[08:29] <Noskcaj10> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed
[08:48] <Noskcaj> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed


[00:26] <anduril> ugh nothin worse than when an allergy pill wears off
[08:47] <Traveler> Pidgin seems to not connect any more .....
[08:48] <Traveler> visit after a nap
[10:58] <rmg51> Morning
[11:06] <JonathanD> Mornign.
[11:33] <rmg51> Mornign back at you JonathanD
[11:33] <JonathanD> Hey.
[14:03] <JonathanD> Gonna try again to get touch to work on this laptop today, on ubuntu
[16:07] <adom> just found some nice AD and SMB apps for Android
[16:08] <adom> ActiveDir and AndSMB and SharesFinder
[16:09] <adom> ActiveDir is awesome. can lookup students and see their accounts. also computers and servers and everything you can see normally in active directory
[16:09] <adom> and if you get the rdp and vnc clients you can click a button and connect to the machine remotely from your phone
[16:09] <adom> im looking at the desktop of a lab PC on my phone right now
[16:09] <adom> pretty sweet
[16:10] <adom> also, if you connect via TLS or SSL to the AD server, you can change/reset passwords from your phone...however, i havent gotten it to work, but I think thats because our new servers are blocking my connection somehow.
[16:10] <adom> need to talk to our consultant
[22:34] <Sadin> MutantTurkey its official i like TDE XD
[22:34] <MutantTurkey> :)
[22:34] <MutantTurkey> good
[22:34] <MutantTurkey> what don
[22:34] <MutantTurkey> what DON'T YOU LIKE about it?
[22:35] <MutantTurkey> mostly criticism is important from new comers because they aren't yet jaded
[22:35] <MutantTurkey> everything I see is very familiar so is familiar - even problems
[22:35] <Sadin> MutantTurkey The old icons and the old styling
[22:36] <Sadin> needs its own fresh look.
[22:36] <Sadin> or at least better quality visuals
[22:36] <MutantTurkey> YES
[22:36] <MutantTurkey> the styles are ok, I like simple
[22:36] <MutantTurkey> but I our icon theme needs work
[22:36] <MutantTurkey> what do you mean visuals?
[22:37] <Sadin> the icons.
[22:37] <MutantTurkey> ok
[22:37] <Sadin> tried to word it differently so you would understand but i guess you did haha
[22:38] <Sadin> Just upgraded my fedora servers hardware and im putting TDE on it MutantTurkey for a fast non resource hungry UI
[22:38] <MutantTurkey> lol
[22:38] <MutantTurkey> nice :p
[22:38] <MutantTurkey> I don't know about "non-resource hungry"
[22:39] <MutantTurkey> I guess it isn't really
[22:39] <MutantTurkey> it's not heavy - but it's not stripped down. plenty of features
[22:39] <Sadin> MutantTurkey yeah your right but i thought id show my support ;)
[22:41] <MutantTurkey> :p


[00:47] <ago_> cjwatson, evand I think we'll have to skip dm-loop for the time being: http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dmloop3pj5.png
[00:47] <ago_> I will have a quick word with cking tomorrow just in case
[00:52] <cjwatson> yeah, that's similar to what I saw I think
[01:06] <ago_> strangely enough in the local code (which should be identical to the interactive commands that generated the kernel panic)  I can go past the dmlosetup stage (although I run in the other problems mentioned above)
[01:06] <ago_> local code = /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local
[01:15] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I'm trying to debug the failure to install grub on a dmraid array from netboot, and have found a couple of things. 1) the error only occurs when installing alongside windows. 2) installing via netboot onto standard disks, i.e no dmraid array alongside windows causes grub installation to hang.
[01:15] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I'll ahve logs/more data to examine later today when you are around.
[02:45] <cilkay> Hello. I asked a question on the forum and the Ubuntu Users list about preseeding dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but I didn't get any responses so I suspect it was the wrong place to ask.
[02:46] <cilkay> Here is the forum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=943668
[02:46] <cilkay> Any help would be appreciated.
[04:12] <acoc> hey guys, I'm having some trouble with debian-cd
[04:12] <acoc> the error is: mv: cannot stat `/home/acoc/projects/ubuntu_devel/cdimage/work/scratch/ubuntu/daily-live/tmp/hardy-i386/CD1/casper/filesystem.kernel-generic': No such file or directory
[04:12] <acoc> make: *** [/home/acoc/projects/ubuntu_devel/cdimage/work/scratch/ubuntu/daily-live/tmp/hardy-i386/bootable-stamp] Error 1
[04:13] <acoc> does anyone know what makes filesystem.kernel-generic or the initrd
[04:19] <TheMuso> acoc: livecd-rootfs I would think.
[04:19] <TheMuso> But I don't know for sure.
