[00:11] <doctormo> Someone decided to spam me with 1,000 emails to gmail. I guess after a 1,000 google decided it might be spam. heh.
[00:11] <doctormo> Still made a mess of my inbox... took me all of 30 seconds to clean up.
[00:13] <doctormo> Wow the ships come in today... 10 questions confirmed me as the answer, 120 axubuntu points.
[00:48] <jcastro> that would be 150
[00:48] <jcastro> you get 15 for an accepted answer
[03:45] <nigelb> wow, just saw nixternal's picasa album
[03:45] <nigelb> that is some serious storm there
[07:13] <dpm> good morning all
[07:16] <nigelb> Morning
[07:47] <dpm> morning nigelb :)
[08:22] <duanedesign> nigelb: it is.  Are you all okay?
[10:25] <nigelb> kim0: So glad you finally got internet \o/
[10:25] <kim0> Yeah all fine thanks ..
[10:25] <kim0> I dropped by a bit yesternight
[10:26] <nigelb> Ah, I missed that bit :)
[10:27] <czajkowski> kim0: you're back  again
[10:27] <czajkowski> yay
[10:27] <kim0> yeah.. the Internet is back
[10:27] <nigelb> oooh, things are getting better then!
[10:28] <kim0> well .. he agreed to the people's requests, except it's all "promises"
[10:28] <czajkowski> nods
[10:28] <kim0> no decisions .. most people have zero trust in the current gov
[10:29] <kim0> now they're allowing internet access again, to make us feel everything is over
[10:29] <dpm> heya kim0!
[10:29] <kim0> while hopefully it isn't just yet
[10:29]  * kim0 hugs dpm
[10:29] <kim0> dpm: missed ya buddy
[10:29]  * dpm hugs kim0!
[10:30] <kim0> Advice to all US citizens, you really want to decline that Internet kill switch law thing :)
[10:30] <czajkowski> heh
[10:31]  * czajkowski hugs kim0 welcome back
[10:31]  * kim0 hugs czajkowski
[10:31] <kim0> thanks
[10:31]  * kim0 prepares to get back in shape
[10:33] <Pendulum> kim0: glad you're back! :)
[10:33] <kim0> Pendulum: thanks man :)
[10:33] <kim0> glad to be back indeed
[10:36] <Pendulum> kim0: woman :)
[10:36] <Pendulum> (as in, I am one :) )
[10:36] <kim0> oh shit :)
[10:37]  * kim0 hugs Pendulum
[10:37] <Pendulum> s'ok :)
[10:37]  * Pendulum hugs kim0
[10:37] <kim0> Pendulum: thanks a million .. really appreciate it
[10:37] <Pendulum> It's not apparent if you don't know me :)
[10:37] <kim0> It would be my pleasure to .. some day hopefully
[10:39] <kim0> Just a couple of days away, and I'm back on hundreds of emails, thousands of news items ..etc sigh
[10:40] <czajkowski> :(
[10:43] <dpm> kim0, so how are people feeling today? Do you think te pressure on Mubarak will be kept?
[10:44] <kim0> hmm .. I would hope so .. He has provided only promises, to me false ones, the price was 300 dead young-people, that is too much a price to pay for promises
[10:45] <kim0> However many people are tired by now, his words are convincing as well .. sounds so sincere
[10:45] <kim0> people are getting split .. I would think the majority will still be out again this Friday to get him out immediately
[10:46] <kim0> The amount of incorrect info on national TV is astonishing .. it's almost not funny anymore ;)
[10:48] <dpm> is national TV also very much controlled by the government, then? Do you have access to many nationwide private TV channels?
[10:49] <kim0> Yes, it is super controlled! Many people have access to satellite TV stations (AlJazeera, BBC...) that they watch to actually know the updates
[10:50] <kim0> The gov actually forced shutting down AlJazeera multiple times the past few days
[10:50] <kim0> it's been a cat/mouse game .. changing the frequency every few hours, and shutting it down again !
[10:50] <daker> LoL
[10:50] <nigelb> wow
[10:52] <dpm> yeah, I read about AlJazeera being shut a few days ago
[10:53] <dpm> did not know about the frequency changes, though, wow
[11:01] <kim0> So current natty breaks closed nvidia drivers ? or actually vice cersa :) can someone confirm
[11:02] <dholbach> kim0, on Al Jazeera lots of people yesterday talked about a "different reality" in state media
[11:03] <kim0> Yeah, it's like they're living in Wonder land .. there are 2 million people on the streets, and they're filming 100 people saying that's all there is. Besides hundreds of pro-Mubarak calls all the time explaining how wise is it to keep the current regime ..etc
[11:04] <dpm> kim0, on nvidia: yeah I saw that, thus I held on the xorg upgrade.
[11:05] <kim0> hmm I hate to hold out on upgrades :) seems like I'll do that too
[11:05] <dholbach> even if Mubarak goes in September, there's going to stay a lot of old faces in government and positions of power - so I can see why people stay on the streets and say "it's not over yet"
[11:06] <kim0> absolutely .. problem is some people are starting to buy that sweet talking .. wishing for a stable country back .. etc
[11:07] <daker> kim0, after all that, he wont leave!!!, it's a proof that the USA and Israel are supporting him
[11:07] <dholbach> I liked how somebody said "there's no way we can go back to the country we were a week ago"
[11:08] <kim0> If we wait 6 months, we might though :)
[14:32] <duanedesign> kim0: hello!
[14:32] <duanedesign> kim0: good to see (read) you
[14:32] <duanedesign> :)
[14:32] <duanedesign> I just heard on the radio that internet was back on.
[14:43] <kim0> duanedesign: Thanks, same here
[14:44] <duanedesign> kim0: well i wisk you, your family, friends, and countrymen the best of luck
[14:44] <duanedesign> wish*
[14:45] <kim0> Thanks, we'll need it
[14:58] <jcastro> cjohnston: hey alright, mark answered your question
[15:01] <mhall119> which question?
[15:01] <duanedesign> hello jcastro
[15:01] <jcastro> howdy howdy
[15:02] <duanedesign> jcastro: did detroit get any snow?
[15:02] <jcastro> mhall119: he wants a way to remove the drives from the unity launcher
[15:02] <jcastro> duanedesign: yeah but it's a big yawn, like 4-5 inches instead of the 14 they said
[15:02] <jcastro> they already shut the schools down and everything
[15:02] <jcastro> now everyone's  like "..."
[15:02] <duanedesign> we set a record here in Tulsa, 14+ inches
[15:03] <jcastro> wow!
[15:03] <jcastro> bought time you guys got some real snow. :)
[15:03] <mhall119> it's like 75 F outside here
[15:04] <Pendulum> mhall119: that's really not fair to say :(
[15:04] <duanedesign> jcastro: hahaha, right
[15:05] <Pendulum> my parents had to extend a trip to California 2 extra days due to the weather. My father keeps telling me how nice it is. I told him next time he can send me somewhere warm and he can have the snow.
[15:05] <jcastro> everyone was so excited about the snow day
[15:06] <jcastro> except for me, since I don't get snow days anymore, heh
[15:06] <Pendulum> heh
[15:06] <jcastro> I bet people just go drinking today
[15:06] <Pendulum> we're on day 2 of snow days, except today is really an ice day :(
[15:16] <daker> it's going to be Civil war in egypt
[15:17] <paultag> yeah
[15:17] <paultag> this is not looking good
[15:18] <Pendulum> I am sadly unsurprised :(
[15:20] <daker> Mubarak sent his thiefs to throw stones & acids to the people
[15:21] <paultag> yeah, that sounds about right
[15:21] <paultag> I really hope who's in charge next won't take the US's bullshit with extraordinary rendition
[15:26] <JanC> daker: those throwing stones etc. were police officers in civil dress apparently
[15:29] <daker> yes
[15:30] <daker> police officers, thiefs , people from the NDP
[15:30] <daker> camels and horses runing everywhere
[15:30] <daker> in tahrir sq
[15:31] <Pici> Sounds scary.
[15:31] <daker> VERY scary
[15:32] <JFo> very scary and exciting at the same time
[15:33] <JanC> at least the Army didn't intervene...
[15:33] <nigelb> That would be the last thing they want to do.
[15:33] <JFo> oh yeah
[15:33] <daker> kim0 has disappeared again
[15:33] <JFo> the military should be for the people over all
[15:34] <kim0> I'm here .. it's just horrible :/
[15:34] <JanC> JFo: the politicians and the police should be for the people too  ;)
[15:34] <JFo> true, but when all else breaks down, the basic function of an armed service is to protect the people
[15:34] <JFo> is or should be that is
[15:34] <JFo> :)
[15:35] <kim0> To protect the "nation" they say
[15:35] <JFo> indeed
[15:35] <kim0> which you can understand anyway you want to
[15:35] <JFo> well, it is left ambiguous for a reason :)
[15:35] <kim0> any way*
[15:36] <JFo> stay safe kim0
[15:39] <kim0> They're burning the people .. throwing molotov from buildings onto protestors
[15:39] <jcastro> !!!!
[15:40] <JFo> I can see some of that
[15:40] <JFo> they are also saying that they suspect the government of trucking these people in for them to destabilize the protests
[15:40] <JFo> I hope that isn't the case
[15:42] <daker> iti
[15:42] <daker> it's the govt
[15:43] <jcastro> kim0: is there anything you need done on the internet we could help you with?
[15:44] <paultag> +1 jcastro
[15:47] <Pendulum> jcastro: +1
[15:47] <jcastro> http://www.wimp.com/babyrocker/
[15:48] <JanC> I'm just reading people in civil clothes beat up & "arrested" a Belgian journalist today; I guess they don't like foreign reporting...
[15:49] <jono> morning all!
[15:49] <dholbach> JanC, I read that somewhere else too, lots of other journalists got the same treatment
[15:49] <Pendulum> morning jono
[15:49] <daker> that's not the ppl it's the govt
[15:49] <jcastro> jono: harassment page is all up to date now and finished. \o/
[15:49] <jcastro> got the local info
[15:49] <dholbach> daker, I believe you
[15:49] <jono> thanks jcastro :-)
[15:50] <jcastro> we have a call today in 10 right?
[15:50] <dholbach> jcastro, yes
[15:54] <jcastro> Pendulum: where are you based out of?
[15:54] <Pendulum> jcastro: northern CT
[15:54]  * jcastro is trying to map the blizzared OSS people in his head
[15:54] <jcastro> oh cool, have you always been there?
[15:54] <jcastro> why did I think you were from NYC, hmmm
[15:54] <paultag> gross
[15:54] <paultag> Yankees suck!
[15:54] <Pendulum> I lived in NYC for a couple years ending in May :)
[15:55] <Pendulum> paultag: I'm a Red Sox fan
[15:55] <Pici> Go Mets!
[15:55] <Pici> <.<
[15:55] <jcastro> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[15:55] <Pendulum> I grew up in New England
[15:55]  * paultag hugs Pendulum
[15:55] <paultag> Pendulum: there's a reason I love ya.
[15:55] <paultag> Pici: :P
[15:55] <Pendulum> paultag: I'm almost into MA, actually
[15:55] <dholbach> if you haven't seen live pictures of Egypt yet, check out http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ - it gets you an idea quite quickly
[15:55] <paultag> Pendulum: yeah, I recall :)
[15:56] <nhandler> We have a tone of snow in Chicago (you should watch the video nixternal tried to make last night)
[15:56] <Pendulum> most of our problem is that we've gotten hit so many times without things melting in between
[15:56] <paultag> dholbach: whoh.
[15:56] <Pici> We didn't get too badly in NJ this time, but it was still an icy commute this morning.
[15:57] <Pendulum> most things around here are shut due to ice today
[15:57] <jcastro> we shut everything down
[15:58] <jcastro> but the snow wasn't that bad, so they feel dumb
[15:58] <Pendulum> we had one of those a couple weeks ago
[15:58] <jcastro> except the kids playing outside of course
[15:58] <Pendulum> but we've gotten hit by a storm midweek just about every week this year
[15:58] <Pendulum> I think we missed one
[15:58] <Pendulum> and it's stayed cold so nothing's melting
[15:58] <Pendulum> a whole bunch of roofs have collapsed in CT :(
[15:59] <Pici> Eek.
