[00:52] <sagaci> hmmm, probably a good decision to drop kubuntu as an official distro
[02:29] <blahdeblah> For Linux Australia members: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2012-February/019398.html
[02:30] <blahdeblah> BTW Linux Australia membership is free
[07:42] <head_victim> sagaci_: it's no less official than xubuntu/lubuntu/studio it's just they aren't commercially supporting it anymore.
[07:46] <elky> well, that and it doesn't have a dedicated paid developer anymore
[07:49] <head_victim> Yeah sorry, that's what I meant about the commercial support
[07:50] <head_victim> Makes sense to pick your focus if it's not working out to the desired goals
[07:51] <head_victim> I honestly didn't even know they paid someone to support the KDE side of things until it was said it's not going to anymore
[07:53] <elky> there was more than riddell at one point iirc
[07:53] <elky> so, this has been coming for a while now
[08:02] <sagaci_> head_victim, wasn't sure how to word being deflated from Official-Canonical to official-community-recognised
[08:21] <head_victim> Pure gold - http://pthree.org/?p=2199
[11:17] <nicksydney> hello all
[11:17] <nicksydney> first timer in the channel here :)
[11:17] <nicksydney> just found the site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
[11:20] <sagaci> hi Nick
[12:12] <head_victim> nicksydney: welcome :)


[04:20] <linocisco> Hello all . Everytime, I login to ubuntu mate, I got "report problem and Cancel" box. Upon checking out google and forums. it is mentioned to check apport.log under /var/log
[04:21] <linocisco> here is the output of apport.log . https://pastebin.com/0Zw3MFsV
[04:23] <linocisco> I have tried apt-get autoremove to remove some junks or uninstalled programs
[04:23] <linocisco> problem still remains
[05:21] <alkisg> linocisco: try sudo rm /var/crash/*, then reboot
[05:21] <alkisg> Sometimes mate-panel etc crash, then you see the dialog until you either delete the crash dump, or you select "ignore crashes from this app"
[05:22] <linocisco> alkisg, thanks. mate. I will give a try
[05:37] <linocisco> alkisg, it worked really ! it fixed. thanks alot
[05:38] <alkisg> linocisco: remember the command, you may need it again in a few weeks! Cheers!
[05:38] <linocisco> alkisg, why it will crash again and again?
[05:39] <alkisg> Yeah some mate apps crash from time to time unfortunately
[05:39] <alkisg> Although e.g. kde apps crash a lot more! :D
[05:39] <alkisg> (I don't know about gnome I can't use that)
[05:41] <linocisco> alkisg, it means ubuntu mate is not reliable or stable like original ubuntu ?
[05:41] <linocisco> alkisg, thanks. I will remember that command for later use
[05:42] <alkisg> No. I'm using ubuntu-mate for my main desktop
[05:42] <alkisg> I mean that "all software has bugs in general" :)
[07:41]  * enyc meows
[07:41] <enyc> curious how much ubuntu-MATE is used over mint-MATE these days...  is MATE a declining DE anyhow...?
[09:43] <alkisg> I've no idea, but I guess anyone familiar with debian policy (developers etc) avoid mint because it severely breaks it, so they'd use vanilla ubuntu or debian over mint
[09:44] <alkisg> GNOME still has more resources than many people have, so other DEs will be valuable for a long time
[09:44] <alkisg> MATE used to be very light, unfortunately it's becoming a bit more bloated with Canonical enforcing snap. We'll see how it goes, maybe a switch to Debian with MATE or KDE will be needed...
[09:45] <alkisg> *GNOME still needs, not has
[11:35] <guiverc> alkisg, MATE became 'heavy' (slowish) by 16.04 in my opinion (as a mate user using pentium M laptops); GTK3 & not the snaps in my experience being the issue for me at least (using less-ancient cpus the drop in speed far less severe)
[12:07] <sixwheeledbeast> It is struggling on older hardware since 18.04 even with snap removed
[12:15] <sixwheeledbeast> just because something in the mate-panel crashes that doesn't make the whole system unstable.
[13:49] <superkuh> Yes. GTK3 became GNOME-ified and bad after 2013.
[13:50] <superkuh> mclasen started intentionally removing features like the ability to paste file paths into file->open dialogs.
 "mclasen started intentionally..." <- this is still possible, isn't it?
[15:26] <superkuh> Only after doing a keyboard shortcut.
[15:26] <superkuh> It will error if you just try to paste or send the path in an automated way as sometimes happens.
[15:28] <superkuh> And the gsettings available for LOCATION_MODE_FILENAME_ENTRY vs LOCATION_MODE_PATH_BAR for gtkfilechooserwidget.c are no longer respected.


[09:03] <dpm> morning all
[09:03] <andrejz> morning
[09:04] <dpm> hey andrejz :)
[15:18] <happyaron> dpm_: hi
[15:20] <dpm_> hey happyaron
[15:20] <happyaron> dpm_: does u-t-cs still can upload translations for a source tarball? (I know not now, just ask for when launchpad is running in correctly)?
[15:21] <happyaron> I have made a small fix for libreoffice's desktop file and plan to upload it soon when launchpad accept uploads again if the maintainer doesn't have the plan to make a new version very soon.
[15:21] <dpm_> happyaron, I'm not 100% sure to be honest. It might be that only members of the rosetta-admin team (and project maintainers, of course) can do it. In any case, you can try it safely on translations.staging.launchpad.net
[15:22] <dpm_> so you can see if it works or not
[15:22] <dpm_> happyaron, but does the fix not need to be in a patch to work?
[15:22] <happyaron> dpm_: I cannot find a url to do that
[15:23] <happyaron> dpm_: yes I'll help on the package, but the pot is a new one, and the maintainer said it still need some work on rosetta.
[15:24] <dpm_> let me give you the url
[15:25] <dpm_> just a sec, LP is being slow...
[15:25] <happyaron> no worries, :)
[15:25] <dpm_> so you see it's not only a problem in China ;)
[15:27] <happyaron> :D perhaps people in some contries can have a faster speed, like in the UK?
[15:28] <dpm_> I'm sure it's flying in the Canonical office in London! :)
[15:28] <happyaron> :)
[15:29]  * happyaron someone might need to ping Mark and ask him to buy some cdn network service...
[15:30] <dpm_> happyaron, ah, I know what's happening. You cannot do first-time template uploads by hand. The first time a template is created, it needs to be done through a package upload. After that, templates and translations for the whole source package can be uploaded manually. I see someone has accepted the lo-desktop template already, but unfortunately the upload failed, which is why we cannot do manual uploads yet: no template has yet been imported at a
[15:30] <dpm_> ll
[15:30] <dpm_> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/libreoffice/+imports
[15:31] <happyaron> dpm_: ah, see, so we have to wait the maintainer to make a new upload
[15:31] <dpm_> yeah :(
[15:33] <dpm_> happyaron, I saw the bug, and I think to be able to make translations work in the .desktop files, they'll need to be modified to include the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain field, i.e. approving the template will not be enough
[15:33] <dpm_> but I haven't looked at it with detail yet
[15:35] <happyaron> there's another question, will we accept those translations to langpacks or not? I saw the initial import of lo-desktop has checked that field, I've no idea who did that.
[15:36] <dpm_> I think I'd put them in language packs, this way we won't depend on the package maintainer to integrate translations into the package, and they can be updated with langpack updates
[15:36] <happyaron> OK


[11:41] <takuhii> green_earz, I got <IP_ADDRESS> as the ip and the mask is <IP_ADDRESS>. I know this to be a return to sender addy, should this information have anything about my network card? cause I don't see any mention of netgear or anything
[11:41] <mipstien> I am having trouble gettin nvidia-glx uninstalled, if i use apt-get i get these errors, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25345/ , if i use aptitude i get these errors, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25348/
[11:42] <leshaste> I was wondering.. can any kind soul confirm http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134898 for me please?
[11:42] <takuhii> it only lists lo, no eth0 as well
[11:42] <Sktfeelsdapper> mkm, so it's easy to learn?
[11:42] <Coir> How do I enable widescreen resolutions in Ubuntu?
[11:42] <bleech> how can i install gcc 4.1.1 on dapper?  would it be easier to upgrade to edgy eft?
