[01:03] <ScottL> astraljava, no, audacity is meant to be there, but i haven't really looked at the seeds yet
[01:04] <ScottL> i plan to this weekend, to add lowlatency kernel as well along with some photography apps
[01:04] <ScottL> len-nb, what other apps do you want
[01:05] <len-nb> ScottL, it would be nice if there was a text editor like nano, and take a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PrecisePangolin/MissingPackages#preview
[01:08] <len-nb> We were talking about dvdstyler as well. I looked at the other one qdvdmaster? (I'm not sure but it was listed in the workflows) It doesn't seem to be in the repo... synaptic doesn't find it.
[01:09] <len-nb> ScottL, I just went through the workflows and listed all the apps that I found missing. I am not sure we should include them all though.
[01:10] <len-nb> That was one of the things we were supposed to talk about at our missed meetings I think
[01:11] <ScottL> len-nb, no, i don't want to include all of them, don't want to make _everyone_ download all apps for workflows that only a few actually want (or thought of)
[01:21] <len-nb> I think there should be at least one good workflow in each of our areas. One full sound, one full graphics, one full video and one full photography.
[01:22] <len-nb> ScottL, each of them should be a start to finish work flow. I can't see any other way to make the live dvd really shine.
[01:23] <len-nb> That is why I thought there should be something that can print a video to dvd.
[01:24] <len-nb> I think the audio side of things is pretty complete already.... it seems most of us are musicians...
[01:24] <CFHowlett> I could do a podcast workflow if one of you can direct me to the expected template ...
[01:24] <len-nb>  I can't tell if the photography and graphics sections have something reasonable though.
[01:25] <len-nb> CFHowlett, I think Scott wants to have workflows that can be installed after the iso install.
[01:26] <CFHowlett> fair enough
[01:27] <len-nb> I think the idea is to have a workflow installer that can load new owrkflows. So we would be looking for a podcast workflow as a meta at some point but not as part of the distro iso.
[01:27] <CFHowlett> len-nb   ah I see I must have misunderstood - "tutorial" is the better term for what I can contribute.
[01:30] <len-nb> Ah, so you mean using the apps we already have. I think our plans for docs is on line. So that would probably work fine.
[01:34] <len-nb> CFHowlett, Probably a tutorial that uses apps we don't include would be ok too.
[01:35] <CFHowlett> len-nb   let me think about that - I was planning to do one for audacity
[01:39] <len-nb> CFHowlett, We are planning to include audacity anyway. The one person I know who does podcasts wants to be able to use skype to phone someone and be able to record the interview. We don't ship skype (non-free) but it uses PA and we do ship a PA-jack bridge
[01:40] <len-nb> My gmail account includes a phone app too.
[06:38] <astraljava> ScottL: Ok, I added audacity, just in case you get busy or something, at least that can be tested.
[06:39] <CFHowlett> oooh tytytytyty!
[06:39] <CFHowlett> :)
[06:43] <astraljava> micahg: Can you please update meta when you have time, so this change becomes effective. Thanks!
[06:50] <astraljava> CFHowlett: Micah is about to, if hasn't already, entering into his day off, so it'll happen on Sunday the earliest. That means audacity will appear on the images the soonest on Monday. So, hold your horses. :)
[06:51] <CFHowlett> astraljava   putting down special coffee cup now and waiting patiently.
[06:51] <astraljava> CFHowlett: Just remember to breathe every now and then.
[06:52] <CFHowlett> :)
[06:53] <CFHowlett> Since I only install LTS, I get excited every few years...
[06:53] <CFHowlett> NOT every 6 months.
[06:53] <astraljava> I'm sorry for your wife... *groans*
[06:55] <CFHowlett> astraljava  ha!  not to worry - don't have one.
[06:56] <astraljava> :)
[20:24] <tehowe> I was wondering,
[20:26] <tehowe> is the alternate install iso going to be supported this time around? I see last build was in January. If a beta quality build was turned into an ISO, I'd be interested in testing it.
[20:32] <ScottL> tehowe, there is a live-dvd iso available for beta testing
[20:32] <ScottL> tehowe, we will most likely discontinue the alternate images going forward
[21:13] <tehowe> ScottL: But how will users take advantage of the privacy of a LUKS installation?
[21:14] <tehowe> ScottL: Or, will it be possible to seamlessly add Ubuntu Studio's near-RT kernel and meta packages to reg'lar Ubuntu?
[21:17] <jussi> tehowe: it will
[21:24] <ScottL> falktx_,
[21:25] <ScottL> falktx_, ping
[21:25] <falktx_> ScottL: pong
[21:26] <ScottL> falktx_, would you still help me with getting a few themes into our package?
[21:26] <ScottL> i have one (or two) from dick macinnis and our old one ported to gtk3
[21:27] <ScottL> i think it will be nice to include them
[21:28]  * ScottL is running to the store for about forty minutes
[21:28] <falktx_> ScottL: isn't it already too late for it?
[21:29] <tehowe> jussi: Oh, cool. So I guess to get the full Ubuntu-Studio experience I'd add those, and then the studio desktop, what is it LXDE or something
[21:33] <tehowe> As soon as that's possible (due to state of repositories, etc) I'd like to take a crack at it and out together a how-to as I think it's important to have LUKS
[21:49] <falktx_> ScottL: what is missing/needs to be done currently?
[22:42] <len-nb> ScottL
[22:43] <len-nb> Tried todays iso.
[22:43] <len-nb> menu logo still has white background
[22:43] <knome> hurr durr
[22:43] <len-nb> Audacity is now there
[22:44] <len-nb> I have sent email to the list with a clear backgrounded logo.
[22:44] <knome> len-nb, is that exported from svg?
[22:44] <len-nb> No.
[22:44] <knome> apparently not...
[22:45] <knome> i shall do that
[22:45] <len-nb> There are three files the svg is clear the two pngs are not
[22:45] <knome> what size png's would you need?
[22:45] <len-nb> checkn the mail list. I have done one there
[22:46] <knome> only that one sizE?
[22:46] <len-nb> That was the one scott had in there, I just took the white out
[22:46] <knome> okay
[22:48] <len-nb> There is a second logo png as well, I didn't do that one, so it is still white background. I don't know if its size is different or not.
[22:48] <knome> could you check that?
[22:49] <len-nb> Can I download it from the LP page?
[22:49] <knome> or just point me to the LP page
[22:50] <len-nb> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio/files/head:/usr/share/pixmaps/
[22:50] <knome> okay, thanks
[22:51] <len-nb> it would be ubuntustudio-logo.png that is still white BG
[22:51] <knome> yup
[22:51] <len-nb> plus the one I sent
[22:54] <len-nb> knome: Those ones on LP are fine. Maybe they just haven't made it to the pkg yet
[22:54] <knome> hmm.
[22:54] <len-nb> I thought the pkg got remade automatically
[22:55] <len-nb> Those were fixed on the 8th
[22:55] <knome> no, not from LP
[22:56] <len-nb> That would be why then.
[22:57] <len-nb> ScottL had mentioned he had fixed it which is why I thought I would check the iso. Also to see if audacity made it (it did).


[22:29] <pfak> I'm looking for a way to append to a job instead of overriding a job, is this possible?


[11:19] <KuriKai> does anyone know if there will be a menu that shows what programs are running in the background? e.g. gnome-do, gloobus...
[16:17] <qense> good afternoon
[16:26] <qense> tedg: Could you please have a look at <https://code.launchpad.net/~qense/indicator-application/doc-intro-fixes/+merge/25835>?
[16:26] <qense> It doesn't fix the Mono bindings, but it does fix some other things.
[16:44] <tedg> qense, Yeah, looks good.  I was a bit confused with the status name changes, but now I realize what you did :)
[16:44] <qense> yeah
[16:44] <qense> Now they're using a way that the generators of GObject can find as well.
[16:44] <tedg> qense, About changing the assemblies directory, have you talked to hyperair about that?  I know that he did some work in getting those dirs cleaned up.
[16:44] <qense> tedg: That was the exact change he made afaik.
[16:44] <tedg> qense, Ah, okay.  I see.
[16:49] <qense> tedg: Thanks!
[17:01]  * hyperair wonders what that was about
[17:01] <jcastro> tedg: hey since qense is here
[17:01] <jcastro> can we talk about the fixes to app indicator so we can finish off gnome-bt, etc?
[17:01] <qense> jcastro: that'd be fine with me
[17:02] <qense> hyperair: I changed the Makefile to install in lib/cli rather than just lib
[17:02] <hyperair> ah cool.
[17:02] <qense> that's all for the hyperair-related changes
[17:03] <tedg> jcastro, Cool.  The big one is getting bratsche's GTK+ patch for add/remove signals backported into Lucid.
[17:03] <hyperair> i see.
[17:03] <jcastro> tedg: do we want it in lucid?
[17:03] <jcastro> tedg: it works in lucid, I was thinking forward for maverick
[17:03] <seb128> tedg, jcastro: I've the gtk change ready for lucid
[17:03] <tedg> jcastro, yes.  We need to get gnome-bt in a better state.
[17:03] <seb128> but it doesn't work
[17:04] <tedg> :(
[17:04] <seb128> or it requires gnome-bt changes
[17:04] <qense> Who did gnome-bt?
[17:04] <bratsche> Nafai I think?
[17:05] <qense> How's he doing? I heard he had some health problems?
[17:05] <bratsche> Oh, I didn't know that. :(
[17:05] <qense> Read it on Twitter.
[17:06] <qense> I'll search for the gnome-bt bug report to see if it contains any details.
[17:06] <qense> jcastro: Who'll be doing hplip?
[17:08] <seb128> qense, bug #558841
[17:08] <jcastro> qense: not sure yet
[17:08] <qense> ah
[17:08] <qense> seb128: thanks. I was looking at bug #497856, but that's not about the issue.
[17:09] <seb128> qense, tedg: you can get gtk with bratsche's change in the ubuntu-desktop ppa if you want
[17:10] <qense> seb128: I'd love to be powerful enough to have access to the ubuntu-desktop, but unfortunately I'm a mere mortal. :)
[17:10] <seb128> it would be useful if somebody could look why gnome-bt still doesn't work
[17:10] <seb128> qense, it's a public ppa?
[17:10]  * qense is reading the bug report right now
[17:10] <seb128> just add it to your sources.list?
[17:10] <qense> seb128: Ah, the other thing you can do with a PPA, of course.
[17:10] <seb128> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[17:12] <seb128> tedg, qense: if somebody can confirm the gtk there works we can get it in lucid updates
[17:12] <qense> bratsche, seb128: What about the issue mentioned in comment 22? Is that related to the bug we're talking about?
