[02:58] <Unit193> popey: Seems you work on MATE?  You might want to know about Debian #1033609, #1033595, https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mpv/news/20230331T190706Z.html I guess?  Dunno, maybe not.  Just don't want it to blindside you with mpv.
[02:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1033609 in mpv "ytdl_hook: EDL doesn't support fragmentswithout duration with MP4 DASH" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1033609
[02:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1033595 in mpv "mpv: fails to play YouTube videos after yt-dlp upgrade to version 2023.03.04-1" [Important, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1033595
[03:00] <Unit193> ItzSwirlz: ↑ you do Cinnamon?  seeded-in-ubuntu names that flavor too.


[00:24] <poolie> i wonder how that person went with the retry-lock thing
[01:00] <spiv> Good morning
[03:00] <spiv> Gar, unity or compiz or something has lost my mouse buttons again.
[03:01] <spiv> Hmm, closing a bunch of firefox and gnome-terminal windows at random got it back :/
[03:19] <poolie> hi spiv
[03:19] <poolie> -> fixreleased :)
[04:02] <spiv> poolie: oh wow, that little categorise_failures.py patch has changed it from taking most of a minute to about 3 seconds.
[04:03] <spiv> I thought it must be broken because the process was only visible for one refresh of top(1) :)
[04:13] <poolie> way to go :)
[05:08] <gour> morning
[05:09] <gour> jelmer: attempt to update git repo, has given me: http://pastebin.com/8nVnUNmn
[05:23] <poolie> hi gour
[05:24] <gour> morning poolie
[05:29] <leo2007> how to view the commit with id b97184973?
[05:31] <lifeless> bzr diff -c revid:b97184973
[05:32] <spiv> In general you can just do "bzr log -r REVID" (or "bzr diff -c" as lifeless says), but that doesn't look like a revid from bzr.
[05:32] <leo2007> lifeless: thanks.
[05:32] <leo2007> spiv: not if it is a sha1.
[05:33] <spiv> Well, bzr revids aren't sha1 hashes, or truncations of them.
[07:33] <poolie> spiv, still here?
[07:35] <poolie> i might do bug 794631
[07:35] <spiv> I am
[07:35] <poolie> by requeing that package
[07:36] <poolie> just wondered if you had touched the importer recently
[07:36] <poolie> to deploy max's fix
[07:36] <spiv> poolie: you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/793393 ?
[07:36] <poolie> yes, though the specific relevant change is https://code.launchpad.net/~maxb/udd/import-ordering-fix-take-2/+merge/63335 i think
[07:36] <spiv> I'd been hoping the thousands of spurious failures would clear up a little faster :(
[07:37] <poolie> due to the lp outage?
[07:37] <spiv> Right
[07:37] <poolie> francis suggested perhaps we should ask the losas to shut it off during an lp downtime deploy
[07:37] <spiv> Yes, I think that's probably a good idea
[07:37] <poolie> generally speaking automation is better than additional manual steps, but...
[07:37] <poolie> ok
[07:37] <spiv> It's not going to give wrong results, it just avoids effectively DoSing the import queue for a day
[07:37] <lifeless> mmm
[07:38] <lifeless> so
[07:38] <lifeless> I'd like it if we don't give the losas -more- things to do during the downtime.
[07:38] <spiv> The importer ought to be able to clear that backlog faster, of course.
[07:38] <spiv> I'm not sure why it's so slow
[07:38] <lifeless> can you probe LP and see if its showing the readonly warning ?
[07:38] <spiv> If there's an API for that, then that's probably fairly easy
[07:39] <lifeless> Well
[07:39] <lifeless> the API doesn't work during downtime.
[07:40] <lifeless> The OAuthToken table can't be written to
[07:40] <poolie> :/
[07:40] <lifeless> it *may* work for readonly requests.
[07:40] <poolie> so we can see if the error you get is comprehensible
[07:40] <poolie> astr at least some errors are socket.error
[07:40] <poolie> *istr
[07:40] <spiv> Yeah.
[07:40] <lifeless> (Another reason why I want to go to plain old 'its down down down' but make that fast.
[07:41] <poolie> phut
[07:42] <poolie> so, there's no clear "are you down" api?
[07:42] <lifeless> search for readonly mode in the html of https://launchpad.net/
[07:42] <poolie> ok
[07:43] <poolie> or a socket error reading that page could also indicate we should make a cup of tea instead
[07:43] <lifeless> indeed
[07:43] <lifeless> also a 500 or 400 on that page
[07:43] <lifeless> all signs that Something Is Wrong Fred
[07:43] <poolie> maybe it should return a float :-)
[07:43] <poolie> ok
[07:43] <lifeless> the other thing you might like to do
[07:44] <lifeless> is to keep a track of the overall failure rate
[07:44] <lifeless> and if it shoots up for any reason, stop and wait for an admin
[07:44] <poolie> hm
[07:44] <lifeless> this will help you if e.g. a bad bzr build gets on the machine
[07:44] <poolie> i see what you mean but that would be exactly wrong in the current situation
[07:44] <poolie> where things will suck immensely for 1-2 hours, then get better
[07:45] <lifeless> there is a integration pattern around this whose name I temporarily forget
[07:45] <poolie> i know
[07:45] <poolie> ok
[07:45] <lifeless> sure
[07:45] <lifeless> anyhow
[07:45] <poolie> i wonder if an "is lp up" function would be accepted into lplib?
[07:45] <poolie> istm it's the sort of thing that should be there, rather than having crappy implementations everywhere
[07:46] <lifeless> my key constraint is: we are taking things-losas-need-to-do-during-rollout and throwing them out. So as long as you don't add to that load, I have no particular interest in how you solve it ;)
[07:46] <lifeless> poolie: yes, putting it in lplib makes sense to me
[07:46] <poolie> well
[07:46] <poolie> i thought you would say that
[07:46] <poolie> was interesting francis said the opposite :-P
[07:46] <lifeless> he did ?
[07:47] <lifeless> I shall have to have words with that boy :)
[07:47] <poolie> that's what i said
[07:47] <poolie> just pragmatism vs long term view i think
[07:47] <lifeless> stuart is automating the inner loop of the deploy and working out
[07:54] <spiv> poolie: ok, bzr-builddeb and udd are now current on jubany, and the sysvinit import requeued as requested by maxb
[07:54] <poolie> ah
[07:54] <poolie> i already requeued it, but that should be harmless
[07:54] <poolie> thanks anyhow
[07:54] <spiv> Ah :)
[07:55] <vila> poolie, spiv: There was a discussion about adding some canaries to mass_import so that we stop adding imports if either lp or another mirror went offline
[07:56] <poolie> yes
[07:56] <poolie> let's do it
[07:56] <poolie> bonjour
[07:57] <vila> helllo :)
[07:58] <vila> I can't remember if there was a bug for it though
[08:08] <spiv> *Ah*
[08:08] <spiv> I think I've figured out this fetch problem.
[08:10] <spiv> Just because inventory X is present and parent of the set being streamed doesn't mean we can safely assume X's CHK pages will be streamed from a fallback
[08:11] <spiv> Because the fallback may have an inventory Y that is a present parent that has a same CHK root node as X
[08:11] <spiv> So it will also think it doesn't need to send those CHK records, leaving the client sad.
[08:12] <spiv> And this is happening with lp:debian/experimental/libffi + fallbacks.
[08:15] <vila> jelmer: http://webnumbr.com/imported-branches-on-launchpad is the summary of your recent mail storm regarding imports right ? If so, keep going ! :D
[08:20] <jam> morning all
[08:21] <jam> spiv: I should also note one clarification from your stacking invariant post
[08:21] <jam> we currently *exclude* both parents
[08:21] <jam> not keep the set relative to P1 *and* the set relative to P2
[08:22] <jam> it is R - (P1 + P2), not (R - P1) + (R - p2)
[08:22] <jam> since both parents are in the stacked-on-location
[08:23] <jam> I can see an argument for doing it the way you said, but that is not how we do it today.
[08:24] <spiv> jam: Hmm, I'm having trouble relating what you just said to what I wrote.  Is this referring to the paragraph beginning "What about revisions at the stacking boundary with more than one parent?"?
[08:24] <jam> yes
[08:25] <jam> let me see if I can quote it
[08:26] <jam> "All of their parent revisions must be present" is not accurate
[08:27] <jam> all of the inventories for their parent revisions
[08:27] <jam> I think the confusion was just "revision" vs "inventory"
[08:28] <jam> we do hold both parent inventories, because it makes it easier to determine the minimum file texts to hold for the child revision.
[08:28] <jam> I don't think it is because you may get a fetch from one vs the other parent, more that it means fewer file texts
[08:28] <spiv> Ah, yes, I think it should say "inventories" rather than "revisions" there.
[08:46] <vila> jam: still ok to pair ?
[08:47] <jam> vila: in just a little bit, yes
[08:47] <jam> mumble?
[08:47] <vila> jam: ok, find me on mumble ... hehe yeah
[08:49] <spiv> Oh good, I think I see a spurious failure that manifested in get_testament_sha1 (due to a LP timeout) that is reported better now that I fixed that code to use add_cleanup
[08:49] <spiv> Nice to see fixes have a visible effect.
[08:50] <spiv> Ok, time to pick up V etc.  Have a good day folks!
[08:53] <fritz[]> hi
[08:53] <fritz[]> poolie, u there?
[08:54] <fritz[]> I've updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/680529?comments=all
[09:00] <jam> fritz[]: poolie is probably done for the day, but you might see him around
[09:01] <fritz[]> :(
[09:01] <fritz[]> can you help?
[09:12] <Riddell> good morning bazaar
[09:19] <vila> Riddell: _o/
[09:22] <jelmer> hi Riddell, vila, jam
[09:22] <jam> morning vila
[09:22] <vila> jelmer: heya
[09:22] <jam> hi Riddell
[09:22] <vila> jelmer: seem my previous comment about imported branches ?
[09:22] <vila> s/seem/seen/
[09:22] <jelmer> vila: yes, thanks :) That should indeed be the result of my work
[09:22] <jam> fritz[]: are you seeing the warning everytime with your patched version of bzr + qbzr, or only with stock bzr or ?
[09:26] <fritz[]> jam: everytime
[09:26] <fritz[]> with stock bzr
[09:26] <fritz[]> qbzr isn't part of bzr?
[09:28] <jelmer> fritz[], no, it's a separate plugin (https://launchpad.net/qbzr) although it's bundled with the windows bzr installer
[10:31] <poolie> hi fritz[], all
[10:35] <poolie> vila, jam, are you going to work on bug 721211? i'd be happy if you did
[10:36] <jam> poolie: we're working on it now. So far it looks like a genuine conflict
[10:36] <vila> poolie: we *are* digging right now
[10:38] <maxb> Urgh, the silly package-import queue from the downtime is going to take all day to clear :-/
[10:39] <bialix> hi, I have question about revision specifiers
[10:39] <poolie> we were talking before about either making it detect lp is down and back off; or asking the losas to turn it off when lp is upgraded
[10:39] <bialix> I want to have `bzr log -r after:$REVISION..-r-1`
[10:39] <poolie> hi bialix, maxb
[10:39] <bialix> hi poolie!
[10:39] <poolie> i should go and cook though
[10:39] <bialix> there is -r before:XXX
[10:40] <bialix> how can I do -r after:?
[10:40] <maxb> The problem with after is which parent do you choose if there are multiple ones?
