[12:12] <mpt> Ah, thanks Inkscape for letting me group one object together with itself
[12:13] <mpt> Really useful, that is


[01:15] <jrandall> I'm hoping someone here might be able to help with a failed `juju upgrade-juju` - I ran it a few hours ago to upgrade from 1.21.1 to 1.22.0, but it failed and now my agent is stuck in an error state
[01:16] <jrandall> (I also emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but thought I'd try here as well)
[06:31] <apuimedo> lazyPower: ping
[06:31] <lazyPower> apuimedo: o/ pong
[06:32] <apuimedo> lazyPower: what kind of timezone are you in?
[06:32] <lazyPower> EDT - but you're on my watch list so i get pings sent to my mobile.
[06:33] <lazyPower> Whats up?
[06:33] <apuimedo> omg, I'm so sorry about that. ping me when you get up in the morning
[06:33] <apuimedo> it's just to discuss about the review you sent me ;-)
[06:33] <lazyPower> No worries mate
[06:33] <lazyPower> I'll be around in ~ 5 or 6 hours.
[06:34] <apuimedo> very well :-)
[06:34] <apuimedo> Enjoy some rest
[08:13] <mwak> hi
[12:55] <vila> I can't 'juju status' anymore on a local deployment I made last week-end
[12:56] <vila> vivid/1.22.0-0ubuntu1 (hmm, upgraded from 1.20 this morning... can this be related ?)
[12:56] <vila> juju status just hangs
[12:56] <vila> what can I do to get some better diagnosis ?
[13:04] <vila> ha
[13:05] <vila> after a long timeout (~10mins given my previous msg ;) juju status dies with: WARNING discarding API open error: unable to connect to "wss://localhost:17070/environment/65ccd21a-868f-42fe-85b2-72084fb6ceb9/api"
[13:05] <vila> some question remains though: how do I debug this further ?
[13:47] <schkovich> vila: do you have a firewall enabled on juju state server?
[13:48] <lazyPower> apuimedo: pong )
[13:49] <lazyPower> :)
[13:49] <vila> schkovich: nope, no firewall
[13:49] <vila> but I was finally able to boot vivid with systemd instead of upstart and I wonder if that may explain it...
[13:50] <lazyPower> vila: systemd wasn't supported until 1.23 - here's a mailing list post on it
[13:50] <lazyPower> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2015-March/005072.html
[13:50] <vila> finally == I got a fix this morning so I could stop booting with upstart instead of the default systemd
[13:50] <lazyPower> if you're working with 1.22 - it makes sense that you're running into issues, really sorry about that.
[13:51] <vila> lazyPower: that's expected when running a dev release isn't it ;-) Thanks for confirming, I already feels much better !
[13:52] <lazyPower> well 1.23 is the dev release currently :)
[13:52] <vila> lazyPower: yeah, was referring to vivid but same idea ;)
[13:52] <lazyPower> oh!
[13:53] <lazyPower> good call :D
[13:53] <vila> lazyPower: I was forced to use upstart until today and I didn't realize this could have an impact on juju until I tried 'juju status' ;)
[13:54] <vila> but my juju deployed lxc container did start and works properly
[13:56] <vila> lazyPower: so, I'd like to keep running vivid/systemd, I can re-create my local deployment if needed, will I be able to do that with juju 1.23 knowing that I want to deploy on trusty and precise lxc containers ?
[13:57] <vila> (and I'd prefer to switch back to stable juju asap but that can wait a bit if needed ;)
[13:59] <lazyPower> vila: yeah, 1.23 should be fine for you to use in dev. I'm using it daily here and its been pretty stable but i'm also on trusty
[13:59] <lazyPower> so ymmv - but i know that 1.23 in vivid is better supported than 1.22 - and you get the added benefit of the new features enabled by default like juju actions
[14:00] <lazyPower> upgrading from 1.23 when it lands as stable should be no trouble as well, just juju upgrade-juju
[14:00] <vila> lazyPower: ack, thanks
[16:29] <lfforman> good morning
[16:31] <lfforman> i am new to juju, and i am trying to add an existing DigitalOcean machine to my juju environment, with the add-machine command. my issue is that the ssh port to this server is not the standard port 22, where do I state the ssh port I want to use?
[16:32] <lazyPower> lfforman: great question, let me spin up a DO environment and inspect
[16:32] <lazyPower> 1 moment
[16:32] <lfforman> ok, thanks
[16:45] <lazyPower> lfforman: this is taking a moment, it appears my node(s) are getting hung up in provisioning on DO
[16:45] <lazyPower> sorry about the delay
[16:54] <lfforman> ok
[16:55] <lfforman> lazyPower: I had to get off my computer for a minute i am back
[16:55] <lazyPower> ok, i'm reconfiguring the node to accept ssh on a non standard port atm
[16:55] <lazyPower> finally got my machines out of pending in the DO gui
[16:56] <lfforman> ok
[16:56] <lazyPower> it was strange, it doesn't normally give me fits like this :) it must know i'm up to no good
[16:56] <lfforman> :D
[17:02] <lazyPower> lfforman: i'm not seeing a clear path forward to do this addition,t he command simply errors out with positional arguments :|
[17:02] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10774659/ is what i'm seeing
[17:04] <lfforman> this is the same result i’ve got
[17:06] <lazyPower> lfforman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441749
[17:06] <mup> Bug #1441749: Add-Machine does not support non-standard ssh port <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441749>
[17:06] <lfforman> i am going to have lunch, thank you for the help
[17:06] <lazyPower> you may want to mark that bug as affects you so you can follow along with any new developments.
[17:06] <lfforman> ok
[17:07] <lazyPower> sorry about not having good news, cheers mate
[20:44] <apuimedo> lazyPower: hi. I hope it's not too late
[20:47] <lazyPower> o/ apuimedo nope not too late.
[20:47] <apuimedo> good!
[20:49] <apuimedo> lazyPower: I fixed the markdown
[20:49] <apuimedo> moved the .venvs to each charm
[20:49] <lazyPower> yeah :| sorry about that - but you'll thank me when we get this in CI
[20:50] <lazyPower> having the .venv in ../ was going to cause problems
[20:50] <apuimedo> lazyPower: I'm still wondering about if I should just give up and have it all in bazaar
[20:50] <lazyPower> you can still track upstream and vendor into bzr
[20:50] <lazyPower> i wrote a tool fo rthis
[20:50] <lazyPower> https://github.com/chuckbutler/git-vendor
[20:50] <apuimedo> lazyPower: that would come in handy :P
[20:51] <apuimedo> thanks!
[20:51] <apuimedo> The icons I'll handle next week
[20:51] <lazyPower> its relatively new, so if you encounter any bugs with git-vendor bugs are welcome :)
[20:51] <apuimedo> lazyPower: I wish I had time
[20:51] <lazyPower> the changelog support is pending, but tag exports are working well, I've been using it on the docker/kubernetes charms
[20:51] <apuimedo> I'd write a guide on the service framework too
[20:52] <apuimedo> after having read the code
[20:52] <apuimedo> to find the small things
[20:52] <lazyPower> new stuff for that as well - the services framework has some backwords incompatible changes coming that cory_fu will be sending out as soon as the docs are sorted
[20:53] <apuimedo> heh
[20:53] <lazyPower> :S
[20:53] <apuimedo> that sounds like it's going to keep me busy
[20:53] <lazyPower> are you installing charmehlpers from pip?
[20:53] <apuimedo> nope
[20:53] <cory_fu> The changes are not that significant, really
[20:53] <lazyPower> if you're following the embedded pattern no change is required.
[20:53] <apuimedo> I gave up on that
[20:53] <apuimedo> I failed two deployments due to some breaking commit
[20:54] <lazyPower> ouch
[20:54] <cory_fu> The docs for the new version are available here, for comparison, if you want a heads-up: http://big-data-charm-helpers.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[20:54] <apuimedo> well, a change will be required the next time I want to rebase ;-)
[20:54] <apuimedo> which I'd like to be in the same 6 months cycle as openstack
[20:55] <apuimedo> lazypower: about the purpose of the midonet-repository interface
[20:55] <lazyPower> ah yes, do tell
[20:55] <apuimedo> it's a configuration provider charm
[20:55] <apuimedo> basically, the charms that relate to it
[20:55] <lazyPower> ok, so its essentially an orchestrator for the services, and covers all the charms shared config?
[20:55] <apuimedo> get the repository and release information
[20:56] <cory_fu> Here's a side-by-side comparison of the changes: http://i.imgur.com/lR9Z60W.png  I'm hopeful it won't be too onerous
[20:56] <apuimedo> so that they can render that information as part of their puppet hiera.yaml
[20:56] <apuimedo> lazyPower: only the repo info for now
[20:56] <apuimedo> no more shared things
[20:56] <apuimedo> it saves you from having many subordinate deploying going around
[20:57] <lazyPower> i understand why you chose that pattern, makes sense to me
[20:57] <apuimedo> and the rendering is common
[20:57] <apuimedo> so it's not really code duplication, it's similar to charm-helpers embedding
[20:57] <lazyPower> i still have 3 of the midonet charms to look at, but everything i saw in the first three was extremely good - just some minor nit cleanups for the store really.
[20:57] <apuimedo> only that instead of pulling, I push from my git repo into the charms
[20:57] <lazyPower> have you built a bundle for the midonet stack?
[20:57] <apuimedo> lazyPower: thanks ;-)
[20:58] <apuimedo> lazyPower: I'm doing so now
[20:58] <apuimedo> this week
[20:58] <lazyPower> bundle + tests will = quick win during final review
[20:58] <apuimedo> I'm basing it off the openstack bundle
[20:58] <lazyPower> perfect
[20:58] <apuimedo> still fighting some minor issues in some hooks though
[20:58] <lazyPower> thats exactly what I was looking for - to see if you were going to consume the existing openstack bundle, and bolt onto it
[20:59] <apuimedo> yes, something like that
[20:59] <lazyPower> https://jujucharms.com/openstack/ <-- this will become a topic page in the next week or so when the UI Engineering team finishes the release
[20:59] <lazyPower> but i think this is a good place to get started anyway :)
[20:59] <apuimedo> one thing I wanted to ask. To submit my change to charm-helpers and neutron-api I did it in the next branches
[20:59] <apuimedo> so that it would be upstreamed
[20:59] <lazyPower> yep, thats the process - submit against next, the charmhelpers guardians review + release.
[21:00] <apuimedo> but for deployment in production, how crazy is it to deploy that neutron-api?
[21:00] <apuimedo> (my changes over next)
[21:00] <lazyPower> neutron is always the troublemaker for me
[21:00] <apuimedo> lazyPower: s/me/everybody/
[21:00] <apuimedo> :P
[21:00] <lazyPower> ^ that
[21:00] <apuimedo> cory_fu: thanks for the comparison
[21:01] <cory_fu> np.  I didn't want you getting scared from what lazyPower said.  :p
[21:02] <lazyPower> :D its not untrue
[21:02] <apuimedo> so I think I'll backport the changes to neutron-api for current production
[21:02] <lazyPower> just call me lazy, master of FUD
[21:03] <apuimedo> Fun Understanding and Discipline?
