[06:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:59] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:59] <brobostigon> o/
[07:46] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:46] <SuperMatt> What a fine day it is
[07:47] <brobostigon> yep, knock off early and sit in a pub garden instead, :)
[07:48] <zmoylan-pi> no no, simply have a customer or 3 who runs a pub and do service calls on a friday. knock off early and hey, while you're there... :-)
[07:54] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points if a customer runs a kebab or pizza place nearby... :-D
[07:57] <brobostigon> :) that works.
[07:58] <SuperMatt> If those were my customers, I would need to replace my wardrobe with much larger clothes


[01:12] <Darkwing> highvoltage: ping
[03:07] <valorie> hmmm, is this true? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=97708&p=208070#p208073
[03:07] <valorie> if so, why didn't we update?
[12:35] <highvoltage> Darkwing: pong
[16:08] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yep, I'm almost done, was about to create a precise chroot when I dropped my laptop and banged it up pretty bad ...
[16:08] <shadeslayer_> I'll finish it off tonight
[21:46] <Quintasan> yofel_: ping
[23:53] <apachelogger> valorie: cuz upstream likes to not talk to distros
[23:54] <apachelogger> actually that aint not even making no sense
[23:55] <apachelogger> one-eye-rick has 2.7.0
[23:56] <apachelogger> .1 was released like a week before final freeze
[23:56] <apachelogger> also .1 has actually introduced a bug
[23:56] <apachelogger> so from where I am standing all be proper
[23:57] <apachelogger> nothing new that the cat likes his fud though


[23:59] <kitche> Ko12upt3d: binutils but that should be automatically installed


[12:03] <bac> hidey ho
[12:04] <gary_poster> hodey hi
[12:26] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb: hi all.  I might be just a hair late for call, but I might not.  will try for "not".  If I make it, call in about 3
[12:26] <bac> ok
[12:26] <gmb> OK
[12:33]  * gary_poster does not see benji or danilos on Skype but wil try anyway
[12:47] <benji> danilos: it still needs some work, but I'd like verification that I've done the right thing; the dev data should give you a good idea of what it does: lp:~benji/launchpad/bug-734765
[12:47] <danilos> benji, cool, I'm taking a look
[12:48] <benji> thanks
[12:55]  * gmb remembers that lunch needs to happen, lunches
[13:01]  * danilos patiently waits for 'make' to complete :/
[13:06] <danilos> benji, it looks good, but a few comments: 1. edit link is not feature flagged whereas +sharing-details page is 2. it would be nice to show the link to the template on the other side, and a productseries description (eg. "evolution/trunk" or "ubuntu/hoary/evolution") instead of just "Shared" — I'd only keep the edit icon pointing to the +sharing-details page
[13:07] <danilos> benji, 3. it says "Shared" even when there is no template on the "other side" with the same name (though, I haven't been clear about that myself, so not your fault)
[13:10] <benji> ok, I understand 3, I think
[13:10] <benji> re. 1: so you're saying that my TODO about controlling the presense of that column via the feature flag is needed?
[13:12] <danilos> benji, re 1, I find it minor, the feature flag probably needs to be removed anyway, so if there's a bug for removing the feature flag, I think you are good
[13:12] <benji> re. 2: I don't understand; the edit link doesn't point to +sharing-details.
[13:12] <benji> k, I'll look for such a bug
[13:12] <danilos> re 2, I thought of the edit icon in the sharing column
[13:13] <danilos> re 3, basically, if you look at https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+source/evolution/+sharing-details only evolution-2.2 template is listed as "shared" (others are either "only in upstream" or "only in Ubuntu")
[13:13] <benji> right, the Edit link doesn't point to +sharing-detials, so I thought that'd be the most logical place for the sharing column to point
[13:14] <benji> 3: gotcha
[13:15] <danilos> benji, regarding the edit link, I think we can follow the usual pattern we have in LP: list what it is [sharing with] and then offer an edit icon right next to it to "change it"
[13:15] <danilos> re 3, we should probably reuse the labels as well (i.e. "shared", "only in Ubuntu", "only in upstream", and your "not shared")
[13:17] <benji> I lost the bubble somewhere.  Are you proposing that I change the current "Edit" link to something else?
[13:17] <danilos> benji, no, I am strictly talking about the "Sharing" column
[13:18] <danilos> benji, basically, for evolution-2.2 line on https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+templates it should be something like evolution/trunk
[13:18] <danilos> (or something like that)
[13:19] <benji> ok, I think I understand
[13:19] <danilos> benji, also, I think it'd make sense to move the "Sharing" column after the "Template name"
[13:19] <benji> easy enough
[13:21] <benji> thanks for the help
[13:21] <danilos> benji, you are welcome
[13:22] <danilos> benji, if you want to play with the performance aspect of it, you may want to create a bunch of POTemplate objects in ubuntu to see what times you get with your changes
[13:24] <benji> Since it's only using data already available (and building links using string operations) I don't expect any impact on speed, but given that this page has performance challanges in general, I guess it's a good idea.
[13:43] <danilos> benji, oh, that sounds good
[13:44] <danilos> benji, do note that some properties might be executing queries (and actually, most likely are)
[13:50] <danilos> benji, fwiw, in my simple tests, query count goes up from 29 to 50 on https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+templates (checked using "view source", and that's for only 6 templates on the page: it's likely not going to scale with 1300)
[13:51] <benji> danilos: darn; I'll have to investigate that.  Any idea if I should make it do what we discussed earlier first or optimize queries first?
[13:52] <benji> It strikes me that either has pitfalls and we might not be able to get the functionality we want without materially increasing the queries.
[14:18] <danilos> benji, I think you should get it working first
[14:19] <benji> danilos: yeah, that was my instinct too; although I am worried about getting it fast enough, but I'm sure it'll work out in the end
[14:20] <danilos> benji, yeah, I am sure it will
[14:59] <gary_poster> gmb, I am about to have a branch ready for you for the bug we talked about (bug 777874).  Do you think you'll be around long enough to review it if it is ready within 10 or 15 minutes?
[14:59] <_mup_> Bug #777874: If multiple reports on new bug, mark it confirmed <bug-lifecycle> <bugs> <escalated> <ubuntu-platform> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by gary> <Ubuntu:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/777874 >
[14:59] <gmb> gary_poster: Definitely.
[14:59] <gary_poster> yay! :-)
[14:59] <gary_poster> thx
[15:23] <gary_poster> gmb, 24 minutes later, actually: https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug777874/+merge/68406
[15:24] <gary_poster> s'ok?
[15:24] <gmb> gary_poster: Yep, wfm.
[15:24] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[15:50]  * danilos -> out
[16:20] <gmb> gary_poster: Minor bit of nitpickery: why "maybeConfirm()" rather than "autoConfirm()"?
[16:21] <gmb> Lazy developer alert: "maybe" sounds kinda wishy-washy and would make me have to go and read the docs / code to fidn out what it did, whereas autoConfirm() is pretty unambiguous.
[16:21] <gary_poster> gmb: because it doesn't necessarily confirm, and "auto" doesn't convey that to me.  I don't feel strongly about it though; happy to switch if you like.
[16:21] <gary_poster> ...<shrug>
[16:22] <gmb> gary_poster: Fair point.
[16:22] <gmb> So leave it as it is. It was just a thought.
[16:22] <gary_poster> cool
[16:23] <gary_poster> confirmIfNewAndNotBugwatch?
[16:23] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:25] <gmb> maybe...() does just fine :)
[16:28] <gary_poster> k :-)
[16:30] <gmb> gary_poster: Approved. I wish there was a better way of marking blocks for removal when feature flags are stripped out, but that's a thoroughly separate problem.
[16:30] <gary_poster> cool thanks gmb.  Yeah, I figured having something at all was new to me, and better than nothing.
[16:30] <gary_poster> But yeah, not ideal. :-/
[16:31] <gmb> Yeah, I'd rather have something than nothing, so it works for me. I'm sure that we can come up with a complicated solution for it at the next Thunderdome ;)
[16:31] <gary_poster> lol
[16:31] <gary_poster> yeah
[16:35] <gary_poster> hey benji, I was looking at bug 812335.  It looks like one of those "if you know what you are doing, the fix is < 10 lines and the branch with tests is < 100" things.  I think I can bumble along but I'll need a pre-imp and a reviewer who can confidently evaluate what I've bumbled through.
[16:35] <gary_poster> Did you get enough context that you feel you can provide either or both of those, or should I look for somebody else (flacoste or abentley)?
[16:36]  * gary_poster runs and makes a sandwich to eat through lunch, 'cause he has to go to the bank during "lunch"
[16:36] <gary_poster> back in 5
[16:37] <benji> gary_poster: I don't know enough about how to implement the fix to be of much help, but I might know enough to get you started in the right direction
[16:52] <gary_poster> "making a sandwich" became "mixing a new jar of peanut butter."
