[12:00] <venzen> erUSUL: how abt samba to share with network?
[12:01] <erUSUL> venzen: well a amn fstab and man mount could had help you 2 years ago ;)
[12:01] <ninjafish> exit
[12:01] <venzen> erUSUL: yep :)
[12:01] <ninjafish> lol!
[12:02] <iqbala> hey all
[12:02] <mustafu> How to enable multiverse in breezy?  I don't see any lines for it in my sources.list file...
[12:02] <iqbala> i switch my laptop from work to home and everytime i need to run /etc/init.d/networking restart to get the dhcp ip
[12:02] <erUSUL> !tell mustafu about repos
[12:03] <iqbala> any better way to do it automatically?
[12:03] <war-totem> i have an xserver question
[12:04] <erUSUL> iqbala: i don't think so. maybe  breezy comes whith network applet?
[12:04] <jxpx> what
[12:04] <war-totem> everything in ubuntu has been fine but now whne i reboot i get can not connect to xserver
[12:04] <war-totem> when i sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:04] <war-totem> it says it is not installed
[12:04] <war-totem> am i screwed?
[12:04] <cafuego_> you on breezy?
[12:05] <war-totem> no
[12:05] <war-totem> hoary i believe
[12:05] <erUSUL> war-totem: install it
[12:05] <war-totem> will all my files be there?
[12:05] <cafuego_> 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg' - what does that say?
[12:05] <LaschW> war-totem: Try to "apt-get install xserver-xorg"
[12:05] <erUSUL> war-totem: maybe you have xserver-xfree?
[12:05] <cafuego_> war-totem: Hold on, did you have /usr on a seperate partition?
[12:05] <war-totem> no
[12:05] <Diffindo> I could use some help getting my sound to work...
[12:05] <war-totem> no partitions
[12:05] <war-totem> its downloading now
[12:05] <war-totem> but why would xserve delete itself?
[12:06] <cafuego_> war-totem: it wouldn't normally.
[12:06] <venzen> iqbala - caution - if you don't yet know how to update sources.list then you shouldn't install breezy - it's technically unstable
[12:06] <Peaker> If I want to manually download a bleeding-edge version of an ubuntu package, how can I put the "debian/" dir that was generated by ubuntu developers for the previous version? is it safe to just copy it? is there a better way? is it a bad idea?
[12:06] <cafuego_> war-totem: dpkg -l | grep xserver
[12:06] <cafuego_> war-totem: what does that say?
[12:06] <war-totem> cafuego one sec im downloading it
[12:06] <cafuego_> war-totem: (you cna ctrl-c the download)
[12:06] <war-totem> then ill tell you
[12:07] <venzen> Peaker what?
[12:07] <cafuego_> It's important you run that BEFORE the install of the new one.
[12:07] <erUSUL> Diffindo: if you told us your souncard model...
[12:07] <venzen> debian/ ?
[12:07] <Diffindo> Audio: C-Media Electronics CMI9761 (OSS Mixer) <- I get no sound
[12:07] <war-totem> grep lists xserver-common, xserver-xfree8, xserver-xorg
[12:07] <Diffindo> VIA 8237
[12:08] <cafuego_> war-totem: Okay, I suspect you used to have xserver-xfree86, not xserver-xorg
[12:08] <war-totem> so download xserver-xfree86?
[12:08] <erUSUL> run alsamixer
[12:08] <jontiz> apt-get iinstall windows xp
[12:08] <cafuego_> war-totem: Nah, go with xorg, works fine
[12:08] <cafuego_> (and marginally faster)
[12:08] <erUSUL> war-totem: better xserver-xorg
[12:08] <war-totem> cafuego will my files still be there?
[12:08] <Syco54645> how can i disable sudo and enable my root account in ubuntu?
[12:08] <Diffindo> erUSUL: you talkhing to me?
[12:08] <cafuego_> war-totem: Yes, they should be.
[12:09] <cafuego_> Syco54645: Why would you do something as silly as that?
[12:09] <Peaker> venzen: I created a patch of amarok, unfortunatly I did it on the "apt-get source" version of amarok, instead of the latest version
[12:09] <erUSUL> Diffindo: yes what alsamixer tells tou?
[12:09] <war-totem> rebooting
[12:09] <Peaker> venzen: I want to patch the latest version and install it, but it has no "debian/" dir (wasn't debianized)
[12:09] <cafuego_> war-totem: rebooting?
[12:09] <erUSUL> Syco54645: why do you want to do that?
[12:09] <Peaker> venzen: The question is if it is possibly safe to use the "debianization" of the latest ubuntu package of "amarok"?
[12:09] <zeroth_> How do I lock my computer?
[12:09] <Syco54645> cafuego, because i really dislike sudo and have been using linux for years... so i am hard to change
[12:09] <war-totem> cafuego i finished downloading it i guess
[12:09] <venzen> Peaker: sorry can't help :)
[12:09] <Peaker> venzen: k, thanks
[12:09] <LaschW> Syco54645: Try "sudo su -" and then run "passwd" to get a root password
[12:10] <cafuego_> Syco54645: Seta password for root via sudo, disabling sudo is a bad idea, though.
[12:10] <venzen> !tell peaker abt patching
[12:10] <erUSUL> Syco54645: use anther distri ubuntu is designed to run whithout root
[12:10] <Syco54645> cafuego, why i didnt use sudo in years past
[12:10] <sdali> I corrupted my filesystem when a IDE cable went bad on my computer so I ran fsck manually, and it fixed the problem (allowing me to log in), but in doing so it hosed some files so that I can no longer use synaptic to install pkgs. Each time I try to install ANY pkg I get a "missing newline" error. Does anyone know how to get past this? I'm thinking I need to remove and re-install synaptic.
[12:10] <Syco54645> erUSUL, that is very gentooish of you...
[12:10] <cafuego_> Syco54645: Neither did I, you get used to it pretty quick, though.
[12:11] <zeroth_> Nvm.
[12:11] <Peaker> venzen: I didn't get told...
[12:11] <cafuego_> yeah, set the NO_SUDO USE flag and rebuild the system *snort*
[12:11] <test34> Syco54645,  you can still use the root account after you enable it
[12:11] <zeroth_> How I edit setting for my SCREENSAVER? :)
[12:11] <Syco54645> cafuego, i dunno, i would rather just have good old su.  i just was tired of gentoo's bs and emerge was getting on my nerves
[12:11] <erUSUL> Syco54645: i've never used gentoo.. ;)
[12:11] <venzen> Peaker: tried man diff?
[12:11] <iqbala> there is nothing like networker daemon like in fedora
[12:11] <iqbala> ?
[12:11] <zeroth_> God, nvm. I'm tooo lazy.
[12:11] <cafuego_> Syco54645: 'sudo passwd' ought to set a root pass, as soon as that's set, you can use 'su'.
[12:12] <cafuego_> Syco54645: The X admin tools all depends on sudo though, so I'd leave it in place.
[12:12] <war-totem> cafuego thanks a lot for your help, it works now, but can you advise how to never have that happen again?
[12:12] <venzen> iqbala - redhat is strange..
[12:12] <iqbala> in fedora i could just plug it to any dhcp network it could get an IP
[12:12] <cafuego_> war-totem: Not without knowing what caused it
[12:12] <Syco54645> cafuego, ok, i just would rather have root enabled so i can break stuff better ;)
[12:12] <venzen> iqbala that's like me in ubuntu!
[12:12] <Syco54645> thanks for the help
[12:12] <erUSUL> Syco54645: sudo -s will do the trick. A root shell :D
[12:12] <Syco54645> oh and i figured out what was wrong with my drive
[12:12] <Syco54645> that i thought was dead
[12:12] <Diffindo> Okay...
[12:13] <war-totem> cafuego all i was doing previously is installing fluxbox themes and messing with the way aterm looks
[12:13] <Syco54645> if you will remember i was running on the live cd for a few months
[12:13] <Diffindo> I have my speakers turned on...
[12:13] <nalioth> cafuego_: i have a question
[12:13] <iqbala> so i cant get an IP when i plug it to a dhcp network unless run networking manually ?
[12:13] <Diffindo> I ran alsamixer
[12:13] <venzen> iqbal: top panel>admin>networking and then restart interface
[12:14] <cafuego_> nalioth: go on ...
[12:14] <drapelyk> Anyone: How do I install Java Plugin for Firefox on Ubuntu?
[12:14] <iqbala> venzen yeah but that would be doing it manually
[12:14] <Diffindo> How can I test my sound?
[12:14] <cafuego_> drapelyk: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:14] <nalioth> cafuego_: previously you pointed me to a script that would allow me to seperate ID'd users by color
[12:14] <cafuego_> Diffindo: With ears and music
[12:14] <erUSUL> !tell drapelyk about java
[12:15] <Diffindo> er...
[12:15] <Diffindo> right
[12:15] <nalioth> cafuego_: it stopped working. have you any ideas why?
[12:15] <cafuego_> nalioth: The issi script, yep
[12:15] <Syco54645> i tried to get files off of the drive yesterday and it just locked when i would mount it, so i said screw it and went to fdisk to just partition it and see if that would help.... well its an 80 gig drive and for some reason i had a 41 meg (boot) partition, a 78 gig (/) partition and a 6 gig swap partition... since i only set the swap to 768 megs when i set up gentoo i would say my partition table got a little mucked up... needless to s
[12:15] <Syco54645> ay i am using the drive and it is working quite fine for the past 3 hours.  before i ran fdisk it would work for about 20 minutes and give a dma error.
[12:15] <florg> hi, can i install kde after a standard installation of ubuntu?
[12:15] <Syco54645> that wasnt a paste!
[12:15] <cafuego_> nalioth: Did you get dis/re connected and not run '/QUOTE CAPAB identify-msg' ?
[12:15] <venzen> iqbala: yep but not too much hard work, eh? afterall you got up and plugged in the cable.
[12:15] <nalioth> cafuego_: i can run it from the beginning and nothing
[12:16] <cafuego_> nalioth: Peculiar. Let me check on irssi here
[12:16] <Diffindo> Still now audio
[12:16] <Diffindo> no*
[12:16] <jontiz> plugg in
[12:16] <iqbala> venzen: not a complain..just wondering "if" it can be done automatically
[12:16] <erUSUL> Diffindo: run ls /dev/snd/
[12:17] <cafuego_> cafuego__: hey
[12:17] <iqbala> i was just looking for a yes/no answer :-)
[12:17] <nalioth> howdy
[12:17] <cafuego_> wibble
[12:17] <venzen> iqbala: seen :)
[12:17] <nalioth> cafuego_ dribbles
[12:17] <cafuego_> nalioth: I bet they've changed the format string in the server code.
[12:17] <Diffindo> controlC0  pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D0p  pcmC0D1c  pcmC0D1p  timer
[12:17] <nalioth> cafuego_: any idears on how to fix?
[12:17] <erUSUL> Diffindo: how have you tested sound
[12:17] <erUSUL> ?
[12:17] <Diffindo> yes
[12:18] <Diffindo> still nothing
[12:18] <nalioth> cafuego_ dribbles his coffee
[12:18] <cafuego_> Hmmm, coffee.
[12:18] <nalioth> cafuego_ butters his toast
[12:18] <cafuego_> Well, it LOOKS like it's still just a + prefix
[12:19] <Diffindo> Sigh...
[12:19] <erUSUL> Diffindo: have you got two sound cards?
[12:19] <Diffindo> No
[12:19] <Diffindo> Onboard
[12:19] <Madeye> guys is it safe to use universe, and multiuniverse with breezy now?
[12:19] <venzen> nalioth are you in the room with cafuego?
[12:19] <cafuego_> nalioth; Ah, I forgot to run /quote capab before :-P
[12:19] <cafuego_> nalioth: Works OK now here.
[12:19] <floppyears> hi
[12:19] <floppyears> what's the command to generate a random password ?
[12:19] <venzen> Madeye: breezy is unstable - ie nothing is safe
[12:19] <nalioth> cafuego_: not working here
[12:19] <erUSUL> Diffindo: how have you tested sound?
[12:20] <cafuego_> nalioth: WHich irssi version you on?
[12:20] <Xorlev> Alright, I'm trying to setup an IPv6 tunnel, but its not working too well, and I have 6 packet errors. Where would I find the logs for a certain device?
[12:20] <inthenow> did half life the game ever get ported to linux?
[12:20] <nalioth> Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.9 (20031210 2316)
[12:20] <Syco54645> which kernel is breezy on?
[12:20] <cafuego_> identical, should work fine.
[12:20] <nalioth> venzen: i dont understand? we are all here together
[12:20] <cafuego_> nalioth: Is the script loaded OK?
[12:20] <Syco54645> kernel version that is
[12:20] <nalioth> cafuego_: it reports loaded (it's in autorun)
[12:21] <erUSUL> Xorlev: the logs are in Var/log/messages
[12:21] <venzen> nalioth: oh, yeh, true that
[12:21] <erUSUL> inthenow: no
[12:21] <Diffindo> Cd Player
[12:21] <floppyears> anybody know how to generate random passwords ?
[12:21] <inthenow> erUSUL: does it run in plain wine?
[12:21] <Diffindo> erUSUL: Cd Player
[12:22] <nalioth> cafuego_: i'm not seeing + signs, i'm seeing ~user
[12:22] <inthenow> are there any good free 3d linux games?
[12:22] <erUSUL> Diffindo: and have you tried whith a mp3
[12:22] <Diffindo> now
[12:22] <Diffindo> no*
[12:22] <venzen> floppyears: go top panel>system>admin>users> and when editing or creating new user you have a button to do random passwd
[12:22] <cafuego_> floppyears: pwgen or somesuch; apt-cache search password generator
[12:22] <erUSUL> Diffindo: maybe the cable for cd playing is not plug correctly
[12:22] <floppyears> venzen: no, I want to create a random password so that I can use that for personal use
[12:22] <Diffindo> oh helll
[12:23] <Diffindo> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///media/cdrom0/AeroSmith%20-%20I%20Don't%20Want%20to%20Miss%20a%20Thing.mp3", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[12:23] <cafuego_> floppyears: bash your head on the keyboard a few times, sue that
[12:23] <nalioth> cafuego_: perhaps i could go and change all + for ~  in my script?
[12:23] <floppyears> cafuego_: hehe I like that idea
[12:23] <floppyears> cafuego_: thanks pwgen did it :)
[12:23] <venzen> floppyears: ok, follow cafuego's advice - i like apt-get install revelation
[12:23] <erUSUL> Diffindo: you have multiverse an gstreamer-mad instaled
[12:24] <nalioth> cafuego_: on my client, ~clients aren't IDd
[12:24] <Diffindo> whut?
[12:24] <floppyears> venzen: I had used apt-cache search, but I guess I didn't use enough keywords :)
[12:24] <Diffindo> Well...
[12:24] <BlueEagle> Anyone know why the installer attempts to load the floppy module three times?
[12:24] <imnowme> cafuego_, Holland?
[12:24] <boogie> welcome to ubuntu mofos!!!
[12:24] <erUSUL> Diffindo: you have multiverse an gstreamer0.8-mad instaled
[12:25] <nalioth> boogie: please be civil
[12:25] <erUSUL> Diffindo: multiverse is the repo
[12:25] <Diffindo> I have the IDE cable from CD Drive, would I need the audio cable that goes to my sound card?
[12:25] <nalioth> Diffindo: if you want to use the cdplayer app, yes
[12:25] <boogie> Diffindo: no
[12:25] <Diffindo> elUSUL: I don't have any clue what multiverse is...
[12:25] <boogie> depends if the application can extract the music digitally
[12:25] <erUSUL> Diffindo: to listen to audio CD (no data) yes
[12:25] <Diffindo> I just barely installed
[12:25] <cafuego_> imnowme: That's a country in europe.
[12:26] <erUSUL> Diffindo:  if you are listen to mp3 in a data cd no
[12:26] <segosa> i've just turned 18 and i don't feel different. how boring. people suck.
[12:26] <imnowme> are you from there, that's what i was asking
[12:26] <erUSUL> !tell Diffindo about repos
[12:27] <ds[de] > segosa: lol what did you expect?
[12:27] <Diffindo> that's it, I'll just pirate XP and use ubuntu for servers
[12:27] <segosa> not much really. :p
[12:27] <segosa> but usually people are all 'omg you're legal now haxhax'
[12:27] <segosa> but then when you think about it, there's nothing i can do now that i couldn't before.
[12:27] <ds[de] > exactly
[12:27] <boogie> where i live girls are legal at 16, not 18
[12:28] <segosa> and i'd prefer to be young.
[12:28] <ds[de] > that is, if you didn't care for the law before
[12:28] <segosa> more time to learn shit
[12:28] <ds[de] > me too
[12:28] <nalioth> boogie: Diffindo: those topics belong in #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[12:28] <ds[de] > and you're not responsible (so much)
[12:28] <segosa> heh
[12:28] <segosa> yeah
[12:28] <segosa> now if i do something stupid online i could go to jail. damn
[12:28] <boogie> women are tight at 16-18
[12:28] <erUSUL> Diffindo: try sudo apt-get install beep-media-player gstreamer-plugins gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:29] <CarlFK> boogie - you have been warned
[12:29] <neighborlee> boogie, this topic does not belong here..please take it to: #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:29] <segosa> heh
[12:29] <segosa> no one warned me
[12:29] <CarlFK> yer smart enough ;)
[12:30] <ds[de] > hehe
[12:30] <boogie> CarlFK you're not even a mod, lol
[12:30] <segosa> there's no such thing as a mod on irc.
