[09:07] <mpt> What's the appropriate verb for dismantling a RAID array, so that its disks/partitions are available for individual use?
[09:08] <mpt> "Dismantle"?
[09:08] <mpt> "Abolish"?
[11:25] <xnox> mpt:        --stop The   devices   should   be  active  md  arrays  which  will  be
[11:25] <xnox>               deactivated, as long as they are not currently in use.
[11:25] <xnox> but
[11:26] <xnox> i'd rather use the inverse term. Assemble & Disassemble
[11:26] <xnox> but in actual fact you should add more warning
[11:26] <xnox> e.g. "Assemble & Destroy"
[11:26] <xnox> because all data will be lost.
[11:30] <mpt> I think that would be better as the subtitle for the next Avengers movie
[11:34] <ogra_> could we combine the two ?
[11:34]  * ogra_ wouldnt mind watching avengers while partitioning
[11:35] <xnox> ogra_: we can always ship a customized ubuntu-slideshow package, possibly playing a movie or something like that =)
[11:35] <ogra_> heh
[12:43] <xnox> mpt: debconf is not handling utf-8 characters well. So instead of "You’ll choose a security key in the next step." I will have "You will ..."
[12:44] <mpt> xnox, why is it debconf at all?
[12:44] <xnox> mpt: don't ask.... internal implementation detail of how these whole translations are done.....
[12:45] <xnox> or possibly a mistake of assuming ASCII for English....
[12:45] <xnox> a minor bug for laters =)
[12:45] <mpt> xnox, sounds to me like you're trying too hard to reuse strings
[12:50] <xnox> mpt: well we have Gtk+ and Qt interfaces...
[12:52] <mpt> That doesn't mean it needs to be a @$#%!ing debconf prompt
[12:52] <mpt> (excuse me, that was directed at debconf, not at you:-)
[12:56] <mpt> xnox, ok, I just talked this over with ev and he explained why we use debconf
[12:56] <mpt> xnox, but he also pointed out that Ubiquity is translated into lots of languages, so there shouldn't be a problem with Unicode
[12:57] <xnox> hm... ev: so I am using a UTF-8 character in the actuall "C" locale debconf template.
[12:57] <xnox> and it ends up as question mark boxes in the UI.
[13:02] <infinity> Unicode is fine, but not in the C template.
[13:02] <infinity> (Why do people insist on unicode apostrophes?)
[13:04] <infinity> xnox: The C templates have to work with non-unicode locales and debconf frontends, so they really are ASCII.  That's not likely to change.
[13:04] <infinity> xnox: But, it's not rocket science to s/’/'/ surely?
[13:05] <infinity> That said, it's probably better style to not use contractions anyway.
[13:05] <xnox> mpt: ^^^^ enjoy the above reply.
[13:05] <xnox> infinity: but it is possible to translated into en_GB with UTF-8 apostrophe right?!
[13:05] <infinity> Non-native speakers often find contractions rather confusing, especially 'll
[13:06] <infinity> xnox: Sure, as long as the C string has ', the translations can have ☭ for all I care.
[15:06] <mpt> infinity, we prefer proper apostrophes 80% because it's the right thing to do, and 20% to demonstrate to independent developers the level of care we'd like them to take too.
[15:06] <mpt> But, if the choice is between "you'll" and "you will", ehhhh
[15:07] <infinity> mpt: Well, see my note above about foreign speakers often finding contractions confusing.
[15:07] <infinity> mpt: Don't assume that everyone installing in English speaks English natively.
[15:08] <infinity> "'ll" and "'ve" are the two worst offenders for confusing non-native speakers.
[15:09] <infinity> mpt: Anyhow, I take exception with the "right thing to do" comment, especially when you add the "example to other developers" bit, since "the right thing to do for C strings" is never to use non-ASCII characters. :P
[15:09] <mpt> infinity, we use contractions in other places too: "It’s safer to connect to AC power before updating", "This window isn’t closing because the application Foo has stopped responding."
[15:10] <infinity> mpt: Oh, I know we use them all over.  It was just a style point.  And 's and n't aren't nearly as confusing to people as 'll and 've, since the latter two involve verb conjugation.
[15:10] <mpt> But, fair point on someone installing being less likely to be fluent in the language they're installing in than someone using other parts of the OS.
[15:10] <infinity> To a non-native speaker, a sentence with 'll or 've appears to have no verb.
[15:11] <infinity> (Or, appears to no verb?)
[15:12] <mpt> 'll always comes before a verb, but I get your point
[15:12] <mpt> it's hiding the auxiliary
[15:13] <infinity> Fair point.  I suppose the odd cases where will isn't a modifier would never use a contraction, but you get the point anyway. ;)
[15:13] <infinity> (Wow, try saying "I'll your head to explode" out loud, it's slightly hilarious)
[15:15] <mpt> "Will you take this woman to be your lawful wedded wife?" "I'll."
[15:15] <infinity> Suddenly, I need to get married, just to say this.
[15:18] <xnox> mpt: isn't it "do you take..."?
[15:18] <mpt> It varies.
[15:18] <xnox> ok
[15:25] <infinity> Yeah, "I will" versus "I do" seems very regional.


[00:00] <Wafficus> like I moved the copy of my main.py to where it should be in the actual automirror section
[00:00] <Wafficus> all I want to do is just upload the entire directory into the correct phab section
[00:05] <Wafficus> wxl: Hey sorry to ping you again, just I might have some personal things to deal with tonight, and want to make sure I get the commit in
[00:05] <Wafficus> wxl: I only ask cause I think Simon has that interview on behalf of Lubuntu.
[00:06] <Wafficus> If anyone could help me with the commit, I'd appreciate it cause the guide isn't too beginner friendly (honest opinion, though I'm trying my best)
[00:08] <wxl> @Wafficus: what's the number of your revision number?
[00:08] <Wafficus> I don't even know :/
[00:08] <wxl> go look on phab
[00:08] <Wafficus> I'm still stuck on that step
[00:09] <wxl> sorry i'm at work
[00:09] <Wafficus> wxl:
[00:09] <Wafficus> wxl: gotcha
[00:11] <Wafficus> wxl: alright well I guess I'll try tomorrow midday or night then.
[00:11] <Wafficus> wxl: Its D24
[00:11] <Wafficus> wxl: For the new one
[00:13] <wxl> nope
[00:13] <wxl> D23
[00:13] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23
[00:14] <Wafficus> yeah you're right sorry
[00:15] <wxl> so basically make a workdir, git clone, cd to the repo, then `arc patch D23`, then apply your changes, git add, `arc diff`
[00:15] <Wafficus> I literally have a working directory named WORKDIR
[00:15] <Wafficus> this contains calamares-settings-ubuntu
[00:15] <Wafficus> so cd to calamares-settings-ubuntu
[00:16] <wxl> yes but you have to `arc patch D23` before making changes
[00:16] <wxl> you can `git stash`
[00:16] <wxl> then do that
[00:16] <wxl> then ummmm `git pop`? i don't remember the command
 @wxl @tsimonq2 I have the git clone and thlibreoffice_6.1.2.orig.tar.xz (plus others)
 my question is where shoul I untar the source?
[00:17] <wxl> here's how to deal with stashes https://git-scm.com/book/en/v1/Git-Tools-Stashing
[00:17] <wxl> @HMollerCl it should end up laid out in the same folder containing the debian folder
[00:18] <Wafficus> wxl: yeah I forgot, this is a different comp, I'll do the arc specific commands at the bottom first
[00:18] <Wafficus> wxl: I did the the previous commit on the dead laptop
[00:18] <wxl> if the tarball is in the parent folder, @HMollerCl, the packaging command for untaring should work
[00:18] <wxl> @Wafficus: just do exactly what i said
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl it should end up laid out in the same folder containing the deb …], the git doesn't have a debian folder, it has a debian-l10n
[00:19] <wxl> link me to that again?
 https://code.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-debian-pkg/+ref/ubuntu-cosmic-6.1
[00:21] <wxl> ah
[00:22] <wxl> that repo IS the debian folder.. which is weird
[00:22] <wxl> i
 j
[00:22] <wxl> i'd do something like workdir (containing tar) > debian (renamed clone folder)
 ok
 so in workdir I now  have libreoffice (the clone that I shoudl rename to debian) and libreoffice-6.1.2. Is ok?
 git status is origin/ubuntu-cosmic-6.1 shousl I change to ubuntu/cosmic ?
