[00:03] <pk> dask could you remind me how to check my display drivers?
[00:07] <james147> pk: *-dbg are debug packages, you only need them if you want to submit a backtrace form a crash to a bugreport
[00:08] <pk> grrrr
[00:08] <pk> that driver was pre installed
[00:08] <pk> Says I update it to run minecraft, but when I do that it causes all the issues I was having :[
[00:14] <mbai> Hi. "top -H" is supposed to indicate CPU usage for individual  threads. For each thread it looks like it gives a unique PID, which makes no sense to me. I thought only processes had their own PID.
[00:17] <lente>  I use a german keyboard. The autocompletion in texmaker vanishes if I press buttons like AltGr or Strg. Is there a possibility to stop this behavior?
[00:18] <lente> mbai: man 7 pthread says Threads do not share process IDs. (In effect, LinuxThreads threads are implemented as processes which share more information than usual, but which do not share a common process ID.)
[00:19] <mbai> lente: oh shlt
[00:19] <lente> mabi: ?
[00:21] <mbai> just a moment of enlightenment. I didn't realize that about linux threads although I've worked with them for a few years.
[00:23] <mbai> lente: thanks
[00:23] <lente> mbai: I dont know the old threadapi, but there where some differences compared to the LinuxThread api
[00:24] <lente> mbai: your welcome
[00:25] <m_> how to find channels?
[00:26] <Daskreech> m_: /list but which channel are you looking for?
[00:26] <Daskreech>  Freenode is huge and that takes a long time
[00:31] <pk> Hello ^^; I figured out my problem, but now Im not sure what driver to get
[00:32] <Daskreech> pk: What's the problem?
[00:33] <pk> nouveau, by default doesnt allow 3d acceleration
[00:33] <Daskreech>  I can't help with the version I always have Video cards that the free driver works
[00:33] <Daskreech> Ah so you want to enable it?
[00:33] <pk> and the reccomended drivers dont support VGA
[00:33] <pk> Im downloading the nouveau 3d support firmware, but im not sure what to do with it after kpackage gets it
[00:37] <Daskreech> Oh if kpackage is getting it then it's probably enough just to restart X
[00:38] <Daskreech> Unless it tells you to reboot of course :)
[00:38] <pk> odd. kpackage wont get it
[00:39] <Daskreech> error?
[00:39] <pk> no, just finishes but never checks itself off and installs
[00:40] <pk> pk@pk:~$ sudo apt-get install nouveau-firmware
[00:40] <pk> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:40] <pk> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:41] <james147> pk make sure you arnt running another packagemanager
[00:41] <james147> (such as apt-get)
[00:41] <pk> I only have the stock one, kpackageki
[00:42] <pk> which is closed. I tried the otherway and kpackage gives me a similar issue even when the terminal is closed
[00:43] <pk> grrr maybe a restart?
[00:44] <Daskreech> ahmm
[00:44] <Daskreech> Well I guess you could do that
[00:44] <james147> :p
[00:46] <pk> just restarted the computer. Same thing and thats all I opened
[00:47] <pk> just restarted the computer. Same thing and thats all I opened
[00:50] <Daskreech> pk: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[00:50] <james147> pk: ^^ then "sudo apt-get install -f"  << to make sure nothing broken :)
[00:50] <pk> pk@pk:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[00:50] <pk> pk@pk:~$ sudo apt-get install -f
[00:50] <pk> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[00:50] <pk> pk@pk:~$
[00:50] <FloodBotK1> pk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:53] <Daskreech> pk: Do what it says
[00:53]  * james147 suggests doing what the error said
[00:54] <pk> I did what it says but when I go to install the package it repeats itself :[
[00:55] <pk> alright so I installed the nouveau-firmware through the terminal, now its updating java?  I have a blue screen (in the terminal) with the java license agreement and it says <ok>
[00:55] <pk> but I cannot type and clicking enter does nothing >.>
[00:56] <james147> pk: press ok then :)
[00:56] <pk> how o.0 enter does nothing. Cant highlight it
[00:56] <james147> press <tab> then <enter>
[00:57] <pk> tried tab
[00:57] <james147> hmm
[00:57] <pk> Im having a lot of issues ;;_;;
[00:57] <Daskreech> pk: press space
[00:57] <pk> no luck
[00:57] <Daskreech> pk: really?
[00:57] <Daskreech> Hmm tab then space ?
[00:57] <pk> Wouldnt lie to you ; /
[00:58] <pk> tab then space did nothing :[
[00:58] <Daskreech> Funky
[00:58] <Daskreech> enter? :)
[00:58] <pk> lol not today
[00:58] <Daskreech> pk: esc?
[00:59] <pk> nada. maybe its stuck.. Ill retry it
[00:59] <Daskreech> pk: ctrl+C
[01:00] <pk> I re tried and tab worked -_-
[01:00] <pk> but sadly, th driver didnt work. Still having issues running minecraft. Im pretty sure I give up
[01:01] <james147> pk: what issues with minecraft are you having?
[01:02] <pk> failed to create drawable
[01:02] <pk> org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: X Error - disp: 0x1008460 serial: 96 error: BadGC (invalid GC parameter) request_code: 60 minor_code: 0
[01:02] <pk>         at org.lwjgl.opengl.LinuxDisplay.globalErrorHandler(LinuxDisplay.java:268)
[01:02] <pk>         at org.lwjgl.opengl.LinuxKeyboard.nSetDetectableKeyRepeat(Native Method)
[01:02] <pk>         at org.lwjgl.opengl.LinuxKeyboard.setDetectableKeyRepeat(LinuxKeyboard.java:152)
[01:02] <FloodBotK1> pk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:02] <pk>         at org.lwjgl.opengl.LinuxKeyboard.destroy(LinuxKeyboard.java:163)
[01:02] <_sophia> o_O
[01:04] <pk> umm. heres the relevant paste URL the bot was yelling at me about  http://paste.ubuntu.com/584071/
[01:06] <pk> According to google its a driver problem for my graphics. But since im using VGA the driver I need doesnt work...
[01:08] <Daskreech> hi _sophia :)
[01:08] <Daskreech> So you need a VGA driver?
[01:09] <pk> that supports 3d... yes
[01:13]  * james147 is going to test the nouveau drivers
[01:13] <pk> im about to install a windows partition simply for minecraft >.< would running the windows version through wine work any better?
[01:13] <pk> Ah, thank you &^^;
[01:13] <james147> pk:  not if its a driver problem
[01:13] <pk> because id rather not have a windows partition only for minecraft >.>
[01:14] <pk> Ah, it worked yesterday in WIN7 >.<
[01:17] <Daskreech> pk: Hold on
[01:18] <Daskreech> pk: You could try #gametome to see if they can help
[01:18] <Daskreech> Though they are really quiet right now
[01:18] <pk> will do, james said he was trying the nouveau drivers
[01:18] <Daskreech> ok
[01:20]  * james147 cannot be bothered to figure out how to get the nouveau drivers to work on arch...
[01:20] <pk> >.<thanks for trying anyway
[01:20] <james147> though I am suprised they dont work in kubuntu for you :(
[01:20] <Daskreech> pk: ah You might try #ubuntu !
[01:21] <Daskreech> Duh :)
[01:21] <pk> lol
[01:21] <pk> Alright, beforeI give that a try, which did a large translucent square just appear in the top left on my screen?
[01:21] <pk> its part of the wallpaper... but it wasnt 30 seconds ago
[01:22] <james147> pk: screen shot?
[01:22] <pk> how do I send it to you?
[01:24] <james147> !pastebin
[01:25] <pk> Here it is: http://imagebin.org/144448
[01:27] <james147> ahh yeah, thats a plasma config bug ^^ you can get rid of it be resetting plasmas settings (by remiving or renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[01:27] <james147> removing ^^
[01:28] <pk> How do I do that? Sorry for being a super n00b
[01:35] <Daskreech> pk: open a terminal and type kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 4 && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/Documents && plasma-desktop
[01:35] <Daskreech> Curses!
[01:46] <Daskreech> pk: open a terminal and type kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 4 && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/Documents && plasma-desktop
[01:47] <Daskreech> Oh what...
[01:49] <Daskreech> _sophia: How are you?
[01:49] <_sophia> okay
[01:49] <_sophia> trying to study Ruby but i can't focus :P
[01:53] <Daskreech> _sophia: cause I keep hightlighting you? :-D
[01:54] <_sophia> lol, no, because i'm stoned o_O
[01:57] <quant> common, some kubuntu question or something, I'm bored ;-)
[02:01] <Daskreech> quant: Umm. Ok
[02:01] <Daskreech> How do you get the network manager plasmoid into the system tray?
[02:03] <quant> panel options - add widgets? :)
[02:04] <james147> quant: nop :)
[02:04] <quant> darn
[02:04] <james147> quant: right click systeray > sys tray settings ...
[02:05] <quant> Daskreech: there you go, james147 answered it! :) any more?
[02:05] <Daskreech> james147: on 4.5 ?
[02:05] <Daskreech> That works on 4.6
[02:06] <quant> Daskreech: on 4.5 you get it by installing 4.6 and then doing what james147 said! ;-)
[02:06] <james147> Daskreech: not sure, I think it worked like that on 4.5
[02:07] <Daskreech> Man I don't know how the KDE devs do it
[02:07] <james147> ^^
[02:07] <Xcell> what libs are missing to be able to use radiotray ? thanks.
[02:07] <Daskreech> They are two to three versions ahead of what we see and still answer bug reports
[02:08] <yofel> it should work like that (as long as your widgets are unlocked)
[02:08] <yofel> even in 4.5
[02:08] <Daskreech>  Like 2 weeks after updating KDE it feels like it's been like this forever
[02:08] <Daskreech> yofel: I don't know then. I have someone who somehow deleted the Network management plasmoid
[02:08] <yofel> hm, he does still have plasma-widget-networkmanagement installed?
[02:08] <Daskreech> I threw it back on the desktop but I can't get it to go back in the systray It doesn't show an entry for it
[02:09] <Daskreech> !info radiotray
[02:09] <Xcell> ok thanks
[02:09] <Daskreech> Xcell: install that package and it should take care of ir
[02:09] <Xcell> thank you
[02:16] <Daskreech> quant: Ah how do you change the startup sound?
[02:16] <Xcell> ok, the one in kpacgage is from sourceforge, is that the correct one ?
[02:16] <Xcell> and it is 0.6-2
[02:17] <quant> Daskreech: system settings - application notifications should have that
[02:17] <quant> Daskreech: "application and system notifications"
[02:17] <Daskreech> Xcell: Should be
[02:18] <Xcell> ok, installing,
[02:18] <Daskreech> quant: How do you manage holidays?
[02:18] <quant> Daskreech: ?
[02:18] <Daskreech> When you click on the clock you get an overlay for holidays. How do you manage that/
[02:18] <quant> Daskreech: what exactly are you referring to?
[02:18] <Daskreech> ?
