[02:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: still around?
[04:23] <micahg> ddecator: thunderbird 3.1 looks like it's building
[06:59] <ddecator> micahg: huh what? team?
[07:00] <micahg> ddecator: PPA bug triage
[07:00] <ddecator> micahg: ah, alright, sounds good
[07:50] <ddecator> micahg: TB 3.1 failed due to missing files
[07:50] <micahg> ddecator: yees
[07:50] <ddecator> right, you probably got an email about it, haha
[07:50] <micahg> I didn't upload it, that's an old build in the dailies
[07:51] <ddecator> ah
[07:51] <micahg> ddecator: but that is the current pproblem as well
[07:51] <ddecator> darn..
[07:52] <ddecator> micahg: i didn't get an update for XR 2.0/FF 4.0 tonight and it says they'll build in 21 hours..was there just not an update tonight? FF 4.0 is broke for me atm due to w/e reason y-ofel talked to you about before
[07:52] <micahg> ddecator: I'm getting them rescored, but the build is broke :(
[07:53] <ddecator> micahg: :(
[07:53] <ddecator> micahg: so anything for me to work on?
[07:54] <micahg> ddecator: oh the TB31 build is failing in teh exact same place :(
[07:54] <ddecator> micahg: darn, i was hoping to use it soon...
[07:55] <micahg> ddecator: I'll try this weekend, I have to get something done first though
[07:55] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing, just let me know if you want me to look into anything
[07:55] <micahg> ddecator: no, I think it's good ATM
[07:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you get a chance, can you see why lp:firefox is installing the firefox-4.0 symlink in the firefox-3.7 package
[07:57] <micahg> ddecator: I would ask you, but I think it needs advanced package fu
[07:57] <ddecator> micahg: no problem
[08:07] <micahg> ddecator: I have a task :), can you find the firefox PPA bugs and add a task for this new project and make the Ubuntu task invalid.  Only move them if the version is later than what's in the archive
[08:07] <ddecator> micahg: sure. what's the project?
[08:09] <ddecator> micahg: nvm, just got the email
[08:11] <micahg> ddecator: here's the project: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-ppa-bugs
[08:12] <micahg> ddecator: this weekend I'll fix the PPA apport hooks to point there instead of to Ubuntu
[08:12] <ddecator> micahg: sounds good
[08:13]  * micahg probably should have made it more generic for that answers would fit as well, but oh well
[08:13] <micahg> now I must sleep for a short while
[08:14] <ddecator> micahg: night
[10:55] <hotfloppy> hello guys.. why do i get this error when trying to installing firefox 4.0 ? actually, i already installed it, codename shiteroko is im not mistaken.. but after doing 'sudo apt-get upgrade', i cant run it. try to reinstall and got the error. http://pastebin.com/bU4xLMJb
[10:57] <hotfloppy> the error when i try to running it is something like "Cannot execute child process. Files not found"
[11:14] <yofel> hotfloppy: that's known and being worked on
[11:19] <hotfloppy> yofel: oic.. thanks :)
[15:09] <hotfloppy> hello guys.. i just upgraded my system (apt-get upgrade) and now firefox change to Namoroka. before this, its mozilla firefox. and also now i cant open the profile manager.. is something happening on the PPA ? coz my thunderbird title also change to shredder (if im not mistaken the name)..
[15:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, for dh_link is that how it works?
[15:29] <micahg> hotfloppy: yofel: thanks to chrisccoulson, the install issue should be fixed in tonight's upload
[15:30] <yofel> :)
[15:30] <hotfloppy> okay.. how bout my current issue ? is that already in consideration ?
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that's how it works ;)
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> it creates the link in the first listed binary package
[15:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll have to remember that, otherwise, I need to use -p?
[15:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, BTW, there's a build2 for FF3..6.7
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, thanks. i'll look at that later
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> for now, my computer is broken ;)
[15:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, they seem to be on target for release on Tuesday
[16:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: how should we treat ums bugs?  Since the same version is in Maverick, is that considered 'in archive' or since the build is from a PPA we should use the PPA bugs project?
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we should treat them as ubuntu bugs, as the u-m-s PPA is about as official as it gets for PPA's (and those packages are destined for the archive anyway)
[16:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, thanks
[16:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: i'm not sure how I can do that in the apport hook though ;)
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a pain. what logic are you using?
[16:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: apport has a 3rd party option that I'll use to redirect to the new ppa bugs project
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - for the FF4.0 branding, should we use the name of the current branding "Mozilla Developer Preview" in the desktop file rather than Shiretoko?
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> i was just thinking about it, because i need to change the StartupWMClass to that anyway so that it works with docky
[17:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think the codename is still minefield at the moment, and I made that change yesterday
[17:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: but last night's builds won't work because of the issue you fixed this morning
[17:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so if the minefield desktop file has StartupWMClass, then it should be fine tomorrow
[18:00]  * micahg is off...commuting :)
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg - which branding are we building it with now then?
[18:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unofficial branding/minefield
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ah, the unofficial branding isn't minefield though is it?
[18:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it is for trunk
[18:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: when they branch, they'll probably give it a codename
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ah, ok. so, we should be building it with the nightly branding, which is minefield
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> that's how i understand it now anyway ;)
[18:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, which is the change I made yesterday as to which .desktop file to use, the build was already using that, just the .desktop was wrong
[18:04] <micahg> k, really off now
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, is there anything else i need to do to get the seamonkey security update in to lucid? i'm still not completely clear how we handle these in universe
[19:15] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: you tell me when it is ready, and I copy it
[19:15] <jdstrand> iirc there was some more testing that was desired (did micahg say that)?
[19:16] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: does it require the newer nss?
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it's ready to go for lucid
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> we haven't had much testing for < karmic, so we should leave those for now (and they're all still on the 1.x version anyway)
[19:18] <jdstrand> k
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - you're at the spring next week aren't you?
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> s/spring/sprint
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:23] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yep
[19:23] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: seamonkey is now published for lucid
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, excellent, thanks
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, there's another round of updates coming on tuesday
[19:24] <jdstrand> sure! thanks for the update :)
[19:24] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: for seamonkey?
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, for seamonkey, firefox and tb
[19:24] <jdstrand> :\
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/
[19:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: will you have releases prepared for firefox then?
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, we have build1 in the PPA and in maverick already
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> i'm just about to do build2
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> and thunderbird is done already too
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> i just need to reupload SM2.0.6, then that's done too
[19:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. all signs point to 'yes' for openjdk. we just need euca testing
[19:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so hopefully jaunty and karmic can get the new firefox and the transition will be complete
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool, that's good :)
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> i will be glad for it to all be finished ;)
[19:28] <jdstrand> yeah, totally
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i may as well do the 3.6.7 update for karmic and jaunty shouldn't i? (i think it's unlikely we'll push the updates out before 3.6.7 is released now)
[19:29] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yes
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, have you been using the FF4 beta at all?
[19:41] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: no, not at all. hat is the eta for that?
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, probably november. it's quite nice though
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> but it's even nicer on windows 7!
[19:42]  * chrisccoulson runs
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> i don't know if we will get a client-side-decorated version on linux, with the menu button in the titlebar
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> i hope we do :)
[19:48] <jdstrand> windows 7? never heard of it
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> lol
[19:48] <jdstrand> :)
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> i installed it in virtualbox just so i could try FF4.0 on it ;)
[19:50] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so did they achieve the speed improvements? am I remembering that they are doing more of a chromium thing with a confined rendering process?
