[20:10] <cjwatson> wgrant: mind if I pick up the "separate services for turnip frontend/virt/storage daemons" task from you?  I was going to start on cleaning up our logging tomorrow morning, but that's going to be easier if I first separate out all the services and sort out the whole twisted logging malarkey
[20:23] <wgrant> cjwatson: oh sure
[20:28] <cjwatson> ok, grabbed
[22:59] <cjwatson> wgrant: I seem to remember you had some thoughts on adding a request id to turnip so that we could track log messages associated with failures sensibly.  Did you have any thoughts on how to do that in a useful way now that the services are separated?
[23:02] <cjwatson> It would be nice not to have to extend all the various protocols involved to put a request ID at the front, but I suppose it's possible ...


[01:54] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, what time sunday?
[02:07] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, checking on tripit...
[02:08] <robert_ancell> 9:29pm
[02:08]  * RAOF wonders if we could get a canonical tripit account or something.
[02:11] <nigelb> dream on...
[02:11]  * nigelb hides
[02:17] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, ok... i get in at 7pm
[02:29] <nigelb> finally, some action with the facebook bug :D
[02:33] <kenvandine> nigelb, yeah.... lets hope they actually do something...
[02:34] <kenvandine> it has actually hasn't failed for me in the last 48 minutes
[02:34] <kenvandine> since right after it got assigned...
[02:34]  * kenvandine might just be overly hopeful
[07:18]  * TheMuso had better go and pack.
[07:19] <RAOF> Surely that's reserved for flight time minus 2 hours?
[07:28] <TheMuso> Not for me. I'd like to have tomorrow off completely, i.e not think about work/the trip.
[07:30] <lifeless> TheMuso: you leave sunday?
[07:31] <TheMuso> lifeless: Yeah.
[07:35] <hyperair> what's the recommended method to request a session restart in GNOME?
[07:36] <hyperair> i've been using gnome_client_request_save, but it seems that libgnomeui is getting deprecated?
[07:36] <RAOF> Fire up d-feet and find the dbus method on org.gnome.session?
[07:37]  * bilalakhtar wishes he could go to UDS
[07:38] <hyperair> RAOF: surely there's an easier way..
[07:58] <RAOF> hyperair: You're after org.gnome.SessionManager.SaveSession()
[07:58] <hyperair> RAOF: right, but didn't gnome_client_request_save do more than that?
[07:59] <hyperair> dropping a wrapper for a raw dbus interface seems wrong to me.
[07:59] <RAOF> I don't think so?  What more would it do?
[07:59] <RAOF> Well, there may be a cooked interface available for you, too.
[07:59]  * hyperair shrugs
[07:59] <RAOF> But that's just what I thought of first.
[07:59] <hyperair> i think i saw something in EggSMClient or something
[08:00] <hyperair> which hasn't been ported anywhere useful
[08:00] <hyperair> well i'll just ask seb128 what he wants me to do about it later
[08:00] <RAOF> Time to make some fritata.
[08:00] <RAOF> And think about what my 24 hour plane hack will be.
[08:01] <RAOF> Now taking requests!  May not be X related!
[08:01] <lifeless> RAOF: compiz perf on an x201s
[08:01] <lifeless> RAOF: note though that this is atrick question
[08:02] <lifeless> RAOF: I have it off on my full blown desktop too, because it feels slow there as well.
[08:02]  * hyperair wonders what his 5-hour bus hack will be.
[08:02] <RAOF> lifeless: Maybe I should make that stronger - *Shall* not be X related :P
[08:05] <pitti> Good morning
[08:05] <nigelb> RAOF: darn, you should advertise these for creative requests
[08:05] <pitti> kenvandine: will have another SRU round today
[08:05] <lifeless> RAOF: pick up jamesw's api branch for LP and move it forwards?
[08:05] <nigelb> RAOF: if you could hack on LP blueprints, a lot people will bow down to you :p
[08:42] <RAOF> I'd need a launchpad install for that, which sounds scary.  Is that something I could easily grab in the ~12 hours before I need to go, most of which I'll want to sleep in?
[08:44] <lifeless> RAOF: yes
[08:44] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/VirtualMachine
[13:10] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:29] <ricotz> alf_, hello, have you started looking into packaging clutter 1.4?
[13:34] <alf_> ricotz: Hi! No, I haven't looked into clutter 1.4 packaging (just some old experiments with the 1.3 branch).
[13:36] <ricotz> alf_, it works pretty fine with the old packaging, but the new one causes some trouble since there were a lot of changes/refactoring with egl stuff
[13:38] <alf_> ricotz: The problem is with the patches or the packaging itself?
[13:39] <ricotz> alf_, the whole source directory structure has changes since 1.3.14 or so
[13:40] <ricotz> so yes the patches needs to be redone
[13:42] <alf_> ricotz: yes, and some of them just need to be dropped since they have been applied upstream
[13:44] <ricotz> alf_, would be great if you could have a look at it
[13:46] <alf_> ricotz: sure, I am waiting for UDS to see what decisions will be made there for clutter packaging
[13:50] <ricotz> alf_, ok, i might need to have a look then cause i wanted to start updating gnome-shell this weekend
[13:51] <alf_> ricotz: You can probably drop all (my) patches if you care only for desktop GL.
[13:52] <alf_> ricotz: those patches are mostly GLES related
[13:52] <ricotz> alf_, yeah, i could do this, but iirc you insisted on this change
[13:53] <ricotz> so i wanted to follow this packaging which has gotten a bit problematic
[13:54] <alf_> ricotz: ok, I just meant drop the patches for a quick experiment (not for an official package)
[13:56] <ricotz> alf_, alright, would be the easiest way
[15:13] <aboelnour> I'm interesting to develop a gedit plug-in with C can any one provide me with useful tutorials?
[15:22] <robbiew> pitti: mvo: do you think Till wants a UDS session for this blueprint -> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-desktop-n-automatic-printer-driver-download-should-support-signed-packages
[15:22] <robbiew> tkamppeter: ^^?
[15:23]  * robbiew didn't see tkamppeter's nick...:/
[15:27] <pitti> robbiew: yes, he mentioned that yesterday
[15:27] <robbiew> pitti: ack
[15:27] <pitti> thanks
[15:31] <seb128> hey pitti
[15:31] <seb128> how are you?
[15:31] <seb128> how are things in the desktop world? :-)
[15:32] <seb128> hyperair, re nautilus-share, can't use just use the dbus interface that update-manager etc are using?
[15:35] <hyperair> seb128: i guess i could try
[15:35] <hyperair> seb128: where can i find sample code?
[15:35]  * hyperair isn't familiar with libdbus
[15:36] <seb128> well nothing else use libgnomeui in ubuntu
[15:36] <hyperair> =\
[15:36] <seb128> so somewhat there is a way to do what you want to do without it
[15:36] <seb128> not sure exactly what this api is doing
[15:37] <seb128> but I know mvo ported the "restart required" code to the new gnome-session dbus api
[15:37] <seb128> so maybe use update-manager as an example
[15:37] <seb128> or ubiquity, I think they do that as well
[15:38] <aboelnour> I'm interesting to develop a gedit plug-in with C can any one provide me with useful tutorials?
[15:38] <seb128> aboelnour, you should try asking on #ubuntu
[15:39] <seb128> this channel is to organise work on ubuntu
[15:39] <seb128> seems nobody there has a reply to your question
[15:42] <aboelnour> seb128: thanks
[15:50] <pitti> hey seb128, ca va
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: had a look at the hotel web page today, looks really nice!
[15:51] <pitti> seb128: don't you hang out in the pool all the time?
[15:54] <kenvandine> pitti, i bet he is there right now, sipping on a drink with an umbrella :)
[15:55] <cyphermox> pitti, I suggest we add the Caribe Pool room, and schedule Desktop sessions there
[15:58] <pitti> +1
[16:04] <seb128> pitti, sorry I was having a swim, couldn't use the keyboard ;-)
[16:05] <seb128> yes, hotel is nice
[16:05] <seb128> when do you arrive?
[16:05] <pitti> seb128: 1810 at the airport tomorrow, with about 10 other people
[16:06] <pitti> so, should be around 7 at the hotel
[16:06] <seb128> pitti, ok
[16:24] <rodrigo_> seb128, desrt: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/gconf <- a 1 way GSettings->GConf bridge, as we discussed
[16:24] <seb128> great
[16:25] <rodrigo_> desrt, I'd appreciate a review to see if there's nothing bad, although I've just kept it one way, so changes to GConf are not propagated to GSettings at all
[16:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, although for proxy stuff, we might move the auth details to the keyring, so it will break apps that use GConf to read those
[16:26] <rodrigo_> desrt, oh, btw, I've found g_variant_get_strv returns const gchar, but says you should free the returned value, shouldn't it be just 'gchar **'?
[16:49] <bbordwell> Hello, I have a bug that has a possible patch and a branch that has been requested for merging 20 days ago and no one has looked at it yet. Could somone please do so? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/640096
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640096 in light-themes (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "cpufreq using grey almost invisible font (affects: 57) (dups: 9) (heat: 212)" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:51] <ayan> is there a way to determine which process emitted a dbus message?
[16:53] <ari-tczew> hey, what do you think about merge compizconfig-backend-kconfig ?
[16:59] <vish> bbordwell ¦ Cimi is doing the light-themes
[16:59] <bbordwell> vish, okay thanks
[16:59] <bbordwell> Cimi, are you around?
[17:03] <Cimi> bbordwell: yep
[17:04] <bbordwell> Cimi, I was wondering if you could take a look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/640096, it has a proposed patch from 20 days ago but no one has taken a look at it.
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640096 in light-themes (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "cpufreq using grey almost invisible font (affects: 57) (dups: 9) (heat: 212)" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:07] <Cimi> bbordwell: yeah I forgot to add that line
[17:34] <seb128> pitti, still there?
[18:31] <hyperair> yay ibus taking 200M of memory =.=
[19:07] <bbordwell> RAOF, are you around?
[19:11] <seb128> bbordwell, it's like middle of the night on a friday to saturday night where he lives
[19:11] <bbordwell> seb128, alright thanks
[19:23] <cyphermox> seb128, have you seen my merge for gtk+-3.0 ?
[19:23] <seb128> cyphermox, no
[19:24] <seb128> where? when?
[19:24] <cyphermox> seb128, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/gtk/gtk3-amd64-natty-build/+merge/39081
[19:24] <cyphermox> I was looking for the link ;)
[19:25] <seb128> ok
[19:25] <seb128> I think I will delay that, busy at the sprint and UDS coming
[19:26] <cyphermox> np
[19:26] <seb128> it could lead back to the never finish building issue
[19:26] <seb128> but thanks for the fix ;-)
[19:26] <cyphermox> seb128, I tested on my PPA and it worked fine ;)
[19:26] <cyphermox> it did finish, pretty quickly in fact
[19:26] <seb128> ok, I guess we will not know why the previous one was buggy
[19:26] <cyphermox> nah :(
[19:27] <cyphermox> anyway, it's not rush, just curious as that was a side-effect of the gtkbuilder porting of synaptic I'm still working on
[19:27] <seb128> ok
[19:27] <seb128> how is that one going?
