[05:29] <abattoir> ewgeni90: i asked you to add the contents of the link that i gave you to the bottom of that file
[05:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: no. /etc/network/interfaces is the one.. if you don't use any networkmanager, and the network-manager doesn't work well with rt2500 cards anyway.. so yes. /etc/network/interfaces
[05:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's fine as eth1
[05:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's just a name.
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: the file that you pasted is the configuration for the X server. we need to enable compositing in X for translucency to work, and that option does that.
[05:30] <Sephnroth> k
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: are you experiencing any problems now?
[05:30] <ewgeni90> no
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: what did you mean by 'i have a problem with my screen?'
[05:30] <abattoir> ewgeni90: were you asking me or telling me?
[05:31] <abattoir> oh, ok, then it's all good
[05:31] <ewgeni90> i am asking
[05:31] <abattoir> ewgeni90: oh ok, you don't, hope what i said above clarified what we did
[05:32] <ewgeni90> ok
[05:32] <ewgeni90> do you know russian language?
[05:33] <jkjk> Does anyone know of a truecrypt deb file for feisty ?
[05:35] <jhutchins> jkjk: Feisty is still in #ubuntu+1
[05:35] <jhutchins> !find truecrypt | jkjk
[05:35] <ubotu> jkjk: Package/file truecrypt does not exist in edgy
[05:35] <soulrider_> !xorg
[05:35] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:35] <jkjk> jhutchins: ok thanks
[05:35] <jhutchins> !find truecrypt feisty | jkjk
[05:35] <ubotu> jkjk: Package/file truecrypt does not exist in feisty
[05:36] <adim_> hi
[05:37] <Sephnroth> fdoving: im following the ubuntu wiki in part, your advice and my own head a bit.  im trying to write the configuration lines in /etc/network/interfaces properly.  the wiki does not list for a wep configuration, only WPA (for wep it talks about a config util that i have no idea how to access through kde (its talking gnome) even if i could, which i cant through ssh)
[05:38] <Sephnroth> so now im wondering what gvalues to set for: pre-up iwpriv eth1 set AuthMode=WPAPSK
[05:38] <Sephnroth> EncrypType and WPASK
[05:38] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's easier for WEP.
[05:38] <Black_Monkey> does anyone have any idea how to fix this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2451687 ? I'm having problems mounting anything :/
[05:39] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: You probably need a package called wpasupplicant
[05:39] <Sephnroth> well, when i opened the interfaces file there was 3 lines for the wireless card, simply:
[05:39] <Sephnroth> auto eth1
[05:39] <Sephnroth> iface eth1 inet dchp
[05:39] <Sephnroth> wireless-essid (hisid)
[05:40] <Sephnroth> i've left them as they are and added pre-up ifconfig eth1 up, pre-up ifconfig eth1 down, pre-up ifconfig eth1 up, pre-up ifconfig eth1 down, pre-up iwconfig eth1 essid "hisid"
[05:40] <Sephnroth> as per the wiki listing
[05:40] <fdoving> Sephnroth: try this: http://rafb.net/p/lIeAWp29.html
[05:40] <Sephnroth> (though why up and down twice)
[05:40] <fdoving> Sephnroth: you don't want all those pre-up and down things.
[05:41] <Sephnroth> shall i kill all the pre-up lines?
[05:41] <Bebemycat2> Sorry is this is a dumb question, but can KDE run gnome specific software?
[05:41] <PriceChild> Bebemycat2, yes
[05:41] <Bebemycat2> Thank you
[05:41] <Sephnroth> as a side note, why the hell is VI acting so dumb through ssh?  its not how im used to at all, im used to using escape to switch between editing modes and arrow keys should always move the cursor and backspace delete.. now i need to press i to add text, arrowkeys add random text
[05:42] <Sephnroth> backspace moves the cursor back but doesnt delete text, NOTHING seems to want to delete a line leaving white space everywhere
[05:42] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: Known bug.  You can work it out with termcap entries in the vi configuration, or just live with it.
[05:42] <Sephnroth> i'll live with it for now
[05:42] <Sephnroth> just as long as its not me messing it up ;)
[05:43] <Sephnroth> so delete ALL the lines begining with pre-up - add your lines, unload the module and reload it?
[05:43] <jhutchins> Ok, knetworkmanager is actually _clearing_ the configuration on my wireless card.
[05:44] <yo> hey does Azureus work on kubuntu?
[05:44] <MaDiNfO_> sure
[05:44] <yo> any dependencies or libraries i need?
[05:44] <jhutchins> Ah, I guess it's clearing it after it fails to connect.
[05:44] <yo> i got it through synaptic
[05:45] <jhutchins> yo: The apt system automatically installs dependencies.
[05:45] <jhutchins> yo: Why not just try it?
[05:45] <yo> i thought so...but it still doesn't work
[05:45] <ewgeni90_kubuntu> i go
[05:45] <ewgeni90_kubuntu> good bye
[05:45] <yo> it just doesn't run...it opens azureus...i guess cuz i have an azureus error on the bottom of my screen that doesnt go away
[05:46] <Black_Monkey> where is the message bus configuration file? :/
[05:46] <jhutchins> !doesn't work
[05:46] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[05:46] <yo> ok:
[05:46] <yo> Warning: Azureus did not shotdown tidily check blabla
[05:46] <yo> i have no gui whatsoever
[05:46] <jhutchins> yo: So check blabla.
[05:46] <yo> and the bottom right side of my 'panel' thing is hidden by this message
[05:46] <yo> blabla is the logfile
[05:47] <jhutchins> yo: So?
[05:47] <Sephnroth> fdoving: ok i added all your stuff, what do you want me to type to reset the card/make it update to the new config, etc?
[05:47] <yo> i dunno i'm stuck..i had better luck running utorrent through wine!
[05:47] <fdoving> Sephnroth: sudo ifdown eth1, then sudo ifup eth1, does it work?
[05:47] <jhutchins> ktorrent works for me.
[05:47] <yo> qtorrent is awesome....but it can't change trackers....i can't use ktorrent cuz my tracker blocked it
[05:48] <yo> is there a way to edit .torrent files, and change their tracker URL ?
[05:48] <yo> is there a chance i need to install GNOME for azureus to run?
[05:49] <gilbert> hello everyone
[05:49] <jhutchins> yo: azureus has nothing to do with gnome, you can run it without X.
[05:49] <gilbert> i've got a problem with my kopete
[05:49] <yo> ok..thats a start...thank you....but how come the error window won't close when i click hide?
[05:50] <yo> or..how can i terminate the azureus proccess?
[05:50] <gilbert> every time it starts it keeps on asking whether or not i would like to add this certain contact
[05:50] <gilbert> then again
[05:53] <jhutchins> yo: sudo killall azerius might do it.
[05:53] <sobber> anybody care to explain to me why do .wma files cut in when played through amarok?
[05:53] <jhutchins> yo: ctrl-alt-esc turns your mouse pointer into a skull and crossbones which will kill a process you clik on.
[05:53] <Sephnroth> oh dear
[05:54] <jhutchins> sobber: elaborate on "cut in".
[05:54] <sobber> umm
[05:54] <sobber> well
[05:55] <Sephnroth> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/Wfeqsb83.html
[05:55] <Sephnroth> at the end there i just hit ctrl+c
[05:55] <sobber> say in windows i play the same file and it starts from the beginning, but with amarok the song doesn't begin where the song begins originally
[05:56] <sobber> else said it doesnt play few opening chords
[05:56] <sobber> it cuts in
[05:58] <sobber> that happens to .wma only not to .mp3
[05:58] <Netziro> hi guys
[05:58] <Netziro> anyone can help me on alsa configuration?
[05:59] <Tm_T> Netziro: not if you can't tell us what is the problem
[05:59] <Netziro> of course, :) i have a mainbord asus P5B
[06:00] <Sephnroth> fdoving: brb 10mins mate i gotta phone the misses else im in more trouble than this nix kernal can give me ;)
[06:00] <Netziro> later the last update of the kernel on kubuntu feisty beta
[06:00] <Netziro> the output of the channel on input line doesn't work
[06:00] <fdoving> Sephnroth: no problem :)
[06:00] <Netziro> you know on all mainboard there is the cable to connect the cd for audio
[06:01] <Netziro> i use this cable for connect my pinnacle tv card
[06:01] <Netziro> and on the last kernel upgrade... the audio doesn't work
[06:02] <Ahmuck> i have a funny problem ... kdm login loops.  i can login to a console login, but cannot login on the gui
[06:02] <jhutchins> Good morning Ahmuck
[06:02] <Ahmuck> hi jhutchins
[06:02] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Anything in the logs?
[06:03] <Ahmuck> i am not sure what logs to look at
[06:03] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Most recent update?  Can you startx?
[06:03] <xtavaresx> ahmuck, any progress?
[06:03] <Ahmuck> x is started, i have kdm login
[06:03] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Ah, but it you log in from a console and run startx, you bypass kdm.
[06:04] <Ahmuck> actually, i changed the resolution and it went bad, so i had to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:04] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: Thus confirming whether the problem is with kdm, kde, or x.
[06:04] <Ahmuck> hrm, i have not tried bypassing kdm
[06:04] <Ahmuck> let me try, i'll be right back
[06:04] <tmske> Hi, I have kubuntu feisty and I have apache installed so I can make some sites for testing, I can connect to localhost fine when I'm online, but if I'm offline I can't access localhost
[06:04] <tmske> any clues?
[06:05] <intelikey> with xorg + blackbox running   mem
[06:05] <intelikey> Mem usage: 18/249 MB (7%)
[06:05] <jhutchins> tmske: Apache's current config usually only listens to localhost unless you actually configure it.
[06:05] <eams> What is xserver-xorg??? I have a homework and I don't know English a lot...
[06:06] <eams> It's too hard for my to find info
[06:06] <jhutchins> eams: wikipedia.org and google.com would seem to be good places to start.
[06:06] <tmske> jhutchins, what do you mean?
[06:06] <intelikey> eams   man xorg
[06:06] <intelikey> eams in a konsole type in     man xorg
[06:06] <jhutchins> tmske: I mean unless you actually configured apache to listen to some other address, localhost is all it will listen to.
[06:07] <eams> Thank you!!!
[06:07] <tmske> jhutchins, yes that's fine, but when I'm offline even localhost doesn't work anymore
[06:08] <tmske> jhutchins, it's fine for me if apache only listens to localhost, but I also want to use it when I'm offline and this doesn't work now
[06:09] <jhutchins> tmske: is apache running?
[06:09] <intelikey> tmske when you go off line is lo up ?    could be lo not configured/up
[06:09] <jhutchins> intelikey: does #xorg work too?
[06:09] <andymg> Anyone else having problems with tuning mythtv after upgrade ?
[06:10] <tmske> jhutchins, apache is running
[06:10] <intelikey> jhutchins ?
[06:10] <tmske> jhutchins, brb
[06:10] <jhutchins> intelikey: Alt-F2, #<manpage>
[06:10] <jhutchins> intelikey: Or in konq, man:/<manpage>
[06:10] <intelikey> ah yes in konq  #xorg   yes
[06:11] <jhutchins> Heh.  Mandriva insists on Xorg.
[06:11] <intelikey> thought you were asking about irc #xorg
[06:12] <jhutchins> Ah.
[06:12] <jhutchins> Also useful.
[06:12] <tmske> jhutchins, both are ok, but I only tested this in konqueror, when I use firefox, everything is ok, so it has something to do with konqueror
[06:13] <tmske> well, I can use firefox to test when I'm offline, so that's something
[06:14] <tmske> jhutchins, anyway thanks for the help, I have to go
[06:14] <intelikey> tmske you are developing web sites ?    do look at them in a text based browser before the final "OK" please.
[06:14] <intelikey> elinks maybe ^
[06:15] <intelikey> lynx  ?
[06:19] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[06:19] <intelikey> :)
[06:20] <Minataku> lynx would provide the optimal text-based view, given it's rather minimalistic rendering
[06:20] <Minataku> links/links2/elinks are more advanced
[06:22] <intelikey> actually w3m would be optimal
[06:22] <Minataku> Probably
[06:23] <Minataku> Never used it myself
[06:23] <intelikey> it's default text based browser on ubuntu
[06:23] <sp3ct3r> ppl.. i just installed kubuntu on a 2nd hard drive.. and i was trying to mount my windows partition
[06:23] <sp3ct3r> but i cant see the hda on /dev
[06:23] <Sephnroth> has anyone tried the iTms plugin for banshee?  if i made nix my more permenant desktop solution then being able to buy stuff from the iTunes store would be a pretty big need of mine
[06:24] <Sephnroth> cuz i do it all the time
[06:24] <intelikey> sp3ct3r  sudo fdisk -l       it's probably sda
[06:24] <ForgeAus> definitely the most standards compliant of the curses/ncurses choices I've seen sofar anyhow
[06:24] <sp3ct3r> let me check
[06:25] <Black_Monkey> where is the "message bus configuration file"?
[06:25] <Minataku> Black_Monkey: Check in the bus' glove box
[06:25] <intelikey> dbus config ???
[06:25] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[06:25] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[06:26] <sp3ct3r> intelikey: Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[06:26] <Black_Monkey> heh...
[06:26] <sp3ct3r> it just shows the 2nd drive
[06:26] <intelikey> sp3ct3r then i assume you will need to modprobe a driver.     Q. are they on the same bus ?
[06:26] <jhutchins> fdoving: You 'round?
[06:27] <Minataku> How many people actually put gloves in their glove box?
[06:27] <sp3ct3r> y
[06:27] <Black_Monkey> good point...
[06:27] <jhutchins> Minataku: Me.
[06:27] <Minataku> jhutchins: Really?
[06:27] <mhb> hi, kdevelop doesn't have a "bzr" VCS plugin, does it?
[06:27] <intelikey> then that aint it.
[06:27] <jhutchins> Yep, on my bike.
[06:27] <Minataku> I keep my truck's manual and some other crap in there
[06:27] <Black_Monkey> I guess a lot of people did in the past...
[06:27] <Minataku> That's not a glove box
[06:27] <Minataku> That's a saddle bag
[06:28] <jhutchins> Minataku: 85 BMW K100RT - glove box on each side of the fairing.
[06:28] <Black_Monkey> so can anyone actually tell me where the message bus configuration file is?
[06:28] <Minataku> Ah, nice
[06:28] <jhutchins> People use to wear driving gloves.
[06:28] <jhutchins> Black_Monkey: Not sure there is one as such.
[06:28] <Minataku> That would explain the name's origin
[06:28] <Minataku> I forgot about that
[06:28] <Tm_T> mhb: let me see
[06:29] <Ahmuck> jhutchins: startx works
[06:29] <Minataku> sp3ct3r: Is there anything in /dev/ about sdb?
[06:29] <Sephnroth> fdoving: im back, you around mate?  did ya see the paste i left a link to?
[06:29] <Sephnroth> cuz im pretty stumped right now XD
[06:29] <Black_Monkey> jhutchins: an error message told me to look there :/
[06:29] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: So we confirm that the problem is with kdm itself.  Nothing useful in the logs?
[06:29] <sp3ct3r> let m c
[06:29] <mhb> Tm_T: there isn't any in the default install
[06:29] <fdoving> jhutchins: yes. sorry about the delay. was eating.
[06:29] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i'm around, didn't see your paste, do you have the url?
[06:29] <jhutchins> fdoving: No problem.  Do you know of any way to diagnose failure of a wireless card to associate with an AP, given good signal, correct essid & key?
[06:29] <sp3ct3r> Minataku: no just "sda   sda1  sda2  sda5"
[06:30] <Sephnroth> http://rafb.net/p/Wfeqsb83.html
[06:30] <Sephnroth> there ya go
[06:30] <sp3ct3r> i assume they r all my linux partitions right?
