[17:59] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[17:59] <pavlushka> zaki: have you created a customized twrp recovery?
[18:09] <zaki> pavlushka, nah
[18:25] <pavlushka> zaki: wait, I didn't finish.
[18:25] <pavlushka> zaki: ever?
[18:40] <zaki> pavlushka, nah
[18:40] <pavlushka> lol


[01:12] <chris4585> last time I upgraded a miracle happened and recovered my encrypted /home while before I couldn't access it
[02:35] <wrst> netritious: is it working? :)
[02:35] <netritious> not as well as the first upgrade, but not to bad that I can tell yet.
[02:36] <netritious> although I did have to fsck an lvm managed partition that's 1TB :/
[02:36] <netritious> after the 12.04 upgrade
[02:37] <netritious> not blaming that on the upgrade...could have been anything I guess.
[02:38] <netritious> the drives aren't exactly new anymore wrst
[02:38] <wrst> hmm but it is working?
[02:39] <netritious> about to find out
[02:40] <wrst> hope so :)
[02:40] <wrst> 8.04 to 10.04 to 12.04 in one day is asking a lot :)
[02:40] <wrst> that's four years worth!
[02:42] <netritious> I think I see what happened. For some reason SEC_TYPE="ext2" was assigned to the /dev/vg/lv
[02:43] <netritious> that doesn't seem right to me
[02:45] <wrst> LVM confuses me
[02:46] <netritious> well I fsck'ed it because ubuntu kept telling me it was going to after reboot, but never really seemed to do the check
[02:48] <netritious> now it's complaining about something else :/
[02:49] <netritious> but everythign seems to be working
[02:49] <netritious> *everything
[02:49] <wrst> sounds like being married everything can be fine yet the significant other complains :)
[02:50] <netritious> exactly
[02:52] <netritious> Linux 3.2.0-29-generic-pae #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 27 17:25:43 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[02:53] <wrst> nice
[02:53] <RagnarokAngel> It's friday night, the channel must be hopping, amirite?
[02:53] <wrst> greeetings RagnarokAngel
[02:53] <RagnarokAngel> hey wrst
[02:53] <wrst> of course :)
[02:54] <wrst> actually i'm hopping to bed, goodnight RagnarokAngel, netritious
[02:54] <RagnarokAngel> 'night wrst
[02:54] <netritious> night wrst
[02:54] <netritious> hello RagnarokAngel
[02:54] <RagnarokAngel> hey netritious
[02:54] <RagnarokAngel> how's things?
[02:57] <netritious> ok, you?
[02:58] <RagnarokAngel> school's about to start
[02:58] <RagnarokAngel> again
[02:59] <netritious> could be worse, right?
[02:59] <RagnarokAngel> yeah
[03:00] <RagnarokAngel> I'm tired of going to school
[03:00] <RagnarokAngel> but it's not awful
[03:04] <RagnarokAngel> somehow azure ray and beer doesn't make it better...
[03:07] <netritious> lol
[03:09] <RagnarokAngel> I swear I have one of the most depressing collections of music
[04:51] <binarymutant>  wooo new laptop
[04:54] <chris4585> binarymutant, whoo~
[04:55] <binarymutant> whoo
[04:55] <chris4585> binarymutant, retired your old one?
[04:56] <binarymutant> yep, no more nvidia bugs
[04:56] <binarymutant> this is what I have now http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/321957-321957-64295-3740645-4307559-4097189-4097193-4307958.html?dnr=1
[04:58] <chris4585> nice, but I don't think I've heard of that chipset before
[04:58] <binarymutant> i5?
[04:59] <chris4585> nvidia
[04:59] <chris4585> NVIDIA Quadro FX 380M graphics with 512 MB gDDR3 dedicated video memory
[04:59] <chris4585> I'm not familiar with that series
[04:59] <binarymutant> oh I had a quadro 135m in the previous laptop
[05:00] <binarymutant> this ones nice, and no bugs with the nvidia driver
[05:01] <chris4585> ah, good, my ancient mobo had an 6150s nvidia, my laptop 8600 gt? my old pooped video card was a nvidia 220 gt... this mobo has radeon 4250 I think
[05:01] <chris4585> lol
[05:01] <chris4585> I like nvidia overall, but radeon's drivers aren't that bad
[05:01] <binarymutant> yeah nvidia tends to drop cards. idk if ati does though
[05:01] <binarymutant> chris4585: are you still on arch?
[05:01] <chris4585> yeah
[05:02] <binarymutant> did you update today? The latest kernel didn't work for me :/
[05:03] <chris4585> I did update the kernel but I don't ever boot the normal kernels, I can if you'd like
[05:03] <binarymutant> nah that's alright
[05:03] <binarymutant> I'm sure it'll get fixed
[05:03] <binarymutant> I'm on 3.4.9 right now
[05:04] <chris4585> /exec -o uname -a
[05:04] <chris4585> er
[05:04] <chris4585> Linux archbang 3.4.4-3-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 22:25:24 EDT 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:04] <chris4585> I'm a little outdated but I don't really need to use the latest
[05:05] <binarymutant> ah ok
[05:06] <chris4585> building a kernel takes like forever
[05:06] <chris4585> lol
[05:06] <binarymutant> you compile your own?
[05:06] <binarymutant> wow
[05:06] <chris4585> well no, aur does
[05:06] <binarymutant> same thing
[05:06] <chris4585> but it does all the compiling and it takes forever
[05:06] <binarymutant> I bet, I wouldn't do it
[05:07] <chris4585> lol, I have to for pae :(
[05:07] <binarymutant> pae is for more than 8gb right?
[05:07] <chris4585> more than 4gbs
[05:07] <binarymutant> hmm I wonder if I need to do pae now..
[05:08] <chris4585> how much ram do you have?
[05:08] <binarymutant> idk, and I'm ashamed to admit it but idk how to find out..
[05:09] <chris4585> ubuntu has the pae kernel already built as a binary package? and auto detects if you need the pae kernel and does it with no input so that is nice
[05:09] <binarymutant> looks like 3gb
[05:09] <chris4585> well top or htop could tell you?
[05:09] <binarymutant> yeah
[05:09] <binarymutant> I just realized that
[05:10] <binarymutant> 3gb seems an odd number..
[05:10] <chris4585> yeah, a little, I like even numbers
[05:11] <binarymutant> ah maybe I can add the ram from the previous laptop
[05:11] <chris4585> it looks like a nice little laptop, slightly better than mine, but mine is like 5 years old now
[05:12] <chris4585> I would rather have a i5 than my centrino...
[05:12] <chris4585> yeah thats way better than mine lol
[05:12] <chris4585> mine gets way too hot when watching flash
[05:12] <binarymutant> man ddr3
[05:13] <binarymutant> chris4585: yeah I had to buy one of those laptop fans
[05:13] <binarymutant> I think it was less than 15 at walmart
[05:13] <chris4585> if I had to use mine more like a stationary desktop I definitely would too
[05:13] <chris4585> ah
[05:14] <binarymutant> can I put a ddr2 stick in a ddr3 slot?
[05:15] <binarymutant> nvm, it's a no
[05:15] <chris4585> I don't think so, but ddr3 is cheap
[05:15] <binarymutant> cheap like free?
[05:15] <chris4585> I think for an 8gb kit it was like $30 - $40 depending
[05:16] <chris4585> lol
[05:16] <chris4585> 16gb kits are like $70 - $80
[05:16] <binarymutant> that's not that bad
[05:16] <chris4585> that is for desktop though I'm not sure about laptop ram
[05:16] <chris4585> yeah ram was surprisingly cheap
[05:17] <binarymutant> newegg puts laptop ram right around 50$ ... idk maybe I can find some ddr3 somewhere
[05:17] <binarymutant> not like I need it, 3Gb is awesome right now
[05:18] <chris4585> lol yeah
[05:19] <chris4585> I don't ever get close to 4gbs on linux, only if I have some serious program like gimp running with a file resolution of like 5,000x5,000 and several layers
[05:20] <chris4585> thats with like 80 tabs open in chromium, I only ever use like 2.5gbs or near 3gbs which is about 35% of ram
[05:20] <binarymutant> 5kx5k holy crap
[05:20] <binarymutant> jeeze you push yours to the limit
[05:20] <chris4585> 5kx5k for like vectoring or something
[05:20] <chris4585> vector art is beautiful...
[05:21] <binarymutant> like svg?
[05:21] <chris4585> yeah
[05:22] <chris4585> I haven't done that in a while
[05:22] <binarymutant> have you used gimp2.8/
[05:22] <binarymutant> ?
[05:23] <binarymutant> it's freaking awesome. 1 window :D
[05:24] <chris4585> yeah, its alright, I like the nice additions beside the single window, because I kind of like moving the smaller windows while I do work some, so the multiple windows don't bother me
[05:25] <binarymutant> plus your on openbox
[05:25] <binarymutant> man pre2.8 gimp was horrible on tiling window managers
[05:25] <chris4585> what do you mean?
[05:25] <chris4585> openbox = non tiling?
[05:25] <chris4585> gotcha
[05:25] <binarymutant> yeah openbox is a floating
[05:25] <binarymutant> ehwm or whatever it's called
[05:25] <chris4585> I couldn't imagine using it on tiling
[05:26] <binarymutant> ewhm*
[05:26] <binarymutant> it was unbearable, 2.8 rocks though
[05:27] <chris4585> yeah :)
[05:28] <binarymutant> I think you can make it multiple windows still
[05:28] <chris4585> yeah, you can
[05:28] <chris4585> which is awesome, I love gimp
[05:29] <binarymutant> yeah, it's a must have
[05:30] <chris4585> yeah, I honestly have issues using other programs because I'm so used to gimp, photoshop I still don't know how to do half the things I know I can do in gimp
[05:30] <chris4585> paint.net is a good windows alternative though
[05:31] <binarymutant> never heard of it :/
[05:32] <chris4585> http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/freesoftware/ig/Free-Graphics-Software/Paint-NET.htm
[05:33] <chris4585> its pretty good, the filters and effects are better than default gimp I think
[05:33] <binarymutant> hm, idk I'll stick with gimp
[05:33] <chris4585> well, they both have their good points I suppose
[05:33] <binarymutant> can paint.net use photoshop brushes and gradients and stuff/
[05:34] <chris4585> possibly, I'm not sure it can import psn/psd files and export them
[05:36] <binarymutant> hm, if I'm ever on windows again I'll try it out
[05:37] <netritious> nice upgrade binarymutant :)
[05:37] <binarymutant> yeah man, it's waay faster
[05:37] <netritious> might want to check out that you aren't using triple-channel memory before upgrading.
[05:38] <binarymutant> what's that?
[05:38] <binarymutant> and how?
[05:38] <netritious> makes ram faster
[05:38] <netritious> more bandwidth
[05:38] <netritious> look at the hardware specs
[05:38] <binarymutant> just says 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 SDRAM
[05:39] <netritious> it shoudl tell you. I mean, it could be that you have 1x 1GB chip and 1x 2GB chip
[05:39] <binarymutant> maybe, I haven't opened up that part yet
[05:39] <binarymutant> I've never heard of a 3gb stick so prolly
[05:39] <netritious> easiest way to find out is pop off the memory access panel on the laptop
[05:40] <binarymutant> :D  I know how to check it
[05:40] <netritious> :D
[05:40] <binarymutant> the screwdriver is in the other room and I'm being lazy, plus it's 2am here
[05:41] <netritious> lol
[05:41] <netritious> nothing wrong with that
[05:41] <netritious> just upgraded from 8.04 to 10.04 to 12.04 on a 12 year old (BIOS date says 2000) server
[05:41] <binarymutant> whoa
[05:41] <binarymutant> still good/
[05:41] <binarymutant> ?
[05:41] <netritious> been running 8.04 on it for a few years now
[05:41] <netritious> everything seems fine
[05:42] <binarymutant> pretty cool
[05:42] <binarymutant> no Xorg right?
[05:42] <netritious> had a few hiccups but nothing serious
[05:42] <netritious> nope
[05:42] <binarymutant> yeah it should be good forever
[05:43] <chris4585> nice netritious
[05:43] <netritious> ubuntu did all the work. I just had the guts chris4585 XD
[05:43] <binarymutant> I can't even think of anything ubuntu could do on Server Edition to bump up system requirements...
[05:44] <netritious> i had plenty of contingencies if things went wrong. it was in the works to retire the system this year, or early next year
[05:45] <binarymutant> you got another one lined up or something?
[05:45] <netritious> yeah, well for the disks anyway.
[05:45] <netritious> 4x 1TB WD Green drives
[05:45] <binarymutant> !
[05:46] <binarymutant> I need that
[05:46] <netritious> the system drive is IDE 160GB but only b/c the server wouldn't work at all without an IDE drive
[05:46] <binarymutant> yeah I was just wondering when sata came out
[05:46] <netritious> ancient hardware in this thing binarymutant lol...
