[18:10] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:10] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:11] <tyhicks> hello
[18:11] <jdstrand> wasn't setup yet to use the
[18:11] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:11] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:11] <jdstrand> Chad Miller (chad) provided updates for lucid-quantal for chromium-browser (LP: #1099075)
[18:12] <jdstrand> there is still some work to do for armhf to compile, but i386 and amd64 for lucid-raring are now caught up with upstream :)
[18:12] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:12] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:13] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week
[18:13] <jdstrand> there is a firefox regression fix that is going out this week
[18:13] <jdstrand> I'm working on an embargoed issue
[18:14] <jdstrand> I've got another embargoed issue I'm working on
[18:15] <jdstrand> if I have time, I might look at the lxc mir this week
[18:15] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:15] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[18:16] <mdeslaur> I have a couple of pending updates to try and figure out how to test
[18:16] <mdeslaur> (jquery and xserver-xorg-video-qxl)
[18:16] <mdeslaur> and will continue going down the CVE list
[18:16] <mdeslaur> that's pretty much it
[18:16] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: xserver-xorg-video-qxl - ah, that is for spice, right?
[18:16] <mdeslaur> yeah, it's the spice xorg driver
[18:17] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:17] <jdstrand> I wonder if that would help us with our unity 3d stuff
[18:17] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: no
[18:17] <jdstrand> hmm
[18:17] <jdstrand> someone else said it might
[18:17] <mdeslaur> eventually, I believe they are planning on writing a 3d enabled driver
[18:17] <mdeslaur> but, not currently
[18:18] <jdstrand> plus, looking at the spice server MIR last week, I thought it plausible since spice is supposed to use the best 'hardware'
[18:18] <jdstrand> ie, maybe the guest, maybe the host, but whatever. you know more than I at this point
[18:19] <mdeslaur> it.s more efficient than vnc, but it's not 3d
[18:19] <jdstrand> k
[18:19] <jdstrand> sbeattie: sorry, please go ahead
[18:19] <sbeattie> no worries
[18:20] <sbeattie> I'm working on apparmor this week
[18:20] <sbeattie> focusing on my blueprint work items
[18:20] <sbeattie> I also need to finish up my objectives rejiggering
[18:21] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me.
[18:21] <sbeattie> tyhicks: poke
[18:21] <tyhicks> My week looks similar to last week
[18:21] <tyhicks> Embargoed issue, AppArmor policy kernel interface, need to finish testing some changes to the AppArmor D-Bus mediation patches that I made last week and upload the new dbus package to dbus-dev PPA
[18:21] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[18:21] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:22] <jjohansen> I am plugging away on apparmor work items
[18:22] <jjohansen> instead of working on env var filtering, we have switched priorities a little bit I am going to be working on socket labeling so we can have get_peercon working and fix that issue in the dbus patches
[18:22] <jjohansen> oh and I suppose I need to finish up rebasing the compat patches on top of the base labeling/stacking patches today. So I can push an alpha2 kernel into the ppa and give sarnold something more to review
[18:22] <tyhicks> oh nice
[18:24] <jjohansen> thats it from /me sarnold
[18:25] <sarnold> I'm going to be working on workitems and objectives this week
[18:25] <sarnold> vde2 is waiting a main inclusion request audit, it'd be fun to work on that too, we'll see how jdstrand's teaching-time works out :)
[18:26] <jjohansen> sarnold will be reviewing patches this week too :)
[18:26] <sarnold> uh oh :)
[18:26] <sarnold> apparently' I'm also reviewing patches this week :)
[18:26] <sbeattie> hehe
[18:26] <sarnold> jdstrand: back to you :)
[18:27] <jdstrand> yes, that patch review should take priority :)
[18:27] <jdstrand> (unless asked otherwise)
[18:27] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:27] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:27] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:27] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/firebird2.5.html
[18:28] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sleuthkit.html
[18:28] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/phpldapadmin.html
[18:28] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nusoap.html
[18:28] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libsocialweb.html
[18:29] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:29] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:32] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:32] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:32] <tyhicks> thanks
[18:33] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[18:33] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[18:33] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:33] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[20:53] <cjwatson> kees,mdz,soren,stgraber: TB meeting in <10?
