[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:05] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[07:05] <svij> morgen dholbach and nhaines!
[07:05] <nhaines> svij: morgen!
[07:05] <dholbach> hey svij
[07:08] <nhaines> I'm happy because I got my "Writing and Publishing a Book with Free Software" presentation lined up to be featured on The Passive Voice later today, which is a very popular blog for self-publishers.
[07:08] <nhaines> So that should be a good little boost for Ubuntu to a new audience.  :)
[07:08] <svij> cool :)
[07:09] <nhaines> Also hopefully my book, but who knows? :)
[07:12] <svij> I also should write on my book, I don't want to be as late as you, nhaines ;)
[07:13] <dholbach> nice :)
[07:17] <nhaines> svij: I set the bar low, so everyone can say "well, at least I'm not as far behind as Nathan was."  ;)
[07:17] <svij> :D
[08:59] <Kilos> greetings all
[09:03] <nhaines> Greetings!
[09:05] <elacheche> Morning LoCos :)
[12:13] <tsimonq2> o/


[00:06] <marge_simpson> Hi, where do I put an app to start automatically when I login, please?
[00:11] <marge_simpson> Wakey, wakey, hands off snakey!  Anybody there?
[00:15] <maxpolk> marge_simpson: menu | Preferences | Desktop Session Settings
[00:17] <maxpolk> If it's not there, try http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[00:18] <Unit193> marge_simpson: The Lubuntu FAQs can be found at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ and should provide you with the info you need
[00:22] <marge_simpson> Thanks folks (had to answer Nature's call there...) BFN
[00:24] <phillw> marge_simpson: read the topic next time, much easier :D
[00:30] <KM0201> why is it, i can find a samba connection in pyneighborhood,and connect to it, but i can't see it in "network paces" on PCmanFM
[00:33] <KM0201> phillw: any ideas?
[00:34] <phillw> KM0201: pyneighboorhood was dropped as it did not work.
[00:34] <phillw> pcmanfm can quite happily handle samba
[00:34] <KM0201> phillw: well, strangely, it works fine, but pcman can't even see it
[00:34] <KM0201> thus my problem
[00:35] <KM0201> wait, i think i figured out the problem
[00:35] <KM0201> yeah, i ddi.
[00:35] <phillw> KM0201: have you got the up to date version of pcmanfm & I'd also hazard a guess at two systems wanting access to one system is not going to happy?
[00:35] <KM0201> weird, but ok
[00:36] <KM0201> naa, i got it.
[01:19] <maxpolk> I'm trying to track down the name of the Lubuntu package that lets you configure the network proxy ( like http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-configure-ubuntu-desktop-to-use-your-proxy-server.html )
[01:20] <Unit193> Give me a sec
[01:20] <maxpolk> I ran into ubuntu-system-service but that's a seemingly back-end python package
[01:20] <Unit193> Found the libproxy0 lib
[01:21] <maxpolk> I ran into gnome-control-center, but that installs regular ubuntu stuff and the Unity desktop too
[01:21] <Unit193> Even with --no-install-recommends ?
[01:21] <maxpolk> oh, let me try that
[01:26] <maxpolk> I'll try it, but it seems like a lot of extra packages: http://pastebin.com/7P4wEJvz
[01:28] <maxpolk> 2.5M, not a whole lot actually
[01:29] <Unit193> Some things, no matter how small, you wouldn't want to install
[01:33] <maxpolk> I went a long way, I'll just open a bug I think
[01:33] <maxpolk> Didn't help at all, removed it
[01:34] <Unit193> purge? sudo apt-get autoremove --purge   too?
[01:35] <maxpolk> nice, I'll remember that one
[01:35] <Unit193> Yeah... I do that one too much...
[01:35] <maxpolk> and it removed a bunch of stuff too
[01:58] <maxpolk> what is the name of the Lubuntu installer?  won't accept a bug report without a package name
[01:58] <maxpolk> found "debian-installer" in one place, not sure that's it
[01:58] <Unit193> ubiquity
[01:59] <maxpolk> Thanks!
[01:59] <Unit193> !info ubiquity
[01:59] <Unit193> Yep, spelling and all!
[02:05] <maxpolk> Is there a way to open a bug report without the boatloads of info?  It's a logical bug during installation, not related to hardware whatsoever.
[02:05] <maxpolk> plus, it was from a different machine
[02:07] <maxpolk> launchpad.net doesn't let you just type in a new bug I don't think
[02:07] <Unit193> http://bugs.launchpad.net
[02:09] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[02:09] <Unit193> Making me do all the work... ;)
[02:09] <maxpolk> D'oh, so sorry!!!
[02:12] <maxpolk> stupid question -- does it matter I'm filing against ubuntu / ubiquity instead of lubuntu / ubiquity?
[02:13] <Unit193> Shouldn't really, but I'm no bug expert
[02:13] <Unit193> #ubuntu-bugs may help if I can't (I donm't really mind)
[09:17] <Unudidntu> hi. In Lubuntu live, I have no Ifree remaining. How do I fixit?
[09:19] <leszek> hi
[09:33] <Unudidntu> hi?
[09:44]  * Unudidntu will be back later
[12:37] <pcman> hi
[12:41] <sagaci> hi
[12:43] <newbie2011> Question: I'm installing xubuntu along with Ubuntu + Windows, how do I make it so that xubuntu doesn't install a boot loader, where I could just do a update-grub on Ubuntu ?
[12:44] <newbie2011> it says Device for boot loader installation:   ?
[12:49] <sagaci> might be better in #xubuntu...?
[12:50] <newbie2011> i might go there, but installation is the same anyway, lubuntu installation is based off of lubuntu anyway
[12:51] <newbie2011> lubuntu installation is base of xubuntu*
[18:13] <bhm> Ubuntu One on Lubuntu? How does one install it? The sources on ubuntugeek, ubuntuforum, etc. are sparse with details. Does anyone have good experiences?
[18:13] <KM0201> bhm: just install it?
[18:13] <KM0201> apt-get install?
[18:14] <KM0201> i don't use ubuntu one, but it can't be that difficult.
[18:14] <bhm> I have used apt-get install ubuntuone-client but am missing the last step to link my folders to the cloud
[18:14] <KM0201> i use dropbox, it works fine (granted, free account only has 2gigs of storage, instead of 5)
[18:15] <KM0201> bhm: don't you have to do that via the web interface?
[18:16] <bhm> Dropbox not an option :-) Must be ubuntu one. Web is manual. Ubuntuone client from gnome synchronises for me on 10.04 LTS but I want to have access to the same files from lubuntu
[18:16] <bhm> Shouldn't PCMan have similar capability?
[18:17] <Unit193> Try installing   ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk   PCmanFM won't have the right-click to check where the files are on the site
[18:18] <jmarsden> Unit193: ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk is the program, ubuntuone-client is the package.
[18:18] <bhm> install message confirms unit193's statement
[18:18] <jmarsden> So sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client     and then  run the program called    ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[18:18] <Unit193> !info ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[18:19] <Unit193> That's a package
[18:19] <jmarsden> Interesting... I just installed ubuntuone-client and it provided the binary ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk ... :)
[18:19] <jmarsden> That's in a Oneiric alpha, maybe the packaging changed recently?
[18:20] <Unit193> Version 1.0.0-0ubuntu1.1 (natty)
[18:20] <bhm> $ ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk result: importerror: no module named controlpanel.gtk
[18:24] <Unit193> jmarsden: So you just installed ubuntuone-client and had everything you needed?
[18:25] <Unit193> Not in depends/recommends I would assume
[18:25] <jmarsden> Seems like it... I don't think I had previously installed anything ubuntuone related... will check a little further...
[18:25] <jmarsden> Maybe the new installer setup includes some of the ubuntuone stuff by default in Oneiric?
[18:26] <bhm> sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client gives me the whole package and puts ubuntu one in the start menu under preferences. But it does not respond when activated.
[18:26] <Unit193> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671166/ I can check later today about UbuntuOne in Oneiric
[18:31] <bhm> alrighty... what does paste.ubuntu.com/671166/ mean?
[18:31] <jmarsden> bhm: It is a list of all the ubuntuone stuff Unit193 has installed.
[18:32] <bhm> ok and that one works?
[18:32] <jmarsden> I don't know if it works for him... some package names have changed in Oneiric, I don't have an Lubuntu Natty VM I can test this on right now...
[18:33]  * jmarsden makes mental note to keep more VMs around :)
[18:33] <Unit193> Sadly, that's not on Lubuntu though (Not at the Lubuntu one, and it doesn't have U1 installed anyway)
[18:33] <Unit193> How many VMs do you have?
[18:34] <jmarsden> Right now, 15.  I don't run them all at once, obviously :)
[18:34] <bhm> i've got a VM running in virtualbox. How may I help?
[18:35] <jmarsden> well, if it is running Lubuntu 11.04 Natty as a gust OS, you could install the packages listed by Unit193 in that pastebin page and see if they work...
[18:35] <bhm> apt-get the whole list?
[18:36] <jmarsden> I'd apt-get ubuntuone-client and then check to see if the others are already installed , and install any of the rest that are not present.
[18:36] <Unit193> I didn't need to even do that, they were recommends
[18:37] <jmarsden> OK... then... we ned to find out why bhm is seeing that importerror: no module named controlpanel.gtk
[18:37] <bhm> so climbing the learning curve quickly: how would you check what is installed? synaptic list?
[18:37] <jmarsden> bhm: dpkg -l |grep ^ii | grep ubuntuone     would be one way....
[18:37] <Unit193> dpkg -l |grep words here  (Me personally)
[18:38] <bhm> one moment...
[18:41] <bhm> all packages are there, plus some... (ran dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep ubuntuone
[18:42] <jmarsden> And you still see that import error if you run the ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk  program?
[18:44] <bhm> jep: Traceback: File "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk", line 29 in <module> from ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk import TRANSLATION_DOMAIN .....  ImportError
[18:44] <jmarsden> Ah, that's a different error from the one you posted last time!
[18:45] <jmarsden> Can you pastebin the whole traceback for us to read please?
[18:45] <bhm> sorry, but they are the same. I must have been too sparse in my previous message. How do I pastebin and where should I put it?
[18:45] <bhm> :-)
[18:46] <Unit193> I would think you could use pastebinit
[18:46] <Unit193> But I'm going to let jmarsden take over since he's a dev :P
[18:47] <jmarsden> Right, you can manually browse to http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste in the text with the mouse, or you can use pastebinit
[18:48] <bhm> ok. and the traceback? just the text from the cmdline or something more informative?
[18:48] <bhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:49] <jmarsden> Yes, all the text that showed up in the command window from the command you typed to the prompt after it displayed the traceback
[18:49] <jmarsden> You'll need to tell us the URL it pastebins to...
[18:49] <bhm> coming up. VM not that fast :-)
[18:49] <jmarsden> If you want to automate it, something like   ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk 2>&1 |pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:50] <Unit193> paste.ubuntu.com is currently default anyway
[18:50] <bhm> paste.ubuntu.com/671185/
[18:51] <jmarsden> bhm: OK.  By the way, if you used the whole URL including the http: the link would be clickable and so easier for us to use :)
[18:52] <bhm> my apologies....
[18:52] <jmarsden> Looks like a bug or there is a python module you are missing... let me try to find where that module is on my system...
[18:54] <jmarsden> I *think* that's a bug.. want to try editing one line of the Python code to see if I can fix it?
[18:54] <bhm> :-)
[18:55] <jmarsden> What does     locate ubuntuone.controlpanel     output on your system?
[18:57] <bhm> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.controlpanel.gui.service
[18:57] <bhm> and
[18:57] <bhm> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.controlpanel.service
[18:59] <jmarsden> OK.  So I think we can try editing one line of the file /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[18:59] <bhm> vim?
[18:59] <jmarsden> well, we could, but I think I can do a oneliner with sed or perl instead... give me a sec...
[18:59] <bhm> :-)
[19:02] <jmarsden> sudo perl -p -i.bak -e 's/ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk/ubuntuone.controlpanel/' /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[19:02] <bhm> in progress...
[19:04] <bhm> cmdline happy
[19:04] <jmarsden> OK, now does running     ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk    work?
[19:06] <bhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671197/
[19:07] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  OK, you really do seem to have some chunk of Python module(s) missing.
[19:08] <jmarsden> sudo mv /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.bak /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[19:08] <jmarsden> will undo my patch.
[19:08] <bhm> in progress
[19:08] <jmarsden> Then we need to try and find out exactly what file(s) you are missing and what packages they are in...