[15:59] <Pendulum> mostly without injury to humans, but they did have to put some horses down :(
[15:59] <jcastro> yikes
[16:01] <daker> Wow the Egyptian Museum is burning, that a BIG disaster
[16:01] <Pendulum> oh no :(
[16:02] <Pici> Oh dear.
[16:02] <JFo> I don't think it is daker, I thought that was the firebombs in the road
[16:02] <JFo> they thought that it was due to smoke
[16:02] <JFo> but I thought they later said it was the road and the angle they were filming from
[16:04] <JFo> I *hope* it isn't on fire, I want to visit someday :-/
[16:04] <Pendulum> I really hope it's not on fire either
[16:04] <daker> actually no one can confirm that, the only person who can confirm is Dr. Zahi
[16:05] <mhall119> yeah, things in Egypt are going from bad to worse
[16:19] <daker> http://kalnaga.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/mubarak-thugs-attempting-burning-egyptian-museum/
[16:22] <dholbach> nigelb, what's the state of "write script that shows which loco team members of ~ubuntu-dev, ~ubuntu-bugcontrol are part of"?
[16:23] <nigelb> dholbach: as I told jono, Im working on it now.  Should be done over this weekend
[16:23] <dholbach> great
[16:35] <nigelb> hey, anyone's tried connecting to FB chat via pidgin/empathy lately?
[16:35] <nigelb> Is it just me that its failing?
[16:38] <daker> FB chat is under maintenance
[16:38] <daker> s/is/was
[16:38] <daker> but now it's working
[16:43] <duanedesign> dholbach: is this still the current/working version http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/index.html
[16:43] <dholbach> duanedesign, yes
[16:43] <dholbach> there's no official home yet
[16:43] <duanedesign> dholbach: ok. trying to make a plan to start doing the screencasts
[16:44] <dholbach> sweeeeeet
[16:44] <dholbach> once you have an idea what to do, let me know
[16:45] <duanedesign> dholbach: definetly, i will try and break it up into different screencasts and then see what you think
[16:45] <dholbach> awesome!
[16:45]  * dholbach hugs duanedesign
[16:47] <dholbach> ok, my friends - I'm calling it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:47] <popey> o/
[16:47] <popey> *hugs*
[16:47] <JFo> bye dholbach
[16:48]  * dholbach hugs you all back
[17:16] <jcastro> best thing about a snow day ...
[17:16] <jcastro> jill's making bacon
[17:18] <JFo> makin' bacon!
[18:13] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!
[18:16] <daker> Wow see the camels & the horses http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/blogpostFeaturedImage/images/camelscharge.jpg
[18:57] <jcastro> caffeine refill time, be back in 10!
[19:15] <jcastro> jono: how do you feel about a call tomorrow afternoonish wrt. unity?
[20:45] <jono> jcastro, sure


[12:56] <MatthewAllen> @popey can you please add me to GCI as a mentor - emaiL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:56] <popey> MatthewAllen: done! :D
[12:57] <MatthewAllen> @popey, ty - keen to see GCI from the mentor side!


[03:42] <horseface> hey guys will this os work on my moto x4 even if it isn't listed in the devices section on the website?
[03:43] <horseface> i am very curious to try ubuntu touch...
[03:43] <horseface> i am currently using lineage os but it's still too much like android.


[00:31] <Fudge> ehlo micahg
[00:43] <Fudge> micahg  ill update to orca git and see if it happens
[00:44] <micahg> Fudge: k
[00:48] <Fudge> micahg  orca xdestkop 3.1.3 still has the same issue, using my numpad with orca i can read the folder contents but not when arrowing up and down the folder ist.
[00:49] <Fudge> list
[00:55] <micahg> Fudge: I'm about to go to sleep, maybe in the morning (UTC)?
[01:19] <Fudge> just highlight mate
[01:23] <Fudge> actually micahg  ppl are aware of the bug and a patch is hapenning :D
[07:32] <fta2> bdrung, hi, are you still maintaining eclipse?
[07:32] <fta2> bdrung, in oneiric, eclipse-platform: Depends: sat4j (< 2.2.4) but 2.3.0-1 is to be installed.
[07:40] <micahg> fta: eclipse needs some help, someone is working in Debian to remove the xulrunner dep I think and get 3.7 ready
[08:08] <fta2> micahg, well, even with xul, it's not even installable atm
[08:08] <fta2> micahg, and it's pretty important for android developers
[08:43]  * micahg will see later if a rebuild helps
[13:33] <bdrung> fta2: yes and no. :) i co-maintain eclipse, but i have not enough time for it. the plan for oneiric is to get eclipse 3.7 working without xulrunner
[13:34] <bdrung> fta2: if you need a working eclipse in oneiric, adjust the B-D and Depends and recompile it
[13:34] <fta2> bdrung, i understand. any way to have that sat4j dep fixed in the meantime? (just to be able to install it)
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i think i've figured out the issue with the firefox menu occasionally appearing in its own window now
[15:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, cool
[15:55] <fta> btw, chromium has a lot of issues with that global menu thingy. it seems pushing too many bookmarks over dbus makes the browser freeze for several minutes for some users
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> micahg, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/173
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> should fix the menubar issue
[17:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks
[17:50] <micahg> I'm guessing this will be in 6 beta?
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah
[17:50] <micahg> cool, so I'll be able to test when I upgrade to oneiric
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> i really need to get rid of this extension, it is a pain
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> and i bet i can't reimplement it in jsctypes ;)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:50] <BUGabundo> anyone else need #GooglePlus invite? follow me at http://l.BUGabundo.net/Plus thanks!


[06:26] <dpm> good morning all
[06:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:57] <bkerensa> hello
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:22] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:53] <jono> night all!
[08:16] <mrevell> i
[08:53] <nigelb> j
[09:27] <s-fox> Hello community
[09:27] <czajkowski> herrro folks
[09:29] <s-fox> How are you today czajkowski ? Glorious out isn't it?
[09:30] <czajkowski> pretty over cast here in London, but I suspect there is some heat out there
[09:30] <czajkowski> the office is roasting!
[10:16] <dholbach> dpm, Alter - hast Du gleich mal 5 Minuten für 'nen Hangout?
[10:16] <dpm> ja klar
[10:17] <dholbach> ja super - jetzt oder gleich?
[10:18] <dpm> dholbach, beides
[10:18] <dholbach> ok, dann mal los :)
[10:19] <dpm> :)
[12:58] <jcastro> popey:
[12:58] <jcastro> hey so, what's your HDD layout on your HP?
[12:59] <jcastro> 4 x 2tb drives w/ RAID 1?
[12:59] <popey> 8x2TB RAID 1 btrfs
[12:59] <popey> 4 internal, 4 external
[12:59] <jcastro> so 8tb total?
[12:59] <popey> thereabouts
[12:59] <jcastro> ok, so you lose half of them for mirror
[12:59] <popey> ya
[12:59] <jcastro> hmm, I think I'll need to wait for RAID5 in btrfs
[13:00] <popey> yeah
[13:00] <jcastro> though I watched the video from Chris Mason
[13:00] <jcastro> of a recent talk
[13:00] <jcastro> it can do live RAID migrations
[13:00] <jcastro> like he moved from 0 to 1 and back
[13:00] <jcastro> I wonder if you'll be able to just move to 5
[13:01] <popey> url?
[13:01] <jcastro> http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.4
[13:01] <jcastro> section 1.1
[13:01] <popey> no i mean the video :D
[13:01] <jcastro> section 1.1
[13:02] <jcastro> has links
[13:02] <popey> ah
[13:09] <jcastro> popey: it's an excellent talk
[13:09] <popey> I'm enjoying running btrfs
[13:10] <popey> its like a free software drobo
[13:32] <jcastro> dpm: http://files.quickmediasolutions.com/userscripts/au_toolbar.user.js
[13:32] <jcastro> install that, and then you can do software center links in Chrome
[13:32] <jcastro> he has 2 buttons, one for the big "install me on software center", and the other one is a smaller inline one
[13:34] <s-fox> Hey jcastro , how are you doing?
[13:34] <jcastro> hi, good, you?
[13:35] <s-fox> pretty good thanks jcastro . Just busy with sql, php and ajax. Web dev bread and butter work really :)
[13:36] <jcastro> heh
[13:36] <mhall119> s-fox: you should learn python and django
[13:36] <s-fox> mhall119,  I can use python
[13:37] <mhall119> cause we need more webdevs on LTP and summit :)
[13:37] <czajkowski> daker: how are you getting on with LP ?
[13:37] <dpm> jcastro, wow
[13:37] <mhall119> ugh, why must the dog sleep where my elbow should be?
[13:38]  * dpm tries the script
[13:38] <s-fox> mhall119,  any docs on what is needed?
[13:38] <mhall119> s-fox: blueprints and bugs
[13:38] <mhall119> ask daker about LTP work, and cjohnston about Summit work
[13:38] <jcastro> dpm: it's sort of not finished, I'd like to put the images behind a short URL so if we ever need new buttons we can just swap it out
[13:38] <mhall119> join #ubuntu-website for both
[13:38] <s-fox> mhall119,  i think that implies i like the whole orange look ;)
[13:39] <mhall119> s-fox: as long as you do the work, I don't think we're gonna care if you like it or not ;)
[13:40] <s-fox> i couldn't see myself working on something i don't like mhall119 :)
[13:40] <mhall119> you can work on the non-orange parts then
[13:41] <dpm> jcastro, I've installed it, but how do I actually use it? Shall I just go and try to edit a question?
[13:41] <mhall119> dpm: it'll show above the question text-box
[13:41] <cjohnston> s-fox:  ask mhall119  about summit, not me. :-)
[13:43] <s-fox> Hey cjohnston , hows life treating you? Still with the fire department?
[13:43] <dpm> mhall119, ah nice, thanks
[13:44] <cjohnston> busy busy busy..  unfortunatly I still am.. getting ready for a forced break from everything though.. yourself?
[13:45] <s-fox> very busy with work. juggling 2 large projects both set to launch next month
[13:45]  * s-fox presses the panic button
[13:45] <s-fox> :D
[13:46] <mhall119> "forced break" meaning "Fly to Hong Kong to support Linaro Connect"?
[13:47] <s-fox> jcastro,  interesting userscript. the forum moderators and admins have a few on our site. really handy
[13:48] <cjohnston> mhall119:  the surgery after I get back
[13:49] <mhall119> oh, right
[13:51] <cjohnston> at pre-op now
[13:52] <mhall119> ask the doc how long until you can get back to coding
[13:53] <cjohnston> he said as soon as you fix render.py
[13:54] <mhall119> there is no cure to render.py, the only option is to cut it out
[13:54] <czajkowski> mhall119: blake asleep on you?
[13:55] <mhall119> czajkowski: under me :/
[13:56] <czajkowski> mhall119: not budging is he
[13:56] <czajkowski> cjohnston: what op?
[13:57] <cjohnston> sinus surgery
[13:57] <czajkowski> ahh
[13:57] <czajkowski> fun times
[13:57] <cjohnston> yippie
[14:03] <AlanBell> ooh render.py. There be dragons.
[14:03] <czajkowski> and fire
[14:05] <mhall119> and Python code that looks like C
[14:07] <s-fox> hey cprofitt :)
[14:07] <cjohnston> sounds like a perfect task for mhall119
[14:19] <daker> czajkowski, i can't find an easy bug to fix ツ
[14:20] <czajkowski> ah now
[14:24] <czajkowski> daker-cloud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/72981  ?
[14:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 72981 in launchpad "adding a task should not change the context" [Low,Triaged]
[14:25] <czajkowski> daker-cloud: join #launchpad
[14:28] <daker> czajkowski, all the trivial bugs need some internal fixes or ui changes which something i don't know
[15:00] <jono> hey all
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, balloons, mhall119 al set?