[05:46] <netritious> chris4585 and I were chatting about it earlier today
[05:47] <binarymutant> where do you guys go for cheap hardware? like hdd
[05:50] <netritious> binarymutant: I haven't bought any drives in over a year, but typically newegg
[05:50] <binarymutant> nvm, 1tb is still around 100$ :(
[05:50] <netritious> although lately they seem way overpriced
[05:50] <binarymutant> by the time I get a Tb everyone will be onto Pb
[05:50] <netritious> yeah if my drives hold out then I will be waiting until next year when prices are expected to go back to normal
[05:51] <netritious> nah....if so only in the cloud binarymutant
[05:51] <netritious> going to catch some z's...later
[05:52] <binarymutant> night
[06:24] <chris4585> binarymutant, there is tigerdirect and ncix, I also like frozencpu
[06:24] <binarymutant> chris4585: thanks, I'll have to hold out, hdds are too expensive
[06:24] <chris4585> besides newegg, sometimes newegg isn't the cheapest
[06:26] <chris4585> it seems everyone in my house need hard drives, I need one for my tv comp, my parents need one for a upgrade, my brother needs one for more ps3 space, my friend needs one for his xbox lol
[06:26] <binarymutant> lols
[06:27] <chris4585> but some things can be switched up if I could just upgrade my parents hdd for our other new comp I could get extra space on my tv comp
[06:27] <binarymutant> yeah thats what I do
[06:29] <chris4585> its kind of funny, one computer gets and upgrade and it causes a cascading affect
[06:29] <binarymutant> yeah
[06:29] <binarymutant> the hand me down line
[06:31] <chris4585> I really want to upgrade my tv comp to a newer slimmer case but I'm saving up for a tv instead :< and $50 for a slimmer case is almost ridiculous
[06:31] <chris4585> but the thing I hate is usually you have to buy a slimmer psu with the case too :/
[06:32] <binarymutant> raspberry pi
[06:34] <binarymutant> course they take 10 freaking weeks to get delivered
[06:34] <chris4585> lol
[19:41] <wrst> wb chris4585
[19:41] <chris4585> thanks wrst
[19:42] <Unit193> Didn't welcome back ChanServ?  Or ubuntulog?
[19:44] <wrst> Unit193: i welcome back ChanServ more than i care to admit to!
[19:47] <netritious> Unit193: that's because wrst loves ChanServ but is afraid to admit it.
[19:48] <netritious> i think it's robophobia but not certain
[19:48] <Unit193> His wife wouldn't be happy to learn this...
[19:51] <netritious> wrst should give us channel ops Unit193 so we don't tell
[19:52] <Unit193> I'm good with that.
[19:52] <wrst> don't see why that would hurt actually :)
[19:52] <Unit193> :P
[19:52] <netritious> lol lovin' ChanServ never hurt anyone
[19:56] <Unit193> Would you like to listen to my pandora station with me? :D
[19:57] <Unit193> Now Playing: The Vitamin String Quartet - Boulevard Of Broken Dreams
[20:04] <chris4585> wrst, lol


[15:50] <cpaelzer> FYI - todays Server IRC Meeting cancelled due to 4th of july
[15:51]  * genii puts the coffeepot away and stacks the chairs back up
[17:54] <Kilos> lol hi genii
[17:55] <Kilos> hello everyone else
[17:57]  * genii makes sure Kilos gets a great tasting mug of coffee
[17:58] <Kilos> wooohooooo ty genii
[17:59] <genii> :D


[00:14] <canthus13> Unit193: Mine routes quite well.  And some of them have a telnet interface that you can activate...
[00:15] <canthus13> It's a little sluggish, but I have no complaints in general.  I've got a v7 that only gets reset if there's a power failure. :)
[00:31] <Unit1931> Know anything about v5?
[00:31] <Unit1931> I like irssi better then I did last week... but I still like finch better
[00:34] <Cheri703> I have my biggest dog curled up next to me on the couch...she kind of stinks
[00:37] <dmcglone> Hi all, I have grub installed on my 2nd drive and I thought it was installed on my 1st drive, does anyone know how I can install it on my 1st drive instead?
[00:37] <Unit1931> heya dmcglone!
[00:38] <dmcglone> Hi
[00:40] <dmcglone> is sata hot swappable?
[00:40] <Cheri703> not as far as I know
[00:42] <dmcglone> I had to get me a new dvd rom and it's sata and I only have 2 sata power cords and I'm trying to unplug my 2nd hard drive to use the power cord for the dvd rom but if I unplug the 2nd drive I can't boot because it seems I accidently installed grub on my 2nd drive instead of on the MBR
[00:43] <Unit1931> SuperGrubDisk
[00:43] <Cheri703> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=529776
[00:43] <Cheri703> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938299
[00:46] <dmcglone> thanks I'm gonna try that
[01:22] <Unit1931> as much as I love finch, I may have to switch to irssi for IRC...
[02:20] <Unit1931> dmcglone: Been having fun with moonlight? (been moonlighting :D )
[02:34] <dmcglone> Cheri703: , them grub pages didn't work :-(
[02:34] <Cheri703> that sucks
[02:34] <dmcglone> nah Unit it's basically like flash
[02:35] <dmcglone> what's screwed up is my grub is on my 1st drive, but when I remove my second drive it croaks and won't run
[02:36] <dmcglone> I'm about to boot into windows and restore the MBR and then re-install grub later
[02:37] <dmcglone> All I want to do is temporarily plug in a dvd player till I can get a splitter or adapter for the power cord
[02:38] <dmcglone> I'll be back
[02:38] <Cheri703> k
[03:22] <dmcglone> Ok I found the adapter at microcenterrr. Looks like no C&C tonight
[03:37] <Cheri703> so....yep
[03:39] <Unit193> Was?
[03:40] <Cheri703> eh...I dunno, I'm bored and ouchy
[03:41] <Unit193> Feeling better?
[03:41] <Cheri703> head is fine tonight
[03:41] <Cheri703> hip is KILLING ME
[03:41] <Cheri703> :(
[03:41] <Cheri703> blah
[03:53] <canthus13> bah. for a sec I wondered how you knew hip. (Someone in a tinychat room I know...)
[03:53] <Cheri703> heh
[03:55] <Unit193> Cheri703: It's new: Mr Sunshine (rather funny!)
[03:55] <Cheri703> will check it out
[04:12] <dmcglone> good thing I still remember how to use pico
[04:16] <Unit193> Messed with the display?
[04:18] <canthus13> pico/nano. :)
[04:20] <dmcglone> Yeah I'm messing with my monitor displays. as you all can see I've had a lot of crap going these past couple days.. LOL
[04:21] <dmcglone> anybody know what's wrong with this:
[04:21] <dmcglone> xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto right-of DVI-0
[04:21] <dmcglone> Is it wrong?
[04:22]  * canthus13 usually uses Nano.
[04:22] <Unit193> I just gotta ask: Did you issue the pico command?
[04:22] <dmcglone> Yes Unit
[04:22] <dmcglone> canthus13: I never did use nano
[04:22]  * Unit193 doesn't like vim
[04:22] <Unit193> pico = nano
[04:22] <dmcglone> no Unit
[04:22]  * BiosElement kills Unit193 for not liking vim
[04:22]  * canthus13 never knew pico was available in ubuntu.
[04:23] <dmcglone> for some reason pico just always clicked with me
[04:24] <canthus13> Oh. heh. pico <whatever> launches nano.
[04:24] <Unit193> BiosElement: You like vim? vimperator?
[04:24] <BiosElement> vim FTW!
[04:24] <BiosElement> Don't use vimperator since I don't use FF :P
[04:26] <Unit193> Knowing all the kayboard shotcuts doesn't work for me... (plus half the time they don't seem to work)
[04:28] <Cheri703> dmcglone: possibly the vga-0? mine is just vga# no -
[04:29] <Cheri703> I don't have the --auto, mine is just --left-of
[04:31] <dmcglone> Cheri703: can you show me your whole line?
[04:31] <Cheri703> xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of LVDS1
[04:32] <dmcglone> I tried that.. Hmmm
[04:32] <Cheri703> do the other steps complete properly?
[04:32] <dmcglone> xrandr --output VGA-0 right-of DVI-0
[04:32] <dmcglone> when I try that it spits out all the things I can use for xrandr
[04:33] <Cheri703> I have the line for "newmode" then "addmode" then "output vga mode" then "output lvds mode" then "output location"
[04:33] <Cheri703> are you sure it's vga-0? vs vga0?
[04:34] <Cheri703> http://paste.ubuntu.com/569453/
[04:34] <dmcglone> david@buddy:~$ xrandr -q
[04:34] <dmcglone> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096
[04:34] <dmcglone> VGA-0 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 4
[04:35] <dmcglone> where did you put this file at?
[04:35] <Cheri703> I run it as a script from the home folder
[04:35]  * Cheri703 made a launcher for it
[04:36] <dmcglone> Hmmm
[04:40] <dmcglone> Cheri703: what is this pertain to: 106.50
[04:41] <Cheri703> uhm, hang on
[04:44] <Cheri703> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Dynamically%20setup%20with%20xrandr
[04:44] <Cheri703> that was generated for me
[04:45] <Cheri703> the 106.5 was generated
[04:46] <Cheri703> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7063407&postcount=3
[04:47] <Cheri703> basically that ^^ without adding to xorg conf
[04:50] <dmcglone> cool I'm close
[04:50] <dmcglone> got the monitors backwards I think
[04:52] <dmcglone> Ok fixed that, but it's still not perfect. seems small
[04:53] <Cheri703> so try another size
[04:53] <Cheri703> I looked up all of the 16:10 ratios so I could play with them
[04:55] <dmcglone> ok brb
[04:56] <dmcglone> I logged out and back and everything worked perfectly
[04:56] <Cheri703> awesome!
[04:57] <Cheri703> I made the launcher so I can just hit the button when I connect my second monitor
[04:57] <Cheri703> (and for the record, that's the same script I gave you last time ;) )
[04:57] <dmcglone> I set mine to auto execute
[04:59] <dmcglone> Ok I'm gonna log out and back in just to be sure LOL
[04:59] <Cheri703> nice
[05:00] <dmcglone> perfect
[05:00] <Cheri703> awesome!
[05:00] <Cheri703> wonder why it worked this time and not before?
[05:01] <dmcglone> I have no idea.
[05:01] <Cheri703> strange
[05:01] <Cheri703> eh, at least it's working :)
[05:01] <dmcglone> it sure is
[05:01] <dmcglone> I'll tell ya, I'm stuck on this here KDE 4.6
[05:02] <Cheri703> heh, maybe I'll download it
[05:02] <Cheri703> eventually
[05:03] <dmcglone> One more test. reboot.. LOL brb
[05:10] <dmcglone> works but my desktop effects are disabled for some reason
[05:11] <Cheri703> small price to pay
[05:55] <dmcglone> somehow my desktop effects got broken
[05:55] <Cheri703> :/
[06:14] <dmcglone> it seems the culprit is in my ./kde folder. I'll track it down tomorrow. for now I'm off to bed
[06:14] <Unit193> backup and delete ;)
[06:15] <Cheri703> night
[06:15] <dmcglone> Yup.


[01:05] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi! I am a Ubuntu Member, and I would like a cloak for my IRC username. My launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/~joseeantonior
[01:07] <rww> elky: around?
[01:08] <rww> JoseeAntonioR: everything looks fine on your end, just need to wait for an IRCC member to turn up and okay the cloak request
[01:08] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok. I'll wait.
[01:10] <IdleOne> Congrats JoseeAntonioR
[01:10] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne Thanks
[01:11] <IdleOne> JoseeAntonioR: I saw you mention something about your @ubuntu.com email. wait until Tuesday if it not working then you can email. I believe it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:12] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne Yes. I'll wait, as I need to confirm that it's working in order to print my bussines cards.
[01:12] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne Thanks.
[01:12] <IdleOne> indeed :)
[01:12] <IdleOne> sure thing
[01:12] <JoseeAntonioR> Are you from the IRC team?
[01:12] <IdleOne> depends which team you mean
[01:13] <rww> JoseeAntonioR: IdleOne and I are both on the IRC Team. We need someone from our Council for cloak stuff, though :)
[01:13] <JoseeAntonioR> Oh. I thought it was the same.
[01:13] <IdleOne> oh, yes I am part of the IRC opteam, not a couincil member though
[01:13] <IdleOne> err
[01:13] <IdleOne> op team* council*
[01:13] <rww> JoseeAntonioR: nope. All of the #ubuntu* core channel ops are in the IRC Team, there are five Council members, and four group contacts
[01:14] <rww> we usually just pretend the latter two are identical, though, for brevity
[01:14] <JoseeAntonioR> I understand. I know that some people find it confusing.
