[05:33] <Kilos> hi tsega
[05:35] <tsega> Hi, I though I was here when I sent the message
[05:35] <Kilos> lol
[05:35] <tsega> it looks like the list is the same which is not a bad thing :-)
[05:35] <Kilos> no it is bigger
[05:36] <Kilos> some only arrive later
[05:36] <tsega> I'm looking for some people in the Sudan, I recently connected with one guy there, I'm hoping he would be interested in Ubuntu-Africa
[05:36] <Kilos> tunisia guys seem very busy so only get time later
[05:37] <Kilos> yes please try get him here
[05:37] <Kilos> the whole east coast up there is in your hands
[05:37] <tsega> Wow, I'm delighted to take on the challenge
[05:38] <Kilos> i have mailed some countries whithout replies
[05:38] <tsega> The Kenyan Group seems to be really organized, stickyboy was suggesting a few things as well so I have no worries about that.
[05:38] <Kilos> great
[05:39] <Kilos> there is no ubuntu group active there atm, they are in the lug
[05:40] <Kilos> kenju254  is one ubuntu user thats here
[05:40] <Kilos> still looking for the others
[05:42] <tsega> Have you seen this, https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[05:42] <Kilos> too much reading for me
[05:43] <Kilos> im trying to learn bzr and nikola for our upcoming site
[05:44] <tsega> OK I just thought I'll pick some east african countries from there and send them emails, and just search the Internet for possible people in those countries that use Ubuntu. Just an idea.
[05:44] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[05:45] <Kilos> any way you do it is good
[05:46] <Kilos> add this link in you mails too http://slexy.org/view/s2RNrWvZLY and add whatever you want to it
[05:46] <Kilos> peeps seem more keen if they see there are closer countries involved as well
[05:49] <Kilos> lol and remind them to add this channel in their favourites so they dont forget
[05:54] <Kilos> if i disappear its because of power, we are in serious load shedding times here
[06:06] <tsega> That's OK, it's Africa remember :-) we have the same problem here.
[06:06] <Kilos> haha
[06:06] <tsega> but hopefully not for long
[06:07] <tsega> I just sent messages to the Sudan, Uganda and Tanzania teams; let's wait and see what happens.
[06:11] <Kilos> ty tsega
[06:11] <tsega> my pleasure
[06:16] <stickyboy> Kilos: You and your Ubuntu crusade!
[06:16] <Kilos> haha stickyboy  its a start towards connecting all linux users in africa
[06:16] <stickyboy> Nairobi GNU/Linux Users Group...  for me.
[06:22] <Kilos> having different points of view should never be allowed to get in the way of progress
[06:23] <Kilos> the idea is to have a channel where all linux help is available to everyone
[06:25] <stickyboy> Kilos: Start by calling it "linux-africa" then ;)
[06:25] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <stickyboy> You have a good heart, Kilos.
[06:25] <Kilos> you can be stubborn at times hey :D
[06:26] <Kilos> personnaly i dont want distro choice to be in anyones way, so what if you use arch is my opinion
[06:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: Start by calling it "linux-africa" then ;)
[06:27] <stickyboy> Might be a good time to do it, before we get 1000 users in here.
[06:27] <stickyboy> ;)
[06:27] <Kilos> instead of nitpicking amongst ourselves we should all band together against the biggest os
[06:27] <stickyboy> Kilos: Linux isn't perfect. Don't forget that.
[06:27] <stickyboy> We have to remember our core freedoms, and promote those.
[06:28] <Kilos> yes its up to all linux users to improve it
[06:30] <Kilos> the whole aim is strengthen and unite and support all linux users in africa, there will always be guys from other distros who prefer their choice
[06:31] <Kilos> so what, lets all do it together
[06:32] <stickyboy> Kilos: Start by calling it "linux-africa" then ;)
[06:32] <Kilos> lol
[06:32] <stickyboy> Kilos: Sorry :)
[06:32] <stickyboy> Seems like a good answer to lots of your points. ;)
[06:32] <Kilos> hi emk  welcome to ubuntu-africa
[06:32] <emk> Hey Kilos...
[06:33] <Kilos> stickyboy  all i can use comfortably without breaking it is kubuntu
[06:33] <emk> Kilos: are you holding eany events in Nairobi
[06:33] <emk> *any
[06:33] <Kilos> emk  im still trying to get the nairobi guys here first
[06:34] <Kilos> stickyboy  was my first contact in africa outside of za
[06:35] <stickyboy> God I hate URL shorteners.
[06:35] <eebrah> stickyboy++
[06:35] <stickyboy> Link on twitter: t.co/blahhhhh -> http://ars.to/1EGcsr2 -> real link.
[06:36] <stickyboy> These URL shorteners, basically PHP + Linux + Apache or whatever, create another sort of "DNS" resolution. It's obscene.
[06:36] <stickyboy> It's anti privacy. It's not good for longevity of links. It's obfuscation.
[06:37] <emk> woah.. its telling that there is no mention of "Nairobi" or "Kenya" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[06:38] <stickyboy> emk: Ebb and flow. There probably was once.
[06:38] <Kilos> we need to get them in emk
[06:38] <emk> Kilos: there's a very active LUG
[06:39] <Kilos> i have made contact with one guy in kenya so far, will find more as soon as everyone pulls together
[06:39] <Kilos> lugs are welcome here
[06:39] <stickyboy> Poor tsega. Internet in Ethiopia is insanely bad.
[06:39] <emk> There are 6 kenyans  or atleast (kenya residents) here
[06:40] <Kilos> oh ya i forgot my favourite first find
[06:40] <Kilos> stickyboy  +1
[06:40] <stickyboy> w00t
[06:40] <Kilos> stubborn but so helpful
[06:40] <stickyboy> I'll drink to that.
[06:40] <stickyboy> (coffee)
[06:41] <Kilos> spotty  coffee on
[06:41]  * spotty puts the kettle on
[06:41] <Kilos> stickyboy  just coffee please the bot
[06:42] <Kilos> cyber coffee is much cheaper than the real stuff
[06:45] <spotty> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:45] <Kilos> spotty  ty
[06:45] <spotty> My pleasure Kilos
[06:47] <Kilos> emk  i am actually scared to ask
[06:47] <Kilos> what os are you using
[06:48] <emk> Depends on the laptop I'm on, it's either Ubuntu 13.04 or Fedora21
[06:49] <Kilos> great. there is no ubuntu group there
[06:49] <Kilos> kenju254  also uses ubuntu
[06:50] <Kilos> stickyboy  is a serious linuxxer so using something else
[06:50] <emk> Kilos: serious linux people dont' use Ubuntu?
[06:50] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <Kilos> ask for stickyboy  's opinion
[06:51] <stickyboy> Question: how can you get a raw gzip stream from a HTTP server?
[06:51] <stickyboy> Kilos: Ubuntu on the server, almost as a religion.
[06:52] <Kilos> and kubuntu on the desktop
[06:53] <stickyboy> Kilos: Never. :)
[06:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:53] <Kilos> i love it
[06:54] <Kilos> everything works here
[06:54] <stickyboy> Kilos: MariaDB vs MySQL
[06:54] <stickyboy> Whyyyyyyyyy
[06:54] <stickyboy> systemd vs upstart. Whyyyyyyyyy
[06:54] <eebrah> stickyboy: gzipped html? ama anything?
[06:55] <stickyboy> Unity vs GNOME. Wyyyyyyyyy
[06:55] <stickyboy> Wayland vs Mir. Whyyyyyyy
[06:55] <Kilos> we can learn from restaurants. they serve meat and vegetarian dishes
[06:55] <Kilos> why?
[06:55] <stickyboy> Mark Shuttleworth pretends he's Steve Jobs, up to the turtleneck!
[06:55] <Kilos> forget all that
[06:55] <eebrah> stickyboy: We are the chosen ones, the "apple" of linux, you do not question our choices
[06:56] <stickyboy> eebrah: Hah :D
[06:56] <stickyboy> eebrah: yes, gzipped html output.
[06:56] <Kilos> the main goal is to get you all pulling together
[06:56] <emk> stickyboy: on one point MariaDB vs MySQL... the answer should be "Just use PostgreSQL"
[06:56] <stickyboy> eebrah: I'm comparing gzip compression levels of nginx's gzip compressor.
[06:56] <stickyboy> eebrah: Indeed!
[06:56] <eebrah> emk: not really
[06:57] <stickyboy> I think there is no usecase where MySQL is better at anything than PostgreSQL...
[06:57] <stickyboy> Except "easy to understand".
[06:57] <eebrah> stickyboy: I remember how to force it in PHP ... but there is a simple apache config entry for that
[06:58] <stickyboy> eebrah: Nah, I'm just trying to curl it, but it handily comes out uncompressed.
[06:58] <stickyboy> haha
[07:00] <eebrah> stickyboy: Really wanna rant and rail about flipboards web offering but I am not part of any web dev communities on IRC
[07:00] <stickyboy> Ah.
[07:00] <stickyboy> eebrah: Got it.
[07:01] <stickyboy> $ curl -H "Accept-Encoding: gzip" https://blah | gunzip - | less
[07:01] <stickyboy> winning
[07:01] <eebrah> stickyboy: nice
[07:01] <eebrah> I think I'm hijacking other peoples chatroom :(
[07:02] <stickyboy> eebrah: Linux is winning.
[07:02] <stickyboy> No more, no less.
[07:02] <stickyboy> eebrah: Let's start a BSD user group.