[10:41] <bialix> left hand parent revision is $REVISION
[10:42] <bialix> so basically I want `bzr log` excluding $REVSION
[10:43] <poolie> night all
[10:45] <jelmer> enjoy your evening poolie
[10:53] <Riddell> bialix: what version of bzr does bzr-explorer depend on?  for https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/bzr-explorer/781204-fix-deprecated-usage/+merge/63398
[10:57] <jam> vila: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/530584
[10:57] <vila> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/364336
[11:05] <bialix> hi Riddell
[11:06] <bialix> Riddell: we don't have a strict policy
[11:06] <bialix> but new release will definitely be targeted to at least 2.3 or 2.4
[11:06] <Riddell> hmm, python programming, I should have known :)
[11:07] <Riddell> bialix: so that change should be ok?
[11:09] <bialix> guys, with bzr 2.3.3 I have C:\work\Bazaar\plugins\scmproj\tests\test_project.py:1077: DeprecationWarning: bzrlib.plugins.scmproj.tests.test_project.TestSub
[11:09] <bialix> projects_v1.failUnlessExists was deprecated in version 2.4.
[11:09] <bialix> why bzr 2.3 told me about Deprecations in 2.4?
[11:09] <Riddell> it's a warning from the future, very sci fi
[11:10] <bialix> spiv around?
[11:12] <spiv> bialix: only slightly
[11:13] <bialix> spiv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/794954
[11:13] <bialix> just yesterday I've upgraded my server
[11:13] <bialix> any thoughts?
[11:13] <bialix> or I should just rollback to older version
[11:14] <spiv> bialix: what does the server's bzr.log say?
[11:14]  * bialix looking
[11:14] <spiv> bialix: there's no obvious unguarded import of pwd in bzrlib, perhaps a plugin added one?
[11:15] <spiv> Unexpected errors from servers log tracebacks to the server's log
[11:15] <spiv> (I suppose you could try bzr serve --no-plugins to confirm)
[11:17] <bialix> spiv: my server usually runs as windows service
[11:17] <bialix> there is nothing in .bzr.log
[11:18] <bialix> spiv: it seems I've hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/660174
[11:18] <spiv> bialix: huh, odd
[11:18] <bialix> spiv: it works ok if I run bzr serve as regular user
[11:18] <bialix> so that's indeed that bug
[11:19] <spiv> That bug does look likely
[11:19] <spiv> Separately it would be good to have 'bzr serve' keep a log file when run as a windows service
[11:20] <spiv> My memories of configuring windows services are a decade old though so I'm not quite sure what that would involve.
[11:20] <spiv> You could explicitly set BZR_LOG in the environment of the service I guess
[11:22] <bialix> not only BZR_LOG but everything else as well, like BZR_EMAIL
[11:24] <bialix> the only problem here is that I have no way to set env variables, and I have to use some batch wrapper
[11:24] <bialix> Riddell: sorry for the delay with review, I should be able to review and land your changes this weekend
[11:25] <vila> ha, was commenting on the bug...
[11:25] <vila> bialix: yup, wrapper sounds the most reliable way to work around the issues there
[11:26] <bialix> vila: but wrappers have their own cons
[11:26] <vila> bialix: try to reach some point where you at least get some feedback about the failures
[11:26] <bigjools> is there any reason why a "bzr pull" would update loads of files and then finish with "bzr: ERROR: [Errno 13] Permission denied" ?
[11:27] <vila> bialix: *then*, once the bugs are identified, we can address them
[11:27] <vila> bialix: does windows logs give you at least some traceback *now* ?
[11:27] <bialix> vila: of course, I just need to write a patch, but not right now
[11:28] <bialix> spiv: thanks for your help, I know what to try next
[11:29] <vila> bialix: no, that's not what I'm saying, I think you'd better write a wrapper to get useful feedback as I suspect there are several cases where the server will fail for different reasons (log and locks being my first suspects)
[11:29] <vila> bialix: so it will probably be easier to work around the issues by setting env variables in a wrapper
[11:29] <vila> bialix: as they may be several ones needed
[11:29] <bialix> or provide fake pwd module
[11:29] <vila> bialix: and then we could work on making the wrapper useless
[11:30] <vila> bialix: I think this one is needed to prompt the user so that won't help
[11:31] <vila> bialix: hmm, may be not, the bug report traceback points to locks indeed to we're trying to get a valid user
[11:32] <vila> s/to/so/ grr
[11:32] <vila> s/indeed to/indeed so/ I meant
[11:34] <bialix> vila: lol: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/660174/comments/9
[11:36] <vila> hehe, did the execption explained "why" in your case ? :D
[11:36] <bialix> rotfl
[11:38] <spiv> bialix: not that I know of, sounds like a bug report including traceback is warranted
[11:39] <bialix> spiv: bug report to python itself?
[11:39] <spiv> bialix: oh, sorry!  I meant bigjools!
[11:40] <spiv> Time to eat dinner.
[11:40] <bigjools> spiv: no traceback :(
[11:40] <bialix> bon appetit
[11:40] <bialix> jam?
[11:40] <vila> bigjools: nothing in .bzr.log either ? At least a path ?
[11:40] <bialix> jam has suggested to set username for SYSTEM user, I don't know how
[11:40] <bigjools> checking
 or provide fake pwd module <- you're already on the wrong codepath by that point
[11:41] <bialix> mgz: yep, I see it now
[11:41] <vila> bigjools: is your .bzr.log owned by you ? Nah, would have failed earlier :-/
[11:41] <bialix> mgz: os.getuid does not exist either
[11:41] <mgz> really, bzr shouldn't be relying on having a user for server-like operations
[11:41] <bialix> mgz: right
[11:42] <bialix> how can I fix that?
[11:42] <vila> bigjools: I vaguely remember bugs related to file/dir owner but... What kind of branch is that ?
[11:42] <bigjools> ah here we go
[11:42] <mgz> but making getuser_unicode return something bogus like "service" for windows when there's no local user might be the easiest workaround
[11:43] <mgz> `if sys.platform == "win32" and not "USER" in os.environ` or something
[11:43] <bigjools> vila: here's the error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/622469/
[11:43] <vila> mgz: in the lock code you mean or in get_user_unicode (hi by the way ;)
[11:43] <mgz> *USERNAME
[11:44] <mgz> I mean osutils.getuser_unicode
[11:44] <vila> bigjools: grr, rename not telling us which one, I hate that
[11:44] <mgz> which is what uses the python getpass module, which is where the issue is.
[11:44] <bigjools> vila: yeah :/
[11:45] <vila> the vagueness clarifies a bit, I'm pretty sure we ran into this recently
[11:45] <vila> mgz: does this ring a bell ?
[11:45] <mgz> seems a little familar...
[11:45] <vila> bigjools: bzr version ? 2.3 ?
[11:46] <bigjools> vila: 2.1.4
[11:46] <vila> ouch
[11:46] <mgz> hm, yeah, probably a fix not backported then
[11:46] <bigjools> it's what's on lucid I guess, this is a machine in the Canonical DC
[11:46] <vila> ha, that's why
[11:46] <vila> crap
[11:47] <bigjools> vila: I'll see about getting it upgraded
[11:47] <bigjools> in the meantime, fingers crossed that most of the files got pulled :)
[11:48] <vila> bigjools: it's a bit hard to predict what can happen there, but if I had local access, I'd try a 'bzr st' and a 'bzr revert'
[11:48] <vila> to at least get some reasonable confidence the tree is in sync with the branch
[11:49] <bigjools> vila: ah yes it says "working tree is out of date"#
[11:49] <bigjools> and just hanging now ...
[11:49] <vila> lp tree ?
[11:49] <bigjools> yeah :)
[11:49] <bigjools> it's returned
[11:50] <vila> bzr revert [--no-backup] (unless you fear there was some uncommitted changes there)
[11:51] <bigjools> they can be blown out anyway
[11:51] <bigjools> ok same error
[11:51] <bigjools> darn
[11:51] <jam> bialix: set an env variable for the system user. I'm not 100% sure how. Though you could set it globally, I guess
[11:52] <vila> two ideas: search for files with "incorrect" owner, inspect .bzr/checkout for left over (pending deletion and limbo)
[11:53] <vila> bigjools: and while the clock is tickiling, consider re-creating the tree from scratch (modulo shared repo etc)
[11:56] <bigjools> ARFH
[11:57] <bigjools> vila: found the problem, files owned by other people.  Thanks for the help.
[11:57] <bigjools> is bzr more helpful with the error in more recent versions?
[11:58] <vila> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/491763
[11:59] <vila> bigjools: it should, this bug is part of 2.2
[11:59] <vila> well, this *fix* is part of :)
[11:59] <bialix> jam: after I finally translate that to Russian I found the way to set System env variable, it was easy actually. I was puzzled by Russian Windows
[11:59] <bialix> I think I need to set BZR_LOG as well there
[12:01] <bigjools> vila: cool :)
[12:56] <maxb> Grr, what?! sysvinit import failed
[12:56] <fullermd> 's why you use bsdinit instead   :p
[12:57] <maxb> wtf, there are sysvinit branches on launchpad
[13:07] <Riddell> https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/bzr-builddeb/changelog-closes-bugs/+merge/63248 is ready to merge in for anyone who has permissions
[13:09] <jelmer> Riddell, more than happy to :)
[13:10] <jelmer> Riddell, I think you should join the team too, though
[13:14] <jelmer> Riddell: done, with minor tweak to mention the bug # in the changelog
[14:04] <Riddell> jelmer: needs james_w to accept me into the team
[14:04] <james_w> Riddell, which team?
[14:04] <james_w> ah
[14:05] <Riddell> ~bzr-builddeb-hackers
[14:05] <james_w> done
[14:05] <Riddell> thanks
[14:10] <maxb> james_w: Can I ask you to rename all the existing ~ubuntu-branches branches at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+branches to something that the importer will not collide with, and requeue --full sysvinit? It's already been tried once today, but it failed - and I think it failed because it got confused by those remnants from the past
[14:12] <james_w> maxb, I have 6 meetings in the next 2 hours, so if someone else can do it it would be quicker
[14:12] <james_w> maxb, I'll certainly get to it after that if no-one else has
[14:13] <maxb> sure, no problem
[14:51] <maxb> Hrm. We are getting new UDD import failures that say "debian woody is marked but not imported"
[14:51] <maxb> Has anyone been deleting woody branches?
[14:52] <james_w> maxb, maybe the ordering change?
[14:52] <james_w> I don't see why though
[14:52] <james_w> I don't think woody branches are on LP are they?
[14:53] <maxb> Hmm
[14:53] <maxb> interesting
[14:54] <james_w> one of the import_package.py functions does a "if it's a debian series that isn't on LP and there are any debian branches at all then we don't have to import it"
[14:54] <james_w> that might be what is breaking
[17:13] <jblue> hey all, i'm curious what others are doing regarding tags and releases.  I'm looking for a way to do a 'bzr export' which also somehow dumps the revision or tag information as part of the export, in order to identify what revision that export came from.  I'm not very fond of having to update a hard-coded revision in the sources or readme docs.. but is this what is generally done?  Any other elegant ways to manage revision information in an export?
[17:39] <gour> jblue: like CVS $id?
[17:39] <jblue> gour: yeah I was thinking of that as well.. it was pretty useful for it's time
[17:40] <gour> frankly speaking, i do not see need for it, but i understand it may be useful for you
[17:41] <jblue> normally I wouldn't do an export, and just create a branch, whould would contain the lastest revision info
[17:42] <jblue> but often times we're deploying to systems which don't have bzr, and making a full branch seems wasteful
[17:42] <jblue> s/whould/which/
[17:46] <gour> what do you mean 'deploying to.." ?
