[01:22] <sandra_> Hello everyone :-)
[01:22] <sandra_> Hope everyone here is having a G'day or G'night.
[01:25] <Charybdis> Hi, sandra_.
[01:25] <sandra_> Charybdis: Hello
[01:26] <sandra_> I was wondering if anyone here would please tell me if I can add the Linuxmint menu to Xubuntu ?
[01:27] <Charybdis> That's a good question.
[01:28] <Charybdis> Are you talking about the kde menu from mint?
[01:28] <Charybdis> Or a xfce menu?
[01:28] <sandra_> Hopefully there is a good answer to go along with that good question lol
[01:28] <sandra_> Well I'm  referring to Linuxmint11 gnome menu.
[01:29] <Charybdis> Probably not, since it's Gnome and you are using xfce.
[01:29] <sandra_> Yes but Linuxmint has a LMDebian edition.
[01:29] <Charybdis> Is the menu the same?
[01:29]  * Charybdis has used CentOS, CollegeLinux, Debian, Fedora Core, Mandrake, OpenSuSE, PCLinuxOS, RedHat, Slackware, Slamd64, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions.  I currently run Ubuntu 10.04 LTS as my primary Operating System.
[01:30] <Charybdis> I've not tried Mint yet.
[01:30] <sandra_> Mint is a wonderful distro
[01:30]  * Charybdis says that the absolute best GUI/Desktop or distro in the world... is the one that fits *YOUR* needs.  :)
[01:30] <pleia2> a lot of things are possible in linux, but I doubt it would be easy or maintainable
[01:31] <sandra_> But I find that Xubuntu runs extremely well on my laptop.
[01:31] <pleia2> (but I'm not familiar with mint or gnome either)
[01:32] <pleia2> is there a particular functionality from the menu that you're looking to get in xubuntu?
[01:32] <charlie-tca> I would guess if the menu is 100% freedesktop.org compatible, it would be possible
[01:32] <charlie-tca> at least in Xubuntu 11.04
[01:32] <charlie-tca> anything less than 11.04, no way
[01:33]  * charlie-tca has no idea what menu system mint uses
[01:33] <sandra_> I don't care for gnome 3 I find it confusing counter productive and enjoy the flexiability of Xfce perhaps it can fill the gap that gnome 2 has left behind.
[01:35] <charlie-tca> What about pleia2
[01:36] <charlie-tca> What about pleia2's question? Is there something missing in the current menu?
[01:36] <Charybdis> Gnome3 has completely ruined me on Gnome.  But, I won't go into a flame war.
[01:39] <charlie-tca> hm, doesn't seem to be
[01:41] <Unit193> I think Mint made their own menu
[05:15] <djwhisper> Hello
[05:33] <lighta> hi
[06:56] <sandra_> Hello everyone
[06:57] <sandra_> I hope everyones day is either starting or ending on a good note
[07:02] <sandra_> This is my 1st time using Xubuntu and I would like to know if there is any way to add 2 items ? 1. Linuxmint menu and 2.Compiz ?
[07:03] <orngjce223> Try #xfce first and /maybe/ #ubuntu second, but it's late on a weekday night and I know of nobody directly that can answer your question authoritatively.
[07:04] <Unit193> sandra_: The linux mint menu is a Mint only thing (unless you really want to add a repo) And I don't remember how well Compiz works in Xubuntu (emerald doesn't work in 11.04)
[07:05] <Unit193> I have never tested it, but if you REALLY want it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/install-linux-mint-main-menu-mintmenu.html
[07:06] <sandra_> Thanks the reason I wanted to add LM menu is because there is LMXfce edition and thought if that edition of Xfce could use LM menu perhaps Xubuntu could too.
[07:06] <sandra_> and yes compiz for the eye candy effects .
[07:08] <sandra_> Unit193, Thank you so much I will read it :-)
[07:09] <Unit193> sandra_: It says it's not built for Natty (I'm guessing that's what you are using, correct?), but as you can see here, it is https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/webupd8?field.series_filter=natty
[07:11] <sandra_> Unit193, I am using Xubuntu 11.04 so I would say it's based on Natty. Excuse my ignorance on this point I'm new to Linux and Linuxmint.
[07:12] <sandra_> Unit193, Would you happen to know if Compiz 0.8.6 would work on Xubuntu ?
[07:13] <sandra_> I know others have downgraded to that version on Ubuntu Natty.
[07:13] <Unit193> I'm sorry, I don't remember how Xubuntu stands on Compiz
[07:15] <sandra_> Unit193, Thank you kindly for your help. I figure if I blow anything up I can just reload Xubuntu.
[07:16] <Unit193> sandra_: From what it looks like, Compiz should work
[07:16] <Unit193> !compiz
[07:18] <sandra_> ubottu, Thank you very much :-)
[09:10] <xubuntu-noob> hey !
[09:10] <xubuntu-noob> how do I make the bottom bar appear constantly ?
[09:10] <xubuntu-noob> right now, as default setting, it always hides
[09:21] <TheSheep> xubuntu-noob: you disable the checkbox next to "Automatically show and hide the panel" in its preferences
[09:22] <xubuntu-noob> wow.... I don't know how I had not found this.
[09:22] <xubuntu-noob> Thanks TheSheep !
[09:22] <TheSheep> it's easy to skip because it's such a long text
[09:23] <TheSheep> so it doesn't scan
[09:23] <xubuntu-noob> hehe yeah :P
[09:23] <xubuntu-noob> Now something else : my mounted CIFS devices don't show automatically on Desktop
[09:23] <xubuntu-noob> How can I activate that behaviour ?
[09:24]  * TheSheep doesn't know
[10:06] <aatk> xubuntu-noob: have you looked in  settings>settings manager>desktop, I think there's a behaviour tab that has some options for that type of stuff
[10:07] <aatk> you might be able to select something there, failing that, can you not create a shortcut to the device from within the filemanager or similar?
[11:28] <xubuntu-noob> aatk, I just searched the whole settings tab and found nothing :/
[15:54] <charlie-tca> UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 6 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:37] <vaalir> would kdropbox work with xubuntu?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Why wouldn't you use "dropbox" instead?
[18:38] <vaalir> tried installing dropbox with ninite installer, but it failed
[18:39] <vaalir> ninite isnt complete yet, but dropbox shows in my applications. wait until ninite completes and try it?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I just used http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall to install it
[18:39] <vaalir> weird, since it says it failed.
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I don't need nautilus or konqi or anything else
[18:39] <charlie-tca> It works with thunar
[18:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know what ninite is, but maybe it just doesn't work right
[18:40]  * charlie-tca thinks it is always best to let things complete before deciding if they work or not
[18:40] <orngjce223> ninite is a scripted installer, I think
[18:40] <vaalir> its a lazy mans tool! :D
[18:40] <vaalir> http://ninite.com/linux/
[18:40] <vaalir> yeah, ill let it complete and take it from there
[18:40] <charlie-tca> lazy mans tool == broken installations most times
[18:40] <orngjce223> I get the same thing done by maintaining a script with apt-get [packages I like].
[18:41] <orngjce223> Simpler and much much less prone to breakage.
[18:41] <vaalir> that wasnt a dumb idea! making a script with everything i need
[18:41] <charlie-tca> sounds like one of those things you get to go to them and ask about too
[18:41] <vaalir> would just be full og sudo apt-get lines, right?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> !info ninite
[18:42] <vaalir> if it doesnt work, ill browse the dropbox forums :) but this script stuff, hard to make?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Whatever it is, it is unsupported here
[18:44] <vaalir> seems like it works, lucky this time i guess :)
[18:44] <orngjce223> vaalir: p. much.
[18:44] <vaalir> but could you link me a good webpage with a tutorial for making a script like orngjce223 talked about?
[18:45] <vaalir> im a complete boob when it comes to linuz
[18:45] <vaalir> x
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since he has it
[18:45] <orngjce223> The correct pronoun is female. :v
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I can't, no. Maybe orngjce223 can, since she has it
[18:45] <orngjce223> How 'bout I pastebin the first several lines and you just substitute in what you want?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> I apologize, it is just hard to tell on this
[18:46] <orngjce223> No problem
[18:46]  * pleia2 is a fan of the singular they :)
[18:46] <vaalir> we can try that orngjce223 ;) thanks!
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Thanks for the reminder, pleia2
[18:47]  * charlie-tca really dislikes the s/h/e thing seen at times
[18:47] <orngjce223> 's fine
[18:47] <orngjce223> The English language is biased towards male assumptions anyway
[18:47] <orngjce223> I won't complain.
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, true
[18:48] <orngjce223> I have friends that require the pronouns "te", "ter", and "tim". It's almost amusing.
[18:48] <orngjce223> But look at me yakking, I should dig out that script
[18:48] <vaalir> take your time :D i've got no rush
[18:49] <charlie-tca> vaalir: normally, we try to help as much as possible. However, some of those automated script things are downright dangerous when you run them.
