[09:31] <LukasM[m]> wo0f: You can just delete any /etc/netplan/*.yaml and configure networkd/networkmanager in /etc/systemd/network or /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections as you normally would. netplan will not interfere if it does not describe the same interface somewhere in its YAML config.


[11:11] <qense> hello
[11:13] <Don_S> Hey.
[21:22] <jpds> newz2000: Flaw would like to know about the ubuntu.com Drupal theme, is there a source code location you could point him to?
[21:24] <newz2000> jpds: yes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates
[21:24] <newz2000> Flaw: ^
[21:24] <Flaw> Thanks, newz2000
[21:24] <newz2000> my pleasure
[21:25] <jpds> newz2000: Brilliant, thanks. How's the Canonical blog I pointed out concluded by the way?
[21:26] <newz2000> jpds: can you remind me what that was?
[21:27] <jpds> newz2000: http://blog.canonical.com - the "Test category" down the left side.
[21:27] <newz2000> oh, yes. No change yet, it's something we want to change but kind of low priority
[21:28] <jpds> OK, cool :)
[21:28] <newz2000> I'm going to suggest moving from wordpress to drupal and have one fewer web app to manage.


[00:08] <fes> hi guys. i am using 17.04 and have installed gnome-session-wayland but can't see GNOME Wayland as an option at login. Only GNOME and GNOME Classic. Anyone have an idea wha is the matter?
[00:10] <jbicha> fes: I don't mean to be rude, but could you try rebooting your computer?
[00:12] <fes> jbicha, np suggesting that :) I have rebooted but it does not show up in gdm.
[00:15] <jbicha> um, I think there's a bug there as some other people have complained about that
[00:16] <jbicha> you don't need gnome-session-wayland installed, that's an empty package now
[00:16] <jbicha> the 'gnome-session' package installs the files you need
[00:17] <jbicha> I haven't seen a bug filed for the issue yet, so you could do that if you want
[00:51] <fes> jbicha, thank for the info.
[12:38] <LinDol> Is there using ubuntu-gnome in the virtual box?
[12:38] <LinDol> after installing ubuntu-gnome in the virtual box
[12:38] <LinDol> gym is very slow,...
[12:38] <LinDol> *GDM
[12:38] <LinDol> so i can not log-in gnome system..
[12:39] <LinDol> ubuntu-gnome 16.10
[12:47] <jbicha> LinDol: some times in VirtualBox, gdm's login screen doesn't fully appear but you can still try typing in your password anyway
[12:48] <LinDol> jbicha, ohhhh!!
[12:48] <LinDol> You are right.
[12:48] <LinDol> ohhhh
[12:48] <LinDol> i entered GNOME sesttion.
[12:49] <LinDol> even if GDM is not still not changed..
[12:49] <LinDol> How did you know this?
[12:49] <jbicha> I've seen that bug for a while :(
[12:49] <LinDol> ohhhh
[12:49] <jbicha> but I
[12:49] <LinDol> Thank you for your tip :)
[12:49] <jbicha> 've not seen it reported anywhere
[12:50] <LinDol> oh really?
[12:50] <LinDol> i have not met this issue before
[12:50] <LinDol> but i have seen this issue after installing ubuntu-gnome 16.10
[12:50] <LinDol> on my macbook pro
[12:54] <LinDol> anyway, Thank you for your tip ><
[16:31] <Wirehunter> Hi, I'm using ubuntu gnome 16.04 and I want to help development. I signed the ubuntu code of conduct already. What should I do?
[16:35] <jbicha> Wirehunter: what are you interested in working on?
[16:36] <jbicha> aquarius_: oh good, I'm glad you got an answer :)
[16:37] <aquarius_> jbicha: yeah, good eh? never occurred to me to just start up in a terminal :)
[16:38] <Wirehunter> jbicha, software development primarily.
[16:39] <jbicha> Wirehunter: could you be more specific?
[16:39] <Wirehunter> jbicha, I'm a Computer Science student, programming is what I like to do most :)
[16:40] <jbicha> ok, well if you want to look on programming GNOME stuff, you'll probably want to talk to GNOME
[16:41] <jbicha> are you wanting to create something new or work on making existing stuff better?
[16:41] <Wirehunter> Making existing stuff better
[16:43] <jbicha> ok, Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS uses GNOME 3.18 which is getting a bit older now; 3.24 will be released next week
[16:44] <jbicha> you can work on GNOME using jhbuild from an LTS but it still might be easier to use a newer release
[16:45] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 Beta uses GNOME 3.24 Beta but since it's still in beta until next month, there's a risk of it breaking which could be a problem if you have deadlines for school or whatever
[16:47] <jbicha> find something that you'd like to try to make better and either submit patches or talk to the developers
[16:48] <Wirehunter> Yes, that might cause trouble with my deadlines :') That's why I'm running 16.04 at the moment.
[16:49] <jbicha> 16.10 might work for you for this semester; because it's not an LTS you'll need to upgrade twice per year until the next LTS
[16:52] <Wirehunter> So the best thing for me to do is to work with on the gnome project and run a more recent Ubuntu Gnome version so that I can actually make use of the changes i might make to gnome?
[17:01] <jbicha> yes, I think that sounds like what you want to do
[17:01] <Wirehunter> Okay, I'll look into that. Thank you
[17:01] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME itself is a project to make GNOME available on Ubuntu; almost all development is ultimately done in other projects
[17:02] <Wirehunter> I have to get of the train, so I'm packing my stuff.


[00:47] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, make a new forum thread about the doc team already =D
[00:47] <Rocket2DMn> Wouldn't want to miss out on getting people involved over the summer
[02:57] <nhandler> The "ubuntu-doc" project has now been renamed to "ubuntu-docs": https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/73096


[02:41] <h00k> Hiho
[02:52] <Cheesehead> Hohi
[12:57] <Cheesehead> Tonight's IRC Hangout topic: Let's Break Ubuntu Friendly
[12:57] <Cheesehead> 2100 CDT in this channel
[12:57]  * Cheesehead sends out an e-mail to the list
[13:00] <h00k> Cheesehead: I saw that
[13:00] <h00k> cool.
