[00:05] <Rodisaurio> Hola
[00:05] <holstein> o/
[00:06] <Rodisaurio> Alguien habla español
[00:06] <holstein> !es
[00:06] <Rodisaurio> gracias
[00:07] <Rodisaurio> join #ubuntu-es
[08:13] <vincenzoml> Hi all. I have a laptop with only ubuntu 13.10, booting on UEFI since I previously had windows (RIP). I just installed ubuntustudio but the system still boots the previous system
[08:14] <vincenzoml> I could eventually convert everything to legacy instead of UEFI but since every file is already there, I would like to fix this using UEFI
[08:16] <vincenzoml> I have some directories in /boot/efi/EFI
[08:16] <vincenzoml> one is Boot, another is ubuntu, finally there's ubuntustudio
[08:16] <vincenzoml> Boot is identical to ubuntu
[08:16] <vincenzoml> should I fix this inside /boot/efi or just in my main distribution's /boot/grub?
[08:16] <vincenzoml> or should I maybe ask on the main ubuntu channel?
[08:17] <Unit193> I'd recommend it at this time of night, yep.
[08:17] <Unit193> !uefi | Not sure if it'll help, but I'm out.
[08:20] <vincenzoml> thanks, btw it's 9am here in Italy :)
[08:21] <zequence> vincenzoml: linux-lowlatency is not signed as linux-generic is. Haven't tried UEFI install with Ubuntu Studio
[08:22] <zequence> I would recommend using legacy mode
[08:22] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio 14.04 will have a signed kernel
[08:23] <vincenzoml> zequence, maybe I could add a boot stanza to ubuntu's /boot/grub, that would boot ubuntustudio's grub
[08:24] <zequence> No idea
[08:25] <vincenzoml> thanks anyway
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[15:55] <BarcosyPutas> Hola k ase
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[15:55] <ratakakakakak> Zhichao deja de leer novelas, 5º aviso
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[17:51] <vincenzoml> Hi there, I'm trying to use a soundblaster audigy2 nx with ubuntustudio and I can't get jack to start in full duplex mode on the hw:NX alsa device; however I can do that on the plughw:NX device
[17:51] <vincenzoml> jackd complains about that
[17:52] <vincenzoml> moreover, in qjackctl, even if I type plughw:NX in the device name, I see an error saying that the device can't be acquired
[17:52] <vincenzoml> is everything normal?
[17:52] <vincenzoml> aha
[17:52] <vincenzoml> maybe not
[17:53] <vincenzoml> in dmesg I see an error about "not enough bandwidth for new device state
[23:50] <onaxis> hi i need some help
[23:52] <onaxis> i am new in ubuntu and i want to install my audio interface, any1 can help?
[23:54] <holstein> onaxis: typically, you just plug it in. the drivers in the linux kernel are modular, and pick up what they can pick up
[23:55] <holstein> !audio | onaxis
[23:55] <holstein> !proaudio | onaxis
[23:57] <holstein> onaxis: i will need more information about what interface you have to help more.. feel free and ask in #xubuntu if its a USB audio device and you are in a hurry, otherwise, i will be back later this evening.. cheers!
[23:58] <holstein> also, for proaudio assistance, you can try #opensourcemusicians


[07:31] <popey> is it possible to get a package build score in a ppa bumped up the queue a bit please?
[07:33] <StevenK> popey: Link the build?
[07:33] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/+archive/compiz-precise-sru/+packages
[07:33] <popey> oops
[07:33] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/+archive/compiz-precise-sru/+build/3650330
[07:34] <StevenK> Yeah, found that myself.
[07:34] <StevenK> Bumped
[07:34] <popey> thank you!
[07:37] <popey> StevenK, out of interest, is this the best place to ask for these kinds of requests?
[07:37] <StevenK> popey: It will doe
[07:37] <StevenK> *do
[13:36] <dobey> man apt-get update is really slow with ppas right now :(
[13:40] <mgz> man should be fast :)
[15:42] <azat> Hi all, can anoy body explani why I can't compile project with this line 'unsigned long bufSize = 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 2; // 2 gb', it failed with 'integer overflow in expression'
[15:42] <azat> *anobody
[15:47] <benji> azat: try this: unsigned long bufSize = (unsigned long)1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 2;
[15:47] <benji> and, azat... this is kind of a funny place to ask this question :)
[15:47] <azat> Thanks. I'll try. I ask here because on local machine this works
[15:48] <benji> and #launchpad is abotu non-local machines?  oh! you are getting this failure in a PPA build?
[15:50] <azat> yes
[15:50] <azat> What version of compiler and what compiler launchpad have?
[15:52] <benji> I don't know.
[15:52] <benji> You could ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[17:34] <mdeslaur> hrm
[17:34] <mdeslaur> when I assigned LP: #1023931 to myself, I got this via email: "Marc Deslauriers (mdeslaur) has assigned this bug to you for Gentoo Linux:"
[17:34] <mdeslaur> Gentoo Linux? wazzit? :)
[17:54] <dobey> mdeslaur: did you assign it a task for the Gentoo distro?
[17:55] <mdeslaur> dobey: I didn't. There was one in the bug already
[17:55] <mdeslaur> dobey: but how does that relate to the email you get when you're assigned to an ubuntu task?
[17:55] <mdeslaur> it's picking the first one, or what?
[17:58] <dobey> hmm, i don't know
[17:59] <dobey> mdeslaur: maybe it got confused and picked the task for the original report
[18:07] <mdeslaur> ok
[21:37] <brendand> i have a question about build scores
[21:39] <brendand> why when i build a package do the quantal i386 and amd64 packages build quickly, the precise i386 package build quickly, but the precise amd64 package take forever?
[21:39] <brendand> https://launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/+archive/ppa/+build/3651820
[21:39] <brendand> precise i386
[21:40] <brendand> https://launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/+archive/ppa/+build/3651819
[21:40] <brendand> precise amd64
[21:46] <maxb> 2505 is the 'standard' build score for a PPA. I can't explain why the quantal/amd64 build happened quicker
[21:46] <maxb> Though you don't have any quantal packages in that PPA, so I'm not sure what you mean
[21:52] <wgrant> brendand: There's no difference beteween series -- you probably misread something.
[22:30] <brendand> maxb - yes, i saw that in a different ppa
[22:31] <brendand> wgrant, i'll hold my hands up and say i haven't consistently seen the precise/quantal split
[22:31] <brendand> wgrant, but the i386/amd64 one is very consistent
[22:39] <wgrant> brendand: Well, yes. The amd64 queue is large
[22:40] <wgrant> Because there are fewer amd64 builders
[23:40] <psusi> spam? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/775270/comments/4


[08:25] <Mike1> is the fglrx in your PPA the latest one?
[20:34] <virtuald> i'm trying to find a bug report about xorg on radeon crashing when the screen saver is running, does anyone know about it?
[20:34] <virtuald> seems to be only some screen savers but it happens a lot for me
[20:37] <virtuald> also, SWcursor crashes both radeon and radeonhd on startup, haven't found a bug report for that. what should be included besides xorg.conf and xorg.0.log?
[21:13] <mnemo> virtuald: please file one bug per issue and use the script "ubuntu-bug" to open bugs
[21:13] <mnemo> the "ubuntu-bug" script automatically includes all the log files and info about your hw
[21:13] <mnemo> to use it run "ubuntu-bug xorg" from a terminal
[21:14] <virtuald> ok, shouldn't it be against xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[21:14] <mnemo> yes that's better
[21:14] <virtuald> and radeonhd
[21:14] <mnemo> yes
[21:15] <mnemo> virtuald: ideally, you should collect xorg.log and dmesg right after reproducing your bug, then you're the most likely to capture important error print outs from the bug
[21:15] <mnemo> virtuald: note that even starting the login login prompt will reset xorg.log (and put the previous one in xorg.log.old instead)
[21:16] <virtuald> does ubuntu-bug include Xorg.0.log.old?
[21:16] <mnemo> yes
[21:16] <mnemo> and a bunch of other stuff like xrandr and glxinfo and whatnot
[21:17] <virtuald> yeah i just installad an sshd to try to do that with the screensaver crashes, because i can't get any control over the computer with magic sysrq or the power button
[21:17] <mnemo> ssh is indeed the absolute best way to capture dmesg, xorg.log and xorg.log.old
[21:18] <mnemo> if you have a solid set of repro steps and the proper logs attach, then I also recommend that you file an upstream bug at bugs.freedesktop.org and then you link the two bugs together using the "Also affects project" link on LP.. that way the ubuntu packagers will get automatically notified when its fixed upstream
[21:19] <mnemo> virtuald: also please paste the bug number to me (then I can see if I can repro it as well)
[21:20] <virtuald> what if there already are a bug report at freedesktop? i haven't looked yey
[21:20] <virtuald> yet
[21:20] <virtuald> brb
[21:21] <mnemo> yea search for one first
[21:21] <mnemo> you can also link an existing freedesktop.org bug to your newly created LP bug
[21:25] <mnemo> hi tormod
[21:25] <tormod> hi mnemo
[21:54] <virtuald> where do i disable xscreensaver security?
[21:57] <tormod> virtuald: see "man xscreensaver"
[22:00] <virtuald> i disabled screen locking in the gnome thingy, i didn't find anything on the manpages
[22:01] <virtuald> hope it works
[22:02] <virtuald> rebooting.
[22:53] <tormod> Sarvatt: read your phoronix post that UXA finally works:  the intel focusing pays off apparently :)
[22:53] <tormod> do you know which commit fixed it?
[22:57] <tormod> mnemo: re your mesa debdiff, I think the version should be ubuntu3.1 and not ubuntu4
[22:58] <tormod> and the pocket should be jaunty-proposed
[22:59] <tormod> and you should stuff patch descriptions and links inside the .diff
[23:00] <tormod> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines)
[23:03] <tormod> mnemo: btw I got this backtrace myself today, without using the ring switcher. unfortunately I don't remember exactly what I did, so I can't reproduce.
[23:08] <Sarvatt> it was broken stillas of - 6 days	Remove checks for xf86RotateFreeShadow, introduced in server 1.4.
[23:08] <Sarvatt> and works as of 	Revert "Leave allocator running until lower-level CloseScreens are done"
[23:09] <Sarvatt> not that much  in-between those two
[23:09] <Sarvatt> could end up having been mesa or something I imagine too since I switched to 7.6 at the same time as the driver
[23:10] <Sarvatt> plus i completely purged compiz and it doesnt reinstall with karmic right now :D metacity compisiting is fine though
[23:12] <mnemo> Sarvatt: aah that's probably why compiz broke during my karmic upgrade as well...
[23:12] <mnemo> tormod: thanks for the link, I will cleanup the debdiff
[23:15] <tormod> virtuald: if you are using the "gnomy thing" you might not be using xscreensaver but gnome-screensaver
[23:15] <virtuald> yeah
[23:15] <virtuald> the default screensavers
[23:19] <virtuald> bug 371405
[23:30] <tormod> virtuald: try to find the log with a backtrace, or run gdb over ssh
[23:31] <mnemo> tormod: so with the debdiff... i should do the "quilt refresh", "quilt pop -a" as usual... and then after that I manually edit the .diff ?
[23:32] <tormod> mnemo: yes you can edit the patch afterwards. but I guess a "quilt refresh" will delete any existing comments :)
[23:32] <mnemo> okay, yea that makes sense
[23:33] <tormod> virtuald: check also the gdm logs for backtraces
[23:34] <mnemo> tormod: one final question... why 3.1 ? basically I just used "dch -i" and that autoincrements the version I think?
[23:35] <virtuald> heh it was there when i checked before it started lynx (which i hate for its handling of left arrow in text fields)
[23:36] <virtuald> brb then
[23:37] <tormod> mnemo: for SRU it is always .1, just in case there would be a ubuntu4 coming in Karmic. AFAIK.
