[03:04] <CamelRider> hello
[03:05] <CamelRider> should  i install  19.10 or 18.04 my pc is really shitty but LXQT is supposed to be low on resources
[03:05] <guiverc> G'day CamelRider, if you have a Lubuntu support question please just ask it.  Try and keep to a single line, and please be patient waiting for response (we're busy testing 18.04.4, plus our 20.04 dev work)
[03:05] <CamelRider> understood
[03:05] <guiverc> CamelRider, sorry; give me a sec.
[03:06] <CamelRider> sidenote :i am currently running mint 19.2 Mate with 4.15.76 kernel but i still get ocassional freezes and it is generally slow
[03:07] <guiverc> If your machine is amd64 and you plan on using it far into the future, I'd recommend 19.10. It's a short-term release, but can upgrade to 20.04 when it's released which is a LTS.  Lubuntu 18.04 LTS will be EOL ni april-2021, and require re-install to move to LXQt thus my 19.10 suggestion.
[03:08] <guiverc> fyi: I tested LXQt on pentium M x86 laptops in 18.10/19.04 cycle (1gb ram, 1.6ghz cpu), LXQt is efficient !
[03:09] <CamelRider> my pc is 2gb ram and intel core 2 duo e7400
[03:09] <CamelRider> i was surprised when mint was slow  even after downgrading kernel
[03:10] <guiverc> I won't talk about mint, but your pc is like lenovo thinkpad sl510 (c2d-t6570, 2gb ram, i915) I use in testing, it'll run either 18.04 or 19.10
[03:10] <CamelRider> so you advice 19.10 for smoother upgrade to the new 20
[03:11] <CamelRider> which is already LXQT so no need to reinstall
[03:14] <guiverc> Yep..
[03:15] <CamelRider> great, off to try it, thanks alot
[03:15] <guiverc> You're most welcome.
[03:20] <CamelRider> one last question
[03:20] <CamelRider> I am currently dual booting win 10 and mint should i remove mint first or just overwrite during installation
[03:21] <CamelRider> like liveboot lubuntu and delete the mint partitions
[03:21] <CamelRider> they're ext4
[03:21] <guiverc> I would just overwrite Mint during install.  I usually use 'something else' or "Manual Partition" and select the partition I want (which also allows no-format, though in your case I would format unless you have reason not to)
[03:22] <guiverc> CamelRider, https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/Installing_lubuntu.html  is our manual page (sub-index) for Lubuntu 19.10
[03:23] <CamelRider> okay great
[03:24] <guiverc> CamelRider, I'd still backup first... we rarely if ever use them, but it's far better safe than sorry!!
[03:24] <CamelRider> i don't have that much to lose tbh
[03:25] <guiverc> :)
[07:25] <abdulrahman> hey everyone , alt tab is not working for me
[07:42] <guiverc> abdulraham, I'd suggest checking prefs -> LXQt settings -> Keyboard and mouse settings (you didn't provide release so I assumed 19.10) for wrong changes - see https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.14/shortcut_keys.html?highlight=keyboard%20shortcuts
[18:55] <nmzm> Hello everyone. I have an issue with lubuntu on my laptop. I've installed the old version(16.04) because my laptop is too old, but the OS is freezing after start or is working really slow(For example, like 5 FPS in games)
[18:55] <nmzm> Do I need to install something like intel firmware or anything else?
[18:56] <nmzm> And no, I can't even just launch any game, 5 FPS was just an example how my system work
[18:57] <wxl> well 16.04 isn't supported by lubuntu
[18:57] <wxl> 18.04 is, and is roughly similar to 16.04
[18:58] <wxl> what's this freezing like?
[18:59] <nmzm> Well, it's more looking like when you move your mouse cursor and see how it's moving like -> 5 PX - stop. another 5 PX - stop. And so on
[19:00] <wxl> how much ram you have?
[19:01] <nmzm> I've tried 18.04 and there was another issue, when the screensaver was active, I wasn't able to turn it off, no idea why and the only way was to reboot the laptop. The fun fact, that this laptop runs windows 10 before O_o 4 GB of RaM
[19:01] <wxl> that screensaver issue is easy to solve
[19:02] <nmzm> And that's why I'm asking, I don't think that it can't run lubuntu(Even lubuntu 19)
[19:02] <nmzm> Hmm, how?
[19:02] <wxl> i could show you how to turn it off XD
[19:02] <nmzm> You mean in the settings just turn it off? :D
[19:03] <wxl> more or less
[19:04] <nmzm> I'm thinking that I need to try to install intel firmware packages and maybe this will solve the issues with perfomance
[19:04] <nmzm> But not sure..
[19:06] <wxl> i'm thinking more likely related to display driver issues
[19:06] <wxl> in any case newer supported software is better
[19:06] <wxl> i.e. use 18.04
[19:06] <wxl> what cpu is this?
[19:06] <nmzm> Intel Core-i3 2.4 GHz, and the built-in gpu intel HD graphics
[19:07] <wxl> i mean that's not really "old" in the scheme of things
[19:07] <wxl> that should easily handle 19.10
[19:08] <nmzm> Hmm, I'll try, but was a little bit afraid of installing 19.10, because saw perfomance on 16.04 which is the way older
[19:08] <wxl> i would expect old outdated software to work less well than newer software
[19:08] <nmzm> Ok, then I'll try 19.10, hope it will work smooth, thanks, wxl
[19:09] <wxl> @franksmcb if you had used `ubuntu-bug` we would have had that problem :)
[22:24] <abdulrahman> hey everyone , is anyone using the whatsapp app on lubuntu ?
[22:24] <abdulrahman> is it safe ?
[22:25] <wxl> no
[22:25] <wxl> unless you trust facebook with your data
[22:32] <abdulrahman> no i know facebook owns whatsapp
[22:32] <abdulrahman> i already use it and no i don't trust facebook
[22:33] <wxl> then i wouldn't use it!
[22:33] <abdulrahman> I meant the app in discover
[22:33] <abdulrahman> it says "unofficial"
[22:33] <wxl> hm
[22:33] <wxl> it's probably a snap
[22:34] <abdulrahman> oh wait it is not even on discover
[22:34] <abdulrahman> it was on the software manager in my previous distro
[22:34] <wxl> X'D
[22:34] <abdulrahman> sad reacts
[22:35] <akemhp> You can use the web version.
[22:35] <akemhp> web.whatsapp.com IIRC, it works fine.
[22:36] <abdulrahman> it does, i wanted a desktop app tho
[22:36] <wxl> there IS an unofficial client called whatsdesk
[22:36] <wxl> unofficial meaning it's not from whatsapp but it likely uses their api
[22:37] <wxl> kind of like there are twitter clients that twitter doesn't make
[22:37] <abdulrahman> aha
[22:37] <akemhp> abdulrahman, Why do you need desktop app?
[22:38] <abdulrahman> i have a toaster pc and i want to use whatsapp without the browser
[22:38] <akemhp> Ok.
[22:40] <abdulrahman> btw i am dualbooting win 10 and Lubuntu ,if i wanted to remove win 10 should reinstall lubuntu ?
[22:41] <wxl> naw you should be able to expand the partition
[22:41] <abdulrahman> so just delete the Win partition and expand ?
[22:42] <wxl> basically, yeah
[22:42] <wxl> you'll need to use the live media to do that
[22:42] <wxl> you generally can't resize a partition you're using
[22:42] <abdulrahman> aha


[06:03] <cpaelzer> Laney: (or anyone else who can) about cancelling tests - please cancel this regexp '\\n{"triggers": \["perl/5.30.3-1"\]'
[06:04] <cpaelzer> there is a 5.30.3-2 in groovy-proposed now so all old tests will be retried and running the other ~7k that are left is a waste of time I'd think
[06:10] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: "enyc, will do eventually :)" -> Thankyou =) I can personally confirm the difference with 6.1.6 to 6.1.8 debian version for example...
[06:11] <LocutusOfBorg> enyc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/virtualbox-hwe/+bug/1882106
[06:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I also added a new patch on top of 6.1.8
[06:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll ask you to test, once somebody accepts the upload from the queue :)
[06:13] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: hrrm don't have directly installed 20.04's myself, they are other way round inside vm AT the moment!  but that may change =)
[06:17] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: i note, too, 5.2.34 and ubuntu 18.04 ... might warrant update to cope with  HWE kernel in time,   maybe maybe-not ...
[06:21] <LocutusOfBorg> enyc, I'll do it too
[06:29] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: more to the point, for supporting virtualizing newer linux ontop of bionic.  Note 5.2 supported upstream until next month.
[06:30] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: any newer 5.2-18.04 i'd be in good positon to test tbh
[07:09] <LocutusOfBorg> bionic won't have any new kernel anymore, so 5.2.48 or whatever will be the last one, specially because 6.0 is a no-go (amd64 only, I don't want to drop i386 support on bionic)
[07:10] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: yes, but it can provide guest-additions to  a newer-kernel  guest-os
[07:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm talking about host, not guest
[07:11] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: I know you are =)   uerr sorry not so waake here!
[07:12] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[07:14]  * LocutusOfBorg grabs some coffee too
[09:52] <xnox> vorlon:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8yXvy48SRy/ => i do not see DEB_HOST_ARCH=i386
[09:52] <xnox> that's from procenv autopkgtest
[09:52] <xnox><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nvidia-cuda-toolkit [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/multiverse) [10.1.243-5ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[10:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nvidia-cuda-toolkit [amd64] (groovy-proposed/multiverse) [10.1.243-5ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> please reject nvidia-cuda-toolkit new binaries on ppc64el and amd64 ^^
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> new upload will come
[10:22] <LocutusOfBorg> (from Graham, we need different binaries in Ubuntu)
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> can any archive-admin please NBS-proposed cleanup "erlang-guestfs" (from src:libguestfs) thanks
[11:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wiki2beamer [amd64] (groovy-proposed/none) [0.9.5-2] (no packageset)
[13:10] <oSoMoN> can someone on the release team please ack https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-i386-badtests/+merge/385113 ?
[13:24] <blackboxsw> tjaalton:  if around today and available cloudinit has an unapproved upload queued an sru for X B E and F releases per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1881018
[13:24] <tjaalton> blackboxsw: ok
[13:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mozjs68 (focal-proposed/main) [68.6.0-1ubuntu1 => 68.9.0-1~ubuntu20.04.1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[13:43] <Trevinho> apw: hey, had any time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-archive-tools/sru-review-bileto-support/+merge/364193 ?
