[20:10] <vedrit> k1l_: A walkthrough video for installing NVidia drivers, the person ends the process "lightdm" which, as I understand it, is one of the desktop managers. But I didn't install lightdm
[20:10] <k1l_> vedrit: i would not rely my server configuration on a YT video.
[20:11] <k1l_> vedrit: is this a server or is this a desktop?
[20:11] <vedrit> k1l_: Server. I've tried installing the drivers through the Additional Drivers, but it keeps failing
[20:11] <k1l_> why do you need nvidia drivers on a server?
[20:12] <vedrit> Does it hurt anything to have them?
[20:12] <bekks> What do you need them for?
[20:12] <k1l_> in most cases its no needed. so that is why i ask.
[20:12] <k1l_> *not
[20:12] <vedrit> I'm of the "just in case" mindset
[20:13] <bekks> vedrit: Without a graphical environment, you cant even use them.
[20:13] <vedrit> being completely new to Linux and Ubuntu, I want to make sure everything has what it needs
[20:13] <reisio> they actually could come in handy for media processing
[20:13] <reisio> or y'know, bitcoin nonsense
[20:13] <reisio> other not-naturally-done-by-gpu things
[20:13] <vedrit> bekks: I am running a graphical environment
[20:13] <Nach0z> bitcoinz woo
[20:13] <newhite_> I'm glad I'm not the only one brand new to Ubuntu
[20:14] <bekks> vedrit: Well, then why dont you use the 12.04 desktop?
[20:14] <k1l_> vedrit: a desktop just needs resources that are would be free for the server tasks. so most servers dont run a desktop
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> newhite_  we have new enthousiasts every day
[20:14] <reisio> I'd probably be happy with nouveau over hear, but I'm pretty sure the vdpau support for the binary driver is far superior
[20:14] <reisio> over here*
[20:14] <vedrit> I run it with a desktop because I have no idea what in the world I'm doing otherwise
[20:14] <k1l_> vedrit: but if you want to run a desktop (which i dont recommend on a server) then you can install the drivers
[20:14] <newhite_> Monkeydust thanks!
[20:15] <jhutchins> vedrit: learn.
[20:15] <vedrit> jhutchins: sage advice. Thanks. Note the sarcasm
[20:15] <jhutchins> vedrit: Running a GUI on a desktop introduces vulnerabilities, particularly to user error.
[20:15] <newhite_> my first question is when hit ctr + alt + F2, it seems to be a task manger of sorts.  How do you leave that application?
[20:16] <vedrit> yeah, cause there wouldn't be any user error when entering commands that I don't understand
[20:16] <jhutchins> vedrit: It also restricts usage and options to something someone else has thought of for you.
[20:16] <bekks> newhite_: Thats no task manager, but the second virtual termina.
[20:16] <bekks> *terminal
[20:16] <genii> newhite_: ctrl-alt-f7
[20:16] <jhutchins> vedrit: The advantage of entering incorrect commands is that the most likely outcome is nothing.
[20:16] <k1l_> vedrit: everyone started as a beginner. just read about every command you want to activate
[20:17] <newhite_> Thanks, I guess I didn't go far enough down the function keys to find that out myself
[20:17] <vedrit> jhutchins: unless it's about putting things in wrong directories, making them either completely unusable or giving me more work down the road for anything that might require whatever I put in said directory
[20:18] <bekks> vedrit: You can even read about what specific directories are for.
[20:18] <k1l_> vedrit: how do you want to learn how to use a server if you will never use a server?
[20:18] <vedrit> What about stuff that doesn't have a directory
[20:18] <bekks> vedrit: There is no such stuff.
[20:19] <daftykins> then you can learn how no distribution agrees where to put things ¬_¬
[20:19] <vedrit> You're kidding, right? There's a whole slew of services that create their own directory or get placed somewhere
[20:19] <vedrit> Besides, I don't even know how to get rid of the desktop environment at this point
[20:19] <bekks> vedrit: I am not kidding. Everythin is placed in some directory.
[20:20] <vedrit> short of re-installing the whole system which I would really like to avoid, considering how much trouble I had getting it to work
[20:20] <bekks> vedrit: You can just uninstall it, if you like.
[20:20] <vedrit> How?
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> vedrit  in linux, everything is a file, files sit in directories
[20:20] <bekks> vedrit: using apt-get
[20:20] <vedrit> but I don't know what it's called
[20:21] <k1l_> vedrit: then learn about it while you are reading documentation and wiki pages
[20:21] <k1l_> vedrit: again: no one started as a professional. but you need to start learning at some point
[20:21] <jhutchins> vedrit: The problems you list are much more likely if you use a gui to manage the server.
[20:22] <Pudge> vedrit: sudo rm -rf / , then u will have the totally peaceful world
[20:22] <jhutchins> vedrit: Ctrl-Alt-F1 and there you are, a console.  Or open an xterm.  Or ssh to the server.
[20:22] <vedrit> If problems are fixable, then I can deal with it. At least with GUI I can actually -see- what I'm doing
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> Pudge  silly joke, vedrit ignore that
[20:22] <jhutchins> vedrit: You can keep the GUI around as a crutch while you learn, but when you're ready to let go, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[20:22] <k1l_> !danger
[20:23] <jhutchins> k1l_: Really?
[20:23] <zykotick9> Pudge: your remove command is dumb to suggest - but it won't actually work either, the kernel tries to protect / these days.
[20:23] <daftykins> don't forkbomb yourself either :(
[20:23] <vedrit> Thank you jhutchins, that's more like what I would like to know. If ever I want to remove it, gdm is what I need to know
[20:23] <jhutchins> k1l_: Ah, different reference.
[20:23] <orzo88> Hi everyone
[20:23] <bekks> vedrit: gdm is the display manager, not your graphical environment.
[20:23] <jhutchins> k1l_: On which note he seems to have left.  Good riddance.
[20:24] <orzo88> Is anybody else having problems with the new gnome update in 13.4?
[20:24] <k1l_> jhutchins: not talking about your command. but the rm command
[20:24] <jhutchins> k1l_: Saw that.   He's been giving bad advice most of the day.
[20:24] <orzo88> I can see my desktop, but gnome isnt loading anymore
[20:25] <jhutchins> orzo88: Great, you're making progress then!
[20:25] <vedrit> bekks: If gdm is the display manager, then whats the graphical environment?
[20:25] <jhutchins> orzo88: Or was gnome the actual goal?
[20:25] <orzo88> So its a big problem for everyone then?
[20:25] <orzo88> I just did a system update and now gnome wont load at all
[20:25] <jhutchins> orzo88: Sorry, being sarcastic about gnome.  Which release?
[20:26] <bekks> vedrit: Unity, XFCE, KDE, LXDE, Gnome, etc.
[20:26] <bekks> vedrit: And those are not package names.
[20:26] <orzo88> I dont know, im new to Linux, i just used the default system update
[20:26] <orzo88> Whichever is default in 13.4
[20:26] <jhutchins> vedrit: gdm is from gnome, but it can load pretty much any desktop.
[20:27] <vedrit> bekks: Is is possible to find out which environment package I installed, then remove it (At a future date) ?
[20:27] <orzo88> After the system update today I can see the folders on my desktop but no side or top bar
[20:27] <k1l_> vedrit: see in /var/log/apt what you did install
[20:27] <jhutchins> orzo88: So, probably gnome but not the taskbar or the panel.
[20:27] <orzo88> I cant even launch the terminal, is there a keyboard shortcut?
[20:28] <Slugze> ctrl +alt +t
[20:28] <jhutchins> orzo88: Does alt-f2 work in gnome?
[20:28] <bekks> vedrit: Yes.
[20:28] <orzo88> There we go, thanks. I have the terminal now
[20:28] <newhite_> I'm attempting to find the location an application is installed at
[20:28] <newhite_> how do I find it?
[20:28] <jhutchins> vedrit: Harsh as we may have been, I don't suggest you go cold turkey, just make command line literacy your goal.
[20:29] <orzo88> What should I type to see what i just installed in
[20:29] <jhutchins> newhite_: dpkg -L package
[20:29] <orzo88>  The update
[20:29] <vedrit> I mainly want to know how to remove the environment for future knowledge, for when I am ready to go full command line
[20:29] <jhutchins> orzo88: I think you can find a log in /var/log - not sure which one, should be obvious.
[20:29] <newhite_> I updated the repository by adding a deb  file.  Then I used sudo apt-get update
[20:29] <newhite_> ok I'll look in the log
[20:29] <orzo88> What do I type to show that?
[20:30] <orzo88> Sorry, im a total unix scrub
[20:30] <newhite_> jhutchins thanks, I'll try that first
[20:30] <jhutchins> vedrit: If you turn off gdm, and tell it not to start by default, you don't really need to remove it, but ...
[20:30] <jhutchins> !remove gnome
[20:30] <DrDamnit> How do I connect to Ubuntu 12.04.x LTS over ssh with X11 forwarding? I just realized I've been trying to use gnome-session... but 12.04 uses Unity not gnome.
[20:30] <jhutchins> Dang, this is what I get for lurking in multiple channels, I forget which bot knows what.
[20:30] <jhutchins> ubottu: remove gnome?
[20:30] <vedrit> I see install commands for both gdm and ubuntu-desktop. Are they seperate, or is ubuntu-desktop reliant on gdm?
[20:30] <crypticmofo> guys
[20:31] <crypticmofo> how do i get a shell / terminal at the ubuntu installer ?
[20:31] <daftykins> DrDamnit: ssh -X ?
[20:31] <jhutchins> vedrit: SLightly outdated, but generally true:  To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2.  Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
[20:32] <DrDamnit> daftykins: yes. ssh -X works. I log in, and get a prompt. On previous versions of Ubuntu, you just typed gnome-session, and you could get the whole desktop.  Presumably, because it uses Unity instead of gnome.
[20:32] <vedrit> whats the difference between purge and remove?
[20:32] <reisio> crypticmofo: CTRL+ALT+t, probs
[20:32] <crypticmofo> anyone ?
[20:32] <daftykins> DrDamnit: oh, i have no idea why you'd want to do that
[20:32] <reisio> crypticmofo: or hit the ubuntu icon at top left and type 'terminal'
[20:32] <crypticmofo> reisio:  im at the intaller
[20:33] <k1l_> crypticmofo: ctrl-alt-f1 or f2
[20:33] <DrDamnit> daftykins - let's assume I want to. How do I make it work?
[20:33] <daftykins> sorry, no idea
[20:33] <reisio> crypticmofo: ah
[20:33] <k1l_> crypticmofo: come back with f7
[20:33] <xkernel> Rythmbox is not playing some many mp3's
[20:33] <vedrit> Oh, I see
[20:33] <orzo88> Is there any way to roll back the update I just installed?
[20:33] <reisio> crypticmofo: you can probably kill the installer from what k1l_ said as well
[20:33] <racho> how is fglrx support with ATI RV730/M96 [Mobility Radeon HD 4650/5165]? haven't been to ubuntu since 10.10 so i wonder if the prop drivers will work with this?