[20:54] <stgraber> yep, I'll be there
[20:54]  * pitti waves hello
[20:57] <smoser> o/
[20:59] <cjwatson> ah, soren sent apologies
[20:59]  * cjwatson does last-minute listadmin
[21:00] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb  4 21:00:05 2013 UTC.  The chair is cjwatson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:00] <stgraber> yeah, he then forwarded the e-mail with the right address
[21:00] <cjwatson> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[21:00] <cjwatson> Who's here?
[21:00] <kees> \o
[21:00] <stgraber> o/
[21:00] <smoser> o/
[21:00] <pitti> me too
[21:00]  * smoser is standing in for roaksoax
[21:01] <cjwatson> Thanks.  Will just wait a minute for any latecomers ...
[21:01] <pitti> I met mdz at FOSDEM yesterday, he's presumably still travelling
[21:01] <cjwatson> Ah, yes, that would make sense
[21:02] <cjwatson> #topic Action review
[21:02] <cjwatson> None that I can see from the last minutes
[21:02] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-January/001007.html
[21:02] <cjwatson> #topic MAAS SRU
[21:02] <cjwatson> I followed up by mail a few minutes ago
[21:02] <pitti> FWIW, I found slangasek's reply quite on-the-spot
[21:03] <cjwatson> Me too.  I understand that Steve's recommendations are already being implemented?
[21:03] <cjwatson> (In fact, perhaps we should record the general principles he outlined somewhere more permanent)
[21:03] <smoser> cjwatson, hm... could you forward me your response? archive is not udpated, an di'm not subscribed.
[21:03] <pitti> I agree with bundling newer versions and new packages into the new maas
[21:03]  * kees nods
[21:03] <cjwatson> smoser: It wasn't anything interesting, just concurrence with Steve and otherwise general approval
[21:03] <smoser> yeah, we're perfectly fine to package the bits inside maas.
[21:03] <pitti> the three django fixes should be properly SRUed, though (at least at first look)
[21:04] <smoser> pitti, we're open to that.
[21:06] <cjwatson> I notice that ScottK has rejected bug 1081391 and bug 1081388 from the SRU queue
[21:06] <smoser> ScottK raised concern with some of the django changes, suggesting that furthre review (done here) was necessary. so surely he'd be OK  with that.
[21:06] <stgraber> I'm also happy with the proposal with slangasek's proposed changes. Personally I'd tend to prefer having yui3 and python-tx-tftp as new sources rather than bundled in, but I'm not an SRU team member and I can live with those sources being bundled.
[21:07] <stgraber> (I have a vague interest in that new tftp module for python which I may want to use for some projects I'm involved with, and having it in the archive for 12.04 would be convenient. I don't care much about yui3 though.)
[21:07] <cjwatson> I find it difficult to disagree with his review on the face of it.  Is it possible to work around the django problems in maas?
[21:07] <pitti> bundling them exposes them less to other "unintended"/unsupported usage, though
[21:07] <cjwatson> (And it is *definitely* true that the test cases in those bugs were incomplete.)
[21:08] <cjwatson> At the very least they'd need much more regression testing.
[21:08] <stgraber> pitti: right, the main advantage of just bundling them is that they will be able to push newer features or API changes to those in future SRUs. Which we wouldn't allow if those were individual sources.
[21:08] <stgraber> pitti: but if it's not likely to happen with those packages (and it doesn't appear it's), I'd prefer to have separate sources.
[21:09] <smoser> stgraber, i think i personally prefer slangasek's suggestion of bundling them in.
[21:09] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I know enough about django to be able to offer a confident review.  It would be nice if somebody non-maas-related who knew django well could investigate.
[21:09] <pitti> stgraber: I'd rather minimize the exposure of new packages, but I don't have a solid objection against introducing them as NEW ones, so I'm fine with letting the server team decide about that
[21:09]  * kees agrees with pitti
[21:09] <cjwatson> If they really are non-invasive then it probably isn't worth the hassle of trying to move the fix around; but I would like to have an unbiased assessment of that.
[21:10] <cjwatson> stgraber: I'd rather bundle too.