[23:37] <tormod> but you read the SRU wiki page, right? :)
[23:38] <mnemo> i didnt know there was one :o
[23:38] <mnemo> i will now though :D
[23:43] <tormod> more confirmations of recent intel improvements in bug 252094 \o/
[23:49] <virtuald> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26293169/Xorg.0.log.old


[00:35] <up_the_irons> hey guys, am I right in seeing that "/usr/bin/man" doesn't appear in any package (in Hardy)?
[00:35] <up_the_irons> dpkg -S /usr/bin/man, does not return any package
[00:36] <up_the_irons> so, how do I get that binary short of copying it from another machine?  is there some "base files" package I should look at?
[00:36] <up_the_irons> I don't know why it wasn't installed on this Xen guest I just created, weird
[00:36] <directhex> man-db: /usr/lib/man-db/man
[00:37] <directhex> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-08-02 19:28 /usr/bin/man -> ../lib/man-db/man
[00:37] <up_the_irons> ah!
[00:38] <up_the_irons> directhex: thanks, I should checked to see if it was a symlink!
[02:33] <rockstar> Can I get a motu to look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/entertainer/+bug/262235
[02:34] <rockstar> It's actually a bug in a universe package, and I've already gotten the fix.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hm.
[02:37]  * Hobbsee wonders how that works with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyclutter/+bug/267478
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh, right.  hardy only.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> rockstar: editing bug.
[02:45]  * Hobbsee flips more switches for it
[02:47] <Hobbsee> dude, way bad web design for the clutter site :(
[02:48] <Hobbsee> james_w: looks like clutter (if it's the same as pyclutter) is out at 0.8.2?
[02:49] <RAOF> Clutter isn't the same as pyclutter; pyclutter is the python bindings.
[02:49] <RAOF> And there still aren't 0.8 python bindings.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:50] <RAOF> At least, not on their ftp site.
[02:50] <RAOF> Hobbsee: You wanted the waiting for approval message bounced to you?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no.  just tell me you have it.
[02:50] <RAOF> Ah.    Yay for completely unhelpful upstream CVS commits!
[02:54]  * Hobbsee glares at http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923#c3 and gives up
[02:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what's the problem there?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: try to extract the patch out.  you'll see.
[02:57] <RAOF> Man.  Is python-gtk ever going to be fixed on hppa?
[02:57] <ajmitch> s/python-gtk/anything/
[02:59] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you wouldn't be meaning the lack of a visible place to grab the source?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that too.  but I did find that.
[03:00] <ajmitch> doibg better than me then
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: http://clutter-project.org/download.html
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, it did take me a while to find the menu, too
[03:04] <ScottK> superm1|away: I do have bluetooth, but I haven't used it much.  If someone has a test procedure, I can do it.
[03:05] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: so with that, only took about 5 min to find the patch
[03:05] <ajmitch> no time at all... :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.  how'd you manage?
[03:05]  * Hobbsee wonders what file it was against.
[03:06] <ajmitch> svn diff -r2770:2771 http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/clutter/branches/pyclutter-0-6 |less
[03:06] <ajmitch> I looked at svn log for commits around that date, this one matched
[03:07] <ajmitch> the changelog entry says which file, too
[03:08] <Hobbsee> didn't seem to exist for me.
[03:08] <ajmitch> pyclutter-0-6 branch, not clutter-0-6
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[03:09] <ajmitch> small but important difference
[03:12] <nxvl> slangasek: ping
[03:17] <slangasek> nxvl: hi
[03:17] <nxvl> slangasek: were are the bugs milestoned for beta?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> nxvl: u-d-a mailing list archives, ftw?
[03:18] <nxvl> Hobbsee: right
[03:18] <nxvl> slangasek: sorry about that
[03:18] <nxvl> :D
[03:18] <nixternal> shh, quit making so much noise
[03:19] <Hobbsee> !visternal | visternal
[03:20] <nixternal> yay, gimme some of that free money!
[04:23] <superm1> ScottK, i know nothing of the bluetooth experience on KDE
[04:23] <superm1> ScottK, i could help wtih a test case on gnome, but the kde one is more important right now as I don't think anyone has done anything there
[04:24] <ScottK> superm1: OK.  Well tell me what needs testing and I'll see what I can do.
[04:24] <superm1> ScottK, attempt to pair an input device and make sure it still works
[04:24] <superm1> ScottK, is there normally a KDE gui tool for doing such things?
[04:24] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:24] <ScottK> Unfortunately all I have to pair with is my phone and it doesn't qualify as an input device.
[04:25] <superm1> ScottK, well that's another use case worth testing though, sending a file to the phone
[04:25] <ScottK> I can do that one.
[04:25] <superm1> i'd actually expect some breakage there too possible since OBEX was a big change from BlueZ 3.x to 4.x
[04:26] <ScottK> superm1: Please send me an email with what needs tested and where to find the packages and I'll try to do it tomorrow.
[04:26] <superm1> ScottK, will do
[04:26] <superm1> ScottK, i might just send a generic call for testing to ubuntu-devel
[04:26] <ScottK> superm1: Send to kubuntu-devel too.
[04:26] <superm1> ScottK, okay will do
[04:26] <superm1> have a good evening then
[04:27] <maccam-sager> i heard that the intel eeprom corruption issue was fixed in git, is the kernel going to be rebuilt soon?
[04:27] <ScottK> Thanks.  Trying to get to bed soon ...
[04:28] <ScottK> maccam-sager: #ubuntu-kernel would be a better place to ask, but I'd say it's a safe bet they'll field that fix as soon as they consider it safe to do so.
[04:28] <maccam-sager> ScottK: ah gotcha. thanks for the info
[04:29] <StevenK> Bah, I was just about to answer him
[04:29] <RAOF> Oh, there is an answer? :)
[04:32] <StevenK> There is.
[04:32] <ScottK> And the answer is?
[04:33] <StevenK> From what I can, it's in unapproved, waiting for beta
[04:33] <StevenK> *can see
[04:48] <Elbrus> just to be sure: a binary-indep rule should not depend on a/the clean rule, right? At least in a PPA the binary-indep is build after binary-arch for i386 and the debian/files is removed by dh_clean removing the information about the binary-arch target...
[04:49]  * Elbrus still tries to build lazarus-ide for i386 in his PPA
[04:49] <RAOF> Elbrus: binary-indep depending on clean: would be utter crack.
[04:50] <RAOF> Or, rather, a translation into what that means is "In order to build the arch-independent package from our built source tree, we must first remove all the binaries we built".
[04:50] <Elbrus> RAOF: thought so, but the maintainer of lazarus does that to remove the build binaries from the tree to put the source in lazarus-src
[04:50] <RAOF> Intriguing.
[04:51] <StevenK> Argh
[04:51] <Elbrus> and I just don't get it to work properly
[04:51] <RAOF> Sorry, why is there a lazarus-src package which is distinct from lazarus.orig.tar.gz, then?
[04:51] <StevenK> Elbrus: If binary-indep is after binary-arch, reorder them in the binary target
[06:19] <rockstar> Hobbsee, I have a patch for the package if you'd like, and I can write a VERY descriptive summary of the problem and the solution.
[06:21] <Elbrus> \me finally succeeded in building PPA build of lazarus-ide on i386... thanks to StevenK.
[06:22]  * Elbrus finally succeeded in building PPA build of lazarus-ide on i386... thanks to StevenK.
[06:22] <Elbrus> :)
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <iulian> G'morning Daniel.
[06:58]  * iulian yawns!
[06:58] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[06:59] <iulian> How are you this morning?
[06:59] <dholbach> good good - how 'bout you?
[07:00] <iulian> I'm doing good too, preparing for school.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> rockstar: i try to avoid SRUs as much as possible.  But I would suggest adding that to the bug, so MOTU SRU can look at it ;)
[07:08] <geser> good morning dholbach
[07:09] <dholbach> hi geser
[07:19] <k00n> sorry, power cut
[07:21] <Koon> good morning everyone :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> heya Koon!
[07:49] <didrocks> hi everyone!
[07:51] <geser> apachelogger: Hi, could it be that libsmokeqt4-2-dev (kde4bindings) is missing a dependency on libsmokeqt4-2?
[07:51] <geser> Hi didrocks
[09:15] <huats> morning everyone
[09:30] <didrocks> hi huats :)
[09:30] <huats> hey didrocks
[09:30] <huats> :)
[10:39] <gnomefreak> anyone else having issues setting up gpg key in claws-mail and getting it to work?
[12:45] <sirex`> I'm trying to build binary package of php 5.2.6.
[12:46] <sirex`> I apt-get sourced current source package, then kopied debian derectory to new sources and when I try to run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot on new sources, I got errors about patches.
[12:47] <sirex`> Maybe some one knows how can I avoid it?
[12:47] <directhex> so turn off patches that are no longer needed
[12:47] <directhex> look in debian/patches/
[12:47] <sirex`> directhex: yes, I tried it, removed all patches, but still getting errors:
[12:47] <sirex`> Patch disable_dl_by_default.patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)
[12:49] <sirex`> directhex: any suggestions?
[12:49] <sirex`> How can I refresh patchas?
[12:49] <directhex> start again
[12:50] <directhex> and make sure you work on the patch manifest, if php's patchsys uses one (e.g. 00list for dpatch)
[12:50] <sirex`> Running that command again, gives same error.
[12:53] <sirex`> hm, now I getting this: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[12:55] <directhex> that's because you didn't start again properly
[12:56] <sirex`> directhex: so I should remove every thing and start again?
[12:56] <directhex> yes
[12:56] <directhex> i have to ask though... what ARE you doing?
[12:56] <directhex> intrepid already has php 5.2.6
[12:57] <sirex`> But now I'm using Hardy.
[12:57] <sirex`> Which has only 5.2.4
[12:57] <directhex> so build the intrepid package on hardy
[12:58] <sirex`> directhex: but how can I get intrepid source package on hardy?
[12:58] <directhex> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6-2ubuntu3.dsc
[12:58] <directhex> dget that.
[12:58] <sirex`> directhex: ah, ok, thanks.
[12:59] <highvoltage> sirex`: you could add a source-uri for hardy in your /etc/apt/sources.list file and then apt-get source it
[12:59] <highvoltage> for intrepid, I mean
[12:59] <directhex> you COULD, but it'd probably only lead to confusion in the future
[13:00] <directhex> and confusion is bad
[13:00] <sirex`> Well, I just need newes php version, so I will probably just dget sources from that link.
[13:04] <apachelogger> geser: looks like it, I will address the issue once beta freeze is lifted
[13:06] <slytherin> when is beta freeze supposed to be lifted?
[13:14] <Hobbsee> slytherin: after the beta release...
[13:15] <slytherin> Hobbsee: when is beta release then? I mean what exact time?
[13:15] <Hobbsee> slytherin: "when it's ready".  There is no exact time.
[13:17] <slytherin> Ok. Does beta freeze affect universe packages? Can I attach a debdiff for some bugfix and request for sponsorship?
[13:18]  * Hobbsee thought those questions, and many others, were answered in the beta freeze announcement, which can be found in hte ubuntu-devel-announce archives.
[13:19] <directhex> mailing lists. how debian!
 obviously PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT LISTENING! </theo>
[13:22] <siretart> anyone wants to try out some unstripped (read: mpeg2 encoder enabled) ffmpeg packages?
[13:22]  * siretart is considering uploading them to intrepid, depending on feedback
[13:24] <icf7> I'm packaging a C library. Its symbols (generated by dpkg-gensymbols) contain lots of internal stuff. Do I remove this stuff manually, let it stay or fix upstream(how?)?