[20:34] <vedrit> I'd probably purge them
[20:34] <orzo88> It broke my desktop
[20:34] <k1l_> reisio: that depends on what commands you start in that tty.
[20:34] <jhutchins> orzo88: Have you tried restarting?  aptitude -f install?
[20:34] <k1l_> he didnt tell if he is in a live system
[20:34] <orzo88> Ill try that now
[20:35] <MrElg> Hi folks, I have a problem with an installation today regarding the wifi connection. It simply does not detect wifi. I have checked the ip link stats, and the wlan0 is not listed there. It works however in the live session of the installer. Any help is appreciated
[20:35] <orzo88> Aptitude isnt jnstalles
[20:35] <orzo88> Installed*
[20:35] <k1l_> use apt-get instead of aptitude
[20:35] <jhutchins> orzo88: apt-get -f install might work.
[20:35] <reisio> k1l_: hrmm?
[20:36] <k1l_> reisio: switching to a tty doesnt kill the xserver or the installer
[20:36] <orzo88> -f isnt a valid option it says
[20:36] <reisio> no I just meant he could probably kill the process of the installer, manually :)
[20:36] <reisio> if he so desired
[20:36] <k1l_> orzo88: please pastebin the whole output
[20:37] <orzo88> I cant, im on my phone irc client because I cant get to any programs other than whats on my desktop and the terminal
[20:37] <subterfuge> GoogleFu has failed me (combined with lack of knowledge in this area)  After running updates sometimes my system reboots to a command line.  I run 'startx' which normally fires up without loading gnome-panel (and who knows what else)  I then  just Ctrl+Alt+T for a terminal and 'sudo reboot' which normally fixed it...  This time that doesn't I even loaded gnome-panel and used the GUI to reboot and shutdown.  --- What's
[20:37] <subterfuge> the fix?
[20:37] <Slugze> how can open multiple terminal using bash ( like xterm -hold -e ssh admin@remote "tail -f /var/log/file") but for multiple host?
[20:38] <orzo88> And I managed to insatll that -f thing, now what?
[20:38] <strap> hi, can someone help me with efibootmgr? it's not creating any boot sources.
[20:38] <k1l_> subterfuge: dont use startx. start the dm like sudo lightdm start/stop/restart
[20:38] <jhutchins> subterfuge: Meet orzo88. He has the same problem.
[20:38] <reisio> Slugze: clusterssh
[20:38] <orzo88> L
[20:38] <Jordan_U> !details | strap
[20:38] <subterfuge> k1l thanks
[20:39] <orzo88> All this happened after the normal update today
[20:39] <jhutchins> orzo88: restart.
[20:39] <orzo88> Alright, i am now
[20:39] <subterfuge> jhutchins: where is he with it?
[20:39] <k1l_> subterfuge: take a look into the logs in /home/nick/.xsession-errors and the /var/log/dmesg or syslog to know what the problem is
[20:39] <Slugze> reisio,  that's what i'm using right now, but as i'm occasionally doing that on a station where i don't have root rights and where i can't install it:)
[20:39] <subterfuge> k1l: ok I'll check
[20:40] <crypticmofo> thanks reisio .. i have a lpatop with fn keys so i had to ctrl+alt+fn +f2 f3 whatever
[20:40] <strap> when i run this command 'efibootmgr -c --disk /dev/sda --part 1' to create a new boot number, it doesn't create a new boot number
[20:40] <reisio> Slugze: for loop?
[20:40] <reisio> crypticmofo: that's cheating :p
[20:40] <bekks> Slugze: You can install it into your home.
[20:40] <orzo88> Still not fixed
[20:40] <strap> i'll try running it again with -v to see if i get any more info
[20:41] <Slugze> no for looking what's happening in real time  on multiple remote
[20:41] <xkernel> Rythmbox is not playing many mp3's , how can I debug to find the reason?
[20:41] <tozen> orzo88: was reading you messages and steel don't understand the ptroblem and what you've done? what the kind of ubuntu family do you use? what happened and where you not able to get?
[20:41] <orzo88> Is it possoble to roll back the update or repair the system if I use the boot disk?
[20:41] <reisio> Slugze: sorry I meant you could use a for loop :)
[20:41] <orzo88> Let me explain, im slow bc im typing on my phone
[20:42] <reisio> for a in foo bar baz; do xterm whatever @$a; done
[20:42] <Slugze> reisio,  kisses **
[20:42] <jhutchins> subterfuge: He did an apt-get (or aptitude) -f install - don't know yet that it worked, but that it did something suggests it was needed.
[20:42] <reisio> only you'd need like, nohup xterm blah > /dev/null
[20:42] <Jordan_U> strap: Why are you trying to add an entry manually? Why aren't you specifying a loader ( --loader)?
[20:42] <Slugze> (did not tought about that , pff ) thanks
[20:42] <orzo88> I use the default gnome in ubuntu 13.4. After I did the system update today I can see the folders directly on my desktop, but no gnome sidebar or top bar with the clock
[20:42] <jhutchins> subterfuge: No, didn't fix.
[20:43] <orzo88> If I click on a folder I can see my files, but its a bit like Windows when explorer crashes
[20:43] <orzo88> Thats the best a linux noob like me can explain it
[20:44] <jhutchins> orzo88: Those components have specific names, I just don't know what they are (I run kde/xfce).
[20:44] <reisio> orzo88: sounds like compiz/unity isn't running
[20:44] <orzo88> Is there a way to rollback the update?
[20:44] <reisio> alas I don't know their names, either
[20:44] <reisio> check ls /usr/bin/*unity* /usr/bin/*compiz*
[20:44] <daftykins> no, you wouldn't want to either
[20:45] <tozen> orzo88: sudo apt-get install dconf && dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[20:45] <reisio> you wouldn't want to at this point I dare say
[20:45] <Jordan_U> strap: Does that efibootmgr command print any error messages?
[20:45] <subterfuge> jhutchins: I am going to go try a few things ... I am having to work from the affected system so it will be a bit but I will update you all if I find a fix... also if you all beet me to it please hang around for 10 min or so and let me know what works
[20:45] <orzo88> Ill try that now tozen
[20:45] <jhutchins> orzo88: Can you get an xterm or Run Command box?
[20:45] <kostkon> orzo88, try resetting your unity: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-reset-compiz-and-unity-in-ubuntu.html
[20:45] <strap> Jordan_U: because during installation it's not adding one automatically,  and because it slipped my mind. adding a loader still does nothing, though
[20:45] <strap> and no, no error messages.
[20:46] <jhutchins> orzo88: kostkon's suggestion looks good.
[20:46] <orzo88> Package dconf has no install canidate
[20:46] <kostkon> orzo88, you can get into tty, by pressing ctrl+alt+f4. you go back to the desktop with ctrl+alt+f7
[20:46] <phobiac> So... I've got a server I've been asked to update that is still on natty (11.04). I'd like to get it updated to the latest LTS release but natty is old enough that isn't supported anymore. What are my options for updating?
[20:46] <orzo88> Ill try kostkons thing now
[20:46] <tozen> jhutchins: unity in standart gnome?
[20:46] <zykotick9> !eolupdate | phobiac
[20:47] <zykotick9> !eolupgrade | phobiac
[20:47] <orzo88> And yes jhutchins i can run the terminal thru the keyboard shortcut
[20:47] <jhutchins> tozen: Not me, subterfuge & orzo88
[20:47] <phobiac> Aha! Thank you zykotick9.
[20:48] <tozen> jhutchins: orzo88 said hes got standart gnome in use not unity ;)
[20:48] <jhutchins> orzo88: Someone suggested running killall gnome-panel, or if that doesn't restart gnome, just run gnome-panel &
[20:48] <newhite_> How do you look at the log file ?
[20:49] <daftykins> which log file?
[20:50] <Slugze> newhite_,  cat or tail -f or less /var/log/logfilename -( say wyou want the system logfile , it would be /var/log/syslog .  To see about every log on ubuntu, it's ls -l /var/log
[20:50] <newhite_> Slugze thanks
[20:51] <Slugze> newhite_,  pay attention some soft place their log elsewhere , you'll have to check the soft conf to be sure
[20:52] <orzo88> Ok, so I did the stuff on that page
[20:52] <newhite_> Slugze my need is in reference to cassandra.  the system.log is located in /var/log/cassandra/
[20:52] <orzo88> And when I tried to restart unity
[20:52] <newhite_> Slugze I lucked out this time
[20:52] <orzo88> I get a whole bunch of fatal NULL errors
[20:52] <vedrit> Okay, I'm trying to get my second drive shared on my network, and while everything seems to be good on the server, I can't access it on any other computer, and the Ubuntu guide for Samaba isn't much help because I can't edit the smb.conf file
[20:53] <tozen> orzo88: just restart your pc
[20:53] <sleepyrussian> hi
[20:53] <newhite_> hello sleepyrussian
[20:53] <sleepyrussian> all the video editing software i downloaded are crappy and crash
[20:53] <orzo88> Restarting now
[20:53] <sleepyrussian> can you recoment a video editing software?
[20:53] <jackarg> hey, can ayone give me guiance: I want to install windows 8 on my ubuntu machine. I'd like a good tutorial. Also, I would like to install backtrack as well, will that make it even more difficult?
[20:54] <tozen> sleepyrussian: kak sam, brat?
[20:54] <sleepyrussian> tozen i am not russian
[20:54] <orzo88> still didnt work
[20:55] <tozen> sleepyotter: avidemux
[20:55] <orzo88> Whats weird is that at the login screen
[20:55] <orzo88> I can see the top bar with the clock
[20:55] <orzo88> But when I login it dissapears
[20:55] <xkernel> Rhythmbox is not playing mp3  or adding them to the library, I have ubuntu restricted extras installed
[20:56] <daftykins> jackarg: backtrack is dead, plus windows support is in ##windows
[20:56] <tozen> orzo88: well let me understand you. what do u use unity or gnome?
[20:56] <orzo88> I use the gnome thats default with 13.04
[20:56] <jackarg> daftykins what is the new backtrack? plus i think people here are capable of helping me, it's a question of grub and dual boot
[20:57] <daftykins> doubt they will though :)
[20:57] <tozen> orzo88:  without side launcher, is it right?
[20:57] <JN_> how to instal chrome for ubuntu 11.04 ?
[20:57] <bekks> JN_: 11.04 isnt supported anymore.
[20:57] <k1l> !eol | JN_
[20:57] <subterfuge> jhutchine   k1l : running "sudo lightdm' fired everything up just as it should have.  Where would I add that to included it in start up
[20:58] <orzo88> I usually have a bar on the left side of the screen thats sort of like a start menu and a top bar similar to whats in OSX
[20:58] <JN_> thx
[20:58] <duxb> I'm running a web site that's all perl .cgi scripts in /var/www/foo/cgi-bin, where they work fine. I'm trying to modify my apache config using Rewrite directives so that example.com/foo/bar directs to /var/www/foo/cgi-bin/bar.cgi
[20:58] <jhutchins> jackarg: Installing backtrack or whatever, see their support.  Usually you install Windows first, then Ubuntu, the Ubuntu installer handles that.  If you want to install WIndows second, you're pretty much on your own as Microsoft doesn't support it.
