[00:00] <Thinkerer68> Upgrading from 9.10 Karmic to 10.04 Lucid right now  XD
[00:00] <ronnoc> sithlord48: Last time I tried, the RootActions Service Menu from GHNS was broken with Kubuntu 10.10+
[00:00] <sithlord48> ronnoc:  not all of them work this is true
[00:00] <Thinkerer68> What's the worst that can happen?
[00:00] <MrGizmo757> Well not sure how to get accsess to cups. even using sudo its not letting me in
[00:00] <sithlord48> worst is you get nothing
[00:00] <EldonG> hmmm...don't see get new...*sigh*.
[00:00] <ronnoc> sithlord48: it installs but nothing happens. He can just install Sam Rog's PPA: https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa and get it
[00:01] <ronnoc> sithlord48: why it's not installed by defualt I will never ever know >.>
[00:01] <sithlord48> lol
[00:01] <MrGizmo757> you think if disabled hplic first it would let Me into cups?
[00:02] <ronnoc> EldonG: Settings > Configure > Services > Download New Services
[00:02] <sithlord48> sorry on phone and like 10 other chats atm
[00:04] <ronnoc> but use this instead: https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa and install "kde-service-menu-rootactions"
[00:04] <ronnoc> or just download the individual package
[00:04] <EldonG> not seeing download new services, either.  Hmmm.
[00:05] <ronnoc> EldonG: It's next to a yellow star lol
[00:05] <ronnoc> but I would install the PPA I linked above myself instead
[00:05] <ronnoc> some really good stuff in there
[00:06] <EldonG> er...no yellow stars.  I'm just now upgrading to Lucid...maybe?
[00:06] <sithlord48> yea rog's ppa is awsome..
[00:06] <sithlord48> EldonG:  what version do u have now , this migh thave been added in lucid
[00:06] <ronnoc> EldonG: That would explain it :p
[00:06] <EldonG> Cool.
[00:06] <EldonG> Too many versions.  :p
[00:07] <ronnoc> EldonG: Can I ask why you started from so far back? Why not just do a fresh 10.10 install?
[00:08] <ronnoc> EldonG: KDE is a very stable at 10.10 and later
[00:08] <EldonG> I had Linux burned previously...wanted to do a dual, when this computer was new (2 years ago)...but Vista doesn't play fair.
[00:09] <EldonG> ...when my drive died, I kicked Vista to the curb, and did my install.
[00:09] <EldonG> (on a new drive)
[00:09] <dobreic> glad you chose kde
[00:09] <ronnoc> ahhhh. smart person. but yea you have a LOT of updates ahead of you lol
[00:10] <EldonG> I am, too.  Frustrating trying o learn it all, but hey.  ;)
[00:10] <EldonG> er...to learn...duh.
[00:10] <new2net> i finally found the right channel.   On startup KDE crashes... says "failed to mount device". Then I get a stacktrace. How can I even begin to fix this?
[00:10] <new2net> kde_init  or something crashes.  heh
[00:10] <ronnoc> Kubuntu is finally getting to the point where it "just works", but of course tinker and learn all you want! =)
[00:11] <dobreic> i have a usb to sata, i just recover my files and reinstall
[00:11] <EldonG> <-- used to be a tech...a hobbyist programmer...and an old VoodooDos guy.  ;)
[00:11] <new2net> i think it happened because I mounted a truecrypt partition then restarted without unmounting it properly. Any ideas?
[00:12] <ronnoc> EldonG: As in Voodoo graphics stuff? Legendary! :)
[00:12] <ronnoc> claydoh: Hello there
[00:13]  * new2net sighs
[00:13] <claydoh> ronnoc: hi
[00:13] <EldonG> ronnoc...nah, just using batch files to make Dos sit up and beg...though I do play with Blender and whatnot.  :)
[00:13] <new2net> no love for a novice *nix user
[00:14] <ronnoc> i'm old enough to remember DOS...pretty sure that made me confident I could dothis 'nix stuff OK :)
[00:14] <ronnoc> new2net: what issue are you having?
[00:14] <EldonG> lol...I played my first computer games on a TI 960.  ;)
[00:14] <new2net> ronnoc can I show you the stack trace?
[00:15] <ronnoc> new2net: nah I'm not a programmer, sorry I wouldn't be much help at all
[00:15] <claydoh> new2net: how did you mount the partition?
[00:15] <claydoh> undo that perhaps
[00:16] <ronnoc> EldonG: TRS-80 here :)
[00:16] <new2net> claydoh: hmm... but I did undo that I thought... Let me pastebin the stacktrace and maybe someone knows
[00:17] <new2net> http://pastebin.com/kCkqEmVn
[00:18] <claydoh> stacktrace may not help the issue is the mounting i think
[00:18] <claydoh> nope, stacktrace is unhelpful :(
[00:18] <EldonG> I've fiddled with the TRS-80s...the Commodores (pets, vic-20s, and 64s) Apples, from the first and up, TIs 99/4a...etc, etc...the 960 was a mini in the Richardson complex.  :)
[00:18] <new2net> oh. well I mounted them using the truecrypt gui, so I can't really be more specific
[00:18] <claydoh> !on-topic
[00:19] <new2net> other than I am using kde 3.5.10
[00:20] <sithlord48> yea claydoh how it going, also do u know anything about setting up blink in natty ?
[00:21] <claydoh> sithlord48: wats blink? that probably answers that question :)
[00:21] <sithlord48> claydoh:  its a voip client, GG was just telling me about it , were gonna test it if i can get it workin in natty .
[00:22] <claydoh> new2net: can you go into trucrypt and undo the mount action from there?  Else use "kdesudo kate" to edit your /etc/fstab file and put a "#" in front of the line containing the partition
[00:23] <m477> do I need special drivers to run .mkv video?
[00:23] <m477> because it looks bad on my pc
[00:24] <new2net> claydoh: that is what I'll try
[00:24] <MrGizmo757> hey guys i found what My pdf printing problem is. But Not sure how to fix it.  the problem is in the Okular pdf reader.  i installed Adobe pdf reader and i dont have the issue.  but if i try to print from Okular strange things happen
[00:25] <ronnoc> MrGizmo757: Sounds like an Okular bug then. I'd see if any similar issues have been reported w/ KDE
[00:26] <claydoh> sithlord48: http://lists.ag-projects.com/pipermail/blink/2011-May/001347.html
[00:26] <MrGizmo757> yeah i am serching the forums now to see if i can find somthing about it.
[00:27] <shad_> Hello
[00:27] <claydoh> sithlord48: probably natty uses newer python stuff from maverick
[00:28] <ronnoc> MrGizmo757: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196590
[00:28] <sithlord48> claydoh:  yea it seams so mainly in the python-sipsimple package being updated to python-sip (and w/ changes ?)
[00:28] <MrGizmo757> Thank you. :-)
[00:28] <shad_> anybody knows if
[00:28] <shad_> is it possible to open only one instance of dolphin? and if another folder is opened it opens a new tab (just like a browser)?
[00:29] <new2net> claydoh: fstab correctly reflects what hardware I have. Konqueror is not showing 1 of my drives.
[00:30] <new2net> /dev/sda5 is missing
[00:30] <claydoh> new2net: so disable the trucrypt one and see if that fixes it maybe? I assume the missing drive is the trucrypt one?
[00:30] <claydoh> pastepin the fstab
[00:31] <EldonG> shad...yup.  I regularly have more than one open.
[00:32] <new2net> http://pastebin.com/3Y5nNnTe
[00:32] <shad_> yes but if a program is opening a folder with dolphin, and dolphin is already open, it opens another window...what i want is to force dolphin to have only one instance
[00:33] <EldonG> duh...misread ya.  my bad.
[00:33] <shad_> i don't know if i'm clear...
[00:33] <dobreic> rekonq is a pos
[00:34] <dobreic> ive used konqueror forever and never seen too many crashes
[00:36] <yofel> shad_: I can't find any dolphin setting for that, maybe konqueror has something like that though
[00:36] <MrGizmo757> ronnoc:  this bug apparently is in QT. its causing the default paper size settings in Okular to change to a diffrent value then what is configured in cups. this is making the printer queue crash. you can set Okular back to Normal but the value wont stay. you have to change it every time.
[00:37] <sithlord48> A4 paper size?
[00:37] <shad_> thank you anyway, i'll look for other solutions ;)
[00:37] <MrGizmo757> so problem figured out but not solved.  Oh Well! atleast i can Make it print now
[00:38] <ronnoc> MrGizmo757: Too bad you had to use the proprietart software to do it, but yea. working right is always the important thing!
[00:38] <ronnoc> *y
[00:39] <MrGizmo757> yeah, We dont Like to say the P word around here. LOL!
[00:41] <EldonG> So...anybody know where a good guide to Kubuntu might be located?  In .pdf, maybe?
[00:44] <mrcogeo> Good question, wondering where a good "cheat card" for Kubuntu could be found...
[00:46] <EldonG> Exactly what I need.  A cheat card...  :)
[00:46] <mrcogeo> Welcome to the club. ;-)
[00:46] <EldonG> lol
[00:47] <EldonG> gotta be one somewhere...
[00:49] <James147> mrcogeo: EldonG: kubuntu is far to complex for any cheatcard :)
[00:50] <James147> ^^ if there is a spicific area you want to know more about there might be somehting ^^
[00:51] <mrcogeo> Ok, how about a noob crowbar for migrating from GNU/Linux Ubuntu(tm)? :shrug:
[00:52] <ronnoc>  for KDE there's userbase and KDE Forums, for Ubuntu there's tons of stuff out there :p
[00:53] <ronnoc> and for a cheat card there's...Google lol
[00:53] <mrcogeo> True, my GoogleFu needs a good work out.
[00:53] <m477> how can i check if i have acceleration hardware on
[00:53] <m477> ?
[00:54] <EldonG> http://www.kubuntuguide.info/index.php/Kubuntuguide:Books/Kubuntuguide_Lucid_3-29-2011 looks good
[00:54] <mrcogeo> Does indeed...we shall see...
[00:54] <mrcogeo> Ty
[00:55] <ronnoc> m477: System Settings > Desktop Effects. If they're on, the checkbox is checked
[00:55] <EldonG> Ya betcha.
[00:56] <m477> ronnoc: i dont have KDE also i have got older version, can i check it in other way?
[00:57] <m477> but i run compiz
[00:57] <ronnoc> m477: sorry I don't run Compiz since KDE has it's own desktop efects
[00:58] <m477> oh
[00:58] <James147> m477: glxinfo | grep rendering    will tell you if direct rendering is enabled
[00:59] <m477> James147: thanks :)
[00:59] <matias> Hola
[01:02] <EldonG> 7 min to fully downloaded Lucid...yay.
[01:02] <ronnoc> EldonG: heh
[01:02] <new2net> EldonG: lupu?
[01:02] <m477> i run .mkv p1080 and it lags very much, i have newest graphic drivers and gf 8600, why is it caused?
[01:04] <sithlord48> what player? try another one if you can ..
[01:04] <EldonG> Lupu...hmmm?  Lucid Lynx...
[01:04] <shad_> m477: are you using vdpau?
[01:04] <sithlord48> vlc is decent but i've  found out  you might have to fiddle w/ teh overlay settings
[01:04] <m477> shad_: what is it?
[01:05] <m477> vlc / mplayer
[01:05] <shad_> try with smplayer
[01:06] <shad_> vdpau is a library that allows you to use gpu acceleration in video decoding, but it works with proprietary nvidia drivers
[01:09] <m477> smplayer?
[01:09] <shad_> smplayer is a mplayer frontend
[01:10] <m477> shad_: i have installed NVIDIA  binary xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library
[01:10] <m477> what is frontend?
[01:14] <moetunes> m477:  mplayer is a terminal application - smplayer gives you a window with buttons to control mplayer
[01:14] <m477> so i use GNOME mplayer
[01:15] <moetunes> in kde?
[01:15] <m477> no i have gnome
[01:15] <moetunes> k
[01:15] <m477> mkv 720p works good
[01:15] <m477> 1080p does mega lags
[01:15] <m477> cpu 100% usage
[01:15] <LINKSWORD2> OK, this is the weirdest problem that I've run into... My computer's screen randomly flashes and distorts the Kubuntu screen, then suddenly asks me to provide login info.
[01:19] <LINKSWORD2> The entire screen becomes a command-line interface, and despite the fact that I provide the correct login info, it tells me the information is incorrect. I'm running 10.04 LTS on an old Compaq, and so far my only fix is to power off and reboot.
[01:23] <EldonG> woohoo...TONS of upgrades...
[01:27] <LINKSWORD2> Gah! I keep getting disconnected.
[01:27] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, could somebody please help me before I get disconnected again?
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> What you need?
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> Well, there he goes.
[01:33] <new2net> heh... joking maybe?
