[00:00] <gomiboy> Atomhunter: you can do raids with partitions or entire disks, your choice
[00:00] <Atomhunter> i need the entire disks... *sigh* this is more complicated that I expected...
[00:00] <gaelle> gomiboy: removing pulseaudio did not help... arg.. now i can reinstall it
[00:01] <Atomhunter> i should prolly install mdadm....
[00:04] <gomiboy> Atomhunter: i suppose ubuntu server has install time options to setup a raid, never tried...
[00:04] <Atomhunter> yea... i but i dont' want to install the OS on the raid... which it always wanted to do (or all the tuts show me...)
[00:06] <Atomhunter> know a way to boot from cd without an attached monitor?
[00:06] <gomiboy> Atomhunter: i think os on raid is a Good Thing (tm) :P
[00:07] <gomiboy> you can make 2 partitions, for sys and for data
[00:07] <Atomhunter> lol I would... except i need the 1.5tb to back up my desktop too...
[00:07] <Atomhunter> and the 320 gb is enough for the OS
[00:12] <gomiboy> Atomhunter: there are for sure "advanced" partitioning options during install that will let you do what you want...
[00:12] <Atomhunter> yea... *sighs and crawls under desk to reconnect vga from desktop to server*
[00:14] <gomiboy> Atomhunter: i have to go, if you have questions maybe #ubuntu-server is a better place, bye
[00:14] <Atomhunter> oh sweet thanks... didn't know there was an ubuntu server
[00:15] <penguin42> when I slide between workspaces I get a grid but the grid doesn't show anything in it; on Gnome the corresponding grid shows a preview of the desktops rather like KDEs ctrl-F8 view - is there a way to get that into the workspace slider?
[02:17] <joeb_> BBB"
[02:17] <joeb_> err .. wrong command
[03:17] <chrisf_> Testing...  123.
[03:20] <chrisf_> Is anyone seeing this?
[03:21] <iflema> !test again | chrisf_
[03:23] <iflema> yes
[03:23] <iflema> =)
[03:23] <valorie> chrisf_: this chan is for support
[03:24] <valorie> if you have a question, ask it
[03:24] <chrisf_> It's been a decade since I've been on IRC so excuse the noobieness...
[03:24] <valorie> welcome back
[03:24] <chrisf_> I'm struggling with grub2. Is there a channel for that?
[03:25] <valorie> I don't know much about it, but ask away
[03:25] <valorie> !grub
[03:25] <valorie> !grub2
[03:25] <valorie> those links might help also
[03:25] <chrisf_> I have lost grub after installing Windows but I made it past that :-)...
[03:27] <valorie> cool
[03:27] <chrisf_> I just installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a thumbdrive. Works OK so far but the installer added the pendrive to the grub menu and I think made it the default. Now when I remove the pendrive grub gets mad.
[03:27] <valorie> the /grub2 link should be comprehensive
[03:27] <valorie> ah
[03:27] <valorie> this is a bug I ran into also
[03:28] <valorie> the second link should help you fix that
[03:28] <valorie> I went about it in a rather half-assed way
[03:28] <valorie> lol
[03:28] <chrisf_> Thanks for the help I'll check the link.
[03:29] <valorie> :-)
[03:30] <S74rk7> Evening Everyone! :)
[03:31] <S74rk7> I was wondering... has anyone any suggestions for a firewall GUI for kubtunu?
[03:32] <iflema> !info guarddog
[03:32] <valorie> !firewall
[03:32] <valorie> :-)
[03:32] <iflema> was going to put bulldog =)
[03:32] <valorie> pitbull!
[03:33] <valorie> :-)
[03:33] <S74rk7> So if I get poodle - is that the pink gui ;)
[03:33] <iflema> S74rk7: ufw command on the cli are very simple
[03:33] <S74rk7> lol
[03:35] <valorie> poodle sounds foofy!
[03:35] <valorie> the pink gui is fluffy
[03:35] <valorie> !fluffy
[03:35] <iflema> ufw enable    then    ufw default deny done =)
[03:36] <valorie> sad, ubottu doesn't know about fluffy
[03:36] <S74rk7> @iflema, valorie - thanks for the suggestions - gonna check them out now :)
[03:37] <S74rk7> maybe we should put together a pink fluffy - foofy friendly gui and then we can add it to the bot listings :)
[03:37] <S74rk7> lol
[03:37] <valorie> fluffy is done
[03:37] <valorie> apachelogger/fregl collaboration
[03:38] <S74rk7> fluffy is real?
[03:38] <valorie> I think there was some alcohol involved
[03:38] <valorie> lol
[03:38]  * S74rk7 alcohol = guilty 8)
[03:38] <S74rk7> lol
[03:39] <valorie> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fluffy?content=125581
[03:40] <S74rk7> wow...
[03:40] <S74rk7> lol
[03:40] <S74rk7> colourful
[03:41] <S74rk7> not my thing tbh
[03:41] <S74rk7> lol
[03:42] <S74rk7> have you guys ever used that package "KleanSweep" ?
[03:44] <valorie> no, what is it supposed to do?
[03:44] <valorie> had to take the dog out....
[03:45] <valorie> on fluffy, also: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/
[03:45] <valorie> there is a serious side to it also
[03:45] <iflema> lols... whats fluffy??
[03:45] <valorie> or.... semi-serious
[03:45] <S74rk7> its looks dangerous - could kill your os ... its just a kind of "Cleaner" - like scans for orphaned files n the like?
[03:45] <valorie> basically, a children's distro
[03:45] <valorie> ah
[03:45] <S74rk7> be a bit like CCleaner for windoze?
[03:46] <valorie> personally, I would rather trust apt-get
[03:46] <valorie> do sudo apt-get --help
[03:46] <valorie> and try clean or autoclean
[03:46] <Pranav_rcmas> Upon logging into Kubuntu 10.10, I get this error: 'Cannot open ConsoleKit session:The permission of the setuid helper is not correct'. My NTFS drives have disappeared, and it also says that ALSA and Flash Player are not found. Yesterday everything was fine. Help please?
[03:46] <valorie> that works, and will protect your system
[03:46] <S74rk7> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28631  <--- KleanSweep KDE ... the one I'm talking about
[03:47] <S74rk7> looks like you could do a bit of harm though if you didn't know what you were doing...  :)
[03:47] <valorie> Pranav_rcmas: sounds like maybe a hard disk problem
[03:48] <Pranav_rcmas> Ouch. Alright, thanks for the help :)
[03:48] <iflema> Pranav_rcmas: what has changed... what was inatalled/updated yesterday.... anything? what did u do =)
[03:48] <Pranav_rcmas> Well, I installed new updates from packagekit
[03:49] <Pranav_rcmas> I do remember that one update was broken though
[03:50] <iflema> Pranav_rcmas: broken?
[03:51] <Pranav_rcmas1> If anyone replied, sorry, missed it after this: <Pranav_rcmas> I do remember that one update was broken though
[03:52] <Pranav_rcmas1> When I open the KPackageKit, it shows 'Unknown error happened'.
[03:52] <valorie> hmmm
[03:52] <Pranav_rcmas1> There was one broken package, I think it was a dbus update.
[03:53] <valorie> that sounds likely
[03:53] <Pranav_rcmas1> Is there a chance that dbus is not disabled or something?
[03:53] <Pranav_rcmas1> I mean, not *enabled
[03:54] <valorie> personally, I would do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:54] <iflema> what version of KDE4.... the default or you put 4.6 on it? Maybe try bring up a command line and type   sudo apt-get update    then do     sudo apt-get upgrade     and see what it reports. the upgrade option will attempt to update installed packages
[03:54] <valorie> and see if you can get that update fixed
[03:55] <Pranav_rcmas1> Default version
[03:55] <Pranav_rcmas1> I'm doing the upgrade right now, will get back. Thanks for the help!
[03:55] <valorie> S74rk7: did you notice that Kleensweep is a KDE3 app?
[03:55] <Pranav_rcmas1> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
[03:55] <Pranav_rcmas1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:56] <Pranav_rcmas1> :S
[03:56] <iflema> :S
[03:57] <S74rk7> valorie: I did, but I opened it and it seemed to run and scan fine - I was curious though, does that have any effect?
[03:57] <iflema> Pranav_rcmas1: have a little google also and see if any other are in the same boat... maybe even *ubuntuforums* and *askubuntu* as well... ive no GUI here right now!
[03:58] <Pranav_rcmas1> I googled before coming here, actually :)
[03:58] <valorie> it should just remove empty folders and files
[03:58] <valorie> which shouldn't hurt anything
[03:58] <valorie> from what I read
[03:59] <Pranav_rcmas1> How do I log into tty console in kubuntu?
