[00:46] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yup, looking at it now
[00:50] <wallyworld> \o/
[03:32] <axw> menn0 wallyworld thumper: tech board? anything to talk about?
[07:31] <menn0> axw: sorry I missed tech board. things got a little crazy at home.
[07:35] <axw> menn0: no worries
[07:35] <menn0> axw: did the meeting end up happening
[07:35] <menn0> ?
[07:35] <axw> menn0: nah, just had a chat with ian about the sprint last week. john's out, and tim's sick
[09:39] <rogpeppe1> here's a feature branch merge; anyone wanna give it the nod? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7099
[10:16] <rogpeppe1> jam: any chance you could approve this feature-branch merge, please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7099
[10:28] <rogpeppe1> jam: i'm going to merge it anyway, as all the individual branches have been approved
[11:44] <perrito666> good morning
[13:02] <perrito666> wpk: standup?
[14:15] <stokachu> rogpeppe1: what python library should we be using if we wanted to look into adding macaroon support?
[14:15] <stokachu> rogpeppe1: apparently go is the only one with these bindings anywhere...
[14:15] <stokachu> sorry, bakery support
[14:23] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: i'm not sure that there is any decent general one yet
[14:24] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: people have been talking about it for a while
[14:24] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: it also depends whether you want to do server support too, or just client support
[15:00] <stokachu> rogpeppe1: we just need a seamless experience from conjure-up's ui to be able to connect to jaas controller
[15:00] <stokachu> without sending them to the browser
[15:01] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: personally i think that we shouldn't expect people to type their passwords into arbitrary command-line apps
[15:02] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: and AFAIK using a browser login is the only reasonable way to avoid that
[15:02] <stokachu> rogpeppe1: ok, lemme go back to the boss man and see what we want to do
[15:02] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: juju has supported entering a password on the command line
[15:02] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: but it's flawed
[15:03] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: because it doesn't work the first time (it relies on the user having used the browser-based login previously)
[15:03] <cory_fu> rogpeppe1, stokachu: What about the case where the user is running conjure-up on a machine that isn't running a gui, or if they're ssh'd in?  I thought that's why we were using a terminal UI instead of the GUI in the first place?
[15:03] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: you can still use the browser-based login in that case
[15:03] <cory_fu> rogpeppe1: I should also note that `charm login` prompts for user and password
[15:04] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: just as long as you have access to a browser and can copy/paste the URI
[15:04] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: yes, the charm command is also problematic in that respect
[15:04] <cory_fu> rogpeppe1: Why is a browser-based login required before CLI login will work?  That seems very odd to me.
[15:05] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: because only the browser-based login provides the idm server with the user details it needs
[15:05] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: it can't get those from an oauth token
[15:06] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: (which is what the password-based login provides)
[15:07] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: in the future, i'd like us to be able provide private-key-based login (also known as "agent" login) to arbitrary users.
[15:07] <rogpeppe1> cory_fu: so if you want non-interactive login, you associate a private key with your account and use that to log in.
[15:20] <stokachu> so tldr; we have to use the browser based login approach?
[15:20] <stokachu> rogpeppe1: ^
[15:21] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: well, you *can* use the user-password approach, but i'd suggest leaving that until last, as we don't have a decent answer to that yet.
[15:21] <stokachu> rogpeppe1: im talking about we need this done in the next week or so
[15:21] <stokachu> :D
[15:21] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: and it will always be necessary to support at least the browser-based approach
[15:22] <stokachu> i see, ok
[15:22] <rogpeppe1> stokachu: because you can't do password-based login to non-usso domains
[15:22] <stokachu> ok thank you
[15:24] <Dmitrii-Sh> Hi, does anybody know a good way to specify series when upgrading a charm to a local version? https://paste.ubuntu.com/24183189/
[15:25] <Dmitrii-Sh> right now xenial is picked while I need trusty. I don't see any switch to manually select a version
[15:25] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: you can't change the series of a deployed application
[15:25] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: I don't need to change it - that's the thing
[15:26] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: the problem here is that it thinks that I want to deploy a xenial charm
[15:26] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: oh yes, that does seem odd
[15:26] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: is this with juju 2?
[15:26] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: if I remove xenial and yakkety from the yaml it deploys just fine
[15:26] <Dmitrii-Sh> 2.1.1-xenial-amd64
[15:26] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: yes
[15:26] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: looks like a bug to me
[15:26] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: ok, will file it now
[15:27] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: been driving me crazy for some time )
[15:27] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: thx
[15:34] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: try using --force-series
[15:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: I can try that but that's still a bug, right?
[15:34] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: but even if that works, it still seems like a bug, yeah
[15:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1:
[15:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> ubuntu@maas:~⟫ juju upgrade-charm keystone --force-series --path ~/build/charm-keystone
[15:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> Added charm "local:xenial/keystone-4" to the model.
[15:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> ERROR cannot upgrade application "keystone" to charm "local:xenial/keystone-4": cannot change an application's series
[15:37] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: doesn't look right
[15:37] <rogpeppe1> agreed
[15:44] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1673122
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1673122: Incorrect series used during upgrade to a local charm and no way to specify it manually <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673122>
[15:44] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: the order of items in a list matters
[15:44] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: so yakkety at the bottom didn't trigger an error )
[15:44] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: yeah, i see
[15:44] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: nice report, thanks
[15:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> rogpeppe1: np, thanks for the clarification
[15:47] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: thanks for the report.
[15:47] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: and discovering the issue
[15:47] <rogpeppe1> Dmitrii-Sh: i suspect it might be fairly simple to fix
[18:29] <perrito666> bbl
[18:57] <rogpeppe1> i'm looking for reviews of this, please: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7074
[20:32] <thumper> morning
[20:37] <perrito666> thumper: hi
[21:46] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ping?
[21:46] <wallyworld> hey
[21:47] <babbageclunk> From this https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/subnetworks#subnetworks_and_instances, it sounds like subnets in GCE don't have zones.
[21:48] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Should I just leave zones empty in the return from the provider, or get all zones and populate it with them?
[21:49] <wallyworld> not sure offhand. i'm not overtly familiar with the underlying juju network model
[21:49] <wallyworld> i'll look into it nd we can discuss
[21:50] <babbageclunk> ok thanks
[22:37] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: also, for our purposes we don't need the instance or subnet filtering of the Subnets method. Should I still implement them now? (Probably, right?)
[22:38] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: would be good to have that method properly implemented
[22:38] <wallyworld> let's try and avoid tech debt
[22:38] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, that's what I was figuring.
[23:12] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: hiya
[23:12] <wallyworld> hey
[23:12] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: i've addressed the initial points you made here... fancy taking another look? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7074
[23:12] <wallyworld> sure
[23:12] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: thanks!
[23:14] <wallyworld> rogpeppe1: just curious, why are those other seemingly non related dependencies updated?
[23:15] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: mostly because there were some newer dependencies available, i think. i think it's worth keeping up with dependency versions when reasonable.
[23:16] <wallyworld> i figured as much. it does seem strange though that devel branch (our tip) is not running latest deps
[23:17] <wallyworld> i guess those deps were updated for other branches
[23:17] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: yeah
[23:18] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: BTW the odd-looking AddDate calls are to make some of the tests pass under >go1.8 (which has monotonic clock readings in time.Time)
[23:18] <wallyworld> cool, i'm running 1.8
[23:18] <wallyworld> we need to fix the url parsing issues also
[23:20] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: yeah, we shouldn't provide invalid URLs :)
[23:20] <wallyworld> +1 to that
[23:23] <wallyworld> rogpeppe1: i just saw the AddDate() stuff - it would be worth a comment. without your explanation, I had NFI why that was there
[23:23] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: yeah, agreed. please add a comment to remind me for the morning
[23:23] <wallyworld> maybe even a todo to use the clock.Clock
[23:23] <wallyworld> will do
[23:27] <wallyworld> rogpeppe1: why remove our clock.Clock from lease manager?
[23:27] <wallyworld> and replace with state.clock
[23:27] <wallyworld> that's the opposite of what we are trying to do
[23:28] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: file, line?
[23:28] <wallyworld> 76 of state/workers.go
[23:28] <wallyworld> the "github.com/juju/utils/clock" import is deleted alsdo
[23:30] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: the lease manager still takes a clock as a parameter
[23:30] <wallyworld> the comment applies to all of those workers
[23:30] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: why would wouldn't you want them all to use the same clock?
[23:30] <wallyworld> right, but the state.clock is being passed in, has that been changed to a clock.Clock?
[23:30] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: state.clock has always been a clock.Clock
[23:31] <wallyworld> ok, makes more sense now, thanks
[23:32] <wallyworld> so the removal of workerFactory means we can get the clock from st
[23:32] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: BTW i think that except for low level, "i know everything that's going on" testing, mocking clocks is probably an anti-pattern, as it can make for extremely fragile tests.
[23:33] <wallyworld> it's been the exact opposite for us
[23:33] <wallyworld> we've needed to do it to *fix* fragile tests
[23:33] <wallyworld> any tests based on wall clock are just plain wrong for us
[23:34] <wallyworld> we need to step through known time increments
[23:34] <wallyworld> to trigger various events
[23:34] <wallyworld> that's a pretty standard pattern i would have thought?
[23:35] <wallyworld> many devs on core have certainly commonly used it elsewhere outside canonical
[23:35] <wallyworld> eg if something triggers every 30 minutes, you can't use a wall clock for that
[23:35] <wallyworld> in a unit test
[23:36] <wallyworld> we've also been victim to waiting say 10ms for something fails on loaded substrates
[23:36] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: yeah, for low level unit tests, it's very useful
[23:36] <wallyworld> we need control of the clock ticks
[23:36] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: but when you've got a bunch of components together, you end up needing to know exactly how many actors there are in the system and when you expect them to wait
[23:37] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: and even then you're vulnerable to races
[23:37] <wallyworld> isn't that the point of detailed unit tests :-)
[23:37] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: definitely
[23:37] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: but i'm talking about somewhat higher level tests
[23:37] <wallyworld> ok, so we're in violent agreement :-)
[23:38] <wallyworld> too many of our juju core tests should be unit tests but are not :-(
[23:38] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: so where we're using clock in state with all those workers - that for me is probably too far.
[23:38] <wallyworld> we've been actively trying to fix that
[23:38] <wallyworld> how then would you test the interaction between workers?
[23:39] <wallyworld> if you don't control the clock in tests?
[23:39] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: i don't like the distinction between unit tests and integration tests. i prefer the distinction they tend to use in google - quick tests and slow tests.
[23:39] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: i'd set the worker timing parameters and poll. And try and have less dependencies in general.
[23:39] <wallyworld> unit tests are needed to give coverage; intergration tests more for "does it really work"
[23:40] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: for me, it's all about confidence in the code.
[23:40] <rogpeppe1> wallyworld: anyway, gotta run! i am called to bed.
[23:40] <wallyworld> lucky you
[23:40] <wallyworld> have fun :-)
[23:40] <rogpeppe1> ttfn


[02:37] <ahoneybun> pleia2, do you have news about the wallpaper contest?
[02:37] <pleia2> yep, it's at the top of the doc
[02:38] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[02:38] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to make something for it
[02:39] <pleia2> cool
[02:39] <ahoneybun> I should say "tried" lol
[02:39] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/a/e3wW8
[02:40] <pleia2> I'd drop the talk bubble in the last panel, but otherwise it's nice
[02:41] <ahoneybun> yea I thought so too
[02:41] <ahoneybun> was trying to make the eyes and mouth right
[02:41]  * tsimonq2 waves to ahoneybun and runs
[02:41] <tsimonq2> :P
[02:41] <ahoneybun> I'm so lonely tsimonq2 lol
[02:41] <ahoneybun> everyone is in Berlin
[02:42] <tsimonq2> well there's Rik but he's in the UK so he's not on at this hour :(
[02:42] <tsimonq2> be like me, change your sleep schedule to be the same as the UK time zones so you can talk to Rik :P
[02:43] <ahoneybun> but I have work
[02:43] <tsimonq2> but you're lonely :P
[02:43]  * tsimonq2 takes this -> #kubuntu-offtopic


[01:47] <stas> ping newz2000
[01:47] <newz2000> hey stas
[01:47] <stas> hey, got a minute?