[15:01] <dholbach> Señor Jamón!
[15:01] <jono> lol
[15:01] <balloons> lol
[15:01] <dholbach> yep :)
[15:01] <balloons> lolol
[15:01] <jono> :-)
[15:01] <jono> #startmeeting
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[15:01] <dpm> hey
[15:01] <jono> welcome one and all to the Canonical Community Team meeting!
[15:02] <jono> prepare yourselves for a blistering series of summaries of all the hard work going on over the last week
[15:02] <jono> first up....
[15:02] <jono> ...first he will create your QR code...and then he will create a special place in your heart...
[15:02] <jono> ...dpm!
[15:02] <dpm> hahaha
[15:02] <dholbach> :-)
[15:03] <dpm> ok, here we go
[15:03] <dpm> • Prepared 12.10 blueprints
[15:03] <dpm> • Started reviewing 12.10 blueprint actions with mhall119
[15:04] <dpm> • Reviewed 12.10 blueprints with Jono, got them approved
[15:04] <dpm> • Spent some time promoting and using AskUbuntu for app development
[15:04] <dpm> Quite pleased to see the buzz growing and it becoming a really useful resource for app developers
[15:05] <dpm> • Published monthly top 10 app downloads post (http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/05/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-april-2012/)
[15:05] <dpm> • Had a call with dholbach to discuss Packaging Guide translations
[15:05] <dpm> • Got toghether Paolo Sammicheli and angeloc to work on a Quickly QtQuick template
[15:05] <dpm> • Reminded KenVandine again about writing the social network integration tutorial for d.u.c
[15:06] <dpm> sorry, xchat not behaving
[15:07] <dpm> • Spent some of my 20% time to work on QRCreator
[15:07] <dpm> Happy to see it got reddit'ed even before announcing it :)
[15:07] <dpm> and I think that was it for me this week
[15:08] <jono> thanks, dpm!
[15:08] <jono> any questions for dpm?
[15:09] <jcastro> \o/
[15:09] <jono> alrighty!
[15:09] <dpm> ah, jono, here's a heads up for you
[15:09] <jono> oh?
[15:09] <dpm> you know we talked about pyside and a quickly template?
[15:09] <jono> yup
[15:09] <dpm> I'm trying to find out more about it and PyQt
[15:10] <jono> ok
[15:10] <mhall119> pyside?
[15:10] <dpm> so I've just posted this, which will hopefully help giving some insight
[15:10] <jono> mhall119, free Python bindings for Qt
[15:10] <mhall119> ah, ok
[15:10] <dpm> http://askubuntu.com/questions/140740/should-i-use-pyqt-or-pyside-for-a-new-qt-project
[15:10] <jono> dpm, cool :-)
[15:10] <mhall119> FYI, there was a qt application quickly template submitted some time ago, didrocks said it looked fine as a quickly template, but wanted someone to review it's Qt-correctness
[15:10] <dpm> anyway, that was it, I'm trying to get a feel for what the best technology is
[15:10] <mhall119> bzoltan was going to review it
[15:11] <jono> well the problem with PyQt is that it is not fully free
[15:11] <dpm> he did already during UDS
[15:11] <mhall119> also it's Qt 4, and we're going to want a Qt 5 template
[15:11] <mhall119> dpm: ah, great
[15:11] <dpm> (he was quite pleased with it)
[15:11] <jono> mhall119, why Qt 5, it is onl in Alpha
[15:12] <mhall119> jono: that's wht they want to use for the SDK, evidently it adds a lot of nice things we're going to want
[15:12] <jono> ok
[15:12] <jono> right
[15:12] <jono> alrighty
[15:12] <jono> next up!
[15:12] <balloons> Qt5 -- uhh, because it's shiny!
[15:13] <mhall119> also it has opengl support I think
[15:13] <jono> ...prepare for a status update to the soundtrack of alivechicken
[15:13] <jono> dholbach!
[15:13]  * dholbach storms out
[15:13] <mhall119> lol
[15:13] <jono> lol
[15:14] <jono> dholbach?
[15:14] <jcastro> he decided to bail
[15:15] <jono> lol
[15:15] <dpm> :-)
[15:15] <dholbach_> how embarrassing
[15:15] <dholbach_> I wanted to join right after again
[15:15] <dholbach_> but then my router crashed
[15:15] <dholbach_> and I had to reboot it
[15:15] <jono> dholbach is such premadonna
[15:15] <dholbach_> ouch ouch
[15:15] <dholbach_> ok, here we go :)
[15:15] <jono> :-)
[15:15] <dholbach_> in exchange you get a nice soundtrack along with the notes: http://soundcloud.com/stevenmoove/third-degree-cant-get-you-out :)
[15:16] <dholbach_> there are some notes in there which are a bit older than last week, I hope I won't bore you
[15:16] <dholbach_> ☺ Dev initiatives: announced MOTU meetings, put together list of tasks for first bug fixing initiative, asked for feedback.
[15:16] <dholbach_> ☺ Dev Advisory Team: reached out to a number of contributors. Some team organisation discussions (reorganising the trello board, having a meeting, etc.) - watched 5 folks getting upload rights! :-D
[15:16] <dholbach_> ☺ Dev News: got out the final 12.04 dev update post. Discussions about new format.
[15:16] <dholbach_> ☺ Sponsoring: scheduled the next month of patch piloting.
[15:17] <dholbach_> ☺ Dev Docs: blogged about our progress, reviewed a couple of merge proposals - almost ready to get it into the archive. Had a call with dpm about translations.
[15:17] <dholbach_> ☺ Community Council: CC meeting, more CoC draft review. Follow-up on RMB restaffing.
[15:17] <dholbach_> ☺ 12.10 preparation: UDS! Put blueprints together, all approved, now just minor fixes to the wording.
[15:17] <dholbach_> ☺ Apps: call with dpm about ARB priority bugs. Discussions with the MyApps and ARB teams about bug priorities - now we have a good shopping list. Good news: soon all apps in all states can be seen in MyApps again, also we'll get released apps off the list. Talked with David and Michael about related UDS blueprints. Updated and improved https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptRequirement - Filed more blueprints, talked to MyApps and ARB member
[15:17] <dholbach_> s about them. Blogged about the importance of apps in Ubuntu. Had a call with James Westby about pkgme and its future in the bigger scheme of things. Had a call with dpm about apps and brought up the idea of having a quick call with mhall119 and dpm every week.
[15:18] <dholbach_> ☺ Misc: updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Credits/Developers - upgraded holba.ch server to precise, worked without problems.  Upgraded my sister's laptop - worked without problems. Dug into a problem with upload statistics - fixed it, but decided to port everything to Django database - got the import almost sorted out. Gave 2 Ubuntu
[15:18] <dholbach_>  Open Week sessions. Helped Yolanda with OpenERP packaging.
[15:18] <dholbach> and that's it from me :)
[15:19] <balloons> nicely done.. didn't miss a beat even while dc'ing
[15:19] <jono> any questions for dholbach?
[15:19] <mhall119> should the glade translations issue be added to the /OptRequirement wiki?
[15:19] <mhall119> or are we pretty much done regarding that question
[15:20] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm and I had a chat and we decided to file bugs on the relevant ubuntu packages and tag them 'arb'
[15:20] <mhall119> ok
[15:20] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=arb should have that one already
[15:20] <dholbach> or, hum - maybe it doesn't
[15:20] <dpm> actually, it hasn't, I filed it for upstream gtk
[15:21] <dholbach> ok
[15:21] <mhall119> ugh, is quickly still using python central?
[15:21] <dpm> not sure
[15:21]  * mhall119 spies 2 bugs for that still
[15:21] <mhall119> or, one bug listed twice, which is weird in and of itself
[15:22] <dholbach> LP lists bug tasks
[15:22] <mhall119> oh, different packages, I see
[15:22] <dpm> I think the summary is that we should work with the quickly hackers to get the tools in shape and the fixes SRU'd
[15:22] <jono> agreed
[15:22] <mhall119> +1
[15:22] <mhall119> now if only we had quickly hackers
[15:22] <jono> lets find some :-)
[15:22] <dpm> we can work on that
[15:22] <dpm> yeah :)
[15:22] <mhall119> +2
[15:22] <mhall119> :)
[15:22] <dholbach> :-)
[15:23] <jono> any more questions for dholbach?
[15:23] <jono> alrighty!
[15:23] <jono> next up...
[15:23] <jono> ...if it runs, it will run in the Ubuntu Software Center because of this guy....
[15:23] <jono> ...mhall119!
[15:24] <mhall119> installs through the software center
[15:24] <mhall119> :)
[15:24] <mhall119> Blueprints cleaning and review with dpm and jono
[15:24] <MrChrisDruif> Inceptional
[15:24] <mhall119> 58 work items, a little more than 2 per week, should keep me busy for a while
[15:25] <mhall119> Working with TV community to get contributions started
[15:25] <mhall119> I'm really excited to see the Canonical and Community teams working together on this
[15:25] <mhall119> Working with TV community to get contributions started
[15:25] <mhall119> 820 and climbing!
[15:26] <mhall119> whoops, copy/paste fail
[15:26] <mhall119> Building up my Ask Ubuntu karma by cleaning up and answering questions
[15:26] <mhall119> 820 and climbing!
[15:26] <mhall119> Added Radio and Checkbox menu items to Hello Unity quicklists
[15:26] <mhall119> ^^ spurred on by needing an answer to one of those AU questions
[15:26] <mhall119> (didn't even know you could do this with quicklists)
[15:27] <mhall119> More work on django_juju side project to generate charms for Django sites
[15:27] <mhall119> working on getting my LXC setup working so I can test it
[15:27] <mhall119> jcastro: you're going to like this once it's working :)
[15:27] <jono> nice
[15:27] <mhall119> Followup with ScottL and Oren about Vudu next steps
[15:27] <mhall119> Followup with Forums Council about new App Developer forum
[15:28] <mhall119> meeting tomorrow evening to discuss their questions and concerns
[15:28] <mhall119> Added CLI arguments and static Quicklist to dpm's qreator
[15:28]  * mhall119 ends
[15:28] <dpm> \o/
[15:28] <dpm> that was awesome
[15:28] <mhall119> qreator is awesome
[15:28] <jono> thanks mhall119
[15:28] <jono> any questions for mhall119?
[15:30] <jono> ok
[15:30] <jono> thnaks mhall119!
[15:30] <jono> next up...
[15:30] <jono> ...he will leave no stone un-charmed...prepare for war...it is jcastro!
[15:31] <jcastro> \m/     WELCOME TO MY STATUS REPORT!!!!     \m/
[15:31] <jcastro> today's report brought to you by RUSH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I2gmT3rarY
[15:31] <jcastro> - Blueprints, review is today, so I will have my finalized items
[15:31] <jcastro> - Redoing the charm process as we started off with 34(!) things to review
[15:31] <jcastro> - Stole Daniel's work:
[15:31] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmsProposedProcess
[15:32] <jcastro> http://jujucharms.com/review-queue
[15:32] <jcastro> We started the day with 34 items
[15:32] <dholbach> nice work!
[15:32] <jcastro> and then I tested it and broke it, there are like 10 missing things
[15:32] <jcastro> but that's fine, we'll sort it.
[15:32] <jcastro> along with proposing that: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2012-May/001637.html
[15:33] <jcastro> - I am working on some Charm Store governance: https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmStoreCouncil
[15:33] <jcastro> not yet proposed though
[15:33] <jcastro> - Coming up this week: Event review with Robbie/MSM: https://juju.ubuntu.com/Events
[15:34] <jcastro> so that's basically the week, boostrapping the new review processes so we can start working on the queue
[15:34] <jcastro> questions?
[15:34] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[15:34] <dholbach> jcastro, are you also setting up a pilot schedule on gcal or do you do something cleverer?
[15:34] <jcastro> nope
[15:34] <jcastro> exact stealing from you, so a pilot cal
[15:34] <dholbach> ah ok, cool
[15:35] <dholbach> let me know if you improve it somehow ;-)
[15:35] <jcastro> <3
[15:35] <jono> alright
[15:35] <jono> next up...