[19:10] <bhm> my update manager has just announced it wants to restart
[19:10] <bhm> may i suggest restart and then contrinue?
[19:10] <jmarsden> Go ahead, if you want to.  Then when it comes back, try   dpkg -l python-ubuntuone-control-panel   and tell me what it says, please.
[19:11] <bhm> VM rebooting...
[19:14] <jmarsden> I suspect your machine either does not have, or cannot "see", the files from the package  python-ubuntuone-control-panel
[19:14] <jmarsden> Did it come back up yet?
[19:14] <bhm> yep. got a new message. putting on pastebin...
[19:15] <bhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671208/
[19:16] <jmarsden> Looks fine... hmmm.  OK, let's try    find /usr/lib -name ubuntuone-control-panel |xargs ls -ld
[19:18] <bhm> hmmm
[19:18] <bhm> no such file or dir
[19:19] <jmarsden> OK... so there is the issue.  Teh package claims to be installed but the files it installs are missing!
[19:19] <bhm> xargs: ls-ld: no such file or dir
[19:19] <jmarsden> Oh... no space between ls and -ld ?
[19:19] <bhm> aaah....
[19:20] <jmarsden> cut and paste the command from IRC into your VM to avoid that kind of issue... it is also usually faster than retyping stuff.
[19:20] <bhm> How do you do that from virtualbox?
[19:20] <bhm> find /usr/lib -name ubuntuone-control-panel |xargs ls -ld
[19:20] <jmarsden> Do you have the guest additions installed in the gust OS?
[19:20] <jmarsden> s/gust/guest/
[19:21] <bhm> probably not. I just installed vbox and currently run lubuntu in that as a default install
[19:22] <bhm> anyway the files are /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-control-panel and /usr/lib/ubuntuone-control-panel
[19:23] <jmarsden> OK... so they are there.  But apparently they are not being found by python...
[19:23] <jmarsden> What does    python --version     say?
[19:24] <bhm> python 2.7.1+
[19:25] <jmarsden> OK, sounds normal... this is odd.  and I'm being asked to to out for lunch with my family... I expect to be back in about 90 minutes, can we restart looking at this then?
[19:25] <bhm> :-) I'll grab some dinner in the meantime :-)
[19:25] <bhm> I'm in GMT timezone...
[19:26] <jmarsden> OK.  See you later.  I'm from the UK, but living in California.
[19:26] <bhm> Enjoy the lunch :-)
[21:25] <bhm> .
[21:31] <jmarsden> I'm back (and full)...
[21:32] <bhm> :-)
[21:32] <jmarsden> bhm: I set up a VM running Lubuntu 11.04 and after sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-control-panel
[21:32] <jmarsden> the thing "just works" for me.
[21:33] <bhm> testing
[21:35] <bhm> installation works smooth, but ubuntuone doesn't seem to respond.
[21:35] <bhm> I suggest to kill the VM and retry from a fresh iso.
[21:35] <jmarsden> If you run  ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk from a shell do you still get the traceback?
[21:35] <bhm> stand by
[21:36] <bhm> "command not found"
[21:36] <bhm> wait!
[21:36] <bhm> made a type.
[21:37] <bhm> Traceback: "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk", line 29 in module ... import TRANSLATION_DOMAIN
[21:37] <bhm> ImportError: No module named controlpanel.gtk
[21:38] <jmarsden> OK.  If I could duplicate that issue here, I could troubleshoot it.  But for me, it runs fine.
[21:38] <bhm> ok. I retry with a fresh 11.04 iso VM.
[21:38] <bhm> Was the lunch good?
[21:39] <jmarsden> Yes, thanks.  Our daughter is home for a couple of weeks before heading back to University, so it's good to spend time with her...
[21:39] <bhm> :-0
[21:39] <bhm> :-)
[21:46] <jmarsden> OK, I found a way to trace all module imports... if you want, you can try   python -v /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk 2>&1 |pastebinit
[21:47] <jmarsden> I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/671292 from Oneiric...
[21:47] <jmarsden> But maybe a fresh VM is simpler :)
[21:48] <bhm> install is running....
[21:48] <KM0201> whats the name of that password tool?..  i thought it was supposed to be installed by default, but its not...
[21:48] <KM0201> (manages all the keyrings, etc..)
[21:49] <jmarsden> seahorse ?
[21:49] <KM0201> no..
[21:49] <KM0201> i don't think so.. lemmm echeck
[21:50] <KM0201> hmm, looking at the description, that might be it.
[21:50] <KM0201> lemme look
[21:50] <KM0201> yup, thats it
[21:51] <KM0201> thanks
[21:51] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[21:51] <KM0201> jmarsden: i do have one more question, (little more along the lines of ubuntu server).. if you have a second
[21:51] <jmarsden> OK.
[21:52] <KM0201> ok, i was messing w/ vbox, trying to figure out how to rebuild a software raid 1, after a drive was removed, that went well, so long as i manually removed it, before importing/syncing a new drive.
[21:53] <KM0201> my question is, on a "live sytem".. lets assume a drive chokes... and you didn't have a chance to remove it from the RAID.. i tried removing a drive, and the server booted up, but it wouldn't let me modify the raid, because the old drive was "gone".
[21:53] <KM0201> would i have to delete the old raid(md0) and create a new one?
[21:54] <jmarsden> On md0 if you lose a drive, you lose that array, RAID0 has no redundancy... so probably yes.  I've only used RAID1 and RAID5 in Linux software RAID though.
[21:54] <KM0201> well its a raid 1 setup
[21:55] <jmarsden> For RAID1, you should be able to put a new drive in, and add it to the existing array with mdadm
[21:56] <KM0201> hmm, thats what i tried to do, but it wouldn't let me.
[21:56] <KM0201> kept saying the raid was invalid, if i recall.
[21:56] <KM0201> it showed md0, as "inactive"
[21:56] <jmarsden> It's been a while since I've done much with that, but you should pastebin what command you are trying and the exact error msg, and someone #ubuntu-server can probably help.
[21:58] <jmarsden> A RAID1 array with one failed drive should be fixable... does the idea in http://dougbunger.blogspot.com/2009/02/actinvating-inactive-raid-element.html help?
[22:00] <jmarsden> KM0201: Looks like stop, assemble, then add should work.
[22:08] <jmarsden> bhm: Is your fresh VM install completed yet?


[00:01] <hmuller> Can anyone explain how or where displayconfig-gtk gets its initial settings?
[00:02] <slangasek> I believe it gets it from the current xserver state
[00:05] <johanbr> hmuller: If you're who I think you are, thank you for the Inspiron 1420 sound instructions. :)
[00:06] <hmuller> johanbr: np, it's nice to have that and the mics working.  props to crimsun (d. chen) for getting that fixed for us.
[00:42] <pwnguin> aha. i found the reason graphical boot stops early for me
[00:42] <pwnguin> bug #203429
[00:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203429 in initramfs-tools "resume script missing functions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203429
[00:53] <Fujitsu> Hmm, should gnome-display-properties let me turn my last screen off?
[01:04] <pwnguin> think of the power savings!
[01:29] <j1mc> hi all - are the build logs for daily ISO builds available to look at?  i wanted to see why xubuntu iso's aren't being generated.
[01:31] <slangasek> they aren't being generated because there are alternate CD test candidates waiting for sign-off from the xubuntu developers as a beta for
[01:32] <slangasek> s/ for//
[01:33] <j1mc> slangasek: are the test images the 3/21 images?
[01:33] <slangasek> 3/22
[01:33] <j1mc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20080322/  hmm
[01:34] <slangasek> oh, well, I guess they failed
[01:34] <slangasek> and I should look into that, thanks :)
[01:34] <j1mc> thank you.  :)
[01:35] <j1mc> i'll keep an eye on the daily folder, and will test when a new image is generated
[01:35] <slangasek> ah, it's that darned not-sure-if-we're-up-to-date-in-universe bug again
[01:36] <j1mc> slangasek: is it anything i should ping cody somerville about, or do you know what needs to be done?
[01:36] <slangasek> if it's the bug I think it is, it's a build environment bug, not a xubuntu bug
[01:36] <slangasek> so, let's see what happens this round
[01:36] <slangasek> sorry, I should've checked for success when I posted them
[01:37] <j1mc> np.  i will check on them tomorrow morning.
[01:37] <j1mc> thanks for your help
[01:40] <slangasek> looks like we're good this time, just by virtue of what time of day it's running
[01:41] <j1mc> hm, ok.
[01:42] <j1mc> thanks again.  i'll try to gather up a few testers, and we'll report our results on the QA site.  it might not be until later tomorrow until we report results there, though.
[01:46] <slangasek> images are up now :)
[01:46] <slangasek> adding to the ISO tracker
[01:50] <j1mc> thanks.  :)
[02:05] <xhaker> slangasek: hi, is there an easy answer for, why wouldn't ubuntu-restricted-extras recommend ttf-liberation instead of msttcorefonts now?
[02:07] <slangasek> xhaker: not one that I know
[02:07] <Fujitsu> xhaker: If you're already wanting a heap of non-free stuff, why not go with the least free option?
[02:08] <slangasek> well, "why not go with the 100% guaranteed compatible option"
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Why is ttf-liberation in multiverse when its description starts with `Free'?
[02:08] <xhaker> Fujitsu: hahaha, that was funny :D
[02:08] <Fujitsu> slangasek: That's sort of what I meant. Why go for the more free option that might not be compatible, if you want non-free stuff in the first place?
[02:09]  * slangasek nods
[02:09] <xhaker> well, the normal use case is for people to install ubuntu-rextricted-extras when they need support for proprietary stuff, when they don't have a choice
[02:10] <xhaker> often flash player and codecs
[02:10] <Fujitsu> The aim of u-r-e is to install a full suite of non-free goodness.
[02:10] <xhaker> Fujitsu: let me explain, you're too fast to respond
[02:11] <xhaker> Fujitsu: one of those items is the java plugin, and the dependency was changed to icedtea-gcjplugin, since java is now very much free with openjdk
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[02:12] <xhaker> so you already have something free in ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:12] <xhaker> but i think it should be there for the upgraders?
[02:13] <xhaker> someone should s/restricted-extras/extras/
[02:14] <slangasek> as long as icedtea-gcjwebplugin is still in universe, that's probably a reasonable place to have the dependency.  Once it can be moved to main (I think the plan is to do this for intrepid), then ubuntu-desktop can probably do the job of pulling it in
[02:14] <j1mc> actually, u-r-e doesn't currently pull in the java or icedtea plugin
[02:14] <slangasek> j1mc: recommends: icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[02:14] <Fujitsu> slangasek: Java in the default install? Not bad.
[02:15]  * xhaker happy!
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Speaking of Java, somebody needs to upload a new Sun Java to multiverse to fix a heap of security issues.
[02:15] <slangasek> Fujitsu: I'm not speaking with any authority here, just saying that it seems to me that part of the reason to put it in main would be to install it by default :)
[02:15] <Fujitsu> slangasek: Indeed.
[02:16] <johanbr> Why does u-r-e recommend all those packages, rather than depend on them?
[02:16] <ScottK2> johanbr: So you can removed them if you don't want them without removing the metapackage.
[02:16] <xhaker> johanbr: recommends get installed by default anyway, but you might not need all of it :)
[02:16] <ScottK2> metapackage recommends are installed by default.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Doesn't aptitude install all recommends by default?
[02:17] <j1mc> apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras | grep Recommends
[02:17] <j1mc> Recommends: flashplugin-nonfree, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-pitfdll, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse, libdvdread3, liblame0, msttcorefonts, unrar
[02:17] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: apt does not for other than metapackages IIRC.
[02:17] <ion_> apt-cache depends ubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't show anything java-related here either. Fresh apt-get update from archive.ubuntu.com.
[02:17] <slangasek> hmm? how does apt know which ones are metapackages?
[02:18] <ion_> From the Section field.
[02:18] <johanbr> Yes. But most metapackages don't use Recommends. If you turn off installing Recommends, installing u-r-e won't do anything.
[02:18] <xhaker> looking at that list, isn't our vision to replace everything there with free counterparts?
[02:18] <slangasek> oh, and apt in Ubuntu keys on that field? interesting
[02:19] <johanbr> slangasek: See /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[02:21] <Fujitsu> Hmm, has the default CFLAGS changed since February?
[02:21] <Fujitsu> mplayer now FTBFS, and unsetting CFLAGS fixes it.
[02:23] <RAOF> We now add -Bsymbolic, don't we?
[02:23] <Fujitsu> THat's LDFLAGS.
