[00:57] <mrmacplus> well this sucks
[00:58] <mrmacplus> trying to get xubuntu installed on a friends satellite
[01:02] <mrmacplus> and it doesn't recognize the full scren resolution
[01:02] <knome> !resolution
[01:06] <mrmacplus> thanks for that
[01:06] <mrmacplus> even though I'm not a linux noob
[01:06] <mrmacplus> it seems to be a bug with the toshiba satellite l505d
[01:08] <ron_o> why would it be a bug in the Satellite?  Could be hardware based.
[01:12] <mrmacplus> reinstalled windows 7 using this Tiny7 install disk
[01:12] <mrmacplus> it only goes to 1024x768
[01:13] <ron_o> any excuse, like installing another OS, might let companies get off the hook for supporting it.
[01:13] <mrmacplus> ah
[01:13] <ron_o> IMO, Windows sucks to install from scratch. Most machines come with it installed, and that's where their money lies.
[01:14] <mrmacplus> well
[01:14] <mrmacplus> i've heard ubuntu 9.04 works
[01:14] <mrmacplus> but that 9.10 doesn't
[01:16] <ron_o> try a Sabayon Live CD and see if it works..
[01:16] <ron_o> it has kernel 2.6.32.xx
[01:16] <mrmacplus> time to waste another cd :)
[01:16] <ron_o> Sabayon is a Gentoo fork
[01:16] <ron_o> it's the kernel that matters here.
[01:16] <mrmacplus> ew
[01:17] <mrmacplus> no portage please
[01:17] <mrmacplus> and I'm running low on cds
[01:17] <ron_o> nahh, just to see if it's a kernel issue.
[01:17] <ron_o> well, for a new computer you could use a thumb drive.
[01:18] <mrmacplus> can't spare a flash drive
[01:18] <mrmacplus> right now at least
[01:18] <ron_o> I had an intel that needed a very up to date kernel, and Sabayon saved me until the kernel was upgraded.
[01:18] <mrmacplus> i know about unetbootin
[01:18] <mrmacplus> what does Fedora 12 or whatever's the latest have?
[01:18] <ron_o> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora
[01:19] <ron_o> the very lates: linux (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[01:19] <ron_o> same as Sabayon's...
[01:19] <mrmacplus> so tiny7 doesn't have the wireless drivers either
[01:19] <ron_o> Go Live first, then dive. :)
[01:19] <mrmacplus> we might just use his restore disks
[01:20] <ron_o> yah.
[01:20] <mrmacplus> despite the bloatware
[01:21] <ron_o> getting xfce on fedora, is that hard?
[01:21] <mrmacplus> i wouldn't think so
[01:21] <mrmacplus> we're not planning on using xfce though
[01:21] <ron_o> it supports it. I hear so much about fedora, I'd like to try it.
[01:21] <mrmacplus> something like openbox
[01:22] <ron_o> I like fluxbox, but I install xfce and then install fluxbox.. that way there's support from the community without going it alone.
[01:23] <mrmacplus> i dislike fluxbox
[01:23] <ron_o> I've got a new hard drive, and am not sure how I want to partition it. Should I dual boot with another OS, or just use Virtualization.
[01:23] <ron_o> so hard to decide.
[01:23] <mrmacplus> dualboot
[01:24] <ron_o> dual boot is great, since you might screw up your other OS. However, a liveCD can do as well.
[01:24] <ron_o> Even with a core2duo overclocked, virualization takes a huge hit on resources.
[01:24] <mrmacplus> so here comes bloatware
[01:25] <mrmacplus> Windows 7 restore disks :(
[01:26] <ron_o> man, I love windows in a way. There's no OS with so many choices for apps... I hate it because you can't do anything without an application.. sucks sometimes... but I really hate it because it's so darn insecure.
[01:27] <ron_o> if they could fix that part I'd go back in a second.
[01:27] <Deviouz> hi ron
[01:27] <mrmacplus> oh, it seems as though we can still dual-boot even while using the toshiba restore disks
[01:27] <ron_o> hey Deviouz
[01:27] <mrmacplus> bueno
[01:27] <Deviouz> if you will do a dual boot, make sure you install the windows first, otherwice it will kill grub
[01:27] <mrmacplus> i know
[01:27] <ron_o> mrmacplus, don't know your level, but you need to install linux last.
