[12:27] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing mp3 playback is also disabled by default
[12:27] <Daviey> bah.. i'm still waiting on 'debian fonts task force'
[12:27] <Daviey> to resolve the licence
[12:28] <OpenMedia> the dvd/mp3 stuff just isn't understood by consumers.
[12:28] <superm1> all the medibuntu stuff is off by default
[12:28] <DaveMorris> Daviey: can't you just package some up to be used my mythbuntu before hand
[12:28] <superm1> the repo isn't added
[12:28] <superm1> Daviey, any words on the unofficial themes package either?
[12:28] <OpenMedia> Wow.. Since when?
[12:28] <DaveMorris> yes, however us downloading aka exporting from the US may not be
[12:29] <OpenMedia> mp3 is legal in NZ - no patents :)
[12:29] <Daviey> DaveMorris: i have!  But we can't really use it until the licence is kosher
[12:29] <DaveMorris> whats wrong with the licence?
[12:29] <superm1> OpenMedia, lucky
[12:29] <Daviey> DaveMorris: redhat haven't released them as we want them yet
[12:29] <DaveMorris> the patent on mp3 runs out in 2013 I think
[12:30] <Daviey> DaveMorris: haven't used 'open font licence' but they are willing to.  Just taking time
[12:30] <Daviey> might pester the debian guy again
[12:30] <OpenMedia> So whats the license on the new RH fonts?
[12:30] <DaveMorris> whats wrong with the current licence?
[12:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris: "meh"
[12:31] <Daviey> Currently gpl'd
[12:31] <DaveMorris> I'm just thinking there might be issues when creating documents etc
[12:31] <Daviey> apparently that's not appropriate
[12:31] <DaveMorris> however we're not using it in that context
[12:31] <Daviey> yes.. that was part of it.
[12:31] <DaveMorris> also mythtv is gpl'ed so that don't matter
[12:32] <Daviey> "Fonts need GPL exceptions for situations where they are used (technically as a library iirc) in a document that may be a private/confidential/proprietry document."
[12:32] <OpenMedia> Ah.
[12:32] <Daviey> not relevant in our case; but motu won't +1 my package until resolved
[12:33] <DaveMorris> Daviey: yep, but we can host it on mythbuntu.org
[12:33] <superm1> DaveMorris, we need to get all our stuff into ubuntu archives though
[12:33] <Daviey> can do; my package is on revu
[12:33] <superm1> thats why i'm working so closely with ubiquity guys
[12:33] <DaveMorris> and grab it from there, when its +1 we switch to the ubuntu archive
[12:33] <Daviey> is it a show stopper atm?
[12:33] <superm1> we can do that, but by release time it needs to be fixed
[12:33] <superm1> (as in archives)
[12:33] <Daviey> msttcorefonts will do for now?
[12:34] <superm1> for now it works fine
[12:34] <superm1> its just that we cant distribute it like this right now
[12:34] <superm1> ....or shouldnt be better yet
[12:35] <Daviey> Mind you; users cannot create documents using the fake fonts as there is no text editor that will use them on base mythbuntu install :)
[12:35] <superm1> Daviey, can i see your revu link?
[12:35] <superm1> i'm curious to see what they said
[12:35] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5182
[12:35] <Daviey> superm1: it was on irc
[12:35] <superm1> ah
[12:36] <superm1> but these are in debian now you said?
[12:36] <Daviey> no; the deb guys are trying to get a +1 to get it in theres aswell
[12:36] <superm1> ohh
[12:36] <superm1> idealy if debian straightens this out soon
[12:36] <superm1> it can just be synced
[12:36] <Daviey> Personally i'd rather use theirs - keeps it consistant at upstream merge
[12:37] <superm1> Daviey, any words on the mythtv-themes-unofficial package?
[12:37] <Daviey> yeah; i did email the deb guys; that's how i found out the prob
[12:37] <Daviey> superm1: sadly not - but considering it's a conversion from norm package to meta-package - is it holding things up?
[12:38] <OpenMedia> Where are the issues documented about the font license.
[12:38] <superm1> well atm not yet.  within the next week or two jared and i should have the rest of the installer ready though
[12:38] <Daviey> superm1: this last month has been so hectic.  I'm hoping to either get it done tommorow afternoon or early next week
[12:38] <superm1> so your two things will be holding up then :)
[12:38] <superm1> (the themes-unofficial and the metas)
[12:39] <Daviey> owwww.... had an idea.  Rather than call it *-unoffical what about *-extras
[12:39] <Daviey> *-extra rather
[12:40] <superm1> doesnt matter ot me one way or anothre
[12:40] <superm1> perhaps -community ?
[12:40] <superm1> instead
[12:41] <Daviey> that's better
[12:41] <Daviey> anyway.. I'll submit 1 theme to revu - if that has no probs, i'll throw the rest in and the meta
[12:42] <Daviey> bendailey been around recently?
[12:42] <Daviey> DaveMorris: have you had a chance to do that 'research'?
[12:43] <DaveMorris> what research?
[12:43] <Daviey> pm
[12:48] <DaveMorris> night all
[12:52] <superm1> sounds good Daviey
[12:58] <superm1> Daviey, you should look at how I have done my last few with cdbs
[12:58] <superm1> and a bzr branch
[12:58] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5419
[12:59] <superm1> dont have to nec. use the bzr branch, but cdbs is very easy to read/follow
[01:06] <Daviey> any guides on cdbs
[01:06] <Daviey> cdbs is entirely new to me
[01:06] <Daviey> only heard of it when you mentioned it the other day
[01:08] <superm1> it handles a lot of it for you
[01:08] <superm1> for a themes package, you can follow exactly what i did
[01:08] <superm1> with that gdm theme
[01:08] <superm1> just take out the bzr lines in debian/rule
[01:08] <superm1> just take out the bzr lines in debian/rules
[01:08] <superm1> and make sure debian/copyright is correct
[01:09] <Daviey> cool
[01:09] <Daviey> np
[01:10] <superm1> when you've got it ready, i can do a prelook over before motu's if i'm around if you want too
[01:11] <Daviey> yes
[01:11] <Daviey> i'll ping / email you when it's uploaded
[01:12] <superm1> great
[01:12] <superm1> as for the metas, i can explain to you a little more whats involved yet
[01:12] <superm1> there is a "seeds" directory in the bzr branch
[01:12] <superm1> as of probably 11 revisions ago
[01:12] <superm1> (we're at 58)
[01:12] <superm1> You use that to define exactly what apps are in what packages
[01:12] <superm1> and then inside the source package, you do a 'germination' (explained in a readme with the package)
[01:12] <superm1> to update from the seeds
[01:13] <Daviey> oic
[01:13] <Daviey> isn't that more complicated than standard?
[01:14] <superm1> well it allows for easy updates is the idea
[01:14] <superm1> you change one line, and it is reflected appropriately
[01:14] <superm1> in the resultant metas
[01:14] <superm1> with all its dependencies
[01:14] <superm1> so there are two meta that were started then, mythbuntu-live and mythbuntu-standalone
[01:14] <Daviey> cool
[01:14] <superm1> live will include *everything*
[01:14] <superm1> standalone includes everythign not removed by options
[01:16] <Daviey> ahh
[01:18] <superm1> and i think that's pretty much the jist of it.  all the files that are needed during the live install can be installed in mythbuntu-live, and the files that end up in /etc/skel after the install is done can be in mythbuntu-standalone
[01:20] <superm1> Daviey, so you've been tracking the debian bug 423503 then right?
[01:20] <ubotu> Debian bug 423503 in wnpp "ITP: ttf-liberation -- A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc." [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/423503
[01:22] <Daviey> yep
[01:22] <superm1> just saw it myself
[01:23] <Daviey> it was that bug that stopped my +1
[01:23] <superm1> well the thing is the licensing is because of dfsg though isn't it?
[01:25] <Daviey> seems so
[01:26] <superm1> then that shouldnt affect ubuntu directly
[01:26] <superm1> if they go into multiverse instead
[01:26] <Daviey> tell that to motu
[01:26] <superm1> who told you this?
[01:26] <Daviey> who looks after multiverse?
[01:26] <superm1> motu
[01:27] <Daviey> ah
[01:36] <superm1> ok Daviey i'm gonna take off from work.  i'll cu soon
[01:36] <Daviey> ttfn
[01:37] <OpenMedia> superm1_:  Thanks for the pointers on the font issues. Very interesing.
[01:37] <williammanda> hey guys
[01:38] <williammanda> what is the command using mysql to fix the database?
[01:39] <Daviey> OpenMedia: to be fair - we are first tryig to get the liberation fonts into a a package and accepted.  Once tht is done there needs tp be another package that depends on the fonts tha creates symlinks to the ms font filenames.  This will mean that apps can still refer to 'Arial' and get what is expected - but the fonts will be truly free
[01:47] <williammanda> help!
[01:50] <Daviey> williammanda: what do you mean by fix?
[01:51] <tgm4883> williammanda, to repair?
[01:51] <williammanda> yes!
[01:52] <tgm4883> lol, i don't know what it is, but knew what you were asking
[01:52] <tgm4883> wish i could be more help
[01:53] <williammanda> i'm having trouble with phpadmin....i can't login....
[01:53] <Daviey> do you know what table is borked, or the whole database?
[01:54] <williammanda> my processor is being tasked to 100% alot of the time.....
[01:54] <Daviey> ah, that's not a database corruption issue
[01:54] <williammanda> it just started ...
[01:54] <Daviey> what is 'top' telling you is hogging?
[01:54] <OpenMedia> have you run a tail on the mysql.log?