[17:47] <jblue> gour: making a program/application available for use
[17:47] <gour> jblue: hmm..so where would you like to see revision? e.g. in 'about dialog' or so?
[17:49] <jblue> not necessarily, it could simply be dumped into a "VERSION.txt" file or something off the root of the export.. but would be automated when the export is created.  But making it part of the sources via 'CVS $id' type functionality would also be useful, on an export.
[17:50] <gour> jblue: see this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(if it helps)
[17:51] <fullermd> The way I do such a thing is 'make light checkout ; run script to stuck info somewhere ; rm -rf .bzr'
[17:54] <jblue> fullermd: would you be able to post that script somewhere that I can take a look?
[17:56] <fullermd> It's not a specific script, just $DO_WHATEVER.  'bzr revno > foo.txt', or whatever.
[17:56] <jblue> ah ok
[17:58] <jblue> right, I guess I could just roll my own
[17:58] <jblue> echo $(bzr tags -r `bzr revno`) > VERSION.txt
[17:58] <jblue> for example
[17:59] <jblue> was just curious if there was a more common way of doing it
[17:59] <abentley> vila: around?
[18:00] <vila> abentley: I'm EODing at this minute :-/
[18:01] <vila> I may pass around later but probably not for long
[18:01] <abentley> vila: I'll email you.
[18:01] <fullermd> jblue: Frex, in the first place that came to mind, I do some sed'ery to get the revid into a .h file.
[18:03] <fullermd> Just another thing to do as part of the "make tarball" script that already does things like build the docs (hardly anybody will have the necessary toolchain), etc.
[18:04]  * gour is researching about bento
[18:04] <gour> ..as build & packaging tool
[19:19] <maxb> Gah
[19:19] <maxb> I've failed at getting the udd import ordering to do precisely what I want, again
[19:20] <jblue> /win 4
[19:24] <maxb> james_w: Please don't requeue sysvinit after all. I'm going to go and work on take 3 of the import ordering code
[19:24] <james_w> maxb, ok
[21:10] <jblue> is is possible to pull a specific change from one branch into another?
[21:15] <jblue> for example, I have a branch with 5 revisions.  I make another branch off that one, at revision 2, and I want to merge in the changes from revision 4 off the original branch
[21:15] <jblue> without including revision 3 or 5
[21:18] <jblue> think I found it.. --change
[21:50] <maxb> jblue: You can't *pull* in such a scenario, but you can merge. bzr merge -c revspec ../otherbranch
[22:00] <jblue> thanks maxb, also found that I can something like: bzr merge -r 43..44 .. which has the same effect
[22:00] <maxb> Yes, -c X is just shorthand for -r before:X..X
[22:00] <jblue> nice
[22:30] <mhall119> is there a way to pass bzr builddeb a specific gpg key to use for signing?


[13:58] <doko> ScottK, Riddell: please fix the kdepim-runtime b-d's. they apparently need a more restricted version of something. now given back
[14:04] <doko> same for kdepim
[18:32] <Unit193> darkxst: Hello, we don't seem to share any better channel for this, so.  I think there's something lost in communication, it reads like you believe I'm trying to get the changes in, I'm not, they're hacky but they function well enough for what I need.  It's great that you did merge some of them, heck that could even get us cleaner methods. :)
[21:15] <darkxst> Unit193, its ok there is no point diverging the code
[21:18] <Unit193> Only thing to do next is fix the 'goodies' section, it's of course close but not quite right.  Doesn't do the upstream <=> debian comparison.
[21:36] <darkxst> Unit193, the version comparison won't be able to distinguish between what was added as goodies, unless the pkg names are incorrect
[21:36] <Unit193> Sure, that's fine.
[21:37] <darkxst> and its working for your core apps?
[21:38] <Unit193> Yeah.
[21:39] <darkxst> so the entries you put in the packages dict must not be quite right
[21:42] <Unit193> darkxst: PM?
[21:42] <darkxst> ok


But the changes I wanted to commit were done properly, so that's good.  :-)


[09:27] <rmg51> Morning
[10:03] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:03] <JonathanD> No kids this week. Sleepin time.
[10:39] <rmg51> no kids anytime. not enough time to sleep :-/
[10:40] <JonathanD> heh :)
[10:42] <rmg51> breakfast time
[11:47] <Irishmanluke> I downloaded portal 2 yeaterday and I just realized I could be playing it right now on the train
[14:13] <ChinnoDog> I like Portal[12]
[15:07] <ChinnoDog> om nom donut
[15:09] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, both of those things are good and true
[15:10] <JonathanD> jedijf: can you add some details to the SFD wiki page? Or give me an alternate location to link to?
[15:13] <JonathanD> jedijf: I'd like to include a mention in the survey email I'm about to send, but theres no location/time/date on the page.
[15:13] <JonathanD> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2012/USA/PA/Philadelphia/PACS is what I'm looking at.
[15:17] <rmg51> http://pacsnet.org/
[15:18] <rmg51> JonathanD: ^^
[15:18] <JonathanD> good enough, thanks :)
[15:18] <JonathanD> http://openetherpad.org/fossconthanksforcoming full email.
[15:38] <andrew> I love getting invited to a past event
[15:42] <JonathanD> Sorry about that.
[15:42] <ChinnoDog> Get in your time machine andrew
[15:42] <JonathanD> Thats how wepay sends them. I just send in a bug report in hopes that they fix it.
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> My time machine is broken. I need a ride into the past to buy pudding pops when they still tasted good.
[19:39] <pleia2> did they change or you?
[19:44] <ChinnoDog> I am pretty sure they did. When they finally came back into existance a couple years ago they were made by someone else... popsicle? They are not the same though.
[19:44] <pleia2> ah
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> I should just make my own pudding pops. They would taste better and save fuel on the time machine.
[19:50] <jedijf> i want to try the blue bunny red velvet ice cream
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> yum
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> This channel makes me fat
[21:08] <rmg51> jedijf: I'll be around all night tonight and tomorrow


[00:01] <rick_h_> party
[00:16] <snap-l> howdy
[00:20] <rick_h_> we all having fun yet?
[00:42] <snap-l> Totally
[00:43] <snap-l> trying to get tired. :)
[00:51] <greg-g> rick_h_: np (re Chris intro) :)
[11:54] <snap-l> ugh
[12:27] <jrwren> morn
[12:43] <snap-l> Have I mentioned lately that I hate DST?
[12:43] <snap-l> because if not, let me be perfectly clear: I HATE DST!
[12:44] <snap-l> Couldn't get to sleep last night, and on top of it, I think there's some DST-related bug that caused the SB Radio to reboot overnight
[12:44] <snap-l> every single hour
[12:52] <Scott_firebeta> When told the reason for daylight saving time, the Old Indian said, .Only the Government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket..
[13:11] <snap-l> Scott_firebeta: Too true
[13:12] <snap-l> Only a politician can steal an hour and call it a savings. :)
[13:20] <jrwren> snap-l: i read some about thermodynamics to help me sleep :)
[13:25] <snap-l> jrwren: Maybe I should try that next time. ;)
[13:25] <jrwren> but then i found the termodynamics interesting and wanted to keep reading
[13:28] <snap-l> Someone tried to log into my machine as hitler
[13:43] <jrwren> haha, "someone"
[14:05] <snap-l> MUG site was updated with tomorrow's events
[14:05] <snap-l> including squeezebox, voting, and command of the moment.
[14:32] <snap-l> God, almost pulled the trigger to buy a copy of an ebook that I already have.
[14:32] <snap-l> <- idiot
[14:34] <brousch> try reading them instead of just buying them
[14:34] <snap-l> brousch: Pffft
[14:37] <brousch> my ubuntu hat already snagged one person at a random event
[14:37] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome!
[14:54] <jrwren> yar! try reading them instead of just buying them.
[14:54] <jrwren> !!!
[14:57] <brousch> is it talk like a pirate day again?
[14:59] <snap-l> I cant get it to work no matter how many times i email it!
[14:59] <snap-l> I <3 B&N Nook app reviews
[15:00] <snap-l> Boring! The graphics are very pixelie and the game is slow.  Blend of patchouli, ginger, watermelon, frozen musk, water mint, amber, & nutmeg
[16:41] <snap-l> rick_h_: sprinting, eh?
[16:46] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, party time
[16:46] <rick_h_> or at least time to hack, tried to do the talks sans-laptop and take paper notes, so now I get to write more codes yay
[18:15] <brousch> xubuntu lives on the nook color http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-12%2014.18.19.png
[18:19] <brousch> barely. looks like it locked up already
[18:19] <_stink_> hehe
[18:20] <brousch> that's xubuntu 12.04
[18:20] <brousch> but it had some errors installing python-twisted so it might not have totally finished
[18:32] <snap-l> brousch: That's insane
[18:34] <brousch> yeah, slow too
[18:34] <brousch> i can see why canonical wants you to have dual core
[18:34] <snap-l> Yeah, and I'm sure it's murder on the battery.
[18:36] <brousch> i used the big-ass file download version to get that far
[18:37] <brousch> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.ubuntuinstall
[19:55] <jrwren> any vim folks use autochdir and tags?
[19:55] <jrwren> how can i tell vim to search up to root for tag files and merge those?
[20:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: yes
[20:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: set tags=tags;/         " search for tags file in parent directories
[20:45] <jrwren> rick_h_: thanks.
[20:46] <rick_h_> np


[09:44] <guiverc> running a hirsute *live* system, and at shutdown. what package should throw up the "Please remove the installation medium, then press ENTER:"
[09:46] <guiverc> is it "casper"?
 Looks that way, yes
[09:56] <guiverc> thanks @popeydc
 yep
 casper-1.455/bin/casper-stop:    MSG="Please remove the installation medium, then press ENTER: "
 casper-1.455/bin/casper-stop:    MSG_FALLBACK="Please remove the installation medium, then reboot."
[10:20] <guiverc> thanks @RikMills


[06:18] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  and others
[06:26] <Squirm> morning
[06:28] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:30] <Private_User> morning Kilos
[06:30] <Private_User> morning Squirm
[06:30] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[06:33] <Cantide> hi everyone :p
[06:34] <Private_User> hi Cantide
[06:38] <Cantide> ^^/
[06:39] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[06:39] <Cantide> hey Kilos ~
[06:39] <Cantide> how is everyone in SA doing?
[06:40] <Kilos> cold
[06:40] <Kilos> hhe
[06:40] <Cantide> what's the temp?
[06:41] <Cantide> it's spring for me here - a nice 14 C today :)
[06:41] <Kilos> 4c at night
[06:41] <Cantide> eish :D
[06:41] <Kilos> days of 22 or so
[06:41] <Cantide> rather you than me :p
[06:41] <Cantide> ah
[06:41] <Cantide> about 10 C here at night
[06:41] <Cantide> and days of around 20 usually
[06:42] <Cantide> today is a little cooler because it's raining
[06:42] <Cantide> Korean spring is nice :)
[06:42] <Kilos> hehe
[06:42] <Kilos> so are you totally there now
[06:44] <Cantide> do you mean settled?
[06:45] <Kilos> staying where you want to? jobs all sorted and settled in and you know your way around
[06:46] <Cantide> ah yeah
[06:46] <Cantide> i was at that point after 3 months or so
[06:46] <Cantide> got a girlfriend about a month ago
[06:46] <Cantide> so i haven't chatted here much :p
[06:47] <Kilos> lol
[06:48] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu?
