] <lfaraone> dfarning: re trademark, the Mozilla trademark policy says "if you didn't talk with us, and you modify Firefox (by say, adding themes or extensions) then you're not in compliance"
[16:19] <kandarpk> dfarning: I've uploaded the activity
[16:19] <lfaraone> dfarning: the logo is free, but the trademark is not freely vended.
[16:22] <dfarning> lfaraone, that policy has been updated.  -- but it has not been communicated clearly everywhere.  Technically Debian can now ship firefox as freesoftware.....  It is just going to take awhile to flow downstream.
[16:31] <lfaraone> dfarning: sure, as free software, since everything in it *including the marks* are under a liberal copyright license. In terms of *trademark*, that does not seem to be the case per http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html , which I'd hope would be up to date. :)
[16:31] <lfaraone> if you've read otherwise I'd bow to that , of course.
[16:32] <dfarning> lfaraone, it is not up to date:(
[16:32] <lfaraone> dfarning: ah, thsy'd just confusing <_<;
[16:33] <dfarning> lfaraone, but let's lets avoid that tar pit if we can.....
[16:40] <ishan> lfaraone, hi
[16:42] <ishan> dfarning, hi
[16:42] <dfarning> ishan, good morning
[16:42] <ishan> dfarning, good morning
[16:43] <ishan> dfarning, i have been assigned to package squeak activity but i am not able to find the source ball for it
[16:44] <ishan> could you suggest me where can i find the source ball for the squeak activity
[16:48] <ishan_> dipankar, hi
[16:48] <dipankar> ishan, hey
[16:49] <dfarning> ishan, ok squeak is a bit odd in that it is not a sugar labs project.  it has a seperate upstream.
[16:49] <ishan> dfarning, okay
[16:49] <dfarning> ishan, upstream is at http://www.squeakland.org/
[16:50] <ishan> dfarning, thanks
[16:50] <lfaraone> dfarning: is there a separate squeak activity?
[16:53] <dfarning> ishan, can you work with lfaraone on figureing this out.  The whole squeak-vm, squeak, etoy relationship will need to be determined.
[16:54] <ishan_> dfarning, sure
[17:03] <ishan_> dfarning, It seems that etoys is based on squeak
[17:04] <dfarning> ishan_, yes it is.  how do the pieces fit together? and what do the diffent pieces do?
[17:05] <ishan_> dfarning, need to search more to understand it completely
[17:13]  * ishan_ is away
[17:14]  * lfaraone -> lunch.
[17:27] <ankur> alsroot,  what does toolbar actuyally refer to in control panel?
[17:27] <ankur> *actually
[17:29] <alsroot> ankur: could you elaborate?
[17:29] <ankur> well , in gui.py i was confused regarding the code when they refer to setting up of toolbar .
[17:29] <ankur> i mean set_toolbar
[17:30] <ankur> functions sets or remove toolbar. but what are we referring to when toolbar is being set or removed.
[17:31] <alsroot> ankur: not sure..
[17:31] <ankur> alsroot,  np :)
[17:32] <alsroot> ankur: got it, well, it's just name clash, CP aslo uses toolbars :)
[17:33] <ankur> well , in CP case , that is ?
[17:35] <kandarpk> I'll be back in 25-30 min.
[17:38] <alsroot> ankur: yup
[18:04] <dipankar> alsroot, hi good morning
[18:04] <alsroot> dipankar: hi
[18:04] <dipankar> alsroot, I am looking for the code for 'register' in Sugar
[18:04] <dipankar> alsroot, I am working for the registration bug
[18:05] <alsroot> dipankar: what bug url?
[18:05] <dipankar> alsroot, just a sec
[18:06] <dipankar> alsroot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617813
[18:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617813 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "sugar freezes when register widget is clicked (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[18:08] <alsroot> dipankar: heh, it should be something schoolserver related, didn't look at this place at all. You can grab some info about schoolserver on wiki.laptop.org by seraching for string schoolserver
[18:08] <dipankar> alsroot, actually dfarning had come up with some other opinions
[18:09] <dipankar> alsroot, Initially we all thought that it is school server related issue
[18:09] <dipankar> but it is now taken as inability of Sugar to handle an unavailable website/server
[18:10] <dipankar> alsroot, what dfarning suggested was to set a lag head so that it can check automatically that server is down or inaccessible
[18:11] <alsroot> dipankar: well, the thing is that sugar doesn't interact w/ external resources directly(except schoolserver), not sure if schoolserver is useful in ubunut case at all, if not, you can just hide this button at all
[18:11] <dipankar> alsroot, +1, I came across this request just now.
[18:13] <dipankar> alsroot, btw what exactly is the purpose of the registration at schoolserver? Is it something related to XO only feature?
[18:13] <dipankar> so that tech support can be made available easily
[18:14] <alsroot> dipankar: yup, it is XO/OLPC related, /me knows nothing about it
[18:14] <dipankar> alsroot, so in your opinion the button should be made invisible?
[18:14] <dipankar> *button -> register option
[18:15] <alsroot> dipankar: not sure, you can recheck(on wiki.laptop.org) how schoolserver can be useful in ubuntucase
[18:15]  * dipankar looking at wiki.laptop.org
[18:27] <mukul> hi kandarpk , dipankar sir
[18:27] <dipankar> mukul, hey :)
[18:30] <mukul> dipankar sir: I was packaging the sugar-calculate-activity.Its previous version was upload by Jonas.Now there was an update.I have to package with the update. Can you verify the steps followed by me. I'll mail you what all I followed. I am able to build the package but am not able to resolve some warnings.
[18:31] <dipankar> mukul, paste the warnings, I will try my best to help you out
[18:40] <mukul> dipankar, kandarpk sir: I have earlier resolved the first three warnings previously  and I know how to but it doesn't seem to work here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/484587/
[18:49] <mukul> manusheel sir: The surf activity was packaged 2 weeks ago by Luke
[18:49] <mukul> manusheel sir: Am I required to package that again?
[18:56] <mukul> dipankar sir: I have earlier resolved the first three warnings and I know how to but it doesn't seem to work here. dipankar, kandarpk sir: I have earlier resolved the first three warnings previously  and I know how to but it doesn't seem to work here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/484587/
[18:56] <mukul> dipankar, kandarpk sir: I have earlier resolved the first three warnings previously  and I know how to but it doesn't seem to work here. http://paste.ubuntu.com/484587/
[19:02] <dipankar> mukul, I as far as i remember: line 5 was discussed sometime back
[19:03] <dipankar> mukul, ohk. this is strange. they all should work
[19:04] <manusheel> mukul: Not required then.
[19:04] <manusheel> mukul: You can work on the bug assigned to you soon.
[19:07] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[19:08] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, then what shall I collect from alsroot's suggestion?
[19:08] <mukul> dipankar sir: when i do dch -i,it shows me the version 30 only while I'm actually updating it to 32. So I change it. Thus the error
[19:09] <dipankar> mukul, dch -i will increase the revision no. , it will shift you from 30-ubuntu0 to 30-ubuntu1
[19:10] <manusheel> dipankar: I think you should re-phrase the use-case correctly.
[19:10] <dipankar> mukul, as far as I remember, you have to manually change the version number, to 32-1
[19:10] <manusheel> dipankar: It is not school server. It is jabber server.
[19:10] <dipankar> manusheel, ok sir
[19:11] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, I wasn't successful in finding the code for registering
[19:11] <dipankar> s/registering/registration
[19:13] <dipankar> manusheel, any pointer? I followed the amateur's method
[19:14] <manusheel> dipankar: Let me check.
[19:21] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, I found something regarding register() - sugar/src/jarabe/view/launcher.py
[19:21] <dipankar> line 175
[19:21] <dipankar> manusheel, It is a launcher actually
[19:25] <ishan> mukul, dipankar: check http://pastebin.com/aW4gkZ8g
[19:26] <ishan> when i commit and make package for the first time and then run DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 fakeroot debian/rules clean and the git status then the .py file also gets modified
[19:26] <ishan> cant figure out how?
[19:26] <mukul> pastebin your rules file then
[19:27] <dipankar> manusheel, *ping*
[19:27] <ishan> mukul, http://pastebin.com/sSDhiVq1
[19:27] <dipankar> ishan, run ' fakeroot ... clean'
[19:28] <dipankar> then check the git status
[19:28] <ishan> just run fakeroot debian/rules clean
[19:28] <ishan> okay
[19:28] <ishan> dipankar, still the same
[19:29] <ishan> sir i dont understand how the .py file is being modified
[19:29] <ishan> also why are the unwanted files also being deleted by fakeroot ...........
[19:29] <ishan> *not being
[19:30] <dipankar> ishan, this is really confusing
[19:31] <ishan> dipankar, it works only if we make all changes at first and build package and push it
[19:31] <manusheel> dipankar: Back. Sorry, got a call.
[19:31] <ishan> once the fakeroot command is run it starts showing the above git status
[19:31] <mukul> ishan, I think we need to check cdbs/1/rules/buildinfo.mk which contains the rules file if in case the clean function is not properly defined
[19:32] <dipankar> ishan, strange indeed
[19:32] <ishan> mukul, thats fine but what about the .py file
[19:32] <dipankar> manusheel, no problem sir. just that i will be leaving in 10 minutes
[19:32] <manusheel> dipankar: Sure.
[19:33] <mukul> ishan, I mean it contains the 'clean' function. If that is creating the .py file it must be present by somewhere
[19:33] <ishan> mukul, the .py file is already present
[19:33] <manusheel> dipankar: I think we need to drop in an e-mail asking on the source code for the same.