[00:51] <Wafficus> wxl: What would be the phabricator.uri for D23?
[00:53] <Wafficus> wxl: even worse, is I forgot there was these confusing steps regarding the arc installation too
[01:00] <Wafficus> nevermind, I kinda of get it, I made a directory in bin called "arcAndPhab", and pointed the bash.bashrc file to it via that PATH command
[01:05] <Wafficus> the section: arc install-certificate section didn't authenticate for me.
[01:06] <Wafficus> inside the calamares-settings-ubuntu directory, I have the .arcconfig file with the uri pointing to the D23 patch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23
[01:07] <Wafficus> wxl: Ah well, I guess I'll check into tomorrow night. hopefully you or Simon can help me do this then cause I can't do this via Termux on my phone with all this arc stuff that's involved. I'll be available again fully tomorrow 7:30 PM EST onward
 git checkout ubuntu/cosmic ... error: pathspec 'ubuntu/cosmic' did not match any file(s) known to git.
 dch doesn't work here
 how should I contyinue?
 @HMollerCl [git checkout ubuntu/cosmic ... error: pathspec 'ubuntu/cosmic' did not match any fil …], What is there to check out?
 Just checking I'm in the correct branch
[02:25] <wxl[m]> @Wafficus: the first step is doing all the requirements. The uri shouldn't change from what it says
[02:26] <wxl[m]> @HMollerCl stick with their branch scheme. If you rename libreoffice folder to debian and you are in workdir, dch should work
[02:27] <wxl[m]> @ddevault hi! Welcome! Here to help or observe or what?
[02:27] <ddevault> to idle
[02:27] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Dude, that's sircmpwn :)
[02:27] <tsimonq2> I like the IRC nick
[02:32] <wxl[m]> Oh hah
[02:32] <tsimonq2> uhhhhh where's lugito?
[02:35] <tsimonq2> So lugito is being weird.
[02:35] <tsimonq2> It can't send stuff here apparently.
[02:35] <tsimonq2> lolWAT
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS8914c0f210ca: Add a changelog entry.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS8914c0f210ca
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3b7201bf6681: Add screenshot of brightness and version.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3b7201bf6681
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALef83d58718db: Add missing version numbers for most of prefrences.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALef83d58718db
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4f252de34d47: finish upgrade to reboot and start of command to remove clutter.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4f252de34d47
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2063
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGING8c2c6c557de0: Update symbols from build logs.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGING8c2c6c557de0
[02:36] <tsimonq2> THERE we go
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2044
[02:36] <tsimonq2> go lugito go lugito go lugito go
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2046
[02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2048
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS10e4174f7127: Grab logo.png back because it's still referenced.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS10e4174f7127
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc55838767a87: Add htop useage and a screenshot.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc55838767a87
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7588cd0e1bbe: Add version and screenshot of appearance.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7588cd0e1bbe
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2047
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2054
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2059
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED84ba8de81e1c: Make Quassel a recommend.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED84ba8de81e1c
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEEDf4b501ae2577: Add Trojita as our email client.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDf4b501ae2577
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING3902601982bd: Another seed update.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING3902601982bd
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL871758b7c99a: add version of time and date.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL871758b7c99a
[02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2058
[02:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2061
[02:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS27ac1c016127: Add -E to the Calamares desktop icon call so that our nice theming carries over…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS27ac1c016127
[02:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2062
[02:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2049
[02:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7b637fff058b: Start chapter for upgrading to 18.10 from previous releases.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7b637fff058b
[02:38] <tsimonq2> All the requests should be mostly flushed now.
[02:38] <tsimonq2> So cool.
[02:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2050
[02:38] <tsimonq2> Something broke it, who knows what?
[02:38] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:40] <tsimonq2> Anyway wxl[m], https://phab.lubuntu.me/T61
[02:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Our xscreensaver theme is too old: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T61
[02:40] <tsimonq2> Take a look.
[02:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5691a53d8521: Add screenshot for qterminal.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5691a53d8521
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1049853621754572800
[02:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEEDf355a9049594: Add grub-efi-ia32 to ship-live.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDf355a9049594
[02:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^ and that takes care of no network 32-bit EFI on 64-bit system install.
[02:56] <tsimonq2> s/install/installs/
[02:56] <tsimonq2> Edge case within an edge case, fun.
[02:59] <tsimonq2> guiverc: I just looked at the ISO QA tracker, HOLY COW you've been doing a lot of testing!
[02:59] <tsimonq2> Thank you!
[02:59] <tsimonq2> (Yes, in Wisconsin, cows are holy. Sue me. :P)
[03:00] <guiverc> you're most welcome
[03:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2903a8b72bab: More packages to the list to be purged.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2903a8b72bab
[04:34] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you still need a diff on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97 ?
[04:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97
[04:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T61: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T61#2067
[04:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL49d16e4e35db: More list to things to purge after upgrading] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL49d16e4e35db
[04:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2070
[05:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2074
[05:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2075
[05:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL93bdb8278fc8: rm screengrab which is no longer in the seed] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL93bdb8278fc8
[05:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf47019e917b9: Add upgrading to toctree in index.rst] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf47019e917b9
[05:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2076
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2077
[06:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2078
[06:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2079
[06:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2080
[07:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL92e74c553906: add some useage of appearance.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL92e74c553906
 wxl: did you compile trojita with support for gpg? I'm kinda struggling to make it decrypt my emails.
[11:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2082
[11:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T61: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T61#2084
 Checking in, can anyone help me later tonight around 7:30 pm EST to do that commit
 ?
 That might be a possibility.
 I only ask because you guys are waiting on me and I'm having a hard time following that guide. Even when this commit is done I'm gonna suggest changes to it since it's not beginner friendly tbh for a few reasons I'll go into later.
[12:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2085
[14:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2087
[14:59] <wxl> @marneu yeah gpg support is supposed to be there
 @wxl [<wxl> @marneu yeah gpg support is supposed to be there], dammit. it works fine in thunderbird, so the keyring daemon or the key itself is probably not the issue.
[15:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2089
[15:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i don't see you have the rebuilt pcmanfm-qt in a ppa eh?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i don't see you have the rebuilt pcmanfm-qt in a ppa eh?], Not yet
[15:09] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you want to roll with that and i'll look into the potential for gpg issues with trojita?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: you want to roll with that and i'll look into the potential for …], Sure.
[15:11] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i guess calasettings 24 needs uploaded?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: i guess calasettings 24 needs uploaded?], Yeah.
[15:12] <wxl> that's just an arc land eh?
[15:12] <wxl> if so i still got the repo and can jfdi
 Land your change, but we also need @Wafficus' stuff in before I upload.
 What was left with that? Just need to grab his changes?
[15:13] <wxl> yeah pretty much it just needs to be done
[15:13] <wxl> i could do that but it would be nice to show him how to do it right
[15:14] <wxl> if we do that it's not going to happen until tonight
 I can JFDI and we can show him later.
 We're tight on time.
[15:15] <wxl> i could probably do that too
 Go ahead.
[15:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS9c6c1de9fe4a: Generalize installation of GRUB for EFI.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS9c6c1de9fe4a
[15:16] <wxl> gotta find his thing again
[15:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what about the webkit patches?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: what about the webkit patches?], WIP
 Make sure it's in the 18.10 blocker list so I can find it later.
[15:18] <wxl> good thx
[15:18] <wxl> it is
[15:26] <wxl> what's the python limit? 79?
[15:30] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-meta [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.15]
[15:43] <wxl> there ya go @tsimonq2 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23 (your work here is done @Wafficus; thanks)
[15:49] <wxl> lubuntu-meta is sitting in proposed............. waiting on arm :(
 wxl: cool thanks for including my revisions
[15:50] <wxl> np @Wafficus. just makes it easier. in retrospect, you would have had some problems with the `arc patch` because of conflicts, so it's probably for the best
[15:51] <wxl> admittedly they'd only be conflicts in debian/changelog so relatively easy to fix but still
 wxl: to be honest I'd love to sit down with you to improve the guide itself. It's thorough but kind of intimidating when I just want everything on a single page, and would prefer the detailed section first and have the simplified portion after with both sections hyperlinked at the top for ease of use by both types
 wxl: regardless I'm totally fine with you guys doing it for me cause my other old laptop didn't have that git setup anyway yet. Plus you did most of the organizational structure for that code anyway.
 wxl: with that out of the way, install qt on my other laptop and keep going through that guide right?
