[01:10] <LaserJock> afternoon MOTU Land!
[01:11] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock
[01:12] <nixternal> hiya LaserJock and ajmitch
[01:12] <ajmitch> uh oh
[01:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good to see some more behind motu posts
[01:13] <nixternal> they just showed what they are doing in Sydney for the summit coming up...that is insane
[01:13] <nixternal> yes, we need more behind * stuff...it is interesting...we also need to see pics in those articles...
[01:14] <ajmitch> 'the summit'?
[01:14] <nixternal> ya, something about bush and others meeting in Sydney
[01:14] <LaserJock> nixternal: I did get work area/screenshot
[01:14] <nixternal> yup, I like that :)
[01:14] <LaserJock> I should try to get hackergotchis too I suppose
[01:15] <ajmitch> definitely
[01:15] <nixternal> or at least pics of who the person looks like
[01:15] <ajmitch> which means that you definitely won't get me interviewed :)
[01:15] <nixternal> haha, I like that quit message
[01:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I think I might have something that'll do somewhere ;-)
[01:15] <nixternal> zenrox: nice quite message :)
[01:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: all lies
[01:16] <LaserJock> so, giving KDE another spin today
[01:16] <zenrox> like that
[01:16] <LaserJock> I'm getting kinda tired of all the bugs in Feisty though (not specific to KDE)
[01:17] <LaserJock> I might have to do a fresh install or something
[01:19] <LaserJock> for some reason I stopped being able to logout in Gnome a week or so ago
[01:19] <LaserJock> and it seems that my wifi doesn't come back up after resuming
[01:36] <LaserJock> nixternal: does KDE have any applet/tool that reads /proc/acpi temps?
[01:36] <nixternal> quite a few
[01:36] <nixternal> the best is Kima, it is a kicker applet that shows anything that can be monitored
[01:37] <nixternal> and for a big app, similar to the old motherboard monitor is KSensors
[01:37] <LaserJock> Ksensors doesn't work for me
[01:37] <LaserJock> I just need a little kicker applet
[01:41] <nixternal> with ksensors you need lm_sensors, that's why that doesn't work
[01:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:42] <LaserJock> just installed kima
[01:42] <LaserJock> very nice
[01:42] <LaserJock> why don't we have it in the repos?
[01:42] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/I_DONT_RUN_VISTA.png
[01:42] <nixternal> kima is in the repos
[01:42] <nixternal> see my kima running on the bottom
[01:42] <nixternal> not for feisty maybe
[01:42] <nixternal> !info kima
[01:42] <ubotu> Package kima does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:42] <nixternal> !info kima gutsy
[01:42] <ubotu> kima: kicker monitoring applet. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 114 kB, installed size 448 kB
[01:43] <LaserJock> ah, excellent
[01:43] <nixternal> you gotta install yakuake as well :)
[01:44] <nixternal> no other terminal like it..however 1 note if you are really used to gnome terminal...you can just click on links in it and have it open up in a browser..the closes you can get is to enable klipper to recognize links and provide you with an option to open one
[01:45] <nixternal> the next release of yakuake will have it though
[01:46] <LaserJock> nixternal: how did you get it to do temp in C instead of F
[01:47] <nixternal> I never set my locale to imperial (US)
[01:47] <nixternal> KMenu -> System Settings -> Regional & Language
[01:48] <nixternal> under Country/Region & Language, the other tab has a measure system drop down, I have mine as "Metric"
[01:48] <jmg> so how is kde looking for gutsy? i havent tested it
[01:48] <nixternal> besides KDEPIM being quite broken, it isn't to bad
[01:49] <nixternal> we went back to our roots, and went blue again :)
[01:49] <jmg> when is kdepim not broken?
[01:49] <LaserJock> nixternal: you mean, not purple?
[01:49] <nixternal> true
[01:49] <nixternal> no more purple in gutsy
[01:49] <xtknight> say i have something like this.  http://rafb.net/p/F6tCYz12.html   the newer version in debian just fixes that one thing.  instead of "backporting" that to a 0ubuntu1 version, can't/shouldn't we sync dfsg-2 of libvorbis from debian?
[01:50] <LaserJock> nixternal: bah, why does KDE/QT have to look so darn ugly :-)
[01:50] <nixternal> make it look the way you want
[01:50] <LaserJock> I can't seem to
[01:50] <nixternal> I enjoy the plastik theme..the default KDE theme..I don't need all that shiny and flashy crap
[01:51] <jmg> LaserJock: because your face reflects in the screen
[01:51] <nixternal> KMenu -> System Settings -> Appearance
[01:51] <LaserJock> jmg: hehe, must be
[01:51] <nixternal> jmg: hahahahah, pwnd!
[01:51] <nixternal> that was good
[01:51] <LaserJock> jmg: but I don't have a glossy screen ;-)
[01:51] <nixternal> next time someone says "this DE is ugly" I will get um with that :)
[01:52] <LaserJock> is there a way to compact it all
[01:52] <jmg> LaserJock: because your face is so horrible you have ptsd and your brain actively redacts your viewport to remove it
[01:52] <LaserJock> everything's just too big
[01:52] <nixternal> like the kicker?
[01:52] <LaserJock> like windows, controls, etc.
[01:52] <jmg> :)
[01:53] <nixternal> haha, I was gonna be an ass and say "just run your mouse over a border, click and drag it to the size you want" :p
[01:53] <LaserJock> seems like I've got to scroll windows quite a bit
[01:53] <nixternal> don't know how the windows look to big...mine are fine
[01:53] <nixternal> what resolution are you using?
[01:54] <LaserJock> 1024x768 I think
[01:54] <nixternal> ya, they say KDE is for 1024x768, but I think they are wrong...I know what you are talking about
[01:55] <nixternal> there is a way to shrink stuff down, but I am not positive on how that is...you know the best person to ask about tweaking the look, is Jucato
[01:55] <nixternal> he freakin' knows all of the little kde tweaks
[01:56] <LaserJock> my gosh, you guys seriously need to get ahold of your menus ;-)
[01:56] <nixternal> huh?
[01:56] <LaserJock> they're a mess
[01:56] <nixternal> what is wrong with the menus?
[01:57] <nixternal> mine are beautiful
[01:57] <LaserJock> mine take up the whole screen
[01:57] <LaserJock> are really unorganized
[01:57] <LaserJock> and "More Applications"?
[01:57] <nixternal> I am running at 1280x800 and I don't have that problem at all
[01:57] <LaserJock> who wants to go through all that
[01:58] <nixternal> what is More Applications?
[01:58] <jmg> i see emerald sort of works
[01:58] <nixternal> oh, the bottom of the menu stuff...ya
[01:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: why use menus anyways? every thing that is in your menus can be accessed with katapult
[01:58] <LaserJock> nixternal: in some of the submenus they have a "More Appplications" submenu
[01:58] <nixternal> alt+space and then start typing the app you want to open
[01:59] <LaserJock> cause I don't know what I'm looking for
[01:59] <nixternal> hehe
[01:59] <nixternal> ya, I never understood that "More Applications" thing
[01:59] <nixternal> especially when there is like one app in it at times
[02:01] <nixternal> LaserJock: go into #kubuntu-devel and just rip on kde...see what mhb and daskreach say :)
[02:38] <ryanakca> wwhat would the licence for http://weitz.de/regex-coach/ be?
[02:39] <ScottK> ryanakca: It could go in mulitverse
[02:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: okies
[02:40] <ScottK> Due to the no commercial redistrbution clause in the license.
[02:40] <ryanakca> and in debian/copyright, I just paste his license blurb?
[02:41] <ScottK> Yes
[02:43] <geser> it can't even go to multiverse as it's not redistributable
[02:44] <geser> ryanakca: ^^
[02:45] <ScottK> geser: It is.
[02:45] <ScottK> Wait.  Reads again.
[02:45] <geser> the small license blurb doesn't say it
[02:45] <geser> All Rights Reserved even
[02:45] <ScottK> Right.
[02:45] <ScottK> ryanakca: Geser's right.
[02:49] <geser> ryanakca: visual-regexp seems to be similar to this tool and is already in the archive
[03:34] <ryanakca> geser: ok, thanks :)
[05:11] <RAOF> Does anyone think I'd get anywhere with the texmacs devs complaining about their horrible, horrible, homebrew ui?  I want a gtk2 texmacs, damnit!
[06:52] <TheMuso> 5~5~/c
[06:52] <TheMuso> ugh
[06:54] <RAOF> Wow, it's growing :)
[06:54] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso :)
[07:05] <TheMuso> RAOF: heh
[07:14] <\sh> re
[09:14] <asisak> Good morning
[09:14] <\sh> moins
[09:16] <dholbach> good morning
[09:17] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach
[09:17] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:19] <superm1> \sh, what was wrong with backstep?
[09:20] <\sh> superm1, it can't find the pkg configs for xdamage xcomposite etc....but the deps are there...so I set RENDER_CFLAGS and RENDER_LIBS so it can compile cleanly...seeing that the pkg call for gtk is right and shows all needed libs, i think that's the best workaround right now
[09:20] <superm1> \sh, oh you probably mean for lpia then right?