[02:23]  * RAOF checks his build mail.
[02:24] <RAOF> Whoops, so it is.    I've noticed a couple of packages that unset one or more of CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, or LD
[02:44] <RAOF> LDFLAGS to fix FTBFS.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> I've already unset LDFLAGS in two at the advice of upstream.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> The LDFLAGS changes caused tooooo many issues.
[03:13] <pwnguin> there was a wiki about the flags
[03:17]  * jdong gets frustrated at crappy cflags on Handbrake
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, you trying to get handbrake packaged for interpid?
[03:18] <superm1> intrepid even
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: I will
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, haha
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: I even considerd it partially for Hardy
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, have you looked at it's build process?
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, and all the patching it does to source packages during the builds?
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: but it was 2 wks before FFe and I saw 4 or 5 motumedia packages that'd need upstream versions
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: actually, overall handbrake's build process didn't look terribly bad
[03:19] <jdong> superm1: sure it fetches specific versions of media libs
[03:19] <superm1> jdong, yeah there's probably a good reason for that..
[03:19] <jdong> superm1: but it's not like *cough* gstreamer,vlc,mplayer,*cough* don't do the same
[03:19] <superm1> i won't argue though.
[03:19] <superm1> if you get it in, i'll be happy
[03:19] <jdong> superm1: yeah I'll try to get it in, linked against system libs, doing an update wherever necessary in Intrepid
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: if that fails I plan on forking it again :)
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: its x264 encoding abilities are too good to ignore
[03:20] <superm1> i started to look at it shortly after school got done and started to cry when i saw all the stuff it did
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: oh the build system is out.
[03:20] <superm1> jdong, yeah it's the only way to get stuff "nicely" onto my touch
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: that's without a doubt
[03:29] <pwnguin> hmm
[03:30] <pwnguin> apparently livejournal doens't like images for free
[03:30] <pwnguin> that's gonna make this bootchart blog a challenge ;)
[03:30] <pwnguin> jdong: you happen to have a bootchart image you'd like to brag about?
[03:32] <jdong> pwnguin: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/macbook/hardy-upstart-defragged.png
[03:32] <pwnguin> <p class="flickr-yourcomment">
[03:32] <jdong> pwnguin: keep in mind my slow laptop hd speed
[03:32] <pwnguin> oops
[03:32] <jdong> but I don't think 19s is bad :)
[03:32] <pwnguin> heh
[03:32] <pwnguin> well, you've only got to beat my 23
[03:33] <jdong> pwnguin: well I win then :)
[03:33] <jdong> pwnguin: go upstart :D
[03:34] <pwnguin> thats the point here
[03:34] <pwnguin> ive documented several easy fixes that will mostly succomb to entropy
[03:34] <jdong> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~uphackers/uphack/uphack-tools I'm starting to work on an auto-upstart converter :)
[03:34] <pwnguin> ah
[03:34] <pwnguin> even more informative ;)
[03:34] <jdong> I've confirmed it to half boot but I need to add the TTY jobs
[03:35] <jdong> meh but first I need to finish my homework :)
[03:36] <pwnguin> ah, the last day of spring break here
[04:02] <emgent> night gang, i go to sleep
[04:12] <poningru> halp
[04:12] <poningru> I think either NetworkManager or NetworkManagerDispatcher cant get my localtime and hence is hanging on connection to an authenticated wifi
[04:12] <poningru> actually come to think of it to anywifi
[04:13] <poningru> and then any connection there after
[04:15] <poningru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60824/
[04:16] <poningru> strace of networkmanager
[04:16] <poningru> I attached it when it was starting to connect
[04:17] <poningru> to my wpa2 psk ap
[04:18] <poningru> then the repetition stuff comes in when I pluged in my cat5 and clicked on wired from nm
[04:18] <poningru> the repeater stuff towards the end
[04:19] <poningru> the output from networkmanager dispatcher was similar
[04:19] <poningru> except the end stuff
[04:20] <poningru> I'm running a bcm94311MCG rev 02 card
[04:21] <poningru> oh and nm-applet is like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60827/
[04:22] <poningru> ALWAYS
[04:22] <poningru> so I dont know wtf is going on
[04:22] <poningru> ... I guess that was a bug report...
[04:29] <ScottK> poningru: Make sure you've got the latest hal installed.
[04:29] <poningru> checking
[04:30] <poningru> through the repos or trunk?
[04:30] <poningru> HAL package version: 0.5.11rc2
[04:31] <poningru> I think thats the latest
[04:31] <poningru> ScottK^^^
[04:32] <poningru> dpkgreconfiguring hal
[04:34] <superm1> can anyone think of an init script that properly uses udevsettle at the moment?
[04:34] <poningru> ok trying to reconnect to wifi... or should I restart? I think hald got restarted by the dpkg-reconfigure
[04:34] <superm1> or udevadm better yet
[04:35] <poningru> superm1: iscsi iirc
[04:35] <poningru> hold on
[04:35] <poningru> yes
[04:35] <superm1> would you mind posting it so i dont have to hunt down the source package?
[04:35] <poningru> /etc/init.d/open-iscsi does
[04:35] <poningru> err ok sure
[04:35] <superm1> thanks a bunch :)
[04:35] <poningru> oh pastebin it?
[04:35] <poningru> or to a bug?
[04:35] <superm1> pastebin
[04:35] <poningru> kk
[04:36] <superm1> i'm just trying to fix another package that i think i mis-used it before
[04:36] <superm1> and didn't realize
[04:36] <poningru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60828/
[04:37] <superm1> awesome thanks alot
[04:37] <poningru> well obviously udev aswell but... you know
[04:37] <superm1> yeah.
[04:38] <slangasek> poningru: contents of /var/log/syslog are probably going to be more useful than an strace of n-m
[04:38] <poningru> ooh thanks
[04:38] <slangasek> could you also try /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart?
[04:39] <slangasek> (I'm not sure that upgrading hal will fix a network-manager that's gotten itself into a wedged state)
[04:40] <poningru> trying
[04:41] <poningru> hmm hold on
[04:48] <poningru> :( no diff
[04:49] <poningru> I tried dpkg-reconfiguring NetworkManager which restarted it and NetworkManagerDispatcher
[04:49] <poningru> slangasek^^
[04:49] <poningru> oh on an IRC proxy thats why it looked like I didnt disconnect
[04:50] <poningru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60829/
[04:50] <poningru> btw
[04:51] <poningru> from syslog
[04:59] <poningru> the weird thing is after I do a NetworkManager restart I can connect to wired through nm
[05:00] <poningru> but not ANY wifi
[05:00] <poningru> even open ones
[05:00] <Fujitsu> poningru: Have you restarted hal, then NM?
[05:01] <poningru> no let me try
[05:01] <poningru> /etc/init.d/hald right?
[05:01] <slangasek> signal 11
[05:02] <Fujitsu> No d.
[05:02] <slangasek> poningru: you said you have hal 0ubuntu2 installed?
[05:02] <slangasek> oh, you only said 0.5.11~rc2
[05:02] <slangasek> poningru: we need to know the exact Debian version of hal that's installed
[05:03] <poningru> Version: 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[05:03] <slangasek> 1ubuntu1 is broken. 1ubuntu2 is supposed to be fixed... ok.
[05:03] <slangasek> hang on a second then, let me dig up a bug
[05:03] <slangasek> bug #204868
[05:03] <poningru> :) thanks
[05:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204868 in network-manager "NM can't use wireless networks" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204868
[05:03] <slangasek> there's a patch in there; can you rebuild NM using that patch and see if that fixes things for you?
[05:04] <slangasek> (if so, I'll raise that bug back to high and re-milestone it)
[05:04] <slangasek> (... and fix it, since Germany's on holiday today)
[05:04] <poningru> ah!! sweet
[05:04] <poningru> yeah doing that now
[05:07] <slangasek> you said your wireless was broadcom?
[05:08] <poningru> yeah
[05:08] <poningru> bcm94311MCG rev02
[05:08] <slangasek> ok
[05:09] <slangasek> which wireless driver do you use, ndiswrapper or bcm43xx?
[05:09] <poningru> err actually b43
[05:09] <slangasek> or that one :-)
[05:09] <slangasek> ok
[05:12] <poningru> yeah getting the build deps
[05:12] <poningru> thanks for helping with this
[05:13] <poningru> could have sworn I searched launchpad
[05:15] <slangasek> well, I seem to have lowered the severity of that bug report in error; sorry, there've been enough false-positive duplicates that it's been hard to sort out what's what
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Anybody know off hand of any recent bugs about the kernel hanging in initramfs?
[05:31] <poningru> w00t slangasek danke
[05:31] <poningru> that worked
[05:34] <slangasek> poningru: thanks, working on getting the fix uploaded
[05:35]  * jdong sets up crackbook64
[05:35] <jdong> and it's exactly what you think it is.
[05:36] <jdong> x86-64 macbook Hardy, pieces of the system loopmounted over HFS+, upstart booted, and otherwise broken beyond all repair :)
[05:36] <jdong> oh yeah, XFS.
[05:36] <jdong> expect lots of whining and bugs soon ;-)
[05:37] <Fujitsu> !jdong
 jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[05:38] <jdong> :)
[05:38] <jdong> 55% in 2 minutes
[05:38] <jdong> this is gonna be a fun Hardy box
[05:38] <poningru> lol
[05:39] <poningru> I thought it was this http://www.theinternetnowinhandybookform.com/crackbook/
[05:42] <milli> Fujitsu: I had a corrupted ramdisk error yesterday, with 2.6.24-12-server on my AMD64 box.  Doing a dpkg-reconfigure fixed it, but it was somewhat painful figuring out that needed to happen, given console access was needed to see what it was hanging on boot.
[05:42] <milli> I'm guessing perhaps ran out of disk space the last time update-initramfs ran...  *shrug*
[05:43] <Fujitsu> milli: My initramfs looks fine.
[05:44] <milli> I get this though, which worries me a little...  since I'm using root-RAID...
[05:44] <milli> Done.
[05:44] <milli> Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...
[05:44] <milli> [   48.564492] mdadm[2756]: segfault at 4 rip 41751c rsp 7ffffcbf0ca0 error 4
[05:44] <milli> Done.
[05:44] <milli>  * Setting the system clock
[05:45] <milli> but system comes up okay...
[05:45] <Fujitsu> That doesn't look optimal.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> I'm root-on-LVM-on-crypto.
[05:47] <milli> I'm guessing auto-starting all 3 RAID arrays is what saves it.
[05:48] <TheMuso_> 5~/c
[05:49] <TheMuso_> ugh
[08:52] <warp10> Good morning
[10:52] <tbf> hmm... ENOKEYBUK
[11:04] <Company> that almost looked like a real error value
[11:05] <Company> but it's more than 8 letters
[11:05] <Company> EKEYBUK would fit
[11:06] <tbf> Company: well, just need someone to fix my libtool issues....
[11:06] <tbf> Company: and keybuk was such a strong defender of this brokeness called libtool, that he offered me to debug such isses
[11:07] <tbf> issues
[11:07] <tbf> stupid libtool finds /opt/gnome/lib/libglib-2.0.la, but still insists in linking in /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so
[11:08] <tbf> i hate libtool
[11:09] <tbf> seems its main problem is to assume the full file name, not just the base name of an .so is significant
[11:48]  * Hobbsee waves
[11:50] <Hobbsee> yay, u-r-e discussions
[13:35] <_MMA_> Can someone take a quick look at Bug #205628? Seems users aren't in the scanner group now. Link to the forum thread might better explain the issue.
[13:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205628 in xsane "[Hardy] xsane reports all devices as busy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205628
[13:36] <james_w> bug #205496 seems perhaps related
[13:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205496 in xsane "[Hardy]Xsane needs root to operate scanner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205496
[13:36] <_MMA_> Ahh... Yeah.
[13:37] <james_w> _MMA_: is the scanner option checked in Users and Groups for your user?
[13:38] <james_w> if so does "scanner" show up in the output of "id"?
[13:38] <_MMA_> Nope. Im reading through the other bug also.
[13:38] <_MMA_> Ill mark mine as a dupe.
[13:38] <james_w> ok
[13:39] <james_w> do you happen to know if that option used to be activated for your user?
[13:40] <_MMA_> I do knot know for sure. All I do know is that it worked.I can look at the alpha6 live disk to see if it was then look at the beta disk.
[13:40] <evand> So this is probably related to a change I made to user-setup a while back (1.16ubuntu2).  According to pitti, we no longer use the scanner group.  pitti is this still the case?