[21:10] <smoser> cjwatson, i'd have to look further to see which of the django changes are required.
[21:10] <stgraber> ok ;) As I said, I don't mind very much, I just have a vague interest in the tftp bit and it'd have the nice advantage of saving me an upload to my PPA, but that's about the extent of how much I care ;)
[21:10] <slangasek> the maas package currently in precise depends on the external python-django package; so switching it to bundle now would seem to be a bit of a regression on that score
[21:10] <cjwatson> Yes, I'm not currently offering an opinion on bundling or otherwise of django
[21:11] <cjwatson> I'd like to have the smallest change with lowest risk; it's not clear at this point where that lives
[21:11] <slangasek> while the python-django changes don't meet the letter of the SRU policy as ScottK says, it's not a wholesale backport or anything... I think the django SRU approach makes sense
[21:12] <cjwatson> And for the record I think the "my way or the highway" approach evidenced in bug 1081392 is entirely inappropriate for a technical discussion in a bug report.
[21:12] <cjwatson> (from the maas team)
[21:13] <smoser> clearly that could have gone better. i dont think anyone would disagree.
[21:13] <cjwatson> It may be the right thing to do, but let's try reasoning rather than assertion :-)
[21:14] <slangasek> if the TB generally feels it's warranted to override the SRU policy here, I'm happy to dig into the details of the python-django SRU and assess it (as I have some familiarity with django)
[21:15] <smoser> i can make sure the maas team offers help / guidance to slangasek there.
[21:15] <pitti> my gut feeling is that these sound small enough to warrant an SRU exception, but it hasn't been made clear how these can be regression-tested
[21:15] <cjwatson> I would like to have some notion of how we can regression-test this for other django users
[21:15] <pitti> i. e. with prominent python-django rdepends
[21:16] <kees> agreed. I only know the simplest of django uses, and I don't think that's sufficient.
[21:16] <pitti> and it would be great if these two SRU bugs could get patches attached for review
[21:16] <slangasek> pitti: I believe, but have not yet verified, that the new features don't change the behavior of existing code
[21:16] <pitti> it's always easier to judge regression potential by looking at what actually changd
[21:16] <slangasek> thats my recollection of the previous discussion around that SRU
[21:17] <pitti> e. g. if that just adds a new function to the API, it'd be harmless
[21:17] <pitti> which may very well be the case here
[21:17] <stgraber> At least the addition of GenericIPAddressfield sounds to me like it could be done in the maas code without requiring shipping a whole copy of django, so maybe that's another way to get the feature without having to SRU new features into a stable release?
[21:17] <cjwatson> Has GenericIPAddressField been security-reviewed (this is on a security boundary, right?)?  Does it handle database migration?
[21:18] <stgraber> I'm not terribly familiar with Django, but it sounds like this is just a convenience type which ends up being mapped to an int in the DB, so surely this can be done without patching the core?
[21:18]  * ScottK mostly felt django was a TB decision, not just ubuntu-sru.
[21:18] <ScottK> If you're happy, I'm happy.
[21:18] <cjwatson> I could see prefetch being suitable - it would improve perf for other users, presumably - but it's a fairly complex change I can't review
[21:18] <smoser> stgraber, you're probably correct. i'm sure we can find some way to get the same functionality inside of maas.
[21:18]  * pitti feels he has too little data to decide whether he should be scared or happy
[21:19] <cjwatson> If it's had qualified code review and has some kind of plan for regression-testing then I'd be OK with the prefetch change
[21:19] <smoser> the ipv6 code there, just ends up taking the same path as other suggested chaanges.
[21:19] <smoser> as to whether it should be shoved inside maas (and not available to others) or incorporated into sru for others to benefit.
[21:19] <cjwatson> I guess I'm more or less agnostic about GenericIPAddressField
[21:19] <cjwatson> "not available to others" shouldn't be a consideration we apply in SRUs, though
[21:20] <cjwatson> Least-risk is pretty much an overriding criterion
[21:20] <smoser> fair
[21:20] <cjwatson> Same logic as yui3/raphael
[21:20] <stgraber> right, prefetch seems way harder to keep inside maas, so I think this one may be fine for an exception provided sufficient testing and guarantee it won't affect existing code (that it's just an addition that only maas will use as far as packaged software goes)
[21:20] <smoser> right. which is what i was trying to say.