  Do they eat vegemite instead?
[17:01] <benji> about as many eat vegemite as peanut butter; they're somewhat similar in that one group (generally) likes it and everyone else thinks they're crazy
[17:12] <gary_poster> huh
[17:37]  * gary_poster goes to bank now, he thinks
[18:27] <bac> gary_poster: have you finished your high finances?
[18:30] <bac> benji: did you make the new card we talked about re: private branches?
[18:31] <bac> oh, nm, i see gary_poster grabbed it
[18:31] <benji> bac: yep
[18:31] <benji> bac: hmm, but I don't see it there now...
[18:31] <bac> 812335?
[18:32] <benji> bac: Gary's doing it.
[18:32] <benji> bac: right
[18:36] <gary_poster> bac, I'm back now
[18:37] <bac> gary_poster: hi, i was just embarking on looking for a bug.  open to suggestions if you have any, otherwise i'll just pick
[18:39] <gary_poster> bac, pick what you will but two different ideas
[18:40] <gary_poster> bac, one: escalated Translations bug 788685
[18:40] <_mup_> Bug #788685: Enable translating selected Ubuntu universe packages in Launchpad <escalated> <oem-services> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <OEM Priority Project:Invalid> <Ubuntu Translations:Triaged> <pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu):Fix Released by pitti> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/788685 >
[18:40] <gary_poster> bac, two: there are a number of really easy critical JS bugs from our old feature.  You could do those and bring our critical bug count down relatively quickly.  Looking for specific ones...
[18:41] <gary_poster> bug 799900 probably easy
[18:41] <bac> gary_poster: the latter sounds more reasonable.  i'd not want to start the translation one without first talking to danilos
[18:41] <_mup_> Bug #799900: No display name truncation in subscriber list <regression> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799900 >
[18:41] <gary_poster> bug 799901 probably easy
[18:41] <_mup_> Bug #799901: "subscribed by" omitted from the title of links in subscriber list <regression> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799901 >
[18:41] <bac> sequential!
[18:41] <bac> ok, i'll get cracking on those
[18:42] <gary_poster> bug 783595 harder but of interest to you
[18:42] <_mup_> Bug #783595: JS controls for bug subscription are hard to use with screen readers <regression> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/783595 >
[18:42] <gary_poster> cool
[18:44] <gary_poster> bac, if you work in that area, you might or might not be able to close these as fly-bys: bug 799910 , bug 799903 , bug 799916
[18:44] <_mup_> Bug #799910: Subscribing yourself in the bug subscriber list is broken <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799910 >
[18:44] <_mup_> Bug #799903: Subscribing someone to bug who is already subscribed at a lower level lies <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799903 >
[18:44] <_mup_> Bug #799916: "Maybe notified" section of subscriber list is confusing to experts <story-better-bug-notification> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799916 >
[18:44] <gary_poster> up to you
[18:44] <bac> will look.  thanks!
[18:45] <gary_poster> np
[18:45] <bac> gary_poster: have you had your talk with francois yet?
[18:45] <gary_poster> no monsieur bac
[18:45] <gary_poster> non, i should say
[19:10] <bac> gary_poster: did you ever try to get your $100 voucher from delta due to our ATL-DUB adventure?
[19:10] <gary_poster> bac, no.  you?
[19:11] <bac> i did but it wasn't there.  had a protracted email exchange with someone who didn't read english.  she eventually gave me my $100 but said i didn't deserve it since i didn't have status
[19:11] <bac> so i was just curious if they credited anyone like they said they would
[19:12] <gary_poster> bac, bah! :-( yeah, I generally regard that kind of stuff as marketing lies tbh.  I suppose I should give it a whirl
[19:12] <bac> it's either on your account or not.  worth looking.
[19:12] <gary_poster> it's hard to feel like I want to spend the energy with stuff like that though
[19:12] <gary_poster> oh ok
[19:50] <bac> hey gary_poster, is the gist of bug 799900 to just truncate the displayname at 20 characters?  No ellipsis or anything?  I don't recall the old behavior
[19:50] <_mup_> Bug #799900: No display name truncation in subscriber list <regression> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/799900 >
[19:51] <gary_poster> I don't know
[19:51] <bac> cleavering is done, so i'm moving on unless we want it fancier
[19:52] <gary_poster> cool bac
[19:53] <gary_poster> bac flacoste suggests trying to convince deryck to give you approval for bug 810128 since Aaron is out for a week
[19:53] <_mup_> Bug #810128: Expose a LaunchpadView's JSON for refreshing <thunderdome> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/810128 >
[19:53] <bac> gary_poster: what do you mean by approval?
[19:54] <bac> you mean to land his branch that i'm dependent upon?
[19:54] <bac> i'm unsure what the state of it is
[19:55] <bac> i've emailed aaron for clarification.  he's gone but checking in so i'll wait to see if he answers his email.  /me felt bad doing it
[19:55] <gary_poster> bac, oic
[19:55] <gary_poster> ok


[00:00] <wgrant> It should have closed an hour ago, right?
[00:02] <henninge> exactly
[00:02] <henninge> I am pretty sure it's just the subject
[00:03] <wgrant> sinzui: Looks like your branch broke the build?
[00:03] <sinzui> :(
[00:04] <sinzui> wow I played that test
[00:04]  * sinzui prepares a fix
[00:04] <henninge> ah, I had seen that on ec2 but could not reproduce it locally. My devel must be too old.
[00:05] <henninge> which means nothing will land anyway atm because of testfix mode.
[00:10] <sinzui> oh good, this looks like the test is actually wrong now. I thought I had broken one requirement while fixing another
[00:15] <wgrant> Does anybody read launchpad-error-reports?
[00:29] <sinzui> wgrant: I do.
[00:32] <wgrant> sinzui: There is so much noise.
[00:32] <wgrant> And so many errors.
[00:32] <sinzui> production's would be more intelligible if several of us fixed checkwatches + external bugtrackers to not report offsite data issues as oopses. Or we add a nominal data cleansing task before we read the broken xml
[00:33] <wgrant> sinzui: Oh, not the OOPS reports. The launchpad-error-reports ML's cron spam.
[00:33] <sinzui> wgrant: checkwatches was divorced from the normal reports because of this, but the issues were not fixed. lifeless hops to may the problem visible by spamming the report
[00:34] <sinzui> wgrant: sorry, my confusion. I specifically tag the messages that talk about teams, karma, the prf, and distributionmirrors
[00:41] <wgrant> sinzui: Ah. I silenced the DMP (except for errors) yesterday.
[00:44] <sinzui> I was certain your bug was a dupe. spm had remarked about it in the past. I could not find it though
[00:44] <wgrant> :(
[00:45] <wgrant> Damn. We could deploy that and the nightly.sh fix now, if it wasn't Friday afternoon.
[02:22] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (343): FAILURE in 5 hr 38 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/343/
[03:21] <LPCIBot> Project devel build (420): FAILURE in 5 hr 18 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/420/
[03:21] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=allenap][no-qa] Machinery for building documentation with sphinx
[03:21] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=bac][bug=710054][bug=530476][bug=530477] Fix the protocol in the
[03:21] <LPCIBot> gpg documentation and branch and MP api docs.
[03:21] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=allenap][ui=none][bug=693689] Escape the token and title in
[03:21] <LPCIBot> lp.app.widgets.itemswidgets renderer.
[03:21] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=henninge][ui=none][no-qa] Add direct unit tests for
[03:21] <LPCIBot> TM.shareIfPossible
[04:31] <lifeless> wgrant: resetting the cache would be fine, but noone knows how to do that
[07:02] <lifeless> it would be nice to fix deleting of unpublished packages to actually delete.
[07:03] <wgrant> Possibly.
[07:06] <lifeless> wgrant: so what do you think, is there some way to purge apache-openid nonces?
[07:10] <wgrant> lifeless: Probably rm /tmp/mp_sess.dbm
[07:10] <wgrant> Unless the mp config has been customised.
[07:10] <wgrant> But devpad has that file.
[07:14] <lifeless> wgrant: care to note that in the bug; do we need a graceful or will it be recreated automatically?
[07:15] <lifeless> hmm
[07:15] <lifeless> ProtocolError for xmlrpc.lp.internal:8097/codehosting: 502 Bad Gateway
[07:15] <wgrant> lifeless: I believe it should be recreated automatically, but I've never used the default dbm store before.
[07:15] <lifeless> not a great sign
[07:16] <lifeless> hmm, i think I made it oops :P
[07:16] <wgrant> Which?