[01:37] <LINKSWORD2> This is gettin ridiculous.... Freaking disconnect.
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: What's the issue?
[01:39] <LINKSWORD2> OK, this is the weirdest problem that I've run into... My computer's screen randomly flashes and distorts the Kubuntu screen, then suddenly asks me to provide login info.
[01:39] <LINKSWORD2> The entire screen becomes a command-line interface, and despite the fact that I provide the correct login info, it tells me the information is incorrect. I'm running 10.04 LTS on an old Compaq, and so far my only fix is to power off and reboot.
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> You running desktop effects?
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: ^^
[01:40] <LINKSWORD2> No, I'm only running basic Kubuntu.
[01:41] <LINKSWORD2> No, I'm only running basic Kubuntum DarkwingDuck
[01:41] <LINKSWORD2> *kubuntu
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: When it happens again... go to terminal and type dmesg > dmesg.txt then copy the output of that into a pastebin (paste.kde.org) and paste that in the channel with the question.
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: that will give us a better understanding of what is going on.
[01:45] <LINKSWORD2> Hold up...
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: until I see that I really don't know what is going on issues wise.
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: It sounds like either X is ending session for some reason
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> Or you are having hdw failure
[01:46] <LINKSWORD2> Will it log the problem if the whole thing has crashed and only brings up a command line interface?
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, dmesg logs from poweron
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> *power on
[01:47] <LINKSWORD2> OK.
[01:47] <LINKSWORD2> So it's dmesg > dmesg.txt ?
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: Sorry I can't do more right now
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Yes,
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> That will output dmesg into dmesg.txt
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Then you can copy that to a pastebin
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> and share that link so we can see.
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> Does it happen often?
[01:48] <LINKSWORD2> I feel inferior. I'm a KDE n00b
[01:48] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, it does.
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: We were all there at one point. :)
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> Everyone starts at a n00b level then, learns.
[01:49] <LINKSWORD2> I could say that Linus Torvald probably was not a n00b.
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> He had to learn unix at one point so, yeah he was. :)
[01:49] <LINKSWORD2> ... Ouch. lol
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> :D It's a matter of perspective that's all.
[01:50] <LINKSWORD2> At least we're not having to learn the old Unix architecture.
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> I did. :/
[01:50] <LINKSWORD2> :o
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> That's where I started. That and DOS 2
[01:51] <LINKSWORD2> ... I want a Mac. lol
[01:51] <LINKSWORD2> I'm a long-time Windows user, but I got hooked on Macs in college.
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, i did the mac thing a while.
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> But, I've settled with Linux
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> Best of all worlds
[01:52] <LINKSWORD2> I had used a little Linux before, but not enough.
[01:52]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[01:52] <LINKSWORD2> It's funny that Macs use a basically proprietary version of Linux.
[01:53] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[01:53] <ubuntu> macs.. lol
[01:53] <LINKSWORD2> ~.?
[01:53] <ubuntu> its like linux for stupid people
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Macs make really great hdw
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> ubuntu: be nice.
[01:53] <ubuntu> hdw?
[01:53] <ubuntu> hardware?
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Hardware
[01:54] <ubuntu> not really
[01:54] <ubuntu> its worse and more expensive
[01:54] <ubuntu> at my work, the majority of people use macs
[01:54] <Thinkerer68> Macs?
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> How many macs have you owned?
[01:54] <ubuntu> and in the past couple months, 4 macs have dropped dead
[01:54] <ubuntu> 0 pcs
[01:54] <LINKSWORD2> At least my IRC interface isn't randomly disconnecting now...
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: that's good.
[01:54] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks
[01:54] <Thinkerer68> #kubuntu-offtopic is pretty quiet right now  :-\
[01:54] <ubuntu> the macs just drop dead and require mac store help
[01:55]  * LINKSWORD2 starts up the Compaq and loads Kubuntu.
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> I'll stick to my thinkpads though.
[01:55] <ubuntu> so basically.. more expensive, locked into a system, fail alot
[01:55] <Thinkerer68> #kubuntu-offtopic is pretty quiet right now  :-\
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> IBM/Lenovo makes some solid systems
[01:55] <ubuntu> but hey, u get that "Mac" vibe
[01:55] <ubuntu> and can go to starbucks
[01:55] <ubuntu> and pretend ur awesome
[01:55] <Thinkerer68> #kubuntu-offtopic is pretty quiet right now  :-\
[01:56] <LINKSWORD2> Thinkerer68: WTF?
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> Thinkerer68: is there a reason you are repeating yourself?
[01:56] <James147> !ot
[01:56] <James147> ^^ hes hinting at that :)
[01:56] <ubuntu> i didnt join this channel on purpose, it auto joined as i loaded up the kubuntu cd to install... hehe
[01:56] <Thinkerer68> yeah, but I was trying to be more subtle  :P
[01:56] <ubuntu> i just found myself in here
[01:57] <ubuntu> and chimed in on macs
[01:58] <LINKSWORD2> Have any of you guys had problems with Kubuntu regarding web browsers?
[01:58] <m477> it is good idea to instal drivers form nvidia.com? if i have in repo juz 185 ver?
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: Meaning?
[01:58] <ubuntu> problems such as?
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> Rekonq is a little funny at times. I use Google Chrome
[01:58] <ubuntu> id stick with firefox
[01:59] <LINKSWORD2> When I got Kubuntu running and connected to the internet, I installed Firefox and Google Chrome.
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> firefix chews more RAM
[01:59] <ubuntu> i always go back to ff after trying different
[01:59] <ubuntu> true DarkwingDuck
[01:59] <LINKSWORD2> I wonder if I should kill off Firefox, in that case.
[01:59] <ubuntu> especially doing facebook webdevelopment.. its insane, like 1gb used up with 4 tabs open
[01:59] <ubuntu> firebug open
[02:00] <ubuntu> but no browser can beat its webdev tools
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> And with my kubuntu devel work online I normally have around 15 tabs open
[02:00] <ubuntu> so the ram leak is worth it
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> Meh...
[02:00] <LINKSWORD2> Considering that my machine barely has 1GB of RAM, I don't have too much room to talk.
[02:00] <ubuntu> i have 8gb of ram on both computers
[02:00] <ubuntu> so i guess i should mention that
[02:00] <ubuntu> lol
[02:00] <ubuntu> its not a big deal
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: Yeah, I dont' have to worry, I have enough to go around too
[02:00] <LINKSWORD2> It's a POS old Compaq.
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> I've been there.
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> It was a miricle I got this one.
[02:01] <LINKSWORD2> Whatchya got?
[02:01] <ubuntu> i dont think its the browsers leaking memory tbh
[02:01] <ubuntu> i think its teh webpages
[02:01] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[02:01] <ubuntu> doing crazy ajax requests and stuff
[02:01] <ubuntu> looping out of control
[02:01] <ubuntu> facebook especially
[02:01] <FloodBotK1> ubuntu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:02] <LINKSWORD2> Haha!
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: ThinkPad W700
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> It's abeast but, awesome for a dev laptop
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> *a beast
[02:03] <LINKSWORD2> If I were to choose, I think I would use ASUS for their laptops.
[02:03] <DarkwingDuck> I'll never leave ThinkPad
[02:04] <LINKSWORD2> As a system hardware tech, I've worked on nearly everything from the ground up.
[02:04]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[02:04] <LINKSWORD2> I've actually told a guy to put a shotgun to an HP because it was so badly messed up.
[02:04] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> Any aspiring how to writers in here?
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> For Kubuntu?
[02:06] <LINKSWORD2> And unfortunately, HP owns a dozen of the smaller companies now, like Compaq, Gateway, E-Machine and although I'm not sure, I'm thinking they also own Toshiba.
[02:07] <Guest96247> guys how can i control my screen brightness i'm on a sony-vaio vpc
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> Guest96247: Does the function on screen buttons work?
[02:08] <DarkwingDuck> s/screen/keyboard
[02:08] <Guest96247> nope :(
[02:09] <DarkwingDuck> Guest96247: Gimme a sec
[02:09] <Guest96247> sure :)
[02:12] <LINKSWORD2> Guest96247: I've worked on a couple of Vaio's before. They've got an odd way of going about things sometimes. I assume that you're using the Fn key and F5/F6, correct?
[02:12] <LINKSWORD2> .... Disconnected again. Blast this!
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> Guest96247: The battery applet in teh sys trey. Right Click > Power Save Settings > Power Profiles to set manually.
[02:12] <Guest96247> ok
[02:12] <Guest96247>  lemme try
[02:13] <LINKSWORD2> .... Duh. I forgot about that.
[02:13] <Guest96247> LINKSWORD yes thats right
[02:13] <LINKSWORD2> Ok
[02:13] <DarkwingDuck> Guest96247: It's an "F" series with propriatary drivers?
[02:14] <LINKSWORD2> Well, give DarkwingDuck's suggestion a try.
[02:15] <LINKSWORD2> If it does use proprietary drivers, it'll be a royal pain to deal with. Contact Sony. (And be prepared for a long wait on the phone.)
[02:15] <DarkwingDuck> Nope.
[02:15] <DarkwingDuck> If he does then here is the work around. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty#LCD
[02:16] <LINKSWORD2> ... Oh. lol
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> sony_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty#LCD  <-- If the Vaio is an "F" series this should work.
[02:19] <sony_> nope it doesn't work just tried it and it's not an f series it's a vpc-cw15 fn
[02:19] <valorie> !alis
[02:20] <EldonG> Ok...now I have MountISO...but how do I use it?  :p
[02:24] <EldonG> hello?
[02:24] <sony_> brb
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> EldonG: You are trying to figure out how to use MountISO?
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> EldonG: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountIso
[02:25] <multipass> hey, whats the best way to get a "quick launch"
[02:25] <EldonG> yes
[02:26] <EldonG> Thanks!  :0
[02:26] <EldonG> :)
[02:26] <LINKSWORD2> I hate getting disconnected like this....
[02:31] <multipass> does 11.04 automatically install my nvidia driver?
[02:32] <Thinkerer68> WTF?!? I have a file on my hard disk with a modification date of 2037-12-31  O_o
[02:33] <multipass> are u also looking for john connor?
[02:33] <sony_> haha rofl
[02:36] <DarkwingDuck> multipass: No, you need to use the additional drivers from KMenu > Applications > System > Additional Drivers
[02:37] <multipass> this driver is activated but not currently in use... wait what?
[02:38] <multipass> it has the green light
[02:42] <EldonG> Gah...I have an ISO mounted...how can I now see it?  Sorry...3 days into Linux.  :p
[02:42] <w0lfie> hey guys and girls. i'm hitting the bug documented at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/681535. the report says the bug is fixed but there are a number of people, including myself, who don't see any difference and still can't install grub
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> w0lfie: Comment on the bug stating that it didn't fix.
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> w0lfie: the bug squad will catch it.
[02:47] <EldonG> nvm...found it...
[02:52] <Magnusson> has anyone ever made a kde icon theme? or know any resources to point me in a direction to learn how?
[02:54] <w0lfie> DarkwingDuck: cool, will do
[03:13] <new2net> I finally got that sound issue fixed up
[03:18] <new2net> when i use apt-get install <foo>, how do I uninstall <foo> now?
[03:32] <ooki2day> hi
[03:33] <ooki2day> how I can disable fullscreen? all apps running in fullscreen
[03:35] <vbgunz> I'm a bit burnt. I added several lcd weather station plasma widgets to my panel and I can't remove them... I think I added 4 or 5 of them and they're cascaded in the corner... how in the world do I remove them?
[03:36] <ooki2day> unlock widgets
[03:36] <ooki2day> do this, and remove
[03:37] <vbgunz> sorry. yeah, I unlocked them but I can neither grab them to move them or right click for a menu to remove them.... they're like a bad case of the herpes right now
[03:37] <ooki2day> vbgunz: right-click on desktop, unlock widgets
[03:48] <vbgunz> fml. I can't believe this. I think I have 5 lcd weather station widgets and I can't do a damn thing about them short of just restarting my panel from scratch.
[03:57] <vbgunz> found and destroyed the offending widget through ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc here. had to stop plasma but it worked.
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> vbgunz: right click on desktop and click "Unlock Widgets"
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> NM
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry, Forgot to hit enter before
[04:16] <erik333> How do i get CDs to mount to /mnt/cdrom as well as /mnt/<CDLABEL>? i.e. some daemon type thing seems to do this these days, but i don't know where the config file might be
[04:17] <erik333>  /mnt/<CDLABEL> is a bit tedious for wine :P
[04:18] <erik333> ups /media/<cdlabel> not /mnt/<cdlabel>
[04:55] <multipass> hey, how come kde can alt tab out of fullscreen opengl apps, and gnome cant?