[02:19] <quant> Daskreech: yes, I've noticed... well choose the clock settings
[02:19] <quant> Daskreech: then calendar under settings
[02:19] <Daskreech> >_>
[02:19] <Xcell> ya, its doing the same thing, looks to start but quits,
[02:19] <quant> Daskreech: haha
[02:19] <Daskreech> Kde makes things too simple
[02:20] <Daskreech> Xcell: What error?
[02:20] <Xcell> none
[02:20] <quant> Daskreech: some! and some really not
[02:20] <Daskreech> quant: such as?
[02:20] <Xcell> let me do it from terminal
[02:20] <Daskreech> Xcell: yes please :)
[02:20] <quant> Daskreech: amarok - adding your local "collection" to be exact, I will find that option, but a casual user won't
[02:21] <Xcell> pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
[02:21] <quant> Daskreech: also rearranging the panel is very unintuitive
[02:21] <Daskreech> Xcell: that's the error?
[02:21] <Daskreech> hmm
[02:21] <Xcell> ya
[02:21] <Xcell> all restrictes gstreamers are installed, unless there is one missing
[02:22] <Daskreech> quant: really? I never find it too much of a problem
[02:22] <quant> Daskreech: clicking panel toolbox to find out that you can hover a panel item to move it is not intuitive
[02:22] <Xcell> quant-  its diff from gnome, u just have to get used 2 it
[02:23] <quant> Xcell: I'm not complaining, just constructive criticism...
[02:23] <Xcell> o, ok
[02:23] <quant> Xcell: much more powerfull overall than gnome, and much more pretty
[02:23] <Xcell> ya, the pretty part
[02:24] <Daskreech> and powerful :)
[02:24] <quant> Xcell: and the powerful part? :)
[02:24] <Xcell> well, im still in transition from gnome'
[02:24] <Daskreech> Xcell: can you run radiotray and pastebin all the output?
[02:24] <Xcell> thats all it said
[02:24] <Daskreech> Xcell: Ah what prompted the change?
[02:24] <Daskreech> just that one line?
[02:24] <Daskreech> hmm
[02:25] <Xcell> i fixed 2 lappies for a guy, and he gave me a asus 1005ha, and i have gnome/kde/xfce on it, so i have all 3 and learn them all
[02:25] <Xcell> ya, just that 1 line
[02:26] <Xcell> but, 2 b honest, looks like kde works best on it.
[02:26] <Daskreech> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/radiotray/+bug/641876
[02:26] <Xcell> huh, looks
[02:28] <Xcell> ya, i googled all weekend 2 no avail, looks like a silly bug
[02:30] <Xcell> thats ok, i laded pana (amarok 1.4) and happy with that.
[02:30] <Xcell> loaded
[02:34] <Xcell> the latest:  http://imagebin.org/144458
[02:36] <Daskreech> wow
[02:36] <Daskreech> nice
[02:37] <Daskreech> Xchat seems really popular
[02:37] <Xcell> ya, i like it for the scripting
[02:38] <Xcell> lemmings xchat
[02:38] <quant> Xcell: hey, but dark blue on black on clock... common :)
[02:39] <Xcell> its the dark look theme ive got, but that one is the only skin they had
[02:39] <Xcell> o
[02:39] <Xcell> wiat
[02:39] <Xcell> the clock, ya, i just built this setup in 2 days, ill do something with that, 3 os's in 3 days, still configing
[02:40] <quant> Xcell: ;-)
[02:40] <Xcell> doh
[02:40] <quant> good night, all... 3.40 am here
[02:40] <Xcell> ok man, cya
[02:46] <Xcell> but why does it work in gnome and not kde, same python right ??.. weird
[02:49] <RadSurfer> A friend reports that his Right-mouse click no longer functions... what would do this, and how is it solved?
[02:54] <Daskreech> Xcell: that would be something interesting to find out. Maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu
[02:54] <Daskreech> RadSurfer: Doesn't work anywhre?
[02:55] <Xcell> ok, will do, thanks
[02:55] <RadSurfer> evidently not.
[02:55] <RadSurfer> Meta-key seems to work as Right-click.
[02:55] <RadSurfer> What causes this?
[02:57] <Daskreech> RadSurfer: a broken mouse?
[02:58] <RadSurfer> how can I be certain.
[03:02] <Xcell> their all solar powered over there.
[03:02] <Xcell> and its nite time.
[03:04] <Xcell> D`oh!
[03:04] <Daskreech> ha
[03:04] <Daskreech> RadSurfer: try it on anotehr computer?
[03:05] <RadSurfer> backing up 1st. not sure whats going on.
[03:31]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[03:57] <hlpme2> hi is anybody available to help me concerning a display issue ,
[04:00] <Daskreech> ask
[04:01] <hlpme2> My display resolution is normal, but per instance when i move a window its laggy
[04:07] <Xcell> ok, cyall, thanks.
[04:09] <Daskreech> hlpme2: Try turn off blur
[05:44] <Daskreech> Anyone wants to help confirm a Kate bug?
[05:46] <Daskreech> Open Kate Set the indentation mode to Haskell then type "let {}"
[05:46] <Daskreech> press enter and see if it hangs
[07:11] <baffone85> can i convert file .pptx to file .avi?
[07:29] <kmanzoor> hello
[07:34] <kmanzoor> anybody home ?
[07:51] <kmanzoor> ping()
[07:51] <skfin> pong()
[07:51] <kmanzoor> :)
[07:52] <kmanzoor> i have Gutsy Gibbon 7.10. can i try upgrading to the next version using Adept ?
[08:20] <BigKing_2nd> hi, maybe someone could help: i need a virtualization software using with the kubuntu 10.04 - i need a windows xp mode while operating with kubuntu
[08:20] <BigKing_2nd> maybe someone could say which software could word very well.
[08:28] <livingdaylight> have run into an issue where wine doesn seem able to launch an application. I installed wine 1.2 and thought to downgrade to 1.1 however it appears that there is no v. 1.1? Its 1.0 or 1.2 Can somone comment onthis?
[08:31] <nata> BigKing_2nd: may be could try virtualbox
[08:31] <nata> virtual 1 new xp
[08:33] <BigKing_2nd> ok, this is a software, i can run also unter windows 7 ... this is very good, because there are user, who work with this os
[08:33] <BigKing_2nd> virtual 1 new xp??? -> i dont understand
[08:34] <BigKing_2nd> is it another software than virtual box?
[08:38] <BigKing_2nd> which deb-paket is have to install... while softwaremanagement shows a lot packets?
[08:39] <BigKing_2nd> virtualbox-ose or -guest, -fuse, -qt, -dkms, - guest-additions, -dgb
[08:41] <james147> BigKing_2nd: install "virtualbox-ose"
[08:52] <BigKing_2nd> ok, i works... but how can i install windows xp... is it installed by virtual box or i have to do it... maybe with an original windows boot cd?
[08:52] <james147> BigKing_2nd: you need to start virtualbox, create a new virtual mecheine, then use the xp cd to install it to that mechiene
[08:58] <livingdaylight> james147: any experience /recommendations regarding wine on kubuntu?
[08:58] <james147> livingdaylight: using the latest dev version is normally the best
[08:58] <james147> http://www.winehq.org/download/deb << to install it
[08:59] <james147>  /upgrade to the latest
[08:59] <james147> http://appdb.winehq.org/ << is very helpful when trying to get applications to work
[08:59] <livingdaylight> james147: I believe i am but got an app thatś not launching; hence thought i should perhaps downgrade? Seems the latest is not the most stable/or reliable for running everyinthg wine can do.
[09:00] <james147> livingdaylight: depends on what application
[09:00] <james147> some just dont work ^^
[09:01] <livingdaylight> james147: this one definitely does. MT4 - have been running it on ubuntu for years.
[09:01] <james147> what version of whine?
[09:01] <james147> wine ^^
[09:05] <livingdaylight> james147: wine 1.2.2 on Ubuntu
[09:05] <james147> livingdaylight: latest is 1.3.x
[09:06] <livingdaylight> james147: but 1.2.2 is running mt4 on ubuntu but 1.2 is not running it on kubuntu - thatś perplexing me
[09:06] <james147> weird :p you might want to ask on #winehq for better info
[09:07] <livingdaylight> james147: if i've installed 1.2 from repos, and say want to install another version, needst I purge current installed version, or just remove or ignore even?
[09:07] <livingdaylight> yea, thought it could be a kubuntu (kde) quirk
[09:08] <james147> livingdaylight: not seen the gui your running make a difference to wine before
[09:08] <livingdaylight> james147: dont get the question?
[09:08] <james147> and if you install the ppa then you should be able to upgrade, you shouldnt need to purge
[09:08] <livingdaylight> ok
[09:09] <livingdaylight> ppa installed, just need to refresh muon?
[09:09] <james147> yea
[09:09] <james147> insstall wine1.3 is there are no offers to upgrade
[09:13] <livingdaylight> no, wine 1.3 here
[09:14] <james147> "wine1.3" is the package name i think (no space)
[09:15] <livingdaylight> james147: 1.3 not listed, but 1.2 had an 'upgradeable 'flag . My bad...
[09:23] <james147> livingdaylight: hmm, there should be a wine1.3 package ^^ you sure you refreshed the packagelist?
[09:26] <livingdaylight> james147: manually installed 1.3 still same problem.
[09:27] <james147> :(
[09:28] <dfaure> is there a known issue in 10.04 where kmail would often get stuck (keyboard doesn't work) and then resume after 10-20s? Logs might point to nepomuk
[10:05] <Chronos> does someone know wich is gnome "nm-applet" corrispettive under kde?
[10:11] <james147> Chronos: the network manager widget ^^
[10:14] <Peace-> james147: did you know this ? wicd by default :S http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/23/plasma-desktopMf1671.jpg
[10:15] <james147> Peace-: dont think that will do much without wicd installed though :p
[10:15] <Peace-> james147: works :)
[10:15] <Peace-> i have not widc :P
[10:15] <james147> Peace-: are you sure its doing anything?
[10:15] <Peace-> nothing :)
[10:16] <james147> ^^  so it dosnt work then
[10:16] <Peace-> james147: :P i have tried
[10:16] <Peace-> and it load the deamon only
[10:16] <Peace-> guess
[10:17]  * james147 cant even click apply ^^
[10:17] <Peace-> LOL
[10:17] <james147> o wait ^^ its a preference order
[10:17] <Peace-> hehehe
[10:18] <Peace-> yea
[10:18] <james147> dosent seem to make any difference, my guess is because I dont have wicd, and thus its skipping to nm
[10:19] <Peace-> james147: i guess you have to restart the network service
[10:20] <james147> ^^ doupt it will work without installing wicd, and i dont feel like remoiving nm
[10:21] <Peace-> you don't need to remove anygthing
[10:22]  * james147 remembers nm being removed the alst time he tried to install wicd
[10:27] <ua> hello every body
[10:27] <ua> need help
[10:27] <james147> !ask | ua
[10:28] <susundberg> stating the problem with little more details might help ;)
[10:28] <susundberg> oh
[10:29] <ua> ok, can i install geparted directly on Gui in my machine?thank you
[10:29] <ua> i am new user in kubuntu
[10:30] <gr8m8> !info gparted
[10:30] <james147> ua: gparted, yes... although you cannt use it to modify mounted hard drives ^^ so its normally best to use form a live cd
[10:32] <ua> james147>thank you for answer, i'd like to increase the size partions  /home  &/boot, cause it's full;
[10:32] <ua> so you suggest me to use live cd, do you?
