[03:17] <duflu> Did Google just skin their own phone to not look like stock Android?
[03:17] <duflu> Is there such thing as stock any more?
[07:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:04] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: why do you say it's a different oxide version?
[08:05] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, I did a side-by-side diff of the two dumps, and the command-line of the oxide process is different enough that I’m pretty sure you have 1.16 on one side, and 1.17 on the other side
[08:05] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, that’s on desktop and on a touch device, right?
[08:05] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: no, both are on my laptop
[08:05] <oSoMoN> huh, weird
[08:07] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: now i one start from the command line and other from the apps scope
[08:07] <tsdgeos> maybe i have two installed and i'm actually starting two different ones by doing that?
[08:07] <oSoMoN> it could be, or it could simply be that the one you started from the command line is running unconfined
[08:08] <oSoMoN> that would explain the difference I’m seeing
[08:09] <tsdgeos> it's the same binary for both
[08:09] <tsdgeos> /usr/bin/webbrowser-app
[08:10] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, ignore my comment then (or even better, comment back to explain the difference in launching the app)
[08:40] <matv1> gd morning. Got a question about video playback. About orientation actualy
[08:42] <matv1> I noticed that when playing back a vid shot with a ut device, the playback orientation is rotated on other OS´s where it remains correct on UT and Udesktop
[08:43] <matv1> my question: isnt there a generic way to set orientation for a vid?
[10:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, ping
[10:06] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hello
[10:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hold on a sec
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, ok
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, think you might be able  to help me with something,
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> should be quite basic
[10:13] <jgdx> SebthreeBQM10HD, just ask! :)
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> just want someone to check that, going to buy the right stuff
[10:14] <jgdx> I'm on the edge of my seat here
[10:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> jgdx, or you possibly then
[10:14] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: just ask already
[10:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> right so I crowd funded the nexdock nice http://nexdock.com
[10:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> however
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> before I can connect Android devices to it and what not, and I guess ubuntu as well then etc
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got to buy certain adapters connects for it and uh
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> connecters
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for mhl and all that
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so going by the page for android I assume that's all I would need for an ubuntu tablet to,  the bq hd
[10:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> take a look at this:
[10:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> http://nexdock.com/support-android/
[10:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so I guess if I buy everything it mentions there,  I should be able to connect wirelessly  and  hdmi.   I assume similar things would be needed for other devices as well such as the Rasspberry pi
[10:18] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: what device are you connecting to it
[10:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, at the moment by default can't really use it for anything since don't have the right adapaters etc it seems. only thing can use it for really right now is an exra screen for a lap top running  Windows 10
[10:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sadly doesn't work with the remix minis  because that doens't support the resolution it runs hmm
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, I  think with the right connecters addapters, I should be able to use the BQ M10 HD with it
[10:20] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: the include lead should be able to plug into the tablet
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the hdmi cable I Got sent with it was uh,  it didn't connet properly to things etc
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's upstairs now, but  it had like the wrong end  for a lot of devices etc
[10:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, I want to do convergence on the nex dock,  there was a old video on omgubuntu I think even for that, and yes the white hd version not black fhd
[10:22] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it is mini hdmi the same as the port on the tablet, on the tablet you have hdmi out and usb out you need to plug it hdmi one not the usb one
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> only device I could successfully connenct with what was sent to me,  was the remix minis
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and also my lap top
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the tablet I had no suck luck with the cable that was sent to me,  it was like I had the wrong end etc
[10:24] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: but to be honest you are possibly better off getting the wireless dongle then you can connect it to the doc tv's and so on
[10:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, well  indeed, I was going to buy the wireless adapater anyway so
[10:24]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has money to do that kind of  thing now, perfect !
[10:24] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: you'd also be able to connect android and MS devices too
[10:24] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: you could buy a wireless screen adapter. I use the MICROSOFT Wireless Display Adapter V2  with my Pro5 to cast the phone screen to my TV.
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yep bingo going to buy that  or the v 1,  may buy both versions :d
[10:25] <torusJKL> It should be possible to connect it to the nexdock.
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I Know that's a bit silly really but
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yeah or a projecter at an event that been organsing that's coming up on the 22nd Otober possibly I Guess?
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if I have stuff before not this weekend, but next weekend, can test properly at the venue hopefully
[10:26] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: if it has HDMI in and you have a usb power source than yes, it will work.
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may just be using the projecter for Creative Commons stuff etc, but anyway
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I plan to bring then nex dock along,  if I got the right stuff for i
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so can connect and show various devices conneced to it and working
[10:27] <torusJKL> I don't know if every device supports this. I have it working on OTA-13 with the Meizu Pro5.
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, a usb power source ?
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nexdock has some kind of built in battery  , but that's about it I think
[10:27] <torusJKL> The display adapter needs a power source.
[10:27] <matv1> torusJKL you have no issues running the Version2 wireless adapter from microsoft? there has been no word that that was officially supported. a month or 2 ago I was advised to still go fr the V1
[10:27] <torusJKL> It will not power from the HDMI.
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok so  may need to buy a seperate power source for it then, like you seem to be saying, a usb one  or something ?
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, indeed  davmor2 suggested the v 1 to me before even irather  than v2
[10:29] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: popey uses the microsoft product too.  V2 works for me. But I think I had to upgrade the firmware first using Windows.
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> problem with stuff like this, can buy one thing, and then ah don't have something for i and uh
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, I may just buy v1 and v2,  so that's not too much of an issue then :d
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> howevr if I need power sources for them hmm
[10:31] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: The nexdock provides you with an USB port right next to the HDMI.
[10:31] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: I think you can use either the issue was the new one had only just come out so wasn't test I think people have used it now
[10:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yeah it's like a lap top, so it has usb ports I think,  I was just thinking that,  it's upstairs right now though
[10:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, well like a lap top, but without a har disk etc, oh and that's a blueetooth keyboard
[10:32] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: looks like a very nice product.
[10:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yes it will be, once I got the right additional things for it, so can acstaully start doing the kind of things want to do with it
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok fine I can use  it as an additional screen for a Windows 10 lap top, but I want to do more than that
[10:33] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: let me know how it works for you.
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, do I need a sperate power port?
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, also what if I want to use a wireless display adapater with a projecter, then I need one?
[10:34] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes, any smartphone usb charger should do. But you might need a USB extension cable because the USB cable on the display adapter is rather short.
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, what to buy ?
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, ok links for those ?
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on amazon.co.uk
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ideally
[10:35] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: either of the MS wireless dongles should be fine
[10:35] <matv1> you might look at: http://phys.org/news/2008-11-mini-nuclear-power-homes.html
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got a amazon link ?
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> .co.uk
[10:35] <matv1> allthough Ia am not sure it has the right connector :)
[10:37] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: just look up Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter on amazon
[10:37] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: 2 meter extension cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics--Male--Female-Extension-Cable/dp/B00NH136GE/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475750195&sr=1-4&keywords=usb+extension+cable
[10:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, right but may need a usb charger
[10:38] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: if the dock has usb you can just plug it in
[10:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not for a projecter
[10:38] <torusJKL> Display adapter: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Wireless-Display-v2-Adapter/dp/B01C9YTI9S/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475750263&sr=1-1&keywords=microsoft+wireless+display+adapter+v2
[10:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may want to use with a projecter at an event to
[10:39] <torusJKL> USB charger: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Certificated-2000mAh-Universal-Motorola-BlackBerry/dp/B00KXVT9GM/ref=sr_1_8?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475750324&sr=1-8&keywords=usb+charger
[10:39] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: the aboce are all suggestions. You might find a cheaper or better product.
[10:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can't click links on tablets  so will have to type things in or get from log a bit later
[10:40] <torusJKL> But if you have all 3 you are good to go.
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but that one said blackberry that going to work ?
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, price uhmm  I don't care to much for htis
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I understand may get a hepaer one if looking around more
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> cheaper
[10:41] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: electricity does not care about your phone. :-)
[10:41] <matv1> Actually, I am really missing audio over hdmi now. When connected to a TV screen for instance.
[10:41] <matv1> I havn't heard that being worked on. Does anyone know ?
[10:42] <torusJKL> matv1: never tried audio.
[10:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, devies need power to work, if  that's what you meant yes
[10:43] <matv1> torusJKL it is not supported right now so it doesnt work. audio will only come from your phone/tablet speakers even if hdmi or wireless connected to a screen with speakers
[10:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, davmor2  it's apparantly cooler doing it the wireless display adapater way :), but if I could be set up properly the hdmi way as well, that would be something
[10:45] <matv1> davmor2 do you know if audio over hdmi is wip or even planned ?
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  when the display adapaer is used
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> does it turn off the sreen or kind of thing
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on the device
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or you get two screens to properly use ?
[10:47] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD the device screen goes black and can only be used as mouse input device
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, oh I undersand now it said blackberry, but it shoudn't matter since it's for power
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah I think I saw that in a video, well that's a bit suckky reallly, since don't have two sreens to powerly use
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but with hdmi would it be like that as well ?
[10:48] <davmor2> matv1: I think it is on the long term plans but not in the current queue
[10:48] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD yes. definitely
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, so hdmi it goes black to?
[10:48] <matv1> davmor2 right oh
[10:48] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: not every device support MHL. The Pro5 for example does not.
[10:49] <torusJKL> So it is not possible to connect it directly to the HDMI.
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, MHL for the wireles display adapter ?
[10:49] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: no, if you want a cable from the phone directly into the HDMI in.
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, oh the MHL is for the HDMI right ok
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, does thsi one support that? the BQ M10 HD  Ubuntu
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not the FHD
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the white HD version
[10:50] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD indeed like torusJKL said. be ware. AFAIK the only device on which MHL works is the Nexus phone
[10:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not the black FHD
[10:50] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: the m10 has a separate hdmi out no need for mhl
[10:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, what do I need to do  to use the  m10  hd  with hdmi ?
[10:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> also whilst we are at it I should chekc maybe what rassbery pi would need for nex dock
[10:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I assume wit the right stuff again, which is probably just the same for what we been talking about, since  the os is android basd anhway but... oh acstaully the resolution thing hmm  so the remix os ultra tablet may not work
[10:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the nex dock as well, not just the minis
[10:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> remix minis
[10:53] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: according to the product page the M10 has a Micro-HDMI out. So you would need an adapter to regular HDMI.
[10:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, there are two ersions of the m10.  so the hd one is like that as well ?
[10:53] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: I think it might be a micro hdmi lead check the stats on the bq website it should tell you
[10:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> versions above
[10:54] <torusJKL> This one? https://store.bq.com/en/aquaris-m10-hd-ubuntu-edition-blanco
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, the whie one yes, can't click links in libertine
[10:54]  * SebthreeBQM10HD thinks it will be great when links are clickable
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the white is the hd version, which I am using now
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and the black is the full hd
[10:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, so I wan to use the tablet assuming it will work :) wit the display adapater, but also possibly at times with hdmi, and so that's with hte nexdock really.  however I  have also been organising an event and on october 22nd we have a venue with a projecter, might use that with it to for something,  or something else  but either way a display adapater should also work with a projecter ?