[21:07] <apuimedo> cory_fu: have you considered having the services framework be provided by the agent?
[21:07] <apuimedo> in a juju namespace
[21:07] <apuimedo> from juju.helpers import services
[21:09] <cory_fu> We hadn't, really, no.  Seems like the same could be suggested of most of the things in charmhelpers
[21:10] <apuimedo> cory_fu: I think it would make quite a bit of sense
[21:10] <apuimedo> things like hookenv and such
[21:10] <apuimedo> bundled with agent releases
[21:10] <apuimedo> on the same cycle
[21:10] <cory_fu> I don't really disagree.
[21:11] <apuimedo> well, that's almost an agreement :P
[21:12] <blr> cory_fu: how's the service framework refactor going?
[21:13] <cory_fu> I think the main argument against is that Juju is intended to be as language agnostic as possible.  So, bundling specific language bindings with the agent, and more so single language only features like the framework, go against that
[21:13] <cory_fu> (Though, I'd also like to work toward making the patterns, at least, of the framework more language agnostic, as well)
[21:15] <cory_fu> blr: Really well.  I think it's just about ready to MP against upstream.  I linked a preview of the docs for the new version above (http://big-data-charm-helpers.readthedocs.org/) as well as a side-by-side comparison image that I'm going to include in my upgrade path doc (http://i.imgur.com/lR9Z60W.png)
[21:15] <blr> cory_fu: neat, will have a look.
[21:21] <blr> cory_fu: looks good, 'requires', 'callback' and 'cleanup' are clearer.
[21:22] <blr> cory_fu: partial is new presumably?
[21:22] <blr> oh that's from functools, nvm :)
[21:22] <cory_fu> partial is built-in, part of functools
[21:22] <cory_fu> :)
[21:26] <blr> cory_fu: are you working on systemd support yet?
[21:27] <lazyPower> apuimedo: the takeaway is you're almost ready for teh final review? like in the mid to late 90% range?
[21:27] <cory_fu> Nope, but I think that would just involve a change to host.service_*
[21:30] <blr> cory_fu: will that release break the api? By the looks of it, upgrading our charms should be quite easy however.
[21:32] <cory_fu> The new version of the framework will definitely not be entirely backwards compatible, but, as you said, I don't expect the changes required to be too bad.  If deemed necessary, we could possibly even come up with a compatibility layer to ease the transition, but I'm reluctant to do that unless really necessary.
[21:33] <blr> cory_fu: ok, will convey that to ci, they've been using the services framework too.
[21:34] <cory_fu> Thanks.  Do let me know if a compat layer is something that we should look into
[21:34] <blr> our charms are reasonably simple, but I can't speak for others.
[21:35] <apuimedo> lazyPower: :-)
[21:35] <apuimedo> I'll be as soon as my bundle works
[21:36] <apuimedo> I'd say 90%
[21:36] <apuimedo> probably
[21:36] <apuimedo> lazyPower: not for the amulet part, unfortunately
[21:36] <apuimedo> so the 90% is over-optimistic because of that
[21:37] <lazyPower> Would it be helpful if we sta down and had a quick hour long charm school over amulet tests?
[21:37] <lazyPower> we can riff and start writing tests while pairing
[21:39] <apuimedo> lazyPower: that sounds really good for next week. I'll talk with my team tomorrow morning CEST and I'll shoot you an email ;-)
[21:39] <lazyPower> Sound good, i know for sure theres no way i can do it on Monday - but later on next week it shouldn't be an issue
[21:39] <apuimedo> ;-)
[21:45] <cory_fu> Alright, I have to head out.  Got to finish packing to head to Germany tomorrow.  :)
[21:46] <apuimedo> cory_fu: have a nice trip


[06:08] <zyga> good morning
[06:23] <mborzecki> morning
[06:24] <zyga> hey mborzecki
[06:25] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:27] <zyga> mborzecki how are you doing
[06:28] <mborzecki> zyga: bit sleepy 🙂 i really hope the dst thing will be gone next year
[06:29] <zyga> mborzecki yeah, it's somewhat disruptive
[07:18] <pstolowski> morning
[07:19] <mborzecki> pstolowski: heya
[07:31] <zyga> hey pstolowski
[07:32] <pstolowski> o/
[08:12] <mup> PR snapd#10090 opened: interfaces/apparmor: followup cleanups, comments and tweaks <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10090>
[08:39] <pedronis> mborzecki: hi, I commented further in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10090#issuecomment-809189374
[08:39] <mup> PR #10090: interfaces/apparmor: followup cleanups, comments and tweaks <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10090>
[08:42] <mborzecki> pedronis: yeah, good point, though i'd like to do it in a separate branch if that's ok
[08:42] <pedronis> mborzecki: it's ok
[08:42] <mborzecki> and we can tweak the naming if needed
[08:43] <pedronis> basically I think only ifacestate should ideally know about repo and backends
[09:09] <pedronis> the CA check is getting 503 from LP :/ ?
[09:38] <pstolowski> pedronis: yeah something is wrong with cla check
[09:42] <mborzecki> it worked on friday, something in LP maybe?
[09:42] <mborzecki> we also merge the cla check action on thursday iirc?
[10:07] <mup> PR snapd#10091 opened: overlord/snapstate, overlord/ifacestate: move late security profile removal to ifacestate <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10091>
[10:08] <mborzecki> pedronis: ^^ the ifacemgr bit a bit annoying
[11:23] <mup> PR snapd#10092 opened: tests: uboot-unpacked-assets updated to reflect the real path used to find the kernel <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10092>
[11:52] <pedronis> mborzecki: it's fine, couple small comments
[11:55] <pedronis> pstolowski: should I re-review #10053 ? do we need to discuss?
[11:55] <mup> PR #10053: o/snapstate: helper for getting snaps affected by refresh, define new hook <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10053>
[11:55] <mup> Bug #10053: gimp: new changes from Debian require merging <gimp (Ubuntu):Fix Released by seb128> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10053>
[11:57] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've two open points still, need to think more
[12:04] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks for the review
[12:29] <pedronis> pstolowski: I expaned on of my comments there, maybe now it's clearer what I was thinking
[12:30] <pedronis> *expanded
[12:30] <pedronis> *one
[12:35] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes that helps, thanks
[14:02] <pedronis> pstolowski: I commented a bit more on the Status PR
[14:29]  * cachio afk
[16:23] <mup> PR snapd#10093 opened: o/configstate/configcore/picfg.go: add hdmi_cvt support <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10093>
[16:52] <dob1> hi, I am not able to run a qt application,  the errors I get are these: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7d6642dd/
[16:52] <dob1> what can I do?
[16:53] <dob1> I forget the most important thing: the problem is running this application on wayland


[10:45] <g0twig> jojojo folks
[10:46] <g0twig> I want to start, to make packages available for newer gnome software
[10:46] <g0twig> is anyone intrested?
[10:47] <g0twig> like gnome-calendar, Polari
[10:55] <g0twig> Zoiaguyver: jo
[13:22] <jbicha> darkxst: are you around?
[13:25] <jbicha> or ricotz, do we have good reasons for needing g-s-d 3.8? bug 1219486
[15:49] <gocrystaltears> hello
[16:59] <mariusR> hello all
[16:59] <mariusR> just now I have seen that there is a ubuntu gnome version! my question to you is: is this a sort of a oficial ubuntu release
[16:59] <mariusR> I am interested in a verry stable release
[16:59] <mariusR> will there be a sort of LTS releases?
[17:01] <jbicha> yes, Ubuntu GNOME is an official Ubuntu flavor: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[17:02] <Zoiaguyver> It is an official release, I think the next LTS will be 14.04 (it's a guess that ubuntu GNOME will be LTS for 14.04)
[17:02] <jbicha> we currently don't have enough developers and testers to be able to commit to providing long-term support
[17:04] <mariusR> Now I was reading the FAQ so I kinda got the point
[17:04] <mariusR> from what you said ....
[17:05] <mariusR> is gnome ubuntu in any way less stable then the same release of ubuntu
[17:05] <Zoiaguyver> It's a nice fresh project :)
[17:05] <mariusR> ps: if it's fresh then I am glad that I have kinda got it from the begining
[17:05] <mariusR> :)
[17:06] <Zoiaguyver> Well a lot is personal opinion, but so far even the Alphas are more stable than a lot of linux distros I've tried over the years.
[17:06] <mariusR> a ok...I get the point...I was asking puctual...as a direct compo with ubuntu
[17:06] <mariusR> sorry for posing so much questions...
[17:07] <mariusR> problem with me is that I loved ubuntu but since the unity and all....
[17:07] <mariusR> I started disliking it...
[17:07] <Zoiaguyver> No problem the more questions the better :). It's as stable if not more so than Ubuntu on my rig
[17:07] <mariusR> also took a look at mint as it was more on my taske as an interface...
[17:07] <mariusR> now with this...a ubuntu again with gnome...for me sounds grate
[17:08] <mariusR> I have downloaded it and now creating a bootable usb...
[17:08] <Zoiaguyver> Yep a lot feel the same I think.
[17:08] <mariusR> thank you for your support....
[17:08] <mariusR> I am verry happy to see this project underway...
[17:09] <mariusR> thank you...and have a great night...
[17:09] <mariusR> by
[17:09] <Zoiaguyver> No problem, If you decide to make the switch and get any issues, just come back and ask, someone is normally around (not 100% of the time at the moment, but getting there)
[17:09] <Zoiaguyver> You too
[17:09] <mariusR> ok i will...
[17:09] <mariusR> :)
[17:44] <g0twig> hey
[17:44] <g0twig> anyone here?
[17:44] <g0twig> ricotz:  jo
[18:30] <ricotz> g0twig, better just tell what the problem is
[18:31] <g0twig> ricotz: oh there are you
[18:31] <g0twig> ricotz: I want to help you, get gnome software onto Ubuntu (PPA)
[18:32] <g0twig> I compiled a number of gnome software, with packages which are in the staging ppa ((build)dependencies)
[18:32] <g0twig> ricotz: can I help?
[18:34] <ricotz> g0twig, nice, what in specific? you can propose a packaging diff to the current saucy package and someone might pick it up and upload it
[18:34] <g0twig> ricotz: for what should I "package" ? gnome 3 staging PPA or Ubuntu upstream?
[18:34] <g0twig> I dont understand ;X
[18:35] <ricotz> g0twig, or push a bzr branch with your changes against the matching ubuntu-desktop team branch
[18:35] <g0twig> ricotz: if my package is in a good state, could you put it into the gnome 3 staging ppa?
[18:35] <g0twig> e.g Gnome Photo version 3.9.4
[18:36] <g0twig> and what should I do with really new software, software that isnt even released yet, but soon (gnome-software,maybe gnome-calendar)
[18:36] <ricotz> ah, i see. i guess nobody looked at this one yet
[18:37] <g0twig> and gnome-maps of course
[18:37] <ricotz> you will have to start a new packaging branch and propose it
[18:37] <g0twig> ricotz: can we include software into the gnome 3 staging ppa, which does not even have a stable version yet?
[18:37] <ricotz> in case of those you might want to propose them to debian experimental which is already getting into shape with 3.10
[18:38] <g0twig> so, debian does care more about gnome than Ubuntu?