[01:54] <Daviey> commerical flagging can shoot the load right up
[01:55] <Daviey> from mysql console: mysql> REPAIR TABLE table_to_be_repaired;
[01:55] <Daviey> That will check & fix tables
[01:55] <williammanda> mythtv frontend
[01:55] <williammanda> i have a core 2 duo
[01:55] <williammanda> it never did it before
[01:56] <a5benwillis> superm1_:  ping
[01:56] <Daviey> a5benwillis: he's away
[01:56] <a5benwillis> ah tx
[01:57] <a5benwillis> just wanted to give him the good news abt my tuning problem I was having
[01:57] <williammanda> i'm not using commerical flagging.....never have.....always been turned off
[01:57] <a5benwillis> williammanda: I have the same proc, no problems
[01:58] <williammanda> great....I didn't have any either until a few days ago
[01:58] <williammanda> mythtv frontend always ran around 35% max with HDTV
[01:59] <a5benwillis> my performance isnt so good with HD
[01:59] <williammanda> now it hits 100% alot causing the viewing to pause
[01:59] <a5benwillis> whats the other core do when it hits 100?
[02:01] <williammanda> the other processer is at half or above
[02:02] <OpenMedia> williammanda: As Daviey asked, what are the top processes in top, and have you run a tail on mysql.log to see what is happening?
[02:02] <williammanda> the top process is mythtv frontend....I posted it
[02:03] <williammanda> i have not run any mysql process
[02:04] <OpenMedia> Ah so what is mythtvfrontend doing at the moment?
[02:05] <a5benwillis> williammanda: Can you tail the frontend log?
[02:07] <williammanda> ?
[02:07] <williammanda> how?
[02:09] <superm1_> a5benwillis, i'm here now
[02:09] <superm1> you got your tuning problems figured out eh?
[02:09] <superm1> thats great news
[02:10] <superm1> williammanda, depending on how you started it
[02:10] <superm1> if it was automatic from a session start
[02:10] <superm1> you can tail the .xsession-errors
[02:10] <superm1> in the user's home directory
[02:11] <a5benwillis> superm1: Heh, I just replaced the dvb card.. Works perfectly now.
[02:11] <superm1> so it was indeed bad then ?
[02:11] <a5benwillis> appears so.
[02:12] <a5benwillis> it got to where it wouldnt tune to any chans the past few days.
[02:12] <superm1> i've got an analog tuner like that that is really flakey and has been getting worse
[02:13] <a5benwillis> williammanda: Or you can kill frontend and backend and start them manually in a term window so you can see whats happening. I use my own init scripts so I can use my own logs in var/log
[02:13] <superm1> what did you eventually do about the lack of guide data, just end up not using american satellite and opt for candadian?
[02:14] <a5benwillis> that last patch with trunk fixed all my eit issues.
[02:14] <a5benwillis> check this out LOL
[02:14] <a5benwillis> "There's guide data until 2037-12-08 20:20 (11135 days)."
[02:14] <superm1> yea.....
[02:16] <a5benwillis> I am offically happy. Watching Spongbob right now!!
[02:16] <superm1> i dont know if i would qualify that as "all your eit issues" being resolved
[02:16] <a5benwillis> :-)
[02:17] <a5benwillis> well.. I'm have guide data for at least 9 days and it updates properly without running constantly.
[02:17] <superm1> thats great then
[02:17] <superm1> find out anything more about if your patches are getting applied to trunk for your tuner support?
[02:18] <a5benwillis> havent heard
[02:18] <a5benwillis> I really need to make a backup image now before something bad happens..
[02:41] <superm1> okay mates i'm out for a bit.  Daviey if your still up, get to bed :)
[02:48] <Daviey> yes sir
[02:54] <swhalen> Hi, can someone help me with the mythbackend script?
[02:54] <swhalen> !mythbackend
[02:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mythbackend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120083 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed configuring mythtv (dup-of: 119055)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120083
[11:37] <laga> superm1: some of juski's themes went into svn trunk
[11:37] <laga> superm1: they can be found in trunk/themes, not trunk/myththemes
[03:46] <superm1> neat ;)
[09:22] <dmandell> Hi, I've been having a bit of a problem with gnome-screensaver on a Fiesty mythtv install, can anyone help?
[09:22] <superm1> Hi dmandell
[09:22] <superm1> what sort of problem?
[09:22] <dmandell> Hi sperm1.
[09:22] <superm1> superm1
[09:22] <laga> rotfl
[09:23] <dmandell> superm1
[09:23] <dmandell> sorry!
[09:23] <laga> poor superm1_ :)
[09:23] <dmandell> Now with egg on my face I continue...
[09:23] <dmandell> The problem is that it's coming on at all, I'd like to disable it but don't see a real good way how to.
[09:23] <superm1> its coming on when?
[09:23] <superm1> during watching?
[09:23] <dmandell> I've got a combined frontend/backend...
[09:24] <superm1> or during general usage
[09:24] <dmandell> no, when video's paused or when I'm at the menus
[09:24] <superm1> right thats normal
[09:24] <superm1> but you want that turned off?
[09:24] <dmandell> More or less it just makes it confusing for the gf, as she thinks there's a problem.
[09:24] <dmandell> Yeah, ideally.
[09:24] <superm1> you are using ubuntu-mythtv-frontend metapackage correct?
[09:24] <dmandell> Yes, that's right.
[09:24] <superm1> okay easiest way to do it
[09:25] <superm1> when your sitting at the main myth screen, hit ctrl alt right
[09:25] <superm1> you'll be brought to another virtual desktop
[09:25] <superm1> right click it
[09:25] <superm1> and pick the terminal
[09:25] <superm1> and type gnome-screensaver-preferences
[09:25] <superm1> and you can change the settings for the screensaver there
[09:26] <superm1> close the terminal and hit ctrl alt left to go back to myth
[09:26] <dmandell> cool, thanks for your help.
[09:26] <laga> i didn't know that ctrl-alt-left trick. thanks :)
[09:26] <dmandell> I was going to rename the gnome-screensaver binary and leave an empty file in its place, but figured I'd be better off doing it the "right way"  Thanks a ton for your help.
[09:27] <superm1> not a problem.  btw you can tab complete IRC names, so there is no mishaps like before :)
[09:27] <superm1> laga, its not exactly intuitive, but its pretty neat eh?
[09:27] <laga> yup
[09:27] <laga> well, it doesn't look like my backend wil lgo into the living room anyways. guess i'll uninstall mythfrontend :(
[09:27] <dmandell> superm1: not with my IRC client, I'm using TinyIRC, tab nick completion doesn't look like it works.
[09:28] <superm1> ah thats a shame.  get a real IRC client then ;)
[09:28] <laga> yeah
[09:28] <superm1> the funny thing is that i catch myself trying to tab complete thoughts too
[09:28] <laga> irssi
[09:28] <laga> ;)
[09:28] <superm1> and that doesnt work...
[09:28] <laga> heh
[09:28] <laga> boo<tab>
[09:29] <superm1> laga, when your done with the svn packages, thats the next thing you should work on.  a python script to add to xchat that lets you tab complete sentances
[09:29] <superm1> and learns about what you think and type
[09:29] <Daviey> abybody else finding themeslves talk in the firt person in real like.   German - such a pretty language
[09:34] <superm1> laga, see with you always typing in english, i can't imagine you thinking in german or speaking/writing german
[09:34] <superm1> it just looks odd
[09:35] <superm1> speaking of which - do you think in german then?
[09:35] <superm1> since thats your primary language?
[09:35] <laga> i think in english when i'm in here, especially while i'm typing. i'm not translating on-the-fly, if you wanted to know that :)
[09:36] <laga> i usually switch between german and english channels or IM sessions a lot. i'm used to it
[09:37] <superm1> well i've just always wondered about that in general.  someone brought up on say italian, do they "think" in italian then
[09:38] <Daviey> Here's a mind blower; what if you had NO language - how would you think?
[09:38] <laga> tbh, i stayed home due to a flu or something when we talked about that in school :(
[09:38] <laga> superm1: well, do you think in english?
[09:39] <superm1> laga, well ya
[09:39] <superm1> but thats the only language i speak fluently
[09:39] <Daviey> i reckon he thinks in american
[09:39] <superm1> i understand some spoken italian and polish
[09:39] <laga> superm1: IMHO, you have objects and just apply a term you get from a specific language
[09:39] <superm1> and speak broken high school spanish
[09:40] <Daviey> laga: but what if you don't have a language to use?
[09:40] <superm1> kinda like how you learn that a new gadget is called 'iphone'
[09:40] <laga> superm1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics
[09:40] <superm1> then you associate that with the gadget
[09:40] <laga> Daviey: i'd think in cat-ish then
[09:40] <laga> meow
[09:40] <laga> no, i'm *not* one of these furries
[09:43] <laga> superm1: for me, it depends on the level of immersion. when i read complicated technical documents, like those XSLT docs i was reading earlier, i need to re-iterate those facts to understand them. i usually use german then because the technical stuff is abstract and complicated enough for me.
[09:44] <superm1> so basic concepts you would associate with english words
[09:44] <superm1> and things you can't represent in english
[09:44] <superm1> are represented in german
[09:45] <laga> i can represent them in english, but i could also represent them in flowcharts or something. it's just clutching for straws so i can understand them.
[09:45] <superm1> i see
[09:45] <superm1> what are you reading about XML translations for?
[09:45] <laga> if i was *writing* technical documentation in english, i'd usually think in english because it makes the job easier and because i have already understood what i am talking about
[09:46] <laga> superm1: www.epgdata.com gave me a test account and i'm writing a convertor to XMLTV
[09:46] <superm1> ah neat
[09:47] <superm1> laga, i forget did you finish with the mythweb htaccess spec?