[01:47] <newz2000> sure
[01:47] <stas> 1st i found a bug: http://i.imgur.com/1OESj.png
[01:48] <stas> wiki doesn't accept diacritics when logging in
[01:48] <newz2000> ooh, interesting
[01:48] <stas> should i file a bug?
[01:48] <newz2000> yeah, can you put it ...
[01:49] <stas> its caused by my name
[01:49] <stas> Stas Sușcov
[01:49] <newz2000> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-isd-web and tag light-wiki?
[01:49] <stas> ok thanks
[01:49] <newz2000> I'm not sure where it will end up, but that's where I'm putting wiki bugs currently\
[01:49] <stas> secondly, may i query you :)
[01:49] <newz2000> you may ;-)
[14:54] <cjohnston> thanks newz2000
[14:54] <newz2000> my pleasure
[16:03] <knome> cjohnston, you are leading the wiki efforts?
[16:08] <cjohnston> the redesign?
[16:19] <knome> well, anything related to wiki
[16:36] <newz2000> As my dad always said, "lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way."
[16:37] <newz2000> Regarding the wiki theme, I'd say everyone so far falls into the "follow" or "get the hell out of the way" categories
[16:37] <knome> well anyway
[16:37] <knome> 1:
[16:37] <newz2000> :-)
[16:37] <knome> the wiki is slow, FIX IT
[16:37] <knome> 2:
[16:37] <knome> would you allow an own theme for xubuntu, for example in wiki.xubuntu.org (much like kubuntu)
[16:38] <newz2000> there is discussion and in theory some work on getting the wiki migrated to 1.9 which should help with the performance and the errors people see
[16:39] <newz2000> regarding xubuntu theme, I don't feel strongly that it is a necessity, similarly I'm not convinced kubuntu should be done as it is
[16:39] <newz2000> having two domains that look diff  but point to the same content causes probs
[16:40] <knome> yeah, exactly what i guessed.
[16:40] <knome> then you have only one option.
[16:40] <knome> make the wiki so snappy it is usable.
[16:40] <newz2000> you make it sound so easy. ;-)
[16:41] <knome> yeah, i know!
[16:43] <knome> what does 'work in theory' mean when we're talking about the wiki migration?
[16:43] <knome> "never happens" or "happens in 2013" ?
[16:43] <knome> no really, sorry if i'm offensive, but the wiki has been useless to xubuntu for all the 3 years i've been working with xubuntu.
[16:44] <knome> this needs to change, or we need an own wiki.
[16:46] <knome> i wonder how the slowness of the wiki has been overlooked so long that the situation is what it is now
[17:03] <Ronnie> is it already clear, in what extend the loco.ubuntu.com and websites from local communities, may (and may not) follow these guidelines http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/guides-for-websites/
[17:07] <knome> newz2000, are you the right person to ask for our options (if there are any apart from sticking with the ubuntu wiki, or somebody else?)
[17:08] <newz2000> knome: someone in the xubuntu community is going ot have to push for a change if they want it.
[17:08] <newz2000> I might be able to help more if I knew what the goal was
[17:08] <knome> goal is to get a more responsive wiki, really.
[17:09] <newz2000> oh, that
[17:09] <newz2000> AlanBell has an RT open and I've heard the community council is discussing it
[17:10] <AlanBell> they did ask, wonder if they got an answer . . .
[17:10] <knome> answer for what? getting the wiki updated?
[17:11] <knome> really, the wiki is *a joke*
[17:11] <knome> and i definitely can see why the people behind it do not want to answer to anything...
[17:11] <knome> :P
[17:16] <AlanBell> knome: yes
[17:16] <knome> AlanBell, okay, do you have any other information on the issue?
[18:07] <cjohnston> stas: ping
[21:30] <AlanBell> knome: the IS team should have been working on upgrading the canonical wiki this week, and in theory they might announce some downtime on the main wiki for the upgrade in the next week or two.
[21:30] <AlanBell> believe it when you see it
[22:15] <cjohnston> stas: any chance your around? need some assistance with bug 716726
[22:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 716726 in ubuntu-website "right navigation arrow on uds.ubuntu.com slideshow cut off (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716726
[23:22] <stas> cjohnston: did you try setting a fixed width to class="slider" element?
[23:35] <stas> cjohnston: or, could you create a temporary account for me so i can fix things around?
[23:36] <stas> if that is not too much


[04:42] <shaunak> thr?
[04:42] <shaunak> hey?
[09:13] <rj6lem> hello;)
[09:14] <rj6lem> рпивет
[12:45] <elaeolo> hallo to all from elaeolo!


[00:10] <katsuodo> jpds it became stuck at 2% and the remaing err unable to connect to mirror statement appears
[00:59] <Chr1z> dell poweredge 6850.. needs 220v.. so.. can a regular 18awgx3c 300v power cable be used if I chop the plug off and replace with nema 6-20p?  or is there something specific supposed to be used?
[01:14] <RoAkSoAx> zul, lp:~andreserl/ubuntu/lucid/vsftpd/vsftpd-apport-531978 Please when possible take a look at it, give me some feedback to link the patch to the bug report. And we need to request FFe I presume?
[02:06] <histo> When I restart apache2 i get an error that apache could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name using <IP_ADDRESS> Where can I enter the domain name I don't see it in apache2.conf anymore?
[02:22] <histo> I added ServerName and ServerAlias settings in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default but its still not determining domain name???
[02:53] <histo> This is annoying I know there is a simple answer for this
[02:53] <histo> I'm not good with this hostname domain name stuff.
[02:53] <histo> Especially since there are virtualhosts now
[03:23] <jmarsden> histo: Check the contents of /etc/hosts carefully.
[04:03] <jayvee> $ virsh -c qemu:///system start CentOS
[04:03] <jayvee>  error: Failed to start domain CentOS
[04:03] <jayvee>  error: internal error Unable to find cgroup for CentOS
[04:03] <jayvee> This was working yesterday. KVM starts fine standalone, too. Any ideas?
[04:16] <Roxyhart08> hi sorry i got my server working on HP 360G6 and i really slow to read data. I am wondering if i need to re-install the HP driver for ubuntu, but i dont know if i do that i lost the informations on the server?
[04:26] <Roxyhart08> anybody know why the server could be slow to read data and if is sure re-install drivers for HP smart array -ubuntu. I mean i won't lost data with it?
[04:26] <bogeyd6> Roxyhart08, what kind of raid card you got in it?
[04:26] <bogeyd6> onboard?
[04:26] <Roxyhart08> smart array
[04:27] <bogeyd6> !fakeraid
[04:27] <bogeyd6> basically you need to not use the onboard raid and just let it default the drives each to raid 0 and use linux software raid
[04:27] <Roxyhart08> so, you mean not use HP drivers?
[04:28] <bogeyd6> im saying if you dont have a RAID card inside of the machine you shouldnt be using the onboard raid
[04:28] <Roxyhart08> yes, i have raid card
[04:29] <jayvee> Noob question: why would software raid be faster than hardware raid? That's a bit counter-intuitive.
[04:30] <bogeyd6> its basically the same if it is onboard raid
[04:30] <bogeyd6> Roxyhart08, please tell me the exact model number
[04:33] <bogeyd6> ok well nevermind i guess Roxyhart08 im headed to bed
[04:33] <bogeyd6> !sleep
[04:36] <Roxyhart08> sorry, i was in a short meeting..give a second to find it
[04:40] <Roxyhart08> hi bogeyd6 im sorry for waiting this is the card: HP Smart Array P410i/256MB
[04:47] <qman__> jayvee, real hardware RAID is actually faster, but fakeRAID is slower and less featureful than software RAID
[04:47] <sekyourbox> I just set up my DHCPD file, how do i check the service please.. google wont help me.. Thanks
[04:47] <qman__> Roxyhart08 has a real RAID controller, but many motherboards these days have onboard fakeRAID controllers such as nvraid, AMD SB750, or silicon image controllers
[04:48] <jayvee> right
[04:49] <jayvee> never heard of fakeraid before
[04:49] <sekyourbox> service dhcpd start>> doesn't work
[04:49] <jayvee> sekyourbox, what's the error?
[04:49] <sekyourbox> The program 'service' can be found in the following packages:
[04:49] <qman__> sekyourbox, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
[04:50] <qman__> also, I think you have to enable it in /etc/default
[04:50] <qman__> otherwise it won't run
[04:50] <sekyourbox> sudo: /etc/init.d/dhcpd: command not found
[04:50] <jayvee> I think it's just 'dhcp'
[04:51] <qman__> on mine it's /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
[04:51] <sekyourbox> im in /etc/dhcp3 by the way
[04:51] <jayvee> actually, might be sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[04:51] <qman__> but it might be different
[04:51] <jayvee> my memory fails me
[04:51] <qman__> sekyourbox, you will need to edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server also
[04:51] <sekyourbox> thanks...
[04:53] <qman__> I think you can also do "sudo start dhcp3-server" with the new upstart stuff
[04:53] <qman__> not sure on that though, I do it the old way
[04:54] <sekyourbox> I should memorize the structure, but i usually dont use ubuntu
[04:54] <jayvee> only works if the service is upstart-enabled
[04:54] <sekyourbox> and have no idea what that is
[04:55] <qman__> well, ubuntu used to use the standard sysvinit style, with all the scripts in /etc/init.d
[04:55] <jayvee> sekyourbox, don't worry. I suspect most of us get equally confused when we move onto red hat boxes. :)
[04:55] <qman__> but now ubuntu uses upstart, and is in a transitional period
[04:55] <qman__> where a lot of services have been changed over
[04:55] <qman__> but not all of them
[04:55] <jayvee> which is why it's a good idea to use 'service', because it supports both
[04:55] <jayvee> if you don't have the 'service' command installed, you are using a version prior to the upstart init script transition
[04:57] <Roxyhart08> qman_ i install the hp drivers when i got ubuntu 9.04, but then i udpgrade ubuntu to 9.10, so i dont know if i need to udgrade also the HP drivers, and what happen if i fo that...could i lost the data and everything on the server?
[04:58] <qman__> Roxyhart08, just updating the drivers should not affect the data on the array, as long as you don't go fdisking it
[04:58] <qman__> though I suggest backing up important files anyway
[04:59] <sekyourbox> 8.04 i think, lol
[04:59] <Roxyhart08> yes, i will do, maybe it could solve the "slow" problem?
[04:59] <qman__> Roxyhart08, possibly, be sure to check out the health status of the drives
[04:59] <qman__> a failing disk could cause that issue too
[05:00] <Roxyhart08> ok, sorry which tool could i use to chek it?
[05:00] <qman__> not sure, probably one of the HP tools
[05:01] <qman__> the standard tool to check SMART data is smartctl, but I don't know if it will work with your RAID controller
[05:01] <Roxyhart08> i think should be
[05:01] <Roxyhart08> ill try, thanks
[05:06] <sekyourbox> Thanks Fellas, have a good one
[05:16] <jayvee> sekyourbox didn't actually say whether it fixed it or not
[07:03] <demonspork> what can cause a server (I was the only user) to suddenly Broadcast message from root@Server /(unknown) at 0:54 .../The system is going down for power off NOW!
