[08:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> a slightly cooler morning...
[09:51] <brobostigon> thankfully, :)
[09:53] <brobostigon> i repurposed my old kindle case into a flay swat.
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> been a bit hard on yourself or a typo? :-)
[09:55] <brobostigon> lolz, yes. :)
[09:55] <brobostigon> typo, fly swat.
[20:20]  * penguin42 found a HP elitebook in a Cash Generator for #120 - nice dual core i7 laptop (low res LCD but other than that)
[20:22] <daftykins> first gen i7?
[20:24] <penguin42> daftykins: No!
[20:24] <penguin42> daftykins: i7-3520M
[20:24] <penguin42> daftykins: Radeon HD6xxx as well in it
[20:28] <daftykins> ah ha ivybridge
[20:28] <daftykins> AMD, boo :D
[20:28] <penguin42> yep
[20:28] <daftykins> pretty good score though, toss in an SSD perhaps and you're laughing
[20:28] <penguin42> daftykins: Open drivers, can't argue
[20:29] <daftykins> well that's ok if your needs are basically drawing a desktop and not much else
[20:29] <daftykins> about all 'radeon' is good for ;D
[20:29] <penguin42> (which actually all I do) but why? The HD6xxx is pretty decent isn't it ?
[20:31] <daftykins> nah pretty much everything HD 7xxx and below is EOL now
[20:33] <penguin42> true, but it's a lot better than the HD4xxx in my current machine!
[20:34] <daftykins> amusingly that could be both an intel or AMD model
[20:35]  * hamitron is stuck on Ubuntu 14.04 because of his old AMD GPUs
[20:35] <penguin42> hamitron: Which one?
[20:36] <hamitron> 5870
[20:36] <hamitron> x2
[20:36] <penguin42> that should be fine on newer
[20:36] <penguin42> I'm running a 4250 on Fedora 26
[20:36] <penguin42> (open driver)
[20:36] <hamitron> it can run steam and games?
[20:36] <penguin42> ah, not tried, I don't game
[20:37] <hamitron> I've also read the open driver does not support crossfire
[20:37] <hamitron> although tbh, 1 card is enough
[20:47] <daftykins> dump 'em and get something that outperforms by 10x for 10th the power :)
[20:50] <hamitron> I have better in other machines
[20:51]  * hamitron is a hoarder and loves to keep old hardware going
[20:51] <daftykins> heh :)
[20:51] <daftykins> i get a bit attached to mine too
[20:52] <hamitron> 1 problem I find... being a gamer, I tend to have windows on my best machine
[20:52] <hamitron> then use linux on my "main" old rig
[20:53] <daftykins> wisest idea really
[20:53] <daftykins> what i don't get is when someone calls themselves a gamer but then cuts themselves out of the market by staying Linux only :>
[20:54] <hamitron> aye
[20:55] <hamitron> gotta use what is best for the task... for me that is linux for everything apart from gaming
[20:55] <daftykins> :>
[20:56] <hamitron> what I find frustrating, is when you have stats for game sales on linux looking poor, so that is used to justify not bothering publishing the newer games on linux
[20:57] <hamitron> when my purchase was originally on windows, but I benefit from the linux binaries
[20:59] <daftykins> bit of an egg and chicken sorta problem there ja
[21:00] <penguin42> I think you mean a chicken and egg ....
[21:01] <daftykins> egg and penguin! :>
[21:01] <penguin42> true
[21:04] <hamitron> :)
[21:07] <hamitron> do the AMDGPU drivers on older card like mine support opencl well?
[21:08] <hamitron> I suppose I could live without games and harness the power of the gpu that way
[21:08] <daftykins> you won't get amdgpu supporting anything EOL, so some 7xxx gen cards and below
[21:09] <hamitron> even without amdgpu pro?
[21:09] <daftykins> don't think much of anything is supported, but i haven't read any news for some time
[21:10] <daftykins> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-VRAM-D-Games
[21:10] <daftykins> o0
[21:11] <daftykins> not even HDMI audio in yet XD what a laugh
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah \o/ :-P
[23:04] <m0nkey_> Louis is trolling.


[19:34] <Munchor> Hi
[19:34] <Munchor> How do I revert & delete commits?
[19:34] <Munchor> I know I can use bzr revert -r to revert to revision X, but that doesn't remove the history-.
[19:36] <Munchor> Oh it's with bzr push --overwrite, thx


[09:02] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Would need a quick formal binNEW ACK for the usual mir ABI bump binary package renames: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-051-2-publish/12/console :)
[09:02] <sil2100> (if you have a moment)
[09:02] <seb128> sil2100, hey! looking in a minute
[09:03] <sil2100> Thanks!
[09:22] <seb128> sil2100, looks fine, +1 from me
[09:22] <sil2100> \o/ Thanks again :)
[09:23] <seb128> yw!
[10:18] <Mirv> alan_g: sil2100 already published it an hour ago
[10:18] <alan_g> Mirv: cool. Thanks
[13:28] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[13:28] <Saviq> sil2100, hey, not sure if you're the one to ask, but any idea why ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu is hidden: true? https://system-image.ubuntu.com/channels.json
[13:29] <Mirv> someone was indeed asking why of all the channels the recommended channel isn't showing when listing the channels..
[13:29] <Saviq> Mirv, indeed
[13:29] <jgdx> rvr, pong
[13:29] <rvr> jgdx: Hi
[13:29] <rvr> jgdx: I'm testing silo 12 and found an issue with system settings and indicators.
[13:30] <rvr> jgdx: Tapping on the settings options on various indicators eventually makes the panel not to hide automatically.
[13:30] <jgdx> rvr, it's known and not introduced by this silo
[13:31] <jgdx> rvr, let me fetch you the bug
[13:31] <rvr> jgdx: Oh, really? I tried without the silo and couldn't reproduce
[13:33] <abeato> trainguards, is it normal getting "Automated Signoff" == Running for a long time? See https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1027
[13:34] <jgdx> rvr, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1502223 :)
[13:35] <jgdx> rvr, who's this victor guy :p
[13:36] <jgdx> rvr, seems it has something to do with unity8, since Ken found the url-dispatcher to launch USS immediately, always.
[13:37] <rvr> jgdx: lol
[13:37] <rvr> jgdx: Hmm
[13:38] <jgdx> rvr, fix seems to be targetted for 08, i.e. ota10
[13:38] <rvr> jgdx: Right, it is a long delay
[13:48] <Mirv> abeato: you can check the excuses page to see what exactly is running
[13:48] <abeato> Mirv, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-046/excuses.html
[13:48] <Mirv> abeato: yes, so armhf ntp
[13:48] <abeato> test in progress for armhf
[13:49] <Mirv> abeato: following that link brings you to a page that at least no longer mentions ntp, so if it's still not updated 1h from now, it might be time to ping pitti about a stale autopkgtest. but it might be also that it's just waiting to be refresh the page.
[13:50] <abeato> Mirv, apparently there is lack of resources for armhf, yesterday it took hours for another silo to build for armhf too
[13:52] <Mirv> abeato: hours is also unfortunately the length of some test runs, added by delay of up to an hour before the excuses page updates
[13:52] <abeato> Mirv, :-/
[14:49] <rvr> jgdx: Silo 12 approved
[14:49] <jgdx> rvr, thank you
[15:14] <Saviq> robru, hey, any idea why it suddenly takes 50mins to prepare just qtmir https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-064-1-build/52/console ?
[15:15] <Saviq> it's four source packages in total, but still...
[15:37] <abeato> Mirv, mind publishing https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1027 ? need permissions for that
[15:41] <sil2100> morphis_: hey!
[15:41] <morphis_> sil2100: hey!
[15:42] <sil2100> morphis_: if you'd have a moment, could you take a look at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-062/+sourcepub/6095171/+listing-archive-extra ? I prepared a xenial android upload to remove the manta and hammerhead builds from it
[15:42] <sil2100> morphis_: could you check if that looks ok?
[15:42] <morphis_> sil2100: sure
[15:43] <sil2100> morphis_: thanks :)
[15:43] <sil2100> morphis_: I checked the build logs and found no mention of manta or hammerhead builds (at least the kernels are not used)
[15:53] <morphis_> sil2100: are we landing the same change for vivid?
[15:56] <sil2100> morphis: I could potentially, it wasn't a direct requirement as we're not really building any manta images for rc-proposed
[15:57] <sil2100> And yeah, the kernel team never really cared about what's in the overlay
[15:57] <morphis> sil2100: I would like to to minimize the diff between both
[15:58] <abeato> sil2100, mind publishing https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1027 ?
[15:59] <sil2100> morphis: ok, I can push the same change to the same silo for vivid :) But I would take care of a full android source sync some other time
[16:01] <morphis> sil2100: I have that still on my list as there are some changes we need to land
[16:06] <sil2100> morphis: ok :) But does the android change look good so far?
[16:07] <morphis> sil2100: yes, fine with that
[16:12] <sil2100> morphis: thanks!
[16:12] <sil2100> morphis: so I'll add the vivid part and then publish if you're fine with that
[16:13] <morphis> sil2100: yes
[16:16] <sil2100> morphis: regarding the fix for ntp - is that change already in xenial, or is this phone-specific only?
[16:17] <morphis> sil2100: better to ask abeato about that
[16:17] <morphis> sil2100: I just did the silo upload for him :-)
[16:17] <sil2100> Oh, ok, since I saw the changelog was from you ;)
[16:17] <sil2100> abeato: ^
[16:17] <sil2100> ping pong
[16:18] <abeato> sil2100, it's for xenial too, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1526264
[16:18] <abeato> sil2100, but we need it in the overlay too
[16:19] <sil2100> abeato: indeed - we'll have to prepare a version for xenial too then
[16:22] <abeato> sil2100, changing topic, I've built a new system image for frieza with capomastro, which is the process for releasing it?
[16:23] <sil2100> abeato: hmmm, you mean a new device tarball?
[16:23] <abeato> correct
[16:24] <abeato> john-mcaleely is out but we need to continue creating images
[16:24] <sil2100> abeato: not sure about the details, john-mcaleely would know more, but system-image expects the new tarball in http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/avila/ubuntu/device_frieza.tar.xz
[16:24] <sil2100> abeato: and the build ID file here: http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/avila/ubuntu/device_frieza.build
[16:25] <sil2100> abeato: once s-i notices a new build in the build ID file, it fetches the device_frieza tarball
[16:26] <abeato> sil2100, hmm, I see, I'll need john-mcaleely to push the files there then
[16:32] <Trevinho> robru: something weird happened: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-042-1-build/12/consoleFull
[16:38] <sil2100> abeato: I could use a different URL if needed
[16:38] <Trevinho> sil2100: do you have any clue on what happened above? ^
[16:38] <abeato> sil2100, john-mcaleely is telling me that he will upload it, let's stick with that for the moment
[16:39] <sil2100> Trevinho: hey! This usually means someone updated one of the branches from the MPs without rebuilding the silo
[16:39] <sil2100> Trevinho: so, if you have an MP, build the silo and then someone pushes a change to that branch, the train will notice and alarm that you have unbuilt revisions (IIRC)
[16:40] <Trevinho> sil2100: no... I mean https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-042-1-build/12/consoleFull
[16:40] <Trevinho> It looks like the committer value has too many apices..
[16:40] <Trevinho> ouch yeah... committer: ""Andrea Azzarone<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:40] <Trevinho> ""
[16:41] <Trevinho> bzr per se doesn't fail though, so maybe... For such cases bileto should just trim the string
[16:46] <sil2100> Trevinho: hm, I suppose robru would have too look into that
[16:46] <Trevinho> sil2100: do you think he could fix it or, should I rebuild the branch?