[06:57] <Kilos> morning bushtech
[06:58] <bushtech> morning kilos, see my connection dropped 1 this morning...........sigh
[06:58] <Kilos> rev them
[06:58] <Kilos> no other way
[06:59] <Kilos> even if its on your side rev them
[06:59] <Cantide> yeah, 14.04, but an upgrade... nearly time to get a new drive and do a fresh install '-';
[06:59] <Kilos> thats good Cantide
[07:00] <Kilos> most of us are running 14.04 too
[07:00] <Cantide> what are you running?
[07:00] <Kilos> 14.04 kde and unity
[07:00] <Cantide> it's a nice release, i must say
[07:00] <Cantide> best one yet
[07:00] <Kilos> yeah
[07:00] <Kilos> meeting here tomorrow night
[07:00] <Cantide> ah
[07:00] <Cantide> but ...
[07:00] <Cantide> that will be like 2 or 3 am for me
[07:01] <Cantide> so T-T
[07:01] <Cantide> what time is it?
[07:01] <Kilos> 20.30 here
[07:01] <Cantide> yeah... that's 03:30 here
[07:01] <bushtech> 08h30
[07:01] <Cantide> and i get up for work at 05:30 each day
[07:01] <Cantide> so there's no way I can make that :<
[07:02] <Kilos> Cantide  you acting like an old man now
[07:02] <Cantide> haha
[07:02] <Cantide> no really..
[07:02] <Cantide> i only get home in the evening after 22:00
[07:02] <Kilos> sleep early and wake up for the meet
[07:02] <Cantide> so on a good day i can get about 6 to 7 hours sleep
[07:02] <Cantide> most days just 5 hours ,_,
[07:02] <Kilos> wow
[07:03] <Kilos> oh ya 2 jobs hey
[07:04] <Cantide> yeah T-T
[07:04] <Kilos> whats T-T mean
[07:05] <Kilos> bushtech  do you tweet?
[07:06] <Cantide> T-T is a crying face
[07:06] <Kilos> haha
[07:07] <bushtech> nope
[07:07] <Kilos> pity because they have a vodacom link there and if you tweet a complaint they try help you same day
[07:08] <Cantide> vodacom 'o'
[07:08] <bushtech> Thanks, might have a look at it if I don't come right
[07:08] <Kilos> called vodacom111
[07:09] <Kilos> https://twitter.com/Vodacom111
[07:09] <Kilos> thats their vodacom support guy
[07:09] <Kilos> hen he fones the relevant sections to sort your prob
[07:10] <Kilos> then
[07:18] <Cantide> time to go~~
[07:18] <Cantide> 안녕~
[07:44] <Golynx> o/
[08:20] <inetpro> good morning
[08:21]  * inetpro noticed we now have an upcoming utopic unicorn release
[08:21] <Private_User> morning inetpro
[08:21] <inetpro> hi Private_User
[08:23] <Golynx> hi inetpro, Private_User, bushtech, Kilos
[08:24] <inetpro> Hi Golynx
[08:25] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[08:25] <inetpro> Ubuntu 14.10 just got named the Utopic Unicorn
[08:25] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:25] <Kilos> second thoughts hey
[08:26] <inetpro> Something unified and upright, something about which we can be universally proud... chance to make fresh starts and dream unconstrained dreams...
[08:26] <Kilos> when do the new things come into effect?
[08:27] <inetpro> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1363
[08:27] <Kilos> mir and sysd i think its called
[08:27] <inetpro> Kilos: join the vUDS to discuss the future
[08:27] <Kilos> ai!
[08:28] <Kilos> whats vuds
[08:28] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[08:29] <inetpro> Kilos: virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit
[08:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:29] <Kilos> as long as they make a good nm im happy
[08:30]  * Kilos will ride trusty for a few years methinks
[08:36] <Golynx> Mark Shuttleworth wants ubuntu to be lighter and faster from here on. Probably to work well on ubuntu phone
[08:36] <Kilos> whew funny english there in places
[08:44] <Golynx> Maaz coffee aan
[08:44] <Maaz> Golynx: Excuse me?
[08:44] <Golynx> Maaz coffee on
[08:44]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:45] <Golynx> Maaz hurry
[08:45] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Golynx and should never be rushed
[08:47] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[08:47] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:47] <Kilos> hi charl_
[08:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Golynx and Kilos!
[08:48] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias amigo
[08:48] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[08:51] <Golynx> Maaz tx
[08:51] <Maaz> Hmm.. fingers too lazy to type thanks Golynx
[08:51] <Golynx> Maaz ty
[08:51] <Maaz> You are welcome Golynx
[09:15] <charl_> good morning
[09:15] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:15]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:16] <Golynx> hi charl_
[09:17] <charl_> hi Golynx
[09:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:19] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:19] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[09:28] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:29] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:30] <Golynx> hey psyatw
[09:30] <psyatw> hi Golynx
[09:51] <charl_> hi psyatw
[09:51] <charl_> how's it going
[09:52] <psyatw> hi charl_
[09:53] <psyatw> I am doing well, thanks
[09:53] <psyatw> how are you?
[10:12] <charl_> i'm also doing well
[10:12] <charl_> you celebrated king day ?
[11:27] <psyatw> charl_, I didn't, I went to visit some friends this weekend
[11:37] <charl_> very nice
[11:45] <charl_> i am trying "deepin" linux now
[11:45] <charl_> i can't believe how wrong that is
[11:46] <charl_> that reads terrible
[11:53] <charl_> i actually liked the google logo from saturday https://www.google.nl/logos/doodles/2014/kings-day-2014-5153887975636992-hp.jpg
[12:23] <psyatw> haha
[12:24] <psyatw> yes, it looks nice
[12:25] <charl_> just installed datavers
[12:25] <charl_> *dataverse
[12:26] <charl_> on centos 5 :D
[12:32] <psyatw> :D
[12:32] <psyatw> I don't know what it is
[12:45] <charl_> research data publication thing http://thedata.org/
[12:47] <charl_> whow this deepin is supergeil
[12:47] <charl_> a really pimped up version of ubuntu
[12:47] <charl_> i am still struggling to get over the name though
[12:55] <psyatw> haha
[15:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:02] <Kilos> hi smile  nlsthzn
[15:03] <smile> hi :D
[17:29] <Kilos> bushtech  HOW DID YOU FIND US HERE?
[17:29] <Kilos> oops sorry
[17:34] <Kilos> evening superfly  inetpro
[17:34] <Kilos> inetpro  i mailed nuvo but no reply
[17:43] <magespawn> good evening
[17:51] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos meeting tonight?
[17:52] <Kilos> how do you sneak in here and not set off the pling sound
[17:52] <Kilos> tomorrow night magespawn
[17:52] <magespawn> thats me sneaky sneaky
[17:52] <Kilos> tuesdays remember
[17:52] <magespawn> ohh right all the public holidays throwing off my time
[17:53] <Kilos> you havent tried 14.04 yet
[17:53] <Kilos> you a windows man now?
[17:53] <magespawn> i am running one of my laptops as a server with 14.04
[17:53] <Kilos> aha
[17:53] <magespawn> no both Kilos, windows because that is what the end user likes
[17:54] <Kilos> ok you forgiven
[17:54] <Kilos> but not at home
[17:54] <magespawn> no
[17:54] <Kilos> 14.04 is good in unity and kde
[17:54] <magespawn> all linux
[18:26] <inetpro> good evening
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: point noted
[18:55] <Kilos> hahaha inetpro  well done. nuvo will be here
[18:55] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:09] <smile> bye! :)
[19:39] <magespawn> good night all, see you tomorrow


[09:58] <claro> Hi. I cannot install projectM 3 on my ubuntustudio
[09:59] <claro> I have problem with building
[12:16] <mrz80> Going slightly nuts here. Tried 18.04, 16.04, 32 and 64 bit, various kernels.  Jack plus Pulse is a non starter due to jack pulse modules throwing "Unable to use real-time scheduling" errors, and jackd not starting as a result.  Is the only workaround to nuke pulse while running jack? Or is there some deeply buried config knob I can tweak to get 'em playing happily?
[15:00] <OvenWerks> mrz80: you can safley ignore that error message sent by the pulse-jack bridge.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> pulse is not realtime anywayand is well known loose samples here and there.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> however this does not seem to cause problems with the running of jack and jack applications. It does not make xruns for example.
[15:03] <OvenWerks> The one exection to this is if pulse can see any sound card at all it will try to lock to that card and may cause problems.
[15:05] <OvenWerks> I use the latest ubuntustudio-contrls package (available for 18.04 and up) but the main thing is it unloads the alsa and udev modules from pulse.
[15:07] <OvenWerks> for 18.04 you need to get -controls from: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild
[15:07] <mrz80> I'll take a poke at that shortly, as it's coming up on lunchtime here . Thanks!
[15:08] <OvenWerks> mrz80: The real problem is that the jack source/sink modules for pulse need some love
[15:08] <mrz80> *nod* 's what I figured. Alas, I'm not one to do so, given last actual programming I did was Z80 assembly code for a modem driver 30 years ago :D
[15:09] <OvenWerks> sounds like a great start :)
[15:11] <mrz80> I'm having the time of my life with this whole music workstation thing, arranging a TSO-esque carol mashup for our church Christmas dinner. Last time I did something like this I was using scissors, staff paper and scotch tape. Rosegarden is a significant step forward, in my estimation.
[15:12] <OvenWerks> Rose garden is a great program... though not so easy to use for someone who doesn't read music.
[15:12]  * OvenWerks has been playing sinse 1970 but still can't due to dyslexia
[15:13] <OvenWerks> (can't read music)
[15:14] <OvenWerks> you're blessed to be able to do that
[15:14] <mrz80> Somewhere in my misspent youth I spent a couple of years sawing away on a violin before I discovered guitars, so I did manage to pick up some music-reading skills.
[15:15] <mrz80> Not enough to keep me from getting fearfully lost my first pass through trying to sightread the tenor part on the Hallelujah Chorus on SATB+PIano sheet music. The group was on page 5 and I though we were still back o npage 2 :D
[15:15] <OvenWerks> :)
[15:16] <OvenWerks> been there...
[15:16] <OvenWerks> (even with a chord chart)
[15:17] <OvenWerks> unfortunately... the first pass is often live.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> as a bass player I can generally follow either a guitar player or the keyboard left hand (whoever's leading)
[15:19] <mrz80> *nod*  I've done that a time or three ;)
[15:31] <mrz80> This is so. WEIRD. I'm still getting the can't do real-time errors in syslog, but I'm seeing connections on the connections window. Pulse is still spitting out sound. I can load a synth and a keyboard up, connect 'em on the connections screen, and get the synth to play. SO, success all around.  WEIRD part is, a ps -ax does NOT show a running instance of jackd. Whazzup with THAT? :D
[15:34] <OvenWerks> look for jackdbus
[15:34] <mrz80> jackdbus is there.
[15:34]  * OvenWerks just sent son off to school
[15:36] <OvenWerks> jackdbus is jack with jackdbus remote control
[15:36] <mrz80> Ah, ok.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> s/jackdbus/dbus/
[15:37] <mrz80> Thanks a bunch for the pointer to those software updates. It's great to be able to hear what I'm scoring!
