[09:13] <Gatton> it looks like smbfs is not on the main repository? or maybe it's in universe?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: try contacting the Ubuntu team through their web site?
[09:14] <davekempe> smbfs is in universe
[09:14] <davekempe> cifs is probably what you wants tho
[09:16] <SiTtInG_dUcK> have looked on site but not found an email address so i try here to solve prob
[09:16] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: cool, let me try...
[09:17] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback
[09:18] <SiTtInG_dUcK> thnx
[09:18] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: yup.
[09:18] <dabaSlon> just a little directions..
[09:19] <Gatton> so where are you some of you folks? am i the only one for whom it's extraordinarily late (or early?) :)
[09:19] <dabaSlon> canada
[09:19] <thenuke> Finland
[09:20] <ivoks> croatia
[09:20] <wdh> holland..
[09:20] <Gatton> united states to answer my own query
[09:20] <dabaSlon> hey ivoks
[09:20] <wdh> its about 9 am here :)
[09:20] <dabaSlon> same in croatia
[09:21] <Gatton> wdh, lovely place. hope to visit some day
[09:21] <thenuke> 10@Morning
[09:21] <dabaSlon> that is a non valid email address:-p
[09:21] <thenuke> I would also like to see some parts of US
[09:21] <Gatton> thenuke: so would i. i haven't visited much of it :)
[09:21] <wdh> Gatton, the coffee is almost ready :P
[09:22] <thenuke> maybe some of those really big cities and then something completely else, south USA maybe
[09:22] <Gatton> thenuke: i'm in the south. come on by. you can try to teach me that impossible language you guys speak ;)
[09:23] <revelater> ok, now aterm quit working
[09:24] <revelater> correctly
[09:24] <revelater> and so did the alpha levels on the menu and tool bars
[09:24] <dabaSlon> i lke you r desktop, revelater
[09:24] <thenuke> Gatton: Very possible to teach some words or simple sentences :)
[09:24] <dabaSlon> I have the picture still
[09:25] <revelater> are you sure it was mine?
[09:25] <dabaSlon> yup
[09:25] <dabaSlon> the fluxbox
[09:25] <dabaSlon> blueish blk
[09:25] <revelater> ohhh, i thought i was in #fluxbox... oops
[09:25] <dabaSlon> with the monitors on the right
[09:25] <revelater> nope, mine are on the left
[09:26] <Gatton> thenuke: always enjoyed learning a few words here and there in other languages. is it more correct to say suomi?
[09:26] <thenuke> Gatton: Got that right
[09:26] <Gatton> cool
[09:27] <dabaSlon> revelater: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback
[09:27] <dabaSlon> haha
[09:27] <dabaSlon> revelater: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/flux_latest.jpg
[09:27] <thenuke> Gatton: I know one italian girl who learned to speak Suomi pretty good by ircing in finnish channels :D
[09:27] <revelater> thats pretty cool, but it aint mine
[09:28] <dabaSlon> why is your IRC nick in there?
[09:28] <Gatton> thenuke: that sounds like a good way to practice. i think my pronunciation would still suck though :)
[09:28] <dabaSlon> oh, that was dazzed
[09:28] <dabaSlon> sorry:(
[09:28] <revelater> lol
[09:28] <threat> G'Day
[09:29] <dabaSlon> yo.
[09:29] <AstralJava> Gatton: If you're trying to pronounce something in Finnish, then don't worry. It's probably one of the toughest in this world. :)
[09:29] <thenuke> Gatton: Most definately yes :) For that Italian girl pronouncation would not be that hard because they have pretty same kind of pronouncation
[09:29] <Gatton> AstralJava: that was my impression too ;)
[09:29] <Gatton> thenuke: i have to admit though...most of my experience with spoken Finnish was from those Star Trek parodies heh
[09:30] <AstralJava> Oh, that's hilarious. :)
[09:30] <thenuke> Gatton: :D
[09:30] <thenuke> Gatton: They are SO great :D
[09:30] <threat> Star Trek parodies?
[09:30] <Gatton> hehe
[09:30] <thenuke> threat: Starwreck
[09:30] <Gatton> fire twinklers and light balls
[09:30] <thenuke> http://www.starwreck.com/
[09:31] <threat> thenuke, I see
[09:31] <threat> hmmm on an unrelated topic, does samba support FileSystem (Reiserfs) ACL's?
[09:32] <threat> s/samba/the samba that ships with Ubuntu :)/
[09:33] <dabaSlon> threat: and now for something conpletely diff...
[09:34] <threat> dabaSlon, heh
[09:34] <threat> dabaSlon, I like the boring life of an accountant
[09:34] <ivoks> i hate when this happens...
[09:35] <threat> any way
[09:35] <dabaSlon> threat: exolain taht...
[09:35] <threat> dabaSlon, "dabaSlon threat: and now for something conpletely diff..."  :P
[09:47] <Gatton> well
[09:47] <alexandre> i have a little problem with rythmbox
[09:47] <Gatton> when you say problems :)
[09:47] <Echylo> they all come
[09:48] <Echylo> what alexandre
[09:48] <alexandre> when i try to read my music, i got an error: "could not open resource for writing"
[09:48] <alexandre> any idea?
[09:48] <Echylo> hmm
[09:48] <Echylo> .ogg, .mp3 ?
[09:48] <alexandre> mp3
[09:49] <Echylo> sure that mp3 support is installed?
[09:49] <alexandre> yes; i was reading exactly the same file tomorrow
[09:49] <sir-gold> alexandre are you using hoary?
[09:49] <alexandre> yep
[09:49] <sir-gold> then mp3 playback is installed
[09:49] <cyphase> y is it that gnome play's mp3 when you scroll over them, but not ogg's?
[09:50] <alexandre> apt-get install gstreamer-mad already done
[09:50] <Echylo> hmm, is it with one specific file? I guess not
[09:50] <sir-gold> i didn't have to install gstreamer to play mp3s
[09:50] <alexandre> no, i cant read any music file
[09:51] <alexandre> if i try to open a file with totem, i have the same error
[09:51] <anethema> goddamn vlc is buggy
[09:51] <anethema> the hotkeys are soo iffy
[09:51] <anethema> sometimes work, sometimes not
[09:51] <anethema> bah
[09:51] <sir-gold> anethema http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[09:51] <Echylo> :)
[09:51] <anethema> they are lucky the video is so smooth
[09:51] <anethema> i have no sound problems
[09:52] <anethema> heh
[09:52] <Echylo> its alexandre sir-gold :P
[09:52] <anethema> but ill look anyways
[09:52] <sir-gold> err, yeah alexandre
[09:52] <Echylo> I was confusing them too
[09:52] <sir-gold> too many people in this channel, i can't be so lazy with the tab completeion
[09:52] <Echylo> hehe :)
[09:53] <revelater> hey guys, after installing a cursor, how do i get rid of it?
[09:53] <anethema> haha
[09:53] <sir-gold> its pretty bad when i have to type 5 or 6 letters for tab complete to work right
[09:53] <lampshade> So I just followed the fact for installing media codecs, but mplayer still can't play .wmv neither can totem, ideas?  I got nothing  I thought the w32codecs would take care of that
[09:53] <Echylo> hehe, just type their whole name, so you practice typing ;)
[09:54] <sir-gold> its really bad when i try to tab complete words
[09:54] <revelater> yah, but some people got some capitol letters spread out and some wierd characters going on...
[09:54] <revelater> sir-gold: i didn't even know i could do that until just now :p
[09:54] <sir-gold> what reall annoys me is names that start with `
[09:54] <Echylo> lampshade, I have exactly the same problem, everything except wmv
[09:54] <revelater> YES
[09:54] <Echylo> lel sir :)
[09:55] <revelater> lel?
[09:55] <Echylo> laughing extremely loud
[09:55] <revelater> i see
[09:55] <anethema> lampshade,  and Echylo
[09:55] <Echylo> :p
[09:55] <revelater> anywho, anyone here install a different curser?
[09:55] <anethema> uninsyall the totem you have now wiht synaptic
[09:55] <anethema> and install totem-xine
[09:55] <Echylo> I did
[09:55] <anethema> then go to the mplayer site...
[09:56] <anethema> and download the codecs
[09:56] <revelater> and compile
[09:56] <anethema> and put them in the totem codecs dir
[09:56] <revelater> from source
[09:56] <Echylo> owk
[09:56] <sir-gold> revelater in control panel go to peripherals>mouse>cursor tab
[09:56] <sir-gold> select the theme and remove it
[09:56] <revelater> sir-gold: lol, i don't have a control panel
[09:56] <Echylo> system
[09:56] <sir-gold> control center
[09:56] <revelater> sir-gold: nope
[09:56] <Echylo> I'm on a windows machine(school) so I can't give directions :p
[09:56] <revelater> sir-gold: using fluxbox
[09:57] <revelater> sir-gold: if there is a program that can handle it i can still fun it
[09:57] <revelater> run
[09:57] <sir-gold> kcontrol
[09:58] <revelater> is that a kde tool?
[09:58] <sir-gold> hmm, i wonder what its called in gnome
[09:58] <sir-gold> yeah
[09:58] <revelater> i haven't installed kde...
[09:58] <sir-gold> try it anyway
[09:58] <wdh> gnome-control-center iirc
[09:58] <revelater> just did :P
[09:58] <sir-gold> gcontrol?
[09:59] <wdh> sir-gold, gnome-control-center
[09:59] <revelater> ok, what would it be under then/
[09:59] <revelater> ?
[09:59] <revelater> theme?
[09:59] <Echylo> try it? :)
[09:59] <sir-gold> i don't see why there has to be 2 completely different versions of every app just because kde and gnome are different
[10:00] <Burgundavia> sir-gold, NotMadeHere TM
[10:00] <sir-gold> revelater mouse
[10:01] <revelater> sir-gold: i don't think thats it, i think it was theme
[10:01] <alexandre> ok, i have installed xmms and it now working
[10:01] <revelater> mouse doens't give me any options as to themes
[10:01] <alexandre> but nt rhytmnbox
[10:02] <lampshade> anethema, You don't happen to know where that totem codecs dir is supposed to be do you?
[10:02] <sir-gold> not themes, pointers
[10:02] <revelater> alexandre: try synaptic
[10:02] <sir-gold> or cursor
[10:02] <bosewicht> relelater...u need to configuration editor
[10:02] <bosewicht> rhythmbox is installed with ubuntu
[10:02] <revelater> there is neither
[10:03] <bosewicht> u need to install the configuration editor
[10:03] <revelater> well, there is cursers, but it only allows the changing of the size and highlighting thing
[10:03] <bosewicht> u can change the cursor
[10:03] <revelater> bosewicht: configuration editor?
[10:04] <revelater> bosewicht: i just need to make sure i can change it back when i get tired of this style
[10:04] <bosewicht> after u install it go to /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse
[10:04] <bosewicht> u can
[10:04] <revelater> but... what if i am not using gnome?
[10:04] <bosewicht> what are u using?
[10:05] <revelater> fluxbox
[10:05] <bosewicht> hmm, u can change the cursor in flux too....i dont remember how tho
[10:05] <bosewicht> i have used flux in a while
[10:05] <Echylo> so much trouble for a thing you just click with :p
[10:05] <bosewicht> lol
[10:06] <revelater> well, i ran an install sh and i am not sure what it did, or how to reverse it
[10:06] <bosewicht> use a mouseless wm
[10:06] <Echylo> use terminal :p
[10:06] <revelater> fluxbox
[10:06] <revelater> can be
[10:06] <bosewicht> install sh what?
[10:06] <Echylo> gtg
[10:06] <revelater> the cursor
[10:07] <MetallicB> Finaly
[10:07] <MetallicB> got temponairy internet :@
[10:07] <MetallicB> just 20 minutes and il be poof offline
[10:07] <bosewicht> i usally put the mouse themes in ~/.icons
[10:07] <k31th> morning guys
[10:07] <revelater> should i just remove it then/
[10:08] <k31th> i got ubuntu on the laptop now :D
[10:08] <revelater> my laptop has super powers
[10:08] <bosewicht> ubuntu is laptop friendly
[10:08] <revelater> and it disguises itself as a desktop pc
[10:08] <kevin06> It is indeed!
[10:09] <k31th> lol
[10:09] <k31th> yeah its running nice
[10:09] <k31th> had gentoo on here before
[10:09] <revelater> bosewicht: so if i just delete the file what will happen?
[10:09] <k31th> havent got time for a stage 1 tbh
[10:09] <bosewicht> it will be gone   :)
[10:09] <k31th> this seems pretty nippy mind you
[10:09] <anethema> ok guys bedtime, gotta be up in 4 hours
[10:09] <kevin06> Hey, I am looking for a software recommendation. I need something similar to iPhoto on OS X. Any recommendations?
[10:09] <bosewicht> gthumb?
[10:09] <bosewicht> never used iphoto tho
[10:10] <kevin06> Picasa then?
[10:10] <kevin06> When I was still tethered to Microshitty.
[10:10] <jsgotangco> use F-Spot
[10:10] <revelater> bosewicht: ummmm, will the system crash, will i not have a curser, or will it revert to default/
[10:10] <bosewicht> hmm, gthumb is good..image viewer
[10:10] <lampshade> why does mplayer choke and die whenever I try to use it on a webpage--the mplayer plugin or whatever
[10:10] <bosewicht> it should revert to default
[10:11] <revelater> i will test it out later
[10:11] <bosewicht> did u link or copy mplayer plugin to firefox?
[10:11] <alexandre> anyone know if there is lang-chat (like ubuntu-fr or...)
[10:11] <revelater> i can run everything by keyboard, so it doesn't worry
[10:11] <revelater> me
[10:11] <revelater> mouse just makes somethings faster
[10:12] <revelate1> hey look, its mee too
[10:12] <rj_> does the first african in space ever  come in here?
[10:12] <rj_> :/
[10:12] <lampshade> bosewicht, I'm not sure, what does that mean?  I click a link and the webpage will change to an mplayerplugin-in thing?
[10:12] <bosewicht> but it doesn't play?
[10:12] <revelate1> hi me!!
[10:12] <revelater> hey me!!
[10:13] <AstralJava> alexandre: There are some lang-chats, I'd be surprised if there weren't one for French. Try it, you'll be alone if there are no one else. :)
[10:13] <lampshade> bosewicht, no, what am I missing here?  I just followed the thing in the faq or whatever that is
[10:13] <lampshade> ubuntuguide.org -- just followed that
[10:13] <alexandre> in #ubuntu-fr i'ml alone :(
[10:13] <alexandre> well no
[10:13] <alexandre> sorry lol
[10:14] <Gatton> alexandre: i forgot my high school french lessons :(
[10:14] <alexandre> Gatton, np :)
[10:15] <bosewicht> lampshade...check u might need to slink or mv the plugin to firefox/plugins
[10:15] <bosewicht> brb
[10:17] <rj_> alexandre: quel semble tre le problme ?
[10:18] <rj_> je ne parle pas franais trs bon :/!
[10:19] <bosewicht> lampshade.....let me install it and see what happens
[10:20] <nubious> wewp - sup threat?
[10:21] <piratawww> holaa
[10:22] <threat> nub_brb, nadda
[10:22] <threat> need some samba filesystem ACL information/help though :)
[10:25] <j2dope> hi. i;ve installed bluetooth appz on ubuntu, but none seem to work? any advice?
[10:25] <k31th> j2dope: im just about to do bluetooth
[10:26] <alexandre> rj_, effectivement :) mais l'effort est meritant
[10:26] <j2dope> i used the synaptic package manager to install all the bluetooth stuff i could find
[10:26] <Gatton> well day one of ubuntu is a hit so far for me. night folks
[10:26] <j2dope> none work.. but bluetooth worked on Mandrake for me. and windows natually has no probz with it
[10:26] <Gatton> bonne nuit alexandre (apologies if i got that wrong!)
[10:27] <k31th> j2dope: did u install bluez
[10:27] <j2dope> everything except bluez-cups cos i dont have a printer
[10:28] <j2dope> no 'bluetooth' apps appear in my application menu either...
[10:28] <k31th> and if u type hciconfig
[10:28] <k31th> wat happens
[10:29] <k31th> j2dope: im guessing its usb ?
[10:29] <k31th> if so
[10:29] <k31th> do
[10:29] <k31th> lsusb
[10:29] <j2dope> k31th: http://pastebin.com/282024
[10:30] <cyphase> does anyone here know what exactly launchpad is?
[10:30] <k31th> j2dope:  mines the same. wat about lsusb
[10:31] <cyphase> and why can't you access the launchpad wiki without a password?
[10:31] <alexandre> Gatton, Np pas de probleme
[10:32] <j2dope> k31th: http://pastebin.com/282025
[10:33] <Burgundavia> cyphase, the launchpad wiki is for internal specs
[10:33] <Burgundavia> cyphase, basically how to do it technically
[10:34] <cyphase> hmm..
[10:35] <k31th> j2dope: im lookin bare with me im at work :p
[10:35] <j2dope> no worries mate
[10:35] <cyphase> shtoom looks interesting
[10:36] <Burgundavia> cyphase, launchpad is suite of apps for doing cool stuff
[10:36] <Burgundavia> cyphase, a better bug tracker, etc.
[10:36] <helloyo> is there a way for me to use a refresh rate of more then 60Hz on my new monitor (it handles it)
[10:36] <cyphase> for distro management you mean..