[03:59] <Pranav_rcmas1> *tty1
[03:59] <iflema> Pranav_rcmas1: try in  a terminal   sudo service dbus status
[03:59] <S74rk7> it seems to find plenty though, what I mean is, I let it scan for like 5mins and check it and it found around 190MB.... and still climbing...
[04:00] <Pranav_rcmas1> dbus start/running, process 864
[04:01] <S74rk7> what makes me curious though, see part of the switch from windows to linux, the bit I'm still trying to get my head around is how to maintain a linux system..
[04:01] <iflema> Pranav_rcmas1: ctrl+alt+F2    F7 will get you back or stop KDM  sudo servicekdm stop
[04:02] <S74rk7> I mean in windows, you had a array of disk defragging programs, registry scanners and all the rest of it - techniques to try keep your system running smoothly....
[04:02] <S74rk7> but in linux, I've been told there is no need for a defragging the harddrive
[04:02] <S74rk7> due to the EXT4 format...
[04:03]  * iflema winblows!
[04:03] <S74rk7> that was impressive I thought, and when I ask people about AntiVirus... most people tend to ask me why I want to bother first off...
[04:04] <iflema> S74rk7: virus scanner 4 linux = scan the files/email you serve to windows users
[04:04] <valorie> no, defragging isn't needed
[04:04] <S74rk7> that rocks lol
[04:04] <valorie> most people never need an antivirus
[04:04] <Pranav_rcmas> iflema, 'sudo servicekdm stop:command not found' and 'sudo service kdm stop: stop: Unknown instance: '
[04:05] <valorie> gosh, I don't miss those at all
[04:05] <S74rk7> the speed + stability in linux is unreal...
[04:05] <iflema> put a gap between service and kdm =)
[04:05] <Pranav_rcmas> Yeah, I did :)
 iflema, 'sudo servicekdm stop:command not found' and 'sudo service kdm stop: stop: Unknown instance: '
[04:05] <iflema> oh, really! try gdm
[04:06] <S74rk7> I mean it was windows 7 I was using when I bought the laptop - and I didn't have any issues ... Windows 7 is a hell of an improvement for Microsoft - if anyone has much experience here with prev windows distros you'll know what I mean
[04:07] <chrisf_> After installing Kubuntu onto a pendrive my PC will no longer boot without it. I found the grub.cfg file being used on the pendrive. The other grub.cfg is intact on the harddrive but PC no longer uses it. PC is set to only boot from harddrive so how/why is it using pendrive? A better question is how do I switch it back?
[04:07] <chrisf_> Any ideas?
[04:08] <S74rk7> but is there really no kind of routine scanners or maintaince task needed to be done in linux?
[04:08] <iflema> chrisf_: id grab a copy of supergrub disk and boot to the installed kubuntu and then reset grub
[04:08] <iflema> chrisf_: if you can get in allready even better... just reinstall grub2
[04:09] <iflema> Pranav_rcmas: it may be    gdm    depending on your setup
[04:11] <iflema> S74rk7: maybe some cleaning up with apt-get!?! on the occasions occasionally
[04:11] <chrisf_> Thanks for the advice. I'll try re-installing grub2.
[04:12]  * iflema i gotta p bbl
[04:22] <S74rk7> iflema: thanks dude... was just looking the commands there from that "Linux in a Nutshell" book... it has everything... need it on pdf so I could search it would sometimes be quicker lol
[04:22] <Pranav_rcmas> iflema, this fixed the problem -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705223 :)
[04:23] <S74rk7> apt-get clean,autoclean, autoremove, check and all that :)
[04:25] <iflema> goodone
[04:26] <S74rk7> I've that one bookmarked now, I had your error before in ubuntu too
[04:34] <_sophia> hello guize
[04:34] <valorie> !dpkg
[04:34] <iflema> S74rk7: try in a terminal    man apt-get     or   man <anycommand>
[04:34] <valorie> hmmm
[04:34] <_sophia> why can't i drag tabs around in firefox? ;o
[04:36] <valorie> not sure -- I can
[04:36] <valorie> I've never tried before, but it just worked
[04:38] <S74rk7> thanks again valorie+iflema !
[04:38] <valorie> you are very welcome
[04:40] <katsrc> hey guys a delicious KDE Oxygen theme for Firefox 4.0: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+%28Firefox+Theme%29?content=117962&PHPSESSID=611422531fe35d6a27206870fa1c3b0b
[04:48] <_sophia> ;/
[04:58] <S74rk7> valorie: can I ask you a question please about kde versions? just about something you mentioned earlier if your not busy? :)
[04:59] <valorie> sure
[04:59] <valorie> I'm not that knowledgeable, but go ahead
[05:00] <S74rk7> are there problems you can expect to run into if your running a GUI that is made for a different KDE version?
[05:01] <valorie> hmmm
[05:01] <valorie> usually the problem is that it hasn't been packaged
[05:01] <valorie> but if it is running for you, I doubt you will have problems
[05:02] <valorie> now there are some differences like DCOP vs. dbus which will create problems in some apps
[05:02] <valorie> but in general those have either been reworked to fit the new tech
[05:03] <valorie> or dropped
[05:03] <valorie> you might get more specific info in #kde
[05:03] <S74rk7> It has me curious just what kind of effects it would cause, but I haven't got time right now to go reading into desktop enviroments (Gnome/KDE) atm lol - reading up on firewall commands and different gui's
[05:03] <S74rk7> lol
[05:03] <valorie> right
[05:03] <S74rk7> thats a good idea though
[05:04] <valorie> in general, the difference is the toolkits
[05:04] <valorie> Gtk vs. Qt
[05:04] <valorie> besides the obvious style and approach difference
[05:05] <S74rk7> GTK is tied to Gnome (or what I think its called -thats used in Ubuntu) and QT being a KDE kind of enviroment?  I ask as I've heard I think of Xubuntu?  is that a different style again?
[05:07] <valorie> Xfce, yeah
[05:07] <valorie> one more different desktop
[05:07] <valorie> oh, it's Qt, not QT
[05:07] <valorie> QT=QuickTime
[05:08] <S74rk7> ahhh lol
[05:08] <valorie> Qt is a programming environment, as is Gtk
[05:08] <S74rk7> I thought you were gonna QT was yet another variation
[05:08] <S74rk7> lol
[05:08] <valorie> quicktime is the Apple video format
[05:08] <S74rk7> no no I know :)
[05:09] <valorie> there are so freaking many choices in linux
[05:10] <valorie> it's bewildering
[05:10] <valorie> I've been using it for about 10 years, and I'm just now getting it all sorted out
[05:10] <S74rk7> thanks though, no just I've only been using linux for about 2-3months and I'm only getting it configured to a point where I want to start learning the ins+outs....its a different language lol
[05:10] <valorie> I was just a user for many years, until I volunteered
[05:10] <S74rk7> linux I mean... its crazy... a different world in computers...
[05:10] <valorie> :-)
[05:11] <valorie> the important thing is to keep an open mind, find out what you like, and please yourself
[05:11] <valorie> and don't take any of it too seriously
[05:11] <valorie> it ain't religion
[05:11] <S74rk7> see thats part of the problem I'm having at the minute...
[05:11] <S74rk7> I like too much...
[05:11] <S74rk7> lol
[05:12] <valorie> that's fun!
[05:12] <S74rk7> because of the choices...open mindedness it gives you a chance to let your imagination dream something up.... and your on the perfect platform in linux to make it possible....
[05:13] <S74rk7> I'm loving it... theres so much to take in sometimes though... I was a windows user for 13years... I loved messing around in all different topics and things...but you always seem kind of limited almost when you want to get inside things and see how it all works...
[05:14] <S74rk7> lol
[05:14] <S74rk7> what can I say - I'm a geek lol
[05:14] <valorie> me too
[05:14] <valorie> the world needs more geeks
[05:15] <S74rk7> we all must just unite! lol
[05:15] <valorie> well, that means herding cats
[05:15] <S74rk7> lmao..
[05:15] <valorie> people do unite, around projects that interest them
[05:15] <S74rk7> I know I think that is great...
[05:16] <valorie> so find out what you like, and hang around the project channel, and start to help out
[05:16] <valorie> it's fun
[05:16] <S74rk7> even this irc I'm just getting started like 2 days ago...
[05:16] <valorie> irc is an awesome tool
[05:16] <valorie> I love it
[05:16] <valorie> have been using it longer than linux
[05:17] <valorie> mirc ftw!