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i don't think there is anything like that yet, but it's meant to be getting a new (faster) JS engine
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg - have you had any thoughts on how we should split xulrunner?
[20:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, if we can split the components that don't need X, that would be good, I don't know offhand what they are though
[20:20] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that's the difficult part, i'm not sure either
[20:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it might just be mozjs, idk
[20:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: i can try to look this weekend
[20:21] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i think that's the only thing too, so we would end up with something like xulrunner-1.9.2-mozjs for the couchdb guys and xulrunner-1.9.2 for everyone else
[20:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, and the with the xul version in there, it will make it easier to recognize the need for porting
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, hopefully
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> well, if we think that's a sensible split, then i can do that maybe tomorrow
[20:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe we should call it xulrunner-1.9.2-nox, just so people don't think we have mozjs like Debian
[20:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: package mozjs completely seperately if you plan to do that
[20:51] <asac> its a subtree that can be build indepentently
[20:53] <asac> also couchdb folks need to go for javascriptcore. in the end i think shipping mozjs will send the wrong signal
[20:54] <asac> or produce a couchdb with in-source js shipped there and get security team blessing to do that
[20:55] <asac> and throw out everything else that uses mozjs in archive
[20:56] <micahg> asac: everything else we can use a wrapper around I think (except maybe mongodb), the issue with couchdb is the space on the CD, it's the only thing that needs xulrunner ATM
[20:57]  * micahg needs to make gnome-shell use a wrapper this weekend
[21:27] <chrisccoulson__> micahg - heh, i just had a read of lkcl's rant on debian-devel
[21:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: on debian-devel, you can take a swipe at someone :)
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - can you get any mozillateam branches atm?
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> i get this error when i try and get a mozillateam branch:
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head/"
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> but i can access other branches :-/
[21:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that doesn't exist anymore, it's lp:firefox now
[21:38] <micahg> or firefox-4.0.head
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, but i'm not trying to access that branch
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> i get that error when trying to access any mozillateam branch
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> (the one i want is lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.6.lucid)
[21:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson that shouldn't be stacked on 3.7 :(
[21:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ugh, that's in branch format 7
[21:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you'll have to branch it anew
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, what happened there then?
[21:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's stacked wrong for some reason
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - branch fixed now :)
[22:25]  * chrisccoulson wipes brow
[22:44] <asac> sorry gueys ...i killed lp:firefox yesterday
[22:44] <asac> when i tried to fix the stacking
[22:44] <asac> you have to re-set that up
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> asac - no worries. i had a branch stacked against lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head for some reason
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> so, i just recreated that branch and then unstacked mine ;)
[22:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: is it still in right format?
[22:47] <asac> ;)
[22:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: actually why i found out about the brokenness was that i wanted to commit something to ffox 3.6 and 4.0
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> asac - it seems that it was already in the wrong format (firefox-3.6.lucid)
[22:47] <asac> i dropped the ball ... let me check :) ... one sec
[22:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: :(((((
[22:48] <asac> how much i hate launchpad for that ;)
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too ;)
[22:49] <asac> chrisccoulson: if i commit something to 3.6 branch can you remember to pull that to the 4.0 branch?
[22:49] <asac> ;)
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, can do. i've got quite a few things to push to the 4.0 branch now
[22:50] <asac> ok ... i will let you know. its nifty stuff ;)
[22:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - is now a good time to clean up the transitional packages (seeing as we're LTS+1), or do we still need to keep them for the daily builds?
[22:52] <asac> chrisccoulson: yes. drop them ... for daily builds we can make a fake transition as we did in the past
[22:52] <asac> e.g. create a source package with just transitional packages and put that in the ppa
[22:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, cool, i'll do that before the next update then
[22:53] <asac> chrisccoulson: check out what i committed ;)
[22:53] <asac> not sure if i forgot to install something after enabling crashreporting
[22:53] <asac> Committed revision 622.                                (on 3.6 brach)
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> asac - nice. what do we do with the symbols?
[22:54] <asac> i will setup an automatic upload to mozilla for now
[22:55] <asac> and then we should disable our crash reporting
[22:55] <asac> at best that push would ahppen where we currently sort out the dbgsym on the build farm
[22:55] <asac> until then we can manually upload
[22:56] <asac> i will send an email to ted and CC you and if you want you can do the uploads of the .zip in there
[22:56] <asac> ... we can do that for all biulds: archive + daily
[22:56] <asac> they want everything
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, cool. so, the symbols package is not the sort of thing that users would normally install is it?
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> (ie, they don't need it for submitting crash reports?)
[22:57] <asac> right. no user wants that
[22:57] <asac> they only see the crashreporter and get asked if they want to upload that (which then goes to mozilla)
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> cool
[22:57] <asac> and we can use their crash db
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> i'll talk to the LP guys tomorrow or next week, and see how we can make it more automated
[22:57] <asac> also mozilla will consider us a first class citizen so if they see top crashes from our users (like on dailies) they now can hold back release etc
[22:57] <asac> yeah cool.
[22:57] <asac> i will connect you with ted
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[22:58] <asac> if you dont see a mail by tomorrow lunch poke me
[22:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: it might be that for now we have to switch from dwarf to "stabs++" debug symbols. but most likely we just need to pull the trunk script for stripping the symbols to the fffox 3.6 branch to get it right
[22:59] <asac> breakpad now understands dwarf. but lets talk that over
[22:59] <asac> with a beer next week ;)
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> cool :)
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> asac - for disabling apport, we just need to blacklist firefox don't we?
[23:01] <asac> is that blacklisting on client side?
[23:01] <asac> i dont want the "submit crash" etc. to pop up at all
[23:01] <asac> at best not even a core dump to be created
[23:01] <asac> but if thats still done on development releases its fine
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, it's possible to blacklist applications on the client side, so that apport will ignore crashes
[23:01] <asac> our new crashreporter works without core
[23:01] <asac> right. then thats the way forward
[23:01] <asac> or maybe some apport hoook hint?
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> there's a text file for doing that. in fact, we might even be able to ship the blacklist file with firefox
[23:01] <asac> (we still want to keep apport hook for normal bug reports)
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think the blacklisting is only for the crash reporting
[23:02] <asac> right. i would hope we can ship it in firefox
[23:02] <asac> but lets first get the crash reports working ;)
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> asac - /etc/apport/blacklist.d :)
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> so, we can easily do that, which is good
[23:04] <fta> guys, you should seriously think about taking over the dailies. i'm considering shutting the bot down completely for several reasons
[23:05] <asac> yay ... finally after years of pain we might be able to get rid of crash bugs
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> fta - i can probably do that
[23:05] <asac> fta: other reasons than a) often ftbfs ... and b) not enough ppa builders?
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> i should be able to spend more time on these things now i'm not doing backporting for other releases ;)
[23:06] <fta> asac, a/ + b/ + c/ canonical is advocating its lp dailies so there's no need for me to continue spending my time on this + d/
[23:06] <asac> i doubt we can produce lp dailies for mozilla etc. actually for many stuff it wont work in the future
[23:06] <fta> asac, d/ canonical is also advertising the use of upstream binaries, like chrome vs chromium, ff instead of our builds, etc
[23:07] <fta> all in one, that's too much for my taste
[23:07] <asac> when did canonical do that?
