[06:30] <regeya> jdub, some of my gripes are the same gripes you'll see elsewhere.  as I said I like GNOME and there's no point to rehash the same goddamn flamefest.  let it rest.
[06:30] <Keybuk> spatial was what made me stop removing nautilus from my session :p
[06:31] <MacPlusG3> jdub: same. i actually have icons for folders on the desktop and everything.
[06:31] <jdub> regeya: see, i have emotional investment in a project that intends to be maximally usable for a huge proportion of people, right? then you say "insult my intelligence" - dude, i need to know why so i can fix it or explain it.
[06:31] <MacPlusG3> jdub: and i use the desktop now in exactly the same way I did in the macos days. like i do my real desk... a place for mess.
[06:32] <regeya> jdub:  I guess it's not so much a question of things that were changed as it was the process...I don't think I'm the only person left wondering what 'regular users' were polled when interface, feature, etc. decisions were made.
[06:32] <jdub> regeya: if you talk to a developer, they're curious. if you flame a developer, they'll defensively flame back. one of these methods is productive. :-)
[06:32] <regeya> heh
[06:32] <jdub> regeya: ok, that's one i'll have to explain :-)
[06:33] <only2lonely> jdub: it is really a difference in philisophical opion about using a computer, IMO
[06:33] <jdub> regeya: the thing is, only a teeny-weeny fraction of users participate in the project.
[06:33] <only2lonely> interface dictates use vs use dictates interface
[06:33] <jdub> regeya: and when i say teeny-weeny, i'm talking nano level.
[06:34] <jdub> regeya: and that group of people are very different from the potential user base out there in the real world
[06:34] <only2lonely> 1/2 of people want to be told what to do, the other half want to decide for themselves what they do
[06:34] <jdub> regeya: anyone who is on irc is in a very tiny proportion of relatively technology comfortable people
[06:34] <regeya> only2lonely:  heh, c'mon, let jdub finish. :-D
[06:35] <jdub> only2lonely: disagree, but i'll come back to that.
[06:35] <Markrian> jdub, just to nitpick, I don't think a billion people use GNOME - though that is an aim, I'm sure ;o
[06:35] <jdub> regeya: so when you see a slashdot poll, or a discussion in irc or on a web forum, who are they? not regular people.
[06:35] <jdub> Markrian: i'm talking potential userbase. not current userbase.
[06:35] <jdub> Markrian: why design for 0.000001% of the population?
[06:35] <Markrian> Oh I see
[06:35] <only2lonely> jdub: that's the rub for a lot of people though, you deciding what is good for everyone, instead of letting them decide for themselves
[06:36] <regeya> ooh ooh ooh this reminds me that I need to find out how nautilus informs rhythmbox when you tell it to "add to my music collection"...list of things todo
[06:36] <jdub> this is a fundamental shift in thinking from gnome 1.x to 2.x
[06:36] <only2lonely> it's liek the difference between the democrats and the republicans in the US
[06:36] <jdub> ignoring the political issue
[06:36] <smo> on a different scale .. "vocal minority" is a lot more minor in this case
[06:37] <jdub> let's analogise -> how many "options" does your kettle have?
[06:37] <jdub> mine has none
[06:37] <regeya> only2lonely, I'm with you, but I have to think that adding the oldsk00l nautilus experience level to all apps would be, um, time-consuming, if not difficult.
[06:37] <jdub> like, quite literally, none
[06:37] <only2lonely> The political thing is just an analogy to illustrate two fundamental differences in the way one looks at the workd
[06:37] <only2lonely> worls
[06:37] <regeya> not that I'd mind having that rather than editing gconf keys, but I think it'd be difficult. :-)
[06:37] <jdub> how about my iron
[06:37] <regeya> but I'm lazy.
[06:37] <jdub> my iron has a single round switcher that chooses heat
[06:38] <jdub> that's a pretty important functional choice
[06:38] <jdub> that stops me burning my silk ties
[06:38] <froust> can any user use the sudo command?
[06:38] <dataw0lf> froust: it must be specified in /etc/sudoers
[06:38] <jdub> now, i want my computer to be like that
[06:38] <jdub> it should just work
[06:38] <jdub> do the right thing
[06:38] <jdub> for the greatest common factor of users
[06:38] <only2lonely> sinngle purpose appliances are bad analogies to multiple purpose software programs
[06:38] <jdub> without micro-management
[06:38] <Markrian> jdub, out of interest, how heavily influenced is GNOME by Mac OS
[06:39] <froust> data - thank you
[06:39] <jdub> Markrian: a fair bit, but we look at everything for ideas
[06:39] <regeya> OTOH there's the car analogy.  In the Model-T days, few people had their cars, but it was field-servicible.  Now?  I take my car to a waaaay-overpriced service to get my car fixed, in exchange for the convenience of a car where I put the car in Drive, press the accelerator, and it goes VROOOOM down the road.
[06:39] <jdub> recent mac os is very interesting
[06:39] <Markrian> It's fantastic
[06:40] <jdub> from the perspective of getting the just-works interface right, the gui-on-unix bits right, etc.
[06:40] <MacPlusG3> and GNOME does do a number of things a lot better than modern MacOS
[06:40] <regeya> but then again, I suppose if people such as myself and others here are mad as hell about GNOME I suppose we could do what the GNOME devs did over the KDE licensing issue.  but I haven't seen a dominant third wheel...erm, desktop project.
[06:40] <jdub> they're also not afraid to do different things
[06:40] <smo> regeya: compare how many people enjoy spending their weekends under their car, with those who really want to get from A to B ?
[06:40] <brian__> will somone guide me in installing kernel 2.6.10 from hoary with pinning
[06:40] <jdub> have a look at Pages some time, *that's* smart stuff
[06:40] <Markrian> OSX 10.4... there's just no equal
[06:40] <jdub> regeya: why are you "mad as hell"?
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> hmm
[06:41] <MacPlusG3> jdub: and Keynote. that is a killer app
[06:41] <regeya> smo:  I'd argue that there are great similarities between home *n?x users and people who tear their cars apart on the weekends. :-)
[06:41] <MacPlusG3> Markrian: on some levels... on others... we're still way ahead
[06:41] <jdub> MacPlusG3: keynote is not a huge leap from other presentation tools
[06:41] <jdub> regeya: then you're designing for a tiny proportion of the world
[06:41] <jdub> regeya: "unix users"
[06:41] <regeya> jdub:  I'm not, but some people sure as heck seem to be for some reason.  me, I think it's just a desktop and if I were really that annoyed about it I'd help revamp KDE apps.  but I don't care.
[06:41] <jdub> i am not a unix user
[06:42] <regeya> jdub:  I'm not using unix right now, but I'm using gnome.
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> I've been having a think about spatial, and it's a damn good idea, I mean, i can't handle haning IRC being anywhere except bottom right hand corner
[06:42] <jdub> i am an ubuntu user, a gnome user, etc.
[06:42] <smo> regeya: exactly.  what's getting funky is thinking beyond home/hobbyist users
[06:42] <MacPlusG3> jdub: i found that going from PPT/OOImpress to it was like reaching Nirvana - i was no longer fighting to get slides done.
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> *having
[06:42] <Markrian> MacPlusG3, 'we', referring to the Mac?
[06:42] <regeya> *n?x...does that match linux?  does that match unix users?
[06:42] <MacPlusG3> Markrian: we referring to linux
[06:42] <regeya> smo: yeah...it's sort of interesting to see that.
[06:42] <Markrian> Really... some examples?
[06:42] <jdub> MacPlusG3: yeah, it's a better mousetrap, not a new way of looking at things. :)
[06:43] <goofykinky> hi
[06:44] <poof> Any one know what package I need for reading NTFS?
[06:44] <goofykinky> can u help solve various problems of my ubuntu?
[06:44] <poof> Hi goofy :)
[06:44] <Markrian> poof, none
[06:44] <regeya> jdub:  anyway, after saying all that, I do have to point out that I'm quite impressed with modern GNOME and that if there's anything I can't do with the current GUI it's more than likely doable with a tiny shell script (just as I would do in OS X, so nyeah), so I'm happy.  Sorry for being a bit trollish there, and hope to see a marvelous 2.10.
[06:44] <Markrian> kernel has modules to do it by default
[06:44] <poof> cool, is it already installed?
[06:44] <jdub> regeya: i think i can say what you're trying to express fairly succinctly
[06:44] <poof> nice thanks Mark :)
[06:44] <regeya> shoot, jdub
[06:44] <Markrian> np poof
[06:44] <jdub> regeya: gnome is no longer as interesting to tinkerers and ricers as it once was.
[06:45] <regeya> lol
[06:45] <regeya> I suppose that's correct! :-)
[06:45] <goofykinky> why when i start loading ubuntu on my sistem it hangs on the "Starting Hotplug Subsystem" feature?
[06:45] <poof> I am useing XFce, it like unbuntu, and runs verry fast 8)
[06:45] <goofykinky> and how do i do that?
[06:45] <mebaran> most of the new people that have introduced the GNOME comment how much cleaner it is than Windows
[06:45] <regeya> jdub: one question, though, and THIS one is serious:  as I'm ignorant of the dev side of things gnome-related, is there in place or are there plans for convenience libs for HIG compliance?
[06:46] <only2lonely> Okay, I really enjoyed watching that train wreck , but I have to go to bed
[06:46] <poof> XFce is cleaner than gnome too :)
[06:46] <froust> can anyone tell me the syntax for installing grub? (grub-install /????)
[06:46] <mebaran> grub-install /dev/(your hardisk name here)
[06:46] <regeya> jdub: that's one thing that has scared me away, the notion of having to audit the look and feel of an app rather than having the code do the Right Thing(TM) for me because I am, as I said before, lazy. :-}
[06:46] <mebaran> proof: but I found XFCE too be a tad minimalist
[06:46] <Markrian> poof, xfce4.2 is a beatiful piece of software
[06:46] <poof> is it possible to use a custom GRB background? I am professional artist and I want to make some cool ones for Ubuntu
[06:47] <mebaran> kind of like loking at new modernt art
[06:47] <jdub> regeya: HIG-compliance is more about design than using the right libs. there are some gtk+ widgets that are useful for doing the right stuff, but it's not really a technical issue.
[06:47] <poof> I cant get 4.2 working, hoary dont like me
[06:47] <froust> mebaran: which partition?
[06:47] <Markrian> poof, look at /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
[06:47] <MacPlusG3> poof: yes - have a look at the man page for the config file. should tell you how to specify the image
[06:47] <jdub> regeya: "the code" can't make a usable interface for you.
[06:47] <froust> i'm dual booting
[06:47] <regeya> jdub: I disagree, but that's okay.
[06:47] <froust> if that matters
[06:47] <jdub> regeya: you disagree with...?
[06:48] <jdub> there are widgets that facilitate HIG-style designs
[06:48] <regeya> jdub:  I believe it's possible to have code that's (been a long time since I looked at the hig, sorry) able to abstract the process of, say, putting x number of pixels between buttons y and z
[06:48] <regeya> but as I say, I'm ignorant of such things so maybe I shouldn't worry
[06:48] <jdub> that's not library magic dust
[06:48] <regeya> say I shouldn't worry
[06:48] <jdub> that's gui designer magic dust
[06:48] <regeya> *groan*
[06:49] <jdub> glade3 should be much better in that regard
[06:49] <jdub> it's somewhat challenging to get things right in glade atm
[06:49] <mebaran> I wonder if anyone knows of any good music notation programs
[06:49] <regeya> you're telling me that I should memorize the hig and properly design by hand if I want to write a real gnome app?  nevermind, then.
[06:49] <jdub> mebaran: i think rosegarden is regarded as the best FOSS app
[06:49] <mebaran> yeah
[06:49] <mebaran> but rosegarden was pretty poor
[06:49] <mebaran> I was using Finale
[06:49] <mebaran> which is horrible
[06:49] <mebaran> ugly
[06:50] <regeya> I have enough trouble memorizing layout rules for newspaper layouts :->
[06:50] <jdub> regeya: well, on one hand yes, on one hand no.
[06:50] <mebaran> and produces pooor output
[06:50] <mebaran> but it works
[06:50] <mebaran> Rosegarden
[06:50] <jdub> regeya: your gui designer should assist you with the basics, such as padding
[06:50] <mebaran> never seemed too
[06:50] <jdub> regeya: but your gui designer can't help you out with semantic issues, etc.
[06:50] <regeya> and by 'semantic issues'...please elaborate
[06:50] <Markrian> mebaran, you mean sequencers, or apps which allow you to create musical notation with staves etc?
[06:50] <mebaran> welll that is nice
[06:51] <jdub> regeya: if you want to design apps properly for os x, you still need to read and understand their guidelines
[06:51] <brian__> oh yay rythym box is upgradeable
[06:51] <jdub> regeya: which widgets to use for certain tasks, layout conventions, etc.
[06:51] <regeya> well, true
[06:51] <jdub> so quite literally, you do design by hand
[06:52] <jdub> that is how design is done
[06:52] <regeya> things like where to put the Preferences... menu item I can understand.
[06:52] <regeya> jdub: as a graphic designer, I appreciate your explaining that designers design :-> but...hang on, let me find something and let's see if you can tell me if this is an issue I need to know off the top of my head...
[06:53] <mebaran> jdub: the biggest issue that new converts to GNOME had (from Windows) was poor fonts
[06:53] <mebaran> that the didnt look clean
[06:53] <mebaran> I dont know how that effects anything
[06:54] <mebaran> but it always seemed like the biggest complaint
[06:54] <mebaran> that and the fact you dont have a C: drive
[06:54] <mebaran> but the C: drive is a plus
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> c: drive is a broken concept
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> always was, always will be
[06:54] <mebaran> I mean not having a C: drive is a plus
[06:54] <mebaran> yeah
[06:54] <mebaran> it is
[06:54] <mebaran> but old habits die hard
[06:54] <poof> LOL i am lookiing to buy a laptop, and some dude is advertiseing that he will install Fedora or Debian for 50$ extra.... OMG i can see 50$ for installing Gento , but 50$ for installing Debian? If I buy from this guy I will just tell him to make 4 partitions and just install windows LOL!!
[06:54] <regeya> fonts really aren't a GNOME issue, but eh
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> poof: time is not free
[06:54] <mebaran> yeah
[06:55] <mebaran> they arent
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> poof: I wouldn't do it for <$50
[06:55] <poof> I would gove maby 10$ extea but not 50
[06:55] <mebaran> neither woudl I
[06:55] <Markrian> HrdwrBoB, why is C: etc a broken concept?
[06:55] <mebaran> maybe for a friend
[06:55] <jdub> mebaran: largely dealt with now (with vera, and improved freetype)
[06:55] <mebaran> yeah
[06:55] <MacPlusG3> Markrian: have more than 26 drives
[06:55] <mebaran> I have been a tad of an evangelist
[06:55] <brian__> mscorefonts are easily available
[06:55] <MacPlusG3> Markrian: or have more than 1 - how on earth do you tell them apart?
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> Markrian: it's a very silly way of (not) abstracting the hardware
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i prevent apt-get dist-upgrade from downgrading from newer packages i've personally installed?
[06:56] <mebaran> Other than that the other problem was gaming.
[06:56] <mebaran> But I know gaming is all about market.
[06:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> and how can i install newer packages, like nautilus 2.9?
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran: as I see, it, the current major problem is legal multimedia support
[06:56] <mebaran> Most of the people found the spatial mode nice
[06:56] <mebaran> and inuitive
[06:56] <brian__> anyone know if it's safe to upgrade kernel in synaptic?
[06:56] <chibifs> It is.
[06:56] <brian__> and whats the diff from full kern to image?