[13:44] <cdr> matthew barrett, are you here? :)
[13:47] <james_w> _MMA_: what's the user:group permissions on your scanner device in /dev?
[13:49] <james_w> the "scanner" group is used in several udev rules on my box at least.
[13:49] <james_w> (non-custom rules)
[13:49] <mjg59> cdr: Do you mean Garrett?
[13:49] <_MMA_> james_w: Sorry. I jumped into the alpha6 live disk to look over things.
[13:49] <james_w> _MMA_: no problem, do you have your scanner plugged in?
[13:49] <cdr> mjg59: unless you spent the past week in the french alps, i don't think so =)
[13:50] <_MMA_> james_w: yep
[13:50] <mjg59> cdr: I did
[13:50] <james_w> _MMA_: i don't know what the scanner node will be called, ls -l /dev/scanner might help
[13:52] <_MMA_> james_w: Hmm... Tells me cannot access /dev/scanner. No such file or dir.
[13:53] <james_w> _MMA_: sorry, the node is named something different then. Is there anything in /dev that looks like your scanner?
[13:54] <james_w> _MMA_: or "find /dev -group scanner"
[13:55] <_MMA_> Ok. That got it. "parport0" Its a USB scanner.
[13:58] <james_w> so it appears as though the scanner group is still used, and so the user-setup change should be backed out.
[13:58] <_MMA_> james_w: "ls -l /dev/parport0" gives me: "crw-rw---- 1 lp scanner 99" This is using the Alpha6 disk. Want me to look at the Beta disk ow an installed system?
[13:58] <_MMA_> s/ow/or
[13:59] <james_w> _MMA_: that should be ok I think. Confirming on the latest version would be nice, but at least we know what the problem is
[13:59] <_MMA_> james_w: Ok. Of there's nothing needed from the alpha Ill go to my installed system.
[14:01] <james_w> I don't see anything in udev's changelog to suggest that it has stopped using the scanner group.
[14:05] <_MMA_> james_w: Not that it means anything to me but "ls -l /dev/parport0" gives me "crw-rw---- 1 lp scanner 99, 0" on an installed system. The "0" is extra vs. the live alpha.
[14:05] <james_w> _MMA_: I'm not sure what that means.
[14:06] <james_w> _MMA_: the scanner group is still used though, so it's the same problem.
[14:06] <_MMA_> Sre.
[14:06] <james_w> Did you see that someone just posted to the bug report saying that there is a fix in Debian we should take?
[14:06] <_MMA_> gah. Sure.
[14:06] <james_w> unfortunately they didn't say which package.
[14:06] <_MMA_> I just got the email but didnt look yet.
[14:08] <_MMA_> james_w: I can only guess the poster means xsane.
[14:09] <james_w> _MMA_: libsane it appears.
[14:11] <andersja> hi all; could someone with triaging-rights on launchpad please take a quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453
[14:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198453 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:12] <andersja> it's a PulseAudio bug currently blocking a number of apps (incl 3rd party apps like skype) from working
[14:12] <andersja> it's a quite high impact usability issue for mom&pop users: the installation of app goes fine, no warning, but when run the machine hangs completely - kernel-panic style
[14:13] <james_w> andersja: if all you are looking for is someone to set the importance then #ubuntu-bugs has people who can do that.
[14:13] <andersja> hard to debug for non-power-users and requires a hard reboot in some cases :-o
[14:13] <james_w> _MMA_: debian/rules: Do not install the udev rules, since hal now provides dynamic ACLs on device nodes. (See hardy-hardware-detection spec.)
[14:13] <andersja> james: if anyone could have a look at it with a view to fix it'd not be bad either: Hardy is supposed to be an LTS release && this is not very user-friendly
[14:13] <james_w> _MMA_: from the sane-backends changelog.
[14:14] <james_w> andersja: I agree, I was just wanting to point you to the best place for your query. If you want to work with someone on fixing it then here is definitely the better place.
[14:14] <james_w> _MMA_: I've got to eat now, I'll keep digging after lunch.
[14:15] <andersja> thanks James, I've now also dropped a line on ubuntu-bugs
[14:15] <_MMA_> james_w: Ok. Odd thing is, add ing myself to the scanner group didnt work here. :(
[14:15] <james_w> _MMA_: ah, that sucks.
[14:17] <_MMA_> james_w: Works strait out with sudo. Get some lunch.   Thankyou.
[14:30] <laga> Hobbsee: many people before you have asked that..
[14:30] <Hobbsee> laga: networkmanager and i have had a good working relationship for multiple releases now.  i'd hate to lose that.
[14:31] <laga> heh :)
[15:19] <butt3rz> goodmorning all
[15:20] <butt3rz> i'm a freebsd developer and am interested in this project now as i use it on the majority of my workstations -- i've read the developer documentation on the site -- where would you recommend i start contributions?
[15:21] <beuno> butt3rz, there is a good mapge about this in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[15:22] <beuno> and some specific information on helping with packaging in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[15:23] <butt3rz> alright, appreciated
[15:23] <beuno> welcome  :)
[15:23] <ScottK> It looks like my kdebase upload yesterday made artigas fall over and die.  I'd appreciate it if a buildd admin would have a look at it.
[15:26] <butt3rz> also, i've been wondering about a few things and wanted to throw it by some other people -- the kernels presented by ubuntu -- those i assume (never used them) are vanilla images -- or they have a few ubuntu patches applied by the overseeing developer -- why not add prepatches and mm patches?  and say for people on the PPC platform -benh patches? -- though benh packages his stuff for everyone really since he uses debian
[15:28] <beuno> butt3rz, that kind of question seems like a better fit in #ubuntu-kernel or in the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[15:28] <mjg59> butt3rz: No, they're nowhere near vanilla
[15:28] <butt3rz> mjg59 , well i have no idea -- like i said ive never used them -- but i appreciate the update :)
[15:28] <mjg59> butt3rz: However, we don't ship anything that's not expected to be stable. -pre and -mm don't fall into that category.
[15:31] <butt3rz> mjg59 , so you don't think this would make sense even as an option?
[15:32] <butt3rz> i suppose if people know about them they can spend the time to patch themselves
[15:32] <mjg59> butt3rz: No, because they'd be out of date before we released
[15:33] <butt3rz> what do you mean? -- a full ubuntu release or release them to apt
[15:34] <butt3rz> mjg59 , should i move this to ubuntu-kernel?
[15:34] <mjg59> butt3rz: Feel free
[15:34] <butt3rz> mjg59 , i appreciate your help :)
[15:34] <butt3rz> have a good one
[15:53] <james_w> _MMA_: I'm getting a little lost down in hal land, so perhaps this needs the touch of someone more experienced in that area.
[15:54] <james_w> however the referenced spec states "Device ownership: Make removable USB devices (scanners, cameras, external hard disks, etc.) accessible to the user on the current foreground console instead of providing static udev rules and using group membership based access control."
[15:54] <james_w> which I think should be happening here.
[15:55] <_MMA_> james_w: OK. Best I can do is help troubleshoot. You have more knowledge here than I. Hopefully it can be fixed. Its like printing being broken.
[15:58] <james_w> _MMA_: hal seems to have consolekit support enabled, which it appears is intended to allow you to access the scanner. I don't know how to debug consolekit to find out why it isn't setting the device to be owned by you though.
[16:00] <_MMA_> james_w: I see.
[16:39] <TomaszD> hello, I'd be glad if someone could point me to the package responsible for the ubuntu-modified logout/shutdown screen.  Sorry. Im unsure if that.
[16:43] <james_w> it might be gnome-panel
[16:45] <TomaszD> might be, looking at it right now
[16:45] <james_w> or gnome-session perhaps
[16:46] <TomaszD> I'd place a bigger bet on.. yes
[16:50] <TomaszD> found it
[16:50] <TomaszD> it's indeed gnome-session
[17:27] <emgent> hello
[17:28]  * _MMA_ waves.
[17:32] <sistpoty> doko: please give back haskell-http on sparc, thanks!
[17:37] <mario_limonciell> keescook, ping
[17:45] <keescook> mario_limonciell: hola
[17:45] <emgent> hi keescook :)
[17:45] <mario_limonciell> hi keescook.  I went through and triaged a majority of the bugs on lirc last night
[17:45] <keescook> heya emgent
[17:46] <mario_limonciell> i rolled up all the fixes into a bzr branch
[17:46] <keescook> mario_limonciell: i saw all the bug mail come through.  nice :)
[17:46] <emgent> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', che si trova anche nel pacchetto language-pack-gnome-en
[17:46] <emgent> argh
[17:46] <keescook> mario_limonciell: cool, you need me to sponsor it in?
[17:47] <mario_limonciell> keescook, there will probably be one or two more bugs that are going to be needing fixes, but I'm not confident that they will get done in time for hardy, so yeah could you sponsor the branch in its current state and if they get done, i'll let you know
[17:47] <keescook> mario_limonciell: bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/lirc/ubuntu/ ?
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> keescook, er no.  looks like i pushed it somewhere new
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> let me get you a url
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> i'll have to get it into a "standard" location sometime soon :)
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/lirc/hardy
[17:49] <keescook> mario_limonciell: all the other updates appear to be in the other URL, maybe it should be the standard location?  I'll pull yours in...
[17:50] <mario_limonciell> keescook, i lost the info for the old bzr branch so i re-inited this one
[17:50] <keescook> oh, heh
[17:58] <keescook> mario_limonciell: I've pushed to bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emythbuntu/lirc/ubuntu/ now, uploading in a moment...
[18:03] <mario_limonciell> keescook, okay thanks
[18:04] <keescook> mario_limonciell: np, thanks for all the fixing :)
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> well i'm personally hoping that people start submitting the fixes upstream.  I've put notes in bugs for folks to do it, but we'll see if it really happens.  that number of patches is really starting to grow :)
[18:07] <j^> loading http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown i get a username / password popup for www-admin.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <davmor2> when is release candidate out please.  I got it down as the 17th is that still the case?
[19:00] <lool> soren: I'm pushing misc fixes/features to ~lool/ubuntu-jeos/trunk; could you have a look and perhaps merge them?
[19:01] <lool> soren: I wanted to ask whether you would be interested in adding support for personality setting (linux32 chroot ...) when creating 32-bits chroots from 64-bits hosts
[19:02] <soren> lool: Could you be pursuaded to rebase your patch against the "refactor" branch?
[19:03] <soren> lool: I'll be sending an FFe tomorrow to upload that, so that should really be the focus of development from now on.
[19:03] <soren> lool: About linux32: We should certainly do that.
[19:03] <lool> soren: Ah
[19:05] <soren> lool: The code hasn't changed a whole lot, but it's been restructured quite a bit and a stack of bugs have been fixed.
[19:10] <lool> soren: I never "rebased" with bzr; I only did it with git; do you have any pointer on how this is done in bzr?
[19:10] <lool> "bzr help commands" and "bzr help rebase" didn't help
[19:11] <lool> Hmm google lets me think I need an additional plugin
[19:11] <lool> How a "I'll fix this in 10 minutes" session ends up eating 2 hours
[19:13] <soren> lool: Oh, I was thinking about doing it manually.
[19:14] <soren> lool: automatic rebasing won't do much good when the code has been refactored like that anyway.
[22:16] <hron84> hi! i using reprepro / repository, and i have a problem. I tried to make an own mirror from official mirror, and i started import packages to my repo, but all universe/multiverse package landed in main category. Why? Reprepro cannot handle universe/multiverse categories? In conf/distribution I filled correctly the Components and UDebComponents lines.
[22:21] <LaserJock> hron84: I think it must be a configuration problem
[22:21] <hron84> LaserJock: pls wait, i pastebin my config
[22:23] <hron84> LaserJock: http://pastebin.ca/955911
[22:25] <LaserJock> hron84: did you set up the updates file?
[22:25] <hron84> No, how can i do it? It can be a problem?
[22:26] <hron84> My system isn't an ubuntu
[22:27] <_MMA_> ?
[22:27] <ScottK> hron84: Then you're almost certainly in the wrong place to get help.
[22:28] <hron84> ScottK: and can you recommend me a good channel?
[22:28] <ScottK> hron84: What kind of system are you using?
[22:28] <LaserJock> hron84: I'd suggest reading  the man page or googling. I don't have a current reprepro setup, but when I did it certainly worked right, mirroring main and universe
[22:29] <hron84> ScottK: I using a Gentoo Linux. I installed reprepro with no problem (compiled it from source). I want create a custom ubuntu mirror, because i have a machine somewhere without net
[22:30] <ScottK> Then I'd suggest checking on the web site where you got the source for support information.
