[17:08] <abhishekiitd> mbeier|:even i wanted to use that but my nvidia didnt show up on hardware drivers
[17:08] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, vdpau needs vram, so yours is prefereable
[17:08] <bjsnider> now pastebin the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[17:09] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider: well, u just said lower numbered are worse, and then u say 8800 is better than 9200!
[17:09] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider: it is still installing
[17:09] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, it's the second number that counts, more than the first
[17:09] <mahfiaz> why doesn't the ubuntu live-cd contain estonian tranlation anymore?
[17:09] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider: well!that's a news...i never knew!
[17:09] <ellar> i have problems with my sound on t21 after suspend-to-ram . Which information should i include for the bug report?
[17:09] <hil> this is true for last 3 numbers. first number is generation
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> mahfiaz: you can apt-get it if you need it (and you have www access)
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: here's mine http://pastebin.com/f2826e27d
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> on a nvidia 6150
[17:10] <mahfiaz> ActionParsnip, sure, I know this, ubuntu even has graphical tool for it, but I as a translator want to know what was the reason. Lack of space on cd?
[17:10] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:http://pastebin.com/m6005b332
[17:11] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider: should i restart?
[17:11] <bjsnider> no
[17:11] <bjsnider> you need to replace that file
[17:11] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider: now i can see my nvidia on hardware drivers...and how should i replace?with what
[17:11] <abhishekiitd> ?
[17:11] <ellar> is there anything like #ubuntu-sound?
[17:12] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, use hardware drivers to activate the driver, and then check the xorg.conf file again
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> mahfiaz: not sure, log a question as a bug. it may get answered
[17:12] <mahfiaz> ActionParsnip, ok thanks
[17:13] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider: i activated it, and now it asks me to restart
[17:13] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, pastebin your xorg.conf again
[17:14] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:http://pastebin.com/m245b822c
[17:15] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/f2826e27d that's what the xconfig command gets you. You'll get an error and no gui from the freetype line at the very least
[17:15] <bjsnider> abhishekiitd, perfect. restart and enjoy compizzy goodness
[17:15] <eseven73> does brasero not work on jaunty? It's in the menu, but it wont start
[17:16] <abhishekiitd> bjsnider:ok thanks, lleme reboot
[17:16] <tgpraveen> ellar: no ask wht u want hear
[17:17] <tgpraveen> maybe there is a developer team who work on pulseaudio
[17:17] <tgpraveen> in ubuntu
[17:17] <cjae> um is alsa outdated and pulseaudio is the now?
[17:18] <bjsnider> alsa is sound drivers, pulseaudio is a userspace sound system that uses those drivers
[17:18] <BluesKaj> cjae,  i was informed that alsa uses HAL ,sees and enables the drivers that run ontop of the pulseaudio structure
[17:20] <cjae> ok so what is the point of OSS? or does OSS support some cards that ALSA doesn't
[17:22] <fosco__> !oss
[17:22] <fosco__> ops :)
[17:22] <fosco__> oss is the old sound system, it doe not support more hardware than alsa or pulse, but some old apps only work in oss mode
[17:25] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon peeps
[17:26] <cjae> thanks to everyone who answered my questions :)
[17:30] <keisangi> hi there
[17:30] <keisangi>  i have a problem with kde (jaunty beta, latest kde) "moving files to trash" is extremely slow
[17:30] <keisangi> delete is as fast as usual, but move to trash is very slow
[17:30] <BUGabundo> keisangi: someone already mention that during the weekend
[17:30] <keisangi> is there a way to fix it ?
[17:30] <BUGabundo> I guess two, make that bug confirmed
[17:31] <BUGabundo> can you please see if there is a bug already, and if not, file it on launchpad?
[17:32] <keisangi> curiously, the computer i use at work, (same jaunty, same kde version) do move to trash normaly .. (isn't slow)
[17:32] <keisangi> the computer is an old dog
[17:32] <keisangi> but the one i use right now is a quad core extreme, with 2 gb ram
[17:33] <keisangi> anything could be done to restore
[17:33] <keisangi> "moving file to trash" to reasonnable/normal speed
[17:33] <keisangi> ?
[17:35] <BUGabundo> keisangi: did you read what I said???
[17:35] <eseven73> Ok im trying to backup my ext4 /home using partimage but it reports it as ext3, but gparted reports it as ext4, My question is if i use partimage to back up the partition will it ruin it being that it says ext3 when its really ext4?
[17:35] <keisangi> BUGabundo: i'm reporting the bug on launchpad
[17:35] <BUGabundo> eseven73: maybe partimage is not compatible with ext4
[17:35] <BUGabundo> ?
[17:35] <eseven73> it says it is
[17:36] <eseven73> on their website
[17:37] <eseven73> its actually SystemRescueCD-1.1 that im using
[17:37] <eseven73> and it says:
[17:37] <eseven73> The kernel supports most of the important file systems (ext2/ext3/ext4, reiserfs, reiser4, btrfs, xfs, jfs, vfat, ntfs, iso9660), as well as network filesystems (samba and nfs).
[17:37] <BUGabundo> ok I take it back
[17:37] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu-devel
[17:37] <BUGabundo> and see if any FS experts are around
[17:37] <eseven73> ok
[17:42] <keisangi> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/354617
[17:42] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:49] <mib_zdkuel1c> hi, i am using ubuntu 8.10 , its great and all but i cannot get my wireless to work, can any please help
[17:50] <s0undt3ch_> hello ppl
[17:50] <s0undt3ch_> I'm trying to install compizconfig-settings-manager=0.8.2 from jaunty which then says it will upgrade a lot of packages which worries me since I'm on intrepid. Can I know which is pushing all the packages?
[17:50] <eseven73> BUGabundo, ok i just found out apparently partimage doesnt support ext4 yet.. :/
[17:50] <BUGabundo> eheeheheh
[17:50] <BUGabundo> I thought so
[17:50] <eseven73> systemrescue cd does support it, but not partimage
[17:50] <BUGabundo> its too *new*
[17:51] <BUGabundo> mib_zdkuel1c: 8.10 support is in #ubuntu
[17:51] <BUGabundo> s0undt3ch_: use mvo or compiz ppa instead of messing with your sources!
[17:51] <mib_zdkuel1c> thanks
[17:52] <s0undt3ch_> BUGabundo: mvo?
[17:52] <BUGabundo> yeah
[17:52] <BUGabundo> but try the compiz ppa 1st
[17:56] <Brandie> http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2776/dscf2478.jpg I get that when i try to boot into 9.04 :\
[17:56]  * BUGabundo checks
[17:56] <BUGabundo> Brandie: what GPU?
[17:56] <BrianR___> Any opinions on using i386 vs lpia installer on an atom-based netbook?
[17:57] <BUGabundo> aka grafic card
[17:57] <Brandie> hd 4850
[17:57] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: sure. should work!
[17:57] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: is it a sub 7" ?
[17:57] <BrianR___> I did my 8.10 install with the MID installer, then installed various other packages to get a roughly UNR type system.
[17:57] <BUGabundo> or bigger one?
[17:58] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: Nah. It has a 9" screen. But I'm more concerned about the architecture than the package set. Isn't the LPIA architecture built with a different compiler?
[17:58] <BUGabundo> Brandie: hum did you had the closed driver or used a large resolution for TTY?
[17:58] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: go for 386! it works!
[17:58] <abhishekiitdq> i have installed compoz
[17:58] <Brandie> I had the newest ati driver in 8.10
[17:58] <BUGabundo> yes it is
[17:58] <abhishekiitdq> how can i edit settings
[17:58] <abhishekiitdq> compiz*
[17:58] <Brandie> and I had my res at 1680x1050
[17:58] <BrianR___> When I did my 8.10 install, I used the MID installer, then installed regular gnome and compiz desktop stuff
[17:58] <BUGabundo> Brandie: check the rellease notes! you will see that many ati cards won't work properly with closed driver now
[17:59] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: the packags are the same, of course
[17:59] <Brandie> I had it working in the alpha's, but i cant remember how i got it woring >_>
[17:59] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: I found that not every package available for i386 was available for lpia
[17:59] <Brandie> My bud did it for me, So eh.
[17:59] <Brandie> So, I cant use my card with the new ubuntu?....
[18:00] <Brandie> How am I gunna play games? D=
[18:00] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: pretty close, but not everything.
