[00:01] <MamboKurt> scizzo: does it work WITH compositing. i thought vol + brightness would be rather simple and rhythmbox is working
[00:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmm, maybe it is related to the underlying video driver? Using nvidia here, they work fine
[00:19] <billybigrigger_\> anyone here use an hp mini?
[00:20] <billybigrigger_\> or the hp mini theme in ubuntu?
[00:32] <tretle> getting an error trying to install packages -http://pastebin.com/m69b49855
[00:33] <RAOF> tretle: What's the rest of the output?
[00:34] <tretle> http://pastebin.com/m76722358
[00:36] <RAOF> Urgh.
[00:37] <RAOF> Looks like a bug in python-nevow.  On the other hand, it also looks like you've already got all the banshee build-deps, so at least that should work :)
[00:38] <tretle> how do i get rid of the errors
[00:40] <RAOF> You might be able to remove python-nevow, although apt might want it to be fully installed first.
[00:41] <RAOF> editing the file in question to remove the syntax error would also work, but is more hacky.
[00:46] <tretle> thanks
[00:46] <Ienorand> how do I test the new notifications
[00:50] <tretle> notify-send "Joe Doe" "Yo dude, what’s up?" -i totem
[00:51] <Ienorand> tretle: notify send not installed... will I need to install this to get manual acces to notifications?
[00:53] <bruce89> Ienorand: libnotify-bin is the package
[00:54] <Ienorand> bruce89: and that should be installed by default?, because I don't have it.
[00:54] <bruce89> Ienorand: no, you need to install it
[01:00] <miik> heeeeeeelp, when i press printscreen, it doesnt make screenshot
[01:00] <miik> gnome-screenshot tool dont open when i press printscreen, nothing happen
[01:01] <bruce89> miik: you said that 6 hours ago
[01:01] <bruce89> miik: I said Applications>Accessories>Take Screenshot 6 hours ago also
[01:02] <hggdh> heh
[01:02] <hggdh> still, a a key mapping could help
[01:03] <bruce89> perhaps System>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts, unless the print screen key is broken for some reason
[01:03] <hggdh> aye
[01:04] <miik> bruce89, yes, i can use application->acc>take screenshot...
[01:04] <miik> bruce89, but still my printscreen hotkey doesnt work...
[01:04] <miik> i need the hotkey to work, cuz i need screenshot of game
[01:04] <miik> and then i dont have time to use that tool, i must use hotkey
[01:04] <miik> this hotkey worked in 8.10, it dont work in 9.04
[01:04] <miik> its a bug
[01:04] <miik> someone must fix this bug
[01:04] <bruce89> I don't think it would work in a game anyway
[01:04] <hggdh> miik, see bruce's last comment
[01:05] <hggdh> also -- for someone to fix this bug, it has to have been reported. Was it?
[01:05] <Lounge> the updates today haven't solved my xorg problem, it's still saying it can't load the nvidia module and the screen doesn't have a usable configuration
[01:05] <bruce89> but only if it's reproducable
[01:06] <miik> bruce89, keyboard shortcut, says "Print" but when I press printscreen, nothing happen
[01:06] <miik> my printscreen key is not broken, this is a bug
[01:06] <hggdh> miik, have you reported this bug?
[01:07] <miik> i think someone else have
[01:07] <bruce89> try reassigning the action to whatever the button does
[01:07] <miik> but i cant find it
[01:08] <bruce89> in other words, click the "print" thingy in the keyboard shortcut thing, and then press the button
[01:08] <miik> i did
[01:08] <miik> didnt help
[01:09] <miik> does your printscreen button work in 9.04?
[01:09] <bruce89> yupp
[01:09] <miik> oh
[01:14] <bruce89> though it'll not likely work in a game
[01:15] <hggdh> since a game will probably remap the keys
[01:22] <miik> but its a windows game that run in a window on the desktop
[01:22] <miik> kinda like solitaire, etc
[01:38] <fnf> Is anyone experiencing Network Manager randomly disconnects wireless networks?. I'm using iwl3945, it does it once every 20 minutes or so.
[01:40] <fnf> it alwalys started with "Disconnecting by local choice" followed by "Wireless now enabled by radio killswitch", as if the iwl3945 module was reloaded. Any idea?.
[01:50] <Lounge> ok so i don't know what all is causing this nvidia, xorg issue
[01:50] <Lounge> so i'm gonna just try reinstalling all packages using this one liner
[01:51] <thewrath> hey all
[01:51] <thewrath> can someone confirm issue with wpa2 enterprise encryption for wireless in 9.04
[01:51] <thewrath> desktop
[01:51] <thewrath> if anyone has it
[01:52] <Lounge> using this one liner to see if reinstalling all packages might fix the conflict
[01:52] <Lounge> for pkg in `dpkg --get-selections | egrep -v deinstall | awk '{print $1}' | egrep -v '(dpkg|apt|mysql|mythtv)'` ; do apt-get -y install --reinstall $pkg ; done
[01:52] <badpc> how do i install screensavers in jaunty?
[01:53] <Lounge> not sure if that's overkill or a big waste of time :/
[01:53] <burner> anyone use blueman?  i'm curious if it will make my bluetooth headset work so I can skype
[01:53] <badpc> Lounge: what video card do you have
[01:53] <thewrath> confirm that bug with wireless anyone?
[01:53] <burner> badpc: search synaptic for screensaver?
[01:53] <Lounge> nvidia
[01:53] <Lounge> oh wait i forgot the specs lol
[01:53] <Lounge> where do i look?
[01:53] <burner> Lounge: use nouveau :)
[01:53] <woody86> does anyone know if Ubuntu 8.10 can read the ext4 FS? Like if I had a ext3 / partition, and an ext4 /home partition?
[01:54] <burner> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[01:54] <burner> sudo sed -i 's/nvidia/nouveau/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:54] <burner> wait
[01:54] <burner> no!
[01:54] <burner> sudo sed -i 's/nvidia/nouveau/g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:54] <badpc> burner: were is synaptic i have adept?
[01:54] <burner> badpc: ok smart guy, search adept for screensaver ;)
[01:55] <Lounge> burner: ok i'll add that. i already made a backup so so i guess nothing to loose
[01:56] <burner> i'm rockin nouveau... i couldn't get nvidia to work with my dual screens like i wanted
[01:56] <burner> that said, nouveau is experimental yet
[01:56] <badpc> burner not trying to be smart there is a synaptic pkg manager but i dont have it and i allready tried typing that into adept
[01:56] <thewrath> Lounge: u have 9.04 can u get on wpa2 enterprise encyrption wireless?
[01:56] <burner> badpc: apt-cache search screensaver <-- from terminal
[01:57] <Lounge> not using wireless
[01:57] <thewrath> anyone then?
[01:57] <Lounge> doing the good'ole cat5 cable
[01:57] <thewrath> i would like to know if that issue is still in 9.04 like in 8.10
[01:57]  * burner is rocking open wireless
[01:57] <thewrath> i know the issue for 8.10 is reported
[01:58] <thewrath> but not sure in 9.04 i am using virtual box
[01:58] <thewrath> so i can not really confirm it
[01:58] <badpc> burner thnks that did something!
[02:00] <burner> badpc: then "sudo apt-get install kscreensaver" or gnome-screensaver, or the xscreensavers or whatever
[02:00] <badpc> burner awsome thnx allot dude
[02:01] <Lounge> badpc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=195557
[02:01] <Lounge> give that a look
[02:01] <Lounge> that's if you wanna use xscreensaver instead of gnome's
[02:02] <Lounge> burner: i sedded that entry but i'm still waiting for that reinstall 1'liner to finish
[02:04] <burner> Lounge: you just need to restart x to fix the thing we did
[02:04] <burner> sudo service gdm restart
[02:05] <Lounge> also wanted to ask about linux-image 2.6.28-8-generic: there's a realy heavy payload going on with it :/
[02:05] <Lounge> so i'm using 2.6.28-7 for now
[02:06] <burner> payload?
[02:07] <Lounge> i mean; the boot process took forever to complete and i checked the cpu and the cores were up at 80 to 90 even 100 %
[02:07] <Lounge> heavy payload
[02:07] <Lounge> <---dell xps 400 intel pentium D
[02:09] <Lounge> my launchpad name is lucian ^^
[02:09] <Lounge> just trying to participate & help the ubuntu crew
[02:10] <burner> anyone hip to bluetooth?  I can't connect to my cell phone nor my headset... i can at least see my headset, but no services are advertised
[02:11] <burner> so what process was using the cpu?
[02:13] <Lounge> burner: that's what i couldn't find out. the list didn't show any of the pids that were eating the percentage
[02:13] <Lounge> i'll check again in a bit and see
[02:13] <Lounge> maybe i didn't look fully
[02:14] <burner> you can "show all processes" if it's gnome-system-monitor
[02:14] <burner> it's probably set for "user processes" or your processes
[02:14] <Lounge> i also have conky set to moniter the top five processes
[02:15] <Lounge> monitor*
[02:15] <burner> and it sees nothing?
[02:15]  * burner remembers with gkrellm was cool
[02:16] <Lounge> well right now i'm booted up with 2.6.28-7 and am still waiting for this loop script to complete but after its don't, i'll reboot into 2.6.28-8 and hope i don't get a burnout lol
[02:16] <Lounge> after its done*
[02:18] <burner> here's hoping nouveau works and works well
[02:18] <Lounge> ya know whats odd is even now, conky is showing Xorg running on top at around 2 to 40% fluxing
[02:18] <dTx> Hi everyone, I'm running Jaunty and was wondering if there was a way to revert back from xorg-edgers to the regular xserver/drivers
[02:18] <burner> dTx: what's your card?
[02:19] <dTx> intel
[02:19] <dTx> using xserver-xorg-video-intel
[02:19] <Lounge> brb gonna get some eats
[02:19] <burner> what's edgers?
[02:19] <dTx> unstable X+drivers
[02:20]  * burner doesn't quite understand the question
[02:20] <dTx> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
[02:20] <dTx> I am using their repo
[02:20] <dTx> now I don't want to
[02:20] <dTx> I commented out the repo's but things won't downgrade on a dist-upgrade
[02:21] <burner> can you uninstall, then reinstall?
[02:21] <burner> it won't have the edgers repo to pull from, so jaunty repos will be the newerst
[02:22] <dTx> I was hoping there would be an easy way to do it
[02:22] <dTx> because it changes out xserver xorg drm etc.