[04:20] <StevenK> Yes, livecd-rootfs
[04:21] <StevenK> It's the kernel from whatever linux-generic installs
[04:25] <acoc> sorry for the delay, I'm a big Phillies fan and they just came back
[04:27] <acoc> thanks that helps, I probably should have been looking at that all along
[07:58] <evand> cjwatson: if you have a moment, can you look at bug 150872.  I suspect I'm missing something fairly obvious in my patch, but I'm not sure what.
[08:04] <StevenK> evand: So, I'm trying to install on the Jax. First error was: "ClockSetup failed with code 4", and then I tried again and got: "TimezoneApply with code 1"
[08:04] <evand> Noting your comment in the bug, but the code in question adds $device /cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto... so I'm still not sure what would be wrong with the patch.
[08:04] <evand> hrmm
[08:05] <evand> StevenK: Not entirely sure just based on that.  Can you stick set -x in the right places and post full logs to a bug report?
[09:05] <StevenK> Hm. My set -x hackage didn't work as intended
[09:15] <persia> StevenK, Does syslog have anything interesting?
[09:16] <StevenK> Ah ha!
[09:16] <StevenK> cp: writing '/target/etc/localtime': No space left on device
[09:16]  * StevenK kicks it
[09:17] <StevenK> evand: It's not a bug, it's running out of space
[09:17]  * StevenK shuts the damn thing down
[09:17]  * davmor2 lends StevenK his big hammer less painful on the foot
[09:17] <StevenK> Hehe
[09:44] <cjwatson> cilkay: all the lines that begin "d-i console-setup console-setup/..." or "d-i console-terminus console-terminus/..." are completely broken and you should remove them (as in, they aren't in the right format for a preseed file and you shouldn't need them anyway)
[09:45] <cjwatson> cilkay: the rest rings a bell, I'm just trying to find the relevant bug ...
[09:48] <cjwatson> cilkay: try deleting console-setup/variantcode too? I'm wondering if having the empty string there is confusing console-setup
[09:51] <cjwatson> evand: I commented on 150872
[13:51] <cjwatson> evand: could you fix the way the timezone widget continues to scroll even after the mouse exits the widget for 8.10, please?
[13:51] <cjwatson> we don't have a lot of time left so I'd like that to land
[13:56] <CIA-52> partman-ext2r0: cjwatson * r786 ubuntu/ (check.d/nomountpoint_ext2r0 debian/changelog):
[13:56] <CIA-52> partman-ext2r0: * check.d/nomountpoint_ext2r0:
[13:56] <CIA-52> partman-ext2r0:  - Make $RET look for a boolean value (thanks, Nicolas Valcárcel;
[13:56] <CIA-52> partman-ext2r0:  LP: #256459).
[14:01] <evand> cjwatson: will do
[14:06] <CIA-52> partman-ext2r0: cjwatson * r787 ubuntu/debian/control: Maintainer and Vcs-Bzr for Ubuntu
[14:24] <CIA-52> partman-ext2r0: cjwatson * r788 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.15ubuntu1
[14:53] <cr3> cjwatson: to follow up on sources.list.apt-setup from yesterday, I tried: 1. setting my proxy in mirror/http/proxy; 2. setting my local repo in local0; 3. setting archive.ubuntu.com in local1;
[14:54] <cr3> cjwatson: the problem is that I'm not getting a Broken package error relating to gimp, probably because it's getting some packages from mirror/http/hostname and some from local1: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cr3/syslog
[14:54] <cjwatson> cr3: why aren't you setting mirror/http/hostname?
[14:54] <cjwatson> that seems like the obvious approach; putting the main mirror in local doesn't make sense
[14:55] <cr3> cjwatson: sorry, mirror/http/hostname is set to my repo taken from the alternate image
[14:55] <cr3> cjwatson: whereas local0 is set to a small repo of my own packages
[14:55] <cr3> cjwatson: previously, local1 and the proxy was being set by a custom udeb which created sources.list.apt-setup and a proxy file under /target/etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[14:56] <cr3> cjwatson: the repo taken from the alternate image is indeed the main mirror from which I want to grab packages
[14:56] <cjwatson> I seem to be being unclear somehow. I think you should set your snapshot of archive.ubuntu.com in mirror/http/hostname and mirror/http/directory, not in local.
[14:56] <cr3> cjwatson: I'll upload the preseed too, one sec
[14:57] <cjwatson> I thought that was what I'd said yesterday.
[14:57] <cjwatson> apt-setup/local* is for things like your small repository of your own packages, not for the primary mirror that goes first in sources.list
[14:58] <cr3> cjwatson: I don't have a snapshot of archive.ubuntu.com though, I only have a copy of the alternate image in mirror/http/hostname which is just a subset of archive.ubuntu.com. so, that's why I set archive.ubuntu.com as local1
[14:58] <cjwatson> you should put it in mirror/http/hostname anyway
[14:59] <cr3> cjwatson: here's my preseed: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cr3/preseed.txt
[14:59] <cjwatson> do you ever actually want to retrieve any packages from archive.ubuntu.com?