[05:15] <Usipeus> Guys, I can't change the brightness...I have 10.10
[05:15] <Usipeus> not with the power management thing, and I also tried /proc/acpi/video/GFX0 and the brightness files all say <not supported>
[05:15] <Usipeus> help? :D
[05:17] <Usipeus> and my computer is one of these http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668585.php
[05:20] <valorie> mine has screen brightness keys up on the f row
[05:20] <valorie> you might check there
[05:20] <valorie> f7 and f8 here
[05:21] <Usipeus> valorie: for mine, it's fn + uparrow, downarrow and they don't work
[05:22] <multipass> hmm, i cant get my keyboard special buttons to work for music players, play, pause, etc
[05:23] <multipass> it works fine in gnome
[05:23] <multipass> do i need to do anything special here?
[05:29] <Usipeus> well, brightness problem temporarily fixed by using a monitor...
[05:29] <Usipeus> thanks for your help guys
[05:30] <valorie> multipass: I've not done anything special in kubuntu
[05:30] <valorie> and they all Just Work
[05:31] <valorie> fn + up and down don't work here
[05:31] <valorie> although the KDE shortcuts can probably be set
[05:32] <valorie> btw, I'm a woman, not a guy
[05:33] <Graf_Westerholt> *g*
[05:33] <valorie> we have all kinds here on the Internet
[05:33] <valorie> :-)
[05:42] <dan__> Valorie:  was it you that was having sync problems with yer android?
[05:43] <valorie> I didn't try to sync
[05:43] <valorie> I was trying to transfer some songs to it from Amarok
[05:43] <Dan_L> and you couldn't get it to find the drive?
[05:44] <valorie> I should try again -- new Kubuntu, new KDE, and new Amarok versions
[05:44] <Dan_L> I had weird amarok/android problems today
[05:44] <valorie> no, it started, but never finished
[05:44] <valorie> stopped for no reason I could see
[05:44] <valorie> so I'll start somewhere else -- could be a song title the 'droid doesn't like, or something
[05:45] <Dan_L> ut oh.
[05:45] <Dan_L> Anybody else getting an error message when they try to check for updates from kpackageit?
[05:45] <valorie> that's a good idea -- thanks for reminding me
[05:45] <Dan_L> E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main amd64 Packages
[05:45] <Dan_L> 404 Not Found
[05:45] <Dan_L> that sounds like a 'server down' kinda problem
[05:45] <valorie> launchpad is just timing out
[05:45] <valorie> off for lunch, perhaps
[05:46] <valorie> I usually use apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:46] <valorie> quicker
[05:48] <Dan_L> Just from the terminal?
[05:50] <Dan_L> I'm just having bad computer luck today
[05:50] <Dan_L> I'm cheating on firefox4 with opera.  I have no idea why.
[05:52] <valorie> yes, from the terminal
[05:52] <valorie> with sudo, of course
[05:52] <valorie> I used to love opera
[05:52] <valorie> then it seemed to stop improving
[05:52] <valorie> I'm pretty sure that using another browser isn't considered cheating
[05:52] <valorie> at least in a court of law
[05:53] <valorie> :-)
[05:53] <Dan_L> FFX3 started to work my nerves.  So I switched to opera.  and then ffx4 came out and I'm splitting time.
[05:53] <Dan_L> And here's the weird thing:
[05:53] <Dan_L> Operamo = fennec * 15
[05:53] <Dan_L> Seriously.
[05:54] <Dan_L> Opera Mobile kicks the crap out of firefox mobile.
[05:54] <Dan_L> And since roughly 30% of my web browsing takes place on my phone and I'm not going to spend the time syncing two web browsers at home......
[06:07] <valorie> piffle, the same thing is happening, with the same error message: Malformed URL
[06:09] <Graf_Westerholt> [06:45:26] <Dan_L> Anybody else getting an error message when they try to check for updates from kpackageit?  ⇐  works fine here.
[06:09] <preecher> reinstalling kubuntu for the 8th time in the last 5 days- ive tryd to like unity and it just doesnt cut my rug & believe it or not kubuntu seems to be noticeable faster on my end
[06:10] <Dan_L> Preecher,  welcome to the darkside:0
[06:10] <preecher> Dan_L thx
[06:10] <Dan_L> You're never going back, so don't worry:)
[06:10] <Dan_L> Graf_Westerhol:  natty, right?
[06:11] <preecher> yea
[06:13] <valorie> not the dark side!
[06:13] <valorie> BLUE side
[06:14] <valorie> woooo, progress this time
[06:14] <Thrik> hey kubunters
[06:15] <preecher> Thrik hey
[06:20] <Dan_L> blue side is right.
[06:20] <Dan_L> I messed with ubuntu in the vbox agian today.
[06:20] <Dan_L> colors are baaaaaaad
[06:20] <preecher> s in good bad or just bad
[06:22] <Graf_Westerholt> Dan_L: 11.04. Is that Natty?
[06:22] <Dan_L> yup
[06:22] <Dan_L> So something is weird.  Valorie is getting it, I'm getting it.    The US.  But I wish I were in sweden:)
[06:25] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[06:25] <Graf_Westerholt> [07:23:15] [Whois] Dan_L is online via lindbohm.freenode.net (Stockholm, Sweden).
[06:27] <Dan_L> Well that's weird.  I'm in Chicago.
[06:27] <Dan_L> Maybe we've been annexed.
[06:30] <valorie> I live south of Seattle, Washington state, USA
[06:30] <Graf_Westerholt> I was just gust that. ;)
[06:30] <Graf_Westerholt> *guess
[06:31] <pjpj_> hello, does anyone here know if you can make private browsing the default in rekonq?
[06:32] <DarkriftX> Graf_Westerholt: the server he is on is lindbohm.freenode.net, that is not his ISP
[06:32] <Dan_L> In other words, it rains in Valorie land quite a bit.
[06:33] <valorie> tonight, for SURE
[06:33] <valorie> it was sunny today, though
[06:33] <Dan_L> We're getting hit over here right now
[06:34] <Dan_L> It's like 45 degrees
[06:48] <c2tarun> whenever I play videos on my laptop after sometimes video starts freezing for few seconds and then resume, I tried many players but its freezing in all of them.
[06:50] <valorie> c2tarun: have you thought of running them from the console, and watching the output when the freeze happens?
[07:10] <S4L> Hello, using Plasma Netbook on a netbook I just bought -- having a hell of a lot of trouble figuring out how to put an application icon on the Search and Launch page... specifically, I want to put something up next to System Settings and Dolphin
[07:10] <S4L> but, it's not letting me do a simple drag
[07:14] <valorie> S4L: you might have the widgets locked
[07:14] <valorie> once you unlock them
[07:15] <valorie> you should be able to right-click and drag
[07:15] <valorie> or slow click and drag, I can't recall
[07:16] <S4L> I can't seem to find any way to unlock them, or even know if they're locked or not. This is sooo much different from the good old desktop KDE that I don't even know what I'm doing :-(
[07:17] <valorie> do you see the curled icon, that looks like a cashew?
[07:17] <valorie> if not, they are locked
[07:18] <valorie> and you should be able to right-click on any empty area, including the desktop
[07:18] <valorie> and unlock widgets
[07:18] <LINKSWORD2> Hello again DarkwingDuck. I hope you'll allow me to ask your help again.
[07:19] <S4L> valorie: All I've got on right click is run command, add widgets, lock screen, leave
[07:19] <S4L> working on a picture to show what I'm trying to do....
[07:20] <valorie> ok
[07:20] <LINKSWORD2> GIMP FTW
[07:20] <valorie> I'm not much of an expert, but I've found KDE4 to be very easy to use
[07:20] <LINKSWORD2> I agree very much, valorie
[07:21] <LINKSWORD2> On the other hand, I have run into a particularly crazy issue...
[07:22] <S4L> valorie: http://debtsucksblog.com/randomhostedimages/snapshot1.png
[07:23] <S4L> so, I've typed in "pyroom" which gives me that "Run pyroom" button. All I want to do is to put the derned thing up next to Dolphin so that it's always there
[07:24] <tbp> hello, kubuntu doesn't seem to recognize my atheros wireless from my acer 5050-3205 notebook, any suggetstions?
[07:24] <valorie> well, I'll tell you waht works for me -- just drag the damn thing to where you want it
[07:24] <valorie> and when it asks, say "put icon here" or whatever it is
[07:24] <LINKSWORD2> I need to know how to find the dmesg file's location.
[07:25] <valorie> you have to get the app running first
[07:25] <gennro> valorie
[07:25] <gennro> : hi
[07:25] <valorie> oh, you have the netbook version
[07:25] <S4L> thats the problem, it asks no such thing, I drag it up there, it makes room like it wants to put it up there, but then it disappears when I release
[07:25] <valorie> I've not worked much with that
[07:26] <valorie> ugh
[07:26] <S4L> ugh indeed
[07:26] <jxjl> Is there any way, how to add classical MenuBar to rekonq? When I am using global menu I can see it, but in classic kde there is only chrome like menu
[07:26] <valorie> when you right-click in there, what sort of options do you have?
[07:26] <valorie> in rekonq I think it's the wrench icon which is settings
[07:27] <valorie> sec
[07:27] <tbp> do you guys know?
[07:27] <S4L> on right click -- run command, add widgets, lock screen, leave
[07:27] <LINKSWORD2> GAH!!! This is killing me!
[07:28] <S4L> as is this :-D something like pyroom is the main reason I got a netbook, so I can get some writing done wherever
[07:30] <S4L> I learned something -- any other, preinstalled app (or even Chrome) that shows up in the navigation without searching, I can drag up there... it's just things I search for that I can't
[07:31] <Rasperin> Hey guys, I've installed kubuntu 11.04 on two computers so far and the installer keeps hanging at 74%
[07:31] <valorie> s4l, I would ask on the forum -- either kubuntuforum, or kde forum, depending on what you prefer
[07:31] <Rasperin> has anyone run into this issue? (32bit PAE)
[07:31] <S4L> valorie: thanks anyway for your help, but holy crap I finally got it
[07:31] <valorie> do tell!
[07:32] <S4L> went in to the office nav, where all the Libre stuff is, and Pyroom was actually in there -- wasn't expecting it to magically know it was an officey type app, neeever thought to look
[07:33] <S4L> what a silly goose
[07:33] <valorie> great!
[07:33] <valorie> yes, the menus are pretty good
[07:33] <S4L> I've spent about 2 hours trying to figure this out
[07:33] <valorie> much better at updating than they used to be
[07:34] <Rasperin> :(
[07:36] <LINKSWORD2> !help
[07:36] <LINKSWORD2> I need to find out how to locate the dmesg.txt file.
[07:36] <valorie> !dmsg
[07:36] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: welcome back
[07:37] <valorie> ignorant bot
[07:37] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks, DarkwingDuck
[07:37] <valorie> we should teach it about dmsg
[07:37] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[07:37] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: If you did the command I told you to it should be in your home/$USER folder
[07:37] <LINKSWORD2> All righty, let me log on and see if I can find it.
[07:37] <Graf_Westerholt> !dmesg
[07:38] <valorie> oops
[07:38] <valorie> my bad spelling
[07:38] <LINKSWORD2> Owned. lol
[07:38] <LINKSWORD2> Do you mind chatting one-on-one, DarkwingDuck?
[07:38] <valorie> sorry ubbottu
[07:38] <DarkwingDuck> hey valorie
[07:38] <valorie> hey DarkwingDuck
[07:38] <valorie> I'm still catching up with streams
[07:38] <valorie> that I missed
[07:39] <DarkwingDuck> I'm condensing and trying to build ToDos
[07:39] <tbp> no wire? :/
[07:39] <tbp> no wireless
[07:39] <tbp> :/
[07:40] <Rasperin> One other question, have any of you been able to get an EVGA UV+ device for usb third monitor support to work? (Another name would be Display Link).
[07:43] <valorie> tbp, what do you mean?
[07:43]  * valorie 's wireless works great
[07:43] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[07:44] <tbp> valorie: i can't make my wireless work
[07:44] <tbp> i wanteed to try wicd to see if it works
[07:44] <tbp> but it doesn't download by apt-get
[07:45] <Rasperin> tbp does ifconfig see the device?
[07:45] <valorie> well, my advice: download it before you get rid of networkmanager
[07:45]  * valorie did it the opposite way one time
[07:45] <valorie> duh!
[07:45] <LINKSWORD2> LOL
[07:46] <Rasperin> jumping in a bit late I know, but tbp what are you trying to do and what do you know?
[07:46] <tbp> Rasperin: i don't know if the network manager recognizes the wireless atheros card
[07:46] <LINKSWORD2> And now, the ultimate failure. GIMP isn't installing.
[07:46] <tbp> i wanted to install wicd
[07:46] <tbp> to see if makes the wireless card work
[07:48] <valorie> !wireless | tbp
[07:48] <valorie> those can be pretty useful
[07:49] <Rasperin> tbp does ifconfig see wlan0?
