[00:42] <b___smith> when did synaptic stop being part of the standard install?
[00:43] <Nivex> natty I think
[00:43] <b___smith> thanks
[00:44] <b___smith> I presume I can sudo apt-get install?


[00:01] <SeekerNL> how do I get the source of a app by apt-get ?
[00:04] <genii> SeekerNL: apt-get source packagename    it puts it in current working directory
[00:05] <SeekerNL> thanks ( because I have modified ffmpeg and other packages I end up compiling stuff
[00:17] <pubuntu> Hello
[00:21] <lucas_> hello
[00:21] <lucas_> hola
[00:21]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:38] <soul> hi
[00:38] <soul> what is the package name of kde desktop?
[00:43] <genii> soul: kubuntu-desktop usually
[00:43] <beener> i have an hp dv2000 and i am trying to get the webcam to work i read that it is suppost to work out of the box but it doesnt
[00:44] <soul> genii: if i remove that package,and can use the default one from kde?
[00:46] <beener> lsusb doesnt show a webcam
[00:46] <genii> soul: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which pulls in a bunch of smaller packages, like the main kde one.
[00:48] <q0_0p> beener, have u tried sudo modprobe uvcvideo ?
[00:50] <beener> no i havent i will try that now
[00:51] <soul> genii: my aim is to   achieve the default kde look for kubuntu
[00:52] <q0_0p> i still like kde 3.5 O_O
[00:52] <soul> genii: so i guess its better to remove all kubuntu-desktop and all its dependency files?
[00:52] <genii> soul: I'm not sure I'd recommend that
[00:53] <kreppnar> hi all
[00:53] <kreppnar> i got a bit of a problem
[00:53] <kreppnar> when i open a game in fullscreen, my mouse completely stops working
[00:53] <kreppnar> or like it disapears
[00:53] <soul> genii: yep i kow :)
[00:54] <soul> so what command i need to issue to remove all,apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop?
[00:55] <genii> soul: Pretty much.
[00:55] <genii> soul: You have some other backup desktop environment ?
[00:56] <soul> yep gnome
[00:57] <soul> genii: nope that didnt work
[00:57] <soul> what i need to do is to uninstall all the dependencies of kubuntu-desktop as well
[00:57] <soul> right now only kubuntu-desktop got uninstalled
[00:58] <q0_0p> soul, sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop?
[01:00] <soul> q0_0p: that works as normal remove ,only removing kubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <kreppnar> anyone having a problem while playing fullscreen games, and your mouse stops working?
[01:01] <kreppnar> or even just a game that loads opengl in a window and your mouse stops working
[01:05] <kreppnar> could i please get some help?
[01:05] <kaddi> hi, is there anyone that is using the old kaffeine 0.8 instead of the new 1.0 with karmic?
[01:07] <kreppnar> i have 1.0 .. sorry
[01:07] <kreppnar> whats up?
[01:07] <kaddi> does it have a minimal option yet or is it possible to select a folder of folders as input?
[01:08] <beener> iv installed gstreamer and when ni type gstreamer-propertys and go to video i get Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Cannot identify device '/dev/video0'
[01:08] <kreppnar> oh like selecting a entire directory instead of just a file?
[01:08] <kaddi> I downgraded to the 0.8 cause I was missing all the features I liked in 1.0 and for a week now I'm getting a very hacked image when I open a video file. Sound is fine. I pause it once and the file will play fine afterwards, but the need of pausing it is annoying
[01:09] <kaddi> kreppnar: like selecting a directory with movies in subdirectories and I want the films in the subdirectories listed in the playlist
[01:10] <kreppnar> im trying to add things, but its not letting me add an entire directory
[01:10] <kreppnar> its letting me add files singley
[01:10] <kreppnar> and it wont let me drag a folder into the playlist
[01:10] <kaddi> oh, maybe than it's not even possible to do that. they removed almost all features (or haven't added them back in. Doesn't matter how you see it).
[01:11] <kaddi> which makes the new kaffeine completely uninteresting for me
[01:11] <kreppnar> every tried a different player?
[01:12] <kaddi> yeah, still like the old kaffeine best
[01:12] <kaddi> I tried smplayer and vlc and even totem, but always prefered kaffeine
[01:12] <kreppnar> cause i love VLC
[01:12] <kreppnar> hmm
[01:13] <kreppnar> what about gxine?
[01:13] <q0_0p> i give a vote for vlc
[01:14]  * kaddi just wants kaffeine 0.8 to work :p
[01:14] <kreppnar> haha sorry man
[01:14] <kreppnar> i dont know what to do for yah
[01:15] <q0_0p> good music player is amarok
[01:15] <q0_0p> my favorite
[01:15] <kreppnar> yeah
[01:15] <kaddi> lol
[01:15] <kreppnar> i love the ipod support
[01:15] <kaddi> can't even play CDs with that one
[01:15] <kreppnar> i am able to
[01:15] <kaddi> you don't have the new amarok2 then?
[01:15] <q0_0p> i'm not liking amarok2
[01:15] <q0_0p> i use the old amarok
[01:15] <kaddi> ok
[01:15] <kaddi> yeah
[01:16] <beener> well ill deal without the webcam but i need my bluetooth head set to work but i keep geting a your bluetooth deive does not support input
[01:16] <kaddi> the old amarok was fine :) new one isn't to good for me either...
[01:16] <kaddi> I like listening to my CDs :p
[01:16] <kreppnar> use grip to rip em to your hardrive
[01:16] <q0_0p> indeed
[01:17] <q0_0p> i prefer listening to shoutcast radio though
[01:17] <q0_0p> i believe shoutcast radio is also integrated into vlc?
[01:17] <kaddi> If I wanted them on my harddrive I would have ripped them a long time ago
[01:49] <laetzer> hi all. I can't make my new kubuntu go online with a static ip. I followed advice I read about adding the details in etc/network/interfaces. is there anything else to try?
[01:50] <homer_simpson> kubuntu's network interfaces are managed through NetworkManager, I'll think you'll be better off using the $ systemsettings
[01:50] <homer_simpson> but i guess you've tried that already :/
[01:51] <laetzer> homer_simpson: yes i did try it. it lets me input the details, but i was not online. that's when i tried searching for info and found pages claiming NetworkManager can't handle static ips
[01:53] <bendj>  In KDE's "Input Actions", what's the syntax to enter a "-" (hyphen) or "." (period) into an Action?
[01:54] <kreppnar> anyone having issues with games in fullscreen?
[01:54] <kreppnar> my mouse dissapears
[01:54] <kreppnar> and i cant do anything
[01:54] <kreppnar> but when i open the game console, my cursor comes back
[01:54] <kreppnar> could anyone help me?
[02:00] <homer_simpson> procedure would be : clean /etc/network/interfaces - restart NM - check cables - kill NM daemon and remove NMdaemon startup script links in /etc/init.d - check input data (ip, gateway [status and connexion parameters]) - write proper /etc/network/interfaces - reboot (actually you could do without, but it's just worth doing it this way)
[02:00] <homer_simpson> need help writing down the /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:01] <homer_simpson> also check firewall
[02:04] <laetzer> homer_simpson: thanks, i will try that. is there a firewall running in kubuntu after install?
[02:23] <stevo> my default language on here is canadian english, is there any way to get it to USA
[02:25] <stevo> any1 here?
[02:43] <laetzer> homer_simpson I deinstalled NetworkManager, not I get the error message: "siocaddrrt: no such process" and then "failed to bring up eth0
[02:44] <laetzer> ifconfig sows me the settings like I want them. I also compared them to the setup of the old install, they are the same
[02:47] <laetzer> ok, appearently this error only shows when I put some gateway address. but without a gateway ip, there is also no internet connection
[02:54] <angelus85> does anybody know why if i press enter/OK after inserting a password nothing happens?
[02:56] <angelus85> it happens in Kdesudo, kwallet, kmail
[02:56] <angelus85> but not when unlocking the screen
[02:59] <WilliamBuell> I have a question about how Apache PHP and MySQL can work in a folder of my choosing, I have it installed and working with anything in /var/www but there must be some search path I can set somewhere, perhaps in phpinfo - here is link to my blog post of this question http://wp.me/pBlI9-lB
[03:00] <angelus85> i think that in the ini file
[03:01] <angelus85> you should edit the field in which the server is going to look for files
[03:01] <kreppnar> i am having a problem with my fullscreen games. when i play a game in fullscreen my mouse cursor dissapears, and it re-appears when i drop down the console in game. what might be the problem?
[03:02] <kreppnar> running games like WoW in wine works ok, but i am only having problems with games that are Linux native
[03:02] <angelus85> could you be more precise kreppnar
[03:02] <kreppnar> Doom 3
[03:03] <kreppnar> Enemy Territory Quake Wars
[03:03] <kreppnar> when i start the game
[03:03] <shirotsume> hi. kind of a stupid question: the howto about binary drivers (for 8.10) says System->Administration->Hardware Drivers. Problem, there is no "Administration" in System. So any Idea what package has to be installed/reinstalled
[03:03] <kreppnar> i go into the menu, and my mouse cursor dissapears
[03:03] <shirotsume> ?
[03:03] <WilliamBuell> I am a 60 year old total beginner, so I really need some step by step instructions.... if possible
[03:04] <angelus85> i'm sorry WilliamBuell i'm not that skilled in php, but as far as i can remember the file is well commented
[03:04] <angelus85> i suggest to go to the wiki and see if there is some documentation about setting up a server
[03:04] <kreppnar> angelus85: i had no problems with my fullscreen games, but after a little while it just stopped working
[03:05] <angelus85> since when?
[03:05] <WilliamBuell> ok, thanks, i did look in that php ini file... I guess I will look some more.... and I do google extensively, and post links that I find at my blog
[03:05] <angelus85> after some update?
[03:05] <kreppnar> aye
[03:05] <kreppnar> had to of been, cause on a fresh install, it was working great
[03:06] <WilliamBuell> if i could find the answer in google, i wouldnt ask here. I try as much as I can to solve it on my own before i ask in irc
[03:06] <kreppnar> angelus85: i have even tried turning off composting for the pretty desktop effects, but that doesn't even work
[03:07] <angelus85> did you install some kernel updates or video driver update?
[03:07] <kreppnar> angelus85: i have also even tried to use another desktop environment like blackbox or xfce4
[03:07] <kreppnar> nah, i am using the standard base install drivers provided by ubuntu
[03:08] <kreppnar> is there a way while in a shell login, to execute games that require X?
[03:09] <kreppnar> i dont have compiz, or glx running, they dont ever seem to start.
[03:10] <angelus85> no you need X for sure
[03:11] <angelus85> which kind of graphic adapter do you have?
[03:11] <kreppnar> Nvidia geforce 7900 GTX PCI express 512mb
[03:11] <kreppnar> always never had a problem on other Distro's
[03:12] <angelus85> shirotsume: you can install packages through kpackagekit
[03:13] <angelus85> try to force the reinstall of the drivers
[03:14] <angelus85> (last one was for kreppnar)
[03:14] <kreppnar> how would i got about doing that?
[03:15] <angelus85> sudo apt-get install --reinstall <driver-package>
[03:15] <angelus85> it should be nvidia-glx
[03:15] <angelus85> but i'm not sure
[03:15] <kreppnar> i believe it i
[03:15] <kreppnar> s
[03:16] <kreppnar> says invalid operation
[03:17] <angelus85> sudo aptitude search nvidia | grep ^i
[03:18] <angelus85> you'll find the one(s) that you have already installed
[03:18] <angelus85> you might also want to try
[03:18] <kreppnar> that hardware driver program that finds graphics drivers
[03:18] <angelus85> sudo aptitude reinstall <all the packages you got from the previous command>
[03:18] <kreppnar> it says i am using 185 version
[03:19] <angelus85> it should be the latest one
[03:19] <angelus85> you can also try other versions
[03:19] <kreppnar> ok sudo aptitude search nvidia | grep ^i didn't show anything
[03:19] <angelus85> :O
[03:21] <kreppnar> it brought me back to the command
[03:21] <angelus85> it's strange
[03:21] <angelus85> anyway remove the "| grep ^i"
[03:21] <kreppnar> k
[03:21] <angelus85> and look to the packages that have an i at the beginning
[03:23] <kreppnar> i see that nvidia-glx has a v in front of it?