[05:17] <S74rk7> I always heard of it but never looked into - message forums were usually my method of sending/receiving support
[05:18] <S74rk7> It reminds me of chatrooms waaaay back in like 96 when I got my first windows pc and the internet in... good ole 56k :P lol
[05:18] <valorie> ubuntuforums and kubuntuforum both rock
[05:18] <valorie> and the mail lists are good too
[05:18]  * valorie started online with 300 baud
[05:18] <S74rk7> mailinglists is something I have always been curious about... I never got round to looking into it
[05:18] <valorie> but I didn't start using IRC until about 2000
[05:19] <S74rk7> I'm self taught a lot of what I know... I have to read up n research n play about myself so when something looks nice and complicated to play with I leave it to come back to when I finish whatever I'm doing at that time lol
[05:20] <S74rk7> so I never could ask someone in person to show me or run me through the basics ... this irc and the channels is great to learn from in too
[05:21] <valorie> well, there is the beginner's channels
[05:21] <valorie> which are for beginners to ubuntu, to programming, -- lots of stuff
[05:22] <valorie> really friendly, helpful people
[05:22] <valorie> !list
[05:22] <valorie> oh, what's it called
[05:22] <S74rk7> its great even for just reading and keeping up with the topic... learning from other peoples problems... as when you guru's are explaining how to fix it you explain whats going wrong... helps piece together how things work n all lol
[05:22] <valorie> !alis
[05:23] <valorie> to find the beginner's chans, do /msg alis list beginner
[05:23] <valorie> great stuff
[05:23] <S74rk7> I see what you mean irc rocks...
[05:23] <S74rk7> lol
[05:23] <S74rk7> and the bots on here lol
[05:23] <S74rk7> clever
[05:23] <S74rk7> lol
[05:24] <S74rk7> I was playing around a little with irc commands last night... well just making a channel and that... creating identities and trying to see what the /mode command was all about lol
[05:24] <S74rk7> thanks for all the advice and info :)
[05:25] <valorie> yes, the bots are really useful
[05:26] <S74rk7> I like that response it does... "Please dont think I'm intelligent" .... I thanked it thinking it was a user of something before and it done it lol
[05:29] <S74rk7> valorie: Hey thanks, the /msg alis list <---> command rocks... can search for channels now :)
[05:30] <valorie> :-)
[05:31] <S74rk7> and it supports boolean operators :-)
[05:31] <S74rk7> lol
[05:37] <Daskreech> S74rk7: People used to have conversations with the bot and get upset and leave before that :)
[05:37] <S74rk7> lol - awww I bet that was funny though lol
[05:38] <S74rk7> when the people came back or something and then find out it was a bot... I'd lmao
[05:38] <S74rk7> lol
[05:38] <S74rk7> Daskreech: How are you tonight then mate?
[05:38] <Daskreech> Peckish
[05:39] <S74rk7> dude... my thoughts exactly... I was setting the laptop down to go make something real quick... got the munchies a while ago lol
[05:40] <Daskreech> !list is This is not a file sharing channel (or network); be sure to read the channel topic. Looking for channels? see !alis. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot »
[05:40] <S74rk7> then I seen you msg... love the shortcut though... for the notifications... you shown me how to set it up last night :) its great - real handy.. its getting to the stage now in linux I'm using the touchpad less and less with the ease of setting up keyboard shortcuts for everything... :)
[05:40] <bazhang> !list
[05:41] <root__> !bot
[05:41] <root__> !kubuntu
[05:42] <root__> !ubuntu
[05:42] <S74rk7> how can you talk to FloodbotK1? lol
[05:42] <bazhang>  /msg ubottu please root__
[05:42] <S74rk7> what does he have to say :)
[05:42] <root__> flood
[05:42] <root__> flood
[05:42] <root__> 04:32 < root__> flood
[05:42] <root__> 04:32 < root__> flood
[05:42] <root__> 04:32 < root__> flood
[05:42] <FloodBotK1> root__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:43] <bazhang> root__, please stop that
[05:43] <S74rk7> oh...  lol
[05:43] <S74rk7> that was probably my fault bazhang I asked lol
[05:45] <Daskreech> ha
[05:45] <Daskreech> In any case do not IRC as root
[05:52] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I know to be weary about the root privies for things... can I ask just out of curiousity ... what makes you say that ? :)
[05:52] <S74rk7> probably a n00b question but :)
[05:53] <Daskreech> S74rk7: There are 1/2 dozen ways people can trick you into giving over information across IRC. You can also allow direct connections with IRC. Why would you want to chance that someone could find a bug in them while you are logged in as root
[05:53] <Daskreech> There is no reason why you need root to talk to someone on the internet
[05:53] <valorie> that's the whole point of sudo
[05:53] <valorie> saddle up when you need to
[05:53] <valorie> other wise, do not
[05:54] <S74rk7> ahhh direct connections... you mean for say example file transfer and that?
[05:54] <Daskreech> yes
[05:55] <S74rk7> no I know - I think the whole sudo thing is a great security measure in linux... windows with always admin privies as default for most users
[05:56] <S74rk7> ha... I'm just noticing the send file action when you right click on usernames...
[05:56] <S74rk7> lol
[05:58] <S74rk7> so if I knew how... could I have a server running on another computer...create an irc channel....have bots/some kind of irc server running to my configuration - log on to my channel from somewhere else - and run various commands if I have everything talking to each other ... setup file transfers and all that ?? all from irc and bash scripting?
[06:00] <valorie> sure
[06:00] <valorie> that's why there are so many warez servers
[06:00] <S74rk7> so would you say to be weary of file transfers and stuff on irc too? you know from strangers n all :)
[06:00] <valorie> YES
[06:00] <valorie> dcc can be dangerous with strangers
[06:01] <S74rk7> dcc? direct connection ... whats the other c? lol
[06:01] <S74rk7> communication?
[06:01] <valorie> not sure
[06:02] <valorie> but it starts in IRC, and then is direct computer <> computer
[06:02] <S74rk7> is that the technical term though... tcc?
[06:02] <valorie> dcc, yes
[06:02] <valorie> with people you know, it's an easy way to send a picture or something
[06:02] <Daskreech> Direct computer Connection
[06:03] <Daskreech> There are no servers in between
[06:03] <valorie> but I would make sure they are not only friends, but also regularly use anti-virus, etc.
[06:03] <S74rk7> right... :)
[06:03] <valorie> if they are win users
[06:04] <Daskreech> And also that they bathe
[06:04] <Daskreech> smelly users....
[06:04] <S74rk7> Dask
[06:04] <valorie> rofl
[06:05] <S74rk7> lol - there be no smelly users direct computer connecting with me... thats for sure!!
[06:05] <S74rk7> lol
[06:05] <S74rk7> no but seriously...
[06:06] <S74rk7> so even accepting a connection from someone on irc is dangerous?
[06:06] <valorie> DCC, yes
[06:06] <valorie> regular PMs, no
[06:06] <valorie> they are annoying, but not dangerous
[06:07] <valorie> it is considered impolite to PM without asking
[06:07] <S74rk7> I thought it would have been that... I could accept say a file of some sort... but the protection from if I was going to open it or and it was looking root privies/password auth. then I could ignore/cancel it and I'd be pretty sade
[06:07] <S74rk7> *sade = safe
[06:08] <valorie> it's like public sex in a park
[06:08] <valorie> maybe you won't catch a disease
[06:08] <valorie> but why would you risk it?
[06:08] <S74rk7> ahhh I'm sure you and Daskreech know all about that - lol - its part of the burden with knowing the ways of the linux jeidi
[06:09] <Daskreech> valorie: To be on Jerry springer?
[06:09] <valorie> rofl
[06:09] <S74rk7> LMAO
[06:09] <S74rk7> you two aren't wise lol
[06:10] <valorie> hey, I never ONCE have been on Jerry Springer!
[06:10] <Daskreech> I know right! Or we would have been on Jerry Spinger then migrated to a reality show
[06:11] <S74rk7> lol - that seems a trend lol
[06:12] <Daskreech> attached ourselves tosome slightly washed up music artist had a huge public showing of love gone quiet for two months  then reappeared in a movie with Nick Cage
[06:14] <Daskreech> Then gone crusading for poor children around the world to raise themselves up out of poverty by having companies give money to get Linux laptops to third world countries
[06:14] <Daskreech> umm
[06:14] <Daskreech> with KDE
[06:14] <Daskreech>  ok so we are back on topic :)
[06:14] <S74rk7> don't think I've seen that one... when's that coming out? sounds like a cool sequel to Drive Angry :)
[06:16] <S74rk7> only with a van.... and a little Tux on the top... lol - I'd participate :)
[06:17] <S74rk7> Anyone tried out LibreOffice?