[01:28] <ron_o> hehe. :)
[01:28] <Deviouz> yesp:P
[01:28] <mrmacplus> i'm not that much of a noob
[01:28] <ron_o> same thought....
[01:28] <Deviouz> alrighty then:)
[01:28] <mrmacplus> two years ago today I killed this comps MBR
[01:28] <mrmacplus> while trying to install linux to an external drive
[01:28] <mrmacplus> it was Mandriva Linux
[01:30] <mrmacplus> we just need to get linux for him so he can use the net securely
[01:30] <mrmacplus> without antivirus software taking up resources
[01:33] <ron_o> hehe, so true. re: antivirus..
[01:34] <mrmacplus> so the recover disks have an option to install to the first patition
[01:34] <mrmacplus> so I'm gonna use gparted to get the drive partitioned
[01:35] <mrmacplus> you just gotta love over complicated installs xD
[01:36] <mrmacplus> well the screen res is better now
[01:39] <ron_o> in paritioning a harddrive, is there any benefit to having a primary partition over a logical parition?
[01:39] <ron_o> like should /boot be on a primary and should /home be on a primary?
[01:40] <mrmacplus> not sure :P
[01:40] <mrmacplus> but xubuntu doesn't appear to recognize the keyboard
[01:42] <mrmacplus> so I'm rebooting
[01:43] <mrmacplus> this is more work than it should be
[01:44] <mrmacplus> and even then there's no wireless networking
[01:44] <mrmacplus> so i'll have to use ndiswrapper
[01:44] <ron_o> it doesn't make a difference. A partition is a partition.
[01:45] <mrmacplus> i know
[01:45] <mrmacplus> but I have to type gparted :p
[01:45] <ron_o> I meant for me... hehe..
[01:45] <ron_o> talk about being self involved. :)
[01:47] <mrmacplus> woo!
[01:48] <mrmacplus> the keyboard works
[01:48] <ron_o> mrmacplus, you just look like you are enjoying yourself way too much. :)
[01:48] <ron_o> and I thought it was worry before.
[01:48] <ron_o> you were actually bragging instead.
[01:48] <mrmacplus> and now I'm gonna allocate 30gb to windows
[01:49] <ron_o> only 30GB? that's just for the OS, no?
[01:49] <mrmacplus> then the rest to a files partition and linux
[01:50] <mrmacplus> 30gb isn't enough for just a windows 7 install?
[01:51] <mrmacplus> i've fit it under 20gb
[01:51] <ron_o> wbat a fricking pig!
[01:51] <ron_o> man, that's huge/
[01:51] <ron_o> no wonder why Vista didn't work.
[01:53] <mrmacplus> well, here goes :P
[01:53] <ron_o> I bet the Windows programmers were following the scrape, patch and tape programming techniques to get it all running.
[01:53] <mrmacplus> haha yeah
[01:54] <ron_o> that's one thing about the open source community. You can only hide bad programming for so long.
[01:54] <ron_o> I mean, Ubuntu can still fit an entire OS in under 700MB..
[01:55] <sugar2k> liking xbuntu 9.10 on my CF72 Toughbook
[01:55] <ron_o> even under 4.7GB, some are embarrassed at its size.
[01:55] <ron_o> sugar2k, got a new HD and am going to upgrade soon.
[01:56] <sugar2k> cool ! new HD space is good...
[01:56] <ron_o> 1TB..
[01:56] <sugar2k> nice
[01:57] <ron_o> however, it's mostly to consolidate some older HDs and also I have some with some screwed up OSs... I have to gather the data off them and retire it.
[01:57] <ron_o> plus, my other HDs will be for just backup...
[01:57] <sugar2k> yeah, i run ubuntu 9.10, kubuntu 8.04 and openSUSE 11.2 & Xbuntu - too many distros ;)
[01:58] <ron_o> wow, yah.. confusing..
