[00:11] <bdrung> ebroder, micahg: are you happy with the result: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bdrung/sponsoring/ ?
[00:12] <ebroder> bdrung: Looks good to me, modulo minor whining about sorttable not sorting the time in queue column correctly, but I still think it's an awesome improvement
[00:14] <bdrung> ebroder: fix sorttable ;)
[00:15] <bcurtiswx> an error like http://paste.ubuntu.com/533289/ , would I try to fix something in libindicate.patch or configure.ac ?
[00:16] <bcurtiswx> i.e. what file should I be looking at those error lines
[00:16] <bdrung> bcurtiswx: at configure.ac
[00:18] <bcurtiswx> bdrung, configure.ac doesn't have a line 597
[00:18] <micahg> bdrung: yes, looks good
[00:19] <bdrung> bcurtiswx: that may be the reason why it failed to apply
[00:22] <bcurtiswx> bdrung, hmm, k thx
[01:45] <bcurtiswx> whats the proper way to edit hunks in a patch?  i found the problem and know the issue
[01:46] <bcurtiswx> manually edit the patch, or is there some other commands that are proper
[01:47] <micahg> bcurtiswx: in Lucid and later there should be edit-patch
[01:48] <bcurtiswx> is it self-explanatory ?
[01:48] <micahg> bcurtiswx: if it's source format 3, there's quilt
[01:48] <micahg> bcurtiswx: there should be a man page :)
[01:48] <bcurtiswx> well i know man pages can be very confusing :P
[01:48] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: you can edit it manually and then use editdiff
[01:48] <kklimonda> by hand*
[01:49] <micahg> kklimonda: there are tools for patch editing which make it easier
[01:49] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: or maybe it's rediff for hand edited diffs and editdiff just wraps around it - see man editdiff :)
[01:50] <micahg> kklimonda: hmmm...that's a nice tool though :)
[01:50] <micahg> assuming you're working in one file
[01:50] <kklimonda> micahg: well, his question was about editing hunks in a patch itself :)
[01:51] <bcurtiswx> kklimonda, so if i have the diff that worked before and the new diff.. rediff will work on those two?
[01:51] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: no, I don't think it's that smart :)
[01:51] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: rediff most likely fixes stuff like offsets etc.
[01:52] <bcurtiswx> yeah, im reading the man on it..
[01:52] <bcurtiswx> Then run rediff, telling it the name of the original diff file and the name of the one you have edited
[01:53] <bcurtiswx> so you need the original (before edits)...
[01:53] <bcurtiswx> then rename the edited one?
[01:53] <nigelb> wouldn't there be a .rej file?
[01:58] <bcurtiswx> nigelb,  I don't see a .rej file
[01:59] <nigelb> bcurtiswx: ok, I think that's when you force the patch to apply.  Apologies :)
[02:00] <bcurtiswx> nigelb, no no, thanks for the help :)
[02:00] <nigelb> :)
[02:01] <bcurtiswx> ah i found the .rej file
[02:02] <bcurtiswx> it was on the configure.ac
[02:02] <bcurtiswx> shows the parts that were rejected
[02:02] <bcurtiswx> how would I use that and the orig to fix the diff
[02:03] <bcurtiswx> would that be what rediff is saying when i need two diff files ?
[02:06] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: to be honest, what I when patche doesn't apply is that:
[02:06] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx: 1) quilt push -f
[02:06] <kklimonda> it creates a .rej file
[02:06] <kklimonda> I deal with it
[02:07] <kklimonda> I think by using quilt edit file
[02:07] <kklimonda> or maybe just normal editing..
[02:07] <kklimonda> and then I generate a new patch - all thanks to power of vcs :)
[02:10] <micahg> kklimonda: that would be normal editing after step 1, then quilt refresh
[02:11] <micahg> I happen to use this: quilt refresh --diffstat -U8 --no-timestamps
[02:12] <kklimonda> micahg: ah, good to know - I wasn't sure if I didn't dream this up :)
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> so i 1) quilt push -f
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> 2) edit the file, don't worry about editing counts
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> or do i use quilt edit ?
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> 3) once done, quilt refresh --diffstat -U8 --no-timestamps ?
[02:13] <kklimonda> I think you should use quilt edit but if micahg says otherwise then listen to him :)
[02:14] <micahg> bcurtiswx: also, if you need to add a file to the diff, use quilt add before editing, otherwise, just a regular editor (quilt knowns which patch you're on (quilt top)
[02:16] <micahg> bcurtiswx: you can use quilt edit if you want (I never have had a need)
[02:16] <micahg> bcurtiswx: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html
[02:22] <bcurtiswx> micahg, hmm, im using an ~ubuntu-desktop bzr branch where only the debian directory is provided.. would I need to get the entire source before editing the patches?
[02:25] <micahg> bcurtiswx: with this method, yes
[02:25] <ebroder> bcurtiswx: I don't know for sure, but you might want to check out http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/merge.html
[02:25] <ebroder> (for getting your working copy setup)
[02:26] <micahg> we (mozilla team) have a get-orig-source rule to get the source and we just have the debian dir as well, idk how the desktop team does things
[02:28] <ScottK> Desktop team also just tracks /debian in bzr (as does Kubuntu as well)
[02:28] <micahg> ScottK: right, but idk how they get their source tarball :)
[02:28] <ScottK> Unless it's a new upstream version you're packaging, apt-get source works.
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> i got it, i remember bzr bd-do
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> but now, this is weird (to me at least)
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> the bzr bd fails at a patch, but by bzr bd-do and using quilt push -f, the patch works fine
[02:33] <bcurtiswx> ScottK: ^^ any ideas why?
[02:34] <ScottK> Because the bzr stuff is complicated and confusing.
[02:34] <kklimonda> +1
[02:34] <bcurtiswx> ScottK: how could I work around this?
[02:35] <ScottK> I generally apt-get source the package, make a local branch of the /debian and then use diff and patch to copy stuff between the package and bzr.
[02:35] <ajmitch> revu's list is depressingly long at the moment
[02:35] <ScottK> ajmitch: You have root where it's db lives.  You can fix this.
[02:35] <ScottK> Then I use normal dpkg like tools to build the packages.
[02:35] <ajmitch> ScottK: tempting, given that I'm wanting to migrate it to another host
[02:36] <kklimonda> "oops, something broke"? :)
[02:36] <ajmitch> there's a large number of packages on revu from 2009
[02:37] <ajmitch> I've archived a small number of packages that were uploaded to revu & then made their way into debian
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> will quilt fix the patches (after it finds how far away it is from before).. if so I can copy the fixed patch to the bzr branch
[02:38] <bcurtiswx> so when I quilt push -f to the patch that caused errors before, and it correctly applies the patch, will it go ahead and edit the patch as well updating the offsets it found ?
[02:38] <bcurtiswx> or do i have to run another command to do that
[02:38] <psusi> you need to quilt refresh to do that
[02:39] <bcurtiswx> psusi, right after the patch applies correctly, or do I need to go through the entire thing?
[02:39] <ajmitch> Do you think it's worth us scheduling a REVU day or two before feature freeze?
[02:40]  * ajmitch is undecided as to whether we want yet more packages in universe :)
[02:40] <psusi> generally if the patch does not apply cleanly,  you want to force the first patch that failed to apply, review it, make any corrections needed, and once you are sure it has been applied correctly to the new source, quilt refresh, then move to the next patch
[02:40] <ScottK> ajmitch: I think if someone is willing to coordinate them, we ought to start now.
[02:40] <kklimonda> ajmitch: only if they come with maintainers :)
[02:40] <ajmitch> kklimonda: right, that'
[02:40]  * psusi wouldn't mind getting the defrag package back into the official archive
[02:40] <ajmitch> that's something we'd have to require, I think
[02:40] <ebroder> Do we have any uscanning infrastructure?
[02:40] <ebroder> For keeping track of new versions
[02:40] <ajmitch> UEHS
[02:41] <ajmitch> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/
[02:41] <ajmitch> I'd have to check whether it's up to date
[02:42] <kklimonda> it doesn't work
[02:42] <ajmitch> be more specific
[02:43] <kklimonda> I've typped two packages I know are outdated and have working watch files and it just shows empty page
[02:43]  * psusi really would like to get the defrag package back into universe, and updated to provide a nice alternate grub boot entry to perform a defrag of the root fs and optimize for boot time, coordinated with ureadahead
[02:43] <ajmitch> kklimonda: examples?
[02:43] <kklimonda> well - "empty" as in with header and footer but without any data :)
[02:43] <kklimonda> ajmitch: hamster-applet and transmission
[02:44] <bcurtiswx> seems to have worked.. the bzr bd failed, but i did bzr bd-do and manually pushed up until the patch that was failing.. saw it succeeded.. did a quilt refresh.. it updated that patch and i got out of the build environment, saw the patch was fixed and so far the build is going OK
[02:44] <ajmitch> kklimonda: thanks, I'll take a look as to why
[02:44] <bcurtiswx> much thanks to all who helped :)
[02:44] <ajmitch> psusi: convince a nice friendly person around here to upload it, then the rest can be sorted out )
[02:46] <psusi> ajmitch, you are nice and friendly... care to upload it? ;)
[02:46] <ajmitch> no I'm mean & nasty
[02:46] <psusi> I've had it updated and working and packaged on lp for several months now... so far the only comments I have had about it are 1) don't put the debian/ directory in the "upstream" release, and update to a more recent deb-helper
[02:47] <ScottK> That and he lives in NZ so uploads take an eternity due to the soda straw through which he has to do them.
[02:47] <ajmitch> & trying to sort out these ubuntuwire tools
[02:47] <RAOF> psusi: Last time we discussed this, questions like “how much error detection does this do, and will it eat people's data” came up.
[02:47] <ScottK> Ohhh.  A voice from amongst that almost nearly as badly bandwidth deprived ...
[02:48] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:48] <psusi> RAOF, hence the big warning made very prominent in the package description ( more so than it was last time it actually was in the official repos )
[02:48]  * ajmitch remembers being around for that data-eating discussion
[02:48] <ajmitch> apart from that, I don't think there were objections, were there?
