[10:20] <Stormx> erisco: You need wine.
[10:20] <burnboyy> hmmm it wont let me edit it, perhaps because it is running
[10:20] <synd-> Stormx: if he is using ALSA, then he needs to choose that and not eSound
[10:20] <omeg> I'm thinking it might be useful if there's an option to limit the screensaver in CPU power. Like, "only use 20% CPU power". When using a random screensaver, sometimes one is taken that uses too much processing power.
[10:20] <omeg> And that causes my laptop to start making a lot of nouse.
[10:20] <srodal> hmm, I set opera to open files with gnome-open exec, but when I try nothing happens, does anyone know why?
[10:21] <omeg> *noise
[10:21] <jatos1> hi
[10:21] <omeg> erisco: sorry, but you're not going to get Photoshop to run on Ubuntu.
[10:21] <Stormx> synd-, I had the same problem, and on a fresh install, eSound is not selected by default
[10:21] <topyli> erisco: your best bet is Crossover Office which is a commercial windows api emulator that costs money
[10:21] <Stormx> omeg: Shutup!
[10:21] <Stormx> omeg: Wrong bitch!
[10:21] <topyli> erisco: is something wrong with the gimp?
[10:21] <AndieB> Hi all... the Ubuntu Linux version 5.04 I've installed is shipped with OpenOffice 1.1.3, english version, I removed it and tried to install the swedish version, 1.1.4, but I didn't work, it asked for the CD and then installed the original version again, what to do?
[10:21] <synd-> erisco: The Gimp
[10:21] <synd-> end of story
[10:21] <Stormx> AndieB: There should be swedish language support for it.
[10:21] <omeg> Pardon!
[10:21] <omeg> Okay, so I'm wrong, but yeah.
[10:21] <omeg> Chill!
[10:21] <Chaotic_Reality> Stormx, synd-, that did it. thanks :)
[10:22] <burnboyy> i don't know i've opend xorg with the text editor but it wont let me make changes
[10:22] <Dr_Melectaus> I have a folder, and im trying to change the permissions so i can write to it, But it wont let me. Its so i can put a skin in for XMMS plaer
[10:22] <erisco> the gimp? could you elaborate what the gimp is?
[10:22] <Stormx> burnboyy, you need to do sudo.
[10:22] <AndieB> Stormx: Oki, the menus and all?
[10:22] <omeg> I'd like to see a screenshot of Ubuntu running Photoshop.
[10:22] <synd-> erisco: similar to Photoshot, but OSS
[10:22] <burnboyy> where is that at?
[10:22] <BSG85> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:22] <erisco> oh that program
[10:22] <synd-> erisco: google it
[10:22] <BSG85> you don't have priv to the file
[10:22] <Stormx> AndieB: Should do
[10:22] <erisco> yes i have it
[10:22] <erisco> what about this wine?
[10:22] <burnboyy> hmmm
[10:23] <erisco> i know i downloaded one
[10:23] <topyli> erisco: the GNU Image Manipulating Program. i bet it's already installed on your ubuntu machine
[10:23] <erisco> what about wine?
[10:23] <synd-> erisco: what about it?
[10:23] <topyli> erisco: good luck with wine :)
[10:23] <keith_> what do i type to download xfce?
[10:23] <synd-> wine is not fun
[10:23] <derf> does anyone know of a way of switching the default outgoing subinterface on an ethernet device to the lowest numbered subinterface instead of the highest humbered subinterface?
[10:23] <Ju1ce> i bet you can't get photoshop running with wine.
[10:23] <synd-> .exe's are not fun
[10:23] <derf> s/humber/number/
[10:23] <Stormx> synd-, wine is fun ;-)
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone help me,I have a folder, and im trying to change the permissions so i can write to it, But it wont let me. Its so i can put a skin in for XMMS plaer
[10:24] <synd-> wine sucks
[10:24] <keith_> hmmm i did the repository things and it sstill isnt working...
[10:24] <topyli> erisco: pay codeweavers and buy crossover office, so you can run many windows programs. but really, it's not necessary
[10:24] <{cYanide}> hey er
[10:24] <synd-> keith_: are you typing sudo
[10:24] <{cYanide}> is there a way to reinstall the grud bootloader?
[10:24] <{cYanide}> and leave the rest intact
[10:24] <{cYanide}> er grub
[10:24] <topyli> yes, but it's not straightforward
[10:24] <BSG85> use chmod
[10:24] <synd-> hmm
[10:24] <{cYanide}> er
[10:24] <{cYanide}> i cant get into linux
[10:24] <{cYanide}> no bootloader
[10:25] <Stormx> xD
[10:25] <{cYanide}> (well i cant, maybe there is a way)
[10:25] <Stormx> How did you manage that?!
[10:25] <{cYanide}> er
[10:25] <derf> {cYanide}: grub-install as root
[10:25] <{cYanide}> bad accident with partition magic:/
[10:25] <{cYanide}> lol
[10:25] <Stormx> rofl.
[10:25] <burnboyy> i've been getting to xorg through the file manager
[10:25] <BSG85> Dr_Melectaus use chmod to change dir privs
[10:25] <burnboyy> there is no sudo vi dir
[10:25] <topyli> {cYanide}: in short: boot from a live cd or whatever to get into linux. chroot to your root partition. run grub-install
[10:25] <{cYanide}> sh
[10:25] <{cYanide}> rt
[10:25] <{cYanide}> erm
[10:25] <{cYanide}> i have... the install cd
[10:25] <BSG85> burnboyy type .. sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:25] <Stormx> burnboyy: sudo gedit /path/to/xorg/thefilehere.
[10:26] <AndieB> Java Runtime Enviroment, how in the hell do I install that...
[10:26] <burnboyy> where do you put that at?
[10:26] <burnboyy> there is no command line this is GUI
[10:26] <Dr_Melectaus> BSG85, how d i do that?
[10:26] <Stormx> burnboyy - in terminal.
[10:26] <burnboyy> OH
[10:26] <burnboyy> well why didn't you say so :P
[10:26] <burnboyy> sweet
[10:26] <Stormx> Cause its kinda obvios x.X
[10:26] <Chaotic_Reality> Is it possible to change the outgoing port from 25 to something different using Evolution?
[10:27] <Dr_Melectaus> BSG85, how d i do use chmod to change the dir privs?
[10:27] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality, its kinda traditional for mail to be on port 25
[10:27] <Chaotic_Reality> not if you use a major ISP in todays world :/
[10:27] <BSG85> what privs do you watn? if you want to open to all then chmod -R 777 <dirname>
[10:28] <Chaotic_Reality> I could use my ISPs outgoing mail server instead of mine but i'd rather not.  Might have to use thunderbird
[10:28] <AndieB> .
[10:28] <BSG85> if you want to learn about chmod goto http://catcode.com/teachmod/  everything u need to know is there
[10:29] <dazjorz> bonjour
[10:29] <dazjorz> lol
[10:29] <keith_> sorry about that got dced
[10:29] <shawarma> I need help with pbuilder... I want to use it to build a package, but I have another homegrown package that it depends on.. If I use --extrapackages it looks in the relevant repositories, but that's not what I want..
[10:29] <dazjorz> someone knows about a good unrar program ?
[10:29] <keith_> its still saying it cant find the xfce package
[10:29] <dazjorz> I used apt-get install unrar
[10:29] <shawarma> dazjorz: unrar, perhaps?
[10:29] <synd-> keith_: xfce4
[10:29] <dazjorz> but it gives me some shitty program that fails unrarring
[10:30] <shawarma> dazjorz: Try rar instead.
[10:30] <dazjorz> 33 files faile
[10:30] <dazjorz> thanks
[10:30] <Dr_Melectaus> BSG85, im in the dir just down. what the syntax to open it to all users with full permissions
[10:30] <dazjorz> Yeehaa, it worked ;-D
[10:30] <burnboyy> hmmm well it is blank in the terminal and says new file
[10:30] <dazjorz> Dammit
[10:30] <BSG85> chmod -R 777 <directoryname> that will open it to all
[10:31] <keith_> still aint workin
[10:31] <burnboyy> do i have to paste my old xorg in there and save somehow?
[10:31] <dazjorz> now i've got all these files in my current directory -.-'
[10:31] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers BSG85
[10:31] <BSG85> no burnboyy u have a spelling mistake somewhere
[10:31] <BSG85> u r most welcome Dr_Melectaus
[10:31] <burnboyy> hmmm
[10:31] <bimberi> !java
[10:31] <Woxxy> Hi there! My father and my half-brother are just starting out with linux and they basically just wants to surf the web, check their e-mail, write some word-documents, look at some .pdfs and listen to music while chatting with friends.  Which dist of ubuntu would be the best?
[10:31] <ubotu> [java]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:31] <dazjorz> wtf
[10:31] <burnboyy> i've tried a few
[10:32] <dazjorz> sdl-config: Command not found
[10:32] <dazjorz> gonna apt-get it
[10:32] <burnboyy> you wanted a space at sudo vi/ right?
[10:32] <dazjorz> can't find...
[10:32] <bimberi> AndieB: The java install info is in ubotu's post above :)
[10:32] <synd-> cant remember, where is sources.list
[10:32] <BSG85> okay easier way
[10:32] <Woxxy> thing is, they've been using winxp up until now, but i won't touch that computer anymore cause they always manage to get tons of spyware and viruses.
[10:32] <BSG85> type exactly what I type :)
[10:32] <burnboyy> LOL
[10:32] <BSG85> cd /etc/X11
[10:32] <burnboyy> i did before
[10:32] <Woxxy> so i decided to install ubuntu for them :)
[10:32] <Woxxy> anyone?
[10:32] <icewt> Woxxy, err.. the latest release of ubuntu
[10:32] <BSG85> when u r in the dir
[10:32] <BSG85> type
[10:32] <synd-> cant remember, where is sources.list
[10:33] <{cYanide}> im back erm
[10:33] <bimberi> Woxxy: This is a funny place to ask :) - ubuntu of course !!!
[10:33] <Woxxy> icewt: kubuntu, edubuntu or just plain ubuntu?
[10:33] <BSG85> sudo vi xorg.conf
[10:33] <Woxxy> bimberi: yeah, i know i want ubuntu, just not which one of those three
[10:33] <sun> yahoo! i got my Audigy 2 Value soundcard working :)
[10:33] <{cYanide}> im not sure how to er start the grub install,
[10:33] <vader1102> Woxxy: I have been using Hoary Ubuntu for 2 weeks now and it took very little setup for it
[10:33] <ogra> Woxxy, you dont want edubuntu :)
[10:33] <{cYanide}> all i have is the install cd
[10:33] <burnboyy> hmmm
[10:33] <ogra> Woxxy, its not installable currently
[10:34] <bimberi> Woxxy: k - yes, not edubuntu, but either of the other two and it comes down to personal preferences
[10:34] <Woxxy> i've tried kubuntu for a while, but i just think it seems so bloated, but maybe they'll find it easier than gnome
[10:34] <keith_> got it to work
[10:34] <keith_> thanks guys
[10:34] <{cYanide}> so er
[10:34] <{cYanide}> how would i reinstall grub again?