[01:58] <sugar2k> i do wish xbuntu had better menu editing
[01:58] <ron_o> I go with xubuntu and stick with fluxbox as my main.
[01:58] <ron_o> I know.. it has nothing for menu editing.
[01:59] <sugar2k> i like openbox, Crunchbang on the Dell Mini 9
[01:59] <ron_o> strangely, fluxbox does.
[01:59] <Sysi> isn't there menuconfig in 8.04?
[01:59] <sugar2k> might try fluxbox on xbuntu
[01:59] <ron_o> Sysi, yah, but not what you think it is...
[01:59] <ron_o> it's very, very basic.
[02:00] <Sysi> well, idk, never needed that
[02:00] <ron_o> it should be called, menu-config-fantasy.
[02:00] <ron_o> sugar2k, the thing about fluxbox is that all configs are in text files..
[02:00] <ron_o> easily understood, easily manipluated; well, only after you learn the syntax
[02:01] <sugar2k> i worked out a nice Conky file on #!
[02:01] <ron_o> yah, Conky.. great.
[02:01] <ron_o> fkuxbox, really doesn't have such things as applets and the panel sucks.
[02:02] <Sysi> openbox don't have any useless panel by default
[02:02] <knome> gosh, micro machines is way too hard
[02:02] <ron_o> I went back to XFCE a while back for 3D desktop... what's it called? Beryl?
[02:03] <knome> compiz
[02:03] <ron_o> and it was cool for about 10 minutes.
[02:03] <sugar2k> i like the light pc, make you learn a bit...
[02:03] <ron_o> yah, Beryl and Compiz joined or something.
[02:03] <Sysi> and became to compiz fusion
[02:03] <mrmacplus> I love openbox
[02:03] <mrmacplus> or PekWM
[02:03] <ron_o> the problem is, no matter how fast any system is, conservation of resources is always a valid attitude.
[02:04] <ron_o> I mean, I've got a core2duo overclocked and sometimes programs kill my CPU (when they go awry)
[02:05] <mrmacplus> this is like a 2.2ghz turion
[02:05] <ron_o> it's like, resources are free to take as long as they are there, ya know.
[02:05] <mrmacplus> the one i'm repairing is
[02:05] <mrmacplus> my main comp is a 733mhz G4
[02:07] <sugar2k> i like Crunchbang cause it's light and dark..
[02:08] <mrmacplus> now it's not automounting these drives
[02:08] <mrmacplus> oh well
[02:10] <mrmacplus> I'll go with Fedora
[02:10] <mrmacplus> probably
[02:11] <Sysi> fedora is nice, but ubuntu seems to work more often
[02:11] <mrmacplus> however
[02:11] <mrmacplus> 9.10 doesn't have acpi support with this comp
[02:12] <Sysi> i don't have 9.10 support
[02:14] <sugar2k> i have Chrome and T-Bird 3 running in Xbuntu 9.10
[02:15] <sugar2k> later - everyone have a great new Decade !!
[02:19] <ron_o> ext4 over ext3?
[02:19] <ron_o> really, ext4 was what ext3 was supposed to be, right?
[02:19] <Sysi> ext4 ♥
[02:19] <Sysi> ext4 is faster
[02:19] <ron_o> ext4 is that good?
[02:20] <ron_o> should all partitions be ext4?
[02:20] <Sysi> well, i use that
[02:20] <Sysi> swap shouldn't :P
[02:20] <ron_o> hehe..
[02:20] <knome> ehm
[02:20] <knome> good night guys
[02:20] <knome> have fun
[02:20] <ron_o> Windows souldn't either? ;->
[02:20] <Sysi> g'night
[02:21] <Sysi> or morning
[02:21] <ron_o> you know, I was thinking the difference between Windows and Open Source OS, Linux in this case. And with Windows you are generally held to their standard.. you must use their file system.
[02:22] <ron_o> there's so many choices in linux.. like Reiser or XFE (is it?)..
[02:22] <ron_o> for a production machine I would think the filing system would be very important indeed.