[07:17] <lifeless> pushing to lp:debian/sid/python-poster/packaging
[07:17] <lifeless> 8boom8
[07:17] <wgrant> Hah.
[07:17] <wgrant> That should blow up. But nicely, not with an OOPS.
[07:18] <lifeless> just gives a 502
[07:18] <lifeless> I'm sure its booming in the background
[07:18] <wgrant> Awesome.
[07:18] <wgrant> Does it tell you which method it was executing?
[07:19] <lifeless> no
[07:19] <lifeless> robertc@lifeless-64:~/source/debian/poster-0.7.0$ bzr push lp:debian/sid/python-poster/packaging
[07:19] <lifeless> Working tree "/home/robertc/source/debian/poster-0.7.0/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Uncommitted changes will not be pushed.
[07:19] <lifeless> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', '<ProtocolError for xmlrpc.lp.internal:8097/codehosting: 502 Bad Gateway>')
[07:19] <wgrant> Ah. Fun.
[07:19] <lifeless> btw ^ - lets you upload to +storeblob
[07:20] <wgrant> Anyway, add a username.
[07:20] <wgrant> Hmm, why would we want to do that?
[07:20] <lifeless> wgrant: subunit stream storage
[07:20] <lifeless> wgrant: also, shrink the code in apport
[07:21] <lifeless> I'm getting round to an old tuit of mine - subunit-upload -> lp
[07:21] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[07:25] <lifeless> ok, two bugs for one action with lp.
[07:25] <lifeless> good times.
[07:27] <lifeless> wgrant: ok, so openid -  we can experiment I guess; if you can record what you *do* know, I can pester a sysadmin on monday
[07:32] <wgrant> lifeless: Commented.
[07:36] <lifeless> thanks
[07:36] <lifeless> !
[07:41] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (344): STILL FAILING in 5 hr 19 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/344/
[07:41] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=bac][ui=none][bug=548][incr] Mute self-generated bug notifications
[07:41] <LPCIBot> for accounts that set that option (iow, mute themselves).
[07:41] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=bac][ui=none][no-qa] Add "selfgenerated_bugnotifications" as a
[07:41] <LPCIBot> global option for people so that we can work on bug 548. Only
[07:41] <LPCIBot> in the DB at this time,
[07:41] <LPCIBot> since the actual implementation is not yet done.
[07:41] <_mup_> Bug #548: Launchpad sends change notification updates to the person who requested the change <email> <lp-bugs> <story-better-bug-notification> <story-better-notification-sending> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/548 >
[08:20] <lifeless> what is webservice:register in configure.zcml for
[08:24] <lifeless> figured it
[09:35] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[09:35] <LPCIBot> Project devel build (421): FIXED in 6 hr 13 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/421/
[09:35] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [testfix][rs=sinzui] Print the escaped text of the structured string.
[09:35] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=henninge][ui=none][bug=697294] Refactors create_questionreopening
[09:35] <LPCIBot> to be called as a helper, rather than a listener to notifications;
[09:35] <LPCIBot> this avoids the need for a slew of guards on the method, and keeps it
[09:35] <LPCIBot> from doing work when we don't want it to.
[12:59] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[12:59] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (345): FIXED in 5 hr 17 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/345/
[12:59] <LPCIBot> Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [rs=buildbot-poller] automatic merge from stable. Revisions: 12330,
[12:59] <LPCIBot> 12331, 12332, 12333, 12334, 12335 included.
[13:03] <wgrant> jelmer: It's emailing you for successful binary builds?
[14:00] <jelmer> wgrant: actually, I just have a lot of failing builds at the moment :)
[21:15] <elv> Hi, how can i copy  a package fromubuntu primary archive to my ppa? i just saw some packages marked as Copied from ubuntu natty in Primary Archive for Ubuntu .
[21:15] <elv> thanks
[23:22] <cjohnston> This bug (Bug #340640) says there is no plan of fixing this "at the moment" but that was a year ago... Any chance we can revisit this? It is currently breaking the LoCo Directory.
[23:22] <_mup_> Bug #340640: Standard way of finding mugshot url, default if not set <api> <lp-registry> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/340640 >
[23:30] <lifeless> cjohnston: we have 6000 bugs and close ~ 1000 a year
[23:32] <lifeless> cjohnston: why is it breaking the loco directory now ?
[23:33] <cjohnston> we are trying to pull the profile images.. but if there isnt one, it gives a broken image
[23:34] <lifeless> what makes it broken? Why don' you catch the exception and use the default in that case?
[23:35] <cjohnston> it tries.. i dont know if maybe the LD code is broken in that aspect or what
[23:35] <lifeless> I would assume it is
[23:35] <lifeless> anyhow, in the set of things we're trying to focus on, this really seems appropriate as low
[23:35] <cjohnston> ok
[23:36] <lifeless> if you need it escalated, the stakeholder process provides a forum for the different stakeholders to convince each other about the relative importance of things
[23:36] <lifeless> -or-
[23:36] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/edge/revision/384
[23:36] <lifeless> you can supply a patch
[23:36] <cjohnston> that is the code we have.. i dont know if you know anything about how it would be broken or not
[23:37] <lifeless> well
[23:37] <lifeless> its hard coding api urls
[23:37] <lifeless> thats pretty much guaranteed to run into trouble
[23:37] <lifeless> specifically -
[23:37] <lifeless> beta is deprecated
[23:37] <lifeless> you should use 1.0 for clients that are packaged
[23:37] <lifeless> and devel for clients where you're tracking bugfixes etc
[23:38] <cjohnston> ok
[23:38] <lifeless> secondly
[23:38] <cjohnston> thanks
[23:38] <cjohnston> oo.. more
[23:38] <lifeless> issuing those urls back to browsers will be very very slow
[23:39] <lifeless> your website should resolve the real url using lp apis and then output that.
[23:39] <lifeless> otherwise you're forcing directory viewing to do an HTTPS handshake with launchpad.net
[23:40] <lifeless> (when you're already logged in and have handshaked already)
[23:41] <lifeless> both of the urls you are returning are going to do a full appserver request and then issue a 302
[23:44] <lifeless> what would be most efficient would be for whatever collection you're asking Launchpad for to return things with preresolved urls (which we can do for public assets).
[23:44] <cjohnston> ok.. thanks
[23:45] <lifeless> I'd consider a bug to enhance LP to do that high (which means 3-9 months away) priority, because we're trying to make Launchpad snappy across the board
[23:45] <lifeless> in the meantime, lets see if we can work around your issue
[23:46] <lifeless> got a link to a broken page on the diretory?
[23:49] <cjohnston> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/666/detail/
[23:49] <cjohnston> sorry.. just finished dinner
[23:50] <lifeless> how do we land things on lazr-js
[23:51] <lifeless> cjohnston: ok
[23:51] <lifeless> so in that page you're outputting this:
[23:51] <lifeless> <img src="https://api.edge.launchpad.net/1.0/~drubin/logo" title="David Rubin" valign="top" width="32" height="32">
[23:52] <lifeless> cjohnston: but this is a little crazy because you've done an API call to determine the team membership anyway.
[23:52] <cjohnston> ok
[23:53] <cjohnston> i dont know very much about the api and such... so bare with me
[23:53] <lifeless> whats the api call you make to find out about the members of the team?
[23:55] <cjohnston> Ronnie: do you know what the api call is that finds out the members of teams
[23:55] <lifeless> Ronnie: specifically how are you populating http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/666/detail/
[23:56] <cjohnston> lifeless: i know that we pull what team a person belongs to, the code is there, but i dont know if we use it for finding out their TZ
[23:57] <cjohnston> the attendees statuses are all done completly through LD... you dont have to be a member of a team to attend an event, only to create/edit an event
[23:58] <lifeless> cjohnston: do you verify their lp uids?
[23:59] <cjohnston> I believe that we do now lifeless


[01:27] <n-iCe> hello guys
[01:28] <n-iCe> I am using a VGA external monitor, how can I make to not turn off the monitor?
[01:28] <n-iCe> after time
[01:29] <holstein> n-iCe: TBH, i have had issues getting those settings to stick in some cases.. i assume you have set those in the GUI and tested, and the changes are not sticking? if not, try the settings..