[11:00] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes it will work if the projector has HDMI in.
[11:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, diplay  adpater wise,buy what youput above basically right
[11:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but for hdmi wha to buy ?
[11:03] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: short adapter cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-Female-Adapter-Straight-Gold-Plated/dp/B00F44EZM6/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1475751749&sr=8-14&keywords=micro-hdmi+adapter
[11:03] <torusJKL> Then use any regular HDMI cable to extend the range.
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, wel they sent a reguar hdmi cable wih the nex dock Ithink, and a hdmi to hdmi adapater as well which confussed me
[11:05] <torusJKL> This product looks better: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B2HOS08/ref=pd_sim_107_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=4R3G08DKR52H8D0HCN36
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what is a hdmi to hdmi adapter used for
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it has the same connecter
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure what that product is, I'll come back for the links in the log of the channel later
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since on tablet and can't click
[11:06]  * SebthreeBQM10HD and hasn't updated to ota 13 just yet, or could have copied and pasted actually
[11:06] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: what do you mean with the second cable. is it male to male or female to female?
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I  don't know
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't really know much abou hdmi cab les and such
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, I think itwas just a sandard hdmi cable they sen
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> t
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and some sort of a adapater as well
[11:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hdmi to hdmi adapatre, both ends were the same
[11:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and a small little thing
[11:10] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: Sorry that is not enough information for me to make an educated guess.
[11:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, they sent a cable with a confussing adapater
[11:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a hdmi cable
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, to be honest I would be happy to just buy another hdmi cable as well,
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the right kind etc
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> all ok
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> doesn't hurt having afew or so hdmi cables as well
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, just link to like everything I am meant to buy, and thanks, and I can buy today and :)
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and hopefully stuff work how it's mean to once got the things a well
[11:15] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD no not a regular hdmi cable. according to your nextdock link, they include a HDMI to Mini HDMI cable. So that means that your nextdock has a mini HDMI input
[11:16] <matv1> so all you would need is something like this https://www.amazon.com/Insten-HDMI-Micro-Adapter/dp/B0046S54GC
[11:17] <matv1> because the M10 has a micro hdmi port
[11:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah I think that was the issue
[11:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I didn't seem to have a micro  hdmi  thing on the cable
[11:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I coudn't connect to the small what seemed to be micro hdmi port
[11:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with what they sent me etc
[11:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, could you do a .co.uk link on amazon for that
[11:18]  * SebthreeBQM10HD will buy from amaon .co.uk a bit later so
[11:21] <matv1> sure. that would be: https://www.amazon.co.uk/HDMI-Female-Micro-Type-Adapter/dp/B0046S54GC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475752780&sr=1-2&keywords=micro+hdmi+adapter+male
[11:21] <matv1> or
[11:21] <matv1> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-Female-Adapter-Straight-Gold-Plated/dp/B00F44EZM6/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475752780&sr=1-6&keywords=micro+hdmi+adapter+male
[11:23] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD save yourself some money for the next Ubuntu phone :)
[11:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, so with all tha should be able to use it, with the tablet, using wireless display adpater or hdmi ?
[11:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, also with all that should be able to use it with a rassbery pi even?  http://nexdock.com/support-raspbery-pi/
[11:30] <torusJKL> Here are all the cables provided by nex: https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1463848041/wsirnmbofciqljy5sdwa.jpg
[11:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, can't see right now sinc what I put earlier, but right
[11:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, however if I am linked to the right stuff as we were doing, I can just buy later :d, and thanks a lot for your help
[11:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for money!
[11:32] <matv1> what I said is restricted to hdmi. Your wireless display adapter has a full sized hdmi out. to connect that to your nextdock you will need:
[11:32] <matv1> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Afunta-Female-Converter-Adapter-Cable/dp/B00ODTCDJK/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475753514&sr=1-6&keywords=mini+hdmi+adapter+male
[11:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I had a look before, things may get a bit pricy, but I waited for a late enough time to have money to buy things, and that time is now
[11:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, what would the hdmi out be used for?
[11:36] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD you would plug that adapter onto the big end of the wireless diplay thing and the small end into the mini hdmi port on your nextdock. Then youd be ready to go
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, I might have to find you again or omeone else if not, when I got all thse cables and what not
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> might be abit confufssing or at first I guess :d
[11:38] <matv1> sure np. I am here a lot :)
[11:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, now then, anything else I am meant to get for that thing, so I wan to be able to run the tablet with it yes,  hdmi and wireless display adapater,  but also possibly later on a rassbery pi
[11:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for exmple
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes i says on the page that need a mouse for that, but right yeah ok  no problem.  may buy another o2g adpaater acstaully since not suer whre mine is right now, or the lovely mouse, upstairs some where in the mess hmm
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, but yes I baically today  or tommorow if well I got things to do in a bit ec so
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes soon.  I want to order like everything I would need for the nexdock
[11:40] <matv1> all you really need are the cable they gave you, a wireless display adapter, and the to adapters (mini and micro) and you be set up for everything you need.
[11:40] <matv1> two*
[11:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah the adhmi stuff is optional
[11:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since should be able to do it the wireless display way
[11:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but depending on cost etc, may buy hdmi stuff soon as well
[11:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, what's needed for the rassbyer pi though, that's differnet, other htan the mouse
[11:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you see that page?
[11:43]  * SebthreeBQM10HD The  Nexdock  The Worlds Chapest "lap top
[11:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that you  have to buy more stuff for
[11:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to use properly
[11:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they advertised as the chapest lap top baically
[11:44] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD the stuff i listed should be solid for connecting the screen to your rasb.
[11:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, solid as in everything for that as well ?
[11:47] <matv1> now as in screenwise, yes. I dont know if the rasb has a bt module. For connecting the bt keyboard and pad
[11:47] <matv1> the vid they have doesnt really give an answer to that
[11:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  yeah probably not, but I haen't exatly used my two porperly yet so far anyway :D
[11:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess I can look more into that one later on some time maybe
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes if I can do everything with  the tablet properly
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> perfect!
[11:48] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD gd luck!
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, want to use the nexdock at my event on October 22nd, as I put earloier
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the tablet
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu convergence on the nexdock :D
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe on a projecter to, but that's going to be used for other things probably
[11:50] <matv1> well as torusJKL said earlier: the crux would be if that projector has a hdmi input for the wireless display
[11:50] <matv1> youd better check that as soon as possible
[11:50]  * SebthreeBQM10HD  if I am missing something, come back blame matv1 :d,  since  he got me buying from Amazon again or some where else if not, since well I am no Amazon Prime member as well
[11:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, well assuming it dos have the hdmi input, I  should be able to use it?
[11:51] <matv1> haha :) np I am far away in the netherlands so try and find me
[11:51] <matv1> lol
[11:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, it's ok,  I may be in ENgland, but it doesn't take that much to get over there,  then I can come find you :d
[11:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, in fact I was intending on going to Brussels soon for uhmmm FOSDEM,  maybe a trip to Neterhlands should happen to whilst at it :d.  ah I just told you dates, you might hide out in GErmany or some where instead now :D heh heh
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> soon as in well it's not that soon
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it will be coming up again
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> FOSDEM is awesome :)
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, anyway seriously thanks for all your help :)
[11:54] <matv1> yes I might be going to Ubecon europe in germany next month if thats what you mean. maybe see you there
[11:54] <matv1> cheers
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, nah I don't have the money to go to an event in Germany right now
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so nope
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> time yes, money no
[11:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, thing with England htough is got to get across  that sea some how, and they like to charge quite a bit for that usually
[11:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, and then there will be potential issues in the next three years or so, becaus of the brexit stuff as well hmm
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> going some where like Brussels will really be like going to Europe then :d
[11:56] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD lol :)
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, but whatever I am also half Swedish
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and so it turns out
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I can get a dual passport if I want
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I can be a Sweed if I want to be :d
[11:57] <matv1> being half swedish is always a good thing!
[11:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, might become useufl in places such as brussels,  you know with the actsual EU HQ located there and such
[11:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it was close,  about half out, about half in,  but a lot of people who don't normally vote ended up voting, and went for leave
[11:58] <matv1> I dont think for visiting it will ever be a problem. Just if you would want to live here longer or work here
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> espeically from Wales uh
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> also Scoltand was mostly in, but they are in UK so
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah or studying maybe dpeending on deals ec
[11:58] <matv1> but we maybe on the verge of getting the off-topic police on our backs soon :)
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, maybe, but not so much here
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Ubuntu touch has to  well be in and out of the eu anyway
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> all over the world :D
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ideally
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, here's a good one that brings things more back on topic to
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, do you think in certain situations a device running Ubuntu touch, would acsually be ready  already, for non techies
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's actually rather useable, unless people want apps such asa pokemon go and whatsapp etc
[12:02] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD absolutely. using the tablet as a tablet is a good experience already imo
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, I have an event aimed at the general publiccomin gup
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to try and get htem interested in Linux and even CReative Commons a bit
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so other people will be domonstrating Ubuntu on computers, but I am doing mobile device suff a bit
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus to make it more interesting arranging backound music that's CC, and some open movies
[12:03] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD awsum!
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  yes I use the tablet with my logitech k480  nearly all the time now
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> instead of a computer
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but  I am mostly just doing basic things  anyway, IRC, emails, listneing to music etc,  who needs a computer for that? I don't
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I would do virtual machines on a computer for exmple though, but not done that for quite a while
[12:04] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD right. although I like working on a big screen. or preferably 2 big screens
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well the tablet screeen is
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> reasoanbly big
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and connec it to the nexdock and well
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you just turned the tablet into a 14inch lap top basically :D
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> altough with a blueetooth keyboard and mouse
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and with the right connecters etc, as we were discussing earlier of ourse
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> course
[12:06] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD well my best experience has been to connect it with a hdmi cable to a bigger screen and use a bt mouse and kb
[12:06]  * SebthreeBQM10HD saw a log of this channel whenever it was not that long ago, and it was full of well me and me and more me, and this one will be to, since how i  end up typing stuff usaully on irc, h eh  h eh,  an I thought this earlier to, but now typing it
[12:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yes that's what they cal full convergence it seems, bigger screen with blueetooth mouse and keyboad
[12:07] <matv1> but i still like my ubuntu laptop better atm
[12:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lap top better why ?
[12:08]  * SebthreeBQM10HD would use another distro on the lap top for now b y choice really, bu acsaully been using ubuntu on latest lap top longer than inended, since it's no quite set up properly still, and needs proper re setting up now as well really
[12:08]  * SebthreeBQM10HD finds the tablet and phone interesitng tough
[12:08] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD lol well unity8 mir needs a lot of work still
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  I guess my Tizen R1 may work  with nexdock to  once I got that stuff
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on tablet and phone unithy 8 seems great
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and mir I guess then since it runs on that
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but when I did try on the lap top well
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> first of all, how do you install  standard DESKTOP linux programs?  oh can't,  or can't easilly oh
[12:10] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD I meant i prefer my regular ubuntu -Unity7- on my laptop
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why ?