[18:00] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: those are mostly FTBFS
[18:00] <abhishekiitdq> please tell me how to edit settings for ubuntu
[18:00] <abhishekiitdq> for compiz
[18:00] <Brandie> install cssm in add/remove
[18:00] <BUGabundo> Brandie: you can... just have to try the -ati (opensource) one
[18:00] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: Yeah. I'm guessing since not only is the architecture different, but it's a different major version of gcc.
[18:00] <Brandie> well uh, how to i get passed that screen? :3
[18:00] <BUGabundo> abhishekiitdq: instal compizconfig-settingmanager
[18:00] <BluesKaj> BBL , errands in the rain :P
[18:00] <Brandie> I'm in root back up right now
[18:01] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: gcc should be the same, but I can't be sure....
[18:01] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: was hoping someone had done like usability checklist and battery runtime type tests already. I suppose I could run my own, but...
[18:01] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: it wasn't in 8.10
[18:01] <BUGabundo> Brandie: run in recovery and select XFIX
[18:01] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: (the gcc version wasn't in 8.10 anyway)
[18:01] <Brandie> fix x server?
[18:01] <Brandie> already did that
[18:01] <abhishekiitdq> bugabundo: that doesnt work, please spell it properly
[18:01] <BUGabundo> guys and galls calm donw!! I'm alone here!!eheh
[18:02] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: as I said, I can't be sure
[18:02] <Brandie> already did that:P
[18:02] <BUGabundo> abhishekiitdq: instal compizconfig-settingmanager
[18:03] <BUGabundo> compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:03] <Brandie> er, I  just get a screen thats less corrupted. go to add/remove and search for compiz and install compiz icon and cssm  >:U
[18:03] <BUGabundo> Brandie: sorry if that failed too
[18:03] <BUGabundo> I'm not an X guru
[18:03] <Brandie> mm :\
[18:03] <BUGabundo> guess there's something else in there
[18:03] <Brandie> is there a way to st it to safe graphiccs mode?
[18:03] <BUGabundo> can you pastebing you xorg.conf?
[18:03] <BUGabundo> and grub menu.list?
[18:04] <Brandie> how would I do that?...
[18:04] <BUGabundo> I want to see if you have a resolution bigger then 800 on the TTY
[18:04] <s0undt3ch_> BUGabundo: aquainted with compiz?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> s0undt3ch_: yes
[18:04] <s0undt3ch_> BUGabundo: does it *require* python-2.6?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> s0undt3ch_: don't know
[18:04] <BUGabundo> ask to apt-cache
[18:04] <Brandie> my res is 1680x1050, and my monitor says it's 1600x1000 when it's booting
[18:04] <s0undt3ch_> BUGabundo: it pushes it
[18:05] <BUGabundo> Brandie: yeah I thought so
[18:05] <BUGabundo> that could be it
[18:05] <s0undt3ch_> just wondering if it's really necessary
[18:05] <BUGabundo> Brandie: can you came with me to #ubuntu-x ?
[18:05] <BUGabundo> s0undt3ch_: don't know
[18:05] <Brandie> yup
[18:05] <BUGabundo> most packages were migrated to it
[18:05] <BUGabundo> brb
[18:05] <BUGabundo> on #X  now
[18:06] <BUGabundo> back
[18:06] <BUGabundo> everyone done?
[18:07] <wolfgang> hey guys.. i installed kubuntu 9.04 (beta) (cause network was messed up in 8.10).. and now my printer (canon i80) doesn't work - any ideas?
[18:08] <BUGabundo> wolfgang: check LP for bugs with cups on it
[18:08] <Milos_SD> where can I find changelog of updates?
[18:09] <wolfgang> BUGabundo: what's lp?
[18:09] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad
[18:09] <god-mok> !bug
[18:09] <wolfgang> kk
[18:09] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[18:10] <White_Pelican> I remember in kde 3, if you right clicked in a folder in Konqueror and even in Dolphin, there were certain items in the menu that pops up, inclusde cut, cop move delete, etc. I see this does not exist in kde 4. Is there something I need to configure to allow this?
[18:11] <wolfgang> hm, can't find nothing there
[18:12] <s0undt3ch_> dam, I'm still required to push alot of packages....
[18:12] <hggdh> wolfgang, have you updated your beta? (dist-upgrade)
[18:12] <hggdh> after the beta went out I think we had some printer-related updates already
[18:14] <wolfgang> hggdh: i did.. daily
[18:15] <BUGabundo> wolfgang: I do it 5x a day
[18:15] <Brandie> BUGabundo: did I mention i can hear the start up sounds and stuff?
[18:15] <wolfgang> BUGabundo: kk.. i just checked.. there only were 3 updates
[18:15] <BUGabundo> nice! oh wait
[18:15] <Brandie> D:
[18:15] <joshjtl> okay i have discovered the source of my lockups (require manual power off) Gimp! when I'm using gimp I get these unrecoverable lock ups..
[18:15] <BUGabundo> so its not after grub, but way until GDM?
[18:15] <joshjtl> problem is I need gimp right now...
[18:16] <Brandie> It is after grub
[18:16] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: ext4?
[18:16] <Brandie> It's after the ubuntu loading screen.
[18:16] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: no ext3
[18:16] <Brandie> usualy it should go to the login screen after it, but it gives me corrupted screen
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Brandie: I still suspect that your grub was some option to use a bigger resolution
[18:16] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: Intel GPU?
[18:16] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: yes
[18:17] <Brandie> Probably, But it works fine in 8.20....
[18:17] <Brandie> er 8.10
[18:17] <wolfgang> i'll try rebooting.
[18:17] <wolfgang> thanks for now
[18:18] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: any thoughts for fix?
[18:19] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: doesn't your X freeze after a few secs, after login?
[18:19] <Brandie> sudo apt-get remove gimp ? D=
[18:19] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[18:19] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: maybe a split second...
[18:19]  * BUGabundo likes Brandie jokes
[18:19] <joshjtl> Brandie: im building a web site right now, i really need gim
[18:19] <joshjtl> op
[18:19] <joshjtl> gimp
[18:19] <BUGabundo> yeah it's the intel bug joshjtl
[18:19] <BUGabundo> not gimp
[18:19] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: jaunty is BETA!!!
[18:20] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: hrmmm is the bug on launchpad somewhere?
[18:20] <BUGabundo> it can and will cause breakage
[18:20] <White_Pelican> very beta :)
[18:20] <BUGabundo> many
[18:20] <BUGabundo> depends on your card
[18:20] <BUGabundo> 865, 945, etc
[18:20] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: has anyone found a work around?
[18:20] <Brandie> Well, I was seriouse. remove than reinstall?..
[18:20] <BUGabundo> its an intel bug
[18:20] <BUGabundo> bryce is working hard on it
[18:21] <BUGabundo> Brandie: its not a gimp bug.... it's a driver one
[18:21] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: do you happen to know where that particular bug is located on launchpad?
[18:21] <Brandie> ah
[18:21] <BUGabundo> tell me your card version
[18:21] <joshjtl> gm965
[18:21] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/304871
[18:22] <BUGabundo> the last comment from bryce there
[18:22] <BUGabundo> has most of the bug IDs
[18:22] <Brandie> whats the name of the proprietary ati driver?
[18:23] <joshjtl> arggh do i really need to reinstall intrepid to get some work done... i just got used to jaunty happily (other than this of course)
[18:23] <BUGabundo> glrfx or somethijng
[18:23] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: you can boot from CD or liveUSB
[18:24] <BUGabundo> and get work done too
[18:24] <joshjtl> mmm i suppose :/
[18:25] <joshjtl> hmm im going to upgrade my kernel... i have another problem that machine wont shutdown/reboot until on last screen i ctrl+alt+delete out... maybe it will help this too
[18:26] <joshjtl> would adding Option "DRI" "false" to xorg stop desktop effects?
[18:27] <BUGabundo> yes
[18:27] <BUGabundo> unfortunatly
[18:27] <BUGabundo> but at least it works!
[18:27] <thiebaude> is there a workaround to fix my x session so it can start?
[18:27] <joshjtl> yeah im going to try using later kernel first
[18:27] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: what gpu card?
[18:27] <thiebaude> intel 81815
[18:28] <thiebaude> i can log into fluxbox
[18:29] <BUGabundo> guys time to go! be back later! hand on to the jaunty waves
[18:29] <BUGabundo> ahh thiebaude I remember
[18:29] <BUGabundo> can you boot from livecd?
[18:29] <thiebaude> yes
[18:31] <sirderigo_> C
[18:32] <sirderigo_> after a upgrade texlive-base get broken, it only happened to me o it happened you too?