[18:50] <vaalir> ok, understood! might give you something you dont have control over i guess. i assumed this one was safe, since it was a news-post on lifehacker
[18:51] <orngjce223> give me moments
[18:51] <orngjce223> I've just gotta add some comments and it should be ready soon
[18:51]  * vaalir gives orngjce223 moments
[18:52] <Sysi> there really is something simpler than installing .deb? (exept .rpm with yum, wish apt had localinstall)
[19:00] <orngjce223> http://pastebin.com/3ERT3yFr
[19:00] <vaalir> many thanks! i will take a look at it and see what i can make of it <3
[19:01] <vaalir> ok, so i just have to make a file name install.sh and use those types of commands?
[19:02] <orngjce223> Well
[19:02] <orngjce223> The # are comments, so you can literally copy this entire file to install.sh and edit from there
[19:02] <orngjce223> Obviously you'll need to change the package selection, and check that the package names are correct
[19:03] <orngjce223> But the Wait
[19:03] <orngjce223> Wait
[19:03] <orngjce223> Okay it should be #!/bin/sh
[19:03] <orngjce223> I am silly
[19:03] <orngjce223> :v
[19:03] <orngjce223> But yeah that's the only /required/ line, the #!/bin/sh at the beginning
[19:03] <orngjce223> After that you can technically do what you like
[19:04] <orngjce223> I just structure the file so it's easy to read and modify.
[19:04] <orngjce223> also the python-software-properties is only there to make apt-add-repository exist
[19:04] <orngjce223> If you don't need it, you don't need to bother installing it either.
[19:04] <vaalir> ok, yes i think i understand. i will just add what i know works and need
[19:04] <orngjce223> Well, you'll probably want to remove the lowlatency kernel reference
[19:04] <orngjce223> 95% of people don't need it
[19:05] <orngjce223> only useful in serious audio processing etc.
[19:05] <vaalir> but for adding lines in the repository? like installing XBMC, i usually have to add some lines to the repository
[19:05] <orngjce223> Yeah
[19:05] <orngjce223> That's what apt-add-repository is
[19:05] <orngjce223> Also you'll have to apt-key afterwards
[19:05] <orngjce223> I'll find you the instructions
[19:05] <orngjce223> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1047353.html
[19:06] <orngjce223> They should have similar instructions on the XBMC website
[19:07] <vaalir> guess they would, now i have something to start with at least :D thank you very much, a script seems VERY nice to have lying around
[19:07] <orngjce223> Awesome
[19:07] <orngjce223> You're welcome
[19:09] <vaalir> now for another question, and pardon for asking so much at once.. but i can't seem to connect to my windows desktop. it tells me it failed to retrieve  share list from server
[19:09] <orngjce223> Hmm, that's probably a SMB/Samba interaction problem, but I'm not familiar with that subsystem so I can't tell you much about it
[19:10] <vaalir> i will consult the oracle then.
[19:11] <orngjce223> You might try #ubuntu, this is not an xubuntu specific problem
[19:12] <vaalir> well, since k\x\buntu is basiccly the same thing, i should most of the time direct my questions there?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I would ask here first, there is less traffic and you often get answered sooner
[19:13] <charlie-tca> but it is personal choice :)
[19:13] <charlie-tca> sometimes you wait a lot longer here, too
[19:16] <vaalir> thanks :D
[19:17] <orngjce223> Well, I am not the normal IRC idler, I actually try to answer questions, tho' mostly my answers consist of "someone at ___ could help you better"
[19:18] <orngjce223> But I /do/ try to get back as soon as possible
[19:19] <vaalir> getting directed to somewhere else usually is a good solution, if its a place with people who knows their stuff really good :D
[19:20] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[19:20] <orngjce223> But maybe that's just my personality
[19:55] <Derpadong> hm.
[20:32] <vooze> Hey guys.. I use docky and Xubuntu 11.04.. but i want to add the "applications menu" to my dock.. how can i do this?
[20:33] <orngjce223> I honestly have no idea. You could ask #xfce ?
[20:33] <vooze> Ah guess i will do that, just hoping someone in here, had been in the same situation ;)
[20:35] <charlie-tca> vooze: please do not post to more than one channel at a time
[20:36] <charlie-tca> oh, sorry, I guess you did not do that
[20:36] <Sysi> docky is the *really* simple dock?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> applications menu is a panel applet, I don't know that it can go into the "docky"
[20:38] <Sysi> you could try AWN, it's simple with that (except it gives you menu with gnome-settings stuff but you can deal with it)
[20:38] <vooze> Hehe.. i just want to allmost remove the panel and just use dock.. i only use panel (thats hidden) for wifi, and system messages)
[20:39] <Sysi> systray (notification area) is aso easy on AWN
[20:39] <Sysi> *also
[20:39] <Sysi> !info avant-window-navigator
[20:40] <vooze> hmm. i just really like docky.. it runs sooo smooth
[20:40] <Sysi> any dock should
[20:40] <vooze> well cairo was a big "too heavy" I think.. thats why i choose docky
[20:40] <charlie-tca> vooze: what about using the right-click on the desktop for the menus?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> It doesn't have to be a menu button at all
[20:41] <Sysi> AWN isn't nearly as complicated as cairo, it ran well on weaker machine too
[20:41] <vooze> charlie-tca: yeah i guess that would do, but i still would like the other solution also ;)
[21:05] <looonger> hi
[21:06] <looonger> does xubuntu depend much on gnome libs?
[21:07] <beardygnome> not too much, i don't think
[21:08] <charlie-tca> As much as it needs to make it work
[21:08] <beardygnome> less and less as time goes by
[21:09] <Thermi> gn8
[21:09] <looonger> it used to be very gnome-dependant
[21:10] <beardygnome> a lot of work has been done to remove gnome libs where possible
[21:11] <Zergreth> hello everybody
[21:11] <Zergreth> linux newcomer here, and i just wanted to ask if xubuntu is a good choice for a stone aged laptop (mobility amd 64 3000+ running at 800 mhz, 512mb ram)
[21:13] <beardygnome> xubuntu should work ok on that hardware
[21:13] <Zergreth> the question is, would it work well?
[21:13] <Zergreth> i also thought about getting lubuntu instead, but i'm not sure
[21:13] <beardygnome> but it depends what you want to do with the laptop
[21:13] <Zergreth> not much
[21:13] <Zergreth> get familiar with linux first
[21:14] <Zergreth> got the laptop from my neighbor and i'd like to use it as a backup computer in case mine goes down the wooloo
[21:14] <Zergreth> just for basic internet access, listening to music maybe, and some office stuff
[21:14] <beardygnome> i believe that lubuntu is more lightweight than xubuntu
[21:14] <Zergreth> i heard it is, aye
[21:15] <beardygnome> but xubuntu is a more mature distribution, so would be perhaps more familiar to you
[21:15] <Zergreth> okay
[21:15] <Zergreth> well, i can always try both i guess
[21:15] <beardygnome> that said, lubuntu is moving pretty fast atm and i've not looked at it in a while
[21:15] <Zergreth> i'll go with xubuntu first, and if that works well, i'll stick with it ;p
[21:16] <Zergreth> alright, thanks
[21:16] <Unit193> Lubuntu is looking sweet(!) in 11.04! And looking even better for 11.10!
[21:16] <beardygnome> no problem - hope it all goes well for you, whichever distro you choose
[21:17] <Zergreth> i wouldn't mind a second opinion. which would you choose, Unit193?
[21:18] <Unit193> Zergreth: It's all personal choice, I can't exactly tell you what you should pick. I would try both and see what you like, but I might think LXDE would do just a little better
[21:18] <Zergreth> alrighty, thanks
[21:18] <Unit193> I love both Lubuntu and Xubuntu, but Lubuneu is more lightweight while Xubuntu is easier to configure
[21:19] <Zergreth> oh coincidence. the lubuntu screenshots page features one where blender's short "Sintel" can be seen. i'm in love with that
[21:19] <beardygnome> i would expect better performance from lubuntu
[21:20] <Zergreth> well, i'm quite good with computers in general, i've been coding for several years and will begin studying computer science this year. i hope i won't be having lots of trouble with linux :)
[21:20] <beardygnome> but the trade-off might be a desktop that's not quite as you want it
[21:20] <Zergreth> when you say xubuntu is easier to configure, do you mean lubuntu is hard even for people used to linux, or hard for people not used to it?
[21:21] <Zergreth> beardygnome, the screenshots show a generic wallpaper, a taskbar-like thingy and some windows floating around. what else do i need? :p
[21:21] <beardygnome> do you want the ability to connect to network shares?
[21:22] <beardygnome> for example
[21:22] <Zergreth> uhm
[21:22] <Zergreth> what do you mean by "network shares"?
[21:23] <Zergreth> sorry, language barrier; i'm german :)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> NFS, windows files, etc
[21:23] <beardygnome> do you want to be able to get files from another server or computer that is connected to your network?
[21:24] <Zergreth> i don't necessarily need that, nope
[21:24] <beardygnome> xubuntu is able to do that, i don't think that lubuntu can
[21:25] <Zergreth> i don't think i care, so that's alright
[21:25] <Zergreth> any other notable differences?