[19:33] <manusheel> dipankar: Not very trivial.
[19:33] <ishan> mukul, a new file is not being created
[19:34] <dipankar> manusheel, if we can only track model.register_launcher()
[19:34] <manusheel> dipankar: Yes, that would help. But, how about the time lag?
[19:34] <mukul> manusheel sir: I am able to build the calculate activity but am getting some lintian errors. I had earlier resolved some of them but this time something strange is taking place.
[19:35] <manusheel> mukul: Ok. Can you elaborate?
[19:35] <mukul> manusheel sir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/484587/
[19:36] <ishan> dipankar, manusheel: is it possible to build a new browse package
[19:36] <dipankar> ishan, why would you want to do that?
[19:36] <dipankar> ishan, something wrong with the existing repo?
[19:36] <ishan> dipankar, this is what i think
[19:37] <ishan> but since Jonas is maintaining it I dont think there should be any
[19:37] <dipankar> manusheel, about the time lag. I wanted to track the series of functions called, before reaching to the network part
[19:37] <manusheel> mukul: It looks like some dependency issues. Kandarpk, can you help in resolving it? I think you encountered similar issues.
[19:37] <manusheel> dipankar: +1
[19:38] <manusheel> dipankar: Right. That is what is required.
[19:38] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: let me see if I can help.
[19:38] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[19:38] <mukul> manusheel sir: The first 3 warnings I had resolved earlier. I am making the same changes here this time too. According me to the problem maybe because the rules file was different than what we used to use uptil now.The activity was previously done by Jonas.The changes that I am making to the rules file do not seem to be reflected once I have build the package.
[19:38] <manusheel> dipankar: Did we get hold of register functions?
[19:39] <ishan> mukul, for the first W add the python-dev suppress line
[19:39] <manusheel> mukul: Ok.
[19:39] <ishan> sorry no add the dependency python-dev
[19:39] <ankur> mukul : update standards to 3.9.1
[19:40] <ankur> mukul : is your package on git?
[19:40] <mukul> ankur: yes
[19:40] <ishan> dipankar, sir what should i do with browse
[19:40] <ankur> and was that up to date?
[19:40] <ankur> mukul,  can you give me the link
[19:40] <kandarpk> mukul: I think you need to add rule to drop override on python dev to resolve first warning.
[19:41] <dipankar> ankur, could you help ishan too. I am in the middle of some search
[19:41] <mukul> ishan, kandarpk sir: I had done that. As mentioned I hv removed the first 3 warnings before but
[19:41] <ankur> dipankar,  np
[19:42] <ishan> ankur, sir check http://pastebin.com/aW4gkZ8g
[19:42] <dipankar> ankur, I think ishan is upadting the package
[19:42] <ishan> dipankar, +1
[19:42] <mukul> kandarpk sir, ishan , ankur :The problem is that any changes made to the rules file don't seem to be reflected once I build the package.
[19:42] <ankur> well what changes?
[19:42] <mukul> dipankar sir: yes he is. and so am I?
[19:42] <dipankar> manusheel, sir, as of now I could track only the launcher of register
[19:43] <ankur> ishan,  what's the problem?
[19:43] <dipankar> mukul, ishan: can you explain the steps that you have followed to update, that may help a bit
[19:44] <ishan> ankur, kandarpk: when i build package for the first time and run fakeroot.................. and then check git status i get http://pastebin.com/aW4gkZ8g status.
[19:44] <kandarpk> mukul: not sure what you mean by changes not being reflected
[19:44] <ankur> you run fakeroot and ..... ?
[19:44] <ishan> ankur, kandarpk:i am not able to figure out why .py file is being changed and also even after running fakeroot........... the unwanted files havent been removed.
[19:45] <ishan> i ran fakeroot debian/rules clean
[19:45] <ankur> have you used DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 as well
[19:45] <ankur> ?
[19:45] <mukul> kandarpk sir: I added the line to suppress the dependency of python-dev to the rules file. Even then I am getting the same error
[19:45] <ishan> ankur, sir i have tried with both but the result is same
[19:45] <kandarpk> mukul: you said you resolved the first 3 ??
[19:46] <ankur> what changed does it show in webactivity?
[19:46] <ankur> can you paste your  rules file?
[19:47] <ishan> ankur, http://pastebin.com/sSDhiVq1
[19:47] <mukul> kandarpk; Ok, I meant I had resolved the first three with my previous packages and was applying the same procedure to this too but this time the warnings was not resolved
[19:47] <kandarpk> mukul: OK.
[19:48] <kandarpk> mukul: can you paste your rules file ?
[19:48] <ishan> ankur, my changelog filr sir http://pastebin.com/hQm4mF8B
[19:49] <ishan> if this could help
[19:49]  * ankur is looking into it
[19:49] <mukul> kandarpk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/484609/
[19:50] <ankur> ishan,  it was python dev it was sugar_python
[19:50] <ankur> AFAIR
[19:50] <ishan> ankur, sir the status was coming even without adding the dependecy part
[19:50] <ankur> ask luke to confirm as in jonas later mails he told that
[19:50] <ankur> i was just teling you about change log
[19:51] <mukul> ankur sir: if you are looking for the clean command in the rules file it is present at cdbs/1/rules/buildinfo.mk
[19:51] <ishan> ankur: didnt get your point
[19:52] <ankur> ishan,  i was just telling that the the point you mentioned in changelog might be wwong
[19:52] <ankur> *wrong
[19:52] <mukul> manusheel sir: regarding the bug. The source packages for this bug are very old 0.73. Do I make the changes in that?
[19:53] <ankur> paste ls locale/
[19:53] <ishan> ankur, i corrected the first warning that mukul is getting
[19:53] <ankur> ishan, ^^
[19:53] <kandarpk> mukul: you should ask Luke. I dont have much idea.
[19:53] <manusheel> mukul: Yes, absolutely.
[19:53] <manusheel> They are indeed very old.
[19:53] <manusheel> mukul: Can you send us the link?
[19:54] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[19:54] <ankur> manusheel,  sir why are we packaging browse?
[19:54] <ishan> ankur, ran ls locale/
[19:54] <ankur> output?
[19:54] <mukul> manusheel sir: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar
[19:55] <ishan> ankur, http://pastebin.com/4JsHVSUs
[19:56] <ankur> ishan,  leave untracked files as they are
[19:57] <ishan> sir what about .py file
[19:57] <ankur> add webactivity.py if there are no major changes
[19:57] <ankur> i dont know the changes it or wat made in it
[19:57] <ankur> try build
[19:57]  * ishan i am still not able to understand the changelog part
[19:58] <ankur> ishan : we have not suppressed the pyton-dev
[19:58] <ankur> *python
[19:58] <ishan> ankur, okay
[19:58] <ankur> ishan,  need to cross check it
[19:58] <ankur> because as far as i remember
[19:58] <ankur> i can at
[19:58] <ankur> *say only that
[19:59] <ankur> need to ask luke that as well
[19:59]  * ankur is going to sleep . Good night.
[19:59] <ishan> ankur, please do sir because we r suppressing the dependency for python-dev as displayed in the warning
[19:59] <ankur> ishan,  or may be mail luke about it. or i will drop one on your behalf
[20:00] <ankur> what do you prefer/
[20:00] <ankur> ?
[20:00] <ishan> ankur, later one would be better
[20:00] <ankur> if you mail your problems
[20:00] <ankur> that is much better IMHO
[20:00] <ishan> ankur, okay
[20:00] <ishan> i will do that
[20:00] <ankur> copy manu sir on that :)
[20:00] <ankur> bye
[20:01] <ishan> ankur, sure
[20:01] <manusheel> ishan: You are referring to python-dev
[20:01] <manusheel> issue.
[20:01] <ishan> manusheel, yes sir
[20:01] <ishan> just need to crosscheck what has to be written in changelog
[20:01] <manusheel> ishan: Let me check. I think we had an e-mail on it.
[20:02] <ishan> manusheel, okay
[20:04] <manusheel> ishan: Got hold of the e-mail. Forwarding it to you. Luke, very well mentioned about that in the e-mail.
[20:04] <ishan> manusheel, sure sir
[20:13] <mukul> manusheel sir: please forward the mail to me too.
[20:15] <manusheel> mukul: I did that.
[20:16] <mukul> manusheel sir: I am not able to understand what exactly I am required to do in this feature request- Sugar Suite needs man pages. Are the man pages available somewhere or if they are to be created? Can you help me understand exactly what the feature request exactly is?
[20:16] <manusheel> mukul: Sure. Can you send me the link to the bug?
[20:16] <manusheel> I'll give you a call.
[20:19] <mukul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar/+bug/292700
[20:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 292700 in sugar (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sugar suite needs manpages (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[20:22] <ishan> manusheel, i just checked the mail but there is no mention on what to be written in chnagelog file
[20:22] <manusheel> ishan: Ok. In that case, I think we can send the activity for review.
[20:23] <manusheel> Perhaps, it was for non-Sugar packages.
[20:23] <ishan> manusheel, browse isnt complete sir
[20:23] <ishan> changelog part was not a problem its just a correction
[20:24] <mukul> manusheel sir: sure
[20:25] <manusheel> mukul: Calling you in 2 minutes. Did you look at http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8923
[20:25] <manusheel> ?
[20:25] <manusheel> ishan: What is not complete in browse, Ishan?