[12:30] <cafuego_> boogie: Don't assume because they're not on the channel they're not watching you.
[12:30] <boogie> you don't have @
[12:30] <cafuego_> boogie: That's a famous last mistake.
[12:31] <cafuego_> boogie: Ops here fdon't idle with an @ on the channel, but they ARE here.
[12:31] <boogie> alrighty then
[12:31] <nalioth> cafuego_: flarbling script SOB
[12:31] <cafuego_> nalioth: Still no joy?
[12:32] <nalioth> cafuego_: /me read the fine manual, and found other options
[12:32] <cafuego_> boogie: op presence should be the ONLY reason for you not to behave like a teenager though.
[12:32] <cafuego_> should NOT be the only reason...
[12:32] <Kyral> Anyone know a good interface to IpTables?
[12:32] <CarlFK> heh - I was wondering about that logic
[12:32] <sdali> I found a "solution" to my problem. I moved /var/lib/dpkg/info to info_moved, ran synaptic to install anything I could find (acct pkg). It worked, so I moved the acct info files to info_moved, and then moved the whole dir back to info. Voila. I can now install pkgs without getting the "missing newline error". Sheesh.
[12:32] <erUSUL> sdali: congrats
[12:32] <sdali> :)
[12:32] <ds[de] > which source do I have to add to /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to install azureus via "sudo apt-get install azureus"? apt-get says it can't find the package now
[12:32] <cafuego_> Kyral: for a desktop box? try firestarter. nice and easy.
[12:32] <nalioth> everyone in channel should act in a civil fashion
[12:32] <CarlFK> Kyral - I use shorewall.  ot sure I would call it "good" but it works and seems to be popular
[12:32] <Kyral> cafuego, I'm not running a "standard" box
[12:33] <nalioth> Kyral: who is?
[12:33] <artjermyn> anyone have any luck installing the latest java in breezy?
[12:33] <Kyral> I run SSHD during the day so I can remologin from the computer labs and FreeNX
[12:33] <CarlFK> for a desktop box, just don't install any servers ;)
[12:33] <nalioth> cafuego_: do i have to /set ID nick color every time i use this bloody thing?
[12:33] <cafuego_> that way I cna blame myself when I mess up, not a bug in a script.
[12:33] <erUSUL> CarlFK: i tried shorewall but it blocked my dns resolution :( i'm using fireHOL
[12:34] <cafuego_> nalioth: not if you run /save once after you set it.
[12:34] <Kyral> I basically wanna throw a rule into place that will deny all SSH connections that do not come from my campus' IP block
[12:34] <CarlFK> erUSUL - what did you expect a firewall to do, let everything in and out? ;)
[12:34] <spacey>  Kyral /etc/hosts.allow if i'm not mistaken
[12:34] <nalioth> cafuego_: whatever that did
[12:35] <Kyral> so I'd put XXX.XXX.*.*?
[12:35] <cafuego_> nalioth: The format strings are stored in the save file, if you didn't save after setting 'em, it can't store 'em ;-)
[12:35] <erUSUL> CarlFK: well it have to let me browse the web... XD
[12:35] <spacey> Kyral, `man hosts.allow`
[12:36] <cafuego_> Clarkson.edu is <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[12:36] <Kyral> ....
[12:36] <Kyral> Do I wanna know how you found that out...
[12:37] <spacey> looking at netblock owner ?
[12:37] <prentice> I currently have two screens. On the second, I remove all panels, and everything is great until I logout/login again. Gnome rebuilds the default panels for the screen. Is there a way to disable this?
[12:38] <erUSUL> prentice: have you tried save current session in the log out dialog?
[12:38] <TokenBad> ok I installed the kde desktop
[12:38] <TokenBad> now question
[12:38] <prentice> Nope. That sounds like a good idea though. I'll try.
[12:38] <TokenBad> when I go to have it do the background slide show thing
[12:39] <TokenBad> and pick files off the mounted drive
[12:39] <TokenBad> says can only use local files
[12:39] <TokenBad> so whats going on with that
[12:39] <moparfan90> hello whats a good window manager thats easy to use and fast?
[12:39] <cafuego_> Kyral: "up /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s ! <IP_ADDRESS>/16 -p tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT"  in /etc/network/interfaces 9under eth0) would see you sorted too. it'd get reloaded each boot.
[12:39] <nalioth> moparfan90: xfce4, enlightenment, fluxbox, and on and on
[12:39] <apokryphos> moparfan90: lighweight window managers include enlightenment, fluxbox
[12:40] <Kyral> is that nine in front of the under supposed to be there
[12:40] <apokryphos> nalioth: I think xfce's WM is called something else, isn't it?
[12:40] <Kyral> and should I sudo that?
[12:40] <cafuego_> Kyral: That rule would block all tcp traffic to port 22 if it didn't originate at <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[12:40] <erUSUL> moparfan90: windowmaker
[12:40] <boogie> enlightenment e17
[12:40] <cafuego_> Kyral: only rhe bit inbetwene the double quotes is relevant
[12:40] <cafuego_> in between
[12:40] <Kyral> oh I also had lokkit active
[12:40] <Kyral> would this override the rules or...
[12:41] <moox> Hi ! Is there many differences between gnome 2.10 and 2.12 ? I saw the screenshots but nothing seems very different
[12:41] <cafuego_> Kyral: This would currently be appened, so it would probably not override anything.
[12:41] <nalioth> apokryphos: i only know xfce4
[12:41] <prentice> erUSUL: good idea, but it didn't work.
[12:41] <boogie> 2.12 has a menu editor
[12:41] <nalioth> cafuego_: waaaaah, now my nick won't hilight lol
[12:41] <moox> boogie, Yes
[12:41] <cafuego_> ALso try "iptables -t nat -a PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 22 -j MIRROR"  if you feel like being a BOFH
[12:41] <moparfan90> what do you think is the best one????
[12:41] <moox> boogie, but gnome 2.10 too if you install the right packag
[12:42] <prentice> gnome seems to reimport the default panels if no panels exist for a screen. make since as a safety feature.
[12:42] <TokenBad> anyone know what would cause that in kde?
[12:42] <erUSUL> prentice: i don't have to manitros so...
[12:42] <cafuego_> (That would allow them to log in on their OWN box without realising ;-)
[12:42] <apokryphos> nalioth: aha, xfwm -- that's it.
[12:42] <nalioth> moparfan90: try them all and use what you like
[12:42] <boogie>  amsn CVS supports webcam, horrraayyy!!!
[12:42] <cafuego_> nalioth: It's not monday yet, why are you having issues? ;-)
[12:42] <nalioth> cafuego_: what's monday? lol
[12:42] <Kyral> Do I stick those under the Primary Network Interface line?
[12:42] <erUSUL> moparfan90: best for whom? it always dependes on personal taste
[12:42] <apokryphos> Kopete svn has full webcam support, horray! 8)
[12:43] <Kyral> I'm using Ubuntu's default network file
[12:43] <boogie> apokryphos - you tried it?
[12:43] <cyphase_> Gaim has full webcam support, horraayyy!
[12:43] <cyphase_> wait..
[12:43] <cyphase_> no it doesn't
[12:43] <cafuego_> nalioth: mondays traditionally suck
[12:43] <cyphase_> :)
[12:44] <apokryphos> boogie: haven't actually; I've been delaying latest svn for my new computer, which just got delayed last week
[12:44] <Kyral> cafuego, where do I put that line again?
[12:44] <nalioth> cafuego_: i've lost track of mondays many years ago (seems i've always got 7dayaweek jobs
[12:44] <apokryphos> cyphase: maybe one day ;-)
[12:45] <pippin-> What is the best IRC client ever?
[12:45] <boogie> mirc
[12:45] <CarlFK> bx
[12:45] <tdn> Can I get XnView on Ubuntu?
[12:45] <pippin-> bx sucks, mirc sucks
[12:46] <cyphase_> XChat is pretty good
[12:46] <tdn> pippin-, are you trying to start a religion war?
[12:46] <boogie> mirc IS irc
[12:46] <pippin-> tdn hehe, hell no
[12:46] <tdn> pippin-, irssi
[12:46] <pippin-> xchat is good gui client
[12:46] <pippin-> irssi is good term client
[12:46] <nalioth> irc client discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[12:46] <erUSUL> pippin-: Chatzilla
[12:46] <pippin-> Chatzilla is stupid web java IRC
[12:46] <boogie> gaim supports irc no?
[12:46] <moox> IrSSi
[12:46] <pippin-> yea gaim supports IRC in the latest version I think
[12:46] <pippin-> so is trillian
[12:46] <pippin-> xircon is a great IRC client too
[12:47] <cafuego_> Kyral: "up /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s ! <IP_ADDRESS>/16 -p tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT" in /etc/network/interfaces associated with the iface eth0 stanza.
[12:47] <[FiDO] > has anyone tried to run Ubuntu with Microsoft Virtual PC
[12:47] <pippin-> but I love epic, and irssi
[12:47] <boogie> trillian new version is quite nice
[12:47] <cafuego_> [FiDO] : I sued to run Debian in that on the Mac, works fine.
[12:47] <[FiDO] > ubuntu isn't displaying right for me
[12:47] <pippin-> boogie I didn't upgrade mine
[12:47] <[FiDO] > colors are all messed up
[12:47] <Kyral> and where do I put that BOFH one (because I do enjoy being a BOFH :D)
[12:47] <pippin-> boogie what is the latest ver of trillian and does trillian works in linux?
[12:47] <erUSUL> pippin-: *javascript* not java
[12:48] <cafuego_> in X? Oh, I nevere did run X
[12:48] <moox> I saw somewhere Xen will be in the next ubuntu. What is the utility of Xen for desktop use ?
[12:48] <pippin-> erUSUL yea that's it
[12:48] <[FiDO] > it installed fine but the gui is screwed
[12:48] <boogie> no trillian is windows only which really sucks, latest is 3.1 i think
[12:48] <pippin-> I checked to update trillian, it said no upgrades are available.
[12:48] <fmasi> Helo I am a gentoo user and i want to merg my descktop system to ubuntu. But i would like to know what would be the inplications of instaling 5.10 instad of 5.04.
[12:48] <pippin-> so I might have the latest version aight?
[12:49] <boogie> #gentoo
[12:49] <boogie> oh sorry
[12:49] <moox> fmasi, no support for 5.10 yet
[12:49] <pippin-> no need to be sorry
[12:49] <Kyral> Would be very funny to redirect them to thier own SSH port :D
[12:49] <Kyral> just the kind of irony I enjoy :D
[12:49] <fmasi> but is ther enny know problem whith 5.10
[12:50] <cyphase> a lot of bugs
[12:50] <cyphase> well, not to many..
[12:50] <cyphase> but it isn't done
[12:50] <fmasi> would it be mutch bether to install 5.04 ? or 5.10 its ok
[12:50] <cyphase> 5.04
[12:50] <cyphase> well
[12:50] <cyphase> 5.10 is ok
[12:50] <Hergiswi> brb, rebotoing
[12:50] <Hergiswi> rebooting, even
[12:50] <moox> fmasi, or wait until 5.10 release
[12:50] <cyphase> if your willing to play around with it in the event of bugs
[12:50] <pippin-> moox
[12:51] <boogie> monica lewinski is studying in my uni next year, shame i'm leaving, lol
[12:51] <DewDude> breezy has been nice the entire time i've been running it
[12:51] <cyphase> same here
[12:51] <cyphase> except for a probem with X
[12:51] <fmasi> and how is the update system of ubuntu whoul i nead to reinstal every thing from scratch if i install 5.04 ?
[12:51] <DewDude> i got finally got the graphical bootprocess today after i apt-get upgrade and decided to reboot
[12:51] <cyphase> but i've been vnc'ing in, so i don't have the problem :)
[12:51] <boogie> the preview release is not too bad
[12:51] <Kyral> time to drop the interface and load up the new one
[12:52] <DewDude> well, my box is a toy anyway
[12:52] <DewDude> i could care less if it dies
[12:52] <DewDude> i got the main one sittin next to it
[12:52] <Kyral> It isn't taking the line, too many parameters
[12:52] <fmasi> i am use to update every thing whith gentoo and never nead to get new cds will ubuntu be like that too ?
[12:52] <moox> does anyone compare ubuntu and linspire ? Which of them are best for desktop ?
[12:53] <neighborlee> mo
[12:53] <boogie> no
[12:53] <boogie> linspire?
[12:53] <robertbb> lol
[12:53] <moox> lindows
[12:53] <neighborlee> moox, depends on ones needs I suppose but generally speaking ubuntu wont bite so much of your pocketbook but takes a tad more fine tuning for some things..but hey free works fo rme and it a great community ( so its linpsire but hey )\
[12:54] <nalioth> moox and company, please take your comparisons to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:54] <fmasi> hate that dows sufix
[12:54] <boogie> linspire is useless, if you want a real easy distro try Xandros
[12:54] <bdt1805> hey everyone, Im fairly new to linux, and I am wondering which filesystem would be best for a 20gb hdd.
[12:54] <TokenBad> anyone here use kde with ubuntu?
[12:54] <nalioth> #ubuntu-offtopic has fireproof fixtures, so y'all can talk to yer hearts content
[12:54] <nalioth> bdt1805: ext3
[12:54] <nalioth> TokenBad: yes, lots
[12:54] <delire_movie> bdt1805: ext3 is a good safe bet
[12:54] <boogie> ext3 is reliable - but slow
[12:54] <neighborlee> boogie, xandros has its own problems similar to linspire just different ones.. linspire is far from useless
[12:55] <delire_movie> boogie: compared to what reiserfs4?
[12:55] <CarlFK> bdt1805 - the defaults are a safe bet
[12:55] <boogie> delire_movie - compared to everything according to the last comparison i saw
[12:55] <moox> ok, need2sleep! see ya
[12:55] <TokenBad> nalioth, I installed kde to use..and was going to use the slide show option for the background...but when tried to pick backgrounds from my mounted drives..says can only pick local files...why does it not let me pick the mounted drive..even though gnome and xfce did?
[12:55] <delire_movie> boogie: link please
[12:55] <boogie> Xfs is also faster than ext3
[12:55] <ompaul> neighborlee, boogie moox please take the conversation to the channel #ubuntu-offtopic so this place can be used to help
[12:55] <fmasi> i am use to update every thing whith gentoo and never nead to get new cds will ubuntu be like that too ?
[12:55] <boogie> let me look for it
[12:56] <Logtime> hello
[12:56] <bdt1805> is xfs stable?
[12:56] <Logtime> No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[12:56] <CarlFK> fmasi  yes
[12:56] <Logtime> help :)
[12:56] <Logtime> help :)
[12:56] <Logtime> No targets specified and no makefile found.   Yes. The filesystem? Not here.
[12:56] <bdt1805> logtime youve got to run ./configure
[12:57] <fmasi> so it will change a gnome 2.10 to 2.12 easy easy right?
[12:57] <delire_movie> boogie: no doubt you are talking about high end hard-disk recording or similar. ext3 on a disk with DMA will not be noticeably slower than any other fs for nearly any normal daily application.
[12:57] <ompaul> fmasi, once you install it should never need to be, but it is not a new version every day it is develop release maintain while maintain goes forth new develops happen
[12:57] <CarlFK> fmasi - thats the plan ;)
[12:57] <Kyral> yah but I wanna know how to implement that rule that turns all denied SSH attempts back on the attempter
[12:57] <Syco54645> when updating to breezy, once apt is done does it reboot the system automatically
[12:57] <Syco54645> because if not im gonna go get some food
[12:57] <Kyral> I know like nothing about iptables :P
[12:57] <neighborlee> ompaul, I had no intention to carry it on any further, so to not allow someone to falsely acuse a given distro of being 'usesless'
[12:57] <apokryphos> Syco54645: it doesn't
[12:57] <boogie> http://fsbench.netnation.com/
[12:57] <Logtime> bdt1805, i ruinned ./configure
[12:57] <Syco54645> apokryphos: ok thanks
[12:57] <cafuego_> Syco54645: Of course not. WHy would it need to reboot?
[12:57] <Syco54645> cafuego: new kernel :P
[12:58] <TokenBad> nalioth, any idea?
[12:58] <cafuego_> Syco54645: Ah, no.. that's a manual job :-)
[12:58] <apokryphos> Syco54645: it can run on the old of course though
[12:58] <Syco54645> apokryphos: yeah i know
[12:58] <Syco54645> well i am out for food
[12:58] <Syco54645> thanks for the help guys
[12:58] <bdt1805> you prbably dont have the right compiler
[12:58] <nalioth> TokenBad: if the drives are mounted properly, they should be "local" drives
[12:58] <fmasi> CarlFK so its ok if i put the 5.04 and use an update system. Do you think i should install the 5.10 direcli or use 5.04 and then update ?