[15:37] <OvenWerks> no problem
[15:37] <OvenWerks> linux audio is still often about a clear as mud
[15:38] <OvenWerks> only a very small part of the linux community actually needs lowlatency audio
[15:42] <mrz80> And from what I've read, a lot of the folks who do go in for low latency audio and lots of studio/audio/midi apps tend to be the hard core pro types who're willing to purge pulse completely to avoid the interaction issues. I'm not quite in the position to completely dedicate this box, and I ocassionally need to play youtube vids, mp3s and suchnot.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> setting up pulse so that the only "device" it sees is jack, pretty much fixes things. It is also possible to unload the jack-pulse bridge on the fly for really low latency use.
[15:44] <OvenWerks> there are some pulse only apps, like skype, that don't work at all if jack's latency is too low.
[15:44] <OvenWerks> a rewrite of the pulse-jack bridge would fix that too.
[15:44] <mrz80> Now to fix the situation on my big desktop at home. It's a drag editing sheet music on a chromebook's little screen :D
[15:45] <OvenWerks> I can imagine, though my desktop monitors are not particularlly high rez.
[15:46] <OvenWerks> I have two 1600x900 displays.
[15:46] <mrz80> I've got a 1920x1200 24" screen, and I'm shopping for a couple used 1600x1200 to go on the sides to duplicate my work setup at home. Then I'll be able to REALLY spread out.
[15:47] <OvenWerks> running mixbus32c is a bit hard, 900 pixels is not really enough
[15:48] <mrz80> Can you rotate your monitor(s) 90deg?  Several of the coder-types here have 3 or even 4 16x9 screens up on edge
[15:49] <OvenWerks> The stands can't rotate on these... they are $88 specials.
[15:51] <OvenWerks> One day, I will get a high rez to go on top (or bottom) but I need to get my youngest son a new computer first. He is really getting into graphics and the 10 yearold laptop he has is not really up to what he needs. So he is first.
[16:11] <mrz80> Need. More. Plugins. :D
[16:12] <OvenWerks> always


[04:19] <daddysmurf> is it still possible to run jack with pulse?
[20:26] <johan\lin> hey, anyone running here ubuntustudio on ppc?
[20:26] <johan\lin> +running


[05:29] <ESphynx> hmm, why does apt-get install sometimes becomes completely useless and it's in a messed up state that some unrelated packages have unmet dependencies?
[05:30] <ESphynx> (and is there any way to work around that?)
[18:25] <cjwatson> ESphynx: Probably because you're using -proposed in your sources.list.  Don't.  The purpose of staging things in -proposed is to protect you from this.
[18:42] <sney> +1


[05:10] <Kilos> morning guys +
[05:13] <Kilos> hey magespawn_
[05:20] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:24] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:27] <barrydk> Hoe gaan dit daar Kilos
[05:27] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy barrydk ?
[05:51] <barrydk> Sorry Kilos had to run. Yea no complaints
[05:51] <Kilos> np
[06:15] <superfly> morning Kilos, barrydk
[06:15] <Kilos> hi superfly digigram
[06:16] <digigram> hi Kilos
[06:37] <superfly> hi digigram
[06:38] <digigram> hey superfly
[06:38] <superfly> so, anyone else interested in joining Ubuntu-MX and Ubuntu-CO with LocoGames?
[06:38] <superfly> they're starting at 17:00 on the 9th of Feb
[06:41] <barrydk> Morning superfly
[06:41] <barrydk> Is this online gaming?
[06:42] <superfly> yup
[06:42] <barrydk> Wish i also had cheap data
[06:48] <superfly> Apparently I can get 40Mbps in my area, when Telkom launches it in MArch
[06:49] <theblazehen> superfly:  Thats really nice. also hi
[06:49] <barrydk> Talk about something else youre making me grumpy nou.
[06:49] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[06:49] <magespawn_> mornign all
[06:50] <theblazehen> barrydk: how much do you get ?
[06:50] <barrydk> Morning morning
[06:50] <magespawn> morning all
[06:50] <theblazehen> hi all
[06:50] <superfly> barrydk: I can't afford it now, but maybe in a year I'll upgrade
[06:50] <superfly> heya magespawn!
[06:50] <magespawn> thats fast superfly
[06:51] <magespawn> on my exchange they do not support the 10Mbps yet
[06:51] <superfly> I have 10Mbps (supposedly)
[06:52] <barrydk> I pay 540 for 1Gb. It is the best in my area, no telkom and Mtn is only edge,
[06:52] <magespawn> yeah love the way they do that
[06:52] <theblazehen> that sucks
[06:55] <magespawn> that is hectic barrydk
[06:56] <magespawn> barrydk: where are you?
[06:57] <magespawn> superfly what games are they running at LocoGames?
[06:57] <jrgns> morning all
[06:57] <superfly> magespawn: AssaultCube, UrbanTerror and Battle for Wesnoth
[06:58] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[06:58] <superfly> AssaultCube and UrbanTerror are Counter Strike alternatives
[06:58] <magespawn> have not tried the first two but i do play the last one
[06:59] <magespawn> where can we get more info?
[06:59] <superfly> http://viajemotu.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/ubuntu-loco-games-2013-1/
[06:59] <barrydk> magespawn, i am just outside Cullinan on a farm.
[07:00] <magespawn> middle of no where
[07:01] <barrydk> no man 50 k from Pretoria
[07:02] <magespawn> that for telkom qualifies as the middle of no where
[07:02] <Kilos> haha
[07:02] <barrydk> yup
[07:06] <superfly> Muizenberg in Cape Town qualifies as the middle of nowhere for Telkom, so barrydk is indeed worse off than most of us
[07:06] <digigram> mmm I know
[07:07] <digigram> I'm in Muizenberg
[07:07] <digigram> and my house is in Parys... ffs, 120km from Jhb and 300km from Bloem
[07:07] <digigram> atleast we are 4mbps capable
[07:08] <digigram> better than the EDGE I use down here
[07:08] <superfly> digigram: where in Muizenberg?
[07:08] <digigram> Marina da Gama
[07:08] <superfly> ah, yes
[07:08] <digigram> wish iburst had reception here
[07:09] <superfly> digigram: I know a guy who live(s/d) in Capricorn Beach who used iBurst
[07:09] <digigram> lucky him
[07:09] <superfly> digigram: what does telkom say when you ask for ADSL?
[07:09] <digigram> lol
[07:10] <digigram> I don't live here permanently superfly, so getting ADSL will be a waste
[07:10] <superfly> ah, right
[07:10] <superfly> digigram: studying?
[07:10] <digigram> I have ADSL at home for the wife, but I travel for work, living a week or two each 2 months in Muizenberg
[07:10] <superfly> ah
[07:11] <digigram> iBurst does not pick up anything where I live, so now I waste 20gigs per month on that lol
[07:11] <superfly> heh.
[07:11] <superfly> have you tried Vodacom? I was getting 3.6Mbps on 3G when I used Vodacom
[07:12] <digigram> I'm using Cell C for the price...
[07:12] <digigram> as I don't want a contract
[07:12] <digigram> later today I'll be in Mosselbaai for 3 weeks, and there we have ADSL
[07:12] <digigram> then I'll be in the states for 2 months
[07:12] <superfly> wow, you get around, don't you? :-)
[07:12] <digigram> then offshore for a month
[07:12] <digigram> so a contract is just a waste
[07:14] <magespawn> anybody have experince with backtrack 5?
[07:14] <superfly> magespawn: nope
[07:14] <superfly> digigram: what work do you do that takes you around so much?
[07:15] <digigram> I opened it magespawn, then decided I don't really need it, and dd'd the flash
[07:15] <digigram> so that counts as a no
[07:15] <digigram> superfly: drilling fluids engineer for oil rigs
[07:15] <magespawn> digigram: sounds like fun
[07:16] <superfly> digigram: so what brings you to muizenberg?
[07:16] <digigram> I'll tell you when my training is done lol
[07:16] <digigram> our Sub Sahara office is in Westlake superfly
[07:16] <magespawn> backtack is ubuntu based with a couple of quirks and loads of extra software
[07:16] <superfly> ah
[07:17] <digigram> yeah I know, I have used BT4 a bit magespawn
[07:17] <digigram> looks really nice
[07:17] <digigram> is very good if you are going to use it
[07:18] <digigram> bit for my purposes its not suited, so I did the linux thing and downloaded another distro :)...
[07:18] <magespawn> it does make life interesting when you configure everything
[07:18]  * digigram loves choices
[07:19]  * magespawn is running it on an old spare laptop
[07:20] <digigram> is all 8gig flash drives the same size? I reckon there might be a few kilobytes differences right?
[07:23] <magespawn> there might also be applications on some
[07:23] <digigram> and if you dd it?
[07:24] <digigram> I'm running my MINT from a flash drive, and it works great. I make weekly backups of the drive using dd, since liveUSB has a tendency to fail sometimes with me
[07:24] <magespawn> no idea never tried that
[07:24] <digigram> now I'm just wondering what will happen if I try to dd that image to a new flash
[07:25] <digigram> want to get one of those kingston tiny drives that will not try to bend everytime the laptop isn't perfectly level
[07:26] <superfly> Flash drives have a finite lifespan
[07:27] <digigram> yeah I know, so I'd rather have an option to replace it when I reach that
[07:27] <digigram> luckily they aren't as expensive these days
[07:30] <nuvolari> lol
[07:30] <nuvolari> mornings
[07:30] <nuvolari> more oom Kilos
[07:30] <nuvolari> nope, I was not washed away
[07:30] <digigram> wanted to boot of microSD, but laptop does not support it with the internal card reader...
[07:30] <nuvolari> morning everyone
[07:30] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[07:30] <henkj> morning
[07:31] <magespawn> is Kilos asleep or chasing sheep?
[07:31] <magespawn> hey henkj
[07:31] <Kilos> hmm
[07:32] <Kilos> have done and watching the chats about gaming and connection speeds etc
[07:32] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:34] <digigram> does anybody have a kingston tiny thumb drive or patriot flex in 8GB size? would like to know how many bytes it takes
[07:34] <magespawn> hold a sec
[07:35] <theblazehen> won't iit be fine if the last few blocks dont make it ?
[07:35] <digigram> I'm not sure theblazehen
[07:35] <magespawn> one way to find out
[07:35] <digigram> yeah lol
[07:36] <magespawn> no only have a 4gb kingston traveler
[07:36] <digigram> maybe I should try tonight to forcefully skip the last few blocks
[07:36] <digigram> to see if it works
[07:36] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:37] <digigram> or maybe next week, can't really dd to the USB I'm running my OS from lol
[07:37] <Trixar_za> All the patriot drives I got ended up being corrupted
[07:37] <Trixar_za> so I don't trust them
[07:37] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:37] <digigram> Id prefer something else as well
[07:37] <digigram> but corrupt is better than bent, corrupt I can just get my backup and dd that on
[07:38] <Trixar_za> Also depending on the Linux distro, 4GB can be more than enough space
[07:38] <Trixar_za> Won't recommend it for Ubuntu though, unless you start off with Ubuntu mini
[07:38] <digigram> I'm using Mint, 4GB is enough, but you run out very quickly
[07:39] <digigram> Its okay for if you just do stuff quickly, but not as a primary
[07:39]  * digigram should go finish the dishes before the airport transfer arrives
[07:40] <mazal> For the clever guys that might be able to help me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/240324/ive-disabled-periodic-checks-for-updates-why-does-it-still-do-so
[07:42] <Kilos> hi mazal there one more place where it says notify of updates
[07:42] <Kilos> in update manager
[07:42] <Kilos> you tell it never to check and also untick the notify one
[07:43] <mazal> My update manager is already set to "never check"
[07:44] <Kilos> check for that other block as well
[07:45] <Kilos> in updates untick the other blocks
[07:45] <mazal> Where ?