[16:47] <Trevinho> I mean, in short time? Since we'd need to get this before beta freeze
[16:47] <sil2100> Trevinho: I guess rebuilding might help, but robru should be around in ~1-2 hours to give professional advice
[16:48] <Trevinho> sil2100: ok thanks
[17:05] <robru> Trevinho: I have no idea where those quotes are coming from, but I can push a branch that trims the string, yeah. Will hit production in about an hour
[17:05] <Trevinho> robru: nice, well... It was a mistake from the committer indeed... Since the log has these
[17:05] <Trevinho> robru: see https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VqXKKr8W/
[17:06] <Trevinho> However, if you can fix that it would be ncie
[17:06] <Trevinho> nice*
[17:06] <robru> Ugh
[17:06] <robru> OK
[17:06] <robru> Just need coffee
[17:18] <robru> Trevinho: ok fix is in trunk, should hit production in exactly one hour, try again then
[17:18] <Trevinho> robru: nice, thanks
[17:22] <abeato> sil2100, do you want me to do something for the ntp? I'm waiting for some sponsor for xenial, but would like to land this for frieza as it was raised by clients
[17:47] <rvr> dbarth__: mardy: Silo 61 approved
[17:50] <Saviq> trainguards, can you please retry the failed i386 build in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-010 thanks
[17:51] <Saviq> for messaging app I mean
[17:51] <robru> Saviq: done
[17:51] <Saviq> tx
[17:51] <robru> yw
[18:29] <Trevinho> robru: things are working fine now... Thanks for fixing this very-edge case!
[18:29] <robru> Trevinho: haha it was a one-liner. you're welcome
[18:30] <Trevinho> robru: well, I guess it was just about stripping, but still it was kind of you ;-)
[18:30] <robru> Trevinho: i love stripping!
[18:30] <robru> :-P
[18:31] <Trevinho> ahah :D
[20:05] <dbarth__> rvr: thanks
[20:28] <Saviq> robru, can you please copy oxide-qt from ppa:saviq/train to silo 10 (for vivid only atm, xenial in progress)
[20:29] <robru> OK
[20:31] <Saviq> actually xenial's still in proposed, won't bump that until that's out of proposed
[22:43] <veebers> robru: not sure about that message/error for veebers/autopilot ^
[22:44] <robru> wtf
[22:45] <robru> veebers: so sync code is a little bit bit-rotty...
[22:47] <robru> veebers: so the package is built in the PPA if you want to start testing it in vivid. can you please file a bug with that traceback? there's some code that's assuming everything is merges and then that sync is failing because there's no merge.
[22:52] <veebers> robru: where would I see the traceback? I can't see it in the jenkins job
[22:52] <robru> veebers: what are you looking at? if you click 'status' on the ticket page it goes directly to the jenkins log that is like 90% traceback.
[22:55] <veebers> robru: ah right :-) I was just looking at the build job log that popped up when I hit 'build'
[22:55] <robru> veebers: oh yeah no, the status job runs every 15 minutes, it's a different job.


[05:00] <Unit193> Howdy BiosElement, upgrade yet? :P  (Had one issue myself)
[05:01] <BiosElement> Yeah, Kubuntu's pulseaudio hated me for a bit
[05:01] <Unit193> Beats boot problems :P  (And on the computer running my screen session too)
[05:02] <BiosElement> lol, true
[05:04] <BiosElement> Question: Why the hell do people think they can ignore our ToS and try to 'negoiate' their refund amount. If we say no refunds after 48 hours, we mean it. >.>
[05:06] <Unit193> People don't think it applies to them? Maybe same reason people can get banned from a channel, then talk to the ops telling the ops to let them back in so they can show how good they can be :P
[05:07] <BiosElement> lol, they don't.  We 'LOSE' more money even if we kept what we're refunding. >.<
[05:09]  * Unit193 wonders where you work...
[05:10] <Unit193> And good news about the ICANN
[05:11] <BiosElement> I'm a tech for redstonehost.com .  Having fun in other channels?
[07:11] <BiosElement> Nah


[13:16] <ricotz> vorlon, hello :), please update the i386-whitelist which should pick up nvidia-graphics-driver-545 for focal and later
[15:43] <falcojr> Is any SRU vanguard available today? I see that sil2100 isn't here today. Cloud-init has uploads queued for Focal, Jammy, Lunar, and Mantic. This is a hotfix release that contains some high priority issues for us, 2039505, 2039621, 2039453.
[15:53] <LocutusOfBorg> also virtualbox pretty please ??
[16:27] <mitchdz> Hi release team, I'm working on an SRU exception for `amazon-ec2-net-utils` since I already know that I'll be wanting to update the release in stable releases frequently (In fact, I'd like to update the current version in MM/LL already). Could I get some eyes on the SRU exception I've drafted? Thanks! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amazon-ec2-net-utils-Updates
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed dxvk from i386-whitelist in mantic
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed gnu-smalltalk from i386-whitelist in mantic
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed nvidia-graphics-drivers-418-server from i386-whitelist in mantic
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed nvidia-graphics-drivers-440-server from i386-whitelist in mantic
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed nvidia-graphics-drivers-450-server from i386-whitelist in mantic
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added isa-support to i386-whitelist in mantic
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-545 to i386-whitelist in mantic
[17:00] <bdmurray> mitchdz: please email the ubuntu-release mailing list and you really want the SRU team not the release team.
[17:04] <mitchdz> bdmurray: Alright, thanks!
[17:32] <mitchdz> I have a general question on SRU exceptions. If a package has an ongoing SRU exception, do all SRUs have to go through this exception process, or can someone still decide to go through the regular SRU process for said package?
[17:37] <vorlon> ricotz: working through the whitelist... have some diffs there to manage as I go
[17:40] <bdmurray> mitchdz: no, you could do a single bug fix or too and follow the regular process.
[17:43] <ricotz> vorlon, thank you
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed python3.12 from i386-whitelist in lunar
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-545 to i386-whitelist in lunar
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added openjdk-22 to i386-whitelist in lunar
[18:28] <vorlon> ricotz: ok done
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed python3.12 from i386-whitelist in jammy
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added llvm-toolchain-17 to i386-whitelist in focal
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-535-server to i386-whitelist in focal
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-545 to i386-whitelist in focal
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added openjdk-22 to i386-whitelist in focal
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added spirv-llvm-translator-16 to i386-whitelist in focal
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-545 to i386-whitelist in jammy
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added openjdk-22 to i386-whitelist in jammy
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (mantic-proposed/main) [45.0-3ubuntu3 => 45.0-3ubuntu4] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: live-build (lunar-proposed/main) [3.0~a57-1ubuntu44 => 3.0~a57-1ubuntu44.1] (desktop-core)
[22:31] <tsimonq2> Hmmmmm. I see a series in Launchpad.
[22:33] <tsimonq2> format '3.0 (native)' is not permitted in noble. ah, so a black hole, cool :)
[22:33]  * tsimonq2 is probably getting ahead of myself... heh
[22:55] <vorlon> you haven't been told the archive is open for uploads, so yes
[23:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: 7946 entries have been added or removed


[00:19] <ScottK> debfx: I'd like to see if we can get rid of them entirely.  The main goal is to reduce the amount of ISO testing we have to do.
[00:20] <ScottK> debfx: I just subscribed you to a spec that may lead to full disk encryption with the live CD being possible.
[00:20] <ScottK> rbelem: ^^^ you too.
[00:21] <rbelem> ScottK, awesome :-)
[00:22] <rbelem> ScottK, so a dvd live image would replace entirely the alternate
[00:22] <ScottK> Possibly.
[00:23] <ScottK> I think raid is the only think that isn't being considered.
[00:27] <rbelem> ScottK, i think that would be nice to add raid support, but with lower priority
[00:28] <ScottK> rbelem: Maybe you know someone there at work that would be willing to help implement it.
[00:28] <ScottK> (the encryption/lvm part)
[04:52] <dantti_> natty nvidia's driver is sooo broken :/
[06:48] <Tm_T> hmmm, I keep getting kernel scheduler panics
[07:04] <jussi> Tm_T: I had a kernel panic the otherday....?
[07:13] <jussi> bah
[07:14] <jussi> obsidian coast is such a nice theme, but I really hate that my documents get themed dark... I still want white pages dammit!
[07:15] <Tm_T> jussi: hopefully this 38.9 doesn't have those anymore
[07:16] <jussi> Tm_T: I reported a bug 775432
[07:19] <Tm_T> I had different kind of panic
[08:28] <bambee> morning
[08:43] <debfx> good morning bambee
[08:43] <bambee> hi ;)
[08:43] <debfx> apachelogger: UDD wants you to merge the natty-proposed changes into oneiric: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/phonon-backend-gstreamer/oneiric-201105022311/+merge/59720
[08:45] <jussi> Quintasan_: did you find a workaround for that aufs probloem?
[08:47] <yofel_> jussi: the pages in libreoffice?
[08:47] <yofel> morning
[08:48] <jussi> yofel: see #ubuntu-devel
[08:48] <yofel> jussi: I meant re [08:14] <jussi> obsidian coast is such a nice theme, but I really hate that my documents get themed dark... I still want white pages dammit!
[08:50] <jussi> yofel: yes
[08:50] <jussi> in libreoffice
[08:50] <yofel> tools -> options -> appearance -> set page background to white instead of automatic
[08:51] <yofel> er, document background
[09:02] <Quintasan> jussi: yes I did
[09:02] <Quintasan> Hello by the way
[09:02] <jussi> Quintasan: yeah, cjwatson just told me how to sort it (chroot)
[09:02] <Quintasan> jussi:remember to mount /dev and /proc via mount --bind
[09:02] <Quintasan> :P
[09:03] <jussi> Quintasan: yeah, I did  :D
[09:22] <jussi> yofel: all nice to do that, but then I have to go start changing default font colours and loads of stuff. I wish it would "just handle that"
[09:22] <bambee> Quintasan: it's useless to bind /sys ?
[09:22] <Quintasan> no idea
[09:23] <Quintasan> I couldn't install it without mounting /sys
[09:23] <bambee> usually I mount proc, dev and sys... but I am not sure about sys :\
[09:23]  * bambee searchs on google
[09:26] <tsimpson> some programs need /sys, I mount /dev, /dev/pts, /dev/shm, /proc, /sys and /tmp
[09:27] <yofel> jussi: really? I just have only the background set to white, everything else is set to automatic and it works as expected
[09:28] <jussi> bambee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#METHOD%203%20-%20CHROOT
[09:28] <jussi> yofel: yeah, i get white on white :(
[09:28] <jussi> perhaps I need to restart it...
[09:29] <bambee> indeed
[09:29] <jussi> yofel: nope, restart of LO didnt help :(
[09:29] <bambee> interesting...
[09:29] <yofel> odd
[09:33] <jussi> yes, somewhat strange.
[09:34] <Tm_T> jussi: on every app, or in some particular?
[09:34] <jussi> Tm_T: I only tested in writer so far
[09:34] <Tm_T> oowriter?
[09:34] <jussi> no
[09:34] <jussi> libreoffice writer
[09:34] <Tm_T> ah, same thing to me (:
[09:34] <jussi> same for calc :(
[09:35] <Tm_T> but yea, OO/LO is problematic with dark themes
[09:35] <Tm_T> it's very annoying
[09:35] <jussi> I wish Calligra was useable...
[09:35] <Tm_T> jussi: been usable when I have tried it (built from git)
[09:37] <apachelogger> debfx: why me? I only followed the lead of jr on this
[09:38]  * apachelogger sees a conflict of interest having upstream work on their software downstream
[09:38]  * jussi would use it in a heartbeat if it actually did propper MSOffice compatibility and had a format painter...
[09:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is your telepathy done yet? can I use it yet? :O
[09:39] <apachelogger> I am not sure what I seen on them screnies but it looks hawt
[09:41] <apachelogger> hm
[09:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: not that I'd want to stir up shit, but the choice of words at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel is disturbing and shitty
[09:42] <apachelogger> "such as making Qt a first-class citizen in the Ubuntu main repository"
[09:42] <apachelogger> implying that we did not take good enough care of it the past 5 years
[09:44] <apachelogger> jussi: oh, come to think of it ... given the new nokia strategy we probably will never see a calligra with proper ms compatibility :S
[09:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have a SOK student for KHC yet btw?
[09:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i have one who is interested but not really experienced so will not do it alone
[09:47] <Nightrose> also i am still missing a mentor
[09:47] <apachelogger> :/
[09:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: when is application deadline?