[10:37] <cyphase> not as a package in ubuntu
[10:37] <Burgundavia> cyphase, mostly for distro management
[10:37] <cyphase> i c
[10:37] <k31th> j2dope: you from the UK
[10:37] <ik> hi
[10:37] <ik> how can i install a program?
[10:37] <cyphase> the Breezy goals list looks nice
[10:37] <cyphase> ;)
[10:37] <ik> sudo apt-get install?
[10:37] <cyphase> ik, synaptic
[10:38] <Crasp> hello, is it correct that libapache2-mod-php4 is broken on hoary?
[10:38] <sir-gold> ik run synaptic
[10:38] <cyphase> or apt-get
[10:38] <ik> oh ok
[10:38] <cyphase> but if your asking, you should use synaptic
[10:38] <ik> its says as root, so i use sudo?
[10:39] <cyphase> ik, yea
[10:39] <ik> oki :)
[10:39] <cyphase> or you could run it from System -> Administration
[10:39] <nubious> holy cripes
[10:39] <nubious> Hoary Hedgehog runs way faster that Mr. Warthog
[10:39] <ik> its runing now :)
[10:39] <nubious> hence the hedgehog I presume
[10:39] <sir-gold> ik when synaptic asks for a password, use your user password
[10:40] <j2dope> k31th: no im from australia
[10:40] <ik> oh ok thankyou :) sir-gold
[10:40] <sir-gold> you don't have to use sudo with it
[10:40] <ik> oh ok
[10:40] <cbruggeman> lol
[10:40] <sir-gold> technically synaptic uses sudo internally
[10:41] <ik> i see ok
[10:41] <k31th> j2dope: just wondered as you said mate :D right do this;sudo apt-get install gnome-bluetooth
[10:41] <k31th> j2dope: then fire it up and hit scan should find stuff
[10:42] <j2dope> k31th: couldn't find gnome-bluetooh :| which repository is it in?
[10:42] <k31th> i think its in universe
[10:42] <Crasp> does anybody know if there is a problem with apache2 and php4 on hoary?
[10:43] <Crasp> my apache tells me that php is not threadsafe compiled and therefore i cannot use php
[10:43] <sir-gold> Crasp http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28241.html
[10:43] <Crasp> sir-gold: thanks
[10:43] <ik> in synaptic its not nmap :(
[10:43] <cbruggeman> i have the same problem Crasp but me it's for the php and mysql
[10:43] <cbruggeman> but use php4 with apache
[10:44] <cbruggeman> not apache2
[10:44] <cbruggeman> for me it's good
[10:44] <Crasp> i do not have that option :)
[10:44] <k31th> j2dope: anyluck
[10:45] <j2dope> k31th: no. it's not in my repositories for some reason
[10:45] <ik> its no posible to install nmap?
[10:45] <k31th> j2dope: you did an update
[10:45] <k31th> you running hoary ?
[10:45] <ik> nop
[10:45] <j2dope> warty
[10:45] <lifeless> can ubuntu resize hfs+ partitions ?
[10:46] <ik> sudo apt-get update?
[10:46] <j2dope> im rather new to ubuntu. where can i get all the latest repositories? i've added a few for dvd purposes
[10:46] <Crasp> lifeless: the question is more.. can parted do that :)
[10:46] <k31th> j2dope: ahh im in hoary try adding hoary rep just for this app
[10:46] <cbruggeman> and Crasp have you try to fix it with webmin ?
[10:46] <k31th> ermm j2dope ill paste u them hang on
[10:46] <Crasp> cbruggeman: webmin? no thanks, i do not use such software :)
[10:47] <j2dope> thanks k31th
[10:47] <cbruggeman> k :)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> j2dope, the latest repos are what you have already
[10:47] <Crasp> cbruggeman: apache2 just tells me that php is not compiled threadsafe, whether apache2-mpm-prefork is
[10:47] <j2dope> ah K.
[10:47] <Burgundavia> j2dope, if you want dvd playback, etc, you need the hoary-extras stuff
[10:48] <Burgundavia> j2dope, see ubuntuguide.org
[10:48] <ik> E: Couldn't find package nmap
[10:48] <Burgundavia> j2dope, otherwise, pretty much everything else free should be in the Ubuntu repos
[10:48] <j2dope> Burgundavia: yeh i added some other respository and got libdvdcss2 or something.
[10:48] <j2dope> it's wierd. gnome-bluetooth just does not appear in mine :|
[10:49] <Burgundavia> j2dope, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:49] <sir-gold> ik nmap is in there
[10:49] <ik> ok ok
[10:49] <sir-gold> synaptic has a search button
[10:50] <sir-gold> and if you click in the packages list and start typing it does a quick-search
[10:50] <ik> oh thanks :) ok
[10:50] <j2dope> read the restricted format text a lot of times. no mention of bluetooth ?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> j2dope, it tells you about universe/multiverse repos
[10:51] <j2dope> my apologies
[10:51] <Burgundavia> j2dope, np, I was obtuse
[10:52] <ik> sir-gold i do shearch but its nothing there
[10:52] <j2dope> Burgundavia: well it's better than being ignored when asking a n00b question, so i appreciate it
[10:53] <Burgundavia> j2dope, there are no dumb questions
[10:53] <sir-gold> ik that is really odd, it should be there
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ik, can you /query me your sources.list?
[10:53] <sir-gold> click the reload button at the top
[10:53] <ik> ok
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ik, did you follow ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:54] <sir-gold> nmap is in the main repo, he shouldn't need universe for that
[10:54] <Burgundavia> sir-gold, there is an annoying bug with ubuntuguide.org
[10:54] <Burgundavia> that sometimes makes people remove there main repo
[10:54] <Burgundavia> s/there/their
[10:54] <sir-gold> oh
[10:54] <Burgundavia> if you are not careful
[10:55] <ik> i just install it from the cd
[10:55] <sir-gold> ik go to settings>repositories
[10:55] <ik> ok
[10:55] <sir-gold> how many of them are checked?
[10:57] <ik> sir-gold is on configuration editor?
[10:58] <sir-gold> configuration editor?
[10:58] <Burgundavia> ik, in system-->admin-->synaptic
[10:58] <ik> ok
[10:59] <ik> only one
[10:59] <ik> dev dc room
[10:59] <sir-gold> check the first 5
[10:59] <ik> ok :)
[10:59] <sir-gold> then hit reload
[11:00] <ik> ok
[11:00] <sir-gold> when its done, search for nmap
[11:01] <ik> oh ok :)
[11:01] <karim> ubuntu live cd is not better than knoppix
[11:01] <karim> I guess it's only to have a preview
[11:01] <sir-gold> the repository window tells synaptic/apt-get where to search and download from
[11:01] <karim> of ubuntu, rather than having something really functional
[11:01] <karim> ?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> karim, they are working to extend it
[11:02] <ik> No manual entry for nmap
[11:03] <dolny> hi ive got a stupid question, how to download
[11:03] <dolny> appropriate kernel source for my kernel?
[11:04] <eyequeue> dolny:  using what? wget?
[11:04] <ik> sir-gold its there but i doesnt work
[11:04] <dolny> yeah, can be wget
[11:04] <dolny> or apt-get
[11:04] <topyli> do cat /proc/version to find out what youre running
[11:04] <dolny> i have to recompile the kernel
[11:05] <dolny> maybe that way fglrx ati card 3d acc will work
[11:05] <eyequeue> dolny:  oh, "my kernel" being a ubuntu package?  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10-whateverhere
[11:05] <topyli> yes
[11:05] <dolny> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Tue Apr 5 12:27:02 UTC 2005
[11:05] <dolny> well eye: the thing is I want to follow this:
[11:05] <eyequeue> dolny:  uname -r to see the full name of it
[11:06] <dolny> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5356
[11:06] <dolny> youll know by this link, check it out
[11:06] <eyequeue> dolny:  apt-get install linux-source-5-686
[11:07] <dolny> hm
[11:07] <dolny> brb
[11:07] <ik> sir-gold now its there :) thankyou
[11:07] <karim> Burgundavia: cool :)
[11:08] <dolny> another stupid question
[11:08] <dolny> i want to kill a process
[11:08] <dolny> with a certain PID
[11:08] <dolny> its apt-get downloading something, i close the console and it continues downloading
[11:08] <nubious> how do you list your PID files?
[11:08] <nubious> err
[11:08] <nubious> pid processes?
[11:08] <nubious> (in shell)
[11:08] <dolny> kde system guard
[11:08] <eyequeue> dolny:  i'm uncertain if the current package in the -restricted repo is the same as the latest from ati ( like with nvidia )
[11:08] <dolny> not in shell
[11:08] <nubious> but how do you do it in shell?
[11:08] <eyequeue> nubious:  ps
[11:08] <nubious> cool
[11:08] <nubious> thx
[11:09] <ik> its posible to change keybord layout?
[11:09] <nubious> o0o0o
[11:09] <nubious> nice
[11:09] <karim> 6
[11:09] <eyequeue> dolny:  kill 12345 (your pid)
[11:09] <dolny> thanks ;)
[11:09] <dolny> eyequeue dolny:  i'm uncertain if the current package in the -restricted repo is the same as the latest from ati ( like with nvidia )
[11:09] <MAGNUM3> ubuntu is the most slow in linux
[11:09] <eyequeue> dolny:  not a stupid question btw (unless you ask it all week, heh)
[11:09] <dolny> well
[11:10] <dolny> ive been trying to install 3d acc for my radeon 9600 for 3 days now
[11:10] <eyequeue> the only way to learn new things is to ask :)
[11:10] <dolny> followed like 4 tutorials
[11:10] <dolny> now ill try to recompile the kernel
[11:10] <MAGNUM3> why everybody like ubuntu
[11:10] <dolny> well it works very fast for me
[11:10] <dolny> i checked mandrake, FC3 before
[11:10] <MAGNUM3> i think gentoo more well than ubuntu
[11:11] <dolny> well i havent tried gentoo, ubuntu is best for newbies i think
[11:11] <linuxboy> MAGNUM3: look at http://funroll-loops.org/
[11:11] <johnnybezak> hey guys just bought an iPod, its loaded up under hoary no worries, only problem is that i dont have write permissions on anything, chown and chmod don't seem to be working. I suppose it's mounting it read only, because it's auto-mounting i don't know how to change that, any help would be good thanks guys
[11:11] <eyequeue> the beauty of linux: you can choose what you personally prefer
[11:11] <MAGNUM3> ha
[11:11] <dolny> eye: yeah ;>
[11:11] <MAGNUM3> all is fuuny people
[11:12] <dolny> dolny@milkshake:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-source-5-686
[11:12] <dolny> Reading package lists... Done
[11:12] <dolny> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:12] <dolny> E: Couldn't find package linux-source-5-686
[11:12] <dolny> ah... ;/
[11:12] <ik> '
[11:12] <Burgundavia> MAGNUM3, #ubuntu is about ubuntu, please stay on topic or leave
[11:12] <MAGNUM3> ubuntu is a rubbish
[11:13] <MAGNUM3> he
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> MAGNUM3: do be quiet
[11:13] <dolny> heh
[11:13] <eyequeue> dolny:  sorry, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[11:13] <MAGNUM3> u shut up
[11:13] <dolny> so idiots also use linux
[11:13] <MAGNUM3> kepochi
[11:13] <dolny> whats the use of coming here
[11:13] <fabbione> MAGNUM3: please behave
[11:13] <dolny> bitching about ubuntu
[11:13] <dolny> if you dont like it
[11:13] <dolny> use another linux
[11:13] <dolny> period.
[11:13] <johnnybezak> don't bite he's just trolling
[11:13] <eyequeue> dolny:  to troll, apparently :(  (please don't feed...)
[11:14] <dolny> :)
[11:14] <johnnybezak> help me with my iPod instead ;)
[11:14] <ik> how can i put a firefox icon on desktop is is posible?
[11:14] <dolny> eye: thank you, downloading the source now
[11:14] <Boohbah> dolny: some people crave attention that is lacking in their lives
[11:14] <dolny> i think youre right
[11:14] <MAGNUM3> peoples use ubuntu linux,all is an idiot
[11:14] <nebo> ik, right click and create launcher
[11:14] <eyequeue> ik:  i would right-click on the desktop, then create a launcher
[11:14] <dolny> :D
[11:14] <dolny> what an idiot :)
[11:14] <ik> ok
[11:14] <rj_> :)
[11:14] <ik> =) thanks
[11:15] <Boohbah> rj_: <blink>
[11:15] <rj_> got tired of not knowing when someone replied to a msg in gaim when it was minmized
[11:15] <nebo> ik, easier is to dragg'ndrop it from the menu
[11:15] <dolny> you guys anybody using kubuntu here? (i know about #kubuntu)
[11:15] <dolny> because i have problems with my jabber client: Psi - it doesnt show up on my taskbar
[11:15] <rj_> brb - testing patch!
[11:16] <dolny> well i think that my taskbar doesnt work at all after upgrading kde-xxx
[11:16] <dolny> nothing stays on my taskbar so when i close my communicator's window i can get back to the app
[11:16] <hor> Can somebody say me where the Xmodmap has to be?!
[11:16] <harsha> can some one tell me how to change the vaule of PATH variable
[11:17] <k31th> j2dope: did it work ?
[11:18] <unf> hello
[11:19] <Taliesin`> (harsha): from the command line, use $PATH = "what you want the paths to be"
[11:19] <ik> nebo ok thankyou =)
[11:19] <Taliesin`> easiest way to do it, if you just want to add a nextra path to $PATH is to do $PATH = "/new/path:$PATH"
[11:19] <ik> ubuntu rulez =)
[11:20] <nubious> dope
[11:20] <nubious> I got my TS server up again on Hoary
[11:20] <harsha> thanx Taliesin
[11:20] <eyequeue> harsha:  in bash: export PATH="${PATH}:/new/dir/here" if you want to append
[11:21] <eyequeue> Taliesin, harsha: no spaces before or after = btw
[11:21] <mischa> anyone know how to get libapache-mod-fastcgi for apache on ubuntu
[11:22] <mischa> can't find it anywhere
[11:22] <ekCo> hmm xmms isn't installing, it says it is but the packages are missing..
[11:22] <mischa> i know it is available under debian...
[11:22] <mischa> i need it for ruby on rails, you should all try that....it is sooo cool :)
[11:23] <Boohbah> mischa: then use the debian repo
[11:23] <thenuke> thenuke@Hero:~$ apt-cache search libapache-mod-fastcgi
[11:23] <thenuke> libapache-mod-fastcgi - FastCGI module for Apache
[11:23] <eyequeue> mischa:  i see many alternatives with 'apt-cache search fastcgi'
[11:23] <thenuke> avalaible from ubuntu repos
[11:23] <Boohbah> oops
[11:23] <eyequeue> mischa: perhaps you need to enable the universe repository?
[11:23] <engie> Is it possible to get my eject button on my cd drive to unmount/eject the cd?
[11:24] <mischa> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[11:24] <mischa> got it :)
[11:24] <mischa> but
[11:24] <eyequeue> engie:  not until; you 'umount' the filesystem on it
[11:24] <unf> there exists a hoary-backports repository (like there was on warty)?
[11:24] <mischa> eyequeue: nothing usable there...only for apache2
[11:24] <Boohbah> hoary-backports.... sounds... dirty...
[11:24] <engie> eyequeue: Is there any app to detect teh eject press on the drive and unmount it?
[11:24] <mischa> Boohbah: ill try that...
[11:24] <mischa> Boohbah:tanx
[11:24] <eyequeue> libapache-mod-fastcgi - FastCGI module for Apache
[11:24] <eyequeue> libapache2-mod-fastcgi - FastCGI module for Apache2
[11:25] <ekCo> anyone know how to get xmms installed?
[11:25] <mischa> eyequeue: please dump all your repos.... so i can see what i miss :)
[11:25] <eyequeue> engie:  to my knowledge, no, you have to use "umount" (not unmount btw)
[11:25] <thenuke> mischa: http://www.ubuntuguide.org check repos from there
[11:25] <ekCo> 64bit ubuntu i might add
[11:25] <unf> so, Boohbah, it doesn't exist?
[11:26] <Boohbah> i don't know
[11:26] <goofrider> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:26] <eyequeue> mischa:  my bad, sorry. Filename: pool/multiverse/liba/libapache-mod-fastcgi/libapache-mod-fastcgi_2.4.2-5_i386.deb
[11:26] <goofrider> there **is*** hary-backports
[11:26] <eyequeue> mischa:  you'll need multiverse, not just universe
[11:27] <eyequeue> harry-backports, harry potter translated to geek-speak :)
[11:27] <goofrider> the backport server is really busy though, so be patient if u get timeouts or 500 Error
[11:28] <Boohbah> harry-backports, sounds like goatse to me
[11:28] <mischa> thenuke: ok thanx that worked :)
[11:28] <mischa> eyequeue: got it.
[11:28] <eyequeue> Boohbah:  ahhhhh, *now* i get the joke from before
[11:28] <mischa> eyequeue: it works tanx
[11:28] <nevyn> goofrider: wouldn't that be there ARE hoary backports
[11:28] <eyequeue> mischa:  great
[11:28] <nevyn> being plural
[11:29] <nevyn> and for something specific there is a backport being singular.
[11:29] <ekCo> anyone know how to get xmms installed on ubuntu 64bit?
