 Anyone with a blog have a solution?
[15:45] <jthan> ChinnoDog: wordpress?
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> yes
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> Over the last few days I have suddenly gotten a deluge of pingback spam
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> I'm considering just turning it off
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> bash foo is so handy
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> like right now I needed to do some cross-validation of many fasta files
[18:57] <MutantTurkey> well I just used sort/ln/find/split/and some other stuff/ to generate seperate folders of links to the different fasta files
[18:57] <MutantTurkey> resulting in equal but random parts folders full of data for cross validation!
[19:46] <jedijf> MutantTurkey++
[19:46] <jedijf> it does make life soooo much easier for us than the thems
[19:52] <MutantTurkey> amen
[20:12]  * waltman awaits the bash part :)
[20:13] <waltman> kids today, thinking 'shell' == 'bash' :)
[20:21] <jedijf> bash dash csh zsh shesh
[20:21] <jedijf> oops
[20:21] <jedijf> sheesh
[20:21] <jedijf> it's just like your perl foo
[20:22] <jedijf> use whatever works
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> except I don't want to use perl
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> as for bashisms i'm not sure, are any of the cool redirect stuff only for bash?
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> like <() and substitutions?
[20:38] <waltman> All I'm saying is that I probably would've called it 'shell fu', not 'bash fu' :)
[20:39] <waltman> Totally agree that it's amazingly powerful, of course :)
[20:51] <jedijf> waltman: btw where was that 'don't eat here' photo from?
[20:52] <waltman> A Chinese takeout place in Garrett Hill called China Garden
[20:55] <waltman> The funny thing about that is that I totally took it as "don't eat at this table" and didn't see the other meaning until I'd uploaded it.
[20:55] <waltman> I thought it was funny because they have a table that they don't want you to eat at, not that they don't want you to eat their food
[20:56] <waltman> For a neighborhood greasy wok it's pretty good.
[20:57] <waltman> It's next door to Garrett Hill Pizza, if you've ever heard of them.
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> gets really ugly though
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> or y in oligo_HPY OprB Peripla_BP_1 SBP_bac_1 SBP_bac_5 Sugar_tr TOBE TOBE_2; do j=0; for i in ../nucleotide_lists/$y/$y-0*; do j=$((j+1)); for z in `cat $i`; do ln -s /data/calvin/PfamDB/nucleotide/$z $y/$j; done; done;done;
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> i mean seriously... i wish bash had a easier to read for loop
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> i'd like easy multi line creation of commands or something
[21:16] <waltman> OK, that's somewhat bash-y
[21:17] <waltman> I think at some point I'd probably put that into a shell script just for sanity's sake
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yeah
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> it's one of those run once situations
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> run once. hope you didn't screw up 1,000,00 symlinks
[21:22] <waltman> I think there's some flag you can set where it only echoes the commands but doesn't actually run them.
[21:22] <waltman> anyway, gotta run. later.


[05:00] <lwizardl> hello
[05:01] <lwizardl> I was wondering how can I set xubuntu to lock the screen but not hibernate so that applications can stay running
[06:13] <nikolam> What should I do with this dying indicator plugin. Anyone using some other tray app for xfce
[06:14] <nikolam> also I am puzzled with exitance of 'IBus Preferences' now, when there is Keyboard layouts
[06:14] <bazhang> !info alltray | nikolam
[06:16] <bazhang> ibus brings up a multi choice character list, such as for Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, where the number of characters are far greater than the keyboard keys
[06:17] <nikolam> It have problem with languages with multiple layouts, and assigning keyboard layout shortcut, I would love to see it gone, when i have keyboard layout working fine
[06:18] <bazhang> what languages are those nikolam
[06:18] <nikolam> But I need Serbian Latin/Cyrilic and Keyboard layout plugin does that ok
[06:18] <nikolam> and ibus does not, it brings only cyrilic
[06:19] <bazhang> Latin...
[06:38] <nikolam> I also have to wait upd to few minutes for application launcehr to start (Alt+F2)
[06:38] <nikolam> and bunch of xfce4 apps survive logout
[06:38] <nikolam> like xfrun4 and xfce4-volumed and pulseaudio
[06:38] <nikolam> and there are like 3 inits etc
[06:38] <nikolam> probably for every log in I do
[06:46] <bazhang> sounds like an overmatched system
[06:46] <bazhang> what are the system specs
[06:57] <nikolam> xfce4-power-manager also survives logout
[06:57] <nikolam> 2GB RAM, P4 3Ghz, 8600GT 64bit
[06:58] <bazhang> so much lower end
[07:01] <nikolam> most of the time a gig is free
[07:02] <bazhang> try lubuntu
[07:02] <bazhang> or the mini iso and build up slowly to match system specs
[07:02] <nikolam> no man, xubuntu is just fine on this system, that is not the problem. Problem is that upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 get things wrong.