[10:34] <Woxxy> well... visually, i find gnome more attractive... guess i'll go with regular ubuntu then
[10:34] <burnboyy> hah jackpot
[10:34] <darkheart> Hello. I was trying out vnc on my Ubuntu box and everything seemed to work fine. However, when I logged into the X session, a window popped up saying something about conflicting settings with the X keyboard and gnome keyboard settings or such. I chose to go with the Gnome keyboard. Unfortuantely, when I try to type something in the vnc session, it seems the keys are mapped incorrectly. Where would I go to change that?
[10:34] <BSG85> Woot
[10:34] <burnboyy> the command lines are a bit different then dos
[10:34] <Chaotic_Reality> what is the best way to uninstall things?  can you do ap-get uninstall <packagename> ?
[10:34] <Woxxy> thanks, i was just wondering about edubuntu
[10:35] <{cYanide}> _
[10:35] <burnboyy> i can't believe you can have spaces in command lines
[10:35] <Stormx> huh?
[10:35] <Stormx> You CAN have spaces...
[10:35] <Kyral> like in filenames he means
[10:35] <Stormx> you just need to escape them.
[10:35] <Kyral> but you have to escape him
[10:35] <burnboyy> ya that is weird
[10:35] <Kyral> err
[10:35] <Kyral> them
[10:35] <darkheart> Chaotic_Reality It's apt-get remove <packagename>
[10:35] <bimberi> Woxxy: edubuntu is oriented towards use in schools
[10:35] <burnboyy> dos never allowed that
[10:35] <Kyral> DAMNIT!
[10:35] <BSG85> Chaotic_Reality get synaptic if you are new to apt
[10:35] <Chaotic_Reality> darkheart, thanks.
[10:35] <Chaotic_Reality> BSG85, whats that do?
[10:36] <Kyral> Chaotic_Reality, its the GUI frontend to Apt
[10:36] <Chaotic_Reality> BSG85, i understand apt-get, just need to get the syntax of everything down...i'm coming from a freebsd background mostly
[10:36] <BSG85> Chaotic_Reality gui interface .. does everything apt does.. only u don't have to worry about corrupting anything
[10:36] <Kyral> corrupting?
[10:36] <BSG85> ooo a fella BSder :) ... WOOT
[10:36] <Kyral> since when the hell can you corrupt with Apt?
[10:36] <Azmodan> Is it possible to make Ubuntu automatically run a command at shutdown ?
[10:36] <topyli> how does apt corrupt things?
[10:37] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality: Use synaptic, you 1338 f00
[10:37] <BSG85> u do .. and it's not nice when the db is corrupt .. then u fix it .. and that's a pain
[10:37] <Stormx> xD
[10:37] <Chaotic_Reality> is synaptic this software updates icon next to my lan icon and sound at the top right in ubuntu?
[10:37] <Kyral> No offense BSG85, but what are you on?
[10:37] <burnboyy> BSG85 well the file opend but it is just an expanation, the xorg.conf doesn't have the refresh rate
[10:38] <burnboyy> just some font stuff and directions to the manual
[10:38] <nJess> how does a gui that still uses the sli program prvent an "error" for the cli program?
[10:38] <BSG85> will it was something very nice :) Kyral  but I am not .. and yes it is possible to mess things up really bad with apt.. it's not something new
[10:38] <nJess> cli program8
[10:38] <dazjorz> how do I install the KDE desktop ?
[10:38] <dazjorz> just kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:38] <dazjorz> apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:39] <mabel> I want to apt-get install a language pack for mozilla-firefox, but it's not in my repository. What can I do?
[10:39] <Tomcat_> dazjorz: Should be it.
[10:39] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:39] <Stormx> mabel: you can download it as a .deb and isntall it.
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> Is there a Tutorial for installing XMMS skins on ubuntu?
[10:39] <dazjorz> Ok.
[10:39] <Tomcat_> Dr_Melectaus: Checked ubuntuforums?
[10:39] <Stormx> Dr_Melectaus: Its easy.
[10:39] <darkheart> Anyone have any idea on why the keyboard is mapped incorrectly for my vnc session? (i.e. pushing 'f' output 'h')
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> Tomcat_,  good call ;)
[10:39] <topyli> BSG85: well, if you can mess up stuff with apt, then you certainly can do the same with synaptic
[10:40] <crashd> how do you edit the launchbar in metacity?
[10:40] <mabel> Stormx, how would I install it?
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> Stormx,  fancy telling me in pm. i turned the file into a .gz, and put it in th skins dir but that didnt work
[10:40] <BSG85> I totally agree Topyli
[10:40] <Stormx> dpkg -i <package name>
[10:40] <Stormx> Will install a .deb file.
[10:41] <Kyral> forgot the sudo
[10:41] <darkheart> Dr_Melectaus Just throw the skins in your ~/.xmms/Skins folder and that should do it.
[10:41] <Stormx> Yep darkheart
[10:42] <topyli> :)
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> k darkheart
[10:42] <darkheart> I use xmms...Get some kind of error when trying to use Rhythmbox about not having anything to decode my mp3s.
[10:42] <crashd> use bmp!
[10:42] <synd-> topyli: beep media?
[10:42] <crashd> it's teh shit ;P
[10:42] <Stormx> BMP basicly IS XMMS xD
[10:42] <crashd> well
[10:43] <crashd> xmms with gtk2 ;)
[10:43] <crashd> which is far superior
[10:43] <synd-> Stormx: not exactly
[10:43] <Stormx> synd-: but pretty close.
[10:43] <topyli> synd-: i use rhythmbox mostly, but muine is pretty cool as well
[10:43] <djp> topyli, i am more than happy with rhythmbox... however i do currently need to use ogg123 in order to playback streaming radio as rhythmbox does have an issue with this at the current time
[10:43] <Stormx> bah
[10:43] <Tomcat_> rhythmbox \o/
[10:43] <crashd> how do you edit the launchbar in gnome ?
[10:43] <amp> howdy folks. just installed ubuntu (woo hoo!) I don't remember setting the root password during the install. Now I don't know what it is. How to change?
[10:43] <Tomcat_> crashd: Right click, add something.
[10:43] <Stormx> I love how you can use winamp skins with XMMS 2
[10:43] <crashd> Tomcat_: i tried that earlier :\
[10:43] <crashd> hmm
[10:43] <synd-> amp: you dont need root
[10:43] <topyli> djp: it does? my rhythmbox seems to be doing just fine
[10:43] <crashd> maybe my mouse is playing up
[10:43] <Stormx> I'm using the default winamp 5 skin ;-)
[10:44] <synd-> amp: sudo takes care of root for you
[10:44] <darkheart> amp root password is the user password.
[10:44] <AnD-> Question: How can I install the gnu c++ compiler with the apt-get command, apt-get install c++ doesn't work ?
[10:44] <djp> topyli: not with ogg streams no. you probably use mp3 streaming
[10:44] <bimberi> amp: there is none, the root account is disabled and you use sudo for superuser access
[10:44] <Chaotic_Reality> sweet. you can change the outgoing port in thunderbird.  bye bye evolution
[10:44] <Goodspeed> how do i cahnge folder permissions?
[10:44] <synd-> AnD-: sudo apt-get isntall build-essential
[10:44] <crashd> another thing that gripes me about metacity is the way it seems to take up more screenspace than it should
[10:44] <topyli> djp: yes, i mostly listen to somafm which has mp3 IIRC
[10:44] <AnD-> ok thanks
[10:44] <amp> so when I try to run the ubuntu update manager, and it prompts me for a password, what password do I provide?
[10:45] <Kyral> your user password
[10:45] <darkheart> amp your password
[10:45] <amp> okee dokee
[10:45] <synd-> amp: the password you entered when you installed ubuntu
[10:45] <synd-> entered/created
[10:45] <djp> topyli: mp3 streams are fine, it is ogg streams that have the problem. basically the first track will play fine, then when a second starts an error will occur...
[10:45] <Goodspeed> how do i change folder permissions?
[10:45] <darkheart> Is there a place to set the keyboard layout inside gnome?
[10:45] <bimberi> amp: that is - your user password
[10:45] <amp> so is the ubuntu update manager the "package manager"? I need to have emacs and it's not there by default.
[10:45] <djp> can't remeber the error message but it is logged as a bug with the maintainers of rhythmbox
[10:45] <darkheart> Goodspeed man chmod
[10:45] <bimberi> Goodspeed: chmod and chown
[10:45] <Ju1ce> Goodspeed: chmod
[10:46] <topyli> djp: actually, i'd use muine much more if it would handle streams. but stream support is not planned
[10:46] <Goodspeed> chmod what
[10:46] <Goodspeed> help
[10:46] <Goodspeed> nm
[10:46] <Ju1ce> chmod permissions file
[10:46] <whitti> Goodspeed: ie. chmod -R 755 folder
[10:46] <djp> ogg123 works fine for my ogg streams, so not really a big hassle. will just wait for a fix in rhythmbox ;)
[10:46] <Goodspeed> would that give me access to the folder?
[10:46] <KeeganW> I am about ready to trash ubuntu, I have been working for 2 days to get ndiswrapper to work, the people at the ndiswrapper IRC channel tell me it is a problem with the kernel
[10:46] <tlord___> In light of this discussion re: sudo / root, I wonder if anyone could tell me what I might have done to make my system (Hoary) stop recognizing me as its root and master? I can log in and do normal user things, but when I want to do anything that requires superuser power, it refuses to recognize my password. Any ideas?!
[10:46] <darkheart> Goodspeed Only if you own it. you can't chmod a file you don't own.
[10:47] <Goodspeed> even under root?
[10:47] <bimberi> amp: yes - system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[10:47] <darkheart> Goodspeed root can do anything.
[10:47] <KeeganW> it says the driver is installed, but it does not show up under networking
[10:47] <topyli> djp: well, you don't need much of an interface to listen to a radio stream all day :)
[10:47] <bimberi> amp: more info here ...
[10:47] <djp> exactly! :)
[10:47] <bimberi> !synaptic
[10:47] <ubotu> methinks synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:47] <djp> i even launch a lot of my music from emacs!
[10:47] <Goodspeed> how would i give my self access to a folder
[10:47] <Goodspeed> not just root
[10:48] <KeeganW> & I can't do anything with SUDO
[10:48] <topyli> djp: very leet ;)
[10:48] <lee> djp, what is your operating system. ubuntu or emacs? ;)
[10:48] <djp> ALT-X emms-play-all! ;)
[10:48] <bimberi> Goodspeed: chown <your-user-name> <foldername>
[10:48] <topyli> lee: emacs of course. linux just provides the device drivers
[10:48] <djp> lee: i do have to ask myself sometimes! ;)
[10:48] <lee> but of course!