[17:12] <qense> seb128: I'll give it a try.
[17:12]  * tedg doesn't have working bluetooth in his new laptop... :(
[17:12] <tedg> It's going to be hard for me to verify it working.
[17:12] <qense> seb128: But doesn't libappindicator needs changes to use the newly created 'add' signal?
[17:12] <qense> bratsche: ^^ ?
[17:13] <qense> seb128: Also, the latest patch is <http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=162132>, isn't it?
[17:13] <seb128> qense, look to the bugzilla.gnome.org bug, the change has been updated
[17:13] <seb128> right
[17:14] <qense> good :)
[17:14] <seb128> the ppa build has the new one
[17:15] <qense> installing the new GTK+ right now
[17:16] <qense> But I do think that it won't have any effect as long as nothing is listening to the new signals.
[17:17] <seb128> right
[17:17] <seb128> what should listen to it though?
[17:17] <seb128> is that something ted ish?
[17:17] <seb128> tedg, ^
[17:17] <qense> That's definitely something tedish.
[17:18] <seb128> so not gnome-bt?
[17:19] <qense> Well, the bug is about the menu not updating correctly when changes to it have been made, right?
[17:19] <seb128> yes
[17:19] <seb128> I'm not sure it's the software code that should do the update or the indicator
[17:19] <qense> In that case it is an issue in GTK+ for the new signals and in libappindicator for using those signals.
[17:20] <qense> We're listening to several signals from GTK+ to update parts of the menu and we should add this signal to the signals we're checking.
[17:20] <seb128> tedg, ^ can you confirm that's right?
[17:20] <seb128> seems to make sense
[17:20] <seb128> but I want to be sure before pushing gtk
[17:22] <qense> Pushing GTK+ won't make a different just now, iirc. At the moment we can only test if this change doesn't break anything else.
[17:25] <seb128> qense, right, but if that's required to fix libindicator so we need to get it first in lucid so we can start now
[17:25] <qense> yes
[17:25] <qense> But we can't confirm yet if the signal behaves properly.
[17:26] <seb128> indeed
[17:26] <seb128> so let's wait for you or ted to come with the indicator change
[17:27] <seb128> so we can confirm if it's working
[17:27] <seb128> I will get the change in maverick meanwhile so it will help testing
[17:27] <qense> I'm running the new GTK+ right now and now system crashes yet.
[17:28] <qense> I've restarted the indicator-application-service and plugged my Bluetooth adapter in afterwards and I am still able to confirm the bug.
[17:28] <qense> no crashes
[17:28] <seb128> "now"
[17:28] <seb128> or "no"?
[17:28] <qense> no
[17:28] <seb128> ok
[17:29] <seb128> better ;-)
[17:29] <seb128> right, I can confirm the bug is still there
[17:34] <qense> seb128: Shall I open a bug task for the indicator-application source package and the indicator-application project?
[17:35] <seb128> qense, if you are sure it's the right source to connect the signal yes
[17:36] <qense> Will do and then it's dinner time!
[17:36] <seb128> thanks
[17:36] <seb128> enjoy dinner
[17:36] <qense> thanks
[23:02] <kermiac> hi tedg :) Did you get my email re the indicator-applet apport hook? - bug 583174


[00:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> clear
[02:04] <dream1> bonsoir unn francais !
[02:15] <LAcan> salut #ubuntu-fr
[02:15] <LAcan> err oops
[02:15] <LAcan> wrong channel
[02:15] <LAcan> mauvaise chaine ?
[02:45] <sagaci> any plans to make the grub boot menu have a bluey background
[02:48] <KM0201> sagaci: you should be able to do that on your own
[02:48] <KM0201> if you really want to.
[03:03] <sagaci> ok I'll see how this gors
[03:03] <sagaci> goes*
[03:21] <mikedep333> hey, is there a summary of the lxde.org domain name / website status?
[04:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> there is a delay in application launch.  is there a way to speed application launches up?
[04:12] <Semitones> Hey could we change the installer next year so it tells you you can keep your old /home if you choose manual install, and set your old partition as root without clicking format?
[04:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> if your doing manual installation, this is something you'd know anyway?
[04:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> did you loose /home?
[04:27] <Semitones> no I just foolishly made another partition and installed to there
[04:27] <Semitones> because I didn't know what I wanted to do was possible
[04:27] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah
[04:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> manual install, carve out 1024mb for swap, at end, 10240 for / partion at beggining and then select remaining in the middle as /home (ext3)
[04:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> er, manual partitioning
[05:04] <Semitones> Ahmuck-Jr, apparently you don't need a home partition
[05:04] <Semitones> if you tell the installer to install over your old / partition, but without format, then it deletes everything that's not /home or /usr/local
[05:04] <Semitones> or so i was told in #ubuntu
[05:14] <Ahmuck-Jr> that is correct
[05:14] <Ahmuck-Jr> you need to set up a seperate primary partition
[05:14] <Ahmuck-Jr> if you have everything in / then you'd need to do a backup first
[05:15] <Ahmuck-Jr> so, three primary partitions, / /home /swap
[05:15] <Ahmuck-Jr> ext3
[05:16] <KM0201> Semitones: hmm, i didn't know that (that if you don't format, it doesn't format /home)
[05:16] <KM0201> i never keep /home on a separate partition anyway
[05:17] <Semitones> KM0201, I used to, and I had a separate /boot as well, but with grub2 that wasn't necessary anymore
[05:17] <KM0201> ya
[05:20] <mr-rich> Ok ... minimal install is done ... /proc/meminfo looks good & df shows 20% if disk space is used ...
[05:20] <mr-rich> However ...
[05:21] <mr-rich> upon reboot, I have what looks like X starting ... It's just a screen with a blinking cursor on it ...
[05:22] <mr-rich> I used CTRL-ALT-F2 to get to a terminal ... as far as I can tell, X doesn't appear to be running ...
[05:23] <mr-rich> I assume I continue the lubuntu install from CLI?
[05:26] <mr-rich> or should I take care of the X thing first?
[07:28] <tdn> I use lxdm in lubuntu. How do I change the lxdm theme/background image?
[07:49] <bioterror> tdn, titia@konna:~$ cat /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[07:49] <bioterror> tdn, bg=/usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers/lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png
[08:03] <tdn> bioterror, ok Thanks
[08:04] <tdn> bioterror, bg in which section? There is no bg variable in my config.
[08:05] <bioterror> hmmm what
[08:05] <bioterror> has they changed things in 11.04
[08:07] <tdn> Probably.
[08:07] <tdn> But I can add the bg var. But in which section?
[08:08] <tdn> http://paste.adora.dk/P2056.txt
[08:08] <tdn> This is my config
[08:09] <bioterror> should I install 11.04 to my laptop?
[08:09] <bioterror> then again, I could move to ocelot
[08:10] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:10]  * bioterror rubs his head
[08:10] <bioterror> takes a while to compile unetbootin
[08:13] <tdn> 11.04 is nice, I think.
[08:13] <tdn> bioterror, do you know how I can change theme/background in lxdm in my config?
[08:14] <bioterror> takes a while and I know
[08:14] <bioterror> about 30mins
[08:14] <bioterror> as they have changed settings in lxdm config
[08:28] <tdn> Ok
[08:31] <bioterror> doing some backups ;)
[08:32] <MrChrisDruif> Good going bioterror
[08:32] <bioterror> takes a while to move chromium folder
[08:33] <MichealH> lol, it reminds me of a geeky joke xD
[08:33] <bioterror> yeah
[08:33] <bioterror> .config moved
[08:33] <bioterror> reboot to install
[08:33] <bioterror> if unetbootin works :D
[08:34] <MichealH> It said "To compress backups really well do [REALLY BAD COMMAND]" ;)
[08:38] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:38] <bioterror> I had to copy paste / mark from terminal to installer that I can manually make partitions
[08:39] <bioterror> and this did not want to make me a jfs partitions
[08:39] <bioterror> w t f
[08:41] <bioterror> no xfs neither
[08:42] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[08:43] <bioterror> its not enough that plymouth sucks, but ubiquity sucks even more
[08:44] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[08:44] <MrChrisDruif> A bit offtopic, isn't it? O:-)
[08:45] <bioterror> seems like youre doomed to use ext4
[08:45] <bioterror> as your /
[08:45] <bioterror> no its not
[08:45] <bioterror> ubiquity is lubuntus installer
[08:47] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but me thinks this is a support channel. Discussing things like ubiquity and it's "flaws" isn't really suited here :)
[08:49] <bioterror> give me support for my problems
[08:49] <bioterror> I want to use jfs as my fs for the -
[08:49] <bioterror> /
[08:49] <bioterror> how can I do that?
[08:52] <bioterror> if I want to use only one filesytem for my installation, I would use Windows and NTFS
[08:59] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, Y U NO SPEAK?!
[08:59] <MrChrisDruif> What?
[09:00] <MrChrisDruif> With no mentions I respond not all the time :)
[09:00] <MrChrisDruif> chrome.angrybirds.com ;)
[09:00] <bioterror> is that your host.domain?
[09:01] <MrChrisDruif> host.domain? Of my website?
[09:17] <MrChrisDruif> But I thought you could install *buntu on any FS like JFS
[09:18] <bioterror> not in year 2011
[09:18] <bioterror> tdn, now I'm on lubuntu 11.04 and having my terminal fixed
[09:20] <bioterror> /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-default/openbox-3/themerc
[09:21] <bioterror> that doesnt have wallpaper
[09:22] <bioterror> tdn, 260K/usr/share/lxdm/themes/Lubuntu/wall.png
[09:23] <bioterror> tdn, you can create easily own themes ;)
[09:27] <bioterror> cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/sda5
[09:27] <bioterror> cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
[09:27] <bioterror> :---)
[09:34] <bioterror> plymouth not working properly after first update
[09:34]  * bioterror shows his suprised face
[09:35] <MrChrisDruif> O_O <= this one?
[09:39] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, http://memegenerator.net/instance/7804359
[09:41]  * MrChrisDruif goes offline TTYL
[10:05] <buff27> how does ubuntu compare to xubuntu? does it use less ram/cpu ?
[10:11] <buff27> * I mean lubuntu compare to xubuntu
[10:14] <EagleScreen> hello
[10:14] <EagleScreen> what bluetooth packages shoild I install to transfer files from cell phone to laptop?