[13:02] <h00k> 9:00pm?
[13:03] <h00k> yep
[13:03] <Cheesehead> I prefer 8:00, but turnout was...not as great as desired.
[13:03] <Cheesehead> Some feedback said to try 9
[13:04] <h00k> Cheesehead: I can't pick you as a contact on the LoCo event page
[13:04] <h00k> I don't see you on the list
[13:05] <h00k> for now, I'll put me
[13:05] <h00k> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1370/detail/
[13:05] <h00k> We should have people 'Register' on this page, too
[13:06] <h00k> it will help with reporting
[13:06] <h00k> as as in, the numbers will automagically be there
[13:06] <h00k> and I think the checkbox-gtk will automatically be installed
[13:08] <h00k> Yeah, You just launch System Testing from the menu
[13:09] <Cheesehead> Hmm. I see me on the event list (ian-weisser)
[13:09]  * Cheesehead puts himself as contact on the loco event
[13:09] <h00k> Oh look, there you are.
[13:09] <h00k> I was blindly looking for Cheesehead
[13:09] <h00k> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1370/detail/
[13:10] <Cheesehead> I had to install checkbox manually, since I do-release-upgrade without a *-desktop metapackage to pull it in automatically.
[13:11] <Cheesehead> (manually meaning sudo apt-get install checkbox-gtk)
[13:11] <h00k> ah, okay
[13:11] <Cheesehead> I haven't reinstalled since 9.04
[13:11] <h00k> #ubuntu-locoteams has been alerted
[13:12] <Cheesehead> alerted?
[13:12] <h00k> I told them ;)
[13:12] <h00k> also, I'll get it on Planet Ubuntu
[13:12] <Cheesehead> Ah, thanks...
[13:16] <h00k> ;)
[15:01]  * Cheesehead creates a loco event for the Oct 26 Meeting
[15:01] <Cheesehead> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/250/detail/
[15:01]  * Cheesehead will be leading the Open Week class on Brainstorm in two hours
[16:48] <h00k> The more publicity, the more we may have show up, and the better odds we may have of being accepted
[16:48] <h00k> oh
[16:49] <h00k> I didn't see that before
[16:49] <h00k> *send
[16:49] <h00k> I had to go on a last-minute-walkthrough
[16:50] <h00k> http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2011/10/18/ubuntu-wisconsin-friendly-testing/
[16:50] <h00k> Cheesehead: ^
[16:50] <Cheesehead> h00k: Cool!
[16:50]  * Cheesehead will be leading the Open Week class on Brainstorm in ten minutes
[16:51] <h00k> Cheesehead: awesome. Add that to your wiki (read: Ubuntu Membership Resume)
[16:51] <Cheesehead> h00k: Ah, good point. I hadn't thought of that!
[16:52] <h00k> Cheesehead: also, add your weekly IRC hours
[16:52] <h00k> And I have to add my testimony
[17:01] <h00k> Cheesehead: feel free to mention our Friendly testing, if you want ;)
[17:06] <Cheesehead> h00k: done!
[17:06] <h00k> ;)
[17:13] <Cheesehead> All right. That class went well!
[17:13] <Cheesehead> Not a single question. My kind of class.
[17:13] <h00k> I don't have any questions :(
[17:14]  * h00k tries to think of a question
[17:15] <h00k> Cheesehead: there we go!
[18:02] <Cheesehead> h00k: Thanks for your help with the Brainstorm session.
[18:03] <Cheesehead> Did you dig up those shills? Or did somebody else?
[18:03] <Cheesehead> There were some good questions in there!
[18:03] <Cheesehead> Thanks for yours. Good question, came at exactly the right time.
[18:26] <h00k> Cheesehead: ;) thanks
[18:26] <h00k> any time.
[18:26] <h00k> shills?
[18:52] <Cheesehead> h00k: shill: n. someone planted in the crowd to urge others to buy something, participate in something, etc. :  The guy's a shill! Don't fall for this setup!
[19:20] <h00k> oh, oh, that kind of shoill.
[19:20] <h00k> shill, rather.
[19:20] <h00k> Hi, EgyParadox
[19:20] <EgyParadox> h00k,
[19:20] <EgyParadox> Hey
[19:21] <h00k> How are you, today?
[19:21] <EgyParadox> good
[19:21] <EgyParadox> u
[19:23] <h00k> 25 hours of work in a 24 hour day
[20:08] <EgyParadox> really?
[21:23] <h00k> I may not be there tonight
[21:23] <h00k> Yeah, work has been absolutely insane today.
[21:23] <h00k> well, since about a week ago.


[00:34] <jono> hey balloons
[00:34] <balloons> hey jono
[00:35] <jono> balloons, mind if we put a call in the calendar for this week?
[00:35] <jono> just a prep call for you starting next week
[00:35] <balloons> not a problem, Friday would work best for me
[00:35] <jono> perfect
[00:35] <jono> any preferred time?
[00:35] <balloons> not really.. but that does remind me. I need to confirm a ride from the airport with you :-)
[00:36] <jono> balloons, that was one thing I wanted to discuss :-)
[00:36] <jono> what time do you get in again?
[00:36] <balloons> lol.. logisitics, logistics.. let me check. I sadly got to attend a funeral to ring in the new year so I was randomly out of town and afk last week
[00:37] <balloons> looks like 12:15 pm I land
[00:37] <jono> balloons, oh sorry to hear that
[00:38] <balloons> thanks... it was my wife's grandfather.. funny guy, he'll be missed. But yes, prepping now for this trip
[00:38] <jono> balloons, I get in at 2.15pm
[00:39] <jono> balloons, so are you happy to sit around and drink a liter of Hungarian Coffee while you wait for me to arrive?
[00:39] <balloons> alright, so that's 2 hours in the airport for me assuming on-time arrivals
[00:39] <balloons> yea, I can hang out in the airport -- do they have a lounge we can get into?