[06:30] <Ahmuck> jhutchins: what logs am i looking for?
[06:30] <fdoving> jhutchins: depends on the card, i'm no wlan expert really.
[06:30] <jhutchins> Ahmuck: /var/log/messages, dmesg, Xorg.0.log
[06:30] <Minataku> Why does *buntu use expanded partitions? There are 4 perfectly good entries in the regular partition table, damnit
[06:31] <Minataku> Sorry, back to earth now
[06:31] <Minataku> sp3ct3r: Probably
[06:31] <jhutchins> fdoving: I just wish there were a way to debug it.  It worked Tuesday with the Edgy CD, but not Wednesday through Friday, and not today with the Feisty CD.
[06:31] <Black_Monkey> if there's no message bus configuration file, how would I solve this? - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409139 :/
[06:32] <Minataku> I need to go eat something >.>
[06:32] <Minataku> lol
[06:32] <fdoving> jhutchins: what kind of card?
[06:32] <intelikey> Minataku it's not a *buntu thang.  you can have up too four primary partitions and if one of them is an extended partition then several inside of that.   linux didn't do that.
[06:32] <jhutchins> fdoving: acx100
[06:33] <intelikey> it predates linux.   probably DOS did it.    could have predated that idk.
[06:33] <fdoving> jhutchins: ah.. i used to have one of those.. hang on.
[06:33] <ForgeAus> yeah fdisk in dos does it
[06:33] <ForgeAus> or Partition Magic
[06:33] <fdoving> jhutchins: is this feisty?
[06:33] <ForgeAus> not certain if XP's partitioner does it but it allows it
[06:33] <Tm_T> mhb: seems like there's none
[06:34] <jhutchins> fdoving: Both, but currently yes.
[06:34] <intelikey> Minataku i don't even have a partition table
[06:34] <jhutchins> fdoving: I think I'm going to see if I can get my other card working with ndiswrapper.  Laptop HD is dead, so I'm running from CD.
[06:35] <mhb> Tm_T: too bad for me then
[06:35] <mhb> Tm_T: thanks
[06:35] <fdoving> jhutchins: ok, i'll find a laptop with pccard slot and find the card.. test if acx100 works here.
[06:35] <Tm_T> mhb: but there might be something somewhere, I just can't find any :p
[06:35] <jhutchins> Great, thanks.  THis is actually an smc2535w
[06:35] <ForgeAus> intelikey I think partitions are considered standard these days
[06:36] <ForgeAus> its probably considered legacy usage not to have a partition on your HDD
[06:36] <Sephnroth> fdoving: i can see you're busy, just give me a yell when you have a moment mate
[06:36] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: I can asure you that drives have always had partitions.
[06:36] <intelikey> ForgeAus could be.
[06:37] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/439877
[06:37] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Floppy disks didn't really, they were more like tape.
[06:37] <ForgeAus> jhutchins all drive's I've had did have partitions but intellikey has one that doesn't have partitions
[06:37] <ForgeAus> he has simply a filesystem on it, no partition table
[06:37] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i can multitask, i found your paste, it looks like the network didn't come up correctly.
[06:37] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Well, they don't until you partition and format them.
[06:37] <Sephnroth> looks like it didnt come up at all ;)
[06:37] <intelikey> jhutchins :)
[06:38] <ForgeAus> jhutchins normally yes
[06:38] <intelikey> i have made partitions on floppy disks
[06:38] <jhutchins> It is possible that gnu fdisk is not looking at the "correct" table.
[06:38] <ForgeAus> floppies are generally fat12 right?
[06:39] <jhutchins> intelikey: Possible since DOS3 iirc.
[06:39] <ForgeAus> at least in windows they are
[06:39] <ForgeAus> not sure about the linux world
[06:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus the natural format is fat12 i believe  but i have used fat16 on all floppies from win95 until i started using linux   now they are all ext2
[06:40] <fdoving> Black_Monkey: the message bus is dbus, the config files are in /etc/dbus-1/ - there is also /etc/hal/fdi/policy and /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor
[06:41] <ForgeAus> Intelikey kewl, um can I ask how it works to put fat 16 and or ext2 on a floppy?
[06:41] <jhutchins> D'Oh!  Of COURSE I can't install ndiswrapper with apt-get on the laptop that needs ndiswrapper for networking!
[06:41] <intelikey> ForgeAus from linux it's as simple as  mke2fs /dev/fd0
[06:41] <ForgeAus> normally you just use some kind of format command and it formats the disk putting a fat 12 partition on it, I assume you use some other method to do it with other filesystems
[06:41] <Black_Monkey> fdoving: ah, thanks
[06:41] <soulrider> hey
[06:42] <ForgeAus> oh ok manual cli stuff
[06:42] <Tm_T> jhutchins: like: I bought usb cable so I can use my mobile phone for networking, drivers in internet...
[06:42] <soulrider> im installing kubuntu on my dads PC! :D
[06:42] <ForgeAus> is there a gui tool?
[06:42] <soulrider> his computer is a friggin monster!
[06:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: yay! \o/
[06:42] <soulrider> its so uber
[06:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: big teeth?
[06:42] <soulrider> lol
[06:42] <intelikey> ForgeAus if you setup fstab for fd0 with type "auto" it mounts like a charm.       "don't use fs specific settings of course."
[06:42] <soulrider> im running the live CD almost as fast as kubuntu runs on my computer
[06:43] <fdoving> !away > dhq
[06:43] <soulrider> and its installing everything REALLY fast!
[06:43] <Tm_T> fdoving: oh boy you're fast
[06:43] <Tm_T> soulrider: :)
[06:43] <intelikey> ForgeAus for formating ?      prolly  i've never looked.
[06:43] <soulrider> fdoving: beats everyone
[06:43] <fdoving> Tm_T: the away messages annoy me :)
[06:43] <Tm_T> fdoving: same here
[06:43] <ForgeAus> for putting a filesystem other than fat12 on a floppy
[06:43] <Tm_T> soulrider: with big teeth it should
[06:43] <soulrider> guys, do you knwo if kickoff can be installed here? i know my dad loves lots of flashy things and bling bling :P
[06:43] <Tm_T> fdoving: kfloppy
[06:44] <Tm_T> soulrider: there might be some 3rd party packages somewhere
[06:44] <soulrider> im gonna have to look
[06:44] <soulrider> i got kickoff in Arch and its kinda cool
[06:44] <soulrider> also, is there some sort of "my computer" thing for KDE ?
[06:45] <Sephnroth> "Home"
[06:45] <soulrider> well not home
[06:45] <soulrider> as in
[06:45] <intelikey> soulrider kcontrol
[06:45] <soulrider> something you can open and see all your drives, your home dir and some info
[06:45] <Sephnroth> sorry i read what you said as "My Documents"
[06:45] <Sephnroth> XD
[06:45] <soulrider> i think suse had something like that
[06:45] <fdoving> ForgeAus: i belive this was for you: < Tm_T> fdoving: kfloppy
[06:45] <soulrider> kind of what GNOME has
[06:45] <ForgeAus> heeh kfloppy just formats a floppy as fat12 doesn't it?
[06:46] <ForgeAus> I got kfloppy let me run it and check
[06:46] <Tm_T> fdoving: whops, tabcomplete <3
[06:46] <jhutchins> soulrider: system:/ in konq.
[06:46] <fdoving> soulrider: gnome has this sysinfo:/ kio-slave, i did look at it for kubuntu a while back, didn't complete it though.
[06:46] <ForgeAus> hmm wierd command not found
[06:46] <soulrider> im scared of this installation, its running so fast and smoothly
[06:46] <ForgeAus> maybe I don't have it
[06:46] <fdoving> soulrider: i mean suse has this sysinfo:/
[06:46] <jhutchins> soulrider: system:/ in konq.
[06:46] <soulrider> im gonna check it out fdoving
[06:47] <intelikey> i've got a sideways question, who made it a compitetion between gnome and kde ?     use the parts of gnome you like, use the parts of kde you like; and why so much destinction between ?
[06:47] <ForgeAus> there shouldn't b imho
[06:48] <Sephnroth> fdoving: whats the next step for me mate?  network not coming up so.. what shall i open first to look for errors etc?  i really am out of my area when it comes to wireless, no clue.
[06:48] <ForgeAus> they're alternates of the same thing
[06:48] <jhutchins> intelikey: Different development philosophies.
[06:48] <ForgeAus> in fact if you have GTK+ and QT libraries you can choose to run most apps of either anyway....
[06:48] <soulrider> fdoving:  sysinfo:/ doesnt quite work, and system:/ doesnt seem friendly enough P
[06:48] <soulrider> :P
[06:48] <jhutchins> intelikey: Gnome aims for ease-of-use above functionality, kde functionality over ease-of-use.
[06:49] <ForgeAus> ahh no wonder I give preference to kde then!
[06:49] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i'll make a new paste for you. hang on.
[06:49] <Sephnroth> kk
[06:49] <soulrider> yeah, i like KDE too, but i liked some stuff about GNOME too
[06:49] <Sephnroth> appreiciate your time mate
[06:49] <ForgeAus> many apps seem to assume or default to gnome
[06:50] <syke> hi
[06:50] <fdoving> intelikey: checked openbox out? it's a little more complex :)
[06:50] <ForgeAus> yeah blackbox is nice
[06:50] <ForgeAus> either that or fluxbox
[06:50] <ForgeAus> I think I have openbox, dunno much about it tho
[06:50] <intelikey> fdoving yeah.   i like twm ok too
[06:50] <syke> about a week ago, knetworkmanager stopped being able to configure wireless networks on my laptop
[06:51] <syke> I was so ecstatic to find my issues from 6.10 had been fixed, but now it's back to the way it was :(
[06:51] <syke> any ideas what may have happened? my shell script for configuring the wireless still worked
[06:51] <fdoving> Sephnroth: http://rafb.net/p/A0TSzP66.html
[06:51] <Sephnroth> cheers mate
[06:51] <syke> I'm a paying Canonical customer, don't know if that helps at all :)
[06:52] <syke> this is with a bcm43xx driver/chipset
[06:52] <syke> using wpa_supplicant
[06:52] <syke> maybe I'll try in #ubuntu ...
[06:53] <fdoving> syke: i have the exactly same card, works for me with knetworkmanager, is this feisty?
[06:53] <syke> yes, with feisty
[06:53] <syke> all the latest packages
[06:54] <syke> Some update last week broke things, I assume
[06:54] <fdoving> syke: that works for me, what driver do you use? - feisty supplies two different modules. 'lsmod|grep bcm' to find out
[06:54] <syke> bcm43xx               123924  0
[06:54] <syke> ieee80211softmac       30720  1 bcm43xx
[06:54] <syke> ieee80211              33608  2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac
[06:55] <Sephnroth> fdoving: put in what you said (but with alot of lame blank lines thanks to the VI lameness over ssh) and brought eth1 down and back up, same errors
[06:55] <Sephnroth> and msgs
[06:55] <fdoving> syke: same as i use.
[06:55] <syke> hrm
[06:55] <jhutchins> syke: From the topic of #ubuntu+1: "Large parts of feisty were broken, Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel. 2.6.20-15.25 fixes these. Don't use feisty yet on production systems. Expect breakage."
[06:55] <syke> I'll try rm'ing my knetworkmanagerrc again
[06:55] <fdoving> Sephnroth: then i don't know. that work for me with an rt2500 device. do you have a hex key or a passphrase?
[06:56] <syke> jhutchins: yes, I know that, thanks :) I'm trying to help with testing here :)
[06:56] <soulrider> uhm, do intel graphic drivers install automatically _
[06:56] <fdoving> soulrider: should do, yes.
[06:56] <jhutchins> syke: Great, but it was probably last week's kernel update.
[06:56] <syke> ah ok
[06:56] <fdoving> jhutchins: it works for me, and i'm on 2.6.20-14
[06:56] <syke> so the -15.25 update might fix it?
[06:56] <fdoving> syke: what kernel are you on? 'uname -a'
[06:57] <fdoving> syke: might.
[06:57] <intelikey> syke not being intrusive but helping with testing should be in #ubuntu+1  shouldn't it ?
[06:57] <syke> 2.6.20-14-386
[06:58] <intelikey> i'm not trying to break up the convo   just saying
[06:58] <syke> intelikey: I wasn't sure, since this is technically kubuntu+1. fdoving and I can go over there, if this is somehow disruptive
[06:58] <soulrider> fdoving: awesome, you think i can get beryl up and running easily on one ?
[06:58] <syke> fdoving: I wonder if my wpa_supplicant config or something else got fux0red
[06:59] <intelikey> syke all *ubuntu development is  #ubuntu+1    but i'm not trying to run you off, just daying that it might be more helpful if the developers "all" saw it.
[06:59] <syke> intelikey: ok
[06:59] <intelikey> s/daying/saying/
[07:00] <syke> makes sense
[07:00] <maurizio> Hi
[07:00] <Sephnroth> fdoving: i asked my friend (rememebr i know nothing about wireless) and he replies with: there is a passphrase used to create the hexkey on the router, but it's just a hexxey on the pc side
[07:00] <fdoving> soulrider: yes, i have little experience with beryl, i can probably tell you in a week. when i get my new latitude with an intel graphics.
[07:00] <syke> fdoving: thanks for the help, I'll ask in #ubuntu+1 and may but you more later :)
[07:00] <maurizio> I was install driver ati
[07:00] <maurizio> Help me
[07:00] <fdoving> syke: please do. :)
[07:00] <fdoving> !ati | maurizio
[07:00] <ubotu> maurizio: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:01] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: You can use either ascii or hex to set the wep key on a card, in fact, I recently used iwconfig to convert ascii to hex.
[07:01] <jhutchins> Sephnroth: ... for another application.
[07:01] <maurizio> ok I read this how-to
[07:01] <soulrider> fdoving: i see, my dad is gonna get an nvidia card i think, but they are out of stock so he susing his on board intel one
[07:02] <soulrider> fdoving: will things get messy when he installs it or just reconfiguring xorg will fix everything _
[07:02] <jhutchins> soulrider: How could he guess that if he doesn't know what model card you're dad's getting?
[07:02] <fdoving> soulrider: not sure, can't understand why it would make problems. you will need to specify the default card though.. but that's easy.
[07:03] <jhutchins> soulrider: I would plan to be there to install the nvidia card, or expect to go do it before he can run kubuntu with it.
[07:03] <Sephnroth> fdoving:  i dont know what that knowledge does for me - i really am out in the stix intelectually here XD
[07:03] <soulrider> jhutchins: we live int he same house, so i think that if there sa problem i can trya nd fix it
[07:04] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. if it's a hex key, you will use 'wireless-key hexkeygoeshere' instead of 'wireless-key s:passphrase'
[07:04] <fdoving> Sephnroth: the s: part says it's a passphrase.
[07:04] <Sephnroth> ohhhh
[07:04] <Sephnroth> well thats one reason for it not working then
[07:04] <Sephnroth> cuz i got s:<hex>
[07:04] <soulrider> intelikey: i know, i type horribly
[07:05] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. try without the s: then :)
[07:05] <Sephnroth> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[07:05] <Sephnroth> still :/
[07:06] <Sephnroth> and network is down
[07:06] <syke> hrm
[07:06] <soulrider> i think kubuntu installed on this machine in around 5'7 minutes
[07:06] <soulrider> 5-7
[07:06] <syke> no love from ubuntu+1
[07:06] <fdoving> syke: did you try to update your kernel to the current one -15.25 ?
[07:07] <Sephnroth> fdoving: is the easier solution this ndiswrapper thing ppl keep going on about?
[07:07] <syke> I just got that update, maybe I'll reboot into it
[07:07] <fdoving> Sephnroth: no such file or directory?