[14:59] <cjwatson> it seems like asking for trouble in your setup
[15:00] <cr3> cjwatson: yes, I need some packages from archive.ubuntu.com which are dependencies for my tests. however, I just want those dependencies from archive.ubuntu.com, the rest should come from the alternate image
[15:00] <cjwatson> where do you install those dependencies?
[15:00] <cr3> cjwatson: pkgsel/include typically refers to my own package, which is available on local0 and which specifies dependencies in the package itself
[15:01] <cjwatson> cr3: does that package depend on things that need to be retrieved from archive.ubuntu.com?
[15:01] <cr3> cjwatson: yes, because they're not available on the alternate image
[15:02] <cjwatson> I see.
[15:03] <cjwatson> cr3: The only way apt supports doing this reliably is using /etc/apt/preferences (which the installer has no built-in means of writing although it might be possible in a post-base-installer script). However, in this case I think it probably makes more sense just to append bits to sources.list in late_command and install the package there.
[15:03] <cr3> cjwatson: before, using that sources.list.apt-setup trick worked to cover my special case. however, since this was an undocumented feature, I would like to take this opportunity to reexplore my setup and perhaps come up with something more standard.
[15:03] <cjwatson> cr3: You'd have had occasional problems in the old setup too if skew got large enough.
[15:04] <cr3> cjwatson: I might've has sporadic problems indeed, I will definately gain from having a more stable solution in the long run
[15:05] <cr3> cjwatson: ok, so I should handle everything in the post-install. but, I have to be careful, because grub is installed afterwards
[15:05] <cjwatson> late_command is done after grub
[15:06] <cr3> cjwatson: ah, but grub is done after sources.list.apt-setup is copied over, right? that might be why I'm confused
[15:07] <cr3> cjwatson: I'll have a quick look at /etc/apt/preferences before jumping into the late_command solution
[15:08] <cjwatson> correct
[15:10] <cr3> cjwatson: where can I find documentation or examples for /etc/apt/preferences? I tried looking in busybox during installation, there's no /etc/apt/preferences nor under /target. I also tried grepping the installation-guide-i386 package on Hardy, but not there either.
[15:12] <cjwatson> apt_preferences(5)
[15:28] <cr3> cjwatson: ok, so I'm thinking that a late_command script will be easier to maintain and more flexible than using /etc/apt/preferences. so, what's the difference between using in-target and chroot /target?
[15:32] <cr3> cjwatson: I think the difference is that in-target logs properly to /var/log/syslog
[15:35] <persia> cr3, It also takes care of some other accounting for you : it's essentially a convenience script to make your life easy.
[15:35] <cjwatson> cr3: the main relevant difference is that in-target sets up debconf interaction
[15:35] <cjwatson> oh, and mounts /proc
[15:35] <cjwatson> start with in-target but depending on exactly what you're doing you may find that you need to drop back to chroot /target
[17:03] <Zelut> I'm trying to create a custom ubuntu .iso but when I boot the mkisofs-created image in Vbox it errors on finding any of the kernels.
[17:03] <Zelut> basically I'm trying to create a customized boot.iso with both 32 and 64bit netinstall kernel options at boot.
[17:06] <Zelut> currently I have all kernels and initrd in the root folder of the .iso, pointed to by the isolinux.cfg.
[17:07] <persia> Zelut, Does it fail to boot, or fail to detect a valid kernel for install?
[17:18] <Zelut> it says it can't find kernel <filename>
[17:18] <Zelut> no matter the boot option I select from my custom isolinux.cfg / boot.txt menu it can't find the file.
[17:23] <persia> Zelut, Hrm.  That's an isolinux thing, about which I know very little.  Sorry.
[17:43] <Zelut> does the .iso not allow for renaming the kernel/initrd for some reason?
[18:32] <cr3> when I do a network install, I have debconf/priority=critical as a kernel parameter. however, that doesn't seem to be passed when running in-target apt-get install -y --force-yes in the late_command
[18:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r2898 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/zoommap.py):
[18:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Stop scrolling the timezone map once the mouse is outside its
[18:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: boundaries (LP: #251231).
[19:44] <cilkay> cjwatson: All that "d-i console-setup console-setup" stuff I put in my preseed file was because the "simplified" file as per the preseed example file provided in the docs did not work. I had the same issues. Once I went through a manual "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup", I paid attention to the questions and answers and found the "d-i console-setup console-setup/" strings in the file created using debconf-
[19:44] <cilkay> get-selections.
[19:45] <cilkay> I'm at wit's end with preseed installation.
[19:45] <cilkay> It seems much more complicated than kickstart.
[19:46] <cilkay> I tried using a GUI tool to generate a kickstart file too but when it came to the package selection section, there were no packages to select.
[19:48] <cilkay> In case this has fallen off your scrollback, I asked a question on the forum and the Ubuntu Users list about preseeding dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but I didn't get any responses so I suspect it was the wrong place to ask.
