[00:01] <valorie> oh, ffe question to sgclark, yofel and clivejo
[00:02] <yofel> she did file one
[00:02] <valorie> and please check the text of that page https://community.kde.org/index.php?title=Plasma/InstallingNext and see that it is correct
[00:02] <yofel> I don't think there has been a release-team response yet
[00:02] <valorie> cool
[00:34] <sgclark> only activity on my ffe is it was escalated to critical
[09:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:47] <clivejo> anyone experiencing display related problems in xenial?
[11:56] <mamarley> clivejo: What type of problems?
[11:57] <clivejo> display freezing for no reason
[11:58] <mamarley> Nope, I haven't seen any of that.  What GPU do you have?
[11:59] <clivejo> Nvidia
[11:59] <clivejo> only started recently
[11:59] <clivejo> is there a new QT in the archive
[12:00] <mamarley> I think there have been a few updates not too long ago to backport various patches since we can't have 5.6.
[12:09] <clivejo> something was changed
[12:10] <clivejo> system feels a bit sluggish too
[12:11] <soee> clivejo: im on nvidia profile and all works pretty nice
[12:11] <clivejo> on xenial?
[12:11] <soee> system freezez only if i want to boot with hdmi cable connected
[12:11] <soee> clivejo: yes
[12:12] <soee> basically there are problems with connecting other device liek TV through hdmi
[12:12] <clivejo> have you updated recently?
[12:14] <soee> i am always on latest updates http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/23/snapshot66.png
[12:15] <clivejo> same versions as mine
[12:15] <soee> clivejo: are you ging to build new frameworks ?
[12:16] <soee> if we are stuck with apps anyway
[12:16] <clivejo> soee: nope, Ive been asked to hold off
[12:16] <soee> why ?
[12:16] <clivejo> try to get apps finished
[12:16] <clivejo> Feature Freeze I believe
[12:17] <soee> yofel: we can't put frameworks to staging ppa so they start building ?
[12:18] <yofel> if someone has nothing else to do right now, sure. Otherwise that's like bottom priority
[12:18] <clivejo> I have the sources built locally
[12:19] <clivejo> and was in the middle of a debian merge
[12:19] <clivejo> then I went to try and get libkolab fixed to try and fix PIM
[12:19] <soee> yofel: o, thank you :)
[12:19] <clivejo> but its beyond my skills I think
[12:20] <soee> clivejo: so if you find few minutes some day, you could upload frameworks :)
[12:20] <yofel> we're at a point where we need to cut down stuff and get things done
[12:20] <yofel> if kolab is too complex, kick it out of pim
[12:20] <yofel> if people ask for it we can provide a ppa version
[12:21] <clivejo> I just dont understand it enough
[12:21] <clivejo> but Im trying to learn
[12:21] <clivejo> yofel: do you know what package provides KDE calendar support ?
[12:21] <yofel> no
[12:22] <yofel> my first guess would be PIM
[12:22] <soee> i think it is like ~ 1 week till Plasma 5.6 beta :)
[12:22] <clivejo> Kolab's OBS is using libcalendering, which apparently  is a "frankenstein" package of kdepimlibs for headless servers
[12:23] <clivejo> soee: Xenial is an LTS, we have to put effort into getting a good stable release
[12:24] <soee> clivejo: i know and that is why i think it should use Plasma 5.6 but sadly we can't i think
[12:26] <yofel> right, not going to happen
[12:28] <soee> yofel: can't we have some ppa that will be enabled by default for users, and put there important updates (like Plasma 5.6) so there is no need adding backports manually ?
[12:28] <yofel> no. No software in the archive may add PPAs (that's why ubuntu-tweak never got accepted)
[12:28] <yofel> and official flavors may not have PPAs enabled by default
[12:29] <soee> a lot of users have no idea that there is something like backports ppa with newer and probably more stable/with more bugfixes  packages
[12:29] <yofel> if they have no idea how to do basic package management, then they should not use backports
[12:29] <yofel> that would require a completely different QA level for our backports
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:32] <blaze> Qt 5.6 will be released around 12-15 of March. Is there any chance for 5.6 to be packaged for xenial?
[13:36] <yofel> not for the official release
[13:36] <yofel> some PPA will have it eventually
[14:03] <blaze> too bad, as it is lts Qt release it belongs to lts ubuntu
[15:06] <sgclark> sitter: seems you have a new epoch test. this is lovely except that we have a problem when we have an epoch and debian does not. AFAIK we cannot drop this epoch. Please see kdenlive as  an example. Thank you.
[15:08] <sitter> apparently my mail did not get moderated
[15:08] <sitter> lovely
[15:08] <sitter> sgclark: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/neon/2016-February/000031.html
[15:08] <sgclark> yofel: sadly kolab is required for kdepim-runtime
[15:09] <sitter> sgclark: in particular that kdenlive build is attempting to upload no epoch while previously it uploaded epoch 4
[15:09] <sitter> that requires human intervention
[15:09] <yofel> blaze: well, then they should've released Qt early enough so it can be used in the LTS. March is far too late
[15:09] <sitter> if the previous epoch was wrong then the ppas need to get cleaned accordingly and the workspace needs to get wiped
[15:10] <sgclark> the latest version has an epoch
[15:10] <sitter> ah yes, it was no epoch to epoch 4
[15:10] <yofel> sgclark: the latest version?
[15:10] <yofel> or is what we have enough?
[15:10] <sitter> so yeah
[15:10] <sitter> sgclark: wipe workspace
[15:10] <yofel> and is it really hard required?
[15:10] <sgclark> ugh not enough coffee for two conversations.
[15:10] <yofel> XD
[15:11] <yofel> I'm busy anyway, ping me when you have time
[15:12] <sgclark> sitter: kdenlive the only epoch diff I see is debian does not have one and we do, all ours have it , none of theirs.
[15:12] <sgclark> yofel: kdepim-runtime will not build without the latest kolab
[15:12] <sgclark> now he should be able to just remove libcalendaring from the deps and build without I would think
[15:13] <sitter> nono
[15:13] <sitter> the first time around I got it right
[15:13] <sitter> sgclark: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kdenlive/ws/packaging/debian/changelog/*view*/
[15:13] <sitter> this has no epoch
[15:14] <sgclark> sitter: that was my mistake. but archive has epoch I had toadd it back
[15:14] <sgclark> it will never publish >.<
[15:14] <sitter> that's not what it complains about
[15:14] <yofel> the changelog order is rather messed up..
[15:15] <sitter> "4 ->  "
[15:15] <sitter> it had an epoch of 4
[15:15] <sitter> the lastest build attempts to have no epoch
[15:15] <yofel> the changelog without epoch shouldn't exist, and the other one should be at the top
[15:15] <sitter> i.e. that'd be an epoch downgrade
[15:15] <sitter> and that's why the build fails
[15:15] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdenlive.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_stable
[15:16] <sitter> see line 22 had an epoch. that's the last successful integration supposedly. line 1 doesn't have an epoch anymore.
[15:20] <sgclark> oh. that does not at all match. I have made many commit since then.
[15:22] <sitter> sgclark: in unstable
[15:22] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdenlive.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[15:22] <sitter> xenial_archive and stable are broken still
[15:22] <sgclark> I am aware that I sccrewed up my changelog. I have fixed it though. god only knows where the hell my commits went
[15:22] <sitter> maybe you forgot to push? (:
[15:23] <sgclark> notifying CI ...
[15:23] <sgclark> good grief, I need more coffee
[15:29] <sgclark> ugh I was working in unstable branch.
[15:30] <sgclark> fixing
[15:41] <sgclark> or not. I no longer can push. permission denied.
[17:13] <sgclark> cannot find source file?! dunno how to fix that..
[17:14] <sgclark> anyway my mess with epoch is sorted, thanks for your help sitter
[17:44] <sgclark> uh
[20:04] <soee> LO 5.1 in updates
[20:05] <clivejo> LO?
[20:05] <lordievader> Libre Office.
[20:06] <clivejo> ah
[20:11] <BluesKaj> I should dump libre -office , never had occasion to use it for anything
[20:42] <snele> so when are plasma 5.5 and other updates expected to land to main repo?
[20:43] <snele> btw I can confirm that installer bug is fixed (but lp bug report is not updated for weeks)
[21:04] <ahoneybun> any 16.04 dailies working?
[21:05] <snele> ahoneybun: todays daily works
[21:05] <ahoneybun> cool
[21:05] <clivejo> snele: do you know who fixed the installer?
[21:06] <snele> clivejo: I don't know. Bug report isn't updated
[22:16] <clivejo> sgclark: ping
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: pong
[22:16] <clivejo> hi :)
[22:16] <sgclark> hpwdy
[22:16] <sgclark> err
[22:17] <sgclark> howdy
[22:17] <clivejo> so I been researching this libkolab package
[22:17] <clivejo> apparently libcalendaring is a hack to get it to install on a headless server
[22:18] <clivejo> and on client side it needs built against kdepim
[22:18] <clivejo> I think Ive got it to build successfully on KCI
[22:19] <clivejo> could you try using it in PIM in apps 15.12.1?
[22:19] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/9055237
[22:20] <sgclark> clivejo: can you copy the package to the ppa and rebuild kdepim-runtime? caught me at a bad time I am busy with other commitments.
[22:21] <clivejo> I copied libcalendaring, but found out since about it being a hack
[22:21] <clivejo> will do
[22:21] <sgclark> thanks!
[22:21] <clivejo> just copy the KCI build?
[22:21] <sgclark> yeah that should work
[22:22] <clivejo> ok done
[22:23] <clivejo> Ill delete libcalendaring while Im at it
[22:37] <ahoneybun> wow I'm get like 3-10 hour ETA for the Beta 1 download
[22:38] <valorie> we have a beta one?
[22:38] <valorie> we have no announcement.....
[22:38] <clivejo> didnt we opt out?
[22:39] <ahoneybun> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds
[22:40] <valorie> of the alphas we did
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I'm not waiting 17 hours lol
[22:40] <valorie> right, I know that we have images in the qatracker
[22:41] <valorie> but since we're not done, ....
[22:41] <ahoneybun> right
[22:41] <valorie> where are our packagers!
[22:41] <ahoneybun> I've just been out of the loop
[22:41] <valorie> we're working our few to an early death
[22:41] <valorie> we're trying to finish applications, and perhaps slide the latest frameworks in
[22:41] <valorie> if possible
[22:42] <valorie> as I understand it
[22:42] <clivejo> valorie: yofel rules that out earlier
[22:42] <valorie> clivejo it tearing his peace of mind apart trying to fix PIM
[22:42] <valorie> ah, boo
[22:42] <clivejo> ruled
[22:42] <valorie> well
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I'm tempted to install Kubuntu back on my laptop again
[22:43] <yofel> I didn't really opt-out of beta1 this time - it might be worth to at least get ubiquity tested
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I just don't know how the Ubuntu SDK will act
[22:43] <yofel> though I doubt it makes sense to release it
[22:43] <sgclark> wait what I have been working on pim
[22:44] <sgclark> but our ffe has not even been approved
[22:44] <sgclark> so we have absolutely nothing new in beta
[22:44] <valorie> oooo, sorry sgclark
[22:44] <clivejo> valorie: I been trying to understand kolab stuff
[22:44] <sgclark> whatevs
[22:44] <yofel> valorie: beta is candidate images btw. potential release is on friday IIRC
[22:44] <clivejo> PIM is beyond me
[22:44] <valorie> they are both PIMish, right?
[22:45] <clivejo> its a very small part of PIM
[22:45] <valorie> ah, got it
[22:45] <sgclark> pim depends on kolab nothing more
[22:45] <clivejo> but something I use a lot
[22:45] <sgclark> I don't recall kolab being such a pain, sorry clivejo :(
[22:45] <valorie> so perhaps beta2 will be useful for us and something we should work towards?
[22:46] <clivejo> sgclark: did you remove the build dep on libkolab?
[22:46] <valorie> if our FFE is passed
[22:46] <sgclark> clivejo: I did not
[22:47] <clivejo> do you happen to know if the build dep is on libkolab2 or libkolab-dev?
[22:47] <sgclark> dev
[22:47] <clivejo> need to add that back in
[22:47] <sgclark> I did not remove anything..
[22:47] <clivejo> I think debian must have removed it
[22:48] <yofel> how did they remove it if it's required?