[11:42] <crazy_penguin> LjL: here?
[11:43] <LjL> crazy_penguin: yes
[11:43] <green_earz> takuhii:  so it look like the driver for the pci ethernet card is not installed.  do a lscpi -v  for the info of what the ether card is
[11:43] <LjL> bleech: you can probably install it through other means, but i wouldn't recommend it, nor would i know where exactly to start
[11:43] <leshaste> it's the second attachment that is important
[11:44] <omegacat> GhostFreeman i think it is Broadcom 4306
[11:44] <crazy_penguin> LjL: i was forced to stop dpkg because i didn't look when i installed a package and dpkg was on the point to unsinstall the kubuntu-desktop package and everything with it. so ...
[11:44] <omegacat> i have an emachines m6810
[11:44] <cens0red|wtmf`> my irc client is freaking out... :|
[11:44] <Alakazam_> have you asked it to stop.
[11:44] <Alakazam_> ?
[11:44] <crazy_penguin> LjL: i found the flag/command needed to stop dpkg
[11:44] <cens0red|wtmf`> no.  i slapped it.
[11:44] <takuhii> lscpi -v dosn't work
[11:45] <takuhii> command not found
[11:45] <LjL> crazy_penguin: oh, and that is?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> bleech: although its not advised to install it on dapper it doesnt seem it will be too much trouble. it doesnt depend on libc6 but it recommended libc6-dev
[11:45] <crazy_penguin> the hold command
[11:45] <gnomefreak> bleech: packages.ubuntu.com  look for it in the edgy section but beware its not safe to do it
[11:46] <LjL> crazy_penguin: uhm, i'm not sure what you mean... dpkg --hold? or something?
[11:46] <crazy_penguin> no
[11:46] <gnomefreak> bleech: nothing on dapper was compiled with gcc 4.1.1 so you might have issues if you go to build something
[11:47] <green_earz> takuhii: sorry its  :   lspci -v
[11:47] <omegacat> and my mouse, i am confused. i looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-249063.html but my xorg.conf doesn't look like that.
[11:47] <Sktfeelsdapper> what are really good p2p things for ubuntu that are like soulseek?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> Sktfeelsdapper: limewire amule frostwire
[11:47] <takuhii> k hold on that dumped a huge ammt of shit to my prompt
[11:47] <mipstien> sktfeelsdapper, gtk-gnutella
[11:48] <skaos> mipstien: have you tried 'dpkg -r --force-all nvidia-glx'
[11:48] <green_earz> takuhii: look for " Ethernet controller "
[11:48] <Sktfeelsdapper> I have bittorrent on here, but I can't get alot of albums and don't know of many bittorrent sites.
[11:48] <Sktfeelsdapper> And Nicotine has been a giant failure to me.
[11:48] <mipstien> skaos i have not but i am in the aptitude gui right now and it says its repairing the broken package, if this doesn' towrk i will try that
[11:48] <Renan_s2> Sktfeelsdapper, Nicotine works OK here
[11:48] <gnomefreak> takuhii: please watch your language this is a family rated channel
[11:48] <Otacon22> I had installed Xgl but after install i have finded a grafic problem witch vlc, you can see it here: http://iamartino.altervista.org/Schermata.png
[11:48] <senior> Hi guys - does anyone know where I could find a Japanese online dictionary that would pronounce a word?
[11:48] <Sktfeelsdapper> Doesn't work here, at all.
[11:48] <takuhii> not seeing any ethernet controller
[11:49] <Sktfeelsdapper> I apt-get install it
[11:49] <omegacat> and every time it suspends/hibernates or whatever, i have to power cycle it to get it to come back on.
[11:49] <Sktfeelsdapper> Click on it, and it doesn't come up.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Otacon22: please join #ubuntu-xgl for that
[11:49] <mipstien> www.isohunt.com   bittorrent site
[11:49] <Otacon22> tnx
[11:49] <Sktfeelsdapper> Yah I tried that, I can't find too many albums on there.
[11:49] <leshaste> I was wondering.. can any kind soul confirm http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134898 for me please?
[11:49] <leshaste> it's the second attachment that is important
[11:49] <omegacat> nobody knows?
[11:49] <mipstien> use Azureus, its better than the basic bit torrent site
[11:49] <gnomefreak> leshaste: using gentoo?
[11:50] <leshaste> gnomefreak: I am but it isn't clear whether that is relevant to this bug
[11:50] <omegacat> help?
[11:50] <omegacat> maybe?
[11:50] <green_earz> Sktfeelsdapper: http://www.torrentreactor.net/ http://www.mininova.org/ http://thepiratebay.org/ http://isohunt.com/
[11:50] <gnomefreak> leshaste: the bug is not relavent at all to ubuntu
[11:50] <omegacat> plz?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> leshaste: its a gentoo build package
[11:51] <leshaste> gnomefreak: you mean it doesn't show in ubuntu?
[11:51] <Sktfeelsdapper> I've used mininova and isohunt and can't find any mp3/albums I like.
[11:51] <leshaste> gnomefreak: this is the problem.. we need to know if it is kde or gentoo
[11:51] <gnomefreak> leshaste: the first line of it is gentoo package
[11:51] <PFA> has anyone here had any success with a Lexmark P915, Z705 or X2350?
[11:51] <leshaste> gnomefreak: could you test the second attachment please
[11:51] <takuhii> hey green_earz, lspci worked good but in verbose mode I can't read all the output
[11:51] <gnomefreak> leshaste: leshaste my kde 3.5.4 works fine here
[11:51] <DingoK> is there a way to tell dpkg or apt to uninstall/rm everything thta has to do with a pakcage? configs and all? so that I can reinstall from scratch?
[11:51] <omegacat> =(
[11:52] <gnomefreak> leshaste: we dont have kde devel team we have a kubuntu devel team
[11:52] <green_earz> Sktfeelsdapper: http://www.torrentspy.com/default.asp
[11:52] <omegacat> sry, i must be in the wrong place. is there a help channel?
[11:52] <Xenguy> Sktfeelsdapper: thepiratebay.org
[11:52] <Sktfeelsdapper> Maybe I should reboot my computer to see if this actually worked.
[11:53] <Sktfeelsdapper> Wish me luck on this one.
[11:53] <LjL> omegacat: this is the help channel. it's just kinda crowded, and there might not be somebody who knows the answer to your problem seeing your question...
[11:53] <green_earz> takuhii: lspci -v | grep Ethernet        may be better to veiw
[11:53] <takuhii> ah cool I was just reading a page on grep
[11:53] <bleaked> DingoK: the purge option.  if you use aptitude, it's sudo aptitude purge <pkg>
[11:53] <omegacat> LjL I have about a million problems. =( the whole thing sucks and my boyfriend is sleeping and i can't make it work and i hate it.
[11:53] <green_earz> takuhii: its a very handy tool
[11:53] <takuhii> I understand how to use the command line I just don't know all the commands or how to string them together as well as you do :)
[11:54] <DingoK> bleaked: is there a way to do it with apt-get ?
[11:54] <takuhii> green_earz: returned nothing
[11:54] <juztin> question : how do i fix this problem? configure: error: *** SDL version 1.2.0 not found!
[11:54] <omegacat> and i cannot find instructions that i understand and the whole idea of using ubuntu was made of suck and fail, i think.
[11:54] <Dr_willis> juztin,  install the various sdl libarary developer packages
[11:55] <bleaked> DingoK: well yea.. but you should really use aptitude.. the commands are almost identical.. i think apt-get uses, apt-get remove --purge or something.. check the manual, man apt-get
[11:55] <juztin> Dr_willis, thanks :)
[11:55] <Xenguy> DingoK: apt-get remove --purge packagename OR dpkg -r packagename
[11:55] <omegacat> i should have known when just the installation crashed 3 times.
[11:55] <Xenguy> DingoK: actually dunno if that dpkg command 'purges', hrm
[11:56] <juztin> Dr_willis, i get this error when trying to install libsdl1.2-dev in synaptic : Could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade : The following packages have unresolvable dependencies.  Make sure that all required repositories are added and enabled in the preferences.  Depends: libartsc0-dev but it is not going to be installed
[11:56] <DingoK> xenguy: the apt-get worked, thanks !