[00:40] <jono> balloons, unfortunately you haven't got your priority pass yet
[00:40] <jono> but there are some cafes in arrivals if I remember
[00:41] <jono> balloons, I will send you my itin so you can see my flight details
[00:42] <balloons> ok, that sounds good jono -- thoughts on how to make sure the meetup goes as planned? we'll both have US phones sadly
[00:43] <jono> balloons, can you send me a recent photo of youself
[00:43] <jono> maybe you can wear a rose and stand under a clocktower
[00:43] <jono> lol
[00:44] <jono> balloons, I will wear an Ubuntu t-shirt when I arrive so you can see it is me - just look for a guy who looks like me with that t-shirt and we should be good
[00:45] <balloons> lol.. we'll discuss and I'll send itinerary details to you as well so we can at least track planes.. I
[00:45] <jono> balloons, cool
[00:45] <balloons> I don't have a rose, but I do have a red backpack
[00:45] <balloons> hehe
[00:45] <jono> I was thinking that if you stand where passengers enter arrivals we should see each other
[00:45] <balloons> well assuming I can get to your gate, i'll hang out there in the seats
[00:46] <cjohnston> balloons: mhall119 will give you $5 if you have a rose for jono
[00:46] <jono> cjohnston, LOL
[00:46] <jono> balloons, the other option is that you make a glittery sign with my name on it
[00:46] <jono> lol
[00:46] <balloons> cjohnston: care to match? I've got a white and a red one left over from the funeral
[00:46] <balloons> :-)
[00:47] <balloons> they may be a bit dead by budapest, but ... zzz
[00:47] <cjohnston> lol
[00:47] <balloons> ohh glittery sign!
[00:47] <balloons> definitely should do that
[00:47] <jono> hah
[00:48] <jono> balloons, call at 10am Pac on Fri ok for you?
[00:48] <balloons> yep, let me slot you in
[00:48] <jono> thanks balloons
[00:48] <jono> balloons, could you mail me your number again
[00:48] <balloons> sure can
[00:48] <cjohnston> balloons: are you in FL?
[00:49] <jono> balloons, dont' answer
[00:49] <jono> you can't trust cjohnston
[00:49] <balloons> your welcome to g+ hangout with me also.. got a nice new webcam (assuming you want to see my pearly whites)
[00:49] <jono> balloons, let's do that
[00:49] <jono> you can see my English teeth
[00:49] <jono> like normal teeth, but English
[00:49] <balloons> cjohnston: yes -- I believe we've even met
[00:50] <cjohnston> wow.. gettin thrown under the bus by jono
[00:50] <cjohnston> orly
[00:50] <jono> cjohnston, lol
[00:50] <cjohnston> hrm
[00:50] <jono> you know I love you brother
[00:50] <cjohnston> yup
[00:51] <balloons> cjohnston: nervous? haha..
[00:52] <cjohnston> balloons: I assume your the Nicholas Skaggs who is friends with Jono and Daniel
[00:52] <cjohnston> where did we meet
[00:52] <balloons> yes -- I'm also a friend of svwilliams
[00:52] <balloons> which is how we have met, albeit briefly
[00:52] <cjohnston> were you at UDS?
[00:52] <balloons> if -- your the chris johnston I'm thinking of...
[00:52] <cjohnston> for a couple hours or something
[00:52] <balloons> yes
[00:53] <cjohnston> gotcha
[00:53] <cjohnston> yup
[00:53] <cjohnston> thats me
[00:53] <balloons> I was sick that week sadly, but I was there
[00:53]  * balloons says "this isn't the chris johnston your looking for" in my best obi-wan voice
[00:53] <cjohnston> You up in the G'ville area?
[00:54] <balloons> yes -- I was the other half of the crazy cat commuting team from gainesville
[00:54] <cjohnston> Too bad
[00:55] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; could you quit referring to cjohnston as chris johnston? I've got a highlight for chris ^_^
[00:55] <cjohnston> chris
[00:55] <cjohnston> chris
[00:55] <cjohnston> chris
[00:55] <cjohnston> chirs
[00:55] <cjohnston> chirs
[00:55] <jcastro> has anyone seen chris?
[00:55] <cjohnston> ehh 3 out of 5 aint bad
[00:55] <balloons> rofl rofl
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston;
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif>  ;-)
[00:56] <balloons> MrChrisDruif, I will try.. Can't say much about the rest of these guys :-)
[00:56]  * cjohnston turns of phone
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe ^_^
[00:56] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks balloons =)
[00:57] <mhall119> jono: he's still upset you didn't have a rose for him at UDS-P
[00:57] <mhall119> bah, meant for cjohnston, not jono
[00:57] <cjohnston> lol
[00:58] <balloons> mhall119, jcastro speaking of flights, where are you guys flying out of?
[00:58] <jcastro> I fly out of either FLL or PBI
[00:58] <balloons> if I may ask... I had the choice of a orlando commute..
[00:58] <mhall119> balloons: I'm not :(
[00:58] <jcastro> I let the travel agent decide, whichever is cheapest
[00:59] <balloons> jcastro, ahh.. you stay well south of me
[00:59] <jcastro> balloons: what we can do in the future is when we're all going to the same place is to book through the guy at the same time
[00:59] <mhall119> jcastro: +1
[00:59] <mhall119> definitely for next UDS
[00:59] <jcastro> like, if we fly Delta we'll always end up in atlanta first
[00:59] <jcastro> etc.
[00:59] <balloons> yes, I was thinking something along those lines
[00:59] <cjohnston> jono: i think you need to come to Orlando for global jam.. mhall119 and balloons will be here..
[00:59] <cjohnston> lol
[01:00] <mhall119> when is the next global jam?