[11:29] <goofrider> "hoary-backports" repository
[11:29] <goofrider> singular
[11:29] <goofrider> there's only ONE repo
[11:29] <goofrider> :-P
[11:29] <nevyn> there is a hoary backports repository.
[11:29] <nevyn> but there are backports availible for hoary
[11:30] <Fator_Dee> hello \o
[11:30] <eyequeue> is there anything in hoary-updates yet btw?
[11:30] <Nermal> yah
[11:30] <goofrider> ubuntu-clendar
[11:30] <goofrider> calendar
[11:30] <goofrider> LMAO
[11:30] <eyequeue> ah
[11:31] <goofrider> there are a bunch of stuff in hoary-security though, namely apache2 and openoffice.org updates
[11:32] <eyequeue> april was the latest i could find, and it's may, at least here :)
[11:32] <drfanatic> hallo... spricht jemand deutsch?
[11:32] <eyequeue> drfanatic:   #ubuntu-de       42      Freundlicher deutscher ubuntuchannel | Hilfe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/ http://www.ubuntu-forum.de | http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2000465
[11:33] <eyequeue> drfanatic:  /join #ubuntu-de
[11:33] <eyequeue> (if i guessed correctly at the translation, i don't speak german)
[11:34] <drfanatic> thx!
[11:34] <eyequeue> de nada ;)
[11:34] <drfanatic> ;)
[11:35] <transgress> okay anyone in here using kde?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> transgress, you might try #kubuntu
[11:35] <goofrider>  /j #kde
[11:35] <transgress> Burgundavia: i did
[11:35] <Burgundavia> transgress, we are gnome users here
[11:35] <transgress> goofrider: i am in there...
[11:35] <transgress> Burgundavia: not all of us...
[11:36] <goofrider> well maybe u should just ask the question  :)
[11:36] <transgress> bleh...  guess i'll have to do this the overcomplicated way of reading stuff
[11:36] <Riddell> transgress: yes
[11:36] <transgress> i'm trying to get translucency working in kde, but it bitched about adding a line to my xorg.conf... that just doesn't let kdm start (but it doesn't complain either)
[11:36] <transgress> and i'm wondering if anyone has it working and what they did
[11:37] <nubious_> ok so irssi works again
[11:37] <nubious_> woo
[11:37] <nubious> yay
[11:37] <nubious> I love ubuntu
[11:37] <nubious> and it loves me.
[11:37] <transgress> no you don't
[11:37] <nubious> yes
[11:37] <transgress> you have it
[11:37] <nubious> yes I do
[11:37] <goofrider> I think there was a thread on ubuntuforums about adding transparency to Xorg
[11:37] <transgress> err hate
[11:37] <nubious> <3
[11:37] <transgress> bleh
[11:37] <nubious> I do have it
[11:37] <nubious> and I can learn to hate it
[11:37] <transgress> i guess ima have to hop back into X... i was trying to avoid that
[11:37] <nubious> that should balance the love I have for it
[11:37] <nubious> :D
[11:38] <nubious> meh
[11:38] <transgress> brb
[11:38] <eyequeue> transgress:  like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25019.html
[11:38] <nubious> so what would you guys recommend as a remote desktop utility to get into Gnome from my windows machine?
[11:38] <nubious> I've heard VNC works quite good...
[11:38] <Nermal> so use vnc
[11:38] <goofrider> just use plain old X11 if you're doing remote desktop over LAN
[11:38] <nubious> is there anything better?
[11:38] <eyequeue> nubious:  yes, and there should be a vnc app even for ms
[11:38] <Nermal> or ssh -X
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> nubious: freenx
[11:38] <nubious> ssh -x?
[11:39] <Nermal> -X
[11:39] <goofrider> VNC is slooooooooooooooooow (because it sends the screen as JPEG bitmaps)
[11:39] <Nermal> yeah.. forward x11 over ssh
[11:39] <nubious> hmm
[11:39] <Nermal> Jpeg bitmaps ?
[11:39] <nubious> and whats x11 exactly?
[11:39] <Nermal> the x window system
[11:39] <Nermal> the graphical subsystem on most linux distros
[11:39] <Nermal> what gnome runs on
[11:39] <nubious> goofrider: that shouldn't be a problem on my network tho.. it's just two machines behind a 100 mbit router
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> freenx is like ssh -X only better
[11:39] <nubious> right right ok..  but would that load gnome?
[11:39] <Nermal> no :|
[11:39] <nubious> or just the xwindows system?
[11:39] <nubious> hmm
[11:40] <nubious> see I'd like to use gnome.
[11:40] <goofrider> to use X on windows, use Xming or CygwinX or X/Deep32
[11:40] <Nermal> you would log into the the machine with ssh -X and any x app you run would appear on your screen
[11:40] <eyequeue> nubious:  without the -X, you'll likely only get commandline access (unless you tweaked configs)
[11:40] <Nermal> you could always run gnome-session when you log in
[11:40] <nubious> I dont run from the ubuntu machien tho
[11:40] <Nermal> but I'm thinking vnc maybe the best way
[11:40] <goofrider> or u can just use XDMCP and login via GDM
[11:40] <nubious> hmm
[11:40] <Nermal> aye.. that would work
[11:41] <nubious> vncis prolly the easiest
[11:41] <nubious> bah you guys are all talkin in acronyms
[11:41] <goofrider> VNC is easiest
[11:41] <mrw> Isn't there something like gvim for vim with guis?  just vim but adds mouse support, etc?  I thought there was but I'm not finding it ;(
[11:41] <eyequeue> Nermal:  vnc is probably what you want, and you can even tunnel it via ssh, if you like, heh (google for a HOWTO on that, if interested)
[11:41] <nubious> is it free?  (the linux vnc)
[11:42] <mrw> nubious, yea
[11:42] <ermanox> anyone know how to change the font in bash console (command line)
[11:42] <eyequeue> mrw:  sudo apt-get install vim-gnome
[11:42] <goofrider> X Window has a lot of different components. It's hard to explain to someone who's not ready or doesn't have the patient
[11:42] <mrw> eyequeue, I did but something must have gone wrong or something
[11:42] <nubious> well I've seen X in use before...
[11:42] <nubious> long time ago
[11:42] <nubious> I like the gnome ui tho
[11:42] <nubious> I jsut got my hoary installation working
[11:42] <nubious> so
[11:42] <nubious> I wanna play with it
[11:42] <goofrider> Nubious: You're looking @ X right now
[11:42] <nubious> uhhh
[11:42] <eyequeue> mrw: dpkg -l vim-gnome, see if it starts with "ii "
[11:43] <nubious> no I'm not
[11:43] <goofrider> X uns locally as well as remotelt
[11:43] <nubious> I'm looking at windows
[11:43] <nubious> Microsluff Windows xp
[11:43] <goofrider> nub: oh LOL
[11:43] <nubious> :D
[11:43] <nubious> I ssh in from my windows machine for all my configing
[11:43] <mrw> eyequeue, yeah starts with ii
[11:43] <nubious> thats why I wanna setup VNC
[11:43] <eyequeue> vim-gnome: /usr/bin/gvim
[11:43] <goofrider> I personally use remote X from my Windows box
[11:44] <nubious> hmm
[11:44] <nubious> you find that the best?
[11:44] <Nermal> ermanox, setfont ?
[11:44] <Nermal> setfont sc was fun
[11:44] <goofrider> atried VN (too slow) and FreeNX (it's basically X over SSH, don't see the point of it)
[11:44] <ermanox> oh
[11:44] <goofrider> ***tried VNC*** (too close)
[11:44] <k31th> yo
[11:45] <ermanox> and the setfont is in my .bashrc file?
[11:46] <mrw> ermanox, if you are messing with it in X, then I know you can just change your profile and mess around there.  Don't know what you do if you are changing it for the terminal outside of X, though
[11:47] <nubious> hmm
[11:47] <nubious> I went to grab VNC but it says it's got server packages for redhat
[11:47] <nubious> will that work on ubuntu?
[11:47] <Nermal> redhat being rpm based ...
[11:47] <nubious> right
[11:47] <ermanox> I got bord with X and an ruffing it on the command line for a change
[11:47] <eyequeue> ermanox:  i'd recommend trying the setfont manually before adding it to the .bashrc, in case it breaks readability or somehting
[11:47] <mrw> nubious, use synaptic or apt-get
[11:47] <nubious> ahh
[11:47] <nubious> ok
[11:47] <nubious> sec
[11:48] <Nermal> nubious, apt-get install vncserver ?
[11:48] <goofrider> nubious: VNC came installed with ubunutu
[11:48] <Nermal> vnc-common does
[11:48] <nubious> oh yeah?
[11:48] <nubious> came installed?
[11:48] <Nermal> not the server
[11:48] <nubious> ahh
[11:48] <nubious> server
[11:48] <nubious> one sec
[11:48] <eyequeue> nubious:  apt-cache search vnc | less
[11:48] <Nermal> nubious, you may find aptitude search vnc helpful
[11:48] <goofrider> Preference -> remote Deskto
[11:48] <Nermal> goofrider, thats the viewer no ?
[11:48] <goofrider> Preference -> remote Desktop
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> it's installed but not enabled by default
[11:48] <goofrider> that's the server
[11:49] <Nermal> hmm
[11:49] <nubious> vino
[11:49] <goofrider> that's where u enable it
[11:49] <nubious> here we go
[11:49] <nubious> vnc server for gnome
[11:49] <nubious> sweet
[11:49] <Nermal> server isn't installed by default here
[11:49] <goofrider> oh
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> :-o
[11:49] <goofrider> It's installed on mine
[11:49] <nubious> hah
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> mine too
[11:49] <nubious> apparently it's isntalled
[11:49] <nubious> weee
[11:49] <nubious> lemme hop over to the 2 color tube monitor and attempt to set it up
[11:50] <lampshade> 502 peeps in here?  wow I remember when it had like 20
[11:50] <hor> Anybody here who uses the new program initng?
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> we are multiplying rapidly, soon we'll conquer the whole planet
[11:51] <lampshade> 273 more people and we take #debian!!!
[11:51] <nub_brb> hmm
[11:51] <nub_brb> where'd you guys find it?
[11:51] <nub_brb> (vino)
[11:51] <eyequeue> curious, is there a disadvantage of vnc4server compared to vncserver?  backward compatibility absent?
[11:51] <goofrider> find what?
[11:52] <nub_brb> find the config to setup the vnc server
[11:52] <Burgundavia> hor, somebody posted some boot time stuff to the list
[11:52] <goofrider> I'd choose tightvinc
[11:52] <Burgundavia> hor, -devel list
[11:52] <goofrider> I'd choose tightvnc
[11:52] <goofrider> /etc/vnc.conf maybe???
[11:53] <hor> Burgundavia: ok, thank you, i'll watch for it :)
[11:53] <Raptoid> i'm lost root password ubuntu
[11:53] <eyequeue> btw, i don't have any vnc server installed on a fresh hoary install (after the box came back from the factory)
[11:53] <Burgundavia> hor, check the archives
[11:53] <Raptoid> what do u want
[11:53] <eyequeue> Raptoid:  no, ubuntu doens't enable a root
[11:53] <Burgundavia> hor, this was not something that is probably going to be in breezy
[11:53] <Burgundavia> hor, too new
[11:53] <k31th> woahyou know your a g33k when  =
[11:54] <k31th> Irssi uptime: 63d 22h 29m 14s
[11:54] <sir-gold> only 2 months?
[11:54] <eyequeue> Raptoid:  see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:54] <nub_brb> oh my god
[11:54] <nub_brb> there's no way it was THAT easy
[11:55] <nub_brb> one sec
[11:55] <Raptoid> eyequeue, ok thnks..
[11:55] <eyequeue> Raptoid:  np
[11:55] <lampshade> k31th, NICE
[11:55] <jacobe> hey guys, how do i update the gcc to 3.x in ubuntu?
[11:55] <k31th> lampshade: thanks :D
[11:55] <jacobe> im used to fedora/new to linux
[11:55] <sir-gold> jacobe, did you install hoary?
[11:55] <k31th> lampshade: this box is in the telhouse :D
[11:56] <jacobe> i dunno?
[11:56] <jacobe> no
[11:56] <Burgundavia> jacobe, 2 menus or 3?
[11:56] <eyequeue> jacobe:  for example, sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3
[11:56] <jacobe> i dunno im just trying to compile mplayer and it doesnt like my comiler
[11:56] <jacobe> ok cool that sounds right
[11:56] <Burgundavia> jacobe, you don't really need to compile mplayer
[11:57] <nubious> OH MY GOD
[11:57] <Burgundavia> there are repos available with working mplayers
[11:57] <goofrider> maybe u should just download mplayer from Universe or Marillat
[11:57] <eyequeue> jacobe:  be advised that will likely pull in some extra packages
[11:57] <nubious> I'm extremely impressed
[11:57] <lampshade> nubious, GO FOR IT  I did,  actually I switched to this after I tried some others
[11:57] <Burgundavia> jacobe, package repositories
[11:57] <nubious> I'm soooo impressed
[11:57] <jacobe> like rpms?
[11:58] <Burgundavia> jacobe, sort of
[11:58] <lampshade> jacobe, kind of
[11:58] <ubuntu> hi all
[11:58] <goofrider> Debian/Ubuntu has it's own way of dealing with packages, it's probably not advicable for a newcomer to compile from source, u might stomp over the system
[11:58] <Burgundavia> like freshrpms
[11:58] <Burgundavia> but integrated
[11:58] <ubuntu> I am in the livecd now
[11:58] <ubuntu> how can I become root
[11:58] <p88> ?
[11:58] <nubious> check this out --> http://usera.imagecave.com/nubious/rightnow.JPG
[11:58] <eyequeue> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:58] <goofrider> jacab: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:58] <jacobe> thanks a lot guys
[11:58] <Kamping_in_doze> p88 sudo -s
[11:58] <p88> ah right
[11:58] <p88> :)
[11:58] <p88> didn't think of that
[11:58] <nubious> I love it
[11:58] <nubious> I really really love it
[11:59] <p88> thanks
[11:59] <Kamping_in_doze> lol. nubious. at jpg ;)
[11:59] <nubious> :D
[11:59] <nubious> dual monitors pwn
[12:00] <nubious> anyone here play with teamspeak ever?
[12:00] <goofrider> what is it?
[12:00] <nubious> www.goteamspeak.com
[12:00] <willis> anyone running breezy, and installed beagle or linux-image-2.6.12 from repositories?
[12:00] <nubious> cheggitout
[12:01] <sir-gold> nubious you should check out ultramon
[12:01] <nubious> ultramon?
[12:01] <nubious> in ubuntu?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> willis, i suspect that beagle needs some deps before it hits the repos
[12:01] <sir-gold> it adds a bunch of multi-monitor stuff
[12:01] <sir-gold> no, its for windows
[12:01] <goofrider> I thought Beagle needs a kernel patch
[12:01] <willis> Burgundavia, i saw it on the beagle upstream, but i can only find it in the breezy_universe_sources list
[12:01] <sir-gold> like seperate wallpaper and screensavers for each monitor
[12:01] <nubious> ahh
[12:01] <nubious> what kinda neat stuff?
[12:01] <sir-gold> a monitor specific task bar
[12:01] <willis> goofrider, well linux-image-2.6.12 was added to
[12:02] <nubious> hrm
[12:02] <nubious> thats kinda cool
[12:02] <Burgundavia> willis, it has built, but not in the repos, I don't know why
[12:02] <nubious> I can do seperate wallpaper nstuff with my nvidia drivers
[12:02] <sir-gold> the ability to move a maximized app to the other screen
[12:02] <nubious> yeah
[12:02] <willis> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004331.html
[12:02] <nubious> I can do all that with the nforce drivers
[12:02] <nubious> they're kinda bleh tho
[12:02] <willis> hmm, yeah i was confused, because i thought it would take a few hours for it to build and then be added as a binary package
[12:02] <nubious> can VNC pipe sound thru the network too?
[12:03] <goofrider> what's the point of Teamspeak? Skype is free (as in beer)
[12:03] <goofrider> and they have a DEB package
[12:03] <Burgundavia> willis, it has built correctly
[12:03] <nubious> teamspeak is free as well
[12:03] <sir-gold> nubious i don't think so
[12:03] <Burgundavia> willis, it just isn't there yet
[12:03] <Burgundavia> willis, I would wait, the mono stuff is being built right now
[12:03] <nubious> the reason it's better than skype is you can have multiple rooms and stuff - so like..  rather than you call someone, you join a chat channel and you speak with everyone in that channel
[12:03] <nubious> skype is great for phone calls
[12:03] <sir-gold> terminal services can send sound, but that doesn't really apply here
[12:03] <nubious> teamspeak is just better for gaming
[12:04] <nubious> so does VNC pipe this via a term session?
[12:04] <nubious> I would guess I suppose
[12:04] <willis> Burgundavia, ah ok, for some reason, lot's of the things i noticed coming in on the breezy-changes list, aren't  reflected in aptitude, ( i'm just a sucker for the new stuff )
[12:04] <Burgundavia> willis, that means the source has been accepted
[12:04] <sir-gold> vnc just copies the video, and allows mouse and keyboard actions to be sent
[12:04] <Burgundavia> willis, it may not even build
[12:05] <Burgundavia> willis, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[12:05] <sir-gold> it doesn't do anthing with terminal sessions
[12:05] <goofrider> but u can continue to login via SSH in a separate window on your Windows desktop
[12:06] <willis> Burgundavia, ok hmm, thanks
[12:06] <Burgundavia> willis, there are a lot of major changes happening right now
[12:06] <willis> Burgundavia, yeah so a lot of things are getting built but a lot are failing as well
[12:06] <Burgundavia> willis, expect breakage and don't bug the dev team about packages not showing up
[12:06] <Burgundavia> willis, the date by which you should start asking is around late Sept.