[10:48] <{cYanide}> hey
[10:49] <Goodspeed> -R to do the entire directory?
[10:49] <{cYanide}> i fixed the grub,  er i basically started the installer, canceled, skipped to the er grub installer
[10:49] <topyli> haha
[10:49] <{cYanide}> BUT im wondering, where does the installer leave temp packages? etc it installs from
[10:49] <darkheart> Goodspeed You are gonna break something if you chmod -R  the / directory.
[10:49] <bimberi> tlord___: are you using the account you created during install?
[10:49] <Goodspeed> nooo
[10:49] <{cYanide}> i think i might have some tmp files around
[10:49] <Goodspeed> the wine directory
[10:49] <Goodspeed> dont worry
[10:49] <Goodspeed> :)
[10:49] <tlord___> bimberi: yup.
[10:49] <tlord___> It worked fine for quite some time :)
[10:50] <tlord___> But about a month ago went crazy.
[10:50] <MagiPink> I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a Share client for linux? :D
[10:50] <topyli> {cYanide}: /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:50] <darkheart> MagiPink What do you mean share?
[10:51] <omeg> Argh
[10:51] <MagiPink> I mean Share. The filesharing program. :3
[10:51] <topyli> share directories or share pr0n? :)
[10:51] <omeg> Downloading updates at 1200 B/s
[10:51] <MagiPink> It's called share. Heh.
[10:51] <tlord___> bimberi: I've been busy (and low on bandwidth) in that time, figured I would just burn the live CD iso and boot into it, then see if that let me edit appropriate files, but ... I can't even get it to boot from the Live CD now. (This is on an iBook; I hold down D at boot to force it to boot from the optical drive, but it's not working ...)
[10:51] <vader1102> MagiPink: do you mean p2p?
[10:51] <darkheart> MagiPink I see..No idea in that case.
[10:51] <omeg> This reminds me of my 14.4k modem...
[10:51] <Pega> vader1102, he means share
[10:51] <BSG85> do u mean like bittorrent?
[10:51] <Pega> :P
[10:51] <vader1102> k
[10:51] <topyli> MagiPink: never heard. there are clients for many networks, like gnutella
[10:51] <vader1102>  I will stay out of it then
[10:52] <bimberi> tlord___: hm - i was about to suggest booting from the livecd too :)
[10:52] <MagiPink> It's a Japanese program... and pretty much the only thing I feel the need to switch over to my windows partition for. xD
[10:52] <Pega> I njever heard of share either, but I guess it is some protocol too... :P
[10:52] <{cYanide}> topyli,  is that the only place the install stores stuff?
[10:52] <{cYanide}> cuz er the "base installer" started but i reset before it actually did bits
[10:52] <darkheart> MagiPink Try running it with wine.
[10:52] <{cYanide}> (but it was doing package stuff)
[10:52] <topyli> {cYanide}: the packages, yes
[10:53] <MagiPink> darkheart: I did... Doesn't work. ^^
[10:53] <Choubaka> Hm
[10:53] <{cYanide}> cool so i can remove all that?
[10:53] <Choubaka> Share and Winny don't work with wine unless you apply magicks
[10:53] <darkheart> MagiPink And you don't know what network it runs on?
[10:53] <bimberi> tlord___: open a terminal and type "groups", do you see an "admin" group in the list?
[10:53] <MagiPink> darkheart: No, not at all. :3
[10:53] <MagiPink> Choubaka: Eh?
[10:54] <darkheart> MagiPink I would try to find that out, then search for a linux client that supports that network.
[10:54] <Choubaka> darkheart: it's probably their own invention.
[10:54] <tlord___> bimberi: hold a sec :)
[10:54] <Pega> Everything good comes from japan. May it be anime, schoolgirls, or tentacle monsters raping schoolgirls in anime, it comes from japan. How am I not suprised that good file sharing programs come from japan too. MagiPink, does that program happen to habe tentacles in all the buttons and menus?
[10:54] <darkheart> Choubaka Yeah, you are probably right.
[10:54] <Choubaka> MagiPink: I found some instructions to make _winny_ work with wine.
[10:54] <tlord___> bimberi: Yes, "admin" is there.
[10:54] <Choubaka> I suppose they might be applicable to share too, since they mostly had to do with proper SJIS encoding support.
[10:54] <omeg> Hey, just curious: is there anybody else here who turned off anti-aliasing hinting? I think everything looks much better without it.
[10:55] <MagiPink> How keen. :3
[10:55] <Choubaka> MagiPink: however, that how-to required patching wine sources and stabbing the configs :(
[10:55] <Choubaka> so I didn't bother.
[10:55] <Pega> Anyways. Good nite everyone.
[10:55] <Stormx> I HAV RETURN'D AFTER MANY A PROBLEM BE SOLVED FOR YE NEWBIES!!!
[10:55] <crimsun> ...
[10:56] <Choubaka> Good to hear that.
[10:56] <Stormx> I thought so.
[10:56] <darkheart> Stormx You can solve my problem then =)
[10:56] <MagiPink> Choubaka: I think I'll just stick to having to switch over to windows for the one little thing then, as it seems I might break something if I tried. xD
[10:56] <Stormx> ok, what is your problem?
[10:56] <BSG85> bye guys .. I am gonna go swtich my wife off from Suse to Ubuntu :)
[10:56] <nubbe> How do I remove the text and decrease the size of icons in the nautilus "navigation bar" (with back forward home and so on)?
[10:56] <Stormx> nubbe: its in edit > preferences
[10:57] <bimberi> tlord___: You'll need to boot to recovery mode (for superuser access) and check the file /etc/sudoers
[10:57] <darkheart> Stormx I wanted to get vnc working. Everything did work fine (install, etc) but when I first loaded up my vnc session, I got a window telling me that there was a settings conflict between X and Gnome and asking me which I wanted to use. I chose Gnome. Now it seems the keys are mapped incorrectly. Pressing 'f' results in 'h' being ouputted.
[10:57] <tlord___> how do I boot to recovery mode?
[10:57] <crimsun> tlord___: choose the Rescue boot option
[10:57] <tlord___> bimberi: how do I boot to recovery mode? :)
[10:57] <tlord___> Ah, thanks.
[10:57] <jeffm> hey guys
[10:57] <tlord___> when I check that file, what might I then do?
[10:58] <Stormx> darkheart: haha.  What's the command line to remove a package including all config files?
[10:58] <lamont> but that's probably not the question..
[10:58] <nubbe> Stormx, it is?  Pls walk me thru it because I've looked a good many times.
[10:59] <Ju1ce> today I realized both Linux and irc are coming from the same country.
[10:59] <tlord___> bimberi: much appreciated! I will play a bit. First, I'm copying off what I can from the hard disk; I *can* mount an external disk (no su password required) and transfer off my various artifacts.
[10:59] <tlord___> I may be back on later, but not tonight ;)
[10:59] <bimberi> tlord___: I the following line in /etc/sudoers:
[10:59] <mgorbach228> Can someone help me out with installing ATI video card drivers?
[10:59] <mgorbach228> i just installed ubuntu and its not detecting the card
[10:59] <{cYanide}> er does anyone know how big on average the ubuntu install is?
[10:59] <mabel> It's downloading hell slow from Ubuntu's repositories? How can I find another mirror or something?
[10:59] <topyli> nubbe: actually, nautilus follows the gnome default which you can set in system -> prefs -> toolbars
[11:00] <bimberi> tlord___: dave    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[11:00] <Stormx> darkheart: Use synaptic
[11:00] <bimberi> tlord___: (where "dave" is my username)
[11:00] <mgorbach228> anyone?
[11:00] <bimberi> tlord___: you should have something similar
[11:00] <tlord___> ok
[11:00] <darkheart> Stormx Yeah..I will try that, but the problem is that I'm at work right now. So I have to use command line.
[11:00] <Stormx> {cYanide} not that big.
[11:01] <nubbe> topyli, Thanks a whole bunch, just what I was looking for  :)
[11:01] <{cYanide}> just paranoid now, its using 1.5ish gig, with all updates and few other bits
[11:01] <vladuz976> anybody having trouble with the nvidia drivers
[11:01] <{cYanide}> (paranoid about temp files left over from my dodgy grub reinstall)
[11:01] <bimberi> !tell mgorbach228 about ati
[11:02] <Stormx> topyli: I can't see that >_>
[11:02] <BSG85> Later Sormx :)
[11:02] <Stormx> cya ;-)
[11:03] <Stormx> !HELP MEH PLZ
[11:03] <BSG85> don't type too much :)
[11:03] <BSG85> LOL
[11:03] <burnboyy> ummm
[11:03] <Stormx> !help
[11:03] <topyli> Stormx: are you using ubuntu? :) system - prefs - menus and toolbars, change "toolbar button labels"
[11:03] <burnboyy> BSG85 now i'm stuck in 640X480 mode
[11:03] <Stormx> topyli: Yeh I saw that. Is there an equivilant for Fedora's Nauticus, though?
[11:03] <burnboyy> and the pic is still off center
[11:03] <Stormx> xD
[11:04] <{cYanide}> burnboyy er edit your monitor refresh /sync?
[11:04] <topyli> Stormx: no idea. does fedora ship gnome 2.10?
[11:04] <topyli> it's a gnome setting
[11:05] <Stormx> topyli: How can I get a location bar, along with up, backwards and forwards buttons in Nautilus?
[11:05] <ags06> has anyone gotten realplayer to work in ubuntu
[11:05] <Stormx> Why would you want realplayer?
[11:05] <ags06> how then would i play rm files
[11:05] <{cYanide}> i got realplayer n acrobat on me mobile XD
[11:05] <BSG85> realplayer working great under ubuntu :)
[11:06] <ags06> mine install fine without errors but fails to start
[11:06] <synd-> ags06: use totem-xine
[11:06] <topyli> Stormx: use the old-style browser mode. right click on any folder and choose "browse folder", or choose "file browser" from the applications -> system menu
[11:06] <avanspronsen> darkheart: try sudo apt-get --purge remove <package>
[11:07] <nubbe> topyli, What is "Editable menu accelerators"? It isn't covered in help...
[11:07] <Stormx> haha topyli: thats still nautilus!
[11:07] <Stormx> nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U
[11:07] <MagiPink> explore2fs just become one of my new best friends. :3
[11:07] <darkheart> avanspronsen Hey =) Just tried that. Although the reinstall didn't fix anything.
