[00:01] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: see my above statement. chill ffs, and recognize that I did that for a very valid reason...
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[00:28] <santa_> tsimonq2: ok. I think apps are goig to be finished tomorrow
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[00:29] <tsimonq2> santa_: please let me know ASAP when it is
[00:30] <santa_> sure
[00:30] <tsimonq2> sleep well santa_ ;)
[00:30] <tsimonq2> santa_: not to keep you up, but when it is done, please double-check the package list
[00:31] <santa_> ack
[00:31] <tsimonq2> thanks again santa_ :)
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[01:09] <tsimonq2> sgclark: what did you promise to the release team to make them approve bug 1547571? :P
[01:10] <sgclark> tsimonq2: not sure since I have been moving all day
[01:11] <tsimonq2> sgclark: we need to get a few things in, but those packages exceed 200, so it would be a royal pita if we had to convince them for every single one, and what if a couple or half don't get approved?
[01:11] <sgclark> oh that was last release
[01:11] <tsimonq2> sgclark: yes, how did you do it?!?!?
[01:11] <tsimonq2> I'm a little concerned we aren't going to be able to get this stuff in
[01:11] <sgclark> very hard work
[01:12] <sgclark> I though I saw yofel back around?
[01:12] <tsimonq2> sgclark: I guess a better question is, what do we have to do ro get that in?
[01:12] <tsimonq2> yep, but he's sleeping
[01:12] <sgclark> tsimonq2: afraid it was years of gaining trust.
[01:12] <tsimonq2> I thought I should throw you a ping just in case you were online
[01:12] <tsimonq2> fun
[01:12] <sgclark> well I have been moving all day
[01:13] <sgclark> and it is Sunday night....
[01:13] <tsimonq2> sgclark: how's that going? :)
[01:13] <sgclark> fine, still have more trips, 1.5 hour drive each way
[01:14] <tsimonq2> sgclark: it's just, we have until Thursday for Final Beta freeze
[01:14] <tsimonq2> sgclark: honestly, is it worth the work?
[01:14] <sgclark> all the packages must be verified and whomever uploads must make sure it all gets in smoothly
[01:14] <tsimonq2> sgclark: and since you said you've established trust with them, would you be able to ask? :)
[01:15] <tsimonq2> I see
[01:15] <sgclark> I cannot verify
[01:15] <sgclark> not right now.
[01:15] <sgclark> hundreds of packages by thurs is a bit much
[01:15] <tsimonq2>  /o\
[01:15] <tsimonq2> now what?
[01:15] <sgclark> I have a job heh.
[01:16] <tsimonq2> what do we do?
[01:16] <tsimonq2> awesome! :D
[01:16] <sgclark> I don't know the answer.
[01:16] <tsimonq2> fun
[01:17] <tsimonq2> sgclark: what if that package count was decreased to 70?
[01:17] <tsimonq2> could you do it?
[01:17] <tsimonq2> currently the FFe has apps and frameworks
[01:17] <tsimonq2> frameworks doesn't seem to dep on apps
[01:18] <tsimonq2> apps is a LOT to do
[01:18] <tsimonq2> so I'm saying if you know 100% it can be done, can we at least get Frameworks?
[01:18] <sgclark> I can't promise such things
[01:19] <tsimonq2> I don't know either
[01:19] <sgclark> I don't know where it is at. How could I possibly promise that?
[01:19] <tsimonq2> I see your point
[01:20] <sgclark> any links to the packages? or even the report?
[01:20] <tsimonq2> here's the FFe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23200810/
[01:21] <tsimonq2> this is our WIP but I linked the above to slangasek: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ffe-applications-16.04.3
[01:21] <sgclark> thanks, but not useful
[01:21] <tsimonq2> that describes what the changes are, doesn't it?
[01:21] <tsimonq2> sgclark: it's in the staging PPAs
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[01:21] <tsimonq2> frameworks and apps
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[01:22] <tsimonq2> sgclark: what else do you need to know?
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[01:26] <sgclark> tsimonq2: had the link sI needed. Looks ok ( only looking at frameworks though.
[01:26] <tsimonq2> ok
[01:26] <sgclark> has anyone tried to sort out what is going on with all the manpages?
[01:26] <tsimonq2> huh?
[01:26]  * tsimonq2 doesn't know about that
[01:26] <sgclark> many of the oranges
[01:26] <sgclark> are manpage errors
[01:28] <tsimonq2> then no, I don't know what the problem is
[01:28]  * tsimonq2 looks
[01:30] <tsimonq2> warning: macro `AQ' not defined
[01:30] <tsimonq2> sgclark: what's that? ^
[01:30] <tsimonq2> there's also warning [p 1, 1.7i]: can't break line
[01:33] <tsimonq2> sgclark: it's upstream
[01:34] <tsimonq2> is that a good excuse? :P
[01:36] <tsimonq2> sgclark: that second one is also an upstream issue
[01:37] <tsimonq2> sgclark: thoughts?
[01:37] <tsimonq2> do we *need* to fix it in our packaging?
[01:40] <tsimonq2> sgclark: do you have an opinion about apps? or do you think it's simply too much?
[01:45] <tsimonq2> well off to bed o/
[02:02] <sgclark> tsimonq2: sorry was dinner time. no it is likely upstream issue. I will look at frameworks and we can go from there. apps will likely be too much.
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 Thanks sgclark
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[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning
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[08:31] <acheronuk> santa_: for packages failing on symbols, seems a revert of clive's last symbol refresh would fix most of them. tested 3 or 4 in pbuilder
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 ... I have removed whole /etc directory:<
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 @marcinsagol, EeK!
 @acheronuk, You see my conversation with Scarlett?
 @tsimonq2, yep
 👍
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[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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[13:05] <marco-parillo> I am on YY with the three -staging PPAs. I already had KDE Apps (certainly Dolphin) 16.04.3, but it looks as if I am getting them again. Did the get re-built?
[13:10] <marco-parillo> s/the/they/
[13:10] <marco-parillo> hmm, good thing I was not doing that globally.
 @marco-parillo, Yes, they did get rebuilt, for a dependancy bump
[13:14] <marco-parillo> TY. And today on a VM, I can try to reproduce the "ugly" Libre Office I mentioned this weekend.
[13:29] <marco-parillo> My Libre Office Icon Row looks great here on YY with the three -staging PPAs, just updated. I wonder if the version bump helped (that would seem strange), or if this is a VM and my problems this weekend were on a real install, or if the real install had just accumulated some cruft over the last five months or so.
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[13:50] <acheronuk> santa_: think I've now been through a test rebuild of nearly all those symbol issue packages, and in all case a revert seem to sort things on that score at least. Still MISSING, but only optionals after a revert
 back in hour or 2
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[15:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[15:31] <acheronuk> santa_: seems ubuntu have aleady synced kdepim-addons and libkf5grantleetheme from debian, but guess you know that
[15:34] <acheronuk> also ppa is put of space, so I've deleted useless superseded stuff like Qt backport for YY and frameworks 5.24 which gets pulled from archive now anyway
[16:12] <jimarvan> heeello :)
[16:13] <acheronuk> hi
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[16:24] <jimarvan> see ya all in the evening! :D
[17:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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 yofel, sgclark: could one of you please upload Plasma 5.7.5 to the Yakkety archive?
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[17:58] <sgclark> I have not verified any of that. I am working. So not me sorry.
 OK sgclark
 Whoever has a minute :)
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[18:46] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: Phil mentioned Mirv in the meeting as a possible help. Jut trying to recall exactly how he put it
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[19:06] <santa_> hello everyone
[19:06] <santa_> so lets finish this
[19:07] <santa_> acheronuk: indeed the failing symbols are because of a bogus updating after building with a kdelibs without that visibility patch I sent, do you remember
[19:08] <santa_> thank you for taking care of the space issue
[19:12] <acheronuk> aaaah. that makes perfect sense.