[09:48] <Nightrose> well end of july but i'd really like to have it all sorted in the next week or two
[09:48] <apachelogger> *nod*
[09:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: actually, did you ever think about like trying to build a team to work on a large project for SOK
[09:49] <Nightrose> dude... of course ;-)
[09:49] <apachelogger> like 4 people all working on KHC, I imagine that to be quite the experience
[09:50] <Nightrose> the problem is: finding the right students and mentor
[09:50] <apachelogger> yeah, students gotta be world class
[09:51] <apachelogger> for students one could like select the students with perceived best proposals and interview them or something ^^]
[09:52] <apachelogger> then run a 5 minute test to get an idea of the potential and then "upgrade" 4 of them to a team ;)
[09:52] <apachelogger> anyhow, I need to run me debugger around the block now :P
[09:54] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[09:54] <apachelogger> anyone seen kded4 go wild on natty?
[09:58] <yofel> me, every time I loose my network connection when connected over my n900
[09:58] <Tm_T> apachelogger: have heard it happens
[09:59] <yofel> the trace showed some ntrack related lookup getting stuck, didn't file a bug though yet
[09:59] <apachelogger> I didn't loose network though
[09:59] <apachelogger> also I noticed I had 2 kded4 for one reason or another
[09:59] <apachelogger> one stuck and one not
[09:59] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/603168/
[09:59] <Tm_T> someone in our LoCo said this bug is resurfacing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/333944
[09:59] <yofel> hm, no, different trace than me
[10:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: jaunty? :O
[10:00] <apachelogger> I doubt it is the same bug
[10:00] <apachelogger> anyhow
[10:00] <apachelogger> my 3rd thread looks interesting enough
[10:00] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/603169/
[10:01] <apachelogger> if one io class gets stuck that coudl easily be the reason why the other io class (QFileSystemWatcher) gets stuck
[10:02] <apachelogger> #9  0x0085d39f in QObject::~QObject (this=0x93a0ee0, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at kernel/qobject.cpp:946
[10:02] <apachelogger> #10 0x074325ab in ?? () from /usr/lib/libsolid.so.4
[10:02] <apachelogger> of course the fact that apparently solid is directly deleting a qobject is a bit fishy too
[10:02] <apachelogger> ought to use deletelater really
[10:09] <debfx> apachelogger: you've uploaded to oneiric without including the changes from natty-proposed
[10:13] <apachelogger> ah
[10:13] <apachelogger> but why are the changes from natty proposed not in oneiric?
[10:15] <debfx> apparently no one copied the package after oneiric opened
[10:17] <apachelogger> itisamess(tm)
[10:33] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[10:33] <apachelogger> debfx: I deem this unnecessary work
[10:34] <apachelogger> pgst 4.5.1 is being prepared for release and has an upstream fix for that proposed change
[10:46] <valorie>  apachelogger, do you know that when one proposes to uninstall phonon-backend-gstreamer
[10:47] <valorie> Kubuntu-desktop will go too?
[10:48] <valorie> this caused me no end of jollity last night when i didn't notice that
[10:49] <valorie> and by jollity, I mean GRRRRRR
[10:49] <yofel> well, it needs *one* backend installed, so kdebase-runtime depends on them
[10:49] <yofel> ah wait, kubuntu-desktop does go indeed
[10:49] <valorie> I have a hand-built one
[10:50] <valorie> and was trying to make the package go away
[10:50] <valorie> in any case, that is disconcerting, to say the least
[10:50] <yofel> well, dpkg --force-depends then, a backend should be installed from a packaging perspective
[10:51] <yofel> lp #771281
[10:51] <jussi> !info kubuntu-full
[10:52]  * valorie goes to bed
[10:52] <jussi> how is that different from the -desktop package?
[10:52] <yofel> meant for the -dvd I think with some extra packages
[10:53] <yofel> just wondering why downgrading -desktop to .122 resolves that
[10:53] <apachelogger> today must be moron day or something
[10:53]  * apachelogger waves fist in the general direction of morons
[10:54] <yofel> hm, no, that's aptitude confusing me
[10:55] <yofel> I'm not really convinced that -desktop should *depend* on pgst either though...
[10:55] <apachelogger> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop |grep phonon-backend
[10:55] <apachelogger> Depends: alsa-base, alsa-utils, anacron, ark, bc, ca-certificates, cups, cups-bsd, cups-client, dc, dolphin, foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, foomatic-filters, genisoimage, ghostscript-x, inputattach, kde-window-manager, kde-zeroconf, kdebase-workspace-bin, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kdepasswd, kdm, khelpcenter4, klipper, kmix, konsole, ksnapshot, ksysguard, kubuntu-netbook-default-settings, language-selector-kde, lftp, libpam-ck-connector,
[10:55] <apachelogger> libsasl2-modules, libxp6, nvidia-common, okular, openprinting-ppds, phonon-backend-gstreamer, plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook, pnm2ppa, rfkill, smbclient, software-properties-kde, systemsettings, ttf-dejavu-core, ttf-freefont, ubuntu-extras-keyring, unzip, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, x-ttcidfont-conf, xdg-user-dirs, xkb-data, xorg, zip
[10:55] <apachelogger> win
[10:55] <apachelogger> yofel: it should recommend it
[10:55] <yofel> that I agree with, but not depend on it
[10:55] <apachelogger> well
[10:55] <apachelogger> I can also see how depend makes sense actually :P
[10:55] <apachelogger> only pgst is supported on our end
[10:56] <yofel> ah
[10:56] <apachelogger> installing e.g. phonon-backend-xine (Which btw should be removed from archive) would render the system non-kubuntu
[10:56] <apachelogger> as it is not supported by kubuntu or upstream or anyone
[10:56] <apachelogger> so, not sure what to do with it
[10:57] <apachelogger> like I actually think kmix is less a dependency than pgst, as we have other supported mixers in main
[10:57] <yofel> well, you're right, -desktop represents our default set after all
[10:58] <yofel> bbl
[12:02] <mfraz74> Can anyone else confirm Bug #777019. Warning you may loose anything you're working on and your wireless connection.
[12:17]  * ScottK hasn't seen that one.
[12:18]  * ScottK would tend to blame X for that one though.
[12:46] <mfraz74> ScottK: is it worth looking at the x error log then?
[12:47] <ScottK> If there is one, yes.
[12:47] <mfraz74> would a problem with x knock out wireless? or is it that as x is restarting it isn't restarting wi-fi?
[12:48] <ScottK> I'd guess the latter.
[12:48] <ScottK> I've had trouble getting wireless back after an X crash in natty.
[12:52] <mfraz74> OK, i've logged into the laptop via this computer and I'll monitor the xorg log file and see what happens
[12:56] <mfraz74> looking at .xsession_error instead: X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10
[13:08] <mfraz74> I've added a text file to the bug with the xsession-error file
[13:11] <ScottK> You should add xorg-server to the affected packages.
[13:15] <mfraz74> added
[14:18] <tazz> does one have to be invited to join https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O ?
[14:20] <jjesse> no those are the people who are going to either be at UDS-O or remotely participating
[14:20] <jjesse> feel free to put yourself down
[14:20] <lucidfox> How does one remotely participate?
[14:25] <jjesse> via irc and th VOIP numbers, there should a wiki page on it someplace
[14:26] <yofel> lucidfox: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-N/RemoteParticipation, there should be a page for UDS-O soon
[14:27] <ScottK> yofel and lucidfox: It's at http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[14:27] <ScottK> jjesse: ^^^
[14:27] <yofel> ah, thanks :)
[14:27] <jjesse> thanks ScottK
[14:27] <bambee> all email sent to kde-core-devel need an approval  ? or it's just for beginners ? (I am just curious)
[14:28] <ScottK> Just for beginners.
[14:28] <yofel> ScottK: the schedule isn't yet final right?
[14:28] <ScottK> yofel: The schedule isn't final until UDS is over.
[14:28] <ScottK> Stuff moves all the time.
[14:28] <yofel> ah heh
[14:29] <lucidfox> ugh, Twitter :S
[15:54] <apachelogger> bambee: you could like bribe someone to get whitelisted :P
[15:57] <bambee> apachelogger: ?
[15:57] <apachelogger> for kde-core-devel
[15:57] <bambee> ohhh
[15:59] <bambee> apachelogger: my request will be probably approved this evening
[15:59] <bambee> (I mean the email)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: define working
[17:27] <shadeslayer> and define " done yet "
[17:27] <apachelogger> plays .prn
[17:27] <shadeslayer> not done yet then
[17:27] <apachelogger>  too bad :(
[17:28]  * apachelogger uses his software then, which incidentally is working and done :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> and it probably never will be according to that standard ^_^
[17:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your GSoC proposal?
[17:28] <apachelogger> sure
[17:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: finish mine too while you're at it ^_^
[17:29] <apachelogger> not while I am watching .prn
[17:29] <shadeslayer> after it then :P
[17:33] <apachelogger> dude
[17:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you realize after .prn is wine time?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> @_@
[17:47] <c2tarun> there is a package named dares, there was a patch to fix binutils-gold error. Debian developer just included this patch in its newer version. No other changes and patch is also not applied in source code, just included as a patch. Is there any need of sync in this case?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: yes, if the ubuntu vs debian diff is null]
[17:49] <shadeslayer> or if all ubuntu changes have been applied upstream
[17:49]  * apachelogger alsmost has a SRU
[17:49] <apachelogger> anyone remembers how SRU works?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> ubottu probably knows
[17:49] <shadeslayer> @_@
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its probably something along the lines of "Fix  something on your system and hope it works for everyone else"
[17:51] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: file a bug, add debdiff to bug, upload to natty-proposed, ensure bug has test case on it, ensure fix is also in onieric
[17:51] <Riddell> make sure the bug is nominated for natty and onieric
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: what I am wondering about, say the package in natty is a bit crapy (got .debhelper.log), would I get a beatin' for having that in the diff?
[17:52]  * apachelogger has no idea how someone got a source package with a .debhelper.log file these days
[17:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: For SRU the diff should be small, so maintaining existing non-critical crappage is actually encouraged.
[17:53] <apachelogger> yeah, well
[17:53] <apachelogger> I have no idea how to maintain the crappage
[17:53] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage eats it away
[17:53] <apachelogger> hence the wondering how it got there to begin with
[17:53] <Riddell> should be ok then just explain it in the bug
[17:54] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[18:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: I believe we should have like an outlook session first thing monday, quickly listing all known points we will talk about throughout the week and maybe toss around some initial thoughts ... so that everyone knows what the plan for the week looks like and maybe think about one or two things while $brain is idle :)
[18:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: We have an very early session on general packaging (which shouldn't take long).  We could do it as part of that.
[18:20] <apachelogger> ok, good enough
[18:36] <bambee> apachelogger: do we receive notifications when the email has been moderated ?
[18:37] <apachelogger> ehm
[18:37] <apachelogger> no idea
[18:37] <apachelogger> I don't think so
[18:37] <bambee> :\
[18:37] <apachelogger> you only get a notification if it got rejected
[18:37] <apachelogger> (mind rejected, not discarded ;))
[18:37] <bambee> mhhh, ok
[18:37] <apachelogger> bambee: lists.kde.org will know
[18:38] <apachelogger> bambee: nothing in my inbox anyway
[18:38] <apachelogger> amazon wants me to buy my mom a kindle though
[18:38] <bambee> arrf, so not moderated yet
[18:38] <apachelogger> bambee: poke like dfaure, he surely has mod access ^^
[18:38] <apachelogger> talking about the kindle
[18:38] <apachelogger> the kindle app for android is pretty neat
[18:39] <apachelogger> in fact, except for their shitty format it is the best reader app I have yet seen on android
[18:39] <bambee> dfaure is not connected
[19:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is there some way that we can disable Dr. Konqui reports about kwin problems in Natty?  mgraesslin's getting a bit overwhelmed with dupes.
[19:40] <apachelogger> I can make .prn create moving pictures, I can do anything :D
[19:42] <apachelogger> OTOH I could also guide someone to do it...
[19:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: It would make mgraesslin happy if you could find a way he wouldn't be drowning in intel related dupes.
[19:43] <apachelogger> just intel related?
[19:43] <apachelogger> that is gonna be tricky
[19:44] <mgraesslin> kde bug 252817
[19:44] <apachelogger> turning off drkonqi for good is a no brainer, but only intel...