[06:57] <mebaran> no one who I gave the LivCD's too complained about multimedia
[06:57] <Markrian> HrdwrBoB, ah yes... excuse me, it's very very late and I must concentrate on my angiosperms...
[06:57] <mebaran> a good CD AUdio burning app woudl be REALLY REALLY nice
[06:57] <mebaran> written in GTK
[06:57] <poof> kb3
[06:57] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: gnome 2.9 is in hoary
[06:57] <brian__> GRAVEMAN for cd burning
[06:57] <Markrian> mebaran, Gnome Baker is coming along
[06:57] <mebaran> like kb3
[06:57] <mebaran> haha
[06:57] <mebaran> when it comes I will be happy
[06:57] <mebaran> CLI is fun and all...
[06:57] <mebaran> but after a while
[06:57] <OddAbe19> gnomebaker, is really nice
[06:57] <chibifs> Mebaran, have you tried using nautilus for CD's? It works rather nice aside from the lack of debug information.
[06:57] <OddAbe19> he's doing good work with that
[06:57] <goofykinky> can anyone helpme or not?
[06:58] <Jikkle> my ubuntu came without kde
[06:58] <brian__> how bout Coaster?
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> Jikkle: that's a feature, not a bug
[06:58] <Markrian> jdub, will nautilus-cd-burner 2.10 be able to create audio CDs?
[06:58] <mebaran> Natuilus does good for data
[06:58] <mebaran> but for audio it pans short
[06:58] <jdub> Markrian: not n-c-b itself, no
[06:58] <chibifs> Ewwww. What is the purpose of Audio CDs? :o
[06:59] <mebaran> haha
[06:59] <regeya> jdub:  "The border around all edges of the alert, and the space between the icon and the text, is 12 pixels." <- will Glade not handle this, and how is this not an issue that could be abstracted?  Why use pixels at all instead of, say, ems (I'm not a GUI designer, I think in terms of print :-P) or percentages or some other abstracted metric, and how is button position not something that can be abstracted?  that reeks of excuse
[06:59] <regeya> , though you'll probably be offended by my saying so...please don't suggest that I write it, because you don't want to wish that on the world ;-)
[06:59] <setite> hey
[06:59] <setite> totem sucks
[06:59] <setite> i want the newer one
[06:59] <regeya> o_O
[06:59] <setite> but im getting hella problems
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: a lot of people make them for going in cars and for giving to people who only have CD players
[06:59] <tolle> brian__: Coaster doesnt do audiocds..
[06:59] <jdub> regeya: splitting your question up
[06:59] <setite> is there a repo that has totem .100?
[06:59] <regeya> setite: try 'xine'
[06:59] <Jikkle> i can't get shorewall to work
[06:59] <regeya> sorry jdub
[06:59] <setite> tried xine
[06:59] <setite> quality is not good
[06:59] <chibifs> :/ They should get Mp3 CD players, they aren't that expensive.
[06:59] <setite> i read that totem is btter
[06:59] <regeya> define 'not good'
[06:59] <setite> but i cant get it to play dvds
[06:59] <Markrian> goofykinky, what's the problem
[07:00] <poof> I thing totem is built on to p  of XINE
[07:00] <setite> its blurry it should be better
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: some people are too technically inept to handle it
[07:00] <jdub> regeya: we're using pixels because that's what gtk+ can handle for the moment (it will be able to use other units in a later release, possibly even 2.8)
[07:00] <regeya> setite: that depends.  there's a gstreamer backend, and a xine backend
[07:00] <chibifs> Hehe.
[07:00] <mebaran> I still like Audio CDs for my nicer stereo
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: others simply cannot afford it
[07:00] <jdub> regeya: (although i doubt it for 2.8)
[07:00] <regeya> jdub:  sweet!
[07:00] <chibifs> I got one for 30 bucks :D
[07:00] <jdub> regeya: glade3 should handle simple dialogue layout
[07:00] <brian__> is gnome baker in repos yet?
[07:00] <Jikkle> does it write DVD's?
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran: nice enough, though they don't have to be in audio CD format, you can still have the same clarity (or more)
[07:00] <jdub> regeya: it's not something that should or could sanely be abstracted by "another library"
[07:00] <regeya> setite:  you can find an explanation of how to play DVDs on the wiki, I believe.
[07:01] <setite> i figured its because of poor quality decryption
[07:01] <jdub> regeya: dialogue button position could be somewhat abstracted, but it would mostly be a waste of time
[07:01] <Markrian> setite, DVD picture quality is a bit pants in xine, and anything which uses its libraries
[07:01] <jdub> and if it were done at the gtk+ level, it would be imposing policy in the toolkit
[07:01] <Jikkle> what's the command to start gnome?
[07:01] <Markrian> setite, it's not decryption that's the problem
[07:01] <regeya> jdub: okay; I guess I'm just cantankerous, and you're right, I suppose, that one should use a designer.  I'm one of those dorks who still uses a text editor for html, understand. ;-)
[07:02] <goofykinky> Markrian, look when ubuntu starts on my system it hangs in the "Starting Hotplug Subsystem" thing and some times it finish loading and some times no..
[07:02] <jdub> Jikkle: just log in with gdm in a normal install
[07:02] <chibifs> Even though I detest using it, I find mplayer best for movie playback of any kind.
[07:02] <jdub> regeya: no one writes glade files by hand.
[07:02] <Jikkle> ok ty
[07:02] <Markrian> goofykinky, what peripherals do you have connected to your PC
[07:02] <setite> Markrian - a "bit of pants"? and what is the problem
[07:02] <jdub> regeya: modifications, yes, authoring, no.
[07:02] <setite> are there better libraries
[07:02] <regeya> glade is mandatory?  again, ignorant of the process...
[07:02] <Markrian> setite, "a bit pants" means "rubbish", "not good"
[07:03] <goofykinky> Markrian, i have one usb cam thats all
[07:03] <jdub> regeya: glade is the ui designer, libglade is the tool that builds the interface out of the .glade file xml description.
[07:03] <setite> ok i agree.. is there a solution?
[07:03] <rob0> What's the logic in the setup's automatic partitioning? On my 12GB laptop I got 11.x for / and about 490 swap. I'm going to have to parted ...
[07:03] <Markrian> setite, there is gstreamer, but that's not much better. OSS DVD playback isn't perfect
[07:03] <Markrian> yet
[07:03] <mebaran> I am going to query a third and final time.
[07:03] <jdub> regeya: but realistically, no one writes glade files without using the glade designer. that would be pretty insane.
[07:03] <chibifs> Ehk. That reminds me, both my BTTV card and CPiA camera make my system fail to boot :/
[07:03] <regeya> jdub:  right, and I swear I've seen apps that *don't* use glade.
[07:03] <mebaran> Does anybody know why grub mysteriously cant find my kernels but for ONE, and the original.
[07:03] <jdub> regeya: oh, apps don't have to use libglade.
[07:03] <poof> if you guys are gammers may I suggest, Cromium, Gltron, and Return To castle Wolfinstein Enemy terratory... any one got any more gool game I should try?
[07:04] <Markrian> goofykinky, the camera might be causing the problem I'm afraid
[07:04] <chibifs> Ewwwww Gltron :P
[07:04] <poof> cool not gool
[07:04] <Markrian> perhaps only attach it when you use it
[07:04] <chibifs> Armagettron owns it :D
[07:04] <jdub> regeya: though few people really write a *lot* of gtk+ ui generation code manually.
[07:04] <jdub> because it's boring and unfulfilling
[07:04] <setite> does mplayer play mp3s?
[07:05] <mebaran> its better than taking out the trash
[07:05] <poof> Ok I forgot Frozen Bubble
[07:05] <mebaran> setite: mplayer plays everything
[07:05] <Markrian> setite, yes, but it's not ideal for that
[07:05] <setite> ok...
[07:05] <goofykinky> Markrian, i'm afraid so, well thats one part of it, then my cable modem does not start by default and i already check the "start internet by default" whats wrong there?
[07:05] <daniels> (the general way to do it in Qt/KDE is to design it with Qt Designer, take the generated C++, make it less astonishingly shit, and ship that)
[07:05] <mebaran> I find mplayer fine for everything
[07:06] <setite> well xine is ideal
[07:06] <mebaran> Python is fine for my programming needs.
[07:06] <brian__> ne one try xine and like it over gstreamer?
[07:06] <setite> but it makes me feel like my eyes are bad
[07:06] <mebaran> But then again I dont do much
[07:06] <jdub> regeya: so next time, do the opinionating after asking lots of questions, instead of before. people respond better that way.
[07:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i think the words "generated" and "c++" equal evil :)
[07:06] <Markrian> goofykinky, is the cable modem otherwise correctly configured, do you know? (i.e., IP address/DHCP set up, etc)
[07:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: and explain a lot :)
[07:06] <jdub> daniels: how often is the kde equivalent to libglade used?
[07:06] <setite> what repo has the latest builds of totem
[07:07] <pdkl> brian__: use the gstreamer-xine package
[07:07] <Markrian> brian__, imo xine is much more capable at the moment
[07:07] <jdub> daniels: we ran away from generated code a while back (though doing it with C++ can be less insane)
[07:07] <setite> pdkl what is that
[07:07] <Markrian> but I prefer to use gstreamer where I can
[07:07] <poof> Xine is cool, Ican se most of my porn, but WMF files dont seem to work, they dont work for Mplayer either? how may I view all things good and latex, if i cant see wmv?
[07:07] <regeya> jdub: okeydoke, you seem to be of fairly typical mindset...it's midnight here, and I don't wish to point out that a third option of convenience code might be nice for some, and you don't seem to want to discuss alternatives anyway.  jdub, you may not realize this, but I'm a little more intelligent than you seem to assume, but hell, I couldn't care less if you think I'm talking out my ass.  I guess I can't have an opinion unles
[07:07] <regeya> s I'm a GNOME dev or a Joe Sixpack who doesn't even know what IRC is.  Thanks for your time.
[07:07] <pdkl> it makes the default applications like totem movie player work on nearly all avis
[07:07] <chibifs> Mplayer is best at decoding windows formats, poof.
[07:07] <regeya> 'night.
[07:07] <Markrian> poof, you need to install win32 codecs
[07:07] <goofykinky> Markrian,  yes my DHCP its correctly configured but every time i have the chance to log in on my system i have to start it manually..
[07:07] <pdkl> except VLC runs .bin & cue
[07:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i prevent apt-get dist-upgrade from downgrading from newer packages i've personally installed?
[07:07] <jdub> heh
[07:07] <brian__> theres a paxkage for windows files
[07:08] <brian__> codecs*
[07:08] <jdub> i wish i could point out to him that gtk+ is the convenience library.
[07:08] <jdub> oh well.
[07:08] <brian__> oh mak beat me to it
[07:08] <Markrian> goofykinky, what command do you use to start it manually?
[07:08] <brian__> mark*
[07:08] <pdkl> i havent even installed any w32 codecs
[07:09] <mebaran> where do I get them
[07:09] <brian__> i needed them cuz some of my music is wma
[07:09] <brian__> just search in synaptic
[07:09] <pdkl> brian__:  just a reminder those w32 codecs wont play signed wmas
[07:09] <brian__> or add  the repos in http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:09] <goofykinky> Markrian, well i go under the networking seccion on my computer configuration settings and then i check the section "Activate when computer starts"
[07:10] <brian__> yea no drm wmas
[07:10] <Markrian> And do you click OK/Apply?
[07:11] <brian__> anyone know if it's safe to upgrade kernel in synaptic?
[07:11] <goofykinky> Markrian, yes i click ok and Apply
[07:12] <froust> anyone know how to remove an unknown gdesklet from my desktop?
[07:12] <setite> mplayer wont run
[07:12] <setite> i installed xmms mplayer
[07:13] <setite> are gstreamer and xine the only libs out ther
[07:13] <daniels> jdub: never; i didn't know it existed (it may be new to qt4)
[07:13] <daniels> jdub: the generated code wasn't too bad, it just had a lot of unnecessary stuff and looked like arse
[07:13] <daniels> jdub: so all my kopete ui code was originally generated from qt designer, then hacked to hell
[07:14] <setite> i wonder if powerdvd would run under wine
[07:14] <setite> where do i get wine
 yes
 be sure to get winae ALSA package if your system uses alsa
[07:14] <Markrian> goofykinky, basically the file /etc/network/interfaces needs to have a line in it saying "auto eth0", where eth0 is the device name of the modem
[07:14] <Markrian> erm
[07:14] <setite> i dont knwo why my system uses
[07:15] <setite> where do i get it
[07:15] <poof> ALSA is debian default
[07:15] <poof> err
[07:15] <mebaran> mplayer is as good as power DVD
[07:15] <poof> ubuntu
[07:15] <Markrian> ALSA support is broken in wine and has been for a while
[07:15] <setite> well mplayer wont run
[07:15] <setite> it says starting mplayer but nothing pops up
[07:16] <goofykinky> Markrian, ok let me check it!
[07:16] <poof> type gmplayer in commandline
[07:16] <poof> gmplayer has GUI
[07:16] <poof> you may need to APT-GET GMplayer
[07:17] <goofykinky> Markrian, look this is what it says # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[07:17] <goofykinky> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[07:17] <goofykinky> # The loopback network interface
[07:17] <goofykinky> auto lo
[07:17] <goofykinky> iface lo inet loopback
[07:17] <goofykinky> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:17] <goofykinky> name Ethernet LAN card
[07:17] <setite> wtf
[07:17] <goofykinky> auto eth0
[07:17] <setite> its not working
[07:17] <setite> i added the ubuntu wine repo but its not working
[07:18] <setite> i bet i didnt case it right
[07:18] <HostingGeek> 0_o what happened to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:18] <setite> stupid case sensitivity
[07:19] <Markrian> goofykinky, I'm probably wrong, but I think "auto eth0" has to come before any other mention of eth0
[07:20] <yoko_ubuntu> Q: how does one change their resolution in warty?
[07:20] <goofykinky> Markrian, ok should i move it?
[07:20] <Markrian> goofykinky, try it, yeah
[07:20] <goofykinky> Markrian,  and i suppose i need to restart right?
[07:21] <setite> would i be able to get cedega CVS via apt-get?
[07:21] <Markrian> then run the command "sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart" - that'll disconnect you, and hopefully reconnet you
[07:22] <mebaran> out of curiousity
[07:22] <mebaran> Mmplayer complains it cant lock /dev/mixer
[07:22] <Markrian> goofykinky, generally in linux you can modify pretty much anything and it take effect without a complete system restart
[07:22] <mebaran> hod od I solve that
[07:22] <poof> did you do the Mplayer script from the forum?
[07:22] <brian__> omg rhythm box froze...
[07:22] <goofykinky> Markrian, oooh thank god another linux advantage..
[07:23] <Markrian> goofykinky, time for me to hit the sac - good luck
[07:23] <setite> with wine can i run PowerDVD straight from the windows partition?
[07:23] <goofykinky> Markrian,  thankyou very much for all!!
[07:23] <Markrian> np
[07:24] <poof> you guy got WINGS 3D yet? the new auto UV mapping totaly ROCKS!!
[07:26] <mebaran> what is the windows partition formatted as
[07:27] <setite> ntfs
[07:27] <mebaran> ntfs might be a tad difficult
[07:27] <mebaran> you could probably do it
[07:27] <setite> where is wine
[07:28] <mebaran> but it is not worth the hassle and mplayer is fine
[07:28] <setite> nope
[07:28] <setite> mplayer wont run
[07:28] <froust> has anyone installed the amd64-k8 kernel?
