[10:17] <tjaalton> ooh, didn't notice wacom 0.18.0 was out, with proper multitouch support
[10:17] <tjaalton> time to test it with intuos5
[10:20] <tjaalton> well, the gestures still wont work :)
[10:26] <tjaalton> hum no, need to disable the internal gestures first, then they work
[10:30] <tjaalton> might replace my mouse with this thing :)
[10:32] <tjaalton> although the list of gestures is pretty limited atm
[17:02] <MCR1> ricotz: Hi :) FYI: fglrx from the PPA worx perfectly with Kernel 3.7.
[17:11] <ricotz> MCR1, nice, btw, i won't binary patch it, i guess there should be some release at some point soon
[17:11] <MCR1> ricotz, np.


 howd you like the movie guys?
 It was awesome
 Apperantly it's based on an Anime
 @SivaMachina, It is
 From the trailers it seems they tried to implement the anime eyes...with cgi
 I really liked it and they left it wide open for a sequel
 Actually it's a manga I think
 So where does the cross over to mcu?? Lol
 Most Animes are based Manga
 Made it home
 Same
 @KMyers any recommended usb-c chargers for a laptop? wall chargers.
 I can't find my Pixel C charger.
 Uh oh, I see my phone wants to install android pie? Anyone use it? Thought?
 I've been on the Samsung Beta for a few months and it's been good so far.
 Nothing crazy.
 Been using it for a while now, no complaints on the essential phone
 Ok cool, thanks
 @ahoneybun, Any, just make sure it supports USB Power Delivery and is over 18 watts.
 Cool.
 Damn so the Pixel C charger is not outputing enough.
 https://smile.amazon.com/Google-Pixelbook-45W-Type-C-Charger/dp/B075KH546K/ref=sr_1_49?keywords=usb-c+45+watt+charger&qid=1551027252&s=gateway&sr=8-49
 @KMyers ?
 @ahoneybun, It will work but that is overkill and expensive
 https://amzn.to/2U0FMaa or https://amzn.to/2IvbN8T or https://amzn.to/2H0fYr0 would be better. You do need to make sure you get a Type C to C cable if you go with the later
 Latter?
 Thanks!
 The Anker one does not come with the cable. The other 2 have cables included or attached
 https://amzn.to/2IvbN8T is the best option IMHO as you can also power other things with it along with the tablet
 Yea that's in my cart.


[19:11] <sergiusens> ogra_, or just dput? :-P
[19:11] <ogra_> muhahah
[19:11] <robru> cjwatson, no worries.
[19:11] <cjwatson> might manage to test that later this evening, or at any rate first thing tomorrow
[19:12] <popey> ToyKeeper: bug 1294294
[19:12] <ToyKeeper> popey: Thanks.
[19:12] <sergiusens> bfiller, do you know if any of the gallery landings you have have xnox's python3 test fixes?
[19:14] <bfiller> sergiusens: no they don't
[19:14] <bfiller> sergiusens: the current landing is blocked with a libthumbnailer crash
[19:14] <bfiller> sergiusens: maybe we can get them into the next one
[19:14] <bfiller> sergiusens: have about 100 branches for gallery to get merged
[19:15] <cjwatson> 100!  No wonder you're in a rush :)
[19:15] <sergiusens> I imagine
[19:15] <bfiller> I exaggerate :) but we do have many
[19:17] <cjwatson> bfiller: well, now you know how the release team feels trying to orchestrate all the build failures, proposed migrations, etc. :-)
[19:17] <bfiller> cjwatson: I feel your pain
[19:18] <balloons> ToyKeeper, davmor2 does file manager work on your flo?
[19:19] <davmor2> balloons: you on the latest image?
[19:19] <balloons> davmor2, 244
[19:20] <davmor2> balloons: there is a mir issue that mean apps appear grey if you tap them or rotate the device it refreshes the screen and then it is all drawn
[19:20] <ToyKeeper> balloons: It runs, it lets me browse directories, it took like 30 seconds to update when I told it to show me a dir with a single album in it.  (and then left the "updating" icon frozen onscreen until the screen timed out)
[19:20] <davmor2> balloons: a fix is wending it's way to silo near the ci train :)
[19:21] <balloons> ToyKeeper, kk, ty.
[19:21] <davmor2> balloons: yes so tap the screen on the grey page
[19:21] <ToyKeeper> Hey, it actually launched music this time.  Last time I tried that, it didn't know how to open a music file.
[19:22] <ToyKeeper> davmor2: I definitely see that mir bug now.
[19:23] <ToyKeeper> (but it's not just showing a grey screen...  apps are visually locking at pretty much any time)
[19:23] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: yeap
[19:23] <davmor2> it's not pretty
[19:23] <ToyKeeper> Is there a bug already?
[19:24] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: yeap there were 3, all three are fixed but need  to land
[19:24] <balloons> davmor2, there's not grey page.. it simply doesn't launch, hence my asking
[19:24] <davmor2> balloons: ^
[19:29] <ToyKeeper> Oh, hey, new mirscreencast bits landed.
[19:35] <boiko> robru: just curious, this page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-service already shows the latest version of addres-book-service available in proposed, but rmadison doesn't, shouldn't they be showing the same thing?
[19:36] <robru> boiko, in theory, yes. in practise there is a few minutes delay from one to the other
[19:36] <robru> boiko, in case of discrepancy, rmadison is considered correct.
[19:37] <boiko> robru: ah ok, so I will give it some time, thanks
[19:37] <davmor2> ToyKeeper, balloons: by the way if the guys land a new mir in an image and you guys are about please test that apps open faster, the setting app is nolonger grey, and when you rotate terminal or settings it actually rotates all the way :)  Thanks guys :)
[19:37] <robru> boiko, yep, you're welcome
[20:06] <sergiusens> robru, now that two silos have been released; can I get my qtubuntu silo?
[20:13] <robru> sergiusens, oh yeah, right.
[20:14] <robru> sergiusens, which line was that?
[20:14]  * sergiusens looks
[20:14] <robru> 30?
[20:15] <sergiusens> robru, yeah, 30
[20:15] <robru> sergiusens, ok, you got silo 11
[20:17] <sergiusens> thanks
[20:18] <robru> you're welcome
[20:20] <cyphermox> seb128: silo 5 btw
[20:24]  * balloons awaits mir fix :)
[20:25] <ToyKeeper> At least it's unanimous that r244 is a big red fail.
[20:28] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[20:31] <Saviq> doanac`, it's ~/.cache/unity/first_run.stamp
[20:33] <seb128> Laney, cjwatson: ok, u-s-s built but now is blocked in proposed due to indicator-network missing on arm64/ppc64el :/
[20:37] <balloons> ToyKeeper, re: flo updating i noticed it pulled 352mb; a full image and not a diff
[20:38] <balloons> I wonder if diff updates aren't working on flo or did that much really change to require it?
[20:52] <ToyKeeper> balloons: No clue.  I barely got a chance to see it happening before it finished, because I forgot to disable automatic updates before turning on wifi.
[20:54] <Saviq> cihelp: q: could otto and mediumtests differentiate between FAILED and UNSTABLE when reporting results?
[20:55] <Saviq> actually, otto seems fine, but mediumtests-touch don't
[21:02] <cjwatson> seb128: that'd be https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/indicator-network/porting/+merge/210394
[21:03] <seb128> cjwatson, do you know if anyone is landing that one?
[21:03]  * seb128 checks the googledoc
[21:03] <cjwatson> seb128: I thought I saw it somewhere ...
[21:04] <seb128> shrug
[21:04] <seb128> thostr has a landing for it on l26
[21:05] <seb128> but it's listed with an upstart-app-launch change that is blocked on another silo
[21:06] <seb128> cyphermox, robru: is the status of l26 still current? I don't see upstart-app-launch in any silo?
[21:06] <cjwatson> seb128: that's an upstart-app-launch MP I withdrew as no longer needed
[21:06] <seb128> oh, sorry, it is in l24
[21:06] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, good
[21:06] <cjwatson> seb128: should probably ditch the upstart-app-launch bit and land indicator-network separately
[21:07] <seb128> cyphermox, robru: can we get l25 reconfigured to not include the upstart-app-launch change?
[21:07] <cyphermox> yeah
[21:07] <cyphermox> hold on
[21:07] <seb128> thanks
[21:07] <cyphermox> so line 24, 25, or 26? :)
[21:07] <cjwatson> it's 25
[21:07] <seb128> just 25
[21:07] <seb128> drop the upstart-app-launch mp, keep the indicator one only
[21:07] <seb128> then give it a silo
[21:07] <seb128> that's blocking other things in proposed
[21:08] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[21:08] <cyphermox> np
[21:08] <cjwatson> we'll get down the stack eventually :)
[21:08] <seb128> cjwatson, cyphermox: thanks
[21:08] <cjwatson> one-time pain I think
[21:08] <cjwatson> hm, indicator-network Depends: unity8
[21:09] <seb128> does that mean more fun to come?
[21:09] <cjwatson> we may have to force this
[21:09] <cyphermox> it's being blocked by landing-002 too
[21:09] <cjwatson> IMO we ought to get unity8 working everywhere, but it'll take a bit longer
[21:10] <cyphermox> mhr3: can we please get the connectivity stuff landed? otherwise I'd be tempted to skip over it, build this thing, but you'll need to remember to rebuild all your packages after the fact
[21:11] <cjwatson> what I could do is pretend that indicator-network exists
[21:11] <seb128> cyphermox, can you get that one out of the way? it's not even building
[21:11] <cjwatson> or, if we land indicator-network, pretend that unity8 exists
[21:11] <cyphermox> wait
[21:11] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm sure mhr3 can land that tomorrow, he's probably eod
[21:11] <cyphermox> why is indicator-network depending on unity8?
[21:11] <seb128> the indicator one should be trivial by itself
[21:11] <cjwatson> then at least it'll be a confined thing rather than just leaving an uninstallable around
[21:11] <cyphermox> there should be a desktop side of it that should just work on desktop
[21:12] <cyphermox> indicator-network uninstallable is a regression
[21:12] <cjwatson>     * Interfaces with unity8's extended snap decisions.
[21:12] <cjwatson> maybe that?
[21:12] <cyphermox> ridiculous
[21:12] <mhr3> seb128, cyphermox, i haven't heard anything new from Wellark about it, so feel free to skip
[21:12] <cyphermox> mhr3: thanks, I will
[21:12] <cjwatson> Yeah, that's what introduced the dep
[21:12] <cjwatson> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/152497538/indicator-network_0.5.0%2B13.10.20130918-0ubuntu1_0.5.1%2B13.10.20131004-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[21:13] <cjwatson> Maybe that was really a badly spelled Breaks: unity8 (<< 7.82)?