[15:55] <wxl> i think so
 wxl: check line 22 looks like a double import statement
 wxl: the more specific python3 library you want is just urllib.request
[15:58] <wxl> feel free to fix it :)
 wxl: I can't atm cause of work :/
 wxl: could I just edit it in the phab gui without all the git push stuff ?
 wxl: like on the phab page
[16:02] <wxl> nevermind
[16:03] <wxl> what should the line read? i just copied that frmo your code i thought
[16:09] <wxl> AW HELL
[16:10] <wxl> darn agaida! https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/trojita/browse/master/debian/rules$30
[16:10] <wxl> @Wafficus https://github.com/SBanya/lubuntuBugs/blob/master/bug1794844/main.py#L4
[16:27] <wxl> nice catch @marneu https://phab.lubuntu.me/D34
[16:28] <wxl> ^^ trojita fix @tsimonq2
[16:28] <wxl> bot is ded btw :)
[16:29] <wxl> hah! lubuntu-meta just went into release and new images are set to build in about 30 minutes so trojita should be in there.. but no encryption support until the above has landde
 @wxl [<wxl> nice catch @marneu https://phab.lubuntu.me/D34], I'm always happy to break stuff :D
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1050068447000973312?s=19
 wxl: my original code doesn't have two import statements lol
[17:04] <wxl> uh, there's only one import statement
[17:04] <wxl> i'm not sure what you're seeing
 wxl: the phab release had two but maybe I was overintepreting the text and maybe the red text meant it was taken out
[17:05] <wxl> that's what it means
 wxl: my bad. You're absolutely right
 wxl: hey wxl what's the release number coming up that I tested the trojita email client for?
 Got it it's  Lubuntu 18.10
 wxl: weird question but do you happen to remember the name of that beginner qt guide?
[17:50] <wxl> no. i just googled it
 wxl: gotcha
 No, wxl is wrong. He DuckDuckGo'ed it.
 XD
[17:51] <wxl> aw snap
[18:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T98: Proofread the Lubuntu Manual] isuzufan (Jeff) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98#2093
 (Photo, 266x51) https://i.imgur.com/zCu9TmH.jpg what do you think of changing LubuntuArc like this (the red one is firefox title bar less, also chromium does similar)
 We've been working with @TheWendyPower on it
[18:51] <wxl> looks good to me!
 It looks good to me too.
 should we chnage now? Or we wait? The screenshots won't match.
 I say we wait and put it in 19.04, as it is cutting things super close to the freeze.
[18:56] <wxl> i think that would be wise, too
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/AKUlEnB.jpg 'Desktop crashed too many times. Its autorestart has been disabled until next login.' ... (I already logged out and back in) ... This is from the new iso from earlier today.
[19:00] <wxl> @marneu oh yeah that's because of libfm-qt. @tsimonq2 is working on it
 @wxl [<wxl> i think that would be wise, too], good!
[19:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T98: Proofread the Lubuntu Manual] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98#2094
 My question regarding testing, is there a new iso every day that needs to be tested?
[19:08] <wxl> yep
[19:08] <wxl> the docs SHOULD say that
[19:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL35b366be00f8: Add how to change wallpaper and icon size] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL35b366be00f8
 in the wallpaper, should we say that it handle multiple monitors as only one big?
[19:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL33eb9b0a5db7: add how to change width and duration of desktop prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL33eb9b0a5db7
[20:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAARCHIVE35d1e306ef3a: DSC file for 1.15] Diffusion committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAARCHIVE35d1e306ef3a
[20:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAARCHIVEe66b56cc4a19: Import patches-unapplied version 1.15 to ubuntu/cosmic-proposed] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAARCHIVEe66b56cc4a19
[20:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAARCHIVE81660eb39fcf: Import patches-applied version 1.15 to applied/ubuntu/cosmic-proposed] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAARCHIVE81660eb39fcf
[21:15] <wxl> @lyorian: fun find for the docs on trojita: it DOES support multiple accounts, but via command line https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321374#c5
 wxl: can I include my idea to have the right click on desktop button to include resolution and wallpaper settings? That's one feature i think Windows does right imo. Or should I file it as an "issue", "bug", or "feature request"?
[21:29] <wxl> @Wafficus that would be something to file upstream, most likely with pcmanfm-qt
[21:30] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues
[21:31] <wxl> that's certainly a feature request/wishlist item and NOT a bug
[21:31] <wxl> the design criteria is NOT "make it like windows"
[21:31] <wxl> along those lines: i think the ribbon freaking sucks BAD
 @wxl [<wxl> along those lines: i think the ribbon freaking sucks BAD], msOffice ribon?
[21:49] <wxl> yes, that atrocity
 jajaja, the good thing is that you can hide it.
[21:54] <wxl> i usually hide it by NEVER USING WINDOWS XD
[21:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL45becdf5a2a5: Add stub on how to launch plasma and add to toctree.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL45becdf5a2a5
 wxl: I still want the option of a ribbon cause for office, it's good imo.
[21:59] <wxl> i don't think it's good for anything
[22:00] <wxl> ok i take that back
[22:00] <wxl> it's good for one thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5g_gs6nnyo
 No, it's good for one other thing
 SIMCOASTER IS THE BEST GAME EVER PROVE ME WRONG
[22:05] <wxl> uh
[22:06] <wxl> GameSpot's 6.8/10 might be telling
 DUDE NO
 NO
 IT IS THE BEST GAME
[22:07] <wxl> even in aggregate, 75%
[22:07] <wxl> so clearly not
 CIV4
 and in real life, catan
[22:09] <wxl> munchkin ftw
 Still the non right click on a desktop to customize it is dumb. Why menu dive when a two clicks could get me there
[22:11] <wxl> because by extension you can make that argument about EVERYTHING
 @Wafficus [Still the non right click on a desktop to customize it is dumb. Why menu dive wh …], or you can learn the shortcurts
 @wxl [<wxl> munchkin ftw], never heard of that, not good ranked in boardgamegeek.com
[22:12] <wxl> i love that game
 Or set a keybind
 Maybe but still you gotta admit why not. There already is a right click option on the desktop. Why not just put the resolution and wallpaper right there
 @Wafficus [Maybe but still you gotta admit why not. There already is a right click option o …], for resolution, you could create a script. I used to have a couple of them when I connected to different monitors.
 if you are interested I could sen them to you to try
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/s0lBVIKR/file_4197.xbm
 to use it replace the close.xbm in /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu Arc/openbox-3
 and if you want to change the color of close button, you should add this line in themerc  ... window.active.button.close.unpressed.image.color: #BA63D1


[02:48] <EventHorizon> morning...  any ideas why desktop is sometimes booting to tty1 instead of tty7???
[02:52] <EventHorizon> any ideas???  it is not happening often...
[04:17] <Samlompo> l
[07:29] <viewer|21592> Hi all. I tried to instal Kubuntu 16.04 in VirtualBox (Windows host), but on the third step whatever I did, button ">Next" is inactive. What I did wrong?
[08:19] <acheronuk> viewer|21592: give it a bigger virtaul disk. the virtualbox default of 8GB is too small.
[08:28] <viewer|21592> Thanks. It works ))
[09:11] <acheronuk> viewer|21592: great :)
[10:36] <mdsmedia> register mdsmedia
[10:40] <mdsmedia> join #nightlife
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:19] <BrokenNeckTech> Good afternoon!  I'm working with a gentleman whose pc I've just upgraded to Kubuntu 16.04 LTS.  We have a problem - we're trying to get flashplayer to install, and it doesn't seem to have an "installation candidate".