[07:28] <mebaran> I tried
[07:29] <setite> how do you find the name of a program
[07:29] <setite> like i know you can type half the name
[07:29] <setite> and press somethign to get a list of what it might be
[07:29] <mebaran> press tab
[07:29] <deepfry> try tab
[07:30] <setite> oh god there is alot of wine stuff
[07:30] <setite> i need the help guide
[07:30] <poof> just the bas packaged should get you going on wine
[07:30] <poof> base
[07:30] <poof> 1 sec
[07:31] <mebaran> wine is weird though
[07:31] <mebaran> it normally doesnt work
[07:31] <setite> thats all i got
[07:31] <yoko_ubuntu> wine doesn't work?
[07:32] <brian__> you should use like side net
[07:32] <deepfry> wine usually works if your system can handle it
[07:32] <brian__> to configuire wine to work better
[07:32] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ win
[07:32] <setite> wine              winecpp           wine-kthread      wine-preloader
[07:32] <setite> wineboot          winedbg           winelauncher      wine-pthread
[07:32] <setite> winebrowser       winedump          winemaker         wineserver
[07:32] <setite> winebuild         winefile          winemine          wineshelllink
[07:32] <setite> winecfg           wineg++           winepath          winhelp
[07:32] <setite> wineconsole       winegcc           wineprefixcreate  winicontoppm
[07:33] <setite> it installed all that
[07:33] <brian__> winesetup tk doesnt work when u install it right?
[07:33] <brian__> *doesnt install
[07:34] <setite> ??
[07:34] <setite> i installed wine
[07:34] <setite> with synaptic
[07:34] <setite> with http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/ as the repo
[07:35] <setite> http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/  binary/
[07:35] <brian__> if u want to run a windows program just double click exe
[07:37] <brian__> your fake windows drive should be at /home/you/.wine/drive_c
[07:38] <mebaran> Fourth query for grub.
[07:38] <mebaran> New people new answers.
[07:39] <mebaran> Anybody here know how to fix a grub that boots only one kernel.
[07:39] <mebaran> It seems not to be able to follow the paths correctly
[07:39] <setite> ok imma copy it over
[07:39] <MM2> ok, ubuntu got installed to computer class, all works fine with 15 comps, but 2 of them...
[07:40] <MM2> can't log in to them
[07:40] <MM2> I must use single mode to access command line
[07:40] <MM2> single user mode, I ment
[07:41] <MM2> to other comp I could log in nice (it had no network cable) and I rebooted it -> can't log in now
[07:41] <netzone_tech> hello
[07:41] <netzone_tech> when would hoary be out?
[07:41] <MM2> It doesn't ask for a password even,
[07:42] <brian__> hoary out in april
[07:42] <netzone_tech> oh..
[07:42] <netzone_tech> would it support 3d hardware acceleration?
[07:42] <brian__> umm i think every 6 moths
[07:42] <netzone_tech> i have ATI card...
[07:42] <brian__> of course
[07:42] <brian__> oh..
[07:42] <brian__> not shure im nvidia
[07:42] <netzone_tech> and i don't think ATI has released the driver for xorg
[07:42] <outsider1> Whats the best way to mount windows partitions in linux? Must I use that /media folder?
[07:42] <brian__> srry mm2 i cant help u :(
[07:43] <brian__> i mounted my windows in /mnt/windows
[07:43] <netzone_tech> what was that about, MM2 ?
[07:43] <outsider1> brian__: using /etc/fstab ?
[07:43] <brian__> he installed ubuntu to 15 comps
[07:43] <brian__> but 2 wont login
[07:43] <netzone_tech> eh???
[07:43] <netzone_tech> strange
[07:44] <netzone_tech> same hardware spec??
[07:44] <brian__> not shure he literally shut up :S
[07:44] <netzone_tech> oh
[07:44] <maximaus> outsider1, just add this line to /etc/fstab (change hda1 as needed): /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[07:45] <cg0def> how would you compare/contrast gentoo to ubuntu
[07:45] <cg0def> I am thinking of withcing from gentoo but I am not yet sure
[07:45] <netzone_tech> one is based on debian..
[07:45] <netzone_tech> the other i don't know
[07:45] <netzone_tech> hehe
[07:45] <cg0def> I know that
[07:45] <cg0def> gentoo is source based
[07:45] <netzone_tech> one uses apt.. the other uses portage or something like that..  (i guess you know this as well)
[07:45] <froust> I just rebooted and got stuck at a grub> prompt
[07:45] <froust> how do i get into linux?
[07:45] <cg0def> I was wondering how up to date ubuntu is
[07:45] <netzone_tech> other than that...... i don't know
[07:46] <jdub> cg0def: it's released every six months
[07:46] <jdub> cg0def: so the oldest stuff you're going to get is max six months
[07:46] <mebaran> based on Debian Unstable
[07:46] <mebaran> and most of the stuff is kept fairly new
[07:46] <jdub> mebaran: we like to say "sid" :-)
[07:46] <froust> anyone?
[07:46] <cg0def> yeah but don't you get updated packages whenever new releases come out?
[07:46] <cg0def> say gtk releases a new version
[07:46] <netzone_tech> that would depends on which repository you are updating against, isn't it?
[07:46] <jdub> cg0def: not in the stable release, no. otherwise it wouldn't be stable or supportable.
[07:47] <jdub> cg0def: our development branches are always changing.
[07:47] <cg0def> do you have to wait for the next release or it goes in world pretty fast
[07:47] <jdub> cg0def: it will go in the development branch immediately (we actually track gnome development branch)
[07:47] <cg0def> oh I see
[07:47] <brian__> can someone help me in recompilin kernel w/ a new wacom tablet driver in source??
[07:47] <jdub> cg0def: it will not go into a stable release (otherwise it wouldn't be stable, etc. etc.)
[07:47] <cg0def> jdub: the gnome traching is exactly what I like in ubuntu
[07:48] <cg0def> I use gnome all the time and gentoo has somewhat crappy support
[07:48] <cg0def> many outdated packages and other stuff like that
[07:48] <cg0def> even in the unstable branch
[07:48] <jdub> of course, in gentoo, debian and ubuntu, you can contribute.
[07:49] <cg0def> hum well that is only in theory in gentoo
[07:49] <cg0def> but that's another topic
[07:49] <froust> can anyone help me?
[07:49] <brian__> oh wait nvm *uses tutorial
[07:50] <setite> ok that was a failed attempt
[07:50] <jdub> brian__: there's a howto on the wiki
[07:50] <outsider1> what is the correct way for me to compile my own kernel for ubuntu? Must I package it?
[07:50] <jdub> outsider1: there's a howto in the wiki
[07:51] <outsider1> jdub: kewl, thanx
[07:52] <brian__> thats wut i was using when i said nvm :D
[07:52] <brian__> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[07:56] <froust> can anyone help me?
[07:57] <froust> i'm stuck at a grub> prompt
[07:57] <brian__> are you like a diff system?
[07:57] <brian__> mite wanna try making a grub boot disk
[07:58] <brian__> are you at* a diff system
[07:58] <froust> brain: i was editing my menu.list
[07:58] <froust> i'm in ubuntu
[07:58] <froust> and i rebooted
[07:58] <froust> and now i'm stuck at grub>>
[07:58] <goofykinky> hi again, where do i configure manually de audio?
[07:59] <brian__> boot ?  Soldat works under WINE ... the text is screwed up but still is verry fun game :)
[08:06] <yokomo_> and told it to run a virtual desktop
[08:06] <yokomo_> that wasn't cool
[08:06] <brian__> u got soldat working?!
[08:06] <IgnoranceIsBliss> how do i do that yokomo
[08:06] <brian__> winecfg doesnt actually save settings deso it?
[08:06] <poof> http://www.soldat.prv.pl/
[08:07] <brian__> haha i luv dat ga,e
[08:07] <poof> yea it will I have it windowed with antialius
[08:07] <IgnoranceIsBliss> no it doesnt
[08:07] <brian__> game*
[08:07] <froust> anybody?
[08:07] <yokomo_> IgnoranceIsBliss, run winecfg
[08:07] <poof> WOOT!
[08:07] <yokomo_> just type in winecfg
[08:07] <yokomo_> and check the checkbox
[08:07] <poof> this is cool, I am going to try running a server
[08:07] <yokomo_> but it almost crashed my system
[08:07] <brian__> haah
[08:07] <yokomo_> it was fun to watch... (not really)
[08:08] <IgnoranceIsBliss> it got al screwy
[08:08] <jdub> froust: /vmlinuz
[08:08] <IgnoranceIsBliss> what resolution
[08:08] <poof> 800X600
[08:08] <froust> wtf?!
[08:09] <froust> is that /vmlinuz from the root?
[08:09] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ok done
[08:09] <IgnoranceIsBliss> wheres the desktop
[08:09] <yokomo_> bah
[08:09] <yokomo_> this sucks
[08:09] <IgnoranceIsBliss> what
[08:09] <yokomo_> I am trying to install 123free solitaire on this machine with wine
[08:09] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i selected it
[08:09] <yokomo_> but it is crashing like a bitch
[08:10] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i can probably just run the solitair windows executable i have
[08:11] <poof> install soldat under wine is how I got it working... it is not good idea to run things on NTFS partition
[08:12] <IgnoranceIsBliss> where is my virtual desktop?
[08:12] <yokomo_> poof, got what working?
[08:12] <poof> http://www.soldat.prv.pl/
[08:12] <poof> Soldat
[08:12] <IgnoranceIsBliss> where does windows keep games
[08:12] <IgnoranceIsBliss> like solitair
[08:12] <poof> in windows system32 folder
[08:13] <poof> or windows system folder
[08:13] <poof> do search for sol.*
[08:13] <poof> that is solitare
[08:13] <IgnoranceIsBliss> wine sol.*
[08:13] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ?
[08:13] <poof> or rightclick on the shortcut on startmenu shortcut and get propertys
[08:14] <poof> then press find parent button
[08:14] <poof> are you in windows?
[08:14] <IgnoranceIsBliss> no
[08:14] <poof> Oh
[08:15] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i wouldnt have problems if i was in windows
[08:15] <poof> I am NOOB I think commandline for search is called :   find
[08:15] <poof> find --help I think, wait i try it
[08:15] <poof> yup find --help works
[08:16] <IgnoranceIsBliss> well at least wine can run solitaire
[08:17] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ok now... i want to run powerdvd
[08:17] <poof> Good luck
[08:18] <lifeless> .
[08:18] <poof> I think kb3 will let you burn DVD also
[08:19] <newsbunny> Hi folks, would this be the right forum for PowerPC / Ubuntu questions?
[08:20] <yokomo_> grrrr
[08:20] <yokomo_> this is frustrating
[08:21] <poof> define "this" <yokomo_> ?
[08:21] <poof> :)
[08:21] <IgnoranceIsBliss> wine
[08:21] <IgnoranceIsBliss> is evil
[08:21] <yokomo_> wine
[08:21] <poof> yea wine dont work most of the time
[08:21] <yokomo_> I am on the wine website and they say something about a .wine/config file
[08:21] <yokomo_> which is not on my machine
[08:21] <yokomo_> anywhere
[08:22] <maniak_> Hi, I am trying to install lm-sensors. I have found the FAQ but cannot find the mkdev.sh script in the lm-sensors source - I can't locate the lm-sensors source.....please help
[08:22] <froust> can anyone suggest a good partitioning scheme?
[08:22] <froust> i have 15 gb to work with
[08:23] <mebaran> Are you sure you set it show hidden folders, one with a "." in front?
[08:23] <IgnoranceIsBliss> 15gb to linux
[08:23] <IgnoranceIsBliss> and 0 for the rest
[08:23] <newsbunny> yokomo_ - it usually sits in your home dir (hidden) and is created after you run wine for the first time. You've done this?
[08:23] <froust> i mean /boot / /home
[08:23] <maniak_> Yes I have hidden folders shown - I just don't know where to look (which dir) to look in
[08:24] <IgnoranceIsBliss> screw this
[08:24] <yokomo_> when you say ran for the first time... what do you mean?
[08:24] <yokomo_> I installed it using apt-get
[08:24] <IgnoranceIsBliss> is there a Point2Play CVS?
[08:24] <yokomo_> I typed in winecfg
[08:24] <yokomo_> and nothing has happened
[08:24] <IgnoranceIsBliss> really?
[08:24] <yokomo_> I tried installing a exe file
[08:25] <yokomo_> and it crashed
[08:25] <IgnoranceIsBliss> when i typed it i got a little iwndows like program
[08:25] <IgnoranceIsBliss> yea mine froze
[08:25] <newsbunny> yokomo_ - yeah, then just run wine with no parameters from the console (NOT root). It will run through a script that sets up wine and a fake_windows directory
[08:26] <yokomo_> newsbunny, ummmmm.... did that... using just "wine"
[08:26] <newsbunny> after that, you can launch some Windoze exe's with "wine foo.exe"
[08:26] <yokomo_> I get wine 20050111
[08:26] <yokomo_> Usage: wine PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS]
[08:26] <yokomo_> wine --help
[08:26] <yokomo_> wine --version
[08:27] <newsbunny> seems to be set up correctly then...
[08:27] <IgnoranceIsBliss> screw all this.. ill have my a64 rig working sometime tomorrow... and ill buy cedega then
[08:27] <yokomo_> it won't let me play this game and there is no .wine/config file
[08:27] <IgnoranceIsBliss> cedega is based off wine so it can do this too right
[08:28] <newsbunny> in your home dir, can you see a .wine dir if you do 'ls -l' in it?
[08:28] <yokomo_> yes
[08:28] <yokomo_> I have dosdevices
[08:28] <yokomo_> drive_c
[08:28] <yokomo_> system.reg
[08:28] <yokomo_> userdef.reg
[08:28] <yokomo_> user.reg
[08:28] <yokomo_> but no config
[08:28] <yokomo_> or conf
[08:29] <newsbunny> but no hmmm...
[08:29] <newsbunny> odd.
[08:29] <yokomo_> yes
[08:29] <yokomo_> tell me about it
[08:29] <newsbunny> shall I send you mine?
[08:29] <yokomo_> ?
[08:29] <yokomo_> sure
[08:29] <yokomo_> that would be super
[08:29] <newsbunny> perhaps you can tweak it
[08:30] <newsbunny> dunno if it will go through firewall...
[08:31] <newsbunny> can you see the DCC file offer?
[08:31] <yokomo_> eyah
[08:31] <yokomo_> I accepted
[08:31] <yokomo_> but nothing
[08:31] <yokomo_> would you mind emailing it to me as an attachment?
[08:31] <yokomo_> would that be alright?
[08:31] <newsbunny> np
[08:31] <newsbunny> addr?
[08:31] <yokomo_> yokomo at gmail dot com
[08:32] <newsbunny> done
[08:33] <yokomo_> thanks
[08:33] <newsbunny> sure
[08:33] <llamabutcher> i have been googling and cant seem to find the correct command to mount thi ntfs partition i have on my 250 gig drive... its 200 gigs and has all my movies and music from when i had xp
[08:33] <newsbunny> Anyone here know much about USB keyboard and installation on a G3 iMac?
[08:33] <llamabutcher> it is the slave on my primary channel
[08:33] <llamabutcher> what command do i use?
[08:34] <deadshell> llamabutcher, hi
[08:34] <deadshell> external drive?
[08:35] <yokomo_> what country is za?
[08:35] <poof> new zeland
[08:35] <yokomo_> I thought that was nz
[08:36] <poof> 0o
[08:36] <jdub> za == south africa
[08:36] <d3vic3> good ol SA
[08:36] <poof> Zinbawe?
[08:36] <d3vic3> no South Africa
[08:36] <jdub> zimbabwe is zw, isn't it d3vic3?