[21:13] <cjwatson> I don't know whether the indicator fails to start without unity8
[21:13] <seb128> cyphermox, that indicator should probably have its desktop profile disabled, it's pretty useless on desktop atm and it leads to quite some unity8 testers complaining about having a duplicated indicator in unity7 sessions
[21:15] <cyphermox> they can remove the packages
[21:15] <seb128> that uninstalls e.g unity-system-settings
[21:15] <cyphermox> if we want to ever manage to get testing for indicator-network and eventually migrate to it it will have to be installable one day
[21:15] <seb128> I keep editing the .settings to drop the .desktop here
[21:15] <seb128> (should probably dpkg-divert it)
[21:16] <cyphermox> this is madness
[21:16] <seb128> why?
[21:16] <seb128> the settings use it as a backend
[21:16] <seb128> but that doesn't mean I want that indicator in my desktop session
[21:16] <cyphermox> backend is different from the indicator render bits
[21:16] <seb128> right, but we don't have a way to flag that atm
[21:16] <seb128> we either export a desktop profile or not
[21:17] <cyphermox> it should be in a separate package
[21:17] <cyphermox> currently there is a desktop profile
[21:17] <seb128> right
[21:17] <seb128> you can't have separate package, that the same binary
[21:17] <cyphermox> that ought to be fixed eventually
[21:17] <seb128> ubuntu-system-settings use the phone profile
[21:17] <cyphermox> I'm not disagreeing that we should blow it away if it's really a blocker for touch
[21:18] <seb128> blocker for touch?
[21:18] <cyphermox> but I'm pissed that there are so many dependency messes and broken things, and uninstallable, unfixable things
[21:18] <seb128> not sure we are talking about the same thing
[21:18] <seb128> oh
[21:18] <seb128> the "depends on unity8" is orthogonal to the "shouldn't be in desktop session"
[21:18] <cyphermox> I get that
[21:19] <seb128> there are no real issue on desktop
[21:19] <cjwatson> so what should we do here for right now?  can we land my indicator-network porting branch and then I can temporarily tell proposed-migration that unity8 exists on arm64/powerpc/ppc64el?
[21:19] <cyphermox> cjwatson: yeah
[21:19] <seb128> cjwatson, seems the best solution atm yes
[21:19] <cjwatson> that can go away as it comes to exist on more arches
[21:20] <seb128> we should probably get the indicator to not depends on unity8
[21:20] <seb128> I didn't check the code but it looks like it should run without notification service
[21:20] <seb128> even if it doesn't that should be easy to fix
[21:21] <seb128> just disable notifications if there is not service
[21:21] <seb128> Wellark, ^
[21:23] <cyphermox> seb128: cjwatson: landing-007. Seems fitting
[21:23] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[21:24] <cyphermox> I need to run to get back home, back in a bit
[21:24] <cyphermox> robru: still around to deal with stuffs?
[21:24] <seb128> cyphermox, ttyl
[21:24] <robru> cyphermox, yep
[21:24] <cyphermox> cool
[21:24] <cyphermox> ttyl
[21:24] <robru> cyphermox, cya
[21:27] <cjwatson> seb128,cyphermox: OK, I've preemptively put the fake unity8/{arm64,powerpc,ppc64el} in place for proposed-migration
[21:27] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[21:27] <cjwatson> I don't really like it but it's the least bad option I think
[21:27] <cjwatson> I prefer that to arch-limitation cruft in packages
[21:28] <seb128> cjwatson, I don't think thostr is around, do you want to drive the build/test/publish for landing-007?
[21:28] <cjwatson> I can't test right now, I'm still recovering the android side of my device far enough to do dual-boot again
[21:28] <seb128> you can kick  the build
[21:28] <cjwatson> I can, yes - doing now
[21:29] <seb128> so we have a ppa to test tomorrow morning (if nobody beats us to it)
[21:29] <seb128> thanks
[21:30] <cjwatson> do we do manual testing for trivial packaging changes like that?
[21:30] <seb128> depends how confident you are that the rebuild is not going to create issue (e.g toolchain change or whatever could create problems)
[21:30] <seb128> I usually test run stuff on my desktop and ack them when I'm pretty confident it's fine
[21:30] <cjwatson> what do you mean, our toolchain is perfect
[21:31] <seb128> I didn't get unlucky so far
[21:31] <seb128> rrrright ;-)
[21:31] <cjwatson> it was last built four days ago and doko is on vacation :)
[21:31] <cjwatson> anyway, can't test-run this on desktop since conversation above
[21:32] <cjwatson> so either some kind soul can test it for me, or it can wait until I have dual-booting back tomorrow morning or so
[21:32] <seb128> I can give it a try once it's built
[21:32] <cjwatson> appreciated, thanks
[21:32] <seb128> testing on desktop should be fine though (I didn't follow on what issues your desktop is having, you mentioned device problems only that I saw)
[21:33] <cjwatson> this is a package that depends on unity8 ...
[21:33] <seb128> just install on your amd64 desktop ;-)
[21:33] <cjwatson> eh, guess I could.  not sure it would be very high-quality testing though
[21:33] <cjwatson> "yup, still broken"
[21:34] <seb128> right, but as you said it's only trivial changes
[21:34] <sergiusens> robru, mind giving me a silo for l46/u-d-m ? should be a quick one
[21:34] <robru> sergiusens, ok
[21:34] <seb128> so it's up to you on how much you feel like that needs testing
[21:34] <seb128> I just usually settle on "run at least on one arch to make sure there is no stupid mistake/issue"
[21:35] <robru> sergiusens, ok you got 14
[21:35] <robru> seb128, sorry were you addressing me or sergiusens ?
[21:35] <robru> or cjwatson...
[21:35] <robru> nm ;-)
[21:35] <seb128> robru, cjwatson
[21:36] <robru> thanks
[21:45] <sergiusens> robru, java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "/bin/bash" (in directory "/var/lib/jenkins/jobs/landing-014-1-build/workspace"): java.io.IOException: error=12, Cannot allocate memory
[21:45] <robru> sergiusens, try again? clearly infrastructural
[21:45] <sergiusens> robru, the out of memory is an indication that it will be hard to run
[21:46] <sergiusens> I tried again regardless; same failure
[21:46] <robru> sergiusens, which silo?
[21:46] <sergiusens> robru, 14
[21:47] <robru> sergiusens, oh, right at the beginning
[21:47] <robru> sergiusens, I was thinkign this would be after some time and some stuff had ahppened
[21:47] <sergiusens> robru, yeah, can't spawn /bin/bash is worrying
[21:47] <robru> awesome
[21:48] <robru> sergiusens, so cyphermox and didrocks are the only people with access to that machine
[21:48] <cjwatson> Urgh, I thought url-dispatcher was ported
[21:49] <cjwatson> It is, WTF
[21:49]  * cjwatson glares at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/169961216/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.indicator-network_0.5.1%2B14.04.20140318-0ubuntu1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[21:49] <cjwatson> Retrying that one to give it time to think about what it's done
[21:50] <robru> sergiusens, so I'd say, retry it a few more times just in case. I texted cyphermox to ask him to hurry back and fix things
[21:52] <seb128> cjwatson, i-n works fine, tested on my n4
[21:55] <sergiusens> robru, thanks
[21:55] <cjwatson> Cool, let's just let the PPA finish publishing.  Thanks
[21:57] <seb128> yw!
[22:00] <boiko> robru: I had to add one extra component to landing-009, could you please reconfigure the silo for me?
[22:00] <robru> boiko, sure
[22:02] <robru> boiko, ahhhhh, nope
[22:02] <sergiusens> robru, jenkins now says Service Temporarily Unavailable
[22:02] <robru> boiko, jenkins just went down. only cyphermox can save it and he's afk. I texted him though
[22:04] <sergiusens> given the criticality of this infrastructure these days; can't we get 24x7 for this?
[22:05] <boiko> robru: :/
[22:05] <robru> sergiusens, theoretically we do have 24x7 between didrocks and cyphermox. just bad luck that he had to go run an errand.
[22:05] <cjwatson> two people do not make 24x7 :-)
[22:05] <sergiusens> robru, well there needs to be a backup for each timezone though
[22:05] <robru> sergiusens, but you're right. I tried to get access to this before but there was some administrative hurdle and it was decided that cyphermox would be "good enough"
[22:05] <sergiusens> at least
[22:06] <sergiusens> I'm ok with 24x5 btw :-)
[22:06] <robru> sergiusens, yes, I totally agree, but at the time, cyphermox already was "the backup" after this went down one night while didrocks was sleeping
[22:06] <sergiusens> ideally 24x7
[22:07] <sergiusens> robru, yeah, I remember that
[22:07] <cjwatson> Two people don't even make 24x5 unless you don't mind burning them out
[22:07] <robru> anyway, nothing I can do, so I might as well take lunch. back in a bit.
[22:07] <robru> tomorrow I'll press didrocks to give me that access
[22:10] <boiko> robru: so it says silo ready, but that's actually not true yet? :)
[22:10] <robru> boiko, nope, i didn't run the job. reconfig never happened. stale status
[22:11] <boiko> robru: ok
[22:21] <veebers> plars: ping, yesterday you made modifications to the autopilot release gatekeeper job. If we use the latest version of lp:ubuntu-test-cases/touch do we still need those additions?
[22:23] <plars> veebers: no, you'll be fine once you move up to tip
[22:23] <veebers> plars: awesome, thanks for the confirm
[22:45] <thomi> cyphermox: robru: is the jenkins server down? I get "Service temporarily unavailable" when trying to access http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:47] <thomi> cihelp - Perhaps the jenkins server has died ^^ ?
[22:49] <boiko> thomi: seems so, and it seem cyphermox is not around to get it up and running again
[22:49] <thomi> awesome
[22:50] <thomi> asac: Can you escalate this please? ^^
[22:55] <robru> thomi, I texted cyphermox, he'll be back soon-ish
[22:55] <thomi> robru: ok, thanks
[22:55] <robru> thomi, no worries
[22:56]  * robru -> back to lunch while I wait for cyphermox
[23:25] <bregma> robru, when you get back from lunch, would you be so kind as to assign a silo for line 47 and I will begin my daily ritual of human sacrifice and playing records backwards
[23:28] <robru> bregma, I will as soon as jenkins comes back up (waiting on cyphermox to restart the server which died)
[23:30] <cyphermox> oh, jenkins died?
[23:30] <thomi> cyphermox: yup :(
[23:30]  * bregma begins the occult use of certain vegetables and fruits
[23:31]  * cyphermox renames the host to "Kenny"
[23:31] <robru> cyphermox, hrrm, did you not get my texts?
[23:31] <cyphermox> I jsut saw them
[23:32] <robru> bah.