[10:20] <EagleScreen> mmm I see that gnomebluetooth is already installed
[10:30] <bioterror> EagleScreen, bluez? or something
[10:31] <bioterror> I use memorycard reader
[10:31] <bioterror> it's easier and faster
[10:31] <EagleScreen> gnome-bluetooth is working well
[11:13] <head_victim> phillw: ping
[11:13] <head_victim> I would like to suggest for that wiki we use lists instead of headings for each
[11:13] <head_victim> Maybe a heading for each release and then a list for each download as a compromise
[11:14] <head_victim> (To keep it all in the correct style ;) )
[11:19] <esmirlin> hey people! just a question, is it possible to install dropbox on lubuntu? i'm just trying CrunchBang Linux cause ubuntu is too big and heavy for my netbook but i'm so used to ubuntu i wanna try lubuntu but i'm afraid of not being able to do the same work as in the Ubuntu one
[11:20] <head_victim> esmirlin: I'm sure I heard someone saying they use it with pcmanfm in here (pcmanfm is the default file manager in Lubuntu)
[11:22] <head_victim> esmirlin: http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=27035
[11:23] <esmirlin> thanks!
[11:24] <esmirlin> and what about crunchbang? is it lighter than lubuntu?
[11:24] <head_victim> I have not ever used crunchbang sorry so I don't really know. What are the specs of the hardware you are using?
[11:27] <esmirlin> head_victim, http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5437
[11:27] <head_victim> Ah it runs fine on my wife's really old 600mhz celeron with 512 ram ;)
[11:28] <esmirlin> ooki i'll try thanks!
[11:28] <head_victim> Glad to help :)
[11:29] <esmirlin> ^^
[11:33] <stlsaint> IM BACK
[11:35] <head_victim> QUICK HIDE
[11:35] <tdn> bioterror, but how do I select another wallpaper or theme?
[11:35] <stlsaint> oh no you dont
[11:45] <tdn> Huh?
[12:01] <esmirlin> hey folk! i burnt the iso into a usb using unetbootin and usb-creator but it didn't boot into lubuntu installation :S
[12:04] <stlsaint> esmirlin: well what did it do?
[12:04] <esmirlin> it splash a the comand console
[12:05] <esmirlin> *sorry for my english :S
[12:05] <esmirlin> it splashes the command line
[12:09] <stlsaint> esmirlin: what type of computer are you using?
[12:10] <esmirlin> stlsaint, a netbook
[12:11] <MichealH> head_victim, phillw has been real quiet today
[12:12] <stlsaint> care to elaborate
[12:12] <head_victim> MichealH: it would appear so, maybe he has some real life stuff to take care off, hmmmph real life getting in the way of the online world.
[12:12] <head_victim> stlsaint: asus eee 1005pe
[12:13] <MichealH> head_victim, :P
[12:13] <stlsaint> head_victim: how dare that real life....smh
[12:14] <head_victim> esmirlin: so doesn't work at all, only shows the splash and sits on that, or goes toa  terminal after the splash?
[12:14] <stlsaint> head_victim: huh?
[12:15] <victor__> stlsaint, it sais there's no init found
[12:15] <victor__> i've tried it like 4 times using differents pc's and different software and no chance :(
[12:16] <stlsaint> how is everyone able to post what the issue is cept the on needing support :P
[12:17] <victor__> :(
[12:20] <stlsaint> victor__: did you verify the iso prior to burning it? md5 and all that jazz
[12:21] <victor__> yes
[12:21] <victor__> all is ok
[12:21] <victor__> i've tried another "buntu" distro like kubuntu and ubuntu and it just worked
[12:24] <victor__> stlsaint,
[12:25] <stlsaint> victor__: what iso did you download?
[12:25] <victor__> http://www.linoob.com/2011/04/lubuntu-11-04-final-released/
[12:26] <victor__> stlsaint,
[12:30] <stlsaint> victor__: it is possible that site has a corrupt iso, it is highly unlikely that you are able to use ubuntu but not lubuntu
[12:31] <head_victim> stlsaint: it links direct to the correct places
[12:31] <stlsaint> victor__: well that sucks
[12:31] <head_victim> It's a little perplexing.
[12:31] <stlsaint> victor__: i assume it would be hardware related in that case
[12:31] <head_victim> victor__: so does it hang at the splash, before the splash or give you a terminal after the splash?
[12:33] <stlsaint> head_victim: i did have the same issue with the alpha iso but i just assumed that was cause it was alpha
[12:33] <stlsaint> on another netbook from a guy who wanted linux
[12:34] <head_victim> stlsaint: ah fair call but it seems like direct, correct links at the bottom of the page
[12:34] <victor__> i just see the terminal without anything else, initrads:
[12:38] <victor__> i don't know what to doo
[12:38] <victor__> o
[12:38] <victor__> *do
[12:38] <victor__> should i use unetbootin with sudo?
[12:39] <stlsaint> head_victim: that also sounds like a fail on unetbootin
[12:39] <stlsaint> not packing initrd correctly
[12:39] <head_victim> I always use startup disk creator from within another Ubuntu installation
[12:39] <victor__> stlsaint, did you try?
[12:40] <stlsaint> victor__: yes
[12:40] <stlsaint> head_victim: when i tried with final releaes and unetbootin it just hands at splash screen for me
[12:40] <head_victim> stlsaint: sounds exactly like what that person was experiencing
[12:41] <stlsaint> cept im not on a netbook
[12:41] <stlsaint> head_victim: maybe this is something to look into?
[12:42] <head_victim> stlsaint: sure, we need to find someone with a netbook :)
[12:42] <stlsaint> i have one i can try right quick
[12:42] <stlsaint> one sec
[12:44] <stlsaint> head_victim: seems to be same with me
[12:44] <head_victim> Hmm bug report time?
[12:44] <stlsaint> looks like it
[12:44] <head_victim> Double check with an actual cd copy as well?
[12:45] <stlsaint> head_victim: wont be able to on netbook
[12:45] <head_victim> Ah good point
[12:45] <head_victim> I'm a bit tired apparently ;)
[12:45] <stlsaint> hehe
[12:46] <head_victim> gilir: what information would oyu like in a bug report that seems to render unetbootin USB drives unbootable on netbooks for 11.04?
[12:47] <stlsaint> head_victim: if i choose to install ubuntu i make it to splash screen but then it loops on goign thru the dots
[12:47] <head_victim> stlsaint: ahh press a key, it might be looking to find the drive for installation
[12:47] <head_victim> I recall having that exact issue in a previous release
[12:48] <stlsaint> hit enter then space bar with nothing
[12:49] <head_victim> Just trying to remember the error it was cycling to find what bug it was
[12:49] <stlsaint> yep im looping
[12:50] <stlsaint> WHOA
[12:50] <stlsaint> one sec
[12:50] <stlsaint> crap i missed it
[12:50] <gilir> head_victim, the steps to reproduces, and if it's tested on standard Ubuntu
[12:51] <head_victim> gilir: no worries, it's looking like a previous error I once had trying to find it
[12:52] <stlsaint> man i gotta record what just happened on system
[12:52] <head_victim> Just give me an error line to google :)
[12:52] <stlsaint> lol i think i can do ya one better
[12:53] <stlsaint> head_victim: whats your email
[12:53] <head_victim> jarednorris at ubuntu dot com :)
[12:54] <stlsaint> head_victim: sent
[12:55] <stlsaint> ima try and get some video of the massive errors it just went thru
[12:55] <stlsaint> went streaming all over the screen :D
[12:56] <head_victim> Ah that's different to what I was thinking of but still an error none the less
[12:57] <stlsaint> yep
[12:58] <stlsaint> though i cant tell what it really means
[13:00] <head_victim> Lets hope they return so we can ask more questions
[13:03] <stlsaint> head_victim: well i couldnt send the video of the streaming stuff but another part of the errror popped before ending with (initramfs)
[13:03] <stlsaint> head_victim: emailed ya ;)
[13:03] <head_victim> stlsaint: got the screenshot
[13:04] <stlsaint> head_victim: the one i just sent?
[13:04] <stlsaint> initramfs one
[13:05] <head_victim> Yep
[13:05] <stlsaint> aye that seems to be the last of it
[13:07] <stlsaint> bug time?
[13:08] <head_victim> Can you install normal Ubuntu without the errors?
[13:11] <stlsaint> head_victim: wish i could test but i dont have a ubuntu iso, only other variants :D
[13:12] <head_victim> Try any of them then
[13:13] <stlsaint> head_victim: i did
[13:13] <stlsaint> head_victim: the others work
[13:13] <head_victim> Bug time
[13:13] <stlsaint> debian, back-track, crunchbang
[13:18] <head_victim> As per our great leader, we need the steps to reproduce and report it against the lubuntu-meta package :)
[13:19] <stlsaint> 1. Download lubuntu 11.04 :D
[13:19] <stlsaint> 2. Use unetbootin to create bootable usb
[13:20] <stlsaint> hehe
[13:20] <stlsaint> 3. Boot into the usb on a netbook
[13:20] <stlsaint> 4. BUG!!
[13:22] <stlsaint> head_victim: you filing bug or should i?
[13:23] <head_victim> I'll let you do it as you have the ability to reproduce and answer questions if that's ok
[13:23] <stlsaint> roger that
[13:25] <stlsaint> head_victim: you say lubuntu-meta as in this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta
[13:26] <head_victim> That's the one according to the Lubuntu wiki
[13:27] <stlsaint> alright ill report it there
[13:38] <stlsaint> woot bug filed
[13:42] <FernandoBasso> The new version of Lubuntu is awesome!
[13:45] <stlsaint> FernandoBasso: glad to hear it
[13:46] <head_victim> stlsaint: nice bug report, just got it in the inbo
[13:46] <head_victim> inbox
[13:46] <head_victim> bug 782997
[13:46] <FernandoBasso> I am really serious. Fast as arch linux, but 'beatiful BY DEFAULT'. :)
[13:47] <stlsaint> head_victim: thankx
[13:47] <head_victim> FernandoBasso: that's the goals of the system :) So glad you found it and like it
[13:47] <FernandoBasso> I don't know why hasn't Canonical adopted Lubuntu officially yet.
[13:48] <stlsaint> head_victim: sshhhhhhhhh ;D
[13:48] <head_victim> FernandoBasso: it's just waiting a hardware upgrade from Canonical to move it to offical
[13:48] <stlsaint> lol
[13:48] <stlsaint> fail
[13:49] <stlsaint> was hoping julien would chime on that bit :D
[13:49] <FernandoBasso> That unity is a not easy to used. Not practical. And niether gnome3. It seems unity and gnome3 philosophy is "the app you need is just 15 clicks away".
[13:50] <stlsaint> lol interesting analogy
[13:51] <FernandoBasso> I used to use openbox and lxde. But I sincerely hopped that either gnome3 or unity would bring something 'useful'. At least for me, they are no easy to use. Neither are they intuitive, and almost zero-configurable.