[22:32] <hron84> I downloaded it from archives.ubuntu.com... it doesn't contains package-specific support infos. I known and using linux, but I don't have experience with ubuntu distro-specific things
[22:35] <slangasek> but if you built it on gentoo, you didn't use the existing build-dependency support in Debian/Ubuntu to build it, you had to translate that somehow to Gentoo; that's not something that the Ubuntu community is going to provide you with support for, you're going to need to contact the upstream author
[22:39] <hron84> slangasek: I have an enough knowledge to understand the dependencies an one program. I think, if i miss any dependency, it can't work as well. And, it doesn't seems as dependency problem, it seems configuration problem. But, i will find upstream author too, but i hoped, i can give some info about this problem.
[22:40] <LaserJock> hron84: just google around for reprepro configurations and/or look at the man page
[23:27] <jdong> WTF
[23:27] <jdong> "There was an error copying the file into smb://foo/bar"
[23:27] <jdong> Show more details:
[23:27] <jdong> Success.
[23:33] <soren> jdong: heh. I've something like that in evolution before, too.
[23:34] <jdong> soren: Hardy, gvfs copying a file onto smb://
[23:34] <soren> jdong: "Failure while connecting to mail.linux2go.dk: Success." I never knew quite what to make of that.
[23:34]  * jdong grumbles and uses good old scp :)
[23:35] <_MMA_> jdong: I get errors when coping multiple files. It will copy 7 out of 10 files then tell me I dont have permission to the folder. But after I can copy the remaining files fine. Its totally random.
[23:36] <_MMA_> Using samba that is.


[13:09] <Laibsch> Where can I file a bug report against launchpad janitor?
[13:10] <Laibsch> the bug page of said janitor keeps crashing, btw, but I guess that is a bug in LP itself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~janitor          (Error ID:         OOPS-527d00d805a1bed056e8977efc793a21)
[15:52] <cjwatson> Laibsch: File such things against Launchpad itself (https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad)
[15:53] <Laibsch> cjwatson: thanks
[15:53] <Laibsch> congrats on yet another release
[15:53] <cjwatson> That bug OOPS is a timeout with a five-second query on the denormalised BugTaskFlat query.  I suspect it's in the category of things that will be fixed by new DB servers.
[15:53]  * Laibsch hopes the Ubuntu phone will become a reality after all
[15:53] <cjwatson> Thanks
[15:54] <cjwatson> s/BugTaskFlat query/BugTaskFlat table/
[17:38] <wgrant> That specific case is not something that's ever likely to be fixed.
[17:38] <wgrant> ~janitor has commented on a good number of bugs.
[23:27] <recover> Hello. I am trying to upload a package that uses "dh_bash-completion" in my rules file. It works fine locally but launchpad fails with "Command not found". What am I doing wrong? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188297907/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.truecrypt_7.1a-5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:32] <teward> recover: you're probably missing a debhelper package in the build deps somewhere.  I take it that you're building TrueCrypt though... you know that's not recommended for use anymore right?
[23:32] <recover> I know all about it. Do I add dh_bash-completion directly to the "Build-Depends:" line?
[23:33] <teward>  I'd say hunt down the actual package name for it and then maybe add it to the build deps line.  No guarantee it'll work though, just a theory
[23:34] <recover> I think I got it, I thought debhelper supplied all the dh_ packages, but I need bash-completion to get the helper
[23:34] <recover> thanks!
[23:41] <cjwatson> recover: I'd also suggest using one of the systems that builds your package in a clean chroot to test things locally, for example sbuild (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild)
[23:42] <cjwatson> Won't be absolutely identical to Launchpad builds in every respect but it's pretty close and it catches things like this
[23:44] <recover> I am testing with pdebuild, which seems to be working well enough, forgot to do it before uploading but I'm using it now that I know there's a problem
[23:47] <teward> i use sbuild, as cjwatson said, 'course I now need to update all my chroots because i upgraded the system, but meh.


[08:00] <dk0r> Any suggestions for a torrent client and burning rom? Im new to linux.
[08:00] <dk0r> Oh, also a news client
[08:00] <dk0r> with indexing
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> I use rtorrent (cli, simple)
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> !burners
[08:14] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> !news
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about news - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> blah
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> Liferea, Thunderbird, Sage are all contenders.
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> (for my purposes, not necessarily yours)
[08:27] <dk0r> tonyyarusso, are you an op?
[08:28] <dk0r> staff*
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> dk0r: For a number of Ubuntu channels, yes; Freenode, no.
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> (sorry for the long response - I'm on my way to bed)
[09:02] <dk0r> tonyyarusso, heh ok.
[09:02] <dk0r> oh. im in the wrong room
[09:02] <dk0r> geez.


[14:20] <Grimsqueaker> I am trying to make an upstart script in Ubuntu Karmic for Virtualbos-OSE 3. Basically I want it to start up some virtual machines on boot, respawn them if they die, and save their state / shut them down if the box shuts down. My current script is http://pastebin.com/m8e8fd79.
[14:21] <Grimsqueaker> Can anyone help out? Its not working when I boot the box.
[21:08] <keesj> Keybuk: going to FOSDEM ?
[21:28] <JanC> he's probably in the US now, not sure he will be back in time
[21:29] <JanC> although he's very welcome of course  ☺
[21:30] <keesj> He did a talk last year so I guessed he might
[21:32] <JanC> they are at a sprint in Portland AFAIK
[21:36] <sadmac2> where in the US is he?
[21:36] <keesj> I did not do so much upstart work in the last year.
[21:36] <sadmac2> Even I've not done all that much
[21:36] <ion> Washington, it seems.
[21:37] <sadmac2> graduation, $dayjob, life's been interesting
[21:37] <sadmac2> ion: as in DC?
[21:39] <ion> A GeoIP lookup puts his IP address at 45.9420,-122.6720 with no guarantee of accuracy of any kind, of course.
[21:40] <sadmac2> ion: smart money puts him in Portland
[21:41] <ion> Indeed, a whois lookup on the IP address says the block is owned by a company in Portland, Oregon.
[21:42] <sadmac2> ion: you're a good stalker
[21:42] <JanC> I know there is a sprint with lots of Canonical people in Portland, so I supposed he was there  ;)
[21:43] <ion> sadmac: On the Internet, perhaps. :-P
[21:43] <JanC> anyway, I'm not sure exactly when it ends
[21:44] <JanC> I will be at FOSDEM, but I guess that's less important for keesj...   ;-)
[21:44] <keesj> I don't really know :p
[21:45] <ion> Meanwhile, /me is amazed of how easy failover between computers is in Erlang: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/lang/erlang/doc/design_principles/distributed_applications.html
[21:45] <JanC> ion: well, that's what Erlang was designed for
[21:47] <ion> Obviously, but it could have been made much more difficult by worse designers.
[21:47] <JanC> true
[21:48]  * sadmac2 tries to think of actual relevant products coming out of Ericcson proper.
[21:49] <sadmac2> non-pure functional languages kind of worry me. Its an opportunity to not really "get" functional programming.
[21:49] <JanC> sadmac2: their mobile phones & TV sets have a pretty good reputation AFAIK  ;)
[21:49] <keesj> last years FOSDEM I really had fun with ADA. I wonder what this year will bring , JanC is that TOR related to the tor proxy?
[21:49] <sadmac2> JanC: the mobile phones are Sony-Ericcson, which is a very different animal
[21:49] <sadmac2> JanC: not sure about the TVs
[21:50]  * sadmac2 knew a Sony-Ericcson employee
[21:50] <JanC> sadmac2: now yes, my brother had an Ericsson mobile phone for years, and they don't make any like that anymore  ;)
[21:50] <sadmac2> keesj: ADA? as in the programming language? (I'd think not)
[21:51] <sadmac2> JanC: brick-o-phone?
[21:51] <JanC> it wasn't too big, but you could throw it against a brick wall and it would still work  :P
[21:52] <JanC> I think they still use Erlang for (mobile) telephony switches though?
[21:53] <ion> I’m sure Erlang’s telephony infrastructure stuff has a good reputation. They boast 99.9999999 % (“nine nines”) reliability for some products. And having learned about the workings of Erlang, i can see how such reliability can be achieved.
[21:53] <JanC> thats' why they designed it after all
[21:53] <sadmac2> My dad used to work on that stuff at Alcatel
[21:54] <JanC> I mean, Nokia telephony switches ran on Windows in the past (not sure if that's still true)
[21:54] <JanC> or was it their SMS software or whatever
[21:54] <JanC> I always found that weird  ;-)
[21:55] <sadmac2> don't hear much from them these days actually. There's the n900, but I don't encounter it often.
[21:55] <ion> (1 − 99.9999999 %) years = 30 milliseconds, btw. :-)
[21:55] <Keybuk> keesj: unlikely ;)
[21:56] <Keybuk> I am, indeed, in Portland, OR
[21:56] <sadmac2> Keybuk: if you were in DC I'd tell you to move your departure to RDU and come take a bus and see me.
[21:57] <Keybuk> no, the better coast
[22:00] <sadmac2> Keybuk: you're not even a citizen yet and you're already a regional snob? :)
[22:00] <Keybuk> "yet" ?
[22:01] <JanC> so, who else outside of keesj & me comes to FOSDEM?  ☺
[22:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: yet!
[22:01] <Keybuk> sadmac2: I don't think there's any way for me to *become* a citizen
[22:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: don't you know? after about your 25th trip in we just shanghai you.
[22:02] <sadmac2> Keybuk: going to Japan has me feeling nice and rosy about the US immigration process. There's 10th generation Koreans over there who aren't citizens.
[22:03] <sadmac2> Keybuk: its impossible in the literal sense. If your parents aren't Japanese, neither are you. Period. Forever.
[22:09] <Keybuk> huh?
[22:09] <Keybuk> I was referring to the US
[22:13] <JanC> sadmac2: that's weird, as at least 50% of the people in Japan are actually Korean ((pre-)historically speaking) ;)
[22:23] <keesj> the n900 is rly great (and runs upstart)
[22:25] <keesj> 0.3.8 that is
[22:44] <sadmac> Keybuk: yes. I conducted a massive segue.
[22:45] <Keybuk> right
[23:07]  * Keybuk has no degree, no phd, etc.
[23:07] <Keybuk> means no immigration
[23:08] <Keybuk> no visa
[23:12] <JanC> Keybuk: there is always the lottery IIRC ?  ;)
[23:12] <JanC> or was that in Canada
[23:12] <Keybuk> that's Canada I think
[23:12] <Keybuk> US uses a points system, and I have zarro points
[23:13] <JanC> ah, well, who cares  ;)


[14:01] <slangasek> heya - sorry folks, just one more minute on the hangout
[14:02] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjsmf5m75etcllbd4s9csac
[14:03] <slangasek> jodh: ^^
[14:04] <jodh> slangasek: thanks
[14:06] <zyga> hi
[14:08] <josepht> streaming yet?
[14:08] <slangasek> one more second
[14:08] <slangasek> well
[14:09] <slangasek> now
[14:09] <arges-uds> HI
[14:09] <Mirv> .
[14:10] <zyga> I can see the stream now
[14:10] <zyga> hi!
[14:10] <Mirv> ^ that pip indicates when the stream started, to give an idea of delay :)
[14:17] <arges-uds> did anybody test this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/969489/comments/98
[14:17] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 969489 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm tries (and fails) to start too early?" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Dalmer Vieira (dalmer-vieira)
[14:20] <arges-uds> Won't people affected by this bug be willing to test solutions?
[14:23] <arges-uds> Gotcha.
[14:25] <smb> Would there also be a possibility to make feedback (like mountall waiting) also appear for configs that have console on serial?
[14:29]  * ogra_ would even go further ... redirect all logging to serial if available and still be able to show a splash on the framebuffer
[14:31] <Mirv> QUESTION: Would the remaining (shutdown) part of bug #967229 fit to the blueprint? An OEM Priority tagged bug. I know it has been mentioned to be difficult without changing architecture some way, though.
[14:31] <udsbotu> Ubuntu bug 967229 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Text mode shown briefly with various "cryptic" texts when logging out or shutting down" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967229 - Assigned to Steve Langasek (vorlon)
[14:33] <karni> So there's a difference between operation kicking in long (like waiting for a download from the store to start) which should be indicated by a spinner or something, and an operation taking unacceptably long on the UI thread (i.e. you press a button, see it's highlighted, when you lift a finger, it's still highlighted because the operation hooked to that button has not finished). The spinner is responsible of the developer, the latter ...