[07:50] <Rasperin> I know it's a stupid question, but it's the first step, followed by (if yes) right clicking on the desktop, add widget, network manager (search for network) and that will get you the default UI (which honestly is pretty good)
[07:51] <valorie> yes indeed
[07:51] <valorie> the widget rules
[07:51] <valorie> AND it doesn't work well if wicd is installed
[07:51] <valorie> so it's worthwhile to get it working if possible
[07:51] <valorie> and it's nearly always possible
[07:52] <gennro> very
[07:57] <Rasperin> AH
[07:57] <Rasperin> !!!
[07:57] <valorie> ?
[07:57] <Rasperin> LiveCD detected my multimonitor display, I then installed it and now it doesn't see my second monitor :(
[07:58] <gennro> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[07:59] <Rasperin> oh wait, it installed nvida and nvidia apparently doesn't auto detect monitors (ghey)
[08:08]  * LINKSWORD2 Sigh. Now all I've gotta do is rip a collection of 70-odd CD's onto Kubuntu.
[08:09] <Rasperin> uh, why is there no xorg.conf in /etc/X11?
[08:16] <guido> Hi
[08:17] <Guest49628> I need some help, please.
[08:17] <valorie> !ask | Guest49628
[08:18] <Guest49628> Thanks :-). Im trying to install sis mirage 3 drivers
[08:19] <Guest49628> Is there any Xorg.conf file to edit?
[08:19] <valorie> !x
[08:19] <valorie> hmmm
[08:19] <valorie> !x.org
[08:20] <valorie> eh
[08:20] <valorie> well, afaik, there is no x.org/conf file by default
[08:20] <Guest49628> I got a driver working on Ubuntu 10.10
[08:20] <valorie> however, if you create one, it will be heeded
[08:20] <valorie> best way to install drivers is using jockey-kde
[08:21] <valorie> !jockey
[08:21] <valorie> piffle
[08:21] <valorie> !drivers
[08:21] <valorie> ubottu, what DO you know?
[08:21] <valorie> !driver
[08:21] <valorie> grrrr
[08:21] <Guest49628> So, I will be able to "load" the *.so file?
[08:22] <valorie> I suggest following the x/conf URL above
[08:22] <valorie> I know little beyond what I've told you
[08:23] <Guest49628> I were able to install drivers and modify hardware settings on Gnome Ubuntu
[08:27] <valorie> right
[08:27] <valorie> we both use jockey
[08:27] <valorie> jockey-kde is the command for us
[08:27] <Guest49628> Yes i tried but it doesn't work.
[08:28] <valorie> by "doesn't work", what do you mean?
[08:28] <Guest49628> The thing is that SiS mirage3 is really hard to get to work
[08:28] <Guest49628> It took me a week to make it work on Gnome
[08:28] <Guest49628> And i came to KDE because there is a driver wich supports 3d acceleration
[08:35] <Guest49628> :?
[08:36] <gennro> ?
[08:39] <Guest49628> Where is Xorg.conf file located on kubuntu'
[08:40] <gennro> ?
[08:41] <Graf_Westerholt> !xorg.conf
[08:42] <Guest49628> .-.
[08:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest49628 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:44] <Guest49628> It doesn't exist.
[08:45] <gennro> it sure doesn't
[08:45] <Guest49628> ?
[08:46] <Guest49628> Oh im really sorry.
[08:47] <Guest49628> I didn't knew this is a 11.04 support channel, sorry for bothering.
[08:51] <valorie> Guest49628: we help everyone we can
[08:52] <valorie> it is not exclusively for any particular version
[08:52] <Guest49628> Well, im really desperate.
[08:52] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest49628, how did you install the driver?
[08:52] <Guest49628> You mean on Gnome?
[08:53] <Guest49628> Well, just copying the sis driver to a folder and then modifying xorg.conf manually
[08:53] <Graf_Westerholt> Konsole or KDE?
[08:54] <Graf_Westerholt> And KDE is not working?
[08:54] <Graf_Westerholt> But Gnome do?
[08:54] <Guest49628> At KDE I can't find xorg.conf
[08:54] <Graf_Westerholt> But you wrote there is no xorg.conf
[08:55] <Graf_Westerholt> But you modified xorg.conf
[08:55] <Guest49628> Well, i can do "sudo xedit /etx/X11/Xorg.conf" and the file is empty
[08:55] <Graf_Westerholt> But you modified xorg.conf?
[08:55] <Guest49628> On Ubuntu 10.10 not Kubuntu
[08:55] <Graf_Westerholt> That is the same.
[08:55] <Guest49628> I'm suspecting that the file might be hidden on this version
[08:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Ubuntu is with Gnome, Kubuntu with KDE.
[08:56] <Guest49628> Right
[08:56] <Graf_Westerholt> You can change Gnome and KDE on your system.
[08:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Or XFE or whatever.
[08:56] <Guest49628> You mean, by using the same procedure
[08:56] <Guest49628> ?
[08:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Same system.
[08:56] <Graf_Westerholt> It is the same. :)
[08:57] <Guest49628> I got them on separate partitions :/
[08:57] <valorie> I told you earlier, Guest49628, that the file doesn't exist by default
[08:57] <valorie> but that you can create it
[08:57] <valorie> so just copy what you had working
[08:57] <Graf_Westerholt> Guest49628, you do not have to.
[08:57] <Guest49628> Oh i see! LEt me test it :)
[08:58] <Graf_Westerholt> Install both Gnome and Kubuntu on one system and you can swith between them.
[09:00] <Guest49628> The thing is. That SiS is not compatible with linux. I mean this laptop could run 3d games and HD movies
[09:00] <Guest49628> Gnome has no drivers, my only hope is KDE. If i get 3d to work here Gnome will die :-P
[09:01] <Graf_Westerholt> The driver is for x. Both Gnome and KDE use x. Or is that wrong?
[09:04] <acid> it's not
[09:04] <Guest49628> These drivers are not made by the vendor.
[09:05] <Guest49628> And it seems that the only 3d driver doesn't work on Gnome
[09:09] <Guest49628> Wait a minute
[09:09] <Guest49628> Im really confused now. There is a file xorg.conf.d and looks quite like xorg.conf in gnome
[09:25] <Guest99767> Thanks all for helping.
[09:26] <Guest99767> Now I realise that Linux user are same as Windows
[09:30] <valorie> well, many of use used to be or are win users
[09:30] <valorie> in fact, kde runs on windows
[09:30] <valorie> kubuntu doesn't, of course
[09:50] <mole_> 11.04 has ruined my life
[09:50] <valorie> what happened, mole?
[09:51]  * valorie has been very happy with 11.04
[09:51] <valorie> except that my headphone jack isn't working
[09:51]  * Graf_Westerholt agrees with valorie. :)
[09:51] <Peace-> mole_: ?
[09:51] <Graf_Westerholt> Hey, Peace-!
[09:51] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: hey
[09:52] <mole_> i have it installed in 4 boxes
[09:53] <mole_> and it wrecked all of them
[09:53] <mole_> if i'm not kill -9 kded4 it's full out hardlocking sysreq+b
[09:53] <mole_> the generic kernel tanks 2/4 instantly
[09:54] <mole_> kwin tanking takes down my network cause of network manager
[09:54] <mole_> shit's fucked up
[09:54] <jussi> !wtf | mole_
[09:55] <Peace-> mole_: could you test a trick ?
[09:55] <mole_> definitely
[09:55] <Peace-> mole_: systemsettings  notification
[09:55] <mole_> i aint bitchin fo nuttin
[09:56] <jussi> mole_: once again, please keep the language polite.
[09:56] <Peace-> disable them all
[09:56] <mole_> done on my desktop
[09:57] <mole_> i will do all of them when i hit them up
[09:57] <mole_> it's embarassing working on a project and your comp bricks cause of kubuntu
[09:58] <Peace-> mole_: well kded4 i guess is an issue of kde
[09:58] <Peace-> not of canonical kernel
[09:58] <mole_> whatever
[09:58] <mole_> i'm rattled it sucks so much still
[09:59] <valorie> mole, do the computers run with the liveCD/USB?
[09:59] <mole_> nope
[09:59] <multipass> anyone know the packages i need to get iphone4 regcognized so i can access the root folders?
[09:59] <mole_> i just rooted my atrix using kubuntu
[09:59] <mole_> and wrote my first android app still
[09:59] <mole_> throw your iphone away
[10:00] <multipass> id rather have an android
[10:00] <multipass> but thats beyond the point
[10:00] <mole_> android 2.2.1 cat /etc/lsb-release = ubuntu 9.04
[10:00] <multipass> lol
[10:00] <mole_> pretty dope
[10:00] <multipass> ubuntu 11.04 had iphone4 finally working
[10:00] <mole_> i just wish kubuntu 11.04 didn't suck hard
[10:00] <valorie> mole_: you may as well suggest that you throw away 4 computers
[10:00] <multipass> but now i see kubuntu 11.04 dosnt
[10:01] <valorie> we're here to help everyone
[10:01] <valorie> again,
[10:01] <valorie> mole, do the computers run with the liveCD/USB?
[10:01] <mole_> can't the rich dood who owns it who went to space pay some money and fix this piece of junk
[10:01] <mole_> ?
[10:01] <valorie> excuse me?
[10:02] <valorie> he provides these resources to us for free
[10:02] <valorie> if you want his support, that's available for a fee
[10:02] <valorie> don't insult us, your fellow users
[10:02] <mole_> call u tell i'm choke that dist-upgrade that nags you ever 20 mins ruins your life?
[10:02] <Graf_Westerholt> mole_, feel free to use MS Windows or Mac OS.
[10:02] <mole_> can't
[10:04] <mole_> i don't mean to be dissin' i'm just bringing awareness to the state of affairs
[10:04] <mole_> in the 12 years of running kde, this is the worst
[10:04] <valorie> mole, do the computers run with the liveCD/USB?
[10:04] <mole_> never
[10:05] <mole_> well one
[10:05] <valorie> then why did you install the distro?
[10:05] <mole_> i have a atom 510 runing xbmc live cd
[10:05] <mole_> that's based on ubutu
[10:05] <valorie> that's the purpose of it, to check it out
[10:05] <mole_> i've been running it since forware
[10:05] <mole_> forever
[10:05] <valorie> ok
[10:05] <mole_> i'm just saying it's getting worse and worse
[10:05] <multipass> any idea if ifuse would help me get access to my iphones root folder?
[10:05] <valorie> so is there an old liveCD which will work for you?
[10:06] <valorie> !ifuse
[10:06] <mole_> i'm into testing current
[10:06] <mole_> especially since computer nags constantly to upgrade
[10:06] <mole_> so i did
[10:06] <valorie> nag, LOL
[10:06] <mole_> 1/4 computers sitll operates "okay"
[10:06] <Graf_Westerholt> !iphone
[10:07] <valorie> the LTS never nags
[10:07] <mole_> i know
[10:07] <valorie> some of use here use 11.04 and are happy with it
[10:07] <valorie> some choose not to upgrade for various reasons
[10:07] <mole_> oh i'm sure it would have never released unlessed it worked on a computer or 2
[10:07] <valorie> it's all based on individual choice
[10:08] <valorie> so the question is, what do you do now?
[10:08] <valorie> the old ISOs are all still available, if you don't have liveCDs around
[10:08] <valorie> I suggest rolling back to the last release you liked
[10:08] <valorie> esp. an LTS one
[10:08] <mole_> it's a toss up
[10:09] <valorie> such as 10.04
[10:09] <mole_> u need current version of all apps
[10:09] <mole_> butttt
[10:09] <valorie> you can always try out the news ones in a VM
[10:09] <mole_> the infrastructure is crashing
[10:09] <mole_> i already run 5 vm's
[10:09] <mole_> i have limitted ram
[10:09] <mole_> base system needs to not suck
[10:09] <valorie> well, it doesn't suck for me
[10:10] <mole_> lucky
[10:10] <valorie> but every distro won't work on every machine
[10:10] <valorie> so find what works best for each
[10:10] <valorie> and use that
[10:10] <mole_> nah
[10:10] <mole_> the kernel they are shipping is just bad times
[10:10] <mole_> and kde4 needs tonnes of work
[10:10] <multipass> why?
[10:10] <mole_> before it's usable
[10:11] <mole_> multipass: crashes out
[10:11] <multipass> ive noticed a few programs crashing i guess
[10:11] <multipass> not too bad though
[10:12] <multipass> ubuntu seems more stable
[10:12] <multipass> try that?
[10:13] <valorie> the only thing that crashes for me is plasma, and it always reloads itself
[10:14] <multipass> so far its crashed using foobnix and mangler
[10:21] <giovanni> buongiorno
[10:22] <Guest663> ho un problema con il dispositivo bluetooth integrato del mio computer qualcuno mi può dare una mano?