[20:25] <manusheel> Can you elaborate?
[20:26] <manusheel> Will be back in 5 mins.
[20:26] <ishan> manusheel, sir first there are some files automatically generated which i am able to remove
[20:26] <mukul> manusheel sir: I will do it now
[20:26] <ishan> manusheel, second webactivity.py file is being changed -dont know how
[20:27] <ishan> third sir i havent been able to update the package yet due to these problems only the warning has been removed which was coming in the earlier version
[20:33] <manusheel> ishan: These are not very trivial problems.
[20:34] <manusheel> ishan: Can you report about them at debian olpc mailing list?
[20:34] <ishan> manusheel, yes sir but these problems shoudnt come up
[20:34] <manusheel> ishan: Yes, absolutely.
[20:34] <manusheel> There must be some package issue.
[20:34] <ishan> manusheel, i am trying for the last time
[20:34] <manusheel> ishan: One strategy.
[20:34] <ishan> manusheel, yes sir
[20:35] <manusheel> ishan: Try creating a temporary package separately to see if these issues persist in that.
[20:35] <manusheel> If not, we can report this part.
[20:35] <manusheel> That for a new package, we don't face such issues.
[20:35] <ishan> manusheel, when mukul and I created a new package it worked fine
[20:36] <manusheel> ishan: Great.
[20:36] <manusheel> We should report this too.
[20:37] <ishan> manusheel, sir i am also receive a error while building package after upgrade
[20:38] <ishan> sir there is a error in a patch as well
[20:39] <ishan> maybe thats what creating all the problem
[20:39] <ishan> but for sure the package has some problems
[20:40] <ishan> http://pastebin.com/D7Dmagkw
[20:42] <manusheel> ishan: Sure, Ishan.
 alsroot: hi
 manusheel sir: I have a doubt
 manusheel sir: The bug points to the 0.83 package. How am I to test the changes when I have 0.88?
[21:13] <alsroot> mukul: whats the name of that package?
[21:15] <mukul> alsroot, actually I have been assigned the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar/+bug/292700
[21:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 292700 in sugar (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sugar suite needs manpages (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[21:15] <mukul> alsroot, Could you help me know whether man pages is installed in sugar and if yes where it is
[21:17] <alsroot> mukul: I never created man pages, but you can just ask google :)
[21:17] <alsroot> mukul: e.g. http://www.fnal.gov/docs/products/ups/ReferenceManual/html/manpages.html
[21:19] <mukul> alsroot, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8923
[21:20] <mukul> alsroot, it is mentioned that it is blocked by individual binaries
[21:21] <alsroot> mukul: not sure what ticket author meant
[21:21] <alsroot> maybe just that at that time he waited for sugar packages release to create man pages
[21:21] <mukul> alsroot, ok
[21:24] <alsroot> mukul: btw, about searching for particular HOWTO, you can all time start w/ http://tldp.org
[21:24] <alsroot> mukul: e.g. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Man-Page/
[21:26] <mukul> alsroot, ok
[21:27] <mukul> alsroot, I think I am not required to create manpages but am required to enable them for viewing
[21:28] <alsroot> mukul: but before viewing you need to create them :)
[21:28] <mukul> alsroot, manpages must be created by respective authors of different packages. Isn't it?
[21:28] <alsroot> mukul: yup, but authors didn't create them
[22:32] <manusheel> alsroot: Thanks a lot for the pointers.
[22:32] <manusheel> Should be good for solving the issues.
[22:33] <alsroot> yw
[22:44] <lfaraone> alsroot: they aren't created, but we can cheat a little and use help2man. I wrote a detailed page on the Debian wiki about it. Really, there's no excuse not to do so :)
[22:46] <alsroot> lfaraone: help2man's output could be a good start for creating regular man pages ;)


[12:53] <DEINOS> im back
[12:54] <DEINOS> edubuntu suport rpm pakages ?
[12:54] <DEINOS> guis
[12:54] <DEINOS> edubuntu suport rpm pakages ?
[12:55] <DEINOS> edubuntu suport rpm pakages ?
[12:57] <danielhedblom> DEINOS: most rpm packages will work if you convert them with alien first
[12:57] <DEINOS> ok
[12:58] <crimsun> it's highly recommended to use native debs from Canonical repositories
[12:58] <crimsun> s/recommended/preferred/
[01:03] <DEINOS> tar xjvf skype-version.tar.bz2
[01:03] <DEINOS> this syntax is correct ?
[01:03] <crimsun> yes
[01:03] <crimsun> you can also just drop the "jf"
[01:04] <crimsun> tar "knows" whether to use bunzip2 or gunzip
[01:04] <DEINOS> tar xv skype-version.tar.bz2
[01:04] <crimsun> err
[01:04] <crimsun> jv, rather
[01:04] <crimsun> just use xf
[01:04] <DEINOS> hum
[01:05] <DEINOS> what is qt 3.2 ?
[01:05] <DEINOS> do u know ?
[01:11] <crimsun> what about it?
[01:15] <maxamillion> highvoltage: you around?
[01:18] <maxamillion> darn ... :/
[02:03] <knixtech> hello friends
[03:11] <bddebian> HOwdy
[04:37] <LaserJock> hi Amaranth
[04:42] <Amaranth> hey
[04:42] <Amaranth> just got my computer working again
[04:48] <LaserJock> heh
[04:48] <LaserJock> Amaranth: how's willowng going?
[04:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: It's not right now, I just spent the last 2 days getting my computer working again so I could work on my project for school
[04:56] <knixtech> night all
[04:59] <LaserJock> Amaranth: ah yeah, I know the feeling
[04:59] <LaserJock> I spent like 3 days trying to get my computer upgraded to edgy
[04:59] <LaserJock> including several drive wipes
[05:29] <Jones_> Where can I get edubuntu graphics?
[05:29] <Jones_> particularly the graphic involving a chalk board/classroom
[05:29] <LaserJock> edubuntu-artwork
[05:36] <Jones_> thanks
[05:38] <Jones_> LaserJock: How do I make my brush in gimp bigger?
[07:44] <cbx33> mornin all
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday :)
[07:45] <cbx33> Hi Kamping_Kaiser
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> any thougthts on this: use my laptop as an ltsp server, or build a dapper chroot to build it in on my edgy desktop?
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> cos ltsp in edgy is t3h broken atm
[07:47] <cbx33> hmm
[07:47] <cbx33> i used a lappie for ltsp
[07:47] <cbx33> had 9 clients running off it
[07:47] <cbx33> was a dell d600 so not hugely powerful
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm trying to get it going for work, but trialing at home
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> er, apt.conf
[07:49] <cbx33> Kamping_Kaiser, you should be able to type
[07:50] <cbx33> export http_proxy=http://.......................
[07:50] <cbx33> before running it...
[07:50] <cbx33> that'll get passed to every subshell down the line
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> cooooool. could i do that system wide in /etc/bash ?
[07:53] <cbx33> yes
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay!
[07:55] <cbx33> oh dear
[07:56] <cbx33> wb Burgwork
[08:09] <danielhedblom> when i start my thin client i get this message and are the dropped into busybox "nfsmount: need a path"
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> danielhedblom, wish i could help, but i'm having a battle with ltsp myself :)
[08:13] <danielhedblom> thanks anyway :D
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> aw :( dapper ltsp doesnt have --debug
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :|
[08:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, i used the http-proxy thing and ltsp-build-client wouldnt download anythign :|
[08:18] <danielhedblom> is there any documentation on the edubuntu ltsp implementation or is it really a stock ltsp install?
[08:20] <RichEd> danielhedblom: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[08:20] <RichEd> look for the LTSP items on that page
[08:22] <cbx33> Hi guys
[08:22] <cbx33> I'll be back soon
[08:22] <cbx33> I'll try to help y'all out then ;)
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[08:31] <danielhedblom> RichEd: i have read all of it but to be frank, it is a bit thin
[08:31] <danielhedblom> ;D
[08:32] <RichEd> And have you looked through the cookbook ?
[08:35] <danielhedblom> yep
[08:36] <danielhedblom> i have problem with what should be put into our DHCP server, the documentation only talks about how you config a local DHCP on the ltsp box
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it posable to do a minimal install in the chroot, and just install selected packages? (GDM in my case)
[08:43] <danielhedblom> i think the install is pretty minimal as it is
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can see x being installed
[08:44] <danielhedblom> you need X for gdm
[08:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'd just rather not have the whole lot
[08:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> -core should do
[09:15] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: My i386 chroot is just under 500mb.
[09:16] <cafuego> but that does include 2 kernels, package lists and some stuff in /var/cache/apt
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego, herm. i'll have to check when my restart my ssh connection... seems to have died.
[09:16] <cafuego> powerpc is just over 500mb
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Get:241 http://mirror.internode.on.net dapper/main xwd 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 [15.8kB]     53.0kB/s 1s  <- and my ssh connection died
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> does that mean i have to redo the install ? :S
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> or can i chroot the dir and 'dpkg --configure --pending'?
[09:21] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: I think so
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i managed to stuff up there :| i have proc mounted into the chroot, but i want to delete it :(
[09:26] <cafuego> just umount it
[09:26] <cafuego> (from outside the chroot
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant :(
[09:34] <cafuego> Oh, the chroot is in use?
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, the host server is.
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> the chroot has proc mounted, somehow, and i can work it out
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i have removed mostof the chroot (before it threw up), so i'm not sure whats happening there
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ssh died again. wonder whats causing it
[09:39] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Oh, you mounted /proc from with in the chroot,. as opposed to an external bind mount?