[14:33] <karni> ... visual feedback responsibility of the platform/framework to indicate "hey you, developer, you actually can do this better than what you did here".
[14:34] <Mirv> karni: wrong channel? this'd be the boot experience one?
[14:34] <karni> dang it, appdev-2 not core-2, sorry ;)
[14:34] <karni> Mirv: thanks
[14:35] <Mirv> thanks slangasek, just checking if any new thoughts on the topic
[14:36] <smb> ogra_, me would be on the opposite side. Rather not be forced to move to framebuffer at all. Does not always work that well with virtual KVM switches and remote administration of servers... ;-P
[14:36] <smb> But one cannot get everything :)
[14:36] <ogra_> oh, i didnt mean to force people ...
[14:36] <apw> smb, can't you just disable plymouth for your case completely
[14:36] <ogra_> currentl plymouth doesnt allow serial and framebuffer at the same time
[14:37] <ogra_> apw, no, mountall needs it
[14:38] <smb> ogra_, Was not assuming you wanted to force me. :)
[14:39] <slangasek> apw: disabling plymouth completely means you can't interact with fsck if it goes pear-shaped
[14:40] <apw> slangasek, but can he disable splash and get textual and serialisable forms ?
[14:40] <slangasek> apw: ok, but that's not "disable plymouth" :)
[14:40] <smb> slangasek, not that I can interact with anything with plymouth still enabled but having console redirected to serial. ;) just saying
[14:43] <smb> jodh, slangasek have you looked at boot speed (on to lightdm - lightdm to desktop) generally (had the feeling it became slower at least on netbook i386 atom style hw)
[14:43] <slangasek> haven't looked into it; we should have routine bootspeed tests in the lab
[14:43] <smb> slangasek, Yep and when finding them they showed some slowing down
[14:44] <slangasek> ok
[14:44] <Mirv> I've had mostly trouble with shutdown speed :) I've manually tweaked sendsigs max delaay to 1 second on all my computers bug #1212142
[14:44] <udsbotu> Ubuntu bug 1212142 in sysvinit (Ubuntu Saucy) "Slow shutdown/restart on saucy with sendsigs waiting 10 seconds" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1212142
[14:45] <smb> Its a bit hard to dig down to useful runs to compare.... (bit being a bit underestimated)
[14:45] <smb> apw could tell about it when he remembers. :)
[14:47] <smb> ITs probably nothing that can be resolved here
[14:47] <smb> Just wanted to bring it up
[14:48] <smb> IIRC there was some reordering of executed thigns at some point and I think rendering seemed to get delayed
[14:49] <Mirv> yes, it seems I've the 10 seconds wait every time without reasonable reason
[14:50] <Mirv> thanks
[14:50] <slangasek> jodh: ^^ maybe you can work with Mirv to get additional one-off debugging info
[14:50] <smb> see you
[14:50] <ogra_> thanx
[14:51] <slangasek> perhaps there are lingering upstart user session shutdown problems
[14:52] <Mirv> sure, happy to help on debugging jodh. I think lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/saucy/sysvinit/log-processes-and-open-files-on-shutdown however needs refreshing and retargeting to trusty.
[14:56] <jodh> slangasek, Mirv: sure.
[14:58] <mlankhorst> hey
[14:59] <apw> ho
[14:59] <smb> lets go
[14:59] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjqblm39a6ab37ctlc75f3s
[15:02] <pitti> jibel: ^ do you join?
[15:02] <slangasek> bdmurray: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjqblm39a6ab37ctlc75f3s
[15:02] <jibel> pitti, yes
[15:04] <slangasek> session is started - two minutes early :-)
[15:04] <mlankhorst> 2 minute lag
[15:17] <plars> I don't know that we're still planning to move all this to utah
[15:47] <xnox> ..
[15:48] <xnox> QUESTION: the amd64 tests will run with i386 multi-arch enabled right?
[15:49] <xnox> slangasek: from quantal to what? (straight to trusty)
[15:50] <slangasek> xnox: yes
[15:51] <xnox> ack.
[15:52] <bdmurray> jibel: /usr/share/ubuntu-release-upgrader/DistUpgrade.cfg <- that change?
[15:53] <xnox> and will we support raring straight to trusty as well? or do we expect raring people to upgrade via saucy?
[15:53] <jibel> bdmurray, there is this and there was another change in the upgrader code
[15:53] <jibel> bdmurray, it was when I checkd if it was possible to force the upgrade from LTS to any stable
[15:53] <slangasek> xnox: raring goes EOL before trusty is released, so they need to upgrade to saucy
[15:53] <xnox> ah, fair enough.
[15:54] <xnox> so it's only quantal, which is a unique 18m snow-flake.
[15:56] <xnox> slangasek: jodh: thanks for work-items on boot-ui session =) re: better handle output to console when splash is not in use - as far as I could tell, the plymouth-text-plugin seened to be modifyied to support same "progress" messages as "fancy graphics plugin" does. (if that's what you have discussed, haven't watched the video yet)
[15:58] <xnox> does X have security support?
[15:59] <slangasek> xnox: it's a protocol extension ;-P
[15:59] <xnox> =)))))
[15:59] <jibel> bdmurray, in MetaRelease.py line 276
[16:00] <jibel> bdmurray, it stops at the 1rst upgradeable release
[16:00] <mlankhorst> EOW :P
[16:00] <bdmurray> jibel: ah, thanks
[16:01] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjlhnbik772ohdk2kqns32k
[16:04] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjlhnbik772ohdk2kqns32k
[16:04] <jamespage> o/
[16:05] <slangasek> jamespage: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjlhnbik772ohdk2kqns32k
[16:07] <pbass> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiT4gOXSkmapdGdFejk0MjFydUlNMDVoMXNRdGdkbFE#gid=1
[16:08] <bjf> the one question/issue i have (continuing issue) is launchpadlib and python 3
[16:09] <alecu> QUESTION: what's the color coding of the spreadsheet?
[16:11] <alecu> ah, it seems: unported=blue, inprogress=yellow
[16:13] <pbass> alecu:described in the blueprint: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsTPythonVersions
[16:13] <cjwatson> bjf: I understand that it's stuck on zope backporting
[16:13] <cjwatson> or I probably mean just porting
[16:13] <alecu> great, thanks
[16:13] <bjf> cjwatson, is it on anyone's priority list?
[16:15] <cjwatson> not right now, the LP team was reduced to a shadow of its former self ...
[16:17] <bjf> cjwatson, i thought apport still uses lauchpadlib (could be wrong)
[16:17] <cjwatson> It may well
[16:17] <pitti> it does
[16:18] <pitti> and a whole lot of other bits too, but we don't ship them by default either
[16:18] <pitti> (we don't ship the apport python2 bits which needs launchpadlib by default)
[16:20] <jamespage> the other biggish one for server: maas
[16:21] <ralsina_> yes, xapian was the big problem and no, usc is not going away :-)
[16:21] <ralsina_> mvo had done some work on using sqlite FTS instead
[16:22] <alecu> we are keeping software center for 14.04, since we still need .deb apps for unity7, but we'll likely drop it once we have unity8 running as default on 14.10 or
[16:22] <alecu> later
[16:22] <xnox> thanks.
[16:23] <slangasek> well, we need .deb support in the USC replacement for some time to come
[16:24] <slangasek> please don't think that unity8 on the desktop means we don't need .deb support
[16:24] <kiwinote> fwiw there is app grid (improvement to s-c) ( http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/app-grid-discover-and-install-apps-for-your-computer/960 ) which already runs fully on python3 already - the main issue is licensing atm, but that's within my control - if there's interest we can discuss
[16:25] <facundobatista>     3.4.0 beta 2: January 5, 2014
[16:25] <facundobatista>     3.4.0 candidate 1: January 19, 2014
[16:25] <facundobatista>     3.4.0 candidate 2: February 2, 2014
[16:25] <facundobatista>     3.4.0 final: February 23, 2014
[16:28] <ralsina_> kiwinote: that's *very* interesting, I'd love to talk with you about it :-)
[16:29] <alecu> kiwinote: what backend are you using for the ratings and reviews? the same one as usc?
[16:29] <alecu> kiwinote: it looks awesome indeed
[16:29] <kiwinote> alecu: yes, backend is rnr-server, but with a custom client side
[16:31] <kiwinote> ralsina_: feel free to e-mail me (@gmail) if you want to set up a hangout some time next week or so
[16:40] <sbeattie> python security support has not been too onerous; issues have commonly been around SSL issues IIRC; getting TLS v1.1 and v1.2 natively in python 3.4 (rather than pyopenssl) would be nice, I think.
[16:47] <ralsina_> SSO *may* go away
[16:47] <ralsina_> and be replaced by ubuntu online accounts :-)
[16:55] <ralsina_> reportlab is not near a py3 release at all
[16:56] <alecu> thanks, bye!
[17:58]  * slangasek waves
[17:59] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjq10emqosh7e6eu20vbnas
[18:05] <slangasek> jamespage: hi, are you able to join this session to discuss the release schedule issues?
[18:06] <jamespage> slangasek, smoser should be along
[18:06] <slangasek> ok
[18:06] <slangasek> smoser: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjq10emqosh7e6eu20vbnas
[18:07] <slangasek> live
[18:08] <knome> hey, sorry for being late. what's the youtube url?
[18:09] <slangasek> the youtube url is in the summit window, as normal... do you mean the hangout url?
[18:09] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjq10emqosh7e6eu20vbnas
[18:09] <knome> no... the youtube url, i don't want to open the summit url (:
[18:10] <smoser>   Youtube: http://youtu.be/hsEfuUkiN2Y
[18:10] <smoser> knome, ^
[18:11] <knome> cheers
[18:12] <knome> has there been discussion about flavor release schedules?
[18:14] <knome> xubuntu, it looks like (for point release)
[18:15] <smoser>   Etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-core-1311-release
[18:21] <knome> release on wednesday april 30 (:
[18:28] <infinity> smoser: Since hangouts hates me.  Has anyone actually suggested to upstream that they release a week or two earlier?
[18:29] <infinity> smoser: In the past, they released on Apr 5 and Apr 4.
[18:29] <infinity> smoser: So, really, like I said, if they keep slipping, we can't adjust for them forever.
[18:31] <infinity> smoser: I think, in the future, we're going to end up always releasing with RCs, unless they pull their releases up a bit.
[18:32] <smoser> infinity, agreed.
[18:33] <knome> isn't the goal to have a stable release?
[18:33] <knome> yeah, but the next release is LTS+1
[18:35] <knome> it was brought to me elsewhere is that why aren't people still respecting freezes
[18:35] <knome> all this discussion seems to revolve around the same issue
[18:35] <knome> if we release on 17th, and you're late, then you're late
[18:35] <smoser> so we don't like to do SRU on fridays, due to fallout
[18:36] <smoser> but we'll do a release on the day before a 4 day weekend :)
[18:36] <slangasek> it's not a 4-day weekend for /all/ of us :)
[18:36] <cjwatson> I'm not wild about that either, but ...
[18:37] <knome> it's like giving people freeze exceptions before the cycle even began, and then moving around all other dates and other peoples' schedules
[18:37] <smoser> knome, i'm aware its not perfect.
[18:38] <smoser> (even with a high degree of fuzzyness around 'perfect')
[18:39] <knome> i mean, there was some serious discussions on "do not grant exceptions as much as before" in UDS-R, but then there was xmir landing with an exception (which fortunately didn't happen)
[18:40] <knome> ^ just some feedback for the review&discussion.
[18:41] <knome> is there any reason to not move the alpha1/2 freezes to mon/tue?
[18:41] <knome> like the beta freezes
[18:44] <cjwatson> I'm not actually concerned that icehouse is a freeze break in a meaningful sense, since in the past last RC -> final has been a trivial change
[18:45] <knome> sure, wasn't about that specifically
[18:45] <knome> brb
[18:53] <knome> (back)
[18:59] <knome> slangasek, ^
[18:59] <knome> --> is there any reason to not move the alpha1/2 freezes to mon/tue?
[19:00] <cjwatson> there's no alpha 1/2 freeze listed on the schedule right now at all ...
[19:00] <Laney> I think they will be, if we have a freeze at all
[19:01] <cjwatson> if we had them I wouldn't see a reason to have them be longer than the beta1 freeze
[19:01] <slangasek> knome: alpha1/2 freezes> oh, perhaps we should have discussed that explicitly, yeah... let me take an action to follow up on list, I think we definitely do want shorter freezes for the alphas
[19:01] <knome> well isn't there going to be *some* freeze anyway?