[11:09] <topyli> Stormx: of course
[11:09] <lurah> hmm
[11:09] <ags06> have anyone noticed that when installing certain packages the mouse (ps/2) would seize to work
[11:10] <ags06> the development ones
[11:10] <topyli> nubbe: i seem to remember there's a keyboard hack where you can hover over a menu item and press a key and it will be your new shortcut to that item
[11:10] <Stormx> topyli: you smartass ;-)
[11:10] <vader1102> ok, I have a valid win98 EULA and I am trying to run a popular chat on wine, but the problem is when I right click the the file and choos open with wine, it opens the setup but and I find that it cannot write the shortcuts, I cannot find where it puts the program to run, what am I doing wrong?
[11:10] <lurah> do i have a problem here or im i just stupid. when ill go root terminal, sometimes it wants password but sometimes wont. also when i install something, it wants password sometimesd but sometimes wont?
[11:10] <topyli> nubbe: that's it. hover the mouse on an item and press ctrl+<any-key> to set that as the shortcut
[11:11] <topyli> Stormx: heh
[11:11] <bimberi> lurah: no problem :) - once you put the password in it doesn't ask again for 15 minutes
[11:11] <darkheart> lurah Time delay..Once you authenticate you don't have to do it again for a while. But after a certain amount of time, you gotta do it again.
[11:11] <BSG85> where is the anykey?
[11:11] <Stormx> lurah: It depends on whether you need the password. On linux systems, you just don't control everything
[11:11] <nubbe> topyli, Yeah, thanks again
[11:11] <lurah> bimberi,  ok, its ok imho :D
[11:11] <topyli> Stormx: ph33r my gn0m3 skillz!
[11:11] <Stormx> toptli:OMGWTFBBQ!
[11:12] <BSG85> ROFLMAO
[11:12] <topyli> heh
[11:12] <BSG85> night night
[11:12] <vladuz976> {look;find;talk;grep;touch;finger;find;flex;unzip; mount;workbone;
[11:12] <vladuz976> fsck;yes;gasp;fsck;yes;eject;umount;makeclean;zip; split;done;exit}
[11:12] <topyli> bah. old
[11:12] <Stormx> topyli: You are so 1337 that your 1338
[11:12] <topyli> Stormx: and don't you forget it :)
[11:13] <pvh> Hi, I'm running Kubuntu Hoary and I'm getting hard lockups. I haven't been able to find anything in the forums or the logs that might clue me in to the problem.
[11:13] <topyli> lol
[11:13] <Stormx> ^_______________________________________________________________^;;
[11:13] <darkheart> Where do gnome and X set the keyboard mapping?
[11:13] <synd-> naim is amazing
[11:13] <pvh> A list of symptoms: My display locks up, but the pointer keeps moving. If I am listening to a song, it plays to the end but the next one doesn't start. I can SSH in and see that xorg is eating all my ticks, but it can't be killed by any means.
[11:14] <topyli> synd-: that's the ncurses app?
[11:14] <pvh> I'm not running DAMAGE or RENDER.
[11:14] <synd-> topyli: CLI aim app
[11:14] <topyli> yeah
[11:14] <synd-> dunno what ncurses is..
[11:15] <pvh> The crash seems to happen at random -- I thought it was firefox so I started using Konq more, but it crashes in Konq too.
[11:15] <topyli> synd-: it's a library for console apps to make simple guis. like mc and aptitude and many others
[11:15] <pvh> s/crashes/freezes/
[11:15] <synd-> topyli: ah, ok
[11:15] <pvh> My system is so unstable now that I've actually been booting into windows when I need to do anything serious.
[11:15] <topyli> very disturbing
[11:15] <Stormx> pvh: don't use kubuntu
[11:15] <Azmodan> I chose to have the clock based on GMT during the install but I changed my mind (another hard disk running windows).  Which file do I have to change ?
[11:15] <pvh> Stormx: is it known to have freeze bugs?
[11:16] <pvh> Stormx: I didn't see anything that matched my symptoms in the forums.
[11:16] <Stormx> pvh: Don't know, but ubuntu is the more mainstream so I'd imagine it has better support for different setups
[11:16] <topyli> pvh: might be hardware too
[11:16] <pvh> Stormx: Oh, right. I forgot to mention that -- my girlfriend is using a Gnome session and reports lockups too.
[11:17] <pvh> topyli: That's my fear. Can you recommend a diagnostic tool?
[11:17] <Stormx> :-/
[11:17] <Stormx> What are your system specs?
[11:17] <pvh> The worst is that my filesystem is getting munged.
[11:17] <mgorbach228> can someone explain why i dont have an /etc/x11/xorg.conf file?
[11:17] <pvh> AMD Athlon 1800XP, Geforce Ti4400
[11:17] <mgorbach228> or an /etc/x11 directory at all??
[11:18] <topyli> pvh: for RAM, there's memtest86. for disks, smartmontools. for processors, crash (or something like crash)
[11:18] <pvh> topyli: Thanks a lot.
[11:18] <mgorbach228> someone? please?
[11:18] <mgorbach228> lol nm .. wrong caps
[11:18] <carlson> mgorbach228, yes?
[11:18] <Stormx> mgorbach: You've installed ubuntu?
[11:19] <topyli> pvh: no, crash is a kernel debugging utility. crashme is a better general stress test
[11:19] <pvh> Stormx: And to you as well. Thanks.
[11:19] <pvh> topyli: Perfect.
[11:19] <Stormx> OK I'll brb
[11:19] <carlson> how about running ununtu as a server? is it a good idea?
[11:20] <MagiPink> Huh... If I was to use VMware or some such to have a small virtual windows machine running in Ubuntu, is there a way to get files from my Ubuntu into the virtual machine?
[11:20] <Stormx> !How much do you love me?
[11:20] <ubotu> Stormx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:20] <Stormx> rofl
[11:20] <carlson> MagiPink,  I am running right now ubuntu on vmware :) and theres a way
[11:20] <Stormx> !What is the meaning of life?
[11:20] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Stormx
[11:20] <carlson> MagiPink, you have to configure samba and the network settings for vmware
[11:21] <Stormx> !What is ubuntu?
[11:21] <ubotu> Stormx: what are you talking about?
[11:21] <MagiPink> How keen.
[11:21] <Stormx> !help What is Ubuntu?
[11:21] <Stormx> !help
[11:21] <synd-> Stormx: play with the bot in PM, please
[11:21] <avanspronsen> MagiPink: You can use VMWare shared folders to do just that
[11:21] <Stormx> synd-: I am
[11:21] <MagiPink> Thank you. :D
[11:22] <avanspronsen> MagiPink: Shared folders can be found on the settings tab under VM
[11:22] <Stormx> synd-: It doesn't reply when i PM it.
[11:22] <Stormx> anyway, bbr
[11:22] <synd-> Stormx: take off the !
[11:22] <MagiPink> avanspronsen: Thans. :)
[11:22] <MagiPink> Thanks*
[11:23] <avanspronsen> MagiPink: NP
[11:23] <MagiPink> Well, speaking of which... I need to bop over to my Ubuntu partition, as windows tires me... BRB. xD
[11:26] <MagiPink> That's the stuff.
[11:27] <a514> Hi the Live CD works great. What option do i use at the boot prompt for a textmode cli?
[11:28] <Dr_Fate> FF stopped browsing
[11:28] <Dr_Fate> WTF is wrong with this browser
[11:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> a514
[11:28] <Dr_Fate> I have never had so many problems with it
[11:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> use ctrl + alt +F1
[11:28] <a514> Dr_Fate go to about and check the version for 1.0.6
[11:29] <Dr_Fate> its the right version
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> its just loading and loading and loading
[11:30] <yuacht> flicka med msn?
[11:30] <MagiPink> Oooh... One other thing... Is there a way to make Limewire actually minimize to a little icon on the panel like gaim does? 'Cause when it's set to minimize to task bar.... IT just knd of disappears.
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> MagiPink, no, and Limewire is dead
[11:30] <codecaine> limewire is dead?
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> google it
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> there was an article
[11:31] <Eddie> I just started using ubuntu and was wondering if anyone can help me install KDE on my box?
[11:31] <crispynix-v6> anyone else missing libglu1-xorg in breezy?
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> the developers are leaving it due to RIAA
[11:31] <MagiPink> I just used it yesterday? :3
[11:31] <Goodspeed> whats the password for root?
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> Eddie, kubuntu
[11:31] <mgorbach228> ok ... just update to ati drivers and my monitor is showing nothing
[11:31] <a514> Bubbling_Zombie Thanks. I have a prb. Kubuntu stalls when KDM loads and says - id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes - no more processes left in this runlevel
[11:31] <Eddie> Dr_fate, something is wrong with my burner
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> Goodspeed, you have to create one, use sudo
[11:31] <codecaine> dr fate, works for me
[11:31] <codecaine> Eddie, install kubuntu
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, did not say it does not work
[11:31] <crispynix-v6> Eddie: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings
[11:31] <vader1102> Dr_Fate: works for me too
[11:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> a514 , i have little to no experience with kdm , nor with the livecd
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> jesus
[11:32] <Goodspeed> how do i do that?
[11:32] <codecaine> dr_, what u mean by dead?
[11:32] <Goodspeed> sudo password?
[11:32] <mgorbach228> can somoene help me out?
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, google it
[11:32] <vader1102> google says nothing bout it being dead
[11:32] <Eddie> I have kubuntu but can't burn it because something is wrong with my burner
[11:32] <a514> Dr
[11:32] <MagiPink> Google doesn't say anything about Limewire being dead... and the Limewire site looks okay. :3
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> vader1102, search dslreports p2p section
[11:32] <codecaine> vader1102, don't see anything on it either
[11:32] <synd-> MagiPink: limewire is terrible
[11:32] <codecaine> can we be more specific on the issue please?
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> synd, RIGHT!
[11:32] <synd-> where is the soruces.list?
[11:32] <Goodspeed> how do i set a password for root?
[11:33] <MagiPink> synd-, I don't know any alternatives. xD
[11:33] <synd-> sources.list
[11:33] <codecaine> limewire rocks, how is it terrible?
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, I just told you exactly what I meant above
[11:33] <mgorbach228> the system boots in recovery mode
[11:33] <synd-> MagiPink: gtk-gnutella
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> very specific
[11:33] <mgorbach228> but when trying to initialize xorg i can no graphics
[11:33] <a514> Eddie, i do not recommend the lastest. It just stalls.
[11:33] <emX> Goodspeed: unless you need the root account for some specific reason, try to use sudo.
[11:33] <synd-> codecaine: java apps are terrible
[11:33] <Goodspeed> i need the root account for somethign specifi
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> synd, exatly
[11:33] <Eddie> oh, I just want a stable
[11:33] <emX> Goodspeed: what, exactly?
[11:33] <Vjaz> Hiya.