[10:32] <james147> ua: you need to do that from a livdcd
[10:33] <ua> ok, thank you,   i'll do it now, i hope it 'll work
[10:34] <ua> i mean , i am going to do it with live cd
[10:37] <ua> i tested to change it with other machine  as curently pc with 2 systems, so it worked once on two, don't know why, do you know why?
[10:39] <ua> james147>are you there?
[10:39] <james147> ??
[10:40] <ua> can you tell me why please?
[10:40] <james147> not sure what your asking ^^
[10:42] <ua> why geparted  works one on two when i use 2 system win and linux?
[10:46] <ua> i mean the modifications i've done with geparted couln't apply
[10:46] <susundberg> ua: are you trying to resize the windows partition and thats not working?
[10:46] <susundberg> what were the modifications?
[10:49] <ua> yes i did,
[10:58] <ua> not for now , it was in the past, now i am trying to modify size partition /home and /boot , and i hope it'll work, i let you know
[10:58] <ua> thank you
[10:59] <susundberg> :o
[11:24] <dcorbin_work> My flash player crashes on EVERY page with flash.  Any ideas how to track down the problem?
[11:30] <Peace-> dcorbin_work: konqueror do the same?
[11:32] <dcorbin_work> Peace-: it doesn't tell me it crashed, but the youtube video doesn't play.  And youtube tell me to upgrade to flash player 10, which is what I think I have.
[11:44] <kmanzoor> hello
[11:51] <iceguest> hello, i'm having problems with the package chromium-browser, i get the message "The following plugin has crashed : Shockwave flash"; i've tried reinstalling both flash (last version from the deb of the website, or with the package flashplugin-installer) and chromium-browser but that didn't help; my chromium version is Chromium 12.0.712.0 Ubuntu 10.10
[11:57] <jules__> test
[11:57] <james147> jules__: Failed
[11:58] <kmanzoor> is Hardy Heron still supported ? i checked this on wikipedia. On kubuntu page it said it is not spported but on the ubuntu page it is mentioned that it is still supported.  I want to install the restricted extra - meaning i want to have the adobe flash. Should i upgrade all the way to 9.10 or i can keep on running Hardy Heron ?
[11:58] <james147> kmanzoor: ubuntu is supported, but the kde stuff in it isnt ^^
[11:59] <james147> kmanzoor: why not just upgrade to the latest version?
[12:00] <kmanzoor> well if life is possible without upgrade then why not save some time and enjoy the good things in life
[12:00] <jules__> anybody knows why my kopete doesnt work with yahoo? I am just new user
[12:09] <iflema> jules__: prob IM on way out = no love for kopete or crappy messenger provider that does not play nice... something like that... If you dont mind gnome libs/apps in ya KDE4 install try pidgin (libpurple) never fall behind. ALSO there is a yahoo web messenger available via a web browser. Ive not tried kopete in months but it was broken then and is broken now....
[12:10] <iflema> jules__: prob IM on way out = no love for kopete or crappy messenger provider that does not play nice... something like that... If you dont mind gnome libs/apps in ya KDE4 install try pidgin (libpurple) never fall behind. ALSO there is a yahoo web messenger available via a web browser. Ive not tried kopete in months but it was broken then and is broken now....
[12:10] <james147> iflema: there is allot of active work on a few framework for messaging in kde ^^ which should improve things onces its done... though that might be a while :(
[12:11]  * iflema bitlbee/libpurple ftw
[12:12] <jules__> i have pidgin but, there is no video chat support
[12:12] <iflema> lol
[12:12] <iflema> sorry
[12:14] <jules__> i have a  question. I am using my notebook  now and prefer netbook-plasma. Is it oke? netbook = notebook?
[12:15] <james147> jules__: the interface you use dosnt matter on what you use it...
[12:16] <james147> jules__: its called netbook because netbook ahve small screen, and its designed for small screens
[12:16] <jules__> okie. i really prefer kubuntu, its now my first os ^^
[12:16] <jules__> just use window for writing texts
[12:16] <james147> jules__: you can do that in kubuntu ^^ :)
[12:17] <jules__> formating problems
[12:17] <jules__> and fonts are not the same
[12:17] <james147> jules__: :( yeah, thats one problem... though nowadays I use latex when i can :) looks much nicer then word documents through is more complicated to get use to
[12:18] <jules__> every IT-STudent learns how to use latex. Its too difficult for me and i dont need latex. I must use .doc. When i must write some seminar paper. I switch to window
[12:19] <jules__> but Ubuntu is so highly developed so that user can problemless connect to the internet by wlan. some years ago it was very complicated to config that
[12:19] <james147> jules__: have you tried both koffice and open-office? see if either can render properly
[12:20] <james147> !info ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[12:20] <james147> ^^ that might help with the fonts issue
[12:21] <jules__> open office is automatically pre-installed by kubuntu and the other one koffice i dont think i have that
[12:30] <przemek_> hello guys, do we have today in stable repo ff 4.0?
[12:31] <Peace-> przemek_: who cares you can download the tar
[12:31] <Peace-> xD
[12:32] <james147> przemek_: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/firefox-4-ppa-for-ubuntu-10-04-and-10-10-users/
[12:32] <Pici> !ff4
[12:32] <kmanzoor> I have Adept 2.1 Cruiser 3.5.10. The instructions (for upgrading from 8.4 to 9.10) say that i must have adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 installed. How to solve this issue ?
[12:33] <Alvo> hi the wlan is not working in my kubuntu desktop (installed from Ubuntu)
[12:33] <Alvo> in gnome wlan works, how can i fix this?
[12:33] <Alvo> the wlan network themself are found
[12:35] <jules__> i install firefox but got minefield 4.0? xD
[12:35] <jules__> why?
[12:37] <james147> kmanzoor: why not upgrade to 10.04 (you should be able to upgrade from one lts to another)?
[12:37] <james147> Alvo: wep or wpa?
[12:38] <kmanzoor> james147 : i have the k ubuntu the instructions say that it is not possible
  wpa
  in gnome it works
[12:38] <scisteffan> Hey guys, how do I mount the following DMG file? Macintosh HD.dmg: Macintosh HFS Extended version 4 data (mounted) last mounted by: 'HFSJ', created: Sat Mar  6 18:40:41 2010, last modified: Wed Mar 23 08:59:56 2011, last checked: Sun Mar  7 02:40:41 2010, block size: 4096, number of blocks: 107980725, free blocks: 85696911
[12:39] <kmanzoor> how can one update  Adept 2.1 Cruiser 3.5.10 to adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 ?
[12:41] <james147> kmanzoor: update you system and you should have it ^^ but check the full version, 2.1.what?
[12:43] <kmanzoor> I went to Adept and used the About feature in the Help tab to find my version it said: Adept 2.1 Cruiser 3.5.10. Is my version older than adept-manager 2.1.3ubuntu25.2 ?
[12:44] <james147> kmanzoor: find that package in the package manager and check its version ^^
[12:44] <jules__> firefox 4.1 is installed, cool ^^
[12:46] <kmanzoor> ok i checked the version this way and it says that it is 2.1.3ubuntu25.2
[12:46] <james147> then you have the right version
[12:46] <kmanzoor> thanks james147. the problem solved by it self.
[12:47] <kmanzoor> this proves one thing -- some idiots dont know how to see the version..... lolz
[12:47] <kmanzoor> not some -- at least one
[12:47] <kmanzoor> ok i am going ahead with the instructions for upgrade from 8.4 to 9.10
[12:48]  * james147 suggest upgrading to 10.04 after thats finished....
[12:48] <jules__> is it possible to upgrade from 8.4 to 10.10 by one step?
[12:50] <kmanzoor> the instructions on ubuntu.com are advising against this jump for kubuntu users
[12:51] <kmanzoor> probably because kubuntu 8.4 was not given LTS status
[12:51] <jules__> okie, because i have a cd with version 10.08 iand i must install 4 times to10.10 , xD
[12:52] <james147> jules__: why not grab a new cd :)
[12:52] <jules__> yes, i already have downloaded 2 cds with 10.10 but there is a big problem with GRUB
[12:53] <james147> what problem?
[12:53] <jules__> everytime i try to install from 10.10 cd, i can not find the boat loader for kubuntu
[12:53] <jules__> that is why I still keep the old version cd since 2 years
[12:54] <james147> jules__: but it should be possibly to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10
[12:56] <jules__> yes i am now using 10.10 but i upgrade from 08.10 to 10.10
[12:57] <jules__> do you know why i can see yahoo website with konquerer?
[12:58] <james147> because konqueror is designed to display web pages?
[12:59] <jules__> yahoo.de is "web page" too
[12:59] <james147> you mean can't?
[13:00] <jules__> oh sorry yes
[13:00] <james147> de.yahoo.com/  works on konq here
[13:00] <jules__> I CANT see yahoo.de with konquorer
[13:00] <james147> though it renders better with the wekit backend
[13:01] <james147> jules__: what version of konq?
[13:01] <jules__> from 10.10 cd/ and KDE 4.6.1
[13:03] <james147> well, its working here ^^ try using the webkit back end (install  kpart-webkit) konw > view > view mode
[13:03] <james147> s/konw/konq
[13:03] <jules__> kpart-webkit?
[13:03] <jules__> via adept?
[13:04] <james147> jules__: yeah, it will allow konq to use webkit as a backend, and adept is no longer part of kubuntu, 10.10 uses kpackagekit instead :
[13:05] <jules__> shines complicated
[13:05] <jules__> :D
[13:05] <jules__> so what package should i install? what name?
[13:05] <jules__> kpart?
[13:05] <james147>  kpart-webkit
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[13:05] <jules__> kpart-webkit
[13:06] <jules__> adept cant find that package
[13:06] <james147> jules__: what version of kubuntu?
[13:06] <jules__> 10.10
[13:06] <jules__> maverick meerkat
[13:07] <james147> adept is no longer used in kubuntu ^^
[13:07] <jules__> but i have adept... and i can download package with adept
[13:07] <jules__> .... is  pre-installed
[13:07] <BluesKaj> adept is available in the repos
[13:08] <james147> jules__: ^^ it isnt preinstalled anymore, kubuntu comes with kpackagekit now... also ahve you refreshed the packagelists?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> obviously hasn't done a clean install for a few versions :)
[13:08] <jules__> i just upgrade from 08.10 to 10.10 hehe
[13:08] <jules__> kpackagekit
[13:09] <jules__> is new....to me
[13:09] <jules__> yes i have that too
[13:09] <jules__> but i used both programs
[13:09] <jules__> works till now
[13:09] <jules__> :D
[13:10] <Alvo> geez i would need a shortcut key to open the change shortcut key dialog
[13:11] <james147> Alvo: ^^
[13:11] <danubio> hi
[13:11] <danubio> have some problems with Wine
[13:11] <majsterek_> hello
[13:11] <james147> !ask | danubio
[13:12] <majsterek_> what music we listen ?