[02:48] <ajmitch> I suspect it's that none of us want to take responsibility for uploading something to kill data :)
[02:49] <RAOF> No.  From memory, my position was that a warning in the package description was insufficient, and the binary should also prominantly warn.
[02:49] <psusi> I'm all for adding a "Hey dummy, you DID back up this volume first, right?" message ;)
[02:49] <ajmitch> wgrant: does UEHS need to be manually updated in several places to check natty?
[02:50] <ajmitch> or at least in update_wwwal.sh
[02:50] <wgrant> ajmitch: It probably will, yeah.
[02:50] <wgrant> ajmitch: There's a file in my ~ describing the changes that it needs.
[02:50] <ajmitch> ok, will check that out
[02:51] <ajmitch> just trying to see why there's still a run.lock file around for it
[02:51] <psusi> it just gets me that this was in the archives for so many years when it was confirmed that it did not work, and would eat your data, and now I've had it working well as far as I know for months ;)
[02:52] <wgrant> ajmitch: I'd do it myself, but I'm currently trying to defeat Launchpad.
[02:52] <psusi> especially when it can lead to sub 10 second boot times on modest rotational hard disks
[02:52] <ajmitch> wgrant: yeah, I saw you trying to break stuff in #lp-dev
[02:53] <wgrant> Yeah...
[02:54] <bcurtiswx> build success, woo... updating changelog and will request SRU shortly (empathy 2.32.1-0ubuntu1)
[02:55] <ajmitch> psusi: it's just that we know what users are like with ignoring warnings & being willing to do something for speed
[02:55] <ajmitch> automatix, anyone?
[02:55] <ajmitch> we shouldn't try & protect users too much, but at least let them know of consequences
[02:55] <ScottK> psusi: Did you try to get it into Debian?
[02:55] <psusi> ScottK, nope...
[02:56] <psusi> it was in debian... it was dropped after having no maintainer for many years...
[02:56] <ScottK> We'd get it via autosync then and none of us objecting would be likely to stop it.
[02:56] <ScottK> Right, but if you want to maintain it, then go for it.
[02:56] <ajmitch> I suspect it could be easier & more beneficial to be in debian
[02:57] <psusi> well, I have made an effort to adopt it and become upstream maintainer of it.. I host the project now on lp
[02:57] <psusi> but it seems like I would have to become a debian developer to get it into debia
[02:57] <psusi> debian...
[02:57] <ajmitch> no you don't
[02:57] <ScottK> No, you can get sponsored into Debian.
[02:57] <psusi> hrm... got a url for the debian sponsorship process?
[02:57] <ScottK> It might even be that one or more of the people you're chatting with are DDs and could sponsor it.
[02:57] <ajmitch> see mentors.debian.net for a useful place for finding sponsors, or you can ask any DDs that you know
[02:58]  * psusi doesn't knowingly now any these days, having used Ubuntu instead of debian since '04 or so
[02:59]  * ajmitch has heard that ScottK has plenty of bandwidth
[02:59]  * RAOF knows that at least two of your interlocutors are DDs
[03:00] <psusi> quam interloqutor?
[03:01]  * psusi might be a bit drunk, and might have just slipped into Latin
[03:29] <bcurtiswx> not sure who to ping for SRU but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/675555
[03:36] <ebroder> bcurtiswx: We don't generally take upstream microreleases as-is. Instead we prefer to backport the patches that are relevant
[03:37] <ebroder> The wiki talks more about it:
[03:37] <ebroder> !sru | bcurtiswx
[03:37] <ajmitch> empathy may be a special case if it's part of the usual gnome release set
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> didrocks would know best, i can bother him tomorrow
[03:38] <ebroder> But we only do that for LTS, right?
[03:39] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure that's for all releases.
[03:39] <ebroder> bcurtiswx: Also, your branch doesn't change anything except for the configure.ac file. All of the other changes are just in the patch metadata
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> ebroder, i bugged the desktop team as im using the ~ubuntu-desktop/empathy/ubuntu branch (thats how they maintain it).  i didn't edit anything escept the debian/changelog with the exception of having to update a patch so the offsets were better..
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> except*
[03:45] <ebroder> bcurtiswx: Sorry, I'll stop throwing criticisms when I don't understand the situation now
[03:46] <bcurtiswx> ebroder, yeah, i can be confusing.  I'll talk with didrocks (who maintains the branch i'm working on) and seb128 who's been helping me learn MOTU here and there.. much appreciate your help :)
[06:16] <kaushal> hi
[06:16] <kaushal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/651720
[06:16] <kaushal> is version 5.2 available in Hardy backports ?
[06:27] <kklimonda> no
[07:23] <Rhonda> kaushal: http://packages.ubuntu.com/openssh and you can answer yourself. ;)
[07:24] <Rhonda> … and the answer in that bugreport is pretty exhaustive, isn't it?
[07:28] <kaushal> what does openssh-server 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2
[07:28] <kaushal> what does 1:4.7p1.... mean ?
[07:29] <kaushal> Rhonda: so add that line as per the bug report
[07:34] <Rhonda> 1: is a debian/ubuntu internal sorting enhancement in case one had to go back with version schema.
[07:34] <Rhonda> Only 4.7p1 is the real upstream version.
[07:36] <micahg> kaushal: did you see the cve tracker link I gave you about this?
[07:39] <kaushal> micahg: not sure
[07:39] <kaushal> I might have missed it
[07:39] <kaushal> micahg: please paste it again
[07:39] <micahg> kaushal: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2008/CVE-2008-5161.html
[07:41] <kaushal> micahg: Thanks
[07:41]  * kaushal reading it
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:52] <hyperair> kaushal: i thought someone told you to use the workaround yesterday
[07:57] <Rhonda> And actually I guess these kind of questions are better suited in #ubuntu, this channel is about packaging efforts.
[07:58] <micahg> Rhonda: I answered the question in -hardened yesterday
[07:58] <kaushal> hyperair: nope
[07:59] <kaushal> so use the workaround as suggested
[07:59] <kaushal> right ?
[08:00] <Rhonda> Yes.
[08:00] <hyperair> yes
[08:00] <kaushal> Thanks a lot
[08:00] <kaushal> So do i need to rescan again ?
[08:00] <kaushal> I mean the OpenVAS Scanner
[08:01] <kaushal> after setting the workaround
[08:01] <hyperair> kaushal: scottk told you to use the workaround listed in the bug report yesterday..
[08:01] <hyperair> kaushal: and you even posted the Ciphers line
[08:01] <kaushal> hyperair: yes
[08:01] <hyperair> it was just 16 hours ago!
[08:01] <kaushal> apologies
[08:02] <Rhonda> kaushal: The scanner only goes by version number, it doesn't try the exploit.
[08:02] <hyperair> kaushal: you probably want to reload/restart your ssh server as well
[08:02] <Rhonda> kaushal: So the scanner actually will always produce false positives.
[08:02]  * micahg gave a link to the CVE tracker with the Ciphers listed about 19 hrs ago
[08:02] <kaushal> so rescanning wont help
[08:02] <kaushal> right
[08:02] <kaushal> just to understand more
[08:02] <Rhonda> It will still show you as being affected, yes.
[08:03] <kaushal> ah ok
[08:03] <kaushal> Rhonda: Thanks
[08:03] <kaushal> hyperair: Thanls
[08:03] <kaushal> micahg: Thanks
[08:03] <kaushal> Thanks a Lot all
[08:03] <Rhonda> If you use such tools you should learn about its limitations.
[08:03] <kaushal> since i need to be doubly sure to put forward in front of my organization
[08:03] <kaushal> Rhonda: :)
[08:04] <hyperair> kaushal: if you wanted to be really sure, use a newer LTS.
[08:04] <Rhonda> Scanners usually only do non-intrusive tests, and that is plain version comparision.
[08:04] <hyperair> i think hardy is no longer supported.
[08:04] <kaushal> hyperair: it is
[08:04] <hyperair> oh it is?
[08:04] <hyperair> whoops
[08:04] <kaushal> uptill 1012
[08:04] <micahg> hyperair: hardy is supported on teh server until Apr 2013
[08:04] <Rhonda> That though won't work at all when the fixes get backported instead of blindly rolling out the new version (with all new bugs included, too)
[08:04] <hyperair> i see
[08:04] <kaushal> sorry Apr 2013
[08:04] <hyperair> that's long, yeah
[08:05] <Rhonda> hyperair: the server packages, not the whole of hardy
[08:05] <hyperair> Rhonda: right.
[08:05] <Rhonda> It's even on the entry page of wiki.ubuntu.com  ;)
[08:05] <micahg> and core server, with Dapper it was about 80 packages IIRC
[08:05] <Rhonda>
[08:05] <Rhonda> Supported until April 2011 (Desktop) or April 2013 (Server)
[08:05] <hyperair> well, now you know i don't go to the entry page of wiki.ubuntu.com much ;-)
[08:06] <Rhonda> Right, just mentioning it that the information isn't hidden very deep. :)
[08:06] <hyperair> yeah well =)
[08:06] <hyperair> i think wikipedia also has it listed
[08:07] <jpds> hyperair: /Releases
[08:08] <hyperair> jpds: ?
[08:08] <jpds> hyperair: w.u.c/Releases
[08:08] <hyperair> ah
[08:14] <Rhonda> jpds: It's all on the main page too, at least the most important data.
[08:15] <jpds> Rhonda: Woohoo, redundancy.
[08:15] <Rhonda> I guess H was left out after Gutsy to not have a repeat?
[08:15] <Rhonda> I would have voted for horny horses (and then run away like one ...)
[08:16] <Rhonda> But why wasn't there a cuddly chipmunk after breezy?
[08:17] <Rhonda> copyright issues? ;)
[08:18] <micahg> Rhonda: Hardy Heron?
[08:18] <Rhonda> Right, just noticed.
[08:19]  * Rhonda . o O ( ogling owl )
[10:47] <happyaron> What should be done when a package found to be not comply DFSG and should be removed from archive?
[10:48] <wgrant> happyaron: Which package? What's wrong with the license?