[09:47] <superm1> on the trunk packages
[09:47] <laga> superm1: my use of language also depends on how i used to use it. i used to date an american girl and now i think in english when i think about love and associated items. trust me, i'm really scared about saying "i love you" instead of "ich liebe dich" now because then fecal matter would hit the ventilation device pretty hard
[09:48] <laga> superm1: not yet. i was busy with other stuff, including analysis. ;)
[09:48] <superm1> haha
[09:48] <laga> "you still love her"
[09:48] <laga> yadda yadda
[09:49] <superm1> american girls *are* trouble
[09:49] <superm1> i'll agree
[09:50] <laga> well, we all gotta go through hell a little bit
[09:51] <Daviey> "< superm1> american's ... *are* trouble"
[09:52] <Daviey> is taht a misquote?
[09:52] <laga> no
[09:52] <superm1> hey now Daviey
[09:52] <superm1> just because we talk different and eat really unhealthy, doesn't mean we're all trouble :)
[09:53] <Daviey> !polotics
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about polotics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <Daviey> !politics
[09:54] <ubotu> Please take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[09:54] <Daviey> rather
[09:54] <superm1> haha
[09:54] <laga> !irrational.flamewar
[09:54] <Daviey> superm1: now you've done it - Ircops on the case
[09:54] <laga> k-lining all americans tonight, are we?
[09:54] <Daviey> !45_minute_claim
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 45_minute_claim - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <superm1> !kidding
[09:55] <ubotu> You may think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users or irritate people who actually start answering your question :)
[09:55] <superm1> okay enough playing with ubotu I say.
[09:56] <Daviey> heh; does that count as bot abuse?
[10:03] <superm1> laga, do you know what themes were added to trunk?
[10:03] <superm1> and does that mean they are distributed with trunk?
[10:03] <superm1> or just as mythtv-themes
[10:04] <Daviey> juski said that he isn't gonna make any rah changes
[10:04] <Daviey> rash
[10:05] <superm1> what does that mean?
[10:06] <laga> superm1: there are in their own directory
[10:06] <laga> they*
[10:06] <superm1> so how are they going to be distributed?
[10:06] <superm1> is that tbd?
[10:07] <laga> seems so
[10:07] <laga> it looks like there'll be a theme downloader
[10:08] <superm1> oh so they will come with the theme downloader then
[10:08] <superm1> i see
[10:08] <superm1> well then what is the smartest way to approach the themes problem?
[10:08] <laga> svn co && dpkg-buildpackage ;)
[10:09] <superm1> for mythbuntu
[10:09] <superm1> and mythtv on ubuntu
[10:09] <superm1> packaging wise
[10:09] <laga> put each theme in its own package i'd say
[10:09] <superm1> and then the obsoleted ones we dont do anything with
[10:10] <superm1> *we remove from the archive
[10:10] <laga> which ones are obsoleted?
[10:10] <superm1> next ubuntu release
[10:10] <superm1> well the ones that dont need to be packaged
[10:10] <superm1> because of the theme downloader
[10:10] <laga> old themes like visor should be dealt with by upstream
[10:10] <laga> oh
[10:10] <laga> humm
[10:10] <laga> superm1: i have no clue how it'll be handled. a "theme downloader" sounds like it'd give you all kinds of troubles, because it'd need root permissions etc
[10:11] <laga> and not everyone has got net access on their mythtv boxen
[10:11] <superm1> well it can probably save to ~/.mythtv
[10:11] <superm1> if its smart
[10:11] <laga> it's still a WIP, i suppose
[10:11] <laga> true
[10:11] <superm1> okay Daviey
[10:11] <superm1> get a theme on revu already
[10:11] <superm1> :)
[10:11] <superm1> lets get that settled soon
[10:12] <laga> superm1: guess we need to talk to juski what he's gonna do exactly
[10:13] <superm1> well for all the other themes at least
[10:13] <superm1> we need to get those in


[02:30] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:40] <ducasse> good morning
[12:48] <CoDeAmRo> hi i am 39 computer programmer and software engineer i am half egyptian and emirates i am not here for playing or scamming i am looking for good woman to love and married
[12:52] <joelcrump> oh ...
[13:04] <akem> X)
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> hey
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> the demon!
[16:14] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[16:14] <marcoagpinto> What is error 474 downloading a video?
[16:14] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:15] <daftykins> that isn't remotely enough information
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhh
[16:15]  * daftykins looks at the topic again
[16:15] <marcoagpinto> :(
[17:43] <marcoagpinto> is anyone there?!
[17:43] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[17:44] <joelcrump> hello marcoagpinto
[17:44] <marcoagpinto> Hello
[17:44] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:33] <Ussat> I am dissapointed, he did not ask ASL
[20:34] <sarnold> Ussat: asl
[20:34] <sarnold> there ya go :) just like old times
[20:36] <Ussat> \o/
[21:03] <jeremy31> Bashing-om: Isn't there something you can put in /etc/default/grub to disable os-prober?
[21:05] <tomreyn> "info grub" says there is GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER
[21:06] <tomreyn> a boolean
[21:07] <tomreyn> also, there's a fs uuid ignore list (comma seperated): GRUB_OS_PROBER_SKIP_LIST
[21:07] <Bashing-om> jeremy31: tomreyn:: :)


[02:11] <fta2> asac, are you there?
[02:11] <fta2> asac, we(
[02:11] <fta2> asac, we're waiting fro u in the car
[06:12] <reed> asac / jcastro / fta2_: what do I say to Claire's e-mail?
[06:12] <reed> we're going to Mozilla that evening
[06:12] <reed> so, not reply?
[06:12] <reed> or what
[15:01] <reed> asac / fta2_: flights delayed... I'm still at my origin airport
[15:01] <reed> :(
[15:02] <reed> weather problems
[15:06] <fta> reed, oh, too bad.
[15:07] <reed> yeah
[15:07]  * reed sighs
[15:07] <reed> was on the plane
[15:07] <reed> but we sat there for an hour
[15:07] <reed> so, they deboarded us
[15:14] <fta> reed, are you still on time for the next flight or do you have to re-plan everything?
[15:14] <reed> they
[15:15] <reed> they've delayed my next flight
[15:15] <reed> but I have one more leg after that
[15:15] <reed> which isn't delayed
[15:15] <fta> great! well, sort of :)
[15:15] <reed> so, I dunno
[15:15] <reed> not sure when I'll finally get to SFO :(
[15:15] <reed> I'll keep you updated
[15:15] <fta> ok
[15:25] <jcastro> reed: if you come in too late then just go directly to the hotel
[15:25] <reed> jcastro: yeah, that's what I'm looking into
[15:30] <jcastro> campd seems to be missing too
[15:32] <reed> he mentioned he wasn't coming in until the end of the week, at least last time I spoke with him
[15:36] <asac> reed: good luck
[15:36] <asac> fta: hi
[15:36] <asac> fta: already went to breakfast?
[15:37] <fta> asac, yes
[15:41] <asac> fta: ok. i will just pick up some fruits then ... any plans when to leave?
[15:44] <fta> asac, whenever you want.
[15:56] <asac> fta: ok back from breakfast ... i think we should  meet about the time when the busses leave
[15:57] <asac> wasnt much time we had on top yesterday
[15:57] <asac> i will probably be down at 10 past 8
[15:59] <fta> asac, ok
[16:04] <asac> @time
[16:04]  * asac packs stuff
[16:07] <asac> fta_out: ok going down
[16:20] <reed> grr
[16:20] <reed> they cancelled my flight
[16:20]  * reed sighs
[16:29] <directhex> why?
[16:41] <reed> directhex: weather
[16:41] <directhex> damned mad scientists with their weather rays
[16:51] <fta> reed, still here?
[17:06] <reed> fta: yeah
[17:06] <reed> fta: I don't get to SFO until almost 8
[17:06] <reed> so, I'll just go directly to hotel
[17:12] <gandi> reed: how is UDS?
[17:12] <reed> gandi: I'm not there yet, sadly... trying to get there, but having massive flight problems
[17:12] <gandi> ouch
[17:13] <gandi> any story to share?
[17:13] <gandi> :)
[17:13] <gandi> I like stories
[18:05] <asac> fta_out: there?
[18:27] <fta> asac, yes
[18:34] <fta> asac, ??
[19:14] <asac> @time los_angeles
[19:14] <fta2> asac, ?
[19:14] <asac> fta: we are in the cafe in 1500
[19:15] <fta> asac, i'm in a session. do you need me for something?
[19:20] <asac> fta: no ... all fine
[20:56] <meoblast001> hi
[20:57] <meoblast001> im getting an error trying to compile wxMozilla using xulrunner
[20:57] <meoblast001> im compiling wxMozilla statically and im getting this http://rafb.net/p/QYqyQd25.html
[20:58] <meoblast001> i replaced mozilla-nspr and mozilla-xpcom with xulrunner-nspr and xulrunner-xpcom in the configure script
[20:59] <meoblast001> is it because the ubuntu debs of xulrunner arent static?
[23:17] <fta> any news of reed?
[23:19] <asac> nope
[23:27] <fta> asac, if you're free, we could work on the qt thing a bit
[23:32] <asac> Jazzva: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/9584 .... launchpad bugmail integration for tbird
[23:33] <asac> i think we should ask the user for a license file ... seems like he uses GPLv3 ... so most likely he will agree to add that
[23:33] <asac> fta: yes. are you still in the lobby?
[23:33] <fta> yes
[23:33] <fta> near the food
[23:34] <asac> fta: wanna come in the cafe (the place with the tables)?
[23:34] <asac> just in the same building
[23:34] <fta> hm, not sure where it is
[23:35] <asac> just go left down the long tway
[23:35] <fta> cafe fourteen?