[07:03] <nikolam> It is pretty fast and working just fine.
[07:03] <bazhang> what exact things got wrong
 I also have to wait upd to few minutes for application launcehr to start (Alt+F2)
[07:04] <nikolam> 1. LAN network not sharing wireless internet to LAN on startup untill clicked 2. indicator plugin dying and displaying much of GNOME stuff and some small ones
[07:04] <bazhang> that doesnt sound fast
[07:04] <nikolam> yes, that too.
[07:05] <nikolam> I think I will need to reinstall fresh 14.04 to rule out update problems
[07:05] <nikolam> but it is nothing new that in ubuntu in general, updates are not tested right
[07:06] <nikolam> so fresh install is always better.
[07:06] <bazhang> thats not correct at all
[07:06]  * nikolam wonders if can come up with fresh install on BTRFS that could be done in-place in the future
[07:07] <nikolam> bazhang, well, with people (me) using PPAs during lifetime of release and other things, not single update for me worked right to the latter actually, for years
[07:07] <nikolam> And it is always good advice to do fresh install , at least for LTS it is best
[07:07] <bazhang> how many PPAs are we talking and which ones
[07:08] <nikolam> bazhang, It varies at me for years, like 5 or 6 at average
[07:08] <bazhang> no wonder then
[07:09] <nikolam> I had times when I uninstalled them before updates and again, updates are not strong side of ubuntu between releases
[07:09] <bazhang> upgrades automatically disables PPAs
[07:09]  * nikolam still wanders why many apps were removed from repos in 14.04
[07:09] <bazhang> check the release notes
[07:10] <nikolam> bazhang, yes and it its doing by commenting them so user need to edit every one of them to get them back... I know
[07:10] <nikolam> It is also not best behaviour.
[07:10] <bazhang> PPAs are a mine field
[07:11] <bazhang> and using half a dozen or more, thats likely a huge stability problem
[07:11] <nikolam> yes they are, but beside that, update also is, even without ppas. or with ppa packages uninstalled
[07:11] <nikolam> I will do reinstall anyway, i am sick of looking in the dark after update.
[07:12] <bazhang> so what are these Six PPA
[07:14] <nikolam> virtualbox, zfs-native, libreoffice, and I added fengestad for fs-uae.
[07:15] <nikolam> Interestingly, After removing zfs-native, Nvidia graphic was working in vga-only. It get back only after re-installing zfs
[10:22] <STEVE1978> Hey Guys
[10:22] <STEVE1978> Can anyone help me to install CUPS?
[10:22] <STEVE1978> I am TOTALY NEW to Linux, but an advanced Windows User
[10:24] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 sudo apt-get install cups
[10:32] <poeticrpm> isnt cups already installed on Xubuntu?
[10:33] <poeticrpm> I just plugged my printer in and it was setup in about 30 seconds
[10:34] <cfhowlett> poeticrpm it's in the main repo - not sure if it's actually in the default install
[10:35] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett, hrrmmphh.. I could have swore it was
[10:35] <cfhowlett> poeticrpm if you have it but you didn't install it - it's in the default.
[10:36] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett, im on Arch atm, so I dont want to jump to conclusions :)
[10:36] <poeticrpm> youre prolly right
[10:37] <poeticrpm> but i cant remember the last time I had to install cups on any *buntu. Plug in the printer, wait 30 seconds, print. Unless they changed this recently?
[10:37] <cfhowlett> poeticrpm that's the way it was supposed to work ...
[10:38] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett, oh im sorry, you mean buntu downloads cups and configures it the first time? That would make sense I guess.
[10:39] <poeticrpm> it doesnt work that way on Arch. Jesus. Nothing worse than setting up a damn printer on Arch
[10:39] <poeticrpm> and then to have it break due to some change 3 months later and have to do it again. Anyways end off topic
[10:40] <cfhowlett> poeticrpm thus I run ONLY LTS versions ...