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, iirc... i dont have access to my bash history atm
[09:42] <cafuego> Move the old chroot out of the way for the moment and run screen to set up the new one.
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc is what i ran
[09:42] <cafuego> That ort to do.
[09:43] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, that's within. I would normally run "sudo mount -o bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc"
[09:43] <cafuego> That way the mounting is done externally to the chroot.
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might have to look at that next time
[09:44] <cafuego> Well, in THEORY if you ran "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 umount /proc" you should be fine, btw.
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego, if i run 'screen' that puts me inside a screen sesion doesnt it?
[09:44] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: yep
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[09:44] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Which means that if ssh dies, you can reconnect and re-attach the screen session.
[09:44] <danielhedblom> i need a dhcp.conf from anyone who run dhcp separate from the ltsp server
[09:45] <cafuego> danielhedblom: You need "next-server <ip of tftp server>;"
[09:45] <danielhedblom> tftp works just fine
[09:45] <danielhedblom> its the nfs mounting that barfs
[09:45] <cafuego> danielhedblom: root-path
[09:45] <danielhedblom> oki
[09:46] <cafuego> option root-path "<IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386";
[09:46] <danielhedblom> cufego, thanks
[09:46] <cafuego> danielhedblom: I actually just bung that into my pxelinux.cfg/default; append="nfs_root=host:/path"
[09:47] <cafuego> Both should work, anyway.
[09:47] <danielhedblom> ill try that right away
[09:47] <danielhedblom> =)
[09:48] <cafuego> www.cafuego.net/stuff/dhcpd.conf
[09:50] <danielhedblom> sweeet
[09:51] <cafuego> Note that to netboot the macs, you DO need to pass nfs_root=blah:/foo
[09:51] <cafuego> they seem to ignore the dhcpd options :-)
[09:52] <danielhedblom> trying....
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay for apple :)
[09:52] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Didya see my imac array pic?
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego, no, havent seen them
[09:53] <cafuego> www.cafuego.net/stuff/iMacEdubuntuArraySmall.jpg
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. nice :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asume 2 macs get mice, and 2 get keyboards? ;)
[09:54] <cafuego> That was my setup for SFD; (I had keyboards & mice for all)
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> swoot
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much rams in those buggers?
[09:55] <cafuego> Oh, you need to run gstreamer-properties for all remote logins and choose 'esound', so that remote sound works.
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 sound works?
[09:56] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: In between 64 and 512M; they only netboot, so it hardly matters.
[09:56] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Yup.
[09:56] <danielhedblom> strange, i see the rootpath as rootpath: <IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386 but the bugger still complains about nfsmount: need a path
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego, i'm trying to get some pcs booting, so i was wondering if the 256 they had was good
[09:57] <cafuego> danielhedblom: Check the mkinitramfs config; it may be hardcoded in there. If so, use the nfs_root= kernel param (or regenerate the initrd).
[09:57] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Even 32Mb will probably do just fine.
[09:57] <danielhedblom> cafuego: but the path is ok from what i can see
[09:57] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: After all, they only run kernel + ldm
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> will it cache in the 'extra' ram, or just ignore it?
[09:58] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: All apps run on the SERVER.
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> herm. ok. sounds like sfa for 256mb of ram
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego, yes, i know about that bit :)
[10:08] <maxamillion> highvoltage: you around?
[10:14] <TeePOG> good morning
[10:15] <danielhedblom> morning sir
[10:16] <TeePOG> sir? wow, haven't been called sir since i quit teaching
[10:16] <TeePOG> :-D
[10:17] <cbx33> TeePOG: you were a teacher
[10:17] <danielhedblom> the kids called you sir? posh school?
[10:17] <danielhedblom> im glad if they call me old git
[10:17] <cbx33> they do here too
[10:17] <cbx33> danielhedblom: heheh
[10:17] <TeePOG> cbx33: teaching student actually... on my first practical i almost comitted murder, so i quit
[10:18] <cbx33> TeePOG: eeek
[10:18] <TeePOG> not gonna take kids' k*k
[10:18] <cbx33> mornin mr pygi
[10:22] <TeePOG> i did come out of teaching college with one firm resolution: my kids are being home-schooled... I've never seen as much alcohol and hard drug abuse as in that college
[10:22] <TeePOG> those @$$holes aren't teaching my kids, sorry
[10:22] <TeePOG> excuse my language
[10:22] <cbx33> TeePOG: where was this?
[10:22] <danielhedblom> college isnt a place where i would put my kids
[10:22] <danielhedblom> not before i have checked it up thouroghly atleast
[10:22] <TeePOG> the college formerly known as NKP... currently University of Pretoria's School for Teachers
[10:22] <TeePOG> Groenkloof, Pretoria
[10:22] <cbx33> I see
[10:22] <cbx33> ;)
[10:22] <TeePOG> i don't mean college where kids go... I mean the college where the teachers are trained
[10:22] <TeePOG> so you understand my revulsion
[10:22] <cbx33> yeh
[10:22] <cafuego> if you replace hard for soft, it sounds like my uni ;-)
[10:22] <danielhedblom> heh, where i live teachers are the ones who are most reluctant to learn anything
[10:22] <pygi> morning all
[10:23] <cbx33> Mr pygi !!!!!
[10:25] <cbx33> sorry dude
[10:29] <TeePOG> hi RichEd!
[10:29] <TeePOG> hi willvdl
[10:29] <pygi> heh cbx33 :P
[10:30] <willvdl> hey there
[10:30] <willvdl> how's things
[10:31] <pygi> hey willvdl
[10:31] <willvdl> morning
[10:31] <cbx33> hi willvdl
[10:32] <willvdl> hey
[10:38] <RichEd> hi ... damn adsl reset <- I need to make a script for that message !
[10:38] <juliux> RichEd, did you try to disconnect your modem manual in the night ?
[10:38] <juliux> is the knot3 image als available on a mirror?
[10:38] <TeePOG> brb, rebooting
[10:38] <RichEd> juliux: yep ... it moved the daily reset time ... but an unexpected reset a few days later moved the daily reset time back to mid-morning work hours
[10:40] <juliux> hm i need 4hourse for the knot3 image
[10:40] <RichEd> willvdl: wassup with nepad workshop - did they get back to you ?
[10:41] <willvdl> sort of. very funny
[10:41] <RichEd> juliux: are you going to be at the meeting today ?
[10:41] <RichEd> willvdl: explain the humour ?
[10:42] <juliux> RichEd, you mean the weekly one?
[10:42] <RichEd> yep ... 12:00 UTC today
[10:43] <juliux> RichEd, i will try it
[10:45] <TeePOG> hi hi
[10:47] <pygi> cbx33: muahaha, last bug fix commited ;)
[10:47] <cbx33> eh?
[10:48] <RichEd> juliux: I'll try to get that country questions to you soon ... we can maybe do an email response and a quick sidebar discussion before the meeting
[10:48] <juliux> ok
[10:49] <pygi> cbx33: the last standing bug for libburn release is squashed ;)
[10:49] <RichEd> fr today, I just want to identify topics & sections in general
[10:49] <juliux> RichEd, sounds good
[10:55] <TeePOG> i just nearly crapped myself... VMWare Player didn't work after the kernel update... then I remembered the vmmon modules are compiled per kernel ^.^
[10:57] <cbx33> pygi: excellent
[10:57] <cbx33> TeePOG: heheh
[10:57] <TeePOG> the thing is, this specific VM is a Doze machine running our cafe management s/w
[10:58] <cbx33> yuk :p
[10:59] <TeePOG> so it's critical... luckily, it's easy to backup... just cp the whole directory containing the VM files to another HD
[10:59] <cbx33> indeed
[11:04] <juliux> RichEd, you have an e-mail ;)
[11:07] <RichEd> great :)
[11:08] <cbx33> willvdl: email looks good
[11:09] <willvdl> cool. need to flesh out some obvious bits
[11:10] <cbx33> ping Amaranth
[11:10] <willvdl> This afternoon I'll drop a mail to ubuntu-marketing for comment
[11:10] <cbx33> cool
[11:11] <cbx33> willvdl: the ESA wiki page is old
[11:11] <cbx33> the actual doc is in the doc team repo
[11:11] <willvdl> ah. link?
[11:11] <cbx33> hang on
[11:12] <cbx33> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html
[11:13] <willvdl> thanks. doh, I had been through that actually :)
[11:13] <cbx33> ;)
[11:13] <willvdl> this is for 6.10
[11:13] <cbx33> please link to that one
[11:13] <willvdl> 6.06 is then the ESA wiki page?
[11:13] <cbx33> the only thing left on that pother page are my mock ups for the printed version
[11:14] <cbx33> no that http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html is the 6.06 page
[11:14] <cbx33> 6.10 hasn't been written yet
[11:14] <willvdl> abstract refers to 6.10
[11:17] <willvdl> so we can (almost) completely revamp the ESA page?
[11:17] <cbx33> oh
[11:17] <cbx33> yes
[11:17] <cbx33> totally
[11:17] <cbx33> ;)
[11:18] <willvdl> brillo. can use it as a central depot
[11:43] <TeePOG> i cannot remember if I asked this before... are there any plans to backport Sabayon to dapper?
[12:18] <cbx33> ogra: hi
[12:22] <TeePOG> hi ogra
[12:25] <cbx33> ogra: did you get some bad feedback for artwork?