[23:07] <fta> read mpt and jorge's blogs
[23:07] <asac> i am sure we are not really advocating use of mozilla binaries
[23:07] <fta> -advertising+advocating
[23:08] <asac> i will talk to jorge face to face about this next week
[23:08] <asac> i doubt that d) is true in general.
[23:08] <fta> and e/ i'm getting all the user complains. i forward some to micahg, but i'm just a middle man now
[23:08] <asac> fta: right. assuming it goes to chrisccoulson i doubt it matters. but you could use a different email etc. for changelogs
[23:09] <asac> or/and a separate bot acccount
[23:10] <fta> asac, it doesn't make sense for me to continue doing that, at least for umd
[23:10] <asac> agreed ... just work on a seemless transition with chrisccoulson. thanks for letting us know
[23:11] <asac> if you could keep nmt enabled that would be fantastic
[23:11] <asac> until we find someone else willing to run that (might happen soon)
[23:11] <fta> c/ is the new buzz jorge and daniel are spreading, so use that instead
[23:12] <asac> well. there is always technology targetting the broad masses ... and stuff that really works ;)
[23:12] <asac> the ftabot is the latter ;)
[23:13] <asac> s/targetting/trying to target/
[23:14] <asac> chrisccoulson: has ffox 4.0 webgl enabled on linux?
[23:14] <asac> i know that upstream doesnt think its ready. just wonder if we could make a special build available
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> asac - if it needs explicitly enabling, then it's not been enabled yet
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> but i don't mind doing that if you think it's worthwhile
[23:14] <asac> heh. i figured that much ;)
[23:15] <fta> i had it working a while ago, not sure it's still there
[23:15] <asac> chrisccoulson: we cant change defaults for official builds for release. so i think it would need to be a special build. i guess i can also steal that for now ;)
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look at that in a bit, and merge some changes from FF3.6 as well
[23:15] <asac> fta: really? that would be amazing. what graphics chipset are you on?
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> (i'm just doing the 3.6.7+build2 updates atm)
[23:15] <fta> nvidia
[23:16] <asac> with nvidia driver? do they support glsl shader language? nice
[23:18] <fta> hm, i dropped the 3.7 transitional packages, now 4.0 is broken
[23:19] <asac> what do you mean?
[23:19] <asac> in the branch? or locally?
[23:19] <fta> lol, everyting is in the transitional deb
[23:19] <asac> heh
[23:19] <asac> that would explain it ;)
[23:20] <fta> root@ix:~ # dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-3.7_4.0~b2~hg20100712r47341+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_i386.deb | grep usr/bin
[23:20] <fta> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/
[23:20] <fta> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/firefox-4.0 -> ../lib/firefox-4.0b2pre/firefox.sh
[23:20] <fta> root@ix:~ # dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-4.0_4.0~b2~hg20100712r47341+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_i386.deb | grep usr/bin
[23:20] <fta> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/
[23:20] <fta> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/abrowser-4.0 -> firefox-4.0
[23:20] <asac> micahg: ^^
[23:20] <fta> FAIL
[23:21] <asac> guess just a few bzr move
[23:21] <yofel> didn't he already fix that?
[23:21]  * asac updates his whole system
[23:21] <asac> could be that its not yet built or fta hasnt updated
[23:22] <asac> "Need to get 679MB of archives."
[23:22] <asac> thats ok
[23:22] <fta> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:22] <asac> so probably the build failed since 12th?
[23:23] <fta> lp sucks, as usual
[23:23] <asac> Show details   firefox-3.7 - 3.7~a6~hg20100629r46385+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid
[23:23] <fta> python rebuild
[23:23] <yofel> no, the ppa builders are so behind that the builds were superseded before being built
[23:23] <asac> Show details   firefox-4.0 - 4.0~b2~hg20100715r47651+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[23:23] <asac> yeah. its waiting for cycles :)
[23:24] <asac> you could go for lpia ... lol
[23:24] <fta> i complained this morning, and said it's unusable
[23:24] <fta> i also said i'll kill the bot
[23:24] <asac> i think htere is a problem
[23:24] <fta> i didn't, but i should
[23:24] <asac> with the scheduler again
[23:24] <yofel> well, they said that the builders just come and go (in #launchpad) - wonder if the found out what's wrong by now...
[23:24] <asac> lots of builders are not utilized
[23:24]  * asac goes hunting in dark territory
[23:27] <asac> lets see seems hour whole soyuz team isnt even there ;)
[23:27] <asac> our
[23:27] <fta> confirmed, webgl works here with ff4.0
[23:27] <fta> and chromium
[23:27] <asac> cool
[23:27] <fta> http://khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Demo_Repository
[23:28] <asac> wonder if mozilla already published there simulater
[23:29] <fta> poof
[23:29] <fta> _usr_lib_firefox-4.0b2pre_firefox-4.0.1000.crash
[23:29] <asac> heh
[23:30] <fta> crashes on http://html5test.com/
[23:31] <fta> shame
[23:32] <fta> corrupted stack, useless
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> fta - i pushed a fix this morning for the symlinks being shipped in the transitional package
[23:39] <yofel> yep, it's not fixed in the ppa package, but using the bzr branch works fine


[05:58] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn and others
[05:58]  * Kilos sees the fly is missing
[05:58] <Kilos> oh my
[05:58] <nlsthzn> morning
[06:09] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings :)
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:18] <Kilos> oh ya smileys for the week
[06:19] <Kilos> :) :-)
[06:24] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[06:27] <bduk1> Good morning Kilos and everyone from a nice and wet Cullinan
[06:27] <Kilos> wonderful hey?
[06:28] <bduk1> Lovely, everytunig clean and fresh
[06:28] <Kilos> its good and clean and fresh tralala
[06:28] <bduk1> Shuut Listen i hear something......
[06:41] <nlsthzn> *burp*
[06:41] <Kilos> hehe
[07:03] <bduk1> Nope the grass is growing and calling the lawnmowers
[07:05] <Kilos> haha
[07:06] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:06] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro on freenode. Im waiting for the answer to what -f does with fsck when you get online again please" 12 hours, 38 minutes and 45 seconds ago
[07:06] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:06] <inetpro> Kilos: where did you get the -f
[07:06] <inetpro> ?
[07:07] <Kilos> from the crash kid when i couldnt fix my external way back then and it works like a charm
[07:07] <Kilos> oh ya morning inetpro
[07:08] <Kilos> have used it from 10.10 to fix later versions that dont boot either
[07:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:10] <Kilos> its one of the few commands that have stuck in the noggin
[07:12] <inetpro> Kilos: Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
[07:12] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:12] <inetpro> if you run 'fsck -h' it tells you
[07:12] <Kilos> where did you find that info?
[07:12] <Kilos> aha
[07:12] <Kilos> gracias amigo
[07:12] <inetpro> no problemos
[07:15] <nlsthzn> man fsck
[07:15] <nlsthzn> >.>
[07:15] <nlsthzn> :p
[07:15] <Kilos> its not in mine
[07:16] <Kilos> ive looked at man a few times to see if i didnt miss it
[07:16]  * Kilos hates man. its written for clever peeps
[07:21] <nlsthzn> but it typically shows all the flags with an explanation...