[10:41] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett, haha, yeah, LTS is cool for sure
[10:43] <STEVE1978> @cfhowlett : will try
[10:43] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 current LTS is 14.04 - go forth and conquer!
[10:47] <STEVE1978> any good tutorials on learning the basic linux terminal commands?
[10:47] <STEVE1978> I am sooooo done with Windows!
[10:47] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 http://www.linuxine.com/linuxbooks
[10:48] <STEVE1978> anything on youtube?
[10:48] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 only a few million
[10:48] <poeticrpm> STEVE1978, https://wiki.archlinux.org/  <--- One of the best resources for linux
[10:48] <poeticrpm> i should clarify, for making things work/setting things up
[10:49] <poeticrpm> cfhowletts link is better for learning straight cli
[10:49] <knome> poeticrpm, except it's for arch, and some of the things aren't in par with what ubuntu has. so it might be suboptimal for new ubuntu users.
[10:52] <STEVE1978> LOL, thanks everyone
[10:52] <STEVE1978> Linux Roc ks!
[10:59] <poeticrpm> knome, yeah, ill give you that :)
[11:07] <STEVE1978> what's the fastest browser to use with Linux ( Flash Supported)
[11:09] <cfhowlett> !browser|STEVE1978
[11:12] <poeticrpm> STEVE1978, prolly chromium or chrome as much as I hate to say it
[11:12] <poeticrpm> I wish people cared more about ideals than speed, but thats just me.
[11:14] <STEVE1978> how do i install chrome?
[11:14] <STEVE1978> I am also an android user, so chrome would be good
[11:14] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get install chromium
[11:14] <cfhowlett> !chromium
[11:14] <poeticrpm> makes no difference whether you use android
[11:15] <STEVE1978> is chromium the same as chrome?
[11:17] <STEVE1978> is chromium the same as chrome?
[11:19] <cro_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6253/whats-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-or-chromium-what-are-the-advant
[11:20] <STEVE1978> thanks cro
[11:20] <cro_> so, i guesse the answer is "yes" but ... :P
[11:22] <STEVE1978> any way of running coreldraw through wine instead of using virtualbox?
[11:24] <poeticrpm> do a google search for "wine appdb"
[11:24] <cfhowlett> !wine|STEVE1978
[13:16] <STEVE1978> How do I install Inkscape on Xubuntu?
[13:16] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 sudo apt-get install inkscape
[13:18] <STEVE1978> good alternative to photoshop that can remove backgrounds?
[13:18] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 gimp
[13:20] <STEVE1978> can i install skype on linux?
[13:20] <GridCube> !info skype
[13:20] <GridCube> !find skype
[13:20] <GridCube> not from the usc, probably from their own .deb tho
[13:21] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 but of course!
[13:21] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 search out skype for linux, download and install.
[13:24] <STEVE1978> You guys are awesome... thanks
[13:24] <STEVE1978> especially CFHOWLETT
[13:24] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 happy2help
[13:24] <STEVE1978> how do you unistall a program that was installed through wine?
[13:25] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 uninstall wine software
[13:29] <STEVE1978> Woohoo..loving Linux!
[13:29] <STEVE1978> should have made the move from Windows Years Ago!
[13:31] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 www.fullcirclemagazine.org      for lots of fun ubuntu projects
[14:17] <STEVE1978> how do i move the panel to the bottom instead of the top of the screen...lik windows?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 "move" panel?  just make a new one.
[14:18] <cfhowlett> STEVE1978 settings > settings manager > panel
[14:24] <GridCube> STEVE1978, go to the setting of the panel and unlock it, when unlocked you can drag it to the bottom of the screen by clicing on any of its corners
[14:24] <GridCube> no need to make a new one, tho you can do that too
[14:32] <STEVE1978> where can i see wifi networks on the pc?
[14:32] <STEVE1978> i have a usb dongle
[14:34] <STEVE1978> where do i find the Network Manager?