[13:19] <BrokenNeckTech> I've tried googling to find an answer, but the only answers I can find involve updating apt and trying to install it again.  Anyone else got any ideas please?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> BrokenNeckTech, which browser do you want to use
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:28] <BrokenNeckTech> Hi BluesKaj - We're looking to use firefox
[13:31] <BluesKaj> bro
[13:32] <BrokenNeckTech> Still here :)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> BrokenNeckTech, install the flashpugin-installer, not the player
[13:32] <BrokenNeckTech> The flashplugin-installer is installed
[13:33] <BrokenNeckTech> But it's not installing anything and I can't get it to actually *do* anything
[13:33] <BluesKaj> ok , so what issues do you have on websites
[13:33] <BrokenNeckTech> Missing items, websites telling us we need to install flash, etc
[13:34] <BrokenNeckTech> Can't play Bejeweled Blitz on facebook and so on
[13:34] <BluesKaj> it doesn't install anyrthing the name is misleading, id it's installed so is flash
[13:34] <BluesKaj> if=if
[13:34] <BrokenNeckTech> Hm.  So why isn't flash working?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> some sites use old flash versions that don't play on linux , I've encountered those myself
[13:35] <BrokenNeckTech> Firefox is giving no indication in the add-on's manager that flash is there
[13:35] <BluesKaj> not many IME tho
[13:36] <BrokenNeckTech> Would it be wise to uninstall the package and try again?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> did you type flash in the add ons search ?
[13:37] <BrokenNeckTech> yep
[13:37] <BrokenNeckTech> nothing
[13:37] <BluesKaj> wow , I get all kinds of flash options
[13:38] <BluesKaj> ok , have you updated and upgrade the OS sinc einstallation ?
[13:38] <BrokenNeckTech> I get things to install for downloading flash videos and stuff, like ripping from Youtube, but that's it
[13:38] <BrokenNeckTech> Yep, and that's finished
[13:39] <BrokenNeckTech> I'm having to fix my mind, I'm an old linux user, but I last used Kubuntu back at 12.04... things are still a bit rusty here!
[13:43] <BluesKaj> BrokenNeckTech, ok ,check /usr/lib/mozilla for flashplugin, just to make sure it's there
[13:45] <BluesKaj> click on plugins, there should be flashplugin-alternative.so installed
[13:46] <BrokenNeckTech> Sorry about that Blueskaj.  I lost connection
[13:47] <BrokenNeckTech> We're back on with flash.  I removed and reinstalled the flashplugin-installer, it must have broken during the first run, because flash now appears in the add ons manager
[13:48] <BrokenNeckTech> Sorry about leading you up the garden path, but everything looks good now.  I'll try to do a couple of websites and see how we go.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> BrokenNeckTech, justb to be sure look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins for flashplugin-alternative.so
[13:49] <BrokenNeckTech> ok mate hang on a sec :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> but flash is such a pita, can't wait for HTML5 to be fully adopted
[13:51] <BrokenNeckTech> yep, it's there as a symlink to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[13:51] <BluesKaj> cool, ok think you should be fine now
[13:52] <BrokenNeckTech> Thanks for the help, i've still got some other bits to finish so i better get on
[13:52] <BrokenNeckTech> If I need anything else i can come back
[13:53] <BrokenNeckTech> see ya
[13:53] <BluesKaj> sure , we'll be here
[14:16] <Yaiyan> So uh, my taskbar's disappeared after logging in, anyone know how to get it back?
[14:16] <Yaiyan> I think I'm on 16.04, not sure how to doublecheck that
[14:41] <hazamonzo> Howdy BluesKaj
[14:41] <BluesKaj> hey hazamonzo
[17:48] <nadim> HI,  how can I get SVG preview working, particularly Konqueror which stays my favourite. I run Kubuntu 16.04. Many thanks.
[19:32] <pidde> Hi
[19:32] <pidde> I need some help with dolphin not recognizing certain characters in file names?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> pidde, which characters?
[19:34] <pidde> Specifically å,ö and ä
[19:38] <BluesKaj> swedish alphabet characters I bet, perhaps #ubuntu-se can help, pidde
[19:38] <pidde> They're swedish indeed
[19:38] <pidde> I'll try that channel
[19:38] <BluesKaj> goo
[19:38] <BluesKaj> d
[19:38] <BluesKaj> :-)
[20:26] <pidde> BluesKaj do you have any other ideas? There's no answer in ubuntu-se...
[20:28] <jcgs> heya :) I'm trying to upgrade to kubuntu 16.10, but when I run do-release-upgrade -d it says "no new release found" what am i supposed to do?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> jcgs, set your update manager to 'normal' instead of 'LTS only'
[20:30] <BluesKaj> updates/upgrades
[20:31] <jcgs> got it
[20:31] <jcgs> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[20:32] <jcgs> i would have thought just not running the program was safer than having an awkward file
[20:32] <jcgs> or a command line option
[20:33] <pidde> if i do an "ls" in the directory the file names are missing åäö
[20:34] <pidde> but things like vlc can still display and open the files just fine
[20:34] <BluesKaj> jcgs, if you set the update manager to normal run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade to upgrade you packages before running do-release-upgrade
[20:56] <pidde> Solved!
[20:56] <pidde> By changing .kde/env/setlocale.sh
[20:56] <pidde> And then locale-gen sv_SE
[20:59] <BluesKaj> heh, I thought your locaqle was already set to se
[20:59] <pidde> I thought so too until I checked that file :P
[21:01] <BluesKaj> my first language was swedish 'til we moved to Canada when I was a 4 yr old ..I'm a finnish-swede like linus :-)
[21:02] <BluesKaj> like linus was
[21:03] <BluesKaj> now a proud Canadian, especially after what happened in the US election
[21:05] <BluesKaj> anyway it's time to close up here
[21:18] <pidde> Interesting :)


[08:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> howto change the package from 'ubuntu' to 'linux' on LP in order to grab an apport-collect?
[12:29] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: can't you edit the "affected" package? i can do it, if it helps.
[12:30] <tomreyn> (i've seen others request bug report edits in #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-quality)
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: when i search to switch the affected package 'linux' im getting a whole list but cant find linux(ubuntu)
[12:40] <tomreyn> linux(Ubuntu) means you selected "Target" -> "Distribution" = "Ubuntu" and entered "package" "linux"
[12:41] <tomreyn> linux means you selected "Target" -> "Project"  = "linux"
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: https://imgur.com/a/AbyrpWS
[12:42] <tomreyn> so... click on "linux", the first word in green
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> oh, even that displays 3.13?
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> or thats just some sort of example?
[12:44] <tomreyn> block-modules-3.13.0.-170-generic-di is one of thousands (?) of binary packages built from 'linux', listed there as an example.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> ahh tnx alot tomreyn lemme try
[12:46] <tomreyn> but you can also just type "linux" into the field
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> great tomreyn bug #2063893
[12:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Bug 2063893 in linux (Ubuntu) "after last OS uptate system will not boot normaly." [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2063893
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[12:47] <tomreyn> :) my pleasure
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> was a bit confusing i thought i had the wrong kernel version
[12:50] <tomreyn> i got very confused by the UI when I first did this, too
[12:54] <tomreyn> and while i'm not sure/convinced this is a bug in linux packages, there are very few details so far and apport-collect against linux could be a good start.
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> i requested it yeah tnx tomreyn
[12:55] <tomreyn> thats nice.
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> i find a tut here, under category incorrectly reported packages
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> but it mentions kernel-package -> linux  and does not really describe steps
[13:17] <tomreyn> right, this link is included in the template response about incorrectly assigned bug reports
[13:18] <tomreyn> one of the links in the /topic of #ubuntu-bugs should point to the templates
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: we also got this very useful wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> but also forwards to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage and is more a template response for the user self
[14:31] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: right, that's the templates i was referring to


[04:18] <Kilos> morning superfly and all other za peeps all over the globe
[04:18] <superfly> Hi
[04:20] <Kilos> and inetpro paddatrapper andrewlsd chesedo MaNL jerit roabish2 SilverCode spinza theblazehen tumbleweed and the forgotten ones as well
[04:20] <Kilos> all ok there superfly ?
[04:21] <superfly> Yes. Lovely summer day today.
[04:27] <Kilos> enjoy, we have had 4 days of rain. much needed but kinda cool for summer
[05:23] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos
[05:43] <superfly> Kilos: it's not summer here, it's winter.
[05:44] <superfly> Hi paddatrapper, back at work yet?
[05:52] <inetpro> superfly: gaan slaap
[05:52] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:53] <superfly> It's not yet 11pm, nevermind midnight
[05:53] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well
[05:53] <inetpro> superfly: when are you starting your new job?
[05:53] <superfly> But fine. Oom inetpro has spoken.
[05:54] <inetpro> haha
[05:54] <superfly> inetpro: when I get one.