[11:33] <Goodspeed> make install of wine using the cvs
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> Goodspeed, if you don't know how to get root, I doubt you need it
[11:34] <synd-> where is sources.list at?
[11:34] <Dr_Fate> Goodspeed, sudo will work for that
[11:34] <Goodspeed> it asks for root password
[11:34] <emX> Goodspeed: sudo will do that -- 'sudo make install'
[11:34] <Dr_Fate> synd, where everything is /etc
[11:34] <Vjaz> Anyone know the correct method to boot Windows XP from Grub? I found some instructions to do that, but couldn't get it to work. Anyone with a working config file for this?
[11:34] <avanspronsen> synd-: /etc/apt
[11:34] <synd-> !repos
[11:34] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:34] <emX> Goodspeed: it wants *your* user password, not roots (the root account is disabled)
[11:34] <Dr_Fate> Vjaz, thats done automagically
[11:34] <ubuntu_> what is the root password on the live cd?
[11:34] <Vjaz> Dr_Fate: wasn't in my case
[11:35] <synd-> Dr_Fate, avanspronsen: thanks
[11:35] <emX> ubuntu_: there is none.
[11:35] <Dr_Fate> synd, np
[11:35] <emX> ubuntu_: use sudo.
[11:35] <ubuntu_> emX, it asks me for a password when i su
[11:35] <ubuntu_> ah ok
[11:35] <Vjaz> Dr_Fate: It could be that my XP installation is broken though.
[11:35] <Vjaz> Dr_Fate: But do you know the right configuration if I want to do it manually?
[11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone no any good system monitoring software that has a GUI and says shiz about How much of the CPU is being used, ram, emails etc etc
[11:36] <shido> any news on getting a conexant capture card to play SOUND yet in ubuntu? I get the TV picture clear as day but no soun - let alone the radio features of the card
[11:36] <weejamer> Does anyone know how i can mount a single drive on a raid controller
[11:36] <omeg> Ack
[11:36] <omeg> Firefox tried to auto-install the Flash plug-in, but it failed.
[11:37] <omeg> I wonder why.
[11:37] <omeg> Maybe it's because I'm downloading updates.
[11:37] <weejamer> that happened to me too omeg
[11:37] <vader1102> well, time for me to go visit a customer or 2, I will return sometime tonight
[11:37] <mgorbach228> can someone help me out?
[11:37] <omeg> I wonder what the problem is
[11:37] <omeg> You have any idea, weejamer?
[11:37] <mgorbach228> i cant figure out why xorg is not working with my monitor once i updated ati fglrx drivers
[11:38] <mcphail> shido: no specific ideas, but maybe you're card has the same trouble as a lot of other things with ESD?
[11:38] <mcphail> *your
[11:38] <weejamer> no omeg i tried to manual install but i have other problems at the moment
[11:38] <weejamer> Does anyone know how i can mount a single drive on a raid controller
[11:38] <codecaine> anyone in here using cisco client?
[11:38] <mgorbach228> i have no idea what the problem is
[11:38] <shido> mcphail, it took me 3 days to figure out how to get sound working in ubuntu -
[11:38] <shido> :)
[11:38] <shido> let me plug the card back in and try it
[11:38] <shido> brb
[11:39] <mgorbach228> no one?
[11:39] <weejamer> no omeg i tried to manual install but i have other problems at the moment
[11:39] <weejamer> Does anyone know how i can mount a single drive on a raid controller
[11:40] <avanspronsen> omeg: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:40] <codecaine> weejamer, raid controllers are for use with 2 or more drives right?
[11:41] <codecaine> put the drive in the hardware raid and mount it
[11:42] <xquizit> Hi, does anyone here use xfce??
[11:42] <Blissex> xquizit: consider #XFCE and asking more detailed questions.
[11:43] <synd-> xquizit: many do
[11:43] <DaSkreech> E!!!
[11:43] <xquizit> ok, it's just a simple question. but i'll ask there :)
[11:44] <sm> hi ubuntites
[11:44] <LinuxJones> sm, welcome
[11:44] <sm> breezy colony 2 installer hangs on my dell inspiron 1100 after copying all files from the cd.. would anyone have any insight ?
[11:45] <Syco54645> how how do i burn cds with the live cd?
[11:45] <seth_k> Colony 2 is quite unstable
[11:45] <LinuxJones> It's unusually quiet in here right now
[11:45] <ompaul> Syco54645, which drive is your burner?
[11:46] <sm> I see.. was colony 1 better ?
[11:46] <Syco54645> um well in udev it is /dev/cdroms/cdrom1
[11:46] <Syco54645> i have 2 burners
[11:46] <Doonz> is there a command that allows me to see how much bw my card is putting out
[11:46] <Syco54645> but that is the free one
[11:46] <ompaul> Syco54645, actually you can try cdrecord -pad dev=/dev/cdroms/cdrom1 some.iso
[11:47] <sm> I have to reinstall, and I'd prefer not to use old hoary for it
[11:47] <Syco54645> ompaul: ok i just did a scanbus on cdrecord and it yelled at me... i never got it to work with ide drives though
[11:47] <ompaul> Syco54645, that is what it does at me but that command works :)
[11:47] <Syco54645> ok
[11:47] <Syco54645> kool
[11:48] <Syco54645> i just need to put it into dao mode then
[11:48] <Syco54645> unless i cant
[11:48] <ompaul> Syco54645, and just for fun I burn lots of linux and ubuntu for peeps
[11:48] <avanspronsen> sm:why not reinstall using hoary and upgrade?
[11:48] <mgorbach228> can someone help me out?
[11:48] <mgorbach228> i cant figure out why xorg is not working with my monitor once i updated ati fglrx drivers
[11:48] <sm> if there's no better cd image, I'll do that
[11:48] <Syco54645> ompaul, if you want to have alot of fun why not get me a harddrive :P that way i dont need to use a live cd for a computer
[11:49] <sm> also I wonder if I'm looking in the right place for installer bug reports ? bugzilla -> advanced search -> Ubuntu -> 5.10
[11:49] <ompaul> Syco54645, cds cheap :) hard drives expensive here - 250 for 120
[11:50] <Syco54645> ompaul, wow i get a 200 gig for 100 usd here
[11:50] <Syco54645> i just dont have the money to get oine now
[11:50] <cloudr> anybody knows any tool for linux similar to partionmagic able to convert ntfs to fat32 (without destroying the data)
[11:50] <Syco54645> crap why is it when i type "cdrecord --help | grep -i dao" it doesnt grep?
[11:51] <lurah> darn
[11:51] <lurah> cant get my ess 18xx work here :(
[11:51] <xquizit> hey, eariler today I noticed that there was an update for gzip. but once I loged out I got an error. it said something about bonobo and I can do anything other then look at my desktop :S
[11:51] <ompaul> Syco54645, well a live CD is not a full install
[11:52] <Syco54645> still grep should work
[11:52] <mindmedic> cloudr, i dont know, but if you want to access the files on your windows partition you could give captive-ntfs a try
[11:52] <ompaul> Syco54645, only if the doc is there
[11:52] <codecaine> gtk-gnutella won't even download a gosh darn file how is this a great program?
[11:52] <Syco54645> ompaul, when i type cdrecord --help it displays stuff
[11:52] <Syco54645> it is just going to the wrong stdout or something
[11:52] <Syco54645> i forget how to fix it now
[11:53] <Doonz> is there a command that shows the current speed my nick is sending and receiving at
[11:53] <Doonz> nic*
[11:53] <xquizit> also I tried running nautilus form the cli and nothing happend :(
[11:53] <Syco54645> does anyone know if ubuntu uses a devfs type thing?
[11:53] <cloudr> mindmedic: it is just a matter of having reliable read/write access to a windows partition
[11:53] <mindmedic> :D
[11:54] <mindmedic> it works for me, but sure, theres no guarantee
[11:54] <Syco54645> w00t guess it doesnt or i am unfamiliar with how it is working
[11:54] <ompaul> Syco54645, wrong stdout - emm - the other one prints and emm --- grep is not > or < so I have a lot of trouble with that idea
[11:54] <mindmedic> cloudr, is it a boot partition?
[11:55] <cloudr> dev/hda1
[11:55] <Syco54645> ompaul, i know what i mean, i just dont feel like explaining it... basically it is that it is grepping something that isnt there because it is using a different stdout or some crap
[11:55] <Syco54645> but it still displays
[11:55] <mindmedic> cloudr, sry, i meant is windows installed on it?
[11:55] <Eddie> I need some help installing KDE on Ubuntu, and I can't get kubuntu because my cd-rom doesn't seem to work
[11:55] <mgorbach228> can someone help me out?
[11:55] <mgorbach228> i cant figure out why xorg is not working with my monitor once i updated ati fglrx drivers
[11:56] <mgorbach228> no one on this forum is willing to help? come on?
[11:56] <Syco54645> oh crap this cdrecord doesnt support dvds
[11:56] <ompaul> Syco54645, then redirect it to echo
[11:56] <Vjaz> that's why it's not called dvdrecord
[11:56] <mgorbach228> someone must know ...
[11:56] <Syco54645> Vjaz, there is a version that does
[11:56] <Vjaz> Syco54645: all right :-)
[11:56] <Syco54645> ompaul, yeah that is a fix, but considering that i am on a live cd id rather not fix it now
[11:57] <Syco54645> does anyone know how i could burn a dvd with the live cd?
[11:57] <cloudr> mindmedic: yes it is
[11:58] <topyli> hmm. i hear the new windows (if it's ever released) will finally have a proper command line shell
[11:58] <Deviant_> Whens the next ubuntu release?
[11:58] <Ju1ce> Syco54645: Why to use live cd btw?
[11:58] <topyli> Deviant_: september
[11:58] <frank_> october
[11:58] <topyli> heh
[11:58] <ompaul> Deviant_, oct ~ 15th
[11:58] <topyli> october yes
[11:58] <avanspronsen> Deviant_: october
[11:58] <Deviant_> Whats the new ubuntu looking like?
[11:58] <mgorbach228> why does no one answer?
[11:58] <petti> topyli: yeah, slashdot already has five exploits announced for it :)
[11:58] <Deviant_> any info on it?
[11:58] <topyli> petti: that's what i'm reading :)
[11:58] <Syco54645> Ju1ce, because i have no harddrive for my main drive... it died and all i have is my two dump drives that i am not going to format
[11:58] <ompaul> mgorbach228, maybe no person knows
[11:58] <petti> :)
[11:59] <Chromance> hrm
[11:59] <ompaul> mgorbach228, and maybe the person who knows is not here
[11:59] <mindmedic> cloudr, maybe check gnu parted, but i doubt there is a free utility out there that can keep your win partition healthy when converting it
[11:59] <ompaul> mgorbach228, or busy and will be with you in 5 mins
[12:00] <crashd> hmm


[20:09] <mamarley> ricotz: 440.26 is in https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages :)
[20:11] <ricotz> mamarley, great :) , please push to the ppa if you think it is works, I don't think I will have time to look at it
[20:11] <mamarley> ricotz: OK.  I haven't actually had a chance to test it while physically looking at the monitor of the PC I installed it on, so after I do that, I will push it.