[10:24] <alien_66> hello everybody, I'd need help with kubuntu 11.04 thanks
[10:25] <valorie> !ask | alien_66
[10:27] <Graf_Westerholt> !it | Guest663
[10:27] <Guest663> buongiorno ho un problema con il dispositivo bluetooth integrato del mio computer qualcuno mi può dare una mano?
[10:27] <alien_66> kde is broken after upgrading from kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04. I log in correctly with kdm but the plasma desktop doesn' work. Any idea?
[10:30] <Graf_Westerholt> alien_66, I would create a test user and log in with this user.
[10:31] <alien_66> Graf_Westerholt already done same problem
[10:34] <gionny123> hello i have a problem with the bluetooth on my computer anybody can give me a hand?
[10:35] <Graf_Westerholt> !details | gionny123
[10:38] <gionny123> ok I have a HP Pavilion dv5 card with integrated Bluetooth, have recently switched to ubuntu with great happiness, these days I decided to switch to kubuntu, but I have a problem with the hardware that is not recognized
[10:41] <Graf_Westerholt> gionny123, did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup ?
[10:48] <gionny123> you've already tried these steps but to no avail, the problem is that the hardware is not recognized
[10:52] <gionny123> [sudo] password for giovanni:
[10:52] <gionny123> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto
[10:52] <gionny123> Generazione albero delle dipendenze
[10:52] <gionny123> Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto
[10:52] <gionny123> E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto &&
[10:52] <FloodBotK1> gionny123: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:52] <gionny123> E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto apt-get
[10:53] <gionny123> scusate stavo facendo vedere cosa mi risponde il sistema ai comandi che mi avete consigliato.
[10:53] <gionny123> sorry to see what I was doing the system responds to commands that I have recommended.
[10:55] <Graf_Westerholt> gionny123 do you think I can understand it?
[11:29] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: xD it was italian i guess
[11:29] <Peace-> *he was
[11:30] <Graf_Westerholt> Of course it was. But I do not speak italian.
[11:30] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: ahahaahhah
[11:30] <Peace-> !it | Graf_Westerholt
[11:30] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry?
[11:30] <Peace-> !de | Graf_Westerholt
[11:31] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: next time you can use that bot
[11:31] <Graf_Westerholt> I did.
[11:31] <Graf_Westerholt> What do you mean?
[11:31] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: oh i have seen now
[11:31] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: sorry
[11:31] <Peace-> no nothing :)
[11:32] <Graf_Westerholt> k
[11:36] <tdn> Where do I get Kubuntu 10.10 alternate amd64 iso? I can only find non-alternative. However, this does not support encrypted rootfs. PLEASE help. I just installed 11.04, but it does not work at all. Cannot even boot up and show me graphics.
[11:37] <moetunes> !alternate
[11:38] <Peace-> tdn: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[11:38] <Peace-> tdn: CTRL F  alternate
[11:46] <tdn> Peace-, I cannot see it.
[11:46] <tdn> Only the 11.04
[11:46] <tdn> Peace-, I can see the hash, but not the download link for 10.10 amd alternate
[11:47] <tdn> Actually I cannot even see the hash. The hash is for 10.04
[11:48] <tdn> Can you help me fix 11.04?
[11:50] <Peace-> tdn: ... -.- http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/11.04/
[11:50] <tdn> Peace-, please, I do not want 11.04 but 10.10
[11:52] <Peace-> tdn: have you a brain ? http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[11:53] <tdn> Thanks. I could not find it on kubuntu website. No need to be rude.
[11:55] <Peace-> tdn: you right on the webpage there is not
[11:55] <Peace-> tdn: sorry
[11:56] <tdn> Of course, it would be nice if I do not HAVE to reinstall. Do you know if there is any easy way to fix 11.04?
[11:56] <OerHeks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ubuntu-10.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[12:03] <tdn>  OerHeks yeah, found it. Thanks.
[12:04] <OerHeks> yw
[12:21] <magepsycho> hello guys
[12:21] <magepsycho> internet connection not working in kubuntu
[12:24] <magepsycho> anybody can help me to connect to internet
[12:24] <Graf_Westerholt> !details | magepsycho
[12:25] <magepsycho> i added a dsl account from Network management
[12:25] <magepsycho> but that account is not being listed in the list
[12:30] <magepsycho> any idea ubottu
[12:30] <magepsycho> i want to use kubuntu .. and i am really pissed off with the internet connection issue
[12:31] <magepsycho> http://tech-buzz.net/2006/07/26/how-to-access-internet-dsl-using-kubuntu-ubuntu/
[12:31] <magepsycho> will this help?
[12:35] <claviceps_> hi, does someone know of a repository which still has kuickshow?
[12:39] <new2net> why kubuntu installer no work T_T
[12:43] <new2net> why kubuntu installer no work T_T  "The installer encountered an error copying the files to your HD... i/o err" The iso md5 matched :( what did I do wrong?
[12:43] <MaximLevitsky> anybody knows how to make systray work with compiz?
[12:45] <Graf_Westerholt> new2net, did you check your RAM for errors?
[12:46] <new2net> well... i ran memtest86 not even a week ago
[12:46] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[12:49] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: and it passed
[12:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe error at the CD?
[12:57] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: heh... well I have a HD w/ the ISO (w/ the correct md5)... how would I install it from the iso instead of the liveCD... is there a guide maybe?   Didn't work :(
[13:01] <Graf_Westerholt> „Didn't work“ is not usefull
[13:04] <new2net> I/O error...   The ISO I used to install kubuntu to the USB drive is fine. The HD is fine because it failed on 3/3 HDs and they didn't all go bad. I ran memtest86 recently. I'm using the USB drive right now... It said  "I/O error" - no stacktrace .... i agree that isn't useful
[13:06] <Graf_Westerholt> new2net Do you have a second PC to test?
[13:07] <new2net> yup
[13:07] <Graf_Westerholt> You can install the HD in the second PC, try to install Kubuntu and reinstall the HD.
[13:09] <new2net> completely different processor architecture... sounds like trouble
[13:09] <Graf_Westerholt> ok :)
[13:10] <slinker1> actually should work fine
[13:10] <Graf_Westerholt> What CPUs do you have?
[13:10] <Graf_Westerholt> Or did you try the alternate installer?
[13:11] <mwnn> hi, how can switch to the netbook interface?
[13:12] <BajK> is it  just me or is Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.0 so much quicker than KDE 4.5 on 10.10? :D
[13:12] <new2net> phenom2 and who knows what this old one is...  x86, was fun like 8 years ago and worth about $6 now
[13:14] <misha> from rus&
[13:14] <misha> &
[13:14] <Graf_Westerholt> mwnn, I think install ubuntu-netbook paket.
[13:14] <misha> on kubuntu kde 4.6?
[13:14] <Graf_Westerholt> Is there kubuntu-netbook too?
[13:15] <mwnn> Graf_Westerholt: yes, just found it
[13:15] <Graf_Westerholt> ok :)
[13:15] <misha> aa
[13:15] <misha> aa
[13:15] <Graf_Westerholt> ubuntu, kubuntu… who cares? :D
[13:17] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: I have not tried an alternate installer yet. Do you have any in mind?
[13:17] <erny> ciao
[13:17] <Graf_Westerholt> !alternate
[13:18] <new2net> :)
[13:22] <tdn> I have just installed kubuntu 11.04, when I start up, it says: error: no video mode activated
[13:22] <tdn> So nothing happens. I beleive it is already in grub it fails.
[13:22] <tdn> What to do?
[13:24] <Graf_Westerholt> tdn Do you have a shell?
[13:30] <Graf_Westerholt> tdn, I found this: comment out "#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480" in der "/etc/default/grub"
[13:31] <Graf_Westerholt> "sudo update-grub" & Reboot
[13:32] <tdn> Graf_Westerholt, no, but if I select recovery mode in grub, I get a shell.
[13:33] <tdn> Graf_Westerholt, it is already commented out.
[13:33] <tdn> by defautl'
[13:33] <Graf_Westerholt> tdn, maybe activating can help.
[13:34] <tdn> trying
[13:34] <tdn> Really bad that deafult does not work.
[13:34] <tdn> Many users could not even get a shell
[13:34] <tdn> Graf_Westerholt, just tried the above. Same result. Same error.
[13:34] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[13:37] <tdn> What to do?
[13:37] <Graf_Westerholt> Do not know.
[13:44] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: K now that I have the alt/ ISO, can I just burn it to a DVD using K3b then boot from it (and hopefully install to a HD)?
[13:45] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes. As ISO, not as file, of course :)
[13:56] <new2net> oh 696.4MB, its almost as if the developers knew I wouldn't be able to find a DVD
[14:00] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: hopefully I see you on the other side. Thanks again
[14:15] <miko> hi there
[14:16] <miko> so how does this work?
[14:25] <natman> :miko you just post questions or comments
[14:27] <ArchangelSe7en> natman, he's gone
[14:27] <sujith_h> Hi all, when I tried the broadcom driver from http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php, I can see the wlan0 interface. But when I do "iwlist scan" it says, "wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down"
[14:28] <natman> ::ArchangelSe7en oo thanks
[14:28] <ArchangelSe7en> yw
[14:28] <sujith_h> May I know what could be the reason for that? Because the broadcom driver (wl.ko) is successfully compiled and loaded.
[14:29] <sujith_h> I use kubuntu 11.04
[14:47] <lcb> hello fellows. Happy anniversary to everyone!
[14:49] <lcb> It makes today exactly 1 year that in 2010 was the 15th day of May. Congratulations!
[14:51] <ArchangelSe7en> ?
[14:51] <ArchangelSe7en> and what was in May 15 last year
[14:52] <lcb> exactly one year ago
[14:52] <lcb> aren't you happy?
[14:52] <lcb> hehehehe
[14:53] <dan__> Yes.  Indeed LCB>
[14:53] <dan_l> I remember may 15 2010.
[14:54] <lcb> :)
[14:54] <lcb> see..... at least one person remembers today is an anniversary ;)
[14:55] <ArchangelSe7en> wasnt here a year ago , so I couldnt possibly remember
[14:55] <lcb> is kind of Christmas for most of ppl. everyday should be Christmas.
[14:57] <lcb> everyday when i lok at the mirror i say: wow, today is exactly one year from last - and i still recognize myself :o
[14:57] <lcb> lok/look
[14:57] <lcb> so that makes me happy
[14:57] <lcb> lol
[14:57] <kubu2> lcb: thanks for the chuckles
[14:57] <lcb> :)
[14:58] <lcb> just to break some ices(s) :)
[14:58] <lcb> being too serious is not good, now a days...
[14:58] <kubu2> sosdd
[14:58] <kubu2> or sosdy
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:59] <lcb> hi BluesKaj, welcome. have a seat.
[14:59] <kubu2> BluesKaj: well good to know from lcb today is exactly a year ago
[14:59] <lcb> kubu2, yea
[14:59]  * BluesKaj nods
[15:00] <lcb> BluesKaj, you can talk, not just facial expression :)
[15:00] <lcb> btw, i just install Kubuntu... and i'm loving it
[15:00] <BluesKaj> gee thanks ")
[15:00] <lcb> so congrats to the devs
[15:01] <lcb> the "but..." will come in a while.
[15:01] <kubu2> did you do thae same last year on the same day? :)
[15:01] <Graf_Westerholt> hehe lcb
[15:01] <lcb> (not Kubuntu falts - mi issues)
[15:02] <lcb> faults, either
[15:02] <lcb> my either ......... geez these anniversaries makes me confuse my nails
[15:05] <lcb> 1st shot; is it possible to remove unity (besides un-checking everything on compiz settings) (because i think my graphics problems are caused from it)?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lcb, best to ask in #ubuntu
[15:07] <lcb> using 11.04 since it started public (alpha stages) and i liked it and always understanding the glitches were normal on testing. but i believe is too long and about time now for major issues being corrected.
[15:09] <lcb> BluesKaj, i used to help ppl in there, until about a week ago... when i realized it were too much of a puzzle helping ppl fixing unfixeable things. :)
[15:10] <lcb> and i feel very sorry how ubuntu went down (in public acceptance) with this nasty release.
[15:10] <lcb> oops, natty
[15:11] <lcb> btw, the core engine is great. only minor problems causing disasters
[15:12] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt:  the md5 matches (again). Ofcourse it failed... Here's what really gets me... the iso is correct, i burned it at 1x (and double checked the integrity)... Then when I use the "check this disk" option it fails. I'm looking at what else the problem could be and I'm thinking it's the Kubuntu developers.... someone missed something
[15:13] <Graf_Westerholt> I installed 11.04 without problems new2net
[15:14] <BluesKaj> lcb , one can still help those with issues you can resolve for them , but this discussion should yake place in #kubuntu-offtopic , I can feel the offtopic cops breathing down my neck :)
[15:15] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: hash collision?