[22:48] <sgclark> ah, there is that possibility. you did that merge :) feel free to add it back in..
[22:48] <sgclark> good question yofel
[22:49] <sgclark> yofel: did you have time to look at my note in ninjas pad?
[22:49] <sgclark> err notes
[22:49] <yofel> no sorry.
[22:50] <sgclark> okies
[23:19] <mparillo> yofel: ahoneybun: As far as Beta goes, yesterday I grabbed a daily and successfully installed to a VM.
[23:20] <mparillo> So, Ubiquity is no longer broken, though the bug I though was the root cause is not closed yet.
[23:20] <mparillo> At least for me ;-)
[23:20] <yofel> well, progress. There seem to be more bugs in ubiquity according to #ubuntu-quality
[23:22] <mparillo> Oh, I do not mean there are zero bugs, just that it is no longer hopelessly broken.
[23:22] <yofel> right, thanks a lot for verifying that!
[23:24] <mparillo> I will grab another daily tomorrow morning.
[23:25] <mparillo> In 18 hours or so.
[23:26] <valorie> \o/
[23:26] <valorie> that will be so useful for our testers
[23:26] <valorie> when we're ready for them


[00:27] <jappie> My usb headset freezes up my entire system (Lucid ubuntu + edubuntu 10.04 on aspireone), when I plug it in, I have to do a hard restart everytime. Also when I try to start up with my usb headset already in place, it freezes at the logo and I have to do a hard restart also. Any solutions?
[00:30] <ibuclaw> jappie, what type of headset?
[00:33] <ibuclaw> jappie, you can get system logs from /var/log/messages
[00:33] <jappie> ibuclaw, Logitech A-00008
[00:33] <ibuclaw> and you can also try boot into recovery mode with the device plugged in.
[00:34] <ibuclaw> (system messages are all printed to the screen when you select that boot option, so if anything goes wrong, you'll be able to see/record it)
[00:35] <jappie> ibuclaw, I am at /var/log/messages, what do I look for?
[00:35] <ibuclaw> also, there should never really be a need to hard restart your system.
[00:36] <ibuclaw> if at a console prompt, Ctrl+Alt+Del should work.
[00:36] <jappie> My screen goes grey and everything freezes. I waited at least 10-15 min and nothing...
[00:36] <ibuclaw> if the freeze is a little more nested in, then you have RESIUB
[00:37] <jappie> checkin up on RESIUB....
[00:37] <ibuclaw> while holding down Alt+PrintScreen, press the keys: R E I S U B
[00:38] <jappie> yeap...see it. Nice!
[00:38] <ibuclaw> R->raw input.   S->sync all disk devices. U->unmount all disk devices. B->reboot.
[00:39] <ibuclaw> jappie, just remember 'Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring'
[00:39] <jappie> lol
[00:40] <ibuclaw> jappie, anyway, could you pastebin the log file?
[00:40] <ibuclaw> I wouldn't know what to look for unless I see it.
[00:41] <jappie> Yes, but where/ how do I pastebin?
[00:41] <ibuclaw> http://pastebin.com/
[00:41] <ibuclaw> is there a bot in the channel?
[00:41] <ibuclaw> !paste
[00:41] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[00:43] <jappie> http://pastebin.com/vm7WXxB4
[00:43] <jappie> ibuclaw, thanks for ur patience!
[00:51] <ibuclaw> jappie, do you have alsa backports modules install by any chance?
[00:53] <ibuclaw> In System->Admin->Synaptic
[00:53] <ibuclaw> search for: linux-backports-modules-alsa
[00:54] <jappie> will take a look...
[00:56] <jappie> yes there are couple of version installed
[00:56] <ibuclaw> you should see something like this: http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8764/screenshot2az.png
[00:57] <jappie> yes
[00:57] <ibuclaw> jappie, try uninstalling them and reboot.
[00:58] <ibuclaw> then see if the headset is still giving you trouble afterwards
[00:58] <jappie> all of them?
[00:58] <ibuclaw> jappie, how many are there?
[00:59] <ibuclaw> (there should only be 2 installed by my count)
[01:00] <jappie> I have versions:  version <IP_ADDRESS>,  version <IP_ADDRESS> and  version <IP_ADDRESS> installed
[01:00] <ibuclaw> heh. someone needs a spring cleaning...
[01:01] <jappie> and also linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic
[01:01] <ibuclaw> jappie, so long as they start with "linux-backports-modules-alsa" - yes, remove them. :-)
[01:01] <ibuclaw> they are optional addon modules, and not required for operation of your system.
[01:02] <stlsaint> woot... ibuclaw in help channel! :D
[01:02] <jappie> ok will do, restart, test and come back here to to let u know...thanxxx in advanced!
[01:02] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, a rarity, I know.
[01:02] <stlsaint> lol
[01:02] <ibuclaw> you should feel privileged
[01:02] <stlsaint> they should
[01:03] <ibuclaw> o\-<
[01:03] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: your like paid customer support round here
[01:03] <ibuclaw> o|-<
[01:03] <ibuclaw> o/-<
[01:03] <ibuclaw> ;_;
[01:03] <ibuclaw> except without the money
[01:03] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: true
[01:03] <ibuclaw> >-/D:
[01:03] <ibuclaw> >-|D:
[01:04] <ibuclaw> >-\D:
[01:05] <aveilleux> I like your dance.
[01:16] <ibuclaw> >:O\-<
[01:16] <ibuclaw> >:O|-<
[01:16] <ibuclaw> >:O/-<
[01:17] <stlsaint> yep, hes a weird one
[01:17] <ibuclaw> http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
[01:25] <jappie> Hi ibuclaw, So that kind of worked. No more freezing, but no sound so far. I checked some settings in Pulseaudio but didn't really work with skype tst call
[01:26] <ibuclaw> bug #618155
[01:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 618155 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel 2.6.32-24 usb audio device causes cpu lockup (affects: 1) (heat: 73)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618155
[01:29] <ibuclaw> jappie, not sure about skype. Might have to ask someone else about that. Though it usually requires a bit of chicanery to get things up regardless of the device you are using.
[01:30] <ibuclaw> (or so I've heard)
[01:30] <aveilleux> Skype works fine for me
[01:30] <aveilleux> I don't use USB devices, though.
[01:31] <jappie> beside the usb headset, skype works fine...
[01:31] <jappie> brb
[01:56] <jappie> back...
[01:57] <stlsaint> jappie: welcome back
[01:58] <jappie> Ibuclaw, I have it working,. I needed to select the usb in volume control. It then worked with with most apps, except for skype. I needed to quit skype and restart, so now it si working. Thanx for the help! ...And everbody else as well1!
[02:20] <HorseloverFrost> Hello, I'm in need of some help. I'm trying to set up a dual boot OSX/Ubuntu on my Mac Pro with the two OSes on separate disks (Bay #1 OSX Bay #2 Ubuntu). I've tried using three different install procedures found on the web but still have not managed to get a bootable Ubuntu installation. After startup and selecting the linux install with rEFIt I get the penguin logo for a few seconds and then a black screen
[02:20] <HorseloverFrost> indefinitely.
[02:22] <HorseloverFrost> Also, on my first try I accidently installed the boot loader on my OSX disk. OSX still boots, but a phantom linux installation shows up on startup. Is there any way to get rid of it?
[05:42] <rougeleaf> Where can I find help for installing a driver for a usb wifi card?
[05:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> !usb
[05:48] <ubot2> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[05:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> :o
[05:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> Not that :/
[05:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> rougeleaf: Identify your driver at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:57] <rougeleaf> Most of the links here are broken  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73?highlight=%28ManufacturerModel%29|%28AND%29
[06:00] <rougeleaf> When I try using the files via the manufacture, the make files out errors and I am not complete
[06:38] <saji89> exit
[06:45] <kaushal> hi
[06:45] <kaushal> can someone please guide me about fcron ?
[06:46] <aveilleux> http://fcron.free.fr/doc/en/ << this may be a good place to start
[06:48] <kaushal> aveilleux: Thanks
[06:49] <kaushal> basically i need to edit the subject line
[06:49] <kaushal> I dont see anything in /etc/fcron.conf
[06:50] <kaushal> I mean is there a way to check the email receipients
[08:37] <duanedesign> morning all
[08:56] <Puck`> good morning team
[08:56] <Puck`> anyone around? (:
[08:57] <Puck`> how do we start a script file with crontab if it's in a folder? /folder/./script.sh doesn't work :\
[09:02] <geirha> Like that, or just /folder/script.sh  I suspect it's running it, but it fails for other reasons.
[09:04] <Puck`> yeah, i got the error now
[09:04] <Puck`> thanks for the help geirha (:
[09:04] <geirha> It's a bad practice to put extensions on scripts btw
[09:05] <aveilleux> It is?
[09:06] <geirha> If you in the future find that the script is better written in another language, like python or php or whatever, you'll have to rename the script. If you don't have the extension, you only need to replace the file content.
[09:06] <geirha> You run grep as grep, not grep.elf
[09:07] <geirha> You'll find that most scripts in Ubuntu doesn't have extensions either
[09:10] <geirha> file /usr/bin/* | fgrep 'shell script'
[11:21] <AbhiJit> hi
[11:22] <duanedesign> hello AbhiJit
[11:22] <AbhiJit> :)
[11:22] <duanedesign> :)
[11:42] <mR0> can I enabling an equalizer on moc player?
[12:03] <duanedesign> hello mR0
[12:03] <duanedesign> mR0: glad to see someone else who uses moc
[12:05] <mR0> duanedisign: nice 2 c u again, is possible to use equalizer on moc?
[12:09] <mR0> duanedesign?
[12:11] <duanedesign> mR0: hmm
[12:11] <duanedesign> i am looking
[12:11] <duanedesign> I thought it was Shift-e
[12:12] <mR0> duanedesign: yes but how to set it up? :P
[12:21] <duanedesign> mR0: this should be made more clear in the readme. You can find this information under '3. Preset format'. Just put the presets in $HOME/.moc/eqsets and you are setup.
[12:23] <mR0> i'll try & feedback here
[12:25] <mR0> duanedesign where I can find it?
[12:29] <duanedesign> http://paste.ubuntu.com/506419/
[12:30] <duanedesign> mR0: I found that but it was in the 2.5 version source code
[12:30] <mR0> Im looking
[12:33] <duanedesign> according that you create a directory $HOME/.moc/eqsets/  and put the preset files in there
[12:35] <raubvogel> If I am sending stuff to a central snmp server do I need the snmp or the snmpd package in my desktop?
[12:38] <Daid> hello
[12:38] <mR0> Im trying
[12:44] <Daid> well, I'll try just asking.  I guess I'm GNOMe, and I've made the taskbar/dock disappear. I can't get it back....any suggestions?
[12:58] <mR0> Daid, reboot ur system
[12:58] <mR0> duanedesign?
[12:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> Daid: Which one?  That will do it mR0 :)
[13:10] <mR0> yes I got it
[13:11] <Daid>   Thanks IAmNotThatGuy
[13:11] <Daid> you're my heeeeeeeeeeeeero :P
[13:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> Daid: it worked?
[13:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol :P
[13:11] <Daid> Yup, thanks
[13:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> Daid: IAmNotThatGuy
[13:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> :P
[13:12] <Daid> I was off doing other things, forgot I was in here
[13:12] <Daid> thanks for the help, I appreciate it.  Now I have school research to do
[13:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> no worries (: and sorry for pinging in Pm
[13:12] <Daid> It's ok :)
[13:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> good luck Daid (:
[13:12] <Daid> Thanks again
[13:58] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[13:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> Welcome back Silver_Fox_ =)
[13:59] <Silver_Fox_> Hello IAmNotThatGuy
[13:59] <Silver_Fox_> Keeping well ?
[13:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> Yeah... doing good and how about ya?
[13:59] <Silver_Fox_> Not bad at all thank you.
[13:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> (:
[14:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okay I am going for a mountain temple... Will bbl all o/
[14:33] <Akew> i can't see medibuntu respratory in software centre
[14:34] <Akew> i've done exactly as on their website
[14:39] <raubvogel> apache question: do I have to have a 000-default site in sites-enabled or I can just have links to the sites in sites-available?
[14:51] <dengaku_sco> does anyone know a way to install adobe Flash or anything Flash substitute on Ubuntu desktop?