[01:01] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[01:01] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/1445/detail/
[01:02] <mhall119> ah cool, thanks
[01:02] <jono> cjohnston, not sure I will be able to make it out
[01:02] <cjohnston> lol
[01:02] <jono> but a sprint in FL is not out of the question
[01:02] <jono> mhall119, I am just working on your 12.04 plan but I am not going to finish it today, will get it to you tomorrow
[01:02] <cjohnston> we need to get jcastro to come up for global jam this year
[01:02] <jono> we can then have a quick call to review
[01:02] <mhall119> jono: no problem
[01:03] <jono> mhall119, none of it should be much of a surprise
[01:03] <jono> apart from the "Listen to Cannibal Corpse" item
[01:03] <jono> :-)
[01:03] <mhall119> :(
[01:03] <maco> it took about 8 hours, but i finally remembered my gpg key
[01:03] <maco> i mean gpg key passphrase
[01:04] <mhall119> I was gonna say, remembering the whole key, that's pretty darn impressive
[01:04] <jono> mhall119, it's ok, we can still be friends
[01:04] <jono> just no pay raises for you, ever
[01:04] <jono> lol
[01:05] <cprofitt> nice maco
[01:05] <mhall119> that's okay, the pay raises would barely cover the hearing aids anyway
[01:06] <mhall119> jono: I have a 6 and 7 year old, I get all the banging, thrashing and screaming I can take already
[01:06] <maco> also apparently you cant use a secret key when the public key's not in your keyring
[01:06] <jono> mhall119, LOL
[01:06] <maco> just syncing secring.gpg is not enough
[01:09] <cjohnston> mhall119: we should send the kids to Cali during summer break for a few days of fun with Uncle Jono
[01:10] <cprofitt> lol
[01:10] <cprofitt> my kids would have jono on the ceiling in a matter of minutes
[01:10] <cprofitt> I would never do that to him or them
[01:10] <jcastro> man dude cprofitt
[01:10] <jcastro> trhat wifi article you linked to is awesome
[01:11] <jcastro> I totally just moved my stuff to the right channel
[01:11] <cprofitt> it is... I was impressed with the read... and the concept the guy had for identifying the neighbors stuff
[01:11] <cjohnston> link
[01:11] <cprofitt> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-howto/31656-it-takes-a-neighborhood-to-fix-bad-wireless
[01:12] <cprofitt> the site is pretty good to for NAS and Wireless reviews
[01:13] <mhall119> cjohnston: +1
[01:15] <balloons> cprofitt, ahh yes.. set your router to channel 8 and cause interfence on both channel 6 and 11 :-)
[01:20] <jcastro> I don't like the idea of associating my essid to my address though
[01:20] <jcastro> I would just tell the dude next to me "I'll take this one, you take that one."
[01:22] <balloons> in the past I've always just scanned and tried to find the least congested channel.. as time goes on you inevitably have to rescan
[01:22] <cprofitt> jcastro: I agree about the address part... though to be honest... it wouldn't be that hard to find out which house has which ssid
[01:23] <jcastro> yeah I guess it depends wether you're in NYC or in a suburb
[01:25] <cprofitt> yeah... in the city it would be a bit harder
[09:30] <dpm> good morning everyone
[11:07] <cjohnston> mornin dpm
[11:09] <dpm> hey cjohnston :)
[12:52] <mhall119> morning
[12:55] <MrChrisDruif> afternoon
[13:40] <alourie> hello
[15:56] <jcastro> ~4 minutes jono?
[15:58] <jono> jcastro, yup
[16:02] <jono> jcastro, dpm, mhall119, balloons hangout invite sent
[16:02] <dpm> hey, coming over...
[16:03] <jono> balloons, don;t feel you need to join us
[16:03] <jono> we are just hanging for a bit
[16:05] <jono> mhall119, yoohoo!
[16:05] <mhall119> coming
[16:06] <jono> cheers
[16:54] <mhall119> jono: what are your thoughts on an Upstream blog/planet/portal website?
[16:54] <jono> mhall119, I don't think we need a portal
[16:55] <jono> the upstream world is so big I think it would not be hugely beneficial to Ubuntu
[16:56] <mhall119> ok, I'm thinking of where we can highlight work like david's other than personal blogs and facebook/g+
[16:57] <MrChrisDruif> David's work?
[16:57] <mhall119> davidcalle, onehundredscopes
[16:57] <jono> mhall119, in my mind we want to highlight in the wider community
[16:58] <jono> as opposed to a scoped (pun intended) planet
[16:58] <jono> although, who knows, this may make sense in the future
[16:58] <jono> I think our focus on this kind of outreach needs to be Planet, OMG, and our social media accounts
[16:59] <mhall119> ok, david doesn't currently have a blog (talking to him about starting one)
[16:59] <mhall119> and it doesn't look like he's an Ubuntu member yet either, so no planet access
[16:59] <pangolin> Who does one contact if they want to make/sell a product using the Ubuntu logo?
[17:07] <balloons> afternoon everyone - sorry I missed the hangout :-(
[17:07] <mhall119> good afternoon balloons
[17:10] <balloons> bit chilly here in fl -- got our first freeze(s) of the year
[17:10] <balloons> well of the winter I should say
[17:12] <pangolin> warn here in QC, -10C
[17:12] <pangolin> warm*
[17:13] <balloons> very nice! any snow yet?
[17:14] <pangolin> a lot less than normal
[17:14] <pangolin> but yeah we got an inch or two
[17:14] <balloons> my wife has friends across canada all who were lamenting the lack of snow.. been a different winter
[17:14] <pangolin> indeed
[17:15] <pangolin> slow start usually means a big finish
[17:15] <balloons> yep -- prepare for the late april ice storms
[17:16] <jcastro> dpm: the AU lens should be in the queue now
[17:16] <jcastro> he liked the process!
[17:16] <jcastro> "well thanks for your help, now I'll keep my fingers crossed this goes through and start working on the next thing (:"
[17:17] <dpm> jcastro, indeed it's there \o/ https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/
[17:17] <jcastro> <--- lunching, be back in 60
[17:32] <mhall119> jcastro: dpm is there a reason lenses are going through myapps instead of revu?
[17:34] <dpm> mhall119, they can go either way (revu -> universe, myapps -> extras). I just thought having some nice and popular software (and easily packageable) go through myapps and the ARB process should both encourage ARB members and give some more visibility to the ARB process
[17:35] <dpm> at the moment, we do not have any free software in extras, and it'd be nice to have some
[17:35] <mhall119> dpm: okay
[17:35] <mhall119> what would be the difference between extras and Universe then?