[21:25] <beardygnome> not that i can think of, but i haven't used lubuntu in a while
[21:26] <Zergreth> okay
[21:26] <Zergreth> well, i'll just give it a try, and if i'm not happy with it, i'll try xubuntu as well :)
[21:26] <beardygnome> i think you have to configure lubuntu by changing configuration files a lot
[21:26] <beardygnome> xubuntu has a lot more gui-based configuration
[21:26] <Zergreth> i really don't mind config files
[21:27] <beardygnome> you might learn more from that anyway
[21:27] <Zergreth> even on windows i prefer them over guis, and i use the command line to do many common tasks
[21:27] <beardygnome> sounds like you'll do weel with linux then :-)
[21:27] <beardygnome> *well
[21:27] <Unit193> Lubuntu has lxappearance, but else it's an xml file
[21:28] <Unit193> Lubuntu does support shares, but not as easy as it is in Xubuntu
[21:28] <Zergreth> it really doesn't sound like i'll be having many problems with it
[21:28] <Zergreth> alright, thanks guys. i gotta go; bye!
[21:28] <Unit193> Adios!
[22:16] <rynx>  /join #documentfoundation
[22:16] <charlie-tca> rynx: no space in front of /
[22:16] <rynx> Ah, jeez; thanks
[22:17] <charlie-tca> blame the keyboard, it might add spaces at the wrong times


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[00:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdb build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdb/6/
[00:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_frameworkintegration build #338: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_frameworkintegration/338/
[00:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kfind build #15: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kfind/15/
[00:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kproperty build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kproperty/6/
[00:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_frameworkintegration build #191: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_frameworkintegration/191/
[00:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kproperty build #3: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kproperty/3/
[00:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdb build #5: STILL FAILING in 24 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdb/5/
[00:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_marble build #73: STILL FAILING in 24 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_marble/73/
[00:36] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_plasma-sdk build #43: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_plasma-sdk/43/
[00:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_plasma-sdk build #168: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_plasma-sdk/168/
[00:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_ktp-auth-handler build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_ktp-auth-handler/35/
[00:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_okteta build #126: STILL FAILING in 38 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_okteta/126/
[00:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kexi build #14: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kexi/14/
[00:47]  * clivejo kicks yakkety around the chat room like a football
[00:48] <valorie> why are they failing?
[00:48] <clivejo> something to do with symbols and I cant figure it out :(
[00:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_print-manager build #214: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_print-manager/214/
[00:51] <valorie> :(
[00:52] <clivejo> time for bed, good night
[00:53] <valorie> sweet dreams, clivejo
[01:03] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kopete build #33: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kopete/33/
[01:03] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdiagram build #34: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdiagram/34/
[01:03] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kopete build #132: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kopete/132/
[01:16] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_breeze-icons build #48: STILL FAILING in 10 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_breeze-icons/48/
[01:19] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkcddb build #103: FAILURE in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkcddb/103/
[01:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkcddb build #110: FAILURE in 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkcddb/110/
[01:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkcompactdisc build #76: FAILURE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkcompactdisc/76/
[01:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_konqueror build #30: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_konqueror/30/
[01:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_konqueror build #30: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_konqueror/30/
[01:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_cantor build #134: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_cantor/134/
[01:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_umbrello build #137: NOW UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_umbrello/137/
[01:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdb build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdb/4/
[01:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_audiocd-kio build #25: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_audiocd-kio/25/
[01:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kirigami build #78: FAILURE in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kirigami/78/
[01:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkcompactdisc build #57: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkcompactdisc/57/
[01:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_breeze-icons build #313: FAILURE in 28 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_breeze-icons/313/
[01:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_breeze-icons build #235: STILL FAILING in 28 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_breeze-icons/235/
[01:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kirigami build #71: FAILURE in 13 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kirigami/71/
[01:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kalzium build #129: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kalzium/129/
[01:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkcddb build #104: STILL FAILING in 13 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkcddb/104/
[01:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kstars build #181: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kstars/181/
[01:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_marble build #50: STILL FAILING in 35 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_marble/50/
[01:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_marble build #74: STILL FAILING in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_marble/74/
[01:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkcddb build #111: STILL FAILING in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkcddb/111/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkcompactdisc build #77: STILL FAILING in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkcompactdisc/77/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_marble build #65: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_marble/65/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_libkexiv2 build #42: FIXED in 45 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_libkexiv2/42/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_frameworkintegration build #339: STILL FAILING in 30 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_frameworkintegration/339/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_frameworkintegration build #192: STILL FAILING in 29 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_frameworkintegration/192/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_networkmanager-qt build #50: FIXED in 45 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_networkmanager-qt/50/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kproperty build #4: STILL FAILING in 26 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kproperty/4/
[01:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kproperty build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 26 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kproperty/4/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_umbrello build #154: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_umbrello/154/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_cantor build #240: STILL UNSTABLE in 26 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_cantor/240/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_libkcddb build #36: FAILURE in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_libkcddb/36/
 Y'all get Harald's message?
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_frameworkintegration build #43: STILL FAILING in 47 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_frameworkintegration/43/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdesdk-thumbnailers build #36: FIXED in 46 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdesdk-thumbnailers/36/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kreport build #8: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kreport/8/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kstars build #42: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kstars/42/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdb build #6: STILL FAILING in 27 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdb/6/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kirigami build #79: STILL FAILING in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kirigami/79/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_krita build #8: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 43 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_krita/8/
[01:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_jovie build #48: FIXED in 46 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_jovie/48/
[01:52] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_libkcompactdisc build #37: FAILURE in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_libkcompactdisc/37/
[01:53] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_breeze-icons build #314: STILL FAILING in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_breeze-icons/314/
[01:56] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kirigami build #72: STILL FAILING in 13 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kirigami/72/
[01:57] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_marble build #51: STILL FAILING in 13 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_marble/51/
[01:57] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_audiocd-kio build #81: FAILURE in 7 min 37 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_audiocd-kio/81/
[01:59] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_audiocd-kio build #78: FAILURE in 10 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_audiocd-kio/78/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kfind build #21: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kfind/21/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_khtml build #144: STILL FAILING in 36 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_khtml/144/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kstars build #314: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kstars/314/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_okteta build #127: STILL FAILING in 36 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_okteta/127/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_ktp-auth-handler build #181: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_ktp-auth-handler/181/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkipi build #108: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkipi/108/
[02:01] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_cantor build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_cantor/38/
[02:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_libkcddb build #37: STILL FAILING in 5 min 39 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_libkcddb/37/
[02:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_marble build #66: STILL FAILING in 7 min 9 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_marble/66/
[02:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_libkcompactdisc build #38: STILL FAILING in 5 min 38 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_libkcompactdisc/38/
[02:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kirigami build #20: FAILURE in 5 min 2 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kirigami/20/
[02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kreport build #5: STILL FAILING in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kreport/5/
[02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_audiocd-kio build #79: STILL FAILING in 5 min 36 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_audiocd-kio/79/
[02:09] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kreport build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kreport/6/
[02:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_frameworkintegration build #44: STILL FAILING in 13 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_frameworkintegration/44/
[02:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akonadi build #225: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akonadi/225/
[02:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_ktp-auth-handler build #229: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_ktp-auth-handler/229/
[02:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_audiocd-kio build #82: STILL FAILING in 9 min 35 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_audiocd-kio/82/
[02:13] <DarinMiller> Nope, what was Harald's message?
 DarinMiller, acheronuk, wxl, clivejo, ahoneybun: First come first serve! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-December/011045.html :D
[02:19] <[Relic]> is plasma 5.8 available for 16.10 yet?
 [Relic]: Nope, please be patient. :)
 I mean if you want to be adventurous, yeah, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[02:20] <[Relic]> these bugs are just getting annoying, have to reboot again
 http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/
 [Relic]: If you want to help us test, go ahead. :)
 Just know it might kill your kittens..
[02:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kexi build #20: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kexi/20/
[02:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_korganizer build #34: STILL UNSTABLE in 20 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_korganizer/34/
[02:22] <[Relic]> how many will it kill?
[02:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #49: FAILURE in 32 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/49/
 1 or 2... :P
 I don't know, we have to find out!
[02:30] <DarinMiller> [Relic]: I have updated 7 installs with almost no issues.  Rik discovered that non-admin users cannot be added with applying the patch Simon just posted.  That's the only issue that I have seen reported.  (But now we have a fix for it.)
[02:30] <DarinMiller> without applying^
 DarinMiller: So you call dibs or no? :)
[02:32] <[Relic]> I am the only one on my computer, so not a problem there
[02:34] <DarinMiller> I would love to try but I only have a rough idea how to fix.  I assume we download the source, download the patch, update the debian/patches file and push it is back.
[02:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kirigami build #21: STILL FAILING in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kirigami/21/
[02:34] <DarinMiller> Or maybe we use quilt?
 Yes quilt. :)
[02:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kwin build #82: STILL FAILING in 43 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kwin/82/
[02:34] <DarinMiller> I have only read about it. ...
[02:35]  * DarinMiller searching for quilt link in his infiinite guideline BM's list.....