[19:27] <cyphermox> pretty good
[19:27] <cyphermox> until this morning, it would compile and work
[19:28] <cyphermox> except there were a few optionmenus to change to combo boxes, and other small things to fix
[19:28] <seb128> great
[19:28] <seb128> hum, need to go, bbl
[19:28] <cyphermox> now I changed it to compile against gtk-3.0 so I'm fixing the issues that are coming up.. it doesn't compile anymore
[19:28] <cyphermox> ttyl
[19:29] <seb128> get the gtk2 version working first I guess
[19:29] <seb128> then clean for the new gtk
[19:29] <seb128> it will probably be easier to review for mvo and we might not want to depends on the new gtk yet


[02:24] <enderw99> how do i get 4.7 rc2? or what ppa?
[03:05] <kevin-j> ]]]
[03:35] <nagchampa> wow, pulseaudio is terrible, with it running any kind of business on my system and my sound wouldn't constnatly crash
[03:35] <nagchampa> plenty of alerts saying it had failed and had tried to switch to a different device
[03:35] <nagchampa> at least it's stable without it, still get a lot of popping in my sound though
[04:44] <Dispatcher> Hello folks
[04:45] <JasonTX83> Would someone be able to help me figure out why my new Kubuntu 11.04 install hangs up on the loading screen? I can't get to the log on screen
[04:46] <JasonTX83> Please.
[05:45] <introuble> which is better fs. ext3 or ext4? stable. error free, secure and other features?
[06:54] <introuble>  my isntallation is stuck since 30mins at 19% wiping swap space for security . do i need to wory?
[07:01] <introuble> helo
[07:03] <introuble> my isntallation is stuck since 30mins at 19% wiping swap space for security . do i need to wory?
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> I would think it is hung introuble
[07:11] <introuble> what should i do. it everytime does the same when i restart installation
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> introuble: do you have enough memory?
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> did you md5 the iso and cd ?
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[07:13] <introuble> well_laid_lawn 512 ram
[07:13] <introuble> well_laid_lawn 1g swap
[07:13] <introuble> well_laid_lawn iso live cd
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> sounds ok for memory
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> did you md5 the iso and cd ?
[07:15] <introuble> well_laid_lawn iso live cd
[07:16] <well_laid_lawn> introuble: you've said that twice and twice I asked if you checked it - it's important at this stage
[07:16] <roland> Hi. I've running KDE 11.04 for quite a long time now. And anytime I leave the computer on for extended periods, KMail will go grazy after a few days, and cannot be restarted for whatever reason(nepomuk?). Anyone else noticed this phenomenon?
[07:16] <well_laid_lawn> since you have errors
[07:16] <introuble> well_laid_lawn i didnt
[07:16] <well_laid_lawn> guess what I'll suggest then introuble
[07:17] <introuble> ok..
[07:17] <introuble> letme
[07:18] <aLeSD> hi ... what do u think about kubuntu for a netbook ?
[07:19] <introuble> aLeSD nice choice
[07:19] <aLeSD> I am choosing between xubuntu and kubuntu
[07:19] <introuble> netbook or laptop?
[07:19] <introuble> aLeSD i like kubuntu
[07:19] <aLeSD> introuble, netbook
[07:19] <introuble> ask someone else
[07:20] <introuble> i never used one
[07:22] <roland> aLeSD: do you have the laptop already?
[07:22] <aLeSD> yes
[07:22] <aLeSD> I'm quitting ubuntu
[07:22] <roland> then make it dualboot  and try it out
[07:23] <roland> or just install kubuntu-desktop on your current ubuntu and try
[07:23] <roland> or use the liveCD
[07:23] <aLeSD> roland, is it the same ?
[07:23] <aLeSD> kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <roland> kubuntu-desktop downloads all packages necessary to try out KDE
[07:24] <roland> maybe even more than necessary but, still works
[07:24] <roland> you can choose which to use gnome/kde from the login promt
[07:28] <roland> aLeSD: the only difference when installing kubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu system, is that you have all your gnome apps.
[07:31] <aLeSD> I will use kde with only cairo dock
[08:40] <introuble> is www.w3schools.com authenticated and helpful for learning any thing like php ? if yes. why http://w3fools.com/ exists ?
[08:44] <redeyyez> http://pastebin.com/WPAuymmE
[08:44] <jtheuer> is there a (possible older) but more stable version of openoffice/libreoffice available for natty? My version 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5  crashes every ~15minutes :-(
[08:45] <redeyyez> My info about some xserver issues.
[08:54] <redeyyez> lovin linux tho
[08:55] <James147> redeyyez: ^^ it generally helps to state the problem then paste the link as most people dont just click random links without knowing what the issue is :)
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> and maybe paste the X log and ~/.xsession-errors
[08:57] <redeyyez> James147: very true. Realized it as I had done It.
[08:57] <redeyyez> well_laid_lawn: working on doing that now.
[08:59] <redeyyez> well_laid_lawn: can't find that file don't even see that folder
[09:00] <introuble> my kubuntu isntallation is stuck since 30mins at 19% wiping swap space for security . and if it goes to 23% it gives an installer crash.
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> redeyyez: The X log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the xsession file should be a hidden file in your home dir
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> introuble: the iso passed the md5 check?
[09:02] <introuble> well_laid_lawn i check it at boot option. it passed
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:05] <NetBookuser> hi guys
[09:05] <NetBookuser> I have a bit of a problem with installing some stuff.
[09:05] <NetBookuser> I want to install airmon-ng
[09:06] <redeyyez> well_laid_lawn, that file is large.
[09:06] <NetBookuser> when I type in Konsole: sudo apt-get install airmon-ng, it says Unable to locate...
[09:08] <NetBookuser> does anyone know what the problem is?
[09:12] <NetBookuser> can anyone help me?
[09:12] <well_laid_lawn> !info airmon-ng
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> NetBookuser: ^^
[09:13] <NetBookuser> how to add it
[09:13] <NetBookuser> ?
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> it is not in the repositories so you need to find another source for it
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[09:15] <NetBookuser> ok. I'll try something else :S
[09:16] <NetBookuser> thanks, guys
[09:23] <uofm49426> this is kind quesstion about rekonq
[09:24] <uofm49426> how can i make a pdf out of a print Preview
[09:25] <uofm49426> or some how save the it to file
[09:30] <Tm_T> uofm49426: print to file
[09:30] <Tm_T> or save as html
[09:31] <Tm_T> whichever is more preferable on the case
[09:32] <uofm49426> well the item has a case number barcode so i want to keep it all in tack
[09:33] <uofm49426> cant copy past a bare code to a libra word
[09:39] <uofm49426> in window all you need is ctrl s but dont work with rekong its a signature page for military record it for some reason was the only browser that worked with the request site
[09:40] <uofm49426> what are the keys to save print to file
[09:44] <tsimpson> uofm49426: Ctrl-P
[09:48] <uofm49426> ctrl p just brings up print no options to save to file
[09:49] <tsimpson> uofm49426: click the print button and choose one of the Print to File options
[09:51] <uofm49426> ok that worked thankyou printer is network its setup but not printing
[09:51] <uofm49426> this will let me fix it later
[10:02] <aLeSD> #kde
[10:07] <aLeSD> is kubuntu faster than ubuntu ?
[10:13] <introuble> in what programing languages. the software developer retains the source coda and customer cannot access it to modify the applications. and in what languages it is possible to make the source code from an compiled application.            for those 2 questions i think php is not one of them. you give the application that means you give the code.   what are others?
[10:15] <dinesh_> hi i need a help when i swiching on my laptop.. there is things are showing..the thing is showing previous versions of linux
[10:15] <dinesh_> what is that
[10:18] <aLeSD> could u suggest me a good irc client for kde ?
[10:18] <introuble>  what languages can be reverse engineared?
[10:21] <LjL> aLeSD: i'm fine with Konversation
[10:28] <redeyyez> still having a terrible time.   still getting crashes that drop me out to login
[10:28] <redeyyez> this is becoming very frustrating
[10:41] <introuble> ok. what about obfuscation, how to secure java code. or php code even  ?
[10:49] <tsimpson> introuble: that's not really on topic here
[10:59] <aLeSD> is it normal that I have a strange interface ?
[10:59] <aLeSD> I mean it's the first time I use kubuntu and it is totally different
[10:59] <aLeSD> from ubuntu
[11:02] <BATi> aLeSD: yes... Ubuntu uses Gnome/Unity, Kubuntu uses KDE SC. Two different desktop environments means two different interfaces
[11:03] <aLeSD> I will try to find a tutorial
[11:03] <aLeSD> :)
[11:03] <aLeSD> is it normal that I have the bar on the top ?
[11:04] <BATi> aLeSD: for info about KDE look on http://www.kde.org/ ... under the hood both ubuntu and kubuntu are the same, just different interent interfaces...
[11:04] <BATi> eh s/interent//g
[11:26] <alex____> how can I switch from netbook interface to normal one ?
[11:31] <aLeSD> ok ... desktop inteface
[11:38] <vikapi> i was configuring gmail account using disconnectd imap in kmail. when i delete a msg frm inbox,it still remains in [GMail]/All Mail.
[11:38] <vikapi> any hint on how to fix it.?
[11:39] <BATi> aLeSD: somewhere in system settings -> desktop settings
[11:39] <aLeSD> yes I did it
[11:49] <introuble> i am geting installer crash error at 23% or wiping swap area while i install kubuntu repeatidly on 23%. i have changes the swap partition and resized it too but its still on 23%. help?
[11:49] <dinesh_> any one can help me to install java
[11:50] <dinesh_> waiting for the reply
[11:50] <yofel> !java | dinesh_
[11:50] <snakebite> which one sun java or openjdk?
[11:50] <dinesh_> sun java
[11:51] <yofel> sun is in partner
[11:51] <yofel> !partner
[12:02] <dinesh_> Can anybody help me to install Java in Kubuntu
[12:02] <dinesh_> i have a team viewer
[12:12] <aLeSD> apachelogger: ok ... I am in kubuntu 11.04 ... what I have to do to have phonon widget in qt design ?
[12:13] <apachelogger> aLeSD: compile phonon and install it
[12:13] <aLeSD> apachelogger: what do u suggest. Install the package form the repository than install the compiled one ?
[12:14] <apachelogger> aLeSD: you already have the package form the repo
[12:14] <apachelogger> just install an own build over it
[12:16] <aLeSD> mm ... kdevelop is faster
[12:19] <aLeSD> someone know how to play mp3 in amarock ?
