[05:39] <valorie> OMG this is amazing: http://www.blogher.com/what%E2%80%99s-1-leadership-attribute
[14:03]  * Cheesehead sends a monumental e-mail to close out the Brainstorm Top 10 to the appropriate mods and developers
[14:10] <Cheesehead> Er, closeout this cycle only. We *want* future reviews!
[19:10] <NRWlion> hey there
[20:28] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: are you there?
[20:47] <Cheesehead> I was...
[22:15] <NRWlion> re


[01:06] <ebroder> ScottK: is it reasonable to INVALID a backport request for a bug fix? There's a separate bug tracking an SRU for the same fix
[01:07] <ebroder> (bug #666204; sru request is bug #619015)
[01:00] <ebroder> slangasek: i've been just pressing escape as soon as plymouth shows up to see the warning. more reliable than finding the right planetary alignment to see it :)
[02:12] <Kaleo> hi
[02:13] <Kaleo> there is a bug in maverick fixed in the natty package and I cannot find the documentation for the process of requesting a backport of the fix
[02:13] <Kaleo> here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/664531
[02:21] <ebroder> !sru | Kaleo
[02:22] <Kaleo> ebroder: thank you very much
[02:22] <ebroder> np
[07:00] <slangasek> ebroder: oh; feel free to amend the test case
[09:25] <BlackZ> lucidfox: bug #608159: are you working on that merge?
[09:53] <lucidfox> BlackZ> no
[09:53] <BlackZ> lucidfox: ok, if you don't mind, I'd merge it :)
[13:14] <corecode> hey
[13:14] <corecode> i'm trying to package a setuid binary, but somehow that doesn't work
[13:14] <corecode> is there something special i need to do?
[13:14] <corecode> the permissions appear unchanged, already in the staging area
[13:18] <debfx> corecode: dh_fixperms might remove the setuid bit
[13:19] <corecode> ah, thanks
[13:19] <corecode> that's it
[13:20] <corecode> or not :/
[13:21] <corecode> ah yes
[15:00] <dylan-m> d
[15:01] <iulian> e
[15:01] <BUGabundo> f
[15:03] <azeem> dylan-m: please don't do that
[15:53] <corecode> any suggestions how to run a single command on bootup from a package?
[15:53] <corecode> provide an init script?
[15:53] <corecode> or add a @reboot line to cron?
[15:59] <debfx> corecode: I'd go with an init script or upstart job
[16:01] <corecode> i'd like to keep it compatible with debian
[16:01] <corecode> do they use upstart?
[16:01] <debfx> no
[16:01] <corecode> ok
[16:05] <debfx> don't forget to check in the init script if the package is still installed
[16:18] <ggeorgy> hi
[16:44] <highvoltage> persia: debian has yet another definition for 'flavour': http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends
[16:45] <bgamari> Scott Remnant in the house?
[16:47] <highvoltage> bgamari: he's Keybuk on irc, so doesn't seem so
[16:51] <bgamari> Is it common that distribution specific changes to kernel parameters exposed through /proc/sys are changed in the kernel tree instead of /etc/sysctl.conf?
[16:51] <bgamari> Scott seems to think that if a change in the default swappiness were to happen it should happen in the kernel tree
[16:52] <bgamari> which seems a little strange to me
[16:52] <bgamari> isn't this the precise reason we have sysctl(8)
[17:00] <ogra_ac> bgamari, well, not if you can convince upstream to take the change
[17:00] <ogra_ac> its one piece less to maintin
[17:00] <ogra_ac> *maintain
[17:01] <ogra_ac> sysctl is to override defaults
[17:05] <bgamari> ogra_ac: Precisely
[17:05] <bgamari> ogra_ac: Upstream will not take a change in the default swapiness
[17:05] <bgamari> this seems quite clear
[17:06] <bgamari> especially not a change to what ubuntu should be using in its desktop distribution (probably between 10 and 30)
[17:09] <bgamari> I suspect Scott was suggesting that the swapiness should be changed in the ubuntu kernel tree
[17:10] <bgamari> but still, as you said, sysctl is to override defaults
[17:10] <bgamari> why would we pollute the ubuntu tree with patches that have no hope of making it upstream when there is a perfectly good mechanism for overriding this value in userspace?
[17:11] <ebroder> sysctl can also be used to set defaults. c.f. /etc/sysctl.d/10-zeropage.conf
[17:12] <ebroder> err, reading the comments, i guess that's actually a bad example
[17:12] <bgamari> Either way, this insistence on going through the kernel tree is one of the few reasons #516834 hasn't moved forward
[17:14] <bgamari> we have known that the current swapiness is ill-suited for desktop use for almost a year
[17:14] <bgamari> s/known/recognized/
[17:14] <bgamari> it's been known for far longer than that
[17:16] <ebroder> reading the discussion, i agree with Keybuk. and it looks like the reason the bug isn't making any progress is because people were being stubbornly unhelpful while JFo was trying to triage
[17:17] <ebroder> (primarily that the different kernel flavors give you the distinction you want to figure out what swappiness should be set to, which you don't have in the procps package)
[17:19] <bgamari> ebroder: Perhaps there could be packages containing bits of server- or desktop-specific configuration (e.g. sysctl.d files)
[17:19] <ebroder> we have that already. linux-image-generic vs. linux-image-server
[17:19] <bgamari> true
[17:19] <bgamari> I guess that would be the appropriate place in that case
[17:24] <bgamari> ebroder: It's true that people weren't particularly helpful
[17:24] <bgamari> but it's also true that a vague request for "testing" with no further qualification isn't going to get you particularly useful responses
[17:26] <ebroder> bgamari: people were actively unhelpful and antagonistic to the guy whose job it is to figure out what bugs the kernel team should be paying attention to. i think the result was fairly predictable
[17:27] <bgamari> fair enough
[17:29] <bgamari> ebroder: The problem with dropping a file in sysctl.d from linux-image-* is that there is no dependency on procps
[17:30] <bgamari> ebroder: Is it acceptable to carry a file in package A that has no use without package B, while there is no relationship between A and B
[17:32] <ebroder> is there not a config flag or something to set the default swappiness?
[17:33] <bgamari> let me check
[17:33] <ebroder> hmm...looks like not. that might be a good resolution - come up with a CONFIG_SWAPPINESS or whatever, because that's easy to frob on a per-flavor basis
[17:33] <bgamari> doesn't look like
[17:33] <bgamari> it
[17:34] <ebroder> and that might be upstreamable
[17:34] <bgamari> definitely
[17:37] <bgamari> I'll try working up a patch
[17:56] <bgamari> ebroder: patch attached
[17:58] <ebroder> bgamari: i'm not really qualified to pass judgement, but that looks reasonable to me
[17:59] <ebroder> should CONFIG_DEFAULT_SWAPPINESS depend on CONFIG_SWAP or something like that?
[17:59] <bgamari> probably
[18:00] <ebroder> (i don't really have a good understanding of how kconfig works)
[18:00] <bgamari> I'll fold that in and send it out as an RFC to see how repulsive the kernel folks find it
[18:00]  * ebroder nods
[18:00] <bgamari> I don't have great hope
[18:01] <bgamari> but you never know
[18:01] <maco> hi ben
[18:01] <bgamari> by this logic, the kernel should expose all sysctl knobs in Kconfig
[18:01] <bgamari> maco, hey!
[18:01] <bgamari> long time
[18:01] <maco> aye! get back down to dc for a visit! :P
[18:02] <bgamari> heh, we'll see what happens
[18:02] <bgamari> First I have to pass my quals up here
[18:02] <bgamari> I probably shouldn't even be doing coding work at the moment
[18:02] <bgamari> but a man can only take so much physics
[19:29]  * sanchaz brb
[21:14] <debfx> ScottK: what's blocking no-change backports? it's been over a month since you approved gcc-3.3 and virtualbox


[21:30] <daftykins> :D
[21:37]  * davef slow claps daftykins
[21:38] <davef> start your kettles, I arrive thursday morning. expect tea and jaffa cakes upon landing.
[21:38] <daftykins> mmm i wonder if the UK has stockpiled its' reserves under lock and key in anticipation
[21:39] <daftykins> zxmpi: we did put out the word didn't we? being foreigners we might not be trusted to raise the alarm
[21:46] <zxmpi> i am out of jaffa cakes and cheese at the moment. an out of cheese error. you never think it will happen to you...
[21:47] <daftykins> i woke up with the plague Monday morning, been recovering all week
[21:47] <daftykins> i just consumed my last emergency chocolate orange today
[21:52] <davef> i've been told to acquire chocolate oranges to return with
[21:52] <daftykins> haha
[21:52] <davef> so i might have to exhaust the UK's supply for a short period
[22:31] <zxmpi> a fake hunchback on the trip home should accomodate a few
[22:33] <daftykins> \o/


[06:05] <lubuntu214> hey guys!
[06:05] <lubuntu214> why does lubuntu have a photo manager?
[06:06] <lubuntu214> I'd recommend Shotwell. Its simple fairly lightweight. also it is Desktop independent so doesn't require a ton of gnome specific libraries.
[06:07] <holstein> you mean, why doesnt it?
[06:07] <holstein> could be that its assumed you might use a web service
[06:07] <holstein> not sure... i peronally hadnt missed it yet
[06:08] <holstein> its challenging to please everyone... but i would say file a bug about it
[06:08] <holstein> those are taken seriously
[06:08] <bioterror> we have soon software suggestions for next spin
[06:08] <bioterror> join mailing list and take part
[06:09] <lubuntu214> okay
[06:10] <lubuntu214> well most linux distros come with a photo manager and most people have some time of photo taking device.
[06:10] <lubuntu214> kind*
[06:10] <bioterror> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/shotwell
[06:10] <lubuntu214> I know that you can't have everything I just thought to add
[06:11] <holstein> its *so* small and light too... i appreciate that
[06:11] <holstein> light but slick looking
[06:11] <lubuntu214> yes it is nice looking
[06:11] <lubuntu214> it runs fast for uploading photos on my point in shoot
[06:11] <bioterror> filemanager is my photomanager :D
[06:11] <bioterror> I can right click image and edit it with GIMP )
[06:11] <bioterror> ;)
[06:12] <lubuntu214> true
[06:12] <holstein> yeah, i just put them in a directory
[06:12] <bioterror> yeah
[06:12] <lubuntu214> but its nice to have an app to organize it
[06:12] <holstein> i dont like/need the bigger music organizers either
[06:12] <bioterror> year/month/day/
[06:12] <lubuntu214> yeah I don't like those
[06:12] <bioterror> that's how I do it
[06:12] <lubuntu214> I like the music app provided with lubuntu
[06:13] <lubuntu214> the other players have way too much features and plugins slows the player down and makes it complexed to use
[06:13] <bioterror> lubuntu214, I'm sure that the lubuntu community is eager to hear how that application performs with pentium II devices ;)
[06:13] <lubuntu214> well I am not sure about those devices
[06:14] <bioterror> application is acceptable if it doesnt take any cpu or ram
[06:14] <lubuntu214> most people don't have those anymore and you can get donated pcs with much better cpus
[06:14] <bioterror> hahaha
[06:14] <bioterror> you really have not been in here for long
[06:14] <lubuntu214> freegeekchicago.org
[06:15] <holstein> either way, its nice having something light *and* modern
[06:15] <lubuntu214> yeah
[06:15] <lubuntu214> I love lubuntu
[06:15] <bioterror> if you need shotwell, you can install it
[06:15] <bioterror> just like any application
[06:15] <lubuntu214> yeah I know
[06:15] <lubuntu214> I just thought to suggest
[06:16] <lubuntu214> well I already know to use the bug reports and other things which I can better prepare my argument and conclusion.
[06:16] <bioterror> no devels here atm. use mailing list ;)
[06:16] <lubuntu214> okay
[06:17] <lubuntu214> even if you have a fast PC I still prefer a lightweight desktop cause its super fast
[06:17] <bioterror> but be prepared for people demanding benchmarks
[06:17] <lubuntu214> hates slowness
[06:18] <lubuntu214> getting a 1gb ram upgrade soon hopefully lubuntu will be even faster!
[06:18] <lubuntu214> 2gb ram total!
[06:18] <bioterror> !!
[06:18] <bioterror> you can grab 4GB of 1333MHz DDR3 from me for 15 euros
[06:19] <lubuntu214> sorry buddy my laptop doesn't take that
[06:19] <lubuntu214> I already paid for it on amazon
[06:19] <lubuntu214> my laptop takes pc2700 max is 1gb
[06:20] <bioterror> these dell's sucks, 2GB is max
[06:20] <bioterror> I should downgrade that 64bit to 32bit
[06:20] <holstein> you think it matters as much on a server bioterror ?
[06:20] <holstein> the 64bit on 2gb of ram?