[11:56] <Dr_willis> juztin,  besure ya got all the repos enabled. then update, upgrad, and try again. i guess..
[11:56] <green_earz> takuhii:  so i look like the card as not been seen at the bios level.   at ether card that play well with linux is 3com  3c905C
[11:57] <Xenguy> din: yw (dpkg takes a -P argument to purge)
[11:57] <takuhii> I have an extra ethernet card, is there anything I have to do if i shutdown and swap the cards?
[11:57] <takuhii> also, is there a list where I can see if my card is on that list
[11:58] <green_earz> takuhii:  no just shut down the machine are try the other card
[11:58] <takuhii> k im gonna do that now
[11:59] <Xenguy> takuhii: just swap the cards and turn on the PC.  Maybe google ubuntu hardware compatibility
[11:59] <dantje> Where do I turn for xorg.conf, driver & resolution problems? I'd like to see the Samsung 204B just work in one of the next ubuntu releases.
[12:00] <omegacat> ok: I have the following problems: 1.  2. My wifi doesn't work. 3. I can't make my USB mouse work. 4. Every time the screen saver comes on it locks up and i have to power cycle 5.


  I'm a kool kat
[01:13] <Daviey> Seeker`: MrsDaviey = Cool Light-Weight Nerd
[01:13] <Daviey> right bed
[01:14] <Hobbsee> not sure of soros is going to behave like a mono troll elsewhere..
[02:20] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: what is a mono troll?
[02:20] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: someone that can only troll in one channel at a time?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: unfortunately not
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: a guy trolling about mono.
[03:52] <bazhang> someone should keep an eye on maple1 in -ot
 I popped 5 dexedrine just to tolerate linux
[03:53] <bazhang> in #ubuntu
[03:53] <bazhang> currently PM 'ing
[03:59] <nixternal> hahahahaha, just 5?
[04:06] <bazhang> maple1 is now banned in #ubuntu ; someone with rights in -ot may wish to watch out for him
 I'm just getting drunk and on drugs
[04:06] <bazhang> @bansearch lordkagar
[04:11]  * genii-around sips
[04:18] <genii-around> @login
 i accidentally the video card
[04:30] <Flannel> oh no, anti-verb trolls?
[04:30] <bazhang> haha
[04:30] <Flannel> yeah
[04:30] <Flannel> Its been a few ... what, months, years?
[04:31] <Flannel> Its someone being annoying, not just forgetting verbs.
[04:36] <nalioth> not everyone speaks english natively
[04:36] <nalioth> or types it
[04:37] <Flannel> no, this one's word for word from the last guy
[04:37] <Flannel> even answers questions in the same way
[04:39] <Flannel> bazhang: the official debian is on oftc now
[04:40] <bazhang> Flannel, I was answering his ubuntu Q
[04:40] <bazhang> did not see the debian before I hit enter
[06:42] <elky_e71> someone may want to watch drog, is being inappropriate
[06:42] <elky_e71> -ot
[06:52] <elkeee> crap, i dont have chanserv on tyis yet
[06:53] <bazhang> drog is always inappropriate imo
[06:55] <elkeee> haha
[06:55] <bazhang> is dmay behaving himself elkeee ?
[06:56] <bazhang> in -women, that is
[06:56] <elkeee> no idea
[06:56] <elkeee> ive been at work. on my way to a LUG meet now
[06:56] <bazhang> @bansearch dmay
[07:04] <elkeee> bazhang, you are op in -ot, yes?
[07:04] <elkeee> i need to go, but atomic and drog cannot be trusted without adult supervision
[07:10] <ikonia> I've seen dmay before
[07:22] <bazhang> elkeee, not in -ot, no
[07:41] <ikonia> is the nick asdf1234 from a specific irc client as loads of people seem to be using it
[07:43] <stdin> ikonia: it's just a "random" nick people pick a lot
[07:43] <stdin> the first 4 letters below qwerty is asdf
[07:44] <ikonia> I got that, but it just seems "really" in us a lot
[07:45] <stdin> I think it's where people are setting up a client for the first time and just want to run through the setup quickly
[07:59] <elkeee> i see he did not come in and cry
[10:10] <stdin> !staff |<EMAIL_ADDRESS><---zloy still ban evading (and k-line evading afaik)
[10:11] <stdin> bazhang: good time to use !staff then
[10:11] <bazhang> stdin, okay thanks; I am guessing that works in -irc too
[10:12] <stdin> bazhang: yes, but more staff in here than -irc
[10:12] <bazhang> stdin, ok; thought since it was a -ru problem that was the more appropriate place, but he is also banned in #ubuntu as well
[10:13] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS><---zloy ban/kline evading
[10:13] <bazhang> !staff | zloy ban/k-line evading
[10:29] <christel> thank you, they appear gone now tho
[10:30] <bazhang> okay; just wanted to let you all know. he has done this more than a dozen times now
[11:17] <Myrtti> gmoin
[11:21] <jussi01> Hello all!
[11:21]  * jussi01 waves
[11:21] <ikonia> your awake
[11:23] <jussi01> a little...
[11:23] <jussi01> the morphine is doing strange things to my head...
[11:23] <ikonia> where are you now @?
[11:23] <ikonia> morphine ???
[11:23] <jussi01> in Geelong, AU
[11:24] <jussi01> yeah, The doc thinks Ive done my anterior cruciate ligament, going in for scans on monday...
[11:24] <ikonia> what happened, I didn't know you wher hurt
[11:25] <jussi01> yeah, it happened ~3 hours ago
[11:25] <ikonia> wow
[11:25] <jussi01> Was playing Football...
[11:26] <ikonia> say no more
[11:26] <jussi01> lol
[11:27] <jussi01> so yeah, My position is currently "in bed" :P
[11:28] <Myrtti> my settop box arrived today
[11:28] <ikonia> rubbish
[11:28] <Myrtti> now all I need is a tv.
[11:28] <Myrtti> :-D
[11:29] <jussi01> lol, and a license...
[11:30] <ikonia> does finland have TV licenses?
[11:31] <jussi01> yes
[11:31] <jussi01> ~200¤ per year
[11:31] <ubot3> Factoid 200¤ per year not found
[11:31] <jussi01> oops
[11:33] <Myrtti> jussi01: it's jalkapallo, btw.
[11:39] <jussi01> Myrtti: shush,Ive had morphine :D
[11:39]  * Myrtti pours jussi01 some glögi
[11:49]  * Myrtti pokes her inbox
[11:56] <gnomefreak> if glogi has liquer in it can i have one
[11:58] <Myrtti> it's all up to preference
[11:58]  * Myrtti pours gnomefreak some kossu in his serving
[11:59] <gnomefreak> :) thanks
[12:19] <jussi01> ok, Im off sleepy byes... nini all
[12:39] <PriceChild> where's !ch gone :/
[12:39] <PriceChild> !-ch
[13:01] <Myrtti> PriceChild: ch?
[13:01] <PriceChild> switzerland isn't it?
[13:02] <Myrtti> !unforget ch
[13:02] <Myrtti> ah.
[13:02] <Myrtti> has never been
[13:02] <PriceChild> i guess so
[13:02] <ikonia> !cn
[13:17] <nalioth> 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[13:39] <cody-somerville> What is our policy for dealing with people who look for help doing something malicious?
[13:41] <stdin> depends what you mean
[13:42] <stdin> if it's illegal then we don't help, if they want to ruin their own system (and know that's what they are doing), then it's up to them
[13:44] <Myrtti> if they've already managed to bork their system with tools like auto/ultamatix, then we run and teach them how to use alternative methods after they've installed a clean install
[13:47] <ikonia> cody-somerville I won't help anyone crack peoples boxes, thingsl ike that
[13:47]  * cody-somerville nods.
[13:53] <PriceChild> wireless cracking by any chance?
[13:54] <ikonia> isn't it always
[13:54] <ikonia> "I want to learn how to use aricrack"
[13:54] <PriceChild> the documents & faqs on their site are really good
[13:55] <cody-somerville> SYN FLOOD actually
[13:55] <PriceChild> oh that's a new one
[13:56] <cody-somerville> [09:37] <ciapsadm> I need to flood an ip, not a server
[13:56] <cody-somerville> [09:38] <ciapsadm> Programs for windows are flood
[13:57] <PriceChild> l
[13:57] <ikonia> cody-somerville: "bye bye"
[13:57] <LjL> <disclaimer="i'm not serious">could always teach him by example on his ip</disclaimer>
[13:58] <Pici> Thow an !illegal at him.