[18:38] <ricotz> if there is a released tarball it is fine to add those
[18:39] <ricotz> ubuntu sync packages from debian and to avoid double work it is better to propose such new packages directly to debian
[18:39] <ricotz> but of course we can add them to the ppa first too
[18:39] <g0twig> but debian packaging is supposed to be hardcore?
[18:39] <ricotz> huh?
[18:40] <g0twig> xD I dont know
[18:40] <g0twig> but the software on experimental is still outdated
[18:40] <g0twig> why so
[18:40] <g0twig> its version 3.8 lol
[18:40] <g0twig> not even 3.9
[18:40] <ricotz> push you packages to your own ppa and testbuild them
[18:41] <ricotz> *your
[18:41] <g0twig> ricotz: I just want to make sure I dont double the affords :X
[18:41] <ricotz> 3.9 packages are currently in svn
[18:41] <g0twig> maybe I look how to bring gnome-photos to a newer version
[18:41] <g0twig> ricotz: what do you mean with "svn"? not packaged yet?
[18:41] <g0twig> or not built yet
[18:42] <ricotz> g0twig, http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/
[18:43] <g0twig_> sry, epiphany crashed
[18:44] <ricotz> so if there is no ubuntu specific packaging this is what you want to base your new package on
[18:44] <g0twig_> btw. epiphany is also outdated in staging ppa, the private mode is broken
 g0twig, http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/
[18:44] <g0twig_> thx
[18:45] <ricotz> as said propose a diff of "debian/*" of your working package and someone will look at it
[18:46] <g0twig_> they dont even use git ;X
[18:49] <jbicha> I think the Debian GNOME team are interested in switching to git but no one's volunteered to do the conversion without losing history - they maintain over 250 packages
[18:49] <jbicha> it's just a lot of work
[18:49] <jbicha> they also seem open to using dh7 now instead of cdbs
[18:50] <g0twig_> how can I get that branch
[18:50] <g0twig_> sry for being an idiot
[18:50] <g0twig_> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/gnome-photos/debian/
[18:54] <jbicha> svn co svn://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/gnome-photos/
[18:54] <g0twig_> thx
[19:10] <g0twig_> so I reused this src package , and was able to compile a version based on 3.9.4
[19:10] <g0twig_> just added one new dependency
[19:12] <g0twig_> oh god.. gnome-photos is so slow
[19:12] <g0twig_> but it sort of works
[19:35] <bjsnider> oh, well that's good
[19:37] <bjsnider> doesn't work for me. launches but nothing's in it and no way to add anything
[19:37] <bjsnider> that being 3.8.2 in raring
[20:46] <g0twig_> bjsnider: so you used the original package from the gnome 3 repo?
[20:46] <bjsnider> yep
[21:04] <darkxst> jbicha, morning
[21:05] <siwica> I am trying to install Ubuntu GNOME (latest stable version). After inserting my LIve CD and clicking "Install" I have waited fot about 20 min so far but only see a blue screen with no progress bar and only my mouse pointer. Is that supposed to be that way?!
[21:06] <darkxst> the two main things I can think of are OSD's and power stuff
[21:08] <jbicha> darkxst: do you want to add some comments to the bug then? I wasn't sure which features and bugfixes were the most important from the NEWS file
[21:09] <darkxst> jbicha, sure will do in a bit
[21:10] <darkxst> I suspect there will also be a lot of bugs in gnome-shell caused by the old g-s-d
[21:10] <darkxst> but I never really tested that
[21:11] <darkxst> things like keygrabber
[21:11] <darkxst> should be rather broken
[21:13] <darkxst> input switching possibly broken also?
[21:14] <darkxst> basically anything that was offloaded into shell/mutter etc is likely to be buggy


[15:28] <Jordan_U> ubuntu314: So if my current working directory is "/home/jordan/" then the relative path "Documents/foo.txt" is equivalent to the absolute path "/home/jordan/Documents/foo.txt". If however my current working directory is "/etc/" then the relative path "Documents/txt" is equivalent to "/etc/Documents/foo.txt" (which is probably not a path to a file that actually exists).
[15:29] <tatertots> i'm back...the system rebooted...looks okay..now to check mission crit software...and that my atsc tuner and media center functions still work
[15:31] <Jordan_U> ubuntu314: If you open a new terminal the default current working directory is "/home/username/" where "username" is your username. So you have probably been creating files below the directory /home/you/, and your SD card is probably mounted to /media/you/some_name/, which means that your mkdir commands haven't affected the SD card at all.
[15:31] <ubuntu314> Jordan_U: I just used rmdir boot and then mkdir boot and it seemed to work
[15:32] <ubuntu314> lets try with root
[15:32] <Jordan_U> ubuntu314: What is the output of "pwd"?
[15:32] <BlankSpace> jordan
[15:34] <Jordan_U> BlankSpace: Please be patient.
[15:34] <tatertots> my mission critical software needed kernel headers generic..installing those now...almost gave me a heart attach
[15:34] <BlankSpace> you'l give me solution?
[15:35] <k1l> tatertots: less drama, more technical details please
[15:37] <ubuntu314> Jordan_U: output of pwd?
[15:37] <tatertots> my software couldn't automatically find the kernel headers 3.2.0-105-generic and wants me to provide the path....what's the path?
[15:37] <tatertots> there was no drama there kil...i just need to find the path
[15:37] <Jordan_U> ubuntu314: Run "pwd" in a terminal. Tell me what "pwd" prints to the screen.
[15:38] <tatertots> how do i find this path/location of my kernel headers
[15:38] <k1l> tatertots: we focus on actual technical issues and details and not focus on commentary. kernel 3.2 sounds like its a very old ubuntu release? which is it?
[15:38] <ubuntu314> Jordan_U: im syncing files now 1 second
[15:39] <tatertots> 12.04 LTS
[15:39] <k1l> tatertots: make sure "linux-generic" is installed
[15:40] <tatertots> thanks kil
[15:41] <Jordan_U> BlankSpace: What is the output of "sudo update-initramfs -c -k 3.13.0-88-generic" ?
[15:42] <ubuntu314> Jordan_U: the drive booted right up! thanks for making me think everything is working out i can believe i was concidering reinstalling umbuntu to format a drive
[15:43] <ubuntu314> well now to tackle another beast Arch SD my headach continues
[15:43] <ubuntu314> thanks guys thanks bunt
[15:43] <ubuntu314> thanks jordan
[15:43] <Jordan_U> ubuntu314: You're welcome.
[15:44] <blut> ubuntu314: you know that arch has amazing guides?
[15:45] <wiehan> my firefox crashes constantly and is very slow. Chrome works fine. Running gnome on 16.04. Any advice? Need firefox for webdevelopment
[15:46] <eelstrebor> is there a way to run the samsung magician software under ubuntu? they have windows and mac versions available but not for linux. doesn't work from within virtualbox
[15:48] <MoPac> Hello. I'm having quite a hard time booting into a new (re-)install with my root being an lvm volume in a LUKS container. Right now on boot, it's erroring out looking for the vg before it's attempted use cryptsetup.
[15:48] <ravi> hi, I want to use my old PC which doesn't have hard drive. So I choose to use xubuntu live cd (since it is low configuration PC).
[15:48] <ravi> Can I install vlc in my live usb so that I could use it in that pc?
[15:49] <Jordan_U> eelstrebor: What does "samsung magician" do?
[15:50] <ravi> The old PC doesn't have a way to use internet.
[15:50] <wiehan> ravi, maybe from a flashdrive with the option selected that you partition/allow some space for user files
[15:50] <ravi> @wiehan, OK... then?
[15:50] <wiehan> ravi, maybe not vlc, unless you download the dvd iso
[15:50] <wiehan> ravi, and write that to the flash with DiskImage writer or similar and make it bootable
[15:51] <eelstrebor> Jordan_U, it's suppose to restore performance, install new firmware, etc
[15:51] <ravi> @wiehan, sorry i didn't get you
[15:51] <eelstrebor> Jordan_U, it's for a samsung SSD
[15:52] <ravi> do i need to write the xubuntu os / vlc ?
[15:52] <wiehan> eelstrebor, I have a samsung ssd, why do you need this software. I can take a pretty good guess that any software like that won't work under linux
[15:52] <akretep> hye
[15:52] <DJones> !persistant | ravi This may be of use to add apps to a live usb
[15:53] <DJones> ravi: See the last link
[15:53] <Jordan_U> eelstrebor: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2nrwu9/updating_samsung_evo_840_ssd_firmware_from_linux/ looks like they make at least the firmware updating capability available for linux (primarily for server use, so cli only).
[15:53] <ravi> ubottu, DJones thank you, i will check
[15:53] <akretep> quit
[15:53] <akretep> exit
[15:53] <wiehan> ravi you can write the xubuntu or lubuntu iso to a flash, not sure if they have "DVD" (larger) release isos with more software prepackaged so you don't have to download them later, especially if you don't have internet on that pc
[15:54] <Jordan_U> eelstrebor: As for trim; I'm pretty sure that Ubuntu has been automticlly TRIMing SSDs for many releases.
[15:55] <sector_0> anyone know of any wifi cards that work with ubuntu?
[15:56] <Jordan_U> !hcl | sector_0
[15:56] <wiehan> My firefox crashes constantly and can't load web pages, need help man
[15:57] <Jordan_U> sector_0: But as a quick rule of thumb, any *internal* wireless card (not USB) with an Intel or Atheros chipset should work quite well.
[15:59] <ducasse> eelstrebor: the firmware updater for linux is only available for other drives, mostly enterprise models. for the 850 series you need windows and magician, unfortunately.
[16:01] <wiehan> what does the following mean?:   poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN}, {fd=26, events=POLLIN}, {fd=27, events=POLLIN}], 5, 0) = 0 (Timeout)
[16:01] <wiehan>
[16:02] <eelstrebor> ducasse, yeah. i just tried the enterprise version of magician that runs under linux but it couldn't find the drive
[16:03] <eelstrebor> ducasse, there's probably a way to boot windows from a usb drive and run it from there but i haven't tried doing that in years
[16:04] <ducasse> eelstrebor: you might be able to get it to run from the xp pe that is on some bootdisks, but there is no way to do it from linux, unfortunately. i have two 850 evos myself.
[16:04] <wiehan> ducasse, eelstrebor do these updates really make a significant difference for non-enterprise use?
[16:05] <jwash> Hi everyone I'm on 16.04, where do I select to make this change permanent. I want to add another screen per the nvidia program request. http://www.imagebam.com/image/422123493321893
[16:05] <ducasse> wiehan: some firmware bugs are fixed etc.
[16:06] <Jordan_U> wiehan: In the paste there have been Samsung SSD firmware bugs in TRIM support that led to data loss. I would strongly recommend having the lastest SSD firmware.
[16:06] <wiehan> will come back some other time for my phantom firefox issues
[16:06] <ducasse> wiehan: as to 'significant difference', i don't know, but in general it's a good idea to fix bugs in storage devices.
[16:06] <wiehan> ducasse, Jordan_U I see, I like to live dangerously then
[16:07] <Jordan_U> wiehan: You have good backups though, right?