[13:25] <siretart> icf7: best is to fix it upstream. non exported functions and variables should be declared static
[13:25] <siretart> icf7: for more complicated cases you probably need to write a linker script
[13:26] <stefanlsd> icf7: not sure if its what u need, but i wrote this and it may help - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stefanlsd/dpkg-gensymbols
[13:27]  * slytherin wonders why all the songs have suddenly started playing at more than normal speed >-(
[13:27] <icf7> siretart: these internal functions are scattered in a lot of helper files, therefore static would hide them from the other code files of the library too, wouldn't it?
[13:27] <slytherin> :-(
[13:28] <siretart> icf7: indeed. in that case, things get more complicated.
[13:29] <icf7> stefanlsd: Thanks. I read parts of it, but I'm now going to read it in-depth. Sorry for my ignorance, I'm used to Java
[13:30] <stefanlsd> icf7: may need some work also. its still very much a draft...
[13:37] <sirex`> /tmp/php/php5-5.2.6/ext/zip/lib/zip_close.c:252: internal compiler error: in adjust_add_sorted_back_dep, at sched-deps.c:1886
[13:38] <sirex`> Is this some thing wrong with code or this is something wrong with build system?
[13:40] <siretart> 'internal compiler error' is pretty clear, isn't it?
[13:42] <sirex`> siretart: no it isn't, actualy I don't understand this message.
[13:43] <sirex`> Does it means, that problem not with source, but with compiler?
[13:43] <siretart> the latter
[13:43] <siretart> err, yes
[13:44] <sirex`> Well, trying one more time, maybo this time it will finish succesfully.
[13:49] <icf7> siretart: As far as I understand, using a linker script is pretty complicated and not common. Is there any other way? How do popular libraries solve this (Don't they have any helper function files?)?
[13:50] <siretart> icf7: careful planning when designing a shared library helps pretty much here
[13:51] <siretart> icf7: you could also experiment with the default visibility flag of gcc. set the default to 'not visible', and mark public and exported functions as such.
[13:52] <icf7> siretart: Thanks, I'll try that
[13:52] <siretart> icf7: but this is again something that really should be done upstream, not in a debian package
[13:54] <icf7> siretart: ok. Is there any chance to get a package with a symbol like stack_create accepted without waiting for upstream? It's a pretty new and small project, I suppose it could take weeks to integrate that
[13:56] <siretart> icf7: not without effords less than comparable to forking upstream, I'd say.
[13:58] <icf7> siretart: Thanks, I'll take that into account
[14:16] <es> Anyone knows how to get the configure option used to build a deb? And what action dpkg-reconfigure do?
[14:17] <slytherin> es: You can download respective source package from repositories, extract the .diff.gz file and check debian/rules file for configure options.
[14:18] <slytherin> es: dpkg-reconfigure is not at all related to it. It helps you reconfigure the application already installed on your machine.
[14:20] <es> slytherin: thanks, about  dpkg-reconfigure I'd like to know what action is taken by a  particular package to manually run them stepby step
[14:21] <es> I'm in the need to try out latest version of sympa the version in the tree  it's old andnot working
[14:21] <slytherin> es: I don't understand
[14:22] <es> slytherin: sorry I reformulate. I wan't to know what dpkg-reconfigure will do toconfigure a package since I'll  have to install from source and I don't want to follow what dpkg-reconfigure normally do for it
[14:24] <slytherin> es: That do I think you can find in the source package in postinst file. But since you are installing from source dpkg-reconfigure won't come into picture unless you explicitely call it.
[14:29] <es> slytherin: thanks, however after apt-get source <package> I still don't see where are stored the configure option used to build
[14:30] <slytherin> es: go the directory that contains extracted source and then debian/rules file
[14:31] <es> slytherin: great thanks!
[14:39] <slytherin> Can anyone please tell me how to setup requestsync?
[14:40] <StevenK> What's to set up? You just run it.
[14:40] <slytherin> StevenK: I tried in past but the bug reports didn't show up on launchpad. So I usually manually copy all the content it creates.
[14:40] <Laney> slytherin: Do you use --lp?
[14:40] <slytherin> Laney: no
[14:41] <slytherin> doesn't it work without --lp?
[14:41] <Laney> It should do, but it uses the email interface then
[14:41] <Laney> --lp uses py-lp-bugs, which I've found to be more reliable
[14:41] <slytherin> Laney: which package contains py-lp-bugs?
[14:42] <slytherin> oops, it is already installed
[14:47] <slytherin> wow, --lp worked. :-)
[15:19] <morgs> I want to upload a package from debian into my PPA. I ran dpkg-source -x *.dsc, then debuild -S -sa - but debsign failed since I'm not the debian maintainer. What do I need to change to use my identity?
[15:19] <cody-somerville> morgs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:20] <directhex> is it worth getting a pet DD to sign my key?
[15:21] <morgs> cody-somerville: thanks
[15:31]  * RainCT is either going to kill himself or kill Samsung.. argh!!    xDD
[15:33] <huats> nxvl: around ?
[15:47] <norsetto> huats!
[15:47] <huats> norsetto: !
[15:47] <norsetto> gotcha ...
[15:48] <huats> I did it willingly
[15:48] <huats> since you seems a bit unhappy yesterday :)
[15:57] <slytherin> persia: can you please give back jhove - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/jhove/+builds Not sure why it picked up JAVA_HOME as openjdk directory even though it depends on sun-java5-jdk.
[16:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:04] <morgs> How do I upload a package (from debian) into my ppa for both hardy and intrepid?
[16:04]  * norsetto doesn't bow to super master bddebian
[16:05] <slytherin> morgs: launchpad allows copying a source package form one ubuntu release to another.
[16:05] <bddebian> Hrmph :)
[16:05] <morgs> slytherin: using +copy-packages? same as for copying from one ppa to another?
[16:06] <morgs> ah, nice.
[16:06] <morgs> Thanks
[16:06] <smagoun> maybe a dumb question, is there someplace I can search the full source of Ubuntu (Hardy)? For example I want to find the definition of xf86HandleColormaps(...), or I want to find the package that contains gdk_x11_drawable.c.
[16:07] <smagoun> (I don't need help finding these particular things - they're just examples)
[16:07] <slytherin> smagoun: what do you mean by full source?
[16:08] <azeem> unpacked source trees of all the source packages, maybe
[16:08] <smagoun> slytherin: like, all the source in Ubuntu. I could apt-get source every package then just run grep/find, but that sounds like lots of disk/lots of work
[16:08] <azeem> smagoun: the latter (finding files in packages) can be done via apt-file or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[16:08] <azeem> the former not
[16:09] <norsetto> devfil_: any luck with wxwidgets2.6 ?
[16:09] <slytherin> smagoun: I don't think there is any complete source cd anywhere. You can find which package contains particular files from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[16:10] <devfil_> norsetto: pochu is working on it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.6/+bug/274619 I've seen this bug and so I haven't looked at the code
[16:11] <norsetto> devfil_: ah yes
[16:12] <superm1> smagoun, use apt-file search to look for it
[16:12] <superm1> or packages.ubuntu.com has it
[16:12] <superm1> oh azeem already said that
[16:12] <superm1> my bad :)
[16:14] <norsetto> devfil_: that would have to be done for wxwidget2.8 too then
[16:15] <devfil_> norsetto: I prefer to see pochu fix firstly in order to do it also in wxwidgets2.8
[16:16] <norsetto> devfil_: yes, thats what I mean
[16:16] <smagoun> azeem slytherin superm1: Thanks all.
[16:16] <devfil_> norsetto: ok ;)
[16:30] <henux> Hello. I am an able Linux programmer with knowledge of computer languages. I am looking for a mentor for me as I would like to try contributing into Ubuntu.
[16:34] <slytherin> henux: it really depends on which are you want to contribute to.
[16:36] <henux> slytherin: i have no idea
[16:36] <henux> slytherin: im just looking for something
[16:36] <slytherin> henux: check the Contributing link in the topic.
[16:37]  * slytherin has to go.
[16:45] <henux> so this crap is truly what you call a mentorship program?
[16:45] <jdong> oh that's a great attitude :)
[16:45] <azeem> henux: I'm sure you can pay for better programs
[16:45] <persia> Bother.  slytherin left.
[16:46] <henux> in the web page there is a message explaining that everyone is given a mentor, then when i ask one you say "take this link, read it, knock yourself off, its fun, i gotta go, bye"
[16:46] <persia> Anyway, I'm not giving back jhove : it FTBFS because ant depends on "default-jre-headless | java1-runtime-headless | java2-runtime-headless", none of which is supplied by sun-java5-jdk, which is why it gets openjdk, and fails.
[16:46] <jdong> henux: umm... he took the time to answer your question, then had to leave for unrelated reasons.
[16:47] <jdong> the links he gave you help YOU figure out what area you'd like to contribute in
[16:47] <jdong> once you have a better idea of that, we can give you more applicable advice.
[16:47] <persia> henux: There is a mentoring program, to which you can sign up, and wait for a mentor to be assigned.  This may take a fairly long time.
[16:47] <henux> okay then i will come back here later and we will see about what comes
[16:48] <persia> henux: On the other hand, if you're interested in something specific, jump right in, and ask questions here, and a variety of people will help you.
[16:48] <henux> i will ask when there is a specific interest
[16:49] <jdong> henux: look forward to that :). Thanks for your interest in contributing!
[16:49] <henux> i joined the channel in the hopes that somebody could have given me pointers, and this one did, and i will read it so we may perhaps discuss about this later on
[17:03] <iulian> Hi
[17:05] <Allah> hi
[17:05] <es> it's there a way to build from source without a gpg key?
[17:09] <DktrKranz> es: debuild -uc -us
[17:09] <es> thanks
[17:21] <bfiller> general packaging question for anyone: does debian/postinst script get passed any args that it can determine whether the package is being installed for the first time or upgraded?
[17:21] <bfiller> I know preinst gets these args, but does not appear for postinst
[17:22] <bfiller> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html talked about "configure" and "abort-remove", but not sure about these
[17:25] <persia> bfiller: Heaps of them.  Best resource i know is http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts
[17:25] <bfiller> persia: great, thanks
[17:25] <persia> That has nice graphs and stuff, although is otherwise just a restatement of policy.
[17:26] <nxvl> huats: ping
[17:26] <geser> but it's probably easier to understand than the policy
[17:26] <huats> hey nxvl
[17:26] <huats> how are you ?
[17:27] <nxvl> good
[17:27] <nxvl> just come back home
[17:27] <huats> ok
[17:28] <huats> nxvl: regarding the mentoring reception meeting, any prefered time ?
[17:28] <huats> day ?
[17:28] <nxvl> i will prefer from Tue to Thu at 13:00 UTC
[17:29] <nxvl> actually from 13:00
[17:29] <bfiller> persia: looks like from the flowchart that only "configure" is passed to postinst on both install and upgrade (assuming no errors)
[17:30] <persia> bfiller: That's a dangerous assumption, but yes, the common case.
[17:30] <huats> nxvl: ok
[17:30] <huats> (I'll do my best...)
[17:31] <bfiller> persia: so how does the postinst script tell if it's being run during an upgrade as opposed to an install?
[17:31] <nxvl> huats: \o/
[17:32] <persia> bfiller: $2
[17:32] <persia> (it even knows whether it's being upgraded or downgraded, and by how much)
[17:33] <bfiller> persia: ah, $2 is the previous package version or null?
[17:33] <persia> bfiller: It is always the previous package version: null simply indicates the absence of a previous package :)
[17:33] <bfiller> persia: excellent, thanks for the help
[17:59] <ScottK> norsetto: Since you've got amd64 and that seems to be where the issues are, would you mind sorting through Bug 257403 and seeing what we need to do to update it?  Releasing with an old Flash is not a good plan.
[18:00] <directhex> agreed
[18:00] <norsetto> ScottK: I don't use flash myself, but what the guy is saying is that there is a lib missing in ia32-libs
[18:00] <directhex> rc2 is much much better
[18:00] <ScottK> norsetto: Right, but someone who understands this stuff and has amd64 needs to test it.  I've got no amd64.