[12:07] <clausme> hello
[12:07] <clausme> does anyone know
[12:07] <willis> Burgundavia, i guess before when i was watching hoary-changes, most of the builds were succesful, so the packages would end up as binaries in an hour or so, but because of the volitale nature of breezy many of these builds won't go through right away
[12:07] <goofrider> LOL @ Bur
[12:07] <clausme> how to make the sount 5.1 in ubuntu
[12:07] <Burgundavia> willis, change over to gcc 4.0 is a big one
[12:07] <Burgundavia> willis, and the general sync to sid
[12:07] <willis> Burgundavia, yeah i know
[12:07] <Burgundavia> clausme, what do you mean?
[12:07] <sir-gold> from what i have read, gcc 4 is slower
[12:08] <Burgundavia> slower now, but faster in the end
[12:08] <goofrider> Burg: the switch to Xorg was a big one too
[12:08] <eyequeue> sir-gold:  slower to build things, or the resultant binaries run slower?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> that was hoary
[12:08] <sir-gold> both
[12:08] <Burgundavia> gcc is bigger
[12:08] <goofrider> **was**
[12:08] <goofrider> true... GCC affects just about everything
[12:09] <freewoody> How do I install Qmail in Ubuntu
[12:09] <Burgundavia> and debian is not using 4.0
[12:09] <sir-gold> the same app, compiled in gcc 4 took longer to compile and ran slower than in gcc 3
[12:09] <Burgundavia> python 2.4 was also big
[12:09] <willis> Burgundavia, i just found beagle in the build log, built succesfuly
[12:09] <nubious> I JUST bought a book on C++ compiling
[12:09] <goofrider> it's way too early to install breezy if u'r not a developer.
[12:09] <nubious> err
[12:09] <nubious> about C++ in general
[12:09] <Burgundavia> willis, but it isn't there, I have no idea why
[12:09] <nubious> a beginners guide..  I used to code VB n stuff back in highschool, but I wanna get back into
[12:09] <willis> Burgundavia, ok, well thanks anyway
[12:10] <nubious> here's my question though: if I compile something on linux, can I move it to my win machien via winscp and run it if it was designed for windows?
[12:10] <goofrider> Nubios: Start with Python and Mono
[12:10] <nubious> like - do all my coding on my nix machine and do my testing on windows?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> nubious, if you are looking to learn a language, I would go high-level, c# or python
[12:10] <Burgundavia> nubious, not relaly
[12:10] <nevyn> nubious: no.
[12:10] <nubious> hmmm
[12:10] <sir-gold> nubious, you have to compile it under windows
[12:10] <nevyn> python you can sortof tho.
[12:10] <sir-gold> there is a gcc for windows
[12:10] <nubious> that makes cents
[12:10] <nubious> sense?
[12:10] <nubious> sense.
[12:10] <nubious> well I might just drop dollars on visual C
[12:10] <nubious> erm
[12:10] <nubious> yeah
[12:10] <goofrider> If u use C# + GTK#, it might work
[12:11] <nubious> why C#?
[12:11] <nubious> whats better about it?
[12:11] <sir-gold> ms visual c can't compile linux apps
[12:11] <Burgundavia> or python and pygtk
[12:11] <goofrider> there's a GTK# compile for Windows
[12:11] <nubious> why all the sharp stuff now?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> that is also cross plaform
[12:11] <nubious> what was wrong with C++? :)
[12:11] <nubious> I hear c# is slower
[12:11] <Burgundavia> nubious, c# is almost java
[12:11] <nubious> hmm
[12:11] <nubious> see I dont know Java
[12:11] <goofrider> C++ is unmanaged
[12:11] <nubious> I'd like to just get into general coding tho
[12:11] <kernelvn> I install in expert mode
[12:11] <Burgundavia> the higher level language you write, the easy it is
[12:12] <nubious> right
[12:12] <goofrider> C# is like Java, statically typed, garage collected
[12:12] <nubious> I dont want easy
[12:12] <kernelvn> and the user I add did not has the sudo
[12:12] <nubious> I want proper coding
[12:12] <nubious> like
[12:12] <nubious> ground up
[12:12] <nubious> memory management and everything
[12:12] <nubious> none of this 3rd party program showing me how to code bollox
[12:12] <goofrider> Assmbly?
[12:12] <nubious> hahaha
[12:12] <nubious> that's too low level
[12:12] <kernelvn> how to make it sudo able ?
[12:12] <nubious> I've tried
[12:12] <nubious> it's a headache
[12:12] <Burgundavia> nubious, honestly, life is too short to code in c or c++
[12:12] <goofrider> no kidding
[12:12] <nubious> hmmm
[12:12] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, add your user to the admin group
[12:12] <nubious> Burgundavia: you make a good point...
[12:13] <nubious> so c# hey?
[12:13] <nubious> hmmm
[12:13] <kernelvn> how ? burgundavia ?
[12:13] <Burgundavia> python makes it far easier to get started
[12:13] <kernelvn> as ID = 1 ?
[12:13] <nubious> python can be obtained where?
[12:13] <Boohbah> Burgundavia: yeah, C really sucks, like linux and GNU ane all that
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, did you set a root password?
[12:13] <goofrider> It's very common to rewrite modules in C/C++ if u needed the native interface or speed
[12:13] <Burgundavia> Boohbah, all have there place
[12:13] <kernelvn> yes
[12:13] <kernelvn> I have to use the nomal teminal and then su root
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, login as root, add your user to the sudo and then disable the root account
[12:13] <goofrider> but most ppl avoid C/C++ when they can nowadays
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[12:13] <cyphase> nubious, python is preinstalled in Ubuntu
[12:14] <kernelvn> how to add user o the sudo ?
[12:14] <nubious> see that's the problem with coding noadays
[12:14] <nubious> have you guy ever played ANY EA game?
[12:14] <kernelvn> thank :)
[12:14] <nubious> anything like NHLPA or NBA2k3 or whatever?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> EA is generally crap
[12:14] <nubious> coding has gotten SO sloppy these days
[12:14] <goofrider> well game programming is a whole different ballpacrk
[12:14] <nubious> Burgundavia: thats my point - they use higher level languages because they dont have the skill
[12:14] <nubious> well thats the thing
[12:14] <kernelvn> so how to gain IP address with DHCP with ifconfig ?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> actually C and C++ are much more likely to have security issues
[12:14] <sir-gold> nubious: no, but i have seen a nfk 2kX addict, its not a pretty sight
[12:14] <Burgundavia> nubious, and what you just said is flat out wrong
[12:15] <nubious> Burgundavia: which?
[12:15] <sir-gold> nfl
[12:15] <nubious> about skill?
[12:15] <redbull> ?
[12:15] <Burgundavia> nubious, yes
[12:15] <nubious> pardon..  that WAS an arrogant statement
[12:15] <nubious> BUT
[12:15] <kernelvn> I use ifconfig and when I reboot , the IP is gone
[12:15] <Burgundavia> nubious, skill has nothing to do with the language you write
[12:15] <nubious> I see a lot of programs these days that run like crap
[12:15] <cyphase> game programming pushes the limits of programming
[12:15] <kernelvn> how to keep it last ?
[12:15] <nubious> I mean
[12:15] <goofrider> That's because they're crappy programmers
[12:15] <nubious> I've seen a doom replica in 64 kilbytes
[12:15] <redbull> could anyone tell me how do I intstall a dc++ program on ubuntu linux?
[12:16] <goofrider> maybe they write crappy code,m, or maybe they pick the wrong tool
[12:16] <nubious> doom itself was what?  3 disks?
[12:16] <goofrider> Footprint !+ good code
[12:16] <nubious> so thats at LEAST 4 megs(ish)
[12:16] <goofrider> !=
[12:16] <kernelvn> any help ?
[12:16] <nubious> so I mean
[12:16] <nubious> if you can replicate that
[12:16] <Burgundavia> nubious, you are confusing too issues here
[12:16] <dolny> please help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=166030#post166030
[12:16] <nubious> well
[12:16] <dolny> i described the problem there
[12:16] <nubious> I'm confused
[12:16] <nubious> myself
[12:16] <nubious> so
[12:16] <Burgundavia> nubious, crappy code is due to people being paid too little for work they hate
[12:16] <dolny> dont flood nubious :)
[12:16] <mpq> is there a better image viewer for gnome?
[12:17] <dolny> Burgundavia please check: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=166030#post166030
[12:17] <dolny> thanks ;)
[12:17] <goofrider> mpq: F-Spotmayver?
[12:17] <mpq> eye of gnome isn't very good
[12:17] <goofrider> F-spot maybe??
[12:17] <mpq> goofrider: never heard of it
[12:17] <goofrider> apt-get it and try it  :)
[12:18] <Burgundavia> dolny, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:18] <Burgundavia> dolny, everything you need is there
[12:18] <dolny> no
[12:18] <nubious> how can I see what apt-get packages are available thru my shell?
[12:18] <dolny> because i want to delete that file
[12:18] <dolny> and diverse thing
[12:18] <dolny> and i cant because of diverse
[12:18] <rj_> How do i delete the gnome keyring? or atleast manager it?
[12:19] <Burgundavia> dolny, I have never seen that error
[12:19] <rj_> Whenever i boot up i hafta enter my password twice to unlock to keyring so nautilus can access my desktop
[12:19] <goofrider> apt-cache --help
[12:19] <Burgundavia> nubious, aptitude
[12:19] <nubious> k
[12:20] <rj_> hrm /me installs gnome-keyring-manager
[12:20] <nubious> ahh here's a question
[12:20] <nubious> I installed tcsh from aptitude
[12:20] <nubious> and I ran it, but my ls command doesn't display color unless I use the --color=always switch
[12:20] <nubious> is there a way I can set it up to ALWAYS do it?
[12:20] <nubious> I assumed by using --color=always it would like flip the on switch on or something
[12:20] <nubious> apparently my assumptions were just that - assumptions
[12:21] <k31th> yo
[12:21] <k31th> im having an issue
[12:21] <nubious> we're ALL having issues keith...
[12:21] <nubious> :)
[12:21] <snader> :P
[12:21] <k31th> I have system sounds
[12:21] <nubious> whats up?
[12:21] <Burgundavia> nubious, it must have a .conf switch
[12:21] <Burgundavia> s/switch/file
[12:21] <clausme> hello
[12:21] <goofrider> nub: check your .bashrc, .bashprofile, and all the other suspicious locations
[12:22] <clausme> where do i find ncurses library
[12:22] <k31th> but when i load mplayer (i compiled from source) says has probs opening /dev/dsp
[12:22] <nubious> I'll check it out
[12:22] <goofrider> just put ls --color in a non-BASH specific profile file
[12:22] <Burgundavia> k31th, change to use the esd backend
[12:22] <k31th> ?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> k31th, and why did you compile from source?
[12:22] <k31th> Burgundavia: how i do that
[12:22] <Burgundavia> k31th, there is a working copy of mplayer in the multiverse repo
[12:22] <k31th> Burgundavia: it was not in apt-get
[12:23] <Burgundavia> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:23] <nubious> goofrider: if I knew how to do that, I would..  thing is.. I've only been really using linux like a week
[12:23] <goofrider> #man bsh
[12:23] <clausme> ncurses library how do i find it and install it
[12:23] <clausme> ?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> see the bit about multiverse
[12:23] <goofrider> #man bash
[12:23] <k31th> Burgundavia:
[12:23] <goofrider> and scroll to the bottom, there's a list of conf and profile locations
[12:23] <k31th> ill remove the compiled version then
[12:23] <Raptoid> no root why ?
[12:23] <clausme> ncurses library how do i find it and install it
[12:23] <clausme> ?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> Raptoid, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo for reasons
[12:23] <Raptoid> ok
[12:24] <clausme> hello
[12:24] <clausme> answer pls
[12:24] <clausme> ncurses library how do i find it and install it
[12:24] <clausme> answer pls
[12:24] <clausme> ?
[12:24] <goofrider> Ncures is intsalled by default
[12:24] <Hans_de_Zwart> I have just installed ubuntu for the first time and looks really good!
[12:24] <nubious> so by default, the shell I'm using (/bin/sh) is BASH, right?
[12:24] <nubious> Hans_de_Zwart: Warty or Hoary?
[12:24] <goofrider> Nub: /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash
[12:24] <nubious> ahh ok
[12:24] <clausme> [*]  Creating Menu, please wait.
[12:24] <clausme> This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead.
[12:24] <clausme> is not
[12:24] <clausme> look
[12:25] <k31th> Burgundavia: how do i remove it if i compiled from source ?
[12:25] <k31th> i did a make clean in its dir
[12:25] <k31th> but its still there...
[12:25] <Burgundavia> k31th, no idea, I never compile from source outside of my pbuilder
[12:25] <Hans_de_Zwart> nubious: hoary
[12:26] <nubious> Hans_de_Zwart: nice.. I just got mine running today as well
[12:26] <eyequeue> clausme:  if you are trying to compile against curses, sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[12:26] <nubious> j00 l1ke whuchu see?
[12:26] <clausme> k
[12:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> I cannot get the network working. I have three network devices: the modem, etho: wireless and eth1 realtek network card.
[12:26] <jono_> I want to create an icon on my desktop to run a root program, I tried: 'gksudo /opt/lampp/lampp start' and it won't pass the start argument to the program - is there a way around this?
[12:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> When I activate the last one, It gets deactivated after a little while
[12:27] <clausme> Package libncurses5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:27] <clausme> is only available from another source
[12:27] <clausme> E: Package libncurses5-dev has no installation candidate
[12:27] <clausme> eyequeue now what
[12:27] <goofrider> k31th: it's generally a bad idea to compile and install from source. U should consult the Debian Reference
[12:27] <clausme> is n ot workingf
[12:27] <Nermal> clausme, got universe etc in your sources.list ?
[12:27] <jono_> I want to create an icon on my desktop to run a root program, I tried: 'gksudo /opt/lampp/lampp start' and it won't pass the start argument to the program - is there a way around this?
[12:27] <clausme> yes
[12:27] <Upayavir1> A short while ago, I upgraded from Debian Sarge to Ubuntu Hoary. Using free, Debian reported me correctly as having 2Gb of RAM. Ubuntu reports 900Mb. What could be wrong, and where could I go to get my memory back!?
[12:27] <goofrider> the proper way to compile mplayer is download the source DEB, and compile and make your own DEB
[12:27] <jono_> oops sorry
[12:27] <jono_> for the repeat
[12:28] <k31th> goofrider: yeah :S
[12:28] <Nermal> Upayavir1, install linux-586
[12:28] <Nermal> to switch to a 586 kernel with himem support
[12:28] <Upayavir1> Nermal: that easy? :-)
[12:28] <Nermal> Upayavir1, yah :)
[12:28] <Nermal> oops
[12:28] <ekCo> how do i uninstall realplayer? installed to wrong path ><!
[12:28] <Nermal> I mean install linux-686
[12:28] <Nermal> I think
[12:28] <eyequeue> libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses
[12:28] <goofrider> ekco: how did u install it?
[12:29] <eyequeue> clausme:  ^^ it's in main, it should find it
[12:29] <k31th> guess ill locate every mplayer file and del it
[12:29] <Nermal> that should install linux kernel and modules
[12:29] <ekCo> goofrider, wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/realplay-<IP_ADDRESS>0-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[12:29] <ekCo> chmod +x realplay-<IP_ADDRESS>0-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[12:29] <ekCo> sudo ./realplay-<IP_ADDRESS>0-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[12:30] <ekCo> also how do you install xmms on a 64bit ubuntu setup??
[12:30] <Nermal> there should be an uninstall script in the dir you installed it to
[12:30] <Zambba> Hello!
[12:30] <goofrider> well u can just delete the direcotry where  Realplayer was installed to
[12:30] <goofrider> I think it installed to /opt/real?????/ by default?
[12:30] <Nermal> lo Zambba
[12:30] <Zambba> Do I have chance to run Ubuntu on my P200, 32 Mt, 2 Gt hdd, Trident TriImage box?
[12:30] <Nermal> /opt/Real* it would seem
[12:31] <Nermal> Zambba, the installer won't like that little ram :|
[12:31] <Raptoid> what is windows partition link for ubuntu desktop ?
[12:31] <ekCo> nah it installed to games/realplayer ...
[12:31] <ekCo> really weird.. but anyways
[12:31] <Upayavir1> Nermal: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686. Does that sound right? Running on a Centrino notebook.
[12:31] <Nermal> Raptoid, ?
[12:31] <goofrider> ekCO: there's a realplayer package on Ubuntu Backports, might be a better package cuz it may conform to Debian/Ubuntu's file system better
[12:31] <Nermal> Upayavir1, yes.. but just doing apt-get install linux-686 will get you the kernel and the modules / and the restricted modules
[12:31] <Raptoid> what windows partition linking ubuntu
[12:31] <Nermal> its like a wrapper package
[12:31] <Raptoid> sorry litle speak english
[12:31] <Upayavir1> Nermal: fab
[12:32] <Nermal> Upayavir1, you can then do apt-get uninstall linux-386 if you want
[12:32] <Nermal> remove even
[12:32] <Upayavir1> k
[12:32] <ekCo> hmm good where can i grab this?