[07:03] <demonspork> and then shut down
[07:03] <demonspork> :(
[07:23] <_ruben> demonspork: a nasty cronjob .. accidentally pressing power button .. tons of possibilities once you let your mind go free
[07:28] <mealstrom> has anyone setuped deluged + webui on server? (deluge 1.2.1) ?
[08:01] <jiboumans> good morning
[08:05] <acalvo> good morning
[08:48] <jayvee> howdy folks
[08:48] <jayvee> whenever I try to start one of my KVM virtual machines in libvirt, I get this error: "Error starting domain: internal error Unable to find cgroup for <vm>"
[08:48] <jayvee> happens for every VM, although standalone KVM works fine
[08:49] <jayvee> I'm really stumped, and I really need to fire up one of these VMs right now.
[08:50] <twb> jayvee: is "cgroup" mentioned in dmesg?
[08:50] <twb> cgroup is a kernel feature like /proc, you probably need it compiled into your kernel AND to mount it somewhere
[08:50] <jayvee> twb, yes it is
[08:51] <jayvee> "Initializing group subsys {cpuset,cpu,ns,cpuacct,memory,freezer,net_cls}"
[08:51] <twb> jayvee: does /proc/mounts say it's mounted somewhere?
[08:51] <jayvee> no, it's not
[08:51] <jayvee> I never had it before
[08:51] <jayvee> so I don't get why I need it now
[08:52] <twb> Maybe it's just better at reporting errors now
[08:52] <jayvee> so where should I mount it?
[08:52] <twb> Doesn't matter.
[08:52] <jayvee> mount -t cgroup none $somewhere, I'm guessing
[08:52] <twb> jayvee: maybe libvirt cares -- talk to them about it
[08:53] <twb> They might tell you the error can be ignored
[08:53] <jayvee> well it's blocking the VM from starting up
[08:54] <soren> jayvee: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[08:54] <jayvee> soren, ubuntu 9.10, but I debuild'ed the lucid version of libvirt
[08:54] <jayvee> running the ubuntu10 version of lucid's libvirt
[08:54] <soren> ...and how long were you expecting to go without saying that?
[08:54] <jayvee> heh, I'd actually forgotten
[08:55] <soren> Well, use libvirt from Karmic, and you'll probably be fine.
[08:55] <twb> Releases are not "pick `n' mix"
[08:55] <twb> They don't get feature updates for a reason
[08:57] <jayvee> hmm, it's been working fine up to now
[08:59] <jayvee> well the karmic version says: libvirtError: Unable to deny all devices for CentOS: No such file or directory
[08:59] <jayvee> where CentOS is the name of the VM
[08:59] <soren> Well, /something/ changed.
[08:59] <soren> Other than the date.
[09:00] <jayvee> there's a qemu.conf.dpkg-old — must have some settings left over
[09:00] <ttx> soren: o/
[09:00] <soren> ttx: Dude.
[09:01] <ttx> soren: still planning to close my papercut bug 460398 ?
[09:01] <soren> ttx: Yes, indeed.
[09:02] <ttx> soren: ok, cool :)
[09:02] <soren> ttx: Code's been committed upstream. Just haven't rolled a new release yet.
[09:02]  * ttx gets some coffee
[09:17] <ttx> soren: btw, I had a policy question for you: is it acceptable to do this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391618/
[09:17] <ttx> in postinst, changing the /etc/default/openvpn file on upgrade to match the previous default value
[09:18] <ttx> the idea being, if we change the default behavior, it shouldn't affect old users relying on the old default behavior
[09:19]  * soren looks
[09:19] <persia> ttx: You oughtn't need to do that.  If the checksum of the conffile matches the old checksum, it will be silently overridden by the new conffile.  Otherwise you can't guarantee you aren't changing a user's deliberate default.
[09:20] <jayvee> I haven't edited /etc/default/openvpn on my 8.04 system, so this patch would disable all my VPN configs
[09:20] <ttx> persia: that's the point, I don't really want that. The new conffile is identical to the previous one
[09:20] <ttx> jayvee: no it wouldn't
[09:20] <jayvee> oh, actually, that's changed in the postinst
[09:20] <jayvee> my mistake
[09:21] <soren> ttx: I don't understand the motivation for the change.
[09:21] <persia> ttx: Hrm?  You mean the updated conffile matches some old conffile differing from that shipped in the current version of the package?
[09:21] <ttx> see bug 427701... but I've been asking myself the same question recently
[09:22] <soren> ttx: I've read the bug. Still don't understand, I'm afraid.
[09:22] <soren> ttx: Why would you not want to start openvpn on boot?
[09:22] <persia> soren: Imagine you don't have a network connection at boot.
[09:22] <soren> ttx: If you don't want it to run your vpn connections, don't put them there.
[09:22] <jayvee> if you used it as a client only, maybe?
[09:22] <ttx> persia: /etc/default/openvpn doesn't set AUTOSTART. In that case, we assumed AUTOSTART=all in the init script
[09:22] <jayvee> or used network-manager as a frontend
[09:22] <soren> jayvee: Right. But then why would you put your config files for that in /etc/openvpn ?
[09:23] <ttx> soren: I thought the rationale was that the empty system instance was "blocking" something... but it's not
[09:23] <ttx> soren: so I tend to agree with you
[09:23] <jayvee> ttx is implying that it ships with configs in /etc/openvpn by default
[09:23] <ttx> jayvee: it's not
[09:23] <jayvee> (I don't remember there being any, but that's just me)
[09:23] <ttx> let me sum up :)
[09:24] <ttx> the bug is about how having AUTOSTART=all by default conflicting wit hsome desktop use cases
[09:24] <jayvee> do those cases occur on a fresh system, or only when you have customised /etc/openvpn?
[09:24] <persia> ttx: Oh, I see.  Don't do it that way.  You want to sed -i "s/#?AUTOSTART=.*/AUTOSTART=$AUTOSTART/"
[09:25] <ttx> When I first evaluated the bug as papercut candidate, I thought that in the absence of any config, we were starting up something that was binding to ports and prevented other openvpn startups
[09:25] <ttx> *but*
[09:25] <persia> ttx: set AUTOSTART=all before you source /etc/default/openvpn to have a default value.
[09:25] <ttx> if no config is defined, we don't start anything.
[09:25] <jayvee> no, openvpn doesn't do anything if there's nothing in /etc/openvpn
[09:25] <jayvee> on my eee pc, at least
[09:26] <ttx> so... I fail to see the rationale for the bug, especially as we would differ from Debian
[09:26] <ttx> soren: so maybe we should just wontfix it
[09:26] <persia> The bug may have been incorrectly triaged.  It may be that some of the openvpn client scripts for the plugins are overanxious
[09:27] <persia> Or it may be that something has overly broad Recommends:
[09:27] <soren> ttx: That what I'm leaning towards.
[09:27] <ttx> persia: the only conflict I could come up with would be if some user script was dumping configs in /etc/openvpn and expecting them not to be run at boot.
[09:27] <soren> Nevertheless, the case is interesting.
[09:28] <soren> Let's pretend we wanted to do this.
[09:28]  * soren ponders
[09:28] <ttx> soren: yes, for learning
[09:29] <ttx> persia: assuming we would want to do this, it would actually be OK to change the conffile in postinst on upgrade to explicitly set the value to the old default value ?
[09:29] <soren> I'm wary of even touching a conffile.
[09:29] <persia> ttx: Hrm.  No.
[09:29] <ttx> persia: ok, that's what I thought
[09:29] <swift> guys, what software do you recommend for displaying MRTG graphs on UBuntu-server8.04?
[09:29] <soren> However, if I were to do so, I wouldn't do it unconditionally.
[09:29] <soren> swift: firefox?
[09:30] <persia> ttx: I'm leaning towards shipping an updated conffile with the defaults that would be desired, and not changing postinst, and letting users who adjusted the conffile sort out any mess that may result.
[09:30] <soren> ttx: I would probably store the curren tAUTOSTART value from preinst..
[09:30] <swift> soren, i mean... which version of MRTG?
[09:30] <soren> swift: Whichever is in Ubuntu 8.04.
[09:30] <ttx> persia: interesting. Just shipping an new default file with AUTOSTART=none uncommented.
[09:30] <soren> swift: 2.14.7-2ubuntu3, apparantly.
[09:31] <swift> soren,ubuntu comes with MRTG?
[09:31] <soren> swift: Ubuntu comes with /everything/.
[09:31] <soren> Almost.
[09:32] <swift> soren, i dont see mrtg on ubuntu
[09:33] <swift> can i do "apt-get install mrtg-contrib" to get the package.. this is the one for ubuntu 8.04LTS right?
[09:33] <persia> swift: `sudo apt-get install mrtg` should sort that if you happen to not have it installed.
[09:33] <swift> persia... mrtg-contrib??
[09:33] <soren> swift: Why contrib?
[09:34] <persia> swift: If you want the examples, -contrib works too :)
[09:34] <persia> ttx: Right.  Shipping the default uncommented would update anyone who wasn't doing something special to use that, which is probably >95% of users.
[09:34] <persia> ttx: And it lets dpkg sort out whether we're slamming a conffile, etc.
[09:35] <persia> (and gives the user options to deal with the merge (albeit not great options))
[09:36] <ttx> persia: but then, people that used to rely on the old default value (AUTOSTART="all") and didn't change their /etc/default/openvpn file would end up not having anything started up at boot
[09:36] <ttx> (since the conffile would be replaced, right ?)
[09:36] <persia> ttx: True.  For extra visibility, document this in NEWS as well as the changelog.
[09:37] <ttx> ok
[09:37] <persia> That said, what's the use case for AUTOSTART=all vs. AUTOSTART=none?
[09:37] <persia> To me it feels like this issue is being solved the wrong way.
[09:38] <soren> You could show a debconf notice iff there's any connections configured in /etc/openvpn
[09:38] <ttx> you define system-wide VPNs in /etc/openvpn, AUTOSTART controls which, if any, are started at boot.
[09:38] <persia> I think that when OpenVPN is configured host-wide, it should be started by default, and if it's configured per-user (even for user="all users"), it shouldn't.
[09:38] <ttx> none, all, or specifically-named ones.
[09:39] <ttx> well, defining configs in /etc is "configuring system-wide"
[09:39] <persia> So nm-openvpn (or whatever it's called) and the base openvpn client have different behaviours.
[09:39] <ttx> nm-openvpn provides a separate framework for VPN configs
[09:39] <ttx> that supports user-based and system-based definitions
[09:39] <persia> Right.  Like I said, I think the bug is in the desktopy openvpn config tools, not in openvpn itself.
[09:39] <persia> So is this just a documentation bug?
[09:40] <ttx> probably I'm commenting on it right now
[09:40] <persia> Or a bug in the Kubuntu networking tool?
[09:45] <ttx> It's, at best, unclear where the user-oriented frontends are conflicting with the openvpn "system" mechanism. Set the bug to Incomplete
[09:47] <persia> Needs deeper triage.
[09:51] <soren> The problem with changing the conffile is that at some point in the future (if the conffile shipped in the package changed later on), he will be prompted about changes that he allegedly (but not actually) made to said conffile.
[09:52] <soren> The only sound approach (again, if we were to make this change), I can think if is this:
[09:54] <soren> Check if the user has changed this setting. If he hasn't, check if he has any connections configured in /etc/openvpn. If so, show a debconf notice about this new default behaviour, perhaps along with the one-liner you would have applied to make the change so that the user can make that change himself. If there are no connections configured anyway, nothing will really have changed, so don't bother with the notice.
[09:54] <soren> Perhaps just lower the priority of the notice.
[09:54] <swift> guys, how can i start serial access to another machine connected to a ubuntu server?
[09:55] <jayvee> swift, what sort of serial access?