[12:58] <cafuego_> damn this yiddish spam!
[12:59] <Logtime> c compilier
[12:59] <Logtime> no?
[12:59] <nalioth> TokenBad: try symlinking your folder of pix into your homedir
[12:59] <TokenBad> well I could access the files and everything in gnome and all that
[12:59] <delire> boogie: that doesn't say ext3 is slower, just more demanding.
[12:59] <bdt1805> logtime: sometimes they use gcc, etc
[12:59] <TokenBad> but only in kde is it now giving me trouble
[12:59] <Logtime> yes gcc i installed it
[12:59] <boogie> delire let me find the one i saw last time
[12:59] <cafuego_> fmasi: There is funtionally no difference between those two. One means downtime, the other doesn't.
[12:59] <test34> where can I stop the clock synchonization at bootup ?
[12:59] <bdt1805> check the requirements and download everything it tells you, it will tell you in the readme file usually
[12:59] <CarlFK> fmasi - my guess is you should install 504 and wait till 5.10 is ready
[12:59] <Logtime> someone try to compile gftp
[01:00] <delire> boogie: and xfs, like reiserfs is solid for heavy and specific I/O applications, like large file transfers.
[01:00] <crimsun> Logtime: sudo apt-get build-dep gftp
[01:00] <cafuego_> or insert a 5.10 CD in a 5.04 box and it'll ask you if you would like to upgrade now.
[01:00] <fmasi> CarlFK ok when is 2.10 gona be ready enny idea ?
[01:00] <crimsun> Logtime: then you'll need to add libssl-dev, too
[01:00] <cafuego_> delire: Otoh, with many small files, it's _slooooow_
[01:00] <Logtime> i did apt-get source gftp it's the same crimsun ?
[01:01] <delire> cafuego_: exactly. eg normal daily use
[01:01] <cafuego_> fmasi: 2.10 has been in Ubuntu 5.04 since it released, 6 months ago.
[01:01] <CarlFK> the x.y is the date - Oct 05
[01:01] <dhonn> how do i fix the apt-get "dependancy hell" problem?
[01:01] <Kyral> cafuego_, that line about the redirecting the denied SSH probes won't affect my legit ones?
[01:01] <fmasi> CarlFK ok so it may take some time i gess
[01:01] <crimsun> Logtime: "apt-get build-dep gftp" != "apt-get source gftp"
[01:01] <dhonn> i try to install a dependancy and it asks me to install another and another
[01:01] <dhonn> and another
[01:01] <cafuego_> Kyral: It will if you use the faulty rule I posted
[01:02] <cafuego_> Kyral: .. so don't use that one :-)
[01:02] <ompaul> dhonn, dependancy hell never seen it you must be doing something I am not
[01:02] <Kyral> how would I implement it so it would return send the denied attempts back at them?
[01:02] <delire> dhonn: it sounds likely that you have a broken sources.list.
[01:02] <dhonn> i think it all started when i installed something
[01:02] <erUSUL> dhonn: well apt shoul have avoided the "dependancy hell" it works here (tm)
[01:02] <cafuego_> dhonn: What did you install? Soemthing designed for another Ubuntu version and/or Debian?
[01:02] <delire> dhonn: something third party, perhaps.
[01:02] <sybariten> i'm back, maybe someone remember me from yesterday, with a broken iMac
[01:03] <ompaul> dhonn, what was it you installed, and how did you install it?
[01:03] <fmasi> CarlFK i am looking forward to test ubuntu becouse i have a entreprise whith some frinds and whe only whork whith linux so we are looking for a easy desktop sistem for oure por windows clients
[01:03] <dhonn> i guess ymessenger
[01:03] <Kyral> Wait I think I know
[01:03] <bdt1805> anybody, I have a question about hardware support, does x.org automatically support hardware acceleration for radeon cards?
[01:03] <delire> dhonn: best to stick with the Ubuntu designated repo's. dependencies and versioning is regulated very tightly.
[01:03] <cafuego_> Kyral: Use the exact same rule, but use '-j MIRROR' instead of '-j REJECT'
[01:03] <jamie_1> Hi ppl
[01:03] <Kyral> yah
[01:03] <Kyral> thats very evil
[01:03] <venzen> fmasi: so you chose the correct distro
[01:03] <Kyral> I love it :D
[01:03] <cafuego_> ymessenger is known to be broken
[01:03] <dhonn> man
[01:04] <dhonn> what do i do to fix it now
[01:04] <cafuego_> Kyral: It is. I usedit to redirect back orifice and MS SQL worm requests
[01:04] <dhonn> remove it?
[01:04] <ompaul> dhonn, what delire said - gaim which is installed by default does the job you want done
[01:04] <cafuego_> dhonn: yes
[01:04] <delire> dhonn: yes
[01:04] <fmasi> and since i have gentoo at my server at home i want to chenge from suse to ubuntu for my leptop
[01:04] <jamie_1> Hello, I have a question: Where do I start building a program on Kubuntu?
[01:04] <venzen> fmasi : use hoary and then reinstall breezy when it is officially released
[01:04] <Kyral> and it will autoload everytime eth0 is activated right?
[01:04] <cafuego_> !ymessenger is broken, use gaim instead.
[01:04] <ubotu> cafuego_: okay
[01:04] <delire> dhonn: sudo apt-get remove ymessenger
[01:04] <cafuego_> Kyral: if it's in the interfaces file, yes
[01:04] <fmasi> we i maby do that but i lasy whith instalations
[01:04] <Kyral> very nice
[01:05] <fmasi> wel, used to gentoo instaling
[01:05] <erUSUL> jamie_1: in a terminal emulator, maybe konsole?
[01:05] <fmasi> takes ages
[01:05] <tashiro> mdz: Hi, I saw that you're the maintainer of mythtv. It seems that the packages are broken on the powerpc arch. There are mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend missing.
[01:05] <test34> nevermind, I found it: sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[01:05] <Kyral> I'm gonna have to find out what ports I do use, then set the rest to mirror the attacks back :D
[01:05] <venzen> fmasi - ubuntu is fast - 30 - 40 mins
[01:05] <cafuego_> Kyral: it's not the ideal way for a complex firewall, but with a single rule, it works fine.
[01:05] <jamie_1> erUSUL: konsoile, going to look now
[01:05] <nalioth> tashiro: they're not missing. build them with apt-get
[01:05] <Kyral> cafuego, yah
[01:05] <fmasi> a that ok compared to the 5 houres i take whith gentoo
[01:05] <allen> Hi everyone
[01:06] <Kyral> and I assume it will let FreeNX through?
[01:06] <sybariten> the livecd has no "toram" option does it ?
[01:06] <Kyral> what port does FreeNX use anyway...
[01:06] <venzen> fmasi - be sure to make a seperate /home dir and then you can install new ubuntu versions and keep your home
[01:06] <cafuego_> Kyral: Yes, it ONLY affects incoming non-lcoal ssh
[01:06] <fmasi> what i dont like in suse is that ther is no apt nether portage so its arg to instal softwers
[01:06] <tashiro> nalioth: Thanks, yep that can I do. Nevertheless they are missing in the repo :-)
[01:06] <dhonn> so ymessenger for debian woody is broken on Ubuntu?
[01:06] <fmasi> thats a good idea
[01:06] <bdt1805> ok one more question, where to go for practice exams on the A+ OS exam?
[01:06] <venzen> fmasi - new ubuntu version +- every 6 months
[01:06] <fmasi> how mutch space thas the ubunto instalation take ?
[01:06] <nalioth> tashiro: there are lots of powerpc binaries not available in the repos
[01:06] <cafuego_> dhonn: Yes. Do _NOT_ use debian apckages on Ubuntu. Especially such old ones.
[01:06] <ompaul> dhonn, anything for woody should stay there
[01:06] <delire> dhonn: consider all debian woody applications broken on Ubuntu given they are not officially supported.
[01:06] <jamie_1> erUSUL, in konsole..... so how do I build the actuall program? waht kind of programming does it take?
[01:07] <erUSUL> jamie_1: what  file format comes the package in?
[01:07] <nalioth> delire: consider all debian pkgs broken on ubuntu
[01:07] <venzen> fmasi: standard install abt 4Gb
[01:07] <delire> nalioth: yes
[01:07] <nalioth> jamie_1: depends on what you want to build
[01:07] <jamie_1> erUSUL: File format?
[01:07] <fmasi> venzen is ther alots of pakages for ubuntu or not as meny as in gentoo
[01:07] <jamie_1> nalioth: A Star Trek game..........
[01:08] <ompaul> dhonn, if it don't say ubuntu and you are not told to use it here then I would say Stay away!
[01:08] <erUSUL> what program do you want to build?
[01:08] <cafuego_> fmasi: 2GB normally. More if you add more stuff.
[01:08] <jamie_1> erUSUL: Star Trek game
[01:08] <venzen> fmasi I'm not sure - but ubuntu has a LOT - and always up to date
[01:08] <erUSUL> jamie_1: and what files you have downloaded?
[01:08] <cafuego_> !dstats hoary
[01:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[01:09] <fmasi> venzen nice then
[01:09] <Kyral> the rule isn't firing up..
[01:09] <jamie_1> erUSUL: I have no idea
[01:09] <cafuego_> fmasi: would 16,270 be enough?
[01:09] <venzen> hehe
[01:09] <TokenBad> nalioth, figured it out...it was a stupid mistake on my part
[01:09] <Kyral> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
[01:09] <Kyral> Failed to bring up eth0.
[01:09] <sportman> hey
[01:09] <sportman> im trying to instal vmware
[01:09] <ompaul> dhonn, whatever about rpms working on various distros causing hell - the pain happens faster and with much more speed with .debs
[01:09] <fmasi> venzen gentoo takes tomutch time and space for a desktop
[01:09] <sportman> and it says What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[01:09] <sportman> kernel?
[01:09] <boogie> do you guys prefer kubuntu over mepis? lets be honest
[01:09] <sportman> what would the location be?
[01:09] <sybariten> how do you reset a freakin iMac ?
[01:09] <cafuego_> Kyral: Does it work when you run it by hand?
[01:09] <erUSUL> jamie_1: so you want to build the game out of thin air??? XD
[01:09] <ompaul> boogie, stop trolling
[01:09] <chavo> sportman, did you install the kernel headers?
[01:10] <sportman> i dunno
[01:10] <cafuego_> sybariten: via the reset button if it's old and by holding power if it's new
[01:10] <jamie_1> erUSUL: yup. out of thin air........ talk in PM
[01:10] <sportman> i just went thorugh the vmware installer
[01:10] <bdt1805> is it just me or is the 5.10 preview release of ubuntu really unstable...
[01:10] <sportman> and this is where i am
[01:10] <sportman> lol
[01:10] <venzen> fmasi - i don't know gentoo, but ubuntu fits your specs: easy, stable, practical
[01:10] <chavo> sportman, if you had them installed ,the vmware installer would find them
[01:10] <sportman> ahh
[01:10] <sportman> so no ...
[01:10] <sportman> lol
[01:10] <sportman> how can i do this?
[01:10] <fmasi> venzen and what about the kde suporte i just changed from kde to gnome so i may one day use kde for one thing or another
[01:11] <cafuego_> fmasi: Ubuntu includes KDE an optional extra
[01:11] <Kyral> cafuego_,  iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
[01:11] <sybariten> cafuego: i dont know where the reset button is ...  its an iMac
[01:11] <chavo> sportman, install linux-headers-x , where x is your kernel version
[01:12] <sybariten> there is a power button on the keyboard but it doesnt do much right now. maybe becayse the machine is crashed
[01:12] <chavo> sportman, also, did you install gcc?
[01:12] <venzen> fmasi - well you can install kde packages and they will run from the kde (qt) libraries - so no problem - but gnome is the bomb for everyday office/collaboration
[01:12] <fmasi> i have an oficial x86 5.04 cd at home but my leptop is an amd64 aaaa
[01:12] <boogie> pwned
[01:12] <fmasi> i like the look of gnome
[01:12] <cafuego_> fmasi: that will run fine.
[01:12] <venzen> ye
[01:12] <boogie> gnome is getting better, but still no where near kde
[01:12] <fmasi> but its bether to put the 64 vertion no ?
[01:13] <sportman> yea
[01:13] <cafuego_> boogie: Would you mind laying off the trolling now?
[01:13] <venzen> that ole chestnut
[01:13] <sportman> gcc is installed
[01:13] <fmasi> or is ther no big difrence
[01:13] <BlueEagle> boogie: Many consider that (lack of bloat) a good thing.
[01:13] <cafuego_> fmasi: Not if you want to use video, watch DVDs and play flash/java in websites.
[01:13] <allen> what does the command  "sudo apt -get" mean?
[01:13] <boogie> depends - if you want the amd64 version then realise there are hardly any working drivers for it
[01:13] <lundner> can somebody tell me where the downloaded apt-get packages are saved?
[01:13] <chavo> sportman, you need gcc-3.4, the same version the kernel was compiled with
[01:13] <ompaul> boogie, so go to a kde channel and leave the rest of the people in piece you are doing that rubbish in front of over 400 people and it does not look smart or clever
[01:13] <fmasi> cafuego_ so where would be the difrence ?
[01:13] <cafuego_> sybariten: What iMac? A coloured one or a new white one?
[01:13] <chavo> lundner, /var/cache/apt/archive
[01:14] <lundner> thanx chavo ;-)
[01:14] <BlueEagle> allen: sudo is "super user do" (do something with root privileges) and apt-get is a way of manipulating packages.
[01:14] <venzen> fmasi - don't hesitate install the version you have!
[01:14] <cafuego_> fmasi: amd64 doesn't yet support most video codecs and flash.
[01:14] <delire> sybariten: iMacs are designed to be so simple they are impossible to use at times.
[01:14] <boogie> no madwifi for amd64 either
[01:14] <chavo> mine is current'y ~2.6Gb
[01:14] <chavo> I need to clean it up :)
[01:14] <allen> why do i get this message when I try apt? "
[01:14] <allen> lundner thanx chavo ;-)"
[01:14] <fmasi> so its no whorth tu put the 64 vertion
[01:14] <BlueEagle> allen: To look it up in the manual try 'man sudo' and 'man apt-get'
[01:14] <cafuego_> Kyral: try -J REJECT instead of MIRRRO and see if that helps (maybe you don't have mirror target support)
[01:14] <venzen> not yet?
[01:15] <allen> ok
[01:15] <delire> sybariten: i have struggled to find the reset button in the past also. it's on the right-hand side from memory.
[01:15] <boogie> no you will have problems with the amd64 version, i went back to the i386
[01:15] <Kyral> cafuego, REJECT worked
[01:15] <dhonn> thanks guys my ymessenger problem is fixed
[01:15] <cafuego_> fmasi: If you don't have it handy and you want to be able to sue flash and watch videoes, use x86. If you don't care, use amd64. Up to you.
[01:15] <delire> dhonn: anytime
[01:15] <dhonn> hey how do i install firefox 1.5 beta 1 using apt?
[01:15] <fmasi> you pepole are very very nice theks aloooooot. I gona take microsofrt out of the marked in recife - brasil
[01:15] <cafuego_> Kyral: Okay, kernel doesn't have MIRROR enabled. Ohw ell :-)
[01:15] <BlueEagle> allen: Always a good idea to look up a command before trying it. That way you won't blow away your whole system when someone gives you the command to remove all files as root just to joke. :)
[01:15] <venzen> fmasi - 64bit support will grow but the available packages are so much less than the hoary cd you have
[01:16] <ompaul> dhonn, you stick with the version that is for your disto and relase
[01:16] <fmasi> ok
[01:16] <Kyral> cafuego, how easy would it be to recompile the kernel to do that :D
[01:16] <boogie> dhonn - you don't need apt for firefox, just unzip it to a directory
[01:16] <fmasi> ubuntu the windows exterminator lol
[01:16] <cafuego_> Kyral: Easy enough, but probably not worth it.
[01:16] <venzen> fmasi - anossa
[01:16] <allen> why do i get this message when I try apt? "command not found"
[01:16] <chavo> dhonn, you can use the tarball to run Firefox, but it might mess up your profile
[01:16] <ompaul> nalioth, pm
[01:16] <boogie> apt not installed?
[01:16] <punkass> anyone have freenx installed on breezy?
[01:16] <cafuego_> allen: 'apt' is anot a command.
[01:16] <fmasi> what is anossa ?
[01:16] <venzen> allen: apt is not a command: apt-get
[01:16] <dhonn> thats not easy
[01:16] <nalioth> ompaul: of course
[01:16] <allen> ok will try again
[01:17] <boogie> like: apt-get install kde
[01:17] <reiki> well I think I found the problem with my mic not working to record. I have a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card. It has a Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 chipset but apparently the card itself isn't well supported in linux. Ohwell... sound works... I can use an external tuner for tuning my flutes
[01:17] <Kyral> cafuego, next time I recompile my kernel remind me to do that :D
[01:17] <Kyral> or is there a module...