[13:52] <FernandoBasso> And since I already am a fan of openbox and lxde in general, I can't help feeling that you guys have just made openbox and lxde even more great than they already are.
[13:53] <head_victim> I have yet to try unity I must admin
[13:53] <head_victim> admit*
[13:53] <stlsaint> same here
[13:57] <FernandoBasso> I have an opinion, for example, that a house is a house. The way we know 'houses' up to the present time seems to actually be the best way. What other ways could be build a house and make it still be 'practical'? I think the same holds true to desktops. nothingspecial like being able to have virtual vorkspaces and still be able to 'minimize' windows', have a toolbar with the most important icons there. Gnome3 doesn'
[13:58] <FernandoBasso> Perhaps in with the time some things will be improved and usability may get better.
[14:02] <head_victim> I'm thinking 12.04 will be when unity shines or rusts
[14:09] <KM0201> head_victim: i agree (but unity really isn't that bad in 11.04, but it does need some work, and like you, I think it will be a gradual process)
[14:12] <head_victim> KM0201: yep, can only get better really.
[14:15] <FernandoBasso> My doubt is whether the paradigm of 'desktop' can be changed so much.
[14:15] <FernandoBasso> I am not saying that it is not possible, though.
[14:16] <FernandoBasso> Specially, the way we 'manage' the desktop in general.
[14:24] <kalithlev> if i create some custom .desktop files, how do i get them to show up in lxpanel?
[14:25] <mr-rich> ok ... rebooted after installing mini.iso & apt-get'ing lubuntu ... I have no X ... blank screen ...
[14:27] <bioterror> kalithlev, by defining proper Category=
[14:28] <bioterror> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[14:28] <mr-rich> screen on F7 sez "*Starting NTP server" & "*Starting bluetooth" ... blinking cursor ...
[14:29] <mr-rich> I can get to a console (CTRL-ALT-F1/F6) ...
[14:29] <bioterror> say "startx"
[14:29] <kalithlev> i don't really want to put them in /usr/share/applications bioterror
[14:30] <bioterror> that's what the specification says
[14:31] <FernandoBasso> (09:49) < head_vict> FernandoBasso: it's just waiting a hardware upgrade from Canonical to move it to offical. <--- What?
[14:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> unity is ok, and works for tablets, not for desktops
[14:33] <mr-rich> bioterror: not at a console ...blank screen with just those words ... I'll try it at a console screen ...
[14:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> for example, the hiding part, doesn't work for some of us on desktops, but on table would make sense
[14:34] <FernandoBasso> I guess you are right.
[14:34] <Ahmuck-Jr> single clicks are fine, but on a desktop configuraiton options via right mouse click are still important
[14:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> unity bar needs soem configuration options, for tablet or desktop setup
[14:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> i liked it but it limited my abilty to work from my desktop
[14:38] <FernandoBasso> I think anyone who knows how to configure openbox would probably be much more satisfied with it than kde/gnome/unity. And I myself know the very basics.
[14:40] <FernandoBasso> For example, gnome2.x never had an option to change desktops with the mouse wheel.
[17:20] <cjohnston> I'm trying to run 64bit as a live cd from a usb stick and im getting a stdin: error 0
[17:20] <cjohnston> any ideas?
[17:35] <Relevant> I cant seem to fine a lubuntu live disc ISO
[17:40] <LAcan> Relevant, it exists
[17:41] <LAcan> Relevant, http://lubuntu.net/
[17:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> is there a leak in flash in lubuntu?
[18:02] <fredarko> i am the latest user but i have not yet been registered.
[18:13] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: i think so.. honestly,l i installed the flasth 10.3 beta, it fixed a lot of problems for me
[18:24]  * Ahmuck-Jr is finding a lot of bugs ...
[18:25] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: and windows is bug free?
[18:26] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: what "bugs" are you finding (i think to often newbs say something is a bug, and in reality, they just don't now what they're talking about)
[18:31] <Ahmuck-Jr> honestly?  well, panel bar, Panel Settings --> Panel Preferences --> Application Launch Bar --> Edit --> Window opens behind the existing one
[18:32] <KM0201> lol, you're really that geeked up about a window placement issue?
[18:32] <KM0201> move the freaking window on top of it, and set it up
[18:32] <Ahmuck-Jr> focus is wrong
[18:32]  * KM0201 laughs
[18:32] <KM0201> you should stick w/ bug free windows.
[18:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> Panel Settings on left click, but title says Panel Preferences
[18:33]  * Ahmuck-Jr kicks KM0201 int he shins
[18:33] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: you're really griping about stupid stuff, are they  minor things? of course, but I can't believe someone would even be upset about a menu saying "panel settings" and then going to a "panel preferences" window.
[18:34] <Ahmuck-Jr> it's inconsistant
[18:34] <KM0201> well, win 7 is super consistant, that should work well for you.
[18:34]  * KM0201 shakes his head
[18:34] <KM0201> i'm just curious if either of those "bugs" effect functionality at all?
[18:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> the title, no, the focus, yes
[18:35] <KM0201> you see those two things and you say "there's a lot of bugs"... im not sure whether to laugh or cry
[18:35] <KM0201> how does the focus cause a problem?
[18:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> it's an extra mouse click
[18:35] <KM0201> move the over window, and adjust the "unfocused" window as you see fit
[18:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> move and click
[18:35] <KM0201> oh geez.
[18:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> i suppose i could move back to ubuntu
[18:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> >-)
[18:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> sudo aptitude install lynx
[18:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> er
[18:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> KM0201: i understand good gui design
[18:45] <KM0201> it's not perfect by any stretch, but you're making out a couple minor GUI bugsto be serious issues.
[19:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> KM0201: why did you assume I was upset rather than merely reporting the issues
[19:08] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: cuz this isn't where you report issues?
[19:08] <KM0201> and comments like "I understand good GUI design"...
[19:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> sorry.  i'll take it to #lubuntu-offtopic in the future
[19:09] <KM0201> not really for off topic either.. if you think something is a bug, then just file a bug report
[19:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'll pass.  i'm not to fond of bug reporting in launchpad.  in the past i've reported bugs there as well, navigating, and nothing get's done there.
[19:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> i've found it best to not report them at all
[19:11] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: lol, well if nothng is getting done, then likely what you're reporting is either 1. not a bug, or 2. a low priority that will be fixed later
[19:11] <KM0201> there's been lots of bugs fixed as a result of launchpad reports
[19:12] <Ahmuck-Jr> conversation finished
[19:13] <KM0201> if thats how you feel.. but i've reported bugs plenty of times to launchpad (or signed on to ones already reported) and quite a few of them have been fixed in the past.  right now the only one I'm on, is the vlc bug..
[19:17] <bioterror> eipä tolla kanavalla 223 tee kyllä vittujakaa
[19:17] <bioterror> ohop
[19:17] <bioterror> wrong window :D
[19:20] <FernandoBasso> Janela errada!
[20:09] <esmirlin> hey guys, what about changing the login screen background?
[20:16] <jmarsden> esmirlin: man lxdm     will show you what config file to edit for that.
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden; Natty uses lightdm right? ;)
[20:16] <bioterror> why would it use
[20:17] <jmarsden> I've never heard of lightdm... will check... my lubuntu1104 VM uses lxdm as far as I can see :)
[20:17] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: There is no lightdm in my Lubuntu 1104 setup, so I think you are mistaken ?
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden; Might be so...I'll check what the release notes say
[20:19] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, something to read for you: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html
[20:19] <esmirlin> still not sure of where is the pic located :S
[20:20] <bioterror> it's in the theme folder
[20:20] <bioterror> wall.png
[20:21] <jmarsden> /usr/share/lxdm/themes/Lubuntu/wall.png  # but dont edit it, create a new theme and set lxdm to use your new custom theme.
[20:22] <esmirlin> why?
[20:22] <bioterror> cp -r Lubuntu newtheme
[20:23] <bioterror> and edit /etc/lxdm/default.conf to use another theme
[20:23] <jmarsden> esmirlin: Because that is how the whole system is designed, to be themable... :)
[20:23] <bioterror> esmirlin, when you mess your system, you have something to rollback to
[20:23] <esmirlin> :P
[20:23] <esmirlin> thanks guys!
[20:24] <jmarsden> esmirlin: You're welcome.
[20:32] <iphaRa> hello guys, how can I change the screen resolution to 1024x600? there is no such resolution in Start>Preferences>Monitor Settings
[20:33] <samuel_> does anyone know when PCManFM 0.9.9 starts supporting UTF-8?
[20:34] <jmarsden> samuel_: In filenames?  Or it its localized user interface translation files??
[20:35] <samuel_> in filenames, i can't copy filenames when it contains non ascii chars
[20:35] <samuel_> jmarsden,  in filenames, i can't copy filenames when it contains non ascii chars
[20:36] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  It should, I think... I'll test it here...
[20:36] <samuel_> PCManFM shows ? instead of the special char
[20:38] <samuel_> ë, é and such show as a questionmark, I use the Dutch localised version of Lubuntu, 11.04 i think this is
[20:41] <jmarsden> samuel_: For me it works fine... in Lubuntu 11.04.  I have files named ıntəˈnæʃənəl and ∀x∈ℝ  (just to use some really weird characters!) and they show up fine.
[20:42] <samuel_> jmarsden, any idea what could be the cause?
[20:42] <jmarsden> Sounds like something somewhere told pcmanfm to use USASCII, or to use a font that does not have the characters you need in it?
[20:43] <jmarsden> Is "the Ducth localized version of 11.04" the official ISO, but installed for the Dutch language?  Or some unofficial version someone made in the Netherlands??
[20:44] <samuel_> jmarsden, i can create a empty textfile with nonascii chars
[20:44] <samuel_> its the official version
[20:44] <jmarsden> OK.  I did    echo "∀x∈ℝ" >∀x∈ℝ
[20:45] <jmarsden> to create one of my test files... worked fine, then I fired up pcmanfm and looked at that folder, and it displays correctly.
[20:45] <samuel_> after installation i get the option to upgrade some software to my local though but that is not the cause
[20:45] <samuel_> mmm, i use sabnzb to download stuff
[20:46] <samuel_> those file are unzipped by sabnab to
[20:46] <jmarsden> What is sabnzb??  And where did you get it from?
[20:46] <samuel_> jmarsden, SABnzbd is an Open Source Binary Newsreader written in Python
[20:46] <jmarsden> Oh, some sort of file downloader tool... OK.
[20:47] <jmarsden> If you do    echo "∀x∈ℝ" >∀x∈ℝ    in LXterminal, and then ls, do you see the filename displayed correctly in the terminal?