[07:07] <Sephnroth> thats the output im getting
[07:07] <soulrider> i think intelikey hates  me =/
[07:08] <Sephnroth> basically everything i have tried today doesnt work, couldnt even compile the latest rt2500 cuz it insisted there was no rules to make it and blah
[07:08] <intelikey> no he dont
[07:08] <fdoving> Sephnroth: i have never used ndiswrapper for political reasons. so i wouldn't know hos hard/easy that is.
[07:08] <soulrider> ^^
[07:08] <Sephnroth> this is unfortunate cuz i've introduced plenty of ppl onlien to nix/*ubuntu and its gone perfect and smooth and they loved it
[07:08] <soulrider> gonna reboot and go tot he actual installation!
[07:08] <Sephnroth> now i converted a real life friend and this has been their first experiance :(
[07:08] <Tm_T> syke: wait and ask again :)
[07:09] <syke> I used to use ndiswrapper until about a year ago, when bcm43xx was stable enough
[07:09] <syke> my husband and I actually paid for linuxant before that, when ndiswrapper wasn't good enough
[07:10] <intelikey> yuch
[07:10] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. is the module loaded? (lsmod|grep -i rt25) is the device there? (lshw -short|grep eth1) - what does 'iwconfig eth1' say? (pastebin please?) - does 'iwlist eth1 scan' list the network?
[07:10] <Sephnroth> one sec and i'll provide you with your answers
[07:10] <Sephnroth> module is NOT loaded -_-;
[07:11] <Sephnroth> now it is
[07:11] <fdoving> Sephnroth: then that's why you can't ifup properly.
[07:11] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ifup again.. se if it helps.
[07:11] <Sephnroth> no go, same output after doing a down/up
[07:12] <Sephnroth> your 2nd question outputs:
[07:12] <Sephnroth> root@Ex-S:~# lshw -short|grep eth1
[07:12] <Sephnroth> /0/d0000000/8/6          eth1       network     BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller
[07:12] <fdoving> Sephnroth: it's not an RT2500! it's an bcm43xx!  :)
[07:13] <Sephnroth> dont look at me mate i dont know one from another, i started today by waking up to the IM messages "help, i got this kunbuntu installed n everything works except my wireless, i followed the wiki for the rt2500 driver but nothing is working properly"
[07:13] <Sephnroth> and have continued from that premice all day XD
[07:13] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ok. do this: 'sudo aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter' then 'sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh'
[07:14] <soulrider> im back :)
[07:14] <soulrider> edgy has to download 270mb of updates
[07:14] <soulrider> thats way too much...
[07:14] <fdoving> Sephnroth: then i'd suggest to change /etc/network/interfaces a little... i'll make a pastebin,.
[07:16] <fdoving> Sephnroth: http://rafb.net/p/lgg0PQ25.html - note that wireless-rate is set to 11M, i get best stability with that..
[07:16] <Sephnroth> done it all, all appears to be successfull except for one thing in the middle that i appear to be able to ignore, which was:
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: Sorry, it's not possible to extract "bcm43xx_microcode13.fw".
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: Extracting firmware from an old driver is bad. Choose a more recent one.
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: Luckily bcm43xx driver doesn't include microcode11 uploads at the moment.
[07:16] <Sephnroth> *****: But this can be added in the future...
[07:16] <soulrider> can someone paste the little home dir symbol for me? i cant type it on this keyboard
[07:17] <Minataku> ~
[07:17] <soulrider> thanks
[07:17] <Minataku> np
[07:17] <Tm_T> soulrider: that sounds fun =)
[07:17] <maurizio> Hi
[07:17] <intelikey> soulrider you can use $HOME  too
[07:17] <maurizio> My ati radeon 9200
[07:18] <maurizio> have not 3d
[07:18] <soulrider> intelikey: i didnt know that
[07:18] <maurizio> I have read how-to
[07:18] <cricksen> elp cant compile ndiswrapper
[07:18] <intelikey> that's why i mentioned it.
[07:18] <fdoving> Sephnroth: get http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/fw.tar.gz - unpack it to /lib/firmware/
[07:18] <maurizio> x.org is not start
[07:18] <Sephnroth> k will do that now fdoving - thanks.  worth noting though, his card is apprantly a linksys wmp54g - and on the ubuntu wiki for rt2500 driver, on the table saying what cards use that driver, his card is there :x
[07:18] <Sephnroth> k
[07:18] <maurizio> I have feisty
[07:19] <Tm_T> !feisty | maurizio
[07:19] <ubotu> maurizio: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:19] <maurizio> ok
[07:20] <fdoving> jhutchins: where do you find the acx100 firmware?
[07:21] <mikey> in edgy, I'm looking for a tool to allow read-write access to my ntfs partition (dual boot), as well as additional ide drives in my pc
[07:21] <mikey> any suggestions how to accomplish this?
[07:21] <ForgeAus> well in edgy you can use ntfs-3g
[07:21] <ForgeAus> or fuse to read/write with ntfs
[07:21] <ForgeAus> and in windows you can use
[07:21] <dope> when i try to stream music through gnump3d my winamp says error syncing to stream for every song
[07:21] <mikey> I've hard of a tool called ntfs-config avail. in feisty
[07:21] <ForgeAus> fs-driver.org 's ext2ifs driver to read your ext3 part
[07:22] <fdoving> Sephnroth: note that in the last paste i sometimes find it faster to associate with the AP if i add the wireless-ap <mac> to the interfaces file. it's not needed though.
[07:22] <ForgeAus> !ntfs
[07:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:22] <Sephnroth> fdoving:  that appears to of worked!
[07:22] <dope> can anyone help plz
[07:22] <fdoving> Sephnroth: great :)
[07:22] <mikey> yea, got the ifs driver, works great going that direction
[07:22] <_Johny> I've got a problem with KDE sessions - When I try to lock one , or open a new one, my screen turns black and I have to reboot the computer. My KDE version is 3.5.6. I'm using Kubunty edgy 6.10 with 2.6.17-11-generic kernel
[07:22] <mikey> will try ntfs-3g
[07:22] <fdoving> Sephnroth: do you happen to have the link to the page you read that the device was an rt2500 one at hand?
[07:22] <_Johny> My graphics driver is fglrx
[07:22] <ForgeAus> check out the webpage anyway mikey
[07:22] <fdoving> _Johny: what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-f7 ?
[07:22] <ForgeAus> (the link above)
[07:23] <Sephnroth> http://ralink.rapla.net/
[07:23] <fdoving> _Johny: after it blacks out?
[07:23] <_Johny> fdoving: nothing
[07:23] <Sephnroth> which is linked to from:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500#head-930554cc0b7ea23e53c5897ed13a336cf960f874
[07:23] <mikey> ForgeAus: thanks.
[07:23] <ForgeAus> it tells you if you need to know any mods to the fstab etc)
[07:23] <Sephnroth> hey mikey
[07:23] <Sephnroth> XD
[07:23] <jacques_> hi good job there
[07:23] <_Johny> fdoving: If im'not locking a session I still can switch to kdm with ctrl+alt+bcksp
[07:24] <dope> when i try to stream music through gnump3d my winamp says error syncing to stream for every song
[07:24] <intelikey> ^+alt+<  kills xorg
[07:24] <dope> anyone know why
[07:25] <mikey> yes sephnroth, what's up?
[07:25] <jacques_> i can not power off completely my laptop
[07:25] <Sephnroth> just randomly greeting people, dont mind me mate ;)
[07:26] <jhutchins> dope: Winamp.
[07:26] <mikey> hehe, tis ok:)
[07:26] <dope> jhutchins: ?
[07:26] <jhutchins> dope: The problem is winamp.
[07:26] <dope> oh
[07:26] <jhutchins> dope: It's not catching the song changes.
[07:26] <mikey> !ntfstools
[07:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfstools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <mikey> !ntfsprogs
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfsprogs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <russ_> anyone know how to install HairyArsecheeks.bin?
[07:27] <jhutchins> dope: see if you can listen to the stream from linux (on the same box if necessary).
[07:27] <intelikey> try !info packagesname
[07:27] <jhutchins> dope: There are also some other stream severs avaialble, you could see if winamp likes any of them better.
[07:27] <dope> it's on a server
[07:27] <jhutchins> gstreamer, vlc, etc.
[07:27] <mikey> !info ntfsprogs
[07:27] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 532 kB
[07:28] <mikey> !info ntfstools
[07:28] <ubotu> ntfstools: transitional package to install ntfsprogs. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 27 kB, installed size 56 kB
[07:28] <dope> jhutchins: it's not playing in itunes either
[07:28] <russ_> get over it already
[07:28] <jhutchins> dope: Hm.  I'd try one of the other streamers then, see what it does.
[07:28] <dope> jhutchins: can you recommend one
[07:28] <jhutchins> !ops | russ_, troll from yesterday, is back.
[07:28] <ubotu> russ_, troll from yesterday, is back.: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[07:28] <mikey> ty intelikey
[07:28] <intelikey> !messagethebot
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about messagethebot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:29] <intelikey> !msgthebot
[07:29] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:29] <intelikey> np
[07:29] <fdoving> nixternal: i'm around, he hasn't done anything illegal yet.
[07:29] <nalioth> russ_: please be civil
[07:29] <nixternal> fdoving: I am watching
[07:29] <russ_> oh purlease
[07:30] <hak5fan> I'm reinstalling Kubuntu right now. I upgraded the xserver to the horrible version 10.3 and borke my system
[07:31] <bigdad1e> hey, how do i get to watch videos on konqueror? on the internet..
[07:31] <intelikey> !flash
[07:31] <Sephnroth> hey in a couple of hours i will be putting new hardware into my home server.  i'll have to reinstall ubuntu on it so i will probably download the latest.  now its a pure server - shares the net between my home network computers, serves apache, php, mysql, svn, etc
[07:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:31] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:31] <Sephnroth> so im thinking of getting the server edition with its LAMP setup etc
[07:32] <Sephnroth> but i like having a front end for things like the firewall using firestarter etc so.. is it easy enough to install gnome if i insnstall from the server cd?
[07:32] <fdoving> Sephnroth: yes.
[07:32] <syke> no dice, the update/reboot didn't help :(
[07:32] <intelikey> Sephnroth those two words don't make much sense togather.  "server & latest"
[07:32] <Sephnroth> sorry
[07:32] <syke> is there some other config file that knetworkmanager reads that might be corrupted somehow?
[07:32] <Sephnroth> i mean latest stable, edgey instead of breazy
[07:32] <Sephnroth> not feisty ;)
[07:33] <intelikey> ok
[07:33] <fdoving> syke: not likely, the device is not listed in /etc/network/interfaces is it?
[07:33] <syke> it is
[07:33] <intelikey> Sephnroth to answer your Q   yes
[07:33] <syke> auto eth1
[07:33] <syke> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[07:33] <syke> wpa-essid h00t1e
[07:33] <syke> wpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK
[07:33] <syke> wpa-passphrase xxxxx:)
[07:33] <fdoving> syke: remove it all, or add # at the begining of the lines.
[07:34] <fdoving> !away > dhq
[07:34] <syke> oh, is this it???
[07:34] <fdoving> syke: yes.
[07:34] <syke> how did this get added here?
[07:34] <fdoving> syke: don't know. but it should not be there if you want to use knetworkmanager.
[07:34] <syke> ok
[07:34] <intelikey> Sephnroth a simple command   sudo apt-get install {gnome,ubuntu-desktop}    depending on which of the two you desire.
[07:34] <syke> ohhh
[07:34] <syke> I think I know what happened
[07:35] <Sephnroth> ubuntu-desktop?
[07:35] <Ahmuck> grr
[07:36] <intelikey> Sephnroth that would install gnome-session and all the ubuntu default apps.      gnome  would install gnome-session and all the "gnome apps"     both  gnome and ubuntu-desktop are meta packages
[07:36] <fdoving> Sephnroth: ubuntu-desktop is the complete ubuntu system, i doubt you want that, i'd rather recommend installing firestarter when you need it, then start it from within a ssh session from one of your clients. then it'll be X-forwarded to you client from the server. and you won't have to install all the other crap on the server.
[07:36] <cheeseboy> is it possible to  have dual monitors with nv driver?
[07:36] <intelikey> Sephnroth same is true for    {kde,kubuntu-desktop}
[07:37] <intelikey> xfce xubuntu-desktop    "i think,  not sure that xfce is part of edgy.  might not be a meta package for that other than the *-desktop one"
[07:39] <Ahmuck> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <syke__> oops, connection reset somehow
[07:40] <syke__> oops, connection reset somehow
[07:40] <intelikey> fdoving and yes.  i was simply answering the question he/she asked.     but in most cases i would have to agree.
[07:40] <syke__> any other configs I need to reset?
[07:40] <bigdad1e> what is the lib directory that i save flash player to my konqueror?
[07:40] <cheeseboy> is it possible to  have dual monitors with nv driver?
[07:40] <syke__> as I said, this did work at one time, seemingly out of the box :)
[07:40] <fdoving> syke__: after changing that file you should restart dbus or reboot, then try again with knetworkmanager.
[07:41] <ganymed> hi
[07:41] <ganymed> i have just installed feisty beta. pretty amazingly, everything (except ati graphics support) worked out of the box, including (k)networkmanager
[07:43] <ganymed> after updating, though, knetworkmanager doesn't recognise my wireless interface (eth1, ipw2200) as 'eligible' anymore, eth1 is in interfaces, commenting it out didn't work. any ideas?
[07:43] <bigdad1e> what is the lib directory that i save flash player to my konqueror?
[07:43] <CVirus> !wine
[07:43] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:43] <ubuntu_> d
[07:44] <ganymed> any ideas why networkmanager wouldn't recognise my card anymore?
[07:44] <soulrider> is there a way to place a trash icon on the Desktop?
[07:45] <dirgedoll> i downloaded a tar.gz file and want to unzip it how do I do that? thanks.
[07:45] <bigdad1e> what folder is all my programs in?
[07:45] <soulrider> dirgedoll: right click it and then extract
[07:46] <dirgedoll> ok
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> dirgedoll: or if you'd prefer the commandline, 'tar -zxvf file'
[07:46] <fdoving> !software | dirgedoll
[07:46] <ubotu> dirgedoll: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[07:46] <soulrider> bigdad1e: programs will go to /usr/bin and /opt/ i think
[07:46] <Ahmuck> soulrider: yes
[07:46] <fdoving> !software > bigdad1e
[07:47] <soulrider> bigdad1e: see if you can read that guide, it will help you understand some things
[07:47] <bigdad1e> soulrider: im trying to install flash to konqueror
[07:47] <bigdad1e> i just need to know where to install it and im done
[07:47] <soulrider> bigdad1e: check out that guide the bit sent you, its awesome
[07:47] <soulrider> bigdad1e: we dont install things that way here in linux, its a lot easier to install actually
[07:47] <soulrider> !flash
[07:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:47] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:48] <bigdad1e> thats how im doing it
[07:48] <dirgedoll> thanks i just wanted to extract it heh
[07:49] <soulrider> bigdad1e: if you install the flashplugin'nonfree package, it will install flash 9 for all browsers
[07:49] <bigdad1e> ok thanks
[07:49] <soulrider> dirgedoll: could you extract ir alright _
[07:50] <soulrider> does anyone know how i can add a trash icon in my desktop? i dont want it in the panel
[07:50] <Hc> hey
[07:50] <soulrider> hi hc
[07:50] <Hc> how much mem should i leave to grub stage 1.5?
[07:50] <Hc> min requirement
[07:50] <Hc> hi soulrider =)
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm looking back at when i started using ubuntu...  i was frustrated because i couldn't do anything substantial without using the CLI.  now i go to a windows machine and i'm frustrated when i don't have the CLI :\
[07:50] <Hc> just bought a laptop
[07:50] <soulrider> you dont have to make a partition for grub or anything
[07:50] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i feel the same way!!