[12:23] <szal> !codecs | aLeSD
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:02] <Shirakawasuna> is there an apt equivalent of archlinux's pkgfile -s command? (search for a file/dir that a given package would install, if you downloaded it)
[13:02] <Shirakawasuna> ?
[13:03] <BATi> Shirakawasuna: either use aptitude, or install apt-cache
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Shirakawasuna, apt-cache-search
[13:06] <szal> BATi, BluesKaj: those search for pkg names, not for files..  if you want to search for files, use apt-file
[13:06] <BATi> Shirakawasuna: oh, sorry, it's apt-file
[13:06] <Shirakawasuna> ah, good :)
[13:07] <Shirakawasuna> that would explain why apt-cache isn't working ;)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> szal, right , my old memory fails me ....again
[13:21] <andrej4k> Hello, can anybody help me resquing my borked partition table? parted can't see anything but fdisk and testdisk still see it (also kubuntu live cd)
[13:31] <BluesKaj> andrej4k, do you have gparted live cd ? . It's avery handy tool and can fix most partitioning problems
[14:22] <vikapi> using kmail.i want to GPG sign a mail and while tryin to send,it usually does ask for passphrase(evolution/thunderbird does it).but here without askin for passprhase, it says bad passphrase.
[14:34] <Ddpbf> vikapi: dou you use kwallet?
[14:34] <vikapi> yes i do..
[14:35] <Ddpbf> you should check in kwaletmanager
[14:35] <Ddpbf> did you wrot good passphrase in your wallet
[14:36] <Ddpbf> alt+f2 and type kwalletmanager
[14:36] <vikapi> i importd my gpg keys using gpg --import option..
[14:37] <vikapi> how does kwallet knws my gpg passphrase then??i ve not used kde bfore..
[14:38] <Ddpbf> it read it from
[14:38] <Ddpbf> your home
[14:39] <Ddpbf> ~/.gnupg to be precise
[14:40] <Ddpbf> if you allowed kwallet to access kmail it will konow all kmail knows
[14:41] <BluesKaj> kwallet is a pita
[14:42] <Ddpbf> kwallet is excelent thing
[14:42] <Ddpbf> imho
[14:43] <BluesKaj> wel, to each his own
[14:44] <vikapi> Ddpbf, how does it save the passwrd??in fat text?
[14:45] <Ddpbf> in kwl file
[14:45] <Ddpbf> in ~/.kde/share/apps
[14:47] <Ddpbf> vika
[14:47] <Ddpbf> vikapi:
[14:47] <Ddpbf> http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/gnupg-kmail.php
[14:48] <vikapi> Ddpbf,unfortunately i didn allow access for kwallet to access kmail.will i be able to grant access to it now?
[14:48] <Ddpbf> yes
[14:49] <Ddpbf> but first check page wich i copied
[14:49] <Ddpbf> http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/gpg
[14:49] <Ddpbf> also take look at this
[15:00] <aLeSD> could u suggest me a latex editor for kde ?
[15:01] <szal> kile?
[15:01] <aLeSD> thanks
[15:02] <Ddpbf> also there was latex plugin for kate
[15:02] <Ddpbf> but kile is better option
[15:02] <amanforindia> hello all
[15:03] <amanforindia> how to configure the community widget in kde?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> community widget?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> amanforindia, do you mean the plasma panel
[15:14] <amanforindia> ya...
[15:17] <amanforindia> BluesKaj ya...
[15:18] <BluesKaj> amanforindia, click on the cashew on the right hand side of the panel , choose your options
[15:19] <amanforindia> ya i did and registered on opendesktop.org but nothing is showing up
[15:23] <szal> any recommendation for a screencasting tool?  recordmydesktop seems outdated (no new versions for 3 years), and the Qt frontend (qt-recordmydesktop) is nowhere to be found packaged
[15:24] <BluesKaj> amanforindia, registered on opendesktop.org ?
[15:24] <amanforindia> yup
[15:24] <BluesKaj> what does that mean ?
[15:25] <amanforindia> yes
[15:25] <vikapi> Ddpbf, the instructions mentiond are already done in kmail.now i guess i ve to make kwallet kmail aware.
[15:25] <Ddpbf> vikapi: good luck :)
[15:26] <vikapi> aha
[15:26] <amanforindia> You are about to log in to the site "api.opendesktop.org" with the username "amanforindia", but the website does not require authentication. This may be an attempt to trick you.
[15:26] <amanforindia> Is "api.opendesktop.org" the site you want to visit?
[15:26] <amanforindia> it keeps showing this
[15:26] <BluesKaj> registered on opendesktop.org ..what does that do for the panel , amanforindia ..don't think you understand what I suggested
[15:27] <amanforindia> umm.. what?
[15:30] <vikapi> Ddbpf: should use kwalletcli for gpg-kwallet integration??
[15:30] <amanforindia> registered on opendesktop through the widget....
[15:31] <Ddpbf> vikapi: yes
[15:32] <BluesKaj>  the community icon for the panel ..sorry , amanforindia never used that link ...my apologies for my misunderstanding
[15:32] <Ddpbf> vikapi: you stumbled upon some very old bug
[15:33] <Ddpbf> :)
[15:33] <Ddpbf> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=33189 this is proposed workaround
[15:34] <amanforindia> so? any solution?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> amanforindia, did you go to the site directly with your browser to register
[16:02] <amanforindia> ya... i went to the site
[16:02] <amanforindia> sorry for late reply
[16:18] <nir> helllo
[17:13] <rdallarmi> hi, is there a possibility to roll back kubuntu updates? ( and no, I do not have the lsit of the latest updates). yesterday I was notified a number of updates were available, bu applying them broke my development environment
[17:14] <Ddpbf> rdallarmi: strictly speaking it is possible
[17:15] <Ddpbf> aptitude fralback
[17:15] <Ddpbf> but you have to have older versions of packages somewhere
[17:19] <rdallarmi> Ddpbf: strictly speaking... how?
[17:19] <Ddpbf> rdallarmi: it is possibile
[17:19] <Ddpbf> but you *must* to have older packages
[17:20] <Ddpbf> i ment theoretically
[17:20] <Ddpbf> sorry for mistake
[17:20] <Ddpbf> lapsus tastaturae
[17:20] <Ddpbf> :)
[17:21] <BluesKaj> rdallarmi, are you running 11.10?
[17:21] <rdallarmi> point is, even if I go nuclear and re-install it from scartch, first update will break my system again
[17:21] <rdallarmi> yes
[17:23] <BluesKaj> rdallarmi, join #ubuntu+1 for help ,..I ran 11.10 for a while but it broke so badly i couldn't recover ,stuck in dependency hell
[17:23] <Ddpbf> kdesudo kate /var/log/apt/term.log if you want to see log of your update
[17:24] <Ddpbf> *updates
[18:28] <kyubutsu> how to change system font , target: ubuntu font
[18:29] <kyubutsu> 11.04
[18:31] <Graf_Westerholt> kyubutsu, ALT+F2 „font“?
[18:34] <kyubutsu> that works
[18:35] <kyubutsu> although, i have the impression ubuntu font looks different under gnome
[18:36] <kyubutsu> it is default for 11.04 as well. just that it looks , smaller
[18:38] <kyubutsu> anyway, whats with rekonq freezing up so much
[18:39] <Graf_Westerholt> kyubutsu, here rekonq is not freezing.
[18:40] <kyubutsu> fresh install, cannot open up a page without fear of it turning unresponsive
[18:41] <kyubutsu> bug tracker is not even coming up . only option is to force quit
[18:43] <vikapi> still having issue while signing mails in Kmail..
[18:52] <vikapi> it says bad passphrase when tryin to send emails using kmail with GPG
[18:54] <avihay> hi, can anyone with an intel GM965 can tell me about how much cpu does kwin take when useing compositing?
[18:55] <avihay> or a similar card
[18:57] <Graf_Westerholt> vikapi, I had that problem, too.
[18:59] <vikapi> Graf_Westerholt: and got fixed?
[18:59] <Graf_Westerholt> vikapi, yes, I am searching for the fix.
[18:59] <Ddpbf> vikapi: have you checked link from kde forums?
[19:00] <Ddpbf> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=33189
[19:00] <vikapi> Ddpbf: yes i have..seems like i ve met all their reqmt..
[19:00] <Ddpbf> wich pinentry you have
[19:00] <Ddpbf> qt or gtk?
[19:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes, that is the fix I used.
[19:00] <vikapi> Ddpbf: mysql-server-5.1
[19:01] <Graf_Westerholt> But I think I changed gtk-2 to gtk-4
[19:01] <vikapi> sorry pinentry-qt4
[19:01] <Ddpbf> errr
[19:01] <vikapi> i shud use gtk4???
[19:01] <Ddpbf> gus you are using kde
[19:01] <Ddpbf> qt
[19:01] <Ddpbf> you should fix that line
[19:02] <Ddpbf> so it corresponds qt
[19:02] <Ddpbf> pinentry-qt4
[19:02] <Graf_Westerholt> „pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-qt4“ That's the line in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.con
[19:03] <Graf_Westerholt> ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf of course
[19:05] <vikapi> Dbpbf: http://pastebin.com/Mjwe5CpA
[19:06] <vikapi> Dbpbf: any change to be made in gpg.conf??
[19:15] <CuriousKid> so's, i am dual booting kubntu + w7, installed with wubi; i'm not sure what happened but now when i try to boot kubuntu, i get a grub prompt instead of the loader screen;  my question: how can i restore so i can boot into kubuntu?
[19:17] <CuriousKid> on second thought, i believe it may be due to a windows update which i did to get to sp1 for windows
[19:38] <soee> guys do you know whats the wallpaper here: http://apachelog.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/kde47rc1.png ? :D
[19:41] <szal> looks like one of the wallpapers Fedora used in the past
[19:44] <yofel> soee: that's 'stripes.png' from kde-workspace 4.7 - no idea if that'll be default later or not, but it gives it a fresh look ^^
[19:44] <soee> yofel, where can i found it ?
[19:45] <Graf_Westerholt> soee http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Stripes+Ksplash?content=139970
[19:47] <soee> Graf_Westerholt, thank you :) hope there is 1920x1080
[19:53] <soee> ok found it on deviantart in my size :)
[20:19] <soee> hmm, is there any option to set panel opacity ?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> soee, system settings>workspace appearance>desktop themes ..checkout the various options
[20:23] <soee> BluesKaj, ok thank you
[20:24] <BluesKaj> soee, kmenu>apps>settings>system settings>workspace appearance>desktop themes ..checkout the various options
[20:24] <soee> BluesKaj, im not using kmenu, prefer the old menu luncher :)
[20:25] <BluesKaj> soe recommend you right click on system settings and add to panel...very handy
[20:25] <BluesKaj> soee,^
[20:26] <BluesKaj> still the kmenu, cdlassic or new
[20:27] <soee> BluesKaj, ah sorry i thought kmenu = the new KDE menu :D
[20:27] <soee> im using the old tyle one
[20:27] <BluesKaj> nope always been the kmenu afaik
[20:28] <szal> iirc, one is kicker, the other is kickoff
[20:29] <BluesKaj> szal, always been the kmenu ...K with a menu = kmenu :)
[20:32] <BluesKaj> think it was kickoff ib fedora or suse , or no ?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> in
[20:52] <Infernet> hey all
[20:55] <Macer> hello
[20:56] <Infernet> Macer: what's up
[20:56] <Macer> i am trying to install kubuntu on an artigo a1000. the install finished (11.04) but when i try using kdm to login it just keeps going back to kdm
[20:56] <Macer> the splash scren starts and it gets towards the end then kicks back to kdm
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Macer, clue me in artigo a1000?