[15:35] <jono> ...if it crashes...he will kill it...balloons!
[15:36] <balloons> YESH!
[15:36]  * mhall119 makes a mental note to drive carefully when balloons is around
[15:36] <jono> always
[15:36] <balloons> alrighty, so brain dump time
[15:36] <balloons> In keeping with the theme of the week I was preparing, scheming and planning for 12.10
[15:37] <balloons> * Recruiting mhall119 and dpm to help review my blueprints and give advice (thanks guys!)
[15:37] <dpm> my pleasure :)
[15:37] <balloons> * Bug jono about said blueprints
[15:37] <balloons> * Have jono also bug me about said blueprints :-)
[15:37] <balloons> * (Pending not too distant future, crossing fingers) Have jono approve my blueprints
[15:37] <balloons> * Meet with gema, kate, stephane and joe to discuss and move forward with the isotracker testcae management blueprint. Discuss new UI details, walkthrough use cases and review current progress on development site.
[15:38] <balloons> * checked out hexr (which is a hardware database with a web frontend), as part of research to deploy a public instance. Followed up with pgraner and scheduled time with jk to talk further about technologies used
[15:39] <balloons> * Spoke with U+1 team about adopting ubuntu friendly as a resource for hardware information, specifically utilizing it for focused testing within there team for help and support
[15:39] <balloons> * Spoke with ev about whoopsie, discussed how it might integrate with QA, agreed to publicize errors.ubuntu.com. Planning to blog about details with how whoopsie works
[15:39] <balloons> * Had a day off and went to my college roomate's wedding :-)
[15:40] <balloons> * Blogged post about high level plans for cycle from blueprints and UDS ;-) And pictures!
[15:40] <balloons> * Created a wiki page about me in preparation for ubuntu membership! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/balloons
[15:40] <mhall119> \o/
[15:40]  * dholbach will add comments to it!
[15:41] <balloons> ;-)
[15:41] <balloons> all comments are appreciated
[15:41] <balloons> hopefully, I can get on the schedule for June once the boards are back in place
[15:42] <balloons> and that's it from me
[15:42] <jono> June?
[15:42] <jono> is that the next meeting?
[15:42] <balloons> yes, I believe they will be starting again in June
[15:42] <dholbach> jono, we're restaffing/reorganising the RMBs
[15:42] <jono> ahhh yes
[15:42] <balloons> so yes, the next meeting
[15:42] <jono> cool
[15:43] <jono> anything else balloons?
[15:43] <balloons> nope, that be all
[15:43] <balloons> methinks
[15:43] <jono> thanks balloons
[15:43] <jono> any questions for balloons?
[15:44] <jono> alirghty!
[15:44] <jono> well, I will wrap this up
[15:44] <jono>  * Mainly spent the week catching up with the post-UDS email and meetings. Nice to be at home as opposed to running around a conference venue like a madman.
[15:44] <jono>  * Team:
[15:44] <jono>   - Worked with the team to get their 12.10 blueprints in place.
[15:45] <jono>   - Nearly everyone's is completed now - will be blogging about it soon.
[15:45] <jono>   - Completed all of the performance review meetings.
[15:45] <jono>   - Started coordinating some travel arrangements around various events.
[15:45] <jono>  * QA:
[15:45] <jono>   - Spent some time discussing QA stakeholder requirements.
[15:45] <jono>   - In 12.10 we will primarily be focusing on (1) ISO testing, and (2) special experiences (e.g. running a later kernel on 12.04).
[15:45] <jono>   - Discussed with balloons how we can develop a process for planning and coordinating this work.
[15:45] <jono>  * Consumer Apps:
[15:45] <jono>   - Started flashing out a planning document for getting flash games in the Ubuntu Software Center - gathered input from Consumer Apps, Legal, and elsewhere.
[15:46] <jono>   - Further promo of the EA games.
[15:46] <jono>   - Started discussing with Consumer Apps about another exciting prospect coming to the USC.
[15:46] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[15:46] <jono>   - Lots of hacking in the evening this week, see http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/22/heading-towards-0-2/ for details.
[15:46] <jono>   - Local accomplishments are running now, which means apps can trigger trophies - see the video demo at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GDxpqX4Szl0
[15:46] <jono> any questions for me?
[15:46] <dpm> no questions here
[15:47] <dholbach> I think I'm all set
[15:47]  * mhall119 is good
[15:47] <balloons> are we still planning the move to #ubuntu-meeting for this meeting?
[15:47] <mhall119> the meeting we just finished?
[15:47] <balloons> I haven't seen a # endmeeting yet ;-)
[15:48] <jono> :-)
[15:48] <jono> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 22 15:48:03 2012 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-05-22-15.01.moin.txt
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-05-22-15.01.html
[15:48] <jcastro> \o/
[15:48] <mhall119> the meeting we just finished?
[15:48] <balloons> rofl
[15:48] <balloons> so trolled
[15:48] <dholbach> I think our meeting clashed with somebody else's
[15:48] <jono> yeah it clashed with another one
[15:48] <jono> I will look at moving this to another time
[15:48] <jono> my mornings are generally pretty free of calls
[15:48] <jono> ;-)
[15:48] <dholbach> haha
[15:48] <balloons> haha
[15:49] <jono> I will see what we can do
[15:49] <balloons> There seems to be no one in there now..
[15:49] <balloons> anyways :-)
[15:49] <dholbach> yeah, back to work for me - thanks guys :)
[15:49] <jono> balloons, it is a fortnightly meeting I think
[15:49] <jono> thanks, chaps!
[15:49] <dholbach> and I'll see how far a linksys router can fly out of the window
[15:50] <dholbach> brb
[15:50] <nigelb> wait, what?
[16:01] <amithkk> Um... guys
[16:01] <amithkk> I have a problem
[16:02] <dpm> what's up amithkk
[16:03] <dholbach> balloons, wiki page updated :)
[16:03] <amithkk> Endavour, the server on which twobottux runs, is having a big problem
[16:13] <balloons> dholbach, thanks :-)
[16:13] <balloons> I guess I need to actively solicit for more of those eh?
[16:23] <amithkk> @login
[16:23] <meetingology> amithkk: Error: "login" is not a valid command.
[16:23] <amithkk> Wait... AlanBell does meetingology run on the '@' prefix?
[16:33] <nigelb> heh
[16:37] <AlanBell> it accepts some commands that way
[16:52] <dholbach> alrightie - I call it a day
[16:52] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:10] <jono> jcastro, did you see my reply to the dropbox guy
[17:10] <jono> my gmail is being screwy
[17:11] <jcastro> yep
[17:11] <jono> it keeps saying sending in background
[17:11] <jono> cool
[17:11] <jono> thanks
[17:11] <jono> I was worried my mails were not getting through
[17:11] <jcastro> I turn on  background sending in the labs
[17:11] <jcastro> then I don't block the UI
[17:11] <jcastro> I can just go go go
[17:12] <czajkowski> why is it my eod turns out to be the busiest all day long bar the whole leaving the building due to loud fire alarm
[17:12] <jcastro> heh
[17:12] <jcastro> pleia2: I updated your ad for userdays: http://meta.askubuntu.com/a/2243/235
[17:13] <jcastro> just ping me when you need an update
[17:13] <jcastro> jono: we going today?
[17:13] <jono> jcastro, yeah, I am just stuck in discussions right now
[17:13] <jono> jcastro, lets do it this afternoon
[17:14] <jcastro> sure!
[17:16] <pleia2> jcastro: cool, thanks
[17:32] <jono> balloons, sorry, been a busy morning, we will speak soon
[17:32] <jono> just wrapping a few discussions up
[17:33] <balloons> kao
[17:34] <jcastro> dpm: ping
[17:34] <asomething> anyone know how community folk get on status.ubuntu.com?
[17:34] <jcastro> ping cjohnston
[17:34] <jono> asomething, you have to have work items in approve blueprints
[17:35]  * balloons is happy to assign work items if needed
[17:35] <balloons> jono, you'll likely get a furry visitor in the call too
[17:35] <jono> balloons, aha!
[17:36] <asomething> i have a few already, and i'm sure dholbach will come up with some more stuff for me =)
[17:38] <jono> asomething, dholabach has been raving about your work :-)
[17:38] <jono> thanks for all your contributions!
[17:38]  * asomething blushes
[17:49] <AlanBell> asomething: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/actions.txt these are all the actions including those not on status.ubuntu.com
[17:49] <AlanBell> strictly speaking it is every line on a pad from a public UDS session that starts with "["
[17:50] <asomething> AlanBell, "action" sure has a lot of work items
[17:52] <AlanBell> yes, people will probably be editing those ones to put in real lp names when they transfer the pads to blueprints (probably)
[17:57] <cjohnston> jcastro: yo
[18:01] <jono> balloons, ok lets roll
[18:01] <jono> thanks for your patience, balloons
[18:01] <balloons> hehe
[18:02] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[19:35] <jono> jcastro, ok lets go in about 10mins
[19:36] <jcastro> ROCK
[19:44] <jono> jcastro, creating hangout
[19:44]  * jcastro goes
[19:45] <jcastro> tells me the party is over
[19:45] <jono> jcastro, invite sent


[14:49] <dholbach> who wants to join the roundtable in 10mins?
[14:50] <belkinsa> I wish if I was at home.  ;)
[14:50] <belkinsa> Well, I want to if I was, is what I meant.
[14:51] <belkinsa> Well...dunno, really.  I could do it in a public place but I'm in a place where a crowd of people will come in like 30 minutes
[14:52] <dholbach> ok, we'll have another roundtable tomorrow too :)
[14:52]  * skellat has to be off-camera today
[14:52] <belkinsa> Yeah, but I miss it because I'm commuting back home at that time
[14:52]  * belkinsa only has one class and it's the first thing in the morning
[14:56] <belkinsa> dholbach, the pad for the session is already created.
[14:57] <dholbach> super
[14:57] <belkinsa> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-roundtable if any one needs it
[15:00] <dpm> thanks belkinsa
[15:01] <belkinsa> o/ cheesehead, I may need you in the future ;).  and dpm not a porblem
[15:01]  * skellat waves at dpm & dholbach
[15:01] <dholbach> skellat, want to join?
[15:01] <skellat> I'm off-camera today
[15:01] <skellat> Broadband provider issues
[15:01] <dholbach> skellat, do you want to join voice-only?
[15:02] <belkinsa> I think everyone one who reads Planet ubuntu knows that both from you, skellat, and me.
[15:02] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-roundtable
[15:03] <mhall119> I'll be around, but might not talk much due to answering Summit questions in PM
[15:04] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/track/community/
[15:04] <cheesehead> belkinsa: Sure
[15:04] <belkinsa> Should we use the QUESTION: system?
[15:05] <skellat> I just adjusted the blueprint for "Community Events" to note the blocker on scheduling Global Jam as we won't know the release schedule until late Friday
[15:05] <dholbach> thanks skellat
[15:05] <mhall119> belkinsa: yes, also anybody can join the hangout if they want to
[15:05] <belkinsa> Cool
[15:05] <mhall119> there should be a link above the video feed to join
[15:05] <belkinsa> Also the new YouTube client has a link for the joining too.
[15:06] <skellat> I'll likely attempt to be "voice-only" during the community events session
[15:06] <popey> o/
[15:08] <skellat> Very big session we need to encourage participation in this week: ISO localization
[15:08] <mhall119> it's not UOS without popey's cat
[15:08] <popey> :D
[15:08] <belkinsa> skellat, is there a session for that?
[15:08] <skellat> belkinsa: Yes
[15:08] <skellat> belkinsa: Tomorrow -- http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22380/development-1411-iso-l10n-uefi/
[15:09] <skellat> We really need a lot of people there as that is hyper-important at least from LoCo Councill's perspective
[15:09]  * skellat helped instigate the session
[15:10] <skellat> The folks behind ubuntu-defaults-builder would be helpful
[15:10] <skellat> UEFI!