[02:22] <dTx> like force it to use maximum version available in current repos
[02:22] <burner> for sure... i'm not hip enough to even know about xorg-edgers... sorry i'm no help
[02:23] <dTx> I was only hip to it because the intel drivers were pretty bad in Alpha 3
[02:23] <dTx> I don't know about now
[02:23] <dTx> Would like to try it
[02:23] <dTx> cuz edgers is a bit extreme for me
[02:23] <dTx> works one day and not the next
[02:26] <burner> sudo aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg ?
[02:27] <badpc> could someone tell me what exactly the dashboard is for?
[02:28] <dTx> why does aptitude always want to remove a bunch of packages
[02:28] <dTx> drives me crazy
[02:28] <dTx> that's why I use apt-get
[02:29] <burner> you can do "sudo apt-get autoremove" to remove the packages that aptitude is talking about
[02:34] <fde> dTx: aptitude wants to remove packages that were not explicitly installed...
[02:34] <fde> dTx: to stop that, explicitly request they be installed - it'll say "already installed" but it will then mark them as such
[02:35] <fde> dTx: it is intended to limit cruft on the system... if something stopped depending on a given package... why keep it around collecting dust?
[02:37] <ScislaC> I am going to reformat my drive for ext4 and am wondering, would it be faster to dd or rsync my partitions to an external drive? Otherwise, is there a benefit to either method I might be overlooking?
[02:38] <fde> ScislaC: DD would be faster, but rsync will do everything in one fall swoop
[02:40] <fde> ScislaC: You can however just edit /etc/fstab and change ext3 to ext4 and have the same benefits as keeping files that weren't created for ext4
[02:41] <fde> ScislaC: They are backwards compatible with the exception of extends ... which won't be applied to the new files anyway if you back them up and restore them
[02:41] <ScislaC> fde: won't it not be able to do "extents" or whatever that is supposed to be a benefit?
[02:41] <ScislaC> ahhhhhhhh
[02:41] <ScislaC> excellent to know
[02:42] <burner> you can add extents
[02:42] <fde> burner: umm, no you can't
[02:42] <burner> but it only works on new files... so by the time you upgrade all packages when jaunty is released, it should be extentified, no?
[02:42] <burner> http://buranen.info/?p=345 <--how to upgrade to ext4
[02:42] <ScislaC> thanks
[02:44] <ScislaC> burner: doesn't it also work that if I open a file, modify, and resave it that it would add extends to it then? or not?
[02:45] <fde> burner: if you add that option, sure files newly created will use extends but considering its feature freeze, I doubt too many files will be touched
[02:45] <burner> definitely maybe... I honestly don't know... i think it's extents and not extends though
[02:45] <burner> all of gnome will be touched...  a lot of xserver packages will be touched
[02:46] <fde> I would personally recommend just reformatting everything, and use google tools to backup anything you need in your home dir ... that way when they're pulling back in, they will be treated as new files, and won't have the fs options applied already
[02:47] <syockit> after adding extent, how do you ensure it's properly used? I've heard that to make full use of it, it's better to start with a clean slate
[02:48] <fde> (docs, picasa, bookmarks, calendar etc)
[02:48] <syockit> I'm thinking of something in the lines of copying the files around and moving it back in place
[02:48] <fde> syockit: that is what developers of ext4 are saying, yes... apparently burner knows better though
[02:49] <burner> lol
[02:51] <burner> supposedly the online defrag tool can add it
[02:52] <syockit> that tool isn't finished yet, right?
[02:53] <burner> probably... i don't have the command e4defrag, but I'm ready to run it when it's available ;)
[02:55] <syockit> is it going to be built-in, or be provided externally?
[02:58] <burner> i think it'll be in the kernel right?
[02:59] <burner> holy crap, we have new Mark Shuttleworth inspired notification windows
[03:00] <syockit> what's that? where, show me
[03:00] <burner> ooh, i like how it disappears when you hover
[03:00] <burner> change a song in rhythmbox :)
[03:01] <syockit> wait, what's the package name? is it replacing libnotify?
[03:02] <burner> got me, i just dist-upgraded today and now have it
[03:02] <syockit> is it indicator-applet?
[03:02] <syockit> gotta try it right away
[03:03] <burner> i wish i knew what else besides rhythmbox uses it... i'm curious how it works with multiple... hopefully it stacks them
[03:04] <syockit> evolution
[03:07] <syockit> ah, it seems it's a fork of libnotify. I wonder if it'll see mainstream usage. Right now, it's mostly conceptual IMO
[03:15] <Lounge> im back
[03:15] <burner> evolution doesn't do any popups for me... what else!  try something with multiple updates at a time?  does it stack em and have smooth animation?
[03:15] <burner> Lounge: with X via nouveau?
[03:15] <helo> has anyone had good luck with using jaunty with i945gm graphics chipset? (hp mini netbook)
[03:15] <Lounge> lol not yet still waiting for this loop script to finish
[03:16] <Stralytic> helo, my eee 1000h has i945gm, works fine
[03:16] <Lounge> remember that one liner i posted?
[03:16] <helo> Stralytic: notice speed improvements over intrepid?
[03:17] <Stralytic> helo, no, i haven't benchmarked anything though
[03:17] <helo> hrm...
[03:17] <Lounge> there's something interesting about lvm and cryptsetup and jaunty that i did see in intrepid or hardy and that is the "special divices" are present in jaunty
[03:17] <Lounge> that i didn't see*
[03:18] <Lounge> i didn't see any /dev/dm-* devices in 8.04 or 8.10 when the encrypted lvms were mounted
[03:18] <helo> i'm used to running debian unstable... is ubuntu+1 generally in the same ballpark of stability as unstable?
[03:18] <Lounge> but in jaunty, they're there and mounted
[03:19] <Lounge> is this a new thing? or was it something i did wrong?
[03:20] <Lounge> but anyhoo now that the lvm partitions are mounted as /dev/dm-1 to 7 i can read DiskIOs from each one by one instead of it being all one big IO
[03:22] <Lounge> basically the encrypted lvms are being mounted a special devices
[03:23] <Lounge> on my other partition, i have another linux on its own encrypted lvm group with one diference, that that group is raiding with the 2nd hdd
[03:24] <RAOF> helo: Give or take, yes.
[03:24] <Lounge> and im wondering because of raid1 that its not creating specieal devices out of them?
[03:24] <RAOF> helo: It's going to be substantially more stable than Debian unstable right now, since (a) we're in feature freeze, and (b) all the stuff in experimental's going to hit unstable now!
[03:25] <helo> nifty
[03:27] <Lounge> to be honest i wish i knew what i was doing most the time >_<
[04:18] <jumpkick> hi, wondering if there are any plans to package the GPL Hercules DJ Controller drivers in Ubuntu (http://ts.hercules.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=2&fid=28&pid=215&cid=1#section1) ?
[04:22] <Lounge> won't let me install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[04:22] <Lounge> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[04:22] <Lounge> saying "linux-nouveau-modules
[04:22] <Lounge> is not installed
[04:22] <Lounge> but it won't let me install that either
[04:23] <Lounge> DKMS tree already contains: nouveau-0.0.11+git20081220
[04:23] <Lounge> You cannot add the same module/version combo more than once.
[04:23] <Lounge> dependency problems
[04:49] <akio> boo!
[04:50] <Stralytic> omfg
[04:51] <akio> lollercopters
[04:51] <akio> im happy I just got a Dell SX280 with the refurbished mobo and a 1680x1050 screen session rockin out
[04:57] <akio> and the reason I'm using screen is: I totally should have timed out, but I just detached... shweet
[04:58]  * crdlb just upgraded 8.10 -> 9.04 without disconnecting from IRC
[04:59] <akio> 9.04 is nice
[04:59] <Stralytic> as long as you dont want any sound
[04:59] <jumpkick> yeah
[04:59] <akio> my pulse did break a few updates ago
[04:59] <jumpkick> lol
[05:00] <akio> but another one fixed it, shwatever
[05:00] <jumpkick> stutter, stutter
[05:00] <akio> also vlc stutters like hell
[05:00] <Stralytic> mine hasn't fixed yet, i guess i should update again
[05:00] <jumpkick> yup
[05:00] <jumpkick> and wine
[05:00] <akio> but on second attempt to play it is better
[05:00] <akio> what's up with thtat anyway? i thought pulse was the one to rule them all?
[05:01] <crdlb> yes?
[05:01] <Stralytic> i've seen lots of blogs complaining about pulse, and other blogs saying just wait they will fix it
[05:03] <Stralytic> hrmn, there's no update to anything sound related
[05:04] <Stralytic> i'm using lpia though, maybe it takes longer for the updates to come through
[05:10] <burner> my vlc blows ass too.. i have yet to figure out why
[05:10] <crdlb> it does ... what?
[05:11] <burner> video and audio stutters
[05:11] <Stralytic> what's the go with this indicator applet thing?
[05:29] <Lounge> ok im in linux-image-2.6.28-8-generic and everything is way slow
[05:29] <Lounge> the processor is being overworked on every process execution
[05:30] <Lounge> and i'm rebooting back into 2.6.28-8 before i have a melt down
[05:31] <Lounge> into 2.6.28-7*
[05:39] <akio> I know this sounds retarded but I can't figure out how to specify the directory prefix in my wgetr
[05:39] <akio> wgetrc*
[05:40] <Lounge> okay i fixed the nviduaand the gmd issue
[05:41] <Lounge> nvidia and or gmd not sure if they're both linked
[05:41] <Lounge> gdm*
[05:42] <Lounge> i had a missmatch with the linux-header version from the kernal-image
[05:43] <Lounge> so i removed nvidia-glx, linux-headers,
[05:43] <Lounge> did an autoremove
[05:43] <Lounge> and then did sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:44] <Lounge> made sure fakeroot was installed
[05:44] <Lounge> and then reinstalled the nvidia stuff
[05:44] <billybigrigger> i keep getting x11 driver not configured with opengl error when playing games
[05:55] <Lounge> i'd really like to use the root-terminal again
[05:57] <akio> what do you mean?
[05:58] <Lounge> there is the option to use the "root-terminal" but in jaunty it doesn't start
[05:58] <akio> where is that option?
[05:59] <akio> you mean on startup?
[05:59] <Lounge> now i know you can just open gnome-terminal and then typ su, but the root terminal is just something i've been using since debian
[05:59] <akio> drop to root shell?
[05:59] <akio> ahhh
[05:59] <akio> you get used to it
[05:59] <Lounge> no the root-terninal "gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator"
[05:59] <akio> it's actually better I think
[06:00] <akio> just remember sudo !!
