[15:48] <holstein> zequence: question...
[16:08] <zequence> holstein: shoot
[16:09] <holstein> zequence: i was just trying to find our 10.04 version for a confused user
[16:09] <zequence> holstein: Oh. Did you find it?
[16:10] <holstein> i found it linked somewhere odd.. let me throw some links here
[16:11] <holstein> ftp://ftp-hk.tmapy.cz/pub/linux/iso-images/desktop/ubuntu-10.04/ubuntustudio-10.04-alternate-amd64.iso is what i found
[16:11] <holstein> not official
[16:11] <zequence> It's not supported anymore AFAIK
[16:11] <holstein> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ubuntustudio/ is where we couldnt find it
[16:11] <zequence> ah
[16:11] <holstein> zequence: i have been addressing that for about 6 pages in IRC
[16:32] <cub> holstein, that was an impressive chat. :D
[23:29] <zequence> gimp is more or less unusable for me on saucy. Not sure yet why
[23:29] <zequence> A lot of functions don't work at all


[01:36] <djr95> P
[19:58] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer[m]: nice website! if i may suggest potential improvements: fix mixed content on https, force http -> https, use RSA key > 2048 bit, disable TLSv1.0 and 1.1, use DNS CAA ( https://blog.qualys.com/ssllabs/2017/03/13/caa-mandated-by-cabrowser-forum ), make use of some http(s) hardening approaches ( https://ubuntustudio.org/ ), possibly hide php and web server version.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: All of that is handled by #canonical-sysadmin, we have no direct access to files.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: That said, they're already working on updating things anyhow.
[20:01] <tomreyn> nice. so you manage non of php configuration, webserver configuration, files hosted, DNS?
[20:01] <tomreyn> *none
[20:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: That's correct, we just handle content via Wordpress.
[20:01] <tomreyn> i see. :)
[20:02] <tomreyn> https://wordpress.org/plugins/security-headers/ if you can request extensions
[20:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> tomreyn: I'd rather this conversation be in #ubuntustudio-devel if you would please. :)
[20:18] <zmagii> i can't seem to delete my vim installation
[20:18] <zmagii> that is, the default vim installation
[20:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Could you take that discussion to #ubuntu ? You're only going to find multimedia-related support here.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> #ubuntu is much more active with that issue.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> or issues like it.
[20:23] <zmagii> cool
[21:11] <Alex74> well yeah wtf am i doing?
[21:12] <Alex74> how did i appear here?!
[21:13] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: so i've sorted out my issue over at #ubuntu, but the conclusion is that I had a strange binary at /usr/local/bin/vim
[21:13] <zmagii> Would that have anything to do with ubuntu studio defaults?
[21:15] <Alex74> changes anything?
[21:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Not at all. Let me show you exactly what the defaults are: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/
[21:15] <Alex74>  at /usr/local/bin/vim
[21:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> As you can see, we install nothing there.
[21:16] <Alex74> yeah like a tresh bin no?
[21:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Do you have a support question?
[21:16] <Alex74> yea wtf is this forum?
[21:17] <Alex74> chat*
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Read the topic line. This is the Ubuntu Studio Support chat.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> !support
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> !offtopic
[21:17] <Alex74> yeah excuse me drunk as f
[21:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> !language | Alex74
[21:18] <Alex74> again exxcuse me,
[21:18] <Alex74> can i manualy import windows vst to run on ubuntu?
[21:19] <Alex74> is that on topic?
[21:19] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: thanks
[21:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Kindof. You need to install carla and the carla-wine bridges.
[21:19] <Alex74> hehh
[21:20] <Alex74> any easy way?\
[21:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: That is the easiest way by far.
[21:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Don't expect Ubuntu to run like Windows because, well, it's not Windows.
[21:21] <Alex74> yeah got it
[21:21] <Alex74> for a while now trying to work on lmms
[21:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, have fun.
[21:21] <Alex74> any other user friendly daws?
[21:21] <Alex74> no midi no nothing
[21:21] <Alex74> just a keyboard
[21:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> My weapon of choice is Ardour, which does everything.
[21:22] <Alex74> can you explain how i use my keyboard as a midi?
[21:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is it a midi keyboard?
[21:22] <Alex74> nope.
[21:23] <Alex74> 0_0
[21:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then it's not possible.
[21:23] <Alex74> yep got it
[21:23] <Alex74> no other modification?
[21:23] <Alex74> just plug and play?
[21:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unless it's a midi keyboard that uses a midi interface or midi via USB, no.
[21:24] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: what would be the best program to use if i want to start off with a basic synthesiser (e.g. maybe just a sine wave) and then tweak it into a usable synthesiser for project?
[21:24] <zmagii> *projects
[21:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> But MIDI keyboards, if USB, are generally plug-and-play. Otherwise, if they have MIDI, they'll have to go through a midi interface.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Best is subjective, but Carla is a good one since it provides a virtual keyboard and can use synthesizer plugins.
[21:25] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: The reason for me asking is that I used Logic Studio to record an album a few years ago and now I have the problem that I can't export any of the instruments
[21:25] <Alex74> ok then..
[21:25] <zmagii> So I basically want to "redo" them, as in, find things close to them
[21:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Unfortunately nothing we have is compatible with Logic Studio.
[21:25] <Alex74> i have an old sound card
[21:25] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: yup nothing *anyone* has is
[21:25] <Alex74> guitar-u
[21:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: Ardour and LMMS can use MIDI.
[21:25] <Alex74> guitar-u 1630
[21:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: I'm not familiar with that one.
[21:26] <Alex74> how do i make it work on linux
[21:26] <Alex74> eickmeyer[m] its a cheap and old one
[21:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Just about everything is plug-and-play, no drivers required.
[21:26] <Alex74> that one requires even on win
[21:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Linux kernel is that comprehensive.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, Windows' kernel isn't nearly as comprehensive as Linux. The only thing I can tell you, Alex74 , is try it. You have nothing to lose from trying. If it doesn't work, then that's your answer.
[21:29] <Alex74> as i remmember it didnt work on 16
[21:29] <Alex74> ill try but yeah
[21:29] <Alex74> now a comp eng
[21:29] <Alex74> not*
[21:30] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: could i use e.g. an oscillator track and try to tweak it from there?
[21:30] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: the basis of a synthesiser is an oscillator, right?
[21:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Older hardware loses support due to bitrot (nobody maintains the code for upkeep).
[21:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> zmagii: If you want. There's tons of synth plugins included by default, so experiment. Find what works for you.
[21:33] <zmagii> Eickmeyer[m]: alright, cool
[21:53] <Alex74> Eickmeyer[m]: is that a matrix chat?
[21:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Yes.
[21:53] <Alex74> thats nice
[21:54] <Alex74> any connection to matrix global?
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Alex74: Yes. This is a bridged channel.
[21:54] <Alex74> thats very cool
[21:55] <Alex74> iam also a maerle.. :P
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> I also have a direct IRC client.
[21:56] <Alex74> irs is rescue or relay?
[21:56] <Alex74> irc*
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> IRC is Internet Relay Chat.
[21:56] <Alex74> ok then
[21:56] <Alex74> quite new to all the term
[21:57] <Alex74> Eickmeyer how do i pm you?
[21:57] <Alex74> here or [m]?
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> Alex74: Whichever. I'll be quicker to respond to the [m], but what reason do you have to PM me?
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> BTW, we have #ubuntustudio-offtopic for social stuff.
[21:59] <Alex74> Eickmeyer: just to talk you seem to be a social creature
[21:59] <Alex74> i have question and stuff off topic
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> Alex74: Feel free to jump in #ubuntustudio-offtopic. We have quite a few social butterflies in there. :)
[22:01] <Alex74> exedently pressed X


[13:44] <hello__> hello
[13:44] <hello__>  how to get cloack where to get it?
[13:47] <Fuchs> hello__: the regular unaffiliated cloak you can get in #freenode, however, this requires a registered account (see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup or /msg nickserv help register  for the short version. Make sure to use a valid e-mail address and check for a confirmation e-mail after you registered.) and won't work while using webchat
[13:48] <k1l_> !membership | hello__ if you want a ubuntu cloak
[13:48] <Fuchs> hello__: for the ubuntu cloak you'd need to be an ubuntu member, this would also required a registered account, mind
[13:50] <hello__> actually i  was trying to connect ruby on rails channel there i  was unable to clear my doubts withut cloak?
[13:50] <Fuchs> hello__: you want to register a nick and use a real client (e.g. hexchat), then you can get a cloak in #freenode and also join that ruby channel, with or without cloak
[13:50] <Fuchs> in here you are a bit at the wrong place :)
[13:51] <hello__> cant it be done via webchat only client?
[13:52] <k1l_> webchat will not be cloaked.
[13:52] <Fuchs> hello__: well, you will be able to join #rubyonrails, but you can't get a cloak, no
[13:54] <hello__> kll: means?
[13:54] <Pici> You need to be registered and identified to join #rubyonrails, but that has nothing to do with cloak status.
[13:55] <Pici> well, to speak there, not join.
[13:55] <k1l_> you can join channels that request an account but your ip will still be shown if you use a webchat.
[13:56] <Fuchs> technically even when you have a cloak (e.g. project cloak) your IP is shown on webchat, as it is in the realname and ident, too. Short variant: do what I said: get a real client, register an account, (optionally) get a cloak -> go to #rubyonrails
[13:57] <hello__> fuchs: without registering i  cant get cloack?
[13:57] <hello__> and which client is best?
[13:58] <Fuchs> hello__: personal preference. If you use ubuntu or windows or l/xubuntu: try hexchat. For kubuntu: konversation.
[13:58] <Fuchs> And yes
[13:58] <k1l_> hello__: without you having a account how should freenode know who to give the cloak? but i think you can get more help on the network issues on #frenode


[05:47] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:47] <alkisg> o/
[09:33] <user|87> Hellooo everyone! I've got a problem.. On technician has modified something in my bios and now when I start kubuntu I just have a black screen, even In recovery mode. Can someone help me please?
[10:22] <alius> My computer does not want to suspend when I click on the suspend button, instead it simply disconnect from the current sussion and send me back to the log screen. Also I noticed that the computer took much longer time to reboot (the kubuntu screen last at least  minute until the computer finnaly shuts down. Yesterday i made the upgrade of the cuda and cudadrivers nvidia packages may be it was a mistake. Do you know what to do to get
[10:22] <alius> back the suspend functionnality or any idea on that behavior ?
[10:23] <alius> thanks
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 shargen@shargen-Vostro-3558:~$ sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
 [sudo] password for shargen:
 Hit:1 http://deb.xanmod.org releases InRelease
 Hit:2 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute InRelease
 Hit:3 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-updates InRelease
 Hit:4 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-backports InRelease
 Hit:5 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security InRelease
 Reading package lists... Done
 E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
 E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
[14:29] <mybalzitch> use a pastebin service
 can someone help me with this?
[14:32] <alkisg> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:32] <alkisg> The second command after && also needs "sudo"
 oh (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> The second command after && also needs "sudo")
 ok ok
[19:25] <user|49> Hi! I'm Will
[19:26] <user|49> How can I upgrade Kubuntu 20.04 to latest version kubuntu.
[19:59] <mybalzitch> oh they left
[21:12] <Mekaneck> mybalzitch: yep
[21:12] <Mekaneck> and people should search more before asking imho
[21:58] <mybalzitch> that's asking a lot
[22:19] <Mekaneck> mybalzitch: what's asking a lot, that they have to search the answers for simple questions befor asking?
[22:20] <Mekaneck> if they simply search on how to upgrade the should have found it right away, first hit on google
[22:26] <mybalzitch> yup.
[23:17] <Guest46> hello
[23:17] <Guest46> I need some help real quick
[23:18] <genii> !ask
[23:20] <oerheks> :-)
[23:20] <oerheks> real .. quick ..