[07:02] <stickyboy> I don't even think I could install it.
[07:02] <stickyboy> I desperately want to try DragonFly and FreeBSD.
[07:03] <stickyboy> The BSDs are doing real engineering. Academic stuff, man.
[07:03] <stickyboy> NetBSD consistently sets Internet speed records.
[07:03] <stickyboy> OpenBSD, you know they're paranoid as fffffff with code quality, documentation, etc.
[07:03] <stickyboy> DragonFly BSD and their work on concurrency and filesystems...
[07:04] <emk> FreeBSD is easy (and the handbook gives you step by step), and I've read somewhere the the PF ver is FreeBSD is either more current or more stable (cant remember which)
[07:05] <eebrah> stickyboy: I'm in ... we should track down chiteri
[07:06] <eebrah> BSD these days feels very linuxy
[07:06] <eebrah> or is it the other way round ... or a combination?
[07:07] <eebrah> openBSD have GNOME 3 working very well, It's on track in FreeBSD as well
[07:08] <stickyboy> eebrah: GNOME 3.what? Last I checked, GNOME was getting too systemd -> Linux dep heavy.
[07:39] <arnaudmez> Hi Guys
[07:39] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[07:40] <arnaudmez> Would like to thank Neo31 for his reply
[07:40] <Kilos> he comes on late
[07:40] <Kilos> they sleep lots in tunisia it seems
[07:40] <arnaudmez> being a French person like me, the source he put in my disposition is helping me a lot
[07:41] <Kilos> cool
[08:23] <eebrah> stickyboy: 3.10 is the last I remember working
[08:24] <stickyboy> eebrah: Ah ok.
[08:57] <stickyboy> For all we know, Kilos is part of Equation APT.
[08:58] <Kilos> lol im to dumb to be part of that kinda stuff
[09:00] <Kilos> my greatest skill is breathing
[09:01]  * stickyboy has to briefly go into the Java zone.
[13:21] <arnaudmez> Hello
[14:11] <stickyboy> arnaudmez: Sup
[14:32] <arnaudmez> hi stickyboy
[14:33] <stickyboy> arnaudmez: Hacking on a Java project, listening to deep house music, and answering emails.
[14:33] <stickyboy> What are you up to?
[14:33] <stickyboy> Oh, I'm also pushing a bunch of commits to GitHub...
[15:02] <arnaudmez> stickyboy: :D
[15:04] <arnaudmez> stickyboy: Listening to Soft Instrumental Music, Preparin' on Command Line course, answering mails, configuring a POS, anwering phone and making sure I don't hangup and become a script
[15:07] <Neo31> hi arnaudmez :)
[15:07] <Neo31> welcome back
[15:07] <Neo31> hey stickyboy :)
[15:07] <Neo31> ssup
[15:07] <Kilos> afternoon guys
[15:07] <Neo31> Kilos, welcome to the chan
[15:07] <Neo31> :)
[15:07] <Kilos> haha
[15:09] <arnaudmez> Will ubuntu take over the entire
[15:09] <arnaudmez> africa
[15:39] <Kilos> lol
[15:39] <Kilos> hi tsega
[15:40] <tsega> hi
[15:40] <tsega> I've got word from my Sudan contact and he said he would be happy to join us. I'll send him an email to join us here.
[15:40] <Kilos> arnaudmez  no one is taking over anything, we are just making a channel where everyone can get together in one place
[15:41] <Kilos> good nwews that tsega
[15:41] <Kilos> news as well
[15:41] <arnaudmez> Kilos
[15:42] <arnaudmez> Kilos: Ubuntu should take it whole !
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[15:45] <Kilos> stickyboy  will fight with me
[15:46] <arnaudmez> why
[15:46] <arnaudmez> ?
[15:46] <Kilos> he says this channel should be linux-africa
[15:47] <Kilos> the nairobi lug has many linux users and few ubuntu users
[15:50] <Kilos> tsega get each one of your contacts to get the groups of ubuntu users together, they can all join here or even just a representative of the group
[15:51] <Kilos> then ask Neo31  to sort the wiki page accordingly
[15:57] <Neo31> roger that Kilos
[15:57] <Kilos> ty Neo31  we will get there
[16:54] <Kilos> http://www.patchworkoftips.com/asos-shipping-nigeria/4388/
[16:55] <Kilos> who is going to find out how to contact that guys, he was on th za channel for help or something about 1 year ago and i get his tips in a mail but dont know how to contact him
[17:37] <tsega> Kilos: it looks like he's got a Google+ page, https://plus.google.com/+ChukwudiEmmanuelUdegbunam/posts
[17:39] <Kilos> i dont use G+ even though i have an account, but whoever gets contact and say the search is from Kilos on #ubuntu-za
[17:39] <Kilos> i get mixed up with all these funny online things
[17:53] <tsega> OK I'll do it!
[17:54] <Kilos> 'ty tsega
[17:57] <tsega> done
[17:57] <Kilos> cool ty man
[17:58] <Kilos> i think we still need contacts in nigeria, he can work on that
[18:08] <stickyboy> Kilos: :D
[18:08] <Kilos> stickyboy  :D
[18:08] <stickyboy> Kilos: I ordered shoes from Asos last year.
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <stickyboy> https://alaninkenya.org/2014/05/20/if-you-hate-someone-in-kenya-send-them-a-package
[18:09] <stickyboy> Same as that guy in Nigeria.   :D
[18:35] <Kilos> i dont even know how to use them
[18:35] <stickyboy> Kilos: Me neither.  Still at the office!!!
[19:09] <tsega> Oh OK ... I get it
[19:10] <stickyboy> tsega: Yeah, listening to good music, merging a bunch of dev branches for the test server.
[19:10] <stickyboy> tsega: Drinking Tomoca btw. :)
[19:10] <tsega> Kilos, I believe when stickboy mentioned the BBS, he was referring to the website you are working on.
[19:10] <tsega> Tomoca, you mean the actual brand from Addis?
[19:11] <stickyboy> tsega: Nah. Old school pre-www bulletin boards. :P
[19:11] <stickyboy> tsega: Of course. Got 3 bags of Tomoca and some Robera here. :)
[19:11] <stickyboy> We have a bean-to-cup machine in the office. Beans in the back, espresso out the front.
[19:11] <tsega> Hmm ... I was under the impression Kenya had some good brands as well.
[19:11] <Kilos> hahaha tsega  he is so cheeky
[19:12] <Kilos> its because im using bzr instead of the git stuff
[19:13] <stickyboy> tsega: I dunno, Kenyan coffee can be nice, but it's twice the cost of Tomoca.
[19:13] <stickyboy> We get 500g bag for ~180 ETB equivalent!
[19:13] <stickyboy> Tomoca is ~95 ETB, and Robera is even cheaper, like 75 or so!
[19:13] <tsega> Kilos: Yeah you should meet him in person, he is CRAZY about Linux & git, everybody in the office knows that
[19:13] <stickyboy> tsega: Why thank you. :D
[19:14] <stickyboy> Also, my coffee is in an Arch Linux mug on my desk... ;) Kilos!
[19:14] <stickyboy> And the lanyard on my ID is Arch Linux too.  I bought them and gave them to everyone in the office!
[19:14] <tsega> stickyboy: Maybe I should Posta some to you :-)
[19:14] <Kilos> lolol
[19:15] <stickyboy> tsega: You are also a great user of GitHub. I watch your commits and the way you use issues.
[19:15] <stickyboy> Very good, man. Top notch.
[19:15] <Kilos> git is too difficult for me to even consider
[19:15] <tsega> Thanks!
[19:15] <stickyboy> Kilos: No problem. :)
[19:15] <stickyboy> Kilos: bzr is too simple for me. I don't think I would get it.
[19:16] <Kilos> rofl
[19:16] <tsega> Kilos: I bet if you use for a week you would love it.
[19:17] <Kilos> it would take me 2 months to even understand it
[19:17] <tsega> All you need to know is a handful of commands to get started.
[19:17] <Kilos> thats the prob
[19:17] <Kilos> too many commands all over
[19:17] <Kilos> im too old to learn so much so fast
[19:18] <Kilos> and been where none of you have
[19:18] <stickyboy> Kilos: The Moon?
[19:18] <Kilos> the working half of my brain is lying on a farm after head busted open
[19:18] <stickyboy> Jokes, I feel like that too. I want to quit my job and get on a bus to Malawi.
[19:19] <Kilos> no man stickyboy  the happy hunting grounds
[19:19] <Kilos> needed to be rebooted in icu
[19:19] <tsega> Kilos:  I've read your bio
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <Kilos> so first ill do bzr and nikola then maybe look at git
[19:20] <tsega> All I can say is that you're one tough cookie!
[19:20] <tsega> nikola?
[19:21] <tsega> Never heard of it
[19:21] <Kilos> na too stupid to know when to give up
[19:21] <Kilos> you saw the ubuntu za site right?
[19:21] <stickyboy> tsega: Nikola == static site generator
[19:21] <stickyboy> Written in Python
[19:22] <tsega> Yeah I just googled it
[19:22] <stickyboy> Raise your hand if you want me to tell you the best gangsta rap album of 2014.
[19:22] <tsega> Hmm ... how does it overcome the maintenance headache?
[19:23] <tsega> lolo
[19:23] <stickyboy> tsega: https://nairobilug.or.ke is statically generated too, using Pelican. We have the entire repo + site on GitHub.
