[18:45] <ahalverson> tush, what is the full name of your sound card?
[18:45] <zykotick9> MrGizmo757: i'd "guess" that -r 25 is setting a frame rate of 25... that may, or may not, be an issue.
[18:45] <tush> ahalverson, Creative Elite Pro
[18:45] <tozen_> Merkidemis: just sources.list
[18:45] <ahalverson> alright
[18:46] <Merkidemis> tozen_: ok, one moment
[18:46] <eczlea> SonikkuAmerica, why does yahoo think I am from australia when I am not from AU !
[18:46] <delocaz> eczlea: Did you choose Australia when you installed Ubuntu?
[18:46] <zykotick9> eczlea: you said this changed with multiple browsers right?  if that's the case, it's a DNS issue - nothing to do with ubuntu.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> tush , that's strange , open alsamixer and check the chip in the upper left
[18:46] <ahalverson> tush: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/27467/get-creative-soundcard-working-correctly
[18:47] <eczlea> not at all delocaz
[18:47] <SonikkuAmerica> eczlea: For the same reason people think I'm not American because I prefer cricket over baseball... but yeah, delocaz might have something
[18:47] <Merkidemis> tozen_: http://pastebin.com/zgFCJWnC
[18:47] <eczlea> yeah it did zykotick9 . So how to fix this DNS issue (if it can be fixed?) I did sudo /etc/init.d/ncsd restart
[18:47] <zykotick9> eczlea: DNS or Yahoo... but either way, not ubuntu related.
[18:48] <eczlea> zykotick9, that was nice way to tell me to leave #ubuntu :P
[18:48] <MrGizmo757> Well the Video itself looks fine.  the audio is behind. the longer the recording is the more out of sync it gets.   that would be a bitrate issue wouldn't it?
[18:48] <tush> BluesKaj, ahalverson one thing i want to clear Sound coming from Speakers fine, but not from Headphone which i use from IO pannel of Sound card
[18:49] <zykotick9> eczlea: no, that was a way of saying this is related to things outside of #ubuntu's and probably your control.
[18:49] <MrGizmo757> i dont know though. i am kind of a noob with ffmpeg
[18:49] <ahalverson> tush: oooooooohhhhhhh, that changes everything
[18:49] <eczlea> delocaz, the redirects to in.yahoo.com worked fine all this while.I got this strange problem today only. Will restart the router and check.
[18:49] <tush> ahalverson, means
[18:49] <tms> Hey Folks, I was curious if there was any equivalent to growl for the whole linux thing. Basically I SSH from my laptop to my workstation almots constantly and run finch there. Problem is, on the laptop I see no notifications at all. A system like growl where I could forward notficiations around would be ideal, but google doesn't seem to have much for me
[18:49] <tms> any ideas?
[18:49] <eczlea> zykotick9, ok. I was just joking.Thanks for help . SonikkuAmerica and delocaz !
[18:49] <ahalverson> tush: let me think
[18:49] <Biomechd> hey guys, i'm trying to set up my hdtv as a secondary monitor so i can use it to watch movies when i want to, but i'm having difficulty getting it to display my desktop properly.
[18:49] <tush> ahalverson, drivers not working for IO pannel of elite pro card
[18:49] <zykotick9> MrGizmo757: if the frame rate of teh video and audio don't match, they'll be out of sync.
[18:50] <SonikkuAmerica> eczlea: yw
[18:50] <SonikkuAmerica> !u | SonikkuAmerica
[18:50] <ahalverson> tush: have you made sure the card is fully connected?
[18:50] <MrGizmo757> ok. ill try it then.  since the video is ahead of the audio i should lower it you think? maybe to 15?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> tush,in alsamixer make sure your headphone ctrl is turned up and not muted (MM) , use F5 to see all the ctrls
[18:51] <ahalverson> blueskaj: good idea
[18:51] <tush> ahalverson, yes connected working fine with windows7 ; )
[18:51] <zykotick9> MrGizmo757: i'm not sure.  but north american video is usually at 29.?? FPS
[18:51] <ahalverson> ok
[18:51] <MrGizmo757> 29.97 or something like that.
[18:52] <Merkidemis> tozen_: I am thinking it's trying to fetch via ipv6, which isn't getting through my ipv4 router, but I don't know how to disable/remove ipv6.
[18:52] <pertu> dammit, after update my ati catalyst drivers went disabled mode :D
[18:52] <Merkidemis> tozen_: Here is the error I get: W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Cannot initiate the connection to security.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1360:8c01::18). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 80]
[18:53] <MrGizmo757> but ill give it a shot. and ill also try that -asynch thing too.  hopfully one of them will solve it.  if not i atleast know what to search for in the forums. thanks for the help
[18:53] <zykotick9> MrGizmo757: that -async is suppose to sync the audio and video frames somehow?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> MrGizmo757, that's some string for your conversion there , seems there's a lot going on ...is it all necessary?
[18:53] <tush> ahalverson, BluesKaj already checked no option for Headphone volume
[18:53] <ahalverson> strange
[18:53] <tush> ahalverson, BluesKaj wanna check screen shot
[18:53] <BluesKaj> tush, ok
[18:53] <ahalverson> yes please
[18:54] <MrGizmo757> yeah i read in a forum -asynch is suppose to help with this issue too. but there were no details on it.
[18:54] <OerHeks> pertu, how did you install them, from their website? and cursing is not needed to get attention.
[18:55] <tush> ahalverson, BluesKaj  check http://imgur.com/rbiQHIc
[18:55] <MrGizmo757> if my audio and video were consistant i could just clean it up in kdenlive or somthing.  but  that's not the case. it starts of fine and the audio and video get more and more out of sync of the recording progresses.
[18:55] <ahalverson> tush: see you hope i was a help
[18:55] <MrGizmo757> so something has to be a missmatched.  bitrates or framerates like you said.
[18:56] <tush> ahalverson, what
[18:56] <BluesKaj> tush , you haven't got the "line" volume turned up
[18:57] <tush> BluesKaj, ahalversion, i tried nothing happen
[18:57] <BluesKaj> ok , bummer
[18:57] <BluesKaj> tush,^
[18:59] <MrGizmo757> according to youtube removeing -f sameq  and replacing it with -b 60000k  should help.  it did help a little but not enough.  the fact that it changed at all confirms its a bitrate/framerate issue. i guess i just have to play with the numbers until i find the sweet spot.
[18:59] <MrGizmo757> anyways  thanks for the help.
[19:01] <tush> BluesKaj, so any idea
[19:01] <tush> BluesKaj, why my IO panel not working in ubuntu 12.04
[19:03] <ParadoxVoid> Heya. Did anyone try my low-jitter config?
[19:04] <duhamel> hello all, i am running ubuntu12.10 dual boot windows 8 on hp envy m6 1148ca and cant get wireless to work
[19:04] <duhamel> any help?
[19:04] <eczlea> How to change dns to <IP_ADDRESS> in ubuntu 12.04
[19:04]  * |nv|s|b|e is now known as |nv|s|b|e
[19:05] <BluesKaj> tush, IO panel , is that a gui ?
[19:05] <tush> BluesKaj, no let me show you
[19:05] <SuperGauntlet> Question, has anyone else had this issue:
[19:05] <tush> BluesKaj, http://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://img.hexus.net/v2/audio/creative/x-fi/external.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hexus.net/ce/reviews/audio-visual/3580-creative-sound-blaster-x-fi-elite-pro/?page%3D2&h=934&w=1544&sz=140&tbnid=dyXwR81TFqtdmM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__icfnUeHWNZF8esMQJt93_DSsquQ=&docid=mwodmtiOIYp-lM&sa=X&ei=fKxpUb6SCcPQrQehgYHYDg&ved=0CDEQ9QEwAA&dur=264
[19:05] <SuperGauntlet> Run ubuntu off USB disk with persistence (made with usb-creator-gtk), works fine on the computer it was created with, does not work on a computer with UEFI
[19:06] <CRPL> hello
[19:06] <duhamel> hello all, i am running ubuntu12.10 dual boot windows 8 on hp envy m6 1148ca and cant get wireless to work
[19:07] <tozen_> Merkidemis: which server u have installed?
[19:07] <tush> BluesKaj, got now what IO panel im talking about
[19:07] <ParadoxVoid> No low-jitter enthusiasts?
[19:07] <Merkidemis> tozen_: lucid, 64bit
[19:07] <tush> BluesKaj, that thing not working at all in ubuntu 12.04
[19:08] <BluesKaj> ok tush what kind of connection are you feeding the panel/device with from your pc
[19:08] <tush> BluesKaj, even volume control not working because of drivers issue or something like that im not so Pro in linux :(
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> SuperGauntlet, Have you seen the UEFI wiki?
[19:09] <tush> BluesKaj,  its Wire like Paralllel Cable what we use for older printer
[19:09] <SuperGauntlet> where is that?
[19:09] <tush> Blues
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | SuperGauntlet Not sure if this will help with loaded usb.
[19:09] <BluesKaj> tush, no coaxial available ?
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> SuperGauntlet, Should though.
[19:10] <SuperGauntlet> I think I looked at this
[19:10] <tush> BluesKaj, aahh optical Coax and analog all connected
[19:10] <tozen_> Merkidemis: i think so lucyd support is finished already
[19:11] <tush> BluesKaj, but IO panel not working thats the thing
[19:11] <SuperGauntlet> I think the issue is that when loading the .efi boot image Ubuntu doesn't have a persistence option
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> SuperGauntlet, THe problem with UEFI is different manufacturers have their own modified versions, so it is hit and miss. However at the Ubuntu Forums are daily helpers concentrating on UEFI, you might check or start a thread there.
[19:11] <SuperGauntlet> wilee-nilee: Okay
[19:12] <SuperGauntlet> uefi has been a serious cf I really question why it was even implemented like it was
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> SuperGauntlet, I doubt a casper-rw file in the sick is the problem.
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> stick*
[19:12] <duhamel> hello all, i am running ubuntu12.10 dual boot windows 8 on hp envy m6 1148ca and cant get wireless to work it is listed as unclaimed
[19:12] <duhamel> just point me in the direction
[19:13] <Merkidemis> tozen_: according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS support doesn't end until 2015
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> duhamel, Name the wireless set up you can find it with lspci in the terminal.
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> Merkidemis, desktop is eol april 9th the server is 2015
[19:14] <duhamel> rtl8111/8168b pci express ethernet controller
[19:15] <Merkidemis> wilee-nilee: I am running server
[19:15] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: MAY 9th actually.
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> Merkidemis, I figured that I missed the posts.
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Doh. ;)
[19:16] <Merkidemis> wilee-nilee: I am not looking forward to the dist-update, they never go well for me
[19:16] <vassilis> i wonder if i can hack in a system with ubuntu...
[19:16] <vassilis> it will be easy?
[19:17] <tush> BluesKaj, ?
[19:17] <vassilis> does anybody knows?
[19:17] <duhamel> network controller ralink corp. device 3290
[19:17] <mustafa> What channel to talk about c++? Because in #c++ no one is replying?
[19:18] <mustafa> !c++
[19:18] <duhamel> wilee-nilee: is that what you needed to know
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> duhamel, This 12.04, I see options to try 12.10, on a live cd to see if that works.
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> duhamel, Not an area of expertise, I was just trying to get enough details to the channel for you.
[19:19] <jebech> I was running out of space on my /boot partition, decided to purge some old kernels;
[19:20] <Merkidemis> BAH! STOP TRYING TO USE IPV6! IT DOESN'T WORK!
[19:20] <Merkidemis> Stupid server
[19:20] <duhamel> thank you.
[19:20] <jebech> Forgot to update-initramfs, before reboot (but update-grub).
[19:21] <jebech> Now I get kernel panic. (unable-to-mount-root-fs)
[19:21] <BluesKaj> tush, I'm looking at the system and it seems very complicated to setup, however alsamixer shows mostly all IOs , so why the signal isn't moving between the soundcard and the console is puzzling , but I'm not familiar with this kind of setup
[19:21] <jebech> I'm booted on a livecd, and have mounted /dev, /proc /sys and /run
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> duhamel, I did just find this though, be sure it is exactly the same card. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040656
[19:22] <jebech> chroot to /mnt (which is mount to my / partition)
[19:22] <SuperGauntlet> wilee-nilee: tried cs cameron's post here and it didn't seem to work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2108487
[19:22] <jebech> can run update-initramfs, but can't update-grub because /boot is on a its own partition.
[19:22] <jebech> Do I mount sda1 (boot partition) to /boot or ?
[19:23] <JustinianCode> anyone had experience with some motherboard/cpu combination with integrated graphics that are (1) cheap (2) stable (3) play well with linux?
[19:23] <tush> BluesKaj, when i plug in my headphone in IO panel no response from sound card nothing
[19:23] <BluesKaj> tush, my m-audio soundcard feeds the spdif digtal signal to an audio receiver. quite simple
[19:24] <JustinianCode> looking to replace the motherbaord on a system that fried. Wish I could find something that didn't need a fan...
[19:24] <Biomechd> can anyone help me set up my tv as a secondary monitor?