[06:18] <valorie> well, I have open office
[06:18] <valorie> the predecessor
[06:18] <valorie> I've been using it for years
[06:18] <valorie> even on windows
[06:24] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Openoffice is LIbreoffice
[06:29] <petete> it's like openoffice with a different name
[06:38] <S74rk7> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Cold-War-Between-OpenOffice.org-and-LibreOffice
[06:39] <S74rk7> I found it n just in case you guys were interested :)
[06:39] <shadeslayer> !ot | S74rk7
[06:40] <Daskreech> :)
[06:41] <S74rk7> sorry should have been more specific :) was aimed at you Daskreech n petete :)
[06:41] <S74rk7> I'm not spamming lol
[06:42] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Spam and offtopic are different things
[06:42] <S74rk7> yeah I know... I was generalising....
[06:45] <valorie> for offtopic, oddly enough, there is #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:45] <valorie> :-)
[06:46] <Fanfare> Hi Folks, I'm looking for a highlighting tool/command... Like grep but nut filtering but highligting...
[06:51] <Fanfare> FYI: found way to highlight: <command w output> | less then /pattern
[06:54] <minotux> 速度
[07:16] <zelda> Hi what is the name of utility which comes up when Alt+F2 is pressed?
[07:20] <Daskreech> krunner
[07:23] <Daskreech> you are welcome
[08:41] <pappy> /list
[10:36] <noaXess_kubuntu> good morning
[10:36] <noaXess_kubuntu> how do i check local timzone settings?
[10:55] <ubuntu> hola
[10:55] <ubuntu> alguien me ayuda
[10:56] <bazhang> !es
[10:56] <ekrava> !ru
[10:56] <ubuntu> ok
[11:03] <dell> hi guys
[11:03] <dell> i am unable to fix up my mic for skype
[11:04] <dell> i installed pavucontrol and padevchooser but no luck
[11:05] <livecd> dell: mm
[11:05] <livecd> dell: i will remove pulse at all
[11:06] <dell> ?
[11:30] <dell> any suggestions
[11:41] <Peace-> dell: ok
[11:41] <Peace-> read this
[11:42] <Peace-> dell: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnowardev.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F09%2F18%2Faudio-problem-with-kubuntu-10-10%2F&rct=j&q=%20nowardev%20audioo%20problem%20kubuntu&ei=fRSPTaiCNYPLtAa966iNCg&usg=AFQjCNGxunMG0ZQpiN1AEcYeeRyToCQMyQ&cad=rja
[12:02] <dell> ok peace thx
[12:02] <dell> i got my headfones working but the mic is still a problem !
[12:02] <dell> my inbuilt mic or the one with the headfone both dont work
[12:02] <dell> any suggestions
[12:05] <Peace-> dell: alsamixer -V all
[12:05] <Peace-> dell: in a terminal
[12:12] <dell> my mic in is empty
[12:16] <dell> i made it to line in
[12:26] <dell> no help :(
[12:26] <dell> any way to test mic im using the recorder to test it now
[12:26] <dell> no recording
[12:50] <dell> is any body good in shell programming ?
[13:00] <Peace-> dell: ok
[13:00] <Peace-> dell: can you do a screenshot?
[13:01] <Peace-> dell: presssing stamp shoukld run a program to do that
[13:07] <dell> screen shot for what ?
[13:07] <dell> fixing mic
[13:07] <dell> or programing
[13:11] <Peace-> dell: alsamixer -V all
[13:11] <Peace-> screenshot
[13:11] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i audio
[13:22] <Tank997> Anyone home?
[13:24] <Peace-> Tank997: ?
[13:27] <Tank997> Tseting Quassel
[13:28] <Tank997> testing :)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:36] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey
[13:37] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[13:37] <Peace-> BluesKaj: saving setting for kde-gnomified http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/27/plasma-desktopnd3921.jpg
[14:57] <kujules> hello people. Where can I find "Oxygen KDE Options"??
[14:57] <tsimpson> probably in system settings
[15:01] <kujules> not at all, i have a kubuntu german version
[15:01] <tsimpson> kujules: #kubuntu-de may be able to help
[15:02] <kujules> thank you
[15:30] <chrisf_> All: I've screwed up grub. If I have 2 harddrives.  sda=WindowsXP.  sdb=Kubuntu10.10.  If I use a SystemRescueCD I can tell PC to boot off sdb and grub menu shows up fine and can boot to both OSs fine. How do I get the MBR to point to sdb?
[15:36] <James147> chrisf_: you have to tell your bios which drive to boot
[15:36] <James147> chrisf_: or install grub to the mbr of the other drive
[15:38] <chrisf_> Bios is set to boot of harddrive. I tried installing grub to sda (windows) drive but that didn't help.
[15:42] <James147> its set to boot off which hard drive?
[15:42] <chrisf_> The PC is definitely trying to launch my botched grub install off sda. How do I tell PC to boot from sdb instead?
[15:43] <James147> chrisf_: in the bios ^^ there should be a way to set which disk to boot off
[15:43] <chrisf_> I have set the partition flag on sdb1 to "boot" but I may be confusing something.
[15:44] <James147> (as well as what device to boot from... some times they are merged into one menu, some times they are seperate)
[15:44] <James147> chrisf_: that just tells the bios that the disk is bootable, not which to boot ^^
[15:44] <chrisf_> I'll look at bios again.....
[15:45] <petete> you can install grub to the mbr
[15:48] <chrisf_> bios says cdrom/harddrive/USB/etc. Nothing about specifying which drive. It must choose first HD.
[15:49] <chrisf_> I've tried pushing grub onto both of these drives per web docs. No love so far.
[15:49] <James147> chrisf_: might be on a different page ^^ there is normally somewhere you can select the drive prority
[15:50] <chrisf_> Grub installed onto sda but there's no menu upon boot. I get a "grub>" prompt instead.
[15:51] <James147> chrisf_: that suggests that is wasnt installed correctly
[15:51] <morticum> hello
[15:51] <James147> !grub2
[15:51] <morticum> I was wondering how to format an external fat32 disk. I've installed KDE Partition Manage but it doesn't seem to have the option, surprisingly.
[15:52] <chrisf_> Yes all of this is grub2
[15:52] <James147> chrisf_: how did you install grub before?
[15:52] <James147> (to sda)?
[15:53] <chrisf_> morticum: I believe gparted will format the drive FAT32 for you.
[15:53] <gomiboy> morticum: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/yourpartition   (be careful, make sure yourpartition is the right one!)
[15:54] <morticum> Thanks a lot guys. Odd that KDE Partition Manager doesn't offer the same or similar features as GParted.
[15:58] <chrisf_> I started with WinXP on sda. Installed new drive. Installed many iterations of Kubuntu onto sdb. Every time Kubuntu handled grub setup. Grub menu on sdb is what I want to preserve. I then tried installing Kubuntu on a pendrive. It worked but MBR pointed to sdg (pendrive) for grub. Not what I wanted. Pulled pendrive and now trying to get things back to good on PC.
[16:00] <James147> chrisf_: you can install grub to the mbr of a different drive the menus and config files are on
[16:01] <chrisf_> I'll try pushing grub onto sdb again using instructions from http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[16:03] <gomiboy> chrisf_: yes, chroot is the way to go
[16:06] <petete> mkfs.fat32 should do the trick of formatting the drive
[16:21] <chrisf_> Problem still the same for me. Grub installed on sdb and works with the help of a boot CD. By default PC wants to boot from Windows in sda. Ugh.
[16:22] <chrisf_> Rephrase... PC wants to boot grub from sda.
[16:27] <Bauldrick> weird thing with a samba share - if I try to remove a file/folder (right click > delete) it never allows it ( error = Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash.) - however, if I simply highlight said file/folder and press (on keyboard) [del] it dletes it.... what gives?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> chrisf_, have you changed the boot sequence in the BIOS to boot the sdb drive ?
[16:38] <chrisf_> OK it's fixed!!!   It was the BIOS all along. I didn't think I could choose hard drive boot order since tapping "-/+" did nothig for me. However, I had to use "-/+" on the numeric keypad. After that the boot order swapped around and it found grub on sdb.  Thanks to everyone that helped. Especially all of you that kept me looking at the BIOS.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> chrisf_, yw
[16:40] <BluesKaj> chrisf_, the arrow and enter keys are your friend in the BIOS
[16:42] <chrisf_> BluesKaj: What through me off was it didn't accept me tapping -/+ in the upper row of the keyboard. Only on the number pad did it work.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> chrisf_,that's odd
[16:53] <sant> ciaooo
[17:13] <Nikosss> can swap partition be on a logical partition?
[17:14] <petete> yes
[17:14] <Nikosss> i have already a home primary partition and i made an extended one (logical) for home. how can i move my data there securely?
[17:21]  * James147 would use rsync ^^
[17:35] <draik> Is anyone here running with 2 video cards? I have a general question on usability.