[01:17] <venzen> fmasi - apologies- my attempt to say cheers in portuguese
[01:17] <cafuego_> Kyral:  :-)
[01:17] <cafuego_> bom dia?
[01:17] <boogie> reiki - i also have a turtle beach - the analog output works fine
[01:17] <venzen> que pasa
[01:17] <boogie> digital output doesn't
[01:18] <cafuego_> och, niet veel.
[01:18] <reiki> boogie: I can hear the mic through the speakers. I just can not get it to record
[01:18] <P0S3R> hei all
[01:18] <venzen> un pocito eh?
[01:18] <jamie_1> um.... does anyone know much about writing games from ground up and what code to use?
[01:18] <fmasi> i suposed it was some thing lake wou but was not sure if it was in portuges or amerian lol :) but thx for the efort
[01:18] <delire> reiki: i've found this site an excellent resource for configuring cards and knowing the extents of support. http://alsa-project.org/
[01:18] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey guys, where are the program files stored in linux? I wanna execute something in terminal but xmms doesn't work by itself.
[01:18] <venzen> por nada
[01:18] <boogie> jamie_1 - you want to write games in what language?
[01:19] <jamie_1> boogie: thats the problem.... I have no idea
[01:19] <Logtime> you must add the public key of your self signed CA to your OpenSSL certs directory.
[01:19] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So I wanna navigate to where I can see it.
[01:19] <venzen> Cry: locate xmms
[01:19] <Kyral> They should make kernel recompilation as easy as sudo dpkg-reconfigure <kernel>
[01:19] <jamie_1> Boogie: I know NO programming languages..........
[01:19] <boogie> if java - look at java 3d, if c++ i have no idea
[01:19] <fmasi> cafuego_ whare have you bean to
[01:19] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: All over the place, but normally in $PATH (echo $PATH). xmms won't work until you install it.
[01:19] <allen> how do I run this file to install j2re "jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64-rpm.bin"?
[01:19] <reiki> delire: thanks... I've been stomping around on that site. I *might* have something misconfigured, but nothiing I've tried gets the mic working. Sound works fine though
[01:19] <D1> can anyone recommend an ident server for ubuntu?
[01:19] <crimsun> D1: oidentd
[01:19] <BlueEagle> reiki: Not familiar with that particular chip, but I think turtle beach were well supported with OSS (Open Sound System), however OSS is now obsoleted by alsa and depreciated but OSS is still availible in the kernel.
[01:20] <D1> does it work out of the box?
[01:20] <kevogod> Does anyone here use Banshee?
[01:20] <fmasi> Is ther enny one that is going to lacfree2005
[01:20] <delire> reiki: ok cool. does this page have something for you? click on the driver for your card. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Turtle_Beach#matrix
[01:20] <nalioth> boogie: you were asked when you joined the channel to act in a civil manner
[01:20] <D1> by the way, xchat gnome is pretty spiffy.
[01:20] <sybariten> heres a key question for me:  if i try to install ubuntu over a broken install on my mac ... will i be able to do that without formating the drive? in other words, can i do this without losing the 40 gb of movies i collected under ubuntu ?
[01:20] <venzen> fmasi where will it be held?
[01:20] <cafuego_> fmasi: I did some work for Camargo Correa in So Paulo and at a property they own; no idea where that was, flew to it in a private jet at night.
[01:20] <delire> reiki: .. no doubt you've probably been here by now ;)
[01:20] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> cafuego I installed it, and there is a shortcut to it in the apps. It wont start right, so I wanna run it in terminal to see the errors.
[01:20] <nalioth> sybariten: what's broken about it?
[01:20] <fmasi> Recife
[01:20] <Logtime> you must add the public key of your self signed CA to your OpenSSL certs directory.
[01:20] <Logtime> how
[01:20] <boogie> jamie_1- start learning java - pick up the oreilly book 'learning java' - then move on to c++ which is what you need for games development
[01:20] <fmasi> cafuego_ whow nice
[01:21] <erUSUL> cafuego_: there is no mirror target suport in 2.6.13 do you used an out of tree patch?
[01:21] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: dpkg -L xmms | grep bin
[01:21] <boogie>  java is too slow for games - if you are serious about it
[01:21] <crimsun> reiki: the turtle beach works fine. Which mixer elements are unmuted and selected in alsamixer's capture view (F4)?
[01:21] <fmasi> LAC free will be in recife brasil
[01:21] <cafuego_> fmasi: yes, it was :-)
[01:21] <fmasi> my city
[01:21] <venzen> Brasil is rocking the open source!
[01:21] <delire> true
[01:21] <sybariten> nalioth: well. i removed gnome panel because gnome complained when it started up. Then i discovered that there is no net connection any more, so i cant apt-get gnome panel back in there.
[01:21] <jamie_1> boogie: I am trying to write a Star Trek game...... graphical
[01:21] <boogie> brasil has lots of hot punani
[01:21] <fmasi> and i gona fock windows
[01:21] <reiki> delire: yeah... it says it's just the cs 46xx driver which IS loading and working for sound. I'll keep at it. :)
[01:21] <sybariten> nalioth: it started with a shut-off i think
[01:21] <sportman> how do i find my kernel version?
[01:21] <nalioth> sybariten: use "apt-cdrom" to rescue yourself
[01:21] <cafuego_> fmasi: Well, the bit about having to sit on a plane from Melbourne to Sao Paulo for 18 hours, then work right away, then fly back sucked quite a lot.
[01:21] <crimsun> reiki: recording works fine with it. Please answer my question.
[01:21] <zorba64> sportman: uname -a
[01:21] <punkass> sportman: uname -a
[01:21] <sybariten> nalioth: is that a program of its own ?
[01:22] <BlueEagle> sybariten: gnome-panel is not responsible for your net connection.
[01:22] <titanium> would anyone mind helping me test an ftp server really quickly? it was working a while ago and suddenly it's broken again. just need to confirm it's my end and not the remote user.
[01:22] <fmasi> cafuego_ yes i gess
[01:22] <BlueEagle> sybariten: What does ifconfig say?
[01:22] <sybariten> BlueEagle: i know that ...
[01:22] <reiki> crimsun hold... lotta things happeing here at once. Appreciate the help though... starting alsamixer again
[01:22] <fmasi> cafuego_ i have bean to tasmania
[01:22] <sybariten> BlueEagle: uhm basicly i think it has no IP on the card
[01:22] <cafuego_> nalioth: cheers
[01:22] <fmasi> v my stepmather is from Australia
[01:22] <erUSUL> jamie_1: you are trying to write a game whithout any knowledge of a programing lenguage? forget it
[01:22] <kevogod> titanium, OK
[01:22] <BlueEagle> sybariten: have you got a dhcp server on your network?
[01:22] <CarlFK> titanium - what do you need in the way of ftp test?
[01:22] <BlueEagle> sybariten: ..or are you dialing up?
[01:22] <fmasi> cafuego_ I thinking to go leav in Australia inthe future
[01:22] <cafuego_> fmasi: the coldest and wettest bit of Australia <heh>
[01:23] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I don't get an error.
[01:23] <reiki> crimsun: mic and mic1 both are labeled capture, but ... I get no ability to raise volume on them
[01:23] <sybariten> BlueEagle: i have a dhcp server ....
[01:23] <jamie_1> erUSUL: what language?!?
[01:23] <fmasi> cafuego_ i loved it
[01:23] <venzen> jamie: erUSUL is right - but you can learn with a book or online tutorial - LinuxFormat ran a good series on SDL game programming
[01:23] <fmasi> cafuego_ My fqthers famly is from france
[01:23] <reiki> crimsun: also Capture and Capture1 are toggled as capture and volume 100%
[01:23] <cafuego_> fmasi: Yeah, tasmania is nice & clean. I've been there one, for a week, just driving around. Loved it.
[01:23] <fmasi> cafuego_ and whe are maby all gona go to australia
[01:24] <BlueEagle> sybariten: have you set up your firewall to block communication on the port dhcp and dhcpcd uses?
[01:24] <cafuego_> fmasi: Australia is slowly going to hell in a handbasket though, the government is destroying it.
[01:24] <crimsun> reiki: are you trying to record from the input jack (line in) or the mic?
[01:24] <jamie_1> verzen: where would I find a Linux book I wouldn't fall asleep on?
[01:24] <delire> cafuego_: i was glad to get out of there for this reason.
[01:24] <fmasi> cafuego_ The thing is that Australia and Brasil ar a bit far away
[01:24] <cafuego_> fmasi: it's only 18 hours ;-)
[01:24] <reiki> crimsun: I believe the mic is plugged into mic :)
[01:24] <kevogod> Learn Ruby.
[01:25] <venzen> jamie_1: www.oreilly.net
[01:25] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Thanks for the help, guys. I think there is something wrong with the installation, because it neither runs nor gives errors.
[01:25] <erUSUL> jamie_1: do you want a list of known programing lenguages... it can take ages... ;)
[01:25] <cafuego_> delire: must .. destroy .. system .. from within ...
[01:25] <delire> hehe
[01:25] <fmasi> cafuego_ That can change australia have god pepole and thats what maters the moust
[01:25] <jamie_1> lol cafeego
[01:25] <fmasi> cafuego_ 18 thats realy not alot lol
[01:25] <crimsun> reiki: then you need to unmute mic, capture, and ADC
[01:25] <cafuego_> fmasi: Yes, I would have previously thought so, but the re-elected the bastard.
[01:25] <jamie_1> venzen..... what the heckk
[01:26] <venzen> hehe
[01:26] <crimsun> reiki: obviously mute the ones you're not trying to capture
[01:26] <fmasi> cafuego_ Where do you work ?
[01:26] <venzen> you want to programme
[01:26] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey, does xmms run natively in gnome, or does it need a graphical frontend program?
[01:26] <sybariten> blueeagle: the ubuntu machine was ticking along happily for days and days, this just happened. I cant even reach my firewall at the moment ... but thats another story
[01:26] <cafuego_> now i just think they're mainly racist conservative rednecks
[01:26] <cafuego_> fmasi: I live & work in melbourne.
[01:26] <BlueEagle> sybariten: did you try running sudo dhclient eth0 (where eth0 is the name of your ethernet card)
[01:26] <reiki> crimsun : mute in alsamixer?
[01:26] <fmasi> cafuego_ But in usa they do it worst they elected bush 2
[01:26] <venzen> Cry: graphical frontend
[01:27] <fmasi> cafuego_ You just nead to find a way to kill the bastard
[01:27] <sybariten> i think i did that a couple of times yesterday yes ....  with weird error messages. but i'll have to get back to you on that, because i'm trying to boot a livecd right now
[01:27] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> cafuego_ Don't think we're proud of it. Im damned ashamed to be around peope who would vote for that man.
[01:27] <sybariten> to see if i can even get the machine to work
[01:27] <bdt1805> i have a question for everyone, how would I enable DMA on all my IDE drives?
[01:27] <sybariten> and guess what, gnome problems
[01:27] <cafuego_> fmasi: Ours is bush's girlfriend. Maybe you've seen him on tv, Looks like Gollum, but wears glasses and looks as if he needs to go to the toilet all the time.
[01:27] <BlueEagle> sybariten: I see. :)
[01:27] <crimsun> reiki: or any mixer
[01:27] <erUSUL> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: beep-media-player looks nicer with gnome
[01:27] <jamie_1> venzen: yeah. program
[01:27] <venzen> syba: one by one
[01:27] <nalioth> sybariten: boot your machine to the console, and use apt-cdrom to fix yourself
[01:27] <delire> cafuego_: do you remember "The Wombles?"
[01:27] <fmasi> cafuego_ kkk you realy dont like him
[01:28] <sybariten> nalioth: i havent even found a good way to boot a ubuntu machine to a plain console
[01:28] <ompaul> delire of wimbleton common are we?
[01:28] <cafuego_> delire: nevers een 'em, I grew up in Holland and only moved myself here 8 years ago.
[01:28] <fmasi> cafuego_ How is the open source going in Australia
[01:28] <delire> why of course ompaul
[01:28] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So xmms is actually running. That's why I get no error. But I have no frontend and thus no actual visualization for the player.
[01:28] <sybariten> venzen: heh, how do you mean ?
[01:28] <cafuego_> fmasi: linus just had his trademark application rejected.
[01:28] <reiki> Crimsun: ADC was toggled to NOT capture
[01:28] <erUSUL> bdt1805: less /etc/hdparm.conf
[01:28] <reiki> crimsun but was not muted
[01:28] <delire> cafuego_: had you grown up with the wombles you would find howard a slightly more disturbing figure.
[01:29] <crimsun> reiki: it needs to be captured
[01:29] <fmasi> cafuego_ in brasil  the government is helping alot
[01:29] <nalioth> sybariten: when your machine gets up (as far as it gets) hit ctrl-alt-f3
[01:29] <venzen> sybariten: you want to use hdparm - man hdparm
[01:29] <cafuego_> fmasi: here they would like to give Microsoft as much power as possible, i think. Tragic.
[01:29] <crimsun> reiki: all three of capture, mic, and ADC need to be unmuted and captured
[01:29] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> erUSUL I'm trying to get a particular plugin that requires xmms.
[01:29] <Logtime> ou must add the public key of your self signed CA to your OpenSSL certs directory.
[01:29] <cafuego_> at least I can't be blames, coz I'm not allowed to vote
[01:30] <fmasi> cafuego_ We dont have monay for microsoft so that wy they help linux lol
[01:30] <reiki> crimsun: THANK YOU!  the ADC piece was the pice I was missing!
[01:30] <venzen> Cry: do you have a menu entry for xmms under top panel>Applications>Sound&Video ?
[01:30] <sybariten> uhm, is there an english gnome error message that goes something in the way of this? "an error occurred while starting the gnome-preferences-daemon. somethings such as themes and sounds [...]  wont work allright. the preferences daemon was restarted too many times. gnome will still try to restart the preferences daemon the next time you log in"
[01:30] <fmasi> cafuego_ I gona try to change all 200 computesr at my unoivercity to linux
[01:30] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Venzen Yes I do.
[01:30] <sybariten> this was translated from swedish
[01:31] <fmasi> cafuego_ gona try edubunto one day
[01:31] <jamie_1> Does anyone know where I can find a game programming language book that me as a 14 year old can read without falling asleep on?
[01:31] <sktrdie> what's the real difference between Xorg and Xfree86?
[01:32] <lundner> no hamie_1 ;-)
[01:32] <cafuego_> sktrdie: the license
[01:32] <sybariten> nalioth: ok ... and then apt-cdrom ... with the PPC cdrom install cd in the drive.  would it be harmless to do some sort of apt-get remove gnome, apt get install gnome ?
[01:32] <cafuego_> fmasi: nice :-)
[01:32] <reiki> crimsun : I just now almost blew my wife out of her chair on playback from the mic... hehehe... thanks man. Now I can use a frequency analyzer when tuning flutes
[01:32] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: "game programming language"?
[01:32] <fmasi> cafuego_ gona be hard but i will try
[01:32] <sktrdie> cafuego_ the functions is exactly the same?
[01:33] <fmasi> cafuego_ i think they get money to use microsoft
[01:33] <jamie_1> Blue Eagle: yup
[01:33] <ompaul> sybariten, killall nautilus may help if not bonobo-slay in a console - both of these can and will kill your gnome session
[01:33] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> venzen: I don't understand why I can't run it.
[01:33] <wolki> hi!
[01:33] <delire> jamie_1: well Python, Ruby and Lua are often used in game programming.
[01:33] <ompaul> sybariten, in a lot of cases
[01:33] <erUSUL> sktrdie: Xorg is a fork of xfree that keeps going xfree86 got stuck when the fork acurred
[01:33] <nalioth> sybariten: you can try whatever you like
[01:33] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: First you would want to find out what kind of game (and on which platforms) you would want to make it for. The choice of lanugage is somewhat limited by those two factors.
[01:33] <sybariten> ompaul: ok
[01:33] <nalioth> sybariten: breezy will be out oct 13 and you and apt-cdrom your way to a dist-upgrade of the whole box
[01:33] <ptlo> jamie_1, you could try python (very nice dynamic programming language) along with pygame (modules for 2d/3d/sound/events support)
[01:33] <wolki> is there a way to find all invalidly coded filenames?
[01:34] <jamie_1> BlueEagle, Star Trek game, and for both windows and linux
[01:34] <delire> jamie_1: i would look into PyGame as a good framework for beginners.
[01:34] <nilezon> need some help with my synaptics/alps touchpad (sony vaio laptop). and yes, i've tried the forums. pls msg me
[01:34] <erUSUL> jamie_1: almost all serius games are written in C or C++ try kdevelop
[01:34] <sybariten> jamie_1: i too would reccommend python - its the language i'm trying to learn  :)
[01:34] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: "Star Trek game" doesn't really say alot. You could make an AD&D2 game about Star Trek tbh.
[01:34] <fmasi> ey how do i register my nickname i never used irc before :(
[01:35] <BlueEagle> fmasi: Doesn't the bot tell you how?
[01:35] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> what's the command to see running processes?