[18:01] <directhex> oh, is he saying lubcurl is missing?
[18:01] <directhex> because that's true
[18:01]  * directhex checks bug
[18:01] <norsetto> ScottK: oh gosh, you want me to install something that I wouldn't touch with a pole 1 mt long?
[18:01] <ScottK> Just for testing.
[18:02] <ScottK> norsetto: We need someone with amd64 to do it.
[18:02] <norsetto> ScottK: I don't kno why \sh hasn't included that lib, and if that was on purpose
[18:02] <directhex> flash 10 definitely needs libcurl
[18:02] <ScottK> ping \sh ^^^^ ?
[18:02] <ScottK> We'll see what he has to say then.
[18:04] <directhex> wait, hang on... it certainly USED to...
[18:05] <norsetto> ScottK: hmm, I don't think that omission was on purpose, there is no mention of that lib being needed in bug 246911
[18:18] <norsetto> ScottK: this is funny, I don't understand why libgnutls is not picked up by shlibs for libnss-ldap
[18:20] <ScottK> norsetto: I have no idea what the right answer is, but I'm pretty sure you'll have a better shot than me and we (somehow) need to get this sorted before release.
[18:21] <norsetto> ScottK: it is required anyhow, ldd clearly shows it for the stock one
[18:22] <norsetto> ScottK: oh well, what would happen to include that in ia32-libs, beside yet another one that we 64 bit users have to live with?
[18:22] <norsetto> (for the sake of flash, of all things ....)
[18:22] <ScottK> I think it's better to add stuff and be sure than not.
[18:25] <norsetto> ScottK: right, so, I'd rather have \sh look into it since he did the last update, or at least talk with him before I can upload an updated ia32-libs with that myself
[18:26] <ScottK> OK.  We just need to make sure we don't forget it before release.
[18:27] <norsetto> ScottK: np, I'm subscribing to that bug
[18:27] <ScottK> Great.
[18:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:29] <norsetto> ScottK: np
[19:46] <kirkland> DktrKranz: hey, i was trying to fix a trivial manpage bug in kmediafactory, but I can't get it to build for intrepid, depends on libdvdread3-dev, which doesn't exist
[19:48] <DktrKranz> kirkland, did you notice issues with newer libdvdread-dev?
[19:48] <kirkland> DktrKranz: i couldn't get it to build at all in intrepid
[19:48] <DktrKranz> do you have buildlogs available?
[19:48] <kirkland> DktrKranz: checking the build logs, i see that it's not built thus far in intrepid
[19:49] <kirkland> DktrKranz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmediafactory/+bug/277200
[19:49] <kirkland> DktrKranz: that has the tail of the build log, just the error
[19:49] <kirkland> DktrKranz: i can rebuild again, and capture the build log
[19:49] <DktrKranz> oh... API change
[19:51] <DktrKranz> kirkland, seems something similar to http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-July/032901.html
[19:51] <kirkland> DktrKranz: hrm
[19:54] <DktrKranz> kirkland, try passing -fno-inline to CFLAGS, just to see it it builds
[19:54] <DktrKranz> but it's definitely ugly
[19:58] <kirkland> DktrKranz: rebuilding....
[20:09] <kirkland> DktrKranz: no luck
[20:14] <DktrKranz> kirkland, I'm leaving for a couple of hours, I'll have a look later
[20:14] <kirkland> DktrKranz: no problem, very, very low priority, as far as i'm concerned
[20:15] <kirkland> DktrKranz: i was just trying to fix a misplaced manpage
[20:18] <asomething> james_w: thanks for the uploads!
[20:18] <james_w> asomething: thanks for the fixes!
[20:19]  * ScottK notes that asomething has an UCD application pending and now that james_w is one of his sponsors, he may want to comment.
[20:20] <james_w> ScottK: ah, thanks
[20:20] <james_w> asomething: drop me links to the bugs that I just sponsored in PM and I'll comment
[20:20] <ScottK> james_w: No problem.
[20:20] <asomething> ScottK: thanks, my app has seemed to have stalled, i could use a little positive feedback =)
[20:21] <asomething>  james_w: will do
[20:21] <ScottK> asomething: Yes, I'd noticed.  Hopefully this will help.
[20:21] <james_w> oh, in fact it's a UCD application
[20:21] <james_w> asomething: forget the bugs
[20:22] <james_w> I need to eat first though
[20:22] <ScottK> Didn't I say UCD?
[20:22] <james_w> you did, I'm just low on calories
[20:22] <ScottK> Ah.  Fair enough.
[20:37] <sebner> kirkland: still around?
[20:41] <kirkland> sebner: hi
[20:42] <sebner> kirkland: hi, do you still plan to do something with bug #243205 ?
[20:42] <kirkland> sebner: yeah, i'll fix it
[20:42] <kirkland> sebner: unless you want it :-)
[20:43] <sebner> kirkland: not if you want ;) at least anyone of us should do it ^^
[20:43] <kirkland> sebner: i need to update the patch
[20:43] <kirkland> sebner: i'll do that and upload tonight
[20:43] <sebner> kirkland: great :)
[20:44] <kirkland> sebner: thx for the reminder
[20:44]  * sebner hugs kirkland :)
[21:03] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I received an email saying that kdenlive didn't build correctly on hppa (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18102379/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.kdenlive_0.5.svn20071228-0.0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz). I think that's because missing packages, that don't built on hppa, but can someone confirm that? Thanks
[21:05] <persia> fabrice_sp: I think you want to port to kdelibs5-dev, as I don't think kdelibs4-dev works properly anymore, but I'm not much of a KDE person.
[21:07] <persia> fabrice_sp: I think the libmlt issue is hppa-only: you might see if you can figure out how to get that built for hppa.
[21:07] <ScottK> Actually kdelibs4-dev is still mostly around.
[21:07] <fabrice_sp> persia: this package build successfully on all arch, except hppa, so you think that it could be because of kdelibs4-dev?
[21:07] <fabrice_sp> I'll check anyway
[21:07] <persia> fabrice_sp: Not any more.  If ScottK says it's around, then it's around.
[21:08] <persia> On the other hand, there's something broken for hppa for that package, which probably needs to be fixed.
[21:08] <ScottK> Since it's an installability problem it's almost certainly something didn't build on hppa.
[21:09] <fabrice_sp> Where can I check the package build status for hppa? I've not been able to find it in the source package page
[21:10] <fabrice_sp> (for the missing packages)
[21:12] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: kdelibs build for hppa: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10-0ubuntu5/+build/714435
[21:12] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Do you have hppa hardware?
[21:14] <fabrice_sp> thanks ScottK: I'll check if kdelibs4c2a is there (if the build is ok, it should be the case)
[21:14] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Check and see if it's actually installable or not.
[21:14] <fabrice_sp> ok
[21:23] <fabrice_sp> ScottK: The build is successful, and the package is listed in the build log. How do I check if it's installable or not? (I can't find hppa in the general repository)
[21:24] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: If you're on hppa, just install it.
[21:25] <fabrice_sp> ScottK: I'm on i386 (not even amd64 :-/ ). Should I install a VM for that?
[21:29] <ScottK> It's hard to test hppa installability without hppa.  You might ask NCommander to check.  IIRC he has access to hppa hardwar.
[21:29] <ScottK> e.
[21:29] <NCommander> ew, wait?
[21:29] <NCommander> argh
[21:29]  * NCommander runs
[21:29] <fabrice_sp> lol
[21:29] <NCommander> damn you HP, you made me the victum of more work by granting my HPPA request
[21:30] <NCommander> What package do you need to test installability of on HPPA?
[21:30] <ScottK> kdelibs4c2a
[21:31] <fabrice_sp> NCommander: it's just a matter of checking that packages kdelibs4c2a, libopenexr-dev, libmlt++0.2.5 and libmlt0.2.5
[21:31] <fabrice_sp> (according to build log of kdenlive: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18102379/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.kdenlive_0.5.svn20071228-0.0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[21:32] <fabrice_sp> are installable
[21:32]  * NCommander checks
[21:33] <NCommander> Testing installability
[21:34]  * fabrice_sp waves NCommander
[21:35] <NCommander> HPPA is evil
[21:35] <NCommander> hold on, had to enable universe
[21:36] <NCommander> fabrice_sp, not installable
[21:37] <NCommander>   kdelibs4c2a: Depends: libopenexr2ldbl (>= 1.2.2) which is a virtual package.
[21:37] <NCommander>   libglib2.0-data: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.1-1) but 2.17.3-1ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[21:38] <ScottK> Looks like most of KDE Is currently uninstallable on hppa: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/intrepid_probs.html
[21:39] <fabrice_sp> NCommander: Thanks for the test. As KDE seems to be uninstallable on hppa, I won't worry about that.
[21:39] <fabrice_sp> ScottK: Thanks also for the link
[21:39] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Or you could help fix it.
[21:40] <NCommander> \p/
[21:40] <fabrice_sp> ScottK: I'll try, but as I don't have a hppa, it will be difficult to follow the build dependencies.
[21:41] <fabrice_sp> but with the link you sent, it will be easier
[21:43] <ScottK> NCommander: OK, Mr. FTBFS, what's your diagnosis: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18079762/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.glib2.0_2.18.1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:43] <sebner> ScottK: we two need a FTBFS hero, hmm? :)
[21:44] <ScottK> sebner: Go for it.
[21:44] <NCommander> You have an infinite loop :-)
[21:44] <sebner> ScottK: hmm? ^^
[21:44] <NCommander> or something equivelent
[21:44]  * directhex hands NCommander cake
[21:45] <NCommander> ScottK & directhex, can I ask you to look over my wiki page?
[21:45] <directhex> NCommander, up to 8700 users of my mono repo \o/
[21:45] <directhex> NCommander, sure
[21:45] <NCommander> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelCasadevall#preview
[21:45] <sebner> directhex: O_o
[21:45] <NCommander> o_o;
[21:45] <ScottK> NCommander: You can ask.
[21:45] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:45]  * NCommander throws his RS/6000 at ScottK
[21:45] <sebner> let's make a "Ask ScottK session"
[21:46] <NCommander> The RS/6000 goes klunk. The ScottK's foot is injuried! He curses loudly!
[21:46] <ScottK> Cursing loudly is pretty normal for me.
[21:46] <sebner> lol
[21:47] <directhex> sebner, that's for i386 and amd64 combined
[21:47] <sebner> directhex: /me is still impressed
[21:47] <directhex> exact numbers on http://directhex.mfgames.com/hardy.html
[21:48] <sebner> directhex: O_o enemy of getdeb? ^^
[21:48] <NCommander> I think the day I go apt-get remove nethack, it will be a good thing
[21:50] <directhex> sebner, not per se, i just wanted a small focused repo. i don't really see getdeb as the right place for "major frameworks"
[21:51] <directhex> sebner, still, 8700 people can't be wrong... right?
[21:51] <sebner> directhex: ^^, sure but you also have normal apps (ok, mono related but nvm)
[21:52] <directhex> sebner, the only "app" app is tangerine, which is patched with some patches i wrote. they've been added to pkg-cli-apps svn now though, so i can start syncing the jaunty package once it exists
[21:52] <sebner> directhex: kk, \o/ sync \o/
[21:53]  * sebner loves syncs ^^
[21:53] <ScottK> NCommander: You need some insure/ensure I think in there.
[21:53] <directhex> sebner, i've been working on making mono syncable for jaunty, which will be nice
[21:53]  * NCommander super-hugs didrocks
[21:53] <NCommander> ...
[21:53] <NCommander> damn it
[21:53] <NCommander> directhex,
[21:53] <ScottK> NCommander: Also you need to fix glib2.0 on hppa is you want to live up to your claims.