[01:30] <n-iCe> yeah
[01:30] <n-iCe> are not sticking
[01:30] <n-iCe> can't be saved
[01:30] <n-iCe> why
[01:30] <holstein> n-iCe: you can look into graphics drivers.. you can look into bios settings that could be over riding
[01:31] <holstein> i konw, sometimes, i'll load up the heavier live ISO's, such as main ubuntu, and test.. if it works in main ubuntu 13.10, and not lubuntu 13.10, then, you should be able to figure out what needs to be added
[01:31] <n-iCe> xset s off
[01:31] <n-iCe> should solve the monitor time out
[01:32] <holstein> n-iCe: correct.. i agree that it "should", but lubuntu is lean, and may not have the packages necessary to communicate with your hardware.. or, the bios could be over-riding the settings there
[01:34] <holstein> you can see if lubuntu is still using xfce4-power-manager-settings by trying to run that command via alt+f2
[01:34] <holstein> i dont have a stock lubuntu install here to test on
[01:34] <holstein> n-iCe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716 is relevant
[01:35] <n-iCe> it is not
[01:35] <n-iCe> Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it now?
[01:36] <holstein> n-iCe: OK.. so, move on from there, then
[01:36] <holstein> n-iCe: i will not be able to suggest an exact fix for you unless i am at the hardware..
[01:36] <n-iCe> is there any group
[01:37] <n-iCe> to add power manager?
[01:37] <holstein> n-iCe: shouldnt be
[08:09] <user93901> possible to change font colour for inactive taskbar windows?
[08:10] <user93901> inactive minimized windows are showing black fonts on black taskbar.
[08:16] <user93901> Fixed it!  Changed the theme to clearlooks.
[12:11] <leszek> hi
[14:27] <Engin> there are people willing to do all sorts of stuff all around the world! thank you!
[14:27] <Engin> i had an ancient (but cute) iBook G4 laying around maybe i'll put it to some use now!
[18:02] <urielvigilant> What it is the easyest way to install Lubuntu on Asus eepc and wich version ?
[18:03] <holstein> urielvigilant: you just download the iso, and use whatever is the easiest for you.. cd, usb stick, or whatever
[18:03] <holstein> urielvigilant: i would get the latest 32bit 13.10
[18:03] <wxl> urielvigilant: given it's an eeepc, usb
[18:03] <wxl> urielvigilant: any version should work unless you have the oldest of eeepcs
[18:04] <koell> found an old eMachine em350 from my brother (netbook). which ubuntu version should i choose? 64 bit possible?
[18:04] <urielvigilant> its friend of mine epc, with 4 gb hardrive or flashdrive inside .... some like that but 4gb
[18:04] <wxl> koell: you mean lubuntu, or is this a lubuntu question?
[18:04] <urielvigilant> wxl
[18:04] <wxl> urielvigilant: that tells me next to nothing, but you might want to try debian eeepc
[18:05] <koell> wxl: oh sorry. have both channels open. but it doesnt matter. lubuntu/ubuntu. i may choose the server edition.
[18:05] <urielvigilant> wxl : some people say i will find problems installing lubuntu 12.04 in machines with less the 4 gb or with 4gb ram
[18:06] <urielvigilant> wxl : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1wK2LP7UkA
[18:06] <wxl> urielvigilant: like i said, try debian eeepc
[18:21] <urielvigilant> wxl : i dont want to install that DEbian because i have zero experience on it, then my friend wil come to me to ask for  help to handle it on begining. Please tell me can i follow exactly this instructions for Ubuntu same has on Lubuntu ?  http://gobitech.blogspot.pt/2011/06/install-ubuntu-1104-on-asus-eee-pc-701.html
[18:22] <wxl> urielvigilant: all i can say is probably. try it.
[18:22] <holstein> urielvigilant: i install the iso to a usb stick, and follow the prompts from the installer
[18:23] <holstein> urielvigilant: its quite simple, and clear
[18:23] <urielvigilant> it will tell us that eepc 4g dont have 4gb no hard disl space enought as you can see on that webpage explanation .
[18:24] <urielvigilant> i ask about is i can follow the same because he is explaining for ubuntu 11.04 but then somewhere in the text he said that : Update: For Ubuntu 11.10, the same bug rears its ugly head, but instead of line 310, it's now on line 250.
[18:24] <urielvigilant> Update 2: For Ubuntu 12.04, the file is now /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/misc.py, line 796.
[18:24] <urielvigilant> Update 3: For Ubuntu 12.10, the file is still /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/misc.py.
[18:25] <urielvigilant> he says that the number of line change . .  and path also for 12.04
[18:26] <holstein> urielvigilant: if you dont have room for lbuntu, you wont have room for it.. you'll want to install..
[18:26] <holstein> !minimal | urielvigilant
[18:27] <urielvigilant> holstein have you seen this  http://gobitech.blogspot.pt/2011/06/install-ubuntu-1104-on-asus-eee-pc-701.html
[18:27] <urielvigilant> ?
[18:27] <holstein> urielvigilant: i had that machine.. and thats what i did. the mini, and added what i wanted
[18:27] <holstein> urielvigilant: you are not using 11.04.. its not supported. its EOL
[18:28] <urielvigilant> holstein :  this machine is 4 GB Lubuntu say no space enought to install nether in 12.04 nether in 12.10 , doesn it as you see in the link before ?
[18:28] <urielvigilant> its a bug . . . does it ?
[18:29] <urielvigilant> my question is about if this solution is the same for lubuntu :   http://gobitech.blogspot.pt/2011/06/install-ubuntu-1104-on-asus-eee-pc-701.html
[18:30] <holstein> urielvigilant: your lack of hard drive space is no bug
[18:30] <holstein> urielvigilant: i use the minimal iso.. i create an ext2 partition the entire size of the disk with no swap
[18:31] <urielvigilant> holstein : you have minimal of Ubuntu or Lubuntu ?
[18:31] <holstein> urielvigilant: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:31] <urielvigilant> ok
[18:31] <holstein> urielvigilant: the minimal is none of them.. you get just the minimal.. you can add lxde only to it
[18:31] <urielvigilant> lol
[18:31] <holstein> urielvigilant: you can end up with an install that will fit in that space
[18:31] <urielvigilant> ok i see .
[18:32] <holstein> urielvigilant: you will basically create your own install with just enough to fit that space.. install the basics.. add lxde..
[18:34] <urielvigilant> holstein : 13.10 runs ? wich is the best version ?
[18:34] <holstein> urielvigilant: "best" is a matter of opinion and use case
[18:34] <holstein> urielvigilant: 13.10 is the recent supported version
[18:35] <holstein> !12.04
[18:35] <holstein> urielvigilant: but, there is no official lubuntu 12.04 lts
[18:35] <holstein> urielvigilant: since you are building your own, you can decide if you want newer, or longer term support
[18:35] <urielvigilant> but it will work ? i have experience that 12.04 dont run on computers with out eap processors, that why i ask
[18:36] <urielvigilant> sorry . . . 13.04 13.10 and 12.10 dont work with out eap processors
[18:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: they work for me
[18:37] <urielvigilant> holstein but lubuntu website says 12.04 lubuntu will end up april . . . support . .
[18:37] <urielvigilant> not same thing
[18:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: you are not going to install lubutu
[18:37] <holstein> lubuntu*
[18:38] <urielvigilant> yes
[18:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: you will istall from the minimal and add what you want, which will not be lubuntu, or xubuntu.. or any of the normal ones
[18:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: they will all be too big for that drive
[18:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: so, you can install the 12.04 lts base, or any of the other supported versions.. i suggest between 12.04 or 13.10
[18:38] <urielvigilant> ok, then about put the minimal in a usb stick , is normal and same way using unebootin ?
[18:39] <holstein> urielvigilant: to make that decision, you ask your self "do i want the newer version? or the one that is supported the longest?"
[18:39] <holstein> the answer you come up with dicates which you want...
[18:39] <urielvigilant> longest
[18:39] <holstein> urielvigilant: unet or dd should work fine
[18:40] <urielvigilant> persisten mode with 4gb example ?
[18:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: i dont do that
[18:41] <urielvigilant> i ask because i found in your link this  ;: Unlike other iso images available on this site, older versions of this image mini.iso do not work with the USB stick installation method.
[18:41] <holstein> urielvigilant:  i just install.. i dont use persistence like that
[18:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: i would use whatever works.. that iso is small and will take very little time to test
[18:42] <holstein> urielvigilant: i dont remember it i used unet, or dd.. or just an actual CD.. but i did use that iso
[18:45] <sda> Hi all! I would like to access my desktop from another device. I would also like to be able to choose the resolution at connection like RDP. Also I would like to be able to connect with different users. Do you have any Idea? VNC doesn't seems fit my need!
[18:45] <wxl> sda: yes! rdp.
[18:46] <sda> wxl, does rdp work well on linux?
[18:46] <wxl> sda: yep.
[18:47] <wxl> sda: i am, in fact, using it right now.
[18:47] <sda> wxl, as much as I remember is a microsoft protocoll, I though maybe linux could have something just for its
[18:47] <wxl> sda: they did develop it, but they made it open source.