[21:22] <cjwatson> Any more comments?  I'd be happy to hand off detailed review to slangasek's judgement
[21:23] <smoser> only comment is that everyone involved is aware that this is not "traditional SRU"
[21:23] <smoser> the overriding interst is in getting something useful to ubuntu users to live on 12.04.
[21:24] <cjwatson> ScottK: FWIW (re 1081392) if you *wanted* to push for a wholesale update of owncloud on the basis that the old version is completely useless, I don't know that I'd be completely opposed; I actually wondered why nobody was doing that
[21:24] <ScottK> It would have required backporting a bunch of other packages.
[21:24] <kees> apologies, I have to run away early...
[21:24] <ScottK> If it was just owncloud, that's the direction we'd have gone.
[21:25] <cjwatson> maas was pretty immature in precise, which was a problem in itself at the time.  Indeed, it's not a traditional SRU; but I can see the value in it.
[21:25] <cjwatson> ScottK: Ah, fair enough
[21:25] <stgraber> ScottK: and I assume those are big/complex enough that you couldn't get away with the same bundling game as MAAS?
[21:25] <cjwatson> kees: thanks
[21:26] <smoser> the maas and ubuntu server teams will do whatever is necessary to do this right.
[21:26] <stgraber> anyway, for the actual discussion topic, I'm happy having this be a one-off thing for MAAS and I trust ~ubuntu-sru to enforce the rigorous testing this will require (especially for the django bits), so I'm happy having slangasek and the ubuntu-sru team do the review and have this move along
[21:27] <pitti> yeah, I agree for MAAS itself; that's sufficiently a "leaf" package, and the rationale makes sense to me for an LTS
[21:27] <cjwatson> Yep.  Do we need a vote (is there any dissent), or shall we carry this by acclamation?
[21:28] <cjwatson> kees sounded in general agreement
[21:28] <pitti> to me it seems we by and large agree; we all want to see a regression test plan for django and maas itself, and bundle the others
[21:28] <stgraber> I don't think I heard anyone being explicitly against it, we're really just discussing some of the implementation details which I'm sure the SRU team can take care of ;)
[21:28] <cjwatson> OK, let's move on then; I'll distil this into the minutes
[21:29] <smoser> thanks all.
[21:29] <pitti> ScottK: I want to say thanks for following the proper process here
[21:29] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks.
[21:29] <cjwatson> I see nothing new on the list
[21:29] <cjwatson> And no open bugs
[21:29] <cjwatson> #topic AOB
[21:31] <pitti> a quick FYI, no further responses to the brainstorm reviews
[21:32] <cjwatson> Oh, hell, I haven't done mine yet
[21:32]  * cjwatson sticks that on kanban in an attempt to remember
[21:33] <pitti> I'll send a followup reminder email
[21:33] <cjwatson> also:
[21:33] <cjwatson> #action cjwatson to amend SRU/MRE documentation to reflect slangasek's comments about bundling
[21:33] <meetingology> ACTION: cjwatson to amend SRU/MRE documentation to reflect slangasek's comments about bundling
[21:33] <cjwatson> if that's OK with everyone
[21:33] <pitti> oh, thanks
[21:33] <stgraber> yep, thanks
[21:34] <cjwatson> going once
[21:34] <cjwatson> going twice
[21:35] <cjwatson> sold to the developer in the orange hat
[21:35] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[21:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb  4 21:35:44 2013 UTC.