[21:53] <ScottK> is/if
[21:54] <NCommander> You don't ask little things do you :-P
[21:54] <sebner> directhex: really? syncable? GREAT. mono and sync? I love you :D
[21:54] <directhex> sebner, there's one remaining "real" merge reason, which i'm working on with upstream
[21:55] <ScottK> NCommander: Other than that, I think it looks good.
[21:55] <directhex> sebner, the "symlinked doc dirs" one i want to drop - the disk space rise will be MORE than offset by the mono 2.0 package transition savings
[21:55] <sebner> directhex: \o/ \o/ \o/
[21:56] <directhex> sebner, mono20transition should save 10-20 meg or so on the jaunty cd
[21:57] <sebner> directhex: sounds great :) /me uses trunk though ^^
[21:57] <directhex> sebner, well i obviously can't help (or support) that
[21:59] <sebner> directhex: ^^, kk. But I really appreciate your work with mono(-related) stuff :)
[21:59] <directhex> sebner, meebey's the real brains, i'm just a contributor
[22:00] <directhex> sebner, but i like to think of myself as the force behind keeping mono on ubuntu in good shape
[22:00] <sebner> directhex: that's what I mean ;)
[22:01] <directhex> and i try where i can to make those improvements using "svn ci" in pkg-mono and pkg-cli-apps
[22:02]  * sebner hugs directhex :)
[22:08] <NCommander> directhex, any comments of my wiki page
[22:08] <directhex> NCommander, needs pictures!
[22:08] <cody-somerville> Oops
[22:08] <cody-somerville> I just accidentally deleted it.
[22:08] <sebner> gn8 folks :)
[22:08] <NCommander> o_O;
[22:08] <NCommander> what did you accidently delete
[23:29] <radix> hey, what's the best channel for general Ubuntu packaging help?
[23:29] <leleobhz> here?
[23:30] <leleobhz> #ubuntu-devel maybe
[23:30] <radix> welp, ok :-)
[23:30] <persia> No.  Here.
[23:31] <radix> I'm not a MOTU or core-dev, but I'm trying to package some stuff that I'll publish in a PPA
[23:31] <mathiaz> radix: here is the best place
[23:31] <radix> thanks :-)
[23:31] <persia> radix: Then you'll get limited help, but still some, and this is the closest to the right place you'll find.
[23:31] <leleobhz> radix: this dont matter :]
[23:31] <leleobhz> matter you attempt to devel under/for ubuntu :]
[23:32] <leleobhz> radix: what is?
[23:32] <radix> I'm making some new packages for some existing software, and I've built lots of packages before, but I'm getting an "cannot represent change to .bzr/blahblah"
[23:32] <persia> radix: debuild -I -i
[23:32] <radix> and I've built other packages from bzr branches, so I'm not sure what I'm doing different now
[23:32]  * radix reads manpage for those options
[23:33] <mathiaz> radix: I've this line to ~/.devscripts DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i -I.bzr -I.svn -ICVS -k0x${GPGKEY}"
[23:33] <radix> I wonder why I never had to do that
[23:33] <mathiaz> radix: so that whenever I build a source package .bzr .svn and CVS are not included.
[23:34] <persia> mathiaz: Most of that is hardcoded into the scripts anyway: you only need -i -I
[23:35] <persia> mathiaz: Also, you really don't want -k unless you're sponsoring : it will bite you on a changelog entry eventually.
[23:35] <radix> ok, welp, it worked
[23:35] <mathiaz> persia: -k -> howc come ?
[23:36] <persia> mathiaz: -k is to sponsor an upload.  If you need it normally, either your debian/changelog entry is wrong, or your key is misconfigured.
[23:36] <persia> It also *always* signs the packages, so if you have a mistake with your changelog entry, it signs the package anyway, without any warning.
[23:37] <mathiaz> persia: hm - I usually debuild -S -uc -us
[23:37] <persia> If, for some reason, your DEBEMAIL isn't set when you run dch, this may result in unexpected values in the package changelog.
[23:37] <mathiaz> persia: and then sbuild _sources.changes.
[23:37] <ajmitch> like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[23:37] <persia> mathiaz: How do you upload?
[23:38] <mathiaz> persia: via dput
[23:38] <persia> ajmitch: Well, that one got sponsored by someone, but yes :)
[23:38] <mathiaz> persia: dput local _source.changes.
[23:38] <persia> mathiaz: OK.  When do the packages get signed?
[23:38] <mathiaz> persia: but true then I have to sign them.
[23:38] <mathiaz> persia: right - I sign the _sources.changes and dsc on a different machine.
[23:38] <slangasek> I set -k consistently; there's no reason I would not have my environment right when running dch, and it saves history completion hassle
[23:38] <persia> Right.  If you're signing them separately from building source, -k is not only dangerous, but wrong.
[23:38] <persia> s/wrong/useless/
[23:39] <persia> slangasek: Ah.  I sometimes build source in chroots when the dependencies for debian/rules clean are onerous.
[23:39] <slangasek> persia: I frequently build source in chroots; my chroots mount /home :)
[23:40] <persia> My chroots mount home, but don't preserve my environment (so I lose DEBEMAIL, etc.).  This is somewhat intentional, as I don't pass the environment preservation flag.
[23:41] <slangasek> oh, well, I don't preserve my environment, it's just re-sourced from ~ when chrooting
[23:41] <persia> Hrm.  Most of my environment doesn't get resourced.  Perhaps I'm keeping things in a different place.


[03:14] <daftykins> diddledan: i won! the email has been changed \o/
[07:24] <diplo> Morning all
[07:35] <OERIAS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CyPjQQTAM
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:18] <Myrtti> moin bigcalm
[08:19] <bigcalm> Happy belated birthday, Myrtti :)
[08:19] <DJones> Maybe the wrong channel to ask in (computer people don't always have a good reputation for doing excercise) Anybody know a great deal about home multigyms? Looking at two & wondered if anybody can see any obvious differences that one is better than the other
[08:19] <Myrtti> bigcalm: thanks :-D
[08:20] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I thought you were a bit younger than FB tells me. So, well done on that ;)
[08:20] <Myrtti> no, I'm about two weeks younger than Harry Potter :-P
[08:20] <Myrtti> that old git
[08:20] <bigcalm> Hah
[08:22]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[08:22] <bigcalm> Daniel Radcliffe is 25
[08:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:24] <Myrtti> bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_%28character%29
[08:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: good point, I didn't think about when the character may have been 'born'
[08:27] <bigcalm> I would like to read the books. But having watched the films, I fear that the written word won't be as magical
[08:28] <Myrtti> I don't have big issues with the books vs. movies
[08:28] <Myrtti> I listened to the books first before seeing the films, and I didn't have huge issues with the films
[08:28] <bigcalm> Ooo, audio books
[08:28] <bigcalm> Abridged?
[08:28] <Myrtti> you can tell which bits have been omitted, but there isn't that much that was lost
[08:28] <Myrtti> oh no, unabridged.
[08:29] <bigcalm> Great
[08:29] <Myrtti> by Stephen Fry
[08:29] <bigcalm> I wonder if they are on Spotify
[08:29] <bigcalm> Humm, maybe not
[08:52] <popey> What an _excellent_ morning
[08:55] <Myrtti> popey: _excellent_ or *excellent*?
[08:55] <Laney> /excellent/
[08:57] <popey> -excellent-
[08:58] <popey> Anyone know a good technical writer looking for work?
[09:01] <Myrtti> I'm trying to gauge the sarcasm
[09:02] <Myrtti> so was it sarcastically excellent, or genuinely excellent
[09:02] <popey> well. i successfully did some python/postgres/shell stuff which I haven't touched for a while, and that was fun
[09:03] <popey> worked till late yesterday to make it work, and this morning made and proposed a merge for it
[09:03] <popey> so yeah, thats good. just need to get it deployed
[09:19] <foobarry> why do i always wake up exhausted on my day off?
[09:20] <foobarry> day with the kids and my muscles are not working  toda
[09:20] <Myrtti> I wake up exhausted every day
[09:21] <foobarry> me too but especially bad on weekends
[09:21] <foobarry> and after chinese food
[09:21] <popey> ooh
[09:21] <popey> i know what I'm having for lunch, thanks foobarry
[09:22] <foobarry> leftovers?
[09:22] <foobarry> my wife had them for breakfast
[09:22] <foobarry> which is so wrong
[09:22] <popey> no, there's a chinese near here that does a lunch pack
[09:23] <popey> McChina Wok Away
[09:23] <foobarry> special fried rice with everything in
[09:23] <foobarry> i went to my local who i've gone to for 25 years
[09:24] <foobarry> she was asking about my brother who doesn't look much like me but she thinks we look the same
[09:24] <foobarry> then she said, your family always order chicken chop suey.
[09:24] <foobarry> i thought everyone always ordered it?
[09:25] <Laney> that's a takeaway-customer confidentiality violation
[09:25] <Laney> DISGUSTING
[09:25] <foobarry> is true though, i don't think there has ever been a foobarry family member who didn't order number 36 as part of a meal in 25 years
[09:25] <foobarry> my mum goes there too, and so did my dad
[09:26] <foobarry> and my sis
[09:26] <foobarry> so good business from them
[09:28] <popey> i have never ordered chicken chop suey
[09:28] <foobarry> :o
[09:28] <foobarry> :ooooooooo
[09:29] <foobarry> mind you, it varies from place to place. my local does the best i ever tasted
[09:29] <foobarry> and comes with a tomatoey sauce
[09:29] <foobarry> and their kitchen is on full view so you can see him cook it
[09:29] <Myrtti> we always do chicken and sweet corn soup. It's nice to dip the prawn crackers to
[09:29] <foobarry> http://www.buzzfeed.com/danieldalton/welcome-to-jurassic-park
[09:29] <foobarry> the "ghost ones" are wird
[09:29] <popey> we usually have duck+pancakes, and often szechuan spicy beef and probably lemon chicken.
[09:29] <foobarry> weird.
[09:30] <foobarry> sorry for buzzfeed link :P
[09:30] <popey> ooo, i haven't had chicken & sweet corn soup for years, could do with that
[09:32] <foobarry> if i ever have a last meal, it might be kung po chicken. since i can't eat that any more :(
[09:33] <popey> ooh not had that for a while either
[09:33] <popey> dammit, lunchtime needs to hurry up
[09:33] <popey> omg, i can order online
[09:33] <popey> This. Changes. Everything.
[09:37] <OERIAS> I just ran out of toilet paper!
[09:42] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:47] <popey> http://blog.highfivehq.com/posts/a-little-known-hack-from-japan-to-get-your-notebook-organized  gosh
[09:48] <bigcalm> Wow, cool
[10:07] <smittix> \o/
[10:14] <bigcalm> I know this is only day 2, and I've already raved about it, but I can't get over how much of a wonderful difference a decent keyboard is making. My hands are not getting tired and I'm typing more quickly.
[10:19] <bigcalm> I'm confused by the media keys on my new keyboard
[10:20] <bigcalm> In Keyboard Shortcuts, Sound and Media, I can set the various controls by pressing the media keys on the kb. But then using them doesn't do anything
[10:21] <bigcalm> So the Keyboard settings system is registering that I'm pressing the media keys. But then the media keys don't do anything
[10:22] <bigcalm> If I do something like shift+f8, that registers and works. But Fn+F1 doesn't
[10:24] <directhex> which keyboard?
[10:26] <directhex> i have a new keyboard arriving in a couple of hours
[10:29] <bigcalm> directhex: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00F1DOUXY
[10:30] <directhex> i too am getting an mx brown based keyboard
[10:30] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:30] <directhex> personally i think the pricing on Das is excessive, for what you get
[10:30] <bigcalm> I am in love with these switches
[10:31] <bigcalm> Maybe so. I'll be happy if they kb lasts for several years
[10:31] <directhex> nerds are a much smaller niche than gamers. for some market segments, the size of the gamer market massively lowers the baseline price. this includes mechanical keyboards
[10:31] <directhex> i'm paying the same money for a keyboard with the same switches... with backlit keys, and an aluminium design rather than plastic
[10:34] <bigcalm> Ah well :)
[10:35] <directhex> mostly i went with colour coordination :p
[10:35] <Laney> I'd pay /not/ to have backlit keys
[10:35]  * Laney shivers
[10:37] <bigcalm> Yeah, for me that's just something to go wrong
[10:37] <bigcalm> It's a feature that is sometimes handy on my laptop. But I don't have a need for it at my workstation
[10:39] <OERIAS> Aah shit! some asshole smeared his seat on the toilet!