[20:47] <samuel_> works fine perhaps the unzip/unrar thingy is the cause
[20:48] <jmarsden> OK, so yes... sounds like pcmanfm is not the problem :)
[20:48] <samuel_> jmarsden, yeah the echo works fine
[20:48] <samuel_> so we can rule out Lubuntu to?
[20:48] <jmarsden> OK, and now in pcmanfm does that file look good?
[20:49] <samuel_> jmarsden, it does show up correct yes
[20:49] <samuel_> seems sabnzb related then
[20:49] <jmarsden> OK.  So pcmanfm is fne.  If you installed sabnzbdplus from the Ubuntu repositories, and it has an internationalization issue, you could file a bug against that package.
[20:50] <samuel_> jmarsden, i just did sudo apt-get install sabnzb
[20:50] <samuel_> and it installed fine
[20:51] <samuel_> its not a big problem, i guess it will be fixed at some point
[20:51] <jmarsden> OK... except that there is no package named sabnzb in the official Ubuntu repos that I can find... did you get it from an unofficial repository?
[20:53] <samuel_> how come it installed fine using the command request?
[20:53] <lighta> probably not same repo
[20:53] <jmarsden> I don't know, sudo apt-get install sabnzb does not find such a package for me here.  sudo apt-get install sabnzbdplus does.
[20:54] <jmarsden> samuel_: Did you add any non-standard repositories to your machine?
[20:54] <samuel_> yes, my mistake its fullname is indeed sabnzbdplus
[20:54] <samuel_> jmarsden, firefox and opera
[20:55] <samuel_> i guess those are not supported
[20:55] <jmarsden> OK.  I sugges you file a bug in Launchpad against that package and provide details on how to duplicate the issue, and hopefully someone will fix it.
[20:55] <samuel_> i
[20:56] <samuel_> i'll try to duplicate it first
[20:56] <jmarsden> Sure.
[20:57] <samuel_> i did have happen something strange just 2 days ago
[20:58] <samuel_> when turning on my notebook with Lubuntu 11.04 installed it would give me a login screen instead
[20:58] <samuel_> have not seen that before
[20:58] <samuel_> even more strange, i could not login in with my username/password
[20:59] <samuel_> had to reinstall everything
[22:17] <KM0201> where is the 64bit download
[23:39] <Morganvd> evening
[23:39] <Morganvd> anyone know how i can remove xchat without removing lubuntu-desktop
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> Morganvd; I've read something about "removing lubuntu-desktop" and when it's okay...
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> Looking for it now
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> Morganvd; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop
[23:54] <Ahmuck-Jr> bug #h2a4462b - ctl-alt-Fx, screen is white with garbage letters.  on tty working.
[23:56] <cjohnston> Ahmuck-Jr: im getting the same thing
[23:56] <cjohnston> this time it ended saying connecting to plymouth: connection refused


[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <Tm_T> moin moin
[14:00] <cjohnston> happy birthday imbrandon
[14:01] <dholbach> yeah, happy birthday! :)
[14:01] <dholbach> balloons, ready? :)
[14:04] <balloons> dholbach, 2 mins mate :-0
[14:08] <balloons> kk
[14:16] <vibhav> jono: there?
[14:38] <jono> mhall119, hey
[14:38] <jono> mhall119, can you follow up on the thread on the accomplishments mailing list re. server issues
[14:39] <mhall119> jono: reading them now
[14:39] <jono> thanks mhall119
[14:50] <jono> thanks mhall119
[14:50] <jono> I saw your response
[14:52] <vibhav> jono: http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/12/17/canonical-supplies-new-tools-for-linux-evangelists/
[14:52] <jono> vibhav, yeah, I saw that :-)
[14:53] <jcastro_> Canonical Supplies new tools for budding lead guitarists.
[14:53] <vibhav> heh
[14:53] <jcastro_> whoops, sorry, wrong waking-fantasy!
[14:53] <vibhav> jono: You are in charge of the Ubuntu social media channels, right?
[14:54] <jono> jcastro_, lol
[14:54] <jono> vibhav, not really in charge
[14:54] <jono> lots of people have access to different channels
[14:55] <vibhav> jono: ah, I thought if some promotion for the Ubuntu Development social media channels could help.
[14:55] <jono> vibhav, I did that yesterday
[14:56] <balloons> dholbach, it was doing so well
[14:56] <jono> promoted it across facebook, g+ and twitter
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, can't! hear! you!
[14:56] <balloons> new record 350 mins!
[14:56] <balloons> err 50 mins
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, can you imagine we did 24h? :)
[14:56] <vibhav> jono: right now?
[14:56] <balloons> it's been dying like that much sooner normally
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, but the good thing is: we got through almost all we wanted to talk about
[14:56] <balloons> jibel tells me to kill pulse, it's a pulse thing
[14:56] <dholbach> ah, I had no idea
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, let's discuss the rest via email
[14:57] <balloons> lol
[14:57] <balloons> you left as I got back in
[14:57] <balloons> haha
[14:57] <balloons> sure
[14:57] <dholbach> perfect
[14:57] <dholbach> and I'll just quickly take the dog for a walk before it's completely dark again - winter over here is a depressing affair
[14:57] <balloons> basically yes, we should have more and include both
[14:57] <dholbach> perfect, what I was thinking as well :)
[14:57] <balloons> yes, sorry for that thing called winter
[14:58] <dholbach> was it your idea? :-)
[14:58] <dholbach> it's not 16:00 yet and it's getting dark already
[14:58] <jcastro_> it gets dark fast over here too
[14:58] <dholbach> but yeah, I could live in the North of Norway and it'd be dark all the time - I get it, I stop complaining
[14:58] <dholbach> :-)
[14:58] <jcastro_> it looks depressing outside
[14:58] <dholbach> brb, see you in a bit
[14:59] <jono> vibhav, eh?
[14:59] <balloons> dholbach, I don't know how people do the 6 months darkness thing
[14:59] <vibhav> jono: Never mind :)
[14:59] <balloons> alaska is similar
[15:00] <vibhav> jono: Also, would including the packaging guide (or links) in the ADK make sense?
[15:01] <jono> vibhav, I am not sure if it fits within the context of advocacy
[15:02] <jono> although I would like to have some content about how LoCo teams can participate in normal Ubuntu contributions
[15:02] <jono> brb, call
[15:29] <jcastro_> hey guys, it's charles profitt's bday today if you want to wish him a happy one!
[15:30] <IdleOne> happy birthday cprofitt \o/
[15:32] <vibhav> happy birthday cprofitt
[15:33] <vibhav> cprofitt: May you worst enemy be attacked by an angry gerbil :)
[15:40] <rrnwexec> good morning community folks :)
[15:46] <jono> mhall119, is the ubuntu django theme unmaintained?
[15:46] <jono> cprofitt, happy birthday!
[15:46] <jono> mhall119, for context: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments-web/+bug/1090132
[15:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1090132 in Ubuntu Accomplishments Web Gallery "Update navigation" [Medium,In progress]
[15:51] <dholbach> cprofitt, hey! Happy Birthday! :)
[15:55] <imbrandon> cjohnston / dholbach / jcastro_ : ty ty
[15:55] <imbrandon> cprofitt: you'd bday today too ? sweet :) Happy Bday ...
[15:56]  * imbrandon is a 1978 Model
[15:56] <mhall119> jono: it is, but the Canonical theme keeps changing
[15:56] <cjohnston> imbrandon: I think his is the 22nd
[15:56] <imbrandon> ahh
[15:58] <balloons> bon anniversaire cprofitt!
[16:00] <jono> mhall119, gotcha
[16:00] <jono> mhall119, dholbach, dpm, jcastro_, balloons setting up the hangout
[16:00] <jcastro_> ok!~
[16:00] <dholbach> cool
[16:00] <jono> mhall119, dholbach, dpm, jcastro_, balloons invitation sent
[16:02] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: here I am!
[16:02] <dpm> jono, joining in a sec
[16:02] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, in a call - but let's chat after it :)
[16:02] <JoseeAntonioR> sure :)
[16:25] <cprofitt> jono: thanks
[16:25] <cprofitt> imbrandon: I am actually the 22nd, but today is close enough
[16:28] <czajkowski> jono: do you still need to be an admin on the approved locoteams team on LP ?
[16:42] <AlanBell> so whats with the "hey we are going to start maintaining Unity" announcement?
[16:44] <balloons> AlanBell, what do you mean?
[16:45] <AlanBell> this http://bregmatter.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/canonical-targets-unity-shell-maintenance-for-13-04/
[16:45] <balloons> lol, yes.. but what's the question?
[16:46] <AlanBell> well it is a curious thing, I thought Canonical was already maintaining unity
[16:47] <balloons> AlanBell, yes, if you read the post that has been the case
[16:49] <balloons> and indeed, they have even held focused sprints at points in the last 2 cycles specifically to work on established bits
[16:49] <balloons> I guess the point is they wanted to highlight the fact there is a team of people working all the time on making sure the current feature set is in good shape every release
[16:50] <AlanBell> hmm, ok, I thought it was backports, but it is about 13.04 and it wasn't obvious what exactly the difference is, if anything
[16:50] <balloons> from the post, it seems some folks had the perspective  that the unity team was primarily focused on landing new features every cycle and ignoring the current stuff (bugs, etc)
[16:51] <AlanBell> so it is kind of an internal reorganisation, a dotted line moved on an org chart or something
[17:11] <dholbach> jono, Installed-Size: [-27006-] {+13978+}
[17:11] <dholbach> not too bad, eh? :)
[17:13] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: ping
[17:14] <dholbach> dpm, if you've still got time we can chat a bit
[17:15] <jono> dholbach, nice! :)
[17:15] <dholbach> err sorry, JoseeAntonioR - if you've still got time we can chat a bit
[17:15] <dholbach> :-)
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I have!
[17:16] <dholbach> fantastic
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> just give me a sec so I can restart xchat, I have 1.3s of lag
[17:16] <dholbach> really? you restart for 1.3s of lag?
[17:17] <dholbach> it just means that message might take a second to arrive in your client :)
[17:18] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I do, I usually have 0.1 or 0.2
[17:18] <dholbach> ok, I'm not going to stop you
[17:18] <dholbach> :-)
[17:18] <JoseeAntonioR> it's already done and changed 1.3 to 0.3, so :)
[17:19] <dholbach> so from a quick glance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable who do you think we should still get on there?