[18:34] <joshjtl> rebooting to try 2.6.29 on this thing
[18:42] <aurel42> Downgrading from jaunty to intrepid fixed all my problems, only Evolution refuses to work with data that has been touched by the new version from jaunty.
[18:42] <sirderigo_> how you downgrade?
[18:42] <aurel42> I'll soon know whether jaunty's Evolution builds on intrepid.
[18:43] <aurel42> I did a fresh install from 8.10 iso and restored my $HOME
[18:43] <aurel42> jaunty had way too many problems on my system.
[18:46] <joshjtl> okay, installed rebooted with kernel 2.6.29 ... lets see if this fixes my problem
[18:51] <aurel42> jaunty's libical and evolution-data-server builds on 8.10. Now for evolution itself.
[18:52] <aurel42> Wish me luck.
[19:01] <DanaG> argh, no wonder the volume control thing laaaags: it's a "feature".
[19:02] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Gauge
[19:02] <DanaG> "Gauge If a notification bubble has a gauge, the gauge should display the old value for 500 ms before switching to the new value for the remainder of the time, as a visual indication of what the change was. "
[19:02] <DanaG> er, delete first word.
[19:02] <nighstalker> Has the nvidia driver been fixed in Jaunty?
[19:03] <joshjtl> so far so good with my lockup problem...
[19:04] <genii> joshjtl: Good to hear
[19:04] <joshjtl> yeah!
[19:05] <genii> joshjtl: So the preload was causing it ?
[19:05] <KelloggsFrosties> hi there!
[19:05] <joshjtl> genii: no, intel bug apparently... but changing kernels seemed to fix it, also fixes my reboot/shutdown issue
[19:06] <genii> joshjtl: Ah, OK
[19:11] <Tumie> hi, i'm at jaunty now, but aMSN doesn't sign in
[19:15] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: my intel issue was resolved using 2.6.29
[19:18] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: nice
[19:19] <sirderigo_> BUGabundo, texlive-base is bugy
[19:19] <sirderigo_> buggy
[19:19] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: you should try it
[19:20] <sirderigo_> BUGabundo, it fails to install
[19:23] <bjsnider> Tumie, my understanding is that app is currently broken
[19:23] <Tumie> bjsnider: ok, are they trying to fix it ?
[19:24] <bjsnider> Tumie, i think it's broken upstream, so the amsn devs would have to fix it
[19:24] <Tumie> ok, thank you for the information :)
[19:25] <bjsnider> Tumie, pidgin works and emesene probably does
[19:26] <Halow> Pidgin connects to msn just fine.
[19:29] <Vorbote> And msn-pecan is in the repos if you can't live without those annoying voice-clips and whatever.
 Hi <gon>: I have some problems connecting to wireless network in some place <gon>: In 8.10 works fine, but in jaunty can't connect
[19:45] <BUGabundo> hi gon
[19:45] <BUGabundo> what's up?
 i got this from dmesg: <gon>: [ 351.136971] wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3) [ 353.136063] wlan0: privacy configuration mismatch and mixed-cell disabled - disassociate
[19:45] <gon> using b43
[19:46] <gon> + knetworkmanager plasmoid
[19:46] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[19:46] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:46] <BUGabundo> knm is utterly broken
[19:47] <BUGabundo> can you try gnome's networkmanger?
[19:47] <gon> emmm, i don't want gnome :B
[19:47] <gon> but, from command line
[19:47] <BUGabundo> then try cli
[19:47] <gon> i got the same issues
[19:47] <mnemo> there is tons of hits on that error in launchpad: https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=disassociating+by+local+choice+reason%3D3&field.actions.search=Search
[19:47] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:48] <BUGabundo> I know mnemo
[19:48] <BUGabundo> not even asac will touch them
[19:48] <gon> sudo dhclient wlan0 <= this step fail
[19:48] <BUGabundo> not really
[19:48] <BUGabundo> I aren't linked to the network yet
[19:49] <gon> the wireless network is in my university, protected by wep shared key
[19:49] <gon> in my home, I use wpa+aes, and works fine...
[19:49] <ripps> How do you do xdcc downloads with irssi?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> ripps: wrong place to ask
[19:50] <void^> ripps: /help dcc
[19:51] <Vorbote> ripps: Ask in #irssi, although I think their channel in EFnet is more active.
[19:51] <eseven73> is there a fix for Nautilus crashing on boot up?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> eseven73: do you have a bug for that,
[19:52] <BUGabundo> that I can look at?
[19:52] <mnemo> eseven73: did you use apport to report the bug into launchpad? if so, please paste the URL to the bug
[19:52] <mnemo> ;)
[19:53] <eseven73> the auto bug report doesnt work
[19:53] <eseven73> it just hangs when i try to report anything
[19:53] <mnemo> eseven73: hang as in the apport-gtk UI becomes gray and unresponsive?
[19:54] <eseven73> it just doesnt work
[19:54] <BUGabundo> eseven73: try the cli
[19:54] <eseven73> i dont recall if it turns grey or not
[19:54] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp PACKAGE
[19:54] <BUGabundo> or to just send the actual crush that you have
[19:54] <thiebaude> where can i download 2.6.29 kernel, maybe that will fix my intel lockup, also
[19:54] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -c /path/to/crash
[19:55] <BUGabundo> something like
[19:55] <eseven73> donno where to get crash info
[19:55] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_nautilus......
[19:55] <eseven73> but if i find something ill post it
[19:55] <mnemo> thiebaude: ubuntu has a clean version of 2.6.29 available as a .DEB ... google for "ubuntu mainline kernels"
[19:55] <BUGabundo> eseven73: its in /var/crash
[19:55] <thiebaude> thanks mnemo i'll go for it
[19:56] <mnemo> thiebaude: DEBs for <IP_ADDRESS> are here --> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v<IP_ADDRESS>/
[19:56] <thiebaude> kewl, wish me luck everyone
[19:56] <eseven73> oh nice BUGabundo i didnt know about /var/crash  :D
[19:56] <mnemo> thiebaude: good luck :)
[19:58] <joshjtl> hey who was it that told me about a dolphin fix including HOME= something... ?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:02] <eseven73> BUGabundo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/143649      sorry took me so long, some reason i cant copy from vim since i dont have the .vimrc that lets me use copy/paste
[20:02] <eseven73> new install and all that :D
[20:02] <BUGabundo> tell me when come back
[20:02] <eseven73> ok
[20:03] <Turl> hi, can you explain me how does this 'indicator applet' does any good?
[20:12] <thiebaude> i'am able to log in now, but with the 2.6.24-24 generic kernel only
[20:13] <mnemo> thiebaude: another more interesting thing to test for you is xorg-edgers + <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:13] <ephoenix> anyone running ubuntu on ext4 and how is it?
[20:13] <thiebaude> mnemo: you got a link for that
[20:14] <picklesworth> anyone know what the status is on updating monodevelop? Jaunty still has the beta for some reason :/
[20:15] <mnemo> thiebaude: add this PPA inside /etc/apt/sources.list       --> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[20:15] <thiebaude> ok
[20:15] <mnemo> thiebaude: and then install updated versions of mesa, xserver, libdrm and intel ddx driver
[20:15] <mnemo> then you
[20:15] <mnemo> r on the very latest versions
[20:15] <mnemo> good for bug reporting etc
[20:15] <thiebaude> mnemo: im running 9.04 now
[20:16] <mnemo> thiebaude: yeah, but this is the upstream versions straight from git... they are much more recent than jaunty
[20:16] <mnemo> but more unstable as well ofc
[20:16] <joshjtl> hey who was it that told me about a dolphin fix including HOME= something... ?
[20:17] <syockit> it solved some problems on mine too, was using it until jaunty's xorg got fixed
[20:18] <mnemo> thiebaude: then to revert from xorg-edgers PPA back to normal jaunty packages... you can use something like this --> http://pastebin.com/m1409f44 (not exact commands but I think you will get the idea)
[20:18] <joshjtl> syockit: was it you who told me about how to restore dolphin?
[20:19] <syockit> nope, it wasn't
[20:19] <thiebaude> mnemo: thanks
[20:19] <syockit> joshjtl: btw, restore in what way?
[20:20] <joshjtl> syockit: well i had used it to log into ftp, and since then moving things to trash took a very long time, so i had to restore it somehow using HOME= something mytempdir... and it worked, but i forgot what it was
[20:21] <syockit> joshjtl: you can check the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[20:22] <joshjtl> thanks syockit
[20:26] <eseven73> where do i look up Jaunty bugs?