[02:22] <ron_o> a filesystem*
[02:23] <ron_o> too many beers. :)
[02:23] <Deviouz> exuse me but I gotto drop in, ext3 is actually better than ext4 in one sence
[02:24] <Deviouz> with ext 3 you can allways restore data deleted by misstake, in ext4 there is no way to do this
[02:24] <ron_o> well, Reiser is better for small files, like on certain web servers... but it's not great for a general use filesystem, IMHO.
[02:24] <ron_o> ext3 is just ext2 Journalled, yes.
[02:25] <Deviouz> ext4 is pretty fast though, I hope it will be as good as ext3 some day
[02:33] <ron_o> I'm going to go with ext4 with backup of anything important.
[02:34] <ron_o> the thing is we need to add perfomance now to any filesystem, because the HDs are getting so darn big and now we have SSDs..
[02:34] <ron_o> wow, things are getting complicated to say the least. Nothing is easy with computers.
[02:37] <ron_o> Can HDs actually get much bigger than 2TB without creating too much heat? I doubt it.
[02:38] <ron_o> well, SSDs can, but not the spindle kind.
[02:38] <ron_o> that's one reason why I didn't go to 1.5TB and stuck with a 1TB.. I heard so many problems with 1.5TB drives, I was hoping I could avoid disaster.
[05:41] <Balsaq> jotta aivan -lta te joka kirjailla ilmaista koodikielellä , kiittää te
[06:27] <Moon_Doggy> hi
[06:28] <Balsaq> welcome to xubutu Moon_Doggy
[06:29] <Balsaq> xubuntu i meant
[06:29] <Moon_Doggy> when i started up 2 hours ago my panels were gone and totem and x-chat started by them selfs, but x-chats network list was missing
[06:29] <Moon_Doggy> too
[06:29] <Balsaq> i hate that when that happens
[06:31] <Moon_Doggy> do you know why it happens
[06:31] <Balsaq> not a clue
[06:32] <Moon_Doggy> ANYWAY TO FIX
[06:32] <Moon_Doggy> sry
[06:32] <Moon_Doggy> bout caps
[06:34] <Balsaq> are you on a computer that has xubuntu installed to the hard drive all by itself?
[06:34] <Moon_Doggy> yes
[06:36] <Balsaq> i am a non tech Moon_Doggy so i am hoping that one of the Pro's steps in here...i use 9.04 and have never had any issues, so i am not a good one too help
[06:36] <Balsaq> are you on 9.10?
[06:36] <Moon_Doggy> yea
[06:43] <mrmacplus> well
[06:43] <mrmacplus> I got xubuntu installed on this
[06:44] <mrmacplus> but I can't find out how to edit GRUB or find out which wireless driver to install under ndiswrapper
[06:46] <mrmacplus> lspci says this comp has a realtek 8172
[06:46] <mrmacplus> as wireless
[06:47] <mrmacplus> and I can only boot the computer with the boot param scpi=off
[06:47] <mrmacplus> *acpi=off
[06:49] <mrmacplus> any ideas?
[07:10] <crawler> hi.  my VNC server dies at least 3 or 4 times per day, and i have to restart it (using the command: x11vnc -safer -usepw -forever).  is there a log file or some way to diagnose why this is happening?
[10:54] <silare> hi all. How do I import Albatross's window border theme to GNOME?
[10:54] <silare> Or is there an import out there? I can't find one.
[10:55] <Ov3rf10w> if you using ubuntu go to #ubuntu
[11:08] <silare> I'm on Xubuntu right now. I have a friend asking if there's a way to make a port.
[16:48] <Skinkie> hi all, is it possible to directly upgrade from 8.10 to 9.10?
[16:48] <Skinkie> i have installed 8.04, and it forced me to do 8.10... but i rather want to avoid 9.04
[16:56] <likemindead> !upgrade
[16:56] <likemindead> (Sorry... I've always gone for fresh installs...)
[16:57] <Sysi> /msg ubottu upgrade
[16:58] <Sysi> or /msg ubottu upgrade | <nick>
[16:58] <Skinkie> i'm going to try the .iso upgrade using the cdrom upgrade feature
[19:12] <hal> Happy New Year!