[10:40] <bigcalm> !ohmy | OERIAS
[10:41] <bigcalm> That factoid has changed :S
[10:41] <OERIAS> bigcalm, I will speak in calm language
[10:41] <OERIAS> sorry
[10:42] <popey> OERIAS: you pulled the same "gag" in #ubuntu. Don't do it here. Find somewhere else to be childish.
[10:43] <OERIAS> okay i promise to moderate my language.
[10:43] <popey> !guidelines | OERIAS
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: oh that is a nice trick with the notepads
[12:01] <foobarry> does anyone find their chromecast shows colours too saturated and a bit dark?
[12:01] <foobarry> not sure how to fix, since watching normal telly is OK so i don't want change the brightness etc...unless it remembers settings per source?
[12:01] <foobarry> it=TV
[12:05] <popey> nope
[12:17] <foobarry> hmm
[12:17] <foobarry> colours are far too saturated
[12:17] <smittix> foobarry: what are you casting from?
[12:19] <foobarry> the youtube site on my laptop
[12:20] <foobarry> which means that the cc streams direct from youtube
[12:41] <smittix> ah
[12:42] <smittix> I need to find a decent DLNA media player
[12:42] <smittix> Something that I lets me watch videso from my NAS on my tv
[12:42] <foobarry> i am using plex + CC
[12:42] <smittix> That works then?
[12:43] <foobarry> yes
[12:43] <smittix> oh right
[12:43] <smittix> I will do that then.
[12:43] <foobarry> what's ur nas
[12:43] <smittix> WD My Cloud
[12:43] <foobarry> can u install plex server on it?
[12:43] <smittix> not sure
[12:43] <smittix> I'll check
[12:45] <smittix> Bah doesn't look possible
[12:46] <foobarry> buy a cheapo media player that u can connect the nas to?
[12:49] <smittix> Yeah just looking now.
[12:50] <smittix> http://web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=7909
[12:50] <smittix> Looks ok
[12:55] <shauno> way, way OT, but does anyone know the legalities of working remotely for a US corp?
[12:59] <directhex> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[12:59] <popey> I can haz kung po chicken ☻
[12:59] <directhex> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[12:59] <directhex> hm
[13:00] <popey> yeah, i started using plex, works brilliantly to cast to cc
[13:00] <directhex> i definitely feel a bit more resistance than on my wife's keyboard, but i don';t think i type with enough delicacy to really notice the tactile feel
[13:06] <Myrtti> cc?
[13:06] <Myrtti> chromecast.
[13:15] <popey> ya
[13:15] <popey> ended up re-watching Adjustment Beureau
[13:15] <popey> -typos
[13:21] <Myrtti> uh
[13:21] <Myrtti> my sister's cat sat on my laptop and managed to change something in the settings so that the only thing that is on normal brightness setting is the top bar
[13:21] <Myrtti> any ideas what went wrong?
[13:21] <Myrtti> or should I just reboot and hope for the best?
[13:26] <Myrtti> ah-ha
[13:26] <Myrtti> they managed to press F9 and put my Unity into Widget mode
[13:30] <popey> i have no idea what widget mode is ☻
[13:30] <Myrtti> popey: sticky notes and stuff like on Mac
[13:30] <popey> oh
[13:30] <popey> neat
[13:31] <Myrtti> assuming you've got an app that does widgets
[13:52] <Myrtti> bah. Stupid CoolComponents
[13:53] <Myrtti> why can't my RoyalMail tracking number actually show something
[14:07] <smittix> What's the best way to install Oracles Java in 14.04?
[14:10] <ujjain> I paid £10 to charity. They will receive £12,50, because I'm a UK tax payer, roight?
[14:12] <Laney> if you asked to use Gift Aid when you donated
[14:12] <Laney> otherwise you can contact them and they can claim it retrospectively
[14:30] <popey> smittix: define "best" ?
[14:45] <smittix> popey: For some reason I cannot get java to work with chrome
[14:45] <smittix> Trying to access an online device that requires java. I've installed J7 and it doesn't seem to work.
[15:37] <diddledan_> ubuntu touch is suddenly much more responsive on my maguro (galaxy-nexus) after a reflash with a utopic-daily-touch-preinstalled.img from a day or so ago - it's actually almost usable now - I'm thinking the slowness inherent in the device is something to do with IO maybe
[15:38] <diddledan_> I need to install iotop to check that theory
[15:39] <diddledan_> in other news: morning fellas :-)
[15:58] <popey> blimey, surprised it works on galaxy nexus
[15:58] <diddledan_> popey, it's partially a custo-job - I compiled the androidy bits myself and used the ubuntu bits from the pre-compiled download
[15:59] <popey> nice!
[15:59] <popey> is there an image you could make available?
[16:00] <diddledan_> I flashed using rootstock which doesn't make a nice image first but does everything on the device. Is there a howto for building a redistributable image anyplace?
[16:05] <daftykins> diddledan_: i wonder if TRIM on the NAND being available or not could have an impact?
[16:05] <diddledan_> daftykins, good thinking
[16:05] <diddledan_> IIRC TRIM was an issue on the GNex?
[16:06] <daftykins> i think it's attributed to all smartphones performance degradation when they've never been updated to android 4.3+ or simply never had it
[16:11]  * diddledan_ runs fstrim on it
[16:12] <daftykins> http://anandtech.com/show/8327/browser-faceoff-battery-life-explored-2014
[16:13] <daftykins> interesting article
[16:16] <diddledan_> hmm, unity8-dash is using a ton of ram - nearly 240MB
[16:20] <popey> colour me unsurprised
[16:22] <diddledan_> using over 256MB of swap on there in total now
[16:24] <diddledan_> I think the slowness can possibly be chalked up to just swapping
[16:55] <mapps> goijhow on earth have i amassed all the bad habbits
[16:55] <diddledan_> all of them?
[16:55] <diddledan_> that's a lot of bad habbits
[16:56] <arsen> anyone carry around a 15" mbp/retina? i want some case ideas for mine :(
[16:58] <mapps> whats that
[16:58] <daftykins> macbook pro
[16:58] <daftykins> arsen: ah-ha, back to the premium system eh ;)
[17:01] <arsen> hihi :)
[17:02] <arsen> yeah, brand new thin 15
[17:02] <arsen> :D
[17:02] <arsen> i7/16gig/500gig ssd
[17:02] <mapps> :D
[17:02] <mapps> nice
[17:02] <mapps> i want 17inch tho thats why i dont buy one
[17:03] <arsen> kinda wanted to at least be able to carry this
[17:03] <arsen> but needs to power two thunderbolt displays
[17:05] <diddledan_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzD01Hu1nPs :-D
[17:07] <daftykins> 17 >_<
[17:07] <mapps> carry where
[17:07] <arsen> home/office, flights/business travel
[17:07] <diddledan_> hmm, chromium done hung
[17:10] <arsen> i may actually flip to a 13'mbp but tbd.
[17:20] <mapps> argh
[17:20] <mapps> i cant find my cigarettes
[17:20] <mapps> :(
[17:20] <mapps> nearest shop is 20min walk
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> no better time to quit then
[17:21] <DJones> mapps: Thats a hint, give up
[17:21] <DJones> Heh MS updates bring about BSOD http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/08/14/1713227/microsoft-black-tuesday-patches-bring-blue-screens-of-death?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> heh oops
[17:23] <daftykins> not the first time and certainly won't be the last
[17:23] <diddledan_> is it cyber-wednesday the day after black tuesday?
[17:23] <daftykins> all my ones i'm responsible for are fine
[17:23] <daftykins> of course, i keep hearing about bricked updates in #ubuntu ...
[17:24] <diddledan_> I've never heard patch-tuesday referred to as "black tuesday"
[17:24] <daftykins> nah, nor i
[17:25] <diddledan_> and actually perpetuating that idea (black) suggests to the layman that it's a bad thing
[17:25] <diddledan_> patching is good for security people, I don't care what OS you're on, as long as you patch it up the wazoo
[17:25] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:26] <diddledan_> IE8 is going to stay around until 2016 according to microsoft :-(
[17:26] <diddledan_> that sucks
[17:27] <daftykins> nice that they're piling on the pressure though
[17:27] <diddledan_> at least with XP's retirement I can finally have an argument with clients over IE6 and 7
[17:27] <daftykins> this 'disabling outdated java plugins' is a nice one too
[17:27] <arsen> maybe i'll just get a sleeve until i decide
[17:27] <arsen> i like the booq mamba slim bag but its $$$$$$
[17:28] <daftykins> if this 64GB Oneplus One i ordered ever turns up i'll be on the case dilemma bandwagon
[17:28] <diddledan_> ooh
[17:28] <Azelphur> daftykins: got a oneplus? nice
[17:28] <diddledan_> you went for one of those, eh?
[17:29] <diddledan_> I'm not sure I could do without google-mind-control
[17:29] <daftykins> Azelphur: well i got an invite, it explicitly said they don't ship to Guernsey =| as is becoming the new norm
[17:29] <diddledan_> ffs
[17:29] <diddledan_> why?
[17:29] <daftykins> so i ordered to Guernsey, UK :D
[17:29] <diddledan_> lol
[17:30] <daftykins> so it *might* be shipped, i can't really tell
[17:30] <Azelphur> daftykins: haha
[17:30] <daftykins> i really don't know why they refuse us, it's really quite frustrating
[17:30] <diddledan_> I don't get what reasoning companies have for excluding the Channel Islands
[17:30] <daftykins> could be something to do with Google telling them 'don't sell android devices to these places where we refuse to deal with VAT deduction'
[17:30] <diddledan_> yeah, jink
[17:30] <diddledan_> jinx
[17:31] <daftykins> 'cause i think as i may have mentioned to you guys before, Google's Play store doesn't let us buy apps or media
[17:31] <diddledan_> that sucks
[17:32] <daftykins> ooh i got the replacement WD 2TB Re (enterprise) disk to replace the 6th of an array of 8 in my clients file server today
[17:32] <daftykins> 6 of 8 WD2002FYPS' have now died, at varying intervals during their 5 year warranty
[17:32] <diddledan_> \o/
[17:33] <daftykins> with any luck the last two will pop within the next 200 days to remain in-warranty :D
[17:34] <diddledan_> that's quite handy - it would be less so if it was a personal system without any redundancy/backup
[17:36] <daftykins> well, the films on it are his DVD collection all ripped 1:1
[17:36] <daftykins> for the various XBMC HTPCs i have setup around the house
[17:36] <diddledan_> hehe
[17:36] <daftykins> so those aren't getting backed up, but the important data is
[17:36] <diddledan_> nice setup
[17:37] <diddledan_> it's still a RAID array tho, so a single drive isn't going to lose the data
[17:37] <daftykins> he has asked about backing it up, so what i said was when the warranty on these end, we'll get another set of disks and use that set as a copy
[17:37] <daftykins> yep, double parity mode 6 too so it needs 3+ failures at once
[17:59] <mapps> ugh
[17:59] <mapps> the net still sucks on trai ns
[17:59] <mapps> theyu always say theyre improving it..yea sure
[17:59] <mapps> total toilet
[18:00] <Azelphur> I just tether everywhere
[18:01] <daftykins> it's these little times free from connection that you should enjoy :)
[18:02] <directhex> the wifi on trains is provided by 3g, so if the 3g reception sucks, so does the wifi
[18:03] <Azelphur> directhex: except it's probably congested
[18:03] <Azelphur> my phone is my connection with no caps \o/
[18:03] <directhex> i'm on orange, i have no bandwidth
[18:03] <mapps> pfff daftykins
[18:03] <daftykins> <every orange subscriber i've known> but i get film tickets!
