[06:58] <MoPac> Hello -- during an in -place update from quetzal to ringtail, my boot partition ran out of space when installing the 3.8 kernel (100mb not enough for two kernels at once...sigh).  It threw a bunch of errors and then had me restart a couple of times and seems unstable.
[06:59] <MoPac> Is there an easy way for me to error-check and/or refresh the kernel files in my boot directory?
[06:59] <MoPac> doing a manual install from cache search linux-image tells me I have the latest versoin, but I assume that didn't involve an integrity check
[07:00] <geofft> You could run debsums on the linux-image-`uname -r` package. Or apt-get reinstall it. (You likely also want to run update-grub for good measure)
[07:00] <geofft> This is not a support channel, though.
[07:01] <MoPac> Ah, sorry about that.  I was directed by the second FAQ at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[07:02] <geofft> Oh, well, maybe it is. :) (I just started lurking here a few days ago 'cause I have some development things I want to work out with the kernel team)
[07:03] <geofft> (I'm not part of the kernel team, I'm just a user)
[07:08] <MoPac> I assume that I want the generic image and not the "extra" version?
[07:08] <MoPac> I seem to remember seeing the word extra during the update process
[07:11] <MoPac> Or would I need both, as some forum banter suggests?
[07:12] <geofft> I'm not sure what you need, but it's easy enough to see if you have it installed (or partly installed) already
[07:12] <geofft> Run "dpkg -l" and the package name, and see if you get a line that starts with "ii"
[07:13] <MoPac> I don't have it -- I think that may have been the error, actually -- that there wasn't enough room for the extra package
[07:13] <MoPac> Makes sense now.  But I'll clear it all out and add both
[07:13] <MoPac> thanks for your help
[18:08] <geofft> apw: does http://debathena.mit.edu/trac/ticket/1309 look like a correct summary of our discussion re OpenAFS?
[18:10] <geofft> Relatedly, uh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is _ridiculously_ high-traffic. Is there a list that just gets emails about new kernel versions in the PPA?
[20:46] <cyril_> hi
[22:13] <apw> geofft, that describes it pretty well indeed
[22:14] <apw> geofft, not currently, but it might no be unreasonable to raise that on the list
[22:14] <geofft> OK, will do
[22:14] <geofft> and thanks re confirming my writeup is correct


[00:24] <loth> Hey all, does "network-interfaces" work in RHEL variants or just debian?
[01:15] <smoser> in what sense?
[01:15] <smoser> cloud-init will read /etc/network/interfaces and write stuff to sysconfig style on rhel/suse
[01:15] <smoser> but htere are race conditions.
[01:15] <smoser> ie, you really have to have 'eth0' set up correctly
[01:15] <smoser> i assume you're talking about openstack / config drive.
[07:53] <Odd_Bloke> `mx: How are you installing pip?
[09:25] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Can you remind me: can data sources throw exceptions to mark themselves as inapplicable for an instance, or will that bring down cloud-init?
[10:11] <harmw> man, Kolla is fun :)
[12:56] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, return False.
[12:59] <smoser> from .get_data
[13:00]  * Odd_Bloke wonders if smoser has confused his IRC client for a Python interpreter.
[13:03] <smoser> hm.. your irc client is not a python interpreter? how odd.
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke>   File "smoser", line 1
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke>     hm.. your irc client is not a python interpreter? how odd.
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke>        ^
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[13:05] <kwadronaut> smoser: still using lice on ircii?
[13:06] <kwadronaut> already rewritten in python3?
[13:07] <smoser> del users[Odd_Bloke']
[13:07] <smoser> doh


[11:02] <pavolzetor> hallo, I need help with vala and desktopcouch
[11:02] <pavolzetor> is there anyone capable?
[11:35] <klattimer> hmm...
[11:35] <klattimer> njpatel: morning
[11:35] <klattimer> are we the only ones here?
[11:35] <klattimer> kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/669410
[11:36] <klattimer> not good, just discovered this one trying to create a new calendar in evolution
[11:37] <njpatel> klattimer, morning dude
[11:37] <klattimer> morn
[11:37] <njpatel> klattimer, yeah, seems like a french + german holiday
[11:38] <klattimer> ah right
[12:09] <kklimonda_>   /b 4
[14:29] <fagan> Hmmm who is working on the new wiki theme
[14:29] <fagan> I noticed something that could be fixed have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[14:30] <fagan> there should be a bit of a boarder to the right side of the page to make sure the text doesnt go miles off the page
[14:33] <achiang> hello, i'm trying to figure out how to add ayatana to bug  #667902 but am struggling a little with launchpad. can someone point me in the right direction?
[14:33] <achiang> i think i inadvertently added the Unity project by accident when i didn't really mean to
[14:34] <achiang> oh hm, i just changed it to ayatana-design. hopefully someone can double-check and ensure the right thing happened
[14:37] <fagan> achiang: all you have to do is sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop and select it on the login screen
[14:37] <achiang> fagan: eh?
[14:38] <fagan> oh I thought you meant that you accedently installed unity
[14:38] <fagan> hehe
[14:38] <achiang> fagan: i'm just trying to make sure the bug i filed is appropriately tagged as per comment #4 so the dx team can track it properly
[14:39] <fagan> achiang: ayatana-design should be fine since the owner is the canonical design team so they can move it around if it needs to be moved
[14:40] <achiang> fagan: thank you
[14:59] <simar> Hello all
[14:59] <simar> Is this considered a bug or a wishlist
[14:59] <simar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/669340
[15:00] <kazade> simar, I'd say wishlist
[15:01] <simar> kazade, hello .. Actually i'm totally new to papercuts. I have seen similar bugs not marked as papercuts .. thats y i asked
[15:01] <kazade> hmm, actually I just realized it was a papercut... I'm not sure.
[15:02] <kazade> If the bug is saying that it's inconsistent that you can remove folders but not devices. Then I'd go with a bug, but as it just seems to say that it would be a nice feature I'd probably stick with wishlist
[15:04] <simar> my vote for a wishlist too ... any idea to which package it should be assigned .. nautilus??
[15:05] <kazade> simar, yeah
[15:05] <kazade> as the places menu just shows the nautilus bookmarks I believe
[16:32] <tedg> kenvandine, Hmm, seems this didn't make Maverick, can you merge it for Natty?  https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-appmenu/ubuntu/+merge/36757
[16:55] <kenvandine> tedg, sure
[17:32] <Cimi> iainfarrell: is magda in the office?
[17:34] <iainfarrell> Cimi: hey chap
[17:34] <iainfarrell> she's gone for the day
[17:34] <iainfarrell> back tomorrow
[18:06] <malte> Hi, I'm trying to port appmenu to Gentoo and I'm stuck on the GTK+ part (I'm not a gentoo developer, nor do I know C, I just like playing around with Gentoo). When I apply the 043_ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch, the build fails with the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1978783 and I can't figure out how to fix it. It would be great if anyone could help me out
[18:13] <tedg> bratsche, ^
[18:16] <bratsche> malte: Is there any kind of .symbols file in the Gentoo packaging?  In the deb packages I had to add the new symbols to these files.
[18:16] <bratsche> Otherwise, I have no idea why this wouldn't work if the patch itself applies cleanly.
[18:35] <malte> bratsche: as far as I know there isnt, except for gtk.symbols which is contained in the GTK+ package. What does the symbols file do? Most probably I can do manually, what the symbols file does. And, by the way,ubuntu_gtk_menu_shell_activate_mnemonic is added to gtk.symbols by the patch in case you assume that to be the problem
[18:37] <malte> bratsche: I can even find ubuntu_gtk_menu_shell_activate_mnemonic in gtkalias.h
[18:38] <malte> bratsche: nevermind, I just realised that it is obvious, I can find it there...
[18:39] <malte> bratsche: so I guess some #include is missing?
[18:46] <bratsche> malte: Yeah, maybe.
[18:49] <malte> bratsche: I also tried applying 070_mandatory-relibtoolize.patch which has something about ubuntumenuproxy.h in it, without success
[18:49] <bratsche> Oh, right.
[18:49] <bratsche> malte: So try running autoreconf
[18:51] <Technoviking> hello all, got a quick question
[18:52] <malte> bratsche: would I need the relibtoolize patch too?
[18:53] <bratsche> malte: No, because that's setup for all the Ubuntu patches.
[18:53] <Technoviking> I'm design new user ranks for the forums. I was wondering if it ok in the Branding Guidelines to change the color of the Color of Friends. We usually you green to symbolize a loco mod and red for an admin
[18:53] <malte> bratsche: ok, I'll try it. It will take a while, I need to figure out the gentoo way of doing it ;) thanks
[19:03] <malte> bratsche: it didn't work. Still the same problem :(
[19:04] <bratsche> You ran autoreconf after applying the patch?
[19:10] <malte> bratsche: yes
[19:10] <malte> and libtoolize is run anyway
[19:11] <bratsche> malte: If you unpack the source, apply the patch, run autoreconf, then just type 'make' then does it get any further?
[19:15] <malte> bratsche: I just tried adding #include "ubuntumenuproxy.h" to gtkalias.h which is ugly but makes sure the file is always included, that solved the problem but caused another one. So I at least know what the problem is. I'll try compiling manually.
[19:15] <bratsche> k
[19:26] <malte> bratsch: the same error occurs when compiling and running autoreconf manually
[19:26] <malte> bratsche: see above
[19:49] <malte> bratsche: the #include probably did not solve the problem but caused the other one before the first one. ubuntu_gtk_menu_shell_activate_mnemonic is in gtkmenushell.c, but including that file causes the build to fail, too, because of the same error and a lot of other ones. I'm lost :(
[19:53] <bratsche> Let me try to build from source.
[19:59] <bratsche> Okay, I see the same error.  I'm not sure what's causing it, but I'll try to find out.
[20:01] <malte> thanks a lot!


[15:35] <sergiote> has anyone successfully installed Qtractor on Ubuntu?
[16:50] <holstein> sergiote: yes
[16:50] <holstein> check #opensourcemusicians
[16:50] <holstein> lots of guys using qtractor on all kinds of OS's
[16:51] <holstein> including buntu


[00:02] <Lns> LaserJock: yeah that's a weird situation for edubuntu since there are many different network topologies possible
[00:03] <LaserJock> the content filter that was started by Amaranth (who wrote the Gnome menu editor) is pretty nice
[00:04] <LaserJock> but I think it needs a more complete implementation
[00:16] <Ahmuck> i've got a problem with it
[00:16] <Ahmuck> with filtering
[00:16] <Ahmuck> opendns isn't doing it, and my isp doesn't really have a solution
[00:19] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: have you tried dansguardian yet?
[00:21] <Ahmuck> nope
[00:21] <Ahmuck> iirc, danguardian charges schools
[00:22] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: what do you mean?
[00:24] <Ahmuck> k, nm
[00:24] <Ahmuck> dans guardian is free ... as it's in ubuntu
[00:24] <Ahmuck> but the blacklists he suggests using is not
[00:24] <LaserJock> right, although I think there is a blacklist included, though I could be wrong
[00:25] <Ahmuck> it's only "not free" if you download from his site
[00:25] <Ahmuck> http://urlblacklist.com/?sec=subscribe
[00:25] <Ahmuck> that's the blacklist he uses
[00:26] <LaserJock> right, but you can get other free blacklists
[00:27] <LaserJock> anyway, that's an option I've commonly seen
[00:28] <LaserJock> time to go home for me
[00:28] <Lns> LaserJock: wow didnt know you knew the guy who did alacarte ?