[14:52] <AbhiJit> !flash | dengaku_sco
[14:52] <ubot2> dengaku_sco: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:52] <Silver_Fox_> dengaku_sco,  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[15:18] <dengaku_sco> it work! thank you
[15:18] <dengaku_sco> worked*
[17:49] <sujiths80> hi each time when I loginto ubuntu ..asking for password in keyreg window...how can I remove this
[17:52] <aveilleux> Impatience...
[17:53] <zkriesse> aveilleux: He/she joined -wiki and asked there as well
[17:53] <aveilleux> W-why -wiki..?
[17:53] <zkriesse> exactly
[17:55] <AndrewMC> well he/she still exists on the network perhaps i should message him/her to try #ubuntu
[18:02] <hobgoblin> I'd let them stew
[18:02] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Hey man~
[18:03] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Gonna rejoin us or what?
[18:03] <hobgoblin> rejoin what ?
[18:03] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: The team
[18:03] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: if you mean BT only if I can get voiced
[18:04] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: I don't see why they wouldn't
[18:04] <hobgoblin> I don't see why they didn't :)
[18:04] <hobgoblin> I did rejoin - a week or so ago
[18:05] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: forestpixie has +VA
[18:05] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: yay -  must have joined then lol
[18:06] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: lol
[18:06] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: welcome back man...
[18:06] <zkriesse> :D
[18:06] <hobgoblin> tyy zkriesse
[18:07] <zkriesse> G'day sardonyx
[18:07] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Hey you're into wiki right?
[18:07] <zkriesse> Or rather are you
[18:08] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: not enough to get involved in it after the last aborted attempt - I am 'into' helping beginners ;)
[18:10] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Oh ok...i was going to invite ya to join #ubuntu-beginners-wiki if you'd like to get involved/help me with a project
[18:11] <hobgoblin> thanks for the offer, it's unlikely I will do that - but there is always the future
[18:11] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: k...
[18:12] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Oh and Im running another Ubuntu Team if you'd like to help teach youths how to get involved in ubuntu community PROPERLY
[18:12] <hobgoblin> do I get a cane?
[18:13] <zkriesse> Of course
[18:13] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:13] <zkriesse> #ubuntu-youth if you're interested
[18:13] <zkriesse> Oh and if you really wanna help lead #ubuntu-youth-council
[18:13] <hobgoblin> I have heard of it
[18:13] <hobgoblin> mmmm - possibly
[18:14] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: It's way better off since I took charge...not as dead as it was
[18:29] <zank> Hi, i have a windows xp desktop machine nad after getting virus's one too many times despite all precautions i want to try ubuntu, the 10.10 hopefully coming out soon
[18:30] <zank> the problem is that right now my xp machine is used as basically a remote media machne machine with no keyboard or monitor, has a vnc client, and has some serious virus on it
[18:33] <zank> so basically i want a method to be able to put ubuntu on a bootable dvd or usb drive, and reboot compute and for it to wipe everything on my system, and install the ubuntu system, with a vnc server
[18:33] <zank> as in on first boot it should launch the vnc server
[18:33] <zank> is this possible?
[18:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> zank: you can alter the boot priority and idk about vnc servers
[18:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> buy you can alter the boot menu
[18:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> s/buy/but
[18:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hola hobgoblin (: Forget Zach. Hes mad. so that he is not watching the voice on ya ;)
[18:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> wb geekosopher. done with dinner?
[18:50] <geekosopher> IAmNotThatGuy: yo!
[18:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> geekosopher: I was in an LUG meet here. And what's up?
[18:51] <an1> IAmNotThatGuy: propogating this channel :P
[18:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> W00T? ?_?
[18:51] <geekosopher> IAmNotThatGuy: where?
[18:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> In another Channel
[18:52] <an1> #ilugcbe. india linux user group coimbatore. forming a new lug :)
[21:55] <raubvogel> do I need to have the default server in apache2?
[22:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> raubvogel: you will be usign LAMPP rigt?
[22:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> awww One hour late :P


[09:28] <jpds> ubot2: bug #31232
[14:32] <[NikO]> hi there
[14:32] <[NikO]> is there some council member available atm ?
[14:34] <Pici> [NikO]: Whats up?
[14:34] <[NikO]> Pici, hi
[14:35] <[NikO]> we actually rewrite accesss lists on #ubuntu-fr* channels
[14:35] <[NikO]> but we have two issue
[14:35] <[NikO]> with 2 owners who disappears
[14:35] <Pici> Okay
[14:36] <[NikO]> #kubuntu-fr and #ubuntu-fr-meeting
[14:36] <Pici> What sort of issue?
[14:36] <[NikO]> if it possible to give the +F to ubuntu-fr-irc member ..
[14:37] <[NikO]> take a look at actual #ubuntu-fr-offtopic access list, that what we finaly try to have
[14:37] <jpds> Doesn't raphink or Tonio_ run -fr?
[14:37] <jpds> #k-fr*
[14:37] <Pici> Neither of those two channels are registered.
[14:38] <[NikO]> ?
[14:38] <Pici> Er. sorry, I was querying oftc, not freenode. Disregard that.
[14:38] <[NikO]> lol
[14:39] <[NikO]> jpds, none of them
[14:41] <Zic> (We are adding +F to Ubuntu-fr-IRC account on all our channels and reduced our rights there actually ;-))
[14:42] <Pici> nalioth: ping re: u-fr channels.
[19:00] <Anonymous> Hi.
[20:26] <[NikO]> nalioth ping :)
[20:29] <nalioth> [NikO]: pong
[20:29] <[NikO]> hi
[20:29] <[NikO]> we have two #ubuntu-fr* related channel without owner
[20:29] <[NikO]> disapear since years
[20:30] <[NikO]> and actually we put all +F access to ubuntu-fr-irc user
[20:30] <[NikO]> is it possible to give #ubuntu-fr-meeting and #kubuntu-fr +F to ubuntu-fr-irc user ?
[20:32] <[NikO]> ace nalioth :)
[20:36] <nalioth> [NikO]: y'all have been talking about this for a while.  i've still not seen any particular user mentioned
[20:37] <[NikO]> we will give all founder access to ubuntu-fr-irc user
[20:38] <[NikO]> and there is these two channels where the owner left freenode for a long long time
[20:38] <[NikO]> and we have no way to contact theme
[20:38] <[NikO]> -e
[20:38] <nalioth> ah
[20:38] <nalioth> oui, je comprende
[20:39] <nalioth> ftransfer #ubuntu-fr-meeting ubuntu-fr-irc
[20:39] <nalioth> er
[20:39] <[NikO]> and kubuntu-fr ?
[20:41] <[NikO]> thanks nalioth :)
[20:42] <nalioth> you're welcome
[20:44] <jussi01> nalioth: do you have access to mootbot? do you know where it has gone? (not in -meeting atm)
[20:52] <nalioth> is it gone again?
[20:52]  * Pici tries to remember who ran mootbot
[20:52] <nalioth> i just restarted it yesterday
[20:54] <nalioth> server appears down
[21:02] <nalioth> Pici: i run mootbot


[00:15] <foug> hello
[00:17] <TheSheep> hi foug
[00:18] <foug> hi, i'm wondering about pulse audio
[00:18] <foug> i use ubuntu not xubuntu, but the #ubuntu channel is pretty worthless
[00:19] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio by default
[00:19] <foug> ahh, so you don't know anything about it then? ;\
[00:19] <TheSheep> a little
[00:19] <TheSheep> what are you wondering about?
[00:19] <foug> just, where i can access the settings for it
[00:20] <TheSheep> thare is a number of gui tools
[00:20] <TheSheep> there
[00:20] <foug> so, i'd have to download a gui tool first? there isn't one with ubuntu by default
[00:20] <TheSheep> they are all called pa-something, I think
[00:21] <TheSheep> try tab-completion in a terminal
[00:22] <TheSheep> paman, pavucontrol, pavumeter
[00:22] <TheSheep> and pulseaudio-utils
[00:29] <foug> allright, thank you
[04:15] <ramin> can someone help me install a theme/
[04:16] <ramin> can anyone help?
[04:21] <alyawn> hi all... I just installed xubuntu (from kubuntu kde4) and I love it.
[04:21] <alyawn> awesome
[04:21] <j1mc> :)
[04:22] <evilbug> what's really the difference as far as aspect is concerned between gnome and xfce? they look VERY similar.
[04:23] <alyawn> one question: does it come with a default terminal app? I don't see one in my menus.
[04:24] <alyawn> nvm.... found it
[04:24] <sliverchair> any recommended html editor with ftp?
[04:24] <ramin> filezilla?
[04:25] <ramin> can anyone help me with installing a theme?
[04:27] <j1mc> evilbug: xfce is largely coded in C, so it is fast.  the codebase is cleaner in xfce, too.
[04:27] <j1mc> ramin: i can help w/ installing a theme.
[04:28] <ramin> hey there
[04:28] <j1mc> hi ramin
[04:28] <ramin> hi, thanks for coming to the help
[04:28] <j1mc> so you want to install a theme.  have you downloaded the theme file?
[04:28] <ramin> indeed, it is http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=56438&forumpage=21
[04:29] <ramin> it needs to install a theme engine first
[04:29] <j1mc> ok.  where did you download the file to?
[04:29] <ramin> and well, i downloaded it
[04:29] <ramin> i extracted to 2 tarballs
[04:29] <j1mc> ok.  where did you extract them to?
[04:29] <ramin> extracted aurora file
[04:29] <ramin> um
[04:29] <ramin> /home/ramin/gtkrc
[04:30] <j1mc> do you want the themes to be available for all users or just you?
[04:30] <ramin> just me
[04:30] <ramin> only one user anyway
[04:30] <j1mc> right
[04:30] <ramin> as the instructions say
[04:30] <ramin> i have to do this
[04:30] <ramin> make install
[04:30] <ramin> but when I do that
[04:31] <ramin> it tells me I have no make target 'install'
[04:31] <j1mc> hm
[04:31] <j1mc> when you type, sudo apt-get install build-essential   what happens?
[04:32] <ramin> uh, wait
[04:32] <j1mc> you need some software to help you build software
[04:33] <ramin> oh
[04:33] <ramin> I have to install build-essential
[04:33] <ramin> should I?
[04:33] <j1mc> the build-essential package will give you that software, so yes.
[04:33] <j1mc> otherwise 'make' won't make anything
[04:33] <ramin> ah, now that makes sense
[04:34] <ramin> k, it's done installing
[04:34] <ramin> now let me try
[04:34] <j1mc> ok
[04:36] <ramin> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[04:36] <ramin> I never understand that
[04:37] <j1mc> did you try, 'sudo make install'
[04:37] <j1mc> w/o the ' marks?
[04:38] <ramin> i just did, doesn't work, gives me the same error
[04:38] <j1mc> did you google that error?
[04:38] <ramin> that was dumb of me, no, let me do it now
[04:39] <j1mc> did you run ./configure
[04:39] <j1mc> and then make
[04:39] <j1mc> first?
[04:40] <ramin> yep
[04:40] <j1mc> ok.  :]
[04:43] <j1mc> i will try installing it myself, and see what i get.
[04:43] <ramin> thanks
[04:44] <ramin> I'll be back in like 10-15 minutes, but if Im not here,
[04:44] <ramin> just write it out in irc, and i'll read
[04:51] <shah> hi guys, how to mount windows partitions on my xubuntu
[05:05] <ramin> jlmc
[05:08] <ramin> were you able to do anything?
[05:09] <j1mc> i'm trying
[05:10] <ramin> k
[05:10] <j1mc> when i configured the aurora engine, i got  GTK+-2.10 is required to compile aurora
[05:10] <j1mc> so i need to do that first.
[05:10] <ramin> i see
[05:14] <ramin> jlmc
[05:14] <rand0m> can someone tell me how to add a konqueror launcher icon to the panel in xfce ?
[05:14] <ramin> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[05:18] <j1mc> ramin: yes  :)
[05:18] <ramin> so, how did you configure the rest? what did you do for make install
[05:19] <j1mc> i'm running make now
[05:19] <ramin> ah
[05:20] <j1mc> ramin: it worked for me.
[05:20] <ramin> omg
[05:20] <ramin> what did you do?
[05:20] <j1mc> did you use ./configure --prefix=/usr  ?