[20:12] <mamarley> (I only tested it over VNC.)
[20:24] <ricotz> mamarley, thanks!


[17:52] <DomasoFan> hi all.
[17:53] <DomasoFan> anyone found that one? currently in ubuntu 12.04 with all updates it seems that LibreOffice Writer seems to some issues when navigating through text. it says blank and repeats the line its landing 2 times.
[17:55] <w0jrl> I have noticed this as well.
[18:03] <w0jrl> Does anyone know if the Pidgin script was removed from Orca? I'm running 12.04, and there is no Pidgin tab in the Orca custom preferences for Pidgin.


[22:45] <cymon> hi everybody!
[22:45] <neversfelde> yeah, thats the schedule :)
[22:45] <buntunub> # 1.5 May 12th, 2009: Release KDE 4.3 Beta 1
[22:45] <neversfelde> buntunub: probably it is delayed :)
[22:45] <burner> help!?!?  I have no kicker... err...whatever the bar is called now, how do i get it back?
[22:45] <neversfelde> it is a beta version, though...
[22:46] <buntunub> ya i know
[22:46] <neversfelde> burner: conext menue on desktop + add panel or something like that. Sorry german Desktop here
[22:46] <buntunub> if there is a guide for upgrading via svn i will do it that way when the time comes but not sure how
[22:46] <neversfelde> s/conext/context
[22:46] <BluesKaj> burner:  right click on the desktop . choose add widgets find the kicker
[22:48] <burner> the kicker is not in my list of widgets?!?
[22:48] <burner> what's the name of it specifically?
[22:48] <neversfelde> there is no kicker in KDE4
[22:49] <BluesKaj> application Launch
[22:49] <burner> I have an application launcher, but it just floats on my desktop... i have no... uhh... Dock?  Bar?  WTF is it called these days?
[22:49] <BluesKaj> panel
[22:50] <burner> aww, thats it!  it doesn't show panel in my list of widgets either though
[22:50] <BluesKaj> right click on the desktop add panel
[22:50] <burner> in kde?
[22:50] <neversfelde> yes :)
[22:50] <burner> that's a gnomey kind of thing to add panel
[22:50] <djbello> Hi there
[22:51] <buntunub> you can use lancelot too
[22:51] <BluesKaj> dunno I ran gnome for one day and switched ...to much brown
[22:51] <burner> grr... i just want a panel :(
[22:51] <djbello> I'd like to download Kubuntu 9.04 Desktop fir i386 architecture via Jigdo, but I can't find the jigdo files nor the template files. Anybody got an idea?
[22:51] <BluesKaj> to
[22:51] <BluesKaj> err too much brown
[22:51] <neversfelde> burner: right click on desktop => add panel
[22:51] <buntunub> funny too that good ol stable GNOME is now going crazy with GNOME 3.0
[22:52] <ramblerouser> how good is the driver support for ati graphics cards on intrepid 8.10?
[22:52] <ramblerouser> would i be able to do any gaming at all?
[22:52] <burner> neversfelde: there is no "add panel" in my right click menu on the desktop
[22:52] <buntunub> everyone gonna switch to kde4 as the new stable DE lol
[22:52] <neversfelde> burner: widgets are unlocked?
[22:53] <neversfelde> it is the green + symbol
[22:53] <burner> neversfelde: aww... i know :)  I had folderview as my entire desktop... i switched the Type to "desktop" instead of "folderview" in my appearance settings and I can now right click to add panel... thanks!
[22:53] <neversfelde> burner: ok :D
[22:55] <ramblerouser> so...is there any way to play a game such as wow if I'm running an ati graphics card?
[22:55] <ramblerouser> i'm downgrading from jaunty to intrepid, what's the support like for that if i'm running a radeon x1400?
[22:56] <djbello> Is jigdo out of style?
[22:58] <burner> djbello: yes :)
[22:59] <burner> http://torrent.ubuntu.com is where I get my release fixes
[22:59] <ubuntu> whats the deal with 9.04 not being able to connect to wep wireless points, or even connect to a wired connection?
[22:59] <burner> ubuntu: i'm wired ehre
[22:59] <ubuntu> kubuntu just tells me it fails
[23:00] <ubuntu> im sure hoping gparted doesnt fail on me lol, im waiting on it to finish
[23:00] <neversfelde> ubuntu: use knetworkmanager instead of plasma-widget-networkmanager or test a newer version from the experimental repo
[23:01] <ubuntu> ill try that
[23:01] <ubuntu> gparted is staring at me =/
[23:01] <neversfelde> last step would be to switch to network-manager-gnome until plasma-widget-networkmanager is in a working state for you
[23:04] <kasumi> Anyone here that can help?
[23:04] <neversfelde> kasumi: sure, anyone is here
[23:04] <ubuntu> how do i release a locked process
[23:04] <neversfelde> but I do not know, if he can help^^
[23:04] <kasumi> ^^
[23:05] <ubuntu> !locked
[23:05] <kasumi> I just installed Kubuntu for the first time, and nothing seems to be working right (minus the web browser and IRC)
[23:06] <neversfelde> well, that are at least two things :). You should specifiy your problem a bit?
[23:06] <kasumi> Amarok opens, but it won't play anything.  I tried to install Banshee and then it told me that my Intltool was out of date, so I tried to update that, but then it said I didn't have gettext.
[23:08] <neversfelde> mhh, did you install libxine1-ffmpeg befor playing mp3 files?
[23:08] <kasumi> So I tried fixing that, and gettext is now giving me errors.
[23:08] <kasumi> ...no v.v;
[23:08] <neversfelde> I am not familiar with banshee, that is a gnome app
[23:09] <neversfelde> try sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg and restart amarok
[23:09] <neversfelde> after that it should giv you sound
[23:09] <neversfelde> s/giv/give
[23:10] <kasumi> "Couldn't find package libxinel-ffmpeg"
[23:11] <dwidmann> kasumi: that's strange, it's in main
[23:11] <kasumi> kasumi@JROCKist:~$ sudo apt-get install libxinel-ffmpeg
[23:11] <kasumi> [sudo] password for kasumi:
[23:11] <kasumi> Reading package lists... Done
[23:11] <kasumi> Building dependency tree
[23:11] <kasumi> Reading state information... Done
[23:11] <kasumi> E: Couldn't find package libxinel-ffmpeg
[23:11] <kasumi> kasumi@JROCKist:~$
[23:11] <neversfelde> thats libxine(0ne)
[23:11] <neversfelde> no L
[23:12] <neversfelde> libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:12] <kasumi> libxine1-ffmpeg is already the newest version.
[23:13] <kasumi> But...I have sound now o_o
[23:13] <neversfelde> mhh
[23:13] <kasumi> *happy brain crash*
[23:13] <neversfelde> kasumi: purge that banshee thing :D
[23:14] <kasumi> hahaha who needs banshee when I have sound now ^^
[23:14] <neversfelde> I am off, gn8
[23:14] <kasumi> Thank you ^^
[23:21] <juan_> hi
[23:21] <juan_> ok
[23:23] <Zlobomir> Hello
[23:23] <Zlobomir> Do you read me?
[23:24] <rmrfslash> How can I start a VNC server from the command lin
[23:24] <Zlobomir> Do you read me?
[23:24] <Zlobomir> Hello
[23:24] <Zlobomir> I guess like with everything, type appy name
[23:25] <Zlobomir> or ~ "sudo kVNC"
[23:25] <Zlobomir> kVNC = your vnc soft
[23:25] <Zlobomir> Now my pain :P
[23:26] <Zlobomir> Installed 9.04 over 8.10 and after it, 9.10
[23:26] <Zlobomir> With sudo update-manager -d
[23:27] <Zlobomir> How can I do a rollback?
[23:27] <Zlobomir> almost nothing works on 9.10
[23:27] <Zlobomir> I guess I was too early
[23:28] <rmrfslash> Zlombir: Why install 9.10?
[23:28] <Zlobomir> Umm, call it curiosity + stupidity
[23:28] <Zlobomir> U know, it is a bad habbit to ask why :D
[23:28] <rmrfslash> Zlombir: I don't think there's a roolback feature
[23:28] <Zlobomir> We are people, we do mistakes
[23:29] <Zlobomir> << all the time
[23:29] <rmrfslash> Zlombir: are we?
[23:29] <Zlobomir> Well, I bleed
[23:29] <Zlobomir> Do you? ;)
[23:29] <rmrfslash> Zlobomir: I aint got time to bleed.
[23:29] <Zlobomir> Geez, I am male
[23:30] <Zlobomir> Now pls help me if you can, pls
[23:30] <rmrfslash> Zlobomir: it's a bad habit to install pre-alpha software on a machine you need to rollback if it doesn't work.
[23:31] <Zlobomir> oh well, I have Vista on it as well
[23:31] <Zlobomir> And as long as I type via this 9.10, nowt so bad
[23:32] <Zlobomir> atm update manager is spitting some error about some package, which is also in konqueror
[23:32] <Zlobomir> blackbox is mentioned
[23:32] <Zlobomir> box of Pandora? :(
[23:33] <Zlobomir> It is 1:30 AM here
[23:33] <dwidmann> Zlobomir: your best option for rolling back is a reinstall
[23:33] <Zlobomir> Great, so in this regard Linux is similar to Windows? :D
[23:34] <Zlobomir> grub will go to *
[23:34] <Zlobomir> Vista will go to *
[23:34] <dwidmann> downgrading isn't impossible ... it's just fraught with difficulty and has plenty of places for you to run into problems. It's generally easier to reinstall
[23:35] <Zlobomir> Just the case for me :)
[23:35] <Zlobomir> Gimme the rollback line
[23:35] <BluesKaj> use GParted live cd tp reformat the linux ext3 partiton without affecting the windows part
[23:35] <Zlobomir> Or should I google?
[23:35] <rmrfslash> Zlobmoir: is there any software that supports a "rollback"?