[17:37] <Mithrandir_> !ask
[17:46] <draik> Mithrandir_: You're right. Sorry.
[17:47] <draik> I got a nVidia GeForce 210 with VGA, DVI and HDMI output. However, only 2 work at a time. I was wondering if I can get another video card to work with a 3rd monitor.
[17:47] <draik> And how good of video response do you get with the 2 cards? (any lag, etc)
[18:03] <D8rMax> ji
[18:05] <Mithrandir_> draik: might ask in #phoronix
[18:05] <draik> Thank you.
[18:37] <BluesKaj> hi dell_ ..we can do it here
[18:39] <dell_> thank u
[18:39] <dell_> but its a bit on a code
[18:39] <BluesKaj> dell_,  it's best to discuss problems here rather than in private , then more ppl can help
[18:40] <bartje> hi guys...
[18:40] <bartje> and girls..
[18:40] <BluesKaj> hi bartje
[18:40] <dell_> i am trying to do program my own shell and i cant get the cat and echo command to run
[18:40] <bartje> I've got a bit of a user rights problem.. my sudo rights have dissapeared
[18:41] <dell_> if someone cud debug the code a bit
[18:41] <Mithrandir_> dell_: What are you coding it in?
[18:41] <Mithrandir_> bartje: Whoops :) what did you do?
[18:41] <bartje> installing samba
[18:42] <bartje> after reboot, my sudo rights were gone
[18:42] <bartje> I didn't even touch the user-configuration tools
[18:42] <BluesKaj> dell_, a bash script , pastebin it so we can take a look
[18:42] <dell_> http://pastie.org/1722807
[18:42] <dell_> thank u
[18:43] <bartje> how do I get it back? I don't even have a root account, apparently
[18:45] <bartje> anyone an idea?
[18:45] <vaappa95> how i install flash on my kubuntu
[18:46] <tsimpson> !flash
[18:46] <BluesKaj> vaappa95, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:49] <vaappa95> thx
[18:50] <bartje> I checked the sudoers file, and it is empty... How did this happen?
[18:51] <draik> How do I change the hostname on my desktop?
[18:51] <draik> Just edit the /etc/hostname file?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> dell_, the only thing missing is  #! /bin/sh
[18:51] <Pontios> hey is it faster to move than copy some gigas within the same disk?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> bartje, in the terminal run sudo visudo , check that
[18:52] <bartje> bart@Bart-KX:~$ sudo visudo
[18:52] <bartje> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440
[18:52] <bartje> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[18:52] <bartje> sudo doesn't work anymore, no point in using it to start visudo
[18:54] <Pontios> hey is it faster to move than copy some gigas within the same disk?
[18:54] <bartje> and I can't create a root account without sudo ofcourse, full circle, from where do I know that?
[18:56] <NathanaelG> hi all
[19:05] <dell_> blueskaj , i cant run the commands cat and echo here
[19:08] <BluesKaj> dell_, where ?
[19:09] <amichair> what's an easy way to rip an exact iso image from a cd or dvd for backup purposes?
[19:10] <tsimpson> amichair: there's probably GUI ways to do it, but I just do "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/me/someCD.iso"
[19:11] <dell_> the execlp() command
[19:11] <dell_> did u try running it ?
[19:11] <amichair> tsimpson: sounds pretty straightforward :-)
[19:12] <tsimpson> dd is basically a copy command, "if" is "in file", "of" is "out file", really simple :)
[19:13] <amichair> tsimpson: will it retry bad sectors etc.? I want to backup some old cds, some of which are starting to rot (but still readable with multiple attempts, I hope)
[19:14] <tsimpson> as long as the system can read it somehow, it should work
[19:14] <tsimpson> dd will just attempt to read X amount of bytes and write that out
[19:14] <amichair> ok, I'll try it - thanks
[19:18] <bartje> sudo rights back :-)
[19:20] <BluesKaj> bartje, yay, rebooted ?
[19:20] <bartje> rebooted in recovery mode, selecting root access, and changing the rights of the /etc/sudoers file to 0440
[19:20] <amichair> tsimpson: I see there is a dd_rescue with some added recovery (bad sector handling), etc. good to know.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> ahh
[19:21] <bartje> somehow it was changed... probably something htat happened during the samba installation
[19:22]  * BluesKaj avoids samba as much as possible ..smb client and server are fine , the samba gui is iffy in my experience
[19:23] <bartje> it is weird that it changed the rights of the sudoers file
[19:23] <BluesKaj> very
[19:23] <James147> bartje: what are the contents of that file?
[19:24] <NathanaelG> sudoers defines who can sudo (change permission) under what circumstances
[19:24] <NathanaelG> so you might be in group wheel and not have to enter the password etc...
[19:24] <bartje> indeed, it was empty when I opened it, but perhaps because I didn't have the rights to read it... lol
[19:24]  * James147 wanted to see if anything is wrong in the file ^^
[19:25] <James147> bartje: and you shouldnt ^^
[19:25] <James147> (have the rights to read it, only root should)
[19:27] <James147> bartje: normally getting locked out of sudo is bacause you are no longer in the admin group, or the rules changed in the sudoers file, not beacuase you cant read it (since only root should be able to)
[19:27] <bartje> still no explanation why my account got locked out, I only installed samba
[19:28] <James147> bartje: did your groups change?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> samba permissions?
[19:29] <bartje> no, my groups didn't change
[19:30] <James147> bartje: o well, it works now right? i would check the contents of the sudoers file to make sure nothing is there that shouldnt
[19:30] <James147> ^^ just to be on the safe side :)
[19:30] <bartje> but I did get added to the sambashare group, perhaps there went something wrong while adding my account to that group.
[19:30] <steelhead> hi, how do i unzip these files from the command prompt ?  europe.osm.bz2.part.00  europe.osm.bz2.part.01
[19:31] <bartje> it works again indeed.. I just hope it won't happen again after installing some more software.. lol
[19:31] <James147> bartje: it shouldnt...
[19:32] <James147> though it shoudnt have happened the first time :) but at least you know what to do now, boot to recovery and addyour self to the admin group or edit the sudoers file :)
[19:39] <ashmew2> Hi , how do i install the header (.h files like KApplication) ?
[19:41] <rekcuFniarB> ashmew2: -dev packages, for example libgtk2-dev
[19:41] <ashmew2> well , which dev package
[19:41] <ashmew2> ive installed libkde4-dev , kde5-dev
[19:41] <ashmew2> qt4-dev is installed
[19:41] <ashmew2> cmake is installed
[19:41] <ashmew2> Just trying to make the Hello World Dialog Box , but i cant find the header files
[19:42] <rekcuFniarB> which headers do you need?
[19:42] <ashmew2> KApplication
[19:42] <ashmew2> KAboutData
[19:43] <BluesKaj> steelhead, try ther unp app it can unzip /uncompress most "any compressed xtns"
[19:43] <rekcuFniarB> maybe kdelibs5-dev ?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> ther=the
[19:44] <ashmew2> installed kdelibs50de
[19:44] <ashmew2> it doesnt have it
[19:44] <rekcuFniarB> ashmew2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=karmic&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=kaboutdata
[19:47] <shadeslayer> !find KApplication.h
[19:47] <shadeslayer> weird
[19:51] <tsimpson> !find kapplication.h
[19:51] <ashmew2> tsimpson , i installed the kdelibs5-dev
[19:51] <ashmew2> but i still cant locate KApplication
[19:52] <ashmew2> !find KApplication
[19:52] <tsimpson> ashmew2: where are you looking?
[19:52] <ashmew2> /usr/iunclude
[19:52] <ashmew2> include**
[19:52] <ashmew2> and also did a locate KApplication
[19:52] <tsimpson> the .h files are in /usr/include, the "wrapper" header is in /usr/include/KDE
[19:53] <tsimpson> so /usr/include/kapplication.h and /usr/include/KDE/KApplication
[19:53] <ashmew2> not there
[19:53] <tsimpson> if you want the shorter headers, then use -I/usr/include/KDE when you compile
[19:54] <tsimpson> it's there, in kdelibs5-dev
[19:54] <icwiener> ashmew2: What is the exact command you use to look for those files?
[19:54] <ashmew2> locate kapplication.h
[19:54] <ashmew2> locate KApplication
[19:54] <icwiener> ashmew2: You might want to try just to execute "ls -la /usr/include/KDE/KApplication"
[19:54] <tsimpson> locate uses a database, which updates once a day by default
[19:54] <tsimpson> your cache is out of date
[19:55] <ashmew2> i did a sudo updatedb
[19:55] <tsimpson> does the file "/usr/include/kapplication.h" exist?