[21:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-04-21.00.moin.txt
[21:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-04-21.00.html
[21:35] <cjwatson> I'll write up minutes when evening time permits
[21:35] <pitti> thanks everyone


[00:14] <Evel-Knievel7> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[00:14] <Evel-Knievel7> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[00:14] <Evel-Knievel7> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[00:14] <Evel-Knievel7> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
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[02:56] <L23522> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[02:56] <L23522> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[02:56] <L23522> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[02:56] <L23522> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[02:56] <L23522> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:25] <tsp19> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:25] <tsp19> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:25] <tsp19> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:25] <tsp19> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:25] <tsp19> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:57] <moonlight13> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:57] <moonlight13> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:57] <moonlight13> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:57] <moonlight13> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:58] <moonlight13> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:59] <MissionCritical> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:59] <MissionCritical> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:59] <MissionCritical> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:59] <MissionCritical> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:59] <MissionCritical> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[04:15] <davidebeatrici29> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[04:15] <davidebeatrici29> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[04:15] <davidebeatrici29> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[04:15] <davidebeatrici29> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[04:15] <davidebeatrici29> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[05:20] <EXCEPTS> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[05:21] <EXCEPTS> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[05:21] <EXCEPTS> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[05:21] <EXCEPTS> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[05:21] <EXCEPTS> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[05:49] <basic`5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[05:49] <basic`5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[05:49] <basic`5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[05:49] <basic`5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[05:49] <basic`5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:44] <stoner1911> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:44] <stoner1911> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:44] <stoner1911> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:44] <stoner1911> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:45] <stoner1911> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:20] <sst660> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:20] <sst660> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:20] <sst660> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:20] <sst660> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[09:20] <sst660> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[10:32] <KellerFuchs17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[10:32] <KellerFuchs17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[10:32] <KellerFuchs17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[10:32] <KellerFuchs17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[10:32] <KellerFuchs17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:10] <moved> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:10] <moved> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:11] <moved> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:11] <moved> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:11] <moved> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:19] <DarkMukke10> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:19] <DarkMukke10> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:19] <DarkMukke10> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:19] <DarkMukke10> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:20] <DarkMukke10> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:55] <Chords> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:55] <Chords> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:55] <Chords> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:55] <Chords> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:55] <Chords> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:16] <supercool13> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:16] <supercool13> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:16] <supercool13> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:16] <supercool13> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:16] <supercool13> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:17] <Steinsplitter28> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:17] <Steinsplitter28> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:17] <Steinsplitter28> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:17] <Steinsplitter28> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:17] <Steinsplitter28> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:46] <Skaag16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:46] <Skaag16> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:46] <Skaag16> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:46] <Skaag16> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:46] <Skaag16> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:53] <MuffinMedic11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:53] <MuffinMedic11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:53] <MuffinMedic11> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:53] <MuffinMedic11> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:53] <MuffinMedic11> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:18] <meti25> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:18] <meti25> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:18] <meti25> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[13:18] <meti25> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[13:18] <meti25> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:44] <jelly5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:44] <jelly5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:44] <jelly5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[13:44] <jelly5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[13:44] <jelly5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[14:15] <apetresc8> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[14:15] <apetresc8> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[14:15] <apetresc8> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[14:15] <apetresc8> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[14:15] <apetresc8> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[16:01] <keithn6> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:01] <keithn6> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[16:01] <keithn6> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[16:01] <keithn6> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[16:01] <keithn6> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[16:40] <Xiti2> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:40] <Xiti2> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[16:40] <Xiti2> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[16:40] <Xiti2> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[16:40] <Xiti2> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[17:47] <Janusz6> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[17:47] <Janusz6> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[17:47] <Janusz6> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[17:47] <Janusz6> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[17:48] <Janusz6> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[18:02] <Dominian5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[18:02] <Dominian5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[18:02] <Dominian5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[18:02] <Dominian5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[18:02] <Dominian5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[18:17] <smaudet14> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[18:17] <smaudet14> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[18:17] <smaudet14> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[18:17] <smaudet14> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[18:17] <smaudet14> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[19:14] <biberao15> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:14] <biberao15> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[19:14] <biberao15> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[19:14] <biberao15> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[19:14] <biberao15> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[19:29] <Compu> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:30] <Compu> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[19:30] <Compu> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[19:30] <Compu> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[19:30] <Compu> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[20:13] <Phex> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:13] <Phex> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:13] <Phex> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:27] <ProClifo> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:27] <ProClifo> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:27] <ProClifo> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:27] <ProClifo> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[20:27] <ProClifo> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[21:33] <captain4222> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[21:33] <captain4222> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[21:33] <captain4222> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[21:33] <captain4222> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[21:33] <captain4222> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/


[01:32] <bonny> YA MUDDA
[02:12] <bonny> how do i download the game Doom in lx terminal
[02:12] <bonny> or do i have to download from website
[02:17] <jmarsden> bonny: There is apparently a free clone of it called prboom that is packaged for Ubuntu.  So    sudo apt-get install prboom      migght work.