[23:35] <asac> fta: err ... just where you are ... only way to go from there in the house i think ;)
[23:35] <asac> fta: just look down the corridor ... i stand there ;)
[23:43] <Jazzva> asac, sure. I'll try to package it... add the data to the table, too
[23:44] <Jazzva> asac, I'll update nspluginwrapper to 1.1.10, so you can push it later, if you haven't pushed this one :)
[23:47] <Jazzva> asac, actually, no need to update. Current revision in bzr is 1.1.10 :). Maybe just to update version in the changelog from 1.1.8rev805 to 1.1.10?
[23:56] <asac> Jazzva: yes. 1.1.10 ... is 1.2.0 rc right?
[23:57] <Jazzva> asac: yes
[23:57] <asac> Jazzva: are there issues fixed in it that are not yet in your branch and we want them?
[23:57] <asac> Jazzva: otherwise we should probably push this stuff
[23:58] <Jazzva> 1.1.10 is SVN revision 806, which only change from rev805 (which we have) is that it is tagged as 1.1.10
[23:58] <Jazzva> So we can push what we have in our branches
[23:58] <Jazzva> I'll just add the branch to the bug report, if I haven't already
[23:59] <asac> Jazzva: ok ... no need to upgrade then
[23:59] <asac> just push current and then when 1.2.0 is out


[02:02] <pauljw> gnite everyone
[02:18] <LambdaComplex> Bashing-om: i can irc today. should i put that off until tomorrow?
[02:19] <daftykins> XD
[02:20] <Bashing-om> LambdaComplex: Ouch ... There is such a thing as sin ... Only you can answer for abstaining from IRC .
[02:21] <Bashing-om> WAIT .. Now how about those hundreds that await the words of wisdom ???
[02:38] <juanmapalad> !ping
[02:43] <nicomachus> !LTS
[02:43] <nicomachus> !xenial
[02:43] <nicomachus> !LTSupgrade
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:04] <Bashing-om> o/ lotuspsychje
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[04:06] <Bashing-om> Been a good session .
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> great
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> ill start with cuppa tea
[04:11] <Bashing-om> Good way to start the day .
[04:11] <daftykins> \o
[04:11] <daftykins> o/
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[04:12] <daftykins> another day, another local unit of currency :)
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:18] <juanmapalad> hello
[04:18] <Ben64> another stuffed shirt with another white collar
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/17/technology/tor-developer-fbi/
[04:18] <daftykins> Ben64: smart look today? :>
[04:19] <Ben64> going off your almost rhyme
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> hi juanmapalad
[04:19] <juanmapalad> sup
[04:20] <daftykins> i keep hearing it's already compromised (TOR)
[04:20] <daftykins> never used it though
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> same here
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> real anonymity is being john doe
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> not hiding with tools
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-steal-25-billion-from-your-bank-with-a-few-clicks/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> this what happens when millions of people use the 'easy' banking apps
[04:27] <daftykins> mmm, mine pushes a smartphone app... i can't think of anything more ridiculous
[04:27] <daftykins> especially given how folks don't even secure their phones
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> what is a secure phone? :p
[04:32] <daftykins> certainly isn't one, but those that don't even have a lock screen pattern/PIN/pass
[04:34] <daftykins> not another one :/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/may/19/egyptair-plane-cairo-paris-live-updates
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> so weird this
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> do we have bermuda triangles in the sky now?
[04:36] <daftykins> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766 oy
[04:36] <daftykins> seems so
[04:36] <EriC^^> morning daftykins lotuspsychje
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> hey hey EriC^^
[04:37] <daftykins> heya \o
[04:39] <Bashing-om> OK, guys .. enough is enough .. calling it for this session .
[04:39] <daftykins> aww missed 'im
[04:41] <EriC^^> ps4 or xbox 360
[04:41] <daftykins> those are two different generations :)
[04:42] <EriC^^> oh
[04:42] <EriC^^> what's the new xbox
[04:43] <daftykins> xbox one!
[04:44] <EriC^^> aha
[04:44] <EriC^^> ps4 or xbox one?
[04:45]  * lotuspsychje takes out his comodore 64
[04:45] <daftykins> hehe
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:45] <daftykins> i think which camp you go for depends solely on which you like the games of
[04:45] <EriC^^> oh
[04:46] <EriC^^> i'm more of a nintendo guy
[04:46] <daftykins> those guys have a new console coming too!
[04:46] <EriC^^> i grew up playing golden eye, fox64, mario, stuff like that
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> all consoles had cool games
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> sega aswell
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> some games are real legendary right
[04:47] <EriC^^> nintendo64 had so many
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> mario bros,altered beast,street fighter,pit fighter
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> i like those oldskool luna park games :p
[04:48] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yesterday i tried putting the 42" in the living room
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> oh?
[04:48] <EriC^^> it wasn't all that bad, you can still pass on both sides
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> great!
[04:48] <EriC^^> yeah i was pretty bummed, i cant stand the 32" i feel like punching it sometimes
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> full screen smplayer working nice?
[04:48] <EriC^^> should have gotten a 40" 1080
[04:49] <daftykins> all the peas! all the inches!
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> i got a 27" HP lcd for my desktop
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> full screen movies does the trick for me
[04:50] <EriC^^> 32" feels like you're watching a micro tv from a distance a little
[04:50] <EriC^^> like you're looking into something
[04:50] <EriC^^> 42" is like in your face watching something
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> depends how far you sit of course
[04:51] <EriC^^> 32" i feel like saying hi little guy how are you doing?
[04:51] <EriC^^> then maybe smack it with a baseball bat and put it out of its misery
[04:51] <EriC^^> lol
[04:51] <daftykins> :)
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:51] <daftykins> d'aww poor little TV, gift it to someone in need :P
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah man, sell it again, buy your wish
[04:52] <EriC^^> i really like the plasma though
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> dont you have a second hand website in lebanon?
[04:52] <EriC^^> there is but i dont think it'll sell for much
[04:52] <daftykins> i always found an idle buzz and too high power consumption in plasma
[04:52] <EriC^^> i got it for like $240
[04:52] <daftykins> old tech getting killed off now too
[04:52] <EriC^^> it'll sell maybe $100 i guess
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: screen wash, pût in original box and ask 200
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> how old is it?
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> months?
[04:53] <EriC^^> not worth it really, dunno what to do with it though, for the saloon i want to eventually maybe get a 55" , i can maybe put it on the closed balcony
[04:53] <EriC^^> yeah
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> so there's still 2 years warranty, for someones kitchen
[04:54] <EriC^^> daftykins: yeah it feels hot, yesterday it even made the living room kind of warm
[04:54] <daftykins> hehe
[04:54] <EriC^^> but i love how there's a glass at the front of the screen
[04:54] <daftykins> i've a 55 in my lounge
[04:55] <EriC^^> the 32" feels so cheap and odd
[04:55] <EriC^^> it's like plastic and very matte colored
[04:55] <EriC^^> the plasma feels more like an old fashioned tv somehow, and the picture feels more vibrant and warm at the same time
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> or...get real angry in the store and say you got wrongly informed lol
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> and ask another tv
[04:56] <EriC^^> lol
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> you said 32 was going big!
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> i need a 55!!
[04:56] <EriC^^> if i knew someone who worked there probably could get a sweet deal
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: there's a dutch online store with a takeover formula for phones also
[04:57] <EriC^^> 55 is sick
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: send back your 'older' smartphone and get a voucher for a new buy
[04:58] <EriC^^> i used a meter to see how big it would be
[04:58] <EriC^^> crazy
[04:58] <EriC^^> daftykins: it is a 55" 1080 samsung?
[04:58] <daftykins> yep, 2012 model
[04:58] <daftykins> UE55ES6800
[04:58] <EriC^^> sweet
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> i got UE8000 40" also from older year (1600$)
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> but the blurays playing flawless
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> with this mediaplayer: http://www.mede8er.eu/en/
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> plays all codecs and formats
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> up to 2TB hd you can place inside
[05:01] <daftykins> i remember the 8000 was the 2013 model with voice control and all the gimmicky stuff
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> i got only 3D and smarttv
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> but the smarttv feels old
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> newer models are faster, better
[05:02] <EriC^^> wow the amount of games exclusive to either ps4 or xbox one are massive
[05:02] <EriC^^> i thought it was just gran turismo for ps4 and a couple games for xbox
[05:03] <EriC^^> ps4 seems to have more exclusive games though
[05:03] <EriC^^> not sure of quality of them though
[05:03] <EriC^^> http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_Games_vs_Xbox_One_Games
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> i never liked xbox myself
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> ps4 or steambox
[05:04] <EriC^^> i only played it once
[05:04] <EriC^^> the new controller i saw looked a little like the sega dreamcast's controller a little also a little nintendo64-ish
[05:05] <EriC^^> i have a good idea
[05:06] <EriC^^> i'll go to the store that has those dvd's i was talking about yesterday
[05:06] <EriC^^> i remember they had a bunch of games too, i think xbox 360
[05:06] <EriC^^> if they have games for xbox one i'll get an xbox one
[05:07] <EriC^^> fuck gran turismo i'll get the gran turismo 6 for the ps3 if i want to play gran turismo style car
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:08] <EriC^^> we should sell games online
[05:08] <EriC^^> buy them from there for $5 or something
[05:08] <EriC^^> then rip them and upload them for a price
[05:08] <EriC^^> or make sketchy international orders
[05:08] <EriC^^> "used games for sale"
[05:09] <EriC^^> make a website for movies
[05:09] <EriC^^> the movienight.ws site got like 1mil for deadpool views
[05:09] <EriC^^> that's $2000-$3000 in ad revenue
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> thats gonna cost you copyrights
[05:10] <EriC^^> probably can put it on a local server here with some corporate line, i'll actually manually rip the dvd's
[05:10] <EriC^^> and nobody would care cause this is lebanon
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> risky idea :p
[05:11] <EriC^^> when i was like 14 i got the sega dreamcast
[05:11] <EriC^^> cause i heard you could rip games for it from online
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> alot of online services want this to happen, that users pay for recent movies/series
[05:12] <EriC^^> after like a dozen failed cd's it finally worked
[05:12] <EriC^^> i started selling them at highschool
[05:12] <EriC^^> made a shit ton of $$
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> lets use the other chan
[05:12] <EriC^^> well not a shit ton, but good for a 14 yr old
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> !info krita
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> bug 1583114
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> still stable for now..