[20:58] <duxb> and nothing is working
[20:58] <duxb> any help?
[20:58] <tozen> orzo88:  so thats means you have unity in use. ok
[20:59] <orzo88> Well, normally anyway I guess
[20:59] <jhutchins> jackarg: You can try creating an ntfs partition and seeing if Windows will see that and install to it, but windows' only option might be to wipe out your ubuntu.
[20:59] <tozen> orzo88: did you tried unity --replace
[20:59] <tozen> ??
[20:59] <k1l> !backtrack | jackarg
[20:59] <Toph2> JN_,,, Ubuntu Software Center
[20:59] <orzo88> Yes, i get a bunch of text that ends with "segmentation fault"
[21:00] <k1l> Toph2: not for 11.04 anymore
[21:00] <sleepyotter> is there a channel for discussing ivdeo making in linux?
[21:00] <tozen> orzo88: and there in no changes?
[21:00] <orzo88> None
[21:00] <tozen> after rebooting
[21:00] <Toph2> k1l,,, i see
[21:01] <orzo88> I cant eve drag the terminal window around, it glitches out to hell and slows if I try
[21:01] <jackarg> I'm trying to do this so that wow can run faster and smoother on my relatively low power pc. any other options?
[21:01] <Slugze> buy a new pc?
[21:01] <daftykins> jackarg: dualbooting tends to be best done by having Windows on first
[21:01] <orzo88> Not even after rebooting
[21:02] <subterfuge> k1l: running sudo lightdm worked for me, how would I make that run on boot everytime?
[21:02] <k1l> jackarg: i dont see any ubuntu related question in this windows and backtrack szenario. please see their supports for further guideance
[21:02] <tozen> well what else we can try is manially remove compiz config file using rm -rf ~/.config/compiz-1/compizconfig/*
[21:03] <xkernel> Rhythmbox is not playing mp3  or adding them to the library, I have ubuntu restricted extras installed
[21:03] <orzo88> Ill try that now
[21:03] <k1l> subterfuge: lightdm (or gdm or kdm or or or) should be run automatically. see the logs what happens at the startup
[21:03] <duxb> orzo88: in case you didn't know, you can always get to a terminal by hitting Ctrl+Alt+F1 ( or F2-F6 ). Hitting Ctrl+Alt+F7 will bring you back to the GUI
[21:03] <reisio> did you determine if unity/compiz is even running yet?
[21:03] <jackarg> k1l I have ubuntu and I want to install windows in dual boot that's all
[21:04] <orzo88> I can open the terminal with the keyboard shortcut
[21:04] <orzo88> And tozen, i did that, now what?
[21:04] <tozen> orzo88: logout -->>login
[21:04] <jackarg> daftykins it was extremely hard to dual boot with windows 8 and I failed
[21:04] <duxb> anybody have any experience with mod_rewrite in apache?
[21:04] <reisio> duxb: #httpd
[21:05] <orzo88> Is there a keyboard shortcut for logging out?
[21:05] <orzo88> Or command
[21:05] <duxb> reisio: thanks, I was looking for #apache, and it had one person in it
[21:05] <jhutchins> orzo88: CTRL-ALT-Delete sometimes works.
[21:05] <strap> Jordan_U: sorry, I was rebooting to confirm that I can't change anything
[21:06] <Jordan_U> jackarg: Please pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a".
[21:06] <jhutchins> orzo88: Ctrl-D in a terminal/console
[21:06] <orzo88> Did that and logged back in, no change
[21:06] <Jordan_U> strap: Is your EFI System Partition mounted at /boot/efi/?
[21:06] <daftykins> jackarg: so you're hoping putting 8 on after ubuntu will be easier?
[21:06] <jhutchins> orzo88: What did you want a logout command/shortcut for?  Console?
[21:07] <tozen> orzo88: well let me think but im not sure i have some ideas more pal...
[21:07] <bazhang> duxb, its #httpd
[21:07] <orzo88> Would it be possible to install and switch to a different desktop enviro from the terminal?
[21:07] <subterfuge> k1l: if I past bin the output of .xsession-errors would you be able to take a look.  It is a little over my head at this point
[21:08] <jackarg> daftykins I'd just like to give it another try. I failed with the first option, but I really need windows. I have the licence for w8 so idk...hey I'm here for guidance if you say I can't do it I can't but that's all there is to it
[21:08] <roasted> hi
[21:08] <strap> Jordan_U: that's what it says in my fstab
[21:08] <jackarg> Jordan_U: "no LSB modules are available"
[21:09] <duxb> reisio, bazhang: I joined that channel, but when I try to chat there, it says "Cannot send to channel", any ideas?
[21:09] <bazhang> !register | duxb
[21:09] <k1l> duxb: register with freenode and login
[21:09] <k1l> !paste | subterfuge
[21:11] <tozen> orzo88: ??
[21:11] <subterfuge> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6007969/
[21:12] <orzo88> That isnt doable?
[21:12] <tozen> when you start your ubuntu do you see on kernel or more?
[21:12] <k1l> subterfuge: you got encryption?
[21:12] <Jordan_U> jackarg:Did you forget the "-a"?
[21:13] <subterfuge> k1l: yes
[21:13] <k1l> subterfuge: hmm, im not familiar with that :/
[21:13] <orzo88> it starts normally and goes to the login screen just fine
[21:13] <orzo88> Its when I login that the trouble starts
[21:13] <tozen> orzo88: well i mean do you see grub menu or no\/
[21:14] <tozen> *not??
[21:14] <jackarg> Jordan_U http://pastebin.com/uTD0DLry
[21:14] <subterfuge> k1l: everything is working on that even, everything decrypts fine... it is just not making it to the GUI
[21:14] <Jordan_U> strap: What is the output of "sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi"?
[21:14] <orzo88> I dunno what those are, im a linux scrub :(
[21:14] <Jordan_U> strap: I will be gone for about half an hour.
[21:15] <strap> Jordan_U: ok well before you go i'm in a live session so do i chroot first?
[21:16] <tozen> orzo88:  ok when you rebooting you system just push on Shift key and hold it till you see GRUB menu with some boot options just have a check is there any more kernels aviable to boot or one only?
[21:16] <xkernel> Rhythmbox is not playing mp3  or adding them to the library, I have ubuntu restricted extras installed
[21:17] <vedrit> Okay. I need help again. I'm trying to share my second drive through Samba. I've followed the guides, but I still can't access it on any other computer
[21:17] <zaggynl> woo got amd multi monitor to work!
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> vedrit  try gigolo, it's a nice GUI
[21:18] <uhelp> how do I stop ubuntu from "helping" me by mounting drives -- especially when they are already mounted
[21:18] <uhelp> this is a terrible "feature" ... I feel 12.04.2 is way way worse than 8.04
[21:19] <gry> uhelp: No, this is a terrible default. Features are still there as before, and you can turn them on or off.
[21:19] <gry> uhelp: Possibly a bug, rather, since mounting a drive that's already mounted is not a desired default.
[21:19] <vedrit> MonkeyDust: The hosting machine is Ubuntu, all other computers are Windows
[21:19] <uhelp> gry: how do I turn this off -- thank you
[21:19] <subterfuge> k1l: any harm in running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm'
[21:20] <gry> uhelp: What triggers the automount in your case?
[21:20] <k1l> subterfuge: no
[21:20] <uhelp> gry: the auto-mount appears to be triggered after a period of time but I am not sure
[21:20] <uhelp> it happened twice
[21:20] <gry> uhelp: See here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Configuring_Automounting
[21:21] <gry> ... if that's your case... if not USB, please specify so.
[21:21] <uhelp> gry: going to your link
[21:21] <uhelp> gry: it is usb (usb-3 if it matters and I on on a Lenovo W530)
[21:21] <gry> Ok, I think it should be useful.
[21:21] <uhelp> gry: I mount the drive with something like sudo mount /dev/sdx /mount_here
[21:22] <gry> Strange. Would guess the system either have automount on, and you find yourself too late, or has it off (in which case it's a non-issue).
[21:22] <uhelp> gry: later it mounts the (already mounted) drive in some place like /media/f46b347f-9167-4456-a6eb-60001720bdfa
[21:24] <Jordan_U> strap: Yes, make sure that /boot/efi/ is mounted properly in the chroot though, as well as bind mounting /dev/ /proc/ and /sys/ (or use grub-install's --boot-directory option outside of the chroot).
[21:25] <strap> Jordan_U: alright well i did that and this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6008011/
[21:25] <jfactor> setting up dual monitors in ubuntu with AMD/ATI, when I go to fullscreen in an application using alt-enter (in dosbox for example) the monitors become mirrored, I really just want to fullscreen to go to one monitor. Can anyone offer a solution or point me to the proper chatroom?
[21:29] <zykotick9> jfactor: the old way, would be to use a NULL value in your xorg.conf... it's been too long since i've done it, so no real details to share.  but with the NULL, it will auto-disable 1 monitor when a program requests a specific resolution.
[21:30] <iceqb> ?
[21:30] <iceqb> ping
[21:30] <jfactor> zykotick9:thanks that might be a temporary solution but my hope was that I could still use the secondary monitor at the same time
[21:30] <styles> I formated a 1tb to ntfs that worked. Then I tried ext4 and it's saying is apparently in use by the system
[21:31] <styles> I can format it to NTFS though fine
[21:31] <zykotick9> jfactor: allowing the mouse to travel to both monitors (in some games) may NOT be what you really want... but good luck!
[21:31] <bluefox83> styles: make sure it's unmounted first >.>
[21:31] <styles> bluefox83, it's not mounted lol
[21:32] <jfactor> zykotick9: thanks
[21:32] <bluefox83> make sure that fsck or something isn't still running in the background, checking the drive for errors
[21:33] <bekks> bluefox83: fsck runs on unmounted fs only.
[21:33] <bekks> bluefox83: Otherwise, it cant fix errors, when the fs is mounted read-write.
[21:33] <styles> bluefox83, k
[21:33] <newhite_> How do I update java from java1.6.0_25 to Java1.7.0_25?
[21:33] <bluefox83> bekks: that's why styles needs to check to make sure it's not running...
[21:34] <bekks> !java | newhite_
[21:34] <styles> bluefox83, it's not
[21:34] <bluefox83> well something is using it...
[21:34] <styles> I don't think so
[21:35] <styles> I can format to NTFS it doesn't error out like that
[21:35] <styles> But on EXT2-3-4/s it does
[21:35] <bluefox83> what is that command...i think it's like lsof -l | grep /dev/drive
[21:35] <newhite_> ubottu thanks.  I need the JDK.
[21:35] <genii> newhite_: Alternately, there's the webupd8 team PPA which has all the Oracle Java versions
[21:35] <styles> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow
[21:35] <styles>       Output information may be incomplete.