[19:01] <Laney> We agreed on shortening them in a thread last cycle
[19:01] <cjwatson> (which is listed as mon/tue)
[19:01] <knome> slangasek, cheers
[19:01] <infinity> +1 on formalising it to Monday, though it's not a hard freeze anyway, just a block and some discretion.
[19:01] <knome> is there an action item on following up with flavors on whether/which milestones they will participate in?
[19:02] <Laney> It'll be per-milestone
[19:02] <Laney> There's usually a call out $days before asking who wants to participate
[19:02] <knome> okay. does the release team want to track that somewhere, because i can promise xubuntu is opting-in in every milestone.
[19:02] <skaet> knome,  I'll take an action to get a survey done as part of alpha 1
[19:03] <knome> skaet, ^ there you go then :)
[19:03] <skaet> will put a page togehter.
[19:03] <knome> cheers
[19:03] <knome> i suppose that was all i had to ask for now... you can catch me on #ubuntu-release if needed.
[19:04] <Laney> So how are people supposed to get put forward for <archive management team>?
[19:04] <Laney> Asking for a friend.
[19:04] <Laney> Oh, got to go.
[23:49] <Guest17696> hey guys , i would like to know if x will be the default or mir be the default on 14.04 ?


[01:15] <hendry> hello? https://twitter.com/jshharlow/status/750710649169162240
[01:15] <hendry> think the timezones are going to screw us
[09:10] <Odd_Bloke> hendry: o/ I don't know about harlowja, but I think smoser is on vacation this week.
[09:14] <hendry> ohkay
[09:27] <Odd_Bloke> hendry: (And I'm pretty sure harlowja is West Coast US)
[15:15] <harlowja> yup i am


[00:09] <Omni|Work> I want to create a 'full clone' of an upstream repository that has a number of branches.
[00:09] <Omni|Work> I want copies of all of those branches on my local system.
[00:10] <Omni|Work> Is this possible?
[00:10] <spiv> Currently, not in a single command.
[00:11] <spiv> You can of course make a local repository and then branch each upstream branch into it (and there might be plugins that can help you automate that?)
[00:12] <Omni|Work> How do I do that and ensure that the branches are 'branched into the local repository' rather than each turning into their own standalone repositories?
[00:13] <wilx> Omni|Work: You branch them into a shared repo.
[00:15] <Omni|Work> wilx: bzr init-repo something ; cd something ; bzr branch bzr://repo/a-branch
[00:15] <spiv> Omni|Work: right
[00:18] <Omni|Work> Interesting.
[03:25] <mgrandi> what does this error mean? bzr: ERROR: _ssl.c:319: No root certificates specified for verification of other-side certificates.
[03:29] <spiv> You're trying to connect to an HTTPS server?
[03:29] <mgrandi> i think, tried to just put a github url as the thing to merge with
[03:30] <spiv> It means that for some reason the pycurl library (which bzr uses for https) hasn't got any root certificates configured, thus it can't actually verify the authenticity of any server certificates.
[03:30] <mgrandi> well i'm on a mac, where are these certificates ?
[03:31] <spiv> I don't know, sorry :(
[03:33] <goddard> whats a good bzr tutorial for some one with a short attention span?
[03:33] <mgrandi> the bzr docs? oo
[03:34] <mgrandi> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/CACertificates#Mac_OS_X_10.6_and_higher
[03:34] <mgrandi> needs the keychain, hmm >.>
[03:45] <goddard> mgrandi: thats funny
[03:46] <mgrandi> i mean, if you don't want to read some documentation wehn its pretty simple as that, i dunno what to tell you...
[03:48] <goddard> mgrandi: i didn't say it was me.
[03:49] <goddard> :D
[04:08] <poolie> mgrandi, there's an 'in ten minutes' doc on doc.bazaar.canonical.com
[04:08] <mgrandi> ah, tell that to goddard =)
[04:08] <poolie> i mean, goddard
[04:08] <poolie> :)
[04:08] <poolie> mgrandi, for you, there's an open bug that bzr doesn't know how to talk to the os x keychain, i think
[04:09] <poolie> there's a way to disable it
[04:09] <poolie> which bzr version are you using?
[04:09] <mgrandi> 2.5b6
[04:09] <mgrandi> it says to use -Oca.certs=none or something
[04:09] <mgrandi> which worked
[06:05] <poolie> mgrandi, ok good
[06:05] <poolie> i think that's fixed to be off by default in 2.5.0
[06:05] <mgrandi> using ssl certs?
[06:06] <poolie> yes on mac os
[06:06] <poolie> until it's hooked up
[06:06] <mgrandi> is there an api for the keychain?
[06:07] <mgrandi> how does any other program look up ssl certs then...
[07:14] <goddard> does bzr upload let you have a dev and a live upload?
[07:14] <goddard> or how do you do that?
[07:14] <poolie> goddard, i think you can just give it different urls to upload to
[07:15] <poolie> that's probably what i'd do
[07:15] <poolie> maybe two branches, depending on how much you expect them to vary
[07:15] <poolie> i would aim for not having too much variation
[07:17] <goddard> what is the point of branches?
[07:18] <goddard> i know it is the line of development for a project
[07:18] <goddard> but what should i use it for?
[09:09] <mgz> morning all!
[09:19] <poolie> hi all, and goodbye
[09:30] <wgz> hm, the bzr beta ppa is dead? maxb was maintaining and hasn't been updated since November
[09:31] <wgz> what should be suggested in bug 944557 as an alternative?
[09:32] <wgz> ...you're being too clever ubot5, I wanted a link to the dupe
[10:25] <soren> I'm having trouble with bzr behind a proxy.
[10:26] <soren> bzr branch lp:reincarnate
[10:26] <soren> bzr: ERROR: Certificate error: hostname 'proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com' doesn't match either of '*.launchpad.net', 'launchpad.net'
[10:26] <Daviey> soren: Do they have ssl bump proxy?
[10:26] <soren> Both $http_proxy and $https_proxy read "http://proxy-sjc-1.cisc.com/"
[10:26] <soren> Daviey: It works well enough to talk to launchpad in w3m.
[10:27] <soren> Sorry, that was a lie. Both $http_proxy and $https_proxy read "http://proxy-sjc-1.cisc.com:80/"
[10:27] <Daviey> soren: right, but are they MITM'ling you?
[10:27] <soren> Daviey: Not enough to make w3m upset at all.
[10:28] <soren> wget is also perfectly content fetching things over https.
[10:28] <soren> So no. They're not.
[10:28] <Daviey> soren: right, but if *.cisc.com is a valid cert, it won't complain, right?
[10:28] <soren> Daviey: Then why would bzr?
[10:28] <Daviey> It seems to me that bzr has stricter checking.
[10:29] <soren> It really looks like the checknig is backwards.
[10:30] <soren> It gets bzr branch lp:reincarnate
[10:30] <soren> bzr: ERROR: Certificate error: hostname 'proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com' doesn't match either of '*.launchpad.net', 'launchpad.net'
[10:30] <soren> Gah, whoops. Sorry.
[10:30] <soren> It gets the '*.launchpad.net', 'launchpad.net' from the cert, but compares it to the hostname of the proxy.
[10:30] <soren> Which seems wrong.
[10:31] <wgz> soren: file a bug, the urllib2 checking is new and python doesn't help out much, so there are probably issues.
[10:31] <soren> *sob*
[10:31] <soren> I guess maybe corkscrew will work for now.
[10:31] <wgz> soren: it would probably be useful to try with pycurl as well and confirm that that works
[10:31] <Daviey> soren: try, -Ossl.cert_reqs=none
[10:32] <soren> Daviey: But I *do* want cert checking :)
[10:32] <soren> Daviey: But it works.
[10:32] <Daviey> soren: and you DO want to be MITM'd? :)
[10:34] <soren> Er.. no.
[10:34] <soren> I thought we agreed I wasn't being MITM'd?
[10:34] <Daviey> soren: but yes, it would seem it doesn't take proxy into account.
[10:35] <Daviey> soren: i didn't agree that..
[10:36] <Daviey> soren: it's likely you are correct, but they could be doing. http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/SslBump
[10:38] <wgz> soren: try this as a cute workaround:
[10:38] <wgz> BZR_LP_XMLRPC_URL=http://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/bazaar/
[10:39] <wgz> nope, wrong value...
[10:40] <wgz> annoying that there's no way to override the connection method of that
[10:41] <soren> uite.
[10:41] <soren> Quite, even.
[10:43] <wgz> soren: I take it `bzr info https://bazaar.launchpad.net/` also complains about the cert?
[10:43] <wgz> (just to confirm this isn't xmlrpc specific)
[10:46] <soren> wgz: Hm.  No.
[10:46] <soren> $ bzr info https://bazaar.launchpad.net/
[10:46] <soren> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "https://bazaar.launchpad.net/".
[10:46] <wgz> okay, then it's launchpad plugin specific
[10:47] <wgz> certainly a bug in our code or a dependancy then
[10:47] <wgz> please file :)
[10:48] <soren> wgz: Already did.
[10:48] <wgz> soren: thanks!
[10:48] <soren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/944696
[10:49] <wgz> confirming that your browsers are happy talking to https://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/bazaar/ is probably also a good idea
[10:50] <soren> wgz: It just says "Your request didn't fit the protocol expected by this server."
[10:51] <soren> wgz: Which is also does from somewhere else, so that's fine.
[10:51] <wgz> yup, that's expected.
[10:54] <wgz> soren: the easy work around for now, provided you can ssh out, is to set your launchpad login so the lookup over http step isn't required
[10:55] <wgz> otherwise you can use the http url that lp:reincarnate resovles to to avoid the lookup for that particular branch
[10:58] <soren> wgz: I just added some more info to the bug (with a better stack trace)
[10:58] <soren> wgz: I can't ssh out, unfortunately.
[10:59] <wgz> well, `bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~soren/reincarnate/trunk/` should work at least
[11:00] <soren> wgz: Indeed it does.
[11:00] <wgz> loses much of the convience of lp: urls but generally they get remembered after the first time
[11:46] <Pikkachu> I want to fork a branch but it's overkill, I just want one file...what should I do?
[11:46] <Pikkachu> is it possible to create a separate branch which has nothing to do with it for then merging on a per file basis?
[11:53] <jelmer> Pikkachu: branching is cheap, even for a small change it shouldn't have much overhead
[11:53] <jelmer> Pikkachu: can you perhaps try to explain what you're trying to do exactly?
[11:56] <Pikkachu> jelmer: patching purple plugin pack, it' a whole pack but I just need one single file from it
[12:00] <jelmer> Pikkachu: what is the problem with simply merging that file?
[12:03] <Pikkachu> jelmer: the problem is a common ancestral to begin with
[12:04] <Pikkachu> jelmer: I wanted to move irchelper/irchleper.c to the top but it seems to confuse bzr completely, to the point of saying non-sense. I'm gonna try keeping file structure...
[12:05] <jelmer> Pikkachu: you can force common ancestry by using "bzr merge -r0..-1"
[12:24] <Pikkachu> (bzr 2.3) bzr: ERROR: No final name for trans_id 'new-4', file-id: None, root trans-id: 'new-0'
[12:27] <jelmer> Pikkachu: what are you trying to merge into what exactly? I can give it a try with 2.5.
[12:27] <Pikkachu> the problem is how to being
[12:27] <Pikkachu> begin
[12:27] <Pikkachu> I have a branch with lots of stuff
[12:27] <Pikkachu> I jus want a new branch with only of those files, what to do?
[12:28] <Pikkachu> I want to merge updates to that secific file later
[12:34] <jelmer> Pikkachu: I would suggest just writing a script that pulls in the files you need
[12:36] <nisu> how is nested tree support comming for bzr? It's hard to find comprehensive up-to-date imformation about that
[12:39] <jelmer> nisu: there are small incremental steps towards nested tree support
[12:39] <jelmer> with a bit of luck, 2.6 will have nested tree support
[12:39] <jelmer> I don't think we've published much about it
[12:40] <jelmer> I should finish off the update to the developer docs document about nested trees...
[12:41] <nisu> jelmer: sounds good
[12:41] <nisu> does that include tracking remote repositories of lets say subversion code as nested trees?
[12:54] <Pikkachu> hm ok jelmer thanks anyway
[12:56] <fayaz> hi, is there any way i can convert a shared repository into one with no-trees?