[19:15] <likemindead> :::shrug:::
[19:24] <ron_o> when you format a HD in ext4 (this time), why is 2-3% of each partition used?
[19:24] <ron_o> and, yah, Happy New Year...
[19:28] <ron_o> nevermind. Ext4 uses space for the journal..
[19:28] <ron_o> didn't know it would be that much.
[19:28] <ron_o> I was figuring like 50MB of so..
[19:31] <ron_o> from wikipedia: Some file systems allow the journal to grow, shrink and be re-allocated just as would a regular file; most, however, put the journal in a contiguous area or a special hidden file that is guaranteed not to move or change size while the file system is mounted.
[19:32] <ron_o> obviously, a static journal is safest. Perhaps too, less chance of fragmentation.
[20:30] <pdg1> I've got a really basic question. I went from Ubuntu to xubuntu. I've got two HDD's. an 8GB and a 250GB. I used the install wizard and selected the full space of the 8GB HDD... but I can't remember how to remount the 250GB. I've been searching for a while now and I'm starting to feel really dumb
[20:34] <djura-san> mount -t your_fs(ext2,3,4...) /disk /mount_point
[20:34] <djura-san> like: "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda4 /media/disk"
[20:35] <pdg1> what if i can't find it in media
[20:35] <pdg1> oh
[20:36] <pdg1> nevvermind
[20:36] <djura-san> :)
[20:36] <djura-san> create mount point wherever you want
[20:37] <Deviouz> if you want it mounted on startup, then you must edit fstab
[20:37] <Deviouz> otehrwice you must do it every time you boot
[20:37] <Deviouz> put this in your /etc/fstab file "/dev/sda2       /media/media     ext3    defaults        0       2"
[20:38] <Deviouz> without the quotes
[20:38] <pdg1> frriiick... I hate being stupid
[20:38] <pdg1> alright.. thanks :D
[20:39] <pdg1> oh... how do i find out what filesystems i have to mount?
[20:39] <pdg1> isn't it like... mount fs ls
[20:39] <pdg1> or somehting
[20:39] <Deviouz> what fs do you have on that disk?
[20:39] <Ov3rf10w> df
[20:40] <Deviouz> did you format the disc in linux?
[20:40] <Deviouz> or windows?
[20:40] <pdg1> you like.. what format is it in?
[20:40] <pdg1> it's ext3
[20:40] <Deviouz> then you just put that as I said and reboot the computer
[20:40] <Deviouz> no need to do anything more
[20:41] <pdg1> okay. but i mean... how do i find out if it's sda1.. sda2
[20:41] <pdg1> etc...
[20:41] <Deviouz> sda1 is allways the system
[20:41] <Deviouz> and any other will be sda2, sda3 and so on
[20:42] <pdg1> so it must be sda2 because i have no other drives
[20:43] <Deviouz> I see
[20:43] <Deviouz> you can type "df" in the terminal
[20:43] <Deviouz> then you get a list of all avalible HDD's
[20:44] <pdg1> oh, that's what the other guy said :P
[20:44] <Deviouz> oh, yes he did:)
[20:48] <Deviouz> you see the disk pdg1?
[20:49] <Deviouz> if not you can try df -a
[20:52] <pdg1> hmm I'll paste what i see
[20:53] <Deviouz> ok
[20:53] <pdg1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/350093/
[20:54] <Deviouz> hm, do you have the other hdd on a controller?
[20:54] <pdg1> i sure as snot hope i didn't accidentally reformat that HDD in my drunken new years stupor
[20:54] <Deviouz> lol
[20:54] <Deviouz> I not see your other hdd in there
[20:55] <Deviouz> open terminal and type "df -a" and paste again
[20:55] <pdg1> it was like... 3:00 and i got the great idea to isntall Xubuntu :P
[20:55] <pdg1> lol
[20:56] <Deviouz> anyway you seem to have installed xubuntu on the right one:)
[20:56] <pdg1> yeah..  Maxtor i think
[21:00] <pdg1> IDe
[21:00] <Deviouz> is it the older type with a flat cable or a thin cable?