[20:57] <Macer> via pico itx based thing
[20:59] <Macer> it uses a unichrome chipset for video
[21:00] <Macer> well.. i suppose it could be some wierd kde video issue but i can't see that
[21:00] <Macer> maybe i will try ubuntu and see if that will boot
[21:01] <Macer> try it from the thumb drive
[21:03] <Macer> hm
[21:03] <Macer> i think i know what it is
[21:03] <Macer> i encrypted  the home dir
[21:03] <BluesKaj> looks like a cool project , unichrome graphics is an unknown quantity afaik
[21:04] <Macer> it wont let  me login to my acct from a shell
[21:04] <Macer> but then again i had the  same problem starting kde in debian
[21:05] <Macer> maybe it is some  awkward kde video  thing
[21:07] <Macer> i will try booting the live cd thumb drive i made
[21:07] <BluesKaj> Macer, the driver is xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[21:07] <Macer> if it is  the encrypted dir then i suppose that should start
[21:08] <Macer> BluesKaj: yeah... it seems to want to start and even looks like it adjusts the res
[21:08] <Macer> i am  going to try to run it  from the usb drive
[21:09] <Macer> and if it starts i will reinstall
[21:09] <BluesKaj> try rebooting and holding the sgift key down right after the bios scrn til grub loads then choose the recovery kernel and "repair broken packages " , or checkout the nomodeset options
[21:09] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[21:09] <Macer> the liveusb started
[21:09] <BluesKaj> er shift key
[21:10] <Macer> is there a way to drop it to vesa?
[21:11] <Macer> i figured the failsafe would be generic vga
[21:15] <BluesKaj> Macer, that driver should work , probly needs the vesa as you say , but if you're able to boot into the install then look in kemnu>apps>system>additional drivers ..there should be a recommended graphics driver to enable there
[21:16] <BluesKaj> which should be the openchrome driver
[21:17] <Ddpbf> BluesKaj: jockey is only for proprietary drivers
[21:17] <Ddpbf> afaik only solution for openchrome is floss driver
[21:18] <Ddpbf> wich is coming with *buntu preinstalled
[21:19] <ubuntu____> hiya, could someone help me with recovering my root.disk
[21:19] <ubuntu____> i'm not sure why, but i'm welcomed to a grub prompt when i am booting now
[21:19] <ubuntu____> will not boot kubuntu
[21:19] <ubuntu____> i installed through wubi
[21:20] <ubuntu____> i'm trying to mount the root.disk from a live cd right now, and am getting Input/output error
[21:20] <ubuntu____> when i ls -la on /win/ubuntu/disks, i get ???????? ? ? for the permissions etc of root.disk
[21:21] <Macer> Ddpbf: i am reinstalling now
[21:21] <Macer> and disabled the encryption
[21:21] <BluesKaj> Ddpbf,  it uses the openchrome driver aka xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[21:22] <Ddpbf> that is opensource driver
[21:22] <BluesKaj> it's the default in ubuntu repos
[21:22] <Ddpbf> i remember ther was few bugs for that driver in launchpad
[21:23] <Macer> Ddpbf: like i am having? :-)
[21:23] <Ddpbf> not
[21:23] <ubuntu____> i'll actually pay someone $100.00 to talk me through fixing this :(
[21:23] <Ddpbf> Macer: that bug was solve easilly
[21:24] <Ddpbf> jyou need to create xorg.conf
[21:24] <Macer> well.  i just hope it is a problem with the encryption
[21:24] <Macer> wow.. create one? thats old school.. havent gone through  those steps  in a long time
[21:25] <Macer> 1 1 1 2 4 2 resolutions
[21:25] <Macer> hahha
[21:25] <Macer> i hated using the x vesa based config
[21:27] <Ddpbf> worst thing is xorg.conf i decapriated
[21:28] <Ddpbf> but it is only way sometimes to kernel to find out wich module needs to be laded
[21:28] <szal> ubuntu_______: forget about Wubi & do a real install..  and fix your wifi connection ;)
[21:28] <BluesKaj> Ddpbf, one can never be sure whether a proprietary driver is listed in menu or not so it doesn't hurt to check
[21:30] <ubuntu_______> szal: believe me i would, but there is work stuff on my wubi install
[21:30] <ubuntu_______> even if i can just recover these files, i'll consider it "solved"
[21:30] <Ddpbf> BluesKaj: if company is not interested to write one  there is no point to check
[21:31] <Macer> Ddpbf: which is  why  i am hoping it is a problem with the home dir encryption
[21:31] <BluesKaj> Ddpbf, so how do know id you don't check is my point
[21:31] <^waffles> i've changed name to ^waffles to be easier to find
[21:31] <Ddpbf> I am, administrator on ubuntu-rs .org I read a lot themes about
[21:32] <Ddpbf> hardware compability :)
[21:32] <Macer> Ddpbf: have a g+ acct?
[21:32] <BluesKaj> Macer, i doubt whether encryption of your /home dir has much to do with it
[21:32] <Ddpbf> Me too
[21:32] <Ddpbf> It could be dkms issue
[21:33] <Macer> why wont the failsafe run then?
[21:33] <BluesKaj> what about noapci?
[21:33] <Macer> that is vga isnt it?
[21:33] <Macer> generic driver?
[21:33] <Ddpbf> Macer you read logs?
[21:34] <Macer> couldnt get to them
[21:34] <Ddpbf> from live cd?
[21:34] <Macer> didnt know holding  shift gets me  boot  options
[21:34] <Macer> live works
[21:34] <Macer> i can run it off the thumb drive
[21:35] <BluesKaj> !noapci
[21:35] <Macer> er
[21:35] <szal> !pm | ^waffles
[21:36] <Ddpbf> Macer: try to boot with parameter noacpi
[21:36] <^waffles> i think i did post the question in the channel
[21:36] <^waffles> sorry if you found that rude
[21:36] <BluesKaj> !info noapci
[21:36] <^waffles> i'm just desperate :x
[21:36] <Macer> Ddpbf: i will try once this install is  done
[21:37] <BluesKaj> anyway BBL ... errands
[21:37] <Macer> 1GHz 1GB .. it is slow
[21:37] <Macer> :-)
[21:37] <Macer> but it's 15W max
[21:37] <szal> ^waffles: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1639198 <- a whole lot of stuff to read; if your question isn't answered there, you might want to post it there; I suppose you'll be more successful that way, not many ppl on IRC use Wubi on a regular basis
[21:38] <^waffles> szal the problem is i can't even mount the root.disk :X
[21:38] <^waffles> i get an Input/output error
[21:40] <Macer> ^waffles: what is the problem?
[21:41] <^waffles> i can no longer boot into kubuntu, which i installed with wubi; i get a grub prompt
[21:42] <Macer> no longer?
[21:42] <^waffles> right i was using it for about 4 months
[21:42] <^waffles> then i stopped using it for 2 weeks
[21:42] <Macer> as in it worked and now it isnt booting?
[21:42] <^waffles> corect
[21:42] <^waffles> 4 months worth of work on it :(
[21:42] <Macer> broken/dead drive?
[21:42] <^waffles> the hard drive works
[21:42] <^waffles> but i cannot mount root.disk
[21:42] <Macer> try fsck?
[21:43] <^waffles> how would i run that on a virtual drive
[21:43] <Macer> oh
[21:43] <^waffles> maybe you can i'm not that knowledgable about it
[21:44] <Macer> boot an iso
[21:44] <^waffles> i'm on a live cd right now
[21:44] <Macer> run fsck on the host as well
[21:44] <Macer> fsck from the live cd
[21:44] <Macer> the virtual drive  should still be under /dev
[21:45] <Ddpbf> good night ppl
[21:45] <^waffles> how do you mean it should be under /dev
[21:46] <^waffles> i see root.disk under /win/ubuntu/disks
[21:46] <^waffles> (mounted the oflder to /win)
[21:46] <^waffles> but i can't mount the virtual disk
[21:48] <Macer> use scandisk :)
[21:48] <Macer> maybe the  virtual drive has bitrot
[21:50] <^waffles> you can scan a virtual drive with scandisk?
[21:50] <^waffles> o_O
[21:51] <^waffles> https://gist.github.com/97ef91b49f8dd251bbf4
[21:51] <^waffles> i get this nice message
[21:51] <^waffles> when i try to fsck
[21:51] <^waffles> the disk
[21:52] <FloodBotK2> ^waffles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:53] <Macer> er
[21:53] <Macer> looks like your root.disk is broken
[21:54] <^waffles> i'd say so
[21:54] <^waffles> so at this point, i'm really hoping on recovering the files
[21:54] <gomiboy> ^waffles: tried "sudo fsck /win/ubuntu/disks/root.disk"?
[21:55] <^waffles> yes
[21:55] <^waffles> same error message
[21:55] <Macer> ok......
[21:55] <^waffles> also, i get ??????? ? ? for permissions owner and date when i ls -la btw
[21:56] <Macer> ARGH!
[21:56] <Macer> still doesnt work
[21:57] <Macer> it starts the login and i get the splash screen and it kicks back to kdm right at the end
[22:05] <Macer> well
[22:05] <Macer> this is odd
[22:06] <Macer> at least i have a console now
[22:06] <Macer> how do i change Xorg so it uses the vga driver ?
[22:06] <Macer> there is obviously something wrong with the unichrome open one
[22:09] <gomiboy> Macer: you should have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe (with vesa driver), copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:09] <Macer> ah ok
[22:10] <Macer> it  is  a problem with the video driver... wow
[22:12] <Infernet> Macer: and you video card is?
[22:13] <Macer> via unichrome.. it  is an artigo a1000
[22:13] <Macer> removing the unichrome xserver kind of worked
[22:14] <Macer> but now i have no  acceleration
[22:14] <Macer> and  there  dont seem  to be proprietary drivers for it
[22:15] <Infernet> Macer: have your card video proprietary drivers?