[18:47] <holstein> teamvewier or splashtop are easy
[18:48] <wxl> sda: i've found a lot of linux/free software folks believe the motto of not reinventing the wheel.
[18:48] <sda> holstein, they are commercial tools
[18:48] <holstein> sda: sure.. did you say that was not an option?
[18:48] <holstein> sda: they are easy, and do what you are asking
[18:48] <sda> i would like use something open\free
[18:48] <wxl> rdp rdp rdp
[18:48] <sda> so rdp will be!
[18:48] <urielvigilant> holstein : the lubuntu alternate iso has more then 600 mb this is normal ?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[18:49] <wxl> i wonder
[18:49] <wxl> !rdp
[18:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: i wouldnt install lubuntu.. it wont fit
[18:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: i suggest the mini iso
[18:49] <wxl> aw poor ubottu
[18:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: the alternate iso still installs the same lubuntu that will be too big for the disk
[18:50] <sda> wxl, I have a KVM server with some virtual machines running, I would like to be able to connect to them and use them to develop and stuff, so I though xrdp maybe was not the best solution, but maybe i was wrong!
[18:50] <holstein> openbox has connections built in.. i thought kvm did as well
[18:50] <wxl> sda: using xrdp right now :)
[18:50] <holstein> or add-able
[18:50] <urielvigilant> holstein but i cant find minimal of the lubuntu
[18:50] <holstein> not openbox.. virtualbox
[18:50] <holstein> !minimal | urielvigilant
[18:50] <wxl> yeah virtualbox does for sure
[18:50] <wxl> can't speak about kvm
[18:51] <holstein> yeah, i havent used it first hand
[18:51] <wxl> virtualbox actually uses rdp for remote cxns
[18:51] <holstein> yup, and its easy, integrated
[18:51] <wxl> maybe you could export the machine and import it in vbox?
[18:52] <sda> I am also probably going to use openbox as windows manager, so xrdp with openbox, seems ok
[18:52] <holstein> sda: i meant virtualbox
[18:52] <holstein> sda: openbox was an typo
[18:53] <holstein> sda: my point was, some virtualization platforms have this funcitonality baked in
[18:53] <sda> ops! :D haha, ok kvm\libvirt virtualbox or xen are all the same, just virt platform
[18:53] <holstein> sda: i would explore if kvm just has something setting there to connect to
[18:53] <sda> yep, vnc
[18:53] <holstein> sda: they are *not* the same
[18:53] <holstein> sda: if they were the same, they would be the same.. but they are different
[18:54] <sda> holstein, from my problem point of view are the same, then of course they are very different
[18:54] <sda> anyway thanks everybody!
[18:54] <sda> i'll try now
[18:54] <holstein> sda: if they are "all the same" to you, then go with virtualbox.. the rdp thing works easily
[19:03] <sda> holstein, nah, i checked, i cannot have multiple user and change resolution with buildin virtualbox remote desktop, like VNC
[19:03] <holstein> sda: sounds like you want freenx
[19:04] <holstein> the "commercial" application is "nomachine".. freenx uses the nomachien viewer..
[19:04] <holstein> !freenx
[19:05] <holstein> you can forward out different user sessions.. but, i usually just do all that resizing client side with remmina
[19:05] <holstein> !info remmina
[19:05] <koell> does someone work with shotwell? i have some problems importing my photos from a different folder on my desktop. shotwell always freezes on import so i've to kill it via terminal. got these error on terminal ""** (shotwell:14310): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-VzAbRRQiEw""
[19:07] <sda> i saw freenx! but i still don't have a android client. And I am not really able to understand what to search as alternative client
[19:07] <holstein> sda: mabye just try it, and asee if it meets your needs.. i had no problems using vnc on android, other than it was not usable speed-wise
[19:29] <SocialEvil> hi guys, when i boot lubuntu i dont have run lubuntu without install.. any idea ?
[19:30] <SocialEvil> how to try it without install it ?
[19:30] <SocialEvil> i have lubuntu 12.10
[19:30] <holstein> !12.10
[19:30] <holstein> SocialEvil: i would get 13.10.. the normal desktop iso.. not the alternate
[19:31] <SocialEvil> holstein, i have no more cds :D
[19:31] <holstein> SocialEvil: sure. but you are asking for funcionality that is not present in the product you have downloaded
[19:31] <SocialEvil> i see
[19:31] <holstein> SocialEvil: you'll need to get an iso that supports live booting
[19:31] <holstein> SocialEvil: you can boot these from usb sticks
[19:32] <SocialEvil> so lubuntu 12.10 dont support it?
[19:32] <holstein> SocialEvil: the alternate iso's in general dont do live
[19:32] <SocialEvil> what does alternate iso mean ?
[19:33] <holstein> SocialEvil: not live.. has other alternatives as well.. but doesnt require running a graphical enviroment to install
[19:33] <urielvigilant> after i install ubuntu minimal on eepc on it will look like ? a terminal windows  or does it have some graphical inetrface ?
[19:33] <urielvigilant> holstein
[19:33] <holstein> urielvigilant: just a prompt.. where you install lxde, or whatever you want, up to the space you have
[19:33] <SocialEvil> holstein, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases i installed this one.. is it alternate?
[19:34] <SocialEvil> aaaaaa holstein
[19:34] <SocialEvil> now i got it :) sorry
[19:34] <holstein> SocialEvil: no worries
[19:35] <urielvigilant> holstein : so first thing i need it to do : sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop  ?
[19:36] <urielvigilant> and then reboot ? thats it to have lubuntu desktop ?
[19:36] <holstein> urielvigilant: lubuntu desktop is *too* big
[19:37] <urielvigilant> so what i have to type on terminal ?
[19:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: you'll want to determine what will fit.. what i suggested, and still stuggest installing, assuming lubuntu is the interest, is lxde
[19:37] <urielvigilant> what it is the command ?
[19:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: for what, friend?
[19:37] <urielvigilant> to have a graphic environment on it
[19:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: depends on which you want
[19:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: lxde is the one i suggested installing and is the one lubuntu uses
[19:38] <urielvigilant> so what to put lde on it ?
[19:38] <urielvigilant> lxde on it ?
[19:38] <urielvigilant>  sudo apt-get install  lxde ?
[19:39] <holstein> urielvigilant: why not try that command?
[19:39] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:39] <holstein> thats what i would do first.. then.. "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[19:39] <urielvigilant> i have not the laptop here, thurday i go there and i want to make all things working at first
[19:40] <holstein> urielvigilant: you'll want an internet connection
[19:40] <holstein> urielvigilant: the minimal assumes you are going to have a good connection
[19:40] <urielvigilant> yes friend, help me, i will help someone to have linux for first time ever .
[19:40] <urielvigilant> wifi conection . .  dow it will work or need to do something ?
[19:41] <holstein> those older eeeps's also boot sd cards... you could get an 8gb sd card, install lubuntu on it, and literaly plug it in and boot
[19:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: wifi is not optimal
[19:41] <urielvigilant> better cable
[19:41] <urielvigilant> so
[19:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: no.. *easier* with a cable
[19:41] <holstein> much easier
[19:48] <urielvigilant> holstein : iam seing here on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR-tUPGNCU    , it will be like it will look like does nit ? Lxde come with all basic tools like file manager , and others ?
[19:48] <holstein> urielvigilant: you have room for what you have room for
[19:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: i know what i did with my 4g drive.. i didnt use it. i bought a cheap 16gb sd card.. and i have a few other installs on an 8gb card
[19:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: that machine is low on many resources..
[19:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: do you have room for a file manager? sure..
[19:50] <urielvigilant> so you could install Ubuntu or Lubuntu full in tha case
[19:50] <holstein> urielvigilant: i wouldnt want unity on that spec machine.. but the space is no issue
[19:51] <urielvigilant> huumm, i see
[19:51] <holstein> i personally dont run x on that machine
[19:51] <urielvigilant> so a sd card is the solution, it will possible to dual boot in that case ?
[19:51] <holstein> urielvigilant: its an easy way to add a bigger hard drive..
[19:52] <holstein> urielvigilant: you boot whatever you like
[19:52] <urielvigilant> so,  with 4gb and lxde its possible to have pcman or other, and libree office ?
[19:53] <holstein> urielvigilant: depends, friend
[19:53] <holstein> urielvigilant: if you want to compromise, and make room for things, you'll have room for them
[19:53] <holstein> urielvigilant: if not, you wont
[19:53] <urielvigilant> lxde dont come with it down sit ?
[19:53] <urielvigilant> because after lxde it will have many 2 gb free ?