[14:42] <GridCube> in the panel, its the two arrows thing
[14:42] <GridCube> you can also launch the nm-connection-editor from a terminal
[14:59] <m1dnight_> hey guys, Is there a workaround for the suspend issue? (waking up from suspend goes to login and then to a black screen)
[15:00] <m1dnight_> I've tried nvidia drivers but they failed on me
[15:00] <m1dnight_> (one driver killed X, and the other didnt make a difference, so I'm on nouveau now)
[15:00] <m1dnight_> Turning off lock on wakeup fixes it
[15:00] <m1dnight_> but I'd like to maintain the lock
[15:00] <m1dnight_> Just hearing if there might be a workaround :) otherwise I'll live
[15:04] <GridCube> m1dnight_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[15:13] <m1dnight_> I know
[15:13] <m1dnight_> I've marked as being affected:)
[15:13] <m1dnight_> but perhaps one of the linux senseis knew a workaround
[15:27] <GridCube> theres no need for a workaround, there is a fix released
[15:32] <elfy> not released to trusty yet - still SRU
[15:33] <m1dnight_> It worked at some point, but then there was a system update and it stopped working again
[19:05] <xubuntu_> ITALY???
[19:06] <knome> xubuntu_, sorry?
[19:06] <xubuntu_> italy language????
[19:06] <knome> !it | xubuntu_
[19:31] <bgardner> ... "Why, thank you knome!" ... is what he meant to say.
[19:45] <ronaldsmazitis> somebody sees what I written in #facebook
[19:59] <holstein> ronaldsmazitis: imporoving screenlocking?
[20:05] <knome> holstein, yes, facebook is the secret gateway to make xubuntu developers work on whatever you say
[20:05] <knome> oops, now i let it slip
[20:08] <holstein> lol
[20:45] <ozbrkx> hi guys I know this make you angry but I decided to switvh back to windows. Because of the facebook and the other full of java codes based websited of couse they allways freezes and makes my all coumputer like hell.
[20:46] <ozbrkx> there is no hope to take full performance to my graphichs card (Ati Radeon HD 5800)
[20:47] <ozbrkx> because there is no such driver fot that the leatest driver which released by Ati is from 2006 or 2005 so it's posibbly six years old driver I suppose
[20:49] <ozbrkx> hang on a second it is not :/


[08:27] <RAOF> In the finest tradition of leaving something broken so you know where to start next time, all the screen copy tests now fail 🤘
[08:29] <alan_g[m]> Also a fine tradition in software development: I've just spent half an hour tracking a problem down to a cable that has been working fine for the past four years.
[11:49] <alan_g[m]> I'm there! https://xkcd.com/2797
[17:44] <alan_g[m]> Today: fixing some corner-cases of DnD


[02:54] <wingarmac> Hi there !
[02:56] <wingarmac> I've a question about bind: What's the need of 2 servers exactly (ns1 and ns2) ?
[02:57] <wingarmac> If I understand it, they should backup each other.
[02:57] <wingarmac> But what if both are on a NAT router like mine (with static public IP) ?
[02:58] <wingarmac> Would that make sence ?
[03:11] <Liver_K> *sense
[03:13] <qman> you can have as many as you want, the reason for having more is redundancy
[03:13] <qman> if you're on a single internet connection and router anyway, then it doesn't make much sense to have more than one
[03:15] <qman> (for internet-facing DNS)
[03:15] <qman> and for internal-facing, again, it depends on the needs of your network
[03:16] <qman> if nothing else on your network is redundant, then you probably don't really need redundant DNS either
[03:55] <wingarmac> Thanks qman ! So I can setup a single dns to be able to use my domain name isntaed of IP's to call computers on my network. Is that right?
[03:55] <qman> yes
[03:56] <wingarmac> I would like to have computer1.mydomain.org compputer2.my
[03:57] <wingarmac> Accessible from LAN as from WAN, with these names
[03:58] <wingarmac> For testing different network applications, like tftp, vpn, ... over www instead of testing LAN only. Since I've a fixed IP now.
[04:00] <wingarmac> I've a laptop connected with mobile data for testing as an external PC (www)
[04:01] <wingarmac> gman I wish you a good day ! cheers !
[04:04] <wingarmac> I forgot. What is the difference between nameserver and dns. I can see on easyhost.be I have in my settings a possibility to user their ns1 ns2 ns3, or setup my own. What is the difference?
[04:05] <wingarmac> Could you be so kind to explain me the difference qman ? https://ibb.co/Qkcq2kd
[04:07] <wingarmac> This is very confusing to me. I need a DNS server to use my domain name, but it seems I can use theirs. Or do I get it wrong ?