[22:16] <Macer> i am looking now
[22:17] <Infernet> check apliccations, system, additional drivers
[22:17] <gomiboy> Macer: read man openchrome, maybe there are some options you can try to enable/disable to make it work
[22:18] <Macer> it is a cx700/vx700
[22:22] <redeyyez> seems as if flash web pages are causing my xserver to crash :((
[22:22] <Macer> hm...
[22:23] <Macer> it cant be this simple
[22:25] <Macer> damn
[22:25] <Macer> guess not
[22:27] <Macer> need to look at these damn xorg logs
[22:27] <BajK> what's the easiest way to revert from Ubuntu to Kubuntu without installing Kubuntu? :D install kubuntu-desktop, then remove ubuntu-desktop and do autoremove --purge?
[22:29] <andrewx> to permanently delete the command-history from a terminal session, I do what?
[22:29] <Amartolos> i just installed windows on a second partition. how can i renenable grub and ubuntu in boot?
[22:30] <Amartolos> andrewx: rm .bash_history
[22:30] <andrewx> ah yes.
[22:30] <andrewx> that did not work!
[22:32] <gomiboy> Amartolos: grub-install
[22:33] <andrewx> 'history -c' for crying out loud
[22:33] <andrewx> Just what did I accomplish with 'rm .bash_history' then?
[22:34] <andrewx> appears 'history -c' did what I wanted.
[22:35] <BluesKaj> BajK, well autoremove should be sufficient
[22:35] <BajK> ok
[22:35] <Macer> ok
[22:36] <Macer> it  is definately the video driver
[22:36] <Amartolos> andrewx: .history was the file
[22:36] <Amartolos> rm .history
[22:36] <Macer> seems like i do have to make my own xorg.conf :-(
[22:36] <BluesKaj> purge might get rid of importanr conf files . BajK
[22:36] <Macer> and it does look like the dpms
[22:37] <Macer> what pkg is xorgconfig a part of?
[22:38] <BajK> BluesKaj: that's what I wanted to but what should be important if the package is not needed anymore? but well, I will tell her^^
[22:39] <luigi187_> !listen
[22:40] <luigi187_> !fims
[22:56] <Macer> hm
[23:17] <Macer> ugh
[23:17] <Macer> i cant get this damn unichrome  working on this artigo
[23:17] <Infernet> Macer: not working yet?
[23:17] <Macer> i give up ive tried everything
[23:17] <Macer> no
[23:17] <Macer> :(
[23:18] <Macer> it works using the vga driver
[23:18] <Macer> there is no via driver for 11.04
[23:18] <Macer> so i am guessing it wont work in ubuntu either
[23:18] <Macer> this sucks
[23:19] <Macer> i guess i will sell it
[23:19] <Macer> it is useless
[23:19] <Macer> damn you via!
[23:19] <Infernet> xD
[23:19] <Macer> never again!
[23:19] <Macer> i hope atom crushes you
[23:19] <Macer> bet all the atom based boards work!
[23:19] <Infernet> :P
[23:20] <Macer> ive even seen omaps run kubuntu!
[23:20] <Macer> :-)
[23:20] <Macer> but a via  cant? shameful via.. just  shameful
[23:34] <ussher_> I have just added another video card and 2 monitors to make 4.  I can move the mouse to all 4 but on 2 of them the cursor becomes an X and I cant move any applications to those screens.  It feels like KDE isnt running there.  Is there a GUI way to fix this or do i need to mess around with xorg.conf?
[23:34] <ussher_> oh, its nvidia
[23:39] <gomiboy> ussher_: if you see the X cursor it means that xorg configuration is ok... check in "System Settings" -> Display and Monitor" -> "Multiple Monitors"
[23:39] <redeyyez> trying to install the nvidia driver for my pc, when i click additional drivers it says the driver has been activated but not in use.
[23:39] <redeyyez> what does this mean
[23:41] <gomiboy> redeyyez: the simplest way is to reboot if you have just installed it
[23:41] <ussher_> gomiboy: thanks for the hand.  in "Multiple monitors" it says "This module is only for configuring systems with a single desktop spread across multiple monitors, You do not appear to have this configuration."  (but it alwasy said that even with 2.)
[23:41] <redeyyez> I did reboot like it said, says its active now but not inuse.
[23:42] <ussher_> gomiboy: both cards are nvidia now, so i used the nvidia server settings GUI.  and when the cards wernt nvidia i used 'arandr' for the screen location setup.
[23:44] <gomiboy> ussher_: then i can't help... you could have better luck in #kde... (my single 19 inches monitor cries...) :D
[23:44] <Infernet> redeyyez: find in applications, system, nvidia x server settings
[23:45] <ussher_> gomiboy: thanks.  there is a ton of stuff on the web for 'similar' things, but nothing that fits exactly.
[23:48] <redeyyez> from reading in forums it appears this is a bug in 11.04 though it claims its not in use others say it is anyway.
[23:49] <BluesKaj> redeyyez, yes, if your desktop effects are working then the driver is working properly the message that it's not in use is bogus..been a bug for a while now
[23:52] <redeyyez> yeah i just switched the driver.  There was 2 availible for my card from nvidia.  Wierd flickering on opposite monitor when i resize things.  That and xsrver loves to crash when i run flash in a browser.  Hopefully this other driver will work better
[23:52]  * redeyyez crosses his fingers
[23:53] <Infernet> redeyyez: refresh rate?
[23:53] <Infernet> i have a problem with this
[23:54] <redeyyez> the normal settings shows a different one than nvidia's
[23:54] <redeyyez> 60 hz refresh rate.
[23:56] <redeyyez> i changed the settings / monitor settings one to auto nvidias set it at 60
[23:59] <Infernet> i too


[00:12] <Ryan_Lane> howdy. it seems 14.04 is shipped with a broken virtualenv package? ImportError: No module named _sysconfigdata_nd
[00:12] <Ryan_Lane> looks like it's been this way since 13.04? any plans on this being fixed?
[00:13] <Ryan_Lane> it sucks to need to upgrade virtualenv from pip to have a working python system
[00:15] <sarnold> Ryan_Lane: on a first guess, poke barry in #ubuntu-devel  ?
[00:15] <Ryan_Lane> thanks
[00:22] <Ryan_Lane> ahhh user-error. so great.
[00:22] <sarnold> :)
[00:23] <mwhudson> you always figure those out shortly after complaining in public
[00:23] <Ryan_Lane> yep ;)
[01:55] <bananapie> My sound is not working. I am using sox play to test the problem. If I add 'AUDIODEV=hw:0' before the play command, the sound is ok. Without this line, I get no sound. I think sound is being sent to my hdmi port instead of built in speakers, what do I do?
[02:18] <patdk-lap> sarnold, heh
[02:19] <patdk-lap> this renaming nics is screwing me totally
[02:19] <patdk-lap> all my 12.04 machines have starting having this issue when I updated them today
[02:19] <patdk-lap> eth0 renamed to rename2, eth1 renamed to eth2
[02:19] <patdk-lap> and then boot hangs, cause network isn't functional
[02:19] <sarnold> patdk-lap: how'd it wind up on your 12.04 systems?
[02:20] <patdk-lap> not the devbios thing
[02:20] <patdk-lap> just the normal 70-persistant-net stuff
[02:20] <sarnold> !!
[02:20] <sarnold> man I've never seen that stuff go wrong
[02:20] <patdk-lap> but the issue is just more noticable with that devbios thing
[02:20] <patdk-lap> well, what seems to have started to cause the issue
[02:21] <patdk-lap> I had eth0, and eth1
[02:21] <patdk-lap> then I added eth2, and removed eth0
[02:21] <patdk-lap> but it's getting confused
[02:21] <patdk-lap> cause now renames need to go eth0 -> eth1 and eth1 -> eth2
[02:21] <sarnold> ugh
[02:21] <patdk-lap> but eth0 -> eth1 can't happen, so it calls it rename2, and dunno, gets lots
[02:21] <patdk-lap> lost
[02:22] <patdk-lap> seems like a concurrency issue to me
[02:22] <patdk-lap> no idea what package to even think about for this issue :)
[02:23] <sarnold> udev owns /lib/udev/write_net_rules -- I suspect that's who'd I'd fle the bug against first..
[06:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:13]  * [gnubie] waves
[10:13] <[gnubie]> how am i going to permanently apply my changes to the /lib/init/fstab file? somehow, after i rebooted my system, it went back to its original configuration, removing my changes.
[10:16] <mardraum> vi /etc/fstab ?
[10:16] <mardraum> man fstab?
[10:18] <[gnubie]> mardraum: i know /etc/fstab but somehow, there are few tmpfs based partitions that are not stated in /etc/fstab and they're at /lib/init/fstab
[10:18] <[gnubie]> and i want to edit some options into the tmpfs based partitions
[10:24] <[gnubie]> brb
[10:44] <k3> i want file server that share file among windows and ubuntu pc and sharing is based on the user how can i achieve this?
[10:47] <k3> can any one solve my problem?
[11:03] <k3> i want file server that share file among windows and ubuntu pc and sharing is based on the user how can i achieve this?
[11:03] <yossarianuk> is there any info about doing live snapshots with KVM/libvirtd and QCOW images ?
[11:46] <yossarianuk> tried doing a live backup - using - virsh snapshot-create-as --domain test snap1 --diskspec vda,file=/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/snapshot/test.snap.disk.qcow2,snapshot=external --memspec file=/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/snapshot/mem.snap.disk.qcow2,snapshot=external --atomic
[11:46] <yossarianuk> but get the following error
[11:47] <yossarianuk> error: internal error: unable to execute QEMU command 'transaction': Could not open '/var/lib/libvirt/images/test.img': Could not open '/var/lib/libvirt/images/test.img': Permission denied: Permission denied
[11:47] <yossarianuk> --> running 14.04 .
[11:47] <yossarianuk> any ideas why ?
[12:13] <med_> jamespage, I'll also test the 0.80~rc1 this weekend. Thanks for pushing it out.
[12:13] <jamespage> med_, np
[13:02] <Voyage> this <IP_ADDRESS> is my VPS ip, the VPN is something else.  now is see nmap, the VPS has bazzillions of ports open. I think its because of the openvpn client?   Any idea's where to look? nothing's been updated just started today. I'm afraid to hard power that it won't come back up
[14:46] <BLZbubba> it sure sounds like your hard drive isn't responding.  can you run dmesg?
[14:47] <Kully> yea
[14:47] <BLZbubba> anything interesting toward the end?
[14:49] <Kully> repeats  INFO: task sync:10048 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[14:49] <Kully> and then a bunch of call traces after some hex codes
[14:52] <Kully> if it's harddrive related what would I see
[14:53] <Kully> i'm sorting through
[14:53] <rberg> things like sync never finishing... programs loaded in ram will still work but reading from disk will hang
[14:54] <Kully> ok; so like exactly what i'm getting... great.
[14:56] <rberg> can you see what smart has to say?