[17:37] <dpm> the idea of extras.ubuntu.com and the ARB process was to speed up and streamline the workflow of apps getting into the Software Centre. However, there have been some blockers in the process and it does not work as effectively as intended, but we're working on ways to improve it
[17:39] <mhall119> is there any intent or process to move packages from extras into universe in subsequent releases?
[17:39] <maco> mhall119: i thought the idea was to not do that and therefore have abandonware disappear like it should
[17:40] <mhall119> maco: disappear out of universe, or out of extras?
[17:40] <maco> extras doesnt carry forward to the next release, so the abandonware that's not intentionally moved to the next release goes away when the release is EOL'd
[17:40] <jcastro> mhall119: I think of it this way, one is the debian way, one is the android way
[17:40] <dpm> mhall119, there is no formal process, but sometimes the ARB sends app developers to either universe, backports or Debian.
[17:41] <maco> universe automatically carries forward so abandonware lives on in our repos until someone makes an effort to remove it
[17:42] <mhall119> maco: dpm: jcastro: understood, thanks for clarifying for me
[17:42] <mhall119> makes much more sense now
[17:43] <dpm> mhall119, any time. If I can help clarifying anything, feel free to ask!
[17:45] <mhall119> dpm: how can an electron be both a wave and a partcle at the same time?
[17:45] <pangolin> lol
[17:45] <dpm> mhall119, 42?
[17:45] <pangolin> I was going to ask if he would mind clarifying those onions I have chopped
[17:45] <mhall119> ha
[17:45] <maco> how is a raven like a writing desk?
[17:46] <mhall119> specificity is important
[17:46] <dpm> I'll perhaps have to reduce the scope of my offer of help :)
[21:03] <bkerensa> :( I wasn't able to find one Ubuntu Women to mentor WOU students :(
[21:09] <AlanBell> how have you described the opportunity?
[21:11] <AlanBell> are you a lecturer at WOU?
[21:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: you can sign up to our mailing list and post the request there too
[21:13] <pleia2> unfortunately I think you'll find that most of us are already painfully over-committed
[21:14] <bkerensa> :)
[21:16] <AlanBell> same goes for any mentoring or volunteering thing, if you are looking for volunteers you have to describe in detail the level of commitment required and the return on investment of time
[21:19] <czajkowski> bkerensa: I saw both mails just nothing there I could help with, plus for me UW is a group I can post to if I was attending a conf to meet up with
[21:20] <AlanBell> and it will be of limited interest to people outside of the West Oregon area unless you describe why anyone who can't find Oregon on a map should be interested
[21:21] <czajkowski> add in timezones as well
[21:21] <bkerensa> AlanBell: I'm not a lecturer at WOU.... Initially WOU approached Ubuntu California and then they passed them to me ;) and as to the level of commitment it is all virtual and at most a hour or two per week discussing contributing to the Ubuntu Community. The professor has been a bit vague about details but thats because this is the first class focusing on contributing to Ubuntu in the State.
[21:22] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I have people in Egypt volunteering to mentor and stay up at odd hours if need be :P
[21:22] <bkerensa> I think Egypt and Portugal were the two out of country locations
[21:22] <czajkowski> bkerensa: well that;s good you have volunteers so
[21:23] <bkerensa> AlanBell: You can't find Oregon on a map? :)
[21:24] <mhall119> its in Canada, right?
[21:25] <AlanBell> bkerensa: it is in America somewhere, I can find America
[21:25] <AlanBell> can you find Surrey?
[21:25] <snap-l> Google Maps can. ;)
[21:25] <mhall119> lol
[21:25] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Of course I have a friend who is from there and his green card ended :D
[21:26] <AlanBell> :)
[21:26] <bkerensa> AlanBell: You ever hear of OSU OSL?
[21:26] <bkerensa> :D
[21:26] <AlanBell> nope
[21:26] <snap-l> Anyone know where Detroit is? :)
[21:26] <czajkowski> yes
[21:26] <czajkowski> 8 mile
[21:26] <AlanBell> good film
[21:27] <pangolin> I know where Detroit is but the CoC prevents me fromtellingyou.
[21:27] <czajkowski> eminem land
[21:27] <pangolin> wow, lack of spaces
[21:27] <snap-l> I'm glad Eminem is now the ambassador for Detroit.
[21:27] <bkerensa> AlanBell: http://osuosl.org/services/hosting/communities <--  in oregon
[21:27] <snap-l> For the longest time, Bob Seger was it.
[21:28] <bkerensa> Only thing I like from Detroit is that Pawn shop show
[21:28] <bkerensa> :P
[21:28] <snap-l> Also, having not seen 8-mile, I can assume it's as accurate for depicting Detroit as Crocodile Dundee is for depicting Australia. ;)
[21:29] <snap-l> hah
[21:29] <bkerensa> heh
[21:29] <snap-l> iirc, most of that stuff is staged, at best.
[21:30] <bkerensa> I thought Crocodile Dundee just depicted what happens with Aussies come to America? :)
[21:30] <bkerensa> when*
[21:30] <snap-l> Same difference. ;)
[21:30]  * popey flinches
[21:41] <AlanBell> bkerensa: maybe ask the professor to mail the list/come on IRC
[21:44] <jcastro> jono: after today's team call there's nothing I really need to discuss, unless you'd like to have me do some things prepared before the rally
[21:45] <jcastro> well, nothing work related.
[21:45] <jcastro> We do need to discuss the new Metallica EP
[21:47] <snap-l> the two songs left off of Death Magnetic?
[21:47] <jcastro> 4
[21:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: Have bitesize opps been updated?
[21:47] <bkerensa> :D
[21:47] <jcastro> bkerensa: which ones?
[21:47] <snap-l> Because frankly from what I've heard, they tossed the weat out, and pucked through the chaff
[21:48] <jcastro> meh, I like it
[21:48] <snap-l> I mean for Death Magnetic
[21:48] <jcastro> I know what you meant
[21:48] <jcastro> heh
[21:48] <snap-l> Those songs should have been on that album
[21:48] <jcastro> one song, at least is good enough to be on the album instead of that Unforgiven thing
[21:48] <snap-l> Christ yes.