[23:32] <cyphermox> I didn't ring, I must have been walking outside at that point
[23:32] <cyphermox> I'll just take a few more minutes to figure out what's up with it instead of just rebooting it this time
[23:35] <cyphermox> fail
[23:35] <cyphermox> it quite simply got oomkilled
[23:35] <cyphermox> nothing I can do right now, but I'll work with didrocks tomorrow to migrate it to another host
[23:38] <cyphermox> in the meantime I need to come up with something to track this
[23:38] <cyphermox> jenkins is restarted
[23:41] <thomi> cyphermox: thanks!
[23:41] <robru> cyphermox, thank you!
[23:42] <robru> cyphermox, perhaps we could migrate it to a host inside the VPN, and benefit from the VPN DNS...
[23:42] <thomi> it's be really nice if one's login credentials lasted more than 10 minutes or so on that server as well :)
[23:42] <thomi> ...while we're fixing things :)
[23:42] <cyphermox> I'm kind of scared of twisting other knobs because if it ever happens that init or some other critical process gets killed, I won't be able to restart the machine myself, it will need didrocks' involvement
[23:42] <robru> thomi, *sigh* yeah
[23:43] <thomi> robru: good to know I'm not the only one who noticed :)
[23:43] <cyphermox> robru: no, it's on purpose on stack so as to be easier, more distributed to maintain than otherwise
[23:43] <robru> thomi, I use this thing *all day long* and I still have to log in every damn time
[23:43] <cyphermox> there isn't really a host for it in vpn
[23:43] <thomi> yeah
[23:43] <cyphermox> but it really also needs to be migrated to a different server farm anyway
[23:44] <robru> bregma, ok, you got 17, please build.
[23:44] <cyphermox> it's all under juju so the downtime for this stuff really should be minimal if we move things
[23:44] <robru> who else wanted stuff? sergiusens we're back online
[23:44] <sergiusens> yeah, just saw
[23:44] <robru> boiko, ok, we're back, i'm just about to reconfigure you
[23:45] <boiko> robru: nice! thanks!
[23:45] <sergiusens> mandel, still awake? building now
[23:45] <boiko> robru: if you have other priorities, you can reconfigure the silo later, I'm about to stop here
[23:45] <robru> boiko, nope nope, i'm on it
[23:46] <robru> kgunn, how's mir? really good?
[23:46] <kgunn> robru: yep...that fixed it
[23:46] <robru> cyphermox, can you kick an image before I publish mir? I did a lot of publishings today, new image would be nice i think
[23:47] <cyphermox> ack
[23:59] <imgbot>


[00:11] <cjwatson> bluesabre: Usually somewhat later on Thursday
[00:11] <bluesabre> cjwatson: thanks, I've been in panic packaging mode :)
[14:17] <Riddell> stgraber: you're the iso tracker dude?
[14:38] <Riddell> stgraber: I added Kubuntu Plasma 5 to isotracker, how do I get it to show up under Utopic Daily ?
[14:43] <Laney> Riddell: I think you have to have it match etc/qa-products in lp:ubuntu-cdimage and then it should show up after a build
[14:43] <Laney> semi-educated guess
[14:43] <Laney> (In that file the product name doesn't contain "Desktop")
[14:51] <Riddell> doen't seem to help to remove the "Desktop" from isotracker product
[14:52] <Laney> has a build finished?
[14:53] <Riddell> not since I added it
[14:53] <Riddell> maybe I should just be patient
[14:54] <Laney> 17 22 * * *for-project kubuntu-plasma5 cron.daily-live --live
[14:54] <Laney> I'd see if it happens after then
[15:04] <cjwatson> [5~/wg 24
[15:04] <cjwatson> sigh
[15:04] <Riddell> queuebot: ooh?
[15:30] <Riddell> how does this file get edited? http://releases.ubuntu.com/include/kubuntu.css
[15:30] <cjwatson> by hand, I'm afraid
[15:30] <cjwatson> happy to plonk in a new version
[15:35] <Riddell> cjwatson: could you   cp kubuntu.css kubuntu-plasma5.css; sed s,Ubuntu,Oxygen, -i kubuntu-plasma5.css
[15:37] <cjwatson> Riddell: done
[15:39] <Riddell> cjwatson: then eye over and pull the change I just commited to ubuntu-cdimage
[15:41] <cjwatson> Riddell: single-element tuples don't work like that
[15:41] <cjwatson> ("kubuntu") is just grouping not a tuple, so foo in ("kubuntu") is true if foo is "k" or "u" or "b" or "n" or "t"
[15:42] <cjwatson> Riddell: also you have a bunch of test failures
[15:42] <cjwatson> Riddell: I think mostly because you're missing file=header on various print calls, but make sure to use ./run-tests
[15:43] <cjwatson> for the former problem I would just write 'if self.project == "kubuntu":' etc.
[15:43] <cjwatson> and save in-tuple for the case where you have more than one
[15:44] <Riddell> mm ok, that seems unintuitive
[15:45] <Laney> you need the trailing comma for one-element tuples
[15:45] <cjwatson> Yeah, that works too, but style in cdimage is usually just to use equality in such cases
[15:45] <Laney> Sure, just explaining the python syntax
[15:49] <Riddell> that seems like the sort of unintuitive change in behaviour you'd expect from JavaScript not Python :)
[15:49] <Riddell> cjwatson: ubuntu-cdimage updated
[15:52] <cjwatson> Riddell: thanks, but still produces junk on stdout during the tests which indicates missing file=header on print, and there's a test failure if you have pep8 installed
[15:54]  * Riddell investigates
[15:56] <Riddell> cjwatson: third time lucky, ubuntu-cdimage updated
[16:00] <cjwatson> Riddell: great, thanks - deployed
[16:00] <Riddell> yay
[16:23] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'd like to release this ubuntu-release-upgrader SRU to trusty although one bug failed verification (the fix for that one is still in the works).
[16:25] <stgraber> Riddell: sorry, at a conference with pretty bad wifi. If the product exists on the tracker, it should automatically show up with the next build, so long as the cdimage branch contains the proper mapping between internal cdimage product name and qatracker product name.
[16:26] <stgraber> Riddell: if the mapping doesn't exist or is wrong, you'll see an error message in the iso build log
[16:26] <Riddell> stgraber: ok I'll check back tomorrow thanks
[16:26] <stgraber> Riddell: KeyError: "Product 'Kubuntu Plasma 5 amd64' not found"
[16:27] <stgraber> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/kubuntu-plasma5/utopic/daily-live-20140820.log
[16:27] <Riddell> right, and now it has "Kubuntu Plasma 5 amd64" so hopefully that's all good
[16:28] <stgraber> ok, so the next daily build should just show up then
[16:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: should we reupload dropping the bug reference from the changelog, to avoid confusion?
[16:34] <slangasek> gaughen: docker.io accepted into trusty-proposed now
[16:35] <gaughen> slangasek, thank you!
[16:37] <bdmurray> slangasek: ah, yeah that'd make sense. can that be done using the same version number or is a new one required?
[17:05] <slangasek> bdmurray: new one required
[17:09] <bdmurray> slangasek: ack, I'll get that uploaded then
[17:09] <slangasek> bdmurray: cheers
[17:22] <wxl> hey not to be jumpy but are we quite ready to start beta1 testing?
[17:24] <elfy> beginning of next week wxl - I've not seen the "who's doing beta" mail yet either
[17:24] <wxl> elfy: ok just don't want to miss it this time XD
[17:24] <elfy> I'll try and remember to ping you if you like :)
[17:25] <wxl> elfy: as long as someone does ;)
[17:26] <elfy> heh
[18:00] <bdmurray> slangasek: uploaded
[18:02] <slangasek> bdmurray: looks good, accepted
[18:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: there is no need to reverify the fixed bugs correct?
[18:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: based on that diff, I'm happy to skip reverification
[22:00] <bdmurray> In case anybody is interested I've update the metarelease fiels for the release-upgrader in trusty-updates
[23:08] <bdmurray> cjwatson: is it expected for packages to exist in -updates and -proposed after a run of sru-release?  see systemd and ubuntu-release-upgrader
[23:08] <cjwatson> Yes
[23:08] <bdmurray> for how long?
[23:09] <cjwatson> We don't have a copyPackage with move semantics yet (I've been working on that, haven't quite finished), so they have to be removed manually
[23:09] <cjwatson> Until somebody processes the "-proposed cleanup" block in pending-sru.html
[23:09] <cjwatson> I'll do that now
[23:10] <bdmurray> cjwatson: got it, thanks!
[23:10] <cjwatson> You probably haven't noticed since I tend to reflexively process it when I'm bored :)
[23:11] <bdmurray> well and I've been so buried with the error tracker
[23:11] <cjwatson> that batch is removed now


[15:29] <lbt> hi - my preseed install of jaunty is fine. If I select pkgsel/upgrade select full-upgrade then the initrd isn't built for the new kernel and it won't boot. A simple update-initramfs fixes it. Known issue?
[17:06] <lbt> If I add sources.list.d entries,  run "in-target apt-get update" and then run apt-install will I get to see pks from my new repo?


[10:55] <deanman> Just checkout juju and build it. For some reason though `juju init` gives `ERROR unrecognized command: juju init`. Any hints?


[09:03] <debfx> why doesn't lintian build-depends on libtest-perl-critic-perl show up on component-mismatches?
[09:11] <apachelogger> cjwatson: btw, I was talking about the wrong file... grub-pc.config is the one causing trouble
[09:18] <apachelogger> cjwatson: so, I am wondering what the right solution is. only write to debconf db if at least default/grub is present or actually check if the variables were defined before writing them? seems to me latter is what should be happening
[12:38] <tkamppeter> Anyone of the SRU team here? bdmurray, RAOF_, infinity, SpamapS, slangasek, ScottK?
[14:49] <slangasek> tkamppeter: "here" but with limited availability this week; what's up?
[15:19] <tkamppeter> slangasek, I have uploaded a CUPS SRU for bugpopd
[15:21] <tkamppeter> slangasek, I have uploaded a CUPS SRU for bug 1108719 and now I need to add also the SRU for bug 1133794 to the upload. Can you reject the current upload so that I can do a new upload with both SRUs? Thanks.
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1108719 in cups (Ubuntu Raring) "usb crashed with SIGSEGV in opendir() -- USB ports are in BIOS disabled --> cupsd crashes every time" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1108719
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1133794 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Printer not detected by system-config-printer 1.3.11 in Lubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1133794
[15:22] <slangasek> tkamppeter: done
[15:24] <tkamppeter> slangasek, thanks, new package uploaded.
[18:38] <cjwatson> apachelogger: I don't have a complete right answer and probably won't be able to sort it out this week, but I'd like to look at it in detail when I'm not at a sprint.  Is there a bug for all this?
[19:16] <apachelogger> cjwatson: I'll file one
[21:06] <Noskcaj> the upgrade testcases haven't update for 6 days
[21:06] <phillw> Noskcaj: why should they? they are test cases, not ISO's
[21:07] <Noskcaj> phillw, aren't they meant to reset with every iso build?
