[00:20] <snwh> jbicha, where should I perform a merge request for high contrast icons? :)
[00:26] <jbicha> snwh: thanks for working on that! generally you'll want to file the patch or merge proposal against the app's upstream
[00:27] <jbicha> I think it would need some manual tweaking of the Makefiles though
[00:28] <jbicha> if you don't know how to do that, the upstream developers could probably do it for you
[00:30] <snwh> so not with gnome-themes-standard then?
[00:31]  * snwh was hoping for one fix-all instead of a bunch of MRs ;)
[00:34] <jbicha> snwh: sorry to disappoint but I believe all those icons are app-specific
[00:40] <snwh> jbicha, simply adding all of them to the HighContrast theme will override the default ones, as you can see: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7027392/hicontrast.png
[00:41] <jbicha> yes but that's a hack ;) almost all of those apps are Ubuntu-specific so you're not going to get the gnome-themes-standard maintainer to include unnecessary icons
[00:42] <jbicha> that is the current directory though; it just needs to be the app packaging to put the icon there
[00:43] <snwh> of course. *facepalm
[00:43] <jbicha> the keyboard icon is bug 862027 and I believe we're currently blocked on the new indicator-keyboard landing to revert that icon back to the GNOME default
[00:46] <snwh> hence the red circle
[00:46] <jbicha> yeah, it's annoyed me for a while but I think it can finally be fixed for Saucy
[00:48] <jbicha> the ubuntu-mono themes are a bit of a hack and could probably go away if bug 903819 were ever fixed
[00:48] <snwh> I wish they did
[01:20] <snwh> i think the best course of action would be to patch gnome-theme-standard specifically for ubuntu
[01:20] <snwh> unfortunately
[01:35] <jbicha> no I definitely disagree with that
[01:37] <snwh> isn't there the risk of conflicts since highcontrast isn't set up in a way that hicolor is
[01:37] <jbicha> no, several apps already ship their own icons there
[01:37] <jbicha> dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/HighContrast/
[01:38] <snwh> all I get are gnome apps ;)
[01:38] <jbicha> the only requirement is that 2 apps don't try to ship an icon there with the exact same name, but that's no different than two apps trying to ship the same file in /usr/bin/
[01:38] <snwh> true
[01:39] <snwh> so it's just getting all the upstream projects to bundle a high contrast app
[01:39] <snwh> icon*
[01:40] <jbicha> yes https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/HighContrastAppIcons
[01:42] <snwh> I have 7 sets at the moment
[01:42] <snwh> 8*
[01:44] <snwh> the thing is that some of them are icon theme specific
[01:44] <snwh> like usb-creator-gtk
[01:45] <snwh> which doesn't have a hicolor icon
[01:45] <snwh> nevermind i found it
[02:24] <aamer> what is Libav codec library?
[02:24] <aamer> I mean is it OK to remove them for the sake of installing ubuntu restricted extras?
[02:26] <aamer> nvm I'm reading this http://askubuntu.com/questions/153884/why-does-ubuntu-restricted-extras-want-to-remove-some-libav-packages but I just wanted to know when did i get libav in the first place and what are the programs that will be affected
[02:27] <aamer> now i remember where did i see these (in the vlc player settings)
[02:34] <aamer> OK room so there is Adobe Flash Player plugin version 11 (which is unchecked by default) and Adobe Flash plugin (checked and installed) anybody knows the difference between them?
[02:39] <bjsnider> libav is what ffmpeg used to be
[02:39] <bjsnider> it is a fork and was renamed
[02:39] <aamer> how did it get installed? does it come with ubuntu by default bjsnider ?
[02:39] <bjsnider> most of the ffmpeg devs including the one who maintina sit in debian/ubuntu, split with the ffmpeg founder over years of bullying and whatnot
[02:40] <bjsnider> yes it comes by default
[02:40] <bjsnider> libav is the heart of the debian/ubuntu multimedia system
[02:40] <bjsnider> without it, youcan forget about using gstreamer, vlc, mplayer etc.
[02:40] <aamer> and vlc has its own I've heard
[02:41] <aamer> I don't mean its own developed codecs
[02:41] <bjsnider> vlc in debian/ubuntu is built against external libav
[02:41] <bjsnider> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/vlc
[02:41] <bjsnider> see, it pulls all of it in, but you have it anyway
[02:42] <aamer> I'm asking because I was testing fedora 18 and it says there's a missing plugin of gstreamer, then I read they recommend using vlc for now, as it comes with its own libraries...