[12:32] <Upayavir1> after rebooting :-)
[12:32] <Nermal> Raptoid, /windows/C ?
[12:32] <ekCo> how do you get xmms installed on a 64bit system aswell.. this is annoying as ><!
[12:32] <goofrider> also if u apt-get install linux-686, it'll upgrade to the latest version of kernel next time you do an upgrade
[12:32] <Nermal> Upayavir1, bah.. you wimp ;)
[12:32] <Nermal> goofrider, indeed :)
[12:33] <goofrider> linx-686 tracks the latest release of kernel + friends
[12:34] <goofrider> u know.... I can't type for shit
[12:34] <ekCo> when installing xmms i get this problem..
[12:34] <ekCo> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:34] <ekCo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:34] <ekCo> is only available from another source
[12:34] <ekCo> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[12:34] <goofrider> ekco: do u have universe and multiverse enabled?
[12:34] <Zambba> How much does the Ubuntu installer need ram?
[12:34] <Nermal> about 64 mb
[12:35] <ekCo> universe yes.. but not multi...
[12:35] <Nermal> the installer seems to insist on formatting the swap space during install
[12:35] <Nermal> meaning it wipes out half the install process if you have to use swap during install
[12:35] <goofrider> well.... XMMS is in main anyways
[12:35] <Zambba> Can I use all Debian package mirrors with Ubuntu's apt ?
[12:35] <mvirkkil> Has anyone had odd harddrive stalling problems?
[12:35] <Nermal> Zambba, you can.. but they may break things
[12:35] <ekCo> rm -rf to delete things work in ubuntu?
[12:35] <Amaranth> Zambba: If you want to seriously break things, sure.
[12:35] <Nermal> ekCo, naturally :)
[12:35] <Amaranth> ekCo: Of course.
[12:36] <liable> Zambba: definetley not recommended
[12:36] <goofrider> Zambba: Techincally yes, but u shouldn't do that unless u know what u'r doing
[12:36] <Nermal> ekCo, tried beep-media-player ?
[12:36] <Zambba> How many package mirrors are usable with Ubuntu?
[12:36] <Nermal> ekCo, gtk2 port of xmms :)
[12:36] <mvirkkil> Like doing 'ls' is causing stuff like 'pio timeout' 'dma write failed' etc?
[12:36] <ekCo> nope
[12:36] <goofrider> Zambba: if u have to ask, dont
[12:36] <Nermal> it's nice..
[12:36] <ekCo> is it apt-get plausible?
[12:36] <Nermal> yah
[12:36] <Nermal> though I'm not sure for 64 bit
[12:37] <ekCo> dl;'ing
[12:37] <ekCo> soon will find out eh
[12:37] <ekCo> this is annoying me so much, i need to build a 32bit layer..
[12:37] <ekCo> but i heard its an arsewipe to do...
[12:37] <goofrider> Zambba; actually, it's OK as long as you're pulling from  unoffical repos for unstable
[12:37] <ekCo> apparantly gentoo has 32bit already built in or something?
[12:37] <goofrider> and don't include the offical DEbian depo
[12:38] <ekCo> hah Nermal, it works on 64bit :)
[12:38] <ekCo> naturally :D
[12:38] <Nermal> ekCo, :D
[12:38] <Nermal> mm.. this is a nice channel
[12:38] <Nermal> questions aren't too hard :)
[12:38] <ekCo> wheres the mouse config in x11?
[12:39] <goofrider> Xorg.conf?
[12:39] <goofrider> LMAO
[12:39] <jacobe> do you all thik there is there a better mp3 player for ubuntu than mplayer?
[12:39] <Nermal> erm.. well. it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :|
[12:39] <Nermal> ekCo, what do you want to change ?
[12:39] <Nermal> jacobe, sure... mplayer is more of a video player
[12:39] <jacobe> what do you recommend for music and video?
[12:39] <ekCo> mx510 settings to enable mouse 4, 5
[12:40] <goofrider> amarok is popular for KDE
[12:40] <Nermal> jacobe, winamp lookalikes are xmms and beep-media-player (gtk2) | itunes lookalikes include rhythmbox and muine
[12:40] <jacobe> im using gnome
[12:40] <Nermal> jacobe, gnome desktop also includes totem, which is quite nice
[12:40] <ekCo> not really
[12:40] <goofrider> Totem is the offically support media player in Ubuntu
[12:40] <Nermal> totem can also cook your cpu with visualisations
[12:40] <ekCo> totem in normal install doesn't allow .avi, let down ><!
[12:41] <jacobe> can toten work with m4as etc.
[12:41] <Nermal> ekCo, it does. install totem-xine
[12:41] <Nermal> and that will remove totem-gstreamer
[12:41] <jacobe> totam-xine?
[12:41] <Nermal> then totem will play things using the w32codecs
[12:41] <Amaranth> ekCo: avi is a container, gstreamer handles that
[12:41] <Amaranth> ekCo: It might not handle certain things people shove into that container though
[12:41] <nubious> ok here's a question
[12:41] <goofrider> I though Totem=gstreamer can use w32codecs as well
[12:41] <Nermal> yah.. totem-xine will play the same stuff mplayer will.. wmvs, divx, all that.. using w32codecs
[12:41] <ekCo> and apt-get is plausable with gstreamer..
[12:42] <Nermal> goofrider, I've not got it working :|
[12:42] <goofrider> I'm using Totem-Gstremer with w32codecs, no problem
[12:42] <ekCo> because i got frustrated while trying to watch some demos lol
[12:42] <Nermal> ekCo, apt-get install totem-xine :)
[12:42] <nubious> if I got the VNC server running and stuff within gnome, is there anyway I can have it run at like root level so it will share the LOGIN screen?
[12:42] <ekCo> btw wheres the mouse config?
[12:42] <Nermal> ekCo, we've said
[12:42] <Amaranth> gstreamer has pitfdll to use windows dlls
[12:42] <Nermal> erm.. well. it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :|
[12:42] <goofrider> yeah it took me a while to figure out what I need (I'm a n00b myself)
[12:42] <Nermal> Amaranth, ah
[12:42] <Amaranth> btw, using w32codecs is _illegal_ unless you own a copy of windows that you're not using
[12:42] <ekCo> E: Broken packages
[12:42] <Amaranth> heck, it might even be then
[12:43] <ekCo> ah cheers
[12:43] <ekCo> same as my old gentoo ><!
[12:43] <Nermal> Amaranth, oh no!
[12:43] <Nermal> I need food :|
[12:43] <nubious> illegal?
[12:43] <nubious> who said using windows codecs is illegal?
[12:43] <Nermal> aye.. dlls innit
[12:43] <goofrider> amaranth: w32codecs is probably incompatible with GPL/LGPL
[12:44] <nubious> I have like 18 copies of window skicking around..  someone can use one of my copies if they want.
[12:44] <goofrider> so it'll be illegal to even use it on Linux, technically
[12:44] <ekCo> hmm Nermal, beep-media-player cracks the poop when trying to play a file..
[12:44] <ekCo> xmms would be much handier ><!
[12:44] <Nermal> erm.. doh ?
[12:44] <Amaranth> goofrider: Doesn't work like that.
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> is there an application (graphic) that you can make on ISO-file with?
[12:44] <dolny> anybody using ati on hoary hedgehog 5.04?
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> maybe gnomebaker/graveman?
[12:45] <Nermal> Fator_Dee, or xcdroast
[12:45] <Nermal> though thats not too intuative
[12:45] <dolny> anybody using ati on hoary hedgehog 5.04? theres have to be sopmeone ;/
[12:45] <goofrider> I heard th ATI linux driver is crap
[12:45] <ik> hi
[12:45] <dolny> yep
[12:45] <Nermal> the windows ati drivers are pretty shite too
[12:45] <ik> i have problems playing mpg files on totem
[12:45] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: Go to the CD/DVD Creator in nautilus, drag and drop the files you want on the CD, and choose to burn it
[12:45] <dolny> well
[12:45] <dolny> DOES ANYBODY USE ATI on UBUNTU ?;
[12:45] <dolny> :P
[12:46] <Nermal> ik apt-get install gstreamer0.8-all ?
[12:46] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: choose file image
[12:46] <dolny> i dont want to discuss whether they are ok or not;]
[12:46] <ik> Nermal ok
[12:46] <goofrider> ik: did u install MPEG codecs? maybe the libavcodec package?
[12:46] <Nermal> ik, maybe ;)
[12:46] <Amaranth> dolny: Yes, but I use the open source driver.
[12:46] <ik> goofrider nop
[12:46] <dolny> amaranth
[12:46] <dolny> is it any good
[12:46] <dolny> i mean the speed
[12:46] <dolny> ?
[12:46] <ik> goofrider who so i install that?
[12:46] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: what if I don't use nautilus :-\ (XFCE)
[12:46] <ekCo> hmm how do i update my apt-get shite?
[12:46] <nubious> hey how do I go about making another gnome essiosn so I can have my VNC on my remote computer, but someone can still log in locally?  I know Warty had it easy done
[12:47] <Nermal> goofrider, what I don't get is why these aren't installed by default
[12:47] <goofrider> ik: I think most of the open source video codecs are in multiverse due to licensing/patent issues
[12:47] <Nermal> ekCo, apt-get update
[12:47] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: gnomebaker? :)
[12:47] <Fator_Dee> but gnomebaker can do that? or graveman
[12:47] <k31th> Burgundavia: where was that mplayer package to ?
[12:47] <ik> ok
[12:47] <goofrider> u might need multiverse enabled, possibly marillat too
[12:47] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: ok, thanks, I'll look (more deeply :-p) to those programs
[12:47] <Upayavir1> Nermal: free -m shows 2027 :-) Thank you very much!
[12:47] <Nermal> Upayavir1, :)
[12:48] <Amaranth> enabling marillat should be considered bad for your health
[12:48] <goofrider> k31th: u'r talking about where apt-get installed it to? or where YOU installed it to with make install when u compiled from source?
[12:48] <Nermal> Upayavir1, another uk bod.. I suspected as much when you said "fab" :)
[12:48] <k31th> no im talking which respository is it at
[12:48] <k31th> i just removed mplayer that i compiled by hand
[12:48] <Upayavir1> Nermal: do I make it that obvious? I'm in North London. U?
[12:48] <Nermal> k31th, mplayer is at several
[12:48] <k31th> k?
[12:49] <Nermal> Upayavir1, cardiff atm.. lived in guildford when I worked for suse
[12:49] <k31th> aahh Guildford
[12:49] <Nermal> k31th, tried ubuntuguide.org ? :)_
[12:49] <Amaranth> Hey, a former SuSE employee is using Ubuntu. That's got to say something.
[12:49] <cyphase> argh, i hate designing for IE
[12:49] <dolny> Amaranth: please check your query
[12:49] <goofrider> Amaranth: it only means he doesn't work there anymore
[12:49] <k31th> is that where Ford comes from on hitch hiker gide to the galaxy :p
[12:50] <ik> whats the comand to sun sympatic or that?
[12:50] <ik> symantic
[12:50] <k31th> Nermal: im from Wiltshire
[12:50] <k31th> Suse is a pain
[12:50] <goofrider> synaptic
[12:50] <ik> thanks =)
[12:51] <goofrider> K31th: why is that?
[12:51] <Nermal> Amaranth, I used gentoo before ubuntu, and suse before that
[12:51] <k31th> just didnt like it
[12:51] <k31th> rpm baed :pp
[12:51] <k31th> based
[12:51] <Nermal> suse weren't too happy when I plonked gentoo on our test opterons from AMD :)
[12:51] <k31th> Nermal: same here
[12:51] <goofrider> I've never tried anything but Debian-based distro, so I'm rather ignorant of other distros
[12:52] <Nermal> goofrider, rpm hell
[12:52] <k31th> ahh goofrider stay that way
[12:52] <goofrider> Gentoo is a constant moving target
[12:52] <k31th> i have to use RHE at work and it sux
[12:52] <Nermal> :/
[12:52] <goofrider> Yeah... I was tempted by the RPM devil cause I kinda **need*** JPackage
[12:52] <k31th> i HATE rpms and i HATE YUM
[12:52] <goofrider> Java support or the lack thereof)  in Debian/Ubuntu is embarassing
[12:52] <k31th> cant u use that alien program to convert it
[12:53] <lesshaste> does ubuntu do its own security patches or does it use debian made packages?
[12:53] <Nermal> k31th, you can.. but it's not guarenteed to work
[12:53] <goofrider> well I don't know... it might not follow our FHS still
[12:53] <k31th> Nermal:  i see
[12:53] <Nermal> lesshaste, it's own
[12:53] <goofrider> and it won't have auto dependancy resolution
[12:53] <k31th> is this correct
[12:53] <lesshaste> Nermal, thx
[12:53] <k31th> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiuniverse
[12:53] <Nermal> lesshaste, afaik
[12:53] <goofrider> less: Ubuntu maintain its own repo and patches
[12:53] <odyssey> why is there no updates for firefox when the latest version os 1.0.4?
[12:54] <goofrider> though it tracks Debian Sid for changes
[12:54] <Amaranth> goofrider: That's not Ubuntu's fault.
[12:54] <goofrider> Ody: because Hoary is **frozen**
[12:54] <goofrider> use http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/  there's Firefox 1.0.3 backport there
[12:54] <Nermal> gah.. my stomach is digesting itself
[12:55] <goofrider> Ama:....? Did I blame Ubuntu or Debian?
[12:55] <odyssey> goofrider, but the updates to firefox contain fixes to major security fixes surely these packages should be in hoary-security?
[12:55] <Nermal> odyssey, now that hoary is frozen (ie: released) you will only get security updates to packages .. not version updates
[12:55] <goofrider> I'm just stating the facts
[12:55] <Nermal> odyssey, I imagine they will patch 1.0.3
[12:55] <goofrider> Odyessey: Good point.
[12:56] <Nermal> so you will get firefox-1.0.3-unbuntu<newbuild>
[12:56] <odyssey> Nermal, the current version with no updates it 1.0.2
[12:56] <ekCo> hmm
[12:56] <Nermal> what ubuntu build ?
[12:56] <ekCo> i've added all repositories but still cant get xmms installed ><
[12:56] <ekCo> argh!
[12:56] <lesshaste> there is no version updating even unoffically?
[12:56] <lesshaste> that is bad bad bad
[12:57] <odyssey> Nermal, 5
[12:57] <Nermal> so that number will go up with security fixes
[12:57] <scorpix_> zcat /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/changelog.Debian.gz | head -n16
[12:57] <lesshaste> goofrider, is there no java for ubuntu did you say?
[12:57] <Nermal> lesshaste, well no.. it's the same as all release based distros
[12:57] <scorpix_> to see the last changes of firefox
[12:57] <Nermal> lesshaste, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:57] <liable> ekCo: apt-cache search xmms?
[12:57] <lesshaste> Nermal, no that isn't right. Fedora has loads of 3rd party repositories that have version updates... for example
[12:58] <goofrider> no I'm just saying the UNOFFICAL support in the RPM world is better than the UNOFFICIAL support in Ubuntu/Debian
[12:58] <Nermal> lesshaste, so has debian..
[12:58] <petemc> goofrider: you have empircal evidence?
[12:58] <liable> goofrider: yeah, but from unknown sources
[12:58] <Nermal> lesshaste, that doesn't mean they are supported or will work
[12:58] <ekCo> liable
[12:58] <ekCo> whole bunch of stuff came up..
[12:58] <goofrider> Jpackage is not an UNKOWN source
[12:58] <goofrider> http://jpackage.org/
[12:59] <lesshaste> Nermal, and ubuntu?
[12:59] <odyssey> scorpix_, thanks
[12:59] <liable> ekCo: install it :)
[12:59] <lesshaste> Nermal, what do you mean by supported or work?
[12:59] <ekCo> erm
[12:59] <ekCo> how? haha
[12:59] <goofrider> lesshaste: Unofficial RPMs are VERY POORLY packaged
[12:59] <lesshaste> Nermal, all software is supported by some people and not by others
[12:59] <goofrider> I would count on them if I were u
[12:59] <lesshaste> goofrider, that is really not true. Some are some aren't. You choose your packager according to your tastes.
[12:59] <Nermal> lesshaste, what package do you need ?
[01:00] <lesshaste> goofrider, the same way you choose your distro. Some distros are bad too
[01:00] <Nermal> that is a newer version
[01:00] <liable> ekCo: hmmm, apt-get install xmms?
[01:00] <lesshaste> Nermal, It is not a specific package I am referring to
[01:00] <Nermal> liable, he's running 64 bit :|
[01:00] <ekCo> thats what i've been doing
[01:00] <liable> oooh
[01:00] <Nermal> lesshaste, then why do you need updates ?
[01:00] <Nermal> lesshaste, maybe complain when you can't do something because a package is too old to do it
[01:00] <lesshaste> Nermal, in general? I often like to have new features.. like everyone else :)
[01:00] <goofrider> lesshaste: It's been my exprience that 3rd party RPMs tends to not  follow PSB/FHS as well as third=party DEBs
[01:01] <goofrider> but that's just my experiences
[01:01] <anglophobe> how do i make my linux wireless connect to a wep network?
[01:01] <Nermal> lesshaste, then use breezy in a few months, or development branches of debian
[01:01] <lesshaste> goofrider, this maybe true in general.