[12:39] <cbx33> brb
[12:40] <RichEd> ping will
[12:40] <RichEd> willvdl: ping
[12:43] <willvdl> pong -> sidebar?
[12:59] <RichEd> jsgotangco: boing
[01:05] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hi!
[01:06] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco : msg in 2
[01:07] <jsgotangco> okay
[01:11] <pygi> jsgotangco: !!!
[01:18] <jsgotangco> hi!!!
[01:21] <ogra> cbx33, the usplash needs to be fixed and should be a bit less saturated ... also we need to make the png smaller, a 2MB pic isnt really helpful via nfs on an ltsp client
[01:22] <ogra> according to matts mail beta freeze is tomorrow :/
[01:22] <ogra> i somehow thought it was the 28th, but thats beta *release* actually
[01:23] <ogra> i'm also not yet soure what to do about gdm
[01:31] <airjump> hello
[01:35] <juliux> hi airjump
[01:36] <airjump> hi
[01:40] <airjump> hello ?
[01:41] <RichEd> ? olleh
[01:42] <airjump> sorry my intenet account is end bye
[01:56] <rodarvus> Edubuntu meeting in 5 minutes, right?
[01:56] <rodarvus> (four minutes now :) )
[01:56] <juliux> i think so
[01:56] <jono> rodarvus, yep
[01:56] <jono> unfortunatly I can't make it
[01:57] <pips1> jono: booo
[01:57] <pips1> ;-)
[01:57] <danielhedblom> hi there
[01:57] <jono> pips1, :P
[01:57] <pips1> hi danielhedblom
[01:57] <rodarvus> jono, you're not the only one
[01:58] <danielhedblom> why does this not work?
[01:58] <danielhedblom>  next-server <IP_ADDRESS>;
[01:58] <danielhedblom>  option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[01:58] <danielhedblom>  filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[01:58] <rodarvus> ogra & I are likely to not be able to attend it much too
[01:58] <pips1> rodarvus: :-(
[01:58] <danielhedblom> next server should be enough for tftp boot right?
[01:58] <ogra> ist not needed if the server is the same as the dhcp server in ubuntu
[01:59] <ogra> is that edgy ?
[01:59] <rodarvus> pips1, beta freeze is tomorrow + I have other unrelated stuff needing real care :/
[01:59] <pips1> ic
[02:00] <pips1> ogra, will you be able to give a quick update?
[02:00] <ogra> five lines or so probably
[02:00] <RichEd> thanks
[02:01] <RichEd> --- edubuntu meeting #ubuntu-meeting ------ NOW ----
[02:02] <danielhedblom> ogra, the DHCP is out of my control and on another server
[02:07] <danielhedblom> the server im running ltsp on is an edubuntu 5.10
[02:15] <TeePOG> is the meeting closed? who's invited?
[02:16] <pips1> TeePOG: no, it's is open for everyone, join us at #ubuntu-meeting
[02:20] <cbx33> ogra: I'm here now
[02:21] <pips1> cbx33: we are in the meeting..
[02:21] <cbx33> oh shute
[03:02] <danielhedblom> hello
[03:07] <TeePOG> hi danielhedblom
[03:10] <danielhedblom> i cant for my life get ltsp on edubuntu working
[03:10] <danielhedblom> this is the current dhcp setup:
[03:10] <danielhedblom> next-server <IP_ADDRESS>;
[03:11] <danielhedblom> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[03:11] <danielhedblom> filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[03:12] <danielhedblom> at one place ive read that option root-path should be "<IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386/ and on another it says edubuntu only can handle "/opt/ltsp/i386"
[03:13] <danielhedblom> for me tftp works with the first one but nfs mount fails and busybox is what i get
[03:14] <danielhedblom> with the latter option tftp dont work
[03:15] <danielhedblom> the dhcp server is a borderware server
[03:17] <highvoltage> borderware?
[03:17] <danielhedblom> the error i see when booting is ARP timeout
[03:17] <danielhedblom> ahh, no its a regular Linuxbox, the firewall is borderware
[03:18] <highvoltage> is the firewall blocking any ports?
[03:18] <danielhedblom> well, dhcp works just fine, its just that there seams to be a conflict with what tftp needs and what is needed for nfs to mount properly
[03:19] <danielhedblom> i sadly dont have the option of running my own dhcp
[03:22] <highvoltage> danielhedblom: is port 111 open on the firewall (see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspPorts )
[03:25] <highvoltage> RichEd: wb
[03:26] <danielhedblom> highvoltage: its free highway from client to server
[03:28] <highvoltage> danielhedblom: I've seen this at a school earlier this week, with a gigabit connection between the server and switch, this happened. with 100mbps, it worked fine.
[03:28] <highvoltage> are you also using a gbit connection between server and switch by any chance?
[03:29] <danielhedblom> well, i think it is
[03:29] <highvoltage> can you check what happens with a 100mbps connection?
[03:30] <danielhedblom> highvoltage: i will have to do it off hours
[03:30] <highvoltage> ah
[03:31] <danielhedblom> very longshot bug =)
[03:31] <knixtech> morning
[03:31] <highvoltage> very indeed. although I've come across it monday, and couldn't find another explanation :(
[03:32] <danielhedblom> i have 90 clients on this box so 100mbit/s will be a tad narrow but ill try it
[03:34] <ogra> ARP timeouts are definately a network prob ... not a software one
[03:34] <danielhedblom> ogra, the thing is, i can get pxe going if i alter the option root-path setting
[03:35] <ogra> root-path has nothing to do with PXE ...
[03:35] <ogra> only with NFS
[03:36] <danielhedblom> i know, thats what puzzles me
[03:38] <danielhedblom> should next-server <IP_ADDRESS>; be outside the subnet range ?
[03:42] <danielhedblom> that is, not inside range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:15] <TeePOG> wb Kamping_Kaiser
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty TeePOG
[05:17] <TeePOG> eeep! i hope it's a hearty beer-fuelled German hug and not a lavender-smelling French hug with an ass-grab
[05:17] <TeePOG> *efg*
[05:17] <willvdl> No Frenchman smells of lavender...
[05:17] <TeePOG> arrrrr, manly things, arrrrr
[05:18] <TeePOG> true willvdl... showers are unheard of there
[05:18] <TeePOG> so many racial slurs, so little time :-D
[05:19] <TeePOG> but seriously Kamping_Kaiser... what's with the hugging anyway?
 eeep! i hope it's a hearty beer-fuelled German hug <-, yes it is ... or as close as a full-of-beer aussie-of-german-desent can get
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, i'm in a hugging mood
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you spoke to me :)
[05:20] <TeePOG> ahhhhh, so you're descended from German marauders arrested in the English countryside and sent packing to Oz on the next prison ship...
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[05:20] <TeePOG> good grief, if everyone I spoke to hugged me, I'd have like 27 VDs in 2 days
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> VDs?
[05:20] <TeePOG> hi nixternal, Electro
[05:21] <TeePOG> VDs = Venereal Diseases
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[05:21] <TeePOG> i'd catch crabs and work up from there
[05:22] <Electro> I've got a problem with my updates, it always get them from an australian server, not from a local european server
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Electro :)
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds like you want to change your sources.list :)
[05:22] <TeePOG> what does your sources.list say?
[05:22] <Electro> where is it
[05:22] <TeePOG> Kamping_Kaiser: SNAP
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, :)
[05:22] <TeePOG> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Electro, /etc/apt/sources.list, or if its chrooted, its in /opt/ltsp/
[05:23] <nixternal> hiya TeePOG
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> $arch/$path
[05:23] <Electro> does it also work for synaptic
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nixternal
[05:23] <TeePOG> damn, i tried to use tab-completion on the command-line... inside xchat *^.^*
[05:23] <nixternal> hiya Kamping_Kaiser ;)
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> TeePOG, :D
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nixternal :) *hugs*
[05:26] <Electro> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[05:26] <Electro> deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[05:26] <Electro> does THAT help
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Electro, what country are you in?
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> change au to the iso code for your country
[05:26] <Electro> bosnia, but I know perfect english
[05:27] <Electro> so which iso code
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Electro, just use de instead of au
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> not exactly your country, but close enough
[05:27] <Electro> can I use ba
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> try it
[05:28] <TeePOG> back
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[05:29] <TeePOG> personally, i'd just take out the au. whatever and use the main servers... unless your isp has a mirror, in which case you use their address
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> the main servers also do gb, so they are kinda loaded
[05:30] <TeePOG> what about nl?
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> using anything but helps keep them alive
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> would be ok
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> (not sure where its hosted actually)
[05:30] <Electro> ba works
[05:31] <Electro> thank heavens
[05:31] <Electro> this speeded stuff up lots
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:32] <Electro> the thing was that I reinstalled edubuntu after a fiasco with Roaring Penguin
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> nwo you wont slow my dist-upgrades down :D
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> *now
[05:33] <Electro> in hopes of getting a graphical approach to internet connections like in WinXP
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> what did you want?
[05:34] <Electro> you know, like in WinXP, the connection is displayed with the notifications
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, yeh.