[06:20] <bioterror> desktop usage
[06:21] <bioterror> Dell D420 and D430 has limited it to max 2GB
[06:21] <bioterror> crappy chipset that is
[06:21] <lubuntu214> that blows
[06:21] <holstein> i forget what i have but its got 2gb's of ram, and i did 64bit CLI only install
[06:21] <holstein> seems OK so far
[06:21] <holstein> couple weeks
[06:21] <lubuntu214> probably a way to force you to spend more
[06:22] <lubuntu214> so you can the ones that don't have that limit
[06:22] <bioterror> put 64bit CPU, limit RAM to 2GB :D
[06:23] <bioterror> larger address space has it's benefits and cons
[06:23] <lubuntu214> what's the ram limit for 64bit?
[06:24] <bioterror> 12301923+12893901289381923 :D
[06:24] <lubuntu214> my laptop is limited to 2gb
[06:24] <lubuntu214> but that's because it is 32bit
[06:24] <bioterror> 32bit is ~3GB
[06:24] <lubuntu214> if I remember correctly 32bit's limit is 32bit
[06:24] <lubuntu214> oh okay
[06:24] <lubuntu214> well its my chipset then
[06:26] <lubuntu214> do you really need dual core to use HD webcams on lubuntu if you have the ram requires just not the dual core part?
[06:26] <lubuntu214> 1.6ghz with 2gb ram
[06:26] <lubuntu214> I'd presume it'd work on lubuntu for sure but hell no on windows
[06:26] <lubuntu214> with that hardware
[06:27] <bioterror> I dunno, I have one microsoft webcam there for my wife
[06:27] <bioterror> but never used it
[06:27] <lubuntu214> oh I see
[06:27] <bioterror> my phone can record 720p video
[06:27] <lubuntu214> watch out your wife could have secret skype boyfriends!
[06:28] <lubuntu214> just joking...
[06:28] <lubuntu214> teasin' yea bro!
[06:28] <bioterror> last time I checked, she didnt have skype account nor skype installed ;)
[09:25] <johnnyzero> Hey guys I have a question. How can I fix the default session of Lubuntu? I tried to mess around with the start menu and I screwed it up. Now it only contains the logout choice with no categories. Yet in the other sessions, the menu appears normal. How do I fix this?
[13:30] <JadedJacob> hi.
[13:31] <JadedJacob> anyone running lubuntu on a pentium 4 2.4ghz or similar?
[14:14] <leszek> hi
[15:13] <lubuntu214> if you have hp all in one printer. you need hplip installed to use scanner. printer works fine without hplip
[16:41] <leszek> re
[18:28] <jellow> Hi there I've just installed lubuntu onto a usb stick , Though grub is messed up how do I re-install it and stop it probing my other non-related hds ?
[18:34] <Unit193> You installed it to a flash drive? You needed to use a tool like unetbootin and enable persistant mode
[18:34] <Unit193> persistent
[18:36] <jellow> I used unetbootin and created a usb , where I ran the install and onto an sd card ..
[18:37] <Unit193> You installed onto an SD card, for that one computer I'd hope?
[18:38] <jellow> No I was hoping to use the sd card on multiple computers , Does it not work like that?
[18:38] <Unit193> Not really
[18:39] <Unit193> For a persistent live USB install, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[18:40] <jellow> Even a tool for it ! Great
[18:40] <Unit193> Are you using windows to make it?
[18:41] <jellow> no Ubuntu
[18:44] <jellow> Thanks will try that need to close irssi to umount /mnt
[20:10] <witeds> greetings i have a question and an issue when i try to share internet to another lubuntu computer my connection on the host to that ethernet port constantly connects and disconnects
[20:11] <witeds> any ideas how to fix this?
[20:12] <bioterror> does it loose link or something else?
[20:12] <bioterror> how did you share it?
[20:14] <witeds> went to network connections edit and shared to other computers on the normal ubuntu this worked
[20:14] <witeds> but for lubuntu 11.10 it seems to be connecting and disconnnecting slowing down if not halting networking for the other computer
[20:16] <witeds> oh also my ahavi network discovery deamon keeps getting shut off du to my isp's router running linux and having a .local name could this be contributing and when i remove the disabler script it comes back
[20:24] <witeds> nvm problem solved with the shared connection
[20:24] <witeds> but i still need that avahi discovery daemon
[22:02] <xsaidx> hello guys
[22:03] <Timo_> hey lads, I'm trying to install Linux on my fathers laptop, but it keeps crashing in the installer when moving to the partitioner. I've tried: Linux Mint 9 & 11 64 bit, Ubuntu 11.10 32 bit, Lubuntu 11.10 64 bit and Minimal install 64 bit, anyone knows what this could be?
[22:05] <stlsaint> Timo_: sounds like a hardware issue
[22:05] <stlsaint> xsaidx: sup
[22:06] <Timo_> stlsaint: that's what I thought. I also tried installing it through Windows, with the wubi installer and that failed because 'windows iso backend was unkown'
[22:06] <Timo_> or something like that anyways
[22:06] <Timo_> But the odd thing is, I looked the laptop (Dell Latitude E5400) up on the internet, and it gave good reviews for linux
[22:07] <xsaidx> stlsaint: fine thanks and you ,, i ve got a question how to re-split the screen in a screen session for ex i split it to 3 sceens how can i go back to only 2 screens ??
[22:07] <Timo_> and the Live CD works like a charm, running from the USB is already really fast :)
[22:13] <Timo_> stlsaint: a 'hardware issue', does that mean my hardware is broken, or that the hardware is unsupported?
[22:17] <Timo_> mm I found out why the wubi didn't work..I'm gonna try it via wubi again...hope it will work :)
[22:31] <Timo_> I hope that this will hope! It would be a bummer if it wouldn't work...I really want my dad to learn linux :D
[22:40] <Timo_> Wauw! I installed Lubuntu through wubi, and now I start up in a Ubuntu 11.10 distro
[22:40] <Timo_> that's super weird
[22:41] <Timo_> How can that ever happen :D I took the Lubuntu 64 bit cd, and now it installed Ubuntu, how the hell can that happen?:D
[22:46] <Myrtti> well, if you're planning to leave the installation to be used for more than a few weeks, wubi isn't the option I'd recommend anyway
[22:52] <Timo_> Myrtti: I know, but installing it the normal way doesn't work... :(
[23:14] <Myrtti> oh well


[12:13] <shawarma> jdong: Heh.
[12:15] <crimsun> jdong: did anyone using xinerama test your debs?
[12:16] <jdong> crimsun: xinerama is a lost cause in the updated version unfortunately
[12:16] <jdong> crimsun: I couldn't port it over or find any evidence the Suse has updated diff for that either :-/
[12:17] <jdong> crimsun: it's a pretty small loss though... xinerama AND Xgl is a minor fraction of Xgl users
[12:17] <jdong> better than not having any Xgl in the first place.
[12:17] <crimsun> what's the situation with xserver-xgl? Who _must_ use it?
[12:17] <crimsun> for compiz/beryl, that is
[12:17] <jdong> crimsun: every fglrx user, and nvidia-legacy user
[12:18] <jdong> crimsun: and those using GeForce4's get smoother rendering on Xgl too
[12:18] <jdong> so many of those guys choose to use it
[12:18] <crimsun> dang, I was just going to suggest a binary removal
[12:18] <jdong> crimsun: if it's not in Ubuntu repos, it will start showing up in more misshapen fashions in 3rd party ones.
[12:18] <jdong> crimsun: we can go that route but I think it's uglier :)
[12:20] <crimsun> doesn't it exist already in trevino's or whonot's?
[12:21] <jdong> well beryl repos has a patched-up Edgy version in their Edgy repos
[12:21] <jdong> (that adds the 0ubuntu2 patch for faster rendering)
[12:21] <jdong> but nothing has been done in Feisty et
[12:21] <jdong> their decision will depend on if an official package is put in Feisty.
[12:22] <crimsun> sick. Just sick.
[12:22] <jdong> I have yet to hear of any report of the new version not working for anyone that's tried it
[12:22] <jdong> and between the bug and the forum thread, there's a good 20 acks that it works
[12:23] <jdong> *sigh* hopefulyl come this time feisty+1 we'll have something better to offer ATI users....
[12:23] <crimsun> I'm like halfway through GL/mesa/glapi/glapitemp.h
[12:23] <jdong> I'm sorry, crimsun :(
[12:27] <shawarma> Amaranth: around?
[12:27] <Amaranth> shawarma: for a little bit
[12:27] <shawarma> Amaranth: I remember you were porting stuff from beryl to compiz, right?
[12:28] <shawarma> Amaranth: did you ever look at the window preview plugin?
[12:29] <Amaranth> shawarma: it's a big hack, needs stupid core changes
[12:29] <Amaranth> gtg
[12:30] <shawarma> bugger
[12:33] <keescook> if my mplayer uploads broke a/v sync, I'm going to be seriously shocked.  each upload was a 1 line change in the DMO and DS loaders.  :)
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Hi keescook.
[12:33] <keescook> hiya Fujitsu
[12:34] <Fujitsu> (please do remember to use bzr in future, or things get lost)
[12:34] <Fujitsu> There really should be a more obvious way to tell if something's in bzr.
[12:34] <shawarma> stgraber: you should set bugs to "fix committed" until you actually see the packages on archive.ubuntu.com.
[12:34] <keescook> oh!  whoops, sorry
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: It's on its way.
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: There's talk on the ml about a X-Version-Control thing in debian/control
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: ...or something like that.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> XS-Vcs-Bzr?
[12:35] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Yes, that's the on.e
[12:36] <Fujitsu> That's not exactly obvious (and mplayer has it now)
[12:36] <shawarma> I don't see how it could be any more obvious, really.
[12:36] <shawarma> We just need to get used to checking for it.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Well, I was thinking that LP could reject the upload if it could see it was in bzr, but the changes in the new version weren't.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> It's meant to be getting the intelligence to be able to do that soon, I believe.
[12:38] <shawarma> Yes, that's what the NoMoreSourcePackages spec is essentially about, isn't it?
[12:38] <Fujitsu> (working out which revision corresponds to which source package version, and stuff)
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Well, sort of.
[02:34] <ajmitch> jdong: don't worry, I'd be one of the ones approving your application
[02:35] <jdong> :)
[02:35] <jdong> well, I've learned to look before I type.
[02:35] <jdong> (I hope)
[02:36] <LaserJock> jdong: well, it could have been worse, you could have blogged it on planet ;-)
[02:36] <zul> ouch..
[02:37] <jdong> *shudder*
[02:37] <ajmitch> that would have been entertaining
[02:40] <zul> "How to shoot your mouth off and make friends while doing it"
[02:48] <LaserJock> oh, I saw a thing on Hans Reiser on the local news like last night
[02:48] <ajmitch> oh?
[02:49] <LaserJock> must of been like an arraignment hearing
[02:50] <LaserJock> his lawyer was talking about how the charges were completely absurd, blah blah
[02:50] <ajmitch> nothing interesting then
[02:50] <LaserJock> not really
[02:51] <LaserJock> it was just weird seeing it on the news
[02:52] <jdong> laserJock: he can stand trial, that's the gist I got.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> jdong: That's about it, yes.
[02:54] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: was it in your area?
[02:54] <LaserJock> kinda
[02:54] <LaserJock> we get one channel from the San Fransisco area
[02:55] <LaserJock> it's actually 4-5 hrs drive away
[03:02] <LaserJock> !!
[03:03] <Fujitsu> ?
[03:03] <LaserJock> my FF email is on lwn
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Link?
[03:03] <LaserJock> http://lwn.net/Articles/224001/
[03:03] <LaserJock> how weird
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[03:04] <Fujitsu> I saw that a week or so ago.
[03:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're famous
[03:04] <ajmitch> unlike the rest of us peons
[03:04] <LaserJock> you just need to get stuck writing all the emails
[03:04] <LaserJock> that's what you get for "delegating" ;-)
[03:05] <ajmitch> yep
[03:05] <ajmitch> and I don't blog
[03:05] <ajmitch> so noone knows about me :)
[03:05] <LaserJock> isn't that handy
[03:05] <ajmitch> quite
[03:06] <Fujitsu> I don't even have a website!
[03:06] <LaserJock> so umm, my laptop's time didn't change
[03:06] <Fujitsu> It's nice being a nobody.
[03:06] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: OS X?