[14:59] <Kully> no
[15:12] <Kully> how to run smart with raid
[15:18] <rberg> software raid?
[15:18] <Yaann> Hi !
[15:18] <Yaann> I'm looking for a way to generate a shutdown initramfs on ubuntu, does anybody know how to do that ? It needs to disconnect properly the nbd root device.
[15:24] <onorua> guys, I need to install Ubuntu server on 100 nodes, on encrypted by luks discks
[15:24] <onorua> do you have any documentation on how to do this?
[15:25] <onorua> Something like kicktool for Gentoo
[15:26] <rberg> fai is a great tool for mass imaging.. but I have never used it to setup luks.. so I cant speak for that
[15:31] <xnox> onorua: use automated d-i pressed installation which allows preseeding full-disk luks & passpharases for encryption.
[15:32] <onorua> xnox, I'll give it a try
[15:33] <xnox> onorua: if you google it there is plenty of official resources and guides and howtos.
[16:28] <Elfuego> hey anyone around who might be able to help with an issue im having - high CPU/ram overheads when using SMB shares on ubuntu server
[17:44] <Voyage> heres my ifconfig http://pastie.org/9134287 I want to setup this server (its a vps) as a vpn client. But I dont want to loose ssh and port 8080 access (which does happens when I conenct to vpn server. it looses direct connectivity).  What should be the ips in the rules ip rule add from IP-HERE table 10        ip route add default via IP-HERE table 10
[17:47] <sarnold> Voyage: check your system's routing tables before and after you start the vpn client. I have a feeling the difference between the two will let you know what needs to be modified
[17:47] <Voyage> hm
[17:47] <Voyage> sarnold,  am. how to check the routing table for my VPS?
[17:49] <Voyage> sarnold,  ip route command tells me : for this : default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0  metric 100       ,       <IP_ADDRESS>/27 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS> .       Whats my gateway ip?
[17:50] <sarnold> Voyage: heh can you pastebin that intsead? it's miserable to read in irc :) hehe
[17:50] <Voyage> ok
[17:50] <sarnold> (the pastebinit package is awesome for pastebinning the output of commands)
[17:51] <Voyage> sarnold,  http://pastie.org/9134306
[17:51] <patdk-wk> are you using openvpn?
[17:52] <Voyage> patdk-lap,  yes
[17:52] <sarnold> Voyage: there we go :) <IP_ADDRESS> is your gateway
[17:52] <Voyage> sarnold,  ok
[17:52] <Voyage> sarnold,  am. how to check the routing table for my VPS?
[17:52] <sarnold> sarnold: same thing
[17:53] <patdk-wk> wait, what is the question here?
[17:53] <patdk-wk> oh, you want default route over the vpn
[17:53] <Voyage> so this is ok ?
[17:53] <Voyage> ip rule add from <IP_ADDRESS> table 10
[17:53] <Voyage> ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> table 10
[17:54] <patdk-wk> what is the ip source of these ssh and 8080 clients?
[17:54] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  i wanted to check the table routs before doing anything. as sarnold  suggested
[17:54] <patdk-wk> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:54] <Voyage> yes
[17:54] <patdk-wk> only? ever?
[17:54] <patdk-wk> what?
[17:54] <patdk-wk> that is your own ip
[17:55] <Voyage> .253 is my vps. that is what I have made a vpnclient.    but as soon as I died. I lost ssh and other ports
[17:55] <patdk-wk> this makes no sense
[17:55] <patdk-wk> yes, you don't understand the issue
[17:55] <Voyage> patdk-lap,  .253 is not my own ip
[17:55] <patdk-wk> it's the ip on the vps
[17:55] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  whats the issue?
[17:55] <Voyage> yes
[17:55] <Voyage> so?
[17:55] <patdk-wk> and your running the vpn client on the vps?
[17:55] <Voyage> yes
[17:55] <patdk-wk> so when it connects, you loose ssh to the vps?
[17:55] <Voyage> I connected to to a vps server
[17:55] <Voyage> yes
[17:56] <Voyage> i loose all. even ping
[17:56] <patdk-wk> yes, cause default route is going over the vpn
[17:56] <patdk-wk> is that what you want?
[17:56] <Voyage> hm
[17:56] <patdk-wk> do you want, by default, all internet traffic to use the vpn, or not
[17:56] <Voyage> I want the VPS to browse/ use internet through vpn server. but I also want the VPS to be available for ssh and 808
[17:56] <Voyage> 8080
[17:57] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  got my point?
[17:58] <patdk-wk> ya, but you need to do it another way
[17:58] <Voyage> what way?
[17:58] <patdk-wk> so yo uhave table 10
[17:58] <Voyage> I dont know whats table 10
[17:58] <Voyage> really
[17:59] <Voyage> heres what i got help from https://forums.openvpn.net/topic7175.html
[17:59] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  but first. How can I see the table routes already present. ? like sarnold  suggested?
[18:00] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  secondly, will doing this solve my problem?
[18:00] <Voyage> ip rule add from <IP_ADDRESS> table 10
[18:00] <Voyage> ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> table 10
[18:02] <patdk-wk> http://pastie.org/9134328
[18:02] <patdk-wk> I wonder how well from ip works
[18:02] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  sarnold  http://pastie.org/9134331
[18:03] <patdk-wk> I normally do this via mac address matching
[18:06] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  nothing  chanted with what i did in table 10. http://pastie.org/9134338#1,7-9
[18:06] <patdk-wk> it shouldn't
[18:07] <patdk-wk> cause you didn't change the routing table
[18:07] <Voyage> patdk-lap,  the routing tables should have changed. shouldnt it
[18:07] <patdk-wk> ip rule show
[18:07] <patdk-wk> no
[18:07] <patdk-wk> you are viewing the main table
[18:07] <patdk-wk> you edited table 10
[18:08] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  http://pastie.org/9134346#22
[18:08] <Voyage> patdk-wk, ok. how to see table 10? and after that command that changed table 10 . are we good to go?
[18:09] <patdk-wk> ip route show table 10
[18:09] <Voyage> $ sudo ip route show table 10
[18:09] <Voyage> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[18:09] <patdk-wk> looks ok
[18:09] <Voyage> good to go?
[18:09] <Voyage> ok
[18:09] <Voyage> now I should run the openvpn client. ?
[18:09] <patdk-wk> ya
[18:09] <Voyage> and I wont loose ssh
[18:09] <Voyage> ok
[18:09] <Voyage> great
[18:10] <patdk-wk> no idea
[18:10] <Voyage> let me see
[18:10] <Voyage> am..
[18:10] <Voyage> no idea? why?
[18:10] <patdk-wk> I have never tested with that method
[18:10] <Voyage> https://forums.openvpn.net/topic7175.html
[18:10] <Voyage> oh ok
[18:10] <patdk-wk> in my case, I was concerned about the source mac address of packets, not the source ip
[18:10] <patdk-wk> cuase the source ip, I was sending to many gateways
[18:10] <Voyage> k
[18:10] <Voyage> will get back in a minut after starting
[18:11] <patdk-wk> I was doing symetric multihoming
[18:11] <patdk-wk> asymetric is much simpler
[18:23] <patdk-wk> so ,either it worked
[18:23] <patdk-wk> or he lost his internet
[18:24] <sarnold> lets hope it worked :) i don't know details of any of the vpn things..
[18:24] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  looks working.! thanks! I just dont know how to be sure that openvpm wont stop as close the console (ssh console to vps)
[18:24] <patdk-wk> use nohup
[18:24] <patdk-wk> or better yet
[18:24] <sarnold> Voyage: you could run it in tmux or screen
[18:24] <patdk-wk> just set it up correctly in /etc/openvpn
[18:24] <sarnold> oo
[18:24] <sarnold> better
[18:24] <patdk-wk> and use the /etc/default/openvpn to do it
[18:25] <Voyage> sarnold,  or just on "screen"?
[18:27] <Voyage> hm
[18:28] <Voyage> Now if some one wget / curl some site on the VPS , it will use the ip of VPNserver ? correct
[18:29] <chestwood96> can anyone quickly eplain something about load averages?
[18:35] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  sarnold  it seems that I cant ping google or wget google or do anything from VPS but I can how ever , on my local pc, do ssh -D 8080 moez@theVPS-IP and browse web. guess what. the whatismyip.com tells me that my ip is of the VPN server
[18:37] <patdk-wk> Voyage, that is what you wanted
[18:37] <patdk-wk> you said you wanted all internet traffic to go over the vpn, by default
[18:37] <Voyage> hm
[18:38] <patdk-wk> now, if it isn't working, it's an issue with your vpn
[18:38] <patdk-wk> what changed had nothing to do with that
[18:38] <Voyage> if i do ping google.com form my VPS. it should work. no?
[18:38] <patdk-wk> I don't know
[18:38] <patdk-wk> I didn't setup the vpn, or setup the firewall rules on it
[18:44] <sarnold> chestwood96: load averages aren't as useful for measuring a system's load as their name implies :)
[18:45] <chestwood96> but they show that it is overloaded dont they?
[18:46] <chestwood96> A system load of 8 is not good on a songle core system if i get this right
[18:46] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  see. mylocal pc > -D 8080 Vps (which is VPN client) > vpn server. works fine.       but when I ssh to my vps, ping google or do wget or curl. Resolving google.com (google.com)... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
[18:47] <sarnold> chestwood96: it could be that you've got eight tasks set to run at an idle or low priority, it might not be anything to worry about or it might be big trouble -- it's more useful as a measure over time than any specific measurement
[18:47] <patdk-wk> well, there would be your next issue
[18:47] <sarnold> Voyage: does your vps have a route to a dns server?
[18:47] <patdk-wk> your turned up the vpn
[18:47] <patdk-wk> can you stil lcontact your dns servers?
[18:47] <patdk-wk> man
[18:48] <Gallomimia> using ubuntu server 14.04 installer to install a new system (on my desktop, as suggested by them, will add desktop packages later) with encrypted LVM on top of a software raid5. does the raid need a first partition with some kind of unencrypted boot volume, who determines what size it is and installs the various things, and how do i then configure my encrypted volumes afterward, with mountable such and such
[18:48] <chestwood96> well i am running a raid5 mdadm array wich i am triing to share over nfs
[18:49] <chestwood96> and i get reasonable writes locally but less than 10mb/s over nfs
[18:49] <Gallomimia> yeah that i want to do secon
[18:49] <Voyage> sarnold,  I dont know... patdk-wk  how to find out?
[18:49] <Gallomimia> ew slowness
[18:49] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  sarnold  how to contact  dns servers?
[18:49] <sarnold> Voyage: find the ips of your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf and make sure that you have routes that can cover those resolvers
[18:50] <Voyage> sarnold,  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:50] <Voyage> search keyreactions.com
[18:51] <sarnold> Voyage: does your routes let you reach that host? any chance ping to it works?
[18:51] <Voyage> sarnold,  how to create routes for that now?