[00:28] <LaserJock> sure
[00:28] <LaserJock> gave him a ride once ;-)
[00:28] <Lns> you should mention it to him that multi-user functionality would RULE =)
[00:28] <stgraber> Amaranth used to be around on IRC some time ago
[00:29] <Lns> would be perfect for ltsp ppl
[00:29] <stgraber> haven't seen him for a while though
[00:29] <Lns> ah
[00:29] <LaserJock> I suspect that perhaps either work or uni has taken him a lot
[00:29] <crimsun> he's around on #offtopic fairly frequently
[00:29] <LaserJock> he's dropped alacarte essentially
[00:29] <Ahmuck> long time ago
[00:29] <LaserJock> does more compiz stuff I believe
[00:29] <Lns> One of my clients mentioned that they loved the menu editor and it would be nice to do it globally
[00:29] <Ahmuck> iirc
[00:29] <crimsun> i funded part of his UDS stay some time ago
[00:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, that's when I gave him a ride to Google HQ
[00:30] <LaserJock> he and ajmitch and jcastro were hoofing it
[00:30] <Lns> hehe
[00:30] <Lns> i love this community =)
[00:30] <crimsun> come to think on it, i've funded quite a few older core-dev for various things
[00:31] <LaserJock> you remember the "save \sh" campaign?
[00:31] <crimsun> of course.
[00:31] <LaserJock> that was an interesting point in Ubuntu community history
[00:32] <LaserJock> I've not seen things like that elsewhere, though my experience is limited
[00:32] <crimsun> there was also brandon's hw issue
[00:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[00:36] <Ahmuck> heh, i know brandon as well
[08:13] <highvoltage> I always find things like this disturbing: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/4176114/Chinese-schoolboy-has-52-stitches-after-attack-from-teacher.html
[13:51] <jelkner> ogra: u here?
[13:52] <jelkner> anyone here who could field an edubuntu organizational question?
[13:56] <ogra> jelkner, i'm here, but i didnt touch edubuntu since a year
[13:56] <ogra> LaserJock is your best bet
[13:58] <jelkner> ogra: what i have isn't a technical question, but rather an organizational one
[13:58] <jelkner> I'll look for LaserJock
[13:59] <jelkner> i assume i can find his contact info on launchpad?
[14:01] <jelkner> it is interesting to note that you are listed as the top contact of the team on http://edubuntu.org/help
[14:01] <jelkner> i am listed as Education contact
[14:01] <jelkner> but neither of us is actively involved in the project
[14:02] <jelkner> I keep getting very exciting emails from people around the world expressing interest in Edubuntu
[14:02] <jelkner> but i don't know what to do to help them
[14:02] <jelkner> so i was thinking we need to update that page and get some real contacts listed there instead of us
[14:06]  * jelkner found Jordan Mantha on launchpad and is going off to email him...
[14:06] <ogra> edubuntu was idling since i moved teams, the community guys are just starting to pick up on it again
[14:06] <ogra> afaik they are planning to reorgnize the website at some point
[14:08] <ogra> but i think they will want to sort the tech side first .... nobody touched it for quite some time
[14:08] <jelkner> ok, thanks
[14:08] <jelkner> but i'll still email him, if he is the main dude on the project
[14:09] <ogra> well, he tries to take the time for it on a voluntary base
[14:09] <ogra> some hours a week or so
[14:09] <jelkner> cool
[14:10] <ogra> but overall edubuntu was pretty dead for quite soe time
[14:10] <ogra> *some
[14:15] <ogra> jelkner, if there is commercial intrest expressed in such mails you get, just forward them to RichEd ... even though canonical doesnt do much for edubuntu anymore, there is interest to establish ubuntu in education


[01:27] <studio-user485> Hi studio people. I'm wondering if I can find a solution to a hiccup. I've been running 18.04 and decided to take the 18.10 plunge. My upgrade got stuck and now can't log into it.
[01:30] <studio-user485> I have some more details if anyone thinks they can give me some guidance
[22:41] <ritmo> Hello World
[22:41] <ritmo> First time using irc
[22:41] <mikez> ritmo: in dah house
[22:42] <ritmo> mikez: yah yah


[07:57] <LetoThe2nd> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelGitGuide maybe outdated / incorrect?
[07:58] <LetoThe2nd> the suggested git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/linux-2.6 just gives me "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"
[07:58] <RAOF> Correct.
[07:59] <LetoThe2nd> i guess it should be git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/linux.git
[07:59] <LetoThe2nd> judging from gitweb, right?
[07:59] <RAOF> You want the bit directly above there, where it says you're after git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git
[07:59] <LetoThe2nd> RAOF: nah, i picked it on purpose because of the referencing
[14:58] <skaet> ogasawara, will the kernel uploaded yesterday (3.5.0-5.5) be the one we'll be sticking with for A3 or is there another planned drop?
[15:00] <ogasawara> skaet: if upstream v3.5-rc8 lands, we'd like to upload it, but if not we'll likely stick with 3.5.0-5.5.  I currently don't have any critical bug fixes queued to warrant another upload at this time.
[15:01] <skaet> ogasawara,  thanks.
[16:33] <bjf> utlemming, we need to have the discussion here
[16:33] <apw> utlemming, yo ...
[16:33] <utlemming> howdy
[16:33] <apw> bug #1026690
[16:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026690 in linux-meta "3.0.0.-23.38-virtual kernel regression kills EC2 instances" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026690
[16:33] <apw> smb, ^^
[16:33] <smb> yo
[16:34] <utlemming> The impact is that all 32-bit EC2 instances that consume that SRU are toast
[16:34] <smb> I am trying to find out what taht kernel has in and whther its the latest
[16:34] <utlemming> Instance-store users will lose all data, and EBS users will have a painful recovery
[16:36] <bjf> utlemming: we are looking
[16:36] <utlemming> bjf: thanks
[16:41] <smb> utlemming, Was the last version working? (-23.37 I think)
[16:46] <utlemming> smb: yes, that is the latest
[16:46] <utlemming> smb: we didn't see problems before .38
[16:47] <infinity> 22.36 was the previous.  23.37 was a dud.
[16:47] <smb> Hm, actually would be one before because that one is a no-change uplaod
[16:47] <smb> yeah
[16:47] <smb> And that one only had one xen specific patch in which would filter some cpu feature bits...
[16:47] <smb> Does not sound likely to be relevant there...
[16:48] <smb> And the cmpxchg fix I thought of was in before that or with it
[16:50] <smb> Ah
[16:50] <smb> Think I may have found something, there was a fix for a fix in precise but does not seem to have made it to stable of 3.0
[16:51] <smb> thp: avoid atomic64_read in pmd_read_atomic for 32bit PAE
[16:53] <infinity> Should I violently pull that binary from -updates while you guys sort this out?
[16:54] <utlemming> infinity: +1
[16:55] <smb> bjf, herton If we could pick a77da6dcf81fb3346d3449a4925515343c9f18b9 from precise and do a rebuild?
[16:56] <infinity> Removing packages:
[16:56] <infinity> 	linux-image-3.0.0-23-virtual 3.0.0-23.38 in oneiric i386
[16:56] <infinity> Comment: Broken SRU; blows up EC2 instances
[16:56] <infinity> Remove [y|N]?
[16:56] <infinity> ^-- Should do?
[16:56] <infinity> (It'll mean people get an error from apt on upgrade, but sure beats the alternative)
[16:57] <utlemming> infinity: if there was a work around, I'd say leave it, but given that it kills the instance, leaving it is inviting user pain
[16:57]  * infinity nods.
[16:57] <utlemming> kernel team, do disagree about pulling it?
[16:58] <infinity> Too late if they do.
[16:58] <utlemming> lol
[16:58] <cking> bjf, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~colin-king/ecryptfs/test-fixes/revision/705
[16:59] <smb> herton, sorry 6e60d7d7667a47b1b8760a45d95547799f4df2c5
[16:59] <utlemming> infinity: will that be reflected in the meta-data later?
[16:59] <infinity> utlemming: It'll drop out of the Packages file on the next mirror pulse.
[16:59] <infinity> (And off disk)
[17:00] <utlemming> infinity: great. I'm just thinking of how long before it propigates to the S3 mirrors.
[17:00] <cking> tyhicks, i've got a couple of eCryptfs patches that fix up some issues we see on our automatic eCryptfs tests, can you pull or merge these sometime for us?
[17:00] <apw> utlemming, #is maintain those i think ... perhaps they can expedite
[17:01] <utlemming> apw: yup, I'll go over there and ask them
[17:03] <infinity> IS can 403 files on the mirrors they own.  That said, by the time they finish that, this pulse might happen.
[17:03] <infinity> (It'll happen in about 25m)
[17:03] <bjf> skaet: do you have an incident report started ?
[17:04] <apw> infinity, indeed.  and thankfully it is oneiric so there should be a much lower penetration
[17:04] <skaet> "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2012-07-19-oneiric-kernel-regression-kills-EC2-instances
[17:04] <skaet> bjf,  ^ just started.
[17:07] <infinity> apw: Hopefully, yeah.
[17:08] <infinity> bjf: If you guys can fast-track an SRU with just this fix, I'll be happy to help babysit it through the process.
[17:08] <bjf> infinity: ack
[17:09] <tyhicks> cking: Yeah, sorry I haven't been able to get to it yet. Looking now.
[17:09] <infinity> Should be able to skip most everything except a "does it boot and, like, contain useful files" regression test, and obviously testing that it fixes the EC2 breakage.
[17:12] <apw> utlemming, this issue has only been seen with O instances right ?
[17:12] <infinity> bjf: And it might not be outlandish to suggest that "spin up an EC2 instance on $release and upgrade to the -proposed kernel" should be part of the standard QA process here. ;)
[17:13] <bjf> gema, pgraner, ^
[17:14] <pgraner> bjf, I thought we did that already as part of the SRU testing, I'm waiting on hggdh to confirm
[17:14] <utlemming> apw: checking all the others now
[17:14] <pgraner> bjf, and for some reason if we don't then we will
[17:14] <slangasek> (low priority, feel free to ignore me during the crisis) anyone know why we don't set CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK_DBGP in our kernel configs?
[17:15] <apw> slangasek, will look
[17:15] <utlemming> apw: confirming the others now.
[17:15] <slangasek> apw: it happens that this would be handy for me at the moment while trying to debug UEFI boot failures at Plug Fest; but I have no idea if it would be sensible to enable it generally
[17:20] <utlemming> apw: precise is unaffected with <IP_ADDRESS>.28
[17:20] <apw> slangasek, ok that sounds like something that might be safe to have on if the kit is missing, and it sunds like cking may have one.  is there a bug on this, i want to get cking to investigate
[17:21] <bjf> utlemming, we believe we've identified the bad commit as well as the commit that fixes the issue
[17:21] <slangasek> apw: haven't open a bug yet, I can do so
[17:21] <bjf> utlemming, this problem seems to be unique to Oneiric kernels which only have the bad commit and not the fix
[17:21] <tyhicks> cking: done - thanks!