[02:37]  * DarinMiller adding https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt to his already long list of packagin guild lines....
 Nononononononononono
 The only good guide :P
 https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/08/08/how-to-use-quilt-to-manage-patches-in-debian-packages/
[02:38] <DarinMiller> #@$(*@$ is one supposed to know all this stuff....
[02:39] <[Relic]> learn by osmosis, duct tape the monitor to your head before going to sleep with the proper pages open
[02:40] <DarinMiller> :)
 Yeah that's how we all learn XD
 You know you got it when you dream about it for a week straight...
 (dammit Kubuntu :P)
[02:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_khtml build #145: STILL FAILING in 34 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_khtml/145/
[02:41] <[Relic]> does plasma 5.8 allow multi-seat monitor set ups?
[02:44] <[Relic]> time to reboot and see if this computer still works  :)
[02:44] <DarinMiller> [Relic]: Sorry, I don't know the purpose of multi-seat monitor, nor how to set it up.  When or how does on use it?
[02:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kreport build #6: STILL FAILING in 30 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kreport/6/
[02:46] <DarinMiller> Which ppa did he use?  Bluejack let a user apply just one of the staging ppa's the other day.  The guy said it wanted to remove plasma-desktop and some other lib and nobody stopped him from rebooting....
 Backports Landing
[02:47] <[Relic]> boingy boingy boingy
[02:48] <DarinMiller> I read this in the logs and felt helpless as the guy disappeared from the chat for a few hours and when he reappeared, he was a little miffed (rightfully so).
[02:48] <DarinMiller> Whew.... [Relic] survived.
[02:49] <mparillo> [Relic]: One other papercut. I needed to sudo poweroff after applying the changes. The kicker > Leave > Shutdown did not work for me.
[02:50] <[Relic]> I just did menu reboot
[02:50] <DarinMiller> ctrl-alt-shft-pageup will also reboot unless plasma is already shutdown.... which you can also alt-REISUB
[02:51] <mparillo> Excellent. It was only a papercut for testers, but we would not want to inflict it on LTS Users.
[02:53] <DarinMiller> Unfortuneatly, KDE not rebooting after a major update is not uncommon.  I personally don't have the skill to remedy.... But maybe superman knows how.:)
[02:54] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_ktp-common-internals build #34: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_ktp-common-internals/34/
[02:54] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_ktp-common-internals build #242: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_ktp-common-internals/242/
[02:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #46: FAILURE in 45 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/46/
[02:58] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: please don't ping me at 2:17 am in the morning. I may be awake as I quite often have insomnia, but I am not in your timezone!
 Sorry acheronuk, I turn off ping notifications when I sleep though... :/
[03:00] <acheronuk> and yes, I am awake and grumpy. so don't worry too ,uch
[03:00] <acheronuk> *much
[03:00] <DarinMiller> [Relic]: Do you use  RDP or other client to remote into another PC?
[03:00] <[Relic]> nope
 I guess I'm trying to say, if you don't want to be bothered by pings late at night acheronuk, turn off notifications!
[03:02] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_konqueror build #21: STILL UNSTABLE in 20 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_konqueror/21/
[03:02] <DarinMiller> OK, that was one other issues I had to fix with 5.8 as the new plasma now grabs the window key from any application regardless if the app is set to grab all keystrokes.
[03:03] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #50: STILL FAILING in 35 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/50/
[03:03] <DarinMiller> However, Window settings can override this behavior on a per app basis (easy workaround)
[03:07] <acheronuk> I don't user user manager but yes, we should patch this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373276
[03:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kalzium build #72: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kalzium/72/
[03:16] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kexi build #15: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kexi/15/
[03:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_korganizer build #32: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_korganizer/32/
[03:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #47: STILL FAILING in 22 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/47/
[03:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kwin build #83: STILL FAILING in 44 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kwin/83/
[03:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #27: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/27/
[03:28]  * DarinMiller Another "duh momenent" and  obvious problem solved:  This command does not work all:  git clone kubuntu:user-manager
[03:28]  * DarinMiller unless .gitconfig is correctly configured....
[03:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_mailcommon build #31: STILL FAILING in 35 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_mailcommon/31/
[03:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build #56: FAILURE in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons/56/
[03:56] <DarinMiller> Another rookie question: patches, where they be? Ritter say he could not upload them to bp-landing etc.  Do I search git?
[04:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_mailcommon build #32: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_mailcommon/32/
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[04:16] <DarinMiller> Our packing documentation does not cover patching.  This stuff is so painful to learn in the off hours especialy when the slightest config issues can  trip up a beginner for months.
[04:17] <DarinMiller> Giving up the self taught quilting session as the instructor has no clue....
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 Will help tomorrow
 In bed o/
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[09:01] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.29.0.php
[10:07] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:47] <sheytan_> BluesKaj: hey :)
[10:51] <jimarvan> Good morning guys :)
[11:52] <sheytan_> Any news about puting 5.8 to backports from landing?
[12:43] <soee_> sheytan_: i think when it get tests
[12:43] <soee_> users that tried packages from landing should report back if all was fine during upgrade
[13:11] <BluesKaj> have to use the recovery kernel with dpkg fix packages then resume to get to the desktop, choosing the default kernel results in some error that flashes by so quickly in plymouth that it's unreadable then one is taken to the root prompt and that results in a brand new desktop with none of settings applied, which sucks. This is happening with both 16.10 and 17.04
[13:13] <BluesKaj> the only ppas are for chrome and kodi
[13:13] <zerotcm> soee_: Ok, I am using landing and everything seems just fine. Is there any formal procedure to report it?
[13:22] <soee_> zerotcm: on Xenial or Yakkety ?
[13:23] <zerotcm> yakkety
[13:28] <soee_> zerotcm: can you pot some comment here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f4RwCRB2lNn7eQwUc-red5cXeaYvMjhZRO4W07XasMU/edit?usp=sharing?
[13:28] <soee_> i will try to gather them all
[13:29] <zerotcm> why, sure
[13:53] <zerotcm> gah, google docs is messy!
[13:57] <zerotcm> soee_: if you could please clean up the mess I've made, I have no idea how the text looks like now... :(
[13:58] <zerotcm> I guess I should have typed in a proper text editor and pasted on google docs :)
[14:15] <soee_> zerotcm: done
 Field trip!
 is KDevelop not in KCI?
[14:51] <yofel> it is
 then can we update the version in https://launchpad.net/~kdevelop/+archive/ubuntu/release ?
 I'd do it myself, but I don't know how
 how can I do that?
 I'm interested in updating it on Yakety
 @tsimonq2 where are you up to on that?
 @ovidiuflorin I'll try and look at it later when I get back to my computer
[17:28] <soee_> how d'ya like Plasma 5.9 wallpaper proposal? :)
 soee_: Yes shoot it here :D
[19:00] <zerotcm> that one? https://phabricator.kde.org/file/data/xlnwlrvbnignnirrcnwc/PHID-FILE-hiqrtiq3yepg36ej4upy/nocrackle-2560-1600.png
[19:02] <zerotcm> It looks good, I'd say its the best of the last 3... but there's a distinct change of palette lately... I'm not sure those colors match breeze...
[19:03] <zerotcm> ok, I tested it... it's fine :)
[19:05] <zerotcm> know what would be nice? A wallpaper for the new sddm theme. Nothing against blue, but...
[19:58] <ahoneybun> sgclark: thanks for the like on that post
[19:59] <ahoneybun> on facebook
[20:00] <ahoneybun> mm valorie did you see that post on the KDE Facebook account?
[20:01] <ahoneybun> "Mint KDE in bed with the Kubuntu team, because they are lacking resources
[20:41]  * clivejo wanders in and collapses on the cosy sofa
[20:45] <clivejo> interesting
[20:45] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7scGYTshILw
[20:46] <clivejo> clem_l: you are getting into our bed, or we go into your bed?
[20:46] <clivejo> Im confused
[21:01] <clem_l> clivejo: wait what? :))
[21:02] <clem_l> 3 ISOs into QA we just found a critical memory leak in Cinnamon 3.2, all testing goes to the bin and it's gonna be a long night
[21:03] <clivejo> eakk
[21:03] <clem_l> I'm not sure whether I want to cry or celebrate right now
[21:03] <clem_l> definitely better than finding out after the release I guess :)
[21:04] <clivejo> not nice to find at any time
[21:04] <clivejo> why are the media so nasty towards Mint?