[03:23] <angelus85> is it the only package you see?
[03:23] <kreppnar> nah i see alot
[03:24] <shirotsume> hmpf, well i know how to install a package. my problem is actually, that i have no idea which one contains, or generates that menue point.
[03:24] <angelus85> check those that have an I in front of that
[03:24] <angelus85> shirotsume: i don't understand which is the problem, could you be more clear?
[03:26] <shirotsume> sure. i try to set up opengl support using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ; there it says to "Enable the accelerated ATI graphics driver in the hardware drivers menu (System->Administration->Hardware Drivers)," my problem is, that i actually don't have this :(
[03:28] <angelus85> i suppose they are ubuntu instructions
[03:28] <angelus85> whilest you're using kubuntu
[03:29] <shirotsume> thats right. well, what would it be under the kmenue ?
[03:29] <kreppnar> ok angelus85: apparently disabling the graphics driver and adding it again, works
[03:29] <angelus85> it's in the system section
[03:30] <kreppnar> thanks for all the help man
[03:30] <angelus85> you're welcome man
[03:30] <kreppnar> i got my mouse back!
[03:30] <angelus85> ;)
[03:30] <kreppnar> wooo!
[03:30] <kreppnar> take care
[03:30] <angelus85> u too
[03:30] <angelus85> shirotsume: did you find it?
[03:30] <shirotsume> well i checked that, but no "restricted drivers" neither "hardware drivers"
[03:30] <angelus85> ok listen
[03:30] <angelus85> open a konsole
[03:31] <shirotsume> i have hardware, but there is hal, bluetooth network manager..
[03:31] <shirotsume> open
[03:31] <angelus85> kdesudo jockey-kde
[03:32] <shirotsume> jockey-kde command not found ..
[03:32] <angelus85> according to what you see anyway you should be in the control panel
[03:32] <shirotsume> thats it ?
[03:33] <angelus85> but you're not supposed to look for it there
[03:33] <angelus85> just open the menu
[03:33] <angelus85> go to application tab
[03:33] <shirotsume> installing jockey-kde. i think that will do the trick
[03:33] <angelus85> yes!
[03:33] <shirotsume> yup. got the hardware drivers. thanks a lot
[03:34] <angelus85> anyway it's really strange since it comes as a default package with a fresh installation
[03:34] <angelus85> i'm glad it work
[03:34] <angelus85> s
[03:36] <shirotsume> well, dunno what happened, but there must have been something happened, because yesterday i had a kde and today after switching the computer back on, it was gone, i only had a blank screen after login and i searched and looked an the i tried to reinstall kde. funny that, there was no kde left on my system, so i made an apt-get kde ..
[04:59] <michael_lancaste> someone come from brazil ?
[05:31] <lordars> HOLA
[05:34] <kcj1993> hello can anyone help me with amarok (I'm using gnome btw) it's not fetching lyrics!
[05:51] <_nix_> Hello, anybody know how to disable or password protect single user mode in Karmic?
[06:26] <poyntz> hi folks. when i try to do searches in dolphin, i'm getting this error, "The process for the nepomuksearch protocol died unexpectedly"
[06:26] <poyntz> can someone help me fix this?
[06:27] <LachnessMonster> Hi
[06:28] <poyntz> hi
[06:28] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: do you know anything about the "The process for the nepomuksearch protocol died unexpectedly" error?
[06:29] <Bugsbane> poyntz: Do you have libjvm symlinked?
[06:29] <Bugsbane> (a "dunno" shrug means no)
[06:30] <poyntz> Bugsbane: symlinked to where?
[06:30] <Bugsbane> Depends on what version of Java you're using and your architecture
[06:30] <poyntz> Bugsbane: how can I find out?
[06:31] <poyntz> Bugsbane: i'm on kde 4.3.2 if that helps
[06:31] <Bugsbane> Hang on, I'll bring it up...
[06:31] <poyntz> i installed the package kubuntu-desktop pretty recently
[06:31] <LachnessMonster> no sorry poyntz
[06:31] <poyntz> so whatever came with it i should have
[06:31] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: no worries
[06:31] <Bugsbane> Yeah. ALL the KDE versions do this. (K)ubuntu' just needs to put a packaging fix in place :(
[06:31] <poyntz> :/
[06:32] <poyntz> I didn't have libnepomuk2.2-cil installed
[06:32] <poyntz> not sure if that had anything to do with it
[06:32] <Bugsbane> http://digitizor.com/2009/10/14/how-to-start-nepomukstrigi-and-fix-the-strigi-service-failed-to-initialize-most-likely-due-to-an-installation-problem-problem-in-kubuntu-9-10kde4-3/
[06:32] <poyntz> ...nope
[06:32] <poyntz> still getting the problem
[06:32] <Bugsbane> Nah. It doesn't matter which KDE / Nepomuk you have
[06:33] <Bugsbane> This happens on all of them until you symlink
[06:33] <poyntz> trying the link now, thanks
[06:33] <Bugsbane> np
[06:34] <Bugsbane> You can just look in /usr/lib/jvm to see if you have sun-java in there
[06:34] <LachnessMonster> If i have kde installed and gnome ( gnome was first)
[06:35] <LachnessMonster> Can i use the update manager to update to 9.10 ?
[06:35] <poyntz> Bugsbane: that tutorial solved it. thanks! didn't have to symlink anything
[06:35] <Bugsbane> Eh?! Really?
[06:36] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: you need to install kubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <LachnessMonster> Im running kde atm
[06:36] <poyntz> once it's finished installing it will pop up with a window that asks if you want to use gdm or kdm
[06:36] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: oh, :/
[06:37] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: then i can't help. sorry. until i do the same i'm no help there :/
[06:37] <LachnessMonster> ty
[06:37] <Bugsbane> LachnessMonster: Whats the problem?
[06:37] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: actually
[06:37] <LachnessMonster> Can i upgrade to 9.10 with update manager
[06:38] <Bugsbane> Ah, sorry, didn't see your post above...
[06:38] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: have you tried doing it over KpackageKit?
[06:38] <LachnessMonster> if i have gnome and kde
[06:38] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: i'd guess that it depends on whether your package manager is under gnome or kde
[06:38] <poyntz> LachnessMonster: but i could be wrong
[06:38] <Bugsbane> I'd guess that it would be best done from Ubuntu, and should update the Kubuntu packages
[06:39] <Bugsbane> If it doesn't you can always just sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after
[06:39] <Bugsbane> (from Gnome)
[06:40] <LachnessMonster> So run ubuntu and go to 9.10
[06:40] <LachnessMonster> Thanks
[06:40] <Bugsbane> np
[06:40] <Bugsbane> There is a *chance* of breakage, but it *should* be ok
[06:40] <LachnessMonster> ill back up my data then do it
[06:40] <Bugsbane> very. good. plan!
[06:41] <poyntz> Bugsbane: ok. just realised that only the error message in dolphin went away. The search yields no results. Going to do the rest of the tutorial now
[06:41] <Bugsbane> I usually avoid upgrades altogether and just backup, reinstall and bring my data back. But thats me. :)
[06:41] <LachnessMonster> i have loads of programs thoe
[06:42] <LachnessMonster> dont wanna lose
[06:42] <Bugsbane> poyntz: Yeah. As far as I can see, until Ubuntu updates this packaging issue, *every* Kubuntu user should have this problem
[06:42] <Bugsbane> LachnessMonster: Give it a try. If it works it works. If it doesn't... make sure you have backups of those apps or can reinstall them!
[06:43] <poyntz> Bugsbane: unfortunately the fix didn't solve it :/
[06:43] <LachnessMonster> how can i back all programs up?
[06:43] <poyntz> Bugsbane: I have Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_16-b01)
[06:43] <poyntz> Bugsbane: so I picked the Sun Java Runtime Environment option
[06:44] <Bugsbane> LachnessMonster: Have you installed anything *not* from Synaptic / Kpackagekit?
[06:44] <LachnessMonster> a few
[06:44] <LachnessMonster> but they dont matter
[06:44] <Bugsbane> poyntz: You usually need to restart
[06:44] <SeViLLa_> has any one had any problems using tweak ubuntu with karmic
[06:45] <tsimpson> SeViLLa_: "tweak ubuntu"?
[06:45] <Bugsbane> LachnessMonster: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/backup-installed-packages-on-ubuntu.html
[06:46] <poyntz> Bugsbane: gotcha. brb
[06:46] <Bugsbane> k
[06:46] <SeViLLa_> tsimpson: it wont let me install any packages or make any changes to my system
[06:47] <tsimpson> SeViLLa_: what is "tweak ubuntu" exactly?
[06:47] <SeViLLa_> its kind of like gconf-editor in ubuntu
[06:48] <SeViLLa_> tsimpson: check it out google it
[06:48] <LachnessMonster> thanks Bugsbane
[06:48] <Bugsbane> np
[06:49] <tsimpson> we can't support 3rd party applications that decide to edit the system in random ways
[06:49] <SeViLLa_> tsimpson: i hear you
[06:50] <SeViLLa_> tsimpson: i was just messing around with it
[06:50] <tsimpson> if there is a problem with it, I guess you need to contact whoever created it
[06:50] <tsimpson> those sort of things have a track record of messing systems up
[06:51] <SeViLLa_> it works great on ubuntu hardy just not on kubuntu karmic
[06:51] <SeViLLa_> tsimpson: thanks though
[06:52] <LachnessMonster> backing up 300gigs
[06:52] <LachnessMonster> gonna tak a while
[06:53] <Bugsbane> ouch
[06:53] <poyntz_> Bugsbane: no luck :/
[06:54] <poyntz_> Bugsbane: search still won't yield results
[06:54] <Bugsbane> ok, so what do you see if you go into...
[06:54] <Bugsbane> usr lib jvm
[06:54] <Bugsbane> (can't type forward slashes into irc...)
[06:55] <poyntz_> /usr/lib$ ls jvm
[06:55] <poyntz_> java-6-sun  java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:55] <poyntz_> Bugsbane: is that right?
[06:55] <Bugsbane> and what does ln -s /usr/lib/libjvm.so show?
[06:56] <Bugsbane> sorry thats ls -l
[06:56] <poyntz_> ln: creating symbolic link `./libjvm.so': File exists
[06:56] <Bugsbane> I meant ls -l /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[06:57] <poyntz_> sorry
[06:57] <poyntz_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 53 2009-11-29 17:42 /usr/lib/libjvm.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so
[06:57] <Bugsbane> And you're on a 32bit version of Kubuntu?
[06:57] <poyntz_> is that what it's supposed to link to?
[06:57] <poyntz_> yeah
[06:58] <Bugsbane> Yeah, it is. I just noticed though that mine (which works) is actually pointing to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/server/libjvm.so
[06:58] <Bugsbane> (I'm on 64 bit though)
[06:58] <poyntz_> ah
[06:59] <poyntz_> yeh, could be that
[06:59] <poyntz_> also, i installed kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu
[06:59] <Bugsbane> So you may want to do sudo rm /usr/lib/libjvm.so && sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libjvm.so /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so
[06:59] <poyntz_> don't know if that affects things
[06:59] <Bugsbane> SHouldn't
[06:59] <Bugsbane> It's just an unresolved issue for ALL Kubuntu users
[07:00] <Bugsbane> I've been symlinking this since KDE 4.0 came out...
[07:00] <Bugsbane> Sounds like they're going to be fixing it soon(ish) though
[07:00] <poyntz_> cannot remove `/usr/lib/libjvm.so': No such file or directory
[07:01]  * poyntz_ has worse problems. for example, ever since he switched to kde, he can't go on laptop battery because it shuts down after about a minute
[07:01] <poyntz_> the search function is just an inconvenience
[07:02] <Bugsbane> Sorry. Can't help with that one. The nepomuk issue I'm familiar with though
[07:02] <poyntz_> ah k, how about iphone issues?
[07:02] <poyntz_> as in, when I connect the iphone it doesn't show up in /mnt or /media
[07:02] <poyntz_> - making it impossible to offload files from the iphone to the desktop
[07:03] <poyntz_> also, fdisk -l doesn't show a new sda* or anything
[07:03] <poyntz_> actually, that last point might be a moot point
[07:03] <poyntz_> it's not an ext HD
[07:03] <poyntz_> so it probably wouldn't show up as an sda
[07:05] <poyntz_> gonna try lshw and lsusb and hope something shows up
[07:06] <poyntz_> Bugsbane: lol - Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05ac:1294 Apple, Inc.