[13:12] <james147> majsterek_: amarok?
[13:13] <danubio> Exaile
[13:13] <danubio> like exaile
[13:13] <danubio> guayadeque too
[13:15] <majsterek_> sorry for errors, I'm from poland
[13:15] <majsterek_> i use deadbeef
[13:16] <majsterek_> is really good and light
[13:18] <jules__> :-) see you all, thank you james , ubottu
[13:18] <jules__> amarok is best
[13:19] <b2ag> hi everyone. is there a kde/qt application for ripping cdaudio which not depends on kio_audiocd?
[13:19] <majsterek_> no, too much load on your
[13:20] <majsterek_> see you ;)
[13:21] <james147> b2ag: most kde apps depends on kios as it makes them much less complicated to write ^^ any reason why you cant have that kio?
[13:21] <b2ag> james147: it doesn't work
[13:21] <b2ag> can see files and folders but copy does nothing
[13:21] <james147> b2ag: what version of kde?
[13:22] <b2ag> 4.6.1
[13:22] <james147> b2ag: i take it you have tried k3b?
[13:22] <b2ag> what should i do with k3b?
[13:23] <b2ag> i'Ve tried dolphin and copy dialog starts but thats it
[13:23]  * james147 thinks it is capable of ripping cd
[13:23] <b2ag> hangs forever
[13:24] <b2ag> i want to rip one track
[13:24] <james147> ^^ try k3b
[13:25] <b2ag> ah .. found something in k3b
[13:26] <b2ag> yeah
[13:26] <b2ag> many thanks
[13:27] <b2ag> james147 is my hero of the day
[13:31] <BluesKaj> hmmm, amarok is finally working ...again . Wonder for how long ...
[13:43] <anubis> Hallo, weiß einer wo man Einstellungen wie MMAP , MMAP+TRIM2 treffen kann?
[13:44] <anubis> Sollte in einem C-Programm gehen, wenn ich den Text hier richtig deute
[13:46] <BluesKaj> anubis, this the english chat
[13:46] <BluesKaj> is
[13:48] <anubis> sry, so the same again: does anyone where settings like mmap , trim2 oder mmap+trim2 exist? As far as i understand this text, there should be the possibility to change the mode memory is being allocated from within a c-program. Still i dont know what effect those settings have nor WHERE i can set em
[14:48] <miou> Bonjour tout le monde , voila ou j'en suis : systeme installé, configuré , sur fichier de systeme jfs , ayant perdu quelques fichiers apres une coupe d'éléctricité a mon domicile , j'ai voulu migré ma partition root vers du ext4(partition boot et /var non changée et en reiserfs), j'ai donc fait sudo cp -a sur les different fichiers vers une partition unix puis je les ait restaurer avec la même commande , j'ai également changé le fstab pour qu'il
[14:48] <miou> pointe vers le bon systeme de fichiers.  Conclusion:le systeme ne boote plus, toute aide est la bien venue...
[14:49] <jhunold> !fr | miou
[14:55] <miou> Hi everybody, I installed and configured my systeme on a jfs file system , everything working great , after a shortage of electricity , I lost some files and wanted to migrate my root file system to ext4 (I have a boot partition in reiserfs), I copied with sudo cp -a all the files then copied them back on the formated ext4 partition , I also changed the fstab to make it point to the correct filesystem.The problem is I cannot boot anymore the system , any help
[14:55] <miou> is warmly welcome.
[15:33] <shadeslayer> miou: the file permissions are probably all wonky now
[15:33] <shadeslayer> since  you used sudo cp
[15:34] <Daskreech> "probably"
[15:39] <miou> sudo cp -a
[15:39] <miou> Thank you for your answer...
[16:27] <greataussiepie> #connect
[16:41] <greataussiepie> anyone know an easy way to install the KDE gui on easypeasy?
[16:42] <greataussiepie> or a good tutorial??
[16:43] <Peace-> easy what=?
[17:40] <Alvo> hi i cannot shutdown i only have "lock out" , lock , switch user, hibernate, "suspend" in the KDE menu, where can i shutdown?
[17:40] <ua> my partition home is full, and boot also, how to clean my partition home and clean some lines or increase /boot? thank you
[17:41] <Alvo> kubuntu-desktop 1.205
[17:42] <ua> hello  hello, does anyone can help me?
[17:42] <Peace-> !anyone
[17:42] <Alvo> there is the ncdu utility to find where space is wasted
[17:42] <Alvo> ncdu /
[17:44] <ua> can you help me?
[17:46] <Peace-> !anyone | ua
[18:53] <ryrych> hi
[18:53] <ryrych> do you have the same problem as me? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/23/firefox2.png
[18:54] <ryrych> I switched off hardware acceleration
[18:54] <ryrych> as I was told but it did not help
[19:00] <quant> ryrych: my telepathy doesn't help me see what your problem is :)
[19:00] <quant> ryrych: yes, same here ;-)
[19:00] <ryrych> quant: graphical glitches below the cursor
[19:01] <ryrych> quant: a Qt problem?
[19:01] <quant> ryrych: the menus on the left side have a gradient, that's what is supposed to appear on the right as well, I think, but it's probably a bug
[19:01] <quant> ryrych: as far as I know, Firefox is GTK, but I'm not an expert on that
[19:01] <ryrych> quant: yes, I mean Qt curve or the lastest magic :)
[19:02] <ryrych> err… newest
[19:02] <quant> ryrych: looks to me like a pure Firefox bug, but I really wouldn't know
[19:04] <ryrych> quant: anyway, thanks for the confirmation. Sometimes there are problems with rendering the UI especially when you migrate from previous version of firefox. I had this problem today in the morning but removing the .mozilla helped
[19:05] <quant> ryrych: sure... it looks fine on windows, though, just for the info
[19:38] <velessky> И тишина....
[19:38] <velessky> И линуксоиды с косами стоят....
[19:39] <genii-around> !ru | velessky
[19:41] <kamran> i am having difficulty getting prints using HP P1102 (i am using kubuntu 9.10)
[21:03] <m477> can some1 help me with taskset? http://wklej.org/id/498894/
[21:18] <tsimpson> m477: did you mean "taskset -c 0 -p 5805"?
[21:19] <m477> yes
[21:19] <m477> same output
[21:19] <m477> tsimpson:
[21:20] <tsimpson> m477: try with "-p -c 0 5805"
[21:22] <m477> tsimpson: http://wklej.org/id/498918/
[21:22] <tsimpson> m477: then the process id is wrong
[21:23] <m477> y i see
[21:23] <m477> it changed
[21:23] <m477> but still is it same output
[21:23] <m477> http://wklej.org/id/498922/
[21:23] <tsimpson> how are you getting the PID?
[21:24] <m477> http://wklej.org/id/498924/
[21:24] <m477> tsimpson:
[21:25] <tsimpson> that's the PID of the grep you ran, not of xclock, and obviously grep exited after it finished
[21:25] <m477> oh
[21:25] <m477> then how can i get PID of process ?
[21:26] <tsimpson> that way, but xclock must be running
[21:27] <m477> tsimpson: but is it any way to check it without running the process?
[21:28] <tsimpson> you can check with "pidof -s xclock"
[21:28] <tsimpson> if it doesn't show anything, xclock isn't running
[21:29] <tsimpson> if it displays anything, it'll be the PID of xclock
[21:29] <m477> it doesnt
[21:29] <tsimpson> then xclock isn't running
[21:30] <m477> no
[21:31] <m477> other thing is im trying to see taskset --cpu-list and it shows me help
[21:32] <tsimpson> --cpu-list is the same as the -c option
[21:32] <m477> and i want to see then
[21:32] <tsimpson> it doesn't list the CPUs, it takes a list of CPUs you give it
[21:32] <m477> and it doesnt
[21:32] <m477> oh
[21:33] <m477> so how can i see avalible processors numbers?
[21:33] <tsimpson> it's the number or processors/cores you have
[21:33] <m477> or how many is there of them
[21:33] <m477> but im working on server
[21:33] <m477> and i dont know tht
[21:33] <m477> that
[21:34] <m477> or i want to just start two so i have to put "taskset -c 0,1" ?
[21:35] <tsimpson> run "egrep '^processor' /proc/cpuinfo" and see how many lines it prints
[21:35] <m477> ok i see
[21:35] <tsimpson> for -c you can use 0,1,2 or you can use 0-4 (For example)
[21:35] <tsimpson> or both
[21:35] <m477> thanks
[21:36] <m477> but other thing is that command as you told "pidof -s xclock" doesnt work ;/
[21:36] <m477> i checked for other process
[21:36] <m477> and it doesnt show nything
[21:36] <m477> anything*
[21:38] <tsimpson> m477: make sure the processes are running
[21:38] <tsimpson> try "pidof -s bash" for instance
[21:38] <tsimpson> or even "pidof -s pidof"
[21:42] <m477> tsimpson: it works, so it works for process which are running
[21:42] <tsimpson> yes, that's what is does
[21:43] <m477> but i want know which doesnt
[21:43] <tsimpson> if it doesn't show anything, then the process isn't running
[21:43] <m477> before i run process in taskset i want to know it PID
[21:44] <m477> do you know what i mean?
[21:44] <tsimpson> the PID gets assigned when a command is run, not before
[21:44] <tsimpson> and it's always unique
[21:44] <m477> so at first i have to run process and then in taskset change processors order?
[21:45] <tsimpson> you run the command, get it's PID, and use that in taskset
[21:46] <m477> ok
[22:02] <mpare> !list


[09:49] <fubsan> moin
[09:49] <fubsan> say, anyone uses a keith mcmillan qunexus?
[09:52] <fubsan> [  207.270739] usb 2-1: new full-speed USB device number 9 using xhci_hcd
[09:52] <fubsan> [  207.270895] usb 2-1: Device not responding to set address.
[09:52] <fubsan> [  207.474629] usb 2-1: Device not responding to set address.
[09:52] <fubsan> [  207.678303] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71
[09:52] <fubsan> bäng
[10:50] <fubsan> new kernel, same issue
[19:18] <holstein> fubsan: whats the issue?
[19:18] <holstein> its not working? its a USB device? typically, they are "class compliant" these days..
[21:09] <aqiruse> hello
[21:12] <aqiruse> if anyone is able, I need some help getting Ubuntu studio to reinstall and work correctly
[21:39] <zero__> 1966


[00:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#2381 closed: tools: copy in spread-shellcheck from snapd <Created by chipaca> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2381>
[05:40] <AuroraAvenue> seems to a docker issue.
[05:40] <AuroraAvenue> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1088170/docker-volume-error-over-snaps
[06:06] <mborzecki> morning
[06:58] <zyga> Hello
[06:59] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:59] <mborzecki> zyga: seen the news/
[07:36] <zyga> Yes, interesting times
[07:36] <zyga> Some small errands in the morning
[07:36] <zyga> But I will be around shortly
[07:36] <mvo> hey zyga !