[13:58] <ikonia> there is no reason to flood an ip thats valid
[13:58] <PriceChild> "how can I stress test the apache webserver running on my ubuntu server" kinda thing = sure, why not
[13:59] <PriceChild> "i want to flood x" = flood what/how/why? maybe not
[13:59] <LjL> yes, agreed, look at the intent
[13:59] <Pici> This is one of those "if you have to ask..." type of things.
[13:59] <LjL> like, the other day someone asked "i know this is an illegal question, but ..."
[13:59] <LjL> i don't care what's after the "but"
[13:59] <LjL> if you know it's illegal then you don't ask
[13:59] <LjL> specifically, the question was about p2p programs
[14:00] <LjL> and i've obviously nothing against a question like "how can i install gnutella"
[14:00] <ikonia> Pici: yes, I'm inclined to agree
[14:01] <LjL> there is that too
[14:02] <PriceChild> And is there anything wrong with just ignoring it if you're unsure?
[14:03] <ikonia> not sure if it should be ignored
[14:03] <ikonia> eg: allow that sort of discussion
[14:04] <ikonia> someone saying "someone in #ubuntu told me how to do it"
[14:57] <ikonia> 14:57 -!- Acedip is now known as OsamaBinLaden
[14:57] <ikonia> ??
[14:58] <genii> ikonia: Heh, I saw this as well
[14:58] <ikonia> I don't think it's his real name, just asking why he changed, hope it wasn't to provoke anything
[14:59] <ikonia> he changed it, it was to just provoke a response
[15:00] <ikonia> seemed ok in pm, but just wanted to cause a bit of fuss
[15:00] <bazhang> he was making comments a few days back about 'not believing in spoon-feeding users'
[15:00] <Pici> Oh, him.
[15:00] <ikonia> yes, I thought that was teh same user
[15:00] <bazhang> yep
[15:00] <ikonia> someone banned him
[15:00] <ikonia> may even have been me
[15:00] <ikonia> @btlogin
[15:00] <bazhang> a known tr.. quantity
[15:01] <ikonia> LjL: how do you search the comments
[15:01] <ikonia> I'm sure I put a comment in about spoon feeding
[15:02] <ikonia> ooh the search box does it on it's own
[15:02] <LjL> ikonia: just like everything else
[15:02] <ikonia> http://jussi01.com/web/bans.cgi?sess=0f7dbbbb51702ef4aab8db6d52272966
[15:02] <ikonia> oops
[15:02] <ikonia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:02] <ikonia> different guy
[15:02] <LjL> ikonia, you know, the above paste was probably not a good idea...
[15:02] <bazhang> weird coincidence
[15:02] <Pici> Indeed.
[15:02] <ikonia> yes, it was an accident
[15:03] <ikonia> not much I can do about that apart from apologise
[15:03] <Pici> jussi01: Could you delete a bt session from the database? See a few lines up?
[15:03] <ikonia> Pici: genius
[15:03] <PriceChild> can you not just issue a new one to yourself and the old is removed?
[15:04] <LjL> not sure the old one is removed
[15:04] <Pici> I cannot remember either.
[15:04] <genii> I have to be careful of my touchpad, it wants to paste like that sometimes if I swipe the tope right corner wrong way
[15:04] <genii> *top
[15:04] <LjL> i don't think so, i've often clicked on old BT sessions after requesting new ones, and they worked
[15:04] <PriceChild> mine have expired before, i'm just not sure why
[15:04] <ikonia> LjL: I believe you are right
[15:04] <LjL> genii: you can disable the top right corner acting as a middle button
[15:04] <PriceChild> but worth a try
[15:05] <Pici> The BT code clears them after a bit, but I dont remember when or why.
[15:05] <genii> LjL: Good idea, thanks
[15:05] <ikonia> old ones are still valid
[15:05] <ikonia> just tested
[15:05] <LjL> genii: if your touchpad supports multitouch, you can configure it so that two or three fingers tap is middle button instead
[15:05] <genii> I had same one up in firefox 2 days running, refresh still worked on it
[15:05] <LjL> genii: use synclient to test, "man synaptics"
[15:06] <ikonia> @mark Acedip #ubuntu "wanted to cause a disruption using nick changes"
[15:07] <nalioth> how do you turn off "Contact this user" in launchpad?
[15:08] <LjL> am i the only one being randomly mailed by people asking for ubuntu support...?
[15:08] <Pici> Yes.
[15:08] <nalioth> LjL: no, see my question
[15:08] <LjL> right...
[15:08] <LjL> look at this one
[15:09] <LjL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/77761/
[15:10] <nalioth> i just got the same exact one
[15:10] <ikonia> you two are l33t
[15:10] <bazhang> what chipset
[15:10] <PriceChild> they'll have sent that to a team, not individuals, i got it to
[15:11] <bazhang> oh wait. this is not a support channel :)
[15:11] <Myrtti> bazhang: neither is that email ;-)
[15:11] <bazhang> true Myrtti :)
[15:12] <genii> LjL: That is one weird message
[15:12] <PriceChild> LjL: nalioth: I believe they're being sent to us individually from the contact this team on ubuntu-irc-council
[15:13] <Pici> Weird.
[15:14] <PriceChild> shall we change that team to have the ML as our contact address, so at least we know someone's sending these emails to the team rather than us individually
[15:18] <nalioth> according to https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople we can turn off the functionality.  i've looked and can't find it
[15:19] <PriceChild> where's it say that?
[15:20] <PriceChild> oh you acn hide your individual email, but not disable the ability for emailing an entire team
[15:20] <nalioth> it says you can turn off the "Contact this user" part
[15:26] <LjL> PriceChild: the ML seems like the natural choice for our contact address to me
[15:27] <PriceChild> seems you can work out whether something is from launchpad by the header, but this is easier 8-)
[15:30] <PriceChild> LjL: oh but you can only have each address assigned to one team in launchpad... we're already assigned to ubuntu-irc-cloaks *works magic*
[15:30] <LjL> PriceChild: sounds terminally silly
[15:32] <LjL> Pici: but are you sure? (or have you just changed it?) because here ubuntu-irc-cloaks says "no contact address"
[15:32] <Pici> Wrong P
[15:32] <PriceChild> LjL: i just changed that... but still can't assign it to ubuntu-irc-council
[15:32] <LjL> PriceChild: because? same error still?
[15:32] <PriceChild> (i'm thinking all mails to ubuntu-irc-cloaks will get sent t ubuntu-irc-council, and so the ML)
[15:32] <PriceChild> same error
[15:33] <PriceChild> ah now its worked i think
[15:33] <LjL> PriceChild: didn't something like this happen before? i.e. we fiddled with emails on launchpad hoping we could "free up" stuff, but it was left stuck?
[15:33] <PriceChild> bah no, wrong team
[15:34] <LjL> i vaguely remember asking in #launchpad to no avail
[15:34] <PriceChild> I'll try again.
[16:21] <LjL> #ubuntu [17:19:19] <w441> type /QUOTE PASS 14415
[16:21] <LjL> this looks malicious although i don't really know what harm it could do
[16:22] <Pici> It shouldn't do anything if you're already connected
[16:22] <LjL> indeed
[16:22] <LjL> still why would someone tell people to type that?
[16:22] <ikonia> idiot ?
[16:23] <Pici> ikonia:  besides the obvious he means.
[16:23] <ikonia> oh
[16:23] <LjL> heh
[16:32] <genii> snowhite is being a pest I see :)
[16:32] <LjL> what i said translates as a last warning
[16:33] <LjL> next time, ban
[16:34] <bazhang> I read vista for some reason
[16:34] <nalioth> genii: do we know you?
[16:36] <ikonia> genii: on a finish address ?
[16:36] <bazhang> and not sipping coffee?