[06:00] <Lounge> i know there's ctrl+alt+f1 - f6 for the tty sessions
[06:00] <Amaranth> Lounge: That runs the whole app as root, using sudo in a non-root gnome-terminal is better
[06:01] <Amaranth> But yeah, it should be removed from the menus or made to work (although it is hidden by default)
[06:01] <Lounge> yes it's hidden but i for one rather like it
[06:02] <Lounge> now if its decided by the majority to be removed from ubuntu then i'll respect that but i'd like say i would like to see it still live
[06:02] <akio> I would like to see some KMS action
[06:02] <crdlb> if you insist, I guess you could create a launcher of type Application in Terminal with 'sudo -i' for the command
[06:03] <Lounge> that doesn't work either
[06:03] <crdlb> (I did try it before suggesting it)
[06:03]  * akio Listens to enough whining at work
[06:03] <crdlb> using the panel
[06:04] <Lounge> i keep getting Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting.
[06:04] <akio> FAIL
[06:05] <Lounge> akio: unless you figured how to fix FConf, its been reported to not work in jaunty by many
[06:06] <Lounge> same for intrepid ibex
[06:07] <akio> didn't know there even was an FConf
[06:07] <Lounge> GConf*
[06:07] <Lounge> i typoed
[06:07] <akio> what do you mean fix it?
[06:07] <akio> whats the deal?
[06:07] <akio> mine works without issue...
[06:08] <akio> i have other broken stuff but thats mostly wishlist
[06:08] <akio> my biggest stink is the framebuffer support
[06:08] <Lounge> well i don't what's going on with gconf either
[06:08] <akio> and the intel driver breaks horribly in the middle of the night
[06:13] <akio> anybody know what the deal was with the gnome cd burner app?
[06:13] <akio> is that fixed yet?
[06:14] <DanaG> Anyone else have orca just plain not work?
[06:14] <akio> never even tried to use it
[06:14] <DanaG> The list of available speech engines... is completely disabled (as in, empty and thus why bother enabling it).
[06:14] <DanaG> Oh, and:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/331311
[06:14] <DanaG> Ugly black still clashes quite violently with everything around it.
[06:16] <crdlb> DanaG: oh, I just upgraded and I was wondering what that box was
[06:17] <DanaG> It's ugly, that's what.
[06:17] <DanaG> And the mouseover blinking is distracting.
[06:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and now changing my icon theme results in my whole desktop blinking to blank once.
[06:22] <akio> IntuitiveNipple: love the name
[06:27] <DanaG> argh, yeah, orca is broken.
[06:27] <DanaG> I don't actually need it, but it still sucks that it's broken -- it means it's probably broken for some other people, too.
[06:47] <akio> I want BTRFS and KMS
[06:47] <akio> now!
[06:48]  * DanaG wants power management for his danged R600.
[06:48] <DanaG> 3D and KMS can wait... my battery life sucks more importantly.
[06:52] <DanaG> What is up with that broken orca?
[07:02] <DanaG> Stupid whale.
[07:02] <DanaG> orca.
[07:16] <syockit> akio: go compile .29 kernel and enable btrfs
[07:17] <crdlb> wow, that's cool
[07:18] <syockit> I always try to trim every bit of my kernel, but overtrimming always causes 1 or 2 things to stop working. Last time, it was the sound
[07:18] <crdlb> I install apt-file and it automatically prompts me to generate its db
[07:18] <crdlb> because all those modules which don't get loaded consume so much theoretical memory?
[07:25] <akio1> yeesh
[07:32] <akio1> les: big les?
[07:36] <akio1> wtf?
[08:08] <cwillu> crdlb, think of the theoretical children!
[08:12] <akio1> ?
[08:12] <syockit> ....
[08:27] <TuTUXG> just wondering, how to reload pulseaudio?
[08:31] <TuTUXG> nvm
[08:32] <syockit> ....
[08:45] <DanaG> Gotta' love those BLANK rectangles for notifications.
[08:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/331311
[08:47] <DanaG> fix released?  oh really?
[08:47] <ian1> and some notification showed up as a wire outline
[08:47] <syockit> i wonder if the bug should go there? I thought the new notification is in package indicator-applet
[08:51] <DanaG> Great, now all icon themes will need an additional set of like 20 icons.
[08:51] <DanaG> Lovely.
[08:51] <DanaG> ... and the blinking on hover... is also.... lovely.
[08:57] <ziroday> DanaG: its cause the notifications don't follow the freedesktop specs
[08:58] <ziroday> DanaG: and they'll have issues with compiz iirc
[08:58] <DanaG> ugh.
[08:58] <ziroday> DanaG: if they didn't suck before, they sure do now!
[08:59] <crdlb> err, they didn't put icons in hicolor as a fallback?
[08:59] <DanaG> Nope.
[08:59] <DanaG> Not in highcolor.
[08:59] <DanaG> Only in Human.
[08:59] <crdlb> genius
[09:00] <DanaG> Oh, and the blinking when you hit brightness-up when already at max... also lame.
[09:00] <DanaG> iT'S even worse going down.
[09:00] <DanaG> Then it's all twitchy-glitchy.
[09:00] <DanaG> ... especially if you let the key repeat.
[09:00] <DanaG> Same for volume.
[09:00] <DanaG> Try holding volume-down.
[09:01] <ziroday> heh I'm almost scared to upgrade
[09:01] <crdlb> I presume this only happens with working icons?
[09:01] <DanaG> Yeah.
[09:02] <DanaG> Oh, and the black... hardcoded black?
[09:02] <DanaG> It clashes wildly with my desktop theme.
[09:02] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[09:03] <DanaG> Yes, I admit I can't see my icons... but there aren't many there TO see.
[09:03] <DanaG> I have gone back to a full bottom panel, though.
[09:04] <ziroday> DanaG: whats the point of two docks?
[09:05] <DanaG> I was going to try to get the all-window taskbar thing, but it didn't work.
[09:06] <DanaG> HP's netbook theme:  http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-glassybleu.png
[09:06] <DanaG> First dark theme I've ever seen that's dark and yet cheerful.
[09:16] <cwillu> DanaG, 404
[09:16] <DanaG> try up a level...
[09:16] <cwillu> lowercase screenshot
[09:16] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[09:16] <DanaG> yeah.
[09:17] <DanaG> case-sensitive server.
[09:17] <DanaG> That's also my normal panel setup, by the way.
[09:17] <cwillu> source?
[09:17] <cwillu> ah, nvm ;p
[09:18] <DanaG> source for theme?
[09:18] <cwillu> yes
[09:18] <cwillu> kinda wish the vista button fad would die though
[09:19] <DanaG> It's HP's netbook theme -- available on the Canonical repo, though not publicized anywhere.
[09:19] <DanaG> Add the deb-src from here:  http://h30434.www3.hp.com/psg/board/message?board.id=OS&thread.id=3598
[09:19] <DanaG> and then apt-get source glassy-bleu-theme.
[09:21] <DanaG> I still like my rather flashy background.
[09:21] <DanaG> Sure, I can't see my icons, but I don't have anything there I can't reach from somewhere else:
[09:22]  * cwillu hasn't seen his desktop in a while
[09:22] <DanaG> HP_Tools (EFI) volume, SDHC card, Vista partition, Desktop (link back to ~), Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos, Gnome-Terminal, and wmhdplop shortcut.
[09:22] <DanaG> ... and occasionally a few other files.
[09:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I did color-match the orange.  =þ
[09:24] <DanaG> That glassy-bleu theme is a pixmap theme, by the way.
[09:47] <nm> Hi here. I installed Jaunty on my laptop. Everything goes well (except some bugs with evolution) but I have no dhcp anymore. When I type "sudo dhclient", here is the result :
[09:47] <nm> http://pastebin.com/d58654ae
[09:57] <Oli``> Can anybody suggest a reason my computer doesn't remember that I want visual effects enabled? Each time I start I have to re-enable them.
[09:57] <nm> nobody can help me?
[09:57] <nm> I don't really understand what's the problem
[09:59] <nm> I had a connection problem. I don't see if someone helped me. So I post my question again : Hi here. I installed Jaunty on my laptop. Everything goes well (except some bugs with evolution) but I have no dhcp anymore. When I type "sudo dhclient", here is the result :
[09:59] <nm> http://pastebin.com/d58654ae
[09:59] <balachmar> Will the nvidia driver in jaunty support CUDA out of the box?
[10:06] <ikonia> nm: you have to specify and interface
[10:06] <ikonia> nm: just jus dhclicent
[10:07] <nm> ^^ is it new? On hardy, "sudo dhclient" was working.
[10:14] <nm> ikonia: I juste tried it and I got the same error
[10:14] <nm> just*
[10:14] <ikonia> nm: ifconfig - a do you see your network card
[10:15] <nm> ikonia -> Can't create addrlist socket
[10:15] <nm> ikonia : yes, I'm on that computer
[10:15] <ikonia> nm: then why are you doing dhclicent if your on it and obviously connected ?
[10:15] <nm> ikonia : if I configure a static ip, it is working, but not bu dhcp
[10:16] <ikonia> nm: when how are you testing it as you're still connected ?
[10:17] <nm> ikonia: the dhcpclient make nothing. It crashed with that error message
[10:17] <nm> ikonia: that's the point
[10:17] <ikonia> nm: your on a card already running
[10:17] <nm> ikonia: and?
[10:17] <ikonia> nm: reboot - and do "sudo dhclicent eth0" or whatever your card is
[10:18] <nm> ikonia: already tried! and even is an interface is up, make a dhclient launch the dhcp mechanism
[10:18] <cwillu> ikonia, it should still be reconfiguring the interface
[10:18] <nm> ikonia: I did it so many times
[10:18] <cwillu> according to the man page at least
[10:18] <ikonia> cwillu: yeah, I've seen it hang on a card in use (not that error admitidly)
[10:18] <nm> if* not is
[10:19] <balachmar> How is jaunty these days?
[10:19] <ikonia> balachmar: still in development
[10:20] <nm> ikonia, cwillu: my jaunty is an update of hardy. I only replaced the sources.list and starting updating.
[10:21] <nm> ikonia, cwillu: no idea with that dhcp problem?
[10:21] <ikonia> nm: I suspect it's something to do with your install, dhclicent in general is working on my junty physical box, and my vm
[10:22] <nm> ikonia: I suspect it also. But I remove it (with --purge) and reinstall it, and nothing changed
[10:22] <nm> removed*
[10:22] <balachmar> ikonia: Of course I know, but just curious, since I want to give it a try in a VM the nest week.