[01:34]  * rww mutters something about voting out all the Finns in favor of some people with non-overlapping timezones
[01:36] <macer1> I want to translate ubottu texts, is there a launchpad project for that?
[01:36] <macer1> texts like
[01:36] <macer1> !11.10
[01:37] <rww> macer1: no. foreign-language channels with ubottu clones can submit channel-specific translated factoid requests, though
[01:37] <rww> the syntax is !factoid-#channelname is <reply> translated text here
[01:38] <macer1> !11.10-#ubuntu-pl
[01:38] <rww> e.g. #bot-#ubuntu-fr is <reply> Quelque chose ici
[01:39] <macer1> hmm...
[01:39] <rww> erm, !bot-#ubuntu-fr, not #bot-#ubuntu-fr
[01:40] <macer1> on ubuntu-PL channel we have our own bot, so we consider adding ubottu functions or adding ubottu to our channel.
[01:41] <macer1> !bot-#ubuntu-pl is <reply> Bot jest botem
[01:41] <macer1> OK, just testing.
[01:41] <macer1> So what exatcly plugins is ubottu using?
[01:42] <rww> yeah, you don't have an official ubottu clone in there, so making #ubuntu-pl ones isn't pointful
[01:42] <rww> !botclone
[01:42] <macer1> I know
[01:42] <macer1> we have supybot on our channels, just plugin list.
[01:42] <macer1> *channel
[01:45] <macer1> I want ubottu to join PL channel, but I cant reach channel founder :/
[01:47] <macer1> because channel founder must ask?
[01:51] <IdleOne> 0912 [15:43:06] <tsimpson> I'd want someone from the ubuntu-pl LoCo team or someone with +f to ask
[01:51] <macer1> ok, thanks for searching logs for me ;]
[01:52] <macer1> Well i am in Polish LoCo team...
[01:53] <IdleOne> macer1: correct but you are not a admin or founder. we went through all this last Monday.
[01:53] <macer1> ah ok
[01:53] <IdleOne> macer1: the rules don't change just because we want them to.
[01:56] <macer1> OK, ubuntu have no control of LoCo ubuntu channels, yes?
[01:57] <IdleOne> technically, no.
[01:58] <IdleOne> but the Ubuntu LoCo council does
[01:59] <macer1> !lococouncil
[02:00] <IdleOne> !loco
[02:00] <rww> macer1: depends on what you mean by "Ubuntu" and "control
[02:02] <macer1> I can't find a mail or other contact to #ubuntu-pl founder :(, so I was thinking that maybe Ubuntu Team has ops there or something like that.
[02:03] <rww> macer1: the IRC Council can request channel transfers, but given that that channel has multiple active operators, this is unlikely to happen
[02:03] <macer1> rww, I understand
[02:08] <IdleOne> macer1: work with the current ops in that channel.
[02:08] <macer1> op accepted that
[02:11] <macer1> but I need founder to ask...
[02:24] <nigelb> Hi
[02:24] <nigelb> I'd like to talk to someone about having a bot in a channel
[02:24] <IdleOne> nigelb: which channel?
[02:24] <IdleOne> which bot?
[02:25] <nigelb> IdleOne: I'm thinking of having a bot which announces commits to the code base for #ubuntu-website
[02:25] <IdleOne> do we have a bot that does that?
[02:25] <nigelb> No
[02:25] <IdleOne> hehe
[02:25] <nigelb> I'll have to run it myself
[02:25] <IdleOne> go for it
[02:26] <nigelb> awesome, thanks
[02:26] <nigelb> I'm trying to see if cia.vc bots like bzr. If not, welll, yay supybot.
[02:27] <IdleOne> nigelb:usually bot requests are for ubottu clones and logbot which are done via email but nothing stops you from running a bot of your own, provided you have channel admin permission
[02:27] <nigelb> I probably don't, but that's something trivial.
[02:28] <nigelb> I can check with whoever owns the channel
[02:28] <IdleOne> cool beans
[03:20] <m4v> nigelb: CIA works with bzr, we use in in #ubuntu-bots-devel
[03:34] <elky> m4v, (for something else different altogether) do you know if it works with review based commit workflows like gerrit?
[03:39] <nigelb> m4v: bUt isn't it a client side thing
[03:56] <m4v> nigelb: yes
[04:00] <m4v> elky: no idea :/
[04:01] <nigelb> m4v: Yeah, I wwas looking for something like what elky said.
[04:02] <m4v> bzr has a plugin for CIA stuff, your commits get announced when you "bzr commit" your local changes, no matter if the commit actually ends or not in the remote branch
[04:02] <rww> elky: meh, you just missed that user who wanted a cloak :<
[04:02] <elky> rww, i was out walking then :(
[04:03] <rww> ::blame::
[04:03] <elky> It seems I should stop leaving the house, purely because of this silly cloaking workflow.
[04:03] <elky> Every time I'm busy or afk, someone asks for stuff that needs them around for.
[04:03] <rww> be on 24/7 also
[04:04] <nigelb> heh
[04:05] <elky> Maybe we should just make you GC, rww. You're on 24/7 :P
[04:06] <rww> elky: the idea had crossed my mind. maybe I'll run for IRCC on the platform "I DO STUFF AT TIMES"
[04:06] <elky> rww, the only complication being, can't be staff & GC, it's been the cause of fail before.
[04:06] <nigelb> I think a better planform for rww is "I AM ONLINE ALL THE TIME AND KNOW ALL THE NICKS EVERYONE EVER USED"
[04:06] <m4v> approve all cloaks requests by default, and revoke later when need
[04:07] <rww> elky: one of my costaffers is a GC for another popular namespace :\
[04:07] <elky> m4v, nonononono.
[04:07] <rww> elky: or is this an Ubuntu thing
[04:07] <elky> rww, this is an ubuntu thing. Previous GC staffers have been very bad at doing stuff secretly and not telling other IRCC.
[04:07] <rww> m4v: more like "allow staffers who know the process to jfdi", but we like paperwork here
[04:08] <rww> elky: hrm, true
[04:09] <nigelb> m4v / elky: The only way to get bzr to do a CIA.vc like thing is to modify the RSS plugin. Launchpad does have RSS feeds. But currently, if you use it, its very ugly :-)
[04:09] <m4v> that's was my idea, tell staff "all request approved unless noted otherwise" but I suppose that's is what the staff doesn't want
[04:09] <elky> m4v, the blocker is that about 3 actions need to be undertaken by 2 people in the space of 30 seconds. If the staffers-who-cloak-ubuntu-people could add people to the ubuntu-cloaked-people-on-freenode LP group, then there could be a lag between a GC person saying "yes, cloak $person!" and the cloak actually happening.
[04:10] <rww> I still don't get why we need that LP group
[04:10] <elky> rww, because.
[04:10] <rww> the only time I can ever remember it being used is when that whole "IRC members" thing happened, which... is another topic
[04:10] <m4v> there was a script that checked something with that group
[04:11] <elky> I think it had a purpose once. I think that purpose may be now void. I really can't remember.
[04:11] <rww> also, I totally remember being told at some point that all those LP groups were going to be used to maintain access lists "soon". which never happened
[04:11] <rww> lol LP in general, basically
[04:11] <elky> yeah
[04:11] <elky> do you know how many LP irc operator groups I am in?
[04:11] <nigelb> That had someting to do with GRF didn't it?
[04:11] <rww> nigelb: no
[04:12] <nigelb> rww: the "LP groups being used to maintain access list thing"
[04:12] <rww> or rather, "I can't think of how it could, since GRF happened way before those teams came into being"
[04:12] <rww> nigelb: do you mean GMS?
[04:12] <nigelb> right, GMS
[04:12] <elky> nigelb, no, i think its initial purpose is mostly so we know we don't need to chase the cloak again.
[04:12] <nigelb> chase?
[04:13] <elky> nigelb, the LP group is like a checkbox thing. "Yes, this person's cloak has been done. You don't need to try get hold of them the next time they appear, and spam them with memoserv and stuff"
[04:13] <nigelb> Oh. It could check your membership in ~ubuntumembers and let GC know if someone expired so their cloak could be removed or something.
[04:13] <m4v> rww: probably that's the AccessManager plugin that now is not worked on due to bantracker/factoids plugins
[04:15] <nigelb> elky: ahhh!
[14:06] <skai> locobot_1 (~UbuntuLoc@ubuntu/bot/locobot) as i remember this is community bot?
[14:06] <skai> whats wrong with him? this week hes too often goin offline for some reason?
[14:20] <Mkaysi> In case it's supybot like ubottu it might be vulnerable to one supybot bug.
[14:23] <skai> Mkaysi: usualy he is affected by ping timeout.
[14:23] <Mkaysi> Then it's probably that issue.
[14:24] <Mkaysi> It causes the bot to ping timeout and take all resources of server which it's running on
[14:24] <skai> what issue?
[14:24] <skai> ooo
[14:24] <IdleOne> I thought locobot* was replaced by ubuntulog
[14:24] <Mkaysi> skai: https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria/issues/157
[14:24] <IdleOne> if locobot is joining/parting your channel you can ban it.
[14:25] <skai> IdleOne: was?not on our channel as i see ^_^ i wont ban him, because sometimes we need logs
[14:26] <IdleOne> a LoCo admin can request ubuntulog be joined to your channel by emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:28] <skai> IdleOne: ubuntulog is better? where to find logs online from him and what our loco admin must send in this mail?
[14:29] <IdleOne> !logs
[14:29] <IdleOne> with ubuntulog they are at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[17:35] <Nafallo> jpds: I ponder taking down pony for a bit tonight. that includes troll, and ubot2 :-P
[17:35] <jpds> Nafallo: Have fun.
[17:36] <Nafallo> jpds: you reckon people won't miss him for an hour or so on a Sunday night, right?
[17:36] <jpds> Nafallo: people should be like, weekending.
[17:36] <Nafallo> heh, yeah. agreed.
[22:35] <phillw> hi, any mailing list mods about?
[22:38] <Myrtti> ... why? Im not one, but which mailing list?
[22:48] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! Is anyone from the IRC Council here?
[22:49] <Pici> I haven't seen any of them active recently, is there something else that the rest of us could help you with though?
[22:49] <JoseeAntonioR> Well, I wanted an Ubuntu Member cloak.
[22:50] <Pici> Could you link your launchpad profile?
[22:51] <IdleOne> https://launchpad.net/~joseeantonior
[22:51] <JoseeAntonioR> Thanks, IdleOne.
[22:52] <IdleOne> jussi tsimpson elky topyli 2nd request for ubuntu cloak :)
[22:53] <elky> is there a staff around to do this?
[22:54]  * IdleOne pokes rww
[22:55] <JoseeAntonioR> Waiting...
[22:58] <phillw> Pici: I have an email waiting to be approved, the subject of which has me really puzzled
[23:00] <phillw> topyli Make Lubuntu channels core after Oneiric release 16 Sep 2011 I'm wondering what I missed out some 26 weeks ago when I got the ubuntu factoid bot, the logging bot & admin for ubuntuIRCcouncil :\
[23:01] <IdleOne> phillw: topyli sent a reply to that email.
[23:02] <IdleOne> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope for what core channels are.
[23:05] <phillw> IdleOne: I'm guessing "The operators of the above channels are expected to idle in #ubuntu-ops and are voiced in this channel - If you are an op in one of these channels and not voiced on join, then please make sure you are identified, and if that still does not help, please ping one of the IRC Council to add you to the list." is an issue? I really do not know what you require the lubuntu team to do? We have a good infrastructure, how many of our t
[23:07] <IdleOne> phillw: I can't really say...I'll let topyli answer you :)
[23:08] <phillw> IdleOne: I have not received a reply re: (00:01:28) IdleOne: phillw: topyli sent a reply to that email. as yet.
[23:08] <elky> JoseeAntonioR, I'm still trying to find a staff person to do the cloaking
[23:09] <JoseeAntonioR> elky Are you searching someone from the Freenode staff?
[23:09] <elky> jes
[23:09] <elky> yes*
[23:09] <IdleOne> phillw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/692616/ that was his reply
[23:11] <JoseeAntonioR> elky, gry is from the Freenode Staff.
[23:11] <phillw> IdleOne: then it would be rather nice for him to reply to the e-mail, so that I can go through our list of OPs and inform them?
[23:12] <IdleOne> phillw: he did reply to the email.
[23:12] <IdleOne> that is how I was able to paste it for you.
[23:12] <JoseeAntonioR> elky are you there?
[23:12] <phillw> IdleOne: I assure you that I have not received a reply. I've even checked my spam folder :(
[23:12] <IdleOne> phillw: I am not trying to argue with you, just telling you what I see
[23:13] <elky> i am, i just got a few minutes of bad lag
[23:13] <JoseeAntonioR> elky So then, gry is from the Freenode Staff.