[15:11] <cp> How about attempting to address the issue of educating users about universe security with a ubuntu-security-support package based on debian-security-support?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8965845/  has a bit more detail.
[15:11] <mhall119> cp: is there a session for that?
[15:11] <belkinsa> Sure, but I think that isn't a community track one
[15:12] <cp> Not that I know of.  That is why I am bring it up.
[15:12] <belkinsa> Yon can prose it
[15:12] <mhall119> yeah, that's an Ubuntu Development track topic, but if you're willing to run that session you should propose it to one of those track leads
[15:12] <dholbach> cp, you could file it using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Create
[15:12] <cp> Universe is a community issue, the community is supposedly the people who maintain it.
[15:14] <skellat> cp: We're splitting a very fine line here.  Although maintenance of Universe is a community issue, creation of a ubuntu-security-support tool is a creative task of development.  We can put that there most appropriately as there would be issues in how we adapt Debian's work perhaps.
[15:14] <belkinsa> Mate is a food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_%28beverage%29
[15:14] <belkinsa> ;)
[15:15] <mhall119> cp: the Community track is for community development, Ubuntu Development track is for distro development
[15:15] <popey> \o/ MATE
[15:15] <dholbach> popey, acid popey is back
[15:16]  * belkinsa is really guessing that the MATE might be coming from that since it's some sort of fusion
[15:18] <skellat> I'm double-booked between LoCo Team Activity Review as well as 15.04 release planning on Friday.  One is my wearing LoCo Council hat and the other is wearing Xubuntu Team "member without portfolio" hat.  I haven't figured out which session I'll actually be attending yet.
[15:18] <belkinsa> I hope akiva knows that, dholbach.
[15:19] <dholbach> belkinsa, yep, pinged akiva
[15:19] <belkinsa> Thank you!
[15:19] <dholbach> thanks :)
[15:20] <cp> skellat said "creative task of development".  I think this package is already done and all we need to do is follow Debian as far as the development of the package.  The issue is one of maintenance where we need to have input from various people about what to put in the data files about the particular packages.
[15:20] <mhall119> cp: it would still be an Ubuntu Development track session
[15:20] <mhall119> cp: I recommend you ping those track leads about it: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/tracks
[15:21] <cp> OK, I'll look at the UDS/create page.
[15:21] <dholbach> thanks cp
[15:21] <mhall119> thanks cp :)
[15:22] <belkinsa> The Ubuntu Doc team isn't doing a roundtable for this UOS because of lack of people wanting to do one.
[15:22] <skellat> belkinsa: You're a membership board member...you should speak up here!
[15:23] <belkinsa> We could do one but I should e-mail the others.
[15:23] <belkinsa> Or have the CC session to do it
[15:23] <skellat> belkinsa: I mean speak about membership in regards to what the gentlemen are speaking about
[15:23] <belkinsa> skellat, that could be a good session if I can get someone else in the board to help me.
[15:24] <skellat> Understood
[15:24] <belkinsa> On it!
[15:24] <dholbach> we can talk about it in the community council session
[15:24] <mhall119> belkinsa: depending on timing I'll join with my CC hat on
[15:25] <belkinsa> I may be late to that session by a bit, 10 minutes may be the most.
[15:25] <belkinsa> I can be the Board rep, if needed.
[15:25] <dholbach> it'll be great to have you there
[15:26] <startech> Just got here. Can someone get me up to speed?
[15:28] <belkinsa> e-mail sent to the Membership board
[15:29] <mhall119> startech: rewind the video and check the etherpad notes
[15:29] <mhall119> startech: it's mostly skimmed over several topics
[15:29] <belkinsa> startech, you can watch the video again after the session too
[15:30] <dholbach> any topics you want to discuss?
[15:31] <startech> thanks belkinsa.
[15:31] <belkinsa> Keep in mind what times we have on Friday...
[15:32] <cheesehead> I don't see much difference between "Community Roundtable" and "Community Team Feedback"
[15:32] <mhall119> cheesehead: one is more general discussion about community topics
[15:32] <mhall119> the other is more specific to what those of us on the video do for our regular tasks
[15:33] <belkinsa> mhall119, I am and I'm trying to recruit one or two more people to help.  popey you are welcome to help if you aren't in another session at the time.
[15:33] <cheesehead> mhall119: RGR. Thanks.
[15:33] <mhall119> \o/
[15:34] <belkinsa> We could the UOS feedback on Friday at 14 UTC or 16 UTC
[15:35] <mhall119> preferably 14, I'd like to be in the LoCo Team activity session at 16
[15:35] <belkinsa> Alright, let's save that slot fo the feedback session
[15:36] <mhall119> thanks belkinsa
[15:36] <belkinsa> And I will get that done for you
[15:36]  * skellat is going to run away to find a microphone & mixer board for the next session
[15:36] <belkinsa> Do you need a blueprint for the UOS feedback session?
[15:36] <mhall119> I think we should, it's likely to result in work items
[15:37] <belkinsa> Okay, on it
[15:38] <cheesehead> Feedback: I think the lack of community outrage here today is a good thing. It means the community is being heard; that Ubuntu is responsive.
[15:38] <belkinsa> Keep in mind, I'm scheduling it not leading it.  I'm in class during that time.
[15:38] <cheesehead> Just like Upgrading to 14.10. It's so good, it's boring.
[15:39] <mhall119> belkinsa: you can put me as drafter on the BP if you want
[15:39] <belkinsa> Okay, I will
[15:40] <belkinsa> Is the project, UOS or Ubuntu?
[15:40] <mhall119> ubuntu
[15:40] <belkinsa> Okay
[15:40] <belkinsa> Not a problem
[15:41] <mhall119> thanks belkinsa :)
[15:42] <belkinsa> :D
[15:42] <belkinsa> And done: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/uos-1411-community-uos-feedback
[15:43] <mhall119> should get into summit within the next hour
[15:43] <belkinsa> Alright.
[15:44] <belkinsa> I wish you all a good time at the UOS and I will see you tomorrow, as I don't have any other sessions to come to and I have school work to finish.
[15:47] <dholbach> dpm, I'll start the next one as well
[15:48] <dpm> dholbach, thanks. I'll go and turn the light on, it's getting dark in the hangout :)
[15:48] <dholbach> yeah, same here :)
[15:49] <cheesehead> Thanks, what a clever bot.
[15:50] <mhall119> cheesehead: when UDS was in-person the bots would put big warnings up on the projector to tell us we were about to be kicked out of the room :)
[15:51] <cheesehead> mhall119: Ah, good times.
[15:59] <dholbach> does anyone want to join the session?
[16:00] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-1411-appdev-events
[16:05] <dholbach> does anyone want to join the hangout?
[16:07] <dholbach> notes at http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-1411-appdev-events
[16:09] <halla> is training material downloable?
[16:10] <dholbach> halla, yes, it's available at http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-dev-training/
[16:11] <dholbach> halla, scopes material will be added in the coming weeks
[16:16] <dholbach> any more feedback?
[16:38] <dpm> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2677/
[16:55] <davidcalle_> Thanks guys!
[17:40] <aveemashfaq> is this starting in half an hour
[17:40] <aveemashfaq> i am in IST and i don't have a clue what time zone this refers to
[17:40] <elfy> should be in 20 minutes
[17:41] <elfy> aveemashfaq: date -u in a terminal will show you UTC :)
[17:41] <aveemashfaq> i know that. i did a google search
[17:41] <aveemashfaq> i was just confused what time was mentioned UTC or CET
[17:41] <aveemashfaq> thank you elfy
[17:42] <elfy> the summit pages refer to UTC :)
[17:52] <dholbach> dpm, I'll kick off the events session
[17:52] <dpm> thanks again dholbach
[17:52] <rrnwexex> hi guys, cloud-related community guy here.
[17:59]  * skellat is ready to be "audio-only" this round
[17:59] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join the hangout?
[18:00]  * skellat is having to install the plugin again
[18:00] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfwbYnnxymcasxVI4e7kMx8ESSNG22jXFwl21R_4irrbQflIg
[18:01] <dpm> if anyone wants to join in ^
[18:01] <dholbach> dkessel, elfy: anyone else wants to join in?
[18:01] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-community-1411-planning-v-cycle-events
[18:01] <dpm> To keep notes for the session
[18:01] <elfy> dholbach: I'm in and out
[18:01] <elfy> so might later :)
[18:02] <thomi> I'm lurking, I can join if I'm needed
[18:02] <thomi> I'm not really sure what balloons has in mind for me :D
[18:03] <balloons> hey thomi :-)
[18:03] <dkessel> dholbach: eating, sorry
[18:03] <dpm> thomi, it's next hour :)
[18:03] <thomi> oh really?
[18:03] <thomi> I could have stayed in bed!
[18:03] <balloons> thomi, yea, next hour for manual testing
[18:03] <thomi> well, now I feel silly
[18:04] <elfy> blame timezones thomi :)
[18:04] <balloons> 1900 UTC.. I blame timezones combined with dailylight savings
[18:04] <elfy> ha
[18:04] <aveemashfaq> i don't have any problem joining the hangouts but should i
[18:04] <aveemashfaq> i can get some input
[18:04] <slickymasterWork> I'll be here just for a short period
[18:11] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[18:12] <aveemashfaq> SUGGESTION: new users do not have any idea about how to test and give feedback (peoople like me are enthusiastic but no nothing). So, atleast better documentation is required
[18:12] <elfy> aveemashfaq: last cycle there were a couple of sessions about testing
[18:13] <aveemashfaq> Firstly, please post them in the google plus community or atleast make a youtube video and link it so that we can know
[18:14] <aveemashfaq> no novice user wants to get into uncharted waters in the beginning, but that does not mean that he or she is not so enthusiastic
[18:15] <aveemashfaq> are the guys who are speaking even reading the irc
[18:15] <elfy> dpm - did any result come from the uos  date?
[18:15] <elfy> aveemashfaq: no idea :)
[18:16] <elfy> probably
[18:16] <elfy> aveemashfaq: as far as testing is concerned, last time iirc it was part of an open week
[18:17] <elfy> balloons: ^^ you'd be the one to comment when you're free
[18:18] <skellat> balloons, elfy: I guess we need to consider your social media platform usage for testing calls
[18:20] <skellat> balloons, elfy: We may need to do an "on-boarding video" or two for new testers (dpm: please copy to notes)
[18:20] <elfy> generally it's nothing to do with me at all
[18:20] <skellat> elfy: :-) You know my biases
[18:20] <elfy> you should see all of the testing calls that I'm interested in :)
[18:21] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/communities/114878029820171227880
[18:22] <skellat> aveemashfaq: You can find images for testing at iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[18:22] <elfy> they've quit
[18:22] <dpm> elfy, we've not come to that yet
[18:22] <elfy> dpm:  cool
[18:29] <skellat> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1411-planning-v-cycle-events
[18:35] <skellat> Communications channels is tricky
[18:35] <dholbach> skellat, I'll move the Ubuntu members question from the blueprint to the notes of the Community Council session tomorrow
[18:35] <skellat> Understood
[18:35] <skellat> Ubuntu Member persons are the kernels of LoCo teams
[18:37] <balloons> skellat, elfy hey :-)
[18:38] <balloons> let me pop over
[18:38] <elfy> the guy wandered off and is in the hangout now balloons :)
[18:39] <skellat> More assets
[18:40] <skellat> Work item added: [loco-council] Assess the state of social media usage by LoCo Teams
[18:40]  * balloons reads scrollback
[18:42] <skellat> Other work items added:
[18:42] <skellat> [loco-council] Assess the state of social media usage by LoCo Teams and look at developing best practices.
[18:42] <skellat> [loco-council] Develop review of question: How do we "follow the zeitgeist" in terms of maximizing use of social networks in approaching users
[18:54] <elfy> hi bdmurray
[18:55] <balloons> for whomever wants in the next session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYd7XNGKCdOWsUQGzWe0_9Df5ZUEBRWfTHP0Wf2_GxCxmW97CA?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:56] <cheesehead> I really like quarterly UOS. Perhaps it needs to change to two days.