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> if thats what your into, ok ;)
[05:35] <Electro> so I was searching and got that, but it messed up my connections and I couldn't get rid of it because it was alien-ed
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:35] <Electro> what is the terminal command to delete a file
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> aliend debs are suppoesd tob e removedable
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> rm
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> -r for recursive, -f for force
[05:36] <Electro> Can Java work on Edubuntu
[05:36] <Electro> the Runtime Environment
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. / i asume / so
[05:38] <Electro> the Roaring Penguin package was in Synaptic but it got only "removed" and it didn't actually get deleted so I got sick of it and grabbed my live-cd and booted it to reinstall edubuntu
[05:38] <Electro> what a nightmare
[05:39] <Electro> thanks for the help with the sources
[05:39] <Electro> I was crawling at 10 kilobytes
[05:39] <Electro> now I'm going 30 kbytes and speedily get my update done in an hour
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. :)
[06:21] <LaserJock> hi pygi
[06:22] <pygi> hi LaserJock, how is you?
[06:24] <LaserJock> fine
[06:24] <LaserJock> just getting into work
[06:25] <pygi> LaserJock: nice :)
[06:40] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:40] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:10] <LaserJock> ogra: no roof?
[07:10] <ogra> yep
[07:11] <ogra> they are setting up the solar heating
[07:11] <LaserJock> oh
[07:11] <ogra> so they disassembled the complete roof
[07:11] <LaserJock> I thought maybe the wind blew it off
[07:11] <ogra> heh, no
[07:11] <ogra> then i would rant more
[07:11] <ogra> :)
[07:12] <LaserJock> you seemed awefully calm ;-)
[07:36] <juliux> can somebody confirm that the bittorrent download from the knot3 edubuntu install cd isnt working?
[08:07] <highvoltage> hey maxamillion
[08:07] <maxamillion> hello
[08:07] <maxamillion> i was just about to /msg you :)
[08:33] <paolob> Hi ogra! Do you remember the patch to gnome-power-manager? Could you prepare the corresponding deb?
[09:04] <Petaris> hrm
[09:04] <Petaris> the AD auth on my ltsp server seems to dislike certain users
[09:04] <Petaris> it just doesn't let them login
[09:04] <Petaris> its odd
[09:05] <Petaris> usually resetting their password fixes it
[09:05] <Petaris> there also seems to be a delay after changing the password before they can login
[09:06] <Petaris> sometimes it wont let them login unless the client is restarted
[09:06] <Petaris> its odd
[09:06] <Petaris> highvoltage: consider yourself lucky
[09:06] <highvoltage> :)
[09:14] <Burgwork> Petaris, could you write up a doc on how to hook up Edubuntu to AD?
[09:26] <Petaris> Burgwork: not too much to write, the software pretty much took care of it
[09:26] <Petaris> I used sadms (http://sadms.sourceforge.net)
[09:27] <LaserJock> I don't even know what active directory is
[09:27] <Petaris> It is very similar to waht ajmitch was working on I think
[09:27] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you are more sane for it
[09:27] <Petaris> LaserJock: sometimes ignorance is bliss
[09:27] <LaserJock> I kinda caught the idea from context
[09:28] <Petaris> Burgwork: There was pretty good documentation from sadms (not that you need much to figure it out)
[09:28] <Petaris> and I am using LinNeighborhood to map to the shares for their homes
[09:29] <Petaris> I would like to find a solution that does it automagically using the users AD profile settings
[09:29] <Petaris> but I'm not sure how to proceed there
[09:40] <Petaris> Is there anyone else here doing AD authentication?
[09:48] <Petaris> time to go
[09:48] <Petaris> later all
[10:27] <pygi> hello everyone
[10:31] <progers> hi
[11:17] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[11:40] <JJF> hi guys
[11:41] <cbx33> Hi
[11:41] <JJF> hi cbx
[11:41] <cbx33> listen I'm really sorry I'm late in tonight, ogra I'll understand if you're ticked at me....
[11:41] <Burgwork> cbx33, umm?
[11:42] <cbx33> my main machine blew up....I've managed to get a new proc/mobo/graphics for it, but I'm still setting it up....
[11:42] <cbx33> this has been a BAD evening
[11:42] <cbx33> everyone here is walking round with freakin black clouds over their heads
[11:42] <paolob-parroquia> hi ogra! Is the patched (no hibernation) gnome-power-manager package available for download somewhere?
[11:42] <cbx33> my wife is ticked at her machine cos it's screwing up, my brother inlaw is having other PC related issues
[11:43] <cbx33> ogra: will tomorrow be ok for those patche or does it have to be today?
[11:43] <cbx33> Burgwork: I have some changes to make to some packages, my PC has been causing me severe headaches
[11:44] <ogra> cbx33, ask mdz, i cant thing anymore 45h awake and 7000km traveled in ths time
[11:44] <cbx33> ogra: ok dude, I'm sorry
[11:45] <cbx33> did we get an answer on the crushed idea?
[11:45] <ogra> i have a whole bunch of artwork fixes in, but its not complete yet
[11:45] <cbx33> what do you need from me?
[11:45] <ogra> i thought you would test it ... didnt know about your PC
[11:46] <cbx33> ogra: yeh me neither.....came home....almost cried
[11:46] <cbx33> couldn't have come at a worse time
[11:46] <cbx33> X doesn't work on my new PC yet....something about it thinking my new nvidia card is an ATI
[11:46] <cbx33> we had the vets too
[11:47] <cbx33> I couldn't getr here
[11:50] <knixtech> hey guys wassssup
[11:50] <knixtech> quick ? for yas
[11:51] <knixtech>  Checking php.ini: include_path contain .: ini_get('include_path')='/usr/share/php'
[11:51] <knixtech> include_path need to contain "." - the current directory
[11:51] <knixtech> how do i fix this?
[11:52] <cbx33> I can't get hold of mdz at all
[11:54] <pygi> hey cbx33
[11:54] <cbx33> :( hi pygi
[11:54] <pygi> what is it cbx33 ? :-/
[11:54] <cbx33> as you can see today hasn't gone well
[11:55] <cbx33> right well, seeing as I can't get hold of the people I need to, I'm going to have to do the work tomorrow, at work, I'm really sorry for letting you all down....good night
[11:55] <pygi> I haven't seen nothing above. EH, bad for me too. I did everything bad :(
[11:55] <pygi> night cbx33
[11:57] <pygi> cbx33: sorry, sec
[11:57] <cbx33> heh np
[12:09] <mdz> he didn't try very hard
[12:11] <pygi> mdz: ?
[12:12] <mdz> cbx33 pinged me while I was eating lunch, waited 15 minutes and then disconnected
[12:12] <pygi> mdz: ah, he had to go to sleep
[12:13] <pygi> he said he'll get up at 5:00 AM /not sure what TZ tho :P
[12:14] <mdz> BST according to Launchpad
[12:14] <mdz> anyway he didn't say what it was he wanted from me
[12:14] <pygi> mdz: about some changes he must do
[12:14] <mdz> sounds like he was having some difficulty with his machine
[12:15] <pygi> mdz: that as well :) his nvidia being recognized as ati, but he had to do some changes to *something* (SCP and ?)
[12:15] <pygi> probably thats why
[12:15] <pygi> and tommorow being frezee...
[12:16] <mdz> he didn't send me email, so there isn't much hope of him getting in touch with me until his evening tomorrow. oh well.


[22:20] <knome> pleia2, another thing we might want to touch: http://identi.ca/group/xubuntu
[22:20] <pleia2> identi.ca kind of makes my head explode
[22:21] <pleia2> there are one or two trolls there
[22:21] <pleia2> (million!)
[22:21] <pleia2> :)
[22:21] <knome> yeah, but since the group is administered by somebody whose nick (no pun intended) sounds familiar, i think we should get at least the logo updated
[22:22] <pleia2> ah yes, I'll give him a nudge
[22:22] <pleia2> haven't heard from him lately though
[22:22] <knome> just tell him to email me if he needs help with (exporting) artwork
[22:25] <knome> the url on his blog articles image discloses that he has blogged on august. so not years of silence. yet.
[22:25] <pleia2> he's kind of been in and out
[22:27] <knome> just as a final note, however much you hate identi.ca, would you be willing to join as an additional admin (if you have an account)
[22:27] <knome> hah, we're only 37 followers away from identica's numbers on twitter.
[22:28] <pleia2> I suppose, if only for nuclear option recovery
[22:28] <pleia2> am pleia2 there too, but don't use it
[22:28] <knome> just to have somebody from the team that's active (on the team) on the admins.
[22:28] <pleia2> I don't really understand how groups work though
[22:28] <pleia2> yeah
[22:29] <knome> me neither
[22:29] <knome> i don't think it's like an account
[22:29] <knome> i suppose it's more like a group for a hash(exclamation)tag or something
[22:29] <pleia2> yeah
[22:29] <pleia2> why that needs an admin... who knows :)
[22:29] <knome> btw, can others see https://twitter.com/i/connect ?
[22:30] <knome> if not, that's a bit shame
[22:30] <pleia2> no
[22:30] <pleia2> but they can search for @Xubuntu
[22:30] <knome> yup.
[22:31] <pleia2> actually that doesn't do what I wanted
[22:31] <pleia2> bah twitter
[22:31] <knome> lol
[22:31] <knome> my phone asked "should we update the date and time?"
[22:31] <knome> i was like "err"
[22:31] <knome> then "ok"
[22:31] <knome> and it advanced the clock 1 minute.
[22:31] <knome> "ok"
[22:46] <drc> ah...you have the slackware phone...no auto-nothing :)
[22:47] <SkippersBoss> ev; twitter has got its uses
[22:48] <SkippersBoss> evening all
[22:50] <SkippersBoss> on a totally different note. Is there anything doc wise that's going to happen in Ringtail ?