[01:01] <lesshaste> Nermal, The point is to be able to add what you want without changing the distro completely
[01:01] <lesshaste> Nermal, new firefox for example
[01:02] <lesshaste> Nermal, or the latest mplayer
[01:02] <goofrider> Nermal: u should real Ubuntu Backports' mission statement
[01:02] <liable> ekCo: I think you need to do the 32bit chroot thing maybe?
[01:02] <goofrider> " to be able to add what you want without changing the distro completely" were their (almosy) exact words
[01:02] <lesshaste> 3rd party repos are a really good thing
[01:02] <goofrider> u shoudl **read***
[01:02] <lesshaste> despite the fact that some are crap :)
[01:02] <lesshaste> it's like saying we shouldn
[01:03] <lesshaste> 't have more shops as some sell crap products
[01:03] <lesshaste> consumers do have *some* responsibility!
[01:03] <goofrider> what is the arguement again?
[01:03] <lesshaste> goofrider, no idea :)
[01:03] <Nermal> lesshaste, use unofficial repositories then
[01:03] <liable> lesshaste: install fedora then :|
[01:03] <lesshaste> goofrider, just wanted to know about 3rd party repos for ubuntu
[01:03] <Nermal> there are plenty for debian / ubuntu
[01:04] <lesshaste> liable, I am moving *from* fedora :)
[01:04] <Nermal> lesshaste, tell you what..
[01:04] <goofrider> less: there are a few
[01:04] <goofrider> and we're still nre, more will come
[01:04] <Nermal> lesshaste, you make a repository of all the packages you want for ubuntu, and mantain and support them
[01:04] <lesshaste> goofrider, good point
[01:04] <Nermal> then we won't have this problem any more
[01:04] <lesshaste> Nermal, no server money :(
[01:04] <goofrider> as u can use most 3rd-party unstable packages
[01:04] <Nermal> lesshaste, sourceforge ?
[01:04] <lesshaste> Nermal, can they do repos?
[01:05] <Nermal> I'm not sure..
[01:05] <liable> lesshaste: install source packages if you must, or use alien, or use debian :)
[01:05] <lesshaste> Nermal, I didn't realise. I thought you got cvs/web access etc.
[01:05] <Nermal> I'm sure someone will offer bandwidth :)
[01:05] <goofrider> lessheste: just submit your new custom packages to Ubuntu Backport. They have a staging area that anyone can commit to
[01:05] <lesshaste> liable, I didn't really mean just for me :)
[01:05] <lesshaste> Nermal, That would be cool if they did
[01:05] <lesshaste> goofrider, excellent.. thx
[01:05] <liable> lesshaste: your point is then?
[01:05] <lesshaste> liable, I am not making a point/argument. Just asking and chatting
[01:06] <goofrider> less: and u can also pursuit a MOTU to accept the package to Universe
[01:06] <lesshaste> MOTU?
[01:06] <lesshaste> (new from fedora.. sorry)
[01:06] <goofrider> but I think backports is the best rout, cuz the packages can get tested b4 it move into universe
[01:06] <lesshaste> sounds very good
[01:06] <goofrider> MOTU = Master of the Universe
[01:06] <anglophobe> anyone?
[01:06] <lesshaste> ah :)
[01:06] <goofrider> Universe maintainers
[01:07] <Nermal> anglophobe, use the gnome net config too
[01:07] <Nermal> tool *
[01:07] <Nermal> or do iwconfig wlan0 enc <wepkey>
[01:07] <ekCo> liable, how do i install the 32bit chroot lol?
[01:07] <goofrider> less: Read the debian New Maintainer Guide and the Packaging Guide on Ubuntu Wiki
[01:07] <anglophobe> ermm I using kbuntu on the live cd.. want to make sure that my wireless card works.
[01:08] <anglophobe> Nermal: do I need to inclue the ESSID or anything?
[01:08] <liable> ekCo: sorry dude, no idea, dont have a 64, google should lead you in the right direction though. Just google 32 bit chroot
[01:08] <ekCo> how do you force a cdrom to unmount.. ie ut2004 installation lol
[01:08] <Nermal> anglophobe, erm.. you can do
[01:09] <Nermal> anglophobe, iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> enc <wepkey>
[01:09] <goofrider> lesshaste: There's a huge community around Debian/Ubuntu as well. Remember that what's consider 3rd party packages in Feoora is commonly in the official repo in Debian/Ubuntu
[01:09] <Nermal> then do iwconfig and see if it's got the access point mac
[01:09] <lesshaste> goofrider, thx. I don't know much it turns out.
[01:09] <lesshaste> Nermal, :)
[01:09] <Nermal> :)
[01:10] <anglophobe> thansk nermal, i'll try that tonight when I get home from work.
[01:10] <lesshaste> goofrider, so ubuntu can use mepis deb packages too? e.g. the acrobat 7 one etc.
[01:10] <goofrider> because Fedora was Red Hat, and Red Hat had strict control of its repo
[01:10] <jiyuu0> ekCo, force unmount: umount -l /media/cdrom
[01:10] <ekCo> cheers
[01:10] <jiyuu0> i do that often :)
[01:10] <goofrider> so that's why there was a huge third-party RPM community
[01:10] <goofrider> in Debian world, these third-party packages often get accpeted to Sid directly
[01:10] <lesshaste> goofrider, fedora has a nice selection of 3rd party repos depending on how crazy/risky you are
[01:10] <anglophobe> anyone have experience setting up ubuntu/kubuntu on an ibm x31?
[01:11] <lesshaste> goofrider, for example.. for bleeding madness use atrpms
[01:11] <lesshaste> goofrider, things in freshrpms.net just work.. etc
[01:11] <goofrider> less: There's a Arcobat 7 DEB in Ubuntu Backports
[01:11] <lesshaste> goofrider, thx! Where do the things of dubious legality go?
[01:11] <lesshaste> the multimedia stuff etc.
[01:11] <goofrider> lesshaste: That's why there's debian Unstable (Sid) and Experiental/Staging
[01:12] <goofrider> Debian's repo is more centralized and community-driven
[01:12] <lesshaste> goofrider, but can you take one package from unstable and put it in your stable set up?
[01:12] <khirsha> hi, i'm triyng to get my copy of the ubuntu hoary repositories by debmirror
[01:12] <goofrider> Sure, but I won't recommend it to a noob to pull directly from Debian Sid
[01:12] <khirsha> but if i insert the universe section i get 2 error
[01:13] <lesshaste> goofrider, ok.. that's what the 3rd party repos are really good for. You just take the one thing you want
[01:13] <khirsha> [ 28%]  Getting: pool/universe/g/gcc-3.4/g77-3.4_3.4.3-9ubuntu4_amd64.deb failed:Failed to open file.
[01:13] <khirsha> [ 28%]  Getting: pool/universe/g/gcc-3.4/g77-3.4_3.4.3-9ubuntu4_i386.deb failed:Failed to open file.
[01:13] <lesshaste> goofrider, Where do the things of dubious legality go? It's livna.org in fedora
[01:13] <goofrider> lesshaste: For legally grey packages, there'll usually be unoffical third-party places for them (like Marillat). Check apt-get.org
[01:13] <lesshaste> thx
[01:14] <goofrider> which is a third-party apt direcotry like freshrpms
[01:14] <goofrider> less: makeing your own DEB from source is pretty eay too. I;m learning that right now
[01:14] <odyssey> goofrider, you will find that you dont need third party directorys alot of the time because pretty much everything is in the universe repo
[01:14] <nubious> later guys
[01:14] <goofrider> nite nub
[01:15] <ekCo> hmm
[01:15] <odyssey> goofrider, are you reading a guide for creating a .deb?
[01:15] <goofrider> odyssesy: that's what I've been saying to lessshaste. That what usually exist in third-party ROM repo are included in universe/multiverse and Debian Sid
[01:15] <lesshaste> goofrider, marillat :) Now I am happy !
[01:16] <lesshaste> is there a checkinstall equivalent?
[01:16] <goofrider> Odessey. I'm reading Debian New Main Guide and the Ubuntu Packaging Process (I think I'm just submitting to Backports though)
[01:16] <ekCo> is transgaming*.deb obtainable somehow.. or is it costly..
[01:16] <daniels> ekCo: costly
[01:16] <lesshaste> In other words something that makes a .deb package from "./configure;make;make install"
[01:16] <ekCo> argh!
[01:16] <goofrider> lesshaste dh_make
[01:16] <ekCo> isn't older releases free?
[01:16] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: from where are you learning to make .debs?
[01:16] <goofrider> jsut read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[01:16] <lesshaste> goofrider, cool!
[01:17] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: could you give me the url?
[01:17] <lesshaste> I am still waiting for my free cds in the post :)
[01:17] <goofrider> ask google
[01:17] <Fator_Dee> :-<
[01:17] <lesshaste> me?
[01:17] <lesshaste> oh ok
[01:18] <goofrider> or apt-get install maint-guide
[01:18] <Fator_Dee> long guide :-o
[01:18] <lesshaste> last thing.. is there a net install for ubuntu? Couldn't seem to see one
[01:18] <goofrider> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[01:18] <lesshaste> Ideally I would like to boot off a floppy or even make kernel image on my current setup and install ubuntu over the net
[01:18] <goofrider> remember to read the Debian FHS (Filesystem Hierachy Standard) Guide too
[01:19] <goofrider> it tends you what should go where
[01:19] <ekCo> sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap isn't working, any ideas why?
[01:19] <goofrider> it tells u what should go where
[01:19] <goofrider> ekco: do u have universe enabled?
[01:20] <ekCo> think so..
[01:20] <goofrider> ekco: what is the error?
[01:20] <ekCo> not found..
[01:20] <goofrider> lesshaste: use Debootstrap
[01:20] <goofrider> ekco: apt-get update????
[01:21] <goofrider> #apt-cache search dchroot
[01:21] <goofrider> and see if it's there
[01:21] <goofrider> in the repo
[01:22] <goofrider> Lesshaste: Google for Debootstrap and u can find looks of guides
[01:22] <lesshaste> goofrider, ok.very interesting!
[01:22] <ekCo> tried it goofrider
[01:22] <Mabus> Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel module, but it says "Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 3.3.6 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.0.1.", anyone know how to fix that ?
[01:22] <Mabus> I've done "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3"
[01:22] <lesshaste> goofrider, I have noticed you don't really seem to distingush debian from ubuntu.
[01:22] <goofrider> Maus: r u using the Kernel Source Packages?
[01:22] <Mabus> goofrider: no
[01:23] <goofrider> Mabus: Debian/Ubuntu has it's own way of handle kernel/module compiles
[01:23] <Mabus> goofrider: yes .. this isn't an official kernel module
[01:23] <goofrider> Mabus: download the kernel source/header packeages using apt-get
[01:23] <blake> helow
[01:23] <blake> i have a problem
[01:23] <ekCo> goofrider, any other ideas?
[01:24] <jeroen_> helow
[01:24] <goofrider> Mabus: and use make-kpkg to make kernel DEBs. The result is a custom kernel package that u can install( and manage) using APT
[01:24] <blake> i'm new to ubntu and linux and i need someone if they can to help me
[01:24] <Mabus> goofrider: that's how I did fglrx, yes .. but this is vmware
[01:24] <goofrider> lesshaste: Technically, Ubuntu is a branch of Deiban
[01:25] <lesshaste> goofrider, the extra trick I need is to install ubuntu on top of my existing system. In other words I need to load the whole system into RAM to do this
[01:25] <Mabus> blake: please just ask
[01:25] <blake> i'm just trying to mount a ntfs hard drive so i can get some files off it and be done with is and i can't seem to figure ou t how to go about it
[01:25] <lesshaste> goofrider, thx for the help.
[01:25] <lesshaste> goofrider, I will bootstrap away
[01:25] <blake> i've ben on fourms and browsed sourceforge
[01:25] <ekCo> argh anyone know how i can get dchroot debootstrap installed, i keep getting an error, saying it cant be found and no packages.. i've updated etc
[01:26] <Mabus> blake: I doubt that, there are several posts about this on the forums.
[01:26] <blake> well
[01:26] <goofrider> lesshaste: Well then make a boot floppy from your old system if u need to boot from that kernel
[01:26] <Mabus> blake: mount -t ntfs /dev/device /mnt/point
[01:26] <blake> i didn't go to ubuntu
[01:27] <goofrider> Mabus: I'm not sure but I think u can try to make your own module0assistant enhanced module using some tools
[01:27] <blake> that didn't work
[01:27] <Mabus> goofrider: I'll probably figure it out, thanks
[01:27] <goofrider> Mabus:wait.. I'm sorry, you said u have GCC version issue
[01:28] <goofrider> I missed that part.  LOL
[01:28] <Mabus> goofrider: yes
[01:28] <ekCo> erm isn't transgaming* just the cedega-4.3.1.deb?
[01:28] <Mabus> :P
[01:28] <Mabus> ekCo: and the GUI tool ... click2play or something.
[01:28] <ekCo> so you can work just off cedega though?
[01:28] <goofrider> blake: is ntfsprogs installed? it might not be installed by default
[01:28] <Mabus> ekCo: yes
[01:28] <goofrider> Mabus: I'll check on the GCC issue
[01:28] <jeroen_> Backports server slow?
[01:28] <blake> i'll see
[01:28] <Mabus> goofrider: nice, thanks
[01:28] <blake> brb
[01:28] <liable> blake: type 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[01:29] <jeroen_> downloading @ 6243B/s now, form backports
[01:29] <liable> blake: see a ntfs partition?
[01:29] <ekCo> hah
[01:30] <blake> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:30] <blake> /dev/hda1   *           1        3497    28089621   83  Linux
[01:30] <blake> /dev/hda2            3498        3649     1220940    5  Extended
[01:30] <blake> /dev/hda5            3498        3649     1220908+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[01:30] <ekCo> seems cedega does work on 64bit
[01:30] <ekCo> without a chroot ><!
[01:30] <ekCo> working for me right now :o
[01:30] <ekCo> interesting :o
[01:31] <liable> ekCo: got xmms working?
[01:31] <goofrider> Mabus: not sure what I can do (not very good at comiling my own stuff). I guess you need to ceck your make files. Wish I could be mroe helpful
[01:31] <liable> blake: 'lsmod' any ntfs looking modules?
[01:31] <ekCo> liable, nope, but i managed to get cedega to run :o
[01:32] <blake> you were right
[01:32] <blake> it wasn't installed
[01:32] <blake> i am installing it right now
[01:33] <blake> now what should i type
[01:33] <Mabus> goofrider: alright, thanks
[01:33] <blake> should i be able to find it
[01:33] <goofrider> sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs???
[01:33] <blake> i didn't have  ntfsprogs
[01:33] <blake> i just got it tho
[01:34] <goofrider> Mabus: At least now I know what it watch out for when I install VMware
[01:34] <goofrider> LOL
[01:34] <goofrider> what **to** watch out for
[01:35] <Mabus> :)
[01:35] <Mabus> problem is that the ubuntu stock kernel is compiled with gcc4
[01:35] <seb128> it is not
[01:35] <blake> did i not need to get that program?
[01:35] <goofrider> did u try using automake and ./configure to change the build enivronemnt?
[01:35] <blake> um....
[01:35] <blake> i'm new
[01:36] <Mabus> seb128: " *** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 3.3.6 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.0.1."
[01:36] <goofrider> that was for Mabus
[01:36] <ekCo> how is unreal tournament 99 installed in ubuntu?
[01:36] <ekCo> there is no setup or nothing, but its a native game to linux.
[01:36] <seb128> Mabus:
[01:36] <seb128>    * Force the kernel to use gcc-3.4:
[01:36] <seb128>      - Add patchmakefile_force-gcc3.4.dpatch.
[01:36] <seb128>      - Add Build-Dep: gcc-3.4.
[01:36] <seb128> from <IP_ADDRESS>-1.1
[01:37] <goofrider> heh u rock
[01:38] <blake> um
[01:39] <ekCo> for a laugh i got worms world party installed on a 64bit system
[01:39] <threat> lol
[01:40] <threat> I am trying to get Ragnarok working under Linux :P
[01:40] <ekCo> hehe
[01:40] <threat> no luck with wine
[01:40] <threat> going to try with crossover office now :)
[01:40] <ekCo> i cant wait to play ut2007 :P
[01:40] <ekCo> i've got exclusive pics from midway etc
[01:40] <threat> :O
[01:40] <Bazzi> :O
[01:40] <Bazzi> leak them
[01:40] <ekCo> and its native to linux
[01:40] <threat> will that have linux support like the last one?
[01:40] <ekCo> indeed
[01:41] <threat> w00t
[01:41] <Bazzi> show us ze pics!
[01:41] <blake> hey does anyone know how to work that app
[01:41] <ekCo> some are on beyond unreal anyway
[01:41] <Bazzi> :p
[01:41] <ekCo> yeah apparantly, their creating a full dvd disc on the install..
[01:41] <threat> what app?
[01:41] <ekCo> so its a full linux disc.
[01:41] <k_deft> have ubuntu another name
[01:41] <k_deft> ?
[01:41] <ekCo> and it auto runs according to epic.
[01:41] <threat> w00t
[01:41] <threat> k_deft, ?
[01:42] <threat> k_deft, kubuntu?