[17:20] <dholbach> the sessions about working with Debian (and/or Upstream) were always good I thought
[17:20] <dholbach> maybe we could rope in Laney or tumbleweed for one of those, even if it's just 30m
[17:20] <JoseeAntonioR> yes, maybe something about how to forward upstream patches
[17:20] <dholbach> exactly
[17:20] <JoseeAntonioR> and yep, we still have one 30-min slot in tue
[17:20] <dholbach> and when to get something straight into Ubuntu as opposed to forwarding it
[17:21] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, dholbach pong
[17:21] <dholbach> dpm, sorry, unping
[17:21] <dholbach> I was a bit distracted for a bit earlier :)
[17:21] <dpm> unpong then :)
[17:21] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: I'm forwarding you the email I sent before OpenWeek to instructor, what I did is I created a mailing list and then sent the email
[17:23] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I'm also going to ask the nexus7 people to give a session
[17:23] <dholbach> anyone else we should put on our hitlist?
[17:23] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, thanks. Is this to be used for the app developer week?
[17:23] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: yep, you can just change the timetable
[17:23] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: maybe the new unity fixing team to explain community collaboration?
[17:23] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, great, thanks!
[17:24] <JoseeAntonioR> sure :)
[17:24] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, sure that might work
[17:25] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I'll also send another reminder to ubuntu-devel@ so whoever is running an initiative to get something done has a chance to give it some more exposure
[17:25] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: are we using on-air this time? if yes, instructors need to have at least some experience with it (learned that from openweek)
[17:26] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, once we have the schedule lined up we can ask who's interested in using on-air
[17:26] <JoseeAntonioR> had someone who planned a 5 mins session for one hour
[17:27] <dholbach> but for UDW it's usually a bit less as most folks like IRC and a place where they can copy/paste, but yeah we should offer it
[17:27] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe we should have another devel and youth session, to encourage more young people
[17:27] <JoseeAntonioR> and someone from the u1 team
[17:28] <dholbach> do you know who'd be a good candidate for a youth team session? Bilal maybe?
[17:28] <JoseeAntonioR> yep, same as last time
[17:29] <dholbach> cool - do you want to ask him? I can then try to ask the U1 team and the others we mentioned above
[17:29] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, sure
[17:29] <dholbach> sweet
[17:29] <dholbach> that should give us a few folks to talk to
[17:30] <dholbach> thanks a bunch JoseeAntonioR
[17:30] <JoseeAntonioR> should be enough, I think
[17:30] <dholbach> let's chat tomorrow again and see how things are going
[17:30] <JoseeAntonioR> no problem, dholbach :)
[17:31] <JoseeAntonioR> sure!
[17:31] <JoseeAntonioR> go and rest now
[17:31] <dholbach> balloons, next dates for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/Hackfest figured out - yeehaw!
[17:31] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, in a bit, just sending out a couple of mails first
[17:31] <dholbach> then I'll meet some friends and go to a CouchSurfer meeting here in Berlin :)
[17:32] <JoseeAntonioR> cool!
[17:36] <vibhav> maybe I should hold a UDW session too
[17:37] <dholbach> vibhav, or you can always do it together with somebody else
[17:37] <dholbach> maybe demo how to prepare a simple merge or something like that
[17:37] <dholbach> and maybe just half an hour - as you like it
[17:37] <vibhav> dholbach: the UDD or the non-UDD way
[17:38] <dholbach> as you like it
[17:38] <vibhav> We could discuss this + the DAT too
[17:38] <dholbach> we could talk about the d-a-t but as it's not a very public facing team or something where we plan to get many people involved I'm not sure how interesting it would be
[17:39] <vibhav> Indeed
[17:39] <dholbach> I could mention it in the introduction though
[17:39] <vibhav> So merges can be a simple topic
[17:39] <vibhav> dholbach: How do I add myself to the schedule?
[17:39] <dholbach> yeah, the more practical the sessions are, the better, I guess
[17:39] <dholbach> vibhav, just edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[17:39] <dholbach> no special protocol :)
[17:39] <dholbach> I'm subscribed to the page, so I'll get an email
[17:40] <vibhav> good
[17:41] <vibhav> I'll do that once Im sure if I can
[17:41] <vibhav> Alright friends, good night!
[17:42] <dholbach> take care vibhav!
[17:42] <vibhav> :)
[17:43] <dholbach> all right, time for me to call it a day too
[17:43] <dholbach> see you all around!
[18:23] <mhall119> rrnwexec: ping
[18:24] <mhall119> rrnwexec: we already have a feed for http://randall.executiv.es/taxonomy/term/40/0/feed in LTP
[18:25] <mhall119> last entry was from April of this year
[18:27] <daker> mhall119: you are right
[18:27] <mhall119> judging by the primary key '3', it looks like we've had that feed since the beginning
[18:28] <rrnwexec> mhall119: ack
[18:29] <rrnwexec> mhall119: you are right. i'll investigate on my end.
[18:31] <rrnwexec> mhall119: oops. was tagging incorrectly on my end. sorry for the confusion
[18:31] <mhall119> thanks
[18:31] <mhall119> np, do you want me to change the feed URL, or are you going to go back and re-tag stuff?
[18:36] <rrnwexec> mhall119: will re-tag
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> rrnwexec: ping
[20:17] <rrnwexec> JoseeAntonioR: ack
[20:17] <rrnwexec> JoseeAntonioR: sorry was afk.
[20:17] <JoseeAntonioR> rrnwexec: hey, would you like to be on-air with the nexus 7 team?
[20:18] <JoseeAntonioR> no prob
[20:18] <rrnwexec> JoseeAntonioR: would love to
[20:18] <JoseeAntonioR> we just need to figure out a date, and if they really would like to
[20:23] <rrnwexec> JoseeAntonioR: cool. keep me posted :)
[20:23] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[20:34] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, whens good today for you?
[20:34] <philipballew> I can fit it into my scheadule
[20:35] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, hey hey
[20:35] <SergioMeneses> what are you doing now?
[20:36] <philipballew> hey! not much!
[20:37] <philipballew> does now work good for you SergioMeneses ?
[20:39] <SergioMeneses> I can just give a minute
[20:41] <philipballew> yeah, ill be free in a few
[20:41] <philipballew> on a phone call
[20:49] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, perfect :D
[21:19] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, free now
[21:19] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, yes
[21:20] <philipballew> alright, ill send you a hangout invite
[21:20] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, ok
[21:21] <philipballew> invite sent
[21:23] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, want the url or do you see the invite?
[21:24] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, pm please
[22:27] <balloons> jcastro_, why does "tag subscriptions" take me to stack exchange on askubuntu?
[22:28] <balloons> and secondly, is there a way to "watch" for specific questions -- get emailed or pinged when they occur?
[23:18] <jcastro_> yeah
[23:18] <jcastro_> balloons: you hover over the tag to subscribe to it
[23:18] <mhall119> balloons: you can subscribe to an RSS feed per tag
[23:24] <balloons> gotcha


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[08:11] <acheronuk> vorlon: FFe delegations for Kubuntu. I assume can s/cosmic/disco here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#Packageset_FFe_Delegations
[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mavibot [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0~M8-1~18.04]
[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mapsforge [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.10.0+dfsg.1-1ubuntu0~18.04.1]
[08:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mckoisqldb [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.6-2~18.04]
[08:15] <vorlon> acheronuk: yes
[08:16] <acheronuk> vorlon: TY
[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mobile-atlas-creator [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.1.0-1~18.04.1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mockito [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.10.19-4~18.04]
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted msv [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2009.1+dfsg1-6~18.04]
[08:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted obantoo [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.1.12+ds1-2~18.04]
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted objenesis [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.1-2~18.04]
[08:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openhft-chronicle-bytes [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.15-2~18.04]
[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openhft-chronicle-core [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.17.5-v1.1.8-2~18.04]
[08:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openhft-lang [sync] (bionic-proposed) [6.7.6-2~18.04]
[08:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjpa [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.2-6~18.04]
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted orthanc-imagej [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.2+dfsg-1~18.04]
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pdfsam [sync] (bionic-proposed) [4.0.1-1~18.04]
[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted plexus-io [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.1-1~18.04]
[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted procyon [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.5.32-5~18.04]
[08:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rdp-alignment [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.0-5~18.04]
[08:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rdp-classifier [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.10.2-4~18.04]
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rdp-readseq [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.0.2-6~18.04]
[08:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted resteasy3.0 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.26-1~18.04]
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rome [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.12.0-1~18.04]
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsyntaxtextarea [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.5.8-1~18.04]
[08:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shiro [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.3.2-3~18.04]
[08:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sitemesh [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.1+dfsg-7~18.04]
[08:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snakeyaml [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.23-1~18.04]
[08:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted svgsalamander [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1+dfsg-3~18.04.1]
[08:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted timingframework [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.0-2~18.04]
[08:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted trove3 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.3-5~18.04]
[08:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted uimaj [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.10.2-2~18.04]
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unsafe-mock [sync] (bionic-proposed) [8.0-3~18.04]
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted writer2latex [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.4-8~18.04]
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xmlbeans [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.2-1~18.04]
[11:58] <doko> vorlon: ^^^ not all of the above packages appear in -proposed Packages.gz. e.g. maven-shared-utils show in update_excuses but doesn't exist
[12:03] <cjwatson> $ curl -s http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-proposed/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | zcat | grep-dctrl -SX maven-shared-utils | tbl-dctrl -H -d' ' -cPackage -cVersion
[12:03] <cjwatson> libmaven-shared-utils-java 3.3.0-1~18.04
[12:03] <cjwatson> libmaven-shared-utils-java-doc 3.3.0-1~18.04
[12:03] <cjwatson> doko: ^-
[12:08] <doko> hmm, then waiting. apt-get update doesn't see it yet
[13:29] <doko> the above accepted syncs (msv .. xmlbeans). don't seem to be published
[13:30] <doko> wait, they are, but update-excuses seems to be out of date
[16:19] <ahasenack> doko: I'm starting the upload of the samba+deps stuff
[16:19] <ahasenack> fyi
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: talloc [s390x] (disco-proposed/main) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1] (core)
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: talloc [amd64] (disco-proposed/main) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1] (core)
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: talloc [i386] (disco-proposed/main) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1] (core)
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: talloc [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/main) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1] (core)
[17:44] <ahasenack> hello archive admins, the talloc new binaries are python3-talloc{,dev}. This upload is dropping the py2 counterparts
[17:45] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/talloc/2.1.16-0ubuntu1
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: talloc [arm64] (disco-proposed/main) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1] (core)
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: talloc [armhf] (disco-proposed/main) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1] (core)
[17:46] <apw> ahasenack, are you handling all of the existing rdeps ?