[15:16] <Graf_Westerholt> new2net, what do you mean with hash collision?
[15:17] <new2net> even though the md5's match... maybe a collision :p u know collisions have been found in MD5
[15:17] <lcb> BluesKaj, even today.? A Sunday??
[15:17] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not know. I have never checked the MD5.
[15:18] <lcb> BluesKaj, i agree. it was just a good moment intention.
[15:19] <new2net> Graf_Westerholt: it was a joke anyways... i'll give it another shot lol
[15:25] <kurtul> my sound is scratchy. is it fixable?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> kurtul, depends what you mean by scratchy , distorted , hissy , garbled clipping ...what ?
[15:27] <kurtul> BluesKaj: my voice is hearable. but theres a hissing sound louder than my voice.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> kurtul, so your using a mic , open the terminal and check alsamixer mic inputs and  ctrls . especially the mic boost
[15:31] <kurtul> BluesKaj: i checked it throug mixer. i tried all different options in skype and audacity. how do you check in terminal?
[15:32] <lcb> kurtul, 'mute' all channels, leave only mic open, lower levels and see if you discover from what channel is that noise coming.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> kurtul, type alsamixer in the terminal, then use the arrow keys to navigate and control the sliders
[15:35] <joshua__> hi, is the minimize button meant to be hidden in kubuntu 11.04
[15:38] <joshua__> the maximize and close buttons are there, just not the minimize one
[15:38] <joshua__> although its easier to minimize clicking on the task switcher anyway
[15:39] <lcb> kurtul, btw, when i said "lower levels" i mean don't overdue the levels. at times that causes what you have
[15:39] <BluesKaj> joshua__, could be a theme problem
[15:40] <joshua__> its a fresh install
[15:40] <joshua__> default theme
[15:40] <joshua__> all updates applied
[15:41] <BluesKaj> joshua__, try the plastik , it's not fancy but it's stable
[15:41] <joshua__> the screen resolution is 1024x600 but that shouldn't effect it
[15:43] <joshua__> oh i've sorted it
[15:43] <joshua__> configure buttons>default>apply
[15:43] <BluesKaj> and?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:43] <lcb> first time i opened kubuntu desktop i had this nice "big folder" with all items from desktop in it. /this might be a really novice question but indeed i'm starting with kubuntu) How can i have that back?
[15:44] <joshua__> @lbc: add widgets>folder view
[15:44] <BluesKaj> joshua__, I should have mentioned windows decoration in workspace appearance
[15:45] <lcb> joshua__, thanks a lot. i'm playing with it. let's see ... :)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> lcb , folderview ?
[15:46] <joshua__> @lbc: configure it (spanner) to 'show the desktop folder'
[15:46]  * BluesKaj is slow on the KB
[15:46] <lcb> BluesKaj, probably. this is the 4th or 6th time i opening the environment. i didn't have enough time yet to discover the tricks.
[15:47]  * lcb is slow too ("no worries... be happy")
[15:48] <BluesKaj> oops
[16:03] <lcb> Known_problems, name it, pls. hi
[16:03] <lcb> :p
[16:10] <BluesKaj> lcb, it's best to bring up a problem when you ncounter it , not knowing what your HW is makes it difficult to isy known probems
[16:11] <BluesKaj> list
[16:12] <lcb> BluesKaj, sorry, i didin't get it.. regarding what?
 Known_problems, name it, pls
[16:13] <BluesKaj> lcb, I assumed you wanted someone to list known problems
[16:13] <gionny123> Hi I have a problem with bluetooth
[16:13] <lcb> ahh.... that was a salut for the nick <Known_problems>, after entering the room :)
[16:15] <lcb> okok, i'm going to vest the serious suit
[16:15] <new2net> heh lcb still having trouble?
[16:15] <lcb> not yet new2net
[16:15] <BluesKaj> lcb, ok , I have joins7parts turned off
[16:15] <lcb> thanks for asking though :)
[16:16] <lcb> BluesKaj, it's ok... :)
[16:16] <new2net> no problem, do you know if I have to piss blood to get kubuntu 11.03 to install?
[16:16] <lcb> 11.04?
[16:16] <new2net> yup
[16:16] <new2net> natty
[16:17] <ArchangelSe7en> I like this channel more than Ubuntu's
[16:17] <lcb> new2net, some issues with the release. it depends the machine / hardware. in fact most problems derivate from xorg, being a bit nasty accepting some cards
[16:17] <lcb> ArchangelSe7en, nice to know that. that makes us 2
[16:18] <ArchangelSe7en> :)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> new2net, livecd ?
[16:18] <ArchangelSe7en> I'ma add it to my autojoin
[16:18] <new2net> well... I'm running it now, off a DVD... It displays just fine, infact if it didn't look this nice I'd go elsewhere
[16:19] <lcb> usually on a non too formal posture from ppl around makes things easier.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> lc there is no xorg anymore unless you generated one yourself
[16:19] <lcb> ArchangelSe7en < @ ArchangelSe7en
[16:20] <BluesKaj> new2net, so what happens when you try to install
[16:21] <new2net> BluesKaj: I/O error. "The CD/USB (tried both) is bunk-- blah blah... try getting some CD cleaner etc"
[16:22] <gionny123> Hi I have a problem with bluetooth
[16:22] <BluesKaj> new2net, is your pc brand new or more than 5yrs old ?
[16:23] <new2net> BluesKaj: fairly new, built it myself 3 months ago. i just dont see how I could have missed anything... I went through everything at least twice.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> !alternate | new2net
[16:23] <new2net> tried it
[16:25] <BluesKaj> new2net, tried any other distros ?
[16:26] <new2net> yeah, BT4 r1, r2 Ubuntu, obsd, CentOS they all work. To be fair, obsd was more trouble than this.
[16:27] <new2net> a lot more trouble. stay away from it
[16:28] <BluesKaj> openbsd is a pita , tried it myself , wasn't impressed
[16:32] <new2net> BluesKaj: can I get ubuntu and apt-get install kde-desktop?  is that even close to the same thing as kubuntu
[16:33] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-desktop is wht you need, new2net
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-desktop | new2net
[16:37] <BluesKaj> new2net, kubuntu-desktop installs all the default kde apps,dependoing on your repos
[16:37] <lcb> BluesKaj, i don't need to do it but just by curiosity; if someone do 'dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop' it would help fix things on the interface and kubuntu defaults?
[16:37] <c2tarun> hmmmm... new2net I am sorry but my konversation is highlighting itself to every message you are receiving :( why so?
[16:38] <lcb> c2tarun,check on your irc client the highlighted text section
[16:39] <BluesKaj> new2net,, i doubt it
[16:39] <c2tarun> crap it included the word new and it was highlighting then :( sorry to disturbe
[16:39] <new2net> BluesKaj: how'd you know I was going to ask a stupid question :p
[16:39] <lcb> c2tarun,:)
[16:39] <new2net> about sugar on a stick*
[16:40] <BluesKaj> new2net, not sure , I would just reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[16:42] <BluesKaj> new2net, are you having trouble with apt-get "
[16:42] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:43] <jmut> hi.
[16:43] <new2net> no.. having trouble getting from a live CD to my harddrive
[16:43] <jmut> anyone tried this addone to fix flash?  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-aid/
[16:44] <BluesKaj> tell me how you attempted to install kubuntu , new2net ?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> jmut, install kubuntu-restricted-extras . it contains flash, java and most required multimedia codecs and plugins
[16:49] <new2net> k. I boot up into Windows 7 get the ISO 10.04 LTS (kubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-i386.iso), check the MD5 and then used Universal USB installer. Pop it into my other machine and boot from the USB then click install and it says "One or more of the files on this usb is fuukd, maybe you burned it too fast, or your machine is overheating".  I figured since I was already using the USB (which boots up fine) I'd get the alt version and give it another shot with a DVD,
[16:49] <new2net>  same thing happened.
[16:52] <Graf_Westerholt> I just installed alternate.
[16:52] <Graf_Westerholt> worked
[16:52] <Graf_Westerholt> But did not boot. :( something about video mode not set.
[16:52] <BluesKaj> hmm , have you tried another disc in the target pc cdrom to make sure it's reading and writing properly
[16:52] <BluesKaj> new2net,^
[16:53] <new2net> oh yeah I have :) it works
[16:54] <BluesKaj> new2net, the alt version needs an internet connection, afaik
[16:55] <new2net> ok going to give the alt version 1 more shot
[16:57] <BluesKaj> hmmm, seems I'm wrong the alternate does not require an internet connection
[16:58] <BluesKaj> new2net, ^
[17:00] <BluesKaj> wow , I'd better brush up on kubuntu distros
[17:39] <kaddi> hi, I borked an arch install (supposed to be in parallel with ubuntu) and am trying to recover access to my ubuntu install. It's still grub and I get error 17 even after trying to reinstall grub onto the hard drive
[17:44] <DarthFrog> !grub2 | kaddi
[17:46] <DarthFrog> kaddi:  If that GRUB restoration procedure doesn't work for you, you might find it easiest to boot from a LiveCD, backup your home directory and then do a fresh install.
[17:48] <kaddi> i've got 4 separate OS installed on the laptop at the moment.. :p I'd rather not redo it all ;) But I'll go through the guide once more
[17:48] <kaddi> by default does ubuntu install grub to the MBR or onto the partition?
[17:49] <DarthFrog> MBR, unless you specify a partition.
[17:49] <kaddi> ahhh.. that may be the problem then. The guide says to install onto a partition
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Also, you might check your BIOS setting to make sure that it's trying to boot from the right disk, if you have more than one.
[17:51] <OerHeks> i believe the max is 4 primairy partitions.
[17:52] <kaddi> I only have one
[17:52] <kaddi> and yeah, installing to the mbr fixed it
[17:52] <OerHeks> sure ? <kaddi> i've got 4 separate OS installed on the laptop at the moment..
[17:52] <kaddi> thanks
[17:52] <kaddi> yeh, linux doesn't need a primary partition, you can install it onto extended partition, iirc?
[17:52] <bonbon> where did you install 4 different os to?
[17:53] <bonbon> kaddi
[17:53] <bonbon> the same partition?
[17:53] <kurtul> BluesKaj: i tried alsamixer after your advice. mic creates hissy sound. mic boost and digital doesn't effect anything. only capture does. it turns the mic on and off.  and when it's off hissing noise disappeares too.
[17:53] <kaddi> 2 windows to primary partitions, ubuntu on an extended partition and archlinux onto an extended partition
[17:53] <kaddi> nope, bonbon, the same hard drive but different partitions
[17:54] <bonbon> ok
[17:55] <bonbon> how about the anonymity manager
[17:56] <dniMretsaM> hi peeps
[17:56] <m477> 3ubuntu
[17:56] <m477> #ubuntu
[17:57] <BluesKaj> well, kurtul, looks like the mic or the mic input is the prob...to make sure try it on a diifferent pc
[17:59] <kurtul> BluesKaj: it's notebook's internal mic. do you think it's a hardware problem? if i plug in an external mic, would it work?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> kurtul, yes it should
[18:00] <kurtul> BluesKaj: thanks
[18:02] <Linkmaster> I'm having a difficulty with upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04. I was at school when the new release came out, and the internet connection there is terrible at best, and I didnt' particularly want to go through the upgrade process to have it fail, so I decided to wait until I came home for my good connection. The problem is, I can't upgrade now. I tried 'do-release-upgrade' from Konsole, and it says there is no upgrade, I've
[18:02] <Linkmaster> tried using KPackageKit, and I've wanted to upgrade to 11.04 for awhile now, but I can't find it at the moment
[18:03] <DarthFrog> Linkmaster: Are you running Lucid?
[18:03] <Linkmaster> DarthFrog: I'm running Maverick
[18:05] <DarthFrog> I can't remember where it's set, but there is a setting that shows updates for LTS only.  You might have that enabled.
[18:05] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, lsb_release -a  to make sure
[18:06] <Linkmaster> Yeah that showed me using 10.10. I know I'm using 10.10, since I installed from a CD that has it on it. But I don't know how to make it go to 11.04
[18:07] <Linkmaster> And my settings is set to 'normal releases' rather then 'long-term support only releases', so I know it _should_ be mentioning about 11.04
[18:08] <kaddi> anyone happen to know where the arch-support channel is?
[18:09] <ArchangelSe7en> sure
[18:09] <ArchangelSe7en> /J #archlinux
[18:10] <kaddi> ty
[18:10] <Linkmaster> I'll be back later, BluesKaj DarthFrog if you guys find anything, send it to me in a message so that I can view it later
[18:11] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, have you tried sudo dist-upgrade to get all the kde updates?
[18:12] <ArchangelSe7en> yw
[18:14] <bonbon> anyone help with running the anonymity manger?
[18:15] <bonbon> why can i not connetc to the tor server?