[21:49] <snap-l> I'm not sure how much coke you'd need to be to think Unforgiven was worthy of the album time
[21:49] <jcastro> Hate Train has a nice middle rocking riff
[21:49] <snap-l> But I think the unit will be called "Lars"
[21:49] <snap-l> as in "it would take one Lars of Coke to think Unforgiven is a worthwhile song"
[21:50] <jcastro> I like DM
[21:50] <snap-l> I like Judas Kiss
[21:50] <jcastro> if you hate it then put lulu on.
[21:50] <jcastro> then you will think it's amazing
[21:50] <snap-l> Oh HELL no
[21:50] <snap-l> I've heard stories
[21:50] <snap-l> seen blog posts
[21:50] <jcastro> I heard the one on the radio
[21:50] <jcastro> man, I literally wanted to kill myself
[21:50] <snap-l> I don't need to hear what a trainwreck sounds like to know I don't want to be a part of it.
[21:51] <bkerensa> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Bitesize/Opportunities <-- is that upto date?
[21:51] <jcastro> oh dude
[21:51] <jcastro> nice catch
[21:51] <jcastro> no
[21:51] <jcastro> it needs to be rerun on the source list.
[21:51] <jcastro> mhall119: ^
[21:52] <jcastro> mhall119: this is an area that we looked at but never had time to flesh out
[21:52] <jcastro> might be worth thinking about again
[21:52] <jcastro> snap-l: I like the beginning riff in judas kiss
[21:54] <jcastro> snap-l: do you have "hate train" handy?
[21:54] <jono> jcastro, sorry, I have been so slammed, let's talk tomorrow
[21:54] <jcastro> jono: nod
[21:54] <jcastro> jono: about work or metal?
[21:54]  * jcastro snickers
[21:54] <jono> lol
[21:54] <jono> both
[21:54] <snap-l> jcastro: I don't have it handy, but I'm at work so I don't have easy access to it.
[21:54] <jcastro> snap-l: ping me when you get home, and then go to 4:20 in
[21:54]  * snap-l is in an office now because Canonical doesn't love me. ;(
[21:55] <snap-l> (sniff)
[21:55] <jcastro> snap-l: it's ok, I love you
[21:55] <snap-l> jcastro: I love you too, man
[22:19] <jono> mhall119, can we have a quick call?
[22:51] <mhall119> jono: Im out right now, will be soon
[22:57] <jono> mhall119, tomorrow is fine, I mailed you
[22:57] <jono> I have a call in a few mins
[23:01]  * bkerensa wonders what Canonical has up its sleeve for CES :)
[23:08] <mhall119> bkerensa: arms
[23:08] <mhall119> what else wouldyou have up your sleeves?
[23:12] <maco> whats a CES?
[23:14] <mhall119> Consumer Electronics Show
[23:22] <maco> ah
[23:22] <maco> i got stuck on S. was guessing Symposium
[23:22] <maco> also, while waiting for a build to finish... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BSVqZ_9k8cU/Se6jfKFHoCI/AAAAAAAAAFc/jeCePpLNGys/s1600-h/doncha.jpg *giggle*
[23:23] <pleia2> maco: http://blog.canonical.com/2012/01/03/canonical-at-ces-las-vegas-10th-13th-january/
[23:24] <maco> oh wait i can TOTALLY see a use for this on IRC! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BSVqZ_9k8cU/SMrlnFhwtMI/AAAAAAAAABc/ZQrgIp-xITQ/s1600-h/aveloc.jpg
[23:24] <maco> they dont even make electronics though
[23:24] <maco> *shrug*


[02:34] <Kilos> o/
[14:32] <dholbach> svij, ubucon call today? :)
[14:33] <svij> dholbach: on my way
[14:34] <svij> dholbach: the permissions changed again
[14:36] <dholbach> bizarre!
[14:46] <svij> urgs
[14:53] <dholbach> I lost parts of my voice over the weekend as you heard
[14:55] <svij> you sound as bad as every day, dholbach
[14:55]  * svij hides
[14:55] <dholbach> I wasn't expecting any different reply :)
[14:55] <svij> :D
[15:03] <DiegoTc> Hi to all, if you could like to help in the Google Code In 2016 (GCI) this year as mentor, please help us adding your  task to the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn2016
[16:59] <dholbach> All right my friends - I need to run. Have a good one and see you tomorrow!
[20:40] <wxl> hey mhall119 did you guys receive my additional request for funds? haven't heard anything from claire or anyone about it and there's a little over a week to go


[01:22] <duflu> robert_ancell: Sorry to trouble you but I'm not sure anyone else knows how and is also blessed to do so: Can we update the Xmir patch for xenial?
[01:24] <duflu> RAOF: Did linking get faster recently? Did we switch to gold or did gcc just get fixed?
[01:25] <RAOF> gcc may have been fixed?
[01:25] <RAOF> We're on 5.3 now.
[01:25] <robert_ancell> duflu, do you need it sponsored?
[01:25] <duflu> Yeah 5.3 caused the slowdown actually
[01:25] <duflu> robert_ancell: Maybe... I don't remember that process
[01:26] <robert_ancell> duflu, or do you want me to generate a patch from the branch and upload that?
[01:26]  * robert_ancell tries to remember about xmir
[01:26] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yes please
[01:27] <duflu> Fortunately xorg hasn't changed otherwise since November
[01:29] <robert_ancell> duflu, is bregma aware of these changes?
[01:30] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yes, it was work requested by him and kgunn
[01:30] <robert_ancell> cool
[01:30] <duflu> Otherwise I would not have touched it
[01:30] <robert_ancell> :)
[01:30] <duflu> robert_ancell: The two "Fix Committed": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bugs?field.tag=xmir
[01:36] <robert_ancell> duflu, do you fix configure.ac to check for a more recent version of Mir?
[01:36] <robert_ancell> one of your commits suggests that is the case
[01:36] <duflu> robert_ancell: Where is that comment?