[09:55] <jayvee> file transfer, ppp, remote logins...
[09:55] <swift> a serial cable connected to an ubuntu machine
[09:55] <ttx> soren: ack
[09:55] <swift> no, serial access to another machine
[09:56] <jayvee> that still doesn't make sense — what do you want to *do* with your serial access?
[09:56] <swift> i want to access another machine's console
[09:56] <jayvee> okay, so remote login
[09:56] <jayvee> you want to look at mgetty
[09:57] <jayvee> mgetty on the server
[09:57] <jayvee> minicom on the client
[09:57] <swift> but, only serial access is available viattyS0
[09:57] <jayvee> yes, mgetty talks to ttyS0
[09:57] <swift> which is the server?... the machine i wanna access?
[09:57] <jayvee> and on the client, minicom also talks to ttyS0
[09:57] <jayvee> swift, yes
[09:58] <swift> so,actually, jayvee, i accidentally closed a serial console window opened on my ubuntu box
[09:58] <swift> i want to re-open it
[09:58] <swift> i just dont know how to do that
[09:58] <jayvee> swift, I use mgetty, but actually looks like you can use plain getty
[09:58] <jayvee> swift, what were you using to get the serial console window?
[09:58] <jayvee> minicom?
[09:58] <swift> yes
[09:59] <jayvee> well just type minicom again
[09:59] <jayvee> and hit enter a few times
[10:00] <jayvee> surely if you opened it once you know how to do it a second time
[10:03] <jayvee> okay, soren, my libvirt magically started working again
[10:03] <jayvee> restarted it, then got an apparmor error
[10:03] <swift> jayvee.. som1 else had kept it for me
[10:03] <swift> :D
[10:03] <swift> now i know
[10:03] <jayvee> different to what I was getting before
[10:04] <swift> thanks!!
[10:04] <jayvee> disabled the apparmor
[10:04] <jayvee> then it worked
[10:04] <jayvee> swift: ah, so they must already have set up the serial server for you
[10:05] <swift> yep
[10:41] <larsemil> where is the ip configured for the virbr0 that i have on my host for virtual machines?
[10:42] <jayvee> larsemil, click on the connection in virt-manager, and go Edit > Host Details
[10:42] <jayvee> it's under the Networks tab
[10:42] <jayvee> the Virtual Networks tab, sorry
[10:42] <larsemil> jayvee: and from console? i dont have X on my server
[10:43] <jayvee> do you have virt-manager on your local machine?
[10:43] <jayvee> you can connect to your libvirt server with that
[10:43] <jayvee> you should be able to do it from virsh though
[10:43] <larsemil> will install it
[10:44] <jayvee> ah, I think I've found what you're looking for
[10:44] <jayvee> type "man virsh"
[10:44] <jayvee> then type /net-edit
[10:44] <jayvee> that has exactly the commands you'll need to do the job from the command line
[10:45] <jayvee> $ virsh -c qemu:///system net-edit default
[10:47] <larsemil> well now i have virt-manager. :)
[10:47] <jayvee> yeah, should make it much more fun
[10:48] <larsemil> allthough i cant edit anything in the edit host details. cant change anything. logged in with root
[10:50] <jayvee> you may need to "stop" the network first
[10:50] <larsemil> ok.
[10:50] <jayvee> and if that doesn't work, there's always the virsh command ^
[10:51] <jayvee> :)
[10:51] <larsemil> we try virsh
[10:55] <larsemil> jayvee: did not seem to change after using virsh either
[10:56] <jayvee> you'll want to restart libvirt
[10:56] <jayvee> service libvirt-bin restart
[10:56] <larsemil> jayvee: after restart its again the "old" ip
[10:57] <jayvee> stop libvirt, run "ifconfig virbr0 <IP_ADDRESS>" and start libvirt again
[10:57] <larsemil> even after saving and again typing the virsh command its the same
[10:58] <larsemil> jayvee: that changed the ip for the bridge but not the settings.
[10:59] <jayvee> I'm guessing you have to disconnect and reconnect virt-manager
[10:59] <jayvee> right-click on the host in virt-manager, and press disconnect
[10:59] <larsemil> well. did that.
[11:00] <larsemil> running virsh -c qemu:///system net-edit defaults, changing the values and then running the command again shows me the old config
[11:00] <jayvee> not really sure
[11:01] <jayvee> I'm guessing it's working anyway
[11:01] <larsemil> will look into hacking the file manually
[11:01] <jayvee> /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml, I think
[11:02] <larsemil> there the settings are correct...
[11:02] <persia> What's a good lightweight httpd for running a mirror?
[11:02] <twb> busybox httpd
[11:02] <jayvee> lighttpd
[11:03] <jayvee> youtube used to use lighttpd
[11:03] <larsemil> no. the russian one..
[11:03] <persia> twb: I'm not that paranoid for this server, and don't have VM support on this server.
[11:03] <jayvee> larsemil, nginx?
[11:03] <larsemil> nginx
[11:03] <twb> Unfortunately, there aren't any httpds that make security their primary concern, so I gave up.
[11:03] <twb> Even OpenBSD run a (heavily patched) apache.
[11:04] <twb> persia: well, busybox is usually installed on all Debian and Ubuntu hosts
[11:04] <twb> persia: so it's "lightweight" because the extra disk footprint, at least, is zero.
[11:05] <persia> twb: busybox isn't installed on either my laptop or my server (although bits of it may exist in my initramfs, I haven't checked
[11:05] <twb> I used thttpd happily for a while until I looked at its (lack of) security scrutiny.  I haven't benchmarked it against lighttpd for serving static content, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still up there.
[11:05] <twb> persia: oh, right, I think ubuntu only install a cutdown "busybox-initramfs" package by default now.
[11:06] <persia> twb: Ah, yes.  I have that installed everywhere, but it doesn't help in this case :)
[11:07] <persia> larsemil: so, why nginx over lighttpd?
[11:07] <larsemil> jayvee: this makes no sense. seems to me i am not able to change even though the settings are correct in the /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml
[11:08]  * persia is serving to ~10 hosts, static content only
[11:08] <larsemil> persia: i just heard alot about it. good things. i never used lighttpd
[11:08] <jayvee> pretty sure that the settings are correct — just something needs restarting
[11:08] <twb> persia: is it just raw speed / cpu/memory overhead you care about?
[11:09] <persia> twb: No.  I just didn't think I needed apache to handle a mirror for buildbots.
[11:09] <persia> twb: apache would serve my needs just fine.
[11:10] <twb> Then any of the above will do.
[11:10] <persia> Yeah :)
[11:10] <twb> I liked busybox httpd and thttpd because you can run them as non-root and just supply configuration on the command-line.
[11:10]  * persia chooses lighttpd because it says "easy to configure" in the description
[11:10] <twb> e.g. thttpd -u $USER -d $PWD -p 8080
[11:10]  * soren has used lighttpd quite happily in the past
[11:12] <jayvee> lighttpd is quite popular, and yes, it is quite easy to configure
[11:18] <twb> jayvee: bah!  Anything that needs a whole config *file* isn't easy.
[11:19]  * twb hugs dnsmasq, for example.
[11:20] <larsemil> jayvee: well i have restarted the whole machine...
[11:30] <larsemil> jayvee: no luck today. will look into it another day but today, no luck changing it. i want my virtual machines on the same net as my physical ones
[11:33] <twb> larsemil: that's called "bridging"
[12:40] <jayvee> larsemil, you'll need to create a bridge that contains both your eth0 interface and your vms
[12:41] <jayvee> you could possibly add your eth0 to your virbr0, but then you'd better be careful to not run a dhcp server on the virbr0
[12:41] <jayvee> I'm not sure how to disable libvirt's dhcp server.
[12:47] <jayvee> okay
[12:47] <jayvee> how the crap to I stop libvirt from messing with my iptables?
[12:48] <jayvee> I'd like a "just the bridge, thankyou" option
[13:00] <ttx> zul: yo
[13:00] <zul> ttx: yippe
[13:00] <zul> ttx: how goes it/
[13:00] <ttx> zul: I will be away tomorrow morning, so I guess I won't start the samba bugday early :)
[13:01] <zul> ttx: thats ok theres plenty for everyone
[13:16] <blackxored> Hi guys, help with debmirror, see here: http://pastebin.com/xH2qi7Sz this started happening after a power failure but it seems unrelated
[13:33] <inveratulo> hi everyone, i'm running ubuntu server under a rh5 xen host, and keep getting these messages in the syslog http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/TkMT3dXH   has anyone run into this before?
[13:35] <chatran> hi
[13:35] <chatran> guys
[13:35] <chatran>  i have this: "LB_test of substitution;054 3220 2010"  and i need this: "LB_test of substitution;05432202010" on vim
[13:35] <chatran> dam hard
[13:35] <jayvee> inveratulo, this is related, maybe? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480317
[13:37] <inveratulo> jayvee: yea that's what i was thinking... the only effect it seems to have is raising the cpu load
[13:38] <huntsville> Good Morning all.  Quick question re: Ubuntu Server 9.04, "apt-get upgrade" shows several packages being held back including kernel.  I'm assuming apt-get has a configuration file somewhere where its holding these files back.  Any idea where??
[13:39] <soren> huntsville: No, that's not how it works.
[13:40] <soren> Usually, they're being held back because they have new dependencies.
[13:40] <soren> huntsville: Try this: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:40] <soren> huntsville: ..and see if that changes things.
[13:40] <huntsville> soren, ah..
[13:41] <huntsville> soren, see I don't want to upgrade the dist
[13:41] <huntsville> from 9.04 to 9.10
[13:41] <soren> Nono.
[13:41] <huntsville> soren, I'm trying to stay on the LTS
[13:41] <soren> That's not what it does.
[13:41] <soren> 9.04 is not an LTS.
[13:41] <soren> ..but regardless, dist-upgrade does not upgrade you to a new Ubuntu version.
[13:41] <soren> Don't worry :)
[13:42] <jayvee> dist-upgrade just means "hey, I'm okay if you install some new packages"
[13:42] <soren> Pretty much.
[13:42] <huntsville> soren, ?  I thought all .04 were LTS :)  Been far too long in the RHEL server space
[13:42] <jayvee> as opposed to "upgrade" which is an alias for "safe-upgrade", which means "please only upgrade packages, don't install any new ones"
[13:42] <soren> huntsville: No. 8.04 was an LTS and 10.04 will be an LTS.
[13:42] <huntsville> soren, ah.
[13:42] <huntsville> jayvee, oh sweet
[13:42] <jayvee> every 2 years is the trend
[13:43] <soren> jayvee: apt-get has no "safe-upgrade"
[13:43] <soren> aptitude does.
[13:43] <jayvee> or is that aptitude I'm thinking of
[13:43] <jayvee> heh
[13:43] <huntsville> :-/ hmm, wondering if I should drop back to 8.04 LTS then.
[13:43] <huntsville> soren, jayvee, I'm trying to create an ubuntu server build standard for my org
[13:44] <soren> huntsville: Then 9.04 is not a good bet.
[13:44] <huntsville> (dist-upgrade works)
[13:44] <soren> huntsville: 10.04 is only a month and a half away, fwiw.
[13:44] <jayvee> if you have a month or two, it may be wise to wait til lucid
[13:44] <huntsville> hmm, I need to get a vTiger CRM up in 3 weeks.
[13:45] <jayvee> 8.04 then, definitely
[13:45] <jayvee> it's supported until 2012, I think
[13:45] <jayvee> or 2013, can't remember
[13:45] <jayvee> 5 years from 8.04, anyway
[13:45] <persia> April 2013
[13:46] <huntsville> there is probably better package support for 8.04 too ;)
[13:46] <soren> jayvee: 8.04 == 2008,
[13:46] <soren> April.