[07:22] <Kilos> mine doesnt show -f at all in unity or 10.10
[07:22] <Kilos> in 10.10 here now even fsck -h dont show it
[07:24] <Kilos> oh it says invalid option -h
[07:24] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21L8JJWUI
[07:31] <nlsthzn> try --h or --help
[07:31] <Kilos> ok
[07:33] <Kilos> nope but never mind i know now it means force
[07:36] <Kilos> without that i would have done double the number of reinstalls hehe
[08:34] <Squirm> morning
[08:34] <Kilos> hi Squirm  lekker wet?
[08:35] <Kilos> we had 30mm
[08:36] <Kilos> you guys get that daily
[08:36] <Squirm> very much so
[08:36] <Squirm> sun came out for a few hours, now it's becoming overcast and the temp is dropping
[08:36] <Squirm> according to our station we had 25mm, but I've been told that the rain catcher doesn't work very well
[08:37] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for Mooi River
[08:37] <Maaz> Squirm: City not found
[08:37] <Kilos> gotta be out in a nice open area with no trees or buildings close
[08:38] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for Treverton Schools
[08:38] <Squirm> Kilos: it's on top of a chimney, away from anything
[08:38] <Maaz> Squirm: City not found
[08:38] <Kilos> maybe its that site not sharing or adding mooiriver as a city
[08:38] <Squirm> it is though
[08:39] <Kilos> yeah but not sharing
[08:39] <Squirm> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-29.199%2C30.008&sp=IKWAZULU37
[08:39] <Kilos> only letting you see it
[08:39] <Squirm> I can't find any more options
[08:40] <Kilos> is that the link the bots use?
[08:40] <Kilos> not wund.com
[08:47] <Squirm> same thing
[08:48] <Squirm> http://www.wund.com/auto/wund/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=IKWAZULU37
[08:49] <Kilos> aha
[08:50] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for MooiRiver
[08:50] <Maaz> Squirm: City not found
[08:50] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for MooiRivier
[08:50] <Maaz> Squirm: I'm not feeling too well
[08:51] <Kilos> find a forums or something there and ask one of their geeks to sort it
[08:51] <Squirm> so, I did location searches on wudnerground
[08:51] <Squirm> mooi river says city not found
[08:51] <Squirm> mooirivier however, finds the data
[08:52] <Squirm> and it's the only one Maaz doesn't like
[08:52] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for MooiRivier
[08:52] <Squirm> http://www.wund.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=mooirivier
[08:52] <Maaz> Squirm: I'm not feeling too well
[08:52] <Squirm> it works there
[08:53] <Squirm> see
[08:53] <Squirm> not "City not found"
[08:53] <Kilos> yeah
[08:53] <Squirm> but
[08:53] <Squirm> it's still wrong
[08:54] <Kilos> QA, weather in MooiRivier
[08:54] <Squirm> may I should change my weather stations location from Mooi River to Mooirivier
[08:54] <Kilos> yeah and no capitals
[08:54] <Kilos> QA, hi
[08:54] <QA> Kilos: In Estcourt, South Africa at 8:00 AM SAST on October 21, 2013: 17°C; Humidity: 59%; Wind: WSW at 4 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 5:16 AM SAST/6:13 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 8:39 PM SAST/6:48 AM SAST
[08:54] <QA> hoe gaan dit
[08:55] <Kilos> she finds estcourt as close by
[08:55] <Squirm> yeah
[08:55] <Squirm> that's why I think Mooi River != Mooirivier
[08:56] <Kilos> thats half afrikaans
[08:56] <Kilos> rivier should be river
[08:56] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:57] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:43] <Kilos> nlsthzn, with ntfsprogs installed running fsck should then check ntfs drives and partitions without running ntfsfix separately wont it\
[09:44] <Kilos> ntfsfix is in ntfsprogs i read
[09:46] <Squirm> what happened to mirror.ac.za?
[09:47] <Kilos> ask Maaz  if its down
[09:47] <Kilos> whats the link?
[09:47] <Squirm> it is down
[09:47] <Kilos> aw
[09:48] <Squirm> Maaz: is mirror.ac.za down
[09:48] <Maaz> Squirm: Yes, http://mirror.ac.za/ is down (No DNS A/CNAME-records for that domain)
[09:48] <Squirm> what
[09:48] <Squirm> wow
[09:48] <Squirm> ok
[09:48] <Kilos> whew then they gotta fix it
[09:48] <Kilos> Symmetria, wake them up
[09:48] <Kilos> wb superfly
[09:48] <Kilos> and morning
[09:48] <Squirm> Kilos: that to me, means the subdomain has been removed
[09:49] <Kilos> maybe updating or something. i dunno about them things
[09:50] <superfly> Thanks. Dunno what happened there... my server just was no longer responding
[09:50] <Squirm> Maaz: is www.mirror.ac.za down
[09:50] <Maaz> Squirm: No, it's just you
[09:50] <Squirm> hmm
[09:51] <Squirm> that seems to work
[09:51] <Kilos> haha
[09:51]  * Squirm shrugs
[09:51] <Kilos> they maybe rebooted because of power out or something
[09:52] <Squirm> no
[09:52] <Squirm> www.mirror.ac.za works but mirror.ac.za doesn't
[09:52] <Kilos> oh
[09:52] <Squirm> I'm sure it used to though
[09:52] <Kilos> Maaz, google mirror.ac.za
[09:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "mirror.ac.za - Brought to you by TENET" http://www.mirror.ac.za/ :: "Welcome to the UFS mirror - University of the Free State" http://mirror.ufs.ac.za/ :: "Mirrors | UCT LEG" http://www.leg.uct.ac.za/mirrors :: "Ubuntu Mirror | UCT LEG" http://www.leg.uct.ac.za/mirrors/linux/ubuntu :: "Fedora Mirror | UCT LEG" http://www.leg.uct.ac.za/fedora-mirror :: "UCT
[09:52] <Maaz> Linux Enthusiasts Group" http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/ :: "UCT LEG | The University of Cape T…
[09:57] <nlsthzn> Kilos, why you speak geek... I have no idea
[09:58] <Kilos> lol
[09:59] <Kilos> i thought it was you that told me to try ntfsfix
[09:59] <Kilos> sorry
[10:01] <nlsthzn> nope
[10:01] <Kilos> i forget who it was and am on maverick so dont see scrollbacks
[10:02] <Kilos> i find openoffice.org  word processor thing slightly easier to use than libreoffice writer
[10:03] <Kilos> things are too modern for me
[10:09] <nlsthzn> can't see why... the new libre office is AWESOME
[10:10] <Kilos> ya but too clever for me man
[10:10] <Kilos> mind you i will try it again
[10:10] <Kilos> trying to find how to make a book cover
[10:11] <Kilos> oh it was charl that told me about ntfsfix
[10:14] <nlsthzn> there shoudln't be that much of a difference between OO and LO for what you want to do...
[10:16] <Kilos> maybe its because im just starting out for first time, so need to learn first. scribus and LO and OO is too much to get in at once. gotta go the one step at a time route
[10:17] <Kilos> didnt ever think id use any office stuffs
[10:23] <nlsthzn> always something new to learn :) and get frustrated with
[10:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:30] <inetpro> Kilos: there must be very very few differences between OO and LO
[10:30] <inetpro> no point in wasting your bandwidth on downloading OO
[10:30] <Kilos> i have it in maverick inetpro
[10:31] <Kilos> i still love the maverick
[10:31] <inetpro> ahh, that's old man
[10:31] <Kilos> ya ma me too
[10:31] <inetpro> LO just got better
[10:31] <inetpro> not more difficult
[10:34] <nlsthzn> LO 4 is super fast too
[10:38] <Kilos> hmm... bit of rain killed my tower
[10:38] <inetpro> Kilos: 21/10 12:34:03 <nlsthzn> LO 4 is super fast too
[10:38] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see that ^?