[18:03] <mapps> yea directhex
[18:03] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[18:04] <mapps> except my phone seems better
[18:04] <directhex> i have a kid, when am i going to go to see a movie?
[18:04] <mapps> ah yea so its 3g shared whereas my 3g is on my own
[18:04] <mapps> :D
[18:04] <directhex> if i get a day off from the kid, i'm going to an orgy, not a cinema
[18:04] <mapps> im on orange directhex  and 3g has got worse in last 6mths
[18:04] <directhex> it takes a few minutes for twitter links to load for me
[18:04] <mapps> yea
[18:04] <mapps> it sucks
[18:04] <directhex> i am jelly of wife's Three
[18:05] <mapps> 4g is ok..ive got a 4g contract too atm and unlimited 3g with orange
[18:05] <mapps> iphone 5 and 5s
[18:05] <mapps> :D
[18:05] <diddledan_> I've made an effect using css(3?) which is actually quite effective yet surprisingly simple to produce: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtb960lwpro1ou/Screenshot%20from%202014-08-14%2019%3A04%3A46.png
[18:06] <mapps> i got all my amazon orders now yay
[18:06] <mapps> was waitong for like 11 things
[18:06] <mapps> :D
[18:09] <daftykins> :O i love waiting for things
[18:10] <daftykins> i specifically choose the cheapest/free shipping these days so i get the best part for longer
[18:10] <daftykins> think of the cumulative savings too O_O
[18:10] <shauno> you must love China then ;)
[18:14] <daftykins> lawl
[18:17] <diddledan_> how would you describe this heading: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtb960lwpro1ou/Screenshot%20from%202014-08-14%2019%3A04%3A46.png
[18:17] <diddledan_> I'm trying to think of a name to give it
[18:18] <diddledan_> needs at least two parts
[18:18] <diddledan_> part1-part2 e.g.
[18:18] <smittix> woe is me
[18:18] <diddledan_> I'm thinking it's similar to train platform signs
[18:19] <daftykins> smittix: why-so?
[18:19] <smittix> Computer troubles all day heh
[18:25] <daftykins> fun times
[18:43] <daftykins> Meanwhile, on Guernsey - https://www.dropbox.com/s/cknwz15dzskq2jo/IMG_20140812_232336.jpg
[18:46] <shauno> I guess they didn't have much luck with the fishing equipment
[18:48] <davmor2> daftykins: why would they won't crabs, don't they know that would be the end of there love life :D
[18:48] <davmor2> Lobsters and oysters are the ones to get surely
[18:48] <daftykins> lol, you have some quirky typing sir, but i got it
[18:55] <davmor2> daftykins: deliberately :)
[18:55] <daftykins> deliberate 'won't for 'want' 0o
[18:55] <daftykins> and 'there' fail
[18:55] <daftykins> y u do dis!?
[18:55]  * daftykins chases davmor2 with an English refresher course
[18:58] <davmor2> daftykins: dyslexia is a git, I go with the one that sounds right
[18:59] <daftykins> oh you're that guy :) my bad
[18:59] <daftykins> my nick database seems off today
[19:00] <davmor2> daftykins: I think bigcalm too and I'm sure there was someone else too
[19:00] <diddledan_> daftykins, "that guy"
[19:00] <bigcalm> Humm?
[19:01] <bigcalm> What me too?
[19:01] <bigcalm> Or, me too what?
[19:01] <diddledan_> I think dyslexia is God's way of punishing those of us that like to pretend we're clever
[19:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: dyslexia
[19:02] <bigcalm> Oh
[19:02]  * bigcalm goes away again
[19:02]  * diddledan_ chases bigcalm
[19:04] <davmor2> diddledan_: I just thought it was a thing for busy minds,   My head is too busy thinking up new ways to destroy your software to possibly think how to spell a word
[19:07] <diddledan_> davmor2, yeah, that might make sense. My mind is usually a dark void so it has time to spot "mistakes" but is so set in it's ways that it refuses to assume dyslexia or other patterns and instead moans and gets me into trouble with the "offender" for being offensive
[19:07] <diddledan_> my brian is a curse
[19:08] <diddledan_> (yes I spelt that correctly!)
[19:08] <davmor2> diddledan_: you have a brian
[19:09] <diddledan_> :-)
[19:09] <davmor2> diddledan_: is it your son, and is the curse hear oi bry everywhere you go?
[19:10] <diddledan_> I don't have any kids :-)
[19:10] <diddledan_> brian is the strange bloke who sits inside my head
[19:10] <diddledan_> he makes me do bad things :-p
[19:10] <davmor2> diddledan_: oh that's worse still :D
[19:22] <diddledan_> http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/13/5998273/who-owns-a-language-wikipedia-palawa-kani-raises-old-debate
[19:22] <diddledan_> interesting
[20:08] <zleap> hey Pendulum
[20:08] <zleap> sorry hey popey
[20:22] <diddledan_> I've packaged my method into a "web component" for polymer: http://diddledan.github.io/broadway-heading/
[20:22] <diddledan_> I guess I need to point out that it's for polymer
[21:23] <daftykins> any thoughts on whether 14.04 would be having issues run on an old NVIDIA Quadro FX 350M ?
[21:23] <daftykins> it's borked after an upgrade from precise
[21:24] <daftykins> nouveau seems to come up with some funky issues with detecting the aspect ratio, heh
[21:24] <popey> ooh, thats old isnt it
[21:25] <daftykins> indeed! XP era machine
[21:25] <daftykins> http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/dell-precision-m65-review-pics-specs/
[21:26] <zleap> daftykins, there is a ubuntu system called Torios in development based on 12.04 for v1 and then 14.04 for v2  that is designed to be minimal may be good for old XP machiens
[21:26] <popey> that wont help
[21:26] <popey> the video driver will be the same
[21:26] <daftykins> certainly won't help this user with a broken install
[21:27] <popey> eek
[21:27] <daftykins> well apparently it gets to login ok, but the user session fails to start
[21:27] <popey> zleap: what desktop does Torios use?
[21:27] <zleap> jwm
[21:27] <popey> wossat?
[21:27] <zleap> http://torios.org/
[21:27] <zleap> hold on
[21:28] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWM
[21:28] <popey> found it
[21:28] <zleap> yeah
[21:28] <zleap> http://joewing.net/projects/jwm/
[21:29] <diddledan_> is jwm any relation to joe the text editor? :-p
[21:30] <diddledan_> "Joe's window manager"
[21:30] <zleap> not sure
[21:30] <zleap> i use joe text editor
[21:30] <zleap> in fact I wrote a command reference thingy for it
[21:31] <diddledan_> I think it's a bit narcissistic to name something after yourself :-p
[21:33] <zleap> diddledan_, where do you think Linus got Linux from
[21:33] <diddledan_> hehe
[21:33] <diddledan_> mikeos is where it's at
[21:33] <diddledan_> http://mikeos.sourceforge.net/
[22:04] <zleap> diddledan_, that looks useful or some of the links from there do
[22:05] <diddledan_> zleap, yup
[22:26] <daftykins> diddledan_: hey buddy old pal...
[22:26] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8048891/
[22:26] <daftykins> none of that would prevent a session starting would it :/
[22:27] <diddledan_> french >.<
[22:27] <diddledan_> :-p
[22:27] <daftykins> ;D
[22:27] <daftykins> yeah i thought that, but skype going funky shouldn't affect a whole session right 0o
[22:28] <diddledan_> I don't think so - nothing looks relevant there
[22:28] <daftykins> i've even suggested a unity reset, but that did nothing
[22:28] <diddledan_> grr
[22:28] <daftykins> i wonder if it's worth trying an nvidia driver, the Xorg log looks alright though
[22:29] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8048532/
[22:29] <diddledan_> you mentioned that it's getting the login prompt but not further?
[22:29] <daftykins> apparently a single window opens stating "system problem detected"
[22:29] <daftykins> but no mouse pointer and nothing bar a purple image
[22:29] <diddledan_> is there an ".xsession-errors" in the user's home folder?
[22:30] <arsen> bwaha winning. i have work branded free clothes :D
[22:30] <diddledan_> or similar naming I never get that correct
[22:30] <zleap> daftykins, i get that with xubuntu
[22:30] <daftykins> arsen: O_O
[22:30] <daftykins> diddledan_: that's what the first link above was
[22:31] <diddledan_> aah
[22:31] <diddledan_> ignore me then :-p
[22:32] <daftykins> hehe no worries
[22:32] <daftykins> i don't know anything beyond the above to diagnose this one
[22:32] <daftykins> i'm suggesting running a unity reset whilst it's sat there stalled this time
[22:32] <daftykins> before i suggested doing so after stopping lightdm
[22:32] <zleap> i am pff
[22:33] <daftykins> zleap: hmm? :)
[22:33] <zleap> off
[22:33] <zleap> sorry
[22:33] <daftykins> oh, nn sir
[22:33] <zleap> i will see if I can find out how to find out why i get system problem detected
[22:33] <daftykins> :D
[22:34] <daftykins> this one was a botched upgrade
[22:34] <zleap> this is a clean install
[22:34] <daftykins> preserved /home or nothing at all?
[22:34] <zleap> but it must be more to do with ubuntu as i had the same with xubuntu and lubuntu
[22:34] <zleap> fully clean then copied /home contents back over
[22:34] <zleap> i will chat tomorrow anyway
[22:34] <zleap> nite
[22:35] <diddledan_> daftykins, it might be a problem with preserved settings in which case to test that theory you can try adding a new user account
[22:35] <daftykins> *nod* sounds good sir
[22:36] <daftykins> the other thing i would've done is maybe move .config to .configold as a quick test
[22:36] <diddledan_> if it is a problem with saved settings then the simplest way to fix it is to nuke a couple .folders
[22:36] <daftykins> but yeah, better not to mess with user data
[22:36] <diddledan_> yeah, .config is one, I think .local is the other
[22:36] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[22:37] <diddledan_> the problem is doing that kills off unrelated program settings too so many many many apps start with a blank slate
[22:37] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:38] <daftykins> as long as none are run and it's just used as a quick test it should be grand
[22:41] <diddledan_> jeez, they're still making new police academy films
[22:42] <diddledan_> (it was the "many many many" that got me googling)
[22:42] <daftykins> O_O!
[22:42] <daftykins> where'd many many many come from?
[22:47] <diddledan_> I can't find any clips of it but it's the old boy, eric lissard who goes on about his "many many many fine officers" and other things
[22:49] <daftykins> aaaah :D
[23:03] <daftykins> diddledan_: lol i suggested .cache, .local and .config be renamed, still no go
[23:04] <diddledan_> foo
[23:04] <daftykins> at this point i think it might be too broken for a new user even
[23:04] <daftykins> kinda tempted to try an nvidia driver anyway just to be sure
[23:05] <diddledan_> might it be worth a check on a live-disc-based boot?
[23:06] <daftykins> mmm that would make sense, wonder if it's an option
[23:09] <daftykins> apparently it's the only computer
[23:09] <daftykins> heh
[23:09] <diddledan_> oh, you're remote?
[23:09] <daftykins> what about installing an alternative DE like xfce?