[18:16] <DarthFrog> Your ISP might be blocking it.
[18:16] <DarthFrog> Do a traceroute.
[18:16] <bonbon> the firewall?
[18:17] <bonbon> how do i find out?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, that's an odd situation that link has , never heard of it ...would having the cdrom deb repos enabled cause that ?
[18:17] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: ??
[18:18] <BluesKaj> that he can't upgrade
[18:18] <DarthFrog> bonbon: As I said, do a traceroute.
[18:18] <bonbon> on the tor server?
[18:18] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Agreed.  It's very odd.
[18:18] <DarthFrog> bonbon: Yes.
[18:19] <bonbon> where do i find the tor server number?
[18:19] <DarthFrog> bonbon: try this command:  "man dig".
[18:20] <DarthFrog> And you don't need the server IP, the FQDN will do.
[18:20] <DarthFrog> That's what DNS is for.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> bonbon, run traceroute with the server URL , you should get a list of nodes and IPs , the last IP in brackests will probly be the one
[18:23] <DarthFrog> You could also install mtr and use that instead, for a GUI with realtime updating.
[18:23] <bonbon> i ve run a traceroute on the address that comes up in the manager
[18:24] <bonbon> i dont get any different ip from the initial
[18:24] <DarthFrog> And can you get a packet all the way there?
[18:25] <bonbon> how do i find out if i can
[18:25] <bonbon> and what do i write on the manual page on the trminal?
[18:26] <DarthFrog> What is the name of the tor server?
[18:26] <bonbon> <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa
[18:27] <DarthFrog> LOL!
[18:27] <DarthFrog> There's your problem right there. :-)
[18:28] <bonbon> what do i do about it/
[18:29] <DarthFrog> That's your machine!  Not a machine on the net.
[18:30] <DarthFrog> You find out the real name of the server you want and use that.  Not <IP_ADDRESS> which is your localhost.
[18:32] <bonbon> does that mean i get remote access to a tor that is already running?
[18:33] <bonbon> how do i create a local manager?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> mtr does nothing here ..it just sits there when trying an url or ip
[18:33] <DarthFrog> bonbon: No idea.  I know nothing about tor.
[18:33] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Really?
[18:33] <DarthFrog> Strange.
[18:52] <ubuntu> how to update grub in kubuntu
[18:53] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: the package or the menu?
[18:53] <ubuntu> pakage
[18:53] <ubuntu> actually m hvng sum prblm wid my system
[18:54] <ubuntu> its showing file system error grub recue
[18:54] <WaltzingAlong> apt-get update; apt-get install grub ? or grub-pc
[18:54] <WaltzingAlong> ah, any changes to your system as of late? system shared with win7?
[18:55] <BluesKaj> sudo update-grub
[18:55] <ubuntu> ya
[18:55] <ubuntu> where should i run this
[18:55] <WaltzingAlong> konsole
[18:55] <ubuntu> i mean i dont knw about kubuntu
[18:56] <ubuntu> its showing me error
[18:56] <ubuntu> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[19:01] <BluesKaj> !grub | ubuntu
[19:02] <WaltzingAlong> and to prevent win7 from messing with the mbr?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> a good policy is always install any windows OS first then the Linux
[19:09] <DarthFrog> Or install Windows on a second drive and use the BIOS boot order to switch between them.
[19:28] <Axlin> hey guys, i have a quick question. i have the widget dashboard enabled in kde 4.6 and would like to set it up so that clicking on empty space closes the dashboard so that i don't have to hit the keyboard shortcut or the close button each time. i can't find the settings for this. anybody know where i should look?
[19:36] <qnc> hi, i just did a clean instlal of 11.04 on top of a 10.10 ubunu install. the /home parition was separate, so only root was formated. now i can't log in to my old account from kdm (it just shows a white rectangle and then logs back ou), but i can log in with a new account. there is a dbus error in /var/log/kdm.log when i try to log in with the old account. any ideas?
[19:39] <qnc> this is the error in kdm.log: http://pastebin.com/NTmDk4FL
[19:42] <varanus> hi everyone, i have kubuntu 10.10 and i'm trying to blacklist a wireless driver but on every restart the blacklist-wlan.conf file i have created doesn't exist with the result of not working what i'm trying to do. Why the system is deleting the file created?
[19:42] <leviathan_> list
[19:45] <peace2_> varanus: locate blacklist
[19:47] <peace2_> varanus: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[19:51] <varanus> peace2_: i have inserted the following line blacklist rt2800pci in the blacklist.conf file but every time i restart the pc that line is being canceled
[19:51] <peace2_> varanus: mm that is not possibile
[19:52] <peace2_> anyway...
[19:52] <varanus> because i hard reset
[19:53] <peace2_> varanus: could you try with
[19:53] <peace2_> kdesudo dolphin  /etc/modprobe.d/
[19:53] <peace2_> and then right button on the blacklist.conf
[19:53] <peace2_> and remove write permission on that ?
[19:54] <peace2_> even for the user
[19:54] <peace2_> who owns that file?
[19:54] <varanus> it's me
[19:56] <peace2_> varanus: sudo chattr +i  PATH/TO/FILE
[19:56] <peace2_> varanus: -i  if you wish go back
[19:57] <peace2_> varanus: i have to go
[19:57] <peace2_> bye
[19:57] <varanus> PasNox: ty anyway
[19:57] <varanus> i'm gonna try it
[19:57] <varanus> peace2_: ty anyway
[20:04] <qnc> hi, i just did a clean instlal of 11.04 on top of a 10.10 ubunu install. the /home parition was separate, so only root was formated. now i can't log in to my old account from kdm (it just shows a white rectangle and then logs back ou), but i can log in with a new account. there is a dbus error in /var/log/kdm.log when i try to log in with the old account. any ideas?
[20:04] <qnc> this is the error in kdm.log: http://pastebin.com/NTmDk4FL
[20:05] <SIR_Taco> qnc: so, you freshly installed 11.04, but kept your /home partition?
[20:06] <DarthFrog> qnc: Try moving the KDE directory in your home partition to another location, eg. "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.saved" and try again.
[20:07] <qnc> SIR_Taco: correct, but i didn't have a ~/.kde directory before because i was using gnome
[20:07] <qnc> either way, i tried deleting .kde
[20:07] <qnc> that didn't help
[20:07] <qnc> i've been going through all the config dirs but so far nothing has worked
[20:07] <SIR_Taco> qnc: ok.... and you created a user of the same name as before?
[20:08] <qnc> SIR_Taco: yeah, the same name
[20:08] <SIR_Taco> qnc: was your /home directory encrypted in 10.10?
[20:08] <qnc> i followed the same procedure i always do when upgrading
[20:08] <qnc> except now it's ubuntu -> kubuntu not ubuntu -> ubuntu
[20:08] <qnc>  no encryption anywhere
[20:09] <qnc> oh, and i'm using intel onboard graphics
[20:09] <qnc> no proprietary drivers or anything like that
[20:10] <Graf_Westerholt> What about permissions?
[20:11] <qnc> Graf_Westerholt: that could be it, that's why i've been deleting config files so that they're recreated with the right permissions
[20:11] <qnc> but i have no idea what i'm looking for
[20:12] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe your new account have no permission to write to your home directory.
[20:12] <SIR_Taco> qnc: someone correct me if I'm wrong... but you could technically remove all . files and directories and they would be recreated... no?
[20:12] <SIR_Taco> Graf_Westerholt: that's a good point
[20:13] <qnc> yeah, but i'm instead going through one-by-one because i'd like to know what's creating the issue, ffr
[20:13] <qnc> if i can't figure it out, then i'll just nuke them all
[20:14] <SIR_Taco> well... you can do: "cd /home" and then "sudo chown -R username userdir/" and "sudo chgrp -R username userdir/"
[20:15] <SIR_Taco> worth a shot anyway
[20:15] <qnc> it's ok, i just got it to work
[20:16] <SIR_Taco> qnc: what was the problem?
[20:16] <qnc> not sure, but i think it was in ~/.config
[20:16] <SIR_Taco> ah ok
[20:16] <qnc> i'm gonna move it back and see if the issue comes back
[20:20] <qnc> no, seems ok
[20:20] <qnc> in any case, thanks for the help
[20:20] <SIR_Taco> qnc: odd haha
[20:22] <nauti> can someone pls help me: i changed the path to my homefolder in usersettings. After reboot and login on the splash screen i get a black screen and return to the splash screen. I tried to change back the path to the original one but could not find out how to edit the path in the terminal.
[20:23] <SIR_Taco> nauti: in terminal what does "echo $HOME" display? the correct one, or the other?
[20:25] <nauti> SIR_Taco: the new path i changed it to - so the wrong one
[20:26] <SIR_Taco> nauti: "sudo usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username"
[21:03] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: Yes, I had done the 'dist-upgrade' as well, and it gave nothing
[21:04] <SIR_Taco> ?
[21:06] <Linkmaster> I'm having issues upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04. I'm not getting anything allowing me to do so
[21:07] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: you can't do "sudo do-release-upgrade" ?
[21:07] <Linkmaster> tried tht
[21:07] <Linkmaster> I also tried KPackageKit, as well as Konsole
[21:07] <SIR_Taco> what's it say?
[21:07] <Linkmaster> It says there are no new releases
[21:08] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: how about "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"?
[21:08] <vbgunz> I just installed 11.04 with an encrypted /home directory. This is the only change ever made on this hardware and not hibernate doesn't work correctly. I found some old stuff saying hibernate didn't work with encryption **but** is that really still the case? do I have to unencrypt my swap?
[21:08] <Linkmaster> Never heard of it..let me try
[21:08] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, check in kpackage kit that the cdrom repos is not enabled
[21:09] <Linkmaster> The code that SIR_Taco gave me is giving me stuff
[21:09] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: "-d" option is for development releases (usually the .10 series), but it is possible your system still thinks  11.04 is a future release
[21:10] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: should upgrade fine now
[21:10] <Linkmaster> Possibly..not sure. I'm running new everything except the OS. I have KDE4.6.2, as well as new stuff for other things. I don't know though
[21:10] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, that means you still havent got a full official of your present OS
[21:10] <Linkmaster> Yep, its working, thank you very much..and full official?
[21:11] <BluesKaj> releast of 10.10 that is
[21:11] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: you're welcome, and yes it will be full 11.04
[21:11] <BluesKaj> then do-release-upgrade will bring you to 11.04
[21:12] <SIR_Taco> vbgunz: you saying hibernate doesn't work for you? or that you heard that hibernate doesn't work?
[21:12] <Linkmaster> I'm not sure what full official means. But its all good, and I'll just reset my custom stuffz, and be happy
[21:12] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, I don't think he had the fianl release of 10.10 in the fist place
[21:13] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, I think you'll find once it's done you're still on 10.10
[21:14] <tdn> How do I change the color of scrollbars in the colortheme? I have this now: http://i.imgur.com/PGd5g.png    there is almost no contrast, so I cannot always see the thing to drag in the scroll bar.
[21:15] <vbgunz> hibernation using kubuntu on this exact hardware always worked. the only difference as of late was a reinstall and an encrypted /home directory. now, I can go into hibernation *but* never resume. I come up as if I didn't hibernate
[21:15] <SIR_Taco> anyone know anything about hibernate? I never use it unfortunately (I've always had problems with my hardware and hibernate)
[21:15] <vbgunz> I'm googling but I am finding older articles on (hibernation, encryption and swap)... this might still be the case *but* I don't know for sure and don't want to unencrypt my swap (if it's encrypted) unless it truly is breaking hibernation
[21:15] <vbgunz> I need hibernation
[21:15] <vbgunz> :/
[21:15] <FloodBotK1> vbgunz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:16] <tdn> vbgunz, do you use luks or ecryptfs?
[21:17] <vbgunz> not sure, I basically chose the encryption option from the installation options from the install dvd.
[21:17] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: that's what I was thinking, but atleast he'll be at 11.04 now
[21:18] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, yup
[21:18] <SIR_Taco> tdn: it would be encryptfs then
[21:20] <SIR_Taco> hey Snowhog
[21:20] <vbgunz> If I had known that encrypting my /home was going to break hibernation I don't think I would have done it :/ I hibernate maybe 2-3 times a day
[21:21] <SIR_Taco> vbgunz: there is a similar thread on kubuntuforums.net... : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3116878
[21:21] <SIR_Taco> might be useful
[21:24] <tdn> vbgunz, I have similar problems on ecryptfs on lubuntu. I am not sure why it happens. But afair it works with luks. This is what I use most, but I almost never hibernate on that laptop. Also, please note that you defeat some of the purpose of encryption if you hibernate.