[19:55] <ashmew2> i just completely removed kdelibs5-dev
[19:55] <ashmew2> reinstalling it
[19:55] <ashmew2> wait 10 seconds
[19:56] <ashmew2> OK! now i have a kapplication.h
[19:56] <ashmew2> in the /usr/include
[19:57] <ashmew2> YAY !
[19:57] <ashmew2> the code's compiling ahead now
[19:57] <ashmew2> but wait
[19:57] <ashmew2> QtCore/qglobal.h : No Such file
[19:57] <ashmew2> OMG
[19:58] <tsimpson> are you compiling manually?
[19:58] <tsimpson> ie using the g++ command directly?
[19:58] <ashmew2> KDevelop
[19:58] <ashmew2> using KDevelop
[19:58] <tsimpson> well it's not adding the Qt include path, so you need to fix that
[19:58] <ashmew2> following the tutorial for Hello World dialog
[19:58] <icwiener> ashmew2: Look on packages.ubuntu.org for files ending QtCore/qglobal.h and install the package it gives you.
[19:59] <ashmew2> kk , icwiener
[19:59] <ashmew2> !find qglobal.h
[19:59] <tsimpson> it's in libqt4-dev and it's installed
[19:59] <tsimpson> kdelibs5-dev depends on it
[19:59] <icwiener> packages.ubuntu.com ... :)
[19:59] <ashmew2> can do it here :P
[19:59] <ashmew2> just learned this 2 min ago from someone on the IRC lool
[19:59] <icwiener> Sure, I just corrected my misspelling
[20:00] <ashmew2> already installed libqt4-dev
[20:00] <tsimpson> --> well it's not adding the Qt include path, so you need to fix that
[20:00] <ashmew2> is KDE acting weird because i did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from the gnome desktop
[20:00] <ashmew2> well , how do i fix that
[20:00] <ashmew2> in KDevelop's settings ?
[20:00] <tsimpson> look in the kdevelop settings
[20:01] <tsimpson> Qt includes are in /usr/include/qt4
[20:01] <ashmew2> /usr/include/kdemacros.h:162 : fatal error: QtCore/qglobal.h : No Such file
[20:01] <tsimpson> yes, it's not adding the Qt include path
[20:03] <ashmew2> yes i do have a qglobal.h gile
[20:03] <ashmew2> file**
[20:04] <ashmew2> omg, will have to run Kdevelop as sudo to add custom paths
[20:06] <Starminn> Since installing KDE on Ubuntu, Firefox pages have looked awful. The font is so unbelievably thin that it really becomes a hassle just to read what's on the page. Tips/help?
[20:06] <tsimpson> ok, if he comes back ^ yell at him for wanting to run KDevelop with sudo...
[20:08] <icwiener> asfyxia: Unlikely.
[20:08] <tsimpson> Starminn: have a look in System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance
[20:08] <icwiener> asfyxia: Sorry. ;)
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Starminn, open kmenu/apps/settings/system settings and set your fonts there
[20:09] <Starminn> tsimpson: There's a lot of "apperance"s but none just "Appearance"
[20:09] <Starminn> It does it in GNOME, though, too.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> applications appearance
[20:09] <tsimpson> Starminn: may be "Application Appearance"
[20:10] <tsimpson> it changes depending on KDE version apparently
[20:10] <Starminn> tsimpson: Thought so. Just makng sure. :)
[20:11] <Starminn> tsimpson: It's still doing it. Everything matches up perfectly before/after KDE but it's so thin.
[20:12] <BluesKaj> I wish chrome followed the other browser integration policies , my large monitor make the tab and toolbar/bokkmarkbar fonts too small to read
[20:12] <Starminn> Interesting. Chrome also does it to me.
[20:13] <Starminn> (the terrible fonts thing I'm having)
[20:14] <BluesKaj> I like chatting on our media server pc which is connected to our plasma tv , so I guess the chrome devs don't realize alot of ppl are doing this now with the advent of hdmi outs on graphics cards
[20:16] <BluesKaj> onboard graphics cards are including hdmi outs now ..it's very common...altho I'm using an nvida 8400gs that has dvi out
[20:16] <BluesKaj> dvi to hdmi cable
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Starminn, which kde version ?
[20:18] <Peace-> BluesKaj: didi you see on kde 4.61 dolphin hangs a lots opening your home ?
[20:19] <Starminn> BluesKaj: KDE4? Whatever the latest is I suppose since I installed it yesterday
[20:19] <BluesKaj> Peace-, not here
[20:19] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well it's bug :P
[20:20] <BluesKaj> Starminn, open dolphin help , about kde
[20:20] <Starminn> BluesKaj: 4.5.1
[20:21] <BluesKaj> Starminn, maverick, right ?
[20:21] <Starminn> BluesKaj: Yep.
[20:22] <Starminn> BluesKaj: Ran GNOME for like 5 months, always hated KDE, decided to give it another chance, I'm quite enjoying it this time around, but I'm disappointed that it's messing with my webpages. ;) HAha
[20:23] <BluesKaj> well you could upgrade to kde 4.6 with : sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:23] <Starminn> Where's Konsole at?
[20:24] <BluesKaj> kmenu/apps/settings
[20:25] <BluesKaj> err apps /system
[20:26] <BluesKaj> I can never remember ...the menu makes no sense to me ..I just add what i want to the panel , menus are pita to me :)
[20:26] <NathanaelG> just press ALT + F2 and type konsole
[20:26] <NathanaelG> Starminn:  just ALT F2 and type konsole
[20:27] <BluesKaj> icons in the panel work
[20:27] <NathanaelG> I rarely use the panel
[20:27] <BluesKaj> typing is a pita too
[20:27] <NathanaelG> mostly alt f2 ;-)
[20:27] <NathanaelG> I type faster than I run my mouse
[20:28] <BluesKaj> NathanaelG, you're just trying to be a purist
[20:28] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:29] <NathanaelG> BluesKaj: is it so obvious? nope; then I'd say do it all in bash ;-)
[20:29] <yofel> well, I'm on NathanaelG side here, but I mapped alt+f2 to meta+space
[20:29] <BluesKaj> I have to stay out of #ubuntu ..I'm forgetting where all the gnome menus etc are now
[20:29] <NathanaelG> yofel, clever solution
[20:29] <NathanaelG> even faster - I might try that, although I ll mostly press alt f2 and ask myself why nothing happens ;-) @yofel
[20:30] <BluesKaj> NathanaelG, yeah , I have some aliases in bashrc , they work well
[20:30] <yofel> haha, well, that's what gnome-do used back in my gnome days, so I was simply used to that and wondered why meta+space didn't do anything :P
[20:31] <NathanaelG> Ouch yofel ;-)
[20:31] <NathanaelG> though I havent run gnome for ages
[20:31] <yofel> me neither, I'll see what G3 looks like when It comes out
[20:32] <yofel> but I'm really not a friend for a desktop environment where the 2D and 3D environments look different
[20:32] <NathanaelG> I'm one of those naïve kde fanboys that comes home after a poker evening at 0 o Clock and start updating to the new kde versions
[20:32] <NathanaelG> well
[20:33] <BluesKaj> yofel , I'm waiting for gnome to adopt homer simpson as their mascot ...it's getting too cartooney for my taste :)
[20:33] <yofel> heh, well, I'm running natty, so I can't really way anything against that ^^
[20:33] <yofel> lol
[20:33] <NathanaelG> lol
[20:33] <NathanaelG> so rue
[20:33] <NathanaelG> *true , sorry
[20:33] <BluesKaj> natty here as well. seems to be fine so far
[20:34] <BluesKaj> after the xorg mess was over... I had to wait for that to be fixed '
[20:35] <yofel> NathanaelG: btw. you left -de before I could answer earlier, I don't know if that's possible, but plasma-widget-smooth-tasks is an alternate task manager in win7 style I think
[20:35] <Starminn> Still looks bad, BluesKj
[20:35] <yofel> showing only icons
[20:36] <BluesKaj> Starminn, which fonts did you choose ?
[20:36] <Starminn> BluesKaj: Ubuntu size 9. Have been using it and still am.
[20:36] <BluesKaj> and what's your resolutiuon
[20:37] <Starminn> 1024x1280 (or vice versa, whatever it is)
[20:38] <sourcemaker> how can I use the kde-pim-plugins for strigi?
[20:39] <kujules> :D
[20:39] <BluesKaj> ok, Starminn have you nenabled the anti-aliasing and maybe try a higher dpi
[20:42] <Starminn> BluesKaj: Nope, and I've got to go to work.
[20:42] <Starminn> Thanks for your time, though.
[21:15] <NathanaelG> yofel: yes but smooth-task is buggy on 4.6.
[21:16] <yofel> :/
[21:23] <martinalex> hey, how may i disable this greetings in the kubuntu-netbook version of natty?