[23:14] <phillw> IdleOne: I am not arguing! I'm just stating that no reply has been received. mail-man has 'off-days' ;)
[23:14] <IdleOne> hehe
[23:14] <elky> gry, i was just speaking to plazma before that bout of lag. you might want to touch base with him before you do the cloaking
[23:14] <elky> I'd only just got hold of him
[23:16] <IdleOne> JoseeAntonioR: Congrats.
[23:16] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne Thanks.
[23:17] <JoseeAntonioR> elky, gry, thanks for the cloak.
[23:18] <JoseeAntonioR> Sorry, does anyone know how to change the real name that appears in the info?
[23:19] <elky> in pidgin it'd be by editing the account
[23:19] <elky> it'll be in the advanced section
[23:20] <JoseeAntonioR> elky Thanks :)


[01:33] <gnomefreak> why is the bot PMing me?
[01:33] <bazhang> reminding about a ban perhaps
[01:34] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:34] <bazhang> just as it prompts when a remove or ban happens, it does so a week after a ban
[01:34] <gnomefreak> i thought it was just when it was set
[01:34] <bazhang> yep, and a week later
[01:34] <gnomefreak> k makes sense now ;)
[01:36]  * gnomefreak waits for browser to open still
[01:37] <gnomefreak> ok it reminds you and gives you a link but does not give you access
[01:37] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[01:39] <gnomefreak> see if that works for a while
[01:39] <gnomefreak> it was joobong
[01:40] <bazhang> that nick sounds familiar
[01:41] <IdleOne> I removed the ban earlier today on Jungli in #ubuntu. I only removed the ban on the ip he was using. If he comes in saying he is banned it is probably because of the ip he is using at the time. I am wondering if I should remove them all now and if anybody knows the ip's he has used or should we just wait for when he comes in?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> why would you do something like that?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: ^^
[01:42] <bazhang> he got both cloaks removed, and felt great remorse
[01:42] <IdleOne> because he came in here, spoke clearly and responded to my questions, agreed to follow the guidelines and CoC.
[01:42] <gnomefreak> after ~4days of nothing but crap?
[01:43] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: yup
[01:43] <IdleOne> he actually came in twice today. the first time just to apologize
[01:43] <IdleOne> which I know he has done before but today was without any trollish behavior
[01:44] <IdleOne> I have his nick on highlight and also have an onjoin script watching for him when he joins #ubuntu
[01:44] <gnomefreak> k works for me but i dont see what changed other than him losing cloaks that he was using to evade with
[01:45] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: we could of kept fighting him and banning, or take him on his word today that he will follow the rules and give him a chance.
[01:45] <IdleOne> could have*
[01:45] <bazhang> gnomefreak, of course many people are watching, and the next time won't be so easy. plus all his cloaks are gone.
[01:45] <gnomefreak> agreed
[01:45] <gnomefreak> lets see what happens
[01:46] <bazhang> so the switching in and out of various cloaks won't work if he tries again
[01:46] <gnomefreak> he was xox or whatever that nick was right
[01:46] <gnomefreak> dynamic IP does that for you well at least the last few digits
[01:46] <IdleOne> he used x0x,blockcold and jungli that I know of
[01:46] <bazhang> amongst others
[01:47] <bazhang> ne0|penguin as well
[01:47] <gnomefreak> yeah that i saw someone say today
[01:47] <gnomefreak> the ne0
[01:48] <IdleOne> added that nick to my highlights as well
[01:53] <IdleOne> So I didn't get an answer to my above question but I think I will leave well enough alone
[01:53] <bazhang> sorry missed it
[01:53] <gnomefreak> me too. what question
[01:54] <IdleOne> heh
[01:54] <IdleOne> my paragraph up there
[01:54] <IdleOne> I am wondering if I should remove them all now and if anybody knows the ip's he has used or should we just wait for when he comes in?
[01:54] <bazhang> oh junglis other ip bans
[01:54]  * gnomefreak was trtying to figure out what -meta is
[01:54] <IdleOne> yeah
[01:54] <bazhang> I'd wait to see if he hits them
[01:54] <gnomefreak> +1
[01:54] <IdleOne> ok
[01:54] <bazhang> provided he remains on good behaviour, a large caveat in my view
[01:54] <IdleOne> absolutely
[01:55] <IdleOne> I think he understands that we are watching him
[01:56] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: I just had to ban that same user in #u for swearing
[01:56] <bazhang> _elbchaccoaba
[01:56] <IdleOne> yes
[01:56] <bazhang> or the like
[01:57] <gnomefreak> ok well if he comes back and the damn bot leaves me alone for more than 5 minutes ill be glad to add -motu to ban
[02:50] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: the kubuntu vs ubuntu devs topic was fought out at around dapper dev cycle
[02:51] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: I was just trying to point out that just as much thought goes into kubuntu as Ubuntu
[02:51] <IdleOne> and that the people (paid and not paid) work very hard
[02:51] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: k just making sure
[02:52] <IdleOne> I was certainly was not trying to get into a debate with anybody about it
[02:52] <IdleOne> -was
[02:52] <IdleOne> heh
[05:30] <IdleOne> Flannel: he is pushing it
[05:30] <IdleOne> I think he needs a time out
[07:59] <maco> ubottu reminded me of a ban today
[07:59] <maco> it was a driveby troll pasteflood thingy
[08:00] <maco> do we count those as part of ban cleanup or leave them for resolution?
[08:08] <bazhang> probably klined, I usually just clean them out
[08:24] <Madpilot> man, it's been far too long since I was on IRC...
[08:56] <topyli> Madpilot!
[08:56] <Madpilot> hey topyli
[08:56] <Madpilot> no reliable internet here for most of June, think I finally have it sorted
[08:56] <Madpilot> wireless. I hates it.
[08:57] <topyli> you're back, that's what counts! :)
[10:43] <bazhang> going to remove him. he's had enough warnings
[10:43] <ikonia> agreed
[13:52] <bazhang> Notice, is there something you need help with?
[13:59] <bazhang> Notice, if you don't have an outstanding issue, then please don't idle here
[14:04] <ikonia> was he forwarded here ?
[14:04] <bazhang> ikonia, did not see any bans in bansearch
[14:53] <bazhang> sajes is seriously trolling
[14:54] <ikonia> watching now
[14:54] <bazhang> mentioning tanks in the context of Germany losing in the World Cup.
[14:54] <ikonia> lets see if he can reign it in
[17:02] <bazhang> aww
[17:02] <h00k> that works, too
[17:02] <h00k> :)
[17:02] <bazhang> wait I got the remove you got the ban. weird
[17:02] <h00k> I just did +q
[17:02] <bazhang> err mute yeah sorry
[17:02] <h00k> /aq chrissfaya
[17:03] <h00k> I have to turn the debug mode off my auto_bleh because it tells me over 9000 lines of what it wants to do.
[17:03] <bazhang> haha
[17:08] <h00k> People that use backtrack for a regular OS make me :(
[17:09] <IdleOne> doesn't using bt as main OS make you more of a hacker?
[17:09] <h00k> uh, yeah. somethin' like that.
[17:09] <IdleOne> insert sarcasm
[17:09] <IdleOne> there is also a gnome version now
[17:09] <IdleOne> gnacktrack
[17:10] <IdleOne> FYI
[17:10] <gnomefreak> h00k: when you remove/mute/ban (the lines you mean in the status window)?
[17:10]  * gnomefreak loves that part
[17:10] <h00k> gnomefreak: they show up in whatever channel I'm in
[17:11] <gnomefreak> oh everyone can see it?
[17:11] <h00k> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/458807/
[17:11] <h00k> gnomefreak: no
[17:11] <gnomefreak> h00k: thanks looking
[17:12] <bazhang> IdleOne, I think it was swatpulla that was using bt not slientx1
[17:12] <bazhang> err silentx1
[17:12] <IdleOne> h00k: what script/client ?
[17:12] <IdleOne> bazhang: oops
[17:12] <h00k> irssi/auto_bleh
[17:13] <gnomefreak> h00k: i like that :) can you post your version so i can update mine
[17:13] <gnomefreak> that is more info than what mine puts out
[17:13] <h00k> I don't want to see all of it
[17:13] <h00k> gimme a sec
[17:14] <gnomefreak> i also have to find the reason output and customize it
[17:14] <gnomefreak> h00k: thanks
[17:14] <IdleOne> looks like a lot more info then you really need to see
[17:14] <h00k> gnomefreak: #   $Id: autobleh.pl 17 2009-03-28 19:34:05Z sysdef $
[17:15] <gnomefreak> the modes are very handy to have outputed
[17:16] <IdleOne> yeah its : 11:02 Nick set to 'chrissfaya' from 'chrissfaya ', reason set to 'you should know better'.
[17:16] <IdleOne> 11:02 I've wanted to quiet chrissfaya in #ubuntu on freenode since<PHONE_NUMBER>
[17:16] <IdleOne> why?
[17:17] <gnomefreak> Quieting chrissfaya on #ubuntu with hostname <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:17] <gnomefreak> 11:02 MODE #ubuntu -o h00k
[17:17] <gnomefreak> 11:02 ::: Mode #ubuntu "+q<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by h00k
[17:17] <gnomefreak> 11:02 ::: Mode #ubuntu "-o h00k" by h00k
[17:17] <gnomefreak> that is the part that is handy to have at hand
[17:17] <h00k> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.com/LmRACC1Z
[17:17] <gnomefreak> h00k: thanks
[17:18] <nhandler> The extra info is caused by the $debug variable
[17:18] <h00k> I don't see $debug in the file
[17:18] <h00k> or 'debug'
[17:19] <h00k> /debug in vim
[17:19] <nhandler> I have it right before %defaults, but I've changed my autobleh so much, that I don't even know what version I have anymore
[17:20] <h00k> $DEBUG = 1;# unless defined $DEBUG;
[17:20] <h00k> there it be.
[17:20] <gnomefreak> close CONF;
[17:20] <gnomefreak> $DEBUG = 1;# unless defined $DEBUG;
[17:20] <gnomefreak> my ($actions, %defaults);
[17:20] <h00k> I now know that vim searching is case-sensitive
[17:20] <gnomefreak> that is the first one i hit
[17:21] <h00k> there. fix'd.
[17:26] <gnomefreak> h00k: was it # find text for antispam
[17:26] <gnomefreak> #Irssi::signal_add_last( "message public", "msg_public" );
[17:26] <gnomefreak> should be in that area
[17:31] <gnomefreak> well updateing my .pastebinit while im in the files
[17:44] <gnomefreak> why does version 19 say its version 17
[17:52] <bazhang> another budding locke situation
[18:17] <ikonia> where ?
[18:18] <ikonia> I though |_ocke was banned from ubuntu, or is that -ot ?
[18:18] <bazhang> seems to under control now, terry helped by wasmehen
[18:18] <bazhang> err to be, in -ot
[18:21] <ikonia> when did it get removed ?
[18:26] <bazhang> terry not locke; I should have said locke-like or locke-esque
[18:26] <ikonia> ahhh
[18:46] <gnomefreak> bazhang: Patero-ng didnt say anything after he was warned
[18:47] <bazhang> gnomefreak, he was going on for nigh an hour
[18:47] <bazhang> gnomefreak, he had multiple warnings over that period
[18:47] <gnomefreak> oh i just saw after the last warning he didnt say anything
[18:47] <gnomefreak> ok sorry
[18:48] <bazhang> he was banned in -ot earlier for some world cup meltdown, continued in #ubuntu ,and was offering strange commentary with everything he said
[18:53] <gnomefreak> i think he should re think the PPA idea
[18:54] <bazhang> he says he has no software sources? that doesn't sound like standard Ubuntu
[18:55] <bazhang> ah that's not a PPA
[18:56] <gnomefreak> bazhang: if it is before lucid i dont think souftware sources were added yet
[18:58] <bazhang> would that be software-properties-gtk?
[18:58] <bazhang> !info software-properties-gtk
[18:59] <bazhang> that's existed since at least hardy
[18:59] <ikonia> what does Taipei mean ?
[19:00] <bazhang> city in Taiwan, the capital
[19:00] <ikonia> he gets that if he googles our names ?
[19:01] <bazhang> hard to say. he probably saw me mention it at some point lurking in -ot
[19:01] <ikonia> what the devil is he on about ???
[19:03] <ikonia> he's trolling #gentoo-chat now asking how to impress girls
[19:04] <ikonia> the "I'm sorry" bit didn't last long
[19:04] <bazhang> as long as he behaves in ubuntu channels, then he's fine. he's already lost two cloaks, so he's walking a thin edge as it is
[19:05] <ikonia> exactly
[19:11] <gnomefreak> people have lost thier mind in there
[19:50] <ikonia> in where ?