[17:21] <bjf> utlemming, we are working to verify all of that
[17:21] <apw> slangasek, awsome, get me the number and i'll get it looked into.  efi not working in early boot is likley to be a high probabality in the next cycle or two
[17:22] <utlemming> bjf: glad to hear. If you have a build of the fix, I'll test it too
[17:22] <hggdh> pgraner, bjf: we fire off EC2 from the ./current/, not from $RELEASE
[17:24] <bjf> hggdh: do we do any kernel upgrade testing ?
[17:25] <hggdh> bjf: we fire off an existing ec2 image (from the current set), enable -proposed, and run a dist-upgrade; then reboot, and run the tests
[17:26] <infinity> hggdh: On i386 as well?  This was i386-specific, so an amd64 test wouldn't have caught it.
[17:26] <utlemming> hggh: we caught it here: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/ec2%20AMI%20Testing/view/Overview/job/oneiric-server-ec2-daily/
[17:27] <utlemming> which tests the daily ec2 image builds
[17:27] <smb> utlemming, Can you do quick verifications when I get you a test kernel build?
[17:27] <utlemming> smb: yes...and gladly
[17:27] <hggdh> infinity: on both i386 and amd64
[17:27] <infinity> hggdh: Curious that this slipped through, then, given that it appears to be universally fatal. :/
[17:28] <utlemming> hggdh: do you have logs of that test?
[17:28] <hggdh> indeed
[17:28] <smb> utlemming, ok, give me a couple of minutes.
[17:29] <infinity> hggdh: Can you re-do your test by hand before the mirrors pulse the kernel out of existence, and prove/show that the test worked for you?  It would be valuable to know how or why this slipped through the cracks.
[17:29] <apw> infinity, +1
[17:30] <hggdh> infinity, utlemming: I am re-running them, but I guess I already found the reason -- I mistakenly got a amd64 run in place of the i386
[17:32] <hggdh> and I did get the bad kernel on the dist-upgrade
[17:35] <apw> hggdh, sounds like we need a arch/kernelversion/machine confirmation test as the first test in every test set
[17:36] <bjf> hggdh, if these were matrix tests, that might make it more difficult to have this case ?
[17:36] <infinity> Not that we can test on all hardware (sadly), but at least being able to test Xen and KVM machines seems easy enough.
[17:37] <hggdh> bjf: sort of. I certainly see the reason to have a coverage like in the current ec2 tests (which we do not have right now)
[17:38] <hggdh> (meaning a mix of regions/types/etc)
[17:38] <bjf> utlemming, should QA be running the ec2 tests that you found this issue with ?
[17:40] <utlemming> bjf: well, how we found the issue was making sure that our daily builds work, not the package set
[17:40] <utlemming> bjf: so if they have proposed covered, then I think not
[17:41] <hggdh> utlemming: actually, yes (in this case), since you grab the current (daily) kernel, and it was updated already
[17:41] <hggdh> but this is a post facto finding
[17:42] <utlemming> hgggh: right
[17:54] <bjf> pgraner: who on your team should i add to the incident report ?
[17:56] <hggdh> bjf: I
[17:58] <hggdh> infinity: the idea is to expand the kernel tests as much as possible (and we finally can test on both Intel and AMD)
[17:58] <hggdh> for bare-metal, of course
[18:00] <infinity> Oh, crap.  Does anyone use the lts-backports of these images?
[18:00] <infinity> linux-image-3.0.0-23-virtual | 3.0.0-23.38~lucid1 | lucid-updates | amd64, i386
[18:01] <infinity> linux-image-3.0.0-23-virtual | 3.0.0-23.38 | oneiric-updates | amd64
[18:01] <infinity> ^--- I should probably remove the ~lucid one as well, eh? :P
[18:01] <infinity> (And we should re-do that backport)
[18:01] <hggdh> infinity: also -- I confirm the kernel barfs
[18:01] <smb> utlemming, http://people.canonical.com/~smb/lp1026690/
[18:01] <utlemming> smb: testing now
[18:01] <infinity> hggdh: Good, good.
[18:02] <infinity> smb / bjf: Confirm that there will be a new lts-backport fasktracked to go with the oneiric update?  (and I'll pull the mirror one)
[18:03] <bjf> infinity: ack, will happen
[18:06] <utlemming> smb:
[18:06] <utlemming> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-3.0.0-23-virtual:
[18:06] <utlemming>  linux-image-3.0.0-23-virtual depends on wireless-crda; however:
[18:06] <utlemming>   Package wireless-crda is not installed.
[18:07]  * smb looks confused
[18:07] <smb> I would have thought we never removed that dependency for O
[18:09] <utlemming> smb: I'm not sure what happened there...I threw that instance away and tried again, and it now installed
[18:09] <utlemming> with out that error
[18:10] <utlemming> I'm rebooting now
[18:10] <utlemming> smb: fix confirmed
[18:10] <smb> utlemming, uname -a it showing the +102...?
[18:10] <utlemming> smb: Linux ip-10-110-55-78 3.0.0-23-virtual #38+1026690v1 SMP Thu Jul 19 17:33:51 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[18:11] <smb> utlemming, Ok, looks good then
[18:11] <utlemming> smb: boot log looks good too
[18:13] <bjf> hggdh: can you test smb's kernel as well to see if this fixes the issue for you as well?
[18:14] <hggdh> bjf: doing it now
[18:27] <hggdh> smb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1100576/
[18:28] <hggdh> smb: duh, missed a file
[18:28] <hggdh> smb: no, did not
[18:28] <hggdh> :-)
[18:29] <smb> hggdh, Not sure what you or utlemming do, the crda dependency should have been there all time
[18:29] <hggdh> smb: this one is missing linux-headers
[18:31] <smb> hggdh, a second, building the all headers
[18:33] <smb> hggdh, ok, its there now
[18:34] <hggdh> smb: thank you
[18:40] <hggdh> smb, bjf, infinity: it does reboot ok, running the tests now (should take ~ 1 hour)
[18:42] <infinity> We'll have to re-do all the testing again after we build the proper package.  Call me crazy, but "it boots properly" is probably enough to start the SRU PPA process?
[18:43] <henrix> bjf: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/henrix/ubuntu-oneiric.git
[18:43] <henrix> ups
[18:43] <henrix> smb: ^
[18:43] <infinity> bjf: And when that PPA upload lands, poke me, I'll make sure to score it through the roof on PPC to get it pushed through.
[18:43] <smb> henrix, looking
[18:44] <infinity> henrix: Or you. ;)
[18:44] <bjf> infinity: we're on it
[18:44] <henrix> infinity: ack, will do.
[18:46] <smb> henrix, looks ok.
[18:46] <henrix> smb: cool
[18:46] <smb> infinity, With the last version made going away, will this upload need -v to include all the changes from before?
[18:47] <smb> henrix, ^
[19:00] <henrix> smb: uploaded pkgs into zinc:~henrix/for-signing
[19:02] <infinity> smb: No.
[19:02] <infinity> smb: -v is just for the .changes
[19:03] <smb> infinity, That is what I tried to say. But we also decided that its probably not needed as the states of bugs and that all may already be right after the last upload
[19:03] <infinity> (And no point in that, since we long ago accepted the previous version)
[19:03] <infinity> This is a new bug, new version, new changelog, the -v would be pointless.
[19:04] <infinity> (Not that it would hurt terribly, it would just try to re-close all the old bugs again)
[19:04] <smb> infinity, Right, and agreed
[19:06] <slangasek> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1026761
[19:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1026761 in linux "Please enable CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK_DBGP" [Undecided,New]
[19:07] <smb> henrix, should be signed now
[19:13] <henrix> infinity: i'm about to upload the oneiric kernel
[19:13] <infinity> henrix: Kay.
[19:14] <henrix> infinity: done!
[19:17] <infinity> smb: Say, why are you "stephan-bader-canonical" instead of stealing ~smb?
[19:17] <infinity> smb: (We could totally get that unused account renamed and given to you)
[19:17] <infinity> stefan, even.
[19:24] <smb> infinity, Just because someone created that name for me (and iirc smb is already taken by someone ) and when thinking of getting the smb removed and me taking it over (because that somebody did not use it for years) I was a bit afraid of lp messup when transferring ids
[19:26] <smb> I read some pages about it and some said you may loose all your groups if it goes wrong
[19:26] <smb> (not so much caring about any karma )
[19:26] <smb> infinity, apw would certainly approve me changing given the amount of cursing I hear whenever he has to type the long thing
[19:27] <smb> ;)
[19:30] <smb> cking, blktrace was the package
[19:30] <cking> smb, thanks, I will look at that :-)
[19:37] <infinity> smb: It all works except for published PPAs.  And I suspect you wouldn't care about losing PPAs and having to recreate them.
[19:37] <ppisati> infinity: flash-kernel is broken
[19:37] <infinity> ppisati: More broken than usual?
[19:37] <smb> infinity, No, not really... Cannot even remember when I updated them last
[19:38] <infinity> smb: Yeah, we should talk to webops and do a hostile takeover of ~smb for you, then.
[19:38] <infinity> smb: The only other thing that would go wonky is work item tracking, but reclaiming all your work items wouldn't be rocket science.
[19:39] <smb> infinity, Right, and if I would loose some work items... hm, actually sounds rather good... :)
[19:39] <infinity> smb: Hahaha.
[19:40] <ppisati> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1100710/
[19:40]  * smb will think about it when he gets back
[19:40] <ppisati> infinity: it doesn't honor any /boot/boot.script anymore
[19:41] <infinity> ppisati: Special.  I can look at that later, perhaps, or you can bug Oli when he's up.
[19:42] <ppisati> infinity: i'll open a bug and assign it to... you/Oli?
[19:42]  * smb thinks its past GBT now...
[19:44] <infinity> ppisati: Open it and assign it to Oli, but give me the bug# on IRC, and I'll see if I can find time to poke it before he does.
[19:44] <ppisati> infinity: ack
[19:44] <infinity> smb: That's missing an L.
[19:44] <smb> infinity, Hm, or a D
[19:45] <smb> infinity, Depending whether we think about the same thing
[19:47] <infinity> smb: I was thinking LGBT.
[19:47] <smb> infinity, Lovely German Beer Time? :)
[19:49] <infinity> smb: Yeah, not quite. ;)
[19:50] <smb> infinity, Heh, yeah I see the web disagrees with me... :)
[19:53] <ppisati> bug 1026780
[19:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026780 in flash-kernel "3.0~rc.4ubuntu4 doesn't honor bootargs from /boot/boot.script anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026780
[19:53] <ppisati> infinity: ^
[19:59] <ppisati> infinity: ah, and btw, omap4 server doesn't start any console after the first reboot
[20:00] <ppisati> infinity: and since it's a server installation, with no X&c, it's useful as a heater in summer time
[20:04] <hggdh> bjf, smb, infinity: tests passed except for seccomp
[20:04] <bjf> hggdh: ack, thanks
[20:06] <infinity> hggdh: Was the "except for seccomp" bit expected?
[20:07] <hggdh> infinity: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1100755/
[20:07] <hggdh> infinity: we have a known issue there; I do not know it if classifies as a regression
[20:07] <infinity> Mmkay.
[20:07] <hggdh> jjohansen: ^
[20:18] <henrix> infinity: are you sure you didn't scored PPC build in the with wrong signal ('-' instead of a '+')? :)
[20:28] <infinity> henrix: It's scored way up, it was just behind a 2h openldap build.