[01:42] <Bazzi> its still a year away so meh
[01:42] <k_deft> srry nothhing
[01:42] <Mabus> aha
[01:43] <Raskall> hmm.. wonder if my hoary cd's are in the mail yet.. *sigh*
[01:43] <Mabus> goofrider, seb128: I just replaced the symbolic link /usr/bin/gcc (which earlier pointed to /usr/bin/gcc4) with a link to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3
[01:43] <seb128> ugly
[01:44] <Nermal> no gcc-config ?
[01:44] <Mabus> voila, vmware
[01:44] <Zambba> What are the system requirements for (K)ubuntu? :$
[01:44] <Nermal> Zambba, should be on kubuntu.org
[01:44] <ekCo> ah what the? .transgaming isn't found..
[01:44] <ekCo> how can this be, when im running it to install apps!?
[01:45] <Nermal> Zambba, or not.. I dunno.. 700mhz cpu, 128 mb ram ?
[01:45] <Nermal> minimum...
[01:46] <Nermal> kde and gnome are both rather heavy
[01:46] <blake> hey yall how do i get to the ubuntu forums
[01:46] <blake> ??
[01:46] <Nermal> forums.ubuntulinux.org ?
[01:46] <Nermal> at a guess
[01:46] <Raskall> www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:46] <Zambba> How much does (K)ubuntu take hdd space?
[01:46] <Nermal> d0h
[01:47] <Nermal> Zambba, depends what you install
[01:47] <Nermal> default is probably 1.5 - 2 gig
[01:47] <Nermal> kde alone is about 500 mb
[01:47] <blake> i had a questin but noone could answer it so i'm gona try the forums
[01:47] <Nermal> blake, what was the question ? :)
[01:49] <hector_> Hello everybody. Im From mexico. Im a debian user , now i decide to try ubuntu distro. :D
[01:49] <Zambba> hello hector_ :)
[01:49] <hector_> Hello Zambba where are you from ?
[01:49] <Zambba> hector_: From Finland
[01:49] <looksaus> is there something like pycairo for ubuntu
[01:49] <looksaus> ?
[01:50] <jeroen_> what is pycairo?
[01:50] <Nermal> quite
[01:50] <blake> ooh
[01:50] <verden01> is skype avalaible for ubuntu?
[01:50] <Nermal> verden01, yah
[01:50] <Raskall> verden01: yup
[01:50] <snader> verden01: yes
[01:50] <Nermal> see http://ubuntuguide.org for how to install it
[01:50] <snader> (:P)
[01:50] <blake> it's probbally on the furm but how do i mount a ntfs drive
[01:50] <Zambba> Okay. I've decided to try out (K)ubuntu. I have now 2 NTFS partitions on my computer (20 + 40 GB). Can Ubuntu's installer make my 20 GB ntfs drive to 15 GB?
[01:50] <looksaus> jeroen_, python bindings for the cairo graphics system
[01:51] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype no less
[01:51] <verden01> cool thanx  but i have an AMD64?
[01:51] <Nermal> umm.. I dunno about that
[01:51] <larsrohdin> maybe a bit offtopic, but is there a good program for making webpages? similar to Front page or dreamweaver?
[01:52] <Nermal> larsrohdin, nvu.com
[01:52] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[01:52] <larsrohdin> is that open source?
[01:52] <Nermal> yes
[01:52] <Nermal> gpl
[01:52] <verden01> k
[01:52] <larsrohdin> nice, ill check it out, thanks
[01:52] <Nermal> developed by the linspire folks
[01:52] <Nermal> uses the mozilla gecko stuff
[01:53] <hector_> I want to invite you all to get a lieh.net proyect.. that is an email open source proyect, unlimited GB for abount " 1500 " users
[01:54] <Nermal> hector_, I find gmail fine :)
[01:54] <hector_> jajajjaja yup i know gmail its find but im talking about open source , you can enter on the cpanel interface , ask for code , modify , and be on the lieh.net staff
[01:54] <goofrider> nvue roxs
[01:54] <hector_> thats the cool stuff :D
[01:55] <larsrohdin> anyone from sweden in here?
[01:55] <goofrider> it's available for win32 and os x too
[01:55] <Zambba> larsrohdin: Almost ;)
[01:55] <larsrohdin> Zambba, lol...
[01:55] <thenuke> larsrohdin: near enough, why bother asking?
[01:55] <larsrohdin> ever visited www.sweclockers.com?
[01:55] <goofrider> it's in Debian Sid
[01:55] <wdh> Zambba, no, it cannot..
[01:55] <Zambba> sad :(
[01:55] <wdh> Zambba, that is scheduled for the next release..
[01:56] <Zambba> okay :)
[01:56] <hector_> Do you know any geekradio ?
[01:56] <wdh> Zambba, you might wanna consider using knoppix/qtparted for that
[01:56] <hector_> or something like that ? im boring
[01:56] <Zambba> wdh: Is that easy?
[01:57] <Zambba> I just download Knoppix and do the thing with it and then I can install Ubuntu?
[01:57] <Hans_de_Zwart> I installed ubuntu for the first time and cannot get my network interface working correctly. does anybody know what I could try?
[01:57] <jeroen_> Gparted is easy, I guess Qtparted is the same program but for KDE?
[01:57] <wdh> in knoppix you have to run a root-terminal.. and from that just run 'qtparted'
[01:57] <wdh> jeroen_, pretty much
[01:57] <Zambba> okay
[01:57] <Zambba> How big is Knoppix?
[01:58] <Nermal> jeroen_, not exactkyl
[01:58] <hector_> What type of connection you have ADSL ?
[01:58] <goofrider> I use Sysrescd for that
[01:58] <Zambba> I sadly have only 512/512 kbit adsl
[01:58] <Nermal> Zambba, 700mb .. you run it from the cd
[01:58] <wdh> Zambba, one cd.. so be patient
[01:58] <hector_> try pppeoconf in term
[01:58] <Hans_de_Zwart> Zambba: I did it this morning on wdh's advice and it works perfeclty
[01:58] <goofrider> Sysresqcd has LVM, NTFS, HFS, and many other things
[01:58] <hector_> fuck oe i mean
[01:58] <hector_> :D
[01:58] <goofrider> and smaller (like 200MB)
[01:59] <drcodedd2> I can clone my hdd to other hdd ?
[01:59] <Zambba> goofrider: So I can use that to make my ntfs partition smaller?
[01:59] <drcodedd2> like mirror?
[01:59] <goofrider> drco: use partimage
[01:59] <goofrider> if u'r doing a sector-level copy
[01:59] <drcodedd2> thanx
[01:59] <goofrider> for mirror (file-level) use rysnc, rsnapshot, or many other tools
[01:59] <drcodedd2> it work good /
[01:59] <drcodedd2> ?
[02:00] <jeroen_> Zammba, it is doable to d/l with 312
[02:00] <goofrider> drc: not sure. I heard it's gr8 though
[02:00] <wdh> drcodedd2, dd will work just fine if you want an exact clone
[02:00] <drcodedd2> I Have install arakie backup software , I install 30 days trayll
[02:00] <goofrider> drc: partimage can even run as server so u can image to a remote server
[02:00] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ive followed the guide, then what? what command starts the program?
[02:00] <wdh> drcodedd2, dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb2
[02:00] <drcodedd2> how I can unisntall it
[02:00] <drcodedd2> it dosnt come with deb
[02:01] <Zambba> Is this good partition scheme: 15 Gt ntfs for WinXP, 14 Gt ext3 for Ubuntu, 1 Gt swap for Ubuntu and rest of disk (some 30 GB) fat32 for workfiles?
[02:01] <Zambba> Gt = GB
[02:01] <drcodedd2> yes
[02:01] <factorx> 1 gb swap is too much imho
[02:01] <drcodedd2> but dd the dest hdd it will do boot from it ?
[02:02] <goofrider> zambba: I'd put /boot and /usr  on their on parts
[02:02] <malte`> 14GB for Ubuntu is a bit too much IMHO :|
[02:02] <goofrider> drc: you'll have to boot from CD, chroot to the new part and run install-grub
[02:03] <Zambba> Does the fat32 partition show as /dev/hda4 or something as stupid?
[02:03] <drcodedd2> and if I use partimage?
[02:03] <goofrider> RTFM re: grub
[02:03] <drcodedd2> it will also boot automticly from dest , I Mean if I switch between the hdd?
[02:04] <goofrider> partimage image the ENITRE DRIVE i think..... but if u image each parition seprately, u'll still have to do an install-drub
[02:04] <larsrohdin> Nermal, you here?
[02:04] <wdh> drcodedd2, what is it you want?? make a backup image of a partition? or replace a harddisk by another one?
[02:04] <drcodedd2> k
[02:04] <drcodedd2> replace by bigger hdd
[02:04] <thenuke> friend of mine has IA-300B telewell ADSL-PCI  :I does anyone happen to know if ubuntu can support this
[02:04] <drcodedd2> and boot from the new hdd
[02:05] <wdh> drcodedd2, then just use dd if=xxx of=xxx
[02:05] <drcodedd2> I can then boot from the new hdd?
[02:05] <larsrohdin> ok someone else then... i just installed nvu, how do i start it?
[02:05] <drcodedd2> or I need to install somthing?
[02:05] <goofrider> drc: maybe it's easier if u dd the whole drive, then extend the partition (using parted), reboot, then resize_ext3
[02:06] <drcodedd2> k
[02:06] <goofrider> make sure u REBOOT after resizing the partition, but u resize_ext3
[02:07] <goofrider> before *** u resize ext3
[02:07] <goofrider> u can extend ext3 while the partition is mounted
[02:08] <goofrider> done it MANY TIMES in LVM  :)
[02:08] <jacobe> hey sorry but i cant use the debian binary i got from marillat for mplayer on my hoary
[02:08] <jacobe> anyone possibly help me?
[02:09] <goofrider> that depends on the problem   LOL
[02:09] <snader> jacobe: do you get an error message?
[02:09] <snader> "can't use" is a bit vague
[02:09] <jacobe> i get a error message
[02:09] <jacobe> i mean it game with three files
[02:09] <jacobe> two gz
[02:09] <jacobe> and one called debian-binary
[02:09] <Nermal> larsrohdin, ?
[02:10] <jacobe> idont know what to do with any of them
[02:10] <Nermal> I guess nvu starts the program
[02:10] <Nermal> or /opt/nvu/nvu ?
[02:10] <Nermal> or something like that
[02:10] <goofrider> jacob did u add marialliat to your apt sources.list?
[02:10] <jacobe> no is that in the /etc
[02:10] <jacobe> is that the better way?
[02:10] <goofrider> Nermel: did u install the DEB from nvu.com? That DEB install to /opt I thinl
[02:10] <Nermal> anyone using xchat on ubuntu and know how to fix the "open in existing window" stuff so it actually does and doesn't open a new firefox window
[02:11] <Nermal> goofrider, larsrohdin is the one installing nvu
[02:11] <larsrohdin> Nermal, i just followed the guide you sent me...
[02:11] <larsrohdin> and im not using gnome. so that gnome-panel thing doesn't help me...
[02:11] <goofrider> jaocb:   "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[02:12] <Amaranth> no!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:12] <Nermal> larsrohdin, so there should be a /opt/nvu dir there now
[02:12] <goofrider> add that to your sources.list and use apt-get or synaptic to install whatever u need from marillat
[02:12] <Amaranth> If you're going to be stupid enough to use marillat at least use the testing repo.
[02:12] <larsrohdin> Nermal, oh, now something happened!=)
[02:13] <jacobe> adding unstable is a good idea?
[02:13] <goofrider> Amaranth: maybe u should explain the ramiflicatin of adding Marrilat to sources.list instead of just plain bashing everyone recomending it
[02:14] <larsrohdin> Nermal, is NVU a worthy competitor to dreamweaver?
[02:14] <goofrider> Lars: It's far from Dreamweaver. But it's better than FrontPage
[02:14] <goofrider> LOL
[02:14] <cyphase> "Wake up and smell the silicon!"
[02:14] <jacobe> should i turn off marrilat by adding a "#" to it after i get mplayer?
[02:14] <AirWays> Does sources.list work now?
[02:14] <blake> i need my files off of e ntfs partition.............but hat's all i want, i don't want o keep th ntfs file sysem but oha nce andhen i wan o chang it o ext3 format.................can anoe help me?
[02:14] <larsrohdin> goofrider, ok... thanks
[02:14] <goofrider> Jacob: probly a good idea
[02:15] <jacobe> ok ill try it then for mplayer at least
[02:15] <Amaranth> goofrider: Random breakages because it's for Debian is is tracking Debian. Difficulty upgrading to breezy later because of newer packages gotten from marillat. Probably some more I can't think of right now.
[02:15] <goofrider> Jacob: I have Marillat testing too, I forgot why
[02:15] <blake> ???
[02:15] <blake> is there a program i can use??
[02:16] <goofrider> Amaranth: and it'll be any better if they download the DEB from Marilat and install manually? The same version # conflicts apply
[02:16] <Amaranth> goofrider: Exactly. Thus the 'stupid' comment.  They expect help here and file bug reports.
[02:17] <goofrider> Amaranth: well then maybe Marillat should not even be mENTIONED in the wiki and Ubuntuguide
[02:18] <Amaranth> goofrider: ubuntuguide is totally unofficial. It's written by a user, not a dev.
[02:18] <Amaranth> goofrider: And the wiki is edittable by all.
[02:18] <goofrider> then maybe YOU should add some warning there?
[02:18] <linuxboy> someone should start a ubuntu version of Marillat
[02:18] <goofrider> If you feel so strongly about it
[02:19] <Amaranth> linuxboy: The backports folks are going to, iirc. Of course backports have some of the same problems...
[02:19] <dolny> :D
[02:19] <dolny> just wanted to say that i finally got the drivers to work
[02:19] <goofrider> linuxboy: I'm with Amarath on that. Marillat should not be in Ubuntu offcially
[02:19] <dolny> :D
[02:20] <JaneW> OMG, can anyone tell me why my firefox windows either hang or close spontaneously suddenly? :(((
[02:20] <goofrider> But people are gonna do what they wanna do no matter how many times you tell them no
[02:20] <goofrider> it's more practical to tell them to do it the safe way
[02:20] <JaneW> makes wiki editing not fun...
[02:20] <jacobe> now i dont even know what mplayer package name to enter on apt-get
[02:20] <dolny> if anyone has problems with ati on ubuntu http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10
[02:20] <dolny> does anybody has the same problem with opera:
[02:20] <dolny> when i launch it it freezes on the first setup screen
[02:20] <dolny> ?
[02:21] <blake> gosh is there any way i can get my music files from ntfs that anyone knows of??
[02:21] <Nermal> sure
[02:21] <Nermal> mount -t ntfs /mnt/hda1 /mountpoint
[02:22] <jacobe> i had to compile a separate kernel that could mount the ntfs drive with fedora
[02:22] <jacobe> not sure about ubuntu
[02:22] <Nermal> nah..
[02:22] <goofrider> blake: did u install ntfsprogs?
[02:22] <Nermal> modprobe ntfs
[02:22] <Nermal> then just mount it
[02:22] <dolny> you can mount it normally its in the guide
[02:22] <blake> yeah ...just did it do i need to reboot
[02:22] <Nermal> sudo modprobe ntfs even
[02:22] <blake> wait what ami saying
[02:22] <Nermal> blake, don't have to reboot
[02:22] <blake> it's linux
[02:22] <goofrider> u don't need to reboot, it's Linux
[02:22] <mindspin> ;-)
[02:22] <Nermal> blake, sudo modprobe ntfs then mount the partition
[02:23] <blake> ok
[02:23] <AirWays> Where I can get wine emulator?
[02:23] <goofrider> apt-get wine
[02:23] <goofrider> in universe
[02:23] <blake> what does that mean
[02:23] <Nermal> which ?
[02:23] <cyphase> apt-get wine
[02:23] <cyphase> apt-get cheese
[02:23] <cyphase> apt-get pizza
[02:23] <goofrider> # sudo apt-get install wine
[02:23] <jeroen_> apt-get install picknick
[02:23] <Nermal> jeroen_, picnic
[02:24] <jeroen_> package picknick not found
[02:24] <Fator_Dee> in terminal you write "sudo apt-get install programhereyouwanttoinstall" and it install the program for you if it's available
[02:24] <gorilla_> Nermal, that's was what i thought... that works much better. :-)
[02:24] <Nermal> :)
[02:24] <goofrider> apt-get is the package manager in Ubuntu, like yum, up2date, etc.
[02:24] <jeroen_> picnic: Picnic is a meta package which's dependencies are: wine, cheese,
[02:24] <goofrider> if u prefer, use Synaptic.  I have only one (IDE) drive, it has 2 primary partitons (/ and swap) and 1 logical (/home) all using reiserfs. The problem is that it can't boot, I get GRUB error 17.
[02:27] <Nermal> linux doesn't want a pat on the back or to inform you every time a tool peforms correctly
[02:27] <Nermal> it's just expected
[02:27] <Nermal> now make a dir for the mountpoint
[02:28] <Nermal> sudo mkdir /mnt/music or something
[02:28] <blake> brb i need more "blood"
[02:28] <desplesda> devazion, it may be that grub wasnt installed properly
[02:28] <goofrider> devaz: not sure what error 17 is but u should try booting from CD, chroot the HDD and run install-grub
[02:28] <blake> ok back
[02:29] <goofrider> devaz: did u even get a grub menu BTW?