[19:50] <bazhang> #ubuntu presumably
[19:51] <tsimpson> bazhang: wrong guy
[19:52] <bazhang> tsimpson, sorry
[19:52] <tsimpson> we've all done it ;)
[19:57] <bazhang> well I have /msg'd dougwiser with an apology, hope he sees it before he or I go offline/afk
[19:59] <bazhang> he got it, and understands the mixup
[20:00]  * mneptok will ban him when he returns >;)


[01:32] <snadge> fine i'll check the bugs in the topic prior to mentioning this one
[01:33] <snadge> im not sure quite how to describe this bug.. and im just looking for some feedback basically
[01:33] <snadge> when typing a url into firefox, the autocomplete/history feature.. sometimes just doesnt work
[01:34] <snadge> clicking on the title bar a few times.. and refocusing the app
[01:34] <snadge> then clicking back into the location bar.. or pressing ctrl-l
[01:34] <snadge> it starts to work as expected
[01:35] <snadge> a) has anyone else noticed this? b) does it piss you off?
[01:36] <Daekdroom> Yes and apparently not, given I've never bothered to report it.
[01:39] <snadge> yes that is really unfortunate isnt it.. its only upset me enough to complain about it in here
[01:39] <snadge> but not to actually stop using it.. and throw my pc off the 3rd floor balcony
[01:40] <snadge> ok so thats half my question answered then.. someone else has noticed it, which means that it should be fairly trivial to reproduce
[01:41] <Daekdroom> I don't know how to reproduce it. It seems random.
[01:41] <snadge> that too
[01:42] <snadge> you know.. now that im trying to get it to do it.. its not doing it
[01:42] <snadge> that pisses me off even more than the problem itself ;)
[01:45] <snadge> im trying to think when it happens.. what i was doing before that.. or the state the browser is in at the time.. eg.. a way to reproduce the issue reliably
[02:06] <snadge> ok its doing it now
[02:07] <snadge> i was looking at a picture on imgur.. flicked over to irc.. flicked back to browser
[02:07] <snadge> i can type in the location bar, but the autohistory stuff is not coming up
[02:08] <snadge> .. and now its working again and i didnt do anything.. fffffffffffu
[02:08] <snadge> im not familiar enough with how firefox implements that functionality.. or with how compiz/unity works
[02:09] <snadge> probably neither is anybody.. hence why the problem exists ;)
[14:08] <jo-erlend_> I don't hear much about Unity 2D. Is there any progress?
[14:13] <jo-erlend_> reboot...
[16:31] <mhr3> davidcalle, ping
[16:31] <davidcalle> mhr3, pong
[16:31] <mhr3> davidcalle, did you ever try filters from python?
[16:31] <mhr3> in lenses of course...
[16:31] <davidcalle> mhr3, sure
[16:31] <mhr3> do they work?
[16:32] <davidcalle> mhr3, yep
[16:32] <mhr3> davidcalle, do you have any code i could point the people to?
[16:32] <davidcalle> mhr3, I think I've tried all of them without any problem.
[16:33] <davidcalle> mhr3, I'm a bit concerned about the cleanliness of my code, but yes, let me check.
[16:37] <davidcalle> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~davidc3/onehundredscopes/desura/view/head:/src/unity-scope-desura
[16:37]  * mhr3 makes a note to update the python-sample lens
[16:37] <davidcalle> mhr3 ^ good one for radio option
[16:39] <mhr3> davidcalle, thanks, awesome
[16:39] <davidcalle> mhr3, do you want code samples for the three types of filters? Could have them ready in a few hours.
[16:39] <mhr3> and it's pretty clean ;)
[16:39] <mhr3> i'm just answering to some askubuntu questions, and wanted some example in python
[16:39] <davidcalle> Ok =)
[16:44] <davidcalle> I've just pushed another version, so people can try the branch with the "Game" filter of the Applications lens.
[16:45] <davidcalle> mhr3, which will probably raise questions about the possibility of sorting results from scopes in a category :P
[16:46] <mhr3> we'll probably allow installing a filtermodel in a lens
[16:47] <davidcalle> mhr3, you are making my day!
[16:48] <mhr3> i'm nagging kamstrup about it every now and then :)
[16:49] <mhr3> but i understand there are quite a few unanswered questions there
[16:51] <mhr3> davidcalle, like based on what would you sort the results?
[16:55] <davidcalle> mhr3, well, relevancy seems a bit far fetched but alphabetically on the item's title would be nice. And deduplication on visible elements (icon+title in vertical view, icon+title+comment on horizontal).
[16:56] <mhr3> relevancy would kinda break the schemas on the models
[16:56] <davidcalle> Yeah.
[16:57] <mhr3> but otherwise it's doable using filter model
[16:57] <mhr3> although i'm afraid for such advanced usage of filtermodels, python wouldn't cut it
[16:57] <davidcalle> Maybe yes.
[16:57] <mhr3> well.. it's not about FilterModels, but Filters themselves
[16:57] <davidcalle> ?
[16:58] <mhr3> you basically can't create a custom Filter in python
[16:58] <mhr3> you can only use the predefined ones
[16:59] <mhr3> and although we do have filter that sorts by name
[16:59] <davidcalle> I didn't know that in Vala, you could create custom ones.
[16:59] <mhr3> it wouldn't do the de-duplication
[17:00] <mhr3> actually, it'd be pretty broken in vala as well... but workaroundable
[17:01] <mhr3> we could use a MultiFilterModel :)
[17:04] <davidcalle> The python deduplication really depends on the amount of results. I think it would be up to the devs to decide if the speed is ok.
[17:06] <davidcalle> In fact, with unpredictable results, I kind of enjoy the absence of sorting/deduplicating. For example, the Grooveshark scope puts all its results after the music in your own library, which is nice.
[17:24] <mhall119> davidcalle: if I separate my scope from my lens,can I still reference attributes of the lens instance from my scope's code?
[17:28] <davidcalle> mhall119, like what? Scopes can ask the lens about filters, search, visibility...
[17:29] <mhall119> davidcalle: I'm going to split my loco teams lens into a general community lens + loco teams scope
[17:30] <mhall119> the lens tries to find the user's launchpad username at __init__, and stores it as an instance attribute
[17:30] <mhall119> well, the daemon does that
[17:30] <mhr3> damn, i'm going to break to many lenses, i feel bad :(
[17:30] <mhall119> I wanted to store the lp username in the community lens, so community scopes can access it without having to find it on their own
[17:31] <mhall119> breaking lenses sounds bad
[17:32] <davidcalle> I would do it with a separate script, but maybe it's possible to do it from the lens. I've never tried.
[17:32] <jo-erlend> has Unity 2D supported Super+num all the time? I thought that was something I had missed the last time I used it.
[17:32] <davidcalle> mhr3, it's ok, if it's well documented =P
[17:33] <mhall119> davidcalle: the problem with a separate script is that it'll have to be executed each time
[17:33] <jo-erlend> davidcalle, wrt code samples in Python... Yes please. :)
[17:33] <mhall119> unless we know for sure that all scopes and lenses will run in the same python runtime
[17:36] <mhr3> does anyone know if there's a rhythmbox scope for music lens?
[17:36] <davidcalle> mhall119, you could store the lp usernames in a Dee resource manager and access it form the scopes. Let me check if I have a branch using it.
[17:36] <mhall119> what is Dee again?
[17:37] <mhr3> Dee is magic
[17:37] <davidcalle> mhr3, there is one, from Mark Tully (teester on IRC). There is a PPA (teester/ppa I guess)
[17:37] <mhr3> thx david
[17:39] <davidcalle> Dee is the storage you send your scope data to, and it passes it to Unity for display. But you can also store the data in a file in .local/share/resources . It's really fast to store and access.
[17:40] <mhall119> ok, I'll have to read up on this
[17:44] <davidcalle> mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/777697/
[17:45] <davidcalle> mhall119, this is pretty much all I know about Dee resource manager, but it works really well.
[17:46] <mhr3> mhall119, there's no need to forcefully split up scopes into separate processes (the only valid reason being using extra libraries or you being unable to change the lens - ie extending default lenses)
[17:47] <davidcalle> mhr3, I disagree. Scopes are awesome, they can fail on their own but don't impact the other ones.
[17:48] <mhr3> davidcalle, ideally you shouldn't let that happen ;)
[17:48] <davidcalle> mhr3, which is very useful when working with web sources, as you don't have control on what can happen over time.
[17:49] <mhall119> mhr3: I want to make a lens that others can add scopes to
[17:49] <mhall119> so there is a need to have them separate
[17:49] <mhall119> I just want to provide useful, common, pre-fetched data to scopes
[17:50] <mhr3> davidcalle, right, but you can write the scope in a way where it won't affect the other scopes nor the lens
[17:50] <mhr3> but yes, ultimately separate scopes are possible and you're free to use them
[17:50] <mhr3> just don't clog my ram with dozens of python scopes :P
[17:50] <mhall119> what would be the best way of prompting for and storing authentication credentials needed by a scope?
[17:51] <davidcalle> mhr3, yeah, ideally I would catch all errors. But "try: and except: pass" makes the output so clean :P
[17:52] <mhall119> are separate scopes run in separate python processes, or all loaded into one?
[17:52] <davidcalle> mhr3, just kidding, but you're right about the ram issue. This might be the only thing that will make me move to Vala.
[17:52] <davidcalle> mhall119, separate processes. About credentials, I'm still looking for the right way to do it.
[17:53] <mhall119> hmmm, separate processes isn't good for one hundred scopes
[17:53] <mhr3> :)
[17:53] <mhall119> is there a way we can have them dynamically loaded into a single python process?
[17:53] <mhr3> currently? no
[17:54] <mhr3> is it planned? not really
[17:54] <mhall119> is it possible?
[17:54] <mhr3> sure
[17:54] <mhr3> but then you can just as well use local scopes
[17:55] <mhall119> what would it take to move it from planned='not really' to planned='yes'?
[17:59] <mhr3> i suppose people having hundreds of scopes installed and their ram being clogged by it?
[18:00] <mhall119> well, we're making good progress on that :)
[18:01] <mhr3> then again, we could have just suggested making the scopes local
[18:14] <davidcalle> mhr3, would it be possible to have a Unity wide Zeitgeist logger on Dash results activation? We could have data usage frequency stats for "everything".
[18:59] <mhr3> davidcalle, i'm not sure how "safe" it is
[18:59] <mhr3> scopes often use custom uris
[19:00] <mhr3> moreover if you opened some document it'd be logged twice
[19:00] <mhr3> once by dash, once by the app that actually opens it
[19:00] <davidcalle> Hmm. Good points.
[19:03] <davidcalle> mhr3, at UDS I've heard about putting a check option filter to activate/deactivate scopes in every lens by default. Is it really planned?
[19:04] <mhr3> the design specs have it there
[19:04] <mhr3> so yes
[19:05] <mhr3> i'll need to ask about prio on that
[19:05] <mhr3> but people are on holidays, so it'll have to wait
[19:07] <mhall119> what happens to the bottom of the dash when you have more lenses can than fit on screen?
[19:07] <davidcalle> mhall119, let me test =)
[19:08] <davidcalle> mhr3, cool. :)
[19:17] <davidcalle> mhall119, the lens bar fills up until there is no more space, with the home lens icon at the extreme left of the bar, then doesn't display icons that don't fit, but they are still accessible with Tab.
[20:27] <AlanBell> is there a way to find out in a lens how many icons it can fit?
[20:28] <AlanBell> so scopes don't return thousands of icons, but do try to fill the screen with stuff
[20:37] <jo-erlend> are there different layouts available now? I've wanted to start developing some lenses and scopes, but I haven't quite gotten started yet. :)
[20:43] <davidcalle> AlanBell, I don't think so. Do you mean : it can fit without having to scroll?
[20:44] <davidcalle> jo-erlend, curretnly two layouts : the vertical one (icon on top, title on bottom) & horizontal (icon on left, title and comment on right)
[20:46] <AlanBell> davidcalle: yeah something like that
[20:46] <davidcalle> AlanBell, you could check for the resolution, then the state of the dash (maximized or restored)
[20:46] <AlanBell> indeed, but I just want a number :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> then I can decide whether to limit to the number or do a page and a half or whateve
[20:47] <davidcalle> AlanBell, not possible to find out without resolution + dash state.
[21:41] <smoser> anyone else seeing bug 905854
[21:51] <bschaefer> thumper, ping
[23:23] <andyrock> bschaefer, thumper is on vacatation
[23:24] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah that is what I figured
[23:24] <andyrock> bschaefer, any progress about alt+f1?