[08:37] <d3vic3> not sure
[08:37] <poof> http://www.gov.za/
[08:37] <poof> here is what firefox shows as default
[08:37] <d3vic3> www.southafrica.com
[08:39] <deadshell> llamabutcher, you still here
[08:40] <llamabutcher> yes
[08:40] <deadshell> is the drive a usb or is it in the computer
[08:41] <HostingGeek> 0_o BeTa
[08:41] <maniak_> Hey, has anyone else installed lm-sensors successfully??
[08:41] <HostingGeek> yes
[08:41] <HostingGeek> maniak_: about 99% of people here have them working
[08:41] <deadshell> llamabutcher, is the drive a usb or is it in the computer
[08:41] <HostingGeek> they may or may not know it
[08:42] <maniak_> HostingGeek - where do you put and run the mkdev.sh script?
[08:42] <HostingGeek> maniak_: i am one of 1% i need to update my bois for it to work
[08:43] <maniak_> oh - that is all I need - I can work the rest out from the FAQ on the forums.....
[08:43] <llamabutcher> its in the computer
[08:43] <llamabutcher> well not yet, i have to hook it up, but then it will be like hdc
[08:45] <deadshell> llamabutcher, it should look something like
[08:45] <deadshell> mount /dev/hdc
[08:46] <sid77> hi
[08:47] <llamabutcher> yeah
[08:47] <HostingGeek> maniak_: by any chance using a asus motherbaord
[08:47] <llamabutcher> but there is this whole command
[08:47] <llamabutcher> like mount -t vfat blah blah blah
[08:48] <deadshell> yeah that look more like it llamabutcher
[08:49] <brian__> hey when i install a custom kernel will i have to reconfiguire my bootloader?
[08:49] <chibifs> brian__ - Did you build it debian style, or classic style?
[08:50] <brian__> i havent built it yet, i will build it with the original ubuntu way
[08:50] <brian__> w/ ubuntu sources, and with kpkg
[08:50] <deadshell> llamabutcher, look here http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-4730-12.html
[08:50] <chibifs> If it's a debian package, it will auto-add itself to grub.
[08:51] <brian__> no i boot off floppy
[08:51] <brian__> will it still add itsself? lol
[08:51] <chibifs> Then of course you will :P
[08:51] <chibifs> Why ya booting off a floppy, you nut? :o
[08:52] <newsbunny> later
[08:52] <brian__> its easier, plus my family wont have to boot and find linux i can just take out da floppy
[08:52] <chibifs> Ah.
[08:53] <brian__> or if a friend comes over to play a game i wont have to explain why i got this wierd thing at the begining of my boot
[08:53] <chibifs> Heh, now that's just silly. You can tell him "Because I'm better than you" :P
[08:53] <nevyn> is ubuntu 2.6 or 2.4 by default?
[08:53] <nevyn> on amd64?
[08:53] <chibifs> 2.6
[08:54] <nevyn> sweet.
[08:54] <brian__> 2.6 by def
[08:54] <brian__> so wut do i do
[08:54] <brian__> haha "sweet."
[08:54] <nevyn> anyone got bad things to say about the A8V-E asus board?
[08:54] <nevyn> and ubuntu?
[08:55] <rob0> uh, brian__, you have to make a new boot floppy.
[08:55] <nevyn> nvidias nforce "known issues" was disturbing. so I couldn't reccomend it.
[08:55] <nevyn> "some systems don't boot with acpi on"
[08:56] <chibifs> Nevyn, it should be fine unless you have A- Two video cards or B- Two sound cards.
[08:56] <brian__> oh ic when i make new kernel it automatically adds itself in this /boot/grub area and i make a floppy off dere
[08:56] <nevyn> chibifs: anything better?
[08:56] <brian__> oh dam i just realised im the only one not typing formally
[08:56] <nevyn> chibifs: a reccomended current board for amd64?
[08:57] <chibifs> ACPI causes your pci cards to share ports. But it usually doesn't cause problems unless you're using picky hardware.
[08:57] <nevyn> chibifs: this was the errata in nvidias drivers for NFORCE3 so I killed it.
[08:58] <nevyn> chibifs: as in recommended against it.
[08:58] <chibifs> You don
[08:58] <chibifs> don't /need/ it on.
[08:58] <chibifs> ^_^
[08:58] <brian__> ok im  gunna take a stab at a specific q see if anyone knows, is there a way to install a module/driver without having to compile the whole kernel?
[08:59] <chibifs> Nevyn - Can't rec one myself, but if you find a Micro ATX amd64 board with onboard card reader ports, let me know.
[08:59] <chibifs> I'm looking to build myself a tiny monster ^.~
[09:00] <rob0> how nuch does Ubuntu patch the vanilla kernel? Anyone know?
[09:01] <^majik> Hey guys.  I'm running BeatrIX on my laptop.  (It's based off of Ubuntu.)  And well, using Synaptic (with ubuntu's source list, more or less), I'm trying to get gcc going.  So far I've installed the 'gcc' package and now I have gcc.. but, I don't have the headers (such as stdio.h).  Which package or packages do I need?  Thanks.
[09:01] <jdub> a fair amount
[09:01] <rob0> brian__, depends on what module and if it needs changes in the kernel
[09:01] <jdub> ^majik: install build-essential
[09:01] <brian__> i need to put in a module for a wacom tablet
[09:02] <^majik> jdub: ok
[09:02] <rob0> obviously, if so, you won't need to do anything other than make modules and modules_install
[09:03] <brian__> the guy in the wiki nvr provided a link
[09:05] <^majik> jdub: That looks like that's for Debian packages and such?  I really only wanted gcc to build custom projects in C (or C++, maybe).
[09:05] <rob0> jdub, is there a wiki page on the patches, or do I need to go into how the .deb was built? Specifically I'm curious about what patches Ubuntu uses that Debian doesn't.
[09:07] <jdub> ^majik: you'll need most of what b-e depends on anyway
[09:07] <jdub> rob0: easiest to grab the source
[09:08] <rob0> ok thx
[09:09] <froust> does anyone know if it's possible to migrate from 32 bit to 64 bit?
[09:09] <^majik> jdub: well ok
[09:09] <jdub> froust: in what context? amd64?
[09:10] <jdub> froust: you can run both on amd64 (in fact, OOo is 32bit in warty and hoary)
[09:10] <jdub> froust: to 'migrate', install the amd64 version
[09:10] <froust> jdub: i mean if i installed the 32 bit version
[09:10] <jdub> (helps if you have a separate /home)
[09:10] <froust> could i upgrade it later
[09:10] <jdub> no
[09:10] <jdub> you can't cross-grade
[09:14] <iMeXdiAC> hi i've got some trouble getting my firewire/ilink connection to a harddrive to work .. well i can mount them view the files and copy them to the harddrive .. but writing to the fwdrive is extremely slow (ext3) and aborts .. what i get is quite a lot of "SBP2_SCSI_STATUS_BUSY" then "aborting sbp2 command" dmesg output .. im on a ppc (ibook) .. updated the kernel hotplug udev but to no avail
[09:15] <^majik> jdub: cool, thanks :-)
[09:16] <yokomo_> this is fucking ridiculous
[09:16] <yokomo_> I hate wine
[09:16] <yokomo_> is there another emulator?
[09:17] <yokomo_> it sucks donkey balls
[09:18] <iMeXdiAC> hmm yokomo in what respect .. speed or compatibility or getting it running ..
[09:19] <vincent> Hi, could anyone using a Geforce2 video card or on-board video, send me their /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file ? Pleaaase :o(
[09:20] <mathew> Can some help me to get sound working. I get the error "No volume control elements and/or devices found"
[09:21] <yokomo_> iMeXdiAC, getting it running
[09:21] <yokomo_> I have apt-get installed, removed
[09:21] <yokomo_> remove --purged
[09:21] <yokomo_> it sucks
[09:21] <yokomo_> it just won't work
[09:21] <yokomo_> it doesn't run anything to config itself
[09:21] <yokomo_> I cannot seem to config it
[09:22] <yokomo_> tried apt-get --source even... too many dependency errors to compile
[09:22] <yokomo_> so I went with the apt-get install again
[09:22] <yokomo_> it's a POS from what i can tell (I don't have much patience)
[09:24] <yokomo_> this is too rough
[09:24] <yokomo_> I am going back to windows
[09:24] <rob0> patience is important :)
[09:24] <yokomo_> too much of a hassle
[09:25] <yokomo_> since I installed ubuntu I have had to reinstall 3 times now... just too much to learn.  I am much more comfortable with windows
[09:25] <iMeXdiAC> yokomo_ .. unf cant help in that respect .. though did you read the man/info page that came with it ..
[09:26] <yokomo_> yes
[09:26] <yokomo_> I did
[09:26] <iMeXdiAC> hmm
[09:26] <yokomo_> it said to use their repository
[09:26] <yokomo_> which I did
[09:26] <deadshell> mathew did you try alsaconf if you are using alsa?
[09:26] <yokomo_> and nothing
[09:26] <rob0> well it (GNU/Linux) is worth the effort when you're ready to try again.
[09:26] <yokomo_> no it's not
[09:27] <yokomo_> it's a joke
[09:27] <rob0> bye
[09:28] <rob0> at least we can have the last laugh with this "joke" :)
[09:28] <deadshell> :P
[09:28] <iMeXdiAC> ..
[09:28] <mathew> deadshell i am a bit of a newbie at this. Is alsaconf a command line tool.
[09:29] <deadshell> mathew yes it sounds like you don't have sound setup yet
[09:29] <rob0> mathew, I don't have alsaconf in Ubuntu, but it's what the alsa-project provides, and has always worked well for me in Slackware.
[09:30] <rob0> and yes, in Slackware it's /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[09:30] <deadshell> in a terminal/console you can: apt-get install alsa
[09:30] <mathew> How do I tell if I am using Alsa
[09:31] <deadshell> and see if it says you already have the latest version
[09:31] <deadshell> it might be using oss
[09:32] <rob0> isn't ALSA the default for Ubuntu (and just about all other recent Linuces?)
[09:32] <jdub> ubuntu uses the alsa drivers, and the oss emulation layer
[09:32] <rob0> it would only be using OSS if specifically selected
[09:32] <jdub> all the apps default to esd or oss
[09:33] <jdub> (and esd uses oss)
[09:33] <deadshell> usually rob0 im using mepis now so i couldn't check for him
[09:33] <mathew> ist said alsa-base is the latest
[09:33] <deadshell> ok then as root mathew type alsaconf
[09:33] <deadshell> it will setup your card
[09:34] <rob0> mathew, what kind of card?
[09:35] <mathew> command is not found. Not sure what card. It was a spare machine and not sure how to check withpout opening it up
[09:35] <rob0> PCI or ISA? If you don't know that, open it up. :)
[09:36] <mathew> PCI
[09:36] <rob0> deadshell said alsaconf is in the "alsa" package
[09:36] <rob0> lspci lists PCI devices, post the line for the sound card
[09:37] <wu_ming> how do i upgrade software like gaim?
[09:37] <iMeXdiAC> anyone with firewire experience ..
[09:37] <wu_ming> not me
[09:37] <deadshell> mathew, did you do the command as root?
[09:37] <wu_ming> whats firewire
[09:38] <iMeXdiAC> wu_ming .. same as ieee1394 or ilink
[09:38] <mathew> deadshell yes
[09:38] <deadshell> iMeXdiAC, i tried to get my external burner to work with firewire to no avail
[09:39] <deadshell> wu_ming,  apt-get install gaim will get the latest version available in their repos
[09:39] <mathew> can not see the card using lspci. Maybe it is dead on the old machine asa I have not had this trouble before. Think I need to open it up.
[09:39] <wu_ming> deadshell: but thats old
[09:40] <wu_ming> outdated
[09:40] <deadshell> mathew, try lspci -v
[09:40] <rob0> mathew, the whole "lspci -v" on pastebin.com and I will look
[09:40] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. deadshell .. was the problem with "aborting sbp2 command" .. i once had my fwdrive working on a 2.4 kernel ..
[09:40] <deadshell> wu_ming, is there a rpm of the latest?
[09:40] <rob0>  ( is there another paste site for this channel? )
[09:41] <deadshell> iMeXdiAC, never got it to see it(firewire drive)
[09:41] <wu_ming> yeah
[09:41] <wu_ming> but like what do i do with the rpm?
[09:42] <deadshell> wu_ming, download it and change it to a .deb file using alien i'll show you how
[09:42] <wu_ming> ok
[09:42] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. thx anyway ..
[09:43] <deadshell> rob0, try #flood
[09:43] <deadshell> iMeXdiAC, id like to get it to work i'll google more when i have time
[09:43] <mathew> rob0 pasted
[09:44] <Qo-noS> ah deadshell
[09:44] <rob0> as root: "cd /bin ; rm rpm ; ln -s rm rpm" (yes that's a joke, sotra)
[09:44] <rob0> sorta
[09:44] <deadshell> yes Qo-noS
[09:45] <deadshell> i'm everywhere
[09:45] <Qo-noS> you are indeed ;)
[09:45] <deadshell> got it wu_ming
[09:45] <rob0> mathew, I've got 2 of those mobo's myself :)
[09:46] <wu_ming> i got a src.rpm
[09:46] <rob0> maybe it's not seated properly. But one of my 440BX's (oops I guess that's not what yours is) has an onboard ISA card.
[09:47] <wu_ming> how do i turn that into a rpm
[09:47] <deadshell> i'm not sure you want the source though
[09:47] <deadshell> wu_ming, ^^
[09:47] <rob0> wu_ming, why not use synaptic and upgrade?
[09:47] <wu_ming> the latest version is too old
[09:49] <mathew> rob0 I will open up and check
[09:49] <deadshell> wu_ming, look here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235&package_id=253&release_id=292861
[09:49] <wu_ming> thanks
[09:50] <wu_ming> already downloaded the gaim.src.rpm one
[09:50] <deadshell> is 1.1.1.hthe latest?
[09:50] <wu_ming> and aliened it
[09:50] <wu_ming> yeah
[09:50] <deadshell> ok cause they have i386 i586 one there
[09:51] <wu_ming> i think it is the latest
[09:51] <deadshell> well to install the .deb file just do
[09:51] <deadshell> dpkg -i nameof.deb
[09:53] <wu_ming> yeah it worked...thanks heaps!!
[09:53] <deadshell> np wu
[09:53] <mathew> rob0 opps is ISA
[09:53] <rob0> aha
[09:53] <Qo-noS> deadshell: he used alien to convert that rpm into a deb and got it to work? lucky him ;)
[09:54] <deadshell> Qo-noS, it works quite well sometimes
[09:54] <rob0> alsaconf has worked for some ISA cards for me, including the onboard one with the 440BX.
[09:54] <iMeXdiAC> hmm if i want to mount a hfsplus partion hotplug must have some check or another tool that only lets to mount me it read-only :( .. with the msg HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  mounting read-only...
[09:54] <deadshell> g'night all
[09:55] <Qo-noS> deadshell: sometimes...but best practice still may be to package it oneself or just install from source
[09:55] <Qo-noS> ta
[09:55] <deadshell> yeah it is .....cya
[09:56] <iMeXdiAC> ..
[09:56] <iMeXdiAC> gn deadshell ..
[09:56] <mathew> rob0 can not seem to get the command aslaconf
[09:56] <Qo-noS> ta deadshell
[09:57] <mathew> should say alsaconf
[09:58] <iMeXdiAC> mathew .. alsaconf is a metapackage .. to be installed via apt i guess
[09:59] <scaroo> hi ppl ! are the repositories down ? i ve got 403 errors while upgrading my beloved system since yesterday.
[10:00] <mathew> rob0 found alsa-utils apt-getting now
[10:01] <rob0> I don't know where it is, IF it is, in Ubuntu. I've only used it in Slackware. But you can get it (it's a shell script) in the source from alsa-project.org. ... NB, I do have alsa-utils, but it doesn't seem to have alsaconf.