[02:43] <bjsnider> well, they may be building it differently
[02:43] <bjsnider> it _can_ be built with internal ffmpeg/libav
[02:43] <aamer> until they resolve the problem of transition between gstreamer and gstreamer-1 if I'm not wrong
[02:43] <bjsnider> but siretart doesn't do it that way
[02:43] <aamer> siretart?
[02:44] <bjsnider> siretart is the debian maintainer or libav, and a core developer on the project
[02:44] <bjsnider> reinhard tartler
[02:44] <bjsnider> he makes the decisions and does a lot of the packaging work
[02:45] <aamer> :)
[02:46] <bjsnider> he was one of the ones who broke away from michael niedermayer, who is the founder of ffmpeg
[02:46] <aamer> you sound seasoned :D
[02:47] <bjsnider> i'm on the debian-multimedia team
[02:47] <aamer> well, nice to meet u, I'm just a noob :D
[02:47] <bjsnider> i'm certainly not in siretart's league though
[02:48] <bjsnider> i originally packaged sushi -- and named it, since sushi wasn't available -- for debian/ubuntu, with jbicha's help
[02:49] <bjsnider> anyway, i don't care about fedora, but as far as ubuntu is concerned, you should definitely have some of the libav shared libs installed
[02:49] <bjsnider> libavcodec no question
[02:50] <aamer> I just installed the restricted pack
[02:51] <aamer> my only problem here in ubuntu is the system locale
[02:52] <bjsnider> the difference in name between the two versions is the word -extra
[02:52] <bjsnider> so the unrestricted version is called libavcodec53 and the unrestricted lib is called libavcodec-extra-53
[02:53] <aamer> yes I've just read that
[02:53] <aamer> I remember getting some help from jbicha a couple of days ago
[02:53] <aamer> but I'm wondering
[02:53] <bjsnider> that goes for avutil, avformat, avdevice, avfilter too
[02:53] <bjsnider> postproc
[02:54] <bjsnider> swscale
[02:54] <aamer> this room got only a little number of ppl comparing to the many who are using ubuntu! howcome?
[02:56] <bjsnider> at leat there's not a lot of chatter
[03:01] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: We're rather fledgling, if you didn't notice... we don't even have an Ubuntu GNOME charm yet.
[03:01] <SonikkuAmerica> (and I'm NOT talking a Juju charm :P)
[03:03] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica :)
[03:04] <aamer> but ubuntu is not that new now
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm thinking a light blue circle with a black GNOME foot
[03:04] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica btw I HATE the new GNOME
[03:04] <aamer> and I know I'm not the only one
[03:05] <aamer> there are thousands like me right?
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Apparently Linus Torvalds doesn't agree with you anymore..
[03:05] <aamer> anymore?
[03:06] <aamer> u mean he used to agree with me before?
[03:07] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Yeah... but he switched back to GNOME 3
[03:07] <aamer> can u believe I just realized I'm talking here?  We didn't do a thing; we're not the GNOME main devs.
[03:11] <aamer> this made many ppl switch to xfde
[03:11] <aamer> yeah I mean them
[03:11] <SonikkuAmerica> You mean XFCE, right?
[03:11] <aamer> xfce right
[03:11] <aamer> what did I say
[03:12] <aamer> Oh
[03:12] <aamer> :)
[03:12] <aamer> soooooooooo... what do you think?
[03:13] <aamer> I mean really don't you agree with me? that the GNOME classic should be back?
[03:13] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Well,... there's MATE for that now.
[03:13] <aamer> NO NO NO NO NO NO
[03:13] <aamer> NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:13] <aamer> NO mint!
[03:14] <aamer> just ubuntu
[03:14] <SonikkuAmerica> MATE != Mint
[03:14] <aamer> mint is a disaster! not only MATE, Cinammon too
[03:14] <aamer> the whole mint is a mess
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Have you tried B.L.U.E. R.A.S.P.B.E.R.R.Y. S.W.I.R.L.?
[03:15] <aamer> I tried it for a couple of weeks and it's all messed up and there's no way I can go back to using it!
[03:15] <aamer> no
[03:15] <aamer> I tried fedora and didn't like it
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: It's a flavor that doesn't exist.
[03:16] <aamer> tried mageia and can't judge it yet
[03:16] <aamer> lol
[03:16] <aamer> no I've heard about it?!
[03:16] <aamer> what r u talking about
[03:16] <aamer> raspberry
[03:16] <aamer> but not swirl?
 aamer: Have you tried B.L.U.E. R.A.S.P.B.E.R.R.Y. S.W.I.R.L.?
[03:17] <SonikkuAmerica> 'Twas a joke.
[03:18] <aamer> :D
[03:18] <aamer> seriously, I tried lmde
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> "You didn't like Mint? Try the Swirl!"
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh forget LMDE. It's worse off than the Ubuntu edition.