[07:50] <stivani> soulrider: cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/directory.trash ~/Desktop
[07:51] <dirgedoll> yeah it works just fine thanks
[07:51] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i get so pissed off when i cant type 'killall'
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> amen
[07:52] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: and you need to use 'killall'in windows a lot! :P
[07:52] <Peaker> Windows frustrates me to no end, and not just the lack of a command line :P
[07:52] <dirgedoll> indeed
[07:52] <Peaker> I think the lack of xkill is wrose than than the lack of killal
[07:52] <dirgedoll> i'm just starting with command lines
[07:52] <Peaker> I like ctrl+meta+del on KDE letting me kill The Process Of A Window
[07:52] <cheeseboy> why don't nvidia drivers work in fiesty?
[07:52] <Peaker> In Windows, you X the window - WAIT 10 bloody seconds. Click end task, WAIT 10 more, and then HOPE it worked at all
[07:53] <Peaker> with KDE I just Ctrl+meta+del, and click the window, done
[07:53] <ganymed> !knetworkmanager
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetworkmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <ganymed> !networkmanager
[07:53] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[07:53] <soulrider> dirgedoll: the command line can seem a bit scary at first, but its just awesome, and FAST!
[07:54] <dirgedoll> what can you do with it
[07:55] <soulrider> dirgedoll: everything! intelikey here doesnt even have a graphic enviroment, and he can still listen to music, watch movies and browse web pages!
[07:55] <dirgedoll> thats cool
[07:55] <soulrider> dirgedoll: you can also do almost all common tasks faster than in a GUI
[07:56] <dirgedoll> i was wanting to put my trashcan on my desktop too how did you do that again?
[07:56] <soulrider> dirgedoll: open konqueror and go to  /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/
[07:56] <soulrider> and then drag the trash can into the desktop and select the option to make a link
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: i finally got fed up with using konsole, and installed kuake
[07:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i use yakuak
[07:57] <soulrider> e
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> anything to recommend it over kuake?
[07:57] <soulrider> but i also open a konsole with meta+f12
[07:57] <bigdad1e> !flash
[07:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: dunno
[07:57] <soulrider> BRB
[07:58] <russ_> rimming
[07:58] <bigdad1e> soulrider: my flash isnt working i installed it but nothing
[07:58] <Tm_T> hi MK_Mike
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, both troublemakers have arrived
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[07:59] <stivani> soulrider: I think it's better to copy from /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/ instead of linking
[07:59] <dirgedoll> it worked thanks!
[07:59] <MK_Mike> hey Tm_T
[07:59] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: both?
[07:59] <stivani> soulrider: you will have problems if you want to rename you trashcan :)
[07:59] <intelikey> i "might" use a gui more often if i could get an enbeded tabbed terminal as wallpaper....         or maybe not.
[07:59] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: how are you today?
[07:59] <Sephnroth> anyone musically inclinded ever got reason running well under kubuntu?
[08:00] <Sephnroth> i've been going down my checklist of things that need to work to make windows completely and utterly redundant and thats the only box left unticked :x
[08:00] <intelikey> stivani how so ?
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> "reason"?
[08:00] <dirgedoll> It's a killer music prog
[08:00] <Tm_T> MK_Mike: fine thanks, more in -offtopic ;)
[08:00] <Sephnroth> propellerheads reason, its my virtual rack/software synth/sequencer of choice
[08:01] <Sephnroth> and i just bought it legitmately finally cuz i saved and the program deserves it
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> does it run under wine?
[08:01] <stivani> intelikey: if you rename it, you can't
[08:01] <Sephnroth> so i sorta want that working XD
[08:01] <dirgedoll> the only reason I keep my windows box at all is the sims, world of warcraft, and rebirth
[08:01] <intelikey> stivani odd that shouldn't happen
[08:01] <Tm_T> Sephnroth: you might like to use jack for audio
[08:01] <Sephnroth> i dunno, thats half of what im asking.  the wine db has mixed responses
[08:01] <stivani> intelikey: if you copy it, you can rename it to "trashcan" for example
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> does fiesty have kaffeine ?
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> kubunto ?
[08:02] <intelikey> stivani i may have to install kde just to see this anomily
[08:02] <Tm_T> MaDiNfO_: it does
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> version ?
[08:02] <MaDiNfO_> 0.8.4 ?
[08:02] <Tm_T> 0.8.3 says mine
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> no plans to upgrade ?
[08:03] <Tm_T> MaDiNfO_: no idea
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> ok
[08:03] <fdoving> probably too late.
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> i've haded on kaffeine project page
[08:03] <Tm_T> MaDiNfO_: prolly when new KDE release comes, then in kubuntu.org repository
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Sephnroth: you have a couple options, you can either try under wine (which has recently started getting better with app compatibility, rather than just how many apps run), or vmware with a windows install
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> ubunto/kubuntu
[08:03] <stivani> intelikey: I might be wrong, but a normal user hasn't write acces to the trash file in /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/ if you link to it
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> you can also bug propellerheads to release a linux version of reason :D
[08:03] <MaDiNfO_> way to install
[08:04] <fdoving> stivani: you can copy it.
[08:04] <Sephnroth> Daisuke_Ido: lol @ last option, you may as well ask them fot VSt suppor XD
[08:04] <Sephnroth> *support
[08:04] <stivani> fdoving: that's wat I try to say that it's safer to copy it instead of linking to it ;)
[08:04] <akinax> !flash
[08:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:04] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[08:04] <Sephnroth> Tm_T: from what i can gather, Jack is a sort of.. alsa alternitive?
[08:04] <akinax> !flash
[08:05] <Tm_T> Sephnroth: yes, what I've heard, it's far better for your purpose than alsa, but no real experience
[08:05] <Ricky> I have installed Counter-Strike: Source using Wine. However, when I try to get into a game, it exits with a directx error, something to the tune of "Failed to lock index buffer". Has anyone had that problem? How can I get CS:S running with Wine?
[08:05] <Tarsus> Hello, having difficulty in OpenGL, anyone here have experience with geforce 2s and the legacy driver?
[08:06] <Sephnroth> sounds interesting - but of no use if reason wont work in the first place :(  will have to see how that goes
[08:06] <Tarsus> using edgy btw
[08:06] <jacques__> help here
[08:06] <Sephnroth> ah well, gotta upgrade my dads pc using the left overs of mine, then upgrade the server using the left overs on his, then get oses on his, the server and add kubuntu 64 to this my new amd system
[08:06] <Sephnroth> ...im not going to be finished tonight i dont think :(
[08:06] <jacques__> I have killed my system
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> Sephnroth: wine on an amd64 isn't a cakewalk
[08:07] <Sephnroth> oh, joy
[08:07] <Sephnroth> thats not the news i wanted
[08:07] <jacques__> I just wanted to install beryl now the computer can not boot
[08:07] <dirgedoll> the horror :(
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> how much ram are you working with?
[08:07] <jacques__> can someone help here
[08:07] <Sephnroth> a gig of high speed
[08:08] <Tm_T> intelikey: you rooted us all
[08:08] <russ_> titwank69
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> then you probably don't *need* the 64 bit version of kubuntu
[08:08] <ganymed> how is the kde frontend for encoding audio files called?
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !info soundkonverter
[08:09] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[08:09] <Sephnroth> im begining to wonder what the point was in getting a 64bit chip though
[08:09] <Sephnroth> xp 64 is terriable for driver suppot so *kick* out the window
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> still runs 32 bit apps faster
[08:09] <Sephnroth> now kubuntu is a bit dodge in 64bit too? :/
[08:09] <Sephnroth> does anything run 64bit properly atm?! T_T
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and kubuntu is a lot farther along, just not *quite* there yet
[08:10] <Sephnroth> hows fiesty for 64?
[08:10] <geggam> 64 bit processors make great servers
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> small things like wine and flash are the only things i've heard about being problems
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> but i think they can be done
[08:10] <Tm_T> Sephnroth: well, still there is proprietary or otheway limited stuff that hinders, but mostly it is already "in there"
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, the OS itself is great
[08:11] <dirgedoll> I think so too
[08:11] <ganymed> thx
[08:11] <Sephnroth> but i can expect random things in wine to not work?
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[08:12] <Tarsus> n/m found a nice faq on the topic
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> you can expect installing wine to be a minor headache
[08:12] <Tarsus> google isn't as much my friend as this chan
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and then it should run as well as on any other system
[08:12] <Sephnroth> but once installed it will be like normal?
[08:12] <Sephnroth> would there be any merit in purchessing crossover or cedega perhaps?
[08:13] <intelikey> what provides /usr/bin/startkde ?
[08:13] <ForgeAus> kde-base?
[08:13] <Tm_T> intelikey: apt:/ doesn't help? kdebase should be it
[08:14] <geggam> !startkde
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about startkde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <ForgeAus> does kubuntu install kdebase? or is it somewhere else in kubuntu-desktop?
[08:14] <intelikey> thanks guys.
[08:15] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: one of the dependencies of kubuntu-desktop I believe
[08:15] <ForgeAus> kewl Tm_T, just checking...
[08:16] <Ahmuck> ForgeAus: kubuntu requires kde-base
[08:16] <geggam> intelikey,  cd /var/cache/apt/archives$ for a in * ; do dpkg -c $a | grep startkde ; done
[08:16] <intelikey> kdebase depends on the package that provides startkde     ffr.  it's  ksmserver
[08:16] <Tm_T> intelikey: heh
[08:16] <intelikey> geggam that would assume the package is local
[08:16] <Sephnroth> that was.. interesting.  unplugged my usb keyboard and my pc randomly restarted itself >_>
[08:16] <Sephnroth> musical keyboard that is
[08:16] <Tm_T> intelikey: apt:/ is yourr friend
[08:16] <geggam> i have startkde
[08:16] <geggam> thus i would assume that
[08:16] <Sephnroth> i think i'll blame windows for that one
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Sephnroth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64
[08:17] <intelikey> Tm_T that would assume konqueror   i think
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> check that out on installing wine.  like i said, minor headache at most
[08:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: yes
[08:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: I think it does search packages.ubuntu.com too
[08:17] <intelikey> Tm_T was trying to get a kde session so i could try that renaming a link on the desktop
[08:17] <Tm_T> :)
[08:18] <Sephnroth> ido - not too bad at all
[08:19] <geggam> ok this is boring... back to TV
[08:21] <ganymed> has anybody got envy to work with feisty?
[08:22] <intelikey> well what kde is doing is  'not reading the file name' it's dereferncing the link and reading the title from the file
[08:22] <Kikkoman> Would I go here or to #ubuntu for KDE?
[08:23] <intelikey> when you rename them it does indeed change the name
[08:23] <intelikey> but what you see in the "desktop" is unaffected.
[08:23] <intelikey> interesting.    i'd consider that a bug in kde
[08:24] <intelikey> it's probably called a 'feature'
[08:24] <intelikey> Kikkoman here
[08:26] <soulrider> guys, is there a way to import emails and contatcs from outlook in windows to kmail?
[08:26] <intelikey> contacts ?   address book ?
[08:27] <soulrider> yeah
[08:27] <soulrider> and all emails
[08:27] <intelikey> soulrider export from M$ as  comma seperated text
[08:27] <intelikey> soulrider as to the emails   i don't really know.
[08:28] <soulrider> i think i found somethign int he forums
[08:28] <soulrider> make thunderbird in windows import
[08:28] <intelikey> you could save them all into a folder   depending on how many
[08:28] <soulrider> and somehting in linux import from thunderbird P
[08:28] <intelikey> soulrider should work
[08:29] <soulrider> yeah, im gonna try that
[08:29] <mikey> ok, I installed ntfs-3g.  now what?
[08:29] <soulrider> i dont liek the idea of my dad going to windows to use autocad and coreldraw...
[08:29] <soulrider> mikey: youre gonna ahve to edit fstab
[08:30] <mikey> I could always see my ntfs files, open them, but still cannot save to that dir
[08:30] <mikey> ok..
[08:30] <mikey> how do I edit fstab?
[08:31] <soulrider> mikey: youre gonna need to edit fstab so it mounts your ntfs drives with the ntfs'3g driver
[08:31] <soulrider> let me give you a link to the howto
[08:31] <mikey> excellent, ty
[08:31] <intelikey> i have got to trim ship on this system.   it's using more ram without X than the other with X   Mem usage: 22/249 MB (8%)      as opposed to 18m
[08:32] <russ_> hairy bum-flaps
[08:32] <soulrider> mikey: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/
[08:32] <mikey> ty
[08:32] <soulrider> intelikey: youre still using almost no RAM at all :P
[08:33] <intelikey> soulrider not on a 64m box   need to stay under 16m for the base system to have free ram for vidios
[08:33] <soulrider> i think im gonna make a wiki entry on how to import emails and contacts from windows into linux
[08:33] <SubOne> is there a log file for adept as far as which packages have been installed/uninstalled?
[08:33] <soulrider> intelikey: whats vidios ?
[08:33] <intelikey> on this box i have 256 so no biggy,  it's just that i know it can do better
[08:34] <soulrider> SubOne: not sure but there probably is
[08:34] <intelikey> soulrider teaching tracks.
[08:34] <soulrider> intelikey: youre a teacher ?
[08:34] <intelikey> i'm a profesional learner
[08:34] <intelikey> :)
[08:34] <soulrider> arent we all ?
[08:34] <dirgedoll> lol
[08:35] <mrvanes> anybody here?
[08:35] <dirgedoll> no
[08:35] <dirgedoll> hehe
[08:35] <soulrider> yes mrvanes
[08:35] <mrvanes> ok
[08:36] <soulrider> dirgedoll: that one never gets old :P
[08:36] <mrvanes> so, I'm trying feist (not the upgrade)
[08:36] <soulrider> hi Daisuke_Ido
[08:36] <intelikey> for someone that cant spell 'i' without leaving out a letter ot two,   i have no business teaching others
[08:36] <dirgedoll> no it never does hehe
[08:36] <mrvanes> and twice had no success using samba
[08:36] <mrvanes> am I the only one?
[08:36] <soulrider> i never had a single issue with samba, it allways worked out fo the box for me
[08:37] <mrvanes> Ok, so look at bug (just wait)
[08:37] <soulrider> it hink im a lucky person, ive had better experiences with linux than with windows, event he support for my hardware ahs been better here tjan in windows
[08:37] <mrvanes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/95460
[08:37] <soulrider> ahh, youre using feisty
[08:37] <mrvanes> this happened exactly 2 times, on 2 completely different machines
[08:38] <mrvanes> one 'real' machine, and one time in a virtual (vmware) machine
[08:38] <soulrider> did you see the second comment ?
[08:38] <mrvanes> well, that's me
[08:38] <soulrider> LOL, didnt see
[08:38] <mrvanes> but I don't think it's wise to have everybody who installs feisty to downgrade to edgy packages
[08:39] <mrvanes> I mean... it's 5 to 12 before release!!!
[08:39] <mrvanes> or however you say that in english ;)
[08:39] <soulrider> mrvanes: maybe its better to talk about thsi with the devs in #ubuntu+1
[08:39] <mrvanes> I'm just a woried ubuntu believer, and would hate to see this bug hit the streets
[08:39] <soulrider> yeah
[08:40] <mrvanes> yeah, well I was just trying to get into this, cause I got worried... will try the other channel then
[08:40] <soulrider> yeah, youll get more feedback there
[08:40] <olimpico> I have a laptop with docking station and I installed Kubuntu, the external monitor works but the Laptop monitor doesn't. Can somone please give me a hint where I can find a Howto configure this?