[10:01] <bigtony> question: where is the apache2-default set with the ubuntu distro? i can't figure out how to remove this default page
[10:01] <mathew> rob0 yes no alsaconf
[10:07] <stere0> if just get my ubuntu package ;o)
[10:07] <stere0> s/if/i
[10:08] <stere0> does anybody know, how many they are sending around the world?
[10:09] <ozzian> hi all!
[10:09] <ozzian> I'
[10:10] <ozzian> I'm having serious problems installing ubuntu...
[10:10] <ozzian> tried 3 different cd images all give the same error
[10:10] <mathew> thank for the halp. I think I will turn off and pull it out for a check. My also have another card around.
[10:11] <ozzian> says the file /cdrom/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz isn't readable
[10:12] <ozzian> same goes for warty, although I didn't try the latest warty ISO
[10:13] <rob0> sounds like maybe a bad burn, did you check md5sums?
[10:14] <ozzian> rob0, yup, and I can read the file from my gentoo installation or even windows
[10:15] <ozzian> the info above was from the log console
[10:15] <rob0> media error? Did you put in the cd and check the device's md5sum against the downloaded ISO? (I think that works, been a long time since I tried)
[10:16] <ozzian> rob0, will try
[10:18] <bigtony> sorry to repeat but how in the heck do you change the test page for apache thing ? i have put index.php in the dir and all i cna't figure it out
[10:18] <i386> hmm
[10:21] <budyong> what this mean ? "VFS cannot find ext3 on dev/hda1" i'm using ReiserFS on dev/hda1
[10:23] <ozzian> rob0, md5sum /dev/cdrom | grep 4f878f25803a3631207343295049f3cf
[10:23] <ozzian> rob0, that succeeds
[10:23] <rob0> bigtony, I've not done much with apache so I can't say specifically, but your answer is in your httpd.conf and/or Includes.
[10:24] <bigtony> apache2 doesn't use the httpd.conf from what i understand
[10:24] <rob0> ozzian, I'm at a loss, sorry.
[10:24] <bigtony> i thin its the sites-enabled but i'm not sure how to change it
[10:24] <ozzian> rob0, np, I'll have try again in a few weeks or so...
[10:24] <rob0> Apache 1 has links from the default page to the documentation, I don't use 2.
[10:24] <bigtony> and apache told me to come here cause its a ubuntu issue
[10:24] <rob0> hmmmm
[10:25] <bigtony> the apache2-default is located in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default or a broken configuration shipped by Ubuntu Linux
[10:25] <bigtony> thats what was said thats why i'm here :(
[10:26] <bigtony> i mean my site works but the onlyw ay iknow how to solve the issuee is to drop a index.html in there and have it redirect to the php but there has to be another way
[10:26] <rob0> maybe apachectl (or its man page) will point you in the right direction
[10:27] <ozzian> bigtony, have you checked your config files to verify index.php is in your directory index list?
[10:27] <rob0> apachectl has a checkconf (?) function
[10:27] <bigtony> yeah
[10:27] <bigtony> I checked the DirectoryIndex
[10:27] <ozzian> bigtony, disclaimer: I'm not running ubuntu, just thought it might be general...
[10:28] <bigtony> its all good
[10:28] <bigtony> do you have to put them in order?
[10:28] <bigtony> like index.php index.html
[10:28] <ozzian> bigtony, yes
[10:28] <bigtony> instead of index.html index.php?
[10:28] <bigtony> hmm let me try that
[10:29] <rob0> did the Ubuntu wiki have a php-apache howto?
[10:29] <ozzian> bigtony, it tries the first one first then the next and son on
[10:29] <ozzian> bigtony, so*
[10:29] <rob0> could be browser cache too :)
[10:29] <bigtony> ok
[10:30] <bigtony> i'm gonna put only the phop in there and see
[10:30] <rob0> don't forget apachectl restart
[10:31] <bigtony> aww i thnk i see what i tis
[10:31] <bigtony> if you go to sites-enabled there is a default in there
[10:31] <bigtony> and it has RedirectMatch in there
[10:31] <bigtony> brb gonnna test that theory
[10:33] <bigtony> thats it works like a charm now
[10:34] <ozzian> grats :)
[10:46] <esher> how can i default disload pciehp and shpchp ... they messed up during bootprocess
[10:47] <cu> hello, I've got a question - where do I get those Ubuntu wallpapers with people on them? I've been able to find only the official one under /usr/share/gdm/themes, but I've seen there are others too
[10:51] <cu> anyone?
[10:52] <cu> ow, this seems to be ubuntu-calendar
[10:52] <cu> yay
[10:57] <jdub> cu: yeah, ubuntu-calendar (and see the other ubuntu-calendar-* packages for previous months)
[10:58] <i386> jdub, Interesting to see how ubuntu runs on the Macmini
[10:59] <esher> where can i put modules to force loading into ubuntu ?
[11:04] <topyli> esher: /etc/modules i guess
[11:05] <esher> yo, but there are not these modules listed, that ubuntu fails to load @ boot
[11:06] <topyli> yeah. i get errors from them too. dunno why they're there
[11:07] <topyli> esher: discover or something maybe loading them
[11:07] <jadawin> 2
[11:07] <jadawin> oops.
[11:07] <jadawin> sorry
[11:07] <esher> i only will say to ubuntu: DONT load modules a b c d :)
[11:08] <esher> i think there was an textfile or so, but who ?
[11:08] <topyli> esher: it's not discover. i don't have it installed :)
[11:09] <esher> hehe
[11:10] <peglax> Why do manually-added items on the Applications/Other menu disappear when upgrading gnome-panel? And how do I bring them back? The files still are in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/applications
[11:12] <mumu> ..
[11:12] <mumu> Hi
[11:12] <mumu> i need a support
[11:12] <mumu> language support on ubuntu warty
[11:13] <mumu> -   -
[11:19] <esher> where can i put modules to force loading into ubuntu ?
[11:21] <dwa_> if you put them in /etc/modules they will be loaded when you start your machine
[11:21] <esher> in etc/modules these modules are not listed
[11:22] <esher> find it :)
[11:22] <esher> ./etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:23] <dwa_> if you want a module to auto-load you can put it in /etc/modules
[11:24] <dwa_> can you please specify your problem?
[11:25] <esher> i have found an answer, thanx
[11:25] <esher> i only want say to ubuntu witch modules NOT be loaded
[11:26] <dwa_> oooo ok :)
[11:28] <topyli> esher: hooray!
[11:33] <topyli> what's a good gnome notekeeping app. i currently use 'note' in a terminal. which is good bot non-gnome
[11:33] <trey3> topyli: there is a gdesklet that seems popular... also an applet...
[11:33] <jdub> topyli: how about tomboy?
[11:33] <trey3> you don't like either?
[11:33] <jdub> topyli: it's the ultimate sticky wiki :)
[11:34] <trey3> oo... tomboy looks nice also  :)
[11:34] <topyli> jdub: last i looked it was marking all my finnish words as typos, couldn't turn it off :(
[11:35] <topyli> no gdesklets please :)
[11:36] <trey3> topyli: hah... not a huge fan?
[11:36] <topyli> trey3: gdesklets heat up my cpu too much :)
[11:36] <trey3> I like them... but rarely keep them around...
[11:36] <jintonic> when i originally installed ubuntu the sound was working but somehow it stopped working, my botherboard has a Realtek ALC650 audio chipset on it, what should i do?
[11:37] <trey3> topyli: ahh... that sucks  :(
[11:37] <topyli> trey3: yeah, i don't know why they are so hungry
[11:38] <trey3> jintonic: try running 'alsaconfig' again... maybe configuration got muggled...
[11:38] <jintonic> command not found
[11:39] <trey3> jintonic: grr... install it   :)
[11:39] <topyli> jdub: i'll look at the latest tomboy. if the spell checking can be turned off now, it's perfect
[11:40] <jintonic> install alsaconfig? apt-get didn't work
[11:40] <jintonic> alsa-base is already the newest version
[11:40] <jintonic> that's what apt-get tells me when i just tried to install it
[11:41] <trey3> jintonic: grrr... hold on
[11:44] <topyli> heh. i don't seem to have mono installed, so my tomboy installation seems to be a huge download :)
[11:46] <topyli> hmm. tomboy crashed. not very nice
[11:47] <trey3> jintonic: ahh... this came up a few days ago... I think crimsun was helping you with it?  bah.. modprobe snd-intel8x0 and put that in /etc/modules
[11:47] <jintonic> no
[11:47] <trey3> jintonic: what you mean 'no'?
[11:47] <jintonic> never came in here with an audio problem, only x problems
[11:47] <trey3> damn server split  :/
[11:48] <trey3> jintonic: anyways... yeah... if its not loaded, I'm not sure how to fix without alsaconf  :/
[11:48] <trey3> why they would remove it, I have no idea   :/
[11:49] <jintonic> modprobe snd-intel8x0 <-- after running that it should work, right?
[11:49] <trey3> jintonic: should... yes
[11:50] <jintonic> its not working
[11:50] <jintonic> i have the speaker icon on the top right, when i open up volume controls it shows OSS mixer and alsa mixer tabs
[11:51] <d3vic3> what is hoary's version number, anyone ?
[11:51] <trey3> d3vic3: it will be 5.04 ...
[11:52] <d3vic3> 4.10 -> 5.04 ?
[11:52] <trey3> d3vic3: yes... October of 2004 was last release... next is April of 2005
[11:52] <jintonic> and the hardware is shown in lspci... hm... that's weird
[11:53] <trey3> jintonic: you know it sees it... it _was_ working (as you said)
[11:53] <jintonic> yeah
[11:53] <jintonic> but i was thinking maybe i disabled it via bios, but apparently not
[11:53] <d3vic3> ok ty
[11:54] <jintonic> well, should a kernel module be running for it?
[11:55] <trey3> jintonic: thats what snd-intel0x8 was... was what google said for driver  :/
[11:55] <battletux> hi all
[11:55] <jintonic> hmm.. lsmod shows it loaded along with some other snd_*
[11:56] <trey3> jintonic: ok... thats good... cept you said its still not working...  :/
[11:56] <trey3> battletux: hey...
[11:56] <jintonic> yeah
[11:58] <HostingGeek> chttp://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/13/0319247&tid=100&tid=99 comment #3 is mine
[11:58] <HostingGeek> ooops wrong tab
[11:58] <battletux> anyone have any luck getting ati drivers to work in warty?
[11:59] <trey3> jintonic: just for kicks... turn up PCM in Volume Control...
[11:59] <jintonic> i checked all the stuff like that first
[11:59] <jintonic> including the connection, power to the speakers, etc..
[12:08] <jintonic> how about a package reconfigure on the driver?
[12:11] <linux_mafia> what does the "dfsg" mean/stand for, in the latest version of firefox for hoary?
[12:11] <jintonic> hmm
[12:11] <linux_mafia> in the package name that is
[12:11] <jintonic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10520 <-- same problem maybe... 2.6.10 is in testing still isn't it?
[12:12] <trey3> linux_mafia: Debian Free Software Guideline ... means something with a strange license was removed..
[12:12] <trey3> (in this case icons afaik)
[12:13] <linux_mafia> trey3, cheers, just saw in google anyway, should of looked their first (feeling lazy tonight) ;)
[12:13] <linux_mafia> there even
[12:13] <jintonic> i did upgrade the kernel... could be that the one i got broke ac97 support :-/
[12:13] <jintonic> doesn't sound too likely tho
[12:14] <trey3> jintonic: unlikely... would have came up more via google (many people would have asked about it etc recently)
[12:15] <jintonic> hmm.. i guess i'll try a backup kernel just for the hell of it... see ya
[12:15] <linux_mafia> so, anyone planning to buy a mac mini? to run ubuntu ppc of course ;)
[12:15] <trey3> linux_mafia: wtf is a mac mini?  :o
[12:16] <trey3> linux_mafia: the headless mac everyones been talking about?
[12:16] <linux_mafia> trey3, yeah
[12:16] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:16] <tuxJr_14> talking about mini mac?
[12:16] <linux_mafia> trey3, 6" wide, 6" deep, 2" high
[12:17] <trey3> linux_mafia: would if I could use my current monitor with it...
[12:18] <linux_mafia> trey3, why could you not?
[12:18] <jdub> it comes with a dvi-to-vga adapter
[12:18] <trey3> jdub: hmm... take that back then  :)
[12:19] <trey3> Might have to save up  8)
[12:21] <linux_mafia> i'd love one, but at $500 USD i bet it will be close to 8 or 900 NZD, still to dear for me, :(
[12:21] <jdub> AUD$799 for the base model
[12:23] <trey3> That or an Opteron... have to make that decision when I have the money  8)
[12:24] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh... just about to get my Assosiates... should really be looking harder  :)
[12:24] <linux_mafia> trey3, associates? whats that?
[12:25] <trey3> Still not decided whether I can afford another ~30 grand for Bachelors though...
[12:25] <trey3> linux_mafia: ahh... lowest level college degree  :)
[12:26] <trey3> assosiates > bachelors > masters > doctorate  :)
[12:26] <linux_mafia> trey3, does college == university?
[12:26] <trey3> linux_mafia: yes...
[12:27] <linux_mafia> trey3, ok, thought so, in new zealand college is for 13 to 17 year olds
[12:27] <trey3> linux_mafia: hah
[12:27] <trey3> linux_mafia: everywhere seems to call these things something different...
[12:28] <trey3> linux_mafia: college there is high school here... and secondary school in england  :)
[12:29] <linux_mafia> trey3, sh*t, base mac mini is $950 NZD, fsck that
[12:30] <trey3> linux_mafia: hah  :)
[12:30] <trey3> grr... whoever heard of an office suite that didn't have a spreadsheet app  :/
[12:31] <coulix> hi evryone i m under ubuntu my friend use windows and has a webcam, i dont have webcame but i would like to see him any idea?
[12:32] <pisuke> coulix, use gnomemeeting, you will be able to see him. but he won't see you :)
[12:32] <trey3> coulix: gnomemeeting... gaim-vv supposedly will let you via MSN and Yahoo etc.. but never actually tried it...
[12:32] <pisuke> some can't wait
[12:33] <trey3> pisuke: hah... for serious  :)
[12:33] <linux_mafia> trey3, ive been a chef since i was 18, (now 30) I just completed an IT diploma (2 yrs full time study), so I'm trying to get my first IT job, basically ive come to the realisation im probably going to have to start in  a helldesk job, not an exciting prospect
[12:33] <coulix> what should he used?
[12:34] <pisuke> netmeeting
[12:34] <pisuke> win netmeeting linux gnomemeeting
[12:34] <trey3> linux_mafia: yeah... most here is either hardware related (*shudder*) or helpdesk entry level... sucks
[12:34] <coulix> and i input an adress to call with gnomemeeting how do i get this adress
[12:35] <pisuke> you just need his ip
[12:35] <coulix> ok
[12:35] <pisuke> anyone can start
[12:35] <pisuke> you or hin
[12:35] <pisuke> you or him
[12:35] <coulix> he told me netmeeting does exist anymore its messenger now is it true?
[12:36] <linux_mafia> trey3, ive tried my hardest to get an OSS/*nix job, but most shops doing it are just to small to take on trainees, maybe i should go to australia, heh
[12:36] <pisuke> google a bit and you'll find netmeeting
[12:36] <coulix> ok
[12:36] <pisuke> msn uses another protocol
[12:36] <pisuke> for voip
[12:36] <coulix> ok
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> linux_mafia: take as much as you can get of random stuff here and there
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> get to know people
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> contacts++
[12:38] <linux_mafia> HrdwrBoB, yeah well ive doing some little OSS jobs for myself, through friends, family, work related people, but not enough to earn a living, good for the cv
[12:38] <coulix> my cute ubuntu http://img153.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img153&image=screen7cn.png
[12:38] <linux_mafia> though
[12:40] <trey3> coulix: cool  :)
[12:40] <trey3> coulix: there is a thread @ ubuntuforums.org if you want to show it off though  ;)
[12:40] <pisuke> trey3, don't you thing we have enough with skype
[12:41] <pisuke> let's try to use h232 and sip
[12:41] <trey3> pisuke: skype is non-free last I checked? gaim-vv does incoming yahoo, and msn ...