[01:35] <apokryphos> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: top
[01:35] <wolki> fmasi: info on the freenode page
[01:35] <fmasi> dident read it all
[01:35] <fmasi> ok
[01:35] <nilezon> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, ps -A
[01:35] <ompaul> fmasi, /msg nickserv register <your password here>
[01:35] <jamie_1> all that answered to me, thanks, but any really highly recommened ones over all teh others?
[01:35] <reiki> you guys know who Baby Joe Macey is?
[01:35] <BlueEagle> fmasi: Well, reading it all might be a good idea.
[01:35] <nilezon> need some help with my synaptics/alps touchpad (sony vaio laptop). and yes, i've tried the forums. pls msg me
[01:35] <venzen> reiki: nope
[01:36] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Both good answers. Thank you. Also, top is so cool.
[01:36] <fmasi> doing it right now
[01:36] <ompaul> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, you will find lots of great cool things
[01:36] <venzen> reiki who is he?
[01:36] <jims> I'm a newbie looking for some help with MPlayer.  I installed Real10, then installed Mplayer for Firefox, When viewing .mov or .avi, it displays the window, loads the file, but nothing displays...any suggestions?
[01:36] <reiki> venzen: it's off topic... but my wife just came home from a pub and Baby Joe moved over one bar stool to let her sit down. He's a boxer
[01:36] <sybariten> ok ... so ... i'm in some sort of broken gnome right now, this time booted from live cd. how do i easily get into a plain console ?
[01:36] <delire> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: try pstree for a tree of parent-->child processes.
[01:36] <sybariten> and get rid of X
[01:36] <nilezon> doesn't get much response here :(
[01:37] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell jims about w32codecs
[01:37] <cafuego_> or 'ps -f'
[01:37] <venzen> reiki vs Ali?
[01:37] <lundner> try vlc @jims
[01:37] <TokenBad> well out of the 3 gui interfaces I have tried in ubuntu..the one i like is kde
[01:37] <fmasi> well thx for every thing gona go nead to fix some stuff
[01:37] <fmasi> by by
[01:37] <ompaul> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, do this: xev in a terminal and see how much info happens when you move a mouse or type a key
[01:37] <cafuego_> sybariten: ctrl-alt-F1 will give you a console
[01:37] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: You might want to setup vo=xv in the mplayer configuration file.
[01:37] <reiki> venzen: no... Baby Joe is much too young to have gone against Ali :)
[01:37] <lundner> but i don't know if it plays .mov files @ jims
[01:37] <jamie_1> BlueEagle: vo=xv?
[01:37] <sybariten> cafuego: thanks
[01:37] <jims> Lunder: I followed the Forum page on installing codecs, I think I loaded about 6-7 of them...
[01:37] <venzen> :o)
[01:37] <nalioth> sybariten: you are not gonna be able to fix with the livecd, i dont think
[01:38] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey! I killed a process! Yay!
[01:38] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: Yes. If you read the manual page you would see that it specifies mplayer to use xv for video output.
[01:38] <venzen> Go Cry!
[01:38] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: if that doesn't work try vo=gl2
[01:38] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: also try mplayer -vo help
[01:38] <jims> Yes, I changed the file to default to 'xv'...
[01:39] <nilezon> anyone who can help me with disabling tapping on my laptop ... need help... badly
[01:39] <sybariten> nalioth: ok maybe not ...  actually i just wanted to see the iMac boot into a non-broken state with the liveCD. Very surprising that i get gnome errors there too ....  when gnome has been running happily in the installed environment, before
[01:39] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: "file default"?
[01:39] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> So yeah. xmms is running, just not being all with the working on my desktop.
[01:39] <reiki> nice... mic working in Audacity too.... can't thank you enough, crimsun. This is a big deal to me. :)
[01:39] <jamie_1> BlueEagle: You lost me a couple ago
[01:39] <Toba|Laptop> what do you guys suggest to use for wireless?
[01:39] <mik3> does the apt system upgrade the kernel too when new versions come out?
[01:39] <Toba|Laptop> I'm using wired right now but I'd like to use my wifi
[01:39] <grodius> Can you use GTKpod to actually play music on your ipod??
[01:39] <nalioth> sybariten: that IS surprising
[01:39] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Nevermind. It worked this time.
[01:39] <TokenBad> anyone else here have a fav gui interface?
[01:39] <nalioth> mik3: yes it does
[01:40] <walter> me
[01:40] <delire> Toba|Laptop: do you mean for surfing access points?
[01:40] <grodius> Anyone know if gtkpod can play music straight from your ipod?
[01:40] <Toba|Laptop> no, for using with WPA
[01:40] <walter> oops - that's what I get for trying to type a command into the console while opening a channel
[01:40] <nilezon> ipw2200 (centrino) works
[01:40] <Toba|Laptop> I need drivers for my card
[01:40] <nalioths_dog> grodius: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:40] <Toba|Laptop> I already have wpa_supplicant
[01:40] <Toba|Laptop> is madwifi any good or do I need to get ndiswrapper?
[01:40] <delire> Toba|Laptop: i wrote my own application to handle all this, but it is non-gui
[01:40] <jamie_1> BlueEagle, PM?
[01:41] <sybariten> its as if i burned some hardware or something, inside the fucking mac
[01:41] <delire> Toba|Laptop: there has to be something in gnome that looks after WPA
[01:41] <Han> Can I update from hoary to breezy by adding an entry for breezy to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:41] <nalioth> sybariten: language please
[01:41] <Toba|Laptop> I have a d-link g630 with the atheros chipset
[01:41] <grodius> nalioths_dog i said it twice, the first was phrased in such a way that someone seeing it may think i was talking to someone else, so i added anyone. Relax- i only said it twice
[01:41] <sybariten> freaking
[01:41] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: Let me add you to my whitelist.
[01:41] <BlueEagle> jamie_1: ok, you can /msg me now.
[01:42] <delire> BlueEagle: the social firewall ;)
[01:42] <nilezon> please, need help to disable tapping on my touchpad ... cant really use the mouse now... anyone?!!
[01:42] <ubuntu_newbie> Can someone help me with question on the livecd?
[01:42] <venzen> ask
[01:42] <nalioth> cafuego_: this is crazy: the dog gets hilighted but not me...
[01:42] <delire> nilezon: is it a synaptic touchpad?
[01:42] <nilezon> yes
[01:42] <allen> how can I install java runtime envrionment in my pc?
[01:42] <nilezon> think so
[01:42] <BlueEagle> delire: Well, that script has been obsoleted by the requirement to register if you want to /msg, but still got it running.
[01:42] <apokryphos> Han: yes
[01:42] <erUSUL> !tell allen about java
[01:42] <Han> apokryphos, cheers
[01:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell han about upgrade2breezy
[01:42] <ubuntu_newbie> I've booted with the livecd and used gaim, set to log my convos. How do I get to the log?
[01:43] <nilezon> delire, what's the difference between synaptic and alps??
[01:43] <delire> nilezon: 'qsynaptics' may help, but ironically you need a mouse to use it. grab an external and give it a go.
[01:43] <delire> nilezon: i have never worked with an alps.
[01:43] <nilezon> ok
[01:43] <nilezon> qsynaptics uses x86free
[01:43] <delire> nilezon: or perhaps i have and just didn't know it.
[01:44] <nilezon> i've only got xorg
[01:44] <sybariten> ok now i'm gonna reboot the mac, into the (broken) HD install. What i wanna do now is just ssh into it, so i can look into the problems remotely without having to sit and type on that useless keyboard . What do i boot into? SHould i type something ?
[01:44] <delire> nilezon: you're right. hmm just a moment. there are userland configuration tools.
[01:44] <erUSUL> ubuntu_newbie:  .gaim/logs/
[01:44] <ubuntu_newbie> And I can't open the ramdisk icon on my desktop. Why would that be?
[01:44] <delire> nilezon: tpconfig?
[01:44] <nilezon> delire, "synclient -h" says that no tp is found
[01:45] <delire> nilezon: problematic.
[01:45] <venzen> ubuntu_newbie: its virtual memory
[01:45] <grodius> Anyone know why often when I connect my iPod it isnt noticed by the system and doesnt do the "do not disconnect" dialogue? sometimes it works, sometimes not
[01:45] <nilezon> i think that the driver isnt loaded
[01:45] <robotgeek> nilezon: is it a powerbook?
[01:45] <Vespoli> hello
[01:45] <nilezon> no, sony vaio
[01:45] <drfunk> anyone know a good site or info source for ndiswrapper   i cant get it to fire up with my zd7000 pavilion laptop
[01:45] <inthenow> welcome
[01:45] <inthenow> ubuntu loves you
[01:45] <Vespoli> :)
[01:45] <grodius> !YEAH
[01:45] <ubotu> grodius: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:45] <nilezon> it worked to change the synaptic settings to disable tapping with hoary, but breezy doesnt use the drivers
[01:45] <Vespoli> btw what version should I get
[01:45] <delire> nilezon: hmm
[01:46] <Vespoli> I am confused by this 5.10 preview thingy
[01:46] <ubuntu_newbie> But since I booted from the cd where is .gaim/logs? It can't write to the cd.
[01:46] <venzen> ubuntu_newbie: its all stored on the ramdisk...!
[01:46] <inthenow> Vespoli: its works...Its breezy..if you have sata i think you have to use reiser partitions
[01:46] <nalioth> ubuntu_newbie: it is writing to the ramdisk
[01:46] <ubuntu_newbie> That's what I thought but I can't open the ramdisk icon on my desktop.
[01:46] <erUSUL> ubuntu_newbie: open a terminal and run ls -l .gaim/logs
[01:46] <nilezon> "synclient -h": No touchpad found, Do you use a newer kernel than 2.4?
[01:46] <grodius> Ok. AN ipod connected will put the icon for the drive on the desktop, and the ipod will display a "do not disconnect" message. This happens to me some of the time, but often, my ipod will continue to charge and not actually connect to the system.
[01:46] <Vespoli> uhh its a crappy $799 laptop XD
[01:46] <nalioth> ubuntu_newbie: send off the logs via network, if you want to keep them
[01:47] <Vespoli> Compaq Presario 2100us
[01:47] <nalioth> ubuntu_newbie: they should be in ~/.gaim/
[01:47] <Vespoli> no sata lmao
[01:47] <nilezon> delire, "synclient -h": No touchpad found, Do you use a newer kernel than 2.4?
[01:47] <Vespoli> I wish :-P
[01:47] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> sweet x2
[01:47] <inthenow> Vespoli: itll probably be fine for you
[01:47] <Vespoli> but back to the original question -- which ISO should I get ?!?
[01:47] <Vespoli> 5.10-preview? ?
[01:47] <Vespoli> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ ?
[01:47] <Diffindo> I'm trying to move a file into /usr but the permissions won't let me.. I can't figure out the terminal commands to create the directory... Help!
[01:47] <inthenow> Vespoli: ya i have no prob with it
[01:47] <venzen> ubuntu_newbie: erUSUL gave the answer: you gotta navigate via the console
[01:47] <delire> nilezon: you will need 2.6.* to use the synaptic driver as shipped afaik
[01:47] <tonkar> somebody knows wich permissions should have the apache server content files?
[01:47] <drylaw> i have ubuntu running on a g3 imac 233mhz, how do i go about installing tuxpaint?
[01:48] <tonkar> www-data?
[01:48] <Vespoli> ahh the "preview" thing scared
[01:48] <tonkar> i mean,
[01:48] <Vespoli> me I thought it was like a tech demo
[01:48] <Vespoli> rofl
[01:48] <erUSUL> Diffindo: what are you trying to do?
[01:48] <nilezon> delire, i use 2.6
[01:48] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> It works! It works! muahahahaha!
[01:48] <Vespoli> what is the default kernel ?
[01:48] <Diffindo> I'm trying to move an executable bin file into /usr/java so I can install Java
[01:48] <nalioth> !tell drylaw about synaptic
[01:48] <delire> nilezon: set 'MaxTapTime=0' option in your xorg.conf to kill the tapping btw - when you have evdev and the driver loaded that is.
[01:48] <venzen> drylaw: sudo apt-get install tuxpaint
[01:48] <Vespoli> 2.4 or 2.6
[01:48] <tonkar> wich user should maintain the apache content files,
[01:48] <inthenow> drylaw: apt-get update or update get install tuxpaint or to search the package database do apt-cache search tuxpaint or use the gui package manager called synaptic under system
[01:49] <ben66> can anyone recommend a easy to use firewall for linux
[01:49] <ubuntu_newbie> I did that command and got back 0 files. BTW, shouldn't I be able to open the ramdisk on my desktop?
[01:49] <nalioth> drylaw: read what ubotu sent you
[01:49] <Vespoli> Diffindo, noooooooo just link it
[01:49] <Vespoli> ben66, sure -- iptables
[01:49] <sybariten> i am standing at the ubuntu login prompt. since i will want to do some silly network commands, and theres no point in seeing the gnome errors again .... can i somehow just go to a console now ?
[01:49] <Vespoli> :-P
[01:49] <nalioth> ben66: firestarter, but a firewall is not needed in linux
[01:49] <Vespoli> I have never used a firewall
[01:49] <nilezon> delire, maxtaptime=0 and tapbutton1=0 in my xorg.conf, but the driver isnt loaded, so it doesnt work
[01:49] <Diffindo> Vespoli: Pardon?
[01:49] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey, who knows stuff about kernels?
[01:49] <nalioth> sybariten: ctrl-alt-f3
[01:49] <inthenow> sybariten: alt F1-F6
[01:49] <nilezon> "synclient -l" shows that maxtaptime=0
[01:49] <Vespoli> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, maybe people in #kernel-developers
[01:49] <Diffindo> is that ln -s etc etc...
[01:49] <ben66> i just dont want to spend a lot of time playing with conf files
[01:49] <drfunk> anyone know a good site for ndiswrapper or know why its impossible to set up on a zd7000 pavilion laptop
[01:49] <boxerboy> what command do i use to do oppisite of ifconfig
[01:49] <drfunk> ?
[01:50] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Thanks veslpoli.
[01:50] <ben66> i just want to baninate all trafic other than ports i specify by certain progams
[01:50] <Vespoli> rifk
[01:50] <erUSUL> Diffindo: i use symlinks from /opt/jre1.5.0/bin to /usr/local/bin
[01:50] <boxerboy> i have one of my ips and i wanna look it up
[01:50] <Colossus> How do I make an initrd for the kernel 2.6.13 in Ubuntu? I built the kernel, but now I need an initrd.
[01:50] <Vespoli> drfunk, should work :-/ check the ndiswrapper.sf.net dox  ???
[01:50] <tonkar> nobody knows? ...., should the apache content files be from the www-data user, maybe root or from who?
[01:50] <Diffindo> erUSUL: MS-ish please....
[01:50] <nilezon> delire, this tapping makes me crazy ... if i'm trying to move the mouse it clicks all over the screen :(
[01:51] <cafuego_> if you sue 'java-package' you don't need installations to /opt and symlinks.
[01:51] <delire> nilezon: right.. then why are you getting any action from the tp at all?
[01:51] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> vespoli, That's not a real channel.
[01:51] <delire> nilezon: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ may have clues for you.
[01:51] <ubuntu_newbie> Ummm about that ramdisk. Does anyone know why I would not be able to open or browse it?
[01:51] <sybariten> malioth: what about the login screen that is started ..? will it be killed? "is it" X ?
[01:51] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: What did you want to know about the kernel?
[01:51] <delire> nilezon: though i would scour the ubuntu wiki first
[01:51] <ompaul> boxerboy, ifdown ethX where X is the number 0/1/etc is one way to turn off a connection is this what you want?
[01:51] <grodius> Does anyone have an iPod that works and runs on linux, meaning- you can transfer files and listen to files from the ipod?
[01:52] <Diffindo> erUSUL: I'm a Windows Refugee.... Explain things to me carefully...
[01:52] <nilezon> delire, i think i'm using some standard core driver??
[01:52] <delire> Diffindo: ;)
[01:52] <cafuego_> grodius: Yes, gtkpod works fine.
[01:52] <delire> nilezon: yes i do
[01:52] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I just wanna know how hard it is to upgrade a kernel for better hardware compatibility.
[01:52] <venzen> newbie: its an icon indicating the ramdisk's existence - not a file to be opened, see?
[01:52] <KanRiNiN> hey guys.  I've followed the steps in the guide, but xmms still won't load or play AAC files.  What's up?  FC3 worked fine...
[01:52] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: trivial
[01:52] <erUSUL> Diffindo: what are you tring to install jre or jdk?
[01:52] <nilezon> delire, and synaptic is some kind of "slave" drivers ?
[01:52] <Diffindo> jre
[01:52] <boxerboy> i have an ip address and i would like to know if it is being used at this time
[01:52] <ubuntu_newbie> Now I do. How odd.
[01:52] <Diffindo> right now, the bin is in my home dir
[01:52] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Cafuego_ Copy and paste trivial?
[01:52] <cafuego_> !tel Diffindo -about java
[01:52] <ubotu> cafuego_: I haven't a clue
[01:53] <grodius> cafuego did you do anyhing ahead of time to configure your ipod or did you just plug it in and it worked?