[13:46] <jayvee> I know
[13:46] <soren> Ok.
[13:46] <jayvee> I just can't add 5 to 8 in my head
[13:46] <soren> Math is hard.
[13:46] <jayvee> can never remember whether it's 12 or 13
[13:46] <huntsville> rofl
[13:46] <jayvee> seriously
[13:46] <jayvee> ;)
[13:50] <huntsville> Well thanks guys, #ubuntu was a little too crazy to answer
[13:51] <huntsville> Any idea where ubuntu lists their support dates for Ubuntu server?
[13:51] <huntsville> And is 9.xx where they first made the designation from "desktop" ubuntu and "server" ubuntu?
[13:51] <soren> huntsville: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage
[13:52] <soren> No, first ubuntu server release was either 5.10 or 6.06. I forget which one.
[13:52] <huntsville> soren, great
[13:52] <soren> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more history)
[13:53] <merlijn-> hi what is the recommended kernel for ubuntu 9.10 as a Xen guest?
[13:59] <hyperlinx> how can i see al adaptet usb devices ??
[13:59] <hyperlinx> any shell command ??
[14:00] <sherr> hyperlinx: lsusb?
[14:00] <hyperlinx> but i need the specific name tty ?
[14:01] <hyperlinx> is a GSM usb modem
[14:04] <huntsville> lsusb?
[14:04] <huntsville> oh wait, behind
[14:29] <blackxored> Hi guys, help with debmirror, see here: http://pastebin.com/xH2qi7Sz this started happening after a power failure but it seems unrelated
[14:31] <sherr> hyperlinx: for tty etc. see the log messages i.e. /var/log/syslog
[14:31] <sherr> I would  "tail -f /var/log/syslog" in a shell and then plug it in. See what appears.
[14:31] <Ninjix> blackxored: maybe there is an old lock file?
[15:12] <soren> blackxored: That sort of stuff usually clears itself up after a little bit. I'm not sure why it happens, but I see it occasionally as well.
[15:13] <blackxored> soren, I've been 2 weeks or so with same issue, I've even changed mirroring methods and cleared .temp directory several times
[15:13] <soren> blackxored: Oh, "a little bit" == "a few hours at the most" if that was the issue.
[15:13] <soren> Then I don't know. Where are you syncing from?
[15:14] <blackxored> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <blackxored> wait
[15:14] <blackxored> I'll go out for a smoke
[15:19] <merlijn-> hi what is the recommended kernel for ubuntu 9.10 as a Xen guest?
[15:45] <n8w_> hey
[15:47] <n8w_> guys, im tryin to change permissions to drop_cache file with chmod 755 but i keep gettin an error :operation not permitted
[15:47] <sherr> merlijn-: I guess few here run Xen now, or know the answer.
[15:48] <sherr> merlijn-: Have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[15:48] <sherr> merlijn-: Plus there is a meta package that might help "ubuntu-xen-server". I would guess that "recommended" is whatever the defaults are on install/update.
[15:50] <sherr> n8w_: you don't have perms to that file or the device it is on. Wat perms is it (ls -l) and who are you (id). A unix question really.
[15:53] <n8w_> sherr:  i forgot to mention that im runin it as "su"
[15:53] <n8w_> sherr:  thats the prob...i dont get it...ive got su access but it still says : chmod: changing permissions of `vm/drop_caches': Operation not permitted
[15:54] <genii> There seems to be a (somewhat older) bug report with discussion on this chmodding the drop_caches - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.19/+bug/71575
[15:55] <n8w_> genii:  i think ive read it...
[15:55] <n8w_> i thought that somebody might know what to do
[15:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: hi!
[15:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you still have problems with the UEC test rig?
[15:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: i do :-(
[15:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: let me grab a coffee and let's take a look
[15:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok
[16:01] <merlijn-> sherr: the wiki page is quite outdated, and the ubuntu-xen-server is meant for the host OS, not the guest
[16:06] <kirkland> ttx: fyi, ubuntu server iso's haven't been building for the last few days
[16:07] <ttx> kirkland: yes I know, cjwatson said it's fixed, shouold be ok in the next run.
[16:07] <kirkland> ttx: thanks
[16:07] <kirkland> ttx: i mentioned it last night too
[16:13] <mathiaz> cjwatson: hi - using the installer with a serial console, is it possible to access tty2-tty4 (ie open a shell in the installer or access syslog)?
[16:13] <cjwatson> I think you have to use the shell option on the main menu, unfortunately
[16:15] <larsemil> maybe i just configure virtual bridge myself instead of using the auto isntaller...
[16:16] <ttx> kirkland, smoser: (still on my call) I prepared https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Boto19TestCoverage to shuffle the load of formal euca2ools test coverage among the team, let me know if you have any comments.
[16:17] <ttx> Most commands don't have any optional parameter so it's pretty easy to validate. There are a few complex ones that will take more time, though.
[16:19] <sherr> merlijn-: I have to say I am also interested in Xen somewhat. This is mainly because most of my "server" hardware at work is currently a bit too old for h/w vt.
[16:20] <sherr> I'd like to virtualise stuff on it. Xen's the only real option.
[16:20] <sherr> However, Ubuntu seems a little half-hearted with Xen and support is not so good. If I was to go down this route, I'd use stock Debian (stable).
[16:23] <kirkland> ttx: good idea
[16:25] <ttx> kirkland: that should give us good confidence in boto 1.9, in euca2ools *and* in eucalyptus
[16:33] <hink> It's so hard to find good people. I need to hire some compentent linux sysadmins
[16:38] <ttx> kirkland: ok, I'll talk about the page at the meeting tomorrow.
[16:38] <kirkland> ttx: ok
[16:39] <ttx> sommer: will you be present at tomorrow's team meeting ? Wanted to discuss the status of the server documentation, and any help you might require from us
[16:41] <hink> is that an oxymoron when you fail to spell competent correctly?
[16:46] <ttx> kirkland: I've been testing multi-network lately (CC with two NICs), filed a bug about it. I was wondering if you had the capacity to run such a test yourself (like USB NIC adapters) ?
[16:46] <ttx> kirkland: makes it difficult to use the PXEmagic, unfortunately
[16:47] <ttx> kirkland: what I did is PXEboot the CLC+Walrus and the CC+SC, then sue an ISO to install the NCs
[16:48] <ttx> kirkland: in that scenario the installer asks all kinds of interesting extra questions that you shouldn't quiesce, though
[16:48] <ttx> kirkland: so I added an extra "manual" option in the boot-uec system to not set priority=critical and get them.
[16:50] <Some_One> hi ppl
[16:50] <Some_One> i need some help regarding networking between 2 pcs having ubuntu on them
[16:50] <Some_One> can any one help me ?
[16:51] <Some_One> any one ?
[16:51] <RoAkSoAx> zul, lp:~andreserl/ubuntu/lucid/vsftpd/vsftpd-apport-531978 If you can take a look at it, give me some feedback, and do we have to request FFe for apport hooks?
[16:52] <kirkland> ttx: i should be able to hack on the multi-network here
[16:52] <kirkland> ttx: ie, i have the hardware
[16:52] <kirkland> ttx: it's not configured as such, right now
[16:52] <zul> RoAkSoAx: ill take a look this afternoon and i dont think we need one
[16:52] <kirkland> ttx: and i'm trying to do all the alpha3 testing against the lab rig right now so that i can put that behind me
[16:53] <ttx> kirkland: that would be great, indeed
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> zul, ok, i'll finish the other im working on within this week since it is a busy week at school
[16:53] <Some_One> ?
[16:53] <ttx> kirkland: I think I nailed the only blocking issue in my own testing anyway
[16:53] <ttx> kirkland: so now I'm reasonably confident about it
[16:53] <ttx> bug 534412, for reference
[16:55] <kirkland> ttx: right
[16:55] <zul> RoAkSoAx: k thnk
[16:55] <RoAkSoAx> zul, btw... would it be a good idea to create tempfiles while running the hook?Becuase I wanna filter the syslog output and then place it on a temp file and then attach it in the bug report, instead of putting it inot a variable that will place the output within the Description of the bug report
[16:57] <zul> i dont think so
[16:58] <RoAkSoAx> zul, because otherwise, I'll have to do something like report['SyslogSnmpd'] = recent_syslog(re.compile('snmpd\[')) but it would be better to attach it as a separate file
[16:59] <zul> RoAkSoAx: really its up to you but youll have to remove the temp file after
[17:00] <studio_> how can i test if ssh is working form outside of my home network to a pc in the network
[17:00] <RoAkSoAx> zul, ok awesome. will do that then. Thanks :)
[17:32] <cvmostert> hi all, i am trying to help a friend, how do I connect to his pc via the internet with ssh?
[17:34] <sherr> cvmostert: ssh user@host (see : man ssh)
[17:34] <cvmostert> user is his pc name.. and host his ip?
[17:35] <cvmostert> sherr, thanks i will read the man page
[17:35] <sherr> cvmostert: No - see the man page. This is not realy a #ubuntu-server question. Try #ubuntu.
[17:35] <cvmostert> and hope it helps
[17:35] <cvmostert> i was there and they showed me here...
[17:35] <cvmostert> sorry
[17:35] <sherr> Who knows sometimes? :-)
[17:40] <huntsville> sherr, maybe because its an ssh "server" ;)
[17:57] <davmor2> Hey guys I found a weird issue.  If I type sudo aptitude ebox- and hit tab ebox-mail is listed however it is uninstallable any clue as to why?
[18:00] <pawel__> hi, where can i find md5sum for ubuntu-8.04.4-server-i386 ?
[18:01] <genii> pawel__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[18:02] <pawel__> genii: thx
[18:04] <Fly_green> Âñåì ïðèâåò!
[18:05] <Fly_green> åñòü êòî?
[18:07] <genii> !ru
[18:08] <pawel__> I have good checksums for iso and packages, catalouges at cd, but I have errors when installing ubuntu server, cd fails integrity test. What is the problem? Cd-rom at server machine or something else?
[18:09] <qman__> pawel__, try getting the md5sum of the CD in a desktop, it could very well be the CD-ROM in the server
[18:09] <qman__> the actual CD that you burned, to ensure it was a good burn
[18:09] <stefanlsd> Do we have documentation on kvm and virtio for disk and network drivers?
[18:10] <pawel__> qman__ i did md5sum of CD at desktop, ok so it must be CD-ROM. thx
[18:14] <larsemil> anyone have any experience with dell powerconnect routers?
[18:14] <larsemil> http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pwcnt_5424?c=us&l=en&s=biz&cs=555 got a good price for two of these.
[18:21] <zul> mdeslaur: does this look reasonable for you? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/508190
[18:22] <mdeslaur> zul: let me take a look
[18:29] <mdeslaur> zul: yes, that looks sane
[18:30] <mdeslaur> zul: you can add /var/run/nslcd/* w,
[18:47] <ruben23> hi is cloud computing better then having your own server...?
[18:55] <MTecknology> ruben23: depends on what you're referring to as the cloud and what you want
[18:59] <s`s> is there a way to change the information that comes up on login for the server? Like the system stats that display and everything, I want to know where I can change that around
[19:00] <MTecknology> s`s: I'm not sure if you can change it, but it's coming from landscape-common
[19:01] <mcasadevall> coffeedude: ping?
[19:01] <s`s> MTecknology: is there an area that you can disable enable this from coming up? It's been forever since I've cared about the login prompts in terminal
[19:02] <MTecknology> s`s: I normally just remove that package
[19:02] <s`s> oh ok
[19:02] <s`s> thanks
[19:08] <zul> kirkland: qemu-kvm dailies available starting tonight now
[19:13] <coffeedude> mcasadevall, Hey.  on conf call right now.