[03:19] <aamer> :)
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> I did Mint with Cinnamon... those 4 hours were the worst of my life.
[03:20] <aamer> I mean I don't like to talk behind people, but I didn't like the design of mint, at all, and the design usually tells a lot about how a distro is being managed... etc.
[03:20] <aamer> see? so you agree with me
[03:21] <aamer> r u kidding this time too? lol
[03:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope. I do agree with you on that.
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I like GNOME and XFCE mainly. I'm also beginning to get accustomed to LXDE and Fluxbox
[03:22] <aamer> I mean really... ppl say cinammon's menu is amazing, personally I think it can't even be compared to ubuntu's dash
[03:23] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica what about the new KDE?
[03:23] <aamer> sometimes I think it's the best
[03:23] <SonikkuAmerica> What new KDE? 4.10?
[03:23] <aamer> but I just hate their logo I can't even look at it lol
[03:23] <aamer> thats why I don't use KDE :D
[03:23] <aamer> 4.10 or 4.20 whatever you want, both are gr8
[03:24] <SonikkuAmerica> *4.10.1, 4.10.2
[03:24] <SonikkuAmerica> <3 Homerun, reminds me of the Unity dash without the DRM
[03:24] <aamer> I've heard there's 4.20 recently?
[03:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Uhhh... nope
[03:25] <aamer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE
[03:25] <aamer> KDE is better than windows
[03:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Heck, put KDE on Windows
[03:26] <aamer> KDE on Windows
[03:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[03:27] <aamer> why there's no Direct 3D in linux
[03:27] <aamer> or something equivalent
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> http://windows.kde.org/
[03:27] <aamer> better than OpenGL
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: DirectX is closed-source proprietary $tuff
[03:27] <aamer> yes I know
[03:27] <aamer> they can write something similar
[03:28] <aamer> I know it's not easy
[03:28] <bjsnider> there was no demand for it back in the day
[03:28] <aamer> anywayz
[03:28] <SonikkuAmerica> How 'bout OpenDX?
[03:28] <bjsnider> directx is maybe the best thing microsoft ever did
[03:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Juuuuuuuuuuust maybe.
[03:29] <bjsnider> along with powerpoint
[03:29] <aamer> btw how about directfb.org and why isn't it working on my vlc ?
[03:31] <aamer> does anyone know if it performs better or worse than openGL?
[03:31] <bjsnider> linux had tcp-ip long before windows though, so each side has had its strengths and weaknesses
[03:32] <aamer> wake up room
[03:32] <aamer> hehe
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[03:33] <aamer> really what about that directfb.org thingy?
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Couldn't tell ya
[03:33] <aamer> is it good or bad regarding performance and should I bother making it work?
[03:33] <aamer> whyyyyyyy
[03:34] <aamer> come on plzz tell meeee :D
[03:34] <aamer> is there some kinda fight between u too?
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Never used it. OpenGL did everything for me, and faster than DirectX ever did on Windoze
[03:37] <aamer> u know how I test them, beside benchmark stuff, you have to get a full HD vid that was recorded in analogue (in the 90's) and a dual-core machine with some 7 years old card or so, believe it or not, DX is about 2 times faster on the same settings
[03:40] <bjsnider> i doubt there are any situations where opengl drivers are faster than directx drivers
[03:40] <bjsnider> certainly not more stable either
[03:40] <aamer> bjsnider I'm saying dx is faster
[03:40] <aamer> right?
[03:41] <bjsnider> no contest
[03:41] <bjsnider> you've got to understand too, that opengl is just a set of protocols and guidelines
[03:41] <bjsnider> it's not software
[03:42] <bjsnider> it is implemented in various ways and those are good or bad
[03:42] <aamer> as u all know, when u encode a video file that was originally recorded in analogue, there'll be noise in the file and the video frame can take almost twice the size and so require more compression, which means more cpu and/or gpu usage, for example you can check the beginning of the movie (Cube) 1997 in 1080p
[03:43] <aamer> I see..
[03:44] <aamer> so, room, nice chatting u take care please, see u :)
[03:45] <aamer> bjsnider SonikkuAmerica bye bye
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> See ya!
[13:28] <roasted> hello friends
[19:15] <aamer> hello room
[19:15] <aamer> i just can't move my windowsssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[22:17] <Guest55222> hello


[00:10] <slangasek> cjwatson: augh there are multiple click things now?
[00:19] <cjwatson> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/click
[00:19] <cjwatson> The short name of our one was over my protest, as you probably know :P
[00:36] <slangasek> :)
[21:03] <bdmurray> Shouldn't we turn on apport now since its Alpha 2?