[19:24] <mJayk> JustinianCode: I've heard the intel i3's have good graphical performance inubuntu + they are cheap[
[19:24] <tush> BluesKaj, optical Coaxail and Analog all sound coming from speakers but not from Headphones
[19:24] <BluesKaj> tush try plugging your headphones into the pc front panel
[19:25] <tush> BluesKaj, it will work
[19:25] <BluesKaj> do the speakers have a headphone output , tush?
[19:25] <JustinianCode> yeah, I saw that. They are more than I was looking to spend, but I may decide to spend more.
[19:25] <tush> BluesKaj, yes
[19:25] <paul137> question: is samba only for ubuntu/windows networks?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> try that
[19:26] <sdrhrgjkng> My touchpad's left click stops working occasionally, and I have to reboot for it to start working again. How do I fix this?
[19:26] <BluesKaj> tush, ^'
[19:26] <histo> paul137: it's only for windows networks
[19:26] <histo> !info samba | paul137
[19:26] <paul137> it seems so -  because my two ubuntu machines don't talk to each other
[19:27] <histo> paul137: they will over samba if it's configured properly
[19:27] <thisisnusts> lol i just booted usb live and my wifi works
[19:27] <histo> paul137: It's just a networking protocol there are others you can use.
[19:27] <paul137> hmm - I've been trying and been doing tons of googling
[19:28] <BluesKaj> tush , the headphones will only work when plugged into an analog circuit , the source may need switching on the console .
[19:28] <histo> paul137: what are you trying to share or do?
[19:28] <tush> BluesKaj, Console not working at all
[19:28] <paul137> I'm trying to view a file on my desk top machine from my laptop
[19:29] <histo> paul137: you could use nfs or sshfs or samba if you want to use samba I will have ubottu send you the link
[19:29] <dr_willis> paul137:  easy way is to use ssh and the sshfs  tool to mounte the remote machine to a local directory
[19:29] <histo> !samba | paul137 The second link
[19:30] <tush> BluesKaj, Console not working even volume up and down
[19:31] <BluesKaj> tush , i don't think the console needs drivers , is the serial port connected as well ?
[19:31] <paul137> so what your'e saying is connecting two  ubuntu machines must be done with nfs or ssh - is that right?
[19:32] <tush> BluesKaj, yes, it work in Windows Fine
[19:32] <tush> BluesKaj, only ubuntu :(
[19:32] <jebech> Does anyone have an idea?
[19:32] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: On?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> tush did the console need drivers in windows or just the soundcard ?
[19:33] <Vivekananda> anyone can help me with libre0ffice messing up letter spacing in writer.
[19:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Vivekananda: #libreoffice
[19:33] <tush> BluesKaj,  i downloaded drivers for windows 7 64bit for sound card
[19:34] <histo> paul137: no you can use samba to connect them if you want.
[19:34] <tush> BluesKaj, console need some defab to respond in linux
[19:34] <histo> paul137: they are all just different networking protocols
[19:34] <Vivekananda> SonikkuAmerica: I am already there. no responses :(. Everyone is sleeping in there
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. Well then wake 'em up! :)
[19:36] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, http://askubuntu.com/questions/96298/how-to-activate-kerning-in-libreoffice
[19:36] <paul137> I've set the smb.conf file on both machines running samba no luck
[19:37] <paul137> each machine only shows itself as part of the windows network
[19:37] <paul137> without both being visable, they can't talk to each other - i think
[19:37] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica:
[19:37] <jebech> Ubuntu wanted to upgrade kernel, but couldn't because I was running out of space on my /boot partition, decided to purge some old kernels;
[19:37] <jebech> Forgot to update-initramfs, before reboot (but update-grub).;
[19:37] <jebech> Now I get kernel panic. (unable-to-mount-root-fs);
[19:37] <jebech> Following http://askubuntu.com/questions/116635/kernel-panic-not-syncing-vfs-unable-to-mount-root-fs-on-unknown-block-oo-swapper
[19:37] <jebech> I'm booted on a livecd, and have mounted /mnt to /dev/sda3 (my / partition)
[19:37] <jebech> But after I chroot, I don't have boot, because it is located on another partition (/dev/sda1)
[19:37] <FloodBot1> jebech: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:38] <dr_willis> paul137:  you did set up some shares on each box. and gave the users a samba password? "sudo smbpasswd username" ?
[19:38] <LoneTrooper> Does anyone know about next release of Ubuntu? There s final beta 13.04 available but i want to wait for final version.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> tush, defab ?
[19:38] <dr_willis> LoneTrooper:  then go get it... see #ubuntu+1 for support for it
[19:38] <tush> BluesKaj,  nothing : p
[19:38] <paul137> i have not given the user name - let me try that
[19:39] <LoneTrooper> i dont want beta but thx for response
[19:39] <tush> BluesKaj, i think it wont work in linux
[19:39] <mJayk> LoneTrooper: Afaik It is 25th of this month
[19:39] <SonikkuAmerica> LoneTrooper: 2013.04.25 or 15th Iyyar 5773
[19:39] <dr_willis> paul137:  for simple transfers - linux to linux, sshfs and ssh are easier to get going then samba. Unless you need 'windows shares' for other pcs on the lan
[19:39] <tush> BluesKaj, :(
[19:39] <dr_willis> LoneTrooper:  then what do you want? its in testing... wait for final release.. or not.
[19:39] <LoneTrooper> oh good to know new date thx mJayk, america
[19:39] <SuperGauntlet> Hey, on the topic of samba
[19:40] <SuperGauntlet> Why not just use webmin?
[19:40] <tush> BluesKaj, you still searching for some clue
[19:40] <histo> paul137: if you want to disable samba asking for user/pass change the samba config to security = share instead of security = user
[19:40] <SuperGauntlet> I know it's a bit of a cop-out but it makes it all a lot simpler
[19:40] <dr_willis> SuperGauntlet:  webmin is not reccomended under ubuntu.
[19:40] <SuperGauntlet> dr_willis: Any reason why?
[19:40] <dr_willis> and really theres n othing webmin does for samba that shouldent allredy been done by default
[19:40] <dr_willis> !webmin
[19:40] <paul137> let me try that first
[19:40] <SuperGauntlet> Oh okay. Didn't realize.
[19:41] <tush> BluesKaj, i hav to go now will try next time anyways thanks for your helping me :)
[19:42] <BluesKaj> ok tush , still think all you needis the sound card , the console is for recording etc
[19:43] <ronillon> hi, please is there some good gui for grub configuration you could recommend?
[19:44] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: You should have run update-initramfs so it could run a new initrd image.
[19:44] <silvia> ciao
[19:45] <dr_willis> ronillon:  cant say ive really noticed any GRUB gui tools in the default repos.. you may want to check askubuntu.com to see if any are reccomended.. ive never needed a gui
[19:45] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: Yes, I realise my brain blunder, however I am at a loss as of how to fix it. Do I mount /dev/sda1 to /boot?
[19:46] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: Well, becuase /boot is in /dev/sda1 you'll need to mount that.
[19:47] <ronillon> dr_willis: i do not need it for myself actually, friend of mine is starting with linux these days and asked me for something that he could use, cause he does not have whole lot of time to mess with the configs
[19:47] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: But not AS /boot; that's not allowed
[19:47] <bingo> hi
[19:47] <ronillon> dr_willis: but yeah, i will look there
[19:47] <LoneTrooper> does anyone have experience with driver for graphics tablet called wizardpen or DIGImend?
[19:47] <bingo> how do i delete Skye data after i have removed it?
[19:48] <tozen_> bingo: sudo apr-get purde --remove skype
[19:48] <dr_willis> ronillon:  actually - i rarely need to mess with the grub configs at all... ;)
[19:48] <dr_willis> bingo:  what skye data?
[19:48] <tozen_> bingo: sudo apr-get purge --remove skype
[19:48] <nightdemon666> any one who can help is appreciated... I am running ubuntu lts 12.04. i had been running "indicator-weather" (weather indicator app that displays on your panel [thats what i prefer]), and had been running it for a while. I love it. looks good on the panel! but after a while of running it would just stop. then i could re-run the app again, and all would be good until it would just close on its own and disappear from the
[19:48] <bingo> Skype remembers my username even after i remove using software center
[19:49] <mikerussel_> __̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡.___
[19:50] <mikerussel_> bingo: find / skype
[19:50] <ronillon> dr_willis: true same with me, but he is multibooting with few another OSes and wants to change the order and time for decision which OS to start. so i figured it would be better to give him a tool, rather than doing it for him or something like that
[19:50] <dr_willis> bingo:  the pacvkage manager system does NOT touch your config files in your HOME directory...
[19:50] <dr_willis> bingo:  so look for the skype config files and remove them
[19:50] <aguitel> i have  Acer Aspireone 725 , this is the video card : VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 980a
[19:50] <aguitel> ,how install catalyst driver?
[19:50] <dr_willis> ronillon:  multi os's then he really should be learning grub. ;)
[19:51] <dr_willis> bbl
[19:51] <LoneTrooper> aguitel try this wiki.cchtml.com/
[19:51] <paul137> I made security change on both machines - i'm waiting a few minutes for it to take effect
[19:51] <bingo> dr_willis: just manually delete?
[19:51] <mikerussel_> aguitel: go to ati.com>download>install it
[19:52] <dr_willis> bingo:  err.. since the package manager wont TOUCH files in your home..  yes..
[19:52] <Lainey4214> Hello, I'm using ubuntu 12.10. When I go to take a screenshot, it gives me a black picture. I tried pressing prtscn, alt+prtscn, and going to screenshot, and I get the same results.
[19:52] <LoneTrooper> but then u need to build deb package from driver that has run extension
[19:52] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: Would you mind commenting on http://pastebin.com/2MJ6nLbV
[19:52] <aguitel> i didnt find in ati site
[19:52] <LoneTrooper> just see http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[19:53] <ronillon> dr_willis: maybe you are right, but from what he said, he is just testing different distribution right now, till he finds one, that fits him most. so it's probably one time (or so) thing
[19:53] <cloudgeek> how to remove a directory with full of data
[19:53] <vlt> cloudgeek: -r
[19:53] <nightdemon666> cloudgeek
[19:53] <nightdemon666> rm -r
[19:53] <cloudgeek> vlt: -r not owkring
[19:53] <vlt> cloudgeek: You might need -f
[19:54] <bingo> ok thanks
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: It should at least say it was generating an initrd.img
[19:54] <histo> cloudgeek: rm -rf /path/to/directory
[19:54] <paul137> how long do i have to wait for  security change to take effect?
 u can use pcmanfm file manager that allows u to manipulate files using graphical user interface with administrative rights
[19:54] <starrywinternigh> im running xubuntu 12.10 and i wondering how to change my docky icon at the bottom of the csreen
[19:54] <tozen_> cloudgeek: rm -rf
[19:54] <starrywinternigh> screem*
[19:54] <histo> paul137: after you change the config sudo service samba restart
[19:54] <cloudgeek> histo: i tired rm -rf ~/.vim but not working
[19:54] <Lainey4214> When I take screenshots, they come out black
[19:54] <tozen_> cloudgeek: with sudo
[19:54] <paul137> I did - i'll take a look now
[19:54] <histo> cloudgeek: can you describe "not working"
[19:54] <nightdemon666> what would cause the OS to deny deleteing a directory??? i have NEVER had to use the f option :/
[19:55] <ubuntu-studio> im running ubuntu studio
[19:55] <cloudgeek> histo: it done ! now yeah
[19:55] <ronillon> dr_willis: actually, now that im thinking about it. it might be benefitial for him to compare grub.cfg before and after changes
[19:55] <ubuntu-studio> from flash drive
[19:55] <starrywinternigh> how to change docky icons at the bottom of xubuntu 12.10?
[19:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !studio | ubuntu-studio
[19:55] <histo> starrywinternigh: ask in #xubuntu
[19:55] <ubuntu-studio> how do i mount drives when im running a live usb ubuntu
[19:55] <mikerussel_> aguitel: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[19:55] <Merkidemis> Would someone be able to help me convince apt to use ipv4 rather then ipv6?
[19:56] <histo> nightdemon666: f is used to not prompt and ignore nonexistent files
[19:56] <ubuntu-studio> i cant access files stored on my computer
[19:56] <Lainey4214> My screenshot isn't working.
[19:56] <LoneTrooper> nightdemon666 all files in location called file system needs administrative right in oder to make changes into them
[19:56] <iUnify> wzcvczx: Reinstalled... good stuff.  Thanks for the help.  I am having trouble figuring out what to use as alternatives to my Antivirus/Malware/Adware/Firewall as well as a Dreamweaver alternative, not sure Komposer will cut it.  Also, can't seem to get clamav to install for me, if that were one of the suggestions.  Also I am looking for a webcam Application, YouCam is what I used with windows.  Finally I found you can record somehow
[19:56] <iUnify> with VLC but I don't know the audio device directory and can't figure it out.  My mouse is still clicking randomly as well.  Sorry for such an influx of questions, man.  I sincerely appreciate the help.
[19:56] <LoneTrooper> the only place where u can do things freely is home directory
[19:56] <nightdemon666> it looked like the directory tryingot be delete was in a home folder though LoneTrooper
[19:56] <paul137> wow i see my other machine!