[05:54] <inetpro> superfly: good to see you finding yourself again at least
[05:54] <superfly> I don't know when that will be, I am waiting for my green card
[05:54] <superfly> Good night everyone
[05:55] <inetpro> goeienag superfly
[05:55] <Kilos> night superfly sleep well
[05:55] <Kilos> baie reen ne inetpro
[05:56] <Kilos> soya lande staan onder water hier
[05:59] <inetpro> sjoe... ons het sowat 70mm die naweek gehad
[05:59] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[06:00] <inetpro> ander het meer as 100mm gehad
[06:00] <tumbleweed> pretty hot here too (I'm in Tasmania)
[06:01] <paddatrapper> superfly: Hey.  You don't have all your expenses listed yet?
[17:25] <smile> I'll do what I can
[17:26] <Kilos> she said that is up to date
[17:26] <Kilos> there are all the accounts and a demand letter there
[17:26] <Kilos> go to the end and see more
[17:27]  * smile will do
[17:27] <Kilos> ty lad
[17:27] <Kilos> i get lost with all that reading
[17:28] <Kilos> and her mom says 5 k on the hospital alone still owing so im lost
[17:28] <Kilos> ill chat to her again tomorrow
[17:29] <Kilos> we need to mail the doctor that sent the demand and ask him to be patient
[18:10] <smile> my collegues went to a hamburger restaurant today :o
[19:10] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:09] <smile> bye! :)


[08:24] <sil2100> jibel, vila, Mirv, asac: hi!
[08:24] <sil2100> jibel, vila, Mirv, asac: I see that the otto cu2d check jobs are failing again with the Could not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com' error
[08:24] <sil2100> Do anyone of you know what's up with that again? New DNS issues?
[08:24] <sil2100> retoaded: ^
[08:25] <vila> sil2100: url ?
[08:25] <sil2100> For instance, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/396/label=qa-intel-4000/console
[08:25] <sil2100> On both nvidia and intel
[08:26] <Mirv> sil2100: hi!
[08:26] <sil2100> (so http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/396/label=autopilot-nvidia/console as well)
[08:26] <vila> /var/log/syslog: Nov  4 00:08:25 trusty-i386-20131104-0008 kernel: [86262.203773] type=1400 audit(1383523705.376:356): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 parent=26433 profile="/sbin/dhclient" name="etc/ld.so.cache" pid=26437 comm="dhclient" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[08:26] <Mirv> sil2100: I don't know what's up this time, but the archive.ubuntu.com is not (again) reachable from magners either so maybe some firewall reconfiguration again?
[08:27] <sil2100> Mirv: yep, apparmour issues again...
[08:27] <sil2100> vila: what did we do last time to fix this actually...? ;)
[08:27] <vila> Mirv: wget archive.ubuntu.com works
[08:28] <vila> Mirv: works from magners, that's the only reliable check I know of, forget the others
[08:28] <sil2100> As we had this before, exactly the same issue I gues
[08:28] <Mirv> vila: ah, you're right, the firewall apparently just blocks ping
[08:28] <vila> Mirv: yes, for unknown IS reasons (probably good ;)
[08:28] <Mirv> vila: ping works from my own machine so I didn't think it'd be different. but right, so apparmor agian.
[08:28] <vila> Mirv: yes, I learned it the hard way too
[08:28] <sil2100> Everything is crimson red because of this sadly
[08:29] <vila> sil2100: probably not exactly the same, related to apparmor again though
[08:29] <vila> sil2100: same root cause as far as CI is concerned: a user job breaks the infrastructure because otto *requires* host and lxc to be up to date
[08:32] <sil2100> vila: *sighs*
[08:33] <vila> sil2100: yeah, don't tell me ;-/
[08:33] <vila> sil2100: not to mention all upstream-merger are stucked :-/
[08:34] <vila> sil2100: so, back to what was done last time: ping stgraber, he's the most efficient to diagnose the lxc/apparmor issues lately
[08:35] <veebers> vila: another question for you. I'm getting this error on the generic-mediumtest-runner-mako: qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[08:35] <vila> sil2100: may be check if some updates occurred on apparmor or lxc ?
[08:35] <vila> veebers: you want to talk to autopilot devs to provide us a better error message ;)
[08:36] <vila> veebers: that's not the first time I see this undecipherable one
[08:36] <veebers> vila: heh, what I'm wondering is why /usr/bin/qmlscene doesn't work on that device?
[08:36] <veebers> that is the direct error message from running /usr/bin/qmlscene -testability /path/to/qml/file
[08:36] <vila> veebers: I didn't track what caused it the previous times sorry :-(
[08:36] <veebers> it works find on my device after a phablet-flash
[08:37] <sil2100> vila: will do ;)
[08:37] <vila> meh
[08:37] <vila> sil2100: not to mention all upstream-merger *maguros* are stucked :-/
[08:54] <jibel> vila, sil2100 from networking.log dhclient: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
[08:54] <vila> jibel: even worse ;)
[08:56] <jibel> vila, can you downgrade the kernel and see it makes the error go away?
[08:56] <jibel> on the host
[08:59] <vila> jibel: not yet, I'm restoring access to upstream merge maguros
[09:03] <jibel> vila, sil2100 this problem start on Nov. 1rst with kernel 3.12.0-1, rebooting with 3.11.0-12.19 should work. If it does ping the kernel team
[09:05] <didrocks> good morning
[09:31] <didrocks> sil2100: Mirv: psivaa: popey: meeting time!
[09:31] <psivaa> didrocks: joining
[09:32] <didrocks> sil2100: just waiting for you now ;)
[09:40] <didrocks> sil2100: not around? you shouldn't suffer from jet lag
[09:42] <sil2100> Crap!
[09:42] <sil2100> I got used to NOT having the meetings
[09:43] <Mirv> didrocks: the build probs should be have a mention at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dHFtUmlPOUtCRk8zR2dtaEpIbUVhMmc#gid=3
[09:44] <sil2100> jibel, vila: we had the same issue last time with dhclient
[09:44] <sil2100> jibel, vila: I remember dhclient had problems also loading libc
[09:45] <jibel> sil2100, right but can you try to boot kernel 3.11, the incident began with 3.12 then notify the kernel team?
[09:46] <Mirv> sil2100: vila: I checked the other uploads and there are no dbus/lxc/apparmor uploads, so as jibel says downgrading the kernel would seem the first thing to try
[09:51] <ogra_> [09:52] <didrocks> \o/
[09:52] <ogra_> popey, promoted  10/20131031.1
[09:52] <ogra_> [09:53] <didrocks> great!
[09:54] <ogra_> hmpf ... compiz doesnt get the layer ordering right anymore ... funny ... all menus, tooltips and popups are behind all other windows ... even pulldowns in the browser
[09:58] <sil2100> \o/
[10:00] <popey> ogra_: super
[10:02] <didrocks> vila: hey! I tried to get in touch with doanac and it seems you didn't tell him that the execution test service should use the same parameters than the otto jobs?
[10:02] <didrocks> vila: do you take care of explaining what every parameters do or should I?
[10:20] <vila> didrocks: err, surprising...
[10:21] <didrocks> vila: you meant, you talk about them with him?
[10:21] <vila> didrocks: unless you mean the parameter *names* were different, I'm pretty sure the discussions mentioned them all
[10:21] <didrocks> vila: names and syntax are different
[10:21] <didrocks> like the tests is not the command running autopilot tests
[10:22] <vila> right, but the features are there right ? So it should be a matter of adapting both sides to agree no ?
[10:23] <didrocks> vila: well, that's what I discussed with you. That we can quickly plug that in and so adapt the parameters to what we have for now
[10:23] <didrocks> the semantic for some parameters are unfortunately different, I see a bigger road block on that one
[10:25] <vila> didrocks: right, so, since I don't know enough of the specifics on both sides to act as a proxy, better get in touch directly. In the midlle/long term though, I think we want to better separate setting up the environment and running the tests, it seems weird to have to implement the later differently in different tools
[10:25] <didrocks> vila: interesting, not sure why we had that meeting where I needed to explain to you all parameters though. Will talk with him directly then
[10:26] <vila> didrocks: so that I start to understand how cu2d works, I didn't have the same one with doanac and I thought the parameters and their intent were clear enough for him to ensure it will be providing the same semantic
[10:27] <didrocks> no worry, I'll fix that with him directly. I may have misunderstood the goal of this meeting apparently
[10:27] <vila> didrocks: I reported that meeting to the whole team and we even had a session were we discussed it...