[19:13] <coffeedude> NCommander, I'll ping you when I'm off.
[19:17] <kirkland> zul: cool man, thanks
[19:28] <eyci> Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge on creating a working Server- Client network.
[19:29] <JollyMeck> Hello guys! I have a server with ubuntu 9.10 and i wonder if it is possible to somehow setup the syslog to send information to my desktop computer ?
[19:33] <eyci> You're not the only one waiting JollyMeck :)
[19:34] <eyci> Create some conversation in here, perhaps it will be noticed.
[19:36] <Remowylliams> Hello everyone,  common question I'm sure but trying to perform the install of openssh-server fails apt-get can't find the package.
[19:36] <coffeedude> NCommander, ping.
[19:36] <NCommander> coffeedude: pong
[19:36] <Remowylliams> How can I install openssh-server ?
[19:36] <coffeedude> NCommander, what's up?
[19:37] <NCommander> coffeedude: just touching base with you on likewise-open on ARM
[19:38] <Remowylliams> I'm using Ubuntu Server 9.10 64bit
[19:38] <thebwt> Remowylliams: have you done an apt-get update?
[19:39] <thebwt> Remowylliams: my gut reaction is that you have no network connection, or no sources (nothing in your repo file)
[19:39] <Remowylliams> thebwt: no it wasn't in the instructions
[19:39] <Remowylliams> thebwt: no I'm connected.
[19:39] <Remowylliams> I can ping the address just fine
[19:39] <studio_> can anyone help me with ssh?
[19:39] <thebwt> Remowylliams: kk, try doing 'sudo apt-get-update'
[19:39] <coffeedude> NCommander, cool.  I don't know how many patches you have but You might need to rebase off the latest code.  Are you working from the original likewise-open source tarball in Lucid Alpha2?  or from the ubuntu-lucid git branch at git://git.likewiseopen.org/likewise-open.git ?
[19:39] <eyci> That looks like Remowylliams' question studio
[19:40] <Remowylliams> I'll try apt-get update and hope that fixes the list I update aptitude but can't find it anywhere
[19:40] <maxb> studio_: Please ask a more specific question
[19:40] <NCommander> coffeedude: the former, but it shouldn't be hard to move into your git, but I haven't had an opportunity to test likewis eat all on ARM, I just know it builds :-)
[19:40] <eyci> I'll reask my question:"I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge on creating a working Server- Client network."
[19:41] <icye> lol wut
[19:41] <thebwt> eyci: depends largly on the software
[19:41] <studio_> well, i'm stupid, my friend said he will setup my new ubuntu box, if i can get ssh running
[19:41] <coffeedude> NCommander, That's more testing than I've been able to do :)
[19:41] <icye> hey guys whats up
[19:41] <thebwt> studio_: kk, 'sudo apt-get install ssh'
[19:41] <eyci> Server 9.10
[19:41] <thebwt> should do it
[19:41] <coffeedude> NCommander, I'll send you mail once I push out the latest merge today.   Just want to verify the PPA build first.
[19:42] <studio_> done
[19:42] <thebwt> studio_: your friend should be able to help from there.
[19:42] <Remowylliams> thebwt: that should do it. Sorry I've never used Ubuntu before. Mostly FreeBSD, SCO, DEC Unix, Irix, 40 versions of other linuxi. :)
[19:42] <studio_> is there a way i can test it myself?
[19:42] <eyci> Currently I have attempted to set up a server-client network on Server version 9.10, but have not been successful.
[19:43] <thebwt> Remowylliams: don't sweat it ;) Basciaclly that needs to be run to initialize the sources repository. It's usually run automatically (for security updates)
[19:43] <thebwt> studio_: 'ssh localhost'
[19:44] <thebwt> eyci: can you be more specific? What application are working with?
[19:44] <icye> hello
[19:44] <thebwt> studio_: if that asks you for your login password, it is set up and configured. If your friend has trouble connecting still, it's likey a port forwarding issue.
[19:44] <thebwt> icye: Hello
[19:45] <icye> thebwt, I'm eyci
[19:45] <icye> my terminal disconnected :(
[19:45] <thebwt> I figured
[19:45] <studio_> thebwt, thanx
[19:45] <thebwt> ah
[19:45] <thebwt> studio_: always a pleasure.
[19:47] <icye> thebwt: "can you be more specific? What application are working with" what do you mean
[19:49] <davmor2> meh do we not package the ebox-mail portion?
[19:50] <NCommander> BTW, does anyone here care about SPARC and have some interest to debug it?
[19:51] <icye> thebwt we used samba, smbclient but we are lost for the most part
[19:52] <thebwt> ah nvm
[19:52] <thebwt> i was confusing things around
[19:53] <thebwt> samba is fun... so you have multiple desktops to 'share' folders over samba?
[19:54] <icye> yes we basically are trying to set up a server/client network which allows the server to share files with the 5 clients while the clients can't send or recieve from other clients
[19:54] <icye> and we need to set up an application on our server which the clients can run without installing or executing on their own computer
[19:55] <thebwt> icye: are the clients running ubuntu as well?
[19:55] <icye> thebwt yes they are
[19:56] <thebwt> so wait, you want an application on the server, the remote machines access the servers application and run it?
[19:56] <thebwt> is that accurate?
[19:56] <icye>  thebwt yes, basically, and file sharing
[19:57] <thebwt> ssh may be a more suitable(and simple) medium
[19:58] <thebwt> what does the application need to do?
[19:58] <icye>  thebwt ok do you have any guides or walkthroughs to recommend
[19:58] <icye> it could be anything thebwt
[19:58] <Omahn> NCommander:
[19:58] <thebwt> icye: *nods* Well ssh is a versitule tool, first off the server needs openssh-server
[19:59] <Omahn> We have *tons* of SPARC kit, not sure I would be interested enough to debug it though.
[19:59] <thebwt> versatile*
[19:59] <icye> ok is there anything else we need
[19:59] <thebwt> nope
[19:59] <icye> ok how do we get it?
[19:59] <thebwt> you comfortable with the terminal?
[20:00] <icye> not very
[20:00] <icye> but if it's apt get I think we can figure it out
[20:00] <thebwt> kk
[20:00] <thebwt> 'sudo apt-get install ssh' on the server
[20:00] <NCommander> Omahn: its a failure to boot on lucid :-/. karmic is broken due to other issues, but I'm not sure what the underlying issue is specifically :-/
[20:00] <thebwt> the clients don't need it
[20:00] <icye> ok and when we are finished with that, what's next?
[20:01] <thebwt> on a client, open up nautilus
[20:01] <icye> ok
[20:01] <Omahn> NCommander: I didn't realise Lucid would have any SPARC support?
[20:01] <Omahn> \window 2
[20:01] <thebwt> in the location bar, enter "ssh://"username "@" ip address of the server
[20:02]  * Omahn is obviously tired and failing this evening
[20:02] <thebwt> so I use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to access my server at <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:02] <NCommander> Omahn: there's been support for SPARC since dapper(?), but its community maintained, so its not guaretted to work in any given release
[20:02] <icye> ok I'll give it a shot
[20:02] <thebwt> you'll want to set all the 'clients' up with users on the server
[20:02] <thebwt> and use the built in permissions
[20:03] <icye> is it the client username or the server username
[20:03] <thebwt> server
[20:03] <Omahn> NCommander: Ah, ok. I didn't realise it even existed. What hardware are you testing on?
[20:03] <NCommander> Omahn: Sunfire 120
[20:03] <icye> ok is the the user name we log in with or the name we set when we setup the server
[20:03] <NCommander> Omahn: fairly dated box, but it gets the job done
[20:03] <icye> ie. the terminal name
[20:04] <thebwt> icye: log in username
[20:04] <Omahn> NCommander: Yeah, we have plenty of them, many still in production use.
[20:04] <thebwt> icye: that other name is 'host name'
[20:04] <icye> ah
[20:04] <Omahn> NCommander: Does any documentation exist for the SPARC port?
[20:04] <NCommander> Omahn: yeah, there's an official installation manual
[20:04] <NCommander> Omahn: CDs are sometimes flakely though, I find SILO is a real crapshoot if it works on ANY hardware when not booting from HDD
[20:05] <thebwt> icye: any luck?
[20:05] <icye> yes!
[20:05] <icye> omfg ty
[20:06] <thebwt> icye: no problem
[20:06] <NCommander> Omahn: if you grab one of the SPARC CDs from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com, and then burn itr and do boot cdrom, it should just start the installer
[20:06] <icye> so we have the file sharing, how can we use this to run applications
[20:07] <thebwt> icye: that depends strongly on teh application. Is it a gui application?
[20:07] <icye> yes but ubuntu desktop is installed on the server
[20:07] <NCommander> Omahn: I've only installed over serial console (no video card in my server)
[20:08] <thebwt> icye: kk this requires the terminal (but you can make this a script, need to elarn the commands first)
[20:08] <icye>  thebwt we have gnome GUI installed on the server
[20:08] <thebwt> icye: *nods* thats great
[20:08] <icye>  thebwt what commands will we need?
[20:08] <thebwt> on the client, pop open a terminal
[20:08] <thebwt> 'ssh' is all you need
[20:08] <Omahn> NCommander: I'm not onsite again until Thursday but I'll see if I can grab one of the spare boxes to do some testing.
[20:08] <thebwt> but
[20:08] <thebwt> it's already on the clients
[20:08] <icye> ok terminal is open
[20:08] <thebwt> kk
[20:09] <NCommander> Omahn: well, I'm trying a fresh install and upgrade, which may fix it, since karmic was completely foobar'ed on SPARC
[20:09] <thebwt> "ssh user@server-ip -X"
[20:09] <Omahn> NCommander: Remind me again, why? :-)
[20:09] <icye> ok do we enter that
[20:09] <NCommander> Omahn: bug in upstart causes it to segfault, causing init to crash and ...
[20:09] <NCommander> Omahn: (well, bug in libnih which upstart uses)
[20:10] <thebwt> icye: yes
[20:10] <thebwt> let me know when you're logged in
[20:10] <Omahn> NCommander: No, I mean why would you want to carry on using SPARC?
[20:10] <icye> permission denied
[20:10] <blackxored> how i setup a cname record in bind for a SOA pointing at google.com domain
[20:10] <blackxored> ???
[20:10] <NCommander> Omahn: SPARC's a cool architecture :-)
[20:10] <thebwt> icye: did you use the server login username?
[20:10] <icye> yes
[20:11] <icye> oh another client got in
[20:11] <thebwt> kk
[20:11] <thebwt> and you have the -X on the end?
[20:11] <icye> yep
[20:11] <Omahn> NCommander: Mmmm, I think the only SPARC kit I would use today (for new systems) would be the T2
[20:11] <thebwt> kk
[20:11] <thebwt> type 'gedit'
[20:11] <icye> ok
[20:11] <NCommander> Omahn: should be new enough for Ubuntu sparc  to work
[20:12] <icye> its says GTK warning cannot open display
[20:12] <thebwt> the -X, makes sure the X is capitalized
[20:12] <icye> ook
[20:12] <icye> ill try that now
[20:12] <thebwt> logout of the ssh session with 'exit'
[20:13] <icye> oh ok
[20:13] <diago> Hello, I'm having a hell of a time trying to get Windows Server 2003 installed using kvm
[20:14] <diago> I'm running virt-install and trying to connect vnc only to get connection refused
[20:14] <icye> we got the document open
[20:14] <icye> what's nexty
[20:14] <icye> next*
[20:14] <thebwt> icye: that gedit application is running onthe server
[20:15] <NCommander> coffeedude: if you have access to a Windows Server machine that we can maybe setup a VPN or equivelent to, we could probably do the necessary testing with conjuction with members of the server team
[20:15] <thebwt> icye: though, the more I talk to you, the more I think you want a full remote login environment. Don't you
[20:15] <icye> ok can we apply that to something different like a game
[20:15] <diago> Who should own the dir were the image goes?