[21:07] <phillw> Noskcaj: only if we re-write them :)
[21:07] <Noskcaj> oh, never mind then
[21:07] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: the description of those test cases says they're updated weekly
[21:08] <cjwatson> e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/43090/testcases
[21:08] <Noskcaj> ok, ty
[21:09] <phillw> cjwatson: just while you are here, is lubuntu cron job the same time for saucy as raring?
[21:10] <phillw> 16:29 (UTC) and  01:35 (UTC) for ac100
[21:10] <cjwatson> No change.  You can look this up yourself in lp:ubuntu-cdimage etc/crontab
[21:11] <phillw> cjwatson: thanks, I'm just 'waking' up our testing page from its brief holiday :)
[21:23] <phillw> cjwatson: I can't find lp:ubuntu-cdimage etc/crontab ?
[21:26] <stgraber> phillw: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/view/head:/etc/crontab
[21:27] <phillw> thanks stgraber :)


[09:40] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:43] <MutantTurkey> did anyone listen to that bit about FOSS last night on npr?
[16:53] <teddy-dbear> not me :-/
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> must have been TED Radio Hour
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> here it is http://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/?showDate=2017-03-17
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> Open Source World: TED Speakers explore how open source is changing how we buld, collaborate and govern.


[12:57] <Seveas> nixternal, poke
[01:01] <nixternal> Seveas: ouch!
[01:01] <Seveas> nixternal, heh
[01:01] <Seveas> can you please add the IRC oprators meeting to the fridge agnda
[01:01] <Seveas> it's on feb. 15, 5AM UTC
[01:02] <nixternal> I thought I did before, but sure, will do right now!
[01:02] <nixternal> sweet, 5am UTC!
[01:02] <Seveas> you couldn't have done it before, I haven't asked yet :)
[01:02] <LjL> ...5am
[01:03] <LjL> tell me how it goes :P
[01:03] <gnomefreak> ham UTC?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> 5am UTC?
[01:04] <Seveas> hehe
[01:04] <Seveas> LjL, 6AM isn't too early ;)
[01:04] <LjL> noooo
[01:04] <Seveas> you can manage to stay awake until then ;)
[01:04] <LjL> i'll be as awake as a morning bird :)
[01:04] <nixternal> Seveas: is there an agenda wiki page?
[01:04] <LjL> err, yeah, perhaps that :P
[01:05] <Seveas> nixternal, yes, but it still has the contents of the old meeting
[01:05] <Seveas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcOperatorMeetingAgenda
[01:06] <gnomefreak> what day?
[01:06] <nixternal> Seveas: done!
[01:06] <LjL> 15 february
[01:06] <Seveas> gracias
[01:07] <gnomefreak> i can try to be awake
[01:07] <nixternal> no problemo
[01:07] <nixternal> I will be awake. 05:00 UTC == 23:00 here :)
[01:08] <gnomefreak> nixternal: try again its 00:00 atleast i thought you were EST
[01:09] <nixternal> Chicago Standard Time :)
[01:12] <LjL> here
[01:13] <LjL> oh right, thought i'd unbanned you already
[01:13] <Minataku> Nope, but then it's about 20m shy of 24h
[01:13] <Minataku> lol
[01:14] <gnomefreak> lol @ Chicago Standard Time
[02:08] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Cryoniq said: !Windows Vista is the devil
[02:09] <Minataku> lol
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:11] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: no xmms is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Audacious, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:12] <LjL> !xmms
[02:12] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:12] <LjL> ?
[02:12] <LjL> !-xmms
[02:12] <ubotu> xmms is <alias> players - added by Seveas on 2006-06-19 08:43:29
[02:12] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:13] <gnomefreak> he added audacious
[02:13] <LjL> oh
[02:13] <LjL> didn't spot that
[02:13] <gnomefreak> but i dont think its in repos atleast ive never seen it
[02:13] <LjL> however... he tried that already, but we decided it'd be better to leave it out since it's not in the repos, yeah
[02:13] <LjL> !audacious
[02:13] <ubotu> A !repository for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[02:13] <gnomefreak> its in feist
[02:13] <LjL> he'd added this one
[02:13] <LjL> i'll just tell him
[02:13] <gnomefreak> y
[02:14] <gnomefreak> its in feisty repos
[02:14] <gnomefreak> audacious: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.2.2-3
[02:14] <LjL> well, wouldn't it be better to wait until Feisty is stable before putting it on the list?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> its a fork of beep
[02:14] <LjL> after all, there's a lot of players on the list already, if we include things that are not in the repos yet...
[02:14] <gnomefreak> LjL: agreed
[02:15] <gnomefreak> that supports winamp skins :(
[02:15] <Minataku> Define what determines something to be "stable"
[02:15] <gnomefreak> it does
[02:15] <Minataku> I know Debian's definition of stable is if a package is more than 5 years old
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Minataku, in debian, when its > 6 months since freeze, in ubuntu, when its existed for 6 months ;)
[02:15] <LjL> Minataku: i mean "when it's released"
[02:15] <Minataku> What's *buntu's definition?
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Minataku: stable == been tested and approved
[02:16] <Minataku> LjL: I know, but my question is different
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> !stable
[02:16] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:16] <LjL> Minataku: i don't have a definition for "stable"
[02:16] <Minataku> gnomefreak: And who tests these things? How much testing does it actually take?
[02:16] <Minataku> I'm asking legitimately
[02:17] <Minataku> I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I actually want to know this
[02:17] <Minataku> lol
[02:17] <LjL> i'm not a developer...
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Minataku: about 6 months of testing and normally people that know what they are doing should test
[02:17] <Minataku> 6 months is quite excessive, I would think
[02:18] <gnomefreak> devel tests it before its released into release
[02:18] <Minataku> I certainly hope security software such as OpenSSL is exempt from such extended testing
[02:18] <LjL> ?!
[02:18] <gnomefreak> Minataku: not everything can be tested for 6 months ofcourse but some things do
[02:18] <Seeker`> i think security patches are different?
[02:19] <LjL> Seeker`: they sure are
[02:19] <Minataku> Ah, okay
[02:19] <gnomefreak> tonyyserver: i didnt just walk in and so am i
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: they are
[02:19] <LjL> anyway, this is getting a tad offtopic for here i think?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> they are tested in alpha and backported or released into security when we think it wont mess up a stable system
[02:19] <Minataku> It's a legitimate question about operation of the entire distro
[02:20] <LjL> yeah this channel is about operation of the ubuntu support channels though
[02:20] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Still, with enough people testing, I doubt everything needs 6 months
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, can i pm you for a moment
[02:20] <Minataku> LjL: My bad, sorry
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: sure.
[02:20] <gnomefreak> Minataku: read my post above the one that starts with Minataku: NOT
[02:22] <gnomefreak> wish people would think sometimes :(
[02:22] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Yes, but that line indicates that it should ALWAYS be 6mo
[02:22] <Minataku> And that less is somehow inferior testing
[02:22] <Minataku> That line being the one that starts with "Minataku: not"
[02:24] <Seeker`> Minataku: Unless it is patching a security hole, or particularly bad bug, it doesn't hurt to test it for 6 months, a small change in code could have hidden effects and affect other packages. You need that long to ensure it works in as many different configurations of packages as possible
[02:25] <Minataku> I suppose such may be needed for an "It just works" distro, but it still seems quite excessive given that an active project means that it will stagnate very quickly
[02:26] <gnomefreak> LjL:  didnt you stop this topic a while ago?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:27] <Seeker`> sorry
[02:28] <Minataku> gnomefreak: You were the first to continue it after that, in all honesty ;3
[02:28] <gnomefreak> but i stopped when i saw what he said
[02:28] <Minataku> But, sorry, I just figured it'd be better to ask the higher-ups where they all are rather than the users who don't know
[02:29] <Minataku> I'm not aware of any more appropriate place to ask than here so I apologize for taking the channel offtopic
[02:30] <gnomefreak> Minataku: #ubuntu-motu would be the best place for that
[02:30] <Minataku> Ah, I'll keep that in mind the next time I have an administrative question :3
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Minataku: development is not an admin question
[02:33] <Minataku> I meant administrative to the distribution
[02:33] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[02:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[02:33] <Minataku> It wasn't exactly a development question
[02:33] <Minataku> It was a question about the testing and approval policy
[02:33] <Minataku> Which is an administrative manner
[02:34] <gnomefreak> how is testing done, and what stable means has nothing to do with IRC ops
[02:34] <Minataku> Channel operators != IRC Operators
[02:35] <gnomefreak> we have staff in here too
[02:35] <gnomefreak> Minataku: why ar eyou in here?
[02:35] <gnomefreak> are you even
[02:35] <Minataku> I think I got yelled at yesterday then I came in here to yell back or something
[02:36] <no0tic> hi, how can I use /remove with a multi-word reason?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Minataku: was banned from #kubuntu yesterday
[02:37] <Hobbsee> no0tic: stick a : in between the nick and reason :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> took me ages to figure that one out
[02:37] <Minataku> Only for 24h
[02:37] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: do we know what for?
[02:37] <Minataku> Ah, yes, the raw command delimiter
[02:37] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you'd have to ask ljl, he set the ban
[02:37] <Minataku> Clients typically fill in the :
[02:37] <no0tic> Hobbsee, like /remove #ubuntu-it <nick>:non floodare mai pi
[02:37] <Minataku> It's expired anyway
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ah yes, it would be over 24h by now.  seeing as it was during the meeting.
[02:38] <Minataku> no0tic: Space after <nick>
[02:38] <Hobbsee> no0tic: yep
[02:38] <no0tic> Hobbsee, ok thanks
[02:38] <Minataku> Why the extreme dependence on services?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Minataku: actually, that ban should be undone, you know
[02:39] <LjL> it is
[02:39] <Minataku> It is, but I do have another question, what is with the dependence on services? You can set modes manually, you know, not to mention kick and such
[02:40] <gnomefreak> we do?
[02:42] <Minataku> Yeah, I've never seen a manual ban once, and one person in here also was unaware that channel operators can set channel modes manually
[02:42] <gnomefreak> yes you have
[02:42] <gnomefreak> if you have been around more than a week you have
[02:43] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:44] <Minataku> Ah
[02:44] <Minataku> Sorry about that, I tend to ramble sometimes
[03:49] <ubotu> In ubotu, dimeo said:  what is the command prompt
[03:52] <eff> jenda,  ping
[03:54] <eff> any staffer around... having troubles with my nick... I'm effie_jayx
[04:20] <DBO> jenda, poke poke squeak squeak you get the idea
[04:20] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:26] <nalioth> malt can be considered banned in any channel you wish
[05:28] <nalioth> here is the reason:<PHONE_NUMBER> 22:24 -!- MalevolenT<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [K-lined]     just exploited ##windows
[05:33] <Amaranth> DBO: Can you give me access in #ubuntu-xgl?