[01:53] <delire> nilezon: it's normally quite straight forward
[01:53] <Diffindo> !java
[01:53] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:53] <cafuego_> !tell Diffindo -about java
[01:53] <erUSUL> Diffindo: you dwonloaded the bin from sun?
[01:53] <Diffindo> Java.com
[01:53] <cafuego_> stupid cold fingers
[01:53] <Diffindo> so yeah
[01:53] <venzen> ubuntu_newbie: goto top panel>places>home and what you see there is the contents of the ramdisk...
[01:53] <ompaul> !tell KanRiNiN about restricted
[01:53] <delire> nilezon: what does happen when you plug in an external mouse? any change to the tp response?
[01:53] <cafuego_> Diffindo: install fakeroot and java-package; then run 'fakeroot make-jpkg jre1.5-....bin' and follow the prompts.
[01:54] <erUSUL> Diffindo: run chmod +x *.bin
[01:54] <grodius> cafuego does the ipod appear in the colomn on the left side of the program, where the playlist Gtkpod appears
[01:54] <nilezon> delire, havent really tried any external mouse yet
[01:54] <Diffindo> I did that
[01:54] <Diffindo> Ugh
[01:54] <Diffindo> Look
[01:54] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: Not quite thate asy, but close. The trick is to know what you shouldn't touch.
[01:54] <nilezon> delire, do you think that could help?
[01:54] <ubuntu_newbie> venzen: Top panel?
[01:54] <delire> nilezon: it may provide clues.
[01:54] <cafuego_> grodius: I think it did, yes. It's been a while and the iPod is not here atm
[01:54] <sybariten> ok so what are some good ifconfig variations to test my net connection now =?
[01:54] <Diffindo> I've installed Java twice, I'm trying to install it in the 'proper' dir so I can install Limwire....
[01:55] <venzen> newbie: where it says applications places system
[01:55] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> cafuego_ Honestly, it isn't for ubuntu, I want to upgrade damnsmall so it will be sata compatible.
[01:55] <nilezon> delire, thanks for the link btw ... i might download a newer version of the synaptic driver
[01:55] <cafuego_> Diffindo: then make-jpkg is the way to go. Simply generate a .deb, then use 'dpkg -i' to install that.
[01:55] <Diffindo> hold on
[01:55] <nilezon> delire, i might even have to patch the kernel (sounds a bit too advanced for me)
[01:55] <ubuntu_newbie> Mine has Applications and Computer menus
[01:55] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: fetch new source, configure, build, done
[01:55] <tonkar> venzen: mmm ...., venzen, hi again, i know that you know from wich user should be the apache content files wich are located in /var/www
[01:55] <ubuntu_newbie> Neither of those menus has an entry "places"
[01:56] <apokryphos> firefox 1.5 beta out? Interesting. Anyone tried it?
[01:56] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> What that means I'll never know.
[01:56] <delire> nilezon: grep the ubuntu forums first, keywords are your laptop. i would be very surprised if someone else _hasn't_ encountered the same problem.
[01:56] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: then possibly not trivial for you ;-)
[01:56] <erUSUL> Diffindo: run the *.bin as root. sudo <whatever>.bin
[01:56] <KanRiNiN> my god ompaul, it's a fix to all of ubuntu's problems! :-)
[01:56] <cafuego_> erUSUL: No, BAD
[01:56] <venzen> newbie: ok, you're running warty right? so find the nautilus navigator under toppanel>computer
[01:56] <delire> nilezon: once discovered, and if you believe it to be a bug, register it. Ubuntu as a project is committed to improving the experience of laptop users.
[01:57] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Thanks cafuego_ if it's really that simple, I'll check some forums. 'preciate the hint.
[01:57] <Vespoli> delire, :D :D :D
[01:57] <Vespoli> laptop users !
[01:57] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: Yeah, just re-use the old config file and add sata, then compile, that should be all there is to it.
[01:57] <venzen> hola tonkar: on ubuntu should be ownership www-data and group www-data
[01:57] <delire> Vespoli: errm yes..? ;)
[01:58] <ubuntu_newbie> There's no menu choice for Nautilus, unfortunately.
[01:58] <nilezon> delire, it might be the version of the driver and my xorg.conf
[01:58] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I don't know what a config file is either.
[01:58] <waaaaaaaaaaaa> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[01:58] <nilezon> delire, i'll give it a shot
[01:58] <Vespoli> btw does Ubuntu support XFS file system
[01:58] <Vespoli> ????
[01:58] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: you should have one in /boot
[01:58] <ubuntu_newbie> I can go to Computer, Home
[01:58] <delire> nilezon: perhaps, don't forget to check out the forums.
[01:58] <cafuego_> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: it vontains the kernel config options.
[01:58] <venzen> newbie: when you choose 'Home' from that meny you will be using nautilus :o)
[01:58] <gaging> hey anyone who knows how to connect cam in my yahoo messenger
[01:58] <ubuntu_newbie> It juse shows desktop 0 items
[01:59] <apokryphos> gaging: what are you doing?
[01:59] <nilezon> delire, i've been there for like six hours :(
[01:59] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> But once I get it to work, I'm posting the iso. It's gonna be about 55 megs I think.
[01:59] <gaging> i am using linux
[01:59] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I don't know how to compile either.
[01:59] <ubuntu_newbie> OK. I'm using Nautilus.
[01:59] <cafuego_> gaging: ymessenger is broken, so basically you can't.
[01:59] <gaging> i am using linux
[01:59] <robotgeek> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: it's real simple
[01:59] <delire> nilezon: ;) ouch.
[01:59] <gaging> and i dont know how to connect my cam
[01:59] <gaging> no
[01:59] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> I want to remaster a version of knoppix so that it has the newest kernel.
[01:59] <Vespoli> :-(
[01:59] <ubuntu_newbie> I choose home and see Desktop with 0 items and a document called Fall
[01:59] <DewDude> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, nice name
[01:59] <gaging> why others can?
[01:59] <crimsun> Vespoli: yes, it does.
[01:59] <venzen> newbie: navigate up one level to your home directory
[01:59] <tonkar> venzen: :D, thanks a lot again, and the last question, when i want add/modify this files, shoud i be login in with www-data, or better i add my typically user to the www-data group?
[02:00] <nilezon> delire, learning by failing ... or trail and error ...
[02:00] <gaging> they use microsoft
[02:00] <cafuego_> gaging: they're not using 1) ymessenger on Ubuntu or 2) Linux.
[02:00] <Vespoli> XFS -- yayy!!!
[02:00] <gaging> yes
[02:00] <crimsun> Vespoli: if you choose the expert install, you can create an XFS partition
[02:00] <ompaul> KanRiNiN, well I do not regard it as a problem, is it a chance to point out to you how the copyright extreamists and software patent extreamists are trying to make you live in a totally pay to do anything culture
[02:00] <delire> nilezon: and you have found no other with your laptop and the same issue?
[02:00] <gaging> in ubuntu? how to connect cam?
[02:00] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> DewDude It gets the idea across. I'm Crys, btw.
[02:00] <sybariten> ok so ifconfig shows that i dont have any IP ... AFAIK. I'm normally on DHCP. Now i gave this line : "ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up"   ... is that normally enough to make the machine ready to receive an ssh connection from another computer in the LAN ?
[02:00] <nilezon> delire, it's not a very common laptop
[02:00] <gaging> in ubuntu? how to connect cam? or voice?
[02:00] <Vespoli> sweet
[02:00] <cafuego_> Vespoli: keep in mind XFS is slow for normal use and not as stable as ext3.
[02:00] <DewDude> heh
[02:00] <cafuego_> gaging: "not".
[02:00] <delire> nilezon: out of interest which is it?
[02:00] <Vespoli> its not that slow .... ?
[02:00] <DewDude> i'm running ubuntu on a mac
[02:01] <Vespoli> I think its fast because it caches
[02:01] <DewDude> runs good :)
[02:01] <gaging> you mean it cant?
[02:01] <nilezon> delire, didn't found anyone else with the same problem and a solution
[02:01] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Yes, it really is.
[02:01] <Vespoli> :-/
[02:01] <delire> DewDude: excellent ;)
[02:01] <ubuntu_newbie> OK, I'm up one level and I see Overlay, root and warty
[02:01] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Ditto. dewdude.
[02:01] <venzen> tonkar: you can set your own user and group as owners of the file :o)
[02:01] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> My i586 is so fooked up.
[02:01] <cafuego_> Vespoli: deleting say a kernel source tree takes twice the time on xfs compared to ext3 here.
[02:01] <nilezon> delire, sony vaio vgn-s2xp (same as vgn-s270)
[02:01] <delire> nilezon: ahah ok..
[02:01] <sybariten> ha!
[02:02] <cafuego_> Vespoli: I hear it's fine for large files, but not many people do a lot of large file i/o on their desktops.
[02:02] <sybariten> i can connect over SSH!
[02:02] <nilezon> delire, you've seen/heard of it?
[02:02] <tonkar> venzen: ok ...., thanks ;)
[02:02] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Anyways I'm gonna read those forums now. I'll catch you all later.
[02:02] <sybariten> no more shoulders going into bits and pieces because of awkward positions with the freaking mac keyboard
[02:02] <venzen> newbie: ok, double click warty...what do you see?
[02:02] <Vespoli> cafuego, so what is the best FS for me --- a laptop user
[02:02] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> This mac wouldn't touch my internet, btw. Not till ubuntu.
[02:02] <Vespoli> lots of smaller files
[02:03] <cafuego_> Vespoli: ext3 with laptop-mode enabled.
[02:03] <sybariten> now: is it complicated to do the samba-sharing thing from the console? i normally have a shared dir from the ubuntu box
[02:03] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hooray Ubuntu.
[02:03] <Vespoli> laptop mode <---- wtf is that?
[02:03] <adjacent> whats the keystoke in gnome to switch desktops?
[02:03] <robotgeek> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: ext3 seems to work well
[02:03] <Vespoli> how is that possible too ?
[02:03] <cafuego_> Vespoli: the laptop-mode (it's a package you can install) will cause it to not flush to disk every 5 seconds, so the disk can actually spin down and save power.
[02:03] <ubuntu_newbie> In warty is desktop with 0 items and a document called fall which is "OLE2 compound document storage"
[02:04] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Oh, another question. would it be a daunting task to re-build a tiny linux for a new arch?
[02:04] <Toba|BSD> I have a broken package, how can I find it?
[02:04] <Toba|BSD> it says to use the filter
[02:04] <Vespoli> oooh and how often does the disk spin down by default with this ? 5 seconds with this laptop thing or do I need to turn on some additional feature ?
[02:04] <Toba|BSD> but I can't find how to use filters
[02:04] <Toba|BSD> (this is in synaptic btw)
[02:04] <cafuego_> Toba|BSD: bottom left curner in synaptic, select status, then 'Broken'.
[02:04] <Vespoli> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, already some exist
[02:04] <Toba|BSD> ok
[02:04] <venzen> newbie: sorry, i am not familiar with the live cd environment - lets try this via console: toppanel>applications>system tools>terminal
[02:04] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> robotgeek: ext3 is a fs, right?
[02:05] <gaging> who know's how to connect cam in ubuntu?
[02:05] <robotgeek> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: yup, and the default one
[02:05] <venzen> usb?
[02:05] <Vespoli> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac, -_-
[02:05] <cafuego_> Vespoli: normally it would not spin down at all, that's the thing with journalling filesystems, they continually dump the journal to disk.
[02:05] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> vespoli I know. But damn small doesnt.
[02:05] <Toba|BSD> thanks cafuego_
[02:05] <Vespoli> ahhh
[02:05] <ubuntu_newbie> I can open a terminal window.
[02:05] <sybariten> forget my question about the samba sharing ... appearently the sharing still workds, from the ubuntu box to my XP workstation. the ubuntu box cant reach the internet though
[02:05] <Vespoli> cafuego, so I need this package ?
[02:05] <Vespoli> called .....
[02:05] <Colossus> Does anybody know how to use mkinitrd to make the initrd file for a new kernel? Just $(mkinitrd -o initrd-whatever), or what?
[02:05] <cafuego_> Vespoli: laptop-mode contains scripts that tweak files in /proc to change that behaviour, so it syncs far less often.
[02:05] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Anyways, I'm just curious.
[02:05] <Vespoli> :D
[02:05] <ubuntu_newbie> I can open root terminal or plain old terminal.
[02:05] <Vespoli> cool
[02:06] <cafuego_> Vespoli: if you want better barttery life, i suggest using it, yes.
[02:06] <Vespoli> ok so can you please tell me which package this is ?
[02:06] <Vespoli> :D
[02:06] <cafuego_> laptop-mode
[02:06] <Vespoli> k
[02:06] <cafuego_> !info laptop-mode
[02:06] <ubotu> laptop-mode: (laptop-mode aims to reduce the power consumption of laptops), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4 (hoary), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
[02:06] <sybariten> is it possible that a machine can have problems reaching everything using domains (such as www.realdoll.com) on the internet, but you can still SSH or FTP to external machines using IPs ?
[02:06] <cafuego_> it uses acpi to determine when the mains power is unplugged and then activates itself.
[02:06] <delire> nilezon: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/sony.html
[02:07] <venzen> newbie: plain terminal and then type:    ls -l .gaim/logs
[02:07] <nalioth> cafuego_: when you are bored, i have something to bore you further with
[02:07] <Vespoli> lol
[02:07] <cafuego_> sybariten: If the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf is down, sure
[02:07] <Vespoli> ty ppl
[02:07] <cafuego_> nalioth: Sorry, I am washing my hair...
[02:07] <sybariten> ok ... if so, how can i find an IP to try and reach with some service to see if i have any internet access at all ?
[02:08] <ubuntu_newbie> Ok. There's two lines in the listing.
[02:08] <venzen> syba: ping google.com
[02:08] <robotgeek> sybariten: ifconfig eth0 to find your ip
[02:08] <ubuntu_newbie> drwx------    3 warty    users          60 Sep 15 20:21 yahoo
[02:08] <venzen> newb: what do they say
[02:08] <delire> cafuego_: ahah one of those waterproof laptops..
[02:08] <ubuntu_newbie> drwx------    3 warty    users          60 Sep 15 20:17 aim
[02:08] <dldd> Hi, I'm trying to build ndis wrappers, but I get a message saying that gcc-3.4 is not found.  Can anybody tell me how to get that?
[02:08] <cafuego_> sybariten: 'host www.google.com <IP_ADDRESS>'
[02:08] <sybariten> robotgeek: i know  my own IP (on the ubuntu box) ... its .. hmm well the itnernal IP is <IP_ADDRESS> right now
[02:09] <venzen> newbie: ok, type:   cd .gaim        (be sure to include the dot)
[02:09] <robotgeek> dldd: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:09] <ubuntu_newbie> Can I view these files and then I could copy and paste them into a gmail email or something.
[02:09] <cafuego_> delire: washing my hair as in "in a few minutes, I am washing my hair"
[02:09] <sybariten> cafuego: let me guess, is that like adding a temporary entry somewhere so that the machine understands that single domain ?
[02:09] <dldd> robotgeek,  Thank you!
[02:09] <Vespoli> dldd,  do not use 3.4!!!!
[02:09] <cafuego_> sybariten: yes
[02:09] <_rb_> heyas all. anyone tried doing a local install of a wiki dump lateley ? I've tried the methods they had on the site, but the script they talk about, ImportDump.php isn't there.
[02:09] <dldd> robotgeek,  I've been looking for that for a long time.
[02:09] <Vespoli> its ___so___ unstable
[02:09] <sybariten> cafuego: cool
[02:09] <venzen> newbie you could but we are still looking for your gaim logs
[02:09] <delire> cafuego_: yes i figured ;)
[02:09] <cafuego_> sybariten: if that works, your dns server is bad.
[02:09] <gaging> who know's how to connect cam in ubuntu?
[02:09] <sybariten> ok
[02:09] <gaging> who know's how to connect cam in ubuntu?
[02:10] <ubuntu_newbie> Ok.
[02:10] <dldd> Vespoli, that's the error I get.  It looks like I have 4.0 installed already
[02:10] <ubuntu_newbie> I did that.
[02:10] <ubuntu_newbie> accels  accounts.xml  blist.xml  icons  logs  prefs.xml  smileys
[02:10] <ubuntu_newbie> That's that it says when I do ls
[02:10] <Vespoli> ok x-\ I thought you had 4.0
[02:10] <ubuntu_newbie> Ahhh. We're closing in on logs
[02:10] <robotgeek> gaging: asking your question repeatedly will not ensure that someone will answer you. we've seen you asking before, and if someone know, be assured that they will reply.
[02:10] <delire> gaging: don't repeat. what web camera is it? try plugging it in and using a webcam application like camorama
[02:10] <ubuntu_newbie> logs has aim yahoo.
[02:11] <sybariten> uhm ok i got a really odd error with the host command
[02:11] <nalioth> aarrrgh
[02:11] <venzen> newbie: no irc folder?