[19:23] <stickyboy> http://github.com/nairobilug/nairobilug.or.ke   <--- 26 forks, with half that many users contributing blogs, merging fixes, etc.
[19:23] <stickyboy> Super democratic.
[19:24] <stickyboy> For the record, Y.G. - My Krazy Life is the best gangsta rap album of 2014.
[19:24] <stickyboy> Listen to "Left, Right" and see if you can stop your head from bobbing up and down.
[19:37] <tsega> YG, Gangsta Rap ... not really my style and I saw the "Left, Right" video just a bit and I confirm it's not for me.
[19:37] <tsega> The static sites looks good but what's the process there, how do you edit it?
[19:43] <stickyboy> tsega: You write content in markdown and then run `pelican`. :)
[19:43] <stickyboy> It generates your site based on HTML templates and Jinja2 magic.
[19:44] <stickyboy> Then the site is just HTML + CSS + JS.
[19:44] <stickyboy> winning
[19:44]  * stickyboy turns on Left, Right, to see if it's for him.
[19:45] <stickyboy> Yep.
[19:45] <stickyboy> :P
[19:45] <stickyboy> But like an hour ago I was listening to Death Metal, soooooo.
[19:51] <tsega> stickyboy: I don't think we have the same taste in music
[19:51] <stickyboy> tsega: I don't think so. :D
[19:51] <stickyboy> I think I am an extreme person.
[19:51] <tsega> I'll give you that!
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:52] <Kilos> we noticed
[19:55] <tsega> OK people, I think I'll just call it a day for me, I have a busy day tomorrow. I'll try to drop in though.
[19:55] <tsega> Kilos: I definitely send you a message if I have any updates
[19:55] <Kilos> night tsega
[19:56] <Kilos> cool tsega  ty
[19:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:56] <tsega> stickyboy: pleasure talking to you ... as always ... catch you later
[19:56] <tsega> Bye


[06:16] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:17] <mattt> morning AlanBell
[06:37] <christel> morning lovelies
[06:45] <czajkowski> popey: have you tried to shut down your 12.10 machine
[06:51] <popey> morning
[06:52] <popey> i just shut one down
[06:54] <czajkowski> popey: did it actually shut down
[06:54] <czajkowski> mine goes back to the login screen
[06:54] <czajkowski> so I've to hard shut it down
[06:54] <czajkowski> :/
[06:55] <popey> define "hard shut it down"?
[06:55] <czajkowski> power button
[06:55] <popey> there's a shutdown option in the login screen
[06:55] <czajkowski> hold it down
[06:55] <popey> erk
[06:55]  * czajkowski goes to file another bug :/
[06:55] <popey> I have seen this on my machine
[06:55] <czajkowski> not sure if against unity
[06:55] <popey> its nothing to do with unity
[07:00] <czajkowski> what do I file it against?
[07:01] <popey> not sure
[07:01] <popey> lightdm maybe
[07:03] <czajkowski> cheers
[07:10] <czajkowski> bug filed
[07:31] <AlanBell> I will be almost sad when the window decorations return to Quantal
[07:34] <czajkowski> lol
[07:34] <czajkowski> bugger nautilus has just crashed
[07:34] <czajkowski> no idea why
[07:34] <czajkowski> helpful
[07:47] <AlanBell> second breakfast later \o/ http://www.hobbitsecondbreakfast.com/
[07:47] <j0nr> morning folks
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: no Dutch candy fest with christel and the other alans?
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> (not that christel is an alan, of course...)
[07:50] <AlanBell> not even an Alana
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> or Alanis
[07:55] <czajkowski> I only remembered last night when I'm at UDS it's not euro :/
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> Stubborn Danes.
[07:59] <lovejoy56> hello anyone
[08:00] <lovejoy56> just testing this chat 1st time here...anybody here ?
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> no, nobody is here
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> we're all just figments of your imagination ;)
[08:00] <lovejoy56> Lol tanx
[08:00] <lovejoy56> new to this
[08:01] <lovejoy56> so is this chat open to the whole internet, those who have it that is ?
[08:01] <pinky-> irc is very addictive - Beware!
[08:02] <lovejoy56> thanx pinky
[08:02] <lovejoy56> does it get very busy
[08:03] <AlanBell> pinky-: it is indeed, it sucks you in. Once I had a job, friends, family, a house a car, some chickens and then I discovered IRC
[08:03] <pinky-> :D
[08:03] <lovejoy56> Lol, really that good eh ! when are the busy times ?
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> depends really
[08:04] <AlanBell> it is always busy in #ubuntu, and busyish during UK awake times here
[08:04] <lovejoy56> so its world wide then or just uk ?
[08:04] <pinky-> lovejoy56, yes this channel is publicly logged, so becareful what you type
[08:04] <AlanBell> for fairly insomniac definitions of awake times
[08:05] <lovejoy56> pinky, what does publicly logged mean pls ?
[08:05] <AlanBell> !1984
[08:05] <AlanBell> I think the old logs are gone
[08:06] <lovejoy56> so what is "public logging ?
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> it means that everything on the channel is put on that web page for everyone to see
[08:06] <pinky-> lovejoy56, a bot in here posts to a website
[08:07] <christel> MartijnVdS: i sometimes ponder changing my name to alan
[08:07] <lovejoy56> ah right I see, tanx
[08:07] <christel> i'm thinking "Alan Fake" to go with four letter surname theme
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> christel: wouldn't that confuse people though
[08:07] <christel> i like confusing people!
[08:07] <christel> we shall have a candy fest soon!
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[08:08] <diplo> Free candy?
[08:08] <pinky-> lovejoy56, for example http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/09/%23ubuntu-uk.html
[08:08] <xnox> christel: surely Alan Flake is better
[08:08] <lovejoy56> do we know which website text is published on ?
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> xnox: that's not 4 letters long, like the other alans
[08:08] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[08:09] <christel> diplo: oh MartijnVdS sent us a KILO of dutch delights
[08:09] <AlanBell> or http://ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/
[08:09] <diplo> !!!!!!!!
[08:09] <lovejoy56> ok tanx ppl
[08:10] <diplo> I've probably just bought a kilo of sweets for my sons bday next week for party bags :)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> diplo: not pepernoten and kruidnoten probably ;)
[08:10]  * diplo has no idea what they are so no :)
[08:10] <christel> diplo: party bags \o/
[08:10] <christel> i am so having party bags at my next birthday party
[08:10] <christel> (i am so having a birthday party for my next birthday)
[08:10] <diplo> Taking a group of children Ten pin bowling :)
[08:11] <christel> :D
[08:14] <czajkowski> ricecrispy cakes!!
[08:15] <czajkowski> all parties must have them!
[08:17] <lovejoy56> does anyone know what happens to icons in the launch bar of linux when the bar is full pls ?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: on the left side you mean? You can scroll through them with the mouse wheel I think
[08:18] <lovejoy56> yes and ok tanx but i dont use a mouse with laptop
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: the right side of a trackpad is also a "scroll area"
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: or sometimes 2 fingers at the same time = scrolling
[08:19] <lovejoy56> sorry but whats a trackpad ? I only installed yesterday
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: that's the "mouse" bit on a laptop -- the thing you move your finger on to move the pointer
[08:19] <popey> you can also use the keyboard
[08:20] <lovejoy56> thanks Martin lol I call it touch pad sorry
[08:20] <popey> ALT+F1, then use the up/down arrows to navigate the launchpad
[08:20] <popey> s/launchpad/launcher/
[08:20] <lovejoy56> oh really thats very useful thank you
[08:21] <popey> anyone here got an nvidia or ati machine running 12.04 with unity on multi-monitor?
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: I had one, but it crashed a lot, so now I have intel.
[08:21] <popey> nvm :)
[08:22] <lovejoy56> is this site only UK ?
[08:23] <AlanBell> lovejoy56: this channel is focussed on the UK but we have people here from all over the place
[08:23] <lovejoy56> ok tanx
[08:23] <AlanBell> there are many other channels for different places
[08:23] <lovejoy56> how are they accessed
[08:24] <pinky-> lovejoy56, to join for example #ubuntu type /join #ubuntu
[08:24] <AlanBell> you can find out more here: http://loco.ubuntu.com
[08:24] <lovejoy56> thanx
[08:25] <pinky-> lovejoy56, another good tip for irc is quick spelling peeps names by typing first letter or two of nick then hit the "tab-key" to auto complete
[08:25] <AlanBell> anyone else in London today?
[08:25] <lovejoy56> pinky-, thanx
[08:25] <pinky-> you can also keep hitting "tab-key" to cycle through names if alot start with same letters
[08:25] <lovejoy56> anyone in liverpool ?
[08:26] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  tanx again
[08:26] <pinky-> I'm across the land from you in Teesside
[08:26] <lovejoy56> pinky-, oh ok....is it cold there ? its freezing here
[08:27] <pinky-> hehe I've not even openeed the curtain yets.. I have no idea:)
[08:27] <lovejoy56> pinky-, lol does this chat give out your email addy ?
[08:28] <pinky-> no. but you can set a hide function with nickserv.. brb
[08:29] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  yeah i gotta go to....need to explore this linux system properly. bye for now
[08:29] <pinky-> ok I'll tll you later as I need to find it.. I'm new on this server too
[08:29] <pinky-> oops too late
[08:31] <pinky-> I need to tell him when returns /msg nickserv set hidemail on
[08:31] <pinky-> just found it again
[08:37] <JamesTait> Oh, happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[08:38] <pinky-> Friday has come around quickly again
[08:38] <pinky-> well it has to me
[08:39] <pinky-> I'm sat here today waiting for a home delivery from ASDA
[08:39] <pinky-> fun fun fun
[08:39] <JamesTait> pinky-: I was saying the same to one of the mums at school this morning.  Last week was a grueller, this week has flown by.