[23:25] <bschaefer> andyrock, not any good ones. I can get GrabPointer working (found where it was seg faulting so I can ungrab the pointer)
[23:25] <bschaefer> but still cant get the mouse to work through to the window
[23:26] <bschaefer> ie if I have the pointer you wont be able to say drag a window. Along with inconsistency in the KeyEvent...and super
[23:26] <andyrock> bschaefer, indeed
[23:26] <bschaefer> you were very right about how annoying this bug was
[23:28] <andyrock> bschaefer, a queer solution can be: exit from the keyboard navigation if another window get the focus
[23:28] <andyrock> but I don't know if exist corner cases
[23:28] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah that is what I was looking into, but isn't that handled in compiz?
[23:29] <andyrock> bschaefer, have you look to PluginAdapter?
[23:29] <bschaefer> andyrock, not yet, im still pretty new to unity's source...j
[23:29] <bschaefer> andyrock, will do, thanks
[23:30] <andyrock> bschaefer, do not be afraid to ask ;)
[23:30] <bschaefer> andyrock, I wont, I find stumbling around is a good way to learn :)
[23:30] <bschaefer> I wont be afraid to ask*
[23:32] <bschaefer> andyrock, how did your test go? (if you have taken them)
[23:33] <andyrock> for tests do you mean exams? :)
[23:33] <andyrock> btw you can register to   WindowManager::window_focus_changed signals
[23:33] <andyrock> i'm not sure if there is a better solution
[23:33] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah!
[23:34] <bschaefer> andyrock, hmm ill see what that does
[23:34] <andyrock> bschaefer, i padded physical exam ;)
[23:34] <andyrock> pyshical 1
[23:34] <bschaefer> andyrock, that is what I have been looking for today, I was digging in nux to see if I could find if the mouse was down. So i could use that in Launcher::Draw...
[23:34] <andyrock> now i've physical 2 :/
[23:35] <bschaefer> andyrock, I am not sure how exams work in italy, so you have to take another one soon or next semester?
[23:35] <andyrock> bschaefer, yeah
[23:35] <andyrock> i've physical 1 and physical 2
[23:36] <bschaefer> andyrock, cool, how about the linear algebra? I want to take that class eventually
[23:36] <andyrock> bschaefer, pretty cool... i think that's useful for software eng.
[23:37] <andyrock> you know.. graphics etc.
[23:37] <bschaefer> andyrock, also on the WindowsManager; I thought only the panel was currently using that
[23:37] <andyrock> don't worry to use that...
[23:37] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah, I studied mainly computer science, the theory side
[23:38] <andyrock> keep in mind that most of the time you don't use WindowsManager but PluginAdapter
[23:38] <andyrock> we need an abstract class for testing
[23:38] <andyrock> so we can create a mock class
[23:38] <andyrock> DummyWindowManager if i'm not wrong
[23:39] <andyrock> bschaefer, are you graduated?
[23:39] <bschaefer> andyrock, nope, this is my last year. Working here for school credit
[23:40] <bschaefer> andyrock, how many years do you have left?
[23:41] <andyrock> bschaefer, i'm 19 :) pyshical 1 has been my first exam
[23:42] <bschaefer> andyrock, nice! I wish I would have gotten into open source earlier haha
[23:42] <bschaefer> andyrock, how do you think you did?
[23:42] <bschaefer> andyrock, im 21
[23:42] <andyrock> and in Italy graduation takes 3 year + 2 of major
[23:43] <andyrock> bschaefer, i got in the open source word 5 years ago but i've started to develop it just one year ago
[23:43] <andyrock> thx to unity
[23:45] <bschaefer> andyrock, here it's 4, but I have been doing graduate level work for a couple years. Theory is a lot different then graphical programming haha.
[23:45] <bschaefer> andyrock, and nice
[23:46] <andyrock> bschaefer, computer since?
[23:47] <andyrock> bschaefer, and yeah... in Italy there is a lot of math.... 7 math exams in 2 semester!
[23:48] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah, like formal languages, logic (propositional calculus) and other cool stuff haha :)
[23:49] <bschaefer> andyrock, dam, yeah you get use to a lot of exams. Where I go it is on the quarter system. So I get about 3-4 exams for 3 quarters
[23:50] <bschaefer> andyrock, what do you think you are going to major in?
[23:56] <andyrock> bschaefer, yeah, but first of all i've to finish the 3-year graduation
[23:56] <andyrock> *years
[23:56] <andyrock> and it will be hard
[23:56] <andyrock> ahh
[23:56] <andyrock> ahah
[23:58] <bschaefer> andyrock, yeah it will; hopefully you will have motivating professor. It helps
[23:59] <bschaefer> andyrock, on a sidenote the window_focus_changed doens't get called on a click to the current window
[23:59] <bschaefer> andyrock, since I am guessing the focus never changed for it
[23:59] <bschaefer> andyrock, I mean the focus stays on the launcher


[00:00] <Odd-rationale> umm.. is eth0 your wired device?
[00:00] <Usuario> hmmm, can't pastebin, cause no connection ... i don't know, but dhcp doesn't work, even tho the icon appears like there is a connection   monitor icon not x'd out
[00:01] <Usuario> its etho cable, but when i tried manual config i had to select etho avahi to get ip address, but it did not match the ip addresses that i got from this other windows machine doing ipconfig
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> open up a terminal on the machine. make sure the wire is plugged in and run these to commands:
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> sudo dhclient -r eth0
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> sudo dhclient eth0
[00:03] <Usuario> you mean the windows machine or the ubuntu machine
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: the ubuntu machine that you are trying to connect...
[00:03] <Usuario> ok, brb
[00:07] <Usuario> ok, what should i be looking for in the output
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: try to "ping -c 3 google.com"
[00:09] <Usuario> in terminal type that
[00:09] <Usuario> sorry i don't know where question mark is on this spanish keyboard, nothing matches, ezackly
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> you should be looking for something like"bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 299133 seconds." in the output
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: yes, ping in terminal
[00:12] <Usuario> i get invalid option 3
[00:15] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: from dhclient? or ping?
[00:16] <Usuario> ping
[00:18] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: did you type it in exactly as i wrote? ping -c 3 google.com
[00:19] <Usuario> lemme try again
[00:22] <Usuario> is it 3google.com or 3 google.com does it make a difference
[00:24] <Usuario> unknown host google.com
[00:24] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: there is a space between 3 and google
[00:24] <Usuario> ya, i did it with the space
[00:25] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: or just see if you can browse the web...
[00:25] <Usuario> no, cannot yet
[00:26] <Usuario> we never discussed the output of the dhclient command you gave me
[00:28] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: hmm. did the sudo dhclient eth1 give any errors?
[00:28] <Odd-rationale> eth0
[00:28] <Odd-rationale> well, you should get something like "bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 299133 seconds." in the output
[00:28] <Usuario> the last two lines are no DHCPOFFERS received, and no working leases in persistant databases ... sleeping
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: do you know whether the server is running a dhcp server? or no?
[00:30] <Usuario> i don't know and the owner doesn't either
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> well, then probably it doesn't...
[00:31] <Usuario> but i can't get an automatic connection, i do know that
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> you will have to setup the server and client for a static ip address...
[00:31] <Usuario> i did an ipconfig in the windows terminal on this machine and tried manually inserting that output via static ip entry boxes, but no connection either
[00:33]  * Usuario is lost
[00:34] <pierrereimertz> Anyone here who can help a beginner?
[00:35] <Usuario> pierrereimertz: whassup, from one beginner to another
[00:35] <pierrereimertz> hehe
[00:35] <pierrereimertz> im fine, thank you. :)
[00:35] <pierrereimertz> im trying to get my hfs+ external usb drive to connect to my ps3
[00:35] <pierrereimertz> im at 7.10
[00:35] <pierrereimertz> gutsy
[00:36] <Usuario> ok, hope someone else is listening cuz that one is out of my scope...
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: sorry, i lost connection...
[00:36] <pierrereimertz> with kernel 2.6.25
[00:36] <pierrereimertz> (ok, Usuario :) )
[00:37] <pierrereimertz> But it seems that the kernel dosen't have hfs+ support
[00:37] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: as i was saying, you either need to setup a static ip, or setup a dhcp server...
[00:37] <Usuario> okis, don't know if you saw that i  said i had done an ipconfig in the windows terminal on this machine, and i tried those numbers in the network config for static ip on the ubuntu box, but no function there either
[00:38] <Usuario> what do you suggest i do next then
[00:38] <pierrereimertz> (Odd-rationale, if your a linux expert, is it ok if i ask you a question after your done with Usuario?)
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> pierrereimertz: no, because i am not a linux expert... :(
[00:38] <pierrereimertz> hehe, ok
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> pierrereimertz: ask anyways, there are plenty of people in the channel...
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: where is the other end of the wire plugged into? a router?
[00:40] <Usuario> yes, i say hesitantly
[00:40] <Usuario> carlos rebooted the routers today to get these windows machines back up, and mine is the last one in the string as far as i know
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: i haven't had much experience with the server side of networking...
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> plus the server is on windows?
[00:42] <Usuario> yes
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: i afraid i can't help much further... the best thing you can do is find out how to configure dhcp on ther server...
[00:44] <Usuario> omg, i lost now
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> or find out whether or not it runs dhcp...
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: it helps to know the network configuration... :)
[00:45] <Usuario> ok, is that something you could tell me where to find on his computer, which is the server
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> well, i never setup a dhcp server in windows...
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> in fact, i didn't know what dhcp was when i was using windows... ;)
[00:47] <pierrereimertz> Problem; Cant get my HFS + (not journaled) External drive to connect with my PS3. Im running Xubuntu 7.10 with kernel 2.6.25 (may be a custom one that i found psubuntu.com). I can se both partitions on the desktop but when i try to open them it says "hfpsplus not supported" .
[00:48] <Usuario> ok, well thanks for all your help anyways, i will ask around the restaurant and see if anyone knows about server side
[00:48] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: sorry i couldn't help more..
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> pierrereimertz: can you not use another file system?
[00:49] <pierrereimertz> no
[00:49] <Usuario> np, you always try i think this is first time we stumped
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> Usuario: i don't remember what we worked on last... ;)
[00:50] <pierrereimertz> i have a external drive with hfs+ on the partitions.. xubuntu wont mount them
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> pierrereimertz: is hfs supported on ubuntu?
[00:50] <Usuario> anybody else know how i might proceed with this connection problem, linking an ubuntu box to a wired windows network
[00:50] <pierrereimertz> yeah
[00:50] <pierrereimertz> i think so, on standard kernels
[00:51] <pierrereimertz> but i have a special one because i sit on a ps3
[00:54] <pierrereimertz> does anyone know how to upgrade a kernel?
[00:54] <pierrereimertz> i really wonder if its just something in the xubuntu
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> !hfs
[00:57] <pierrereimertz> when i write sudo fdisk -l i dont se the tables
[00:57] <pierrereimertz> its so wierd everything..
[00:57] <pierrereimertz> i really wonder if should reinstall xubuntu
[00:58] <pierrereimertz> but i dont want to loose my kernel with wifisupport..
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> i gtg. hope you all solve you issues...
[02:00] <computer> hi there, looking for some help with xubuntu on an ibook g3 500mhz. having display issues
[02:04] <giacomo_casanova> hi there, I'm looking for some help with display problems. xubuntu 7.04 ppc, ibook g3 500 mhz
[02:19] <Rev_Willie_Crow> just installed xubuntu on my Sony VGN-C140G, everything worked out of the box.
[02:19] <Rev_Willie_Crow> this is the first distro that has.
[04:37] <leprasmurf> hey all.  I installed xubuntu on an asus eee pc.  I'm having trouble getting connected to my wifi.  I'm pretty sure my wpa_supplicant is working as 'sudo iwlist ath0 scanning' shows my correct network but then I'm not getting an ip
[06:36] <chowder> I have a question. Is it just me or does every version of Ubuntu have some "gnomish" element to it?
[06:37] <chowder> I'm using Xubuntu right now and I've noticed the similar feel it has to Gnome
[06:39] <RoughriderUT> How much hard drive space would an xubuntu install take up?
[06:41] <chowder> RoughriderUT: about 2GB
[06:41] <chowder> RoughriderUT: I literally jsut installed it
[06:42] <chowder> It's always best to strip it down, though
[06:42] <chowder> use dpkg --get-selections to see all the packages installed on the system
[06:43] <chowder> or dpkg --get-selections | grep x11 and it will find all packages installed that have "x11" in the name
[06:44] <chowder> and look up the packages at packages.ubuntu.com to decide what you want to keep
[06:44] <chowder> hope that helps ;)
[06:44] <RoughriderUT> Thanks, just having a conversation on another net, and a friend wants a minimal install of linux, thought xubuntu might work for what he needs
[06:44] <chowder> a minimal install is tough
[06:45] <RoughriderUT> Yea, figured that... he might have to go with another small distro.
[06:46] <chowder> he could get an Ubuntu minimal cd image, do a CLI install from the Ubuntu alternate CD, or build his custom *buntu from within an existing Debian based install
[06:46] <chowder> the first 2 are easier but the last one gives you more control
[06:47] <RoughriderUT> yea... he might go for the install minus the desktop...