[20:27] <joshjtl> damn cant find it anywhere :(
[20:27] <syockit> eseven73: until release, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/
[20:28] <eseven73> ok ty
[20:29] <syockit> hmm, since many things are frozen, maybe can start reporting at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty ?
[20:29] <eseven73> well
[20:29] <eseven73> my report has several duplicates
[20:30] <eseven73> so im not going to post it
[20:30] <eseven73> its the Nautilus crashes on boot bug
[20:30] <Ienorand> How come I can't acces this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/321955
[20:30] <cjae> ok who was the person who told me that they had win 7 and kubuntu 9.04 installed, when I try to manually partition with win =/dev/sda and kubuntu =/dev/sdb the installer tries to add grun at (hd1) =/dev/sdb which is dumb, what can I do to make this work?
[20:31] <eseven73> bug #273114
[20:32] <eseven73> also brasero refuses to boot, and also the weather widget crashes a lot too
[20:33] <eseven73> so i had to use k3b :(   (was trying to avoid using kde libs on this install) ah well
[20:33] <GodfatherofEire> So, whats gonna be new in Jaunty?
[20:33] <eseven73> ext4
[20:33] <eseven73> :D
[20:33] <GodfatherofEire> Ah
[20:34] <GodfatherofEire> Very nice
[20:34] <eseven73> yea using it now :)
[20:34] <GodfatherofEire> Notice any efficiency difference?
[20:34] <eseven73> too soon to tell i think
[20:34] <eseven73> just installed last night
[20:34] <GodfatherofEire> Ah
[20:35] <GodfatherofEire> Anythin else new?
[20:36] <eseven73> im sure there are a ton of new stuff, but i havent seen anything really
[20:37] <mnemo> GodfatherofEire: new notification popups, new GDM theme, new versions of most apps
[20:38] <GodfatherofEire> Ah
[20:38] <GodfatherofEire> Break of compatibility?
[20:39] <eseven73> oh yea firefox has new popup notifiers forgot to mention that
[20:39] <eseven73> kind of annoying though
[20:41] <joshjtl_> can I downgrade intel drivers back to intrepid?
[20:41] <joshjtl_> can I downgrade intel drivers back to intrepid?
[20:43] <eseven73> bug #354720
[20:44] <eseven73> I found out there was no other bug like mine so i went ahead and posted a bug report, there are some that are similar but they date back to 2007-2008 and for a different release
[20:49] <BUGabundo> back
[20:52] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: upgrading kernel to 2.6.29 did NOT fix my intel issue :(
[20:52] <BUGabundo> I read
[20:53] <eseven73> bug #354720
[20:53] <joshjtl_> I was considering downgrading intel package but... it looks like it would be a huge pain
[20:53] <eseven73> BUGabundo, ^^^^^^^^^
[20:53] <BUGabundo> thanks eseven73
[20:53] <eseven73> np
[20:53] <BUGabundo> joshjtl_: DON'T
[20:53] <BUGabundo> you will have more trouble to keep userspace in sync
[20:54]  * BUGabundo has bad memory
[20:54] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: so for now the only fix is turn off effects? (can I just do it in my kde system settings is that enough, or do i need to do it xorg) or is there anything else i can do to workaround this issue.
[20:54] <BUGabundo> joshjtl_: what was your prob again?
[20:54] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: intel driver causing unrecoverable lockup
[20:54] <BUGabundo> ahh yes
[20:55] <joshjtl_> real bummer
[20:55] <BUGabundo> so far acccorgding to bryce only dri false half solves that
[20:55] <joshjtl_> this is since beta
[20:55] <BUGabundo> not sure it will get fixed until release
[20:55] <joshjtl_> alpha didnt have this
[20:57] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, does bryce say the intel driver is broken right now?
[20:57] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: just read downgrading kernel can help
[20:58] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: any idea what I need to do to downgrade kernel to 2.6.27?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> don't, please don't!
[20:59] <BUGabundo> if you really need that, use ibex then
[20:59] <bjsnider> joshjtl_, that's crazy
[20:59] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: according to the bug it fixes the issue
[21:00] <BUGabundo> try it!
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but Its not Advised or supported
[21:00] <joshjtl_> might as well give it a shot
[21:00] <bjsnider> why not try 2.6.29
[21:01] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:01] <joshjtl_> bjsnider: i have
[21:01] <joshjtl_> no fix
[21:02] <joshjtl_> anyone know where 2.6.27 is located?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> joshjtl_: did you at least let bryce know about it?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> or any X devs?
[21:03] <joshjtl_> BUGabundo: no, there is a bug report for it...
[21:03] <BUGabundo> did you comment there?
[21:04] <joshjtl_> not yet
[21:04] <matrixblue> I want to do a full install of Jaunty on my flash drive. Which file system should I be using? and is the wear on the drive significant?
[21:04] <BUGabundo> so who was the one with nautilus crashs??
[21:05] <BUGabundo> matrixblue: you don't! use usbcreator
[21:05] <BUGabundo> it uses fat32
[21:05] <BUGabundo> eseven73: ping
[21:05] <matrixblue> BUGabundo: the usb creator installs is too slow to boot and can't update
[21:05] <BUGabundo> did nt you report via apport??
[21:06] <BUGabundo> yes it can matrixblue
[21:06] <BUGabundo> if you reserv the space for it
[21:06] <BUGabundo> a persistent install
[21:07] <matrixblue> BUGabundo: the boot time is still too slow
[21:07] <BUGabundo> not for me
[21:07] <matrixblue> BUGabundo: how long does it take for you?
[21:07] <BUGabundo> I boot my 8GiBs kington with jaunty
[21:07] <BUGabundo> in 35 secs on my laptop
[21:08] <matrixblue> hmmmm
[21:08] <matrixblue> that's worth considering
[21:08] <BUGabundo> of course this is a fast PC and fast pen
[21:08] <BUGabundo> on slower PCs it takes longer, of course
[21:09] <eseven73> ok i got an email that says my apport wasnt good enough or what not, i donno what else they expect
[21:09] <DeepB> grrr.... bug #354228 when d-u
[21:10] <BUGabundo> yes eseven73
[21:10] <BUGabundo> you need to sent the crash
[21:10] <BUGabundo> as I told you
[21:10] <eseven73> i did
[21:10] <BUGabundo> no you didn't
[21:10] <BUGabundo> you just run apport to colect data
[21:11] <BUGabundo> not send your crash
[21:11] <eseven73> it sent me to the bug site and i filled out everything
[21:11] <BUGabundo> lets do it again!
[21:11] <BUGabundo> no no, bleive me
[21:11] <BUGabundo> eeh
[21:11] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -c /var/crash/NAUTILYUSCRASHERE
[21:11] <eseven73> look i did everything it said on the website
[21:11] <eseven73> im not going through this again
[21:11] <BUGabundo> replace the last part with the crash file name
[21:12] <BUGabundo> ok.... that way we can't help you more then we already did
[21:12] <eseven73> they closed it already
[21:12] <joshjtl_> brb rebooting
[21:12] <BUGabundo> no no
[21:12] <BUGabundo> just do what I sain
[21:12] <BUGabundo> *said
[21:12] <BUGabundo> that is basicly what pedro asked u too
[21:13] <BUGabundo> eseven73: its just on line
[21:13] <eseven73> they got my bug report, they deleted it, why do it again?
[21:13] <BUGabundo> you can even dupe it to the other bug
[21:13] <BUGabundo> because it didn't contain the cras
[21:13] <BUGabundo> *crash
[21:14] <BUGabundo> that is what the devs need to help you
[21:14] <eseven73> i did apport-cli -fp nautilus
[21:14] <picklesworth> and it doesn't look deleted on my end :/
[21:14] <BUGabundo> that bug, did not contain anything helpful
[21:14] <BUGabundo> eseven73: that's only to open new bugs... not to report crash
[21:14] <eseven73> omg
[21:14] <BUGabundo> picklesworth: its marked invalid?
[21:15] <picklesworth> it is, indeed :)
[21:15] <eseven73> o well i don tcare
[21:15] <eseven73> i use thunar instead of nautilus
[21:15] <eseven73> :P
[21:15] <picklesworth> although something tells me that should say "incomplete," but best avoid making traffic
[21:16] <bmunger> I am a bit confused on how to use the GUI in Kubuntu 9.04 beta to configure a static IP address for my ethernet card.  It seems I have to create a new connection or something.  Does anyone know how this is supposed to work?
[21:16] <joshjtl> ok back... lets see if 2.6.27 works for me
[21:18] <BUGabundo> eseven73: you are a bad user :p
[21:18] <bjsnider> joshjtl, if it doesn't, throw a chair thru the window
[21:18] <joshjtl> bjsnider: think that might help?