[13:10] <jelmer> nisu: that's a separate topic, although in the case of bzr-svn and bzr-git most of the code to support svn-externals and git submodules is already present (just waiting for the support from bzr core)
[13:13] <nisu> jelmer: that is not exactly what I meant, I am more interested to know if it will be possible to import a plain svn or git branch using bzr-* into a nested tree of a pure bzr project
[13:14] <jelmer> nisu: ah, I see
[13:14] <jelmer> nisu: yes, that would be possible
[13:15] <nisu> jelmer: nice, can't wait to try it out :)
[13:38] <Pikkachu> bzr branch pack fork; mv fork/sub/file .; rm -r fork/*; mkdir fork/sub; cp file fork/sub; cd fork; bzr add; bzr commit -m "Pack purge except for file"; bzr tag PURGE; <patches here>; bzr commit -m "my fork"; bzr merge ../pack/sub/file
[13:38] <Pikkachu> is this workflow ok?
[13:44] <jelmer> Pikkachu: sure
[13:50] <Pikkachu> how about making 'fork' --stacked for having it even more lightweight?
[14:02] <jelmer> Pikkachu: there is a --stacked option to 'bzr branch', if that's what you mean
[14:03] <Pikkachu> that's what I mean, I would like to stick the branch on exactly where I diverge
[14:04] <Pikkachu> so when I branch it from LP it's lightweight
[14:04] <Pikkachu> (I likely won't be any interested in changes prior to the divergence and purge)
[14:05] <Pikkachu> but I'm a bit afraid after reading the docs...:(
[14:12] <jelmer> Pikkachu: how do you mean?
[14:17] <Pikkachu> I'm just afraid of using it, nothing much...
[14:33] <james_w> if running some code using bzr is exiting and just printing "Killed" to the terminal, what would that indicate?
[14:36] <mgz> james_w: SIGTERM I'd guess
[14:37] <james_w> hrm
[14:44] <mgz> james_w: SIGKILL rather
[14:45] <james_w> I wonder if celery is getting involved even though I'm not actually going through it in this case
[14:45] <mgz> I was going to suggest you installed a signal handler, but doesn't help with that case
[14:48] <james_w> it's pretty hard to branch large branches if you can barely get the revision history from the server prior to whatever timeout is kicking in :-)
[14:59] <james_w> aha
[14:59] <james_w> oom killer
[15:00] <mgz> ehehe
[15:00] <mgz> an old friend
[15:19] <abentley> jelmer: the daily builds of pqm for oneiric-lucid are failing.  I can't reproduce the errors locally-- even with no email set, I get a default.
[16:07] <jelmer> abentley: I think it might be related to the version of bzr
[16:07] <jelmer> let me see if I can reproduce it here
[16:09] <goddard> bzr just chokced on me over a file name
[16:09] <goddard> InvalidEntryName
[16:10] <jelmer> goddard: what's the file name?
[16:13] <abentley> jelmer: Yeah, I reverted to the version of bzr specified by the bzr package name, but still couldn't get it.
[16:16] <jelmer> abentley: it seems to've built fine here
[16:16] <jelmer> and there is a new build pending
[16:16] <jelmer> http://people.canonical.com/~jelmer/recipe-status/bzr.html
[16:17] <abentley> jelmer: unless you've changed those tests, I'd expect the pending builds (except precise) to fail.
[16:18] <jelmer> abentley: unfortunately I can't see any of the old builds on the daily build page (https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/+recipe/bzr-pqm-daily)
[16:18] <abentley> jelmer: No, you can get to them via the PPA package listings, though.
[16:19] <abentley> jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/daily/+packages?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[16:22] <goddard> this is what it is giving me
[16:22] <goddard> %\^5C5^5C597A95%?min_videos_edit.tpl.php
[16:23] <goddard> looks like a cached file to me
[16:25] <jelmer> goddard: that file seems to contain a backslash, which is a prohibited character
[16:36] <goddard> that is why i got the error
[20:07] <lamalex> Does anyone know when the -c flag was added to bzr merge?
[20:07] <jelmer> lamalex: it's really old - it's been there for as long as I can remember
[20:08] <lamalex> far out
[20:08] <lamalex> i wish i knew this ages ago. i thought you had to do bzr merge -r Y..X barnch
[20:09] <jelmer> there are a few other commands that support -c too
[20:09] <jelmer> 'bzr diff' and 'bzr log' in particular
[21:16] <wilx> Hi.
[21:16] <wilx> Is there any explanation anywhere about the three different merge algorithms?
[21:17] <wilx> Merge3, LCA, Weave?
[21:19] <wilx> Never mind, I have found this: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/developers/lca-merge.html
[21:23] <wilx> Hmm, still not enough information about the --weave algorithm.
[21:23] <wilx> Also, what is the --reprocess switch about? The help text is rather uninformative.
[21:24] <fullermd> Just try using it.  Then you'll be doubly uninformed.
[21:24] <wilx> Heh.
[21:24] <wilx> I want to know what to expect.
[21:24] <fullermd> There are some fair explications of weave merges out there.  I think --weave is not actually precisely a weave merge anymore, but it's comparable.
[21:25] <fullermd> If you can dig up some of the talk about "Precise Codeville Merge" from years back, I believe that's essentially a reinvention of weave merges.
[21:31] <wilx> I see.
[21:31] <wilx> Isn't LCA what monotone uses?
[21:33] <fullermd> I think mark-merge is a bit different.  But I was a little hand-wavy on the details when I had it all loaded into my brain, and that was years ago.
[21:36] <wilx> http://revctrl.org/FrontPage
[21:36] <wilx> I hate wiki spammers :(
[21:36] <wilx> They destroy so much useful stuff.
[21:36] <fullermd> Sadly, that's been abandoned to the spammers for many years now   :|
[21:50] <smoser> hey all.
[21:55] <wgz> hey smoser
[21:57] <smoser> trying to get a dailyb build going
[21:57] <smoser> and its not being nice
[21:59] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/865797/
[21:59] <smoser> any ideas ?
[22:02] <wgz> hm.
[22:03] <wgz> the error message seems pretty clear, but I'm not sure what you want.
[22:04] <wgz> throw a quick mail to the udd list
[22:04] <smoser> why would there be a tag for that thing ?
[22:05] <smoser> that string 'upstream-0.9.4+r4177' is only a creation of this daily build recipe
[22:05] <wgz> I don't know, I haven't done any of the fancy recipe things
[22:13] <wgz> jelmer will be able to point you in the right direction, and I'm sure he'll look at email over the weekend :)
[22:15] <smoser> ewll, i sent email just now, but i think i must have unsubscribed from that list at some point
[22:16] <smoser> and i just tried re-subscribe but still haven't gotten the conf mail
[22:16] <smoser> so dont know if my mail will go through
[22:17] <wgz> it arrived.
[22:17] <smoser> well, thanks for confirming that.
[22:17] <wgz> thanks, that's a clear problem report
[22:18]  * smoser steps away for weekend.
[22:18] <wgz> part of my issue with builder problems is they tend to get asked on irc, quickly answered by jelmer, then my only recall of them is searching through irc logs :)
[22:18] <wgz> have a nice weekend!
[22:38] <Amoz> jelmer, I'm trying to fix the bzr-gtk FTBFS in precise, and xvfb-run -a ./debian/testsuite.sh works well if I run it manually in precise, but fails in pbuilder due to an assertionerror
[22:38] <Amoz> any pointers of what could be happening here?


[03:26] <Xenocide> majoridiot, do i mount an SMB share in my fstab to use it for mythvideo?
[03:27] <majoridiot> dunno, never used it
[03:27] <majoridiot> sorry
[03:27] <Xenocide> kkk
[03:28] <Xenocide> i thought you said you were gonna do that
[03:28] <majoridiot> not me
[03:29] <tgm4883> yea
[03:29] <tgm4883> thats how i mounted it, but it gave me some trouble
[03:29] <tgm4883> probably because it had to cross a wireless link
[03:34] <Xenocide> i can't get it to mount properly in fstab
[03:35] <Xenocide> samba package might help, whoops :)
[03:35] <tgm4883> smbfs
[03:35] <Xenocide> yea
[03:36] <Xenocide> hm it worked
[03:39] <Xenocide> stupid question how to i get all the codecs working
[03:39] <Xenocide> through command line, no restricted control panel stuff
[03:40] <majoridiot> hm. i WISH someone had put together a guide on that sort of thing.
[03:40] <Xenocide> xvid, divx something
[03:40] <tgm4883> in feisty?
[03:40] <Xenocide> is that sarcasm?
[03:40] <Xenocide> yes feisty
[03:40] <majoridiot> yes sarcasm
[03:40] <Xenocide> wtf i can' tfind it
[03:40] <Xenocide> im looking in whats next
[03:41] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_media_Feisty
[03:41] <majoridiot> oddly enough... in "media support and codecs"
[03:42] <Xenocide> now how do i do that with out a gui
[03:42] <Xenocide> or should i use the repository?
[03:43] <majoridiot> scroll down
[03:43] <majoridiot> libdvdcss and w32codecs
[03:44] <Xenocide> ill take that as a yes
[03:44] <majoridiot> read that page man... don't just look at the pictures
[03:44] <majoridiot> seriously
[03:45] <majoridiot> it tells you RIGHT THERE how to get them from command line from medibuntu
[03:45] <Xenocide> no no  i see that
[03:45] <Xenocide> i was just wondering if ithere was a way to do it with out extra repositories
[03:45] <tgm4883> now that would be cool
[03:46] <tgm4883> like if there was a special magnet that you could hold next to your hard drive to put it on there
[03:46] <Xenocide> its not..
[03:46] <Xenocide> i hate you guys
[03:46] <Xenocide> haha
[03:46] <tgm4883> lol
[03:52] <tgm4883> majoridiot, i think i need a new card.  I switched the hd5500 and the firewire card and now i only have 1 tuner in mythtv
[03:52] <tgm4883> i tried rerunning mythtv-setup but that didn't fix it
[03:52] <majoridiot> yeah, that sounds flaky
[03:52] <tgm4883> looks like the card is just old
[03:52] <majoridiot> yup
[03:55] <tgm4883> i kinda wondered, when the computer boots it shows all the devices (before grub loads) and a bunch of hex values.  On one of my firewire cards values the hex value is DEAD, thats never a good sign
[03:56] <majoridiot> LOL
[03:56] <majoridiot> time for a new card definitely
[03:56] <tgm4883> yea
[04:00] <tgm4883> definently time for a new card, but first, time to relax with a little gears of war
[04:34] <lbci_irc> quick ?... do u need to leave mythtv-frontend open after scheduling shows for them to record?
[04:34] <majoridiot> no
[04:34] <lbci_irc> ty majoridiot:)
[01:38] <christine_> hello pll
[01:39] <christine_> can somebody help me. mythtv runs before the login screen. how do i remove this option?
[03:34] <jono> superm1: ping
[06:29] <tgm4883> can anyone recommend a firewire card?
[06:44] <tgm4883> :(
[06:45] <[g2] > tgm4883, patience is a virtue :)
[06:45] <tgm4883> i know
[06:46] <tgm4883> but i want to go pick one up.  Been working on this problem for 2 days
[06:46] <[g2] > sure, I'd imagine you could google or check on which chipset are supported for the kernel you are running
[06:46] <tgm4883> only thing we haven't thrown at it is a new card
[06:47] <tgm4883> Thats the thing though, is the current card I have sorta works
[06:47] <tgm4883> but we need something more stable
[06:47] <tgm4883> and the list of mythtv systems with firewire cards is kinda small
[06:49] <[g2] > well I wonder what your instability is
[06:49] <[g2] > maybe you system is just under powered for what you are doing
[06:50] <tgm4883> trying to stream from a motorola 6200 through firewire to a X2 3800 with 1 gig ram?
[06:52] <tgm4883> it only will prime on certain channels
[06:52] <tgm4883> even though none of my channels have 5c implemented
[06:52] <tgm4883> or copy control
[06:53] <tgm4883> we can get it to stream, but change a couple channels and poof, gone
[06:55] <tgm4883> im looking at a belkin card with a TI chipset currently
[06:56] <tgm4883> according to the firewire section on mythtv wiki the TI chipset works I think
[06:56] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#List_of_Firewire_Cards
[06:56] <tgm4883> its kinda confusing to me
[07:28] <keescook> superm1_: there is someone associated with the mythtv u-live talk; i'm not sure why he doesn't show up on the website yet.  dang!
[07:44] <superm1> keescook,  i got ahold of him
[07:44] <superm1> we'll talk about it next time you go un afk
[10:21] <tgm4883_> anyone use firewire?