[02:11] <ubuntu_newbie> They're in bright blue type, the filenames, that is.
[02:11] <cafuego_> such as?
[02:11] <ubuntu_newbie> Nope. No irc folder.
[02:11] <cafuego_> nalioth: What were you going to make my day interesting with?
[02:12] <sybariten> timer.c:645: fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(isc_time_now(&now(( == 0) failed
[02:12] <_rb_> oh yeah, and whats this i hear about nvidia being broken in 5.04 ?
[02:12] <nalioth> cafuego_: when you "eyes nalioth" my nick highlights, but that's the only time it does
[02:12] <venzen> newbie then you have to set in your gaim preferences:  logging>log all chats
[02:12] <cafuego_> sybariten: system clock skewed?
[02:12] <hablandocontigo> hi, I'm trying to share user folder with this Mac connected to my network, I created an smb share via gnome/ubuntu tool and tried to connect to it through network but I get the message "could not connect because original item could not be found"
[02:12] <ubuntu_newbie> I am logging all chats.
[02:12] <apokryphos> ubuntu_newbie: congrats!
[02:12] <robotgeek> nalioth: did it stop working suddenly?
[02:12] <ubuntu_newbie> I found them.
[02:12] <cafuego_> nalioth so maybe it refuses to match when there's a colon
[02:13] <ubuntu_newbie> What's the command to display a file?
[02:13] <venzen> newbie: tell us
[02:13] <sybariten> cafuego: perhaps ...  ubuntu complains nowadays when it tries to do some nfs-thing in the startup ...    ...if nfs is the correct name for that clock-service ... on the net
[02:13] <dldd> Vespoli,  Is there some way I can tell it to use 4.0?
[02:13] <venzen> newbie: cat <file>
[02:13] <ubuntu_newbie> Equivalent of the DOS type command?
[02:13] <cafuego_> sybariten: No, ntp :-)
[02:13] <ubuntu_newbie> Ahh right.
[02:13] <sybariten> cafuego: oh, yeah, i mean ntp
[02:13] <delire> venzen: hehe hmm
[02:13] <sybariten> nfs is the file sharing thing
[02:13] <cafuego_> sybariten: Start with: 'ntpdate -s <IP_ADDRESS>'
[02:13] <robotgeek> ubuntu_newbie: cat <filename> | less
[02:13] <cafuego_> sybariten: run that as root.
[02:13] <Vespoli> sorry dldd
[02:13] <sybariten> whats that IP? some german time server ?
[02:14] <ubuntu_newbie> OK I dug down and found some text files.
[02:14] <cafuego_> sybariten: no, an australian pool.ntp.org mirror (mine)
[02:14] <ubuntu_newbie> What I thought was a file was a directory
[02:14] <dldd> ok, thanks anyway.
[02:14] <sybariten> ok
[02:14] <sybariten> no complaints actually!
[02:14] <venzen> newbie: go in there and dig :o)
[02:14] <cafuego_> After that, run that host command again.
[02:14] <sybariten> shall i try the host command again now ?
[02:14] <sybariten> ok
[02:15] <ubuntu_newbie> How do I copy a file name from the directory listing and paste it into the command line after the cat command?
[02:15] <cafuego_> If that then works, add 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' in your /etc/resolv.conf
[02:15] <sybariten> samer error, more or less
[02:15] <venzen> newbie: you gotta do ctrl+shift+c
[02:15] <ubuntu_newbie> OK
[02:15] <sybariten> actually i dont think the "time" and "timer" in the error msg necessarily refers to system clock
[02:15] <venzen> newbie: and then ctrl+shift+v to paste
[02:15] <cafuego_> sybariten: is your system on time?
[02:16] <sybariten> hm ... "date" command perhaps ?
[02:16] <delire> ubuntu_newbie: select and then middle mouse button to paste, or use a copy keybind if your terminal supports it.
[02:16] <ubuntu_newbie> Yeeeehaaah! i
[02:16] <cafuego_> sybariten: yeah
[02:16] <venzen> newbie: excellent X)
[02:16] <ubuntu_newbie> I got the (*&* file to display
[02:16] <sybariten> fri jan 1 03:34:36 CET 1904
[02:16] <sybariten> i'd say thats slightly off the beat, yes
[02:16] <hablandocontigo> hi, I'm trying to share user folder with this Mac connected to my network, I created an smb share via gnome/ubuntu tool and tried to connect to it through network but I get the message "could not connect because original item could not be found"
[02:16] <venzen> well done
[02:16] <nalioth> hablandocontigo: use NFS when sharing with macs
[02:16] <ubuntu_newbie> OK. Who wants to hire me as a sysadmin now? LOL
[02:17] <delire> hablandocontigo: strange.. are you trying to refresh an old share?
[02:17] <nalioth> hablandocontigo: at least if you're sharing with OSX
[02:17] <cafuego_> sybariten: Well, from C experience, &now would normally indicate a call to localtime() and storing the result in a time_t *
[02:17] <agoncalves> I guys, can anyone tell me how to install my bluetooth in ubunto? cheers.
[02:17] <venzen> ubuntu_newbie: please type:   pwd   and tell me what it outputs
[02:17] <_rb_> anyone tried installing wikibooks/wikimedia on a linux box before ?
[02:17] <sybariten> cafuego: ok
[02:17] <cafuego_> sybariten: Can you make sure that ntp-simple isn't running?
[02:17] <cafuego_> sybariten: Then rerun ntpdate
[02:17] <sybariten> hm, but the sucess of the ntpdate command must mean that it can more or less reach some parts of the net
[02:17] <sybariten> ok hang on
[02:17] <Vespoli> ping google.com
[02:17] <hablandocontigo> delire I am using Mac OS X Tiger with Ubuntu Hoary Hedghog completely updated
[02:18] <vermyndax> evenin
[02:18] <cafuego_> sybariten: Yes, but ntpdate can fail if ntp-simple is running
[02:18] <hablandocontigo> delire I just created this shared folder today
[02:18] <ubuntu_newbie> It's warty@ubuntu:~/.gaim/logs/aim/myusername/thepersonIchattedwithsusername
[02:18] <cafuego_> oh dear, a bitchx user. I though we'd exterminated those...
[02:19] <nalioth> hablandocontigo: NFS is built into both of your systems, samba should not be necessary
[02:19] <delire> hablandocontigo: right, OSX tiger confuses the hell out of me. i would ask others here.
[02:19] <TokenBad> I know going to get tired of hearing this..but what is program to watch bandwidth for ubuntu?
[02:19] <delire> cafuego_: hey ;)
[02:19] <nalioth> hablandocontigo: samba is a microsoft necessity
[02:19] <venzen> OK well done XD
[02:19] <Vespoli> samba is retarded crap
[02:19] <sybariten> ntp-simple isnt a command on my machine
[02:19] <cafuego_> hablandocontigo: get 'NFS Manager' for OSX, it's shareware, but you'll need it only once. makes setting up OSX as dyanmic NFS client nice and easy.
[02:19] <Vespoli> ms should be shot in the face for something that retarded
[02:19] <venzen> now try: (in terminal): ls -al
[02:19] <Vespoli> and slow
[02:19] <Vespoli> N F S RULEZ00RZ
[02:20] <vermyndax> NFS is built in to Windows 2003 R2
[02:20] <DewDude> holy moly
[02:20] <Diffindo> I'm trying to follow the instructions on
[02:20] <cafuego_> sybariten; Hmm, try 'sudo ntpdate -v -s <IP_ADDRESS>'
[02:20] <Diffindo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[02:20] <DewDude> they're rapidly releasing new updates for the breezy preview
[02:20] <Vespoli> omg you serious?
[02:20] <cafuego_> vermyndax: who cares?
[02:20] <Diffindo> And I get the following error msg
[02:20] <Vespoli> nfs is built in? :-o
[02:20] <hablandocontigo> nalioth thanks, I will try nfs
[02:20] <vermyndax> Vespoli: yep, totally serious
[02:20] <Diffindo> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found
[02:20] <hablandocontigo> delire thanks for your help
[02:20] <Diffindo> help
[02:20] <cafuego_> Diffindo: sudo apt-get install java-package
[02:20] <nalioth> hablandocontigo: see what cafuego_ told you above
[02:21] <ubuntu_newbie> Thanks venzen. I really appreciate it.
[02:21] <sybariten> cafuego: i'm already root. .. but ok
[02:21] <vermyndax> services for unix is now a standard part of the OS in Windows 2003 R2 and up... including NFS services
[02:21] <Diffindo> I did that
[02:21] <venzen> welcome
[02:21] <cafuego_> sybariten:  ah ok :-)
[02:21] <cafuego_> sybariten: the -v should give some info as to what it's doing
[02:21] <venzen> also try:    cd ../    and then    ls -al
[02:21] <Diffindo> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[02:21] <sybariten> cafuego: actually it didnt
[02:22] <sybariten> took sligtly longer than the last ntpdate command, but no output at all.
[02:22] <Diffindo> fuck it
[02:22] <hablandocontigo> cafuego_ thanks for the top
[02:22] <delire> language sonny
[02:22] <khermans> anyone know of a DVD burning app other than k3b -- and hopefully GUI?
[02:22] <hablandocontigo> tip*
[02:22] <vermyndax> khermans: gnomebaker
[02:22] <TokenBad> what is program to watch bandwidth for ubuntu?
[02:22] <ShakeZula> Hi...  I'm having trouble with my sound.  IN short, I have none.  Ub found my Sound Blaster Live! card, but nothing is happening.
[02:22] <_rb_> have you searched synaptic khermans
[02:22] <khermans> _rb_, yes
[02:23] <clarkn0va> hey, i just got a wireless b card for this laptop.  can someone tell me what utility i need to run to set it up?
[02:23] <cafuego_> hablandocontigo: Oh, and you WILL need to use a map file to map user and group IDs between Ubuntu and OSX.
[02:23] <khermans> vermyndax, gnomebaker does DVD+/- R?
[02:23] <cafuego_> hablandocontigo: Ubuntu starts users at 1000, OSX at 500.
[02:23] <venzen> khermans: try this tutorial http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-117709-highlight-howto+dvd+avi+mpeg.html
[02:23] <cafuego_> sybariten: And still no joy from 'date' ?
[02:23] <vermyndax> khermans: I've yet to burn a DVD with it, but it detected my burner correctly
[02:23] <delire> cafuego_: out of interest why is that *neccessary?
[02:23] <delire> cafuego_ ok i see above
[02:24] <cafuego_> delire: Coz OSX user 500 may not write to a dir own by Ubuntu user 1000, it goes horribly wrong, unless you detsroy the perms.
[02:24] <jynx> would anyone know why i can't install k3b to breezy? get this message in synaptic - Depends: k3blibs but it is not going to be installed
[02:24] <cafuego_> Sadly OSX doesn't include rpc.ugidd.
[02:24] <delire> cafuego_: right, yes
[02:24] <jynx> am a newbie
[02:24] <jori> i have gtk and gtk-dev installt but i can stil not build Gtk thinks its stil say i don't have GTK :S
[02:25] <Vespoli> :S
[02:25] <jori> Package libgtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[02:25] <jori>
[02:25] <Vespoli> wtf?
[02:25] <cafuego_> khermans: yes, gnome-baker does DVDs just fine.
[02:25] <clarkn0va> i just got a wireless b card for this laptop.  can someone tell me what utility i need to run to set it up?
[02:25] <_rb_> oh well, last try.
[02:25] <robotgeek> !wireless
[02:25] <ubotu> I heard wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[02:25] <jori> Vespoli, i'm building by hand maby dat is the error :S
[02:25] <poningru> clarkn0va: depends on what card it is
[02:26] <_rb_> Does anyone here run wikibooks locally, or does anyone know how to install the data dump ( xml ) into a mysql database
[02:26] <poningru> check out that website
[02:26] <delire> _rb_ no, though i am soon to give it a go.
[02:26] <sybariten> cafuego: no...  still in the wrong decade
[02:26] <poningru> _rb_: -> #wikimedia
[02:26] <clarkn0va> thanks
[02:26] <Vespoli> jori, rofl
[02:26] <_rb_> oooo. din think of that. I'd been trying to go there when i got on mirc and got sidetracked by an ubuntu channel
[02:27] <agoncalves> does anyone knows how to install a usb bluetooth?
[02:27] <sybariten> oh well i think i will go to bed now anyways, dont feel to alert. i will come back and pester you tomorrow. thanks for your help!
[02:27] <_rb_> erm... xirc.
[02:27] <delire> _rb_ hehe
[02:27] <sybariten> to = too
[02:27] <lundner> has somebody an idea how to include the irc chat in the background?!
[02:28] <poningru> I would be interested in knowing this as well
[02:28] <jori> Vespoli, what so funny ?
[02:28] <norman> dryde.net
[02:29] <Vespoli> jori, compiling by hand it so crazy because I suck at it
[02:29] <poningru> who's the mozilla-firefox package maintainer?
[02:29] <poningru> is s/he working on 1.0.7?
[02:29] <jori> Vespoli, we you're bluiding sameting you're self it can be usefull
[02:29] <Vespoli> k
[02:30] <poningru> !firefox
[02:30] <ubotu> poningru: What?
[02:30] <poningru> !mozilla-firefox
[02:30] <ubotu> poningru: No idea
[02:30] <Vespoli> wtf
[02:30] <Vespoli> !firefox
[02:30] <Vespoli> !firefox
[02:30] <Vespoli> !firefox
[02:30] <nilezon> delire, new question ... how do i enable xorg startup logging, and where do i find the log?
[02:30] <Vespoli> stop it people
[02:30] <delire> nilezon /var/log/X.0.log
[02:31] <delire> nilezon sorry /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:31] <nilezon> delire, thanks!
[02:31] <delire> nilezon: np
[02:32] <delire> ok, tis late. out
[02:33] <armor98926> hey how do i check my cookies?
[02:34] <nilezon> delire, the synaptic driver seem to load at startup ... very strange
[02:35] <h4zn__> How do i import Music from my cd?
[02:35] <Vespoli> :'(
[02:35] <Vespoli> h4zn__, wtf do you mean
[02:35] <armor98926> my cookies
[02:35] <Vespoli> your cookies are belong to us
[02:35] <armor98926> no
[02:35] <Vespoli> yes
[02:35] <armor98926> no
[02:35] <Vespoli> MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
[02:35] <h4zn__> I wan to copy the music i have in a cd to a folder
[02:36] <Vespoli> great -- use nautilus or konqueror
[02:36] <Vespoli> armor98926, lol sorry
[02:36] <Vespoli> I have no clue
[02:36] <Vespoli> depends on browser
[02:36] <Vespoli> I use IE on Linux >:)
[02:36] <Vespoli> j/k
[02:36] <h4zn__> So do you konw how to do it?
[02:36] <armor98926> anyway how do i check my cookies
[02:36] <Colossus> I know someone who does.
[02:36] <Colossus> He's a web designer, though.
[02:37] <h4zn__> Anyone?
[02:37] <naurd> Hi all, what's the prefered wireless roaming tool under ubuntu...  For now, i use netapplet...
[02:37] <nalioth> armor98926: some more info would be nice...browser name, etc
[02:37] <ubuntu_newbie> Thanks again venz. Now I'm going to reboot and try to get it recognize my USB keychain. Wish me luck!
[02:37] <_quik_> hey folks
[02:38] <TokenBad> what is program to watch bandwidth for ubuntu?
[02:38] <_quik_> is it possible/sensible to install ubuntu to a local harddrive?
[02:38] <venzen> h4zn: you want to use an app like 'grip' torip the music to your home folder, right?
[02:38] <h4zn__> yes
[02:39] <venzen> so, sudo apt-get install grip
[02:39] <venzen> has good help files
[02:39] <h4zn__> thanks
[02:39] <venzen> sho
[02:39] <armor98926> how do i check my cookies
[02:40] <hubert> ??
[02:40] <venzen> armor: go firefox preferences and then click privacy tab and there is a button to see your cookies
[02:40] <armor98926> ok thanx
[02:40] <armor98926> i dont have that capability is their another way
[02:41] <_quik_> how can I install ubuntu?
[02:41] <giovann> hello
[02:41] <giovann> any one here know how to install a webcam in ubuntu ?
[02:41] <nalioth> _quik_: download an install disk at www.ubuntulinux.org/download
[02:41] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _quik_ about install
[02:42] <giovann> does any one here know how to install a webcam in yahoo mesenger ?
[02:42] <giovann> any body home ?
[02:43] <bdt1805> what would be the proper format for setting dma on my cdrom drive in /etc/modules?
[02:43] <_quik_> is there a net-install option?
[02:43] <bdt1805> in the modules file? no
[02:44] <bdt1805> Im used to just going into device manager in windows to enable dma hehe
[02:45] <armor98926> need to check my cookies how do i do that
[02:45] <h4zn__> Do i rip Or rip+ encode?
[02:45] <bdt1805> heres what I put, "options /dev/hdc dma=1" am i supposed to replace "options" with something?
[02:46] <persia> It's Bug Day!  We're attempting to fix bugs in #ubuntu-bugs to make Breezy all it could be, but don't have any representatives running under PowerPC.  Is there anyone here running Breezy on PowerPC who would be willing to help?