[19:45] <mgraesslin> but we get the crash from all distros to be honest
[19:46] <mgraesslin> we just got hit by the Ubuntu wave ;-)
[19:46] <mgraesslin> (always fun to see how you can notice distro releases in your bug reports)
[19:46] <apachelogger> stupid kubuntu having so many users :P
[19:47] <yofel> well, at least you can measure the user count like that :P
[19:47] <apachelogger> mgraesslin:  in phonon we do not notice, we tend to have good quality upstreams :P
[19:47] <yofel> well, users with intel cards
[19:47] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: 10.10 hit us badly because we fixed a crash a few days after 4.5.1 - we still get the duplicates for it ;-)
[19:48] <apachelogger> well, we could like digg into dr konqi and check the backtrace for duplication with $reference, if match just hide the report button or something
[19:48] <mgraesslin> that could work
[19:49] <apachelogger> a bit tricky though
[19:49] <mgraesslin> I still would like to get DrKonqui changed in a way to recognize if the driver crashes and redirect to bugs.freedesktop.org :-)
[19:49] <apachelogger> last time I looked at drkonqi I only saw a [] operator usage without first checking that a qlist actually had content
[19:49] <apachelogger> very eww
[19:49] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: now that would be awesome
[19:49] <apachelogger> more semantics for the debugger \o/
[19:50]  * mgraesslin is in front of the tv watching football
[19:51]  * apachelogger is watching jersey shore :D
[19:52] <debfx> apachelogger: we have a new pkg-kde-tools import branch \o/
[19:52] <debfx> I'll just delete the old ubuntu one if you don't mind
[19:52] <apachelogger> a new?
[19:53] <apachelogger> "ubuntu one"
[19:53]  * apachelogger giggles
[19:53] <apachelogger> you cannot delete ubuntu one, bro!
[19:53] <apachelogger> that isn't cool
[19:53] <apachelogger> debfx: does it work now?
[19:54] <debfx> lol
[19:54] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, the question is for how long
[19:54] <apachelogger> :O
[19:54] <apachelogger> wow
[19:54] <shadeslayer> wait ... u1 was supposed to work?
[19:54] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:54] <apachelogger> software that breaks when something changes on one well defined end
[19:55] <apachelogger> in the name of kent beck!
[19:55]  * apachelogger is not ever going to fall in love with the pyth0rnz
[19:55] <apachelogger> javaz ftw!
[19:57] <ScottK> I thought the definition of Ubuntu One working in Kubuntu was apachelogger got paid for his GSoC project.  By that standard I'd imagine it works great.
[19:57] <apachelogger> dude
[19:57] <apachelogger> it like works
[19:57] <apachelogger> it just isn't upstream
[19:58] <debfx> well then just fork it. ubuntu two?
[19:58] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact the notification part of my statusnotifier is pretty useless these days as new u1 actually (thanks to upstream cooperation) emits notifications from the syncdaemon directly
[19:58] <apachelogger> debfx: lolz
[19:59] <apachelogger> before I fork pyth0rnware kent beck himself needs to order me to do so
[19:59] <apachelogger> so never gonna happen
[20:00]  * apachelogger actually has a feeling that one day u1 will be usable on kyoubuntoo
[20:01] <apachelogger> blieve it or not, ubuntu-sso with GTK should be working form natty-proposed
[20:01] <apachelogger> it is like a miracle or something
[20:01] <apachelogger> progress at last
[20:01] <debfx> then it just needs to gain support for client-side encryption in order to be useful
[20:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: GSoC 2011 New Student Info: Tax Forms, Proof of Enrollment, and Welcome Packages
[20:01] <shadeslayer> go see
[20:01] <shadeslayer> now
[20:02] <debfx> ScottK: how is the cmake sponsoring going?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh and can you help me out with something?
[20:02] <ScottK> debfx: I completely forgot.
[20:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, is deadline like tomorrow?
[20:02] <ScottK> debfx: Where is it?
[20:02] <apachelogger> if not, it can like wait
[20:02] <shadeslayer> lolyeah
[20:02] <shadeslayer> The deadline to submit these forms is Friday, 20 May, 2011*
[20:02] <debfx> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.4+dfsg.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[20:02] <shadeslayer> nope
[20:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not even soon :P
[20:03] <shadeslayer> nope
[20:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: people were going all crazy ^^
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude .. need halp with KAction
[20:03]  * apachelogger is highly annoyed from the traffic on the gsoc list
[20:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is like qaction, just with a k
[20:03] <shadeslayer> true
[20:03] <apachelogger> sounds dirty, I know
[20:03] <shadeslayer> @_@
[20:04] <apachelogger> so
[20:04] <apachelogger> what is the prob
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/51169/
[20:04]  * apachelogger was about to watch skins
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/Bsewj.png
[20:05] <shadeslayer> for some reason my title and KLineEdit are not displayed :S
[20:06] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:06] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:06] <shadeslayer> i think i know why
[20:07] <apachelogger> well
[20:07] <ScottK> debfx: Done.
[20:07] <apachelogger> this code is all weird
[20:07] <debfx> ScottK: thanks
[20:07] <ScottK> debfx: Did you send the multiarch patch to Debian?  They'll need it soon.
[20:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why do you parent the klineedit to the button
[20:07] <apachelogger> like that is probaly not what you want to achieve
[20:07] <apachelogger> though I am not quite sure what your angle is actually
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've tried parenting it to the KAction, but that doesn't work
[20:07] <apachelogger> course not
[20:08] <apachelogger> it does not work like that
[20:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you want it in the menu?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> so what should i parent it to? ^_^
[20:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:08] <apachelogger> then you will probably have to overload kmenu
[20:08] <debfx> ScottK: Riddell forwarded it
[20:08] <shadeslayer> ouch
[20:08] <apachelogger> I do not think a kaction can hold a line edit by default
[20:08] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[20:08] <apachelogger> so you will have to overload kmenu and like inject it in the layout relative to the qactions
[20:08] <apachelogger> or kactions for that matter
[20:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd like to urge you to think about this though
[20:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what you are doing is sorta breaking the idiom
[20:09] <apachelogger> menus are not editable
[20:09] <apachelogger> if you insert an editable element into a menu that is confusing
[20:09] <shadeslayer> oh ... but it's for setting a custom status
[20:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'll probably rewrite the whole darn thing
[20:10] <shadeslayer> once i get more time
[20:10] <apachelogger> sure, I mean it depends on how you display stuff
[20:10] <shadeslayer> the current implementation is quite cluttered
[20:10] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:10] <apachelogger> but as it is now, where the klineedit would look like another action, it woudl be confusing
[20:10] <shadeslayer> they had radio buttons in there before i fixed stuff :3
[20:10] <apachelogger> if you can visually distinquish the lineedit from the actions that is sorta good
[20:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/0Xgpb.png
[20:11] <apachelogger> mind that mixing actions and editable stuff is still not quite the win situation
[20:11] <shadeslayer> i think it's distinguished
[20:11] <shadeslayer> using "Set Message .... "
[20:11] <apachelogger> what I'd do is like have a qaction that goes "custom status" and when you click it the element in teh menu actually gets replaced with the lineedit
[20:12] <apachelogger> that way you cleanly stick to the menu idiom while having your sorta compact setup for custom stuff
[20:12] <apachelogger> not terribly important as stage I suppose though ^^
[20:13] <shadeslayer> oh good idea
[20:13]  * shadeslayer will do that
[20:14] <apachelogger> groovy
[20:14]  * apachelogger goes back to skins then :P
[20:29] <yofel> debfx: are you going to merge kile? (you were the last uploader). If not I'll do it
[20:31] <debfx> yofel: feel free to do it, I don't have time for it at the moment
[20:31] <yofel> k
[20:31] <debfx> that reminds me, I wanted to upstream the dependency changes
[20:32] <debfx> yay, bzr didn't explode while merging the debian branch
[20:32] <debfx> success!
[21:16]  * bambee is watching "Kick-ass" => this movie rocks your socks! seriously...
[22:09] <apachelogger> sounds like .prn
[23:08] <apachelogger> !info phonon-backend-xine oneiric
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> jussi: ^
[23:08] <apachelogger> karp0tt
[23:09] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel: could one of you like file a removal request for that thing
[23:09] <apachelogger> that is me as upstream talking :P
[23:10] <debfx> why don't you, as downstream, file the request?
[23:10]  * apachelogger has a conflict of interest
[23:10] <apachelogger> just because I as upstream feel it needs to go, does not necessarily mean it is the right choice for ubuntu
[23:11] <Quintasan> LOL
[23:11] <Quintasan> debfx: make him do it
[23:11] <Quintasan> no matter what he says
[23:11]  * apachelogger is not going to do it
[23:12] <apachelogger> the occasional fix is as far as I'll go
[23:12] <Quintasan> You will do it apachelogger
[23:12] <debfx> well if you don't think it's good for ubuntu I'll deny your upstream request :P
[23:12]  * apachelogger does not have an ubuntu opinion on things he works on upstream
[23:13] <Quintasan> debfx: I really wonder how far can one advance without doing nothing :D
[23:13] <apachelogger> that never ever works out
[23:13] <apachelogger> look at any shit suse has worked on in the past
[23:13] <apachelogger> as soon as you work upstream and think about downstream it is gonna be shit for others
[23:14] <debfx> what's wrong with the xine backend anyway? unmaintained?
[23:14] <apachelogger> yep
[23:15] <Quintasan> debfx: apachelogger got lazy and went "wtf who care bout xine anyways?"
[23:15] <Quintasan> cares*
[23:15] <apachelogger> well, I was thinkin about giving it some attention (meaning try to get on issues *we* caused), no movement there, so I think unmaintained is the about the right word
[23:15] <Quintasan> See?
[23:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you want to maintain a badly concurrent system, be my guest
[23:16] <debfx> Quintasan: why don't you take of that? i'm busy playing minecraft with ~10 fps
[23:16] <Quintasan> no thanks
[23:16] <debfx> *take care
[23:16] <Quintasan> debfx: busy packaging stuff for Gluon and Telepathy-KDE
[23:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: do it ^^^^
[23:17] <Quintasan> debfx: That's how work distribution works
[23:17] <Quintasan> :D
[23:17] <apachelogger> that is how lazy works
[23:17] <apachelogger> debfx: what is the minecraft deal anyway
[23:17] <Quintasan> Said the laziest man out all of us - apachelogger
[23:17] <apachelogger> the pgst head developer is also all over that stuff
[23:17]  * apachelogger personally doesn't quite get it
[23:18] <apachelogger> then again I am also not into star craft 2 and get hatin from all sorts of people :D
[23:18] <Quintasan> Minecraft is overrated IMO
[23:18]  * Quintasan played it and got bored of it
[23:18] <debfx> it's the first half-decent game that runs on linux (at least if you consider 10 fps running), isn't that reason enough?
[23:19] <Quintasan> debfx: Heroes of Newerth?
[23:19] <apachelogger> debfx: that is what my kwin does, so :D
[23:19] <apachelogger> debfx: actually I found darwinia a jolly game
[23:19] <apachelogger> though I sorta hoped for a second part or something, you could do much more with the idea really
[23:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's nixternal, not apachelogger.
[23:20] <apachelogger> where is rich anyway
[23:21] <ScottK> Apparently lazy enough he forgot to /join.
[23:21] <debfx> Quintasan: sounds like an RPG which I don't really like
[23:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: Seriously? I always thought that apachelogger got all prizes in "The Lasiest Developer" category
[23:22] <ScottK> No.  Not even a contest.
[23:22] <debfx> apachelogger: never heard of it
[23:22] <apachelogger> debfx: should check it out
[23:22] <apachelogger> insanely short campaign, but the idea and impl is very neat
[23:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you realize membership disappears in like 3 clicks? :P
[23:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I ain't really bothered by not being in you Launchpad Fangroup
[23:24] <Quintasan> :P
[23:24] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I am not running for KC again
[23:24] <apachelogger> and I want non-developers on the council
[23:25] <Quintasan> We have people like that?
[23:25] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck, valorie ^^
[23:25] <Quintasan> hm DarkwingDuck
[23:25] <Quintasan> yeah
[23:25] <apachelogger> claydoh: ^
[23:25]  * valorie is as far from being a developer as one can get
[23:25] <claydoh> apachelogger: yes, master?