[07:06] <poyntz_> that's all I get :/
[07:09] <poyntz_> Bugsbane: ok. it's a reported bug - https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/bugme-new/2009-July/022403.html
[07:12] <poyntz_> unfortunately, no-one's replied with info on a fix...
[07:12] <poyntz_> and it's only been reported once in one forum
[07:23] <poyntz_> does bluetooth work in kde 4.3.2?
[07:23] <poyntz_> more specifically can KBluetooth receive files from other devices?
[07:26] <poyntz_> it sends fine. just doesn't seem to receive on my comp
[07:27] <Tm_T> poyntz_: does this have any help? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84761
[07:27] <Tm_T> poyntz_: that's page for the kbluetooth you are using
[07:28] <Wutzan> Hi, I've downloaded 9.10 and after selecting install or try Kubuntu, it loads a blank screen where nothing will load at all. I've waited for like 20 minutes earlier.
[07:29] <Tm_T> Wutzan: have you tried safe graphics mode?
[07:29] <poyntz_> Tm_T: no luck. it just reports problems with receiving multiple files at once
[07:29] <Wutzan> yes
[07:29] <Tm_T> Wutzan: also, what kind of display card/chip you have?
[07:29] <Wutzan> ati x1300
[07:29] <Tm_T> poyntz_: roger, all I know about it is it's still work in progress
[07:30] <Tm_T> Wutzan: what is the last thing you can see?
[07:30] <Wutzan> the start up menu for the cd
[07:31] <poyntz_> Tm_T: ahh :/. If I right click on KBluetooth > Settings > Obex server. Obex server is greyed out. I think obex server allows you to receive files. but if it's greyed out could that be the problem?
[07:31] <Tm_T> Wutzan: you select, and then nothing?
[07:31] <Tm_T> poyntz_: I would say yes (:
[07:31] <poyntz_> Tm_T: is there any way I can ungrey it out :P
[07:32] <poyntz_> Tm_T: as in, make it a clickable option?
[07:32] <Wutzan> yeah, nothing
[07:32] <Peace-> Wutzan: press ALT F1 when kubuntu is loading
[07:32] <Peace-> Wutzan: it's a video card problem
[07:32] <Peace-> Wutzan: driver i mean
[07:33] <poyntz_> Tm_T: I didn't have the package obexpushd, could it be that?
[07:33] <Wutzan> huh?
[07:33] <poyntz_> !obexpushd
[07:33] <Wutzan> the card is old...how the heck is it not supported with a vesa driver
[07:33] <Peace-> Wutzan: bug kernel ?
[07:34] <poyntz_> !info obexpushd > poyntz_
[07:34] <Peace-> Wutzan: i have an intel and thank to canonical team i cannot use kdenlive for a bug on my intel driver ...
[07:34] <Peace-> Wutzan: i had to upgrade them....
[07:34] <Tm_T> Wutzan: hmmm, have you checked disk to make sure it's ok?
[07:34] <poyntz_> according to Ubottu it's its own program...
[07:34] <Wutzan> yes the disk is fine, i've used it to install kubuntu later on a diff comp
[07:35] <Tm_T> poyntz_: kbluetooth might use it though, I don't know /:
[07:35] <Tm_T> Wutzan: doublecheck anyway
[07:35] <poyntz_> !info obexpushd > Tm_T
[07:35] <poyntz_> sorry, Tm_T
[07:35] <poyntz_> !info obexpushd | Tm_T
[07:35] <poyntz_> - that's what I meant :P
[07:35] <xanax`> hello
[07:35] <xanax`> is there a command to know which version of kubuntu I have ?
[07:36] <tsimpson> !version
[07:36] <Peace-> xanax`: lsb_release -a
[07:36] <Peace-> lol
[07:37] <xanax`> thank you
[07:37] <Wutzan> btw, does kubuntu install broadcom wifi drivers from the cd?
[07:37] <poyntz_> does KBluetooth receive files for anyone?
[07:37] <Wutzan> or download
[07:37] <Peace-> Wutzan: broadcom works with : open driver + firmware or ndiswrapper
[07:38] <Wutzan> what i mean is, when i first install, will it work out of the box
[07:38] <Peace-> no
[07:38] <Wutzan> ok, thanks
[07:38] <Peace-> you need of firmware
[07:39] <peteryu> bye
[07:43] <poyntz_> * Tm_T : ok, basically if anyone has the same problem with receiving files via KBluetooth, they need to install a program called obexpushd
[07:43] <poyntz_> Tm_T: anyhow, thanks for your help
[07:43] <poyntz_> ciao all!
[07:45] <ThePassingShadow> Is anyone available right now ?
[07:45] <ThePassingShadow> Sigh..
[07:47] <ThePassingShadow> I need help with my displays
[08:07] <SeViLLa> ?
[08:22] <johannes_> hi guys. i'm trying to start kde-programming. if i want to create a new kde4-project in kdevelop it asks me for the directory of the cmake-binary... where would i find that?
[08:24] <Peace-> johannes_: this is not a programming channel
[08:24] <Peace-> johannes_: you should go on kde-develop
[08:24] <Peace-> or something like that
[08:24] <johannes_> ok
[08:25] <Jack_Ryan>     can somebody help me with something? I pressed ctrl+alt+F2, and it took me to a tty screen, which I've never seen, and there are apparently several, I tried to cycle through, F7 appears to give me control of a mouse-pointer, but on a black screen. I know there is something wrong with the plasmoid desktop, so I tried pkill plasmoid-desktop && nohup plasmoid-desktop &  . but nothing worked, I got this response: {
[08:25] <Jack_Ryan> [1] 8846*
[08:26] <maco> Jack_Ryan: hiya im in here too
[08:26] <maco> its just quieter here :)
[08:26] <Jack_Ryan> lol
[08:27] <Jack_Ryan> w3m gave me a response, a long list
[08:27] <maco> ive seen the screensaver not bring up the password thingy a few times
[08:27] <Bios> Hi, its wiered: Suddenly the booting time of my laptop has increased and I dont know why?
[08:27] <maco> w3m is a web browser
[08:27] <Jack_Ryan> hm
[08:27] <Jack_Ryan> hold on
[08:27] <maco> try: killall kscreenlocker
[08:28] <Jack_Ryan> oh
[08:28] <Jack_Ryan> k
[08:28] <ubuntu_> can i upgrade a kubuntu with the new install cd ?
[08:28] <maco> ubuntu_: with an alternate cd you can upgrade. with live you can reinstall
[08:28] <Jack_Ryan> no process found
[08:28] <maco> if you reinstall, you can choose manual partitioning, use the same partition for / and tell it not to format, and itll keep your /home
[08:28] <Jack_Ryan> not sure how to use w3m either
[08:29] <maco> Jack_Ryan: it shouldve been "plasma-desktop" not "plasmoid-desktop"
[08:29] <Jack_Ryan> ok
[08:29] <whambamtymam> could someone whisper me some advice on running kubuntu in lower run level to install videocard drivers?
[08:30] <Jack_Ryan> hmm
[08:30] <Jack_Ryan> [1] 9085
[08:30] <Jack_Ryan> still no response however
[08:30] <maco> whambamtymam: there are only 4 runlevels. 0 = off, 1 = single user mode, 2-5 = normal, 6 = reboot
[08:31] <Jack_Ryan> I was adding an app to the poh
[08:31] <Jack_Ryan> wait
[08:31] <maco> whambamtymam: runlevel 2 is what you are normally in
[08:31] <maco> !pm | whambamtymam
[08:32] <whambamtymam> how do i stop xserver ?
[08:32] <maco> whambamtymam: sudo service kdm stop
[08:32] <Jack_Ryan> ok maco
[08:33] <Jack_Ryan> I spelled plasma wrong
[08:33] <Jack_Ryan> which is embarrasing
[08:33] <Jack_Ryan> now I have this: [1] 9197
[08:33] <Jack_Ryan> I should mention
[08:33] <Bios> Hi, its wiered: Suddenly the booting time of my laptop has increased and I dont know why, any suggestions?
[08:33] <maco> thats just telling you the new plasma-desktop process's id
[08:34] <maco> Bios: install bootchart and you can get a chart showing you whats taking a long time
[08:34] <Bios> sounds great thx : P
[08:34] <Jack_Ryan> when this happened I just added an app to the desktop called OPENdesktop, immediately after my screen went dead
[08:34] <maco> Bios: itll end up in /var/log/bootchart/
[08:34] <maco> Jack_Ryan: i dont know what that is
[08:35] <Jack_Ryan> thats what caused it I would guess
[08:36] <Jack_Ryan> also,while in the black screen
[08:36] <Bios> do i have to activate bootchart anyhow? maco
[08:36] <Jack_Ryan> when I press ALT F2 to bring up the process screen, nothing appears
[08:36] <maco> Bios: just reboot and itll make a chart
[08:37] <Bios> ok brb
[08:37] <Jack_Ryan> I'm going to reboot and see if it does it again
[08:37] <Jack_Ryan> brb
[08:41] <ubsafder> how do i reconfigure X after an upgrade to 9.10 ?
[08:41] <Bios> moco how to analysis the log ? its like 4 >10mb files
[08:42] <maco> it should make a .png ...
[08:42] <Bios> i didnt : P
[08:42] <ubsafder> I just finished an upgrade and I am left with a nice black screen on my dell laptop
[08:43] <maco> Bios: umm install bootchart-java
[08:44] <maco> and then run "bootchart -f png /var/log/bootchart/blahblah.tgz" with the right filename
[08:44] <Jack_Ryan> thanks, I had to reboot, not sure what happened
[08:45] <Jack_Ryan> bye!
[08:46] <Bios> ok
[08:47] <Rodensky> Hello ppl :) I'm trying to use Kopete but it won't connect to my WLM account (it connects to a @hotmail.com account, but not to a @live.com). It uses the same server and port as Pidgin (messenger.hotmail.com 1863) but doesn't connect (unlike pidgin that does)... How can I solve this and connect to my @live.com account with Kopete?
[08:49] <Bios> hrmps any idea http://imagebin.ca/view/HWpHC3vu.html maco?
[08:50] <maco> bios: did you just upgrade to karmic?
[08:50] <Bios> no
[08:51] <Bios> well i upgraded but this was shortly after the release
[08:51] <Bios> everything worked great
[08:51] <Bios> I am not sure but probably it has to do with the installation of pulseaudio
[08:51] <Bios> I dot some audioproblems untill I installed it
[08:52] <Bios> got*
[08:53] <maco> you have a radial hard disk (ie normal), not SSD, right?
[08:53] <maco> sreadahead is included in karmic and turned out to be really slow on non-SSDs. -proposed has ureadahead coming in to replace it. speeds things up quite a bit
[08:53] <Bios> jop
[08:54] <Bios> what is ureadahead doing?
[08:54] <maco> im not quite sure how they work, but it has to do with how reading data for booting is scheduled
[08:54] <maco> apparntly sreadahead involves more seeks on normal hard drives so is slower
[08:55] <maco> enable -proposed and install updates to get ureadahead. it should speed things up
[08:56] <maco> ureadahead = über readahead
[08:57] <Bios> so i just have to install it through apt-get? : P
[09:35] <fjellrev1> I am trying to configure my desktop widgets,especially the one conecting up against gmails calander service, but the widget tells me that I need to enable cookies in my widget browser,anyone know how to do that?
[09:51] <kirankumar> Hi all
[09:51] <kirankumar>  I am newbee for this...
[09:51] <kirankumar> can any one tell me what is this all about.. i mean this IRC...???
[09:51] <BlouBlou> kirankumar: you say this channel topic?
[09:52] <BlouBlou> !hi | kirankumar
[09:52] <kirankumar> oh!!! so this is a kind of live forum right..???
[09:52] <BlouBlou> yes ;)
[09:52] <maco> like a chat room
[09:53] <maco> but (preferably) without people trying to hookup
[09:53] <kirankumar> okey.... cool!!!!