[18:56] <akiva-is-yellow> o/ hey all
[18:56] <akiva-is-yellow> I like getting together; really energizes me
[18:57] <elfy> hi akiva-is-yellow
[18:57] <akiva-is-yellow> elfy, hey elfy
[19:02] <balloons> alright, time to go :-)
[19:02]  * balloons pushes button
[19:03] <elfy> push the other one ...
[19:03] <elfy> nothing here
[19:07] <elfy> hi brendand
[19:18] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/DevEnv
[19:27] <elfy> brendand: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases
[19:28] <elfy> xubuntu use suites of tests for packages
[19:30] <elfy> balloons: gtg, I'll try and catch up on the session tomorrow - from my pov
[19:34] <bdmurray> I'd like to see links to crash reports in the Error Tracker.
[19:35] <bdmurray> bitesize?
[19:37] <bdmurray> In the test results for a particular test, like how people add bug reports.
[19:38] <bdmurray> I sent an e-mail about how crash reporting from live cds is enabled now and you can find the OOPS IDs in /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log
[19:38] <bdmurray> So then we could have counts of how many people are experiencing crashes.
[19:39] <bdmurray> I think both are necessary at this point in time since there is no communication path with crash reports.
[19:40] <bdmurray> Also the qa tracker allows you to link to any bug in Launchpad (those that aren't crashes) where we wouldn't have duplicates.
[19:41] <bdmurray> Sure, if an API method doesn't exist for the error tracker I can add one.
[19:41] <balloons> https://errors.ubuntu.com/
[19:41] <bdmurray> And I'm happy to do the development work on the qa tracker, if it will be used.
[19:43] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects
[19:43] <bdmurray> yep
[19:44] <bdmurray> Yes, that is what I'd expect.
[19:53] <balloons> aveem, are you about in channel?


[13:07] <jj_MATE> Hello.
[13:08] <jj_MATE> Anybody have any reccs for a notification app for MATE? Want somewhere where I can look at Notifications that passed over & I might have missed
[23:54] <NutNut> Does anyone know where the updates of Ubuntu mate are going? I need to update an Ubuntu offline.


[02:44] <MTecknology> Where can I pull down the kernel source and default .config?
[02:44] <lifeless> debcheckout linux-x-y-z
[02:45] <MTecknology> !info debcheckout
[02:45] <ubot3`> Package debcheckout does not exist in jaunty
[02:45] <MTecknology> !search debcheckout
[02:45] <ubot3`> Found:
[02:46] <MTecknology> lifeless: ?
[02:50] <Darxus> Heh.
[02:50] <Darxus> MTecknology: You already have the .config you're using, somewhere in /boot/.
[02:50] <Darxus> There is a linux-source package...
[02:52] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[02:52] <Darxus> You're welcome.
[02:53] <MTecknology> hopefully I actually know enough to go mucking around in it :P
[02:53] <lifeless> the linux-source package isn't quite the same as the repo
[02:53] <lifeless> its output during the build, as opposed to whats used to build packages
[02:54] <lifeless> if you want to build a new package, you want to use apt-get source or debcheckout
[02:54] <lifeless> $ dpkg -S debcheckout
[02:54] <lifeless> devscripts: /usr/bin/debcheckout
[02:54] <Darxus> Or make-kpkg...
[02:56] <MTecknology> 4 days until freeze - anything important left to finish off?
[02:57] <MTecknology> 2.5 min left to pull it :P
[03:04] <MTecknology> "These are 'Null' algorithms, used by IPsec, which do nothing." ... what's the point of this?
[03:05] <MTecknology> CONFIG_CRYPTO_NULL
[03:05] <hzhang__> ericm_, if so, <ericm> phenompanda, test build has no prob with latest kernel - EABI without OABI_COMPAT
[03:05] <lifeless> testing
[03:05] <hzhang__> ericm_, what's the difference between those two binaries?
[03:05] <hzhang__> ericm_, like size vmlinux, how much data section and bss section squeezed ?
[03:16] <MTecknology> wow.. you guys pack a whole lot into the kernel
[03:18] <jk-_> MTecknology: testing, i'd say
[03:23] <MTecknology> jk-: I think there's always a lot in there - just part of having a distro that "just works"
[03:25]  * MTecknology loves "make all modules_install install"
[03:26] <Darxus> I'm wondering how much benefit there would be to a program that figured out what hardware you have and recompiles a custom kernel for you.
[03:26] <Darxus> Something that "just works".
[03:29] <MTecknology> Darxus: not a bad idea but that would be hard considering some people will install ntfs-3g only the second they need it
[03:29] <MTecknology> ar similar
[03:30] <ericm_> hzhang__, haven't compared yet - wait moment
[03:32] <MTecknology> Is there any reason for this setting? drivers/block/cciss.c:3153: warning: the frame size of 1056 bytes is larger than 1024 bytes
[03:33] <ericm_> hzhang__, ok will check once compilation is done here
[03:39] <ericm_>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
[03:39] <ericm_> 3211565	 250208	 112336	3574109	 36895d	vmlinux.with_oabi_compat
[03:39] <ericm_>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
[03:39] <ericm_> 3204537	 250112	 112336	3566985	 366d89	vmlinux.no_oabi_compat
[03:39] <ericm_> withou oabi_compat, code size seems to shrink a bit, but not data section, is this what you expected?
[03:43] <hzhang__> ericm_, well, not a very good news, but also worthy to give a try ...
[03:44] <hzhang__> ericm_, 7KB text section and 80Bytes data ...
[03:44] <hzhang__> ericm_, thanks, anyway :)
[03:50] <ericm_> MTecknology, for testing - most drivers are built-in instead of being module - so comes the size
[03:52] <MTecknology> ericm_: compiling the default kernel less some stuff takes a long time :P
[03:52] <MTecknology> I didn't realize how much is needed for a kernel that will "just work" for everyone
[04:12] <ericm_> hzhang__, yes - I guess that's significant for your environment ;-)
[04:14] <hzhang__> ericm_, well, once you try this "nm --size -r vmlinux | head -10" for search for big symbols
[04:14] <hzhang__> ericm_, you will always get a 8K bytes symbol  in data section - "init_thread_union"
[04:15] <ericm_> MTecknology, I see - thanks
[04:18] <hzhang__> ericm_, 8K, is that a must? seems others are quite tiny, no more than 4KB
[04:31] <MTecknology> How do I update grub2 to use the newly installed kernel?
[04:46] <ericm-afk> MTecknology, /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[04:58] <MTecknology> ericm_: I didn't know if update-grub would do it or not
[04:59] <ericm_> MTecknology, supposed so - I haven't done a kernel upgrade yet
[05:00] <ericm_> MTecknology, are you installing a kernel package or something you built yourself?
[05:00] <MTecknology> I built one
[05:05] <MTecknology> ericm_: looks like update-grub does work
[05:05] <ericm_> MTecknology, cool
[05:06]  * ericm_ will be back in a while
[11:26] <Keybuk> so here's a fun one, after a few hours this machine slows down to an absolute crawl
[11:26]  * Keybuk wonders how the hell he'd go about debugging that
[11:34] <amitk> Keybuk: nothing showing up in iotop or latencytop?
[11:34] <Keybuk> no, that's the curious thing
[11:34] <Keybuk> I'll check again next time it does it
[12:18] <apw> Keybuk, perhaps a memory leak, take a snapshot of slabinfo when you are working and compare to when you are broken
[12:18] <Keybuk> it's gone slow now
[12:18] <Keybuk> so what should I look for?
[12:21] <Keybuk> latencytop says
[12:21] <Keybuk> Scheduler: waiting for cpu                        107.7 msec        100.0 %
[12:23] <Keybuk> unusable now - so shall reboot
[12:23] <Keybuk> then compare
[12:31] <Keybuk_> I was going to do the "at least Linux boots fast" joke
[12:31] <Keybuk_> but it didn't boot at all!
[12:32] <Keybuk_> "VFS: unable to mount root" PANIC
[12:37] <Keybuk> apw: the biggest difference in slabinfo during slowness and after reboot is in buffer_head
[12:37] <Keybuk> now:
[12:37] <Keybuk> buffer_head        17048  17064    112   36    1 : tunables    0    0    0 : slabdata    474    474      0
[12:37] <Keybuk> while slow:
[12:37] <Keybuk> buffer_head<PHONE_NUMBER>68    112   36    1 : tunables    0    0    0 : slabdata   3988   3988      0
[12:37] <apw> whats head -1 of that say
[12:38] <Keybuk> slabinfo - version: 2.1
[12:38] <Keybuk>  ?
[12:38] <Keybuk> or did you mean
[12:38] <Keybuk> # name            <active_objs> <num_objs> <objsize> <objperslab> <pagesperslab> : tunables <limit> <batchcount> <sharedfactor> : slabdata <active_slabs> <num_slabs> <sharedavail>
[12:38] <apw> yea
[12:38] <apw> that doesn't sound like an earth ending amount
[12:38] <apw> hrm
[12:38] <Keybuk> indeed
[12:39] <jk-> you can end the earth with the slab allocator? cool.
[12:39] <apw> oh yeah :)
[12:46] <Keybuk> apw: nothing really revealing in iotop or latency top either
[12:46] <Keybuk> I wonder whether it's this dodgy "you want hardware? I get you hardware!" SSD
[12:47] <apw> does it recover on a reboot?
[12:47] <apw> i'd expect ssd effects to be more ongoing
[12:47] <Keybuk> no, that's what's making me think
[12:48] <Keybuk> it only recovered after a physical power off and on again
[12:48] <apw> hrm
[12:48] <Keybuk> next time it does that, I'll see whether just the reboot makes it recover or not
[12:48] <Keybuk> it was a bit hard to this time due to the empty initramfs issue
[12:49] <apw> we have an empty initramfs?
[12:49] <Keybuk> yes, seen it a couple of times now
[12:49] <Keybuk> initramfs update gets borked
[12:52]  * apw struggles to understand why installing one kernel now means we rebuild the grub config 2x
[12:52] <apw> especially now its as slow as nose-juice
[12:53] <apw> Keybuk, that reminds me, dispite usplash being back there is a fair gap between the end of usplash and x starting, is that expected?
[12:54] <Keybuk> I guess
[12:54] <Keybuk> X takes a second or two to start
[12:58] <apw> as we're not changing mode i am supprised usplash can't persist till X zaps the display
[12:58] <apw> for KMS setups
[13:01] <apw> iisn't that what plymouth does, just exits leaving the display message, and asks X to leave it alone?
[13:02] <Keybuk> basically yes
[13:02] <Keybuk> but we've never figured that patch out
[13:02] <Keybuk> and it may be that usplash's svgalibness prevents it
[13:02] <Keybuk> much as it pains me to suggest it, we may have to do plymouth and forgo nvidia-glx users wrath
[14:30] <Lure> can somebody review request to cherry-pick from linus (if new kernel is planned): bug 392017
[14:30] <ubot3`> Malone bug 392017 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "kms and nonkms use different display names. HDMI-1 vs DVI1" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392017
[14:34] <apw> rtg i am looking at an issue with slow mount on usb disks, and it feels like readahead simply doesn't work ... seen anything like that?
[14:35] <rtg> apw, mounting a rootfs on a USB disk?
[14:36] <apw> this is simply mounting a vfat filesystem, it does a scan of the fat to work out free blocks cause 'the other' doesn't keep the superblock stats up to date
[14:36] <apw> from what i can see its submitting read ahead but not getting any benefit at all
[14:36] <apw> performance wise
[14:36] <apw> and wondering if it rang a bell
[14:37] <rtg> apw, do you think the I/O scheduler setting has anything to do with it?
[14:37] <apw> seems the same with cfq and with deadline
[14:37] <rtg> then no, I've not encountered it
[14:37] <jjohansen> apw: is it usb hd or a usb flash?