[23:25] <Quintasan> oh god.
[23:25] <claydoh> :)
[23:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Teach me.
[23:26]  * claydoh reads up
[23:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: How did you make claydoh call you "master"?!
[23:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: respect
[23:26] <abkde> Quintasan: someone just ordered a beer :D
[23:26] <claydoh> he sends me beers
[23:26] <apachelogger> and beer :D
[23:27] <Quintasan> abkde: I did!
[23:27] <claydoh> tho he doesn't remember that i don't ususally drink :D
[23:27] <Quintasan> beer
[23:27] <Quintasan> beer is the Drink of Gods
[23:27]  * claydoh definitely isn't a dev, but KC material, Idunno
[23:27] <apachelogger> actually guinness is
[23:27] <apachelogger> but whatever
[23:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Ain't Guinness a beer?
[23:28] <apachelogger> claydoh: pretty sure you'd be awesome on the KC
[23:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how dare you!!!!
[23:28]  * apachelogger notes that Quintasan just scored a beatin' at UDS
[23:28] <Quintasan> What the hell?
[23:28] <claydoh> apachelogger: i would try to, at least
[23:29] <apachelogger> grooviest
[23:31] <abkde> free beer for all kubuntu developers, Quintasan will pay ;)
[23:31] <Quintasan> No way lol
[23:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4274708600_891eba369a_o.jpg
[23:33] <apachelogger> apachelogger like payed half the kde drinks at the fosde beer event
[23:33] <apachelogger> such a nice chap he is
[23:33] <apachelogger> I like him
[23:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: We all like you
[23:37] <Quintasan> claydoh for KC
[23:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: poke
[23:38]  * apachelogger hugs Quintasan
[23:38] <apachelogger> no beatin for Quintasan after all ^^
[23:38]  * Quintasan hugs apachelogger back
[23:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: When are you going to show up @ UDS?
[23:38] <Quintasan> I mean, at what time approx.
[23:38] <apachelogger> still not settled
[23:38] <apachelogger> if you tell me to show up at 1300 I 'll be there
[23:39] <apachelogger> otherwise it will be either 1500 or 1700
[23:39] <Quintasan> I'll be there at 13 so,
[23:39] <Quintasan> well, whatever, we don't have to rush to go for a beer, do we?
[23:40] <apachelogger> depends on whether you can stay up longer than shadeslayer was able too :D
[23:40]  * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer
[23:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: stay up longer?
[23:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: talk to me in numbers bro
[23:41] <apachelogger> dunno, I think ScottK and I usually turned in at 2 or 3 or something
[23:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: first rule of UDS is 9 o'clock sharp starting
[23:42] <Riddell> second rule is work hard and play hard
[23:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: getting up == no problem
[23:42] <Quintasan> going to sleep == hard stuff
[23:43] <apachelogger> going to sleep on time to get up in time is hard, trust me
[23:43] <valorie> indeed
[23:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hell, like I don't know that already
[23:44]  * valorie managed it a couple of times though
[23:44]  * apachelogger usually got to breakfast at like 8:45 ^^
[23:44] <apachelogger> worked out fine though I must say
[23:44] <Quintasan> If I overdo stuff and have to get up early like today I set up three alarms
[23:44] <Quintasan> works.
[23:44] <valorie> it was impressive considering that you had already hit the gym and done your laundry
[23:45] <Quintasan> lol
[23:45] <apachelogger> valorie: and tanning
[23:46] <valorie> oh, I forgot
[23:46] <valorie> lol
[23:46] <apachelogger> you gotta stay fresh, man
[23:46] <apachelogger> like seriously
[23:46] <Quintasan> DUH
[23:46] <valorie> the tanning evidently didn't ...... take
[23:46] <Quintasan> it's bro
[23:46] <apachelogger> if you don't tan the package is off
[23:46] <Quintasan> not man
[23:46] <Quintasan> :P
[23:46] <Quintasan> s/bro/man
[23:46] <Quintasan> derp
[23:46] <Quintasan> :%s/man/bro
[23:46] <apachelogger> valorie: I am austrian
[23:46] <apachelogger> that is like german
[23:46] <apachelogger> the best I could hope for is looking like a lobster
[23:46] <apachelogger> :D
[23:47] <valorie> rofl
[23:47] <Quintasan> :D
[23:47]  * apachelogger winks at Nightrose
[23:47] <Quintasan> Should I take my awesome hat of not so awesome?
[23:47] <Quintasan> also apachelogger's gonna do Stepmania when he arrives
[23:48] <apachelogger> as long as I can fist pump I am down for it
[23:48] <valorie> Quintasan: I'm confused by the hat
[23:48] <apachelogger> valorie: oh you too...
[23:50]  * apachelogger continues watching skins while drinking some wine
[23:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WhXKb7HB6k
[23:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You're gonna dance to that
[23:51] <Quintasan> PROTIP: see lirycs
[23:51] <apachelogger> yo, bro, this is all messed up
[23:51] <apachelogger> you cannot fist pump to this
[23:51] <Quintasan> I know
[23:51] <Quintasan> That's why I downloaded it
[23:51] <Quintasan> fist pump? lol
[23:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: show me a song to which you can fist pump to
[23:52] <apachelogger> ask youtube, I am watchin skins
[23:53] <Quintasan> lol
[23:55] <Quintasan> FIST PUMP LIKE A CHAMP!
[23:57] <Quintasan> good night
[23:57] <Quintasan> like, three hours of sleep
[23:57] <Quintasan> I wonder if there is any sense in going
[23:57] <Quintasan> to bed
[23:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[23:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: in my experience, no
[23:58] <Quintasan> gonna read a book then
[23:58] <apachelogger> anything <4 hrs is worthless as you will be more tired after that
[23:59] <Quintasan> "War And Peace", here I go


[04:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:33] <ducasse> morning!
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:52] <CodFection> trump 2016
[15:18] <OerHeks> nacc, i want 3.12 ..
[15:18] <nacc> heh
[15:18] <OerHeks> :-D
[15:25] <nacc> in case folks haven't seen (not sure how widely broadcast) the support length of 16.04.x is changing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A16.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[15:25] <nacc> should mean we can just ask in #ubuntu are you on hwe or not
[15:25] <nacc> and it only means one thing (16.04.0/1/current)
[15:25] <nacc> although they have made it a bit more confusing by adding a few extra classes
[15:26] <nacc> so not only is there hwe-rolling (iirc, that's the naming, it might have changed again), there's also 'edge' which just follows the latest kernel available (meaning it would pick the 18.04 kernel early, aiui)
[15:27] <OerHeks> yeas, i have noticed the HWE troubles.. good point asking for HWE directly, saves a lot of time
[15:27] <nacc> it will, i think, be a lot less confusing than 14.04.x
[15:28] <OerHeks> i think it is pointless, using 14.04 + hwe, just upgrade to 16
[15:29] <OerHeks> but then again, systemD will be fun!
[15:29] <dax> systemd*
[15:33] <nacc> OerHeks: oh i agree, and with 16.04.1 out, at least now ther is just 14.04.0/1/5, i think it's mostly a good test of kernel compat *before* dist-upgrade
[17:34] <OerHeks> is this a hack attempt? * Received a malformed DCC request from BlackHat. or just a dcc ..
[17:37] <ducasse> with a nick like 'blackhat' he's probably a 12 year old kid who's been watching mr robot
[17:37] <dax> probably trying to use one of the incredibly out of date DCC exploits
[17:41] <BluesKaj> i think someone was talking about the same thing at ##linux the other day
[17:42] <BluesKaj> complaining actually
[17:43] <OerHeks> Yeah i had a feeling those attempts do not work. but not sure, thanks for answering.
[21:53] <Bashing-om> !info cron
[23:25] <daftykins> !info kodi trusty
[23:25] <daftykins> !info kodi


[01:23] <stoat> guys, got a small problem on a ppc laptop
[01:23] <stoat> trying to plug in a prism card. I'm getting error that there's no driver, it looks to be looking in wrong place
[01:24] <fbond> hello
[01:24] <fbond> how does build/linux-source-XXX/conf.vars get built?
[01:24] <fbond> anyone know?
[01:26] <fbond> i'm mostly interested in changing the value assigned to APPEND_TO_VERSION
[01:26] <fbond> but I can't figure out where to do that
[01:31] <fbond> nevermind, found it
[01:31] <fbond> I find asking others is sometimes the best self-motivation for finding the answer yourself
[01:31] <fbond> strange...
[09:18] <heatxsink_> hello all, anyone in here familar with mounting an ipod over firewire via a Sound Blaster Audigy's Firewire port?
[02:13] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[02:14] <fabbione> .12:
[02:14] <fabbione> Mar 14 13:30:46 baldios kernel: [4294673.021000]  Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 48 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[02:14] <fabbione> .15:
[02:14] <fabbione> Mar 14 13:35:21 baldios kernel: [4294669.419000]  Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[02:15] <fabbione> ^^ testing a fix for the poor guys, like me, that spend a day trying to figure why on earth they can't see their serial ports anymore
[03:23] <ppd> hello, are there any news about the lirc modules issue in dapper?
[03:42] <fabbione> BenC: please pull from me. update configs to fix a serial regression from .12
[03:45] <BenC> ok
[03:46] <ppd> again: will lirc-modules-source be fixed until the release?
[03:47] <zul> heylo
[03:49] <fabbione> BenC: thanks dude
[07:21] <ppd> hi. lirc sources cant be compiled with current dapper kernel. is that likely to be fixed until the release?
[07:25] <crimsun> as in upstream or lirc-modules-source/universe?
[07:26] <ppd> lirc-modules-source doesn't compile (bug already exists). upstream doesn't compile; complains about bttv being too old
[07:28] <crimsun> honest answer: It Depends.
[07:28] <crimsun> time is extremely tight for all of us
[07:29] <ppd> but it can't be that the whole infrared stuff doesn't work in a final release?!?!?
[07:30] <crimsun> if you have time, we welcome your debdiffs
[07:36] <ppd> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/5343
[07:36] <ppd> that's the bug
[08:03] <bddebian> Hey folks, sorry to barge in but I am having an issue booting a server install of Flight-5 on a Compaq Proliant ML350.  It hangs after Freeing initrd ram
[08:03] <bddebian> I have tried the following boot options:  acpi=off pci=noacpi noapic DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 BOOT_DEBUG=2
[09:21] <zul> no idea..you arent using any special devices to boot are you?
[09:22] <bddebian> Just a CD
[09:23] <zul> not sure..
[10:39] <bddebian> I don't know if anyone can help or cares, but I get pretty much the same thing booting Breezy:
[10:39] <bddebian> 4294668.821000 ACPI: Looking for DSDT... not found!
[10:39] <bddebian> 4294668.921000 not found!
[10:39] <bddebian> Hang
[10:50] <bddebian> I'm following you jbailey :-)
[10:50] <jbailey> bddebian: Sure. =)
[10:50] <jbailey> Stalker.
[10:50] <bddebian> :-)
[10:51] <bddebian> jbailey: Since you don't want to look at my ugly code, how are you at troubleshooting my boot problem? :-)
[10:51] <jbailey> bddebian: I'm on the phone with a client at the moment, dude.
[10:51] <bddebian> Oh, sorry
[10:55] <zul> i think you might have to pay jeff :)
[10:59] <bddebian> OK
[11:00] <bddebian> :-
[11:00] <bddebian> )
[11:01] <jbailey> Only in sexual favours, though.
[11:01] <jbailey> Got to make it good.
[11:01] <zul> somehow i knew you were going to say that
[11:01] <jbailey> Ugh.  The pilates class I want to take is in 30m.
[11:01] <jbailey> I don't think I'll be off this call.
[11:01] <jbailey> Ah well.
[11:05] <zul> do you have like a headset to use?
[11:05] <jbailey> It's in the shop. =(
[11:05] <jbailey> I need to go pick it up today.
[11:05] <zul> ah..