[21:27] <vbgunz> tdn: yeah, it makes sense but not something I thought about when choosing to encrypt. I personally hibernate a lot during a day to dual boot and it's pretty important to me. If I had known, I'd probably would have made a different choice. now I feel stuck on the matter
[21:28] <SIR_Taco> vbgunz: if encryption isn't very important, you can remove it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1179055
[21:29] <vbgunz> thanks SIR_Taco
[21:29] <guesxxx> Has the Kubuntu interface been changed for 11.04?
[21:29] <SIR_Taco> vbgunz: you're welcome
[21:30] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: still same old KDE4, just a little slicker and quicker
[21:31] <guesxxx> SIR_Taco I have a top panel and whole screen has animated icons. Last time i checked it had a bottom panel. I am using it on Lenovo ideapad s10e netbook. Thanks
[21:32] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: have you tried the "netbook" workspace?
[21:33] <dac> ##aple
[21:33] <dac> ##apple
[21:34] <guesxxx> SIR_Taco I booted up the live USB.
[21:35] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: if you go to System Settings -> Workspace Behaviour -> Workspace -> and switch workspace type
[21:36] <dac> #ubuntu
[21:37] <dac> I forgot howgo to another channel
[21:37] <guesxxx> SIR_Taco Thank you. Netbook screen really confused me.
[21:38] <dac> request help...
[21:38] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: sorry... just figured I would show you the other option.... but you can always add bars and what not to the normal KDE layout
[21:39] <SIR_Taco> dac: /join #whatever
[21:39] <Snowhog> dac: type /j #ubuntu
[21:39] <dac> okay thank you...
[21:39] <guesxxx> Is Kubuntu lighter than Ubuntu? My 1Gb netbook can't handle Unity. I have been lately running Lubuntu which is great but miss asthetics.
[21:42] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: I haven't tried Gnome in over a decade... so I really couldn't tell you for sure. If you turn off the desktop effects and fancy things, you should be more than fine
[21:44] <guesxxx> Thank You SIR_Taco. I am going to try it for a day or two with USB. It is running fine so far.
[21:44] <Axlin> guesxxx: it's heavier. but it also includes more bells & whistles. but yeah, without kwin (desktop effects), it will perform much smoother
[21:46] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: that's the best way to do it. Try it out and see if it works for you. Just remember that it wont be quite as 'snappy' running from the USB drive as it would normally
[21:48] <guesxxx> Axlin I guess desktop effects are not enable right now. Will i be able to use widgets without Kwin? SIR_Taco i might just install it and try, i can always go back to Lubuntu. Lenovo has a wierd fan in this netbook which runs all the time even at 45 degrees which is a little annoying.
[21:49] <Axlin> guesxxx: yeah, you should be able to. they're separate from each other
[21:50] <SIR_Taco> guesxxx: actually installing it, if you have the time, will give you the full experience to make the decision
[21:51] <tdn> vbgunz, you should consider using luks instead. I think it is safe even when hibernating.
[21:51] <tdn> vbgunz, also, it is a lot easier in a lot of ways. It is completely transparent.
[21:52] <tdn> vbgunz, you just need to install from the "alternative" cd instead of the normal one. But it is easy to set up. Just select it in the installer.
[21:54] <vbgunz> tdn, I might just do that
[21:54] <guesxxx> Thanks i am going to give full installation a try.
[21:54] <vbgunz> I'll look into it and if it works out, I'll remember and shout ya out for it
[22:37] <MrGizmo757> dose anybody in here know anything about openSUSE? i am having issues and i couldn't get anybody in the suse channel to help Me
[22:38] <ArchangelSe7en> whats the issue MrGizmo757 ?
[22:47] <Thrik> anyone know the repository for the paid apps in the ubuntu software center? the listing doesn't come up for me on the app.
[22:49] <ScorpKing> hi guys. i've upgraded to 11.04 and now vlc copies avi files to my local computer instead of opening it straight from samba shares. it is a problem that existed in 10.04 iirc but in 10.10 it worked fine when i opened files directly from network shares. any ideas?
[22:51] <MK``> may have been a regression :(
[22:54] <ScorpKing> also, setting vlc %U in system settings should apparently work but it doesn't
[22:56] <ScorpKing> hmm.. maybe i should ask the question in a different way. does anyone know how to make vlc use kio slaves in 11.04?
[23:04] <SIR_Taco> ScorpKing: maybe this will help (haven't exactly read through it all, but seems possible)? http://www.jfdesignnet.com/?p=1281
[23:04] <ScorpKing> thanks SIR_Taco, i'll have a look
[23:04] <SIR_Taco> np
[23:07] <ScorpKing> SIR_Taco: just what i needed, thanks again :)
[23:07] <SIR_Taco> ScorpKing: you're welcome :)
[23:11] <pate> hey
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> hello pate
[23:12] <pate> I'm having trouble compiling with g++
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> pate: what kind of problem?
[23:13] <pate> I'm supposed to compile with the option -m32 so it wouldn't use the 64-bit libraries
[23:13] <pate> but it seems as if it's still not using the 32 ones
[23:14] <pate> I even tried to fix the symbolic link - a trick I pretty much copy pasted from a site
[23:14] <SIR_Taco> pate: do you have the 32-bit devel files installed for the libraries you're using?
[23:14] <SIR_Taco> headers, etc...
[23:15] <pate> yes
[23:15] <pate> and the multilib files also
[23:15] <SIR_Taco> ok
[23:15] <pate> that was mentioned on one forum
[23:17] <SIR_Taco> pate: do you get a compile error? or it just wont run on 32-bit?
[23:17] <pate> I get a warning
[23:18] <SIR_Taco> pate: what warning? and does it still compile after the warning?
[23:18] <pate> that "format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 2 has type 'long unsigned int'"
[23:18] <pate> f.ex.
[23:19] <pate> it does
[23:19] <SIR_Taco> it does compile? does it run on 64 and 32 bit?
[23:19] <pate> 32 bit
[23:19] <pate> the comp is 64, but linux is 32
[23:20] <SIR_Taco> pate: but it compiles and runs on both... successfully?
[23:20] <pate> both?
[23:20] <ooki2day> hi
[23:20] <ooki2day> what is iBus?
[23:21] <SIR_Taco> pate: I mean... it warns you about a type problem... but when it's finished comipling, will the program run?
[23:21] <pate> it results in an error, and I'm trying to narrow it down by trying to take care of that warning
[23:21] <SIR_Taco> ooki2day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Input_Bus
[23:22] <SIR_Taco> pate: ok
[23:22] <SIR_Taco> pate: but it fails to run on 64 and 32-bit? (just trying to narrow down whether it's a code problem or a library problem)
[23:23] <pate> I mean my processor is 64, but the linux dist is 32-bit
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> pate: ah ok
[23:23] <pate> SIR_Taco: I guess the processor shouldn't matter in this case?
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> pate: no, it doesnt
[23:26] <pate> the error implies something about glibc
[23:26] <SIR_Taco> pate: not sure what you're trying to do... but it seems you're trying to display a long as an integer.... perhaps you need to convert your long to an int, or just keep it a long
[23:26] <pate> and that invalid pointer at some address
[23:27] <pate> I've heard that's a compiler problem - that it tries to do that for the 64-bit
[23:27] <Snowhog> pate: OS (kernel) can't exceed capability of CPU, and compiled apps can't exceed capability of the OS. So, you can't install a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit CPU, and you can't compile a 64-bit application in a 32-bit OS if I understand it correctly.
[23:27] <pate> but that could be fixed by using the -m32 switch.
[23:27] <pate> but I get the same warnings either way
[23:27] <SIR_Taco> pate: but you shouldn't have that problem with your OS bein 32bit
[23:28] <SIR_Taco> Snowhog: pate has a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor....
[23:28] <pate> so I could add another 32-bit OS.. ;)
[23:28] <Snowhog> SIR_Taco: That I got. But, if pate is trying to compile a 64-bit app, she needs to have a 64-bit kernel running, yes?
[23:30] <SIR_Taco> Snowhog: oh well yes, but that's not what I got out of the conversation.... compiling with -m32 suggests it's being compiled for 32-bit
[23:30] <pate> SIR_Taco: yes
[23:30] <SIR_Taco> and compiling with -m32 on a 32-bit OS, is a little redundant....
[23:30] <pate> Snowhog: the app should exclusively be compiled as 32-bit
[23:31] <pate> SIR_Taco: I'd assume that too, but that was the best advice I found
[23:31] <James147> Snowhog: I dont think so... you should be able to compile (but not run) a 64bit program on a 32bi os
[23:31] <James147> Snowhog: same way you can compile (but not run) a program for arm cpus
[23:31] <pate> true
[23:32] <pate> but why would it be the default, I don't know
[23:32] <SIR_Taco> pate: I really think you have a nasty type mismatch in your code somewhere... g++ doesn't give you a code line or function reference?
[23:32] <James147> pate: what problem are you having btw?
[23:32] <pate> SIR_Taco: it does
[23:33] <SIR_Taco> pate: no luck tracing it back?
[23:33] <pate> SIR_Taco: but that doesn't help me. its predefined somewhere I don't know.. I guess I should backtrace it
[23:34] <pate> because the variables aren't defined in that file or function
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> pate: it looks like you're assigning a Long to an Int at some point.... which will/can break things
[23:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> when is the wine 1.3.20 package getting entered into the repo?
[23:38] <pate> I might've found something now..
[23:40] <SIR_Taco> Spaz_Dynamic: you can always just use the Wine beta repo, if you want to be bleeding-edge: http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu
[23:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> SIR_Taco: I entered that already, thats how I got 1.3.19
[23:41] <DarthFrog> Spaz_Dynamic: Umm, you expect that Kubuntu will be more up to date than WineHQ itself is???
[23:42] <SIR_Taco> Spaz_Dynamic: well you can get the Debs here: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/   .... but I really wouldn't recommned it
[23:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> #winehq reports that 1.3.20 is current, apt isn't showing any updates available
[23:44] <SIR_Taco> pate: what have you found?
[23:44] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: you have run apt-get update right?
[23:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> that should run when I tell it to update I would expect, but I ran it from konsole too just to make sure.
[23:50] <pate> SIR_Taco:
[23:50] <pate> SIR_Taco: not much after all
[23:50] <pate> these are the lines:
[23:50] <pate> 	printf("Pagesize = %d\n"    , uslngPageSize )     ;
[23:50] <pate> 	printf("Pagemask = 0x%X\n"  , uslngPageMask )     ;
[23:51] <pate> and this is the only bit predefining the variables :
[23:51] <pate> 	uslngPageSize = sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE)    ;
[23:51] <pate> 	uslngPageMask = ( ~(uslngPageSize - 1) ) ;
[23:51] <pate> that's the most straight forward piece I've found, as I'm not that familiar with c++
[23:52] <pate> then there's lines like:
[23:52] <pate>     unprotect(FuncGetPage(reinterpret_cast <unsigned long> (voidptr_BackupForOriginalFunction)),uslngPageSize) ;
[23:52] <pate> But my guess, is that that doesn't define the var-type of usIngPageSize - right?
[23:54] <James147> pate: what type is uslngPageSize? (I assume thats the line its erroring on)
[23:54] <SIR_Taco> pate: man... I'm a firefighter not a coder... lol.... but you could try casting doesn't seem to work... it complains about %d (I would assume for your "Pagesize" variable)
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> wow... that didn't make sense
[23:57] <pate> SIR_Taco: heh
[23:57] <pate> James147: I can't find the lines defining its type
[23:57] <multipass> any gmail widgits?
[23:58] <pate> James147: I'm starting to think it's a predefined linux env var or something
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> pate:  you can try casting your variable... if it works in your context... " printf("Pagesize = %d\n"    , int(uslngPageSize) ) ;"
[23:58] <pate> SIR_Taco: I'll try that
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> pate: it may cause undesirable results though... depending on what you're doing
[23:59] <pate> neh - it's only a computer
[23:59] <James147> pate: not likly
[23:59] <pate> yey
[23:59] <pate> no warnings


[08:44] <SiDi> newz2000: i think gettext is capable of separating strings in html documents
[08:44] <SiDi> or xhtml, thus xml
[10:46] <mpt> newz2000, <http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/cloud> invites people to register for a conference being held last week.
[14:52]  * newz2000 catches up
[14:54] <newz2000> SiDi: "capable" is not the same as "excels at"
[14:54] <newz2000> So if launchpad / gettext excel at this use case of translating an entire html page I will use it
[14:54] <newz2000> but if it's a chore then I say we just use the wiki which is the same technique we use for release notes


[22:01] <dbungert> may I inquire as to the SRU status for Jammy?  Looks like the aging period is done and testing is well underway.
[22:08] <holman> dbungert: I think we just need to mark it as verification complete
[22:10] <dbungert> context: I am analyzing LP: #2062988, which I don't consider to be a cloud-init bug but would be helped by this SRU
[22:10] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 2062988 in subiquity "Desktop netboot crashes on startup due to cloud-init schema validation handling" [Medium, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2062988