[06:03] <brushdemon> wait, so what happens if the discover gets a response? It still loops?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> after network-manager restart it just connects and stops looping
[06:05] <brushdemon> oh, I see
[06:10] <brushdemon> lotuspsychje: try setting your ipv6 to link local
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> i did
[06:11] <brushdemon> hmmm
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> now waiting for it to happen again
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> working now
[06:12] <brushdemon> ah I see, you actually get a link-local address assigned then it 'withdraws' it for "reason 'none'"
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> not sure why it does it
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> its not every boot neither
[06:13] <brushdemon> well, layer 1 seems to be fine if you can get it working at all, l2 is probably okay since the driver is working and your NIC seems to work
[06:14] <brushdemon> that's an interesting bug
[06:15] <brushdemon> lotuspsychje: have you tried disabling ipv6 completely?
[06:15] <brushdemon> unless you need to use ipv6 ofc
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> brushdemon: yes, its set to ignore now
[06:16] <daftykins> just the other day i tore out some notes i had on how to disable the ipv6 module, from when it was separate and not in the kernel :)
[06:16] <daftykins> 8.04!
[06:16] <brushdemon> hmmm, I'm honestly more concerned that it doesn't just fail after a few retries
[06:17] <brushdemon> old time :p
[06:17] <brushdemon> 8.04 was my very first clash with anything not windows
[06:17] <brushdemon> I'm not 100% sure on how ubuntu does it but I know that the ipv6 module in the kernel is well... a module
[06:17] <brushdemon> so you can technically blacklist it
[06:18] <brushdemon> I haven't took a look at the .config for the ubuntu kernel in a while
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> this isnt normal behaviour, devs should fix this by default
[06:19] <brushdemon> lotuspsychje: I'm aware, it should fail and not infinitely loop
[06:19] <daftykins> my ISP seems to have no plans to implement v6
[06:20] <Ben64> my isp can't get a patch out to fix ipv6 on my modem
[06:20] <brushdemon> ouch
[06:20] <Ben64> comcast released the patch october 2015
[06:20] <Ben64> :(
[06:23] <daftykins> but you don't want to use it, or?
[06:25] <brushdemon> lotuspsychje: I would honestly go to say that it's the dhcp implementation that's messing up here based on the logs. I'm not a dev though so we can see if I was right or not once they get around to it :)
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> brushdemon: ipv6 ignore fixxed this for now...lets see the next days if it occurs again
[06:26] <brushdemon> well, it's an okay work around
[06:26] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: does your ISP use v6?
[06:27] <daftykins> i tend to fully disable it on my Windows hosts since there's no reason to bother
[06:27] <brushdemon> I wonder if it's possible that it's failing with v6 due to one of v6's auto-allocation methods
[06:27] <daftykins> well you'd think that wouldn't be possible to fail
[06:27] <daftykins> link local v6 should surely just assign an address itself and be done
[06:27] <brushdemon> you also have stuff like slaac
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: no
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> dont need ipv6 myself
[06:29] <brushdemon> but you are right, there should be priority with slaac and dhcp on the client side
[06:29] <brushdemon> this really shouldn't be an issue at all
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> true
[06:32] <de-facto> Morning Guys :)
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> hi de-facto
[06:36]  * daftykins stands to attention
[06:38] <de-facto> just found out t-mobile probably is the only mobile ISP in germany which gives you a public ip where you can open ports when you choose the correct APN (internet.t-d1.de) for auth. Also it seems both vodafone and o2 employees are astonishingly incompetent, they dont even know what a IP address is, leave alone NAT or ports :P
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> oO
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> ok breakfast guys
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one!
[06:40] <de-facto> enjoy :)
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[06:55] <brushdemon> but NAT is extremely old now by tech standards
[06:56] <daftykins> well sure, they are there to sell and let people text and call - they're not network admins
[06:59] <de-facto> they all permit outgoing connections, but usually you get a private ip in their cellular networks (like 10.x.z.z) and are with another ip in the internet (like 80.a.b.c), hence they use NAT in their APNs and you cant open ports (e.g. for reaching the endpoint via ssh or such).
[07:01] <Ben64> my cell phone gives me a real ipv4 and a real ipv6
[07:02] <Ben64> ooh maybe not
[07:02] <Ben64> looks real, but isnt
[07:02] <de-facto> some give you just a private ip behind a nat (O2), some a transparent public IP without NAT (I read vodafone with cda.vodafone.de), but block ports, others give you a public IP and let you open arbitrary ports (like internet.t-d1.de)
[07:02] <de-facto> that is in germany
[07:02] <Ben64> ipv6 is real
[07:02] <Ben64> ipv4 the phone has is 100.x.x.x, but when i go to my server, server sees 70.x.x.x
[07:03] <Ben64> can't traceroute the 100.x, it goes in circles
[07:03] <de-facto> can you reach a service on it (like ssh helper) when you open a port on your phone with that public ip from another computer (like your desktop )?
[07:03] <Ben64> NetName:        SHARED-ADDRESS-SPACE-RFCTBD-IANA-RESERVED
[07:04] <Ben64> ah, it's a small reserved section i didn't know about
[07:04] <Ben64> NetRange:       <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:04] <Ben64> de-facto: if i put it on ipv6 i bet it would work
[07:04] <daftykins> "my ip" in google also handily gives you your internet facing IP
[07:05] <Ben64> i have a server that is easier and lighter than that :D
[07:05] <Ben64> http://ben64.com/ip.php
[07:05] <de-facto> yeah no need for NAT with v6, but still i guess the ISPs dont want you to open ports and such, for whatever reason
[07:05] <daftykins> ah har
[07:06] <daftykins> wonder if there's a non-PHP way
[07:06] <Ben64> whats wrong with php
[07:06] <daftykins> nothing, just in case it's not on a given host is all
[07:08] <de-facto> webrtc with stun server?
[07:08] <Ben64> * Ace0 has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
[07:08] <Ben64> :D
[07:09] <Ben64> warms my heart
[07:11] <daftykins> XD
[07:13] <de-facto> Ben64 http://pastebin.com/TWStyWve  :)
[07:13] <Ben64> ??
[07:14] <Ben64> <?php echo $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']; ?>
[07:14] <daftykins> XD
[07:15] <daftykins> one liner > essay
[07:15] <de-facto> half js with webrtc (to get private ip in wlan/lan), half php to reflect public ip and headers
[07:15] <daftykins> well the former is actually rude
[07:16] <de-facto> also you probably can use nginx with echo module or such if you dont want php
[07:19] <de-facto> daftykins why rude?
[07:20] <daftykins> they call them private IPs for a reason (:
[07:23] <de-facto> yeah, but its just displayed client side, so no leak (well except for the sdp request done in background)
[07:25] <daftykins> i wasn't looking at that code specifically
[08:12] <rilleh> I can't seem to get iTerm2 shell integrations to work in Ubuntu
[08:12] <daftykins> that sounds a bit like a support question
[08:12] <rilleh> You are correct :)
[08:12] <daftykins> ^_^
[08:37] <rilleh> Found out what the cause was: tmux
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
[10:24] <daftykins> \o
[10:24] <daftykins> how'd the dog walking go?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> i dont have a dog :p
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> i got 4 russian puppies :p
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[10:40] <daftykins> :D
[10:40] <daftykins> morning TJ- o/
[10:51] <EriC^^> !iraq
[10:51] <EriC^^> !iran
[10:51] <EriC^^> !euthopia
[10:51] <EriC^^> !ethiopia
[10:52] <EriC^^> !afghanistan
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> bot is down :p
[10:52] <EriC^^> !turkmenistan
[10:52] <EriC^^> nah it's giving me pms
[10:52] <EriC^^> !sudan
[10:52] <EriC^^> !france
[10:52] <EriC^^> !french
[10:52] <EriC^^> i think it has me on ignore now
[10:52] <EriC^^> !info bla
[10:53] <EriC^^> !french
[10:53] <daftykins> pre menstrual strain? sorry to hear that eric
[10:53] <daftykins> feel better! :)
[10:53] <EriC^^> lol
[10:53] <EriC^^> did i typo somewhere
[10:53] <daftykins> nah just teasing pms, PMs
[10:53] <EriC^^> haha
[10:54] <EriC^^> lots of shit go over my head
[10:54] <EriC^^> the linguistic/cultural stuff
[10:54] <daftykins> you do better than i would!
[10:57] <EriC^^> oh man almost done with the spring cleaning
[10:57] <EriC^^> had mcdonalds for lunch, i feel wrecked now
[10:57] <EriC^^> still 2 rooms to clean and maybe the balcony, so many stuff to do
[10:58] <EriC^^> i'm thinking if i can muster enough strength to carry the 42" to the living room again and put san andreas to continue watching it
[10:58] <daftykins> what do you buy from mcds? :) we don't have any fast food places on the island
[10:58] <EriC^^> that thing is heavy as fuck it's unbelievably heavy
[10:58] <EriC^^> i usually get the double cheese burger meal and an oreo icecream thing
[10:59] <EriC^^> sometimes i get a big mac meal, i dont like tomatos in hamburgers and most of the rest all have tomatos basically
[11:00] <daftykins> do they do the gherkin thing over there? little slice as normal on top?