[05:21] <j1mc> rand0m: i can help you
[05:21] <j1mc> rand0m: have you installed konqueror?
[05:21] <rand0m> absolutely.
[05:21] <rand0m> .....yes
[05:21] <rand0m> heh
[05:22] <ramin> I did that,
[05:22] <ramin> what did you do next?
[05:22] <j1mc> just right click on the panel, and select add new item
[05:22] <j1mc> then select 'launcher'
[05:23] <j1mc> you can type 'konqueror' in the command line
[05:23] <ramin> did you just run make?
[05:23] <rand0m> jlmc: where do I find the icon tho ?
[05:24] <ramin> alright jlmc, something is happening
[05:25] <j1mc> rand0m: try /usr/share/icons  ... is there a konqueror icon in there?
[05:26] <rand0m> nope
[05:26] <evilbug> i just installed xubuntu on a macbook pro and i'm following the ubuntu instructions to set it up. i'm having a little trouble with this command "gksu gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common" how would i run it in xfce?
[05:27] <j1mc> rand0m: what about /usr/share/applications
[05:28] <rand0m> newp
[05:29] <rand0m> wtf.. my mouse just randomly stopped working
[05:30] <ramin> thank you so much jlmc
[05:30] <rand0m> the touchpad on my laptop still works
[05:30] <rand0m> buuut mouse is f
[05:30] <ramin> I got it to work
[05:30] <rand0m> ´d
[05:30] <ramin> a lot easier than I thought it was
[05:31] <rand0m> brb i need to reboot.. an update completed
[05:31] <j1mc> rand0m: sorry i can't find the icon.
[05:31] <j1mc> i should know where it is, but i can't find it.
[05:31] <j1mc> ramin: glad i was able to help.
[05:31] <j1mc> enjoy the theme!
[05:31] <evilbug> and where can i find the power options in xfce?
[05:31] <rand0m> jlmc, itś all good.. itś probably supposed to be where you said, so the problem is likely that itś not where itś supopsed to be
[05:31] <rand0m> ok how about this one ?
[05:32] <rand0m> how come when i just type as usual, with apostropheś, it shows up like that?
[05:32] <rand0m> accenting letters instead of apostrophizing
[05:33] <j1mc> evilbug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/243848
[05:33] <j1mc> check out that bug
[05:33] <j1mc> rand0m: when you type 'locale'  what is the result?
[06:19] <quixot1> I'm trying to install xubuntu 7.10 on a Dell Latitude LS.  (8.04 CD didn't write properly, and I had a 7.10 lying around.)  It needs an 800x600 resolution, but it the LiveCD installs "Default" 1024x768.  Close buttons, menu items all sorts of stuff is off the screen.  Aargh.  I've been searching the web for days.  Anyone know how to deal with this?  I've tried editing xorg.conf, but can't find the magic combination.
[06:31] <jimmy_the_saint> I am have noticed a couple issues that I, and others, have had that haven't been solved on the forums.  First, upon returning from suspend, there is no password prompt.  Does anyone know a solution for this?
[06:33] <ramin> can anyone help me install this,http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin
[06:34] <ramin> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin
[06:34] <jimmy_the_saint> what distro?
[06:34] <ramin> xubuntu
[06:34] <ramin> i need help building the tarball, basically
[06:35] <ramin> version 1.1
[06:35] <ramin> i extract it,
[06:35] <ramin> and go to the directory
[06:35] <ramin> I then type ./configure
[06:35] <jimmy_the_saint> they are in the repos
[06:36] <ramin> it goes
[06:36] <ramin> and then I type make
[06:36] <ramin> but it says no target file
[06:36] <ramin> i'll check
[06:37] <jimmy_the_saint> you can install it via synaptic.  Just search for goodies and look for xfce-goodies
[06:37] <ramin> k, thank you
[06:37] <jimmy_the_saint> no problem
[06:38] <jimmy_the_saint> Anyone know how to enable a password prompt upon returning from suspend?
[06:39] <ramin> I don't see the one I need though, it is for Places
[06:40] <jimmy_the_saint> i think that smartbookmark tool is the one you are looking for
[06:40] <jimmy_the_saint> that is the version on the site
[06:40] <ramin> I see, well, I just want my harddrives to be listed in Places
[06:42] <jimmy_the_saint> well try it out, and if it doesn't work, come back!!
[06:42] <ramin> i just tried xfce4-goodies
[06:46] <ramin> don't see anything that could help me exactly
[06:46] <jimmy_the_saint> when you open thunar, you should have a side panel that shows the items on your places menu and your mounted drives
[06:47] <ramin> well
[06:47] <ramin> that's the problem
[06:48] <ramin> my harddrives had to be manually mounted
[06:48] <ramin> they were mounted into a directory though
[06:48] <jimmy_the_saint> hmm
[06:48] <jimmy_the_saint> why did they have to be manually mounted?
[06:49] <ramin> Im not sure, xubuntu would just not see my NTFS drives, but if I did, fdisk -l, it would find them
[06:49] <jimmy_the_saint> hmm
[06:49] <jimmy_the_saint> thats above my head
[06:49] <ramin> haha
[06:50] <ramin> yeah, so I just wanted to install that thing, so it would have folder shortcuts leading to the mounted hard drives
[06:50] <ramin> right now, it's like /media/hde
[06:50] <jimmy_the_saint> you could add a bookmark in that panel to /media.  that would at least eliminate a lot of mouseclicks
[06:51] <ramin> how would i do that
[06:51] <ramin> That's actually what I was meaning to do
[06:51] <ramin> on xfce, you can't really add things to the places
[06:52] <jimmy_the_saint> click on the file system bookmark
[06:53] <jimmy_the_saint> right click on the media icon and select "send to sidebar" (create bookmark)
[06:53] <ramin> Awesome!
[06:53] <ramin> Your my hero
[06:53] <ramin> that is exactly what I wanted
[06:53] <ramin> thank you
[06:54] <jimmy_the_saint> right on
[06:55] <ramin> have you ever had the problem where if you right click on something, the menu goes away all of a sudden, and then you have to keep right clicking?
[06:56] <jimmy_the_saint> nope
[06:56] <ramin> weird
[06:56] <jimmy_the_saint> could be your mouse too
[06:56] <ramin> indeed
[06:56] <ramin> especially since im so ghetto
[07:13] <rand0m> for some reason, my kensington optical mouse just randomly stops working.. even when i change ports it doesn´t work.. when i reboot, it works for a bit but shortly thereafter, stops again
[07:21] <rand0m> for some reason, my kensington optical mouse just randomly stops working.. even when i change ports it doesn´t work.. when i reboot, it works for a bit but shortly thereafter, stops again
[07:21] <rand0m> err sorry
[09:49] <Cobra112> Hozsanna testverek
[09:50] <Cobra11> Hozsanna
[12:11] <Kardoso> hi
[13:34] <AlexCONRAD> hi, are there any respins for xubuntu that has the latest packages?
[13:34] <AlexCONRAD> that's for CD custmomization
[13:35] <TheSheep> you mean Intrepid?
[13:35] <AlexCONRAD> hello TheSheep, I don't know, what's intrepid ?
[13:35]  * AlexCONRAD 's googling for it
[13:35] <TheSheep> !intrepid
[13:36] <AlexCONRAD> ah, no alpha
[13:36] <AlexCONRAD> some CD respin with the latest current updates
[13:36] <TheSheep> the last stable is Hardy
[13:36] <AlexCONRAD> I just saw there's Xubuntu 8.04.1 Released
[13:36] <Myrtti> I believe the cd's now downloadable are that
[13:36] <Myrtti> 8.04.1
[13:37] <TheSheep> ah, I'm not up to date
[13:37] <TheSheep> yay, new kernel
[13:40] <AlexCONRAD> where are the release notes ?
[13:46] <jokoon> Hello
[13:47] <jokoon> I have a VERY annoying bug or material problem with my apple ibook G4. When I'm typing the touchpad randomly clicks and I almost don't touch it, How can I deactivate touchpad click ?
[13:47] <jokoon> because it was possible with gnome
[14:17] <user1321> hello
[16:22] <thinkmassive> did anyone else's panels disappear with the 8.04.1 update?
[16:22] <vinnl> thinkmassive, try pressing Alt+F2 and running "xfce4-panel" :)
[16:23] <thinkmassive> that gets them back but I don't want to do that everytime
[16:23] <vinnl> thinkmassive, you shouldn't have to do that every time
[16:23] <thinkmassive> oh ok, thank you
[16:23] <vinnl> Once ought to be enough :)
[16:25] <thinkmassive> my nm-applet has stopped responding too
[16:25] <vinnl> Hmm... What do you mean by "the 8.04.1 update" by the way? Did you do a fresh install?
[16:26] <thinkmassive> no, I installed the update that became available this morning
[16:27] <thinkmassive> the Update Manager told me there were updates available and I actually didn't read through all of them like I usually do, I just remember seeing some kernel updates and a bunch of other stuff
[16:28] <vinnl> But that's not "the 8.04.1 update", those are just regular update. 8.04.1 is just an updated ISO including all updates up til then
[16:28] <vinnl> Oh wait...
[16:28] <vinnl> I get it - it must be because the release announcement only appeared on the website yesterday. My bad :(
[16:29] <thinkmassive> it doesn't make a difference if I get there using a fresh install from a cd or by downloading and installing updates, I'm still at version 8.04.1
[16:29] <vinnl> True
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> what's the release rate of new ISO updates? like 8.04.1 ?
[16:39] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, .2 isn't scheduled yet
[16:39] <vinnl> cody-somerville, I believe it was something like every three months?
[16:40] <AlexCONRAD> that would be neat
[16:40] <cody-somerville> vinnl, I strongly doubt it.
[16:40] <cody-somerville> vinnl, it takes a lot of effort to do a release, even a point release
[16:41] <vinnl> cody-somerville, AlexCONRAD: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
[16:41] <vinnl> "We also committed, for the first time, to a regular set of point releases for 8.04 LTS. These will start three months after the LTS, and be repeated every six months until the next LTS is out."
[16:41] <cody-somerville> okay, so every six months
[16:41] <cody-somerville> that makes more sense
[16:58] <AlexCONRAD> where can I see releases-notes of the xubuntu kernel?
[16:58] <AlexCONRAD> is there a README or something ?
[16:59] <AlexCONRAD> I had problems with my network card (realtek RTL8111C) and I used to patch my kernel. I just upgraded and it seems that my network card now works
[16:59] <AlexCONRAD> without the patch
[16:59] <zoredache_> most of the time notes and change logs go into /usr/share/doc/{packagename}
[16:59] <AlexCONRAD> is that related to kernel.org, or could it be a *buntu fix ?
[17:00] <AlexCONRAD> zoredache: ok, I'll look here
[17:01] <zoredache> if something was fixed upstream in the kernel though you might have to look at the upstream change logs which are kernel.org
[17:01] <zoredache> they may also be included in the kernel docs if if you install the docs package
[17:05] <AlexCONRAD> there's a commit regarding the driver's module on the kernel's changelog: Sun Apr 27 17:59:52 2008 +0200
[17:07] <AlexCONRAD> not sure if that's a fix to my problem though
[17:10] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, You might ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:10] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: thanks, didn't know about that
[17:10] <cody-somerville> np :)
[17:11] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, You seem pretty knowledgeable. Would you be interested in helping contribute to Xubuntu?
[17:15] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: im honored. Although I'm not sure I have the skills for that (nor the time, but little contributions are always nice)
[17:15] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: what does it consiste in really ?
[17:15] <AlexCONRAD> consist*
[17:16] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, Everyone can contribute as little or as much as they like. Xubuntu is a community project and is held up and supported via "many hands make light work".
[17:16] <vinnl> AlexCONRAD, you might want to join #xubuntu-devel if you're interested :)
[17:16]  * cody-somerville nods. :)
[17:17] <AlexCONRAD> what do I get if I sign?
[17:18] <zoredache> a warm fuzzy feeling for having contributed
[17:18] <AlexCONRAD> like, be able to commit or so ? have an email @xubuntu ?
[17:18] <vinnl> It's a great feeling :)
[17:18] <AlexCONRAD> girls tatooed xubuntu all over the place ?