[23:21] <Guest46> Please dont be a typical linux pompous prick. I am typing out my question right now
[23:24] <Guest46> I am using VMware. I have downloaded Kubuntu for the OS. I am in class and beginning linux full-depth for the first time. I am excited to try out linux and familiarize myself with the gui and cli. Here's my issue. I started the download, i have a verified checksum. The OS is just showing the desktop with no apps and clicking does not help
[23:28] <Guest46> I have Parrot Security and Ubuntu Server which install and show no signs of issues loading up on the VM
[23:28] <Guest46> ***My host OS is up to date, VMware is up to date.
[23:40] <Guest46> Cool thanks for the help everyone. No wonder the gen pop hates Linux people. It's okay I plan to do something about it so there won't be anymore types like you and instead will replace you all with humble people instead. This is why you have a gen pop that goes to garbage like windows and  mac.


 how to set the apps after open will open on all desktop automatically?
[00:33] <wxl> @ctisme http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Applications
[00:34] <wxl> just use <desktop>all</desktop>
[08:00] <Sabandija> Hi, this channel is in english or spanish?
[08:42] <kc2bez> Sabandija: this channel is English for Spanish join #lubuntu-es
[18:42] <JohnGalt419> I have no idea what I'm doing LOL
[18:43] <JohnGalt419> I feel like I'm in an AOL chat room again
[22:38] <Raju> hi
[22:39] <Raju> i am getting error during installation of lubantu 19.04
[22:39] <Raju> Boost.Python error in job "bootloader".
[22:39] <Raju> can anyone help
[22:42] <kc2bez> Raju: Can you post a screenshot or pastebin the error?
[22:49] <Raju> ok
[22:57] <Raju> PFA
[23:00] <Raju> i am not able to upload imge
[23:01] <kc2bez> Ok, can you give more of the text?
[23:01] <Raju> Boost.Python error in job "bootloader".Command 'grub-install --target=i386-pc --recheck --force /dev/mmcblk0' returned non-zero exit status 1.Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: error: cannot read `/dev/mmcblk0': Input/output error.Traceback:File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/bootloader/main.py", line 444, in run
[23:01] <Raju> prepare_bootloader(fw_type)  File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/bootloader/main.py", line 411, in prepare_bootloader    install_grub(efi_directory, fw_type)  File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/bootloader/main.py", line 328, in install_grub    boot_loader["installPath"]])  File "<string>", line 5, in <module>
[23:02] <Raju> earlier i was running win7
[23:10] <tomreyn> Raju: are you intentionally installing to an SD card?
[23:11] <kc2bez> Raju: If you are,  you need to unmount it before you start the installer.
[23:11] <Raju> no i would like to install on internal hdd
[23:12] <tomreyn> is there an sd card inserted?
[23:12] <Raju> yes
[23:12] <tomreyn> it will have been overwritten by now, i'm afraid
[23:13] <tomreyn> unmount it using a file browser, then eject it, then reboot and restart the installation, making sure the correct target device is selected.
[23:14] <Raju> ok
[23:14] <Raju> i will try
[23:14] <Raju> thanks


[00:01] <ronnoc> Riddell: Hi Jonathan. Is there activity in the Kubuntu Testers group on Launchpad? Also, are tehre any coordinated effors ongoing with that group? Any way I can help? Thanks in advance.
[00:03] <Riddell> ronnoc: not currently
[00:03] <Riddell> I think it was a hope to make a irc channel where people would hang around waiting for things to be tested
[00:03] <Riddell> but mostly that's just like hanging around here :)
[00:04] <ronnoc> Riddell: Oh. Well I like breaking shiny new things. lol. Maybe it could be used for very specific testing? Telepathy comes to mind, for example.
[00:05] <ronnoc> kind of like how there are coordinated bug days. I dunno - thinking out loud a bit.
[00:05] <Riddell> oh we need testers, the question is how to keep track of where to find them and how to keep them reliable enough to be useful
[00:05] <yofel> I would keep it here, I mean, even #kubuntu-bugs is unused even if it's there
[00:06] <Riddell> I don't think a new irc channel is the best way to do that, maybe a bot that can do a testers ping
[00:06] <Darkwing> kubutestbot?
[00:06] <ronnoc> well it could also be used as a mailnig list for specific ppa / build / testing purposes
[00:06] <Darkwing> :P:P
[00:07] <ronnoc> Darkwing: exactly
[00:07] <Riddell> a message in kubotu would be easy to do
[00:07] <Riddell> I wonder who's incharge of kubotu
[00:07] <Darkwing> I thought logger was
[00:07] <Riddell> might be
[00:08] <Darkwing> I seem to remember talking to him about it being a ruby bot
[00:08] <Darkwing> and I started scoffing
[00:09] <Riddell> ideally it would take the irc nicks for the people in the group and ping them
[00:09] <Darkwing> have a trigger like !testing
[00:10] <Darkwing> and !testing would ping those ppl
[00:10] <Darkwing> !ops
[00:10] <Darkwing> Much like that.
[00:10] <Darkwing> Sorry guys for the bad ping
[00:10] <Riddell> gosh some of those ops are oldies
[00:10] <ronnoc> from a dev perspective, there might be some merit to testing specific things heading into a such a LTS release. Releasing alpha's / beta's are good too, but I would think sometimes a more targeted set of parameters might be a good thing.
[00:11] <ronnoc> but you guys would know better than I :)
[00:12] <Riddell> sorry I need to sleep, maybe Darkwing can e-mail apachelogger to get it added to kubotu
[00:12] <Darkwing> Who do we want it to ping?
[00:12]  * Darkwing give Riddell a hug
[00:12] <Darkwing> How you feeling anyway Riddell?
[00:12] <Riddell> well ideally kubuntu-testing but that's hassle so it could just be manual for now
[00:13] <ronnoc> well as I stated, if I can help and there's a decided need, ping me here or via LP or whatever's easier. in the meantime, good sleep to you!
[02:44] <apachelogger> jussi: does ubottu have codez to build list-of-people-from-launchpad-team-mapped-to-irc
[02:44] <apachelogger> WRT what jr wanted earlier for testing ping
[02:45] <Darkwing> Hey apachelogger
[02:46] <apachelogger> lo Darkwing
[02:46] <Darkwing> Hows life mate?
[02:51] <apachelogger> really weird, I am having all sorts of sleep issues :O
[02:52] <apachelogger> hence I am up at 4am local time
[02:53] <Darkwing> :/
[03:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-dev_4%3a4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[03:18] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.kmix.control.xml', which is also in package kmix 4:4.7.2-0ubuntu1
[04:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: some? (re: gosh some of those ops are oldies)
[09:14] <fabo> Riddell: could you upload Qt 4.8.0 to ppa for testing/feedback?
[09:18] <Riddell> fabo: which ppa?
[09:18] <Riddell> isn't it already in yours?
[09:26] <Riddell> jussi and sari had a healthy daughter an hour ago
[09:29] <Riddell> fabo: clearing out kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[09:29] <pangolin> yay jussi!
[09:34] <fabo> Riddell: yes, I was thinking to a kubuntu ppa
[09:35] <fabo> congrats jussi/sari :)
[09:37] <fabo> Riddell: at least, worksforme ;) I've upgraded from my ppa and don't see any obvious issues
[09:38] <fabo> Riddell: about bug 911733, I would like to have some feedback from upstream on the patch before pulling into the packages
[09:38] <Riddell> fabo: is there an accompanying qtwebkit update to package?
[09:39] <fabo> Riddell: 2.2.1 is available but not needed, it contains minor changes (mostly for mac)
[09:39] <fabo> I can make it available if you want
[09:44] <Riddell> fabo: it would be good to have a known version number but don't let it take up your valuable time
[09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde-config-grub2 appears to need a rebuild in oneiric
[09:44] <apachelogger> kcmshell4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_grub2.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Magick9CoderInfoC1ERKS0_
[09:44] <apachelogger> when trying to 'create' a wallpaper
[09:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: for 4.7.97?
[09:45] <apachelogger> nah, seems to be magick binary incompatibility
[09:45] <apachelogger> or so google says ^^
[09:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: so needs a SRU?
[09:45] <apachelogger> probably
[09:45] <apachelogger> I am rebuilding locally right now
[09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: yep, SRU rebuild needed :)
[09:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what do you think about switching our bootsplash to something closer to the ksplash screen?
[09:51] <apachelogger> IMHO with the new artwork of 4.8 our splash doesn't quite keep up
[09:51] <apachelogger> in terms of sexyness
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: the usplash one?
[09:53] <Riddell> using lots of colours and gradients in that is risky because some computers can't do them at that stage
[09:53] <Riddell> but testing would be interesting
[09:54] <apachelogger> well, it is grey, so that should be fine, especially since those drivers that do dkms will likely also be able to paint a background
[09:54] <apachelogger> though that is a wild assumption
[10:05] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4
[10:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: how large is that? (I'm on a limited connection)
[10:13] <apachelogger> 40 or so
[10:14] <Riddell> sorry too large
[10:17] <Riddell> http://www.kereltis.com/2012/01/07/my-thoughts-on-kubuntu-11-10/ first complaint is not enough wallpapers :)
[10:19] <Tm_T> by default, meaning kdewallpapers is missing
[10:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: it's always good if one can complain mostly on that (:
[10:23] <apachelogger> it means one is fortunate enough to not have a screen resolution so that the wallpaper and splash looks odd because we only ship one resolution of those :P
[10:26] <Tm_T> aww
[11:41] <mikecb> That's creepy. I'm using the same wallpaper as that link...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: congrats!!!
[13:22] <Riddell> fregl, ScottK if qt_accessibility=1 is required should we just set that for all sessions?
[13:26] <fregl> Riddell: I think so. Please test and bug me if it doesn't play nice. I will meet with the gnome a11y people next week, so I can figure out things if we still have problem.
[13:26] <fregl> +s
[13:28] <fregl> Riddell: I tried to be careful so that the plugin is completely inactive unless gnome a11y was enabled. when gnome a11y is enabled, then it should still do very little, except when screen reader/accerciser are running. but I haven't tested the whole thing much.
[13:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Dunno. I was just fixing the W-I tracker error.
[13:48] <Riddell> mm, skeat wants me to look at the WIs this week to see if we should postpone some, which is probably a good idea, just yet another thing for my todo
[14:08] <Quintasan_> jussi: \o/ gratz!
[14:10] <fabo> Riddell: I don't want to complain but it's a mess in the kubuntu blueprints/WI ;)
[14:10] <fabo> they aren't even approved or reflect current status
[14:11] <Riddell> yes, mostly my fault I fear
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I  blame the French.
[14:13] <ScottK> (specifically the one that crashed into you)
[14:13] <fabo> hehe :)
[14:14] <Riddell> :)
[14:15] <fabo> I remember a bridge where only one car can pass, no priorities, kind of fifo
[14:15] <fabo> in martinique
[14:15] <fabo> it was fun (and dangerous) to drive there
[14:16] <fabo> after a week, you used to drive like them... you just need to survive the week
[14:22] <Riddell> the trouble is that driving like them doesn't make it any safer :)
[14:28] <fabo> Riddell: qtwebkit 2.2.1 uploaded to my ppa, ready to consume
[14:41] <fabo> yofel_: ping
[16:41] <allee> Booting todays precise CD: there not 'Install icon' in the folderview, not something found when searching for 'install' in k-menu.
[16:42] <Riddell> allee: is ubiquity-kde available as a command?
[16:44] <Riddell> roar, ec2 machine killed the disk I was doing calligra on
[16:44] <allee> Riddell: no.  It also booted straight into the kde desktop. No selection of 'try' and 'install'.  but this was maybe a timeout issue
[16:45] <Riddell> allee: is ubiquity-frontend-kde installed?
[16:47] <allee> Riddell: no    /me installs it ...
[16:49] <allee> Riddell: now (only) ubiquity and ubiquity-dm is in path
[16:49] <allee> dpkg -L ubiquity-frontend-kde   show nothing is installed into /usr/*bin/
[16:51] <allee> starting ubiquity from cmd line and the -kde version is started
[16:51] <Riddell> yes that's normal
[16:52] <Riddell> so sounds like there's a problem with the cd builds
[16:52] <Riddell> check ubuntu desktop cd manifest
[16:59] <debfx> didrocks: could you test Qt 4.8 from https://launchpad.net/~fboudra/+archive/qt/+packages so we can upload it sometime soon
[17:06] <Riddell> ug PPAs not started after 6 hours and might start in 9 hours
[17:07] <ts2> there is a rather massive PPA queue: https://launchpad.net/builders
[18:09] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:10] <Riddell> hi from all
[18:17] <schnelle> Riddell: is new nm widget from fabo's ppa going to be available for oneiric through beta ppa? or it is precise only?
[18:18] <schnelle> i'm seeing artifacts in nm widget all the time since upgrade tu rc2 in oneiric
[18:23] <Riddell> schnelle: no plans for oneiric yet, if you think it should be give good reasons and offer to help :)
[18:25] <Riddell> nice new KDE user, seems he doesn't like ubuntu for its six month release, wonder if he knows we do kde updates
[18:25] <Riddell> http://www.davidrevoy.com/index.php?article110/kubuntu-11-10-for-digital-painting
[18:27] <schnelle> Riddell: I have only "visual" reason: broken buttons : http://www.dodaj.rs/f/21/RR/3irNejQ2/snapshot2.png
[18:27] <schnelle> nothing else :)
[18:28] <schnelle> and can you point me to some good packagin wiki. I want to learn packaging in my spare time :)
[18:28] <schnelle> and to help, offcorse
[18:28] <schnelle> :)
[18:30] <Riddell> nice comments too "Kubuntu simply *rocks* for desktop use."
[18:30] <Riddell> schnelle: well that buttons aren't fixed, needs a new upstream release for that
[18:31] <Riddell> schnelle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide but it might be a bit out of date (and the new one is about using UDD which isn't really ready)
[18:32] <Riddell> there's various debian ones and of course debian policy is the formal definition spec (not a tutorial)
[18:33] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted might have more information
[18:33] <Riddell> but it might work best one to one, get me at a good time and I can guide you through it
[18:34] <Riddell> or Darkwing can, we gave him a tutorial at UDS :)
[18:34] <Riddell> so he knows all about it
[18:34] <schnelle> Riddell: ok thanks. "Learn to package and help Kubuntu guys" is on my todo list :)
[18:37] <Riddell> great!
[18:38] <schnelle> Riddell: and i have one proposal for next lts. muon constantly fails to some install external deb files (kernel debs, some icon themes form kde look etc. gdebi-kde doesn't have no problem installing the same debs.
[18:38] <schnelle> so if muon doesn't get fixed in time
[18:38] <schnelle> i think revreting to gdebi-kde is better option for next lts
[18:39] <Riddell> reported it to jonathan thomas?
[18:39] <Riddell> he's the muon dude and is usually responsive
[18:39] <schnelle> yes on bugs.kde but no response from him yet
[18:40] <Riddell> he doesn't seem to be around much these days, busy with real life I guess
[18:40] <schnelle> there is big thread on kubuntuforums with problems with muon
[18:40] <schnelle> and in that thread are mostly very experiented kubuntu users
[18:41] <schnelle> I will in inform you if these bugs doesn't get fixed soon
[18:42] <schnelle> i mean muon package manager works, updater works, but muon for installing external deb files failes very often
[18:43] <schnelle> that was gdebi-kde's job till oneiric
[18:44] <Riddell> yeah keep an eye on it
[18:46]  * Riddell out
[19:58]  * jussi01 waves from the hospital
[20:04] <ScottK> jussi01: Waving from the hospital on IRC probably shouldn't be your priority at the moment ...
[20:05] <BarkingFish> ??? :I
[20:05] <BarkingFish> You can access IRC in a hospital???
[20:05] <ScottK> His wife is having or just had a baby.
[20:06] <ScottK> Depends on the hospital.
[20:06] <BarkingFish> *squeeeeeeee*
[20:06] <BarkingFish> omg!!!
[20:08] <BarkingFish> ScottK: While I think about it, any news on the NM and nm-applet in 4.7.4 or for pangolin?  I recall mentioning the update to the code from Lamarque a week or three back, just wonder if you have anyone working on it yet
[20:10] <ScottK> Dunno.
[20:11] <ScottK> I've been working on getting 4.7.4 ready for upload to oneiric-proposed.
[20:12] <BarkingFish> well 4.7.4 is still working well here, no drama to mention yet.
[20:14] <jussi01> ScottK: its late, both mum and daughter are sleeping :)
[20:34] <rbelem> jussi01, congrats :-D
[20:34] <tazz> congrats jussi01
[21:31] <bambee> jussi01: w00t, congrz
[21:31] <bambee> congrats*
[21:35] <yofel_> congratulations jussi01 :D
[21:35] <Riddell> jussi01: does the bairn have a facebook page yet? :)
[21:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Facebook requires you to be at least 13.
[21:46] <Riddell> I'm sure they rule gets broken a lot
[21:50] <Riddell> BarkingFish: new version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanagement
[21:51] <BarkingFish> :D
[21:53] <ScottK> Riddell: No doubt.
[21:58] <BarkingFish> right guys, back in a tick, gotta reboot.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> Riddell!!!    I'm utterly speechless.
[22:04] <BarkingFish> The new version of the plasma nm widget for Pangolin is not only working on Ocelot, it's restored all the audio notifications with network manager, I have full control over all of my wifi interfaces too.
[22:05] <BarkingFish> I can guarantee you the i386 version is functioning cleanly from the word Go.
[22:10]  * ScottK doesn't consider the lack of networking related audio notifications a bug ...
[22:11] <BarkingFish> ScottK: it is when your vision isn't great
[22:11] <ScottK> Good point.
[22:11] <BarkingFish> and you can't change the text size of the visual notifications :)
[22:13] <BarkingFish> It was the only one of the notifications which failed to work, ScottK - I spoke with Lamarque about it a few months back, and he explained that he'd changed the settings somewhere since the nm was producing audio notifications before the desktop had even started up.
[22:13] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[22:13] <BarkingFish> now it's back to rights, the notifications start after the nm applet has kicked in, and you get the sounds only when the event happens
[22:15] <Riddell> BarkingFish: ah interesting, might be good to have it backported to the beta PPA then
[22:16] <BarkingFish> yeah, definitely
[22:18] <BarkingFish> i did have the problem with the old nm widget that whatever my USB wifi interface connected to, the internal one would see as the "only" available network
[22:18] <BarkingFish> that's now running correctly too, so that both interfaces are working independently of each other
[22:32] <BarkingFish> Guys, anyone know where the fix for the plasma desktop crashes was?  I can't remember whether there were repairs to 4.7.3 or whether it was fixed when I upgraded to 4.7.4...
[22:32] <ScottK> There's some in 4.7.4.
[22:33] <BarkingFish> Right, cause I have a user in #kubuntu who is dealing with this in 4.7.3, wise to advise him to try to upgrade to 4.7.4?
[22:33] <yofel> BarkingFish: it was fixed in 4.7.4, I remember you saying 4.7.3 being broken
[22:34] <BarkingFish> yeah, which pool was it put in, was it the oneiric-proposed, or kde's ppa?
[22:35] <Riddell> BarkingFish: see topic
[22:35] <BarkingFish> sorry, missed that :)
[22:35] <BarkingFish> Thanks
[22:36] <BarkingFish> so that'd be oneiric-updates universe?
[22:36] <BarkingFish> or multiverse?
[22:37] <Riddell> "4.7.4 in updates PPA for testing in oneiric" ~kubuntu-ppa updates PPA
[22:39] <BarkingFish> ok, got it.  Sorry if I seem a bit thick, been feeling grotty all day :(
[22:40] <BarkingFish> when I finish up, I think i might just head out to bed for the night
[22:41] <Riddell> I fear I'm already at that stage
[22:43] <BarkingFish> yeah... Normally I don't go to bed much before midnight unless I'm feeling really crud - 2am or so if I'm ok.
[22:44] <BarkingFish> It's now 10.43pm and I want to curl up and sleep till christmas. Next year.
[22:44] <Riddell> radio4extra is your friend
[22:45] <BarkingFish> nah, I listen to the BBC World Service :)
[22:45] <BarkingFish> I like radio 4, but killing Radio 7 was a travesty
[22:46] <BarkingFish> The BBC should have been shot, stabbed, barbecued, cut up into small pieces, fried and then *really* hurt.
[22:47] <Riddell> I agree,  except for the being violent bit of course
[22:47] <BarkingFish> :)
[23:51] <Saviq> hey all, anyone seen QtQuick 3D in a PPA somewhere?


[00:07] <Alanis> Hello, can anyone help me troubleshoot why my sound and IM icons are not available from my top menu bar?
[00:10] <bordy> eyo
[00:26] <Alanis> Hey I'm trying to enter the Ubuntu chat room but it wont let me me
[00:26] <Alanis> although I have registered with nickserv
[00:28] <Alanis> I'm trying to get by Sound tray and IM icons to show on my top bar on my desktop. For some reason is now gone.


[12:04] <niemeyer> Curious:
[12:04] <niemeyer> >>> commands.getstatusoutput("yes | read null")
[12:04] <niemeyer> (0, 'yes: standard output: Broken pipe\nyes: write error')
[12:12] <niemeyer> >>> os.system("yes | read any")
[12:12] <niemeyer> yes: standard output: Broken pipe
[12:12] <niemeyer> yes: write error
[12:12] <niemeyer> :)
[12:12] <niemeyer> "yes" seems to be ill behaved
[12:14] <mpt> kiko: I've sent the LPIntegration diff to salgado, but I did that work in my launchpad--devel--0. Is it ok to land it in rocketfuel as well when I fix my next trivial bug?
[12:14] <sabdfl> dudes
[12:14] <sabdfl> announce: LaunchpadHackerGotchi!
[12:14] <sabdfl> landing soon on a branch near you
[12:14] <sabdfl> also: TeamAndPersonalEmblems
[12:15] <mpt> cool
[12:15] <sabdfl> question - should we make setting a team emblem an admin thing?
[12:16] <mpt> LaunchpadBranding step 2
[12:16] <sabdfl> so that we can enforce trademarks?
[12:16] <sabdfl> so people don't create a random team and put the firefox logo on it?
[12:16] <sabdfl> i think that would be important
[12:16] <mpt> sabdfl: What's the alternative?
[12:16] <sabdfl> we'll let people set their own hackergotchi
[12:16] <mpt> Let any member change a team's icon?
[12:16] <cprov> sabdfl: uhm ... you can't control ALL team, let them play with it
[12:16] <sabdfl> mpt: yes
[12:17] <sabdfl> they can play with their hackergotchi
[12:17] <sabdfl> it only shows on their home page
[12:17] <sabdfl> but emblems, i think those are special
[12:17] <mpt> Can any member of a team change anything else about a team, e.g. name/summary/description?
[12:17] <mpt> If not, it would make sense for team icon to be team-admin-only, like the rest of the data
[12:17] <sabdfl> mpt: no, only team owner or admins
[12:18] <sabdfl> mpt: the emblems are like badges of honour
[12:18] <sabdfl> they show up on your details portlet - all the emblems of your teams
[12:18] <sabdfl> so if you are MOTU, you will get a badge
[12:18] <sabdfl> it would reduce the value of that if people could fake it
[12:18] <sabdfl> i'll make it admins only initially
[12:18] <sabdfl> later we can workflow it, so people request it, we just approve approve approve decline
[12:19] <mpt> "we" as in Launchpad admins?
[12:23] <sabdfl> yes
[12:37] <sabdfl> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MarkShuttleworthQueue
[12:37] <sabdfl> bradb, mpt: ^
[12:44] <bradb> sabdfl: cool. btw, any reason why we have "Given name:" and "Family name:" in the details portlet?
[12:45] <bradb> heck, even "Name:" and "Display name:" seem a bit unnecessary.
[12:47] <sabdfl> bradb: just for completeness. that portlet might be on, for example, a branch page some day
[12:47] <bradb> I'm also not too worried about the five different emails they've confirmed in the system either. Just the preferred email address in details portlet would be nice, IMHO.
[12:47] <bradb> (assuming we're /that/ confident about being able to display emails without them being harvester friendly)
[12:49] <bradb> sabdfl: I don't quite understand. What does a branch page have to do with putting "Given name:" and "Family name:" into the person's details portlet?
[12:51] <bradb> I notice that there are five menu links to spec-related things in the actions portlet too, yet the vast majority of LP users will probably not use specs. I wonder if we can save that for people who are interested enough to click the "Specs" tab?
[12:52] <sabdfl> bradb: errr. ed zachary
[12:52] <sabdfl> that's sort of what MenuSystemDelivery is all about ;-)
[12:53] <sabdfl> the whole point is to show the app menu items only when you are in the facet. but since we don't have that, i'm loading every view into the actions portlet, and i would like you to do the same
[12:54] <sabdfl> ddaa will shortly land another 4 items in there - all the kinds of branch views you might want
[12:54] <sabdfl> make sense?
[12:54] <bradb> right, ok, makes sense
[12:54] <sabdfl> preferred email in details portlet is a great idea
[12:54] <sabdfl> i'll DOIT
[12:55] <bradb> sweet
[12:58] <sabdfl> i've DUNNIT
[12:59] <sabdfl> only visible if you are logged in
[12:59] <bradb> the sab strikes again
[12:59] <sabdfl> i'm lovin mpt's highlighted class
[12:59] <bradb> seriously though, are we going to leave "Given name:" and "Family name:" in that portlet? that feels pretty robotic to me.
[01:00] <bradb> sabdfl: me too; used that for task-highlighting
[01:00] <sabdfl> different one
[01:00] <sabdfl> the one you're using, is it a slightly orange border?
[01:00] <bradb> yes
[01:00] <sabdfl> i made that one up
[01:00] <bradb> ah
[01:00] <sabdfl> this one is for chunks in the main doby of the page
[01:00] <sabdfl> body, even
[01:00] <bradb> i stole it from +hctstatus
[01:01] <sabdfl> in the screenshot, the bit with the name and hackergotchi is class="highlighted"
[01:01] <sabdfl> i think the other one is class="highlight", which i did for hctstatus, yes
[01:01] <sabdfl> it has a problem on the top row, though, don't you think?
[01:01] <mpt> bradb: Yes, having someone's name printed five times in the same corner of the same page is a little unfortunate
[01:01] <bradb> mpt: :)
[01:01] <sabdfl> it sort of obscures the bottom of the thead
[01:01] <sabdfl> oh, ok
[01:02] <mpt> well, three times for the full name, two for the Launchpad ID
[01:06] <bradb> sabdfl: top row...are you referring to the slight misalignment between the top of the portlets and the "highlighted" bit, or something else?
[01:07] <sabdfl> bradb: iirc, i thought the highlighted row was overlapping too much with the top row
[01:07] <sabdfl> a subtle effect
[01:07] <bradb> ah
[01:07] <sabdfl> the border of the thead was covering the orange, or the other way around, i don't recall
[01:08] <bradb> sabdfl: here's another idea for the HG
[01:08] <bradb> sabdfl: put the person's name in smaller bold (or whatever) letters under the image and float: left that chunk so that the bio text wraps nicely around.
[01:09] <sabdfl> bradb: yes, that's nice
[01:10] <bradb> class="hackergotchi"! :)
[01:10] <sabdfl> but tricky :-/
[01:10] <sabdfl> at the moment i'm using fmt/text-to-html for the personal home page text
[01:10] <sabdfl> i'd really like to get /fmt:moin
[01:10] <sabdfl> stevea says we can doit
[01:11] <sabdfl> but for the moment i'm using /fmt:text-to-html
[01:11] <sabdfl> and the bummer is, it inserts
 and

[01:11] <sabdfl> so i can't easily work it
[01:12] <bradb> fmt:moin would be cool. dead simple if we have code inside the lp tree that takes a string of wiki text and returns the HTML
[01:13] <sabdfl> moin makes that quite easy, apparently
[01:13] <sabdfl> we lose the fancy macros etc
[01:17] <bradb> sabdfl: fwiw, i'm pretty sure you can float: left the img on that page even if it's outside the

, and the text will still wrap nicely around the right and bottom edges of it
[01:18] <bradb> (i'd only be *really* sure if i had the HTML/CSS in front of me to tweak, but bazzing would take too long.)
[01:19] <sabdfl> bradb: dude, good call!
[01:21] <niemeyer> Heh
[01:21] <niemeyer> >>> signal.signal(signal.SIGPIPE, signal.SIG_DFL)
[01:21] <niemeyer> >>> os.system("yes | read any")
[01:21] <niemeyer> >>> signal.signal(signal.SIGPIPE, signal.SIG_IGN)
[01:21] <niemeyer> >>> os.system("yes | read any")
[01:21] <niemeyer> yes: standard output: Broken pipe
[01:21] <niemeyer> yes: write error
[01:22] <bradb> sabdfl: did you get it to work? with the browsername in a smaller font underneath the img too?
[01:23] <niemeyer> There are three pages of google results referring to that "yes" bug, and all of them seem to be from python programs.
[01:26] <sabdfl> bradb: browsername beneath the image?
[01:27] <bradb> sabdfl: i.e., the image:
[01:27] <bradb> xxxx
[01:27] <bradb> xxxx
[01:27] <bradb> xxxx
[01:27] <bradb> Sample Person
[01:27] <bradb> and the text wrapped around that chunk
[01:28] <sabdfl> hard for me to visualise
[01:28] <sabdfl> i've taken the header out, since its already at the top of the page
[01:28] <sabdfl> now it's just the image, with the page wrapped around that
[01:28] <bradb> ah, ok, no worries then
[01:28] <bradb> cool
[01:28] <sabdfl> it looked weird at first, because the float: left actually takes it outside the div if there is no text
[01:29] <sabdfl> so i put placeholder text in for that case
[01:31] <mpt> sabdfl: http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
[01:31] <bradb> took it outside the div? hm, maybe mpt would know more
[01:31] <bradb> there we go
[01:31] <bradb> :)
[01:46] <sabdfl> mpt: that's pretty cool. thanks
[01:46] <sabdfl> hey camilotelles
[01:46] <kiko> wow
[01:48] <camilotelles> hey sabdfl
[01:49] <Mez> hmm speaking of hackergotchi#s someone offered to make me one... havent heard back from them since... ah well
[02:36] <camilotelles> sabdfl: did you talked with elizabeth?
[02:37] <sabdfl> camilotelles: yes! thanks for putting us in contact
[02:37] <camilotelles> oh, great!
[02:38] <camilotelles> sabdfl: she is lecturing in the university that she pos graduated at russia.
[02:43] <sabdfl> hope to meet her some day
[02:43] <sabdfl> but... for now, it's time for bed
[02:47] <mpt>  must...leave...office...before...10pm...
[02:47] <mpt> later all
[02:49] <sabdfl> night mpt
[02:49] <sabdfl> kiko: please say night, and thanks, to mpt for me
[02:49] <sabdfl> i'm crashing too
[02:49] <kiko> will do
[02:49] <kiko> you take it easy
[02:49] <kiko> no rest for the wicked!
[02:49] <sabdfl> great work everyone - breezy will be extra hot with all this LP love
[02:49] <kiko> LP love is our middle name
[02:49] <sabdfl> :-)
[02:50] <kiko> inbox love however
[02:50] <kiko> can I hire somebody to read my inbox?
[02:50] <kiko> oh!
[02:50] <kiko> sabdfl?
[02:50] <sabdfl> yes?
[02:50] <kiko> do we have artwork for the new CDs?
[02:50] <sabdfl> we do
[02:50] <sabdfl> we just don't have desktop artwork
[02:51] <kiko> is it up somewhere where I can send to the company in so paulo?
[02:51] <camilotelles> sabdfl: i need to talk about ubuntu artwork.
[02:51] <sabdfl> kiko: not yet, and silbs just left on holiday
[02:51] <Mez> kiko/sabdfl - if you have an art team now - is ubuntu-calendar going to make a comeback?
[02:51] <sabdfl> Mez: well, i would like it to
[02:51] <kiko> Mez, do you know any hot babes?
[02:51] <sabdfl> but i've not followed it up. suggestions?
[02:51] <Mez> why did it go in the first place?
[02:52] <Mez> kiko: yes, I go out with one :D
[02:52] <kiko> sabdfl, oh, hmmm. okay, I'll manage.
[02:52] <kiko> Mez, is she up for being an ubuntu calendar babe?
[02:52] <sabdfl> it's a 2-cd set
[02:52] <camilotelles> sabdfl: is it ok to put the ubuntu logo in the "preview ubuntu linux" artwork? somethink like "ubuntu based"? there is any rules about that?
[02:52] <sabdfl> cardboard holder
[02:52] <kiko> that's human beings for you.
[02:52] <sabdfl> if you have a hoary cd, identical
[02:52] <kiko> yep.
[02:52] <Mez> kiko: maybe .... I'll ask.... but... er... probably :D
[02:52] <kiko> I've sent them hoary and warty CDs through mail
[02:52] <Mez> as long as it's artistic
[02:52] <sabdfl> camilotelles: yes, that's ok
[02:52] <sabdfl> kiko: ok, that should be plenty for them
[02:53] <sabdfl> breezy+1 will probably drop to single cd
[02:53] <kiko> if the UbuntuExpress people get their acts together!
[02:54] <camilotelles> kiko: the linux preview will ship with the UE-shellanduglyhackthatworks from surak.
[02:54] <kiko> heh
[02:55] <sabdfl> kiko: did you just trivial a branch with *20* patches in one go?
[02:55] <sabdfl> trivial-man ;-)
[02:56] <kiko> ME?
[02:56] <sabdfl> i can almost hear you whistling from here
[02:57] <kiko> well
[02:57] <kiko> all I did was
[02:58] <kiko> - fix pages that were broken
[02:58] <kiko> - add pagetests
[02:58] <kiko> - add pagetitles
[02:58] <sabdfl> np
[02:58] <kiko> - add a script to test the templates
[02:58] <kiko> my god
[02:58] <sabdfl> just teasing
[02:58] <kiko> that has to be trivial
[02:59] <kiko> what's a swedish potato? a turnip?
[02:59] <sabdfl> sounds more like a cold shower the morning after curry.
[03:00] <niemeyer> kiko: Something like a potato in pieces pressed with something nice within..
[03:00] <kiko> hmmm. pressed?
[03:00] <kiko> how interesting
[03:00] <sabdfl> so how does xx-notfound-traversals work?
[03:01] <kiko> sabdfl, just add water. uhm, well, s/water/a path to a page
[03:01] <sabdfl> niemeyer: lots of cheese and cream? sounds like something they do in switzerland, in the alps
[03:01] <kiko> it has a function that will load that page and verify it's output
[03:01] <kiko> the HTTP status
[03:01] <sabdfl> ok, so 200
[03:01] <sabdfl> and auth?
[03:02] <niemeyer> sabdfl: Yes! Provolone cheese (is it provolone in english as well?)
[03:02] <sabdfl> i guess so.
[03:02] <kiko> I added an auth argument and it submits basic auth. just designed for testing traversals.
[03:02] <sabdfl> its like a skiing tradition. kiko knows it well. there are pictures
[03:02] <kiko> there's also a check_not_found()
[03:02] <kiko> we're all artwork tonight
[03:02] <sabdfl> ok. committed. mirrored. time for a beer.
[03:02] <kiko> this is used to try to ensure we're 404ing stuff we should
[03:03] <kiko> sabdfl, how's that morning run?
[03:03] <sabdfl> raising a cold one to the LP warriors
[03:03] <sabdfl> *cough* splutter *choke*
[03:03] <kiko> whenever you mention beer I will ask about the morning run!11!
[03:03] <sabdfl> kiko: whenever you bring Fabia I will PIE you!
[03:03] <sabdfl> or we could just not START the nuclear war
[03:04] <kiko> just try me
[03:04] <kiko> just TRY
[03:04] <sabdfl> thanks, but i'll leave that to Fabia
[03:04] <kiko> terrible
[03:05] <kiko> at least she doesn't call me embarassing nicknames
[03:05] <kiko> in the end, we all pay our dues!
[03:05] <sabdfl> err. nicknames like what?
[03:06] <kiko> -rw-r--r--   1 kiko warthogs 107726416 Sep 10 01:09 rosetta-breezy-2005-09-09.tar.gz
[03:06] <kiko> sparkles?
[03:06] <sabdfl> and speaking of nicknames, how are squeak and itchy?
[03:06] <kiko> itchy's in LA
[03:06] <kiko> visiting a friend up there
[03:06] <sabdfl> LA makes me itchy too
[03:07] <kiko> it does it to all of us. it's the smog. squeak's graduation was 2 weeks ago, and now she's working full-time doing interior design for an office run by a woman on anti-depressive medication
[03:07] <kiko> the graduation was a black-tie issue but I got in with a biking shirt and there were drag queens.
[03:09] <sabdfl> kiko tells all
[03:09] <sabdfl> "what i did with my weekend"
[03:09] <kiko> I bought a tandem!
[03:10] <sabdfl> so. night. really. wishing you happy mountain trails this weekend!
[03:22] <kiko> no stub the stud
[03:22] <kiko> tsk tsk
[03:23] <elmo> yeah, how terrible, considering it's a SATURDAY in australia
[03:23] <kiko> hey, it's saturday in the UK too
[03:24] <kiko> and in brazil we work saturdays, so it's not such a big deal to us
[03:24] <kiko> but anyway, reason I'm looking for him was because I wanted some production action today
[03:24] <kiko> and we had arranged yesterday
[03:24] <kiko> he should be on later, anyway
[03:29] <Mez> hmm
[03:33] <kiko-zzz> not disclose them to launchpad users?
[03:33] <Mez> yeah
[03:33] <kiko-zzz> I guess we could do that
[03:33] <kiko-zzz> makes it harder to CC you on bugs
[03:33] <kiko-zzz> or hmm, maybe not.
[03:33] <Mez> lol
[03:34] <Mez> well, not if you're a member
[03:34] <kiko-zzz> oh?
[03:34] <Mez><EMAIL_ADDRESS>-> preferred email address
[03:34] <kiko-zzz> what do you mean?
[03:34] <kiko-zzz> ho-ho
[03:34] <kiko-zzz> we're not providing forwarding yet :)
[03:34] <Mez> o_O
[03:34] <Mez> well, apparently you are
[03:34] <Mez> seeing as someone just sent me an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:35] <kiko-zzz> maybe you're special
[03:35] <kiko-zzz> seriously
[03:35] <kiko-zzz> are you motu?
[03:35] <Mez> yes
[03:36] <kiko-zzz> could be
[03:37] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-09-06.html
[03:37] <Mez> search for @ubuntu.com
[03:37] <Mez> "log me in after resetting my password2
[03:37] <Mez> on the "confirm email" screen
[03:38] <kiko-zzz> right
[03:38] <kiko-zzz> not all launchpad members, I don't imagine?
[03:38] <Mez> no
[03:39] <Mez> Members: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers
[03:41] <kiko-zzz> right
[03:41] <kiko-zzz> anyway
[03:41] <kiko-zzz> night :)
[04:56] <kiko-zzz> salgado, no sign of the stubber
[04:57] <Mez> go to sleep kiko
[05:05] <salgado> kiko-zzz: not yet
[05:09] <niemeyer> Some Mandriva folk removed the mailing list of Smart silently. How nice..
[05:50] <salgado> stub!
[05:51] <salgado> stub: I need you to take a look at this, before I can merge my shipit--1 branchhttps://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileSUesuz.html
[05:51] <salgado> sorry for not asking you before
[05:59] <stub> salgado: Looks fine.
[06:01] <stub> patch-25-23-0.sql
[06:05] <stub> Have you confirmed binarypackagerelease with Kinnison? There is a chance he wants that column NULLable in case he needs to be able to say yes/no/dont know instead of just yes/no
[06:05] <salgado> stub: if you mean binarypackagerelease.essential, then yes, I talked to him
[06:06] <stub> ok. thanks ;)
[06:06] <salgado> IIRC, sourcepackagerelease.essential already have the not null constraint
[06:37] <salgado> go, dilys, go!
[06:38] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>standalone ShipItNG and a lot more new features. r=kiko,stub (patch-2386<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:38] <salgado> thanks darling. ;)
[10:38] <jordi> mdke: pong
[03:57] <SteveA> hi
[05:24] <salgado> lifeless, around?
[08:09] <ondrej> mm all
[08:09] <ondrej> who to bug about adding language-selector to rosetta
[08:09] <ondrej> ?
[10:01] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[trivial]  Fix https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2135. (patch-2387<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:41] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[trivial]   Do not show inactive memberships on a person's page, fix https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1981 and make the tables in tem/+members sortable (patch-2388<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:01] <lifeless> thats trivial? goawsh
[11:11] <jordi> mdke: sorry, I was away by then


[00:01] <valorie> Riddell: were the correct changes made to the spreadsheet in time? I asked, and assumed they were
[00:01] <valorie> in general I never touch spreadsheets because I tend to break them
[00:02] <valorie> if the kubuntu proposals stayed as they were, none would have been chosen since none of us could tell what was intended by the ranking numbers
[00:03] <valorie> sorry to chime in so late, still catching up after being away 4 days
[00:25] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[00:32] <valorie> hello ahoneybun
[00:32] <valorie> sorry, need to prepare to drive down to see my dad now
[00:32] <ahoneybun> guess who is free to fly!
[00:34] <valorie> I always read the backlog, so I know it's you!
[00:34] <valorie> I've sent my wire info, so I'm hoping i can buy tickets soon
[00:41] <ahoneybun> lol
[04:51] <valorie> oh what the hell happened to networking recently -- wired will not connect because of "no secrets" even when I keep re-adding my silly long password
[04:52] <valorie> and of course nothing has improved with my wireless card
[04:52] <Etriaph> Since I added the 5.3 PPA yesterday I've had some pretty odd bugs.
[04:53] <valorie> Etriaph: please *never* advise the use of plasma 5 in anything but vivid
[04:54] <valorie> neon is gone, and the 14.10 PPAs are toxic
[04:54] <Etriaph> valorie: I wasn't so much advising that earlier as denoting what path existed.
[04:54] <Etriaph> valorie: I apologize if that caused you any grief.
[04:55] <valorie> it will cause *them* grief
[04:55] <valorie> I've removed the information everywhere possible
[04:55] <Etriaph> Ah, OK.
[04:56] <valorie> both worked great when we had the cycles to support them
[04:57] <valorie> anyway, just a word to the wise -- otherwise, you give great help to folks, so keep doing that!
[04:57] <valorie> it's always great to see new folks helping out in #kubuntu
[04:57] <Etriaph> Typically if someone asks a question, I'll provide an answer and trust that they know what to do with it  :D
[04:58] <valorie> and thank you for that
[05:01] <Etriaph> I guess I should parse my words when someone is trying to use something that's "experimental"
[05:07] <valorie> it was experimental, then beta, and now released
[05:07] <valorie> I had a few people beg for Plasma 5 on 14.04!
[05:07] <valorie> to which.... wut?
[05:08] <valorie> if you want stable, stick with your LTS
[05:08] <valorie> you can stick with it for 4 more years, after all
[05:11] <Etriaph> Plasma 5, itself, is pretty stable.  More apps on KF5 will help.
[05:12] <Etriaph> With only some of the apps using the new library there's less opportunity to weed out bugs.
[05:17] <valorie> true
[05:18] <valorie> however, i think the devels have been rather strategic
[05:18] <valorie> the most important stuff is ported
[05:18] <valorie> of course I still miss some bits
[05:18] <Etriaph> Dolphin is still KDE4
[05:18] <Etriaph> /cry
[05:19] <Etriaph> I really want to setup my places.  :)
[05:19] <valorie> I'm sure they would welcome your help, Etriaph
[05:21] <Etriaph> I took a look at the code for the version of Dolphin we're running and I couldn't see a problem; sent an email to Mr. Edmunson with some questions but never heard back.
[05:21] <Etriaph> Sho_ suggested I email him.
[05:32] <valorie> damn it, this is BS -- wired connection worked until today's updates
[05:33] <Etriaph> I'm on a wired connection and it's working fine, you on a laptop?
[05:34] <valorie> yes
[05:35] <valorie> my wireless card is dying, so I prefer to use the wired connection, which has always been stable
[05:35] <valorie> but as of today's updates, the password is not only not saved, but not used
[05:35] <valorie> for the wired connection
[05:36] <Etriaph> You have a password for a wired connection?
[05:36] <valorie> there is a password to the router
[05:36] <Etriaph> Ah, roger that.
[05:36] <valorie> no problem putting it in once
[05:37] <valorie> anyway, I'll write to the devel list and see what changed, so I can file a bug
[05:37] <valorie> until then I'll be bouncing in and out from the BNC
[05:37] <valorie> gah
[05:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Google added 23 seconds
[08:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <soee> Riddell: applications are ready for tests ?
[08:22] <soee> i see reds
[08:31] <Riddell> soee: red can be a pretty colour too :)
[08:43] <soee> Riddell: they wotn break anything in system ? :)
[08:46] <Riddell> soee: I've no idea, that's the fun of testing
[08:48] <soee> btw wht is the difference between this 2 packages for thumbs: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/29/snapshot6.png
[08:50]  * Riddell has no idea
[08:51] <soee> Riddell: btw in the testers call was typo, not ppa:kubuntu-pps/next-stage2 but ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-stage2
[08:51] <soee> pps->ppa
[08:53] <Riddell> well spotted
[08:54] <soee> with stage2 ppa apr wants to remove: calligra-libs digikam karbon libkgeomap2 libmarblewidget20
[08:57] <Riddell> that's the sort of testing we need to find out stuff
[08:57] <Riddell> libmarblewidget20 is now libmarblewidget21 so we'll need to recompile calligra
[08:57] <Riddell> and libkgeomap is separate so we'll need to recompile digikam
[08:57] <Riddell> thanks for finding that out :)
[09:12] <Riddell> sgclark: I revived https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas because it seems there's a bunch of bits that need kept track of
[09:13] <Riddell> sgclark: I've listed all the packages that are marked not green or otherwise need to be done
[09:15] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_khangman/
[09:15] <sitter> red
[09:19] <Riddell> I like red
[09:21] <Riddell> fixed
[09:33] <soee> ;)
[09:51] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: maybe you should vote for these people http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/
[09:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I am a big fan of Ubuntu Party, and Michael Tellingers ideas :-)
[09:52] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Will you be voting ?
[09:54] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: of course, registered in Edinburgh South, should I vote for Neil Hay or are his twitter crimes unforgiveable?
[09:55] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Oh the choice of who, and under what reasoning is your priviledge and yours alone
[09:55] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Delighted that you are partaking though
[10:02] <sitter> hm
[10:02] <sitter> Riddell: any error reports about baloo?
[10:02] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_vivid_stable/487/console
[10:02] <sitter> auto upgrade tester is not too happy with it
[10:03] <sitter> ah wait, there's an epoch problem
[10:04] <sitter> oh eh
[10:04] <sitter> Riddell: that won't fly will it?
[10:04] <sitter> baloo (the qt4 thing deb) had an epoch
[10:04] <sitter> now there is a transitional baloo in the kf5 package that doesn't have an epoch
[10:05] <Riddell> I'm sure I added one
[10:05] <sitter> yes but it can't work
[10:05] <sitter> the new baloo binary is << the old
[10:05] <Riddell> e.g. we have 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[10:05] <sitter> Oo
[10:06] <sitter> Riddell: how does that work? baloo-kf5 source has no epoch
[10:06] <Riddell> I did some magic in debian/rules to add the epoch
[10:07] <Riddell> ah "baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)"
[10:07] <sitter> Riddell: no
[10:07] <sitter> yes
[10:07] <sitter> Riddell: that doesn't work
[10:07] <Riddell> so it depends on the wrong version
[10:07] <sitter> baloo-kf5 *is* 5.9.0
[10:07] <Riddell> right
[10:07] <sitter> baloo *needs* to be 4:5.9.0 to be >> baloo 4:4.13
[10:08] <sitter> that rules magic is mighty impressive though, to bad it was solving the wrong problem :P
[10:08] <Riddell> "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Version})" needs something else in there
[10:08] <sitter> noooooooooo
[10:09] <Riddell> no?
[10:09] <sitter> the depends isn't the problem
[10:09] <sitter> gimme a sec
[10:09] <Riddell> sure it is, baloo "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)"
[10:09] <sitter> ah
[10:09] <sitter> Riddell: yeah you are right nevermind me
[10:10] <Riddell> somehow that epoch in the depends gets added which is wrong
[10:10] <sitter> Riddell: simply hardcode?
[10:10] <sitter> or use upstream:Version
[10:11] <sitter>        source:Upstream-Version
[10:11] <sitter>               The upstream source package version, including the Debian version epoch if any.
[10:11] <sitter> I get the feeling that manpage entry is wrong
[10:12] <Riddell> compiling now..
[10:12] <Riddell> sitter: should we add 4: epoch to all the ktp packages now it's in applications?
[10:13] <sitter> Riddell: I vote no on randomly introducing epochs :P
[10:13] <Riddell> it's not random, its consistency across all of kde applications
[10:14] <sitter> 'kde applications' is random though
[10:14] <sitter> things become apps, things might be !apps, things might become plasmas, things might become frameworks
[10:14] <Riddell> sitter: the version number isn't random, it's consistent
[10:14] <Riddell> even if the internal version number doesn't match at all
[10:15] <sitter> Riddell: if something becomes a framework it's not consistent
[10:15] <Riddell> ktp won't be a framework
[10:15] <sitter> you don't know that
[10:15] <sitter> there is zero to be gained from adding an epoch
[10:16] <Riddell> less faff with the packaging scripts
[10:16] <sitter> maybe the scripts should be fixed instead?
[10:18] <sitter> Riddell: oddly enough the source:Upstream-Version substvar really includes the epoch. so hardcoding the dep version is the way to go I suppose
[10:20] <sitter> makes you wonder how source:Version is different from source:Upstream-Version considering a package version only has two to three components to it and both of those substvars use the same two
[10:23] <Riddell> sitter: " Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0)"   is what I end up with if I use "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Upstream-Version})"
[10:23] <Riddell> so that seems perfect
[10:24] <sitter> ah
[10:24] <sitter> true true, my test case was wrong xD
[10:24] <sitter> Riddell: splendid
[10:25] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/67/parsed_console/
[10:26] <sitter> Riddell: similar for workspace http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_plasma-workspace/75/parsed_console/
[10:28] <Tm_T> is qt5 debug packages somewhere available?
[10:28] <Tm_T> trying to send meaningful crash reports
[10:28] <Tm_T> plasma keeps crashing on me
[10:33] <Riddell> qtbase5-dbg Tm_T
[10:34] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:37] <sitter> Riddell: if qml files are in a data package should that data package depend on the qml-module packages it needs (making it non-arch-all supposedly) or should they be on a binary package?
[10:37] <sitter> or perhaps they should only be recommends?
[10:37] <sitter> or perhaps recommends on data and then duplicated onto binary as depends
[10:38] <sitter> example being kwin-data
[10:44] <sitter> Riddell: I think you should have removed the patches what with them being upstream -> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/68/console
[10:45] <Riddell> sitter: muon fixed thanks
[10:54] <Riddell> sitter: plasma-workspace fixed thanks
[10:55] <Riddell> sitter: recommends sounds sensible I guess, maybe mitya57 or Mirv have opinions
[10:56] <Riddell> sitter: qml could really do with a dh_shlibsqml magic script to pick up dependencies on other qml bits
[11:03] <sitter> Riddell: nigh impossible that is
[11:03] <sitter> what with apps being able to manipulate the load paths in all sorts of ways at runtime
[11:03] <sitter> and it would require pulling runtime deps in as build deps such that one can resolve them at build time which is naughty really
[11:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell:
 Spads: hello, how can we push #26463 forward?
 it's deadline was a week ago
 we had a release to get out a week ago
 So we had to remove that deadline.
 We have rather a lot of work in the queue ahead of it, I'm afraid.
 as blahdeblah mentioned, we can't guarantee any particular timeframe
[11:29] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not happy with this
[11:40] <sitter> engage stepchild mode!
[11:41] <Riddell> it's pretty predictable
[11:44] <sitter> sad very sad
[11:45] <sitter> we should ask around, maybe some server hostery or CDN business would like to host us ;)
[11:48] <Riddell> we do have a server, but of course it's low powered
[11:48] <Riddell> we also have money, we can eaily buy another one
[11:51] <sitter> Riddell: OTOH I am sure someone would like to have their name mentioned on the frontpage in exchange for hosting
[11:51] <Riddell> I'm sure someone would but we don't want to end up in a place where we sell our souls :)
[11:52] <Riddell> bytemark may well do
[11:52] <sitter> at any rate IMO putting it on qa.kubuntu would be a bad idea as that server is not only low powered but also has load spikes due to the crons
[11:52] <Riddell> true
[11:52] <Riddell> I'll see Dan Shearer of Bytemark in a couple of weeks, can ask him
[11:52] <sitter> Riddell: well, we can ask businesses we like
[11:53] <sitter> on a related note. I think having a managed server would be a boon (i.e. someone else worries about system level updates and uptime ;))
[11:54] <Riddell> well that's why ovidiu-florin and jose wanted to let canonical do it
[11:54] <Riddell> and well the predictable has happened
[11:54] <sitter> right, hence my suggestion
[11:54] <ovidiu-florin> I was thinking of hosting it at wordpress
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> but apparently it's hard to get in touch with them
[11:55] <Riddell> wordpress.com will give you one with adverts and limited abiility to install stuff
[11:55] <Riddell> not great
[11:55] <sitter> nah
[11:56] <sitter> they have paied plans
[11:56] <Riddell> ah
[11:56] <sitter> business plan is 300 euros per year with unlimited everything
[11:56] <sitter> premium plan is 99 per year
[11:57] <sitter> with 13gb storage
[11:58] <sitter> wordpress.com would have the profound advantage of us not having to worry about anything (alas, also having no control over available plugins and so forth)
[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> is that too expensive for us?
[11:58] <Riddell> not really, we have money for it
[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> it's true that we can't have custom, unregistered plugins, I think
[11:58] <Riddell> that seems like a blocker
[11:58] <sitter> well
[11:58] <sitter> do we need them?
[11:59] <ovidiu-florin> my point exactly
[11:59] <Riddell> isn't that what we use?
[11:59] <Riddell> how is the new site themed?
[11:59] <sitter> theme != plugin
[12:02] <ovidiu-florin> http://www.wpbeginner.com/beginners-guide/self-hosted-wordpress-org-vs-free-wordpress-com-infograph/?display=wide
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> so, only their themes, no changes, and no plugins
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> I vone NO
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> vote*
[12:05] <Riddell> right, too limited
[12:06] <soee> oh lord, had to burn DVD first time since 2-3 years to install kubuntu :o
[12:07] <sitter> https://wordpress.org/hosting/
[12:07] <soee> ovidiu-florin: whats the problem ?
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'm talking to the bluehost guys now
[12:10] <soee> ovidiu-florin: talk with DO, im sure they might be interested with hosting for kubuntu
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> Digital Ocean?
[12:11] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ^
[12:11] <soee> yes
[12:11] <ovidiu-florin> tha's a VPS
[12:11] <soee> more or less, but best thing if you want to have ful control ver it
[12:11] <soee> i have 3 droplets there already
[12:11] <soee> 1 ubuntu and 2 debina
[12:11] <soee> *debian
[12:22] <sitter> hm
[12:22] <sitter> Riddell: kwin packaging is a bit of a mess, half the qml stuff is in kwin.deb other half in kwin-data.deb
[12:23] <mgraesslin> sitter: that reminds me: I wanted to provide packaging recommendations
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> bluehost sound promissing
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'll write a report
[12:27] <sitter> mgraesslin: which parts should be installed with x11/wayland?
[12:27] <sitter> because I was wondering about that the other day xD
[12:27] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: <3
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> are we registered as a nonprofit?
[12:28] <mgraesslin> sitter: exactly for that I wanted to do packaging recommendations, like how to split it, how to setup dependencies, etc.
[12:28] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: we are registered as something in the UK I believe
[12:28] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[12:28] <sitter> mgraesslin: that would be very useful
[12:30] <mgraesslin> sitter: is there a standard way to distribute packaging information, something like e.g. PACKAGING text file?
[12:31] <Riddell> mgraesslin: no but a README.Packagers is what some people use.  or output messages at the end of cmake output
[12:31] <sitter> seems a bit too excessive
[12:31] <sitter> it really doesn't matter where you put the information though
[12:31] <Riddell> somewhere that we'll read it :)
[12:31] <Riddell> e-mail release-team@ is one way
[12:31] <sitter> most people don't read shit unless you explicitly tell them about it, so as long as you send a mail to the distro pacakgers list with a pointer it'll be fine
[12:32] <mgraesslin> all right
[12:32] <mgraesslin> will try to get something together
[12:32] <mgraesslin> and hope it won't outdate too fast ;-)
[12:33] <sitter> ^^
[12:43] <soee> kubuntu 15.04 installed on my parents PC :) now upgrading to Plasma 5.3!
[12:43] <lordievader> soee: Whoop whoop
[12:44] <soee> yup :) now i only need to create new users, configure printer and voila
[12:45] <soee> they didn't liek Unity so i hope they will love this -.-
[12:45] <lordievader> Who does ;)
[12:46] <soee> true :D
[12:47] <soee> guys on my PC @ work and now my parent's i see this when booting: error: /dev/sdb: No medium found
[12:48] <soee> this line repeats 1 or more times sometimes
[12:48] <Riddell> sitter: hmm I just noticed kamoso doesn't work because it has a qml depend on purpose, we really need to work out a dh_shlibqml :(
[12:48] <soee> any idea why ? on my laptop i have no such lines
[12:56] <sitter> Riddell: you do read my mails to kubuntu-devel do you not? Oo
[12:56] <sitter> Riddell:  relevant read I just wrote -> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/QMLIgnore
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:03] <sgclark> morning
[13:07] <BluesKaj> well, 15.04/plasma 5.3 seems stable for my setup now, had to do a clean inatall to both / and /home.
[13:11] <Riddell> sitter: hmm but no errors at http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kamoso/2/console ?
[13:12] <sitter> Riddell: not fully rolled out for all builds yet
[13:12] <sitter> missing piece was the ignore stuff
[13:12] <Riddell> ah hah
[13:13] <sitter> I am reasonable certain I sent a mail about this like 2 weeks ago
[13:13] <sitter> or even 3
[13:14] <sitter> the constant install-remove also is a rather hefty performance hit, so I might need to do some tweaks there
[13:19] <soee> can i add user that doesnt require password ?
[13:24] <soee> user manager does not list created user :/
[13:24] <soee> if we dont set password for created account, we can't login from sddm
[13:26] <lordievader> You can set an autologin.
[13:30] <soee> lordievader: does not work
[13:30] <soee> if i want to remoe user i have to do it from cli :/
[13:31] <soee> kwallet prompts for password each time i login on parent spc - also strange
[13:32] <sitter> that's because no one bothered to port the pam for kwallet
[13:33] <soee> and whole desktop freezed :|
[13:33] <soee> my oh my
[13:37] <soee> can someone test it: create user wihout password witg autologin option and try to login
[13:37] <soee> should just fail
[13:39] <soee> and one more thing: this user wont be listed in user manager in system settings
[13:42] <sitter> I don't think user-manager should allow you to create a user without password
[13:46] <lordievader> soee: For the oem user it worked ;)
[13:46] <soee> ;o
[13:50] <soee> this whole user manager is strange
[13:50] <Riddell> can someone try the kamoso package from ppa:jr/ppa ? there's a guy on youtube reporting that it doesn't work (and you know how we like to respond to youtube comments) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxNODJGD38
[13:50] <Riddell> !testers | ↑
[13:51] <Tm_T> uno momento
[13:51] <Tm_T> "doesn't work" is quite ambiquous
[13:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: installed
[13:52] <Tm_T> "0 instead of 1 arguments to message {Switch to '%1' mode} supplied before conversion."
[13:53] <Tm_T> Failed to create qtquick2videosink. Make sure it is installed correctly
[13:53] <Tm_T> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[13:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: oh good :)
[13:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: so can you try installing these bits and see what helps?  apt-cache search qt5 gstreamer
[13:54] <Tm_T> will do
[13:57] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[13:57] <Tm_T> plasma crashed 13th time today
[13:57] <soee> ;)
[13:58] <Tm_T> I removed taskbar to see if that helps
[14:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: ...none?
[14:03] <Riddell> waa, so what is the magic package it needs?
[14:04] <Riddell> Tm_T: you have gstreamer1.0-x ?
[14:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes
[14:05] <Tm_T> ...almost every time I run Kamoso Plasma crashes
[14:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: pastebin the stdout when you run kamoso?
[14:06] <Tm_T> sure
[14:07] <Tm_T> https://paste.kde.org/p7nh8eqot
[14:07] <BluesKaj> soee:  yes?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> soee: pong
[14:07] <soee> BluesKaj: are you able to test if you can create new user, is it listed in users manager, if you can login to that account without password ?
[14:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you install  qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 ?
[14:13] <Tm_T> sure
[14:13] <Tm_T> and that fixed it
[14:13] <Tm_T> also Plasma didn't crash (=
[14:13] <Riddell> yay
[14:13] <Riddell> thanks Tm_T
[14:14] <Tm_T> haha, I closed it and Plasma crashes
[14:14] <Tm_T> this is, err, interesting
[14:14] <BluesKaj> soee:  nope , needed a pw to login with new user
[14:14] <soee> BluesKaj: is it listend in System Settings and User manager ?
[14:15] <soee> *lited
[14:15] <soee> Riddell: wy are we able to create user wthout password if it is required to login ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> soee:  no, it disappeared
[14:17] <soee> BluesKaj: so same as here, i removed it from cli, but i think  if you create third user it will be listed
[14:29] <ovidiu-florin> How can I run a script on every login on 14.04 ?
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> but only on a specific user
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> or better
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> I want to clear the user's home dir on every boot
[14:30] <Riddell> put it in ~/.kde/env
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> wipe it clean
[14:30] <Riddell> oh well that won't work :)
[14:30] <Riddell> use the guest user feature? that should work in 14.04 no?
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> that fails sometimes
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand why
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> I can't see any logs
[14:31] <Riddell> edit /usr/bin/startkde
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> that get's executed on every start?
[14:32] <Riddell> yes
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> who calls it?
[14:33] <Riddell> the login manager will call it to start up the session
[14:34] <Riddell> it's what's listed in /usr/share/xsession/plasma.desktop
[14:34] <ovidiu-florin> Can't I add an script to be called on boot?
[14:34] <ovidiu-florin> and not have to change KDE stuff, because these might get overwritten on update
[14:35] <Riddell> yes, add to ~/.kde/env
[14:35] <Riddell> but remember not to delete ~/.kde/env by the script in ~/.kde/env :)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: you could write a upstart script
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what about adding it somwhere ot be called by upstart
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[14:36] <shadeslayer> but I'd recommend using a guest session tbh
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> I can write a bash script but how do I tell upstart to run it?
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> I'll give it a try
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> can I rename the Guest user?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> I think the guest session is a random string or something
[14:37] <shadeslayer> though i could be wrong
[14:37] <ovidiu-florin> who can I ask?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#exec
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: about renaming the guest user?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> not a clue
[14:38] <shadeslayer> never really bothered with it
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> what program creates it?
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> what project does that?
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> can I make it log in automatically to the Guest user?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> I think it's from logind
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh fun
[14:46] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1219337
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: so I was stumbling through libindi when I found someone has already done the work: https://launchpad.net/~mutlaqja/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages is there anyway we can use this ?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why is grantlee5 not in git packaging :(
[15:12] <soee_> woho one red in apps :)
[15:29] <BluesKaj> dropbox icon working in system tray?
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> how much does a fresh install occupy?
[15:39] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Not for me: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/system-tray-in-plasma-next/ But the default headless instructions work so well for me, I only run their python scripts for curiosity.
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/interviews/a644356/peter-davison-talks-doctor-whos-music-and-a-five-ish-doctors-sequel.html#~pbg7ylyLSobVEu
[16:24] <Tm_T> bah, now my touchscreen is wonkers
[16:24] <Tm_T> first days with 15.04 have been filled with excitement (=
[17:29] <soee> sgclark: any chance to have apps ready today ? :)
[17:30] <sgclark> soee: well, seems Riddell left and I need an answer about libindi :(
[18:44] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi, is there any ppa with the new bluetooth framework i can test?
[18:49] <ovidiu-florin> How do I change the kanguage system wide?
[19:27] <genii> Is there some 15.04 equivelent to kwin --replace ?
[19:38] <genii> OK, so it looks like kwin_wayland or kwin_x11 now then. Curious that there's not something like an update-alternatives which just makes it only kwin
[20:33] <shadeslayer> genii: too much of a hassle really
[20:33] <shadeslayer> genii: plus I'm sure startkde hard codes it to X11 or uses a env var to figure out which one to launch
[20:33] <shadeslayer> so it'll be kind of pointlss
[20:34] <shadeslayer> and update-alternatives is for things that provide the same functionality, iirc, kwin_x11 and wayland provide very different functionalities
[20:35] <genii> shadeslayer: Good to know, thanks for the explanation.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> god I hate the keyboard on the new MBP
[20:36] <shadeslayer> no key travel at all
[20:39] <shadeslayer> the 15" one has decent key travel
[20:39] <shadeslayer> makes me want a X1 Carbon more
[20:39] <shadeslayer> but it has no Iris graphics or 16 GB ram
[20:39] <shadeslayer> so conflicted
[20:39] <shadeslayer> so conflicted
[20:47]  * ahoneybun wants a smaller laptop
[21:12] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: XPS 13?
[21:12] <ahoneybun> mostly budget problems
[21:12] <ahoneybun> there are tons of good looking small laptops
[21:12] <ahoneybun> most likely would buy from System76 or thinkpenguin
[21:14] <shadeslayer> I'm more than willing to spend money, but there's nothing useful on the market
[21:14] <ahoneybun> can't spend money where there is none lol


 @RazPi / @SivaMachina - are you guys coming tomorrow morning so I can arrange transport?
 I know Joel cannot come until later
 @SivaMachina - are you free today?
 I'm getting my kids ready and then leaving.
 Same... Except the no kids part
 xD
 I'm still chilling out at home
 You are close to it
 Yep
 Thanks Telegram for not notifying me that someone pinged me
 Unless you have the phone on DND
 Nope
 @SivaMachina, There is still time for me to come and get you if you get ready
 @SivaMachina - want to come?
 @Ivoriesablaze @KMyers So I might be free today I have to wait to see what work says but if Joel wants to swing by military trail and summit I'm in that area now
 Not this time. Things didn't pan out like I hoped.
 @SivaMachina, See my PM
 I won't be available until around 1 or 2 @RazPi
 Wait I'm confused, tomorrow morning?
 I thought we were talking about today
 We are
 No. Today
 I'm busy in the morning today
 Yes depending on work I can be free in the afternoon
 Ah, okay, that might work then
 I've never been to the west palm beach tri rail station
 I'm scared.
 No different than any other if you ignore the drugs and prostitutes
 Leaving now for Mojo. @SivaMachina - check your PM
 They're like bees, they're just as afraid of you as you are of them
 @ahoneybun https://www.kryptowire.com/adups_security_analysis.html
 I'm having caffeine withdrawals
 Oh sbap
 *snap
 @SivaMachina that adups thing affects BLU and ZTE devices
 For ZTE, only in China.
 I know
 I wrote a test for it about 2 months ago to test our devices.
 There is something far, far worse out there, and it is likely installed on your device already.  But I can't talk about it.
 Something something Google
 ?
 And I didn't realise Telegram has some implementation of Markdown.
 hello
 Nice
 *test
 *test*
 *test*
 @Ivoriesablaze @RazPi left yet?
 #Header
 #UbuntuHour
 Sent @Ivoriesablaze my address so I'll let you know when
 I'm guessing it'll be after 2
 I have a meeting at 2 as well
 @AdamOutler does it also apply to devices rooted with butternoob?
 I'll be leaving the fair soon
 South Florida fair?
 I always forget that's about this time
 Yeah that's where I was performing
 Went horribly, actually
 aw
 Aww
 I have a meeting in about 15 minutes then after that I'm free to go
 What's the agenda tonight?
 According to Keith Sushi!
 oh yay
 @Ivoriesablaze / @RazPi - let me know when you guys are in route
 okay, he's on his skype meeting right now
 @ahoneybun That really brightened up my day for you to show me that ZTE.  I had been working on that device for the previous two weeks and then a month before that.  To know it is desirable is really cool.
 @AdamOutler - he got it
 I'm working on something else now, but it's really cool that you are considering that device, even if it's not the TracFone variant with extreme security.
 he did?
 cool!
 How much?
 ~$180 all in
 Pretty old patch
 https://community.zteusa.com/thread/14262
 I had to install it on my shield tablet and pull the APK
 I warn you. The application is crap with a ton of iOS stuff
 The look on the plug's face says it all.
 I don't think we have an emoji with open-mouth and one eye wider than the other.
 @KMyers we're on our way driving down from West Palm it's at Miyako's restaurant right
 OK. Let me know when you hit ft Lauderdale
 Driving?
 Damn this phone is slippy
 @Ivoriesablaze is enjoying his car
 Nice
 We're meeting at Miyakos or somewhere else?
 We can meet there. Just let me know so I can head there. Same with @ahoneybun
 Well I'm getting Skylar at 4
 Still do that
 Alright
 What's the exit again @KMyers
 Hallendale Beach is the best
 We're here
 Same
 Got skylar
 OK. We will wait for you
 Alright just got here where do we go
 @KMyers
 Have him call Chris
<PHONE_NUMBER>
 And get over here. Hungry
 http://blacknurse.dk
 Not Affected, pfSense... YES!


[18:31] <locodir-user> are there any internship opportunities? :)
[18:32] <locodir-user> hello?
[18:33] <os__> u mean in Egypt ?
[18:33] <locodir-user> yes
[18:33] <os__> i dont live in it .. sorry
[18:34] <locodir-user> Thanks a lot, :)
[18:34] <locodir-user> Do you know any1 that can help?
[18:34] <os__> :)
[18:35] <os__> i am afraid i dont ... .