[04:08] <wingarmac> That in case DNS and nameservers mean the same
[04:13] <qman> in order for your DNS names to resolve for everyone on the internet, you need a public-facing DNS server to host your zones
[04:13] <qman> that's what using a service like theirs does for you
[04:13] <qman> for you to resolve DNS names internally but with internal IPs, you would set up your own internal DNS server with software like BIND or dnsmasq or tinydns ...
[04:14] <qman> the internet can't resolve your internal IPs, so you need different content in your zones depending on whether the request is internal or external - when you use the same zone for both, but host it in both spots with different records, this is called split horizon DNS
[04:15] <qman> the alternative approach is only using one set of records with the external IPs listed, and instead using either NAT hairpinning or ipv6 to allow internal clients to access internal resources by name
[04:23] <wingarmac> I've found more detail about the difference: A. Name servers are the physical directory itself.
[04:23] <wingarmac> B. Registered DNS are the individual entries in the directory.
[04:23] <wingarmac> Ref in french: https://kinsta.com/fr/base-de-connaissances/serveur-de-noms/
[04:25] <wingarmac> So if I would like this domain name used by each computers name reference, this is store din the DNS server. while the domain name database is on the nameserver.
[04:25] <wingarmac> I'll need a DNS server for sure
[05:04] <JanC> qman: you always *must* have at least two different authoritative DNS servers: https://www.iana.org/help/nameserver-requirements
[05:05] <wingarmac> JanC This meens also to two fixed public IPs. Am I right? Or could those be beyond the NAT router ?
[05:06] <JanC> they can be everywhere on the internet (e.g. by default they are usually at the company where you registered your domain)
[05:13] <JanC> for internal LAN stuff this doesn't apply, of course, but if you want a (sub)domain to be reachable from the internet, it is mandatory
[05:15] <JanC> you can have your primary at home & the secondary elsewhere, of course
[05:17] <wingarmac> Can you elaborate in my case, what this will imply in practice?
[05:18] <wingarmac> What will it emply for example for WAN computers in my VPN for example ?
[05:19] <wingarmac> Will these also have computer$.dromain.org names ?
[16:51] <xibalba> i loaded an old VM from Nov 2022, a template, and trying to update everything. when it connects to apt it says, Unable to connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:http:, but i see the firewall allowing traffic through. I've disabled IPv6 as the box isn't dual stakced on that network
[16:52] <xibalba> the name resolves to a v4 addr
[16:52] <xibalba> from host us.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:52] <xibalba> us.archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:52] <xibalba> us.archive.ubuntu.com has IPv6 address 2001:67c:1562::18
[16:56] <alkisg> xibalba: I've heard that ubuntu archives have issues today, so it might not be related to the VM at all; check if the issue is still ongoing
[16:56] <Odd_Bloke> I believe there's an ongoing iss-- yeah.
[16:56] <xibalba> roger roger
[16:56] <xibalba> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ <~ returned data
[16:56] <xibalba> oh hey it just started working
[16:57] <xibalba> https://status.canonical.com/ <~ all green
[16:57] <xibalba> i mean it's  68.5 kB/s, but ill take it lol
[16:57] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, it hasn't not been green, so that not an indicator.
[16:57] <xibalba> lol
[16:57] <wingarmac> Hi there ! I'm testing how I have to setup bind on Ubuntu server behind a NAT router with fixed public IP, so that my omputers listen in the A-records as pc.domain.org pc1.domain.org ... can be reach from the WAN with a responding ping
[16:57] <Odd_Bloke> It's round-robin'd, so if some of the servers are working then you might see occasional success.
[16:57] <xibalba> yeh i keep hitting kazooie each time
[16:57] <xibalba> 0% [Connecting to kazooie.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[16:57] <wingarmac> Can anyone help me understanding its working ??
[16:58] <Odd_Bloke> Likely everyone is round-robin'ing onto a single host which is therefore DDoS'd.
[16:58] <xibalba> wingarmac spin up an VM external to your network and use `host` or `dig` commands
[16:58] <xibalba> or give me your ip and i'll send 1gbit of udp to you
[17:00] <wingarmac> xibalba wingarmac.org can be reached but not the computer behind
[17:01] <wingarmac> myports are opend on the router and I've sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.enp3s0.route_localnet=1
[17:01] <wingarmac> EXTERNAL_IP=
[17:01] <wingarmac> sudo iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -d ${EXTERNAL_IP} -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:02] <xibalba> oh sorry i dont do iptables
[17:02] <wingarmac> ports opened 80 443 (I made an apache setup in SSL before, and made a clean install since)
[17:03] <effendy[m]> Why are you using local routing like that?