[13:43] <Trevinho> I did the change you requested me long time ago
[14:11] <tjaalton> blackboxsw: each one has two uploads, which one to pick?
[14:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (focal-proposed) [2.20.11-0ubuntu27.3]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-manager [source] (focal-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-manager [source] (eoan-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-manager [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (bionic-proposed) [20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (eoan-proposed) [20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~19.10.1]
[15:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1019.21~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-1019.21~18.04.1]
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> So, with 20.04.1 coming up in just under 2 months, I want to figure out why our focal dailies are failing. Something about it installing two kernels and livecd-rootfs freaking out?
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> (Studio)
[16:41] <blackboxsw> tjaalton: ahh missed that,  checking diffs, I may have accidentally uploaded the same bits twice
[16:41] <blackboxsw> tjaalton: bionic is 0.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~18.04.1
[16:42] <blackboxsw> make that 20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~18.04.1
[16:42] <blackboxsw> please  avoid any 20.2=-38
[16:42] <blackboxsw> xenial: 20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~16.04.1
[16:43] <blackboxsw> eoan: 20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~19.10.1
[16:44] <blackboxsw> tjaalton: and focal was the one I mistakenly uploaded the same content twice https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=cloud-init
[16:44] <blackboxsw> either one works, that patch diff is the same
[16:44] <blackboxsw>  	20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~20.04.1
[16:46] <blackboxsw> so rejecting any 20.2-38 cloud-init is desired
[17:31] <Laney> cpaelzer: done (late, I was on PTO today)
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (focal-proposed/main) [3.36.2-1ubuntu1~20.04.1 => 3.36.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[17:44] <tjaalton> blackboxsw: I've rejected the dupes
[17:45] <tjaalton> and old ones
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (bionic-proposed) [20.2-38-g8377897b-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (focal-proposed) [20.2-45-g5f7825e2-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (eoan-proposed) [20.2-38-g8377897b-0ubuntu1~19.10.1]
[18:07] <xnox> ubuntu-archive please process unsual manual uploads removals https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=rm-signed
[18:08] <xnox> should NBS report be extended to report on signed things?
[18:08] <blackboxsw> thanks tjaalton
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (focal-proposed/main) [3.36.2-1ubuntu1~20.04.1 => 3.36.3-1ubuntu1~20.04.2] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[18:31] <apw> xnox: that is not an archive-admin thing that needs deeper access. vorlon ^
[18:35] <xnox> apw:  some AAs have that =)
[18:35] <xnox> but i don't know which
[19:06] <cpaelzer> thanks Laney
[19:47] <vorlon> apw: on vacation this week
[19:48] <vorlon> xnox: how are you checking the environment?  The DEB_HOST_ARCH is definitely set on i386 autopkgtests
[21:35] <blackboxsw> tjaalton: I wan't sure if there was a followup plan for approving 20.2-45 for cloud-init on xenial, bionic, eoan and focal  after rejecting the previous uploads?
[21:36] <blackboxsw> I'd expect an EOW there as it's 12 or 1am local time
[21:38] <blackboxsw> vorlon: not sure if you'll have time today to peek at the cloud-init unapproved queue for SRU X, B, E and F. we're looking to get official verification going on the cloud-init binaries version 20.2-45 for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1881018
[21:38] <vorlon> blackboxsw: nope, on PTO today
[21:38] <blackboxsw> ahh good man.
[21:38] <blackboxsw> will hit folks up Monday. have a good one :)
[21:39]  * blackboxsw misread the prior message to a-p-w
[22:25] <Eickmeyer> So, with 20.04.1 coming up in just under 2 months, I want to figure out why our focal dailies are failing. Something about it installing two kernels and livecd-rootfs freaking out?
[23:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: wiki2beamer [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.10.0-1] (no packageset)
[23:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: php-horde [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [5.2.21+debian1-1] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hera [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0~git20200602+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hera [arm64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0~git20200602+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[23:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hera [armhf] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0~git20200602+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hera [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0~git20200602+dfsg-1] (no packageset)


[01:03] <menn0> wallyworld or axw: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7512 pls
[01:03] <wallyworld> sure, will do straight after standup
[01:23] <wallyworld> menn0: lgtm, really great that this ForModel stuff is going away
[01:24] <menn0> wallyworld: thank you
[01:25] <wallyworld> axw: i forgit to ask you about bug 1680523 - could the issue the user is still having be cause he might need to upgrade to 2.2?
[01:25] <mup> Bug #1680523: add-credential azure fails <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680523>
[01:28] <axw> wallyworld: the latest reporter, Ali, is using 2.2 - you can tell by the "subscription (optional)" in the output
[01:29] <axw> wallyworld: I have no idea why that issue is happening
[01:29] <wallyworld> ok
[01:31] <wallyworld> axw: is there any way we can ask him to provide azure cli logs or something, to allow us to see what might be happening or to pass on to ms if we need help diagnosing?
[01:32] <axw> wallyworld: we got as much logging as we could from Tommy who had the same issue, and that wasn't helpful
[01:32] <wallyworld> damn, ok
[01:33] <axw> wallyworld: I've provided him a workaround for now. I've already asked MS for help, but so far they haven't come back with anything
[01:33] <wallyworld> ok
[01:33] <axw> I'll see if Uros can poke them
[05:06] <menn0> jam: I'm back from the doc and need to take care of dinner and the kids so I can't make stand up
[05:06] <menn0> jam: my wife is quite sick
[05:06] <menn0> jam: I'll jump back on later though
[05:06] <jam> menn0: k, take care of the family
[05:25] <jam> menn0: will you be around for 1:1? or just later tonight/
[05:28] <jam> I'm going to assume you're busy, but you can ping me if you're not
[05:28] <jam> I'm happy to meet with you whenever you're around
[10:38] <menn0> jam: i'm around now. it turns out my son has it too now.
[10:43] <jam> menn0: but not the rest?
[10:44] <menn0> jam: well my daughter had it when we were on holidays and I've had it as a child, so that's everyone I guess
[10:47] <jam> menn0: full house... :)
[10:47] <jam> menn0: so I have another phone call in 15, I'm happy to chat now, or if you'll still be around, in ~1hr?
[10:47] <menn0> jam: indeed.
[10:48] <menn0> jam: babbageclunk's family stayed with us over the weekend so hopefully they don't get it
[10:48] <jam> menn0: my son was vaccinated for it when he was young, but it did make rounds around his school a couple years ago
[10:48] <menn0> jam: it isn't part of the UK or NZ schedule
[10:48] <menn0> jam: ironically it will be in NZ as of next week
[10:49] <menn0> jam: regarding your comment here: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7513
[10:50] <jam> menn0: I was wondering if we would actually want to change ForModel to just be "grab it from the pool"
[10:50] <menn0> jam: that's not so straight forward
[10:51] <menn0> jam: the only StatePool exists on apiserver
[10:51] <jam> ah ok
[10:51] <menn0> jam: I'm +1 on the name change though
[10:51] <menn0> jam: StatePool *calls* ForModel when it needs to create a new one
[10:52] <menn0> jam: I believe axw is pulling up the apiserver's StatePool so it can be used more widely by other controller workers
[10:52] <menn0> jam: I actually wanted to discuss your comment about forward porting
[10:53] <menn0> jam: I'm not against the idea of mass merging 2.2 into develop
[10:53] <menn0> jam: my main concern is, that's a departure what we've usually done
[10:53] <menn0> jam: who owns making sure that the merge happens?
[10:58] <jam> menn0: its what we did (I did maybe primarily) for 2.0 to 2.1
[10:58] <jam> I think Ian did some as well
[10:58] <jam> menn0: Its mostly that when you land something on 2.2 is the point where you then merge it up
[10:58] <jam> rather than someone doing it async, we just do it as part of landing your full patch
[11:02] <menn0> jam: who do you mean when you say "we"?
[11:03] <jam> menn0: each person when they work on something that lands in 2.2 then merges 2.2 into develop rather than proposing a different branch to develop
[11:04] <menn0> jam: ok fair enough
[11:30] <jam> menn0: I'm off the phone if you'd like to chat
[11:33] <menn0> jam: sure, give me 2 mins
[11:34] <menn0> jam: actually, make that 10
[11:34] <jam> k
[11:42] <menn0> jam: ok
[11:42] <jam> menn0: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/john-menno?authuser=1
[21:19] <thumper> FYI, taking swap day today
[21:20] <veebers> thumper: glad to see you made it home safe, finally
[21:21] <thumper> it was a long trip that's for sure
[21:21] <thumper> I'm not really here
[21:21] <thumper> :)


[00:58] <vbabiy> Hey guys got another question I just asked ubuntuone to sync my music folder which is almost 10gigs I did it about 10mins and the upload has not yet started. does it wait till something finishes on the backend?
[01:13] <vbabiy> well I think I figured it out; it looks like it is first creating all the directories on the server
[01:16] <beuno> vbabiy, right, it creates the structure first, then queues them up for upload
[01:17] <beuno> you going to try out or shiny new music streaming?   :)
[01:18] <vbabiy> Already have with the bought music and love it
[01:18] <vbabiy> not adding my music lib
[01:20] <beuno> awesome
[01:20] <vbabiy> now you guys need to add a interface for view photos and I will upload my photo lib
[01:21] <vbabiy> :)
[01:21] <beuno> vbabiy, I heard rumors that something like that will happen in the near future  ;)
[01:21] <vbabiy> awesome, beuno are you on the ubuntu one team?
[01:21] <beuno> vbabiy, maybe
[01:21] <vbabiy> lol
[01:21] <beuno> I'm tired from the release  :)
[01:22] <vbabiy> hey do you if I add rating to bought music do they sync to ubuntu one
[01:22] <vbabiy> the stuff that is in .ubuntuon
[01:22] <beuno> ah, we're not scanning ratings at the moment
[01:22] <beuno> but, file a bug for it
[01:22] <beuno> it's something totally worth adding
[01:22] <vbabiy> what about for my upload lib
[01:22] <beuno> I'll make sure it's part of the next cycle of metadata changes we do
[01:23] <beuno> right now we are not extracting ratings when we scan mp3s at all
[01:23] <beuno> just the basics
[01:23] <beuno> now, I'm going to run away to dinner!