[09:21] <\sh> superm1, nope...ubuntu...
[09:21] <\sh> superm1, http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/drip_0.9.0-4ubuntu1_gutsy32.buildlog
[09:21] <\sh> aegl
[09:21] <\sh> http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/backstep_0.3-0ubuntu2_gutsy32.buildlog
[09:21] <\sh> that's the right one
[09:22] <superm1> ah
[09:22] <superm1> yea i see looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backstep/0.3-0ubuntu2, it wasn't ever rebuilt for gutsy on any arch except the failed lpia
[09:22] <jmg> backstep?
[09:23] <asisak> !info backstep gutsy | jmg
[09:23] <ubotu> jmg: backstep: Draws icons for minimized windows on your desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 28 kB, installed size 120 kB
[09:23] <\sh> superm1, I'm filing a bug with the debdiff...so it can be uploaded later on
[09:24] <jmg> strange program
[09:24] <superm1> \sh, can you subscribe me on the bug, i'll build/test it in the near future
[09:24] <superm1> jmg, it was quite useful when using Xgl, devilspie, and an extra window manager running above Xgl
[09:25] <jmg> :)
[09:25] <\sh> superm1, you lp name?
[09:26] <superm1> \sh, 'superm1' :)
[09:26] <\sh> *g*
[09:26] <\sh> ah LP is a bit bitchy today
[09:26] <superm1> okay bed for me for a bit, nn.  thx \sh
[09:27] <\sh> superm1, subscribed you and u-u-s
[09:27] <asisak> I can also take care of things while superm1 is sleeping :)
[09:37] <RAOF> I seem to remember a build of emacs with xfont support.  Is there some good reason our emacs22 packages don't seem to have it?
[09:41] <asisak> \sh: should I upload your fix? Or better wait for superm1?
[09:42] <\sh> asisak, well, upload it...if it's not working correctly (what I don't think) I'll fix it anyways :)
[09:46] <asisak> Seems to be an ugly & working hack.
[09:59] <\sh> asisak, correct..but works :)
[09:59] <asisak> Sure :)
[09:59] <\sh> asisak, we have to have look (for hardy e.g.) to fix libxcomposite and friends to play with pkgconfig nicely
[10:00] <asisak> Maybe it would be better to fix it for gutsy as well.
[10:00] <\sh> asisak, when you build this package, you can see that it catches all libs correctly for gtk pkg-config...but not for composite and friends
[10:00] <asisak> So that we can handle possible bugfixes
[10:02] <\sh> asisak, tbh..I think it's more an issue with backstep handling this pkgconfig stuff...when you read the configure.in it's also an ugly hack somehow...I'm not a pkgconfig pro...so it's just a feeling
[10:03] <asisak> Yeah, I had the same feeling. Therefore I suggested to fix pkgconfig once and not hack packages many times ...
[10:24] <\sh> if someone has time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dumputils/+bug/136949 ready for upload ;)
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136949 in dumputils "[FTBFS]  dumputils" [Undecided,New]
[10:27] <\sh> moins ogra
[10:27] <ogra> hey hey
[10:30] <asisak> \sh: don't you consider to become a MOTU again?
[10:31] <\sh> asisak, well, I don't think nobody will cheer for me this time...;)
[10:32] <asisak> You think that nobody would or you don't think that anybody would? :)
[10:32] <\sh> asisak, tbh, I need to become a member first, and that's one of the problems...
[10:33] <asisak> \sh: no. Not any more.
[10:33] <asisak> You can mail the MOTU council and apply for a MOTUship
[10:33] <\sh> without becoming a member?
[10:33] <asisak> (that involves membership as well)
[10:33] <\sh> asisak, let's see...after october ;)
[10:36] <\sh> asisak, if you be so kind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvr/+bug/136951 ;)
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136951 in dvr "[FTBFS]  dvr" [Undecided,New]
[10:37] <asisak> Okay. In fact I have to do a lot of things, but I can dget && pbuilder && dpkg inbetween. So feel free to bug me with FTBFS bugs.
[10:42] <\sh> asisak, well, I subscribe u-u-s all the time...so ;)
[10:43] <asisak> But sure, it is The Right Thing (TM)
[10:45] <asisak> hmm... dvr segfaults if there is no video device
[10:45] <\sh> if it's building, that is more then ok now ;) I can't test dvr, too :(
[10:45] <asisak> \sh: does it work (well) for you?
[10:46] <asisak> Oh. Okay. It is building for sure. Let their users do the testing. Uploading...
[10:55] <\sh> asisak, thx
[10:55] <asisak> \sh: np :)
[11:29] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: for planner, I see that the older gda is still available in main, so why disable support for it?
[11:31] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: we'll drop it from main, if it's still there
[11:32] <TheMuso> dholbach: I see you didn't get around to uploading gnome-speech yet. Mind doing so? http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-speech
[11:32] <dholbach> sorry, you should have asked in #ubuntu-desktop or something
[11:32] <StevenK> TheMuso, dholbach: I can do so in about an hour if you wish
[11:32] <dholbach> no need to be blocked on me
[11:32] <dholbach> TheMuso: will do so
[11:32] <TheMuso> ok
[11:34] <dholbach> TheMuso: no, just ask anybody in #ubuntu-de{vel,sktop} to sponsor
[11:34] <dholbach> or use the normal sponsoring workflow
[11:34] <dholbach> but I'm doing it now :)
[11:34] <TheMuso> ok
[11:37] <dholbach> TheMuso: done
[11:41] <TheMuso> dholbach: Thanks, and sorry for the bother.
[11:41] <dholbach> no, no need to worry :)
[11:59] <\sh> if someone is interested in sponsoring one upload for ftbfs fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gbdfed/+bug/136968 :) if not, u-u-s is subscribed
[11:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136968 in gbdfed "[FTBFS]  gbdfed" [Undecided,New]
[12:13] <asisak> \sh: gbdfed uploaded
[12:16] <\sh> asisak, thx :)
[12:22] <norsetto> g'day all
[12:23] <norsetto> asisak: morning ex-coNP :-)
[12:25] <geser> Hi norsetto
[12:25] <norsetto> geser: hi!
[12:26] <norsetto> I have to confess a big sin ... I moved to kubuntu ;-)
[12:26] <asisak> norsetto: is it for real?
[12:26] <norsetto> asisak: yeah ... still trying to get used to it though
[12:28] <\sh> I wonder how debians QA is working
[12:28] <\sh> test -z "/usr/share/pixmaps" || mkdir -p -- "/build/user/gfpoken-0.29/debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps"
[12:28] <\sh>  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 './png/gfpoken.png' '/build/user/gfpoken-0.29/debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps/gfpoken.png'
[12:28] <\sh> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./png/gfpoken.png': No such file or directory
[12:28] <\sh> and it's really not in the orig.tar.gz
[12:29] <asisak> isn't that in some uuencoded file?
[12:29] <asisak> .diff.gz cannot contain any binary files IIRC
[12:29] <\sh> asisak, nope
[12:29] <\sh> asisak, it's not in debian/ dir as well...so it disappeared somehow...
[12:32] <norsetto> the best for me so far was this package where the guy added an icon and desktop file and only forgot to install them. So after a while and a bug report a new version was out, with the desktop file. And he still forgot the icon :-)
[12:35] <\sh> ah it's fixed already in debian...I file a sync report ;)
[12:35] <\sh> when LP is responding again
[12:36] <norsetto> LP seems to be there for me?
[12:37] <\sh> grmpf...problem on my firefox side...
[12:38] <\sh> (sync) bug 136974 and (upload) bug 136973 :) thx
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136974 in gfpoken "[FTBFS]  gfpoken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136974
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136973 in gdpc "[FTBFS]  gdpc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136973
[12:51] <asisak> cd debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps \
[12:51] <asisak>                 && pngtopnm gfpoken.png | ppmtoxpm -name icon > gfpoken.xpm
[12:51] <asisak> pngtopnm: gfpoken.png - No such file or directory
[12:51] <asisak> ppmtoxpm: EOF / read error reading magic number
[12:51] <asisak> make: *** [install-stamp]  Error 1
[12:51] <asisak> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[12:51] <asisak> \sh: ^^^
[12:52] <asisak> that is sudo pbuilder the gfpoken_0.30-1.dsc [on gutsy]
[12:52] <asisak> gotta go for now, be back later in the afternoon
[12:52] <\sh> asisak, argl...it should be fixed by this bug report
[12:53] <\sh> ok...I'll fix it manually...grmpf
[12:54] <\sh> does anybody know what the replacement header of awe_voice.h is?
[01:00] <\sh> lol...the xpm is not even in the diff.gz of debian ;)
[01:06] <white> ajmitch: regarding #435936, i got someone from the testing-security team who wants to nmu it, but i wanted to ask you first
[01:17] <white> am I right, when I assume that wine would probably not be running medieval war2?