[20:28] <infinity> henrix: The whole mess will take >5h after that anyway, so I figured it wasn't worth killing the openldap-in-progress over.
[20:28] <henrix> infinity: yeah, np. just joking :)
[20:29] <henrix> infinity: it always take *ages* anyway
[20:30] <infinity> We're working on the whole "new PPC hardware" thing, which should solve some of your sadness there.
[20:36] <bjf> infinity, what's the schedule for that comming online?
[20:37] <infinity> bjf: It needs to be purchased still, so I dunno.  There was some delay on my end with research, but it's been handed off to pgraner now.
[20:37] <infinity> (That is, I've said "hey, we should buy this" and washed my hands of it)
[20:38] <bjf> infinity, ah, it's one of those "in 5 years ..." things :-)
[20:38] <infinity> bjf: Not that it'll be a drastic improvement for the kernel use-case.  The pandas are still neck-and-neck with the current PPC hardware anyway.
[20:38] <infinity> But it will definitely keep PPC from being backlogged anymore.
[20:39] <infinity> Moving from 2-CPU 2GHz G5s to 6-core 3.7GHz POWER7s (well, if they buy what I asked) should give PPC breathing room for another decade.
[20:39] <infinity> At least, if the last decade with the current hardware is anything to go by.
[20:40] <infinity> (My god, we've been at this for a while...)
[20:47] <skaet> bjf,  you willing to take point on the incident report?   I need to run some errands, and want to make sure we have explicit handoff ;)    Since you've been making most of the updates recently...
[20:48] <jjohansen> hggdh: regression
[20:51] <jjohansen> hggdh: test the previous kernel, IFF that has the same failure we can call it not a regression
[20:51] <bjf> skaet: ack
[20:51] <hggdh> jjohansen: running it
[20:51] <skaet> thanks bjf
[20:51] <hggdh> bjf: ^
[20:51] <jjohansen> hggdh: then we can investigate why it hasn't been detected before
[21:08] <bdmurray> smb: could you have a look at bug 1026251 regarding kerneloops?
[21:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026251 in kerneloops "kerneloops assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/kerneloops: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x099254a0 ***" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026251
[21:09] <bjf> hggdh: ack
[21:24] <hggdh> jjohansen, bjf: this seccomp error is present since the -17 kernel, so it is *NOT* a regression
[21:24] <hggdh> jjohansen, bjf: only fails on m1.small on EC2, no record of failures on KVM or bare-metal
[21:25] <jjohansen> hggdh: okay, we will have to investigate why further, but for now lets just say it isn't a regression
[21:26] <bjf> infinity: ^ not a regression
[21:27] <hggdh> jjohansen, bjf: I reproduced it on the -17 (taken from the official Ubuntu images on AWS); I am still looking for an earlier kernel; NOW -- the saved logs I have from the original -17 run DO NOT show this error
[21:28] <infinity> bjf: shiny.
[21:28] <bjf> hggdh, you have been testing oneiric i386 (non ec2) haven't you?
[21:28] <hggdh> bjf: yes, as I said above, on KVM and bare-metal
[21:28] <ppisati> apw: ogasawara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/759913
[21:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 759913 in linux "musb driver doesn't attach on omap3" [Medium,Fix released]
[21:29] <hggdh> jjohansen, bjf: so it is starting to sound as something new in the test code
[21:40] <hggdh> jjohansen, bjf: I found it on the original -12 test. So it was there, then vanished, then reappeared. But, again, the original -17 run does not have it, and my just-finihsed rerun of -17 shows it
[21:40] <jjohansen> hggdh: okay thanks
[21:40] <hggdh> I dimly remember talking with kees about it at the time
[22:01] <jjohansen> hggdh: can you file a bug with the failure and boot logs etc, so we can use it to track this issue
[22:01] <hggdh> jjohansen: against the QRT, right?
[22:02] <ogasawara> ppisati: CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE_PADDED and CONFIG_USB_SISUSBVGA_CON are both =y only on omap4, care to investigate?
[22:02] <jjohansen> hggdh: sure that works
[22:02] <ogasawara> ppisati: it's set =n for all other flavors and arch's
[22:03] <ogasawara> ppisati: and CONFIG_USB_USBNET
[22:20] <ogasawara> ppisati: CONFIG_USB_INVENTRA_DMA=n on omap4, should it be =y?  its =y for omap3
[22:22] <ogasawara> ppisati: and CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS needs investigation for omap3 and omap4
[22:22] <ogasawara> ppisati: just fyi, this is what we're looking at -> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/configs/quantal/reviews/Portland.html
[22:31] <infinity> ogasawara: I can't be sure without deeper investigation, but CONFIG_USB_USBNET might be required for the hackish usb-boot "treat the device as a USB gadget" thing that some of these boards do.
[22:31] <infinity> (Though, now that I think about it, I can't see why that would be)
[22:31] <infinity> So maybe I'm just a victim of waking up grumpy and needing it to be beer o'clock.
[22:32] <ogasawara> infinity: doing an entire day of config review is driving me to drink
[22:32] <ppisati> nope
[22:32] <ppisati> USBNET is dependency for SMSC95XX
[22:33] <infinity> ogasawara: So, it's driving you to the status quo? ;)
[22:34] <ppisati> USB_SISUSBVGA_CON is totally useless
[22:34] <ppisati> it's about VGA/EGA framebuffer console
[22:35] <infinity> Huh.  A USB ethernet driver including usb/usbnet.h seems like a bit of an oops to me, but there it is.
[22:36] <infinity> Would take some effort to decouple it, as they use usbnet types.
[22:36] <infinity> Still seems entirely wrong. :P
[22:36] <ppisati> USB_SERIAL_SAFE_PADDED is the "USB Secure Encapsulated Driver - Padded", wtf?!?!
[22:36] <ppisati> infinity: you can't have SMSC95XX without USBNET
[22:36] <infinity> ppisati: I know, I can see that from reading the code.
[22:36] <ppisati> iirc USBNET "includes" drivers/net/usb/core
[22:37] <infinity> ppisati: I'm arguing that the driver is wrong, not the kernel config.
[22:37] <ppisati> and all the drivers/usb/net requires it
[22:37] <ppisati> so
[22:37] <ppisati> infinity: you are a smart guy
[22:37] <ppisati> :)
[22:38] <infinity> Or, I'm not up to date on the new and terrifying ways that people have conflated "usbnet" and "USB network drivers", if you say that others do the same.
[22:38] <infinity> s/network/NIC/
[22:38] <infinity> Given that usbnet didn't used to have anything to do with NICs at all and was, in fact, all about networking without a NIC.
[22:39] <infinity> Oh well.  Upstreams do silly things.  News at 11.
[22:44] <ppisati> ogasawara: default USB_INVENTRA_DMA if USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS
[22:44] <ppisati> ogasawara: and omap4plus_defconfig selects USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS
[22:44] <ppisati> ogasawara: now i wonder why it's off on omap3...
[22:45] <ppisati> ogasawara: wait
[22:46] <herton> infinity, we talked this week here about not publishing packages to -updates/-security on late friday/weekend, jjohansen told us about lack of man power if there is any fallout on weekend (especially for security team). We agreed that publishing should not be done between 18:00UTC Fri - 21:00UTC Sun, and would like to have all archive admins to be aware of that
[22:47] <infinity> herton: We tend to generally follow that rule for -updates anyway.
[22:48] <infinity> herton: We've even codified it in our SRU team policy that the person on Friday duty (slangasek) doesn't do promotions, only accepts to -proposed.
[22:48] <infinity> herton: Though, for kernels, I tend to do well over 90% of the AA/SRU stuff.
[22:49] <apw> infinity, all we are doing is asking you not to work on a friday then :)
[22:50] <herton> yes, nice, so I guess that's set for the kernel then. If anyone working on it doen't do on a Friday should be fine
[22:50] <infinity> I'll try my hardest to ignore you guys on Fridays.
[22:51] <infinity> The kernel we just rolled out will be an exception to that new rule. :P
[22:51] <infinity> Cause it'll be friday in a few parts of the world (if not all of them) by the time we release it.
[22:51] <infinity> And releasing it is the Right Thing To Do.
[22:51] <infinity> (Once we get some smoketesting to endure the build didn't break in any fun ways)
[22:51] <infinity> ensure, too.
[22:53] <herton> yes, this last oneiric kernel is an exception, no problem on releasing tomorrow I think. I changed the bot to also not set the promote to -updates/-security tasks to confirmed through late Friday-Sunday, as we talked about it as well and decided to do it in addition
[22:53] <ppisati> ogasawara: you were asking why USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS=y on omap3, right?
[22:53] <ppisati> ogasawara: that's a dependency of USB_MUSB_HDRC and that's =y on omap3
[22:54] <infinity> herton: +1 to the bot change, since I tend to not operate without its go-ahead.
[22:54] <ppisati> ogasawara: IMO we can make USB_MUSB_HDRC=m on omap3 too (and that should turn USB_MUSB_OMAP2PLUS=m on omap3 too)
[22:58]  * ppisati -> reboot
[23:04] <jwi> ogasawara: x86_powernow_* are still not autoloadable? meh, I thought that was supposed to land in 3.5
[23:05] <ogasawara> jwi: do you have a pointer to a discussion by chance?
[23:05]  * ogasawara add a work item to investigate
[23:09] <jwi> ogasawara: hm, 3.4 actually. fa8031aefec0cf7ea6c2387c93610d99d9659aa2 upstream
[23:10] <jwi> there should be similar patches for other x86 cpu features - coretemp, microcode, crypto and stuff
[23:58] <ogasawara> ppisati: USB_GPIO_VBUS one more to investigate
[23:58] <ogasawara> ppisati: it's =y for omap3, =m for all other arch's and flavors


[00:01] <Seeker`> elky: hi, btw :)
[00:02] <elky> short hi
[00:02]  * LjL thinks "icecream" is a perfectly valid word for "gelato" in english
[00:05] <elky> if you dont mind that gelato is not like conventional icecream
[00:06] <LjL> is it not?
[00:06] <elky> nope. ask your sister how icecream differs from gelato.
[00:06] <bazhang> not the same at all.
[00:07] <bazhang> gelato is yuck for starters.
[00:07] <elky> gelato is way sweeter and less creamy
[00:07] <LjL> elky, the "ice cream" article on wikipedia seems to describe gelato.
[00:08] <LjL> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelato basically says "it's gelato with a different name that is used in italy"
[00:09] <elky> read the second paragraph of the icecream page
[00:10] <mneptok> LjL: "sorbet" is more an English equivalent
[00:10] <mneptok> *shrug*
[00:10] <LjL> there is a word "sorbetto" in italian
[00:10] <LjL> and it's not the same as gelato at all
[00:10] <LjL> "sorbetto" has no milky components, "gelato" does
[00:11] <mneptok> LjL: there is the word "food" in English, and Italians find it to be heresy ;)
[00:11] <LjL> "cibo"?
[00:11] <LjL> substance apt or adaptable to be eaten?
[00:11] <mneptok> "Big Mac? FOOD?! Cosa tu fai?"
[00:12] <LjL> that something is "food" doesn't automatically make it a good idea to put it in your body.
[00:12] <LjL> unless you have no other choices.
[00:12] <Seeker`> @bansearch willie__
[00:12] <bazhang> #ubuntu-gaming is an official channel ?