[19:48] <cilkay> Here is the forum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=943668
[20:18] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r2899 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/zoommap.py):
[20:18] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Iterate through a list of nearby timezones on click, rather than
[20:18] <CIA-52> ubiquity: selecting the absolute closest timezone to the pointer.
[20:46] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2900 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/i18n.py): Fix translation of Quit button (LP: #277451).
[20:47] <cjwatson> evand: are you planning a ubiquity upload today?
[20:48] <evand> cjwatson: yes, I was going to wait until later tonight though.
[21:00] <Zelut> ok this is driving me nuts.  I've downloaded a second linux/initrd.gz and added it to the root of my mini.iso.  When I select that option at boot it can't find it.
[21:01] <Zelut> permissions seem to be the same. ownership is the same. isolinux.cfg has been updated, using the same path syntax as the original..
[21:10] <MadsRH> Hi. Can anyone tell me if there's any plans to update the GUI in the installer?
[21:11] <cjwatson> MadsRH: in what way?
[21:11] <cjwatson> oh, you were the person asking about slideshow the other day weren't you?
[21:12] <MadsRH> Hi cjwatson - Yes, I was :-)
[21:12] <MadsRH> I've been looking in the wiki and the blueprintes, but there's no info about that
[21:13] <evand> It's been deferred.
[21:13] <cjwatson> MadsRH: the ubiquity-visual-refresh spec is the current plan of record, but it has largely been crowded out by other more urgent goals
[21:13] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-visual-refresh
[21:14] <MadsRH> thanks
[21:32] <MadsRH> So I read the spec for the ubiquity-visual-refresh and it seems like the TODO task would be the next step here. I really want to see this ubiquity-visual-refresh happen and want to help out (if I may, as I'm not part of the installer-team).
[21:33] <xivulon_> hmm, something does not work in partman/wubi, I am thrown out with "No filesystem is defined"
[21:33]  * xivulon_ investigating
[21:33] <xivulon_> "No root file system is defined"
[21:34] <evand> MadsRH: The mockup is done, it's just buried under a pile of papers on my desk.
[21:34] <evand> The next step would be to investigate what format to use (animation needed) and how to best overlay translated text on it.
[21:35] <MadsRH> evand -> Okay, so I can't find in on the web (wiki, mailinglist...)?
[21:35] <evand> MadsRH: No, it was hand drawn at UDS.  Let me see if I can find it, at which point I'll scan it and put it on that wiki page.
[21:37] <MadsRH> Evand -> Great :-) you say hand drawn. Perhaps I could do a mockup of it? But that sounds really good, thanks
[21:44] <evand> That would be very helpful as my drawing capabilities, as evidenced by the notes I'm about to upload, are quite poor.
[21:44] <MadsRH> ;-)
[21:53] <evand> hrm, hopefully he'll notice that I updated the wiki page.
[21:53] <evand> My notes are not entirely helpful, but I suspect if he has questions he'll be back.
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Is there a known issue with Daily-LiveCD crashing on Manual Partitioning? I just tried an install using
[22:24] <charlie-tca> today's CD, and got Partman failed with exit code 141
[22:26] <evand> charlie-tca: yes
[22:26] <evand> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/282756
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:27] <evand> it's fixed in tree, just awaiting a new ubiquity upload, which I'll be taking care of in a few hours.
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Okay, I'll try this again in about 12 hours then
[22:55] <kirkland> evand: hey there, you still around?
[22:55] <kirkland> TheMuso: or you, perhaps?
[22:55] <kirkland> evand: TheMuso I'm hitting something strange in grub-installer
[22:55] <kirkland> evand: TheMuso: line 585 looks like:
[22:55] <TheMuso> kirkland: Sure, whats up?
[22:55] <kirkland> if [ -z "$frdisk" ]; then
[22:55] <kirkland> TheMuso: hey!
[22:56] <kirkland> TheMuso: okay, so running grub-installer through set -x, I'm seeing that frdisk=found
[22:56] <kirkland> TheMuso: how and where is that getting set?
[22:56] <kirkland> TheMuso: specifically, i'm working with virtio devices, eg, /dev/vda
[22:56] <TheMuso> kirkland: That gets set if the boot device is either mdadm, sataraid, or multipath if memory serves.
[22:57] <kirkland> TheMuso: yup, but it's also getting set when the boot device is vda, and that's breaking me :-)
[22:57] <kirkland> TheMuso: I'm trying to find the faulty logic, and I'm thinking it might not be in grub-installer, somehow
[22:57] <TheMuso> kirkland: Right, well you will have to look and find what sets it for virtio devices, by following the execution path of the script.
[22:58] <kirkland> TheMuso: set -x output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/57617/
[22:59] <kirkland> TheMuso: I'm bothered that that doesn't show any frdisk=...
[23:00] <TheMuso> kirkland: oh so you want frdisk to be set? You may have to put another if stanza in to do that.
[23:00] <kirkland> TheMuso: ah, okay, that's easy enough to do
[23:00] <kirkland> TheMuso: below mdadm or some such
[23:01] <TheMuso> kirkland: I guess so.