[10:35] <vila> didrocks: correction, wasn't the whole team but only doanac and fginther
[10:35] <didrocks> ok
[10:38] <vila> didrocks: notes here https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ISclO4aN2CQ2vJ5PeryF2gt81lqX-5_-mmGADNrK04o/edit#heading=h.3nv3w86usggi but further work hasn't been tracked there :-/
[10:41] <vila> didrocks: so the overall feedback *I* got was that the features were ready or almost ready and my understanding was that some tweaks were required to have matching parameters. But I wasn't involved in the testing/coding so I din't (still don't) know the exact state.
[10:42] <didrocks> vila: I just opened the proposed job that was told ready and didn't see any evolution on the parameters
[10:42] <didrocks> compared to when we first discussed about it
[10:42] <vila> :-/
[10:56] <ogra_> [10:59] <didrocks> greatness!
[10:59] <didrocks> sil2100: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/ubuntu-download-manager/trunk/revision/151 can you SRU just that commit please?
[10:59] <didrocks> to saucy
[10:59] <didrocks> this is to avoid getting people on saucy in trouble
[10:59] <didrocks> (for the next 2 weeks)
[10:59] <didrocks> sil2100: old landing ask 266 (it's the short term fix)
[11:04] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK
[11:07] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, I see it's in saucy's trunk, so I guess I can use cu2d to get it in, right? There is only this commit in saucy trunk waiting for release
[11:07] <popey> ogra_: #11 I can't make phone calls. I can receive though
[11:07] <ogra_> popey, ouch
[11:08] <popey> hmm, cant send texts either, wonder if I have run out of credit
[11:08] <sil2100> didrocks: anyway, taking care of that this instance
[11:11] <didrocks> sil2100: just do what you prefer :)
[11:14] <vila> sil2100: qa-intell-4000 back to previous kernel, seems like otto is happy (minus the fact that it's supposed to always run in sync with the latest kernel....)
[11:14] <sil2100> vila: \o/
[11:14] <vila> sil2100: I tweak /etc/default/grub and that will need to be reverted when you have a fix
[11:15] <vila> *tweaked
[11:15] <sil2100> vila: well, at least we have tests running, too bad that with not the latest kernel but we'll switch to that once it's fixed properly
[11:15] <vila> sil2100: or otto_setup is run and breaks again... I think my tweak is not robust enough against that
[11:27] <popey> ogra_: phew, credit ran out
[11:28] <ogra_> phew
[11:33] <popey> ogra_: #11 seems good on mako
[11:34] <ogra_> great, still upgrading here
[11:37] <vila> sil2100: dx-autopilot-nvidia also reverted (with a better tweak also applied to qa-intel-4000)
[11:38] <sil2100> vila: will it still get broken again when otto_setup is ran?
[11:38] <vila> sil2100: a job spontaneously triggered on qa-intel-4000 which served as a test, can you trigger one for nvidia ?
[11:39] <vila> sil2100: it should stay on the same kernel but hey, we're in production, I couldn't test as much as I'd like there
[11:39] <sil2100> Let me trigger a quick one
[11:39] <vila> sil2100: so we'll need to revert the line added in /etc/default/grub, I've put a comment there so that should be easy
[11:40]  * vila lunches &
[11:40] <sil2100> Thanks! :)
[11:40] <sil2100> Running the test run in the meantime
[12:08] <ogra_> popey, maguro seems fine on image 11
[12:08] <ogra_> (well SMS and calls do)
[12:29] <sil2100> vila: all works ok it seems \o/
[12:30] <ogra_> BAH !
[12:30] <ogra_> all unity8 tests fail again on mako
[12:30] <ogra_> this is getting tiring :(
[12:31] <sil2100> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/click_stack_for_saucy/+merge/193753 <- can you take a look? We created a saucy branch for this one
[12:32] <psivaa> ogra_: i think plars pushed a fix for turning the screen on for unity8, still failing, the reason appears different. could be temp, i am rerunning
[12:33] <ogra_> psivaa, yeah, i remember the fix worked in image #10
[12:34] <psivaa> ogra_: yes, the error message is different this time compared to the failures pre image 10
[12:35] <psivaa> ohh no some of them are the same :(
[12:35] <ogra_> the pattern looks the same at least
[12:36] <psivaa> yea
[12:40] <psivaa> there is a powerd crash in the runs with image 11 that i dont remember seeing with 10
[12:41] <psivaa> and the fix is using powrd-cli so that may explain why that dint work
[12:42] <ogra_> yeah
[12:42] <ogra_> do you run powerd-cli as root ?
[12:42] <ogra_> iirc you need to
[12:46] <Mirv> sil2100: ok
[12:50] <psivaa> ogra_: powed-cli is running in the device now, but not sure if that was running whilst unity8 tests were running. will watch that
[12:51] <sil2100> hmmmm
[13:04] <sil2100> Mirv: good catch! Modified
[13:23] <Mirv> sil2100: top-approved now.
[13:36] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks!
[13:49] <plars> psivaa: odd, I got it to pass just fine on Friday
[13:49] <ogra_> plars, yeah, i wonder if the code was reverted or somethign
[13:50] <psivaa> plars: i think the issue is powerd crash this time but still yet to rerun
[13:50] <plars> I'll take a look
[13:50] <psivaa> waiting for all the tests to complete
[13:50] <psivaa> plars: ack
[13:50] <plars> ugh, more rain
[14:07] <sil2100> didrocks: do you know if we're dropping powerpc support in overall?
[14:07] <sil2100> Like, completely?
[14:08] <fginther> morning
[14:08] <sil2100> Morning
[14:09] <cjwatson> sil2100: No
[14:09] <sil2100> cjwatson: ok
[14:09] <sil2100> Then I guess I'll have to revert robru's change in libunity-webapps
[14:09] <cjwatson> Uh
[14:10] <cjwatson> You said "completely" which is a very broad question
[14:10] <cjwatson> It may be correct to drop it in specific cases where it wouldn't be buildable anyway
[14:10] <sil2100> cjwatson: well, here it would mean that suddenly unity7, bamf, and many many unity components would have to disappear for powerpc ;)
[14:11] <cjwatson> I don't know about the case of libunity-webapps
[14:11] <cjwatson> It's generally best to keep things Architecture: any unless there's a strong reason otherwise
[14:12] <cjwatson> Do you mean the webbrowser-app dependency?
[14:13] <cjwatson> You could always make that architecture-specific
[14:13] <cjwatson> i.e.  Depends: webbrowser-app [amd64 armhf i386]  Suggests: webbrowser-app [!amd64 !armhf !i386]
[14:14] <cjwatson> Or actually just drop the Suggests part of that, I guess, since it's unsatisfiable anyway
[14:14] <sil2100> Actually, we were already Suggests webbrowser-app to workaround this
[14:14] <cjwatson> Yeah, but now you want to hard-depend on it on architectures where it's available
[14:15] <cjwatson> Just Depends: webbrowser-app [amd64 armhf i386] would be fine for that
[14:15] <sil2100> Right, or webbrowser-app [!powerpc] I guess?
[14:16] <cjwatson> No
[14:16] <cjwatson> We have more than four architectures
[14:16] <cjwatson> It's more correct to specifically enable it on the architectures where we know webbrowser-app is available
[14:16] <sil2100> Yes, but we only ban it from this one particular?
[14:16] <cjwatson> But that would be wrong!
[14:16] <sil2100> Ok ok
[14:16] <cjwatson> webbrowser-app | 0.22+13.10.20131011.1-0ubuntu1 |        trusty | source, amd64, armhf, i386
[14:16] <cjwatson> Which does not include arm64 ...
[14:17] <cjwatson> Nor the further architecture we'll be adding in the next couple of months
[14:17] <sil2100> Right, but I guess it will be supported as soon as it's possible, so then we'll have to update the package again, right?
[14:17] <cjwatson> arm64 doesn't work right now for the same reason powerpc doesn't work
[14:17] <cjwatson> i.e. v8 not ported
[14:18] <cjwatson> No particular reason to expect either one to work before the other AFAIK
[14:18] <sil2100> Ok, I'm fine with any solution, just wanted to find the one that would be less troublesome to maintain :)
[14:18] <sil2100> But I guess this will be the correct one here
[14:18] <cjwatson> It makes more sense from an archive point of view to enable the dependency only where it's specifically available
[14:18] <cjwatson> Hopefully the v4 interpreter in Qt 5.2 will be more portable
[14:21] <sil2100> Thanks for the pointers!