[01:18] <norsetto> white: did you check the wine db?
[01:19] <white> yes
[01:36] <RAOF> Hm.  So it seems xserver-xgl is more crackful than I thought. :(
[01:37] <RAOF> bug #136962
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136962
[01:39] <\sh> ok..gfpoken fixed
[01:45] <RAOF> So, my plan here is to install the session file into /usr/share/xserver-xgl, and add a prerm & postinst to copy/remove it to the appropriate place.
[02:12] <Nafallo> ScottK: ping SPF
[02:16] <Nafallo> ScottK: sent mail
[02:18] <deadwill> mornin' all
[02:35] <RAOF> Hey, anyone here using the fglrx drivers?
[02:36] <RAOF> And if so, can you tell me whether they install a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d, and what it contains?
[02:39] <deadwill> RAOF, better to ask on #ubuntu
[02:42] <RAOF> LongPointyStick: Howdie.  You don't happen to use fglrx? :)
[02:43] <ogra> RAOF, i do ... no trace of fglrx in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[02:43] <ogra> (gutsy)
[02:43] <RAOF> Gah.
[02:44] <RAOF> Xgl is not quite as happy as I'd hoped :/
[02:44] <LongPointyStick> RAOF: nope. intel card
[02:44] <zul> hey LongPointyStick
[02:45] <LongPointyStick> hi zul
[02:49] <deadwill> LongPointyStick, new nick?
[02:50] <LongPointyStick> deadwill: this is my alternate nick.
[02:50] <deadwill> ah
[02:50] <zul> i swear to god i get more done at home then work
[02:52] <zul> !uvf | zul
[02:52] <zul> !uvf
[02:52] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[02:54] <ogra> zul, do you have an idea about bug 134865 ?
[02:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134865 in ltsp "segfaults on ltsp in xen dom0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134865
[02:55] <zul> ogra, no idea since there is nothing really in the bug report to go by, however then is a re-synced xen kernel coming soon
[02:56] <ogra> zul, x11-common fails with a segfault ... (but works fine on normal systems it seems)
[02:56] <zul> weird still no idea
[02:56] <zul> maybe you need libc6-xen
[02:56] <ogra> hmm
[02:57] <ogra> the host system should have that ... do you need it in chroots ?
[02:57] <zul> nope
[02:58] <ogra> (ltsp-build-client is building a chroot with debootstrap and then chroots into that system and installs x etc)
[02:58] <zul> if they can get a a trace of whats going on that would be helpful
[02:58] <ogra> i'll try to get some info
[03:06] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll fix Xgl tomorrow!
[03:07] <StevenK> RAOF: Did you see the shiny shiny crack that I uploaded a little while ago?
[03:08] <soren> dendrobates: /win 4
[03:08] <soren> ffs...
[03:23] <norsetto> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=197 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=200 are up for review (they are simple updates).
[03:30] <norsetto> is there any debian/ubuntu archive where one can find packages from 2004 (warty/sarge)?
[03:30] <jrib> old-releases.ubuntu.com should have warty
[03:31] <fernando_> moin all
[03:31] <jrib> norsetto:
[03:33] <norsetto> jrib: exactly what I needed, thx
[04:09] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: can I bother you two seconds ? I need a second ACK for my UVF
[04:10] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: not at the moment, sorry
[04:10] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: can I give you the bug number so you can have a look another day ?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> is it in the queue?
[04:10] <jeromeg> I'm starting high school tomorrow and wont be available
[04:10] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: yep
[04:11] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: motu-uvf are suscribed and ScottK gave one ACK
[04:13] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:14] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: so I don't have to do anything else ?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> correct
[04:16] <norsetto> dholbach: ping?
[04:17] <dholbach> norsetto: in the CC meeting atm - can you drop me a mail or ask in PM?
[04:17] <dholbach> I'll get back to you
[04:17] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: great, thx
[04:18] <ryanakca> dch -e -i     should update the changelog?
[04:19] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hi...
[04:36] <\sh> hmm...any gtk people out there, who can tell me what this is all about? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36185/
[04:37] <xtknight> \sh, just looks like an error in someone's configure file to me
[04:38] <geser> \sh: can you pastebin line 22087 +/- some lines from configure?
[04:38] <\sh> geser, hmm...need to build it in a chroot then....not pbuilder...
[04:38] <geser> I guess some parts from configure.in didn't get translated and ended verbatim in configure
[04:40] <\sh> geser, I had to rebuild the autofoo crap...can it be, that it needs a higher gtk-doc version? e.g. GTK_DOC(1.x where x > 4) or something?
[04:41] <geser> that should only fail the check but not produce a syntax error
[04:42] <\sh> what gives autofoo the GTK_DOC macro? gtk-doc-tools?
[04:42] <geser> I'd guess gtk-doc-tools
[04:43] <\sh> hmmm....
[04:43] <\sh> root@LT420:/usr/share# find . -type f -exec grep -H "GTK_DOC" {} \;
[04:43] <\sh> ./doc/gtk-doc-tools/setting-up.txt:       GTK_DOC_CHECK(1.0)
[04:44] <geser> which package are you trying to fix?
[04:45] <\sh> gpredict
[04:45] <\sh> I need to remove the G*_DISABLE_DEPRECATED defines from Makefile.am and need to rebuild complete autofoo
[04:48] <\sh> geser, and the error comes from goocanvas inside gpredict
[04:48] <geser> \sh: why not simply patching Makefile.in (and Makefile.am in case someone else needs to rebuild Makefile.in) and don't bother with regenerating the whole stuff?
[04:50] <geser> \sh: looking on lucas' build log, it seems removeing GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED from src/Makefile.{am,in} should be enough
[04:50] <\sh> geser, I did...called autoreconf but the configure error comes from goocanvas which has it's own configure stuff...which I didn't touch
[04:51] <\sh> and configure.in of goocanvas says: GTK_DOC(1.4) which failes in configure (not rebuilded by me)
[04:52] <\sh> oh what wonder
[04:52] <\sh> build-dep on gtk-doc-tools and it compiles ,)
[04:52] <soren> StevenK: Have you tried building virtualbox on an amd64 system?
[04:53] <\sh> geser: fixed, thanks for your help :)
[04:53] <StevenK> soren: Yes
[04:53] <StevenK> soren: It built on both i386 and amd64 before I uploaded it.
[04:54] <soren> StevenK: Odd.. It ftbfs on my amd64.
[04:54] <StevenK> soren: Using my source?
[04:55] <soren> StevenK: No, the Debian one. I fetched it before you uploaded it.
[04:55] <soren> I though you just added an adduser dependency.
[04:55] <soren> ?
[04:55] <StevenK> soren: Nope, I had to do more.
[04:56] <soren> StevenK: Ah, yes, now I see.
[04:56] <soren> StevenK: Ok, yes, that looks like something that would fix it :)
[04:56] <geser> \sh: I only needed to remove the GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED lines from src/Makefile.{am,in} to get it build (no need to run autoreconf)
[04:58] <geser> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36189/ is all I changed (+ changelog and maintainer change)
[04:58] <\sh> geser, ah you changed it manually ;)
[05:00] <\sh> geser, I wonder if we have today a rule how to deal with autofoo crap (rebuidling during build-time, or patching *.{in,am} files), i prefer the first I mentioned
[05:02] <StevenK> soren: I honestly don't see how the Debian maintainer managed to build it in a clean chroot, which makes me think he didn't.
[05:03] <\sh> wtf? I just see, that my window decoration is gone
[05:03] <soren> StevenK: Yeah.. I've always thought binary uploads are a bad idea.
[05:17] <geser> \sh: if the change is small I prefer to do it manually. This avoids problems with autoreconf, keeps the delta small and is easier to merge later
[05:17] <geser> \sh: as I've a fixed gpredict ready should I upload it now?
[05:32] <\sh> geser, ok with me...just close bug 137021 :)
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137021 in gpredict "[FTBFS]  gpredict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137021
[05:45] <\sh> geser, thx for uploading...
[05:45] <dholbach> imtheface: can you join  #ubuntu-meeting ?
[06:09] <johanbr__> Hmm. Why is everything except "Overview" greyed out if I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+package/vpnc ?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> because launchpad operates by source package for everything else
[06:10] <StevenK> Because that's a binary package, and bugs and such like are related to source packages.
[06:10] <johanbr__> Yes, I just found the right page. :) Thanks.
[07:01] <tuxmaniac> PriceChild,
[07:02] <PriceChild> Hello?
[07:02] <tuxmaniac> can ubuntu loco team irc channel ops join the irc team?
[07:09] <PriceChild> tuxmaniac, #ubuntu-ops please
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> Do the archive admins have an irc channel or anything where one could observe them processing things?
[07:20] <deadwill> tonyyarusso, you mean the queue?
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> deadwill: More detailed than that, preferably.  ie, where I could tell when there's actually a human looking at a package and pondering whether to ACCEPT or REJECT, and when, etc.