[01:36] <robert_ancell> duflu, https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir/commit/?id=3f1e0ab7e5a8af5578cd10492c1f93e9bf97e252
[01:37] <robert_ancell> it's a runtime dependency I guess, but probably worth checking on build
[01:37] <duflu> robert_ancell: No, it's a runtime requirement. Also probably safe to assume any updated Ubuntu Touch system has Mir new enough
[01:37] <duflu> Especially if it also has /future/ Xmir
[01:38] <robert_ancell> duflu, yeah, but anyone building X would probably want to fail if they have an old version
[01:38] <duflu> robert_ancell: It's not a build-time check. Xmir links to libmirclient.so.9 which may be from "any" Mir version
[01:39] <robert_ancell> duflu, yes, but configure is not necessaraily just for checking API compatibility
[01:40] <duflu> robert_ancell: It would have to be a runtime check (on Android only) that the Mir client library version is new enough. But that's actually less severe than the QtMir fix, which we can't detect from Xmir
[01:41] <robert_ancell> duflu, my point is by putting in configure.ac you stop someone with Mir 0.15 installed from building, because they are almost certainly going to hit the issue when they run the X they built
[01:41]  * duflu checks distro
[01:42] <duflu> robert_ancell: Ubuntu 15.10 and later already ships with a new enough Mir. And the QtMir bug can't be detected (we don't even know where it got fixed)
[01:42] <duflu> So I'm happy to skip any detection attempts
[01:42] <robert_ancell> duflu, but this is a patch to xorg, which is not necessarily built on Ubuntu
[01:42] <robert_ancell> ...
[01:42]  * robert_ancell gives up
[01:43] <duflu> robert_ancell: I see your point, but it would be a hack of probably no real-world value and would still not protect the user entirely if they are using an old Unity8
[01:44] <RAOF> configure.ac is a nice place to document such a dependency.
[01:44] <duflu> It's not a dependency. We could switch it to a compatibility mode at run time. But it's impossible to reliably detect if that is required
[01:46] <duflu> I will personally worry about our phone images having the right bits. But non-Ubuntu users I'm happy to say: You need a Mir v0.16 or later for it to work properly.
[01:59] <RAOF> (Which is what a mir-client >= 0.16 in configure.ac documents ☺)
[02:01] <duflu> RAOF: It can and should build with older Mir... libmirclient9 is the requirement. When did that happen?
[02:01] <RAOF> But it won't work at runtime with mir-client < 0.16?
[02:01] <RAOF> Which is why you document that in the configure.ac check!
[02:02] <duflu> RAOF: It could if we detected it and switched to slow mode. But we can't also detect the broken QtMir
[02:02] <RAOF> But we don't, so it doesn't.
[02:02] <RAOF> Basically: it's harmless to bump that version requirement, and it's courteous to anyone trying to get it to work.
[02:03] <duflu> RAOF: It's not a "bump". We don't check the Mir version at runtime yet do we? That's a code change
[02:03] <duflu> Also not a reliable or useful one, probably
[02:03] <RAOF> We have a check in configure.ac, yes? Because we link with libmirclient9.
[02:04] <RAOF> *That* check is a simple bump.
[02:04] <duflu> RAOF: That's a build time check. We still want it to be buildable with old Mir. Building on old Mir is not broken
[02:05] <RAOF> It's useless to build against old Mir, though.
[02:05] <RAOF> I mean, you can build it, but you'll run into this bug and it won't work.
[02:05] <RAOF> So in order to use it you'll need to have a newer build of Mir.
[02:05] <RAOF> So there's no benefit gained in letting people build something they won't be able to run.
[02:06] <RAOF> But this isn't really interesting enough to argue about, either :)
[02:07] <duflu> RAOF: It's a silly feature to check and then throttle. If someone is advanced enough to build their own Xmir and they're not using Ubuntu, we should just remind them we'll only support recent versions
[02:07] <RAOF> Indeed!
[02:08] <RAOF> Which is why we should bump the configure.ac check!
[02:08] <duflu> RAOF: Also, this only applies to Android. And never desktop
[02:08] <RAOF> I'm not arguing for runtime detection!
[02:08] <duflu> Desktop users can use old Mir fine
[02:08] <duflu> Only touch users can't
[02:10] <duflu> Although the QtMir bug does affect desktop... we have no knowledge of exactly what version that got fixed in. Just "it seems to be fixed this year"
[02:20] <duflu> Hmm, now I look at it again, the only relevant Mir bug was only on Android and only relevant to non-nested servers. That's what got fixed in 0.16.0
[02:21] <robert_ancell> duflu, is anyone looking at updating xmir for the X 1.18 API (i.e. you)
[02:22] <duflu> robert_ancell: No I wasn't yet. Still focusing on xenial (1.17)
[02:22] <duflu> Sounds like branches will happen
[02:22] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, was asking, but I haven't had time to have a look
[02:23] <duflu> robert_ancell: Best not to mess with what we've got (which seems like the right branch for xenial) right now
[02:23] <duflu> robert_ancell: Oh I see new Xmir in xenial proposed already. You rock.
[02:24] <robert_ancell> duflu, it was for testing purposes and to be ready when fglrx updates to the new API we can shift over.
[02:24] <robert_ancell> I guess 1.18 will land into 16.10
[02:24] <robert_ancell> duflu, please test xmir from -proposed :)
[02:24] <duflu> robert_ancell: OK, ta
[02:25] <duflu> robert_ancell: I won't have an answer till at least your Wednesday though
[02:25] <robert_ancell> duflu, for xmir?
[02:26] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yeah I'm still ploughing through morning tasks and have two time consuming meetings today
[02:26] <duflu> But should be able to do all the manual testing required before tomorrow
[02:27]  * duflu wonders if his words are knocking robert_ancell over
[02:27] <robert_ancell> hmm, any reason why I can't VT switch away from mir_demo_server anymore?
[02:27] <robert_ancell> I had to reboot, was stuck on VT1
[02:28] <duflu> robert_ancell: There is a known bug. Lemme find it
[02:29] <duflu> robert_ancell: Non-root?