[09:53] <maco> (and by preferably, i mean i will ban you if you try to pick up chicks/guys here)
[09:54] <maco> (did i just scare people??)
[09:54] <kirankumar> hm.....no
[09:54]  * BlouBlou power abuse :P
[09:59] <kirankumar> what's this symobol kind of messages comes in between...???
[10:00] <amichair> is it normal in 17 days of uptime to have 30h of plasma-desktop cpu usage? sounds a whole lot for... a desktop
[11:25] <smitts> Is there any way to adjust touchpad touch-to-click sensitivity?  I can't consistently click by tapping the touchpad.
[11:32] <Szadek_> hello everybody is there a tool to sync android phones on kde ????
[11:44] <Consul_Falx> eyo... something stinks in the kingdom of Denmark...
[11:46] <Consul_Falx> my KDE has just reported that my HDA Intel ALC660VD sound driver has been removed.. wether I want to cleanse settings as well... I haven't ordered the removal of the driver!!! and moreover sound does still work... o.O
[11:51] <smitts> Is there any way to adjust touchpad touch-to-click sensitivity?  I can't consistently click by tapping the touchpad.
[11:51] <Peace->  maybe some tochpad kcm module
[11:56] <yao_ziyuan> minimize a konsole window,
[11:56] <yao_ziyuan> and then restore it.
[11:57] <yao_ziyuan> how long does it take?
[11:58] <Quintasan> yao_ziyuan: very short time, Debian on KVM compiled trunk from yesterday
[11:58] <yao_ziyuan> not debian.
[11:58] <amichair> with effects, half a second, maybe. with lots of disk swapping, a few good seconds.
[11:59] <yao_ziyuan> on my machine it's 2~3 seconds
[11:59] <amichair> is the disk showing activity while this is happening?
[11:59] <yao_ziyuan> no
[12:00] <yao_ziyuan> fedora and opensuse can restore it immediately
[12:00] <amichair> desktop effects enabled? hardware acceleration working?
[12:00] <yao_ziyuan> yes
[12:02] <amichair> is anything else going on while u min/max? see cpu activity? anything?
[12:03] <yao_ziyuan> nothing
[12:03] <amichair> strange indeed...
[12:03] <yao_ziyuan> actually, half a second is too long
[12:03] <yao_ziyuan> compared to fedora and opensuse
[12:04] <amichair> that's with the effect, I think the duration is configurable
[12:04] <yao_ziyuan> Fade and Minimization are disabled
[12:05] <amichair> actually fade doesn't have configurable delay :-/
[12:05] <amichair> it doesn't take too long here, although I do sometimes feel it's not 'smooth' as it should be
[12:07] <yao_ziyuan> should check how the package is built
[12:09] <kirankumar> Hii...
[12:09] <kirankumar> is there any gtalk software available for Ubuntu......???
[12:10] <kirankumar> not Empathy.. i am talking about.. the official google release...
[12:10] <amichair> kirankumar: I use pidgin. don't know about official release.
[12:11] <mozar> hhhh
[12:11] <kirankumar> na.... Pidgin and Empathy both performs like the same way.... empathy got video chat which is not there in pidgin..
[12:11] <chilli0> Hi
[12:11] <kirankumar> at least any of the below one..??? Gaim  or Trillion ...???
[12:12] <chilli0> How do i install irc plasmoid ?
[12:12] <Mamarok> kirankumar: not that I know of
[12:12] <chilli0> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/IRC+plasmoid?content=108428
[12:12] <kirankumar> any yahoo messenger software...???
[12:13] <kirankumar> not empathy or Pidgin...
[12:13] <BlouBlou> kirankumar: sudo apt-get install pidgin
[12:13] <BlouBlou> kirankumar: if kubuntu hasn't got this programm, try installing it
[12:14] <kirankumar> i used it earlier in the ubuntu version..  i felt it looks and works the same way which empathy does.....
[12:14] <chilli0> http://pastebin.com/m12dc2cd8
[12:14] <kirankumar> none of the support the yahoo chat rooms
[12:15] <Mamarok> chilli0: right click on the desktop -> Add Widget -> Install New Widgets -> Download
[12:15] <kirankumar> and i didnt find any official release for yahoo and Google...
[12:16] <Mamarok> !yahoo | kirankumar
[12:16] <chilli0> Mamarok, ?
[12:17] <chilli0> Mamarok, IRC isnt on there
[12:18] <Mamarok> chilli0: then you download it from there and install it over the same way, see the options in the Add widget window
[12:19] <Mamarok> but be aware that some plsmoids on kde-looks.org are outdated and do not work with recent KDE versions
[12:21] <chilli0> Mamarok, The install from file?
[12:22] <chilli0> i downloaded the file and i ran the command , but got that error
[12:23] <Mamarok> chilli0: let me check that plsamoid, second
[12:24] <kirankumar> noo... i am not able to connect to yahoo chat room with athat server address...
[12:24] <chilli0> Thanks
[12:26] <SeekerNL> hello how can I secure my home folder ( So no one can get in )
[12:28] <llutz> SeekerNL: 1st: chmod 700 /home/<you>
[12:29] <SeekerNL> then it will be encrypt?
[12:29] <llutz> no
[12:29] <SeekerNL> I want that no gets in, so it shouldnt be when someone use a live cd and still get in
[12:29] <Mamarok> chilli0: did you read the forum entries on kde-looks.org for this plasmoid? You should try gett ing help there and check if your problem has not been reported already. Since those are 3rd-party applications, you better get in touch with them
[12:30] <Mamarok> SeekerNL: is it on a separate partition?
[12:31] <chilli0> Mamarok, Gotta register and yeh wanted to get fast help
[12:31] <SeekerNL> no my home folder, but also have other harddrive I wanna secure
[12:37] <SeekerNL> like encryth my homefolder
[12:42] <SeekerNL> I meant to encrypt my home folder anyone know a easy way?
[12:43] <Mamarok> SeekerNL: the easiest way is to encrypt the filesystem
[12:43] <Mamarok> hence the partition
[12:43] <SeekerNL> okay where do I start?
[12:44] <SeekerNL> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EncryptedHomeFolder  ?
[12:45] <Mamarok> exactly
[12:45] <Mamarok> or this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[12:46] <tsimpson> one more link, for luck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[13:02] <shingoki> Is there any big disadvantage to installing kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu install?
[13:02] <shingoki> As in, does KDE interfere with Gnome or vice versa?
[13:07] <chaitu_> shingoki: to my knowledge. no. You would get to choose either KDE or GNOME once you install
[13:07] <shingoki> ah good
[13:07] <shingoki> just wanted to check before installing. Been a while since I used kubuntu
[13:11] <bradpitt> shingoki : IMHO, when you install *buntu on top of *buntu you have lots of software installed and if you run software which is not native, for example amarok on ubuntu you'll have a little problem with performance unless you have good specs of computer.
[13:11] <shingoki> Yes I guess if you run a mix of apps you end up with more libraries in use
[13:12] <shingoki> I think it should be all right if you stick with one or the other though... not sure :)
[13:13] <bradpitt> shingoki : i have installing kubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu on top of ubuntu. and it's fine except for Lubuntu
[13:18] <Dekans> does Amarok 2 handle mp3 generic usb players ?
[13:18] <angelus85> only thoes able to being connected as MTP
[13:19] <Dekans> MTP ?
[13:20] <angelus85> it's a way to connect devices to computers
[13:20] <Dekans> I have an android devices
[13:20] <Dekans> it mounts like a genneric usb key
[13:20] <Dekans> UMS
[13:20] <angelus85> so it probably does not support mtp
[13:21] <angelus85> did you try to plug that in
[13:21] <angelus85> while amarok's running?
[13:21] <Dekans> yes
[13:21] <Dekans> okay too bad for me :(
[13:21] <angelus85> anyway
[13:22] <angelus85> the external players support in amarok
[13:22] <angelus85> is not so good IMHO
[13:22] <angelus85> so you're not loosing that much ;)
[13:22] <Dekans> with my old mp3 player it was perfect on Amarok 1.4
[13:24] <xanax`> hello
[13:26] <angelus85> i just know 2.* support
[13:27] <xanax`> is there a command to get rid of all the packages related to the linux kernel that I don't use anymore ?
[13:27] <xanax`> because I updated the kernel with synaptic and I would like to get rid of the ones I don't use anymore
[13:29] <angelus85> just look for the less recent version of linux kernel packages
[13:29] <angelus85> and remove them from synaptic
[13:29] <laetzer> hi all. is it possible to uninstall/disable plasma completely? the machine I've installed 9.10 on has only 512 mb. trying to save performance for other programs
[13:29] <xanax`> thanks angelus85
[13:31] <xanax`> angelus85 : should I choose 'select for complete deletion" ?
[13:32] <angelus85> you can simpli choose remove
[13:32] <angelus85> simply*
[13:32] <xanax`> ok
[13:32] <angelus85> it doesn't make a big difference though
[13:32] <xanax`> i don't want to make a mess with the configuration files
[13:32] <angelus85> just make sure you leave at least one linux-image-* package installed
[13:32] <xanax`> ok
[13:33] <angelus85> they will be reconfigured by the scripts executed while uninstalling
[13:37] <angelus85> does anybody know why my kdesudo decided not to react when i'm inserting a password longer than 0 chars?
[13:37] <xanax`> where can I change the delay for the tooltip window (that displays the content of a folder) in dolphin ?
[13:57] <angelus85> i try once again
[13:58] <angelus85> why does my kdesudo not react when i try to insert a password longer than 0 chars?
[14:16] <sheytan_> hi
[14:16] <sheytan_> can someone tell me if graphics card uses acpi?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:35] <HJ> hi all!
[14:36] <HJ> guys, I have a problem :)
[14:37] <HJ> need to set up a IDE DVD-ROM. files /dev/cdrom, /dev/dvdrw etc. are empty
[14:38] <HJ> they are linking to /dev/sr0
[14:38] <HJ> it empty too
[14:38] <HJ> how to create RIGHT /dev/sr0 file for the IDE DVD-ROM?
[14:46] <ercolinov> bonjoru
[15:01] <Bios> is it a good idea to turn install pre-released updates?
[15:02] <Mamarok> Bios: sorry, I don't really understand your question
[15:02] <Bios> (kde) you can turn on pre-released updates inside kpackagemanager
[15:02] <Bios> I am not sure if i should update with them
[15:03] <tsimpson> probably not
[15:03] <Mamarok> Bios: what exactly do you mean, KDE 4.4 from trunk?
[15:03] <tsimpson> those are for testing
[15:03] <tsimpson> Mamarok: it's to enable -proposed
[15:03] <Mamarok> Bios: if you are not familiar with stuff breaking from time to time you shouldn't use those, definitely not
[15:04] <Mamarok> Bios: you can use the Kubuntu backports PPA if you want the latest stable packages
[15:05] <Bios> http://imagebin.ca/view/VqZU-Z.html < :P but i guess i should turn it off again
[15:07] <Mamarok> Bios: yes, definitely, it's not meant for productive use
[15:09] <shappie> Hi, anybody got dualscreen with an ATi radion card (fglrx driver) working on kubuntu 9.10?
[15:11] <shappie> Nobody got dualscreen with fglrx driver?
[15:15] <Mamarok> shappie: I don't have two screens, can't tell
[15:15] <shappie> Ok.
[15:24] <xh_> hi! in karmic when i select 'Configure Windows Behaviour'  via title bar right-click on any window or via `systemsettings`  the program segfaults with this stacktrace: http://dpaste.org/4e0M/ When trying to open from systemsettings: the  segfaults happen specifically in 'Desktop Effects' and 'Screen Edges'. Is there a fix for this?
[15:28] <xh__> hi! in karmic when i select 'Configure Windows Behaviour'  via title bar right-click on any window or via `systemsettings`  the program segfaults with this stacktrace: http://dpaste.org/4e0M/ When trying to open from systemsettings: the  segfaults happen specifically in 'Desktop Effects' and 'Screen Edges'. Is there a fix for this?
[15:28] <Mamarok> !patience | xh__
[15:40] <chakie> hi folks
[15:40] <chakie> any hints for my wife's karmic that doesn't boot?