[22:50] <pleia2> we're planning on appointing SkippersBoss the docs lead to figure that out
[22:50] <pleia2> seriously though, let me look at blueprints
[22:50] <SkippersBoss> pleia2, euh you want thing done
[22:50] <SkippersBoss> :_0
[22:51] <pleia2> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-r-xubuntu-docs
[22:51] <pleia2> not a whole lot, looks like
[22:52] <SkippersBoss> Can understand though when you are delegating
[22:53] <pleia2> it's a difficult cycle for me, new job + wedding planning, I'm pretty overwhelmed with Life life :)
[22:54] <SkippersBoss> I thought you two were trying out wedding planners LOL
[22:54] <pleia2> we didn't, that was a mistake :)
[22:54] <pleia2> too late now
[22:55] <knome> pleia2, i can design your invitations, but only if you give me free hands
[22:55] <knome> ;)
[22:59] <SkippersBoss> define free hands
[23:00] <knome> nah


[00:16] <slangasek> xnox: so did you regression-test these latest livecd-rootfs changes against raspi2?
[00:38] <tgm4883> xnox: thanks for your help earlier on the QT stuff, that seems to have fixed the build
[06:31] <highvoltage> stgraber: ack
[06:59] <flocculant> stgraber: can you add Kubuntu in - late to the party ...
[09:35] <flexiondotorg_> balloons, Morning.
[09:35] <flexiondotorg_> UBuntu MATE amd64 is missing from the 16.04 Beta 1 iso tracker.
[09:35] <flexiondotorg_> Can you help with that?
[09:36] <flexiondotorg_> I need to rebuild all the Ubuntu MATE images for 16.04 beta 1 because there are a couple of packages in the archive that I need in the images.
[09:44] <flexiondotorg_> balloons, ^^^ :-)
[10:57] <flexiondotorg_> infinity, cyphermox Ubuntu MATE amd64 is missing from the Xenial Beta 1 iso tracker.
[10:58] <flexiondotorg_> Can you add it please?
[10:58] <flexiondotorg_> I'd like to rebuild the images because there are some Ubuntu MATE packages in the archive I need on the isos.
[11:03] <Laney> flexiondotorg_: Done, but I think that triggering from the daily would have worked too
[11:03] <flexiondotorg_> Laney, Thanks. Also, good to know. Noted.
[11:59] <jamespage> arges, hey - we have a load of SRU's penned up in proposed for trusty and wily for openstack components and ceph
[11:59] <jamespage> they are all verification done - but the http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html report has not been updated since last week, so not sure whether they are appearing on anyone's radar for release to -updates ?
[12:10] <bremner> polymake upstream asks me (debian maintained of polymake) about polymake 3.0r1-4 migrating to release for 16.04. This apparently needs the old armhf binaries removed.  Can someone have a look at the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/polymake/+bug/1542398 or suggest another course of action.
[12:35] <flocculant> flexiondotorg_: for the record - we knew yesterday evening Mate was missing - was due to get added then - it all got hung up when the tracker went down shortly after builds started
[12:36] <flocculant> and - when bug 1547793 fix lands - there will definitely be rebuilds
[12:36] <cjwatson> bremner: done
[12:36] <bremner> cjwatson: thanks!
[12:37] <flexiondotorg_> flocculant, OK.
[12:38] <flocculant> kubuntu were late - waiting for stgraber to wake up and add it to the pile
[12:59] <xnox> slangasek, i did not.
[13:01] <lamont> should I worry that update_excuses shows scads of armhf tests as "In Progress"
[13:11] <arges> jamespage: yikes. hey bdmurray pending-sru.html hasn't been updating in a few days.
[13:12] <arges> (i'm guessing its a bit early for him now)
[13:17] <cjwatson> jamespage,arges: ah, almost certainly a casualty of reboots.  I've killed the stuck process.
[13:17] <cjwatson> bdmurray: ^- FYI
[13:17] <arges> cjwatson: thanks
[13:23]  * flexiondotorg_ wonders if infinity is awake yet so I can "annoy" him as requested?
[14:57] <stgraber> flocculant: kubuntu added, cron disabled and initial image build in progress for it
[14:59] <davmor2> cyphermox: who's in charge of upgrade from trusty to xenial?
[14:59] <cyphermox> davmor2: anyone, what's broken?
[15:00] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1548858
[15:04] <bdmurray> cjwatson: thanks
[15:04] <davmor2> cyphermox: anything else that would be useful there?
[15:05] <cyphermox> maybe what process is running at 100%
[15:05] <cyphermox> ps -ef
[15:06] <cyphermox> the upgrader clearly crashed, just need to find out where
[15:11] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept virtualbox-lts-wily and reject virtualbox-lts-utopic (trusty qieie==
[15:11] <LocutusOfBorg> queue
[15:12] <LocutusOfBorg> with .4 trusty the default stack points to wily, utopic seems useless now
[15:12] <davmor2> cyphermox: done odd thing is, is there is no crash file
[15:29] <davmor2> cyphermox: anything else you need from that machine before it melts?
[15:30] <cyphermox> davmor2: I don't know, feel free to reboot it, worst case we'll just try to reproduce it
[15:31] <davmor2> cyphermox: it's my laptop you won't :P
[15:32] <cyphermox> heh
[15:32] <cyphermox> there might be something simple, I'm not sure if very many upgrade tests have been done so far. bdmurray?
[15:34]  * bdmurray is catching up
[15:35] <bdmurray> davmor2: what desktop is this?
[15:36] <davmor2> bdmurray: trusty.4 → xenial beta1 candidate
[15:36] <bdmurray> davmor2: what desktop environment is this? Unity?
[15:37] <davmor2> bdmurray: yeap default install of trusty.4 so unity7 no new app installs
[15:37] <bdmurray> davmor2: hmm, okay - thanks
[15:38] <cyphermox> there might be something simple, I'm not sure if very many upgrade tests have been done so far. bdmurray?
[15:38] <cyphermox> oops, sorry
[15:38] <bdmurray> cyphermox: they are getting set up https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Upgrade/
[15:39] <bdmurray> Oh, I wonder if this had something to do with it. "DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeViewGtk3.py, DistUpgrade/ReleaseNotesViewerWebkit.py: Port to WebKit 2
[15:41] <Laney> Get a trace, no point in wondering
[15:41] <Laney> does that download the new version thing handle dependencies?
[15:42] <bdmurray> probably not
[15:44] <bdmurray> "namespace vte not available for version 2.91"
[15:49] <Laney> :|
[15:49] <Laney> lemme try this
[15:49] <Laney> sounds like the same code has to run back to the previous lts?
[15:51] <flexiondotorg_> Kn1tram.
[15:51]  * Laney eyes flexiondotorg_
[15:54] <bdmurray> Laney: yes, that's correct
[15:54] <Laney> bah
[16:01] <Laney> bdmurray: how do I test this?
[16:02] <Laney> I mean a fixed version
[16:04] <bdmurray> Laney: put the tarball somewhere on a system, extract it and run xenial
[16:20] <bdmurray> Laney: Was that enough information?
[16:21] <Laney> tell you soon
[16:37] <cjwatson> snakefruit (proposed-migration, people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/, etc.) will be going down for reboot for a little while shortly; I've shut down archive cron jobs there in preparation
[16:40] <flocculant> stgraber: ty :)
[16:43] <flocculant> stgraber: re the upower bug - you gonna do a global rebuild - or expect people to do their own?
[16:46] <stgraber> I'm using the same web UI they are, so they may as well do it themselves when they feel like it :)
[16:48] <flocculant> stgraber: okey doke - just wanted to check
[16:49] <flocculant> not seeing kubuntu yet by the way
[16:50] <stgraber> I triggered a rebuild, maybe it's still ongoing
[16:50] <flocculant> ok
[16:50] <stgraber> that or it failed
[16:50] <flocculant> :)
[16:51] <stgraber> looks like it's still going, I see two processes running on nusakan for daily live images
[16:51] <flocculant> ok - thanks for checking :)
[16:51] <flocculant> rebuilding mine now - should get the new upower I assume
[16:53] <cjwatson> snakefruit back
[17:13] <Laney> bdmurray: hash sum mismatch is killing me
[17:15] <bdmurray> Laney: hmm?
[17:15] <Laney> here we go
[17:16] <Laney> I couldn't run the pre-build because of that error
[17:53] <Laney> bdmurray: want to try / review / merge / upload https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-release-upgrader/lp1548858/+merge/286930 ?
[17:53] <Laney> I get a terminal at least
[17:55] <bdmurray> Laney: sure, I'll give it a go
[17:55] <Laney> thanks
[17:55]  * Laney is going to be off, so feel free to fix and merge or whatever
[18:15] <mdeslaur> could someone please delete squid3 from the trusty and wily upload queues please? I'll include that fix in my security update
[18:37] <flocculant> stgraber: kubuntu built - not showing on the tracker though
[18:41] <stgraber> flocculant: I see it here
[18:45] <flocculant> I see it on daily only
[19:04] <cyphermox> could someone please review libcxl in xenial queue?