[05:34] <DBO> Amaranth, you would need to talk to one of the channel contacts for that (that was the rule as Im aware of it)
[05:35] <Amaranth> i thought we decided 30 access meant channel contact?
[05:36] <DBO> I didnt hear that if we did, you'll have to ask one of the others
[05:47] <Amaranth> DBO: In that case can you edit the topic to point out that the last message in there is for beryl? I'm quite happy to support compiz git. :)
[05:56] <nalioth> no, you can go back to sleep, tonyyarusso
[05:56] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: soon...
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: are there server problems atm?
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> User claiming they can't connect.
[06:03] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: not that i'm aware of
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> hrm, okay
[06:03] <nalioth> i always like to see folks here claiming they can't connect.
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> This one's on AIM.  ;)
[07:18] <nalioth> can anyone explain what all xgl / aiglx / compiz / beryl and all that is about?
[07:20] <Jucato> eye candy :)
[07:20] <nalioth> i need a composite desktop and have no idea how to proceed
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Looking pretty.
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> lol
[07:20] <mneptok> "need?"
[07:20] <Jucato> compiz and beryl (which is a fork of beryl) are compositing window managers
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> "I need a composite desktop"...
[07:20] <nalioth> unfortunately, some folks are writing programs that only run on composite desktops
[07:20] <Jucato> now why would they do that...
[07:21] <mneptok> Jucato: GL rendering engines for X
[07:21] <Jucato> mneptok: that's AIGLX right?
[07:21] <mneptok> XGL/AIGLX
[07:22] <Jucato> yeah. I mean the difference between them. All I know is that AIGLX is officially in X.org... or something like that
[07:23] <Amaranth> XGL is an X server that does all drawing using OpenGL and runs on top of a normal X server
[07:23] <Amaranth> AIGLX basically lets your normal X server do that OpenGL drawing stuff :)
[07:23] <Jucato> aaaah
[07:23] <Jucato> ok. that sort of clears it up :)
[07:24] <nalioth> Amaranth: which one is easiest and most stable on dapper?
[07:24] <Amaranth> on dapper?
[07:24] <Amaranth> don't bother trying
[07:25] <Amaranth> XGL would be best but you need a newer XGL, xcomposite, and mesa than dapper has
[07:26] <mneptok> Jucato: remeber "AI" stands for "Accelerated *In*direct"
[07:26] <nalioth> so it doesn't work on dapper?
[07:26] <Jucato> mneptok: hm.. ok. thanks :)
[07:26] <Amaranth> nalioth: not really
[07:27] <Amaranth> nalioth: the hacky way compiz-quinn/beryl supported it broke upgrades to edgy unless you used update-manager (which had a special case coded in to unbreak this)
[07:27] <Amaranth> and if you mean the compiz stuff on help.ubuntu.com it's outdated, last time i checked
[07:27] <Amaranth> it was talking about that compiz-quinn/beryl stuff i just mentioned
[07:27] <nalioth> Amaranth: all of my upgrades have been broken.  i don't ever upgrade w/o an alternative install disc to bail me out
[07:28] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: feisty is awesome like that, no?
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: yeah.  It only kinda works here though.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> (compiz, not feisty)
[07:31] <Amaranth> mneptok: if it makes your CPU usage go up you've got a crappy GPU/driver :)
[07:31] <mneptok> uh huh
[07:32] <mneptok> or i need more Kool-Aid
[07:56] <jenda> DBO: pong
[07:57] <DBO> jenda, squeak squeak squeak beryl cloak squeak squeak squeak
[07:58] <jenda> right :)
[07:58] <DBO> there might be cornbread in this for you
[07:58] <DBO> keep that in mind
[07:58] <DBO> *wink wink*
[07:58] <mneptok> please god don't let that be a euphemism
[07:58] <DBO> only you...
[07:59] <mneptok> willys_fueguino: heya.
[07:59] <willys_fueguino> ;-)
[07:59] <willys_fueguino> how are you mneptok??
[08:00] <mneptok> not bad
[08:00] <mneptok> willys_fueguino: is #ubuntu-lat going to become an official channel?
[08:01] <willys_fueguino> mneptok: mmm... I hope so...
[08:01] <willys_fueguino> mneptok: but I'm op on a LoCo channel
[08:01] <willys_fueguino> mneptok: can't sleep??
[08:02] <mneptok> willys_fueguino: these are my working hours.
[08:02] <willys_fueguino> :-O
[08:04] <willys_fueguino> *phobia
[08:17] <jenda> good morning
[08:18] <jenda> DBO: lol :)
[08:18] <willys_fueguino> jenda: :-D
[08:18] <jenda> DBO: I hope that wasn't metaphorical
[08:19] <DBO> jenda, no Ill bake you corn bread
[08:19] <DBO> I mean how hard can it be
[08:20] <nalioth> DBO: if you're a yankee, quite diffecult
[08:20] <DBO> hehe yankee...
[08:20] <willys_fueguino> X'D
[08:21] <nixternal> however I listen to country music and classic rock, beyond the span of intelligence for a Yankee
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> (anybody want to submit two things to Digg and/or SD?)
[08:21] <nixternal> eww
[08:21] <DBO> country music is the lowest form of all musics...
[08:21] <DBO> anything lower is of course not music
[08:21] <nixternal> DBO: NEVAH!
[08:22] <nixternal> do you know what happens when you play country music backwards?
[08:23] <nixternal> you have money, your wife, dog, and kids come back, and your pick-up starts!
[08:23] <DBO> and george bush is impeached
[08:23] <nixternal> NEVAH!
[08:24] <willys_fueguino> X'D
[08:24] <nixternal> I have no idea where that "nevah" crap come from, but I have done it now a few times today
[08:24] <DBO> stupid murrine engine is broken
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> (my and Dave Sullivan's most recent Planet posts respectively being the items in question ;)  )
[08:24] <nixternal> I just noticed someone ported that to KDE and it looks rather sharp, still a few bugs, but it is on its way
[08:25] <nixternal> tonyyarusso: ahh ya, that is rockin', however I think I would toss road flares onto that ice house :)
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: Hehe, we're going for the peaceful but devious approach instead
[08:25] <nixternal> it would be funny though, when it melts, use it to your benefit
[08:26] <nixternal> well see running Vista requires dual core processors to run beyond their max in turn over heating, and those 4 computers they had melted the place
[08:26] <nixternal> Ubuntu on the other hand, hell you don't even need a heat sink, pour beer on your machine!
[08:26] <tonyyarusso> lol
[08:26] <nixternal> You Canucks and your Molson, probably don't want to waste any :)
[08:27] <nixternal> haha, my best friend lives in a hick town outside of Toronto, and when he comes and visits he loads up his suit case with Molson wrapped in all of his socks
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> are ubotu's planet announcements broken?
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> %config plugins.rss
[09:11] <ubotu> True
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> %config #ubuntu-offtopic plugins.rss
[09:13] <Mez> %config list plugins.rss
[09:13] <ubotu> #announcementPrefix, #bold, #headlineSeparator, #showLinks, @#announce, @feeds, public, and waitPeriod
[09:14] <Mez> %config channel #ubunt-offtopic plugins.rss .announce
[09:14] <Mez> %config channel #ubunt-offtopic plugins.rss.announce
[09:14] <ubotu>
[09:14] <Mez> %config channel #ubuntu-offtopic plugins.rss.announce
[09:14] <ubotu> ubuntusecurity thefridge planetubuntu
[09:14] <Mez> %rss thefridge
[09:14] <ubotu> Your recipes needed for the Official Ubuntu Book! <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/737> || Ubuntu Weekly News: Issue #28 <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/720> || Wiki Weekend - your chance to contribute to Ubuntu documentation <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/719> || Screencast Team <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/713> || Feisty Fawn Herd 2 Image Released <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/712> || Ubuntu Weekly (2 more messages)
[09:14] <Mez> %rss planetubuntu
[09:14] <ubotu> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[09:14] <Mez> %rss ubuntusecurity
[09:15] <Mez> seems the planet RSSis broken
[09:16] <Mez> @lart 35 GazzaK
[09:17] <Mez> @lart 36 GazzaK
[09:17] <GazzaK> @pity 10 Mez
[09:18] <kgoetz> o_0
[09:19] <GazzaK> yay
[09:19] <mneptok> many happy returns of the day
[09:20] <GazzaK> :-)))
[09:20] <tonyyarusso> oh noes
[09:20] <GazzaK> sooo..... whats my birthday surprise then
[09:22] <jenda> GazzaK: I'd give you a birthday surprize, but I don't have ops here.
[09:22] <jenda> So I'll have to stick with:
[09:22] <jenda> @lart 28 GazzaK
[09:22] <kgoetz> poor hobbsee :\
[09:22] <jenda> Damn, would I hate to have my name in a lart.
[09:23] <jenda> Imagine getting beeped anytime someone wants to thwack GazzaK
[09:23] <GazzaK> hehe
[09:23] <GazzaK> [idea]  @pity xx Jenda spanks %user% with a pink tutu
[09:24] <GazzaK> awwww
[09:24] <jenda>
[09:24] <GazzaK> [idea]  @pity xx Jenda spanks %user% with a pink tutu
[09:24] <GazzaK> there, thats better
[09:25] <GazzaK> cable?
[09:25] <jenda> LAN
[09:25] <kgoetz> catagory 5 :)
[09:25] <kgoetz> s/:)/?
[09:25] <GazzaK> I have hundreds here jenda
[09:26] <jenda> kgoetz: wow, that's some finger-memory, to typo to a smiley :)
[09:26] <jenda> GazzaK: well, I have tons here too, but none are 15 m.
[09:26] <kgoetz> jenda: no kidding... i'm way to happy ;P
[09:27] <GazzaK> jenda, I have two reels of cable, I could of made you one :p
[09:27] <GazzaK> mind you, my crimping tool is off on loan at the mo
[09:29] <DBO> its GazzaKs bday?
[09:29] <GazzaK> tis too
[09:29] <GazzaK> er
[09:29] <popey> old git
[09:29] <GazzaK> yep
[09:29] <DBO> how old?
[09:30] <GazzaK> 21 again
[09:30] <GazzaK> x9
[09:30] <DBO> 9th 21st birthday
[09:30] <GazzaK> yep
[09:31] <GazzaK> why O why do I get scared when people Op themselves in -offtopic!!!
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> %rss planetubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[10:04] <Jucato> O.o
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> weird.  It just annc'd one too.
[10:05] <tonyyarusso> Maybe my URL is too long :P
[10:18] <elkbuntu> Seveas, fyi: <tonyyarusso> %rss planetubuntu
 An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[10:19] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I know
[10:19] <Seveas> supybot is broken
[10:20] <elkbuntu> Seveas, no prob, since there's no way im going to send my mindreading skills into *your* brain, i figured repeating was no harm ;)
[10:20] <Seveas> hehe
[10:21] <jenda> 5 AM UTC!!!