[07:37] <mvo> zyga: good morning
[07:37] <mvo> zyga: interessting times indeed
[07:37] <zyga> Hey mvo
[07:37] <zyga> How are you feeling?
[07:37] <zyga> We have one page of reviews :-)
[07:38] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, nice to have you back :)
[07:41] <sil2100> mvo: welcome back! ;)
[07:42] <mvo> mborzecki, sil2100 thank you!
[07:42] <mvo> zyga: \o/ one page of reviews - awesome
[07:42] <mvo> zyga: I feel very tired :)
[07:42] <mvo> but beside that very happy to be back and being able to code again
[07:43] <mborzecki> mvo: i've took the liberty and pushed some changes to #6039, hope you don't mind
[07:43] <mup> PR #6039: snapstate: do not allow classic mode for strict snaps <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6039>
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you!
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: I have a look
[07:45] <zyga> I tried to as well but I could not make it pass so I aborted
[07:46] <mvo> mborzecki, zyga thank you guys! sorry that the tests were in a bad state, it was just hard to focus during the sprint but I get back to it today :)
[07:46] <mvo> I hope you had a good time?
[07:46] <mvo> anything I should know and missed?
[07:47] <mvo> sil2100: how are the stable images looking? I just promoted snapd 2.36 to stable (after a quick smoke test)
[07:59] <zyga> re
[08:00] <zyga> mvo: no worries man, you did great
[08:00] <zyga> mvo: I meant that I failed to make it better
[08:00] <zyga> it was late that night
[08:00] <zyga> mvo: we need to cherry pick one patch into stable
[08:00] <zyga> mvo: please ensure this is in the next release https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6044
[08:00] <mup> PR #6044: cmd/snap-confine: remove stale mount profile along stale namespace <⚠ Critical> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6044>
[08:00] <zyga> (of any kind)
[08:01] <pstolowski> morning guys, hey mvo, welcome back!
[08:01] <zyga> hey pawel!
[08:02] <zyga> pstolowski: did you read the news?
[08:02] <zyga> today is going to be interesting
[08:02] <zyga> and hey,
[08:02] <zyga> fedora 29 ships tomorrow
[08:02] <zyga> I wonder if people will notice that :)
[08:02] <zyga> (timing is a bit unfortunate)
[08:02] <zyga> mvo: not sure if good morning material
[08:02] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170
[08:02] <zyga> this is ready and green
[08:02] <zyga> and only missing an ack from gustavo
[08:02] <mup> PR #5170: interfaces/builtin: add adb-support interface <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170>
[08:02] <zyga> but it implements exactly what he asked for
[08:03] <zyga> so maybe we can land it?
[08:03] <mvo> hey pstolowski !
[08:04] <mvo> zyga: nice, I have a look over the open PRs next
[08:04] <zyga> woot, thank you :)
[08:04] <zyga> I will work on user mounts, so many little things have landed already
[08:04] <zyga> I need to run an errand around 11-13
[08:04] <zyga> but otherwise I will be here
[08:05] <mvo> zyga: anything else we need in 2.36?
[08:05] <zyga> mvo: perhaps but not from me
[08:05] <zyga> mvo: I think there are some things though
[08:05] <zyga> but my mind is very rusty still
[08:05] <zyga> we need to check the regression
[08:05] <pstolowski> zyga: ibm&redhat, or something else?
[08:05] <zyga> but I believe there was something else as well
[08:05] <zyga> pstolowski: yep
[08:05] <mvo> zyga: no worries, I will check if anything is marked
[08:05] <zyga> pstolowski: anything from you for 2.36?
[08:05] <pstolowski> right
[08:06] <kjackal> https://github.com/kubeflow/kubeflow/issues/1854
[08:07] <zyga> mvo: perhaps cherry pick https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5739 if feasible
[08:07] <mup> PR #5739: interfaces/default: don't scrub with change_profile with classic <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5739>
[08:08] <pstolowski> zyga: nothing new from me for 2.36, the 2 criticals i had are there already
[08:09] <zyga> pstolowski: great
[08:09] <zyga> pstolowski: in 2.36 or in edge?
[08:09] <zyga> (master)
[08:15] <pstolowski> zyga: in release/2.36
[08:23] <zyga> mborzecki: anything for 2.36 you want in badly?
[08:24] <mborzecki> zyga: not really
[08:24] <mborzecki> we're doing .1 already?
[08:26] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, I think we need a .1 anyway
[08:27] <mvo> mborzecki: iirc zyga mentioned something critical, need to log at the branch to remember what it was exactly
[08:27] <sil2100> mvo: thanks! So far so good, they're still in testing by the cert team, I'm waiting for the US to wake up to get more info
[08:27] <sil2100> mvo: didn't see any news since Friday
[08:28] <zyga> mvo: there's this as well: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6026
[08:28] <mup> PR #6026: cmd/snap: try not to panic on error from "snap try" <⚠ Critical> <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6026>
[08:28] <mvo> sil2100: thank you
[08:28] <mvo> sil2100: fwiw, the pi3 b+ works for me now with 4.15
[08:28] <sil2100> mvo: should we re-spin for the new snapd? Is there anything critical in the 2.36 for core18 GA?
[08:28] <zyga> and this but I presume this is in the release branch as well https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6027 (didn't check)
[08:28] <sil2100> mvo: \o/ ;)
[08:28] <mup> PR #6027: overlord/ifacestate: don't conflict on own discard-snap tasks when refreshing & doing garbage collection <Squash-merge> <⚠ Critical> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6027>
[08:29] <mup> PR snapd#6053 closed: cmd/snap, daemon, strutil: use CommaSeparatedList to split a CSL <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6053>
[08:30] <mborzecki> mvo: in that case https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6030 is a nice improvement and https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6049 may help resolve dbus issues we were seeing under spread
[08:30] <mup> PR #6030: cmd/snap: tweak `snap services` output when there is no services <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6030>
[08:30] <mup> PR #6049: cmd/snap, userd, testutil: tweak DBus tests to use private session bus connection <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6049>
[08:32] <mup> PR snapd#6054 opened: strutil: add extra test to CommaSeparatedList as suggested by mborzecki <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6054>
[08:41] <zyga> mvo: you can also perhaps consider https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6048 for 2.36 - it is a low risk bugfix
[08:41] <mup> PR #6048: cmd/snap-exec: don't fail on some try mode snaps <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6048>
[08:46] <mvo> zyga: thanks, I check that (and the ones from mborzecki) out now
[09:01] <mup> PR snapd#6055 opened: tests/main: fixes for the new shellcheck <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6055>
[09:09] <zyga> Hey Chipaca
[09:30] <Chipaca> zyga: oi music turtle
[09:32] <zyga> Nice, each?
[09:32] <zyga> Eh :-)
[09:33] <Chipaca> yeah
[09:33] <Chipaca> i think this just nerd-sniped my brother :-)
[09:33] <zyga> I’m waking up, slow day ahead
[09:33] <zyga> I love things like that,
[09:33] <zyga> Exactly the software that shapes imagination
[09:34] <chesty> Hi, I was chatting to Chipaca earlier, he pin pointed the problem I'm having with an x2goclient snap I'm playing with. x2goclient is trying to open /var/lib/gdm3/.ssh/known_hosts when trying to open a connection (it uses libssh), my user isn't in /etc/passwd, it's on freeipa and the last entry in /etc/passwd is the gdm user with the home /var/lib/g
[09:34] <chesty> dm3. So it appears libssh is trying to find my users home dir, it isn't found in /etc/passwd so it uses the home dir of the last entry in /etc/passwd.
[09:35] <Chipaca> zyga: ^ is anything we're doing using the last entry in /etc/passwd when it doesn't find something?
[09:35] <Chipaca> or is that libssh?
[09:35] <zyga> Hmmmmm
[09:35] <zyga> That would be weird, let me think and look
[09:35] <Chipaca> chesty: did you add a line to /etc/passwd to check it was the last line and not some even weirder fluke?
[09:36] <Chipaca> chesty: when we talked last we were talking about the qt libs, where did libssh enter? is libssh qt?  (i wouldn't think so)
[09:36] <zyga> ^ smart idea!
[09:36] <Chipaca> maybe it was there all the time and i missed it =)
[09:37] <chesty> Chipaca, I'll do that now. btw before I was looking at x2goclients source code, it is using QDir::homePath, but I believe opening known_hosts would be done by libssh which x2goclient uses, it tunnels everything through ssh
[09:39] <mvo> Chipaca: hey, good morning (have nothing for you, just want to friendly say hello :)
[09:40] <Chipaca> mvo: hey! good morning =) aren't you going to take a day off or seven?
[09:41] <mvo> Chipaca: yes! wed->fri I will be off
[09:42] <mvo> Chipaca: but today and tomorrow I work or I will fall asleep the entire day, i.e. fighting jetlag this way :)
[09:42] <mvo> Chipaca: and it works great so far (together with copious amounts of tea)
[09:42] <Chipaca> chesty: https://git.libssh.org/projects/libssh.git/tree/src/misc.c#n223 says it should be falling back to HOME if getpwuid_r fails
[09:42] <Chipaca> mvo: ok
[09:42] <mvo> Chipaca: *but* please bear with me if I'm a bit slow today
[09:42] <mvo> (mentally)
[09:42] <Chipaca> mvo: we managed to get the PRs down to one page! despite my efforts
[09:43] <mvo> Chipaca: I notied, I was super impressed. I think this means that gustavo/samuelle/mvo should be away more often ;)
[09:44] <Chipaca> mvo: some of the ones not closed are waiting for your (plural) reviews
[09:45] <mvo> Chipaca: ok - I have a look and see what I can do to fix that :)
[09:46] <Chipaca> mvo: #6054 is gtg fwiw
[09:46] <mup> PR #6054: strutil: add extra test to CommaSeparatedList as suggested by mborzecki <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6054>
[09:46] <chesty> I added a new user to /etc/passwd which is now the last entry and x2goclient/libssh now tries to open known_hosts in that users home dir
[09:47] <mup> PR snapd#6054 closed: strutil: add extra test to CommaSeparatedList as suggested by mborzecki <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6054>
[09:47] <mvo> Chipaca: looks like it got merged already :)
[09:52] <Chipaca> chesty: are you running this on amd64, and is the snap you're trying to use based on 'core'?