[21:36] <bluefox83> ooooooh
[21:36] <bluefox83> you're running in a livecd then?
[21:36] <newhite_> genili I'll try the link sent by the bot.  Then I'll explore webupd8
[21:36] <styles> bluefox83, yeah trying to get my data transfered before I reformat
[21:36] <bluefox83> i'm doing the same thing hehe
[21:37] <styles> I have 2 drives and I'm trying to store it on 1 from the other then reformat
[21:37] <styles> any lucky?
[21:37] <bluefox83> eh, i'm using rsync across my network. it's slow but it's getting the job done
[21:37] <styles> both are internal drives
[21:37] <styles> in this case
[21:37] <styles> if I install first then try and format the drives, should it be ok?
[21:38] <bluefox83> it will format the one you're installing to
[21:38] <bluefox83> but any other drives/partitions wont
[21:38] <bluefox83> you'd still need to format them if that's what you want to do
[21:38] <styles> bluefox83, yeah but I'm not really able to format it
[21:39] <subterfuge> k1l: no joy with that... has anyone else fixed this yet while I was gone
[21:39] <styles> I guess not w/ a live cd?
[21:39] <bluefox83> eh, you'll be able to...i think you likely just need to restart
[21:39] <bluefox83> livecds can be wierd sometimes
[21:39] <styles> Tried that alraedy
[21:39] <styles> already*
[21:39] <bluefox83> really? O.o
[21:39] <holstein> live cd is what i would use to format it.. from gparted
[21:39] <styles> holstein, what file format?
[21:40] <holstein> styles: whatever is required
[21:40] <bluefox83> holstein is right
[21:40] <styles> yeah bluefox83  I've been dealing w/ this for a few days now lol
[21:40] <bluefox83> me too!
[21:40] <holstein> gparted does many formats.. when gparted has failed is when the hard drive is failing
[21:40] <styles> holstein, works fine on windows though
[21:40] <holstein> styles: test the hard drive
[21:40] <styles> how?
[21:40] <holstein> styles: i use a live CD and do a smart test
[21:40] <bluefox83> my problem is that i keep having issues with bad sectors...on a very large drive (1tb WD drive)
[21:41] <styles> I'll run that now holstein
[21:41] <styles> bluefox83, I have a 1tb wd as well
[21:41] <styles> err 2
[21:41] <styles> both are giving me massive issues on ubuntu
[21:41] <bluefox83> hrm
[21:41] <styles> Daemon is inhibited
[21:41] <bluefox83> i wonder if there wasn't a recent update in the kernels or something that's causing it?
[21:42] <holstein> styles: what daemon?
[21:42] <styles> Yeah smart check isn't really working
[21:42] <holstein> styles: ?
[21:42] <styles> Well it runs really fast
[21:42] <holstein> styles: i do a test, and the test takes over an hour
[21:42] <styles> yeah takes 30 seconds lol
[21:42] <styles> and most things are N/A
[21:42] <holstein> styles: then, do the long test, from a live CD
[21:43] <holstein> styles: i diagnostic live CD
[21:43] <styles> You mean a SMART self-test extended right?
[21:43] <styles> I'm on a live cd now
[21:43] <holstein> styles: i mean, literally whatever test gives me the information i need.. if one doesnt work, or run, i move on
[21:47] <styles> http://i.imgur.com/wLE59sN.png
[21:48] <holstein> styles: looks good, friend.. are you deciding to rule out hardware failure then?
[21:48] <styles> holstein, yeah I'm like spinning in circles not really knowing where to go from here
[21:48] <holstein> styles: try saying what you are trying to do
[21:49] <styles> My last attempt was format it to NTFS (it will do this), then I restart GParted and it's marked as not working
[21:49] <styles> And it never mounts
[21:49] <holstein> why ntfs?
[21:49] <stripe> hi all, I have a question if you can help, can the menus be put back on the windows from the task-bar without having to perform a 3rd party hack? cheers
[21:49] <holstein> i woudnt ask windows to make me an ext formatted drive
[21:49] <styles> Because EXT2-3-4 aren't even an option. It says it's busy
[21:49] <reisio> I wouldn't ask it to do anything :D
[21:49] <styles> I'm on a live cd
[21:50] <styles> ubuntu live cd 12.04
[21:50] <bluefox83> reisio: me either :p
[21:50] <reisio> stripe: I think so
[21:50] <holstein> styles: they *are* an option
[21:50] <holstein> styles: elaborate as to what you are trying to do and why
[21:50] <stripe> thanks reisio
[21:50] <jhutchins> styles: It might be a good idea to power off and check the cabling, re-seat it.
[21:51] <styles> jhutchins, I can.. but it works fine in my windows partition
[21:51] <stripe> is it a new drive?
[21:51] <holstein> or, replace the cables if you have spares
[21:51] <styles> Uh I guess? I mean few months
[21:51] <reisio> stripe: check the tweak tool
[21:51] <styles> Never worked under ubuntu
[21:51] <bluefox83> jhutchins: your nick reminds me of someoen i am related to >.>
[21:51] <holstein> styles: what never worked where?
[21:51] <styles> I have two drives, both NTFS (built in windows) tried to initially mount them using ntfs-3g
[21:51] <bluefox83> *someone
[21:51] <styles> The drives never worked under Ubuntu
[21:51] <holstein> styles: ntfs doesnt 'auto mount" with write privs
[21:51] <styles> Right. I couldn't even get them to mount as read only
[21:51] <holstein> styles: i use whatever i want where ever i want, and it works as i make it work
[21:52] <holstein> styles: try now, and report the errors.. try from the command line and give the *exact* errors
[21:52] <holstein> styles: or, try another format.. or other cables. or other machine.. or other live CD. or other operating system
[21:52] <miebster_atwork_> I'm mounting nfs from my /etc/fstab.  The mount directory is owned by root after the drive is mounted.  How can I make it owned by my user?
[21:52] <holstein> styles: try not sitting still, and talking about what is not happening..
[21:52] <OerHeks> styles windows 8 by any chance?
[21:53] <stripe> partition table?
[21:53] <holstein> styles: make something happen.. if you want ntfs format, format it ntsf and mount and share errors
[21:53] <styles> http://privatepaste.com/d5762d2c0e
[21:53] <styles> that's the fdisk output
[21:54] <holstein> styles: the devices dosnt have a valid partition table.. did you address that?
[21:55] <holstein> styles: did you "fix" the partition table? in the menu? in gparted?
[21:56] <styles> Trying right now, but not exactly working. I've removed all the partitions from the drive. Applied it. So I have 1tb unallocated.
[21:57] <styles> Now if I attempt to allocate it to new partition it will error out.  "/dev/sdc1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!"
[21:57] <styles> This was EXT4 if I try NTFS it will work, BUT it wont mount.
[21:58] <holstein> styles: in gparted, i select "device" - "create a partition table"
[21:58] <holstein> styles: i "fix" that.. then, i make whatever partition i want, and format. then i mount
[21:59] <holstein> if i wanted an ntfs partition, and i had windows around, i would let windows do it
[21:59] <zykotick9> miebster_atwork_: IF, your user IDs are the same on client/server - then just change it on the server.  most likely, you'll probably just want to give the Other group r/w.
[22:00] <nyuszika7h> hi, I've been trying to find a solution ever since I installed Ubuntu 2 weeks ago - the alert sound when a program triggers a bell does not work. it works in the sound settings, but when a program triggers a bell, nothing happens...
[22:00] <nyuszika7h> using Ubuntu 13.04
[22:00] <kwtm> Hi. If I have a file "brmfcfaxcups-1.0.0-1.i386.deb" and I want to see if that file has been installed, how do I check?  I do not know the name of the package that this *.deb file represents (otherwise I could do "apt-cache policy <package name>");  I guess I need to somehow find the package name from this .deb file and then search for this package?
[22:01] <styles> holstein, thank you and bluefox83 I'm going to restart and try this
[22:01] <nyuszika7h> my guess would be it's called brmfcfaxcups
[22:01] <holstein> kwtm: i might just look in a package manager like synaptic
[22:02] <kwtm> holstein: What does that mean, "look in"?  Would synaptic be able to tell me the name of a package of a file I separately downloaded, not from a standardf repository?
[22:02] <kwtm> nyuszika7h: Good guess; I would guess the same.  How would I verify this?
[22:02] <nyuszika7h> not sure, tried `apt-cache policy brmfcfaxcups`?
[22:03] <holstein> kwtm: i would open synaptic and search and see if the package is installed
[22:03] <kwtm> nyuszika7h: Yes, tried.
[22:03] <kwtm> holstein: Search for what package?  I am trying to determine the package name: as I said:     " I do not know the name of the package that this *.deb file represents (otherwise I could do "apt-cache policy <package name>")"
[22:03] <Dr_Willis> !info apt-file
[22:03] <holstein> kwtm: synaptic would be able to see a *.deb file that ws installed..
[22:03] <zykotick9> kwtm: "dpkg -c brmfcfaxcups-1.0.0-1.i386.deb" should list the contents... might give come clues.
[22:04] <kwtm> Dr_Willis: Thank you, will try.
[22:04] <nyuszika7h> or dpkg -I
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> if you used the package manager tools to install the .deb  holstein  yes.
[22:04] <kwtm> zykotick9: Thanks.
[22:04] <nyuszika7h> `dpkg -I brmfcfaxcups-1.0.0-1.i386.deb`, more specifically
[22:04] <miebster_atwork_> zykotick9: I think you misunderstood
[22:04] <holstein> Dr_Willis: i shouldnt assume..
[22:04] <miebster_atwork_> zykotick9: the server lets me write to it, but on my client I have to type "sudo touch foo" to write to it, because on my client it shows up as "root" owned once its mounted
[22:06] <zykotick9> miebster_atwork_: ahhh, even after re-reading your question... i still have the same answer???  right, so on the server side, change the permission to allow OTHER to read/write (i go to great lengths to be sure my main user is 1000 on all systems, to avoid this problem with NFS)
[22:06] <Vinnie_win> Why is it so damn hard to grab the edge of the terminal window for a resize, especially the right side where the scrollbar thumb always appears out of nowhere at the worst time?
[22:06] <dougl> can anyone recommend a way to customize grub...       ?     ?
[22:06] <miebster_atwork_> zykotick9: I have nothing to do with the server side, again you are mis understanding me
[22:06] <reisio> dougl: in what way?
[22:06] <zykotick9> miebster_atwork_: ok sorry, i can't help you.  good luck.
[22:07] <holstein> !grub | dougl i suggest leaving it alone
[22:07] <reisio> Vinnie_win: you can disable the scrollbar thing :)
[22:07] <kwtm> Thanks all.  Able to list .deb file contents but still not able to find the official name of the package that would be installed once I install the .deb file, but I've got enough to keep me going.  Will continue to check.  Thx!