[03:07] <LaserJock> Feisty
[03:07] <LaserJock> my desktop seems right
[03:07] <LaserJock> and the laptop says it's PDT, which I think is right
[03:07] <LaserJock> but the time itself didn't change
[03:09] <LaserJock> ok, I think it just didn't do it's NTP update yet
[03:09] <LaserJock> I did a manual NTP update and it's fine now
[03:09] <ajmitch> shouldn't need to use ntp
[03:09] <ajmitch> great, NZDT ends next sunday
[03:10] <ajmitch> 1 extra hour of sleep
[03:10] <Fujitsu> +1 LaserJock
[03:10] <Lathiat> ours ends next week also
[03:10] <ajmitch> yes, using UTC would work so well throughout the world
[03:44] <TheMuso> bug 88908
[03:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88908 in murrine "[UVFe]  update to 0.51" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88908
[03:49] <rexbron> hey ajmitch, would you look at bug 88908. I need another ack for an UFV exception
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88908 in murrine "[UVFe]  update to 0.51" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88908
[03:51] <rexbron> or slomo_ or siretart, if you are online and have a second
[03:51] <rexbron> see ^
[04:10] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:10] <Nafallo> just to confirm. are bzr builddeb broken?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> I couldn't use it, so I presume so.
[04:10] <lifeless> ECHANNEL surely :)
[04:11] <Nafallo> lifeless: I want to bzr builddeb -e on mplayer, so no ;-)
[04:11] <lifeless> no, I think you do - #bzr is where builddeb plugin discussion happens
[04:11] <Nafallo> hehe, oki :-)
[04:12] <LaserJock> lifeless: how would be know that :-)
[04:12] <lifeless> 'bzr'
[04:12] <Nafallo> it's 4:11 here, and I chat with a nice girl, so not now anyway :-)
[04:12] <LaserJock> I assumed that it was an independent project
[04:12] <LaserJock> so not really that on-topic for #bzr
[04:13] <lifeless> LaserJock: well, its a plugin, but entirely ontopic
[04:14] <lifeless> just like bzr shelve, bzr baz-import, bzr git support, bzr hg support etc etc etc
[04:44] <Hobbsee> @ planet ubuntu
[04:45] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee ;-)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock!
[04:47] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso - seen planet?
[04:47] <TheMuso> Just refreshing my RSS reader now.
[04:48] <TheMuso> Or do you mean \sh_away's comment?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:48] <TheMuso> Well... Um, I dunno.
[04:49] <jdong> WHOA.
[04:49] <jdong> just read planet
[04:49] <jdong> I feel BETTEr now
[04:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:49] <jdong> Hobbsee: oh dear did you see that?
[04:49] <jdong> (what I did)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> jdong: nope, but please continue to make me laugh :)
 Oh vista does think it's 26 ***es in between my thighs
[04:50] <jdong>  CRAP WRONG CHANNEL
[04:50] <jdong>  please ignore that.
[04:50] <jdong> in this channel.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:50] <Hobbsee> oops :P
[04:50] <LaserJock> jdong: again? ;-)
[04:50] <jdong> laserJock: lol
[04:51] <jdong> wow
[04:51] <jdong> is that what Beryl does to you?
[05:03] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[05:12] <asantoni> lol, jdong, it's ok... two weeks ago I kept trying to copy and paste across a VNC session, and it resulted in me sharing my whole week's TODO list with 150 people in an IRC channel.
[05:12] <asantoni> good times
[05:12] <Hobbsee> ...ouch
[05:12] <jdong> :)
[05:12] <asantoni> :)
[05:13] <jdong> I still think analyzing dirty rap lyrics is worse :)
[05:13] <jdong> especially when you totally misunderstand them :D
[05:13] <asantoni> haha
[05:13] <asantoni> :D
[05:14] <jdong> and I'm a klutz at doing that :(
[05:14] <jdong> I have too many windows open....
[05:14] <jdong> I'd get a friend asking me the next day "WTF IS A SYNC REQUEST"
[05:19] <LaserJock> hmm, now I know why I don't do TODO lists or listen to rap ;-)
[05:19] <jdong> lol
[05:20] <jdong> good excuse
[05:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure you do :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon, what are you perkign over?
[05:50] <imbrandon> nothing, just walked in after a night at the pub
[05:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:51] <imbrandon> hows it going Hobbsee ?
[05:51] <imbrandon> ( and everyone )
[05:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seen planet yet?  :P
[05:51] <jdong> imbrandon: sexy.
[05:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i seen it, i felt about the same way as daniel stone
[05:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:52] <imbrandon> then again ther is a language barier, but still, thats just bad taste
[05:53] <jdong> it might be too late at night
[05:53] <imbrandon> as long as people dont discuourage you from doing what you want to do ( and i think personaly your strong willed enough not to let them ) then its all good
[05:53] <jdong> but I didn't totally comprehend what he was trying to say....
[05:53] <jdong> it sounds more drunken tirade-ish
[05:54] <imbrandon> jdong, he isnt native english so some things dont come accross as they should BUT her mentions he intended to be policticly incorrect sooooo.....
[05:54] <imbrandon> s/her/he
[05:54] <imbrandon> like i said night at the pub, nice typo's ;)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm going to respond back, but i'm thinking of waiting till zerlinna wakes up
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you stay away from that pub :P
[05:55] <TheMuso> Heya imbrandon.
[05:55] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[05:55] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[05:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, please go easy though, maybe even ummm i dunno, just try not to start a gurl/guy war unless nessesary ;)
[05:56] <imbrandon> hehehe
[05:56] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[05:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.  oh of course.  no point starting up a girl/guy war, mainly because there arent too many girls to back me up :P
[05:56] <imbrandon> that data zerl post was kinda cool though
[05:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hahaha "i'm just one of the chicks" ;)
[05:57] <LaserJock> lol
[05:57] <imbrandon> speaking of i havent been in #ubuntu-women in a while
[05:57] <imbrandon> lol
[05:57] <LaserJock> I just wouldn't know what to say
[05:57] <imbrandon> ( in other words , i would back you Hobbsee )
[05:58] <LaserJock> my wife would probably get jelous ;-)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> he
[05:58] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[05:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock, your so seski ( /me stops now before this gets tooooooo OT )
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:58] <TheMuso> imbrandon: If you have a minute, could you please do me a favour, and install libportaudio0 on sparky? I want to do some testing with espeak, and need to make sure any endian issues are sorted out.
[05:59] <TheMuso> sorry, libportaudio-dev
[05:59] <imbrandon> TheMuso, sure give me about 2 min to login
[05:59] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Yeah no hurry.
[05:59] <imbrandon> btw siretart and ajmitch both are admins on all the buildd's too incase i'm not arround
[05:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:01] <imbrandon> TheMuso, done
[06:01] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Thanks heaps.
[06:01] <imbrandon> np
[06:02] <imbrandon> just sparky or ppc and x86 too ?
[06:02] <TheMuso> no, sparky is fine. I have ppc and x86, so can test on those.
[06:02] <imbrandon> kk
[06:04] <TheMuso> haha
[06:04] <imbrandon> ok sooooo whats going on in MOTU land the last 48 hours? anything interesting ?
[06:04] <imbrandon> i want sometihng MOTUish to blog about
[06:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:04] <imbrandon> :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kubuntu bug day!!!
[06:04] <Hobbsee> er, week!
[06:05] <TheMuso> imbrandon: A call to let us know if there are any apckages that need php love?
[06:05] <imbrandon> started monday right Hobbsee ?
[06:05] <imbrandon> TheMuso, good call
[06:06] <LaserJock> yeah, we should give a "shout out" for specific areas we need tested
[06:06] <imbrandon> i'll give one about the php4 trans
[06:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: er, starts today, i think
[06:07] <imbrandon> but yea
[06:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea monday started 1 minute ago for me
[06:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:07] <imbrandon> man , i love this jono song
[06:08] <imbrandon> most of his stuff is "ok" but not my type of music
[06:08] <imbrandon> but this song rocks
[06:08] <imbrandon> ( reflections )
[06:15] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you mentioned my name..
[06:22] <imbrandon> yes ... ?
[06:22] <imbrandon> just stating that you could install stuff also , TheMuso seemed to have been waiting on me
[06:23] <imbrandon> not that i mind, just letting him know
[06:23] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Well, I wasn't in a hurry, and I didn't know if ajmitch was around.
[06:23] <TheMuso> And it came to mind when you were, so there. :)
[06:23] <imbrandon> true true ;)
[06:24] <imbrandon> man alcohol makes you sleepy
[06:24] <imbrandon> err ... yea
[06:25] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:25] <ajmitch> don't make me thirsty
[06:25] <TheMuso> haha
[06:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:25] <imbrandon> i just returned fromt he pub ajmitch
[06:25] <imbrandon> the*
[06:25] <imbrandon> err
[06:25] <imbrandon> damnit
[06:25] <TheMuso> hahaha
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <TheMuso> Heya dholbach.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach!
[06:47] <dholbach> hey TheMuso, hey Hobbsee
[06:50] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[06:52] <dholbach> hey andrew
[06:55] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[06:55] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[06:57] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:59] <Hobbsee> i mean, i know more or less waht i want to say, but i hate trying to phrase it
[06:59] <ajmitch> "DIE DIE DIE"?
[06:59] <ajmitch> ;)
[07:00] <TheMuso> heh
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:01] <LaserJock> "Men stink!" as my wife might say ;-)
[07:02] <TheMuso> haha
[07:02] <ajmitch> zomg you mean I can actually meet girls on the intarweb?!
[07:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:03] <ajmitch> I think you spelt it correctly :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> right
[07:07] <jdong> Hobbsee: you spelled that eloquently.
[07:07] <jdong> Hobbsee: and our GTK IRC clients have spellcheck.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> so does wordpress, i forgot
[07:09] <ajmitch> you haven't caused enough havoc around here today, jdong ?
[07:09] <jdong> ajmitch: I love you too.
[07:10] <ajmitch> :)
[07:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:10] <LaserJock> jdong needs a braincheck
[07:10] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:11] <ajmitch> haha
[07:11] <jdong> laserJock: tried that; I just see red squiggles everywherer
[07:13] <Hobbsee> there :)
[07:14] <jdong> oh look at this! "You are trying to write a smartass comment that nobody  will find funny. Allow or Deny?"
[07:15] <ajmitch> lovely title of the blog post, Hobbsee ;)
[07:16] <ajmitch> well put
[07:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: *grin*
[07:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've forgotten waht the old one was, though...
[07:19] <ajmitch> old one?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> the bitchy psycopath, was it?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> or the pyscopathic bithc
[07:19] <Hobbsee> or the pyscopathic bitch
[07:19] <ajmitch> oh right
[07:19] <ajmitch> I think this one can be a bit more complimentary :)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, i think so too
[07:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Great post./
[07:35] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: thanks!  :D
[07:39] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: What is this "brain" you speak of?
[07:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee stole mine
[07:42] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You have a brain?
[07:42] <ajmitch> harsh
[07:42] <Fujitsu> I thought you'd been zombie-packaging.
[07:43] <Amaranth> I had mine removed to make room for a faster graphics card
[07:43] <Amaranth> oooh, shiny!
[07:43] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Now that's a good idea!  :D nice seeing you here
[08:16] <zakame> yes, sadly :/
[08:17] <zakame> yo Fujitsu
[08:17] <man-di> zakame: my plan would be to revive it and merge it Deban Java Maintainers
[08:17] <zakame> ooh!  that would be nice indeed
[08:17] <man-di> s/it/it with/
[08:17] <man-di> zakame: thats the only way it makes sense to me
[08:17] <man-di> on the long run
[08:18] <man-di> and to solve some issues we have in Debian....
[08:18] <man-di> like manpower
[08:18] <zakame> sure, that would be good :D  I want to learn more about Java too and help out eventually
[08:18] <man-di> but motujava seem to have the same problem
[08:18] <man-di> many people not doing anything ;-)
[08:19] <zakame> yeah, actually I've received mails from the people listed on the motujava list on how they could help out
[08:19] <man-di> zakame: the first thing I wanna do is to merge all java packags for feisty+1 and etch+1
[08:20] <man-di> zakame: bug have someone actually did something?
[08:20] <man-di> s/bug/but/
[08:20] <zakame> not really :/
[08:20] <man-di> btw: mail about pp2 is nearly done
[08:21] <man-di> zakame: sorry for the delay
[08:21] <zakame> yay! can't wait for it :D
[08:23] <man-di> zakame: I would have one, maven2 packaging ;-)
[08:24] <zakame> man-di: hmm... that's something... my cousin is an active maven contributor so I could probably get some tips from her about packaging it :D
[08:25] <zakame> Fujitsu: what over-18 restriction?
[08:26] <zakame> ah, http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60278&topic=10730
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Ja.
[08:26] <zakame> Fujitsu: not 18 yet?
[08:26] <Fujitsu> I'm not even 16.
[08:27] <zakame> whoa I actually thought you're older than me :D
[08:28] <Fujitsu> Interesting.
[08:30] <man-di> zakame: just joking, I'm actively working on packaging it, but its a total mess. it needs itself to build from source
[08:30] <zakame> man-di: needs itself?