[06:47] <RoughriderUT> basically he wants ftp, http, and samba
[06:47] <zoredache_> start with ubuntu server, or a 'cli' install using the alternatecd
[06:48] <imjscn> there's a Damn Mini Linux
[06:48] <RoughriderUT> Thought of that also
[06:49] <chowder> I find that the Debian kernel is more stable
[06:49] <chowder> I'm currently working on a custom Ubuntu build with fluxbox
[06:49] <chowder> which is why I want to try fluxbuntu
[06:51] <imjscn> I installed VM, it's as fast as real, great satisfaction
[06:53] <chowder> vm?
[06:53] <imjscn> virtual machine
[06:53] <imjscn> I use vmware
[06:53] <imjscn> xubuntu host, winxp guest
[06:54] <chowder> i'm not fond of virtual machines
[06:54] <imjscn> I'm thinking of install another VM, install the Damn Mini Linux in the VM, just for movies and music
[06:54] <chowder> I used virtualbox
[06:54] <RoughriderUT> Thanks for the info... later
[06:54] <chowder> np
[06:54] <imjscn> how is it working?
[06:55] <chowder> just fine
[06:55] <imjscn> great
[06:55] <chowder> I only use it to test liveCDs
[06:55] <imjscn> I see, I need VM to run my windows softwares
[06:55] <chowder> I made a version of XP that's about 200MB smaller than a full XP install and it works on virtual box
[06:56] <imjscn> I use mini XP too :)
[06:56] <chowder> I have Xubuntu (for now), XP, and my custom *buntu based build
[06:57] <chowder> XP is a necessary evil :(
[06:57] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> Hi everyone... I have a problem with Xubuntu 8.04 at the moment....  trying it from a Live CD, my SATA HDD isn't detected :-(
[06:57] <imjscn> yes, we'll just have to wait Linux become a nomral life style, then, we can get everything ready for Linux
[06:58] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> I've searched the ubuntuforum etc but so far haven't found any info that has helped.
[06:58] <chowder> Xub_HDD_not_dete: post errors via pastebin.com
[06:59] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> chowder: Ok... I'm not sure what you meant by that ...
[06:59] <chowder> Xub_HDD_not_dete: also which CD did you use?
[06:59] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> chowder: Xubuntu 8.04 desktop iso
[06:59] <chowder> pastebin is a site that allows you to post text too large to de displayed on IRC (spambots, etc.)
[07:00] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> chowder: Oh, ok, thanks.... then once I've pasted up there do I post the link to it here?
[07:00] <chowder> you got it :)
[07:00] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> chowder: And how do I find the boot log(s) etc within Xubuntu?
[07:01] <chowder> aah, desktop. Maybe the alternate install CD is different? Also try googling for your model of Hard drive with Ubuntu in quotes like this: my hard drive "ubuntu"
[07:01] <chowder> Xub_HDD_not_dete: I'm not sure of
[07:01] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> chowder: Ok...
[07:03] <jeanne_> hi
[07:04] <jeanne_> I have xubuntu installed. I have only one desktop. before I had 4. does anyone know how to switch that one again ?
[07:08] <chowder> middle click on the desktop
[07:08] <chowder> add new workspace
[07:20] <Xub_HDD_not_dete> Hi everyone.... how do I find the boot log(s) etc within Xubuntu?  (Thanks)
[07:52] <microwaver> Hello, I'm experiencing a 'jitter' on the right hand side of my laptop screen
[10:32] <rockyrock> hi guys
[10:32] <rockyrock> i have a problem with Virtual Box
[10:33] <rockyrock> i downloaded this version from SUN website and installed it: VirtualBox-1.6.0-Linux_x86.run
[10:34] <rockyrock> when i installed it, it says that it was installed successfully, but when i try to run the program , nothing happens!
[10:34] <rockyrock> it doesn't work
[10:35] <rockyrock> I have xubuntu 8.04
[10:35] <rockyrock> so what is the problem??? is it with the version i have??
[10:35] <rockyrock> should i download the Ubuntu version or the Linux version that i have?
[10:44] <rockyrock> guys, why can't i Past something on the Desktop?????????
[10:45] <rockyrock> the "Paste" icon doens't appear!
[10:46] <arf`> rockyrock: take the ubutu version. A .deb package is always better than anything else :)
[10:47] <arf`> rockyrock: but you probably have to cleanly uninstall the .run before to install the .deb
[10:47] <rockyrock> will "any" .deb package  run for sure????
[10:48] <rockyrock> yes please how can i uninstall it??
[10:48] <arf`> rockyrock: I don't know, it's explained in the virtualbox documentation for sure
[10:49] <arf`> rockyrock: to install the .deb, just run "sudo dpkg -i thepackage.deb"
[10:49] <rockyrock> thnx
[10:50] <arf`> rockyrock: there is 2 ubuntu 8.04 version, the x86 and the AMD64
[10:51] <arf`> rockyrock: take the one corresponding to your processor
[10:52] <rockyrock> if i have a X86 version can i install it on a AMD64 pro?? cuz the 64 bit processor will run the 32bit versions, right?
[10:52] <arf`> yeah
[10:53] <arf`> ok, so the one corresponding to the architecture of your installed xubuntu rather than the architecture of your CPU :)
[10:54] <rockyrock> :]
[10:54] <rockyrock> what about the Paste problem, do u know why it doesn't appear when trying to Paste on the Desktop???
[10:55] <rockyrock> is it something with XFCE?
[10:56] <arf`> perhaps, anyway it works with ctrl-c/ctrl-v
[10:56] <arf`> to copy from/in a console, it's shift+control-c/v
[10:57] <rockyrock> i'm sorry it doesn't work with me!
[10:57] <arf`> you have to install the guest additions in your guest
[10:58] <rockyrock> what are the guest additions!!!!
[10:58] <arf`> if you go in the guest window menu "device" at the bottom there is a "install guest addition"
[10:59] <arf`> it will launch a CD on the guest, and on this CD you can see a .exe to install the additions on a windows system, or a .run to install on a linux system
[11:00] <arf`> rockyrock: probably you better to read the doc of the app you're using, in order to well understand what you're doing, and to take advantage of the power of your apps...
[11:02] <rockyrock> oky thnx
[11:26] <VitaminCPP> Hi, I need some help... How do I set keyboard shortcut for changing layout in Xubuntu?
[11:27] <VitaminCPP> Emm.... Anybody can help me?
[11:44] <VitaminCPP> I need help!
[11:44] <VitaminCPP> I wanna know how to set keyboard shortcut for changing layout
[11:44] <VitaminCPP> 59 people in room and no one can help =\
[12:02] <microwaver> where do adjust shortcuts to applications?
[12:07] <TheSheep> microwaver: which shortcuts?
[12:17] <microwaver> TheSheep, i.e. I want to start the terminal ctrl + alt + x
[12:18] <microwaver> how do I do such a thing, in Gnome there was a easy options, where do i config it (manually!? )
[12:23] <TheSheep> settings->setting manager->keyboard settings
[12:34] <neosix> Hello! Is there a way to change icon size in xfce-menu on panel?
[12:34] <neosix>  I tryed with .gtkrc-2.0 but nothing...
[14:34] <White_Lightning> silence...
[14:34] <White_Lightning> lol
[14:54] <Theo_> hello
[14:54] <Theo_> Can I install xubuntu 6.10 ppc on an ibook g3 and then upgrade to 8.04?
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Theo_: you can't do a direct upgrade to 8.04 from 6.10. If your ppc has the newer intel chip, why not install 8.04 directly?
[15:14] <Theo_> i would rather use xubuntu
[15:14] <Theo_> because it ibook  has 500MHz and 384MB RAM
[15:14] <Theo_> i think that xubuntu would have better performance
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Okay, but unless you have the intel chip, you won't be able to install Xubuntu 8.04
[15:15] <Theo_> oh
[15:16] <Theo_> so the only xubuntu available for ppc is 6.10?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> You can install 6.06, which is supported until June 2009
[15:16] <charlie-tca> That is the previous Long Term Support version that was replaced by 8.04
[15:27] <Theo_> if i get ubuntu 8.04 ppc and do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop could that be an alternative?
[15:27] <Theo_> would it be like ubuntu but faster?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I think that would work, but I don't really know if xubuntu-desktop will install. I do install that way at times on my systems, because
[15:29] <charlie-tca> ubuntu's installer seems faster for some versions.
[15:29] <charlie-tca> I'm looking to see if Xfce supports the ilink now.
[15:30] <charlie-tca> no, I meant ibook
[15:30] <Theo_> what do you think i should do? get and use xubuntu 6.10 ppc? or just use ubuntu 8.04 ppc?
[15:31] <Theo_> i want something that is fast and light because the ibook is quite old and slow
[15:32] <charlie-tca> I would use Xubuntu 6.06 if you really want xubuntu. It is out now in 6.06.01, and is a good version
[15:34] <Theo_> i wanted something fast and light
[15:34] <Theo_> i used xubuntu on a really old hp and it worked great
[15:34] <Theo_> do you think that xubuntu will run much faster than ubuntu?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 6.06 is fast and light. It is older, but will have updates for another year.
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 6.10 become unsupported as of April of this year.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> It reached the end of it's cycle
[15:36] <Theo_> i meant 6.6 then
[15:37] <Theo_> do you think i should download the alternate or the desktop cd?
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay. I still have one system I need to upgrade from 6.06 here. It works great for me,
[15:38] <charlie-tca> download the ppc version from http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/ or another mirror
[15:38] <Theo_> yeah, i was looking there
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I always use the alternate cd myself
[15:38] <charlie-tca> It seems to work better for me
[15:38] <Theo_> hmm
[15:39] <Theo_> its much faster
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Yes, I agree
[15:39] <Theo_> do you think it would be slow on 384mb?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I only have 256 on the system using it
[15:39] <Theo_> what i mean is, do you think the desktop cd will be slow booting on 384mb
[15:40] <charlie-tca> It's a little slow, but faster than Ubuntu
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I don't know about the desktop cd
[15:40] <Theo_> i will just get both and try both
[15:41] <Theo_> i bought the ibook for $150 on ebay and an 120gb hdd i can'y t wait to try it!
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Sounds like a good deal. Good luck with it, and don't forget, the help wiki and the forums are good for answers, too
[15:43] <Theo_> thanks
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Hope it helped
[15:44] <Theo_> yeah, i understand it better now
[15:44]  * charlie-tca :)
[15:44] <Theo_> when it arrives i will see how it goes with dualbooting mac 10.3
[15:45] <charlie-tca> That should work, too
[15:45] <Theo_> i had to illegally download mac 10.3 because it doesn't come with it!
[15:45] <Theo_> i mean it doesnt come with the cds
[15:45] <Theo_> do you know if backtrack is in ppc? (slax)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I don't
[15:48] <Theo_> anyway if slax is only intel i can get aircrack-ng for getting into wifi networks
[15:51] <Theo_> bye bye
[15:52] <charlie-tca> bye and good luck
[17:04] <abracadabra> hola
[17:04] <zoredache> !hi | abracadabra
[17:05] <abracadabra> i need help
[17:05] <wrtpeeps> hey guys, anyone know a good dvd burner to burn dvd movies (VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS) folders
[17:05] <zoredache> if you have a question then please ask it.  If somebody knows the answer and is available they will answer
[17:08] <abracadabra> i have xubuntu and win xp, i need to see the win's folders when xubuntu runs, thanks
[17:08] <zoredache> !ntfs | abracadabra
[17:09] <zoredache> !ntfs-3g | abracadabra
[17:09] <abracadabra> ok, thx
[17:09] <zoredache> good luck
[17:09] <zoredache> feel free to ask if some of the steps isn't clear
[17:30] <abracadabra> hey men, thanks
[17:31] <abracadabra> problem solved
[17:42] <abracadabra> need i antivir program in xubuntu?
[17:42] <abracadabra> i think i don't have
[17:42] <zoredache> generally you don't need anti-virus software on linux
[17:43] <abracadabra> what are de non generally surposes?
[17:44] <zoredache> if you are running a file-server that lots of un-trusted windows clients will be using.  If you are running an email server.
[17:44] <pleia2> abracadabra: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[17:45] <abracadabra> ok, i'am a home user only
[17:47] <zoredache> if you really think you need one the avscan and clamav packages are what you would want to install
[17:48] <abracadabra> ok, thanks
[17:48] <slow-motion> hi
[18:04] <nikolam> abracadabra, zou can install clamtk and zou can scan windows-related files with it.
[18:07] <abracadabra> thx
[18:07] <abracadabra> i'm reading about it
[18:17] <TheMinister> hi all, i'm having problems with ndiswrapper- my wifi usb dongle is not working with it, and the ndiswrapper -l command does nothing
[18:17] <TheMinister> anybody seen this happen before, and any ideas why?