[00:12] <LjL> nevertheless, it is food
[00:12] <LjL> bazhang: i remember something about it.
[00:13] <LjL> in other words, we probably were at some time aware of its existence, and didn't kill it.
[00:13] <bazhang> LjL, someone is asking about it in -irc
[00:13] <LjL> i know
[00:23] <elky> well, off to work i go
[00:23] <Seeker`> have fnu
[00:45] <maco> mr_bo_jangles just pasted some long string of escape sequences in #ubuntu
[00:45] <Seeker`> yeah
[00:45] <Seeker`> setreuid(geteuid, geteuid) + execve(/bin/sh)
[00:45] <Seeker`> any idea what that would do?
[00:46] <maco> manpages...lets see...
[00:46] <Seeker`> (I was just looking in to it)
[00:46] <LjL> hah
[00:46] <maco> what? manpages-dev is a useful package
[00:46] <LjL> no, i was just laughing about the string itself
[00:47] <Seeker`> 'm guessing that it opens a "root" shell
[00:47] <maco> that's what i would guess too
[00:47] <maco> but it looks like it's C so just executing it on the cli shouldn't do anything....right?
[00:47] <LjL> yeah i'm also guessing it doesn't unless you actually compile it, though
[00:47] <LjL> probably taken from some buffer exploit
[00:48] <LjL> not very useful by itself
[00:48] <maco> geteuid is the UID of the calling process
[00:48] <Seeker`> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6272
[00:48] <maco> sets the real user id to match the effective user id
[00:50] <maco> Linux: If the real user ID is set or the effective user ID is set to  a
[00:50] <maco>        value  not  equal  to  the previous real user ID, the saved set-user-ID
[00:50] <maco>        will be set to the new effective user ID.
[00:50] <maco> so i dont *think* it can change the uid that way
[00:50] <Seeker`> xray7224 complained to mr_bo_jangles when I kicked him
[00:50] <Seeker`> (kicked xray7224)
[00:59] <LjL> oh lord sebsebseb made his own channel
[00:59] <LjL> should have expected it
[01:04] <Seeker`> billisnice: how can we hlep you?
[01:04] <billisnice> is this ubuntu?
[01:05] <LjL> what does the name suggest?
[01:05] <billisnice> not sure, i been lost for a few days  lol
[01:06] <LjL> have you followed the instructions to fix the router issue?
[01:06] <billisnice> how do i set up chatzilla to get ubuntu? i get it says =-= YOU are now known as billisnice2  but there is no one in the room buy me
[01:06] <LjL> if so, have you asked the bots for a test?
[01:06] <billisnice> i did and keep getting [error]
[01:07] <LjL> [error]?
[01:07] <LjL> care to try again please?
[01:07] <billisnice> 	Connection to irc://irc.example.org/ (irc://irc.example.org/) timed out. [Help] Reconnecting in 8 minutes. [Cancel]
[01:08] <billisnice> still no go
[01:08] <billisnice> i use to connect for yrs without server errors
[01:08] <billisnice> only recently i got errors
[01:08] <LjL> i meant, care to try again *asking for a test* on the bots channel?
[01:09] <LjL> ah dear watson
[01:10] <bazhang> wonder if sebsebseb will tell people to /j #mychan while he is in #ubuntu
[01:10] <LjL> billisnice: you really need to change the port you connect to to 8001
[01:10] <bazhang> he did that before with #megworld or somesuch
[01:10] <Seeker`> aha, mr_bo_jangles was in #megworld
[01:10] <billisnice> how do i change the port?
[01:10] <billisnice> what command do i type in?
[01:11] <billisnice> chatzilla
[01:11] <LjL> i don't know in chatzilla
[01:11] <LjL> how about a real client?
[01:11] <billisnice> what works with windows? I have windows for work at home
[01:12] <LjL> ah, windows, tricky.
[01:12] <LjL> billisnice: try /server irc.freenode.net 8001
[01:14] <billisnice> does not work, i get *NickServ*	This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.	=-=	User mode for Administrator_ is now +
[01:14] <LjL> that doesn't mean it didn't work.
[01:14] <LjL> it simply means it's complaining that the nickname "billisnice" is already taken, and it is, by yourself.
[01:15] <billisnice> when i change my name to billisnice 2, it is only me in the room
[01:15] <LjL> in *what* room
[01:16] <LjL> billisnice2 doesn't appear to be in any "room".
[01:17] <LjL> billisnice why don't you try asking in #freenode or ##windows, perhaps someone is using chatzilla there
[01:17] <maco> billisnice: you can get XChat for Windows from http://silverex.org
[01:17] <maco> (for the record, it was the "rejecting keyboard input"  reason from my Quit message)
[01:17] <maco> LjL: i think he means he wants to be billisnice but keeps being told it's registered to someone else and so he's being kicked to billisnice2
[01:18] <billisnice> i am saving xchat
[01:18] <billisnice> i will run the exe when it downloads
[01:18] <LjL> maco: at any rate, /server is only a temporary solution that isn't really ideal.
[01:19] <maco> Chatzilla probably has somewhere to put the port in the preferences
[01:19] <maco> he just hasn't found it yet
[01:19] <LjL> well i can't help, i've never even seen chatzilla's interface
[01:19] <bazhang> its bad
[01:21] <billisnice> x chat, what do i add?
[01:21] <maco> in the xchat preferences, wherever its says 6667 with Freenode, change the 6667 to 8001
[01:22] <billisnice> where do i start with x chat to get to ubuntu?
[01:22] <bazhang> settings -->preferences
[01:22] <maco> ....or update your router's firmware because running outdated firmware with no security patches isn't really the smartest thing to do
[01:22] <billisnice> what network do i use?
[01:23] <maco> irc.freenode.net port 8001
[01:23] <LjL> maco, most of those routers don't have updated firmware that fixes this issue to begin with
[01:23] <maco> or ipv6.freenode.net if you've got that :P
[01:24] <maco> LjL: really? i thought it only affected firmwares that were a few years old
[01:24] <LjL> i don't think so
[01:24] <LjL> or at least - yes, but either there's no updates for them, or the updates fix other things but not this
[01:25] <maco> yuck
[01:27] <billisnice> i give up for now
[01:27] <billisnice> i can not get x chat to work
[01:31] <maco> huh?
[01:31] <billisnice> i am to dumb for x chat
[01:31] <billisnice> unless you have good examples of how to use it somewhere
[01:31] <maco> http://www.linuxchix.org/connecting-linuxchix-irc-using-xchat.html
[01:32] <maco> where the directions say irc.linuxchix.org/6667 use irc.freenode.net/8001
[01:36] <billisnice> maybe we can try another time
[01:36] <billisnice> i am so confused
[01:42] <Seeker`> billisnice: if there is nothing else we can do to help, please don't idle in here
[02:11] <LjL> aaand now, sebsebseb joined the other channel too :)
[02:11] <Seeker`> "the other channel"?
[02:12] <LjL> the one that i normally refrain from have the name of logged.
[02:12] <Pici> The one I used to have on hilight
[02:13] <LjL> part of the reason why i don't mention the name of it.
[02:15] <LjL> i mean - wait, not that i would mention a chance to gratuitously highlight people
[02:15] <LjL> that's not what i meant
[02:15] <LjL> s/mention/miss/
[02:19] <maco> does it have anything to do with a club?
[02:19] <Pici> Indeed
[02:37] <bazhang> ##trollpit ?
[02:40] <LjL> it's kinda past the trollpit stage to be honest
[03:36] <Panarchy> hi
[03:36] <Seeker`> hi
[03:36] <Panarchy> I wasn't banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, yet Pici banned me from it, giving reason as 'Evading ban'
[03:37] <Panarchy> Please allow me to connect back to it
[03:37] <Pici> I see a valid ban for you there
[03:37] <Panarchy> Nope
[03:37] <Panarchy> Just the 1 you did
[03:37] <Panarchy> I can't connect to #ubuntu
[03:37] <Panarchy> I tried, then I remembered I was banned
[03:38] <Panarchy> But I was never banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:38] <Pici> I disagree. There is a ban for you there.
[03:39] <Seeker`> I can see an active ban in that channel for Panarchy
[03:39] <Panarchy> Really? Well no one ever told me I was banned
[03:39] <Seeker`> Panarchy: you were there when you were kicked
[03:39] <Panarchy> Seeker`: Probably because Pici just banned me
[03:40] <Panarchy> Yes, but I was banned from evading a ban that didn't exist!
[03:40] <Seeker`> Panarchy: Set by someone other than Pici
[03:40] <Seeker`> It was set a month ago
[03:40] <Panarchy> o?
[03:40] <Panarchy> Who by?
[03:40] <Pici> Panarchy: I see enough notes for you to know that this ban is valid
[03:40] <Panarchy> nup
[03:40] <Panarchy> I have a valid ban for #ubuntu
[03:40] <Panarchy> But not for #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:40] <Pici> I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will not be removing the ban that I have set.
[03:41] <Panarchy> dickhead
[03:41] <Seeker`> :/
[03:41] <Pici> Thats not helping your chances either
[03:42] <Seeker`> bedtime for me
[03:42] <bazhang> night
[03:42] <Pici> goodnight
[04:41] <jussi01> hiya maco, Did you need something?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: What's this waffling about FLOSS involvement somehoworother I'm hearing about?  (140 chars doesn't explain much)
[04:46] <nixternal> looking to possibly get involved in a new free software project elsewhere
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> such as?
[05:23] <maco> jussi01: no sorry...quassel just rejoined when i got back on the computer, sorry
[05:42] <phix> hey, I still seem to be banned, it isn't 2 days yet?
[05:42] <phix> LjL: <3
[06:58] <mneptok> @btlogin
[06:59] <mneptok> @login
[07:01] <mneptok> phix: the removal of bans is dependent on attitude and a sense that behavior will not be repeated, not time.
[07:04]  * mneptok prods phix
[07:08] <mneptok> well, since you you're not listening ...
[08:37] <Chr|s> hey folks, anyone here use irssi?
[08:37] <Chr|s> how do you op yourselves? I am trying to op/deop myself in my channel, but I am unable to use the /op and /deop command
[08:43] <jussi01> Chr|s: /msg chanserv op #channel nickname
[08:43] <jussi01> you alias it...
[08:43] <evilGary> Chr|s: I have a alias - op quote cs op $C
[08:44] <jussi01> evilGary: oh hai
[08:44] <evilGary> and cs is also alias'd to msg chanserv
[08:45] <evilGary> if you do not put a nickname, it tries to op you, this way my alias can op others via /op nick
[08:45] <Chr|s> I just binded  two buttongs that I can't type in here now lol
[08:45] <Chr|s> how do I do an alias
[08:45] <evilGary> Chr|s: /alias op quote chanserv op $C
[08:47] <Chr|s> ahh ok :)
[08:49] <Chr|s> will that deop as well?
[08:52] <evilGary> this will add that /alias deop quote chanserv op $C -$N
[08:53] <topyli> i'm lazy, so i just use auto_bleh.pl, or chanserv.py in xchat
[08:54] <evilGary> I prefer to know what I am doing, even if it is all wrong
[08:55] <topyli> ignorance is bliss!