[19:58] <davmor2> cyphermox: question how would I install a package into ubiquity to test if it fixes the upower issue?  I tried usb pendrive and adding it but there  doesn't appear to be a usable tty, I tried adding it to the iso and burning a new dvd but then it just doesn't boot at all :(
[19:58] <cyphermox> davmor2: ah, I thought I patched this to not crash yesterday
[19:59] <cyphermox> ah, it failed to build
[19:59] <davmor2> cyphermox: No unfortunately there was a real issue in upower
[19:59] <cyphermox> yeah, I know
[20:00] <cyphermox> so I would usually boot to a live session and then apt upgrade from a PPA or something
[20:00] <davmor2> cyphermox: so that has been built now, but is stuck in proposed till it can be tested but I can't get it installed
[20:01] <davmor2> cyphermox: but it only crashes in the ubiquity session not the live session I think
[20:02] <cyphermox> upower should be as crashy in both
[20:02] <cyphermox> your other option is to break=bottom in the command-line and copy/install packages from busybox, but that is painful
[20:02] <davmor2> cyphermox: oh well in that case I'll burn the real iso again and test in live cd mode when I get back from Shopping
[20:03] <cyphermox> ok
[20:37] <jibel> cyphermox, could you respin a desktop image that includes upower 0.99.4-2? users say it's still crashing but I am not sure they are testing the right thing
[20:39] <jibel> davmor2, what is stuck in proposed?
[20:54] <lamont> I'm curious why bind9_9.10.3.dfsg.P2-4 is still stuck in -proposed
[20:54] <lamont> and update_excuses is not making that clear to me
[20:55] <apw> lamont, it is tied up with debian-installer, and thus with the kernel
[20:56] <lamont> oh, right
[20:57] <apw> i've recently released that kernel as the testing is as good as it can be, so it may all migrate now
[20:57] <lamont> thank you, kind sir
[20:57]  * lamont goes back to arguing with what he's supposed to be arguing with
[21:09] <cyphermox> jibel: sorry, EACCESS
[21:09] <davmor2> jibel: that's what I'm trying to brute force test now
[21:34] <davmor2> cyphermox, jibel: right Live session, Up and running and crashing ubiquity when I run it.  Installed the new package and then run sudo service upower restart and it's still crashing, I've enabled wifi and I'm going to do and apt get update and see if I missed a package restart it upwer and try again
[21:38] <cyphermox> libupower-glib3?
[21:40] <davmor2> cyphermox: nope installed that no change
[21:41] <davmor2> cyphermox: still giving me the crash line
[21:45] <cyphermox> mkay
[21:45] <cyphermox> well, I don't know, you'd have to make sure things are up to date but it should be just upower packages
[21:45] <cyphermox> plus this doesn't use any library, just straight dbus calls
[21:45] <cyphermox> which means as long as upowerd was really restarted it should work
[21:46] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeap watched the indicator die and start again so I assume that means it got restarted
[21:47] <davmor2> just did a grep power list.txt and list.txt contained the contents of apt list --upgradeable
[21:49] <davmor2> not sure what else to try I don't really want to install the 133 updates from proposed most of which is libreoffice anyway
[21:54] <davmor2> cyphermox: any idea's
[21:54] <ianorlin> is this about bug 1547488 as on an installed xenial system I had a crash that was a duplicate of that and looking at the changelog I got a crash marked as a duplicate and the changelog of upower cited that bug
[21:56] <davmor2> ianorlin: yes this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1547793
[22:00] <davmor2> cyphermox: if it helps I can possibly brute force you ssh access to the mac I'm testing on
[22:05]  * davmor2 calls it a night too tired now
[22:12] <cyphermox> nah I'll write the daily to usb and run this on my own laptop
[22:13] <cyphermox> too many computers, not enough room on my desk
[22:22] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: do you still want squid3 3.3.8-1ubuntu6.5 from trusty and 3.3.8-1ubuntu16.1 from wily deleted?
[22:22]  * jdstrand happens to be looking at the queue and can do it
[22:57] <marlinc> Is there a PPA I can try for the Unity 8 stuff on Xenial?
[22:58] <marlinc> So that I can for example try the OpenStore (if that's even possible)
[23:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I deleted them based on conversations elsewhere
[23:16] <flexiondotorg_> infinity, Ping.


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[07:52] <elacheche> Morning!
[08:04] <Na3iL> morning elacheche
[08:17] <elacheche> Na3iL, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-awesome ?
[08:21] <Dro__> morning elacheche Na3iL nabdev
[08:23] <elacheche> Yo Dro__
[08:24] <Dro__> !learn ubuntu  est un système d’exploitation open source basé sur la distribution Linux Debian.
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[09:29] <elacheche> !learn ubuntu est un système d’exploitation LIBRE basé sur la distribution GNU/Linux Debian.
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[09:29] <elacheche> This is better :)
[09:29] <elacheche> :p
[09:30] <elacheche> Dro__, think that you'll like this http://pad.tn/p/BotWar
[09:39] <Dro__> not really :p
[09:40] <Dro__> !whoset ubuntu
[09:51] <elacheche> chaker, I still waiting for your feedback about awesome :)
[09:52] <Na3iL> elacheche, did I answered about the awesome team on launchpad? my connection is suck :')
[09:53] <elacheche> nope
[09:54] <Na3iL> is a project like Ubuntu GNOME, it would be much better if we can create an ubuntu version LTS based on awesome wm environment..
[09:57] <elacheche> :D Na3iL Am trying to do the same thing those days → I'm working on Sabily.. Unfortunatly ADSL is down so I stopped doing that for 2 days.. Hope that I can work on that again during the weekend
[09:58] <Na3iL> very cool, then you think the project will be going through the right way?
[09:58] <elacheche> Na3iL, you should change the Name! you can't use that name! You need to use "Ubuntu Awesome Remix" otherwise you'll get a mail from Canonical soon, and you'll do it at the end :)
[10:00] <Na3iL> ah I understand, then I should remove all the pages (wiki) and make another documentation?
[10:00] <elacheche> Now technically what you should do is to start thinking what packages should be included in the disto.. As you use awesome so USERS will assume that it's a very light disto.. So you need to choice a light apps stack to install, like a LuaKit or dwb as web browser, etc.. I'll help finding the right apps names when I can..
[10:00] <elacheche> don't remove, just rename
[10:00] <Na3iL> otherwise I can keep the like which is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAwesome and  I change just the name
[10:00] <Na3iL> oh cool
[10:01] <Na3iL> good, so I need u to be a part from the team
[10:01] <elacheche> Let me finish whit the technical stuff.. After listng what you'll install in the distor, start by creating a PPA and getting those apps.. So when you'll create the ISO you'll use the PPA.. It's better than use the DEBs :) ;)
[10:02] <Na3iL> understood
[10:02] <elacheche> Na3iL, I think that you should know me better :D am always in all teams..  And trying to revive Sabily (playing with ISO customizartions).. :)
[10:04] <Na3iL> I see, I'll do it asap :D
[10:04] <elacheche> If I'll get back my ADSL during this weekend I'll try to generate a First Sabily ISO based on 14.04.. If I'll get to that point I'll blog it and share everything with you and the Sabily's ML..
[10:06] <elacheche> Ah! Just before I forgot, for a lighweight web browser.. LuaKit sucks :/ dwb is nice and uses VIM keybanding BUT, it's DEAD :'( You should try the alternatives listed in their website to choice a better one :)
[10:06] <Na3iL> awesome! hope that you back your ADSL as soon as possible
[10:07] <elacheche> And there is this project → https://github.com/breach/breach_core Have no idea if it's lightweight or not.. And it's still not stable, you should try it :)
[10:07] <Na3iL> okay, otherwise I'll need your help every time to do that
[10:08] <elacheche> I'll help with every thing I can :)
[10:09] <Na3iL> thanks bro :)
[10:09] <chaker> elacheche: Sorry I was busy doing some statistics on #ubuntu-tn
[10:11] <elacheche> How is that?
[10:13] <chaker> Nothing just counting number of msg each one post it :p
[10:13] <elacheche> irc?
[10:14] <chaker> Yep
[10:15] <elacheche> I like you more and more chaker :) I was planning to do that → I have a good usage for that :)
[10:22] <chaker> http://chaker.tn/ubuntu.png
[10:22] <chaker> This only for 2015
[10:29] <Na3iL> nice job chaker
[10:29] <elacheche> chaker1, you'll share that on github?? I'll need you in our next project :)
[10:30] <chaker1> I will I'm working on it now, And I will be happy to perticipate
[10:30] <chaker1> particitpate*
[10:31] <Na3iL> elacheche, I need your feedback if you have time about this → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAwesome/GettingInvolved
[10:31] <SalahMessaoud> Bonjour ! o/
[10:31] <Na3iL> good morning SalahMessaoud
[10:32] <elacheche> Hey SalahMessaoud, nizarus :)
[10:33] <elacheche> Na3iL, I'll do during the weekend :) right now I can just chat here because I'm working :)
[10:33] <SalahMessaoud> ça va Na3iL elacheche  ?
[10:33] <Na3iL> okay elacheche, 7amdoullah et toi SalahMessaoud
[10:33] <elacheche> chaker, great :) thanks dude :) Just don't forget to add a Free license ;)
[10:34] <SalahMessaoud> hmd labes :D
[10:34] <elacheche> yep SalahMessaoud :) Am so happy as there is some interaction in here :) I know that this interaction will move to the ML soon :)
[10:34] <Na3iL> :D
[10:35] <SalahMessaoud> Awesome :D I don't like ML, way to much reading
[10:35] <SalahMessaoud> :D
[10:35] <SalahMessaoud> lazy to do so :D
[10:35] <elacheche> x)
[10:35] <elacheche> I'm not surprised :) You're lazy since the  first day we met here :D
[10:35] <elacheche> :p
[19:27] <Na3iL> yo Dro__