[12:11] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD as I said Unity8 and Mir..
[12:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah, but what's wrong with them
[12:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> do you think?
[12:12] <matv1> nothing wrong except lots of missing bits
[12:13] <matv1> joey sneddon just wrote an update on unity8 and mir on omg ubuntu. he was still not very excited either
[12:14] <Mirv> tsdgeos: can you proposed https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/151559/ for 5.6 too? in general, we'll want to have as many fixes as possible in upstream 5.6 since that's what we're going to use too.
[12:14] <matv1> just to name a few glaring bits: multiple monitor support is not there. multple users not even worked out well. libertine installs of choosen x-apps needs to be a button basically
[12:15] <matv1> app confinement still poses lots of problems as well for loads of apps
[12:15] <matv1> matv1 a lot to do so lets get on with it :)
[12:16]  * matv1 needs to get lunch
[12:30] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i think people was scared about it
[12:30] <tsdgeos> that's why it ended up in 5.7 only
[12:30] <Mirv> tsdgeos: upstream shouldn't be scared of their own codebase :)
[12:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok, I also mentioned it just so that the general idea is out there
[12:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it's unfortunate if our 5.6 will become a monster hybrid, which I'm afraid it will already become at this rate
[12:32] <Mirv> I've a pile of patches for compiling Qt Quick Controls 2 against Qt 5.6..
[12:32] <tsdgeos> Mirv: there's still an apparent "not enough people with declarative knowledge" upstream
[12:32] <tsdgeos> which is weird given it seems to be their main money maker
[12:32] <tsdgeos> i can ask
[12:32] <Mirv> heh
[12:32] <Mirv> ok
[12:54] <ghosalmartin> rsalveti: hello, you around?
[12:55] <jgdx> hey vigo, I've reproduced all of these things on a device not using silo 1943. So they are bugs/regressions from OTA13 and later, but not introduced by 1943 afaics.
[12:55] <jgdx> vigo, let me file a bug for all of these, okay? :)
[12:57] <jgdx> vigo, although I'm not entirely certain the first search bug is a bug: seems as designed to me
[12:57] <jgdx> anyway, good testing and excellent writeup of these issues
[12:57] <jgdx> thanks
[13:00] <jgdx> vigo, filed bug 1630988 and bug 1630987
[13:14] <vigo> jgdx, thank you for filing both :)
[13:14] <jgdx> vigo, maybe you can file the first one, and state how you'd like it designed, maybe affect ubuntu-ux
[13:15] <vigo> jgdx, I'll update them with some info if you don't mind :), yea sure I'll file it too
[13:16] <vigo> maybe is working as designed but it feels annoying to dissmis always the osk just because you used the search once :\
[13:24] <jgdx> vigo, yeah, seems that if you return to the main screen after a search, search should be closed.
[13:24] <vigo> jgdx, great :) filing it
[13:25] <jgdx> vigo, thanks
[13:27] <vigo> jgdx, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1630999
[13:39] <tsdgeos> Mirv: do we happen to have a note which our bugs that patch fixed?
[13:57] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1556842
[13:57] <tsdgeos> tx
[14:25] <tsdgeos> Mirv: Qt people suggest to try https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/169892/13 for the arm64 crash
[14:30] <oftc_ftw> Hello everyone. Since quite a while I am waiting for background tasks in Ubuntu Phone. I subscribed to [1] but it seems there is no activity whatsoever. What are the plans for this? I don't exactly know what "Saucy" means but when I click on it I see a lot of 13.xx milestones which I assume mean 2013. It's now 2016 and still no progress, not even a discussion going on. Am I looking in the wrong place? Or is this not a priority
[14:30] <oftc_ftw> (in the sense of not at all)? [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-background-task-service
[14:32] <oftc_ftw> I am an (open source) app developer and have two apps in mind with some prototyping already done. But there is no way these app are going to work without being able to run in background.
[14:34] <dobey> oftc_ftw: we don't use blueprints for phone features; and anyone can create blueprints on launchpad, so they are not a good metric for finding out what's happening
[14:35] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, this project tracks some requested use cases https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-application-lifecycle
[14:35] <pmcgowan> we won't open up all background processing but are happy for folks to contribute services for the main use cases
[14:36]  * dobey still really does not like that
[14:38] <oftc_ftw> thanks for the info and the link. pmcgowan, could you elaborate on what it means to not "open up all background processing"? are you saying my app will not be able run in the background?
[14:41] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, yes,the preference is to provide support for what you need running in the background
[14:42] <pmcgowan> the idea is we should be able to do 90% of whats needed without completely allowing any process to background
[14:42] <pmcgowan> we have been picking off use cases one by one ut I konw its frustrating
[14:44] <pmcgowan> I mean provide it in a standard service
[14:54] <dobey> pmcgowan: it's not just simply frustrating
[14:58] <matv1> pmcgowan shouldnt you be making a distinction here between desktop-mode and phablet-mode?
[14:59] <pmcgowan> matv1, good question, I will now drag tvoss into the conversation, this is being discussed
[15:01] <matv1> pmcgowan tvoss looking foward to the current thinking on this :)
[15:01] <pmcgowan> we really need to publish a roadmap
[15:01] <pmcgowan> then let folks comment
[15:01] <pmcgowan> too much to do
[15:02] <matv1> pcmgowan i feel your pain :)
[15:03] <dobey> matv1: i don't really think presentation mode of the UI should matter there
[15:03] <matv1> dobey well there are 2 lines of thinking here.
[15:04] <matv1> one is the energy consideration. in that case no, bg processing should still be surpresed
[15:04] <dobey> i disagree
[15:05] <matv1> the other is well desktop mode should be what it is currently. so bg processing should be allowed
[15:05] <matv1> dobey remind me of your thinking :)
[15:07] <dobey> processing should be managed equally in both cases, and it should be up to the user how much energy they want to use. just shoving background processing off to system services doesn't solve the energy issue
[15:07] <matv1> right so it should be a user-choice ?
[15:07] <matv1> always ?
[15:08] <dobey> i think you're confusing "user choice" here with "an option in the ui to allow or disallow background processing"
[15:08] <matv1> I am not confusing. I am asking you :)
[15:09] <dobey> user choice as in choosing to only perform light duty tasks, or play high intensity 3d game on a laptop, for example
[15:09] <dobey> if i want to keep an app open and talking to a bluetooth device, that should be my coice, not a policy decision by the system
[15:10] <ali1234> if i start any long-running non-interactive task i expect it to keep running in the background while i do something else
[15:12] <dobey> now, there can be some emergency response policy in the system, such as ending comms and forcing app to save its state and exit when battery is too low, and that's fine
[15:15] <matv1> dobey I see. Yes that sounds good. I was definetly thinking too much inside the current box
[15:16] <matv1> so if i understand you correctly you are saying it should be a mix of user configuration and ´system-intelligence´
[15:16] <matv1> for lack of a better word
[15:17] <matv1> no matter what the platform
[15:17] <oftc_ftw> pmcgowan: thanks for the clarification (and sorry for my late reply). so, what will you do about the remaining 10% then?
[15:17] <dobey> well not user configuration, just simply user choosing to use apps that may expend more battery, such as navigation versus not doing so
[15:18] <oftc_ftw> i see the ongoing discussion here and maybe it's not too late to say that I personally want to be able to do geeky stuff on my phone in the background.
[15:18] <dobey> there can be an API similar to the one on iOS for requesting CPU time to process, and some heuristics to deal with low battery or extreme resource usage and such, but in general the background processing should be allowed
[15:19] <oftc_ftw> like running a background service permanently that checks certain thinks like running processes in an interval
[15:19]  * oftc_ftw agrees with dobey
[15:20] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, so there is an escape if you use teak-geek
[15:20] <pmcgowan> sorry tweak-geek
[15:20] <pmcgowan> you can then open up your phone and play away
[15:24] <oftc_ftw> pmcgowan: so if i want to write an app that does something in the 10% range, i will have to ask users to install UT Tweak Tool (tweak-geek says its deprecated) and allow background services system-wide? Or is there a per-app setting? is this basically a root-enabling app, similar to android's superSU?
[15:25] <dobey> oftc_ftw: it's a dconf setting with a list of apps
[15:25] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, no its not to be used for general users but it allows you to do things on your own phone
[15:26] <pmcgowan> if you want to provide an app then we need to fit it into the system
[15:26] <dobey> oftc_ftw: it's basically the only way you can do it now; or you can ship your apps in the "open [sic] store"
[15:26] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, so what is your app wanting to do?
[15:27] <oftc_ftw> And if UT Tweak Tool allows to enable background tasks, why cannot I (with the appropriate permissions) enable them in my app? Can I modify dconf settings?
[15:28] <dobey> your app is confined
[15:28] <matv1> apparmor doesnt allow it
[15:29] <oftc_ftw> pmcgowan: for instance i want to run a shell command whenever another app becomes the foreground app. this is something i do in android, not what i want to do (right now) on UT, just an example (in case you want to say it should not be allowed to see other apps or something).
[15:30] <dobey> i don't know if there's a reasoanbly easy way to tell if an app is in foreground or not, but you could certainly do that on your own device if you wish
[15:31] <oftc_ftw> When I said I want to do geeky stuff on my phone, I meant I want to do it on my phone and then allow others to do it as well if they want. :P
[15:32] <oftc_ftw> dobey: i have no current use-case for that detection on UT because the app in question is Android-only.
[15:34] <oftc_ftw> so, will there be a way to wake up the app after a timeout? i get the push-messaging approach, but what if there is no central server that could notify the client? how will irc work if the app does not receive messages in the background?
[15:35] <dobey> well, irc should probably work via the messaging framework based on telepathy
[15:40] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, we also have a polling daemon which takes plugins, so if the service doesn't provide push you can simulate it with polld
[15:42] <dobey> pmcgowan: i don't think we support apps providing plug-ins though do we? and even if so, it's not a nice solution, and not usable for things which require persistent link, or which need to be polled more often
[15:42] <oftc_ftw> ok maybe i can fit into the 90% for now. :) yet i fear the day when UT is well established and I find one of my app ideas in the 10%...
[15:44] <oftc_ftw> dobey: i tried to find docs on that framework and i'm not sure if it would work. did you say it because of IRC or is it designed to support any (even proprietary) service?
[15:46] <pmcgowan> dobey, maybe its only blessed apps at this point, I know mardy did some work to make plugins run in separate processes so we could accept them
[15:46] <dobey> pmcgowan: and do they have to be written in go?
[15:47] <dobey> oftc_ftw: telepathy is pluggable, so could support any messaging service really; i don't know what the plans are exactly for making it possible to provide alternate back-ends
[15:56] <dobey> anyway i gotta get lunch
[15:59] <ali1234> telepathy has always been terrible for irc. there is no good reason for it. the developers just hate irc and refuse to implement it properly.
[17:13] <Tims_Tech> how to compile ubuntu touch from a cm11 source?
[17:54] <dobey> meh
[18:32] <oftc_ftw> thanks for information earlier, guys, appreciate it. i'm just going to wait and see how everything turns out as apparently there's nothing i can do app-wise anyway. so, thanks again!