[01:23] <vbabiy> ah okay, enjoy
[01:24] <beuno> thanks  :)
[06:22] <mrandrzejak> hi all. i am getting a .conflict error on some folders & files. any way to fix this? Im running maverick.
[06:23] <duanedesign> hello mrandrzejak
[06:24] <mrandrzejak> hi duane
[06:24] <mrandrzejak> i was excited to purchase the 20GB extra,but still i see the .conflict errors
[06:25] <mrandrzejak> i only see the .conflict errors on the computer that downloaded the files
[06:25] <duanedesign> those usually happen when a file is edited on two computers at the same time. Or
[06:26] <duanedesign> mrandrzejak: are these files that you uploaded through the web interface?
[06:26] <mrandrzejak> i had 3gb here at home and went to work this morning and proceeded to download (sync) all the files. some folders and files had those errors
[06:26] <mrandrzejak> all via ubuntuone app
[06:27] <duanedesign> oh i see. You added a new computer
[06:27] <mrandrzejak> yes
[06:28] <mrandrzejak> I also notice right now it says "sync complete" but there are still sync icons on some folders
[06:30] <vbabiy> I have also noticed the sync icons after its done with the sync
[06:30] <vbabiy> hey beuno said that ubuntuone is not extracting rating what is it extracting
[06:30] <vbabiy> from mp3s
[06:32] <duanedesign> mrandrzejak: what type of files are showing up as conflicts? are they just text files, pictures, or are they something like LaTex files or bzr branches?
[06:32] <mrandrzejak> within those folders shown as still syncing,the files themselves are done and checkmarked
[06:33] <mrandrzejak> duanedesign - a mix of files, mostly image files if i recall.
[06:33] <mrandrzejak> do i delete the .conflict stuff?
[06:33] <duanedesign> mrandrzejak: a neat command i use a lot is: u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[06:34] <duanedesign> and u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[06:34] <mrandrzejak> what does it do? :)
[06:34] <duanedesign> if you are curious if any  items are still remaining to sync
[06:34] <mrandrzejak> ahh
[06:34] <mrandrzejak> 0
[06:34] <duanedesign> it will show the number of metadata and content items remaining in queue
[06:35] <mrandrzejak> i'll have to try it at work tomorrow too, thanks
[06:36] <duanedesign> mrandrzejak: the .conflict items are ignored as far as further syncing. Look at the original and the .conflict and decide which is the one you want to keep
[06:36] <duanedesign> if you want to keep the .conflict, throw away the original and rename the .conflict file
[06:36] <duanedesign> or vice-versa
[06:37] <mrandrzejak> online at ubuntuone.com i do not see any .conflict problems
[06:38] <mrandrzejak> is there a ppa available? or do i already have the best release?
[06:40] <duanedesign> mrandrzejak: there is a nighlies ppa
[06:42] <mrandrzejak> ok thanks for the help!
[08:55] <mahen> hi
[08:55] <duanedesign> hello mahen
[08:55] <mahen> hello duane
[09:25] <rye> duanedesign, hi
[09:25] <rye> duanedesign, shhhh - http://blog.rtg.in.ua/2010/10/have-you-seen-my-weather-applet.html
[09:26] <rye> and hello mahen who has left before asking anything...
[09:28] <duanedesign> rye: awesome
[09:28] <duanedesign> rye: i started to look over the code yesterday...got sidetracked
[09:29] <duanedesign> rye: hopefully i will get a chance today
[09:29] <rye> duanedesign, suddenly Ubuntu One is not that fast when you get the real numbers, now I have live figures to poke developers with :)
[09:29] <duanedesign> hehe, i am sure they will love that ;)
[09:30] <rye> duanedesign, content upload estimated time is coming soon. Metadata queue processing is already estimated.
[09:30] <duanedesign> i have spent the last 30 minutes trying to implement a liststore (or table) with colored rows in pygtk.
[09:31] <rye> duanedesign, no, i am not really ready to build something more than gtk.Dialog with gtk.Label. Indicator menu was pretty easy though
[09:33] <duanedesign> i think i am on the right track. I am makeing an open source implementation of the 'password card generator'
[09:35] <duanedesign> rye: i think that applet is going to be very popular
[09:44] <rye> duanedesign, thanks.
[10:44] <psypher246> rye, duanedesign, u guys there?
[10:44] <rye> psypher246, i am here
[10:44] <psypher246> hey dude. i figure out a way, i think to have encrypted folders in u1 folder
[10:46] <psypher246> but i am still failing to understand why it takes so long to process the data and start uploading. facundobatista said it takes 2 seconds or so to process a file, but I don't get why it has to take 2 seconds. surely you can do tons of processes  in a second with a modern cpu?
[10:50] <rye> psypher246, this is due the network roundtrip. Every request is sent separately resulting in a massive overhead. E.g. even 1 kb file will take ~1 second due to protocol design which will be changed, I was assured earlier...
[10:51] <psypher246> awesome, glad to hear, will persevere, thanks. have to re-upload everything now into encrypted folder, but it seems to be working :D
[11:24] <rye> now i know why ubuntuone-client is created from two branches, one for the code and one for debian/ directory... building for different series becomes quite an interesting thing when everything is in one place
[11:35]  * rye needs to pick a name for indicator project - ubuntuone-indicator is blocked, anybody feels fluffycloud-indicator is a really bad name?
[11:41] <duanedesign> rye: hmm. is cloud-indicator too generic..
[11:42] <rye> duanedesign, yeah, too generic... I just don't want to pollute the global namespace with playground project names..
[11:42] <duanedesign> one-indicator, onedicator :)
[11:45] <rye> duanedesign, one-indicator, hm - yes, don't know with what it can clash in future, it is free and not blocked by lp admins so it is just one click away. 5 minutes more for thinking and I will have my first launchpad project! :)
[11:46] <duanedesign> rye: nice. I <3 launchpad for project hosting
[11:47] <rye> duanedesign, i just feel very guilty of hacking up the packaging that way, but I promise I will make it better
[11:47] <duanedesign> i just pulled the most recent revision :)
[12:34]  * vds is away: di cosmo's talk
[12:45] <rye> https://launchpad.net/one-indicator - ok, basic stuff done, now back to Ubuntu One support...
[14:36] <mahen> hi
[14:54] <rye> mahen, hi
[15:47] <vbabiy> Hey is there a way to add ubuntu one as indicator to know when it is syncing?
[15:50] <nessita> rye: ^ :-)
[15:51] <rye> nessita, :-)
[15:51] <rye> vbabiy, what release are you running?
[15:51] <vbabiy> nightly
[15:51] <vbabiy> on one box an what ever is the default in 10.10 on another
[15:55] <rye> vbabiy, ok, you can download a very early alpha version for maveric from my public file - this is described at http://blog.rtg.in.ua/2010/10/have-you-seen-my-weather-applet.html and the updated file is http://files.lappyfamily.net/ubuntuone-indicator_0.0.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[15:56] <rye> vbabiy, i am in the process of creating a proper project for that - after installation it should appear in Application menu under Other category (will fix that later too). This is not an official Ubuntu One project though.
[15:56] <vbabiy> ah, well it should be that is awesome thanks
[16:33] <duffydack> just seen this, nice. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/ubuntu-one-indicator-applet-puts-sync-status-back-into-view/
[16:37] <duanedesign> rye: lol, that didn't take long^
[16:37] <duffydack> just needs a package for lucid :)
[16:38] <rye> duffydack, that will be done
[16:59] <zylogz80> Is there any way for me to see exactly what ubuntu one is working on syncing? I bought the mobile service and 20gb and am trying to sync my music. it created the full folder structure up on ubuntu one but I don't see it actually uploading files
[17:01] <beuno> zylogz80, hi
[17:01] <beuno> rye, ^
[17:01] <zylogz80> beuno, hello
[17:02] <beuno> zylogz80, there are a few ways of looking at what's on the queue
[17:02] <beuno> are you on maverick or lucid?
[17:03] <zylogz80> beuno, maverick
[17:03] <mrandrzejak> Hello! How long does it take for UbuntuOne to connect after turning on the computer? Ive had my system on a good 30 minutes now and it still shows as disconnected. Restarting or Connecting UbuntuOne doesnt do anything.
[17:03] <mrandrzejak> Im on Maverick.
[17:03] <beuno> zylogz80, install "magicicada"
[17:03] <beuno> mrandrzejak, it takes secnds
[17:03] <zylogz80> beuno, installing...
[17:04] <mrandrzejak> It took seconds to find my account info on the UbuntuOne account tab, but U1 wont connect.
[17:04] <zylogz80> beuno, ooooh interesting
[17:05] <beuno> mrandrzejak, let me see if we can get our support guy, rye, in here
[17:05] <beuno> zylogz80, things looking good?
[17:05] <mrandrzejak> thanks. rye helped me delete my old U1 acct info from lucid and reconnect my acct here on maverick.
[17:06] <mrandrzejak> great tip about magicicada beuno! thanks
[17:06] <zylogz80> beuno, well I can't really tell. I can see files in queue but I can't tell if it's actually doing anything. my network monitor shows no outgoing traffic
[17:06] <rye> mrandrzejak, hi, you may be experiencing bug #651237, lets try to clean up the installation first so that it won't take that long to start
[17:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651237 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "ubuntuone-launch fails to start syncdaemon if dbus call times out (affects: 1) (heat: 487)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651237
[17:06] <beuno> zylogz80, how many files have you marked for syncing?
[17:06] <zylogz80> beuno, just shy of 2000
[17:06] <mrandrzejak> great, thanks
[17:07] <rye> zylogz80, alternatively you can install http://ubuntuone.com/p/JAc/, run it from APplications/Other/Ubuntu One Indicator and it should show you some  basic info
[17:07] <beuno> rye, any ideas what could be making zylogz80's sync slow to start?
[17:08] <rye> beuno, yes, bug #651237 is not fixed atm, I submitted a branch but Chipaca did not like it so it is postponed and I can not set desktop+ the owner of that bug report. That's our beloved startup DBus timeout
[17:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651237 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "ubuntuone-launch fails to start syncdaemon if dbus call times out (affects: 1) (heat: 487)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651237
[17:09] <mrandrzejak> beuno... what does the U1 indicator do?