[19:13] <santa_> re-fixing audiocd-kio
[19:13] <acheronuk> the ppa job that deletes binaries to free up space only runs every 6 hours, and take hours to do, and started at 18:00 UDT, so there may not be space in the ppa yet
[19:13] <acheronuk> Repository size:
[19:13] <acheronuk>     27.8 GiB (100.00%) of 25.0 GiB
[19:14] <acheronuk> upload will still get rejected at the moment then :(
[19:15] <santa_> hmm, ok
[19:20] <valorie> hi everyone, back from the cabin
[19:20] <valorie> looks like lots of work got done over the weekend
[19:20] <acheronuk> hi :D
[19:21] <acheronuk> still much to do :/
[19:21] <acheronuk> but getting there :)
[19:22]  * acheronuk kicks launchpad with hobnail boots
[19:24] <BluesKaj_> yeah, my xenial login and desktop are kaput after the staging frameworks ppa was upgraded ...in error loop now
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[19:26] <BluesKaj_>  /lib/init.-d-script : /etc/rc2.d/S03whoopsie error
[19:26] <acheronuk> santa_: what are the debian merges you had in mind?
[19:26] <santa_> the ones which someone else merge in the archive
[19:27] <santa_> so my idea is merging master, increasing the changelog version and re-upload
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[19:29] <acheronuk> "the ones which someone else merge in the archive"
[19:29] <acheronuk> can you be a bit clearer about that ^^
[19:32] <santa_> * merged
[19:32] <santa_> exactly that
[19:33] <acheronuk> BluesKaj_: only got a xenial VM at the moment, and that was fine. not sure what your problem is.
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[19:34] <acheronuk> santa_: so someone less merged debian master, but it didn't go properly?
[19:34] <acheronuk> ohhhhhhh!
[19:34] <santa_> someone synced the package with the debian archive
[19:34] <acheronuk> the ones they synced to our archive from debian?
[19:35] <acheronuk> it was the word 'merge' that got me
[19:35] <acheronuk> was thinking of merging debian master git packaging, not a sync copy in the archive
[19:35] <acheronuk> now I get you
[19:35] <santa_> s/the package/some packages
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[19:36] <acheronuk> never mind. I get it now, and had noted those packages anyway and was going to ask what to do.
[19:37] <santa_> merge master + bump changelog version would be the easiest way to go
[19:37] <acheronuk> 0ubuntu2 you mean?
[19:38] <acheronuk> oh the debian revision. gotcha
[19:38] <acheronuk> yes, that seem more than sensible
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[19:45] <acheronuk> santa_: so are you doing that?
[19:46] <santa_> I'm going to fix the symbols ftbfs'es first
[19:48] <acheronuk> Ok. as s aid, I've been through and tested builds with at least the reverts, so can see the effect of that. If you are happy to do whatever else you think needs then fine my side
[19:49] <santa_> brb I need to reboot
 did any of my messages come through?
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, Which? Where?
 Here
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, In that case, I don't think so....
 My bouncer is logging on and off like a yoyo
 KDE BNC had a fit the other day, but has been fine for a few here since
 So then ping someone in #launchpad then acheronuk
 If it's urgent, treat it as such
[20:05] <valorie> @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[20:06] <valorie> how's it going?
 Hello @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie :D
[20:08] <valorie> @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie -- you did say a few things in the -council chan, so you have been online some
[20:09] <clivejo> am I here?
 @clivejo, you are
[20:10] <clivejo> my network is broken
[20:11]  * clivejo needs to look into that open mesh network they spoke about at QtCon
[20:13] <valorie> Seattle has a small beginning of a mesh network
[20:17] <genii> They've tried it here in toronto a few times
[20:17] <valorie> there has to be a core of evangelistic folks IMO
[20:17] <valorie> Seattle people are too busy/too easy-going
[20:21] <clivejo> Im sick of this carry on
[20:22] <clivejo> my wireless bridge has dropped in Quality and Capacity
[20:23] <valorie> :(
[20:23] <clivejo> and Im not allowed the cut the fecking hedges until the 1st September due to the EU and their stupid rules and red tape
[20:24] <clivejo> which is when it is raining and I cant get near them anyway
[20:24] <clivejo> bog the tractor to the throat in the mud
[20:25]  * clivejo is going out with the chain on a rampage
[20:25] <clivejo> chainsaw
[20:25] <valorie> yikes, be safe my dear Clive
[20:25] <clivejo> not now, its dark!
[20:27] <clivejo> I'm sipping on some Romanian de-stresser
 (Voice, 8s)https://irc-attachments.kde.org/VnxjUF0q/file_532.oga
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/x64Kv7uz/file_534.jpg
[20:28] <clivejo> good stuff
 GOOD STUFF
[20:29] <valorie> we had The Glendidditch up at the cabin
[20:29] <valorie> so delicious
[20:29] <clivejo> natural mineral water
[20:29] <clivejo> yummm yummm
 now I'm thirsty
[20:31] <clivejo> LOL
[20:31] <clivejo> this stuff makes ya thristy
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7fbq97jQ/file_536.jpg
 Grabbed that right when I came in the door
 Long day
[20:31] <clivejo> hows the leg?
 Great. I participated in Phy Ed today.
 Not as much as before the surgery, but I'm getting there
[20:32] <clivejo> what does that involve?
 Light jogging. Some basketball.
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[20:34] <clivejo> are you still pulling to the side?
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[20:35] <valorie> clivejo: how is your brother?
[20:36] <clivejo> according to our family GP he should not be out of hospital
 Nope I'm good Clive
[20:36] <clivejo> never mind the road trip across England, on the ferry and across Ireland
[20:37] <valorie> but it sounds like he ignored advice and come home anyway?
[20:37] <clivejo> nope, he was discharged from the hospital
[20:38] <valorie> got it, disagreeing/disagreeable doctors
[20:38] <clivejo> I even asked the doctor there cause I though he had signed himself out
[20:39] <clivejo> I know he didnt like being on the trauma ward
[20:39] <clivejo> some very seriously ill people there
[20:39] <clivejo> and one with questionable sanity
[20:40] <clivejo> my bro called him Chucky, cause when the sedation wore off he went crazy
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[20:42] <valorie> sounds grim, clivejo
[20:43] <valorie> glad to see you back
[20:44] <acheronuk> very glad. even on a wonky connection.
[20:45]  * clivejo cries
[20:45] <clivejo> Internal Server Error
[20:45] <clivejo> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[20:47] <clivejo> sorry Rik, I cant get on the wiki to add a comment of what I think about you
[20:47] <clivejo> and I had an essay prepared
 Welcome back clivejo 😃
[20:47] <clivejo> hi ovi
[20:47] <clivejo> hows you?
 exhausted
[20:48] <clivejo> join the club
 I was just off to a shower and then bed
[20:48] <clivejo> what you been up to?
 cleaning the house....
 for the first time in ~4 months
 General cleaning
 everething must be put in it's place or thrown out
 that kind of cleaning
[20:48] <clivejo> eakk
 Si still have 3 huge boxes to sort crap
[20:49] <clivejo> whats the status of the installer porting to KF5?
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/u6g6nvhJ/file_538.jpg
 mm the installer is not moving to KF5
 that's just one of them
 ok, I'm off to bed. I'm glad to see you're back clivejo
[20:50] <clivejo> I could do with a clean out
[20:50] <clivejo> thanks ovi, glad to be home!
 wb in any degree clivejo
[20:52] <clivejo> need to install valorie's SSD and get it setup
[20:52] <valorie> \o/
[20:52] <clivejo> anyone know how to put the installer on a USB stick?
 dd
[20:53] <clivejo> I picked up a Ubuntu branded USB drive with 16.04 on it
 sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/of/drive
 I'd avoid those
 not a high success rate from what I've heard
[20:53] <clivejo> think Daniel was giving them away
[20:54] <clivejo> oh?
 from the batch I got anyway
 they might be new different ones
[20:54] <clivejo> little orange thingies?
 well it's Ubuntu so of course it's orange lol
[20:54] <valorie> i need to check out my thumb drives
 does the USB rotate out?
[20:55] <clivejo> no
[20:55] <valorie> young friend wants Kub. on a second-hand lappy
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/K7b5qRjW/file_540.jpg
[20:56] <clivejo> its a tidy wee thing
 that's a different one then mine
[20:57] <clivejo> we should look about getting some Kubuntu ones :)
 super costly
[20:57] <clivejo> in Blue!
 unless you buy A LOT
[20:58] <clivejo> it has a file on it called Ubuntu 16.04.1.qcow2
[20:58] <clivejo> whats a qcow?
 not sure
[20:59] <acheronuk> image?
[21:01] <genii> Isn't that a qemu virtual disk?
[21:01] <acheronuk> genii: seems so
[21:03] <clivejo> how do I swap that for kubuntu image?
[21:03] <valorie> over-write it?