[14:21] <cjwatson> (It's supposed to be, from what I hear)
[14:22] <plars> ogra_, psivaa: given how good the custom image looked at http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/Touch/view/Ubuntu%20Touch%20Master%20Jobs/job/trusty-touch_custom-mako-smoke-master/ I'm surprised unity8 and webbrowser had problems on the mako image. I'm rerunning now, expect they will pass
[14:22] <plars> unity8 is looking fine for me locally so far
[14:23] <ogra_> well, lets see how the next image behaves ... probably a temporary glitch
[14:24] <plars> ogra_: is 12 building now?
[14:25] <plars> ogra_: I just restarted some tests on 11
[14:25] <ogra_> plars, nope
[14:25] <ogra_> earliest after the next meeting
[14:25] <plars> ogra_: ok, I'll keep pushing on 11 then :)
[14:39] <plars> ogra_, popey: unfortunately we started having to handle a LOT of extra device-not-found errors, which mostly seem to be attributed to the mtp/adb conflict
[14:40] <ogra_> plars, the lxc-android-config package with the new upstart job from sergiusens is the first step towards fixing this
[14:40] <sil2100> cjwatson: could you maybe review this branch (if you have a minute and the permissions), since the upstream dev is not around right now: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/libunity-webapps/webbrowser-app_depends_arch/+merge/193785
[14:40] <ogra_> (uploaded today)
[14:40] <plars> popey: but if you look at the results of filemanger, it seems to always be up and down between 3 or 4 failures and 19 or 20 failures
[14:40] <plars> ogra_: that's good to hear :)
[14:44] <cjwatson> sil2100: I added an Approve review, but it shows as "(community)" so it probably doesn't count for landing
[14:44] <cjwatson> It can serve as your core-dev +1 though :)
[14:46] <sil2100> ;)
[14:46] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:19] <doanac> vila, didrocks: let me know how we should resolve the parameters for this thing. I think we are already close to a 1-to-1 mapping of the parameters, but i need to know if theres something big missing
[15:22] <didrocks> doanac: sure, want to chat about it?
[15:22] <doanac> didrocks: sounds good. how about in 8 minutes? (half past the hour)
[15:22] <didrocks> doanac: good for me as well :)
[15:28] <vila> Mirv: <mlankhorst> vila: enjoy, I found a fix for glamor-egl :P
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=88619
[15:29] <doanac> didrocks, vila: i'll create a hangout for us
[15:36] <doanac> vila, didrocks: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/trusty-touch-mako/17/
[15:37] <doanac> vila, didrocks: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/302/parameters/
[15:43] <didrocks> doanac: vila: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/201/label=autopilot-nvidia/console
[15:56] <balloons> ping fginther
[16:25] <tedg> It seems that dbus-test-runner is configured to do CI on Quantal as well as Trusty.
[16:25] <tedg> Does anyone know why that could be?
[16:25] <tedg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/view/head:/stacks/head/qa.cfg#L98
[17:05] <plars> didrocks: no landing meeting?
[17:05] <tedg> ev, Where should I file the bug that errors.u.c misspells "optimized" in "optimized out" ?
[17:05] <didrocks> plars: oh sorry, we told no meeting today, will resume tomorrow afternoon
[17:05]  * ogra_ will be late, running meeting is running over
[17:05] <plars> didrocks: I missed that I guess, sorry
[17:05] <ogra_> oh, cool
[17:05] <didrocks> plars: I missed to ping you, my fault, sorry ;)
[17:05] <didrocks> I pinged the others :)
[17:40] <psivaa> plars: are you doing anything with the smoke maguro in the lab, can i rerun filemanager and gallery?
[17:41] <psivaa> balloons: we are still seeing filemanager test failures due to too many entries in /home/phablet/ .
[17:41] <plars> psivaa: go for it, I've mostly been focusing on mako at the moment
[17:42] <psivaa> plars: ack
[17:42] <balloons> psivaa, we're still trying to land a couple mp's to work on this..
[17:42] <balloons> psivaa, https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-carlos-model/+merge/193783
[17:42] <psivaa> balloons: ack, thanks :)
[17:42] <balloons> psivaa, the paste bug is fixed by that.. then I can land my big branch
[17:43] <balloons> and then hopefully it's all fixed :-)
[18:01] <cjwatson> FYI: publisher down pending investigation of I/O errors
[18:39] <fginther> josepht, any vanguard work I should know about?
[18:43] <josepht> fginther: not a thing
[18:50] <fginther> balloons, pong
[18:52] <fginther> alesage, do you know why dbus-test-runner is still configured to build on quantal?
[18:52] <alesage> fginther, no sir
[18:52] <alesage> fginther, propose to amend
[18:52] <fginther> alesage, ack, I'll drop it, tedg is hitting build failures to do it
[18:52] <alesage> fginther, thank you
[18:54] <balloons> fginther, https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-carlos-model/+merge/193783. qt5-proper ppa doesn't have a trusty build, but the virtual test enviroment is using it
[18:56] <fginther> balloons, looking
[18:57] <tedg> fginther, thanks!
[19:33] <fginther> tedg, your dbus-test-runner MP is passing now
[19:34] <fginther> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-carlos-model/+merge/193783 is passing now
[19:35] <balloons> fginther, ty sir :-)
[19:36] <tedg> Great!  Thanks fginther!
[20:12] <veebers> fginther: hey how are you, query: Would you know why `/usr/bin/qmlscene` works on my local device but doesn't on the jenkins devices? i.e. I'm getting this error: qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[20:13] <fginther> veebers, hi, it could be missing a qt plugin dependency
[20:13] <fginther> veebers, what job is this?
[20:16] <veebers> fginther: this is an example: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/2987/artifact/results/autopilot/sudoku_app_results.xml
[20:28] <fginther> veebers, when you run them on your device are you using the deb packages to install and test?
[20:37] <veebers> fginther: In my test last night yes. But I've just re-flash my device so I'm going to try something
[20:45] <veebers> fginther: on my locally freshly flashed device when running `/usr/bin/qmlscene` I don't get that error
[20:51] <fginther> plars, is there a reason sudoku_app tests are not run for the smoke testing?
[20:52] <plars> fginther: I think just nobody asked for them
[20:52] <plars> fginther: Are there tests that work?
[20:53] <fginther> plars, so far they don't
[20:53] <plars> fginther: then that's probably why nobody asked for them :)
[22:51] <plars> popey: can't seem to get filemanager down under 10 failures on mako, but on maguro it only had 3 today
[22:52] <plars> also weather app is considerably worse under mako for some reason
[23:02] <xnox> is there a bug tracker for CI infrastructure issues?
[23:02] <xnox> (bug reports / wishlist items / etc?)
[23:02] <robru> fginther, can you check why jenkins didn't run here? https://code.launchpad.net/~justinmcp/unity-chromium-extension/mediaplayer-init-fix/+merge/193549 guy's a new employee, might need to be added to some kind of whitelist?
[23:04] <fginther> robru, yep, that's probably the case, I'll get the list updated
[23:04] <robru> fginther, thanks
[23:09] <robru> fginther, what's the recommended way of handling community-submitted branches? obviously jenkins can't run on them by default, but is there some one-off way of saying 'jenkins should run for this one branch'?
[23:10] <robru> or do i have to steal the branch and take all the credit with my own MP?
[23:10] <fginther> robru, the only way to do this right now is to manually trigger the job from the jenkins UI
[23:10] <robru> fginther, hrm, can you link me to that part of the jenkins maze?
[23:16] <fginther> robru, you need to find the ${lp_project}-ci job here: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/
[23:16] <fginther> robru, for example: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/unity-chromium-extension-ci/
[23:17] <robru> fginther, ahhhh, that's a different jenkins! I don't have a login to be able to kick jobs there
[23:18] <fginther> robru, if you create one, I'll add build permission
[23:19] <robru> fginther, oh, hrm, it says 'robru' is taken, but doesn't have any kind of password recovery button...
[23:19] <fginther> robru, I can reset it
[23:20] <robru> fginther, ok, thanks. for the cu2d jenkins that one just lets me sign in with SSO...