[21:27] <spungo> Can't seem to  enable focus follows mouse without setting autoraise on, even though click to focus is checked in Systems Settings >  Window Behaviour > Focus
[21:28] <James147> spungo: is "rase, with the following delay" checked?
[21:28] <spungo> Sorry I meant that raise is unchecked...
[21:29] <micca> sounds like poker!
[21:29] <micca> I raise... hmm unchecked
[21:29] <micca> a chak-raise
[21:29] <micca> check*
[21:29] <spungo> I fold
[21:29] <micca> :)
[21:29] <micca> hehe
[21:29] <micca> good fold
[21:29] <FloodBotK1> micca: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <James147> spungo: hmm, well focus follows mouse here dose auto rais the windows without the "raise, with..." being checked :(
[21:31] <James147> doesnt auto raise ^^
[21:32] <spungo> James147: Thanks for the help - maybe I should just stick with click to focus for now eh?
[21:37] <rats_> Hi all When I have multiple irssi tabs running in Konsole and try to close one of them using the close tab ( red X) in the lower right corner it breaks my right click drop down menu with copy paste preference....in it.Any idea
[21:37] <rats_> for all tabs
[21:39] <alberto> #torredelgreco
[21:40] <rats_> If I use /exit or file> close tab all ok
[21:41] <danny_> Hi
[21:41] <danny_> I have a Aspire 5942g and the lm-sensors not detect my sensors
[22:00] <spungo> Is there a way to get all the old konsole profiles  back? (without re-creating them manually, I mean)
[22:10]  * spungo yawns
[22:15] <spungo> non stop chat in here , eh? -- I can barely get a word in edgeways... 8¬P
[22:18] <ubuntu> how can i install flash?
[22:19] <quant> ubuntu, package kit, search for flash, install
[22:19] <ubuntu> the command for console
[22:19] <ubuntu> i want
[22:19] <quant> ubuntu, remove gnash before that if it's installed
[22:19] <ubuntu> quant: what is the command for console
[22:19] <quant> ubuntu, apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree probably
[22:19] <ubuntu> idiot names
[22:26] <ubuntu> how can i install flash in ubuntu from terminal?
[22:28] <marxjohnson> apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[22:28] <marxjohnson> or flashplugin64-installer if you want 64bit
[22:51] <draik> How do I set Konqueror to be the default file browser?
[22:51] <draik> Also, where do I choose Pulseaudio to be the default audio controller?
[22:52] <kujules> system settings, standard components i suppose
[22:55] <draik> Thank you
[23:25] <heavy_soft> hello ppl
[23:25] <heavy_soft> can i forward to kde 4.5.5 after upgrading 4.6.1 ! ?
[23:29] <Aison> when I play musik, video, or whatever with vlc
[23:29] <Aison> the sound is turned of after around 10minutes
[23:30] <Aison> then I have to restart the playing and the sound is back
[23:30] <Aison> quite strange
[23:54] <yaotecatl> hi


[08:49] <nisshh> flan, you around?
[12:02] <zleap> hi
[12:11] <nisshh> zleap, hey, can i help you with something?
[12:11] <zleap> i was just looking at how to contribute to the manual
[12:12] <zleap> i have created a quick guide (html) on how to print multiple photos on 1 sheet of paper (like you can with windows XP) using gthumb
[12:12] <nisshh> right
[12:12] <nisshh> zleap, that kind of specific stuff won't be included in the manual
[12:12] <nisshh> zleap, we just cover the very basics
[12:14] <zleap> ok
[12:16] <zleap> i may up load to my website anyway,  so I can get help from the general community with it,
[12:20] <zleap> is there anything specific you are looking for., have a printed manual here,
[12:47] <nisshh> zleap, sorry abou that i was afk for a minute, urm well, not really anything specific, have you read the last release of the manual? we are trimming that WAY down
[12:48] <zleap> ok
[12:48] <zleap> i got the 170 page version
[12:48] <nisshh> yep
[12:49] <zleap> ok will download a newer one 2nd edition i think is the latest one
[12:50] <nisshh> zleap, that is right, the second edition is newest, but to get the latest code, you will want to grab it like so with bazaar VCS: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual
[12:51] <zleap> ok
[12:51] <zleap> i will look in to that
[12:51] <zleap> why is it being trimmed down anyway
[12:51] <nisshh> zleap, we are going for as simple as possible, so that even the completely computer illiterate can use it
[12:52] <zleap> ok
[12:52] <zleap> so can some of the removed sections be put in to separate manuals
[12:53] <zleap> i guess the bit on movie player is going but that may be useful in its own mini guide
[12:53] <nisshh> zleap, that isnt the plan, the plan is to move all removed content onto what will eventually become the Ubuntu Support and Learning Center
[12:53] <nisshh> zleap, we arent planning to do any mini-guides
[12:53] <zleap> ok
[12:54] <zleap> so a lot will go online
[12:54] <nisshh> zleap, not heaps, mostly the second half of second edition
[12:54] <zleap> ok
[12:54] <nisshh> most of the first half will stay
[12:54] <zleap> ok
[12:54] <zleap> i will see if I can download
[12:55] <nisshh> zleap, which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[12:55] <zleap> 10.04
[12:55] <zleap> I am tempted to upgrade my netbook to 10.10
[12:55] <nisshh> you should
[12:55] <nisshh> it is much better
[12:55] <zleap> ok
[12:56] <zleap> i need to head to work, chat later hopefully
[12:57] <nisshh> yep, cya
[13:02] <zleap> cya
[23:50]  * humphreybc has finished his exams, bitches


[02:45] <veryfrustrated> hey umm...is anyone on?
[02:46] <veryfrustrated> im very frustrated. heh. with ltsp. was wondering if anyone had some time or pointers
[02:49] <veryfrustrated> register password
[10:46] <intok> Edubuntu, Qimo or something else, whats better for old gear? P3 600Mhz, 512Mb ram kinda stuff
[12:24] <kkeett> Hello, just wondering if there is anyway to try edubuntu 9.04  'live' without installing ?
[12:48] <kkeett> ?
[14:14] <kkeett> hello, sorry I asked this in here already but got logged out...
[14:15] <kkeett> anyone in here know if it is possible to run edubuntu as a live [ie without install]
[14:19] <alkisg> kkeett: I don't think so. It's an add-on cd, not a distro, so it doesn't have a live cd.
[14:30] <kkeett> thanks for that alkisg, ya i know of the changes to  the distro, do you think there is any possibility of a iive edubuntu? i often demo it to schools and many have installed edubuntu due to this,  I have another school interested, but there is now way they will allow an install just to demo !
[14:35] <alkisg> kkeett: I think you may be able to make a usb stick with that, yes, but I don't know how. See unetbootin or something.
[14:39] <kkeett> thanks again alkisg, will have a look !
[14:39] <sbalneav> Morning all
[17:11] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu land
[17:14] <alkisg> Hey LaserJock
[17:16] <sbalneav> Hello LaserJock
[17:20] <LaserJock> nubae: you going to be around?
[17:21] <erieslabnx> I have a user problem and the ubuntu room is to busy for help....
[17:21] <erieslabnx> I created like 15 users and only about 6 show up in the Users settings, I tried to re-create the missing users and it says the users exist already. Yet there is not even a folder for them in the Home Folder. Why are they not there?
[17:22] <erieslabnx> anyone have any guesses?
[17:22] <LaserJock> there is an option to not create the home folder, I suppose you could have accidentally hit that
[17:22] <erieslabnx> it will not allow that user to login as well?
[17:23] <erieslabnx> but says they already exist'
[17:23] <LaserJock> the user itself exists
[17:23] <erieslabnx> they are not in the user list to edit the settings to even see if the checkbox was checked
[17:23] <LaserJock> but if there is no /home/<user> directory it won't login
[17:23] <LaserJock> hmm
[17:23] <LaserJock> how did you create the users?
[17:23] <erieslabnx> not listed under users and groups
[17:24] <erieslabnx> from users and groups
[17:24] <LaserJock> that's odd
[17:24] <erieslabnx> i know right
[17:25] <erieslabnx> i figured if it was a missed option i would delete the user and do it over, but they are not there for me to delete
[17:25] <LaserJock> you can use sudo userdel -r <username>
[17:25] <erieslabnx> can not login the user in from the thin clients or the server itself
[17:25] <LaserJock> to remove them from the command line
[17:25] <erieslabnx> will try that
[17:25] <LaserJock> then try making them again
[17:27] <erieslabnx> trying that shell command said user does not exist, then going into the users and groups to add them says already exists
[17:27] <LaserJock> yikes
[17:27] <LaserJock> that's messed up
[17:28] <erieslabnx> I was afraid of that
[17:28] <LaserJock> I guess it might be a bug in Users and Groups
[17:28] <LaserJock> though I don't know what it would be seeing that it thinks they already exist
[17:29] <erieslabnx> sudo useradd username password ?