[15:41] <chakie> after a normal package update it now stops after grub has been loaded
[15:41] <chakie> "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured"
[15:42] <chakie> svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem
[15:42] <chakie> and then it drops to a busybox shell
[15:42] <ubsafder> hello
[15:42] <chakie> and grub is totally dead, you can't activate the normal menu by pressing Esc
[15:43] <chakie> seems to be a common bug based on some googling, but no answers
[15:44] <chakie> #358654 in launchpad
[15:44] <chakie> a normal package update is not really allowed to brick a "stable" system
[15:44] <heimdallferret> hi,  can someone help me configuring my vnc server, I've tried to follow tutorials but here are so many saying different things that I'm lost and I can't make it work
[15:46] <ubsafder> 9.10 doesn`t work with ati cards yet  is that normal behevior ?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> !ati
[15:51] <heimdallferret> nobody can help me to configure this *%$#@ vnc server ?
[15:53] <Mamarok> !language | heimdallferret
[15:54] <heimdallferret> ahah
[15:54] <Mamarok> ubsafder: my ATI card works here
[15:55] <heimdallferret> mamrok,do you know how to configure a vnc server ?
[15:58] <ubsafder> i guess you did buy fro; dell your laptop
[15:58] <BluesKaj> vnc is slow and unstable in my experience , openssh for linux to linux box is the way I found to be quickest and most stable ...and very easy to setup
[15:59] <heimdallferret> hum, I want to have a graphic connection with my computer at work, using vnc
[16:03] <ubsafder> i can't find anything for ATI radeon 3400 . is there a more specific page to setup the open source driver
[16:04] <BluesKaj> heimdallferret, what about KRDC remote desktop client
[16:05] <heimdallferret> I have to configure in command line, because I am connected to my computer at work via ssh
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ubsafder, install the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd driver , but first remove any other ati graphicds driver you may be using now.
[16:07] <ubsafder> well i have only a consol what ati driver are on ?
[16:08] <DexterF> 'evening
[16:08] <DexterF> k3b: I'd like to rip an audio cd to k3b, k3b only offers wave and ogg, I'd like mp3 tho. how?
[16:08] <meitnerium> hi the wallpaperclocks on vladstudio doesn't work. i think the wallpaper doesn't refresh. Can anyone solve my problem, please?
[16:09] <DexterF> ...rip *in* k3b...
[16:10] <robin0800> DexterF: install the k restricted extras
[16:10] <DexterF> robin0800: already installed
[16:12] <DexterF> there#s only copyright and changelog.gz in the package anyway
[16:13] <robin0800> DexterF: that claims it installs lame so perhaps you can configure k3b to use that
[16:15] <DexterF> that seriously blows. I can do that but it annoys me but the computers owner sure wouldnt have gone thru this. in kde3 I could just use konq...
[16:16] <robin0800> DexterF: a lot of music players can rip cd's
[16:16] <DexterF> like?
[16:16] <DexterF> oh great, kaudiocreator doesnt exist anymore.
[16:17] <robin0800> DexterF: amarok
[16:17] <BluesKaj> DexterF, sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[16:20] <DexterF> BluesKaj: no such package here. libk3b6 I can offer.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ok DexterF . hang on
[16:24] <BluesKaj> yes DexterF install it
[16:26] <DexterF> BluesKaj: well, it *is* installed... i figured tho why the mp3 option wasnt visible: I had to run k3b from a new login session
[16:26] <DexterF> duh
[16:26] <DexterF> the lame line is garbled tho but oh ok
[16:26] <kriss3d> uhmm in the new kubuntu 9.10. How to i add a desktop shortcut ? rightclicking on the desktop just gives me either add panel or add widget.
[16:27] <BluesKaj> DexterF, the mp3 option used to be left out for legal reasons (I think) and had to be added separately in previous kubuntus
[16:28] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, look in the kmenu for the app you want right click on it and choose your option
[16:28] <DexterF> i know
[16:29] <kriss3d> kmenu ? i want to run wow with wine. but there is no actuall "wine" program in the kmenu
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !winehq
[16:30] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, you can install wine with apt or your package manager
[16:30] <kriss3d> i have wine already
[16:31] <kriss3d> i can config it and it works just fine. i just need to know how to make a shortcut to the desktop in kubuntu 9.10
[16:31] <alexvwan> hi all!
[16:32] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, wine isn't in your kmenu?...it should be
[16:33] <dost> HI! How can I restore to default Dolphin settings?
[16:33] <kriss3d> well it is..but its config wine.. uninstall wine.. and a folder with "programs" > "Accessories" > Notepad
[16:34] <kriss3d> I cant even figure out where to add WoW to that programs folder..
[16:35] <kriss3d> ah.. i think i just found it..
[16:35] <kriss3d> figures.. you only find it after asking.. after searching for hours
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hmm , I thought WoW had a linux version
[16:37] <kriss3d> it doesnt
[16:38] <rudlavibizon> hey everybody
[16:38] <rudlavibizon> one question
[16:38] <jcmax> hello every who know software like reason 4 or propellerhead record v1.0 ?
[16:38] <rudlavibizon> how do I set a custom network connection to connect automatically when I log in?
[16:38] <jcmax> for linux
[16:39] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  in Wine in the kmenu there is a folder named Programs. How do i add WoW to that folder ?
[16:40] <freeRadi> Are there no pckages for kitchensync anymore in karmic?
[16:41] <jcmax> who knows analogs of software like reason 4 in iinux or propellerhead record v1.0
[16:42] <Mamarok> freeRadi: I don't think kitchensync was still developed
[16:42] <kriss3d> Oh another thing. Howcome kubuntu cant handle a wpa-psk net ? it wont connect but it will connect with open network with wifi
[16:43] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, configure wine/add applications
[16:43] <kriss3d> i was advised to install wicd. however it requires me to uninstall network manager which is a terrible idea
[16:43] <jcmax> i got some errors or bugs reason 4 is not correcting working in wine
[16:43] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  it doesnt show up. do i have to restart xorg to use it ?
[16:44] <freeRadi> Mamarok: Well waht i know it was just tranfered to opensync. And the german Linuxmagazine reported about it's usage in the last issue.
[16:44] <Mamarok> freeRadi: that's the magazine that publishes 6 month old stuff in an edition labeled for next month, right? :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, I don't recall
[16:45] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  ok thanks. ill reboot in a bit and see if it works.. ill just have to figure out how to allow ubuntu to use wpa-psk network
[16:45] <freeRadi> Mamarok: maybe. didn't read it for several years and yust took it from a friend because i'm looking for a syncronisation-tool ;)
[16:45] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, did you try wicd network manager ?
[16:46] <Mamarok> freeRadi: you might be interested in this article in the German wiki then: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/OpenSync
[16:46] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  sorta.. once it asked me to uninstall network-manager i got screwed.. after that.. no net at all
[16:46] <BluesKaj> you must uninstall network manager
[16:47] <freeRadi> Mamarok: I've  read it some minutes ago and it also mentions kitchensync as the tool to use in KDE
[16:47] <BluesKaj> then you have to configure wicd , but it's worth it
[16:47] <Mamarok> kitchensync was a KDE 3.x tool, not maitained anymore AFAIK
[16:47] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  but once ive removed network manager.. i couldnt reinstall it.. so i had to reinstall the entire ubuntu
[16:48] <robin0800> kriss3d: if you download the network manager as a deb you could reinstall it if needed plan ahead
[16:48] <freeRadi> Mamarok: I think you're right. Last comment on the project's homepage is 14 months ago.
[16:48] <Mamarok> freeRadi: it should ultimately be integrated into Kontact AFAIK
[16:49] <BluesKaj> Have stuff to do ...bbi 10 mins
[16:49] <kriss3d> robin0800:  how to i tell it to use a local file ?
[16:50] <Mamarok> at least that was the plan, don't know how far this has gone yet
[16:51] <gothice> HEY! Is it possible to zpgrade UBUNTO to KUBUNTU from the KUBUNTU CD? ;)
[16:51] <Mamarok> freeRadi: but there is this plugin: opensync-kde-plugin
[16:51] <Mamarok> gothice: please do not shout
[16:51] <robin0800> kriss3d: synaptic package manager can download and not install
[16:51] <gothice> Mamarok: And?
[16:52] <gothice> MEans, HOW 2 upgrade with the Kubuntu CD?
[16:52] <Mamarok> gothice: put the CD into your sources.list, then it will be treated like a repository
[16:52] <gothice> Mamarok: THANKS! :)
[16:52] <freeRadi> Mamarok: Seems like Kontact hasn' integrated anything like this now. The plugin is kde-3 only AFIK. I'll go use the GTK-UI instead. Thanks for your help.
[16:53] <Mamarok> but it's easier to just install the package kubuntu-desktop, unless you have a really slow net connection
[16:53] <Mamarok> freeRadi: you are welcome
[16:53] <gothice> mamarok: Which kommand would I have to issue to upgarde after using the CD as repo?
[16:54] <Mamarok> freeRadi: according to aptitude, that plugin is for the current KDE4, as it depends on kdepimlibs5
[16:54] <Mamarok> gothice: well, udate the source, the install the package kubuntu-desktop
[16:55] <freeRadi> Mamarok: NIce. I should stop trusting in Linuxmagazin.
[16:55] <Mamarok> which is a meta-package for the Kubuntu desktop
[16:55] <Mamarok> freeRadi: the problem with those magazines is that they are usually way behind current development
[16:56] <Mamarok> especially if you want new developments, they still talk about KDE 4.2 which was new almost a year ago
[16:56] <freeRadi> Mamarok: hmm - the gnome-frontend semms to be gone also
[16:59] <darkdelusions> Hey guys trying to get my external mic working on my headset but not having any luck is there an easy way to figure out what channel it is in the mixer? I have gone threw them all and I am not able figure it out
[17:01] <rstob911> darkdelusions: is it a usb headset
[17:01] <darkdelusions> no
[17:01] <darkdelusions> standard 3.5
[17:01] <gothice> mamarok: When I selec6t kubuntu-desktop, synaptic wants install additional packages from online. How to only install kubuntu delkstop withzout having internet connection?
[17:01] <rstob911> are you on a laptop darkdelusions
[17:02] <darkdelusions> ya
[17:02] <darkdelusions> normally I have no problem getting it working but since i installed 9.10 its not playing nice
[17:02] <rstob911> and you have the mic pluged into the mic and the speakers into the speakers
[17:03] <darkdelusions> yep
[17:03] <darkdelusions> and no the mute switch on my head set is not turned on :)
[17:03] <Mamarok> gothice: you need to disable the internet sources, uncheck those, do an update again, then it should only consider the CD
[17:03] <rstob911> are you using pulse
[17:04] <rstob911> as your sound server
[17:04] <darkdelusions> no
[17:04] <pippo> ciao a tutti
[17:05] <robin0800> on kde pulse sound server is not installed by default
[17:05] <Mamarok> !it | pippo
[17:05] <rstob911> i had to use pulse audio in kubuntu to get my sound to play right darkdelusions
[17:05] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: check in Kmix you have all channels visible and none muted
[17:06] <rstob911> i have a nvidia chipset
[17:06] <pippo> ok thank you
[17:06] <Mamarok> rstob911: bad idea, that, pulseaudio doesn't run well with most Kubuntu isntallations
[17:06] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: try without pulse first
[17:06] <darkdelusions> my sound working fine i am just trying to figure out when input is my external mic cause I tired to a process of  elimanation but cant seem to get it
[17:06] <rstob911> sorry it is my only solution that works flawlwssly for me
[17:06] <robin0800> Mamarok: its default in ubuntu
[17:07] <Mamarok> robin0800: well, we are on Kubuntu here, not on Ubuntu
[17:07] <robin0800> Mamarok: I know
[17:07] <kriss3d> robin0800:  ty ill try.. would you happen to know any guide ? just so im sure i remember everything
[17:07] <Mamarok> and it defintely is not default in Kubuntu, since Phonon can handle that
[17:07] <rstob911> kde4 and pulse has issues
[17:08] <gothice> mamarok: where do I find the option to disable i-net sources?
[17:08] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: activate all Kmix channels and check if those work al
[17:09] <Mamarok> gothice: what package manager do you use?