[23:35] <kirkland> TheMuso: cool, i have a fix, tested, works
[23:35] <kirkland> TheMuso: would you mind having a look and sponsoring, so that it makes it into the next daily build?
[23:35] <TheMuso> kirkland: Sure.
[23:36]  * TheMuso installs cia-clients again since he is using a fresh install...
[23:37] <CIA-52> partman-base: TheMuso * r113 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 121ubuntu8
[23:40] <CIA-52> hw-detect: TheMuso * r88 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog debian/disk-detect.templates disk-detect.sh):
[23:40] <CIA-52> hw-detect: disk-detect.sh, debian/disk-detect.templates: If dmraid arrays are found,
[23:40] <CIA-52> hw-detect: ask the user if they want to use them. (LP: #279288)
[23:40] <kirkland> TheMuso: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/281492
[23:40] <kirkland> TheMuso: patch attached at the bottom, as well a bzr branch
[23:41] <TheMuso> kirkland: Thanks, will attend to it as soon as I upload these two packages.
[23:41] <kirkland> TheMuso: cool
[23:41] <xivulon_> cjwatson, evand, I think that /lib/partman/check.d/proper_mountpoints creates issues with wubi
[23:42] <CIA-52> hw-detect: TheMuso * r89 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.63ubuntu4
[23:43] <evand> xivulon_: are you sure about that?  It's existed as is since March.
[23:43] <xivulon_> evand doing some tests now, installation stops there with "No root file system is defined"
[23:43] <cjwatson> well, maybe it isn't.
[23:44] <cjwatson> it's a warning message after all, sometimes its job is to fail
[23:44] <evand> I suspect it's failing elsewhere and just bubbling up there.
[23:44] <cjwatson> the no_root check is really, really simple. I agree with Evan
[23:45] <xivulon_> yep looks like that, looks for / in fstab.d
[23:45] <TheMuso> 8/c
[23:50] <james_w> Hi, when using usb-creator with a persistence file does it save all changes to the file system from the live image, or is there a certain location to save to?
[23:50] <james_w> or am I missing the intent? or the limits of what it can do?
[23:50] <xivulon_> have that both in vm and real hardware
[23:54] <evand> james_w: it's broken so it does neither at the moment
[23:54] <evand> but it will be all changes to the filesystem
[23:54] <evand> casper affords two options, as I understand it
[23:54] <evand> one is to do the entire filesystem, the other is to do /home
[23:55] <evand> usb-creator opts for the former
[23:55] <james_w> ah, good to know it doesn't work :-)
[23:55] <james_w> I thought I was being stupid
[23:55] <evand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/274076
[23:55] <james_w> thanks
[23:58] <evand> james_w: please do file any bugs you find in it without persistence enabled.  I am keen on getting as much testing as possible before release.
[23:58] <james_w> with usb-creator?
[23:58] <evand> ja
[23:58] <james_w> yeah, I've been having trouble with it writing dud images, I can't work out what the cause is though
[23:59] <james_w> it's something to do with formatting
[23:59] <evand> boot flag not set?
[23:59] <james_w> It could be, when I choose USB from the boot menu I get nothing more than a flashing cursor


[04:47] <InHisName> Good morning ?   My short nap was a bit long .  .   .    .    .
[04:49] <andrew> evening
[04:53] <InHisName> andrew do you have any gui suggestions for below ?
[04:53] <InHisName> Well, I did sudo dpkg --configure -d     then followed with sudo apt-get -d install  or something like that.   All clean....
[04:53] <InHisName> Now when I reboot normal,   choose 2.6.35-28 and big UBUNTU print on screen with cycling red dots under it.   3-7 seconds.  Then screen cycles  out-sync---in-sync   3x     THEN nothing more for very long time  30 minutes ?   Why wont it finish booting ?
[04:54] <InHisName> I can boot in recovery to a login prompt.   But no gui works.
[04:55] <InHisName> Keyboard seem disabled when starting gui then hangs only powerbutton shutdown works.


[03:33] <svwilliams> ping cjohnston
[03:33] <cjohnston> yo
[03:33] <svwilliams> hey I'm getting there found it was the margins
[03:33] <svwilliams> un fortunately the main content is set to margin: 0 auto;
[03:33] <svwilliams> auto centers the block element
[03:34] <svwilliams> and basically we went the main content centered and the menu relative to it
[03:34] <svwilliams> still looking into the duplicate printing
[03:35] <cjohnston> can you reproduce?
[03:38] <svwilliams> haven't tried yet, was alternating between the two
[03:38] <svwilliams> just did a quick search for multiple block elements for side-bar
[03:39] <cjohnston> ok
[03:39] <svwilliams> because I moved that thing around at least 10 times
[03:51] <svwilliams> what was the name of that site that we're trying to emulate
[03:52] <cjohnston> landscape
[03:52] <cjohnston> svwilliams: dont forget to wrap the text please
[03:53] <svwilliams> wrap text?