[23:09] <daftykins> yeah me to someone to someone via phone i'm horrified to say :S
[23:10] <diddledan_> eek
[23:10] <daftykins> they told a friend to use ubuntu on this antique and now it's totally trashed :D
[23:11] <diddledan_> well if it's missing any packages then running tasksel and selecting "ubuntu desktop" should install all the default packages if they're not present. follow it with a reboot if it installed anything and check logging-in again
[23:12] <daftykins> mmm, wonder if i could also say to remove ubuntu-desktop and install xubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <diddledan_> oh, looks like it needs installing first, so sudo apt-get install tasksel
[23:12] <daftykins> or skip the first and just go straight to xubuntu-desktop
[23:14] <arsen> reminds me, need to reinstall my laptop
[23:14] <arsen> or fix the laptop suspend .. somehow on resume it fails to turn the screen back on :/ pita
[23:15] <daftykins> did you say you were using xubuntu?
[23:16] <daftykins> as i think someone said that's in the release notes as a known bug, heh
[23:16] <arsen> gnome classic, but happens regardless of DE
[23:16] <arsen> mine doesnt seem to be the common bug (use osmething other htan xubuntu)
[23:18] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:18] <daftykins> i'm typing from this old Sony of the boss's today
[23:18] <daftykins> kinda funny not being able to watch a flash vid 'cause it sucks so bad
[23:22] <diddledan_> HEXIE!
[23:22] <diddledan_> damn that peer
[23:22] <daftykins> every time :(
[23:44] <diddledan_> chromium has hung on me again
[23:44] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:49] <popey> yeah, i switched to chrome after chromium went down hill recently
[23:51] <diddledan_> do the unity added sugar work with google's chrome?
[23:52] <diddledan_> i.e. unity-chromium-extension and unity-scope-chromiumbookmarks
[23:52] <daftykins> apparently editing ~/.dmrc is enough to change default session at login? 0o
[23:52] <diddledan_> daftykins, seems legit
[23:53] <daftykins> wow, user didn't have the file
[23:54] <popey> dunno
[23:54] <daftykins> user got xubuntu-desktop installed but i think it was stuck on running unity as the default session
[23:55] <daftykins> lightdm.conf might be the next option


[01:06] <fauxalliance> hello
[01:07] <fauxalliance> I have one of those hauppage 950Q usb dongles.  With a fresh install of mythbuntu it recognizes the NTSC portion of the card and tvtime tunes perfectly.  I cannot seem to get mythtv to play nice....
[02:56] <Hilikus> what's better between configuring custom folders to use by the backend or leaving the default ones and creating symlinks to point to the ones i want to use??
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest67> anyone home ??
[07:42] <media> hi all i am somewhat of a noob i have setup and used mythbuntu for serveral years without problem on my dvb-t setup now i have upgraded to dvb-s i cannot figure out how to make it work i think the cards are present and installed
[07:43] <media> when i got to add a card there are nod dvb-s options but under anologue vl4 it lists my device well almost lists my chipset but it thinkis it is a t750 mine ins a s350
[07:44] <media> *thinks
[08:02] <media> guys i think i am getting some where but i really could use some help
[08:11] <media> c'mon guys one of you must be able to help
[16:22] <edizzle> Trying to do "Clean install 9.10 and keeping your database" from here: http://mythbuntu.org/Upgrading  .  Having issues at step # 6.  In step number 5 i get the password fine, however it seems it does not like that password when asked for it in step #6.
[16:25] <edizzle> oh wait, getting further..
[16:31] <edizzle> does the myzql db need to be in the .sql.gz format  for step 7?
[16:33] <edizzle> ok looks like i didnt sapce afver teh /db_backups/ (space) -- filename
[20:51] <Hilikus> is there a package to configure the remote control and blaster from a hauppauge 150?
[20:52] <Hilikus> or ubuntu howTo?
[20:53] <rhpot1991> Hilikus: IIRC its broken in Karmic
[20:53] <rhpot1991> check the forums/google
[20:54] <Hilikus> what is?
[20:54] <Hilikus> the lirc module?
[20:55] <rhpot1991> the blaster
[20:55] <rhpot1991> as far as the remote control, it should work just enable it in MCC
[21:00] <Hilikus> this is on ubuntu server, i don't have MCC
[21:00] <Hilikus> mcc is media control center?
[21:03] <rhpot1991> mythbuntu-control-centre
[21:03] <rhpot1991> install it, it will help you out a lot
[21:03] <Hilikus> i will!
[21:03] <Hilikus> thanks
[21:13] <Hilikus> rhpot1991: where's the MCC menu? i can't find it
[21:14] <rhpot1991> should be system->administration I think
[21:14] <rhpot1991> or just launch it from a terminal
[21:24] <Hilikus> thanks, i got it
[21:35] <bllzz> I can't control the volume or mute function from within myth using my MCE USB remote.  Everything else works.  When i try to adjust the volume or to mute the sound, I see the appropriate overlay show up in the frontend (i.e. the volume slider) but there is no corresponding change in sound.  I tried changing between PCM and Master in the sound options, but that doesn't work.  What can I try next?
[21:54] <MythbuntuGuest98> my videos will not play after cover art was fetched. they worked shortly and then stopped. If i go in and change the filename they will work again, this keeps happening.
[22:00] <iamlindoro> You are running a pre-release copy of .22.  Activate the nightly build repository, update to the current packages, and it will stop happening
[22:00] <iamlindoro> !autobuilds
[22:00] <Zinn> Auto builds are available for MythTV 0.22 for Intrepid, Jaunty, and Karmic (0.22 and 0.23-trunk).  See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info.  If you see references to 0.22-trunk, you can ignore the -trunk part :-)
[22:01] <iamlindoro> Haha, go me
[22:02] <MythbuntuGuest08> how do you enable this?
[22:05] <iamlindoro> MythbuntuGuest08: See above link
[22:27] <henrik__> the autobuilds for mythbuntu how often are they released? I changed to mythbuntus autobuilds for about two weeks ago and have not recived an update.
[22:28] <iamlindoro> They're updated when -fixes is
[22:29] <iamlindoro> there has been little commit activity to myth at all the last few weeks, and little to none if -fixes
[22:29] <iamlindoro> er in -fixes
[22:29] <MythbuntuGuest98> i installed it and chose to update to .23 yet my videos still do not play
[22:30] <iamlindoro> MythbuntuGuest08: Yikes, why did you choose trunk/.23?
[22:30] <iamlindoro> Anyway, they're not going to just magically start playing, you need to fix them, then they will not break themselves any more
[22:30] <henrik__> iamlindoro, is that cause it's perfect or is it lack of intrest?
[22:30] <MythbuntuGuest98> should i go back?
[22:31] <henrik__> MythbuntuGuest08, if you can do that, .23 is very expremental
[22:31] <iamlindoro> MythbuntuGuest98: Yes, but that will mean restoring your database since you now have one which is incompatible with .22
[22:31] <MythbuntuGuest98> not much on there anyway
[22:31] <iamlindoro> henrik__: It's Christmastime and we all have families/lives
[22:32] <iamlindoro> also because we broke our rear ends on .22 and most of the core devs rightly want a break
[22:32] <iamlindoro> .23 will be very incremental, with .24 probably bringing more major features
[22:33] <henrik__> okej that is good news, not some other project (except jesus) that is taking precious time ;)
[22:33] <henrik__> well i'm very happy with .22
[22:33] <MythbuntuGuest98> okay so how do i fix them once i go back to .22?
[22:33] <henrik__> but I'm mostly a livetv watcher.
[22:34] <henrik__> MythbuntuGuest98, these problems should not occur in .22
[22:34] <henrik__> I did not have these problems so ones you have gone back with db and application it should be fine
[22:35] <iamlindoro> no, he has broken video entries
[22:35] <iamlindoro> since he is running the "release" Mythbuntu 9.10 which did not contain the final release of .22
[22:35] <iamlindoro> thus it's running a copy of Jamu with a bug which is breaking video DB entries
[22:35] <iamlindoro> current fixes doesn't have that problem, he would have been fine had he simply chosen .22 autobuilds
[22:36] <henrik__> aoo I got that problem to..
[22:36] <henrik__> but I just disabled jamu
[22:36] <iamlindoro> Simply being on current -fixes is enough
[22:37] <henrik__> well in the wiki it says that if you are puting the imdb# by hand you should have it disabled
[22:37] <henrik__> so I did
[22:38] <MythbuntuGuest98> so since i messed up and chose .23 do i need to reinstall from scratch... or can i go back to .22
[22:39] <iamlindoro> MythbuntuGuest98: Don't know what the best way to restore to a previous version is with Mythbuntu since I don't use it, but generally speaking you can remove the .23 packages, install .22 ones, and restore the copy of the database from before the upgrade
[22:39] <henrik__> MythbuntuGuest98, If you don't have the db or don't know how to do it, reinstalling is the best way..
[22:40] <henrik__> and when you have done that look at the application http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb
[22:40] <henrik__> do an update of the system an enjoy a very good and stable mythtv..
[22:42] <MythbuntuGuest98> i hardly have anything in this system... however I would prefer not to reinstall the whole thing.
[22:42] <MythbuntuGuest98> how would i remove .23 and and install .22?
[22:42] <henrik__> apt-get remove .....
[22:43] <henrik__> however you will need to restore your mysql db from .22
[22:43] <henrik__> if you don't have that saved you are in some problem..
[22:43] <MythbuntuGuest98> so a reinstall it is!
[22:44] <henrik__> if you don't have alot saved on your system and is not good ubuntu/mysql user please consider a restall
[22:44] <henrik__> .23 will problebly be out final in a year or two..
[22:44] <MythbuntuGuest98> i will reinstall... thanks guys... will this new .22 fix the iso issue?
[22:45] <iamlindoro> henrik__: .23 is out on March 1st
[22:45] <iamlindoro> We are doing four month cycles from now on
[22:45] <iamlindoro> MythbuntuGuest98: No, No version of .22 will support ISOs in storage groups-- it's not a bug, it's unimplemented
[22:45] <henrik__> iamlindoro, ooohh! that was a first, are the developers up for that?
[22:46] <iamlindoro> henrik__: yes, we are
[22:46] <henrik__> nice!!! I have always seen mythtv as beeing released "when ready" :P
[22:46] <henrik__> hope it will remain as bugg free as posible.
[22:49] <hipitihop> My recent updates are showing the following as being kept back, any suggestions ? libxine1 libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-misc-plugins
[22:49] <hipitihop>   libxine1-x nvidia-glx-185
[22:55] <MythbuntuGuest98> can i remove the entire mythtv from command line and then reinstall from there?
[22:55] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest98: what iso issue?
[22:55] <rhpot1991> !iso
[22:55] <Zinn> Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[22:55] <rhpot1991> that?
[22:57] <henrik__> I have a question to all mythbuntu releasers out there? Why do mythbuntu need to follow the relase cycle of ubuntu? I'm not intrested in the latest features on my htpc except what's relevant to mythtv. I would prefere lts releases only and then focus on mythtv parts. Some changes are inevereble like qt4 or vdpau support.
[22:57] <henrik__> mytbuntu developers*
[22:58] <mrand> henrik__: you can always choose to not upgrade releases.
[23:00] <rhpot1991> henrik__: the work from mythbuntu goes into ubuntu, so we can only update those packages every 6 months with ubuntu releases
[23:00] <rhpot1991> the daily builds offer a way to deviate from the standard ubuntu packages
[23:08] <Hilikus> is there an official howTo to configure a remote control + ir blaster?
[23:16] <MythbuntuGuest98> so can i remove and reinstall from command line?
[23:28] <MythbuntuGuest98> i am away from my mythtv box and want to fix it remotely... so i can get it back up and running for the wife and kids... is there a way to remove and reinstall remotely?
[23:34] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest57: man apt-get


[17:16] <Noboru55> wxl hello, i did not like the qt.
[17:16] <Noboru55> they should not change the lxde for lxqt
[17:40] <dsc_> I dislike computers can you stop developing lubuntu
[17:40] <wxl> two things i'll say on the subject
[17:40] <wxl> Ⓐ there's no accounting for taste
[17:40] <wxl> Ⓑ you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time
[17:42] <wxl> qt flair, don't care