[21:04] <clem_l> it's in the recent documents tracking... so every single time you open something, it goes up
[21:05] <clem_l> I think they're nasty to whatever is succeeding, it's the easiest target and the one that generates the most traffic when you create controversy about it
[21:05] <clem_l> Ubuntu's been attacked for years and still is the target of very low blows
[21:06] <clem_l> it's pathetic but it's part of the package, you can't attract people and have fun and make noise without getting that as well
[21:06] <clem_l> I think the fact that we're insular and do things our way adds to it too
[21:07] <clem_l> to a certain extent that's also very true for Ubuntu
[21:08] <clem_l> the whole "who do they think they are" motto, succeeding differently is seen as questioning what's already established and so it leads to arguments
[21:08] <clem_l> it's funny because it's praised when you're small
[21:08] <clem_l> as the underdog growing against the established distro, it's highly encouraged
[21:09] <clem_l> I try not to read it because it wastes a lot of time and motivation
[21:10] <clivejo> yeah, it very pathetic in my view
[21:12] <clem_l> it's hard to tackle also because people who do aren't genuinely bad, they just don't understand how software is made or they don't really care
[21:12] <clem_l> if you take the fun out of it and you start depressing developers they're gone
 Yeah
 clivejo: Ping
[21:13] <clem_l> so the day we get more bloggers spitting on us and less love mail from people who like what we do, that's the day we stop
[21:14] <clivejo> tsimonq2: you pong
[21:15] <clivejo> clem_l: true
[21:15] <clivejo> just annoys me!
 clivejo: I'm out of energy today. Just Get It Done please.
[21:15] <clem_l> re that video, I used KDE for a while (Kubuntu actually), and for me too it was because of Amarok :)
[21:15] <clem_l> killer app that was
[21:16] <clem_l> it had a difficult transition to KDE 4, but it really rocked before that and nowadays too
[21:17] <clem_l> I used to go to work with a little Sony T2XP 10" running Amarok on Kubuntu which basically acted as my portable music player :)
[21:18] <clem_l> the good old days, I'm not even sure it could run the Xfce edition nowadays :)
[21:22] <clivejo> tsimonq2: Im not in the mood myself
[21:23] <clivejo> everything Ive touched today has broken
[21:24] <clem_l> it's in the air clivejo, just a bad day :)
[21:25] <clivejo> :(
[21:28] <valorie> ahoneybun: replied to the weird FB thing
[21:32] <clem_l> we don't lack resources btw, we lack users :)
[21:33] <clem_l> resources go where users are, we've a very small community on KDE
[21:50] <valorie> wow, changes coming to Canonical - both Pitti and Daniel Holbach are leaving
[21:51] <valorie> pitti leaving for redhat, dholbach for traveling
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/N1oT0ENp/file_1376.mp4
 Kdevelop gif
 Is there some technical road block to update kdevelop in the kdevelop ppas?
 valorie: OMG WHAT?
 Since when.
 How did you hear about that?
[21:58] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: not really, just someone has to sit down and do it
[21:58] <clivejo> unstable yes, as it needs newest FW
 I asked for guidance
[21:58] <valorie> tsimonq2: twitterz
 5.0.3 needs what version?
 What do we have in yakkety?
[21:59] <clivejo> not sure, need to check the CMake files
 valorie: Links please!
[21:59] <valorie> finding for ya
 I'll look tomorrow
[21:59] <clivejo> I need to reboot, my Kontact has gone crazy
 I'm in bed now
 😜
 Hey @ovidiuflorin, we need to get it in Zesty first...
 I completely agree
 @tsimonq2 ^
 Then Yakkety. With two "K"s :P
[22:00] <clivejo> @tsimonq2 https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/
[22:00] <valorie> https://t.co/AChENnFBBR
[22:01] <valorie> and http://www.piware.de/2016/12/last-day-at-canonical/
[22:01] <valorie> that will be a big change in Ubuntu
[22:01] <valorie> both such nice guys, and so good for the community
[22:02] <valorie> although neither very friendly to KDE
[22:02] <valorie> still
[22:05] <clivejo> tsimonq2: dont you read http://planet.ubuntu.com/ ?
 So sad :(
[22:07] <valorie> I've met Dan a few times, and he's a sweetheart
 Sad I might never get to meet him :(
[22:08] <valorie> he'll be back to Ubuntu if not Canonical
 clivejo: I have the RSS feeds hooked up to emails
[22:08]  * clivejo pets tsimonq2 like a big puppy
[22:08] <valorie> not sure about pitti though
[22:08] <clivejo> there there
[22:08] <valorie> tsimonq2: how's your knee?
 pitti is a good guy, even though I've not talked to him much, he's nice
[22:09]  * clivejo gives tsimonq2 one of Max's squeaky toys
 valorie: Remarkably better :l
 *:)
[22:09] <valorie> yes, and he took care of lots of important underpinnings
[22:09] <valorie> I hope someone else picks up that stuff
[22:09] <valorie> good to hear, tsimonq2
 valorie: He is the guy we blamed everything systemd on XD
[22:10] <valorie> exactly why he's escaping!
[22:11] <clivejo> where is the new kernel
 valorie: Hmm maybe
[22:11] <clivejo> :O
[22:13]  * clivejo throws kdevelop at tsimonq2
 Was just about to nap...
[22:13] <clivejo> again?!?
[22:13] <clivejo> did you hit you head on the way down?
 Noooo :D
[22:14] <clivejo> whats with all the sleep?!?
[22:14] <valorie> clivejo: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/136063269373739009/257155272861155328/image.jpg
 LOL
[22:15] <valorie> I love the last line
[22:38] <clivejo> anyone about who know how these new tools work?
 I can read Python
[22:52] <valorie> I can read BASIC
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/G020fN8p/file_1382.webp
 OK I killed my system
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, OMG WHAT DID YOU DO???


[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:02] <Trevinho> morning!
[07:06] <oSoMoN> hello Trevinho
[07:06] <Trevinho> hi oSoMoN
[07:06] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers
[07:06] <Trevinho> and seb128
[07:06] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:06] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, hey Trevinho, how are you?
[07:07] <seb128> Trevinho, had a nice monday off?
[07:08] <Trevinho> seb128: all good
[07:08] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, very good... although we had to escape from the beach early because of a very-close-fire
[07:08] <seb128> oh :-(
[07:09] <Trevinho> https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/sardegna/sardegna-incendio-in-ogliastra-evacuati-due-campeggi-e-un-resort_3220315-201902a.shtml
[07:09] <Trevinho> basically the anti-fire helicopter come to pick water at 150mt from where I was having a swim
[07:09] <Trevinho> and 10mt high flames in the back :o
[07:10] <oSoMoN> all good here, I also went to the beach after work, but no fire here, fortunately
[07:11] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, Trevinho, seb128
[07:11] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:11] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:11] <seb128> oSoMoN, didrocks, did you figure out anything new on the chromium snap/decoration/theme issue?
[07:11] <seb128> I saw it mentioned on the weekly notes :)
[07:12] <oSoMoN> seb128, didrocks gave some interesting suggestions to try out, but I haven't done that yet
[07:12] <seb128> k
[07:12] <seb128> I'm still curious to know what's going on there :)
[07:14] <didrocks> let's see once oSoMoN has time to experiment, but I would bet on one of the options we discovered… (hopefully, or I'm out of idea for now otherwise)
[07:15] <seb128> you guys have good teasing skills :)
[07:15]  * seb128 wants to see the movie now :p
[07:16] <didrocks> heh
[07:17] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, Trevinho seb128, didrocks
[07:17] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:17] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:17] <seb128> does anyone know if we have a script/tool around to download all the debs from a launchpad build page?
[07:18] <duflu> I've been thinking about that for a while
[07:21] <seb128> k, hacked around with a gio cat | grep | sed | xargs wget command :)
[07:22] <duflu> seb128, actually my use case was easier installation of dbg debs
[07:22] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:23] <seb128> duflu, apport-retrace is probably best for that?
[07:23] <duflu> I think the problem with automating that is the lack of standard naming
[07:23] <duflu> OK I'll try that next time
[07:23] <seb128> it's supposed to figure out all the symbols you need and the corresponding dbg and install them
[07:24] <duflu> Solve then
[07:24] <duflu> Solved then
[07:28] <Trevinho> Hi duflu and didrocks
[07:35] <marcustomlinson> Good morning oSoMoN Trevinho seb128 didrocks duflu
[07:36] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson
[07:39] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[07:42] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:44] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:48] <willcooke> morning
[07:50] <marcustomlinson> hey willcooke
[07:51] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:52] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[07:56] <Trevinho> hi willcooke and marcustomlinson
[08:01] <seb128> ricotz, thx for the diff/fix on that indicator-keyboard mr
[08:01] <Laney> yo de yo
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> de yo yo yo
[08:02] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:05] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson seb128
[08:06] <seb128> jamesh, weekly summary post?
[08:06] <seb128> Trevinho, oSoMoN, thx for posting those, please try to remember to do it on monday though :)
[08:06] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I wanted to do it last night, but went back home late..
[08:07] <oSoMoN> yes, sorry about that
[08:07] <Trevinho> and since I was off..
[08:07] <seb128> no worry, as long as it's not a trend :)
[08:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, your WSL issue, maybe post on the corresponding discourse section, it might help you to get some hints and others later who might have the same issue?
[08:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, good point, will do that
[08:09] <seb128> thx
[08:13] <seb128> changing location,; brb
[08:27] <Laney> seeded snaps work again on eoan
[08:29] <seb128> \o/
[08:29] <seb128> well done Laney!
[08:30] <Laney> first launch is in adwaita...
[08:30] <Laney> has anyone noticed that?