[21:00] <Deviouz> oh
[21:00] <pdg1> yeah... older :P
[21:01] <pdg1> maybe a reboot would resolve?
[21:01] <Deviouz> do you know how to a ide disk depending if master or slave?
[21:01] <pdg1> yeah
[21:01] <Deviouz> if you have it on the far end of the cable, you should put it as master right?
[21:02] <Deviouz> in middle ,slave
[21:02] <pdg1> the 8GB is set to master... none of them are on cable select
[21:02] <Deviouz> thats wierd?
[21:02] <Deviouz> hey, do this
[21:03] <Deviouz> install gparted and have a look at it
[21:03] <pdg1> good idea :P
[21:03] <Deviouz> "sudo apt-get install gparted"
[21:03] <balvonas> diots
[21:03] <balvonas> idiots
[21:03] <Deviouz> lol
[21:03] <Deviouz> you have a better suggestion?
[21:04] <balvonas> cfdisk
[21:04] <Deviouz> that kinda dangerous for a noob dont you think?
[21:04] <balvonas> to see something without changing?
[21:05] <balvonas> of course it's safe
[21:06] <pdg1> yeah...  I found it. cool. but I've got sda1 and sda2 as well as sda5 which is a swap
[21:40] <PDG1> I'm not sure... but I think that means i did something wrong when i formated the drive
[21:46] <bboyx> Any help for installing  and using applications. Installed google earth via package manager but can not find or open?/
[21:50] <PDG1> that's odd
 maybe it could help if you type googleearth in terminal?
[22:23] <ron_o> Deviouz, you didn't ask him quick enough. :/
[22:24] <ron_o> I'm going to install Xubuntu 9.10 on a new HD on my system, while keeping my old hard drive intact. I'm just going to install and then change the boot order in my BIOS. Are there any issues with doing something like this?
[22:24] <ron_o> I don't think there should be.
[22:25] <ron_o> I did this before years ago, and for some reason (maybe coincidence) the file system got hosed on my other hard drive.
[22:25] <Deviouz> oh, sorry, Im cahtting in several channels here
[22:26] <Deviouz> you will still have the old OS on the old HDD?
[22:26] <ron_o> I've tried to avoid that, if it could even happen, by using gparted to do all my HD partitioning and file system creation.
[22:26] <ron_o> Yes..
[22:26] <ron_o> still have it on the old HD.
[22:27] <Deviouz> and what is that? windows?
[22:27] <ron_o> no, xubuntu 9.04..
[22:27] <ron_o> I'm using old HDs as backups and/or storage...
[22:27] <Deviouz> I recommend removing that disk, otherwice it will be confused about wich one to start, if you are having grub on both
[22:27] <ron_o> eventually, I'll be deleting everything on old HDs and having everything on this one.
[22:28] <ron_o> but if I change things in my bios, grub won't have a chance of getting confused.
[22:29] <Deviouz> grub is still the starter for your two disks,
[22:29] <ron_o> removing it won't be a big deal.
[22:29] <ron_o> I'll do that.
[22:29] <Deviouz> yes just disconnect it if you are not using it, then you are on the safe side
[22:29] <ron_o> but when I use it in the future to copy my /home directory, won't that cause any issues?
[22:30] <Deviouz> you will have the system on this new disk and home on the old?
[22:30] <Deviouz> im not sure I understand your setup here
[22:31] <PDG1> i'm still confused. xubuntu ran super before i made the switch to 9.10 why is it eating my computer alive?
[22:31] <ron_o> let me explain. I have a few disks I'm running with this system I am on now (9.04). I bought a new HD, which I want to install 9.10 on, from a clean install...
[22:32] <ron_o> I want to use my new HD, the 1TB drive and use my old Hard Drives as backups...
[22:32] <ron_o> PDG1, run htop and see what's eating up your resources, to start.
[22:33] <Deviouz> and you will also use that old system disk as backup?
[22:33] <PDG1> WAH only 5000k free in memory
[22:33] <ron_o> Deviouz, well, no... the old system will be erased, eventually, and I'll be using the old hard drives as backup..