[10:49] <Rhonda> happyaron: File a bugreport against it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[10:49] <happyaron> wgrant: fcitx, an required file in it can only be used to the specific package and cannot be reused by other projects
[10:49] <happyaron> Rhonda: thanks
[10:50] <Rhonda> happyaron: And also please file a serious bugreport in the Debian bugtracker if the package is still in there, too.
[10:50] <Rhonda> Otherwise it will get autosynced back into Ubuntu and you wasted your own effort. :)
[10:51] <happyaron> Rhonda: there is RM request on bts against ftp.debian.org
[10:51] <happyaron> Rhonda: the problem should be solved in upstream's upcoming major release, but older versions should be removed
[10:52] <happyaron> they are debian 603569, debian 603570 and debian 603571
[10:53] <wgrant> It's redistributable, so it's not absolutely critical.
[10:53] <happyaron> we can distribute it in archive, but it doesn't comply DFSG, that's the problem
[10:54] <wgrant> Right.
[13:03] <ScottK> happyaron: So it should be moved to Multiverse, not removed entirely.
[13:06] <happyaron> ScottK: thanks
[13:06] <ScottK> happyaron: Please update the bug to ask it to be moved.
[13:07] <happyaron> ScottK: okay
[13:18] <Rhonda> And in Debian moved to non-free
[13:18] <Rhonda> Unless the maintainer really doesn't want to continue to maintain it.
[13:19] <happyaron> er, busy right now, will change soon
[13:19] <happyaron> in fact, the upcoming release will be dfsg free, so moving to non-free is not a good idea
[13:22] <Rhonda> When is the release expected? Maybe the removal from unstable/natty can wait for that?
[13:22] <Rhonda> So that the package won't have to run through NEW again?
[13:26] <happyaron> Rhonda: the upstream release will be in a week or so hopefully, but the I don't have enough time to have a quick version for Debian then. The package was maintained by another person, but he doesn't give any feedback, so I plan to do it myself
[13:29] <ScottK> happyaron: At least in Ubuntu, it's very easy to get it moved back to Universe when there's a free version available.
[13:30] <happyaron> ScottK: that's good
[13:30] <happyaron> changing the ubuntu bug now
[13:32] <ScottK> Perhaps DktrKranz can advise you on the best thing in Debian ...
[13:34] <happyaron> yes... the bug on Debian BTS was filed by a DD, not me...though I found the problem when working on 4.0rc1
[13:34] <Rhonda> happyaron: Will the new upstream release be that much changed that the release team will _not_ let it go into squeeze? Or is ist "just" the licensing adjust?
[13:34] <happyaron> ScottK: changed, thanks
[13:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:34] <happyaron> Rhonda: a major release
[13:35] <Rhonda> then I fear it won't make it into squeeze :/
[13:35] <happyaron> with a lot of new features, so perhaps release team will not let it go into squeeze.
[13:35] <ScottK> happyaron: Perhaps upstream could relicense the existing file in the current release and documentation of that could be added to debian/copyright?
[13:35] <Rhonda> Unless the licensing fixes can get extracted explicitly into the package
[13:36] <ScottK> Licensing "fix" could be an email from the copyright holder.
[13:36] <happyaron> ScottK: nope, the copyright holder didn't response, at least till now
[13:36] <Rhonda> It would be really swift if you could check for that.
[13:36] <ScottK> Ah.  That makes it tough.
[13:36] <Rhonda> So what's the upstream fix for the issue?
[13:37] <happyaron> Rhonda: change to use another set of data that doesn't have the problem
[13:37] <happyaron> Rhonda: it could be backport to the 3.6.x branch easily if I'm not wrong
[13:39] <happyaron> Rhonda: but will cause noticeable change on user experience, because it is a data file of an input method
[13:39] <Rhonda> huhm
[13:39] <Rhonda> Better discuss the issue with the release team directly, then.
[13:40] <Rhonda> #debian-release on oftc. Or better, mail debian-release
[13:40] <happyaron> okay, thanks
[13:40] <Rhonda> @lists.debian.org of course :)
[13:40] <happyaron> :)
[14:02] <DktrKranz> ScottK: about?
[14:02] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Yes.
[14:03] <DktrKranz> so, re-enter a package previously dropped?
[14:03] <ScottK> Well the question is how to deal with non-freeness and how hard it would be to get back from non-free to Main once the problem is fixed.
[14:03] <ScottK> It does seem that happyaron and Rhonda have come up with a possibly better solution.
[14:04] <DktrKranz> just upload to main
[14:04] <DktrKranz> it will have to pass NEW again, though
[14:06] <lucidfox> YokoZar, what's multiarch?
[14:19] <geser> lucidfox: having multiple architectures installed in parallel, e.g. being able to run 32 bit apps (i386) on an amd64 installation
[14:20] <geser> which means you have to have also all needed 32bit libs installed (next to the 64bit ones)
[18:14] <SpamapS> ScottK: those little arm build boxes you had at UDS... do they have USB ports?
[18:14] <ScottK> SpamapS: They do.
[18:14] <ScottK> Two in fact.
[18:14] <SpamapS> ScottK: do you by any chance know where they can be bought, and/or what the model number is? I want one.
[18:15] <ScottK> SpamapS: https://www.genesi-usa.com/store/details/11
[18:16] <ScottK> SpamapS: They come with Karmic on them, but there will be a Natty kernel for them as well.
[18:16] <SpamapS> fantastic.
[18:16] <Laney> Some (mine) come with Maverick
[18:16] <Laney> I can't remember why...
[18:16] <SpamapS> I want to use it a) to build arm stuff, and b) to run a local mirror.
[18:16] <ScottK> Laney: I don't think those are production models.
[18:16] <ScottK> SpamapS: I do builds in a natty chroot just fine.
[18:16] <Laney> ok
[18:17] <ScottK> Laney: Check though, it probably has a maverick userspace and a Karmic kernel.
[18:17] <micahg> mine came with Maverick also, but a Karmic kernel
[18:17] <SpamapS> I actually don't have any "always on" computers in my house.. but its either have a local apt cache/mirror.. or upgrade my u-verse from 7Mbit to 20Mbit so I can stop waiting to bootstrap everything :p
[18:17] <Laney> laney@efikamx:~$ uname -a
[18:17] <Laney> Linux efikamx <IP_ADDRESS>-efikamx #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 14 22:23:30 CDT 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux
[18:18] <ScottK> SpamapS: The USB port is the reason I can build qt4-x11 on it.  I bought a 16GB USB stick and mounted it as /var/cache.
[18:18]  * micahg thought there was a maverick kernel for these boards
[18:18] <ScottK> Laney: That's Karmic.
[18:18] <Laney> Yeah
[18:18] <ScottK> I've got one of those too.
[18:18] <ScottK> Does yours shutdown cleanly?
[18:18] <SpamapS> ScottK: I have two 1TB USB drives that are grossly underused.. so local mirror seems a good choice given the number of builds/packages/merges/etc. I do.
[18:18] <Laney> About to restart it, so we'll see. Don't remember any problems though.
[18:19] <SpamapS> that way I can also keep bringing one of the 1TB drives with me on trips.
[18:22] <highvoltage> I wish these kind of devices would switch to ARM: http://store.computer-source.ca/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=77060
[18:22] <highvoltage> (I guess it's just a matter of time)
[18:25] <Laney> ScottK: shut down just fine
[18:25] <ScottK> Thanks.  Must be something odd in my box then.
[18:29] <SpamapS> highvoltage: they'll switch when its cheaper for them.
[18:29] <SpamapS> highvoltage: or if they get wise to the "green economy" and can say "the low carbon footprint storage solution"
[18:41] <ari-tczew> whoa, how much core-devs are coming! and zero MOTUs this time
[18:43] <ajmitch> hm?
[18:43] <geser> ajmitch: see DMB agenda
[18:45] <ajmitch> right
[19:58] <ari-tczew> pull-debian-source doesn't work in natty :(
[19:59] <ari-tczew> The source package konversation isn't available in Debian testing.
[19:59] <jpds> Nice.
[20:00] <ajmitch> that seems just a bit broken
[20:09] <Laney> good job it's foss ;-)
[20:11] <ajmitch> Laney: it wouldn't have helped if it was looking at a broken site for its data
[20:11] <ajmitch> but qa.debian.org/madison.php is giving me the right output
[20:14] <Laney> i bet it's the multiple source entries thing
[20:19] <geser> as far as I can tell, only one version in testing
[20:20] <Laney> I think the "testing" part is misleading
[20:20] <Laney> a bug in the error message, it's actually looking in unstable
[20:23] <ajmitch> funnily enough, appending testing to the command line does fetch it
[20:23] <Laney> exactly
[20:23] <ajmitch> pull-debian-source konversation unstable is what fails for me
[20:24] <ajmitch> r773, committed on 17 oct
[20:27] <Laney> that is suspicious
[20:28] <Laney> 103-107 are weird too. trim()?
[20:29] <Laney> and right, it doesn't look like it handles multiple source entries
[20:46] <DeepBlue74> hi, anybody here to get a newbie some starting pointers?
[21:52] <rsajdok> Which of package contains module: gnome-keybindings
[21:53] <rsajdok> ?


[19:49] <efactusa> Hey everyone I just want to thank you all for the wonderful OS on behalf of me and the people of france and the crew at http://www.myefact.com we wouldnt have been able to do half of what we do if it wasn't for Ubuntu so THANKS UBUNTU DEVS!!!!!
[21:07] <davisc> czajkowski: Congrats :-)
[21:09] <czajkowski> I'm home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Castleconnell, Co. Limerick IRELAND :D :D
[21:14] <ShaneM> Take long?
[21:22] <czajkowski> only since Saturday
[21:24] <tsdgeos> not bad
[21:24] <tsdgeos> coming from?
[21:28] <davisc> czajkowski: Cousin was on the same ferry as you. They are currently at Port Laoise...


[03:32] <KD7JWC> can anyone direct my to where/how to install libsub-1.0-0 in the pi2 version of 15.04 please?


[22:50] <joelesko> micahg: I check the code again and the patches you referenced were in the upstream code. I will start on the 2.6 beta and I guess we can wait till that release.


[07:20] <matteo_> Ciao a tutti? qualche italiano?
[07:21] <matteo_> good morning! there is an italian here?