[11:01] <EriC^^> gherkin?
[11:02] <daftykins> pickle?
[11:02] <EriC^^> oh, yeah i love those
[11:02] <daftykins> first time i had one on the larger island near here, i thought wtf? but yeah i quite like it :D nice addition
[11:03] <EriC^^> yeah pickles are great
[11:03] <daftykins> sometimes i go and get a mcdonalds at London Gatwick airport when i pass through, i can do that at the start of June 'cause i'll be going down to Spain again
[11:03] <EriC^^> cool
[11:27] <crocodilehunter> hi there. who would like to discuss the state of ZFS?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:30] <crocodilehunter> hi
[11:30] <daftykins> not me!
[11:31] <crocodilehunter> i have spent all day trying to boot ubuntu 16.04 off ZFS root...
[11:31] <daftykins> such storage is better as solely storage, with an OS outside of it
[11:32] <daftykins> easier to fault find from and so on
[11:33] <crocodilehunter> yes. there has definitely been a learning curve..
[11:36] <crocodilehunter> the way people were talking about 16.04, i thought it was going to be an option in ubiquity
[11:36] <crocodilehunter> i'll just have to use it as a seperate storage for LXD...
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> crocodilehunter: talk to ducasse
[11:37] <ducasse> zfs on root is a nightmare right now.
[11:37] <crocodilehunter> what do people on this channel usually discuss? any dev stuff?
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> crocodilehunter: ubuntu stuff
[11:38] <crocodilehunter> is ZFS on the ubuntu roadmap for full integration?
[11:39] <daftykins> i thought the license hassle would prevent that ever being a thing
[11:39] <daftykins> you should move distro if you want that
[11:40] <crocodilehunter> do you think that we would be at a disadvantage not supporting a feature like ZFS?
[11:40] <daftykins> ZFS is niche
[11:40] <OerHeks> crocodilehunter, what guid did you follow?
[11:40] <OerHeks> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem
[11:41] <crocodilehunter> move distros??
[11:43] <crocodilehunter> i tried all the guides including the one linked.. i guess it's not that important to boot of a ZFS /, but I was hoping to learn a repeatable method so i could contribute to documenting it...
[11:43] <daftykins> as i said, run a standard root and make a storage volume ZFS to tinker
[11:46] <crocodilehunter> i wouldn't move distros, i am a stakeholder in ubuntu just like you. what im trying to highlight is that storage is a pretty big component of an OS, and there's no denying that ZFS  is unrivalled when it comes to storage....
[11:47] <crocodilehunter> yes, i guess i will have to.
[11:48] <daftykins> stakeholder sounds like a financial connection :P
[11:48] <BluesKaj> or a serious dependency
[11:48] <daftykins> i think it's only justified based on your specific setup
[11:49] <daftykins> ZFS isn't for everybody
[11:49] <crocodilehunter> not stake doesn't mean financial, i guess 'vested interest' would be a more appropiate term...
[11:50] <daftykins> yeah
[11:50]  * BluesKaj has no desire to fooll with fringe filesystems just because theyre exotic and promise faster speeds etc
[11:51] <ducasse> zfs isn't really 'fringe'.
[11:51] <BluesKaj> to me it is :-)
[11:51] <crocodilehunter> i guess ZFS isnt for everybody, but i just thought withZFS being suggested to be used with LXD, that there would be more official docs...
[11:51] <daftykins> sorry but to claim otherwise you can't be considering home users in that
[11:52] <crocodilehunter> i would rather use zfs for /home than btrfs...
[11:52] <ducasse> crocodilehunter: second that, usage with lxd is poorly documented.
[11:52] <Ben64> i'd rather use ext4
[11:54] <crocodilehunter> considering i dont talk to much people these days i plan to hang out on irc more, and i happen to be an ubuntu user...
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> less hunt the crocodiles :p
[11:55] <BluesKaj> crocodilehunter:  what's so fascinating about zfs, anyway ..just curious
[11:56] <Ben64> it's got a z in it
[11:56] <crocodilehunter> it just happens to be what i've been working on. but i was hoping to learn myself so i could contribute to the docs....
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !contribute
[11:59] <crocodilehunter> licensing aside, its more about LXD, than ZFS. i think LXD is a killer app that will put ubuntu even further in front....
[11:59] <daftykins> i'm not even aware what that is just by the letters :>
[11:59] <BluesKaj> oh the container thing
[12:00] <crocodilehunter> but like i said, im surprised because alot of the official ubuntu PR mentioned  native ZFS support and i thought there would of been more resources on it...
[12:02] <crocodilehunter> am i on the wrong channel? i want to contribute to ubuntu. is there another channel where they talk about projects and such?
[12:02] <daftykins> !channels
[12:02] <daftykins> hrmm.
[12:03] <daftykins> there's a list of the channels on the website
[12:03] <daftykins> i think the wiki could use some work everywhere :)
[12:03] <crocodilehunter> i'm concurrently on 5 ubuntu channels, but this channel is the only active one....
[12:04] <daftykins> well #ubuntu is the main support one, #ubuntu-server for server support... and so on
[12:04] <crocodilehunter> i want to get involved..
[12:04] <daftykins> those are the more active ones
[12:05] <crocodilehunter> thanks..
[12:06] <crocodilehunter> actually, i used to use centos, i tried to get involved on the forums, but i didnt find them to friendly..
[12:06] <daftykins> no idea on a more specific one though, it's not really the kind of thing i've tried to look for before
[12:07] <crocodilehunter> "i have a dream".... to contribute to linux...
[12:08] <daftykins> if the bot were working there'd be factoids i could trigger
[12:08] <daftykins> not quite sure what's up with that
[12:11] <BluesKaj> crocodilehunter: perhaps #ubuntu-devel might be right for you
[12:12] <crocodilehunter> i was just about to type that in... im a bit apprehensive about bothering them.. oh well, worth a shot
[12:14] <BluesKaj> well, if you want to get wet , the best way is to dive in , if it's too deep you'll find out soon enough :-)
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: :p
[12:27] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  :-)
[12:30] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:30] <daftykins> hey sir o/
[12:31] <pauljw> :)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[12:33] <pauljw> BluesKaj
[13:48] <TJ-> Unity is quickly pissing me off! It has no concept of maintaining user input focus in the correct control
[13:55] <BluesKaj> unityand gnome pissed me off a long time ago :-)
[13:58] <TJ-> I'm only using it because for 16.04 it has the only desktop that can correctly adjust pixel pitch on a high-DPI screen
[14:05] <BluesKaj> oh fancy, afraid my TV/monitor is only 1920x1080 capable, but it still looks quite good
[14:48] <JanC> TJ-: what do you mean with the user input focus?
[15:17] <TJ-> JanC: where a user-initiated action results in either 1) the launched application window being behind the 'current' window (example: using firefox, then go to System icon  > System Settings ... or Bluetooth icon  > Bluetooth settings...) or 2) using Thunderbird + Enigmail, have an encrypted email selected in the mail list, go to the Enigmail menu > Decrypt/Verify, Passphrase dialog opens on-top with
[15:17] <TJ-> highlighted focus in input text box, cursor flashing, but typing goes nowhere until actually interacting with the dialog with the pointer
[15:17] <TJ-> I'd say (1) happens about 75% of the time and (2) 100%
[15:19] <JanC> (1) happens when you click (or somehow otherwise focus) the current window after launching the other application
[15:25] <TJ-> that's what is supposed to happen, but I'm seeing the launched GUI appear in the launcher but behind everything else, without having moved the pointer or 'accidentally' pressed mouse buttons
[15:26] <TJ-> It seems to happen in fits and spurts, as in it will be fine then there'll be a period where it does it constantly, no matter what I launch. The only commonality is the applications are started from the iconic taskbar top-right
[15:29] <de-facto> yeah "fake focus" is quite annoying
[15:30] <de-facto> happens in gnome shell too
[15:30] <TJ-> so likely caused by the underlying Gnome then?
[15:31] <de-facto> good question, idk
[15:32] <TJ-> it's damned annoying when doing decryption and hitting the keys to type the secret passphrase and it goes someplace else; it could accidentally be delivered to chat for example, although I've never seen any process actual consume the typing - that's the other annoying part about it - does it just disappear, or is it being directed to another process
[15:32] <de-facto> it may depend on how you loose focus mabye?
[15:33] <TJ-> with the passphrase every visual indication is the dialog, and its text box, has got focus.. the I-beam cursor is flashing, the border is highlighted orange
[15:34] <de-facto> does it depend on where the real focus acutally sits? like another window or say unity somewhere?
[15:35] <TJ-> I don't think so, as in Thunderbird main window has focus, it's menu is stolen by Unity into the top bar, I click on Enigmail, sub-menu shows, I click on Decrypt/Verify, the passphrase dialog appears
[15:36] <TJ-> the common thread is unity menu/taskbar is involved
[15:36] <de-facto> i dont have thunderbird installed currently, so cant verify that on gnome shell
[15:38] <de-facto> for me it happens on firefox and chromium
[15:39] <de-facto> both arent quite native gtk apps i guess they implement their own way of focus somehow
[15:39] <TJ-> Yes, I've seen it there too but I probably don't have a workflow that provokes it so reliably
[15:39] <TJ-> and debugging GUI event/focus loops is not the easiest of jobs at the best of times so I'm gritting my teether, swearing, and getting on with fixing other bugs :)
[15:40] <de-facto> both move away from being native and implementing more and more their own ways i guess. same might apply to libre office maybe
[15:41] <de-facto> but thats just wild guesses
[15:42] <de-facto> maybe you can script a reliable way to reproduce with xdotool, but that might be overkill
[15:44] <TJ-> once I find time to figure out why the high-DPI scaling isn't working well in XFCE or LXDE I'll switch to one of those.