[03:53] <cjohnston> if you look in my screenshot, the text wrapps off of the grey
[03:56] <svwilliams> ahh gotcha
[04:00] <svwilliams> I figured out the difference between summit and landscape
[04:00] <cjohnston> ok
[04:00] <svwilliams> in landscape the header section
[04:00] <svwilliams> goes across both the menu and main content
[04:01] <svwilliams> so the menu and main content are say 1000px
[04:01] <svwilliams> with a margin of "0 auto"
[04:01] <svwilliams> and the header is the same
[04:02] <svwilliams> I think I'm going to have to try to float the menu against the main content
[04:02] <svwilliams> which will be display: block, position:relative; margin: 0 auto; like the other center aligned elements
[14:21] <cprofitt> cjohnston mhall119 nigelb meet IronPatriotNY -- he may be interested in working on some of your projects
[14:22] <cjohnston> hello IronPatriotNY
[14:23] <IronPatriotNY> Hey cjohnston
[14:23] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: are you familiar with bzr, python and django?
[14:23] <IronPatriotNY> We've met before a long while ago when we were trying to fix my login/OpenID issues with the LoCo portal
[14:24] <mhall119> hey IronPatriotNY
[14:24] <IronPatriotNY> Bazaar, yes, python, I'm learning. Django, I would like to learn as well.
[14:24] <cjohnston> ok.. cool
[14:24] <IronPatriotNY> Coming from a PHP background, but from what I've seen of Python so far, not so bad.
[14:39] <cprofitt> mhall119 cjohnston nigelb meet slick666 he is another NY LoCo member with Python experience that would be interested (potentially) in assisting you guys
[14:40] <cjohnston> man.. cprofitt if these guys stick we will owe you a beer
[14:40] <cprofitt> lol
[14:40] <slick666> thanks cprofitt
[14:40] <cjohnston> hey slick666
[14:40] <cprofitt> slick666: is a very solid coder too
[14:40] <cprofitt> and an absolutely awesome dude!
[14:40] <cjohnston> slick666: IronPatriotNY either of you interested in hacking on Summit?
[14:40] <slick666> I'm actually a prpgrammer by trade and I'm actually at PyCon for the next 7 days so some python tasks would be perfect
[14:41] <cjohnston> slick666: cool
[14:41] <IronPatriotNY> For any Python/django projects, I would best serve as an apprentice at this point.
[14:41] <mhall119> I say we out-source LTP and summit to New York
[14:41] <cjohnston> slick666: http://launchpad.net/summit
[14:41] <slick666> is there a description out there already on what needs being done?
[14:41] <cprofitt> cjohnston: can you give slick666 a quick run down on what summit is
[14:41] <slick666> cool
[14:42] <cjohnston> Let me point you to the couple things that we are tracking right now
[14:42] <IronPatriotNY> Don't know too too much but I learn fast
[14:42] <cprofitt> point him at the blueprints, etc
[14:42] <cjohnston> slick666: summit is what we use for Ubuntu Developer Summit
[14:42] <cjohnston> its the scheduler
[14:42] <cjohnston> http://summit.ubuntu.com is where it lives
[14:42] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: slick666 bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit
[14:43] <cjohnston> blueprints that we are working on:
[14:43] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/summit/+spec/linaro-q212-requirements
[14:43] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/summit/+spec/summit-p-sprint
[14:43] <cjohnston> and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-summit
[14:44] <slick666> lol, you can tell there is a programming conference here because between yesterday and this morning the inter-webs have slowed down a LOT
[14:44] <cjohnston> hehe
[14:44] <cjohnston> i hate it when that happens
[14:45] <slick666> If I recall right I think this year they were planning for a limit of 1800 people
[14:45] <cjohnston> heh
[14:46] <cprofitt> I gotta say UDS usually has really good pipes for the interwebs
[14:46] <cprofitt> :-)
[14:47] <slick666> ok I'm going to have to get some coffee and read over the documentation this morning IronPatrriotNY, you interested in working on this also?
[14:47] <slick666> wait a minute... IronPatriotNY
[14:47] <slick666> sry
[14:47] <IronPatriotNY> Yes
[14:48] <IronPatriotNY> I'm looking over the pages now.
[14:48] <cjohnston> i want some coffee too
[14:48] <IronPatriotNY> Trying to get last years summit page so I can see that
[14:48] <cjohnston> there are docs on how to get started at summit.readthedocs.org
[14:48] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/
[14:48] <IronPatriotNY> thanks
[14:48] <cprofitt> slick666 IronPatriotNY - I actually am trying to help too, but I am sure you guys will get to coding much faster than I can
[14:49] <cprofitt> cjohnston and mhall119 are excellent tutors for getting you up to speed as well
[14:49] <cprofitt> they have always been willing to point me in the right direction
[14:49] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: slick666 this cprofitt guy is a drain on all resources...