[10:22] <Seveas> hehe
[10:22] <jenda> At least I now have ink ;)
[10:22] <elkbuntu> jenda, a short blunt GazzaK?
[10:22] <jenda> I can safely escape from predators.
[10:22] <elkbuntu> as opposed to a long pointy hobbsee ;)
[10:22] <jenda> elkbuntu: I don't know if he's short, and even if he were, I wouldn't be the one to point it out ;)
[10:23] <mneptok> "i said 'all the way'!"
[10:23] <elkbuntu> jenda, nor i -- ask seveas. however i felt the inclusion of the descriptor necessary for the integrity of the pun
[10:23] <jenda>
[10:35] <GazzaK> I am a little short too :'(
[10:35] <GazzaK> only 5'8"
[10:38] <elkbuntu> im 5'1" or something like that
[10:38] <jenda> hehe
[10:38] <jenda> 167 cm :)
[10:38] <GazzaK> whats that then?
[10:38] <jenda> it's actually 1.67 m
[10:38] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, like 5"5
[10:38] <elkbuntu> err 5'5"
[10:38] <GazzaK> ahh, perfect kissing height then
[10:38] <jenda> hehe
[10:39] <GazzaK> it was only a comment
[10:39] <GazzaK> Seveas, what did you learn yesterday then?
[10:39] <Seveas> GazzaK, that we should kick you more often
[10:40] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:41] <GazzaK> but you know I like it
[10:41] <GazzaK> seriously, is the course fun/
[10:42] <elkbuntu> regardless, it gives us precious no-gazzak milliseconds
[10:42] <GazzaK> awww
[10:42] <elkbuntu> hard to believe self kicking is actually a bug...
[10:43] <GazzaK> were you serious or not yesterday Seveas re -offtopic ops
[10:43] <elkbuntu> or, a re-classified bug
[10:43] <GazzaK> is self kicking like self harm?  can you get councelling?
[10:44] <Seveas> GazzaK, I was serious
[10:44] <elkbuntu> psychiatrists will happily take your money for counselling -- regardless of the need
[10:45] <GazzaK> Seveas, in that case, wooo
[10:45] <elkbuntu> Seveas, since the irccouncil currently doesnt exist at the moment, are you going to wait for that?
[10:45] <elkbuntu> s/currently//
[10:45] <GazzaK> is it like a birthday pressie?
[10:45] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I am
[10:46] <Seveas> GazzaK, when's your birthday?
[10:46] <jenda> Seveas: today
[10:46] <jenda> :)
[10:46] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i dont think even a single person has voted for me publicly, lol
[10:46] <Seveas> heh
[10:46] <mneptok> voted?
[10:46] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I have received private votes as well
[10:46] <mneptok> what are we voting for?
[10:47] <elkbuntu> Seveas, hence 'publicly'
[10:47] <Seveas> mneptok, votes for the IRC council -- see ubuntu-irc mailinglist
[10:47] <mneptok> Seveas: ah, haven't read the archives this week
[10:47] <Seveas> mneptok, the meeting this week was quite good
[10:47] <jenda> mneptok: oh be serious.
[10:48] <jenda> Who would vote for you?
[10:48] <mneptok> Seveas: i caught a lot is scrollback, but not 100%
[10:48] <Seveas> mneptok, you 'representative'... :)
[10:48] <jenda>
[10:48] <mneptok> jenda: anyone that doesn't want to be DDoSed.
[10:48] <mneptok> >:)
[10:48] <Seveas> the only thing you represent is the canonical psych ward
[10:48] <elkbuntu> rofl
[10:48] <jenda> haha
[10:48] <GazzaK> hehe
[10:52] <GazzaK> looks normal mneptok
[10:52] <GazzaK> for you
[10:53] <mneptok> ook ook!
[10:53] <elkbuntu> http://www.degredo.net/ <-- rofl rofl rofl
[10:54] <mneptok> you have a black Jujube stuck to you.
[10:55] <mneptok> try not to roll on the floor, dear.
[10:55] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:55] <mneptok> that's better.
[10:56] <elkbuntu> ...
[11:04] <mneptok> there. stop whining. :)
[11:04] <elkbuntu> @lart add shows $who a photo of mneptok
[11:04] <elkbuntu> grr
[11:04] <Seveas> @lart add shows $who a photo of mneptok
[11:05] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i think ubugtu is having issues with me having a member cloak
[11:05] <elkbuntu> or something
[11:05] <Seveas> no
[11:06] <elkbuntu> what hostmask does he have me under then?
[11:06] <Seveas> I'm the only one who can add larts
[11:06] <elkbuntu> oh
[11:06] <elkbuntu> im misreading the error then
[11:06] <elkbuntu> and...
[11:06] <elkbuntu> but whyyyyyyy?
[11:08] <mneptok> if you're asking, you're part of the reason. ;)
[11:08] <elkbuntu> of course i am
[11:10] <elkbuntu> the dear man knows me too well
[11:11] <mneptok> holy fark.
[11:11] <mneptok> did a community member just call me a "dear man?"
[11:11] <elkbuntu> no
[11:11] <mneptok> are there 4 horemen in the sky?
[11:11] <elkbuntu> i was referring to seveas
[11:11] <mneptok> ohthankgawd
[11:12] <elkbuntu> who is of course, my favourite dutchman :) *wipes nose*
[11:12] <Seveas> I guess you don't know other dutchmen :)
[11:13] <elkbuntu> Seveas, i do actually. the other one i know by more than casual aquaintance is a mcse
[11:13] <mneptok> no, it's just that van Gogh smells funny
[11:13] <elkbuntu> so you manage to outrank him thanks to that :
[11:14] <mneptok> there's always ubuntu_demon.
[11:14] <mneptok> he's YADG
[11:14] <Seveas> /cs k mneptok no swearing!
[11:14] <elkbuntu> ,,,
[11:14] <elkbuntu> yadg?
[11:14] <mneptok> Yet Another Dutch Guy
[11:15] <elkbuntu> i hate four letter acronyms as well.
[11:15] <elkbuntu> Seveas, also, cafeugo is in -au ;)
[11:15] <elkbuntu> brb, for the *ines
[11:15] <Seveas> cafuego is not bad :)
[11:20] <GazzaK> mneptok, thats horrid...  I step away for a bit and come back to see that, eww
[11:21] <GazzaK> Seveas, you forgot the
[11:21] <GazzaK> @pity 37 fred
[11:21] <GazzaK> @pity 38 fred
[11:21] <GazzaK> hehe
[11:21] <Seveas> @ignore add GazzaK
[11:21] <GazzaK> :'(
[11:22] <GazzaK> and to think, I just got another ubuntu user :-)
[11:38] <apokryphos> 5 AM :O
[11:42] <mneptok> ooo!
[11:43] <mneptok> 0500UTC!
[11:43] <mneptok> yay
[11:43] <GazzaK> 5am in the morning doesn't exist
[11:44] <Seveas> mneptok, that's the start of your shift, isn't it?
[11:45] <apokryphos> GazzaK: it's the time you get chucked out of the club and begin the cold wait for the first train
[11:45] <GazzaK> ahhh
[11:45] <mneptok> Seveas: it is
[11:45] <Seeker`> there is a 5am at night, but not 5am in the morning
[11:46] <mneptok> (or, rather, 1 hour into it)
[11:46] <GazzaK> Seeker`, agree
[11:46] <GazzaK> whats main point 3 about?
[11:47] <apokryphos> talking over the issue, I gather
[11:47] <GazzaK> I must have missed that
[11:50] <jenda> Right... so I want to complain to my ISP because I have a crappy connection...
[11:50] <mneptok> I AM AS PRETTY AND SOFT AS A MAY MORNING!
[11:51] <jenda> ...but it turns out my ISP has discontinued my phone line...
[11:52] <apokryphos> Seeker`: /msg ubotu lamp  ;-)
[11:53] <GazzaK> jenda, carmageddon
[11:53] <GazzaK> jenda, take up shooting, like me, it really helps
[11:58] <mneptok> Jesus saves, but Gretzky gets the rebound and SCOOOOOOOOOOOORES!
[11:59] <elkbuntu> lol
[12:09] <jenda> GazzaK: I don't see carmageddon on Ubuntu :)
[12:37] <jenda> hey there PriceChild
[12:37] <PriceChild> he jenda
[12:37] <PriceChild> *hey
[01:37] <GazzaK> jenda, thats 'cos it is a old windows game
[01:37] <GazzaK> hey pricey
[02:03] <PriceChild> hey GazzaK :)
[02:03] <PriceChild> Is it your birthday today GazzaK ?
[02:08] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, persen said: !fonts is not doing it for me :/
[02:09] <jenda> GazzaK: I know, and I loved it.
[02:09] <jenda> I enjoyed it most with the GazzaK mod, which replaced all the peeps with you.
[02:44] <GazzaK> jenda, you ain't right :p
[02:45] <GazzaK> PriceChild, yes :-)
[02:46] <PriceChild> happy bday GazzaK :)
[02:46] <GazzaK> thanks pricey
[03:29] <GazzaK> hi LjL
[03:29] <LjL> hi there
[03:30] <gnomefreak> happ birthday GazzaK
[03:30] <gnomefreak> +y
[03:30] <GazzaK> awww, thanks gnomefreak
[03:30] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:31] <GazzaK> Do I now have to be responsible?
[03:31] <LjL> why, are you 21 or something now?
[03:31] <GazzaK> 30!!!
[03:31] <LjL> then you had to be responsible several years ago :P
[03:32] <GazzaK> oops
[03:32] <jenda> GazzaK: but considering you already missed it, no reason to bother any more.
[03:32] <gnomefreak> yay i dont feel so old now
[03:32] <GazzaK> soo...  am I too late then, in that case, I'll forget being responsible and just wait till I go senile
[03:33] <GazzaK> gnomefreak, how old then?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> 30
[03:33] <GazzaK> me too, woo
[03:33] <GazzaK> but i'm 30 today, so that makes you older, old man
[03:34] <gnomefreak> GazzaK: yeah i have about 5 months or so
[03:34] <gnomefreak> until 31
[03:34] <gnomefreak> this seems backasswards
[03:35] <GazzaK> back ass what?
[03:35] <mneptok> wards
[03:37] <GazzaK> yeah, but what seems backasswards?
[03:38] <GazzaK> haha    <livingdaylight> Qball, It takes two to be gay?  <Qball> no, for loving.  <rauble> i dunno man, i've been getting by on 1 pretty ok :-/
[03:40] <Tm_T> Weird world this wifi-thing.
[03:40] <Tm_T> Didn't have wlan stuff in my pc until today, should learn something about this.
[03:42] <mneptok> it's like wired networking, but without the wires.