[19:57] <LoneTrooper> nightdemon666 check if the file has read olny attribute
[19:57] <ubuntu-studio> can any one see my chating
[19:57] <LoneTrooper> if yes then disable it
[19:57] <nightdemon666> ubuntu-studio you need to first type sudo fdisk -l /// this will show you the list of mountable drives
[19:57] <aguitel> mikerussel_, why this from ati site and not from ubuntu (jockey-gtk)
[19:58] <Lainey4214> My screenshots keep coming out as black.
[19:58] <ubuntu-studio> screw you lone troooper
[19:58] <ubuntu-studio> go eat a dick
[19:58] <LoneTrooper> what?
[19:58] <nightdemon666> then, you need to type sudo mount /dev/sdX what ever the drive is... for example sudo mount /dev/sda /media/"momunt point"
[19:58] <paul137> to histo i'm going over to my lap top now to make the same changes on its config
[19:58] <ubuntu-studio> you told them to disable
[19:58] <ubuntu-studio> me
[19:58] <Lainey4214> He wasn't talking about you.
[19:58] <nightdemon666> i suppose i should have stated to make sure you creat i directoy ubuntu studio
[19:58] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: Just retried, sadly it doesn't. But couldn't that be related to /boot being on another partition
[19:58] <jebech> ?
[19:58] <ubuntu-studio> oh my bad
[19:59] <ubuntu-studio> i feel stupid
[19:59] <ubuntu-studio> im sorry
[19:59] <nightdemon666> sudo mkdir /mnt/directory name or /media/directory name...
[19:59] <Lainey4214> It's okay.
[19:59] <DJones> ubuntu-studio: Don't swear in the channel, please keep it family friendly
[19:59] <ubuntu-studio> i was about to use backtrack on you lol
[19:59] <LoneTrooper> nevermind except everything on the INTERNET
[19:59] <mikerussel_> aguitel try thishttp://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[20:00] <ubuntu-studio> how do i view my drives on live usb ubuntu
[20:00] <Lainey4214> Can someone help me make screenshot work?
[20:00] <ubuntu-studio> i cant see it
[20:00] <nightdemon666> ubuntu-studio type sudo fdisk -l
[20:00] <ubuntu-studio> ok
[20:01] <nightdemon666> then type sudo mkdir /media/(whatever-you-want-here)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> LoneTrooper, perhaps use the nick your directing your answers to from now on , saves confusion
[20:01] <nightdemon666> then, for example if the drive you want to "see" is in /dev/sda1 then you need ot type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/(the-name-of-the-directory-you-created)
[20:01] <ubuntu-studio> then what do i do
[20:01] <ubuntu-studio> night demon
[20:02] <ubuntu-studio> im using a live usb version
[20:02] <nightdemon666> its fairly standard linux/unix commands ubuntu-studio, it wouldnt matter if you were on gentoo or fedora or what ever
[20:02] <delocaz> Hello! I'm installing Ubuntu through the mini ISO (text-based installer). It errors at "Choose and install packages". It came close to finished, then errored. If I try to start again, it errors. It doesn't give any error description, just that there is an error.
[20:02] <delocaz> Can anyone help?
[20:03] <wilee-nilee> delocaz, You are plugged in with ethernet?
[20:03] <ubuntu-studio> ok so i have to partition drives to view files already on windows
[20:03] <delocaz> wilee-nilee: yes
[20:04] <wilee-nilee> delocaz, Did you just chose the xubuntu-desktop, and is this a msdos disc I assume?
[20:04] <delocaz> I chose xubuntu-desktop, yes. And this is the one you linked an hour ago
[20:04] <wilee-nilee> delocaz, Right, this is not a gpt disc?
[20:04] <nightdemon666> steps are, first see what linux kernel sees physically connected ot mobo (sudo fdisk -l) then creat the mount point (sudo mkdir /media/sda1 <-for example) then (sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1) now you will see the contents of drive either graphically or via command line :)
[20:05] <delocaz> wilee-nilee: I don't know what a gpt disc is, but it's this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:05] <ubuntu-studio> ok
[20:05] <nightdemon666> no ubuntu-studio, you do NOT have to partition drives in order to view the contents of data on the drives, windows or not
[20:05] <wilee-nilee> delocaz, I mean the HD, it did not come with W8, or is a apple computer?
[20:05] <ubuntu-studio> need some help
[20:06] <delocaz> wilee-nilee: I don't see how that is relevant, but it's an old Windows XP computer
[20:06] <nightdemon666> ... ubutn-studio, i am helping you
[20:06] <ubuntu-studio> ff
[20:06] <gui_user> trying to remotely troubleshoot.  reportedly 12.10 only shows one line of gnome-terminal (launched from <alt><f2>) unless you fullscreen.  Similar issues with firefox, et all.  ...
[20:06] <nightdemon666> delocaz, gpt disk partition does matter to win xp i believe
[20:06] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: If I run update-initramfs -u -k 3.5.0-27-generic instead of -k all I get a whole slew of errors (could not read /lib/modules/... and all sorts), all culminating in failed for /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic with 1
[20:07] <delocaz> nightdemon666: Well, I formatted it as ext4 before the error
[20:07] <histo> ubuntu-studio: No you just mount them
[20:07] <ubuntu-studio> i need noodles
[20:07] <histo> ubuntu-studio: if they are already being used by windows they are already partitioned and formated
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: Is that the kernel version you're updating?
[20:07] <LoneTrooper> Does anybody know if wizardpen or DIGImend may work better on openSUSE?
[20:07] <jebech> yes
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> LoneTrooper  better ask in the opensuse channel
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> delocaz, I don't know that, and see know post about that, I realize you are frustrated, don't take it out on me. ;)
[20:08] <paul137> to histo - I'm seeing both machines on both machine's network but I can't see the file in the folder
[20:08] <nightdemon666> well delocaz, you need ot have a partition to install on... im not sure exactly ewhat the error is, i even read your above discription.
[20:08] <histo> paul137: did you create a share?
[20:09] <gui_user> appearently the window can be made even smaller, but not larger (eg increased to a usable size)
[20:09] <paul137> i created a share using nautilus
[20:09] <histo> paul137: right click on the directory and got to sharing option in the file browser
[20:09] <iUnify> what do you guys recomend I use for AV/AM/Adware/Firewall?
[20:09] <delocaz> nightdemon666: The text-based installer fomats a drive before it installs anything, like the normal installer. It just errored at around 90% of the package installation
[20:09] <nightdemon666> anyway, anyone ever had issues with indicator-weather app closing by its self, and find a resolution??? i havent found one yet :(
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> !av
[20:09] <jebech> double check on boot partition; has abi-3.5.0-27-generic config-3.5.0-27-generic and vmlinux-3.5.0-27-generic
[20:10] <nightdemon666> delocaz, and the partition is large enough correct?
[20:10] <paul137> i'm assuming i have to be in nautilus - let me give it a try
[20:10] <delocaz> nightdemon666: 80gb, yes
[20:10] <nightdemon666> have you ever instaleld anything else to that partition?
[20:10] <nightdemon666> like any other linux distros
[20:10] <delocaz> Yes, after XP, I successfully installed Debian. Then I tried to install Xubuntu through the mini ISO (normal one didn't work and didn't boot to installer at all)
[20:11] <nightdemon666> and you say you cant see any of the displayed errors, it doesnt tell you what the error is???
[20:11] <delocaz> nightdemon666: It simply says "An error occured in step Choose and Install Packages"
[20:11] <delocaz> Or something like that
[20:11] <delocaz> The installer is the same as Debians, and the one Ubuntu had before Ubiquity
[20:12] <nightdemon666> delocaz, did you try and install just nothing but base packages, like, not selecting anything special?
[20:12] <delocaz> nightdemon666: No, but it won't let me choose again. Simply says there is an error
[20:12] <cablop|2> what graphical interface do you recommend for an Ubuntu server? we need to access it remotely
[20:12] <nightdemon666> is the drive healthy?
[20:12] <jrib> cablop|2: whatever you want.  Depends on your needs.  Personally I would recommend not using one
[20:13] <nightdemon666> cablop, just as a point to make, wouldnt that defete the purpose of a server??? GUI?
[20:13] <delocaz> nightdemon666: Should be, yes. Doesn't give any SMART errors
[20:13] <delocaz> Remember, it's this installer: http://img.bhs4.com/51/d/51d8459626a33cf128f6ed4b9a89d004b4aee69e_large.jpg
[20:13] <paul137> to histo - the folder showing as being shared on my laptop
[20:14] <cablop|2> jrib, well, the thing is simple, we are going to need a windows server and we are planningnon virtualizing it on Ubuntu... the downside is that we need a GUI to install it... otherwise we need to install the Windows server as host and run the ubuntu one as a service (something that's odd by itself)
[20:14] <nightdemon666> but, cablop, i would recomment LXDM
[20:14] <nightdemon666> LXDM is nice and lightweight :)
[20:14] <iUnify> Thanks for the response.  I have read that documentation.  I can't get clam to install properly... also, from what I understand, having these protections, esp. firewall is highly recomended, and, I'd like to use the percausion.
[20:14] <TPiazza> struggling with what should be a simple bash script, want to run the following script after a fresh install of ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5705851/
[20:15] <cablop|2> nightdemon666: not realy, a GUI is ok for a server as long as we start it just on demand
[20:15] <nightdemon666> delocaz, did you try redownloading the iso? maybe corrupt?
[20:16] <delocaz> nightdemon666: It's not :)
[20:16] <francesco_> hi all... i have a problem with unity: when I maximize a window the buttons are hidden and moved at the left corner.. how can I make the buttons always on top? :) Thx.. :)
[20:17] <TPiazza> the problem is that a few of the commands require input from the user, so when i run the script it behaves differently
[20:17] <SonikkuAmerica> francesco_: System Settings > Appearance, Behavior tab, make sure the switch at the far right is ON.
[20:18] <delocaz> Just gonna try reinstalling, but not choosing any xubuntu packages so I'm left with a shell. (Then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop)
[20:18] <xorred> is it possible that enabling DenyHosts and Fail2Ban at the same time would somehow blacklist my own IP?
[20:18] <xorred> I am able to login a few times, then bam - my host is denied, even if it/s in /etc/allow_hosts
[20:19] <TPiazza> so clearly i am missing something, any ideas?
[20:20] <paul137> to dalocaz  i can see my folder on other computer for the first time but not its contents
[20:21] <nightdemon666> ok, again... anyone can help me with indicator-weather app in ubuntu 12.04?
[20:21] <nightdemon666> paul137, it sounds like a file permissions thing... just a thought
[20:21] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: Don't know if you saw; But double checked on boot partition; it has abi-3.5.0-27-generic config-3.5.0-27-generic and vmlinux-3.5.0-27-generic
[20:22] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: Nope, missed it. Got it now. And s/vmlinux/vmlinuz
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> nightdemon666, Mine was always funky and stopped working a couple of weeks ago.
[20:22] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: You are ofcourse, correct
[20:23] <nightdemon666> mine will work for a while and just stop unexpectly... no errors i can see from it willie-nilly... do you use a weather indicator app that appears on panel that is stable?
[20:24] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: Did you cd into the partition where /boot was?
[20:24] <TPiazza> any shell scripting gurus out there?
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> nightdemon666, Not really just look at the temp gauge, or my phone now.
[20:24] <nightdemon666> lol
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> I gave up on a working weather app, I have run several.
[20:24] <gcbirzan_> are you still supposed to use update-manager to update between releases?
[20:25] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica: It ends with update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-27-generic with 1; Ofcourse, /boot doesn't exist
[20:25] <Walex> TPiazza: there are probably several hundred shell scripting gurus in the world
[20:25] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: Ouch... you might want to ask someone else then.
[20:25] <Walex> jebech: if '/boot' does not exist that's quite bad
[20:25] <TPiazza> Walex: just wondering if any of them are online at the moment.....
[20:25] <Walex> TPiazza: probably somewhere.
[20:25] <SonikkuAmerica> jebech: I dunno much about the linux kernel and initrd
[20:26] <cablop|2> ok, adding more spice to the question... gui for a server, just used on demand, what about using XFCE instead of LXDE for remote access?
[20:26] <gcbirzan_> why do you need a GUI?
[20:26] <gcbirzan_> I mean, just start whatever X app youneed over ssh or something
[20:27] <cablop|2> gcbirzan_: we need to virtualize another server inside, a Windows Server, installation is graphical
[20:27] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica, Walex: It exists (/boot), just not on the chroot; it isn't mounted, and I don't know howto do that (chroot to /mnt which is mounted to /dev/sda3 (which is /), but /boot is /dev/sda1)
[20:27] <gcbirzan_> my statement still stands
[20:27] <gcbirzan_> plus, most of these things offer VNC or such
[20:27] <gcbirzan_> I know qemu does, and I'm sure vmware has something
[20:28] <Walex> cablop|2: use a simple window manager like FVWM2 or OpenBox
[20:28] <Carlinhos> Can I install 13.04 beta while preserving /home even though it isn't on a separate partition (default Ubuntu partitions)?
[20:28] <paul137> to 666 i've set read permissions on the file im trying to see still no luck
[20:28] <jebech> Walex: I'm on a livecd, following this guide: http://askubuntu.com/questions/116635/kernel-panic-not-syncing-vfs-unable-to-mount-root-fs-on-unknown-block-oo-swapper
[20:28] <gcbirzan_> Carlinhos: well, not easily
[20:29] <gcbirzan_> not sure it works in ubuntu, the installer is really annoying about partitions...