[09:54] <chesty> yes and idk, it's ubuntu 18.04 using the 16.04 base for the snap built in a docker
[09:54] <mup> PR snapd#6055 closed: tests/main: fixes for the new shellcheck <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6055>
[09:55] <Chipaca> chesty: right
[09:55] <Chipaca> so
[09:55] <Chipaca> that ssh_get_user_home_dir is buggy
[09:55] <chesty> and I believe this might  explain why things like spotify and skype snaps didn't work for me
[09:55] <Chipaca> chesty: I did this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nwTc45hDft/
[09:56] <Chipaca> chesty: then I build and run it like this: gcc -Wall -o q q.c && sudo -u \#12345 ./q
[09:56] <mup> Bug #12345: isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?) <isdnutils (Ubuntu):Fix Released by doko> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345>
[09:56] <Chipaca> chesty: and that returns the last entry in /etc/passwd
[09:57] <chesty> wow, you're a machine. I can't even open my editor that quick
[09:57] <Chipaca> and indeed, the manpage for getpwuid_r says
[09:57] <Chipaca> If no matching password record was found,  these  functions  return  0  and
[09:57] <Chipaca>        store NULL in *result.  In case of error, an error number is returned, and NULL is st
[09:58] <Chipaca> it's checking for error, but not for nothing-found
[09:58] <chesty> sounds like you get to submit a pull request to libssh and earn another notch on your belt
[09:58] <Chipaca> that check hsould be   if (rc != 0 || pwdbuf == NULL) {
[09:59] <Chipaca> yeah, i'm on it
[09:59] <Chipaca> I wonder if actual ssh has the same issue
[09:59] <Chipaca> how do i send a pull request to libssh though
[09:59]  * Chipaca looks
[10:01] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hopefully not another cve for libssh :)
[10:05] <mup> PR snapd#6056 opened:  cmd/snap, userd, testutil: tweak DBus tests to use private session bus connection (2.36) <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6056>
[10:14] <mborzecki> #6039 is green :)
[10:14] <mup> PR #6039: snapstate: do not allow classic mode for strict snaps <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6039>
[10:18] <zyga> mborzecki: approve it :)
[10:19] <mborzecki> zyga: heh pushed too many patches there
[10:19] <zyga> indeed,
[10:19]  * zyga did 2nd coffee
[10:19] <zyga> today I feel so sleepy I can barely keep my eyes open
[10:19] <zyga> what's wrong :/
[10:22] <zyga> mvo: are there any agreements on 5845 (dot-files)
[10:25] <mvo> zyga: unfortunately not, I will try to come up with a better name today
[10:25] <mvo> zyga: and propose that and see what happens
[10:25] <zyga> no worries, thank you for letting me know
[10:25] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/ for 6039
[10:25] <zyga> with 23 PRs left we can easily go after what's left :)
[10:27] <mvo> zyga: yeah
[10:28] <Chipaca> chesty: https://bugs.libssh.org/T118
[10:29] <Chipaca> chesty: and if you want you can apply that patch locally to build your snap
[10:40] <chesty> firstly, legen, wait for it,  dary.  Secondly, I might do that soon, I will need to learn how to build a package in a snap first.  In the meantime I'm going to work around it by modifying /etc/passwd. I still haven't got x2goclient to work, now it's complaining about a missing lib, /usr/lib/libXcomp.so.3, I added ilibxcomp3 to stage-packages but it
[10:40] <chesty> 's still complaining about it missing, ldding it it looks like libpng12.so.0 is missing. I wonder if that's a package dependency bug
[10:44] <mup> PR snapd#6057 opened: snap-exec: add comment about usage of ReadInfoExceptSize() <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6057>
[10:45] <cjwatson> Chipaca: OpenSSH does not have the same problem, as far as I can see
[10:46] <cjwatson> I don't think they have much if any code in common
[10:46] <Chipaca> cjwatson: tks
[10:46] <mup> PR snapd#6058 opened:  cmd/snap-exec: don't fail on some try mode snaps (2.36) <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6058>
[10:50] <mborzecki> hm postgresql* snap does not have ny services declared
[10:54] <Chipaca> mborzecki: I think that's because they need to run as non-root
[10:54] <mup> PR snapd#6056 closed:  cmd/snap, userd, testutil: tweak DBus tests to use private session bus connection (2.36) <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6056>
[10:57] <chesty> I don't understand what's going on, I added libpng12-0 to stage-packages but it's not finding its way into the snap.
[11:04] <tomwardill> hi! pre-refresh hooks (again). I have a snap installed that does not have a pre-refresh hook. If i then install a new version that does, the hook does not run. It looks like the pre-refresh hook runs in the 'installed' context, not the 'to-be-installed' context. Anything I can do to fix that?
[11:07] <Chipaca> tomwardill: that does not sound like something that needs fixing
[11:07] <pstolowski> tomwardill: use post-refresh hook
[11:07] <pstolowski> it runs in the new snap
[11:07] <tomwardill> pstolowski: can a post-refresh hook reject the refresh?
[11:08] <tomwardill> contextL I
[11:08] <tomwardill> context: I'm trying to avoid upgrading to a version that requires database features that we don't have in the old version
[11:10] <zyga> tomwardill: who ships the database4?
[11:10] <zyga> tomwardill: perhaps epochs could be used to solve that?
[11:11] <tomwardill> zyga: not us, we configure it, but using a connection that is provided by the machine admin
[11:11] <pstolowski> tomwardill: yes it should, it's run as one of many tasks handling the transition to a new revision and if it fails, we undo everything and go back to the previous revisions
[11:11] <tomwardill> yeah, it's starting to look like an epochs use case
[11:11] <zyga> aha
[11:11] <zyga> tomwardill: given what you said I don't think epochs can do that
[11:11] <tomwardill> except we don't have superuser control, so there's not a lot we can do about it either way
[11:11] <chesty> should libraries in usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ in the snap be found?
[11:12] <tomwardill> zyga: ah, right.
[11:12] <tomwardill> pstolowski: aha, I didn't realise post-refresh could do that, that sounds more like what I'm after then.
[11:12] <zyga> chesty: if snapcraft arranges for it yes
[11:12] <zyga> they are not added to LD_LIBRARY_PATH automatically
[11:12] <chesty> oh, well there's my problem
[11:13] <tomwardill> pstolowski, zyga: I'll give post-refresh a poke and see if that will do what I'm after. Thanks for the help :)
[11:13] <pstolowski> tomwardill: sure, yw. simply make it exit with !=0 to make entire change fail
[11:16] <Chipaca> chesty: that's usually done by a wrapper script
[11:17] <Chipaca> tomwardill: pstolowski: zyga: note epochs aren't there yet
[11:17] <chesty> Chipaca, will this work too? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42991501/snapcraft-custom-ld-library-path
[11:17] <tomwardill> ah yeah, that is also a problem for that approach :)
[11:18] <Chipaca> chesty: given that that kyle is this kyrofa, i'd say it'll either work or you can harass him (you win either way!)
[11:19] <Chipaca> chesty: although you two are mutually antipodean
[11:19] <Chipaca> so good luck
[11:19] <Chipaca> (well, not exactly, kyrofa might be -8 or something)
[11:25] <pstolowski> cachio: hey!
[11:25] <pstolowski> cachio: fyi, i've found the way for passing custom serial number to serial port adapters created with qemu
[11:28] <mvo> has anyone seen:
[11:28] <mvo> FAIL: <autogenerated>:1: ctxSuite.TestWriter
[11:28] <mvo> context_test.go:50:
[11:28] <mvo>     // but we copied things until the deadline hit
[11:28] <mvo>     c.Check(n, check.Not(check.Equals), int64(0))
[11:28] <mvo> ... obtained int64 = 0
[11:28] <mvo> ... expected int64 = 0
[11:28] <mvo> yet?
[11:28] <zyga> waaaht?
[11:28] <mvo> looks like a racy test, just happend in the snpad autobuild
[11:28] <zyga> nope
[11:29] <Chipaca> what's the what about?
[11:29] <zyga> we could use the new int checker btw but that's unrelated
[11:29] <Chipaca> that's Not() output
[11:29] <Chipaca> it can be confusing
[11:29] <Chipaca> it obtained int64(0), and it expected _not_ to obtain the "expected int64(0)"
[11:29] <zyga> yeah, I read this now
[11:30] <Chipaca> ah ok
[11:30] <Chipaca> maybe we can patch Not to prepend NOT to the 'expected' line =)
[11:30] <Chipaca> or append "... NOT!"
[11:30] <cachio> pstolowski, nice
[11:30] <cachio> do yo have an example?
[11:31] <Chipaca> ... obtained int64 = 0
[11:31] <Chipaca> ... expected int64 = 0 ... NOT!
[11:31] <cachio> I was playing with confiugration failes
[11:31] <zyga> Chipaca: that's a nice idea
[11:31] <zyga> NOT :D
[11:31] <zyga> (it's a nice idea)
[11:31] <cachio> pstolowski, to configure any kind of device
[11:31] <mvo> Chipaca, zyga btw, did we find out more about the kernel permission issue that cachio  found in 2.36 testing?
[11:31] <zyga> no
[11:31] <Chipaca> mvo: that's not on my radar at all
[11:31] <pstolowski> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fDLL0JuA/
[11:31] <pstolowski> cachio: ^
[11:33] <pstolowski> cachio: and it seems undocumented.. they depcreated -serial=... option but didn't document that new one
[11:34] <mvo> Chipaca: ok, no worries, lets talk about it during the standup. I may have (sleepy) cycles for this :)
[11:35] <mup> PR snapd#6058 closed:  cmd/snap-exec: don't fail on some try mode snaps (2.36) <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6058>
[11:35] <zyga> Chipaca: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/447722772/log.txt
[11:35] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PyCaVZMe/
[11:35] <mvo> Chipaca: sorry for bothering you so much today, but have you seen http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P2zHPvrFMJ/ before?
[11:35] <zyga> I think the test should have failed when "snap save. .." failed
[11:36] <zyga> missing error check?
[11:36] <zyga> Chipaca: ^ FYI that's exactly the same problem :}
[11:36] <mvo> heh
[11:38] <Chipaca> mvo: no worries
[11:38] <Chipaca> mvo: I have seen that error, but not in that test since I added the "run something from the snap" step
[11:39] <Chipaca> mvo: zyga: I'll push a PR so we get more logs if it happens again
[11:39] <mvo> Chipaca: ta
[11:43] <cachio> pstolowski, nice
[11:44] <cachio> pstolowski, is it iportant ofor you to have other information such as vendor?
[11:47] <Chipaca> mvo: zyga: there was also one that happened sporadically on amazon linux,  where the uid was -2
[11:47] <zyga> oh
[11:47] <zyga> right
[11:47] <zyga> last night
[11:47] <pstolowski> cachio: only important factor is that vendor is present and constant (doesn't get random values like serial by default), which seems to be the case
[11:47] <zyga> well, apart from the weekend that is
[11:48] <Chipaca> mvo: zyga: I maintain what I said on Friday about that: it's my considered opinion, after much and careful thought, that i can't even.
[11:48] <Chipaca> * not that much thought
[11:51] <Chipaca> zyga: question: given that the size from ReadInfo wouldn't be useful for trys even if it weren't dangling, why not use an Lstat instead of a Stat?
[11:51] <zyga> hmmm
[11:51] <zyga> how would stat make it better?
[11:51] <zyga> lstat that is you silly spellchecker
[11:51] <Chipaca> zyga: the problem is that the symlink is dangling, right?
[11:51] <zyga> you would stat the symbolic link itself, and?
[11:52] <Chipaca> zyga: so it doesn't error out
[11:52] <zyga> no, the problem is that symlink is controlled by the user
[11:52] <zyga> and we are in a mount namespace
[11:52] <zyga> so the user can point it a nearly arbitrary things
[11:52] <zyga> we cannot traverse it, period
[11:52] <Chipaca> zyga: how is the symlink controlled by the user?