[18:51] <Voyage> should I ping  <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[18:51] <Gallomimia> diagnose before making changes
[18:51] <sarnold> Gallomimia++ :)
[18:52] <Voyage> sarnold,   ping  <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:52] <Voyage> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[18:52] <Voyage> .. no output
[18:52] <chestwood96> sarnold: the hardware is really weak so it is likely to overload
[18:52] <Voyage> sarnold,  ya. I cant ping the  <IP_ADDRESS>. what should I do
[18:53] <sarnold> chestwood96: could be; check ps aux -- and look for 'R' and 'D' tasks; the 'R' tasks are ready to run and the 'D' tasks are blocked on IO; hopefully that'll give you some feeling of which tasks are being starved
[18:54] <sarnold> Voyage: since the kernel didn't complain about a route to the host, you've got a route -- it may not make sense for a local dns resolver if it goes back to your laptop or something -- so if the packets aren't getting responses they've either been firewalled on your vps or elsewhere...
[18:55] <Voyage> sarnold,  everything was working fine untill the changes.
[18:55] <Voyage> sarnold,  the above said things are done on the vps
[18:56] <sarnold> Voyage: I don't know if openvpn decided to firewall off everything or if it decided to install broad routes over its tunnel rather than specific small routes over the tunnel...
[18:57] <chestwood96> so there is a kworker procces on D and some jbd2/md0-8 when writing locally
[18:57] <Gallomimia> i had this problem when i was trying to configure my vpn. i eventually gave up. i wanted local traffic on my box to still take local routes and only traffic to the internet would use the vpn. i couldn't get it working. but your dns packets aren't going where they should. either you have the wrong dns now configured, and it should be something in your vpn's services, not something at home. perhaps its still set as your local
[18:58] <Gallomimia> anyone know how to install a bootable encrypted raid5?
[18:59] <Gallomimia> im a little mystified halfway thru the config
[19:00] <chestwood96> sarnold: when writing over nfs there are 4 nfs processes on D
[19:00] <sarnold> Gallomimia: hrm. I'm got a feeling I've heard that grub is far happier with mirrors than with other raid types.. throwing in encryption can't make it any easier :)
[19:01] <sarnold> chestwood96: sounds fair. you may be able to tune the nfs processes in some way -- block sizes, tcp window sizes, etc., but I'd go slowly when making changes
[19:02] <chestwood96> sarnold: for some reasons reads are ok over nfs, i get 110mb/s wich is pretty much gigabit
[19:02] <sarnold> chestwood96: oh, try local writes to the same pool?
[19:02] <chestwood96> my clients are 2 xenserver6.2 (centos) machines
[19:03] <chestwood96> local writes are about 130mb/s the mdadm array runns pretty well
[19:04] <sarnold> chestwood96: are those read speeds because the clients are using cached reads rather than going to the server for their reads? :)
[19:04] <Voyage> sarnold,  after this http://pastie.org/9134455      I cannot do ping google.com from the vps. but I can how ever do  mylocal pc > -D 8080 Vps (which is VPN client) > vpn server. works fine.       but when I ssh to my vps, ping google or do wget or curl. Resolving google.com (google.com)... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
[19:04]  * Gallomimia imagines this install magically working and presses forward
[19:05] <chestwood96> sarnold: i do not know where that would becahced im triing with 1GB files
[19:07] <Voyage> sarnold,  patdk-wk  any clue?
[19:07] <mesut> is it possible port ubuntu touch htc desire hd ?
[19:08] <sarnold> mesut: try #ubuntu-touch ?
[19:08] <Gallomimia> anything's possible. the question becomes are you going to do it?
[19:08] <sarnold> Voyage: hrm, no, looks like that ought to work :)
[19:08] <mesut> opss sory
[19:08] <Voyage> then why sarnold , the dns is not working?
[19:08] <chestwood96> sarnold: btw iscsi has slightly lower reads but more than tripple writes (35mb/s)
[19:18] <BLZbubba> ok this is weird, i have a mysql test that is cpu bound - using 100% of every core - but load avg is under 1.  how can that happen?
[19:19] <patdk-wk> BLZbubba, exactly what does the one have to do with the other?
[19:19] <patdk-wk> do you know what loadavg is?
[19:19] <sarnold> BLZbubba: sounds like the machine does nothing else
[19:20] <Voyage> sarnold,  for learning . this is very strange. what possible reasons can there be?
[19:20] <patdk-wk> voyage, basic networking 101
[19:21] <sarnold> Voyage: firewalling on your local system, firewalling on your gateway, firewalling before the dns server, firewalling on the dns server, access control lists on the dns server.. yanked wires, broken switches, broken routers, it goes on :)
[19:21] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  ya, but what did I do wrong
[19:22] <Voyage> ..... :(
[19:22] <Voyage> sarnold,  can I be close or with a clue. there would be a solution any way
[19:22] <patdk-wk> Voyage, I didn't setup your vps, your vpn, your ..., I dunno
[19:24] <sarnold> Voyage: I'm sure there's a solution, it's all just software, but I don't know enough about your provider or you system to really offer a good next step. if your vps can directly contact dns servers itself you could run your own recursive resolver such as pdns-recursor, but that's a big step to take if you don't want its other features..
[19:24] <Voyage> patdk-wk,  sarnold  line 72. thats where the vps was setup. normal. http://pastie.org/9134455#69
[19:31] <chestwood96> sarnod: would more cpu power fix my problem?
[19:31] <sarnold> chestwood96: no idea, sorry
[19:31] <chestwood96> sarnold: the machine could just be insufizient
[19:31] <sarnold> chestwood96: could be, or could be some tuning could make it more effective.
[19:32] <Elfuego> side note - do you know if they fixed the issue with loading huge SMB shares causing a large amount of cpuram usage
[19:32] <chestwood96> itl like a dinosaur athlon 64 i blought for 12 bucks including a mainboard
[19:33] <sarnold> chestwood96: hahah fantastic :) performance per dollar is pretty good ;)
[19:34] <chestwood96> it did its initial job pretty well but mow i repurpoused it
[19:34] <chestwood96> it was easily strong enough to let my spare 7970 mine a buch of dogecoin
[19:34] <sarnold> wow much coin!
[19:34] <chestwood96> well i stoped because of power efficiency
[19:36] <mgw> stgraber: yesterday I asked about resolv.conf behavior and you said the secondary is only used for failover
[19:36] <mgw> But I mis-presented my situation
[19:36] <mgw> I actually have dhcp+resolvconf+dnsmasq
[19:36] <mgw> and dhcp is serving up two IPs
[19:37] <mgw> I want to be sure that if I take the secondary (as served by dhcp) offline, everything will continue smoothly
[19:37] <sarnold> take it out of the dhcp configuration beforehand?
[19:37] <mgw> that's probably the safe way
[19:37] <chestwood96> sarnold: I could get a core 2 for 40 bucks, that should do doesnt it ?
[19:38] <mgw> and then, what's a safe way to force renewal
[19:38] <mgw> I have salt installed, but am afraid of losing connectivity
[19:38] <mgw> if I run dhclient -r
[19:38] <sarnold> mgw: easiest is to wait however many seconds you've configured :)
[19:38] <mgw> sarnold: thanks. And second easiest?
[19:38] <sarnold> chestwood96: could be, those core 2 chips sure seemed impressive seven or eight years back :)
[19:39] <sarnold> mgw: dunno :/
[19:39] <mgw> sarnold: thanks
[19:39] <mgw> if I run dhclient -r I will lose network, right?
[19:40] <sarnold> mgw: probably; you could also try ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 -- or whatever the nics are ..
[19:40] <chestwood96> sarnold: its apparantly about 3x faster than the 3000+ so that might work
[19:41] <sarnold> chestwood96 :D
[19:43] <chestwood96> but as I googled this seems to be a bug with nfs
[19:45] <sarnold> chestwood96: could be, among my pals it seems more folks prefer to use illumos-based nfs servers than linux nfs servers, but that may say more about my pals than the situation :) hehe
[19:45] <chestwood96> what are illumos-based servers?
[19:45] <sarnold> chestwood96: smartos, omnios, openindiana, nexenta
[19:47] <chestwood96> sarnold: as if that poor old 3000+ could handle ZFS
[19:47] <sarnold> :)
[19:51] <chestwood96> sarnold: Thanks a lot it was apleasure talking to you, i am going to try out ubuntu 10.10 where it apparantly works(according to the bugtracker) cya
[19:52] <sarnold> chestwood96: yikes
[19:52] <sarnold> chestwood96: 10.10 has been eol for ever :)
[19:53] <sarnold> chestwood96: pick from one of these :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:53] <sarnold> chestwood96: 12.04 LTS or 14.04 LTS would be 'best' choices, you won't have to upgrade immediately and they should be pretty stable
[19:55] <chestwood96> its running 14.04 atm
[19:55] <chestwood96> pretty fresh install
[19:55] <sarnold> oh good good
[19:56] <chestwood96> but there seems to be a bug in >10.10 where nfs goes ammok https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1006446
[19:58] <sarnold> chestwood96: comment #29 mentions switching to the deadline scheduler; switching schedulers may do the trick and would be far faster to test :)
[19:59] <chestwood96> im at it just have to fund out how
[19:59] <sarnold> chestwood96: comment #49 also looks easy and simple to try thogh it may not be -your- problem... but again, some tuning may help
[20:00] <chestwood96> allready tried 49 -> reads went down writes stayed the same
[20:01] <sarnold> chestwood96: so, scheduler.. look around in /sys for a block/sda/ directory -- mine has it under /sys/devices/blahblah/ in a really inconvient location :) but go find those..
[20:02] <sarnold> chestwood96: ah, find /sys -name scheduler  ought to find them
[20:02] <sarnold> chestwood96: cat those schedulers, see what they are, and pick a different one to test with :)
[20:04] <chestwood96> cat /sys/devices/virtual/block/md0/queue/scheduler returns "none" am I doing it wrong?
[20:04] <sarnold> chestwood96: how about the block devices underneath the raid?
[20:07] <Voyage> sarnold,  patdk-wk  I see that when the openvpn is closed. I get normal internet connectivity back. Now I can use DNS and ping google.com
[20:07] <patdk-wk> yes, cause your dns servers are foobar
[20:07] <patdk-wk> we know that
[20:07] <patdk-wk> use dns servers provided by your vpn
[20:07] <Voyage> foobar?
[20:07] <patdk-wk> make sure dns works over the vpn
[20:07] <Voyage> ok. how?
[20:07] <patdk-wk> I dunno, I didn't setup the vpn
[20:08] <Voyage> how to use the dns provided by my vpn?
[20:08] <patdk-wk> again, I didn't setup your vpn
[20:08] <Voyage> any idea?