[02:29] <robert_ancell> duflu, as root
[02:29] <duflu> Oh, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1286252
[02:29] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1286252 in Mir "mir_demo_server* successfully start as non-root (without input support), meaning it can't be quit/switched away from" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:29] <robert_ancell> yeah, I've fallen for the non-root base before
[02:29] <duflu> robert_ancell: Or generally it might mean you have no input platform :)
[02:30] <robert_ancell> duflu, which package name
[02:30] <duflu> robert_ancell: mir-platform-input-evdev5
[05:33] <tjaalton> duflu: 1.18 is in ppa:canonical-x/x-staging
[05:33] <tjaalton> i've ported xmir to it
[05:34] <tjaalton> sent a CFT to ubuntu-devel some time ago
[05:36] <tjaalton> plan was to move it to main before FF, but nvidia hybrids regress with the blob, unity-greeter crashes
[05:37] <tjaalton> so we're looking into that first
[06:13] <anpok_> hm i thought 1286252 has been fixed already, by accident
[06:16] <anpok_> oh ok only partially
[06:16] <anpok_> there is still a way to get stuck
[06:20] <duflu> tjaalton: Thanks. So long as you have the Xmir changes from the past few days too (https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir/)
[06:24] <tjaalton> duflu: yeah I've now merged it in the branch, will upload to ppa later
[06:24] <duflu> tjaalton: Cool, thanks. Ignore the email then
[06:25] <tjaalton> this is what was needed to port it btw http://sprunge.us/JfHW
[06:27] <duflu> tjaalton: No risk on the GL stuff because Touch uses software rendering for now. Only the keyboard changes I guess
[06:29] <tjaalton> I should probably test that :)
[06:30] <duflu> tjaalton: If you test it on desktop it will default to DRI2 (not what the phone uses), so add: -sw
[06:41] <duflu> tjaalton: Do you have permission to create a git branch for your changes? https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir/
[06:41] <duflu> That's ~xmir-team I guess
[06:46] <duflu> tjaalton: Today's package just vanished from proposed and only the old release is visible. Is that right? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server
[06:47] <duflu> Maybe it's just a transitional period. I vaguely recall that happens
[06:49] <tjaalton> duflu: i might be able to create a branch, after joining the team at least
[06:49] <duflu> Ah I see it was "Deleted 16 minutes ago by Ubuntu Archive Robot - moved to release"
[06:49] <duflu> tjaalton: That's OK. Just we'll need to remember to do it and incorporate your changes before any new major Xmir work
[06:50] <tjaalton> yeah
[06:50] <duflu> And make that new branch the default one
[06:50] <duflu> I forget how
[06:51] <tjaalton> ok
[07:01] <zzarr> okey RAOF, thanks, I  hope for the first option ("jumping" to internal, and back to external when the cable is pluged in again)
[07:01] <RAOF> zzarr: Just bear in mind, essentially no application currently written will support that.
[07:02] <zzarr> RAOF, I know, but if the Vulkan framework for a sample will be then that would be splendid :-)
[07:03] <zzarr> I don't know if though
[07:03] <duflu> Ooh progress. The new xmir is released in xenial before I've finished testing it :)
[07:04] <zzarr> duflu, is that good or bad?
[07:04] <duflu> Not sure yet
[07:04] <duflu> Can't hurt. If anything is wrong we'll fix it quickly
[07:05] <zzarr> well it happened in any way
[07:10] <zzarr> awesome my internet is faster then I pay for I pay for 100/100 and get 120/115 :-)
[07:12] <zzarr> my grammar is poor though (realized that when I read my line)
[07:15] <zzarr> in any way I'm happy to see that so many are enthusiastic about Ubuntu :-) (I'm one of the enthustiast)
[07:51] <zzarr> does anyone know the status of Miracast (Aethercast)?
[14:56] <alan_g> greyback: I don't really know my way around the unity8 code, and this is something you might know: is there anything that relies on MIR setting $MIR_SERVER? ("anything" would be forking a client process that relies on that environment variable to find the server - which isn't something I expect/can find.)
[14:58] <greyback> alan_g: MIR_SERVER env var? No, I've never even seen that env var before, let alone seeing code depending on it
[15:00] <alan_g> greyback: the Mir client API can use it to find the server socket. (if the client code doesn't specify a socket)
[15:01] <alan_g> But I *think* setting it in the server process is a legacy mess that isn't useful and is confusing.
[15:01] <greyback> alan_g: ok. I've only seen MIR_SOCKET being used to specify that, and upstart is responsible for that
[15:02] <alan_g> The legacy thinking was that Mir servers would set it and launch clients. But it hasn't turned out that way - U8 doesn't launch clients directly does it?
[15:03] <greyback> alan_g: nope
[15:03] <alan_g> Excellent!
[15:03]  * alan_g is going to delete the mess


[19:01] <topyli> hi
[19:02]  * charlie-tca waves
[19:02] <topyli> ircc meeting, who's in?
[19:07] <nhandler> Hey topyli
[19:07] <nhandler> Pici, tsimpson: You guys around?
[19:11] <nhandler> topyli: So, what do you think we should do? We already cancelled the last meeting.
[19:12] <topyli> well, no quorum, no agenda items
[19:13] <nhandler> topyli: Yep. Hopefully, we will be able to reach quorum again soon (it will help when jussi's schedule returns to normal)
[19:13] <topyli> if someone else has issues, we can hear them but not act officially
[19:14] <topyli> yes we can grant jussi a day for a honeymoon.  :)
[19:15] <nhandler> So does anyone here have any last minute things they would like discussed?
[19:15]  * nhandler is sorry for not sending out a reminder, he didn't wake up until ~1hr before the meeting
[19:16]  * charlie-tca dropped in to observe today
[19:17] <nhandler> topyli: Would you like to send out an email to the ML explaining what happened at this "meeting" ?
[19:18] <topyli> nhandler: will do
[19:19] <nhandler> Great. Thanks topyli
[19:20] <topyli> ok, until next one,cheers