[17:09] <Chipaca> rye: I'm going to wave your branch into stable for an sru, and figure out the right way for n
[17:10] <rye> mrandrzejak, indicator is my side project, don't tell anyone from Ubuntu One team that i've done that :)  - see http://blog.rtg.in.ua/2010/10/have-you-seen-my-weather-applet.html
[17:11] <kklimonda> rye: that's too late, it has been posted on OMG! Ubuntu ;)
[17:11] <mrandrzejak> rye .. i installed magicicada and clicked connect andf now U1 is syncing
[17:11] <mrandrzejak> privet rye :)
[17:12] <zylogz80> rye, so based on the ubuntu one indicator applet it appears that I am currently syncing metadata and the count of metadata items to be synched does appear to be going down over time
[17:12] <zylogz80> rye, If I am reading it correctly
[17:12] <rye> zylogz80, it should show you the estimated time for metadata too
[17:12] <mrandrzejak> i thought there was an U1 indicator on the early releases of U1
[17:13] <zylogz80> rye, it varies wildly. I'll keep an eye out and see what happens when it finished the metadata. thanks very much.
[17:13] <karni> mrandrzejak: there was.
[17:19] <mrandrzejak> ubuntuone-indicator doesnt seem to work on maverick
[17:20] <rye> mrandrzejak, what does it do for you?
[17:20] <mrandrzejak> it does not appear on the panel
[17:21] <rye> mrandrzejak, could you please run it from the terminal?
[17:21] <mrandrzejak> trying it now
[17:22] <rye> mrandrzejak, it is pretty early package so I could have omitted a critical dependency
[17:22] <mrandrzejak> rye -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/508898/
[17:22] <rye> wooow
[17:23] <mrandrzejak> possibly because my U1 wont connect
[17:23] <rye> mrandrzejak, ok, i need a lot of error handling
[17:23] <rye> mrandrzejak, ok, let's try running ubuntuone-syncdaemon directly - /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon  - does that work (from terminal)
[17:24] <mrandrzejak> so i have been online for 38 min, and U1 will not connect
[17:24] <mrandrzejak> usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[17:24] <mrandrzejak> sorry
[17:24] <mrandrzejak> bash: usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon: No such file or directory
[17:24] <mrandrzejak> i get that error
[17:25] <mrandrzejak> ohh i need the /
[17:25] <mrandrzejak> another instance is running
[17:26]  * rye reads the backlog properly
[17:27] <rye> mrandrzejak, does u1sdtool --status work ?
[17:27] <mrandrzejak> its trying. very slow
[17:27] <mrandrzejak> Oops, an error ocurred:
[17:28] <rye> mrandrzejak, ok, dbus error
[17:28] <mrandrzejak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/508901/
[17:28] <rye> mrandrzejak, how many files do you have in your Ubuntu One folders? rough number
[17:28] <mrandrzejak> looks like similar error as the indicator
[17:29] <rye> mrandrzejak, yes, it cannot get status as well, but segfault is interesting
[17:31] <mrandrzejak> "u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l" tells me i have 1 item waiting
[17:31] <mrandrzejak> "u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l" sates zero items
[17:34] <rye> mrandrzejak, if waiting-content is available then u1sdtool --status should work too, could you please retry it?
[17:34] <mrandrzejak> it now says READY
[17:35] <mrandrzejak> connection: Not User With Network
[17:35] <mrandrzejak>     description: ready to connect
[17:35] <mrandrzejak>     is_connected: False
[17:35] <mrandrzejak>     is_error: False
[17:35] <mrandrzejak>     is_online: False
[17:35] <mrandrzejak>     queues: WORKING_ON_CONTENT
[17:35] <mrandrzejak> UbuntuOne Preferences shows "disconnected"
[17:35] <rye> mrandrzejak, now you can run magicicada or the indicator and click connect
[17:37] <mrandrzejak> i started your indicator and clicked connect
[17:37] <mrandrzejak> syncronizing content
[17:37] <mrandrzejak> 901 files to go and counting down!
[17:37] <rye> Chipaca, we might need to rate-limit QuotaExceeded signals. As far as I understand we send this signal e.g. every time file upload is resumed leading to a crazy gnome-config-daemon behavior
[17:38] <mrandrzejak> do you know how to fix the fact it would not start connect at all?
[17:38] <rye> mrandrzejak, could you please pastebin the output of u1sdtool --list-folders ?
[17:40] <mrandrzejak> should i do that while its syncing?
[17:41] <rye> mrandrzejak, it is not intrusive
[17:41] <mrandrzejak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/508911/
[17:41] <mrandrzejak> 650 files to go
[17:41] <rye> mrandrzejak, ok, could you please run "find ~/Ubuntu\ One | wc -l" ?
[17:42] <mrandrzejak> 11957
[17:43] <rye> mrandrzejak, ok, you have 11957 nodes in Ubuntu One which takes more than a while on startup, let's see whether we can speed up that a little
[17:43] <rye> mrandrzejak, could you please run "find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm/ -type d -empty | wc -l"
[17:44] <mrandrzejak> output is: 201
[17:48] <mrandrzejak> 60 files to go
[17:49] <mrandrzejak> sync complete
[17:51] <rye> mrandrzejak, eh, 201 items do not make much difference
[17:51] <mrandrzejak> 201 was the output of your request
[17:51] <mrandrzejak> mrandrzejak, could you please run "find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm/ -type d -empty | wc -l"
[17:51] <mrandrzejak> answer was: 201
[17:53] <mrandrzejak> i have some .conflict errors in the UbuntuOne folder
[17:53] <mrandrzejak> can i just delete those?
[18:00] <mrandrzejak> I am very thankful for the U1 indicator! spaciba!
[18:03] <mrandrzejak> do u know why my U1 does not connect at startup?
[18:22] <duanedesign> bug  651237
[18:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651237 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "ubuntuone-launch fails to start syncdaemon if dbus call times out (affects: 2) (heat: 391)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651237
[18:23] <mrandrzejak> i marked that it affects me
[18:24] <duanedesign> mrandrzejak: :)
[18:24] <mrandrzejak> do you think anything we did just now, might help my problem connecting?
[18:25] <mrandrzejak> im thinking of rebooting to see what happens next
[18:27] <rye> mrandrzejak, re: spaciba - pozhaluysta :)
[18:27] <rye> mrandrzejak, re: did just now - yes, we waited
[18:28] <mrandrzejak> what about on boot? i dont want to wait 38 minutes next time. :)
[18:30] <zylogz80> OK, so after it finished synching metadata it started synching content. It got a bit of they ways in and just appeared to stop. there's been no outgoing traffic for almost an hour. is this normal? does it tar up batches of files and upload that or something?
[18:34] <zylogz80> iotop shows no disk activity
[18:34] <duanedesign> zylogz80: if you get if you run the command: u1sdtool -s
[18:35] <zylogz80> duanedesign, http://paste.ubuntu.com/508949/
[18:36] <duanedesign> zylogz80: hmm, how about: u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[18:36] <zylogz80> duanedesign, 1910
[18:41] <duanedesign> zylogz80: it does look like the service has slowed a bit. I am only getting a 500b upload at the moment.
[18:43] <zylogz80> duanedesign, i had made progress for the first 80 or 90 files but at this point it appears to be doing nothing. no network or disk IO and no CPU. It looks like it is stalled on my end.
[18:45] <duanedesign> zylogz80: ok. yeah mine has picked up
[18:46] <mrandrzejak> ive rebooted and U1 status remains at "unknown"
[18:46] <mrandrzejak> indicator works fine and comes on at bootup (i added to startup list)
[18:47] <zylogz80> if I watch u1sdtool --current-transfers it just stays at the same spot and never moves
[18:50] <duanedesign> zylogz80: if you want to pastebin the contents of  ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log we can look at that
[18:51] <zylogz80> duanedesign, thanks. here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/508963/
[18:54] <duanedesign> zylogz80: hmmm. does appear to be stuck. let me ping rye and make sure there is nothing he wants you to try/gather before we try and restart the syncdaemon.
[18:55] <zylogz80> duanedesign, ok
[18:57]  * rye is checking upload speed
[18:57] <duanedesign> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/508963/
[18:57] <duanedesign> oops
[18:58] <duanedesign> rye: it was slow for a bit...but mine seemed to speed up
[18:58]  * duanedesign goes to pick up pizza. mmmmmm pizza
[19:11] <zylogz80> rye, any thoughts on my issue?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/508963/ sync was working then just hung up over an hour ago. pastebin has logs
[19:16] <rye> zylogz80, could you please create an empty file in Ubuntu One?
[19:16] <rye> zylogz80, are you running maverick or lucid, sorry if i have already asked that
[19:21] <zylogz80> rye,  maverick
[19:22] <zylogz80> rye, ok, I created an empty file. it increased the queue by one.
[19:22] <rye> zylogz80, ok, could you please re-paste your syncdaemon log now?
[19:22] <zylogz80> rye, sure, 1 sec
[19:23] <zylogz80> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/508976/
[19:28] <mrandrzejak> any way to speed up ubuntuones upload and download speeds?
[19:29] <rye> zylogz80, ok, just tested - i got 6Mbit upload, something wrong with syncdaemon
[19:30] <rye> facundobatista, verterok, are you here?
[19:30] <zylogz80> rye, ok, so what should I do? I'm new to ubuntu one. I just paid for it this morning.
[19:31] <rye> zylogz80, ok, let's force syncdaemon reconnection - if you are running applet or magicicada - there are disconnect buttons and in the terminal it is u1sdtool --disconnect; u1sdtool --connect
[19:31] <rye> applet
[19:32] <rye> it i snot applet, it is indicator
[19:32] <verterok> rye: whatsup_
[19:33] <rye> zylogz80, have you already disconnected?
[19:33] <rye> verterok, syncdaemon became stuck during file upload - http://paste.ubuntu.com/508976/ and did not want to advance
[19:34] <verterok> rye: do we have debug logs?
[19:34] <rye> verterok, no, but if that does not work now I will ask for debug logs too. I definitely need to sneak in a branch that allows switching to debug level in runtime
[19:35] <zylogz80> rye, I disconnected and reconnected via the applet. it appears to be working now I think
[19:35] <zylogz80> rye, yeah it moved 30 files
[19:35] <verterok> rye: it might be a server bug, I think it was fixed, but not released yet
[19:36] <rye> verterok, yes, looks like server-side, client is alredy pinging in case of connection drops so it got probably stuck on the server
[19:36] <verterok> rye: yup
[19:36] <rye> verterok, thanks and sorry for bothering :)
[19:36] <verterok> rye: we landed a fix for stuck down/uploads
[19:36] <verterok> rye: np :)
[19:36]  * rye feels the same way he felt during karmic release
[19:38] <mrandrzejak> rye... excited? :)
[19:38] <rye> full with energy
[19:39] <rye> mrandrzejak, yeah! but this time it is even more awesome than lucid lynx release during which our server-side became somehow completely stuck. Now the client is not that heavy with server requests.