[23:35] <dwidmann> Zlobomir: there's no one liner here
[23:36] <Zlobomir> Win supports some driver rollback
[23:36] <Zlobomir> And all the "brandy" machines
[23:36] <dwidmann> Zlobomir: You'll need to edit /etc/apt/preferences and pin 9.04 to a priority of 1001 or higher I think, then do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:36] <kaddi> ok, this is getting freaky... I had konversation opened earlier, then my X-server died and I had to login again. Ever since then I have a clone of myself idling in this channel... what should I do? :D restarting X or konversation doesn't change anything
[23:37] <Zlobomir> Which come with Win on HDD
[23:37] <Zlobomir> kaddi: Is that you or your clone, to start with. Show some ID
[23:37] <Zlobomir> Not cloned ID
[23:37] <dwidmann> kaddi: if you have the nick registered, you can /msg nickserv ghost nick  passwd
[23:38] <Zlobomir> Sorry, I have a sick sense of humor
[23:38] <juan_> spanis
[23:38] <kaddi> dwidmann: I did ghost my nick, it reconnected as kaddi__ which is what I want worrying
[23:39] <kaddi> sorry, please read "want" as "find"
[23:39] <dwidmann> kaddi: hmm, seems like you're non-underscored right now though, so why the worry?
[23:40] <Zlobomir> Because the VW model is Caddy...
[23:40] <Zlobomir> ok, googling for rollback
[23:40] <Zlobomir> brb
[23:40] <dwidmann> Zlobomir: scroll up and read what I said a few minutes ago first
[23:41] <rmrfslash> dwidmann: that would work?
[23:41] <dwidmann> rmrfslash: what would work?
[23:41] <kaddi> dwidmann: I'm from windows, when my pc decides to join irc-networks without consulting me first I get worried. ;) No I thought maybe there was a simple explanation, that I missed. That was the main reason for me asking. The only thing I found surprising is that the connection was reestablished after I ghosted him away.
[23:41] <rmrfslash> dwidmann: setting the priority and dist-upgrade?
[23:42] <dwidmann> rmrfslash: Well, yes, but it doesn't mean you're not going to run into problems either
[23:43] <dwidmann> kaddi: well, most of the irc programs for linux have some sort of auto-reconnect feature
[23:44] <dwidmann> ooh, WD 1TB HDDs for $85/free shipping... not bad
[23:45] <Zlobomir> back, yep, going to replace sources...
[23:45] <kaddi> dwidmann gimme gimme gimme :D
[23:45] <juan_> hi
[23:45] <juan_> ok q lo q
[23:45] <dwidmann> kaddi: head over to newegg within the next 8 hours then
[23:46] <the> ñll+
[23:46] <dwidmann> kaddi: oh, and EMCLSMN28 is the promo code
[23:47] <rmrfslash> dwidmann: I saw that too. Don't remember where
[23:47] <rmrfslash> dwidmann: (the $85 1 TB drives)
[23:49] <the> 100 dolla ok palomo .
[23:51] <genetics_> hi, i have an issue where kpackageit is crashing or tells me I have no permission to install
[23:52] <genetics_> is there a way to fix this?
[23:52] <ign0ramus> genetics_, are you running kpackage kit as superuser?
[23:52] <genetics_> ign0ramus: nope, from the "Utilities" menu. I am "sudo -s"
[23:53] <rmrfslash> VNC Client on Kubuntu?
[23:53] <ign0ramus> genetics_, it's probably a kde wallet issue.... what if you were to run 'kdesudo kpackagekit' from terminal?
[23:53] <dwidmann> rmrfslash: krdc, I think
[23:54] <dwidmann> !kdesudo | genetics_
[23:54] <genetics_> ign0ramus: than it works
[23:55] <ign0ramus> genetics_, well then it's pretty clear when kpackagekit is launching, it doesn't have the correct privileges.
[23:55] <Dragnslcr> KPackageKit shouldn't need to be run as root. It asks for your password if/when you make changes
[23:55] <genetics_> Dragnslcr: would make sence
[23:55] <ign0ramus> genetics_, you can mess with wallet settings, or change the command in the menu to 'kdesudo kpackagekit'
[23:55] <genetics_> ign0ramus: thanks, will try
[23:55] <dwidmann> The problem was sudo + graphical app, most likely.
[23:56] <ign0ramus> genetics_, and don't be root or use 'sudo' for graphical apps
[23:56] <ign0ramus> thanks dwidmann ;)
[23:57] <rmrfslash> dwidmann: yeah, thanks
[23:59] <genetics_> ign0ramus: it seems as kwallet is not called at all when I launche the package manager
[23:59] <kaddi> dwidmann thanks :)


[10:20] <RikMills> I see darktable 3.0.2-1 in debian
[10:22] <RikMills> wtf? new features in 3.0.2 compared to 3.0.1!
[10:23]  * RikMills hates projects that do that
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Seriously???? They released new features on a POINT RELEASE??? *grumble*
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> Means I'll probably have to add that one to the backports.
[14:57] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Yeah, that should've been a bump to 3.1.0. -_-
[14:59] <RikMills> Some KDE projects have this habit as well. Like they put in lots of bugfixes, and then add a small feature as a 'by the way'
[14:59] <RikMills> which is annoying as hell
[15:01] <RikMills> THEN they complain that we don't have the latest in Ubuntu!
[15:02] <Eickmeyer> I get that too. Lots of projects like to release stuff after freezes and we're like,  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: https://discourse.ardour.org/t/development-update-6-0-rc1-tagged/103393
[15:04] <OvenWerks> looks like by the end of the month
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> Wow!
[15:04] <OvenWerks>  (which month?)  ;)
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> Haha
[15:05] <Eickmeyer> I think what I'll do is make a PPA of 5.12 for people that want to keep it, but I'm going to see what Debian does with packaging before I jump on 6.0.
[15:06] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: there is really no rush
[15:06] <OvenWerks> be nice to have a 6.0 in backports for those who want it _now_
[15:21] <OvenWerks> basically backport 6.0 to 18.04 -> 20.04 then backport 5.12 for 20.10... maybe 21.04
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> I was thinking a separate ppa for backporting Ardour so that we don't break stuff for people using the main Backports PPA before it releases.
[15:29] <OvenWerks> has to release first :)
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> I probably won't worry about 5.12 for 20.10.
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> There's stuff in the backports PPA for 20.04 *now*.
[15:30] <StevenJayCohen> Not a snap?
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Ardour wouldn't work as a snap.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> snaps do not work for audio stuff
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> Snaps are unable to use plugins.
[15:30] <StevenJayCohen> Right, can't access stuff
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> Funny enough, Flatpaks can.
[15:33] <StevenJayCohen> Wow, and politically that would be a bad move
[15:33] <StevenJayCohen> Unless the snap vs flatpack feud is overblown
[15:34] <Eickmeyer> The feud is overblown. You can install flatpaks in Ubuntu. "sudo apt install flatpak" then "flatpak install ____"
[15:34] <Eickmeyer> You can also install Snaps in Fedora.
[15:34] <StevenJayCohen> It seems like the new vim vs emacs
[15:35] <StevenJayCohen> Right, I have both plugins added to gnome software now
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> I lead both Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam. That's no secret.
[15:36] <StevenJayCohen> So how about a flatpack for ardour?
[15:36]  * OvenWerks uses joe as editor
[15:36] <StevenJayCohen> Would that make less work for you?
[15:36] <Eickmeyer> Nope. Most of the packaging is done upstream in Debian, and they're very likely to pick-up Ardour. At that point, it's a sync request.
[15:36] <StevenJayCohen> OvenWerks :) I'm a vim guy
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> I'm a nano/VisualStudioCode guy.
[15:37] <StevenJayCohen> Makes sense
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Maybe Kate.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> joe for text, mousepad/kate/geany for GUI
[15:38] <StevenJayCohen> Vim and gvim -- I'm boring that way
[15:39] <StevenJayCohen> I'll use any of them in a pinch
[15:39] <OvenWerks> I like a bit more than nano... I have to think to much to use vi... and I never did learn emacs
[15:44] <StevenJayCohen> I had vim drilled into me at a job. So, it's second nature
[15:44] <StevenJayCohen> Things like ciw mean change in word
[15:45] <StevenJayCohen> 27dd delete 27 lines
[15:46] <OvenWerks> I can't think of where I would use that...
[15:46] <StevenJayCohen> Or di" means delete inside the quotes
[15:47] <OvenWerks> it would take more time to count the lines than to start select go down till the end of wht I want to delete end select and delete selection
[15:47] <StevenJayCohen> And ci) or ci} work that way too
[15:48] <OvenWerks> but for code development I use geany.
[15:49] <StevenJayCohen> Honestly, once I realized that gnome3 was also meant to be short cut driven, I finally got the hang of that. So, now it kinda feels vim like
[15:49] <OvenWerks> If I start a call it will give a list of calls that match for auto complete and then when I get to the first ( it shows what params I need
[15:50] <OvenWerks> gnome3 is like having a desktop with no controls... open a terminal to act as the menu
[15:50] <StevenJayCohen> The vim shortcuts are most useful when editing existing code
[15:51] <StevenJayCohen> ci) selects everything inside () deletes it and let me replace it
[15:51] <OvenWerks> every time I try gnome3 I get lost and can't wait to get to a real desktop.
[15:53] <StevenJayCohen> I saw a video where someone explained that it's meant to be search driven. You can do a lot without ever touching the mouse
[15:53] <StevenJayCohen> The fact that it looks like a mobile UI is deceiving
[15:54] <OvenWerks> I always get bad search terms
[15:54] <OvenWerks> they never seem to get me to an app that I want
[15:54] <OvenWerks> unless the search is so wide I have to search through pages of junk to finally find what I want
[15:55] <StevenJayCohen> I do like XFCE. It feels a lot like macOS 8-9.04
[15:56] <StevenJayCohen> Very usable, does not dominate the experience
[15:56] <StevenJayCohen> Let's you get work done
[15:56] <OvenWerks> basically the only improvement (productivity wise) to win95 style desktop is favourites and recently used apps/files
[15:58] <OvenWerks> Add the standard X thing of more than one workspace and I have everything I need
[15:58] <StevenJayCohen> Didn't super key search get added in Vista?
[15:58] <OvenWerks> not useful to me
[15:58] <StevenJayCohen> As an answer to Mac spotlight
[15:58] <OvenWerks> dyslexia doesn't deal well with that
[15:59] <StevenJayCohen> That's where we differ, I prefer search over menus
[15:59]  * OvenWerks does not use the whisker menu in xfce, but rather the appmenu
[15:59] <OvenWerks> I understand
[16:00] <StevenJayCohen> XFCE, materia theme, papirus icons, I'm happy
[16:00] <OvenWerks>  I feel it is completely valid that each person likes something different
[16:00] <OvenWerks> I think we are headed to kde :)
[16:01] <OvenWerks> 20.10-ish
[16:01] <StevenJayCohen> I started on kde using SUSE
[16:01] <StevenJayCohen> Way back
[16:01] <StevenJayCohen> Kde performance is good these days
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> The desktop environment changed from KDE to Plasma in version 4. KDE refers to the community of developers.
[16:02] <StevenJayCohen> And materia has a kde theme, and breeze icons are nice
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> ^ Funny you mentioned Materia for KDE... I've already packaged it. 😂
[16:03] <StevenJayCohen> I was v3, back in the days when Keramik was cool and Konqueror was the file manager and browser
[16:03] <OvenWerks> kde has it's ups and downs. kde was my first move away from fvwm.