[17:18] <vinnl> xD
[17:19] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:19] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, I'm working on getting @xubuntu e-mail addresses for contributors
[17:19] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, But you'll get nice launchpad badges and if you do well you'll get commit access of course :)
[17:20] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: dont worry, I'm fine with my email. I just wanted to know if I get any more privilege
[17:20] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: ok, so it's about contributing on the mailing list and so, right?
[17:20] <zoredache> it can be said that you get the potential for more privilege
[17:21] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, hehe. Well, contributing on the mailing list is part of it but there is a lot of other stuff like bug triage, bug fixing, packaging, writing documentation, helping others, and much more.
[17:21] <AlexCONRAD> well, I'll subscribe xubuntu-devel if it's all the implication it needs
[17:21] <vinnl> AlexCONRAD, you might also want to see xubuntu.org/devel
[17:21] <AlexCONRAD> I'm scared about commit, i'd rather have the approval befor e:)
[17:22] <AlexCONRAD> i only like to commit my own projects
[17:22] <AlexCONRAD> :)
[17:23] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, Don't worry. We won't let you break anything :)
[17:23] <AlexCONRAD> is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel it ?
[17:23] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, and if you do, no biggie. We'll help you fix it :)
[17:23] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, Yup.
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> done
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> i was following (from very far) the XFCE list already
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> although, I'm not desktop user really (yet)
[17:24]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> i'm setting up some kind of setopbox
[17:25] <AlexCONRAD> automation install (preseed and such)
[17:25] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:25] <AlexCONRAD> anyway, I'll be glad to help if I have any chance
[17:25]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:25] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, #xubuntu-devel is a great place to hang out to spot such chances :)
[17:25] <vinnl> \0/
[17:26] <AlexCONRAD> brb
[18:10] <Snoopotic> is there a tool to disable the automatic start on boot of some services like lighttpd & else? or do I have to rmeove them automatically in init.d / rc.d
[18:10] <vinnl> Snoopotic, there's Applications->System->Services if I'm right
[18:11] <vinnl> Snoopotic, if not everything is listed there you could install Boot-Up Manager
[18:12] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm off, good luck
[18:19] <Arth-Vader> in regular Ubuntu, you could browse and connect to computers on a local network. how do i do that in Xubuntu?
[18:20] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, download pyNeighborhood
[18:20] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, or use fusesmb
[18:22] <Bubalooshi> Hello
[18:23] <Bubalooshi> Can anybody help me with a problem I've encountered with Ubuntu?
[18:23] <Bubalooshi> Anybody?
[18:24] <Myrtti> let me get my crystal ball first
[18:24] <Bubalooshi> Alright
[18:24] <charlie-tca> !question
[18:26] <Bubalooshi> I installed Ubuntu for the first time. I logged in, and everything was fine and dandy. Then I installed 41 updates, restart my computer, and I get a command shell and I do not know how to log in.
[18:26] <charlie-tca> What is the prompt you get?
[18:27] <Bubalooshi> (initramfs)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> try typing  "exit" without the quotes
[18:27] <charlie-tca> then hit the enter key
[18:28] <Arth-Vader> cody-somerville - i think in Ubuntu it was a local FTP connection
[18:28] <Arth-Vader> my other computer is a Mac
[18:28] <Bubalooshi> I've tried that, it just clears the screen and makes a new prompt.
[18:28] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, Unfortunately there isn't really anything in Xubuntu currently that can do that.
[18:28] <Bubalooshi> As in it asks for (initramfs)_ again
[18:29] <Arth-Vader> okay
[18:29] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, I use curlftps though to mount remote ftp servers though.
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Give me a minute to look this up
[18:29] <Bubalooshi> Ok thank you
[18:30] <Arth-Vader> cody-somerville - is that command line?
[18:30] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, yup
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Bubalooshi: what is the version of ubuntu
[18:35] <Bubalooshi> 8.04, downloaded it a couple hours ago
[18:39] <Bubalooshi> If you want the specific file name, it was ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Did you get any errors during the installation?
[18:40] <Bubalooshi> Do you mean it completely stopped installing?
[18:41] <Bubalooshi> I didn't have to do anything, it installed.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> No, while you were putting Xubuntu on the drive
[18:42] <Bubalooshi> I'm still confused-- I installed it through Windows.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> You mean you put the cd in the drive and ran it
[18:42] <Bubalooshi> Yes, that's what I did. I chose the install through Windows option and configured it.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Is there a cd still in the drive?
[18:43] <Bubalooshi> No, I took it out after I logged in and installed the updates.
[18:43] <Bubalooshi> Told me I had to restart, so I did, and I get this message.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Can you try Ctrl-D then. It will either exit this prompt and continuue or it will restart.
[18:46] <Bubalooshi> I will try that.
[18:46] <Bubalooshi> It is on this computer and I am on Windows now, so I will be back.
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Let me know what happens, I'll be here for a couple of hours
[19:42] <dromer> hmmm, having trouble getting mpd to see my mp3 collection
[19:42] <dromer> I installed the w32codecs
[19:42] <dromer> but it still can't see anything
[19:42] <ablomen> dromer, mp3 isnt covered by w32codecs
[19:43] <ablomen> you need lame for that :)
[19:43] <dromer> hmm, thought it was .. well totem can play mp3 anyway (from ffmpeg right?)
[19:43] <ablomen> yeah
[19:43] <ablomen> what mpd deamon are you using btw?
[19:44] <dromer> so mpd still can't see my collection ..
[19:44] <dromer> mpd == daemon
[19:44] <dromer> or what version you mean?
[19:44] <ablomen> heh right, srry bout that :P
[19:44] <dromer> hmm, not sure what version
[19:44] <dromer> where can I check? :P
[19:45] <ablomen> oh yeah not the version, i was just being stupid ;)
[19:45] <dromer> then what do you want!!
[19:45] <dromer> :P
[19:45] <ablomen> anyway try just installing lame
[19:45] <vinnl> Do you mean client? :)
[19:45] <dromer> hmmm
[19:45] <dromer> ncmpc ofcourse ;)
[19:46]  * vinnl uses three different clients :P
[19:46] <dromer> which ones? :)
[19:46] <vinnl> mpc for keyboard shortcuts, the Xfce panel plugin for clicking and (atm) gmpc for when I want more :)
[19:46] <vinnl> Gotta love mpd :)
[19:47] <dromer> ok, lol
[19:47] <dromer> I only use ncmpc and sometimes one of those firefox plugins
[19:47] <dromer> I found one recently that was pretty cool, can't recall the name though ..
[19:48] <dromer> ok, lame is installed .. do I restart mpd first or just try to update the db?
[19:48] <dromer> I made a symlink in /var/lib/mpd/music to the dir containing the files btw
[19:49] <dromer> ok, didn't work :/
[19:50] <zoredache> does the mpd users have access to the files?
[19:50] <Bubalooshi> I am back after I was given help tips, and I have another question.
[19:50] <cody-somerville> welcome back
[19:51] <Bubalooshi> Thanks, I have a quick question.
[19:51] <vinnl> Bring it on :)
[19:51] <Bubalooshi> I am stuck with my resolution at 800x600
[19:51] <dromer> zoredache: afaik it does ..
[19:51] <dromer> hmmm, maybe I need to chown the symlink to mpd
[19:51] <Bubalooshi> I cannot change it to what I normally use it at, 1280x1024
[19:51] <zoredache> chowning the link won't do anything
[19:52] <vinnl> Bubalooshi, which version of Xubunt uare you using?
[19:52] <Bubalooshi> The newest one, 8.04.1 desktop
[19:52] <zoredache> dromer:  you might want to try doing something like 'sudo -i -u mpd' or whatever the name of the account is that mpd uses
[19:52]  * cody-somerville recommends sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[19:52]  * cody-somerville and then suggests restarting X.
[19:52] <dromer> zoredache: doesn't even work .. what do I do then? the symlink is owned by root, could that be it?
[19:52] <dromer> zoredache: what does that do?
[19:53] <vinnl> Bubalooshi, have you already tried running displayconfig-gtk?
[19:54] <zoredache> dromer: it makes you become the mpd user... once you are the mpd user try and cd into /var/lib/mpd/music/whatever
[19:54] <Bubalooshi> No, I haven't. It is on this same computer, so what should I do after I run that?
[19:54] <vinnl> Bubalooshi, you can choose your monitor from there (you need to run it as root by the way)
[19:54] <vinnl> And then you should be able to pick the correct resolution (hopefully :)
[19:55] <Bubalooshi> Ok, thanks. I'll try that right now.
[19:55] <dromer> zoredache: can just fine
[19:55] <dromer> zoredache: cd to that dit that is
[19:55] <zoredache> as the mpd account?
[19:55] <dromer> zoredache: yes
[19:56] <zoredache> well then it probably isn't a permissions issue...
[19:56] <zoredache> I don't know anything about mpd though.  Maybe it doesn't like the symlinks?
[19:56] <dromer> it should
[19:56] <dromer> that's what /var/lib/mpd/music/ is for
[19:57] <zoredache> is it?  Or are you supposed to put the music in /var/lib/mpd/music
[19:58] <zoredache> never mind... accourding to the wiki it does support symlinks
[19:58] <dromer> hehe
[19:58] <dromer> you are supposed to put symlinks in there
[19:58] <dromer> yeah i really don't get it, on any system I've worked woth it always worked
[19:59] <zoredache> dromer: did you see this page 'http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Using_Multiple_Directories_Under_Parent'. It has an interesting comment at the bottem.... For Ubuntu users, if your directories and files are on other devices, like /dev/hda1, you must add mpd user to "plugdev" group.
[19:59] <zoredache> For more information see: Symbolic_link
[19:59] <dromer> lemme try and change the dir in mpd.conf to the file-dir directly .. if it can't see the files then ...
[19:59] <dromer> ok, add mpd to plugdev I gues ?
[20:00] <zoredache> I would be tempted to try that anyway...  Of course make sure you restart after you make the change
[20:00] <zoredache> 'restart mpd'
[20:00] <dromer> -duh- ;)
[20:01] <Bubalooshi> I have yet another problem :(
[20:02] <zoredache> we have a buy two get the next free deal today.  Ask away
[20:02] <Bubalooshi> I can't log into Ubuntu, I get a command shell (initramfs)
[20:03] <Bubalooshi> On Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop, I tried typing exit and Ctrl + D but it doesn't do anything. I was told that earlier.
[20:04] <zoredache> hrm...
[20:05] <Bubalooshi> I've been able to load and logon to Ubuntu the first time, I got this error many times, was once again able to log on, and then am getting this shell again.
[20:05] <dromer> nothing wrong with the shell ;)
[20:06] <Bubalooshi> I know, I didn't mean to say error :p
[20:06] <Bubalooshi> I just don't know how to get rid of this so I can logon through the Ubuntu GUI and not this.
[20:06] <zoredache> if you are in the initramfs shell it is a bit of an error....
[20:07] <zoredache> nt in that it is a shell, but instead because seeing it usually means some part of the boot process failed
[20:07] <dromer> zoredache: I can't get mpd added to group plugdev :/
[20:07] <Bubalooshi> What I CAN tell you is whenever it DOES boot up I ahve to wait a while because it stays at the some swap swap
[20:08] <ablomen> dromer, sudo adduser mdp plugdev doenst work?
[20:08] <Bubalooshi> That normally takes at least a minute or a little longer, maybe that has something to do with it?
[20:08] <dromer> ablomen: hmm, I did $ sudo useradd -G plugdev mpd
[20:09] <dromer> ablomen: well thnx on that :P
[20:09] <ablomen> hehe np :)
[20:10] <dromer> wewt, now it sees the symlink and the db is updated \o/
[20:10] <ablomen> :)
[20:10] <Bubalooshi> Is there anything I can do to fix this :( ?
[20:11]  * dromer anjoying mpd
[20:11] <dromer> en*
[20:11]  * vinnl too
[20:11]  * ablomen isnt, mplayer \o/ :)
[20:11] <dromer> now to get this raid1/smb setup fixed :#
[20:12] <vinnl> choice \0/
[20:12] <ablomen> yep :)
[20:12]  * dromer reboot to attach other disks
[20:14] <ablomen> what was that tui again? i forgot the name
[20:14] <ablomen> (tui as in text user interface)
[20:15] <ablomen> its on the tip of my toung..
[20:15] <vinnl> A tui for what?