[10:38] <Kilos> fast isnt the thing here inetpro
[10:38] <Kilos> nope
[10:38] <inetpro> ai!
[10:38] <nlsthzn> lol
[10:39] <nlsthzn> fast and the same >.>
[10:39] <nlsthzn> and fast
[10:39] <Squirm> it rained again
[10:39] <Squirm> or is still raining
[10:39] <Kilos> ill go try LO again
[10:39] <Kilos> on and off with the odd bit of thunder
[10:40] <Kilos> aw signal shows red again
[10:40] <nlsthzn> here we have had sand with a high likelyhood of more sand
[10:41] <Kilos> emergencies only
[10:41] <Kilos> lol at nlsthzn
[10:42] <Kilos> you lucky its not same as wet rain then when we get hail you would get bricks
[10:42] <nlsthzn> no, we get mud
[10:43] <Kilos> ok i go back to libreoffice, wbb
[10:43] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[10:43] <Maaz> Goats cheese on crackers and a bowl of salad for you fat people
[10:43] <Kilos> ai!
[10:49]  * Kilos came again back
[11:06] <nlsthzn> wb
[11:06] <Kilos> ty
[11:07] <nlsthzn> np
[11:07] <Kilos> haha
[11:08] <Kilos> LO looks a bit easier now i found some stuff on OO
[11:08] <Kilos> one step at a time
[11:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[11:09] <nlsthzn> which version of LO?
[11:09] <Kilos> oh my
[11:09] <Kilos> who knows
[11:09] <Kilos> the version with 12.04
[11:11] <Kilos> letter fax agenda grrr where is the book option
[11:13] <nlsthzn> lol
[11:13] <nlsthzn> what are you trying to do uncle Kilos ?
[11:13] <Kilos> write a book
[11:17] <Kilos> they should make things simple, like with a next page button
[11:18] <Kilos> too involved with buttons and bullets and snaakse stuff
[11:27] <Kilos> like to add a page its insert manual break. why not add a page
[11:27] <Kilos> grrr
[11:28] <nlsthzn> first you write the book... and later you worry about formatting ;)
[11:31] <Kilos> lol
[11:34] <Kilos> i go eat pap and stew with chilli sauce on top
[11:51] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:51] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:55] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[11:55] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[11:57] <Kilos> hi charl_
[12:01] <charl_> hi Kilos
[12:01] <charl_> how's it going
[12:01] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[12:06] <Kilos> ah nlsthzn it be clever. if you hold enter after finished typing in one page it automatically makes more
[12:06] <charl_> i'm good thanks
[12:06] <nlsthzn> interesting
[12:07] <Kilos> i asked poor neelsie something i shoulda asked you charl_
[12:07] <Kilos> i go find it
[12:07] <Kilos> aw on the wrong drive
[12:07] <Kilos> its was
[12:08] <inetpro> Kilos: 21/10 13:28:20 <nlsthzn> first you write the book... and later you worry about formatting ;)
[12:08]  * inetpro agrees with nlsthzn
[12:08] <Kilos> will running fsck do the ntfsfix automatically if you have ntfsprogs installed?
[12:08] <Kilos> write it where inetpro ?
[12:09] <Kilos> im doing it with gedit atm
[12:09] <charl_> hi inetpro
[12:09] <charl_> hi liamT
[12:09] <Kilos> then copy paste
[12:09] <Kilos> hi liamT
[12:09] <inetpro> Kilos: just write your words and sentences as they come in one long page
[12:09] <Kilos> oh my
[12:09] <liamT> hey chaps
[12:10] <Kilos> that could maybe make things easier ya
[12:10] <Kilos> ty guys
[12:10] <inetpro> s/word and sentences/words, sentences and paragraphs/
[12:10] <Kilos> like my blog of old inetpro ?
[12:10] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[12:10] <Kilos> nou reen dit lekker
[12:10] <Kilos> danke
[12:11] <inetpro> but Kilos, if you think about adding too many images then you may want to reconsider using something like scribe
[12:12] <Kilos> no i only want an image on the cover
[12:12] <Kilos> still gotta find how to make a cover
[12:12] <inetpro> start with just the text and worry about image later
[12:12] <Kilos> will do ty
[12:12] <Kilos> yo zerlgi
[12:13] <zerlgi> yo Kilos
[12:13] <Kilos> i still see formatting as wiping a win drive
[12:23] <nlsthzn> install focuswriter uncle Kilos ... it is made for people wanting to write books without distraction...
[12:24] <Kilos> hmm... more to learn
[12:33] <Kilos> eeek
[12:34] <Kilos> full screen so no launcher app switcher in view
[12:36] <Kilos> thats frighening
[12:36] <Kilos> frightening
[12:36] <zerlgi> [alt + tab]
[12:38] <nlsthzn> mouse up and menu appears
[12:38] <nlsthzn> :p
[12:38] <Kilos> whew
[12:39] <Kilos> alt+tab dont work
[12:40] <Kilos> but that mouse up helps so i can close it
[12:41] <Kilos> or must you do the alt+tab inside the brackets
[12:42] <Kilos> hehe
[12:47] <nlsthzn> alt tab should work if there is another application open ;)
[12:48] <Kilos> didnt. i got pidgin xchat and LO open
[12:48] <nlsthzn> that is odd then
[12:49] <Kilos> i dont think ive ever managed to get it to work here
[12:49] <Kilos> not serious im getting LO working slowly
[12:51] <nlsthzn> cool
[12:51] <inetpro> Kilos: what do you mean with "alt+tab dont work"?
[12:53] <Kilos> i run that focus thing and got white screen to type in but only when i found moving mouse up opened the top panel toolbar thing alt tab didnt go to other apps
[12:53] <Kilos> dont work was written in plain english
[12:53] <Kilos> hehe
[12:54] <Kilos> page just stayed white
[12:55] <Kilos> maybe in its settings i can make it not use full screen , will check that out
[12:56] <Kilos> there thats better
[12:56] <inetpro> Kilos: hold down the alt key and press tab multiple times
[12:57] <inetpro> Kilos: you never use that?
[12:57] <Kilos> alt tab brought up a tiny window shownig pidgin and a red X but disappeared before i could do anything
[12:58] <Kilos> focus works fine now the full screen is unticked in settings
[12:59] <Kilos> full page but still see launcher and top panel
[12:59] <inetpro> the point of it is to focus only on writing
[13:00] <Kilos> no man
[13:00] <Kilos> writing requires thinking and thats makes headaches
[13:00] <Kilos> so good to think its bursts
[13:17] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos fails at focuswriter :p
[13:17] <Kilos> nope man it works now
[13:18]  * nlsthzn will be using it in November for the NaNoWriMo
[13:18] <Kilos> btw i watched a program on the idiot bot last night about steve jobs
[13:19] <Kilos> interesting
[13:38] <charl_> the idiot bot, is that the tv?
[13:38] <charl_> hi nlsthzn
[13:46] <Kilos> idiot box sorry
[13:46] <Kilos> ya tv
[14:15] <inetpro> Kilos: how's the weather?