[21:18] <eseven73> no i did what you told me to do before you went AFK
[21:18] <bjsnider> indeed it would, unquestionably
[21:18] <joshjtl> bjsnider: if it does maybe i should add it to the bug report?
[21:19] <bjsnider> do that thing i say
[21:19] <joshjtl> i will damn it
[21:20] <BUGabundo> eseven73: I told you both ways..  maybe I should have been more cleae
[21:20] <BUGabundo> *clear
[21:20] <joshjtl> you know so far i swear things seem more responsive with 2.6.27
[21:20] <bjsnider> joshjtl, what problem is it exactly?
[21:20] <joshjtl> bjsnider: its an intel bug that causes unrecoverable lockups
[21:21] <bmunger> I guess I really dont understand the deal with the multiple wired connection options if I only have one ethernet device.. especially since it doesnt seem like I can use it to select one type or another..
[21:21] <eseven73> BUGabundo, you are a bad bug fixer then....... haha we're even now! :P  I'll do it the other way then just for you :D
[21:22] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:22] <BUGabundo> thank you!
[21:22] <BUGabundo> we appreciate!
[21:22] <BUGabundo> you are making Ubuntu better
[21:22] <eseven73> lol "Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze thhe problem and send a report to developers."
[21:23]  * eseven73 bangs head on keyboard
[21:24] <bmunger> thanks for the help
[21:25] <BUGabundo> heeheheheheheeheheheheh
[21:25] <BUGabundo> eseven73: that's a big crash!!
[21:25] <BUGabundo> what is the crash size?
[21:26] <eseven73> 32K
[21:26] <lilac> I have an ATI Radeon Mobility X1400. Starting X in jaunty i get a black screen with some corruption at the top and a hang (using ati or radeon drivers)
[21:26] <sirderigo_> BUGabundo, do you reported what i bug you?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> sirderigo_: what?
[21:26] <lilac> the fglrx driver fails with "no screens found". is there anything i can do to get X working (other than downgrading to intrepid)?
[21:26] <eseven73> the weather applet that crashed is 3.1M
[21:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:27] <BUGabundo> eseven73: $ free -m
[21:27] <eseven73> 260 free, something is goobling up all my ram :(
[21:28] <BUGabundo> atop 3
[21:28] <BUGabundo> then press 'm'
[21:28] <lilac> some googling hints at a beta fglrx driver, but i can't see any links to it. anyone know where i can find that?
[21:29] <yow|x2> BUGabundo - i had the first freeze on my laptop in days earlier today. im pretty sure its intel related. im booted into the default kernel now to see if that helps
[21:29] <BUGabundo> ok yow|x2
[21:30] <eseven73> i donno BUGabundo bug htop reports it as 259/2011 now
[21:30] <BUGabundo> not that much
[21:30] <BUGabundo> unless you have a memory leak
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I like atop
[21:30] <BUGabundo> it really helps ordering
[21:30] <eseven73> free -m reports it as totall 2011            used 1666             free 345
[21:30] <eseven73> :(
[21:30] <sirderigo_> BUGabundo, texlive fails to update and broke up gnome-panel i guess
[21:31] <BUGabundo> it could
[21:31] <sirderigo_> because the gnome panel isnt loading applications or system
[21:31] <sirderigo_> only places
[21:32] <eseven73> BUGabundo, System Monitor (the GUI) one says 264 mib (13%) of 2 gigs
[21:32] <sirderigo_> i explain my self, the menu entreis fro applications and system bit are empty
[21:33] <BUGabundo> eseven73: what is taking it all??
[21:33] <eseven73> i think free -m  misreporting my ram
[21:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:33] <BUGabundo> don't count cache!! LOL
[21:33] <eseven73> system monitor says i have a lot of ram
[21:33] <BUGabundo> eseven73: can you try sending again?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I'm sorry for all the trouble you are having
[21:34] <sweeney> I am trying to upgrade to Jaunty.  I ran "update-manager -d" and there is no upgrade button.  I went and checked my release upgrade and made sure it was set to "normal release" which it is.  Any ideas?
[21:34] <eseven73> same error
[21:34] <Lint01> sweeney: read topic
[21:34] <sweeney> Nvm should have read topic
[21:34] <bjsnider> there's a lot of intel driver bugs right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:34] <sweeney> yes sorry
[21:34] <sweeney> That was silly of me to ask
[21:35] <Lint01> I don;t understant, is there english-only release at April 13th?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> eseven73: please paste exact command
[21:36] <ryanakca> Is it normal that I receive messages like ``[ 2105.931183] Out of memory: kill process 10065 (zsh) score 1218884 or a child'' on the command prompt
[21:36] <eseven73> k
[21:36] <eseven73> http://paste.ubuntu.com/143684
[21:37] <BUGabundo> Lint01: thanks for the heads up... didn't know about that
[21:38] <eseven73> BUGabundo,  i think my swap is not activated
[21:38] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:39] <eseven73> when i made partitions i just made a swap partition thats it, i think i missed a step :(
[21:39] <BUGabundo> you may!
[21:39] <BUGabundo> it would be strange, but maybe that could be the reason
[21:39] <eseven73> can i just do sudo swapon -a?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> still it is a bug
[21:39] <eseven73> i think thats the command
[21:39] <eseven73> or does swap need activating in fstab i think
[21:41] <BUGabundo> not sure!
[21:41] <BUGabundo> not my strong point
[21:41] <mvo> sweeney currently disabled, will be back again soon
[21:43] <eseven73> BUGabundo, actually swap is in my fstab so i donno lol
[21:43] <BUGabundo> eseven73: pastebin $ sudo fdisk -l
[21:43] <BUGabundo> also install pastebinit
[21:43] <BUGabundo> it makes it much easier
[21:44] <eseven73> k
[21:45] <eseven73> ok how to use pastebinit?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> man pastebin
[21:47] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:47] <BUGabundo> $ sudo fdisk -l | pastebin
[21:47] <BUGabundo> should work
[21:47] <BUGabundo> $ sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[21:47] <BUGabundo> typo
[21:47] <eseven73> yeah pastebin doesnt say how except switches like -b for URL
[21:47] <eseven73> thats why i asked :P
[21:48] <eseven73> ok
[21:48] <eseven73> http://paste.ubuntu.com/143693
[21:50] <BUGabundo> eseven73: that swap looks like small!
[21:50] <BUGabundo> akgraner: *
[21:51] <eseven73> i thought i made it 1 gig at least :/
[21:51] <acicula> eseven73: how much memory do you have?
[21:52] <eseven73> 2 gigs
[21:52] <BUGabundo> rule of tumb: 2,5 times the RAM
[21:52] <BUGabundo> to allow the PC to hibernate
[21:52] <acicula> well two anyway
[21:52] <eseven73> dont need that
[21:52] <eseven73> not a laptop
[21:52] <BUGabundo> still
[21:53] <acicula> then you are fine
[21:53] <BUGabundo> I do hibernate and suspend PCs
[21:53] <eseven73> well i dont use hibernate
[21:53] <benste> ubutnu still boots up in low grafiic mode in my VM what can I do?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> benste: what VM?
[21:54] <benste> vbox
[21:55] <benste> and a 9.04 alternate 32bit LTSP guest install
[21:55] <acicula> guest mods geinstalleerd?
[21:55] <benste> yip afeter installing guest models i wasn't able to boot up normal
[21:56] <benste> Bugabundo + manually fixing xorg.conf to use vbox grafic driver didn't work
[21:57] <BUGabundo> benste: can't help much
[21:57] <acicula> did you install them from the cd or via apt-get (try the other one)
[21:57] <benste> from CD
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I know that ibex needed some pooling to get there
[21:57] <BUGabundo> maybe jaunty needs it too
[21:57] <benste> i did that already
[21:58] <benste> but I wonder why there was already something with vbox in restricted manager before installing guest utils from CD
[21:58] <acicula> i used the driver from the repos, it works, sortof anyway
[21:58] <benste> acicula, and how can I revert to the state before installing guest utils?
[21:58] <badpenguin86> Dropbox quit working for me on jaunty. Anyone have some experience with it?
[21:59] <acicula> benste: if you used the tools from the vboxcd, not a clue
[22:00] <benste> acicula, but using the repos seemles mode doesn't work or?
[22:00] <acicula> benste: it didnt for me no
[22:00] <benste> but it did with guest utilis cd in ibex !