[19:54] <urielvigilant> or more does nit '
[19:54] <holstein> urielvigilant: i have *never* bothered cramming anything onto a 4gb card since i did it 6 years ago, and it wasnt worth the effort
[19:54] <holstein> urielvigilant: i just use a bigger drive
[19:55] <holstein> urielvigilant: you'll have to decide what you want to do.. and there is limited space, and you use what you want with what you want
[19:55] <urielvigilant> yes, i will tell my friend. SD card are cheap now anywa doesn it ?
[19:55] <holstein> urielvigilant:  i have no idea what hardware cost where you are, but its literally the only wat to add capacity
[19:56] <urielvigilant> trying to install from a boot usb pen drive example lubuntu 12.04 on it with sd card, it will assume sdcard is an external hardisk ?
[19:57] <holstein> urielvigilant: i have removed all the internal drives.. i have used an installer that doesnt assume anything. i have not installed a boot loader and done it manually. i have left grub on the internal
[19:57] <urielvigilant> --- external harddrive i mean ?
[19:57] <holstein> urielvigilant: all of these things are up to you, and agin, "best" is a matter of use case and opinion
[19:58] <urielvigilant> do you think it will assume is an hardrive to install on it , in a easy way ?
[19:59] <holstein> urielvigilant: i think the installer will do what it does.. and if i was worried about it, i would research, and read about what it does, and get the tool that fits my needs
[19:59] <holstein> urielvigilant: the alternate and mini should be asking if you want grub, and offering not to install it
[20:00] <urielvigilant> ok thats right
[20:21] <zleap> well the raspberry pi can run on 4gb sd card,  so that still has programming tools, editors etc
[20:21] <zleap> it depends on who we are aiming this at,  i would guess people don't always need office applications
[20:21] <holstein> zleap: he's gone.. but this is was not an arm machine.. this was an etempt at the standard iso
[20:21] <zleap> i know
[20:22] <zleap> but you can put quite a lot in 4gb on the pi,  not even 4gb,
[20:22] <zleap> i am guessing a min install would be 200 you can still get quite a lot in there
[22:01] <sda> wxl, i tried xrdp, but i have trouble to reconnect, it starts all the time a new session
[22:16] <Slesa> The pyhton IDE eric segfaults. Is that a known problem?


[00:32] <Drakeson> could someone using lucid + amd64 test one or a few packages? they prevent firefox from running:  xul-ext-greasemonkey, xul-ext-mozgest
[00:33] <Drakeson> there are several more on addons.mozilla.org, but I figured testing the packaged ones might be easier.
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm when did micahg get membership?
[01:11] <BUGabundo> a while ago
[02:14] <micahg> [reed]: go ahead and disable the LP account
[05:18] <LLStarks> debian bug system for the mailing list...
[05:18] <LLStarks> i don't care about icedove
[05:19] <micahg> LLStarks: ubuntu-mozillateam is maintainer for icedove
[05:19] <LLStarks> icecat or icedove?
[05:19] <micahg> LLStarks: either
[05:19] <micahg> well
[05:19] <micahg> idk what icecat is
[05:20] <LLStarks> debian iceweasel i think
[05:20] <micahg> there's iceweasel (firefox), icedove (thunderbird)
[05:20] <micahg> there's one for SM, but I don't remember
[05:20] <LLStarks> ah. icecat is gnu firefox
[05:21] <micahg> ah, yes, further than debian :)
[05:21] <micahg> [reed]: so now we can clean up bmo?
[05:21] <[reed]> micahg: indeed
[05:21] <[reed]> micahg: feel free to remove see also links
[05:22] <[reed]> launchpad can't add them back ;)
[05:25] <micahg> I cleaned 2, if I see more, I'll do what I can
[06:12] <armin76> [reed]: mozilla bug 502369, i want it on 1.9.2 plz
[06:15] <[reed]> armin76: ok, requested
[06:16] <[reed]> well, maybe
[06:16] <[reed]> my browser crashed
[06:18] <armin76> lol
[06:18] <armin76> thanks
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> Bons Dias
[10:22] <gnomefreak> asac: any reason firefox firefox-branding firefox-gnome-support are being held back other than it will remove mozilla-packagekit
[10:23] <gnomefreak> oh and hi ;)
[11:10]  * gnomefreak is really tired of this bug :(
[11:52] <asac> gnomefreak: hi
[11:53] <asac> [reed]: whats going on with launchpad bmo integration?
[11:53] <asac> that got killed now?
[11:55] <asac> ArneGoetje: hi
[12:01] <gnomefreak> anyone able to reproduce this bug? if so can you please comment on bug?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/520918
[12:05] <asac> yeah
[12:05] <asac> terminal window changes color or me too
[12:05] <asac> but its not really on dist-upgtrade
[12:05] <asac> it happens without any easy to identiy trigger
[12:05] <asac> actually now that you say it ... i think i havent seend that issue lately
[12:05] <asac> like or the last ew days
[12:06] <asac> will keep my eyes open
[12:12] <fta> kenvandine, empathy crashes when i try to re-open it from the indicator applet
[12:16] <fta> somewhere in gobject :(
[12:17] <ripps> fta: I'm getting that too. specifically it's the unhiding empathy that causes the segfault
[12:22] <fta> "Searching for your bug in Launchpad took too long."
[12:22] <fta> bad lp
[12:23] <ArneGoetje> asac: hi
[12:23] <fta> bug 473381
[12:24] <fta> hm
[12:28] <asac> ArneGoetje: do you need more info for the searchplugin things?
[12:28] <asac> anyone running karmic here?
[12:28] <ArneGoetje> asac: where have you put the files?
[12:29] <ArneGoetje> asac: I am
[12:29] <asac> ArneGoetje: with firefox 3.5?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> it seems my bug happens in synaptic terminal output as well
[12:29] <ArneGoetje> asac: yep
[12:29] <asac> can you please run a a find /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins  and paste the output?
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> asac: in karmic?
[12:30] <asac> ArneGoetje: yes.
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-people.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-support.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/creativecommons.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/debsearch.src
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/wikipedia.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/answers.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/amazondotcom.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/debsearch.gif
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/yahoo.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/google.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/eBay.xml
[12:30] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-specs.xml
[12:31] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/common
[12:31] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-packages.xml
[12:31] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-package-bugs.xml
[12:31] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-bug-lookup.xml
[12:31] <ArneGoetje> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/launchpad-bugs.xml
[12:31] <asac> ArneGoetje: ls -l /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/common/
[12:31] <ArneGoetje> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    1 2009-09-03 10:33 common -> .
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-01-07 09:14 en-US
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1335 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-bug-lookup.xml
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1402 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-bugs.xml
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  783 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-package-bugs.xml
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  998 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-packages.xml
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1523 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-people.xml
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  979 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-specs.xml
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1803 2009-02-13 08:27 launchpad-support.xml
[12:32] <asac> ok
[12:32] <asac> ArneGoetje: what language are you using on your desktop?
[12:32] <ArneGoetje> asac: en_US
[12:33] <asac> ok. can you switch to some other language and see if you still get the searchplugins that are in en-US (thats wanted)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: what is the name of the address bar in firefox? is it ausome bar?
[12:33] <asac> gnomefreak: awesomebar
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[12:39] <ArneGoetje> asac: if you mean the different search engines in the searchbar, then yes, they are all there.
[12:39] <asac> cool
[12:41] <asac> let me check something
[12:41] <asac> one second
[12:43] <asac> ok so lets add a dir:
[12:43] <asac> data/9.10/firefox/searchplugins/
[12:43] <asac> and inside there add a directory for each language that we want to ship special searchplugins for
[12:44] <asac> e.g. "de"
[12:44] <asac> let me try something
[12:46] <asac> ArneGoetje: are the current langpacks supposed to work in firefox 3.6?
[12:49] <ArneGoetje> asac: yep
[12:49] <asac> ArneGoetje: ok let me try
[12:50] <asac> ArneGoetje: so code wise you can already implement to copy the searchplugins directory
[12:50] <asac> i will get you instructions what to put there soon
[12:50] <ArneGoetje> asac: ok
[12:50] <asac> ArneGoetje: maybe start with copying the current en-US we have in the package there
[12:50] <asac> and name it de etc.
[12:51] <asac> try a few languages for now
[12:55] <ArneGoetje> asac: we are only doing this for lucid right now?
[13:05] <asac> yes
[13:05] <asac> only lucid
[13:12]  * gnomefreak would love to see tb3 in Lucid before FF so we dont need a FFE
[13:13] <asac> hmm
[13:13] <asac> +EM_TRANSLATION_VERSION     = 3.6
[13:13] <asac> +EM_TRANSLATION_MIN_VERSION = $(EM_TRANSLATION_VERSION)
[13:13] <asac> +EM_TRANSLATION_MAX_VERSION = $(EM_TRANSLATION_VERSION).*
[13:13] <asac> thats wrong
[13:13] <gnomefreak> because of the 3.6?