[08:31] <man-di> you need maven to build maven from source
[08:31] <man-di> its a hen-egg bootstrapping problem
[08:32] <man-di> like you need a C compiler to build your initial C compiler for a new architecture
[08:32] <zakame> ah
[08:32] <man-di> totally horrible
[08:37] <zakame> can't there be something like a minimal maven-builder package that has the bits for a full maven to be built?
[08:37] <zakame> or would that involve upstream redesigning the build process, if ever?
[08:41] <man-di> zakame: that is how I do
[08:41] <man-di> zakame: its just a LOT of work to get everything right
[08:43] <zakame> indeed :(
[09:09] <ajmitch> Seveas: you are a bad, bad man
[09:09] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Heheheheh.
[09:10] <Fujitsu> There just had to be that photo...
[10:17] <hypa7ia> Sp4rKy: qucs is still busted :(
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> hypa7ia: ??
[10:19] <hypa7ia> Sp4rKy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-2006-11-22.html
[10:20] <hypa7ia> you're apparently the only other person who actually tried it :)
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[10:21] <Fujitsu> What's the issue with it?
[10:22] <hypa7ia> it relies on freehdl-config
[10:22] <hypa7ia> which isn't packaged or listed as a dependency
[10:22] <hypa7ia> http://www.freehdl.seul.org/
[10:22] <Fujitsu> How broken is it without it?
[10:22] <hypa7ia> qucs is a circuit sim
[10:23] <hypa7ia> without freehdl it can't actually simulate circuits :)
[10:23] <hypa7ia> it can make pretty drawings of them though!
[10:23] <hypa7ia> but not actually run them
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:25] <hypa7ia> ktechlab seems to work though
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> "The French parliament has chosen Ubuntu for all the Members of Parliament computer (and assistants). Linagora and Unilog will provide support for those 577 'political' computers."
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> hurray!
[11:15] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK: Yup.
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> now, if only we could get the finnish one to do that...
[11:22] <tepsipakki> Q-FUNK: good luck ;)
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> tepsipakki: I, for one, welcome our new klingon MP
[01:26] <StevenK> imbrandon: Damn it, install on xauth on *.ubuntuwire.com so -X actually works.
[01:26] <StevenK> s/install on/install/
[02:41] <jaalto> imbrandon, can you check if my GPG key got updated to REVU keyring
[02:42] <jaalto> imbrandon, keyid 955A92D8
[02:42] <crimsun> I can just resync it
[02:42] <crimsun> presuming you've already joined the correct LP team
[02:43] <jaalto> crimsum, that'd be great. I've joined the ubuntu-universe-contributors and intended to upload a *.deb, but imbrandom notified that the key must be synched first. Could you see to it?
[02:44] <crimsun> sync running
[02:52] <crimsun> sync complete
[02:52] <jaalto> crimsum, thanks. Btw, do you know if Ubuntu lists has been registered to gmane.org as well (NNTP news gateway)?
[02:53] <zul> yes hey have
[02:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:55] <jaalto> zul, Thanks. found the. Do you know what is the gmane equivalent for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I didn't see it at first glance (Can I "PASTE" somewhere)
[02:55] <zul> it might not be subscribed
[02:56] <jaalto> zul, the only MOTU related list I saw was gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.universe
[02:56] <jaalto> Hm, I'll file requests to Gmane
[03:25] <jaalto> crimsum, I uploaded truecrypt-installed to REVU. Following the REVU wiki and logging in to revu.tauware.de with my EMAIL + "recover" returns an encrypted message. This however does not contain the announced password, only word "None". Does this mean that the package has not yet arrived to queue?
[03:26] <jaalto> s/truecrypt-installed/truecrypt-installer/
[06:04] <Seveas> ajmitch, ?
[06:12] <bddebian> Isn't there a C for dummies channel somewhere on here?
[06:22] <jdong> bddebian: you mean I'm in the wrong room?
[06:23] <bddebian> No I'm struggling with a multi-dimensional char array issue
[06:26] <jdong> bddebian: just overallocate and everything will be fine. Vista did it and it's working out for them...
[06:48] <bigon> siretart: are you there?
[06:54] <shawarma> imbrandon: Can you install python-fuse on sparky, please?
[07:11] <Adri2000> pochu: gaim-extendedprefs 0.5-5ubuntu1 could have been 0.5-5build1 with no maintainer change, no?
[07:18] <geser> Adri2000: according to the changelog it should be build1 and changing Maintainer wouldn't be necessary
[07:35] <pochu> Adri2000: yep, you are right
[07:35] <pochu> Adri2000: I didn't know, will do the next time! :)
[07:36] <pochu> Adri2000: then, there is no need to fit the new maintainer spec?
[07:36] <Adri2000> pochu: no, it's not needed for a rebuild
[07:37] <pochu> Adri2000: ah, ok
[07:37] <pochu> thanks!
[07:37] <jdong__> LaserJock: lol
[07:37] <LaserJock> "I know where you live"
[07:37] <jdong> :)
[07:40] <\sh> moins
[07:41] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[07:45] <ScottK> Hi all.
[07:46] <LaserJock> hi ScottK
[07:47] <ScottK> Howdy LaserJock
[07:48] <sacater> LaserJock: my 01welp.co.uk server has failed, please add me on jabber with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:04] <ajmitch> morning
[08:04] <fernando> ajmitch: moin
[08:04] <LaserJock> hola ajmitch
[08:04] <zul_> hey ajmitch
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:07] <Lutin> any clues about why bittorrent-gui depends on python-wxgtk2.6 whereas the code wants only 2.4 ?
[08:10] <ajmitch> someone switched the dependencies without looking at the code?
[08:11] <jdong> to prepare for bittorent 5.0.0 uploads
[08:13] <zul> *groan*(
[08:14] <Lutin> weird thing is that wxgtk2.4 isn't detected when installed
[09:46] <LaserJock> that's really unbelievable
[09:47] <Lutin> LaserJock: all those join/part ?
[09:48] <LaserJock> no
[09:48] <LaserJock> -devel
[09:48] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: (slackware 96 -> rh 4.2 -> various newer RHs, Debian potato, woody, sid, warty, change of architecture, hoary, breezy, dapper,  edgy, feisty)
[09:48] <ajmitch> ah, the upgrades
[09:48] <ajmitch> yeah, I wasn't quite brave enough to do a manual switch from mandrake to debian
[09:49] <LaserJock> I can't really see how we should expect users to never reinstall
[09:49] <LaserJock> but it'd be awesome if they at least didn't *have* to
[09:49] <ajmitch> why do you reinstall so often?
[09:50] <stgraber> usually I simply try to keep my /home and some /etc setting + dpkg -l, but for the rest I like to start with a really clean system (means without my hacks everywhere :))
[09:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: stuff doesn't work -> reinstall
[09:51] <LaserJock> although lately it's more for testing
[09:51] <ajmitch> crazy :)
[09:51] <LaserJock> since Edgy has been out I've bounced between dapper, edgy and feisty several times
[09:52] <LaserJock> on the 3 machines I run Ubuntu on
[09:54] <LaserJock> however, before I landed with Ubuntu I averaged 2-3 weeks between installations
[09:54] <stgraber> Usually I reinstall to check that I have the same system as any other user would have, because you can be sure after some months none of the main config file stays untouched on my computer :) and then if someone ask you something you can't explain the way to do on a "normal" ubuntu :)
[09:54] <LaserJock> so a seperate /home was often used ;-)
[09:54] <geser> I've installed Debian in Oct 2000 -> Debian unstable -> breezy -> dapper -> edgy
[09:55] <geser> and then I triggered that XFS bug that crashed my XFS
[09:55] <LaserJock> now you all are making me feel silly
[09:55] <stgraber> these last weeks/months I'm trying to use a more clean system, try to use package everywhere it's possible, use an ubuntu kernel, use the generated xorg.conf, ...
[09:55] <LaserJock> just because an installation doesn't last more than 6 months for me
[09:56] <stgraber> On a stable system (I mean Edgy) the installation last way more than 6 months for me, but as I currently only have my server on Edgy the average reinstallation time is the space between two Herds :)
[09:56] <geser> I forgot there was a reinstall when I bought my AMD64 and install the newly Debian AMD64 port than
[09:56] <ajmitch> average install time is however long I've had the hardware
[09:57] <ajmitch> sometimes longer if I move disks from one box to another
[09:58] <LaserJock> so do you use like qemu or vmware for testing?
[09:58] <xhaker> (:
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not usually
[09:58] <geser> I have still those cross-graded installation on i386, perhaps I should update it to feisty :)
[09:58] <LaserJock> my issue has been, how do I know what a user's going to get if I keep my install that long?
[09:59] <ajmitch> make sure you don't do silly things when upgrading :)
[09:59] <LaserJock> hmm?
[09:59] <ajmitch> debian was built around providing decent upgrades
[09:59] <LaserJock> but they aren't that great, from my experience
[10:00] <LaserJock> it's almost always been easier/better for me to reinstall than dist-upgrade
[10:00] <ajmitch> I often picked a set of packages to upgrade at a time
[10:01] <LaserJock> update-manager seems to work a bit better than dist-upgrading, when it works
[10:01] <xhaker> i usually leave openoffice behind
[10:01] <ajmitch> Lure: congrats
[10:01] <Lure> ajmitch: ?
[10:01] <ajmitch> silly sabdfl forgot to CC you ;)
[10:02] <Lure> ajmitch: oh, just got launchpad mail... ;-)
[10:02] <LaserJock> congrats!
[10:02] <ajmitch> see launchpad.net/~lure
[10:02] <Lure> ajmitch, LaserJock: thanks!
[10:03] <ajmitch> oh I see that the beta ui finally shows where we've been most active
[10:04] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:05] <LaserJock> I miss the emblems most of all though
[10:05] <jetsaredim> is there a mirror for cdimage??
[10:05] <ajmitch> Lutin: what else do you have to convince the MC with to approve your application?
[10:06] <LaserJock> jetsaredim: yes, you can find them on Launchpad
[10:06] <jetsaredim> LaserJock: can you be a little more specific?
[10:06] <LaserJock> jetsaredim: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[10:07] <LaserJock> oh, maybe that's not right though
[10:07] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if those are cdimage.u.c mirrors or not
[10:07] <LaserJock> but you should be able to find quite a bit of stuff there
[10:08] <crimsun> jetsaredim: se.archive
[10:08] <crimsun> ajmitch: I'm still awaiting a response [to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-March/000039.html ]
[10:08] <jetsaredim> LaserJock: I'm actually looking for the daily images
[10:09] <Lutin> crimsun: I'm still trying to write a decent answer
[10:09] <crimsun> Lutin: sure.
[10:10] <LaserJock> jetsaredim: the mirror that crimsun gave you is about the only one I know of
[10:11] <crimsun> (it doesn't host dailies that I know of)
[10:11] <shawarma> Have any of guys ever tried writing a fuse file system?
[10:11] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh, fine then ;-)
[10:11] <jetsaredim> the daily server is only xferring at like 15-20K/sec
[10:12] <crimsun> jetsaredim: try a different time of day, and keep rsync
[10:12] <LaserJock> rsync is the way to go for sure
[10:13] <jetsaredim> what's the difference if its an iso?
[10:13] <crimsun> you only suffer the initial download once
[10:13] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Heh. I get around 330K/sec
[10:14] <jetsaredim> hmm - my connection is at least 150K
[10:15] <shawarma> Mine's 100Mbit.
[10:16] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Is it the i386 one?
[10:16] <jetsaredim> yea
[10:16] <jetsaredim> feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[10:16] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Oh, you said server, didn't you?
[10:17] <shawarma> < jetsaredim> the daily server is only xferring at like 15-20K/sec
[10:17] <shawarma> :-)
[10:17] <jetsaredim> right
[10:18] <jetsaredim> hence me asking if there is a mirror
[10:18] <jetsaredim> which there apparently isn't
[10:19] <crimsun> yes, there is, but I don't know if the one here is public
[10:19] <jetsaredim> "here" being?
[10:19] <crimsun> there's one at gtilib.gatech, too, but I doubt you can get there
[10:19] <crimsun> here being my workplace, ncat.edu
[10:19] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Yes, but there are also daily images of the server version. I thought that was what you were after.
[10:20] <jetsaredim> crimsun: you can open the fw for me, I won't tell ;)
[10:20] <crimsun> I'm not an admin, sorry.
[10:21] <jetsaredim> was a joke
[10:22] <jetsaredim> shawarma: would it matter if it were the server version?
[10:22] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Probably not.
[10:22] <jetsaredim> the same server would still have the lousy throughput
[10:23] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Could you test your download rate from http://linux2go.dk/feisty-desktop-i386.iso ?
[10:23] <shawarma> jetsaredim: If it's any better, just wait another half an hour and it should be done downloading. Then you can get it from there.