[22:01] <benste> so what can I do in general if Xserver fails to load and returns to low grafic,
[22:01] <benste> can't I copy the failsafe to the normal session?
[22:10] <benste> acicula got it, just cp'ed the failsafe xorg to norm xorg :-)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> don't you hate when the PC doesn't detect cd burner after hibernate?
[22:12] <eseven73> Originally I had Ubuntu then I installed ubuntu-desktop... but even with gnome selected as default session, i still get an Xubuntu startup splash screen and Exit screen, how can I change it to Ubuntu and why doesn't it do it automatically?
[22:17] <Adri2000> hi
[22:17] <BUGabundo> Adri2000: hi
[22:17] <Adri2000> anyone here affected by the amsn bug?
[22:18] <BluesKaj> yup, mine doesn't login
[22:18] <BUGabundo> a few of you guys are reporting a bug with it
[22:19] <BluesKaj> but I don't use it much
[22:19] <BluesKaj> it just sits there trying to load
[22:20] <Adri2000> BluesKaj: ok. I'm preparing a fix and looking for testers
[22:20] <joshjtl> well I don't want to say for sure yet, but by this time with the 2.6.28 & 2.6.29 kernels intel drivers were causing unrecoverable lockups, where on 2.6.27 I've yet to get one.
[22:22] <eseven73> how do I mount my hd in a live CD so i can modify my fstab file?
[22:22] <BluesKaj> Adri2000 , I removed amsn
[22:23] <SectionOne> Is there a second cd needed for the 9.04 beta server install? I keep reaching about 77% completed and then it asks for "Ubuntu-Server 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ Beta i386 (20090324.2)"
[22:24] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: what cd are you using?
[22:25] <SectionOne> the 9.04 beta i386 server iso.. the install said the media checked out..
[22:25] <BUGabundo> who did you downloaded it?
[22:25] <SectionOne> I burned the iso to a cd and have tried installing it about 10 times.. stops the same place every time..
[22:25] <BUGabundo> did you check md5?
[22:26] <Adri2000> BluesKaj: do you have some time to test a package I give you?
[22:26] <SectionOne> I downloaded the torrent version from the download section of the Ubuntu website...
[22:27] <badpenguin86> Why does the chat say not to upgrade Intrepid to Jaunty? I just did a few days ago and it went marvelously
[22:27] <SectionOne> the byte size matches the normal download version size but no, I have checked the md5
[22:27] <SectionOne> have *not* checked
[22:28] <BUGabundo> badpenguin86: news to me! I think a new bug was found
[22:29] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: can you do it ?
[22:29] <BluesKaj> sorry Adri2000, I don't ..it's almost dinnertime and then I have a gig to do afterwards
[22:29] <joshjtl> anyone know how to use raptor plasma widget? kde?
[22:29] <SectionOne> the iso or the cd itself?
[22:29] <Adri2000> BluesKaj: ok, no problem
[22:29] <thiebaude> joshjtl: im having success with the 2.6.24-24 generic kernel
[22:30] <joshjtl> thiebaude: why did you go down so far?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: iso 1st
[22:30] <thiebaude> with the newer kernels x freezes up
[22:31] <lilac> how far back does one need to go to get x working?
[22:32] <SectionOne> BUGabundo: is there an md5 utility in ubuntu to use ( i have the 64bit version of 9.04 on the machine I am using now)?
[22:32] <joshjtl> thiebaude: you tried everything after 2.6.24 ?
[22:32] <joshjtl> thiebaude: so far so good with 2.6.27 for me
[22:32] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: $ md5sum ISONAME
[22:32] <thiebaude> joshjtl: yup everything above what im using now
[22:32] <thiebaude> even 2.6.29
[22:33] <joshjtl> thiebaude: and 2.6.27 ? what intel version
[22:33] <thiebaude> 81815
[22:33] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: then check against the site where you download it or cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:33] <thiebaude> i think its part of the 304871 bug
[22:34] <joshjtl> thiebaude: and you tried 2.6.27 ? a few people found this kernel to work for them
[22:34] <showers> so anyway, i downloaded dolphin and kate last night and though they work fine, the font size of the apps is so small that it is almost indecipherable. anyone have a similar problem?
[22:34] <thiebaude> yes i tried 2.6.27 also,
[22:34] <joshjtl> huh must be different per version of card
[22:34] <thiebaude> after login x freezes and gnome is not even reconizable
[22:35] <thiebaude> i've used 81815 since ubuntu 6.06
[22:35] <SectionOne> BUGabundo: the terminal said command not found
[22:35] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:36] <showers> kate is a nice editor but only if you can see it.
[22:36] <BUGabundo> you don't have md5sum?
[22:36] <SectionOne> I typed this in the terminal window in the proper directory           $ md5sum ubuntu-9.04-beta-server-i386.iso
[22:36] <BUGabundo> *it should* work
[22:37] <showers> so close your eyes and picture this. you have just installed a new app, and instead of having the app fonts (menu fonts etc) the right size, they are the size of tiny ants
[22:37] <SectionOne> I'll check if md5sum is installed and install it if it is not..
[22:38] <thiebaude> showers: i've had that happen before
[22:38] <SectionOne> doesn't exist for me.. there is a utility called jacksum that I could install I ?
[22:39] <thiebaude> i hope my problems are solved on april 24
[22:39] <showers> so go to preferences>appearance>fonts and make changes in the font size for applications. but nothing changes. (sort of like some two party governments)
[22:39] <showers> Thiebaude, so what fixed it?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: its in coreutils package
[22:40] <BUGabundo> you *should* have that
[22:40] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: pastebin  apt-cache policy coreutils
[22:40] <SectionOne> I opened Synaptic and put md5sum in the search window.. it was *not* listed..
[22:41] <thiebaude> showers: i had to go back to 8.10 then
[22:41] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S md5sum
[22:41] <thiebaude> finally im enjoying 9.04
[22:42] <benste> I installed LAMP onto a VM with 9.04, ist there a way to use FTP and HTTP from host to the VM server'?
[22:42] <showers> thiebaude: you mean you had to re-install to a different version?
[22:42] <thiebaude> showers: what graphics card do you have?
[22:42] <thiebaude> showers: yes, many times
[22:42] <showers> ouch
[22:42] <SectionOne> BUGabundo.. don't laugh at me.. but I in fact did have it.. I thought the $ was part of the command.. ;-)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> eheheheeheheheheheheheehehhe
[22:43] <thiebaude> showers: but you know what, i stuck with 9.04
[22:44] <SectionOne> I a windows guy.. so not real up on command lines but learning.. ;-)
[22:44] <MenZa> Hmmm. Apparently Flash isn't installed, even though flashplugin-nonfree is installed on my system. :(
[22:45] <thiebaude> MenZa: try the adobe web site if you want to, they have the .deb
[22:46] <MenZa> Known issue?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> SectionOne: I know its not always easy
[22:46] <MenZa> thiebaude→ shall do
[22:46] <BUGabundo> feel free to ask
[22:46] <BUGabundo> this is not DOS, though!
[22:47] <BUGabundo> don't fear the shell!!! its much more powerful than you can imagine
[22:47] <SectionOne> BUGabundo: thnx.. I have been getting the hang of it little by little.. been running Ubuntu 9.04 64bit desktop for awhile now along with Windows 7
[22:47] <BluesKaj> MenZa, you have to install the libflashplayer.so file in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins in oreder for flash to run globally
[22:48] <SectionOne> The md5's match what is on the website..
[22:48] <BUGabundo> great SectionOne
[22:48] <BluesKaj> install = copy to
[22:48] <BUGabundo> ok so image is goo
[22:48] <BUGabundo> *good
[22:49] <BUGabundo> now to check the cd
[22:49] <BUGabundo> put it in
[22:49] <MenZa> BluesKaj→ I'm fine with Firefox support
[22:49] <BUGabundo> $ cd /cdrom
[22:49] <BUGabundo> $ md5sum -c md5sum.txt
[22:50] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: what info do I need to add to my comment on the intel bug?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> don't know
[22:50] <BUGabundo> please refresh my bad memory!
[22:51] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: oh intel bug thats causing my unrecoverable lockups
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:51] <BUGabundo> you just need to find the bug for your card
[22:51] <joshjtl> apparently similar to bug 304871
[22:51] <BUGabundo> and maybe mention your hw
[22:51] <BUGabundo> no no
[22:51] <BUGabundo> that's for 845 ALONE
[22:51] <joshjtl> ohh
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I think you have another card, right?