[13:15] <asac> well. EM_TRANSLATION_VERSION should be current version
[13:15] <asac> MIN_VERSION should be 3.6
[13:15] <asac> etc.
[13:16] <asac> but shouldnt hurt for now
[13:16] <asac> uploaded ubuntu2
[13:20] <ArneGoetje> asac: until when are you available today?
[13:21] <asac> not sure
[13:21] <asac> till after release meeting
[13:22]  * gnomefreak having issues with firefox 3.6 3.7 opens
[13:22] <asac> ArneGoetje: and then in the hamburg evening i guess. have to travel after release meeting
[13:22] <asac> i wont go out today because i am still badly sick
[13:23] <ArneGoetje> asac: I see...
[13:24] <gnomefreak> asac: we need to allow firefox to work with the default theme in Lucid. I can not see the window bar at top disply the name
[13:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont understand what you mean ;)
[13:26] <gnomefreak> asac: above the address bar you will see the menus if you look above that on the same area that close/min/max buttons are it is dark and cant see wnythin no that area other than the close/ect.. buttons
[13:27] <gnomefreak> it should have firefox name and such there
[13:28] <gnomefreak> oh it is a custom theme but it happens on any dark theme (dark as it really dark
[13:29] <gnomefreak> its not a firefox thing but everything has this issue it seems
[13:30] <gnomefreak> im using the themes and such to make my custom theme i do not stray from them
[13:30] <gnomefreak> brb
[13:36] <gnomefreak> im using the human login window boarder
[13:36] <gnomefreak> "HumanLogin"
[13:39]  * gnomefreak still unable to use icon nor terminal to start firefox i have to use --safe-mode to start it
[13:40] <gnomefreak> it was working fine until updates. no extension updates few extenions
[13:42] <gnomefreak> i only  have ubufox nightly tester prism extension
[13:43] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[13:53] <gnomefreak> i need to find a way to disable all extensions without using --safe-mode or new profile
[13:53] <micahg> hi asac
[13:54] <micahg> I see you're fixing the localized plugins issue :)
[13:55] <micahg> gnomefreak: I don't think there's a way
[13:58] <ArneGoetje> asac: I'm still busy on language-selector, will implement the searchplugin thing later tonight.
[13:58] <gnomefreak> micahg: this is going to be very very hard to figure out than
[13:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: why?
[13:59] <gnomefreak> if i use the above i am than able to use firefox fine if i dont use them i can not launch firefox
[13:59] <gnomefreak> 3.7 works fine
[14:00] <gnomefreak> no output in terminal at all so  no help there
[14:00] <asac> micahg: yes
[14:00] <armin76> haha
[14:00] <armin76> [reed]: that guy on the sparc bug is fun :P
[14:01] <armin76> asac: mozilla bug 502369 <- last comments are fun
[14:01] <gnomefreak> i have ubufox, prism, and nightly override extensions enabled
[14:01] <micahg> prism isn't made for anything above 3.5 yet if you're using archive
[14:02] <gnomefreak> micahg: i am so maybe it is disabled
[14:02] <gnomefreak> i have something to try :) thanks for the thought
[14:02] <asac> micahg: yes
[14:03] <asac> i uploaded ubuntu2
[14:03] <micahg> asac: k
[14:03] <asac> waiting till builds are finished and then pushing ubuntu3 with those two changes
[14:03] <micahg> asac: I wasn't sure what to do since you mentioned localized plugins
[14:04] <asac> look what i did
[14:04] <asac> thats what should have been done ;)
[14:05] <asac> ArneGoetje: ok. that giveds me a bit getting you the proper searchplugins
[14:13] <mahfouz> they shld switch off the "I'm feeling lucky" stuff in location bar
[14:13] <mahfouz> I'm always feeling pretty unlucky
[14:14] <mahfouz> I just changed keyword.url
[14:15] <micahg> mahfouz: it's changing to yahoo! anyways :P
[14:15] <mahfouz> nooooooo
[14:15] <micahg> at least I thought that's what's happening
[14:15] <mahfouz> because of chinese fx users :)
[14:15] <micahg> it should use your search provider
[14:16] <mahfouz> if I had any say, use yahoo but no "feeling lucky" option
[14:16] <micahg> i don't think yahoo has such an option, do they
[14:16] <micahg> :/
[14:16] <micahg> ?
[14:17] <asac> no we dont change keyword url
[14:17] <asac> at least in the first run
[14:17] <asac> just searchplugin and homepage
[14:17] <asac> reason: lack of feeling lucky
[14:17] <micahg> heh
[14:17] <micahg> mahfouz: ^^^ I was mistaken :)
[14:18] <mahfouz> asac, I hate this feeling lucky, it's mostly wrong
[14:18] <mahfouz> and then I have to type the whole string again
[14:19] <asac> use the searchblox then ;)
[14:19] <mahfouz> i have no search box
[14:19] <asac> thats your decision then ;)
[14:19] <mahfouz> I know I can do keyword search
[14:20] <mahfouz> but still
[14:20] <asac> you can manually change the keyword url to not do "i am lucky"
[14:20] <asac> good by
[14:20] <mahfouz> yes, I just changed my keyword.url
[14:21] <LLStarks> speaking of keyword.url, how are we going to link that to the search engine dropdown?
[14:35] <asac> LLStarks: atm we dont plan to link that. we just keep the mozilla default
[14:35] <LLStarks> and that's google.
[14:47] <micahg> asac: it's been a while, do I add a changelog entry if I just rebase a patch?
[14:48] <asac> micahg: 3.7?
[14:48] <asac> i dont think so
[14:49] <micahg> yeah
[14:49] <micahg> k
[14:49] <asac> LLStarks: yes. does that make you unhappy or happy?
[14:57] <LLStarks> they should match. but maybe that's impractical.
[14:59] <asac> LLStarks: the technical bits are a bit tricky for that.... maybe lucid+1
[14:59] <asac> i dont want to mess with prefs basically... the homepage is done without that
[15:50] <fta> !info modalbox
[15:50] <fta> !info libjs-modalbox
[15:50] <fta> grrr
[16:06] <fta> ok, packaged
[16:06] <fta> another dead fish in my +junk :P
[16:28] <fta> asac, apparently, ch beta is now 5.0.307.7
[16:29] <fta> but last upload failed, i need to resync the branch
[16:29] <asac> cool
[16:29] <asac> can we go for beta then?
[16:29] <asac> fta: there is something i need to talk to you about ;) (-meeting)
[16:29] <asac> fta: we need to understand whats going on with upstream release process before we can consider to commit supporting chromium as a default browser
[16:30] <fta> hm, ok. which part is not clear enough?
[16:35] <mahfouz> default browser for what?
[16:39] <asac> fta: e.g. how is it done?
[16:39] <asac> atm
[16:39] <asac> do we have a reliably method to track their channels?
[16:40] <asac> or can that be forgotten in future?
[16:40] <fta> yes, http://omahaproxy.appspot.com/ is now properly populated by their internal system
[16:41] <fta> it's no longer manual
[16:41] <asac> what kind of url is that?
[16:41] <asac> appspot?
[16:42] <fta> just browse it, it's a plain text file
[16:42] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/374835/
[16:44] <asac> why is it appspot?
[16:44] <asac> i would have thought chromium.org
[16:44] <asac> #or something
[16:44] <asac> do you have a post where they say that thats now official?
[16:44] <asac> i need that info for a MIR
[16:46] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/svn/releases/LATEST.txt
[16:47] <fta> trust me, i had to fight for this to happen
[16:50] <fta> asac, ^^
[19:08] <ArneGoetje> asac: ok, now I have time for the searchplugins
[19:08] <asac> fta: was there a bug or something where i can find an official statement?
[19:08] <asac> i trust you ;) ... but committing to support this would be easier if there was a blog entry or a bug comment etc.
[19:09] <asac> ArneGoetje: hi
[19:09] <asac> ArneGoetje: so you have off the whole next week?
[19:14] <fta> asac, sorry, no idea. at some point LATEST.txt was stuck, i kept on asking to restart it but the answer was always the same "we're discussing internally", then in svn, it changed to what it is now.
[19:15] <ArneGoetje> asac: yep... national holidays
[19:16] <fta> asac, you can probably ask markmentovai or laforge for more details
[19:19] <asac> fta: do you have emails for them?
[19:19] <asac> fta: maybe send in msg
[19:19] <asac> ArneGoetje: the whole week?
[19:19] <ArneGoetje> asac: yes
[19:19] <asac> ArneGoetje: ok so what are our "first tier" languages?
[19:19] <asac> i would suggest we do the searchplugins for those
[19:20] <ArneGoetje> asac: those on the CD?