[00:44] <`mOOse`> ahhh
[00:47] <`mOOse`> there's this nifty lil pgm called mountmanager that's a gui for editing fstab
[00:47] <`mOOse`> fair warning - it doesn't save a backup before it replaces your current fstab, but it does a pretty good job
[00:47] <`mOOse`> if you're a tard like me anyway
[00:48] <`mOOse`> also figured out it was something in the SCIM that was messing with my right ALT key
[00:48] <`mOOse`> not that works again
[00:48]  * `mOOse` is happy :-)
[01:54] <xonomi> Does anyone have experience using encrypted disks with Xubuntu?
[01:55] <xonomi> In Ubuntu, when I connect an encrypted disk, a window appears to ask me for my passphase, but it does not happen in Xubuntu.
[02:08] <mhall119> mr_pouit, if you could ping me when you're around, I could really use some help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfce4util/+bug/327926
[03:13] <pdg1_> hey... I figured out how to share files via SMB on Xubuntu. but is there some kind of smb client or does Thunar allow you to send files through SMB?
[06:35] <robert__> i wonder what lucid will look like
[06:42] <becker_11> I have just connected a digi camera to my xubuntu how can I find it's file system from the commandline
[06:45] <becker_11> I guess what I'm asking is how can I find unmounted filesystems that don't appear in my fstab file??
[07:01] <Balsaq> yellow T
[07:06] <psycho_oreos> becker_11, sudo fdisk -l
[07:07] <psycho_oreos> usually its mounted into /media directory if theres HAL and I think automountd in place
[07:10] <_Techie_> Balsaq, i recustomised my desktop interface... you might like it
[07:10] <Balsaq> cool lets see
[07:11] <_Techie_> uploading pic now
[07:11] <_Techie_> its not ubuntu or linux
[07:11] <_Techie_> but its nice though
[07:11] <Balsaq> i'm ttolin around with a new lapper as we speak
[07:11] <_Techie_> http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/xperiment62/desktop_techie.jpg
[07:12] <_Techie_> ooh, new lappy   very nice
[07:12] <Balsaq> wow 3d or something
[07:12] <_Techie_> 3d desktop on right screen
[07:12] <Balsaq> is that one of those 3d plasma desktops?
[07:12] <_Techie_> nah
[07:12] <_Techie_> its bumptop
[07:13] <Balsaq> thats really wild
[07:13] <Balsaq> compiz or something?
[07:13] <_Techie_> quite awhile back i was in the private beta
[07:13] <_Techie_> http://bumptop.com/
[07:13] <_Techie_> not sure if theres a linux version though
[07:14] <pops_> Hi, all. Got a problem with a fresh install of Xubuntu 9.10, followed by applying all updates. Had to shut down after a power sag triggered my UPS. When I rebooted, I'd lost all visible signs of XFCE other than the wallpaper. No menu bar or property bar. Vsm
[07:14] <Balsaq> got a i5 with 4gigs of ram and 32 hd
[07:14] <pops_> Vsm
[07:14] <Balsaq> 320 hd
[07:14] <pops_> Can't seem to find any information on how to restore the two bars. I'm able to run apps using Alt+F2. Any enlightened assistance appreciated.
[07:15] <_Techie_> !panel
[07:15] <_Techie_> man i love ubottu
[07:17] <Balsaq> he/she is cool
[07:17] <_Techie_> it has no gender, it is a god
[07:19] <pops_> Thanks much ubottu. That did the trick. I've bookmarked the page you linked. Looking forward to learning the ins and outs of XFCE.
[07:19] <psycho_oreos> !bot | ubottu
[07:19] <Balsaq> that is the 2nd person who had that problem lateley
[07:19] <_Techie_> it happens all the time
[07:20] <_Techie_> ive stopped counting
[07:20] <Balsaq> i know
[07:20] <Balsaq> i thought with open source stuff like that got fixed quick?
[07:20] <psycho_oreos> be thankful there's infobots for that matter, they save a hell lot of repetitive tasks or huge bookmarks, etc :)
[07:20] <_Techie_> well its not actually a problem in xfce or anything
[07:21] <_Techie_> its not constant and only happens to the occasional user for no apparant reason
[07:21] <Balsaq> i suppose my day is coming...been lucky...904 has been perfect for me.
[07:21] <psycho_oreos> ditto
[07:22] <_Techie_> 9.04 is perfect
[07:22] <_Techie_> extremely reliable
[07:22] <_Techie_> easy to manage
[07:22] <psycho_oreos> I hope the LTS version will do the same as it did for 9.04
[07:22] <_Techie_> 9.10 on the other hand is very buggy due to the fact that they tried to cram alot of unneeded stuff in
[07:22] <Balsaq> i hope someone can help me do a dual HD install on this new lapper cause i just don't get it....and i wont run 7 on the net
[07:23] <Balsaq> all my buntu stuff is normally alone on a hd...but on this new one i want to leace 7 on it...just not for the internet
[07:24] <_Techie_> why not for the internet?
[07:24] <psycho_oreos> distrust ;)
[07:24] <_Techie_> lol
[07:24] <Balsaq> just have no faith in explorer or windows on the net...except for my xp pro
[07:24] <_Techie_> firefox =)
[07:25] <Balsaq> i know but it still runs under explorer
[07:25] <`mOOse`> lame
[07:25] <`mOOse`> what - you got fbi filez or something?
[07:25] <_Techie_> also 7 has been proven to be extremely reliable when it comes to safe internet connectivity
[07:25] <Balsaq> it has?
[07:25] <_Techie_> yeah
[07:25] <_Techie_> installed a virus checker on my mates pc
[07:25] <_Techie_> he woulda been runnign 7 for over 3 months easy
[07:26] <Balsaq> hmmm
[07:26] <_Techie_> no viruses, clean as a whistle
[07:26] <Balsaq> well i have been able to keep my xp pro clean..but then again i run 3 protective programs on it
[07:27] <Balsaq> my xubuntu has zero programs and is clean as it was when it was new
[07:27] <`mOOse`> um
[07:27] <_Techie_> with 7 just run AVG scane it every few months
[07:27] <`mOOse`> xp was a rats nest of infection
[07:27] <`mOOse`> 7 is worlds better
[07:27] <Balsaq> i just uninstalled the norton trial
[07:27] <`mOOse`> norton?
[07:27] <Balsaq> havent even let it on the net yet
[07:27] <_Techie_> you let norton near your pc
[07:28] <`mOOse`> and you're worried about viri?
[07:28] <Balsaq> it was in there as freeware
[07:28] <`mOOse`> omg
[07:28] <Balsaq> it came with it
[07:28] <_Techie_> if norton was  installed, i suggest you incenerate the machine now
[07:28] <Balsaq> is gone now
[07:28] <_Techie_> you might also want to give your hands a good wash
[07:28] <Balsaq> and i havent let it on the internet yet...which is why i am about to put xubuntu on it as a dual boot
[07:29] <_Techie_> do you have the win7 dvd's?
[07:29] <Balsaq> i had to make all my own recovery disks
[07:29] <_Techie_> cool
[07:29] <Balsaq> and yes i did it
[07:29] <Balsaq> why deos everyone hate norton?
[07:30] <_Techie_> as long as your able to recover 7 if the *buntu installer fucks up
[07:30] <_Techie_> norton is a virus in itself
[07:30] <Balsaq> the trial thing wa torturing me
[07:30] <_Techie_> it will end up hijacking your system
[07:30] <Balsaq> so iwhacked it
[07:30] <Balsaq> i ams tiing here now tweaking all the junk now
[07:30] <Balsaq> has a tons of garbadge ware on it
[07:31] <_Techie_> lol, to be expected
[07:31] <Balsaq> think i killed it all
[07:31] <`mOOse`> norton has a long history of fucking plenty of machines up
[07:31] <`mOOse`> it's legion
[07:31] <Balsaq> yup
[07:31] <Balsaq> i hear it all the time'
[07:31] <`mOOse`> so why did you ask then
[07:31] <`mOOse`> it's a pos
[07:31] <Balsaq> i am gooing for either avg, avira or avast
[07:31] <_Techie_> `mOOse`, in the end, the machine isnt yours... its norton's your just using it
[07:31] <`mOOse`> avg used to viable, until rev 8
[07:31] <`mOOse`> forget it now
[07:32] <`mOOse`> avast is good but keep up with the updates on the torrents
[07:32] <Balsaq> i have avast on this computer
[07:32] <_Techie_> AVG is still ery viable as a free virus checker
[07:32] <Balsaq> it updates itself
[07:32] <`mOOse`> avg is now huge bloatware
[07:32] <`mOOse`> which is why I recommend against it
[07:32] <Balsaq> no sht?
[07:32] <`mOOse`> no shit
[07:32] <Balsaq> wow
[07:32] <`mOOse`> used to be the one to use
[07:32] <Balsaq> used to everyones fav
[07:33] <`mOOse`> yep
[07:33] <`mOOse`> no longer
[07:33] <`mOOse`> avast or avira
[07:33] <`mOOse`> I use avast
[07:33] <Balsaq> again..this is why i want xubuntu on here...use it for the internet
[07:34] <Balsaq> can you imagine xubuntu on a dual caore i5 with 4g ram?
[07:34] <_Techie_> even better, can you imagine DSL
[07:34] <Balsaq> i have puppy disk....but i like xub
[07:35] <Balsaq> even ubu would run fast on this
[07:35] <_Techie_> i was trying xUbuntu on my xbox but it didnt work =(
[07:35] <_Techie_> and i do believe my Sata - Pata converter has died on me
[07:35] <Balsaq> ouch
[07:35] <_Techie_> oh well
[07:36] <psycho_oreos> they usually don't last long, don't ask me why
[07:36] <_Techie_> ordered another one for $5 NZD
[07:36] <Balsaq> gives you a valid reason to buy more....
[07:36] <psycho_oreos> heh
[07:36] <_Techie_> yay ebay
[07:37] <_Techie_> 5 New Zealand dollars = 3.5055 U.S. dollars
[07:37] <_Techie_> thats including postage from hong kong
[07:37] <Balsaq> hmmm, now how do i go on the net to install avast when i have no norton?
[07:37] <_Techie_> grab another pc
[07:37] <_Techie_> and a USB stick
[07:37] <Balsaq> ohhh i do have one
[07:37] <Balsaq> but cant i just go to a secure site and gamble?
[07:38] <_Techie_> go ahead
[07:38] <_Techie_> you wont get a virus
[07:38] <Balsaq> would you?
[07:38] <_Techie_> i run xp
[07:38] <Balsaq> i did it like that on the xp computer
[07:38] <_Techie_> i got balls of steel
[07:38] <Balsaq> i got back ups!
[07:38] <_Techie_> i dont
[07:39] <Balsaq> even made a repair dvd
[07:39] <Balsaq> and a driver dvd
[07:39] <Balsaq> well i guess its time... i tweaked herwith all of my knowledge...which aint a lot
[07:40] <_Techie_> if you really wanna have some fun with that lappy bal, start a honeypot
[07:40] <Balsaq> hey i know how to install FF without being under the guise of explorer...thru command promt!
[07:41] <Balsaq> just not in the mood...just got outta work
[07:41] <Balsaq> just tell me ie8 is secure....even if its a lie
[07:42] <_Techie_> its actually pretty secure, not fully stable... but secure
[07:42] <Balsaq> is it as secure as FF...i checked all the secure boxes i could find
[07:42] <_Techie_> its as secure as FF on default settings
[07:42] <Balsaq> default?
[07:43] <Balsaq> i changed a few of those?
[07:43] <_Techie_> youll be fine
[07:43] <Balsaq> like the one...save encrypted..da da da
[07:43] <_Techie_> honestly doesnt make a difference
[07:43] <Balsaq> and i made it like private browsing too
[07:43] <_Techie_> just download avast and firefox
[07:44] <Balsaq> brb....
[07:45] <Balsaq> when iget this done i want you to tell me how to ge tthat wild desktop
[07:45] <Balsaq> brb
[07:45] <_Techie_> lol
[07:46] <_Techie_> ive got an older version due to reasons this channel does not support
[07:46] <_Techie_> but you can just go to their site and download the non pro version for free
[07:56] <Balsaq> wow wont let me install ff in the command prompt...1st time i ever failed at that? must have something to do wit h7?