[20:15] <icye> idk, do we?
[20:15] <thebwt> icye: a 3d game? If it is high end 3d grpahics stuff, that may no work so well
[20:16] <thebwt> diago: are you running it all with sudo?
[20:16] <coffeedude> NCommander, Sure.  That sounds good.  I've got access to most OS types a far amount of hardware....
[20:16] <icye> no like 2d chess or something already installed on ubuntu cause this is a school assignment nothing big
[20:16] <diago> yeah, then when I try and connect with virt-viewier I get invalid argument in virDomainGetXMLDesc
[20:16] <diago> thebwt: ^^
[20:16] <coffeedude> NCommander, I mean fair...
[20:17] <blackxored> please help me with this one:
[20:17] <blackxored> blackxored> hey guys
 I've done this before so don't blame me
 I'm setting a gandi domain through gapps
 and now stuck in the verification phase
 what should I enter in the zone file to get google*****8 to point to google.com as a CNAME record
 ???
[20:17] <coffeedude> NCommander, I'll email you an update later today and we can work out the details,.
[20:17] <NCommander> coffeedude: I know relatively little about likewise itself, I just ported it as its, although its useful to have no doubt
 googledd4d6e####### 10800 IN CNAME google.com.
 doesn't seem to work
[20:17] <NCommander> coffeedude: thanks, I'll make sure that email also gets to other people who need to test it if thats ok
[20:17] <thebwt> diago: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests#Example%20Windows%20install
[20:17] <coffeedude> NCommander, It's useful people in certain environments and irrelevant to people in others :)  Like all software.
[20:18] <thebwt> icye: in that ssh session, type /usr/games/glchess
[20:18] <thebwt> icye: "/usr/games/glchess"
[20:18] <thebwt> w/o the quotes
[20:18] <NCommander> coffeedude: heh :-)
[20:18] <icye> And this will run the chess game?
[20:18] <thebwt> icye: yes
[20:18] <icye> What about installing a program and running it via LAN?
[20:19] <thebwt> you are running that via lan
[20:19] <thebwt> the chess game is running on the server
[20:19] <thebwt> and displaying on the client
[20:19] <thebwt> hmm
[20:19] <icye> I meant, running a game and having other clients also playing that game, connected together
[20:20] <diago> thebwt: Everything there is exactly what I have done so I'm not sure what the issue is
[20:21] <diago> I get this after running virt-install: Starting install... libvir: QEMU error :
[20:22] <heynow> hi all - can anyone confirm that this ethernet controller is compatible with 8.04 OTB HP NC107i in a Proliant DL120 G6
[20:22] <diago> then it continues and says .. install in progress blah blah
[20:22] <icye> I'm guessing, to prove that we successfully installed and ran a program from the server, we would need some program not already installed on the other desktops, the clients.
[20:22] <thebwt> yup
[20:22] <diago> also I can't specify arch x86 for some reason
[20:24] <thebwt> diago: I recommend #ubuntu-virt (the ubuntu virtualization channel)
[20:24] <thebwt> diago: it sounds like qemu isn't installed or is misconfigured
[20:24] <diago> ok thanks
[20:25] <icye> We will find a program to run, but if the program has a LAN connection capability (Such as the Chess can access a server to play with other humans), would this allow us to run the game and access the LAN to play together all through the server?
[20:25] <thebwt> icye: no
[20:25] <thebwt> icye: I'm not sure how you would do that
[20:25] <thebwt> icye: maybe vnc would
[20:25] <icye> vnc?
[20:26] <thebwt> icye: I'm just not sure if vnc allows siumotanious connections
[20:26] <Pici> It can
[20:26] <thebwt> Pici: do you think it would do what icye is wanting?
[20:26] <icye> So ssh doesn't allow similtaenous connections?
[20:26] <thebwt> icye: hmm it is different
[20:28] <thebwt> icye: ssh is, but this has to do with x server (the display server) sharing. You need an abstraction over that, which vnc provides.
[20:29] <icye> More importantly, is there a way to have these games open from an icon, rather then having to type it in the terminal? Would that basically be changing the filepath of an icon to the filepath on the server?
[20:29] <thebwt> icye: that would be the script I mentioned earlier.
[20:29] <icye> Ahh
[20:30] <thebwt> icye: really though, this is all just a hack to make it work. The functionality you desire would need to be built into the application in question
[20:30] <thebwt> icye: for it to work well.
[20:30] <icye> I'm guessing the majority of games don't have this functionality built in. Do you know of any that do?
[20:30] <thebwt> icye: games with client-server connections, yea I know a few
[20:31] <thebwt> freeciv
[20:31] <thebwt> open arena
[20:31] <thebwt> hmm
[20:31] <thebwt> not sure beyond that
[20:31] <thebwt> I'm not sure I understand the full purpose I guess.
[20:31] <icye> These are in the repositories that we should all ready have access to, or from a webpage?
[20:32] <thebwt> repository
[20:32] <icye> how would we install one of them?
[20:33] <icye> just apt install openarena?
[20:33] <thebwt> icye: at this point you're question is no longer really server related. You should move to #ubuntu. The way to install applications is syste->admin->Synaptic package manager. Use the search function to search for the applications.
[20:34] <icye> Ok.
[20:34] <icye> That is all the questions we can think of. Thank you for your time.
[20:34] <thebwt> It was fun :)
[20:37] <JollyMeck> Hello guys! I have a server with ubuntu 9.10 and i wonder if it is possible to somehow setup the syslog to send information to my desktop computer ?
[20:41] <jcastro> JollyMeck: search for "remote syslog"
[20:41] <jcastro> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-remote-syslog-logging-debian-and-ubuntu
[20:42] <jcastro> soemthing like that
[20:42] <JollyMeck> jcastro: thanks
[20:50] <MTecknology> jcastro: I would have loved that link ~4mo ago
[20:50] <jcastro> centralized logging ftw
[20:50] <MTecknology> jcastro: ya, I figured it out but a pretty guide like that would have been ncie
[20:51] <MTecknology> jcastro: mostly because I mail the logs to myself nightly
[20:51] <\sh> jcastro: bah...it still uses sysklogd and not rsyslog ;)
[20:51] <jcastro> yeah whichever syslog daemon we ship by default.
[20:52] <\sh> rsyslog that is...
[20:52] <jcastro> there are likely 5 out-of-date wiki pages on wiki.ubuntu.com on the subject I'm sure
[20:53] <MTecknology> jcastro: the story of rapidly changing technology
[20:53] <\sh> hopefully when we are finished here with our solution we can write something up covering: centralized syslogging from network appliances, from ubuntu server, from tomcat application logs via log4j etc. including bringing the different logs to admins, developers and managers ;)
[20:54] <\sh> including: "which storage solution behind that magic box"
[21:05] <Kenjiro> hello there
[21:05] <Kenjiro> does anyone know which package should I install to get "ldap.load" on my server? (Ubuntu Server 9.10)
[21:05] <MTecknology> Kenjiro: aptitude search apache | grep ldap
[21:07] <sherr> Kenjiro: Also - search package contents here http://packages.ubuntu.com
[21:08] <Kenjiro> MTecknology: weird
[21:08] <Kenjiro> I have all those three packages installed but I still don't get ldap.load :(
[21:08] <Kenjiro> was that a file from an old version of Ubuntu, which was "discontinued"?
[21:09] <MTecknology> Kenjiro: pastebin 'ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/
[21:10] <Kenjiro> http://pastebin.ca/1830653
[21:11] <Kenjiro> close to that I have ldap_userdir.load
[21:13] <guntbert> Kenjiro: wrong directory mods-available not mods-enabled
[21:13] <Kenjiro> oh man...
[21:14] <Kenjiro> guntbert: do you have a gun? if so, please shoot me on the butt
[21:14] <guntbert> Kenjiro: happens to the best :)
[21:18] <Kenjiro> still weird.
[21:18] <Kenjiro> now I have ldap.load on the right place (mods-enabled/)
[21:19] <Kenjiro> then I try to start apache2 and it says "Unknown Authn provider: ldap"
[21:19] <Kenjiro> :(
[21:20] <MTecknology> Kenjiro: did you do a2enmod ldap?
[21:47] <zAfi> Hey there. I'm running ubuntu server 9.10 on the Intel D510MO with integrated Atom D510 CPU and I just can't figure it out, how to change the default governor from performance to ondemand. (/sys/dev/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq does not exist btw...) Any hints/ideas? ;)
[21:50] <jjohansen> zAfi: if it doesn't exist something is telling the kernel scaling is not supported
[21:52] <zAfi> hm...but it should...
[22:45] <glphvgacs> hi, ext4 on 9.10 and now lookin for a good pick of usage for / and /home
[22:45] <glphvgacs> should I go with large4 for both?
[22:50] <bogeyd6> ext4 should be default filesystem all around
[22:53] <glphvgacs> bogeyd6: yes, and then I have this option during installation that I can specify usage
[22:53] <glphvgacs> and there I have   largefiles largefiles4 news and standard
[22:56] <bogeyd6> !ext4
[22:56] <bogeyd6> !filesystem | glphvgacs
[23:58] <jayvee> u


[15:31] <slyon> I think most people are busy at a Canonical event today. So we should probably skip today's MIR meeting..
[15:33] <eslerm> agreed :)


[05:40] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn and others
[07:28] <Kilos> hi Xethron Golynx
[07:29] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[07:36]  * Kilos researching using 2 modems at once
[07:37] <Kilos> was a fluke that they worked here till a reboot
[07:38] <Kilos> speed was much fatser and signal strength showed full where normally only 4 bars
[07:38] <Kilos> s/fatser/faster
[09:54] <Kilos> bbl
[12:01] <charl> wb Kilos
[12:01] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:01]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:01] <Kilos> ty charl
[12:02] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[12:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[12:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[12:05] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[12:05] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:41]  * Kilos wonders who pleistervirmyhar is
[13:47] <Golynx> what is a pleistervirmyhar lol
[13:47] <Kilos> a nick that popped in and out yesterday and today
[13:48] <Golynx> oh
[13:48] <Kilos> [15:33] --> pleistervirmyhar has joined this channel (~deb@173.Red-88-29-216.staticIP.rima-tde.net).
[13:48] <Kilos> dont you see them?
[13:48] <Golynx> nope, dont have fancy features of a full irc client
[13:48] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[13:49] <Kilos> what are you using?
[13:49] <Golynx> it should be pleistervirmyhart lol
[13:49] <Golynx> opera chat
[13:49] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:50] <Golynx> power off again ai
[13:50] <Kilos> ai!
[13:50] <Golynx> i thought the coal would be dry by now :/
[13:51] <Kilos> i have connected my ups but its battery is suspect so only pc running not screen too
[13:51] <Kilos> the coal story was just a story
[13:52] <Kilos> the main thing was broken conveyor belts that werent repaired since 2013
[13:52] <Kilos> so the coal didnt come to them
[13:53] <Golynx> i got a 1 hour and 18 minutes of battery power left, but its actually 30 minutes or so hehe
[13:53] <Kilos> how you doing with linux Golynx ? you still crying for windows?