[22:07] <miebster_atwork_> zykotick9: I have a directory on my system /opt/foobar ,it is owned by my user account user1, when the nfs is mounted, the directory says its owned by root, when the mount happens, the owner of the dir changes
[22:07] <dougl> reisio, just did a distupgrade after installing a new drive with windows on it and I guess there was a kernel in the update adn when grub went auto learning it found it and configd so I can dual boot but the menu looks a little hideous...
[22:07] <wilee-nilee> dougl, The boot splash?
[22:07] <dougl> err grub 2
[22:07] <Vinnie_win> reisio: Is there a way to just always have the scrollbar like Windows / Mac? And how do I make the border thicker? it seems like you have to land on exactly 1 pixel to get a resize cursor.
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> grub menu that is
[22:08] <dougl> wilee-nilee, that would be nice
[22:08] <zykotick9> miebster_atwork_: "i understand", but i still can't help you.  good luck (don't include my nic in future, hopefully someone else has an answer for you)
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> dougl, There was a thread on the ubuntu forums and if you look on the web there is stuff, be careful is all and know how to be able to purge and reinstall grub.
[22:09] <miebster_atwork_> Can somsone show me an fstab entry that mounts an NFS share as read/write and leaves the owner of the mount point as the user (and doesn't change it to root?) surely this can't be a rare use case?
[22:09] <reisio> dougl: you can do a lot with it, including just hiding it if you want
[22:09] <wilee-nilee> dougl, You can easily change the background
[22:09] <dougl> wilee-nilee, now that ypou mention it... why fix it if it aint broken... it is not even up there for a munute
[22:09] <reisio> Vinnie_win: right it's intended for you to use the pop out thing by default
[22:10] <wilee-nilee> dougl, I just used a cool background, but yeah I would agree.
[22:10] <dougl> I thot the background would have been easy...
[22:10] <reisio> Vinnie_win: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html :)
[22:10] <wilee-nilee> I have hal the computer eye in mine from 2001 space odessey
[22:10] <reisio> Vinnie_win: and in general if you want a more Windows-like experience, you might want to switch from Unity to Xfce, or KDE, or GNOME 3 with some heavy modification
[22:10] <dougl> nice....
[22:12] <alfonsojon> Hi
[22:12] <alfonsojon> Is Ubuntu Touch just glorified Android?
[22:12] <alfonsojon> Or is it it's own OS?
[22:12] <Vinnie_win> reisio: I'd like to mess with the Ubuntu installation as little as possible to be honest
[22:13] <holstein> !touch | alfonsojon
[22:13] <holstein> alfonsojon: its not android
[22:13] <alfonsojon> I know but it seems to use components from it
[22:13] <alfonsojon> well then again, this enables more devices
[22:13] <alfonsojon> nevermind
[22:13] <holstein> alfonsojon: like, the linux kernel?
[22:13] <alfonsojon> I heard it uses SurfaceFlinger
[22:13] <alfonsojon> instead of mir
[22:14] <alfonsojon> The reason is so that proprietary Android device GPU drivers work on it
[22:14] <alfonsojon> I'm not sure if this is true though
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> ive heard it has its own challen for discussion of the Touch OS. ;)
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> channel
[22:14] <holstein> alfonsojon: i would have to refer to the resources i linked for you
[22:14] <alfonsojon> I'm heading over to #ubuntu-touch
[22:14] <alfonsojon> didn't realise it had its own channel already
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> and ill belive it when i actually see the devices out. ;)   but im a a bit of a sckeptic with n ew hardware these days
[22:15] <kwtm2> Where do I put/modify permission to use USB devices?  It can't find my USB scanner.  With an earlier version of Ubuntu I used to be able to modify a file called /etc/udev/rules.d/40-basic-permissions.rules  but that file no longer exists.  Is it moved to a different place? (Currently using 12.04 LTS)
[22:16] <holstein> kwtm2: you shouldnt need to.. try just using a scanning application
[22:16] <kwtm2> holstein: Tried. Error: not detected. What now?
[22:18] <holstein> kwtm2: could be a few things.. i would load the distro that was working with the scanner live (assuming that is a possibility.. and see that the device is not broken. i would then run "lsusb" in the current setup, and see that the device is there
[22:18] <zykotick9> kwtm2: in a terminal, if you type "groups" are you in the scanner group?  [dangerous, but if you use gksudo with your scanner application, does it find the scanner?]
[22:18] <holstein> i would then, take that line to a search engine and do "scanner version ubuntu version" and see if anything helpful comes up.. or you can ask here
[22:18] <genii> Alternately, plugdev group.
[22:20] <crankharder> why ntp no work? https://gist.github.com/crankharder/bdac1d98888ccb87bb4b
[22:20] <diphtherial> hello; is it possible to mount a usb drive while you're booted into the liveCD, and if so how would you go about it...?
[22:20] <holstein> crankharder: a time server?
[22:20] <diphtherial> mounting storage is still a mystery to me :\ i'm not sure what the process is that you're supposed to take to do it
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> diphtherial, plug it in it should just mount
[22:21] <bekks> crankharder: Wrong syntax. Correct syntax: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[22:21] <diphtherial> ah, wait, i think he's just at the root recovery prompt...
[22:21] <eden_> Anyone know a good way to identify songs?
[22:21] <diphtherial> (apologies, attempting to advise someone remotely)
[22:21] <holstein> eden_: by title
[22:21] <diphtherial> let me get some more information and then i'll ask a more reasonable question
[22:21] <zykotick9> bekks: fyi, using ntpdate IF the user has ntpd running, is a bad idea...
[22:22] <eden_> holstein, you listen it to a movie
[22:22] <delinquentme> does anyone else happen to have a track pad thats a little too liberal in its movement?
[22:22] <bekks> zykotick9: Yeah, I know that.
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | delinquentme
[22:22] <zykotick9> bekks: ok, just checkin' ;)
[22:22] <holstein> eden_: you want to know the music from a movie? i would search that online
[22:22] <bekks> zykotick9: ;)
[22:22] <delinquentme> I know im hitting spaces and sometimes my cursor leaps to wholly different places OTHER than its intended location ... Is there a solution for this?
[22:23] <delinquentme> its kind of an annoyance ... and in code can be really detrimental
[22:23] <moondog> delinquentme: disable the trackpad in the bios
[22:23] <eden_> holstein, if you are using android then you should know what shazam or soundhound is i want to be able to identift a song title
[22:23] <reisio> delinquentme: most laptops have a dedicated trackpad disable toggle
[22:23] <reisio> delinquentme: Fn + someNumberKey
[22:24] <reisio> or space bar
[22:24] <reisio> otherwise you can make one using xinput
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> eden_, This is ubuntu not android it has no relevance here.
[22:24] <holstein> eden_: this is the ubuntu support channel.. i would just use shazam it you want.. or search online for the application you are seeking.. maybe a webapp
[22:24] <Monotoko> Is there a way to send a process to another user?
[22:24] <reisio> eden_: there are websites for that
[22:24] <reisio> the mobile apps tend to be glorified frontends to them
[22:24] <eden_> reisio, i can't find anything that works for me can you suggest anything?
[22:24] <delinquentme> except I use the track pad moondog reisio
[22:24] <reisio> Monotoko: to another term, yes
[22:25] <reisio> delinquentme: except what?
[22:25] <moondog> delinquentme: well there's your problem!
[22:25] <bekks> reisio: How would you send a process to another terminal?
[22:25] <moondog> j/k
[22:25] <reisio> eden_: well the mobile apps don't work so wonderfully IME, either
[22:25] <delinquentme> The ideal solution would be something that tunes down the sensitivity to a given threshold
[22:25] <reisio> bekks: reptyr
[22:25] <delinquentme> moondog, OIC nao!
[22:25] <bekks> reisio: ah, thx
[22:25] <Monotoko> reisio: I have an irssi session open in screen
[22:25] <Monotoko> I was wondering if it was possible to bounce it to another user without disconnecting
[22:25] <reisio> Monotoko: probably, with reptyr
[22:26] <holstein> eden_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3994221/can-you-suggest-web-api-for-music-identification-service-like-shazam
[22:28] <basant> where could I look for some win 7 help or anyone who has used/uses it
[22:28] <Jordan_U> basant: ##windows
[22:28] <reisio> basant: help with... using Windows?
[22:29] <Guest57151> ciao
[22:29] <diphtherial> hey, is /mnt generally read-only if you're trying to modify it from the recovery root shell?
[22:30] <preben> Hi. Is there a page that explains how to get the RADEON xorg driver to make my fan go quiet? The 5 years I have used fglrx I have not heard the fan, but now with radeon in 13.04 it is so loud it is unbearable
[22:30] <diphtherial> a friend of mine is getting fouled up at that point, told that the filesystem is read only
[22:30] <reisio> diphtherial: it might default to read only, I don't know
[22:30] <zykotick9> diphtherial: if your in recovery mode, i believe the file system is read only
[22:30] <bekks> diphtherial: The entire filesystem is read-only then.
[22:30] <reisio> diphtherial: you can remount it as read-write if so
[22:30] <diphtherial> ah, right, i'd like to mount it read-write, then...
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> diphtherial:  all of / is read only from a recovery shell. in order to let you fsck it easially
[22:31] <mnmt> It seems I broke ubuntu and I can't find any solution on the docs, anyone want to try to help for a bit?
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> bbl - work time fors me.
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> !details | mnmt
[22:31] <reisio> diphtherial: mount -o remount,rw /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever
[22:31] <basant> reisio, well it is jsut that I am using host win 7 and guest ubuntu and I could not get the printer to work correctly with the guest. I figured that if I write the simple text file in a shared folder ( via vbox ) and then try to use a printing program to kee monitoring the folder and print anything new I can get it to work but alas !!!. The program I got  ---  http://www.lerup.com/printfile/    does not even print a simple txt file.  T
[22:31] <basant> he file appears unformatted via notepad and formattted via wordpad
[22:32] <reisio> basant: mmm, you can probably get the printer working, but I'd ask #vbox about it
[22:32] <reisio> or indeed, #windows
[22:32] <diphtherial> reisio: thanks :)
[22:32] <diphtherial> by the way, this is the same dude whose party i declined; i saw your memo about that, took me a while to figure it out
[22:32] <reisio> heheh
[22:33] <reisio> yeah I figured
[22:33] <mnmt> Sure, When I try to boot into Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (using grub) all that appears is a single blinking underscore in the top left. A command line login appears for a second before returning to the state before. No key press causes any reaction except for the power off, the following message appears:
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Tell the channel whats up if anyones knows they will probably answer you want the option of anyones help.
[22:33] <diphtherial> we had a bit of a talk about my social anxiety, which was fun :x i think he forgave me
[22:33] <mnmt> acpid: exiting
[22:33] <reisio> social anxiety isn't worth it, I know from experience :)
[22:33] <mnmt> Checking for running unattended-upgrades
[22:33] <mnmt> speech-dispatcher disabled
[22:34] <mnmt> speech-dispatcher disabled: edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Did it ever run correctly, do you have proprietary graphic drivers installed?
[22:35] <sergio_> hi
[22:35] <mnmt> Its worked before, this happened when I used the update manager, chose restart to install updates, accidently chose windows 7 at grub so at windows login screen pressed restart and chose ubuntu at grub, which lead to this problem
[22:35] <reisio> hi Guest95841
[22:37] <xkernel> Rhythmbox is not playing mp3  or adding them to the library, I have ubuntu restricted extras installed
[22:37] <Guest95841> can anyone help me with reapairing a damages uefi boot? I tryed installed a dual boot win8 and ubuntu 13.04 in a ultrabook
[22:37] <reisio> xkernel: how many have you tried?
[22:37] <xkernel> reisio, tried what?
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Use nicks, and answer questions.
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> I asked two questions
[22:39] <mnmt> How do I use nicks. As for drivers, I had changed to nvidea 320 experimental, but that was at least 4 succesful logins ago
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> !tab | mnmt
[22:39] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, So like this?
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, If you use the drivers from nvidia they will not follow kernel upgrades, you want the ones in the repos. Yeah perfect on the nick. ;)
[22:41] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, Silly steam, telling me to change graphic driver. So How do I roll back update/change driver?
[22:41] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, YOu can use what drivers you want but want to be informed of the consequences is all. ;)
[22:41] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, Within windows :/
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, In ubuntu windows drivers in windows have no relevance
[22:42] <Woodsman> hey, i was wondering how to change it so that the directories and files are color coded when i ls. i uncommented the lines in .bashrc relating to directory colors but nothing changed, even after restarting the terminal. any ideas?
[22:42] <phillyj> hey guys, why do i have to create a Ubuntu One account to get into my ubuntuforums.com account?
[22:42] <phillyj> i'm sick of making useless accounts
[22:43] <paul_beginner> hi!
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> phillyj, I saw that ask them.
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> phillyj, There is a #ubuntuforums channel
[22:43] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, Sorry, am slightly confused. So by updating kernal with the nvidea drivers meant that ubuntu won't launch correctly. So can I fix it?
[22:43] <phillyj> ok
[22:44] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Yoiur setup in windows will not affect ubuntu if you have a partitioned install, is this a wubi?
[22:44] <wilee-nilee> your*
[22:44] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, For all I know, a file browser in windows could edit a config to fix it. I know nothing though :P
[22:44] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, Thats what I meant anyway. They are dual boot partitioned
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Separate OS, nothing related except the mbr
[22:45] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, Ok
[22:47] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, Can it be fixed? Without wiping it?
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, All my comments except confirming your windows setup in relation to ubuntu are ubuntu relevance, I.E. the nvidia drivers if that was what you were referencing
[22:48] <jkvillegas> i'm not able to sync my samsung s3 using rhythbox neither clementine
[22:48] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, fix what, you have mixed windows in with this conversation it is difficult to tell exactly what you have done in ubuntu.
[22:49] <celal> #ubuntu-de
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, If you need to remove the drivers and add the repos in ubuntu the channel is better there I have never had to load a graphic driver.
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> repos driver*
[22:50] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, When I try to boot into ubuntu, there is bascily just a black screen with a blinking underscore
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Right and have you added the drivers from other than ther ubuntu repos?
[22:50] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, I can't currently use ubuntu
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> the*
[22:51] <mnmt> wilee-nilee, It seems I had
[22:51] <mnmt> wilee-nilee,  Though I am not sure, the driver was there ready to "activate"
[22:51] <ryan__> Can somebody please help me?
[22:51] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Cool have the channel direct you on removing them and installing the ones from the repos, I'm just not up on that.
[22:51] <paul_beginner> whats the matter ryan?
[22:52] <ryan__> I just got Ubuntu again, how do I get Gnome 2 back?
[22:52] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, Ah a restricted driver add from software sources?
[22:52] <wilee-nilee> ryan__, The closest is the fallback gnome 2 is not available.
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> or the cinnamon desktop avaolable in 13.04 is kinda like it
[22:53] <ryan__> but I remember in Ubuntu 12.04 I had the classic Ubuntu desktop - how would I get it? I can't stand Unity.
[22:54] <zykotick9> !notunity | ryan__
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> ryan__, classice is the fallback and use nicks here.
[22:54] <ryan__> Wait what? three people said something at once and I'm confused xD
[22:55] <vedrit> Can anyone help me with Samba? I've read and followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide#Ubuntu_Server and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html but I still can't get my drive to be accessible from my Windows machine
[22:56] <mnmt> Right so having chatted to wilee-nilee, anyone here know how I can remove a nvidea ubuntu driver and replace it with propriatary, seems a kernal update now stops me being able to lauch ubuntu properly
[22:56] <vedrit> Wait, I think I was looking through the wrong uide
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> ryan__, Two people one was a bot trigger making it seem like 3, all saying the same.
[22:57] <ryan__> What's the whole '!nountiy' thing about
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> mnmt, The term proprietary references to nvidia downloads, that is what you don;t want for correct syntax here. Although the one not working might have that term used so it is a bit complex in the word usage.
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> ryan__, YOu want it sounds like the classic desktop, now called the fallback it comes with the gnome-shell install, it is just a psuedo gnome 2 desktop
[23:00] <wilee-nilee> ryan__, I believe it the fallback can be installed by itself, not sure the commands.
[23:00] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: ahhh, does fallback really come with the gnome-shell package?  I'd find that surprising.
[23:00] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I thought it did, I have not messed with it and now it is part of some release again.
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> saucy I think
[23:01] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: well, according to !notunity - it says install "gnome-panel"???
[23:02] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, hold on let me logout I have the shell in 13.04
[23:03] <paul_beginner> hey.. i'm absolute beginner with any linux. i installed ubuntu 12.04.2 with virtual box, but when I start I only get a login prompt in a console. does someone have a clue what I'm doing wrong? :/
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I think it is included with the shell it is in my 13.04 the panel install is just the fallback install I believe
[23:05] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: ok, i guess that make some sense ;)
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, In general gnome and ubuntu seem to be trying to keep those that can't adapt happy, those pooooooor folk, lol. ;)
[23:05] <zykotick9> paul_beginner: did you install the server version?  what was the ISO called that you used to install?
[23:06] <paul_beginner> let me check
[23:06] <lgc> What's the dpkg option to dump a list of installed software?
[23:06] <paul_beginner> ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386 from the ubuntu.com
[23:07] <zykotick9> paul_beginner: that's the regular, desktop ISO.  don't know why you are getting a console only?  best of luck - someone else might have some suggestions.
[23:07] <paul_beginner> thank you anyways.. maybe I redo the process. its just 5 minutes :)
[23:08] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: i was one of those "pooooor" folk - so i left both U & Gnome... reverted to my earlier WM only days ;)
[23:09] <mnmt> Anyone know how to uninstall a propriatary nvidea driver and go back to the default using the emergency command line?
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I use unity for a year or two then switched to the shell, but basically use the cairo dock and synapse to find or launch stuff.
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> I use W8 often lately, and I started my computer use with open source
[23:10] <paul_beginner> mnmt: maybe this will help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1432857
[23:11] <xmetal> :O @ a MS OS? .. :P and you get on me for that minty OS
[23:11] <xmetal> :P
[23:11] <mnmt> paul_beginner, Thanks will try this out. Sorry I couln't find the page myself
[23:12] <paul_beginner> np :D
[23:14] <emurillo510> do any of you guys know of a onenote alternative?
[23:15] <emurillo510> or a more general question how do you take notes on ubuntu?
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> !text
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> !texteditor | emurillo510
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> derp
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> !editor
[23:16] <bluebomber> I'm getting this error when I try to remove a package: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. Can anyone lend a hand?
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> !editor | emurillo510
[23:17] <bluebomber> (it's accompanied by more output than I feel comfortable pasting here)
[23:17] <emurillo510> !html
[23:19] <paul_beginner> how do I know which version I need. the 32bit or 64bit to run ubuntu in VirtulBox on Win7?
[23:19] <basant> #windows has very less people. Can someone tell me why I can see a file perfectly when viewed via gedit  or wordpad in windows ( notepad leaves out the \n) but I print it via http://www.lerup.com/printfile/
[23:20] <basant> I have written a text file but cannot get to print it !! . how much lamer can I get ?
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> paul_beginner, What you need is what you need?
[23:21] <bluebomber> Can someone help me with unresolved dependency issues that only show up when I try to do an apt-get remove or an aptitude remove?
[23:21] <paul_beginner> huh?
[23:21] <zykotick9> paul_beginner: 32bit is the "safe" choice.
[23:22] <wilee-nilee> !details | bluebomber
[23:22] <paul_beginner> okay i stick to that
[23:22] <paul_beginner> thanks
[23:22] <zykotick9> bluebomber: does "sudo apt-get -f install" run through without issues?
[23:23] <bluebomber> zykotick9: Yes.
[23:23] <bluebomber> wilee-nilee: I just did prior to that message. I'll copy it again: "I'm getting this error when I try to remove a package: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. Can anyone lend a hand?" Ubuntu 13.04 64b
[23:23] <zykotick9> bluebomber: so, what are you trying to remove - and what is the output?  can you paste both to paste.ubuntu.com?
[23:23] <bluebomber> zykotick9: libxml2
[23:24] <bluebomber> zykotick9: aptitude recommends a series of 500+ changes when I try to remove it.
[23:24] <zykotick9> bluebomber: why are you trying to remove that?
[23:25] <bluebomber> zykotick9: I have another issue that I thought I could fix by removing that.
[23:25] <bluebomber> zykotick9: Is the pkgProblemResolver error I referenced above expected in this situation, then?
[23:26] <zykotick9> bluebomber: it's NOT something you should remove!  check the output of "apt-cache rdepends libxml2", LOTS of stuff needs that package!
[23:27] <Poodle448> how do i add Guake Terminal to my startup applications?
[23:27] <bluebomber> zykotick9: Ahh, ok, so it's an error, because it can't figure out *how* to remove it, because of all the other packages dependant on it?
[23:27] <zykotick9> bluebomber: apt-get and aptitude are probably just breaking, trying to figure out what to do to "try" and remove that package.
[23:27] <Poodle448> how do i add Guake Terminal to my startup applications?
[23:29] <Poodle448> How do you make Guake Terminal startup when you login on Ubuntu??
[23:30] <paul_beginner> "Goto System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications.
[23:30] <paul_beginner> The Startup Application Preferences window opens. In the Startup Programs tab click on Edit Button.  Give a Name for the Application in the Name field, and then type “guake” without quotes in the command field and click Save.  Then close the Startup Application Preferences window and restat the machine, now Guake should start automatically on login."
[23:30] <Poodle448> Thank you
[23:31] <bluebomber> zykotick9: Thanks for your assistance, it's greatly appreciated.
[23:31] <zykotick9> bluebomber: i'm afraid it's a "thanks for nothing", sorry 'bout that.
[23:32] <bluebomber> zykotick9: Well, it makes sense from the perspective you explained.