[14:15] <Kilos> sun shining but thunder over the mountain
[14:15]  * inetpro seeing alerts about a massive storm coming from the north
[14:16] <Kilos> there where you stay i thinkd or maybe a bit west
[14:16] <Kilos> yeah thats where its thundering
[14:16] <inetpro> ai!
[14:17] <inetpro> hope my mealies can be spared from the forecasted hail
[14:18] <Kilos> never mind if it hails they grow agan and the extra nitrogen makes them even better
[14:19] <Kilos> hail is magic water unless it knocks peaches off the trees
[14:19] <inetpro> eish man!
[14:20] <inetpro> will have to wait and see
[14:21] <Kilos> yeah we cant control the weather
[14:21] <Kilos> you can also quickly insure your mealies with centraoes
[14:21] <Kilos> hehe
[14:22] <Kilos> then after hail they pay and mealies grow again anyway
[14:22] <Kilos> so pays double
[14:27] <inetpro> ai!
[14:37] <charl_> inetpro: you have a farm?
[14:38] <charl_> whow
[14:38] <inetpro> charl_: just a small plot
[14:39] <charl_> cool, growing you own food is nice
[14:40] <inetpro> gives me a bit of a farmers feel in a big city
[14:40] <charl_> you live on the plot too?
[14:40] <Kilos> still time now inetpro you can plant sweetcorn as well
[14:40] <charl_> that sounds awesome, having a small farm in your back yard
[14:41] <Kilos> yeah
[14:41] <inetpro> Kilos: yep I should plant more now that the rain has started
[14:41]  * nlsthzn goes home
[14:41] <nlsthzn> bye
[14:41] <charl_> ciao nlsthzn
[14:41] <Kilos> but things dont grow lekker here too many bugs and cutworms and things
[14:41] <Kilos> toods nlsthzn
[17:06] <Kilos> inetpro, het jy nat gekry. dit reen nou weer hier
[17:06] <inetpro> Kilos: nope, het tuis geland met slegs 'n paar druppels op die visor
[17:07] <Kilos> moo9i
[17:07] <inetpro> en die hael het gelukkig weggebly hier
[17:07] <Kilos> mooi ook
[17:07] <Kilos> dit sous hier nou
[17:07] <Kilos> 34mm so ver van dit gister begin het
[17:07] <inetpro> ja ek hoor die gerol van die donderweer in die verte
[17:07] <inetpro> nice!
[17:08] <Kilos> gras gaan nou soos bossies groei
[17:08] <Kilos> hehe
[17:08] <inetpro> ons het maar sowat 23mm gehad vanaf Saterdag
[17:08] <inetpro> maar dit sal ook baie help
[17:09] <Kilos> ja
[17:43] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[17:44] <inetpro> Kilos: jy't al die waters vir jouself gevat?
[18:13] <Kilos> hahaha dankie man
[18:13] <Kilos> gewoonlik kry jy twee keer so veel as ons
[18:14] <Kilos> im sure mage didnt even come online the weekend
[18:15] <Kilos> inetpro, ons het skape om te voer man
[18:16] <Kilos> o ja wat gebeiur met jou hoenders en die ape
[18:16] <Kilos> gebeur
[18:41] <Squirm> evening
[18:42] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: die hoenders is darem weer rustig
[18:44] <inetpro> twee henne met sowat 12 kuikens elk
[18:44] <Kilos> apie weg inetpro ?
[18:44] <Kilos> mooi
[18:44] <inetpro> weet nie wat van hom geword het nie
[18:44] <Kilos> jy boer weer vorentoe
[18:45] <Kilos> iemand het hom seker gepot
[18:45] <Kilos> lyk of reen klaar is nou hier
[18:46] <inetpro> wow, nou eers?
[18:46] <Kilos> goed geval net nou
[18:46] <inetpro> mooi!
[18:46] <Kilos> ja dit moet nou naby 40mm wees
[18:46] <inetpro> ons het maar 'n paar druppeltjies gehad vanaand
[18:46] <Kilos> sal more kyk
[18:46] <Kilos> ai! shame man
[19:02] <inetpro> nog donderweer?
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro, hier begin dit weer storm
[19:03] <Kilos> hehe
[19:03] <Kilos> het jy gehoor?
[19:03] <Kilos> dit reen weer saggies
[19:03] <inetpro> yep
[19:03] <inetpro> interessante weer
[19:03] <Kilos> ya
[19:04] <inetpro> baie koel vanaand
[19:04] <Kilos> ja
[19:04] <Kilos> koud more 24°c
[19:05] <inetpro> 24 is lekker
[19:07] <Kilos> nee man 34 is lekker
[19:08] <inetpro> sjoe, nee dis te warm
[19:08] <Kilos> ai!
[19:09] <Kilos> nou sous dit weer
[19:11] <inetpro> hmm... steeds niks hier
[19:11] <Kilos> dit moet nog daar val vanaand
[19:12] <Kilos> kannie net hier reen nie
[19:12] <inetpro> hoop maar dit kom nog
[19:13] <Kilos> ja
[19:21] <Kilos> klaar nou
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: hier kom hy nou
[19:31] <Kilos> mooi
[19:32] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you
[19:32] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[19:33] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[19:33] <Kilos> night my friend


[16:07] <nik90> Is it too early to switch to ubuntu 16.04 for app development? I need a stable system for regular use.
[16:08] <nik90> or should I stay with 14.04?
[16:09] <JanC> 16.04 certainly isn't stable yet
[16:10] <nik90> usually with LTS I upgrade while it reaches its first beta at which point I have had positive experiences
[16:11] <JanC> it will usually work well from that point on, yes
[16:11] <JanC> although breakage isn't impossible  :)
[16:12] <JanC> if you want something newer than 14.04 there is always 15.10 too
[16:13] <nik90> hmm yes
[17:49] <rbnswartz> I'm trying to create a scope in javascript but I can't get it to run. I'm getting the following message unity-js-scopes-tool: Command not found. Although if I go to a terminal I can run that command just fine.
[17:49] <rbnswartz> any ideas?
[19:47] <rbnswartz> I'm having issues getting a scope to run using the sdk. Is anyone around that can help?
[20:08] <rbnswartz> any appdevs around that can help with a problem createing a scope with the sdk?
[23:20] <rbnswartz> any appdevs around that can help with a problem creating a scope with the sdk?


[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[09:36] <UndiFineD> i hope so
[13:25] <markjones> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocq6_3-nEw&feature=youtu.be
[13:33] <aakshay> Ronnie: hi ... :)
[13:34] <Ronnie> hey aakshay, currently busy, i can answer only some quick questions..
[13:34] <aakshay> Ronnie: no worries.. will catch you later then.. have to discuss about the code you have provided.. :p
[13:35] <Ronnie> ok, great
[13:36] <aakshay> Ronnie: meanwhile let me try again to fix it
[13:36] <aakshay> :)
[14:15] <dhaya> hai every body!
[14:15] <dhaya> any one here!
[14:16] <dholbach> y  e  s
[14:16] <dhaya> hello
[14:16] <dholbach> 85 people including you :)
[14:17] <dhaya> where a u?
[14:17] <dhaya> i am from india
[14:17] <dholbach> Berlin, Germany
[14:17] <dhaya> oh
[14:17] <dhaya> i am 15 aged boy
[14:18] <dhaya> hello moylan!