[16:37] <ikonia> finnish I meant
[16:37] <Myrtti> He's finnished
[16:37] <bazhang> oof
[16:37] <Pici> augh
[16:39] <Dave2> .wi n77
[16:39] <Pici> fail77
[16:40] <genii> I'm not finnish
[16:41] <ikonia> your on an unsual IP
[16:41] <ikonia> unusual
[16:41] <genii> No, all my hostmasks or so on should trace back to Toronto or so
[16:41] <ikonia> your on a .fi domain
[16:41] <genii> ikonia: Ah, thats becuase I'm on jussi01's Quassel box, which is in Finland
[16:41] <ikonia> ahhh
[16:41] <PriceChild> genii: identify please ;)
[16:42] <genii> @login
[16:42] <genii> Hm
[16:42] <PriceChild> to nickserv
[16:42] <ikonia> PriceChild: is that an ED209 impression ?
[16:42] <PriceChild> :)
[16:42] <genii> @login
[16:43] <genii> Yay!
[16:46] <ikonia> you now have 15 seconds to comply
[16:47] <Pici> My voice is my passport. Verify me.
[16:47] <ikonia> accepted
[16:53] <nalioth> genii: can you make nice with nickserv, or do i have to enforce the /topic ?
[16:54] <Pici> nalioth: he did
[16:54] <stdin> he hasn't been granted +v here yet
[16:56] <Myrtti> [18:56] [freenode] ~~~          : is identified to services
[17:00] <genii> nalioth: I identified
[17:01] <genii> Apologies on reply lag, work required me
[17:01] <jpds> ikonia: hmm? Translator?
[17:02] <Myrtti> meh.
[17:02] <Myrtti> these beans don't taste that good :-<
[17:04] <Pici> bad beans
[17:04] <genii> Myrtti: Hopefully you did not find them in the guinea pig enclosure .... ;)
[17:04] <Pici> D:
[17:04] <Myrtti> genii: no, though I did clean the cage just few minutes ago
[17:04] <ikonia> jpds: translators
[17:05] <Myrtti> I'm having my vegetarian phase again
[17:05] <ikonia> jpds: we need no translator bot
[17:05] <Pici> Was I dreaming or did I see a conversation about that in -ot yesterday?
[17:07] <jpds> ikonia: Ah. Didn't scroll up, sorry.
[17:19] <LjL> if you'd look at poor chanserv, you'd know he can't be granted +v by it
[17:36] <jpds> Lost Spaniard.
[17:43] <LjL> wouldn't call him lost
[17:46] <Myrtti> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/wal-mart-worker-trampled-to-death-in.html
[17:46] <Pici> Ugh, I dont even want to read that
[17:50] <Myrtti> nom cheese
[17:51]  * jussi01 wants more morphine...
[17:51] <jussi01> no, actually:
[17:51]  * jussi01 needs more morphine...
[18:09] <Myrtti> plip plop
[18:09] <Pici> fizz fizz
[19:28] <Flannel> oh what a relief it is
[19:57] <genii> /back
[19:58] <genii> bah
[19:58]  * genii slides jussi01 a coffee instead
[20:01] <Flannel> ubottu: tell KatieKitty about away
[20:07] <genii> I see one fellow is chastising the bot for always telling him he's only a bot ....
[20:17] <Flannel> I'm amazed at how many people recommend doing things completely backwards.
[20:19] <Flannel> Myrtti: root account enabling hasn't actually broken anything since like Hoary or Dapper.  It's just a Bad Idea (tm)
[20:19] <Myrtti> Flannel: well, some of the documentation needs revisiting then
[20:20] <Flannel> Which ones?
[20:20] <Myrtti> I just recently read someplace from the official docs that it breaks. Can't remember where though
[20:20] <Myrtti> and I should work a bit before heading to bed
[22:00] <thegeek1> ljl
[22:02] <thegeek1> hello
[22:05] <Myrtti> wth
[22:49] <Flannel> That certainly wasn't three weeks.
[22:50] <jussi01> Morning all!
[22:52] <Myrtti> jussi01: hows the medication?
[22:53] <jussi01> Myrtti: actually its been good, I strapped the knee up and the strapping has helped reduce the pain. just panadol at the moment - trying  to keep the morphine to a minimum
[22:55] <Myrtti> good
[22:56]  * jussi01 is really happy someone finally wrote a colored nick patch for quassel :D
[22:56] <Myrtti> childlike joy
[22:56] <Flannel> Just dont take it to #ubuntu... I'm not sure that 1500 colors exist.
[22:57] <jussi01> Flannel: lol, nah, some peiople are the same color
[22:57] <Flannel> jussi01: Ah, that's good.  I was looking at my crayon box, and I think there's only 300
[22:58] <jussi01> although the colours currently are tango only, :/ Waiting for it to be oxygenised...
[23:16] <Myrtti> do I just imagine it or is orgthingy getting annoying at -ot?
[23:17] <Flannel> You're not imagining it, although I'm not sure Id categorize it as annoying personally
[23:19] <jussi01> ROFL... I tried to explain lag to my mum, and she was like, so its kinda like "internet constipation" ? :D :P
[23:37] <Myrtti> that's quite accurate


[04:34] <barrydk> More almal
[05:00] <Kilos> hi barrydk  nlsthzn  and all those not really active yet
[05:25] <stickyboy> Kilos: hola
[05:25] <Kilos> hi there stickyboy
[05:25] <stickyboy> Kilos: How many cups of coffee have you had today?
[05:26] <Kilos> on my second
[05:26] <Kilos> and hald a beer mug of tea
[05:26] <Kilos> half
[05:33] <stickyboy> Kilos: Wow, and it's only 8 am
[05:33] <Kilos> lol
[05:33] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:33] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[05:37] <Kilos> stickyboy  one has to keep dehydration at bay
[05:37] <Kilos> hehe
[05:58] <Kilos> morning Jacques_Stry
[05:58] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:58] <Kilos> i have to teach my pc to accept mortab as morning
[05:59] <Kilos> ive got so used to using tab for nicks i get caught daily with morning
[05:59] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[06:00] <nlsthzn> o/ uncle Kilos
[06:00] <Kilos> so nlsthzn  hows my ahab family?
[06:01] <nlsthzn> good thanks... up nice and early on baby duty
[06:01] <nlsthzn> keeps one busy :p
[06:01] <Jacques_Stry> Kilos: Checked my IRC client but no option like that, would have been cool
[06:02]  * Jacques_Stry waves at nlsthzn
[06:02] <Kilos> lol ty Jacques_Stry
[06:02] <nlsthzn> o/ Jacques_Stry
[06:56] <Jacques_Stry> Waiting for 15.04 RC to popup...
[07:07] <Jacques_Stry> Think i'm gonna go with 15.04 RC today
[07:08] <Jacques_Stry> Should be stable enough
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:25]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[07:26] <Symmetria> lol
[07:26] <Symmetria> my bash foo gets stronger every day ;p
[07:26] <Symmetria> for i in {0..254}; do if ((($i % 2) == 0)); then echo 197.155.94.$i/31; fi; done <[07:26] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[07:30]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[07:32] <Jacques_Stry> Would be interesting to see some of you guys desktop setups, want to post some?
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> install KDE, there's my setup :-)
[07:35] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[07:35] <Jacques_Stry> still don't you do any customizing?
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have some launch icons on the taskbar
[07:36] <pieter2627> Symmetria: doesn't (0 % 2) == 0?