[18:45] <oftc_ftw> hm i have another question if you don't mind: looking at the "OpenStore" app on the Openstore-Website it says "Apparmor profile: unconfined". Does that mean that an alternative app store has to have this profile? If yes, how can I create an alternative app store like F-Droid and install it? Or is the limitation to that just that I would not be able to distribute an app that uses unconfined profile via the Ubuntu Store?
[18:46] <dobey> oftc_ftw: you can side-load any .click package you want (assuming it's for the same architecture)
[18:48] <dobey> oftc_ftw: right, "unconfined" is a reserved profile, and even with it, you don't get background processing. the "open store" allows you to do some extra things, though.
[18:58] <oftc_ftw> thanks dobey! i don't exactly understand what the "open store" is then. how can it do more than any other app that has the "unconfined" profile?
[19:02] <dobey> oftc_ftw: the store itself can't do more than any other app that has the unconfined profile; but "unconfined" can access more things on disk, so open store apps can provide upstart jobs for example. and such
[19:44] <oftc_ftw> ah thanks dobey, got it. i misinterpreted your answer as "even with unconfined background processing won't work, but the open store allows it".


[01:14] <ceti331> anyone know how to launch the kde panel from commandline (i have kwin installed, i've run that from within a fvwm session)
[01:35] <ceti331> ah, startkde, i have evryything now, great
[01:56]  * RAOF is not sure why ceti331's trying to start a KDE session from within a fvwm session rather than just starting a KDE session.
[02:56] <ceti331> i didnt have a kde session option displayed
[03:04] <RAOF> If you installed kubuntu-desktop, you should have.
[03:14] <ceti331> kde seems pretty good overall just flaky screen corner triggering which is a shame ... i like that shortcut
[03:14] <ceti331> (i like screen corners bringing up desktop expo)
[04:56] <pitti> Good morning
[05:31] <didrocks> good morning
[06:16] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:16] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti. Happy Friday!
[06:16] <pitti> didrocks: happy Friday 13th to you too!
[06:16] <didrocks> pitti: oh indeed, it is!
[06:48] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks, pitti
[06:48] <rickspencer3> wow, Gtk3 sure left a lot behind
[06:48] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3
[06:48] <rickspencer3> for example, I cannot find how you are supposed to do pixbuf_new_from_data now
[06:49] <rickspencer3> maybe it's just my_image.set_data now?
[06:49] <rickspencer3> grrrrr
[06:50] <RAOF> I thought they pretty much just gutted pixbufs in their entirety?
[06:51] <RAOF> In favour of cairo surfaces?
[06:51] <rickspencer3> RAOF, oh, I don't know
[06:51] <rickspencer3> there are still pixbuf's in the documentation
[06:56] <rickspencer3> I'll just have nathan write the paste data into a temp file, and load that into the image
[06:56] <rickspencer3> in the meantime ...
[06:56]  * rickspencer3 shakes fist at Gtk Python programming
[06:57] <RAOF> I'm sure you can create a cairo image from data; maybe that's not enough, though.
[06:57] <rickspencer3> RAOF, if just sound unnecessarily hard, and there is zero sample code
[06:57] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, it's cairo in the new world :)
[06:58] <rickspencer3> I'm supposed to be introducing someone to how fun programming Ubuntu apps is
[06:58] <rickspencer3> it's not going quite as planned
[06:58] <RAOF> :/
[07:07] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, how are you?
[07:07] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[07:07] <rickspencer3> I'm super grumpy
[07:08] <rickspencer3> trying to help someone make a simple copy and paste image example with Python and Gtk3
[07:08] <rickspencer3> and the documentation is a combination of missing and wrong :/
[07:08] <rickspencer3> which sucks considering none of my pygtk code is relevant anymore
[07:08] <pitti> rickspencer3: did you import GdkPixbuf and try GdkPixbuf.new_from_data ?
[07:08] <pitti> I was fairly sure I tried that already, but I don't remember any more whether it succeeded
[07:10] <rickspencer3> pitti, ah!
[07:10] <rickspencer3> sweet
[07:10] <RAOF> As always, I'm sure the C documentation will be more useful. That's what I always look at when I'm doing GTK development.
[07:10] <RAOF> :(
[07:10] <pitti> rickspencer3: gdk-pixbuf is a separate module, so it comes with a separate gir
[07:11] <rickspencer3> I had no f'ing idea
[07:11] <rickspencer3> and none of this is http://developer.gnome.org/gdk-pixbuf/unstable//gdk-pixbuf-The-GdkPixbuf-Structure.html#GdkPixbuf
[07:12] <pitti> $ mkdir /tmp/pixbuf; g-ir-doc-tool -o /tmp/pixbuf /usr/share/gir-1.0/GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir; yelp /tmp/pixbuf
[07:12] <pitti> FYI
[07:12] <rickspencer3> pitti, is there a symmetrical function call that gets the data from the pixbuf?
[07:12] <rickspencer3> is that get_pixels?
[07:12] <pitti> I'm waiting for the day when you can do yelp /usr/share/gir-1.0/GdkPixbuf-2.0.gir
[07:12] <pitti> it seems like we are this --><-- close
[07:13] <pitti> that's the Pythonic documentation, BTW
[07:13] <pitti> rickspencer3: almost
[07:14] <pitti> rickspencer3: new_from_data gets a string, while get_pixels() returns an array of bytes
[07:14] <rickspencer3> oh geez
[07:14] <rickspencer3> so how do I get a string?
[07:14] <pitti> you can convert the byte array into a string, hang on
[07:28] <rickspencer3> oh geez, new from data takes 9 arguments :/
[07:30] <RAOF> new_from_data takes a *string*? Why doesn't it take a byte array?!
[07:33] <rickspencer3> RAOF, no, it takes a byte array
[07:33] <rickspencer3> does it not?
[07:33] <rickspencer3> it used to
[07:33] <rickspencer3> msg Nathan_S http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7906814/converting-pil-image-to-gtk-pixbuf
[07:33] <pitti> rickspencer3, RAOF: b'' _is_ a byte array
[07:34] <RAOF> Ah, python.
[07:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: I got a DSL reconnect, what was the last line you saw from me?
[07:34] <pitti> get_pixels() is working fine here
[07:34] <pitti> it's the new_from_data I have trouble with
[07:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, I saw that were going to look to convert get_pixels() return value to a string
[07:35] <rickspencer3> but I don't think that is actually necessary
[07:35] <pitti> rickspencer3: no, it's fine
[07:35]  * pitti replays
[07:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: actually, I lied; new_from_data also takes a bytes array, so they are symmetrical
[07:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: so, get_pixels() seems fine
[07:36] <pitti> this works:
[07:36] <pitti> pb = GdkPixbuf.Pixbuf.new_from_file('/usr/share/pixmaps/debian-logo.png')
[07:36] <pitti> print('data:', pb.get_pixels())
[07:36] <pitti> data: b'\xbf\x03H\x00 ...'
[07:37] <rickspencer3> pitti, may I assume that what is on the Gtk.clipboard when someone copies an image is a byte array suitable for new_from_data?
[07:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: and I also checked that creating a new pixbuf with new_from_data() from an existing one with get_data() also works fine
[07:37] <pitti> but if I try to use it with a hardcoded one, I get strange results
[07:37] <rickspencer3> pitti, do you not need to supply the 9 arguments?
[07:37] <pitti> yes
[07:37] <rickspencer3> ok
[07:38] <pitti> data = b'\xFF\xFF\xFF\x00\x00\x00\xFF\xFF\xFF\x00\x00\x00'
[07:38] <pitti> pb = GdkPixbuf.Pixbuf.new_from_data(data, GdkPixbuf.Colorspace.RGB,
[07:38] <pitti>                                     False, 8, 2, 2, 6, None, None)
[07:38] <pitti> data, colorspace, has_alpha, bits_per_pixel, width, height, rowstride, and two Nones
[07:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: but it seems it mistreats the data, when I do it like this the get_pixels() result has a text prefix
[07:39] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[07:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: but that doesn't happen if I get the data from an already existing object, like another pixbuf or clipboard etc.
[07:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: so I think it should work fine for you
[07:42] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, it looks like chromium just puts a pixbuf on the clipboard
[07:42] <rickspencer3> I wonder if we can just do that from python as well
[07:44] <rickspencer3> pitti, omg
[07:44] <rickspencer3> this is actually waaaaay easier than it used to be
[07:44] <rickspencer3> you can just put pixbuf's on the clipboard
[07:45] <rickspencer3> so, all the groveling around for the data and formatting it seems to no longer be needed
[07:45] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh, does GdkPixbuf has a method for putting on the clipboard?
[07:45] <rickspencer3> or maybe it was always like that, and I was just doing it the hardway all along
[07:45] <pitti> or clipboard a method for putting on a GdkPixbuf object?
[07:45] <rickspencer3> pitti, clipboard.set_image(my_pixbuf)
[07:45] <pitti> (probably the latter rather)
[07:45] <rickspencer3> and
[07:45] <pitti> yay
[07:46] <rickspencer3> my_image.set_from_pixbuf(clipboard.wait_for_image())
[07:46] <rickspencer3> they are now both 1 liners
[07:48] <rickspencer3> I wonder if they always were, but I never went that route because I was setting targets and everything
[08:16] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:24] <RAOF> It's a seb128!  WOOOOOOOO
[08:26] <seb128> RAOF, you should call it a week, get a good deserved dinner and enjoy your weekend ;-)
[08:27] <seb128> RAOF, btw well done to Robert and you to get the system compositor work in a testable shape, I plan to install it on my test netbook today ;-)
[08:27] <RAOF> I'll just finish the due-diligance on smb's squid3 merge and then have a bath
[08:29] <RAOF> Boo. piuparts should have schroot integration.
[13:13] <didrocks> seb128: session-migration in NEW on all archs
[13:15] <seb128> didrocks, NEWed
[13:15] <didrocks> seb128: \o/ thanks :)
[13:15] <didrocks> now, let's chase mterry once he's around :)
[13:48] <didrocks> mterry: hey, how are you? :)
[13:48] <mterry> didrocks, great.  Yourself?
[13:48] <didrocks> mterry: I'm fine, thanks :)
[13:49] <didrocks> do you have some time for a quick MIR? It won't hurt! ;)
[13:51] <pitti> hey mterry, how are you?
[13:51] <mterry> didrocks, sure, throw it over
[13:51] <mterry> pitti, hi!  good
[13:51] <mterry> didrocks, aren't you on the MIR team?
[13:51] <seb128> hey mterry
[13:52] <didrocks> mterry: bug #1024381
[13:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1024381 in session-migration "[MIR] session-migration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024381
[13:52] <didrocks> mterry: well, I am, but it's my package :)
[13:52] <mterry> seb128, good EST morning :)
[13:52] <didrocks> I can ack it if you want :p
[13:52] <seb128> mterry, good GMT afternoon ;-)
[13:52] <didrocks> it's excellent "stuff"
[13:52] <seb128> mterry, happy friday 13th as well
[13:52]  * kenvandine does the friday the 13th dance
[13:53] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[13:53] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:53] <seb128> kenvandine, congrats on being officially our new chromium maintainer ;-)
[13:53] <seb128> you got it to build and updated!