[08:39] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi kids :)
[08:39] <pinky-> lo bigcalm
[08:40] <popey> yo
[08:41] <dwatkins> This week has definitely flown past for me, partly because I've been working late most days.
[08:41]  * bigcalm_laptop looks at the world through bleary eyes
[08:41]  * dwatkins hands bigcalm_laptop a nice big mug of tea and a biscuit
[08:42] <bigcalm_laptop> Yay
[08:42] <pinky-> bigcalm, I always drink water before I sleep when I drink alcohol and helps me a lot with hangovers in morning
[08:43] <pinky-> otherwise I suffer
[08:45]  * bigcalm_laptop updates his nick highlight list
[08:46] <pinky-> lovejoy56, welcome back.. type /msg nickserv set hidemail on
[08:46] <pinky-> it will hide your mail addy on a /whois
[08:46]  * popey pokes davmor2
[08:46] <popey> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[08:46] <popey>  shatter:i386 : Depends: shatter-bin:i386 but it is not installed
[08:46] <popey>  spacepiratesandzombies:i386 : Depends: spacepiratesandzombies-bin:i386 but it is not installed
[08:46] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  hi, i wondered what nickserv was tanx
[08:46] <pinky-> type /msg nickerv help
[08:46] <pinky-> for all commands
[08:47] <pinky-> nickserv*
[08:47] <pinky-> sorry for typo
[08:48] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  it wont work for me
[08:49] <pinky-> ? /msg nickserv help
[08:49] <pinky-> without the ??
[08:49] <lovejoy56> ? /msg nickserv help
[08:49] <pinky-> /msg nickserv help
[08:50] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  nah not workin for me
[08:50] <pinky-> :)
[08:50] <pinky-> oh
[08:51] <pinky-> umm I'm not in xchat and unsure of your settings, is there any notices in your server window?
[08:51] <bigcalm_laptop> For more than a week my laptop has said that there are no packages that need upgrading. I think it's lying, but how do I get it tow work?
[08:51] <Laney> which mirror?
[08:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Laney: esat.net - chosen by the choose the best mirror for me thingy
[08:53]  * bigcalm_laptop tries another one
[08:53] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[08:53] <Laney> that's a good link to check on mirrors
[08:53] <Laney> unknown for that one though :(
[08:54] <bigcalm_laptop> it's just chosen as29550.net, lets see if it helps
[08:55]  * bigcalm_laptop hogs all of christel's bandwidth
[08:56] <bigcalm_laptop> 82 updates, 151.9mb to download :D
[08:56] <bigcalm_laptop> Laney: ta
[08:57] <bigcalm_laptop> That's odd. The system has started asking me for my password to do updates. Maybe it's adding/removing as well as updating today
[08:58] <popey> it always asks for new packages
[08:58] <popey> probably new kernel
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> it needs to learn how to remove old/unused kernels
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> I had to remove ~20 old kernels the other day
[08:59] <popey> write a blueprint for UDS :)
[08:59] <popey> it should remove kernels where its not been booted to for more than a certain number of days
[08:59] <popey> and where we still have two known good kernels
[09:02] <czajkowski> one of todays irksome bugs -https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1047431
[09:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:06] <christel> I HAVE A CAT
[09:06] <christel> i have never seen it before
[09:06] <christel> but it is in my garden
[09:07] <christel> this makes it mine, right?
[09:07] <pinky-> haha
[09:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Finders keepers
[09:07] <christel> :D
[09:07] <brobostigon> well, tht could argued christel
[09:07] <Laney> feed it, then it'll always come back
[09:07] <Laney> someone nicked one of our cats when I was a kid by doing that :(
[09:07] <Laney> they used to feed him, then when they moved they took him with them
[09:07] <brobostigon> :(
[09:08] <bigcalm_laptop> :(
[09:08] <pinky-> don't give cats milk as they are not lactose tolerant
[09:09] <pinky-> I have cats and all are house cats and never go out.. even if doors are wide open they stay in, my eldest is 15 years old.
[09:09] <bigcalm_laptop> Reboot time!
[09:11]  * popey wonders where his cats are
[09:12] <popey> one of the neighbours cats keeps coming in to get our cats food
[09:12] <brobostigon> gps tagging, and a camera, :)
[09:12] <popey> the neighbours dont feed it, and basically kick it out all the time
[09:12] <popey> so he comes round ours
[09:12] <popey> i have been in the lounge with both our cats and heard the cat flap go.. both of our cats look at me going "huh?"
[09:13] <bigcalm_laptop> :D
[09:13] <pinky-> I have a soft spot for them and keep getting more from Cats Protection
[09:13] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: your cats are lovely
[09:13] <popey> pinky-, you turning into an old cat lady like you see on telly?
[09:13] <pinky-> maybe I'm infected with gonzii toxic plasma??
[09:14] <pinky-> but yeah:)
[09:14] <popey> heh
[09:14]  * popey uses xmltv to download a list of programmes now showing in Hungary
[09:15] <pinky-> gondii*
[09:15] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: is your electricity bill quite high?
[09:15] <pinky-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
[09:15] <popey> dunno really
[09:15] <bigcalm_laptop> Yay indifference
[09:15] <popey> wifey deals with that
[09:16] <Laney> I got my new DD amount today for the 'lectrics
[09:16] <Laney> £33, seems a lot for just me
[09:16] <popey> used compare the meerkat to switch to another provider
[09:16] <Laney> Martin Lewis is my god
[09:18] <popey> i hate that guy
[09:18] <popey> i dont know why, he just bugs me
[09:18] <directhex> moo
[09:18] <diplo> Laney: that's what my bill is ish, for me mainly and with the kids a few days a week
[09:18] <diplo> And similar for gas
[09:19] <Laney> I suppose I just phone up in a few months with readings and get it changed
[09:20] <diplo> I dropped mine by about £15/20 a month last year, so the ex was the cause of my electric bill :)
[09:22] <Laney> heh
[09:22] <Laney> I had to register to pay council tax for the first time too this week
[09:23] <Laney> :( being old is crap :(
[09:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Laney: welcome to life :)
[09:24] <Laney> I don't feel very welcome!
[09:26]  * bigcalm_laptop gives Laney a biscuit
[09:26] <Laney> yay
[09:26] <diplo> Got your 25% discount for living on your own Laney ?
[09:26] <Laney> yeah
[09:26] <pinky-> lovejoy56, I've sent you a private message, do you see another chat window?
[09:26] <Laney> the bill already knew everything, even the exact date I moved in
[09:27] <Laney> but I never told them any information...
[09:27] <diplo> Tin foil hat!
[09:27] <Laney> sus pish us
[09:28] <brobostigon> lol
[09:30] <pinky-> I posted him some freenode nickserv help webpages and told him about unaffiliated vhosts, not sure if he see it..
[09:30]  * mattt is happy it's friday
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: I have this bash command in a script in ~/bin http://www.tolaris.com/2012/07/19/removing-old-kernels-from-ubuntu/
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ooh, shiny.. thanks!
[09:41] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:41] <bigcalm_laptop> Hiya davmor2
[09:41] <bigcalm_laptop> Why am I working?
[09:42] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Hey from down sowffff
[09:42] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: you're south of me today?
[09:42] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: because you have no idea how to have a holiday?
[09:43] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: correct
[09:43] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: I missed the "to you" D'oh I said it in my head you should just of read it in like what I did ;)
[09:44] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: oh no, that would mean that we were a couple if I am meant to know what you are saying
[09:44]  * bigcalm_laptop feels very disturbed
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced?
[09:45] <bigcalm_laptop> MartijnVdS: I don't think that I am that one with the force sadly
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: several hundreds of voices, tops? :)
[09:46] <bigcalm_laptop> heh
[09:47] <bigcalm_laptop> MartijnVdS: there is something about your user means irc away proxy emails to me arrive blank
[09:47] <bigcalm_laptop> Please insert sensible grammar where sensible
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> parse error.
[09:48] <bigcalm_laptop> I agree, but it's not my script and I'm too lazy
[09:48] <bigcalm_laptop> Could be that it doesn't like the ipv6 host :)
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> mwuahaha :)
[09:50] <davmor2> popey: this is what I mean about the launcher http://ubuntuone.com/2xw4FPwmUBbc25GaAPdwYS
[09:50] <popey> lol
[09:50] <popey> thats hilarious
[09:51] <davmor2> popey: another 100 or so to go too and I've removed all the ones I'd installed the day before
[09:54] <czajkowski> davmor2: wow
[09:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: and you think you have issues pfffffff
[10:00] <bigcalm_laptop> christel has left the room yet her laptop is not locked. Oh if only I were a devious person
[10:01]  * bigcalm_laptop continues to do his own work
[10:01] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: you think that devious.........
[10:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Anybody here got a windows machine that they wouldn't mind me RDPing into to check some work on InternetExplorer?