[23:21] <fginther> robru, you should be setup now
[23:22] <robru> fginther, great, thanks!
[23:22] <fginther> robru, when building the -ci job, you'll need to supply the landing_candidate (the lp:blah branch name) and the merge_proposal (the URL of the MP in launchpad)


[08:12] <fabbione> BenC: drivers/usb/media/spca5xx/Makefile:     -DPUD_SHIFT=0
[08:12] <fabbione> this is the Makefile making the PUD_SHIFT noise
[08:13] <fabbione> i don't understand why it forces it to 0
[08:13] <fabbione> each arch has its own value for PUD_SHIFT
[08:13] <fabbione> if you check spca5xx-main.c
[08:13] <fabbione> it's the only bit that uses an #ifdef PUD_SHIFT
[08:13] <fabbione> and it's inside another block almost RHish..
[08:18] <fabbione> as i imagined.. the new version of the driver doesn't define it
[08:22] <fabbione> BenC: fix is in my tree.. just pull please
[08:24] <twstr> hi guys
[08:25] <fabbione> twstr: ciao bella
[08:25] <fabbione> twstr meet mjg59
[08:25] <fabbione> mjg59 meet twstr
[08:25] <twstr> ciao fabbione, -a+O please :)
[08:25] <fabbione> mjg59: my friend here is haveing amd64 acpi issues...
[08:28] <cjb> Isn't everyone.
[08:29] <cjb> (At least, if they have the ATI chipset.)
[08:29] <cjb> fabbione: (If they do have something like 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge (rev 10), davej is collecting boot logs.)
[08:49] <twstr> Disconnected. someone said something? :)


[12:35] <Stormx2> Ubotu died.... ;(
[12:36] <PriceChild> Stormx2, what did you do
[12:37] <Vorian> ubotu 2.0
[12:37] <Stormx2> upgrading ubotu's death rays, no doubt.
[12:38] <kitche> well nevermind see that ubotu is back now :)
[12:54] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:55] <rob> +q would have done for a bit there
[12:55] <rob> but all good :)
[12:56] <PriceChild> removes are less work for us... they can rejoin and start talking quicker too most of the time if they notice.
[12:56] <PriceChild> *isn't really lazy* :P
[12:56] <rob> hehe
[01:25] <PriceChild> *keeps his eye on attan and mc-ntk in #ubuntu*
[01:27] <PriceChild> Seeker`, hehe, there's also a piespy in there...
[01:27] <PriceChild> as long as they don't talk its ok really
[01:44] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: dann isnt done yet give him time :)
[01:44] <PriceChild> dann?
[01:45] <gnomefreak> in #ubuntu that you used !offtopic for
[01:45] <PriceChild> ah yes i see, tired sorry
[01:45] <gnomefreak> its all good but i have this feeling hes not done
[01:46] <PriceChild> but anyway I am sure you will have fun, I'm off to bed as I'm knackered and aching from climbing :)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> im off soon as well
[01:47] <gnomefreak> its getting late
[01:49] <Stormx2> Where do you guys live?
[01:50] <stdin> on earth
[01:56] <Vorian> w00t
[01:56] <Vorian> <-- US
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hiya tritium
[04:51] <tritium> Hi there.
[04:55] <tritium> Ooh, good one ;)
[04:57] <tritium> nalioth: come do my job, and I'll stay out of the cave more often
[04:58] <nalioth> nah, then i'd be pasty and vitamin-d deficient
[04:59] <nalioth> we understand your job tritium and are glad you're doing it
[04:59] <tritium> yeah, yeah ;)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> nalioth: we have a troller.  [13:00]  [Whois]  Magnus-swe is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(SpleenTasticZ)
[05:01] <tritium> Is he back?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> [13:00]  <Magnus-swe> Hobbsee: lol, gay fucker
[05:01] <Hobbsee> [13:00]  <Magnus-swe> Hobbsee: ubuntu would have been good wo you
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yeah, #kubuntu-devel
[05:01] <nalioth> Hobbsee: you have foo there?
[05:01] <tritium> Oh brother.  Luckily his /query to me didn't last that long.                                                                                Adlai
[05:04] <gnomefreak> im getting nothing from lastlog
[05:04] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 22:01 -sdfg:#ubuntu- Type /server READ 2 to read it.
[05:04] <nalioth> Hobbsee: the /notice spammer in #ubuntu
[05:04] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ahhh....
[05:04] <Hobbsee> didnt see that one
[05:04] <nalioth> he's been hitting all the major channels
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[05:05] <nalioth> i've not caught him up til now
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:05] <nalioth> only heard reports
[05:14] <tritium> There he is again
[05:15] <Hobbsee> nalioth: where are the list of emergency contact numbers for freenode, btw?
[05:17] <tritium> Good night, Hobbsee, nalioth, gnomefreak, et al.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> night tritium
[05:17] <gnomefreak> night tritium
[05:46] <sivik> i did what it said to do on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and i still can't get into the ubuntu channel
[05:46] <sivik> wtf is that?
[05:47] <sivik> and what am i supposed to do with it
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sivik: you're fine, thanks.  it's testing for the exploit.
[05:47] <Madpilot> an op needs to test to make sure you really fixed it, then remove your ban from #ubuntu
[05:47] <Hobbsee> nothing
[05:47] <sivik> ok
[05:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:47] <sivik> thanks
[05:47] <Madpilot> there we go
[05:47] <sivik> why did y'all change the port address?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sivik: huh?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sivik: because your router has a bug in it
[05:47] <sivik> you mean my isp
[05:48] <Hobbsee> so the people with your type of router, and the others affected, need to change their ports, so they arent effected
[05:48] <Hobbsee> no, your router.
[05:48] <sivik> like my linksys router?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:48] <sivik> my router or modem?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> your router.
[05:48] <sivik> so if i ran it through my cisco router, i wouldn't have the problem
[05:48] <sivik> if my router supported dhcp connections
[05:48] <Hobbsee> depends if htat has the bug as well.  but likely
[05:48] <sivik> oh
[05:50] <Hobbsee> sivik: http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2006-1068 seems to be it
[05:50] <ubotu> Netgear 614 and 624 routers, possibly running VXWorks, allow remote attackers to cause a denial of service by sending a malformed DCC SEND string to an IRC channel, which causes an IRC connection reset, possibly related to the masquerading code for NAT environments, and as demonstrated via (1) a DCC SEND with a single long argument, or (2) a DCC SEND with IP, port, and filesize arguments with a 0 value. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE
[05:50] <Hobbsee> it applies to more than netgear, though
[05:51] <sivik> oh ok
[05:51] <sivik> i don't use netgear crap
[05:52] <Hobbsee> linksys also has that bug
[05:52] <Hobbsee> netgear is just better known for it
[05:52] <nalioth> many routers have the problem
[05:52] <sivik> lol
[05:52] <sivik> i bet if my cisco router (2500 series) could connect, it probably wouldn't have the problem
[05:52] <sivik> IOS 12.1
[06:25] <ubotu> Frogzoo called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:28] <nalioth> anybody get the joke here?<PHONE_NUMBER> 23:24 < Sretsnom> DCC SEND [ r e m o v e d ]
[02:24] <ubotu> Hirvinen called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:24] <ubotu> n2diy called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:53] <ubotu> stefg called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:47] <moreno> olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:49] <jrib> hey! your ip starts with 83.230, what a coincidence.  What's up moreno ?
[06:49] <jrib> !es | moreno
[06:49] <ubotu> moreno: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:50] <moreno> pa ke
[07:09] <ubotu> nixternal called the ops in #ubuntu-devel
[07:10] <ubotu> GhoSt called the ops in #ubuntu-devel
[07:10] <nixternal> can someone get in there and get rid of this idiot
[07:11] <ubotu> GhoSt called the ops in #ubuntu-devel
[07:13] <Pici> well that was odd.
[07:13] <nixternal> nalioth, rob, someone, GhoSt is spamming all of the channels
[08:12] <PriceChild> *watches ivis*
[08:22] <jrib> *watches PriceChild watch ivis*
[08:22] <PriceChild> he went quiet...
[08:28] <Pici> He left
[12:06] <PriceChild> jrib, did you see that part just then.....?
[12:06] <jrib> no, I'm not really paying attention, what happened?
[12:07] <PriceChild> just one that stood out to me as i glanced down the screen