[10:23] <ikonia> balachmar: one day good, next bad, try it, it's pointless asking
[10:23] <balachmar> ikonia: But if everyone here says it is still way too buggy, I might wait a little longer...
[10:23] <balachmar> Aah I see.
[10:23] <ikonia> balachmar: everyeone has different hardware/requirments - try it - see for yourself, working %100 great for me, could be %2 good for you
[10:24] <balachmar> ikonia: Well, that would be a downside of testing in vm... That the hardware is almost the same for everyone, although they really use other shardware.
[10:32] <nm> balachmar : there is at least one bug on my computer : the dhcp client mechanism is not working anymore and I really don't understand why ^^
[10:32] <nm> balachmar: but it seems I'm the only one
[10:36] <nm> ikonia: be carefull of speaking when you don't know the matter. Everything you said about dhcp is false : no need to specify the interface (in that cas, the dhcp request is made on every interfaces that is up), and we don't need to reboot to make a dhcp request (this is a nonsense)
[10:37] <ikonia> nm: re-read what I said, that's not what I said
[10:37] <ikonia> nm: I said specify the interface - this makes sure there is no confusion, more so if there is multiple interfaces in your machine, rebooting seems a simple and effective way of making sure nothing was locking the card for a clean test
[12:22] <Lounge> k the problem with gdm and nvidia-glx refusing to work was (for me) due to a mismatch in versions between the linux-headers and linux-image
[12:24] <Lounge> but that might just be one fix which happen to work for my situation
[12:37] <timing> why do my keyboard shortcuts always get deleted halfway during updates on alpha releases?
[12:38] <timing> a wek ago I still had my keyboard shortcuts
[12:38] <timing> and just yet they are gone
[12:38] <timing> and i'm running jaunty for longer thana month now
[12:41] <Lounge> timing: whats the app that manages the kb shortcuts?
[12:41] <timing> that compiz manager thing
[12:42] <Lounge> my guess is that on every update, the config file is getting overwritten with fresh one
[12:43] <timing> yeah
[12:43] <timing> but it would be soooo sweet if some settings are kept
[12:43] <Lounge> try exporting your configuration as a backup file
[12:43] <timing> I still do have my expose settings
[12:43] <Lounge> and just import it back in after the updates
[12:44] <timing> yeah bluh
[12:47] <Lounge> well so far jaunty is running good and fast but...im not touching kernel 2.6.28-8 with a ten foot pole until it gets fixed better
[12:48] <Lounge> almost cooked my cores
[12:50] <Lounge> 2.6.28-7 is very fast smooth. i don't know what got changed in 8 to make it so heavy on the processor
[12:51] <timing> anyone else having a slow compiz btw?
[12:51] <crdlb> timing: what GPU?
[12:52] <crdlb> and depending on what keyboard shortcuts you're talking about, you may need to enable the new "Commands" plugin in ccsm
[12:52] <timing> crdlb: k thanks
[12:52] <Lounge> no "CPU" and the over all process load
[12:53] <Lounge> oh wait
[12:53] <timing> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[12:53] <timing> crdlb: that one
[12:53] <Lounge> that was twards someone else
[12:53] <timing> worked in last stable
[12:53] <crdlb> hrm
[12:54] <crdlb> it might help to switch to the UXA AccelMethod
[12:55] <crdlb> Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"   in Section "Device"
[12:55] <timing> crdlb: okay, where do i do that? because the xorg.conf file is pretty small
[12:55] <timing> without any display settings and stuff
[12:56] <timing> only some defaults
[12:57] <crdlb> do you have a Device section?
[12:57] <timing> yeah
[12:57] <crdlb> so you can put it there
[12:57] <timing> but things like driver and resolution are gone
[12:58] <crdlb> it's fine if it's the only line other than the identifier
[12:58] <timing> k
[12:58] <timing> well, brb
[13:23] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[13:23] <elvirolo>  i'm trying to install ubuntu without a CD, via an ISO image of the install disk stored on /dev/sda1. I managed to boot ok, but the installer won't mount /dev/sda1 to go and find the iso image
[13:24] <maxb> wait, you've got the actual iso on the filesystem, no the contents?
[13:25] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Is sda an fixed-disk or something removable?
[13:25] <maxb> *no
[13:25] <maxb> *not
[13:25] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: yeah, it does sound intriguing :)
[13:26] <maxb> It's a reasonable mistake to make, I have, in the past, found docs which hinted that you could do that, but they didn't work, so I conclude that the docs meant the contents of the iso, but were misleading.
[13:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmm, but the 'boot ok' bit...?
[13:28] <IntuitiveNipple> If it has booted like a live-CD, sda1 will be mounted on a loop device, so trying to mount it again won't work
[13:28] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: fixed (laptop hd)
[13:29] <elvirolo> it says "device busy" when i try to mount it
[13:29] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Can you explain your configuration a little more? It is confusing us right now
[13:31] <elvirolo> Ok sry. I don't have any Ubuntu CD's with me, so I decided to install jaunty, in order to test it, from my opensuse installation. I created an ext3 partition on /dev/sda1, which contains the jaunty alternate cd iso file. I modified my menu.lst in order for Grub to boot on /dev/sda1. It all starts fine, but then i says it can't find the iso image, and thus can't install the system
[13:33] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: So, on sda1, did you *extract* the ISO file contents so the directories and files are there, or is it just the single ISO file?
[13:34] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: well it says in the official documentation that one should simply copy the iso file
[13:34] <elvirolo> not its content
[13:34] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: The way I do those things is to use a virtual machine, boot it from an ISO image and have the raw /dev/sda attached to the VM. I've not tried the method you're using.
[13:34] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Do you have the URL to that documentation?
[13:35] <ali1234> the way i do it is to just use unetbootin to unpack it onto a usb drive :P
[13:36] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: yes sure https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux it's in "alternate cd", procedure 2
[13:36] <elvirolo> ali1234: yeah i tried unetbootin, but it didn't work
[13:36] <ali1234> works great on my AAO :)
[13:36] <IntuitiveNipple> I prefer doing all test installs into VMs, so I have my regular environment to hand with all my tools and net access
[13:37] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: yeah, but i'd like to install ubuntu anyway (intrepid if not jaunty) instead of opensuse anyway
[13:37] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: We may be getting confused, but the way you described it was that you've got the single ISO file there. Those instructions however detail how to copy the contents of the ISO image
[13:38] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: sry it's procedure 1 not 2
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: See "Step 2"
[13:38] <ali1234> elvirolo: intrepid was rather rough, i would wait for jaunty. it can't really be worse
[13:38] <elvirolo> Step 2. Copy your alternate ISO to the root of the partition you created in step 1. You need to copy the ISO itself rather than the contents of the ISO.
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> oh the *Alternate* - sorry!
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm asleep already!
[13:39] <elvirolo> :)
[13:41] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: In step 4 of those instructions it refers to the path that the kernel and initrd images are in, and in the example uses /install/ - is your configuration the same as that?
[13:42] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Also in Step 5, it talks about making sure to specify a seed file on the kernel command line
[13:42] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: no, i put the files in the root of the partition, so i put /vmlinuz
[13:42] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Also in Step 4., I meant.
[13:43] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: okay
[13:44] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: So the installer boots and you go through the menus?
[13:44] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: that's right
[13:44] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: ooooh hang on!!! Are you trying to install *to* sda1 ?
[13:45] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: As well as running the installer from there?
[13:46] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: no no
[13:46] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: okay.... phew :)
[13:46] <elvirolo> lol
[13:47] <elvirolo> but no i didn't use a preseed
[13:47] <elvirolo> i'll try
[13:47] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: I notice that in the intro to the Alternate version, it talks about Procedure 1 being suitable for Gutsy, but Procedure 2 for Hardy... it doesn't mention Intrepid/Jaunty, but I wonder if the problem is that Jaunty installer no longer supports that method?
[13:48] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Where it says: "Procedure 1 below has been used successfully with Gutsy (Ubuntu 7.10) and Procedure 2 with Hardy (Ubuntu 8.04)"
[13:48] <IntuitiveNipple> we might infer from that, that procedure 1 doesn't work with Hardy ( and maybe also Intrepid/Jaunty)
[13:49] <elvirolo> ah, yes maybe
[13:50] <elvirolo> never mind, i'll just try and find a cd
[13:50] <elvirolo> thanks a lot for your help anyway :)
[13:50] <IntuitiveNipple> elvirolo: Use a VM :p
[13:51] <elvirolo> IntuitiveNipple: yup :)
[13:51] <elvirolo> (i still have to install ubuntu, though, i'm fed up with opensuse)
[14:18] <ripps> FINALLY! It seems the radeon RV350 freezing bug has been fixed. I've been using the updated driver for a while now, with EXA and AccelDFS, and things work great.
[14:18] <ripps> Now, here's hoping the squash the bugs in the new Notify-OSD
[14:19] <SiDi> hello
[14:26] <savvas> has anyone tried rhythmbox radio? Couldn't start playback - A text/uri-list decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed.
[14:29] <savvas> hm.. (rhythmbox:13957): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Could not open device /dev/radio0
[14:49]  * akio1 test
[14:49] <akio1> test
[14:49] <akio1> hmmm
[14:50] <mjc> hm.  I'm trying to roll my own kernel debs with make-kpkg but when it is installing, it tells me to make my own initrd.  what am I missing :/
[15:18] <nomego> hey guys
[15:19] <nomego> how do I compile a new ubuntu kernel in jaunty?
[15:20] <TheInfinity> like in every ubuntu version
[15:20] <nomego> I tried following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile but I failed on the way
[15:20] <nomego> packagess that didn't exist, etc
[15:21] <nomego> I don't want to compile a vanilla one
[15:23] <TheInfinity> nomego: then you should look for the packages which dont exist etc
[15:24] <nomego> anyone who has actually compiled a custom kernel in here?
[15:33] <DrHalan> does the new indicator-deamon already work with pidgin?
[15:34] <idorock89> DrHalan: no
[15:34] <DrHalan> sucks .
[15:34] <idorock89> from what i heard only with evolution i think
[15:34] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: no
[15:34] <idorock89> till now
[15:35] <BUGabundo> and pidgin devs will not work on it
[15:35] <idorock89> mostly will change soon
[15:35] <BUGabundo> so unless some of us do the work, it will not change
[15:35] <BUGabundo> and the lib notify now sucks
[15:35] <DrHalan> thats what i wondered isn't it using libnotify?