[20:29] <gcbirzan_> but you could try remoing everything except /home and just telling ubuntu to install there
[20:29] <Carlinhos> gcbirzan_: I read somewhere that re-installing ubuntu woudln't wipe out /home...
[20:29] <gcbirzan_> Carlinhos: also, I'm upgrading with dist-upgrade, because update manager has to be the most useless piece of crap ever
[20:30] <gcbirzan_> quite likely, it will end in hilary, but hey
[20:30] <Carlinhos> well i guess I will just do a backup and this time make sure /home is in a separate partition so it won't be a problem in future upgrades
[20:31] <Walex> jebech: then in the 'chroot' you can setup '/dev/', '/sys' and '/proc' and mount '/boot' too
[20:31] <jebech> Walex: I don't know howto mount /boot
[20:31] <Walex> jebech: something like: cd /dev; MAKEDEV std; MAKEDEV sda; mount /sys; mount /proc; mount /dev/sda1 /boot
[20:31] <Walex> jebech: all that after 'chroot'.
[20:31] <paul137> to 666 it seems that it maybe a passwording issue
[20:32] <Walex> jebech: reverse the 'mount' before existing the 'chroot'.
[20:32] <gcbirzan_> what is that makedev crap?
[20:32] <gcbirzan_> this is not 1990
[20:32] <paul137> im going to have delete the folders and then re-establish them
[20:32] <Walex> Carlinhos: do you want o *install* 13.04 or *upgrade* to 13.04?
[20:32] <gcbirzan_> mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev
[20:32] <gcbirzan_> voila
[20:33] <paul137> so here i go - ill report back on my progress
[20:33] <Carlinhos> Walex: I want to install, like a clean install while just leaving my /home untouched
[20:33] <Walex> gcbirzan_: you are assuming that the liveCD and the mounted "root" partition are form the same lineage and use compatbile device names...
[20:33] <gcbirzan_> Walex: what does it matter?
[20:33] <gcbirzan_> Walex: I mean
[20:34] <killer> is there any good decompilers for ubuntu
[20:34] <gcbirzan_> if it they're not, it won't work no matter how much you pray
[20:34] <francesco_>   cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`
[20:34] <cablop|2> gcbirzan_, Walex, thanks for the ideas... i think i am going to install a very very simple window manager, to help people get used to the server here... then use the aps via ssh
[20:34] <ronalds_maz> how to change lightdm configuration, for it to be gtk, not kde one
[20:34] <gcbirzan_> if your current kernel sees it as /dev/bunnies1, creating /dev/sda1 won't help you one bit
[20:34] <iUnify> uT users, do you prefer qbit or dulge?
[20:34] <ronalds_maz> I want default login manager
[20:35] <ronalds_maz> for ubuntu
[20:35] <ronalds_maz> as default
[20:35] <Walex> Carlinhos: well, that's a bit more difficult thasn an upgrade. However you can do it if you are careful with the installer. You will have to do manual partitioning in a shell
[20:35] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: update-alternatives --configure x-session-manager
[20:35] <longbyte1> Hi
[20:35] <zheoffec> hi
[20:35] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: might be --config
[20:36] <longbyte1> I never understood why installing any linux distros always turned out complicated.
[20:36] <Carlinhos> Walex: I'm afraid of messing things up so I'll just do a clean install and make sure /home is in a separate partition this time
[20:36] <zheoffec> ronalds_maz: cant you just uninstall kdm?
[20:36] <gcbirzan_> longbyte1: what, in particular, is complicated?
[20:36] <ronalds_maz> uninstalling kdm wouldn't break something?
[20:36] <longbyte1> Seriously, the installation process is supposed to be SIMPLE, and then when everything goes right, something fails and I have to spend the rest of my day figuring it out
[20:36] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: just try what I suggested
[20:37] <longbyte1> and then realizing that apt-get isn't in the shell
[20:37] <gcbirzan_> what does that even mean
[20:37] <ronalds_maz> ronalds_maz: update-alternatives --configure x-session-manager
[20:37] <ronalds_maz> this doesn't work
[20:37] <gcbirzan_> --config
[20:37] <zheoffec> longbyte1: do you have a problem or do you just want to complain?
[20:37] <gcbirzan_> I corrected myself
[20:37] <gcbirzan_> wow
[20:37] <longbyte1> I kind of have a question.
[20:38] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: nevermind, I'm an idiot
[20:38] <zheoffec> what is it?
[20:38] <longbyte1> What are the minimum requirements for installing lubuntu?
[20:38] <ronalds_maz> it did work, but for changing season
[20:38] <ronalds_maz> so I should remove kdm?
[20:38] <Carlinhos> do i need any more partitions other than / and /home? I have 4GB ram so I guess I don't need a swap partition?
[20:38] <longbyte1> Carlinhos: no, you can just delete the swap partition.
[20:39] <Carlinhos> longbyte1: it's for a new install so it isn't created yet
[20:39] <Carlinhos> but thanks
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> Carlinhos, You want a swap if you hibernate.
[20:40] <longbyte1> Yeah, you can just delete the partition and put the free space into the other 2 partitions.
[20:40] <zheoffec> longbyte1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu - see the header labeled "System requirements"
[20:40] <Carlinhos> in case I do want to hibernate, how large should my swap partition be with 4GB ram?
[20:40] <longbyte1> But as wilee-nilee just said, if you want to hibernate, you need 4 GB (I think) for swap.
[20:41] <wilee-nilee> Carlinhos, Yeah swap would be equal to ram.
[20:41] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: Turns out it's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[20:41] <longbyte1> zheoffec: doesn't say how much hard drive space I need.
[20:41] <ronalds_maz> config  /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[20:41] <ronalds_maz> ?
[20:41] <zheoffec> Carlinhos: I think ubuntu have removed the option to hibernate, leaving only the suspend option - wich i think only suspends to disk, not RAM
[20:41] <gcbirzan_> Just edit it
[20:42] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: It contains the path to the default DM
[20:42] <gcbirzan_> hibernate is suspend to disk
[20:42] <ronalds_maz> so what is default for lightdm
[20:42] <gcbirzan_> that's why you need DISK for it
[20:43] <zheoffec> I generally have my swap as the same as my memory just to be safe
[20:44] <longbyte1> swap depends on what you will be doing
[20:44] <wilee-nilee> you can add the hibernate, and you can suspend without a swap, both are different.
[20:44] <ronalds_maz> /usr/bin/kdm
[20:44] <ronalds_maz> what is alternative for ubuntus default one
[20:44] <longbyte1> If you're going to be playing games, adding swap will decrease performance but meet the requirements.
[20:44] <gcbirzan_> ronalds_maz: also, I think doing dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm should prompt you to select one
[20:45] <gcbirzan_> what the hell
[20:45] <gcbirzan_> longbyte1: decrease performance?
[20:45] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: for hibernate to work, swap need to be slightly larger then physical RAM, it needs to copy everything in RAM, and have room for the overhead of doing so.
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> longbyte1, Only if it swaps, you can set the swappiness different than 60 which is stock.
[20:45] <zheoffec> ronalds_maz: the three polular ones are GDM (GNOME), lightDM (used in Ubuntu), and KDM (KDE)
[20:46] <longbyte1> Yes, because hard drive activity will make read/write much slower.
[20:46] <longbyte1> Just go with wilee-nilee because right now I'm playing M$ flight simulator.
[20:46] <longbyte1> Which is a pretty good game.
[20:46] <Carlinhos> zykotick9: I'm thinking about a swap file instead which I can create after the install
[20:47] <ronalds_maz> I did dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm and it still uses kdm
[20:47] <zykotick9> longbyte1: swap makes a system faster, if you're actually using swap for memory - then all bets are off.  see "/msg ubottu swap" for confirmation.
[20:47] <gcbirzan_> as opposed to the performance increase of processes dying from no memory?
[20:47] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: i think you need a swap "partition" (by default) for hibernation.
[20:47] <zheoffec> does ubuntu use systemd?
[20:48] <longbyte1> Well, I think this is enough advice because I think of swap like page file for linux.
[20:48] <ronalds_maz> how do I return to classic ubuntu login manager, second tyme questioning
[20:48] <Carlinhos> zykotick9: Didn't know that. Anyway, I never use the total 4GB of my ram capacity, so an equally large swap partition should do I guess.
[20:49] <FFForever> Is it possible to su into another user and cd into a different directory at the same time?
[20:49] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: i don't think hibernate cares about what's in use, if partition doesn't equal ram+a_little i'd expect it to fail (or really, not start with some error).  good luck.
[20:50] <jebech> SonikkuAmerica, Walex, gcbirzan_: Thank you all for your patience and help. In the end, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair this fixed the problem, with 3-4 (albeit borring!) mouse clicks. Might be of help to the next chap.?
[20:50] <zykotick9> FFForever: fyi if you add a - to your su, it should go to that user's home directory
[20:50] <Alex_Slwk> hi
[20:50] <zheoffec> ronalds_maz: have you seen this question - http://askubuntu.com/questions/58023/how-can-i-make-lightdm-the-default-display-manager ?
[20:51] <FFForever> zykotick9, Yes, I am opening a login shell, but I also want to switch into a directory within the user home.
[20:51] <Carlinhos> zykotick9: In that case, should an additional 500MB be enough? I'm still wondering if I will actually use hibernation, someone said Ubuntu doesn't support it anymore.
[20:51] <zykotick9> FFForever: sorry, no further suggestions to your "issue" ;)
[20:52] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: hibernate is disabled by default in ubuntu, due to high failure rate.
[20:52] <jebech> Now, is it possible to make linux/grub "hot" reboot; So I avoid waiting for BIOS and RAID controller?
[20:52] <FFForever> zykotick9, I'm just trying to avoid typing out cd .../.../ 5 times a day. Yes, I could su into the user and alias it, but that still seems like something that could be automated from the initial su.
[20:52] <zheoffec> Carlinhos: the hibernation entry was removed from the me-menu, but that's not to say that ubuntu doesn't support it - you can use hibernation via `pm-hibernate` i think
[20:53] <Carlinhos> zykotick9: I have actually never used it so I'm thinking the additional space would be more useful.
[20:53] <zykotick9> FFForever: su can run command for sure, but cd'ing then leaving the terminal open?  that's a lot more complicated.  best of luck.
[20:54] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: what's cool about hibernate, is that it's an uptime "cheat".  my netbook had a ridiculous uptime, because i always used pm-hibernate, instead of shutting down.  other then that... eh, hibernate is perhaps yesterdays technology - today ;)
[20:55] <ronalds_maz> I made lightdm default but it still shows kdm as login manager
[20:55] <FFForever> zykotick9, Hmm.. What about loading a second bash session within the initial su? Besides a waste of resources it should work in theory.
[20:55] <zheoffec> ronalds_maz: did you see the link i gave you?
[20:55] <ronalds_maz> I saw
[20:55] <ronalds_maz> ....
[20:56] <ronalds_maz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm this doesn't work
[20:56] <ronalds_maz> neither do next comment in that link
[20:56] <meLon> Ever since 12.X, I haven't been able to get pulseaudio and alsa working together.  I'd really like to take advantage of the ability to have multiple programs outputing sound simutaneously, as well as using pulse in libao.conf.  Any suggestions?
[20:56] <Carlinhos> zykotick9: My boot takes less than 10 secs I think, shouldn't be problem. If I'm not mistaken, Windows8 actually uses the hibernate "cheat" by default.
[20:57] <ronalds_maz> default display manager shows /usr/sbin/lightdm
[20:57] <ronalds_maz> but I got kdm on login
[20:58] <Gnea> ronalds_maz: so remove kdm
[20:58] <FFForever> On an unrelated note, is it possible to automatically login a user on a headless server without using nodm/starting x?
[20:58] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: don't mention MS to me ;)  i'm serious about that.  but ya win8 removes copied files because of the way they hibernate (ridiculous stuff, fsf just put out an info graphic of win8 vs gnu/linux at https://www.fsf.org/windows8 )
[20:59] <Carlinhos> is a /boot partition needed or is it within the / partition?
[20:59] <zheoffec> ronalds_maz: try this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/48903/how-do-i-prevent-kdm-from-starting-at-boot
[20:59] <zheoffec> Carlinhos: it is contained in /
[20:59] <zykotick9> Carlinhos: unless you're doing something "special" don't use a separate /boot (it's not needed anymore, and leads to problems)
[20:59] <Carlinhos> Thanks
[21:00] <dodo3773> Just a quick test. Can anyone read this
[21:00] <Carlinhos> Yes
[21:00] <dodo3773> Carlinhos: Thank you
[21:00] <netherlands6> I have software error on dell inspiron 15R SE The system I have installed is: Ubuntu 13.04 beta2 (why 13.04 beta2? because I no longer have issues with graphic card or booting) I have no sound and I have some messages popup on screen, is there a way to analised the OS and fix those error? in command line, a specific software? Please tell me how.Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Aud
[21:00] <netherlands6> io Controller (rev 04)
[21:00] <ronalds_maz> no still nothing changed, must remove kdm then
[21:01] <zheoffec> does ubuntu use pulseaudio or alsa?