[08:41] <soulrider> yay, i think this is the first time i see an op in this channel
[08:41] <soulrider> amd i didnt know Tm_T was one
[08:41] <intelikey> !fixres | olimpico
[08:41] <ubotu> olimpico: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: ?
[08:42] <soulrider> i cant believe how fast this computer is
[08:42] <soulrider> Tm_T: nothing, didnt mena to bother you :P
[08:42] <mikey> I am following the howto to install ntfs-3g.  1st. step says type "gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" which don't work
[08:42] <soulrider> mikey: youre using KDE ?
[08:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: aah, I'm one of those evils, yes
[08:42] <mikey> yup
[08:42] <intelikey> soulrider jucato nalioth fdoving Tm_T  and lots of others that come in here are all ops
[08:42] <olimpico> intelikey: So every time I undock my laptop I have to restart my X server?
[08:42] <soulrider> mikey: do 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" instead
[08:43] <olimpico> intelikey: there's no other way?
[08:43] <mikey> ok, ty
[08:43] <intelikey> olimpico not that i know of.
[08:43] <soulrider> intelikey: yeah, i just never see them marked as ops, or at leats never noticed
[08:43] <intelikey> olimpico dualhead the thing maybe ?
[08:43] <soulrider> i wonder if hawkwind isnt using ubuntu anymore
[08:44] <olimpico> dualhead?
[08:44] <olimpico> intelikey: What do you mean?
[08:44] <mikey> msg says kate: cannot connect to X server :0
[08:44] <olimpico> intelikey: I didn't understand
[08:44] <intelikey> olimpico yes set it up to display on both at the same time
[08:44] <soulrider> mikey: yeah, dont worry about those errors
[08:44] <soulrider> well, its opening right ?
[08:44] <olimpico> intelikey: I have tried that, but it never works
[08:44] <mikey> nope, finished in term window
[08:44] <nalioth> ... and intelikey makes the bells ring . . .
[08:45] <Tm_T> nalioth: =)
[08:45] <intelikey> on occation
[08:45] <intelikey> :)
[08:45] <olimpico> intelikey: Because the resolution is different for both
[08:45] <ganymed> is there any chance to get the fglrx drivers to work in feisty (due to xorg 7.2)???
[08:46] <mikey> soulrider: any suggestions?
 intelikey: Because the resolution is different for both <<<< is that a lame excuse, or am i missing something ?
[08:46] <intelikey> mikey use nano
[08:46] <mikey> nano...?
[08:46] <intelikey> !nano
[08:46] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:47] <superkirbyartist> I've been trying to enable Direct Rendering on my iMac forever.  Can anyone help me please?
[08:47] <intelikey> ganymed someone in the fiesty chan might know   /join #ubuntu+1
[08:48] <BQ-AFK> Hello people.
[08:48] <coreymon77> when is feisty officially being realease as stable
[08:48] <BQ-AFK> I just dled 6.10 and want to install but it seems to be a live cd.
[08:48] <Tm_T> coreymon77: 19.
[08:48] <BQ-AFK> Does it have an install function?
[08:48] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: yes, in livecd
[08:48] <coreymon77> Tm_T: in 5 days
[08:49] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: you can use it while you install it ;)
[08:49] <intelikey> BQ-AFK yes, for what it's worth.
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Tm_T: pardon?
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Oh I see
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Its a live session install?
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> Like Puppy Linux
[08:49] <coreymon77> Tm_T: did you mean the 19th of this month?
[08:49] <Tm_T> coreymon77: yes
[08:49] <Tm_T> and yes, 5 days
[08:49] <BQ-AFK> So there is an install option in kmenu?
[08:50] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: in desktop
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> or is it hidden or a command?
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> Ah ok thanks
[08:50] <intelikey> BQ-AFK supposed to be on the desktop
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> bbs, hopefully.
[08:50] <BQ-AFK> Thank you both
[08:50] <Tm_T> BQ-AFK: come here while you install it, and we'll see ... oh, he's gone
[08:50] <intelikey> loo tate
[08:51] <ganymed> thx. there is a feisty channel? interesting
[08:51] <soulrider> ganymed: yeah, #ubuntu+1
[08:51] <Tm_T> ganymed: sure there is, #ubuntu+1 always helps with development version
[08:51] <soulrider> i beat you :P
[08:52] <intelikey> ganymed actually it's the ubuntu+1 = development channel.   was hoary then breezy then dapper then edgy now feisty and in a month or so ....   what ever is next
[08:52] <soulrider> gutsy gibbon
[08:52] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:52] <soulrider> hi slow-motion
[08:53] <Tm_T> soulrider: intelikey; yes I know, I'm old and slow
[08:53] <slow-motion> hi soulrider
[08:53] <soulrider> how are you slow-motion
[08:53] <intelikey> what did do ?
[08:53] <slow-motion> fine
[08:53] <soulrider> :)
[08:53] <Sephnroth> mm, my friend is trying to install his surround sound stuff and having problem.  hes got all the nvsound stuff compiled and done, the module is loaded.  he cant run "nvmixer" however, permission denied.  if "sudo nvmixer" then file not found.  sshed in as root, chmod 777 nvmixer - then if i try and run from ssh "cant connect to x server" (duh, im using putty in windows) if he does it
[08:53] <Sephnroth> still permission denied
[08:54] <ganymed> intelikey: never used a development version before, so i never recognised :) got my nb back from repairing and thought, it might not pay off to install edgy any more, i mean it's only one week left!
[08:54] <soulrider> theres allways someone older
[08:54] <soulrider> ganymed: yeah, i know what youre thinking
[08:55] <intelikey> ganymed sure   gopherit
[08:55] <mjrclark> if you need to be root to do something but "sudo dosomething" gives file not found, try "sudo -s" to get a root account (might need "fakeroot" installed)
[08:56] <soulrider> !easysource
[08:56] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:56] <ganymed> i mean, how unstable can it be. not more than the release candidate will be anyway ;) you know, it's always time for an update after the upgrade
[08:56] <intelikey> mjrclark sudo -i    :)
[08:56] <Sephnroth> wait, which do i tell him to type?
[08:56] <Sephnroth> -i ?
[08:57] <intelikey> -i is like   su -
[08:57] <mjrclark> both work.
[08:57] <intelikey> man sudo
[08:57] <Sephnroth> sudo -s to get the shell then ,
[08:57] <mjrclark> -s stays in the same directory, -i changes to root's home, from what I can tell.
[08:57] <Sephnroth> ./nvmixer or sudo -s ./nvmixer ?
[08:57] <intelikey> mjrclark correct
[08:58] <mjrclark> sudo -s
[08:58] <mjrclark> then ./nvmixer
[08:58] <intelikey> the tild will expand before the command    sudo ~/nvmixer       assuming home dir
[08:59] <intelikey> full path is the most stable way.   sudo /home/name/filename
[09:00] <Sephnroth> ok so hes done that and hes worked
[09:00] <Sephnroth> for refrance, is he still a super user now?
[09:00] <mjrclark> yeh, type "exit" for exit.
[09:00] <Sephnroth> k
[09:00] <intelikey> prompt will reflect that in most shells
[09:01] <intelikey> whoami also tells ya
[09:01] <intelikey> so would   id
[09:01] <intelikey> but you don't need all the output of id...
[09:03] <intelikey> and the -n switch errors out on this box...  id -n
[09:03] <intelikey> id: cannot print only names or real IDs in default format
[09:04] <intelikey> can anyone confirm that as normal ^ ?
[09:05] <olimpico> Is there a way to restart X server without loosing the KDE session?
[09:05] <intelikey> NightBird what format are they ?
[09:05] <intelikey> olimpico nope.
[09:05] <NightBird> intelikey: hm... the .ini like version...
[09:06] <intelikey> olimpico it can be restored.   if that would suffice
[09:06] <intelikey> NightBird can you dcc me one ?
[09:07] <NightBird> intelikey, I can't(dcc doesn't work through my college's firewall), but you can find alot of examples online
[09:07] <intelikey> NightBird ok.   was just going to check what all might use the same format.   but you can google for it.
[09:07] <mjrclark> intellikey- id -n does that for this fiesty too
[09:07] <olimpico> intelikey: How can you complete restore a KDE session?
[09:08] <intelikey> olimpico it's in the settings.   save session   auto save session restore session upon startup    restore saved session upon startup
[09:08] <jhutchins> intelikey: Confirmed on Mandriva/bash.
[09:09] <intelikey> jhutchins ok.    i wonder why it has switches that don't work per default ?
[09:09] <intelikey> mjrclark thanks.
[09:09] <dirgedoll> be back later.....
[09:11] <intelikey> wow we are above 400 users here.   that's not often seen in #kubuntu
[09:11] <etuxr> anyone know a good distro for somone how has used k/ubuntu for about a year and is looking for soming with more meat?
[09:12] <intelikey> etuxr more meat ?
[09:12] <intelikey> what do you mean ?
[09:13] <etuxr> somthing a bit geekyer with a higher learning curve
[09:13] <mHAris> Hi
[09:13] <Arwen> !sed
[09:13] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:13] <Arwen> ...
[09:13] <intelikey> etuxr press  ctrl+alt+f1    and you are as meaty as they get.
[09:13] <HARis> How can I log into root?
[09:14] <etuxr> not that hardcore
[09:14] <intelikey> !root | Haris
[09:14] <ubotu> Haris: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:14] <etuxr> one with a gui but more of a diy kind of thing
[09:14] <liam> when i try to use the adept to install packages i gt the following error -- "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[09:15] <liam> anyone have any ideas what it means?
[09:15] <adaptr> could be a corrupt dpkg database
[09:15] <Tm_T> etuxr: you can do in Kubuntu as much as you like
[09:15] <mjrclark> liam usual if you are doing an in development release.
[09:15] <intelikey> etuxr install windowmaker and log into that
[09:15] <mjrclark> ie fiesty.
[09:15] <Tm_T> etuxr: like, I do build part od KDE to myself, also KDE4 ;)
[09:15] <liam> im using kubuntu at the moment. never used to happen
[09:15] <Tm_T> intelikey: WindowMaker is too easy for someone looking challenge
[09:16] <liam> it just appeared one day!
[09:16] <intelikey> etuxr what i'm trying to get accross here is any linux distro    bar none   can be an adventure or a dooldrum
[09:16] <etuxr> I have been using ubuntu distros for a while but if you start doing things your self they seem to get a bit touchy
[09:16] <Tm_T> liam: try again?
[09:16] <Tm_T> etuxr: touchy?
[09:16] <liam> yeah i have. Various times today and yesterday
[09:16] <mjrclark> liam, (6.10 of 7.04 / edgy or fiesty)?
[09:16] <liam> ill try tomorow. hope its just a day thing
[09:16] <intelikey> etuxr :)       you can break any distro
[09:17] <etuxr> x crashes and kde apps dont work right
[09:17] <liam> edgy
[09:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: no, some distros are broken already
[09:17] <Tm_T> etuxr: then you have done something wrong
[09:17] <intelikey> Tm_T true  but i can even break them
[09:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: you can't break, but you can break more
[09:17] <jhutchins> etuxr: What do you mean "start doing things yourself"?
[09:17] <Tm_T> intelikey: there is difference
[09:18] <etuxr> can any one suggest anything more resiliont?
[09:18] <intelikey> ummmm  you say.
[09:18] <etuxr> comiling source and installing it
[09:18] <intelikey> etuxr less breakable than ubuntu.....    ummmm   no.
[09:18] <etuxr> compiling*
[09:18] <Arwen> etuxr, try um... Debian stable... it's, well, stable...
[09:18] <HarisZ> What's the best way to learn linux? :S
[09:19] <Arwen> HarisZ, by using it
[09:19] <liam> play wiht it i tihnk
[09:19] <intelikey> etuxr gentoo is a compilers * deram
[09:19] <HarisZ> :S
[09:19] <etuxr> kk ill takea look at debain then
[09:19] <liam> break it!
[09:19] <HarisZ> :o
[09:19] <mjrclark> guessing you want us to say a source based distro like gentoo.
[09:19] <etuxr> idk what i want really i feel like looking around though
[09:19] <intelikey> dream even
[09:20] <Arwen> etuxr, Linux From Scratch then
[09:20] <intelikey> etuxr you need to fall into a console and see how it works.     i know you said thats to "hardcore"  but it's not.
[09:21] <intelikey> etuxr it will keep you entertained and you still have the gui to go back to at any time.
[09:21] <etuxr> ok ill give it a try
[09:21] <jhutchins> etuxr: If you install source-compiled programs on a system with package management, you are by definition breaking the system.
[09:21] <borisyaltsin> Hi, what command do I use to figure out what ports are open on the local machine?
[09:22] <intelikey> pick you out a language and code something.
[09:22] <jhutchins> etuxr: You might try linux-from-scratch.
[09:22] <Arwen> the terminal isn't hardcore... awk is...
[09:22] <jhutchins> etuxr: I haven't seen a much support for building your own packages on kubuntu as on Mandriva, but that's a much better option.
[09:22] <HarisZ> How to check
[09:22] <HarisZ> what ubuntu version you are using?
[09:22] <HarisZ> :)
[09:22] <intelikey> borisyaltsin ports are open ?     are you running any servers/services ?
[09:22] <jhutchins> etuxr: Also, you should figure out what you're doing that's breaking things, since you are compiling the packages that cause things to break.
[09:23] <jhutchins> etuxr: You're not going to get around that by going to another distro.
[09:23] <etuxr> Isnt mandriva a pay distro?
[09:23] <HarisZ> How to check what kubuntu version you are using?
[09:23] <borisyaltsin> intelikey: I'm trying to figure out what port my https session for my torrent client is running on on my linux server;)
[09:23] <jhutchins> etuxr: One reason some pakcages are not available in binary format is that they're not sufficiently well made to be alowed on a system, they break things.
[09:23] <pacman> anyone know about thing about trying to move music on and off of a Sansa MP3 player using Kubuntu?
[09:23] <jhutchins> etuxr: No, free just like ubuntu.
[09:24] <jhutchins> etuxr: Optional club memberships and paid support.
[09:24] <Arwen> HarisZ, um... by checking the CD you have?
[09:24] <intelikey> Ahmuck:  nmap ?
[09:24] <etuxr> kk
[09:24] <borisyaltsin> I got it figured. thanks
[09:24] <intelikey> not Ahmuck .
[09:24] <intelikey> borisyaltsin ah; nmap
[09:24] <HarisZ> Version 6.06
[09:24] <HarisZ> :)
[09:24] <intelikey> borisyaltsin nmapfe  is good
[09:25] <borisyaltsin> netstat -ltpn
[09:25] <HarisZ> How to get a MacOSX view for ubuntu?
[09:26] <intelikey> kxdocker - innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker
[09:26] <etuxr> making a kubuntu box look like mac just takes some twiking of the kicker
[09:27] <HarisZ> Thanks! :)
[09:27] <gemidjy> HarisZ: type os x on kde-look.org
[09:28] <HarisZ> How to install applications? I just downloaded Firefox.
[09:28] <HarisZ> =/
[09:28] <gemidjy> use Adept Installer
[09:28] <HarisZ> I'm a linux noob. I'm sorry for dumb questions.
[09:28] <intelikey> dockers and slacks   with tee and cookies       is this linux or a clothing commercial
[09:28] <gemidjy> KMenu -> Add/remove applications
[09:29] <Bderenor> hi everyone
[09:30] <intelikey> !packages | HarisZ
[09:30] <ubotu> HarisZ: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:31] <HarisZ> No firefox for KDE?
[09:31] <HarisZ> :O
[09:31] <Bderenor> i have a problem with alsa in kubuntu edgy and feisty, is this the right place to ask soout that ?