[02:29] <devazion> desplesda, goofrider, Error 17 means that it can't identify the partition
[02:29] <goofrider> oh u must have the wrong stage1.5
[02:30] <goofrider> at least the boot sector is OK
[02:30] <blake> hey do i make the dir in the computer dir???
[02:30] <blake> or what
[02:30] <goofrider> blake u can make it ANYWHERE
[02:30] <devazion> goofrider, the output told me that it made me a menu yeah
[02:30] <mindspin> you could make it anywhere
[02:30] <goofrider> devaz: so the error happens AFTER u picked a kernel?
[02:31] <Nermal> blake, use the command I said
[02:31] <Nermal> 3 times
[02:31] <Nermal> I don't mind n00bs but deaf noobs piss me off
[02:31] <blake> um
[02:32] <devazion> goofrider, I really don't know, the installation is pretty much automatic...
[02:32] <blake> how do i make a floder?
[02:32] <daniels> Nermal: go easy
[02:32] <mindspin> mkdir
[02:32] <Nermal> daniels, I am :)
[02:32] <Nermal> I think I've been rather patient today for the amount of coffee to typing ratio I'm on#
[02:32] <mindspin> mkdir = make directory
[02:32] <goofrider> devaz: Generally I use ext2/3 for the /boot so I won't see this kind of problems
[02:32] <Nermal> and the fact I've said the same thing 3 times
[02:32] <goofrider> anyways, google from "grub error 17"
[02:33] <goofrider> u'll find lots of instructions
[02:33] <goofrider> looks like u need to boot from CD and do a install-grub
[02:33] <Nermal> shame all the ops do it badger people who have been helping out, not help out themselves
[02:33] <cmbroth> I used qtparted on my ntfs partition w/o any problems
[02:33] <Nermal> :)
[02:33] <eruin> |QuaD-_: welcome to the club
[02:33] <cmbroth> Sorry, slipped backwards a few hours :)
[02:33] <abbas>  mac-fdisk -l
[02:33] <Nermal> yah.. ntfs resizing has been around for a while
[02:33] <abbas> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /home/abbas/OSX
[02:33] <devazion> goofrider, That might be a sollution. I've already googled it. It means it can't identify the partition...
[02:34] <Amaranth> goofrider: All the references I can find on the wiki for marillat say it'll break things.
[02:34] <goofrider> devaz: But if u'r gonna go thru that trouble, I recommend u might as well create a tiny /boot with ext2
[02:34] <blake> ok i think in the midst of all of this i already made like 5 new folders
[02:34] <Nermal> blake, I told you to do sudo mkdir /mnt/music
[02:34] <Nermal> what part of that don't you understand ?
[02:34] <mindspin> dev, you can try booting knoppix, mmount /mnt/dev/hda1 and vi /etc/fstab
[02:35] <abbas> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hdax /home/user/OSX
[02:35] <Nermal> then I told you (twice) to do sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:35] <Nermal> again, which part is giving you problem
[02:35] <blake> ok
[02:35] <devazion> goofrider, Thanks I will go reinstall with ext3 as /... If it then works I will report this error. Thanks
[02:35] <blake> where can i find that
[02:35] <mindspin> but reinstalling grub will be the solution
[02:35] <chrissturm> whats a good gnome gui to burn isos?
[02:35] <devazion> mindspin, It will?
[02:36] <mindspin> sure
[02:36] <eruin> |QuaD-_: now all we have to do is wait for inotify 0.20 kernels ;)
[02:36] <|QuaD-_> eruin: you can install the patch
[02:36] <blake> ok i did that
[02:36] <|QuaD-_> i haven't decided if i will yet
[02:36] <mindspin> what fs type do you have?
[02:36] <blake> now i have
[02:36] <devazion> mindspin, Reiserfs
[02:36] <goofrider> devaz: u can just resize your root and squeeze a /boot (100MB is enough)
[02:36] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake # sudo modprobe ntfs
[02:36] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake # sudo mkdir /mnt/music
[02:36] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake #
[02:36] <mindspin> worjed fine for me....
[02:36] <eruin> |QuaD-_: I'd rather not mess with kernels again.. haha... patched mine to get dma support for my sata and ide-cd :)
[02:36] <Nermal> blake, and ?
[02:36] <Nermal> so now mount the partition
[02:37] <devazion> goofrider, I will do that!
[02:37] <blake> how
[02:37] <Nermal> 4TH TIME: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:37] <cmbroth> lol
[02:37] <devazion> Thanks a lot for the support everybody!
[02:37] <blake> i have 2 hard drives
[02:37] <Nermal> oh jesus
[02:37] <pef> hello
[02:37] <cmbroth> try man mount
[02:37] <Nermal> I'm not even going to attempt to explain this one
[02:38] <devazion> blake, rtfm should fit in here =)
[02:38] <cmbroth> 2nd hard drive drive should be hdb1
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> eruin: lol
[02:38] <devazion> Bye! Thanks!
[02:38] <Amaranth> chrissturm: nautilus can burn ISOs
[02:38] <eruin> |QuaD-_: what was the option needed for mounted drives?
[02:38] <Amaranth> chrissturm: right click on the ISO file :)
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> eruin: the instructions are here if you change your mind: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[02:38] <eruin> xattr?
[02:38] <eruin> cheers ;)
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> xussr_attributes, or something like that
[02:38] <blake> yeah that's what i hear
[02:38] <chrissturm> amaranth: thx, just saw it :)
[02:39] <blake> so then i should just type that
[02:39] <chrissturm> how can i enable dma as default for my cdrom /dev/hdc
[02:39] <goofrider> Amaranth: well I'll try my best not to recommend ppl to include marillat
[02:39] <cmbroth> I think someone just mentioned having to patch the kernel to get DMA support
[02:39] <Nermal> blake,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/music ?
[02:39] <goofrider> Personally I pin Marillat to a low priority so I have no issues whatsoever
[02:39] <Nermal> cmbroth, nah.. hdparm -d 1 /dev/<whatever> will turn it on
[02:40] <chrissturm> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc works
[02:40] <Nermal> I'm just not sure how to make it default on boot in ubuntu
[02:40] <blake> actually to be exact
[02:40] <blake> yall
[02:40] <goofrider> cmb: Kernel had DMA for yrs, whatcha talking about?
[02:40] <blake> i have 2 hard drives 2 cd drives and a floppy
[02:40] <chrissturm> i think its an option in /etc/modules
[02:40] <AirWays> How I can install FTP server to my Ubuntu?
[02:40] <Nermal> apt-get install pure-ftpd ?
[02:40] <cmbroth> |QuaD-_: I'd rather not mess with kernels again.. haha... patched mine to get dma support for my sata and ide-cd :)
[02:41] <Nermal> blake, just try the command
[02:41] <|QuaD-_> cmbroth: ok....
[02:41] <|QuaD-_> alright final time ttyl
[02:41] <blake> hda1
[02:41] <goofrider> Nermel: to mount at boottime, modify your /etc/fstab
[02:41] <chrissturm> since i am using ubuntu i finally stopped using self compiled kernels
[02:41] <blake> or hdb1
[02:41] <Nermal> goofrider, no.. to turn dma on
[02:41] <mindspin> blake, why not installing xp?
[02:41] <Nermal> blake, both
[02:41] <AirWays> Okay
[02:41] <goofrider> isn't it on my default?
[02:41] <Nermal> well.. is your music on C or D ?
[02:41] <goofrider> by default?
[02:42] <goofrider> the installer should have detected it
[02:42] <Nermal> if it's on C then hda1 if it's on D then hdb1
[02:42] <cmbroth> Sorry, think I confused the issue(s), I'll go hide in the corner now..
[02:42] <chrissturm> nermal: not neccesarily. my hda is g: in xp :)
[02:42] <blake> can't i just say hdb2?
[02:42] <Nermal> chrissturm, please don't start
[02:42] <blake> and then it would defenately work?
[02:42] <Nermal> blake, well that will be partition 2 on the primary slave. is that what you want
[02:42] <chrissturm> hmm, ok
[02:43] <Nermal> blake, please do not ask for advice if you are then going to discard it and wildly guess what to do
[02:43] <blake> ok
[02:43] <Nermal> either follow the advice or don't ask
[02:43] <blake> sry
[02:43] <blake> so
[02:43] <blake> what was it
[02:43] <blake>  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:43] <goofrider> Nermel: you're not obligted to any handholding
[02:43] <blake> right
[02:43] <Nermal> if it's on C then hda1 if it's on D then hdb1
[02:43] <blake> i'm going to try it
[02:43] <Fackamato> Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time - Stranger in a Strange Land
[02:43] <Fackamato> \o/
[02:43] <Fackamato> Dx
[02:44] <blake> it's pins on the actual hard drive are set to slave if that helps
[02:44] <goofrider> hey I have CJK support???  LOL
[02:45] <blake> holly crap
[02:45] <blake> it worked i think
[02:45] <Nermal> go to /mnt/music in nautilus or wherever and see if your music is there
[02:46] <freex> i need help in python2.4,
[02:46] <blake> i don't know how to open the program
[02:46] <blake> lol
[02:46] <Nermal> blake, buy a mac
[02:46] <Nermal> I fail to see how linux is so complicated compared to windows
[02:46] <cmbroth> Go to places, filesystem, them click on /mnt and then on /music
[02:46] <Nermal> I also fail to see how some people manage to clothe and feed themselves
[02:46] <Nermal> and I've run out of coffee :(
[02:47] <cmbroth> Gnome and KDE are easier than Windoze!
[02:47] <Nermal> and hopefully more intuitive
[02:47] <goofrider> Blake: Maybe u should RTFM
[02:47] <goofrider> there's plenty of resources avail
[02:47] <Nermal> you don't go to start to shutdown the machine for example
[02:47] <cmbroth> No coffee?! Run screaming to the nearest 7-11
[02:47] <goofrider> try asking Google and Ubuntuforums
[02:47] <Nermal> cmbroth, I only had some crap instant coffee anyway, but at least it was caffiene :|
[02:47] <cmbroth> The Ubuntu forums are very helpful
[02:48] <Nermal> blake, what's your paypal account # so I can bill it ?
[02:48] <cmbroth> lol
[02:48] <nevyn> start -> shutdown has to be the most braindead piece of ui design ever.
[02:48] <goofrider> Nermal: U've provided more handholding then it's needed
[02:48] <Nermal> goofrider, I tried :(
[02:48] <Nermal> nevyn, nah .. "control - alt - delete" to log on is
[02:49] <goofrider> Nermel: At some point, u need to say no, RTFM
[02:49] <goofrider> LOL
[02:49] <nevyn> Nermal: no that makes sense... because it's a privilaged call to trap that.
[02:49] <mindspin> blake, did your mum allow you to install ubuntu on the computer?
[02:49] <Nermal> nevyn, "use the combination of keys used to reboot the machine to start your login"
[02:49] <goofrider> blake: no offense, but there are PLENTY of step-by-step guide on how to mount NTFS on Linux
[02:50] <Nermal> goofrider, I do.. but then I'd get questions like "RTFM? where? how? what? why?"
[02:50] <goofrider> Nermal: U don't use Ctrl-Alt-Del to login in XP if u have welcome screen
[02:50] <Nermal> goofrider, oh. never used XP
[02:50] <cmbroth> We need to start this guy on the HOWTO doc.. anyone know the address right off?
[02:50] <daniels> Nermal: 'buy a mac' is not constructive
[02:50] <Nermal> daniels, oh for gods sake
[02:50] <goofrider> to MS's credit, the C-A-D seq for login is so that trojans can't trap the seq and provide a fake login
[02:50] <Nermal> the last god knows how many lines WERE constructive
[02:50] <goofrider> that was an explicit design decision
[02:50] <daniels> i understand that it's trying, but please don't get acerbic
[02:51] <albacker> i want to install a package but that needs another, and the other one needs another one. . all the packages are in the same dir. is there any way to solve this ? in mandrake was something like rpm -ihv * or rpm -Uhv *
[02:51] <daniels> if you need to walk away, then just walk away
[02:51] <Drako60> is there anyway to tell what modules are loaded and boot and in which order?
[02:51] <Nermal> daniels, yes.. you should
[02:51] <blake> ok the folder is there .....but i can't get in it
[02:51] <cmbroth> albacker, are you using synaptic or a terminal window?
[02:51] <goofrider> albacker: use apt-get or synaptic
[02:52] <albacker> no, dpkg !
[02:52] <goofrider> LMAO
[02:52] <Nermal> you know.. after helping quite a few people out, expecially very trying people, a little bit of sarcasm at the end just about keeps me from screaming.
[02:52] <goofrider> use apt-get
[02:52] <albacker> i have all packages in the same dir. and doing dpkg -i *
[02:52] <albacker> goofrider !! i have the packages! ! ! !
[02:52] <cmbroth> apt-get is much easier and will take care of most of your dependencies automagically
[02:52] <Nermal> Comments like that don't encourage people to help trying users at all
[02:52] <kamstrup> albacker: dpkg -i *.deb
[02:52] <cmbroth> That works too ;)
[02:52] <albacker> kamstrup, yeah, but that doesnt install !
[02:52] <kamstrup> Are you sure?
[02:53] <albacker> yes
[02:53] <freex> when i type "kinterbasdb.init(type_conv=100)" i get an error
[02:53] <Nermal> why you chose to pick on certain people who are helping out a lot is beyond me
[02:53] <albacker> it says, problems installiing this
[02:53] <goofrider> albacker:... and all the dependency is there too? I don't why it doesn't work
[02:53] <albacker> goofrider, me too
[02:53] <albacker> maybe it starts installing another package before the other.
[02:53] <freex> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:53] <freex>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[02:53] <freex>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kinterbasdb/__init__.py", line 343, in init
[02:53] <freex>     fakeFunc.func_code = realFunc.func_code
[02:53] <freex> ValueError: Date() requires a code object with 0 free vars, not 1
[02:53] <AirWays> Package pure-ftpd not found
[02:53] <goofrider> albackerL have u tried adding the DEB to available?
[02:53] <cmbroth> Can you cut-n-paste the error message?
[02:54] <goofrider> dpkg --add-avail or something
[02:54] <albacker> goofrider,  ?
[02:54] <goofrider> Nermal: What's wrongbud?
[02:54] <blake> it says i don't have permitions to view it
[02:54] <goofrider> albacker: yeah..  FTP is VERY insecure
[02:57] <AirWays> But I want to install FTP-Server
[02:57] <albacker> ariways, why not a 80 one ?
[02:57] <goofrider> I'm jusat saying, re-evalute your need to see if u really need an FTP server
[02:57] <Nermal> AirWays, so apt-get install pure-ftpd
[02:58] <albacker> AirWays, http
[02:58] <Nermal> hmm
[02:58] <dballester> hi to all
[02:58] <AirWays> But it says to package not founfd
[02:58] <Nermal> ubuntu (~) $ aptitude search pure-ftpd
[02:58] <Nermal> p   pure-ftpd                       - Pure-FTPd FTP server
[02:58] <Nermal> tis here :|
[02:58] <Nermal> you got all the repositories enabled ?
[02:58] <daniels> Nermal: you're undoubtedly helping a lot, which everyone appreciates, but if you're friendly to users, people are going to stick around a lot more.
[02:58] <dballester> OT: anybody can point me to the right way to know how wine make file associations? ( I wanna launc openoffice for sxw files under my Lotus Notes mail client ) TIA
[02:59] <albacker> guys can someone give me some repos
[02:59] <Nermal> daniels, I know. I'm sorry. :|
[02:59] <Nermal> AirWays, Section: universe/net
[02:59] <daniels> thanks; i'm not trying to come off as unappreciative
[02:59] <xxenon> where do I configure the actions taken with ACPI events ? (lid closed, power button...)
[02:59] <Nermal> make sure you have universe enabled
[02:59] <Drako60> i just want to know how to see what modules are being loaded at boot and what order
[02:59] <Nermal> Drako60, I think some are loaded in initrd
[02:59] <Nermal> things like disc controller modules / etc
[03:00] <Drako60> yes those are the ones i want to know the order of
[03:00] <goofrider> but u'd think someone know enough about comupters to get on IRC would at least know how to be as self-sufficient as they can
[03:00] <Seveas> xxenon, /etc/acpi/*
[03:01] <kass> hey some problems here with hoary. When selecting anything over 640x480 res screen goes all weird. might be related to HorizSync/Vertical Refresh  Any ideas?
[03:01] <Seveas> but be carful with what you do there :)
[03:02] <mindspin> kass what videocard? hardware?
[03:02] <spacemind> hys ppl
[03:02] <Nermal> I've had that with integrated video cards being set to some stupidly low amount of ram in the bios
[03:03] <kass> NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64
[03:03] <spacemind> can anyone make me change my ideas between using debian and migrate to ubuntu ?
[03:03] <Nermal> hum
[03:03] <Ironfrost> hi - I need to create a new partition to install Windows
[03:03] <Nermal> spacemind, sane release cycle ? :)
[03:03] <goofrider> spacemind; 6 month release cycle, guranteed
[03:03] <kass> well it works fine in windows
[03:03] <Ironfrost> I just installed gparted
[03:03] <Tybor2> hi people... can someone send me output of "dpkg --get-selections" runned on a "clean" hoary?
[03:03] <spacemind> Nermal :)
[03:03] <mindspin> I got a machine here with sis chipset and I never get it runnining whatever card is inside (nvidia, ati, s3)
[03:03] <Nermal> spacemind, it depends what branch of debian you use