[11:52] <zyga> Chipaca: because whoever "snap try"ies controls it
[11:52] <Chipaca> zyga: how?
[11:53] <Chipaca> zyga: the symlink is created by snapd, not by the user
[11:53] <zyga> the symlink is created by snapd to point to the directory picked by the user
[11:53] <zyga> look at the test case in that branch
[11:53] <Chipaca> ok, hold on
[11:53] <Chipaca> before we go there
[11:53] <cachio> pstolowski, ok
[11:53] <cachio> vendor is fixed
[11:53] <zyga> you can come up with creative use of "snap try /proc/..."
[11:53] <Chipaca> zyga: the stat is done to get the size of the snap
[11:53] <zyga> mhm
[11:53] <cachio> pstolowski, so it should not be  a problem
[11:53] <Chipaca> zyga: that won't work for trys
[11:54] <zyga> but under the assumption that it points to a file
[11:54] <zyga> which is not the case in try mode snaps
[11:54] <Chipaca> zyga: hold on let me finish
[11:54] <zyga> ok
[11:54] <pstolowski> cachio: most likely not, i'll now for sure when i've the test passing
[11:54] <Chipaca> zyga: if it's a symlink, we should not follow it for two reasons, it won't be what we need to get the size,  and the user  might have tricked snapd somehow
[11:54] <zyga> aha, I see the reasoning now
[11:54] <zyga> so just lstat all the time
[11:55] <Chipaca> zyga: in both cases, using lstat fixes the issue
[11:55] <zyga> and if it was a symlink, don't do more
[11:55] <zyga> yep
[11:55] <zyga> I agree
[11:55] <Chipaca> zyga: the right thing would be to do lstat, check the filename,  and fill in size if it's a regular file
[11:55] <Chipaca> keeps the api  simpler
[11:55] <Chipaca> zyga: now, about the other thing, how would you trick snapd into pointing the symlink to something it shouldn't? via a race?
[11:55] <Chipaca> hmmmm
[11:56] <zyga> no
[11:56] <zyga> not really
[11:56] <Chipaca> well, snapd does a validation before enabling it
[11:56] <zyga> what kind of validation?
[11:56] <zyga> that it looks like a snap
[11:56] <Chipaca> maybe it's a toctou
[11:56] <Chipaca> yeh
[11:56] <zyga> do we check that there are no symlinks along the way?
[11:56] <zyga> do we check afterwards?
[11:56] <zyga> can we then rm -rf /old/path
[11:56] <Chipaca> what happens if we tell it to snap try a symlink? does it normalize?
[11:56] <zyga> and then ln -s /proc/evil ?
[11:56] <Chipaca> yeah
[11:56] <zyga> yep
[11:56] <Chipaca> lots of questions
[11:57] <Chipaca> in any case the lstat is the right approach here i think
[11:57] <Chipaca> but i'd like to know the answers to these other things as well =)
[11:57] <Chipaca> zyga: should I push a pr?
[11:58] <zyga> or I can if you want me to
[11:58] <zyga> I feel sleepy and this is a good think to wake up with
[11:58] <Chipaca> zyga: +1, i'm in snapshot-ate-my-brunch land
[11:59]  * zyga hugs chipaca
[11:59] <zyga> and takes a snapshot
[11:59] <Chipaca> also need to get lunch going
[12:20] <zyga> Chipaca: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6059
[12:20] <mup> PR #6059: snap: use Lstat to determine snap size, remove ReadSnapInfoExceptSize <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6059>
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#6059 opened: snap: use Lstat to determine snap size, remove ReadSnapInfoExceptSize <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6059>
[12:21] <Chipaca> zyga: I had too much on my plate last week, but I _think_ pstolowski suggested lstat on the original pr
[12:22] <zyga> perhaps but I didn't get the idea then
[12:22] <Chipaca> i'm just now getting the bandwidth to think about it =)
[12:24] <Chipaca> zyga: it was kyrofa !
[12:24] <Chipaca> heh
[12:26] <zyga> brb
[12:32] <cachio> zyga, hey https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9W39q9S2H4/
[12:32] <cachio> I am getting that denial on the cifs test
[12:33] <cachio> zyga, any idea if I should need to plug any other interface?
[12:36] <diddledan> cachio: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/namespace-awareness-of-run-mount-utab-and-libmount/5987
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#6057 closed: [RFC] snap-exec: add comment about usage of ReadInfoExceptSize() <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6057>
[12:38] <mborzecki> zyga: i'm runnig spread tests with centos branch rebased on current master and got a problem with parallel services, we do bind mounts from snap_foo to snap, seems like that whenerver the mount ns of a snap exists and we try to remove a location on the host that is bind mounted inside snap's ns we get device os resource busy
[12:38] <mborzecki> zyga: snap-discard-ns makes the problem go away
[12:39] <cachio> diddledan, nice, thanks
[12:46] <zyga> mborzecki: this is a kernel bug
[12:46] <zyga> It was fixed later
[12:46] <zyga> I doubt we can work around it
[12:46] <zyga> cachio: let me look
[12:47] <zyga> Ah, I see
[12:48] <zyga> cachio: let me know if we should do utab mount
[12:50] <cachio> zyga, I just have pushed the changes for the test
[12:50] <mborzecki> zyga: do you have a link to lp? something i could use to open a bug in rh bugzilla
[12:51] <Chipaca> standup is in ten minutes?
[12:51] <Chipaca> dang
[12:51] <Chipaca> need to re-get-used to it
[12:52] <mborzecki> w8, in 10 minutes now?
[12:53] <mborzecki> hmm, dst change
[12:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> mvo, Chipaca: tested on 2.36 https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1791587/comments/7. Something is still wrong there
[12:53] <mup> Bug #1791587: snapd ignores proxy settings set via core snap <cpe-onsite> <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1791587>
[12:53] <Chipaca> Dmitrii-Sh: did you (or somebody from your team) talk in SLC as we last discussed?
[12:54] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca: yes, I talked to mvo about this
[12:54] <Dmitrii-Sh> he asked me to test on 2.36
[12:54] <Dmitrii-Sh> just following up
[12:54] <Chipaca> ah ok
[12:54] <Dmitrii-Sh> what we agreed on is that /etc/environment should not be touched on classic systems (it isn't now by the looks of it)
[12:55] <Dmitrii-Sh> and that this is a bug indeed \
[12:55] <Dmitrii-Sh> just needed to test on the latest to make sure as there are release notes suggesting that it was fixed
[12:56] <mvo> Dmitrii-Sh: thanks, I look into it then
[12:57] <mvo> Chipaca: context> we have the in-config proxy config now, this should work so I need to figure out where the gap is
[12:58] <Chipaca> mvo: AFAIK it fails when core isn't installed;  works ok after
[12:58] <Dmitrii-Sh> mvo: there's a simple test: install a squid proxy on a host system, launch a container with snapd and squashfuse, remove the default gateway in that container
[12:58] <Chipaca> mvo: at least that's what I got from Dmitrii-Sh week before last =)
[12:59] <Dmitrii-Sh> the container will have a route only to the local subnet for communication with the host and will be able to use a proxy
[12:59] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca: I can try again
[13:00] <mvo> Chipaca: yeeah, sounds reasonable, still puzzling that it does not work without core but something to figure out :)
[13:00] <Chipaca> Dmitrii-Sh: when you built 2.36, how did you then run it?
[13:01] <mborzecki> standup?
[13:01] <Chipaca> omw
[13:01] <mborzecki> zyga: ^^
[13:02] <Chipaca> mvo: ^
[13:02] <Chipaca> cachio: ^?
[13:02] <mvo> Chipaca: need to restart pulseaduio first
[13:02] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca, mvo: yes, enabling default gateway, installing core, disabling gateway and trying to download other snaps works. I can also see that snapd connects to the proxy via strace
[13:02] <mvo> JamieBennett: want to join the standup?
[13:02] <zyga> what, already?
[13:02] <zyga> sorry, joining
[13:02] <Chipaca> mvo: i thought jamie was on holiday
[13:02] <Chipaca> dunno about niemeyer
[13:03] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca: ran snapcraft cleanbuild, then I copied the resulting snap to the target system, unsquashfs-ed it and rsynced the /usr/lib/snapd/* and /usr/bin/snap* to relevant system dirs
[13:03] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca: snapcraft also builds a deb but it got deleted after cleanbuild
[13:04] <Chipaca> Dmitrii-Sh: this was with no snaps installed?
[13:04] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca: yes, no snaps installed at first. Then I installed the core snap only and disabled the gateway
[13:04] <Dmitrii-Sh> it then started to respect the proxy settings
[13:11] <Chipaca> Dmitrii-Sh: the output of 'snap version' would be good, if you do over
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> snap --version
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> snap 2.36
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> snapd 2.36
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> series 16
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> ubuntu 18.04
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> kernel 4.15.0-34-generic
[13:17] <Dmitrii-Sh> Chipaca: it's in the comment here https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1791587
[13:17] <mup> Bug #1791587: snapd ignores proxy settings set via core snap <cpe-onsite> <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1791587>
[13:18] <Dmitrii-Sh> btw, might be worthwhile to triage this bug for tracking
[13:55] <mup> PR snapd#6060 opened: overlord/snapshotstate/backend: be more verbose when SNAPPY_TESTING=1 <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6060>
[14:15] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids
[14:15] <zyga> mvo: can you look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170 as a satiny check before we merge it please
[14:15] <mup> PR #5170: interfaces/builtin: add adb-support interface <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170>
[14:16] <zyga> mvo: and if you consider it sane we could even add it to 2.36.1
[14:16] <zyga> since it is a new feature
[14:16] <niemeyer> Hey, I forgot to ask: how was the mic volume/quality?
[14:16] <mvo> zyga: I have a look, for 2.36.1 we need to squash merge it
[14:16] <zyga> that's ok
[14:16] <mvo> niemeyer: quality was good afaict
[14:17] <niemeyer> mvo: Thanks, it was an external USB mic, so wondering if it's good for htat kind of meeting too
[14:25]  * pstolowski lunch
[14:26]  * cachio lunch
[14:34]  * zyga -> lunch
[14:41] <mvo> zyga: 5170 looks fine, wonder if it makes sense to have a spread test that just double checks that the right files are created on connect etc?
[14:48] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks for pushing that patch to 6039, i missed that comment from zyga
[14:49] <mvo> mborzecki: my pleasure - thanks for all your help with this one, much more tricky than I anticipated
[15:02] <Chipaca> pstolowski: when do you want to talk about that pr?
[15:17] <zyga> mvo: I can look into that
[15:18] <mvo> zyga: thanks! something simple if fine
[15:18] <mvo> zyga: is fine
[15:21] <pstolowski> Chipaca: in 30?
[15:28] <zyga> re
[15:41] <zyga> Chipaca, pstolowski: do you want me to participate as well?