[09:54] <fgh> Customize autoplay actions:  HOW TO ??
[10:06] <silverarrow> hi
[10:06] <silverarrow> anyone here on a sunday?
[10:06] <fgh> y
[10:06] <fgh> I' waiting for a reply
[10:06] <fgh> but it seems they're not in the way to
[10:07] <silverarrow> by a misunderstanding I installed seahorse last night, and I want to remove it
[10:07] <fgh> it
[10:07] <fgh> silverarrow: sudo apt-get purge seahorse*
[10:07] <silverarrow> what is the default app in lubuntu for password and encryption
[10:08] <silverarrow> i can do that safely, without messing up+
[10:08] <silverarrow> ?
[10:08] <fgh> silverarrow: Who said it messes up anything?
[10:09] <silverarrow> well, removing  packages, perhaps  not the main seahorse package, but dependencies
[10:09] <fgh> just ty, and BEFORE confirfm (it asks you whether to proceed or not)
[10:09] <fgh> just have a look on the package names of those which are gonna be removed
[10:09] <silverarrow> only a single package to be removed on that comand
[10:10] <silverarrow> which looks safe
[10:10] <fgh> .)
[10:10] <fgh> :)
[10:11] <silverarrow> I got this http://imagebin.org/231184
[10:12] <fgh> that's ok! ahah you're new with linux?
[10:13] <silverarrow> not reall, but I hardly ever know what I am doing in termnal
[10:13] <silverarrow> stuff seem to happen by its` self
[10:14] <silverarrow> I have removed packages before that have messed up, and real fuzz to get back to start
[10:14] <silverarrow> like reinstall of entire os, which is a horror
[10:15] <silverarrow> maybe best way is to just go ahead and take it from there
[10:15] <silverarrow> and not fuzz too much in advance
[10:38] <akls> So I was working on my projects... And my script creates a lot of png files that I want to delete from time to time, so I was doing it from terminal by "rm *.png". After one hundred times I thought that maybe I should create a bash file that would do exactly the same, for the exception that I wont have to open a terminal and type it in again and again or search it in the terminal history...
[10:39] <akls> so I created a file with two strings #!/bin/bash rm *.png and made it executable
[10:39] <akls> then I double clicked it in my project folder...
[10:39] <akls> and nothing happened..
[10:39] <akls> well, it seemed that nothing happened
[10:40] <akls> really all my png files in a home folder got removed
[10:40] <akls> damn.
[10:40] <akls> shouldn't pcmanfm execute scripts as if it was in that folder?
[10:56] <fgh> no akls
[10:56] <fgh> caml down )
[10:56] <fgh> first of all, in a script the importance of LINES must be respected
[10:57] <tty007> Hallo
[10:57] <akls> fgh, what do you mean?
[10:57] <fgh> it means you must leave  #!/bin/bash   alone in the head
[10:57] <fgh> any other command must be in another line
[10:57] <akls> fgh, oh, maybe you misunderstood me
[10:57] <akls> fgh, let me illustrate that
[10:57] <tty007> Is there anyone who use powermac on lubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[10:58] <fgh> tty007: WOOOW you found me! LOL
[10:58] <fgh> :D
[10:58] <fgh> I'm just installing it on a iBook G4
[10:58] <fgh> Late 2004
[10:58] <akls> fgh, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-07-135815_496x391_scrot.png here's the script
[10:59] <akls> fgh, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-07-135850_1149x344_scrot.png
[10:59] <akls> and here's my folder
[10:59] <fgh> oh ok akls, you wrote on the same line up here ^^ :)
[10:59] <fgh> Ok
[10:59] <tty007> i got strange behavior when i start system sometimes the kernel crashed and nothing happens
[10:59] <akls> fgh, so is it correct behavior for this script to remove all pngs in my home folder when I double click it?
[10:59] <tty007> i dont know but it seems a driver issue
[10:59] <fgh> now, SECOND:  you have to know that bash's default start-directory is your home dir (unless you changed it, but I don't think so)
[11:00] <fgh> akls: yes
[11:00] <akls> fgh, why?
[11:00] <tty007> Is there any need of usinf xorg.conf i thought no?
[11:00] <akls> fgh, well, if I start it this way https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-07-140049_195x46_scrot.png
[11:01] <akls> fgh, it works correctly
[11:01] <fgh> akls: very probably you didn't set the "execution" bit : the permission to execute the script :)
[11:01] <akls> fgh, nah, you don't get it...
[11:01] <fgh> akls: please use pastebin, images aren't this useful this cases
[11:01] <akls> fgh, if I open up a terminal in my folder that contains the script and execute it like ./deletepngs
[11:02] <akls> fgh, it works just as I expect it to work
[11:02] <akls> fgh, now if I double click it
[11:02] <akls> fgh, then pcmanfm gives me this message https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-07-140215_622x101_scrot.png
[11:02] <fgh> akls: press "execute in terminal"
[11:03] <akls> I click execute and it executes it from the home folder. Shouldn't it cd to the folder I'm in now?
[11:03] <fgh> akls: oooooooh :)
[11:03] <akls> fgh, same thing
[11:03] <fgh> well nope
[11:04] <fgh> you know why? :D
[11:04] <akls> nope
[11:04] <akls> well, I understand, but for me this seems like a bug
[11:04] <fgh> you should add  ./   to your rm command to state that you want it to execut on the current folder
[11:04] <fgh> if not, bash simply runs it on its default home folder
[11:05] <akls> hmmmhmm
[11:05] <fgh> rm ./*.png
[11:05] <fgh> tty007: which mac you're using?
[11:06] <tty007> fgh: powermac G4
[11:07] <tty007> fgh: Copyright 1983-2001
[11:07] <akls> fgh, nope, doesn't work
[11:07] <fgh> tty007: check which video-chip model it's using and which driver, too
[11:08] <fgh> tty007:  lspci -k|grep -iA 3 vga
[11:08] <fgh> akls: well, and whatt if you choose "run in terminal" instead of "Run"?
[11:08] <tty007> fgh: right know i didnt find out how using pipe on mac keyboard
[11:09] <tty007> fgh: but thanks for info
[11:09] <fgh> tty007: :) you should reconfigure your keyboard
[11:09] <akls> fgh, same thing
[11:09] <fgh> tty007: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[11:09] <fgh> akls: I don't believe ahah
[11:09] <fgh> let me try
[11:09] <akls> fgh, I've checked it - it looks like for the script the current folder is /home/myuser
[11:12] <akls> fgh, you can use notify-send "${PWD}" to see current directory
[11:12] <fgh> akls: wtf you're right
[11:12] <fgh> this is fucking pcmanfm bug
[11:12] <akls> well, that's the problem :(
[11:12] <akls> and that's what I'm talking about
[11:12] <fgh> I was already in the way to replace it with another fileman
[11:12] <fgh> it sucks
[11:12] <fgh> i can't even manage autoplay actions
[11:13] <akls> hmm.. now how can I report it?
[11:13] <fgh> akls: do you know about something for autoplay? D:
[11:13] <akls> fgh, autoplay? what's wrong with autoplay?
[11:13] <fgh> akls: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[11:14] <fgh> akls: I don't know how to manage actions that i want to happen when certain events happen
[11:14] <fgh> sorry for my english, btw I'm not native
[11:14] <akls> me too
[11:15] <fgh> where are you from?
[11:15] <akls> and no, I don't know anything about your problem :\
[11:15] <akls> Estonia
[11:15] <fgh> oh
[11:15] <fgh> didnt know what .ee   was
[11:15] <fgh> I thought europe XD
[11:15] <akls> :D
[11:16] <fgh> and, also ..
[11:16] <fgh> our two problems are somewhat related
[11:16] <fgh> always fighting against action-amanage windows
[11:16] <fgh> asd
[11:18] <fgh> akls: I found  workaround
[11:18] <akls> fgh, so?
[11:18] <akls> what is it?
[11:19] <fgh> #!/bin/bash
[11:19] <fgh> rm `pwd`/*.png;
[11:19] <fgh> pwd prints the current directory
[11:19] <akls> ah, yeah
[11:19] <akls> right
[11:20] <akls> by the way, ` ` quotes are old style
[11:20] <fgh> lol
[11:20] <akls> it's recommended to use $( ) if I'm not mistaken
[11:20] <fgh> ye they're the same
[11:20] <fgh> and old style is always better x)
[11:20] <akls> not really
[11:21] <akls> same goes for if [ ]
[11:21] <akls> you should use [[ ]] now :)
[11:21] <fgh> akls: i don't remember how this symbol is usually called => `
[11:21] <akls> and the reason not to use ` ` is because sometimes on some resources they're replaces with other quotes like '
[11:22] <akls> it's called grave accent
[11:22] <fgh> hmmmm nope
[11:22] <fgh> that has another common name
[11:22] <fgh> it's a high single quote
[11:22] <akls> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation_marks
[11:22] <fgh> not an accent
[11:23] <akls> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_accent
[11:23] <fgh> -.-
[11:23] <fgh> LOL
[11:24] <fgh> è <== this is a grave accent (the one on the e)
[11:24] <fgh> è `
[11:24] <fgh> oh fuck
[11:24] <fgh> it seemed more high lol
[11:24] <fgh> wait but there was another common name xD
[11:25] <fgh> (for computers)
[11:27] <fgh> FOUND!   backtick
[11:27] <fgh> akls: ^^
[11:27] <akls> yeah :)
[11:28] <akls> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1063192
[11:29] <akls> :)
[11:29] <akls> should I mark it as "confirmed" ? It's pretty obvious...
[11:29] <fgh> y
[11:30] <fgh> or better, you could not :S
[11:30] <fgh> that is mod's affair I think
[11:34] <fgh> wooah i read "taoseeker" akls
[11:34] <fgh> you taoist too? xD
[11:34] <akls> taowhat? :)
[11:35] <akls> nope :)
[11:35] <fgh> lol
[11:36] <fgh> where the nick comes from?