[14:49] <cjohnston> jk
[14:49] <cprofitt> lol
[14:49] <IronPatriotNY> haha
[14:49] <cjohnston> iirc cprofitt has given an MP or two
[14:50] <slick666> lol
[14:50] <cjohnston> one of these days he will be the project manager
[14:50] <cprofitt> I keep trying to convince cjohnston to use TI-Basic instead of Python :-)
[14:50] <cjohnston> heh
[14:50] <cprofitt> jk
[14:51] <slick666> brb guys, going to shower and get ready for the day
[15:14] <IronPatriotNY> Am I able to run summit on a local server?
[15:19] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: yes
[15:21] <slick666> back
[15:21] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: on the readthedocs there are directions on setting up the virtualenv
[15:21] <slick666> lol, doesn;t look like I missed much
[15:21] <cjohnston> nope
[15:21] <IronPatriotNY> thanks
[15:21] <daker> nigelb, no tarmac :/
[15:22] <cjohnston> daker: hrm.. summit just updated
[15:23] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-team-portal/bzr-req-update/+merge/95074
[15:23] <slick666> cjohnston, I'm not quite getting the reference "readthedocs", is that a link I'm missing?
[15:24] <cjohnston> 09.49.13 < cjohnston> there are docs on how to get started at summit.readthedocs.org
[15:26] <slick666> ah, thanks
[15:26] <slick666> I missed that link
[15:37] <l3on> Hi all.. I'm looking for an openid lp login for drupal, somebody here can help me?
[15:37] <l3on> We (ubuntu-it) are running drupal 6.25
[15:39] <cjohnston> l3on: #ubuntu-drupal
[15:39] <l3on> I'm also there, but few people :P
[15:39] <cjohnston> i dont know anyone in here who does anything with drupal
[15:41] <l3on> ubuntu.com is not running drupal ?
[15:42] <cjohnston> I think it is running an extremely hacked version, but i dont think anyone here is on the webteam
[15:45] <cjohnston> l3on: google shows http://drupal.org/project/openid-launchpad
[15:46] <l3on> cjohnston, yes, thanks... I was already on the LP project homepage
[15:46] <l3on> but there's no a clear documentation about these modules (3 in total)
[15:46] <l3on> and, somewhere, is written that canonical develop them
[15:46] <l3on> boh.
[16:00] <l3on> maybe cjohnston you know something about ubuntu-sso
[16:01] <l3on> for LP, the openid is lauchpad.net/~user
[16:01] <l3on> but for https://login.ubuntu.com/ ??
[16:19] <cjohnston> no idea
[17:29] <IronPatriotNY> Trying to setup summit locally according to readthedocs
[17:29] <IronPatriotNY> and I get Error: No module named django_openid_auth
[17:30] <IronPatriotNY> when I run ./manage.py init-summit in step 5.5
[17:30] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: are you in the virtualenv?
[17:31] <IronPatriotNY> yes
[17:31] <cjohnston> did you do pip install?
[17:32] <cjohnston> if your in the virtual env and installed everything correctly, you should have that
[17:32] <IronPatriotNY> I followed the instructions exactly, up to copying local_settings.py.example to local_settings.py
[17:32] <IronPatriotNY> I didn't input my own settings there yet
[17:32] <cjohnston> when i get the error im not in the virtual env
[17:32] <IronPatriotNY> and yes I did
[17:32] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: normally you dont need to change anything in local_settings
[17:32] <cjohnston> IronPatriotNY: type clear
[17:32] <cjohnston> then enter
[17:33] <cjohnston> then paste me the line that shows (user@host blah blah)
[17:33] <nigelb> daker: huh? which branch?
[17:33] <cjohnston> nigelb: ltp
[17:33] <nigelb> will look in a bit
[17:33] <IronPatriotNY> I believe I'm in virtualenv, (summit) prefixes my username/host
[17:33] <IronPatriotNY> (summit)ironpatriotny@jari-XPS-L401X3:~/Projects/ubuntu/summit/src/summit/test-branch/summit$
[17:33] <daker> nigelb, https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-team-portal/bzr-req-update/+merge/95074
[17:33] <cjohnston> then yes
[17:34] <cjohnston> nigelb: can you help IronPatriotNY ? you know more about virtualenv than i do
[17:36] <nigelb> Sec, in the middle of fixing a screwed up branch because it broke tarmac.
[17:37] <cjohnston> ty
[17:43] <IronPatriotNY> cjohnston, I'm going to try again in a sec. I was following the directions from the docs, however now I took a look at the INSTALL file
[17:43] <IronPatriotNY> There's packages in there I didn't have yet.
[17:43] <IronPatriotNY> and my apt can't find postgresql-8.3
[17:45] <nigelb> IronPatriotNY: what version of ubuntu?
[17:46] <IronPatriotNY> 11.10
[17:46] <nigelb> ah, so just install postgresql
[17:46] <nigelb> without the version
[17:46] <nigelb> the requirements.txt is for lucid.