[12:41] <coulix> yeah i have to post it there
[12:42] <pisuke> trey3, over nonfree protocols?
[12:42] <pisuke> last time I checked
[12:42] <coulix> itdoes msn without any pb
[12:42] <trey3> pisuke: non-free client... non-free code for protocol... not going on my system...
[12:44] <trey3> pisuke: all code within gaim/gaim-vv is utterly free...
[12:45] <pisuke> reverse engineered
[12:45] <trey3> pisuke: yes.
[12:45] <pisuke> wait till ms breaks it
[12:46] <pisuke> let's use sip
[12:46] <pisuke> please
[12:46] <trey3> pisuke: they'll just reverse engineer it again  :/
[12:46] <trey3> pisuke: AIM used to try to break compatibility regularly... fixed within days usually...
[12:46] <pisuke> not what I want
[12:47] <pisuke> but let's keep on topic
[12:47] <trey3> pisuke: its all well and good saying "lets use sip" or "lets use h232"... but you try telling non-tech savey people to install clients for it... and explain use...
[12:47] <trey3> especially when MSN and Yahoo already do it, and they know how that way...
[12:47] <t31> hi, someone knows the files in need to install mplayer please?
[12:48] <trey3> t31: you need 'w32codecs' and 'mplayer-386' at least...
[12:48] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:49] <trey3> t31: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:49] <trey3> PotajiTo: wenas to you too!!  :P
[12:49] <PotajiTo> hi xD
[12:49] <trey3> PotajiTo: whats up  :)
[12:52] <War_craftsteel> hi
[12:52] <trey3> War_craftsteel: hey
[12:52] <War_craftsteel> I have installed a new motherboard and now my x-server is not running anymore
[12:53] <War_craftsteel> can anybody help me
[12:53] <trey3> War_craftsteel: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', change driver  :)
[12:53] <trey3> War_craftsteel: if it doesn't ask, dpkg-reconfigure debconf and change to 'low'  ;)
[12:54] <trey3> War_craftsteel: but try restarting X first, because it should try to reprobe monitor even if it doesn't ask  :)
[12:54] <trey3> War_craftsteel: what kind of video card do you have now?
[12:55] <War_craftsteel> I have an older hercules Kyro, powervr 4500
[12:55] <trey3> Never heard of it... which is a good thing more than likely  :)
[12:55] <linux_mafia> damn, trying to show updates from the update-notifier notification applet, just crashed gnome
[12:56] <daniels> mjg59:
[12:56] <trey3> linux_mafia: 'apt-watch'?
[12:56] <daniels>    * Pull i8xx/i915 driver back from HEAD, as it contains numerous improvements
[12:56] <daniels>      from Tungsten -- i915GM support, PanelID support, and support for custom
[12:56] <daniels>      video modes in the video BIOS, eliminating the need for
[12:56] <daniels>      855wrap/855resolution/865patch, et al (closes: Ubuntu#2827).
[12:56] <daniels>      + Mesa 6.2.x branch, which will allow DRI around suspend/resume (also
[12:56] <daniels>        fixing random video bustage after suspend/resume) on i8xx, is pending,
[12:56] <daniels>        and will be in the next revision.
[12:56] <trey3> daniels: hey  :)
[12:56] <War_craftsteel> trey3: I have also tried to reconfigure my X-configuration via xf86config
[12:56] <mjg59> daniels: Rock. How long until that's built?
[12:57] <trey3> War_craftsteel: never really liked that tool  :(
[12:57] <raghu> hi all
[12:57] <daniels> mjg59: probably 3h to the archive, all told
[12:57] <trey3> War_craftsteel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 uses discover1 to answer questions for you  :)
[12:57] <linux_mafia> trey3, its sort of an ubuntu version of apt-watch
[12:57] <raghu> i want to load module mod_proxy.so...how to?...is there any apt-get for that?
[12:58] <War_craftsteel> trey: ok thanks, Ill try and tell if it was working
[12:58] <trey3> linux_mafia: ahh... I've been looking for a GTK2 applet like that  :(
[12:58] <trey3> linux_mafia: looks like I've got a bit longer to wait though  ;)
[12:58] <linux_mafia> trey3, you on hoary?
[12:58] <trey3> linux_mafia: yeah
[12:58] <trey3> linux_mafia: well... not on... using  ;)
[12:59] <linux_mafia> trey3, fsck you, heh ;), the package is called update-notifier
[12:59] <zombics> i cant get my wheel to work :/ my mouse in Xfree86 look like this:     Identifier  "Mouse1"    Driver      "mouse"    Option "Protocol"    "PS/2"    Option "Device"      "/dev/psaux"    Option "Buttons" "7"    Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[12:59] <trey3> linux_mafia: hahah  :)
[01:00] <trey3> linux_mafia: k... I will check it out  :)
[01:00] <daniels> mjg59: of note, that also contains the entire unichrome.sf.net via driver
[01:00] <coulix> it works perfectly
[01:00] <daniels> zombics: change "PS/2" to "ImPS/2"
[01:00] <daniels> zombics: how did you configure your X server?  no ubuntu tool will write a config file like that
[01:01] <zombics> daniels, the XF86config dint wrote anything so i had to config it myself
[01:03] <linux_mafia> trey3, on my net plan its a flat fee for 10GB a month at 2Mb/s then drops to dial up speed, ive used up all my allowance for this month, gotta wait for 10 more days for some speed, its killing me, too slow to update my hoary :(
[01:03] <daniels> zombics: how did that happen?
[01:03] <mjg59> daniels: I kiss you
[01:03] <daniels> zombics: every install should get an XF86Config-4, working or not
[01:03] <trey3> linux_mafia: ahh... my ISP has nothing like that... I'm lucky  8)
[01:04] <trey3> linux_mafia: get discount rate too, because my Step Dad works for them  :)
[01:04] <zombics> daniels, my dint work. so i used xf86config....
[01:04] <daniels> zombics: ah.
[01:04] <linux_mafia> trey3, broadband in new zealand is a joke
[01:04] <trey3> mjg59: PDA is off topic here  :P
[01:05] <zombics> how do i close my X in ubuntu? when i do itf from X serv it open the gdm
[01:05] <daniels> zombics: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[01:07] <zombics> daniels, still not working :O
[01:08] <daniels> zombics: dunno then
[01:09] <trey3> zombics: mv (your X config file) and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... let debconf figure it out...
[01:10] <stere0> zombics: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:10] <trey3> stere0: invoke-rc.d is less characters  ;)
[01:10] <stere0> trey3: oh, i haven't read that ...
[01:11] <stere0> yes, it's shorter ;o)
[01:12] <daniels> trey3: um, you know that won't work, right
[01:12] <daniels> sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum' && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:17] <no0tic> raghu: I think mod_proxy.so isn't a kernel module...
[01:17] <Kamion> no0tic: apache module
[01:18] <no0tic> Kamion: :)
[01:18] <Kamion> raghu: it's part of the basic apache2 packages; no need to install anything more than that
[01:19] <Kamion> raghu: try 'a2enmod proxy'
[01:19] <polli> Hey, is anyone experiencing problems with X in hoary?
[01:19] <herman_> Kamion, is mod_proxy comparable with squid?
[01:19] <herman_> polli, works fine for me on multiple machines
[01:19] <Kamion> herman_: no idea
[01:20] <polli> herman_: any laptops?
[01:20] <herman_> polli, yup
[01:20] <no0tic> #peori
[01:20] <Kamion> herman_: but I'm fairly sure it has an entirely different purpose; check the documentation on the apache web site
[01:21] <polli> hmmm.. weird, it lloks lite the screen is divided into three parts
[01:21] <polli> looks like
[01:21] <herman_> Kamion, ok, just wondering because squid seems almost unmaintained and is lacking in modern stuff (ipv6, latest http specification etc)
[01:22] <herman_> polli, which driver are you using?
[01:22] <grepper> does gnome have a native xclipboard tool like kde's klipper ?
[01:27] <HostingGeek> SuSE_UsER <<< convret him
[01:28] <i386> SuSE_UsER you know you want it
[01:28] <linuxboy> i think its unfair to ban a user of a different distro
[01:28] <linuxboy> unless they cause crap
[01:28] <i386> hot, raw, bareback ubuntu action
[01:29] <linuxboy> lol, HostingGeek
[01:29] <HostingGeek> lol
[01:29] <linuxboy> thats funny
[01:29] <linuxboy> i nrealy fell for it
[01:30] <gen> idiot
[01:30] <daniels> is there anything on-topic?
[01:36] <asdf_> is there any way to install gnome/ubuntu-desktop even though there are broken dependencies?
[01:36] <Kamion> asdf_: start aptitude, go to tasks and drill down 'til you get to ubuntu-desktop, press +, ignore broken stuff
[01:37] <Kamion> that should get you most of it
[01:37] <Kamion> but there's no clean way to ignore broken dependencies, no
[01:37] <asdf_> hrmm ok thanks
[01:37] <asdf_> do you think itll be fixed anytime soon?
[01:37] <asdf_> it seemed to be working yesterday
[01:38] <asdf_> waited until today to download it all and now its all broken hehe
[01:38] <Kamion> seems to be a lot of breakage at the moment according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html; seb's still working on integrating GNOME 2.9.4
[01:38] <Kamion> assuming you mean hoary
[01:39] <asdf_> yeah
[01:40] <asdf_> is 2.9.4 a stable release?
[01:40] <asdf_> i thought 2.8 was the latest
[01:40] <Kamion> hoary tracks development GNOME
[01:40] <HostingGeek> asdf_: no
[01:41] <topyli> asdf_: it's unstable: note the 9
[01:41] <topyli> like linux versions
[01:41] <HostingGeek> but comparded to windows its way past stable
[01:41] <asdf_> gnomes always been really unstable for me
[01:41] <topyli> HostingGeek: yeah. but it's unstable like debian unstable: it changes
[01:41] <asdf_> compared to xp
[01:41] <asdf_> not the core gnome but applets etc
[01:42] <asdf_> and stuff that comes with it
[01:42] <topyli> asdf_: what's an xp applet? ;)
[01:42] <HostingGeek> topyli: yes thats why i voted for the name changes please do not call it debian unstable any more
[01:42] <asdf_> heheh true
[01:42] <Kamion> yeees, that "vote" was pretty pointless
[01:43] <HostingGeek> Kamion: don't talk like that
[01:43] <topyli> HostingGeek: people do misunderstand debian stability sometimes
[01:43] <HostingGeek> Nominus: ipv6 is sooooo coool
[01:44] <Nominus> ))
[01:44] <HostingGeek> topyli: thats why i voted for the change
[01:44] <topyli> i vote for changing people ;)
[01:44] <asdf_> if you mean me, i understand how it works
[01:44] <HostingGeek> Nominus: ok i think we have a bit of a stuff up the the ipv6 > ipv4
[01:44] <asdf_> unstable just means new
[01:45] <HostingGeek> Nominus: that was not english
[01:45] <asdf_> and testing means its been tested for a while and seems to work for most people
[01:45] <Kamion> no, it really does mean unstable, in packaging structure terms
[01:45] <HostingGeek> yes
[01:45] <asdf_> yeah but it doesnt actually mean its unstable
[01:45] <HostingGeek> once a package has had no bugs for 14 days it goes into testing
[01:45] <Kamion> not true
[01:45] <Nominus> HostingGeek: hm... there'ra many ipv6 tunnel brokers offering ipv6 over ipv4 tunnels for free
[01:45] <HostingGeek> Kamion: yes it is
[01:45] <topyli> asdf_: unstable works for most people too (those who use it)
[01:46] <Kamion> HostingGeek: I co-administer the testing distribution, I know how it works
[01:46] <HostingGeek> no0tic: OMG thats english
[01:46] <HostingGeek> Kamion: then update the wiki to say diffrent
[01:46] <topyli> asdf_: testing is actually the worst debian to use
[01:46] <Kamion> what wiki?
[01:46] <asdf_> how so?
[01:46] <HostingGeek> as debian.net says that
[01:46] <Kamion> the official documentation is http://www.debian.org/devel/testing, not some wiki
[01:46] <HostingGeek> debian.net == wiki
[01:47] <asdf_> because it takes longer for fixes to get added?
[01:47] <Kamion> HostingGeek: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianTesting doesn't say what you claim it says
[01:47] <topyli> asdf_: yes. it's not meant for users at all
[01:48] <Fly_80> hi all
[01:48] <asdf_> is unstable meant for users?
[01:48] <asdf_> hi
[01:48] <Fly_80> i installed ubuntu yesterday and i have a little question
[01:49] <topyli> asdf_: dunno. it's used a lot and we want it to be usable
[01:49] <Fly_80> i noticed that acpi_button does'nt work when i close the system
[01:49] <mjg59> Fly_80: What do you mean?
[01:49] <Fly_80> i get Power Off
[01:49] <Fly_80> than acpi_button called
[01:50] <Fly_80> *then
[01:50] <Fly_80> but the system doesn't close himself
[01:50] <mjg59> Fly_80: Are you sure it's not acpi_power_off called?
[01:50] <Fly_80> eh yes
[01:50] <Fly_80> is that
[01:50] <mjg59> And you installed Warty? (the stable release)
[01:50] <Fly_80> yes
[01:51] <Fly_80> i installed the warty release for amd64
[01:51] <mjg59> Ok, it's due to a kernel bug
[01:51] <mjg59> It ought to be fixed in the next release
[01:52] <asdf_> does anyone know why my prism wireless card isnt getting initialised properly during boot?
[01:52] <asdf_> but when i do ifup eth0 after its booted, it works ok
[01:52] <Fly_80> uhm, another question : how does it work the kernel update ? i just download the image or i can compiling bu my own ? ?
[01:52] <Fly_80> *by
[01:52] <asdf_> there are kernel packages
[01:53] <Fly_80> in synaptic ?
[01:53] <asdf_> yeah
[01:53] <asdf_> kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on generic x86_64 systems
[01:53] <asdf_> kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD64 systems
[01:53] <asdf_> kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD64 SMP systems
[01:53] <asdf_> for example
[01:54] <odo> yay, finally got my Ubuntu CD's via snailmail :)
[01:54] <Fly_80> uhm is it linux-image-*
[01:54] <Fly_80> not kernel-image
[01:54] <mjg59> Fly_80: linux-image, yes
[01:54] <dud> this might be a bit of a silly question... but a windows friend of mine was up all night defragmenting his harddrive... and so he asked me if defragmentation was an issue in linux...
[01:55] <dud> to be honest ive never thought about it
[01:55] <dud> does anyone know?
[01:55] <Fly_80> so if i want to update my kernel , i just install it from synaptic
[01:55] <i386> dud, no
[01:55] <mjg59> Fly_80: Yes
[01:55] <Kamion> dud: Unix filesystems normally take care of that for themselves
[01:55] <dud> one should think that files will be defragmented...
[01:55] <dud> as thats sort of the nature of harddrives
[01:55] <i386> Journaling filesystems usually solve that dud
[01:55] <Fly_80> mjg59, but i have to modify the menu.lst for grub or is automatic too ?
[01:55] <Kamion> yeah, but it's the filesystem's responsibility to take care of that, not the user's
[01:55] <dud> does fsck take care of it automatically?