[16:07] <wiehan> Jordan_U, run minimal stuff on my local drive, despite tons of storage. Essential files goes to the cloud *man*
[16:08] <eelstrebor> wiehan, i've heard that over time the ssd's performance will degrade - i've been using fstrim at boot up and modified fstab to minimize the number of writes but i've heard that may not be adequate
[16:08] <wiehan> eelstrebor, I know.. just too much effort. I simply want to use firefox today
[16:10] <Jordan_U> eelstrebor: fstrim should be sufficient. I'm not sure what else you would do. (I'm pretty sure that's all that Samsung's "performance restoration" does).
[16:14] <de-facto> eelstrebor if you use ext4 you can add "discard" to the mount options in /etc/fstab
[16:15] <de-facto> something like "UUID=<THE UUID>	/ ext4 discard,errors=remount-ro 0 1"
[16:15] <tortib> I'm using libvirt with the manager and trying to setup a VM with kvm, the emulator it's using is kvm-spice and windows is loading really slowly.  Anyone know how I can resolve the slowness?
[16:16] <ducasse> tortib: use virtio for storage and network.
[16:16] <tortib> ducasse, I don't think that's it?
[16:17] <ducasse> tortib: it speeds up disk access a lot.
[16:17] <tortib> ducasse, okay i selected virtio and it's still not loading the setup quickly, I'm using all 8 CPUS
[16:18] <ducasse> tortib: you need to install the virtio drivers in windows for it to work, there are instructions on the kvm site.
[16:18] <tortib> ducasse, windows setup is NOT Loading quickly
[16:20] <tortib> ducasse, since you suggested virtio i've been trying to get into windows setup
[16:21] <ducasse> tortib: i know, it's incredibly slow unless you use virtio and install the drivers. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/WindowsGuestDrivers/Download_Drivers
[16:21] <tortib> ducasse, I CANT install the drivers YET!  The windows setup is very slow!
[16:22] <anddam> hi, while using aarch64 cross-compilers on x86_64 is there a way to set the "default" one by mean of the alternatives feature? my rationale is that I'm installing gcc-4.9-aarch64-linux-gnu that provides /usr/bin/aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.9 whereas the default make script for android calls $ARCH-gcc, but /usr/bin/aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc is only provided by gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu that is actually 5.3
[16:23] <ducasse> tortib: the best thing to do is to install the drivers during installation, but the process is really slow until you get to that point.
[16:23] <anddam> I'd like to have the "generic" /usr/bin/aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc provided by gcc-4.9, is this something supported at all?
[16:23] <tortib> ducasse, i've had this setup run for 20min and it doesn't go into setup
[16:23] <anddam> I've seen a symlink recommended on how-tos, but that doesn't seem the right approach
[16:23] <pletin12> Do you guys know any sound equalizer?
[16:25] <Aegrus> Hello
[16:26] <niranjan> Greetings folks, I need help. My installation got broken while upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04. I can select boot menu from grub now using keyboard. After that keyboard/mouse completely stops working. Don't have network either to get remotely into the box
[16:26] <eelstrebor> de-facto, already done : UUID=75657850-cb3b-4876-8294-8aa56b648707 /               ext4    discard,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:27] <niranjan> Is there anything I can do
[16:27] <Cursarion> yo, what can I do if the system doesn't properly recognize my display?
[16:28] <Cursarion> system as in ubuntu
[16:34] <MoPac> My root directory is an lvm volume in a vg in aLUKS container. How do I get the boot process to use cryptsetup on the container *before* looking for the vg and erroring out because it can't find it?
[16:34] <incandenza> hi, on ubuntu 14.04, my laptop screen goes blank randomly.  monitor is still on, but it's blank.  if i suspend and resume it comes back on.  sounds like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1047081 ... any advice, what logs should i be looking at?
[16:35] <incandenza> i tried looking as syslogs right after it happens, but nothing there looks relevant
[16:37] <incandenza> it doesn't look as simple as some kind of a screensaver timeout
[16:38] <incandenza> frequency is unpredictable, i'll be in the middle of actively using the computer
[16:44] <ubuntu-mate> ubuntu or mate
[16:44] <ubuntu-mate> which one you prefer?
[16:45] <tortib> gnome3 classic
[16:45] <tgm4883> !ot
[17:04] <nullbitt> anyone have any advice for getting an ubuntu live iso to start with a new nvidia card, i always die after i hit enter to boot install or live, with nouvea unknown chipset, googling shows people with same issue, but no work around for live or fresh install
[17:04] <nullbitt> seems to be recent to, posts showing as recent as june 2016
[17:06] <BluesKaj> nullbitt,  must be a new model nvidia
[17:09] <nullbitt> BluesKaj, it is.
[17:09] <nullbitt> a 1080 gtx, is there any workaround?
[17:09] <nullbitt> i just need a live cd to boot into a command line so i can mount a filesystem
[17:09] <nullbitt> i dont need a gui
[17:09] <MonkeyDust> nullbitt  a live cd is a gui
[17:10] <MonkeyDust> nullbitt  that's the idea and purpose of a live ce
[17:10] <cncr04s> I could never gat any ubuntu to recognize my nvidia cards, so your out of luck
[17:11] <BluesKaj> my nvidia card is recognized , never had it not recognize them
[17:11] <tgm4883> Never had an issue with my nvidia cards either
[17:12] <nullbitt> hrm.. lovely.
[17:12] <haasn> What should I do when the ubuntu full livecd results in a black screen on my machine? The netinstall / server install (text-mode) liveCDs work fine, it's just that when the full liveCD decides to switch into graphical mode that it stops working
[17:12] <MonkeyDust> nullbitt  what you need, is a rescue cd
[17:12] <haasn> Or something along those lines
[17:12] <nullbitt> monkeydust, got a link?
[17:13] <tgm4883> nullbitt: so if I'm understanding this correctly, you need to install ubuntu still right? You don't have an installation currently?
[17:13] <nullbitt> dont need to install
[17:13] <tgm4883> nullbitt: it's already installed?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> nouveau id the default driver for nvidia and the recommended driver is in the repos , but check the nvidia website for correct driver number fopr the 1080, nullbitt then install it from the repos
[17:13] <BluesKaj> id=is
[17:13] <tgm4883> nullbitt: So you just need to get to the command line?
[17:14] <MonkeyDust> nullbitt  http://ultilex.linux-bg.org/
[17:15] <tgm4883> if he's just trying to get to a command line I don't see why he doesn't just go into recovery mode in grub
[17:16] <adrian_1908> hello. When playing video (via mpv), my system doesn't go to sleep/logout. When playing audio (audacious) it does. Is there a "canonical" ;) way to ensure that certain programs keep the system alive?
[17:18] <livraria> hi@
[17:18] <ur_> some tool to flash samsung galaxy tab 10.1 from ubuntu?
[17:19] <haasn> Ugh, I've been trying (and failing) to install ubuntu 16.04 on this host for over a week now. I'm almost out of ideas >_>
[17:19] <MonkeyDust> !phone | ur_
[17:19] <MichaelJackson> Hey
[17:20] <livraria_> Hi
[17:20] <tgm4883> haasn: What happens when it boots after install?
[17:20] <nullbitt> MonkeyDust: the recovery dist will mount ntfs?
[17:20] <akik> haasn: isn't nomodeset a solution for that?
[17:20] <tgm4883> nullbitt: why are you trying to mount ntfs in a recovery session?
[17:20] <MonkeyDust> nullbitt  i used it to save a friend's windows system
[17:20] <nullbitt> akik: i tried that, i'd hit e and enter the nomodeset line and it would error
[17:21] <nullbitt> maybe i was entering it wrong.
[17:21] <nullbitt> tgm4883: need to mount an ntfs partititon and fix it.
[17:21] <nullbitt> partition/
[17:21] <akik> nullbitt: you add it to the kernel line
[17:21] <nullbitt> akik: i hit e at the grub select right?
[17:22] <akik> nullbitt: sure
[17:22] <nullbitt> maybe i was entering on the wrong part of the line
[17:22] <nullbitt> i saw 3 lines.
[17:22] <ioria> nullbitt, which video card ?
[17:23] <akik> nullbitt: the line with linux and root=
[17:23] <nullbitt> i keep seeing this "nomodeset nouveau.modeset=0"
[17:23] <nullbitt> hrm. ok
[17:23] <nullbitt> so add it to the end of the line
[17:24] <nullbitt> sound right?
[17:27] <nokT> guys, a question, I've got 3 computers, each one with drive A, B, C, respectively...
[17:28] <nokT> I need to copy files from A and B, to C. Won't I have issues with permissions and such?
[17:28] <acetakwas> How can I get the IMEI of a ZTE modem?
[17:28] <acetakwas> On my Ubuntu terminal.
[17:29] <tgm4883> nokT: not sure I understand the question. How are you copying them?
[17:29] <velusuniverse> hello all, i have  vps on ubuntu, and i currently have apache and php on the server, if i want to send emails through smtp would i need to install something like postfix, even if im using an external smtp server ?>
[17:29] <nokT> drag and dropping basically
[17:32] <tgm4883> nokT: what kind of files are these? user files?
[17:32] <nokT> yes
[17:32] <tgm4883> nokT: are all 3 systems running ubuntu?
[17:32] <nokT> 2 of them
[17:33] <nokT> but I've seen some resctrictions on a few files (from the ubuntu drive)
[17:33] <tgm4883> nokT: yea you'll probably have to fix some permissions
[17:33] <tgm4883> which 2 run ubuntu? and what is the 3rd system?
[17:33] <nokT> third is Windoze but I don't remember having any issues, I could check if that'd help
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> nokT  ntfs does not recognize ext permissions
[17:35] <nokT> MonkeyDust, I copied from ntfs to ext4
[17:35] <nokT> but my issues are with the ext4 drive
[17:36] <tgm4883> nokT: so once the files are copied to the ext drive, you should just chown them
[17:36] <nokT> from a different Ubuntu system
[17:36] <nokT> I see
[17:37] <anddam> acetakwas: are you looking for some AT commands?
[17:38] <acetakwas> anddam::  What's an AT command?
[17:38] <sanae-inouu>  bjµjhbh
[17:38] <acetakwas> I need to know the IMEI of my ZTE modem
[17:38] <sanae-inouu> its HIKJU
[17:39] <sanae-inouu> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[17:39] <anddam> is the headless installer the "ubuntu server" one?
[17:39] <DJones> sanae-inouu: This is ubutu support, if you need to test your keyboard please use ##test and not here
[17:40] <sanae-inouu> pssssststtt
[17:40] <Lehnux> Hello
[17:40] <sanae-inouu> hui
[17:40] <sanae-inouu> hi
[17:41] <sanae-inouu> can someone explane how to dowload adobe flash player
[17:41] <anddam> sanae-inouu: no, it's 2016 get over it
[17:41] <tgm4883> !flash | sanae-inouu
[17:41] <tgm4883> anddam: not helpful :(
[17:41] <sanae-inouu> fy! anddam
[17:42] <SchrodingersScat> anddam: yes, that sounds right.
[17:42] <Lehnux> sudo apt-get install adobe-flash something like that ?