[07:36] <Jacques_Stry> ThatGraemeGuy: :)
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> graeme@nb-graemed:~$ echo $((0 % 2))
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> 0
[07:40] <Jacques_Stry> http://s30.postimg.org/edr5d9idd/Screenshot_from_2015_04_16_09_38_23.png
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria: ipcalc <IP_ADDRESS>/24 31|grep "Network:"|awk '{print $2}'
[07:43] <nlsthzn> my screenshots over the years - https://www.flickr.com/photos/59930315@N03/sets/72157626124571449/
[07:44] <Jacques_Stry> Fuduntu O.O
[07:45] <Symmetria> pieter2627 heh, yes, and if it does, thats an accurate /31 subnet
[07:46] <pieter2627> my current setup (conky still based on old wallpaper) http://pasteboard.co/2BrLIy4C.jpg
[07:46] <Symmetria> but what ThatGraemeGuy said also works :) but heh, still prefer not relying on subnet calculates etc
[07:46] <Symmetria> pieter2627 <IP_ADDRESS>/31 = <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, I only wanted to print .0
[07:47] <pieter2627> Symmetria: ok (i clearly need to improve my knowledge of it :P)
[07:47] <Symmetria> though ThatGraemeGuy, the interesting thing is, while IPCalc works to do this, what its actually outputting to do it, is incorrect from a networking perspective
[07:47] <Symmetria> since a /31 does not have a network address or a broadcast address
[07:47] <Symmetria> a /31 is a rather... special subnet :)
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> ipcalc knows that
[07:47] <Symmetria> heh /32 = host, /30 = point to point with network/broadcast, /31 = no network, no broadcast
[07:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://pastebin.com/RJMJc6Wn, yup, ipcalc knows
[07:49] <Jacques_Stry> nlsthzn: I never could get used to gnome - that launcher irritates me to no end
[07:50] <nlsthzn> gnome-shell 3.14 and above is simply stunning imo... and extensions really make it imo the best DE for linux currently
[07:50] <nlsthzn> but thats just me :p
[07:50] <Jacques_Stry> Too many clicks for me to do what I want - too distracting for me
[07:52] <Jacques_Stry> But it looks awesome
[07:52] <nlsthzn> binding the super key to the launcher it is similar to unity... Super-key start typing name of app... typically three characters are enough, hit enter
[07:53] <nlsthzn> quick swipe to top left and get overview off all open apps and workspaces
[07:53] <nlsthzn> choose app I want or flick it to other workspace
[07:53] <Jacques_Stry> Taskbar status icons not being visible is a problem for me
[07:53] <nlsthzn> ctrl+alt and up or down and I have the workspace with the app I wanbt
[07:53] <nlsthzn> there is an extension for that Jacques_Stry ;)
[07:54] <nlsthzn> works in 3.14, not sure about 3.16 for now
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> installed the extension but it kept on bugging out for me
[07:54] <nlsthzn> but then again 3.16 brings very good notification support
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> was loosing icons every +-2hrs
[07:54] <nlsthzn> to really get the best gnome 3 experience you need to run Fedora IMO
[07:54] <nlsthzn> which is why I am on unity :/\
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> i see
[07:55] <nlsthzn> type the name of an app you don't even have installed yet you can simply install it from the launcher... works amazingly well
[07:55] <nlsthzn> openSuse also not bad
[07:55] <Jacques_Stry> to me the best desktop env. I have worked with was elementary os
[07:55] <Jacques_Stry> simple and the hot corners work extremely well
[07:55] <nlsthzn> but they still have there own home made applications that double what gnome already offers
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> but had a lot of compatibility issues with it
[07:56] <nlsthzn> never enjoyed panteon that much
[07:56] <nlsthzn> pantheon
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> have never tried fedora
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> but of a debian based distro junky
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> bit*
[07:57] <nlsthzn> I would like to have the same experience I have with Fedora Gnome but with all the benefits of Ubuntu...
[07:57] <nlsthzn> ubuntu gnome not doing it for me at the moment
[07:57] <Jacques_Stry> Ubuntu really does have allot of benefits :)
[08:00] <Jacques_Stry> Just the sheer amount of documentation on the net is what keeps me here, enough of a reason
[08:23] <Kilos> load shedding huh
[08:23] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[08:24] <Kilos> twice a day now. totally sucks
[08:24] <pieter2627> ouch, for how long?
[08:24] <Kilos> 2 hours 15 mins and 2.5 hours from 4 pm
[08:25] <Kilos> im waiting for it to kill this drive for me
[08:26] <pieter2627> are you planning on putting in a claim or something?
[08:27] <Kilos> i have a couple of times before, they just ignore it
[08:27] <Kilos> and now they they we have the schedule online
[08:27] <Kilos> they say
[08:28] <Kilos> last year and earlier i lost 3 drives
[08:28] <Kilos> now i dont bother anymore just save for a new one
[08:29] <pieter2627> sounds like you should rather hope that it doesn't get killed
[08:31] <Kilos> well this seagate 1TB has been going for a year faultlessly
[08:32] <Kilos> i have to zero it by accident to make it not work
[08:32] <Kilos> oh with kde on it of course
[08:34] <Kilos> once one is used to kde i think it is difficult to change to another flavour
[08:36] <Kilos> im sure pro smiles when he hears that
[08:37] <Kilos> swine
[08:40] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  whats news with book thing in vm?
[08:40] <Jacques_Stry> with the loadshedding I didn't get very far last night
[08:40] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:41] <Jacques_Stry> Installed a fresh ubuntu server VM but haven't gotten as far as installing booktype
[08:41] <Kilos> and also why must it run on a dedicated server?
[08:42] <Jacques_Stry> lol dunno
[08:42] <Kilos> padroni is looking as well
[08:42] <Kilos> if it can be done without that dedicated server thing he could maybe host for us
[08:43] <Kilos> hi raywan|away  did any one greet you here when you logged in
[08:43] <Jacques_Stry> doesn't seem to work with mysql it seems and that is what most hosting company's provide you so think it will have to be a dedicated
[08:43] <Kilos> if not welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:43] <stickyboy> Kilos: raywan|away is currently backpacking across East Africa.  :)  Since 2003 or something.
[08:52] <Kilos> stickyboy  sell it and by a pc for ubuntu
[08:54] <Kilos> buy
[08:55] <Kilos> then you will take a leap up in status
[09:00] <Kilos> stickyboy  Unable to look up www.thefro.org
[09:04] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah, I don't have anything there right now. :P
[09:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:06] <Jacques_Stry> lol I tried too
[09:06] <Kilos> lol
[09:07] <Kilos> stickyboy  whats the oddos of converting it to a dedicated server for booktype
[09:07] <Kilos> odds
[09:09] <Kilos> then you can help educate the nations
[09:17] <Jacques_Stry> 15.04 RC is out - downloading
[09:17] <Kilos> kde too?
[09:18] <Jacques_Stry> it's up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20150416/
[09:19] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's the daily build, its always 'up' :-p
[09:19] <Kilos> another midnight session coming up
[09:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:20] <Jacques_Stry> lol daily build from today is the RC
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo Kilos
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> I used to upgrade when beta 2 hit, never experienced major trouble
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> This lappy i'm using sweating while doing the release upgrade...
[09:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> SSD ftw :)
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> my home pc has one but not work lappy...
[09:26] <Jacques_Stry> Starting to think I should invest in one for this lappy even if I have to buy it myself
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah my work laptop has one, they understand the value thats gained
[09:45] <Kilos> ai!
[09:46] <Jacques_Stry> what happened?
[09:46] <Kilos> all the mails
[09:46] <Kilos> nice to have friends online
[09:47] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[09:52] <Jacques_Stry> Must say they made a big improvement with the printing driver on 15.04
[09:52] <Jacques_Stry> Much quicker
[09:59] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:59] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: thanks for the lesson
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> which lesson? o_O
[09:59] <Kilos> hi inetpro  jy stout man
[10:00]  * inetpro didn't know about the subnet calculation part of ipcalc
[10:00] <inetpro> :-)
[10:00] <inetpro> very handy
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh :)
[10:00] <inetpro> but then I don't need it all day every day as well
[10:01] <inetpro> Symmetria: nice little bash one-liner
[10:03] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I use ipcalc often but just for the basic calculation of a single network profile
[10:03] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom ek stout?
[10:04] <Kilos> pos daai goed lys toe
[10:04] <inetpro> wel dis in die nuus, die hele wêreld vol
[10:04] <Kilos> maak my skaam
[10:05] <inetpro> The Fridge is an information hub for the Ubuntu community...
[10:06] <Kilos> eish you watch the fridge thing too?
[10:06] <inetpro> obviously
[10:06] <Kilos> im not safe anywhere anymore
[10:07] <inetpro> get out of that cocoon of yours and start flying sir
[10:07] <inetpro> and don't go crashing like the other one
[10:08] <Kilos> what other one?
[10:08] <inetpro> the cocooncrash_
[10:08] <Kilos> eish i miss having him here
[10:08] <inetpro> :-)
[10:15] <Jacques_Stry> brb restart
[10:15] <Kilos> ok
[10:16] <Squirm> Morning
[10:16] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:22] <Jacques_Stry> My conky no longer works...
[10:23] <Kilos> ai!