[15:45] <zyga> mvo: I wrote a test, if it passes I'll push it and merge when green
[15:46] <Chipaca> pstolowski: zyga: fine by me
[15:46] <zyga> just tell me when :)
[15:47] <Chipaca> in 12 minutes would be ok. In 2 hours would be better =) but probably too late
[15:52]  * zyga found a bug in snaps.sh make_snap
[15:52] <zyga> 12 minutes would be ok but if you want we can also do tomorrow
[15:52] <mvo> zyga: cool
[15:53] <pstolowski> it can be tomorrow morning if you prefere that Chipaca, zyga
[15:53] <Chipaca> pstolowski: zyga: tomorrow morning \o/
[15:53] <zyga> yeah, I prefer to do reviews in the morning
[15:54] <zyga> and coding in the evening
[15:54] <Chipaca> ye
[15:54] <pstolowski> sure
[16:09] <zyga> Chipaca: remember the lstat thing?
[16:09] <zyga> it regresses :D
[16:09] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xJJ4C4SL/
[16:09] <zyga> but I'd argue it doesn't regress because bind mounts are magic
[16:10] <sil2100> uugh
[16:11] <zyga> sil2100: ?
[16:15] <Chipaca> zyga: what the wha?
[16:15] <zyga> Chipaca: Lstat now shows a snap the _used_ to be broken as not broken
[16:15] <zyga> but not really because it's not really broken
[16:15] <zyga> because it works after the mv
[16:16] <zyga> so ... :)
[16:16] <Chipaca> heheh
[16:17] <Chipaca> zyga: and does it _actually_ work?
[16:17] <Chipaca> zyga: or is that snap now broken?
[16:17] <zyga> I suspect so, it's the next thing in my pipe
[16:17] <zyga> because the symlink is broke
[16:17] <zyga> but the bind mount is not
[16:17] <zyga> so why would it break?
[16:17] <zyga> just found it funny :)
[16:25] <mup> PR snapd#6061 opened: tests: fail if install_snap_local fails <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6061>
[16:26] <zyga> Chipaca: one small for you https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6061 :)
[16:26] <mup> PR #6061: tests: fail if install_snap_local fails <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6061>
[16:35]  * Chipaca goes for a run
[16:35] <zyga> cachio: hey
[16:35] <zyga> cachio: the cifs test failed with
[16:35] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/I87puih6/
[16:38] <zyga> Chipaca: it works,
[16:38] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UR39vPVm/
[16:41] <Chipaca> zyga: and with a non-trivial snap? =)
[16:41]  * Chipaca is picky
[16:44] <cachio> zyga, yes this is the error I mentioned before
[16:45] <cachio> zyga, let me re-xecute it here
[16:57] <cachio> zyga, I see this error
[16:57] <cachio> [  607.220089] audit: type=1400 audit(1540832191.979:52): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.test-snapd-cifs-mount.sh" name="/run/mount/utab" pid=23728 comm="mount" requested_mask="wrc" denied_mask="wrc" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[16:57] <cachio> this denial appears with the error you displayed before
[17:04] <mup> PR snapd#6062 opened: tests: add test to ensure proxy is used even without core <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6062>
[17:09] <zyga> Chipaca: re
[17:09] <zyga> I think it would work with any snap because:
[17:09] <zyga> aww, I wanted to paste something but then spread session ended
[17:09] <zyga> because the mount point shows what was there originally
[17:09] <zyga> unless you start to rm file by file
[17:10] <zyga> cachio: that's an attempt to modify utab
[17:10] <zyga> cachio: we share utab with the host today so we should not modify it
[17:10] <zyga> cachio: we should probably change the interface and debug this more
[17:12] <cachio> zyga, you mean to allow access to this file as part of the interface?
[17:13] <zyga> cachio: not really, we would have to make sure that file is not really there
[17:13] <zyga> and allow the snap to read and write a fake copy
[17:17] <mup> PR snapd#6061 closed: tests: fail if install_snap_local fails <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6061>
[17:21] <cachio> zyga, ah, ok, I'll try that
[17:21] <zyga> cachio: I think this needs some changes to the interface
[17:21] <zyga> cachio: I can look at that tomorrow
[17:21] <zyga> Chipaca: so to respond to your question:
[17:21] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xgHWy2hn/
[17:21] <zyga> cachio: I was trying to say that I think the test shows that some things are probably wrong and we need to revisit the interface
[17:22] <zyga> Chipaca: as you can see the snap is not broken
[17:22] <zyga> Chipaca: not sure if I should change the test to instead rm the snap.yaml file
[17:22] <zyga> Chipaca: like this:
[17:22] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9fhnCc46/
[17:41] <zyga> we need a 2nd review on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982
[17:41] <mup> PR #5982: interfaces/many: conditionally use 'unsafe' with docker-support change_profile rules <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982>
[17:49]  * zyga EODs
[17:49] <zyga> ttyl!
[18:27] <Chipaca> zyga: change the test, but RFC it so we talk about what is going on when this happens
[18:28] <Chipaca> zyga: the question is: if this happens, and it happened by accident, what's the least surprising thing we can do so the user knows what's up
[18:29] <Chipaca> zyga: and if it happens on purpose, double-check we're not opening the door for something dumb
[18:42] <zyga> Chipaca: I pushed the change
[18:59] <Chipaca> zyga: ack
[18:59]  * Chipaca EODs, mostly
[19:02] <cachio> pstolowski, I think I have a good solution to speedup nested vm executions
[19:03] <cachio> pstolowski, I'll send you an email with the details after I can test the solution works properly
[19:13] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4tieerHP/
[19:13] <zyga> Chipaca: ^ is that the additional logs you were looking for?
[19:13] <Chipaca> zyga: they'll be in the snapd log
[19:13] <zyga> one sec
[19:15] <zyga> hmm
[19:15] <zyga> I cannot see that
[19:15] <zyga> perhaps this is the partial log from before the feature landed?
[19:15] <Chipaca> um
[19:15] <Chipaca> zyga: the feature isn't landed
[19:16] <Chipaca> it's got .99 of a review
[19:16] <zyga> aaah
[19:16] <zyga> right
[19:16] <zyga> so that's all I know :)
[19:16] <Chipaca> =)
[19:16] <zyga> I'll re-trigger it
[19:16] <Chipaca> yeah, need moar logs
[19:16] <zyga> and we should both EOD
[19:16] <Chipaca> yes
[19:16] <Chipaca> i need to make dinner
[19:16] <zyga> enjoy the evening :)
[19:16] <Chipaca> or i'll be eaten alive by feral teenagers
[19:16] <Chipaca> ttfn
[19:20] <cachio> kyrofa, hey
[20:22] <kyrofa> Hey cachio, what's up?
[20:27] <cachio> kyrofa, tomorrow I'll update images and the nested vm will change the name
[20:27] <cachio> on gce
[20:28] <cachio> it already exists and it is called ubuntu-1604-64-virt-enabled
[20:28] <cachio> and ubuntu-1804-64-virt-enabled
[20:28] <cachio> it is part of a reorg I am doing
[20:29] <cachio> both image names will be available the whole week
[20:30] <cachio> the idea is that this week we chagne the image names
[20:30] <cachio> does it work for you?
[21:27] <kyrofa> cachio, no problem at all, I'll propose the change now
[21:27] <mup> PR snapd#5170 closed: interfaces/builtin: add adb-support interface <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170>
[21:28] <kyrofa> Thanks for the heads up!
[21:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#2387 opened: spread: change virt-enabled image name <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2387>
[21:35] <kyrofa> cachio, that ^ look okay?
[22:08] <cachio> kyrofa, the image is ready
[22:08] <cachio> so if you want to test the xenial one
[22:08] <cachio> you can so it, I'll create the bionic one now
[22:17] <cachio> kyrofa, image for bionic is ready
[22:39] <Chipaca> cachio: o/
[22:40] <Chipaca> cachio: could you send me steps for creating the image so I can repro https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/8176 ?
[22:46] <cachio> Chipaca, sure
[22:47] <cachio> Chipaca, https://github.com/sergiocazzolato/snappy-qa-jobs
[22:47] <cachio> git clone https://github.com/sergiocazzolato/validator.git
[22:47] <cachio> cd validator
[22:47] <cachio> sudo ./create.sh beta
[22:48] <cachio> Chipaca, sudo ./create.sh beta pc-amd64
[22:48] <cachio> that will create the image you need
[22:48] <Chipaca> nice
[22:48] <Chipaca> thanks
[22:48] <cachio> amd64: sudo kvm -snapshot -smp 2 -m 1500 -net nic,model=virtio -net user,hostfwd=tcp::8022-:22 -nographic -serial mon:stdio <PATH_TO_VM_IMAGE>
[22:48] <cachio> I use that command for the vm
[22:49] <cachio> Chipaca, np
[22:49] <Chipaca> cachio: this is uses ubuntu-image as in 16.04?
[22:52] <cachio> yes
[22:52] <cachio> it uses ubuntu image
[22:53] <cachio> the .deb one
[22:57] <Chipaca> cachio: how do i get the new kernel?
[22:59] <cachio> Chipaca, ahh
[22:59] <cachio> :)
[22:59] <cachio> the problem is that I created my images with the old kernel on beta
[22:59] <cachio> which was updated
[23:00] <cachio> now you can't reproduce that
[23:00] <Chipaca> cachio: well i can refresh to 18/stable or sth
[23:00] <cachio> I can share my image with you perhaps
[23:00] <cachio> yes
[23:00] <Chipaca> but that doesn't give me a delta
[23:00] <Chipaca> which might be the key difference
[23:01] <Chipaca> I'm looking at that
[23:01] <Chipaca> cachio: is it easy to build an image with beta snapd but stable kernel?
[23:01] <cachio> otherwise I can share the image I have
[23:01] <cachio> but it is gonna take some time
[23:02] <cachio> Chipaca, let me check
[23:04] <Chipaca> HAH
[23:04] <Chipaca> it's the deltas
[23:04] <Chipaca> cachio: no worrries
[23:05] <Chipaca> cachio: this is not a regression, but it is a bug
[23:05] <Chipaca> i shall fix
[23:05] <Chipaca> … somehow =)
[23:07] <cachio> Chipaca, as I see you can add which snaps you want to use
[23:07] <cachio> as a parameter
[23:08] <cachio> but I didn't test it with the kernel
[23:08] <cachio>         --channel "$CORE_CHANNEL" \
[23:08] <cachio>         --output "$WORK_DIR/ubuntu-core.img" "$EXTRA_SNAPS"
[23:08] <cachio> Chipaca, you can try that
[23:08] <Chipaca> cachio: no worries
[23:08] <Chipaca> cachio: I found the bug, as I said ^
[23:08] <cachio> Chipaca, ok
[23:08] <cachio> Chipaca, hehe
[23:08] <cachio> much better
[23:09] <cachio> Chipaca, thanks for chasing this
[23:09] <Chipaca> np
[23:09] <cachio> I'll go to the gym now :)
[23:09] <cachio> see you tomorrow
[23:10]  * cachio afk
[23:20] <mup> PR snapd#6063 opened: store: also make snaps downloaded via deltas 0600 <Simple 😃> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6063>
[23:20] <Chipaca> cachio: ^ fwiw
[23:55] <mup> PR snapd#6064 opened: many: move regexp.(Must)Compile out of non-init functions into variables <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6064>