[17:42] <sanae-inouu> yhea
[17:42] <SchrodingersScat> !info flashplugin-installer
[17:43] <Lehnux> Don't know if it's still in the repos
[17:43] <sanae-inouu> owh okiii
[17:43] <Lehnux> Not the latest version ?
[17:43] <freecoder_> Lehnux: if you are using chromium, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[17:44] <freecoder_> it is an official package
[17:44] <sanae-inouu> i dont know just leave it  anywayy thxx
[17:44] <tgm4883> Lehnux: Adobe doesn't make flash for linux anymore
[17:44] <sanae-inouu> owh oke then
[17:44] <Lehnux> I got best results with HTML5 players anyway
[17:45] <tgm4883> Lehnux: well yea, but not everything supports HTML5
[17:45] <Lehnux> I didn't use flash in a while
[17:45] <Lehnux> It's why it's still there
[17:45] <Lehnux> Like Java 6
[17:45] <Lehnux> F*cking KVM web interface
[17:45] <freecoder_> Lehnux: actually it works for firefox too (adobe-flashplugin)
[17:46] <Lehnux> It's me or it's not the same plugin for Firefox ?
[17:46] <PaulStuff> hi guys do you read me? I'm new to irssi and I don't know if I'm doing this right. Sorry to bother you with this.
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> PaulStuff  hit your keys harder, so we can read you better
[17:46] <BluesKaj> PaulStuff,  you're here
[17:47] <SchrodingersScat> !test | PaulStuff
[17:47] <PaulStuff> Thanks, sorry to bother you with such stupid question.
[17:47] <Pedrux> hey
[17:47] <compdoc> I started using virt-manager years ago and never looked back
[17:47] <Pedrux> how i enable hiragana and Katakana on ubuntu?
[17:47] <tortib> compdoc, have you got the usb devices to work in your kvm?
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> Pedrux  is that a game?
[17:48] <PaulStuff> Can I ask you one more question guys?
[17:48] <tortib> I'm having problems with that, i added two usb devices and the USB redirect with spice and it's still not showing up in the guest os
[17:48] <compdoc> tortib, pass-thru? I dont use that
[17:48] <tortib> compdoc, how do you do it?
[17:48] <Fiona75> I'm not hearing any sound for my lubuntu 16.04. Already tried alsamix
[17:49] <tgm4883> !help | PaulStuff
[17:50] <tortib> compdoc, how do you get USB devices to work in the guest OS?
[17:50] <Lehnux> Anyone got a way to install Java 6 in ubuntu minimal ?
[17:51] <PaulStuff> Quick question then: why is it that on some channels there's no discussion/exchange whatsoever (in contrast to here) and people just ignore fellows that -like me- ask politely? Is there some 'chat rules' that I'm not aware of in these channels? Thanks again, I realise this is not about ubuntu, but this channel seems very nice in that aspect so I thought I should ask here.
[17:51] <compdoc> tortib, I run mainly servers and dont use usb devices in the guests. There are always other ways of getting files to a guest. like samba
[17:51] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: you weren't ignored
[17:51] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: also, this isn't a chat channel
[17:52] <tortib> compdoc, trying to get actual devices to work
[17:52] <Myrtti> PaulStuff: often you just ask your question, politeness is often bypassed for a quick fix and getting to the point quick
[17:52] <tortib> not just for files
[17:52] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: there are chat channels, #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:52] <Myrtti> PaulStuff: channels often have their own lifecycle during the day, too
[17:52] <PaulStuff> tmg4883 thanks for the info, I'm learning here
[17:53] <PaulStuff> thanks Myrtti also
[17:53] <compdoc> tortib, your hardware has to be right, and the bios on the latest update for it all to work
[17:53] <SchrodingersScat> Lehnux: why do you need an old version?
[17:54] <compdoc> if your hardware is capable
[17:54] <MonkeyDust> PaulStuff  it also may depend on the timezone you're in
[17:54] <PaulStuff> tmg4883 So if I go into a channel and get no aswer, that's not odd, is that right?
[17:54] <PaulStuff> MonkeyDust yeah I'm in south america that might be it
[17:55] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: as others have mentioned, depends on a lot of things. Timezone you are in, timezone most of the channel is in, whether anyone knows the answer to your question
[17:55] <Lehnux> Because the web interface of the KVM server i'm using is made of Java 6
[17:55] <SchrodingersScat> PaulStuff: if anyone knows the answer then they'll likely answer.  Silence would imply that no one has an answer or guidance toward an answer.
[17:55] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: being in south america, you should have good times to be in this channel
[17:56] <CookieM> there’s open-java version 6 in ubuntu repos, called ‘iced tea’
[17:56] <Lehnux> I'm in Switzerland and times zones are Okay i just need to wait a few hours sometimes and I think it's fine
[17:56] <PaulStuff> SchrodingersScat & tmg4883: so basically I should not expect answers to "Hello everyone" and "I've a question...", etc.? is that correct?
[17:56] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: correct, you should just ask your question
[17:56] <Lehnux> Iced tea how did you found the package name ?
[17:56] <tgm4883> PaulStuff: also, you should use tab complete
[17:57] <tgm4883> !tab
[17:57] <PaulStuff> tgm4883: great, I just did!
[17:57] <PaulStuff> ubottu: thanks!
[17:57] <SchrodingersScat> PaulStuff: especially if "I've a question" doesn't contain details about the problem, what you've tried, what you expected, any logs that are applicable in a pastebin, etc.
[17:58] <PaulStuff> SchrodingersScat: oh no, I can be specific it's just that I didn't want to come accross as unpolite.
[17:58] <PaulStuff> !tab
[17:59] <PaulStuff> Ok then, thanks a lot SchrodingersScat, tgm4883 and Myrtti !
[18:00] <SchrodingersScat> PaulStuff: welcome, have fun
[18:05] <Shadowbird123> does amd closed drivers work better for latest games, then fglrx? i have [AMD/ATI] Cayman XT [Radeon HD 6970]
[18:06] <chrisan> I'm not sure what to call this/google for.. but I am trying out 16.04 on a new VPS and I noticed when I restart a service, like nginx, there is no longer any output.  Is there a way to add this back?
[18:06] <Shadowbird123> just installed ark: survival evolved and grapics are not very impressive with fglrx
[18:10] <tortib> how can I get USB devices working in a kvm?
[18:10] <tortib> I added the device and it's still not showing up in the guest os
[18:19] <velusuniverse> hello all, i have  vps on ubuntu, and i currently have apache and php on the server, if i want to send emails through smtp would i need to install something like postfix, even if im using an external smtp server ?
[18:20] <sergioad> Hello there
[18:20] <MonkeyDust> velusuniverse  sounds more for #ubuntu-server
[18:20] <ph88> i have packages  postgresql and postgresql-9.5  on ubuntu 16.04  .. which one should i install ?
[18:21] <genii> !info postgresql xenial
[18:21] <genii> ph88: The unversioned one
[18:21] <ph88> oki thx
[18:21] <sergioad> friends a little question
[18:22] <sergioad> could an XBOX one elite controller work on Ubuntu? or do you recommend me using another controler?
[18:24] <pwca> hi, I am trying to connect my Android cell phone as a storage device but when I plug the USB in it just recharges.
[18:24] <pwca> this worked a while ago and now randomly doesn't.
[18:25] <pwca> the cell phone is an HTC M8 and my OS is Ubuntu Gnome 15.10.
[18:25] <MonkeyDust> !phone | pwca
[18:26] <adrian_1908> pwca: you do set your phone into the right mode as before, yes?
[18:26] <pwca> adrian_1908: it doesn't ask me to go into storage mode, which is what it did when it worked.
[18:27] <pwca> I suspect this may be the core issue.
[18:27] <adrian_1908> pwca: hmm, strange. And you're plugging it into the same USB port each time?
[18:27] <pwca> yeah.
[18:28] <SchrodingersScat> !ssmtp | velusuniverse if you're passing it to an outside email server, does this work for you?
[18:28] <pwca> well, I tried all of them but I think the current one is the same USB as when it worked.
[18:28] <SchrodingersScat> !info ssmtp | velusuniverse if you're passing it to an outside email server, does this work for you?
[18:28] <adrian_1908> pwca: could be the phone instead of Ubuntu, hard to say. It never failed me, but I connect it infrequently.
[18:29] <pwca> I am suspecting it is the phone, but I can't know.
[18:30] <velusuniverse> SchrodingersScat, that dont make sense?
[18:30] <velusuniverse> and is you last bit of the name supose to be scat?
[18:30] <pwca> "Shitty Micro USB cable?"
[18:30] <pwca> huh, could be.
[18:31] <SchrodingersScat> velusuniverse: be-bop-skiddly-do. what part doesn't make sense? I meant external.
[18:31] <Josy> Hello, I'm looking for a light gui VPN manager (for my openbox installation). Anyone have an idea please ?
[18:31] <pwca> different USB cable works.
[18:32] <pwca> ok, thanks for the help.
[18:32] <adrian_1908> cool :)
[18:33] <CodeMouse92> Here's an odd one. I have an Ubuntu 16.04 system (Toshiba Satellite laptop, AMD using open source driver) ...
[18:33] <Ozpri> Hey Guys, is anyone here familiar with Lets Encrypt and certificates in general?
[18:33] <CodeMouse92> Back on 15.10, if I plugged in my external monitor, it would automatically update.
[18:33] <CodeMouse92> Ozpri: Try #letsencrypt
[18:33] <CodeMouse92> The actual developers are there :)
[18:34] <CodeMouse92> Anyhow, after updating to 16.04, when I plug/unplug an external monitor from my laptop, it won't automatically update the display configuration until I go to System Settings (literally just open the window), and THEN it automatically updates.
[18:34] <CodeMouse92> Is there a way to fix this?
[18:35] <Lehnux> IDK maybe GPU drivers ?
[18:35] <Ozpri> Does anyone know if the certificates stored as .pem files in /etc/letsencrypt/live are vaild on another server?
[18:35] <Lehnux> What's the output of lshw ?
[18:36] <Ozpri> the other servers are using different IP addresses which I'm thinking is a huge no no
[18:36] <CodeMouse92> Ozpri: While you may find an answer here, again, join the #letsencrypt channel for expert help
[18:36] <Lehnux> Certs are valid if signed for the server they are created
[18:37] <CodeMouse92> Lehnux: Did you want the complete infodump of sudo lshw in a paste?
[18:37] <Ozpri> hmmmm so if i have serveral different applications (Gitlab, Jira, mailinabox, etc) I would need to generate certs for each server/application and attach some how?
[18:37] <Lehnux> The parr about the GPU
[18:37] <Ozpri> do pem files work in place of /key and .crt?
[18:37] <CodeMouse92> (I'm getting the feeling that I'm being ignored by Ozpri)
[18:37] <Ozpri> what wait?
[18:38] <Ozpri> whats up codemouse?
[18:38] <Lehnux> Key are private or public key not certs
[18:38] <CodeMouse92> Third time: Join the #letsencrypt channel. Those are the actual developers of Let's Encrypt, and can all answer your questions in detail
[18:38] <Ozpri> kew kew tytytyty
[18:38] <CodeMouse92> People in here might *know* certs, but the folks in #letsencrypt are actual professional experts
[18:38] <Lehnux> CodeMouse92 is right
[18:38] <Ozpri> yep gonna hope over there now.