[07:22] <deadwill> you could ask on #ubuntu-devel for that
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> hmmm
[08:31] <moquist> I'd like to create a [different]  package with an /etc/init.d/script and an /etc/default/config file. I looked at another package that has those (mpd) and it was non-obvious to me how they are handled. Can anybody give me any tips?
[08:31] <moquist> ignore "different" up there...this is a re-post from another channel.
[08:54] <LaserJock> moquist: I'm not sure if http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit would help or not
[08:56] <moquist> LaserJock: I think it might. It looks like I may need to run update-rc.d, etc., directly in the postinst(?). I wasn't sure about that.
[08:56] <nixternal> LaserJock: you check out the comments to the "one'ness"?
[08:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: yes, writting my "rebuttal" as we speak ;-)
[08:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:57] <nixternal> rock on...all of the comments were pretty good, except for one, who is always rude to others
[08:57] <nixternal> he thinks his poo don't stink :)
[08:57] <nixternal> eww
[09:00] <geser> moquist: if you are using debhelper, look also at dh_installinit
[09:00] <moquist> Ooooooooo. That sounds promising.
[09:52] <LaserJock> nixternal: alright, it's up at http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2007/09/03/when-choice-is-no-choice-at-all/
[11:19] <bmhm> hi everyone. When will "pidgin" (earlier gaim) be released to the repos?
[11:19] <bmhm> *formerly gaim
[11:19] <Nafallo> they are in the repos
[11:20] <bmhm> i can't find any when i look for pidgin - i got ALL repos enabled
[11:20] <Nafallo> bmhm: even the development edition?
[11:20] <bmhm> dunno - i got feisty and searched for pidgin. Nothing found at all
[11:22] <LaserJock> bmhm: Feisty was released with gaim
[11:23] <LaserJock> bmhm: the current development version, gutsy, has pidgin
[11:23] <Nafallo> bmhm: at the time we had upstream freeze in gaim was the name.
[11:23] <bmhm> ah I see.
[11:23] <bmhm> well it's just because a guy asked in #ubuntu-de
[11:23] <bmhm> and I couldn't tell him until I found out he compiled pidgin hisself :D
[11:32] <mok0_> Pidgin is in gutsy
[11:33] <mok0_> pidgin:
[11:33] <mok0_>   Installed: 1:2.1.1-1ubuntu1
[11:33] <mok0_>   Candidate: 1:2.1.1-2ubuntu2
[11:33] <mok0_>   Version table:
[11:33] <mok0_>      1:2.1.1-2ubuntu2 0
[11:33] <mok0_>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[11:39] <bmhm> gnu8 all :-)
[11:53] <soc> hi
[11:53] <soc> how likely is it that we will get gimp 2.4 in gutsy?
[11:53] <soc>  seems the gimp devs are already preparing their website relaunch (looks amazing)
[11:58] <soc> anyone??
[11:58] <deadwill> bye all
[11:58] <deadwill> o/
[12:00] <DktrKranz> soc, I think you will have to wait for hardy
[12:00] <azeem> soc: gimp is in main, not universe
[12:01] <soc> ah ok
[12:02] <soc> ubuntu+1 told me to ask in motu ...
[12:02] <azeem> dunno
[12:03] <soc> DktrKranz: ok, hopefully it will get through ... less unnessecary bugreports ...
[12:03] <soc> they released rc2 today
[12:05] <DktrKranz> soc, gutsy will be ready on October 18th and I fear it will not be available unless strong rationale
[12:05] <geser> based on that gimp is a devel version currently (with a big warning) it may be possible that gutsy will have gimp 2.4 (if it releases on time)
[12:07] <geser> soc: try asking seb128 or dholbach in #ubuntu-desktop about their plans for gimp in gutsy (during the european day)
[12:11] <soc> ok
[12:12] <soc> ok thx
[12:16] <blueyed> Can someone help me with bug 91607? Should the action "start" not fail? Or should dh_installinit add a call to "restart" instead?
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91607
[12:16] <blueyed> This blocks bug 136687 (CVE)
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136687 in postfix-policyd "buffer overflow in w_read function (possible DoS and execution of arbitary code)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136687
[12:33] <geser> blueyed: I'd say it's a bug in the init script: "The init.d scripts must ensure that they will behave sensibly if invoked with start when the service is already running [...] " (from the Debian policy, section 9.3.2)
[12:34] <blueyed> Thanks, geser. I've just checked this with apache.
[12:34] <blueyed> But the problem is still stat it does not get restarted, which it should - during upgrade..
[12:34] <blueyed> Otherwise the security fix would not get applied/used..


[00:48] <saiarcot895> Now that Raring has been released, can the packages that have been granted FFe still go into Raring stable?
[00:53] <maxb> 01:44 < maxb> It's slightly unclear what you mean by 'Raring stable'
[00:53] <maxb> 01:47 < maxb> The raring release pocket is absolutely and completely immutable at this point. Stable Release Updates can be processed into raring-updates, but a grant of FFe prior to release probably is invalid  at this point
[00:55] <saiarcot895> Ah well
[00:56] <wgrant> saiarcot895: A new package? A new feature in an existing package?
[00:56] <saiarcot895> New upstream version in three existing packages
[00:56] <saiarcot895> all related
[00:56] <wgrant> In either case an FFe isn't relevant any more, and your only option is probably to get it into saucy-backports
[00:56] <wgrant> That sounds like a good case for -backports.
[00:57] <saiarcot895> You mean raring-backports, right?
[00:57] <wgrant> Er, yeah
[00:57] <wgrant> saucy, and then raring-backports
[00:57] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[01:01] <saiarcot895> will work on that
[01:01] <saiarcot895> I still have to follor the sponsorship process, right?
[01:01] <saiarcot895> *follow
[01:16] <ScottK> For backports you need to get it into saucy first
[01:17] <saiarcot895> I know
[01:17] <saiarcot895> To get it into Saucy itself, I still need to use the sponsorship process, right?
[05:34] <crhrabal> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -us -uc -S failed
[05:34] <crhrabal> bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[05:34] <crhrabal> when i try to build s test package i get this output, what am i doing wrong?
[05:36] <cjwatson> We'd need to see the whole output (in a pastebin or similar).  That looks like it follows some earlier error.
[05:38] <crhrabal> http://pastebin.com/UT3tdwBj
[05:39] <cjwatson> crhrabal: You need to satisfy the package's build-dependencies first.  sudo apt-get build-dep mountmanager (unless this is a package you're developing, in which case install the Build-Depends listed in debian/control)
[05:40] <crhrabal> cjwatson: Thanks.
[09:47] <bl4de> hi guys, I'd like to contribute into bug-solving etc...what do you recommend to start?
[09:47] <bl4de> *contribute to
[09:53] <bl4de> guyys :)
[12:54] <deeps_> i want to develop app for terminal using c++, but don't know where to start from :(   could any one please help me
[13:07] <GridCube> deeps_, you will have to be more specific
[13:13] <sladen> deeps_: echo -e "#include <iostream>\nusing namespace stn ()\n{\n\tcout<<\"Hello World\";\n\treturn 0;\n}\n">hello-world.cpp&&g++ -o hello-world hello-world.cpp&&./hello-world;echo
[13:14] <penguin42> deeps_: If you want something that puts characters at specific places on the terminal  or has a menu like thing in a terminal then you might want to look at libncurses or libnewt
[13:14] <sladen> deeps_: echo C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C-e "#include <iostream>\nusing namespace std;\nint main ()\n{\n\tcout<<\"Hello World\";\n\treturn 0;\n}\n">hello-world.cpp&&g++ -o hello-world hello-world.cpp&&./hello-world
[13:14] <sladen> meh
[13:15] <sladen> deeps_: echo -e "#include <iostream>\nusing namespace std;\nint main ()\n{\n\tcout<<\"Hello World\";\n\treturn 0;\n}\n">hello-world.cpp&&g++ -o hello-world hello-world.cpp&&./hello-world
[13:15] <deeps_> i have develop app
[13:15] <deeps_> in c++
[13:15] <deeps_> its ready...
[13:15] <deeps_> all i need to know is...
[13:16] <deeps_> let me start again...
[13:16] <deeps_> i have develop an app for terminal using c++
[13:16] <sladen> deeps_: ...compile it?  ...package it?  ...port it?
[13:17] <ogra_> run it ?
[13:17] <deeps_> i am stuck with 2 parts...
[13:17] <deeps_> 1st one...
[13:17] <deeps_> in terminal we have feature like by pressing <tab> key it shows the possible commands for the application...
[13:17] <deeps_> how do i do it with c++
[13:18] <deeps_> no idea at all :(
[13:18] <sladen> deeps_: readline
[13:18] <sladen> deeps_: http://www.gnu.org/software/readline/
[13:20] <deeps_> and how can i package it and make available as repo?