[22:34] <ron_o> PDG1, what's eating up all your memory? Click on MEM at the top and it will show you which app is killing your system.
[22:34] <Deviouz> you still have things on it you want to save?
[22:34] <ron_o> yes..
[22:34] <Deviouz> I see
[22:35] <Deviouz> well, it will be really messy with two grubs starting two disks same time,
[22:35] <ron_o> PDG1, I hate to say it but I have many apps, usually my web browsers that kill my computers resources and I have to restart them to get things back to normal.
[22:35] <Deviouz> maybe you can delete grub from the old disk
[22:35] <Deviouz> then it wont interfere
[22:35] <Deviouz> and you still have the stuff for later
[22:35] <ron_o> browsers are really complicated apps..
[22:36] <ron_o> Deviouz, great idea... just make a backup...
[22:36] <ron_o> I'll backup grub and rename it... that way the MBR won't be looking for it.
[22:37] <ron_o> just to be on the safe side, I'll disconnect it.. what's the harm.
[22:37] <Deviouz> yes I dont see any problem copying data to or from it as you asked
[22:38] <Deviouz> you can just delete grub from the old one
[22:38] <ron_o> yah..
[22:38] <Deviouz> its easy to install again if you need it
[22:38] <Deviouz> I like to do it with a windows sytem diskette:P
[22:39] <Deviouz> that will erase any trace of grub:)
[22:39] <Deviouz> fdisk / mbr
[22:39] <ron_o> windows suks... at least there's some use for it. :)
[22:39] <Deviouz> yes I know but taht diskette can come in handy sometime
[22:40] <Deviouz> the ultimate bootcd is nice too
[22:40] <ron_o> yah, that reminds me. Just tried to use an old maxtor diskette to check out drives. Unfortunately, it only recognizes IDE drives. And I thought I had one over on them. :)
[22:41] <Deviouz> well, good luck:)
[22:41] <ron_o> yah, I have bootcd too.. it is good, but on me system, I need a very late kernel.
[22:41] <ron_o> thanks Deviouz... will be getting to it shortly.
[22:42] <ron_o> I'm excited about a clean install with 9.10, the new hard drive (yah!) and getting things in order around here. (got a few disks with bad OSs/Filesystems with important stuff on them)..
[22:43] <ron_o> am using ext4 too. :P
[22:43] <ron_o> for everything. Hope it works out well.
[22:46] <ron_o> hehe: Bloomberg mentions ubuntu as an alternate to Windows: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aZ.Y_dCigYME


[09:47] <pavlushka> Welcome Kilos :)
[09:48] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[09:49] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos :)
[09:51] <pavlushka> Kilos: What it is, up early or up late ? :p
[09:52] <Kilos> late
[09:52] <Kilos> actually been working in garden pulling weeds
[09:59] <pavlushka> Kilos: Good for you and so does for the Garden :)
[10:06] <Kilos> lol
[10:07]  * pavlushka gueses meanwhile Kilos pulled some weeds
[10:07] <Kilos> n had a slice of bread and butter
[10:07] <pavlushka> s/gueses/guess'
[10:07] <u-la-la> pavlushka guess' meanwhile Kilos pulled some weeds
[10:07] <Kilos> not had a slice of bread and butter
[10:08] <pavlushka> Kilos: that's better


[07:57] <mdke> morning all
[15:02] <jjesse> nixternal: you around or in class?
[18:46] <jjesse> where is the entities stored again
[18:46] <jjesse> drew a blank
[18:50] <mdke> libs
[18:51] <mdke> follow the definition in the top of the docbook file
[18:51] <jjesse> mdke: thanks totatlly drew a blank
[18:51] <jjesse> btw a lightwieght checkout of the branch is a lot faster :)
[18:51] <jjesse> bzr checkout --lightweight
[18:51] <mdke> sure
[19:47] <mdke> so there were no objections to moving the styleguide to the wiki? I might get on with that...
[19:47] <mdke> mpt: do you agree? You're our honorary style consultant
[19:48] <mpt> I have no objection
[19:49] <mpt> Remind me to put up my "Words to avoid" list too sometime when I'm less busy :-)
[19:53] <mdke> yeah, you get to look after the whole thing
[20:11] <LaserJock> mdke: is there a plan to update help.ubuntu.com with 7.10 docs and if so is there a place for the Edubuntu Handbook there?