[18:39] <Lehnux> Quite hard sometimes
[18:40] <CodeMouse92> Lehnux: Oookay, so I'm not seeing GPU in my output from sudo lshw
[18:40] <Lehnux> CodeMouse92: I hoped there was a output about the GPU
[18:41] <Lehnux> I'm just reading some doc
[18:41] <CodeMouse92> Ah. No. From "About This Computer," though...
[18:41] <Lehnux> What did you got ?
[18:41] <snowrichard> hi
[18:41] <Lehnux> Hi
[18:41] <Lehnux> Any questions ⌚
[18:41] <Lehnux> *?
[18:41] <CodeMouse92> I'm running: "Gallium 0.4 on AMD SUMO"
[18:41] <CodeMouse92> "...with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics x4"
[18:42] <snowrichard>  there is a problem with using sdhc cards with large partitions.  it seems to be unable to mount tuj
[18:42] <Lehnux> Do you know if you use the open or the closed graphics driver ?
[18:43] <Lehnux> Maybe it's the issue
[18:43] <CodeMouse92> I definitely use the open. fglrx isn't available for Ubuntu 16.04
[18:43] <Lehnux> Define large partition ?
[18:43] <CodeMouse92> But, I switched to the open-source driver back on Ubuntu 15.10 BEFORE the upgrade, so I don't think it's *just* that.
[18:44] <Lehnux> Did it work on 15.10 ?
[18:44] <CodeMouse92> Yes, AFAIR
[18:44] <CodeMouse92> Also have another laptop around here with nearly identical specs on Ubuntu 16.04 that works just fine.
[18:44] <tortib> anyone have any suggestions as to why my usb device i added to my kvm windows guest os isn't showing up in the guest os?
[18:44] <__marc> guys, today i wanted to install ubuntu on another laptop... used dd to put it on a usb drive (like i always do). when i booted there was an error and it put me into a grub menu. could boot into live mode, but whilst trying to install there was a message about uefi... what happened there? any ideas?
[18:44] <Lehnux> Can you try to reproduce the issue on this laptop ?
[18:45] <CodeMouse92> Lehnux: Not if I want to live past tomorrow. (It belongs to my mother)
[18:45] <Lehnux> I'm looking in my collection of old pc if I can get something up and running
[18:46] <Lehnux> Give me the detailled soecs
[18:46] <Lehnux> Specs
[18:46] <CodeMouse92> Lehnux: Of mine? Sure...just a sec
[18:46] <Lehnux> Np
[18:46] <ron__> hello, do you have a new for linux-kernel-nofree in LTS 16.04 ?
[18:47] <haasn> “19:20 <akik> haasn: isn't nomodeset a solution for that?” I'm not getting a grub menu when I boot the u1604-full.iso (via PXE)
[18:47] <haasn> but that actually gives me a good idea
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> ron__  you can choose whather you want non-free software or not, during the installation
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> whether*
[18:48] <haasn> I have grub installed on a different device, I could enter the grub rescue shell and then boot from usb instead
[18:48] <haasn> with nomodeset
[18:48] <tgm4883> wow he's back
[18:48] <CodeMouse92> For one thing, it's a Toshiba Satellite Pro P745D-S4240. 8GB RAM internal (7.3 GB usable by system). AMD A6-3400M APU w/ Radeon(tm) HD Graphics x4. The graphics are actually integrated, but programmed to look like a separate card (that's a fairly common AMD stunt). 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, up-to-date.
[18:48] <CodeMouse92> Graphics: "Gallium 0.4 on AMD SUMO (DRM 2.43.0, LLVM 3.8.0)
[18:49] <Lehnux> Thanks
[18:49] <CodeMouse92> Lehnux: What else would you like to know?
[18:49] <Lehnux> I'm looking at my old pc
[18:49] <sergioad> so? could an XBOX one elite controller work with Ubuntu friends?
[18:49] <Lehnux> Just a few minutes
[18:49] <ron__> MonkeyDust, yes but linux-firmware-nonfree is not ready in 16.04 and the hibernation don't work :x
[18:49] <BluesKaj> hsa or change your boot device sequence to the drive that has grub
[18:49] <BluesKaj> haasn, ^
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> ron__  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[18:50] <tgm4883> sergioad: looks like it's been supported for a long time
[18:51] <haasn> BluesKaj: The machine can't boot from USB, it can only boot from PXE or drives. Luckily, I have grub installed on one of the drives, but it's not configured for the USB stick. I figure I can make it work from the grub rescue shell, though
[18:52] <haasn> (My other attempt would have been to PXE boot some sort of deboostrapped ubuntu 16.04 image that I can then ssh into, but bleh)
[18:52] <sergioad> and what about the controller's padles? tgm4883
[18:52] <ron__> MonkeyDust, I would like install the hibernation in my netbook :)
[18:53] <BluesKaj> why do you need the usb stick , haasn ?
[18:53] <haasn> BluesKaj: what else would I boot from, if not USB or PXE?
[18:54] <tgm4883> sergioad: You'd have to try it. Linux has built in support for the xbox one controller since 3.17
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> ron__  https://www.howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/xenial/hibernate
[18:54] <OerHeks> !isoboot
[18:55] <BluesKaj> grub on the drive that you put as first in the boot sequence ion your uefi/bios haasn
[18:55] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[18:55] <haasn> BluesKaj: I don't follow. You mean one of the drives that's in the system already?
[18:55] <sergioad> tgm4883 wich I should grab? An XBOX one gamepad a Wii U one or an elite one?
[18:56] <tgm4883> sergioad: wait, you don't even have a controller yet?
[18:56] <sergioad> I have 200 USD and I want to spend them wisely
[18:57] <sergioad> tgm4883: I have a generic Afterglow one but I want another one to play with my sister
[18:57] <Sitman5000> rich man
[18:57] <Sitman5000> go to womans
[18:57] <Sitman5000> sergioad they always make you happy
[18:57] <Sitman5000> lol
[18:57] <BluesKaj> hasanin,  yes of course, you said grub is installed on one of them
[18:57] <tgm4883> sergioad: Buy whichever one you like the best? I've got a few 360 controllers, a a PS4 controller, and just got a steam controller
[18:58] <tgm4883> !ot | Sitman5000
[18:59] <sergioad> tgm4883 puffff I wish a steam controller but it is not availiable for Mexico
[19:00] <kostrahb> Hi, does anyone know how to get Vulkan working under Ubuntu Xenial (with amd graphic card)? I have tried to install amdgpu pro driver (from amd's site) but it seems that it's not working on 16.04 yet
[19:01] <Lehnux> I'm sorry i don't have a PC that matchs yours
[19:02] <CodeMouse92> lehnux: Ah well, thanks anyway.
[19:02] <CodeMouse92> I've got a post sitting on the Ubuntu FOrums regarding it as well, so we'll see what happens.
[19:03] <sergioad> tgm4883 so? wich one do you think I should grab?
[19:04] <Lehnux> Okay
[19:04] <Lehnux> Keep me updated
[19:05] <tgm4883> sergioad: IDK, I've not used a xbox one controller except briefly
[19:05] <Josy> Hello, anyone know how I can use OpenVPN under openbox installation ? I use Wicd but I don't know how to use VPN with it.
[19:06] <BluesKaj> haasn, ,  yes of course, you said grub is installed on one of the drives, make it first in the boot sequence
[19:06] <sergioad> tgm4883 wich one had you used?
[19:06] <tgm4883> sergioad: I have most experience with the xbox 360 controller.
[19:06] <haasn> BluesKaj: that's what I plan on doing, but I still need to manually input the kernel parameters etc. from the rescue shell
[19:06] <yash>  /join #onetime
[19:08] <BluesKaj> hasanin,  why?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> haasn, why?
[19:10] <haasn> BluesKaj: well, how else would grub know how to boot the livecd?
[19:12] <MonkeyDust> haasn  you can add a .iso in a folder, i forget which, so you can boot a live session from grub
[19:12] <Lehnux> MouseCode92: Did you find anything ?
[19:12] <haasn> MonkeyDust: I already have the livecd on a USB stick, and grub can find it. I assume this way would be easier, too, since I get control over the exact kernel parameters I'm passing when loading it
[19:13] <Lehnux> I got some similar issues but couldn't solve it except by giving more RAM to the PC
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> Lehnux  so the solution was adding more RAM
[19:15] <Lehnux> Yes
[19:16] <etzerd> hello all
[19:17] <etzerd> I'm using the latest beta Ubuntu Mate 16.10 but the menu file is freezing a lot\
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> etzerd  16.10 isnt in beta yet
[19:19] <OerHeks> etzerd, join #ubuntu+1 for support, until release
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> etzerd  beta in august https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[19:19] <etzerd> MonkeyDust: I'm using it now as we speak. This is the only version that works great with my new Acer Aspire V17 Nitro
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> etzerd  type this for 16.10 support ... /j #ubuntu+1
[19:21] <etzerd> thanks
[19:32] <Oneriwien> I'm in a bit of a pickle with a flash drive
[19:32] <Oneriwien> overwrote the firmware or something, now I can't format it even though it's in the Disks utility
[19:32] <aidrocsid> So I'm trying to get FTP working as per this: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/ftp-server.html
[19:32] <Oneriwien> dev/sdc1
[19:33] <aidrocsid> unfortunately when I sudo restart vsftpd it says "sudo: restart: command not found"
[19:34] <Lehnux> Sudo service restart vsftpd
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> aidrocsid  try vsftp restart
[19:34] <aidrocsid> restart: unrecognized service
[19:34] <ioria> Oneriwien, try with gparted, recreate the PT
[19:34] <Bashing-om> aid ' sudo service vsftpd restart ' ??  Why is it doing this?
[19:50] <GordonGekko> hi
[19:51] <k1l> awesomess3: its not loading libraries. its loading the recent packages lists from the repo servers. and please mind your language in here, thanks
[19:51] <GordonGekko> can you tell me the command to remove a link after i used this command:  "update-rc.d znc defaults"
[19:51] <GordonGekko> please
[19:52] <GordonGekko> is it update-rc.d znc remove ?
[19:52] <tortib> sysemctl
[19:52] <tortib> is what you use now since you're using systemd
[19:53] <GordonGekko> tortib , i'm working on znc, and i followed this part to autostart it (im running ubuntu 16):  http://wiki.znc.in/Systemd#Get_the_daemon_up_and_running
[19:54] <tortib> GordonGekko, pretty sure it's systemctl remove znc
[19:55] <tortib> no it isn't remove one second
[19:55] <GordonGekko> it's ok i found
[19:55] <tortib> what is it?
[19:55] <GordonGekko> it's update-rc.d  znc remove
[19:55] <tortib> ok
[19:55] <tortib> thought you could do that with systemctl as well but I guess not
[19:55] <GordonGekko> not sure if i'm correct though
[19:55] <akik> stop to stop, disable to disable
[19:55] <tortib> systemctl disable znc ?