[13:21] <sladen> deeps_: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/my-apps-packages/
[13:22] <deeps_> thanx a lot...i think i should check those links :)
[13:26] <sladen> deeps_: https://launchpad.net/~sladen#email-addresses
[13:34] <sladen> wendar: ^^where do the app-review team hang out these days?
[13:34] <wendar> sladen: ubuntu-arb
[13:35] <wendar> though, the first question sounds more like #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:39] <sladen> wendar: ta, yes, the latter
[13:53] <mzaza> Arer there Ubuntu project written in C++ I can contribute to?
[14:03] <mzaza> Is there anyone alive here?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> mzaza, be patient. Patience is one of the things needed when contributing:)
[14:04] <mzaza> smartboyhw: Sure, OK :)
[14:17] <sladen> mzaza: yes, plenty of people are alive.  There is alot of software in Ubuntu that is written in C++.  Is there perhaps a particular bug you've noticed, or feature that you would like.  That might narrow down where to look and work on
[14:19] <sladen> mzaza: apt-cache rdepends libgcc1     will show you a list of programmes using C++
[14:22] <infinity> sladen: It will?
[14:23] <infinity> sladen: I think you mean libstdc++6
[14:25] <sladen> mzaza: ^^
[14:25] <mzaza> libstdc++6 then?
[14:26] <sladen> mzaza: apt-cache rdepends libstdc++6  will show you a list of programs using C++
[14:27] <mzaza> sladen: Would you recomment an easy project to start on if I am new? I was think in Compiz but I think it might be complex for my level.
[14:30] <sladen> mzaza: Is there perhaps a particular bug in Ubuntu, or feature you've wanted to add?  That would narrow down what types of software might be interesting.  The best is often to have a goal, and to work back
[14:30] <sladen> mzaza: *Ubuntu, or any of the software packaged for Ubuntu
[14:31] <mzaza> sladen: Yes, Unity. It's sluggish :D
[14:33] <penguin42> mzaza: Pick a package you use a lot and look through the bugs for it or pick a bug that annoys you
[14:36] <mzaza> penguin42: And download it's repos using git, right? But how to know which file is releated to the bug, I mean is there like a file I should check to know more about where everything goes to?
[14:37] <penguin42> mzaza: That very much depends on the project - you have to get to know the source a bit - but that's learning
[14:37] <sladen> mzaza: debugging;  although for instance a stack-trace might lead you to the file/line-number;  or even just simply reading the code (particularly in a small program/package)
[14:37] <sladen> mzaza: did you have a bug number in mind/
[14:38] <mzaza> sladen: No not, yet I am checking the Bugsquad now and setting everything up.
[14:41] <sladen> mzaza: what software do you use (other than Unity)
[14:45] <mzaza> sladen: Well Ubuntu with Unity, vim, g++, chromium, virtualbox, monodevelop, smplayer. That's what I use on daily basis
[14:45] <mzaza> sladen: The software center too
[14:46] <mzaza> & Ubuntu one
[14:48] <mzaza> The most thing I wish to help in fixing, but it will be complex for my level is the performance of Unity. I was surprised to see Windows 8 out performance Ubuntu on both low-end and high-end machines.
[14:50] <penguin42> yeh start simpler; although you might want to learn to use profiling tools like perf
[14:50] <sladen> the performance of the Unity-3D codebase is somewhat ... suboptimal.  A lot of the good old performance of Unity-2D should be regained with the move back to Qt
[14:54] <mzaza> So, is there like a PDF guide written in easy way I could read like the KDE Developer guide to help me set me up?
[15:02] <sladen> mzaza: why not work on a Qt/KDE application if you're already familiar with that area?
[15:04] <penguin42> yeh and they're normally C++
[15:04] <mzaza> sladen: I am not familiar I just read the guid and I was going  to start working with it. But I don't use KDe so I thought I should work on something I use.
[15:06] <sladen> mzaza: QML/Qt is the widget set and technology the Unity-Ubuntu stuff is using, so I don't think you'd go far wrong
[15:08] <sladen> mzaza: perhaps you should work on smplayer!  that is Qt
[15:10] <mzaza> sladen: I'll check it out. Is it normal if feel somewhat lost :D
[15:10] <mzaza> at the beggining I mean
[15:14] <penguin42> yes!
[15:15] <penguin42> mzaza: There's a lot of source out there and a lot of bugs, and some packages are BIG
[15:21] <mzaza> penguin42: Right...
[15:22] <mzaza> Well, thanks guys for helping me out :)
[15:22] <mzaza> exit
[15:55] <crhrabal> Well, I have perused documentation but can't find a lot of good tutorials. I have fixed a number of bugs within the code itself, I just don't know how to make a patch.  I thought the actual development process was supposed to be the hard part, but it seems I'm mistaken.
[15:58] <penguin42> crhrabal: Patch at what point ?
[15:58] <crhrabal> I got the source code on my computer, I fixed the source code
[15:59] <crhrabal> And that's where I'm stuck
[15:59] <penguin42> ok, is it a debian package or just the upstream source, and did you download it as a tar or using git/svn/bzr/what?
[15:59] <crhrabal> downloaded in bzr
[15:59] <crhrabal> and its traced back to debian
[16:00] <crhrabal> do i need to push it to debian before it can be pushed into ubuntu?
[16:01] <penguin42> crhrabal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment  for a start
[16:01] <penguin42> crhrabal: it depends
[16:01] <penguin42> crhrabal: If it's something ubuntu has screwed up then you can fix it in ubuntu, you can also fix it in ubuntu but generally it's preferred to fix it upstream if you can
[16:02] <crhrabal> Oh, I figured the way to go was fix it in ubuntu then push the change upstream
[16:03] <penguin42> crhrabal: it's not a hard rule, however if it's fixed in ubuntu then it means ubuntu has to keep updates if upstream updates and it's a bit messy - if you can get it fixed upstream everyone is happy
[16:04] <penguin42> crhrabal: Also if the upstream guys agree your patch is the right way, then the ubuntu guys are quicker to take the patch
[16:11] <crhrabal> okay thanks
[17:46] <pianogmx> hello... I have been using ubuntu for some time and I want to figure out how I can contribute to ubuntu.
[17:47] <penguin42> pianogmx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[17:48] <pianogmx> penguin42: i already saw that....
[17:49] <penguin42> pianogmx: OK, are you a programmer?
[17:49] <pianogmx> i have learned how to program on WIndows with .NET and Java... but I want to learn how to program for ubuntu
[17:50] <pianogmx> i made a notepad program using C++ and QT a month ago
[17:51] <penguin42> you could look at some bugs on Qt apps and see if you can fix them, or look at Qt upstream to see if you can help fix bugs there
[17:58] <pianogmx> penguin42: would that be considered working outside of the ubuntu project though if i wanted to contribute to ubuntu and be an ubuntu member?
[18:00] <penguin42> pianogmx: Well Unity is moving (back) to using Qt - not sure of the details of that, best to ask someone involved - so not sure if you can get involved in that
[18:01] <penguin42> pianogmx: But if you fix a bug in a package that Ubuntu makes use of then you help Ubuntu users as well as other users
[18:01] <pianogmx> okay thanks for the advice ill be back
[18:11] <pianogmx> penguin42: is there more value in me contributing to the ubuntu / unity flavor than the ubuntu / kde flavor?
[18:13] <infinity> pianogmx: There's value in your contributing to what you enjoy using and working on.
[18:15] <pianogmx> ok


 "[This Reddit post](https://www...." <- That doesn't seem like edge cases. That seems like something that is fallen off the edge and rolled under the  couch.
[00:18] <wxl[m]> indeed
[00:22] <arraybolt3> lol
[00:22] <arraybolt3> I'm going to need to use that terminology in the future
[02:05] <ThomasWard[m]> just want to say Thank You to SImon for restoring my Debian upload rights for my packages I directly maintain there as DM :D
[14:28] <Roberalz> .
[14:29] <Roberalz[m]> .
[17:17] -Ubottu[m]:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.4] has been updated (20240504)
[17:24] -Ubottu[m]:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.4] has been updated (20240504)
[23:23] <Roberalz[m]> https://lxqt-project.org/release/2024/05/04/Point-Releases-of-several-components/


[05:01] <bugbrains> how to specify maintainer in dch --i
[05:01] <bugbrains> ?
[06:26] <tsimpson> bugbrains: set the DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL environment variables you your name and email respectively
[06:37] <bugbrains> thanks tsimpson
[18:12] <mark06> hi, uncommits in bazaar are still stored in the local branch, but is this true also for the Launchpad branches?
[20:06] <jbicha> hi, sftp isn't working when I try to upload to my PPA, it was working earlier today
[20:23] <jbicha> ftp upload didn't complain but I don't see that it was accepted either


[01:47] <hggdh> astraljava: yes, please do, Harvest needs some love, and we are trying to find where and what
[02:47] <MxxC> hggdh: i did what you asked regarding bug 909996
[02:47] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 909996 in b43-fwcutter (Ubuntu) "firmware-b43legacy-installer errors "17: missing" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909996
[02:48] <MxxC> i tried the link you gave me and it dind't make any difference
[13:15] <bil21al> hggdh:ping
[13:15] <bil21al> hggdh:ping
[13:16] <Pici> hrm.