[08:55] <evilGary> stupidity is better
[08:55] <topyli> true true
[09:10] <Chr|s> :)
[09:10] <ikonia> morning
[09:11] <Chr|s> one more question, I binded the number one and two keys to op and deop, now I can't use them whatsoever, how do I delete the binds without being able to actually press number one or two :(
[09:12] <ikonia> Chr|s: try #irrsi
[09:14] <Chr|s> alright just thought id ask here since I had a question how ops op and deop using irssi
[09:14] <Myrtti> Chr|s: http://myrtti.fi/temp/irssialias.txt
[09:14] <ikonia> #irssi is the best place for irssi support
[09:14] <Myrtti> also...
[09:14] <Myrtti> http://koti.phnet.fi/~laxstrom/page/eng/irssi
[09:15] <Chr|s> Myrtti: thanks
[09:16] <Myrtti> anything else?
[09:18] <ikonia> LjL: ping
[09:43] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[09:46] <ikonia> jussi01: pong
[09:47] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[09:49] <zhxk> hello, may i ask in #ubuntu now?
[09:56] <zhxk> hello, may i ask in #ubuntu now? anybody help me taggle off the targ?
[09:56] <elky> let me refresh my memory
[09:58] <zhxk> thanks, ok now?
[09:58] <elky> no, i'm still looking up what you did
[09:59] <zhxk> well, trivial joke
[09:59] <Myrtti> in the totally wrong place
[10:00] <ikonia> the ban dodging is my issue
[10:01] <ikonia> persistntly may I add
[10:01] <elky> yes, i'm seeing that too
[10:01] <ikonia> I have pm history that shows ths "I didn't know I was doing it" is a lies
[10:01] <ikonia> that is my main issue
[10:03] <elky> ikonia, he's even dodged your current #u ban twice
[10:03] <zhxk> well, you've said come here in a week, i think it's time now
[10:03] <elky> zhxk, no, you broke rules *yesterday*
[10:03] <ikonia> elky: I was aware of once,
[10:03] <ikonia> really,
[10:03] <zhxk> what rules?
[10:04] <zhxk> it must be a mistake
[10:04] <elky> zhxk, 'no ban dodging' is a rule. you broke that repeatedly.
[10:05] <zhxk> how would cause a ban dodging?
[10:06] <elky> when you use a different internet connection
[10:07] <zhxk> en, so in a week again?
[10:08] <elky> no, two weeks this time.
[10:08] <elky> you must not even try to join #ubuntu until two weeks from now.
[10:10] <zhxk> well, do me a favor to band that connections too, so that a unconsciously mistake wont happen
[10:11] <elky> zhxk, are you even using ubuntu? your screenshot posted yesterday does not look like it.
[10:12] <zhxk> i have many distro on the pc, i'll give you the screenshot to ubuntu immediately
[10:13] <elky> zhxk, stop asking for support for the other distros in ubuntu channels.
[10:13] <elky> http://imagebin.ca/view/uyvPo7.html <-- this is not ubuntu. it is *not* appropriate to ask for a fix in #ubuntu. at all.
[10:14] <zhxk> http://imagebin.ca/view/H0xe2TmC.html
[10:15] <elky> zhxk, i did not ask for a screenshot.
[10:15] <elky> zhxk, i want you to understand that #ubuntu is not the right place to ask for help with Other distros.
[10:16] <zhxk> well, someguy says that that tool is made for ubuntu as there is a red circle beside the "help"
[10:19] <elky> zhxk, just because applications exist in both Ubuntu and Debian does not mean we support Debian's version of them. Debian is not Ubuntu. We do not support software they distribute.
[10:19] <zhxk> i had been asking that question in it's own distro channel. but someguy said that probably it's made by a member of ubuntu team, so i have to do that
[10:19] <ikonia> there is a whole web of miss-communication here as the last questions you where asking about was building an arm-tools chain for cross-lfs
[10:19] <elky> zhxk, that guy was lying.
[10:20] <ikonia> again - that is nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:20] <zhxk> well, ubuntu have the same problem
[10:21] <ikonia> I think you may not have a clear definition of what IS ubuntu and what isn't part of ubuntu
[10:21] <ikonia> zhxk: ubuntu doesn't have a problem with it
[10:22] <zhxk> welldone, someone just fixed it
[10:23] <elky> zhxk, when you boot into debian, it will not be fixed.
[10:24] <zhxk> well, before to mail, i've checked it on ubuntu, that problem really exists
[10:25] <zhxk> maybe it was fixed by a mindless update
[10:26] <zhxk> well, there is another problem that i want to ask, sshd stops as soon as i left gnome to gdm
[10:27] <Flannel> zhxk: This is not an appropriate place for support questions.
[10:30] <ikonia> zhxk: I will spell this out for you - did you try to get into #ubuntu the other day - get an error that you "cannot join the channel because you are banned" ?
[10:30] <zhxk> Flannel:i can't join #ubuntu
[10:31] <Flannel> zhxk: That doesn't mean you can be offtopic in other channels.
[10:32] <ikonia> actually, I'll not step on elky's toes and back away
[10:32] <elky> ikonia, no, please continue
[10:32] <zhxk> ikonia:even that casual try should be punished also?
[10:33] <ikonia> zhxk: answer the question
[10:33] <ikonia> zhxk: did you get a message that says "cannot join channel you are banned"
[10:34] <zhxk> yup
[10:34] <ikonia> zhxk: did you then try to get into the channel changing your nicname and ip address ?
[10:36] <zhxk> well, i havn't intently evade the ban since our last talk
[10:36] <ikonia> zhxk: yes or no - did you change your nickname and IP address to join #ubuntu
[10:36] <elky> zhxk, when you were banned, did you use a different computer to connect?
[10:38] <zhxk> well, i always use this nick name eversince, though today get another nick so called zhxk` cause i didn't mentioned that another client app is running
[10:39] <ikonia> zhxk: did myself / stew not explain to you that trying to join a channel you are banned from is called "ban evading" and is bad
[10:39] <elky> zhxk, how often do you restart your modem?
[10:41] <zhxk> well, once uncautiously noticed that it's ok to join #ubuntu on ubuntu, but quite immediately as our assumpsit
[10:41] <elky> zhxk, how do you connect to the internet?
[10:42] <ikonia> actually I'm going to put an end to this now
[10:42] <zhxk> adsl
[10:42] <ikonia> 1.) you have been banned - yet you still keep trying to connect
[10:42] <ikonia> 2.) stew / myself has explained what ban dodging is
[10:42] <ikonia> 3.) your IP range is all over the place - so you are not connecting from one place you are trying multiple networks to get around bans
[10:43] <ikonia> 4.) you change your nickname bush/george/zhxk' zhxk_ to get around bans
[10:43] <ikonia> you %100 know what you are doing - as you are talking about advanced topics like arm cross compiling
[10:43] <zhxk> I quit immediately after realised that, really
[10:43] <ikonia> so therefore I can only assume you are doing this on purpose
[10:44] <ikonia> I have nothing more to say on the matter as I am confident your behavioru is intentional
[10:44] <ikonia> behaviour
[10:46] <elky> i agree. we've given him enough chances, yet he still misuses the channels as recently as yesterday
[10:47] <zhxk> well, it's undeserved
[10:48] <zhxk> zhxk_ may bcause the client atuto choosed for try while zhxk is unsuccessful
[10:50] <elky> zhxk, that does not excuse the ip change.
[10:51] <zhxk> ip change is just because anoter dial to adsl
[10:52] <elky> why did it need another dial?
[10:53] <zhxk> dunno the serious result yet before your explaination
[10:54] <elky> what explanation?
[10:55] <zhxk> it's not good to evade a ban
[10:56] <elky> you've already had that explained to you many times.
[10:57] <Myrtti> is this getting anywhere?
[10:57] <Myrtti> I think it's not
[10:57] <Myrtti> zhxk: welcome back in two weeks.
[10:57] <zhxk> Myrtti:okay, it's deserved
[10:58] <jussi01> heh
[10:59] <elky> zhxk, you should not stay in this channel for the two weeks.
[10:59] <zhxk> before that i may have solved the just-found problem elsewhere
[10:59] <Myrtti> schule.bremen...
[10:59] <Myrtti> zhxk: good for you
[10:59] <zhxk> okay, good for you also
[10:59] <Myrtti> zhxk: again, welcome back in two weeks
[11:00] <zhxk> thanks you
[11:00] <Myrtti> until then, please leave the channel
[11:00] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/164815/
[11:01] <Myrtti> feel free to clear out any bans you consider unneeded
[11:01] <ikonia> lindbohm.freenode.net /mode -b [c0re]!*@*
[11:01] <ikonia> didn't want that to go
[11:02] <elky> ikonia, reinstate it then
[11:02] <ikonia> I think I must have been in a coma, as there are modes of me remocing panarchy/curtis and others
[11:02] <ikonia> and fujisan
[11:03] <Myrtti> ikonia: lolwhut?
[11:04] <elky> that's panarchy's name?
[11:04] <Myrtti> ikonia: that list is just bans from #ubuntu
[11:04] <evilGary> there is my one
[11:04] <Myrtti> it's made so that if you want to, you can easily check which bans are yours and remove them after you've checked them
[11:04] <ikonia> 67 ikonia /mode -b panarchy!*@*
[11:04] <ikonia> did I do that ?/?
[11:04] <Myrtti> ikonia: no?
[11:04] <ikonia> ooh wait
[11:04] <ikonia> I see what you've done
[11:04] <Myrtti> as I said...
[11:05] <ikonia> I'm not in a coma - just stupid
[11:05] <ikonia> Myrtti: nice formatting
[11:05] <Myrtti> not stupid, just a bit slow
[11:05] <evilGary> I'm stupid
[11:05] <evilGary> nice pastebin Myrtti
[11:06] <Myrtti> evilGary: takes only two aliases in irssi and one sed/awk script in bash ;-)
[11:06] <Myrtti> if you want that in plaintext, then add plain after the UID
[11:07] <ikonia> should we just clean up the floodbot ones in genera l?
[11:07] <ikonia> I can see a fair few that can be cleaned down from floodbots
[11:07] <Myrtti> ikonia: I think someone would need to check how old they are
[11:07] <Myrtti> and also clear the bans with -monitor
[11:07] <ikonia> yup
[11:07] <ikonia> seems sensible
[11:08] <Myrtti> I don't know what's the best way of doing that so I've never done it
[11:08] <elky> hrm... i am lacking drinkable things here... and icecream
[11:08] <elky> more importantly, icecream
[11:08]  * Myrtti huggles jussi01
[11:08] <ikonia> Myrtti: I'll see if a bit of sed and bc magic will work it out from the ban list
[11:10] <Myrtti> ikonia: or date -d
[11:10] <Myrtti> myrtti@reipas:~$ date -d "8 months ago"
[11:10] <Myrtti> Fri Sep  5 13:10:32 EEST 2008
[11:11] <ikonia> slicker
[11:11] <Myrtti> (learnt that today)
[11:28] <ikonia> adding _ to the end of the nick doesn't get you around your ban ;)
[11:49] <bullgard5> In #ubuntu-de steht im Topic: " News: Jaunty/9.04 ist draussen." Bitte ändern in "Die neueste freigegebene Ubuntu-Version ist Jaunty/9.04."
[11:53] <ikonia> bullgard5: ?
[11:53] <ikonia> bullgard5: what's up?
[11:53] <bullgard5> ikonia: For German eyes only. :-)
[11:54] <ikonia> bullgard5: ok - but what is the problem you need help with ?