[22:51] <thiebaude> joshjtl: i think there are many vaiants
[22:52] <BUGabundo> bryce wants to separate them
[22:52] <joshjtl> how do i get my hw info including intel card version? do i need to install hwinfo?
[22:53] <DanaG> argh, what's with update-manager not having any changelogs?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: $ lshal or lspci -vv
[22:54] <joshjtl> hmm how can I find the bug report for this for my card
[22:54] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: better yet, pipe it to a text file and attach it
[22:55] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: via LP search or google?
[22:55] <joshjtl> yeah been trying unsuccessfully
[22:55] <BUGabundo> that bug above has a comment from bryce stating where all known bugs about this are
[22:56] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: to be honest I dont really know this is an intel bug... I only know what it does and what fixes it
[22:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:57] <ryanakca> Is it normal that I receive messages like ``[ 2105.931183] Out of memory: kill process 10065 (zsh) score 1218884 or a child'' on the command prompt
[22:58] <joshjtl> im just going to file a new one...
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:58] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: use apport
[22:58] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: whats that?
[22:58] <joshjtl> can you think of where if the error is with the intel driver it would be logged?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp xserver-xorg
[22:59] <BUGabundo> this will attach pretty much all you need
[22:59] <afallenhope> I get the following: v4l2: open /dev/video0: Permission denied
[22:59] <afallenhope> trying to load my camera.. should I just sudo it??
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> !webcam
[23:00] <thiebaude> hi ActionParsnip
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo thiebaude
[23:00] <thiebaude> haha
[23:01] <BUGabundo> afallenhope: no sudo
[23:01] <BUGabundo> you just don't have the driver
[23:01] <afallenhope> BUGabundo, wrong
[23:01] <BUGabundo> you do have it?
[23:01] <afallenhope> yes
[23:01] <afallenhope> I sudo'd and it worked..
[23:01] <BUGabundo> what does cheese or canomaran ?
[23:01] <afallenhope> xaawtv
[23:01] <afallenhope> xawtv**
[23:01] <BUGabundo> you did sudo once and manage to damage it?
[23:02] <afallenhope> ... no
[23:02] <jhal2965> Just installed jaunty beta and everytime i try to install synaptic or add remove it gives me an error and says use dpgk --configure any ideas?
[23:02] <BUGabundo> no ideas then
[23:02] <BUGabundo> file a bug
[23:02] <afallenhope> I just installed the ov51xx-jpeg driver.
[23:02] <showers> let's address connecting then. Can anyone tell me; in reasonably plain English, how to get firefox connected using the (trumpets!) 'Network Manager?
[23:02] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: before using apport do i need to reboot into the kernel that allows the problem to exist?
[23:02] <BUGabundo> jhal2965: some install package is incomplete
[23:02] <BUGabundo> run exactly that
[23:02] <dtchen> jhal2965: what happens when you use `sudo dpkg --configure -a' in a Terminal?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:03] <jhal2965> hold on let me try it
[23:03] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen good evening
[23:03] <BUGabundo> do you have time for one question?
[23:03] <afallenhope> BUGabundo, I'm guessing maybe it has to do with "video" group perhaps?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> maybe afallenhope
[23:03] <mvo_> jhal2965: did you upgrade or fresh install? if it was a upgrade, please file a bug aobut the failure
[23:03] <jhal2965> nothing happend
[23:03] <dtchen> BUGabundo: sure, but i may not answer immediately
[23:03] <BUGabundo> eheh dtchen
[23:03] <dtchen> jhal2965: now resume the dist-upgrade
[23:04] <jhal2965> It will jus install missing packages not the whole thing again right?
[23:04] <dtchen> jhal2965: correct; state is preserved
[23:04] <jhal2965> aight thanks bro
[23:05] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I use gdm auto login... and that is fine. but if I end my session and try to login again, I hear this load noise until a few secs after I enter my password
[23:05] <afallenhope> BUGabundo, how do I know if my user is apart of the "video" or "usb" groups/
[23:05] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: before using apport do i need to reboot into the kernel that allows the problem to exist?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> afallenhope: $ groups
[23:06] <showers> the whole point, in my furry little brain, was to spend LESS time messing with the OS. To be fair i've probably wasted years on windows.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: it helps.... but the bug is X, so its not required
[23:06] <afallenhope> BUGabundo, okay.. I'm not.. so how do I add myself?
[23:06] <dtchen> BUGabundo: sorry, but i have no idea of such a symptom. can you get it on video?
[23:06] <afallenhope> usermod -g video MYUSER?
[23:06] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: but if the problem is X why does downgrading kernel fix problem?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> afallenhope: $ man groupadd ?
[23:07] <afallenhope> BUGabundo, that's to add agroup..
[23:07] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I guess I can! I'll do it some day! not a very pressing issue since I don't see ppl suffering from it, and I just use autologing
[23:07] <MenZa> adduser, people
[23:08] <BUGabundo> MenZa: humm no? that's to add a new user, right?
[23:08]  * BUGabundo goes read MAN
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhh
[23:08] <BUGabundo> addgroup
[23:08] <BUGabundo> no... not that
[23:09] <BUGabundo> GUI is easier! afallenhope do you have GUI ?
[23:09] <MenZa> adduser can add you to a group, BUGabundo
[23:09] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:09] <MenZa> e.g. adduser <user> <group> should do it
[23:10] <MenZa> then log out and back in
[23:10] <BUGabundo> $ adduser --group video afallenhope ?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> hey rww
[23:10] <afallenhope> I did usermod -a -G video afh
[23:10] <afallenhope> did nothing still getting: v4l: open /dev/video0: Permission denied
[23:10] <BUGabundo> that should work too
[23:10] <BUGabundo> end session and relogin
[23:11] <BUGabundo> or ssh to your own manchine
[23:12] <jf> SBx00 Azalia = no sound? :(
[23:13] <afallenhope> woot that worked ty
[23:14] <BUGabundo> you are welcome
[23:14] <afallenhope> might want to add that to the bug list though
[23:14] <BUGabundo> too much user intervention
[23:14] <afallenhope> I did it via GUI and It was already checked..
[23:14] <BUGabundo> you did manually instaled a driver
[23:14] <BUGabundo> oh!!
[23:14] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: how can I save the output of apport?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> that is certanly a bug
[23:14] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: you don't
[23:14] <BUGabundo> its does, or sends to LP
[23:15] <afallenhope> so what I did was uncheck then recheck.. and still didn't work.
[23:15] <DanaG> ugh, anyone else getting odd freezing on opening new windows of any sort, with fglrx?
[23:15] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: how can I use the info for my bug report?
[23:15] <DanaG> It seems to be a recent thing -- last few days.
[23:15] <afallenhope> then I tried to do it via command line and it worked.
[23:15] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: running what I told you, offers an option to send to laucnhpad
[23:16] <BUGabundo> isn't it working for you ?
[23:16] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: yeah it gives me that option, but how can I attach it to this bug so that I can get answers about it
[23:16] <BUGabundo> afallenhope: ok, bug then (althougt recently many of those groups stuff is handle in a diff way)
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I would recoment to either file 1st and then talk to pitty, or even talk to him, *before* sending
[23:17] <dazjorz> Hey all
[23:17] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: currently you can't!
[23:17] <BUGabundo> open a new and mention that on the other bug
[23:17] <BUGabundo> maybe mark on dupe of the other
[23:17] <afallenhope> BUGabundo, do you know how I can edit the Xubuntu menu? I want to remove a few things and I can't seem to get int here
[23:17] <afallenhope> there**
[23:17] <BUGabundo> the one that has more information
[23:17] <dazjorz> Hey all
[23:17] <BUGabundo> afallenhope: I don't
[23:17] <MenZa> hello, dazjorz
[23:17] <DanaG> FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
[23:17] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: hey
[23:17] <dazjorz> I need MySQL embedded and qtscript-qt, but I can't find them in the Jaunty reps
[23:17] <dazjorz> hey MenZa and BUGabundo :)
[23:18] <dazjorz> (at least, Amarok's cmake process says they aren't installed...)
[23:18] <eseven73> BUGabundo,  ok I think I fixed my ram issue (i made the swap 5 gigs LOL) and it shows I have 1525 ram out of 2011 free but it still says I dont have enough memory to report the bug
[23:19] <BUGabundo> eseven73: yeah I got some feed back on that, but it didn't lead any further
[23:19] <BUGabundo> mvo_: still around?
[23:22] <dazjorz> * s i g h * why do these packages seem to be missing :S
[23:22] <dtchen> dazjorz: instead of using apt-get build-dep amarok ?