[13:40] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs: "The method of reporting bugs in Ubuntu is by using the tool "ubuntu-bug", otherwise known as Apport." I tried '~$ ubuntu-bug  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' and obtained: "*** Development is completed for the 'oneiric' version of Ubuntu, so you should probably use technical support channels unless you know for certain it should be reported...
[13:40] <bullgard4> ...here?". I am surprised that Ubuntu does not wish an error report about Ubuntu Oneiric via ubuntu-bug command. It is the first time that I read this message. (I have sent many Oneiric bug reports to Launchpad in the past.) Can you guide me what this message means?
[22:54] <Cornwall> Hi, can a triager set bug 609585 to wishlist (package ccsm-simple)?
[22:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 609585 in simple-ccsm (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "One slider for all Animation speeds (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609585
[23:17] <bkerensa> Cornwall: Someone on Control would have to do that since basic triagers don't have the ability to wishlist
[23:42] <hggdh> Cornwall: done. But who would work on it?
[23:44] <Cornwall> hggdh: dunno, I was intending on leaving it
[23:44] <Cornwall> hggdh: possibly it should be invalidated because it's so old
[23:45] <hggdh> Cornwall: I almost agree -- and there is also a discussion on dropping ccsm for now...
[23:45] <hggdh> let's wait and see what happens


[00:45] <Flannel> Oh great.  #ubuntu-ugly
[00:48] <IdleOne> Well hopefully the new channel creation guidelines will prevent those types of channels
[00:49] <Flannel> He dropped the channel when I asked
[00:49] <Flannel> IdleOne: They're already prevented anyway
[00:49] <IdleOne> channel is still there
[00:49] <Flannel> IdleOne: yeah, it'll completely disappear when everyone leaves, it's no longer registered with chanserv
[00:50] <Flannel> Hi Xylaur, how can we help you?
[00:50] <Xylaur> You could help me with syncing of bookmarks.
[00:51] <IdleOne> Xylaur: have you tried asking in #ubuntu?
[00:52] <Xylaur> No not yet.  I just installed Xchat and tried this out.  My files sync as are my Tomboy notes and Evolution contacts.  Bookmarks no luck
[00:52] <elky> We're not a technical support channel, this is for discussing problems with channels. Could you try asking in #ubuntu?
[00:53] <Xylaur> Sure I will do that.  Thanks anyway and do not get mad if I end up here again as I am new to IRC.
[00:53] <elky> How did you get here to start with?
[00:54] <elky> Did you choose our channel name from a list, or did you get here when you tried joining somewhere else?
[00:54] <Xylaur> Hit connect after I installed Xchat and selected #ubuntuone
[00:55] <elky> Oh, then your mouse has slipped I think. This is #ubuntu-ops. You should be able to right-click #ubuntuone and get to there now though.
[00:56] <Xylaur> OK!  Thanks I see now I expended the window on the left side.
[01:24] <IdleOne> pfifo: what's up?
[01:24] <IdleOne> you freaked out dude :)
[01:25] <IdleOne> or dudette
[01:25] <pfifo> dude
[01:25] <IdleOne> k
[01:25] <IdleOne> So anyway I know you already know our guidelines, just want to make sure we won't have another loss of control on your part in #ubuntu
[01:26] <IdleOne> but please explain what happened
[01:26] <pfifo> sorry, i kind of came into #ubunto from another channel that made me upset
[01:27] <IdleOne> sometimes best to just step back and do something else
[01:27] <pfifo> but, there was this guy still trolling from when i was here the other day
[01:28] <pfifo> yeah
[01:28] <pfifo> it just made me twice as mad as i alredy was
[01:28] <IdleOne> yeah I see him, it's more enthusiasm then trolling. direct them to #ubuntu-offtopic in the future
[01:29] <IdleOne> if you really feel a need to let off steam, feel free to /msg me and go nuts. I might not answer but I won't hold it against you :)
[01:30]  * Jordan_U uses IdleOne as a punching bag
[01:30] <IdleOne> unless you insult me, then I will write dozens of blog posts about your pet cat/dog/fish. (makes no sense I know)
[01:31] <IdleOne> pfifo: anyway, not going to ban you but know that we can't have that type of language and attitude in any Ubuntu channels.
[01:31] <pfifo> I truly want to help but Linux is not my invention nor can i control everything
[01:32] <IdleOne> calling people names, cursing...We all started somewhere, keep that in mind
[01:33] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: I might punch you back :P
[01:33] <IdleOne> hehe
[01:34] <pfifo> IdleOne, not to be flamboyant but wouldnt matter any way, I dont really want to upset people but some where i have to say 'hey you'
[01:34] <pfifo> i try to keep in tone
[01:34] <rww> I use ##rww for that :(
[01:34] <IdleOne> there are different ways of saying "hey you"
[01:34] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: I know jujitsu :)
[01:34] <IdleOne> the one you chose was ugh
[01:35] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: I know Smith and Wesson
[01:35] <pfifo> Jordan_U, stop making me laugh!!
[01:35] <IdleOne> haha
[01:35] <elky> Jordan_U, and drunken boxing, yeah?
[01:35] <IdleOne> ok so if ther is nothing else I would kindly ask you to /part this channel, see the no idle policy in the topic :)
[01:36] <IdleOne> nit-wit: was there anything you needed help with?
[01:37] <pfifo> ok i guess the best point i have is that at some times you admins dont seem to be there and in this case i Happened to have a personal issue with soneone and tried to take care of it
[01:37] <IdleOne> you are always welcome to join this channel if there is something we ops are not seeing
[01:37] <IdleOne> let us know and we will try to help
[01:39] <pfifo> yes, thank you.
[01:39] <IdleOne> sure thing, thank you.
[01:40] <pfifo> is it ok to autojoin/idle here? well technically only lilo can make that call, but it it cool?
[01:40] <IdleOne> technically lilo doesn't make any more calls and no we don't allow idling
[01:41] <pfifo> right
[01:41] <elky> Someone's been under a rock...
[01:41] <IdleOne> nit-wit: you there?
[01:41] <nit-wit> IdleOne, no I was just curious about this channel thanks. could use a few more IQ points though ;)
[01:42] <IdleOne> scuse me?
[01:42] <elky> Let me guess, another from lessthanthree
[01:42] <IdleOne> nit-wit: if there is nothing you need please refer to the topic and the no idle policy
[01:43] <Flannel> elky: No.
[01:43] <nit-wit> IdleOne, you mentioned this channel didn't know it existed, and the IQpoints are a joke about my intelligence
[01:43] <IdleOne> I see
[01:43] <IdleOne> heh
[01:43] <IdleOne> self deprecating funnies ftl
[01:44] <IdleOne> hmm, did I use that word right?
[01:44] <IdleOne> doesn't look right now
[01:45] <rww> IdleOne: yes
[01:45] <Jordan_U> self-deprecating? Yes.
[01:45] <IdleOne> I did! looked it up to make sure
[04:34] <Jordan_U> I'm not quite sure what to do with Agent007 in #ubuntu, if anything yet.
[04:39] <rww> Jordan_U: sigh. I've had to poke at him in #ubuntu-offtopic today, I'll deal with it.
[04:39] <Jordan_U> rww: Thanks.
[05:45] <IdleOne> afaik installing linux on fat32 is not possible or am I wrong?
[05:46] <Jordan_U> rww: Did you mean that /me to go here rather than #ubuntu?
[05:46] <Jordan_U> I think he's talking about unetbootin or similar.
[05:46] <IdleOne> still offtopic
[05:46] <IdleOne> or least it seems so to me
[05:47] <Flannel> It wasn't really offtopic as a single comment.  If they were having a discussion about the socio-economic aspects of the pendrive market, that'd be different.
[05:48] <Flannel> But "I'm waiting until the new year to buy a pendrive and try it" "Dude, pendrives are cheap, buy one now!" isn't worthy of calling people out about.
[05:48] <IdleOne> imo the cost of a pendrive is not relevant to Ubuntu support
[05:48] <IdleOne> wether it be dollars or rubbles
[05:48] <rww> Jordan_U: let's try here as well!
[05:48] <Flannel> IdleOne: The fact that it was $15 wasn't the important bit of the comment.
[05:49]  * rww continues eating IdleOne's delicious #ubuntu-branded @ snack
[05:49] <IdleOne> why do you keep eating my snacks
[05:49] <rww> because my client thinks you're opped in #ubuntu
[05:49] <IdleOne> oh
[05:49] <rww> ;P
[05:49] <IdleOne> why didn't you deop me then
[05:49] <rww> because that would be slightly rude
[05:50] <Flannel> Because making cinnamon-roll comments is much more fun!
[05:50] <IdleOne> not really. I do it to you every chance I get in the other channel
[05:50] <rww> also, because I was opped for a quarter hour in #ubuntu the other day dealing with exempts, and hoping nobody took it upon themselves to deop me in the middle of it. also, what Flannel said.