[10:02] <davmor2> christel: How could you say that on a public channel, you should be ashamed of yourself :D
[10:05] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: I have one but it's 7 basic so I don't think it does rdp, and I'm not sure how I would enable it through the firewalls either
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Ta anyway
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> I'm seeing if I can get IE installed on wine somehow
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Play On Linux doesn't seem to be in the USC though
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Odd
[10:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is IE4linux I think
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Indeed, quite old though
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm, reboot time. Time for a constitutional and moar coffee then. bbl
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> TMI
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> We don't need to know about your coffee habbits
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> habits
[10:31] <pinky-> first ground frost of the year is due tonight
[10:31] <pinky-> things are turning cold
[10:33] <mattt> ooh, new grizzly bear album
[10:33] <mattt> pinky-: yeah, despite us having basically no summer, i'm still sad when i leave work and see it's getting darker earlier and earlier
[10:33] <pinky-> yup
[10:44] <bigcalm_laptop> Tum te tum
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: what are you Tum te Tuming at it sounds ominous and evil what ever it is
[10:50] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: it's boredom
[10:51] <davmor2> christel: slap bigcalm_repeatedly a) to stop him working on holiday and b)just cause he deserves it, saying he is bored
[10:52] <davmor2> christel: slap bigcalm_laptop  repeatedly a) to stop him working on holiday and b)just cause he deserves it, saying he is bored
[10:52] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: she disappeared some time ago now
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Yeah but she'll be back
[10:55] <SuperMatt> http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=8913 <- middle of next month for the steam linux client!
[10:56] <bigcalm_laptop> And which games will be available for it?
[10:58] <SuperMatt> l4d2
[11:03] <bigcalm_laptop> Wishing I had left my windows server on at home. Just so that I can see a site rendered in IE as it would be natively. IE in wine just isn't good enough
[11:35] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: are you alive?
[11:37] <bigcalm_laptop> Is the Slug and Lettuce the best choice for Saturday's happy hour? There have been mutterings from more than one person that there are better places for food and drink.
[11:39] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: I am aliveish
[11:39] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: we don't have to stay there, it is just a place to start from
[11:40] <AlanBell> but it has been widely advertised as the starting point so I am inclined to stay there to 9PM (the end of the defined hour) then move on
[11:40] <AlanBell> tickle anyone who mutters
[11:40] <bigcalm_laptop> Even though we've revised the arrival time to 7pm?
[11:45] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: I haven't updated that everywhere (mailing list/G+/Facebook/Twitter) etc
[11:46] <AlanBell> just people we know are coming are arriving at 7ish
[11:48] <zleap> AlanBell, will we be able to get some 12.10 cd's from you after release please ?
[11:48] <AlanBell> sure
[11:49] <zleap> cool, i have an SAE here all ready (well probably needs stamps) as I was going to get some more 12.04 but didn't in the end
[11:50] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: fair enough
[11:51] <AlanBell> zleap: feel free to send it now and write 12.10 on it and I will hold it and post when I get them
[11:51] <zleap> ok
[11:52] <zleap> i will wait till i get paid at the end of the month then do it probbaly,   when is it out something like 16th October ?>
[11:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: presume loco CDs are happening again? or is it DVDs now?
[11:52] <czajkowski> not sure
[11:52] <czajkowski> waiting to hear
[11:54] <AlanBell> zleap: it is out on the 18th of october, CDs normally get distributed a week or two later, but there is no CD sized image this time
[11:54] <zleap> yeah i read about that dvd only or iso image for flash drives
[11:54] <AlanBell> dunno if they are just going to ship DVDs in the normal card wallets or something else, or nothing
[11:55] <zleap> as long as the package has dvd on it, they should be fine, that way people know its a dvd
[11:56] <zleap> http://www.zdnet.com/five-ways-to-skip-windows-8-7000001753/
[11:56] <zleap> this could be good for Linux desktops
[11:57] <AlanBell> it used to be the case that people had CD drives that would not read DVDs but I doubt anyone has such a thing on a computer that has any hope of running Ubuntu
[11:58] <zleap> yeah
[11:58]  * zleap has neither
[11:59] <AlanBell> more to the point, there is a slight cost premium for burning DVDs so the loco distribution cost will go up a bit, but on the other hand we don't have kubuntu any more (didn't for 12.04 either)
[11:59] <zleap> thats ok
[11:59] <zleap> i am guessing there is a lot more on the dvd then
[11:59] <AlanBell> they could end up shipping USB keys even, which would be cool
[11:59] <AlanBell> no, it is an 800MB image
[12:00] <zleap> are they not more expensive usb keys,  the one in the ubuntu shop seems expensive
[12:00] <popey> cheap 1GB USB keys?
[12:00] <AlanBell> dunno what the bulk purchase price of a 1GB key is compared to DVD
[12:00]  * czajkowski has no disc drive
[12:00] <zleap> i can get 50 dvds for about 4.99
[12:00] <AlanBell> and the cost of putting the data on USB vs pressing it to DVD
[12:00] <popey> http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/bulk-1gb-usb-flash-drives.html
[12:01] <czajkowski> I'd say just sit and wait folks:) speculation won't get the 12.10 image t you any sooner :)
[12:02] <AlanBell> indeed
[12:02] <zleap> my computer group stars soon, 3rd october and runs initially for 4 weeks,  so that works out great with regard to getting copies of 12.10
[12:03]  * zleap will wait and see what happens
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: getting there http://ubuntuone.com/1f3Nz8fc0rDBt8uyHy5d3R
[12:34] <theopensourcerer> Savaloy & Chips. A Perfect Lunchtime snack :-D
[12:38] <popey> theopensourcerer, we're off to the dodgsons for tea tonight :D
[12:38] <theopensourcerer> Ah yes, Katie mentioned that the other day.
[12:40] <popey> looking forward to it, got babysitter booked! (my mum) :D
[12:41] <theopensourcerer> handy.
[12:41] <theopensourcerer> In the not too distant future my eldest will be able to do that for us - saving 30-40 quid every time we want to go out.
[12:42] <theopensourcerer> He now has his own key and we leave him from time to time.
[12:42] <popey> scary :)
[12:42] <theopensourcerer> 12
[12:42]  * popey has 6 more years to wait for that
[12:44] <theopensourcerer> My youngest, Monty, and Tom Dodgson are good mates. he came for a sleepover last week for Monty's 8th Bday
[12:46] <hamitron> 30 quid? :\
[12:46] <popey> yeah, few hours of babysitting clocks up
[12:46] <theopensourcerer> £6 / hr is a pretty good rate round here.
[12:47] <theopensourcerer> And it gets rounded [up] to the nearest integer
[12:47] <hamitron> should be 10-20 imo
[12:47] <hamitron> ;/
[12:47] <mattt> for babysitting?  (aka watching tv)
[12:47] <mattt> i don't think so
[12:47] <theopensourcerer> 4hrs, after midnight - nah...
[12:48] <hamitron> ah, pubs don't open that late here
[12:48] <hamitron> was thinking more 7 till 11
[12:48] <theopensourcerer> Se we go out at 19:30 and get back at 00:30 - that's 5 hrs.
[12:49] <theopensourcerer> And not unusual.
[12:49] <hamitron> I wonder if many give discount, if you have a games console
[12:49] <mattt> theopensourcerer: your raving days are over, it seems
[12:50] <theopensourcerer> mattt: Only when I am out with my wife ;-)
[12:50] <mattt> theopensourcerer: :P
[12:50] <theopensourcerer> Mostly we have separate social lives.
[12:50] <mattt> hamitron: i give discount if there's super fast broadband
[12:50] <theopensourcerer> Cheaper ;-)
[12:50] <hamitron> mattt, exactly :D
[13:08] <popey> daviey / Laney, whats the best way to track progress of packages through proposed, updates etc? is there a website or is it just "subscribe to release-changes list"?
[13:09] <bigcalm_laptop> This Farnham food festival any good?
[13:18] <klpkt> I can't access the internet on my computer! I've tried turning wireless off, turning airplane mode on, restarting my computer and my wireless network several times, but it hasn't worked!
[13:19] <klpkt> Can anyone help me?
[13:19] <popey> airplane mode?
[13:19] <popey> didnt know we had one of those
[13:20] <Daviey> popey: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ?
[13:20] <popey> daviey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[13:20] <popey> unity and unity2d unapproved, who do I poke?
[13:21] <Daviey> popey: ~ubuntu-sru
[13:21]  * popey checks
[13:21] <Daviey> popey: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing
[13:21] <popey> ta
[13:21] <Daviey> slangasek is away this week
[13:22] <popey> ta
[13:23] <klpkt> does anyone know how to fix my problem?
[13:23] <popey> klpkt, are you using ubuntu?
[13:23] <christel> theopensourcerer: are you joining us for beer tomorrow? :)
[13:23] <klpkt> Not right now, now I'm using another computer with Windows
[13:24] <theopensourcerer> christel: Unlikely I think. My eldest son has several "mates" around for a birthday sleepover and I think my better half would rather I was in to help and keep order...
[13:24] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: You have you laptop at a food festival man you need help and lots of it, christel slap bigcalm_laptop round some more will you please
[13:25] <popey> klpkt, i mean the computer with the problem
[13:25] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: no, I'm on a sofa right now. Looking at things that are happening and the food festival is one of them
[13:25] <klpkt> Yes
[13:26] <popey> klpkt, we don't have an airplane mode which makes me think you're using something else
[13:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Android has one
[13:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Turns all radio devices off
[13:26] <davmor2> popey: yes there is
[13:26] <klpkt> I have Ubuntu 12.04, and in System Settings > Network, there is one to the top right.