[19:40] <rye> and couchdb replication is now enabled and there has been no couchdb outage with 1.0.1 that I could spot...
[19:40]  * mrandrzejak is closing his dropbox account.
[19:41] <mrandrzejak> is there any way to speed up ubuntuones upload and download speeds?
[19:43] <rye> mrandrzejak, the speed of uploads and downloads currently depend on the number of the files that you have, i.e. if you get a big 100 Mb file it will be uploaded much faster than a hundred of files of 1Mb
[19:44]  * rye really needs to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/TechnicalDetails
[19:44] <mrandrzejak> thanks for the info
[19:45] <rye> mrandrzejak, this cycle (Natty Narwhal) the team will focus on the performance issues
[19:45] <mrandrzejak> is there anything i can do to help?
[19:45] <rye> mrandrzejak, i understand it may not sound promising but the alpha/beta packages will be available during the cycle so we will need users to help us testing under various conditions
[19:52] <soren> I just installed the Ubuntu One Music client on my phone (HTC Desire, if it matters). It keeps telling me that the SD card can't fit my 500 MB of music cache and that I need to free 2.06 GB to make it fit. That's rather amusing in and of itself, but the fact of the matter is that I have 6 GB free on the SD card. Is there a setting I've failed to find that makes it look in the right place for the SD card storage?
[19:52] <beuno> soren, hi
[19:52] <beuno> CardinalFang, ^
[19:52] <duanedesign> hello soren
[19:54] <kenvandine> so where do we file bugs against the u1 music android app?
[19:54] <beuno> soren, we have an update that will fix the bug you're experiencing
[19:54] <soren> Hey, guys :)
[19:54] <soren> beuno: Awesome. Need help testing?
[19:54] <beuno> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music/
[19:54] <kenvandine> ah, cool
[19:54] <beuno> soren, sure, maybe CardinalFang can cut a quick release
[19:54] <kenvandine> beuno, thx
[20:05] <CardinalFang> Hi soren.  Thanks for coming to tell us about it.  Let me check on that.   ...
[20:07] <soren> CardinalFang: Sure thing. Let me know if there's anything you need from me.
[20:07] <CardinalFang> My math must be wrong somewhere, or the filesystem reports of blocksize or something.
[20:08] <soren> CardinalFang: From df on phone: /mnt/sdcard 15654912K total, 8934464K used, 6720448K available (block size 32768)
[20:08] <CardinalFang> kenvandine or soren, do either of you have android SDK installed on your computer?  I think your system logs will give me a clue as to what's wrong.
[20:11] <kenvandine> soren, you have the same bug?
[20:11] <kenvandine> ha... i hadn't even read the scrollback, just filed the bug
[20:11] <kenvandine> :)
[20:11] <soren> kenvandine: Cool, because I didn't bother :)
[20:11] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, i don't have the SDK installed
[20:12] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, this might help though... it started happening after i switched to the version in the android market
[20:12] <soren> I do, but I'm on a call.
[20:12] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, i didn't have this problem using that apk you had me install last week
[20:17] <CardinalFang> I'm hacking up my own to reproduce it.
[20:24] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, soren,  http://sandbox.chad.org/u1m-1.0-2-testing-cache.apk
[20:24]  * kenvandine tries
[20:24] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, install "aLogCat" from market, and mail the system log to yourself.
[20:24] <kenvandine> ok
[20:24] <kenvandine> before or after?
[20:24] <beuno> before
[20:25] <CardinalFang> after installing and running.  This makes the log more verbose and runs cleaning code ever 15 seconds.
[20:25] <CardinalFang> The order of install doesn't really matter, but capture the log after them both.
[20:25] <kenvandine> ok
[20:42] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, soren, suppose you change your cache-size limit to 20GB.  What is the message?  What about at 5GB?  And 500MB?
[20:42] <james_w> so, I have a bunch of tracks in the u1 music store that have been reported as "Waiting for download to start" for about 2 months now. The files are in fact on disk, complete. Is there a way to poke it to realise this and to actually make the tracks available in the library?
[20:45] <kenvandine> I/CacheCleaner( 5073): Total disk space available: -500170752 B
[20:45] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, ^^
[20:45] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, ok, i'll change the setting
[20:46] <rye> aquarius, james_w ^
[20:46] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, Huh!  That's interesting.
[20:46] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, setting cache-size to 20G says it needs to free 20.43G
[20:47] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, perfect.  Thank you.
[20:47] <kenvandine> and setting it to 5G says it needs to free 5.41G
[20:47] <kenvandine> ok, want me to give you more of the log?
[20:47] <kenvandine> or is that enough?
[20:47] <aquarius> james_w, er. Interesting. Can I get you to nudge rodrigo? He knows the download detection stuff best.
[20:48] <james_w> I guess that will be next week then?
[20:48] <aquarius> james_w, sorry to just hand you off to someone else :(
[20:48] <james_w> np
[20:48] <aquarius> james_w, do the files have weird characters in them?
[20:48] <james_w> don't think so
[20:49] <james_w> the "weirdest" would be a space
[20:49] <CardinalFang> the download daemon is such a music snob.
[20:49] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/509019/
[20:49] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, in case that helps
[20:56] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, anything in this apk you gave me that would cause it to nag more often? it is kind of out of control now :)
[20:57] <kenvandine> i'll jump back to the market version, if you don't need more info from me yet?
[20:58] <CardinalFang> kenvandine,  http://sandbox.chad.org/u1m-1.0-2-testing-filesystem-info.apk
[20:58] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, yes, this nags more often.  Sorry.
[20:58] <kenvandine> np as long as it is useful
[21:02]  * CardinalFang looks for integer overruns.
[21:07] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, now in your log should be something like
[21:07] <CardinalFang> D/FileUtil( 4328): On partition of /mnt/sdcard/subsonic/music, block size is 32768B and 45598 blocks are available.
[21:07] <CardinalFang> I want to know what those numbers are.
[21:07] <kenvandine> ok
[21:10] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, any trick with alogcat to make it send the logs with the right content?
[21:11] <kenvandine> what it is emailing me is nothing like what i see scrolling by...
[21:11] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, Eh, no idea.  Double-check the buffer and the filter.
[21:11] <CardinalFang> Maybe filter by  ...
[21:14] <kenvandine> 32768B and 377142 blocks available
[21:15] <CardinalFang> ah.
[21:18] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, and after that, again it says  Total disk space available: -500170752 B ?
[21:19] <kenvandine> i don't see that, let me email the log again and see if it is there yet
[21:20] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, that should be immediately after any " D/FileUtil( 4328): On partition of /mnt/sdcard/subsonic/music, block size is..."
[21:20] <CardinalFang> Next line.
[21:21] <kenvandine> nope
[21:21] <kenvandine> oh... wait... i filtered
[21:22] <kenvandine>  -526385152B
[21:25] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, Okay.  I think I got it sorted.  Integer overflow.
[21:25] <kenvandine> guess my SD card is too big :)
[21:26] <CardinalFang> Dividing by 1024 is different than dividing by 1024L.
[21:26] <CardinalFang> Yeah, it must be.
[21:28] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, soren, Try this:  http://sandbox.chad.org/u1m-1.0-2-testing-integer-overflow-fix.apk
[21:29] <CardinalFang> If that works, then there's nothing to do, and what goes into the Market will be the same.
[21:29] <CardinalFang> same as that.
[21:29] <kenvandine> ok
[21:33]  * CardinalFang boggles at 32kByte blocks and wonders if he should be counting block usage instead of byte usage for files calculation.
[21:33] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, ok... so no more errors
[21:33] <kenvandine> but
[21:33] <CardinalFang> but!?
[21:33] <kenvandine> if i bump my cache size up to 20G, shouldn't it tell me i don't have that much space?
[21:34] <CardinalFang> Yes.  The next time the cache cleaner runs.  It is back to every 5 minutes now,
[21:34] <kenvandine> ah... ok
[21:34] <kenvandine> cool, all good then :)
[21:35] <CardinalFang> Hope so!
[21:35] <kenvandine> i'll tell you in about 4m if it complains
[21:35] <kenvandine> :)
[21:35] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, thank you!
[21:35] <kenvandine> np
[21:35] <CardinalFang> I leaned something new about Java today.
[21:36]  * kenvandine hugs python
[21:37] <kenvandine> ok, just told me i don't have enough free space for 20G
[21:37] <kenvandine> and the free space looked sane
[21:37] <kenvandine> turned it back down to 500M
[21:37] <kenvandine> i'll let you know in 5m what it does
[21:45] <karni> CardinalFang: neat work with Ubuntu One Music pal :) have you been helping to write the streaming server side :) ?
[21:45] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, woot... no errors
[22:00] <CardinalFang> karni, I've been trying to stay out of the server, but I think I landed 4 patches in the last 4 days there.  :)
[22:01] <karni> CardinalFang: nice :)
[22:01] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, rawk.  Will you double-check that you can see the 1.0-2 in the Market?  My phone is a bit weird right now.
[22:02] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, ah, I found it.  Nevermind.
[22:04] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, should it show it as an upgrade for me?
[22:04] <kenvandine> or since it is the same, it won't know?
[22:04] <CardinalFang> same, so no upgrade, kenvandine.
[22:04] <kenvandine> ok
[22:04] <kenvandine> cool
[22:20]  * CardinalFang goes AFK for a while.  Back off and on for 10.10 release.
[23:37] <doctormo> beuno: hey there
[23:37] <doctormo> I changed the wording on your information
[23:39] <beuno> doctormo, hey hey
[23:39] <beuno> great
[23:39] <beuno> hope it makes sense
[23:39] <beuno> I didn't realize that's how it came across
[23:41] <doctormo> beuno: I assume the fact the folder was hidden was a design choice.
[23:41] <doctormo> Rahter than just having UbuntuOneMusic in the home folder for example.