[14:18] <dhaya> dholbach ru there?
[14:19] <dholbach> yes, I'm still here
[14:21] <dholbach> but I have to leave for a bit now - see you later
[15:48] <hackjack> hi
[15:49] <hackjack> i m a noob linux user can any 1 tell me da power of linux
[15:50] <dhaya> hello
[15:50] <hackjack> hi
[15:50] <dhaya> are u there?
[15:50] <hackjack> dhaya where do u belong
[15:50] <dhaya> i 'm a indian ur?
[15:51] <hackjack> me 2
[15:51] <hackjack> which state
[15:51] <dhaya> u tell 1st
[15:51] <dhaya> hai
[15:51] <hackjack>  mumbai
[15:51] <dhaya> i'm tmailnadu
[15:51] <hackjack> n u
[15:52] <dhaya> tamilnadu
[15:52] <hackjack> nice 2 meet u
[15:52] <hackjack> what do u do
[15:52] <dhaya> u tell 1st
[15:52] <hackjack> wat is going on man i m asking u ques n u r asking me dat same
[15:53] <dhaya> thum hondi maem bolo yaar
[15:53] <dhaya> sorry hindi maem bolo
[15:54] <dhaya> any one there
[15:54] <dhaya> hello
[15:55] <dhaya> ok bye bye good night
[15:58] <dhaya> hello are there anyone?
[16:10] <JanC> hello dhaya
[16:10] <dhaya> HAI
[16:11] <dhaya> HELLO JANC
[16:12] <JanC> are you a member of the ubuntu-in locoteam ?
[16:12] <dhaya> NOT YET CAN I JOIN IN YOUR TEAM?
[16:12] <JanC> I am not from India, but you should be able to join the Indian team
[16:13] <JanC> I suppose nigelb knows more about ubuntu-in
[16:13] <dhaya> I CANT
[16:13] <dhaya> I AM A NEW USER
[16:13] <JanC> new users can join a locoteam too
[16:14] <dhaya> I I HAVE MANY DOUBTS
[16:14] <JanC> oh, and you should not write in ALLCAPS all the time...
[16:14] <dhaya> WHO R U AND WHERE R U?
[16:14] <leoquant> lol
[16:14] <dhaya> ok ok
[16:15] <JanC> and write English words in full, not "R U" etc.  ☺
[16:15] <dhaya> sorry ok
[16:15] <JanC> anyway, I'm in Belgium
[16:15] <dhaya> wow
[16:15] <dhaya> i am an indian
[16:16] <dhaya> hey dhol bach are u there?
[16:17] <dhaya> are u there nigelb
[16:18] <dhaya> ok bye bye
[16:41] <nigelb> that was interesting.
[16:46] <Ronnie> dhaya: aakshay and trickyj are indian too, but both are offline at the moment
[17:09] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, Hi
[17:11] <Ronnie> het TrickyJ
[17:11] <Ronnie> pfff
[19:00] <shahriar86> good day everyone
[19:02] <tarunno> Hello evryone
[20:20] <bassem_lap> Hello all,
[20:20] <bassem_lap> Can we have a mailing list for our LoCo other than the one hosted in ubuntu server?
[20:20] <serfus> hey
[20:21] <serfus> bassem, you can set a mailing list on launchpad
[20:21] <bassem_lap> serfus, we already have a running mailling list on meetup website!
[20:23] <bassem_lap> http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/messages/archive/
[20:23] <serfus> so i didn't understand your question correctly
[20:24] <bassem_lap> serfus, is ok to do that, or it's policy to have it on ubuntu servers!
[20:26] <serfus> bassem_lap, oh, i understand, it's not a requirement to have your mailing list on ubuntu lists
[20:26] <serfus> you can have it where ever you would like
[20:26] <bassem_lap> serfus, great thank you :-)
[20:26] <serfus> welcome
[20:27] <czajkowski> bassem_lap: why the need to change though ?
[20:48] <bassem_lap> czajkowski, we don't want to change, I'm just want to be sure that it's ok to have mailing list not hosted in ubuntu's server!
[20:49] <cjohnston> Ronnie: ping
[20:50] <cjohnston> daker_: ping as well
[21:18] <cjohnston> Daviey: ping
[22:50] <Ronnie> cjohnston: pong


[10:17] <Clockworker> ah ok and then i dont like it only remove this package? ^^
[10:18] <Red_Herring> hm, in theory
[10:18] <Red_Herring> but i gotta make sure of something
[10:18] <Red_Herring> you DO realize that kubuntu and ubuntu can live side by side?
[10:18] <Red_Herring> i mean, i have GNOME ubuntu and KDE kubuntu dapper installed now
[10:18] <Red_Herring> and i love it
[10:19] <Red_Herring> and it takes up an additional 1gb
[10:19] <Clockworker> hehe xp only need up to 2gb xD
[10:19] <Clockworker> have you xgl install, too?
[10:20] <Red_Herring> yeah, but dont waste your time
[10:20] <Red_Herring> its ultra buggy
[10:20] <ubuntu> hi
[10:20] <Clockworker> ok Red_Herring so you think its better to say apt-get install kde (with apps)
[10:20] <Red_Herring> i think its best so apt-get install kubuntu-deskto
[10:20] <Red_Herring> *desktop
[10:20] <ubuntu> running in a dapper livecd, i can't get sound in kaffeine - is there a easy way to fix that?
[10:20] <Red_Herring> but that gives you ALL of kubuntu
[10:21] <Clockworker> ok thx Red_Herring i try now ;)
[10:21] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: wait
[10:21] <Clockworker> ok :)
[10:21] <Red_Herring> if you just want KDE without the kubuntu login screen and all
[10:21] <Red_Herring> go with the package kde
[10:21] <sredna|dapper> otherwise sound seems to work fine, i do have system sounds
[10:22] <Red_Herring> sredna|dapper: no clue off the top of my head
[10:22] <Clockworker> so i will now enter apt-get install kde right?
[10:22] <cyberserver> people, I am thinking on setting up a new system base on AMD Athlon64 or Athlon 64x2. Anyone has good motherboard references for this? I was thinking of Asus A8N-VM/A8N-VM CSM but I read numerous problems with nvidia mb (IDE, Network,Sound) and Linux..
[10:22] <Red_Herring> Clockworker: if you want, but the kubuntu artwork is great
[10:22] <Red_Herring> i would suggest kubuntu-desktop, which gives you kde and all of the kubuntu artwork
[10:23] <Red_Herring> but thats up to you
[10:23] <Red_Herring> cyberserver: i have the Asus A8N SLI
[10:23] <Red_Herring> it works 100%
[10:23] <Clockworker> kk if its only the login screen... mh ok gnome work than too right?
[10:23] <Red_Herring> gnome will work
[10:23] <Red_Herring> but for some odd reason about half of it will be kubuntu blue
[10:23] <sredna|dapper> hm, i have a System->QParted, but no such command
[10:24] <Clockworker> k fine thx
[10:24] <cyberserver> Red_Herring: Hmmm... ok... I think that one has nforce4 chipset...
[10:24] <cyberserver> Red_Herring: thx
[10:24] <Red_Herring> cyberserver: you have nforce3?
[10:25] <sredna|dapper> ah, i do have it
[10:25] <dragonkh> anyone running dapper ? is it ok to switch to it?
[10:25] <dragonkh> or is it constantly broken still ?