[13:53] <kenvandine> NO WAY!
[13:53] <kenvandine> temporary :)
[13:53] <seb128> kenvandine, you just get to fix powerpc now ;-)
[13:53] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:53] <kenvandine> apparently it has never been build for powerpc
[13:54] <kenvandine> so not my problem :)
[13:54] <pitti> mterry: do you plan to fix the update-manager autopkgtest (missing python module dependency, etc.), or should someone else look into this?
[13:54] <mterry> pitti, I thought I did fix it.  What's missing now?
[13:54] <mterry> pitti, is there a failure log?
[13:54] <pitti> mterry: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-update-manager/9/ARCH=i386,label=albali/console
[13:54] <pitti> mterry: apparenty python-coverage is missing
[13:55] <pitti> mterry: also, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-update-manager/9/ARCH=i386,label=albali/artifact/results/dsc0t-nose-tests-stderr has some stuff; autopkgtest fails the tests on any stderr output
[13:56] <mterry> pitti, guh, didn't know it did that
[13:56] <pitti> mterry: I recommend something like this:
[13:56] <pitti> unittest.main(testRunner=unittest.TextTestRunner(stream=sys.stdout, verbosity=2))
[13:56] <mterry> pitti, python3-coverage doesn't exist yet
[13:56] <mterry> pitti, but the setup.cfg enables it, for when it does exist.  didn't think the noise would hurt anything
[14:01] <pitti> mterry: for testing you can run sudo adt-run --no-built-binaries update-manager_*.dsc --- adt-virt-null locally (or in a VM)
[14:01] <pitti> and then check $?
[14:02] <mterry> I remember running the test suite in a pbuilder, but not under adt-run, which was my fatal error
[14:14] <didrocks> mterry: tell me if/when you have some time to review it, I've a pending gnome-session upload for it
[14:14] <didrocks> mterry: if you think you can't make it, Monday is fine :)
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, k
[14:24] <pitti> mterry: I think you asked about udisks over night
[14:24] <pitti> mterry: I have no particular plans to update it again, unless someone asks me about something specific; it's obsolete, and we are transitioning to udisks2
[14:24] <mterry> pitti, ah right
[14:24] <pitti> we need to fix update-notifier and usb-creator-common still, though
[14:25] <mterry> pitti, does adt-run not have internet access?
[14:25] <pitti> mterry: it does
[14:26] <mterry> (on jenkins)
[14:26] <mterry> ok
[14:31] <mterry> pitti, I've subscribed to u-m and u-r-u jenkins failure RSS
[14:31] <mterry> pitti, u-m should be better in trunk.  looking at u-r-u failure
[14:31] <pitti> mterry: nice, thanks!
[14:32] <pitti> mterry: please note that autopkgtest runs currently need to be kicked off manually
[14:32] <pitti> we'll fix this on Monday when jibel is back
[14:32] <pitti> mterry: so if you want a manual test, please prod someone from the QA team to press the button
[14:32] <mterry> pitti, I'm assuming it tests the archive, not trunk of the packages?
[14:33] <pitti> mterry: right
[14:33] <pitti> mterry: whenever the pacakge itself, or any of its dependencies change
[14:33] <mterry> pitti, OK.  I wasn't planning to release anew for the test fix, but I can if you'd prefer
[14:33] <pitti> mterry: not that urgent; next week is fine, when adt is back
[14:52] <pitti> good night everyone, have a nice weekend!
[14:59] <didrocks> have a nice week-end pitti :)
[15:00] <mterry> didrocks, in session-migration, you want DESKTOP_SESSION not XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
[15:00] <mterry> i.e. you want to be able to distinguish between unity-2d and unity-3d or gnome fallback mode etc?
[15:00] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, DESKTOP_SESSION, because we maybe have separate gsettings database later on based on session, not on desktop
[15:00] <didrocks> exactly
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, can people upgrade properly even with the latest python3-defaults? :/
[15:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, those issues were supposed to be fixed yesterday, is your mirror uptodate?
[15:09] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: no, manually install the python3 package
[15:10] <mdeslaur> it's fixed, but if you're in a broken state, you need to manually fix it
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i can see the latest version but it won't upgrade with the broken state
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, thanks. i'll try that :)
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> i don't want to spend too much time on my computer ;)
[15:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw stop working, you are supposed to be on vac ;-)
[15:11] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/python3_3.2.3-3ubuntu1_all.deb
[15:11] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: and then turn it completely off :)
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i should just turn my laptop off ;)
[15:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good!  ;-)
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> ah, that's better, it's upgrading now :)
[15:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you say that because you don't know how buggy those updates are ;-)
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, there's not much to update here actually. i've got the new indicator stack already ;)
[15:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[15:22] <didrocks> mterry: thanks for the review!
[15:23] <mterry> yw!
[16:55]  * didrocks waves good evening and week-end!
[17:29] <kenvandine> desrt, what's the status of your wip/action_helper branch?
[17:38] <desrt> kenvandine: waiting for lars to get back from vacation
[17:38] <kenvandine> ok, i uploaded it to a ppa so we can hit the ground running when he returns
[17:39] <kenvandine> also uploading libindicator and libmessagingmenu
[18:00] <bcurtiswx> can someone test: change your presence with empathy <IP_ADDRESS> on precise with the empathy window, then try changing it with the indicator menu. Mine always goes to available and then does not change.
[18:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: ^ if you have precise
[18:03] <bcurtiswx> hmm, maybe ken had to leave early today


[12:56] <AndyCR> hi
[12:56] <AndyCR> anyone have an hp dv9000t?
[01:00] <AndyCR> anyone have suspend working?
[07:24] <spua7> Hi
[08:59] <benanzo> anyone know anything about EFI + ELILO on an Apple MacBook?
[10:19] <argh> hi just installed ubuntu 7.04 on my amilo m3438g, i would like to make a report... need something in particular?
[10:20] <argh> found issues with sound card and classic suspend/hibernate related to nvidia drivers...
[10:28] <crimsun> what sound issues?
[10:29] <argh> volume wheel can't change volume
[10:30] <crimsun> we can't do anything about that (there's already a bug reported)
[10:30] <crimsun> we need actual documentation, which hasn't been forthcoming
[10:30] <argh> uh oh
[10:31] <crimsun> upstream isn't exactly waiting with bated breath, either.
[10:32] <argh> anyway i found everything else works
[01:38] <PerToft> Hi
[06:42] <fluxy> hello people
[06:42] <fluxy> what's this channel about?
[06:43] <stantheman215> i'm trying to find the #ubuntu room but having trouble finding it in the extremely long list.  i there an easier way to get there?
[06:43] <fluxy> uh yeah
[06:43] <fluxy> /join #ubuntu
[06:44] <stantheman215> i enter that here in gaim somewhere?  or from the web?
[06:45] <fluxy> you using gaim?
[06:45] <stantheman215> yes
[06:45] <fluxy> just add the channel #ubuntu or something just as you used to join here (i never used gaim :S)
[06:47] <stantheman215> ok....because i just clicked on this room to get here but can't find the #ubuntu room.....thanks
[06:48] <stantheman215> ok.....i got it now!   thanks
[06:48] <fluxy> actually xchat makes a much better irc client, u shud give it a spin


[01:20] <Omnifrog> I've used Quassel before. It's not half bad
[01:21] <Unit193> It's not actually a great IRC client, but the killer feature it has is quasselcore.
[01:22] <Omnifrog> yeah
[01:23] <wrst> Yes the client is so-so but the core and cross platform clients are killer
[01:41] <minasota> wrst:I've use lets encrypt with owncloud and startcom. the cert warning when sharing via owncloud with self signed can be bypassed if you're serving with apache
[01:41] <wrst> minasota: I am using Apache
[01:43] <minasota> what version of owncloud
[01:44] <Unit193> ...You don't just add your own CA? :3
[01:44] <Unit193> (To your system and firefox)
[01:46] <wrst> minasota: I'm running the latest from the opensuse repo thing 8 something I think?
[01:46] <minasota> What if he shares a file and sends me a link? If I got there I'll get a nice warning in ff that the cert can't be verified Unit193
[01:47] <Unit193> minasota: My friend added my CA to his system too. :P
[01:47] <Unit193> But yeah, for that there's StartSSL or Let's Encrypt
[01:47] <minasota> That works if you share within a trusted/limited group of people that know you, trust you...
[01:50] <minasota> But yeah, you are right Unit193 to expand that to folks that don't know who you are, using lets encrypt or startssl helps
[01:54]  * minasota doesn't think it matters anyway, at some point all traffic go through something at some point that is vulnerable
[01:58] <Unit193> minasota: Teeechnically, if it's your own CA and with yourself or someone else that has it trusted, it's actually more secure. :>
[01:58] <Unit193> Also, I have an "internal" git server that has my own CA, well turns out I use it more than I thought and have linked some people, so internal CA is not the most ideal anymore.
[04:09] <cyberanger> Unit193: presuming you keep your CA more secure, and verify it's from your CA, check that another CA didn't sign an unauthorized cert to use to MitM you.
[22:54] <cyberanger> Hrm, I need a newer kernel for tails it seems, the laptop's ElanTech touchpad isn't being picked up (but my touchscreen is, so I've been able to try it all out at least)
[22:54] <cyberanger> Might double check with the DVD first (be sure the flash drive isn't corrupt) cause I thought I had it working there.


[01:01] <skellat> Cheri703: So, it has come to this...
[01:01] <gilbert> howdy
[01:02] <Cheri703> hey
[01:02] <gilbert> sorry i'm late guys
[01:02] <Cheri703> totally honest: lost track of time, but I'm here :)
[01:02] <gilbert> yeah, me too
[01:02] <Cheri703> who all is here for the meeting?
[01:02]  * drkokandy is here
[01:02]  * gilbert waves
[01:02]  * skellat is here
[01:03] <gilbert> so, small attendance apparently
[01:03] <Cheri703> *shrug* it happens
[01:03] <skellat> gilbert: Perhaps some people need pinging?
[01:03] <gilbert> eh, its december, people are busy
[01:03] <Cheri703> ++gilbert
[01:03] <gilbert> let's get started
[01:03] <skellat> Cheri703: It isn't like this wasn't announced on the mailing list and forum over 48 hours ago
[01:03] <bamoore> I am here. New to Ubuntu Oh and not familiar with IRC
[01:03] <ohio-mlot> hello...here for meeting short time
[01:04] <Cheri703> ah welcome :)
[01:04] <Cheri703> bamoore: pretty much just type and press enter :)
[01:04] <skellat> Welcome bamoore and ohio-mlot
[01:04] <gilbert> bamoore ohio-mlot welcome!
[01:04] <drkokandy> welcome bamoore ohio-mlot
[01:04] <bamoore> Thanks!