[17:03] <effendy[m]> how does bind run?
[17:04] <effendy[m]> Does the router run Ubuntu also?
[17:04] <wingarmac> xibalba I personaly do not I have no habit or predilection for a procedure. A few tips and explanations are enough for me.
[17:04] <wingarmac> I am a tester and an apprentice.
[17:05] <wingarmac> As a matter a fact I do not know clearly what I'm doing.
[17:05] <wingarmac> I try to reach to setup a WAN VPN Server, the maintain my private network computers over Belgium
[17:06] <wingarmac> I've a fixed public IP and a domain name to reach this goal
[17:06] <effendy[m]> You need to give more structured info if you want to get help. I asked you a few question already.
[17:06] <wingarmac> I would like to be able to reach each computer with it's pc.domain.org name instead of IPS
[17:07] <wingarmac> Why are you using local routing like that? Seen on Askubuntu
[17:08] <wingarmac> how does bind run? server pc <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:08] <wingarmac> need what specific info about ?
[17:09] <wingarmac> ISP router is the answer for the last question
[17:10] <wingarmac> I manage the server troigh webmin on my desktop on the connected bith to the ISP router
[17:10] <wingarmac> A. Ubuntu server 22.04 B. Linux Mint desktop based on Ubuntu server installation
[17:11] <wingarmac> On my server is running nmon, whil i set it up trough Webmin from my Mint desktop and the root terminal
[17:12] <effendy[m]> The only place I saw where the output chain of the nat table was used were containers. There are some other cases, of course, but you need to know exactly how it works before using it.
[17:12] <effendy[m]> the only context*
[17:13] <effendy[m]> I feel that using route_localnet is also unnecessary at first glance.
[17:13] <effendy[m]> so on the same server you're running both a vpn server and bind?
[17:14] <wingarmac> I've to try, in order to understabd all those explanations, because otherwise I do not understand what I'm reading. Sorry, it may sound stupid.
[17:16] <wingarmac> This is all lots of information to aknowledge and its not my native language. I've not been much I school. But I would like to learn more anout it my way. Is there something wrong with that ?
[17:20] <wingarmac> Let's say I'm a 12 year old passionate compuetr user trying to configure his own server. Would there be someone so nice to help? (That's my level even if I'm over 40)
[17:22] <wingarmac> For my English, same thing ;)
[17:22] <effendy[m]> "Is there something wrong with that ?" - nothing at all, I wasn't criticising you :)
[17:22] <effendy[m]> I was just saying that people need to understand your setup in order to get help at all, otherwise they might give up easily.
[17:24] <wingarmac> I can, understand, it's just I do not know where to start  myself
[17:24] <wingarmac> I know what I want
[17:24] <patdk-lap> I have never in my life used route_localnet and I do all kinds of odd networks
[17:24] <wingarmac> But not how
[17:25] <wingarmac> This route is only an idea I read on the net I've tried, its not an obligation
[17:25] <patdk-lap> oh, it lets yo uuse 127.x.x.x on your network, not a good idea
[17:26] <wingarmac> I have 2 PC I would like to use to do mainetance of other installs I made over Belgium, with the use of my domain name and fixed IP as a pinpoint.
[17:27] <patdk-lap> but what does that have to do with using 127.x.x.x on your network?
[17:27] <patdk-lap> you should not use route_localnets ever
[17:27] <wingarmac> I rather use domain names to setup new computers to my network as to remind all those IPS
[17:27] <wingarmac> How do I delete this
[17:28] <wingarmac> You meen this iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -d ${EXTERNAL_IP} -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:29] <wingarmac>  net.ipv4.conf.enp3s0.route_localnet=1
[17:29] <wingarmac> Or only the last one?
[17:31] <wingarmac> sorry it was on stack exchange : https://serverfault.com/questions/351816/dnat-to-127-0-0-1-with-iptables-destination-access-control-for-transparent-soc
[17:31] <wingarmac> serverfault I read this
[17:36] <effendy[m]> first of all, do you want your DNS to be available to everyone?
[17:38] <effendy[m]> The topic (in your link) refers to an edge case. This probably doesn't apply to you.
[17:42] <wingarmac> Do i need it to achieve the WAN VPN Sever with domainname reference to each computer?
[17:44] <effendy[m]> