[07:38] <bdb> wtf is katapult its taking 10 years to load
[07:39] <eddy> ciao a tutti..
[07:39] <payam> Does anyone know how i can install AutoCAD?
[07:39] <bdb> gekkoo:  so what does that have to do with anything i have compiled gvim on my slackware box before and never had to install gnome libraries... someone needs to recompile it just for kubuntu
[07:39] <bdb> gtk does not need gnome
[07:40] <payam> com one
[07:40] <payam> come on
[07:40] <payam> help me
[07:40] <payam> How can i install AutoCAD on kubuntu or is there any software  like CAd for Kubuntu?
[07:40] <gekkoo> payam: you cant actually install autoCad on linux
[07:40] <bdb> dude programs that think its cool to open a window and put it on top of all other ones and stand there for 20 years should get thrown in the garbage and never brought into the linux world again
[07:40] <gekkoo> payam: use qcad
[07:41] <payam> waite
[07:41] <payam> i dont undrstant
[07:41] <payam> how  can i install  Autocad?
[07:41] <dheerajsp> hello...how can i add Beryl-manager to my Kubuntu startup?
[07:41] <payam> Do i need  Wine installed?
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> bdb: I hate splash screens, I turn them all off. At least you can with linux - so many windows apps won't let you.
[07:41] <payam> #kubuntu.se
[07:41] <gekkoo> payam: you can't. but there's an alternative (qcad)
[07:42] <payam> okok
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> dheerajsp: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/.
[07:42] <dheerajsp> thank you
[07:42] <root____> payam: try using wine
[07:43] <payam> i m not sure if it works
[07:43] <gekkoo> and if, it wouldnt work well
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> worst case scenario if you have windows you can install in vmware - vmware server is free.
[07:45] <slestak> just heard a good podcast on linuxactionshow about VirtualBox
[07:46] <bdb> who speaketh my name
[07:47] <atphalix> virtualbox?
[07:48] <mervteck> hey can anyone help me out with wine? the winehq channel is useless
[07:51] <mervteck> #winehq
[07:57] <pika> hi
[07:59] <slestak> anyone succesfully using Dell 350 bluetooth adapter?
[07:59] <txwikinger> Does anybody know where usually the .pot files should be for a package ?
[08:04] <cheeseboy> how do i tell an app to open on my other monitor?
[08:08] <PupenoR> How do I make an md5sum of a cdrom?
[08:08] <aseigo> PupenoR: by running the md5sum command on the iso
[08:09] <PupenoR> aseigo: on a phisical cd, not on the ISO.
[08:09] <PupenoR> I want to ensure the CD is ok.
[08:09] <LjL> PupenoR: md5sum /dev/cdrom
[08:09] <aseigo> PupenoR: on the device then
[08:09] <PupenoR> LjL: that gave me an I/O error.
[08:10] <LjL> PupenoR: hm, then i'd say the cd is *not* ok :P did it give it right away, or after a while?
[08:10] <beta> is java already included in dapper after a frsh install?
[08:10] <slestak> does it make a difference if it is mounted or not?
[08:10] <PupenoR> LjL: after a long while.
[08:10] <txwikinger> cheeseboy: do you mean on an X-server on a different computer?
[08:10] <cheeseboy> x-server
[08:11] <txwikinger> you can either set the DISPLAY environment variable
[08:11] <cheeseboy> how?
[08:11] <txwikinger> or start the app with -display
[08:11] <beatlebee> is this a good channel for sound card issues? I installed kubuntu a week ago, and in that time, I haven't gotten any sound, or any error messages indicating why I get no sound.
[08:11] <txwikinger> you need to use the hostname or ip-adressed with :0 on it
[08:11] <txwikinger> i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>:0
[08:12] <LjL> PupenoR: that would normally mean that the cd-rom is bad *but* the drive itself (well, the drive's error detection circuitry) detects the problem, and tries again and again to read the correct data... but in the end, it gives up and says "sorry, i just can't read this disc"
[08:12] <cheeseboy> why i need ip of my own pc?
[08:12] <mervteck> can someone help me get my sound to work. and i already did what ~!sound said
[08:12] <txwikinger> oh.. I thought you mean different machine
[08:12] <LjL> PupenoR: google says that it also might be due to the cd-rom not having been burned in disc-at-once mode, which results in some drives misreading it (i'm getting this from http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/burn_iso_images.html )
[08:13] <txwikinger> DO you mean you have 2 video adapters?
[08:13] <PupenoR> LjL: thanks.
[08:13] <cheeseboy> i have one videocard with svideo and monitor port
[08:13] <cheeseboy> i want to start an app on my tv
[08:14] <txwikinger> can you run both simultaneously?
[08:14] <txwikinger> then you have to run two x-servers on each video port one
[08:14] <cheeseboy> um i have twinview setup
[08:14] <txwikinger> ok.. then one is :0 and the other :1
[08:15] <Mena> Hi
[08:15] <txwikinger> you can use display with <IP_ADDRESS>:0 or <IP_ADDRESS>:1
[08:15] <cheeseboy> do iput app name before or after it?
[08:15] <Mena> intelikey, if i add the utf8 to the end of the line that okay? like this /dev/hda3 /media/hda3 vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,fmask=133,dmask=022,utf8 0 0
[08:15] <txwikinger> before it if you use -display as argument
[08:16] <txwikinger> or you set and export the variable DISPLAY=....
[08:16] <txwikinger> then you can just start the app
[08:16] <Mena> intelikey, to enable utf8 support
[08:16] <Mena> intelikey, are you here at first :D
[08:17] <Mena> he is not
[08:17] <Mena> any one else
[08:17] <cheeseboy> cannot connect to X server <IP_ADDRESS>:1
[08:17] <txwikinger> hmm.. you might have to allow to listen to ip in the configuration
[08:17] <jhutchins> Mena: Try it.
[08:18] <cheeseboy> how?
[08:18] <txwikinger> it is in the kdm config file
[08:18] <mervteck> yayyyy got my sound to work!
[08:18] <cheeseboy> wheres that?
[08:18] <Mena> jhutchins, its working but i am asking to keep sure
[08:18] <txwikinger> one moment have to look
[08:18] <jhutchins> txwikinger: I think you can omit the ip address.
[08:18] <mcquaid> i remember this being fairly easy but can't figure it out.  the icons beside the kde menu, i'd like them stacked as two rows
[08:18] <Mena> jhutchins, can i do this with ext3
[08:18] <mcquaid> can't seem to find where to do that
[08:19] <txwikinger> true.. try just :1
[08:19] <mcquaid> is that still possible?
[08:20] <cheeseboy> mythtv -display:1?
[08:20] <txwikinger>  mythtv -display :1
[08:21] <cheeseboy> mythtv: cannot connect to X server :1
[08:21] <Mena> jhutchins, ??
[08:21] <beatlebee> Hi, my soundcard isn't working. I can play music in mplayer amarok with no errors, aumix -q returns a 65% volume, and I get no sound out of my built in speakers or headset jack. Any suggestions?
[08:21] <txwikinger> do you have a second X server running?
[08:21] <cheeseboy> do i have to setup another xserver?
[08:21] <beta> !vmware
[08:21] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[08:21] <txwikinger> look with ps -edf if there is one on :1
[08:22] <Mena> !utf8
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utf8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <Mena> !UTF8
[08:22] <cheeseboy> i don't think there is one
[08:22] <mervteck> hey guys ive got a second HD connected to the same IDE as my CD drive is on, how to i get linux to show it?
[08:22] <Orange1> UTF-3
[08:24] <cadkins> mervteck : if you run fstab does it show the drive there?  Just run it and see if it's there?  Should be able to see the size of the drive.
[08:24] <cadkins> after that, just have to mount it
[08:24] <jhutchins> mervteck: What filesystem?
[08:24] <jhutchins> cadkins: run fstab?
[08:24] <cheeseboy> 1000      4607     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:02 xfdesktop --display :0.0 --sm-cl
[08:24] <cheeseboy> 1000      4613     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:06 xfce4-panel --display :0.0 --sm-
[08:24] <cheeseboy>  only see some stuff on display 0
[08:24] <mervteck> ntfs
[08:24] <mervteck> and 1 sec
[08:25] <john__> Does anyone here use k9Copy?
[08:25] <jhutchins> !ntfs | mervteck
[08:25] <ubotu> mervteck: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:25] <mervteck> yesh its my windows drive ive got a bunch of crap like movies on
[08:25] <mervteck> i just wanna access it like i used to when it was on the same ide as the first HD
[08:26] <jhutchins> mervteck: So what's stopping you?
[08:26] <mervteck> its just not showing up now im guessing because its on my cd IDE
[08:27] <mervteck> (had to be done sadly)
[08:27] <john__> !k9copy
[08:27] <ubotu> A good alternative to running DVDShrink with wine is k9copy; for Dapper it's available in Universe, and for Breezy it's available at this repository: deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib non-free
[08:29] <jba> ciao a tutti
[08:29] <john__> !snack
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <jba> NESSUNO SA COME METTERE KDE4 E CONTINUARE A TENERE ANCHE KDE3.5
[08:29] <jba> ??
[08:29] <john__> !kubuntu
[08:29] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[08:30] <txwikinger> cheeseboy: you need to configure and start an x-server on :1 ... I have no experience in doing that
[08:30] <txwikinger> on a twin-setup
[08:31] <jhutchins> mervteck: Not showing up where?
[08:32] <Ragga> weeeeeeeeeeeeeenas
[08:33] <Mena> Why ext3 file system dont use or enable utf8 support ???
[08:33] <cheeseboy> THE FORUMS ARE DOWN !?
[08:33] <cheeseboy> :(
[08:36] <soon> A general network question: I have a Zyxel router connected to my adsl splitter - the router only has one LAN port. I've connected a second router (Linksys) to the Zyxel because it has 4 ports and wifi ... the Linksys, should it be set up as Gateway, Router, Access point or something else???
[08:36] <jhutchins> Mena: Looks like the correct format may be locale=en_US.utf8
[08:37] <jhutchins> soon: Why not just connect the linksys to the net?
[08:38] <soon> because the zyxel has the phone port for my IP-telephony and the Linksys doesnt
[08:38] <varco> noobs
[08:38] <Mena> jhutchins, you mean utf8 support just the us encode or i add this or i dont get it ? :)
[08:39] <jhutchins> Mena: I have no idea about utf or support for it, but that's the format I see when I google utf8 ext3.
[08:39] <cvk77> where is the right place to enable ls' colour support? i expected some commented lines in /etc/bash.bashrc but couldn't find any.
[08:40] <Mena> jhutchins, ohhhhhhh ok
[08:40] <jhutchins> Mena: You should check the documentation for the correct format to use.
[08:40] <Mena> jhutchins, ok
[08:41] <jhutchins> Mena: I also see iocharset=utf8
[08:41] <beta> !ape
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ape - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> I take it MSN messenger is having problems today? or did they just change the protocol so kopete wouldn't work with it?
[08:41] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, kmail seems pretty cool , had a some difficulty linking the executeable file to the desktop , but i eventually found the "right path" and now it's in business :)
[08:42] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Great, hope it works out for you.
[08:42] <BluesKaj> seems fine :)
[08:46] <Mena> jhutchins, ok
[08:48] <beta> !java
[08:48] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:48] <_roland> anyone know why copying text from internet into text editor take hours and konqueror freezes when i try to copy large text and also konqueror takes very long to load and show the filemanager?
[08:49] <_roland> its only a bit faster than the resource hog called vista
[08:50] <Mena> jhutchins, i searched the decomnation and found nothing
[08:51] <Mena> !!!!
[08:51] <Mena> heheh :)
[08:52] <Mena> jhutchins, Thanks for helpping me
[08:53] <Mena> jhutchins, Bye...With GOD BLess BLESS
[08:53] <LeeJunFan> _roland: you have to be careful selecting text from pages that contain graphics.
[08:53] <_roland> the pages i select text(large quantities of text) from contain no graphics at all, just the plain text
[08:53] <LeeJunFan> _roland: not sure why it would be slow. Konq is plenty quick here.
[08:53] <_roland> i have 1.8ghz p4 and 512 ram and kde feels slow
[08:54] <_roland> main problem would be konqueror and klipper
[08:54] <LeeJunFan> _roland: perhaps I haven't noticed is all. My copy/paste is generally quite small content.
[08:54] <_roland> hmm dam
[08:54] <carutsu> hello, something happened while i tried to install the java vm
[08:55] <carutsu> it didnt install it, and now i cant run adept nor apt-get
[08:55] <carutsu> it crashed somehow
[08:55] <alfadr0> Bonsoir
[08:55] <carutsu> what should i do
[08:55] <_roland> and what can i do that when i add a user he can do sudo ?
[08:55] <fizzzico> bonsoir !!
[08:55] <fizzzico> jsuis perdu :s
[08:55] <alfadr0> Comment allez-vous ?
[08:56] <LeeJunFan> _roland: add them to the admin group
[08:56] <alfadr0> Moi aussi XD
[08:56] <_roland> ok hanks
[08:56] <fizzzico> on est o l? =D
[08:56] <fizzzico> premiere fois que je lance Konversation
[08:56] <carutsu> !kubuntu-fr
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-fr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <carutsu> !fr
[08:56] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:56] <BluesKaj> !fr | fizzzico, alfadr0
[08:56] <LeeJunFan> _roland: sudo gpasswd -a [username]  groupname
[08:56] <ubotu> fizzzico, alfadr0: please see above
[08:57] <fizzzico> ok thx
[08:57] <carutsu> something happened while i tried to install the java vm, it didnt install it, and now i cant run adept nor apt-get
[08:57] <luca> i think you can kill adept's process..
[08:58] <LeeJunFan> !adept-fix
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:58] <luca> then you launch dpkg --reconfigure -a
[08:58] <fizzzico> automatic connexion on #kubuntu when fisrt  launching this IRC client soft via ubuntu?
[08:58] <ubuntu> hay all having some issues with my kubuntu and running off a live cd at the moment.. is there a option i can put in grub to give me a console based login
[08:59] <carutsu> LeeJunFan, what should i do?
[08:59] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: I think fizzzico is right on that.
[09:00] <alfadr0> I need Help
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> argh, it's one word. hehe
[09:00] <carutsu> fizzzico?
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> !adeptfix | carutsu
[09:00] <ubotu> carutsu: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:01] <tuxligo> #kubuntu-es for the people of latinamerica and people talk spanish
[09:01] <alfadr0> WHo can help me ?
[09:01] <Mariano> Hey guys I installed kubuntu on one of my partitions, but now kubuntu loads up as default. My windows partition is not showing up on start up.
[09:01] <Mariano> can someone help me
[09:01] <carutsu> it worked
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> !ask
[09:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:01] <tuxligo> #kubuntu-es para personas que hablan espaol
[09:01] <mobileloser> who can help me to install vlc player ? ve problems
[09:01] <carutsu> shouldny there be something like apt-get --fix or something?
[09:01] <Skuller> Mariano: did you install windows after kubuntu?
[09:01] <Mariano> nope
[09:02] <Mariano> I did windows, and then kubuntu
[09:02] <Skuller> markus: grub should have been installed and showed you the menu to select the OS's
[09:02] <Skuller> sorry
[09:02] <Skuller> Mariano: grub should have been installed and showed you the menu to select the OS's
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: nope, just those commands ubuntu said.
[09:02] <Mariano> it says grub starting and it just goes into kubuntu
[09:03] <carutsu> LeeJunFan, well thank you, however what i'm saying it _should_
[09:03] <Mariano> is there a way that I can manage grub through a gui
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: you still can't use apt-get?
[09:03] <_roland> my other user has a different looking kde panel than mine (more polished,more sharp looking).. why is mine not changed ?
[09:03] <_roland> i did a upgrade to 3.5.6
[09:03] <Skuller> Mariano: hmm well i guess you might ave to reinstall GRUB....i dont know how to do that or you may need to install kubuntu again...please ask someone else for help
[09:03] <carutsu> LeeJunFan yes i can now
[09:03] <Skuller> !grub
[09:03] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:03] <carutsu> thank you, just a though
[09:03] <Mariano> ok
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> grub-install hd0
[09:03] <Mariano> !grub
[09:04] <Mariano> ok
[09:04] <mcquaid> i installed kde-core and adding packages as i go.  i don't have the mixer. the only one i see in synaptic is tkmixer
[09:04] <mcquaid> isn't tkmixer the really old one?  Thought there was another one that has become the standard for kde
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> mcquaid: no, that's still standard
[09:04] <Skuller> mcquaid: alsamixer?
[09:05] <dracou> does anyone knows where do I find wifi settings on fluxbuntu ?
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> kmix is it's own package, so if you don't end up with it just install kmix
[09:06] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: can you elaborate on your problem installing vlc?
[09:06] <mcquaid> LeeJunFan: ok thx
[09:06] <_roland> daamn... my user management in system settings just got unusable after clicking administrator mode.. so many things dont work..
[09:07] <LeeJunFan> _roland: easy way to add someone to a group is gpasswd, sudo gpasswd -a [user]  [group]
[09:07] <mobileloser> yes. i use kde
[09:07] <zorglu_> q. im installing lighttpd 1.5.0 from source, and i remember there is a page not to crash the whole .deb system when installing stuff from source. anybody remember what it is ?
[09:07] <mcquaid> whats a mail notification app for kde? pref one taht supports gmail
[09:07] <mobileloser> try to add the dapper reposity listed on videolan.org...
[09:07] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: how are you trying to install it? if you run 'sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:07] <_roland> LeeJunFan: but why would user management panel in settings hang ?
[09:07] <zorglu_> !source
[09:07] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> _roland: beats me - I never use them :)
[09:08] <zorglu_> doesnt seems to be it :)
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> _roland: hrm, just tried mine and got an error that the module couldn't be loaded.
[09:09] <_roland> even more nice...
[09:09] <mobileloser> yes that way.. but responsible packages missing..
[09:09] <_roland> damn
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> _roland: just a sec.
[09:09] <sohan> hello, what command for going to kubuntu french canal ? ( sorry for my very bad english )
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> _roland: okay - try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> _roland: then try to use the user manager again.
[09:10] <_roland> ok
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> Anyone know why it is that kde-guidance needs to be re-installed so often? It seems to get hosed during KDE updates.
[09:10] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  want to add the dapper url from videolan.org but apt get cannot load all files
[09:10] <Orange1> does kubuntu have a character map?
[09:12] <_roland> ah and one more thing.. after the upgrade the user 'angela' has a different looking(more sharp,more polished and shiny) default kde panel( i guess kicker is the name.. ) why ?
[09:12] <mcquaid> hmm, i installed tkmixer but it doesn't show up as an applet, uh how do i actually add it to the panel?
[09:12] <_roland> than my panel
[09:12] <alfadr0> Can you give me URL for Drivers for Sound Baster for Kubuntu please ?
[09:12] <Skuller> !thx
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: ah, it's probably a problem with that repository. :( What's wrong with the standard vlc included in dappers repos?
[09:13] <sohan> Hello ... I speak very bad english, Kubuntu is ???
[09:13] <LjL> alfadr0, the SB drivers are *included* in a default Ubuntu (just like most common drivers). at worst, you have to set things up. usually, they get set up automatically. if you have an old ISA card, that migth not happen
[09:13] <alfadr0> Tues franais ?
[09:13] <mobileloser> leejunfun dont know what u mean
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> _roland: angela probably hadn't customized her settings, you probably did, so when you upgrade it changes the default settings, but if your settings aren't default it likely didn't mess with them.
[09:13] <sohan> oui ...
[09:13] <Skuller> !fr
[09:13] <LjL> !fr
[09:13] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:13] <alfadr0> Thank's LJL
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: you shouldn't need to download anything from videolan, vlc is included in ubuntu official repositories.
[09:13] <sohan> Thanks !
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> !info vlc
[09:13] <alfadr0> Sohan t'as deux serveurs FR l
[09:13] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[09:13] <mobileloser> whitout including the new  url it dont work
[09:13] <mobileloser> hmmm
[09:14] <sohan> #kubuntu-fr
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: did you enable your universe repositories?
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> !repositories
[09:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:14] <LjL> sohan:  c'est  /join #kubuntu-fr
[09:14] <Skuller> sohan: click on it
[09:15] <_roland> LeeJunFan: my kicker is the default one without any changes and didnt get that nice look after the upgrade
[09:15] <_roland> its still ugly and flat
[09:15] <_roland> and grey
[09:15] <Skuller> hey guys..can anyone tell me how do i check the internet connection settings?...like my username that i have put in pppoeconf
[09:17] <payam> I dont know Skuller
[09:17] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  heya i enable all universe listings in the Adept
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: and you did update?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: after doing update so it goes and looks to see what packages are available in those repos you just enabled - then you can search for vlc and should be able to install it from there.
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> _roland: you could log out of kde, switch to vt1 <ctrl><alt>F1, login as your user, rm -f ./kde/share/config/kickerrc, then ctrl-alt-F7, login to KDE again and it should use system defaults.
[09:19] <mobileloser> jeehaa that dont work in the adept
[09:20] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: what doesn't work?
[09:20] <mobileloser> mom
[09:22] <frojnd> hello
[09:22] <frojnd> I have really bad time with skype
[09:22] <frojnd> I can only call another pesrson for the very first time I started skype
[09:22] <frojnd> if I wanna call 2nd time computer freezes..
[09:23] <frojnd> has anyone else have such or simmilar problem?
[09:23] <payam> I try to download a torrent file  whit Ktorrent but its very slow
[09:23] <payam> Why?
[09:23] <LjL> payam: because it's not well seeded?
[09:24] <payam> what?
[09:24] <payam> I dont know
[09:25] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  when i mark it at to install... the font is red an ther is destroy(install)
[09:26] <mobileloser> ger transaalted to eng :D sry..
[09:26] <tempsanity> hi guys, how do i add / delete apps from KDE autostart?
[09:26] <LjL> payam, why do you expect the download to be fast?
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: sounds like it's already installed then.
[09:26] <mobileloser> hmm
[09:26] <bxnp> tempsanity: go to kcontrol
[09:26] <tempsanity> bxnp: thanks
[09:26] <mobileloser> how to test?
[09:27] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: can you open a konsole and type vlc and see if it starts?
[09:27] <mobileloser> whereis vlc return nothing
[09:27] <mobileloser> cmd not found
[09:27] <Blissex> tempsanity: add/remove files/symlinks from the Autostart directory in the KDE directory
[09:27] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: what about 'sudo apt-get install vlc'
[09:27] <payam> i could download 600 mB on 90 minuts
[09:27] <payam> but now 6 H
[09:28] <payam> shit
[09:28] <Blissex> tempsanity: 'kcontrol' allows you to control stuff (re)started by the session manager
[09:28] <LjL> payam: on the *same* file?
[09:28] <payam> No
[09:28] <payam> Iso ile in a torrent file
[09:28] <LjL> payam, then that doesn't mean anything. some files are simply more shared than others.
[09:28] <payam> you know what i mean
[09:28] <LjL> you can't expect all torrents to download as fast
[09:28] <payam> okok
[09:28] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  Konnte Lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht bekommen - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:28] <bxnp> cant find it btw in kcontrol tempsanity
[09:29] <tempsanity> Blissex: I can't find that dir o_O
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: close adept first :)
[09:29] <mobileloser> it is closed
[09:29] <LjL> 600MB in 6 hours is something like 30kilobytes per second. it's bad, but it's a very likely speed for many files.
[09:29] <Blissex> tempsanity: '~/.kde/Autostart/' usually
[09:30] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  understand german? :D
[09:30] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  Nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten. Versuchen Sie apt-get -f install ohne jeglich Pakete (oder geben Sie eine Lsung an)
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> session manager and Autostart are different, session manager tries to remember what was running when kde was shut down, Autostart is a dir found in ~/.kde/Autostart that will launch any program in that dir on KDE startup.
[09:30] <tempsanity> Blissex: thanks I made a typo so I didn't find it lol, thanks
[09:30] <frojnd> how can I reinstsall package?
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: afraid not, is that saying it's not found?
[09:30] <LjL> LeeJunFan: it's the "something went wrong, please run apt-get -f install without arguments or find a solution"
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> LjL: thanks.
[09:31] <mobileloser> there are connections between the packages
[09:31] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan: but cannot install the other
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: see what LjL said? run sudo apt-get -f install
[09:32] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: you may have to uninstall any portions of vlc that were installed by that other repository you downloaded from first.
[09:32] <pakizip> ciao a tutti
[09:32] <LjL> !it
[09:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:32] <pakizip> ah ok thanks
[09:32] <pakizip> ;)
[09:33] <pakizip> hello!
[09:33] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan: it worked well but now sudo apt-get install vlc  is talking about broken packages
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:34] <frojnd> ok.. I have some drivers for my nvida installed..
[09:34] <frojnd> how can I uodate them
[09:34] <DisabledDuck> what is the default mailing client in kubuntu?
[09:34] <frojnd> update*
[09:34] <frojnd> DisabledDuck: kmail
[09:34] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  nothing changed
[09:35] <DisabledDuck> frojnd: is it better than Thunderbird
[09:35] <DisabledDuck> ?
[09:35] <beta> how do i play monkey audio (.ape)?
[09:35] <frojnd> DisabledDuck: don't know I only use kmail..
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: did you remove libvlc?
[09:35] <mobileloser> nope
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: dpkg -l | grep vlc     will show you any vlc named packages installed currently.
[09:35] <mobileloser> but it is missing
[09:35] <cvk77> anybody know how to enable Ctrl-Alt-KP+ resolution change?
[09:35] <roland_> why do i get at random times messages like Conversation with su failed when i need to use a 'sudo' app
[09:35] <roland_> in kde
[09:36] <roland_> sometimes it works, other times it doesnt
[09:36] <frojnd> cvk77: what is "-KP"
[09:36] <mobileloser> show nothing LeeJunFan
[09:36] <cvk77> frojnd: KeyPad :)
[09:36] <frojnd> cvk77: ok :>
[09:37] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: hrm, try sudo apt-get -f install    again
[09:37] <Orange1> recursive vs iteral -- anyone ?
[09:38] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  i download vlc_0.8.6a-jb-videolan-1.tar.gz can i use that?
[09:38] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  sudo apt-get -f install change nothing...
[09:38] <mobileloser> packages are broken
[09:38] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: compiling vlc is no small feat, it depends on a lot of other things to handle video/audio.
[09:39] <mobileloser> ah ok
[09:39] <mobileloser> so its nothing to do ? with my non existing experiences :?
[09:39] <LjL> cvk77: it's not disabled, it's just broken in Edgy
[09:39] <mobileloser> i only want to look a xvid avi... but nothing worked :/
[09:39] <roland_> also Empty Trash doesnt work when there is something in trash ..
[09:40] <LjL> cvk77: you can work around it (by assigning ctrl+alt+plus and minus some actions, namely call a resulution-changer program), but it won't really be the same thing
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: just a sec.
[09:40] <bxnp> guys where is the package saved for flash installation
[09:40] <LjL> cvk77: https://launchpad.net/bugs/64926 for more information
[09:40] <bxnp> the deb installed it but dunno where
[09:40] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  ok thx me is waiting
[09:42] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: hrm, no deal. I thought maybe there were vlc packages in medibuntu, but there aren't. I've used vlc in dapper many times, I don't know why you'd be having issues.
[09:43] <cvk77> LjL: ah.. ok that explains it. thanks
[09:43] <mobileloser> ok thx... thus a journey for a weekedn
[09:43] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: maybe you'd have better luck with another german speaker who can make more sense of your error message.
[09:43] <mobileloser> any german chan in this network?
[09:44] <LjL> !de
[09:44] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:44] <mobileloser> thx
[09:46] <kyuuketsuki> my friend has a problem with installing kubuntu
[09:46] <bxnp> and what is the problem kyuuketsuki
[09:46] <cvk77> LjL: do u think this could be resolved by compiling xorg from source?
[09:46] <kyuuketsuki> he gets a blank screen, when we try to do http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1759586&postcount=16 it dies before we can put in the commands
[09:48] <kyuuketsuki> anyone have any ideas?
[09:49] <LjL> cvk77: maybe, i don't really know. perhaps by compiling it without -fstackprotector... but then do you really want to go through something as hellish as compiling xorg, with no guarantees of a positive outcome? =)
[09:50] <firecrotch> I have 2 superkaramba themes on my desktop, and they're both reporting different values for RAM usage
[09:50] <firecrotch> How can I find out which one (if either!) is right?
[09:52] <DisabledDuck> ok, for some reason, whenever i try to install something using adept, it always tells me there was a problem commiting changes
[09:53] <cvk77> LjL: hey, i used gentoo for 5 years. i don't fear hell ;)
[09:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm looking for a beryl-based live cd to demo for a class
[09:54] <Daisuke_Ido> looking into sabayon - it claims to work on *most* graphics cards
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: beryl 0.2.0 was just released, it's quite an upgrade from the older version.
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> LeeJunFan: oh, i know, i'm running it on my desktop machine here, but bringing that in isn't a feasible option
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm just talking about a live cd with beryl
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: unless you make an image on a USB flash drive with kubuntu :)
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> maybe more work than it's worth though.
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> I wish I could get dri to work on the lame gfx cards on the library workstations. All those people getting a dose of beryl who haven't seen anything but windows :)
[10:00] <darkserver3_> hey.,... where I can find a the source of the sysctl
[10:00] <mzanfardino> I have an AVI file I'd like to burn to a CD so that I can play it on my DVD player at home.  What application can I use to do this?
[10:01] <Daisuke_Ido> LeeJunFan: that's my issue, it says "most" but what's "most" mean...  i don't think it's any more specific than that
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: probably means nvidia, ATI, and Intel - because they comprize most of what's out there.
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> mzanfardino: kmediacenter I think.
[10:03] <Cypherix> I wanted to ask a question if possible to the admins, I want to mirror Kubuntu on my servers, I have unlimited bandwidth and a 100Mbit line, who should I contact?
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> !infi kmediafactory | mzanfardino
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> !info kmediafactory | mzanfardino
[10:03] <ubotu> mzanfardino: kmediafactory: template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2330 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> avidemux might too
[10:04] <firecrotch> Odd problem: On my K Menu, nothing on the System menu is highlighted when my mouse is on it.  Works on every other part of the menu
[10:04] <firecrotch> But I can click them
[10:04] <Cypherix> Any one?
[10:05] <mzanfardino> I'm looking at k3v, but it won't let me burn the AVI, only mpeg1 or mpeg 2.  However, there is an emovix option.  What is emovix?
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> Cypherix: ask in #launchpad
[10:05] <Cypherix> alright, thank you.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> Cypherix: hope you have unlimited HD space too :)
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> Cypherix: I keep mirrors of newest stable, and devel versions for i386, not even src packages, and I think feisty binary i386 is 16G
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> owell, gotta run - later.
[10:07] <Cypherix> LeeJunFan, I have just under 950GB online, but I can always add more harddrives to my server :)
[10:08] <yaccin> how can i enable the scroll-wheel of my wacom-tablet?
[10:10] <ar> nice evening, ive got some API Missmatch XModules / Kernel - different versions. Perhaps someone knows a way to fix it.
[10:11] <bonbonthejon> !bcm43xx
[10:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:12] <Daskreech> How do I find out which Konqui window coressponds to a particualr PID ?
[10:13] <yaccin> !wacom
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <Daskreech> I have a konqueror process taking up 20% of my CPU and I want to find out what it's doing
[10:15] <mzanfardino> ok, how about this: what can I use to convert an AVI to an MPEG1 or MPEG2 file format?
[10:15] <Bauldrick> Can someone please explain how to get dvd's to play - I have installed libdvdcss2 w32codecs etc... But all I get is the sound of the movie and a blue screen?
[10:15] <Daskreech> !find avi2
[10:15] <ubotu> Package/file avi2 does not exist in edgy
[10:16] <pynsa> hola
[10:16] <pynsa> how can i generate a 1gb file (with dummy data, the only thing that matters is the size) very fast?
[10:16] <miltos> anyone with a crypto mpeg card  with kubuntu?
[10:18] <mzanfardino> !avi
[10:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:18] <Daskreech> mzanfardino: Whats up with your AVI?
[10:19] <CryoTox> I'm trying to run syslinux and I get the error:
[10:19] <CryoTox> sh: mcopy: command not found
[10:19] <CryoTox> syslinux: failed to create ldlinux.sys
[10:19] <Bauldrick> LOL - cheers I've read and done these pages for the last 24hrs
[10:19] <CryoTox> Any way I can fix this?
[10:20] <LjL> pynsa: dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1024 count=1M
[10:20] <pynsa> thx LjL :)
[10:20] <mzanfardino> Daskreech: I have an AVI file that I'd like to burn to a CD for the purposes of playing back in my DVD player.  I had thought I could use k3b to create a video CD (which I can) but I need to have an MPEG1 or MPEG2 file, not AVI.  So I wanted to convert the AVI to MPEG1 or MPEG2 and then burn it.
[10:21] <Daskreech> ah. Hmm
[10:21] <mzanfardino> Daskreech: I installed kmediafactory, but this utility appears to be specific to burning DVD's.
[10:22] <mzanfardino> Daskreech: I can import the AVI file, but kmediafactory says the resulting DVD will be 4+GB, which might be right (the source is 500+mb) if it's converted, I don't know.  But I thought I'd convert the file myself and see what I end up with.
[10:22] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, you can convert fairly easily
[10:22] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: go on! :)
[10:23] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, transcode, and mplex
[10:23] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: I was looking at transcode, but the man file made it seem to require some complex definitions concerning the source and destination files.
[10:24] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: and apt-cache search mplex returns no actual mplex app...
[10:24] <miltos> anyone with a Crypto TV mpeg card  with kubuntu?
[10:24] <mzanfardino> miltos !ask
[10:25] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, yes it is rather complex... this site does a decent job at explaining... : http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/AVI_to_DVD
[10:25] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, the step before dvd is having it in mpeg
[10:26] <miltos> i can't make my Crypto TV mpeg card to work under Kubuntu...
[10:26] <PupenoR> How do I see the speeds of the network cards of a computer?
[10:27] <Lam_> how do i reset/restart the OSS sound driver?
[10:27] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: ok, I'm reading it now (thank you for the link).  let me play with the conversion and see what I get.
[10:29] <timster> How can i tell KDE Wallet to automaticly open, because it asks me for my password everytime I use kopete and tis annoyin
[10:29] <mzanfardino> timster: good question, I find the same thing...
[10:30] <PupenoR> timster: set an empty password.
[10:30] <timster> !multiverse
[10:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:30] <beta> !mac
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <miltos> i can't make my Crypto TV mpeg card to work under Kubuntu...anyone with this TV card that make it work?
[10:31] <beta> how do i launch java .jar files?
[10:32] <jermain> hi everyone
[10:32] <jermain> i have a question:
[10:33] <Dasnipa`> beta, java -jar <file>
[10:33] <timster> Could someone tell me which repositories VirtualBoyAdvanced is in?
[10:33] <jermain> i want to list all my MP3's recursively so i wrote
[10:33] <jermain> ls -R | grep *.mp3 | less
[10:33] <jermain> but it only lists the mp3 in the current file
[10:34] <jermain> *directory
[10:34] <Dasnipa`> you could use find *.mp3
[10:34] <LjL> "grep *.mp3" is wrong
[10:34] <LjL> grep expects a regular expression, not a shell pattern
[10:34] <Fizzbane> Hello i have amarok with a soundblaster audigy SE with logictech 7.1 speakers. How do i set up my surround sound through my sound card?
[10:34] <jermain> :o
[10:34] <LjL> Dasnipa`: that won't work either
[10:34] <LjL> it's   find -name "*.mp3"
[10:34] <Dasnipa`> ah yeah -name
[10:34] <Dasnipa`> right
[10:34] <LjL> or find | grep -i mp3 if you like
[10:35] <jermain> ahh thank you!
[10:35] <tara> wow, wtf do people do in here with all the quits 'n joins
[10:36] <mzanfardino> tara: filter them out
[10:36] <timster> Which Repo is VirtualBoyAdvanced in?
[10:36] <timster> And can I get that reppo on 6.06
[10:37] <LjL> !visualboyadvance
[10:37] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-6 (edgy), package size 581 kB, installed size 2260 kB
[10:38] <timster> edgy? So no Dapper support
[10:38] <LjL> !visualboyadvance dapper
[10:38] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-4build1 (dapper), package size 793 kB, installed size 2684 kB
[10:38] <timster> !component-universe
[10:39] <LjL> !universe
[10:39] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:39] <beta> Dasnipa: thx
[10:39] <mzanfardino> how do I boost the priority (not sure if this is the right terminology, stealing from windows (gasp)) of a specific task?
[10:40] <LjL> mzanfardino: "man renice"
[10:40] <jermain> Skuller: lets as LjL which he prefers
[10:40] <jermain> i bet its cookies
[10:40] <LjL> mzanfardino: and use "nice" to *start* a program with a given priority
[10:40] <timster> Is component Universe the same as Universe
[10:41] <LjL> not the same as "Universe" as in "the thing stars and planets reside in", no
[10:41] <Skuller> jermain: lol...ok u got me there....
[10:41] <timster> Dw I got it
[10:41] <jermain> :)
[10:41] <Skuller> k m off guys..catchya l8r
[10:41] <jermain> bye skuller
[10:41] <Skuller> bye man
[10:42] <jermain> nothing beats home made cookies. NOTHING!
[10:42] <jermain> afk
[10:42] <timster> Is visualboyadvanced not gui then?
[10:43] <miltos> i can't make my Crypto TV mpeg card to work under Kubuntu...anyone with this TV card that make it work?
[10:43] <Fizzbane> should i use this guide to get my soundblaster SE to work on my edgy kubuntu even though its for breezy? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToConfigureSoundBlasterAudigySEinBreezy
[10:43] <mzanfardino> LjL: reading the man I'm hung up on the last paragraph concerning whether or not increasing or decreasing the priority wil speed up the application.  If I increase the priority, the process should take more cpu and thus complete more quickly, yes?
[10:43] <timster> What app searches for new programs again?
[10:43] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Should work.
[10:43] <LjL> mzanfardino, using a *low* number means giving the program a *higher* priority, which in turn means it will use *more* CPU time
[10:44] <mzanfardino> LjL: thanks.  That's what I was getting confused on.
[10:44] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Just keep track of what you do in case you want to un-do it.  If you find anything that needs to be updated, submit it.
[10:44] <Fizzbane> k thanks mate
[10:44] <LjL> mzanfardino: never give a program a value lower than 0 unless you really know what you're doing, otherwise you could end up with a locked up system
[10:44] <Fizzbane> k i will do
[10:44] <LjL> mzanfardino: (that's because if you give a CPU-hungry program too much CPU time, it'll starve the other programs)
[10:45] <Fizzbane> I can get sound through my card but i want surround sound for my 5.1 speakers
[10:46] <mzanfardino> LjL: ok. now, how do I see the current priority for a specific task?  is there a ps parameter?  (I've been using ps aux | grep taskname to find the pid...
[10:47] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Hm.  What version of alsa do you have now?
[10:47] <mzanfardino> I suppose I could use top and look for my task.
[10:48] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: i have no idea
[10:48] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: dpkg -l alsa*
[10:49] <Fizzbane> no star though
[10:49] <Fizzbane> ummm
[10:50] <LjL> mzanfardino: hm, ps aux shows if a program has been reniced (there's a N somewhere), not sure if it shows the priority
[10:50] <beta> question: why do you hvae to compile a source if you dont give any parmeters anyway...just ./configure, make, sudo make install ?
[10:50] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: i have alsa-base 1.0.11-5, alsa-utils 1.0.11-6
[10:51] <jhutchins> Ok, if you look at that guid, you'll see that it's telling you how to build 1.0.11-5 or later - which you already have.
[10:51] <LjL> mzanfardino: anyway, all user-started processes normally get a priority of 0, while some system processes may get a negative number by default
[10:51] <mzanfardino> how do I determine what ports I have open/closed?
[10:52] <LjL> mzanfardino: install "nmap" and do "nmap localhost"
[10:52] <Fizzbane> i dont have alsa though
[10:52] <mzanfardino> LjL: I just used top to see the priority, thanks
[10:52] <LjL> mzanfardino: or just do "netstat -l"
[10:52] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Which model card do you have?
[10:52] <Fizzbane> soundblaster SE
[10:52] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: alsa's just a container.
[10:52] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Which model?
[10:52] <Fizzbane> umm hold on
[10:53] <LjL> mzanfardino: also keep in mind that any user can renice a process to a *higher* value (i.e. lower priority), but only root can make it a *lower* value (higher priority)
[10:53] <LjL> mzanfardino: so once you renice a process to - say - 10, only root can put it back to 0
[10:54] <Fizzbane> soundblaster SE 7.1
[10:55] <Bauldrick> Can't play DVD's - what is going on?!!!!!!!!?
[10:55] <mzanfardino> LjL: yeah, I read that in the man under bugs... :)
[10:56] <LjL> hm, it's called a bug?
[10:56] <LjL> i *honestly* always thought of it as a feature
[10:56] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: what does cat /proc/asound/cards show?
[10:56] <jermain> im going too, thanx again for the help i got here!
[10:56] <mzanfardino> LjL: I reniced my transcode process to -10 hoping to see a little faster fps... but alas no difference... :P
[10:57] <LjL> mzanfardino, if you have no other CPU-hungry processes running besides transcode, it's unlikely to make much of a difference. i mean - the only difference it might make is that the rest of your system becomes unusably sluggish
[10:57] <timster> I found a windows virus in a torrent file
[10:57] <Fizzbane> Audigy SE [SB0570]  at 0xa000 irq 66
[10:57] <timster> Ill keep it for someone
[10:57] <mzanfardino> LjL: yeah, in the BUGS it states that users can't decrease the priority even on processes they themself increased.
[10:58] <LjL> mzanfardino: renice is really useful when you have one CPU-hungry process, and you don't want it to make the rest of the system sluggish, so you renice it
[10:58] <LjL> mzanfardino: well yes, that is true, i suppose it might be considered a bug... but it's one that's unlikely to even be "fixed", i think :)
[10:58] <mzanfardino> LjL: yeah, I think I might have been thinking that it would somehow dedicate more CPU to the task, which I suppose it will, but only relative to other tasks using CPU ticks... I'm at my maximum return on CPU ticks evidently.
[10:59] <mzanfardino> LjL: I agree, I don't think you want the user to be able to set priorities that would otherwise hose a system.  I don't think it should be listed as a bug either.  It'd be too easy to clober a functional system that way.
[10:59] <LjL> mzanfardino, you certainly have other tasks using the CPU as well, but none of them will come even *close* to the amount that transcode is using. so no practical difference. also, the system *must* still give the other processes at least *some* CPU, otherwise the whole system would just freeze
[11:00] <LjL> mzanfardino: well, if the user had reniced the process to begin with, it probably makes sense for him to be able to renice it back. but i think that's not the case in just about any Unix on earth
[11:00] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: Audigy SE [SB0570]  at 0xa000 irq 66
[11:01] <mzanfardino> LjL: well, yes, of course the CPU is being shared among all open processes, that goes without question.  It's clear though that the majority of processes aren't taking a significant amount of process cycles to impede transcode, so as to be negligible (the deltax is insignificant at this point)...
[11:02] <Daskreech> How do I find out which Konqui window coressponds to a particualr PID ?
[11:02] <LjL> mzanfardino: precisely
[11:02] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: So this thing's supposed to have 8 output channels, right?  6+1+1?
[11:03] <mzanfardino> LjL: man states there is some disagreement between linux libc and linux kernel as to what the specifics of the systemcall interface should be set to...
[11:03] <yacoob> Hi. How do I add a new chart to ksysguard on the panel?
[11:03] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: if you mean plugs then it has 4
[11:03] <LjL> mzanfardino: so, disagreements between Torvalds and Stallman. nothing new under the sun, is there :)
[11:04] <mzanfardino> LjL: heh... nice (pun intended)
[11:04] <LjL> =)
[11:04] <JohnFlux> yacoob: click the little up arrow that appears when you hover over it
[11:04] <JohnFlux> yacoob: then chose configure
[11:04] <JohnFlux> yacoob: and increase the number of displays by one
[11:05] <mzanfardino> LjL: tell me, can you direct me to a good souce of information on compiling my own kernel?  I think I"m ready to tackle compiling a custom kernel and I haven't found any really good information...
[11:05] <yacoob> JohnFlux, yeah, but new display is empty and there doesn't seem to be context menu to configure it :)
[11:05] <JohnFlux> yacoob: then right click an existing display ,and chose launch System Guard
[11:05] <Daisuke_Ido> what *real* benefit is there to compiling your own kernel?
[11:05] <LjL> mzanfardino, depends what you define "good" i suppose...
[11:05] <LjL> !kernel
[11:05] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:05] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: meant to have three pairs of speakers, plus a center channel and a subwoofer.
[11:05] <mzanfardino> selective driver binding, for one
[11:05] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a subjective "it feels faster" aspect, yeah
[11:05] <JohnFlux> yacoob: then from the sensor browser you can drag a sensor from that onto the empty square
[11:05] <MarcC> can I kill kded? It has locked up my desktop
[11:06] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido: you can enable or disable compile-time options
[11:06] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Are you running 64B?
[11:06] <LjL> like kernel preemption for instance
[11:06] <yacoob> JohnFlux, heh, this is where I got wrong idea. I was trying to drag readymade plots instead of sensors :))
[11:06] <mzanfardino> essential my thought is to strip the kernel down to the bare bones and reduce overhead/space
[11:06] <yacoob> I guess I'm not type of the user ksysguard is friendly with :D
[11:06] <JohnFlux> yacoob: the interface is pretty sucky
[11:06] <JohnFlux> yacoob: :-)
[11:06] <Daskreech> yacoob:
[11:06] <LjL> mzanfardino, keep in mind anyway that the Ubuntu kernel is *quite* modular. lots of stuff that isn't being used isn't *loaded* to begin with
[11:06] <JohnFlux> yacoob: It's something I'm working on for kde4
[11:06] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: yes it can do that and im running 32bit kubuntu on my amd X2 which supports both 32 and 64
[11:06] <Daskreech> what do you mean on the panel?
[11:07] <mzanfardino> for instance if I want to build a telephony switch, do I really need extraneous drivers/processes loaded?
[11:07] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: kicker
[11:07] <mzanfardino> LjL: that's a good point
[11:07] <JohnFlux> yacoob: what do you want to watch btw?
[11:07] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: You can get Ksys On the Kicker?
[11:07] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: sure
[11:07] <yacoob> JohnFlux, network activity.
[11:07] <Daskreech> how?
[11:08] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: right click on kicker anywhere, panel menu, add applet
[11:08] <LjL> mzanfardino, no, but they won't hurt either. well, the processes might hurt, but there's not really any processes that the kernel runs and that you can disable... still anyway, the principle of "least code = least bugs" is valid, and in the case of a telephony switch, you're probably right to say that a custom compile would be good practice
[11:08] <JohnFlux> then it's called system monitor or something
[11:08] <yacoob> every kicker plot is in fact just a two state switch
[11:08] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: This is the only useful stuff I've found so far: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2056491
[11:08] <Daskreech> Ah. Not nearly as useful as I thought
[11:08] <Daskreech>  never mind
[11:08] <yacoob> 'something is happening' vs 'fine here'
[11:08] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: what would be useful?
[11:09] <jhutchins> I gotta go feed horses.
[11:09] <Daskreech> PIDs
[11:09] <yacoob> but that's exactly the type of information that I want to keep at the perimeter :)
[11:09] <Daskreech> jhutchins: Hay!
[11:09] <Fizzbane> k thanks
[11:09] <enzo_> I upgraded my desktop's hdd from 250GB to 500GB. I can't seem to load GRUB from the MBR. It freezes. Any suggestions?
[11:09] <Daskreech> I wish I could pop up a PID :(
[11:10] <mzanfardino> LjL: I like the idea of building a very specific solution for a very specific problem.  If I'm going to have a box sitting in a closet expected to run 24/7 I want the least opportunity for extraneous process failure to cause a problem.  Just a thought.  I'm no were near ready to do that, but I need to start somewhere...
[11:10] <yacoob> enzo_, I thought all modern bioses are fine with booting from far regions of the disc...
[11:10] <mzanfardino> LjL: my other project is to build a media DVR which I'd also like to be tight and clean
[11:11] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: Know how I can tie a PID to a particular window Unless I just kill suspend them one by one?
[11:11] <LjL> mzanfardino, i *have* a 24/7 Debian box (headless, keyboardless) i use as my home server. i run debian testing on it. it's certainly not critical - this is just a house after all - but unless i play around with it and make a mistake, it's *very* unlikely to go down spontaneously...
[11:11] <enzo_> yacoob: I don't know what is going on. I have winxp and kubuntu edgy on the hdd and did a direct ghost from old to new hdd. I even copied the MBR.
[11:11] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: you can't - it's something I'm actually working on right now heh
[11:11] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: for what reason?
[11:12] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: So wait for KDE4? :-)
[11:12] <Daskreech> I have a konqueror process taking up 20% of my CPU and I want to find out what it's doing
[11:12] <yacoob> plotting.
[11:12] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: well maybe 4.1 :-)
[11:12] <Daskreech> I have like 14 Konqueror windows open
[11:12] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: hmm, konqueror windows tend to share a process though
[11:12] <mzanfardino> LjL: that's actually the first step in what I'm planning to do...  Now, when you say it's headless and keyboadless, you had to have keyboard and video support during the initial install, yes?  I mean, of course you did.  Do you just exclude the modules once you've installed the base system (and us SSH to login) or is there another technique?
[11:12] <enzo_> I don't know what is going on. I have winxp and kubuntu edgy on the hdd and did a direct ghost from old to new hdd. I even copied the MBR. It appears that I don't have GRUB on the MBR or any info for that matter.
[11:12] <jhutchins> Daskreech: top
[11:13] <Daskreech> jhutchins: how does that help?
[11:13] <yacoob> JohnFlux, speaking of user-friendliness, until recently I was fine off with sawfish + naked xterm, you can imagine my being lost here :)
[11:13] <jhutchins> Daskreech: Tells you which process is using the cpu.
[11:13] <Daskreech> I have 10 processes
[11:13] <Daskreech> jhutchins: I know that. I want to know which Window is which process
[11:13] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: yeah you just can't do what you want to do sorry :/
[11:13] <LjL> mzanfardino: oh, i meant to say but i forgot -- yeah, i just use the bog standard Debian kernel
[11:14] <LjL> mzanfardino: i used to have a custom-compiled one (but yeah, it did have video and keyboard support anyway... i do plug in a monitor when i really need to), but it wasn't worth the effort
[11:14] <DisabledDuck> does anyone know of an application to convert mp3s to ogg?
[11:14] <F0O> nig
[11:14] <F0O> plz
[11:15] <jhutchins> Daskreech: I have 126 processes.
[11:15] <F0O> LjL
[11:15] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: Guess it's time to Ctrl+Z like crazy then :)
[11:15] <jhutchins> Daskreech: Top will give you the pid, track it down with ps ax.
[11:15] <Daskreech> jhutchins: How many bash processes?
[11:15] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: yeah
[11:15] <mzanfardino> LjL: so, if I've got it straight in my head, one would install kernal (w/ kb and vid support), ssh into box, remove kb and vid support and then remove hw if one wanted to truely headless/keyboardless box...
[11:15] <jhutchins> Daskreech: three
[11:16] <Daskreech> jhutchins: Man I need a geek :-(
[11:16] <enzo_> Super GRUB Disk keeps freezing
[11:16] <yacoob> btw, is there some kde4 live cd? :)
[11:16] <Daskreech> jhutchins: You don't have any processes where a lot of them are the same
[11:16] <JohnFlux> yacoob: we're not even close to that :-)
[11:16] <Daskreech> yacoob: Nothing to see
[11:16] <mzanfardino> LjL: and of course, you'd have to fix your IP address... ensure all security measures where sufficient for general purposes, etc.
[11:16] <yacoob> aha :D
[11:16] <jhutchins> Daskreech: Seriously, run top, see which pid is using the most CPU, ps axw | grep <pid>, and it should even tell you the URL.
[11:16] <Daskreech> yacoob: Plus KDE doesn't ship CDs
[11:16] <yacoob> Daskreech, well, 'twas a shortcut
[11:17] <Daskreech> jhutchins: Hmm ok
[11:17] <LjL> mzanfardino, problem is, i trust Debian to provide me with security patches *way* more than i trust myself to recompile the kernel every time a patch comes out
[11:17] <jhutchins> yacoob: Unreleased KDE is REALLY, REALLY unstable stuff.
[11:17] <jhutchins> yacoob: Not a good idea unless you can patch code.
[11:17] <yacoob> it's just that there's quite a hype about kde4, and it would be lovely to have some way of checking it out without blowing up your own system :>
[11:17] <mzanfardino> LjL: point taken! :)
[11:17] <jhutchins> yacoob: Patience.
[11:17] <yacoob> jhutchins, the patching is not a problem for me, the content of the patch - that would be another story :D
[11:18] <mzanfardino> damn transcode is STILL running...
[11:18] <beta> is there a default folder in the linux file structure where your own compiled/build deb packages should go?
[11:18] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: also you can do:   dcop konqueror-6196 konqueror-mainwindow#1 currentURL
[11:18] <mzanfardino> hmmm... if the video is 70 minutes in length, and transcode is converting at ~10.5fps... is it going to take like 3 hours to convert?
[11:18] <yacoob> beta, if you're doing it like ./debian/rules binary then it's .. :)
[11:19] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: replace 6196 with the url
[11:19] <mzanfardino> beta: /usr/local/src
[11:19] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: replace 6196 with the pid
[11:19] <yacoob> anyway, after I switched from spartan sawfish, I found kde to be nicer - more tightly integrated within itself
[11:19] <Daskreech> Ahh cool that's kinda what I was looking for
[11:19] <jhutchins> yacoob: Hang in #kde-dev for a bit and have a look at what they deal with.
[11:19] <beta> yacoob: where would i have to put em then?
[11:20] <Skuller> how do i get a different kicker?
[11:20] <yacoob> beta, ah, I misunderstood you. You asked where should your package place files at the fs structure?
[11:20] <JohnFlux> mzanfardino: it's probably only 30 fps or so
[11:20] <Daskreech> jhutchins, JohnFlux: haha They give two different URLS :)
[11:20] <beta> mzanfardino: isnt this for the sources? i meant the .deb packages you build after you compiled the sources
[11:21] <mzanfardino> beta: sorry, misunderstood
[11:21] <yacoob> :D
[11:21] <Daskreech> Found it thought
[11:21] <Daskreech> though
[11:21] <blueyed> Riddell: Looking at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade I wonder if there's something to test, when you're already on feisty? (I've dist-upgraded some months ago)
[11:21] <mzanfardino> beta: I haven't read anywhere that there is a default path one should use.
[11:21] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: his will get you the url that you launched it with
[11:21] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: mine will give the url it's currently viewing
[11:21] <yacoob> beta, so my answer stays, if you're building package it should appear one leve above the source directory
[11:21] <beta> my bad most likely....my english is quiet poor unfortunetely
[11:21] <beta> quite
[11:21] <Skuller> hey guys if someone is free can they tell me how to change my default kicker?
[11:21] <Daskreech> Ahhhh I opened that two weeks ago. How do they expect me to remember that?
[11:21] <Daskreech> FOund it though
[11:22] <Daskreech>  THANKS!
[11:22] <mzanfardino> JohnFlux: right, so if the video is at 30fps and I'm converting at 10fps, is it reasonable to assume the convertion will take x3 longer than the run time of the video?
[11:22] <JohnFlux> mzanfardino: yep
[11:22] <JohnFlux> mzanfardino: 10fps is pretty slow :/
[11:22] <mzanfardino> JohnFlux: bah!
[11:22] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: oh super cool look for KDE4 BTW
[11:23] <mzanfardino> beta: you english appears fine to me.
[11:23] <beta> thx
[11:23] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: which one? :)
[11:23] <Daskreech> The first one
[11:23] <Daskreech> Which one did you go with>
[11:23] <Daskreech> ?
[11:23] <JohnFlux> i don't know what you're refering to
[11:23] <mzanfardino> beta: it is, however, easy to be misunderstood in these channels, especially when you are having to learn the correct terminology.
[11:24] <Skuller> !kicker
[11:24] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[11:24] <AssafKed> yo
[11:24] <mzanfardino> beta: as for deb files though, once they are installed there is no further reference to them (so far as I know), so I can't imagine it should make any difference where you store them.
[11:24] <AssafKed> n00b quest - how's kde 4 coming:P
[11:24] <AssafKed> :)
[11:24] <AssafKed> ?
[11:24] <yacoob> AssafKed, slowly but surely, according to my observations 8)
[11:25] <AssafKed> mzanfardino, not true
[11:25] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: no?
[11:25] <AssafKed> i think synaptic shows 'em listed as other
[11:25] <AssafKed> no mzan. thanks yacoob
[11:25] <AssafKed> lemme check, am new but getting the hang
[11:25] <Daskreech> AssafKed: just do what I do
[11:26] <AssafKed> synaptic's default view shows lotsa stuff
[11:26] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: I'm new too, so I'm interested in the relevance once you've created and installed (say via dpkg) your own deb
[11:26] <Daskreech> convince yourself it's 3 years down the road and just be gretly surprised when it comes out
[11:26] <AssafKed> dask, regarding k?
[11:26] <Daskreech> KDE4
[11:26] <beta> mzanfardino: uhm, no further reference? not to misunterstand you once more....the dependendcies will still get prroved when installing the .dep packages via apt-get?
[11:26] <AssafKed> one sec
[11:26] <AssafKed> lol, thanks dark:)
[11:26] <AssafKed> lol. comm is too friendly, user overflowed:P
[11:26] <mzanfardino> beta: hand on a sec, assafked and I are discussing this very issue
[11:26] <mzanfardino> beta: hang
[11:27] <beta> thx, no prob.
[11:28] <AssafKed> just a tick
[11:28] <AssafKed> looking up a .deb i instalaled
[11:28] <mzanfardino> Let me through it out there, since beta, assafked and I seem to be dancing around the same topic.  When you install a .deb file, is there a) a need to keep it around and b) where is the best place to store it?  I was under the impression that once installed the .deb is no longer required... am I wrong (assafked says I am)?
[11:29] <AssafKed> kool
[11:29] <AssafKed> it's under status
[11:29] <AssafKed> local or obsolete
[11:29] <AssafKed> in synaptic
[11:29] <AssafKed> goddamn it, as a tech guy i'm pretty much in love with synaptic
[11:29] <AssafKed> why ain't it svu?
[11:29] <DisabledDuck> if i disable the klipper clipboard tool can i still copy and paste?
[11:29] <Skuller> !info kicker
[11:29] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[11:29] <AssafKed> oh i misunderstood you
[11:30] <AssafKed> thought you were looking for in apt referrence to what u installed
[11:30] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: I may have misunderstood beta! :)
[11:30] <AssafKed> my bad mzan
[11:30] <AssafKed> cool, hoped i helped any:)
[11:30] <AssafKed> what's a good start to compiling?
[11:30] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: np.
[11:31] <AssafKed> what's a good studio to load source packages automatically and be able yet not required to fiddle with 'em then build?
[11:32] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: quit being pendantic... you should have said automath... :)
[11:32] <AssafKed> cool, will check it out and odds are i soon will:)
[11:32] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: and I think it would be autodidactic anyway...
[11:33] <AssafKed> nah,... my mind precesses are of an autodidactic nature. i on the other hand, possesing the attribute by relation to them, am autodidactive myself
[11:33] <AssafKed> and full o' myself, too:P will be cool to translate some apps though
[11:34] <AssafKed> i wanna get somethin' like an israeli mepis running:)
[11:34] <AssafKed> give the people office solitaire and por... internets:P
[11:34] <beta> assafked: as you mentioned it....i actually was wondering if there was a reference to all the packages i have currently installed on my system via apt
[11:34] <_nano_> is there a way to boot into an existing installation using alternate install CD?
[11:34] <AssafKed> should be if all was apt-gotten
[11:35] <AssafKed> think wget is recorded too as it's used by apt no?
[11:35] <AssafKed> yeah console if it's available
[11:35] <AssafKed> and assuming you can compile/load all modules of the other installer
[11:35] <beta> ok, thx...
[11:35] <AssafKed> livecds use source packages to save place. friggin' neat
[11:36] <_nano_> AssafKed: was that a response to my query?
[11:36] <AssafKed> no to beta
[11:36] <AssafKed> nano reading up
[11:36] <_nano_> AssafKed: thanks :)
[11:36] <krato>  Hi everybody! I have a little trouble with "Kubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" - Release i386" standard CD version (not alternative version)... I have trouble with installer, when I decided witch partition mount to witch mount point in mount table dialog I obtain error message that I didn't set root filesystem but I set it. Here is two screenshots:
[11:36] <krato> My partitions: http://files.kratosoft.com/linux%20problems/snapshot1.png
[11:36] <AssafKed> my bad nano to u
[11:36] <AssafKed> haven't irc'ed in ages
[11:36] <krato> Mount table dialog: http://files.kratosoft.com/linux%20problems/snapshot2.png
[11:36] <krato> What I'm doing wrong?
[11:37] <soulrider> krato: just a sec
[11:37] <AssafKed> fuse or the like up?
[11:37] <krato> soulrider, ok.
[11:38] <soulrider> krato: i was having the same problem today while installing you know
[11:38] <soulrider> what i did was make sure they werent mounted
[11:38] <soulrider> and then format the ones i needed with qtparted
[11:38] <soulrider> and again try to install, it worked after that
[11:38] <AssafKed> had it on a kubuntu install but not ubuntu
[11:39] <AssafKed> how about  getting ubuntu first then the metapackage?
[11:39] <soulrider> AssafKed: you wanna install kubuntu ?
[11:40] <krato> soulrider, thanks, I will check if I don't have mounted them...
[11:40] <rejeep> Hi! I'm looking for a file / package where there's preferences about them! Anyone?
[11:41] <rejeep> * preferences about monitors
[11:41] <Daskreech> rejeep: That makes no sense
[11:41] <Daskreech> ah ok
[11:41] <soulrider> rejeep: like to set them up ?
[11:41] <Daskreech> What kind of prefrences?
[11:41] <krato> AssafKed, What I need is Ubuntu with KDE so I choiced Kubuntu :) ... If I have solution for my problem I will be satisfied with kubuntu.
[11:41] <DisabledDuck> does anyone know of a good Python IDE?
[11:42] <Daskreech> Kate!! :)
[11:42] <rejeep> Horizontal and vertical sync, maximal resolution....
[11:42] <AssafKed> xinerama?
[11:42] <soulrider> krato: i never had issues with the installation, but today i did, dont know why
[11:43] <AssafKed> reinstall the ntfs handler
[11:43] <soulrider> rejeep: theres a small wizard when you reconfigure xorg that you can use to set those things up
[11:43] <AssafKed> and add to the session file a mount
[11:43] <_nano_> I don't intend to install GRUB on MBR, but need to boot into a freshly installed ubuntu for creating a bootfile. Is there a way to boot into my ubuntu partition using alternate install CD?
[11:44] <rejeep> soulrider: I have tried that but that doesn't help... I need the list...
[11:44] <soulrider> _nano_: maybe chroot, but i have no idea of how to use it
[11:44] <_nano_> soulrider: thanks
[11:44] <Daskreech> _nano_: Say again what's the setup?
[11:46] <_nano_> alright, i have a new thinkpad. The problem is I can't mess with the MBR (to preserve the recovery functionality that comes along with it). Hence I need to use the windows bootloader. And write the grub on the linux partition. I need to boot into the linux partition to creat a ubuntu boot file for the windows bootloader to use.
[11:46] <_nano_> all i have is the alternate install CD
[11:48] <_nano_> so you see, i need a way to boot into the freshly installed ubuntu partition without grub
[11:48] <_nano_> so i was wondering if anyone could give me an pointers regarding this
[11:49] <_nano_> Daskreech: there I've explained the issue above
[11:51] <Daskreech> _nano_: No Way to get the Live CD?
[11:51] <ubuntu_> @nano I have two thinkpads and just wiped the recovery partitions.  .. it is easy to get all the driver etc from the ibm internet site, you could use dd to copy the partition to a file using a live cd
[11:52] <Adam_> I think you can put grub on a floppy/usb/cd and use that.
[11:52] <_nano_> Daskreech: Unfortunately i don't have access to a burner (nor do I have blank CDs :( )
[11:52] <Adam_> if you don't want to go downloading 600mb of liveCD
[11:53] <_nano_> Adam_: USB drive? thats a good idea
[11:53] <Adam_> _nano_: Will your comp boot from usb key?
[11:53] <_nano_> Adam_: I think so, never tried though...
[11:53] <_nano_> Adam_: it's a new laptop..so i guess it should have that functionality
[11:54] <Adam_> OK. Well see if grub can do that, then see if your laptop can.
[11:54] <_nano_> but still ... does this go on to say that the alternate install CD would be of no help
[11:54] <_nano_> i'll try the usb option then
[11:54] <_nano_> thanks a lot guys :)
[11:55] <compilerwriter> Alright folks I ended up resorting to mkdir /mnt/floppy and then mount to mount a floppy.  After I did that the computer made an icon on my desktop.  I have right clicked and asked the machine to unmount it, but I don't think it has done so.  What advice have you for me?
[11:56] <zerak> is it a known bug or is it just incompatible that makes my copy-paste (middle mouse and ctrl + c ) sometimes (quite often) double paste ?
[11:57] <compilerwriter> Do you have a tempermental rodent zerak?
[11:57] <czaralex> Where can I select programs to autostart at boot up?
[11:57] <zerak> comilerwriter what?
[11:57] <compilerwriter> A mouse is a rodent.
[11:57] <zerak> czaralex controll panel -> advanced panel
[11:57] <joel_> compilerwriter: try the console command "mount", does it say the floppy's still mounted
[11:57] <zerak> compilerwriter no, g7 logitech
[11:58] <zerak> czaralex system services
[11:59] <Jeol_Joel> Damn nickserv... *grumble*
[11:59] <czaralex> zerak: I dont see the option to add a service to that list. Id like to get beryl to start on bootup. Am i looking in the right place?
[11:59] <compilerwriter>  /dev/fd0 on /mnt/floppy type vfat (rw) is listed amongst other things Jeol_Joel.  So I believe it is still mounted.
[12:01] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Appears that it is, and the icon disappeared? Hang on, I'll try this myself...
[12:01] <zerak> czaralex dont know about that, it doesnt show up on the list?
[12:02] <compilerwriter> no Jeol_Joel the icon has not disappeared, and when one clicks on the properties it does say that it is still mounted.
[12:02] <czaralex> zerak: No. sorry. it doesn't.
[12:03] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Oh, by the way, what are you trying to do?
[12:03] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: I suppose the scripts in kde only recognice those mounted by the gui, but I have not tested it yet.
[12:03] <zerak> czaralex dont know then, probably some config file then
[12:03] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: does umount /dev/fd0 work?
[12:04] <compilerwriter> Jeol_Joel I am trying to unmount the damned thing.  Then I would like to figure out what broke such that Kubuntu isn't automounting the thing for me.
[12:04] <czaralex> zerak: okay thanks.
[12:05] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: okay... so what happens if you try unmounting it with umount?
[12:07] <compilerwriter> Jeol_Joel it seems to have unmounted, but I still have the icon on my desktop.
[12:07] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Hmm... I just mounted a floppy with the media:/ layer, and it'll not report it mounted, yet it is....
[12:08] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: This seems broken indeed. Bugzilla?
[12:09] <compilerwriter> JJ I could have sworn the machine automatically mounted a floppy before and removed it when you asked it to.  The last time I had to do that though was in Dapper.
[12:10] <Jeol_Joel> "/dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/fd0" it says, no shit... I just did that.
[12:11] <compilerwriter> I don't know if I broke something or if something is just not kosher with edgy and I just happened upon it.
[12:12] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Ah, well... I cant say anything about that, installed this kubuntu first time.


[06:04] <dholbach> good morning
[06:16] <svij> hey dholbach
[06:19] <dholbach> hi svij
[06:45] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij
[06:45] <svij> hi Kilos
[06:45] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[09:34] <popey> \o/ new laptop day \o/ new laptop day \o/ squeeeee new laptop!
[09:34]  * popey downloads an iso
[09:36] <dholbach> nice, which laptop?
[09:38] <tsimonq2> *rubs eyes* wow I went to bed at 5:30 PM...morning all! :D
[09:39] <tsimonq2> popey: what kind? maker? model?
[09:39] <popey> Lenovo T450
[09:39]  * tsimonq2 guesses Thinkpad from the Q&As he has been watching
[09:39] <tsimonq2> AHA!
[09:39] <popey>  😃
[09:39] <popey> Decided to get a 2nd hand one with 2 years warrnty left on it. Much better value than a new one.
[09:40] <tsimonq2> awesome! :D
[09:41] <tsimonq2> popey: this? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t450/
[09:41] <tsimonq2> if so, the specs aren't bad ;)
[09:41] <popey> yeah, 16GB RAM, 250GB SSD
[09:41] <tsimonq2> niiice
[09:42] <tsimonq2> I've never actually used a computer with an SSD...
[09:42]  * tsimonq2 looks at prices
[09:42] <popey> it's hard, once you do, it's hard to go back to spinning rust
[09:42] <dholbach> very nice
[09:42] <tsimonq2> $
[09:42] <tsimonq2> whoops *^
[09:43] <tsimonq2> but same concept ;)
[09:43] <tsimonq2> (an SSD is a lot of money for my budget)
[09:43] <tsimonq2> but I don't have consistent money flowing in, no job or anything, so consider yourself lucky ;D
[09:43] <popey> yeah, depends on capacity and manufacturer, but they are certainly more expensive than spinning rust
[09:43] <popey> yeah, totally
[09:45] <tsimonq2> yeah I see 50-150ish for a lower ended one (in terms of storage) so that's probably easy to get, but I just spent all my money on a Pi 3 kit, which I have to send back because it was DOA... :/
[09:45] <popey> aww :(
[09:46] <tsimonq2> yeah I just hope I'm not too late to send it back on the 30 day warranty
[09:46] <tsimonq2> but hey, it's just $35, and I can find that lying on the ground XD
[09:47] <popey> haha
[09:48] <tsimonq2> I could probably even mine bitcoin for that if I used all of my computer's resources for a couple days
[09:49] <tsimonq2> but then there's taxes I hear and I just don't think it would be worth it...
[09:49] <tsimonq2> whatever I'll just send it back :)
[09:50] <tsimonq2> popey: so what do you think of your laptop so far? have you opened it yet? :D
[09:50] <tsimonq2> and if it runs Windows 10, try out Bash before you switch to Linux :P
[09:51] <popey> haha
[09:51] <tsimonq2> or if you are on 8.1 you might be able to upgrade for free for like a year like they trick you into doing, then you just use Bash for a day, then you have more stuff to talk about when people ask on the Q&A if you have tried Bash on Windows
[09:52] <tsimonq2> because you *know* it's coming ;)
[09:52] <popey> I have no need for Bash on Windows
[09:52] <popey> I'm not the target user.
[09:52] <tsimonq2> not even to try it? aren't you curious about how it runs? :P
[09:55] <tsimonq2> do whatever, just remember that you had the chance and I told you so ;D (if it runs Win 8.1/10)
[09:55] <tsimonq2> anyways
[09:56] <tsimonq2> what *do* you plan on running on it?
[10:46] <popey> tsimonq2: windows 10 already nuked and running ubuntu 16.04 :)
[10:46] <tsimonq2> heheheheh :)
[10:46] <tsimonq2> stock Ubuntu?
[10:46] <popey> yup
[10:47] <tsimonq2> does it work better on an SSD? :P
[10:47] <popey> faster, sure
[10:47] <popey> dholbach: new telegram uploaded to the store if you have some time to review pls.
[10:48] <popey> dholbach: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/1501/rev/16/
[10:48] <tsimonq2> popey: I installed it yesterday in KVM just for the lols and it was really slow, maybe I need to use SPICE graphics...
[10:49] <tsimonq2> because i think it was graphics-related, so later I'll try gain
[10:49] <popey> Stock Ubuntu + Unity needs OpenGL enabled hardware to work best
[10:49] <tsimonq2> *again
[10:49] <tsimonq2> s/ i / I / :P
[10:50] <tsimonq2> yeah well I run LXQt, and it works a lot better on my machine with 16 GB of RAM
[10:50] <tsimonq2> but again I have a 1 TB HDD
[10:50] <tsimonq2> maybe that's the bottleneck...
[11:05] <popey> Never tried LXQt, but I hear it's very lightweight.
[11:13] <dholbach> popey, checking
[11:13] <popey> thanks
[11:15] <tsimonq2> popey: yeah we're hoping for it to relace LXDE in Lubuntu 16.10 or 17.04 (from what I've heard it will be tested and released as a seperate image for 16.10 then as the primary for 17.04) but besides some very trivial quirks they haven't quite gotten to yet, it's a solid desktop
[11:18] <tsimonq2> but it's very usable
[11:20] <popey> Awesome.
[12:59] <dholbach> marcoceppi, can we redeploy the ubucon website? :)
[12:59] <dholbach> AFAIK you were still making some changes to the juju/layers bits?
[13:28] <svij> I would appreciate that :)
[13:42] <dholbach> brb, testing new mir
[14:23] <dholbach> all right... I'm going to lie down for a bit and might be hacking on the developer site a bit later on - if I don't see you around... have a great weekend!