[08:30] <seb128> nop
[08:31] <seb128> but I didn't try new eoan installs recently
[08:31] <Laney> it's not eoan specific
[08:31] <Laney> more like something to do with the snap
[08:31] <Laney> so you can probably clean your system enough to get it
[08:32] <seb128> doing a rm of the ~/snap/app dir isn't enough to get it on gnome-calculator or evince for me
[08:32] <seb128> is the theme wrong until you close it?
[08:32] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/calc.png
[08:32] <seb128> or is that like wrong for <time> and then good?
[08:33] <seb128> jamesh, ^
[08:33] <Laney> wrong, close, reopen, right
[08:33] <seb128> :-/
[08:36] <jamesh> Laney: I don't see gnome-common-themes in that "snap list" output
[08:36] <Laney> ahhhhhh
[08:36] <Laney> it's a race condition with seeding isn't it?
[08:36] <Laney> I suppose they are initialised in order, and that is last in the seed.yaml
[08:36] <Laney> fml
[08:37] <jamesh> perhaps
[08:37] <Laney> it's there if I re-run 'snap list'
[08:37] <jamesh> I haven't looked at what snapd does exactly
[08:37] <jamesh> it wouldn't hurt to sort prerequisites first in the seed.yaml file
[08:39] <Laney> Seeding is pretty slow, at least in VMs here
[08:40] <Laney> it took 1m27s
[08:40] <willcooke> well done Laney
[08:40] <Laney> thx
[08:40] <willcooke> We've seen that race before I think, kenvandine will remember
[08:40] <willcooke> I seem to remember chattnig abou
[08:40] <willcooke> *chatting about putting a sleep 10 in somewhere :)
[08:48] <Laney> /o\
[09:00] <Laney> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-seeding-is-slow-racy/12310
[09:00]  * Laney prepares to be abused
[09:04] <jamesh> Laney: I guess we're lucky that gnome-3-28-1804 sorts before gnome-calculator
[09:04] <Laney> yup
[09:04] <jamesh> otherwise the app would have simply failed to launch
[09:04] <jamesh> rather than launch with the wrong theme
[09:04] <Laney> might be worth noting that
[09:05] <Laney> if snapd were to figure out the ordering that'd work for this situatino too
[13:31] <seb128> (still is another meeting with willcooke, sorry for the delay, a few min)
[13:31] <seb128> well, let's me start it :)
[13:32] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2019-07-16
[13:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 16 13:32:34 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:32] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:32] <seb128> Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:32] <oSoMoN> 😎/
[13:32] <didrocks> hey
[13:32] <kenvandine> \o
[13:33] <Trevinho> 🌴
[13:33] <marcustomlinson> 🕺🏻
[13:33] <oSoMoN> is that a disco guy lifting a palmtree?
[13:34] <seb128> lol
[13:34] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[13:34] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> nothing
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine, can you remind Robert to assign himself to bugs he nominates like that snapd-glib one?
[13:35] <kenvandine> yes
[13:35] <seb128> thx
[13:35] <seb128> not review cc anymore at this point
[13:35] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> nothing
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <seb128> same snapd-glib one
[13:36] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-incoming
[13:36] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <seb128> the gconf is actually being handled on the dpkg side
[13:37] <seb128> gconf itself imho is not rls material (though wouldn't hurt to upload it if someone wants to do that)
[13:37] <seb128> other opinions?
[13:38] <seb128> seems not
[13:38] <didrocks> (no real opinion, seems popular, but we don't seed it for quite a long time, unsure how many installs are old without this cleanup)
[13:38] <Laney> ok with not fixing it in gconf
[13:38] <seb128> thx didrocks Laney :)
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> nothing unassigned there
[13:39] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:39] <seb128> Laney, your turn!
[13:39] <Laney> yeah sorry I haven't quite made cards yet
[13:39] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:39] <Laney> one thing that needs to be done is lmdb promoted, that MIR is finished now
[13:40] <seb128> I'm never clear there is MIR team should give a final/ack do it or if any archive admin can do it
[13:40] <didrocks> depends on the last comment, I tend to say on mine "ack when security team gives its +1"
[13:40] <seb128> I guess I will do it since they don't seem to be picking it up
[13:41] <Laney> depends on the status I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRTeam#Process_states
[13:41] <seb128> didrocks, oh, you are MIR team ... want to do it? so no discussion of MIR or not :)
[13:42] <seb128> I'm not wanting to enter another argument with doko atm
[13:42] <didrocks> seb128: I'm fine having a look later this week
[13:42] <Laney> they have an MIR meeting at the same time as this one
[13:42] <Laney> go ping in there right now
[13:42] <didrocks> actually, before
[13:42] <didrocks> like finished 10 minutes ago
[13:42] <seb128> didrocks, it should be a matter of just doing the promotion command
[13:42] <didrocks> (when they happens)
[13:42] <Laney> oh right, they don't use #endmeeting
[13:42] <seb128> but alright
[13:42] <seb128> other topics?
[13:42] <Laney> yes ok
[13:43] <didrocks> seb128: well, I need to read the comments first :p
[13:43] <seb128> didrocks, (oh, and thanks ;)
[13:43] <Laney> I think there's going to be some cards this time
[13:43] <didrocks> yw
[13:43] <Laney> pls assign them tomorrow in that other meeting
[13:43] <seb128> k
[13:43] <Laney> and Trevinho, mutter looks like it fails tests on armhf/arm64, can you look at that pls?
[13:43] <Trevinho> Laney: ok
[13:44] <Laney> did get mail about that but I forgot until now
[13:44] <Laney> good checkpoint :-)
[13:44] <Laney> thanks!
[13:44] <Laney> k end
[13:44] <seb128> thx Laney
[13:44] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:44] <seb128> k, let me start this one by asking Till for status update of nm autopkgtests and bionic SRU
[13:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, ^ can you give us an update of where we stand on those? they have been ongoing for several weeks now, is there any blocker you need help with?
[13:47] <tkamppeter> On the Bionic SRU I did not get any further cooperation of users. For me it even looks like that regression cases are low, and the few complaints are from users with very special cases.
[13:48] <tkamppeter> Especially I get also that impression as there are not any more bug reports.
[13:48] <seb128> so what do you recommend we do to unblock the situation/move forward?
[13:48] <seb128> well, the SRU got reverted
[13:48] <seb128> that would stop the reports
[13:48] <tkamppeter> Probably we should try to get this version to some more users.
[13:49] <seb128> can you talk to the SRU team about it?
[13:49] <tkamppeter> I will do.
[13:49] <seb128> thx
[13:49] <seb128> any other topic?
[13:50] <Laney> about the tests in eoan?
[13:50] <Laney> any update+ sorry
[13:50] <kenvandine> tkamppeter: how about the autopkgtests?
[13:50] <Laney> you can see on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages that it's blocking a bunch of stuff
[13:50] <tkamppeter> In the autopkg tests there are no tests which I can reproduce all the times. Any failure happens only sometimes, leading to the impression that there is something going too slow.
[13:50] <kenvandine> i saw you updated the MP
[13:51] <seb128> even failing sometime is a problem/needs to be fixed
[13:51] <kenvandine> yes
[13:52] <tkamppeter> I also had some talk with Seth Forshee and he told that there are many failures since switchover to kernel 5.2.x but also not always the same failure, but frequent enough to hardly get the whole test suite pass.
[13:52] <seb128> we need to get on top of those issues
[13:52] <seb128> including 5.2 problems
[13:52] <tkamppeter> He has released 5.2.x into Eoan now and I have updated my VM.
[13:52] <seb128> we can't keep delaying week after week
[13:53] <seb128> k
[13:53] <seb128> hopefully you get a clue about those by the next meeting then!
[13:53] <seb128>
[13:53] <tkamppeter> I have now seen that the case of the emulated AP not coming up disappeared, but on the Ethernet tests I see more failures.
[13:53] <seb128> other topics?
[13:55] <kenvandine> seth filed a bug on the 5.2 issue, linked on the status report
[13:55] <seb128> kenvandine, tkamppeter, can we make investigating that a topic priority for this week?
[13:56] <seb128> topic->top
[13:56] <kenvandine> that should be tkamppeter's top priority already
[13:56] <seb128> k, good
[13:56] <seb128> alright, no other topic?
[13:56] <seb128> 30s
[13:57] <seb128> k, it's a wrap then, thanks team!
[13:57] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 16 13:57:36 2019 UTC.