[07:45] <Kilos> update manager
[07:45] <mazal> The notify ones ?
[07:46] <Kilos> ya
[07:46] <mazal> That just tells you if there are , doesn't set the checking
[07:46] <mazal> Unless it's a bug
[07:46] <Kilos> oh i thought its that notification you dont want
[07:47] <mazal> I don't want it to check at all
[07:47] <Kilos> then untick everything
[07:47] <mazal> It's been working fine for about 6 months on that install
[07:47] <mazal> Only started ignoring that setting about a week ago or so
[07:47] <Kilos> oh
[07:48] <mazal> I wonder if software wise something updated and now there is a bug
[07:48] <mazal> Maybe update manager updated a week or so ago
[07:48] <superfly> mazal: not a clue
[07:48] <mazal> Can't remember , when there are plenty of updates I never bother to check what is being updated
[07:49] <digigram> maybe they tried what Windows did a while ago. They overrode the "do not install security updates" option a couple of years ago
[07:49] <digigram> in one nonsuspicious update
[07:50] <mazal> But then surely more people should have this problem
[07:50] <mazal> But then again , almost everyone works with the setting to check automatically on so will not notice this problem
[07:53]  * digigram really needs ons of those portable bag scales
[07:56] <Trixar_za> Considering the route Ubuntu is going, I wouldn't put that past them
[07:56] <digigram> I know Trixar_za otherwise I wouldn't even try to joke and compare them to MS hehe
[08:03] <magespawn> digigram: a hanging fishing scale works nicely
[08:03] <digigram> yeah thats what I had in mind
[08:03] <digigram> will get a 40kg one
[08:16] <N8Wulf> good morning all
[08:16] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf
[08:16] <N8Wulf> how you all? Week long so far for you too?
[08:17] <Kilos> lol its monday
[08:17] <N8Wulf> shhhhh...
[08:18] <N8Wulf> i really dont feel like working yet. think i need to get back to some fishing
[08:18] <Kilos> haha
[08:18] <Kilos> where yo go fishing?
[08:19] <N8Wulf> did a bit of river fishing here in sasolburg, next to the Vaal. I'm busy planning a Vaaldam trip for next weekend or maybe month end
[08:20] <Kilos> nice
[08:21] <Kilos> you need to work so you can rest after hard weekends
[08:21] <N8Wulf> got some nice fishing tips from a house maintenance guy last week who belongs to a club... applied and finally caught a Carp of 2Kg, first one in about 30 years worth enmntioning
[08:21] <N8Wulf> *mentioning
[08:21] <N8Wulf> so yeahhh! quite eager now
[08:24] <barrydk> What is going on this morning?  why does everyone talk about the things i love to do but can't. If it's not online gaming its fishing
[08:24] <digigram> lol barrydk
[08:24] <Kilos> N8Wulf, like this? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/img20121231wa0008.jpg/
[08:24] <digigram> well, bye everyone, let me go check out the 37 seater jet they want me to fly on....
[08:24] <Kilos> lol @ barrydk
[08:24]  * digigram shakes his head in disbelief
[08:25] <N8Wulf> barrydk: maybe b'cause we all would rather still be in the holidays instead of at work
[08:26] <barrydk> What holdays, i only went on the garden route during Christmas week, you know the one around the house
[08:27] <Kilos> sorry pc rebooted
[08:27] <Kilos> sigh
[08:27] <N8Wulf> i did the garden route as well... luckily i stay in Sasolburg, so the river is about 5km from my house
[08:27] <Kilos> nice
[08:28] <N8Wulf> Kilos: I wish... mine was about a 1/4 of that monster
[08:28] <N8Wulf> I took a photo with my Cellphone as well, but I made sure the camera is real close so the fish looks big
[08:28] <Kilos> when you get the urge and have lotsa petrol money go fishing in Bloemhof dam
[08:28] <Kilos> lol
[08:29] <Kilos> massive barble there too
[08:29] <barrydk> I use to do a lot of fishing in the vaa river and dam. I lived in Vereeniging and Meyerton in my schooldays.
[08:29] <Kilos> ah
[08:29] <N8Wulf> got Bloemhof planned maybe for last week in February yes, and then from there I'm off to Scottsburg for 10 days
[08:29] <barrydk>  Don't talk bout Bloemhof very good fishing spot
[08:31] <N8Wulf> I DL'd Netrunner, just gonna give it a quick Live preview, BBL
[08:34] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[08:34] <inetpro> elo kios
[08:34] <Kilos> hehe
[09:08] <magespawn> gotta love eskom
[09:25] <Kilos> what now magespawn
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <N8Wulf> Hmmmm... guess what I'm up to
[09:50] <Kilos> tell
[09:51] <N8Wulf> I like the Netrunner Flavour... never been a big fan of KDE, this one has me Backing up for a fullOn change over though
[09:55] <N8Wulf> quick Q: anybody know of any utils that can make a list of  "My Installed Apps" ?
[09:55] <Kilos> lol you might wait for a quick A:
[09:55] <Kilos> just be patient
[09:55] <mazal> In KDE ?
[09:56] <mazal> Or Unity ?
[09:56] <N8Wulf> One thing I'd like Canonical to add to the Software Centre... Login with your Ubuntu Forums Account into Software centre and it will update what you are using... similar to the Android Play Store
[09:56] <N8Wulf> I'm on Unity/Gnome now
[09:57] <mazal> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1861624
[09:57] <N8Wulf> I've got 200Gb to backup to make a fresh start again for 2013
[09:58] <N8Wulf> so I'll be here for another hour or so
[09:58] <mazal> Try that in that forum post N8Wulf
[09:58] <mazal> Should give you a list
[09:58] <N8Wulf> TY mazal
[09:59] <mazal> Never used it myself yet , hope it helps ;)
[10:00] <N8Wulf> Ahhhh.... Linux is sooo cool, as always. Always a way to skin the Cat. Ubuntu's Logo should be changed to a Devon Rex I think
[10:01] <N8Wulf> or maybe swap the Penguin for a Devon Rex
[10:01] <mazal> I have no idea what a Devon Rex is :P
[10:03] <mazal> There's another way with synaptic as well , but can't remember it now
[10:03] <N8Wulf> mazal.. those cat's with the really short hair, they almost look and feel like they are Hairless
[10:04] <N8Wulf> ... been skinned too many times
[10:04] <N8Wulf> :p
[10:05] <mazal> Ah ok
[10:06] <mazal> Here's another one , but don't know how well it works , never used this: Synaptec Package Manager - file - Generate package download script
[10:06] <mazal> BUT , I think that will only be from Ubuntu to another Ubuntu
[10:06] <mazal> Don't think that should be considered for Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[10:06] <magespawn> Kilos going off and on today Kilos
[10:07] <Kilos> me?
[10:07] <Kilos> i dont see it
[10:11] <magespawn> no me
[10:12] <magespawn> sorry that was meant to be "Power going of and on today Kilos"
[10:19] <N8Wulf> mmmm.... Vetkoek en Chilli Mince for lunch
[10:41] <inetpro> N8Wulf: dpkg --get-selections
[10:42] <Kilos> aw magespawn that sucks
[10:44] <inetpro> N8Wulf: or dpkg -l
[10:45] <mazal> inetpro, only one problem I have with all those methods
[10:46] <inetpro> mazal: what problem?
[10:46] <mazal> It sounded like N8Wulf wants it because of moving to Kubuntu ( I might be wrong)
[10:46] <mazal> Then most on that list should not b installed again as it is default ubuntu apps
[10:47] <mazal> I wonder if there is a way to see non-default apps. IE apps that the user added
[10:48] <inetpro> well I just answered the question 14/01 11:55:02 <N8Wulf> quick Q: anybody know of any utils that can make a list of  "My Installed Apps" ?
[10:48] <N8Wulf> @mazal... now you are talking. I followed your last suggestion and as said it creates a COMPLETE package list
[10:48]  * inetpro didn't read everything that was said
[10:48] <mazal> N8Wulf, I thought as much :P
[10:49] <mazal> I unfortunately don't know how to get just user installed apps list
[10:49] <inetpro> there's no difference
[10:50] <mazal> inetpro, meaning ?
[10:50] <inetpro> at least, not that I am aware of
[10:50] <inetpro> it's all user installed
[10:50] <mazal> Isn't all the default ubuntu apps also on that list inetpro ?
[10:50] <N8Wulf> including dependancies then I suppose
[10:51] <inetpro> all installed by the admin user
[10:51] <mazal> Like for example brasero etc
[10:52] <mazal> Indeed it does , just checked
[10:52] <mazal> So one won't be able to use that when moving to kubuntu
[10:52] <N8Wulf> I read about a FUI App long time ago that will list and then enable you to install the same Selection on a number of Workstations among others
[10:53] <N8Wulf> *GUI
[10:53] <N8Wulf> (eating and typing cause Typos)
[10:53] <mazal> hmm , this is an interesting thing. I would like to find an app that shows only user installed
[10:54] <N8Wulf> I had a Ref to it on my Delicious bookmarks, but my account died somehow and with it all my bookmarks
[10:54] <mazal> I myself keep and updated build document where I manually add and update it myself , but would like to find an app for it
[10:57] <mazal> N8Wulf, you know you could only add kubuntu-desktop to your current install ne ?
[10:57] <mazal> Or you don't want it that way ?
[10:58] <N8Wulf> feeling like a fresh start... and I like to test different Flavs so i can recommend based on experience
[10:58] <mazal> k
[10:59] <mazal> I almooooooost wanted to check out the new Kubuntu last week
[10:59] <mazal> Fortunately the feeling went over hehehehe
[11:00] <superfly> mazal: so you went back to complaining about Unity, GTK3 and Gnome Shell?
[11:00] <N8Wulf> sies man
[11:00] <N8Wulf> lol
[11:00] <mazal> When did I complain superfly ?
[11:00] <mazal> Only remember my updates not working thing
[11:01] <N8Wulf> I see the Steam for Linux catalogue is growing steadily
[11:02] <N8Wulf> 42 Games so far
[11:04] <mazal> N8Wulf, I didn't have the strength for all the apt-get's , otherwise I would have
[11:05] <N8Wulf> and that's why I prefer to start with a Flavour somebody else already tweaked. did you have a look at the Netrunner screenshots?
[11:06] <mazal> My problem is , there is so many extra apps I add that I need , sjoe , takes a lot of time and data to get everything installed
[11:07] <mazal> And I am happy with ubuntu as it is now (12.04 )
[11:07] <mazal> I like Unity and mis the dash when working on an OS that doesn't have that quick searching
[11:08] <N8Wulf> I've got a Apt-Cache here on my network, so I don't download as much the second time around
[11:09] <mazal> I backup mine as well
[11:09] <mazal> But have been told that it will work only for the same version ubuntu
[11:09] <mazal> For example if I install Kubuntu , or ubuntu 12.10 , then those debs wont work
[11:10] <N8Wulf> funny how we got used to everything Unity brought and taught us. I also cant wait to move over or add Ubuntu to my Android phone
[11:15] <mazal> When it started I was one of the haters. Spent some time with K and X ubuntus. Then with 12.04 decided to give Unity a go again. Now I like it
[11:20] <N8Wulf> any of you guys using the Cairo Dock?
[11:22] <N8Wulf> I've been using AWN and Docky forever, curious though about the ratings you would give to each?
[11:26] <N8Wulf> I'm going home... Speak you again soon, thanx for the recommendations
[12:44] <mazal> Have a good evening everyone
[13:43] <magespawn> superfly: have you heard of/used scapy?