[02:18] <bonny> ok thanks
[02:19] <bonny> i miss the old games haha :)
[02:22] <bonny> yeah its not workin idk why after i click a level it just exits
[02:23] <bonny> do you know of any other old shooting games
[02:24] <jmarsden> bonny: apt-cache search shoot    # should give you some ideas :)
[02:24] <bonny> ok
[02:24] <bonny> what will it do if i do that
[02:25] <bonny> will it not exit automatically?
[02:25] <jmarsden> Give you a list of all pacakges whose names and descriptions have "shoot" somewhere in them.
[02:25] <bonny> but how will that help me
[02:25] <jmarsden> exit automatically?  from the shell?  no.
[02:25] <bonny> nevermind
[02:26] <bonny> i understand now srry
[02:26] <jmarsden> bonny: Huh???  When you see one you like you do   sudo apt-get install PACKAGE and install it :)
[02:26] <jmarsden> OK.
[02:26] <bonny> im srry i understand now but is this how i remove it sudo apt-get remove prboom
[02:26] <jmarsden> Yes.  Or   sudo apt-get purge prboom to make sure you remove all config files too.
[02:28] <Unit193> prboom won't run if you don't have a wad file
[02:28] <bonny> Where do i get the WAD file
[02:28] <jayant> hello everyone. I just installed lubuntu-desktop package. When i login using the lubuntu session, the terminal has a background image. How do i remove that ?
[02:29] <Unit193> bonny: apt-cache search wad
[02:29] <bonny> ok and there should be one for doom?
[02:30] <Unit193> bonny: apt-cache search wad |grep doom <--- that will work better
[02:30] <bonny> ok thanks
[02:30] <bonny> y
[02:31] <bonny> srry ignore the y
[02:31] <bonny> y
[02:31] <bonny> omg i did it again
[02:33] <bonny> apt-cache search wad |grep doom
[02:33] <bonny> deutex - composition tool for doom-style WAD files
[02:33] <bonny> freedoom - free game files for the 3D game DOOM
[02:33] <bonny> chocolate-doom - Doom engine closely-compatible with vanilla doom
[02:33] <bonny> doom-wad-shareware - Shareware game files for the 3D game DOOM
[02:33] <bonny> thats wat it said
[02:34] <Unit193> OK, what about it?
[02:35] <Unit193> doom-wad-shareware - Shareware game files for the 3D game DOOM
[02:37] <bonny> how do i install it what would the command be sudo apt-get install doom-wad-shareware
[02:37] <bonny> ?
[02:38] <Unit193> How did we tell you to install stuff before?
[02:38] <bonny> You didnt
[02:40] <Unit193> Yes we did for prboom, opera, firefox, chrom and others, sudo apt-get install PACKAGE
[02:44] <bonny_> ok
[02:44] <bonny_> JUST PACKA I TYPE IN TERMINAL SUDO APT-GET INSTALL PACKAGE
[02:45] <bonny_> E: Couldn't find package package
[02:45]  * szczur facepalms
[02:45] <bonny_> ?
[02:46] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install {the packagename}
[02:46] <Unit193> So: sudo apt-get install doom-wad-shareware
[02:51] <bonny_> Thankyou that is all i needed
[02:51] <bonny_> jeez
[02:51] <bonny_> its still not running
[02:52] <bonny_> its opening then wheni choose a level it exits for some reason
[02:53] <bonny_> Do you know of any other old games
[02:55] <Unit193> apt-cache search old game
[03:08] <silverlightning> hi
[03:08] <Unit193> Hello silverlightning
[03:22] <silverlightning> so you know if lubuntu can run totemplayer
[03:22] <silverlightning> hi unit193
[03:23] <silverlightning> only player I can make do anythingis totem, but it is pretty heavy on the system
[03:35] <silverlightning> hi
[03:36]  * Unit193 doesn't use totem
[03:46] <silverlightning> totem is the only way I have managed to watch online tv
[03:47] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install totem <-- that will show you if totem works :D
[04:37] <silverlightning> i discoverd my harddrive was totally ruined
[04:37] <silverlightning> somehow it wasnt' that obvious
[04:38] <silverlightning> I had all kinds of booting problems
[07:06] <silverlightning> hi
[07:06] <silverlightning> anyone here?