[01:55] <i386> or so Ive been told
[01:55] <asdf_> Fly_80: automatic
[01:55] <Kamion> i386: even ext2 handles defragmentation; it's not journalling
[01:56] <Fly_80> uhm, good :)
[01:56] <Kamion> it's not fsck, it's the filesystem code in the kernel itself
[01:56] <dud> file systems are very interesting indeed
[01:56] <Fly_80> thanks
[01:56] <i386> Kamion, Well I got it wrong :)
[01:56] <asdf_> you can quite easily build your own kernel packages from source
[01:56] <dud> Kamion, ok, good to know
[01:56] <i386> dud, I like XFS
[01:56] <i386> its great for huge and really small files
[01:56] <i386> performance wise
[01:56] <i386> and the recovery tools are really well tested
[01:56] <dud> i prefer just to play it safe and stick to ext3 or ext2 depending on the nature of the file usage
[01:57] <mjg59> asdf_: You /can/, but you miss out on the Ubuntu-specific patches
[01:57] <dud> with heavy frequent read/write of medium to small files i prefer ext3 (eg webserver)
[01:57] <asdf_> theres a package for them i seem to remember seeing
[01:57] <asdf_> what kinda patches come applied to the ubuntu kernels out of interest?
[01:58] <dud> but for larger concurrent read/writes i stick to good ol ext2 (eg capturing and movie/music processing)
[01:59] <mjg59> asdf_: Ubdated acpi, some driver fixes, support for some architectures that don't work by default, extra drivers, inotify, various suspend/resume fixes, a few other bits and bobs
[01:59] <asdf_> cool
[01:59] <mjg59> (That's the Hoary kernel, which is what I have handy)
[02:05] <HostingGeek> daniels: no UBUNTU IS OFFTOPIC in #debian
[02:05] <HostingGeek> feel free to talk about debian in #ubuntu-offtopic people
[02:06] <srid> ubuntu package for this http://micke.hallendal.net/gnome-launch-box/ anyone?
[02:09] <HostingGeek> google NOES all
[02:09] <HostingGeek> including ubuntu...
[02:11] <HostingGeek> srid: what does it do
[02:12] <polli> herman_: ati as it seems
[02:13] <srid> HostingGeek, launch apps
[02:13] <polli> herman_: and it work without a problem in hoary
[02:13] <HostingGeek> srid: the terminal can even do that
[02:13] <srid> HostingGeek, this is for n00bs :)
[02:14] <polli> herman_: woary that is :)
[02:14] <srid> it's eyecandy too
[02:14] <HostingGeek> srid: so gnome-menu can do it better than this
[02:14] <HostingGeek> did someone say candy
[02:15] <srid> not all apps are put under gnome-menu
[02:18] <i386> helios, !
[02:18] <i386> :)
[02:18] <linux_mafia> what the hell is that launch box thing, looks kinda like a gdesklet launch thingy
[02:18] <helios> i386
[02:18] <i386> guess who :)
[02:18] <helios> a lesser version of the i686 kernel :P
[02:18] <i386> ...no
[02:19] <helios> i know who you are
[02:19] <i386> Ill explain what it means one day
[02:19] <helios> what?
[02:19] <i386> when I dont have to sleep (ie got time?)
[02:19] <helios> lol
[02:19] <helios> i know i left my terminal here somewhere...
[02:21] <helios> is there anyone here that can help me get fglrx working properly?
[02:22] <i386> helios problem is that he owns a Radeon 9600
[02:23] <i386> and needs 3D graphics working
[02:23] <i386> except he is newbular
[02:23] <helios> i need to get dri working on xfree
[02:24] <helios> damn john for stealing ciggies
[02:24] <crimsun_> helios: have you followed the instructions on the BinaryDriverHowto?
[02:25] <tritium> In a recent update, the Network Monitor applet lost it's ability to determine the active network interface.  Now it just defaults to whichever interface was used last.
[02:25] <tritium> And the Inbox Monitor and Wireless applet are gone.
[02:26] <helios> ????
[02:26] <helios> where be that crimsun?
[02:26] <crimsun> helios: have you read the instructions for fglrx here? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:26] <helios> already found it
[02:28] <helios> thanks crimsun
[02:28] <helios> doing now
[02:28] <helios> will keep apprised of situation
[02:29] <darmou> Is anyone using codeweavers plugins?
[02:29] <crimsun> darmou: long ago, yes.
[02:29] <Guardiann> hey darmou
[02:30] <darmou> For some reason I can't get quicktime sound to work with ubuntu
[02:30] <Guardiann> I am using code weavers
[02:31] <darmou> Guardiann so you have no sound issues?
[02:32] <Guardiann> i am only using it to run ie
[02:33] <helios> bbs guys... need to restart to see if the settings worked
[02:33] <no0tic> re
[02:37] <darmou> r u using the mplayer plugin for quicktime then?  I can't seem to get the mplayer working for quicktime only win media player
[02:38] <helios> thanks crimsun for your help, and i386
[02:39] <Linforcer> Yeah, erm just installed my new nifty ubuntu and both rhythmbox and totem refuse to play mp3 files... rhythmbox says " no plugin for... "  and Totem says [failed to open;unknown reason] , do I need mp3 codecs or something, if so how? if anyonw can help me, please do, if not... well, sucks to be me
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> you need gstreamer-mad
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> from universe
[02:39] <Linforcer> I see
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> enable universe in synaptic
[02:39] <Linforcer> I did
[02:40] <Linforcer> :)
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> and get the gstreamer-mad package
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> good :)
[02:40] <Linforcer> I tried to get gstreamer 09
[02:40] <Linforcer> like in the beginners guide
[02:40] <Linforcer> I take it its obsolete
[02:40] <Linforcer> ?
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> 09?
[02:40] <Linforcer> 08*
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> which guide is this
[02:40] <Linforcer> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:41] <Linforcer> Q: how to install multimedia codecs?
[02:41] <Linforcer> A:
[02:41] <Linforcer>  $ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[02:41] <Linforcer> $ sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> yes that should do it
[02:42] <dud> gstreamer0.8-plugins is a meta-package isnt it?
[02:42] <Linforcer> ah yes it works now
[02:42] <Linforcer> wonder what I did wrong before
[02:42] <Linforcer> :S
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> dud: yes
[02:42] <Linforcer> By the way,
[02:42] <dud> thought so :)
[02:43] <Linforcer> how do I install downloaded .deb packages (if possible)
[02:43] <helios> dpkg
[02:43] <Linforcer> aaaah
[02:43] <Linforcer> thanks
[02:43] <Linforcer> :)
[02:43] <helios> dpkg -i
[02:43] <Linforcer> yeah I figured
[02:43] <helios> -i will install it
[02:44] <Linforcer> and else I would have man'd it
[02:44] <dud> argh, it should be tuesday tomorrow ;/
[02:44] <dud> ill be bying a pc upgrade on tuesday... cant wait
[02:44] <Linforcer> hm
[02:44] <Linforcer> coulnt find package w32codecs
[02:44] <Linforcer> Any clue here someone?
[02:45] <helios> sudo
[02:45] <dud> amd athlon64 3000+ and a new mother board
[02:45] <Linforcer> I did
[02:45] <dud> cant wait to get rid of this crap assed celeron
[02:45] <helios> where did you download the file to?
[02:45] <Linforcer> Oh, no I'm trying to find the package with apt-get not install it from disk
[02:45] <crimsun> Linforcer: you need 'w32codecs' from the marillat repository
[02:46] <crimsun> Linforcer: make sure you have that repo enabled; follow the directions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:46] <Linforcer> :S... I... see
[02:47] <dud> i thought marillat wasnt working as of lately...?
[02:48] <dud> btw, whats the legal status for dvd ripping and similar in the usa?
[02:48] <dud> has it really been tried for a court yet?
[02:48] <nevyn> so we're going to hell. we bought a peripheral for a single game.
[02:49] <nevyn> 2 player dance mat.
[02:49] <dud> its legal to backup dvds and any other media that you wish to back up for personal use in norway and scandinavia in general i believe
[02:49] <nevyn> and australia.
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: where does it say that
[02:49] <dud> afaik, even torrents are legal in norway
[02:50] <dud> it hasnt been tried in court, but we have fairly nice copyright laws here
[02:50] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: it's like.. thou shalt not buy a peripheral for a single game.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> I meant copy dvds for backup
[02:50] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: there's no fair use right in australia.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: even if it's cheap?
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: I bought a whole PS2 to play GTA:SA
[02:51] <nevyn> you need the copyright owners permission to make a copy
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> exactly
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> so it's *not* legal
[02:51] <HostingGeek> oh ow i see them coming
[02:51] <nevyn> we're gonna buy one for singstar
[02:51] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: $55 for a 2 player mat
[02:51] <dud> its so nice to live in scandinavia hehe
[02:51] <dud> i almost feel guilty :o
[02:51] <nevyn> EB was getting rid of them
[03:34] (Cloudchaser/#ubuntu) does anyone have any ideas what i can do? i can see the shares and their dirs at comman line, but not in any file browser
[03:34] (herman_/#ubuntu) polli, can you paste me the url of the bugreport when you finished it. i'm curious:)
[03:34] (da_bon_bon/#ubuntu) siulca: go on..
[03:34] (Linforcer/#ubuntu) Say, erm... that nifty graphicky thing for Grub that SuSE (and NLD) has, is there a way to get that for ubuntu?
[03:36] <siulca> da_bon_bon, yep done it
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> siulca: should have used rafb.net/paste
[03:37] <kent> Linforcer, i dont use suse, but there is one in next Ubuntu (Hoary). its from gnome system tools. Dont know if it existed in Warty or not.
[03:37] <siulca> da_bon_bon, er, sorry... I'm still learning as you can tell.
[03:37] <Linforcer> Thanks kent.
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> siulca: no problemo
[03:37] <Linforcer> (Do you people know EVERYTHING?)
[03:38] <da_bon_bon> Linforcer: not necessarily ;)
[03:38] <Linforcer> Sure seems like it.
[03:38] <egli> seems like it. I had an answer within a second
[03:38] <Linforcer> What's the answer to life the universe and everything?
[03:38] <dud> 42
[03:38] <egli> hehe, 42
[03:38] <Linforcer> Yeah
[03:39] <Linforcer> I knew you'd say that.
[03:39] <HostingGeek> is it just me or is sftp:// in natulus SUPER slow
[03:39] <dud> that geek knowledge 101
[03:39] <dud> s/that/that's
[03:39] <Linforcer> Yeah... and I ahven't even read it.
[03:39] <Linforcer> haven't*\
[03:39] <HostingGeek> its said perprting to copy for a few mins now
[03:39] <cetanhota> how do I force alsa to save my mixer settings? everytime I reboot my levels go back to 0
[03:40] <HostingGeek> and its not my server's end
[03:40] <dud> cetanhota, alsactl store
[03:40] <cetanhota> dud, thanks
[03:41] <dud> just put alsactl restore in a start up script
[03:41] <kent> HostingGeek, to copy files over sftp:// in nautilus is slow for me aswell, but it must have to do with that its run over ssh? compare the speeds with a simple copy with sftp from the commandline?
[03:41] <dud> read this months linux magazine for more on sound in linux btw cetanhota ;)
[03:41] <HostingGeek> kent: in ssh it super fast 0.001seconds
[03:41] <cetanhota> dud, I am coming from RedHat, I know where to put that in RH, but what is the name of the startup script in ubuntu
[03:42] <HostingGeek> init.d
[03:42] <kent> you meen, when copying with sftp on the commandline?
[03:42] <dud> yeah, HostingGeek beat me to it heh
[03:42] <cetanhota> thank you HostingGeek!
[03:42] <HostingGeek> shess its init.d in every distro beside red hat because red hat want to gay
[03:42] <HostingGeek> watch my lang
[03:42] <dud> redhat likes it up the arse :O
[03:43] <cetanhota> I dont want to bash distros. I have to use Red Hat at the office.
[03:43] <dud> and now, they even want to get paid for it hehe
[03:43] <HostingGeek> kent: with ssh
[03:44] <dud> slackware is a bit special about startup scripts as well
[03:44] <dud> using the SystemV style and all
[03:44] <kent> last night I had a dream about Ubuntu using some kind of splash-bootup thing. It was semi-graphical. The text still came up on the screen, but it was on the background of pictures of the developers..   haha, very strange dream. But it impressed my friends in the dream ;)
[03:44] <dud> haha, how geeky :D
[03:45] <dud> you should get a tux plush animal to cuddle while you dream about linux
[03:46] <HostingGeek> kent: 0_o
[03:47] <Linforcer> xD
[03:47] <kent> HostingGeek, btw, have you tried copying with gftp? if you want to use graphical tools instead of the commandline, then gftp also handles sftp.
[03:48] <HostingGeek> kent: no i was just testing it out
[03:49] <Linforcer> Erm... I was just wondering... when I want to run a bin... I sue ./ at times, I know this... but what does ./ REALLY MEAN? What does this tell my system?
[03:49] <Linforcer> use*
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> is something wrong with nautilus and its file manager in ubuntu? i don't remember having same issues on redhat as i do in ubuntu
[03:50] <tritium> Cloudchaser, what kind of issues?
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> mostly to do with samba/smbmount
[03:50] <wu_ming> does ubuntu comes with another window manager like twm (something light)
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> right now i can't get to my shares at all via file manager
[03:50] <kent> Linforcer, that you change the identety of the user to the administrator instead of a normal user. that way you can change stuff that you could not do as a user.
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> but i can open a doc from a share in OO and at command line
[03:50] <Linforcer> but...
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> file manager says i can't mount the share
[03:50] <Linforcer> oh wait...
[03:50] <Linforcer> sudo just opens the file as su
[03:51] <dud> i know nautilus has been known to be occationally borked in hoary
[03:51] <Linforcer> and ./ runs every command in it as su
[03:51] <Linforcer> right?
[03:51] <Cloudchaser> i'm using warty
[03:51] <kent> Linforcer, oh, you mean "the ./" thing?  its becaus the current directory is not in $PATH, so you have to realy tell the system the thing you want to run is in the current directory
[03:51] <Linforcer> :S
[03:51] <Linforcer> oh
[03:51] <Linforcer> ok
[03:51] <Linforcer> xD
[03:51] <dud> . is representive of the current directory, and / is just a seperator of sorts
[03:52] <dud> in layman terms...
[03:52] <Linforcer> Cool. Thanks.
[03:52] <kent> Linforcer, so the "./" is only to tell the system that the program to run is in the current command, it can be done as a normal user aswell. For example, if you write your own script/program and have it in /home/user/  then you change to that directory and run it with ./myprogram.se
[03:52] <dud> also ,, means parent directory
[03:52] <tritium> Cloudchaser, windows or samba servers?
[03:52] <dud> .. even
[03:53] <Linforcer> I see. :)
[03:53] <HostingGeek> OMG ubuntu on /.
[03:53] <HostingGeek> ohh wait
[03:53] <HostingGeek> sry it was just a comment
[03:53] <Cloudchaser> this ubuntu laptop is samba server..the shares i'm accessing are windows shares
[03:53] <dud> heh, /. is so cool
[03:53] <tritium> Cloudchaser, where are the share?
[03:53] <tritium> shares?
[03:53] <dud> if i had to choose between /, and my girlfriend it have some serious trouble heh
[03:53] <HostingGeek> dud: you will think that
[03:54] <Cloudchaser> samba seems to be working fine as are smbmount, just not with file manager or network browser. the shares are on my network.
[03:54] <HostingGeek> dud: i'll have both at the same time
[03:54] <dud> s/it/i'd
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: hiya, hows the hosting running ? the 99 char. password still in placE ?