[09:31] <intelikey> !ff | HarisZ
[09:31] <ubotu> HarisZ: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:31] <Bderenor> i've tried to fix it myself for almost 2 weeks now, so i thought it may be time to bother you guys
[09:32] <intelikey> Bderenor sure.
[09:32] <pacman> anyone know about thing about trying to move music on and off of a Sansa MP3 player using Kubuntu?
[09:32] <intelikey> Bderenor been to the wiki about it ?
[09:32] <intelikey> !sound | Bderenor
[09:32] <ubotu> Bderenor: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:33] <Arwen> man, the wine repository doesn't have feisty editions yet...
[09:33] <intelikey> feisty is not released yet
[09:33] <Bderenor> intelikey: oh yes. i've done abozt 3 days of google searching. the problem has nothing to do with arts. i've useed linux for five years and kubuntu for one year now, so i guess i'm not a total newbie
[09:33] <intelikey> why should it
[09:34] <Bderenor> intelikey: its a problem with the snd-hda-intel module
[09:34] <intelikey> Bderenor k, spell it out.
[09:34] <Bderenor> intelikey: sounds basically working, but the laptops internal speakers are muted, sound only works through the headphones
[09:35] <Bderenor> intelikey: alsmixer shows everything to be at maximum
[09:35] <HarisZ> Even after changing permissions to /opt/ folder
[09:35] <HarisZ> I can't copy/paste files.
[09:35] <Bderenor> intelikey: i've also tried every model the latest alsa-implementation has for snd-hda-intel
[09:35] <Bderenor> intelikey: no luck
[09:35] <intelikey> Bderenor  snd-hda-codec  is inserted ?
[09:36] <Bderenor> intelikey: yup
[09:36] <intelikey> !sudo | HarisZ
[09:36] <ubotu> HarisZ: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:36] <HarisZ> Oh, when I change permissions for the folder, it says  access denied to /opt/
[09:36] <Bderenor> intelikey: snd                    56324  11 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[09:37] <SkullCrusher> Is the FireFox Browser safer/better then the Konqueror Browser?
[09:37] <intelikey> Bderenor install aumix  and run it see if the speekers can be adjusted there.    and let me study on this a bit.
[09:38] <Bderenor> ok thx
[09:38] <Bderenor> intelikey: i will do that
[09:38] <vein> hello all
[09:38] <Bderenor> hi
[09:39] <Bderenor> intelikey: uhm. is there an ubuntu package for aumix?
[09:39] <vein> who can tell me how to use irc when my office lan just open port 80?
[09:39] <intelikey> Bderenor yes
[09:39] <intelikey> !info aumix
[09:39] <ubotu> aumix: Simple text-based mixer control program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.8-17 (edgy), package size 75 kB, installed size 440 kB
[09:40] <Bderenor> intelikey: i guess it's not in the feisty repository yet?
[09:41] <Bderenor> intelikey: no matter. i'll just install it from source
[09:41] <vein> anybody can tell me?
[09:41] <HarisZ> how to change folder permissions through terminal?
[09:41] <HarisZ> what are the commands.
[09:42] <vein> chmod
[09:42] <etuxr> anyone use a lossless music format, and what program are you using to play it?
[09:42] <Tm_T> Amarok for all, lossless or lossy
[09:42] <Bderenor> HarisZ: chmod +rwx to set read/write/execute permissions for the owner of the file
[09:43] <HarisZ> and what about other users?
[09:43] <Bderenor> HarisZ: chown to change the owner
[09:43] <Bderenor> HarisZ: o+rwx for other users
[09:43] <SilentDis> hello :)
[09:43] <Bderenor> hi :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> Bderenor: no, +rwx will change for all IIRC by default
[09:44] <Bderenor> Tm_T: hmm... *looks at manpage*
[09:44] <vein> chmod xxx is more better
[09:44] <SilentDis> just curious, does anyone have any idea how large the update will be for Edgy > Feisty?  I'm on dialup, and shipit only sends Desktop CDs, not alternate CDs
[09:44] <Cosmo_> I keep seeing in screenshots what looks like an applet with all kinds of system info like CPU speed, ram usage ect but I cant seem to find it
[09:44] <Bderenor> Tm_T: ah, youre right
[09:44] <Arwen> SilentDis, 700M-1GB
[09:44] <Tm_T> SilentDis: depends, might be ~500 MB or waaay more
[09:45] <Arwen> SilentDis, over dialup that's about 3 days :-)
[09:45] <raptor_hs> I need a ubuntu/debian repository for nvidia's ORIGINAL drivers?
[09:45] <HarisZ> BAH
[09:45] <HarisZ> What's the URL for the /opt/
[09:45] <Bderenor> HarisZ: sorry, u+rwx changes for the owner, g+rwx for users in the same group, o+rwx for users not in the group, a+rwx or +rwx for all
[09:45] <Arwen> raptor_hs, why not just download them manually?
[09:45] <etuxr> another music related question. Whats a good Music player for use with linux?
[09:45] <Tm_T> raptor_hs: what you mean by original?
[09:45] <Bderenor> afk
[09:45] <Bderenor> etuxr: amarok
[09:45] <Tm_T> etuxr: Amarok
[09:45] <intelikey> all the great beirded ones use octal perms    chmod 755 dir/
[09:45] <Bderenor> !info amarok
[09:45] <Arwen> etuxr, amarok
[09:45] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[09:45] <SilentDis> Arwen: i know.  this is gonna hurt, as I have 3 machines, all running different flavors, Xubuntu, Ubuntu, and Kubuntu
[09:45] <etuxr> sorry MP3 player
[09:45] <SilentDis> etuxr: I love Amarok :)
[09:46] <Arwen> SilentDis, buy a broadband line?
[09:46] <Cosmo_> will I just need to upgrade through the package manager when fiesty goes live?
[09:46] <Tm_T> etuxr: where's difference?
[09:46] <SilentDis> Arwen: if it was that simple, i would have already trust me.  it's just not available where i live :(
[09:46] <Arwen> SilentDis, move?
[09:46] <etuxr> ipod is an mp3 palyer
[09:46] <etuxr> but an ipod inst supported with linux
[09:46] <Arwen> etuxr, ipods don't play mp3 from what I recall?
[09:46] <Tm_T> etuxr: you mean mp3 player device
[09:46] <Arwen> doesn't the software transcode mp3 to aac?
[09:46] <intelikey> Bderenor what brand did you say your lappy is ?
[09:47] <Tm_T> or, music player device
[09:47] <HarisZ> It says /media/hdc3/opt no such file
[09:47] <HarisZ> =/
[09:47] <SilentDis> Arwen: lol.  I choose freedom and privacy over broadband.  I'm on 10 acres of rolling fields and forests :)
[09:47] <Arwen> SilentDis, satellite internet?
[09:47] <etuxr> Arwin yes they do but i woan tone that works nativly on linux
[09:47] <Tm_T> etuxr: AND iPod works with Amarok
[09:47] <Arwen> etuxr, you can use rockbox to fix the iPod software
[09:47] <raptor_hs> I need kernel 1.7184 restricted
[09:47] <intelikey> Bderenor and you should also post your issue in #ubuntu+1   the development channel.
[09:47] <Tm_T> Arwen: that's not always alternative
[09:47] <raptor_hs> the glx works OK
[09:48] <Arwen> Tm_T, why?
[09:48] <raptor_hs> but I cannot find the kernel
[09:48] <intelikey> Bderenor ?
[09:48] <SilentDis> Arwen: I play MMOs, and the 3000ms pingtime is very unappealing.    I'm hoping that amazon ends up with the DVDs again.  I'd rather 'pay' canocal directly for 'em to ship 'em to me though, supporting the cause and all
[09:49] <intelikey> Bderenor what brand did you say your lappy is ?
[09:49] <Arwen> SilentDis, hehe
[09:49] <raptor_hs> 10x
[09:49] <Arwen> even with a CD as reference, it still usually hits 100-200M :-\
[09:49] <Bderenor> intelikey: i didn't ;). my laptop is an lg
[09:49] <intelikey> k
[09:50] <Bderenor> intelikey: but the lg configuration does not exist for the ALC883 model
[09:50] <SilentDis> Arwen: I can do 200mb while i'm at work and again that night as I sleep.  that doesn't hurt too much ;)
[09:50] <ash211> fusspils: haven't noticed anything
[09:50] <jhutchins> It's kind of a silly distinction, as Feisty will (probably) be official next week, we're going to have to get up to speed with it.  They did have a major kernel break this week though, so it's not quite ready for play.
[09:50] <Arwen> SilentDis, other than not being able to us your phone or the interwebs while you're doing that?
[09:50] <chamikal> Hi there
[09:50] <Bderenor> intelikey: this is weird, lspci claims the soundcard to be a ALC8280 model, but in dmesg it says ALC883 when it does not find the model specified in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:50] <Bderenor> hi
[09:50] <Arwen> jhutchins, a kernel break? what was that about? I didn't notice...
[09:50] <SilentDis> Arwen: I use cell phone for most communication.  yes, browsing won't work, unless I throttle apt-get
[09:51] <chamikal> I was wandering if desktop-effects works on Kubuntu Feisty ?
[09:51] <Tm_T> chamikal: yes
[09:51] <Arwen> chamikal, yes.... they will? but you should use beryl anyway?
[09:51] <intelikey> Bderenor lshw | less
[09:51] <Tm_T> Arwen: isn't it the same? ;)
[09:51] <jhutchins> Arwen: #ubuntu+1 topic: "Large parts of feisty were broken, Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel. 2.6.20-15.25 fixes these."
[09:51] <chamikal> I didn't find the entry
[09:52] <sylvestre> Bonjour, francophones ?
[09:52] <chamikal> on the menu
[09:52] <Arwen> jhutchins, more details?
[09:52] <SkullCrusher> How do i get/install firefox?
[09:52] <SilentDis> !fr | sylvestre
[09:52] <ubotu> sylvestre: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:52] <Arwen> I read the fscking topic, btw
[09:52] <Tm_T> chamikal: dunno if they are installed by default
[09:52] <Arwen> SkullCrusher, apt-get install firefox ?
[09:52] <Tm_T> chamikal: #ubuntu+1 for feisty support until release
[09:52] <sylvestre> merci mais
[09:52] <chamikal> oops sorry
[09:52] <Bderenor> intelikey: product: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[09:52] <ses> or use adept manager to install firefox
[09:52] <jhutchins> Arwen: It's a bunch of things, sound card support, video support, other issues.  Mostly to do with clean-up of kludges and old hardware support.
[09:53] <intelikey> Bderenor then id say use that as accurate
[09:53] <Arwen> jhutchins, ah, I didn't notice :-)
[09:53] <Bderenor> intelikey: uhm, since i will be installing aumix from source, is there a quick way to build the dependencies?
[09:53] <SkullCrusher> Is the FireFox Browser safer/better then the Konqueror Browser?
[09:53] <jhutchins> Arwen: Yeah, well, works-for-me you know.  Lot of people broken, lot of people not broken.
[09:53] <Arwen> SkullCrusher, depends?
[09:53] <Bderenor> intelikey: problem is, that device does not exist in the list for alsa-models for the snd-hda-intel driver
[09:53] <intelikey> Bderenor you don't need to bother.   i think the driver is the issue.
[09:53] <Bderenor> intelikey: ok
[09:53] <Arwen> jhutchins, hmm, was there a list of hardware affected?
[09:53] <sylvestre> how can I stop the automatic launch of Kontact at the starting of Kubuntu ?
[09:54] <intelikey> Bderenor ndiswarper
[09:54] <SkullCrusher> Arwen: depends on what?
[09:54] <jhutchins> Arwen: Have you ever seen such a thing?  It was a collection of problems, not a specified break.
[09:54] <Bderenor> intelikey: that's an nice typo ;)
[09:54] <Arwen> intelikey, you can use ndiswrapper on sound drivers??
[09:54] <Arwen> jhutchins, ah
[09:54] <intelikey> Bderenor again let me again stress that   #ubuntu+1  is the development channel.
[09:54] <jhutchins> Nobody EVER admits to everything that was broken <grin>.
[09:54] <Bderenor> intelikey: think that'll work? isn't it totally unstable (so i've heard)
[09:55] <Bderenor> intelikey: ok, i'll go there
[09:55] <intelikey> Arwen that's what i just read on a forum
[09:55] <Bderenor> intelikey: goodbye, and thanks for all the fish ;)
[09:55] <sylvestre> who can help me ?
[09:55] <Tm_T> sylvestre: hmm, do you close it from menu -> file -> quit
[09:55] <intelikey> Bderenor in the ubuntu forums the talk about using ndiswrapper for a sound driver   so you might mention that.
[09:55] <jhutchins> sylvestre: How would we know without knowing what's wrong?
[09:56] <intelikey> Bderenor gooday mate and good luck to your penguin
[09:56] <Bderenor> intelikey: thanks, i'll do that
[09:56] <intelikey> and on that note.  it's time for me to scat.
[09:56] <jhutchins> sylvestre: Sorry, I see your question now.  Probably close kontact, log out, then try logging in again.
[09:56] <sylvestre> you mean, I have to quit proprerly before shut down in other case it'll start automatically at the next session ?
[09:57] <jhutchins> sylvestre: That's the best way I know of.
[09:57] <Tm_T> sylvestre: yes, if it is running in background, it get started
[09:57] <jhutchins> sylvestre: I think you can set kde to start with a blank session somewhere though.
[09:57] <Tm_T> jhutchins: bit too hard in this case imo
[09:57] <sylvestre> thanks. I'll try.
[09:57] <jhutchins> sylvestre: kde defaults to "restoring" your last session, which means starting everything that was running.
[09:58] <sylvestre> understand. Many thanks
[09:58] <Tm_T> sylvestre: closing it from titlebar X will only close the window, not whole app in this case I think
[09:58] <jhutchins> Tm_T: Again, that's configurable, but it's the default.
[09:58] <Tm_T> jhutchins: yes, and here we need to expect defaults ;(
[09:59] <ses> finally managed to install envy and now I cant boot into a GUI desktop but if I choose previous kernel entry in Grub it boots fine and nvidia driver is installed ? any ideas on fixing the default choice or should I just modify grub to start up the other one that works
[09:59] <Tm_T> what is envy?
[09:59] <jhutchins> ses: You mean like edit /boot/grub/menu.list and change the defaults?
[09:59] <ses> unofficial installer for video cards
[09:59] <Tm_T> ah, there it is, unofficial ;)
[10:00] <sylvestre> Another question : is it possible to save all the parameters of the desktop to install them on an other PC with Kubuntu installee?
[10:00] <ses> well all the official ways have the same results
[10:00] <Arwen> Tm_T, it's a cruddy script that tries to be automatix for binary drivers
[10:00] <Tm_T> Arwen: sounds evil
[10:01] <Tm_T> sylvestre: hmm, sorta, you can copy your settings over
[10:01] <ses> works fine on older kernel only way i've managed to install a video card driver properely
[10:01] <ash211> Arwen: I've had good luck with envy
[10:01] <sylvestre> Tmt : how can I do that ?
[10:01] <Tm_T> sylvestre: copy ~/.kde dir
[10:01] <Sephnroth> is there any sort of third party option to browse and interact with files on a linux formatted partition from windows?
[10:01] <Tm_T> sylvestre: but better not have anything personal set up yet
[10:02] <ash211> Sephnroth: http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[10:02] <sylvestre> but I want to save personnal set up !
[10:03] <SkullCrusher> Does anyone know how many MegaBytes xubuntu takes up on the HD after its installed?
[10:03] <Tm_T> sylvestre: then keep them there ;)
[10:04] <sylvestre> OK
[10:04] <ses> how do I access the directories from the command line so I can change my x config file
[10:04] <Tm_T> !commandline | ses
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commandline - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:04] <ash211> !cli | ses
[10:04] <ubotu> ses: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:04] <ses> command prompt
[10:04] <sylvestre> Thanks everybody. See you later.