[03:46] <gnomefreak> anyone speak spanish (i think it is)
[03:47] <GazzaK> the Spaniards do
[03:47] <mneptok> los pesces de babel
[03:48] <gnomefreak> anyone know what this means (el lugar donde se encuentra tu archivo ejemplo
[03:49] <GazzaK> the place where is your file example
[03:49] <GazzaK> says babelfish
[03:49] <mneptok> the location of your example archive
[03:50] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[03:50] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:50] <GazzaK> mneptok, Pienso te quiero, tengo por favor mis perritos
[03:50] <mneptok> quando tu chupa mi culo.
[03:51] <LjL>  /topic #ubuntu-ops Welcome to #ubuntu-offtopic!
[03:52] <GazzaK> sorry LjL
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> We being offtopic now?  /me sends vibes
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> *goooo reeaadd plaaannneetttt*
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> :P
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> And optionally, add yourself to the digg count.
[07:04] <junk1> i was banned from #ubuntu i dont no why an i asked to be unbaned an was told no i was told come in here an ask
[07:04] <gnomefreak> junk1: who told you no?
[07:04] <junk1> seveas
[07:05] <junk1> he said come in here an ask why i was banned
[07:05] <gnomefreak> well you would need to talk to him
[07:05] <junk1> i did he sent me here
[07:05] <gnomefreak> Seveas: you around?
[07:05] <junk1> ill be good i just want to get back in there there nice
[07:07] <nalioth> when were you banned, junk1 ?
[07:07] <junk1> its been a little wile i just got up an runnin kinda
[07:07] <nalioth> same nick?
[07:08] <junk1> i probable bounced in an out or something
[07:08] <junk1> yes
[07:08] <gnomefreak> i dont see a ban set
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> Nor do I
[07:08] <junk1> junk1 or 2 or 3 befor i got it to say junk1 is me
[07:09] <nalioth> i don't see it, either
[07:09] <junk1> im lost
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> junk1: You sure you're actually banned?  try joining again...
[07:09] <junk1> ok if i cant ill come back in 1 sec
[07:09] <gnomefreak> i searched junk 1-3 and hostmask dont see a ban at all
[07:10] <Seveas> I tried /cs u junk1
[07:10] <Seveas> nothing was removed
[07:10] <junk1> now i am lost
[07:10] <Seveas> and it catches all matching bans :)
[07:10] <junk1> i was not alowed in b4 really i wasnt
[07:10] <junk1> it let me in though
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> heh, all righty
[07:11] <junk1>  for #ubuntu  any sorry to bother you
[07:12] <junk1> anyway
[07:12] <junk1> bye
[07:23] <willys_fueguino> hello everyone ;-)
[07:24] <nalioth> hola
[07:24] <willys_fueguino> Seveas: ping?
[07:24] <willys_fueguino> nalioth: :-O hola como andas?
[07:24] <willys_fueguino> :-P
[07:25] <Seveas> willys_fueguino, ?
[07:26] <willys_fueguino> Seveas: now that you're here I would like to apologie for the away message / nick change that cost me a ban
[07:26] <willys_fueguino> It won't happen again ;-)
[07:26] <Seveas> it's ok,the ban is just to make you notice that it's bad :)
[07:26] <willys_fueguino> *Public apology
[07:26] <Seveas> are you still banned anywhere
[07:27] <willys_fueguino> Seveas: ok then that issue is p*pretty* cleared for my now
[07:27] <willys_fueguino> I think not but thanks...
[07:28] <Seveas> we're not too bad in here :)
[07:29] <willys_fueguino> hahahah that's what everyone says :-
[07:29] <Amaranth> Seveas: can you give me access in #ubuntu-xgl?
[07:30] <Seveas> Amaranth, if you edit the IrcTeam/Scope wikipage to include that channel ;)
[07:32] <Amaranth> done ;)
[07:34] <PriceChild> Uuu so you're including us in -xgl under your scope now? :)
[07:35] <willys_fueguino> xD
[07:35] <Amaranth> PriceChild: it's where we send people asking about compiz/beryl
[07:36] <willys_fueguino> SportChick: jajajjaja X'D
[07:36] <Seveas> PriceChild, -xgl was mine anyway
[07:36] <PriceChild> hehe ok :)
[07:36] <Seveas> we should still rename that channel to #ubuntu-effects of something
[07:37] <PriceChild> I just never thought it was really under proper ubuntu-irc control seen as I got given ops in there :)
[07:37] <Seveas> because it covers sooooo much more
[07:37] <apokryphos> I thought that too
[07:37] <PriceChild> hehe yeah
[07:37] <PriceChild> people are just used to the name though :)
[07:37] <apokryphos> the team doesn't use it much
[07:37] <jenda> there's an #ubuntu-desktop-effects I think
[07:37] <apokryphos> and they can use -effects-devel if they have to
[07:37] <Seveas> jenda, that's a devel like channel
[07:37] <Seveas> ah
[07:37] <jenda> nope
[07:37] <Amaranth> i've been talking about renaming it forever
[07:37] <jenda> but something like that.
[07:37] <apokryphos> so let's do it now =)
[07:38] <Amaranth> and #ubuntu-desktop-effects is a dead channel
[07:38] <Amaranth> but is too long to type out :)
[07:38] <PriceChild> Amaranth, yeah but people'll just use #ubuntu-xgl and get redirected :P
[07:38] <Amaranth> heh
[07:38] <apokryphos> are people really talking about -desktop-effects here or -effects?
[07:42] <Amaranth> so, want to hijack #ubuntu-effects then?
[07:42] <Seveas> nh
[07:42] <Seveas> neh
[07:42] <Amaranth> the only use i've ever seen for any of the ubuntu-desktop-effects team IRC channels was a couple beryl developers speaking french
[07:42] <apokryphos> yeah, good idea to speak to dbo first though
[07:42] <Seveas> let's wait for dbo to wake up
[07:42] <apokryphos> there's very rarely any talk in -effects, yeah
[07:43] <PriceChild> Amaranth, why is it there's more french beryl users than anyone else?!
[07:44] <Amaranth> I would think gnomefreak would be the one to talk to, seeing how #ubuntu-effects is supposed to be the official channel for a team he owns
[07:44] <Seveas> hehe
[07:56] <willys_fueguino> I have a question here: The mute command it's just /mute nick??
[07:57] <willys_fueguino> (can't make that work on konversation)
[07:57] <apokryphos> depends on your client
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> depends on your client / script
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> /aq here
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> I think LjL uses Konversation?
[07:57] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: you're on Konversation?
[07:57] <apokryphos> the raw command is: /mode channel +q someuser
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: no, irssi
[07:57] <apokryphos> or /mode channel +b %someuser
[07:57] <willys_fueguino> ohhh I can use the /mode command
[07:58] <willys_fueguino> just to mute someone... +q right??
[07:58] <apokryphos> right
[07:58] <apokryphos> it *might* be /quiet someuser in Konversation..
[07:58] <apokryphos> if not, you can make an alias
[07:59] <nalioth> apokryphos: 'quiet' is a freenode thing
[07:59] <willys_fueguino> mm.... +q == ban
[07:59] <nalioth> apokryphos: i doubt it's built into any clients
[07:59] <apokryphos> hm, ok
[07:59] <willys_fueguino> nalioth: but then the question: Can any op use this feature or just freenode staffers?
[08:00] <nalioth> willys_fueguino: it's available for any channel operator
[08:03] <PriceChild> willys_fueguino, +q isn't a ban... join #pricechild and I'll show you :)
[08:03] <willys_fueguino> mm,.. I do /silence HorD and tells me No such nick /channel
[08:03] <willys_fueguino> PriceChild: ok
[08:22] <LjL> willys_fueguino: /mode #channel +q hostmask is the command in konversation. however it works with the nickname, too, instead of the hostmask, and you can make an alias such as /mute = /mode %c +q (Settings / Configure Konversation / Command aliases)
[08:24] <LjL> Seveas: +1 for -xgl channel rename, i've had a few people yelling at me when redirected because "did you not listen? i want to use aiglx not xgl!"
[08:25] <willys_fueguino> LjL: until "such as" I followed you... but when /mute blabalbla I got lost :-S
[08:26] <LjL> willys_fueguino, Settings / Configure Konversation / Command aliases, click on "New", and type  mute  in the "Alias" textbox, and  /mode %c +q  in the "Replacement" textbox
[08:27] <LjL> then use /mute nickname to mute
[08:28] <willys_fueguino> :-O
[08:28] <willys_fueguino> LjL: uff this will be very useful...
[08:28] <willys_fueguino> thanx
[08:29] <willys_fueguino> (I used x-chat since I started on this)
[08:42] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: ?
[08:44] <gnomefreak> desktop-effect channel is gonna be the new -xgl channel if i ever get a hold of seveas and dbo at the same time and they both have a few minutes
[08:45] <apokryphos> ok, so we're just waiting for DBO
[08:45] <gnomefreak> yes i had asked him a few weeks ago about moving it
[08:45] <gnomefreak> hes been really busy iirc
[08:46] <apokryphos> and what did he think?
[08:46] <gnomefreak> he said to do it but he didnt have time
[08:46] <gnomefreak> something about moving access list over
[08:46] <gnomefreak> i think
[08:46] <Amaranth> if he said to do it then it can be done easily
[08:46] <apokryphos> cool; we can do it. We'll just wait till Seveas is back now, then.
[08:46] <apokryphos> ok, dinner
[08:46] <Amaranth> just need him to give someone 30 access if he doesn't have time
[08:47] <apokryphos> gnomefreak's got 30
[08:47] <gnomefreak> in where?
[08:47] <apokryphos> -effects
[08:47] <Amaranth> good to go then?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> oh
[08:47] <gnomefreak> yes i would say so. we would have to set a foward from -xgl too
[08:47] <apokryphos> back in a few
[08:47] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: that's no problem
[08:54] <gnomefreak> jenda is staff right?
[08:54] <SportChick> gnomefreak: yes he is
[08:54] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:01] <jenda> yep
[09:01] <jenda> SportChick: jeez... do you have a highlight on 'staff' or 'jenda' or 'is'?
[09:02] <SportChick> jenda: whenever I'm on stats p, I have hilight on staff and stats
[09:02] <jenda> ;)
[09:02] <jenda> cool
[09:02] <SportChick> jenda: I have it as part of my script
[09:02] <SportChick> turns the hiilight on and off when I sign on and off stats p
[09:03] <jenda> irssi has cool features, I'll admit ;)
[09:06] <SportChick> jenda: <3 irssi
[09:12] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: ok, so let's do it
[09:14] <apokryphos> Amaranth: you here?
[09:14] <LjL> dynamic highlights, wow, that sounds useful
[09:15] <LjL> (as would be per-channel highlights, but i guess real clients have those)
[09:16] <gnomefreak> ok how should we do this?
[09:16] <apokryphos> simple, announcement in the channel and then kicks :P
[09:16] <gnomefreak> i would like a smooth transfer if at all possible
[09:16] <LjL> kicks aren't smooth? :P
[09:17] <LjL> should i start changing the bot factoids, in the meanwhile?