[07:56] <Balsaq> have to do it online i guess
[07:58] <_Techie_> if you wanna install it via command your gonna have to do so as admin
[07:58] <Balsaq> well i went ahead to cnet...doing avast now
[08:04] <Balsaq> maybe ill gice IE one final chance...
[08:04] <Balsaq> gice=give
[08:07] <`mOOse`> what are you a masochist?
[08:08] <Balsaq> this install is like walking thru a minefield....
[08:09] <`mOOse`> wonder why...you sound like joan rivers
[08:10] <_Techie_> ima watch POTC3
[08:10] <_Techie_> ill be on my bed with IRC on my right screen
[08:10] <_Techie_> spam my name if im needed
[08:16] <_Techie_> `mOOse`, from what land do ye' hail?
[08:17] <`mOOse`> ny
[08:18] <`mOOse`> almost canukia
[08:20] <Balsaq> is that near nutsaak?
[08:21] <`mOOse`> close enough
[08:21] <`mOOse`> just across the lake actually
[09:52] <_Techie_> why must i be so horrible with gimp
[09:53] <TheSheep> you don't love it enough
[09:56] <_Techie_> anyway, goodnight #Xubuntu
[09:56] <_Techie_> i shall see you in the glorious morrow day
[09:57] <_Techie_> hrmm
[09:57] <_Techie_> before i go
[09:57] <_Techie_> anyone here dabble in 3d modeling?
[09:59] <_Techie_> guess not, ill ask tommorow
[12:06] <Balsaq> its a long way, to the top if you wanna rock-n-roll!
[12:47] <Goliath> how can i convert a mp4 file to xvid?
[12:49] <ablomen> Goliath, dunno about gui tools, but mencoder can convert everything, its complicated though, so i would google for mp4 to xvid mencoder
[12:49] <ablomen> vlc can also do it btw, but i have not converted anything with it without loss of quality
[13:37] <xubuntuuser> hi.
[13:38] <Pres-Gas> hello
[13:38] <xubuntuuser> im playing around with xubuntu by 2 days and i cant figure out how to use it
[13:39] <xubuntuuser> i can install something like windows exploler?
[13:39] <bazhang> thunar?
[13:39] <xubuntuuser> what is thunar?
[13:39] <bazhang> !info thunar
[13:39] <Pres-Gas> !thunar
[13:39] <Pres-Gas> LOL, bazhang
[13:40] <xubuntuuser> thunar has no panel amirite?
[13:40] <xubuntuuser> i see that this sucks
[13:40] <xubuntuuser> im going back to solaris
[13:40] <Pres-Gas> xubuntuuser, the desktop environment that xubuntu is based on, xfce is modular...
[13:40] <xubuntuuser> i think it will overtake linux
[13:41] <TheSheep> sure, good luck, have fun
[13:41] <bazhang> aha
[13:41] <Pres-Gas> Good job with the patience factor, xubuntuuser
[13:41] <xubuntuuser> thesheep are you using windows?
[13:41] <TheSheep> !welcome | xubuntuuser
[13:42] <xubuntuuser> this channel is too empty to be an official one
[13:42] <xubuntuuser> i see that no one uses xubuntu
[13:43] <xubuntuuser> bazhang i added you yesterday on onionpedo
[13:43] <xubuntuuser> in my friends list
[13:44] <bazhang> xubuntuuser, did you have a xubuntu support question? chat in #xubuntu-offtopic please
[13:45] <xubuntuuser> bazhang why you so ignorant?
[13:45] <mr_pouit> xubuntuuser: which part of "If you'd like to chit-chat, please visit #xubuntu-offtopic" is not clear?
[13:46] <xubuntuuser> i dont chit-chat
[13:46] <xubuntuuser> bazhang wants to hide that he`s on onionpedo
[13:46] <xubuntuuser> good times bazhang,not?
[13:47] <xubuntuuser> bazhang,99chan admins told me that they banned you
[13:47] <xubuntuuser> because you posted delicious loli
[13:48] <Pres-Gas> *sigh*
[13:48]  * Pres-Gas drinks more coffee
[15:57] <zerothis> karmic is freezing. details <http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8758423#post8758423>
[15:58] <zerothis> i'm using ircII in console at the moment
[16:00] <TheSheep> zerothis: anything in dmesg or /var/log/xorg.log ?
[16:02] <zerothis> checking log now
[16:06] <zerothis> what am i looking for in the logs (Xorg.#.log) there's 24 of them
[16:07] <TheSheep> the one with the lowest number is from the most recent attempt to run X
[16:08] <TheSheep> pick one where it hung and look at the end
[16:12] <zerothis> well I do not see any error messages in logs. dmesg has a lot of "requested width/height is greater that fb i see no error messages in the logs. dmesg has alot of "requested width/height is greater than current fb (#### > 1024)
[16:15] <TheSheep> not sure if it's important, looks harmless
[16:16] <zerothis> i guess i'll mention that the log on screen is up right now. i can switch to and from it with freezing
[16:18] <zerothis> wait, those Xorg logs are all from last year anyway. so no new logs
[16:18] <TheSheep> O.o
[16:21] <zerothis> oh, there is an error with alacarte in demsg. [3538] segfalt at blah blah blah
[16:22] <TheSheep> isn't that a menu editor?
[16:22] <TheSheep> for gnome?
[16:22] <TheSheep> !info alacarte
[16:23] <zerothis> optional eh? apt-get wants to remove ubuntu-desktop along with it
[16:25] <TheSheep> anyways, I don't think it's related
[16:25] <zerothis> perhaps i can just delete the alacarte config/settings files?
[16:26] <TheSheep> it doesn't matter, I don't think it's what causes the trouble
[16:28] <`mOOse`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/366932/   Anybody care to look this over and tell me if it looks ok for Xbuntu? I stole it from my Suse install because I accidentally nuked the one I had in Xbuntu. I'm running Xbuntu on a USB flashdrive on my laptop, and those XP and Win7 entries are my hd - I'm mostly concerned about the boot and and root portion of the fstab. Thanks
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Is it normal for usb to force fs check to run each time it restarts?
[16:32] <`mOOse`> that was how Yast set it
[16:32] <`mOOse`> the debug stuff is ok you think?
[16:33] <zerothis> demsg "render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010" "[drm:i915_handle_error] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking" then render error repeats
[16:38] <TheSheep> i915
[16:38] <TheSheep> ouch
[16:38] <TheSheep> I hate Intel
[16:39] <TheSheep> zerothis: I suppose now you google for that error :/
[16:39]  * charlie-tca was thinking that, too
[16:39] <TheSheep> zerothis: and see if somebody has any workaround
[16:39] <TheSheep> also,
[16:39] <TheSheep> !bugs | zerothis
[16:42] <zerothis> so what package does the i915 error apply to? X ?
[16:43] <Carnophage> zerothis: xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[16:45] <zerothis> I actually have an 82845G/GL, perhaps the i915 'drivers' are no longer useful in karmic?
[16:46]  * zerothis is sad that intel drivers are fully opensource yet everybody likes ATI and NVIDIA which are not as open
[16:47] <highvoltage> ATI and Nvidia cards are getting there though. the radeon cards have nice open source drivers
[16:47] <highvoltage> nvidia is getting there
[16:48] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#No%20Xv%20support%20for%20Intel%2082852/855GM%20video%20chips%20with%20KMS
[16:48] <charlie-tca> If you have the 82845G/GL, there are known issues with it. Might check launchpad for already filed bugs
[16:49] <zerothis> yes, but it sends a bad message. thanks but no thanks for bing opensource and open hardware, we are dropping you from our distro. we need to concentrait all our efforts on the proprietary companies and hardware
[16:50] <zerothis> so, my grub menu dissapeared. how do I boot to jaunty again?
[16:50] <TheSheep> zerothis: hold down shift
[16:51]  * zerothis proceeds to cry and reboot
[16:52] <charlie-tca> hit the shift key when you see grub ..., it should bring up the grub menu
[17:44] <ingebrigt> hi, I'm having problems with firefox crashing on xubuntu 9.10
[17:46] <TheSheep> !welcome | ingebrigt
[17:48] <`mOOse`> what version ingebrigt
[17:49] <ingebrigt> of firefox? 3.5.7
[17:49] <`mOOse`> dunno then - 3.6 has been problematic for a lot of ppl
[17:49] <`mOOse`> was thinking maybe you had upgraded to it
[17:50] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: without more details it's really hard to help you
[17:51] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: maybe try running it from a terminal and see if it prints any errors when crashing
[17:51] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: also, does it happen when you do something specififc or randomly
[17:51] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: can you reliably reproduce it, or is it unexpected
[17:51] <ingebrigt> the browser will hang, maybe once or twice a day, system monitor claims that process is 'uninterruptible' or 'sleeping'
[17:51] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: did you do something just before that started happening?
[17:52] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: so it doesn't crash, it hangs, ok
[17:52] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: anything related in your ~/.xsessionerrors file?
[17:52] <ingebrigt> seems totally random and semi-hangs down the system,
[17:53] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: it would be great if you could get it to hang and then examine a copule of things
[17:54] <ingebrigt> you would have to give me instructions in advance, I really cant predict the hangs :-)
[17:54] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: like if it uses up all available memory, or if there is space left in your home directory, and what files it has open, and what extensions you have installed
[17:55] <ingebrigt> does not eat memory, brand new system, noew hardware
[17:55] <TheSheep> you can check the memory in the system monitor, free space with the 'df -h' command, open files with 'lsof | grep firefox'
[17:55] <ingebrigt> I have innstaled restricted extras and tree-tab
[17:56] <TheSheep> have you looked into .xsessionerrors file?
[17:56] <TheSheep> that's where the messages from applications run from menu are logged
[17:58] <ingebrigt> can't seem to find it, bear with me. quite inexperienced with linux
[17:59] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: in thuner, select 'view' from menu and enable 'show hidden files'
[17:59] <TheSheep> thunar*
[17:59] <TheSheep> sorry
[18:00] <TheSheep> all files and directories with the name starting with a period are hidden on linux by default
[18:00] <ingebrigt> yes, I tried in terminal and missed the - in the middle of the filename
[18:01] <TheSheep> ah, sorry
[18:01] <TheSheep> forgot about it
[18:02] <ingebrigt> (firefox:1849): GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times
[18:02] <TheSheep> that's just a warning
[18:02] <ingebrigt> is the only reference to firefox I can see
[18:03] <TheSheep> do you have the flashplugin installed?
[18:03] <ingebrigt> yes,
[18:04] <TheSheep> maybe consider using flashblock to not run zillions of flash banners on every page
[18:04] <TheSheep> you'd be able to isolate the crash more easily if it's related to flash then too -- you'd get the crash only when enabling a flash animation
[18:05] <ingebrigt> ok, I'll try that, thanks
[18:05] <TheSheep> with anything else I guess we need to wait until it hangs again
[18:06] <ingebrigt> I'll check back with you
[18:08] <ingebrigt> thanks for your patience
[19:46] <skrite> ello all
[19:47] <eXpl0i7> hello
[19:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> hello
[19:47] <Hezy_> Hi
[20:01] <skrite> does xubuntu-desktop install a different kernel than i would get from ubuntu-server?
[20:02] <Pres-Gas> skrite, yes, but so would ubuntu-desktop.
[20:04] <Pres-Gas> skrite, here is the different kernels available for just 9.10: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image
[20:26] <skrite> Pres-Gas, thanks
[20:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> Has Xubuntu something silimar to the "hardware manager" in Windows XP?
[20:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> any program which shows you your hardware?
[20:42] <TheSheep> Sachse_Siechtum: lshw
[20:42] <TheSheep> Sachse_Siechtum: in terminal
[20:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> terminal command?
[20:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[20:42] <TheSheep> it's pretty detailed
[20:42] <TheSheep> run it with sudo for better results
[20:43] <TheSheep> sudo lshw | less
[20:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah I guessed...
[20:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> thanks :-) a friend of mine asked me this
[20:44] <TheSheep> you can also do 'less /proc/cpuinfo' and '/proc/meminfo'
[20:44] <Sysi-> you shouldn't need less with graphical terminal
[20:45] <Sysi-> on local machine i mean
[20:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[20:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> so there is only text output on hardware?