[23:33] <Moe> ubottu is a bot
[23:33] <Moe> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
[23:38] <paul_beginner> okay so now the os starts  correctly and tells me my graphics are set on low due to no drivers detected. Do I run in low-graphics or should I try to config them with the console? My GC is a ATI HD 5800
[23:38] <vedrit> Is there a way to use the NFS to share drives with Window's devices? I don't see any mention in the help page about it
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> vedrit, ubuntu will read MS partitioning, are the hard drives in the computer
[23:42] <vedrit> Ubuntu is reading the drive just fine, but I can't get my Windows machine to access it, even after marking it as shared
[23:42] <wilee-nilee> vedrit, MS does not read ext4 in general without an ancient driver of some sort at least ext2 and 3, a shared ntfs partition is advised generally.
[23:42] <vedrit> This is a separate drive within the server
[23:42] <vedrit> The drive I'm wanting to share is NTFS
[23:43] <Sivik> have you tried with samba vedrit
[23:43] <vedrit> Yeah. No luck
[23:43] <vedrit> I've tried samba and NFS
[23:43] <Sivik> i blame windows
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> vedrit, this a raid setup and I'm not sure I understand what it is you want.
[23:44] <vedrit> I want to share a second drive, that is not part of Ubuntu but is in the same machine that is running Ubuntu, with another computer
[23:44] <vedrit> As a network resource
[23:44] <wilee-nilee> Ah, cool others will be best in this. ;)
[23:45] <vedrit> I'm sure I have something wrong in samba, but I have no idea what
[23:45] <k1l> mount that drive and share that drive with sambe
[23:45] <k1l> !samba | vedrit
[23:49] <paul_beginner> got to desktop YAY
[23:56] <hakuga> hello, what audio player do you use ? I came from Windows and I really like foobar. Is there a foobar-like on GNU/Linux ?


[01:57] <ScottK> :q
[02:42] <TJ-> desktop amd64 daily ISO (2015-09-24) is failing to BIOS-boot - looks like isolinux is reporting "Operating System not found".
[09:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:56] <clivejo> any packagers here?
[10:57] <clivejo> yofel Riddell sgclark et al
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:18] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hi soee
[12:25] <soee> hey devs, few good words from Kubuntu users http://paste.ubuntu.com/12573660/ :)
[13:04] <clivejo> soee: did you get to the bottom of your dolphin issue?
[13:05] <soee> clivejo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-September/009945.html
[13:07] <clivejo> I guess you arent using backports?
[13:07] <soee> in wily ? do we have anything there ?
[13:08] <soee> there is only amarok, nothing more
[13:09] <clivejo> no sorry, proposed
[13:09] <clivejo> calligra is melting my head
[13:11] <soee> nope, i do not have proposed enabled
[13:11] <clivejo> will you try it please?
[13:11] <soee> what is there >
[13:12] <clivejo> apps 15.08.1 I believe
[13:13] <soee> but they are in archive now
[13:13] <soee> no need to use proposed
[13:20] <clivejo> would you mind trying, or is it a production machine?
[13:21] <yofel>  *** 4:15.08.1-0ubuntu1 0
[13:21] <yofel>         500 http://localhost:3142/ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/ubuntu/ wily/universe amd64 Packages
[13:21] <yofel> or what are you looking for in proposed?
[13:21] <yofel> (that's dolphin btw.)
[13:22] <yofel> FWIW, I don't have any dolphin issues here
[13:24] <clivejo> yofel: any idea why dput gets stuck here - Uploading calligra_2.9.7+git20150925.orig.tar.gz: 280386k/280387k
[13:26] <yofel> not offhand, no. but I've seen that myself in the past...
[13:26] <clivejo> happened twice now in a row
[13:26] <clivejo> always 1k short of the full upload
[13:30] <clivejo> will try it once more


[05:18] <David_Hedlund> How can I remove installed packages from ubuntu-desktop that is not found in ubuntu-desktop-minimal?
[05:24] <David_Hedlund> sudo apt-mark hold ubuntu-desktop-minimal && apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop # ?
[06:12] <ibilalkayy> Hey there, I checked many repositories of the canonical organization on GitHub. Many of them were not having a contribution guide. Some of them had but they were just showing us that you should sign the contributing agreement license. I don't think that this is enough information to be provided in the contributing guide.
[06:12] <ibilalkayy> I went into many issues tabs also and they were directing us to https://opensource.guide/. This is a basic guide to contribute to any project. I think that each repository should contain a separate contributing guide specific to that repository.
[06:12] <ibilalkayy> It will be helpful for the new contributors.
[06:12] <ibilalkayy> Thank you!
[06:32] <ibilalkayy> I went into many issues tabs also and they were directing us to https://opensource.guide/. This is a basic guide to contribute to any project. I think that each repository should contain a separate contributing guide specific to that repository.
[06:32] <ibilalkayy> It will be helpful for the new contributors.
[06:32] <ibilalkayy> Thank you!
[06:33] <ibilalkayy> I went into many issues tabs also and they were directing us to https://opensource.guide/. This is a basic guide to contribute to any project. I think that each repository should contain a separate contributing guide specific to that repository.
[06:33] <ibilalkayy> It will be helpful for the new contributors.
[06:33] <ibilalkayy> Thank you!
[07:12] <ibilalkayy> I didn't get the answer of the question that I asked sometime before
[08:19] <ibilalkayy> Hey there, I checked many repositories of the canonical organization on GitHub. Many of them were not having a contribution guide. Some of them had but they were just showing us that you should sign the contributing agreement license. I don't think that this is enough information to be provided in the contributing guide.
[08:19] <ibilalkayy> I went into many issues tabs also and they were directing us to https://opensource.guide/. This is a basic guide to contribute to any project. I think that each repository should contain a separate contributing guide specific to that repository.
[08:19] <ibilalkayy> It will be helpful for the new contributors.
[08:19] <ibilalkayy> Thank you!
[18:17] <David_Hedlund> How can I generate a default /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[21:53] <David_Hedlund> Where can I grab a default copy of /etc/apt/sources.list for Ubuntu 23.04?
[22:33] <David_Hedlund> To list all the repos from a default sources.list file I figured out that this can be used: source /etc/os-release; cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -A 1 ^deb | sed "s|^--||; s|$VERSION_CODENAME|\$VERSION_CODENAME|"


[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> in #ubuntu-bugs-announce im seeing bus related to mint, now this arises a question to me, does the ubuntu kernel team handle mint bugs too?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> *bugs
[08:13] <apw> lotuspsychje, if they are our actual kernel binaries we are interested in bug found; though we may not be able to tell if it is a 'different userspace' interaction in some cases to be sure
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> apw: but if ubuntu's kernel suffers a bug, does that mean that mint also suffers that bug?
[08:30] <apw> lotuspsychje_, i could not say for sure; if they have the same kernel likley yes
[08:30] <apw> but i know little to nothing about mint to be honest
[08:32] <lotuspsychje_> same here apw hence why it made me wonder...here's an example of what we saw bug #1854896
[08:33] <apw> lotuspsychje_, yeah it looks like one of the hardward related folk has asked for information and had none; jolly them into answering perhaps


[14:59] <cyphermox> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> \o
[15:00] <caribou> o/
[15:01] <chiluk> \o/
[15:01] <rbalint> |o/
[15:02] <robru>  /o/
[15:02] <barry> not sure if slangasek or gaughen will be here today?
[15:03] <gaughen> o/
[15:03] <gaughen> I'm here!
[15:03] <gaughen> ooh, do I need to do the shuffle
[15:03] <caribou> "Do the Harlem shuffle"
[15:04] <robru> yeah steve said he was having a sick baby emergency
[15:04] <gaughen> #startmeeting foundations
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr  6 15:04:39 2017 UTC.  The chair is gaughen.   It fixes the symptom not the problem. Unfortunately due to lack of a better solution it may be what we do going forward.
[15:05] <chiluk> - 4.4 Kernel XFS Stability on unstable devices.
[15:05] <chiluk> - Other not-yet launchpad worthy stuff...
[15:05] <chiluk> - done..
[15:05] <sil2100> - Landing team work, ticket release coordination
[15:05] <sil2100> - Regular SRU reviews
[15:05] <sil2100> - More kernel SRU reviews
[15:05] <sil2100> - Further work on getting rid of NBS binaries (blocked on autopilot FTBFS landing in trunk)
[15:05] <sil2100> - Working on/fixing zesty test-rebuild FTBFS (bamf, biometryd, unity-action-api, zeromq3, accounts-qml-module and more)
[15:05] <sil2100> - Reading up on python-flufl for u-i internationalization
[15:05] <sil2100> - Flight preparations
[15:05] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <barry> sil2100: for release sprint?
[15:06] <cyphermox> - netcfg: unbreak oem-config for resolvconf (LP: #1646585)
[15:06] <cyphermox> - slideshow: sponsor Lubuntu fixes and fix translations for Kylin.
[15:06] <cyphermox> - subiquity: rework livecd-rootfs changes, started ubuntu-cdimage work.
[15:06] <cyphermox> - netplan: unbreak autopkgtests
[15:06] <cyphermox> - ubiquity: debugging autopkgtest for a new build (netcfg + other fixes)
[15:06] <cyphermox> - reviewing a shim for signature.
[15:06] <cyphermox> - sponsored tbb for rbalint
[15:06] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:06] <caribou> Bugfix:
[15:06] <caribou> LP #1654600 : unattended-upgrades breaks shutdown when /var is FS
[15:06] <caribou>  - Found workaround for deg-systemd-helper debian bug #797108
[15:06] <caribou>  - Tested Trusty upgrade behavior
[15:07] <caribou>  LP: #1342580 : tftp does not start
[15:07] <caribou>  - SRU completed
[15:07] <caribou> Clamav stucked in zesty-proposed :Need AA's attendion on releasing
[15:07] <caribou> tomsfastmath into Main following MIR completion (LP: #1619239)
[15:07] <caribou> Dev:
[15:07] <caribou>  Sosreport 3.4 -Preparing Debian upload
[15:07] <caribou>  Sponsor LP: #1645324 - ebtables dragan
[15:07] <caribou>  Document SRU and development process for the team
[15:07] <caribou> Meetings
[15:07] <caribou> ☑ Done
[15:07] <robru> autopkgtest-cloud
[15:07] <robru> * figured out how to deploy locally
[15:07] <robru> * started on bug #1677331 (almost done, just need to finish off a couple details)
[15:07] <robru> bileto
[15:07] <robru> * some fixes around SRUs and britney
[15:07] <robru> click-apparmor
[15:07] <robru> * fix ftbfs in zesty
[15:07] <robru> (done)
[15:08] <barry> debuntu: LP: #1660216; LP: #1679807; LP: #1679837; LP: #1679842; python-babel; python-pika; py3.6 transition work (ftbfs; ppa; scripts) for aamazing aardvark
[15:08] <barry> ubuntu-image: still testing classic snap.  blocked on snapd clearing [xy]-proposed, but that should allow us to pass autopkgtests and get a working classic snap
[15:08] <barry> pycon: much planning for language summit & talk
[15:08] <barry> --done--
[15:08] <rbalint> * updated livecd-rootfs autopkgtest merge, would be nice to get it accepted:
[15:08] <rbalint>   https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/livecd-rootfs/livecd-rootfs-autopkgtest/+merge/321459
[15:08] <rbalint> * finished doc minimization after several attempts
[15:08] <rbalint>   https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/livecd-rootfs/minimize-doc/+merge/321330
[15:08] <rbalint>   #859646 still keeps a few dirs and links around
[15:09] <rbalint> * unblocking packages from update_excuses
[15:09] <rbalint>   LP: #1680169, LP: #1679792
[15:09] <rbalint>   other triaging which did not result bugs,
[15:09] <rbalint> * fixing analitza autopkgtest, needs bug but seems ready
[15:09] <rbalint> * sketched a new product idea to gaughen, it is not public yet
[15:09] <rbalint> EOF
[15:16] <barry> gaughen: i think that's it for the lightning round
[15:16] <gaughen> any other topics folks?