[17:09] <gothice> Mamarok: Synaptic
[17:09] <robin0800> kriss3d: if you use aptitude or it might be apt-get you can do a trial to see what will be uninstalled without it actually doing it
[17:10] <kriss3d> yeah. id just like to know how to get and install network-manager first without internet so im sure i wont have to reinstall the whole ubuntu
[17:10] <Mamarok> gothice: then go to the Settings menu of Synaptic -> Repositories
[17:10] <ubsafder> trying to setup the my ati card i did this http://pastebin.com/m3dac5a30
[17:11] <ubsafder>  and got this in my /var/log/xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/m7e4a30f3
[17:11] <Mamarok> gothice: uncheck all the internet sources there, insert the CD and it should then only consider the CD
[17:11] <robin0800> kriss3d: trial wicd install print details download ever file mentioned do the actual install
[17:12] <darkdelusions> Mamarok: I pretty much have done that already and still get nothing out external mic
[17:12] <kriss3d> robin0800:  well thats not the problem. if i at that point dont have network-manager at all
[17:13] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: how do you test?
[17:13] <robin0800> kriss3d: I think synaptics downloads are all debs so easy reinstall?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, you can enable your kubuntu -live-cd as a repository in your sources.list and reinstall network manger
[17:14] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  i thought that would work yes..
[17:14] <gothice> Mamarok: Done, but it tells me that kubuntu-desktop depends on qt-language-selector and so on. Not installable. :(
[17:14] <kriss3d> robin0800:  well.. what do you do with the deb files ?? doubleclicking it wont work aparently
[17:14] <Mamarok> gothice: because that is not on the CD
[17:14] <Mamarok> gothice: but since you can go online, why not download it from the web? It's much easier
[17:15] <kriss3d> well ill just try installing wicd..
[17:15] <robin0800> kriss3d: does here opens deb installer
[17:16] <robin0800> kriss3d:  GDebi Package Installer to be precise
[17:17] <darkdelusions> Mamarok: I was testing it using ventrillo's built in testing but if you have a better suggestion I will gladly try it
[17:17] <kriss3d> well it just asks me which program to open the files with..
[17:17] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, sudo dpkg -i nameofdebfile , as long asit's in your /home dir
[17:17] <kriss3d> ah ok ty
[17:17] <gothice> mamarok: This is another computer. I have the CD - or what do you mean???
[17:18] <robin0800> kriss3d: I'm sure there is a deb installer for kde not sure what its called
[17:18] <kriss3d> ok
[17:18] <rstob911> kpackage
[17:18] <rstob911> or smart
[17:19] <kriss3d> kpackagekit
[17:19] <rstob911> yes
[17:19] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: no idea what that ventrillo is, sorry :)
[17:19] <BluesKaj> robin0800, yes there is but it's flaky , one can right click on the deb file itself and choose debinstaller or whatever it's called , but sometimes it doesn't install everything properly
[17:20] <gothice> mamarok: That is in fact the CD. It's from Kubuntu.com
[17:20] <darkdelusions> What a good native app to test it in? see if i can get it working there first then I will battle with vent (its a teamspeak like app)
[17:20] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: I was rather asking if you want to use it with skype, make sure you have the static version of it, since that doesn't need pulseaudio
[17:21] <robin0800> BluesKaj: don't like to mention works fine in ubuntu
[17:21] <Mamarok> darkdelusions: it is sometimes necessary to mute capture channels, just try, hard to tell what works best for the individual case
[17:22] <gothice> Mamarok: A further hint is appreciated.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> robin0800, well, then you are lucky ..I've seen it fail on apps like google earth
[17:23] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, one of these days maybe you can walk me thru installing skype . I get as far testing the voice recording and it fails to work, no matter what audio/alsamixer settings I've tried
[17:25] <kriss3d> robin0800:  how do i get the wicd without installing it ? apt-get wicd says there is no package called wicd
[17:26] <robin0800> BluesKaj: its latest version seems good on dependencies and even tells you if it needs extra files but then goes and gets them
[17:26] <gothice> mamarok: would you please give me a link to an upgrade tutorial? I dont get it... :(
[17:27] <kriss3d> robin0800:  Ohh thats odd.. Using CLI apt-get i can install wicd just fine.. i dont have to uninstall network-manager first.. only when using GUI version
[17:29] <gothice> ...
[17:29]  * gothice wondering how the F***
[17:29] <Mamarok> gothice: sorry, was afk
[17:30] <Mamarok> gothice: and please, watch your language, we are all volunteeres here
[17:30] <gothice> Mamarok. Please accept my sincere apology.
[17:30] <Mamarok> gothice: OK, accepted
[17:31] <Mamarok> gothice: just to make sure, you do already have Ubuntu 9.10, you just want to switch to Kubuntu, right?
[17:31] <gothice> mamarok: thanks. Nope, I have ubuntu 9.04.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, wicd is in the universe repository , make sure you it enabled in your sources.list (delete the # in front of the deb)
[17:32] <gothice> mamarok: means I have to upgrade first?
[17:33] <jerry__> hi
[17:33] <Mamarok> gothice: well, you can switch to Kubuntu, but not with the 9.10 CD
[17:33] <kriss3d> BluesKaj:  yeah. my problem was just that in order to install wicd id have to uninstall both plasma-widget for network-manager and network-manager itself. But running apt-get install wicd worked like a charm without having to remove the network-manager so i had internet to download the wicd itself
[17:33] <kriss3d> brb
[17:33] <BluesKaj> kriss3d, when you use apt-get it autoremoves or disables (I'm not sure which) network manager
[17:34] <terimakasi> hi
[17:34] <kriss3d> ah ok.. then its just the GUi that messed somthing up i guess (or me somhow uninstalling the netowork-manager in a wrong way.. though i cant imagine how that happened)
[17:34] <kriss3d> brb.. network restart
[17:36] <Mamarok> gothice: please see also here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[17:36] <gothice> mamarok: So to upgrade I'd have to do thsi: Download Ubuntu 9.10 CD --> Upgrade to 9.10 --> use Kubuntu 9.10 CDE and Upgrade again? ;)
[17:39] <Mamarok> gothice: no, you can also plugin that computer, since you have an internet connection, why download the CD?
[17:39] <Mamarok> since you can donwload, you can also directly upgrade, no?
[17:40] <gothice> Mamarok: As I said - this is another system (OpenSuse 11.2). My other comp with Ubuntu that needs the upgrade has no wireless card and I don't have router access right now.
[17:41] <Mamarok> ah, ok, is the /home folder on a separate partition on that other computer?
[17:41] <Mamarok> since then you could simply install the new version without touching the /home partition
[17:42] <gothice> Mamarok: Nope.
[17:43] <gothice> Mamarok: I guess best bet would be to back up /home and completely re-install. Seems like it is not possible to switch from Ubuntu 9.04 to Kubuntu 9.10 with the kubunto CD OFFLINE.
[17:43] <gothice> true or not?
[17:44] <Mamarok> gothice: with the alternate CD it should be possible, please see the link I gave you
[17:46] <gothice> MAMAROCK: I'll try. ;)
[17:47] <Mamarok> gothice: my name is Mamarok...
[17:48] <BluesKaj> !tabkey | gothice
[17:48] <BluesKaj> !tab
[17:48] <gothice> :P Mamarok / "Amarok": whats the difference between the alternate CD and the kubuntu 9.10 CD? and more importantly: where do i find it?
[17:49] <Mamarok> gothice: the links are all on the website I gave you
[17:49] <BluesKaj> one can lead a horse to water....
[17:50] <Mamarok> the alternate CD provides a different installation procedure, not all GUI like the CD, and has other tools
[17:50] <gothice> Mamarok: Just can't find the downloadlink to the alternate Cd..
[17:51] <gothice> Mamarok: would you please paste the link here?
[17:53]  * gothice waiting patiently...
[17:53] <Mamarok> gothice: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download, click on the alternat download options right below the freen button, that link was in the menu of the page I gave you
[17:54] <BluesKaj> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[17:57] <BluesKaj> gothice, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download , there's aplace to check for the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, otherwise he'll end up with gnome , right ?
[17:58] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: right, but since he already has Gnome on that system, 9.04...
[17:58] <BluesKaj> if he uses the ubuntu download
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:58] <Mamarok> not sure upgrading from Ubuntu 9.04 to Kubuntu 9.10 can be done directly
[17:59] <Mamarok> I never did, since I don't use Ubuntu :)
[17:59] <gothice> Mamarok: yes, i want to get rid of gnome. woulod you recommend a complete -re-install?
[17:59] <gothice> Mamarok: OpenSuse? ;)
[18:00] <bbigras> anyone knows if we are going to get a patched glibc for the malloc_check problem http://www.purinchu.net/wp/2009/11/16/malloc_check_-crashes/ ?
[18:01] <Mamarok> gothice: I don't use OpenSuSE, I use Kubuntu
[18:01] <gothice> penner
[18:01] <gothice> :D
[18:01] <BluesKaj> I installed gnome desktop into my setup alongside kde , and gave it a go for a week or so . Gnome is easier to configure for apps but I got tired of it's "look" and no matter haow many diff themes etc I tried , I couldn't handle it's graphics so I finally removed it.
[18:02] <BluesKaj> for some apps , not all
[18:03] <gothice> OK: I'm chosing the way that really should work: re-install. backing up /home, re-install and then all features on there again. Enjoy the 1st Advend, guys! :)
[18:05] <coguan> newbie here.....
[18:05] <coguan> i need some help pls.....
[18:05] <BluesKaj> 1st Advend?
[18:06] <BluesKaj> !ask | coguan
[18:09] <darkdelusions> Mamarok: I figured it out... It seems like my headset channel is on digital input for some reason
[18:12] <coguan> i can't connect to internet using my wireless  in kubuntu, but in gnome its connected , there's someone can help..?
[18:13] <julien_> francais ?
[18:14] <coguan> indonesian...
[18:14] <julien_> frensh server abruti
[18:15] <BluesKaj> julien_,  #ubuntu-fr
[18:15] <julien_> merci ;)
[18:17] <julien_> bonsoir, je suis en pleine installation de LAMP avec l'aide d'une vidéo tuto trouvé sur l'aide de ubuntu, a un moment il faut entrer " w3m http://loclahost/public" et sa doit afficher une page mais jobtiens un message derreur
[18:17] <maco> !fr | julien_
[18:18] <julien_> sorry tromper de canal
[18:18] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | coguan
[18:19] <BluesKaj> julien_, dans le boite server  /join #ubuntu-fr
[18:22] <coguan> thx, i'll try to install wicd, its related with ipv6 problem?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> coguan, to disable IPv6 : Disabling an IPv6 permanently, kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub , Line 9 should look like this : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash ipv6.disable=1"
[18:27] <BluesKaj> coguan, no,  wicd is not related to IPv6  , as far as i know
[18:30] <coguan> thx much BluesKaj.....
[18:31] <BluesKaj> coguan, I hope it works for you
[18:42] <sheytan_> Hi there
[18:43] <sheytan_> can someone share the sources.list file for karmic 6bit?
[18:43] <sheytan_> i broke mine ;D
[18:47] <Mamarok> sheytan_: check here: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[18:54] <sheytan_> Mamarok thanks, is there any difference between 32 and 64 bit in the repos?
[18:56] <Mamarok> that depends on the repository, they have flags telling you the version
[18:56] <Mamarok> else it's in the package names, like for example for the kernel
[18:58] <sheytan_> Mamarok so, when i replace the sources.lis file form a 32 bi kubuntu it will work ok in 64bit?
[18:58] <Mamarok> sheytan_: read that webpage I gave you, please
[18:59] <Mamarok> if your system is already 32 bit, you can't just convert it, you need to do a reinstall, ditto the other way round
[18:59] <th3zik> wow hi people
[19:00] <sheytan_> Mamarok. know that. just asking if there's any difference between the URL in sources.list for 32 and 64 bit :)
[19:01] <chisel_> i just upgraged to 9.10 and now my video players wont play in full screen nor let me FF or RWD. nor will they allow me to expand the window size. i'm out of patience and ideas. google has been no help. can anyone help or point me in the right direction with out over analyzing
[19:01] <Mamarok> sheytan_: and if you look at the different repositories in that webpage you can see that it is explained :)
[19:01] <Mamarok> read
[19:07] <ubsafder> i am having trouble getting kde to start after gdm where will i find the logs ? xfce looks ok
[19:21] <Neremor> hello! I have alsa-utils installed, but the command "asoundconf" can't be found... any ideas whats wrong?