[21:01] <ronalds_maz> but if I will be trown in xserver broken graphics low res or something like that session, I will hate on this for long time, as dealing with multiple DE should be more easy
[21:02] <ronalds_maz> in 2013
[21:02] <zheoffec> ok
[21:02] <ronalds_maz> pulse audio probably
[21:03] <ronalds_maz> pavucontrol is main app behind audio in ubuntu
[21:04] <wilee-nilee> !13.04 > netherlands6
[21:04] <poisoned_dragon> No, Alsa is the main app behind audio in ubuntu
[21:04] <Vivekananda> libre office messing up the fonts. Do I have to go to windows for this ?
[21:04] <poisoned_dragon> Pulseaudio is just an audio server.
[21:04] <Vivekananda> is there no good alternative for getting correct and good looking letter spacing in ubuntu
[21:05] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, Did you see the link on kerning, if this is still an issue. Did you install the restricted extras for you dektop, ms fonts are part of that?
[21:05] <zheoffec> poisoned_dragon: alsa is also an audio server
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Vivekananda: Sometimes that happens if you updated components LibreOffice depends on; the kerning goes all outta whck
[21:05] <zheoffec> used in arch ;_
[21:05] <zheoffec> *;)
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> s/whck/whack
[21:06] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: I tried all settings of pair kerning with what I have. I have not installed restricted extras. Was that also there in that same link ?
[21:06] <poisoned_dragon> I said that zheoffec.
[21:06] <poisoned_dragon> It's only an audio server.
[21:06] <poisoned_dragon> You can't have pulse without alsa.
[21:07] <netherlands6> wilee-nilee I have no more graphic or boot issue since I got 13.04  just sound and minor bug no one answering on ubuntu+1
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, No it is just part of the video codecs and ms fonts kit.
[21:07] <poisoned_dragon> Well, you could. It just won't do anything.
[21:07] <Gnea> zheoffec: incorrect, alsa is a set of sound drivers - a driver and a server are two entirely different things.
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> netherlands6, 13.04 is #ubuntu+1
[21:07] <SonikkuAmerica> For now
[21:07] <poisoned_dragon> Ok, Gnea. Try and use Pulse without alsa drivers. :)
[21:08] <Vivekananda> hmm so howdo I check for it ?
[21:08] <netherlands6> ok thank again I will wait for an answer maybe tommorow
[21:08] <poisoned_dragon> Oh wait... I read that wrong. Sorry, Gnea
[21:08] <poisoned_dragon> I'm a little spacey.
[21:08] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, What is your desktop?
[21:08] <Gnea> s'okay :-)
[21:08] <brian_> SonikkuAmerica: Remember me? I'm back. Now running 12.10 (64 bit). Had to DL all the apps from scratch, but it has been worth it. Just wanted to let you know that all is well.
[21:08] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: ubuntu precise
[21:09] <zheoffec> Gnea: so what exactly is a sound server then?
[21:09] <Gnea> I'm not sure if pulseaudio will work with OSS drivers or not, I think it was designed for the alsa api
[21:09] <Vivekananda> sorry lubuntu 12.04
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Vivekananda: #lubuntu has a channel
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, In the terminal sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:09] <Gnea> zheoffec: well a driver simply lets a piece of hardware talk to the software (where software = operating system, not a piece of software like firefox)
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> brian_: Awesome! Hope you enjoy Quantal, Raring comes out in 2 weeks
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> !
[21:10] <poisoned_dragon> The sound server allows multiple apps to access the sound hardware at the same time.
[21:10] <brian_> SonikkuAmerica: I'll look out for it.
[21:10] <Gnea> zheoffec: a server, in the this meaning of context, is another word for a daemon, which is a piece of software that runs in the background continuously to act as a mediatory to pass information/data from one or more sources onto another
[21:11] <s1pher> when i use sudo apt-get update it gives this message:
[21:11] <s1pher> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[21:11] <s1pher> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:11] <s1pher> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:11] <s1pher> can someone help?
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> s1pher  remove the ppa's and be happy
[21:11] <s1pher> how
[21:11] <Gnea> s1pher: it's not there anymore
[21:11] <zheoffec> so alsa can output sound without a server like pulseaudio, but it can only output from one app at a time without a server? (Gnea, poisoned_dragon)
[21:12] <poisoned_dragon> yuppers
[21:12] <s1pher> do i just do sudo apt-get remove  http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[21:12] <ronalds_maz> removing kdm did the trick, if not mentioned I had panic, when unity crashed afterwards
[21:12] <ronalds_maz> how to remove kde theming in ubuntu apps, maybe someone remmbers
[21:12] <SonikkuAmerica> ronalds_maz: You'll want lightdm anyway
[21:13] <Gnea> zheoffec: that depends on the soundcard hardware - if the hardware is a half-duplex card, yes.  if it's full-duplex, then the soundcard can handle multiple sources from within the software at the same time.  The purpose of pulseaudio is to allow half-duplex soundcards to act like full-duplex.
[21:14] <poisoned_dragon> Oh, aren't most newer cards full duplex, Gnea?
[21:14] <Gnea> s1pher: no, you'll need to bring up synaptic and edit your software sources
[21:14] <Gnea> poisoned_dragon: not the cheap ones
[21:14] <s1pher> ok thanks
[21:14] <poisoned_dragon> Well, I don't mean soundmax...
[21:14] <zheoffec> Gnea: in my case its integrated, so i guess its a half-duplex. so pulseaudio mixes the >= 2 audio sources by itself at the expense of latency?
[21:14] <poisoned_dragon> I'm talking Realtek and others like it.
[21:15] <Gnea> zheoffec: yeah, the speed of your overall system will determine how well and how fast they are mixed
[21:15] <poisoned_dragon> Evil Analog Devices. lol
[21:15] <Walex> Gnea: that's a very confused (and probably very wrong) explanation of what PulseAudio is for.
[21:15] <Gnea> zheoffec: worst case scenario is you start to hear some skipping through the speakers
[21:15] <poisoned_dragon> Oh, and VIA. That chip maker is horrible for graphics and almost as bad for audio.
[21:16] <zheoffec> ok
[21:16] <Gnea> Walex: Feel free to offer a better one then.  Your negative comments on my explanation are optional, not required.
[21:16] <poisoned_dragon> heh
[21:17] <Walex> zheoffec: Gnea: PulseAudio tries to solve 2-3 problems: many cards do not dop hardware mixing (which is not the same thing as full duplex), and many applications use different sound APIs.
[21:18] <Walex> zheoffec: Gnea: PulseAdio tries to offer every known sound API, and then does mixing withing itself among all the application sound that arrives over all those APIs.
[21:18] <zheoffec> so what will happen if two apps try to output sound at the same time and i dont have pulseaudio?
[21:19] <Walex> zheoffec: PulseAudio also can do other things than software mixing, like *de*-mixing, and sound effects.
[21:19] <zheoffec> i dont have pulseaudio
[21:19] <Walex> zheoffec: if you don't have PulseAAudio different things can happen depending on the sound APIs used by the applications that try to write sound at the same time.
[21:20] <zheoffec> ok
[21:20] <s1pher> how do I remove http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source
[21:20] <poisoned_dragon> Basically, Pulseaudio in audio is like AVISynth in video production.
[21:20] <Walex> zheoffec: for example if *both* applications use the ALSA sound API, *and* the ALSA library has been setup to do software mixing, then they will both be able to write.
[21:20] <wireless1> Is there a command to force enable a hard blocked wirless card?
[21:20] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: should I restart or just log / in /out for restricted extras to work ?
[21:20] <zheoffec> ok
[21:20] <Walex> zheoffec: but most sound APIs don't povide a means to so sw mixing.
[21:21] <Walex> zheoffec: note that what Gnea wrote about latency is correct: sw mixing does cost a bit in terms of latency.
[21:21] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, No logout needed.
[21:21] <Physicist> Greetings..
[21:21] <Physicist> How can I check the RAM status in windows 7?
[21:22] <poisoned_dragon> lulz, really Physicist? In an ubuntu room?
[21:22] <Walex> zheoffec: BTW there are some sound cards that can do hw mixing, but they are very rare.
[21:22] <zheoffec> Walex: so i guess that (with my os being arch) i should install pulseaudio then
[21:22] <zheoffec> lol poisoned_dragon
[21:22] <wilee-nilee> Physicist, The task manager will list the ram amount or compter right click properties.
[21:23] <Physicist> I hate windows..
[21:23] <Physicist> no offense,,
[21:23] <zheoffec> dont we all
[21:23] <Walex> zheoffec: I don't like PulseAudio for some reasons, but nowadays it is almost mandatory. It is either that or using applications that use only the ALSA sound API.
[21:23] <poisoned_dragon> Physicist: right click the taskbar and select task manager, or press ctrl+alt+del and select task manager
[21:24] <Walex> zheoffec: one of the great ironies is that PulseAudiop as a rule uses the ALSA sound API itself, so the typical setup is to redirect the ALSA API to PulseAudiio, and then PulseAudio uses the base ALSA API itself to write the sound to the card after mixing/adapting it.
[21:24] <wireless1> Alternate quesiton, does anyone know where the wireless button on an acer 5040 is? I'm missing most of the plating on this laptop :P
[21:25] <Walex> sound is unfortunately a complicated story, with a lot of subtle issues if one wants good quality sound.
[21:25] <Physicist> Ok.. I am in Linux Mint....  Lord..
[21:25] <Walex> wireless1: try ##hardware
[21:25] <Physicist> LOL
[21:25] <rhizmoe> hi all
[21:26] <ahalverson> hi
[21:26] <poisoned_dragon> wireless1: google image search
[21:26] <zheoffec> Walex: so what would happen if I installed pulse on top of OSS?
[21:26] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: so I have to close and reopen libre office then ? or is that too not needed ?
[21:26] <rhizmoe> i have a text file (subversion dump file actually) that I have backed up to another machine. on both machines the file is the same size, but the md5sum's are different. what could cause that?
[21:26] <poisoned_dragon> There is plugin support for pulse and oss.
[21:27] <poisoned_dragon> If I recall correctly
[21:27] <wireless1> poisoned_dragon: Tried that. I just got a bunch of questionably child-safe images
[21:27] <poisoned_dragon> oh gees
[21:27] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: possibly the time you saved/modified the file
[21:27] <OerHeks> wireless http://www.acompatible.com/72-72-thickbox/acer-aspire-5040-keyboard-replacement-brand-new-us-layout.jpg
[21:27] <wireless1> that's internet for ya
[21:27] <Walex> rhizmoe: different SBM keywords?
[21:27] <Walex> rhizmoe: different SVN keywords?
[21:27] <s1pher> how do i remove the how do I remove http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source package?
[21:27] <ronalds_maz> so I had installed kde for some time, and now fonts are weird in firefox bookmarks, how do I manage to get defaults
[21:27] <cloudgeek> my ~/.rvm is empty but my /usr/local/rvm is have all code, now i want make sybolic link ln -s , how i can use
[21:27] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, Probably.
[21:28] <cloudgeek> ln -s /usr/local/rvm ~/.rvm
[21:28] <cloudgeek> or
[21:28] <cloudgeek> ln -s ~/.rvm /usr/local/rvm
[21:28] <rhizmoe> Walex: nah, it's one dump that was copied to antoher machine
[21:28] <zheoffec> s1pher: `apt-add-repository -r $REPO`
[21:28] <Physicist> i HATE MY F** UNCLE..
[21:28] <zheoffec> or so i recall
[21:28] <zheoffec> Physicist: allow it
[21:28] <rhizmoe> ahalverson: that figures into md5sum? i'd think that would screw up the fingerprints of all d/l'able files that have them available
[21:29] <Walex> zheoffec: if you install PulseAudio not much will happen. There will be one more dæmon running per each logged in user, and you will get sound mixing across many sound APIs, and optionally the ability (that almost nobody uses) to do pretty sophisticated sound processing between application and sound card.
[21:29] <OerHeks> wireless1, errrr ..... Find the wireless communication button on the front panel of the Acer Aspire 5040 laptop. This is a long, thin button located next to the microphone (Line-in) jack.
[21:29] <Physicist> Thank you all.
[21:30] <cyphase> i'm trying to copy files from an hfs+ formatted partition to an smb share; however, my regular user can't access the files because of permissions, and root can't seem to access the network share (which was created by the regular user instance of nautilus). any suggestions? do i have to manually mount the smb share as root for this to work?
[21:30] <wireless1> Oerheks: I wasn't sure if that was a button. I tried mashing it a few times, and it didn't seem to do anything
[21:30] <zheoffec> ok Walex:
[21:30] <OerHeks> wireless1, it should show a led when enabled, AFAIK
[21:31] <s1pher> zheoffec: it says please add a repository as an augment
[21:31] <wireless1> OerHeks: I'm thinking Ubuntu doesn't have support for that button OOTB then. Nothing happens when I press it :\
[21:31] <zheoffec> s1pher: replace $REPO with the repository name
[21:31] <s1pher> ok
[21:31] <s1pher> thanks
[21:31] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: what ae the filesystems of the drives?
[21:31] <ahalverson> *are
[21:33] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: and how big is the file?
[21:33] <OerHeks> wireless1, oke, does this topic give any help ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1983100
[21:33] <Physicist> How can I see on W7 like I see with "lspci" on linux?