[23:42] <beuno> right, what we want to do is support nested UDFs, rreally
[23:42] <beuno> and put your music in the XDG folder
[23:42] <beuno> I don't recall what the issue was with creating a folder in the home dir
[23:42] <beuno> I think it was managing potential conflicts (ie, an existing folder)
[23:42] <mkarnicki> beuno: I had a skype call from aquarius. And I was excited to hear that Matt Griffin, the Product Manager, liked AndroidU1 :)
[23:43] <beuno> mkarnicki, not just him!
[23:43] <mkarnicki> beuno: I'm trying to put together a dashboard right now
[23:43] <beuno> the directory of the team!
[23:43] <mkarnicki> beuno: whooaa ^ ^
[23:43] <mkarnicki> beuno: and I thought to myself 'but theres still so much to do!' ;D
[23:44] <mkarnicki> beuno: we talked with sil that we can prep a roadmap, talk about some naming conventions, etc
[23:45] <mkarnicki> beuno: and I told him at least 4-5 things that we have to aim (1. (smarter)service stability, 2. UDFs, 3. delta, 4. sharing, 5. "capcha SSO"!)
[23:45] <mkarnicki> beuno: so I hope to keep that wheel spinning :)
[23:45] <beuno> mkarnicki, right
[23:45] <beuno> I'll know in a few weeks
[23:45] <doctormo> beuno: nested UDFs would be nice, but a solution might be to just unhook the UDF on the subfolder and reassign on the parent.
[23:45] <beuno> mkarnicki, but I'm trying to allocate some time from our team to work with you
[23:46] <mkarnicki> beuno: that would be lovely, sure :)
[23:46] <mkarnicki> especially that publishing is not yet supported by the protocol itself
[23:46] <beuno> doctormo, yeap, most likely. We'd have to figure out how to deal with shares within that. But yes, we still need to figure it out, but that technical limitation led to the decision
[23:47] <beuno> mkarnicki, I'll have some news in a week or two  :)
[23:48] <mkarnicki> beuno: ok ^ ^ I hope to have some more of app goodie, too!
[23:48] <beuno> mkarnicki, what I think we all want
[23:49] <beuno> is to work on it for a while, until it's in good shape to upload to the market
[23:50] <mkarnicki> beuno: correct
[23:51] <beuno> mkarnicki, so I am going to try really hard to get a good chunk of time out of my team to work with you
[23:52] <doctormo> beuno: for share in existing_shares: if new_share_path in share.path: share.unhook()
[23:52] <doctormo> I'm paracoding of course.
[23:52] <beuno> doctormo, I believe you, but that's outside the range of my expertise  :)
[23:55] <mkarnicki> beuno: sure, that would be nice :)
[23:55] <mkarnicki> beuno: especially that I might take on a full-time Android Developer work soon


[10:26] <guiverc> I just noticed popey's post at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/updating-irc-links-on-the-wiki/22735 which mentions a number of LXDE-lubuntu pages (edits are by me) that reference freenode... do we care?  as it's unsupported stuff..  If it needs change; it can fall under the T180 (or whatever cleanup-wiki was)
 I guess it depends on the context. The meeting ones could/should probably remain since they reference the past and where the meeting happened.
[11:11] <guiverc> I found one page (from popeys list) that need a deprecated notice (now added).. many redirect as they should, others I don't see any point changing
 Thanks for checking them guiverc It might be worth making a comment on popey's discourse post too.
 Ah, I see you did that, thanks!
 FWIW I recently updated the Lubuntu section on the Teams page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams It still referenced gillr and lxde
[11:58] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez, yeah I fear there will be pages that I missed (esp. where Lubuntu isn't part of the URL)  ... I tried many searches on oogle/startpage/duckduckgo.. to find but I won't have caught all :(
 No worries, team effort.
 Who has easytether for lubuntu
[21:50] <theloudspeaker> https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/o1cxg4/this_is_the_best_thing_since_sliced_bread/
[21:50] <theloudspeaker> Appreciation for Lubuntu and special mention of grub theme. :) Made my day.


[00:33] <mparillo> Question about minimal install. It seems to me that the ISO is the same, right? So you download everything but simply do not install some packages? Woudn't it be easier to grab the mini ISO and add kubuntu-desktop (is that our meta-package?).
[00:41] <tsimonq2> No, it doesn't quite work like that.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> So the way the ISO works is that a whole Kubuntu system is installed on one squashfs.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> That includes Ubiquity and the other tools as well.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> When that system is installed, it unpacks that squashfs then removes Ubiquity.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> So by doing the minimal install, it just adds a list of packages to remove with Ubiquity.
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Putting it on the Mini ISO won't make a difference. The Mini ISO is just a minimal install that does this but it does it differently.
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Instead of using a squashfs, it uses debootstrap to basically assemble what would be the squashfs.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> So yeah, using d-i might save some time, but then it's also a bit of hackery to get d-i to install the kubuntu-desktop task *minus* a list of packages.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> So for now, this is the best solution.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> What will happen in the future is they'll be implementing stacked squashfses
[00:45] <tsimonq2> That means, you have the core install squashfs and then another squashfs on top with e.g. apps, PIM, whatever.
[00:45] <tsimonq2> Then once the install is done, at minimum the core squashfs is installed, then if the minimal install box is checked, it leaves out installing that additional squashfs.
[00:45] <tsimonq2> That'd make things much smooter.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> *smoother
[00:46] <tsimonq2> It would also allow for options where the user could choose a certain software suite.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> etc.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> mparillo: Does that make sense?
[01:01] <mparillo> I think it does, but when I download the Kubuntu ISO, I am downloading (a squashed version of) everything, correct?
[01:01] <mparillo> While, with the mini ISO, I download the minimum necessary, and then select only those packages I want.
[01:05] <mparillo> I know the mini ISO worked easily for me with Lubuntu Next just the other day (in a VM, anyway).
[01:08] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[01:12] <mparillo> I was having trouble with the Lubuntu-Next ISO images, and I now believe (admittedly with only a day of experience) that the mini ISO is an under-appreciated *buntu spin
[01:57] <valorie> I might be able to test on the spare hd on this laptop
[01:57] <valorie> the drive on my travel laptop died today
[01:57] <tsimonq2> Oh hey valorie!
[01:58] <valorie> and I moved this computer last night, and failed to notice that I half unplugged it
[01:58] <valorie> and then I was gone all day
[01:58] <valorie> so it was offline since whenever the battery ran out
[07:03] <blaze> on the sunday morning publisher usually takes a nap
[07:04] <blaze> or can't wake from it's slumber
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[10:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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 Hey Rick is there anyway you can send me a list of things that are already in Kubuntu 18.04 from my suggestions so I could have an action list needed from me for the rest
 @MichaelTun, I should probably make a master task listing all UI etc tweaks made, and to be made. Inlcuding who suggested. At the moment they are in seprate ones.
 @acheronuk, That would be fantastic for sure
 Out of curiosity, how many of my exception list was used?
 @MichaelTun, I don't know, as I only pushed the one I did as local testing fell over.
 @MichaelTun where is your list? lol
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 @MichaelTun, Here
 k3b is not on the list as I was unsure if to call that an essential. … konversation is not there as I forgot/missed it (not saving latest revision) … ktimetracker should not be on our install any more anyway … partitionmanager (same as k3b)
 @MichaelTun ^^
 @MichaelTun http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/kubuntu.bionic/desktop.minimal-remove
 the way I decided for essential is the percentage of people who would use it vs not. … k3b is a burning tool that is very unlikely these days because people simply don't use those types of mediums as much as they used to. … Konversation is fantastic but IRC is not the most popular method of communication anymore so I dont think it is essential. … partitionmanager is great again but the percentage of people who actually
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[11:58] <airurando1> Hi Andru183.  was the release party yesterday or is it today?
[11:59] <airurando1> LTP entry said it was yesterday (Monday) but facebook is telling us its tonight (Tuesday)
[12:00] <airurando1> andru183 see above :-)
[12:06] <andru183> it's meant to be today, I must have put the wrong date on the event page :c
[12:07] <andru183> dam, hope no one showed up because of that
[21:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:09] <czajkowski> tdr112: howdy you in tog?
[21:11] <slashbel> hey czajkowski, welcome back
[21:12] <czajkowski> :)
[21:13] <czajkowski> cheers
[23:00] <airurando1> Nice work andru183 on organising the one and only Ubuntu 13.10 release party in Ireland!
[23:03] <andru183> great craic too, great to see a few at it :D
[23:03] <andru183> got a small few pics but I was busy installing and stuff
[23:15] <airurando1> :-)
[23:16] <airurando1> kudos andru183


[00:14] <daker> i think separation
[00:14] <daker> there is*
[00:15] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-connect-theme-devs/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-linaro-theme
[00:15] <daker> i see that you already have done that https://code.launchpad.net/~debconf14-dev/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-dc14-theme
[00:16] <slangasek> daker: the charm makes me check out two different branches; that's not the same thing as there being actual separation
[00:17] <slangasek> because half the things I need to change, I find myself configuring in the code branch
[00:19] <daker> well i see what you are talking about, but i am unable to give an concrete answer :)
[00:40] <cjohnston> slangasek: so its really a horrible split unfortunatly...
[00:40] <cjohnston> and yes, you would have to do a bunch of changes in lp:summit branch
[00:41] <cjohnston> the 'adding other sites' was very much an after thought and hacked into place by linaro people in a hurry for their requirement
[00:41] <cjohnston> s
[00:41] <slangasek> cjohnston: that's been my assessment thus far ;)  Is there any likelihood that this will improve in the near future?  If not, I'm just going to make my own branch of the code (already done), and ignore the theme branch entirely by deploying in a separate subdir (which was what I'd started out doing)
[00:42] <slangasek> in case you're interested, here's the site I'm currently puttering on: http://dc14-summit-test.dodds.net/debconf14/
[00:43] <cjohnston> slangasek: I believe that mhall119 has some work planned for summit, but without you talking to ev, the odds of me doing a whole lot other than helping you is slight
[00:43] <cjohnston> slangasek: I see an error
[00:43] <slangasek> cjohnston: this is nothing I would be asking ev about
[00:44] <slangasek> hah, yes, there's an error there now, isn't there?
[00:44] <cjohnston> I know. :-)
[00:45]  * slangasek ho-hums and tries to recreate the relation
[00:48] <slangasek> ok, well I seem to have done a crackerjack job of botching that
[00:48] <slangasek> and now I'm afk, guess I'll fix it in a few :)
[00:56] <mhall119> slangasek: I'd be happy to help out with the debconf site as part of my community work
[00:56] <cjohnston> mhall119: it would really be nice if we could make the theme branch give everything that would be needed to change summit
[00:56] <mhall119> I even got model-mommy packaged and in debian's archives so you can run summit's test suite :)
[00:56] <mhall119> cjohnston: what do you mean?