[07:06] <Unit193> Yeah
[07:07] <silverlightning> I am about to boot in lubuntu, probably and atempt to install to a portable harddrive
[07:07] <silverlightning> good unit193
[07:07] <silverlightning> I might go for ubuntu, but it is a bit taxing on the system
[07:08] <Unit193> What's your question?
[07:08] <silverlightning> I don't know how grub and boot will act when I install to a usb connected harddrive
[07:08] <silverlightning> do you have any idea?
[07:08] <bioterror> sure
[07:09] <bioterror> install grub into your usb drive
[07:09] <bioterror> and boot into it
[07:09] <bioterror> from bIOS
[07:09] <Unit193> Yeah, bioterror's here!
[07:09] <bioterror> problem slved
[07:09] <bioterror> !NEXT
[07:09] <silverlightning> cool
[07:09] <silverlightning> and grub will place it's self in the harddrive, I cannot remember grub was anything but autumantic in lubuntu
[07:10] <silverlightning> ?
[07:12] <bioterror> should place
[07:13] <silverlightning> thanks
[07:13] <silverlightning> now for reboot
[12:22] <penoss> Thanks Ernie - Age 35, New Jersey
[12:22] <penoss> My first time was when I was in High School. My friend Ernie and I were fooling around on the floor in his den. I always liked him to take me from behind - it felt naughtier and sexier that way.  I shivered with anticipation.  He didn't ask
[12:22] <penoss> about anal sex. He could see that I was turned on.  I moaned with pleasure and pushed back towards him. Soon I could hear him pouring more lube onto his cock.  Slowly he pushed forward until the head popped beyond the sphincter. Then he stopped to let me relax. After a few seconds of adjustment I started to slowly push back onto him. It was incredible!!!! He reached around and started to play with my clit - I saw stars and came continuously!!! When he came I could feel him swell and
[12:22] <penoss> spurt into my ass.
[12:22] <penoss> Sadly, we didn't get to repeat that performance.  I thank Ernie for such a great introduction to anal sex. It was incredible!!!
[13:35] <dyllan> hey guys
[13:36] <dyllan> I have just come across your project as a need for a fast and lightweight linux OS for our company.
[13:36] <dyllan> I am very interested in trying it out and if successful would be installing it on +- 200 units.
[13:37] <dyllan> The unit we are using is: http://www.devonit.com/hardware/tc5-compact/overview
[13:38] <dyllan> I am curious to know how you think your OS will perform on this piece of hardware.
[13:39] <dyllan> For months I have been working towards finding the best suited OS to run on this hardware, from gentoo to ubuntu 10.10, centos, LFS, all which work OK but just lack that speed my users are so used to at the moment.
[13:39] <dyllan> If there is someone around that I can bounce ideas and questions off that would be great
[13:39] <dyllan> thanks.
[13:41] <dyllan> I should also mention that from a software perspective our users will only require a mail client, browser and office suite.
[13:41] <dyllan> Any data will be stored in their /home folders which will be mounted on a server on the LAN
[13:42] <dyllan> I would also need the ability to lockdown the desktop to a degree and remove any unnecessary applications. ie. chat clients, torrent software, media software etc.
[13:47] <dyllan> if lubuntu turns out to be the OS we have been looking for my company will be happy to make regular donations towards continued development as well as providing myself as a resource in whatever way I may be able to help.
[16:26] <dyllan> guys, can you tell me where I set default applications open-with etc? From the file manager and browser - thanks
[16:32] <dyllan> more chromium
[20:15] <zerothis> I need help to know which Canonical support option to buy

[20:16] <bioterror> tl;dr
[20:25] <MrChrisDruif> zerothis: For what do you need Canonical support?
[20:29] <zerothis> Mainly creating a sure-to-boot external writable drive installation of ubuntu readable by any system transferable to x86 or PPC machines, updated every six months.