[19:55] <GordonGekko> should i do this http://wiki.znc.in/Systemd#Get_the_daemon_up_and_running or THIS: http://wiki.znc.in/Systemd#systemd
[19:56] <akik> tortib: yes
[19:56] <awesomess3> why is `sudo apt-get update' need to download so much? the download is HUGE.
[19:56] <tortib> awesomess3, i think it would depend on the last time it was updated no/
[19:57] <awesomess3> tortib, well it's the first time. I'm using a liveUSB.
[19:57] <ihatemyisp> GordonGekko: how did you install znc+
[19:57] <k1l> awesomess3: because the live cd is on an old state of all packages.
[19:58] <ihatemyisp> awesomess3: because the image you are using is ancient compared to the repos
[19:58] <OerHeks> updating a live usb .. you will need lots f system memory to keep it all.
[19:59] <akik> GordonGekko: ubuntu 16.04 uses systemd. update-rc.d is modifying links for sysv init system which was used before ubuntu 15.04
[19:59] <tortib> how can I change my sound from pulseaudio to alsa?
 GordonGekko: how did you install znc+ <-i've installed using apt-get install znc
[20:00] <k1l> tortib: are you sure you want to do that?
[20:00] <GordonGekko> ihatemyisp , what's znc+?
[20:00] <tortib> k1l, well i'm getting intermittent audio in a virtual machine using virtual box
[20:00] <tortib> and someone suggested to use alsa or oss
[20:00] <tortib> so i need to at least try to see if helps
[20:00] <GordonGekko> akik , ok so it's the lastest link i should follow.
[20:01] <akik> GordonGekko: yes, systemd
[20:01] <k1l> tortib: uhh, the good old OSS and alsa days where sound really was a pain :/
[20:01] <tortib> k1l, https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=5816
[20:01] <ihatemyisp> GordonGekko: then you should already have a .service
[20:01] <GordonGekko> akik , also i'm running my daemon as specific user which i've created and called 'znc-admin'
[20:01] <k1l> tortib: well, that is from 2008. that is what i call the good old days of oss and alsa, where everything was a pain.
[20:01] <akik> ihatemyisp: not all apps are pre-packaged
[20:02] <tortib> k1l, how can i switch to alsa just to test this
[20:02] <Oneriwien> omg tortib
[20:02] <tortib> huh?
[20:02] <Oneriwien> I remember you from ###Sanctuary
[20:02] <akik> although znc/xenial 1.6.3-1 amd64 exists
[20:02] <tortib> oh I don't remember you, should I?
[20:02] <Oneriwien> I'm x26
[20:02] <ihatemyisp> tortib: 2008....
[20:02] <Oneriwien> x2f
[20:03] <tortib> hahaha
[20:03] <tortib> you
[20:03] <tortib> hahah
[20:03] <ihatemyisp> tortib: why do you think it is still relevant?
[20:03] <tortib> ihatemyisp, beacuse I'm having that exact same issue?
[20:03] <Oneriwien> how do I make a bootable flash drive from a .flp or .bin
[20:04] <k1l> Oneriwien: what is on that images? are you sure its bootable for a live system?
[20:04] <ihatemyisp> tortib: it is highly unlikely to the the same cause
[20:04] <Oneriwien> k1l, it's a bootloader
[20:04] <tortib> ihatemyisp, ALRIGHT
 GordonGekko: then you should already have a .service <-i dont have the service, so i guess i told you a bullshit, maybe i've compiled it from scratch, i dont remember
[20:04] <tortib> do you have any other suggestions then?
[20:04] <ihatemyisp> tortib: unless you are actualy running a gnu/linux install and vbox from 2008
[20:04] <tortib> which i'm not...
[20:05] <ihatemyisp> tortib: what are you actually trying to do? usb passtrough of the audio device?
[20:06] <ihatemyisp> or do you just want to hear sound from the guest on the usb device and don't care how it gets there?
[20:07] <tortib> ihatemyisp, yeah i have a usb audio device
[20:07] <GordonGekko> if i want to run my daemon with a specific user with systemd, i should this file?  ~/.config/systemd/user/znc.service ?
[20:07] <GordonGekko> if i want to run my daemon with a specific user with systemd, i should add this file?  ~/.config/systemd/user/znc.service ?
[20:08] <GordonGekko> logged as that specific user
[20:11] <akik> GordonGekko: that path is mentioned in the guide you pasted
[20:11] <GordonGekko> akik , it's the right path then
[20:12] <GordonGekko> i though i should replace user by my user name
[20:12] <nktt> hi
[20:12] <ericrajuin> Hi all I got a question: do I need to install the missing dependencies when building from source? Can I just download and extract them, put in a directory and somehow make the coufigure script to be able to find them ?
[20:13] <nktt> yes
[20:14] <ANDAY101> does anyone here know how to uninstall unbuntu from windows, so that i can reinstall it.  i messed some stuff up lol
[20:14] <nktt> with windows delete all
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> ANDAY101  how did you install it?
[20:15] <ANDAY101> i keep having grub open when i boot my comp
[20:15] <ANDAY101> i installed it with a usb
[20:15] <ANDAY101> duel boot
[20:15] <SpeccyMan> dual lol
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> ANDAY101  ok, then boot from usb again, use gparted to delete the ubuntu partition
[20:15] <GordonGekko> ihatemyisp , you were right sorry i'm quite tired, i confuses the command, there was already a znc service: http://pastebin.com/QLP5CxSh
[20:15] <nktt> terminal - sudo - grub -remove
[20:16] <fuze> should netflix work in chromium by default on ubuntu 16.04?
[20:16] <nktt> then autoremove
[20:16] <ANDAY101> i deleted the partition already
[20:16] <nktt> and evriting is gone
[20:16] <tortib> ihatemyisp, well?
[20:16] <tortib> any suggestions?
[20:17] <ANDAY101> i wiped the usb, and tried using windows recovery, but that wont work either
[20:17] <ANDAY101> is there a command i am supposed to put into grub when it opens?
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> ANDAY101  you can use Yumi or so, to create a new usb boot stick
[20:18] <ANDAY101> so create a new unbuntu boot stick, i used rufus bfore
[20:18] <GordonGekko> with systemd and older, the autostart script are still in into /etc/init.d/ ?
[20:20] <ihatemyisp> GordonGekko: use a sane pastebn please
[20:21] <GordonGekko> yup, oops
[20:21] <ihatemyisp> GordonGekko: and don't use init.d/, it is a silly distro invented compability layer which does more harm than good
[20:21] <GordonGekko> forgot about ubuntu pastebin
[20:21] <ihatemyisp> GordonGekko: bpaste, gist, ptpb are vastly superiour
[20:24] <gnikc2> Hello. I have noticed that in comparison with my debian-jessie machines, ubuntu 14.04 LTS ones seem to receive few or no updates. Is it still supported, and if yes, why have I not received recent kernel updates, given it's the same generation/version?
[20:24] <gnikc2> (Those being security updates.
[20:24] <ihatemyisp> gnikc2: it is still supported but it is recommended to ugrade to 16.04
[20:25] <gnikc2> Would I need to reinstall completely or is it possible to upgrade without problems?
[20:25] <GordonGekko> how can i properly remove the existing systemd item for znc?
[20:25] <GordonGekko> i think it's corrupted
[20:26] <gnikc2> sudo systemctl znc disable?
[20:32]  * mmaheu
[20:33] <Jakey3> how do i create folders while i unzip files in terminal
[20:34] <gnikc2> What are you using to unzip?
[20:34] <Jakey3> unzip
[20:35] <gnikc2> Does the '-d <dir>' flag allow automatic creation of directories?
[20:36] <gnikc2> Answer: Yes, as of version 6.0, I just tested.
[20:37] <gnikc2> It only does it on the directly available path though, it does not do anything like 'mkdir -p one/two/three'.
[20:37] <GordonGekko> https://bpaste.net/show/1e2a0d2fb08d
[20:37] <GordonGekko> what's wrong?
[20:38] <GordonGekko> i'm lost
[20:38] <__raven> hi
[20:38] <k1l> GordonGekko: how did you install the znc?
[20:38] <Jakey3> gnikc2, ok thanks for the info
[20:38] <GordonGekko> k1l , apt-get install znc
[20:38] <__raven> how to increase secure ftp (sshfs/sftp) speed on ~600ms rtt?
[20:39] <GordonGekko> i fucked up the systemd entry
[20:39] <k1l> GordonGekko: did you change the configfile?
[20:39] <gnikc2> Is znc still installed?
[20:39] <GordonGekko> gnikc2 yes it's still installed and config is done
[20:39] <GordonGekko> just that it's not auto running
[20:39] <k1l> GordonGekko: juil. 04 20:32:09 odroid64 znc[11966]: chown: invalid user: ‘znc:znc’
[20:40] <GordonGekko> i've created a user to run it (because you cant run it as root anywa), called znc-admin
[20:40] <k1l> GordonGekko: so either you did change the config the wrong way to run as user znc or the package got a bug
[20:41] <GordonGekko> i did the wrong
[20:41] <Jakey3> gnikc2, i still need to create the directory though
[20:41] <Jakey3> with mkdir?
[20:41] <GordonGekko> where is located this znc:znc ?
[20:41] <k1l> GordonGekko: in short: its trying to run znc as user zns which is not present on your system
[20:41] <gnikc2> https://serverfault.com/questions/606520/how-to-remove-missing-systemd-units This may be relevant
[20:41] <GordonGekko> k1l , yes the user i want to run as is called 'znc-admin"
[20:42] <GordonGekko> but i dont know which file should i edit?
[20:42] <k1l> GordonGekko: i dont know about the standard setup of znc. so did you change that?
[20:42] <gnikc2> More detailed info :  https://superuser.com/questions/513159/how-to-remove-systemd-services
[20:42] <GordonGekko> GordonGekko , it's not into systemd files?
[20:43] <GordonGekko> k1l , i did all the znc config
[20:43] <GordonGekko> znc.conf
[20:43] <k1l> GordonGekko: so again: what did you change so it doesnt find the user znc. because i guess the original ubuntu package install should have solved this issue
[20:44] <GordonGekko> k1l i dont have a clue
[20:44] <GordonGekko> i dont know at all
[20:44] <GordonGekko> i just edited znc.conf
[20:44] <GordonGekko> maybe i fucked up into /etc/init.d
[20:44] <Jakey3> how to pipe into a file removing the .zip
[20:45] <Jakey3> e.g: ls > foo
[20:45] <k1l> GordonGekko: i dont know what you all changed.
[20:45] <GordonGekko> k1l , there's no znc user
[20:45] <Jakey3> the ls file contain .zip but i dont want to pipe the .zip
[20:45] <Jakey3> part of the file name
[20:47] <goudkov> what's the difference in nautilus (on 12.04 if that matters) between connecting to a "location" as ssh:// vs sftp:// ? do both of the use sshfs or does one really use sftp?
[20:50] <Jakey3> i found the answer
[20:50] <Jakey3> ls -1 | sed -e 's/\..*$//'
[20:50] <Jakey3> can someone explain how this works
[21:00] <Oneriwien> How do I connect to NSA320 http://i.imgur.com/lkkwtoN.png
[21:00] <Oneriwien> it doesn't show up in nautilus
[21:00] <Oneriwien> that's the result of smbtree
[21:05] <Ales> WHY can't i see openvpn panel when configure vpn connections
[21:05] <Ales> i installed openvpn + gnome
[21:07] <arctik> hi, I use a amd h5450 and since ubuntu 16.04, there is no amd Driver, so I use open source version, but I have very poor video performance, is ther a solution?