[19:22] <rstob911> Neremor: try alsaconf
[19:23] <rstob911> in a terminal sudo
[19:23] <Neremor> i can neither execute nor install alsaconf
[19:26] <rstob911> look here see if it helps you         http://ubuntu.sun.ac.za/wiki/index.php/Hardware
[19:32] <cmurda> hello
[19:32] <cmurda> I needed to see if i could get some help
[19:33] <cmurda> im brand new to linux, and TIRED of windows...
[19:34] <rstob911> cmurda: go ahead and ask if someone knows the answer they will chime in
[19:34] <cmurda> Thank you
[19:34] <cmurda> I have a Toshiba Satellite l305d, and I am running Kubuntu
[19:35] <cmurda> my laptop gets WAY too hot
[19:35] <cmurda> it doesnt sound like the fan is really blowing
[19:36] <cmurda> right now im @ 69*C
[19:40] <cmurda> any suggestions?
[19:41] <rstob911> cmurda: i looked on the web this is a known issue with toshiba laptops but i havent found any answers yet
[19:41] <cmurda> ok....
[19:42] <cmurda> so maybe making the switch to linux isnt the best idea for me yet? :(
[19:44] <Benkinooby> .
[19:45]  * genii sips
[20:06] <Erthe> Yo.
[20:10] <Neremor> hello! I removed all alsa kernel modules for soundcards. is there a way to reinstall them via apt?
[20:13] <wathek> Hello all
[20:13] <wathek> I would ask if there's any repo that contains Qt 4.5.3 ?
[20:13] <wathek> for the karmic koala
[20:14] <Benkinooby> Neremor: sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[20:15] <Benkinooby> maybe you have to use purge
[20:15] <Benkinooby> wathek: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=qt
[20:17] <wathek> Benkinooby, cool thank you
[20:17] <Benkinooby> wathek: i am not sure if you will need all of them
[20:17] <Benkinooby> wathek: is there any special purpose?
[20:17] <wathek> Benkinooby, yep it says that Qt 4.5.3 is available that's all what I need
[20:18] <wathek> need just to add the repos in my ubuntu and then install it
[20:18] <wathek> :D
[20:18] <Benkinooby> wathek: i guess u donwloaded software, not insing apt-get or aptitude
[20:18] <Benkinooby> wathek: so dependencies could not be resolved...
[20:18] <wathek> Benkinooby, no I used apt-get
[20:19] <Benkinooby> wathek: in general, aptitude seems to have better dependencie-management that apt-get
[20:19] <wathek> Benkinooby, yep that's right
[20:21] <wathek> Benkinooby, but the problem is in which repos I can find qt 4.5.3
[20:25] <wathek> looool
[20:25] <Benkinooby> wathek: ?
[20:25] <wathek> what does it mean 4.5.3really4.5.2-0ubuntu1
[20:25] <wathek> it's 4.5.2 and not 4.5.3 ?
[20:25] <wathek> loool
[20:26] <Benkinooby> ?
[20:26] <wathek> Benkinooby, it seems that it's the 4.5.2 and not the 4.5.3
[20:27] <Benkinooby> wathek: i see 4.5.3
[20:27] <wathek> Benkinooby, I got Qt 4.5.3really4.5.2-0ubuntu1 and when I do qmake -v
[20:27] <wathek> it says it's 4.5.2
[20:30] <wathek> doesn't matter
[20:30] <Benkinooby> ok
[20:34] <lili> hi.. does anybody here can help me? when i try to boot ubuntu, i often failed at grub. and it's left _ blinking and i have to hard reset the computer. i really confused with what causing this. is this a problem with ubuntu or hardware?
[20:35] <Benkinooby> lili: did you do update or something like tis before?
[20:37] <lili> Benkinooby : i believe it's a fresh install. i'll try to boot with Live CD and the problem still the same, but it's not always like that, it's only sometimes. i'm afraid if it's not ubuntu so it's the ram. am i right?
[20:38] <Benkinooby> lili: you can test the ram with the live-cd
[20:38] <Benkinooby> lili: there is a entry in the menu beside install ubuntu and test ubuntu....
[20:38] <Benkinooby> lili: is your ram old?
[20:39] <lili> Benkinooby : i forgot to mention that i have running that test, and the result is fine, well i have this ram for 2 years. i'm not sure if it's old or not :)
[20:40] <Benkinooby> lili: 2 years are ok... what is about the hard disk?
[20:41] <lili> Benkinooby : the hard disk is old. i have two hard disk installed, and bot are still ata
[20:41] <lili> *both
[20:41] <Benkinooby> lili: could be a reason....
[20:42] <Benkinooby> lili: somtimes it also happens to me, but presseing the enter-key works fine for me
[20:42] <Benkinooby> but my hardware is new
[20:44] <lili> Benkinooby : yes maybe. but as far as i know live cd go into ram not hard disk, correct me if i'm wrong..
[20:52] <Neremor> i'm using pulseaudio, but i only get sound from the two front speakers. I have an intel onboard soundcard which supports 5.1 for sure (tested under windows), but pulseaudio only uses the output for the front speakers. any idea what to fix?
[21:00] <Ev0luti0n_> guys
[21:01] <Benkinooby> lili: so the boot problem occurs with livecd?
[21:01] <Ev0luti0n_> how can i do a scan to my linux system for trojans and malware?
[21:01] <lili> Benkinooby : yes
[21:02] <Benkinooby> Neremor: use kmixer
[21:02] <Neremor> hm doesn't kmixer belong to alsa? i have a pulseaudio problem
[21:03] <Benkinooby> Neremor: and also use sudo alsaconf in terminal... check if all panels are activated
[21:03] <Neremor> alsaconf isn't available anymore
[21:03] <Neremor> in the default ubuntu repos
[21:04] <Benkinooby> Neremor: the way linux handles sound is quite difficult. there are different layers...
[21:04] <Benkinooby> Neremor: oh, sorry i mean alsamixer
[21:04] <Benkinooby> lili: d you also have a hard disk install of ubuntu?
[21:05] <Neremor> well ok, i have to restart kubuntu because i changed the default sound card
[21:05] <Neremor> i'm back in a few minutes
[21:06] <Benkinooby> Ev0luti0n_: google is your friend.. there is a lot of software
[21:06] <lili> Benkinooby : yes, both of my hard disk run ubuntu and kubuntu
[21:06] <Benkinooby> lili: so the boot problem only comes with the live cd?
[21:08] <Benkinooby> Ev0luti0n_: clam AV and AVG are offering linux antivirus software for free
[21:08] <lili> Benkinooby : no, both live cd and hard disk. but you know it's not always just sometimes.
[21:09] <orzel> Hello. I'm quite confused because i have two computers that successfully updated to 9.10, but i dont have the same behaviour in kde.  On one computer, if i drag&drop the 'desktop'  folder on the background, i'm asked about 'icon' and 'lancelot', but not the usual 'directory viewing' option. In the same way, in the desktop configuration, if i want to use the "Desktop view" style, i can't, i only have the default 'Desktop' plasma style.
[21:09] <orzel> Do you have any idea what could cause this ?
[21:09] <Benkinooby> lili: what is the log files saying?
[21:09] <orzel> especially, it feels weird to have a 'style' menu with only one style inside....
[21:10] <lili> Benkinooby : i don't know i never see the log file.
[21:11] <Benkinooby> lili: use the program ksystemlog.... ist installed by default
[21:11] <lili> Benkinooby : sadly, i'm now chatting on netbook because the desktop won't start. :(
[21:12] <Benkinooby> lili: canyou get into comandline?
[21:13] <Benkinooby> lili: or boot with fail-safe option?
[21:13] <Neremor> well now i've no sound at least
[21:13] <Benkinooby> orzel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=134568
[21:14] <Neremor> i changed the alsa default sound card to my pci-c-media card. This card has loaded kernel drivers and should work. all channels are unmuted. alsa routes the input to pulseaudio. Pulseaudio has set as output the c-media card too.
[21:14] <Neremor> and off course i restarted after the changes i made.
[21:15] <orzel> Benkinooby: i wont delete my whole .kde dir!!
[21:15] <orzel> Benkinooby:  or do you mean that it could be kde messing with its configuration files ?
[21:15] <lili> Benkinooby : i can. and then?
[21:15] <Benkinooby> orzel: this is not what i told you... but this are the files, that contain all the settings, so i guess this is where the difference is
[21:16] <Neremor> no i have sound again :D
[21:16] <Benkinooby> lili: go to /var/log
[21:16] <orzel> Benkinooby: i can delete all plasma related file though
[21:16] <Benkinooby> Neremor: what did you change?
[21:16] <Neremor> nothing :D
[21:16] <drostie_> anyone know where I can find source or docks for the notes plasmoid? it doesn't seem to be on the kde site, or else my google-fu is off. :/
[21:16] <Neremor> ok but now i've the problem with which i started today:
[21:17] <drostie_> hmmm. evil dual logins... :/
[21:17] <lili> Benkinooby : ok, next?
[21:18] <Benkinooby> lili: cat syslog | grep grub
[21:18] <Benkinooby> lili: type this
[21:19] <Neremor> i would like to configure the volume of the single channels in pulseaudio's "pavucontrol". But something strange happens: When i set EVERY slider (all 6) to zero, you should think you don't hear anything anymore. Wrong; the front speakers are muted as they are supposed to. but the rear speakers aren't affected by the change... any idea why??
[21:20] <lili> Benkinooby : are you sure that was the right cmd? because it says no such file or directory
[21:21] <Benkinooby> Neremor: i had a similar problem... finally i solved it by letting kmixer display all channels and then i tested... also you have to know, that you have to set some software app. to obey pulse-audi. my vlc player was using alsa straigt ignoring pulseaudio totally... i had to do the setting in vlc
[21:22] <drostie> I'm not even seeing the notes plasmoid on opendesktop.org o_O.
[21:22] <Benkinooby> lili: ??? wow... ok, what files are in the /var/log directory?
[21:23] <Benkinooby> drostie: maybe it was not a plasmoid... maybe it was knotes...
[21:23] <lili> Benkinooby : lots and it's impossible for me to tell you one by one.
[21:23] <Benkinooby> lili: do you see a file called syslog ?
[21:24] <lili> Benkinooby : yep, syslog, syslog 1, and syslog 2.gz
[21:24] <Benkinooby> Neremor: but for you it seems to be a system problem, and not an app. problem
[21:25] <Neremor> ok i got it right now
[21:25] <Benkinooby> lili: cat syslog | grep grub
[21:25] <Neremor> i didn't solve the error, but i found a work-around
[21:25] <Benkinooby> lili: cat syslog | grep boot
[21:25] <Benkinooby> Neremor: what is the workaround?
[21:26] <drostie> Benkinooby: no, I really don't think the plasma widget that I'm using is KNotes, based on the screenshots I can find of KNotes. o_O
[21:26] <drostie> Anyway, I think I found the config file.
[21:26] <lili> Benkinooby, cat:  syslog: no such file or directory
[21:27] <Neremor> because i can't change the volume of the rear speakers, i reduced the volume of the front speakers...
[21:27] <drostie> lili: you've really got no /var/log/syslog ? o_O.
[21:28] <Benkinooby> this is what puzzles me too
[21:28] <Benkinooby> lili: type pwd and tell me the output
[21:29] <lilyy> Benkinooby : it's me lili. i'm on the desktop now. ok please wait
[21:29] <lilyy> Benkinooby : /home/petsounds
[21:30] <Benkinooby> lilyy: awww!!! you were in the werong directory!! type "cat /var/log/syslog | grep grub"
[21:31] <Benkinooby> is there something coming?
[21:31] <lilyy> no sorry
[21:32] <Benkinooby> ok,  type "cat /var/log/syslog | grep boot"
[21:32] <Benkinooby> without the " signs
[21:33] <lilyy> Benkinooby : yes i typed that without the "
[21:34] <Benkinooby> also if you type with boot nothing comes?
[21:35] <lilyy> yep nothing comes
[21:36] <Benkinooby> lilyy: may be this will be of interest for you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1688
[21:39] <lilyy> Benkinooby : ok i read it. but it tells me nothing :(
[21:39] <Benkinooby> lilyy: you read the website or the log file?