[15:37] <idorock89> in the promo video that mark had on his blog he used empathy which i like a lot
[15:37] <idorock89> so maybe that will support it soon enough if it doesnt already
[15:37] <DrHalan> its not a video but a flash animaton..
[15:38] <Pici> It was a mockup
[15:39] <idorock89> DrHalan: yes i knw but in that it still was shown as using empathy so maybe has some significance
[15:40] <idorock89> Pici: ^^
[15:40] <badp> Hello. Is the 9.04 beta so similar to 8.10 as the release notes seem to say?
[15:41] <BUGabundo> badp: no beta yet
[15:41] <BUGabundo> just alpha5
[15:41] <badp> *alpha 5
[15:41] <DrHalan> isn't it a bit stupid to put that into main already if they dont have plugins for all ubuntu appsyet?
[15:41] <badp> Other alpha's used to be choke full with new stuff...
[15:41] <idorock89> badp: there are changes as compared to 8.10 but probably 9.10 will have a lot lot stuf as it got delayed for 9.04
[15:42] <idorock89> still has a lot of stuff and new changes
[15:42] <badp> Cool.
[15:42] <idorock89> DrHalan: yeah agree with u . but probably by the release time things will be sorted out
[15:43] <idorock89> and mark said that 9.04 will have a fallback notification system aas weelll
[15:43] <DrHalan> badp: what i really miss in 9.4 is the wine integration that was proposed already some while ago
[15:44] <badp> Hm... wine integration? You mean the Wine menu under Applications?
[15:45] <DrHalan> no i mean things like setting windows version etc trough nautilus
[15:45] <DrHalan> badp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFBFyE2QaN0 here :)
[15:46] <bazookatooth> ever since i upgraded, i haven't been able to get nvidia xconfig set up correctly... its driving me crazy.
[15:47] <DrHalan> bazookatooth: why? its working perfectly heere
[15:47] <bazookatooth> i have no idea why..... i'm currently using one monitor
[15:59] <DrHalan> lol the new popup-settings stuff is totally useless if you use the new daemon ^^
[16:00] <BUGabundo> mvo: ping
[16:00] <BUGabundo> are you around ?
[16:00] <mvo> BUGabundo: yes
[16:00] <BUGabundo> question:
[16:00] <BUGabundo> does _current_ UM make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> fta and I ended up without it
[16:01] <BUGabundo> so we did not get the new notification-osd
[16:03] <BUGabundo> mvo: ping ?
[16:03] <BUGabundo> did you got sleepy ? eheh
[16:04] <bazookatooth> whenever i try to enable the 2nd monitor, i get "Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'CRT-0: 1600x1200_60 @1600x1200 +0+0, DFP-0: NULL, DFP-1: nvidia-auto-select @1600x1200 +1920+0' (Mode 3520x1200, id: 52) on X screen 0."
[16:04] <mvo> BUGabundo: it should
[16:04] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:04] <mvo> BUGabundo: was this with a partial upgrade? or a intrepid->jaunty upgrade? or a regular update?
[16:04] <BUGabundo> cause fta missed it since early 2008
[16:04] <BUGabundo> even with distupgrade
[16:05] <BUGabundo> and I already installed mine on jaunty, and it went missing again
[16:05] <BUGabundo> from time to time, I run UM -d
[16:05] <BUGabundo> not sure it makes anything if I'm already on trunk
[16:06] <BUGabundo> mvo: one more question: how does UM know its xubuntu and not Ubuntu ?
[16:06] <BUGabundo> 'cause a friend of mine did UM -d on xubuntu ibex and ended up on Ubuntu jaunty
[16:07] <fde> BUGabundo: it doesn't need to know... it just updates the packages that are installed... you'll want the -desktop metapackage around though if you want to try new features
[16:08] <BUGabundo> but if UM makes sure that ubuntu-desktop is there
[16:08] <BUGabundo> it needs to know its xubuntu and not ubuntu
[16:08] <fde> BUGabundo: I would guess he took advice without thinking in that case... update-manager just runs safe-upgrade and if things change drastically enough, it will prompt about a dist upgrade (even within jaunty)
[16:09] <fde> BUGabundo: like I said, it doesn't care... it treats that metapackage no different from any other package...
[16:09] <mvo> BUGabundo: it checks for metapackages it knows about
[16:09] <mvo> BUGabundo: if it can not find one, it checks for likely ones (i.e. if you have ubuntu-usplash-artwork installed, most likely ubuntu, etc)
[16:10] <fde> mvo: umm, no it doesn't... upgrading from intrepid to jaunty will not automatically install ubuntu-desktop if the user removed it
[16:10] <fde> mvo: if that changed since the last time I did it, I would suggest that is a bug.
[16:10] <mvo> fde: it should, if it is not doing this, thats a bug
[16:10] <BUGabundo> well there was a bug about it
[16:11] <BUGabundo> and that lead to UM to make sure ubu-desk was in there
[16:11] <mvo> fde: under some circumstance it may not guess correctly, but generally speaking it should add the right meta-package on release upgrades
[16:11] <fde> mvo: why should it be doing it? if I want fancy pictures during boot, it should not assume I want a bunch of random software I do not care for
[16:11] <idorock89> guys just read on forums that new notifications work with pidgin now
[16:11] <idorock89> DrHalan: ^^
[16:12] <mvo> fde: it needs to do it in order to ensure that new additions to the metapackages get instaled (new features, new defaults). it will not do it on the server install, but for the desktop upgrade it will
[16:12] <idorock89> So my ques is that can anyone confirm whether it works with empathy or not?
[16:12] <mvo> there is a switch though
[16:12] <idorock89> ?
[16:12] <DrHalan> idorock89: how why what whooo? :P
[16:12] <fde> idorock89: they always did if you had pidgins libnotify plugin
[16:12] <mvo> (to turn that off, but can't remember from the top of my head what it was :)
[16:13] <fde> mvo: thing is, if I don't want those new features, I just want new software, I shouldn't be forced to do that
[16:13] <mvo> fde: well, apt-get or synaptic will not force it on you, but the automatic upgrade will. I think its fine for 99% of the cases, if you really feel strong about it, apt-get/synaptic will perform the upgrade just fine
[16:14] <mvo> (it just requires a bit more manual work to do the manual cleanup of the obsolete packages and checking the upgrade notes)
[16:14] <mvo> again, this is just for release upgrades (intrepid->jaunty)
[16:14] <fde> mvo: I just think its a pain... if I just tell it to upgrade release without thinking, I should not have to then spend an hour cleaning things up again
[16:15] <mvo> not intrepid->intrepid-updates etc
[16:15] <mvo> fde: I'm curious, what is it you clean up/out ?
[16:15] <fde> People remove stuff for a reason - usually because the don't want them.
[16:15] <mvo> note that it will also not re-add stuff that was recommended
[16:15] <mvo> just the dependencies, that is a pretty core ste
[16:16] <mvo> right, if the system is far enough from ubuntu-dekstop (or anyone of the other meta-packages) it will leave it alone
[16:16] <mvo> this is for the "I removed something by accident and now I have no ubuntu-desktop" anymore case
[16:17] <fde> mvo: rhythmbox, totem, vinegre (no point with tsclient, can't believe that has been overlooked for 3 releases now), transmission, I think that's all?
[16:17] <mvo> rhythmbox, totem are recommends
[16:17] <mvo> vinagree too
[16:17] <mvo> so they will not get re-added
[16:17] <DrHalan> fde: no pidgin libnotify here shows a regual dialog box as notification
[16:18] <mvo> fde: it will only add new recommends (that were not part of the previous package recommends)
[16:18] <fde> mvo: Are you a dev by the way? What is the rationale behind having two frontends to VNC in the default install? I thought Ubuntu was going to clean out duplicate functionality a few releases back?
[16:19] <mvo> fde: I am a ubuntu developer, but I do not know the another to this question, sorry
[16:19] <fde> mvo: I use aptitude exclusively, so it would be an annoyance... but its just an extra switch I suppose.
[16:20] <fde> mvo: any chance to can inquire for me? tsclient is probably a better VNC client overall, and offers RDP too... silly to even include Vinegre, even if it is part of Gnome now  :/
[16:21] <fde> DrHalan: file a bug then... not sure what else pidgin would be doing though that wouldn't be using indicator
[16:21] <fde> that would be*
[16:22] <fde> mvo: ahh, seems its on purpose... they have disabled VNC support in tsclient... annoying
[16:22]  * fde goes to file a bug
[16:25] <idorock89> DrHalan: now pidgin is using the new notification system as of now
[16:25] <idorock89> if u have all updates and all installed though would like to knw the current status of empathy. if someone could try
[16:26] <DrHalan> ah i seee
[16:26] <DrHalan> wait i reastart pidign
[16:27] <DrHalan> yay it works: )
[16:27] <idorock89> DrHalan: lucky u.
[16:27] <idorock89> pleas post a screenshot
[16:27] <idorock89> a
[16:27] <idorock89> a
[16:27] <DrHalan> but still
[16:28] <idorock89> and tell me for what all events sdoes it notify
[16:28] <idorock89> can we set that?
[16:28] <DrHalan> it is always on top right no matter how is set it
[16:29] <idorock89> that all can be set in system pop up notifications. if it doesnt work for u its a bug will get resolved ssoon. now for some screenshots pls
[16:31] <DrHalan> idorock89: http://www.image-ant.org/show.py?image=46bb79443792fdc869e77b8b128de322.png there ya go
[16:31] <idorock89> thx mate
[16:31] <idorock89> now could u tell me when all it gives notifications like for what all events?
[16:32] <DrHalan> like you set it, online , offline, msg
[16:34] <ali1234> what program is the icon of tux playing guiter?
[16:34] <DrHalan> tuxguitar
[16:34] <ali1234> i see :)
[16:34] <DrHalan> itsl ike gutiar pro ^^ kinda nice :)
[16:34] <idorock89> ok DrHalan from ur screenshot i can see that u have empathy installed so could u see if it works with new notifications
[16:35] <idorock89> DrHalan:  also which theme u using there?
[16:36] <DrHalan> empathy has notifications?
[16:36] <DrHalan> dust i
[16:36] <DrHalan> you can get it via the package "community-themes"
[16:37] <idorock89> DrHalan: ok. lools good if i say so myself will it be in the default installation of jaunty.doesnt matter if it is set as default or not
[16:38] <DrHalan> i dont think so it has been around for a while now
[16:38] <idorock89> was it in intrepid?
[16:38] <ali1234> it's the default in ubuntu-studio, so i heard
[16:38] <fde> idorock89: that is pidgin, not empathy...