[10:23] <Kilos> fixit
[10:23] <Jacques_Stry> ah well I'll get it sorted later
[10:24] <Jacques_Stry> system monitor looks a bit different
[11:22] <Kilos> hi superfly
[11:31] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[11:31] <pieter2627> thanks Kilos (lappy freezing)
[11:31] <Kilos> eish
[11:33] <Kilos> what are you running there again?
[11:33] <pieter2627> 14.10 unity
[11:33]  * pieter2627 hopes Kilos is indeed talking to him
[11:33] <Kilos> yeah
[11:34] <Kilos> now you got to find whats causing the freezing
[11:35] <Kilos> there must be some way of finding the prob
[11:35] <pieter2627> too many open stuff with little ram(swap freeze up) - or at least i think so
[11:35] <Kilos> ask mr fixit
[11:35] <Kilos> how much ram?
[11:35] <pieter2627> pro?
[11:35] <pieter2627> 2Gb
[11:36] <Kilos> ya him
[11:36] <Kilos> eish ram
[11:37] <Kilos> have you tried waiting when it freezes to see what happens
[11:37] <Kilos> is your swap on
[11:37] <pieter2627> sometimes in comes back - just too impatient at other times
[11:38] <Kilos> that means its struggling ya
[11:38] <pieter2627> yes swap is on, but am thinking of increasing it
[11:38] <Kilos> size?
[11:38] <Kilos> you can go twice the size of your ram i think
[11:38] <Kilos> that rings a bell somewhere
[11:39] <Kilos> oh try munin
[11:39] <pieter2627> current 1Gb - yea twice is recommended (just didn't know it back then)
[11:39] <pieter2627> munin?
[11:40] <Kilos> it sees whats using resources or something
[11:40] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  can you fill in please
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> fill in what?
[11:40] <Kilos> what munin does
[11:40] <pieter2627> ok (am currently keeping an eye on atop)
[11:41] <Jacques_Stry> what is your swappiness value atm?
[11:41] <pieter2627> 80
[11:41] <Kilos> how do i check?
[11:41] <pieter2627> or 60
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> what does 'free -m' say?
[11:41] <Jacques_Stry> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[11:41] <pieter2627> (the default)
[11:42] <pieter2627> Mem:          1824       1719        105        148         53        429
[11:42] <pieter2627> -/+ buffers/cache:       1235        589
[11:42] <pieter2627> Swap:          976        430        546
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> get more memory
[11:42] <Kilos>
[11:42] <Kilos> -/+ buffers/cache:       2259       1659
[11:42] <Kilos> Swap:         8826          0       8826
[11:42] <Jacques_Stry> Best fix is more mem yes :)
[11:42] <pieter2627> LOL yeah i know
[11:43] <Jacques_Stry> what interface you running?
[11:43] <pieter2627> unity
[11:43] <Kilos> kde
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> get more ram or try XFCE
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> or LXDE
[11:43] <Kilos> 14.04
[11:43] <Jacques_Stry> xfce or lxde will help allot
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2GB is not a lot for a modern desktop OS
[11:43] <Jacques_Stry> reduces ram usage
[11:44] <Kilos> you can also install mate
[11:44] <Kilos> makes it much lighter
[11:44] <pieter2627> that on the plan in a few days, just have to hold till then
[11:44] <Kilos> i think its in the repos
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i doubt mate would be lighter than XFCE/LXDE
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> isn't it another GNOME fork?
[11:44] <Kilos> i dunno but really speeds up unity
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[11:45] <Kilos> ya mate is a fork of gnome2
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok I think you probably lost the plot somewhere
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> mate cannot speed up unity
[11:45] <Kilos> it uses the mate gui
[11:45] <Kilos> then unity sleeps
[11:45] <Kilos> you choose at boot
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok I'm out of this discussion
[11:46] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[11:46] <Kilos> hehe
[11:46] <Jacques_Stry> pieter set swappiness to 10
[11:46] <Jacques_Stry> will help a bit at making it a bit more responsive
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'd make it 0 but thats just me
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> only swap if you absolutely have to
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you can tweak and tune all you want, you will need more memory at some point
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the car tuning world there's a saying "there's no replacement for displacement", i.e. you can gain power by tweaking little things here and there, maybe add some form of forced induction but at the end of the day you're better off with the 2.0 than the 1.4
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> memory is the same
[11:49] <Kilos> agreed
[11:50] <Kilos> ram is expensive though
[11:50] <pieter2627> what happens when it is at 0 - had it at 10 at times
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> so is that 2.0 engine, but if you're complaining about the 1.4 being too slow, there isn't much to do but come up with the money somehow :)
[11:51] <Jacques_Stry> on 0 when you run out of ram it thrashes a bit so I prefer setting it on 5 usually
[11:51] <Kilos> a 16v golg or jetta outrun a 3l ford
[11:52] <Kilos> golf
[11:52] <Jacques_Stry> the thing is when I do blender I can run out of ram even on my home pc with 16gb
[11:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:53] <Jacques_Stry> pieter2627: If you want to make the change permanant then add "vm.swappiness = 5" to /etc/sysctl.conf
[11:54] <Jacques_Stry> permanent*
[11:55] <pieter2627> i might experiment with some temps first then set the best one - remember that a really low value seemed bad in the past
[11:55] <pieter2627> i can remember*
[12:09] <jacques_> and i'm sitting in the dark
[12:12] <Kilos> ai!
[12:13] <Jacques_Stry> Running on Lap bat
[12:16] <Kilos> as long as we have this load shedding business i think lappies are better
[12:18] <Kilos> do the batteries last 2 and a half hours?
[12:20] <Jacques_Stry> mine goes about 2 hours
[12:21] <Jacques_Stry> depends on the model and specs - some last up to 7 hours
[12:21] <Kilos> even if you do nothing but irc?
[12:22] <Spekko> Sup Kilos
[12:22] <Spekko> long time no see
[12:22] <Kilos> hi Spekko  wb
[12:22] <Spekko> ty ty
[12:22] <Kilos> where you been?
[12:23] <Spekko> New Work :-/ been working my arse off for the past 8months or so.
[12:23] <Kilos> whew
[12:24] <Kilos> so what do you sit on now?
[12:24] <Kilos> ribs?
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone know Symmetria's Ubuntu mirror details?
[12:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:24] <Kilos> Symmetria  your mirror details please
[12:26] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  our local mirriors are pointed to him
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> I found it
[12:26] <Kilos> the default one and the other za ones
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> we run a mirror for internal use but our upstream is a bit flaky apparently
[12:27] <Kilos> ah
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> starting to play with ubuntu in addition to debian
[12:28] <Spekko> Pretty much yeah, bare bones
[12:28] <Kilos> hehe
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> where are you working thats working you so hard?
[12:56] <Jacques_Stry> Kilos: Problem is screen on the lappy still uses allot of power even if you only browse etc.
[12:56] <Kilos> ah
[13:05] <Jacques_Stry> Welcome unnamed one
[13:08] <Kilos> haha
[13:25] <Jacques_Stry> Chat in a while, going home
[13:25] <Kilos> ok
[13:53] <Kilos> hi Cantide  and others
[13:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:57] <Cantide> Kilos, :)
[13:57] <Cantide> congratulations~
[13:58] <Kilos> ty Cantide  was a fluke
[13:58] <Cantide> hah
[13:58] <Kilos> they didnt have anyone else
[13:58] <Cantide> no such thing as a fluke :p
[13:58] <Kilos> yaya
[13:59] <Kilos> when a door is breaking you use rusty nails if thats all you have
[14:00] <Kilos> why you depressed lad
[14:01] <Cantide> ahhh
[14:01] <Cantide> 미안합니다 <- it says "sorry" and was used as a catchphrase during the Sewol disaster
[14:01] <Cantide> the Sewol sank a year ago, today
[14:02] <Kilos> ah
[14:02] <Cantide> so many Koreans are remembering
[14:02] <Kilos> shame
[14:02] <Cantide> yeah... heartbreaking stuff
[14:03] <Cantide> and some families are still seeking closure
[14:03] <Cantide> the bodies of about 9 children have not been found
[14:03] <Kilos> ya sad but better than the whole country being washed away
[14:03] <Kilos> eish
[14:04] <Cantide> lol
[14:04] <Cantide> true that
[14:04] <Cantide> oh, i bought a plane ticket for SA yesterday
[14:04] <Cantide> gonna visit for about a week and a half in July :)
[14:05] <Kilos> nice
[14:05] <Kilos> hows your korean contacts doing
[14:05] <Kilos> i see they have rebuilt their loco
[14:05] <Kilos> help them if you can  or join them anyway
[14:06] <Cantide> yeah
[14:06] <Cantide> i joined their IRC channel now
[14:06] <Kilos> good
[14:06] <Cantide> but i don't know the nick of the person you pointed to me on Facebook
[14:06] <Cantide> brb
[14:06] <Kilos> wait ill get it
[14:07] <Cantide> k
[14:07] <Kilos>  TaeheeJang
[14:07] <Kilos> he is offline atm
[14:08] <Cantide> aha
[14:08] <Cantide> i see :p
[14:08] <Cantide> it's just his Korean name '-';
[14:08] <Cantide> 장태희
[14:08] <Kilos> thats the nick he uses too
[14:08] <Cantide> yup, thanks
[14:09] <Kilos> cool
[14:09] <Cantide> i'll keep an eye out for him
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> load shedding up to stage 2
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> from 18:00 supposedly although CoCT already on 2 according to them
[14:29] <Kilos> ai!