[11:37] <akls> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/882001
[11:37] <akls> lol, found my own bug report :D
[11:37] <fgh> !bug 882001
[11:37] <akls> pcmanfm is a shit, yes :\
[11:37] <fgh> mostly because of the lack of documentation
[11:37] <akls> it seems like no one is working on it :(
[11:38] <fgh> it wouldn't be that bad withh more doc
[11:38] <akls> fgh, which nick? :\
[11:38] <fgh> and, also, there *is* someone working lol ... Version 1.0.1 came out not much time ago
[11:39] <fgh> akls: In your screenshots .. the username in the console :P
[11:40] <akls> fgh, I have "alex" username on my screenshots
[11:40] <akls> it's pretty common name
[11:40] <akls> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex
[11:41] <akls> don't know that taoseeker thing you're talking about
[11:42] <fgh> lol I'm not freaking out o.O
[11:43] <fgh> WTF, it was the other user's screenshot
[11:43] <fgh> bwahaha I seem retarted
[11:43] <fgh> I just have to sleep a bit
[11:43] <fgh> lol
[11:43] <akls> oh, by the way
[11:43] <akls> you're wrong
 rm `pwd`/*.png;
[11:43] <akls> this is not going to work
[11:44] <akls> pwd tells the current directory
[11:44] <akls> which is /home/user in pcmanfm case
[11:44] <akls> :\
[11:44] <akls> but there's a workaround
[11:44] <fgh> akls:
[11:44] <fgh> do this
[11:44] <fgh> echo -e `pwd`/*.png;
[11:44] <akls> the path to the current executing script is stored in $0
[11:45] <fgh> also
[11:45] <akls> fgh, no-no and no
[11:45] <akls> try it out. it will be /home/user
[11:45] <fgh> but (even if I didn't try with rm) I think it works
[11:45] <akls> try it out by double-clicking it
[11:46] <fgh> no no it works for me
[11:46] <fgh> In effect, that command is executed in another shell (by definition of that feature)
[11:46] <fgh> but look
[11:47] <fgh> linux@eMachines442:~$ echo "`pwd`/*.png"
[11:47] <fgh> /home/linux/*.png
[11:47] <fgh> linux@eMachines442:~$ cd Scaricati/
[11:47] <fgh> linux@eMachines442:~/Scaricati$ pwd
[11:47] <fgh> /home/linux/Scaricati
[11:47] <fgh> linux@eMachines442:~/Scaricati$ echo `pwd`
[11:47] <fgh> /home/linux/Scaricati
[11:47] <fgh> linux@eMachines442:~/Scaricati$ echo `pwd`/*.png
[11:47] <fgh> /home/linux/Scaricati/*.png
[11:47] <fgh> i DOESN'T  show always the homedir as you say
[11:48] <akls> NO
[11:48] <akls> do not use it from terminal
[11:48] <akls> put it in a script, double click to execute it
[11:48] <akls> and you will feel the difference
[11:48] <akls> of course it works in the terminal
[11:48] <akls> but I'm trying to workaround the pcmanfm problem
[11:48] <akls> and to feel it - put this in your script
[11:48] <akls> notify-send "$(dirname "$0")"
[11:48] <akls> notify-send "$(pwd)"
[11:49] <fgh> ye correct, $0 could do good
[11:52] <fgh> or nope, it prints /bin/bash
[11:53] <akls> fgh, only from the terminal.
[11:54] <akls> so yeah, using this in a script does work: rm "$(dirname "$0")"/*.png
[11:54] <akls> haha, imagine if I was using backticks
[11:54] <akls> rm "`dirname "$0"`"/*.png
[11:54] <akls> what a mess :D
[12:04] <fgh> akls: maybe it's me
[12:04] <fgh> maybe i'm tired
[12:05] <fgh> but why doesn't it work neither with your solutino?
[12:06] <fgh> oh no, it works
[12:12] <akls> :)
[12:20] <akls> well, bye-bye ;(
[12:20] <akls> ;)
[12:31] <kanliot> hi BrokenThumb
[12:32] <BrokenThumb> Hi kanliot
[12:42] <bennypr0fane> hello, I just installed Lubuntu 12.04 and apparently I got all the fonts set to HUGE. In preferences>look and feel, the system font was set to 11, but it looks on my screen like 28 or so. I changed that to 5, and now it's sort of in proportion, but not everywhere
[12:43] <bennypr0fane> e.g. font here ins Xchat, in TErminal is still huge
[12:43] <bennypr0fane> and the ones in the task bar panel
[12:44] <bennypr0fane> would anyone know how to fix this?
[12:44] <bioterror> sounds like television usage
[12:45] <silverarrow> do you use bluetooth?
[12:45] <kanliot> do you have xorg.conf
[12:45] <bennypr0fane> yes my screen is a tv
[12:46] <bennypr0fane> what is xorg.conf? How do I check if I have it?
[12:47] <bennypr0fane> no i don't use bluetooth, why?
[12:48] <kanliot> $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:48] <bennypr0fane> kanliot "command not found"
[12:49] <bioterror> you need to fix the DPI
[12:49] <bioterror> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_Size_and_DPI
[12:49] <kanliot> dont type the $
[12:49] <kanliot> don't read that yet
[12:50] <kanliot> i think hes a little new
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> I also have Bodhi Linux and LMDE on the same system, both with LXDE on top, haven't had this issue there
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> kanliot oops
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> that's embarassing
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> I thought I wasn't THAT new...
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> Section "Device"
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> 	Identifier	"Default Device"
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> 	Option	"NoLogo"	"True"
[12:50] <bennypr0fane> EndSection
[12:51] <bioterror> yeah, dont read it
[12:51] <kanliot> i donno
[12:51] <bioterror> do as more experienced user kanliot states
[12:51] <kanliot> what's your screen resolution
[12:51] <bennypr0fane> done
[12:52] <bennypr0fane> right now set to 1360x768
[12:52] <kanliot> have you tried rebooting?
[12:52] <bennypr0fane> this is the 4th boot or so. you mean reboot after what?
[12:53] <kanliot> ok no ideas
[12:53] <kanliot> sorry
[12:53] <bioterror> kanliot, you have no ideas?
[12:53] <kanliot> ya
[12:53] <bioterror> Sun15:50 <kanliot> don't read that yet
[12:53] <bioterror> what was that all about then?
[12:53] <bennypr0fane> looking at the archlinux page
[12:54] <bioterror> are you a windows user or what? you think things mystically gets fixed if you just reboot your computer?
[12:54] <bennypr0fane> $  xdpyinfo | grep -B2 resolution
[12:54] <bennypr0fane> screen #0:
[12:54] <bennypr0fane>   dimensions:    1360x768 pixels (161x90 millimeters)
[12:54] <bennypr0fane>   resolution:    215x217 dots per inch
[12:54] <bioterror> bennypr0fane, there you go
[12:55] <bennypr0fane> what do I need to change it to?
[12:55] <bioterror> benny helping another benny, how cute that is <3
[12:55] <bennypr0fane> why, you a benny too?
[12:55] <kanliot> physical screen size is very low
[12:56] <bennypr0fane> which of these figures is the physical screen size?
[12:56] <bioterror> bennypr0fane, check that "Setting DPI manually" it guides you with this option "DPI" "96 x 96"
[12:57] <bennypr0fane> ok
[12:57] <bioterror> I think 120 x 120 could be a good choice
[12:57] <bennypr0fane> oof, I'm not a fan of doing the "manual" thing, I always mess it up
[12:58] <bioterror> it's time to cut the umbilical cord ;)
[12:59] <bennypr0fane> there's something about Nvidia cards
[12:59] <bennypr0fane> I have one and currently using the proprietary driver from Jockey
[13:00] <bennypr0fane> so if I want to fix this I have to learn everything about xorg.conf first, yes?
[13:01] <bennypr0fane> there is always mention of "screen size", but I'm not sure what is meant by that. Does it mean the max resolution my screen can do, or just what it's currently set to by the OS?
[13:02] <bioterror> you just need to add that one line to xorg.conf under section monitor
[13:04] <bennypr0fane> whcih one line exactly? trouble is I don't kn ow my monitors exact spüecs, I got it used with no packaging, documentation etc., dont even know model and make (haven't searched its complete surface yet)
[13:05] <bioterror>    Option                 "DPI" "96 x 96"
[13:05] <bioterror> and you can grow the size from 96 to 120 x 120
[13:05] <kanliot> under Section "Monitor"
[13:07] <bennypr0fane> ok
[13:08] <bennypr0fane> add it to the current options or replace them?
[13:08] <bennypr0fane> now I have "NoLogo" and "True"
[13:08] <kanliot> if bio agrees, pastebin you xorg.conf
[13:09] <bennypr0fane> it's what I pasted before
[13:09] <bioterror> all you have to do is to add one line to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:09] <bennypr0fane> Section "Device"
[13:09] <bennypr0fane> 	Identifier	"Default Device"
[13:09] <bennypr0fane> 	Option	"NoLogo"	"True"
[13:09] <bennypr0fane> EndSection
[13:10] <bioterror> is that your whole xorg.conf?
[13:10] <bennypr0fane> I'm pasting it here because it's only 4  short lines. don't worry I won't anything longer than that
[13:10] <bennypr0fane> yes, that's it
[13:11] <bioterror> looks a little crippled for me
[13:12] <bennypr0fane> I understand I need to specify the DPI be adding it here, but I'm yet unclear about a) the values and b) whether or not to replace the existing options
[13:12] <bennypr0fane> one problem being that I don't know the exact size of my screen
[13:13] <bennypr0fane> If I just try something I risk my video stopping to work and my screen is black at the next reboot?
[13:14] <bennypr0fane> but I'm thinking maybe iot's possible this xorg.conf does not apply right now because I'm using the Nvidia driver?
[13:16] <kanliot> i donno
[13:16] <bioterror> rename that config
[13:16] <kanliot> you mentioned jockey
[13:16] <bioterror> and make a real nvidia config
[13:16] <bioterror> nvidia-xconfig is the command
[13:18] <bennypr0fane> about me asking all these questions - please try to understand my position. I'm trying my best to decipher that guide, but sentences like: "The Composite extension for X causes an entire sub-tree of the window hierarchy to be rendered to an off-screen buffer" do not make me any smarter I don't want to count the number of words here that I don't know what theyre referring to
[13:19] <bennypr0fane> just so you know. some pages contain all the information one needs, if one knows all the other information
[13:19] <bioterror> rename the xorg.conf you have now have
[13:19] <bioterror> with like xorg.conf.old
[13:20] <bioterror> and make a new REAL config with this nvidia-xconfig command
[13:20] <bennypr0fane> ok, so rename the xorg.config to xorg.conf.old
[13:20] <bennypr0fane> will need to gksudo this I guess?