[21:34] <bt6> I'm trying to change my window title font through GNOME Tweak Tool but it's not changing. Can anyone help?
[21:34] <meLon> Can ALSA be configured for simutaneous ouput?
[21:35] <Merkidemis> I am getting this error when I try to do an apt-get update:  Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security Release.gpg
[21:35] <Merkidemis>   Could not create a socket for 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 80]
[21:35] <Physicist> lpsci windows equivalent?
[21:36] <nightdemon666> anyone know a good weather indicator app for the ubuntu unity panel that doesnt suck? :)
[21:36] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: this might help, http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f128/md5-of-a-file-is-different-on-different-computers-386333.html
[21:37] <zheoffec> nightdemon666: when you say "suck", are you referring to stormcloud?
[21:38] <rhizmoe> ahalverson: the file is about 2GB and filesystems are both Linux/83
[21:38] <nightdemon666> zheoffec, when i say "suck" i mean doesnt shutdown uncommanded. i have issues with indicator-weather form the repo and my-weather-indicator from ppa:atareao... stormcloud is in repos?
[21:38] <rhizmoe> thanks for the link
[21:39] <zheoffec> idk nightdemon666
[21:39] <wireless1> OerHeks: It doens't solve my problem directly, but it might have pointed me in the right direction for things to check :P
[21:39] <wireless1> So, thank you regardless
[21:39] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: how did you copy the file(e.g. cloud, usb)
[21:39] <rhizmoe> SFTP
[21:39] <nightdemon666> zheoffec, just looking for a stable weather indicator that WONT just stop working :P
[21:40] <rhizmoe> i think it might be the 32 vs. 64bit if anything
[21:40] <zheoffec> try stormcloud them
[21:41] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: are your systems 32 and 64 bit?
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> nightdemon666, I retries the indicator-weather it did not work here either.
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> retried*
[21:42] <nightdemon666> doesnt thaT SUCK WILLIENILLY?
[21:42] <nightdemon666> sorry for the accidental caps :(
[21:43] <zheoffec> its a new-age-retro-hippie application so it doesnt look very native
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> nightdemon666, Yeah both have been problematic for awhile.
[21:43] <zheoffec> ...or nice
[21:44] <LordDragon> hey all
[21:44] <LordDragon> im having some weird problem where i cant see the titlebars or unity pane or anything. is there a way i can get to the terminal?
[21:44] <zheoffec> LordDragon: Ctrl + Alt + "T"
[21:45] <nightdemon666> wilee-nilee, it bumming me out because i sure do love to have a quick glance at the weather, but you would expect a "stable" release of an os to have "stable" software in the repos :(
[21:45] <meLon> Trying to find someone willing to help me through my ALSA/pulseaudio issues.  It's all over the place and messed up ;_;
[21:45] <zheoffec> or Ctrl + Alt + F2
[21:45] <zheoffec> (LordDragon_)
[21:45] <LordDragon> zheoffec: excellent, that worked thanks
[21:45] <xorred> how can the 'SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.9p1 Debian-5ubuntu1' string be changed on ubuntu? sshd, seen when telnetting
[21:45] <zheoffec> np
[21:45] <nightdemon666> wilee-nilee, do you know if the python3 package resolves the my-weather-indicator app issues, or is it another BS myth, and only works for some people???
[21:46] <rhizmoe> ahalverson: the OSes are different bits
[21:46]  * zheoffec is a don
[21:46] <ahalverson> rhizmoe: oh, that may be the problem(but i wouldnt know, seeing as i only have 32bit)
[21:47] <poisoned_dragon> that depends nightdemon666. Does my-weather-indicator need python3?
[21:49] <nightdemon666> according to the package information, no... it needs python 2.7 poisoned_dragon. but there are reports that say that python 3 solved issues... but ubuntu 12.04 latest python package is 2.7. it doesnt make since :/
[21:49] <rhizmoe> ahalverson: it's one of the things mentioned on the link you pasted, so thanks for that :)
[21:49] <Merkidemis> Is there a way to force apt to use IPv4? I'm trying to do an update and it always tries IPv6 which isn't working
[21:49] <rhizmoe> i suppose i can just transfer it again and if they're the same size that might be OK.
[21:49] <poisoned_dragon> Oh...
[21:49] <ahalverson> you're welcome :)
[21:50] <poisoned_dragon> Well, nightdemon666, maybe you need to find a ppa for python.
[21:50] <zheoffec> nightdemon: `# apt-get install python3`
[21:50] <poisoned_dragon> Then you can install the new python on 12.04
[21:50] <poisoned_dragon> zheoffec: He's saying that the repos for 12.04 don't have python3.
[21:50] <zheoffec> im sure they do...
[21:51] <zheoffec> i thought he meant that the `python` package is python2.7, not the `python3` package
[21:51] <poisoned_dragon> zheoffec is right. I found python3 in the repos
[21:52] <aidan> how can I install libmysql-dev without uninstalling the server/client? http://dpaste.com/1057460/
[21:52] <aidan> Isn't that a weird resolution for aptitude to find?
[21:55] <longbyte1> What is computationally more efficient?
[21:55] <longbyte1> a * 0.5 or a / 2?
[21:55] <poisoned_dragon> I guess a / 2
[21:55] <ayu_> hi
[21:56] <nightdemon666> poisoned_dragon, actually if i HAD to, id just download the python 3 source and compile it my self, but all of that just to get my-weather-indicator to work??? and then not have any updates to a "technically" not supported package in the repos... screw it. id rather have a package that wil be well supported for the life of the ubuntu 12.04 os.
[21:56] <poisoned_dragon> lol, true
[21:56] <zheoffec> nightdemon666: or you could just install `python3`
[21:57] <ayu_> how to install chrom on ubuntu
[21:57] <nightdemon666> izheoffec is python 3 not an upgrade of python 2??? or just install via source?
[21:57] <zheoffec> ayu_: google chrome or chromium?
[21:58] <nightdemon666> separate packages???
[21:58] <ayu_> chromium
[21:58] <ayu_> not source
[21:58] <longbyte1> ayu_: apt-get install chromium?
[21:58] <zheoffec> nightdemon666: they are seperate packages in the ubuntu repos
[21:58] <ayu_> it hava an error
[21:58] <zheoffec> ayu_: `# apt-get install chromium-browser`
[21:58] <poisoned_dragon> what error?
[21:58] <poisoned_dragon> oh
[21:58] <poisoned_dragon> lol
[21:58] <zheoffec> chromium is some game
[21:59] <ayu_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:59] <ayu_> chromium-browser: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but 1:4.6.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[21:59] <ayu_>                   Depends: libudev0 (>= 147) but 175-0ubuntu9.2 is to be installed
[21:59] <ayu_>                   Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg) but 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-3ubuntu4 is to be installed
[21:59] <wilee-nilee> nightdemon666, No Idea.
[21:59]  * |nv|s|b|e is not known as |nv|s|b|e
[21:59] <ayu_> what
[21:59] <nightdemon666> i see... well, anyway.. so the reason i backed out of doing the install of python3 is because the dependency to my-weather-indicator in ppa:atareao is python 2.7, so i think the real problem is something else... i guess i'd rather find a package that works with out more work that i shoul;d have to do :/
[21:59] <longbyte1> what did you set your sources to
[22:00] <longbyte1> ohhhh
[22:00] <longbyte1> you have to install those dependencies as well
[22:01] <zheoffec> nightdemon666: since a lot of apps still use python2, the default python package is python2.7, and python3 is left uninstalled. the two production versions of python are 2.7 and 3.3 by the Python Software Foundation
[22:01] <ayu_> i am a fish   only to use chrom ,not firefix
[22:01] <ayu_> but I can't install
[22:02] <psichas> yes you can believe it
[22:02] <zheoffec> why cant a fish use firefox?
[22:02] <psichas> :D
[22:02] <zheoffec> or epiphany?
[22:02] <|nv|s|b|e> ?, a fish ?
[22:02] <ayu_> yeah  , a fish
[22:02] <poisoned_dragon> lulz
[22:03] <|nv|s|b|e> sounds fishy
[22:03] <zheoffec> lol
[22:03] <poisoned_dragon> Firefox is no flipper friendly, apparently.
[22:03] <psichas> whre big fishes? :D
[22:03] <ayu_> ha   my english is so poor
[22:04] <|nv|s|b|e> were all oor
[22:04] <|nv|s|b|e> p
[22:04] <psichas> me too
[22:04] <zheoffec> we are all fish, really
[22:04] <zheoffec> swimming in the sea of life
[22:04] <ayu_> i think so
[22:05] <nightdemon666> i see... well it may well indicate that installation of python 3 will solve my problems. hopefully. back to removing indicator-weather, because its being a bastard, and back to installing my-weather-indicator and python 3. laterz
[22:14] <psichas> whitch linux use Linus Torvalds? :)
[22:14] <poisoned_dragon> lol... I'm sure he builds his own.
[22:14] <zheoffec> arch?
[22:14] <zheoffec> or LFS
[22:14] <poisoned_dragon> No, from source
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> RMS even built his own custom BIOS
[22:15] <zheoffec> LFS then
[22:15] <zheoffec> !coreboot
[22:15] <Merkidemis> Is there a way to force apt to use IPv4? I'm trying to do an update and it always tries IPv6 which isn't working
[22:15] <MonkeyDust> Merkidemis  simply disable IPv6
[22:16] <DuckKie> anyone know why  "konsole --new-tab" would open a new window instead of a new tab?
[22:16] <Merkidemis> MonkeyDust: How would I go about doing that?
[22:16] <Merkidemis> MonkeyDust: I am on lucid server
[22:17] <jab416171> how do I make insmod persist across reboots?
[22:18] <MonkeyDust> Merkidemis  look for the word 'disable' on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[22:19] <zheoffec> jab416171: modprobe? or add the module to /etc/modules-load.d/
[22:19] <MonkeyDust> Merkidemis  there's also this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu.html
[22:19] <Merkidemis> MonkeyDust: one sec, I had tried the blacklist, but not in blacklist.local like the first page suggests
[22:20] <jab416171> zheoffec: care to elaborate?
[22:20] <Merkidemis> MonkeyDust: doing what was on the second page had no effect
[22:20] <zheoffec> modprobe $MODULE
[22:21] <jab416171> it says "Module not found"
[22:21] <zheoffec> or echo $MODULE > /etc/modules-load.d/$MODULE
[22:21] <zheoffec> did you replace $MODULE with the module name?
[22:21] <jab416171> yes
[22:21] <jab416171> I have no "/etc/modules-load.d"
[22:21] <zheoffec> what is the module?
[22:22] <jab416171> chromeos_laptop and atmel_mxt_ts
[22:22] <zheoffec> oh, that directory's only in arch then, sorry
[22:22] <zheoffec> so it works with insmod?
[22:22] <jab416171> yes
[22:24] <jab416171> zheoffec: I followed this: http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/chromebook_pixel_linux.txt
[22:25] <zheoffec> see if the module exists: `lsmod | grep chomeos_laptop`
[22:25] <jab416171> it does
[22:25] <jab416171> (but only because I ran insmod)
[22:26] <zheoffec> modprobe looks in a specific directory to load modules
[22:26] <zheoffec> let me look it up...
[22:28] <zheoffec> its in /etc/modules, so you will need to copy the *.ko files to that directory then you can modprobe them
[22:28] <jab416171> I rebooted, and now it's not showing up
[22:28] <jab416171> what directory?
[22:28] <zheoffec> `/etc/modules/`
[22:28] <jab416171> I copied them to the directories specified in that text file (changing 3.2.0-4-amd64 appropriately)
[22:29] <zheoffec> copy them to /etc/modules
[22:29] <jab416171> /etc/modules is a file
[22:29] <zheoffec> *copy them to /etc/modules/
[22:30] <jab416171> mkdir /etc/modules && cp chromeos_laptop.ko /etc/modules/ ?
[22:31] <jab416171> is that what you want me to do?
[22:31] <zheoffec> so sorry, i mistook it for the wrong location.
[22:32] <zheoffec> its actually at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[22:32] <zheoffec> i think you will have to judge for yourself as to where to place the .ko files once you are in there
[22:33] <zheoffec> sorry, i must go to sleep now
[22:33] <zheoffec> bye
[22:33] <jab416171> right, I copied them to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/input/touchscreen/atmel_mxt_ts.ko and /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/chromeos_laptop.ko
[22:35] <Guest43498>  Hello.  I am just wondering if I should use Ubuntu-Gnome or use regular Ubuntu and install all of the Gnome things myself.
[22:36] <vectorlynx> hi
[22:44] <ironfoot495> I'm trying to install a brother printer and no matter what I do it will not respond. I have downloaded the deb. drivers but it just wont respond. I really need help after 3 hours of faiulure. thanks in advance.
[22:44] <ironfoot495> A mfcj615w
[22:44] <MonkeyDust> !cups
[22:45] <jakingtosch> hi
[22:45] <dr_willis> ironfoot495:  last time someone was downloading brother debs.. they sort of discovered the drivers were allready in the repos under one of the several brother-driver packages
[22:46] <Merkidemis> MonkeyDust: Now I get errors W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Could not create a socket for 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 80]
[22:46] <ironfoot495> dr_willis: yes that is true but I can't get it to respond?