[14:38] <apw> its a rotating disk in this case
[14:39] <jjohansen> apw: could it be because it is fat, and has to read in the fat table
[14:39] <jjohansen> s/table/tables/
[14:39] <apw> yep its defiantly fat and the fat table thats the issue
[14:39] <apw> but ... they added readahead support for it for this very operation
[14:40] <apw> and it seems to be triggereing, but the performance simply sucks, like its not there
[14:40] <rtg> apw, I mounted as fairly large ext3 USB disk just yesterday with no noticeable delays
[14:41] <apw> rtg, non-fat are not affected, this is a specific fat pattern triggered issue
[14:41] <rtg> apw, the moral of the story is, don't use FAT.
[14:41] <apw> it used to work, now it doesn't ... something broke
[14:42] <apw> from the evidence i have to hand it implies readahead is not working
[14:42] <apw> which would impact everything and everyone
[14:42] <rtg> apw, oh, that seems a bit more serious
[14:43] <apw> if i am reading this right its taking 1min40 to read 7mb
[14:45] <apw> 76mb in 1:40 ... still unreasonable even for a harddrive
[14:46] <jjohansen> apw: yikes that is bad
[14:46] <apw> yeah not even sure why it would be that bad even without read ahead, as its doing linear reads anyhow
[14:47] <jjohansen> apw: if it is close to the same with and without read ahead, and the figure is that bad I would think it is something else that is broken
[14:48] <smb> apw, If everything is linear the device cache should have a performance boost. The question is whether bios are correctly merged into larger requests or whether small ones get sent down
[14:49] <apw> well without readahead they are syncronous 512 byte sector reads
[14:49] <apw> with it in theiry they should be dumped in in 256 sector chunks
[14:51] <smb> wasn't device read ahead 128 sectors?
[14:51] <apw> this is being done explicitly in the fs
[14:52] <smb> hm, there is another setting defined in the device queue
[14:52] <smb> in /sys/block/sd?/queue/read_ahead_kb (ok, it actually 128 kb)
[14:57] <apw> yep, but this is explicit, so even if the one you mention there is not working this one is definatly occuring
[14:59] <smb> right, if the fs does this too, this should generate requests of that size at least.
[15:00] <smb> Actually there has been another thing (maybe on the vfs layer) which would adapt on the amount of sequential hits...
[16:37] <Lure> rtg: thanks for takin care of bug 392017
[16:37] <ubot3`> Malone bug 392017 in linux "kms and nonkms use different display names. HDMI-1 vs DVI1" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392017
[16:37] <rtg> np
[16:41] <rtg> smb, apw: you guys never answered my question about CONFIG_X86_PAT
[16:41] <smb> rtg, no not really. And I got no idea why it was/is unset
[16:42] <rtg> smb, what harm do you foresee if its enabled?
[16:42]  * apw is supprised to find it is off
[16:43] <smb> I cannot claim complete understanding but as it is the default there should not be much harm
[16:43] <rtg> which is why I'm pushing the issue.
[16:44] <rtg> ok, I'm gonna turn it on for Beta
[16:44] <cking> it's been around for quite a while - anyone seen any other distros with kitten killer X86_PAT bugs?
[16:45] <rtg> cking, yeah, I'm a bit boggled that we don't have it enabled.
[16:45] <cking> and there's a nopat kernel boot option isn't there if it causes an issue with broken H/W
[16:46] <rtg> yep
[16:46] <apw> rtg beta, didn't we aleady ship beta?
[16:46] <rtg> apw, uh, you know, the next kernel whatever it is.
[16:46] <apw> heh :)
[16:48] <cking> hehe - there are SuSe discussions on why Ubuntu left it out w.r.t. the e1000e bug way back
[16:50]  * cking wonders if the citysprint emailer is actually not human - in which case, I may have failed the turning test
[16:50] <cking> s/turning/Turing/
[16:50] <rtg> cking, you couldn't 'turn' on a dime?
[17:06] <rtg> jjohansen, you gonna put the full court press on the ec2 i386 regression?
[17:06] <jjohansen> rtg: yep
[17:07] <rtg> jjohansen, thanks.
[17:07] <jjohansen> right now I am doing clean rebuilds of and akis of everything
[17:08] <rtg> jjohansen, you should rewind a re-do the rebase yourself. IIRC I had a conflict that I solved, but perhaps I flubbed it.
[17:09] <jjohansen> rtg: will do, just want to double check with a second build, it is easy too easy to mess something little up
[17:52] <pgraner> cking: sorry, didn't realize we were in the DT channel
[17:53] <cking> pgraner, why upgrade the BIOS - the version on that PV is the same as the one on my one which runs Karmic OK
[17:53] <pgraner> cking: Didn't know, I usually try and keep boxes up to the latest
[17:53] <cking> living life on the bleeding edge again..
[17:54] <cking> pgraner, I kinda helped them iron out all the Linux-centric BIOS issues, so it should be OK
[17:55] <cking> ..but if you like pain, I'm not stopping you upgrading ;-)
[17:55] <pgraner> cking: nope I"m good, I just assumed that the one on the box was old and could use a bump
[17:56] <cking> pgraner, I kept 4 of these boxes upto date, so they are good IMHO
[17:56] <pgraner> cking: cool
[18:03] <Darxus> I had /window 15
[18:03] <Darxus> Oops.
[18:10] <lamont> where did my broadcom-working state go ?
[18:11] <lamont> meh... is network mangler, not kernel
[18:11] <rtg> lamont: this is a binary blob driver, right?
[18:13] <lamont> rtg: it's a perfectly functional driver.... network mangler just failed to bring it up
[18:13] <lamont> ifconfig and it's happy
[18:14]  * rtg thinks binary blob and perfectly functional is an oxymoron
[18:18] <lamont> well, functional is totally separate from _SUPPORTABLE_ :(
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[21:28] <Whoopie> rtg: Hi, did you think about enabling CONFIG_PCIEASPM? It saves some power on laptops.
[21:30] <rtg> Whoopie, its still marked experimental.
[21:31] <Whoopie> rtg: what about enabling the CONFIG_, but disabling by default so that the user can enable it via sysfs?
[21:36] <MTecknology> So... I downloaded the kernel source, used the same config that's in /boot, compiled and installed using "make all modules_install install", and booted to it but it died on boot complaining about not being able to remove /forcefsck on read-only file system
[21:36] <MTecknology> I didn't make any modifications to the kernel..
[21:44] <Whoopie> rtg: it's enabled in config.flavour.powerpc-smp
[21:44] <rtg> Whoopie, send an email to the k-t list and I'll consider it later.
[21:45] <Whoopie> ok, thanks
[21:45] <rtg> MTecknology, I has something similar happen to me on a fresh install today. what is your clock setting?
[21:46] <MTecknology> rtg: how do I check that?
[21:46] <rtg> MTecknology, from your BIOS during boot. it must be ahead of the file system
[21:46] <MTecknology> I'll check once I finish an update
[21:47] <MTecknology> what does that change?
[21:47] <rtg> MTecknology, make sure your clock is set to the current time (less your UTC offset).
[21:48] <MTecknology> You mean set the clock to UTC?
[21:48] <MTecknology> or the local time
[21:48] <rtg> MTecknology, yep
[21:48] <MTecknology> ok
[21:49] <MTecknology> ntpdate won't update the bios clock, will it?
[21:49] <MTecknology> 12 Oct 15:49:25 ntpdate[8258]: adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -0.018734 sec
[21:50] <rtg> MTecknology, it won't if the clock is too far out of date
[21:51] <MTecknology> I'll stop doing an update and try it
[21:54] <SyL> is this a place I can ask for help on kernel panics on ubuntu 9.10?
[21:55] <MTecknology> rtg: it was spot on
[21:55] <rtg> MTecknology, you mean your BIOS clack was correct?
[21:55] <rtg> clock*
[21:56] <MTecknology> ya
[21:56] <rtg> MTecknology, hmm, I think Keybuk has been futzing about with some fsck type stuff.
[21:57] <MTecknology> Keybuk: ...... -_-
[21:57] <MTecknology> rtg: it's not because of the way I built it then?
[21:57] <MTecknology> I built it the same way I learned how in gentoo
[21:57] <rtg> MTecknology, does the original kernel do it?
[21:57] <MTecknology> no
[21:58] <rtg> what version is your original kernel?
[21:58] <rtg> cat /proc/version
[21:58] <MTecknology> 2.6.31-13-generic
[21:58] <Keybuk> MTecknology: yes?
[21:58] <MTecknology> Keybuk: rtg said it might be you breaking things
[21:59] <Keybuk> MTecknology: what's up?
[21:59] <MTecknology> rtg: Linux version 2.6.31-13-generic (buildd@yellow) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu7) ) #44-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 10 15:27:14 UTC 2009
[21:59] <rtg> Keybuk, we've both noticed some issues with fsck failing to run on first boot is the bios clock is behind the file system
[21:59] <Keybuk> failing to complete you mean?
[21:59] <rtg> Keybuk, no, won't even start. drops me to a shell
[21:59] <Keybuk> wah! unexpected inconsistency! sky is falling! etc.
[21:59] <Keybuk> right
[22:00] <rtg> known issue ?
[22:00] <Keybuk> yes, it's your fault
[22:00] <rtg> oh, I like that.
[22:00] <Keybuk> :D
[22:00] <Keybuk> tell me a bit about your setup?
[22:00] <Keybuk> installing into virtualbox?
[22:00] <rtg> no, bare metal.
[22:00] <MTecknology> same here
[22:01] <Keybuk> machine previously had Windows on it?
[22:01] <MTecknology> this had windows on it until I got home 2yr ago
[22:01] <rtg> no, it had Hardy. I was installing Karmic from scratch.
[22:01] <Keybuk> rtg: what did it have before Hardy?
[22:01] <rtg> dunno, I got it from Intel. its an SDP
[22:02] <rtg> the clock was 2 years behind.
[22:02] <Keybuk> what was the UTC setting on Hardy?
[22:02] <Keybuk> and, most importantly, what did the clock in the top-right say while you were installing?
[22:02] <Keybuk> two years?! :p
[22:02] <Keybuk> behind isn't usually an issue
[22:02] <rtg> Keybuk, I never noticed that it was so far behind until fsck wouldn't run.
[22:03] <MTecknology> Keybuk: i bought the system, got home, installed ubuntu - it came w/ vista
[22:03] <Keybuk> MTecknology: you wiped Vista?
[22:03] <MTecknology> the timeon this system was less than 1/10 second off
[22:03] <MTecknology> ya
[22:03] <MTecknology> i don't like raping computers
[22:03] <Keybuk> MTecknology: ok, so your bug is pretty simple
[22:03] <Keybuk> when you installed Ubuntu, you didn't notice that the clock in the top-right was actually N hours fast
[22:03] <Keybuk> (where N is the timezone offset between you and UTC)
[22:04] <MTecknology> I installed from the alternate cd
[22:04] <Keybuk> so you rebooted, and the "last mount" time of your filesystem was then in the future
[22:04] <Keybuk> you connected to a network (hi!)
[22:04] <MTecknology> my issue is....
[22:04] <Keybuk> and that resync'd your clock back to reality
[22:04] <Keybuk> and saved that time back into your hardware clock
[22:04] <Keybuk> then next time you rebooted, fsck failed because the last mount time was in the future
[22:04] <Keybuk> and dumped you to the world's least helpful shell
[22:05] <Keybuk> if you ran fsck -y like it DID NOT SAY then everything was fine
[22:05] <Keybuk> and now it won't happen again
[22:05] <Keybuk> the reason this happened is because Windows had the hardware clock in "local time"
[22:05] <Keybuk> but every other OS in the universe, including Ubuntu, puts UTC in the hardware clock
[22:06] <Keybuk> because anything else is INSANE
[22:06] <rtg> it would be helpful if ntpdate would correct for more then 3600 seconds (at least during install)
[22:06] <Keybuk> since you wiped Vista, the clever bit of the installer that checks for Windows and adjusts the configuration to use local time didn't see it
[22:06] <MTecknology> I pulled the kernel source, grabbed the config from /boot, compiled the kernel with that exact same config and installed using "make all modules_install install", When I tried to boot to the kernel I just compiled it hung on saying can not remove /forcefsck on read-only file system.