[16:38] <DrHalan> yes if you installed community-themes
[16:39] <idorock89> fde:  yeah i know i want to knw whether empathy works with new notification or not? so if anyone can check?pls
[16:39] <fde> idorock89: empathy is in universe afaik, so probably not
[16:40] <DrHalan> does empathy work with libnotify at all??
[16:40] <idorock89> DrHalan: yeah i think so. tahts why it should use it. so if someone checks
[16:41] <DrHalan> i tried but iddnt find any plugins or so :S
[16:41] <DrHalan> hope taht emapthy will be default in 9.10
[16:42] <DrHalan> if they tweak the interface a little. It is a lot more stable because of telepathy
[16:43] <idorock89> yeah i wish taht too but its not happening
[16:43] <idorock89> but i am nearly 100% sure taht it will be default for 9.10
[16:43] <idorock89> bcoz then empathy will have too many new feaatures like geolocation and better ui for voice video chat and other many new stuff
[16:43] <DrHalan> not to mention file transfer ;9
[16:43] <DrHalan> big thing that has been missing
[16:43] <ali1234> can't say i like the look of empathy. i suppose i'll get used to it though. and i am getting a bit tired of pidgin constantly crashing
[16:43] <DrHalan> the only thing taht buggs me is missing meta-contacts
[16:44] <idorock89> DrHalan: yeah but pidgin has that too i think. and in empathy it works only with jabber and salut
[16:44] <idorock89> so needs some more work with empathy
[16:44] <DrHalan> jabber is by far the ost important protocol
[16:44] <ali1234> hmm meta-contacts means grouping a person's MSN, jabber, googletalk etc into a single seamless contact?
[16:44] <DrHalan> jap
[16:44] <idorock89> DrHalan: that is there in roadmap for empathy but still long way off i think for gnome 3
[16:44] <ali1234> cos i REALLY need that...
[16:45] <DrHalan> i know
[16:45] <DrHalan> and i dont get why they postpone that feature
[16:45] <idorock89> DrHalan: jabber is used only by geeks no one lese uses it everyone is using gtalk,y!im,msn or aim
[16:46] <DrHalan> idorock89: what i mean is taht working on a closed protocol is nonesense
[16:46] <RomD> are there gonna be any more bugfixes regarding xserver / multi monitor usage in jaunty? alpha 4 is completely broken on my triple screen setup
[16:46] <DrHalan> afaik teh new msn messenger supports jabber
[16:46] <idorock89> DrHalan: that requires a lot of work on various components i think
[16:47] <idorock89> DrHalan: really? i thought ms would never support a open protocol
[16:47] <ali1234> i don't think anyone outside of america uses aim or yahoo :)
[16:48] <RomD> hardy works fine. intrepid's places shortcuts just open on the primary screen. jaunty makes all apps open on the primary screen too
[16:48] <idorock89> ali1234: buddy trust me i am frm india and many many use yahoo here
[16:48] <idorock89> aim not really
[16:49] <ali1234> in europe people seems to exclusively use MSN (but it's more myspace and facebook now)
[16:49] <DrHalan> ali1234: nobody in germany does. they all use icq .(
[16:49] <ali1234> hehe
[16:49] <ali1234> this is why we need meta-contacts
[16:51] <DrHalan> http://www.liveside.net/main/archive/2007/10/31/messenger-9-gtalk-integration-messenger-api-new-client-for-mac-os-x-news-unveiled-at-georgia-tech-presentation-whew.aspx
[16:51] <ali1234> i think MS are gonna put facebook into windows live messenger... i signed into my hotmail earlier and it asked me if i wanted to add a bunch of people to my "network"
[16:51] <DrHalan> i hope this comes true and we can chat with msn people directly trough jabber
[16:59] <fde> Anyone happen to know the bug # off hand for the intel graphics issues?
[17:01] <fde> I'm retarded, its easily findable via the topic
[17:27] <cumulus007> I'm trying to install kubuntu-desktop on uubntu jaunty, but the installation fails on kdelibs-data
[17:27] <cumulus007> it says there is no space left on device, but there's 33 GB free!
[17:32] <badp> I'm trying to figure out whether my Intel Integrated Graphics Chipset is one of those affected by the bug
[17:33] <idorock89> next ubuntu name is supposed to be karmic koala
[17:33] <badp> So far I can see it's a "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller"
[17:33] <idorock89> anyone got that mail frm mark yet?
[17:35] <badp> *As
[17:35] <badp> Any idea?
[17:37] <bruce89> shame they didn't go with my "Klueless Kludgemonster"
[17:42] <idorock89> bruce89 i think i know why they didnt go with that
[17:53] <cumulus007> I don't like the new name
[17:54] <bruce89> there's a shock
[17:54] <cumulus007> btw
[17:54] <cumulus007> my package systrem is broken
[17:54] <cumulus007> in jaunty
[17:55] <bruce89> in what way?
[17:55] <cumulus007> because apt says there is no space left on the hard disk, but there is as much as 33 GB free space
[17:55] <cumulus007> I'm trying to install kubuntu-desktop
[17:55] <cumulus007> but when apt installs kdelibs-data, apt says:
[17:55] <cumulus007> dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu8_all.deb (--unpack):
[17:55] <cumulus007>  kan `./usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/devices/mo_mount.png' niet aanmaken: Geen ruimte meer over op apparaat
[17:56] <cumulus007> in English, this means
[17:56] <bruce89> is there actually space left on / ?
[17:56] <cumulus007> dpkg: an error occured during installtion of ... , couldn't create ... : no space left on device
[17:56] <cumulus007> where?
[17:57] <bruce89> the / mount place
[17:57] <cumulus007> there is
[17:57] <cumulus007> nautilus says there is 33 GB free
[17:58] <bruce89> perhaps apt-get autoclean
[17:58] <cumulus007> makes no sense
[17:58] <bruce89> no, I suppose it doesn't
[17:59] <cumulus007> Baoab says 11 % of the disk is used
[18:00] <bruce89> but I assume there's only one partition, not a separate /home one
[18:00] <cumulus007> only one partition
[18:00] <cumulus007> sda1 is ext4, contains /
[18:00] <cumulus007> sdb1 is swap
[18:00] <cumulus007> sdb2 is a seperate ext4 partition for storage
[18:00] <bruce89> och well, must be a bug of some description
[18:01] <cumulus007> I searched launchpad, and there is no known bug about this
[18:01] <DrHalan> cumulus007: i had this too once. try restarting..seriously ^^
[18:01] <DrHalan> but hey ive ext4 too maybe its a bug in the filesystem?
[18:02] <bruce89> sounds likely
[18:03] <cumulus007> ah
[18:03] <cumulus007> stupid ext4
[18:03] <cumulus007> is there a GUI method to enable ctrl+alt+backspace again?
[18:04] <cumulus007> I granted myself in the Authorization program
[18:04] <cumulus007> but it doesn't make sense
[18:06] <bruce89> cumulus007: I don't think so
[18:09] <DrHalan> you shouldnt need it
[18:10] <DrHalan> use ctrl alt + f2 or so
[18:12] <cumulus0071> DrHalan: you saved my day
[18:13] <DrHalan> then you can do like killall wahtever app you want ;)
[18:13] <DrHalan> hehe no problem cumulus0071 ;)
[18:13] <cumulus0071> :)
[18:21] <salty-horse> hi. anyone have any successful experience installing windows after having ubuntu in the main partition, when it's formatted as ext4?
[18:23] <bruce89> salty-horse: I don't see how that'd be a problem
[18:23] <adelie42> you need to format whatever partition you want with windows to some format it can understand. windows can't format partitions with flags other than fat or ntfs types
[18:24] <adelie42> a linux recovery CD is great for that purpose when I used windows years ago
[18:25] <salty-horse> bruce89, instead of saying "there's another operating system installed on the first partition, and I'll have to set it as inactive" it says "the first partition is of an unknown format. please make sure the first partition is known"
[18:25] <salty-horse> adelie42, yup. but it conflicts with what I read here:
[18:25] <bruce89> salty-horse: ah
[18:26] <adelie42> I got ubuntu-minimal installed. I do not want a DE, but do want to be able to play videos with x11. can anyone suggest a place to get started?
[18:26] <salty-horse> http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm?page=3
[18:26] <salty-horse> so I thought it was an ext4 problem
[18:26] <bruce89> adelie42: lxde perhaps
[18:27] <adelie42> salty-horse: a partition map just assigns a number that designates the format. there is no "figuring out" the format. Windows installer looks at the flag and goes "I don't know what to do". that has been at least my understanding. Windows has never had a good tool for partitioning and formatting of drives.
[18:28] <FFForever> Hello people
[18:28] <FFForever> how can i fix my tabs in firefox?, http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1dj4.png
[18:28] <salty-horse> adelie42, so you're saying the first partition has to be ntfs? if I already have that as ext4, is the best solution to create a small dummy ntfs partition and push the ext4 one a bit?
[18:28] <adelie42> bruce89: I want no DE, not a light weight one
[18:28] <salty-horse> FFForever, what's wrong?
[18:28] <bruce89> adelie42: AFAIK that's impossible
[18:29] <adelie42> ooh, err... I think windows requires itself to be installed on the first primary partition of a drive
[18:29] <thedonvaughn> FFForever: looks like that's just a) your gtk theme or b) your firefox theme.   you'll have to edit the theme to fix that
[18:29] <FFForever> salty-horse, look at the right tab it over flows also on the other tabs they look nasty compared to in gnome there is no underline/folder thingie on the firefox
[18:30] <salty-horse> oh right
[18:30] <FFForever> thedonvaughn, i just converted from an ubuntu to kde desktop, and uhhh well yeah =\
[18:30] <salty-horse> maybe it's a theme problem
[18:30] <thedonvaughn> yah i can't stand kde
[18:30] <thedonvaughn> especaillly since 4
[18:30] <FFForever> i love kde....
[18:30] <FFForever> 4.2 is nicer =)
[18:30] <salty-horse> FFForever, firefox has good integration with gnome themes, but I don't know about kde. maybe it's not compatible
[18:31] <bruce89> with Konqueror, I don't know why you'd want Firefox however
[18:31] <salty-horse> bruce89, firefox has lots of extensions..?
[18:31] <bruce89> lots of ways to crash
[18:32] <salty-horse> bruce89, it's still worth it
[18:32] <salty-horse> (to me)
[18:32] <FFForever> i hate konqueror =), firefox FTW!
[18:32] <thedonvaughn> i can't live without vimperator plugin in firefox
[18:32]  * bruce89 is an Epiphany fan
[18:33] <FFForever> vimperator?