[05:50] <IdleOne> well I been oped longer then that. forgot about it to be honest
[05:51] <IdleOne> anyway, thank you for eating my pastry and leaving me none
[05:51] <Flannel> IdleOne: Doesn't your client show you every time you say something?
[05:51] <IdleOne> show me I am oped?
[05:51] <IdleOne> no
[05:51] <rww> switch to irssi
[05:51] <IdleOne> NO
[05:51] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: Give in to the dark side.
[05:52] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: I know there is still some good left in you....
[05:52] <IdleOne> Star wars all weekend long on t.v.
[05:52] <rww> ChanServ Bakeries: delivering fresh cinnamon buns 24-hours a day, 300 days a year, with an average delivery time of a few seconds :S
[05:53] <IdleOne> ok, why only 300 days a year?
[05:53] <Flannel> Because rww believes in the metric system, 10 months a year, 30 days a month
[05:54] <IdleOne> that makes complete sense
[05:54] <rww> IRC servers need vacation days too. You humans know them as 'netsplits' :(
[05:54] <IdleOne> would it not be easier with 25 hours a day
[05:54] <IdleOne> just so we can have nice even numbers
[05:55] <rww> also, I need an ubuntu namespace group contact for my maniacal whim, when one of you isn't busy at all.
[05:55] <rww> Flannel: 30 isn't very metrical :(
[05:55] <Jordan_U> "ubuntu namespace group contact"?
[05:56] <rww> Jordan_U: yes, the group contacts for the ubuntu namespace. currently consists of the IRC Council minus nhandłer.
[05:56] <IdleOne> that would be jussi topyli Pici tsimpson
[05:56] <IdleOne> HEYA!
[05:56] <rww> there goes IdleOne, pinging everyone again :(
[05:56] <IdleOne> I pinged you all :P
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> pingitty pingitty
[05:58]  * rww ponders 'FappyJones|420'
[05:58] <IdleOne> bad nick
[05:58] <IdleOne> on many different levels
[05:58] <Flannel> rww: No, but neither is 60s/60m/24h, yet metric people have no problem using that.
[05:59] <rww> Flannel: I do, there's just no good alternative :(
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> 100s/100m/10h!
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Metric days/years are more difficult though.
[05:59] <Flannel> rww: There's no real good reason for using the metric system at all either, yet you don't see me holding that over people's heads!
[06:00] <Flannel> or, let me restate that,
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> (100,000 seconds compared to 86,400 seconds - it's be pretty easy to adapt to)
[06:00] <Flannel> there's no good reason to *switch* to using the metric system.  If you're already using it, that's different.
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> Sure there is - I'll stop mocking you
[06:01] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: I mock your metric system every time you try and divide something by three!
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> Canadians are on metric time, dontchaknow.  Rick Mercer said so.
[06:02] <Flannel> rww: metric time would best be redefined as a second to be 1/1 000 000 000 (or 1/100 000 000) the time it takes light to travel a meter (in a vacuum)
[06:02] <Flannel> and then a light year would simply be the length of time light takes to travel a gigameter or whatnot
[06:03] <Flannel> er s/light year/year/
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> Right, forget this silly terracentric view of time!
[06:04] <Flannel> but then you'd have to redefine all the other SI units, by a scaling factor of 1e9/c, and as such, you see the arbitrarity of the metric system in general (the same arbitrarity proponents of it use to argue against the imperial system)
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> It's not the arbitrarity that makes the imperial system dumb - it's the bizarre conversion factors instead of just using prefixes.
[06:05] <rww> ^^^
[06:05] <Flannel> Also, apart from this being offtopic, I think I defined my second inside out.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> I mean really, 3 teaspoons to the tablespoon, 16 tablespoons to the cup, 2 cups to the pint, 2 pints to the quart, 4 quarts to the gallon, 2 gallons to the peck?
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> And don't even get me started on gills and drachms.
[06:07] <Flannel> tonyyarusso, rww: puny hoomans can't understand more than three orders of magnitude at a given time anyway.  So prefixes don't do you any good, and you've gotta carry around an oddball mantissa anyway
[06:08] <Flannel> having lots of units means you can round down to a whole number easily, and also makes mental math easier as well.
[08:08] <rww> ikonia: /lastlog <IP_ADDRESS> o.O
[08:09] <ikonia> a school
[08:09] <ikonia> this happened a few days ago
[08:12] <ikonia> rww: the ip is from an isp
[08:12] <ikonia> it seems very odd that they would all connect from one isp and start asking ubuntu questions at one
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> Today in "obvious statements"...
[08:13]  * tonyyarusso wonders if IdleOne is still up
[08:13] <rww> no, he's idle
[08:15] <ikonia> trying to talk to some of them in pm now to find out whats going on
[08:17] <Flannel> That looks to be a virus-type-spam
[08:18] <ikonia> maybe
[08:18] <rww> likely, given that it's loljava.
[08:18] <Flannel> rww: Well, view source and look at the parameters
[08:18] <Flannel> it apparently downloads a few vbs files in Windows, and an exe file in Linux (lol?)
[08:19] <rww> oh, it's that one. yes, virus.
[08:20] <ikonia> those school guys are not responding to any pm's
[08:20] <rww> reddit got hit with it the other day
[08:22] <rww> ikonia: alrighty. I'll throw +z up again and make sure they're still not saying anything in-channel
[08:23] <ikonia> talking to one now
[08:28] <rww> ikonia: sarin just said something, if you're looking for an active one.
[08:28] <ikonia> I'm talking to chip, it's not filling me with confidence
[08:29] <ikonia> he says he's using their network but he's not from there, but I find that hard to believe when he has the same ident and ip as most of the others
[08:32] <ikonia> ughh, it appears there is some Indian FOSS camp going on there,
[08:32] <ikonia> alarming
[08:33] <ikonia> alarming in the quality of the questions and sheer volume
[08:51] <rww> fyi, zulgaban is banforwarded here from #ubuntu because it was running an XDCC fileshare thing. I figured the usual approach of poking the user until they turn it off was overridden by the fact that I really don't want people getting a response to !list because then they'll keep trying it >.>
[08:53] <rww> ikonia: it's also alarming to me how many of them are apparently running as root >.<
[09:03] <rww> hoho, fileshare guy has /another/ script that detected my PM as spam and blocked it. oh well.
[09:04] <ikonia> yes
[09:10] <Flannel> That was red and ominious.  rww, are you going to explode now?
[09:12] <rww> I am the bomb.
[09:12] <Tm_T> bombastic
[09:13] <Tm_T> or should I say, bombastiK
[09:13] <rww> jussi: while I'm giving you work, ubottu just asked me to review ban #27333, which appears to be removed o.O
[09:13] <jussi> rww: dont stress, just bot isnt quite in sync then
[09:13] <jussi> heppens occaisionally
[09:14] <knome> heppens?!
[09:14] <rww> alrighty. just checking there wasn't something wrong :)
[10:08] <rww> zulgaban: hi
[10:17] <topyli> zulgaban: is there something we can help you with? if not, please don't idle here
[10:18] <zulgaban> please unban me from ubuntu
[10:18] <zulgaban> i have turn off my talking script
[10:18] <rww> zulgaban: alright, one sec
[10:19] <zulgaban> thank you
[10:20] <rww> That was easier than expected.
[11:58] <lhavelund> hoi.
[11:58] <lhavelund> rww: Everything went better than expected.
[11:58] <lhavelund> I do enjoy those cases.
[14:44] <lastnode> hi, just poppinginto ask if jrib has been around lately? i keep missing him due to timezones :(
[14:45] <jussi> lastnode: havent see him, can I help you with something?
[14:46] <lastnode> jussi: could you just say i dropped by and to respond to my /query if/whenhe can?
[14:46] <knome> lastnode, last time he said anything here was the 16th
[14:46] <lastnode> oh right
[14:46] <Pici> lastnode: Is this an issue that another operator could help with?
[14:46] <lastnode> thanksgiving etc. i guess right
[14:46] <lastnode> no Pici
[14:47] <lastnode> im just looking for jrib and this is the channel he hangs in with the least traffic
[14:47] <lastnode> :)
[14:47] <lastnode> cool, ill check back later
[14:47] <Pici> lastnode: Your best bet is to send him a memo then.
[14:47] <jussi> lastnode: memo serv is useful here ;)
[14:47] <lastnode> thanks!
[14:47] <lastnode> oh that's right i forgot hyperion has that
[14:47] <lastnode> thanks
[15:59] <Pici> jpds: You keep suggesting useful things and I keep installing them :|
[15:59] <jpds> Pici: I'm good.
[16:00] <jpds> Pici: My personally favourite, however, is sysstat. :)
[16:01] <jpds> personal*
[17:29] <Pici> ugh
[17:29] <IdleOne> what?
[17:31] <Pici> IdleOne: just someone getting a cloak who shouldn't.