[13:20] <bioterror> or sudo
[13:21] <bennypr0fane> "rename" is the command for renaming?
[13:22] <kanliot> you can use pcmanfm if that would help
[13:24] <bennypr0fane> ok, made it
[13:24] <bennypr0fane> now what do i need to put into the new conf
[13:25] <bioterror> nothing
[13:25] <bioterror> crate it with this nvidia's tool
[13:27] <bennypr0fane> http://pastebin.com/2Q7cnntG
[13:27] <bennypr0fane> ok, here's what the new one looks like
[13:34] <bennypr0fane_> nah, it iddn't work, fonts are still huge
[13:35] <kanliot> just a guess but your new xorg didn't have the lines
[13:35] <kanliot> that you were asked to add
[13:36] <kanliot> please don't read any emotion into my information
[13:38] <bennypr0fane> ok, I won't
[13:39] <kanliot> cool
[13:40] <bennypr0fane> as cool as pumpkin and honey-bunny.  the .conf already contains a section for "Monitor". that section has a line "option" do I add another line with "option" and the dpi value, or jsut the dpi value in the existing "option" line
[13:41] <kanliot> new line
[13:41] <bennypr0fane> OR will it be ok to completely add this: "Section "Monitor"
[13:41] <bennypr0fane>     Identifier             "Monitor0"
[13:41] <bennypr0fane>     Option                 "DPI" "96 x 96"
[13:41] <bennypr0fane> EndSection" to whatever is already there?
[13:41] <bennypr0fane> right now, I made this:
[13:41] <kanliot> no, because that will be 2 monitor sections
[13:42] <bennypr0fane> Section "Monitor"
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     Identifier     "Monitor0"
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     VendorName     "Unknown"
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     ModelName      "Unknown"
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     HorizSync       28.0 - 33.0
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     VertRefresh     43.0 - 72.0
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     Option         "DPMS"
[13:42] <bennypr0fane>     Option         "DPI" "120 x 120"
[13:42] <bennypr0fane> EndSection
[13:42] <bennypr0fane> good like that?
[13:42] <kanliot> good
[13:42] <bennypr0fane> awesome
[13:44] <bennypr0fane> trying the new dpi now. must reboot for that, yes?
[13:44] <kanliot> actually i donno
[13:45] <bennypr0fane> ok, I'll try.
[13:49] <kanliot> hi redderhs i got yer message about vlc
[13:49] <redderhs> hey, msg me in offtopic
[13:53] <bennypr0fane> hello. this did the trick!
[13:53] <bioterror> ofcourse it did
[13:53] <bennypr0fane> Thank you bioterror and kanliot!
[13:53] <bennypr0fane> just took me a while what exactly you wanted me to do
[13:54] <bennypr0fane> thanks guys, have a nice day!
[13:54] <bennypr0fane> *just took me while to understand what you wanted me to do
[13:54] <bennypr0fane> bye
[14:02] <sb1980> hi! i'm having troubles with my audio in lubuntu: different apps seem to  block each other from using the audio output. when i have a flash running, afterwards mpd gives no audio output anymore e.g.
[14:02] <sb1980> how can i resolve this?
[14:04] <bioterror> I solved it using jack
[14:06] <sb1980> bioterror: how exactly?
[14:07] <sb1980> i used pulsaudio but it made things even worse
[14:08] <bioterror> I installed some alsa plugins and added couple of lines to asound.conf
[14:10] <sb1980> in other news my package manager gui does not work...anyone has an idea for that too?
[14:10] <bioterror> !details | sb1980
[14:13] <sb1980> i dont have any error messages: whenever the package manager pops up to tell me there are updates available i click on "OK install" and nothing happens ... after a wail it freezes and i then use apt from the command line to update
[14:14] <bioterror> and this is 12.04?
[14:17] <sb1980> bioterror: yes
[14:17] <sb1980> i have the feeling that the whole system seems to be some kind of damaged - though i did no modifications. skype, audio and package manager
[14:18] <sb1980> all not working
[14:18] <bioterror> I would run this update tool from terminal
[14:18] <bioterror> to see messages
[14:20] <sb1980> whats the cmd for the update center? i looks different then the synaptic manager itself
[14:30] <redderhs> update manager or software center?
[14:31] <redderhs> try update-manager
[14:39] <sb1980> it seems like it's hanging when updating triggers for gnome menus
[14:53] <sb1980> i now reinstalled pulseaudio which results in flash player crashing everytime
[16:22] <tty007> hi lubuntu 12.04 powerpc crashed with an instruction dump anyone know what this means?
[16:28] <mario_> Hello. How do I identify my Motherboard? I want to know all specs, but I cant do it because I do not have a manual and can`t search on internet because I do not know the model. Is there a command i can input in the Terminal?
[16:29] <bioterror> mario_, sudo apt-get install lshw
[16:29] <bioterror> mario_, sudo lshw |less
[16:29] <bioterror> or more
[18:18] <Cliperex> Hello all. i need some feedback about an issue. i have tried Lubuntu 12.10 B2 from a cd (try before install)  on my HP nc6220 laptop, after like 10 minutes or so , i got an error that XML parsing didnt work , somthing was not found , the mouse was working but i could not see the desktop or taskbar , only the install lubuntu icon was visable. was this error hardware related or somthing that
[18:18] <Cliperex> is known to be on try before install mode ? thanks for any comment.
[18:20] <bioterror> how about a real installation?
[18:22] <Cliperex> i have an os on the hard drive. it will take some time to back it up so want to try before removing that os or dual boot. , also , one could argue that if it doesnt work on try mode what would promise that it will work in real install ?
[18:24] <Cliperex> is it a good idea to post this issue on a forum somewhere or just leave it at that
[18:24] <bioterror> ubuntu+1
[18:25] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=416
[19:00] <varikonniemi> hello
[19:01] <varikonniemi> will lubuntu run on a celeron 1.3ghz with 256 ram
[19:03] <Cliperex> bbl
[19:03] <kanliot> did you back up your datat varikonniemi
[19:03] <kanliot> data
[19:04] <kanliot> it runs ok on 256
[19:04] <kanliot> although chromium eats all your memory
[19:17] <varikonniemi> no i did not backup
[19:17] <varikonniemi> it is an old computer, a friend was throwing it away ie gave it to me.
[19:18] <varikonniemi> i am installing ubuntu atm, but think unity is too much for it
[19:18] <varikonniemi> so i must install lubunt-desktop, or is there such a package?
[19:20] <varikonniemi> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-desktop
[19:20] <varikonniemi> yes
[19:41] <phillw> rossball: !!!!
[19:44] <phillw> hi can se  me?
[19:46] <phillw> hiyas
[19:47] <rossball> have uploaded photos but cannot print them out anymore ? am using lubuntu 12.04 - can u help ?
[19:52] <rossball> have uploaded my photos successfully and have previously managed to print but now am not having the option the print when i open the view imager.I have all the other options.
[19:55] <bennypr0fane> hello, my laptop has a weird wireless card - it is switched off by default at startup. to fix that, I used an rfkill command in a script to run at start up  and that normally wouldn't do anything. Now I forgot where that script is. Where would you start to look?
[19:56] <bioterror> from your browsers history
[19:57] <bennypr0fane> why the browser?
[19:57] <bennypr0fane> you mean the file browser?
[19:57] <bioterror> well, you probably did not invent this script yourself, so you got hint from the world wide web
[19:59] <bennypr0fane> yes, on IRC
[20:00] <bennypr0fane> in bodhilinux channel. I used it in Lubuntu though, so I thought someone here might know where a script could be located that by default just lies around there doing nothing
[20:01] <bennypr0fane> ...but can be used to make things happen at startup
[20:04] <phillw> bioterror: are you familiar with pcmanfm losing the ability to open up an image file and be able to print it?
[20:05] <bioterror> what does his image properties tell about opening an image?
[20:05] <bioterror> is there gpicview?
[20:05] <bioterror> or what was the default image viewer
[20:06] <phillw> it does appear to be the default image viewer that pcmanfm linked to in 12.04 (which was working), the print option is no longer avaialable
[20:07] <bioterror> who stole printing :--)
[20:08] <phillw> bioterror: something stole the print option :(
[20:08] <bioterror> gotta change image viewer then
[20:08] <phillw> still has all the re-vectoring of images etc.... just no longer a print!
[20:08] <bennypr0fane> I think gpicview is the default viewer, and yes printing option is missing
[20:09] <bennypr0fane> it sucks
[20:09] <bioterror> yes and no, saves the environment
[20:09] <bioterror> green thinking!
[20:09] <phillw> bennypr0fane: you confirm no print option?
[20:09] <bennypr0fane> in fact, there isn't any application lets you print images in a default isntall
[20:10] <bennypr0fane> phillw yes, I happen to have looked for it just yesterday
[20:10] <phillw> bioterror: for little niece to have her stuff at school, the other option is the wonderfully 'green' printers at the  suprtmarkets :)
[20:10] <bennypr0fane> bioterror haha, hence yr nick!
[20:10] <bennypr0fane> "green printers"?
[20:11] <bennypr0fane> wazzat?
[20:12] <bioterror> i managed to live without a printer at home for over 10 years
[20:13] <phillw> bennypr0fane: the companies who re-fill the cartridges, instead of land fill and making new ones.
[20:13] <bennypr0fane> it's not that hard really
[20:14] <bennypr0fane> refilling the cartridges is called "green"
[20:14] <bioterror> phillw, that's part of the "lightbulp scam"
[20:14] <bennypr0fane> yeah
[20:14] <phillw> bennypr0fane: bioterror... it is better than the alternative.
[20:14] <bennypr0fane> really not much green to it IMO
[20:14] <phillw> perfect, it is not... better than current.. it is.
[20:15] <phillw> -ot, any one?