[10:26] <nalioth> dragonkh: ask in #ubuntu+1 (see the /topic)
[10:26] <OdyX> dragonkh: it is testing version...
[10:26] <OdyX> so it can break at any moment...
[10:27] <cyberserver> I'm still googling to find out what to buy. The MB's I mentioned have something called geforce6100+nforce410 and geforce6150+nforce430, instead on nforce4
[10:27] <_jeff> hey guys
[10:27] <_philipp> when i run k3bsetup is just get an empty window with ok apply and cancel. But I cant do anything in this windows. No setup... Why and what can I do against it??
[10:28] <yanncrash> ca fait super plaisir pouvoir se connecter
[10:28] <_philipp> i can also select help and defaults. But no chance to change anything
[10:28] <OdyX> yanncrash: englische plise :D
[10:28] <_jeff> does anybody know how to suggest things to KDE developers?
[10:28] <cyberserver> people, I am thinking on setting up a new system base on AMD Athlon64 or Athlon 64x2. Anyone has good motherboard references for this? I was thinking of Asus A8N-VM/A8N-VM CSM but I read numerous problems with nvidia mb (IDE, Network,Sound) and Linux..
[10:28] <OdyX> _jeff: => #kde?
[10:29] <yanncrash> i search the same canal but in french
[10:29] <yanncrash> i search the canal for kubuntu french
[10:30] <heinkel_111> try #kubuntu-fr ?
[10:30] <yanncrash> thanks
[10:30] <heinkel_111> de rien :)
[10:30] <nalioth> !fr
[10:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:31] <_jeff> odyx: ok ill try that
[10:31] <_jeff> odyx: thanks
[10:31] <_philipp> !de
[10:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[10:32] <_root> `p
[10:32] <_philipp> ever heard of that k3b prob?
[10:33] <heinkel_111> ehich k3b problem?
[10:33] <heinkel_111> which k3b problem?
[10:33] <heinkel_111> I have a k3b problem! You can have my problem if you want....
[10:47] <_jeff> all who think kubuntu is great say 'I':
[10:47] <_jeff> *I
[10:47] <OdyX> "I"
[10:47] <_jeff> lol
[10:48] <batter_> I :D
[10:48] <dragonkh> I
[10:48] <_jeff> how do you make those? ^
[10:48] <_jeff> lol
[10:48] <OdyX> _jeff: those?
[10:48] <_jeff> yeah
[10:48] <OdyX> like /me says something ?
[10:48] <_jeff> yeah
[10:49] <OdyX> that's it
[10:49] <dragonkh> do you remember the slap command ?
[10:49] <dragonkh> that was fun
[10:49] <dragonkh> hehe
[10:49] <_jeff> lol
[10:49] <OdyX> slap ?
[10:49] <OdyX> I don't
[10:49] <_jeff> ?
[10:50] <dragonkh> back in the day - say 8 years ago
[10:50] <dragonkh> it started IRC wars !
[10:50] <_jeff> lol
[10:50] <OdyX> 8 years ?
[10:50] <dragonkh> the wet fish slap
[10:50] <dragonkh> yeah back in um 1998 ish
[10:51] <Petecakes> I'm trying to edit the date/time, and when I right click on the time in the taskbar and select "Edit Date/Time" I'm presented with a prompt for the root password. When I click Ignore, the editor for the date/time comes up but I can't do anything (as I would expect), but when I enter the root password (which I know is correct) nothing happens. Any ideas?
[10:51] <_jeff> hm
[10:51] <dragonkh> Petecakes: put in your user name
[10:52] <dragonkh> password
[10:52] <dragonkh> and not the root one
[10:52] <Petecakes> dragonkh; I'll go try that, brb.
[11:06] <_philipp> when I start k3b ist says: "Since Linux kernel 2.6.8 cdrecord will not work when run suid root " How do I get rid off suid root?
[11:06] <_philipp> must be a simple command
[11:09] <_philipp> sudo chmod -s /usr/bin/cdrecord*   did it.
[11:09] <sredna|dapper> why would a part of my harddisk be 'unusable'?
[11:11] <_mindspin> sredna|dapper: maybe "too much partitions"
[11:11] <_mindspin> you can have only 4 normal partitions on an ide disk
[11:11] <sredna|dapper> _mindspin: how can i change that?
[11:12] <_mindspin> if there's space left its "unusable"
[11:12] <frank23> sredna|dapper: are you partitioning now?
[11:12] <_mindspin> make one partition an "extended" parttition wherin you can make further logical partitions
[11:12] <sredna|dapper> frank23: no, i was looking to utilize that 10G unused space to install kubuntu
[11:13] <sredna|dapper> so i wanted to create a partition on it
[11:13] <frank23> sredna|dapper: that 10G was unpartitioned? why?
[11:13] <_mindspin> how many parttitions do you have without that 10 Gb
[11:13] <sredna|dapper> the disk have 4 partitions
[11:14] <_mindspin> then the 10 GB will be unusable no matter linux or win
[11:14] <sredna|dapper> _mindspin: then why does fdisk tell me i can have up to 63 partitions on a ide disk?
[11:15] <frank23> sredna|dapper: maybe you'll have to delete one partition and create it again.   4 primary max. many logical partitions possible
[11:15] <_mindspin> only if you use extended partition as partition type
[11:15] <sredna|dapper> one of the partitions is a very small /boot partition, i could copy that into the place i use for root
[11:17] <_mindspin> that could be a way but you have to install the bootmanager in the mbr then afaik
[11:20] <sredna|dapper> hm, a trap
[11:25] <sredna|dapper> kubuntu livecd appears not totab with my harddisks
[11:50] <km0ti0n> I just have added my old ntfs IDE as a slave on IDE0.   how od I mount it?
[11:50] <km0ti0n> s/od/do
[11:51] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/something
[11:51] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: mkdir /mnt/ntfs; mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs
[11:51] <JohnFlux> to be more precise
[11:52] <km0ti0n> sweet, that's mounted it.
[11:52] <km0ti0n> only root has access tho.
[11:53] <km0ti0n>  it's ro isn't it?  Who would I beable to alow a non root user to access it?
[11:53] <root_> Hey guys, I just upgraded to Dapper, and now "Run" isnt working
[11:53] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: yeah somehow, but it's a pain - i can't remember how
[11:53] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: man mount
[11:53] <km0ti0n> ok thanks for your help
[11:53] <JohnFlux> km0ti0n: uuid  option or something
[11:53] <JohnFlux> and guid
[11:59] <root_> Does anyone think they know some sort of solution
[12:01] <km0ti0n> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /windows/C -t ntfs -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[12:01] <km0ti0n> thanks again JohnFlux.
[12:01] <Cilindrador> anyone here using SCIM/SKIM ?
[12:02] <fatejudger> is anyone able to change KDM themes in Flight 5 with the latest updates?


[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[14:58] <marcoceppi> good morning dholbach
[14:58] <dholbach> hey marcoceppi
[14:58] <dholbach> marcoceppi, did you just say Hi or was that a "your hangout starts soon" ping?
[14:58] <dholbach> I'm not sure if I ended up the calendar already, because this week I won't get around to doing hangouts :)
[15:05] <marcoceppi> I just said hi, because the last 8 days you've said good morning and it seems like no one has replied :)
[16:21] <dholbach> :-)
[16:21]  * dholbach hugs marcoceppi