[09:17] <apokryphos> yeah, thanks
[09:17] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: we'll make the announcement, but we can't hang around to wait
[09:18] <apokryphos> LjL: argh, ubotu won't be in there
[09:18] <apokryphos> could you make ubotwo join?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> is Seveas still around to join ubotu?
[09:19] <apokryphos> guess not
[09:19] <gnomefreak> LjL: is your bot online atm?
[09:20] <LjL> gnomefreak: not when you asked
[09:20] <gnomefreak> can we get him in #ubuntu-effects until we can get a hold of seveas
[09:20] <LjL> done
[09:20] <apokryphos> thanks LjL =)
[09:20] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:24] <apokryphos> cool, all done :)
[09:24] <apokryphos> ok, I'm out for now
[09:24] <gnomefreak> its moved now i can play with my autojoin again
[09:25] <apokryphos> 8)
[09:29] <gnomefreak> !xgl
[09:29] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:29] <gnomefreak> oh goodie
[09:45] <LjL> no channel-specific factoids on ubotwo, sorry
[09:45] <LjL> at least - not by simply calling them, you can add -#ubuntu-effects to the factoid
[09:45] <PriceChild> Not good enough LjL :P
[09:46] <LjL> sorry but can't fix now, going out :P
[09:47] <PriceChild> was only sarcasm :)
[09:47] <PriceChild> hmm all the factoids for -#ubuntu-xgl will be useless now and need to be moved? :(
[09:57] <nalioth> Seveas: may be able to find-and-replace in the configs, PriceChild
[09:58] <PriceChild> Sounds good :)
[10:08] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: the xgl is for all composites now. people got used to using and callling it xgl and some people are using beryl-xgl on dapper :(
[10:12] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, yeah I know :)
[10:13] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, shall I set up a forward from -xgl to -effects ?
[10:13] <gnomefreak> already done
[10:13] <PriceChild> It isn't...
[10:13] <PriceChild> I just joined...
[10:13] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: said it was
[10:13] <PriceChild> nope...
[10:13] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yes please do and remove anyone in there
[10:18] <PriceChild> nalioth, gnomefreak sorted :D
[10:18] <gnomefreak> good :)
[10:18] <gnomefreak> ty nalioth
[10:18] <PriceChild> thanks :)
[10:31] <Seveas> nalioth, even better ;)
[10:32] <Seveas> %join #ubuntu-effects
[10:32] <Seveas> %config channel #ubuntu-xgl plugins.encyclopedia.database
[10:32] <ubotu> ubuntu
[10:32] <Seveas> ooh crap
[10:32] <Seveas> even worse
[10:32] <tonyyarusso> eh?
[10:32] <Seveas> ok, that needs some manual tweaking
[10:32] <Seveas> %config list plugins.encyclopedia
[10:32] <ubotu> #database, #fallbackdb, #searchorder, aptdir, datadir, fallbackchannel, logdir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel
[10:34] <gnomefreak> ty seveas for joining the bot
[10:55] <willys_fueguino> Seveas: ping?
[10:55] <Seveas> willys_fueguino, ?
[10:55] <willys_fueguino> Seveas: there's a web page with ubotu factoids right??
[10:56] <Seveas> yes
[10:56] <Seveas> !help
[10:56] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:56] <Seveas> !bot
[10:56] <willys_fueguino> I wan't to "translate" some factoids to add the "spanish version" to my bot
[10:57] <gnomefreak> willys_fueguino: theres abunch of them go to the first link given above and have fun ;)
[10:57] <Seveas> sort by popularity :)
[10:57] <willys_fueguino> gnomefreak: hahahha I will ;-)
[10:57] <willys_fueguino> :-O
[10:58] <willys_fueguino> popularity == times called?
[10:58] <Seveas> yup
[10:59] <willys_fueguino> uff... I can't see how many factoids it haves
[11:00] <willys_fueguino> (LOTS of them)
[11:00] <Seveas> sqlite> select count(*) from facts;
[11:00] <Seveas> 1358
[11:01] <willys_fueguino> :-( ...
[11:02] <willys_fueguino> I'll have pretty much "fun" then...
[11:04] <willys_fueguino> mm... if I translate some of those factoids could I load the translations to launchpad/wiki ??
[11:05] <maxamillion> are there any core devs in here atm?
[11:05] <Seveas> no
[11:05] <maxamillion> bah ... ok, thanks
[11:05] <Seveas> maxamillion, they don't hang out in here
[11:05] <Seveas> willys_fueguino, why not?
[11:05] <Seveas> factoids are free :)
[11:05] <maxamillion> Seveas: i thought hobsee was a core dev
[11:06] <Seveas> maxamillion, oooh good on
[11:06] <Seveas> one*
[11:06] <maxamillion> i guess not
[11:06] <Seveas> I keep forgetting that
[11:06] <maxamillion> wait, she is?
[11:06] <somerville32> No, she isn't
[11:06] <maxamillion> now i'm confused
[11:06] <maxamillion> oh ok
[11:09] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, faLUCE said: ubotu: ok but which is the corresponding line that i shuold add to the repos list, in adept, corresponding to /pub/ubuntu/archive/pool/universe/ ?
[11:09] <somerville32> !bot > faLUCE
[11:09] <willys_fueguino> jjajajjaja
[11:09] <willys_fueguino> X'D
[11:10] <willys_fueguino> Noob question: when ubotu reports here with messages like that, it's saying that *that* factoid its getting stored??
[11:11] <PriceChild> willys_fueguino, no... just that someone suggested the change
[11:11] <PriceChild> willys_fueguino, only a few people have access to change things :)
[11:12] <MuffY> yo
[11:12] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: did you attempt hte kiba-dock build?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> hi muffy
[11:12] <MuffY> i just god banned for saying the f word
[11:12] <MuffY> i copied it with a quote
[11:12] <MuffY> how long will the ban last?
[11:12] <PriceChild> Seveas, ^
[11:12] <gnomefreak> !language
[11:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:13] <MuffY> hey gnomefreak =)
[11:13] <gnomefreak> MuffY: that goes for all ubuntu channels :)
[11:13] <MuffY> you ops?
[11:13] <MuffY> :|
[11:13] <MuffY> wow
[11:13] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, I haven't yet... need to use ssh tunneling to get around proxy for cvs so I'll try this evening
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yes im a little bit of everything
[11:13] <PriceChild> MuffY, everyone here with voice is an op somewhere or other :)
[11:13] <MuffY> but do you know how long it'll last?
[11:13] <willys_fueguino> oks.... when I'll go start translating the factoids.... see you later folks ;-)
[11:13] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: im gonna try it again on feisty but checkinstall fails to build the .deb
[11:13] <willys_fueguino> *well
[11:13] <gnomefreak> so i might have to do it in pbuilder
[11:14] <PriceChild> MuffY, I've pinged Seve as for you, he made the ban so he'll get back to you when he has time
[11:14] <MuffY> ok
[11:14] <MuffY> ty, PriceChild
[11:16] <MuffY> so this is where banned people go
[11:16] <gnomefreak> not always
[11:16] <MuffY> you can be banned from here?
[11:16] <MuffY> that would officially suck =p
[11:17] <Seveas> /ban MuffY it does :)
[11:17] <MuffY> ah, seveas
[11:17] <Seveas> MuffY, behave in the future please
[11:17] <MuffY> so you are the big bad mod =p
[11:17] <MuffY> yeah, sorry
[11:17] <MuffY> i have to watch my copy pasting
[11:17] <Seveas> MuffY, no, the big bad one is gnomefreak
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:18] <MuffY> ah ok
[11:18] <Seveas> I'm the small evil one
[11:18] <MuffY> a wolf in sheeps clothes
[11:18] <Seveas> PriceChild, is the weird one
[11:18] <MuffY> yay for PriceChild!
[11:18] <somerville32> : )
[11:18] <PriceChild> Who's talking about me?
[11:18] <PriceChild> :)
[11:18] <MuffY> the small evil mod
[11:19] <PriceChild> ah I'm the wierd one... why am I weird? :)
[11:19] <MuffY> i dunno
[11:19] <MuffY> Seveas said so =p
[11:19] <PriceChild> I suppose I'll live with one :P
[11:19] <MuffY> i i didn;t dare to question him
[11:19] <PriceChild> yup.. therefore gospel
[11:19] <PriceChild> At least I have a title :)
[11:20] <MuffY> i have one too:
[11:24] <MuffY> i think i'll leave here =o
[11:25] <MuffY> thanks for reminding me on the family thing ;)
[12:00] <SecrethX> hmm.. apparently im banned in #ubuntu because I did an /ame, but I didnt even know that was forbidden.. so I say sorry and Im asking here if my ban can be removed :o
[12:02] <nalioth> SecrethX: when was this?
[12:02] <SecrethX> nalioth, yesterday
[12:02] <nalioth> i see. ban evasion, too
[12:03] <SecrethX> nalioth, yes because I didnt knew why I was banned
[12:03] <nalioth> you'll have to wait for seveas
[12:03] <SecrethX> nalioth, I know that, im trying to contact him here :P
[12:04] <nalioth> SecrethX: he's not around currently, you can pull up a chair and wait
[12:04] <SecrethX> nalioth, no problem :)
[12:05] <Seveas> mneptok, so how's woody doing?
[12:06] <SecrethX> Hi Seveas, can my ban in ubuntu be removed please? :o
[12:06] <SecrethX> (I hereby apologise too..)
[12:09] <grte> Hello, would anyone be able to help me out with a problem with #ubuntu-offtopic?
[12:10] <PriceChild> what's up grte ?
[12:10] <PriceChild> SecrethX, hehe wrong way round :P
[12:11] <grte> Well, awhile ago I accidentally got myself banned.
[12:11] <grte> I had an irssi script which used pi in various ways, and I forgot the syntax.
[12:11] <grte> So, I ended up typing /pi, which is apparently an irssi shortcut to ping everybody in the channel.
[12:11] <SecrethX> PriceChild, what do you mean?
[12:11] <grte> After which, I was autobanned.
[12:12] <grte> I was wondering if it would be possible to get the ban revoked, it was completely accidental.
[12:12] <PriceChild> SecrethX, as in you should apolgise.. then ask for forgiveness :P
[12:12] <SecrethX> PriceChild, oh yeah
[12:13] <nalioth> grte: go and sin no more  :)
[12:13] <grte> nalioth: Thanks muchly.
[12:15] <SecrethX> thanks
[12:17] <nalioth> bots are among us
[12:18] <nalioth> #ubuntu-unregged is open for business
[12:18] <PriceChild> :)
[12:19] <nalioth> Seveas: these change nicks
[12:19] <nalioth> Seveas: we've been chasing them and killing them
[12:19] <Seveas> ah ok
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> aw man....