[10:23] <crimsun> why don't you just grab the herd 5 and rsync?
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:24] <jetsaredim> want the livecd to test something
[10:24] <LaserJock> that should be fast though
[10:24] <crimsun> so grab the herd 5 desktop image and rsync against daily
[10:24] <crimsun> err, daily-live
[10:25] <jetsaredim> hmm
[10:25] <jetsaredim> what is the server to sync against?
[10:25] <LaserJock> cdimage.
[10:25] <jetsaredim> there some instructions on that?
[10:26] <jetsaredim> I don't want to mess with the underlying install that's on the machine I'm testing though
[10:27] <LaserJock> it wouldn't do anything, it's just an .iso download
[10:27] <crimsun> rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/feisty*i386.iso .
[10:27] <jetsaredim> it would just rsync in the livecd environment
[10:27] <LaserJock> no, you are rsyncing the .iso file
[10:27] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Did you test the bandwidth from http://linux2go.dk/feisty-desktop-i386.iso ?
[10:28] <jetsaredim> shawarma: hold on
[10:29] <shawarma> jetsaredim: Mind you: There complete is not there yet. I'm downloading it right now. It'll be done i 21 minutes, so if you get good bw from it, you can just wait another 25 minutes and then start downloading from that.
[10:30] <shawarma> Er.. "There complete is not there yet" means "The complete file is not there yet".
[10:30] <jetsaredi1> shawarma: yea like 180K
[10:30] <jetsaredi1> I can wait
[10:31] <jetsaredi1> thanks a ton!
[10:31] <shawarma> np
[10:31] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: I'll just ping you when it's done.
[10:31] <jetsaredi1> ok cool
[10:32] <shawarma> I'm not using nearly enough bandwidth on this thing anyway. :-)
[10:32] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:32] <shawarma> greetings
[10:33] <Lutin> hi
[10:33] <jetsaredi1> ok - have to step afk but I'll check back in like 20 min
[10:33] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty
[10:33] <sistpoty> hi shawarma, Lutin and LaserJock
[10:33] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: alright
[10:33] <shawarma> geser: have you ever used fuse for anything?
[10:34] <shawarma> geser: Or are you just uploading it for fun? :)
[10:35] <sistpoty> Lure: congrats and welcome to the team :)
[10:35] <Lure> sistpoty: thank you!
[10:36] <shawarma> Gawd, I hate stuff that you can only get help with on a mailing list. Who are these people who don't live on IRC? What's up with that?
[10:36] <LaserJock> shawarma: hmm, I wonder if they are trying to be productive or something
[10:37] <LaserJock> or maybe they're playing Mao
[10:37] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:37] <shawarma> LaserJock: Oh! Lucky buggers.
[10:37] <shawarma> LaserJock: Speaking of which.. You going to Seville?
[10:37] <shawarma> LaserJock: Have you decided yet?
[10:38] <LaserJock> I haven't gotten an email yet but I'm guessing I'll go at least for part of it
[10:38] <shawarma> Cool.
[10:39] <LaserJock> told my LUG I'd try to score some free CDs so now I'm obligated ;-(
[10:39] <shawarma> I've got a few SoC applications flying around, so maybe that will buy me a sponsorship. :-)
[10:39] <shawarma> LaserJock: Hey, you're a student! You should sign up, too. :-)
[10:40] <LaserJock> hah
[10:40] <LaserJock> I don't think they'd take me
[10:40] <shawarma> Google or Ubuntu? :-P
[10:40] <LaserJock> either ;-)
[10:40] <shawarma> Nah, you have to be > 18 years old.
[10:41] <LaserJock> but I'm not CS or even related
[10:41] <shawarma> LaserJock: Doesn't matter.
[10:41] <crimsun> (remember you can mentor, too.)
[10:41] <stgraber> shawarma: yep, I've also seen that rule :(
[10:41] <LaserJock> there has been some SoC talk on the Blue Obelisk (chemistry FLOSS group) mailing list
[10:42] <crimsun> wow, jordan must be rolling in $ if he can just up and fly to sevilla
[10:42] <LaserJock> it'd be cool to get paid to work on gchemutils
[10:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: hah, hardly
[10:42] <LaserJock> I don't have enough money to fly much of anywhere
[10:42] <LaserJock> or drive for that matter
[10:42] <shawarma> "Computer Science does not need to be your field of study in order to participate in the program."
[10:42] <geser> shawarma: the later, I've seen it fixes a critial bug and tried to get it into feisty
[10:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: I just have to rely on Mark's good graces ;-)
[10:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: lucky for some
[10:43] <LaserJock> shawarma: interesting
[10:43] <shawarma> geser: Ok.
[10:43] <shawarma> LaserJock: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60279&topic=10730
[10:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: based on your statement above, you must be tight with the sabdfl
[10:44] <shawarma> I really should look the URL's I post before hitting return. I dread the day I for some reason have a goatse.cx URL in my pastebuffer and do the quick middle-click+return trick.
[10:45] <shawarma> geser: Ok. I'm working an a fuse file system and it's acting up, so I was hoping to find someone with the magical hints. :-)
[10:46] <geser> shawarma: what problems do you have?
[10:46] <LaserJock> crimsun: not really, no. Had breakfast with him once, that's about it :-)
[10:46] <jdong> shawarma: no goatsex links in here please
[10:46] <jdong> *ugh*
[10:46] <jdong> I knew it didn't look right
[10:46] <jdong> sorry about that.
[10:46] <shawarma> jdong: I'll try my best.
[10:46] <shawarma> jdong: That's the point.
[10:46] <crimsun> well, y'all have fun in sevilla.
[10:46] <jdong> shawarma: I thought this was a different channel... AGAIN
[10:46] <jdong> shawarma: I was wondering why you're in #ubuntuforums
[10:46] <shawarma> geser: Well, it may be behaviour by design... Are other users not supposed to be able to use stuff that I've mounted?
[10:47] <shawarma> jdong: !? what?
[10:47] <shawarma> jdong: It's an imposter!
[10:47] <jdong> lol
[10:47] <shawarma> either that or I've been doing to craaaazy typing.
[10:47] <jdong> shawarma: no, I thought for the 2nd time in 2 days that this room is #ubuntuforums :)
[10:47] <crimsun> /dev/disk/by-uuid/58E475CEE475AEBE on /media/sda1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[10:47] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'd rather have you go :(
[10:48] <jdong> shawarma: I blame it on xchat-gnome HIG.
[10:48] <imbrandon> rello all
[10:48] <imbrandon> err hello
[10:48] <shawarma> imbrandon: Hi!
[10:48] <shawarma> crimsun: Oh!
[10:48] <shawarma> crimsun: Double oh!
[10:48] <ajmitch> jdong: hi imbrandon
[10:48] <crimsun> (that corresponds to this fstab(5):  UUID=58E475CEE475AEBE /media/sda1     ntfs-3g    silent,umask=007,locale=en_US.UTF-8,gid=46 0 )
[10:49] <shawarma> crimsun: I wonder what "allow_other" does....
[10:49] <jdong> imbrandon: hi ajmitch
[10:49] <crimsun> err, ommited the trailing '1'
[10:49] <ajmitch> jdong: yeah ok..
[10:49] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon and ajmitch
[10:49] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty, what's up?
[10:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd think you'd need to be a decent programmer to be a SOC mentor
[10:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: well, I've finally got beer at home again :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> yay! :)
[10:53] <imbrandon> ello sistpoty
[10:55] <illovae> hello
[10:55] <sistpoty> ajmitch: just had an idea today... do you think it might make sense (in case ubuntu-archive allows) to remove kde4 binary stuff before release? that way it would get autobuilt and could easily be taken to another repo, but we wouldn't have to deal with it for SRUs
[10:55] <jdong> sistpoty: apparently soyuz can't remove binaries...
[10:56] <jdong> at least the last time I've asked
[10:56] <sistpoty> jdong: that would be very suboptimal :/
[10:56] <crimsun> sistpoty: that would defeat the purpose of having those snaps, I think
[10:56] <ajmitch> sistpoty: a cheap hack to work around the lack of PPAs?
[10:56] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes
[10:57] <crimsun> at least from what I gather, the most compelling reason to have snaps in the archive is to make binaries available to early testers
[10:57] <sistpoty> crimsun: well, I don't see the purpose to have them in feisty, if they wouldn't get supported after release... but maybe I'm missing on s.th. here
[10:57] <sistpoty> crimsun: we could have new binaries in there for feisty+1?
[10:58] <ajmitch> there may even be actual (alpha/beta) releases by then
[10:58] <ajmitch> sistpoty: the point is, it shouldn't be the MOTUs needing to support them by SRUs
[10:58] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes, fully agreed
[10:59] <crimsun> I suspect binaries of updated snaps would be hosted on kubuntu.org
[11:00] <crimsun> [which would nearly obviate a set being in feisty IMO]
[11:00] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we'd probably just ignore them like we ignore most of the kde stuff in universe anyway :)
[11:00] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:01] <ajmitch> I just don't see much use in having a snapshot in a released distro
[11:02] <sistpoty> maybe we should ask Riddell about that?
[11:02] <ajmitch> I mean, with things like imbrandon's build farm, there's not much of an obstacle to building packages for multiple distros
[11:03] <ajmitch> imbrandon: maybe you could setup stuff like wanna-build on there & be able to upload via ftp & have stuff autobuilt :)
[11:03] <sistpoty> *that* would definitely rock!
[11:03] <LaserJock> or get PPA going
[11:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:04] <ajmitch> which will happen first?
[11:04] <sistpoty> we can make bets ;)
[11:04] <ajmitch> even so, it'd be useful
[11:04] <LaserJock> well, I think PPA will be available for Feisty+1
[11:04] <ajmitch> you could have it autobuild stuff for dapper, edgy
[11:06] <ajmitch> hm
[11:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea thats my project for this week
[11:06] <ajmitch> oh suck, you don't have your boxes setup with LVM
[11:06] <imbrandon> and also have it wanna build against all the arches
[11:06] <ajmitch> that's what I was suggesting
[11:06] <ajmitch> autobuild against all arches
[11:06] <imbrandon> yea
[11:07] <ajmitch> I guess I could do LVM on loopback
[11:07] <imbrandon> i'm actualy sitting about 10 feet from the rack, i have no problems redoing them if wer need to change soem things
[11:07] <imbrandon> or soemthing like that
[11:08] <ajmitch> putting everything on LVM & leaving several GB unallocated would be great
[11:08] <imbrandon> also if you notice the mirror is going to be run of /mirror ( its a single 250gb sata drive i added last weeek ) on aurora
[11:08] <ajmitch> yeah I saw
[11:08] <ajmitch> maybe you could just turn that one into LVM
[11:08] <imbrandon> i havent changed the hostname yet or setup apache yet opn that ip
[11:08] <imbrandon> but i'll do that later today
[11:09] <imbrandon> that way the mirror is on the same box as the build network
[11:09] <sistpoty> damn... seems like I can't apologize with "I don't have access to that arch" now in bugreports any longer *g*
[11:10] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:10] <imbrandon> lol sistpoty
[11:10] <sistpoty> hi TheMuso
[11:11] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[11:12] <imbrandon> lo TheMuso
[11:14] <crimsun> ajmitch: / sistpoty: how do you guys feel about MC sponsoring for Sevilla? =)
[11:15] <ajmitch> crimsun: it'd be great, but what do you think the chances would be?
[11:15] <sistpoty> crimsun: sounds great! however for 99% I won't have time to come :(
[11:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon:<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes (11 GB) copied, 173.315 seconds, 62.0 MB/s
[11:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you need RAID :)
[11:15] <imbrandon> yes very much, i just wanted to get these going then upgrade/implemtn them as we go
[11:16] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:16] <ajmitch> that was in ~ anyway
[11:16] <ajmitch> ajmitch@aurora:~$ sudo pvcreate /dev/loop0
[11:16] <imbrandon> plus aurora only has 2 drives ( and only one when i put it in production )
[11:16] <ajmitch> No program "pvcreate" found for your current version of LVM
[11:16] <ajmitch> bah
[11:16] <ajmitch> sucky thing
[11:17] <shawarma> jetsaredi1: It's done now. Probably has been for a while.
[11:17] <crimsun> sistpoty: / ajmitch: sorry, poor phrasing. I meant MC pooling to sponsor a person (or two)
[11:17] <ajmitch> needed to do /etc/init.d/lvm start
[11:17] <zul_> do do do
[11:18] <imbrandon> crimsun, just the MC or MOTU in general? i'd kick in a few $$ for someone
[11:18] <ajmitch> crimsun: depends on who's able to pony up some cash, so to speak :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have a MOTU pool
[11:19] <zul> ask canonical to put some money in
[11:20] <LaserJock> maybe System76 would be interested too
[11:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: I think MOTU sponsoring other MOTU would be fantastic
[11:20] <shawarma> LaserJock: What's that?