[13:27] <davmor2> popey: look under gnome control center → networking
[13:27] <christel> there's a food festival?!
[13:27] <popey> blimey, sorry
[13:27] <popey> I had never seen that
[13:27] <christel> theopensourcerer: aw shame! i miss you(!)
[13:27] <popey> klpkt, what type of machine is it?
[13:28] <klpkt> A Samsung something.
[13:28] <klpkt> I don't know how to check anything more than that...
[13:29] <davmor2> klpkt: open system settings → software sources  the last tab say additional drivers is anything listed there?
[13:30] <klpkt> no
[13:30] <klpkt> it says 'No proprietary drivers are in use on this system'
[13:32] <davmor2> klpkt: when you installed it did you connect it to the internet via wifi or a cable?
[13:32] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: does a wired connection work?
[13:32] <klpkt> davmor2: I connected via wifi
[13:33] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I don't have one, so I can't try...
[13:33] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: davmor2 showed me this when I had a wifi problem recently: rfkill block wifi; rfkill unblock wifi
[13:33] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: you could try running that from the CLI
[13:33] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: beat me to the next line
[13:33] <bigcalm_laptop> Sorry :)
[13:34] <klpkt> It didn't work...
[13:34] <brobostigon> where in android 4.1, does android store the apk's of the apps you install from the market?
[13:35] <klpkt> I have noticed earlier that the animation for the searching stops, and restart at times; is this normal?
[13:36] <davmor2> klpkt: do you see any access points listed?
[13:37] <klpkt> Yes, I see the one that I want to connect to, I choose to connect to it, but it just can't connect.
[13:38] <davmor2> klpkt: did you install with the text base installer or the live cd?
[13:39] <klpkt> A copy of the live cd, that my friend gave me.
[13:40] <davmor2> klpkt: just to check what do you see  with cat /etc/network/interfaces
[13:42] <klpkt> If you mean what's inside the file, auto lo [\n] iface lo inet loopback
[13:42] <klpkt> Or, I don't see the [\n], it was just to indicate a line break.
[13:45] <davmor2> popey: any other ideas?
[13:48] <davmor2> popey: okay rubbish bin and desktop switcher are now off the launcher all together and the dash icon is almost horizontal :D
[13:49] <klpkt> I don't know if it's relevant, but I have multi-boot with Windows, and I can access the network with that...
[13:50] <popey> davmor2, screenshot!
[13:50] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: in ubuntu, can you tell it to forget the connection and start from fresh?
[13:50] <popey> klpkt, what does "lspci | grep -i net" say?
[13:51] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I did, but it still doesn't work.
[13:52] <klpkt> popey: it lists Network controller: [...] and Ethernet controller: [...]
[13:52] <davmor2> popey: http://ubuntuone.com/7OMqeqTQiP8eLrBjHp6vmg
[13:53] <popey> klpkt, yeah, need more detail than that
[13:53] <davmor2> klpkt: use paste.ubuntu.com and put all the terminal info into that window using copy and paste and then paste the url for paste.ubuntu.com
[13:54]  * AlanBell points davmor2 at 14:20 < klpkt> I can't access the internet on my computer!
[13:54] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: tricky when he can't connect it to the internet
[13:55] <klpkt> I don't have web access... That's the whole problem...
[13:55] <davmor2> AlanBell: oh ah
[13:55] <davmor2> D'oh
[13:55] <AlanBell> anyhow, klpkt the bits in [...] are the interesting bits :)
[13:56] <klpkt> popey: Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 (rev 24); Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[13:58] <popey> interesting
[14:00] <davmor2> klpkt: did you try bigcalm_laptop's suggestion of forgetting the network and try connecting again fresh?
[14:00] <klpkt> Yeah, it didn't work...
[14:00] <bigcalm_laptop> What did it do though?
[14:00] <popey> klpkt, can you "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"  and then "dmesg | pastebinit" and give us the url
[14:00] <bigcalm_laptop> Did it ask for a password?
[14:00] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: lack of internet connection would say he can't
[14:01] <davmor2> klpkt: did you disconnect or remove it completely?
[14:01] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop:It forgot it, I reconnected it, typing in my password again, and then it was back to start.
[14:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Good, so it got as far as the password prompt
[14:02] <klpkt> davmor2: I chose forget in the system settings > network
[14:03] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: is there any chance that you've entered the password incorrectly? What happens when you put in a password you know is wrong?
[14:06] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I've written the password a lot of times, so it is highly improbable that I entered it incorrectly, but it does just the same when I put in a wrong password, except it after a while comes with another password prompt.
[14:07] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: so we now know that it is actually talking to the router
[14:17] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: do you have admin access to the router?
[14:17] <AlanBell> klpkt: can you turn off security on the router temporarily, just to see if that helps
[14:17] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I don't know
[14:17] <klpkt> AlanBell: I don't know how to do that
[14:17] <bigcalm_laptop> I see
[14:17] <AlanBell> I have heard of problems with cards that won't do all types of authentication
[14:18] <klpkt> I feel so stupid...
[14:18] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: no need to feel that :)
[14:18] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: do you know what the router make/model is?
[14:19] <AlanBell> so on the working computer in the browser go to http://<IP_ADDRESS> or perhaps http://<IP_ADDRESS> or perhaps something written on the back or bottom of the router
[14:19] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I think it's ZyXEL P2812
[14:20] <AlanBell> http://www.default-password.info/zyxel/
[14:21] <klpkt> AlanBell: The adresses you gave me don't work, there is nothing written on the back of the router, and my router wasn't in your site.
[14:22] <klpkt> ,
[14:22] <AlanBell> ok, you are using windows right? can you get to a command prompt and type "route print"
[14:22] <AlanBell> somewhere in that it will tell you the IP address of your default gateway
[14:23] <klpkt> Okay, I have logged into the router, what now?
[14:23] <bigcalm_laptop> <IP_ADDRESS> is my guess
[14:24] <klpkt> That was correct.
[14:24] <bigcalm_laptop> :)
[14:24] <AlanBell> yay, now look for wireless settings, and somewhere there will be something like WEP/WPA/None
[14:24] <AlanBell> change it to none or off
[14:24] <AlanBell> might be called wireless security
[14:30] <klpkt> I think I might have lost connection
[14:30] <klpkt> Nope, I didn't...
[14:30] <bigcalm_laptop> Welcome back
[14:30] <klpkt> For some reason, I was disconnected for a little while
[14:30] <AlanBell> :) yeah, it will do that
[14:31] <AlanBell> ok, so is security off now and does Ubuntu connect to it?
[14:31] <klpkt> The Windows machine recognizes that it has no security, but Ubuntu thinks that it still has a security, and won't connect.
[14:32] <bigcalm_laptop> Tell ubuntu to forget the connection and start again
[14:33] <klpkt> The only network it finds is the one with security.
[14:34] <klpkt> Or did you mean restart of the computer?
[14:35] <bigcalm_laptop> No, just the wifi connection
[14:35] <klpkt> Okay, it only finds the old network with security code
[14:36] <bigcalm_laptop> But surely it shouldn't if you have disabled security in the router?
[14:38] <AlanBell> I would try a restart of the computer
[14:38] <AlanBell> kick the wifi card into really rescanning properly
[14:46] <klpkt> Why do I get disconnected all of a sudden?
[14:50] <pinky-> klpkt, maybe because you've joined irc via a webpage, it's much better to connect here with exchat in ubuntu or mirc in windows
[14:50] <klpkt> How do I get those?
[14:51] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xchat
[14:51] <pinky-> exchat is already included in newer ubuntu and mirc is a free download from here http://www.mirc.com/get.html
[14:52] <brobostigon> pinky-: xchat, ?
[14:52] <pinky-> are xchat and exchat different?
[14:52] <brobostigon> the latter doesnt exist, as far as i know.
[14:52] <davmor2> pinky-: xchat isn't include by default in Ubuntu
[14:52] <brobostigon> !info exchat
[14:52] <brobostigon> !info xchat
[14:53] <pinky-> it's just when I see people quit here they mostly quit with an exchat quit message
[14:53] <davmor2> pinky-: the default install contains empathy which although it can do irc isn't recommended for any period of time
[14:53] <pinky-> ok I'll remember
[14:53] <popey> apt://xchat
[14:54] <popey> :)
[14:54] <davmor2> pinky-: yes that is a play on words ex parrot exchat
[14:54]  * brobostigon points out, exchat doesnt exist.
[14:54] <pinky-> ok understood now
[14:54] <pinky-> my bad
[14:58] <klpkt> Are anyone still here to help me?
[14:58] <pinky-> they've all gone looking for ex-chat
[14:58] <brobostigon> lol.
[14:59] <klpkt> For some reason I can't connect to the channel from mirc
[15:03] <pinky-> klpkt, first of all go through all the options and enter a nick, alt-nick and identd blah..
[15:03] <pinky-> klpkt, in options you goto Servers and click on Freenode then select a server from the list and click connect. Once you have joined you type /join #ubuntu-uk
[15:05] <klpkt> Yeah, but now the room seems empty.
[15:05] <pinky-> you are either on a wrong server, or a split server, or you have typed the channel name incorrect
[15:15] <pinky-> oh yeah just checked out my freash install of ubuntu 12.04 32bit and yup no xchat as default
[15:15] <pinky-> I shall always remember now
[15:16] <pinky-> I can't think what made me think it was there??