[15:45] <TJ-> I work at the CLI in tmux mostly, so apart from web access, I can do everything else in a terminal
[15:46] <de-facto> once i got used to gnome shell it became quite convenient for me, plus i like the extensions idea
[15:47] <de-facto> there are even some extensions for tiling support in gnome shell
[15:47] <de-facto> shellshape
[15:48] <TJ-> aha! just found another example! Using firefox and noticed an email notification in the taskbar, click on the mail icon that shows a sub-menu with 2 'folders' listed with new mail... click on one, the Thunderbird icon in the launcher 'wiggles' but doesn't come to the front
[15:50] <de-facto> maybe because the notification is not a "real window"? not sure...
[15:52] <de-facto> https://vimeo.com/25589480
[15:52] <de-facto> "shellshape demo"
[15:53] <de-facto> http://gfxmonk.net/shellshape/
[16:21] <JanC> TJ-: your (2) I didn't address because I don't use Thunderbird, but that _might_ be a Enigmail bug (e.g. setting focus to the dialog instead instead of to the entry box)
[16:22] <JanC> or some other Xul bug
[16:26] <JanC> one possibility is also that some of the focus stealing prevention is too aggressive
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> wb
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> you can smell when im online? telepathy? or i need a shower?
[16:47] <TJ-> JanC: the indicatations for the passphrase dialog is the text-box *has* the focus, as I said. Orange border, I-beam cursor blinking in it
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> bbl pizzatime!!
[16:48] <JanC> right, but that *could* be a/the bug also
[16:49] <JanC> it would be interesting to figure out where the actual focus is  :)
[16:49] <TJ-> Enigmail doesn't have control of *how* the focus point is indicated
[16:49] <JanC> TJ-: it has to some degree
[16:49] <TJ-> yes, I'd rather like to know that too :)
[16:50] <JanC> actually, applications can quite easily pretend to have focus when they don't  ;-)
[16:50] <TJ-> JanC: no, in GUIs you can do component.focus() to tell the toolkit to give it focus, the toolkit paints the indications and draws the input cursor if appropriate. If gnome is doing something else it's very broken
[16:51] <TJ-> I think it's the same issue as (1) but as the passphrase dialog is modal it is forced to be in front of everything else
[16:51] <JanC> TJ-: you can change the theme, you can create your own widgets for whatever reason, etc.
[16:53] <TJ-> it's as if the menu that launches it keeps the input focus. Maybe it captures it and doesn't release it appropriately, or releases too late. I know there are other event timing related issues in Unity so it wouldn't surprise me
[16:54] <JanC> and contrary to what you think, it's not always the toolkit painting that indication (and in case of Xul-based applications, you have something that tries to emulate another toolkit, but sometimes fails to do so :) )
[16:55] <TJ-> the well known Gnome Terminal minimize/maximize bug is due to event timing. I've seen the same thing using non XUL applications. I thought it was me glitching when I was using the System Settings applets just after installation, but I suspect that was the same lost-focus issue
[16:56] <TJ-> damned thing is so hard to capture debug data on, which makes it worse
[16:58] <TJ-> ahhh, and I recall something else that had this focus that isn't brought to the front issue - the on screen keyboard
[17:02] <JanC> there is a GNOME terminal minimize/maximize bug?
[17:04] <TJ-> yes, it is very popular :D
[17:05] <TJ-> I think lotuspsyche and others first told me about it, I had assumed it was normal behaviour
[17:05] <JanC> I've never had any focus issues with it?
[17:05] <JanC> so please explain?  :)
[17:06] <TJ-> no, it's an event timing bug. Start the terminal, change its size to be appreciably smaller than the screen. Maximize it. Now restore it
[17:06] <JanC> hm, never had any issues with that
[17:07] <JanC> which is possible with timing-related bugs, of course
[17:11] <TJ-> bug 1521302
[17:11] <TJ-> there's another bug affecting the greeter where it resizes the greeter unexpectedly
[17:12] <nicomachus> TJ-: had a guy on #ubuntu last night that was completely missing kernel/drivers/hwmon.
[17:13] <TJ-> nicomachus: how did you boot him? :p
[17:13] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:13] <TJ-> bug 1571640
[17:14] <nicomachus> didn't realize until he started looking for cputemp modules and couldn't find the directory they were supposed to be in. but I don't think he ever fixed it
[17:14] <TJ-> nicomachus: had the user done a purge of the kernel packages then?
[17:15] <TJ-> all modules are at /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/
[17:15] <TJ-> linux-image-<version> installs /boot/vmlinuz-<version> and modules to /lib/modules/<version>/
[17:16] <TJ-> so the system was booted and then the running kernel's packages were removed
[17:16] <JanC> TJ-: I wonder where those gnome terminal windows are located on the screen & how big they are for the people who see that...
[17:18] <nicomachus> TJ-: he had upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04. :/
[17:22] <TJ-> JanC: can be anywhere, but always restores to a size a few pixels less than maximum
[17:22] <JanC> TJ-: so based on Marco's explanation, there actually is a bug in gnome-terminal and/or in Gtk3 ?
[17:22] <TJ-> Yes
[17:23] <TJ-> It happens 100% of the time for me; as I said, I assumed it was an annoying but intentional 'feature' since I've not used Unity in years
[17:23] <JanC> I've never seen that bug
[17:23] <JanC> I wonder if some Compiz/Unity settings make it better or worse
[17:24] <TJ-> Did you fresh install or upgrade? Maybe there's an inherited config value that prevents it. Mine was a fresh install from ISO
[17:24] <JanC> this was a fresh install
[17:25] <JanC> although I did move some config back (but no Compiz stuff, I think)
[17:26] <JanC> OTOH, I did change some settings right away...
[17:33] <TJ-> I've not touched anything except setting the Display scaling factor to 1.15 or so, since this thing has a 2560x1440 11" LCD
[17:33] <TJ-> Maybe it would trigger in a guest session?
[18:22] <nacc> sometimes i wish people would realize that doing something outside of a distribution's control implies you are supporting yourself...
[18:23] <OerHeks> -and i don't hear you-
[18:23] <OerHeks> grinn
[18:23] <nacc> :)
[18:24] <TJ-> nacc: I can tell you're new here :D
[18:25] <nacc> it's something i've thought so many times over the years
[18:25] <TJ-> 1/2 or more of support issues are due to that :D
[18:25] <nacc> it's a fool's hope, i know -- but a distribution is just that, a bundle of stuff that is supposed to go together
[18:25] <nacc> TJ-: 100% ack :)
[18:26] <TJ-> hahaha I'm going to print and frame that!
[18:26] <TJ-> "supposed to go together"
[18:29] <nacc> :)
[18:29] <nacc> i think there probably should be nested quotes around both 'supposed' and 'together'
[18:32] <TJ-> or great but tongue-in-cheek emoticon
[18:32] <TJ-> s/but/big/
[18:33] <nacc> heh
[18:33] <OerHeks> step 1 add any ppa from ... wait, http://www.dailyubuntu.com/ domain expired today :-D
[18:34] <TJ-> really?
[18:35] <TJ-> Expiration Date: 19-may-2017
[18:35] <TJ-> someone must have just renewed!
[18:37] <OerHeks> http://i.imgur.com/oYAE0xj.png i still see this
[18:38] <nacc> heh, they got stolen out and now are hax0rd?
[18:38] <TJ-> well the SOAs are still what looks like parking pages: Name Server: DNS3.PARKPAGE.FOUNDATIONAPI.COM
[18:39] <TJ-> there's a grace period after expiry before the domain can be taken over, so I doubt the ownership has changed.
[18:39] <nacc> TJ-: yeah it's weird, got a random bad popup page once, then a domain search page once
[18:39] <TJ-> (speaking as a domain registrar myself its generally 14 days grace or sometimes more, with plenty of reminder emails)
[18:39] <nacc> seems fishy at best
[20:27] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade


[10:49] <Iamthehuman1> hmm.. windows-key no longer brings up launcher. otherwise it works as expected
[10:50] <Iamthehuman1> I will probably start to work after a restart or just a relogin
[10:50] <Iamthehuman1> s/I/It/
[11:09] <Iamthehuman1> yeah, reboot fixed that
[11:30] <Iamthehuman1> Autostarting Ardour just does not work .. I can imagine there is a technical reason for this
[11:30] <Iamthehuman1> It'd be nice if it could be autostarted like 60 secs after the actual startup race for the CPU and memory registration
[15:03] <Eickmeyer> Iamthehuman1: Monologuing in the channel is against the IRC Guidelines. Please refrain from doing so. Unless you have an actual support *question* please keep it out of this channel. Thanks.
[15:05] <Iamthehuman1> Ok. Why doesn't autostarting Ardour with 'System Settings -> Autostart' has no effect?
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> Iamthehuman1: I don't know.


[00:02] <noodles775> hazmat: yep, comment makes sense... will updated to ensure current set of clients are enabled.
[01:07] <jcastro> noodles775, you could also do something like, get some previous reviews acked by someone actively involved in the charm
[01:07] <jcastro> so that when a ~charmer on rotation gets to it, if it's had a few people's eyeballs on it already ....
[01:10] <noodles775> jcastro: Yep, that makes sense when you've not got someone actively involved who is also a charmer.
[04:00] <projekt2> trying to deploy juju-gui on my bootstrap node
[04:01] <projekt2> I get the error "ERROR cannot assign unit "juju-gui/0" to machine 0: series does not match"
[04:01] <projekt2> unit gets created but stays in pending state
[04:03] <jose> projekt2: what's the series on the 0 machine?