[11:20] <zul> then I could go to the carribean again
[11:20] <imbrandon> yea i dont think i can sponsor a whole persons trip but i could add a few $$ to the pool, yea we need to lookinto this
[11:21] <imbrandon> sounds like a great idea
[11:21] <trycyt> Hello.
[11:21] <trycyt> Hmm, I'm making a Debian package out of something that demands a user create a symlink to something.
[11:22] <trycyt> Here's the problem: if the package is to be generic, then it has to force dependencies of two packages.
[11:22] <trycyt> However, only one of them can be used.
[11:22] <trycyt> (Think like having two DM / WMs on the same TTY is impossible, but you can have GNOME or KDE for example by themselves)
[11:22] <trycyt> How can I make a package that tells the user to select at apt-get time?
[11:22] <trycyt> So let's say I apt-get install mypackage
[11:22] <trycyt> I need them to choose to which program they want a symlink.
[11:22] <trycyt> Where, when, and how should I do that?
[11:24] <jetsaredi1> shawarma: downloading - thanks
[11:24] <jetsaredi1> looks like ~ 1 hr
[11:24] <trycyt> Does anyone see a viable solution to my problem?
[11:26] <shawarma> trycyt: Are you familiar with the alternatives system?
[11:27] <trycyt> shawarma: Ah, only as a user though.
[11:27] <trycyt> I have used update-alternatives.
[11:28] <shawarma> trycyt: Right. That's probably what you want.
[11:28] <trycyt> Hmm, I'll look up on how to integrate that into a Debian package though.
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: There are plenty of examples out there already. gdm/kdm for instance.
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: Or nano/emacs/vim-tiny/vim/nvi
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: Xfree86/Xorg
[11:29] <trycyt> shawarma: I will definitely look it all up. Thanks for the suggestion :)
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: You can take a peek at those for hints.
[11:29] <shawarma> trycyt: No problem.
[11:33] <sistpoty> crimsun: sorry, was afk right now... sounds like an excellent idea
[11:33] <trycyt> shawarma: In your opinion, which Debian package is of the highest quality that a newbie package maintainer would be able to use a reference?
[11:34] <shawarma> trycyt: I'd take one of the small editors (joe, nano or whatever). Those a probably the least scary and still do what they should.
[11:34] <ajmitch> crimsun: of course you have the fun problem of choosing someone to sponsor
[11:34] <trycyt> shawarma: Well, they'd also have to incorporate this update-alternatives deal we were talking about.
[11:35] <shawarma> trycyt: They do.
[11:35] <shawarma> trycyt: That's the point. :-)
[11:36] <shawarma> trycyt: /usr/bin/editor points to an editor that is chosen by update-alternatives
[11:37] <shawarma> Does anyone here have a relatively standard install of Ubuntu? COuld you check the permissions on /, please?
[11:37] <trycyt> shawarma: Oh yeah... hehe. Thanks again.
[11:37] <shawarma> trycyt: np
[11:37] <trycyt> shawarma: Sure, give me a second on the permissions deal.
[11:37] <shawarma> trycyt: cool
[11:38] <shawarma> trycyt: Just the output from 'ls -ld /' will do fine.
[11:38] <sistpoty> shawarma: drwxr-xr-x 22 root root
[11:38] <shawarma> sistpoty: Oh, really?
[11:39] <shawarma> sistpoty: I wonder why mine's 775..
[11:39] <sistpoty> shawarma: howeve that's IIRC a late edgy install
[11:39] <sistpoty> (dist-upgraded to feisty)
[11:39] <shawarma> sistpoty: That's fine.
[11:39] <norsetto> quick question ....
[11:41] <norsetto> I made a couple of patches for some LP bugs lately. For them to be processed, should I just assign them to ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[11:42] <sistpoty> norsetto: iirc subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors (rather assigning the bugs to them)
[11:42] <lionel> norsetto: not assigned, subscribe UUS
[11:42] <norsetto> I see ... thanks!
[11:43] <norsetto> now gotta go change these assignments.....
[11:54] <norsetto> btw, do you ever sleep stefan?
[11:56] <jdong> he does the half-brain-sleep thing
[11:56] <jdong> kinda like me, but like Ubuntu I can't figure out how to come out of it.
[11:57] <sistpoty> norsetto: which stefan do you mean?
[11:58] <jdong> the one who accounts for 50% of channel traffic the past 15 minutes :)
[11:58] <norsetto> the very one :)
[11:58] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:00] <TheMuso> Stefan is not the one you should be asking about sleep.
[12:01] <TheMuso> That honour I think goes to crimsun, aka Daniel Chen
[12:01] <ajmitch> back later
[12:01] <sistpoty> later ajmitch
[12:01] <sistpoty> TheMuso: definitely!
[12:01] <jdong> TheMuso: ironically, a kernel guy :)
[12:02] <jdong> but meh, his work is quite... sound.
[12:02] <TheMuso> jdong: No argument from me there.
[12:07] <harpreet> Hi Stefan - I am Sun, we had uploaded GlassFish application server on feb 22nd. We got lot of feedback from Daniel Holbach. We made quite a number of changes and wish to upload a set of packages up.
[12:07] <harpreet> I meant I am from Sun Microsystems :-)
[12:08] <harpreet> I had a brief conversation with you last time when we uploaded.
[12:08] <sistpoty> hi harpreet
[12:08] <harpreet> hi
[12:08] <sistpoty> harpreet: does revu make trouble again?
[12:09] <harpreet> No - I just wanted to let you know before I upload so that we dont catch you with surprise like last time :-)
[12:09] <sistpoty> harpreet: hehe
[12:09] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:09] <harpreet> :-)
[12:11] <harpreet> I just had 1 question - we do not sign the packages during debuild. We used gpg to sign the .changes files in a separate step.


[00:03] <Seeker`> !compiz
[00:03] <Seeker`> !compiz =~ s/#compiz-fusion/#compiz/
[00:29] <LjL> fun.
[00:29] <Seeker`> yup
[00:31] <LjL> gnnnn with sebsebseb having to have the last word
[00:31] <Seeker`> mathyboy is a troll i think
[00:31] <LjL> meagrees
[00:39] <LjL> i got a PM from qubits, fwiw
[00:39] <Seeker`> what did it say?
[00:39] <LjL> asked me how i am, and whether i'm a chanop.
[01:00] <Flannel> He's also advertising another IRC channel
[01:00] <Flannel> er, network
[01:01] <Flannel> well, was.
[01:47] <Flannel> Howdy Ampelbein, how can we help you today?
[01:47] <Ampelbein> hello again. i think nuku-nuku in #ubuntu-motu is a bot.
[01:49] <Ampelbein> Flannel: i think we don't need two bots in one channel and considering that nuku-nuku seems not to be an "official" one, it should be removed
[01:49] <Ampelbein> Flannel: or should i go to #ubuntu-bots for that?
[01:50] <Flannel> Ampelbein: No, this would be an appropriate place.  I just don't have access to -motu
[01:50] <LjL> i muted it.
[01:50] <Ampelbein> Ljl, Flannel thanks for the fast reaction.
[01:51] <Ampelbein> bye then.
[01:52] <Flannel> I don't see who it belongs to
[01:53] <LjL> no idea here either. i went for a mute in case it's benign.
[01:54]  * Pici is asking in -women, as it seems to be there too
[01:55] <LjL> Pici: i should have guessed from the realname
[02:08] <elky> LjL, you still have access in -motu?
[02:08] <elky> so you do...
[02:08] <LjL> elky: yes i have access by nickname
[02:13] <Pici> elky: you're on early...
[02:13] <elky> Pici, wagged work since i had a plumber coming to fix a toilet.
[02:13] <Pici> elky: is its birthday?
[02:13] <elky> heh
[02:21] <elky> ban evading again.
[02:21] <LjL> fyi, "l0wrd" expressed the intention to ban evade after ctcp versioning the channel
[02:23] <elky> vertix, are you going to speak comprehensibly today?
[02:23] <vertix> for what?
[02:23] <vertix> :--}
[02:24] <elky> you know why
[02:24] <vertix> can you tell me why ikonia is following me around and joining all  the channels I join?
[02:24] <elky> vertix, he's always been in those channels.
[02:24] <vertix> what seems to be his concern since I started speaking about this rootkit thing?
[02:24] <vertix> nope
[02:24] <vertix> and I know that for fact
[02:25] <vertix> cause I did some testing :--(
[02:25] <elky> we already know you're a liar.
[02:25] <vertix> :0
[02:25] <vertix> HOW do you know?
[02:25] <elky> since we were not born yesterday.
[02:25] <vertix> so far, I know YOU are liars
[02:25] <vertix> impressive
[02:26] <vertix> so, what's is happening in the lands of "power"?
[02:26] <LjL> got any on-topic questions?
[02:26] <vertix> :-
[02:26] <elky> LjL, i doubt it.
[02:26] <vertix> what would you like to discuss?
[02:26] <vertix> -:
[02:27] <vertix> may be Osho?
[02:27] <Pici> Excuse me?
[02:27] <vertix> I see
[02:27] <vertix> not surprising
[02:27] <elky> this is not a chat channel.
[02:27] <vertix> well, then tell me the results of that investigation of yours on that totally phony ban
[02:28] <vertix> you know what you did?
[02:28] <vertix> you prevented discussion of the most lethal rootkit to date
[02:28] <vertix> and in these couple of days it spread to tens if not hundreds of thousands of machines
[02:29] <elky> vertix, irregardless of the reason for the original ban, your behaviour network-wide is the reason it's not lifted.
[02:29] <vertix> and I spoke to some av scanner teams
[02:29] <vertix> network-wide?
[02:29] <vertix> who told you that?
[02:29] <elky> i did.
[02:29] <vertix> and what kinda behavior are you talking about?
[02:30] <vertix> I am kinda curious
[02:30] <elky> vertix, the defamation behaviour against both us and redhat and whoever else you find convenient.
[02:30] <vertix> what?
[02:30] <vertix> REDHAT?
[02:30] <vertix> DEFAMATION?
[02:30] <vertix> like what?
[02:30] <elky> well, in one channel you accuse us of infecting you, in another channel you accuse redhat of infecting you. one of those has to be a lie.
[02:30] <vertix> seems to be it is just the other way around
[02:31] <vertix> what?
[02:31] <vertix> in which channel and when did I accuse you of infecting me?
[02:31] <vertix> who concocted this lie?
[02:31] <vertix> ikonia? that spy?
[02:31] <vertix> I accuse of REDHAT infecting me?
[02:31] <vertix> are you in your clear mind?
[02:32] <vertix> can I see that log?
[02:32] <vertix> actually, THOSE logs?
[02:32] <vertix> what are you concocting here?
[02:33] <vertix> actually, redhat is about the only thing that works with any degree of stability so far
[02:33] <vertix> everything runs like a champ actually
[02:33] <vertix> never had problems with redhat so far
[02:33] <elky> then why accuse them in ##security?
[02:34] <vertix> it is a bit dated, but kernel is kernel, and 2.6 kernel is good enough for a poor guy like me
[02:34] <vertix> don't you think?
[02:34] <vertix> :--}
[02:35] <vertix> so I am just curious what makes you guys concoct all these lies and fabrications?
[02:35] <vertix> btw, with every minute ticking, I estimate there are > 100 infections, at the very least
[02:35] <vertix> and av guys told me there is no way they can detect it
[02:35] <Pici> What does this have to do with #ubuntu again?
[02:35] <vertix> they'd have to write a driver
[02:36] <vertix> well, you prevented the timely informing of a very large number of potential victims
[02:36] <vertix> and for no reason at all
[02:36] <vertix> strange, isn't it?
[02:36] <vertix> and there was not a single reason for the initial ban
[02:36] <vertix> none
[02:36] <vertix> you understand?
[02:36] <Pici> #ubuntu is a support channel, its not a place to make announcements.
[02:37] <vertix> tell me about it
[02:37] <vertix> I know what kind of "support" you provide
[03:05] <stew> elky: hi
[03:05] <elky> stew, hi, can we please have an end to the harrassment and slander from vertix please.
[03:07] <stew> elky: yeah, i was going to try to mediate with him. though he says he is uninterested
[03:07] <elky> he's also into ban evasion
[03:07] <stew> elky: can you give me a very brief rundown of what has happened
[03:08] <stew> he's currently banned in #ubuntu and here, is that correct?
[03:09] <elky> stew, he ruined his menu.lst file, and was ranting in #ubuntu and not listening to advice, so he was banned. since then he's launched a network-wide mission to convince the network that we here in #ubuntu-ops have given him an undetectable and lethal rootkit. he's also accused others of this. this is why he's banned here -- because it's just a cyclical discussion on the conspiracy we have against him.
[03:09] <stew> ok
[03:10] <stew> how did he evade?  did he change nick? use a proxy?  different ip?
[03:10] <elky> stew, dynamic ip it seems
[03:10] <stew> ok
[03:16]  * genii sips and ponders Osho
[03:35] <stew> elky: he's made it very clear to me that he has no intention of considering trying to resolve this short of an immediate complete change of all ops in #ubuntu
[03:35] <stew> elky: I've made it clear to him that he is not to enter ubuntu related channels unless he chanes his mind
[03:35] <stew> elky: he no longer has a reason to be here if you want to remove him
[03:35] <elky> stew, what about the spreading of malicious defamation about us. he needs to stop that too
[03:36] <stew> elky: let me know specifically what he is doing
[03:36] <stew> and where
[03:36] <stew> I'll try to keep an eye on it
[03:37] <elky> he was doing it in ##security at least.
[03:37] <stew> and please let me know immediately if he shows up in any ubuntu related channels
[03:37] <elky> he's in #ubuntu-kernel
[03:39] <stew> is he unwelcome there?
[03:40] <elky> he was pulling the same crap there by what i'm told
[03:40] <elky> and it does count as 'any ubuntu related channel'
[03:42] <genii> tsimpson, Riddell, other Kubuntu folks... kubuntuforums.net seems to have been down for a quite a while now. Does anyone know if this is regular downtime or possibly something else?
[03:48] <durock> hi
[03:48] <durock> i neeed support
[03:48] <durock> theres someone who can help me?
[03:50] <genii> durock: This is not the support channel, but rather #ubuntu-ops . Did you try to enter #ubuntu channel ?
[03:50] <durock> thanks ill try
[03:54] <genii> durock: Please do not remain in this channel
 he's also into ban evasion
[04:31] <stew> i'm having trouble finding a ban he evaded
[04:31] <stew> does someone have a specific example?
[05:18] <Flannel> stew: I'm not sure if there's others, but joining here 3 hours ago was.
[05:18]  * Flannel hasn't looked.
[05:18] <stew> ok, i'll see if i can find that
[05:18] <stew> Flannel: as vertix?
[05:19] <Flannel> stew: Indeed.  Elky removed two bans (Well, a ban and a mute) 30 minutes ago, the ban there was one he was evading.
[05:19] <stew> oh, joining HERE
[05:19] <Flannel> well, it was a ban set up, and he joined anyway.
[05:20] <Flannel> I'm not sure I'd personally call it evasion
[05:20] <stew> ok
[05:20] <Flannel> stew: like I said, I'm not sure re: others.
[05:20] <Flannel> I just used the powers of lastlog ;)
[05:31] <genii> According to the logs his IP seemed to rotate on what you might expect of a dhcp connection...like once a day or so
[05:32] <mneptok> jussi01: http://woa2.com/hedgehog-with-big-ears/
[05:32] <genii> May14 seemed only single day he had different numbers
[05:32] <genii> mneptok: Wow, that thing is tiny
[05:35] <mneptok> if i had a nickel ...
[05:35] <genii> Hehe
[05:58] <elky> Flannel, i call it evasion when a ban is placed and the user is informed they are banned for X time and they return before that time without leaving if it's really accidental.
[05:59] <elky> stew, he also has a nick ban in #u. usually that requires evasion.
[06:17] <Myrtti> does anyone speak spanish better than I do? someone needs to tell artistx and songer that they're about to be kicked
[06:21] <Myrtti> ok, thanks
[06:21] <genii> Myrtti: Feel free. The "English only in #ubuntu Spanish in #ubuntu-es"    translation of babelfish obviously didn't impact
[06:21] <Myrtti> genii: which is why I didn't even try it
[06:22] <genii> I do sometimes because they may only be oblivious and not purposely ignorant. But the effect varies.
[06:25] <genii> Myrtti: Hehe... I'm pretty sure "pinches mamones" isn't complimentary
[06:25] <Myrtti> that's the thing, I don't speak a word of spanish
[06:26] <Myrtti> I only go by the tone of the words
[06:28] <genii> Apparently "endejo" translates roughly to "bugger"
[06:28] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/176169/
[06:33] <Myrtti> I wonder, should the bans list be raked again
[06:42] <genii> Well, 1:40AM here. So sleep time for me.
[06:42] <Myrtti> genii: nini dearie
[06:42] <genii> Myrtti: Gnite
[07:03] <mneptok> "endejo" might be shorthand for "pendejo" *shrug*
[07:06] <jussi01> mneptok: yeah, those long eared hedgies a great :D
[07:07] <mneptok> :)
[07:08] <mneptok> FLOOPPY SNUFFLER!!!!!11!!!!!ONE!!!!
[07:51] <Myrtti> I feel like slapping every mibbit user with the default nick to death
[08:08] <ziroday> Hi, someone might want to put an eye on Silverinho in #ubuntu, thanks!
[08:16] <Mamarok> can I ban somebody with a reason and tell him to ask for an unban somewhere?
[08:16] <Myrtti> that's the exact way of doing it
[08:16] <Mamarok> he is flooding the channel with in/out all the time
[08:16] <Mamarok> where would I send him to then ?
[08:17] <Myrtti> /mode +b nick!ident@host!##fix_your_connection
[08:17] <jussi01> Mamarok: we usually forward them to ##fix_your_connection''
[08:17] <jussi01> hehe
[08:17] <Mamarok> jussi01: thanks
[08:17] <jussi01> Mamarok: theres a scripted part to do it
[08:18] <jussi01> /af iirc - look again at the source
[08:18] <Mamarok> jussi01: I know, still have to find my way around...
[08:18] <jussi01> :)
[08:24] <Mamarok> jussi01: do I actually have to give the nick@host address or is nick sufficient?
[08:24] <jussi01> Mamarok: for use with the script?
[08:24] <jussi01> Mamarok: just the nick is fine
[08:24] <Mamarok> yes
[08:24] <Mamarok> ok, thx :)
[08:25] <Myrtti> well Nick!*@*!##Fix_your_connection ;-)
[08:25] <jussi01> Myrtti: she is using auto_bleh
[08:25] <Mamarok> Myrtti: I use a script for irssi
[08:25] <Myrtti> ew
[08:25] <jussi01> Myrtti: shush
[08:25] <Myrtti> I did give it a try years ago
[08:26] <jussi01> Myrtti: it makes things _extra_ easy
[08:26] <Mamarok> Myrtti: it really does :)
[08:26] <Myrtti> jussi01: I dare say I get things as easy with my aliases
[08:26] <jussi01> Myrtti: autobleh is still easier :P
[08:27] <Mamarok> well, I don't have to op myself in the first place
[08:27] <jussi01> Mamarok: I can give you +o in the channel where you got the script from if you want to practice...
[08:27] <Myrtti> me neither!
[08:27] <Myrtti> anyway
[08:27] <Myrtti> whatever floats your boat
[08:27] <jussi01> Myrtti: your aliases are basically a hack of what auto_bleh odes well :P
[08:27] <jussi01> *g*
[08:27] <Myrtti> jussi01: shouldn't you be working
[08:28] <Myrtti> ;-)
[08:28] <jussi01> hehe
[08:37] <Castawayz> ok
[08:37] <jussi01> Hi
[08:37] <Castawayz> explain away at the rationale for removing me jussi01
[08:38] <jussi01> Castawayz: I gave you the botabuse factoid because you said: [10:31:52] <Castawayz> i just like using ubottu dont mind me
[08:38] <Castawayz> i still gave proper information
[08:39] <Castawayz> were you just jonesing to use your all important op power?
[08:39] <jussi01> Castawayz: Im well over the need to do that.
[08:40] <Castawayz> well over the need?
[08:40] <Castawayz> is your name zulu for overreaction
[08:40] <Mamarok> Castawayz: that will not make your case better...
[08:41] <Castawayz> i'm sorry your holiness
[08:41] <Myrtti> that's not helping either
[08:41] <Castawayz> thank you for having an audience with me your majesty
[08:41] <Castawayz> how about we hug it out.
[08:41] <jussi01> Castawayz: I removed you as warning. simple. you are not banned, please just use the bot properly.
[08:42] <Castawayz> getting banned on irc isnt the end of the world
[08:42] <Castawayz> that's why god invented shells and vpns
[08:42] <Myrtti> and you're not banned
[08:42] <Castawayz> genesis 1:1
[08:42] <Myrtti> Castawayz: please leave
[08:42] <Castawayz> In the beginning, there were a bunch of snotty operators. But then God made unix shells  in case they abused their power.  The more you do this, the worst it gets
[12:40] <ikonia> he said that in the channel before he was kicked
[12:40] <elky> yeah
[12:40] <elky> wasnt as exciting as i was expecting
[12:41] <ikonia> he's losing it when he can't be bothered to type new rants, just cut's and pastes 30 seconds old ones
[12:41] <elky> nah trolls are lazy from the get go.
[12:42] <ikonia> he was quite inventive, even to the detail of informing #clamav how he's invested a new virus scanner to scan emtpy files to pick up the root kit
[12:42] <ikonia> he's clearly a blue sky thinker
[12:44] <elky> ##security is typically dead, i take it?
[12:44] <ikonia> yes, but it's normally got good topics when alive
[12:44] <ikonia> eg: dead but when it does speak, it's worthwhile
[13:06] <elky> oh, and he continues...
 the provisions about logs have been made. If anybody makes the wrong move, the whole thing will appear automatically in all sorts of places, and when it does, some heads will roll, after what I have learned with new information. I am trying to approach this very cautiously until I see the whole picture. If I don't see the whole picture, I may make a move, many will regret. So, it is not beneficial for you to play these stoopid games yo
[13:06] <elky> u do to
 and you, specifically, are close to top of the list, remember this real well
[13:07] <elky> christel, can we please have a reprieve from this moron?
[13:07] <christel> same guy as earlier?
[13:08] <christel> he should be gone
[13:09] <elky> not castawayz, no. different lunatic
[13:10] <elky> he messed up his menu.lst and believes it's a rootkit.
[13:10] <elky> that's my understanding anyway.
[13:13] <christel> aah him
[13:13] <christel> you evil hax0r you
[13:15] <ikonia> you can't buy this sort of foolish behviour
[13:16] <ikonia> I personally think the rootkit has pici's mark all over it (vertix reads logs, and should now start blaming pici) - enjoy :)
[13:16] <Pici> <.<
[13:22] <bazhang> I am betting if his ban in #ubuntu is removed all will be fixed. seems like not so veiled threats imo
[13:24] <ikonia> bazhang: I don't think it will, as this was the reason he got the ban
[13:25] <Pici> He doesn't seem to be able to act like a normal person in any of the channels we've seen him in.  If we remove the ban I have a feeling we would be re-applying it quite quickly.
[13:26] <bazhang> surprised he is still allowed in -kernel actually
[13:27] <ikonia> bazhang: he's been warned to not make his noises in there, so if he does he's gone, but he has stopped in there
[13:27] <bazhang> ikonia, he seems to be offline now
[13:27] <ikonia> so he does, but he has been quiet in that channel after he was told to not make noise
[13:36] <ikonia> chanserv lagging
[13:45] <ikonia> someone else can deal with kingkimi now, fed up with the same behaviour from him "I've read everything but can't do it2
[13:45] <ikonia> utter time wating lies
[13:45] <Pici> Let some one else help him then.
[13:45] <ikonia> totally
[13:46] <ikonia> P4R41
[13:47] <ikonia> panarchy
[13:47] <ikonia> I know it sounds nuts
[13:47] <bazhang> nyc?
[13:47] <ikonia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1163031
[13:48] <ikonia> the most obscure question posted on the same os in 24 hours
[13:48] <bazhang> must be him
[13:49] <elky> hmm...
[13:49] <ikonia> now kingkimi is just giving him false info
[13:49] <bazhang> and kingkimi is helping him
[13:49] <ikonia> not sure if I should stop him
[13:49] <bazhang> heh
[13:50] <Myrtti> ikonia: yes, you should
[13:52] <Pici> KingKimi seems to be pretty knowledgable despite not knowing how to read a wiki page
[13:52] <ikonia> Pici: he's offering a false economy though
[13:52] <ikonia> Pici: but you are correct
[13:53] <ikonia> ok - that's %100 panarchy
[13:53] <ikonia> that's his exact setup
[13:53] <ikonia> he must be using a proxy of some sort
[13:54] <elky> i need a new mouse. this one is liking to do double clicks far too much.