[17:29] <sbalneav> check the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file
[17:29] <erieslabnx> is that how you do it?
[17:29] <sbalneav> off for lunch for a bit.
[17:30] <erieslabnx> i don't have a password or shadow folder
[17:30] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: check the files
[17:30] <erieslabnx> oops lol
[17:30] <erieslabnx> not folders
[17:30] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: see if the users you created are in there
[17:31] <erieslabnx> nothing listed for those same missing users in password file, but all active working users are in there
[17:31] <erieslabnx> shadow files are saying unreadable format
[17:33] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: if you do sudo less /etc/shadow ?
[17:34] <erieslabnx> ok i did sudo in and all files were readable, but those missing users are missing in both files
[17:34] <LaserJock> ok
[17:34] <erieslabnx> could sabayon have done this?
[17:35] <LaserJock> ohhhhh
[17:35] <LaserJock> you have sabayon installed?
[17:35] <erieslabnx> I think that is the breaking point where I added the additional users
[17:35] <erieslabnx> the existing users were added before sabayon I think
[17:35] <erieslabnx> I installed it but have not yet touched it
[17:35] <LaserJock> yeah, right now sabayon has a known bug where Users and Groups is broken after installing sabayon
[17:35] <erieslabnx> LOL
[17:36] <erieslabnx> this is why restore points are good lol
[17:36] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:36] <erieslabnx> alternate with ltsp
[17:36] <LaserJock> what release though
[17:36] <erieslabnx> 9.04
[17:36] <LaserJock> ok
[17:36] <LaserJock> so just uninstall sabayon
[17:36] <erieslabnx> that is jaunty right?
[17:36] <LaserJock> yep
[17:36] <erieslabnx> ok
[17:37] <LaserJock> sabayon itself is also broken in 9.04
[17:37] <LaserJock> so there's not much reason for testing it out at the moment :(
[17:37] <erieslabnx> ok thank you
[17:37] <LaserJock> sbalneav is working on getting it back in shape
[17:37] <LaserJock> but for now just removing it should fix everything up for you
[17:38] <erieslabnx> this is why I love this community, all real people, all willing to help if they have time
[17:38] <erieslabnx> even the developers!
[17:38] <LaserJock> we just wish we had more time :(
[17:38] <LaserJock> or else sabayon would be just fine in 9.04
[17:38] <erieslabnx> :)
[17:38] <erieslabnx> I am patient
[17:38] <LaserJock> but we're trying anyway
[17:39] <LaserJock> that's nice
[17:39] <LaserJock> many users aren't nearly so patient :-)
[17:39] <erieslabnx> very grateful for what is out there already
[17:39] <erieslabnx> My server was in a box yesterday and I had 10 thin clients connected in running in about 3 hours yesterday. I have never used Linux before in my life
[17:39] <erieslabnx> just awesome
[17:40] <LaserJock> oh wow
[17:40] <LaserJock> that's really cool
[17:40] <LaserJock> well, welcome to Linux and Ubuntu!
[17:41] <erieslabnx> :)
[17:41] <LaserJock> for LTSP stuff the #ltsp channel is awesome, if you haven't been over there yet
[17:41] <erieslabnx> I have been idling there learning :)
[17:42] <erieslabnx> thank you
[17:42] <erieslabnx> as far as sabayon, was it good before the glitches?
[17:42] <erieslabnx> the gui shows that it is highly rated
[17:43] <LaserJock> I think it might depend on how you use it and what you're wanting to get out of it
[17:43] <erieslabnx> jammed up
[17:43] <erieslabnx> screen is going out, i think it is the uninstall
[17:43] <erieslabnx> brb after reboot
[17:43] <LaserJock> k
[17:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ping
[17:50] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: are you using LTSP in an educational environment?
[17:51] <erieslabnx> you could say, yes....
[17:51] <erieslabnx> mental health, we provide job training to mentally disabled adults
[17:51] <LaserJock> oh, that's great
[17:51] <erieslabnx> at this office we are only deploying 12 seats, the next setup/ other office will be 50 seats
[17:52] <LaserJock> so is the LTSP setup for staff or for actual training?
[17:52] <erieslabnx> both actualy
[17:53] <LaserJock> Edubuntu has tossed around the idea of doing some "adult education" stuff but the idea never really got formulated
[17:53] <LaserJock> are you going to use an non-default apps or do you basically need office and web browsing?
[17:53] <erieslabnx> I have followed Edu for a long long time knowing they were the path we needed
[17:53] <erieslabnx> about three years before taking the dive
[17:54] <erieslabnx> the hesitation has just been the fact that I am scared to force myself to become a linux admin
[17:54] <LaserJock> geeze, that's some serious forethought :-)
[17:54] <LaserJock> I can understand that
[17:54] <erieslabnx> after seeing the simplicity of getting the thin clients running I am angry I wasted so much time
[17:55] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist by career/education
[17:55] <erieslabnx> :) Sociology here
[17:55] <LaserJock> so sysadmin'ing isn't exactly my forte necessarily
[17:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: pong
[17:55] <highvoltage> stgraber: pong
[17:56] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: ah, my wife is a "social scientist"
[17:56] <erieslabnx> I am hitting walls now, I installed Sabayon to make sure the thin clients were bullet proof from the users, and jacked my server up bad
[17:56] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: we're having an Edubuntu meeting in ~ 4min in #ubuntu-meeting, you're welcome to join us
[17:56] <erieslabnx> yes I am curious :) thank you
[17:57] <highvoltage> oh wow, it's Thursday already!?
[17:57] <LaserJock> highvoltage: uhhh, ya
[17:57] <LaserJock> and I thought *I* was the spacey one ;-p
[17:58] <erieslabnx> is there a password on the channel?
[17:58] <LaserJock> nope
[17:58] <erieslabnx> k
[17:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh
[17:59] <highvoltage> LaserJock: not much time for being spacey this week
[17:59] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: there are hardly any secret or protected channels in Ubuntu, even some of the Canonical stuff is open
[17:59] <erieslabnx> k
[18:01] <erieslabnx> hmm these missing users are listed in /etc/ groups
[18:02] <erieslabnx> group rather without the s
[18:02] <erieslabnx> and /etc/ gshadow
[18:03] <LaserJock> ah
[18:03] <LaserJock> so maybe the user was removed fine
[18:03] <LaserJock> but the corresponding group remains
[18:04] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: go into Users and Groups and go to the groups section and see if they're listed
[18:04] <LaserJock> nubae: Edubuntu meeting time
[18:04] <LaserJock> [18:06] <erieslabnx> yeah they are listed in groups, could that be why I can't add them add them as Users?
[18:07] <erieslabnx> yep worked
[18:07] <erieslabnx> thanks for the help again guys
[18:08] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: np
[18:08] <LaserJock> highvoltage: if we don't get stgraber and nubae I think we're better off just rescheduling
[18:09] <highvoltage> *nod*
[18:09] <erieslabnx> I just seen nubae a few minutes ago
[18:09] <erieslabnx> unless he timed out a few minutes ago there activity in another room
[18:09] <LaserJock> I'd like us to go over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.10/Tasks
[18:10] <LaserJock> I added some packaging/QA stuff a minute ago
[18:11] <LaserJock> erieslabnx: so have you been installing many apps outside the Ubuntu defaults?
[18:12] <LaserJock> or are you still in the "getting LTSP set up" stage?
[18:13] <erieslabnx> I have started looking about, more interested in getting the system stable and locked down so it can't be modified much
[18:13] <erieslabnx> I don't wanna be sought out for tech support all day long everyday
[18:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:29] <stgraber> LaserJock: I'm back
[18:29] <stgraber> sorry was on lunch break
[18:29] <LaserJock> k
[18:29] <LaserJock> nubae: pingy pingy
[18:30] <stgraber> highvoltage: saw my commit ? (standard version)
[18:50] <highvoltage> nubaaaaaaaaae
[20:33] <intok> anyone tried Qimo before? how is it for young kids?
[20:58] <pygi> intok: its pretty good, yes
[22:46] <nubae> highvoltage: hi
[22:46] <nubae> voltage :-)
[22:46] <nubae> any idea what Laserjockus wanted?


[10:51] <Chikore> Hello nizarus elacheche :)
[10:51] <elacheche> Hey!
[10:53] <Chikore> how are you?
[10:59] <elacheche> Good thx
[11:22] <damascene> elacheche, please someone change the topic of #ubuntu-arabic to reference this channel and #linuxac