[14:18] <superfly> magespawn: you mean scipy?
[14:31] <Kilos> hey guys is it possible to block a number from sms you on a nokia 6111
[14:31] <Kilos> sis being bugged
[14:31] <magespawn> no scapy
[14:31] <magespawn> a network scanner etc written in python
[14:32]  * magespawn goes to google scipy
[14:32] <magespawn> not sure Kilos
[14:32] <Kilos> imo i think you cant block smses
[14:33] <magespawn> i think you can block the number though
[14:33] <magespawn> sales or other stuff?
[14:33] <tumbleweed> Kilos: if you file a police complaint, the provider can block it
[14:33] <Kilos> ya from calling but not smses
[14:33] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed thats a bit too harsh here
[14:34] <Kilos> its her sons satan spawned wife giving hassles
[14:34] <tumbleweed> hah
[14:35] <magespawn> put that number in its own caller group then set the message tone to muted
[14:35] <magespawn> you could also group delete the sms so you do not have to read them
[14:36] <Kilos> eek how you do that magespawn
[14:36] <magespawn> will have to look it up, have never used the 6111
[14:36] <magespawn> let me check
[14:37] <Kilos> she says she knows how
[14:37] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[14:37] <Kilos> shes read something about grouping numbers
[14:39] <Kilos> pity we cant reply with a virus that will kill that cell
[14:42] <magespawn> what phone is the spawn of satan using?
[14:42] <Kilos> we dunno
[14:44] <Kilos> she says her fone is too old can only block all incoming or all outgoing calls but nothing about smses
[15:01] <magespawn> see you all later
[15:13] <Kilos> funny how some peeps are never satisfied unless they causing trouble
[16:17] <Kilos> lo Cantide
[16:19] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:21] <Kilos> so N8Wulf hows kde doing?
[16:21] <N8Wulf> Eish
[16:21] <Kilos> aw what?
[16:22] <N8Wulf> Die ding is Mooi, maar die ding is gemaak vir die Parlez s'il vous plaît français
[16:22] <Cantide> o_o
[16:23] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <Kilos> didnt you install in english?
[16:24] <Cantide> lol
[16:24] <N8Wulf> So far so good... The Team behind Netrunner really had their own ideas on doing everything. Even renaming Common Options like Desktop Options to "Folder View Settings"
[16:26] <N8Wulf> English yes... but the only guy online for support on IRC thought I'm Hardegat toe ek met hom Afrikaans wou praat omdat hy nie Engels wil praat nie
[16:26] <N8Wulf> brb
[16:26] <Kilos> oh you playing with a game not kde
[16:26] <magespawn> Howdy all
[16:26] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[16:26] <magespawn> What up?
[16:27] <Kilos> ive realised if one wants help you have to be very gentlemanly even if the helper treats you a bit rough
[16:27] <Kilos> N8Wulf, struggling some magespawn
[16:28] <magespawn> N8Wulf what is Netrunner?
[16:28] <Kilos> i thought he was gonna install kubuntu but he is sukkeling with a game
[16:28] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netrunner
[16:30] <Kilos> aw you on fone magespawn ?
[16:31] <magespawn> CTCG I play magic: the gathering but not on pc
[16:31] <Kilos> you need a buntu pc at home
[16:31] <magespawn> Yup
[16:31] <magespawn> Moeg to get laptop out only just got home
[16:31] <Kilos> ah sorry
[16:32] <magespawn> No worries
[16:36] <magespawn> Looks liks WoTC are not making it anymore
[16:37] <superfly> WoTC?
[16:37] <magespawn> Wizards of the Coast
[16:38] <magespawn> Company does a lot of fantasy gaming and trading cards etc
[16:39] <magespawn> I used to play Magic:The Gathering a lot
[16:40] <nlsthzn> MTG rocks
[16:40] <magespawn> Indeed not much of a scene in Hluhluwe though
[16:41] <nlsthzn> 0 in the UAE... which sucks
[16:41] <nlsthzn> short drive over to Qatar and they have a thriving community... go figure
[16:42] <N8Wulf> Netrunner-os
[16:42] <magespawn> One of those curve balls life likes to through us
[16:42] <N8Wulf> www.netrunner-os.com
[16:42] <Kilos> throw
[16:42] <magespawn> The link Kilos gave was to the game loll
[16:42] <nlsthzn> netrunner has the same backers as Kubuntu
[16:43]  * nlsthzn is just saying
[16:43] <nlsthzn> and with that I go for a baff and a bet
[16:44] <Kilos> hehe looks good N8Wulf but if the support sucks then what
[16:45] <Kilos> hiya byya nlsthzn
[16:45] <Kilos> come back clean
[16:49] <magespawn> Any major differences between netrunner-os and the others?
[16:49] <Kilos> yeah the peeps you get help from
[16:50] <magespawn> Hah lol
[16:50] <Kilos> hehe
[16:51] <Kilos> the thing to do is get the fly to install it then you get good help
[16:51] <Kilos> yo aquarat
[16:51] <aquarat> hey kilos
[16:52] <magespawn> superfly batter up
[16:56] <magespawn> Anyway I am off, dinner and family
[16:56] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:21] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey theblazehen
[17:22] <theblazehen> hi kilos
[17:24] <roryy> ello all
[17:24] <Kilos> hey roryy
[17:24] <kbmonkey> hello hello!
[17:24] <roryy> about a week ago i said I was going to ask the HP shop in sandton if I could try out Ubuntu before buying
[17:24] <Kilos> yes?
[17:24] <roryy> the staff were very helpful and let me do so - unfortunately it didn't work
[17:25] <Kilos> aw
[17:25] <roryy> yeah, bit annoying
[17:25] <Kilos> what didnt work?
[17:25] <roryy> it seemed to get through the secure boot OK, then gave a kernel fault
[17:25] <kbmonkey> that was kind of them to at least try :)
[17:25] <roryy> yeah, the sales dude was interested
[17:25] <roryy> let him have the copy of ubuntu 12.10
[17:26] <Kilos> roryy, if you look back in our mailing lists there were some lappys that could be bought with ubuntu on
[17:26] <kbmonkey> a kernel fault is a pretty serious showstopper
[17:26] <kbmonkey> wonder what could have cause it
[17:27] <roryy> Kilos: ok.  are there archives on-line?  I'm about to compare the list of "certified" laptops on canonical's site with what's available at laptopdirect
[17:27] <roryy> my current laptop is dying - screen switches off if I open it too far.
[17:27] <Kilos> whew youll have to maybe ask in the list , someone gave the links
[17:27] <Kilos> aw that yuck
[17:28] <Kilos> inetpro, where can one see archives of our list?
[17:30] <Kilos> superfly, bloody hot there tomorrow
[17:30] <Kilos> bloedig warm
[17:30] <Kilos> hmm 31°c
[17:30] <Kilos> not too bad
[17:31] <Kilos> roryy, thats most likely them cable connectors
[17:31] <Kilos> maybe you can get them
[17:32] <Kilos> but lappy's are terrible things to pull apart
[17:32] <kbmonkey> roryy, there are archives of mailing lists online
[17:32] <kbmonkey> but there is no search function, so finding the info you want on there is tricky
[17:32] <roryy> Kilos: it's oldish anyway - usb ports are flaky, hard drive is getting full, etc.
[17:32] <Kilos> ai
[17:32] <roryy> Kilos: it's put in yeoman service, but it's time for it to retire
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> how old is it
[17:33] <roryy> um
[17:33] <roryy> 5 years i think
[17:33] <Kilos> there is still lotsa years in it
[17:34] <Kilos> like mage runs one without a harddrive from usb
[17:34] <Kilos> hehe
[17:34] <Kilos> there must be replacement connectors available
[17:35] <Kilos> unles they are soldered into the mb then you are lost
[17:35] <Kilos> unless
[17:37] <roryy> i guess
[17:37] <roryy> i haven't soldered anything in 10 years
[17:38] <Kilos> hehe you a ballie hey
[17:38] <roryy> urban dictionary says you're implying i'm old by that remark
[17:38] <roryy> :-p
[17:38] <Kilos> im still trying to solder a sata cable to a busted 500g drive
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Kilos> actually trying to build up the courage to do it
[17:39] <Kilos> kbmonkey, hows things with you laddy
[17:40] <kbmonkey> fine oom Kilos
[17:40] <Kilos> tumbleweed, is gonna help us with the greeter script
[17:40] <kbmonkey> ok :)
[17:40] <Kilos> but you wrong i can boot inna morn and she dont greet those in the channel
[17:41] <kbmonkey> hows it that side, Kilos ?
[17:41] <Kilos> only if i ctrl+c the terminal she is running on
[17:41] <Kilos> good ty kbmonkey
[17:41] <kbmonkey> it should not greet when it joins a channel though
[17:41] <kbmonkey> its not that kind of greeter. lol
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> only is she is rudely ctrl+c ed
[17:42] <Kilos> if i say die it dont happen on restart
[17:42] <Kilos> yo digigram
[17:46] <digigram> hey kilos
[17:48] <Kilos> ekk reboot prob is back
[17:55] <smile> hi Kilos, inetpro and others :)
[17:56] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:56] <Cantide> smile o/
[18:05] <smile> :DD
[18:13] <inetpro> good morning smile
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[18:14] <smile> good morning :p
[18:14] <smile> :)
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: just follow the link above
[18:14] <Kilos> ty inetpro roryy ^^
[18:15] <roryy> awesome, ta
[18:15] <Kilos> ive gone back 350 but not seen one yet
[18:15] <Kilos> they were before 12.10 was released methinks
[18:16] <roryy> https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Fubuntu-za+laptop&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=za
[18:16] <roryy> (apologies for long link)
[18:17] <Kilos> roryy, if you pm maaz and tell him shorten he does it for you
[18:17] <roryy> huh.  if I install ubuntu I void the warranty on a dell?
[18:17] <roryy> that kinda sucks
[18:17] <Kilos> Maaz, shorten https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Fubuntu-za+laptop&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=za
[18:17] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/PU3B1D
[18:18] <Kilos> there was talk about someone supplying lappies with ubuntu preinstalled
[18:18]  * inetpro would never use windows on a dell
[18:18] <inetpro> ubuntu just works perfect
[18:19] <smile> :DD
[18:19] <inetpro> warranty should have nothing to do with the os
[18:21] <roryy> yeah, someone in the thread says he was told it wouldn't void the warranty
[18:21] <kbmonkey> no it should not, but reality does not work well with morality
[18:22] <kbmonkey> roryy, you can use clonezilla and clone the disk as is
[18:23] <kbmonkey> so if for any reason you one day need to hand it in for warranty reasons, you can restore the original drive data
[18:29] <inetpro> well I can tell you if Dell where to enforce a stupid warranty rule like that they would loose a massive amount of business
[18:33] <inetpro> s/where/were/
[18:33] <roryy> inetpro: yeah, i'm not sure the complaint was legit
[18:34] <Kilos> hmm
[18:34] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[18:35] <Kilos> ty inetpro 2nd time now when moving mouse pc reboots
[18:35] <Kilos> earlier it was when typing here so i changed the keyboard
[18:35] <Kilos> now twice with mouse move
[18:35] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:37] <kbmonkey> grrr
[18:38] <Kilos> somethong in the usb stuff
[18:38] <Kilos> grrr
[18:39] <Kilos> no keyboard was ps2
[18:39] <kbmonkey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[18:39] <Kilos> ty
[18:40] <kbmonkey> for the next time it crashes, it might help us see what caused it
[18:40] <kbmonkey> that #2.2
[18:40] <Kilos> me looks
[18:43] <Kilos> whats that  Alt+SysRq+1it does a reboot same as if you shutdown and say restart
[18:44] <Kilos>  Alt+SysRq
[18:44] <Kilos> where is that key sysrq
[18:44] <Kilos> or do i type it in
[18:45] <roryy> think it might be pause?