[17:47] <ahasenack> apw: yes, they are all in samba & friends
[17:47] <ahasenack> I'm updating them all
[17:47] <ahasenack> the only one where I had to keep the python2 one was tdb, because bzr-git wants it
[17:47] <ahasenack> after this, I have tevent, then ldb, then samba itself
[17:47] <ahasenack> all py3
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted talloc [amd64] (disco-proposed) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1]
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted talloc [armhf] (disco-proposed) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1]
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted talloc [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1]
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted talloc [arm64] (disco-proposed) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1]
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted talloc [s390x] (disco-proposed) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1]
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted talloc [i386] (disco-proposed) [2.1.16-0ubuntu1]
[18:03] <ahasenack> apw: thanks!
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kauth [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kauth [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kauth [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kauth [i386] (disco-proposed/universe) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kauth [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kauth [armhf] (disco-proposed/universe) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kauth [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kauth [armhf] (disco-proposed) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kauth [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kauth [arm64] (disco-proposed) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kauth [s390x] (disco-proposed) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kauth [i386] (disco-proposed) [5.56.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:16] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/364206 - I'm asking for review on it rather than just committing it diretly because I still find it surprising that no other flavor has had this problem and want a second set of eyeballs
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-openssl [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.1-1ubuntu1.1]
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ldb [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/main) [2:1.5.4-0ubuntu1] (core)
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ldb [s390x] (disco-proposed/main) [2:1.5.4-0ubuntu1] (core)
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ldb [amd64] (disco-proposed/main) [2:1.5.4-0ubuntu1] (core)
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ldb [i386] (disco-proposed/main) [2:1.5.4-0ubuntu1] (core)
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ldb [arm64] (disco-proposed/main) [2:1.5.4-0ubuntu1] (core)
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ldb [armhf] (disco-proposed/main) [2:1.5.4-0ubuntu1] (core)
[21:22] <ahasenack> hi archive admins, the new ldb packages are python3-ldb and python3-ldb-dev, from the same source
[21:22] <ahasenack> FFe bug is linked in d/changelog


[00:30] <doko> finally, python-support removed from Debian
[00:33] <doko> barry, jtaylor tumbleweed: now let's ditch it for xenial ;-P
[00:50] <doko> cyphermox, one more shadow upload without a merge :-/
[00:50] <cyphermox> hrm?
[00:50] <cyphermox> that was an upload to trusty...
[00:50] <doko> cyphermox, ohh, trusty only
[00:51] <tumbleweed> doko: IIRC we're ready for that
[00:51] <cyphermox> I'll get back to merges soon, but for now 14.04.4 takes priority
[00:51] <tumbleweed> ginggs filed a RM bug, I think?
[00:52] <doko> tumbleweed, reverse-depends tells otherwise
[00:57] <tumbleweed> doko: LP: #1535318
[00:58] <doko> ahh, cool
[00:58] <tumbleweed> doko: basically, everything that's left was either removed from testing or is ubuntu cruft
[02:03] <kees> slangasek: openssh in proposed. wat? collided? do I need to reupload?
[02:04] <kees> oh, I see. no need to reupload.
[04:52] <pitti> Good morning
[06:59] <alkisg> bdrung, bdrung_work, hi, adblock from the xul ppa has stopped working, a signed version is now needed with firefox 44. Would it be possible to upload adblock 2.7.1? Thank you very much for maintaining this!
[07:12] <lukesoft> Hi Guys, Really trying to get going with contributing to ubuntu......but iam getting some bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu/tomboy/"
[07:12] <lukesoft> can you please point me in the right direction
[07:17] <pitti> lukesoft: don't use the UDD branches any more; they are not maintained any more and don't exist for xenial
[07:17] <pitti> lukesoft: just use "apt-get source tomboy" (there is no Ubuntu VCS for tomboy)
[07:18] <lukesoft> oooh ok thanks...let me try that
[07:20] <lukesoft> pitti: so when can i get the new tutorials, coz i was following the one on ubuntu packacking...Is this now obsolete
[07:20] <lukesoft> *where
[07:34] <pitti> lukesoft: the existing one mentions apt-get source; but we are currently working on providing git branches for all packages, until then I don't think that the tutorial will be changed
[09:08] <bdrung_work> alkisg, i'll put updating adblock-plus on my todo list
[09:08] <bdrung_work> alkisg, a new release won't fix the problem with the signature: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1532484
[09:25] <lukemadzedze> Guys which programming languages are used if want to contribute to the so called MOTU
[09:26] <lukemadzedze> or it depends on the package
[09:26] <lukemadzedze> Do all packages use the same language
[09:35] <alkisg> bdrung_work: ouch, does that mean that the patch you proposed there won't be integrated in Ubuntu unless it's accepted by chrisccoulson or someone else?
[09:35] <alkisg> The patch does seem pretty simple and safe...
[09:36] <alkisg> Or should we spend effort on trying to convince upstream mozilla instead?
[09:40] <bdrung_work> alkisg, it's on my todo list to write a mail to ubuntu-devel to start a discussion about it. convincing upstream would be the best option (they should provide a configure switch for it)
[09:46] <alkisg> Thank you very much bdrung_work, I'll put that bug in the affects me too list and wish for the best :)
[09:47] <bdrung_work> alkisg, feel free to open an upstream bug and link it to the lp bug
[09:47]  * alkisg reads the debian bug to see if the folks there already filed an upstream bug...
[10:07] <cjwatson> lukemadzedze: depends entirely on the package; a wide variety of languages is used; the most common would probably be C, C++, Python, Perl, some Java and some of various functional languages, and various bits of shell and make and such in build systems.  Most important to be flexible
[10:17] <lukemadzedze> member:cjwatson: thanks a lot
[10:28] <LocutusOfBorg> sil2100, seems like a new ppp has been uploaded in debian
[10:28] <LocutusOfBorg> do you care to merge it?
[10:48] <sil2100> Oh, sure thing o/
[12:20] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[14:47] <lukesoft> guys is there a way to find out which language a package is developed in, before i start trying to fixing its bug...or even downloading the sorces
[14:47] <lukesoft> sources
[14:56] <dx> hi! how long do "debian imports" take? i see a freeze deadline in february 18 and i'm wondering when i should get the packages in debian testing to ensure they get in 16.04
[15:01] <cjwatson> dx: the auto-sync process runs from unstable, not testing; and it takes at worst around half a day from Debian upload, depending on the vagaries of dinstall timing and other similar cron jobs
[15:02] <dx> excellent
[15:03] <dx> it's like you just replied "-7 days"
[15:05] <gpiccoli> Hello, sorry to bother. I want to download kernel 4.4 for xenial, but it seems this kernel is not present in ppa unstable anymore
[15:05] <gpiccoli> Can someone help me with this?
[15:08] <bjf> gpiccoli, it's in -proposed
[15:10] <gpiccoli> Can you point me the URL bjf?
[15:12] <bjf> gpiccoli, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.4.0-1.15/+build/8880824
[15:14] <gpiccoli> Thanks bjf! But I'm on ppc64el.
[15:14] <gpiccoli> Do you have a generic PPA or something like this?
[15:14] <bjf> gpiccoli, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.4.0-1.15/+build/8880829
[15:15] <gpiccoli> Thanks very much bjf
[15:32] <cjwatson> dx: heh
[15:39] <dx> also, pidgin released 2.10.12, the debian package maintainer doesn't seem to be active and the pidgin in wily has buggy patches. what should i do to ensure the buggy package doesn't get in xenial?
[15:39] <dx> more launchpad tickets?
[15:45] <dx> the bug i'm referring to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1479715
[15:48] <seb128> dx, no, more tickets isn't helping to get work done, send rather a debdiff for the update if you want to help with it
[15:49] <dx> seb128: a debdiff with the version bump + removal of local patches?
[15:50] <dx> and attach it to that bug?
[16:09] <bdmurray> didrocks: Could you have a look at bug 1532355 since you've touched plymouth a fair bit recently?
[16:14] <didrocks> bdmurray: this shouldn't hang up boot anyway, on the warning, do you have a way to reproduce this setup?
[16:15] <Laney> did anyone look at gradle/component-mismatches yet?
[16:15]  * Laney doesn't see what is pulilng it into main immediately
[16:17] <pitti> Laney: ugh @ http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[16:17] <Laney> pitti: I know right
[16:17] <Laney> I ran the dmb packageset script and it wanted to add haskell-* to "core"
[16:18] <Laney> "um, nope"
[16:18] <pitti>    [Reverse-Build-Depends: libspring-java]
[16:18] <pitti> hm, which is itself universe
[16:18] <Laney> indeed
[16:18] <bdmurray> didrocks: Some of the duplicates look like dist upgrades from Wily
[16:18] <Laney> I got approximately that far
[16:18] <Laney> germinate took me in a circle
[16:20] <cjwatson> Laney: pretty sure I looked through that a while back, let me find the log
[16:22] <pitti> looks like pandoc pulls in gradle?
[16:22] <cjwatson> the actual answer is higher up than that I think
[16:26] <cjwatson> aha
[16:26] <cjwatson> 02:16 <cjwatson>   "libcommons-net-java" -> "build-helper-maven-plugin" [label=" B" color="blue" fontcolor="blue"]
[16:26] <cjwatson> that ends up pulling in all the things via a tortuous path
[16:26] <cjwatson> infinity and I had to resort to crawling through graphviz output to find that
[16:26] <pitti> wow, that pulls in haskell now?
[16:26] <cjwatson> pandoc is haskell
[16:27] <cjwatson> and something wants that
[16:27] <Laney>  libcommons-net-java | 3.4-2         | xenial          | all
[16:27] <Laney>  libcommons-net-java | 3.4-2         | xenial/universe | source
[16:27] <cjwatson> but libcommons-net-java was the root of it last I looked
[16:27] <pitti> there must still be a bug somewhere -- there should be one green ("already in main") package somewhere in that cluster, but isn't
[16:27] <cjwatson> I think it's that way because of incomplete promotions/demotions
[16:27] <pitti> oh, source in uninverse, binary in main
[16:28] <cjwatson> I forget the exact reasoning but it made sense once I unpicked it
[16:29] <awe_> seb128, do you have some time to check out mp for bluez; it bumps us to 5.37 & syncs us with the fixes in touch...
[16:30] <Laney> It looks like libcommons-net-java took over from libcommons-net1-java
[16:30] <Laney> and has all the build-depends
[16:30] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Do you have a minute for a livecd-rootfs merge and upload?  (https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/livecd-rootfs/ppc64el/+merge/284152)
[16:31] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Oh, actually, hold on; might need to tweak that slightly.
[16:33] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: urr.  too late
[16:33] <cjwatson> (rather, I saw that too late due to uploading rather than watching IRC)
[16:34] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: No worries, it's not broken, there's just another issue that needs fixing too.  Sorry for jumping the gun on the request. :(
[17:36] <rharper> rbasak: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnl3/+bug/1511735 ; what am I missing for SRU to trusty, next steps?