[10:04] <Tm_T> Arwen: thanks sir
[10:04] <Tm_T> ash211: even =)
[10:05] <vince_> ALT-F2 > konsole
[10:05] <Arwen> Tm_T, huh? for what?
[10:05] <ses> cant access desktop boots into bash: prompt
[10:05] <Tm_T> Arwen: whatever
[10:05] <Arwen> lolz
[10:05] <Tm_T> ses: cd /to/your/dir
[10:05] <ses> cant cd to anywhere apart from desktop
[10:06] <Tm_T> er?
[10:06] <Tm_T> ses: cd /
[10:06] <Tm_T> and you are in root of your filesystem
[10:06] <ses> tried that i just get a > prompt
[10:06] <jhutchins> Is he dealing with the hidden filesystem?
[10:07] <Tm_T> no idea
[10:07] <jhutchins> ses: /, not \.
[10:07] <ses> tried both
[10:07] <Tm_T> =)
[10:07] <jhutchins> ses: \ is line continuation.  Hit enter to escape it.
[10:08] <jhutchins> ses: cd ~/ should take you to your home directory.
[10:08] <ses> ok boot gets me to prompt to a non GUI log in coz the driver is lost or something
[10:08] <jhutchins> ses: Isn't that great?  If this were windows, there'd be nothing you could do.
[10:08] <ses> and then i cant get any further than my desktop folder
[10:09] <ses> if this was windows i'd just press F8 and go in and fix the graphics driver :)
[10:09] <soulrider> ses:  you tried cd .. _
[10:09] <soulrider> ?
[10:09] <jhutchins> ses: so log in, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:09] <soulrider> that will go up a directory
[10:10] <ses> will try in a mo, when i find pen and paper
[10:11] <ses> boots no problem into other kernel entry in grub!!!!!
[10:12] <ses> bbl
[10:14] <vince_> REGISTER icepik69
[10:14] <vince_> SET
[10:14] <Raytray> Heh
[10:15] <Raytray> Try a /
[10:15] <vince_> IDENTIFY
[10:15] <Tm_T> !register | vince_
[10:15] <ubotu> vince_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:15] <angasule> please, oh, please, can someone tell me why some multimedia keys seem to be hardcoded? I can't change it from the shortcuts part of the settings
[10:15] <vince_> thanks
[10:15] <vince_> !register | vince_1979
[10:15] <ubotu> vince_1979: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:19] <Cosmo_> is there any way I can get linux to rcognize my microsoft internet keyboard pro extra buttons like my media player controls ect?
[10:21] <nixternal> !info khotkeys
[10:21] <ubotu> Package khotkeys does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:22] <ses> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, came back with that xserver wasnt installed and sudo ect/init.d/kdm start was a none starter
[10:22] <nixternal> !info feisty khotkeys
[10:22] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in edgy
[10:22] <nixternal> that isn't the package I thought it was
[10:22] <nixternal> !keytouch > Cosmo_
[10:23] <jhutchins> ses: Seems pretty self-explanitory to me.
[10:23] <nixternal> Cosmo_: there is a front end to that where you can select your keyboard
[10:24] <jhutchins> ses: Enable all repos, aptitude update, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, see what happens.
[10:24] <ses> indulge me <---- linux noob
[10:24] <jhutchins> ses: Ok, at the command line, logged in, do "sudo aptitude update" (without the quotes).
[10:25] <jhutchins> ses: When it's done, do "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" (again, without the quotes).
[10:25] <vinces1979> ses: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:25] <ses> I've tried manually starting the desktop but it says there is a driver missing
 ses: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tried no such packet
[10:26] <SkullCrusher> How do i find out what active internet connections i have in Kubuntu?
[10:26] <vinces1979> ses:you said org b4
[10:26] <Cosmo_> nixternal: how do I go about doing that?
[10:26] <ses> ahhhh didnt notice the x :)
[10:26] <nixternal> install it via Adept
[10:29] <soulrider> is there a way to play WMV files in firefox ?
[10:29] <ses> bbl
[10:30] <Tm_T> soulrider: with some player, like vlc perhaps
[10:30] <ericsson> Greetings ppl
[10:30] <vinces1979> soulrider: mplayer will if you have codecs
[10:30] <ericsson> Anyone got time to help a fresh kbuntu user get .mp3 running?
[10:30] <soulrider> awesome
[10:31] <ericsson> did install libxine but still no joy
[10:31] <vinces1979> ericson: you can use autoamtix
[10:31] <ash211> !mp3 | ericsson
[10:31] <ubotu> ericsson: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:32] <ericsson> have been through those :/
[10:32] <jhutchins> !automatics | vinces1979
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <ericsson> what is that autoamtix though?
[10:32] <jhutchins> !automatix | vinces1979
[10:32] <ubotu> vinces1979: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:32] <vinces1979> ericson: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Automatix2_on_Ubuntu.2C_Kubuntu.2C_and_Xubuntu
[10:32] <ash211> where is mp3 not working?
[10:33] <ubunturos> !compiz
[10:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:33] <soulrider> !info lirc
[10:33] <ubotu> lirc: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 308 kB, installed size 1544 kB
[10:33] <jhutchins> vinces1979: If it breaks his system, you have to help him reinstall.
[10:33] <ericsson> ash211: trying to run through Amarok (no luck getting xmms running) but it keeps telling me to install libxine-extracodecs even though they are installed
[10:33] <vinces1979> jhutchins: been really good for the last 6 months
[10:34] <N6REJ> can anyone help me get vmware-server working?
[10:34] <ash211> ericsson: try restarting amarok first
[10:34] <ericsson> not used to GUI at all :/
[10:34] <ubunturos> will feisty fawn come with Beryl pre-installed?
[10:34] <ash211> ubunturos: no
[10:35] <ubunturos> um
[10:35] <vinces1979> ubunturos: mabe gusty
[10:35] <ubunturos> vinces1979: ahan, interesting
[10:35] <jhutchins> ubunturos: What monitor do you have?
[10:35] <ubunturos> jhutchins: Samsung 56E
[10:35] <jhutchins> ubunturos: How big?
[10:35] <ubunturos> 15"
[10:36] <ash211> ubunturos: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html for gutsy announcement, including delay of beryl
[10:36] <vinces1979> N6REJ: for, look what I can do
[10:36] <ericsson> ash211: Now I feel like a complete '''', restaring Amarok was the key :)
[10:36] <ubunturos> ash211: thank
[10:36] <ubunturos> thankyou
[10:36] <jhutchins> ericsson: YAY!
[10:36] <Tm_T> ericsson: :)
[10:36] <ericsson> like a true simpson would say: DOH!
[10:36] <ash211> ericsson: at least it's working now!
[10:36] <N6REJ> vinces1979: I mean doesn't it gain you ANYTHING? or is it simply a skin?
[10:37] <ericsson> thnx guys...now I can explore kubuntu WITH music :)
[10:37] <ubunturos> N6REJ: people in India, (Mumbai) are crazy about Vista's aero and the other stuff. A Linux equvivalent should tell them, vista is not alone
[10:37] <jhutchins> N6REJ: It does give you some new ways to move around from window to window.
[10:37] <vinces1979> N6REJ: Window manager replacement, with some nice features, alot of animtaions(like vista)
[10:37] <ash211> i didn't want to have to deal with another bug report against amarok
[10:37] <vinces1979> animations
[10:38] <jhutchins> It's not just animations though, locating and interacting with multiple windows is enhanced.
[10:38] <jhutchins> It's eye candy to compete with vista, but as is typical with linux it's also useful.
[10:38] <vinces1979> alot F8 has nice window selector
[10:38] <jhutchins> ubunturos: Your graphics card is doing most of the work.
[10:39] <ubunturos> jhutchins: the graphics card is sharing memory from RAM, isn't it?
[10:40] <jhutchins> ubunturos: Many have their own ram.
[10:40] <ubunturos> jhutchins: and those that have, have enough?
[10:40] <ericsson> oops..
[10:41] <jhutchins> ubunturos: Video ram is typically much faster.  Obviously, some have enough and some don't, that's why some work and some don't.
[10:41] <jhutchins> ericsson: Did you do that?
[10:41] <ericsson> nope...not guilty
[10:41] <ubunturos> jhutchins: ok
[10:41] <ericsson> not often a net-split like that nowadays...
[10:42] <ericsson> not often one is seen I meant..
[10:42] <ubunturos> woho! is this a regular feature?
[10:43] <Hc\\> hmm
[10:43] <jhutchins> Ah, routing problem in the UK.
[10:43] <jhutchins> Freenode has several servers there, about 2,500 users affected.
[10:44] <ash211_> jhutchins: so that blackout there wasn't on my end
[10:44] <jhutchins> ash211_: Prob'ly not.
[10:48] <kilrae> beryl magically started working again, yay!
[10:48] <kilrae> i can be productive once more
[10:49] <christian> hi someone here?
[10:50] <christian> jemand da??
[10:50] <q_> niemand :)
[10:51] <christian> hi hast du ne ahnung von beryl?
[10:51] <jhutchins> kilrae: What type & size monitor do you have?
[10:51] <kilrae> CRT 19"
[10:51] <jhutchins> !de | christian
[10:51] <ubotu> christian: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:52] <kilrae> or is this a 21", i never measured
[10:52] <kilrae> jhutchins: CRT 19 or 21, don't have measuring tape, why?
[10:53] <jhutchins> kilrae: Close enough.  I'm gathering an unscientific survey that bets that's the minimum for beryl enthusiasm.
[10:53] <reuben> i upgraded to feisty, and two of my hard drives are missing
[10:53] <reuben> e.g.
[10:53] <reuben> sudo mount /mm1
[10:53] <reuben> mount: special device /dev/disk/by-uuid/e19a4234-d7e3-45a7-b369-b6c1724ba0c6 does not exist
[10:54] <reuben> the disks do exist in /dev/disk/by-path, just not in /dev/disk/by-uuid
[10:54] <reuben> any ideas?
[10:55] <ericsson> reuben: they been eaten by Vista
[10:55] <reuben> i don't have vista
[10:55] <ses> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg worked,  but clueless as to what to put in the boxes
[10:55] <ericsson> fortunatly..
[10:56] <ericsson> no BIOS changes since upgrade?
[10:56] <_4strO> reuben:paste sudo fdisk -l
[10:56] <reuben> nope. they show up fine in the bios. here's a weird part: they showed during install (in qtparted or whatever) and after the first reboot. but not subsequently
[10:56] <reuben> they're missing from fdisk -l also
[10:57] <_4strO> ???
[10:57] <ses> at least you can find a disk I can only find my home folder
[10:57] <_4strO> did you unplugged some HD ?
[10:57] <_4strO> llol
[10:58] <reuben> no, no hardware changed :D ... initially i just did a dist-upgrade, and that lost them, so i tried an install from cd...which found them, but only for one reboot like i said
[10:58] <ericsson> reuben: what filesystem is it one the disks?
[10:58] <reuben> ext3
[10:58] <ericsson> huh, me spell like cro-mango-ape
[10:59] <vinces1979> ses:leave blank for defaults should get you running
[11:00] <_4strO> reuben: sudo fdisk -l (with sudo ;)
[11:00] <_4strO> did you do that ?
[11:00] <BQ-AFK> Hi people
[11:00] <BQ-AFK> I'm trying to boot to LTS but all I get is a black screen when x starts
[11:00] <reuben> _4stro, i did, and they're not here...but i'll paste for ya
[11:00] <reuben> sudo fdisk -l
[11:01] <reuben> Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[11:01] <BQ-AFK> I've tried vide=etc but it didn't work
[11:01] <reuben> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4867 cylinders
[11:01] <reuben> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[11:01] <reuben>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda1               1<PHONE_NUMBER>   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda2             132        4867    38041920    5  Extended
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda5             132<PHONE_NUMBER>+  83  Linux
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda6             514        3062    20474811   83  Linux
[11:01] <reuben> /dev/sda7   *        3063        4867    14498631   83  Linux
[11:01] <jhutchins> !fixres | BQ-AFK
[11:01] <ubotu> BQ-AFK: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:01] <BQ-AFK> jhutchins: thanks
[11:01] <jhutchins> BQ-AFK: Good luck!
[11:02] <BQ-AFK> I'll keep trying
[11:02] <BQ-AFK> don't want to trash this little machine
 same sort of thing here
[11:02] <ericsson> huh, difficult to get used to GUI :)
[11:02] <BQ-AFK> Were you able to fix it?
[11:03] <jhutchins> reuben: What kind of drives are they supposed to be ?
[11:03] <BQ-AFK> Trouble getting it running
[11:03] <ses> thats why i'm here
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: So use CLI.
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: The Linux command line is a powerful tool.
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: lynx, irssi.
[11:03] <ericsson> how does one get rid of that little blue annoying half-translucent bl**dy box when dragging wind*s around?
[11:03] <ses> had it running then tried installing video card driver and then no gui
[11:03] <jhutchins> ericsson: Configure Desktop
[11:04] <BQ-AFK> ses: good luck
[11:04] <jhutchins> reuben: Hello?
[11:04] <ericsson> jhutchins: used c-l since odd 93 or something..
[11:04] <reuben> jhutchins: one is SATA... they're both large ~200GB...ext3
[11:04] <BQ-AFK> Going to dive into it again
[11:04] <ses> is working when i choose oth kernel version in grub with driver
[11:04] <jhutchins> reuben: If fdisk isn't seeing them, then the hardware drivers are probably missing.
[11:05] <jhutchins> ses: Your video drivers have to match the kernel.
[11:05] <jhutchins> ses: You either have to recompile or reinstall them every time the kernel is upgraded.
[11:05] <reuben> jhutchins: i don't think that's it. they showed up once right after install.... but let me look... what are the drivers called?
[11:05] <jhutchins> reuben: Don't know, don't know what you have.
[11:06] <ses> i havent upgraded as far as I know
[11:06] <jhutchins> ses: You said you had different kernel entries in grub.
[11:06] <ericsson> Oh thank god I got rid of that box-thingy...
[11:06] <ses> w98 was better
[11:07] <ericsson> thnx again jhutchins
[11:07] <jhutchins> ericsson: You might be very happy with xfce.  KDE is a bit, um, lush for a command line junkie.
[11:07] <ericsson> jhutchins: kinda getting that feeling ;)
[11:07] <ses> how do i acces the drive so i can change my x-config from this kernel
[11:08] <ericsson> but again, would be fun to see what all the hype is about..
[11:08] <ses> i have a backup somewhere, whats the linux equivant of my computer :)
[11:10] <jhutchins> ses: Well, log in on the console?  Or boot to the other kernel.
[11:10] <ses> i like this kernel, it works
[11:10] <ses> :)
[11:10] <jhutchins> ericsson: The biggest thing I use right now that's kde specific is the fish filesyste, which allows direct access of files via scp.
[11:10] <ses> can it be done from terminal
[11:11] <jhutchins> ses: I'm really not sure of the specifics, I just generally understand what's going on, but yes, ANYTHING can be done from the terminal.
[11:13] <ericsson> fish? Is that like some ssh version for kde or something?
[11:14] <jhutchins> ericsson: Once you log in you can browse the files just as if they were local.  I use it with Quanta when working on web sites.
[11:14] <ericsson> sounds pretty much like ssh/ssl to me...
[11:15] <ses> ok before i installed the driver i made a backup, after i installed the driver I could no longer get to a graphical desktop and I cant seem to get anywhere except my home folder. I have booted into 2.6-10-generic instead of 2.6.17-11-generic and everything works fine including the driver. I still dont know how to get to the ect folder so ican re-instate my back-up file
[11:15] <yotux> is 64 bit kubuntu mature enough for everday user ?