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> For that you don't need Canonical support? :)
[21:07] <zerothis> MrChrisDruif, ok so I have myself a lubuntu image. What now?
[21:08] <zerothis> oh, and ins intalling on virtual box currently, and I have a thumbdrive to create the alwaysboot installation
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Well, seeing x86 & PPC are different beasts, you'd need both architectures. And btw, as Lubuntu isn't officially part of the family, I guess it would be hard to get support right now from Canonical :)
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Currently there isn't a PPC installation available for Lubuntu, but afaik it's optional to make one from the PPC minimal install iso
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> With the lubuntu ppa
[21:30] <zerothis> so I can get help to make a PPC? and how do I make the same data available to both boots (I was unable to accomplish this myself with a x86/x64 USB drive)
[21:33] <brickwall> Well, you'd have to make a separate /data partition afaik, because /home would also save settings, which isn't very handy with separate systems
[21:34] <bonny> do u know of any old multiplayer shootng games
[21:40] <bonny> Is there
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> Old multiplayer shooting games?
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> I know an awesome multiplayer shooting game, but it isn't old :P
[21:43] <zerothis>  bonny: luola. don't know if its old but its retrogameplay
[21:44] <bonny> I know awsome multiplayer shooters too but i need old ones ill try luola zerothis
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Called Warsow 0.5 if I'm not mistaken
[21:44] <bonny> warsaw sucks it modern but it sucks i have A.v.A. in my winows 7 somputer
[21:45] <zerothis> the place to investigate linux games by style/players or other arbitrary criteria would be uvlist.net
[21:45] <bonny> ok
[21:45] <MrChrisDruif> You could also look on ubuntugamer.com
[21:47] <zerothis> bonny: <http://www.uvlist.net/search?sort=name&ftype=C&fpersp=&fplay=&flang=&frati=&fshop=&ftag=mp%25&fplat=106> ya, ubuntu game is nice too, but UVL offeres more search criteria
[21:48] <zerothis> 1st person shooters <http://www.uvlist.net/search?sort=name&ftype=C&fpersp=&fplay=&flang=&frati=&fshop=&fplat=106>
[21:49] <zerothis> listed by year <http://www.uvlist.net/search?ftype=c&fplat=106&sort=year>
[21:49] <bonny> wat do i od in luola is it onlien multiplayer
[21:52] <zerothis> bonny: i dont know if you meant 1stperson shooters or more generic shooters. Luola is a multiplayer cave-flyer shooter <http://www.luolamies.org/software/luola/#screenshots>
[21:55] <bonny> when you multiplayer can i [lay against people online ya do u know of any old fps
[21:56] <bonny> and by the way what is the aim of the game in luola
[21:59] <zerothis> bonny: Luola, shoot the other guys till they explode, don't crash into the walls, don't get shot
[22:00] <bonny> but is it online multiplayer and how do i shoot
[22:03] <zerothis> bonny: pretty sure its online. you shoot with keyboard or gamepad according to how you define the controls in the config section. there is a whole caveflyer genre and linux has quite a few of them. here's some <http://www.uvlist.net/search?sort=year&fplat=106&fvisu=tags&ftag=caveflyer>. the caveflyer gnere has a long history on UNIX (therefore they've been ported to linux)
[22:03] <bonny> so when im playing im playing aginst real people?
[22:05] <bonny> do u not understand i mean not against friends or family sitting next to me  i mean online as in i play against people from a differentcountry
[22:14] <zerothis> i'm sure some of those, if not all, have online play
[22:18] <zerothis> afk
[22:20] <bonny> How do i play against other people in the world on luola
[22:47] <bonny> Ok I love the old classic game Doom. Now I want to play online so I downloaded python-zdaemon from lx terminal but which category will it be in and how would i open it from lx terminal
[22:55] <bonny_> Answer My Question PLEASE!!!!
[23:24] <bonny> Please answer
[23:29] <bonny> I hate this channel no one ever answers ive been waiting for 3 hours now OMG
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> You downloaded python-zdeamon...what does it even do?
[23:33] <MrChrisDruif> bonny: ^
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> Well bonny if you don't even respond, I'll be off to bed. Sleep well everyone :)