[20:16] <ablomen> the tui itself, not for an app
[20:16] <vinnl> Sorry, no idea what you're talking about :P
[20:17] <ablomen> ah ncurses
[20:17] <ablomen> got it :)
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Bubalooshi: How much memory does that system have?
[20:21] <vinnl> charlie-tca,  * Bubalooshi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) :)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Yes, I missed that. Thanks
[20:24] <dromer> hmmm, wth, mpd can't see the disk anymore :/
[20:25] <dromer> it's still a member of plugdev, and the disk has the same location (symlink still works ..(
[20:26] <ablomen> stupid question.. mpd is still running?
[20:30] <dromer> yes
[20:31] <dromer> and not still, I had to shutdown and boot up again ..
[20:32] <ablomen> hmm, did you run mpd with sudo before you rebooted? i saw that tio comming trough
[20:32] <ablomen> *tip
[20:33] <dromer> yes, I ran it as sudo /etc/init.d/mpd start
[20:33] <ablomen> oh ok
[20:33] <ablomen> hmm
[20:35] <ablomen> you can play the files in a different player?
[20:36] <dromer> yes
[20:37] <ablomen> hmm, and the files are chmodded/owned and the disk is mounted in a way that other users then your user can read them?
[20:39] <dromer> wel it worked right before I rebooted :P
[20:39] <ablomen> heh myeah maybe you changed something in fstab or something ;)
[20:39] <dromer> nope
[20:40] <ablomen> hmm
[20:40] <ablomen> ok have no idea then
[20:40] <dromer> it's a usb-disk that gets automounted on boot
[20:40] <dromer> same location (symlink still works ..)
[20:40] <ablomen> oh..
[20:40] <ablomen> just a thought, but maybe mpd gets started before the drive is mounted?
[20:40] <ablomen> so the db is empty
[20:41] <dromer> could be, but updating the db doesn't work
[20:41] <dromer> restarting mpd doesn't work
[20:41] <ablomen> meh
[20:41] <dromer> uhuh
[20:41] <ablomen> use rhythmbox/mplayer/xmms/whatever :P
[20:42] <dromer> no F-ing way :/
[20:43] <ablomen> or just try cp-ing the files from the usb disk to a local folder and use that as the music dir
[20:43] <ablomen> chown it to mpd etc
[20:43] <dromer> heh, no way, it's ~60gb of files :P
[20:44] <dromer> the disk in this machine is like 9gb :P (6.5gb left :P )
[20:44] <ablomen> the usb disk is formated as fat btw?
[20:44] <dromer> and besides, it is supposed to work
[20:44] <dromer> yes, that doesn't matter
[20:44] <dromer> look, it worked up until I rebooted .. something went wrong :/
[20:45] <ablomen> well there was a problem in here some time ago. other users then the user that mounted the disk had problems reading/writing the file
[20:45] <ablomen> that might be it
[20:45] <ablomen> look, im just trying to help here ;)
[20:46] <dromer> :P
[20:48] <ablomen> anyway, since fat doesnt support permissions, it might be worth it to try and mount the disk as the mpd user/your own user
[21:02] <carbuntu> can someone please remind me how to set four desktops up instead of two?  or where to look for info?  appreciate.
[21:02] <vinnl> carbuntu, do you have Compiz installed?
[21:02] <ablomen> carbuntu, if you arnt, settings manager -> workspaces and margins
[21:03] <carbuntu> i *think* compiz is installed default with hardy int it?
[21:03] <vinnl> carbuntu, nope
[21:03] <ablomen> in gnome it is
[21:03] <vinnl> (Not with Xubuntu, at least)
[21:04] <ablomen> but then your in the wrong chanel :P
[21:05] <ablomen> (gnome as in ubuntu without the x in fron t
[21:05] <ablomen> of it that is) ;)
[21:08] <AJPowell> hello
[21:08] <vinnl> Hey AJPowell
[21:08] <AJPowell> does anyone here have time to help me with a wireless conenction, im new to xubuntu
[21:09] <vinnl> AJPowell, if it's not too difficult, sure
[21:13] <AJPowell> ok
[21:13] <AJPowell> well i have an o2 wireless box
[21:13] <AJPowell> and a belkin wireless g card
[21:13] <AJPowell> i have managed to set up the connection after 4 days
[21:13] <AJPowell> but keep getting random disconnects
[21:13] <AJPowell> and when disconnected if i do "iwconfig" i get wlan0 essid:off/any" but it should say WirelessNetwork
[21:13] <AJPowell> am i back?
[21:13] <ablomen> AJPowell, yep
[21:13] <AJPowell> sorry bout that
[21:14] <AJPowell> did u get anything
 and when disconnected if i do "iwconfig" i get wlan0 essid:off/any" but it should say WirelessNetwork << was the last line
[21:14] <AJPowell> ok cool
[21:14] <AJPowell> and when i try to reconnect i get trouble getting dhcp
[21:14] <vinnl> Not sure how to troubleshoot that, but have you tried using the Windows driver?
[21:15] <AJPowell> i am
[21:15] <AJPowell> there isnt any other one
[21:15] <AJPowell> i have to use ndiswrapper
[21:15] <vinnl> Ah
[21:15] <AJPowell> do you want to see any iw/if config output?
[21:15] <AJPowell> or similar
[21:16] <vinnl> I wouldn't know what to do with it, but perhaps other people would
[21:16] <AJPowell> post in here or not?
[21:16] <vinnl> If it's long, use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:17] <vinnl> (Or another pastebin of course :)
[21:17] <AJPowell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27829/
[21:18] <AJPowell> is that how it works?
[21:18] <vinnl> Yep
[21:18] <AJPowell> cool
[21:19] <AJPowell> the network manager in xubuntu is not very helpful at all
[21:19] <AJPowell> the only way  ican get a connection is to do it in terminal
[21:19] <vinnl> AJPowell, have you tried using the manual configuration?
[21:19] <AJPowell> yeah it works for a while, then the essid resets
[21:19] <AJPowell> i cant work out why
[21:21] <vinnl> AJPowell, you could try installing another application to manage your wireless network, people have reported success with wicd when network-admin and networkmanager didn't work
[21:22] <AJPowell> where can i get those and would i have to remove network manager
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Another suggestion: associate the Access Point. When I ran wireless at home, I had to allow the router to broadcast
[21:22] <charlie-tca> it.
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, it kept disconnecting.
[21:22] <AJPowell> charlie: would you be able to advise how?
[21:22] <AJPowell> sounds useful
[21:23] <charlie-tca> It should be a setting in the router configuration to broadcast.
[21:24] <AJPowell> oh, yeah the router is broadcasting its ssid
[21:24] <vinnl> AJPowell, I'd first try charlie-tca's suggestion, you can install wicd using the instructions on the website, you don't need to remove networkmanager
[21:24] <AJPowell> i meant the associate access point part?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> looking it up
[21:30] <charlie-tca> AJPowell: broadcasting the SSID, also on my LinkSys, set the MTU to1492, it wouldn't work at 1500...
[21:30] <AJPowell> ok
[21:31] <AJPowell> well the o2wireless box is set to broadcast its ssid
[21:31] <AJPowell> but how will i set my mtu?
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Is there an interface through the web browser?
[21:32] <AJPowell> yes or i can telnet
[21:32] <AJPowell> this router isnt a standard thing thugh most stuff is locked down
[21:32] <AJPowell> its supplied by isp
[21:32] <AJPowell> :-(
[21:33] <AJPowell> its called an o2wireless box
[21:33] <AJPowell> rebranded thompson something or other
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Oh, then it probably can't be done in it.
[21:34] <AJPowell> ok
[21:34] <AJPowell> is that the only way to set mtu?
[21:34] <AJPowell> in the router
[21:34] <AJPowell> its not a local setting
[21:34] <AJPowell> ?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> You can set it for the wireless card using ..
[21:34] <vinnl> !punctuation
[21:35] <AJPowell> yeah sorry bout that
[21:35] <vinnl> :)
[21:36] <AJPowell> hey i just download wicd but in the package installer it says error - conflicts with network manager?
[21:36] <AJPowell> shall i remove network manager?
[21:36] <vinnl> Oh bummer
[21:37] <vinnl> AJPowell, I suppose you can remove it and reinstall it if wicd doesn't work either
[21:37] <AJPowell> ok ill just reboot brb
[21:38] <vinnl> Oh btw
[21:38] <AJPowell> yep?
[21:38] <vinnl> You probably want to download the network-manager and network-manager-gnome packages first so you can reinstall them if you end up without an internet connection
[21:38] <vinnl> (http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=network%20manager&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all)
[21:38] <vinnl> (Btw, why do you need to reboot? :)
[21:39] <AJPowell> i can still connect via ethernet
[21:39] <vinnl> Oh ok
[21:39] <vinnl> Go ahead then :)
[21:39] <AJPowell> i assumed i need to because ive uninstalled network manager and still getting conflict message
[21:39] <vinnl> Conflict message?
[21:40] <AJPowell> in package installer "Status - Error: Conflicts with the installed package network manager"
[21:40] <AJPowell> when i click wicd.deb
[21:40] <vinnl> AJPowell, and you're sure you've uninstalled network-manager?
[21:40] <vinnl> (A reboot shouldn't be necessary)
[21:41] <AJPowell> i will check again
[21:41] <vinnl> (Be sure to click Apply after you've marked the changes in Synaptic ^.^)
[21:42] <AJPowell> i didnt do it in synaptic
[21:42] <vinnl> By the way, why did you take the .deb package? http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php mentions how to add a repository
[21:42] <vinnl> :)
[21:42] <AJPowell> i did it in Applications>System>Add/emove
[21:42] <AJPowell> oh ok ill have a look
[21:43] <vinnl> AJPowell, how did you get wicd.deb?
[21:43] <AJPowell> err
[21:43] <AJPowell> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573&package_id=229460&release_id=577210
[21:44] <vinnl> AJPowell, ah, well, I'd recommend following the instructions on http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php as that'll provide you with automatic updates and automatic removal of network-manager
[21:44] <AJPowell> ok but it has only instructions for ubuntu not xubuntu
[21:45] <vinnl> AJPowell, ah, well, the installation instructions are the same, with the only difference that Synaptic is located in Applications->System->Synaptic Package Manager
[21:46] <AJPowell> i see!
[21:46] <AJPowell> so i just use synaptic form now on
[21:46] <AJPowell> never used it befor
[21:46] <vinnl> Well, Add/Remove... is slightly easier but not all packages are listed there, so for certain tasks you need to use Synaptic
[21:46] <AJPowell> cool
[21:46] <vinnl> They do the same behind the scenes though
[21:47] <AJPowell> how do i aply changes the button is greyed out
[21:47] <vinnl> Oh, by the way, you're using Xubuntu 8.04 right?
[21:47] <AJPowell> yeah
[21:47] <AJPowell> hardy heron lol
[21:47] <vinnl> Did you use "    deb http://apt.wicd.net hardy extras" or  "deb http://apt.wicd.net gutsy extras"?
[21:47] <Kardoso> hi
[21:47] <vinnl> Hey Kardoso
[21:48] <AJPowell> havent done that yet. still trying to remove network manager
[21:48] <AJPowell> i have marked the change and its gone red but i cant click apply?
[21:48] <vinnl> AJPowell, ah, you don't have to do that manually now
[21:48] <vinnl> Hmm, that's odd though
[21:48] <AJPowell> oh ok. lol im a n00b
[21:48] <vinnl> No problem :)
[21:49] <Kardoso> Can I install Xubuntu to this computer: 1 GB RAM, Intel Celeron but the harddisk is so small there, I only can give 2 GB space maximum. Can I install Xubuntu there?
[21:49] <vinnl> Kardoso, that's going to be difficult
[21:50] <vinnl> Kardoso, at http://www.xubuntu.org/get#requirements you can read "To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk."
[21:50] <Kardoso> Hmm. thanks
[21:50] <vinnl> Kardoso, however, you'll have very little room left for documents and applications
[21:50] <Kardoso> I will try to make more free space
[21:50] <AJPowell> sorry vinnl, when i go to settings>repositories it is greyed out
[21:50] <zoredache> the answer is yes, but you can't get everything...  the livecd fits onto a CD
[21:51] <vinnl> AJPowell, are you running with adminstration (root) rights?