[18:35] <locodir-user> No problem, thanks a lot :)
[18:35] <os__> :)


[02:06] <bddebian> Heya
[03:36] <Feral_Kid> I have installed a standard deployment of Ubuntu 6.10. Is there anyway to give Edgy a look and feel of Edubuntu without having to re-install?
[04:17] <LaserJock> Feral_Kid: you just want the artwork?
[08:01] <LaserJock> hi Pete
[08:56] <Feral_Kid> Well, missed out on that response... But I think that I have everything in place... I downloaded edubuntu-desktop, and seem to have got a good number of applications to to go with it... Maybe not a nicely integrated as if I had used edubuntu at first, but it is a start... :)
[11:19] <willvdl> do we have anyone living in Florida?
[11:20] <willvdl> http://www.fetc.org/fetc2007/index.cfm
[11:21] <migi> willvdl, hmm I suppose that more than 17,000,000 people :)
[11:22] <willvdl> when I said "we" I didn't presume to have fathered the whole of Florida :)
[11:23] <migi> :)
[12:49] <cbx33> willvdl: is RichEd around?
[12:50] <willvdl> He said he'd be in around 13:30 (UTC+@)
[12:51] <willvdl> which is nowish
[12:51] <cbx33> ok
[12:51] <willvdl> want me to give him a call?
[12:51] <cbx33> no it's cool
[12:51] <willvdl> just to check?
[12:51] <cbx33> I was hoping he could put together a quick letter for me
[12:51] <cbx33> from canonical
[12:51] <cbx33> formally inviting our pupils to join the BETT stand
[12:51] <cbx33> so I can send it to the parents
[12:52] <willvdl> should be easy enough. I'm sure I can write one if time gets thin...
[12:53] <cbx33> ok
[12:53] <cbx33> I kinda need it today
[12:53] <cbx33> ;)
[12:53] <cbx33> so I can send out letters tomorrow
[12:53] <cbx33> and have replies by early next week
[12:55] <willvdl> cool. I'll watch the time
[01:41] <momo> hello there
[01:41] <freet15> momo: Hi
[01:42] <momo> anybody have an idea how to vnc to thin clients as lab administrator?
[01:42] <jsgotangco> ogra: happy new year
[01:42] <momo> i know its planned for the next version of student control panel
[01:42] <momo> happy new year 2 u 2
[01:42] <momo> :-D
[01:42] <jsgotangco> happy new year momo
[01:45] <momo> seems i am not the only one without a clue here
[01:45] <momo> i tried the client ip for a vnc connection but it did not work
[01:47] <freet15> Eh... I`m try to find some clue......
[01:47] <momo> hey thanks
[01:48] <momo> i am currently trying to convince a school to try edubuntu - with thin clienting they can keep the current set up of the machines (some ppl don't like change) - however i need to be able to vnc to the clients
[01:48] <freet15> momo: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html   I`m not sure... maybe you can gei me more information..
[01:49] <momo> let me have a look
[01:49] <momo> thanks
[01:49] <momo> let me find out if i can get a ssh connection
[01:50] <momo> thanks - maybe this could do the trick
[01:50] <freet15> momo: I have to go home now, if you have any clue or other information, give me a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:50] <freet15> ok
[01:50] <momo> sure
[01:50] <freet15> momo: jsgotangco: bye, happy new year.
[01:51] <momo> take care
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:50] <willvdl> ping cbx33
[05:48] <willvdl> need to run. Catch you all later. much later
[06:09] <cbx33> !seen willvdl
[06:09] <ubotu> I last saw willvdl<EMAIL_ADDRESS>15m 37s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[06:33] <cbx33> Ok urgent request, does anyone have any ubuntu in education type photos that we have the rights to use?
[07:20] <LaserJock> cbx33: you around?
[07:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, yup
[07:58] <LaserJock> cbx33: gtalk
[07:58] <cbx33> kk
[11:09] <cbx33> ping rodarvus
[11:21] <rodarvus> cbx33, pong
[11:25] <cbx33> rodarvus, how much you know about opengl?
[11:25] <rodarvus> not much, unfortunately :/
[11:27] <cbx33> :(
[11:27] <cbx33> ok ;)
[11:42] <cbx33> nn all
[11:43] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, tell willvdl, hope you got the email and the attachement
[11:43] <edubuntugirl> Righto, cbx33!


[02:10] <emankcin> New to Pi.  I have the image on the miniSD. I have gotten boot to run until the color splash with video first starts, then a restart.    TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION...AGAIN TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION!!
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[01:05] <ethan_> part
[01:38] <TheMuso> c
[01:41] <lilstevie> howdy
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> hrw: ping.
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> hrw: you blog seems b0rken again.
[09:55] <hrw> LetoThe2nd: hm.
[09:56] <suihkulokki> hrw: do you run it on a beagleboard or what? :P
[09:56] <hrw> suihkulokki: friend setup vps on r/pi model a (128MB ram)
[09:57] <hrw> suihkulokki: 16 vps, each got 2GB of swap on usb 1.1 disk
[14:14] <angs> I have ubuntu-server on my beagleboard-xm. I would like to remote debugging by using eclipse. I need to use gcc of the board however, gcc -v says the OS does not have gcc. what is the package name that I should install? is it  gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf
[14:21] <ogra_> build essential (that also cares for binutils etc)
[14:22] <ogra_> err build-essential
[14:22] <ubuntu> thank you ogra_
[16:24] <prpplague> anyone know if the ubuntu 12.04 for pandaboard is configured to be able to record from the audio input jack?
[16:27]  * prpplague has no clue who _is_ and _is not_ with canonical anymore
[16:32]  * XorA|gone is not, so thats -1 for you to investigate
[16:34] <ndec> prpplague: i know...
[16:35] <ndec> and it's supposedly not working fine.
[16:39] <prpplague> ndec: "not working fine"? just to confirm recording from the audio in is not working, is that correct?
[16:49] <GrueMaster> For the record, I fought with this for 4 releases.  Every new release breaks.
[17:11] <highvoltage> ogra_: do you know if ubuntu-armhf will run on this? http://howchip.com/shop/item.php?it_id=AND5250A
[17:12] <highvoltage> stgraber: ^^^ that seems close to what you've been looking for as well
[17:12] <highvoltage> (2GB of RAM, SATA)
[17:15] <infinity> highvoltage: Userspace will, but we have no kernel for it.
[17:15] <GrueMaster> highvoltage: Assuming the Cortex A15 is backwards compatible with Cortex A8/9, it should.
[17:15] <infinity> highvoltage: Looks somewhat similar to the new Chromebook's specs, I imagine someone will make both go at some point.
[17:16] <infinity> GrueMaster: It's v7-a, yeah.
[17:16] <highvoltage> infinity: that would be nice. the chromebook at least comes with a built-in UPS :)
[17:16] <stgraber> highvoltage: no wired network (or I missed it when reading through the page)
[17:16] <highvoltage> infinity: is the bootloader locked down on the chromebook?
[17:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: it has 100mbps ethernet
[17:16] <infinity> highvoltage: Nope, it's hacker friendly.
[17:16] <infinity> highvoltage: Ish.
[17:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: tjeu dpm
[17:18] <infinity> 100M?  Really?  Ick.
[17:18] <highvoltage> (oops)
[17:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: they don't mention it on the specs, but if ou scroll down you see it on the pic where they show you where all the ports are
[17:18] <stgraber> highvoltage: ah right, didn't look at the diagram and below, just looked at the text and did a search through the page which didn't return anything :)
[17:18] <highvoltage> infinity: the chromebook doesn't have gigabit does it?
[17:19] <infinity> highvoltage: Not sure, but other new devices do (finally)
[17:19]  * GrueMaster wishes he still had discretionary spending budget for arm toys.
[17:19] <infinity> Like the mx6, and potentially the Panda5, when it exists.
[17:19] <highvoltage> GrueMaster: heh, it's not like I have either
[17:20] <highvoltage> GrueMaster: I guess it's about priorities :)
[17:20] <highvoltage> (like, who needs car insurance and boring stuff like that anyway!?)
[17:21] <prpplague> highvoltage: looking at the samsung A15 board?
[17:21] <GrueMaster> highvoltage: Well, I have very little time (i.e. none) to do any Linux development or testing on arm these days.  While I would like to get a Chromebook and maybe a Panda 5, I'm not sure what I would do with it.
[17:22] <highvoltage> stgraber: https://plus.google.com/photos/104492301562638456962/albums/5803655978096681985/5803656013390346514 - are they all set up in containers?
[17:23] <highvoltage> prpplague: was looking at this one: http://howchip.com/shop/item.php?it_id=AND5250A
[17:23] <prpplague> highvoltage: yea thta is the one i am referring to
[17:24] <prpplague> highvoltage: curious as to what featuers are grabbing your attention with that board?
[17:24] <highvoltage> prpplague: 2GB RAM, SATA, USB 3
[17:25] <highvoltage> (sata seems to be hard to get)
[17:25] <prpplague> well you normally don't have sata on a cell phone, hehe
[17:25] <infinity> SATA is getting more and more common on dev boards this year and next.
[17:26] <infinity> The pain is almost over.
[17:26] <infinity> RAM is still hard to come by, though.
[17:26] <prpplague> indeed
[17:27] <lilstevie> yeah, sata seems to be a key feature in a lot of the new SoCs (unused in most cases, but there none the less)
[17:27] <GrueMaster> Better to have and not need...
[17:27] <infinity> When you can completely power it off, yeah.
[17:41] <ogra-nx7> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-installer-for-nexus-7-tablet-made-available-for-devs
[17:41] <ogra-nx7> :D
[17:53]  * GrueMaster would very much rather work on something like that than lift 50-80lbs servers and deal with the idioctacy here.
[18:12] <ogra-nx7> GrueMaster, yeah, tablet and cloud are the future, who wants to carry heavy cases ...
[18:19] <ogra-nx7> GrueMaster, and as we all know clouds run in the sky, so no HW needed ;)
[18:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, those are all individual containers (though not all are ready yet, but will be for 13.04, or so I hope)
[19:44] <steev> ogra-nx7: uh, someone has to lift the 50-80lbs servers that are used for the cloud that everyone else uses
[19:46] <steev> btw, decent build systems (though i think they are a tad pricey) - http://openblocks.plathome.com/products/obs_a/ - sata, and a sodimm slot
[19:46] <ogra-nx7> nah, cant be, clouds dont weight that much
[19:46] <steev> heh
[19:46] <ogra-nx7> :)
[19:47] <steev> sadly, that IS how some people think of the cloud
[19:47] <ogra-nx7> yup
[19:47] <steev> somehow, when they talk of it
[19:47] <steev> i picture this - http://dev.gentoo.org/~steev/files/screenshots/thecloud.png
[19:48] <ogra-nx7> heh
[19:49] <steev> also, not sure why the openblocks says japan only, because i'm in the US and definitely got one
[19:49] <steev> they also include an Intel 313 series 20gb ssd
[19:50] <ogra-nx7> i think the canonical path goes to real arm servers
[19:50] <steev> calxeda?
[19:50] <steev> i'm not rich enough to get them to talk to me
[19:50] <ogra-nx7> calxeda or armadaxp
[19:50] <steev> the openblox is an armada xp
[19:50] <steev> blocks*
[19:51] <steev> dual core 1.33 (and 3gb ram because it comes with 2gb in the sodimm)
[19:51] <ogra-nx7> yeah i rather mean blades :)
[19:51] <steev> well, we can't all be fancy companies with server racks :P
[19:52] <steev> i mean i COULD, i have the space for it, but ehhh, i like my power bill currently being < 60USD
[19:52] <ogra-nx7> heh, no, but to build a distro a rack helps
[19:52] <steev> very true
[22:05] <steev> oh spiffy, a precise image for the trimslice
[23:14] <satellit> steev: is there a link for the precise image for the trimslice?
[23:15] <satellit> I habe h250 and can change the HD for testing
[23:15] <steev> http://www.trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2898#p2898
[23:15] <satellit> thanks