[20:15] <bennypr0fane> I used to need to print a lot more in college, but after that, necessity plummeted
[20:16] <bennypr0fane> still have a printer though. It only works when I don't reallys need to print there and then
[20:16] <bennypr0fane> phillw: "-ot"?
[20:17] <phillw> bennypr0fane: #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:06] <cowmix> anyone know how to stop the Lubuntu desktop from starting at boot time?
[21:06] <cowmix> My google foo fails me
[21:09] <bioterror> explain more
[21:10] <cowmix> installed ubuntu-server
[21:10] <cowmix> then install lubuntu-desktop
[21:11] <cowmix> i don't want lubuntu to startup on the main console at boot time
[21:11] <cowmix> (I'm running it in VNC instead)
[21:12] <home_> Using Lubuntu PowerPC on a iBookG4 (late 2004). It's grat+
[21:13] <home_> *great guyz!!1! ;)
[21:13] <holstein> cowmix: you are auto logging in? or you dont want x to start? you dont want a login manager to start?
[21:13] <bioterror> holstein, I would add text to boot parameters ;)
[21:14] <cowmix> holstein: I don't want the login manager to evens tart
[21:14] <cowmix> errr. "start"
[21:15] <cowmix> A side ass-kiss thing: Lubuntu is the best thing ever.. I've been using Linux since 1992 and I love, love, love Lubuntu.
[21:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148717/how-do-i-boot-into-the-console-and-then-launch-the-ubuntu-desktop-from-it should do it
[21:16] <holstein> you'll do the lubuntu commands instead of ubuntu.. lubuntusession bioterror ?
[21:18] <cowmix> yeah.. I tried that link and it doesn't do the job for some reason: /etc/default/grub
[21:18] <cowmix> oops.. here's the link:  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4008482/capture/no-workin.png
[21:19] <cowmix> the lubuntu startup scripts seem to be very aggressive
[21:21] <bioterror> holstein, startlubuntu
[21:24] <holstein> cowmix: update-grub ??
[21:25] <cowmix> holstein: Yup..  I don't think it has bluetooth silverarrow
[21:32] <cowmix> bioterror: that look right?
[21:33] <bioterror> hard to say
[21:33] <home_> putting the gnome-feet as menu icon on lxde? priceless
[21:33] <home_> lol
[21:33] <bioterror> my connection to some how sucks
[21:33] <bioterror> to any where
[21:33] <silverarrow> home_: I have the last one from 2005, with 1.42GHz cpu
[21:34] <silverarrow> home_: anyhow I think bluetooth is all warped for ppc in 12.04
[21:34] <silverarrow> slightly better hope from 12.10
[21:36] <home_> silverarrow: my late-2004 1.33ghz one   hasn't bluetooth device
[21:36] <home_> even if I have the driver installed correctly lol
[21:36] <silverarrow> it`s not a bit thing
[21:37] <silverarrow> can be handy for some printers though
[21:38] <holstein> cowmix: i would say, if lightdm is still coming up, then you didnt remove it. i would search it in a package manager and purge it
[21:39] <home_> silverarrow: I'm more angry for the lack of multitouch driver for ADB Mouse
[21:40] <holstein> cowmix: i found "Did you try replacing "quiet splash" with "text"? Some other suggestions at the Ubuntu forums link below."
[21:40] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1564671
[21:40] <home_> http://imagebin.org/231234http://imagebin.org/231234
[21:40] <home_> http://imagebin.org/231235http://imagebin.org/231235
[21:41] <home_> ooops
[21:41] <home_> http://imagebin.org/231235
[21:41] <home_> http://imagebin.org/231234
[21:41] <holstein> cowmix: purging lightdm might want to remove the whole lubuntu-desktop metapackage... i would try these other options first
[21:46] <silverarrow> home_: yeah there is only one finger and doublefinger click
[21:47] <home_> silverarrow: stylish my desktop, isn't it? :P
[21:48] <silverarrow> yeah, nice
[21:49] <silverarrow> I stuck with default lxde
[21:49] <silverarrow> home_: you have the gnome footprint there
[21:50] <home_> I see. I kept lxpanel to don't get fat
[21:50] <home_> silverarrow: that's what I said before ahahahha it's more stylish than lxde one
[21:50] <silverarrow> and I like blue too
[21:50] <silverarrow> it suited me fine
[21:51] <home_> silverarrow: I see you're seeking the tao
[21:51] <silverarrow> I have used xfce in the past, but taskbar and menu kept disappearing on me
[21:52] <silverarrow> oh, yes
[21:52] <home_> me too, lol
[21:52] <silverarrow> funny we should be on ppc
[21:52] <home_> ihih
[21:53] <home_> anyway, you think skype would run slightly?
[21:53] <home_> I have not any hope  lol
[21:53] <silverarrow> yes
[21:53] <silverarrow> it should
[21:53] <home_> mmmh let's give a try
[21:54] <home_> oh but it exists a ppc version?? :S
[21:54] <silverarrow> flash is a problem, but so with ppc
[21:54] <silverarrow> the only thing osx have over lubuntu and debian, is probably tenfourfox
[21:55] <silverarrow> and a working minitube
[21:55] <silverarrow> which hopefully gets sorted out though
[21:55] <silverarrow> apps like minitube is make or brake for ppc
[21:55] <silverarrow> let me check for skype
[21:55] <home_> ye, I'm using midori to use h264 and WebM for youtube, and for all other stuff I use gnash which runs not too bad
[21:55] <silverarrow> midori works with gnash
[21:56] <home_> but sometimes midori isn't fast on normal page loading
[21:56] <home_> so I combine it with operaPPC, which is fine
[21:56] <silverarrow> gnash streams fine on the higher specked G4s and G5s, arguably well on 1.42GHz
[21:56] <home_> normal browsing with opera
[21:57] <silverarrow> come to think of it, skype is only available from their homesite
[21:57] <home_> hmmm I have a lot of jerks
[21:58] <silverarrow> midori can crash, but there are a few fixes for it, but you need to go on their site
[21:59] <redderhs> skype changed a lot
[21:59] <home_> maybe we're pretending too much. Skype, a MS application, to run on linux, and more than all, on PPC
[21:59] <redderhs> since ms bought them. they changed all their routing of traffic
[22:00] <silverarrow> yeah, I have probably never had skype on ppc, only lubuntu on the hp computer
[22:00] <silverarrow> I haven`t used skype in over a year
[22:01]  * home_ takes a good white tea
[22:02] <silverarrow> minitube is all smooth  and fine on ppc, when it workws
[22:02] <silverarrow> at the moment it doesn`t at all
[22:02] <silverarrow> we lost flash video replacer
[22:02] <silverarrow> a couple of months ago
[22:03] <silverarrow> it was all fine for ppc, gnome mplayer and the ff adon
[22:03] <home_> flash video replacer? never heard of that
[22:03] <silverarrow> white tea, chinas best tea
[22:04] <silverarrow> firefox addon, worked superbly
[22:04] <home_> I'm also sad for minitube not working at all. I experienced it some days ago, but thought it was my fault for the lack of something
[22:04] <silverarrow> the maker took it out of the list for some reason
[22:05] <silverarrow> I hope they can make minitube work for quantal
[22:05] <home_> and also  (:D) , I'm VERY angry with google, because of the youtube ads. They're freaking me out
[22:05] <bioterror> what's youtube ads?-)
[22:06] <home_> advertisements
[22:06] <silverarrow> I think there are addons in ff that blocks them,
[22:06] <home_> spots
[22:06] <home_> thereis a couple
[22:06] <bioterror> have not seen any of them with my adblock on chromium
[22:06] <home_> but don't work all good
[22:06] <silverarrow> bioterror: small commercial clips that appears before the actual video
[22:07] <bioterror> nope, have not seen them ;)
[22:07] <bioterror> on commercial tv channels, yes
[22:07] <silverarrow> chromium is good
[22:08] <silverarrow> i shall make an attempt at ubuntu quantal when I get my laptop back
[22:08] <silverarrow> chrome and flash bundle is good too
[22:08] <bioterror> no problems with pepper flash
[22:08] <home_> bioterror: doesn't it seem too strange to you?  Google, the same owner of youtube, which makes an extension to block its own advertisement, from which gain money
[22:08] <home_> because chrome/chromium are from google :D
[22:08] <home_> lol
[22:08] <bioterror> home_, yes it actually sounds
[22:08] <silverarrow> yeah, I heard rumors pepper flash or api, should work on powerpc but so far not
[22:09] <bioterror> home_, but I do also block their analysts ;)
[22:09] <home_> bioterror: I'd not be so sure if I was you
[22:09] <home_> jst throw it to the trash
[22:09] <home_> and join good browsers :P
[22:09] <home_> *enjoy
[22:09] <silverarrow> I have major issues with scrips running in firefox 15.0.1 in quantal
[22:09] <bioterror> I'm far from googles dream users ;)
[22:10] <bioterror> but most of the times, I get pages loaded quite snappy
[22:12] <home_> btw I love opera, I think it's always been the best browser
[22:12] <home_> but opera too doesn't respect user's privacy at all
[22:12] <bioterror> it now has almost usable ad block
[22:13] <bioterror> wish they would drop all the emails, torrent clients, irc clients and whatso ever off the browser
[22:13] <bioterror> and keep it more simple
[22:13] <bioterror> the mouse gestures are killers in opera
[22:13] <home_> lol .. you just need to disable them ;)
[22:13] <bioterror> I hate the somethingboy ad site listing + css thingie
[22:13] <home_> I don't like them this much, too
[22:13] <home_> ahahah
[22:15] <home_> btw .. I'm not managing to enable autologin
[22:15] <home_> maybe it's because of my crazy choice of "home" as username :D
[22:15] <home_> I just enable the feature from the conf file (already did somewhere else and it worked)
[22:16] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11104521&postcount=2
[22:16] <home_> but it doesn't work
[22:16] <bioterror> tested, should work :-)
[22:16] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed
[22:16] <bioterror> good night
[22:16] <home_> night
[22:17] <silverarrow> opera email works
[22:17] <home_> y
[22:18] <home_> silverarrow: You know what the worst thing I've experienced this time is?
[22:18] <silverarrow> no?