[01:04] <Cheri703> if you want someone's name auto-completed, type the first few letters and then press tab
[01:04] <bamoore> Ah, ok
[01:04] <Cheri703> there's a particular person floating around the ubuntu-sphere who is often referred to as "cz<tab>" :D
[01:05] <gilbert> ok, so i was thinking this would be informal, so anyone with news or topics of interest, go ahead and bring em up
[01:05] <Cheri703> because spelling it is complicated ;)
[01:05] <drkokandy> lol
[01:05] <bamoore> lol
[01:05] <Cheri703> uhm, Mansfield was going to have an ubuntu hour but it kinda got eaten. Not sure what's going on there. Unit193, if you have input, let us know :)
[01:05] <drkokandy> still okay for next week anyday Cheri703 Unit193
[01:06] <drkokandy> well, except friday
[01:06] <gilbert> so, a couple things happened since the last meeting: arizon loco was disconnected, and the not-happening ubu hours in some cities were taken out of the calendar
[01:06] <Cheri703> cool. Monday and tuesday I've got stuff going on, but beyond that I'm good.
[01:06] <Cheri703> Yeah, I got those taken care of
[01:06] <skellat> We actually made a monthly report for November 2012
[01:07] <gilbert> that too :)
[01:07] <drkokandy> congrats council
[01:07] <Cheri703> I have attempted a few venues of reaching out to the loco teams/council/whatnot, but no specific responses. going to try a few others
[01:07] <gilbert> anything else from that report worth bringing up again?
[01:08] <gilbert> i guess the big thing is the election for the third council seat (which totally fell off due to busyness)
[01:08] <skellat> Nah.  All the November report said was that we held an IRC meeting in November.  We need December activities like IRC meetings and Ubuntu hours to include for the December 2012 report that has to be up by the 1st Sunday in January 2013.
[01:08] <gilbert> well my own busyness
[01:08] <Cheri703> yeah, we need to get that going.
[01:08] <Cheri703> One thing I'll suggest before we do the election:
[01:09] <Cheri703> we should probably try to reach out to the other columbus group, just to get a feel for what they're up to. Not saying we'll give a seat to someone from the group, but just "adding more to ranks before election perhaps not a bad thing?"
[01:09] <drkokandy> they seem to be somewhat active
[01:09] <gilbert> yes, i've been meaning to interact more with Aaron, and i have his email somewheres
[01:10] <Cheri703> Another thing to consider: not having an "approved" loco for ohio and letting them do their thing and we do our thing without competition. Not sure about that one, been sort of mulling it around. There are some REALLY REALLY active groups that aren't "official"
[01:10] <drkokandy> here's the link to the group in case anyone needs it: http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-Stop/
[01:10] <gilbert> Cheri703: what are you saying?
[01:11] <Cheri703> no, like keeping the group
[01:11] <Cheri703> not getting rid of this group
[01:11] <Cheri703> (just realized how that might come across)
[01:11] <Cheri703> so we were the "approved" loco for the state of ohio, right?
[01:11] <Cheri703> and now our "approval" has expired
[01:11] <skellat> Just the psychological distance of being not directly associated with Canonical's hierachy?
[01:11] <gilbert> we really need to discuss getting that approval back
[01:11] <Cheri703> when there is an "approved" group, other groups are somewhat discouraged and are encouraged to assimilate.
[01:12] <Cheri703> we have a thriving "unofficial" group in the state. I don't think we should do anything to alienate them, considering they are pretty separated from "the community" at large afaik
[01:12] <Cheri703> and yeah gilbert, this may be a discussion for another time. just something I've been pondering a bit
[01:12] <skellat> Do we have enough of a critical mass to be able to support an approved team at the moment, though?
[01:13] <Cheri703> I don't really know
[01:13] <gilbert> ok, well working with other groups in the state is a very good thing in my opinion
[01:13] <Cheri703> that's why I want to discuss with community/loco/whoever council
[01:13] <gilbert> Cheri703: ok, let's discuss that now
[01:13] <gilbert> Cheri703: what are your thoughts?
[01:13] <skellat> Cheri703: As to that, I couldn't bring up the large-area/small-numbers issue during the Jono Bacon Band meeting earlier this week when you had to leave it
[01:14] <Cheri703> skellat: that seemed like a server team meeting, not a community meeting, so I dunno if times/rooms got messed up
[01:15] <Cheri703> gilbert: there is a new push for loco collaboration (at least a visible one), and I think that teams like u-CO (someone there mentioned having similar issues) and teams like ours, and teams that are making it work can work together to talk about best practices and such. Hoping stuff like that will come of this new push.
[01:15] <skellat> Oh, server team was in the meeting place.  The Community Team was off in #ubuntu-community-meeting and I contributed a little but didn't get to raise the large-area/separated numbers issue.
[01:15] <Cheri703> gotcha skellat :)
[01:16] <gilbert> is there a wiki regarding that "push"?
[01:16] <Cheri703> I'm going to write up an email for the loco council, will probably post it to the list for input before sending it.
[01:16] <Cheri703> uhm, I dunno, some of jono's blog posts
[01:16] <Cheri703> hang on, let me see what I can find
[01:16] <gilbert> Cheri703: sounds good
[01:17] <skellat> gilbert: Most of the push from the meeting was on beefing up The Advocacy Development Kit and trying to reach people where they're at rather than seeking to have them come to us.  At a couple points Jono raised the notion of pushing towards more use of AskUbuntu and Reddit in lieu of forums/lists.
[01:17] <Cheri703> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/11/08/ubuntu-advocacy-development-kit/
[01:17] <Cheri703> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/10/community-team-meetings-and-loco-teams/
[01:17] <gilbert> so, something i've been concerned about is the lack of activity from reloco leads. i wonder if we need to rethink that, or have some reloco lead pinging process?
[01:18] <skellat> We're going to need regular check-ins
[01:18] <gilbert> well, i don't want to be too formal, that just makes things unfun :(
[01:18] <Cheri703> yeah, when you have 2 people in your area (or one in some) it's easy to put down "hey, reloco!" but....nothing actually happens there
[01:18] <skellat> Of course, I saw in the logs jandrusk and paultag asking about Ashtabula being pinned on the map still and acknowledging that, yes, I am in fact still here...
[01:19] <paultag> :)
[01:19] <gilbert> skellat: but you're the only one in your area, right?  have you done any events?
[01:19] <skellat> I'm it locally in Ashtabula.  The only other known users live with me.
[01:20] <skellat> Nobody else has self-identified out here.
[01:20] <gilbert> a singular person isn't really a leader
[01:20] <Cheri703> There is some guy I saw on g+ that is in ohio, but I know nothing other than that, something Wagner, he replied to someone's post and mentioned ohio and I went "WHAA?!" and then didn't message him >_>
[01:20] <Cheri703> perhaps a post to the new g+ community, see if we can shake anyone out of the woodwork
[01:20] <gilbert> i'm sure there are ashtabula users out there, it's a question of evangilism and activity
[01:20] <gilbert> ...i mean getting to know them
[01:21] <Cheri703> it's hard to be "that weird person talking about computers" re: evangelism, if you're on your own
[01:21] <Cheri703> I made a sign for my work computer with an ubuntu logo on it :)
[01:21] <gilbert> Cheri703: very true
[01:21] <Cheri703> so folks can ask me if they're curious
[01:21] <gilbert> Cheri703: do you get many noticing that?
[01:21] <skellat> Evangelism and Activity is on hold until we get past crap like this in the local news: http://starbeacon.com/local/x942849664/Deputies-looking-for-pair-who-crashed-their-way-from-Kmart-shoplifting
[01:22] <gilbert> weird people are everywhere
[01:22] <skellat> Yes, but on Maslow's Hierarchy we've got lower-level issues that are verily unaddressed.
[01:23] <gilbert> doesn't mean we put our efforts on hold because there are weirdos out there
[01:23] <gilbert> skellat: do you mean within the loco?  if so, please expound
[01:23] <skellat> gilbert: Nope.  Just Ashtabula County.
[01:24] <Cheri703> can I interject a bit?
[01:24] <gilbert> Cheri703: please :)
[01:24] <skellat> Cheri703: Yep
[01:25] <Cheri703> bamoore, ohio-mlot, any other new-ish folks (or just new to IRC) how did you find U-Ohio and what would you like to see? What parts of the state are you in?
[01:25] <ohio-mlot> Dayton area myself
[01:25] <gilbert> ohio-mlot: cool!  i'm in dayton now too
[01:26] <ohio-mlot> sorry if I respond slow
[01:26] <gilbert> no problem
[01:26] <bamoore> Hmm...I believe I saw some activity on the Fridge, if I remember correctly. I am in NW Ohio.
[01:26] <ohio-mlot> first time using irc on android
[01:26] <Cheri703> bamoore: canthus13 isn't around, but he's in toledo :)
[01:27] <Cheri703> I'm in Mansfield
[01:27] <bamoore> I guess I am new to this so I am interested to see what all a LoCo does.
[01:27] <gilbert> ohio-mlot: are you aware of the dayton linux users group?
[01:27] <Cheri703> hehe, at the moment? ........not a ton ;) Goal is to have events and help each other and socialize and whatnot, as well as "spreading the word" about Ubuntu
[01:27] <Cheri703> support and socialization is most of what happens on IRC :)
[01:28] <ohio-mlot> gilbert: yes...just haven't gotten around there yet
[01:28] <gilbert> i try to make it to their monthly meetings
[01:28] <gilbert> http://www.dma1.org/linux/
[01:29] <gilbert> its a good way to get involved in this part of the state
[01:29] <bamoore> Ah, ok :). I am part of a student chapter of ACM (Association for Computing Machinery). I was thinking about trying to get more of them involved in Ubuntu...but I myself am still learning much about Ubuntu/Linux
[01:29] <gilbert> its of course more than ubuntu
[01:29] <ohio-mlot> gilbert: you guys meet at Wright State?
[01:29] <gilbert> next meeting is next thursday.  if you make it, i'll be there
[01:29] <gilbert> yes
[01:31] <gilbert> anyway, so any other topics of interest?  i need to step out soon
[01:31] <Cheri703> I'll work toward contacting LoCo council, not likely we'll get a response before the new year
[01:31] <Cheri703> that'll be my work item :)
[01:31] <gilbert> btw election may not happen till january.  i'll be way to busy unless Cheri703 wants to run it
[01:32] <skellat> I'm normally not this ranty.  It has been a weird day.
[01:32] <skellat> Do either bamoore or ohio-mlot know we have a podcast?
[01:32] <ohio-mlot> I guess I am looking to learn more about implementing Ubuntu at work...not tonight but eventually
[01:32] <gilbert> skellat: link it ;)
[01:32] <bamoore> skellat: Yes, I have listened to some of them
[01:32] <skellat> http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/burningcircle
[01:33] <Cheri703> there are a few people floating around who use ubuntu in a work environment, I think
[01:33] <gilbert> ohio-mlot: do you mean increasing installations at your work?