[17:38] <rbasak> rharper: looks good process-wise. Just need review and sponsorship. How do you feel about the regression risk? Are you confident about the patches and their impact?
[17:38]  * rharper reviews what he wrote a while ago
[17:39] <rbasak> rharper: I'm swamped with MySQL now, and then we'll be straight into the sprint next week. So I'm really struggling on the review side right now.
[17:39] <rbasak> Maybe kirkland could help review and sponsor? I think he offered before and this one is nice and independent.
[17:39] <rharper> rbasak: sure; do I just need to find a sponser then ?
[17:39] <rbasak> I think so, yes.
[17:40] <rharper> cool
[17:40] <rharper> I'll poke around
[17:40] <teward> maybe you would subscribe the ubuntu sponsors team?
[17:40] <teward> (that way it gets on the list of stuff that needs poked?)
[17:40] <rharper> teward: good idea
[18:16] <LocutusOfBorg> mdeslaur, please merge libwmf with my debian upload, to ease libpng transition, thanks :)
[18:17] <mdeslaur> LocutusOfBorg: sure
[18:17] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks :)
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> yofel, can you please update khtml with my latest debian upload?
[18:21] <LocutusOfBorg> I fixed the libpng12-dev to libpng-dev :)
[18:26] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, can you please update gdk-pixbuf the same libpng fix in debian :)
[18:40] <bdmurray> kenvandine: Could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/lxc-android-config/apport-job-cleanup/+merge/274497?
[18:42] <Shock> hello
[18:42] <Shock> I'm getting a warning that some packages cannot be authenticated (libgmpxx4ldbl libp11-kit-dev libidn11-dev libgmp-dev nettle-dev). is this normal?
[18:44] <slangasek> Shock: this question would be more appropriate for #ubuntu.  For the record, it is not normal, and it is strongly recommended that you not install unauthenticated packages on your system.  It probably does not indicate an active attack, you may just need to re-run 'apt-get update'; but you can't be sure unless you actually get rid of the message
[18:44] <kenvandine> bdmurray, i can have a look
[18:45] <Shock> slangasek: I'm asking here because this is the second time it's happened and went the #ubuntu->#ubuntu-dev route once
[18:45] <Shock> slangasek: last time the error was fixed by switching to the main server instead of mirror. now I'm using the main server and getting the error
[18:46] <Shock> slangasek: there's not much help #ubuntu can provide if the main archive is at fault :(
[18:46] <rww> re-run sudo apt-get update, try again, see if it still happens
[18:46] <rww> and odds are the main archive is not at fault, hence the #ubuntu recommendation
[18:46] <Shock> rww: already did that a couple of times
[18:48] <rbasak> Shock: is it possible that your connection is behind a bad caching proxy, perhaps a transparent one? Some ISPs are known to do that.
[18:49] <rbasak> I would check the sha256sums and sizes in the packages file (/var/lib/apt/lists) against the downloaded files (/var/cache/apt/archives/partial) manually.
[18:50] <Shock> I'm getting the following warnings http://paste.ubuntu.com/14681447/
[18:50] <sarnold> "unauthenticated" makes me think there's another configured archive; does apt-cache policy libgmpxx4ldbl   etc look sane?
[18:51] <Shock> sarnold: apt-cache madison listed only the main archive, I'll check policy
[18:51] <Shock> policy also lists only the main archive
[18:52] <rbasak> That's odd. Looks like your verification public keys are broken.
[18:53] <Shock> rbasak: how could that happen?
[18:53] <ogra_> or someone on the way to the archive has a transparent proxy in the line
[18:53] <rbasak> Shock: pastebin "apt-key list"
[18:57] <Shock> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14681507/
[18:58] <Shock> rbasak: done
[18:58] <sarnold> gpg: keyblock resource `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/zulcss-libvirt.gpg': resource limit   -- well that's odd..
[18:59] <sarnold> and there's the keys that it reported missing a few minutes earlier.
[19:00] <rbasak> It is odd. Looks like the keys are there but apt sees something different from apt-key.
[19:00] <rbasak> Either that or you have a man in the middle. Unless you check the full key fingerprints you can't be sure.
[19:01] <rbasak> (PGP key IDs are easy to duplicate)
[19:01] <Shock> rbasak: how do I do that?
[19:01] <rbasak> I'm not sure exactly, and I have to run now, sorry. You can certainly use gpg directly. There may be an easier way.
[19:02] <Shock> rbasak: thanks!
[19:03] <Shock> I've run apt-get update again, it's still showing signature verification errors. I'm not sure how to proceed further, any help would be welcome
[19:03] <sarnold> check /var/lib/apt/lists/*InRelease  and see if those reflect the apt-get update you ran a few seconds ago; run gpg --verify  on those, that should include the full fingerprint of the keys that signed those files
[19:05] <Shock> am I right in assuming that "W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/InRelease" is because the signature couldn't be verified? I can open the url just fine in the browser
[19:05] <sarnold> the fingerprints should match the first two here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#GPG_Keys_used_by_Ubuntu
[19:06] <rbasak> Shock: I think so, yes.
[19:09] <Shock> gpg --verify says "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found"
[19:10] <cjwatson> gpg --verify will only work if you happen to have the right key in your *own* keyring
[19:10] <cjwatson> try "apt-key adv --verify" instead
[19:10] <cjwatson> (you can ignore any "gpg: WARNING: Using untrusted key!" warnings)
[19:11] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14681623/ <- good output
[19:12] <cjwatson> in your position I would look more closely at /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/zulcss-libvirt.gpg
[19:12] <cjwatson> is it a huge file or something?
[19:13] <Shock> 362 bytes
[19:13] <doko> bdmurray, could you review two changes for whoopsie? #1538705 and #1508653 ?
[19:14] <Shock> cjwatson: all I'm seeing is "Good signature"
[19:14] <Shock> cjwatson: I can remove the libvirt ppa, will that also remove the key?
[19:15] <cjwatson> depends on the method you use ...
[19:15] <cjwatson> you could try just moving that file aside though, and seeing what happens
[19:15] <Shock> software-properties-gtk
[19:17] <cjwatson> I think software-properties will remove the key, yes
[19:18] <Shock> cjwatson: I've moved the file aside and re-ran apt-get update -- now the only gpg error I'm getting is for a ppa, presumably the ppa I've removed the key for
[19:18] <cjwatson> right, so I guess remove the PPA properly with s-p, and then re-add it (which should refetch the key)?
[19:19] <Shock> cjwatson: I don't need it anymore, I'm gonna build the packages manually. Should I re-add it in this case or just remove it?
[19:19] <cjwatson> that's sounding like you want to remove it, but up to you
[19:20] <Shock> cjwatson: thanks
[19:21] <Shock> I've removed the ppa and now apt-get update finishes successfully without any errors
[19:21] <Shock> thank you everyone for your help!
[19:21] <Shock> is this a bug in apt-get or gpg?
[19:22] <bdmurray> doko: I'll have a look.
[19:23] <cjwatson> bug> pass, best way to tell would be to figure out how to reproduce it reliably; hope you kept a copy of that zulcss-libvirt.gpg key file, I should have mentioned that
[19:25] <Shock> cjwatson: damn, I've just deleted it
[19:26] <Shock> cjwatson: do you want me to re-add the ppa and see if it's reproducible?
[19:26] <cjwatson> Shock: I'm just driving by here; perhaps that would be a useful thing to try, but I'm not a relevant package maintainer or anything here
[19:27] <cjwatson> (I mean, I'm a developer, just not of either apt or gnupg)
[19:34] <rbasak> Shock: it sounds to me that the zulcss-libvirt.gpg was truncated or corrupted somehow. I suspect it'll be really hard to pin down what happened there.
[20:01] <teward> anyone know how frequently the autopkgtests pages update?
[20:02] <teward> nevermind, i have different questions now
[20:25] <wolsen> bdmurray, thx for the feedback on the patch for bug 1089013, I've updated the patch fwiw
[20:59] <smoser> anyone have an idea what would be triggering /usr/lib/update-notifier/update-motd-updates-available to run
[20:59] <smoser> bug 1527710
[21:00] <smoser> i dont think its an apt-get udpate. but i think that thing is responsible for failures i was seeing in curtin installs and also for failures we're seeing in d-i server installs
[21:00] <smoser> such as the one seen https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/smoke-default/job/ubuntu-xenial-server-amd64-smoke-default/28/console
[21:01] <smoser> i believe d-i is refusing to unmount the target filesystem because something is running inside, and i belive update-motd to be that thing.
[21:30] <chiluk> mterry do you want to do an upload for pad.lv/1535349
[21:31] <tedg> How do I find out the same as "lsb_release --codename" for a package that is building, for which target it is building to?
[21:31] <kenvandine> bdmurray, that branch looks good, but i need to test it on a device
[21:31] <kenvandine> bdmurray, i'll make sure I do that tomorrow morning
[21:31] <chiluk> mterry, arges, pitti would any of you be interested in sponsoring an upload for bug 1535349
[21:32] <arges> chiluk: i can take a look
[21:32] <chiluk> thanks arges.
[21:33] <chiluk> or at least reviewing.
[21:41] <lukesoft>  is there a way of know the language used in a package, before downloading the sources....i want to try out fixing a bug or 2 but only if its a java application...but i dont seem to see any other way to know its a java programm before downloading the sources
[21:42] <TheMuso> lukesoft: You could check the package dependencies. That can probably give you a clue, particularly if its a java application.
[21:46] <Shock> cjwatson & rbasak: I've re-added the ppa and now I'm getting the signature verification errors again
[21:46] <lukesoft> TheMuso: thanks for the response, iam sorry that iam probably asking stupid questions as all this is still confusing.
[21:46] <smoser> ok... so now i'm 99% certain that the apt-check thing is indeed caused by 'apt-get update' (
[21:46] <smoser>  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier:APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success
[21:47] <Shock> cjwatson & rbasak: and the gpg error is the same "gpg: keyblock resource `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/zulcss-libvirt.gpg': resource limit"
[21:50] <doko> so what am I doing wrong here? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tbb/4.4~20151115-0ubuntu2  this builds locally ...
[22:23] <bdmurray> smoser: Why did you change update-notifier the way you did when you mentioned 99update-notifier being the issue?
[22:37] <infinity> doko: Looks like a missing build-dep on dh-exec to me.
[22:50] <doko> infinity, oh, of course
[23:05] <kirkland> smoser: did you get to the bottom of the update-motd / d-i / umount problem?