[19:20] <asac> start by copying them directly from the searchplugins/en-US dir we ship in firefox
[19:20] <asac> ArneGoetje: not sure how to define that ... but i think so
[19:20] <asac> i think we have a short list of primary locdales
[19:20] <asac> like 8 ... that we consaider most important
[19:20] <asac> like de, fr, es, pt, zh, etc.
[19:20] <ArneGoetje> asac: yeah... those get shipped on the CD
[19:21] <ArneGoetje> asac: so, what's the procedure?
[19:22] <asac> ArneGoetje: in data/10.04/firefox-3.6 create a searchplugins directory
[19:22] <asac> and there you create directories for the locales we want to ship translations for
[19:23] <asac> use the full country code variant
[19:23] <asac> e.g. de-DE, es-ES, fr-FR etc.
[19:23] <asac> for now
[19:23] <ArneGoetje> ok
[19:23] <asac> then you copy the searchplugins we currently have in en-US in there
[19:23] <asac> then fix the script so those get shipped in /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/LANGCODE/ accordingly
[19:23] <asac> when that is working let me know
[19:23] <asac> i tell you how to test that
[19:24] <asac> and give you a couple of searchplugins we should change in the first patch
[19:24] <asac>  batch
[19:26] <ArneGoetje> asac: ok
[19:27] <ArneGoetje> asac: where do the searchplugins come from? firefox source package?
[19:28] <asac> ArneGoetje: let me give you the initial batch. in the end we should pull them from a firefox branch i have to dig out ... but that can happen in next batch
[19:29] <ArneGoetje> asac: ok
[19:30] <asac> ArneGoetje: http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/searchplugins.en-US.tar.gz
[19:30] <asac> ArneGoetje: dont ship en-US that way for now ... e.g. skip it. we already ship those in the package
[19:30] <asac> but use those plugins for all langs atm
[19:30] <asac> once we have tested it i will give you updated yahoo ones ;)
[19:30] <ArneGoetje> asac: all langs except en-US
[19:30] <asac> for each lang
[19:31] <asac> right
[19:31] <asac> do the first tier langs for now
[19:31] <asac> everything else can happen after a3
[19:40] <ArneGoetje> asac: do we need a full-export from rosetta for shipping those searchplugins, or is a delta update sufficient?
[19:41] <asac> ArneGoetje: i think we dont need any export/update
[19:41] <asac> just the same sources you used before
[19:41] <asac> as long as the searchplugins/ end up in the right place on users system its fine
[19:48] <fta> big jump for the beta.. chromium-browser (<IP_ADDRESS>~r34537 -> 5.0.307.7~r38400) [85.41MB (+5745kB, +6.72%)]
[19:52] <asac> nice
[19:52] <asac> i love that we are getting a beta in the archive
[19:53] <asac> fta: we should try to see how they handle security updates there
[19:53] <asac> e.g. do they bump it with individual patches etc.
[19:53] <asac> or are there never any security fixes at all etc.
[19:53] <asac> jdstrand: do you see webkit CVEs on vendor-sec sometimes?
[19:53] <asac> i would like to see how well chromium fixes those
[19:55] <fta> asac, they say they update all the branches that need to be updated (creating a new version immediately visible in the channel(s)). the QA seems to happen after the commits but before they bump the channels
[19:56] <fta> meaning there are plenty of releases (with tags) that never end up in the channels
[19:56] <fta> it's up to the release manager to give the go for a channel bump
[19:58] <asac> fta: how can we track that?
[19:58] <asac> e.g. how do we know if all landed
[19:58] <asac> and is working fine
[19:59] <asac> and what issues are addressed?
[19:59] <asac> do they send out release info somewhere?
[20:00] <fta> maybe by digging into http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/CHROMIUM/search?path=/branches
[20:02] <asac> hmm. thats painful ;)
[20:03] <asac> so for beta updates the stuff would land on 307 branch?
[20:03] <fta> http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/
[20:03] <fta> yep 307
[20:03] <asac> so is that 307 commit in our current package?
[20:03] <asac> e.g. Merge 38320 - Enable the use of Freetype's emboldening in Chrome/Linux. Skia's is not so pretty.
[20:03]  * asac wonders what kind of stable update that is ;)
[20:16] <asac> micahg: we wanted to add something for next firefox 3.6 update, right?
[20:16]  * asac wonders what that was
[20:16]  * asac should take more detailed notes given his brain capacities
[20:19] <jdstrand> asac: not usually vendor-sec. the ubuntu-security team is on the webkit security mailing list though
[20:26] <asac> jdstrand: right. could you check if http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/ and http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/CHROMIUM/search?path=/branches would be a good enough source to verify those in chromium?
[20:26] <asac> anyway. i will ask how we can do this
[20:26] <asac> i assume they have some ideas ;)
[20:26] <asac> will come back to you
[20:27] <jdstrand> asac: verify 'those'? what are 'those'? webkit CVEs? they surely won't publicly commit or blog until after they release
[20:28] <jdstrand> asac: iirc google hsa let webkit security know ahead of time
[20:34] <asac> ok. i think we should talk a bit more in depth on this whole topic. maybe with kees? on monday?
[20:34] <asac> jdstrand: ?
[20:35] <micahg> asac: was apport hook
[20:37] <asac> micahg: right.
[20:44] <jdstrand> asac: we can do that-- we have a standing security meeting at 18:00 UTC
[20:44] <ArneGoetje> asac: sorry, I need to sleep. Please send me a mail with the steps I need to do and I will follow up with it.
[20:44] <jdstrand> asac: in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:47] <asac> jdstrand: i think we should talk on the phone to get a few things sorted. we can then present the results in a meeting
[20:49] <micahg> about the vars for the TB scripts, are these ok: FOUND_OLD, FOUND_CURRENT, FOUND_BETA
[20:50] <micahg> old => .m-tb, current => .tb, beta => .tb-3
[20:50] <micahg> asac: ^^
[20:50] <asac> micahg: paste the script please ... i lack context ;)
[20:51] <micahg> asac: here's the part that defines the vars: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/374978/
[20:55] <micahg> brb 10 min
[21:15] <fta> d'oh! http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/12/man-smashes-27-tvs-a.html
[21:30] <micahg> back
[21:30] <micahg> asac: are my vars ok?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> evening o/
[22:06] <fta> asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/channels
[22:07] <BUGabundo> enh?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> what's that?
[22:08] <fta> read the description :)
[22:09] <fta> the idea is to remember when each channel was updated
[22:09] <fta> so i've implemented a kind of watcher storing the changes in a bzr branch
[22:10] <BUGabundo> fta: did you kill Buzz??
[22:10] <fta> kill?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> nothing going on there! just stopped
[22:13] <fta> lol
[22:15] <micahg> asac: you still around to review my script?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> oldie but still VERY funny http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Karaoke%20pra%20Surdo%20e%20Mudo.wmv Karaoke pra Surdo e Mudo
[22:19] <asac> micahg: yes
[22:21] <asac> bbib
[22:47] <asac> micahg: script working or still struggeling?
[22:47] <micahg> asac: thought I had it, but it's not working...
[22:47] <micahg> asac: should I pastebin the while file?
[22:47] <micahg> *whole
[22:48] <asac> if you need help, yes.
[22:48] <asac> whats the problem?
[22:48] <micahg> well, it's not picking up the old profile
[22:49] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/fa3caf6c
[22:49] <micahg> line 86 and on
[22:49] <micahg> I still have to change some ff references
[22:52] <micahg> asac: I have to go, should I push up what I have or work on it more sat night?
[22:52] <asac> micahg: you seem to not mv the OLD one if there is no CURRENT one
[22:52] <micahg> asac: good catch....
[22:52] <asac> mv $HOMEDIR/$CURRENT $HOMEDIR/$CURRENT.$$
[22:52] <asac> micahg: what does that do?
[22:52]  * micahg never moves the old one :(
[22:53] <asac> right
[22:53] <micahg> asac: hopefully unique name if there's an .upstream folder already
[22:53] <asac> nah
[22:53] <asac> lets just not move it if the .upstream one already exists imo
[22:53] <asac> if .upstream exists we consider the old migration done
[22:53] <asac> if a .mozilla-thunderbird comes back, its not our business
[22:54] <asac> assuming we properly move that one
[22:54] <asac> ok fix that when back ;)
[22:54] <asac> i am out now for a bit too
[22:59] <micahg> asac: k, i guess I have to finish tomorrow night...
[23:11] <fta> -linux,dev,5.0.307.5
[23:11] <fta> +linux,dev,5.0.322.2
[23:12] <fta> asac, ^^
[23:15] <asac> yes. but can we track beta for now?
[23:26] <fta> sure, just to show you that all branches move very quickly