[21:51] <AJPowell> im not sure
[21:51] <AJPowell> this is the only account i have set up
[21:52] <AJPowell> i dont think it asked me if i wanted it to have admin privilidges
[21:52] <Kardoso> Vinnl, if I replace the documents to an mobile HDD, I'll get more +1 GB free space. Can I install Xubuntu if I can give maximum 3 GB space?
[21:52] <vinnl> AJPowell, to be sure, can you press Alt+F2 and run "gksudo synaptic"?
[21:52] <vinnl> Kardoso, well, that means you have 1,5GB left to store your documents and install some stuff on - it's not very much
[21:53] <Kardoso> Vinnl I dont want store any documents
[21:53] <vinnl> zoredache, btw, is that 1,5GB correct?
[21:53] <Kardoso> I store my documents on a big mobile HDD
[21:53] <Kardoso> (500 GB)
[21:54] <Kardoso> How can I backup my Xubuntu?
[21:54] <vinnl> Right... Well, it would work out but it wouldn't be a comfortable experience :P
[21:54] <vinnl> Kardoso, you have several backup applications
[21:54] <zoredache> vinnl: I don't know...
[21:54] <vinnl> I've tried sbackup and that worked well :)
[21:54] <vinnl> zoredache, too bad :)
[21:54] <Kardoso> Please should me one
[21:54] <zoredache> Kardoso: what filesystem is your big hd?
[21:55] <Kardoso> NTFS
[21:55] <zoredache> ah, and that is where you where planning on making backups?
[21:55] <Kardoso> yes
[21:56] <Kardoso> Can Acronis (from boot CD) backup the Linux file system?
[21:56] <zoredache> I really like using dirvish for backups, but the backup device must something like ext2/3.
[21:56] <zoredache> Kardoso: Any linux livecd should be able to backup a linux system
[21:56] <Kardoso> so if I make an ext2/3 partition then I can backup there?
[21:56] <zoredache> all the livecd has to do is have support for both your drive, and external drive
[21:57] <Kardoso> Zoredeache: thanks
[21:57] <zoredache> then you mount the source and destination and do something like tar -czf /soource/backup.tar.gz /mainfs
[21:57] <Kardoso> thanks
[21:57] <vinnl> Kardoso, do you want periodical backups or just a one-time backup?
[21:58] <Kardoso> Just one-time backu
[21:58] <zoredache> if you want an image style backup similar to ghost, then something like partimage should work too
[21:58] <charlie-tca> AJPowell: Been a long time, set MTU in you /etc/network/interfaces file using mtu 1492
[21:58] <vinnl> Kardoso, then zoredache's suggestion should work fine :)
[21:59] <Kardoso> Zoredache: yes, I want that but I am not sure Ghost or Acronis can backup ext2/3 file system. Can they?
[21:59] <paoligno> hi. i want to buy this notebook: SONY SZ71E/B T7250 2GB 160GB DL 13.3" VHP      . how can i know if it's fully compatible with ubuntu?
[21:59] <paoligno> with Xubuntu
[21:59] <zoredache> Kardoso: I think ghost can backup ext3 with versions later then v 8
[21:59] <paoligno> !laptop
[21:59] <zoredache> which I think means any version after 2000
[21:59] <Kardoso> I have Ghost 9
[22:00] <Kardoso> Ok, thanks all help. I logoff, bye all have a nice day
[22:09] <steven_> i have got a question
[22:09] <steven_> every time i plug in my external drive
[22:09] <steven_> t mounts fine
[22:09] <steven_> but when i right click and press unmount it works fine
[22:09] <steven_> then auto mounts again immediately
[22:10] <steven_> i would like to permanently unmount it until i choose to remount drive
[22:12] <steven_> cody-somerville any ideas?
[22:14] <cody-somerville> steven_, how do you know it is remounting?
[22:14] <steven_> no idea cody
[22:14] <steven_> in /media
[22:15] <steven_> there is two mount points i think
[22:15] <steven_> one is WD passport
[22:15] <steven_> the name of the drive
[22:15] <steven_> the second is WD Passport_
[22:15] <steven_> when drive is connected WD Passport_ has eveything in it
[22:15] <steven_> WD Passport exists whether or not the external is connected
[22:16] <steven_> any ideas?
[22:16] <steven_> i quickly checked forums and launchpad
[22:16] <steven_> should i delete first point?
[22:17] <steven_> i know it remounts cuz as soon as i right click and hit unmount, it pops up in thunar again and displays its contents
[22:17] <steven_> then i can hit unmount again
[22:17] <steven_> but it goes in circles
[22:18] <steven_> i am lost
[22:18] <steven_> i don't wanna lose data
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> winnl u still here?
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> vinnl***
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> can anyone help, when i do iwconfig i see an interface which i didnt set up
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> it says wlan0:avahi
[22:20] <steven_> hmmmm
[22:20] <steven_> you use wireshark?
[22:21] <steven_> or ethereal?
[22:24] <AlexJamesPowell> if there is anyone here who can help with wireless networking can you let me know?
[22:25] <steven_> alex
[22:25] <steven_> did you try to use ethereal or wireshark
[22:25] <steven_> did you do anything under root?
[22:25] <AlexJamesPowell> no i dont know how to get in root
[22:25] <AlexJamesPowell> i used wifi-radar
[22:26] <steven_> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/wireless.html
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> currently using wicd
[22:26] <steven_> wifi-radar?
[22:26] <steven_> hmmm
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> and ive read that thing about 20 times
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> its useless
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> in this situation
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> i am having trouble setting my essid on wlan0 atm
[22:27] <steven_> hmmm
[22:27] <steven_> sorry
[22:27] <steven_> lol
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> i am typing this in terminal: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid WirelessNetwork
[22:27] <steven_> you don't sudo anything?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> AlexJamesPowell: the avahi interface is set up by the operating system.
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> but when i do iwconfig, it still says wlan0 essid off/any
[22:27] <steven_> avahi messed me up once
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> thanks charlie
[22:27] <steven_> lemme think about it real fast
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> wasnt there until today though
[22:34] <AlexJamesPowell> iwconfig
[22:34] <AlexJamesPowell> lol sorry meant to type that in terminal
[22:35] <AlexJamesPowell> am i still connected?
[22:36] <ablomen> yeah
[22:36] <AlexJamesPowell> cool
[22:37] <AlexJamesPowell> anyone know how to see if my device is on or off with the lshw -C network command?
[22:38] <AlexJamesPowell> i cant see where it says on or off?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Try iwlist wlan0 scan
[22:43] <charlie-tca> AlexJamesPowell: you should be able to set the essid using iwconfig wlan0 essid "ssid" putting your ssid in without quotes
[22:43] <AlexJamesPowell> yes i have done that but it isnt storing the essid
[22:43] <AlexJamesPowell> if i type iwconfig wlan0 after doing that it still says essid off/any
[22:44] <AlexJamesPowell> charlie: i done the iwlist and can see my network there
[22:44] <charlie-tca> That means it has to be turned on, and it will take me longer to find.
[22:45] <AlexJamesPowell> what will take you longer to find?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> how to turn it on
[22:45] <AlexJamesPowell> what needs to be turned on then?
[22:46] <AlexJamesPowell> sorry if im being stupid
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Not stupid, they seem like very good questions. The ssid has to be turned on in the wireless card
[22:46] <AlexJamesPowell> oh i see
[22:46] <AlexJamesPowell> it has been set before
[22:47] <AlexJamesPowell> but it loses it or turns it off again or something
[22:47] <charlie-tca> It's just been over 2 years now since I took my cards out of the computers.
[22:48] <AlexJamesPowell> took your wifi cards out?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Yes, I quit using wireless with Dapper 6.06
[22:49] <AlexJamesPowell> lol why too much hassle?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> You can set most things in interfaces, if you know the right wording. I think most of it is in man interfaces.
[22:50] <AlexJamesPowell> ok ill have a look
[22:51] <charlie-tca> in order to set the ssid permanently, you need to experiment a little. sometimes it is essid "aaaa", sometimes it is ssid="aaaa"
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Makes it a lot more difficult.
[22:51] <AlexJamesPowell> i will try ssid
[22:52] <AlexJamesPowell> unknown command "ssid"
[22:52] <charlie-tca> :(
[22:53] <AlexJamesPowell> where do i find interfaces?
[22:53] <AlexJamesPowell> in /dev?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> /etc/network
[22:55] <AlexJamesPowell> http://pastebin.com/d7377a686
[22:55] <AlexJamesPowell> see anything wrong?
[22:55] <vinnl> Yeah, you just posted your WEP key :P
[22:56] <AlexJamesPowell> lol yeah i just noticed that
[22:56] <AlexJamesPowell> good job its low range
[22:56] <AlexJamesPowell> wifi
[22:57] <AlexJamesPowell> according to that the essid is set isnt it?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Yes, if that matches the essid in the router.
[23:01] <AlexJamesPowell> yeah itr does
[23:02] <AlexJamesPowell> do you know what the auto wlan0 bit means?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Supposed to make it auto run on boot
[23:03] <charlie-tca> But, I'm not sure about the address in there if you are using dhcp
[23:05] <AlexJamesPowell> yeah thats what i was thinking
[23:05] <AlexJamesPowell> what should i do, delete it?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Isn't that a static address?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Did you add it?
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> no
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> maybe when i was trying to use wifi-radar
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> but the ip of my router is actually diff. to that one
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> where it says address: thats my ip
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> gateway is my router
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> and i donno the other 1
[23:07] <AlexJamesPowell> what should i do, delete the numbers or the whole line?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> yes, that is correct. That should then be not there, I think. Use # at the beginning of the line to comment it out
[23:08] <charlie-tca> then use /etc/init.d/networking restart to restart networking.
[23:08] <AlexJamesPowell> ok
[23:09] <AlexJamesPowell> when i click save i get writing error
[23:09] <AlexJamesPowell> ermm, is it because im using abiword?
[23:09] <vinnl> AlexJamesPowell, try running "sudo mousepad /etc/network/interfaces" :)
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I have to leave soon. The write error is because root owns the file. Open terminal, use sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces to edit
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Either one, I forget mousepad for some reason. Probably old age?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> The same with the restart, use sudo in front, please
[23:13] <AlexJamesPowell> hmm
[23:13] <AlexJamesPowell> http://pastebin.com/mb0d1e56
[23:13] <charlie-tca> What's that?
[23:14] <AlexJamesPowell> its what happened when i did the restart
[23:15] <AlexJamesPowell> any ideas?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Yep, try Applications -> System -> Network; click that connection, then Properties. What is configuration?
[23:17] <AlexJamesPowell> essid is right, wep is on, key is ther, dhcp is on
[23:18] <charlie-tca> What is Configuration there? Does it say static or ?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> That should be Connections - click on wlan0 - properties
[23:20] <charlie-tca> If it is DHCP, close properties and look under General. What is in Domain name?
[23:23] <MXIIA> Sorry to interrupt, but does Xubuntu allow you to delete
[23:23] <MXIIA> Windows upon installation?
[23:23] <vinnl> MXIIA, yep
[23:23] <dromer> just delete it's partition from the partition-table
[23:24] <MXIIA> ok, thanks vinnl and dromer
[23:24] <charlie-tca> AlexJamesPowell: Did I lose you?\
[23:24] <vinnl> AJP1234567 = AlexJamesPowell?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Am I behind again? I show both names.
[23:25] <vinnl> I can see both too
[23:25] <MXIIA> so can I
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Whew!
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Well anyway, gotta go to my grandson's soccer games now. If he comes back, try to get him to connect without the WEP.
[23:27] <vinnl> charlie-tca, that worked before
[23:27] <vinnl> Anyway, good luck to your grandson charlie-tca :)
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Then the key is wrong in the router, I think. They have to match including case.
[23:29] <AJP1234567> charlie?
[23:29] <vinnl> AJP1234567, he just left
[23:30] <vinnl> AJP1234567, he said that if you can connect without WEP, the WEP key is probably wrong in the router
[23:30] <vinnl> AJP1234567, <charlie-tca> Then the key is wrong in the router, I think. They have to match including case.