[01:33] <Cheri703> I use it full-time for my work, but...I work from home :)
[01:34] <gilbert> ohio-mlot: if you have any questions at any time, please feel free to ask here.  we're always happy to lend a hand
[01:34] <ohio-mlot> I mean to increase and eventually make it our primary os
[01:34] <gilbert> ohio-mlot: virtualization like kvm/virtualbox helps for those stingy windows apps that someone always needs
[01:35] <ohio-mlot> lol
[01:35] <ohio-mlot> those stingy apps for sure
[01:36] <ohio-mlot> we have begun moving most apps to the cloud in anticipation on moving more to ubuntu
[01:36] <gilbert> interesting
[01:36] <skellat> Excellent.  Any use of juju, ohio-mlot?
[01:37] <ohio-mlot> no, but interested in it
[01:37] <gilbert> skellat: do you want to write-up the meeting again and send a mail to the ml?
[01:37] <skellat> Yep.  Write-up goes out tomorrow.
[01:37] <skellat> Shall we meet in January?
[01:38] <gilbert> skellat: cool
[01:38] <gilbert> yep, we'll figure out a date later, but we should definately send a mail sooner than this one
[01:39] <drkokandy> um, one last thought?
[01:39] <skellat> Yes?
[01:39] <drkokandy> since we are so spread out, do you think it would be worthwhile to try to do a focused chat on a topic of interest prior to/during the next meeting?
[01:39] <drkokandy> I know a lot of people aren't in IRC all the time
[01:39] <skellat> :-)
[01:40] <gilbert> drkokandy: which topic are you interested in?
[01:40] <drkokandy> so having the chance to have a virtual discussion on an interesting topic might be more exciting than simply a business meeting - might draw some new people/people who weren't able to make today
[01:40] <drkokandy> I didn't have a topic in mind, really - I'm flexible and still pretty new to things
[01:41] <drkokandy> maybe something on Ubuntu for businesses like ohio-mlot was asking about?
[01:41] <gilbert> drkokandy: seems like something worth trying.  not sure what topic would be of strong interest.  maybe a "newbie" help session or getting started or something
[01:41] <gilbert> drkokandy: or that
[01:42] <skellat> Well, I'm doing a shortwave broadcast on WBCQ on New Year's Eve.  I can see if we can get Jorge Castro around to talk about Juju perhaps.
[01:42] <bamoore> I am interested in learning more about developing applications for Ubuntu but I am not sure if anyone here has development backgrounds?
[01:42] <drkokandy> and for convenience, my idea was the same night as the meeting - maybe before or so?
[01:42] <gilbert> drkokandy: we'd need to get a volunteer interested in leading the discussion on whatever topic taht's decided
[01:42] <drkokandy> oh, that's cool too
[01:42] <Cheri703> speaking of professionals speaking: http://ow.ly/fUX5s  My work is doing a webinar next week :)
[01:42] <Cheri703> it's about Analyzing malware in memory
[01:42] <Cheri703> :)
[01:42] <gilbert> bamoore: check out quickly
[01:43] <bamoore> gilbert: ok, will do. Thanks!
[01:44] <gilbert> anyway, gotta run.  good meeting!
[01:44] <gilbert> and welcome to the new guys again!
[01:45] <ohio-mlot> thank you
[01:45] <skellat> Goodnight gilbert.  Cheri703, shall I work with you to arrange a non-business topical meeting some time in January?
[01:45] <bamoore> Thanks
[01:45] <drkokandy> Cheri703: maybe we could use something like the poll you made to identify times to pick between these ideas for the chat?
[01:45] <Cheri703> sounds good skellat
[01:45] <ohio-mlot> gonna head out myself...hobbit tomorrow :-)
[01:45] <Cheri703> yeah, we can do something similar I think drkokandy
[01:45] <drkokandy> enjoy ohio-mlot - thanks for joining us
[01:45] <skellat> Okay, that's my work item until the next business meeting.
[01:46] <skellat> And posting minutes to the Planet
[01:47] <skellat> So, Cheri703, what topics would be interesting to have pop up at a topical?
[01:48] <Cheri703> I have no idea
[01:49] <Cheri703> sorry, my parents called and needed help picking something to watch on netflix -_-
[01:49] <Cheri703> but really, I have no idea what topic should be covered
[01:49] <skellat> Okay
[01:49] <skellat> Something to think about.
[01:50] <skellat> I better run off and get ready for Person of Interest on CBS.  Should be interesting tonight.
[01:50] <skellat> Goodnight Cheri703.
[01:50] <Cheri703> night
[01:52] <bamoore> I am going to hop off as well. Thank you for the warm welcome.
[01:52] <Cheri703> sure! come back any time :)'
[01:56] <Unit193> And now I'm here. :P
[01:57] <Cheri703> welcome back Unit193 :)
[01:57] <Unit193> Clearly I'm just on time as well.
[02:05] <drkokandy> whoops
[02:31] <Cheri703> drkokandy: how are you liking quassel?
[02:32] <drkokandy> So far, I like it Cheri703 - but for the first time today it's starting to give me a problem on one other IRC server
[02:32] <drkokandy> which makes me think it's not Quassel but most likely my ISP
[02:32] <Cheri703> yeah?
[02:32] <Cheri703> ah, possible
[02:33] <Unit193> Try irssi.
[02:33] <Unit193> :D
[02:33] <Cheri703> pfft
[02:33] <drkokandy> but I like that I have the quasselcore running on my server
[02:33] <drkokandy> and this on my client
[02:33] <drkokandy> Er... this client on this PC
[02:33] <Cheri703> yeah, I like the gui stuff
[02:33] <Cheri703> vs the command line things. I like my notifications :)
[02:34] <Unit193> I get the PMs/highlights messages in notifications.
[02:34] <Unit193> irssi isn't running locally.
[02:42] <drkokandy> I like the way Quassel looks/works and that I can get back to my current session from my phone
[02:42] <drkokandy> lets me log in from work with no problem :)
[02:42] <Cheri703> yeah, the phone bit is super handy :)
[02:42] <Cheri703> I like the dark theme
[03:10] <rrittenhouse> drkokandy: Where can I find more on that feature?
[03:14] <drkokandy> hang on just a minute rrittenhouse
[03:14] <Cheri703> rrittenhouse: the "access from phone"?
[03:14] <drkokandy> here's some info on the core/client setup: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki
[03:15] <Cheri703> and quasseldroid is the app for android :D
[03:15] <drkokandy> from the ubuntu repos, just install the package quasselcore
[03:15] <Cheri703> well, quasselcore on the server
[03:15] <Cheri703> quasselclient on the client
[03:15] <drkokandy> yup
[03:15] <drkokandy> and I configured the core from my first client
[03:16] <rrittenhouse> neat :) thanks
[03:16]  * Cheri703 lurves it
[03:16] <rrittenhouse> I've been out of Ubuntu most of the time ever since I took my new job (2.5 years ago) :x just trying to play catch up. haha.
[03:16] <drkokandy> I found out about it from Cheri703 lol
[03:17] <rrittenhouse> haha. I'm checking that out.
[03:17] <drkokandy> I think it's available in most distros' repos, and they even make compiled versions available for Android (Quasseldroid), Windows and Mac
[03:17] <Cheri703> yeah, I have quassel client on my work computer, running mac os x
[03:18] <Cheri703> ALL the devices can run it, except my rooted nook :/ it errors out, I'm a bit bummed on that one
[03:18] <drkokandy> aw
[03:18] <drkokandy> but I guess you can't fault them too much on that :-)
[03:18] <Cheri703> IRC ALL THE THINGS
[03:18] <Cheri703> but my plan was foiled :/
[03:18] <drkokandy> lol
[03:18] <Cheri703> it's because it's running older android. I could probably find an old version of quasseldroid, but not worth the effort
[03:22] <rrittenhouse> Heh. I keep seeing that meme but I don't know where it started. The only thing that comes to mind is Dual Core's "Hack All The things".
[03:22] <drkokandy> I'm going to get disconnected
[03:23] <drkokandy> see you all in a bit
[03:23] <Cheri703> it's from hyperbole and a half! I'll link, one sec
[03:23] <rrittenhouse> drkokandy has packet loss esp
[03:23] <Cheri703> LOVE LOVE LOVE this site: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html
[03:23] <Cheri703> that's where "x all the y" came from
[03:23] <Cheri703> (and it is oh so true in so many ways)
[03:25] <rrittenhouse> oooh :)
[03:26] <rrittenhouse> Neat. I'm learning all kinds of stuff tonight. Now if one could explain why I bought this lenovo u410 mess....
[03:26] <Cheri703> you're on your own there
[03:26] <rrittenhouse> ideapad u410*
[03:26] <rrittenhouse> LOL
[03:26] <rrittenhouse> I've sent one back to cdwg already
[03:27] <rrittenhouse> This one is heading back as soon as I can find one to replace it with. It makes me feel iffy about even trying a thinkpad
[03:27] <Cheri703> I'd been eyeing a thinkpad, but then my work sent me a macbook air that I didn't know was coming, so I'm holding off buying my own :)
[03:28] <rrittenhouse> Ah. Yeah this is for work, actually. Ive thought about looking at the macbook air...
[03:28] <Cheri703> (I've had it for a few months now, it's still a bit of a "wooo, don't need to go spend ~$1000 of my own money on a computer! \o/" thing)
[03:29] <Cheri703> the mba is not bad, hardware is amazing, os x is...eh
[03:29] <rrittenhouse> I had an older white macbook and they just didn't want to get another one...ugh
[03:29] <rrittenhouse> right.
[03:29] <Cheri703> I have ubuntu in a vm on it because I need to use office and such
[03:30] <drkokandy> that's a nice present
[03:31] <drkokandy> I hate my ISP :-/
[03:31] <rrittenhouse> I mean all I ever "use" it for is to configure cisco gear in a dark corner somewhere but i'm trying to use it to get my feet back into Ubuntu on a daily basis and to do my .net development for work.
[03:34] <Cheri703> drkokandy: who do you use?
[03:34] <drkokandy> Armstrong Cable is the only one available in Ashland - they've got a lock on the town
[03:35] <Cheri703> drkokandy: technically it's "company property" but...yeah, I got hired on, and they were like "what's your shipping address to send the laptop?" I literally replied with "laptop...?" and found out about it :)
[03:35] <Cheri703> that's terrible
[03:35] <Cheri703> not even time warner/roadrunner?
[03:35] <drkokandy> not to my knowledge
[03:35] <Cheri703> what's the zip there?
[03:35] <drkokandy> 44805
[03:41] <drkokandy> even if it's company property, I'm sure your Macbook Air is much better than the Dell Dime-a-dozen Made-for-XP computer I have at work :(
[03:42] <Cheri703> :/ yeah, I'm not a fan of dells
[03:42] <rrittenhouse> They are trying to order a dell for me when I return this one.... i'm GOOD!
[03:43] <Cheri703> heh
[03:43] <rrittenhouse> By this one I am referring to the crappy ideapad u410
[03:44] <Cheri703> perhaps try to convince them to hook you up with a system76?
[03:44] <drkokandy> The computer I'm on right now is a Dell too though I guess :) But it's one of the XPS ones... Got it in 2007... replaced and upgraded a few components inside, and it's great still...