[18:18] <csh> hello, i use xubuntu 8.04 and everytime i start the graphical part my internet connection dies on me
[18:18] <csh> without gdm starting i can connect on commandline just fine
[18:18] <csh> anyone have any idea what's up?
[18:25] <xubuntu-help> i need some help! my pc keeps BEEPING O_O
[18:25] <xubuntu-help> its really annoying
[18:26] <xubuntu-help> whats the easiest way to stop it under xubuntu??
[18:26] <xubuntu-help> its like beeping every second
[18:27] <csh> at what point does it start beeping?
[18:27] <xubuntu-help> logging in
[18:27] <xubuntu-help> thats when it starts
[18:29] <xubuntu-help> its really annoying
[18:29] <xubuntu-help> and i am in a public room here
[18:29] <xubuntu-help> :(
[18:29] <csh> i am not very familar with xubuntu, i'm sorry
[18:29] <xubuntu-help> is there a standart terminal way to stop it?
[18:30] <csh> you could try killing programms until you find the culprit
[18:31] <edvard> hey
[18:31] <edvard> what are you trying to stop?
[18:33] <xubuntu-help> the beeping
[18:33] <xubuntu-help> i found a way
[18:33] <xubuntu-help> xset b off
[18:33] <xubuntu-help> thanks for your help anyway :)
[18:33] <xubuntu-help> cu guys
[18:34] <edvard> ah the beeping
[18:34] <edvard> isn't that something in the bash profile you can turn off?
[18:34] <edvard> oops he's gone
[18:35] <edvard> setterm -blength 0
[18:35] <edvard> in $HOME/.bash_profile
[21:44] <Freddy2> hi
[21:45] <zoredache> hello
[21:46] <Freddy2> after checking the package list i've seen a lot of xserver-xorg-video-* (ati, i810,..), and when marking any of them for being removed (i only need the mga one) all them pretend to remove also xserver-xorg-video-all
[21:46] <Freddy2> should i really remove this package?
[21:47] <zoredache> I believe you can remove it, yes.  May I ask why you are trying?
[21:47] <zoredache> unless you are trying to fit on a really small drive it seems like it would be a wasted effort
[21:48] <Freddy2> i was simply trying to remove unused packages.. but the drive is medium sized
[21:48] <Freddy2> there's no true space problem there
[21:50] <zoredache> If it was me, then I wouldn't do it.  Removing packages imply to recover drive space doesn't make much sense if you have free space
[21:51] <zoredache> plus, what happens in six months when you swap video cards, or what to put this drive into another computer?
[21:52] <Freddy2> i doubt that.. this is my slave computer, it's managed remotely, and is only dedicated to manage downloads and this kind of stuff
[21:56] <thinkmassive> isn't xserver-xorg-video-all just a blanket package that automatically includes all the video drivers?
[21:56] <thinkmassive> I don't see why you couldn't just keep the one that you need
[21:57] <zoredache> thinkmassive: it is...   I am just arguing against removing too much of what you think you don't need
[21:57] <zoredache> that and spending lots of time trying to figure out if you can delete things that aren't doing anything other then taking up a small portion of your drive
[21:57] <Freddy2> that's the idea.. i've seen a lot of different xservers, and i only need one.. in fact sometimes i use vnc, so i don't know if even the matrox one is currently needed.. but this one can be left, maybe someday i have to plug the monitor again xD
[21:58] <zoredache> Personally I would spend more time on trying to remove any un-needed services from being loaded
[22:00] <Freddy2> right now my services list looks fine, i think
[22:01] <zoredache> so the question is, if this is just for downloads, could you drop the gui completely and use the cli tools?  You would free up a lot of disk space with no gui
[22:01] <MacGyverNL> The USB mouse on this Xubuntu is still *way* too fast even on the slowest setting.
[22:01] <Freddy2> i can't live without azureus :)
[22:01] <MacGyverNL> How can I change it to go even slower?
[22:02] <Freddy2> still have too many anime series waiting to be downloaded xD
[22:02] <zoredache> bittornado running inside gnu screen has always been enough for me
[22:04] <Freddy2> i could also use text-only programs for web and irc downloads, but i prefer the graphical versions
[22:17] <Yud_Zroc> good evening everyone
[22:17] <Myrtti> nini
[22:18] <Yud_Zroc> i have a dilema does the xubuntu package come with a tool to help configure diaup
[22:20] <zoredache> I know wvdial is installed, but I am not sure what or if there is a gui to control it
[22:20] <Yud_Zroc> gui idc about
[22:20] <Yud_Zroc> i prefer terminal
[22:21] <Yud_Zroc> tyvm for ur help
[22:28] <thinkmassive> Yud_Zroc: what have you tried so far?
[22:28] <thinkmassive> are you using a usb modem that works on the cell network or an old analog modem?
[22:29] <Yud_Zroc> pci
[22:29] <Yud_Zroc> and it is detected in the lpc
[22:29] <thinkmassive> oh ok, have you tried "man wvdial.conf" ?
[22:29] <Yud_Zroc> but i think it may be the config...i prolly didnt do it right
[22:30] <thinkmassive> are you trying to use wvdial?
[22:31] <Yud_Zroc> i am going to....its for my gf....
[22:31] <Yud_Zroc> i was using the network config thingy before and it dont work toowell
[22:31] <thinkmassive> I can't tell you what settings to use for your modem, but I think you can configure it all through wvdial.conf
[22:33] <thinkmassive> this looks like it might help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=480717


[06:32] <vigo> morning!!
[07:32] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: see you have failing tests at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity8/fake-indicators-model/+merge/297509
[07:50] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: Yes I know, I spoke with ltinkl since it happened since merging with the indicator keyboard... But I can't see what's wrong there
[07:51] <tsdgeos> k
[08:01] <vigo> Hi!
[08:03] <vigo> I'm running unity8 on a laptop and I just updated through cli and now the webbrowser is not connecting anymore to any site
[08:03] <vigo> it shows a message
[08:04] <vigo> "The rendering process has been closed for this tab"
[08:04] <duflu> vigo: Yeah we know - https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1613258
[08:05] <vigo> duflu, thanks!
[10:30] <sil2100> Saviq: hey! I tried building a no-change rebuild of qtmir on vivid in a private PPA (with virt builders for armhf and amr64) and it FTBFS on unit tests
[10:30] <sil2100> "ERROR: 1 leaked mock object found at program exit."
[10:30] <sil2100> Saviq: do you guys know if that's a known issue on virtualized builders?
[10:31] <Saviq> sil2100, I think I heard of that some time, could very well be a virt issue
[10:48] <Saviq> greyback, does "ERROR: 1 leaked mock object found at program exit." ring a bell? sil2100 says he gets that in arm* virtualized builders for qtmir
[10:48] <greyback> Saviq: no, never seen that before. I assume coming from googlemock framework
[10:49] <greyback> does it crash at that point?
[10:49] <sil2100> greyback: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/280494874/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-armhf.qtmir_0.4.8+16.10.20160816.1-0ubuntu1kpi1~test1~ubuntu15.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz <- here's the example output
[10:50] <Saviq> so a test failure in cleanup, basically
[10:50] <Saviq> actually, maybe that's just a warning
[10:50] <Saviq> the failure seems to be /«BUILDDIR»/qtmir-0.4.8+16.10.20160816.1/tests/modules/SurfaceManager/mirsurface_test.cpp:79: Failure
[10:50] <Saviq> Value of: spyFrameDropped.count() > 0
[10:50] <Saviq>   Actual: false
[10:50] <Saviq> Expected: true
[10:50] <Saviq> unless related
[10:50] <greyback> yeah the test is failing
[10:50] <greyback> let me have a look
[14:06] <fdfgdfgdgdf> hey, where to download unity from?
[14:06] <fdfgdfgdgdf> I want to install Ubuntu today, after using 100% Windows 7........... :D
[14:07] <mterry> fdfgdfgdgdf: unity comes with Ubuntu, it's the default user interface
[14:07] <mterry> fdfgdfgdgdf: and welcome  :)
[14:15] <fdfgdfgdgdf> thanks!
[14:15] <fdfgdfgdgdf> :D
[14:27] <mterry> josharenson: heyo!
[14:27] <josharenson> mterry: good morning
[14:27] <mterry> josharenson: session-chooser-gui two things: can you merge from trunk please, and can you add back a waiting alias in WideView.qml into loginList.waiting
[14:27] <josharenson> mterry: sure thing
[14:27] <mterry> josharenson: I think that got accidentally deleted in some refactoring
[14:27] <mterry> josharenson: you can test with a tablet tryShell and moving off user auth-error and back again
[14:28] <mterry> josharenson: without waiting, auth-error ends up having a password prompt
[14:28] <josharenson> ah ok
[15:46] <mterry> @unity: qml-heads, is there a way to connect a widget to the top of the OSK better than a bottomMargin of inputMethod.keyboardRectangle.height?  (that tends to leave a gap as the OSK is animating)
[15:47] <mzanetti> hmm... afaik keyboardRect.height should animate too
[15:47] <mterry> it does animate, just not in lockstep
[15:47] <mzanetti> (I know it doesn't the very first time)
[15:47] <mterry> So it's a little jittery and sometimes there's a gap
[15:48] <mzanetti> are you in an app or the shell?
[15:48] <mterry> shell
[15:48] <mzanetti> mterry, try with SurfaceManager.inputMethodSurface.height
[15:49] <mzanetti> and unless that changed while I was away this doesn't animate the very first time it is invoked, which is a bug
[15:49] <mzanetti> if you're in the greeter I guess you'll be bitten by that... might needs fixing
[15:50] <mterry> hmm yeah I am in greeter.  will test
[16:01] <mterry> mzanetti: gap still there  :(
[16:01] <mzanetti> hmm
[16:01] <mzanetti> implicitHeight maybe?
[16:01] <mzanetti> mterry, ^
[16:04] <mterry> mzanetti: doesn't seem to be defined
[16:04] <mzanetti> hmm odd
[16:04] <mterry> I had to use SurfaceManager.inputMethodSurface.inputBounds.height before, fyi
[16:04] <mzanetti> should be. I'm using that a lot
[16:04] <mterry> hmmm
[16:04] <mzanetti> ah
[16:04] <mzanetti> no
[16:04] <mzanetti> inputMethodSurface is a MirSurface
[16:04] <mzanetti> that should have implicitHeight
[16:05] <greyback> osk surface is fullscreen
[16:05] <mzanetti> but I just realize that it actually is fullscreen and transparent
[16:05] <mzanetti> right
[16:05] <mterry> SurfaceManager.inputMethodSurface.implicitHeight is undefined as well
[16:05] <greyback> input bounds probably the most accurate info
[16:05] <mzanetti> mterry, I use that to animate windows up and down
[16:05] <mzanetti> it seems reasonably accurate to me
[16:05] <greyback> as that's the osk telling us ther area which can get input, which is probably the bit it is drawing into
[16:06] <mterry> mzanetti: in u8?  I don't see it via grep
[16:06] <mterry> greyback: yeah there just seems to be a slight mismatch during animation.  A gap between the u8-side widget and the osk drawn on screen
[16:06] <greyback> but I suspect animating something in the shell to be "stuck" to the top of the osk as it animates will require a bunch of redesign
[16:07] <greyback> right. You're trying to synchronise 2 separate things.
[16:07] <mterry> Well sure.  :)  Usually works in qml, though I realize these are separate processes
[16:07] <greyback> I know of no easy solution currently, fixing this would need a chunk of redesign work
[16:08] <mterry> greyback: that's what I figured.  I have a hackish solution for the short term though
[16:09] <mterry> greyback, mzanetti: thx for tips
[16:11] <mzanetti> mterry, DesktopStage.qml:158
[16:11] <mzanetti> mterry, as I said, seems reasonably in sync to me when it moves the apps up/down
[16:11] <mzanetti> but if you attach a full size item directly to it it might be a bit worse
[16:12] <mterry> mzanetti: oh oh sure, inputBounds works.  I was talking about implicitHeight being undefined.  But using inputBounds still gives the gap
[19:17] <lborda> ping
[19:21] <mterry> dandrader: heyo!  I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-mock-bg/+merge/302695 to fix some tests, but wanted you to look over it again, since the fix wasn't trivial
[19:22] <mterry> dandrader: namely, the dropping of the LIGHTDM test keyword, and just always linking our mock liblightdm
[19:24] <dandrader> mterry, does -DNO_TESTS=true still work?
[19:25] <mterry> dandrader: oh yeah.  This just means that all tests use the mock liblightdm instead of some tests
[19:28] <dandrader> ah ok
[20:53] <mterry> mzanetti: btw Alex M looked at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-no-lockscreen/+merge/302711 and is still +1 on it.  So I guess we should try to land it