[15:16] <pinky-> I thought I saw it
[15:22] <pinky2> xchat:)
[15:22] <brobostigon> screen + irssi + bitlbee, :)
[15:26] <Krafty_> Hello
[15:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Dave2: are you alive?
[15:26] <Krafty_> Is anyone available to help with an issue I am having on ubuntu 12.04?
[15:27] <bigcalm_laptop> !ask | Krafty_
[15:27] <Dave2> bigcalm_laptop: NO
[15:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Dave2: good, you won't mind me talking at you in private message then
[15:28] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Man that is a new low talking to dead people
[15:28] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: I find that they are less likely to answer back
[15:29] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: but where is the fun in that?
[15:29] <Krafty_> I am trying to use a logitech M570 mouse on ubuntu 12.04, whenever i restart the computer it does not recognize the mouse, then when switch usb ports, it SOMETIMES works but is extremely laggy and slow. The mouse works fine on another windows 7 computer, so i know the mouse is not the issue. this mouse used to work with ubuntu 12.04.
[15:29] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: I like a quiet life :)
[15:36] <Krafty_> No possible answers?
[15:46] <Krafty_> alright then, thank you for the time
[15:47] <czajkowski> Krafty_: have you  reported a bug about this ?
[15:47] <Krafty_> this is already a reported bug
[15:47] <Krafty_> but none of the fixes have worked so far
[15:48] <czajkowski> have you left that as a comment on the bug ?
[15:48] <Krafty_> I have not, I figured I would ask around first
[15:49] <Krafty_> Then post on the website if I got a fix that worked
[15:49] <AlanBell> is it a wireless mouse with flat batteries?
[15:49] <Krafty_> flat?
[15:50] <AlanBell> my mouse does strange things when the battery gets low
[15:50] <Krafty_> oh no, the batteries are brand new
[15:50] <AlanBell> in that case I am out of ideas :)
[15:50] <Krafty_> lol
[15:55] <theopensourcerer> exit
[15:55] <theopensourcerer> gah
[15:55] <AlanBell>  /kick theopensourcerer
[15:55] <theopensourcerer> ouch
[15:56] <theopensourcerer> Thanks AlanBell
[15:56] <AlanBell> :)
[15:56] <theopensourcerer> Been looking at Webservices code for the last hour...
[16:02] <theopensourcerer> time to leave... Have a nice weekend everyone.
[16:10] <klpkt> I (still) can't access the internet on my Ubuntu computer... Can anyone help?
[16:11] <brobostigon> klpkt: can you ping out?
[16:11] <klpkt> What is that?
[16:11] <brobostigon> klpkt: it is a network dignostic tool.
[16:11] <brobostigon> diagnostic*
[16:12] <klpkt> How do I do that?
[16:12] <brobostigon> klpkt: open a terminal window, type the following "ping google.com" and be ready with ctrl+c, otherwise it will just run forever.
[16:13] <klpkt> It says unknown host
[16:13] <bigcalm_laptop> brobostigon: klpkt cannot make a connection to their wifi router
[16:14] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, thats expected from what bigcalm_laptop just said. ok, have you checked you wifi device is recognised, and it showing a device for it, in /dev. ?
[16:14] <klpkt> How do I check it?
[16:15] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok two commands for terminal again. do you see it in the output of lspci and lsusb.
[16:16] <bigcalm_laptop> brobostigon: the wifi access point is visible in klpkt's list, but connecting doesn't get past entering the password
[16:16] <brobostigon> bigcalm_laptop: wep or wpa?
[16:16] <bigcalm_laptop> That I don't know
[16:17] <brobostigon> quite importent,as in one, wpa_supplicant is used, in the other, nothing else but iwconfig needed.
[16:17] <klpkt_> The key is (I think) WPA-PSK2 or something.
[16:17] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: network manager should be able to detect the encryption type, but if the wifi router is not offering the information, you might have to manually set it in ubuntu
[16:18] <brobostigon> klpkt: have you also checked, as to if, your router limits the ip's it gives out, only to certain mac addr's. ?
[16:18] <klpkt_> How do I check that?
[16:19] <klpkt_> Also, why do you speak in terms I don't understand?
[16:19] <brobostigon> klpkt: it will be in the admin interface of your router, i coant tell you ,every one is different.
[16:19] <brobostigon> klpkt_: sorry, my apologies, i need to adapt my engineering terms, into something more commonly understood.
[16:20] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt_: we get people of all technical levels in here. Rather than sound patronising, it is best to start off at a higher level and adjust when needed :)
[16:20] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt_: please don't take it personally :)
[16:21] <klpkt_> Well, the router has a MAC address filter, but it's disabled.
[16:22] <brobostigon> ok, thats that ruled out. then.
[16:22] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt_: how many other wireless devices are using that router?
[16:23] <klpkt_> Well, there's this computer, three more, the Ubuntu computer, my Wii and Android, and I think that's it.
[16:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Aha, you have an android device!
[16:24] <bigcalm_laptop> If you set your android device as a wifi hot spot, can you connect the ubuntu machine to it?
[16:25] <bigcalm_laptop> We just want to make sure that the wifi chip in the machine works in ubuntu
[16:26] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I think it said that it wouldn't be able to connect any wifi if it was a hotspot.
[16:26] <klpkt> but i'll try
[16:26] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: that does't matter :)
[16:27] <bigcalm_laptop> We just want to see your ubuntu machine connect to _anything_ with wifi. Doesn't matter if a 'net connection is available beyond that or not
[16:28] <klpkt> That wasn't me, that was a clone profile that was created because I apparently logged on before I was logged off...
[16:28] <bigcalm_laptop> :)
[16:29] <klpkt> Well, the same thing happens if I try and connect to the hotspot; the exact same thing, in fact, even to the point where it asks for password again.
[16:30] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: Looks to be an issue with the wifi device in your ubuntu machine. I would say that the next step would be to get a network cable and plug the machine directly into the wifi router.
[16:31] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: Again, how do I do that?
[16:31] <jabulmer12> Afternoon
[16:31] <brobostigon> it might be worth looking through syslog and dmesg, to see if there are any obvious things going wrong.
[16:32] <klpkt> What should I look for?
[16:33] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: just before you try to connect to wifi, put this into a terminal: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[16:34] <bigcalm_laptop> Sorry I can't help any more right now. Time to go out.
[16:34] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: good luck!
[16:35] <brobostigon> klpkt: things related to our wifi device, wpa_supplicant or network-manager. or iwconfig or ifconfig, or dhcp.
[16:36] <klpkt> It seems like it gets connected, then gets an IP, but can't find a IPv6 router.
[16:37] <brobostigon> ah.
[16:37] <brobostigon> minute,
[16:37] <brobostigon> !ipv6
[16:37] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, that fairly normal, but shouldnt stop it from working.
[16:38] <brobostigon> klpkt: have you checked your dns.?
[16:38] <klpkt> brobostigon: How do I do that?
[16:38] <klpkt> I should Ctrl+C that phrase so I don't have to type it in....
[16:38] <brobostigon> klpkt: open the network manager control panel, and see what dns server it is using.
[16:39] <klpkt> Where is that?
[16:40] <brobostigon> klpkt: do you see network managers applet, in your top right hand corner, near your clock?
[16:40] <klpkt> The one where I can open the Settings/Shut Down etc.?
[16:41] <brobostigon> klpkt: next to it, it will look like an earial.
[16:41] <brobostigon> klpkt: or a signal strength meter.
[16:41] <klpkt> Oh that, yeah, I see it.
[16:42] <brobostigon> klpkt: if you right click, you should have a settings option.
[16:43] <klpkt> brobostigon: Well, that is a problem, because for some reason I can't right click those icons...
[16:43] <brobostigon> klpkt: very weird.
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangar_One_(Mountain_View,_California)
[16:43] <brobostigon> klpkt: left click that applet insted, you should get the same result, it should popup.
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> wrong window :)|
[16:44] <brobostigon> :)
[16:44] <klpkt> brobostigon: Okay, there is no Settings...
[16:45] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, go into your apps menu, and open systems settings,
[16:45] <klpkt> brobostigon: and then?
[16:46] <brobostigon> klpkt: there should be in that program, a netowkr config option.
[16:47] <klpkt> brobostigon: There is a Network, at least.
[16:47] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, go into that option.
[16:48] <klpkt> brobostigon: It doesn't say anything about DNS.
[16:48] <brobostigon> klpkt: go into options.
[16:49] <klpkt> brobostigon: What then?
[16:49] <brobostigon> klpkt: what tabs, at the top of that window do you see?
[16:49] <brobostigon> that should have popped up.
[16:50] <klpkt> Wireless, IPv4 Settings, IPv6 Settings, Wireless Security.
[16:50] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, if you go into ipv4.
[16:51] <klpkt> brobostigon: Now there is a locked and empty box that says DNS servers
[16:52] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok unlock it, it will ask for your password, then change those two dns entries to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:52] <klpkt> Which Method option should I choose?
[16:53] <brobostigon> you will need to use the unlock, to be able to change those options, so unlock it first, then add those two dns entries, with what i said above.
[16:55] <klpkt> brobostigon: No, the box is locked because I have Method Automatic, and there are several other options for it.
[16:57] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, try this, "gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf" than add "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" and save it, then ping out, like we tried earlier.
[16:58] <klpkt> brobostigon: the file says not to edit by hand.
[16:58] <brobostigon> klpkt: ignore it,
[16:58] <klpkt> brobostigon: should I ignore it?