[03:44] <Cheri703> I'm going to try to visit their offices when I'm in CO next month :)
[03:44] <drkokandy> ooh system 76
[03:44] <Cheri703> that's good drkokandy! I've had bad luck with dell, as have my clients >_>
[03:45] <drkokandy> it was going crazy for a bit... but that was the cheap video card's fault
[03:45] <drkokandy> put a nice one in there, and now it does games much better
[03:45] <Cheri703> :)
[03:45] <rrittenhouse> I was looking at them today. I'm going to ask if its possible since the PO was for something from CDWg
[03:47] <Cheri703> maybe you could talk them into that new dell sputnik or whatever
[03:48] <drkokandy> it's $1449 though... an Air would be cheaper... http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/xps-13-linux/pd.aspx
[03:48] <drkokandy> or several of System 76's laptops
[03:48] <Cheri703> ah, I didn't look at prices
[03:49] <drkokandy> if you buy now, it ships.... December 26. whoops.
[03:52] <Cheri703> doesn't matter when it comes if it's a christmas present to yourself!
[03:53] <rrittenhouse> hehe
[03:53] <Cheri703> the "build a death star" petition on whitehouse.gov cleared the threshold for an official response from President Obama: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/build-death-star-petition-clears-threshold-obama-response-185314096--politics.html?ugc_c=5yIGJ_D12QB9STLwN0d6alLkrqMe_szI8FHjWS6848Lh3WDAzTNxFAaiweOxJFL4BHogzL1Z8Uie5LtTXTUYKbUSHeHh4F6d1QMHoknwbyi0KXJab6nu35Y2zVEkenlUVKmHYVKB.uQC5QgjyvFen4dRp3XztzEX0ZPGGCr8SqzcAsTWUykhra6kppnQ2C4G9ji.
[03:53] <Cheri703> J6cMmt5VsQnGdemcQ6f2JWXJWi2wOnbX2jj8280PSCFOpG9BRWkoN_KKUMTo0c8-&bcnv_s=e&ugc_scnv=1&ll=2
[03:53] <rrittenhouse> brb taking the dogs for a walk and looking for meteors.
[03:54] <Cheri703> :)
[03:54] <drkokandy> oh boy
[03:54] <rrittenhouse> saw some earlier
[03:54] <Cheri703> well, technically they'll pick and choose which get a response, but...still
[03:56] <drkokandy> why would I not be able to reach a domain from my landline, but I can from my phone? Either my DNS is misconfigured or it's blocked at the router or at my ISP, right? Any other possibilities? It fails to connect on Windows or Ubuntu
[03:56] <drkokandy> *landline - land internet
[03:57] <Cheri703> are you using your ISP's DNS server?
[03:57] <drkokandy> no, openDNS
[03:58] <drkokandy> I restarted my cable modem
[03:58] <Cheri703> could be openDNS then?
[03:58] <drkokandy> I might try restarting my router
[03:58] <Cheri703> try changing it to <IP_ADDRESS> that's google's public dns
[03:58] <Cheri703> see what happens
[03:58] <drkokandy> the IP address failed to connect too, though
[03:58] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[03:59] <drkokandy> it's not a controversial website...
[03:59] <Cheri703> still
[03:59] <Cheri703> worth a shot
[04:00] <Cheri703> if you connect your phone to the home internet (assuming you have wifi) what happens when you try?
[04:03] <drkokandy> then it fails on my phone too :(
[04:03] <Cheri703> ok, so it's for sure something about home network
[04:03] <drkokandy> yup
[04:03] <drkokandy> I'm gonna try restarting my router
[04:03] <Cheri703> if you connect your computer directly to the modem (bypassing router) what happens?
[04:04] <drkokandy> that'll take a minute
[04:11] <drkokandy> Cheri703: that's when you realize the only ethernet cable that's not tied down doesn't work lol
[04:11] <Cheri703> hehe
[04:12] <Cheri703> pull the one that goes from modem > router?
[04:12] <drkokandy> also tied down
[04:12] <drkokandy> I'll just try restarting it
[04:12] <Cheri703> how important is this website?
[04:12] <drkokandy> not important
[04:12] <Cheri703> can you put your laptop where the router is and plug it in there?
[04:12] <drkokandy> well... perse
[04:14] <drkokandy> it's not important - it's just twit.tv - I noticed I kept timing out from their IRC... and then I realized I couldn't get their live feed, although I did manage to get into their web IRC somehow, but then nothing else worked... and now that won't work either
[04:14] <drkokandy> lol
[04:15] <Cheri703> heh
[04:15]  * Cheri703 can reach it :)
[04:16] <drkokandy> I got there on my phone too, so I know it's not the site
[04:16]  * Cheri703 was just rubbing it in that her internet is better
[04:16] <Cheri703> ;)
[04:16] <drkokandy> ouch
[04:16] <Cheri703> :D
[04:16] <drkokandy> the router to modem cable is tied down twice... so it's not worth undoing at 11PM lol
[04:17] <drkokandy> I'll try rebooting the router and see if that does anything
[04:17]  * Cheri703 has a drawer full of ethernet cables
[04:17] <drkokandy> if not, I'll try hooking it directly in tomorrow
[04:17] <Cheri703> good luck :)
[04:17] <drkokandy> I thought it would be a great idea to use binder clips and cable ties to make my network look less like a cobweb
[04:17]  * drkokandy regrets it
[04:17] <Cheri703> I like velcro ties
[04:18] <drkokandy> You know, I actually have 2 ethernet cables in the mail that should arrive tomorrow
[04:18] <drkokandy> Might be saved
[04:18] <Cheri703> :)
[04:18] <drkokandy> I have a couple of velcro ties, but not enough to use just those. that would be nice though
[04:19] <Cheri703> one sec
[04:19] <Cheri703> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001E1Y5O6/ref=wms_ohs_product
[04:19] <Cheri703> SO USEFUL for so many things
[04:19] <Cheri703> I use them on my ankles to keep my pants out of my chain :)
[04:20] <Cheri703> they're a similar price at lowe's/home depot and such
[04:20] <drkokandy> oh wow
[04:20] <drkokandy> 100?
[04:20] <drkokandy> I live right behind a Home Depot
[04:21] <Cheri703> yeah :D last time I got 50 and ran out eventually
[04:21] <drkokandy> I'm gonna get some. Thanks Cheri703 :)
[04:21] <Cheri703> various ones disappearing, putting them on client computers cords, etc
[04:21] <Cheri703> sure :)
[04:23] <canthus13> Whee.. nothing like an emergency server migration as soon as you get home.
[04:23] <Cheri703> hehe
[04:23] <canthus13> (iLO is amazing...)
[04:27] <Cheri703> iLO?
[04:31] <rrittenhouse> back..
[04:32] <Cheri703> wb rrittenhouse
[04:32] <drkokandy> see any meteors?
[04:32] <rrittenhouse> only saw 2
[04:32] <rrittenhouse> and its way too cold out there to be out too long with what I was wearing haha
[04:34] <drkokandy>  lol that's enough meteors then
[04:35] <Cheri703> hehe
[04:35] <drkokandy> so when I try pinging that domain I get 74% packet loss with times like 448ms to 7870ms O.O
[04:35] <drkokandy> but it's just that domain
[04:35] <Cheri703> geez
[04:35] <drkokandy> this is crazy
[04:35] <Cheri703> yeah, next step is to bypass router and see what happens
[04:35] <Cheri703> then you know whether to dig into your settings or call your ISP
[04:36] <drkokandy> and that will have to wait until tomorrow :-/
[04:36] <drkokandy> thanks for your help!
[04:36] <Cheri703> yeah :/
[04:36] <Cheri703> sure!
[04:44] <rrittenhouse> Cheri703: So what kinds of things is this group doing these days? I haven't been around much since it was first started; when Stepen Stalcup was running it.
[04:44] <Cheri703> right now we're sort of trying to figure out what we'll be doing
[04:44] <Cheri703> things have stagnated since we're SO spread out
[04:45] <rrittenhouse> Ah. Yeah I met a few of you a couple of years ago when Jono came to OLF.
[04:46] <rrittenhouse> ok, it's been a few years. lol
[04:48] <rrittenhouse> So, with it all being spread out i'm assuming its just been hard to have many face-to-face meetings? I do recall there were some folks hanging out at panera in easton that were in this group.
[04:48] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:49] <Cheri703> we try to have ubuntu hours in various regional areas, but...there's 2-3 of us in mansfield, not sure how many in cbus these days, not many in cle, etc
[04:49] <rrittenhouse> I'm about 30 minutes away from Easton in Newark, Ohio.
[04:49] <rrittenhouse> gotcha
[04:49] <Cheri703> I used to live in cbus, now mansfield
[04:49] <rrittenhouse> I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not :D
[04:50] <rrittenhouse> I can't recall ever intentionally going to mansfield but I have heard that there is an old prison there and there is/was a nascar truck series race there once a year. hehe
[05:00] <Cheri703> yeah, it's not especially exciting here
[05:02] <rrittenhouse> Cheri703: Trust me, it can't be any worse than Newark. LOL This town SUCKS and I can't wait until we can buy a place of our own a lot closer to Columbus.
[05:04] <Cheri703> it's not terrible here, but really boring :/ I work from home, so I don't get out much, so it's not a huge deal :) cost of living is SUPER low, so that helps
[05:04] <drkokandy> cost of living is the best thing about living in Ashland too
[05:05] <drkokandy> saved up a lot since I moved here
[05:05] <rrittenhouse> Oh, heck yeah. I don't want to move to New Albany or Granville don't get me wrong. I just want to be out of the city but still close to it at the same time.
[05:05] <rrittenhouse> and not far away from my job in newark
[10:06] <Unit193> Heh, it's already getting warmer outside.
[14:08] <rrittenhouse> morning
[15:53] <thafreak> Morning
[15:54] <Cheri703> o/
[18:32] <thafreak> awe...meatballhat was in here
[18:33] <thafreak> just realized recently I lived down the hall from him in undergrad
[22:46] <drkokandy> connection problem from yesterday solved itself. Must have been something my ISP did. Still dropping a few packets when pinging their domain, but only 10%, not 74% like yesterday
[22:47] <Cheri703> weird
[22:47] <Cheri703> but good!
[22:47] <drkokandy> quite weird, but I'll take it


[12:24] <dreamon> hello. what is the default display manager for xfce. I installed lightdm and having trouble with it. how can I change back to its default.
[12:25] <diogenes_> dreamon, it depends on the distro, display managers are 3rd party and usually it's lightdm.
[12:30] <dreamon> diogenes_, ist ubuntu. think xubuntu 20.04.2. it have issue by locking screen. after locking I wake him up. it shows me normal desktop, like it runs. but I cannot interact with it. login screen is not visible, but after typing password and enter its unlocked and I can use it normally.
[12:33] <diogenes_> dreamon, try this:
[12:33] <diogenes_> !acpi_osi
[12:37] <dreamon> diogenes_, Thanks.. will give it a try