[23:23] <dazjorz> dtchen: already did that, after that it couldn't find mysqld and qtscript-qt
[23:23] <dazjorz> I'm thinking about commenting them out in the cmake file in case I have them but cmake thinks I don't
[23:23] <mvo_> BUGabundo: yes
[23:23] <mvo_> BUGabundo: but pretty tired
[23:23] <dtchen> dazjorz: have you consulted debian/rules?
[23:23] <themiddleman> I'm trying to install jaunty on ext4, I have a partition formatted with it but in the installer, in the manual partitioning there is no ext4 option
[23:23] <dazjorz> dtchen: hmm, let's see, yeah
[23:23] <KDesk> hi
[23:24] <BUGabundo> mvo_: can you help eseven73 jump start ?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> KDesk: hey
[23:24] <temporarytao> anybody got issues with their sound after yesterday's update?
[23:24] <dtchen> temporarytao: what sort of issues?
[23:24] <temporarytao> no sound
[23:24] <dtchen> more specifically?
[23:25] <mvo_> BUGabundo, eseven73: if that is a apport bugreport problem, then pitti is probably the right one
[23:25] <dazjorz> dtchen: looking at the source package, debian does some weird things with amarok
[23:25] <BUGabundo> mvo_: yeah! but apport won't even file it
[23:25] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:25] <temporarytao> dtchen, the system has no sound at all. used to work the day before but after the latest updates, it's gone.
[23:25] <dtchen> temporarytao: it would help if you ran http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[23:26] <dtchen> temporarytao: it's a bash script, so invoke it explicitly with bash, not sh
[23:26] <BUGabundo> dtchen: still no package for it?
[23:26] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i already mentioned that in my latest blog entry
[23:26] <KDesk> I have 3D performance probelms in jaunty. I think those are relatet to the intel video driver, so I was trying to downgrade intel 2.6 to intel 2.2 or 2.4 (from hardy and gutsy) But I have conflicts with xorg-xserver-core which conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-2 and -4. What are those? Who can I install and older version of the intel driver?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> wget, chmod, run, copy link, file, is too many steps for noobs
[23:26] <temporarytao> hmmm....updates just finished installing and it machine needs restart.
[23:26] <temporarytao> however, tried the sound and its back on again!!! :D
[23:26] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I have a big backlog on feeds....
[23:26] <temporarytao> that was quick!
[23:27] <dtchen> BUGabundo: (no, it doesn't/won't ship in jaunty's alsa-driver due to lack of auditing, and i'm not going to put the current git version in alsa-driver now)
[23:27] <crdlb> KDesk: I suggest seeing if the regression is resolved before release
[23:27] <crdlb> if that doesn't happen, then you can try something drastic ...
[23:27] <temporarytao> ubuntu is awesome!!!
[23:27] <dtchen> luke and i will be rewriting it
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ok dtchen
[23:27] <BUGabundo> nice to know
[23:30] <KDesk> crdlb: With the intel 2.5 and 2.6 and 2.7 is this performance regresion, there are also some bugs. I read it will be fixed with GEM and maybe with intel 2.8. So, my latest working driver was the one of Hardy. Are the older drivers incopatible with the newer xserver?
[23:30] <crdlb> KDesk: without a recompile, probably
[23:31] <crdlb> actually, I guess it's possible that not even a recompile would be enough
[23:32]  * crdlb is not sure how much they change the xserver driver apis
[23:32] <bjsnider> crdlb, i think with all of the gem/dri2/uxa stuff, that there's really a lot more different between the old x-server and 1.6 don't you?
[23:32] <badpenguin86> If there are any devs in here.. Thanks for all your hard work! Love Jaunty
[23:33] <KDesk> crdlb: oh, so its more complicated that what I thought... I will see If I have some luck, thanks for the help crdlb!
[23:33] <gundam_rx78nt1> upon installation of 9.04, it say I have 300 updates to do. I tried to do them and it fails on the download.
[23:33] <gundam_rx78nt1> Is there any way to get this fixed?
[23:33] <crdlb> bjsnider: well, that's generally optional (or entirely part of the intel driver)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> gundam_rx78nt1: close all update apps
[23:33] <BUGabundo> and try to run from clu
[23:33] <BUGabundo> *cli
[23:34] <BUGabundo> if the error popsup again, pastebin it and let us know
[23:34] <Jordan_U> crdlb, If you remember yesterday I asked if with UXA in jaunty you would get Redirected Direct Rendering, I tried it and you do :)
[23:34] <crdlb> Jordan_U: cool
[23:34] <BUGabundo> gundam_rx78nt1: $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:35] <gundam_rx78nt1> BUGabundo: Thanks.
[23:35] <BUGabundo> gundam_rx78nt1: np
[23:35] <KDesk> Jordan_U: but it is more buggy than windows...
[23:36] <Jordan_U> Should I not submit info from System > Administration > System Testing from pre-release versions of Ubuntu?
[23:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> BUGabundo: here is the error I get: http://pastebin.com/m7d866989
[23:38] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:39] <BUGabundo> your mirror is failing
[23:39] <BUGabundo> try to change the mirror and try again
[23:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok... newbie alert :)
[23:40] <themiddleman> anyone know anything about my problem?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> gundam_rx78nt1: System-> Administration->software sources
[23:41] <BUGabundo> then choose another mirror, on the list below
[23:41] <BUGabundo> themiddleman: what is it?
[23:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I am doing that right now.
[23:44] <eseven73> BUGabundo, are you good with having atop make logs? I'm trying atop -w logname -a 15:42 -e 16:00
[23:45] <BUGabundo> never tried it
[23:45] <themiddleman> I'm trying to install jaunty on ext4, I have a partition formatted with it but in the installer, in the manual partitioning there is no ext4 option
[23:46] <BUGabundo> themiddleman: is it a recent image?
[23:46] <themiddleman> todays
[23:47] <BUGabundo> that's strange
[23:47] <themiddleman> indeed
[23:48] <MenZa> That's a bug if I ever saw one ;o
[23:48] <oskar-> themiddleman:  can grub already handle ext4?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> if you reboot and test again, does it happen again?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> oskar-: yes
[23:48] <BUGabundo> for some time now
[23:48] <themiddleman> no I didnt, I just am installing it with ext3 and will convert it since it seems to be a easy process
[23:49] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:49] <BUGabundo> but after install test to see if it works or fails
[23:49] <BUGabundo> if it fails, please open a bug
[23:49] <themiddleman> ok
[23:49] <themiddleman> could be a scratch in my cd
[23:49] <themiddleman> heh
[23:50] <MenZa> I... doubt that
[23:50] <themiddleman> are they still disabling ctrl-alt-backspace?
[23:50] <MenZa> yup, themiddleman
[23:50] <MenZa> I fixed mine with dontzap
[23:50] <BUGabundo> mine doesn't work
[23:50] <BUGabundo> don't know why
[23:50] <joshjtl> is there a kde 4 sound recorder?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> I did run $dontzap -d
[23:51] <themiddleman> I will do the same, but I disagree with the decision
[23:52] <Ienorand> themiddleman: Replaced it with ALT+PrntScrn+K, a much better compination in my opinion, provided it works just as consistently... (Not to confuse with SysRq combinations)
[23:52] <themiddleman> o, they did?!
[23:52] <Ienorand> I think that is the plan.
[23:53] <themiddleman> that was my thought - that is change it to a less obvious key combo
[23:53] <Ienorand> More importantly, less natural combination.
[23:54] <themiddleman> yep
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: doesn't work on my laptop
[23:54] <lilac> if anyone is keeping score, X seems reliable on 2.6.27 with a radeon mobility X1400 (as long as you keep DRI and Xinerama disabled)
[23:54] <lilac> enable DRI or xinerama and it segfaults on startup
[23:55] <Ienorand> ..although alt+PrntScrn is used for screenshots of separate windows...
[23:55] <MenZa> Well, yes
[23:55] <MenZa> But I doubt a lot of people press 'k' accidentally
[23:55] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: And CAB does?
[23:56] <themiddleman> sadly on my laptop I would have to hold down fn also, so I will have to use my nose for k
[23:56] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: doesn't either
[23:56] <afallenhope> is there a reason as to why when I hit a certain key it repeats itself a thousand times?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> themiddleman: eheheheh me too
[23:57] <themiddleman> though (it's done installing) the combo isn't working for me
[23:59] <themiddleman> I took a lot of screenshots though, and screenshots of the screenshot window
[23:59] <Ienorand> themiddleman: My guess is that A+P+K should work whenever CAB would've worked, but that's just my experience...