[21:39] <lilyy> Benkinooby : the site
[21:42] <Benkinooby> lilyy: dmesg is an other way linux places complaints :P
[21:43] <Benkinooby> so "dmesg | grep boot" will give you everyting from dmesg that mentions the word "bot"
[21:45] <lilyy> [    0.000000]   node 0 bootmap 00011000 - 00017f00
[21:45] <lilyy> [    0.000000] (9 early reservations) ==> bootmem [0000000000 - 00377fe000]
[21:45] <lilyy> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-15-generic root=/dev/sdb5 ro quiet splash
[21:48] <Benkinooby> lilyy: so this where my small knowledge ends... google
[21:49] <lilyy> it's ok Benkinooby ill try it later
[21:50] <Benkinooby> lilyy: ok, good luck
[21:51] <lilyy> thx
[21:53] <laetzer> hi all. I started reading a lot about ati radeon on ubuntu. it's confusing. what exactly is the best thing to do with 9.10 kubuntu and an ati radeon pro 9600? thanks for any tip
[21:56] <powlins> hi all
[21:57] <powlins> can someone help me?
[21:57] <powlins> i have some problems with the wireless
[21:57] <powlins> it ses that it is disabled..
[22:09] <Kubit> I can't get rid of kopete playing a notification sound upon incoming message...
[22:09] <Kubit> turned off sounds from configure notifications and even turned ALL System sounds off
[22:09] <Kubit> it still plays that sound
[22:15] <haakon_> Can someone give me some hints on how to kontroll the power management more efficient, when i unplugg my laptop from the AC the cpu reduces speed
[22:19] <ale_> ciao
[22:20] <ale_> !list
[22:32] <hagabaka> my hard drive is making noise non-stop :/
[22:33] <giz> hagabaka:clicking?
[22:34] <hagabaka> just the noise it normally makes when writing/reading a lot, but now it's doing it constantly
[22:37] <giz> hagabaka:do you have an AV scanner running?
[22:40] <Zassel> hi, my kde4 do not save the resolution is set! it worx fine until i rebbot, but then it start with max resolution :( how can i make kde4 remember my configuration (if is start Resolution Konfig it switches automaticaly to my favorit res)
[22:41] <hagabaka> giz: I have rkhunter and clamd installed, but I don't know how to tell if they're scanning now
[22:42] <giz> hagabaka:try top for starters in a terminal
[22:43] <hagabaka> well rkhunter is not running, clamd is running, but it's a daemon
[22:43] <hagabaka> it's not using much CPU or memory
[23:38] <ASrock> hey im using kubuntu 9.04 and i like synaptic and i want to install it...what would i type into the terminal to install it
[23:39] <rstob911> ASrock: apt-get synaptic
[23:40] <ASrock> rstob911: that returns "E: Invalid operation synaptic"
[23:42] <ASrock> oh what do i type to update my apt-get lists?
[23:42] <ASrock> nvm i got i
[23:42] <ASrock> t
[23:44] <tinel>  hi all, I have a problem with my sound card "Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)", absolutely no sound on ubuntu 9.10....any help?
[23:44] <rstob911> ASrock:    http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3106317.0
[23:45] <tinel>  hi all, I have a problem with my sound card "Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)", absolutely no sound on ubuntu 9.10....any help?
[23:47] <tinel>  hi all, I have a problem with my sound card "Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)", absolutely no sound on ubuntu 9.10....any help?


[16:31] <tyhicks> hello
[16:31] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 16 16:31:48 2017 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:31] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <tyhicks> Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) provided debdiffs for trusty-artful for git (LP: #1719740)
[16:32] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:32] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm currently publishing wpa updates
[16:33] <mdeslaur> and I have some xorg updates to test and publish after that
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'll be picking something off the list after
[16:33] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[16:33] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:34] <bittin> i am helping with some Ubuntu ISO testing :p
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm working on a perl update, and have another update to finish testing
[16:35] <sbeattie> I need to look at some apparmor tasks
[16:35] <sbeattie> and I'll pick up another update off the list.
[16:35] <sbeattie> that's it for me. tyhicks?
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'll be doing SRU verifications this week for libseccomp and seccomp kernel changes
[16:36] <tyhicks> oh, I'm on community this week
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'm in the process of going back through the ecryptfs kernel queue and getting certain fixes headed to 4.14 and others to 4.15
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'll have a bit more work to do upstream for libseccomp and libseccomp-golang this week once a couple PR reviews are completed but the hard work is already done there
[16:37] <tyhicks> finally, I need to get back on top of my email inbox after falling behind while traveling lately
[16:38] <tyhicks> I suspect that there will be some items that fall out of that
[16:38] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:38] <jjohansen> I am ignoring everyone this week until I can the unix socket RFC out
[16:39] <tyhicks> good idea
[16:39] <tyhicks> feel free to leave it at that :)
[16:39] <jjohansen> after which I have a back log of bugs to investigate, and possibly 2.9, and 2.10 point releases
[16:40] <jjohansen> sarnold: you're up
[16:41] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week, but I think ratliff is going to help out in the mornings :) otherwise it'll be running down the MIRs.. spice-vdagent is in progress atm
[16:41] <sarnold> also reviewing whatever it is john prepares for aa upstreaming
[16:42] <sarnold> and maybe this is the week I finally bid farewell to my beloved pentadactyl and waste an entire day trying webbrowsers :(
[16:42] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I need to update rust to 1.20 everywhere
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> I'll also need to sync up with will at some point to discuss the startpage in firefox
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> Fingers crossed, after that I'll be able to focus on the stuff I discussed with tyhicks at the sprint
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:44] <ratliff> I'm on bug triage this week.
[16:44] <tyhicks> I hope you'll be able to get to that
[16:44] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh! can we vote what it should be? I vote for beesbeesbees.com
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, haha :)
[16:45] <ratliff> sarnold covered for me on CVE triage last week while I was sprinting, so I am going to return the favor this week :)
[16:45] <ratliff> I have a number of tasks resulting from last's weeks sprint to focus on for this week.
[16:45] <ratliff> on to you, leosilva
[16:45] <leosilva> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:46] <leosilva> I'll do the usual pkg hunting
[16:46] <leosilva> also have some reads and investigations to do in snap packaging.
[16:47] <leosilva> also have some readings in sssd (it's hard to test it :()
[16:47] <leosilva> that is from me,
[16:47] <leosilva> tyhicks: it's back to you!
[16:47] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:47] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:47] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:48] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:48] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/connman.html
[16:48] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libbluray.html
[16:48] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/efl.html
[16:48] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tomboy.html
[16:48] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/qpid-proton.html
[16:48] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:48] <tsimonq2> tyhicks: :D
[16:48] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:48] <tsimonq2> Also, hi everyone :)
[16:49] <tyhicks> I'll just repeat what was mentioned earlier regarding the wpa updates
[16:49] <tyhicks> mdeslaur released updates about an hour ago
[16:49] <tyhicks> see https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/ for details
[16:49] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: thanks for handling those updates
[16:49] <mdeslaur> np
[16:49] <tyhicks> hi tsimonq2
[16:49] <tyhicks> :)
[16:50] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff, leosilva: Thanks!
[16:50] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 16 16:50:35 2017 UTC.
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-10-16-16.31.moin.txt
[16:50] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks :)
[16:50] <ratliff> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:50] <sarnold> hey tsimonq2 :)
[16:51] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:52] <tsimonq2> Thanks tyhicks :)
[16:53] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!


[05:22] <howdy> hi.
[05:25] <howdy> i am wanting to dual boot 2 different versions of ubuntu 10 and 12. im fine with the first install but am a little confused when it comes to install the second. can anyone suggest where i can find info on dualbooting 2 ubuntu installs?
[08:12] <cjwatson> brendand: you'll have to tell me something about how those installs are set up
[08:14] <cjwatson> brendand: but possibly, looking at this, try preseeding 'd-i live-installer/net-image string http://<IP_ADDRESS>/enablement/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/quantal-server-amd64/install/filesystem.squashfs'
[08:14] <cjwatson> I'm guessing a bit
[08:15] <brendand> cjwatson, should they be set up now in the same way as for desktop images?
[08:23] <cjwatson> brendand: I don't understand the question
[08:31] <brendand> cjwatson, you mentioned there was a change in the way server images installed - something about casper vs debootstrap?
[08:35] <cjwatson> casper -> red herring
[08:36] <cjwatson> so, what's happened is that the base system part of the server install is now done by mounting and copying a squashfs image, rather than by running debootstrap
[08:37] <cjwatson> it hasn't changed to a live install or anything - the rest of the install proceeds as normal
[08:37] <cjwatson> the temporary appearance of paths containing "casper" was a bug in the cdimage scripts
[08:43] <brendand> cjwatson, so i guess our preseeds would assume that debootstrap was being used
[08:44] <brendand> cjwatson, i can attach one to the bug if it helps
[08:44] <cjwatson> That's normally invisible to preseeding
[08:44] <cjwatson> Are you doing a cdrom-type install or a netboot-type install here?
[08:45] <brendand> cjwatson, oh - netboot, yes
[08:45] <cjwatson> I seem to recall that your setup is some kind of semi-supported mish-mash of the two ...
[08:45] <cjwatson> Don't you mount a CD and tell it to acquire from that over the network, or something?
[08:46] <brendand> pretty much
[08:47] <cjwatson> I've been complaining about that being unsupported ever since cr3 first set it up :)
[08:47] <cjwatson> So, normally, netboot installs would still use debootstrap
[08:51] <brendand> are the same set of images supported for netboot?
[08:51] <brendand> alpha-3 for example, where is that?
[08:52] <cjwatson> But because you're acquiring udebs from a server CD, it picks live-installer instead
[08:52] <cjwatson> So, if you want that to work, you have to preseed live-installer/net-image as above
[08:52] <cjwatson> Testing netboot would involve taking a snapshot of the archive
[11:41] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5580 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[11:41] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Call installprogress.finish_update() when a download fails or is
[11:41] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cancelled, not installprogress.finishUpdate() (LP: #1024043).
[16:21] <bdmurray> are the scrollbars in the slidewhow in bug 1032178 an issue with ubiquity or the slideshow itself?
[16:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032178 in ubiquity "ubiquity: scroll bars on installer display even though there is plenty of free space on the display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032178
[16:37] <CIA-7> yaboot-installer: cjwatson * r496 ubuntu/debian/ (14 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.1.21
[16:38] <CIA-7> yaboot-installer: cjwatson * r497 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.1.21ubuntu1


[00:04] <ibeardslee> righto this me giving up at work for the day
[00:12] <Atamira> get better soon ibeardslee
[00:12] <Atamira> drink lots of ginger tea
[06:58] <ajmitch> yay, chorus connected DSL when they said they would
[07:01] <lifeless> \o/
[21:03] <ajmitch> morning
[22:12] <Atamira> morena
[22:24] <mwhudson> morning
[22:29] <thumper> morning
[23:25] <ibeardslee> urg
[23:28] <thumper> ibeardslee: still unwell?
[23:28] <ibeardslee> a bit worse that yesterday
[23:36] <ajmitch> so irritating to be installing packages & switch to another virtual desktop, expecting that they're actually installing
[23:36] <ajmitch> but no, there's a debconf prompt up
[23:39] <ibeardslee> in a way that's better than prompts from a different virtual desktop popping up over the top of what you are doing, and taking focus
[23:40] <ajmitch> certainly, though this is an upgrade via ssh
[23:40] <ajmitch> so it'd be hard for it to grab focus
[23:41] <hads> A desktop notification tunneled back would be fancy
[23:42] <ajmitch> that can be done
[23:43] <ajmitch> I know that some people have notifications working when using irssi in screen on a remote host
[23:43] <hads> Yeah I've seen that too, quite nifty
[23:44] <hads> Integration with the indicators would probably be better for me, I'm away from my computer so often that I miss notifications.
[23:44] <hads> And with that, I have to step away.
[23:44] <ajmitch> using the messaging menu?
[23:45] <ibeardslee> I sometimes get a sound notification from irssi running via ssh
[23:46] <ibeardslee> confusing at times .. because of the 'sometimes' .. maybe I just don't recognise the othertimes
[23:57] <chilts> morning