[11:55] <bullgard5> ikonia: I cannot change the topic of the channel #ubuntu-de myself. The topic is outdated.
[11:55] <ikonia> bullgard5: ok, so speak to one of the operators of that channel , or ask in #ubuntu-irc if one of the operators is available
[11:56] <bullgard5> Did I not speak to the operators of that channel by placing a message here?
[11:57] <ikonia> no
[11:57] <ikonia> #ubuntu-irc is for loco operators
[11:58] <bullgard5> Well, I see. I will turn to #ubuntu-irc.
[11:58] <ikonia> thanks
[11:59] <bullgard5> But there is none German speaking name listet at the moment.
[12:00] <ikonia> bullgard5: how do you know there are no german operators in that channel ?
[12:00] <bullgard5> I looked up the name list.
[12:00] <ikonia> where ?
[12:00] <bullgard5> in #ubuntu-irc
[12:01] <ikonia> so how do you know none of them are ubuntu-de operators ?
[12:02] <bullgard5> By matching the entries in that list with those active in #ubuntu-de.
[12:02] <ikonia> bullgard5: the opertors don't have to be active in channels, check the access list from chanserve with "access #ubuntu-de list"
[12:06] <ikonia> bullgard5: everything sorted ?
[12:21] <Myrtti> bullgard5: hello?
[12:21] <bullgard5> hello
[12:22] <Myrtti> bullgard5: did you need help with anything else?
[12:23] <bullgard5> no
[12:28] <Myrtti> !idle | bullgard5
[12:34] <ikonia> he never asked in #ubuntu-irc
[12:38] <elky> i think the de ops have their own channel.. not sure
[12:39] <ikonia> oh really, I didn't know that
[12:39] <elky> hrm, no. unless 'verein' is something like that
[12:40] <elky> 'verein' means 'organisation' or 'joint' so i suspect it's appropriate
[12:45] <elky> i'm surprised we havent seen much cinco de mayo trouble this year
[12:46] <elky> i suspect those'll hit later in the mexican day
[12:54] <Pici> ola
[12:58] <ikonia> hello
[13:14] <ikonia> LjL: is MIA today
[13:15] <Pici> ikonia: panarchy returned last night
[13:16] <Pici> Was in -offtopic on a mibbit login, refused to acknowledge that he was evading a ban. Too bad for him.
[13:17] <ikonia> Pici: yes, I wanted to talk to ljl about how/why the floodbots excepted him
[13:17] <ikonia> excempted even
[13:17] <ikonia> he got into ubuntu using mibbit with the nick panarchy which I thought the floodbots would see in the db and not let him in
[13:18] <ikonia> hopefully ljl will give me a bot lesson when he's next free
[13:30] <popey> no bots?
[13:30] <popey> hittt is giving duff advice
[13:37] <ikonia> looking now
[13:38] <ikonia> !ping
[13:38] <popey> getting a bit of sillyness from hitt with rm
[13:38] <ikonia> yeah, I'mn on it
[13:40] <ikonia> Pricey: who was that you did ?
[13:41] <Pricey> aq RedMachineD
[13:41] <ikonia> cool
[13:41] <ikonia> on it
[13:42] <Pricey> Wonder where they're from.
[13:42] <ikonia> dunno, but it's a tag team effort
[13:43] <elky> ikonia, he returned quick... did you get him in PM?
[13:43] <Pricey> mrefg is suspect... i think he's just playing it slow?
[13:43] <ikonia> elky: who ?
[13:43] <ikonia> Pricey: concur,
[13:44] <popey> agreed
[13:44]  * Pricey resists jokes about australia's internet & dialup
[13:44] <ikonia> ha
[13:44] <popey> i smell troll
[13:44] <Pici> Ugh. I go away for a few minutes...
[13:44] <Pricey> popey: i'm sorry i didn't mean it!
[13:45]  * popey wafts
[13:45] <Pici> elky jinxed us.
[13:46] <Pricey> hmm !support has changed lately?
[13:46] <Pricey> or am i just slow on that one
[13:48] <ikonia> ok - normality is back I think
[13:48] <popey> heh
[13:49] <Pricey> indus: is next on my list
[13:49] <ikonia> get in the queue
[13:50] <ikonia> I had him at the top of mine
[13:51] <ikonia> hackoidz ...any bets ?
[13:51] <bazhang> yep
[13:52] <ikonia> Pricey: check out nirc
[13:53] <Pricey> ikonia: hmm?
[13:53] <ikonia> nirc = posting porn links
[13:53] <ikonia> multiple channels by th elook
[13:53] <Pricey> I only have 5 minutes.
[13:53] <ikonia> can't be certain, hence check it out
[13:53] <ikonia> rubbish !
[13:54] <ikonia> no problem
[13:54] <Pricey> Quit.
[13:54] <ikonia> gone anyway, he was on the aussie network too, looks like there is an aussie troll pit somewhere
[13:54]  * ikonia suggests #panarchy ?
[13:54] <ikonia> ;)
[13:55] <Pricey> bah really?
[13:55] <ikonia> nah, #panarchy was me kidding
[13:55] <ikonia> but it does look like aussie's are having a play day
[13:57] <Pricey> I'm off. Good luck, staffers are about though hopefully they've moved on now.
[13:57] <ikonia> looks better now
[13:57] <ikonia> thanks
[13:58] <ikonia> another aussie gone
[13:58] <bazhang> long time arch troll
[13:58] <ikonia> oh really
[13:58] <ikonia> I wonder if they are all in arch
[13:59] <popey> not in archlinux-offtopic
[13:59] <popey> first place I looked
[13:59] <bazhang> I would set a ban next time jellygen starts up
[13:59] <ikonia> he's banned now
[13:59] <popey> ahh, jelly is
[13:59] <ikonia> problem solved
[13:59] <ikonia> #archlinux-offtopic
[14:00] <ikonia> they are discussing it now
[14:00] <bazhang> he has an odd way of showing up right when trolls attack
[14:00] <ikonia> they are chatting about it in #archlinux-offtopic
[14:01] <bazhang> wonder if mrefg was MrElendig
[14:02] <ikonia> @bansearch TheZanke
[14:25]  * genii sips
[14:26] <genii> I see there was more talk about the 4chan thing.
[14:30] <elky> dear 4chan, please die. preferably painfully. no love, elky.
[14:31] <Pici> +1
[14:32] <genii-konv> My Quassel seem on the fritz again today, apologies
[14:36]  * genii-konv pokes at jussi01_
[14:53] <genii-konv> OK I'll try my usual nick again and see if stable yet....
[14:53]  * genii sips
[15:05] <genii> Hm. Trying to sort out my buffer views (my channel lists aren't showing properly). May be bouncing from /away and /back for a bit
[15:19] <genii-konv> Gah.
[15:20] <genii-konv> @time helsinki
[15:20] <genii-konv> Ah, right, doesn't work here
[15:27] <genii-konv> Back shortly
[15:27] <topyli> genii decided to fly to helsinki, see what time it is
[15:28] <Pici> tsimpson: Looks like ubottu has been having trouble grabbing bug info from Launchpad as of late.  Is this a bot issue or something with launchpad?
[15:28] <ikonia> Pici: I think it's had dbopen() function problems in general
[15:28] <ikonia> Pici: I'm wondering if that's why it missed panarchy and a few others
[15:29] <Pici> ikonia: ubottu, not floodbot
[15:29] <tsimpson> Pici: it's launchpad timing out as far as I can tell, I haven't changed the code for Bugtracker in months
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: ahhh
[15:29] <Pici> ikonia: And it didn't miss panarchy, he was in -offtopic, there are no floodbots there.
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: he joined ubuntu too
[15:29] <ikonia> 03:42 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by FloodBot2
[15:30] <Pici> ikonia: If cb37e1fe doesnt corrispond to the ip that was banned, the floodbot doesn't know any better.
[15:30] <ikonia> Pici: what about the name ban
[15:30] <ikonia> as in nick ban
[15:30] <Pici> ikonia: I wan't aware one was in place.
[15:31] <topyli> genii: 17:30
[15:31] <ikonia> 03:42 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by FloodBot2
[15:31] <genii-around> topyli: ?
[15:31] <ikonia> oops
[15:31] <ikonia> sorry
[15:31] <ikonia> #ubuntu panarchy!*@*
[15:31] <ikonia> that's in place
[15:31] <topyli> 17:20 < genii-kon> @time helsinki
[15:32] <Pici> Thats a bug then
[15:33] <genii-around> topyli: Ah, thanks. Trying to deduce when jussi might be awake/here/working on current prob with server.
[15:33] <genii-around> Is other stuff down like BT too?
[15:33] <tsimpson> fwiw, there is a +viewstatus for bugs in LP which is often quicker to load, but it's HTML only, currently it uses +text
[15:34] <tsimpson> genii-around: only jussi01.com is down
[15:34] <genii-around> tsimpson: OK, thanks
[15:35] <tsimpson> and I haven't gotten around to making @time work for non-identified users yet
[15:35] <tsimpson> @time helsinki
[15:35] <Pici> supybot can be annoying sometimes
[15:36] <tsimpson> s/can be/is/ ; s/ sometimes//
[15:36] <topyli> hehe
[15:37] <tsimpson> it's just not complex enough, which is probably a good thing for 99% of use cases
[15:37] <tsimpson> but we are in that 1%
[15:38] <Pici> I was just trying to get it to store the last requested query for a weather plugin, and it doesn't support storing user registry values if the user isn't registered
[16:04] <genii-around> I have to /away probably 20-25 minutes (work)
[16:21] <MenZa> What's with ubottu? :(
[16:21] <LjL> MenZa: it doesn't like your face
[16:22] <Pici> I told it to restart
[16:22] <Pici> But then it saw MenZa :/
[16:22] <tsimpson> there was (for some reason) 4 instances of it running...
[16:22] <Pici> er
[16:22]  * LjL eyes pici
[16:22] <Pici> The restart page said that it couldnt find a running process.
[16:23] <Pici> LjL: I only started it once
[16:23] <tsimpson> because I killed them all (MU-HA-HA-HA)
[16:23] <Pici> I know better then to mash on a button to make something start
[16:23] <Pici> Thats only a last resort <.<
[16:23] <LjL> Pici: do you?
[16:23] <LjL> ah, i say
[16:23] <LjL> although the actual last resort is mashing on the *keyboard*
[16:24] <tsimpson> something was up with it and the CAPAB-IDENTIFY-MSG stuff
[16:24] <Pici> odd
[16:25] <tsimpson> I tried quitting it but it said "Not replying to +quit, not a command"
[16:25] <MenZa> Pici→ :(
[16:25]  * MenZa runs away crying.
[16:25] <tsimpson> which, I know, means that it's not interpreting the +/- stuff right
[16:30] <Pici> tsimpson: Thanks for restarting :)
[16:31] <tsimpson> :)
[16:32] <Pici> tsimpson: While you're at it, could you get ubottu out of -bugs?
[16:32] <tsimpson> ubottu: part #ubuntu-bugs
[16:33] <Pici> Thanks again
[16:33] <LjL> tsimpson: and while you're at it, could you get bugs out of ubottu as well?
[16:34]  * tsimpson thinks about it...