[12:14] <LongPointyStick> @schedule sydney
[12:14] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 12 Apr 06:00: Edubuntu | 13 Apr 06:00: MOTU | 13 Apr 06:00: Development Team | 13 Apr 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Apr 06:00: Forum Council | 18 Apr 01:00: Kernel Team
[12:15] <ajmitch> sigh, MOTU meeting
[12:15] <ogra> ah, come on, you still have two days to prepare for it :P
[12:15] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah but it's at 8AM :)
[12:56] <highvoltage> @schudule
[12:56] <highvoltage> @schedule
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[03:03] <poningru> @schedule
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[05:58] <xiaochuan> Hi In the X-window of SHELL: type the command xhost + local:root
[05:58] <xiaochuan> non-network local connections being added to access control list
[05:59] <ScottK> xiaochuan: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[05:59] <xiaochuan> but in the CTRL+ALT+F1 : it return msg: unable to open disply ""    why??? help.
[06:00] <xiaochuan> ScottK: ubuntn 6.06
[06:00] <ScottK> xiaochuan: This is not a help channel.  See #ubuntu for help.
[06:00] <xiaochuan> :(~~ okay
[06:09] <juliux> @schedule
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[06:09] <juliux> @schedule berlin
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[09:51] <pygi> after a long time, hello folks =)
[09:52] <willvdl> pygi, hey
[09:53] <highvoltage> pygi: hi mr SoC
[09:53] <pygi> ergh!
[09:53] <highvoltage> ouch, something just felt like a libburn
[09:55] <pygi> highvoltage, you do understand you are evil, right ;P
[09:56] <highvoltage> pygi: all too well. mhuhahahhahaha.
[10:00] <willvdl> Hi folks, shall we get started?
[10:01] <highvoltage> hi willvdl, RichEd and LaserJock
[10:01] <LaserJock> hi
[10:01] <LaserJock> no ogra?
[10:01] <willvdl> Hey
[10:01] <willvdl> haven't seen him
[10:01] <RichEd> helllo highvoltage ... willvdl will chair tonight & i will be a fly on the wall
[10:02] <highvoltage> cool, I'm also doing some other work (have a very early deadline tomorrow morning)
[10:02] <willvdl> Well let's kick off anyhoo?
[10:03] <willvdl> == Technical ==
[10:04] <stgraber> (Ogra is in #ubuntu-devel but busy with testing the isos I guess)
[10:04] <willvdl> ah.
[10:04] <LaserJock> well, I guess we need .iso testing
[10:04] <willvdl> Who here is busy testing?
[10:05] <willvdl> meaning, not at this very minute :)
[10:06] <willvdl> alrighty, shall we move down the list to Docs?
[10:06] <pygi> sure =)
[10:07] <willvdl> I'm a bit out of touch over the last month
[10:07] <willvdl> LaserJock, anything specific to mention?
[10:07] <LaserJock> ok, well couple things
[10:08] <LaserJock> 1 SoC apps are almost done being evaluated
[10:08] <willvdl> SoC?
[10:08] <LaserJock> Google Summer of Code
[10:08] <willvdl> ah
[10:08] <LaserJock> lots of Edubuntu related applications
[10:08] <LaserJock> hopefully we'll get a few
[10:08] <ajmitch> morning
[10:09] <LaserJock> 2nd thing, Edubuntu doc package
[10:09] <willvdl> hey
[10:09] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[10:09] <LaserJock> edubuntu-docs is pretty much final for Feisty
[10:09] <willvdl> sweet
[10:09] <LaserJock> we added an About Edubuntu menu item in the System menu
[10:09] <highvoltage> the edubuntu universe is eternally grateful for that
[10:09] <LaserJock> we got the Handbook cleared up a bit
[10:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav rocked the house
[10:10] <willvdl> woot
[10:10] <LaserJock> we added TCM and 2nd CD material
[10:10] <pygi> pardon me, may I interrupt with something?
[10:10] <LaserJock> I also got translation templates set up
[10:11] <willvdl> pygi, shoot?
[10:11] <LaserJock> pygi: go for it
[10:11] <pygi> from last SoC we've got couple of nice things which we never got around to packaging
[10:11] <juliux> hi all
[10:11] <pygi> I think we should set some goal for feisty+1 to get those packages
[10:11] <willvdl> pygi, such as?
[10:12] <LaserJock> pygi: we need sources
[10:12] <pygi> LaserJock, willvdl : the quiz thingy from ryan
[10:12] <LaserJock> I asked about that a while back ago and nobody knew where the source was
[10:12] <pygi> LaserJock, they do exist
[10:12] <pygi> LaserJock, I know
[10:12] <pygi> we'll talk about those later then
[10:12] <willvdl> LaserJock, 2nd CD: should I look up in Launchpad for details?
[10:12] <LaserJock> the addon cd
[10:13] <LaserJock> btw, translations for edubuntu docs is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/edubuntu-docs/+translations
[10:13] <willvdl> excellent
[10:14] <willvdl> seems I got some serious catching up to do
[10:14] <LaserJock> also some other good news, sbalneav just got svn access to the Doc team repo
[10:14] <willvdl> sweet
[10:15] <willvdl> other than cbx33, who else has access?
[10:15] <pygi> LaserJock, I need to prove to you I can write docbook, right ? :P
[10:16] <LaserJock> willvdl: actually cbx33 doesn't. it's just nixternal, sbalneav and myself
[10:16] <LaserJock> and also jsgontanco
[10:16] <willvdl> LaserJock, I thought Pete had for ESA?
[10:16] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[10:16] <LaserJock> he just sent me patches
[10:17] <willvdl> oh. anyhoo, how did his book chapter go?
[10:19] <LaserJock> not sure, fine I guess
[10:19] <willvdl> pygi, want to move back to SoC questions?
[10:20] <pygi> willvdl, like what? :)
[10:21] <pygi> I was accepted this year for SoC as a student, but my tasks are not connected to edubuntu in particular
[10:21] <pygi> however as I was mentor last year, I can help and will gladly do so to manage edubuntu students
[10:21] <willvdl> pygi, just looking back..something about sources?
[10:21] <pygi> willvdl, ah, yes, the source's for ryan's work are on sourceforge
[10:22] <willvdl> pygi, that reminds me, want to ask you something afterwards...
[10:22] <willvdl> alrighty, who's here from Artwork?
[10:23] <pygi> willvdl, ofcourse, whatever you need
[10:24] <willvdl> hmm, seems we are attendance challenged tonight :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> pygi: can you perhaps make an Edubuntu SoC page where we list projects and links to sources?
[10:25] <pygi> LaserJock, for this year?
[10:25] <pygi> LaserJock, TBH not needed. Google has requirements to post all projects sources to google hosting
[10:26] <willvdl> maybe still link via LP or something
[10:26] <pygi> from last year, it was Amaranth with willow-ng and ryan with his quiz thingy
[10:27] <pygi> willvdl, well, last year I wanted my mentors to write a official spec in LP and open a product
[10:27] <pygi> this year you should do the same IMHO
[10:28] <willvdl> well, at the least we can get something going on the wiki as LaserJock suggests
[10:30] <willvdl> next on the list is Websites
[10:30] <willvdl> I see the Ubuntu site was upgraded while I was gone
[10:30] <RichEd> yep ... matt nuzum's work
[10:31] <highvoltage> yep. RichEd said last week that themes are being designed for the Edubuntu website too, sot htat the sites look consistent.
[10:31] <RichEd> to fill you in, he is producing a drupal template for other variants
[10:31] <RichEd> highvoltage: yes.
[10:31] <willvdl> cool
[10:32] <highvoltage> RichEd: will the education website still take place?
[10:32] <willvdl> Will need to look again at what goes on web and what goes on wiki
[10:32] <RichEd> highvoltage: yes, needing more time to get around to it :(
[10:32] <highvoltage> ah
[10:33] <highvoltage> time is a scarce resource
[10:33] <willvdl> highvoltage, only if you sleep
[10:33] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'll sleep when I'm dead ;)
[10:35] <willvdl> alrighty, coming up to "Community"
[10:36] <willvdl> Who's coming to UES?
[10:37] <highvoltage> willvdl: can we have a session to brainstorm on expanding the edubuntu community?
[10:37] <LaserJock> I'm coming!
[10:37] <RichEd> highvoltage: we will have one at UES ... chaired by jono
[10:37] <willvdl> highvoltage, sure. you mean at UES or IRC?
[10:37] <highvoltage> LaserJock: right channel? :p
[10:37] <willvdl> :)
[10:38] <highvoltage> willvdl: preferably UES, but either way.
[10:38] <highvoltage> kinky.
[10:38] <willvdl> my eyes
[10:38] <LaserJock> my goodness
[10:38] <LaserJock> I just can't say anything today
[10:38] <highvoltage> I should actually be careful what I say, we might just end up in a room together again :)
[10:39] <LaserJock> it's like 4th grade all over again
[10:39] <highvoltage> LaserJock: some of us have trouble moving on :)
[10:39] <highvoltage> are we hijacking the meeting?
[10:39] <highvoltage> back to community then :)
[10:39] <willvdl> I'm too shocked to type
[10:40] <highvoltage> willvdl: you? shocked?! I didn't realise we were /that/ bad ;)
[10:41] <willvdl> no, I actually physically shocked myself. don't ask
[10:41] <highvoltage> did you touch my nick?
[10:41] <LaserJock> *now* who's being kinky? ;-p
[10:41] <willvdl> highvoltage, you want a community session before UES?
[10:42] <highvoltage> willvdl: perhaps a preliminary one before it, possibly even during one of our usual IRC meetings (with warning on the mailing lists)
[10:42] <willvdl> cool. good idea
[10:42] <highvoltage> willvdl: and then we have a face-to-face meeting in UES and bash out some ideas based on previous discussions
[10:42] <RichEd> highvoltage: do you want to start a wiki page ?
[10:42] <RichEd> and i can add it to the discussions for UES
[10:42] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes, that sounds like a good idea
[10:44] <willvdl> okie, lets pop something on the list and chat in one of the meetings
[10:44] <highvoltage> ok
[10:44] <willvdl> I think the 8pm UTC meetings are easier for most to attend?
[10:45] <willvdl> but then only really two opportunities left so maybe enxt week
[10:45] <willvdl> highvoltage, this is one
[10:45] <RichEd> we have more attendance at the midday ones lately
[10:45] <highvoltage> willvdl: ah ok
[10:46] <willvdl> moving on: Mngmt & Planning?
[10:46] <RichEd> willvdl: just UES from my side ... let me get the launchpad page ... brb
[10:47] <willvdl> cool
[10:47] <RichEd> https://launchpad.net/sprints/ues-sevilla-2007
[10:47] <RichEd> create & add meetings here ... and make a wiki page link for comments / input
[10:49] <willvdl> are these official scheduled meetings for the UES programme?
[10:49] <RichEd> those are the list of potential BOFs yes
[10:49] <RichEd> we may add / remove / refine ... but that is the start
[10:49] <willvdl> ah. gotcha
[10:50] <RichEd> also presentations from a lot of people ... am adding to the UES wiki page tomorrow morning
[10:50] <willvdl> can they link to UDS BoFs as things progress? Haven't played with the LP meeting functionality yet
[10:50] <RichEd> not sure ... will find out :)
[10:51] <willvdl> no biggy
[10:52] <willvdl> "Any other Matters Arising"?
[10:52] <willvdl> Shall we wrap this up on the hour?
[10:52] <RichEd> fine with me
[10:53] <willvdl> going to take a little research
[10:53] <RichEd> where did you see that willvdl
[10:55] <willvdl> RichEd, looking again
[10:55] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs
[10:55] <juliux> ajmitch, +1
[10:55] <highvoltage> ajmitch: at least you'll be at UDS :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> highvoltage: yeah, thankfully
[10:55] <highvoltage> ajmitch: btw, I think I know your #1 fan ;)
[10:55] <ajmitch> highvoltage: I have fans?
[10:55] <ajmitch> news to me
[10:55] <LaserJock> I can believe it
[10:56] <ajmitch> let's take this elsewhere ;)
[10:56] <highvoltage> :)
[10:56] <willvdl> highvoltage, is it you?
[10:56] <highvoltage> willvdl: someone who works with me
[10:57] <highvoltage> can't stop talking about ajmitch and things that he learns from him.
[10:57] <ajmitch> hah
[10:57] <willvdl> [10:58] <willvdl> highvoltage, just work harder then
[10:58] <highvoltage> willvdl: that's the plan
[11:00] <willvdl> alrighty, I'm heading back to #ed
[11:00] <RichEd> thanks all ...
[11:02] <highvoltage> goodnight RichEd
[11:02] <RichEd> you 2 highvoltage