[20:14] <nixternal> the 7.10 updates should go live any day now...as for Edubuntu, that is one for mdke
[20:14] <nixternal> I am attempting to port all of the Kubuntu docs over right now so I can get them on kubuntu.org
[20:14] <nixternal> talk about a pita
[20:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[20:15] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out how to put the Handbook into edubuntu.org
[20:15] <LaserJock> I don't have any experience in importing outside docs into drupal
[20:15] <nixternal> ooh
[20:16] <nixternal> well, you could just copy/paste the stuff in between the <body> and </body> tags, but you will lose your formatting, unless of course you do @import edubuntu.css or whatever it is called into the main .css file for edubuntu.org
[20:16] <nixternal> and hope nothing has the same name in the css files
[20:16] <LaserJock> hmm
[20:16] <LaserJock> the problem is that it's chunked HTML
[20:17] <nixternal> you want single?
[20:17] <LaserJock> I don't
[20:17] <nixternal> if so, build with the -single.xsl file
[20:17] <LaserJock> but I might have to
[20:17] <nixternal> there is also a -web.xsl
[20:17] <nixternal> I didn't think about single honestly
[20:17] <nixternal> I forgot about that
[20:17] <LaserJock> with chunked HTML I have to make sure all the links are right
[20:17] <nixternal> so true
[20:17] <LaserJock> and the build structure is quite a bit different
[20:17] <nixternal> well, the links would be fine for next and previous and what not
[20:27] <mdke> LaserJock: I've been preparing the update over the last few days. I haven't included Edubuntu though, as with Feisty
[20:28] <LaserJock> mdke: ok
[20:28] <LaserJock> I think maybe I can sed the HTML of the handbook to work ok in drupal
[20:28] <LaserJock> it's just expecting a different directory structure
[20:46] <mdke> damn, docbook2moin produces some ugly stuff with the styleguide
[20:47] <LaserJock> :(
[20:50] <nixternal> mdke: :)
[20:50] <nixternal> that's all I have to say about docbook2moin :p
[20:53] <mdke> I can't understand how it works
[20:53]  * mdke keeps reading
[21:23] <ikonia> chaps, is there a reason that http://help.ubuntu.com does not have the 7.10 docs on it ?
[21:24] <LaserJock> ikonia: yes
[21:24] <mdke> ikonia: well, of course there is a reason
[21:24] <ikonia> could you share it, not a complaint, genuine question
[21:24] <mdke> it's that we haven't put them on there yet
[21:24] <ikonia> plus then I can see if there is anything I can do to assist
[21:24] <LaserJock> mdke: I thought you just had them hiding in a back room somewhere ;-)
[21:25] <ikonia> mdke: I'll re-phrase, is there a reason they are not available post gutsy release
[21:25]  * LaserJock imagines mdke cackling "Hahahaha, nobody knows where the docs are"
[21:25] <mdke> the reason we haven't put them on there is that it takes quite a long time to rebuild and retest all the different sections, and I've only just finished doing that
[21:25] <mdke> then we wait for the webmaster to find the time to copy them to the server
[21:25] <mdke> it all takes time
[21:26] <mdke> but we are nearly there!
[21:26] <ikonia> is there anything missing that requires contribution or is it all done and just awaiting approval/checks ?
[21:26] <mdke> yep, all done now
[21:26] <ikonia> great.
[21:26] <ikonia> thank you
[21:26] <mdke> you can get a sneak preview here: http://calcium.ubuntu.com/~mdke/help.ubuntu.com.tar.bz2
[21:26] <ikonia> ahh, thank you
[21:26] <mdke> large download
[21:27] <ikonia> thats fine
[21:27] <mdke> let me know if you see any errors
[21:27] <ikonia> sure, thank you
[21:27] <ikonia> preview appriciated
[22:19] <mdke> tonyyarusso: from a while ago; I closed the bug because it was fixed in gutsy