[22:18] <home_> pcmanfm's lack of autorun event customization
[22:18] <silverarrow> not sure what the is even?
[22:19] <home_> I had to use a veery bad workaround lol
[22:19] <home_> silverarrow: what?
[22:19] <silverarrow> what customization have you found?
[22:19] <home_> if you're talking about my english, don't care, just get the sense XD
[22:19] <home_> anyway
[22:20] <home_> I had to install thunar (another lightweight filemanager)
[22:20] <home_> which perfectly manages this types of things
[22:20] <home_> BUT
[22:20] <silverarrow> English wasn`t my first language either
[22:20] <home_> it had some things that I didn't like , too
[22:20] <home_> SO I had to find a middle point between the two
[22:20] <home_> ...
[22:21] <silverarrow> are there any?
[22:21] <home_> I'm using pcmanfm as filemanager, AND thunar run in background (--daemon) to handle the events and autoruns!!! XD XD
[22:21] <home_> ^^^
[22:21] <home_> It implies a little slow down because of the waste of resources
[22:21] <silverarrow> I always need some time to get used to new features
[22:21] <home_> but it works
[22:22] <home_> and this is what matters
[22:22] <silverarrow> like lxde, it is different than kde and gnome
[22:22] <home_> y
[22:22] <silverarrow> I haven`t used ubuntu much after they launched Unity, mostly because of lubuntu
[22:22] <home_> but I like it a lot :D (maybe sometimes more than gnome, which is my first choice)
[22:22] <home_> unity sucks, you did the best choice
[22:23] <silverarrow> I used to have a laptop which ubuntu drivers could not handle graphics cart at the time
[22:24] <silverarrow> radeon something, white screen on every other boot up, so I just stayed with windows and had puppy linux running when I was in the mood for it
[22:24] <home_> puppy linux .. it's fine! XD
[22:25] <home_> I've tried a bunch of lighteight DEs
[22:25] <kanliot> what DE does puppy use?
[22:25] <silverarrow> I didn`t what to stay with osx on the old iBook, though some stuff is easier to find working apps for
[22:25] <silverarrow> want to stay*
[22:25] <home_> actually I can say that lxde is the best because of the right balance between lightweightness and usability/aesthetic
[22:25] <home_> silverarrow: true story
[22:26] <home_> but apple isn't releasing updates anymore
[22:26] <silverarrow> at the time I really liked gnome mplayer setup with gecko and flash video replacer too, which is all ruined for ppc
[22:26] <home_> unless I upgrade to Leopard, but it implies the buyment of new hdd and RAM
[22:27] <silverarrow> I suppose tenfourfox and camino is the best for osx ppc
[22:27] <home_> y
[22:27] <home_> tenfourfox more than camino
[22:27] <silverarrow> and the youtube player, can`t remember what they call i
[22:28] <silverarrow> htlm5 streams better in tenfourfox than in firefox
[22:31] <silverarrow> new hdd even?
[22:31] <silverarrow> RAM you can be lucky with
[22:31] <silverarrow> I installed 1GB extra ram on this ibook and I harldy think it is worth more than 512MB extra
[22:32] <home_> lol
[22:32] <silverarrow> after I upgraded from 512MB to 1.5GB, the largest difference is swap doesn`t kick in anymore,
[22:32] <home_> I have indeed 512 extra (256 onboard)
[22:32] <silverarrow> it is runs smoother though
[22:32] <silverarrow> which is probably all you need
[22:32] <home_> but factory  hdd has 4600rpm
[22:33] <home_> and it's old
[22:33] <home_> and used
[22:33] <home_> and noisy
[22:33] <home_> even more because of the ext4 fs
[22:33] <silverarrow> yeah, 7200rmp is possible,  but unless you  have one laying about it is hardly worth it
[22:34] <silverarrow> on the other hand, an extra HD has never failed to be useful
[22:34] <home_> mmh I wanna replace the existing onboard 2.5"
[22:35] <home_> (to upgrade to leopard)
[22:35] <silverarrow> I see
[22:35] <home_> and 7200rpm  for 2.5 is quite strange
[22:35] <home_> 5600 I think
[22:35] <home_> and not only this
[22:35] <home_> cache is important too
[22:36] <silverarrow> I have a 5400 rmp or something laying about, 6 months old, ATA, but all those screws and disassembling, horror
[22:36] <home_> naa it isn't all this pain :D
[22:36] <silverarrow> I haven`t thought much about HD cache really,
[22:37] <silverarrow> you still can get new ATA hd if you do some searching
[22:37] <home_> ye but it's expensive
[22:38] <home_> too much
[22:38] <home_> unless I find some good offer on ebay
[22:40] <silverarrow> if the testers and devs manage to fix the bugs,  lubuntu is quite good for ppc
[22:40] <home_> ye I agree !!
[22:41] <silverarrow> I think they are struggling too much with major stuff like bootable iso images, kernel and xorg troubles
[22:41] <silverarrow> hope they get around to it
[22:41] <silverarrow> I have a strong feeling what goes wrong on ppc isn`t always ppc specific
[22:41] <silverarrow> it pops up on different hardware
[22:43] <home_> y
[22:43] <home_> silverarrow: how did you handle the right click behaviour?
[22:43] <home_> I used AppleKey + Clic , but It's not what I wanted
[22:43] <silverarrow> wonder how easily an ibook would accept a new hd
[22:44] <silverarrow> twofinger click works on mine+
[22:44] <silverarrow> ?
[22:44] <silverarrow> I get a menue up
[22:44] <home_> oh
[22:44] <home_> you've synaptics touch?
[22:44] <silverarrow> well, not sure
[22:45] <home_> xinput list  shows you all
[22:45] <home_> pipe to pastebini
[22:45] <home_> t
[22:45] <silverarrow> one click enter, twofinger click is the same as right click
[22:45] <home_> ohhh I envie you
[22:45] <home_> UFFFF
[22:46] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/231238
[22:47] <silverarrow> shouldn`t we have the same mouse?
[22:47] <home_> nope, I'm sad to say it but this is what it is
[22:48] <home_> you have appletouch
[22:48] <home_> I think it is synaptics yeah
[22:48] <home_> I have ADB Mouse instead
[22:48] <home_> different iBook versions have different touch
[22:49] <silverarrow> i see
[22:50] <silverarrow> external mouse should worok
[22:50] <silverarrow> usb I mean
[22:50] <home_> yes of course
[22:50] <home_> but it's not the same :)
[22:50] <silverarrow> true
[22:51] <home_> if I were you, i'd enabled  Natural Scrolling  :3
[22:51] <silverarrow> some seem to prefer the usb connected mouse, keep it in their laptop bag
[22:52] <silverarrow> home, how do I do that? not sure I wanna do something I can`t revers myself lol
[22:52] <home_> lol
[22:52] <home_> ubuntu has a specific applet
[22:52] <home_> I think you just need to install and enable it :)
[22:53] <home_> (supposing you've already enabled touchpad scroll .. which I kew it was done  with  2-finger, but you said 2fingers are RIGHTclick to you)
[22:53] <home_> s/kew/knew
[22:55] <silverarrow> yeah, ?
[22:56] <silverarrow> twofinger click gives a menu?
[22:56] <home_> oh click is different than scroll (keep fingers on it)
[22:56] <silverarrow> the click part in front of the pad has only enter function
[22:56] <home_> so, just try it .. does it scroll with two fingers?
[22:57] <silverarrow> it does
[22:57] <home_> ok
[22:57] <silverarrow> never noticed that
[22:57] <silverarrow> I hold down the click function, and shroll with one finger
[22:57] <silverarrow> works the same
[22:58] <home_> ok
[22:58] <silverarrow> there are no fixes for you mouse?
[22:58] <home_> so, there is a ppa, or a manual tweak (but it's fast to do)
[22:59] <home_> silverarrow: actually not
[22:59] <home_> http://maketecheasier.com/reverse-mouse-scrolling-direction-in-ubuntu/2011/09/16
[23:00] <home_> oh wait, sorry
[23:00] <home_> that doesn't work properly on 12.04
[23:01] <home_> these are the right instructions: http://andym3.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/fixing-natural-scrolling-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[23:01] <silverarrow> I`m in 12.10
[23:02] <silverarrow> I upgraded about a week ago
[23:02] <silverarrow> finally made it install
[23:02] <silverarrow> that is why I still have no sound
[23:02] <silverarrow> system seems stable, boots fine, most stuff work
[23:04] <home_> baah I hate non-lts releasee
[23:04] <silverarrow> yeah, 12.04 is good like that
[23:04] <home_> and I hate this frequent updating  typical of ubuntu
[23:04] <silverarrow> problem with lts ppc it is hardly going to improve
[23:05] <silverarrow> with all the broken browser plugin packages, there wasn`t that much left I cared about I could not have in 12.10
[23:06] <silverarrow> so I thought at least
[23:06] <silverarrow> beta has issues, but they are working on them
[23:06] <silverarrow> they have some clever guys on the team,
[23:07] <silverarrow> I think Ubuntu has agreed to keep up ppc support to some agree
[23:07] <silverarrow> or they would not have bothered, there is no official support
[23:08] <silverarrow> for a while I thought debian was the best ppc distro
[23:08] <silverarrow> But the issus are much the same, and I like lubutu setup
[23:08] <silverarrow> ...if it worked
[23:08] <home_> lol
[23:09] <home_> I try again the autologin
[23:09] <home_> I hope the suggestion works
[23:16] <l0p3n> Hello! In this guide https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Lubuntu/RemoteDesktop it says I can enable vine on boot from Desktop Session Settings. The problem is I cant find Desktop session settings. Where is it?
[23:17] <l0p3n> I tried application find but it doesn't seem to exist on my computer.
[23:17] <l0p3n> *finder
[23:21] <silverarrow> menu-preferances
[23:21] <silverarrow> preferences
[23:21] <silverarrow> sorry
[23:21] <silverarrow> I am in 12.10 though, but should be there
[23:29] <l0p3n> I found Session and startup not sure if it is the same..
[23:39] <silverarrow> I haven`t used vine in ages
[23:39] <silverarrow> bioterror is a wizz
[23:39] <silverarrow> but the nick is a classical freudian slip, so be warned