[03:54] <dud> too bad you aint getting my girlfriend then HostingGeek  hehe
[03:54] <HostingGeek> da_bon_bon: yes my site is going up NOW
[03:54] <wu_ming> anyone know how to switch from gnome to twm?
[03:54] <dud> guess im not the only one with a dedicated server here then :O
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: whats its address ? do u use ubuntu for hosting it ?
[03:55] <dud> wu_ming, install twm and setup xstart to start that instead of gnome...?
[03:55] <Guardiann> dud what kinda server you running
[03:56] <wu_ming> whats xtart?
[03:56] <HostingGeek> da_bon_bon: no debian it just started rexolving now its vhcshosting.com the hosting is free
[03:56] <dud> Guardiann, a nice 2,8Gz freebsd server
[03:56] <dud> located in a NOC in texas
[03:57] <dud> dudcore.net for the interested...
[03:57] <Guardiann> i see mine is pretty puny then but i am just seeing how long linux can keep it up
[03:58] <dud> its a professional dedicated server... it comes with a pretty decent montly pricetag hehe
[03:58] <tritium> Cloudchaser, did you try DOMAIN
[03:59] <tritium> hold on
[03:59] <Cloudchaser> ?
[03:59] <dud> but basically i havent really put a lot of work into getting customers... i just like having a hosting company, and few customers
[03:59] <dud> not planning to be the next verio hehe
[03:59] <Guardiann> yet anyway :)
[04:00] <tritium> Sometimes you have to put your domain\username together in the same place to authenticate.
[04:00] <dud> the most popular part of my server is mirror.dudcore.net
[04:00] <dud> which is a free ftp mirror service :)
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> Tritium i'm not sure i follow..the drives are mounted and accessible in command line and in open office...
[04:01] <tritium> I understand.
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> but file manager isn't getting the message
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> does nautilus have other settings i need to set?
[04:02] <tritium> But sometimes you have to use domain\login as your username to authenticate.  A good example of this is evolution-exchange with Exchange 2003 servers.
[04:02] <dud> imho nautilus isnt exactly the strongest side of gnome...
[04:02] <LooKER> hi
[04:02] <dud> hello there sailor
[04:02] <LooKER> do u know if it's possible to sync evolution mail with pocketpc
[04:03] <dud> no idea heh
[04:03] <dud> evolution uses mbox storage format doesnt it?
[04:03] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't prompt me for a log on, and when i go to Computer/Disks/Share and dc it...it says "Unable to mount the selected volume, cannot mount on /mnt/cloudg: Operation not permitted
[04:03] <Cloudchaser> smbmnt failed: 1
[04:04] <Cloudchaser> and as i said, the volume is already mounted and it was all working fine a few days ago
[04:04] <gangalino> what happens when Evolution's postfix times out to other MX connections? does it retry it? how do you get it to try again?
[04:04] <tritium> Cloudchaser, dunno, then.
[04:05] <Cloudchaser> k thanks tritium
[04:06] <lamont> gangalino: I'm assuming that you mean the postfix that evolution handed the mail to, yes?
[04:07] <lamont> postfix will keep trying to deliver the mail for 5days, iirc, before bouncing it as undeliverable
[04:07] <lamont> yeah, 5days
[04:08] <Petaris> What can you use to play .mov (quicktime) files in ubuntu
[04:08] <Petaris> as I don't see mplayer listed
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: xine works fine for me
[04:09] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: is there some reason why I can't get it to work in firefox (as in launch)
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: ohh. you want it in browser ?
[04:10] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: yeah, like mplayer-plugin
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: oh.. then i dunno..
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> mozilla-xine works fine for me
[04:11] <Petaris> is that a plugin?
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: yes.
[04:12] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: I just searched synaptic but it didn't come up
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: google it - there is a plugin.
[04:13] <Petaris> xine is installed, and firefox is installed
[04:13] <Petaris> ahhh
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: i am sorry they are RPMs
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: perhaps use alien ?
[04:15] <gangalino> lamont: yes
[04:15] <tritium> mplayer is in multiverse
[04:15] <tritium> and also in Marillat repository
[04:16] <lamont> tritium: the mplayer in warty/multiverse is kinda useless for most people.
[04:16] <lamont> hoary's works much better.
[04:16] <lamont> or grab source for warty's and build it locally should work
[04:16] <lamont> (binaries should work on p4 machines..)
[04:17] <leno> hey i just received some ubuntu live cd's and they don't work
[04:17] <leno> anybody know of this problem?
[04:17] <deception_uk> hi all, having a bit of trouble with the wiki kernel guide, can anyone help please?
[04:17] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: I found it in synaptics
[04:18] <Cloudchaser> tritium, i found the issue and found a way to fix it
[04:18] <Cloudchaser> at least sort of fix it
[04:18] <tritium> Cloudchaser, what was the issue?
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: hope it works..
[04:18] <Cloudchaser> it looks like my gencache.tdb file was corrupted
[04:18] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: thanks
[04:19] <Cloudchaser> so i renamed it and deleted it
[04:19] <tritium> Cloudchaser, oh.  Where is that stored?
[04:19] <Cloudchaser> and then it seemed to be working at least partially
[04:19] <Cloudchaser> one more share is showing up on desktop and is viewable...the file is /var/run/samba/gencache.tdb
[04:20] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: does it work ? i will get it too if it does.
[04:20] <tritium> I see
[04:20] <Cloudchaser> i read the log msgs for smbmount and it had an error with that file, i cat'd it and it looked like  mostly garbagte
[04:20] <tritium> oh
[04:21] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: still downloading
[04:21] <Cloudchaser> still have one share not showing up but i don't need that one at the moment...if it keeps happening then there's some sort of issue going on
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: are u getting xine or the plugin ?
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: and can u tell me the exact name of the plugin u r getting ?
[04:26] <l4xxor> Hi, i installed ubuntu and jet i have a question . where is my root password ? i didnt had the chance to configure it while the setup. is it a default password ?
[04:26] <tritium> Cloudchaser, this is what I was looking for earlier for you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/windowsnet2003/view?searchterm=samba
[04:26] <jdub> l4xxor: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:26] <dud> l4xxor, you need to enable the root account
[04:26] <tritium> not that it's much help
[04:26] <l4xxor> aha thx
[04:26] <dud> with sudo passwd root
[04:26] <jdub> l4xxor: don't bother enabling the root account
[04:26] <jdub> l4xxor: the way it works by default is much better :)
[04:27] <l4xxor> jdub but i need the PW to install progs etc.
[04:27] <Cloudchaser> ah i can try that tritium
[04:27] <jdub> l4xxor: nup, read the page above
[04:27] <jdub> l4xxor: you don't need a root password
[04:27] <Kamion> l4xxor: it's asking for your password, not the root password
[04:27] <dud> you can use sudo to gain root priveles
[04:27] <jdub> l4xxor: with sudo, and your first user, you enter your own password
[04:27] <tritium> Cloudchaser, I hope it works...
[04:28] <Cloudchaser> well the file i removed seemed to fix half my problem
[04:28] <Cloudchaser> one share is now acessible in the file browser
[04:28] <Cloudchaser> the other one isn't
[04:29] <tritium> I'm noticing that I when I browse the network, not all the domains are showing up.
[04:30] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: gxineplugin
[04:30] <Cloudchaser> maybe hoary has seen some work done on the issues? i've read many bugs with nautilus and network browsing
[04:30] <tritium> could be
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> Petaris: ok..
[04:35] <Petaris> da_bon_bon: it keeps failing to start the xine engine for me
[04:37] <Cloudchaser> hmm i'm getting var/mail msg about samba segaulting
[04:37] <wastrel> so i'm dual booting for the first time, is it customary to give both OS's the same hostname or do they get unique hostnames
[04:38] <tritium> I'm confused about my own smb configuration.  I manually ran dpkg-reconfigure samba-common, since I couldn't find any other way to specify my workgroup.
[04:38] <Cloudchaser> i did it in the smb config file
[04:38] <Cloudchaser> and also in the network settings for windows networking
[04:39] <tritium> Cloudchaser, you mean in "Desktop->Administration->Networking"?
[04:39] <tritium> on the "General" tab?
[04:39] <tritium> I don't have a samba server, so I don't have any windows networking settings
[04:39] <tritium> I only have samba-common and smbclient and some libraries
[04:39] <tritium> I don't want to run a server
[04:40] <Cloudchaser> ah
[04:40] <Cloudchaser> so where's your samba server?
[04:40] <tritium> I just want to browse the local network.
[04:40] <tritium> the samba server is on the network
[04:40] <tritium> there are several
[04:40] <Cloudchaser> i think from what i read smbmount or smb or something uses the conf file
[04:41] <Cloudchaser> so if you put it in the samba conf file that should do the trick
[04:41] <Cloudchaser> but i also did it in computer/system configuration/networking
[04:41] <tritium> dpkg -S /etc/samba/smb.conf reveals that it doesn't belong to a package.
[04:41] <tritium> Cloudchaser, you're using Warty?
[04:41] <Cloudchaser> no
[04:41] <Cloudchaser> yes
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> i'm using warty ;) sorry
[04:42] <tritium> no problem
[04:42] <kent> On Ubuntu Hoary the system uses UTF as default, now i got some of my music archive renamed to for example "blaha (bad encode)" or something. Not sure of the words, but hopefully you understand me. Is there som way to change those files automatic so i dont have to change the names manually in gnome?
[04:42] <tritium> It seems strange that the only way to set my domain would be from the command-line.
[04:42] <tritium> using dpkg-reconfigure samba-common
[04:45] <Kamion> kent: that's only when you change your locale as well - Tollef's working on a migration tool though
[04:46] <tritium> anyone know what /etc/samba/smb.conf looks like if you don't have samba installed, and didn't run "dpkg-reonfigure samba-common"?
[04:46] <tritium> I have a feeling it shouldn't even exist in that case.
[04:46] <kent> Kamion, I've read something about that on the homepage i think..  will it be ready for Hoary?
[04:47] <madness1982> Hi... Can anyone tell me how to set the java path? wich file to add the path...
[04:47] <Kamion> kent: it's a hoary goal
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> dunno but my samba's messing up..restarting it fails to restart it
[04:47] <Kamion> kent: (so it had better be ...)
[04:49] <Cloudchaser> brb going to restart
[04:49] <kent> Kamion, i must say that im impressed by the way Ubuntu handles these things. I had the same problems before on Fedora, and i never thought of that the distribution could make a program that atleast tries to deal with it. And for example, even though Ubuntu dont come with mp3-plugins etc,  atleast you have done it very easy to install for us who realy wants it.
[04:49] <Kamion> it can't deal with it totally automatically, it'll have to be something each user runs
[04:50] <Kamion> there's a page on the wiki with plans
[04:52] <kent> one strange thing though. dpkg tell me i have gaim 1.1.1-2ubuntu3 installed. But the about-window in gaim tells me i have 1.1.0    Isn't that kind of strange?
[04:52] <tritium> This can't be right: http://ubuntuguide.org/#changecomputerdomainworkgroup
[04:52] <kent> oh, sorry, my fault :(  i had compiled gaim before. so it runs the gaim in /usr/local/ *grr*
[04:52] <tritium> You don't have to install a Samba _server_ to browse a windows network.
[04:53] <tritium> or to change your domain or workgroup
[05:00] <fly_> hi all
[05:01] <fly_> i just update my kernel image , but now X doesn't start...maybe i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers ?
[05:02] <fly_> is there anybody ?
[05:03] <fly_> from command line i have to do something like : sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ? or not ?
[05:04] <linuxboy> fly_: my guess... yes. But im not100% sure and i dont have a nvidia card
[05:06] <dud> doesnt there exist a gnome applet much similar to the kde Kalarm applet?
[05:06] <dud> an applet that you can setup reminders/alarms to trigger in the future
[05:06] <cavediver> Hi all. I'm installing Ubuntu AMD64 on my new machine. What's the address to the universe repository ?
[05:07] <jcspray> dud: Timer Applet? http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=705 or for scheduling stuff, evolution can pop up alerts and sounds for you.
[05:07] <opi> dud: there is something like this IF you're using Evolution
[05:07] <jcspray> cavediver: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list commented out.
[05:07] <cavediver> Another issue. I use my old graphic-card for now. In this machine I only get 1280x1024 in 60Hz. I can't seem to change it to anything higher.
[05:07] <opi> cavediver: archives.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <cavediver> jcspray: Ohh. that's nice
[05:08] <dud> cavediver, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[05:08] <cavediver> Haven't got to use Synaptic yet.
[05:09] <dud> jcspray, ill have a look...
[05:09] <cavediver> Anyone have a clue on that frequenzy issue ?
[05:13] <jcspray> cavediver: you probably need to set your monitor frequency ranges in your X configuration file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:13] <cavediver> jcspray: hmm.. you mean the h and vsync ?
[05:14] <jcspray> ya.
[05:14] <cavediver> I have no idea what I'm supposed to have there :)
[05:15] <jcspray> ask your monitor manufacturer, or find someone with the same monitor.
[05:15] <dud> or google it
[05:15] <cavediver> I think i have my old config around, i'll have a look at that one.
[05:18] <lukasz> hi
[05:18] <lukasz> evry one
[05:19] <klaym> what was the thread again in ubuntuforums.org that tells a beginner all the most important things to do when setting ubuntu up? anyone happen to have a bookmark?
[05:20] <randabis> yay a bunch of hoary updates today fixed the broken themes manager
[05:20] <kensai> klaym, there is a good article right now about this in www.osnews.com
[05:20] <klaym> ok thanks
[05:22] <aethera> lo all
[05:22] <aethera> anyone awake here?
[05:23] <kensai> ZZZzzz
[05:23] <aethera> lo kensai
[05:23] <stere0> i'm awake
[05:23] <kensai> hehe
[05:24] <aethera> heheh
[05:24] <aethera> I am system admin
[05:24] <aethera> I want to know if ubuntu is for me
[05:24] <kensai> then you don't sleep
[05:24] <aethera> cause I am going to provide desktops with ubuntu
[05:24] <stere0> ubuntu is for everyone, so it's also for you
[05:24] <kensai> aethera, ubuntu is pretty good for it, you want a stable desktop?
[05:25] <aethera> kensai I am starting a consulting firm
[05:25] <stere0> which kind of desktop do you want to provide?
[05:25] <aethera> and I amn going to be rolling out clients with ubuntu
[05:25] <kensai> ubuntu is stable withgout being to much outdated
[05:25] <aethera> stere0 a mail / office
[05:25] <kensai> aethera, it is kool then
[05:25] <aethera> what kernel is in ubuntu
[05:25] <stere0> aethera: do you need a coworker?
[05:25] <kensai> aethera, 2.6.8
[05:25] <aethera>  cause I am running arch linux atm
[05:26] <aethera> stere0 I got a contract for about 50 clients now to change them to linux
[05:26] <aethera> :)
[05:26] <aethera> where can I see the applications included with ubuntu
[05:26] <stere0> nice, where do you live?
[05:26] <kensai> aethera, we are reaching world domanition soon with linux ;)
[05:27] <stere0> aethera: it's almost everything included, just like debian sid. over 12.000 packages in ubu-universe
[05:27] <aethera> kensai
[05:27] <kensai> over 14,000 with multiverse and universe
[05:28] <stere0> so we can say all free stuff is available
[05:28] <Fly_80> hi all
[05:28] <kensai> yep
[05:28] <dud> by default evolution is the mail client and openoffice is the office suite
[05:28] <dud> if that was what you were gonna provide aethera
[05:29] <Fly_80> is there a newsreader package ( like PAN ) available for ubuntu-amd64?
[05:29] <dud> and firefox is the default browser
[05:29] <kensai> firefox rulez
[05:29] <aethera> kensai I prefer pure unix