[13:53] <Kilos> ouch
[13:53] <Golynx> oh thanks for the coal story
[13:53] <Kilos> np
[13:54] <Golynx> lol i like linux :)
[13:54] <Kilos> see lots on carteblanche and the other invetigative shows
[13:54] <Golynx> never wana go back to windows
[13:54] <Kilos> good man
[13:55] <Golynx> i do need some apps though that is exclusivly for Windows and Mac. So i will need windows again
[13:55] <Kilos> just be patient for another month or so and ill send you a cd
[13:56] <Golynx> ya the DA is hunting Eskom for answers
[13:56] <Golynx> oh nice
[13:56] <charl> Kilos: rima-tde.net is spanish
[13:56] <Golynx> what do you have
[13:56] <Golynx> hi charl
[13:57] <charl> hi Golynx
[13:57] <Kilos> i have a oem xp
[13:57] <Kilos> oh and a sp3 somewhere for it
[13:58] <Golynx> ok, can i go online with that xp
[13:58] <Kilos> yeah its original cd with product key
[13:58] <Golynx> with product key, meaning not installed yet ?
[13:59] <Kilos> it was years ago
[13:59] <Kilos> on a pc i bought for spares so they gave me the cd too
[14:00] <Golynx> ok will have to see if it works here on mine, in terms of the product key
[14:00] <Kilos> i tried it once and it even registered wit ms
[14:00] <Golynx> thanks Kilos
[14:02] <Golynx> nice that sounds good
[14:03] <Kilos> you can go online with cracked ones too, only you cant get stuff fro ms themselves
[14:05] <Golynx> that will be some serious die hard ms peeps that do that lol
[14:06] <Golynx> there are some great free download sites for windows, but ya most are infected with malware and such
[14:06] <Kilos> xp is expiring in a couple of months
[14:07] <Kilos> support that is
[14:08] <Golynx> np, its mostly for offline development use that i need windows
[14:08] <Kilos> ok
[14:08] <Golynx> will be using Xfce mostly
[14:09] <Kilos> i use windows now for working on modems because all the firmware and everything gets done with windows
[14:10] <Kilos> all the tools for usb modems are mainly for xp but some work on win7
[14:11] <Golynx> i agree, xp got alot more support in terms of hardware.
[14:12] <Golynx> but enough about windows lol, this is a ms killing zone :D
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:21] <Golynx> battery low bbl :)
[14:21] <Kilos> shame
[16:33] <not_found> evening all o/
[16:35] <Kilos> hi not_found
[16:35] <psydroid> hi not_found
[16:35] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:35] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[16:35] <not_found> hey uncle Kilos... sorry for not being available today... was in bed for most of the day... slept long and hard :p
[16:35] <not_found> hi psydroid
[16:36] <Kilos> no man no prob im just looking at things and needed a pointer
[16:36] <Kilos> you gotta look after yourself first
[16:37] <not_found> no I am fine... just needed some more rest it seems ;)
[16:37] <Kilos> sorry for worrying you
[16:37] <Kilos> but my pc working from 2 modems and showing both in nm is eating me up
[16:38] <not_found> is that a good or a bad thing?
[16:38] <Kilos> so i been trying to find out what happened and how to do it again
[16:38] <Kilos> it was superfast and showed full connection first time ever
[16:39] <Kilos> ive searched google sick and came up with one way that coould work
[16:39] <Kilos> so i wanna try duplicate the performance
[16:40] <not_found> interesting idea, using two modems...
[16:40] <Kilos> http://www.zeroshell.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3548&sid=2ac3f79a6dbe52d45421ee37e5d7ab70
[16:40] <Kilos> at the bottom
[16:41] <Kilos> but i dunno where or how to put that starter script
[16:42] <not_found> that scripts without saying how he got to it makes it hard
[16:42] <Kilos> i knew it must be possible because it worked here for 2 days and i dunno how i got them both to connect
[16:42] <Kilos> normally if you plug second one then first one disconnects
[16:43] <not_found> and you can't remember what you did the last time?
[16:43] <Kilos> i did so many things and followed advice on about 10 links and dunno what or where made it work
[16:44] <not_found> sounds like me when I get desperate... usually cummulates with me re-installing as nothing wants to work anymore
[16:44] <Kilos> whatever it was died as soon as power went off and dlink forgot its a modem
[16:45] <Kilos> lol ya all them scripts and things make a pc sicker
[16:46] <Kilos> now i have it working in nm but again dunno how. tried in kde and no luck
[17:03]  * Squirm pops in
[17:04] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[17:06] <Kilos> i also tried gnome-ppp and wvdial as well not_found and when nothing worked i looked at nm at it showed connected
[17:06] <Kilos> hehe
[17:07] <not_found> I am not sure how many of the gui's are just using the same underlying applications and don't do anything different...
[17:07] <Kilos> so at what stage it happened i dunno
[17:08] <Kilos> imo they made some error with their cdfs stuff so you get the .deb off the modem, install it and when you reboot it auto connects but you have no visible knowledge of it
[17:09] <Kilos> it kinda takes over though because you have to manually mount any other usb sticks etc
[17:11] <Kilos> i wish i knew more
[17:11] <not_found> don't we all
[17:12] <Kilos> Squirm where and how does one add that script at the bottom of this link?
[17:12] <Kilos> http://www.zeroshell.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3548&sid=2ac3f79a6dbe52d45421ee37e5d7ab70
[17:13] <Kilos> oh and i had sakis3g going as well
[17:14] <Kilos> i thought it was just switching the modem with sakis that did it but that dont work on kde
[17:22] <not_found> bbl
[17:25] <Kilos> hi there cocooncrash_ hows things by you?
[17:42] <Squirm> Kilos: did you find where to add it?
[17:42] <Kilos> nope Squirm
[17:42] <Squirm> what distro?
[17:42] <Kilos> in startup somewhere
[17:42] <Kilos> 12.04
[17:43] <Squirm> In Mint, in the menu, I have a "Preferences"
[17:43] <Squirm> in there, I find Startup
[17:43] <Squirm> it's the gui way to do it
[17:46] <Kilos> where is the startup stuff? in /usr/bin/?
[18:02] <Squirm> very easy gui way
[18:02] <Squirm> the only other way I know how to do it
[18:02] <Squirm> is stick it in /etc/init.d/
[18:03] <Kilos> ah ok ill try that ty
[18:03] <Squirm> then run a command along the lines of update-rc.d
[18:03] <Kilos> ok
[18:32] <Kilos> more is nog n dag
[18:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[12:38] <terran> czajkowski: think they'll be showing the irish match at FOSDEM? :p
[12:40] <czajkowski> always are in bar celtica
[12:40] <czajkowski> what train are you on
[12:44] <terran> 10:58 on the Friday arriving 14:05
[12:46] <czajkowski> we're on the one after that
[12:46] <czajkowski> looking forward to it :D
[12:47] <terran> I'm staying in a 5 star hotel this time
[12:47] <terran> moving up in the world
[12:48] <czajkowski> nice
[12:48] <czajkowski> which one?
[12:48] <terran> Eurostars Hotel Montgomery
[12:50] <czajkowski> cool
[12:50] <czajkowski> keith and niall are also coming over
[12:51] <terran> Nice, I expect I'll meet ye all in Delerium Friday night so
[12:51] <czajkowski> most definately
[12:51] <czajkowski> will try and get there early but after foods and get a table
[12:51] <czajkowski> we were lucky last year
[12:56] <terran> aye
[14:30] <slashbel> there's a match on…?
[14:31]  * slashbel thinks it could be time to have some fun with the tv-b-gone :P
[14:34] <zmoylan> you could cause a riot with an emp generator at a geekcon :-)
[14:35] <slashbel> emp generators are largely the invention of science fiction
[14:36] <zmoylan> company in states sells them i think as a diy project...
[14:36] <slashbel> when thunderstorms fail to fry electronic without a direct hit, how much power would an emp generator require to be effective
[14:37]  * slashbel did a little investigation while looking for a means to disable sound systems
[14:37] <zmoylan> noisy neighbours?
[14:37] <slashbel> no, noisy bars
[14:37] <zmoylan> ah
[14:37] <slashbel> how to take out the DJ
[14:59] <ebel> hehehe


[12:35] <LeoNerd> GAHHH
[12:36] <LeoNerd> ONCE AGAIN  bzr up  did not abort on diverged history but instead made a merge
[12:36] <LeoNerd> How do I a) unfuck this, and b) stop it EVER doing it again?
[12:36] <LeoNerd> I do not *EVER* want  bzr up  to merge. if there's divergant history I want it to complain, so that I can rebase
[12:58] <Spads> LeoNerd: so bzr up kind of *is* merge
[12:59] <LeoNerd> Yes. I don't want one
[12:59] <Spads> so why did you run bzr up, exactly?
[12:59] <LeoNerd> I want it to bring me in new non-divergent history, or abort if there is
[12:59] <Spads> are you doing a bzr checkout?
[12:59] <LeoNerd> It's a checkout yes
[13:00] <Spads> is there a reason you're doing that instead of bzr branch?
[13:00] <LeoNerd> Because most of the time I'm online and therefore I want to use the central server
[13:00] <Spads> the semantics of bzr checkout are there to support people who are uncomfortable with anything but SVN, near as I can tell
[13:00] <Spads> everyone else just uses bzr branch
[13:00] <Spads> and does pull/merge/push
[13:00] <Spads> a pull will abort on divergent history
[13:01] <Spads> up is basically "merge from where I checked out to" and that is basically all it is
[13:02] <Spads> s/ to//
[13:02] <LeoNerd> Ah; maybe I should just use pull then..?
[13:03] <Spads> I think so
[13:03] <Spads> you'll need to branch first
[13:03] <LeoNerd> Nah
[13:03] <Spads> your checkout has no repo basically
[13:03] <LeoNerd> pull :bound == up, give or take
[13:03] <Spads> yeah
[13:03] <Spads> see this conflict detection is a repo opration
[13:03] <Spads> mostly
[13:03] <Spads> so it's about two repos communicating
[13:03] <Spads> (I think)
[13:03] <Spads> so a branch will have a local repo
[13:04] <Spads> and can thus negotiate the conflicts correctly
[13:04] <Spads> but if pull :bound works, then do use it!
[13:04] <Spads> but divergent history vs :bound doesn't make sense to my mind
[13:04] <Spads> history only exists in branches
[13:04] <Spads> not checkouts
[13:04] <Spads> checkouts defer history to the bound branch
[13:04] <LeoNerd> I only really get divergent history if I was offline on my laptop, like on a train
[13:04] <LeoNerd> As happened here
[13:04] <Spads> if you're doing work offline on your laptop, you want to branch locally
[13:05] <Spads> unless this is something pathological like a repo with 44G of history or something
[13:05] <LeoNerd> Hrm? A checkout is a branch
[13:05] <Spads> not really
[13:05] <LeoNerd> bzr co == bzr branch + bzr bind
[13:06] <Spads> hm
[13:06] <LeoNerd> It's not a _lightweight_ checkout.. it still has a local branch
[13:06] <Spads> ahhhh
[13:06] <Spads> okay sorry
[13:06] <Spads> yes, I was thinking lightweight
[13:06] <LeoNerd> :)
[13:06] <Spads> so yeah, see if pull :bound has the right semantics for you
[13:06] <LeoNerd> Oh, Ialready know it does. I just keep forgetting to do that
[13:06] <Spads> heh
[13:06] <LeoNerd> ((You only need :bound the first time; it'll remember afterwards)
[13:06] <Spads> bzr pull --remember is handy when you get those wrong
[13:08] <Spads> maybe bzr alias up="pull :bound" would help :)
[13:08]  * Spads does that on his one heavyweight checkout
[13:11]  * Spads has been using bzr since 2006 or so, and could swear that bzr co used to do lightweight checkouts
[13:12] <LeoNerd> Mm... I don't think it ever has done
[13:12] <LeoNerd> Though that might be a configurable option
[13:14] <Spads> iinteresting
[13:14] <Spads> TIL
[17:51] <fullermd> Your problem isn't using 'up', it's using 'ci --local'.  I still maintain that its existence is a bug   :p