[18:33] <bruce89> Bookmarks are lovely
[18:33] <thedonvaughn> gives vim bindings to firefox FFForever
[18:33] <thedonvaughn> so i don't have to rely on mouse at all in browser
[18:35] <bruce89> I'm sure anyone can live without an extension
[18:36] <FFForever> bruce89, i cant live without firebug =D
[18:36] <bruce89> such a silly phrase I think
[18:36] <maco> FFForever: its because youre using firefox in kde
[18:37] <maco> with it set to use the qt theme
[18:37] <maco> the qt theme doesn't fit very well on gtk apps like firefox
[18:37] <FFForever> maco how do i make it use the gtk theme?
[18:37] <thedonvaughn> bruce89: thanks mr literal obvious
[18:37] <bruce89> that's what I do best
[18:37] <thedonvaughn> :)
[18:37] <maco> FFForever: you can make all gtk apps use gtk or all gtk apps use qt theme. can't pick n choose for different apps
[18:38] <maco> FFForever: but in system settings -> appearance -> gtk styles and fonts, choose "use another style" and pick one
[18:38] <maco> the clearlooks one should work well
[18:39] <Pici> Hrm. My Jaunty VM just decided in the middle of an upgrade that the filesystem was read only.
[18:40]  * bruce89 feels compelled to say that Firefox isn't GTK+
[18:40] <bruce89> please ignore me
[18:41] <FFForever> maco, thanks!!!!!!!!!
[18:57] <FFForever> how come amarok is locking up my sound (so no other app can play music/sound)
[19:11] <cumulus007> hey there
[19:11] <cumulus007> I got some problems with the new package manager in Kubuntu Jaunty: PkackageKit
[19:11] <cumulus007> *PackageKit
[19:11] <cumulus007> It won't let me search in the repos, I also can't update
[19:18] <DrHalan> okay
[19:18] <DrHalan> transmissino needs to work with libnotify too :s
[19:19] <bruce89> DrHalan: Dialogues all over the place?
[19:19] <DrHalan> jap :D
[19:21] <bruce89> bug time
[19:21] <bruce89> but if they have to patch stuff to not use dialogues, the daemon is wrong
[19:21] <cumulus007> any KPackageKit/Kubuntu dev in here?
[19:22] <DrHalan> bruce89: i think the apps dont use libnotify properly
[19:22] <bruce89> ah
[19:24] <maco> cumulus007: #kubuntu-devel
[19:24] <cumulus007> okay
[19:24] <cumulus007> thanks
[19:24] <bruce89> does notify distinguish between synchronous and async notifications?
[19:25] <DrHalan> wheres the difference? o.O
[19:25] <bruce89> in dialogue making
[19:27] <bruce89> apparently not
[19:30] <DrHalan> well its not a dialogue
[19:30] <DrHalan> i think theyre always async
[19:30] <DrHalan> the app doesnt lock up or so when you create a notifcation
[19:31] <bruce89> when are dialogues supposed to appear?/
[19:33] <blue-frog> hi my home directory is encrypted, when booting in single mode, I do not know how to mount that directory, any help please? ecryptfs-mount-private is asking me for my password, which I enter and then nothing even though the password is accepted. What am I missing?
[19:35] <bruce89> I see what it is now, the notification system can't handle ones with buttons in them
[19:36] <ali1234> that's the whole point
[19:36] <Adys> mmh, just apt-get update upgraded and rebooted.. lost my restart menu
[19:36] <bruce89> ali1234: transmission may over-use that then
[19:36] <ali1234> notifications should have buttons, steal focus, and other stupid stuff like that
[19:37] <ali1234> shouldn't*
[19:37] <bruce89> ali1234: dialogues do all that
[19:37] <bruce89> Adys: they removed it if fusa is there
[19:37] <Adys> How comes?
[19:37] <ali1234> programs that havn't been updated to the new notifications yet are throwing up crappy dialogues instead
[19:38] <ali1234> but that will hopefully be fixed
[19:38] <bruce89> will any of these "fixes" find their way upstream though?
[19:38] <ali1234> upstream?
[19:38] <ali1234> the question is, will upstream accept the fixes?
[19:38] <bruce89> Transmission for instance
[19:38] <ali1234> this is open source software after all
[19:38] <bruce89> ali1234: why should they?
[19:39] <ali1234> because people want them to?
[19:39] <bruce89> if Ubuntu uses a different notification system to GNOME suggests, they won't need to accept the "fixes"
[19:39] <ali1234> yeah
[19:39] <bruce89> so upstream-Ubuntu diffs get bigger yet again
[19:40] <bruce89> for no real reason
[19:40] <ali1234> if, on the otherhand, GNOME never gets around to implementing notifications properly, then at least Ubuntu users will have them, even if nobody else does
[19:40] <bruce89> ali1234: that's wasteful
[19:41] <bruce89> the diff should be as small as possible
[19:41] <ali1234> it's wasteful to do something that nobody else does?
[19:41] <bruce89> yess
[19:41] <bruce89> Ubuntu have to maintain all their patches
[19:41] <bruce89> so having fewer would be better
[19:41] <ali1234> so basically your argument is that Canonical would have to do less work by not adding features to Ubuntu?
[19:42] <ali1234> and that would be "better"
[19:42] <bruce89> I'm saying they shouldn't patch stuff as much as possible
[19:42] <bruce89> every patch should really be upstreamed
[19:42] <bruce89> apart from a choice few (LP integration)
[19:43] <ali1234> it's not up to Canonical whether a patch goes upstream or not. the patches are there, it's the choice of GNOME to use them or not
[19:43] <bruce89> they should be actively submitted upstream though
[19:44] <bruce89> instead of just saying "they'll never be accepted"
[19:46] <ali1234> what exactly does "actively submitted" mean?
[19:46] <bruce89> filing bugs, attaching patches there
[19:46] <ali1234> i thought we were talking specifically about notifications?
[19:47] <bruce89> it turned into a general patch policy discussion
[19:47] <ali1234> last i saw, there were plenty of gnome bugs in launch pad that were marked as "reported upstream" with a link
[19:48] <bruce89> what my original point was that if programs have to be patched for the new notifications to work, the notifications are wrong
[19:49] <bruce89> or the patches that fix the programs should go upstream
[19:49] <ali1234> i don't know why you think that
[19:49] <ali1234> the first part that is
[19:50] <bruce89> well maybe not that
[19:50] <ali1234> what you are saying is, "if a program needs to be patched to use a new API, then the new API is wrong"
[19:50] <ali1234> s/new/different/g
[19:50] <bruce89> the programs have bugs that are only revealed with the new system, yes?
[19:51] <ali1234> um no
[19:51] <bruce89> the new notifications have no new API, that's libnotify's job
[19:52] <bruce89> the notifications are not called directly, libnotify is the
[19:52] <bruce89> libnotify calls the daemon
[19:53] <ali1234> i don't know the technicality of why you see those dialogues
[19:54] <ali1234> but i think the programs are falling back on built in notifications
[19:54] <bruce89> ali1234: any notification that has buttons in it is now put in dialogues by the new daemon
[19:54] <ali1234> right
[19:54] <bruce89> instead of a balloon with buttons
[19:54] <ali1234> that makes sense
[19:55] <ali1234> transient windows with buttons is a terrible idea
[19:55] <bruce89> some programs have buttons in their notifications when they shouldn't, such as NetworkManager
[19:55] <bruce89> causing dialogues with the new system
[19:55] <ali1234> ok
[19:56] <ali1234> so that actually *is* a bug in n-m then
[19:56] <bruce89> so the programs should be fixed
[19:56] <ali1234> so what is the problem?
[19:56] <bruce89> and preferably upstream
[19:56] <ali1234> they will be fixed, and the source will be available if upstream wants it. everybody wins. what is the problem?
[19:57] <bruce89> clearly they won't be submitted directly upstream, they will just rot on patches.ubuntu.com
[19:58] <bruce89> and that's bad for everyone
[19:59] <ali1234> if that happens then upstream only has themselves to blame
[19:59] <bruce89> what, for not always checking what Ubuntu is patching, that's not their job
[20:00] <ali1234> if it continues to happen for long enough then ... well remember XFree86?
[20:00] <bruce89> I'm not sure about that
[20:02] <bruce89> but upstream has enough to do without having to check distro patches all the time
[20:03] <ali1234> i agree... for tiny obscure patches
[20:03] <bruce89> as I'm sure Richard Hughes pointed out
[20:04] <bruce89> notification fixes would be fairly wee patches
[20:05] <ali1234> but the noise that will be created all over the internet when they finally unleash this thing on the public will be huge
[20:05] <bruce89> true, I hope it turns out well
[20:06] <ali1234> it's not even that big of a change
[20:06] <bruce89> no, I suppose not
[20:06] <ali1234> from a user perspective i mean. i hardly even notice those notifications anyway
[20:06] <ali1234> but yet here we are "discussing" it
[20:06] <ali1234> like it was the most important feature of the distro
[20:07] <bruce89> it's effectively the same as the old one with a different theme, and no buttons allowed
[20:07] <ali1234> and it doesn't steal focus or stop you from clicking on stuff underneath it
[20:08] <bruce89> I don't remember the old one stealing focus, but dialogues certainly do
[20:09] <bruce89> I presume the fact that GNOME didn't accept notification-daemon because they want to see how notify-osd pans out
[20:11] <ali1234> maybe GNOME got tired of getting flak for changing stuff and no credit when people decided they prefer the new way.
[20:11] <bruce89> they accepted libnotify, so that suggests what I said
[20:21] <ali1234> karmic koala? i like the brown dammit!
[20:25] <bruce89> they'll never leave the brown
[20:26] <ali1234> it's not even brown, it's more like orange
[20:28] <bruce89> you have to take what Mark says with a huge pinch of salt
[20:32] <ali1234> they've been talking about "getting rid of the brown" for at least 2 years now
[20:32] <ali1234> but i looooove brown
[20:33] <maco> i like it too
[20:33] <bruce89> indeed, they've always said they'll replace it, but oh well
[20:33] <maco> warm tones
[20:33] <maco> all earthy & stuff
[20:34] <ali1234> it makes a change from windows toy-town and apple chrome-factory
[20:35] <bruce89> I usually use orange coloured clearlooks
[21:25] <KenBW2> is Jaunty due a new theme or have they given up?