[13:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-07-16-13.32.moin.txt
[13:58] <oSoMoN> thx
[13:59] <willcooke> Thanks all, sorry for being AWOL again
[13:59] <didrocks> thx
[14:16] <Laney> quite a few proposed-migration this week /o\
[14:16] <Laney> silly debian unfreezing
[14:16] <seb128> also silly toolchain changes :p
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> willcooke: Just read your interview on Tech Republic. Nice mention of Pipewire and lowlatency audio. We're watching it closely on the Ubuntu Studio side of things. :)
[16:52] <willcooke> Eickmeyer, cool!  :)
[17:51] <willcooke> night all


[10:04] <ochosi> if any admins are about, please release libxfce4util from NEW so we (xubuntu) can trigger rebuilds of related packages and continue to upload xfce4.12
[11:51] <mlankhorst> \o/ all mesa regressions from 10.4 to 10.5 on radeon are gone in mesa 10.5 rc3
[12:25] <sil2100> Hello release team! We would need someone to take a look at the FFe that has been filled for the new oxide release: LP: #1425599
[14:49] <sil2100> Hello release team! I would like to re-poke regarding the FFe for oxide: LP: #1425599
[14:49] <sil2100> It is ready for release in a silo, but we don't know if we can publish without a clear decision beforehand
[16:31] <jdstrand> can someone take a look at the oxide 1.5 FFe? (bug #1425599)
[16:31] <jdstrand> oSoMoN and chrisccoulson can speak to the actual changes
[16:33] <jdstrand> but oxide is in a weird area wrt to this FFe. we plan to push this to stable releases because it is a security update. however, there are some features in it that are for important phone bugs
[16:34] <jdstrand> in other words, oxide was specifically created to address security issues, fix bugs and implement features to enhance the phone (ie, it uses the firefox model), yet it is blocked on FFe
[16:34] <jdstrand> seems we wouldn't block firefox-- we would just upload it
[16:37] <jdstrand> I'm not sure that it helps, but we discussed that we will pursue an MRE for oxide after vivid releases since it is a lot like firefox, and firefox has one
[16:41] <jdstrand> slangasek: not sure if you have time? ^
[16:42]  * jdstrand is happy for anyone to look at it. it looks like it was requested a week and a half ago
[16:44] <ogra_> why does it need an FFe at all ?
[16:44] <ogra_> given it is a rolling package across all releases anyway
[16:54] <jdstrand> ogra_: right
[16:55] <jdstrand> I'm not sure why oSoMoN was advised to file one
[16:55] <jdstrand> I think sil2100 may have requested it, but not sure where this was discussed in terms of formal processes (if at all)
[16:56] <oSoMoN> Mirv initially told me I’d need to file an FFe
[16:57] <sil2100> I wasn't aware of any exceptions, so FFe was the safest bet - and if someone from the release team would comment that we don't need those, well, we wouldn't request it anymore ;)
[16:57] <sil2100> I understand all the rationale, it's just that since it's a release-team decision I wanted to have some confirmation from their side
[16:58] <ogra_> sil2100, well, browsers are generally rolling anyway
[17:01] <jdstrand> right, well, the argument is out there for the release team to comment. we'll pursue a MRE to kinda cement the idea for stable releases
[18:07] <infinity> jdstrand: I take it as a given that firefox, chromium, and oxide don't require FFes.
[18:07] <infinity> sil2100: ^
[18:08] <infinity> jdstrand: And the firefox/chromium stable exception (which oxide should get by default, IMO), isn't an MRE, unless you change the meaning of "M". :P
[18:09] <Laney> MyGodWhatIsThis
[18:10] <jdstrand> infinity: great, thanks!
[18:20] <sil2100> infinity: thanks :)
[18:20] <sil2100> jdstrand: ok, let me publish then
[18:20] <Mirv> are the rollingness exceptions documented somewhere?
[18:22] <Mirv> or only as MRE after the release as discussed
[18:25] <Ukikie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions is the only one I see, and for firefox this is a micro release. :P
[18:26] <Mirv> from documentation point of view the problem is thet MRE are for after-release stable release updates, and it'd be nice if the process would be clear for the whole dev cycle + stable period
[18:35] <infinity> Ukikie: Yeah, we could do with clearing up the browsers as being unique snowflakes in this regard.
[18:36] <infinity> Mirv: And we could also do with clearing up that MREs for stables imply MREs for the devel series, as long as the upload doesn't destabilise the world during release week or something equally silly.
[18:44] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[18:44] <ScottK> For clamav I've always asked for the FFe even though we push major versions to all releases.
[18:45] <ScottK> I took it as a given it would get approved as long as the timing was non-insane, but I didin't think I was excused from asking.
[19:16] <infinity> ScottK: I think it's paperwork overload for things we expect to be updated anyway, but ymmv.
[19:31] <ScottK> OK.  I can accept that and I'm all for not doing unneeded paperwork.
[19:32] <ScottK> I do think we ought to have the list of packages this applies to documented somewhere.
[19:32] <ogra_> +1
[19:44] <infinity> ScottK: Yeah, I think the MRE wiki page needs a section for the rare Major Release Exceptions.  I suspect the reason it doesn't is because we prefer to pretend they don't exist, thus not setting precedent for others to say "I deserve that too!"
[19:44] <infinity> ScottK: But with enough strong wording of the sort that "these packages are unique snowflakes and get to ship new major versions, but if you ask for that for your own package, the TB's default answer is always no, have a nice day", we can break them out into their own section and be more explicit about it.
[19:44] <ScottK> Conveniently keeping the same acronym preserves deniability.
[20:31] <bdmurray> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/phasing-progress-link/+merge/251517


[11:14] <ev> cjwatson: might I ask you additional questions at the sprint about the parallel debconf work?  I've made that the last major item on my list and the target for the vast majority of my time at the sprint and after.  Just editing the foundations sub-page of the sprint wiki page and I don't want to be rude and mark your name without first asking.
[11:15] <ev> that is, assuming I have additional questions - just trying to cover my bases
[11:16] <cjwatson> sure, of course
[11:16] <ev> thanks!
[11:16] <ev> much appreciated
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4135 maverick-redesign/ (16 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Make the welcome page match the current mockup.
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Expose the LabelledComboBoxEntry, WirelessWidget, and DiskBox to Glade.
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Add padding around the keyboard setup and prepare pages.
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Use a LabelledComboBoxEntry on the timezone page.
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Make the automatic partitioning page mostly match the current mockup.
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Create an initial partitioning page.
[15:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4136 maverick-redesign/gui/gtk/stepPartAsk.ui: Add missing UI file from previous commit.
[15:58] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4137 maverick-redesign/ (gui/gtk/stepWireless.ui ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py): Add a wireless page.
[16:13] <ameetp> does anyone know the right contact for grub issues?  Grub fails to install on HP systems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/602758
[16:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602758 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-probe error: cannot find a GRUB drive (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged]
[16:14] <cjwatson> me
[16:14] <cjwatson> in a meeting right now
[16:14] <cjwatson> very unlikely to be HP-specific
[16:15] <ameetp> cjwatson: oh okay.  yeah, I don't think it is specific to HP either...
[18:03] <cjwatson> ameetp: OK, I think I see the likely cause, but I'll try to set up a test rig first
[18:04] <ameetp> cjwatson: okay.  ping me if you need more info in that bug or access to the failing system
[18:05] <cjwatson> shouldn't be necessary, but thanks
[18:05] <cjwatson> as I say, seems to be a general bug even if it happens to be biting only a few of the cert lab systems
[18:09] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4138 maverick-redesign/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Wire up the 'use entire disk' path.
[22:41] <huuanito> currently installing maverick meerkat server alternate 64 bit on RAID1 xfs  and it has taken 2+ hours so far at 'select and install s/w' stage versus about 20 mins on a recent install of 10.04. saw bug 601299 for a similar issue but with btrfs. Anyone else seeing slow installs?
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601299 in linux-meta (Ubuntu) "maverick btrfs slow install (affects: 4) (heat: 762)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601299
[22:46] <huuanito> OK  it finally finished that step but did then not ask for what s/w to install. Is this expected behavior for maverick alpha-2?
[22:47] <shtylman> ev: do you still think the install overhaul is going to happen this cycle?
[23:11] <huuanito> ooops my mistake. Since I'm using RAD i figured the alternate install cd was required. I thought i was installing server but it seems to have installed a desktop with EVERYTHING which is prolly why it took so loooong. Please ignore my questions above. I'll try over with the server 64bit cd which I'm burning now... did find 1 bug in the installer though. The  boot flag wasn't switching in the partioner gui for the flash drive I'm using for /boot  b
[23:11] <huuanito> RAID
[23:56] <huuanito> for a bug in the partioner s/w on maverick install should i file under maverick or installer?
[23:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4139 maverick-redesign/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py:
[23:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Slight cleanup in get_autopartition_choice.
[23:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Clear the disk combobox before adding items to it in
[23:57] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  set_autopartition_choices.
[23:58] <huuanito> tx


[12:48] <WebVisitor-2> Hey there! I need help with configuring touch gestures (duh)
[12:49] <WebVisitor-2> I'm on 12.10, on a Lenovo B570 laptop and have installed touchegg, but I'm only able to use the two fingers to scroll gesture, which is already installed by default
[12:50] <WebVisitor-2> so I'd love to know if there is any easy tutorial to follow to get three finger and four finger gestures working, so it behaves like OSX. (With natural scrolling and all)
[13:06] <dandrader> WebVisitor-2,  3 and 4 finger gestures are captured by Unity. So you won't be able to use them in applications
[13:07] <dandrader> 3 finger gestures move and maximize/restore windows. 4 finger taps show and hide the dash
[13:07] <dandrader> 4 finger double taps = alt+tab, etc
[13:08] <dandrader> I mean, 3 finger double tap
[13:08] <WebVisitor-2> If I try any of the 3 finger gestures to minimize a window, or something, it doesn't work
[13:09] <dandrader> the list of gestures is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
[13:10] <Visitor_Max> could the touchpad be a factor?