[20:48] <TheSheep> there are some gui programs that do pretty much the same thing, but you don't need them
[20:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> well...its not for me. *g*
[20:48] <TheSheep> http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/archives/173-GUI-Thursday-lshw-gui-Browse-hardware-info.html
[20:57] <ingebrigt> TheSheep, I've just had firefox hang again, no new information that seems relevant in .xsession-errors, installed karma blocker and blocked all flashes except those I actively use, only flash driven site open were rockauto.com (at least I think its flash) which were just sitting in the background
[20:58] <jarnos> Anybody knows good converter for audio files?
[20:59] <jarnos> It should retain audio tags.
[21:00] <TheSheep> jarnos: I use soundconverter, but no idea about tags
[21:00] <TheSheep> jarnos: it just worked for me
[21:01] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: can you pastebin those relevant logs?
[21:02] <ingebrigt> pardon me for being thick, pastebin?
[21:02] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[21:02] <ingebrigt> !pastebin .xsession-errors1
[21:02] <anom01y> is there anyway to have scheduled tasks in Xubuntu ?  I would like to kill my email client every 10 minutes
[21:03] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: you have to go to that website, copy-and paste the text and give us the url
[21:03] <anom01y> maybe compiz..
[21:03] <mr_pouit> anom01y: with 'orage' maybe?
[21:03] <TheSheep> anom01y: cron, but why would you do that?
[21:03] <charlie-tca> anom01y: why not just turn it off?
[21:03] <jarnos> TheSheep: I have used it too, and it is easy to use, but I have found that gstreamer based converters produce flac files that you can not random access by alsaplayer.
[21:04] <TheSheep> jarnos: maybe you can add the index to them later
[21:04] <jarnos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395895
[21:04] <jarnos> TheSheep: I wish so.
[21:04] <ingebrigt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/367074/
[21:05] <charlie-tca> jarnos: I used ripperx, but I don't know if it retains tags
[21:06] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: looks like output from some java plugin from your bank
[21:06] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: probably not an error
[21:06] <ingebrigt> thats what I tought
[21:07] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: how about memory and/or open filesw?
[21:07] <TheSheep> ingebrigt: do you have it still hanging?
[21:07] <jarnos> charlie-tca: asunder does, but I don't want to rip cds again, I just want to convert them from flac to flac by a proper converter or to add an index.
[21:07] <ingebrigt> no, had to restart computer to get on IRC, most of the system hangs with firefox
[21:08] <TheSheep> maybe something in /var/log/messages.1
[21:08] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:09] <TheSheep>  /var/log/syslog.1
[21:13] <ingebrigt> what exsactly would I be looking for there??
[21:14] <TheSheep> look at the end
[21:15] <TheSheep> disk corruption messages, memory corruption?
[21:15] <TheSheep> anything that looks alarming
[21:18] <dunnagur101> anybody know anything about kernal errors?
[21:18] <ingebrigt> nope, cant find any corruption
[21:20] <ingebrigt> TheSheep last entries in syslog before forced restart seems to be wifi related
[21:21] <TheSheep> so that's not it
[21:21] <TheSheep> you do have free space on your disk?
[21:22] <TheSheep> and there is nothing non-standard in your setup, like a network-mounted home directory?
[21:23] <ingebrigt> yes, free space aplenty, virgin xubuntu 9.10 form live-usb, brand new hardware, I did however just find som general protection errors in the syslog
[21:24] <TheSheep> general protection error means that some application tried to access memory outside of its alocated area
[21:24] <TheSheep> usually
[21:25] <ingebrigt> could that semi-freeze the system?
[21:25] <TheSheep> it often means an error in the application or corrupted binaries
[21:26] <ingebrigt> last sysfs file: /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT1/present
[21:27] <ingebrigt> or something similar follows each protection error
[21:53] <samuraicrow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/NonGraphicalBoot doesn't seem to work on Xubuntu 9.10.  Can somebody tell me how to get a text-based login prompt?
[21:54] <TheSheep> samuraicrow: press alt+ctrl+f1
[21:54] <p0a> Hello I booted to xubuntu today and the top bar is missing
[21:54] <TheSheep> !panel
[21:55] <p0a> the bottom thing also disappeared
[21:55] <p0a> is it the same issue?
[21:55] <TheSheep> yes
[21:55] <p0a> thanks sheep :-]
[21:55] <Sysi-> that's too common :/
[21:55] <samuraicrow> @TheSheep:  I meant without starting X server at all.
[21:56] <TheSheep> samuraicrow: then I don't know
[21:59] <ochosi> samuraicrow, remove gdm?
[21:59] <samuraicrow> I'm trying to, yes.
[22:06] <samuraicrow> The idea is that I have to pass some custom parameters to startx when I first boot.
[22:11] <samuraicrow> ochosi:  What do you suggest?
[22:11] <ochosi> well, what happened after removing gdm?
[22:11] <samuraicrow> I rebooted...  and it booted the X server as normal.
[22:11] <ochosi> that's somewhat surprising
[22:12] <samuraicrow> I don't know if the script failed or what the deal was.
[22:12] <ochosi> without gdm (or any alternative desktop-manager) you should land at the login prompt at some tty
[22:13] <samuraicrow> The fact that I'm running it under VirtualBox shouldn't matter, should it?
[22:15] <ochosi> good question, never tried that
[22:15] <ochosi> so do you have some startup script that runs startx already in place or did you just remove gdm?
[22:16] <samuraicrow> I just removed gdm.  I'll try again in case I mistyped something.
[22:20] <samuraicrow> Same thing.  After typing the script entry from option 3, sudo init 6 just rebooted into the X server as normal.
[22:23] <samuraicrow> typing "sudo pkill Xorg" just logged me out and took me back to the graphical login.
[22:25] <ochosi> you still have a graphical login *after* uninstalling gdm?
[22:25] <samuraicrow> Yes.
[22:25] <knome> maybe you have kdm, or some other graphical login manager
[22:26] <ochosi> are you possibly using a ro environment like a live-cd/usbstick?
[22:26] <samuraicrow> I installed it to an emulated hard drive.
[22:27] <samuraicrow> I've got no USB stick in the slots.
[22:29] <samuraicrow> I'm just using Xubuntu 9.10 as installed to the emulated hard drive under VirtualBox from the liveCD ISO image.  The ISO image is no longer mounted.
[22:36] <samuraicrow> The XServer simply refuses to die!  I'm typing from the ctrl-alt-f1 console and I keep typing sudo pkill XOrg and it simply takes me back to the graphical login again.
[22:37] <samuraicrow> Using ps to find the pid reveals that the XServer is simply restarting all of its own accord.
[22:46] <samuraicrow> After physically removing gdm with the package manager, I can now do what I intended.
[22:48] <jarnos> TheSheep: I can use flac to re-encode with tags :)
[22:51] <samuraicrow> Ok.  Thanks for your help, everybody!
[23:09] <aberhow> is there a way I can run a program and tell it to spawn in a certain workspace on my second monitor
[23:09] <charlie-tca> devilspie works great for me
[23:10] <aberhow> heh
[23:10] <aberhow> any way of doing it with what's available on a default xubuntu install?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> not that I know of, although sometimes saving the session will allow applications to start in the workspace they were in when the last session ended.
[23:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> How can I change my default file manager? right now I have thunar as default, but just discovered nautilus much better fitting my needs.
[23:11] <charlie-tca> It depends on the application itself. Not all of them behave that way
[23:16] <aberhow> ok thanks charlie-tca
[23:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> problem solved
[23:38] <xubuntu> hello
[23:38] <xubuntu> anybody there?
[23:38] <knome> !anybody
[23:39] <xubuntu> Does anybody know how to stop xubuntu from asking me for a password every time i start the machine up so it can connect to the internet?
[23:40] <knome> the magic three minutes.
[23:45] <charlie-tca> Seems more like one there


[00:01] <paultag> irssi is great
[00:02] <Unit193> rnotify.pl++, as well as the others I use. :P
[00:10] <Cheri703> well, I liked that xchat had channel notifications, but it doesn't do core/client
[00:10] <Unit193> ZNC?
[00:10] <Unit193> I'm not going to lie, I'm going to miss my server...
[00:14] <canthus13> Unit193: you should practice your marksmanship.
[00:14] <Unit193> Hah, wrong type. :)
[00:15] <canthus13> Aww.
[00:15] <Unit193> Yep, it's going away September. :(
[00:16] <canthus13> bummer.
[00:16]  * canthus13 just picked up 2 rack mount servers. :)
[00:17] <Unit193> Nice, they good I'd guess?
[00:23] <canthus13> they're old, but run well. a compaq DL380 G3 dual 1.4ghz P3s with a SCSI raid array and a DL320 Celeron D 2.93ghz G4 that needs drives
[00:24] <canthus13> ... the 380 sounds like an airport runway. :/
[01:04] <Unit193> I'm sure it loves pulling the power.
[01:08] <canthus13> heh.
[01:09] <Cheri703> anyone have thoughts on why my computer would suddenly crap itself and think I am holding down the enter key when there is NO keyboard attached at all?
[01:19] <Cheri703> bah, ok, back to having a working computer/keyboard
[01:22] <canthus13> Whee... I've got a woman on the line that has a huge networking vocabulary.. but no knowledge to back it up with. it's painful to hear her misuse 'OC-768' and 'Gigabit Ethernet'.
[01:22] <Cheri703> heh
[04:27]  * Cheri703 is being really productive tonight! it is weird
[14:07] <thafreak> soo...what's the best multi-media oriented distro...?
[14:07] <thafreak> i want to plug a machine into the tv
[14:07] <yano> i've only used it once, but i've heard it's Mint
[14:08] <yano> because it comes with all the "non-free" codecs out of the box
[14:34] <thafreak> yeah, I figured that one. didn't know if there was a new distro I've never heard of before :)
[14:34] <thafreak> should probably just check distrowatch
[15:30] <Cheri703> mythbuntu maybe?
[15:30] <Cheri703> I never got it to work properly with my video card that I have on my tv computer, it's ancient
[15:31] <paultag> xmbc or something
[15:31] <paultag> oh distro
[15:31] <paultag> yeah, handwave
[15:32] <Cheri703> *the video card was ancient
[15:37] <thafreak> meh, just went with the latest mint...figured I could just slap xbmc from ubuntu on it...
[15:37] <thafreak> and (crosses fingers) flash and hdmi audio just work


[09:04] <clobrano> hi, looking at the bug list I've found quite often issues like "failed install/upgrade, package x is already installed and configured". This message alone,  does not seems a reason to issue a bug, to me. So, out of curiosity, what kind of error is this? Thanks?
[09:04] <clobrano> *Thanks without question mark :D
[10:33] <tsimonq2> clobrano: I can give some insight on this
[10:33] <tsimonq2> clobrano: tl;dr apt throws up :P
[10:34] <tsimonq2> clobrano: Got an example bug report?
[10:34] <clobrano> tsimonq2: :D
[10:34] <clobrano> tsimonq2: yes, I'll check again for the one I saw last
[10:34] <tsimonq2> clobrano: Ok :)
[10:35] <clobrano> tsimonq2: Bug #1703548
[10:40] <tsimonq2> clobrano: Huh, that is very interesting...
[10:40] <tsimonq2> From waht I can tell, apt gets confused when it's configuring the package
[10:41] <tsimonq2> *what
[10:42] <tsimonq2> clobrano: Interesting, I don't know what to say
[10:43] <tsimonq2> Weird...
[10:43] <clobrano> tsimonq2: :D, yeah but, generically speaking is "APT: I cannot configure this, since is already configured" to be considered an error?
[10:44] <clobrano> I mean, it's configured so it's ok, or am I oversimplifying?
[10:46] <tsimonq2> clobrano: It all depends if it's something that makes apt stop dead in its tracks or if it's just a warning.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> I can't reproduce it though.
[10:48] <clobrano> tsimonq2: I see, I actually didn't try reproducing this particular bug
[10:49] <clobrano> well, I don't know apt as well, but I was curious, because there are a lot of bugs like this one
[10:51] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[11:56] <clobrano> tsimonq2: btw, this is really a good example of function name that documents itself (dpkg, not apt): ohshit(_("package %.250s is already installed and configured")  :D
[12:09] <tsimonq2> :D