[13:54] <ikonia> same client too
[13:55] <ikonia> (although I do appreciate more than one person can use firefox + chatzilla)
[13:56] <elky> ikonia, did you try suggesting the forum post yet? if not, i'll butt in with it
[13:56] <ikonia> no
[13:56] <elky> start the stopwatch
[13:56] <ikonia> is much as it pains me I can't be %100 due to the USA isp
[14:18]  * genii crawls over to the coffeepot
[14:19] <bazhang> starting to doubt that was panarchy, unless he completely changed his speaking style, etc
[14:21] <ikonia> possible
[14:21] <ikonia> the IP does suggest that
[14:21] <ikonia> but the same very rare question within 24 hours and the same setup (keep multiple disk mbrs on seperate drives) is identical to panarchy
[14:21] <ikonia> didn't remove him as wasn't %100 sure
[14:21] <ikonia> despite poor wording on the contrary
[14:21] <bazhang>  the !offline factoid has http://apt.alturl.com/ that in it (only up to intrepid on the site though)
[14:22] <Pici> bazhang: poke ljl about it
[14:22] <bazhang> ljl runs the site apparently
[14:22] <bazhang> Pici, faster typist you
[14:23] <ikonia> impressive how much ljl contributes in terms of tools
[14:23] <bazhang> user in #kubuntu asking about aptoncd said it pulls gnome dependencies
[14:23] <Pici> It is a gtk app iirc
[14:24] <bazhang> wonder if that site could help but not sure as it is just for packages at a time apparently
[14:24] <bazhang> also, is apturl something new
[14:32] <Pici> no
[14:33] <bazhang> just tried it, pretty cool
[14:35] <genii> Work, /away
[14:48] <jussi01> topyli: PING!!!!
[14:48] <jussi01> topyli: I need that fish soup recipe :D
[14:50] <jussi01> fish soup with cheese... nom nom :d
[14:52]  * genii sips
[15:00] <ikonia> bugabundo thinks it's his own chat channel
[15:00] <Pici> I know...
[15:00] <ikonia> getting a bit fed up of it, and his argument
[15:01] <ikonia> that if it's not policed it's ok
[15:01] <ikonia> rather than just respect the topic
[15:04] <bazhang> night all
[15:04] <Pici> goodnight
[15:04] <LjL> i think i've managed to end up in almost the precisely opposite mental timezone as bazhang
[15:05] <Pici> goodmorning
[15:06] <LjL> well i know it's not morning because there can't be 30°C in the morning :<
[15:06] <Pici> ikonia: looks like they found -offtopic finally.
[15:09] <LjL> what did bazhang or whoever he was helping need apt.alturl.com for? not clear from the logs except it might not do what they needed it to
[15:11] <Pici> LjL: I think it was in #k
[15:12] <genii> LjL: The user wanted an offline install alternative
[15:13] <LjL> uhm, the #k logs seem to be missing something. anyway, kind of a weird request
[15:16] <LjL> seems to me the easiest way to do what he wanted, if i understand what he wanted, would be to just dpkg -i en masse
[15:16] <genii> LjL: I'd think so to.
[15:17] <LjL> ah but he goes on to explain why he doesn't want to do that
[15:17] <LjL> yeah my site might help with that, with the help of sed
[15:18] <Pici> Well, your site needed the update regardless of the present use
[15:18] <LjL> Pici: given that my site gets used about once a month (during the good months), i'm interested in its use cases
[15:19] <Pici> hm
[15:23] <elky> http://games.funnygames.nl/lemmings/index.html <-- lemmings in javascript. someone is going to need to ban me from the internet so i can get to bed
[15:24] <LjL> heresy
[15:25] <elky> the buttons are dodgy, but other than that... stupidly well done
[15:25] <LjL> i said heresy
[15:25] <elky> hehehe
[15:26] <LjL> i only play lemmings on my amiga or an amiga emulator, for the PC version of the music makes me cringe.
[15:26] <elky> hehe
[15:26] <elky> well, off to bed
[15:26]  * Pici grabs his head and pops like a lemming
[15:27]  * genii Krazy Glues Pici back together
[15:53] <Pici> taken care of
[15:53] <Pici> LjL: thanks
[15:55] <genii> Work, /away
[16:23]  * ikonia is physically dying after the gym
[16:24] <LjL> ikonia: you are mistaken.
[16:24] <LjL> this isn't hell, it's just IRC.
[16:24] <LjL> an easy mistake to make.
[16:28] <ikonia> I'd welcome hell at this moment, it maybe cooler than my face
[16:29] <LjL> it's probably cooler than here too
[17:35]  * genii prepares more coffee
[17:37] <genii> If someone wanted to start a #k loco channel, who would they approach?
[17:38] <Tm_T> genii: their loco if they have one somewhere, if not, us then?
[17:38] <LjL> the relevant loco
[17:38] <Tm_T> genii: no, not us, -irc (:
[17:39] <LjL> also, if the relevant loco is some tiny one where the main #ubuntu channel is made up by about 12 people, then IMHO they should approach something hot, pointy, electrically charged or otherwise harmful >:
[17:40] <genii> Hm.
[18:00] <ikonia> are loco channels not #u or #k specific
[18:00] <ikonia> just "loco"
[18:03] <Tm_T> ikonia: depends?
[18:04] <Tm_T> ikonia: finnish loco has atleast 5 channels, including ubuntu, kubuntu, devel etc etc
[18:05] <ikonia> really ? what are they
[18:11] <jussi01> ikonia: smaller loco's have oonly #ubuntu-XX
[18:11] <jussi01> where as bigger locos are split
[18:12] <jussi01> #kubuntu-XX #ubuntu-XX etc
[18:13] <ikonia> interesting
[18:13] <jussi01> and -fi is special :P
[18:13] <ikonia> of course
[18:13] <jussi01> also, some locos have -ops (-es for example)
[18:14] <ikonia> yes. I saw that a short while ago
[18:19] <genii> Bleh. Someone's yelling for me every couple minutes here. /away a while
[18:28] <Pici> I dont think an ops call was necessary.
[18:28] <ikonia> nope
[18:28] <ikonia> I'm there now
[18:28] <ikonia> checking I didn't miss anything
[18:28] <Pici> As am I.
[18:29] <ikonia> ok it was
[18:29] <ikonia> c0cksukr
[18:29] <ikonia> scroll up before the name change
[18:29] <Pici> And he changed his name after being requested...
[18:29] <ikonia> yup
[18:30] <ikonia> home time
[18:31] <Pici> Mez: did you speak with him?
[18:31] <Mez> Pici: no... he was spamming a lot to the channel... so I was watching to see if he stopped while silenced
[18:36] <LjL> ikonia: /msg alis list #ubuntu-it*
[18:37]  * genii sips and catches up on scroll
[18:41] <genii> Every little thing today, they call for me "I jammed the paper shredder" "why is my phone making this weird sound" "if I dry it out will the elctronics still work?"  etc
[18:41]  * genii hides
[18:41] <LjL> and is coffee the answer to *all* of those?
[18:41] <genii> LjL: Sadly coffee was the cause of one
[18:41] <LjL> oh.
[18:42] <Pici> genii: Which one?
[18:42] <genii> Pici: The cash register needing to dry out.
[18:42] <genii> I'm sure it's fried though actually
[18:43] <Pici> genii: Where do you do support?
[18:43] <genii> Pici: Remember I have 4 jobs
[18:43] <Pici> genii: I didnt
[18:44] <Flannel> Well, if it wasn't turned on when they dropped the coffee on it...
[18:45] <Flannel> Also, if it didn't already let out magic smoke.  But, just drying out the coffee won't help.  You'll have to wash it off, as I'm sure dehydrated coffee is conductive.
[18:46] <genii> 1) look after office bldg, collect rents, fix things, run elevator   2) volunteer/sometime paid part time admin/support for a co-op ISP (in same bldg) 3) IT on-call for a couple companies in same bldg  4) Supervise a night-time art dropin (which has also a computer lab I look after)  . So the cash register was during 1)
[18:46] <LjL> wait, you mean you aren't *paid* to sip coffee?
[18:46] <genii> Flannel: No smoke but some popping, apparently
[18:46] <Flannel> LjL: that's 5) which he failed to mention: 5) part time performance artist
[18:46] <genii> After it dries out I'll get the multimeter out, pop it open and test crap
[18:47] <genii> LjL: I need al the jobs to pay for my caffeine habit
[18:47] <genii> And my gadget addiction
[18:54] <genii> Flannel: Job 5 is a labour of love, btw
[19:03]  * genii watches LjL go  !best crazy
[19:44] <Seeker`> hi Mamarok
[19:55] <Mamarok> hi Seeker`
[19:55] <Mamarok> sry, still drowned in work
[19:57] <Seeker`> tis ok :)
[20:47] <Seeker`> I HATE putty
[20:47] <Seeker`> and RSI
[20:48] <Seeker`> fumbling for the mouse with the wrong hand + right click + putty + text in clipboard to be translated to see what it means
[20:48] <ikonia> ha
[20:59] <Pici> :( I like putty
[20:59] <ikonia> it's a great app, but my cut and paste borks too
[21:30] <Tm_T> change settings then?
[21:30] <Myrtti> hellllooooo
[21:31] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hi hi
[21:31]  * Myrtti is happily tipsy
[21:32] <Seeker`> hi Myrtti
[21:33] <Tm_T> Myrtti: then be happy for both of us (;)
[21:40] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I bloody well am!
[21:45] <guntbert> HI, I propose to detach the factoid !mount from !partitions and replace it with "mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html"
[21:47] <Seeker`> !mount
[21:47] <Seeker`> !partitions
[21:48] <LjL> don't we have something on help.u.c about mounting rather than tuxfiles?
[21:49] <guntbert> LjL:  I didn't check, but will :-)
[21:50] <LjL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount doesn't look too bad at a cursory glance
[21:51] <guntbert> LjL: I propose to detach the factoid !mount from !partitions and replace it with "mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount"
[22:07]  * Myrtti just bought flights back to UK
[22:07] <Myrtti> ♥
[22:08] <Seeker`> Myrtti: yay!
[22:08] <Seeker`> Myrtti: when?
[22:08] <guntbert> is there any input expected from me?
[22:09] <Myrtti> 14th
[22:09] <LjL> guntbert: no, you're just being ignored because no one apparently wants to fiddle with factoids at the moment :)
[22:10] <Myrtti> I can happily say I'm too drunk to think about any bloody factoids :-D
[22:10] <Myrtti> having said that, off to kitchen to microwave something nommy
[22:10] <Tm_T> Myrtti: shame on you
[22:11] <guntbert> LjL: its not *that* urgent anyway :-) so I'll be off - nice journey to Myrtti
[22:11] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I really *am* ashamed
[22:11] <Seeker`> Myrtti: june?
[22:11] <Seeker`> !partitions is <reply> For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap
[22:12] <Seeker`> !partitions
[22:12] <Seeker`> !-mount
[22:12] <Seeker`> !disks
[22:12] <LjL> so since -ot is no help as usual, and there's probably a larger percentage of travelers here to begin with. what would be a decent site to scrape airline sites for cheapest tickets for europe flights?
[22:12] <LjL> !-disks
[22:12] <Myrtti> Seeker`: yeah
[22:12] <LjL> (how come virtually every factoid in the world seems to have been added by me)
[22:13] <Seeker`> !mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[22:13] <Seeker`> ubottu: no, mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[22:13] <Seeker`> !mount
[22:13] <Seeker`> better?
[22:59] <LjL> !ufw
[22:59] <LjL> !firewall
[22:59] <LjL> +1
[23:00] <Myrtti> !ufw is <reply> foo
[23:00] <Myrtti> !no ufw is <alias> firewall


[23:51] <sadmin> mcphail: True. Same day patching will be part of our policy, but not something used often hopefully :D
[23:52] <Antonius32> hi
[23:54] <xyz__> installed ubuntu mini.iso and xfce...when logging into xfce i get the following error
[23:54] <xyz__> "Unable to load a failsafe session Unable to determine failsafe session name. Possible causes xconfd isn't running (D-Bus setup problem); environment variable $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set incorrectly (must include "/etc") or xfce4-session is installed incorrectly.
[23:55] <bekks> xyz__: how did you install xfce?
[23:56] <Bashing-om> xyz__: ^^ did you also install "xorg" ?
[23:57] <xyz__> bekks: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[23:57] <bekks> xyz__: try installing xubuntu-desktop
[23:57] <xyz__> Bashing-om: xorg was installed
[23:57] <xyz__> i3wm works when i log in..
[23:58] <k1l> xyz__: how you start that desktops?
[23:58] <Kingsqueak> xyz__: you log out to the desktop manager and log back in that way?
[23:58] <Kingsqueak> or you just try 'startx' or similar?
[23:59] <oooo> Startx? More like destroyyoursystemx
[23:59] <xyz__> startx gives me same error
[23:59] <oooo> amirite
[23:59] <k1l> oooo: yes for ubuntu.
[23:59] <xyz__> have installed xfce-desktop...brb...rebooting
[23:59] <k1l> xyz__: using a displaymanager? lightdm?