[21:26] <bruce89> I don't think it will do
[21:27] <KenBW2> i think Intrepid's "new" theme was a step back - there's very little visual feedback on toolbar buttons
[21:29] <danbhfive> Karma's gona have a new theme :P
[21:30] <KenBW2> yea, right
[21:30] <KenBW2> ill believe it when i see it
[21:34] <bruce89> I'd just give in and use clearlooks
[21:34] <KenBW2> meh, i revert to the old human
[21:36] <bruce89> ew
[21:36] <KenBW2> better than intrepid's
[21:38] <bruce89> anything's better than Human
[21:38] <KenBW2> i happen to like the brownness :)
[21:39] <bruce89> I don't mind brown, just don't like Human's icons or theme engine
[21:39] <KenBW2> meh, beauty in the eye of the beholder etc etc
[21:45] <FFForever> is there a tricked out fluxbox ubuntu distro?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> you mean like fluxbuntu
[21:46] <FFForever> one with a few basic needs like power management, screen lighting changes (for laptops), etc
[21:46] <FFForever> charlie-tca, is there a flubuntu-desktop apt meta package?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> I don't know what it has, but there is one "fluxbuntu"
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Not that I know of, FFForever
[21:47] <charlie-tca> It's a separate distro
[21:47] <FFForever> i hate separate distros lol, i have 2 wait for them 2 catch up with ubuntu... =(
[21:48] <bruce89> nothing wrong with installing fluxbox on Ubuntu AFAIK
[21:48] <FFForever> bruce89, yeah there is, there is no power management... found that out the hard way...
[21:49] <FFForever> also u cant adjust the screen brightness
[21:49] <bruce89> hmm
[21:56] <blueyed> anybody using boinc on jaunty?
[21:57] <blueyed> (or other idle-cpu processes?)
[22:01] <bruce89> blueyed: yes, it's a pain in the lower back
[22:02] <tretle> banshee now fully support the new notification daemon
[22:02] <blueyed> bruce89: since your fan is louder than usual, too?
[22:02] <bruce89> blueyed: the CPU scaling is not taking into account niceness
[22:03] <blueyed> bruce89: seems so.. but not in general.. it gets scaled down more often than not, but not all the time.
[22:03] <Lounge> anyone else having poor performances with kernel 2.6.28-8-*?
[22:03] <bruce89> blueyed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/321211
[22:04] <bruce89> niceness seems to not work
[22:04] <blueyed> bruce89: I had reported bug 329872 - will mark it as duplicate and confirm yours. Thanks.
[22:05] <Lounge> i was afrade of it cooking my cores
[22:06] <blueyed> Lounge: any "idle" processes in the background?
[22:06] <Lounge> nope
[22:06] <blueyed> bruce89: does "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" always show the highest setting?
[22:06] <Lounge> nothing that was eating the cpu
[22:06] <blueyed> Lounge: why should it "eat your (cpu) cores" then?
[22:06] <Lounge> it seem that any process even a simple apt-get update was foring the cpu a 100%
[22:06] <bruce89> blueyed: yup
[22:07] <Lounge> at 100%*
[22:07] <Lounge> even the boot up process took a long time to complete
[22:08] <Lounge> i did notice that in single mode, it nearly hanged in the 2nd stage waiting for the nvidia-glx 180 driver to start
[22:09] <Lounge> took almost 2 minutes for that to start
[22:09] <Neonexus> anyone beta testing 9.04 currently?
[22:10] <Lounge> so i rebooted with 2.6.28-7 and everything is normal for me
[22:10] <blueyed> bruce89: updated your bug. Thanks again. it shows "max freq" for me now, too. IIRC this was different with previous 2.6.28 kernels, but started when I could finally switch to 2.6.28
[22:10] <bruce89> Neonexus: I'd have thought most here are
[22:10] <blueyed> Lounge: that could explain the more worse behavior I'm getting now with -8.
[22:11] <blueyed> Lounge: you may want to subscribe to bug 321211, too.
[22:11] <Lounge> could it be a conflict between 2.6.28-8-* &  nvidia-glx 180?
[22:11] <Neonexus> My system went through an updtate cycle and now my wireless network wont connect, anyone have simular problem?
[22:11] <hggdh> Neonexus, no we are still apha-testing it
[22:11] <bruce89> incidentally, my issue is not with nvidia hardware
[22:11] <blueyed> it's probably more related to the recent cpufreq changes in the kernel.
[22:12] <blueyed> "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_{driver,governor}" now shows "performance" as governor for me..!
[22:12] <Lounge> blueyed: okay i'll subscribe and add my 2 cents to it ^^
[22:12] <blueyed> (should be ondemand)
[22:12] <bruce89> mine's ondemand
[22:13] <Neonexus> just seems to be wireless, as wired and 3g works fine
[22:13] <blueyed> see also bug 332017
[22:13] <nemo> um. why is there no libsdl-net dev package?
[22:13] <blueyed> bruce89: do you have powernowd installed? (what cpu do you have?)
[22:14] <bruce89> blueyed: not now, and a boring old Pentium dual-core
[22:14] <nemo> just updated to jaunty to test whether bug #316683 had been fixed, and suddenly discover I can't do a test build anymore
[22:15] <nemo> hm. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/libsdl-net1.2-dev/1.2.7-2
[22:15] <nemo> so. if it exists there...
[22:16] <nemo> where's the jaunty build? :)
[22:16] <nemo> do I need to make my own build file now?
[22:18] <blueyed> bruce89: I've removed powernowd, since I've read on the mailinglists that it's not required anymore.. installing powernowd again gives my "ondemand" back.. strange.. maybe it would require a clean boot? now cpu freq goes back to 1000MHz for some time - but "performance" should not bump the freq for idle processes, too..?!
[22:18] <bruce89> I don't have a clue as to what's going on, all I know is that something is wrong
[22:19] <blueyed> ok. Thanks for confirming it, again. This will hopefully get fixed soon.
[22:19] <bruce89> actually, you confirmed it, thanks for that
[22:20] <nemo> does anyone here know why a build is missing for that package? would an attempt by me to make one run into some fundamental flaw in jaunty?
[22:20] <blueyed> I even triaged it as "High".. which hopefully helps. OTOH there are _so_ many kernel bugs.. :/
[22:21] <blueyed> nemo, are you on i386?
[22:21] <nemo> yep
[22:21] <nemo> only finding powerpc right now
[22:22] <nemo> odd that such a basic library would go missing
[22:22] <nemo> isn't like jaunty is *that* far away
[22:22] <blueyed> there's only a i386 link AFAICS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10223508/libsdl-net1.2-dev_1.2.7-2_i386.deb
[22:22] <nemo> oh. nifty. thanks.
[22:22] <blueyed> oh.. you've select i386.. the link's from your page/link.. ^^
[22:23] <nemo> really. didn't see it
[22:23] <nemo> is that the one listed as a hardy build?
[22:23] <blueyed> nemo: see also "apt-cache madison libsdl-net1.2-dev"
[22:23] <nemo> that was what made me come here. out of concern for *why* there was no jaunty build :)
[22:23] <blueyed> should be installable.
[22:24] <blueyed> maybe there has not been an update/new upload for jaunty/intrepid?!
[22:24] <blueyed> nemo: you may want to poke #ubuntu-motu :)
[22:24] <blueyed> ..but debian has no newer version, too.
[22:40] <Lounge> after today's updates, udevd is hogging the cpu%
[22:40] <Lounge> the cores are now at around 58 - 68%
[22:43] <Lounge> strange
[22:44] <Lounge> udevd is doing something to all my partitons, the diskIOs are acive
[22:44] <Lounge> active
[22:45] <Lounge> is there anyway i can monitor what its doing?
[22:47] <bruce89> atop perhaps
[22:47] <Lounge> acpi -t
[22:48] <Lounge> holy cow udevd is out of control
[22:51] <akio1> Lounge: your mom is out of control
[22:51] <nemo> gah. there's just a ridiculous number of packages missing
[22:51] <nemo> how do you guys manage? :(
[22:52] <akio1> my X R B0rken
[22:52] <akio1> console...
[22:52] <charlie-tca> nemo: That's the joys of running an alpha version
[22:52] <akio1> nemo: you do remember you are using alpha, not beta
[22:53] <nemo> yeah. I only upgraded to this one to see if in fact it had fixed a driver
[22:53] <bruce89> akio1: same thing
[22:53] <bruce89> for Ubuntu's purposes
[22:53] <nemo> akio1: finding it almost impossible to get fpc reinstalled
[22:53] <akio1> there is a difference between fixing and providing
[22:54] <akio> tahnks for the reminder
[22:54] <akio> damn finch
[22:54] <nemo> for heaven's sake - a52dec-dev isn't in intrepid either?? so how on earth did fp-units-multimedia ever work in intrepid?
[22:55] <nemo> which supposedly is an intrepid package which requires that package.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Don't know, but intrepid support is in #ubuntu
[22:58] <Lounge> yeah udevd is buggn out so im back in hardy & chrooting into jaunty for now
[22:58] <bruce89> Hardy?
[22:59] <Lounge> yes i still love hardy
[22:59] <Lounge> not really a big fan of intreped
[22:59] <bruce89> why are you using Jaunty then?
[22:59] <nemo> charlie-tca: ... I'm aware. thanks. this is part of a broader issue of missing Jaunty packages - I was trying to replace them with Intrepid ones
[22:59] <crdlb> I like having a thinkpad; everybody has one so nothing breaks for long
[22:59] <Lounge> so i can help test it
[23:03] <Lounge> i'm not the most linux savy person but i can still try to report stuff that's not functioning right
[23:09] <nemo> well. that's embarassing. looks like I just was missing an update of the mirrors
[23:09] <nemo> for some reason that wasn't an automatic part of the update process :)
[23:10] <Silverwing> hi all
[23:14] <mifritscher> hi
[23:14] <mifritscher> i've to main issues with 9.04
[23:14] <genii> Everyone's working on the Bug Jam or so?
[23:15] <mifritscher> -it is only woriking with the server-edition of the kernel, if I try the generic it does fail (cannot allocating memory while starting X) - I've an Intel x3100 and 4 GB ram
[23:16] <mifritscher> -suspend and hibernate doesn't work from the desktop (System->shutdown) - it does immediately threw me to the lock screen
[23:16] <mifritscher> if I make a echo hibernate >/sys/power/state it works (but the X-Server does crash on resuming)
[23:17] <mifritscher> it worked well wit 8.10
[23:17] <mifritscher> +h
[23:32] <mifritscher> I found a bit of infos for the crash on resuming in launchpad, but not for the other things
[23:58] <tretle> could someone explain to me why my dell inspiron 6400 seems to have multitouch controls under jaunty?