[15:17] <gaughen> or questions for folks?
[15:17] <gaughen> #endmeeting
[15:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr  6 15:17:33 2017 UTC.
[15:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-06-15.04.moin.txt
[15:17] <cyphermox> when is gdm3 going to work on my laptop?
[15:17] <caribou> thanks gaughen!
[15:18] <gaughen> np
[15:18] <robru> cyphermox: as soon as you make it
[15:18] <cyphermox> bleh
[15:24] <doko> gaughen: you skipped a few people ;-P
[15:24] <gaughen> pssh
[15:24] <gaughen> we were just too fast for you doko
[15:25] <cyphermox> it's a *lightning* round
[15:25] <doko> still used to Cuban slowless ...
[15:25] <doko> ... and queues
[15:25] <cyphermox> :D
[21:05] <chatter29> hey guys
[21:05] <chatter29> allah is doing
[21:05] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[21:05] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[21:59] <Kilos> hi clvx
[22:00] <clvx> Hi Kilos
[22:00] <clvx> How are you doing?
[22:00] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[22:01] <clvx> Doing fine and excited about the meeting.
[22:01] <Kilos> im trying to ping the members
[22:01] <clvx> ok
[22:01] <Kilos> its exciting hey
[22:01] <Kilos> i remember i was a ball of nerves
[22:02] <clvx> I am a little bit nervous too
[22:02] <Kilos> hehe dont be , no one bites
[22:03] <clvx> ;)
[22:05] <wxl> hey folks
[22:05] <clvx> Hi wxl
[22:05] <Kilos> hi wxl
[22:05] <marcoceppi> o/
[22:06] <tsimonq2> o/
[22:07] <ahoneybun> o/
[22:08] <Kilos> hi ahoneybun
[22:08] <ahoneybun> heyo Kilos
[22:08] <tsimonq2> I can chair unless anyone objects.
[22:08] <clvx> Hi all
[22:08]  * ahoneybun pokes clvx to join #ubuntu-us-fl
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Give me one sec to pull up the docs.
[22:09] <clvx> done
[22:10]  * ahoneybun slides tsimonq2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[22:10] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I appreciate it.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Ok, I see.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> #startmeeting 22 UTC Membership Board Meeting
[22:10] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr  6 22:10:26 2017 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[22:10] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[22:10] <ahoneybun> #chair tsimonq2
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Hello and welcome to the Membership Board meeting!
[22:10] <tsimonq2> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards. We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> #topic clvx
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Hi clvx, introduce yourself. :)
[22:11] <clvx> My name is Luis Michael Ibarra. I'm from Peru, but now I'm living in the States.  Why would I want to join Ubuntu as a contributor asked myself a few weeks back. At first, I thought .. hey it's Ubuntu, the most used distribution globally, but that didn't check out well in my mind. Then, I remembered the first time I was introduced to the Linux world. It was in a Linux conference sponsored by Red Hat
[22:11] <clvx> in a college in Lima. I was a college student in my first years at that moment. I loved Linux a lot, because of how much flexibility you can have with it. So, a friend of mine who was in that time a little more experienced installed in my desktop PC Fedora 1(I think). I started playing with gnome a lot, and learning a new world. Until that moment I was just a Windows XP user who programmed in Java.
[22:11] <clvx> After that, everything changed. I started asking many people over the years and gaining experience with a lot of screw ups using many distros. Until someday in late 2010 I tried Ubuntu after being a serious OpenSUSE user for many years. I found something reliable and simple. Little by little I started digging in the system and playing with it. I liked it a lot, because everything worked without a
[22:11] <clvx> hassle(not so true when you tried to connect to your wifi, but it was way better than the rest of distros).  Starting 2012 I got a job where Linux was my day today, and it's being like that since then. I gained a lot of experience with Linux. I gave talks about many things around technology and Linux. I asked about a lot of issues in IRC, forums and mailing lists related to Linux and Ubuntu. I was
[22:11] <clvx> answered about many of those issues.  I think becoming a formal contributor is more than contributing back, it's committing myself to keep helping others, so they can say THANKS MATE in return. A thank you that goes for each developer, contributor and person who helped me. I think those are the
[22:11] <clvx> reasons why I'd like to join Ubuntu as an official member.
[22:12] <clvx> My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Clvx
[22:12]  * ahoneybun drops jaw
[22:12] <clvx> yeap.. it was more than 5 lines.. =/
[22:12] <tsimonq2> That's fine. :)
[22:13] <clvx> These are my contributions: https://www.meetup.com/Docker-Lima/, https://github.com/clvx/openvpn, https://github.com/clvx/easy-rsa, https://github.com/clvx/ubuconla-lxd
[22:14] <ahoneybun> VPN stuff will be big in the states now
[22:14] <tsimonq2> Any questions for clvx then?
[22:15] <Kilos> why did you take so long to take this step clvx ?
[22:16] <clvx> I always being involved in tech communities, but I had to be sure with myself if this was something that I wanted to do. Hopefully, It is. Also, Jose Antonio Rey gave me a huge bump in my back to do it.
[22:17] <tsimonq2> clvx: Could you tell us a little more about UbuCon LA?
[22:17] <clvx> I've always been*
[22:18] <tsimonq2> clvx: And by that, I mean, your involvement with the conference.
[22:20] <clvx> yes.. I wasn't involved in the preparation of the event, in fact I just sent my talk to the organizers(in this case Jose), but during the event I joined the group, talked with peers and speaker, helped them with information around the city.
[22:21] <clvx> I also helped Jose(in that moment I barely knew him) to many little tasks that needed to be done to keep having a wonderful event.
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Ah, ok.
[22:22] <tsimonq2> Does anyone have any more questions for clvx before we vote?
[22:22] <ahoneybun> clvx: do you plan to join your LoCo at all?
[22:23] <clvx> I think there's a LoCo in Fort Laudardale, but I already met Chris(I don't recall his last name) at the Docker Orlando meetup and he's in my area. I'll contact him to make something interesting in the space coast. So, yes.
[22:24] <clvx> Fort Laudardale is a little bit far from where I am.
[22:24] <ahoneybun> I've met Chris
[22:24] <ahoneybun> yea I know we do stuff around that area and south
[22:25] <nzoueidi> o/ board and clvx
[22:25] <Kilos> you caught up nzoueidi ?
[22:26] <nzoueidi> Do you have links for LXD contributions?
[22:26] <clvx> I've moved in recently(no more than 2 months) I'm still trying to figuring this out in Florida.
[22:26] <ahoneybun> #voters tsimonq2 ahoneybun wxl Kilos nzoueidi
[22:26] <clvx> https://github.com/clvx/ubuconla-lxd, this one. I also used to contribute a lot in the lxccontainers mailing list(2014-2015).
[22:27] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: It didn't do anything. I'm working on it.
[22:27] <tsimonq2> #voters ahoneybun elacheche pleia2 jcastro Kilos nzoueidi tsimonq2 wxl
[22:27] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: elacheche
[22:27] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: jcastro
[22:27] <meetingology> Current voters: Kilos ahoneybun elacheche jcastro nzoueidi pleia2 tsimonq2 wxl
[22:27] <ahoneybun> right chair thing
[22:27] <tsimonq2> wxl is +1 fwiw
[22:28] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:28] <tsimonq2> Oh shoot
[22:28] <tsimonq2> #vote clvx's membership status
[22:28] <meetingology> Please vote on: clvx's membership status
[22:28] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:28] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:28] <Kilos> you gotta tell the bot first i think
[22:28] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[22:28] <tsimonq2> Kilos: Yep, got it. :)
[22:28] <Kilos> hehe
[22:28] <nzoueidi> +1 from me too, keep the good work clvx specially for LXD ;)
[22:28] <meetingology> +1 from me too, keep the good work clvx specially for LXD ;) received from nzoueidi
[22:29] <clvx> here are some more http://marc.info/?a=144182573700003&r=1&w=2
[22:29] <ahoneybun> +1 from me, join us around the Florida LoCo ;)
[22:29] <meetingology> +1 from me, join us around the Florida LoCo ;) received from ahoneybun
[22:29] <Kilos> +1 keep it up. and well done
[22:29] <meetingology> +1 keep it up. and well done received from Kilos
[22:30] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:30] <ahoneybun> #votesrequired 4
[22:30] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:30] <tsimonq2> #votesrequired 4
[22:30] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[22:30] <ahoneybun> there we go
[22:30] <tsimonq2> 4? Ok...
[22:30] <tsimonq2> #endvote
[22:30] <meetingology> Voting ended on: clvx's membership status
[22:30] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:30] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:30] <ahoneybun> well he got all +1s
[22:30] <clvx> \o/
[22:30] <tsimonq2> clvx: Congrats! :)
[22:30] <nzoueidi> Yep 4 is the quorum :)
[22:30] <ahoneybun> so either way he got membership
[22:31] <nzoueidi> Congrats clvx  :)
[22:31] <tsimonq2> clvx: Keep up the good work :)
[22:31] <tsimonq2> I'll announce in all the places and add him.
[22:31] <clvx> thanks a lot.. I will, that's the idea.
[22:31] <Kilos> congrats clvx and welcome on board
[22:31] <clvx> I'm so happy guys/ladies.
[22:31] <Kilos> good feeling hey
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Added to the team.
[22:32] <Kilos> ok guys thanks for attending and thanks for chairing tsimonq2
[22:32] <clvx> thanks Kilos, nzoueidi, tsimonq2, ahoneybun.. and to all the members =D
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Thanks :)
[22:32] <Kilos> i go crash
[22:32] <ahoneybun> #endmeeting
[22:32] <tsimonq2> #endmeeting
[22:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr  6 22:32:35 2017 UTC.
[22:32] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-06-22.10.moin.txt
[22:32] <ahoneybun> xD
[22:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: lol for the last time, you're not chair XD
[22:32] <ahoneybun> right
[22:33] <Kilos> yw clvx
[22:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:33] <tsimonq2> o/ Kilos
[22:33]  * ahoneybun flys off
[22:33] <clvx> night then.. I should be going.
[22:34] <tsimonq2> o/ clvx