[11:15] <ses> I would re-install but that would make 6 times today
[11:16] <yotux> ses:  what is wrong?
[11:16] <ses> installing a graphics driver should be a lot easier
[11:16] <yotux> sorry just got in
[11:16] <ses> 64bit kubuntu i think
[11:17] <ses> :)
[11:17] <yotux> nvidia?
[11:17] <yotux> or ati drivers?
[11:17] <ses> installed driver and boots to command prompt although works fine if I choose older kernel in grub
[11:17] <ses> nvidia
[11:18] <ericsson> with kubunt and GUI it comes to show that 32mb video isn't that much anymore :)
[11:18] <yotux> So did you install the drivers before you installed the new kernel?
[11:18] <smarter> hi
[11:18] <ses> erm i didnt insatall a new kernel
[11:19] <changuitofeo> Quick question.  I'm trying to 'cd' into a dir on a mounted windows partition, the dir has a space in the name and i can't seem to get in.  Any ideas? Thanks.
[11:19] <smarter> I've recently upgraded to feisty and now the hotkeys of my laptop don't work
[11:19] <yotux> ses:  then why did you post that you have two different kernels?
[11:19] <ses> theres two in grub 2.6.17-11 and 2.6.17-10
[11:20] <jhutchins> ses: Which one works?
[11:20] <ses> 2.6.17-10
[11:20] <yotux> chag...:  "/usr dir"
[11:20] <changuitofeo> thanks yotux
[11:20] <_4strO> changuitofeo: put an \ in front of your space just\ like\ this\ ^^
[11:20] <yotux> np
[11:20] <jhutchins> go into /boot/grub/menu.list, change the default to -10, get on with lief.
[11:21] <jhutchins> ses go into /boot/grub/menu.list, change the default to -10, get on with life.
[11:21] <jhutchins> ses: It's not ubuntu's fault, the video card companies are not supplying OS drivers.
[11:21] <ses> makes sense to me if I could get to /boot/grub/menu.list
[11:21] <jhutchins> ses: Why wouldn't you be able to?
[11:21] <smarter> anyone to help me?
[11:21] <ses> agreed
[11:22] <yotux> smarter: I think it is a package that maybe missing not sure
[11:22] <vinces1979> ses:sudo nano /boot//grub/menu.lst
[11:23] <hak5fan> I'm trying to set up a local apt repo I'm using this guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Personal_Apt_Repository but I don't want to run my own webserver to do it therefore I share my apt folder by using some mini app I found in kde (right click on folder - sharing - share with the web). The problem is I can't set it to listen at port 80. Any Ideas on how to do this?
[11:23] <smarter> yotux: I'm using a fresh install of kubuntu, and hotkey-setup is present
[11:23] <jhutchins> hak5fan: Follow the directions.
[11:24] <smarter> hak5fan: just use file://where/is/my/repo instead of http:// and don't share the folder with the web
[11:24] <hak5fan> smarter: that's smarter lol
[11:24] <yotux> smarter:  i have not played with this yet.  I have found a forum post link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27039
[11:24] <smarter> hak5fan: thx ^^
[11:25] <smarter> yotux: but theses keys worked out of the box with edgy
[11:25] <jhutchins> smarter: This is the edgy support channel.  Feisty is in #ubuntu+1
[11:25] <smarter> okay
[11:25] <yotux> smarter:  when there is code change something get broken
[11:26] <jhutchins> That's one of the reasons Feisty isn't official yet.
[11:26] <yotux> gotta love those betas
[11:26] <yotux> its been fun later everyone
[11:26] <jhutchins> Thanks yotux!
[11:27] <yotux> np later
[11:28] <dirgedoll> quick question 3 year old shut off my computer and now everything is ginormous, how do i get things to look like im not visually impaired?
[11:28] <hak5fan> smarter: And the file path should point to where the Packages.gz is located am I right?
[11:29] <ses> how do i explore my hard drive
[11:29] <adaptr> dirgedoll: press ctrl-alt-+ to cycle through resolutions
[11:29] <ericsson> ses: cd & ls works
[11:30] <ses> not for me
[11:30] <hak5fan> ses: or use a file manager like konqueror
[11:30] <dirgedoll> that didnt do anything
[11:30] <ses> i can only see home folder
[11:30] <smarter> hak5fan: I haven't played with this since a long time but I don't think so
[11:31] <ericsson> kaffeine 0.8.3, can't increase brightness when playing standard dvd's...ideas?
[11:31] <adaptr> dirgedoll: then you'll have to edit xorg.conf
[11:31] <hak5fan> smarter: ok only two possibilities so I know where to point it I think
[11:31] <_4strO> ses: your on a liveCD ?
[11:31] <ses> no
[11:31] <ericsson> even though I increase contrast/brightness to 100% still no change
[11:31] <dirgedoll> how would i do that
[11:31] <_4strO> ls /
[11:31] <smarter> hak5fan: it should point to the repository where you have binary and source sub-repository
[11:31] <adaptr> dirgedoll: with a text editor, most likely
[11:32] <hak5fan> smarter: ok thanx
[11:32] <dirgedoll> let me log off and log back on to see if that works
[11:33] <ses> ls / shows me the content thnks how do i change the directory cd cd/ cd.. not working
[11:33] <hak5fan> ses: click view show hidden files to view all files...
[11:33] <ericsson> I've run kaffeine -w and there are win32 codecs missing (as if I care) but do I really need them in order to simply to increase brightness?
[11:33] <pgraves> Guys, I am having some trouble setting up Samba user accounts for sharing files, can someone assist me?
[11:33] <pgraves> ses cd name_of_dir
[11:33] <pgraves> i.e. If you are in /home/user and you want to be in /home/user/stuff you do cd stuff
[11:33] <ses> cd not working says it doesn't exist
[11:33] <pgraves> make sure you have a space after cd
[11:33] <ses> ie cd bin
[11:34] <pgraves> are you sure bin exists?
[11:34] <pgraves> Can anyone assist me with configuring Samba Username/Passwords ?
[11:35] <ses> yeh ls / says so, doesnt work for boot either
[11:35] <dirgedoll> yay it worked bbl
[11:36] <pgraves> ses your cwd is probably not /
[11:37] <ses> whats a cwd
[11:37] <pgraves> When you're at the # prompt, youre in a directory (normally your home directory). You are probably not in / at the time
[11:37] <ses> ok
[11:37] <pgraves> but when you do ls / its giving you a list of the contents of "/", even though thats not where you are
[11:37] <pgraves> do ls (just ls, nothing else)
[11:38] <pgraves> is it a different set of results?
[11:38] <ses> k
[11:38] <ses> yep
[11:38] <pgraves> ok, theres the problem,
[11:38] <ses> need to get back to /
[11:38] <ses> how
[11:38] <pgraves> to see what dir you're currently in type "pwd"
[11:38] <pgraves> what dir does it say youre in?
[11:39] <ses> home/ses
[11:39] <pgraves> ok, you're in /home/ses but you want to go to /bin .... you have TWO ways to do this
[11:39] <pgraves> I will show you both
[11:39] <ses> thnks
[11:39] <pgraves> first, you could go to /, and then go to bin
[11:39] <pgraves> type "cd /" (without the quotes)
[11:40] <soulrider> heh, watch this! http://www.novell.com/linux/meetlinux/
[11:40] <pgraves> now type "cd bin" (without the quotes)
[11:40] <pgraves> you should now be in /bin (you can confirm this by typing pwd again)
[11:40] <pgraves> did it work for you?
[11:41] <ses> you must be magic coz it worked this time :S very confusing
[11:41] <pgraves> Are you used to using Windows?
[11:42] <ses> yes but I started with DOS
[11:43] <ses> have used linux before but it seems to have got a lot harder to use
[11:43] <pgraves> so you're familiar with cd and dir in DOS?
[11:43] <_4strO> ses: rtfm :p
[11:44] <_4strO> !rtfm | ses
[11:44] <ubotu> ses: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[11:44] <ses> yeh been trying them with no success
[11:44] <_4strO> ^^
[11:44] <pgraves> Ses, well imagine windows.... Where is the "My Pictures" folder kept?
[11:44] <_4strO> its normal that his pwd is his home dir
[11:44] <ses> erm i used noob earlier but was refering to myself
[11:45] <ses> my docs
[11:45] <_4strO> ses: cd / for going to the root
[11:45] <ses> think this install is messed up was trying that earlier and it wasnt working for some reason
[11:46] <_4strO> ses: use the TAB key for completing names ex : /e + tab will be /etc
[11:46] <pgraves> Correct Ses, My pictures is inside My Documents, its a sub-directory..... well when you do "ls" it shows the directory YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN, (whish is normally listed to the left of the #... if you do ls / it lists the contents of "/" if I did ls /boot it would list the contents of /boot
[11:47] <pgraves> what you WERE doing is doing ls / (even though you were in /home/ses) and then trying to change to a subdirectory of /, what you have to do is change to /, and then try going to that directory
[11:47] <ses> ahhh ok
[11:47] <pgraves> It would be like in windows me trying to go straight to My pictures without going to My Documents first
[11:48] <pgraves> Following me now?
[11:48] <ericsson> what is the difference between flashplugin-nonefree and flashplugin?
[11:48] <ses> yes
[11:49] <pgraves> so you understand that you were in /home/ses and you wanted to go to bin, so you typed cd /, then typed cd bin and you were there correct?
[11:49] <ses> was having trouble going down the tree
[11:49] <puppetmaster> hi everyone
[11:49] <jhutchins> pgraves: ls . , ls .. . ls ~/ , ls /full/path/to/whatever/you/want/to/look\ at.
[11:49] <_4strO> ericsson: the developpers i think :p
[11:49] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:49] <pgraves> Im not needing help jhutch, im trying to explain things
[11:50] <_4strO> ericsson: and so the license on ity
[11:50] <kilrae> as flash only barely works in linux, not much difference
[11:50] <_4strO> ericsson: and so the license on it
[11:50] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:50] <ses> "/ is c:\"
[11:50] <pgraves> essentially, yeah
[11:50] <puppetmaster> please someone answer me
[11:50] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:50] <pgraves> well, the way I showed you to do that was the LONG way, there is a quicker way
[11:50] <ericsson> I know it's usually anti-open..but in my case none of the two seems to work...
[11:50] <puppetmaster> how to install .tar.bz2 packages????
[11:50] <_4strO> !tar | puppetmaster
[11:50] <ubotu> puppetmaster: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[11:50] <jhutchins> ericsson: Open-source developers frequently try to develop fully open-licensed versions of propietary things like flash that are only supplied as binaries under non-free licenses.
[11:50] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: YOu shouldn't.
[11:51] <puppetmaster> shouldn't what
[11:51] <puppetmaster> ?
[11:51] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: If you must,
[11:51] <puppetmaster> Why?
[11:51] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: Install .tar.gz packages.  It breaks the package dependency system.
[11:51] <pgraves> ses, type cd /home/ses
[11:51] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: They are not set up for ubuntu.
[11:51] <kilrae> puppetmaster, if the program is available through adept, install it that way
[11:52] <ses> is it usual to have to kernel versions in grub
[11:52] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: What package?
[11:52] <ericsson> Since I can't get nonfree, or "free" flash working, should I then try Medibuntu or what?
[11:52] <puppetmaster> real player 10.7 gold
[11:52] <puppetmaster> I have a problems with real files
[11:52] <jhutchins> ses: What you have is the original kernel from the CD and the one that was installed during the update in install.
[11:52] <pgraves> yes
[11:52] <kilrae> ericsson: your only real chance with flash is probably in firefox
[11:52] <puppetmaster> the sound is breaking up?
[11:52] <ericsson> it won't work in Konqueror?
[11:52] <pgraves> SES: did you type cd /home/ses
[11:52] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: Real is available.
[11:53] <jhutchins> !find real
[11:53] <ses> thnks, i think i broke the new one :)
[11:53] <ubotu> Found: realpath, chiark-really, ethereal, ethereal-common, ethereal-dev (and 8 others)
[11:53] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:53] <jhutchins> !find realplayer
[11:53] <puppetmaster> I know but the rmvb files doesn't work fine
[11:53] <ubotu> Package/file realplayer does not exist in edgy
[11:53] <puppetmaster> I have already one
[11:53] <smarter> realplayer is in the canonical commercial repository
[11:53] <ericsson> :)
[11:53] <kilrae> ericsson: if i recall, konqi and flash are a little buggy
[11:53] <jhutchins> !mp3 | puppetmaster
[11:53] <ffm> help, konsole is weird
[11:53] <ubotu> puppetmaster: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:53] <ffm> http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3025/screenshotkq6.png
[11:53] <smarter> but really, there are tons of better multimedia player
[11:53] <puppetmaster> but all real player files doesna't work fine
[11:53] <jhutchins> puppetmaster: There are directions on the REstrictedFormats page.
[11:53] <ses> yes thnks pgraves gonna get my unix book out
[11:53] <ericsson> kilrae: I'll give FF a try then
[11:54] <felzix> ffm: did you cat a binary?
[11:54] <smarter> ffm: type reset in the console
[11:54] <ffm> felzix: no? whats tat?
[11:54] <jhutchins> ffm: Try the command "reset".
[11:54] <jhutchins> ffm: (No quotes)
[11:54] <ffm> smarter, jhutchins, no dice.
[11:54] <puppetmaster> what is the complete commans
[11:54] <felzix> ffm: if you type "cat <binary file>" into the console, weird stuff tends to happen to it
[11:54] <puppetmaster> command
[11:55] <ffm> No fix.
[11:55] <kilrae> ericsson: i believe there are a few extra steps to get it working in konqi, you have to add directories to the plugins search list and stuff
[11:55] <ffm> still broke.
[11:55] <pgraves> well SES, if you type ls, you'll notice that you just switched back to your home directory... notice that you didn't have to type cd /home and then type cd ses, you just went straight to it by typing cd /home/ses
[11:55] <ffm> http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3025/screenshotkq6.png
[11:55] <felzix> ffm: try changing the language
[11:55] <jhutchins> Whoa, ffm's set his codepage to kanji or chinese or somethin.
[11:55] <pgraves> you could get back to the "bin" directory the same way
[11:55] <pgraves> you could just type cd /bin
[11:55] <ffm> jhutchins: No, it jsut dosnt update.
[11:55] <ericsson> kilrae: doesn't matter if it's konq or FF for me, I'm used to elinks ;)
[11:55] <ses> I'm fine going that way I was just having trouble going back the other way :D
[11:56] <felzix> ffm: open a new one and see if it's messed up, too
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <ffm> felzix: How.
[11:56] <ffm> new window?
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <ffm> new console?
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <_4strO> pgraves: cd ~/ to your home dir ;)
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson? :)
[11:56] <felzix> ffm: new window
[11:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[11:56] <hak5fan>  /quit going to bed
[11:56] <ericsson> btw, isn't there a keybd shortcut to throw windows to another desktop?
[11:57] <kilrae> ericsson: i'd suggest googling "kde firefox integration" though, at least to disable the gnome file chooser (which must be the ugliest thing ever developed)
[11:57] <_4strO> ericsson: just param it :p
[11:57] <ericsson> huhu..
[11:57] <ffm> same issue.
[11:57] <ffm> http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9514/screenshot1ot0.png
[11:58] <felzix> ffm: to change the language, go to settings and encoding.
[11:58] <ses> bbl l8er thanks for all the help guys :D
[11:58] <ffm> felzix: See http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9514/screenshot1ot0.png
[11:58] <jhutchins> ses: Download and read this: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[11:58] <pgraves> Can someone please help me setup Samba usernames/passwords?