[15:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:41] <Kilos> wb Private_User
[15:41] <Kilos> wow Cantide  you here long hey?
[15:41] <Kilos> must be missing za
[16:19] <Cantide> lol
[16:19] <Cantide> i forgot i was in here
[16:19] <Cantide> going to sleep now
[16:19] <Kilos> lol
[16:19] <Cantide> good night!
[16:19] <Kilos> sleep tight lad
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Rynomster
[16:26] <Rynomster> howzit Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[16:28] <Rynomster> alright thanks :)
[16:29] <Kilos> you okes that swop nicks kill my brain
[16:29] <Kilos> whats left of it anyway
[17:15] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[17:15] <Tonberry> hi
[17:16] <Kilos> ohi Jacques_StrY
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:19] <Kilos> oh my
[17:19]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz  hurry
[17:19] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[17:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:23] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias amigo
[17:23] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[17:49] <miles_> hmm...
[17:50] <Kilos> just testing one of those box things
[17:52] <miles_> this is easier than a router
[17:53] <Kilos> evening superfly
[17:53] <Kilos> and inetpro
[17:54] <superfly> hi
[17:54] <superfly> Kilos: well done
[17:54] <Kilos> ty superfly
[17:54] <Kilos> not me, its all in your laps
[18:00] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  are you still running on battery?
[18:16] <Kilos> oh my
[18:43] <inetpro> my oh my
[18:43] <inetpro> good evening
[18:43] <Kilos> lol hello pro
[18:51] <Kilos> winter is here hey inetpro
[18:59] <inetpro> getting cooler yes
[19:01] <Kilos> im going to hit the sack. you should follow suite inetpro
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:01] <inetpro> uh, ok oom
[19:01] <inetpro> good night oom
[19:05] <inetpro> superfly: what was that thing you do to get different colors for nicknames in Quassel?
[19:12] <confluency> inetpro: in the nick sidebar or in the chat window?
[19:12] <inetpro> confluency: in the chat window
[19:12] <confluency> For the chat window you check sender colours in "chat view".
[19:13]  * inetpro is googling and remember it's something to do with stylesheets
[19:14] <confluency> It's in the configuration. Go to the "chat view" section. Check "sender colours".
[19:15] <confluency> I think stylesheets affect it too, but you don't need a stylesheet,
[19:16] <inetpro> confluency: ah, thanks
[19:17] <inetpro> that's all I needed


[14:59] <bigjools> me
[15:01] <bac> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is bac.
[15:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:01] <bac> Hi and welcome to the reviewers meeting.
[15:01] <bac> who is here, besides eager bigjools ?
[15:01] <abentley> me
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <adeuring> me
[15:02] <noodles775> me
[15:02] <adeuring> deryck is off today
[15:02] <bac> thanks adeuring
[15:03] <bac> gmb, leonardr, mars: ping
[15:03] <gmb> Erk
[15:03] <gmb> me
[15:03] <mars> me
[15:04] <bac> gary_poster:  ping
[15:04] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:04] <leonardr> me
[15:04] <henninge> me
[15:04] <gary_poster> me-ish
[15:04] <henninge> ;)
[15:04] <bac> [topic] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:05] <bac>  * Roll call
[15:05] <bac>  * Agenda
[15:05] <bac>  * Outstanding actions
[15:05] <bac>  * New topics
[15:05] <bac>    * Lots of unlanded, approved branches [bac]
[15:05] <bac>  * Peanut gallery
[15:05] <bac> [topic] outstanding actions
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding actions
[15:05] <bac> * bac to update TestStyleGuide.
[15:05] <bac> l've begun doing this and will seek input from abentley and sinzui before finalizing
[15:06] <bac> * Bjornt to set a policy on what can live in lib/lp, lib/services, and lib/coop
[15:06] <bac> i don't think BjornT is with us ATM, so i'll roll this over.
[15:06] <bac> * *Everyone* read lib/canonical/launchpad/doc/db-policy.txt
[15:07] <bac> last week bigjools talked about using the slave store and recommended reading this document.
[15:07] <bac> i hope everyone has had a chance to review it as there is lots of good information in there.
[15:07] <bac> if you haven't, please take some time this week to do so.

[15:07] <bac> * Sinzui to replace pylint
[15:08] <sinzui> I have not completed that
[15:08] <bac> sinzui:  were you able to make any progress in liberating your script?
[15:08] <sinzui> No.
[15:09] <bac> sinzui:  last week i think you stated it would replace pyflakes, but that was a misstatement, right?  we want to keep pyflakes and replace pylint?
[15:10] <sinzui> I agreed to replace the entire lint.sh for a faster python script
[15:10] <sinzui> sorry, but my family insisted that I be with them
[15:10] <sinzui> I never promised my work hours for this
[15:10] <bac> sinzui:  that's quite alright.  understood.
[15:10] <bac> there are no other new topics for discussion.
[15:10] <bac> does anyone have anything not listed?
[15:11] <mars> bac, I do
[15:11] <bac> go ahead mars
[15:11] <mars> A quick question for the room: has ec2 test been working properly for everyone since last week?
[15:12] <bac> mars: it has worked for me the few times i've run it.
[15:12] <mars> alright, I'll take that as a good sign
[15:13] <bac> mars what is the status of 'ec2 land'?
[15:13] <mars> If anyone does notice a disappearing branch, please ping me
[15:13] <mars> bac, that was fixed as well
[15:13] <bac> mars: ok, great.  i'll start using it again.
[15:13] <bac> anything else from anyone?
[15:14] <bac> if not, let's end very early.
[15:14] <bac> thanks for coming.
[15:14] <bac> #endmeeting
[15:14] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:14.
[15:14] <mars> bac, the "unlanded branches topic"?
[15:14] <bac> oh, yeah
[15:14] <bac> thanks mars
[15:14] <bac> i just looked on +activereviews and noticed a large number of approved branches that have not landed.
[15:15] <bac> please, everyone, take a look and take some action on your branches.  if they are really old either land them or change the status.
[15:15] <bac> that's all.
[15:15] <bigjools> let's review that again next week
[15:15] <bigjools> see if the number changes
[15:15] <bac> good idea bigjools
[15:16] <bac> #endmeeting-again
[15:16] <bigjools> it's *waste* in LEAN terms :(
[15:16] <mars> yeah
[15:16] <bac> bigjools:  perhaps the team leads can help.  :)
[15:16] <mars> and more effort to re-sync later
[15:16] <bigjools> there's only so much I can beat them :)
[15:16] <mars> like a debt with a low interest rate
[15:16]  * bac sees lots of soyuzy branches...
[15:18]  * noodles775 notes that one of the branches listed there is dependent on a subsequent branch in the pipeline.
[22:27] <thumper> bac: I'm not going to be around for the reviewer meeting, and rockstar isn't either :)
[22:28] <thumper> bac: so probably worth skipping this week
[22:33] <bac> thumper:  it's unanimous!
[22:33] <bac> see you next week