[00:57] <cjohnston> 20:16:52 slangasek | daker: the charm makes me check out two different branches; that's not the same thing as there being actual
[00:57] <cjohnston>                    | separation
[00:57] <cjohnston> 20:17:08 slangasek | because half the things I need to change, I find myself configuring in the code branch
[00:57] <mhall119> what's he changing?
[00:58] <mhall119> so make it a "summit theme" instead of a "django theme"?
[00:59] <cjohnston> hrm.. I guess it might actually not be so bad.. I just did a grep for Linaro and there are only a handful of mentions
[00:59] <mhall119> as long as he doesn't want to change the *content* of the pages, just the header/footer/visuals, the current separation should work
[01:00] <mhall119> but it sounds like maybe he wants to change what content is displayed and where
[03:34] <slangasek> mhall119: hey, certainly wouldn't mind the help :)
[03:34] <slangasek> mhall119: fwiw, here's the wiki page I've been preparing for the DebConf team's purposes: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Summit
[13:33] <mhall119> slangasek: is debconf for sure going to use it, or still being decided?
[17:01] <slangasek> mhall119: provided we can get it all up and going in the next couple of weeks, I think we'll definitely use it
[17:01] <slangasek> mhall119: the team has been stuck on pentabarf for years after they've wanted to, because it's too hard to migrate; this is a year when migration is easier because part of the registration is (necessarily) handled by the venue
[17:03] <mhall119> slangasek: people will still need to register in summit, which means having an Ubuntu SSO account at a minimum, and a Launchpad profile preferably
[17:03] <mhall119> though they can view the schedule without it
[17:03] <slangasek> mhall119: no, we're not using Ubuntu SSO for this
[17:03] <slangasek> we're going to use Debian SSO
[17:04] <mhall119> ok, we haven't tried Summit with another OpenID provider, so there may be bugs
[17:10] <mhall119> slangasek: do you want to schedule a hangout so you can bring me up to speed with (a) what you've got going so far and (b) what you need changed?
[17:11] <slangasek> mhall119: I'll do you one better, I have this written up as a wiki page: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Summit
[17:12] <slangasek> mhall119: note that we're also not using openid, the requirement on the Debian side is oauth2 - so yeah, I'm sure there will be bugs
[17:17] <mhall119> oh...fun
[17:17] <mhall119> well, as long as there's a django app that makes it easy, we should be good
[17:30] <slangasek> yeah, that's the idea :)
[17:38] <mhall119> daker: ping
[17:38] <daker> mhall119: pong
[17:39] <mhall119> daker: hey, you wanted to replace Wordpress with Django on developer.u.c, well I'm going to need to put some of that funcitonality into summit.u.c (shouldn't affect you slangasek), did you have a specific CMS app that you think would work best?
[17:41] <daker> mhall119: no, but if you can liste the functionalities you want on it, that would be helpfull :)
[17:42] <mhall119> daker: hmmm, all I have right now is "what Wordpress offered, plus translations and better staging->production workflow"
[17:42] <mhall119> for summit.u.c, it's really just the ability to manage page content and navigation
[17:47] <daker> django-cms is known to work very well
[17:49] <daker> and maybe if you can detail the "what Wordpress offered, plus translations and better staging->production workflow" would be help more
[17:49] <daker> what Wordpress offered ? pages/posts/media revisions ?
[17:49] <daker> password protected content ?
[17:50] <daker> translations ? translations of dynamic content posts/content ?
[17:52] <daker> and how this staging->production workflow works
[17:57] <jose> loco.ubuntu.com is in django and translated
[17:58] <daker> yes but i think here he want to translate the dynamic content...
[17:58] <jose> hmm
[17:58] <jose> judging the fact that developer.u.c is going to be in chinese also, yes
[17:58] <daker> like the api doc translated in chinese
[18:41] <slangasek> mhall119: so is there any piece of the debconf summit deployment that you think you could help out with?  I think the part where we're most in need of help, and where you might be best able to help, is getting the registration form going - since that needs someone with a better understanding of django forms than I have
[18:47] <mhall119> slangasek: I can help with that
[18:47] <mhall119> slangasek: are you wanting to use sponsorship?
[18:48] <slangasek> mhall119: we do sponorship, yes
[18:48] <slangasek> sponsorship
[18:48] <mhall119> to be honest, the summit sponsorship system was never that great and hasn't been worked on in a while
[18:50] <slangasek> mhall119: well, DebConf, despite doing quite a lot of sponsorship every year, has never had anything approaching a decent workflow for it in the webapp :)


[04:53] <Squirm> fp
[06:31] <Kilos> morning all
[06:35] <Kilos> hi ayanda009
[06:36] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:37] <ayanda009> thank you kilos,how are you?
[06:37] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[06:37] <Kilos> first time here?
[06:38] <ayanda009> yeah kilo im a male by the way
[06:38] <Kilos> most here are this is the ubuntu za help channel
[06:39] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu?
[06:39] <Kilos> or another linux OS
[06:39] <Kilos> windows peeps that come here we convert
[06:40] <Kilos> hehe
[06:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:43] <Kilos> chicken
[06:43] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:44] <Kilos> Squirm:
[06:46] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:48] <Squirm> hello
[06:49] <Squirm> Kilos:
[06:54]  * Squirm goes back to work then
[06:59] <Kilos> oh sorry Squirm was greeting you as an addon
[07:08] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:08] <Kilos> hi morgs
[07:09] <morgs> Hi Kilos
[07:18] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:39] <Vince-0> hii
[07:50] <Symmetria> gah
[07:50] <Symmetria> I hate insurance companies
[07:50] <Symmetria> I tried to get them to insure my camera equipment and they dont wanna do it
[07:51] <Symmetria> apparently its way over what you can insure under portal posessions
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria, who do you insure with?
[07:59] <Symmetria> ThatGraemeGuy virgin
[08:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> a friend of mine is a broker i'll ask her if that's standard practice or if maybe they're just full of crap
[08:00] <Symmetria> apparently max they insure portable posessions for is R52k
[08:00] <Symmetria> which is *way* under what I need
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i assume that's under your personal cover though? if you were a pro photographer then business policies would probably happily insure for any arb value
[08:01] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:01] <Symmetria> heh, the problem with high end camera gear, it gets sicko expensive
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i cant see a reason to have a seemingly arb cap on the value
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> i mean obviously your premium increases proportionately so what difference should it make
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> then again, i'm no actuary :)
[08:19] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:24] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria, apparently the max value is typically linked to the total amount of your contents cover
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> "Your all risk may not exceed a certain percentage of your contents insurance. He can up his contents and then up his all risks. For instance if your contents is R100,000 then your all risk may not exceed say R75,000 (depending on the insurer)"
[08:26] <Symmetria> heh ok
[08:27] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:27] <psyatw> hi Symmetria
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[08:50] <magespawn> good day y'all
[08:52] <Symmetria> lol my parents are so outta touch with costs and realities in the modern world
[08:52] <Symmetria> my dad wanted a new double garage added to the house, he said he thought it would cost 50 grand
[08:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn only 46$ now
[08:52] <Symmetria> I told him he was nuts, and went and got a quote
[08:52] <Symmetria> I was right ;p 150 grand for a fuckin garage
[08:53] <Kilos> wow
[08:53] <Symmetria> its crazy
[08:53] <Kilos> thats eina
[08:53] <Kilos> %
[08:54] <magespawn> Kilos: maybe it will take week anyway
[08:54] <Kilos> ya magespawn but i need that pc for my mails etc
[08:54] <Kilos> grrr
[08:54] <magespawn> building is crazy at the moment
[08:55] <Kilos> maybe with stop it and make the first part only 6g
[08:55] <magespawn> Kilos:  but you have a gmail address don't you?
[08:55] <Kilos> ya but i dont like going there to see stuff
[08:55] <Kilos> i use evolution
[08:56] <Kilos> in kde and unity
[08:56] <Kilos> works kiff
[08:57] <Kilos> and better than thunderbird
[09:00] <magespawn> are you gmail with pop or imap Kilos ?
[09:01] <Kilos> yes
[09:02] <Kilos> tried thunderbird with it and it works too
[09:02] <Kilos> im pop
[09:02] <Kilos> but evolution has an inbuilt backup tool which i dont see with thunderbird
[09:08] <Kilos> also methinks that 2 wait 2 more days for xfdisk to finish and maybe still not have fixed the drive is senseless
[09:13] <Kilos> so if i go offline im swopping pc's or something
[09:13] <magespawn> if you have set gmail to leave a copy onthe server then you can access them from multiple places
[09:14] <Kilos> oh ya ive done that
[09:14] <Kilos> got thousands up there
[09:15] <magespawn> then it  does not matter which drive you are on, set this one up with your mail too
[09:15] <Kilos> lol no man this is a 6g thats far from fully updated/upgraded
[09:16] <Kilos> and this pc has the odd hand it likes doing
[09:16] <Kilos> hehe
[09:16] <Kilos> hang
[09:16] <magespawn> ahh so unreliable then, understood
[09:17] <Kilos> also with the reliability of our power i cant take chances with long jobs
[09:18] <Kilos> been a wonder it hasnt dipped in the last 2 days
[09:18] <magespawn> that is one of my biggest headaches
[09:18] <magespawn> i'm saving up for a big ups for the shop, maybe with solar panels too
[09:19] <Kilos> thats a good idea
[09:20] <Kilos> im saving up for a fast pc first
[09:20] <Kilos> hehe
[09:20] <Kilos> could enjoy quadcore power
[09:21] <Kilos> with lotsa ram
[09:29] <magespawn> there was an article i read that basically stated it was more efficient to a mid range pc, more bang for buck
[09:31] <Kilos> my prob here is that the pc cant take more than 2g ram and runs fine with 1.5g and dont wanna spend more on ddr ram
[09:31] <Kilos> rather go ddr3
[09:32] <Kilos> if you build up a pc by buying m/b cpu ram etc maybe you can build it for around 2k
[09:33] <Kilos> 2g ddr costs same as 8g ddr3
[09:34] <Kilos> moving modem bbs
[09:36] <Kilos-> ah, so much faster this is
[09:37] <Kilos-> and here i can choose between maverick or 12.04 unity or kde
[09:43] <Kios> ai!