[13:10] <Visitor_Max> if 2 finger gestures work, will 3 finger stuff work per se
[13:10] <dandrader> no
[13:11] <dandrader> it depends on how many simultaneous and independent touches your trackpad supports
[13:11] <dandrader> there are several trackpads that support only two simultaneous touch points, for instance
[13:11] <Visitor_Max> any way to check?
[13:12] <Visitor_Max> I don't even see my trackpad listed in lsinput
[13:12] <dandrader> xinput test-xi2 <device>
[13:13] <Visitor_Max> sorry if that gets really noobish, but how do I know what dev my trackpad is?
[13:13] <dandrader> it's been a while since I last used this tool (xinput) though,  so I don't recall its usage details
[13:14] <dandrader> this xinput tool can list the available input devices
[13:14] <Visitor_Max> k I'll see
[13:14] <dandrader> just run it without any parameters
[13:14] <Visitor_Max> list did the trick
[13:15] <Visitor_Max> it's id11, so I'll try that in xinput, one moment
[13:16] <Visitor_Max> won't react to three finger inputs
[13:16] <Visitor_Max> guess I'm out of luck, then
[13:16] <Visitor_Max> do you know an easy way to get pinch to zoom and inverted scrolling working?
[13:18] <dandrader> on
[13:18] <dandrader> no
[13:27] <WebVisitor-6> sorry got disconnected. did you write anything?
[20:54] <WebVisitor-3> hi


[07:43] <abelli> bona sera
[07:59] <sivang> hi douglas
[08:02] <douglas> hi sivan :)
[08:02] <douglas> hi all too :)
[08:02] <sivang> hmmm, not much going on here this time of the day, is everybody sleeping/away?
[08:03] <sivang> :)
[08:03] <douglas> yep...
[08:43] <sivang> enrico: what about?
[08:43] <enrico> I'll be a surprise
[08:44] <enrico> But it's connected to the gift you had two days ago for replying to me in the list :)
[08:45] <sivang> hehe, then I Know what it's about :)
[08:45] <sivang> yay


[09:55] <Muntaner> good morning to everyone
[09:55] <Muntaner> dimitern, hello
[09:57] <dimitern> Muntaner, oh hey!
[09:57] <Muntaner> dimitern, I almost did it!
[09:58] <Muntaner> I think I am at the "final" errors :-)
[10:00] <dimitern> Muntaner, great - please paste the logs?
[10:00] <Muntaner> yep! first, I tell you a little background, dimitern
[10:00] <Muntaner> I followed the guide you posted
[10:01] <Muntaner> and got rid of the image-metadata problem
[10:01] <Muntaner> now, I'm able to run bootstrap
[10:01] <Muntaner> and via Horizon, I see a  juju-ost-machine-0 Active
[10:01] <Muntaner> but, on the terminal where I started the juju bootstrap, I am stuck and can do nothing
[10:01] <Muntaner> logs coming
[10:02] <Muntaner> dimitern, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9783781/
[10:02] <Muntaner> it's stuck on "Running apt-get update"
[10:03] <dimitern> Muntaner, let me just tell you I might be a bit distracted as I'm in a meeting now, but I'll check on your progress later
[10:03] <Muntaner> dimitern, no problem! ;-)
[10:30] <dimitern> Muntaner, right - does your bootstrap machine has access to the internet ?
[10:31] <Muntaner> dimitern, yes, it is the laptop that I'm using right now
[10:32] <dimitern> Muntaner, if you can ssh into it while bootstrap is going on - check /var/log/cloud-init*.log
[10:32] <Muntaner> dimitern, tried it - can't ssh QQ
[18:46] <Syed> Hello folks
[18:47] <Syed> I am trying out juju for deploying Highly Available OpenStack
[18:49] <Syed> Is it possible to do it 4 nodes ?
[18:50] <Syed> 2 controller nodes and 2 network nodes ?


 Guys, what do people think of smart thermostats?
 I would get one if I had central air
 @AdamOutler has nest
 Arg, I hate emergency datacenter maintenance that knocks one of my servers offline
 I have two, among other things.
 The heck happened...
 @AdamOutler im thinking about getting one. What's your take? I want the nest but I've heard it's getting killed off. Not sure what's worth it.
 It's not getting killed.  Google was investing heavily during those rumors.  There was just a problem with management, not a problem with the product or sales.
 They killed an unrelated product with a small user base which did not work with nest.
 The world went mad.
 So would you say to go for a nest if I wanted a smart thermostat?
 Yep.
 They're all great.
 Make sure it uses some sort of open standard
 If it works with SmartThings, you'll be fine.
 ST really is the best Home Automation system on the market todat
 today*


[05:56] <duflu> RAOF: Can you remove the "devel" series now? I think we're used to "lp:mir" now.
[06:14] <RAOF> duflu: Maybe? Let me check.
[06:15] <duflu> I can't... You own it :)
[06:16] <RAOF> Turns out that I can :)
[07:19] <RAOF> Oh, wow.
[07:19] <RAOF> Yeah, that renderer frig is a really terrible cludge.
[07:32] <RAOF> Ok CI. Review that branch before I wake up tomorrow morning. I dare you!
[10:54] <alan_g> alf_: PidFakingSessionCoordinator?
[10:57] <alf_> alan_g: ok
[14:06] <alan_g> alf_: in Washington we talked about adding "emergency cleanup" handling to mir::Server. Have you thought about that yet?
[14:07] <alf_> alan_g: no
[14:09] <alan_g> OK. Unless you're keen to do it I might look at that. (Once I've figured out what is happening to ClientCredsTestFixture.session_authorizer_receives_pid_of_connecting_clients)
[14:12] <alf_> alan_g: It's not in my short-term plans, so feel free to pick it up if you have the cycles.
[14:12] <alf_> alan_g: currently focusing on main loop and a couple of assigned bugs
[14:45] <anpok> kdub: which part is too heavy, in real_hwc_wrapper?
[14:47] <anpok> would you prefer having the same interface has hwc, without a structure and conversions taking pace?
[14:47] <anpok> +l
[14:49] <kdub> anpok, somewhat, although maybe we could just log what's going on in terms of the api
[14:49] <anpok> hmm oh!
[14:50] <anpok> i missed adding the logs
[14:50] <kdub> like the point of that class is to be light and easy to pop logging in and out at the hwc api level
[14:51] <kdub> and if we do type conversions in there, it becomes thicker and thicker. Like, I could be sending a std::list<Renderables> in the prepare and set functions and converting the types in the 'RealHwcWrapper', but
[14:52] <kdub> thats the job of other classes to do the tricky work of converting the mir types to the raw hwc stuff
[14:52] <kdub> like, originally, I just mocked out the hwc type, but that proved zany in the test code (list checking in particular)
[14:53] <kdub> and the wrapper provided cleanups in terms of the code that executes the logic, as well as in the test code for HwcDevice
[14:55] <kdub> anpok, I guess my main suggestion is
[14:55] <kdub> since we have the need to requery this information from the hwc device, we should have a class that does the some sort of things that the factory does
[14:56] <kdub> and the DisplayDevice implementers can use that to get subsequent display configurations
[14:56] <kdub> which cuts down on duplication, and isolates the tricky business of gathering that information
[14:57] <anpok> the resource factory?
[14:57] <kdub> because the hwc api designers didn't really think it through and make it easy for us
[14:58] <anpok> hm i thought the duplication would go away as soon buffer creation would rely on the display configuration outputs provided by the display device..
[14:58] <anpok> i thought display device would be the indirection to use for that purpose ..
[14:59] <anpok> .. differing between fb, hwc-1.0/fb and hwc-1.1
[14:59] <kdub> well, there's more distinctions to be made
[15:00] <kdub> like hwc 1.3 supports opaque pixel formats and such
[15:00] <kdub> so hwc 1.1-1.3 have the same fundamental stuff going on in the business of posting displays, but the initial arrangements vary
[15:13] <anpok> kdub: so you mean I should be moving assembling of mir display structures to resource factory?
[15:26] <anpok> ok misread what you said above
[15:29] <kdub> right, like the code in framebuffers (in the anonymous namespace) may as well be its own helper class that the Framebuffers can use to make the fb-buffers
[15:29] <kdub> and some other part of the system (even, mga::Display) can use to generate the configuration
[15:30] <kdub> the DisplayDevice implementations have enough to juggle in the business of simply posting the layer list
[17:50] <dandrader> I just built qtmir on my desktop. a test binary refuses to run because it's looks for libmirserver.so.25 whereas libmirserver.so.26 is the one installed
[17:50] <dandrader> I wonder what's out of sync
[18:07] <dandrader> oh, it's the installed /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqpa-mirserver.so