[02:46] <armor98926> can anyone tell me how to check my cookies
[02:46] <hay> how can i add a new hard drive to my ubuntu machine and make that the new /home partition?
[02:47] <robotgeek_away> persia: sure
[02:47] <persia> robotgeek_away: Please /join #ubuntu-bugs.  Thank you very much.
[02:48] <nalioth> armor98926: please give us more info
[02:48] <ugo> anyone know the package for makeinfo
[02:48] <ugo> ?
[02:48] <ugo> et al...
[02:48] <Diffindo> okay...
[02:48] <Diffindo> I need someone
[02:48] <Diffindo> to take me
[02:49] <Diffindo> by the hand
[02:49] <Diffindo> and detail
[02:49] <Diffindo> the *exact* steps
[02:49] <Diffindo> to installing Java
[02:49] <bdt1805> lol
[02:49] <Diffindo> please
[02:49] <ugo> makeinfo
[02:49] <transgre1s> hey anyone have any clue about how much space it would take if i had beagle index my entire harddrive?
[02:49] <ugo> too...
[02:49] <nalioth> Diffindo: that is the way to get removed
[02:49] <hay> Diffindo: that is where $ comes in handy
[02:49] <TokenBad> Diffindo did you check ubuntuguide.org?
[02:50] <Diffindo> not
[02:50] <Diffindo> no*
[02:50] <TokenBad> well go there
[02:50] <TokenBad> it has a step by step on it
[02:50] <nalioth> Diffindo: do not use your enter key for puntuation
[02:50] <ugo> meanwhile openafs-client finally worked today when i did a dist-upgrade
[02:51] <GH0|HP> Hello
[02:51] <GH0|HP> I have a question.
[02:51] <ugo> need to compile the module which is why i need the conf tools....which apparently arent installed by default....
[02:51] <GH0|HP> I am trying to install ubuntuu, except when I install it stops at mounting CD-Rom Drive. and I cant get past it. What can I do to make it get past it?
[02:51] <nalioth> GH0|HP: check your md5 sums on your cd
[02:52] <GH0|HP> Where is that?
[02:52] <ugo> which is why i asked the question...which was does anyone know the correct package names of the autoconf tools
[02:52] <Diffindo> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[02:52] <Diffindo> ^I got that
[02:52] <TokenBad> did you edit the repository list?
[02:52] <TokenBad> and then update apt-get?
[02:52] <Diffindo> Forgive me in my complete noobish-ness...
[02:52] <TokenBad> Diffindo, msg me
[02:52] <Diffindo> take me by the hand...
[02:53] <nalioth> GH0|HP: on your cd in the root is a txt file with md5 sums, run your md5 on it and check the cd
[02:53] <_quik_> if I'm running ubuntu from a live cd, can I burn cd's still?
[02:54] <Diffindo> _quik_: If you have a free CD-R drive... maybe
[02:54] <_quik_> heh
[02:54] <Xappe> seems like the send-on-enter msn kids has finally reached the irc networks :P *scrolling the log*
[02:54] <_quik_> nooe
[02:54] <_quik_> Looks like I'll copy it to the other machine
[02:54] <GH0|HP> Through, DOS (I am running windows 2K right now.)?
[02:54] <giovann> hello
[02:55] <TokenBad> Diffindo, are you checking your msg that I sending?
[02:55] <TokenBad> to tell you what to do?
[02:55] <giovann> may ask if ubuntu can install an online game ?
[02:55] <Jeaton> GH0|HP - do you still have the ISO on that computer you're using
[02:55] <Jeaton> ?
[02:55] <giovann> is there have an online game to install in linux ?
[02:55] <GH0|HP> Yes.
[02:56] <Jeaton> PM me
[02:56] <nalioth> TokenBad: you have to be identified to nickserv to send private messages
[02:56] <giovann> how to install an online game ?
[02:56] <giovann> can some one help me pls
[02:57] <giovann> hello
[02:57] <consoleathletics> is there anyplace to play the clue boardgame online or a linux download?
[02:57] <h4zn__> MY browser stoped working...
[02:58] <nalioths_dog> giovann: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[02:58] <h4zn__> why is this and how can i fix it?
[02:58] <TokenBad> heheh
[02:58] <TokenBad> thanks nalioth
[02:58] <giovann> ok
[02:58] <ugo> help! i need to compile openafs....! the configure script is complaining about a missing package
[02:58] <giovann> lol
[02:58] <ugo> help help help!!!!
[02:58] <nilezon> nalioths_dog, stop repeating the same answer :)
[02:58] <ugo> jeeze what does a man have to do here to get some assistance...!
[02:58] <djm62> ugo: apt-cache search missingpackage
[02:59] <armor98926> how do i check my cookies
[02:59] <ugo> well thank you jdm62....
[02:59] <Xappe> ugo: ask?
[02:59] <Vespoli> hello
[02:59] <ugo> but i already tried that
[02:59] <Vespoli> damn it stop with the cookies
[02:59] <Vespoli> go to #fedora
[02:59] <ugo> here's the missing package list
[02:59] <djm62> then install the package (probably libsomething-dev) that seems to fit best
[02:59] <Vespoli> :-P
[02:59] <nalioth> ugo: if you read the configure output, you can help yourself
[02:59] <armor98926> as soon as i get told how to check them then i will leave
[03:00] <DewDude> how can i find out what window manager i'm using?
[03:00] <armor98926> until then i will stay here
[03:00] <h4zn__> MY browser stoped working......why is this and how can i fix it?
[03:00] <nalioth> armor98926: WHAT browser are you using? you've been asked several times
[03:00] <armor98926> Firefox
[03:00] <armor98926> i never got it sorry nal
[03:00] <ugo> nalioth...if i could help myself i honestly wouldnt be asking....
[03:01] <Vespoli> how can I burn an UBUNTU ISO without graphical tools ?
[03:01] <Vespoli> how can I burn an UBUNTU ISO without graphical tools ?
[03:01] <ugo> trust me...sometimes asking a question saves time....thats all....
[03:01] <nalioths_dog> ugo, the configure output tells you what is missing
[03:01] <nalioths_dog> ugo, use synaptic to install the mssing things
[03:01] <ugo> and aptitude cant find it...
[03:01] <ugo> aptitude search aclocal-1.4
[03:01] <ugo> throws up nothing....
[03:01] <giovann> how can i know the password of my root ?
[03:02] <h4zn__> MY browser stoped working...why is this and how can i fix it?
[03:02] <nalioth> armor98926: go to prefs, look in the privacy tab at cookies
[03:02] <nalioth> !tell giovann about root
[03:02] <armor98926> their is not privacy tab
[03:02] <nalioth> armor98926: there is nothing marked "privacy"
[03:02] <armor98926> no nothing at all
[03:03] <nalioth> armor98926: what version of ff are you using?
[03:03] <ugo> for instance "aptitude search makeinfo" throws up nothing
[03:03] <nalioth> ugo: do you have all your repos enabled?
[03:03] <Xappe> armor98926: or check .mozilla/firefox in your home dir it should contain a file called cookies.txt
[03:03] <armor98926> ill try brb
[03:03] <Diffindo> I am officially convinced that I am too ignorant to use Linux....
[03:04] <ugo> AFAICT yeah they are all enabled
[03:05] <DewDude> wow
[03:05] <ugo> Diffindo: come on man....please...even my grandma uses ubuntu
[03:05] <DewDude> 5.10 is turning out quite nice
[03:05] <ugo> and she's 90 + 1
[03:05] <ugo> :-D
[03:05] <armor98926> Xappe: how do i get their
[03:05] <Diffindo> Well...
[03:06] <shinu> xD
[03:06] <ugo> really though whats the problem...i got a few mins...lemme donate to the company i love so much
[03:06] <Diffindo> I'm tired...I'm really agrivated and I need my WINDOWS!!!:'(
[03:06] <djm62> the elderly are still remember doing memory upgrades with torus magnets, wire, and a needle
[03:06] <ugo> bah...quit whining and learn how to use a decently cobbled together os...
[03:06] <lundner> whatfor do you need windows @diffindo?
[03:06] <Diffindo> Gaming
[03:07] <djm62> ugo: try "apt-cache search makeinfo"
[03:07] <lundner> which games?
[03:07] <Diffindo> Morrowind...
[03:07] <Diffindo> Doom 3
[03:07] <DansFloyd> hello! i have a question.... why is it not letting me write to the root folder?
[03:07] <Diffindo> CS:S
[03:07] <Diffindo> and some freeware
[03:07] <lundner> doom 3 runs natively on linux
[03:07] <Diffindo> Really?
[03:07] <lundner> an cs:s should be running with cedega
[03:07] <Diffindo> Neat
[03:07] <Diffindo> Cedaga
[03:08] <armor98926> yes it does
[03:08] <Diffindo> I have now idea how to build a CVS tree properly...
[03:08] <chavo> yes steam runs with cedega
[03:08] <DansFloyd> says i dont have access... but im the first and only user
[03:08] <Diffindo> no*
[03:08] <Diffindo> How well does Wine work?
[03:08] <djm62> DansFloyd: you need to use "sudo" before the command to do things with root privileges
[03:09] <djm62> DansFloyd: and type in your own password
[03:09] <Diffindo> Well, I need major help getting Java installed...
[03:09] <lundner> i guess the latest games won't work
[03:09] <Diffindo> Oh yay
[03:09] <lundner> @Diffindo : http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom ;-)
[03:09] <Diffindo> I got XMMS installed...
[03:10] <chavo> Diffindo, do you play enemy territory?
[03:10] <djm62> DansFloyd: you only need to be root to install and configure system-wide stuff...there's absolutely no advantage otherwise, in fact it's a liability
[03:10] <TokenBad> in kde how do you get to the file browser?
[03:10] <Diffindo> Well...
[03:10] <Diffindo> I don't have CS:S
[03:11] <Diffindo> Or Doom3
[03:11] <DansFloyd> so i cant just copy a file to the folder from the desktop... i have to use the terminal, or konsole
[03:11] <lundner> warcraft3 and Call of Duty are running really well under linux
[03:11] <Diffindo> And I want to get UT2004 soon...
[03:11] <Colossus> TokenBad: run konqueror
[03:11] <megh> whoa.
[03:11] <Colossus> TokenBad: and for the URI, type "/home/" or whatever.
[03:11] <chavo> ut2k4 has a linux native binary too.
[03:11] <lundner> ut 2004 also runs natively under linux :-P
[03:11] <djm62> DansFloyd: out of interest, what are you trying to do?
[03:11] <Diffindo> ok
[03:11] <Diffindo> does someone want to tell me how to fix this>
[03:11] <DansFloyd> install realplayer... it needs the downloaded file in my root folder
[03:11] <Diffindo> ?
[03:12] <Diffindo> andrew@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[03:12] <Diffindo> Reading package lists... Done
[03:12] <Diffindo> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:12] <Diffindo> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[03:12] <Diffindo> andrew@ubuntu:~$
[03:12] <Diffindo> >.>
[03:12] <nalioth> Diffindo: dont paste in here
[03:12] <nalioth> Diffindo: use #flood or a pastebin from the /topic
[03:12] <ugo> hey...whats the package name for the linux kernel-headers
[03:12] <Diffindo> Thanks for all you help...
[03:12] <Madpilot> Diffindo: do you have hoary-extras repo enabled? that's where the jre is...
[03:12] <Diffindo> Yes
[03:13] <djm62> DansFloyd: what page are you following instructions from?
[03:13] <chavo> ugo, linux-headers-x
[03:13] <consoleathletics> what games do you guys play
[03:13] <Diffindo> I went in and enabled ALL of the repos...
[03:13] <chavo> where x is kernel version
[03:13] <lundner> linux-headers @ugo
[03:13] <dylan_> why use windows over linux?  any reasons at all?
[03:13] <DansFloyd> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[03:13] <Diffindo> Well....
[03:13] <dylan_> what will be included in Dapper Drake that will kill Vista?
[03:13] <Burgundavia> DansFloyd, please don
[03:13] <Madpilot> Diffindo: you have to add -extras specially - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto the bottom of that page
[03:14] <Burgundavia> DansFloyd, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[03:14] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[03:14] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[03:14] <Diffindo> Windows is more familiar... Granted, it isn't as secure or powerful... But more people know windows...
[03:14] <DansFloyd> sorry
[03:14] <dylan_> Diffindo, what will be in Dapper that will kill Vista?
[03:14] <dylan_> will Beagle and support for embedded videos in web pages be includeD?
[03:14] <dylan_> how about better fonts?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> dylan_, embeeded videos are already there (mostly)
[03:15] <Burgundavia> dylan_, beagle and network manager
[03:16] <dylan_> Burgundavia, how are embedded videos there?
[03:16] <ugo> yeah...thanks guys
[03:16] <Diffindo> dylan_ I don't know
[03:16] <dylan_> Burgundavia, is that the only additions that will be there? beagle and the network thing
[03:16] <Diffindo> But...
[03:16] <Diffindo> I think Google should make an OS...
[03:16] <Daemonic> how do I get nfs setup? I have portmap installed but seem to be missing the require rpc.<services>
[03:16] <Burgundavia> dylan_, no, the goals for dapper have not yet been speced out
[03:16] <dylan_> nah
[03:16] <Diffindo> Something that would kill everything else...
[03:16] <ugo> i do all my work as root....i enjoy the feeling of ultimate responsibility....
[03:16] <Madpilot> the Google OS - have google ads right on your desktop! yay! ... not.
[03:17] <dylan_> Burgundavia, why is M$ making all their stuff bloated? what makes it bloated?
[03:17] <bigy> I think... google linux
[03:17] <Diffindo> Madpilot... Er...
[03:17] <dylan_> googlix
[03:17] <ugo> besides worms are overrated
[03:17] <Diffindo> Oodle....
[03:17] <bigy> google office
[03:17] <Burgundavia> dylan_, this is #ubuntu, not #bash-MS, please keep it that way
[03:17] <Diffindo> Actaully...
[03:17] <ugo> heh heh
[03:17] <lundner> you are really brave ugo you should become racing-driver 8-)
[03:17] <bigy> google is god
[03:17] <dylan_> Burgundavia, no, i mean is it actually bloated?  sorry if bashing
[03:17] <Colossus> Does anyone know how to get initrd-2.6.13 from the new install disk?
[03:18] <Madpilot> dylan_: have you seen some of the projected hardware specs for Vista? They're scary reading...
[03:18] <ugo> nah....a crash dummy would be a better option
[03:18] <nalioth> dylan_: you are welcome to come to #ubuntu-offtopic and discuss anything you like
[03:18] <bigy> Colossus: grub
[03:18] <lundner> hehe
[03:18] <Diffindo> Okay...
[03:18] <dylan_> Burgundavia, thanks again
[03:19] <Diffindo> Where is the custom repo that will get me java?
[03:19] <Colossus> bigy: ... how?
[03:19] <cafuego_> !java
[03:19] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:19] <nalioth> if you are not talking about ubuntu, you should go talk in #ubuntu-offtopic (now with flameproof fixtures)
[03:19] <ugo> vista is going to be hot...ure gonna need trusted fingernails to read the screen!
[03:19] <bigy> Colossus: $nano menu.lst
[03:19] <N17R0> Hi can someone help me with installing "Privoxy" please, I have compiled it from source, but I get a error: id: privoxy: No such user
[03:19] <bigy> Colossus: $man grub
[03:20] <Colossus> bigy: ... yeah, but I need to get the initrd file itself.
[03:20] <bigy> Colossus: but... be careful
[03:20] <bigy> Colossus: mkinitrd?
[03:20] <bigy> Colossus: oh... old old skills
[03:20] <Madpilot> Diffindo: hoary-extras, as I said earlier. See the bottom of AddingRepositories for all the info you need.
[03:21] <Colossus> bigy: Yeah, but it can't make the right kernel. I tried mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.13-whatever 2.6.13, but it didn't work.
[03:21] <Diffindo> I added all of the hoary-extras, you clod
[03:21] <Diffindo> Did I not say that before?
[03:21] <Agrajag> that's a good way to get help
[03:21] <Agrajag> insulting people
[03:21] <Diffindo> I'm joking...
[03:22] <Colossus> IRC is not the best medium for sarcasm.
[03:22] <Diffindo> If i really wanted to insult someone, trust me, you would know....
[03:22] <bigy> Colossus: 2.6.13? ha ha try 2.6.12
[03:22] <Diffindo> ok...
[03:23] <Colossus> bigy: er ... I just built the kernel for 2.6.13. Do I need 2.6.12?
[03:23] <nalioth> Diffindo: be civil please
[03:23] <Colossus> (by "just", I mean about forty minutes ago.)
[03:23] <Madpilot> Diffindo: the j2re-<whatever> really is in hoary-extras, last I looked. just search in Synaptic for 'j2re', that should bring it up
[03:23] <Madpilot> Diffindo: and don't forget to hit Reload in Syn...
[03:24] <Diffindo> Look
[03:24] <Diffindo> I'm trying something else here...