[17:47] <nigelb> what's majorly going wrong for you right now?
[17:47] <nigelb> (I'm headed to bed in a bit)
[17:48] <daker> thanks nigelb
[17:48] <nigelb> daker: np! It has been broken for sometime, I only noticed it now thanks to you :)
[17:49] <IronPatriotNY> nigelb, just trying to run summit locally
[17:49] <IronPatriotNY> and ran into this error
[17:49] <IronPatriotNY> Error: No module named django_openid_auth
[17:49] <nigelb> okay, so, let's install it.
[17:49] <nigelb> sec, let me find the correct command
[17:50] <nigelb> IronPatriotNY: what instructions did  you follow?
[17:51] <IronPatriotNY> http://summit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing.html
[17:51] <nigelb> IronPatriotNY: okay, so you did the "pip install -r requirements.txt" step?
[17:51] <nigelb> did it report a failure?
[17:52] <IronPatriotNY> The first time it did, something about GCC
[17:52] <IronPatriotNY> Then I ran it with sudo and it looked fine to me
[17:52] <nigelb> ouch
[17:52] <nigelb> okay, can you run it again (without sudo)
[17:52] <nigelb> pastebin the output as well.
[17:55] <IronPatriotNY> http://pastebin.com/rQkX7R8v
[17:57] <nigelb> IronPatriotNY: okay, seems to have worked this time.
[17:57] <nigelb> Try ./manage.py runserver again?
[17:58] <IronPatriotNY> same error
[17:58] <nigelb> that's weird.
[17:59] <nigelb> OH.
[17:59] <nigelb> IronPatriotNY: sudo apt-get install python-dev build-essentials
[18:00] <IronPatriotNY> unable to locate build-essentials
[18:00] <IronPatriotNY> Seems like I don't have anything lol
[18:00] <nigelb> I knew I typo'd it
[18:00] <nigelb> wait, let me find the right name
[18:00] <nigelb> I'm not on Ubuntu so its extra hard :)
[18:00] <IronPatriotNY> k thanks
[18:01] <nigelb> IronPatriotNY: build-essential
[18:01] <IronPatriotNY> Seriously? I don't know why it didn't suggest that. Only 1 letter away
[18:02] <nigelb> well, bash isn't great with suggestions
[18:02] <nigelb> zsh does that so well :)
[18:02] <IronPatriotNY> Well it's installing, not at a great speed but it's going
[18:05] <nigelb> okay
[18:05] <nigelb> so after this
[18:05] <nigelb> do the pip step again
[18:05] <nigelb> I'm headed to bed now.
[18:05] <IronPatriotNY> Okay will do
[18:06] <IronPatriotNY> Thanks a lot for the help.
[18:06] <nigelb> If this does not fix it, edit requirements.txt and remove the bzr line
[18:06] <IronPatriotNY> k


[22:30] <E3D3> Synaptics hanged when I tried to install something & now won't open anymore. I have do configurated dpkg but that also hangs. Both repeat endlessly. How can I correct this ?
[22:31] <philipballew> E3D3, what about a re-boot?
[22:32] <E3D3> I did more than 4 times already
[22:34] <E3D3> Problem is, there is no error, just a repeating cycle of downloading the same file.
[22:34] <philipballew> i'd open it in the terminal and see if you get any errors
[22:35] <E3D3> I did with: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:35] <E3D3> That repeated the same proces.
[22:38] <philipballew> I wonder if you update your computer or maybe see if you have any need to repair broken packages
[22:38] <E3D3> I opened dpkg help & manual but I think I need to take a little time (hours) to read more about dpkg & synaptic.
[22:40] <philipballew> they are tough beats to master. I sure have not
[22:41] <philipballew> but you can't think of a time when you did something to mess it up?
[22:41] <philipballew> odd problem to me
[22:43] <E3D3> No. I tried installing Sandbox Gamemaker & after downloading it went to configurating the new stuff. It had to download/rebuild a file for that. It repeat the last step endless.
[22:44] <E3D3> Synaptic gave me advice to try the above command (dpkg) but that went in the same loop.
[22:44] <E3D3> np, lucky that other things still working.
[22:45] <E3D3> Thanks for trying to help me :-)


[18:08] <fidencio> cyphermox: and just in order to test my libosinfo stuff, do you guys have a preseed used for your tests?
[18:08] <fidencio> cyphermox: then I can start with something that, for sure, works
[18:10] <cyphermox> fidencio: I have a few preseeds up here: http://people.canonical.com/~mtrudel/preseed
[18:10] <cyphermox> they are not all adapted to ubiquity but should all largely work (some pieces are not preseeded, like storage setup for the multipath preseed)
[18:13] <fidencio> cyphermox: super. and, just out of curiosity, where are you located? just to have an idea about the best time for pinging you
[18:15] <cyphermox> Montreal
[18:15] <cyphermox> working hours EST is best, but I often hang out late in the evenings
[18:17] <fidencio> super. again, thanks a lot!