[09:44] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[09:44] <Kilos> hurry its nearly avy
[10:17] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[10:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:22]  * inetpro likes how Kilos sorts out the chatmosphere guys in double-quick time
[10:23] <Kilos> paiful peeps them, just looking for chicks
[10:23] <Kilos> grrr
[10:23] <Kilos> painful
[10:34] <Kilos> hi sfx
[10:34] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:35] <sfx> Hey Kilos!
[10:35] <Kilos> This is the Ubuntu and linux help channel. can we help you?
[10:43] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[10:47] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> ha
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> debonair's have a deal on at the moment, if you install ie10 and order pizza using ie10 you can get R100 off
[11:02] <Kilos> lol
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> except then i'd have to use ie10 and eat debonair's pizza
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> so no thanks :D
[11:03] <Kilos> who is getting desparate debonairs or ms
[11:03] <Kilos> or both
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> both methinks
[11:05] <Kilos> hehe
[11:40] <Vince-0> ThatGraemeGuy, you can change the user agent string in chrome and get the debonaire's special
[11:44] <Symmetria> :) yay, last of my camera lenses finally arrived
[11:44] <Symmetria> http://www.amazon.com/Tamron-70-200MM-Telephoto-Canon-Cameras/dp/B00A34GQEC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367926911&sr=1-2&keywords=Tamron+SP+70-200mm+f%2F2.8+Di+VC+USD+Lens <[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> Vince-0, true, but i'd still need to eat debonair's pizza :P
[11:55] <Kilos> hi Balistic
[11:55] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:00] <Kilos> lol @ ThatGraemeGuy
[12:00] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[12:03] <superfly> hi Kilos
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> the android port of the original Carmageddon is coming on Friday
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> there goes my weekend
[12:56] <Kilos> aw
[12:57] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[13:01] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: a paid for game or free?
[13:01] <magespawn> that was an awesome game, very good stress therapy
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> free on release day if you sign up apparently
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.carmageddon.com/news/droid-news-youre-looking
[13:05] <magespawn> ty ThatGraemeGuy, just found that site too
[14:10] <Kilos> hmm... mxit can be dying if they are employing still
[14:18] <Kilos> cant
[14:25] <magespawn> later all, home time
[14:25] <Kilos> k magespawn
[14:32] <charl> good afternoon
[14:33] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:33] <charl> how's it going kilos
[14:33] <Kilos> good ty and you
[14:33] <Kilos> getting cold here now. 4°c at night
[14:37] <charl> here it's great weather now - high teens or early twenties
[14:37] <charl> not looking forward to high summer but right now it's great - i love may weather
[14:38] <charl> do any of you people have experience with vmware wsx? i'm really impressed
[14:38] <charl> you can use a virtual machine through an html5-based web interface
[14:38] <Kilos> only sysadmin guys here now i think
[14:38] <charl> it's basically just as responsive as using it through the vmware workstation client
[14:38] <Kilos> others on their way home
[14:39] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/peacock.jpg <[14:39] <Symmetria> just took that while playing with my new lens
[14:39] <charl> Symmetria: it's a pretty photo but it looks a bit dark
[14:41] <Symmetria> yeah was taken in heavy shade *hrm* mighta needed an extra bit of exposure
[14:41] <charl> yeah it looks like it, between the plants
[14:44] <Symmetria> heh, these are my first real attempts at switching the camera to full manual mode
[14:44] <Symmetria> so takes a bit of learning to get it right
[15:00] <charl> i have now moved to evolution for my work mail, i am surprised at how well it works with microsoft exchange servers
[15:00] <charl> even the tasks and calendar works
[15:00] <charl> also the address book
[15:30] <Kilos> evolution is a good mail client.
[15:31] <Kilos> and if you click on file the backup option is in that list charl
[15:33] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/peacock2.jpg
[15:33] <Symmetria> :) I like that shot
[15:33] <Symmetria> heh, had to push the iso level to hell and gone, drop the ap to 2.8 and was still running at 1/60th of a second shutter speed to get enough light
[16:52] <Kilos> Squirm, can you get hold of Trix[a]r_za
[16:53] <Kilos> see if he sees the mail maia sent to the list
[16:57] <Kilos> inetpro, nog 13 dan kan ek aftree
[17:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:41] <magespawn> evening Kilos
[17:41] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:42] <Kilos> quiet here hey?
[17:42] <magespawn> yup just some mega large pics of peacocks
[17:42] <Kilos> is everyone busy or do they have other hobbies like photography
[17:42] <Kilos> hehe
[17:43] <magespawn> saw that job posted by maia, would love to apply
[17:43] <magespawn> sleepy maybe
[17:43] <Kilos> yeah could be a good one that
[17:43] <Kilos> mxit is worldwide
[17:44] <Kilos> they even made it for sucks pcs mxitevo
[17:45] <magespawn> clever
[17:45] <magespawn> and for droids too
[17:46] <Kilos> ah
[17:47] <Kilos> and they use dedicated sorvers i think its called so no other junk interferes
[17:47] <Kilos> servers
[17:47] <Kilos> you can install mxitevo on a pc and even if you cant browse mxit still works
[17:58] <magespawn> wonder if they use compression?
[18:04] <magespawn> brb
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: 13?
[18:05] <Kilos> ja man daar was 37 nicks hier
[18:06] <Kilos> ek het jou gese as ons 50 bereik kan ek aftree
[18:07] <magespawn> Kilos: only if they stay
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> magespawn, i dunno how mxit works but they are super stable
[18:08] <Cantide> i'm a huge fan of KakaoTalk..
[18:08] <Kilos> i think the pro said xmpp one time
[18:08] <Cantide> so.. no mxit for me .-.
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: wow
[18:09] <Kilos> wow what
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: 37 nicks op een gewone dag?
[18:09] <Kilos> ja wonderlik
[18:10] <inetpro> mooi man
[18:10] <Kilos> 36 nou
[18:10] <inetpro> Kilos: jy sien daai voeltjie kan baie effektief werk
[18:11] <Kilos> ya ek het gedink die nuwes kom van twitter
[18:11] <Kilos> hoeveel volgers nou
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: 50
[18:12] <Kilos> mooi
[18:12] <Kilos> this has been a good 2 months data wise as well
[18:12] <Kilos> still got 800m till the 1st
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: jy moet RT as ouens relevante goed aan jou stuur
[18:13] <Kilos> daar kom niks daar nie
[18:13] <Kilos> volg niemand
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: soos die ene: https://twitter.com/voyager42/status/330747868275154944
[18:13] <Kilos> jy kan die retweet doen daar
[18:14] <Kilos> ai!
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: jy is mos heeltyd daar aangeteken, nie?
[18:15] <Kilos> nee inetpro net as ek iets het om te tweet
[18:15] <inetpro> hmm,....
[18:15] <Kilos> dan maak ek dit in pidgin oop
[18:15] <inetpro> miskien moet ek dan maar op my foon die ding doen
[18:15] <inetpro> met tweetdeck kan ek meer as een profiel aanlyn hou
[18:16] <Kilos> goeie plan
[18:27] <Kilos> hi jmagunduni
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: works now, thanks
[18:31] <Kilos> good
[18:32] <Kilos> you gonna follow all 50 inetpro ?
[18:32] <Kilos> whew
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no don't follow
[18:32] <Kilos> oh
[18:32] <inetpro> just retweet when they tell you something relevant
[18:33] <Kilos> ah, i didnt see any tweets ever
[18:33] <Kilos> you guys told me follow no-one
[18:33] <inetpro> you should get something when they mention your name
[18:34] <Kilos> oh i got mails saying new follower
[18:34] <inetpro> no not that
[18:34] <Kilos> no matter its in better hands now
[18:35] <Kilos> you tweet peeps are inna different world
[18:35] <inetpro> didn't you see that message from Johan Kohler @voyager42 "The randburg #ubuntu release party was... intimate. But interesting nonetheless @ubuntuza"
[18:35] <Kilos> nope only now when i went to the link you gave
[18:36] <inetpro>  at 8:16 PM on 4 May 13
[18:36] <Kilos> but if i start sharpeys they stream in
[18:37] <Kilos> i wonder what happened to sflr
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: he ignoring you?
[18:38] <Kilos> havent mailed for a long time but he answered the last one
[18:40] <inetpro> ahh
[18:47] <Kilos> superfly, all good?
[18:48] <superfly> pretty much
[18:48] <Kilos> ok
[19:02] <magespawn> good night peeps
[19:03] <Kilos> sleep tight magespawn
[19:04] <magespawn> you too Kilos
[19:04] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[19:14] <Kilos> rofl  Ok, but no singing!
[19:14] <Kilos> do you croak superfly ?
[19:15] <superfly> croak?
[19:15] <Kilos> yeah whats with the no singing?
[19:21] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:24] <superfly> anyone have any experience with NFS?
[19:27] <Tonberry> I sometimes use it on my home network.
[19:27] <Tonberry> but thats a very simplistic setup
[19:31] <Tonberry> not very nice for mobile devices
[19:39] <superfly> no, I use it at home too, for sharing between desktops. I'm just having issues with it being extremely slow
[19:41] <Tonberry> strange, it's usually the fastest of the network file protocols for me
[19:43] <superfly> indeed
[19:43] <Tonberry> no insane packet loss or large ping times between the computers?
[19:43] <superfly> it's just been incredibly slow of late. and I know it's not my network, or even that server. I'm running some local web sites and I can access them perfectly fine
[19:44] <superfly> nope, ping times are excellent
[19:44] <Tonberry> are the hard drives ok?
[19:45] <superfly> I would presume so, I'm not hearing anything, iotop seems to be fine
[19:45] <Tonberry> well that's all i have
[19:46] <superfly> Tonberry: thanks for the effort
[19:46] <Tonberry> pleasure
[20:19] <inetpro> superfly: not perhaps name resolution that slows it down?
[20:19] <superfly> I doubt it, but I can set IP addresses
[20:23] <inetpro> worth trying, I have found name resolution even on a local network to be a significant bottleneck in some cases
[20:24] <inetpro> not sure about NFS though
[20:24] <Tonberry> my local network is IPs all the way down
[20:25] <inetpro> obviously that doesn't explain why it would suddenly change
[20:25] <inetpro> so maybe there is something else