[16:34] <tsimpson> umm, no :)
[16:34] <LjL> fair enough
[16:34] <Pici> Those bugs are what give ubottu her character
[16:35] <tsimpson> there actually aren't that many "bugs"
[16:35] <tsimpson> mostly just things that are missing/wanted
[18:11]  * genii-around prods jussi01 experimentally with a spoon
[18:14] <jussi01> genii-around: had a few networkm probs today - up again now
[18:19] <genii-around> jussi01: OK, I'll swap back to Quassel shortly....
[18:22]  * genii sips experimentally
[18:23] <genii> Much better :)
[18:36]  * stew tries to figure out why joeyy is lighting up his /hilight
[18:36] <Pici> ugh oh
[18:53] <genii> Was anything aver decided on the 4chan subject?
[18:53] <genii> *ever
[18:56] <stew> do you guys know that chat.ubuntu.com no longer resolves?
[18:56] <stew> lots of people asking about this in #freenode
[18:57] <Pici> wfm
[18:57] <stew> ** server can't find chat.ubuntu.com.: NXDOMAIN from all three of ns[123].cannonical.com
[18:57] <stew> err
[18:57] <stew> wait, am i on drugs
[18:57] <stew> ignore me, these people have me confused
[18:59] <Pici> stew: dig @ns1.canonical.com irc.ubuntu.com    reports that its a cname for chat.freenode.net
[18:59] <stew> yes
[18:59] <stew> i got confused there for a second
[18:59] <stew> but we suddenly have 4 or 5 ubuntu users in #freenode not able to connect to irc.ubuntu.com, but chat.freenode.net is working for them
[19:03] <Pricey> we're looking into it
[19:03] <Pici> Pricey: We as in freenode?
[19:03] <Pricey> Pici: sorry, yep.
[19:04] <Pricey> Pici: but yep, use chat.freenode.net, or things like chat.us.freenode.net or chat.eu.freenode.net
[19:21] <genii-around> Thought so
[19:22] <genii-around> Looks like the server issues still aren't resolved .....
[19:22] <Seeker`> :/
[19:26] <genii-around> Hm
[19:41] <jussi01_> grumble!!!
[19:42] <Pici> mumble?
[19:42] <jussi01_> stupid issues...
[19:43] <Seeker`> genii-around: I think all that was decided about 4chan was that jussi01 isn't impressed, LjL doesn't see a problem
[19:43] <Pici> @login
[19:43] <genii-around> Seeker`: Thats sort of the impression I was left with too. Also that Pici is confused
[19:44] <Seeker`> genii-around: but then thats nothing new :P
[19:44] <jussi01_> Pici: is always confused...
[19:44] <jussi01_> :P
[19:44] <genii-around> Hehe
[19:44] <Pici> I'm not denying it.
[19:47] <genii-around> jussi01_: So should I bother back to Quassel yet, or give it a while ? (while i see you here)
[19:47] <jussi01_> genii-around: wait till you see jussi01 again...
[19:48] <genii-around> Will do, thanks
[19:48] <Pici> Or jussi07
[19:48] <jussi01_> who the heck is jussi07?
[19:49] <genii-around> I've never even seen jussis 02 through 06....
[19:49] <Pici> Someone was talking to him in -ot
[19:54] <jussi01_> hrm, someone remind me which script it is to show channel list in irssi?
[19:56] <Pici> jussi01_: /window list    perhaps?
[19:57] <jussi01_> Pici: no... theres one to make the list of numbers into a list of numbers and channel names...
[19:58] <Pici> jussi01_: Oh. I don't know, sorry.
[19:58] <Seeker`> adv_windowlist?
[19:58] <jussi01_> ahh, yeah that one :D
[19:58] <Pici> Too many numbers here to make into channel names anyway.
[19:58] <genii-around> Seems like a lot of spanish speakers run Ubuntu
[20:02] <genii-around> Pici: That guy asking if there's a list of all the triggers ubottu accepts.... I hope no such list actually exists!
[20:03] <tsimpson> genii-around: there is, and it's on the web too
[20:03] <genii-around> AAAAAAAA
[20:03] <tsimpson> !bot
[20:03] <Pici> genii-around: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[20:03] <tsimpson> ^ factoids.cgi :)
[20:03] <genii-around> Hopefully we won't see him bot-abusing shortly after
[20:03] <Pici> Hopefully.
[20:04] <tsimpson> if you are looking at the factoids page, you don't need to trigger the bot
[20:04] <genii-around> Thats good then.
[20:05] <Pici> !staff ^^ what
[20:05] <Pici> hah
[20:05] <Pici> sorry, staff.
[20:05] <genii-around> ?
[20:06] <Pici> just looking at factoids never requested.
[20:06] <Pici> forget 15:04:36 <genii-around> Thats good then.
[20:06] <Pici> forget reply> the edubuntu handbook
[20:07] <Pici> oops
[20:07] <Pici> Sorry guys, I thought this was my ubottu window.
[20:07] <jussi01_> heh
[20:09]  * tsimpson thinks jussi01_ is not having a good day
[20:09] <jussi01_> tsimpson: if anyone gets in my way today...
[20:11] <Seeker`> tsimpson: ping
[20:11] <tsimpson> Seeker`: pong
[20:11] <Seeker`> can I pick your brain about bot stuff?
[20:12] <tsimpson> if there anything left to pick, sure
[20:22] <genii-around> tsimpson: You should do some bot workshop in -classroom at some point
[20:23] <genii-around> It's been extremely dead there since open week ended
[20:24] <tsimpson> genii-around: maybe, but then more people will want their own bot. then more people will try to set one up, then more people will fail, then more people will ask me for help
[20:24] <tsimpson> and that's not good
[20:25] <genii-around> Too bad theres just no bot to ask about building bots, at that
[20:25] <Pici> #supybot exists
[20:25] <Pici> And #ubuntu-bots
[20:26] <genii-around> Hm, looks like Quassel box is back up, I got a system notice about a second authorisation on my name just now
[20:27]  * genii-around waits to see jussi01 before trying
[20:29] <genii-around> tsimpson: And you are the moderator in #supybot and #ubuntu-bots ?   ;)
[20:29] <tsimpson> just #ubuntu-bots
[20:30] <tsimpson> I have nothing to do with #supybot, and with the amount of time's I've slammed the code, probably never will
[20:30] <Seeker`> eggdrop is the only bot I've seen with a decent amount of documentation
[20:32] <tsimpson> recently the supybot website went away, so now it has even less documentation
[20:32] <Seeker`> supybot has really terrible docs, but i've at least seen python befroe so it wasn't too bad
[20:32] <Seeker`> first time looking at ruby + rbot isn't great
[20:33] <Pici> I don't know ruby at all, and my attempts to learn it have failed.
[20:33] <Pici> I keep the supybot source at hand when making my own bot plugins
[20:41] <tsimpson> well, I learnt basic ruby in a couple days...
[20:42] <genii-around> OK, time to try Quassel again :)
[20:42] <tsimpson> Pici: have you tried the online ruby demo thing?
[20:43] <Pici> tsimpson: I did once./
[20:43]  * genii sips
[20:43] <tsimpson> it's not too dissimilar to python
[20:43] <tsimpson> well, are some big differences though
[20:44]  * genii hugs jussi01
[20:52] <ikonia> evening
[20:53] <Pici> already?
[20:53] <ikonia> it is for me
[20:57] <jussi01> mrgh....
[20:57] <jussi01> ikonia: pm?
[21:05] <ikonia> ugh huh
[21:22] <ikonia> I think I'll write an ext4 wiki page if that helps out as ext4 is coming up more and more
[21:25] <ikonia> is lenin_cat known by any other nicks ?
[21:25] <genii> commie_cary
[21:26] <ikonia> anything else,
[21:26] <genii> Not that i know
 * holmes.freenode.net sets mode +n #ubuntu-offtopix   perhaps an abuse of name space (how would I know)
[21:31] <ompaul> cheers
[21:31] <ikonia> ???
[21:31] <ikonia> no "hi"
[21:40] <stew> hi
[21:40] <ikonia> hi
[21:40] <Seeker`> hi
[21:45] <jussi01> I should be in bed
[21:45] <jussi01> but someone may want to check if this is actually correct...
[21:45] <jussi01> [23:38:57] --> ryaxnb_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:45] <jussi01> [23:39:00] <ryaxnb_> hi
[21:45] <jussi01> [23:39:06] <ryaxnb_> i'm not banned anymore?
[21:46] <Seeker`> jussi01: TurtlePie told ryaxnb that he was a nwe admin, and that he had just banned him
[21:46] <Seeker`> that was my understanding anyway
[21:46] <jussi01> oh... I just glanced
[21:48] <Seeker`> cant see anything particularly meaningful on the BT
[21:50] <ikonia> I think bazhang mentioned something about him
[21:52] <Seeker`> 4 kicks over 4 months
[22:46] <ikonia> LjL: you're active, got a moment
[22:46] <LjL> saying i'm active is a very bold statement
[22:46] <LjL> but.
[22:47] <ikonia> it can wait it's no biggy, it was only my curiosity
[22:48] <Seeker`> oooh
[22:48] <bazhang> Seeker`, still opped in #u
[22:48] <Seeker`> ty
[22:48] <bazhang> np
[22:48] <LjL> ikonia: what i was saying is i'm idly staring at the monitor. feel free to convey your data or request for information or opinion.
[22:49] <ikonia> LjL: it was really a query about how/why a flood bot missed a ban, if it's a bug or a mistake with the ban
[22:49] <ikonia> LjL: as you are the floodbot king....
[22:49] <LjL> ikonia: timestamp or logs?
[22:50] <ikonia> 03.42 am this morning in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-proxy-users
[22:50] <LjL> BST i assume
[22:50] <ikonia> yup
[22:51] <LjL> ikonia: nickname involved?
[22:51] <ikonia> panarchy
[22:51] <bazhang> oof
[22:51] <LjL> hm, i was just about to reach that conclusion, yes
[22:53] <LjL> ikonia: bans by nickname are ignored by the bots
[22:53] <LjL> they care about hosts.
[22:54] <ikonia> so he was also connecting from a different host too
[22:54] <ikonia> as his normal static IP is banned
[22:54] <LjL> not sure
[22:54] <ikonia> also - surly the "panarchy" nick ban should have picked up even if it's mibbiet ?
[22:54] <ikonia> as his nick was panarchy still ?
[22:54] <LjL> ikonia: not when a +e gets set on it
[22:54] <ikonia> ahhh exempt of course
[22:55] <ikonia> that makes sense now
[22:55] <LjL> IP was cb37e1fe, i just need to convert that to decimal and match that against his normal static IP.
[22:55] <ikonia> I always thought flood bots worked on nicks's too, good to know
[22:56] <LjL> ikonia: if my calculator is right, that IP is <IP_ADDRESS>, which doesn't appear to be banned
[22:56] <LjL> although, erm, 254?
[22:57] <LjL> still... yes, fe is 254
[22:58] <ikonia> 220-244-120-169
[22:58] <ikonia> different
[22:58] <LjL> not even related
[22:59] <ikonia> LjL: thanks for explaining
[22:59] <ikonia> that's been bugging me all day
[22:59] <LjL> ikonia: i don't think i'll fix this nickname thing in the floodbots as long as it remains an isolated case
[22:59] <LjL> ikonia: easy workaround is, ban the offending nick from -proxy-users too
[23:38] <tritium> Good afternoon!
[23:41] <Seeker`> o/
[23:41] <tritium> Hi Seeker`