[18:45] <roryy> oh, no, it varies - i see it on delete on my keyboard here
[18:45] <Kilos> wait i see it
[18:45] <roryy> Fn-delete it would be
[18:46] <Kilos> lay back inna chair to ponder the situation and see it on the front of the print screen key
[18:46] <roryy> i'm off to be
[18:46] <Kilos> wow never saw that before
[18:46] <roryy> cheers all
[18:46] <Kilos> cheers roorrrr
[18:46] <Kilos> ninnige fanie
[18:47] <Kilos> vinnige
[18:50] <charl> good evening
[18:50] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[18:50]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:50] <kbmonkey> discovering new keys on your keyboard, Kilos?
[18:50] <Kilos> yeah
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe hi charl
[18:51] <charl> hi Kilos
[18:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[18:54] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[18:54] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[18:54] <charl> wow lenovo is busy with some interesting stuff
[18:55] <charl> their ideapad looks a lot like apple's laptops http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/desktop/ideacentre/horizon/
[18:56] <charl> their desktops look very stylish http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/desktop/
[18:56] <charl> seems like they are shedding the ibm thinkpad "stereotype" :)
[19:01] <Kilos> inetpro, them cat and tail commands are for running pc hey?
[19:01] <Kilos> /var/log/syslog
[19:01] <kbmonkey> wow that looks nice charl
[19:02] <kbmonkey> I have the thinkpad laptop. they have lovely linux compatible hardware.
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[19:04] <inetpro> (head;tail) < /var/log/syslog
[19:04] <Kilos> i mean they wont show why pc rebooted will they?
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... depends
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: (head;tail) < /var/log/syslog | nl
[19:06] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2xAhWk1wu
[19:06] <inetpro> the first ten lines would be the beginning and the last 10 the end
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: what's wrong?
[19:07] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20e3uD2UF
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: why you giving me that?
[19:08] <Kilos> pc just reboots on its own while im chatting here or moving mouse is the last 2
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: well you should learn to read that log of yours
[19:09] <inetpro> lot's of lines get added during a boot up process
[19:09] <Kilos>    18  Jan 14 20:35:17 P4 kernel: [  264.172456] init: plymouth-stop pre-start process (3260) terminated with status 1
[19:09] <Kilos>     19  Jan 14 20:39:28 P4 AptDaemon: INFO: Quitting due to inactivity
[19:09] <Kilos>     20  Jan 14 20:39:28 P4 AptDaemon: INFO: Quitting was requested
[19:09] <Kilos> oh
[19:09] <inetpro> so the trick is to find the lines just before the startup
[19:09] <inetpro> look at the time
[19:09] <Kilos> not in the shutdown process
[19:10] <Kilos>     10  Jan 14 09:17:01 P4 CRON[2996]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[19:11] <Kilos> i dunno what time it rebooted
[19:11] <Kilos> is that it
[19:11] <inetpro> less /var/log/syslog
[19:11] <inetpro> with less you can scroll up and down
[19:11] <inetpro> then the time should be clear
[19:12] <inetpro> anything within the same few seconds would be part of a specific sequence
[19:12] <inetpro> like a bootup sequence
[19:12] <Kilos> does quassel show what time i went off?
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: that won't help
[19:13] <Kilos> oh
[19:13] <inetpro> because it will only show after a while
[19:13] <inetpro> after the timeout
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: last
[19:14] <inetpro> last | head
[19:14] <inetpro> that should show you when it booted
[19:14] <inetpro> last reboot
[19:15] <inetpro> or even better ^^
[19:15] <Kilos> without the | head
[19:15] <inetpro> use q to quit out of less
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: last reboot
[19:16] <inetpro> well if there are to many of those use | head
[19:16] <inetpro> because you're interested in the latest
[19:16] <inetpro> which is at the top
[19:17]  * inetpro only has 4 reboot lines since 3 Jan
[19:17] <kbmonkey> Kilos, that syslog can get a ton of messages during reboot
[19:17] <Kilos> reboot   system boot  3.2.0-35-generic Mon Jan 14 20:32 - 21:17  (00:45)
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh
[19:19] <Kilos> thats     10  Jan 14 09:17:01 P4 CRON[2996]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[19:19] <Kilos> its my unity messing around not the hardware hey?
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: look at just before 20:32
[19:20] <charl> kbmonkey: i also have a lenovo laptop, the b560
[19:20] <Kilos> on the first paste inetpro ?
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: no man
[19:21] <inetpro> in your logs
[19:21] <Kilos> ai
[19:21] <inetpro> the paste was useless
[19:21]  * inetpro was still trying to figure what your problem was
[19:22] <charl> nn all!
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: less /var/log/syslog
[19:23] <inetpro> kbmonkey: and yes I agree, theres lots to read in a syslog file
[19:24] <kbmonkey> Kilos, looked at the paste, does not look like all the lines there
[19:24] <kbmonkey> grab the whole log right after a crash
[19:25] <Kilos> less /var/log/syslog
[19:25] <inetpro> kbmonkey: that's just the first 10 lines and the last 10, pointless really
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: apt-get install pastebinit
[19:29] <inetpro> then:
[19:29] <inetpro> pastebinit -a Kilos -i /var/log/syslog
[19:30] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1531773/
[19:31] <Kilos> snazzy command that
[19:31] <inetpro> true
[19:32] <smile> byee :)
[19:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like you're out of luck
[19:33] <Kilos> tell
[19:33] <smile> good night Kilos & inetpro
[19:33] <smile> :p
[19:33] <Kilos> night smile
[19:33] <inetpro> surely you were not offline for longer than half an hour?
[19:34] <kbmonkey> Kilos, did your pc crash between those times where there are gaps in the time?
[19:34] <inetpro> looks like whatever caused a reboot was not logged
[19:34] <kbmonkey> if so, it seems to happen on the 17th minute of each hour
[19:34] <Kilos> 3 times today
[19:34] <Kilos> twice tonight'
[19:34] <kbmonkey> your right, that hourly cronjob
[19:34] <kbmonkey> and it does not log the error itself
[19:35] <Kilos> so is that in unity or the pc itself
[19:35] <inetpro> 14/01 20:32:36 <-- Kilos (~miles@unaffiliated/kilos) has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[19:35] <inetpro> 14/01 20:34:28 --> Kilos (~miles@unaffiliated/kilos) has joined #ubuntu-za
[19:36] <kbmonkey> did you try that step from the ubuntu help link?
[19:36] <kbmonkey> sysreq+1 and sysreq+t
[19:36] <Kilos> it hasnt crashed again kbmonkey
[19:36] <inetpro> that cron at 20:17 was long before the crash
[19:36] <Kilos> must i do that while its rebooting
[19:36] <kbmonkey> no,
[19:37] <kbmonkey> from what I gather, those commands will drop you to a terminal and it will dump the trace log on screen
[19:37] <Kilos> ai
[19:37] <Kilos> you know when you go shutdown and choose restart
[19:37] <Kilos> the pc clicks and strats rebooting
[19:38] <Kilos> starts
[19:38] <Kilos> no time to sys anykey
[19:38] <kbmonkey> it reboots itself right away
[19:38] <kbmonkey> hmm
[19:38] <Kilos> yes
[19:39] <Kilos> it doesnt do any crash thing just reboots
[19:39] <kbmonkey> ai
[19:39] <kbmonkey> that is naughty
[19:39] <kbmonkey> well I would try reseath the RAM chips just in case
[19:40] <kbmonkey> reseat
[19:41] <Kilos> ok will try that and run memory test
[19:41] <Kilos> ty
[19:42] <inetpro> play a game of chess
[19:42] <kbmonkey> i forgot what the technical name is, but its known over time heating and cooling can slowly move ram chips to the point where their contacts lose point
[19:42] <Kilos> why did the pro say im outa luck
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:42] <kbmonkey> ooh chess
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like whatever caused a reboot was not logged
[19:43] <Kilos> oh is that all
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe
[19:43] <inetpro> yes
[19:43]  * Kilos hugs inetpro
[19:43] <Kilos> haha
[19:43]  * inetpro runs away
[19:43] <kbmonkey> haha
[19:43] <kbmonkey> free hugs!
[19:43] <Kilos> thought you were gonna say mb faulty
[19:44]  * inetpro didn't grow up with hugging tendencies
[19:44] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:45] <Kilos> i see smile gets you worried now i got another stick to wallop yuou with
[19:45] <inetpro> ai!
[19:45] <Kilos> lol ok guys ty for the help. will catch you tomorrow with good news i hope
[19:46] <Kilos> will do reseating of ram
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie nag oom
[19:46] <Kilos> lekker slapp
[19:46] <Kilos> slaap ook
[19:46] <Kilos> night kbmonkey be good
[19:46] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos, slaap lekker
[19:46] <kbmonkey> that is a mighty good idea oom
[19:46] <Kilos> danke
[19:47] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <Kilos> dont you also start the oom stuff


[00:49] <joerg> hi
[00:49] <HedgeMage> hi
[00:50] <joerg> how are u doing? :)
[00:52] <HedgeMage> Not bad, you?
[19:47] <adm> hi good nigth
[19:48] <adm> i need help from install
[19:48] <adm> edubuntu
[20:02] <alkisg> adm: where exactly?
[20:17] <adm> alkisg: for instalation
[20:18] <alkisg> adm: ok, what is your problem?
[20:18] <adm> is necessary sudo apt-cdrom add ?
[20:18] <alkisg> What version are you using?
[20:18] <adm> alkisg: 8.09
[20:18] <adm> 8.04
[20:18] <alkisg> Do you have the addon cd? Or just the iso?
[20:19] <adm> yes
[20:19] <alkisg> Then just insert the CD in your drive
[20:19] <adm> i put cdrom
[20:19] <alkisg> You don't need to open a console...
[20:19] <adm> in drive
[20:20] <adm> a shortcut is created in desktop
[20:20] <adm> edubuntu 8.04 E
[20:20] <adm> and stop
[20:21] <alkisg> Don't you see a dialog prompting you to install software?
[20:21] <adm> no
[20:22] <adm> shortcut is created and stop
[20:22] <alkisg> Isn't there some option if you right click on the cd icon that came up on the desktop?
[20:22] <adm> manual mode ?
[20:22] <alkisg> No, something about installing software from this disk..
[20:22] <adm> and synaptic ? possible ?
[20:23] <alkisg> Yes, but it's more difficult
[20:23] <alkisg> Is that gnome?
[20:23] <adm> yes
[20:23] <adm> right click icon ... i chose that option ?
[20:24] <alkisg> Yes
[20:24] <adm> what ?
[20:24] <alkisg> Here's a how-to with screenshots: http://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[20:25] <adm> start addon package not appear
[20:25] <adm> (first screenshot)
[20:26] <adm> start addon installer
[20:26] <adm> dialog not show
[20:28] <adm> what i start a dialog manually ?
[20:28] <adm> right click in icon ?
[20:30] <adm> tank you for help, i am not speak english, come from brazil
[23:29] <thunsucker> wow.....i've never setup edubuntu and the 3.3g downoad surprised me