[22:47] <Frogging101> I don't know if I should reinstall Ubuntu or go for another distro... I *really* don't like the direction they're taking it in
[22:47] <dr_willis> you may want to check askubuntu.com about your exact printer. My brother was totally plug in and away it went. ;)
[22:47] <ironfoot495> dr_willis: ok I'll give it a try.
[22:48] <python|pi> I'm on Kali linux (gnome) what is a good countdown timer say I need 5 min only on the clock and then alarm sound?
[22:48] <jakingtosch> hey there, i have got a little problem with kubuntu 13.04. I have downloaded it and tried to install the ati grafic driver. As i tried to run the installer he told me that gcc is missing. using apt-get install build-essential i got: Package build-essential is not available
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> python|pi  better ask in the kali channel
[22:49] <python|pi> it's all ubuntu MonkeyDust same softares
[22:49] <python|pi> what do you use?
[22:49] <dr_willis> jakingtosch:  do an sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get upgrade and try again.. and see #ubuntu+1 for 13.04
[22:49] <dr_willis> python|pi:  no its not ubuntu.
[22:49] <jakingtosch> thx
[22:49] <dr_willis> python|pi:  use the package manager tools and search and see whats in the repos.
[22:49] <MonkeyDust> python|pi  this is ubuntu support, type /msg ali list *kali* to look for the kali channel
[22:50] <MonkeyDust> alis*
[22:51] <python|pi> no such command MonkeyDust its looking for a person to message
[22:51] <dr_willis> !alis
[22:51] <MonkeyDust> python|pi  why did you come to this channel in the first place?
[22:52] <ornj> Is a dm necessary to enable a guest account?
[22:52] <dr_willis> ornj:  i think so.
[22:52] <ornj> :7
[22:52] <ornj> kthx
[22:52] <dr_willis> since the guest account is sort of made on the fly, then removed when exited
[22:52] <dr_willis> differnt ubuntu releases have done guest accounts differntly
[22:53] <ornj> How some some others done it?
[22:53] <dr_willis> i dont recall. i never use the feature
[22:54]  * ornj nods
[22:54] <ornj> Thanks
[22:54] <dr_willis> in some you had to login as a user. then switch to 'guest' mode
[22:55] <el_seano> !raring
[22:55] <el_seano> !release
[22:57] <Merkidemis> MonkeyDust: any further suggestions?
[22:58] <kim_bruning> what does the option "install alongside windows 7" actually *do*. I tried googling, but I get all kinds of fluffy stuff. I'm trying to figure out what partitions ubuntu tried to make where, or what files ubuntu tried to make where, so I can delete them and start over
[22:58] <jab416171> how do I make insmod persist across reboots?
[23:00] <dr_willis> !modules
[23:00] <dr_willis> its odd that you need to  insmod by hand...
[23:00] <python|pi> do you guys know anything about qtcurve on ubuntu?
[23:01] <python|pi> vitimiti has quit (Quit: [BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.2-final for Windows CE today!)
[23:01] <python|pi> baa haah ahaa
[23:02] <jab416171> dr_willis: "module-assistant: command not found"
[23:02] <dr_willis> !find module-assistant
[23:02] <dr_willis> !info module-assistant
[23:03] <dr_willis> the default ubuntu setup should have told you what package to install to get that commande
[23:03] <vanting> Hmm.. How come, I can't change permission on a folder with "chmod 777 folder" ? The command runs, but nothing changes..
[23:03] <jab416171> nope
[23:03] <dr_willis> vanting:  detauls on where the folder is at and what fs its on...
[23:03] <zykotick9> vanting: is the partition ntfs or fat?
[23:03] <kim_bruning> vanting, do you have sufficient permissions to change the permissions? ;-)
[23:04] <dr_willis> then we have to ask .. why do you need it 777 ;)
[23:04] <vanting> kim_bruning > Yeah, I use sudo.
[23:04]  * kim_bruning scratches head
[23:04] <kim_bruning> which directory are you chmodding?
[23:05] <jab416171> dr_willis: I ran apt-get install module-assistant, but the module I want isn't in the list when I go to "SELECT"
[23:05] <dr_willis> jab416171:  all i know about the topuic was mentioned in the bots factoid.. ive never needed to mess with it
[23:05] <kim_bruning> vanting, which directory are you trying to chmod? if it's in /mnt or /media, that might not do what you expect
[23:05] <vanting> Aah...
[23:05] <vanting> It's in media
[23:06] <kim_bruning> vanting, Ah. ;-)
[23:06] <jab416171> dr_willis: ok thanks
[23:06] <dr_willis> vanting:  and what FILESYSTEM is the directory using?
[23:06] <vanting> vfat
[23:06] <kim_bruning> vanting, in that case, the options given to mount are more important than the dir permissions ;-)
[23:06] <vanting> Ofcourse..
[23:06] <dr_willis> vanting: thats why then,, you dont chonw/chmod theose
[23:06] <vanting> Thanks
[23:06] <kim_bruning> vanting, oh, well, vfat can't do chmod at all ;-)
[23:06] <zykotick9> vanting: vfat & ntfs are not POSIX, then don't understand linux/unix permissions
[23:07] <histo> vanting: because fat partition mount point permissions are controlled when they are mounted
[23:07] <mojeime> hi can somone help e
[23:07] <kim_bruning> zykotick9, and here I thought ntfs did grok posix, according to ms?
[23:07] <histo> vanting: so you can remount it and change permissions
[23:07] <kim_bruning> zykotick9, (sorry, sacrcastic remark... I'm in a sarcastic mood today :-P)
[23:07] <vanting> Yeah thanks for the help. :)
[23:07] <histo> !mount | vanting
[23:08] <mojeime> i just want to insatll ubuntu so my question is how much speace i need for root and do i need to have /home  partrition ?
[23:09] <dr_willis> mojeime:  /  - i always use at least 20gb.. ive filled up 10gb / befor.
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> kim_bruning, For partition info use gparted from the live cd.
[23:09] <histo> vanting: http://askubuntu.com/questions/96923/how-do-i-change-permissions-on-a-fat32-formatted-drive/96929#96929
[23:09] <dr_willis>  /home/ as big as youi can get/need
[23:09] <mojeime> dr_willis:  ok so 20 gb for root and all other for home
[23:09] <dr_willis> a seperate /home/ is very handy later on when upgradeing/reinstalling
[23:09] <dr_willis> but not required
[23:10] <mojeime> dr_willis:  if it is bether i will do seperate
[23:11] <mojeime> dr_willis:  i did 1gb boot 6gb swap
[23:11] <dr_willis> i dont see much point in a seperate /boot/ for most people.
[23:12] <zykotick9> mojeime: dr_willis +1, a separate /boot is more likely to CAUSE issues (in modern times)
[23:12] <mojeime> zykotick9:  why
[23:13] <zykotick9> mojeime: it's gonna fill up...
[23:13] <vanting> Changed fstab, rebooted the machine and now the permissions looks like it should :)
[23:13] <mojeime> zykotick9:  it is wierd to me why isent it all on 1 partrition like windows
[23:14] <mojeime> zykotick9:  so i shoud delete boot
[23:14] <zykotick9> mojeime: ? it can be.  don't use /boot unless you have a need.
[23:14] <dr_willis> windows is weirder in many other ways
[23:14] <zykotick9> mojeime: i mean, as a separate partition, just leave it under /
[23:14] <dr_willis> im not even sure how in windows you could have all your 'users' stuff on a seperate hard drive or partition.. in linux. its trivial
[23:14] <mojeime> zykotick9:  so haveing boot is bad
[23:14] <CorruptedHelix> Hi, this isn't necessarily an Ubuntu problem, but I felt this might be one of the better places to ask; My SD card is 2gb, and has been allocated into a 256mb and 1.51gb partition. I can't figure out how to set the primary partition, or (preferably) merge the two partitions using Windows Disk Manager. I do have Ubuntu installed, so I can switch to that if needed.
[23:15] <dr_willis> mojeime:  if you dont have a reason for a /boot/ partition.. then dont use one
[23:15] <zykotick9> mojeime: unless you have a SPECIFIC reason for it = YES
[23:15] <kim_bruning> zykotick9, mojeime , some people leave /boot unmounted normally... it's a bit of extra security
[23:15] <kim_bruning> mojeime, if you don't know what you need it for, don't worry about it
[23:15] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  i had issues repartioning a sd card in windows the other day.. it was just brain dead.. i had to use gparted. ;)
[23:16] <vanting> dr_willis > What isn't brain dead in windows?
[23:16] <CorruptedHelix> I guess I'll give it a try then, ugh. I don't like having to reboot and switch OSes much, and I would use Ubuntu more often if I had luck with it. My games run horribly under WINE or regularly, and my graphics card and headset don't have drivers for Linux
[23:16] <zykotick9> vanting: i'm not disagreeing, but that's OT for #ubuntu
[23:16] <mojeime> kim_bruning:  i think  /boot is for space for boot tools like hierin boot
[23:17] <CorruptedHelix> I'll come back if I have any more problems, thanks for the assistance, dr_willis
[23:17] <zykotick9> mojeime: herin (or whatever it's called), is non-free don't use it.  </OT>
[23:17] <mojeime> zykotick9:  i wont use it i just made an example
[23:18] <CorruptedHelix> Windows is a half decent OS in my opinion, but I'm in #ubuntu and very likely outnumbered, so I won't try justifying it
[23:18] <CorruptedHelix> I won't get anywhere
[23:18] <CorruptedHelix> G'bye.
[23:18] <vanting> CorruptedHelix > If you want to use it more, don't use anything else. That's how I switched. You'll beforced to learn how to use the system ;)
[23:19] <CorruptedHelix> vanting: My AMD card has no support for it, nor does my 7.1 headset
[23:19] <mojeime> zykotick9:  so i can install all on 1 partrition
[23:19] <CorruptedHelix> My games which I spend a lot of time on run horribly on Linux but just fine on Windows, WINE or not
[23:19] <CorruptedHelix> If I had a better laptop I'd surely use a Linux distro
[23:19] <zykotick9> in the old days, /boot was required, as BIOS's couldn't boot anything past a certain bit location - that's been fixed a long time ago.  now it required for special raid/encryption setups...
[23:20]  * dr_willis has never figured out how you get 7.1 in a headset.. ;) and yes ive owned them befor..
[23:20] <mojeime> zykotick9:  so beascly now people use it for more security
[23:20] <kim_bruning> mojeime, nope. It's where your actual kernel is stored, and grub files, and your initrd, and stuff :-)
[23:20] <kim_bruning> mojeime, ok, so that's sort of boot tools ;-)
[23:21] <kim_bruning> mojeime, the file "/boot/vmlinuz..." (it'll have a longer name)... is your actual gen-u-ine linux kernel, the actual linux ;-)
[23:22] <zykotick9> mojeime: sorta'  don't use one unless you have too.  is my suggestion.
[23:22] <mojeime> ok so i shoud create 1 partrition and install all on it or i shoud i creat /root /swap /home
[23:23] <dr_willis> swap is not mounted.. and has to be its own partion. ;)
[23:23] <zykotick9> mojeime: yes, isn't that the default?
[23:23] <dr_willis> minimal normal setup   /  and swap
[23:23] <dr_willis> typical setup  /   /home  and swap
[23:23] <zykotick9> dr_willis: +1 again
[23:23] <mJayk> I cant seam to get my swap to mount any ideas?
[23:23] <mojeime> ok ok
[23:23] <vanting> CorruptedHelix > You could get a xbox or playstation.
[23:23] <dr_willis> mJayk:  what are you doing exactly?
[23:23] <zykotick9> doh, mojeime /home can be on / as well (if you want)
[23:24] <mJayk> dr_willis: first I edited my fstab then I tried to recreate the partition in gparted
[23:24] <mojeime> so 20gb / then 100gb /home then 6gb /swap
[23:24] <dr_willis> mJayk:  so whats your fstab entry for swap? you did use mkswap to 'format' the swap partition?
[23:24] <zykotick9> mojeime: 6GB swap seems like a lot...
[23:24] <scott_> I'm in 13.04 and I have no Unity interface. How can I begin to fix this?
[23:25] <mJayk> dr_willis: I used gparted to formate to linux-swap
[23:25] <mJayk> dr_willis: 2 secs ill get my fstab
[23:25] <dr_willis> !swap
[23:26] <mojeime> zykotick9:  i would like for home to be on root it confuses me when it is another partrition, i read thet swap shoud be duble ram
[23:26] <mojeime> but i realy dont know what uses 9gb of ram
[23:26] <kim_bruning> dr_willis, + don't do swap on SSD (is still the conventional wisdom)
[23:27] <kim_bruning> dr_willis, and swap is also used for hibernate
[23:27] <mJayk> dr_willis: http://pastebin.com/bgPjM27G
[23:27] <dr_willis> I frogot to make swap on my ssd. ;) when i installed it.
[23:27] <kim_bruning> dr_willis, GOOD.
[23:27] <dr_willis> Then again.. i got 8 gb ram.. and never touch swap that ive seen
[23:27] <Gnarly> is it still the case with a ssd to use a non journal fs?