[04:03] <projekt2> precise
[04:04] <projekt2> the command I ran was "juju deploy juju-gui --to 0"
[04:24] <jose> projekt2: can you please try `juju deploy cs:precise/juju-gui --to 0`?
[04:31] <projekt2> jose, that worked, thank you
[04:31] <jose> projekt2: cool, no problem. let me know if there's anything else yo need help with!
[10:58] <gnuoy> jamespage, I have a small charmhelpers mp if you have a moment at some point https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charm-helpers/add-peer_ips/+merge/228640
[11:00] <jamespage> gnuoy: comments
[11:00] <jamespage> on MP
[11:01] <gnuoy> ta
[11:01] <jamespage> gnuoy: thanks for merging the network splits stuff
[11:01] <jamespage> much appreciated
[11:01] <gnuoy> np
[11:08] <gnuoy> jamespage, updated
[11:10] <jamespage> gnuoy: a niggle but the round brackets are surplus
[11:10] <gnuoy> sure, 1 sec
[11:12] <gnuoy> jamespage, fixed
[11:12] <melmoth> hello juju folks. I have been asked why in order to have  juju ensure-availability (https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-ha.html) one cannot use a even number of odd.. I guess that it s because one need at least (n\2)+1 vote to get a quorum and having a odd number for n makes split brain avidable.
[11:13] <melmoth> can someone point me to a more precise documentation on the odd number prerequisite (like, wich vote algo is being used or something ?) and tell me....what happen when the node being master dies... the all stuff ends up with a even number of nodes, does it not ?
[11:14] <jamespage> gnuoy: merged
[11:14] <gnuoy> thanks
[11:14] <melmoth> does this mean, as long as one of the odd node dies, the juju environment cluster is in split brain risk situation ?
[11:14] <jamespage> melmoth, doing HA with even numbers of nodes is not reliable due to split brains
[11:14] <jamespage> melmoth, so a minimum of 3 units is required - the same applies in ceph as well
[11:15] <jamespage> melmoth, so that quorum is maintained
[11:15] <jamespage> in the event of a single node failure
[11:15] <melmoth> i got that.. but, then, when one node dies, you again in a situation where a split brain can occurs, right ?
[11:15] <jamespage> melmoth, in that situation most tools just freeze - ceph does this - it knows it had a peer but its disappeared so io is frozen
[11:16] <jamespage> melmoth, I'm not 100% sure what juju's behaviour would be
[11:16] <jamespage> urm - rogpeppe1 might have an idea
[11:16] <rogpeppe1> melmoth: jamespage is right
[11:17] <jamespage> rogpeppe1, so in the event that 2 out of 3 nodes fail, juju goes into lockdown right?
[11:17] <rogpeppe1> jamespage: yes
[11:18] <rogpeppe1> melmoth, jamespage: see http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/core/replica-set-members/ for some detail
[11:18] <jamespage> rogpeppe1, awesome
[11:18] <melmoth> ahh, thanks
[11:18] <rogpeppe1> jamespage: i don't think there's anything else that can be usefully done
[11:18] <melmoth> so, the actual "engine" of the ha cluster is a native mongodb stuff, right ?
[11:19] <melmoth> anyway, i think i got enough data to feed whoever asked me about this for a while :) cool. thanks.
[13:47] <npasqua> Hello all. Trying to install a HA Openstack instance on 6 nodes (3 for quantum/neutron and 3 for compute/ceph/allinone using lxc) and when all of the lxc containers come up, they receive the error agent-state-info: 'hook failed: "ha-relation-changed"'
[13:48] <npasqua> Each lxc container has received an IP in the same range as the mgmt ip addresses and there is a br0 set up for these lxc containers to use
[14:06] <rbasak> sinzui: 1.18.4 is in trusty-proposed now. Do you have automated QA you can run on it yet?
[14:06] <sinzui> rbasak, no, honestly that is a feature that need to be built
[14:06] <rbasak> sinzui: I'm not sure it's worth getting you to do any 1.18 specific work for this though, since we want to be on 1.20 really.
[14:07] <rbasak> Hmm, OK. I guess I should just verify that the client works in a local environment then?
[14:09] <sinzui> rbask. +1, but I can do a little better by manually running the test scripts with the new juju. That will exercise other substrates/clouds
[14:10] <sinzui> rbasak, Once I stop developers from landing non-fixes for devel regressions, I can return to feature work. I can promise to have this tested in the next 24 hours
[14:15] <rbasak> sinzui: no problem - thanks.
[14:40] <npasqua> Trying to install HA Openstack and having hook errors... getting this error in my hacluster logs on my lxc containers. Missing required principle configuration: ['corosync_bindnetaddr', 'corosync_mcastport']
[15:04] <khuss> when i bring up a node using Maas, I would like it to update to the latest kernel. How can this be automated?
[15:07] <lazyPower> jamespage: do you have a moment?
[15:08] <lazyPower> I fixed up MongoDB, and added a real brief ceilometer test in amulet... i'd like input on what else you would like to see validated with Ceilometer so i have a robust test
[15:11] <jamespage> lazyPower: hello
[15:11] <lazyPower> jamespage: i pushed the prelim here: https://launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/trusty/mongodb/fixing_st00f
[15:12] <lazyPower> i'm refactoring the test now to validate with the address being in ceilometer.conf, are there any other levers i need to pull, services to deploy?
[15:12] <lazyPower> this basically just validates it related successfully, and has the conf file written
[15:35] <hazmat> mramm, alexisb can you include me in that discussion
[15:35] <alexisb> hazmat, yes I will have to, I do not have enough context to give jam guidance
[15:36] <mramm> hazmat: that discussion is just about can we have JAM look at it toku from a resource availability thing
[16:08] <lazyPower> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/trusty/mongodb/fixing_st00f/+merge/228714
[16:10] <jamespage> lazyPower: that should be good - hook errors would indicate any other problems....
[16:29] <lazyPower> ahhh i just broke it backporting the storage-subordinate work
[17:31] <khuss> could anybody point to docs on creating custom images for MAAS
[17:38] <khuss> how does a charm know which image to use for while installing the charm?
[18:06] <khuss> looks like this forum is dead
[18:09] <sarnold> khuss: I brelieve the series comes from the 'precise' or similar in the path to the charm storage in the repository... https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charms/precise/ceph/trunk/view/head:/metadata.yaml
[18:11] <khuss> sarnold: I would like to use a custom image while bringing up the charm. trying to see how to specify this custom image in the charm
[18:12] <sarnold> khuss: I don't think you'd really specify that in the charm itself; just guessing here, but you could probably create your own 'series' like precise or trusty or whatever, rename a distro, rename the directory in your repository, but I lose the thread when you have to get simplestreams to know about it..
[18:12] <ahasenack> khuss: look into juju-metadata, I know it's how you build the metadata used to specify images
[18:13] <ahasenack> khuss: but I don't know how that works with maas
[18:14] <khuss> sarnold:  do you know the procedure for creating custom image.. essentially i want to create an image with different kernel and have MAAS boot node with that image
[18:15] <sarnold> khuss: sorry, no idea there, I've always been content with the default images :(
[18:16] <khuss> sarnold: problem is that upgrading kernel from the default image will require reboot.. not sure how to handle that from a charm. I want the charm execution to continue after doing the reboot.. may be there is a way to do this with startup scripts.. but I can avoid all that hassle if I use custom image
[18:18] <sarnold> khuss: hrm, what problem are you trying to solve? there might be an easier way around it.
[18:18] <khuss> sarnold: my charm requires a different kernel than what is provided by default image
[18:19] <sarnold> (I'm not saying that I'll know the easier way -- just that this doesn't sound like the usual orchestrate service interactions that people use juju for :)
[18:21] <khuss> sarnold: how would you install a charm if that charm requies a different kernel - using juju way?
[18:24] <sarnold> khuss: I -think- I might try first using a subordinate charm, whose sole job is to install the new kernel
[18:24] <sarnold> khuss: scheduling the reboot would be annoying of course.
[18:25] <khuss> sarnold: reboot is the problem
[18:26] <khuss> sarnold: hope you understand the problem i am trying to solve
[18:27] <sarnold> khuss: yes, makes much more sense now :) thanks. I hope one of the wizards can suggest something good for you :)
[18:28] <khuss> sarnold: pretty hard to get any help from this forum though.. thanks for your help anyway
[18:30] <sarnold> khuss: yeah, people are busy and don't always have time to head over to irc. you could also try asking in askubuntu.com with the [juju] tag, that might draw input from a different audience -- and has the benefit that it would be recorded for posterity :)
[18:30] <khuss> sarnold: thanks
[19:41] <jaywink> hitting some blocks on deploying a charm that uses a postgresql db. my plan only has 8GB of local HD, so I need to use a volume - but how do I do that with the charm with Juju? there is nothing in the trusty/postgresql readme about this that I can see :( any hints anyone?
[19:47] <jaywink> hmmm I guess storage charm has something to do with this
[20:07] <jaywink> bummer, block-storage-broker does not work on trusty+openstack :( filed a bug #1350021
[20:07] <_mup_> Bug #1350021: block-storage-broker on Trusty + OpenStack fails in install <openstack> <trusty> <block-storage-broker (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350021>
[20:11] <jrwren> jaywink: trusty supports icehouse
[20:13] <jaywink> oh that bug I just report has been fixed in code revision 53, the charm store is at 52
[20:14] <jaywink> the merge was done 18th July - I guess it takes some time for the store to update?
[20:15] <jrwren> someone must promulgate it (I think that is the term)
[20:19] <jaywink> hmm no wait, trusty branch hasn't got the latest commit, only precise branch. that kinda doesn't help since the fix is for trusty hehe
[20:48] <dpb1> Hi -- when I deployed a node with juju on maas, it got /dev/sdb as it's root device.  Is this a valid possibility?  or a bug?