[21:03] <acheronuk> not a scooby
[21:05] <clivejo> Id like it to run how it works now
[21:05] <clivejo> seems to run totally from the USB somehow
[21:05] <clivejo> saves changes back to that imkage file
[21:06] <clivejo> I guess I could update it to yakkety and install kubuntu
[21:06] <valorie> interesting
[21:06] <valorie> if it's big enough, why not?
 Just curious how it works
 Must be a boot strap on another partition
 Hey @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, PM me the testimonial and I'll slap it on for ya
 Rik is great
 OK I'll get that on the wiki page 👍👍
[21:08] <acheronuk> santa_: maybe upload those to a ppa of yours for now? one with the staging apps one as a ppa dependency? then copy over when we have space?
[21:09] <acheronuk> lol
 There is no hurry on that wiki page
[21:12] <santa_> acheronuk: right now I'm building them in my server to check that they actually build fine, my idea was just uploading from git when we have space
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[21:12] <santa_> I'm pushing the changes when I get a good build + I'm keeping a list of the involved packages
[21:13] <acheronuk> santa_: whatever works for you :)
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[21:17] <clivejo> can someone point me at the meeting notes
[21:17] <clivejo> cant seem to find them
[21:17] <acheronuk> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninja-meeting-september-17-2016
[21:18] <acheronuk> not very verbose
[21:18] <clivejo> grrr whats my username and password
[21:18] <clivejo> my brain has turned to custard
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[21:20]  * tsimonq2 eats clivejo's brain
[21:20] <tsimonq2> omnomnomnom
[21:20] <tsimonq2> custard tastes good, what flavor is this? :P
[21:21] <acheronuk> Oddly, my first though was -> http://www.roobarbandcustard.tv/images/stagecastcust.png
[21:22] <acheronuk> *thought
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[21:23] <clivejo> I drove all night to get to you
[21:25]  * clivejo sings
[21:27] <clivejo> bobbing up and down on the Irish sea, just to get to you
[21:28] <clivejo> just to fold those covers back and slide inside....
[21:29] <acheronuk> I like ferry trips
[21:29] <valorie> clivejo: so what's the craic?
[21:29] <acheronuk> sometimes more than the destination
[21:29]  * clivejo is tipsy
[21:30] <clivejo> and singing about my bed
[21:31] <valorie> sounds comfy
[21:31] <clivejo> it was!
[21:31] <clivejo> after sleeping on the floor for what felt like eternity
[21:34] <valorie> oh good lord
[21:34] <valorie> I did that while my mother was in a coma
[21:34] <clivejo> why am I downloading qtbase5-dbg
[21:35] <valorie> so ugh
[21:35]  * clivejo scratches head
[21:35] <clivejo> thats 161Mb of bandwidth I could use for something else
 O/
[21:36]  * clivejo wonders if he strapped USB drives to carrier pigeons flying back and forth to Rik, it would probably be faster than my current internet
[21:37] <clivejo> hi soee
[21:37] <clivejo> what a big head you got
 Crazy day :/
[21:38] <clivejo> here here
 @marcinsagol, You sort out your '/etc/'
 Yes by reinstalling system ...
[21:38] <clivejo> want some Romanian mineral water?
 It was a nice day ... I asked plasma devs to fix my most irritating bug and they did it.  I wanted just elasticsearch folder to be removed but I executed command one level up...
[21:41] <valorie> does anybody know how much of frameworks was uploaded already by sgclark?
[21:41] <clivejo> I need to put Max to bed
[21:42] <tsimonq2> valorie: none, all just 5.24 in the archive right now
[21:42] <valorie> :(
[21:42] <tsimonq2> we *need* a developer to upload plasma 5.7.5
[21:42] <tsimonq2> that's our #1 priority atm
[21:42] <tsimonq2> it seems to be all good to go to ship, just needs a developer to do it
[21:42] <valorie> yofel: are you planning to do that?
[21:42] <clivejo> is 5.7.5 build on 5.26?
[21:43] <valorie> well, the said devel needs to do some checking on it
 ffe?
[21:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: no, not at present
 @marcinsagol, Feature Freeze Exception<tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze<tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[21:45] <valorie> @marcinsagol, as I understand it, getting them uploaded is what we need to do first
 Yes I asked about that - if this is what we need now to upload stuff to archive :)
[21:45] <valorie> then the release team will look at our FFe
 Ah. Ok ;)
[21:46] <valorie> if yofel isn't about, and sgclark is moving, then we need ScottK, shadeslayer or sitter to help us
[21:46] <clivejo> or maybe mirv?
[21:47] <valorie> ah, or Mirv!
[21:47] <valorie> I had forgotten we have another person to help
[21:47] <tsimonq2> the forementioned person is a Core Dev :)
[21:47] <tsimonq2> s/forementioned/aforementioned/
[21:47] <valorie> \o/
[21:47] <valorie> and friendly and helpful
[21:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: although Phil said framweworks was fairly independent version-wise, it seemed best not to do plasma on FW 5.6 in case that is just what goes in and a dev want to review it built on the archive's 5.24
[21:49] <acheronuk> Phil mentioned Mirv in the meeting
[21:49]  * clivejo is worried about Phil and hopes hes ok
[21:49] <tsimonq2> ^ +1
[21:50] <acheronuk> ditto
[21:50] <valorie> same here
[21:51] <valorie> he still seemed a bit shaky last time I heard from him
[21:53] <tsimonq2> wth...
[21:53] <tsimonq2> KDE Bouncer down again?
 @Valoriez @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk seems the KDE bouncer is down again... :(
 @acheronuk see your latest wiki page edit ;)
[21:54] <acheronuk> yes, seems so
 gah
 happy to have mine on my own server
 @tsimonq2, PMSL
 @acheronuk, what does that mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??????????????
 nice testimonial @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie ;)
 oh, netsplit
 lovely
[21:58]  * acheronuk waits for freenode to pick itself up off the floor
 the kde sysadmins are restarting the KDE bnc
[22:00] <acheronuk> yeah. alphabetical by kde identity time
 /me is all the way at the bottom of the list! \o/
[22:04] <acheronuk> R is a fair way along
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdepimlibs build #517: FIXED in 2 min 45 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdepimlibs/517/
[22:18] <tsimonq2> \o/
[22:21] <acheronuk> seems the apps staging ppa is determined to sit just above it's size limit
[22:22] <tsimonq2>  /o\
[22:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kdepimlibs build #80: FAILURE in 8 min 58 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kdepimlibs/80/
[22:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdepimlibs build #160: STILL FAILING in 9 min 20 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdepimlibs/160/
[22:23] <tsimonq2> ****, I think I did that
[22:25] <tsimonq2> nope, your fault acheronuk :P
[22:25] <tsimonq2> The following packages have unmet dependencies: sbuild-build-depends-kdepimlibs-dummy : Depends: libqt5webengine5-dev (>= 5.6.1~) but it is not going to be installed
[22:25] <tsimonq2> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:25] <tsimonq2> but that's NOT the priority atm
[22:25] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: kdepimlibs no longer exists for what KCI is building now, so it's rather academic
[22:25] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:26] <acheronuk> that was the package that split in 3
[22:26] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: should I disable it then?
[22:26] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Applications/16.08_Release_Notes
[22:27] <acheronuk> I would guess so.
[22:27] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:28] <tsimonq2> done
[22:28] <valorie> so we have to work on FW first, then Plasma, and then any apps there is time to get in?
[22:29] <tsimonq2> valorie: whatever time we have left we should try
[22:29] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: PIM is also a bit messed up as a 2nd level Qtwebengine build dep got it's name changed in yakkety, so QtWebengine needed a no change rebuild to pick that up
[22:30] <acheronuk> in KCI ^^^
[22:30] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:30] <valorie> it would be a shame if all that work on qtwebengine and then PIM was wasted
[22:31] <acheronuk> valorie: it won't be.
[22:31] <valorie> good
[22:31] <valorie> we need to get some devels to start uploading thought
[22:31] <tsimonq2> valorie: all the errors listed on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.26.0_yakkety.html are upstream or for optional packages
[22:31] <tsimonq2> valorie: (upstream ones are just warnings)
[22:32] <tsimonq2> valorie: we need an FFe for that, right?
[22:32] <acheronuk> we would
[22:35] <valorie> things were simpler when jon was still an archive admin
[22:35] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, valorie: here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23204737/
[22:35]  * tsimonq2 nods
[22:36] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, valorie: how's that look?
[22:36] <valorie> afaik, great
[22:36] <acheronuk> ok. if that staging ppa hasn't had it's superseded stuff deleted by the LP janitor by the morning, I'll ask for modest size bump
[22:36] <tsimonq2> now what?
[22:36] <tsimonq2> what else needs to be done before that FFe is submitted?
[22:36] <tsimonq2> developers willing to work on it?
[22:36] <tsimonq2> what?
[22:36] <valorie> we need devels to upload
[22:37] <acheronuk> review and upload
[22:37] <tsimonq2> but I mean before we submit the FFE?
[22:37] <valorie> Mirv, Yofel, sgclark, ScottK, shadeslayer, or sitter
[22:38] <tsimonq2> I mean, the FFe won't be approved right away
[22:38] <valorie> I believe so, yes
[22:38] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: probably not a lot, as surely can be amended?
[22:38] <tsimonq2> so we need volnteers?
[22:38] <tsimonq2> *volunteers?
[22:38] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: correct, FFe can be changed
[22:38] <tsimonq2> (it's just a bug report)
[22:40]  * valorie will write a blog
[22:40] <valorie> about this
[22:40] <tsimonq2> valorie: what for?
[22:40] <tsimonq2> you think we'll get a bunch of people to pop on #ubuntu-release and pester? :P
[22:40] <tsimonq2> (joking)
[22:41] <valorie> to get some volunteer devels to help us across the finish line
[22:41] <valorie> we need ONE devel to do that
[22:41] <acheronuk> guilt trip
[22:41] <tsimonq2> ^
[22:41] <tsimonq2> lol
[22:41] <valorie> philip or mirv perhaps
[22:42] <valorie> or even sgclark if her move is so uneventful she's bored
[22:42] <valorie> lol
[22:42] <acheronuk> Mirv helped Phil get a lot through on the Qt transition, though he had a vested interest
[22:43] <valorie> right, we all have mixed interests
[22:43] <tsimonq2> if only I was a devel...
[22:43] <valorie> one of these days!
[22:43] <acheronuk> one day
[22:43] <tsimonq2> I haven't gone anywhere! I've gone up north for a weekend but I have enough drive that I'd be on top of this
[22:44] <tsimonq2> and if at one point I don't, I will fly you out so you can slap me in the face :P
[22:44] <valorie> pfff, if you fly out I have a guestroom for ya
[22:44] <tsimonq2> :D
[22:44] <valorie> no slapping
[22:44] <acheronuk> dev also has to build some trust with the release team so scarlet said, which makes HUGE sense
[22:44] <valorie> unless my cat attacks
[22:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: or hitting with a baseball bat
[22:45] <tsimonq2> see Telegram PM
[22:45] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: you know the pic :P
[22:47] <acheronuk> o_O https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/10930326
[22:47] <acheronuk> Started 4 hours ago
[22:48] <tsimonq2> wth...
[22:48] <acheronuk> I swear it takes longer to build that each time
[22:54] <valorie> http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2016/09/kubuntu-needs-some-kubuntu-developer.html
 👍👍
[22:55] <acheronuk> that will go on planet KDE I presume
[22:56] <valorie> yes, both planets
[22:56] <valorie> kde and ubuntu
[22:56] <tsimonq2>  \o/
[22:58] <acheronuk> Right. Night I think, as I'd be better served being awake tomorrow rather than half asleep I think.
[22:58] <acheronuk> Thank you both for the wiki comments :)
[22:59] <acheronuk> and anyone else who feels like adding to them ;)
[22:59] <valorie> thanks for stepping up, acheronuk
[22:59] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: thank clivejo for his very thoughtful testimonial :P
[23:00] <acheronuk> sadly I can only go half way up the step ladder at the moment, but thanks, and it's a pleasure to help
[23:00] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: lol
[23:01] <valorie> right now we're getting over a hump
 (Photo, 600x458) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/eej9L7y3/file_542.jpg
 lol
[23:01] <valorie> next cycle we should have an easier time
[23:01] <tsimonq2> valorie: yes! :D
[23:01] <tsimonq2> I agree valorie
[23:01] <acheronuk> next cycle and backports should get a flying start!
[23:01] <valorie> we had a series of unfortunate events
[23:02] <tsimonq2> we need to know *exactly* what the release cycles are and land ASAP once released
[23:02] <tsimonq2> get it prepped the day of release (2 days after max), allow 1-2 weeks for testing, then SHIP! :D
[23:03] <valorie> easier said than done, but that's the goal for sure
[23:03] <tsimonq2> by the end of the cycle either acheronuk or me will be a Kubuntu Developer
[23:03] <tsimonq2> (me for sure lol)
[23:03] <acheronuk> within reason, yes. with more people shoudl be easier
[23:03] <tsimonq2> yes, and we won't have this!
[23:04] <valorie> I hope for Clive and santa
[23:04] <valorie> and you two
[23:04] <tsimonq2> that too
[23:04] <tsimonq2> agreed
[23:04] <valorie> more pressure off Philip and Scarlett
[23:04] <tsimonq2> I can't agree morew
[23:04] <tsimonq2> *more
[23:04] <valorie> that will be a nice team of devels
[23:04] <acheronuk> lol. we'll end up with too many chiefs and no indians
[23:04] <tsimonq2> hopefully yofl doesn't end up quitting before then :(
[23:04] <tsimonq2> it's a race against time
[23:04] <valorie> no, everybody will be able to pitch in as they have time
[23:05] <valorie> instead of a grind
[23:05] <tsimonq2> ^
[23:05] <tsimonq2> that's the point, isn't it?
[23:05] <valorie> yep, fun!
[23:05] <tsimonq2> valorie: use your magical wizard powers and get us one more person :D
[23:06] <valorie> heh
[23:06] <acheronuk> there will be time for someone to go off and say for example "I'm going to go and learn enough pyqt5 to fix the slideshow"
[23:07] <tsimonq2> I agree
[23:07] <valorie> yes, we need that fixed before the next LTS
[23:07] <valorie> it sucks that we can't get it done by the beta deadline
[23:07] <valorie> oh, well
[23:07] <acheronuk> I would like to help a bit more on Neon as well, as I feel that could benefit both ends
[23:07] <valorie> acheronuk: agreed
[23:08] <tsimonq2> I've been helping in Debian a bit
[23:08] <tsimonq2> I think I'd go that route
[23:08] <valorie> all of those are good
[23:08] <tsimonq2> except for fixing merge failures in Neon, I already called all time merge failure vanguard :P
[23:08] <acheronuk> valorie: already told Jonathon I would like to explore that once Yakkety is out
[23:09] <valorie> cool
[23:09] <acheronuk> but we shall see how that goes.
[23:11] <acheronuk> Ok. Night night, all
[23:12] <tsimonq2> sleep already?
[23:12] <tsimonq2> it's only 6 PM
[23:12] <tsimonq2> :P
[23:12] <tsimonq2> o/ acheronuk q
[23:12] <tsimonq2> s/q//
[23:13] <valorie> sweet dreams, Rik
[23:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kde-baseapps build #89: FAILURE in 18 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kde-baseapps/89/
[23:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[23:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kde-baseapps build #90: FIXED in 25 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kde-baseapps/90/
[23:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps build #76: STILL FAILING in 39 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps/76/
[23:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps build #80: STILL FAILING in 46 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps/80/
[23:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps build #77: STILL FAILING in 39 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps/77/
[23:30] <sgclark> ok, couldn't have picked a worse week. There is no way I can verify, upload and be blamed when things go wrongs for hundreds of apps. So what I will do is frameworks, if someone wants/can step up for other stuff. Sorry, I just can't promise more.
[23:31] <tsimonq2> thank you sgclark
[23:31] <tsimonq2> (cc valorie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[23:31] <tsimonq2> sgclark: so what are you able to do?
[23:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps build #81: STILL FAILING in 44 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kde-baseapps/81/
[23:32] <sgclark> what I said. frameworks.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> sgclark: are you going to look at frameworks? submit an FFe?
[23:32] <tsimonq2> sorry for the first question
[23:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps build #78: STILL FAILING in 40 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kde-baseapps/78/
[23:32] <sgclark> I will upload. and take on the resposibility.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ok
[23:32] <sgclark> no you need to submit the Ffe, I will sign it,
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ok
[23:33] <sgclark> I verified locally, but will still have to see what happens with tests
[23:33] <sgclark> all heck can still break loose
[23:33] <tsimonq2> sgclark: can I submit this then? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23204737/
[23:33]  * tsimonq2 nods
[23:33] <sgclark> yeah that looks good
[23:34] <tsimonq2> ok, submitting
[23:34] <sgclark> link bug so I can claim responsibility
[23:34] <sgclark> on the bug
[23:35] <valorie> sgclark: if you can do even part of FW that would be a huge help
[23:35] <valorie> I blogged to get us more help
[23:35] <sgclark> no part of frameworks would break many things hah
[23:35] <valorie> no guilting on your shoulders
[23:36] <tsimonq2> sgclark: bug 1625392
[23:36] <sgclark> sorry, my new roomate is high maintenance :( but I will take on frameworks, best I can do.
[23:36] <sgclark> thanks tsimonq2
[23:36] <valorie> that's awesome
[23:37] <tsimonq2> so we need someone ot just plain upload Plasma 5.7.5
[23:37] <tsimonq2> *to
[23:37] <tsimonq2> no FFe needed since it's bugfix
[23:37] <tsimonq2> and that needs to happen ASAP
[23:37] <tsimonq2> because it requires release team ack after Thursday, and that's not fun :/
[23:38] <tsimonq2> (or tomorrow, whenever the freeze is)
[23:38] <sgclark> and it has been tested?
[23:38] <tsimonq2> and that is a bit of a pita imho
[23:38] <valorie> tsimonq2: that still requires devel time
[23:38] <tsimonq2> sgclark: yep
[23:38] <valorie> not just "upload"
[23:38] <tsimonq2> sgclark: several people have been running that for a long time
[23:38] <tsimonq2> s/long/good amount of/
[23:38] <sgclark> quick link to the QA?
[23:38] <tsimonq2> valorie: well of course, but essentially that's what it us
[23:38] <tsimonq2> *is
[23:39] <tsimonq2> sgclark: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.7.5_yakkety.html
[23:39] <sgclark> eww there are some scary looking oranges
[23:39] <sgclark> yeha I don't want to over chew sorry
[23:40] <tsimonq2> ok
[23:40] <tsimonq2> valorie: still need another dev then ;)
[23:41] <tsimonq2> see, valorie has magical wizard powers :P
[23:41] <valorie> we do need more than one devel for sure
[23:41] <tsimonq2> valorie: if only Clive...
[23:41] <valorie> perhaps Philip and Mirv will be able to do plasma
[23:41] <valorie> I live in hope
[23:42] <valorie> well, wishful thinking gets us nowhere
[23:43] <tsimonq2> well I know for sure in a year I'll be a dev ;)
[23:43] <valorie> in time for the next LTS!
[23:44] <tsimonq2> I didn't even think of it like that...
[23:44] <tsimonq2> hah
[23:44] <tsimonq2> :D
[23:59] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_okular build #12: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_okular/12/


[11:29] <ikt> hey head_victim
[11:45] <head_victim> Evenign ikt
[11:54] <sagaci> hi
[11:56] <ikt> hey guys :D
[11:56] <ikt> I think I might be back again
[11:57] <ikt> Was watching
[11:57] <ikt> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/
[11:57] <ikt> when I realised playing wow how unproductive I am
[11:59] <ikt> and I got an email from s.fox
[12:00] <ikt> and I've been invited to be a global mod on ubuntu forums
[12:17] <ikt> poke :/
[12:23] <head_victim> Score, nice work with the mod thing
[12:24] <ikt> XD
[12:24] <ikt> was walking around like i'd won an oscar for a while there
[12:24] <head_victim> I'm only here right now because I'm procrastinating on an assignment due Wednesday myself. So me talking about productivity is not a good thing :P
[12:24] <ikt> lol
[12:24] <ikt> been there man
[12:24] <ikt> so many times
[12:24] <ikt> like every assignment I've ever been given? :/
[12:25] <head_victim> Hah well with a minimum of 2 assessment pieces per subject every 2 months there's always something on for me :/
[12:27] <ikt> I'll be heading back in a month or 2
[12:27] <ikt> or whenever the next period starts
[12:28] <head_victim> Cool, my silly course only had a 3 week break over Christmas :/
[12:28] <ikt> turns out I have learning difficulties and without ritlin or something like it I can't do anything :D
[12:28] <ikt> or as jim jeffries said.. i'm an idiot
[12:29] <ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbvStm0Sp8
[12:29] <head_victim> I don't know if it's good or bad but I had to google jim jeffries to figure out who he was.
[12:29] <ikt> ohh
[12:29] <ikt> he's one of the best aussie comedians ever
[12:29] <ikt> if you're into his style of comedy
[12:29] <ikt> which is very... blunt
[12:30] <ikt> and misogynistic and all round shock humour
[12:32] <head_victim> Fair enough, I'll look him up one time.
[12:36] <dns53> is anyone at linux.conf.au?
[12:36] <head_victim> dns53: nah I can't ever seem to make it back. Maybe if they're in Brisbane again I can organise it.
[12:37] <dns53> how bad is the weather where you are?
[12:38] <head_victim> dns53: settled down now, was pretty wet and windy for a long while there.
[12:40] <ikt> wish I was there
[12:40] <ikt> not in the storm
[12:40] <ikt> but at linux.conf.au
[12:41] <dns53> i'm looking for the keynote on friday, sir tim berners-lee
[12:42] <ikt> oh yeah!
[12:42] <ikt> is there streaming happening?
[12:43] <ikt> I saw it  mentioned on the mailing list
[12:49] <dns53> no idea about streams, the talks are being recorded so if they are not streaming they will have the video's soon after the conference
[13:43] <ikt> awesome
[16:35] <mesquka> Hi


[14:28] <charlie-tca> persia, you around today?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> General question: who do I need to get with to insure xubuntu alpha1 images for i386 and amd64 only?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Also need to put my name down for release contact for Xubuntu
[17:39] <cjwatson> do you want us to stop building dailies for other architectures for now?
[17:39] <cjwatson> or just to not worry about releasing them?
[17:48] <skaet> cjwatson,   just to let you know,  have done tasks 1 (mostly), 2, and 4 from MielstoneProcess checklist.
[17:48] <skaet> not seeing pitti around right now, so not sure about #5 (re-enable apport by default)
[17:50] <charlie-tca> cjwatson, I don't have anyone to fix the issues or test them. Is there any problem with stopping them until we have someone to work with them?
[17:55] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: done, just remember if you intend to re-enable them that the longer they stay disabled the harder it will be to get them working again
[17:55] <cjwatson> skaet: thanks
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I didn't know that. Let's leave them enabled then, but do not release them
[17:56] <charlie-tca> cjwatson, thank you. Your advice is always appreciated.
[17:57] <skaet> cjwatson, hmm,  just realized message about Natty is being held for moderation on ubuntu-devel-announce.  Can you help with that?
[17:57] <cjwatson> oh, ok.  in that case you don't really need to ensure anything in advance - just tell us that they aren't releaseable
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Will do. thanks
[17:58] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: reverted then
[17:58] <cjwatson> skaet: approved
[17:58] <skaet> cjwatson, thanks!  :)
[18:09]  * skaet heading out for lunch now...
[18:36] <doko> all buildds busy with toolchain builds, time to finish for today ...


  The nodes come up and I can see them in netstat, but they don't appear in the dashboard.  Is there a particular log I should be looking at to see why they aren't appearing?
[13:38] <ionutbalutoiu> Hello, a dev environment for MAAS (https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/hacking.html) can be done on trusty ?
[13:44] <kiko> ionutbalutoiu, well, it depends
[13:45] <kiko> ionutbalutoiu, 1.9 is the last version of MAAS that will run on Trusty
[13:45] <kiko> if you are looking to do a bugfix against 1.9, trusty should be fine
[13:45] <kiko> if you are looking at feature development, trunk is now based against xenial
[13:45] <kiko> so that may be the saner longer-term choice
[13:46] <ionutbalutoiu> Thank-you, kiko, I'll be going with xenial, as I need to submit a patch for trunk
[13:46] <kiko> ionutbalutoiu, you can work in a xenial container running on trusty, incidentally
[13:49] <mup> Bug #1522790 changed: MAAS API needs to provide a way to discover which is the default space <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1522790>
[13:53] <ionutbalutoiu> I have another question guys. I'm willing to submit a power driver for Ravello Virtual Machines. But this has a python dependecy "ravello-sdk" (https://github.com/ravello/python-sdk) which is pip installable. Will this have any problem getting merged ?
[13:54] <ionutbalutoiu> I noticed that the VMware driver has a notification to install a dependency from apt before you can use the driver. Wanted to do the same to notify the user to do a "pip install ravello-sdk". Is that ok ? Or it must be from apt.
[13:54] <ionutbalutoiu> see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1544211
[14:03] <roaksoax> win 4
[14:04] <roaksoax> ionutbalutoiu: it is
[14:04] <roaksoax> ionutbalutoiu: the python package at least needs to be in the Ubuntu archive
[14:11] <QCC> kiko, this is Quentin from Caringo.  Are you in the central time zone?
[14:18] <roaksoax> QCC: Hi Quentin. THis is Andres from Canonical. Kiko is based in Brasil, so I think he is in Sau Paulo tz
[14:42] <QCC> Good morning Andres.  tks for that.  What is your TZ?  I'm CST6CDT
[14:48] <roaksoax> QCC: I'm on EST
[15:55] <mup> Bug #1273382 changed: should be able to set default arch for unknown hardware <hwcert-server> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273382>
[15:58] <mup> Bug #1273382 opened: should be able to set default arch for unknown hardware <hwcert-server> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273382>
[16:07] <mup> Bug # changed: 1273382, 1305907, 1473473, 1490865, 1510334, 1511610
[16:10] <mup> Bug # opened: 1305907, 1473473, 1490865, 1510334, 1511610
[16:16] <mup> Bug # changed: 1305907, 1473473, 1490865, 1510334, 1511610
[18:46] <Razva> is there any way to tail a juju deployment via autopilot? I cannot really find any logs of the ingoing installation...
[19:25] <mup> Bug #1547185 opened: backtrace in node.create_bcache <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547185>
[19:28] <mup> Bug #1547185 changed: backtrace in node.create_bcache <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547185>
[19:31] <mup> Bug #1547185 opened: backtrace in node.create_bcache <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547185>
[19:43] <metsuke> So my maas dashboard does not see any of the nodes that booted via pxe.  Where should I be looking for this issue?
[19:52] <Lyncos1> hi
[19:52] <Lyncos1> After upgrading to 1.9  It seems that regiond cannot sync my custom images.. is it a known bug ? I didn't find much
[19:56] <Razva> metsuke dhcp logs, tcpdump. did your machines connected to the maas-dhcp?
[20:01] <Lyncos1> I can't see why this happening... I don't see any errors in the logs
[20:09] <Lyncos1> If I delete that custom image.... the cluster come back in sync.. when I re import it .. it become out of sync.. but I see no errors in the logs


[23:51] <pronto> http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt A missing bounds check in the handling of the TLS heartbeat extension can be used to reveal up to 64k of memory to a connected client or server. Only 1.0.1 and 1.0.2-beta
[23:51] <pronto> ^incase you missed memo
[23:54] <ronswift> hello everyone
[23:54] <pronto> hello hello
[23:54] <ronswift> lets wait a few minutes to see if others will be joining us


[01:48] <bazhang> ubottu, lag
[01:49] <knome> ETOOMUCHLAG
[01:49] <bazhang> bot seems to be down
[01:52] <knome> there we go.
[01:52] <knome> only 4 min lag.
[01:53] <bazhang> hah
[09:43] <Myrtti> whee it worked
[13:08]  * ikonia touches LjL-Touch
[13:08]  * LjL-Touch provides haptic feedback
[15:00] <phunyguy> @btlogin
[15:00] <LjL-Touch> ;P
[15:01] <phunyguy> the bot is broked
[15:01] <LjL-Touch> oh woe
[15:02] <Pici> wfm
[15:02] <phunyguy> how to fix
[15:03] <phunyguy> she is not responding to me
[15:03] <IdleOne>  do @login
[15:03] <phunyguy> o
[15:03] <phunyguy> @login
[15:03] <phunyguy> @btlogin
[15:03] <IdleOne> now btlogin
[15:03]  * phunyguy headdesks
[15:04] <phunyguy> I must've disconnected or something
[15:04] <jussi> the bot had so downtime recently
[15:06] <phunyguy> ahh
[17:19] <Myrtti> k1l: "we won't help you, and the channel owners and ops are free to run their channels as they please"
[17:21] <Pici> hm?
[17:21] <bazhang> banned for no reason asking in #ubuntu
[17:22] <bazhang> correct answer imo would be: /msg the ops ; /msg cs access #channel list , look for +o
[17:22] <bazhang> sending to #freenode just creates more nonsense
[17:23] <bazhang> Happy Year of the Horse, btw
[17:23] <k1l> well, imho its kind of the service from freenode to manage those issues in #freenode
[17:23] <LjL-Touch> ^
[17:23] <k1l> or more: it should be
[17:23] <bazhang> but they would not actually interfere
[17:23] <Pici> IMO, it depends how much noise it is causing in the channel.
[17:23] <LjL-Touch> it's not my business whether or not staff actully decide to deal with / have a look at the issue
[17:23] <bazhang> so to get out of #ubuntu and elsewhere, possibly
[17:23] <bazhang> to solve it, what I said
[17:24] <LjL-Touch> well, to solve it, #freenode is the place where someone should be guided through the whole /msg cs access thing etc
[17:24] <bazhang> NEIGH!!111
[17:24] <LjL-Touch> not Ubuntu. that's about as offtopic as installing Windows
[17:24] <bazhang> </frau bluchner>
[17:25] <bazhang> or just PM them and tell them
[17:25] <ikonia> is this the guy asking for help with ubuntu but he says he's banned ?
[17:25] <ikonia> he said he's using ubuntu, so surly we can help him ?
[17:25] <bazhang> ikonia, banned somewehre else
[17:25] <LjL-Touch> what
[17:25] <Pici> ikonia: they were just pestering us in #freenode about being banned from ##physics.
[17:25] <ikonia> but he's using ubuntu and wants help with ubuntu ? or something else ?
[17:25] <bazhang> not to do with ubuntu that I can see
[17:25] <ikonia> ahhh so he doesn't want help with ubuntu
[17:25] <ikonia> ok
[17:26] <Pici> k1l: that won't work
[17:26] <k1l> yes, didnt whois first if that is a webchat
[17:26] <Pici> okay ;)
[17:27] <LjL-Touch> Pici: why won't it? i thought the ident encoded the IP
[17:27]  * Pici pokes LjL-Touch's brain
[17:27] <LjL-Touch> no, really
[17:27] <LjL-Touch> it's the IP in hex ;(
[17:27] <k1l> but again: i dont know of any "i am banned in #other-channel, help me" issue that was resolved with one line so far. so stopng the offtopic and sending them to #freenode is the right way, imho
[17:28] <k1l> LjL-Touch: there are excepts for webchats
[17:28] <Pici> LjL-Touch: Do your bots remove the +e when something matching that user is quieted? it hasn't in the past.
[17:28] <LjL-Touch> OH RIGHT
[17:28] <k1l> and if you kick a webchat the floodbots remove that except for that ip
[17:28] <LjL-Touch> well i can't be expected to know the subtleties related to how some bots that i wrote operate
[17:28] <Pici> ;)
[17:28] <k1l> but i would like the bots to remove the except when someone is muted. yes
[17:29] <LjL-Touch> exempt*
[17:29] <LjL-Touch> k1l, they do, but the mute needs to be by nickname
[17:29] <LjL-Touch> because most of our mutes used to be like that, so that's what thye look for
[17:29] <Pici> Instead of making chanegs to the bots, we probably should update the procedure now that IP bans sort of work on gateway users now
[17:30] <k1l> hmm, i use chanserv.py which automatically mutes the ident
[17:32] <IdleOne> /cs mute -n $user
[17:33] <ChallengerSS> hey
[17:33] <ChallengerSS> I think a terrible mistake happened
[17:33] <Pici> How can we help you?
[17:34] <ChallengerSS> it seems the op ikonia may have overstepped its boundaries before
[17:34] <ChallengerSS> I was asking a proper question about Ubuntu before
[17:34] <Myrtti> I didn't see anything like that happening
[17:34] <Pici> It looked like you were trying to get unbanned in a channel that has nothing to do with #ubuntu
[17:35] <ChallengerSS> Why do all these channels have the exact same people
[17:35] <IdleOne> because we all maintain the same channels
[17:36] <IdleOne> or did you think #ubuntu had one op?
[17:36] <Myrtti> I was going to give a witty answer but the joke would have been lost
[17:36] <LjL-Touch> Pici: i do suspect at this point, that whole part of the floodbots could be done away with
[17:36] <ChallengerSS> I mean I go to #freenode and Pici and Myrtti are there
[17:37] <phunyguy> as am I
[17:37] <ChallengerSS> I go to #ubuntu and ... Pici  and Myrtti are there
[17:37] <phunyguy> :)
[17:37] <LjL-Touch> ChallengerSS: #freenode is free for people to join
[17:37] <Pici> ChallengerSS: I like to help people in #freenode.
[17:37] <ChallengerSS> Now I go to #ubuntu-ops and... guess who is here
[17:37] <hggdh> and so am I
[17:37] <Myrtti> ChallengerSS: it's not surprising that #ubuntu ops are in  ... #ubuntu-ops
[17:37] <LjL-Touch> given they are #ubuntu ops, i don't find it very surprising they are in #ubuntu-ops
[17:37] <Myrtti> ChallengerSS: neither is it surprising that #ubuntu ops are in #freenode
[17:38] <phunyguy> Especially Myrtti, who is Freenode staff
[17:38] <Myrtti> it's not really too illogical
[17:38] <LjL-Touch> maybe that's the problem
[17:38] <LjL-Touch> freenode is generally assumed to BE illogical ;(
[17:38] <Myrtti> LjL-Touch: but I'm a Finn. I excel at logic and pragmatism.
[17:38] <ChallengerSS> Can I be honest
[17:38] <Myrtti> most of the time anyway
[17:38]  * LjL-Touch refrains from commenting
[17:38] <IdleOne> Would be nice
[17:38] <Myrtti> I love you too, LjL-Touch
[17:38] <LjL-Touch> ChallengerSS: i'm pretty sure you can
[17:39] <IdleOne> Can we stay on topic here and help ChallengerSS
[17:39] <LjL-Touch> IdleOne: i'm pretty sure we can
[17:39] <ChallengerSS> I didn't like it when in #freenode someone mentioned the ##Physics op
[17:39] <ChallengerSS> It alerted Metaleer
[17:39] <ChallengerSS> :(
[17:39] <LjL-Touch> okay...?
[17:40] <k1l> ChallengerSS: can you sum up what the actually issue is with you and the #ubuntu channels?
[17:41] <k1l> #freenode is not run by the #ubuntu ops. so if there is a problem please talk to the freenode staff
[17:41] <Pici> and ##physics is not run by Ubuntu ops either.
[17:41] <LjL-Touch> and neither is #ubuntu
[17:41] <LjL-Touch> wait
[17:42] <LjL-Touch> sorry i am confused, im trying to get used to cars driving on the right again
[17:43] <ChallengerSS> Are any of you friendly with the ##physics operators?
[17:43] <ChallengerSS> : - )
[17:44] <LjL-Touch> not me
[17:44] <IdleOne> We can't help you get unbanned there, speak to the ops of that channel
[17:44] <hggdh> ChallengerSS: I am sorry, but I do not understand what being friends with ops in other namespaces have to do with us
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> `_`
[17:44] <Myrtti> from experience as a Ubuntu op I can tell you one thing - that you need to personally talk to an op instead of asking someone else to be your attorney
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> I already have
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> And none of them listen to me
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> :(
[17:44] <Myrtti> there you go then.
[17:44] <Myrtti> wait and sit it out
[17:44] <phunyguy> They are allowed to not listen.
[17:45] <ChallengerSS> I also have a right to be in their channel
[17:45] <Myrtti> whatever gave you that idea?
[17:45] <k1l> ChallengerSS: no. you have no right
[17:45] <phunyguy> yeah that's not true at all.
[17:46] <LjL-Touch> FREE SPINACH
[17:46] <phunyguy> There is a reason channels have operators.  The operators get to dictate who is allowed in the channel.  Not the end user.
[17:46] <phunyguy> again, it is beyond the scope of this channel.
[17:47] <hggdh> more, it is beyond the scope of *any* #ubuntu-* channel
[17:47] <phunyguy> ^
[17:47] <ChallengerSS> Why does everyone say the same
[17:47] <LjL-Touch> it is even beyond the microscope and the telescope
[17:47] <ChallengerSS> It's like all you people cover the asses of the physics operator
[17:47] <phunyguy> ChallengerSS: because they are speaking the truth.
[17:48] <LjL-Touch> make your own channel about conspiracy theories perhaps
[17:49] <hggdh> ChallengerSS: anyway, there is nothing for you here. Your problem is elsewhere, so I suggest you go elsewhere and solve it.
[17:49] <LjL-Touch> that worked!
[17:49] <k1l> ChallengerSS: that is common sense, that not ops from other channels will reveal a ban for you. talk to the operators. if they dont think you should get back in its your problem. think about your actions before you are banned
[17:49] <Myrtti> another satisfied customer
[17:50] <phunyguy> <3
[17:51] <LjL-Touch> did you know that the word "satisfy" comes from a compound latin verb basically meaning "having had enough"
[17:51] <phunyguy> I did not.
[17:52] <LjL-Touch> satis+fio
[17:52] <LjL-Touch> like in satiate
[17:53] <IdleOne> I can tell you that I was satisfied with how the situation was handled by some of the ops
[17:53] <IdleOne> I would appreciate less satisfaction next time
[17:53] <LjL-Touch> that's satisfying
[17:55] <phunyguy> "some"?
[17:55] <IdleOne> I said what I meant
[17:55] <phunyguy> and you meant what you said.
[17:55] <LjL-Touch> phunyguy he's being annoyed at my jocularity about the event
[17:55] <phunyguy> I know. :)
[17:56] <LjL-Touch> but that's fair since i'm being jocular about his annoyance
[17:56] <IdleOne> not about it
[17:56] <IdleOne> during
[17:56] <LjL-Touch> oh wait so you mean i should only poke fun at and mock the person while they aren't listening
[17:57] <LjL-Touch> yeah i'm sorry, for a moment i forgot that's the ubuntu policy
[17:57] <IdleOne> no, we shouldn't mock anyone
[17:58] <IdleOne> except the voiced in -offtopic of course
[17:58] <LjL-Touch> wow that train is like... on Mars, by now?
[17:58] <LjL-Touch> Saturn maybe
[17:58] <phunyguy> That's because people enjoy it.
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> oh god that red thing means frenocha is highlighting me
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> wish me luck
[17:59]  * phunyguy giggles
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> oh
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> no it's just this idiotic window client putting highlights in the wrong places ;(
[20:09] <rww> 17:36:27 < LjL-Touch> Pici: i do suspect at this point, that whole part of the floodbots could be done away with
[20:09] <LjL-Touch> don't say it
[20:09] <rww> LjL-Touch: the IP-ban-working-properly thing would only work if we switched to IP bans and stopped using hostname bans
[20:10] <LjL-Touch> i guess
[20:10] <rww> so there's still some use for them, assuming we take as true that they're useful in the first place
[20:10] <rww> (that was the snark you expect, I assume)
[20:10] <LjL-Touch> mhm
[21:00] <Pici> :|
[21:00]  * rww hits ubottu with a spoon
[21:00] <rww> @login
[21:00] <rww> !volunteer is <alias> contribute
[21:01] <LjL-Touch> hey if i pay someone a tribute but i don't really mean it, do i contribute
[21:02] <rww> depends, do you have a convergent UI for your tribute
[21:02] <Pici> is the tribute in a cryptocurrency?
[21:02] <LjL-Touch> if i look at it with my eye crossed
[21:02] <LjL-Touch> Pici: lolcoin
[21:02] <LjL-Touch> wait no
[21:03] <LjL-Touch> we are aiming for a currency not worth anything, right?
[21:03] <LjL-Touch> euro
[21:05] <Myrtti> Dunning-Krugerrands FOR THE UNIVERSE
[21:33] <tonyyarusso> It's always a bad sign when I understand what's happening in here even less than -offtopic.
[21:34] <Myrtti> which part did you miss?
[21:35] <Myrtti> I blame Corey.
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> Right now I'm reading the wiki entry for Dunning-Krugerrand Effect
[21:35] <Myrtti> Dunning-Kruger
[21:35] <Myrtti> next one is Krugerrand
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> err, Dunning-Kruger effect and another article on Krugerrands
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> right
[21:35] <Myrtti> innit great?
[21:35] <Myrtti> I blame Corey for teaching me that
[21:36] <Myrtti> it's the most delicious and apt portmanteau
[21:38] <tonyyarusso> I just closed both tabs.  Without clicking any of the links.  I emerge victorious over the tempations of wiki!
[21:39] <Myrtti> I salute you
[21:39] <Corey> Yay!
[21:40] <tonyyarusso> and now I'm reading scrollback and narrowly avoided spewing my drink all over my laptop upon reading LjL-Touch's "FREE SPINACH" remark...
[21:40] <Myrtti> IKR!
[21:41] <Myrtti> twas funneh
[21:41] <LjL-Touch> tonyyarusso: it's what an activist Popeye would say
[21:58] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu jeb_bush now instulting me in pm
[23:06] <genii> Good night :)


[07:31] <kjackal> hi ak_dev, are you ok with the peer relation problems? Reading your post on the ovn issue
[09:53] <anrah> Is there a way to mock reactive-decorators when writing unit-tests for charms?
[09:54] <anrah> I mean by that that somehow to write test without actually deploying the unit to make sure that spesific method is called
[10:11] <ak_dev> kjackal: hey, sorry had to go out for classes
[10:12] <ak_dev> I still have an issue there, are you free to talk?
[10:12] <armaan> jamespage: hello, i have deployed mitaka and just noticed that neutron.conf in compute and network node starts with #kilo line while neutron.conf in neutron-api container starts with #mitaka
[10:12] <armaan> jamespage: Is that intentional?
[10:13] <jamespage> armaan: that line indicates the earliest release that version of the template that generate the file supports
[10:13] <jamespage> so its not always the same as the series you're deploying
[10:14] <armaan> jamespage: ok. I asked because all agents logs are filled with either rabbit timeout messages or pymysql db errors. I can spawn VMs but i cannot ping them
[10:15] <armaan> jamespage: The rpc messages are very similar to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1338732
[10:15] <mup> Bug #1338732: Timed out waiting for a reply via rabbit <icehouse-backport-potential> <in-stable-icehouse> <in-stable-juno> <verification-needed> <Ubuntu Cloud Archive:Fix Released> <oslo.messaging:Fix Released by sileht> <oslo.messaging (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <oslo.messaging (Ubuntu Trusty):Fix
[10:15] <mup> Released by james-page> <oslo.messaging (Ubuntu Utopic):Won't Fix by niedbalski> <oslo.messaging (Ubuntu Vivid):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1338732>
[10:17] <kjackal_> ak_dev: I am here!
[10:18] <ak_dev> kjackal_: hey great! So the issue is with me getting stale data over the relation
[10:18] <ak_dev> just a sec
[10:19] <ak_dev> this is the interface : https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/tree/lenovo-pod/interfaces/master-config
[10:19] <ak_dev> the setup works fine with one master / OVN and one worker / OVN
[10:19] <ak_dev> OVN being the subordinate to master and worker
[10:20] <ak_dev> and I am using the above interface to pass some data from master OVN to the worker OVN
[10:20] <ak_dev> the data being sent is for that particular worker instance
[10:20] <kjackal_> wait up ak_dev this does not sound right
[10:21] <ak_dev> kjackal_: oh alright, did I follow a wrong approach?
[10:21] <kjackal_> the peer relation is for a relation established among units of the same application
[10:22] <kjackal_> for example if you have many masters and you want them to talk to eachother one option is to use a peer interface
[10:23] <ak_dev> kjackal_: in this case, I will have many OVN units subordinate to either master or worker
[10:23] <kjackal_> if you have a master-worker relation you should be using an interface with provides/requires parts
[10:23] <kjackal_> ak_dev: can you show me where this interface is used?
[10:23] <ak_dev> kjackal_: oh, so I need to exchange data between different OVN charms
[10:23] <ak_dev> yeah
[10:24] <ak_dev> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NHnDb9tG/
[10:24] <kjackal_> ah, that sounds better :)
[10:25] <ak_dev> ah okay :-)
[10:25] <ak_dev> I am not sure whether I have implemented the interface right, but I get the wrong data when I add another unit
[10:26] <kjackal_> ak_dev: you have a single ovn unit acting as a master to all the rest or are all ovn subordinates equal?
[10:27] <ak_dev> kjackal_: oh, we can set one to be master? I have not set anything as such, so all are equal
[10:27] <kjackal_> ok
[10:28] <ak_dev> https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/layers/ovn/reactive/ovn.py#L146
[10:29] <ak_dev> kjackal_: for the master side of the data
[10:29] <ak_dev> https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/layers/ovn/reactive/ovn.py#L389
[10:29] <ak_dev> https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/layers/ovn/reactive/ovn.py#L413
[10:29] <ak_dev> worker side
[10:37] <kjackal_> ak_dev: help me understand something
[10:37] <kjackal_> ak_dev: you start with a single ovn charm
[10:38] <kjackal_> ak_dev: you add a second peer and this causes the connected state to be set:https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/interfaces/master-config/peers.py#L109
[10:39] <kjackal_> then the worker side will send its data over https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/layers/ovn/reactive/ovn.py#L413
[10:39] <kjackal_> and will set the 'worker.cert.sent' state
[10:39] <ak_dev> kjackal_: yeah
[10:41] <kjackal_> ak_dev: then the master will recieve the data: https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/layers/ovn/reactive/ovn.py#L389
[10:42] <kjackal_> ak_dev: and will set the 'worker.data.registered' state
[10:42] <ak_dev> kjackal_: this part is for worker to receive data again from master
[10:43] <ak_dev> https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/lenovo-pod/layers/ovn/reactive/ovn.py#L146
[10:43] <ak_dev> here is where master receives the data just sent
[10:51] <kjackal_> ak_dev: ok I think I get it
[10:51] <kjackal_> ak_dev: so what goes wrong with this interface?
[10:51] <kjackal_> Some exception ?
[10:52] <ak_dev> no, so for the first two units, one subordinate to master and one subordinate to worker, this works fine
[10:52] <ak_dev> when I add another unit subordinate to another worker unit, things go wrong
[10:52] <ak_dev> here, by worker and master I mean kubernetes-worker and kubernetes-master
[10:52] <kjackal_> "go wrong" how?
[10:53] <kjackal_> ak_dev: what happens
[10:53] <kjackal_> ?
[10:53] <ak_dev> in the new unit, I get the same data that was sent to the first unit from master
[10:53] <ak_dev> now in the new unit, the state "worker.cert.sent" does get set
[10:55] <ak_dev> kjackal_: so I am not sure where its going wrong
[10:57] <ak_dev> is there any way you can connect via juju to my controller? I have this setup already, with the error
[10:57] <ak_dev> on GCE
[10:57] <ak_dev> kjackal_: ^^
[17:53] <tychicus> what is the difference between charms and bundles maintained by openstack-charmers vs openstack-charmers-next?
[17:54] <rick_h> tychicus: the -next are the in dev charms/bundles for the next release of openstack
[17:54] <rick_h> tychicus: they might include new charms for a new service in the openstack or new config/behaviors that are going to be setup/allowed to be tweaked
[17:54] <tychicus> ok, so those should be avoided for production environments
[17:55] <rick_h> tychicus: yes, they're useful for preparing for what's coming in the future but they're in dev
[17:56] <tychicus> rick_h: thank you. I will keep that in mind
[18:00] <tychicus> I am looking at adding the ceph fs charm https://jujucharms.com/ceph-fs/ to my existing ceph deployment.  the documentation mentions "In my example deployments on EC2 the following ceph.yaml will work:" I don't see the afore mentioned ceph.yaml, is there something I am missing?
[18:01] <rick_h> tychicus: not sure, beisner do you know about the ceph-fs stuff there? ^
[18:37] <beisner_> hi rick_h tychicus - looking at that ceph-fs doc issue now
[18:38] <beisner_> fyi, it seems to be erroneous line left in the readme
[18:41] <tychicus> beisner_: so I should just be able to juju deploy ceph-fs and juju add-relation ceph-fs ceph-mon
[18:43] <beisner_> tychicus - indeed.  the charms have config options which can be adjusted to fit your needs.  osd device names, for example.  also, whether or not to unmount ephemeral devices.
[18:44] <tychicus> right, I already have the ceph cluster up and running, just looking to add ceph fs
[19:46] <beisner_> i've raised a docfix review to remove that bit of confustion on the ceph-fs charm.  thanks for raising that here, tychicus & rick_h
[19:46] <beisner_> confusion, even ;-)