[16:04] <StevenJayCohen> Perfect
[16:04] <OvenWerks> I enjoyed it untill plasma made it too slow on my system
[16:05] <OvenWerks> by that time gnome2 was good enough to switch (early gnome would have sent me back to fvwm)
[16:05] <StevenJayCohen> https://www.stevenjaycohen.com/2003/11/01/keramik-pearl/
[16:06] <OvenWerks> then gnome3 came out which would not even run on my system cause it was way too resource intensive... aside from being too obtuse to use anyway... so xfce
[16:07] <OvenWerks> but the newer kde (plasma5... I think?) is better/faster I still use the clasic menu though...
[16:07] <StevenJayCohen> Plasma will be a good match for studio
[16:08] <OvenWerks> but kde does offer 4 ways to access applications including search based
[16:08] <StevenJayCohen> The graphics people will be happy for the change
[16:08] <OvenWerks> yes
[16:10] <OvenWerks> I just mentioned I was thinking of installing studio over kubuntu 20.04 for my daily use and Eickmeyer asked why not just change Studi to kde... so it seems we are going that way
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Well, in all honesty, it was because eylul[m] mentioned she's using Kubuntu, and I've never been partial to Xfce, so it just seemed as though since the majority of the team is using it, why not go that route?
[16:12] <StevenJayCohen> The audio people will take a bit of convincing. So performance numbers in the announcement would help
[16:13] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: the other thing I do not like about gnome is their forcing theme on window decorations. I use a lot of windows on any screen and so rely on the window title bar being a contrasting colour to indicate focus. gnome steals that from me.
[16:14] <StevenJayCohen> Makes sense, again we work differently. I tend to full screen a single app
[16:14] <StevenJayCohen> I like small laptops 12-13"
[16:14] <OvenWerks> because xfce tends to use the gnome utilities, xfce ends up having a mix of window styles and looks junky
[16:14] <StevenJayCohen> Truth
[16:14] <OvenWerks> kde can force title bars even on gnome app windows
[16:15] <OvenWerks> I have as many as 10 windows on a screen (two displays wide)
[16:15] <StevenJayCohen> And Materia and Breeze would keep it all looking unified
[16:16] <OvenWerks> only 6 on this screen :)
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> I'm actually considering continuing to use Materia and Papirus, but Breeze isn't a bad icon set by any stretch.
[16:16] <StevenJayCohen> How is papirus in kde?
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> Plasma can use any icon set.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> but using Ardour means I normally have three windows just for that... not counting plugin windows
[16:17] <StevenJayCohen> But does it have many plasma specific icons?
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Not anymore.
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Hasn't since 5 first released about 5-6 years ago.
[16:18] <StevenJayCohen> The recording machines have a wide monitor with 2 side by side windows, PDF viewer and daw
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Either way, if it's not in Papirus, it falls back to Breeze.
[16:18] <StevenJayCohen> Nice
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> Multi-screen handling in Plasma is WAY better than Xfce from my experience.
[16:20] <StevenJayCohen> Don't the papirus guys package materia-kde?
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[16:20] <OvenWerks> xfce seems to auto get my screens the right way around, kubuntu I have to switch them.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Not package, but developed.
[16:20] <StevenJayCohen> Nice
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> I packaged it. Just waiting for the GG archive to open.
[16:26] <StevenJayCohen> Theme question, what do you think of vimix?
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Looks like a clown exploded on the title bar.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Not necessarily a bad thing if that's what you're into.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> screen shot?
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://github.com/vinceliuice/vimix-gtk-themes
[16:32] <OvenWerks> I don't get it
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> Lotsa color. And a very red accent color.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> What does it offer?
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> Nothing that I can see. Just aesthetics.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> which window has focus?
[16:33] <OvenWerks> how do I tell?
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like a slight difference in shade of the dark gray.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> I mean in the screen shot I can assume the top one is... but I often type into a window not on top
[16:34] <OvenWerks> really.
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> If you look at the one with the calculator, looks like the title gets gray. Title is red on the focused one.
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> I can say I'm not a fan.
[16:35] <OvenWerks> but the one above that has four windows with four colours.... which one has focus?
[16:36] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's just a sample shot with the color variations of the theme.
[16:36] <StevenJayCohen> I like some of what it does to materia, and it's icon theme, like papirus, is derived from paper
[16:36] <OvenWerks> not useful
[16:36] <Eickmeyer> Not an actual screenshot.
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> I think we'll stick with Materia. Fits the overall design aesthetic we have.
[16:39] <Eickmeyer> I also have a good working relationship with the developer of Materia.
[16:41] <StevenJayCohen> It's a great theme. Simple and functional
[16:47] <OvenWerks> cool, application->pulse->jack->pulse->bluetooth speaker
[16:47] <Eickmeyer> A year ago, there was a nasty bug in it which made the title bar in Ubiquity gray on dark gray (unreadable). I notified the developer, and he quickly made a patch to fix it, which I cherry-picked and got uploaded. After that, it got integrated.
[16:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You got it to work?
[16:48] <OvenWerks> ja
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> Noice. :D
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> Latency ahoy.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> the secret sauce is: pacmd load-module module-loopback latency_msec=5
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> Are you thinking about integrating that into studio-controls somehow?
[16:48] <Eickmeyer> (I'm working on a new icon for that, btw).
[16:49] <OvenWerks> This means in controls I need to be able to connect pulse out to a pulse-blue
[16:49] <OvenWerks> not just harware
[16:49] <OvenWerks> *hardware
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> That makes sense.
[16:50] <OvenWerks> I guess we can have a pseudo device called bluetooth
[16:53] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I need to be able to also find out the pacmd/pactl command to do the internal pulse connections
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[17:01] <OvenWerks> I am guessing I should also include any HW devices we hook up with zita-ajbridge
[17:48] <OvenWerks> It seems the loopback module can have parameters that setup the source and sink directly
[17:56] <OvenWerks> http://i.imgur.com/5Yz5v4D.png
[17:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^ this is what the connection looks like in jack
[18:09] <OvenWerks> so this should not be a part of the pulse bridging tab. It should be treated as a device in Extra devices.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> current latency: 85.22 ms  :P  Thats bluetooth
[18:28] <OvenWerks> So in extra devices add two checkboxes: Add pulse Bluetooth output and Add pulse Bluetooth input
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[18:32]  * OvenWerks wonders how pw deals with this
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> PW doesn't have Pulse or Bluetooth yet, AFAIK.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Might have a family thing on Thursday, so I'm prepping the release announcement now.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> cool
[19:27] <OvenWerks> just what every kid needs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1B3gATS0GE
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> Ha! I saw that on Reddit.
[19:39] <OvenWerks> did you see her cut down version of the tesla too?
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Not yet. I will. ERR:KneeDeepInAnnouncement
[19:47] <OvenWerks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35gWBtLCYg


[08:30] <nlsthzn> question, what would be the best way to back-up all e-mails and settings etc. for Thunderbird before an upgrade?
[08:32] <JackyAlcine> Good question; doesn't it save it to a particular directory on your system? I'd say make a ~copy of that.
[08:33] <Unit193> ~/.thunderbird/weird-stuff.default
[08:33] <Unit193> Example: ~/.thunderbird/hs85pi77.default/
[08:36] <JackyAlcine> Yup, that'd be it.
[08:39] <nlsthzn> so just copy that and copy back when done?
[08:39] <nlsthzn> cool... thanks all :)
[08:40]  * nlsthzn bows down to the awesome BT
[08:40] <Unit193> Eh, should update fine, but good to have a backup
[08:43] <JackyAlcine> Yup.
[13:39] <s-fox> Hello.
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> Mornin'.
[13:40] <s-fox> Good evening
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> 08:40, here. :-)
[13:41] <Sidewinder1> Workin' on my second cup..
[15:28] <killybilly> hi, is there an actual distro chan for natty?
[15:28] <killybilly> i need to know hot to install the graphic drivers in ths old notebook xD
[15:29] <Snicksie> hm, killybilly, do you know what drivers you need?
[15:30] <killybilly> nope, i was tryin to play a game via wine and asked about the black screen prob, they said it was cos the 32bit graphic drivers werent installed.. u_u
[15:36] <Snicksie> hm, do you know what graphics card you got, killybilly ?
[15:37] <killybilly> thats the problem, dunno which one is it
[15:37] <killybilly> i was looking for it with the notebook model (thinkpad r51) but cant find any
[15:37] <Snicksie> hm, okay
[15:40] <Snicksie> here you can find out more howto install your drivers killybilly : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:41] <killybilly> im using lspci an it says Intel Corporation 82855PM
[15:41] <killybilly> ok ill check thanks
[15:42] <Snicksie> okay, intel is possible... it can be an intel integrated graphics card ;)
[15:43] <killybilly> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[15:43] <killybilly>   -o== i think this one is xD
[15:44] <Snicksie> yeah, thats more logical :)
[17:17] <jxm> hi, how can i install a previous version of a program?
[17:19] <holstein> jxm: i have always just fired up synaptic, and used 'force version' from the menu
[17:20] <jxm> it's greyed
[17:29] <Mohan_chml> you can download the package and intall it jxm
[17:29] <Mohan_chml> manually8
[17:29] <Mohan_chml> manually*
[17:30] <jxm> synaptic can tell me the site?
[17:32] <JackyAlcine> jxm: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[17:32] <jxm> nice
[17:33] <JackyAlcine> If it's greyed; then it'd break your system if you try to install it.
[17:43] <kapc> is it possible to install gnome-keyring-manager?
[17:44] <JackyAlcine> # apt-get install gnome-keyring-manager
[17:44] <JackyAlcine> What's preventing you?
[17:50] <kapc> impossible to find gnome-keyring-manager
[17:51] <kapc> litterally: E: Unable to locate package gnome-keyring-manager
[21:47] <Gami> Dear channel, internet is somewhat unstable and often very slow when using Ubuntu. How do I fix this?
[21:52] <Gami> I've spent the past few days googling similar issues and I've tried a few solutions including restarting the network(manager), fiddled with the settings, edited the network/interfaces file..


[00:22] <mwhudson> amurray: ah i fixed that by getting python-flake8 from proposed
[00:28] <amurray> mwhudson: any idea how to try and get that to migrate? I see you already tried retriggering the failing s390x test a bunch
[00:36] <mwhudson> amurray: a fixed version of icdiff got uploaded a few hours ago, it should be soon
[00:37] <mwhudson> i'm still having problems getting flycheck to behave though
[00:38] <amurray> ooh nice re icdiff - fwiw I switched from flycheck to flymake so not sure what other issue you are seeing (plus this crash is likely masking any other possible issues for me)