[23:27] <dr_willis> Gnarly:  with newer ssds im not sure that a lot of the old wisdom still applies
[23:27] <mJayk> dr_willis: I did have to change the UUID as it was wrong
[23:27] <mojeime> ok so i create just /root 100gb and swap 5gb
[23:28] <dr_willis> mJayk:  ;) or you could use the /dev/sdX type name
[23:28] <Gnarly> thanks
[23:28] <mJayk> dr_willis: The name is correct now I just cant seam to do bugger all with it
[23:29] <dr_willis> mJayk:  you did notice your line for swap.. is commented... so not used..
[23:29] <dr_willis> or am i missreading.. ;)
[23:29] <CorruptedHelix> Looks like I ran into a problem, dr_willis
[23:29] <kim_bruning> mojeime, not /root ... just /
[23:29] <dr_willis> ok.. another entry for it. ;)
[23:29] <mojeime> kim_bruning:  i thinked this / means root
[23:29] <CorruptedHelix> I'm currently on Ubuntu, and gparted errored out when it tried to scan my SD card. Ubuntu is also unable to mount the SD card, and tells me so when I try to open it's 266mb volume on the file explorer
[23:29] <dr_willis>  / is 'root'   /root/ is the root users home directory. ;)
[23:30] <kim_bruning> mojeime, yes....   / means root, and ... for hysterical (I mean historical reasons)   /root is something else :-P
[23:30] <captine> hi there.  is there a way for me to quickly see the non-default applications i have installed?  am wanting to try play with puppet and have the config such that it installs all this "non-default" software on new machines
[23:30] <mojeime> kim_bruning:  and what shoud i put ext2 sys file or what
[23:30] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  anything of any value on it? you may want to zero it out with dd.and repartion it
[23:30] <kim_bruning> mojeime, why are you using ext2?
[23:31] <mJayk> dr_willis: no its not thats the old UUID check the bottom line
[23:31] <CorruptedHelix> I'm sorry, but I'm a Linux noob, I don't know what that means. The error message is long so I'll try to shorten it, but what I can tell you while I do that is that gparted sees the 1.83gb unallocated partition, but not the 266mb unallocated
[23:31] <mojeime> kim_bruning:  i am asking what to put ext2 , ext4 jouranling , fat32 or what i dont know what are prons and cons
[23:31] <Gnarly> thats probably for the formatting itself
[23:32] <dr_willis> mojeime:  when in doubgt.. use the defaults.. ext4
[23:32] <CorruptedHelix> dr_willis: End of the error message is the following; 'mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock'
[23:32] <kim_bruning> mojeime, ah, ok, use ext4 for now
[23:32] <mojeime> dr_willis:  i dident know it is defoult it was just on top so i hed to ask
[23:32] <CorruptedHelix> I'll take a screenshot if you want the full message, dr_willis
[23:32] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:   sounds like the thing has issues.. may be worth zeroing it out and repartionng.
[23:32] <kim_bruning> mojeime, in a year or so btrfs would be better, but just do ext4 if you don't know what else to do ;-)
[23:33] <CorruptedHelix> How would I do that?
[23:33] <mojeime> kim_bruning: ok ty
[23:33] <CorruptedHelix> Zeroing it out, I mean
[23:33] <CorruptedHelix> I know how to repartition it
[23:33] <Gnarly> heres from ubuntu's website
[23:33] <Gnarly> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained
[23:33] <Gnarly> explains different filesystems
[23:33] <mojeime> kim_bruning:  ext4 journaling ofcours
[23:34] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  with CAREfull use of the dd command..   somthing similer to 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mccblk0 bs=1M'   this WILL erase everything on that sd card/ and if you use the wrong /dev/ it can erase that also.
[23:34] <mojeime> mount point is / or corse?
[23:34] <CorruptedHelix> dr_willis: Nothing of value on it, to answer your previous question. I tried reformatting it thrice already on Windows
[23:34] <CorruptedHelix> Um, I'm not sure how to tell if it would be the correct /dev/. As I said, I'm a linux noob, unfortunately
[23:35] <mojeime> dr_willis:  swap partrition is logical or pramary
[23:35] <kim_bruning> CorruptedHelix, in that case, take extreme care ;-)
[23:35] <CorruptedHelix> well
[23:35] <CorruptedHelix> that makes me feel good
[23:35] <kim_bruning> CorruptedHelix, sudo  AND dd together is a rather powerful combo ;-)
[23:35] <CorruptedHelix> :l
[23:35] <kim_bruning> CorruptedHelix, you're welcome O:-)
[23:35] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: You can likely find the correct dev in gparted or similar.
[23:36] <mojeime> shoud i put swap to be logical partrition or primary?
[23:37] <CorruptedHelix> Well, I have /dev/sda which is my hdd, /dev/sdb, which is my USB stick, and I have /dev/mccblk0, my SD card
[23:38] <kim_bruning> ok
[23:38] <kim_bruning> well, it's rather hard to mistype /dev/mccblk0 ;-)
[23:38] <mojeime> shoud i put swap to be logical partrition or primary????
[23:38] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: I just noticed that your mount error says 'mmc' while gparted says 'mcc'- is this a typo or is something weird going on?
[23:38] <kim_bruning> mojeime, doesn't matter. If you only want 4 partitions, just make them all primary
[23:39]  * kim_bruning wonders why ubuntu doesn't do lvm by default these days
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> mojeime, It's called a linux swap in gparted
[23:39] <CorruptedHelix> brightspark: not an error, where would gparted say mcc
[23:39] <mojeime> ok
[23:39] <mojeime> kim CorruptedHelix ty
[23:39] <CorruptedHelix> They both show the same filepath spelled the same way, except for a 'p' after the 0
[23:40] <kim_bruning> CorruptedHelix, btw, you may want to umount your card before you wipe it :-)
 dr_willis: End of the error message is the following; 'mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock'
[23:40] <CorruptedHelix> fair enough
 Well, I have /dev/sda which is my hdd, /dev/sdb, which is my USB stick, and I have /dev/mccblk0, my SD card
[23:40] <CorruptedHelix> want a screenshot to confirm?
[23:41] <brightspark> Can you show the error message as well in the screenshot?
[23:41] <mojeime> i have 80 gb free speace i gona cry
[23:41] <CorruptedHelix> yeah
[23:41] <CorruptedHelix> I'll show you a screenshot of the error +gparted
[23:42] <CorruptedHelix> uploading to imgur now, only a sec
[23:42] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  using dd to zero it will totally unallocate and erase the device. it will then need to be repartioned
[23:42] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  if dd fails to zero it.. then the device has issues
[23:43] <CorruptedHelix> actually
[23:43] <vanting> Does anyone know, where to get keymaps for rdesktop?
[23:43] <CorruptedHelix> if the screenshots actually saved in the correct directory
[23:43] <CorruptedHelix> that would be helpful
[23:43] <CorruptedHelix> :p
[23:43] <zikl> Sometimes the "="/"+" key wouldn't type like if i put my finger on the key it would miss 1 time out of 20 times. I got my laptop like a week ago. Should I ask for replacement?
[23:43] <HerbertWest> hi there, on  Xubuntu.. I can't set a password option at start
[23:43] <kim_bruning> zikl, try tapping the key whilst blowing under it
[23:44] <kim_bruning> zikl, sometimes there's just a crumb or something under there
[23:44] <wilee-nilee> HerbertWest, At start of what?
[23:44] <CorruptedHelix> Image editor built into ubuntu? I think my screenshot is saving to my clipboard
[23:44] <CorruptedHelix> :p
[23:44] <HerbertWest> wilee-nilee at login
[23:44] <zikl> kim_bruning: I tried, still I have to maintain certain pressure on it.
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> HerbertWest, Can you explain that more clearly, not sure what you mean by passwrod option.
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> password*
[23:45] <vanting> Nevermind about the keymaps, solved it.
[23:45] <CorruptedHelix> Trying to get these screenshots, brightspark
[23:45] <CorruptedHelix> :p
[23:46] <HerbertWest> wilee-nilee Xubuntu doesn't ask me for a login password...
[23:46] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: thanks
[23:46] <dr_willis> disable the auto-login for lightdm ;)
[23:46] <CorruptedHelix> Yeah, fullscreen screenshots save to your clipboard instead of the Pictures dir
[23:46] <CorruptedHelix> which is kind of stupid
[23:46] <Merkidemis> Can someone assist me? I am trying to do an apt-get update, but keep getting the following error: Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/main Translation-en_US
[23:46] <Merkidemis>   Could not create a socket for 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8c01::18 80]
[23:46] <HerbertWest> dr_willis ty
[23:47] <CorruptedHelix> so I'm putting them in gimp now
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> HerbertWest, This is a install right, you would have made one in the install. Have you set it to autologin?
[23:47] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  so the dd command failed?
[23:47] <HerbertWest> wilee-nilee as dr_willis said it
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> Yep ;)
[23:48] <Merkidemis> I can ping security.ubuntu.com just fine, why doesn't APT see it?
[23:48] <CorruptedHelix> dr_willis: giving brightspark screenshots first, had some trouble due to an inconsistancy in ubuntu
[23:48] <markmcb> Anyone have an issue after a fresh install where the network becomes unresponsive for 10-30 seconds … I've never had it before, but am noticing it with 13.04 Beta 2. Curious if there's known culprit.
[23:48] <CorruptedHelix> just another minute, brightspark
[23:48] <markmcb> oh, and it happens repeatedly, not just once
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> markmcb,  #ubuntu+1 is the 13.04 channel
[23:49] <markmcb> wilee-nilee: thanks
[23:50] <mojeime> why shoud i encript my home folder?
[23:50] <CorruptedHelix> brightspark: http://imgur.com/Q993uUy,yHdyrIx
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> mojeime, It is a matter of choice.
[23:52] <dr_willis> mojeime:  when in doubt.. dont
[23:52] <Merkidemis> Anyone? I'd appreciate any help, as I'v been fighting this problem all day
[23:52] <mojeime> i dident
[23:53] <mojeime> realy dont need it  i am poor dont have anything good on pc xD
[23:54] <CorruptedHelix> brightspark: Still with us?
[23:54] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: So in that error message, you had 'mmc'
[23:54] <CorruptedHelix> I just showed you the two screenshots, that page contains two screenshots, if you didn't see that
[23:54] <CorruptedHelix> For comparison reasons
[23:54] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: Sorry, you're right.  I just saw the 1st.  Just a sec
[23:54] <CorruptedHelix> brightspark: Okay then
[23:55] <mojeime> i turned off install third party and instal mp3 beacuse i dident want to insall any stupit thing i will apt-get manual what i need
[23:55] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: Okay so gparted also has 'mmc'.  That's a good thing.
[23:56] <s1pher> when i do 'sudo apt-get update' i get this error
[23:56] <CorruptedHelix> brightspark: Notably, the error has '0p' while gparted only has 'p'
[23:56] <s1pher> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[23:56] <s1pher> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[23:56] <s1pher> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/slicer/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[23:56] <CorruptedHelix> mmcblk0p1 is shown on the error message, mmcblp0 is shown on gparted
[23:57] <CorruptedHelix> if that's relevant
[23:57] <CorruptedHelix> *blk
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> s1pher, That ppa has not been loaded since 2007, there is no support for qauntal.
[23:57] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  p1 is PARTITION 1.. you want to zero the whole disk.. so no p1
[23:57] <brightspark> CorruptedHelix: Yes.  I was just confirming that GParted had 'mmc' and not 'mcc' as you originally said, because that would be a sign of something gone very weird.
[23:57] <dr_willis> mmcblk0
[23:57] <s1pher> wilee-nilee: how do i get rid of it?
[23:58] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  with CAREfull use of the dd command..   somthing similer to 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mccblk0 bs=1M'   this WILL erase everything on that sd card/ and if you use the wrong /dev/ it can erase that also.
[23:58] <CorruptedHelix> Yes, must've typoed that and didn't notice even when you pointed it out... :p
[23:58] <Merkidemis> it seems like apt-get is trying to use ipv6, and failing.  How can I force it to use ipv4?
[23:58] <sama-kun> Hey! I want to reinstall my Ubuntu 12.10 system. Is it safe to use 13.04 beta or it will be pain and suffering to upgrade it later?
[23:58] <CorruptedHelix> dr_willis: I'm sure that /dev/zero is relevant, but on bootup my Win8 partition is reported as /sda/1
[23:58] <dr_willis> not all sdhc cards show up under the mccblk type names.. it depens on the pc. and how the sc card controller is attatched
[23:58] <CorruptedHelix> chance of failure is?
[23:59] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  the /dev/XX of the sd.. depends on the pc/hardware
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> s1pher, easiest is gksudo nautilus this open the file system in root navigate to /etc/apt.sources.list.d and delete the files with that name. Be very careful in doing this.
[23:59] <nexus`> sama-kun: you can set a separate partition for your home directory
[23:59] <s1pher> wilee-nilee:  ok
[23:59] <CorruptedHelix> Again, how can I check this for sure other than /dev/mccblk0
[23:59] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  if you had a multi-card reader that pluged into usb. it wold be sdb or somting like that
[23:59] <CorruptedHelix> because that's all I see
[23:59] <dr_willis> CorruptedHelix:  sudo blkid
[23:59] <CorruptedHelix> dr_willis: my laptop has hardware support for sd
[23:59] <sama-kun> nexus`: and I should to it, because breakage is expected?
[23:59] <sama-kun> s/to/do/