[17:31] <IdleOne> oh
[17:33] <Pici> ikonia: around?
[17:43] <ikonia> yes
[17:43] <ikonia> just
[17:43] <Pici> ikonia: blockcold = jungli, correct?
[17:43] <ikonia> correct
[17:43] <Pici> Okay.
[17:45] <Pici> ikonia: Just making sure, seeing as he was just granted a cloak, I thought I'd update our ban list.
[17:45] <ikonia> Pici: staff are well aware of him and his nicks, so if they choose to cloak him I have faith they have thought it through
[17:45] <ikonia> Pici: he also has a bzshell account too
[17:46] <ikonia> got one a couple of days ago
[17:46] <IdleOne> bshellz
[17:46] <IdleOne> but yeah
[17:46] <ikonia> yup
[17:46] <Pici> That too
[17:54] <Pici> ugh. 'chicks'
[17:54] <Pici> Or rather, people who say that.
[17:55] <Pici> I think I'll go distract myself with a meeting.  I can't handle -offtopic right now.
[17:56] <IdleOne> I think you need to remove Agent007.
[17:57] <Pici> But seriously, I do have a meeting in... 3 minutes.
[17:57] <jussi> Im headed in there...
[17:57] <Pici> jussi: Thank you.
[17:58] <Pici> Now I need to depart.
[18:01] <IdleOne> man he is lucky I can't op in there
[18:02] <jussi> I just made the bot ignore them for a while
[18:02] <jussi> :)
[18:03] <IdleOne> it isn't just the botabuse, it's his general trolliness
[18:03] <IdleOne> he seems to make comments to incite
[18:04] <ikonia> he won't again
[18:40] <Pici> Do I even want to read the backsroll there?
[18:40] <IdleOne> probably not
[18:40] <Pici> Good good.
[18:42] <Gulfstream> so... Why was I banned form #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:42] <ikonia> Gulfstream: you where walking a fine line for a long time, messing around with the bot, you claimed you had a reason to do so, then said you where too angry to remember, I've removed you and forwaded you here
[18:43] <Gulfstream> I guess I didn't have much of a reason to mess with the bot
[18:43] <ikonia> you can either justify your behaviour, in which case you'll be let back in, or stop messing around and trying to make a situation
[18:43] <ikonia> Gulfstream: right - so why did you come up with rubbish about sensitve information and say you had a reason
[18:44] <ikonia> all you need to do is say "sure, no problem, I'll stop messing with the bot" then stop it
[18:44] <ikonia> rather than carry on trying to push people
[18:44] <Gulfstream> not sure why... but I wont mess with the bot
[18:45] <ikonia> ok - and I also want you to stop messing with people, trying to create a situation
[18:45] <Gulfstream> okay
[18:46] <Gulfstream> can you tell me the purpose of #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:46] <ikonia> right, so I'll remove the ban, but be warned, any more of your previous behaviour and you'll be removed again
[18:46] <ikonia> the purpose of ubuntu-offtopic is to have friendly offtopic chat with others
[18:46] <ikonia> not directly related to the support of Ubuntu
[18:47] <ikonia> Gulfstream: I've removed the ban, but please keep in mind what I've said, interact with people, don't try to cause a problem or push people
[18:47] <Gulfstream> okay
[18:48] <ikonia> Gulfstream: if you're asked something in future, such as "why are you messing with the bot" answer truthfully rather than coming up with nonsense stories that get you banned
[18:48] <Gulfstream> okay
[18:48] <ikonia> Gulfstream: in that case you're welcome to leave this channel and rejoin #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:49] <Gulfstream> so... why is there commands for the bot such as !girls and !boys?
[18:49] <ikonia> Gulfstream: to be used when appropriate
[18:50] <Gulfstream> and when is it appropriate?
[18:50] <ikonia> use your common sense and judgment
[18:50] <ikonia> if you don't know - best not to use it
[18:50] <Gulfstream> okay
[18:50] <IdleOne> Gulfstream: the goal of ubuntu-offtopic is to provide a safe and friendly place for people to talk without having to deal with people being "annoying"
[18:51] <IdleOne> just be nice and you won't have to come back here :)
[18:51] <Gulfstream> okay
[18:53] <Pici> We'll see how that goes.
[18:53] <bilalakhtar> Can someone add me to ubottu so that I could @login?
[18:53] <bilalakhtar> tsimpson: ^
[18:55] <jussi> bilalakhtar: did someone not do it already?
[18:55] <bilalakhtar> @login
[18:55] <bilalakhtar> oh!
[18:55] <jussi> ;)
[18:55] <bilalakhtar> When did this happen? I tried today morning, didn't work
[18:55] <bilalakhtar> jussi: ^
[18:55] <jussi> no idea :D
[18:56]  * tsimpson just did it
[18:56] <bilalakhtar> tsimpson: oh thanks :)
[18:56] <tsimpson> btw, anyone of the ircc should be able to do that
[18:56] <Pici> tsimpson: Is there any way that you can confirm that the #u-w folks are setup properly? Or should I ask one of them to test.
[18:57] <jussi> I went to do it and tsimpson beat me
[18:57] <Tm_T> jussi: harsh, beating you when you tried to be helpful
[18:57] <ikonia> Pici: has it been decided now for #ubuntu-women ?
[18:57] <bilalakhtar> jussi: oh!
[18:57] <Pici> ikonia: it?
[18:57] <ikonia> Pici: #ubuntu-women using BT
[18:58] <Pici> ikonia: Yes, that was decided a bit ago.
[18:58] <ikonia> I missed that one
[18:58] <tsimpson> Pici: looks like they are all set (not that I've done an extensive test)
[18:58] <Pici> tsimpson: okay, thanks :)
[19:20] <jussi> Ubottu.com will get a restart tomorrow about this time, so we will lose bots for a short time.
[19:21] <jussi> a stupid one at that...
[21:03] <rww> Meh. I did ask Agent00* a few times yesterday to quit with the "chick" and "girl" silliness. If they start up again, I think they've had enough warnings.
[21:04] <jussi> rww: its a grreat idea to use @mark when you have spoken to someone like that, it lets us know they have been spoken to so we dont give them the same leeway as they should now know.
[21:05] <rww> ah, I forgot about that. Thanks :)


[02:28] <NCommander> fabbione, ping?
[22:07] <fabbione> NCommander: pong?
[22:09] <NCommander> fabbione, do you still have any interest in sparc so I can bounce a silo question off you? :-)
[22:10] <fabbione> NCommander: it depends on what release
[22:11] <NCommander> fabbione, karmic, as I'm trying to resurrect the sparc port
[22:11] <fabbione> -ENOCARE
[22:11] <NCommander> :-/
[22:11] <fabbione> i don't have anything sparc running > hardy
[22:11] <fabbione> and -ENOTIME to fix other releases
[22:11] <fabbione> but try to ask
[22:11] <fabbione> the code doesn't seem to have changed a lot
[22:12] <NCommander> fabbione, well, I want to put a bullet in siloconfig :-)
[22:14] <NCommander> fabbione, as it stands, in some circumstances, it runs during d-i, and completely hangs the installation when it does run. Ideally, siloconfig should be rewritten to use debconf, but I rather remove it from the postinst completely for now, and let silo-installer do its thing at install time.
[22:15] <fabbione> go ahead :)


[09:53] <pstolowski> cimi, morning! approved https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity-scopes-shell/fix-overview-results-sorting/+merge/313075 with just one remark - would be nice to remove the extra empty line before landing
[09:55] <pstolowski> cimi, btw, while testing this I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1650494 which is unrelated to his changes (we have this issue with old code too)
[09:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1650494 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Un-favoriting a scope after changing the order leaves gaps in Manage dash" [Undecided,New]
[09:56] <pstolowski> cimi, I've added unity8 to that bug too, although I suspect it's probably shell plugin doing something wrong (no signaling changes properly or some such)
[14:25] <mterry> @unity, everyone's CI jobs would have failed recently due to a non-existent 2263 silo.  I fixed our CI config to not use that anymore (it landed, PPA was deleted)
[14:50] <ltinkl> mterry, thanks for that; yesterday I rebuilt manually https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/appdrawer-direct-search/+merge/313240 w/o the offending silo, it finished successfully but still no results show up in that MP, any idea?
[14:58] <mterry> ltinkl: no not sure
[15:22] <tsdgeos> meh
[15:22] <tsdgeos> ok tx
[23:24] <mterry> josharenson: lp:~mterry/unity8/simple-lightdm-mock has just the lightdm mock refactor split out
[23:25] <mterry> I'm going to rebase a lot of my branches off that
[23:25] <mterry> While I let the session-lightdm branch sit until I can get back to it
[23:25] <mterry> Will do last minute check and proposal on Monday
[23:28] <mterry> Eh, tests just finished and were good.  So here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/simple-lightdm-mock/+merge/313478


[00:04] <mup> Bug #1711249 opened: Why? <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711249>
[00:31] <PhoenixMage> Any snapcraft devs online?