[16:59] <klpkt> brobostigon: It still says unknown host.
[17:00] <brobostigon> klpkt: i am out of ideas now.
[17:00] <klpkt> brobostigon: This problem is really bad; so far you're the fifth person or something who have tried to help me...
[17:01] <brobostigon> klpkt: wow.
[17:01] <brobostigon> klpkt: do you have a difefrent wifi adaptor, you can try?
[17:02] <klpkt> brobostigon: By giving myself a custom IPv4 address, it finally worked! After almost 4 hours of trying to make it work!
[17:02] <brobostigon> klpkt: weird. that means dhcp isnt working properly.
[17:02] <klpkt> brobostigon: But now, the DNS lookup fails.
[17:03] <brobostigon> klpkt: use the dns addr's, i mentioned above.
[17:04] <klpkt> brobostigon: Those are the ones that I use; <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, separated by commas as the prompt tells me to.
[17:04] <brobostigon> weird.
[17:06] <klpkt> brobostigon: So now I'm connected to the network, but I can't access the network.
[17:07] <brobostigon> klpkt: i really dont know, to be honest, i am out of ideas.
[17:09] <brobostigon> brb
[17:09] <davmor2> popey: is it wrong to have to scroll for 10 seconds or so from the bottom of the launcher to the actual bottom of the list :D
[17:09] <popey> yes
[17:09] <popey> you can go direct to it though cant you?
[17:10] <popey> klpkt, you may have more luck in our official support channel, #ubuntu
[17:10] <popey>  /join #ubuntu
[17:10] <popey> ^ type that
[17:12] <davmor2> popey: 190 of 229 and then over to the pdfs :D
[17:14] <davmor2> popey: infact with the bottom launcher that you can see, at the top of the page you still can't see the last launcher icon :D
[17:34] <Azelphur> !status
[17:34] <Azelphur> whoops, wrong window
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> Don't Panic! there's a moral in that... & this: http://superengr.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/dont-panic/
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> [& hi-di-hi folks]
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> \o SuperEngineer
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Weekend -> SuperEngineer IRC quality time? ;)
[18:44] <SuperEngineer> yup ;)
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> [been away on "sanity break" & since then catching up on all stuff I need to do]
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> Dartmouth in sunshine = good for brain!
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to try that in May.. ish
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> that general area anyway
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> nice - let me guess.... Teignmouth
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: land's end/Minack theatre
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> cool!
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: going to see this singer sing again: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65507731C2EBA66A
[18:49]  * SuperEngineer never made it to land's end - no spaceship landing strip so not good for me
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it does have the entrance to the underwater tunnel to the other side of the ocean though
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: which of those listed would be best 1st listen?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: It was Me
[18:53] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: you are Narina Pallot? nah!
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: I'm not Nerina, I just like her singing :)
[18:54] <SuperEngineer> :D
[19:01] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: she's quite impressive
[19:04] <hamitron> SuperEngineer, still talking about the singing or.....?
[19:04] <SuperEngineer> If I see 1 more site quoting "to repair or recover grub from a live cd, first open a terminal" I am gonna scream!#
[19:05] <hamitron> why?
[19:05] <hamitron> :/
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> the live cd doesn't wanna letme do that!
[19:05] <hamitron> choose a proper livecd
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> ctrl+alt+F1
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> there's your terminal :)
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> try one... open dash - wait for a complete refesh... no terminal
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> precisely! but all these sites are copying/pasting wrong info - grrrrrrrr
[19:07] <hamitron> so why won't it let you open a terminal?
[19:07] <hamitron> :/
[19:08]  * hamitron is confuselled
[19:08]  * SuperEngineer awaits hamitron to finish loading up live cd on a netbook to find out
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: alt+f2 gnome-terminal?
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> hamitron: the "recommended" method does not work
[19:10] <Darael> SuperEngineer: If thou needest access to the instructions for copy-pasting, I suggest screen (or tmux) and use of, eg, elinks.  Lets one do it all from a TTY.
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: you know that, I know that - but pity the poor whatsits who rely soley on web-info
[19:10] <Monotoko> http://i.imgur.com/iExg7.png
[19:10] <Monotoko> :D
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> Monotoko: at last - a sensible read :D
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[19:14] <hamitron> :))
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> Darael: & I thought *I* was the only instellar travellar here.... whoops, I am - just checked landing records... you were born on this planet - fraud!
[19:15] <zleap> i thought 3 state was high, low and floating
[19:16] <hamitron> 1 0 and -1?
[19:19] <hamitron> although tri-state gates are 0, 1 and Z
[19:28]  * SuperEngineer cheated - let gparted do its work & then use boot-repair cd [1st use in anger & wow, job done]
[19:28]  * SuperEngineer recommends boot-repair
[19:29] <hamitron> I should upgrade to grub sometime
[20:15] <jason88usuk> ok so whats xchat about
[20:16] <zleap> jason88usuk, its a irc chat client
[20:17] <jason88usuk> irc?
[20:17] <zleap> internet relay chat
[20:17] <zleap> which you're on now
[20:17] <jason88usuk> Oh, this is all new to me. is everyone here logged in through linux?
[20:17] <zleap> i am
[20:18] <zleap> lubuntu 12.04
[20:18] <jason88usuk> so are the different rooms or just one
[20:18] <zleap> lots of different rooms
[20:18] <zleap> how did you get in here ?
[20:19] <zleap> i am gessing via webchat.freenode.net or some web based interface
[20:19] <jason88usuk> I went to the software centre and downloaded xchat and BAM im here
[20:19] <zleap> ah
[20:19] <zleap> ah ok
[20:19] <zleap> yeah i am guessing as the main support channels are here,  its set up to bring users here automatically for help etc
[20:19] <jason88usuk> only ever used web site chats so thought id give this a bash
[20:20] <jason88usuk> are you a helper then or just another one of us
[20:20] <zleap> well there are loads of channels on freenode
[20:20] <zleap> i am just a user
[20:20] <jason88usuk> how do you add channels
[20:20] <zleap> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[20:21] <zleap> usually you do /join #channel name
[20:22] <jason88usuk> found a quicker way.... right click ''freenode'' then go to channels... has lists :) so how come your on this channel
[20:22] <zleap> ubuntu-uk is the main ubuntu channel
[20:23] <zleap> i am on #lubuntu too as well as a few others
[20:24] <jason88usuk> is this place for normal chat or is it all about linux
[20:24] <zleap> well mainly ubuntu chat
[20:24] <zleap> there is #lubuntu-offtopic
[20:24] <zleap> depends really on the channel owners and how the feel about general chat,
[20:24] <jason88usuk> :( its hard to find a chat site nower days.....
[20:25] <brobostigon> here, we can be very general, beer and food and curry, and loads more, gets talked about.
[20:26] <zleap> just remember its a family channel so we can have minors here,   i think that is a general rule
[20:26] <brobostigon> within certain limits of course.
[20:26] <zleap> yeah
[20:26] <jason88usuk> oops seem to have broken the channels tab
[20:27] <jason88usuk> sorry about that
[20:27] <zleap> hmm,  well hang around here on a regular basis and you will be more confident with what goes on
[20:28] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:28]  * SuperEngineer congratulates jason88usuk on saying oops & not ehat SuperEngineer would have said ;)
[20:28] <brobostigon> lol
[20:28] <SuperEngineer> *what
[20:28] <brobostigon> **** **** , that ie.
[20:28] <zleap> lol
[20:29] <jason88usuk> lol ok has i walked in on something
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> well, **** ** actually ;)
[20:29] <brobostigon> lol
[20:30] <zleap> jason88usuk, naa, i think what he is saying is that he would have said something that would need censoring
[20:30] <jason88usuk> bad typo I ment have
[20:30] <brobostigon> hence the *
[20:30] <SuperEngineer> zleap:  jason88usuk exactly that
[20:30] <zleap> ah
[20:32] <zleap> where he go ?
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> e.g. you should have heard me this morning when some random bod caused me to nearly kill my netbook.... that *would* have been censored
[20:34] <zleap> lol
[20:34] <zleap> i hope we didn't scare jason88usuk off
[20:36] <SuperEngineer> perhaps he/she was a troll - if so, trolls are definitely changing for the better
[20:36] <Seeker`> o/
[20:37] <zleap> naa, sound like he was pretty genuine, just may have a few connection issues
[20:38]  * SuperEngineer thinks too late to cook - time for a good 'ol fish finger sandwich... with open sauce on it ;)
[20:38] <zleap> oh fish finger, i mis read that first time
[20:39] <zleap> gentoo sauce,  make it your self :D
[20:39] <SuperEngineer> shame on you zleap
[20:39] <zleap> lol
[20:39] <zleap> finger sandwich
[20:39] <zleap> lol
[20:53] <brobostigon> new QI, bbc2, 7mins.
[20:55] <SuperEngineer> thanks brobostigon
[20:55] <brobostigon> :)
[21:09] <ali1234> acos cli needs a password. password is in the executable string table. wtf
[21:45] <mattt> wewwwwt
[21:50] <SuperEngineer> see you later folks [was up early, eyelids now turning to lead], time for bed said Zebeddee [boing!]
[22:39] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well everyone.
[23:00] <ali1234> hmmm what's this? ubuntu is going to use grub2 on secure uefi systems after all?
[23:59] <r007> someone know about program like that, for linux http://static.commentcamarche.net/en.kioskea.net/faq/images/8Q2jkGo3yUKrAVte-s-.png