[22:06] <Keybuk> rtg: I believe that ntpdate will correct any amount of jump
[22:06] <MTecknology> I can't boot beyond that
[22:06] <Keybuk> MTecknology: what else is on screen?
[22:07] <MTecknology> i can't remember but I don't really know how to take a screenshot of that either.
[22:07] <Keybuk> MTecknology: a camera phone is ideal ;)
[22:07] <Keybuk> the forcefsck thing is an error caused by a previous error, the previous error is really important
[22:07] <MTecknology> not that phone - won't be able to read it
[22:07] <Keybuk> but I reckon you have the "I didn't make an initramfs for my custom kernel" bug
[22:08] <MTecknology> oh
[22:08] <rtg> fsck -y corrects the original problem?
[22:08] <MTecknology> probably..
[22:09] <Keybuk> rtg: I patched e2fsck today to always repair a future last mount/write/check time as long as it's no more than 24hr in the future
[22:09] <MTecknology> Keybuk: i didn't do that - so you're probably right..
[22:09] <Keybuk> I'm sure Ted will ignore that as long as possible, but the RH e2fsck maintainer has already said they want that patch
[22:09] <rtg> Keybuk, 24 hours being the normal Windoze correction factor?
[22:09] <Keybuk> MTecknology: I already have a fix for that, can you install packages on that box?
[22:10] <Keybuk> rtg: 24 hours being the most a clock can be out due to timezone error ;)
[22:10] <MTecknology> i hope I can..
[22:10] <rtg> Keybuk, right
[22:10] <MTecknology> Keybuk: I only have one system
[22:11] <Keybuk> MTecknology: and you're testing development releases on it? :)  Brave man
[22:11] <Keybuk> even I don't do that <g>
[22:11] <MTecknology> I learned gentoo on this thing over a weekend :P
[22:11] <lifeless> Keybuk: 26 hours I think
[22:11] <MTecknology> I ran 9.10 on this thing back around 9.05
[22:11] <lifeless> Keybuk: there is some weird corner case overlap - the world is > 24 hours around :)
[22:12] <Keybuk> lifeless: no, this is only relative to UTC remember
[22:12] <Keybuk> so it's actually +/- 13.5 hours or something
[22:12] <Keybuk> but 24 is easier to remember the number of seconds for <g>
[22:12] <lifeless> Keybuk: right, -13 to +13 == 26 ;)
[22:12] <MTecknology> Keybuk: so - how do I get that fix?
[22:12] <MTecknology> 13?
[22:13] <Keybuk> MTecknology: it will take the buildds a few minutes
[22:13] <Keybuk> MTecknology: daylight savings in sheepland
[22:13] <Keybuk> type thing
[22:13] <MTecknology> i'm confused!
[22:13] <MTecknology> oh
[22:13] <MTecknology> i hate dst...
[22:13] <lifeless> MTecknology: +12 + DST
[22:14] <MTecknology> Is this part really needed? "apt-get build-dep linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)"
[22:14] <lifeless> ah
[22:14] <lifeless> tonga is +13
[22:14] <MTecknology> most things in there shouldn't be needed to build the kernel..
[22:14] <lifeless> without needing DST
[22:14]  * rtg is outta here for the day
[22:15] <lifeless> and the line islands at +14
[22:15] <lifeless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone
[22:15] <lifeless> -11 to +14 is the largest gap w/out DST considerations
[22:16] <MTecknology> ah.. I see - that's the "ubuntu way" to compile the kernel
[22:17] <MTecknology> Is there anything wrong with using linux-source?
[22:17] <MTecknology> Keybuk: will I still need your patch for that?
[22:17] <Keybuk> linux-source is the kernel source
[22:17] <Keybuk> I think everyone builds from GIT though
[22:17] <Keybuk> MTecknology: are you on i386 or amd64?
[22:18] <MTecknology> amd64
[22:18] <lifeless> linux-source is fine for rolling a custom kernel; if you're working on the kernel packages for ubuntu, you need the kernel package source
[22:20] <MTecknology> so if I'm just going to roll out my own - then use git to get the kernel source - otherwise use the ubuntu kernel package?
[22:21] <Keybuk> oh, it failed to build
[22:21] <Keybuk> lifeless: that is the kernel package source ;)
[22:22] <Keybuk> MTecknology: I may need a few more minutes at this ;)
[22:23] <MTecknology> Keybuk: ok - can you explain the parts that matter to me?
[22:23] <Keybuk> MTecknology: is the machine on a wired network interface?
[22:23] <MTecknology> wireless
[22:23] <Keybuk> can you plug it into a wire?
[22:24] <Keybuk> if not, does your wireless use WPA?
[22:24] <MTecknology> ya
[22:24] <Keybuk> or can you boot the kernel that you didn't make?
[22:24] <MTecknology> I'm in that
[22:24] <Keybuk> ah great
[22:24] <MTecknology> the kernel I made won't boot and I just wiped it
[22:25] <MTecknology> I'm just trying to trim down the extra junk in the kernel that I don't need
[22:26] <MTecknology> like XFS support - I don't need it and this laptop never will
[22:27] <Keybuk> ahh
[22:27] <Keybuk> you know that we don't build in XFS support, right? :)
[22:27] <Darxus> Hah.
[22:28] <MTecknology> it was in there..
[22:28] <MTecknology> in the config in /boot
[22:28] <MTecknology> CONFIG_XFS_FS=m
[22:28] <Keybuk> that means it's a module
[22:28] <MTecknology> build in as a module
[22:29] <Darxus> MTecknology: There is something very important here you don't understand.
[22:29] <MTecknology> I did say like though - there's a lot I'd like to knock out - I want to try to get a 10sec boot on this system
[22:29] <MTecknology> Darxus: what's that?
[22:29] <Darxus> MTecknology: Stuff built as a module that you don't use never gets loaded.  So changing it from a module to not being compiled at all gains you nothing (except compile time).,
[22:30] <MTecknology> i get that
[22:30] <MTecknology> when I'm looking at menuconfig again I can pick out some other things
[22:31] <MTecknology> I'm not saying that I think the ubuntu kernel is wrong - I'm just a glutton for punishment - and breaking things is fun
[22:31] <MTecknology> but when I use the exact same config to compile it and it breaks - I get confused
[22:33] <Darxus> Ah, well, are you using the source package that builds the linux-image packages, or the linux-source package?
[22:34] <MTecknology> linux-image
[22:34] <Darxus> Hmm, weird.
[22:34] <MTecknology> I'm pulling the git source now
[22:35] <MTecknology> does that have a default .config in it?
[22:35] <Darxus> MTecknology: Yes, in pieces.
[22:35] <MTecknology> that last part makes me want to ask for additional information
[22:35] <Darxus> cat debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu debian.master/config/i386/config.common.i386 debian.master/config/i386/config.flavour.generic > .config
[22:36] <Darxus> That'll get you an i386 generic .config.
[22:36] <MTecknology> interesting..
[22:36] <Darxus> You're likely to be able to extrapolate the other possibilites.
[22:37] <MTecknology> you mean like debian.master/config/i386/config.common.i386.iwant.amd64.instead ??
[22:37] <MTecknology> :P
[22:37] <Darxus> Ha.
[22:37] <Darxus> find . -name "*config*" will show you your options.
[22:38] <MTecknology> Receiving objects:   2% (33347/1335407), 9.20 MiB | 59 KiB/s
[22:38] <MTecknology> this is going to take a while
[22:38] <Darxus> Heh.
[22:39] <Darxus> Have you run the thing to pick an optimal mirror?
[22:39] <MTecknology> nope
[22:39] <MTecknology> what's that?
[22:39] <Darxus> I recommend it.
[22:39] <Keybuk> I didn't think we have mirrors of our kernel source
[22:39] <MTecknology> should I do this as a normal user and make a copy of the source to work on?
[22:40] <Darxus> In one of the ubuntu gui package management things, theres a place where you can specify your mirror, and there's an option to select "other" or something, and then "select optimal mirror" and it pings them all or something.
[22:40] <MTecknology> Darxus: I'm pulling from git though
[22:40] <Darxus> Keybuk: Why wouldn't the kernel be included in the mirrors.... ohh, get, nevermind.
[22:40] <MTecknology> my university just throttles to 60K
[22:40] <Darxus> er, git
[22:40] <Darxus> Ew.
[22:40] <Keybuk> MTecknology: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-boot/+archive/ppa/+build/1289150/+files/mountall_0.2.2~boot2_amd64.deb
[22:40] <MTecknology> should I do this as a normal user and make a copy of the source to work on?
[22:41] <Keybuk> if you install that, hopefully you could boot custom kernels ;)
[22:41] <MTecknology> or will I be making my .config in the krepo
[22:41] <MTecknology> Keybuk: how long until that makes it into karmic?
[22:42] <MTecknology> and it's installed :)
[22:43] <Keybuk> MTecknology: depends how long it takes me to watch the rest of FlashForward without interruptions
[22:43] <Keybuk> and apply a couple more bug fixes after that <g>
[22:43] <MTecknology> oh
[22:44] <MTecknology> hm... sounds like it makes more sense to make a copy of the part of the git branch that I want instead of working inside it
[23:02] <Womble2> Which package is the aufs2 source in?
[23:03] <jjohansen> Womble2: its under the ubuntu dir in the kernel tree
[23:03] <Womble2> OK
[23:07] <otay> I want to connect two qemu quests via serial connection so I can do some debugging. Does anybody have any idea how to do this?
[23:14] <MTecknology> Keybuk: do I want to do "git checkout Ubuntu-2.6.31-13.44" ?
[23:27] <MTecknology> How long does it take you guys to compile the ubuntu stock kernel>
[23:46] <mase_wk> MTecknology: that depends entirely on the machine you use to do it
[23:46] <MTecknology> mase_wk: ya - I was just curious
[23:46] <MTecknology> what kind of system do you have and how long does it take?
[23:48] <MTecknology> I should use concurrency next time
[23:48] <mase_wk> i have an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ , i usually compile under a clean VM environment though so it takes about 1/2 a day
[23:48] <MTecknology> to compile the ubuntu kernel?
[23:49] <mase_wk> well last time it was a kernel.org kernel
[23:49] <MTecknology> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7250  @ 2.00GHz
[23:49] <MTecknology> only seems to take a couple hours for me
[23:50] <mase_wk> well i am doing mine on a VM too
[23:50] <mase_wk> virtualbox at that so its not something speedy like xen
[23:51] <mase_wk> if you want to speed up your time you can disable many of the modules that you don't need
[23:51] <mase_wk> if you are never going to have a SAN then you can remove all of the drivers / files systems associated with that etc..
[23:53] <MTecknology> that's part of the reason I'm doing this :P
[23:54] <mase_wk> your compiling a kernel because you want to reduce your compile time ?
[23:54] <mase_wk> =)
[23:54] <MTecknology> no - because I want to trim it down
[23:55] <MTecknology> loading the kernel is ~75% of my boot time
[23:55] <mase_wk> i doubt that
[23:55] <mase_wk> how big is your kernel ?
[23:55] <MTecknology> default
[23:55] <MTecknology> right now I have yet to actually compile a kernel that works
[23:55] <MTecknology> in ubuntu anyway
[23:56] <mase_wk> mine is 3.8mb
[23:56] <mase_wk> if you have trouble loading 3.8mb at boot you have other issues
[23:56] <MTecknology> 7.3Minitrd.img-2.6.31-13-generic
[23:56] <mase_wk> thats not the kernel
[23:56] <mase_wk> thats the initrd
[23:57] <mase_wk> you don't have to remake the kernel to remake the initrd
[23:57] <MTecknology> ** 3.8Mvmlinuz-2.6.31-13-generic
[23:57] <mase_wk> you can just remove modules from the initrd
[23:58] <MTecknology> how do I do that?
[23:58] <mase_wk> mkinitrd
[23:58] <mase_wk> you can specify which modules you want to include
[23:58] <MTecknology> thanks