[20:08] <chestwood96> sarnold: i think ill just put the drives into one of the xenserver hosts and share it from there they got plenty of power
[20:09] <sarnold> chestwood96: hehe makes sense
[20:09] <sarnold> give that poor machine a rest :)
[20:09] <chestwood96> sarnold: the actual point of it was to have the storage separated so i can turn of either one without compormising the other
[20:12] <chestwood96> sarnold: tanks again, you were very helpfull. good night whatever timezone youre in
[20:13] <sarnold> chestwood96: thanks, have fun! :)
[22:10] <rostam> Hi I see some of the ubuntu packages have "ocaml", what it means? thx
[22:10] <sarnold> rostam: ocaml is a functional programming language similar to ml or haskell
[22:11] <sarnold> rostam: those would probably be language bindings for whatever library it is into ocaml
[22:12] <rostam> sarnold, thank you.
[22:26] <raydeo> does anyone know why upstart (consistently) gets into unfixable states for me? specifically "start nginx" <hang/Ctrl-C> "status nginx" <start/starting> "stop nginx" <hang/Ctrl-C> "status nginx" <stop/starting> "start nginx" <start/starting> rinse/repeat
[22:27] <raydeo> I have other scripts with this behavior, and I cannot find any workaround to even get out of this state.. if I copy nginx.conf to nginx2.conf and start that, it works fine. I have this problem on 12.04 was hoping 14.04 would solve it no to avail.
[22:27] <raydeo> the only way to fix the nginx state appears to be to reboot
[22:27] <raydeo> but more importantly why does it keep breaking
[22:30] <Elfuego> nginx is pretty hard to get worknig right - but ones u do its pretty solid
[22:30] <raydeo> sorry but this isn't an nginx question specifically
[22:30] <raydeo> I have other services that are breaking in upstart as well
[22:32] <rostam> HI I am getting a linker error and I do not what package I am missing: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `schro_decoder_reset'      How could I find the missing package and resolve it? thx
[23:09] <sarnold> rostam: looks kinda like "schroedinger" of some sort: http://ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/search?weighted=1&q=schro_decoder_reset
[23:11] <rostam> sarnold, thank you


[14:58] <bdrung> \o
[14:59] <liushuyu> o/
[14:59] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[14:59] <ogayot> o/
[14:59] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:00] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-28-sep-2023/39009
[15:00] <xypron> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00]  * juliank will have to update tomorrow because brain too slow today
[15:03] <bdmurray> "dead weight"
[15:03] <dviererbe> o/
[15:04] <dbungert> bdmurray: that's the belief, yes
[15:04] <bdmurray> my comment was about word choice
[15:04] <bdmurray> I don't think I've heard that in a while
[15:05] <juliank> you may also enjoy the word salad I come up with today
[15:09] <juliank> .
[15:10] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:10] <juliank> bug 2037425
[15:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037425 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Mantic) "ubuntu-server pulls in ZFS userspace" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037425
[15:11] <juliank> dbungert:
[15:11] <juliank> ?
[15:12] <dbungert> work in progress, next step is a review from server.  I think we can untag mm.
[15:12] <juliank> ack
[15:13] <juliank> bug 2036999
[15:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036999 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity: Wifi password not copied to new install Edit" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036999
[15:13] <dbungert> I have untagged 425
[15:13] <juliank> as did I when I wrote ack :D
[15:13] <dbungert> hah
[15:14] <juliank> bug 2036997 is related
[15:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036997 in netplan.io (Ubuntu) "Wifi password not copied to new install since netplan transition" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036997
[15:14] <juliank> one is old installer, other new instalelr
[15:15] <dbungert> ubuntu-desktop-installer has a postinstall hook that handles this, so that hook should be updated
[15:16] <danilogondolfo> Yes, this I suppose https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/blob/main/snap/local/postinst.d/10_copy_network_config
[15:16] <juliank> I tagged them foundations-todo
[15:16] <juliank> bug 2037210
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037210 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "unable to add PPA by its sources.list line" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037210
[15:17] <juliank> this makes sense, yes
[15:17] <juliank> we did not implement conversion of lines to PPAs
[15:17] <juliank> I didn't expect people would actually pass PPA lines
[15:18] <juliank> We're going to have to fix that some way but not necesarily for the release
[15:19] <juliank> oh it's also tagged todo already
[15:19] <juliank> I'm just removing incoming
[15:19] <juliank> bug 2033440
[15:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033440 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Mantic) "ubuntu-desktop: unnecessary hard 'Depends: pipewire-audio'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033440
[15:19] <vorlon> still Not For Us
[15:19] <juliank> ack
[15:19] <juliank> bug 2036440
[15:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036440 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Choosing 'Try Ubuntu' on daily-legacy image produced a crash" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036440
[15:19] <bdmurray> very repeatable
[15:20] <vorlon> and we need to fix apport?
[15:21] <bdrung> we should fix bugs #2015857 and the desktop team should fix the gnome-shell crash
[15:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015857 in apport (Ubuntu) "Repeatedly unusable truncated crash files (on log-out)" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015857
[15:21] <juliank> I still don't know
[15:21] <vorlon> should we close on the apport task on 2036440 then?
[15:21] <vorlon> close out
[15:21] <bdmurray> ^- that
[15:21] <juliank> I think that sounds reasoanably
[15:22] <juliank> done
[15:22] <juliank> bug 2037015
[15:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037015 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Screen corruption of slides during install on Raspberry Pi" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037015
[15:22] <bdmurray> From a release team or QA team perspective I don't have try ubuntu crash right away is great
[15:22] <bdrung> 2015857 needs to be fixed first. afterwards we might want to tweak the apport gnome-shell hook.
[15:23] <bdmurray> We could do something shady like blacklist gnome-shell crashes in the live environment?
[15:23] <juliank> I suggest discussing the details outside the meeting
[15:25] <juliank> I guess we tag this one todo but probably this needs someone with a pi to actually do the work
[15:25] <waveform> I need to double-check this with the new images with the updated mesa; I mostly filed the bug to remind myself to do that
[15:25] <juliank> I'll just assign it to you
[15:25] <waveform> sure
[15:26] <juliank> accidentally assigned it to me, lol
[15:26] <juliank> but fixed now
[15:26] <juliank> bug 2037202
[15:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037202 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "Mantic/23.10: PXE boot tries to initialize DHCP before network link is up" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037202
[15:26] <juliank> in the initramfs tools
[15:26] <bdrung> someone should try to reproduce (but I will be on vacation)
[15:27] <juliank> sad
[15:27] <juliank> oh but this is kernel, does kernel not have special capser initrd?
[15:28] <juliank> anyway tagged
[15:28] <juliank> bug 2036604 we are going to skip over this cycle, nothing we can do right now
[15:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036604 in shim (Ubuntu) "Synchronous Exception when booting VMs via qemu-efi-aarch64" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036604
[15:28] <juliank> bug 2037228
[15:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037228 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox doesn't work after 23.10 upgrade" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037228
[15:30] <bdmurray> jbicha: you confirmed this bug did you recreate it?
[15:31] <vorlon> it doesn't look like a u-r-u issue anyway, should we just close that task invalid (for now)?
[15:31] <juliank> Reassign that task to snapd :D
[15:32] <juliank> I just do
[15:32] <juliank> and https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty, hooray
[15:32] <juliank> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:32] <juliank> still has bug 1990798
[15:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990798
[15:33] <juliank> but pro folks are on that
[15:33] <juliank> and https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty too
[15:33] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:33] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:33] <juliank> vorlon: only light gray today :D
[15:33] <vorlon> none of our own packages are "late", but we also don't have much time left before release
[15:34] <vorlon> a lot of systemd autopkgtest failures on arm64
[15:34] <vorlon> enr0n: do you know what this is about? blocking a lot of kernels apparently, that it didn't before
[15:34] <juliank> oh I should unblock grub2 I suppose
[15:34] <vorlon> OTOH linux-meta-azure on arm64 is sort of a non-thing
[15:34] <enr0n> vorlon: looking
[15:34] <vorlon> thanks
[15:35] <vorlon> LP: #2030482 seems to still be blocked on MIR process
[15:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2030482 in s390-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] s390-tools Rust dependencies (vendored)" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030482
[15:35] <juliank> oof
[15:36] <vorlon> and then there's glibc
[15:36] <vorlon> schopin is out I think?  is someone else driving this?
[15:36] <ginggs> i'll retry things
[15:37] <vorlon> ok
[15:37] <enr0n> vorlon: I have not seen that error before so I will need to look closer
[15:37] <ginggs> (hopefully all that's needed)
[15:37] <vorlon> then that's it for proposed-migration
[15:37] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:37] <juliank> ginggs:
[15:38] <ginggs> LP: #2031879
[15:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2031879 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Fail to remove a device via 'mdadm -r' on ubuntu server 22.04.3" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031879
[15:38] <jbicha> bdmurray: yes, I experienced that Firefox bug a week ago
[15:38] <ginggs> in the email to foundations-crew, it was asked "should I tell them to just not use -r?"
[15:39] <ginggs> and apparently the patch ust removes the -r option from the help output so that users only see --remove as an option
[15:39] <juliank> so they ask for the fix in the commit to be SRUed really I think?
[15:39] <ginggs> which i think is pretty much the same thing
[15:39] <bdrung> i'll be on vacation starting from end of today
[15:40] <bdmurray> jbicha: Could you provide more details in the bug? Like answering comment #2.
[15:42] <juliank> ginggs: are there two meanings of -r?
[15:42] <ginggs> you can --manage -r
[15:42] <dbungert> mdadm manpage still mentions -r for remove, we should hit that also.
[15:43] <ginggs> and --monitor -t
[15:43] <ginggs> err
[15:43] <ginggs> -- monitor -r
[15:43] <ginggs> which are different
[15:44] <juliank> OK I added tasks for jammy and lunar
[15:44] <juliank> I guess lunar can also be Won't fix but meh
[15:44] <juliank> I don't think it warrants tagging particularly
[15:44] <juliank> ginggs: Does that sound right?
[15:45] <ginggs> my question was really, is this worth fixing?
[15:45] <ginggs> --remove works
[15:45] <juliank> I probably should take some time off next week, tuesday is a holiday, and I need to go visit the cat and play
[15:45] <bdmurray> What are the consequences of using `-r`?
[15:45] <ginggs> and per the email, the patch just removes -r from the help
[15:46] <juliank> it changes the options
[15:46] <bdmurray> Is there data loss involved?
[15:46] <juliank> the parsing of them in getopt
[15:46] <ginggs> bdmurray: you get no output -- nothing happens
[15:46] <bdmurray> the pfft
[15:46] <bdmurray> s/the/then/
[15:46] <juliank> I suggest taking this back to the mailing thread
[15:47] <juliank> If there's no other business in 20s I'll end the meeting
[15:47] <juliank> OK I guess that's it then?
[15:47] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:47:45 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-09-28-14.59.moin.txt