[21:07] <arctik> perhapse someone here use this card too?
[21:09] <x-fak> k1l , i found that the chown command is coming from /etc/init.d/znc
[21:09] <x-fak> i've edited the user and group lines
[21:09] <x-fak> now i got this:  https://bpaste.net/show/25ef14bea0d3
[21:24] <leminsc8> i need help join german channel for uuntu mate
[21:25] <leminsc8> need help by installation with two systems (mate and windows)
[21:27] <dax> leminsc8: #ubuntu-de
[21:34] <ubuntu76> enjoying my new magazine of ubuntu user I bought yesterday.
[21:44] <seb_lap> d
[21:45] <seb_lap> hi
[21:50] <SchrodingersScat> seb_lap: howdy
[21:51] <seb_lap> doing fine SchrodingersScat what about you
[21:51] <SchrodingersScat> seb_lap: did you have a ubuntu question?
[21:52] <seb_lap> im trying to make my touchpad support multitouch
[21:55] <seb_lap> but i cant install the focaltech dkms
[21:55] <seb_lap> nevermind
[22:05] <the_newbie> hey
[22:05] <Guy1524> hello, for some reason on my ubuntu install, even though FPS for source games are very high, the picture is not smooth at all, its the worst w/o vsync on and is a bit better w/ it on, but nothing near what it is like in windows
[22:05] <Guy1524> I am using intel hd 4600 graphics
[22:05] <the_newbie> hey , i'm getting blank notifications on elementary desktop
[22:06] <ilken> http://imgur.com/a/wCGXM
[22:06] <the_newbie> can anyone suggest me somethong how can i solve it
[22:08] <tgm4883> !elementary | the_newbie
[22:09] <the_newbie> tggm4883 : thanx
[22:09] <tgm4883> ilken: off topic
[22:12] <ilken> the_newbie: I used a Ubuntu computer to post those
[22:12] <ilken> so on topic
[22:12] <dax> except the topic is ubuntu support, so no
[22:12] <k1l> ilken: this channel is technical support only. thanks
[22:13] <the_newbie> hey i am new to irc channels , using them for the first time
[22:13] <the_newbie> so i don't know where to post
[22:13] <lucaslopes> como deixa ubuntu mais level
[22:13] <ilken> the_newbie just use /amsg <text>
[22:13] <tgm4883> the_newbie: he misdirected that at you
[22:14] <the_newbie> so please tell me how can i connect to elementaryos group
[22:15] <SchrodingersScat> the_newbie: try /join #elementary
[22:15] <k1l> the_newbie: "/join #elementary"
[22:15] <the_newbie> ok
[22:16] <the_newbie> ya i've been directed to a different page
[22:16] <the_newbie> i'll try posting my query there
[22:19] <Keyboard_> Hi
[22:20] <ddybing> Hi, Keyboard
[22:20] <Keyboard_> http://pastie.org/10898890
[22:21] <Keyboard_> ddybing: any help^
[22:21] <the_newbie_> can anyone tell me some useful apps for ubuntu ???
[22:21] <ddybing> Keyboard: Sorry - that's not my field!
[22:21] <ddybing> the_newbie: What type of work do you do on your computer?
[22:22] <Keyboard_> ok
[22:22] <the_newbie_> basically i do programmiing mostly
[22:23] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> where there are many times when an unwanted window pops from behind the one which I'm trying to maximize? it seems like there is a gap between the front window and ubuntu unity global menu!
[22:23] <ddybing> the_newbie: Well, personally, I love the Atom editor! It's exceptional for any kind of programming language, as well as editing configuration files. It also has a variety of plugins, and is fully customizable as it is built on technologies like CSS and Javascript
[22:24] <the_newbie_> I'm also using atom editor and i too love it
[22:24] <ddybing> the_newbie: Awesome!
[22:25] <the_newbie_> ddybing : i've just installed elementarty os and suffering a problem
[22:25] <the_newbie_> where can i get an answer to that
[22:26] <tgm4883> the_newbie_: you were already directed at the elementary chat
[22:26] <the_newbie_> ya but no one is active there
[22:26] <ddybing> the_newbie: That's unfortunate! I would go over to the Elementary OS forum at https://elementaryforums.com. Alternatively you can join the channel #elementaryos
[22:26] <tgm4883> the_newbie_: all the more reason to use a more supported distro such as Ubuntu
[22:28] <SchrodingersScat> Keyboard_: can't say much about your software thinking there's another copy open, but pretty sure those two processes aren't truecrypt
[22:28] <SchrodingersScat> Keyboard_: also, killall kills by name
[22:29] <Keyboard_> SchrodingersScat:  $ sudo killall truecrypt truecrypt: no process found
[22:30] <ddybing> the_newbie_: Well, here in Europe it is in the middle of the night, so I suppose most people are asleep ;-)
[22:30] <SchrodingersScat> Keyboard_: so far only truecrypt seems to think truecrypt is running, have you tried asking them for support?
[22:31] <Keyboard_> SchrodingersScat:  no one answers there. I cant trace which process is it that says truecrype is running
[22:31] <Keyboard_> SchrodingersScat:  actually, which is the truecrypt one
[22:32] <tgm4883> wait, people trust truecrypt again?
[22:32] <SchrodingersScat> tgm4883: no
[22:32] <tgm4883> ah ok
[22:32] <tgm4883> I was worried for a minute
[22:32] <ddybing> I'm calling it a day. Good bye, everyone.
[22:33] <SchrodingersScat> tgm4883: I assume it's like how some people still run BBS just for kicks
[22:33] <tgm4883> SchrodingersScat: Keyboard_ so a quick google search suggests deleting the lock file, has that been tried yet?
[22:33] <tgm4883> it should be at ~/.truecrypt_lock
[22:34] <SchrodingersScat> that should really be a lock directory to avoid race conditions
[22:35] <tgm4883> SchrodingersScat: well it should really be checking running processes instead of a lock file, but we're talking about a program that is no longer updated...
[22:35] <mountaga> hello
[22:36] <mountaga> thanks
[22:36] <SchrodingersScat> hello
[22:36] <adastra> ei
[22:37] <adastra> if it's not much axing, I will ax a question
[22:37] <daumie> hello fam...anyone using sublime text?
[22:37] <daumie> I need help configuring this package https://packagecontrol.io/packages/Clipboard%20Manager                            │ Ameo
[22:37] <daumie> 01:33 daumie | How do I set clipboard Manager to receive the copy and cut commands
[22:38] <Bashing-om> !ask | adastra
[22:39] <k1l> daumie: i guess best is to ask the sublime guys about their softwrae
[22:39] <WhiteNight> !patience
[22:39] <daumie> k1l: The question lies more on this side than on #sublimetext channel
[22:40] <Keyboard_> tgm4883:  ok
[22:40] <WhiteNight> While Thunderbird is an amazing email client, the issue I face is outgoing emails have bizzare and ugly font settings, and I need to change it all the time. I tried and couldn't make it consistent/default. Please advise, thanks ...
[22:41] <daumie> Rephrasing the question....How can I assign a variable to receive copy, cut and paste commands?
[22:41] <daumie> daumie: copy and paste i mean
[22:43] <SchrodingersScat> !info xclip | daumie
[22:45] <crypticGator>  how do you fix your screen resolution. It says unknown display and it is 1024x768 on a 4k samsung
[22:45] <crypticGator> I'm using nouveau I guess
[22:48] <k1l> crypticGator: any adapters involved in connecting that screen?
[22:49] <bhuv> how to copy files to linux directories
[22:49] <k1l> bhuv: from another OS?
[22:49] <bhuv> no from downloads
[22:50] <bhuv> i am on linux mint
[22:50] <bhuv> @kll
[22:50] <k1l> !mint | bhuv
[22:50] <k1l> the irc programs on mint should connect directly to their support chat.
[22:51] <al2o3-cr> bhuv: i'd just ask in ##linux on here
[22:51] <crypticGator> kil, no. No adaptors. USB 2.0 from GTX960 card
[22:52] <bhuv> the commands r same rnt they?
[22:52] <k1l> crypticGator: usb connection? i guess you need the prop. nvidia drivers for that. (if that supports 4k at all)
[22:53] <k1l> bhuv: ask in ##linux for general linux help then. dont misuse this ubuntu support channel for mint support.
[22:53] <bhuv> ok
[22:54] <leminsc8> j#ubuntu-mate
[22:55] <crypticGator> HDMI*
[22:55] <crypticGator> sorry
[22:56] <crypticGator> I'm going to go with proprietory drivers for now. I'll try wayland some other time
[22:57] <Bashing-om> crypticGator: What release are you running ? http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/104284/en-us . Nvidia recommeneds the 367 version driver . In 16.04 is available in our trusted PPA .
[22:59] <crypticGator> I didnt' use any Nvidia drivers yet. I'm using nouveu
[23:09] <crypticGator> in the Nouveau Chat they asked me to ask you guys about a firmware load error
[23:09] <crypticGator> "Direct firmware load for nvidia/gm206/gr/sw_nonctx.bin failed with error -2"
[23:11] <gmh> Anyone that know how to use input_word_2 and input_word_3 in a bash alias?
[23:11] <gmh> Example: gpg --symmetric < unencrypted_file > encrypted_file
[23:12] <gmh> Example: encrypt unencrypted_file encrypted_file
[23:14] <b-yeezi> gmh I usually just write a bash script to do this and store it in my ~/bin folder
[23:15] <gmh> I don't know how to write a bash script -_- (noob incoming). I thought maybe I could use the alias='' function somehow.
[23:15] <b-yeezi> name the file encrypt
[23:15] <b-yeezi> then in the file, do:
[23:16] <b-yeezi> #!/bin/bash
[23:16] <b-yeezi> gpg --symmetric < $1 > $2
[23:17] <b-yeezi> after you save the file, do chmod u+x encrypt
[23:17] <gmh> b-yeezi: Who knew bash scripting could be so simple :)
[23:18] <gmh> b-yeezi: Thanks m8 :)
[23:18] <b-yeezi> no problem. I have a dozen files like that in my /bin folder
[23:19] <b-yeezi> Then another dozen in my aliases/functions
[23:20] <dg87> is there a way to easily transfer music to and from ubuntu and an iPod?
[23:21] <b-yeezi> dg87 if the files are not in iTunes, it's pretty easy using Banshee
[23:22] <dg87> b-yeezi, will Clementine work?
[23:22] <b-yeezi> Just enable the iPod plugin in preferences. I have done this with an old nano (2009). I don't know about Clementine.
[23:22] <b-yeezi> I think there is a plugin for that too.
[23:27] <dg87> b-yeezi, i'm gonna try out and install banshee
[23:27] <b-yeezi> OK. It's not as pretty as clementine, but has some nice features.
[23:27] <dg87> i thought banshee was discontinued tho
[23:28] <b-yeezi> Maybe now new development, but it still works
[23:59] <ravness> hi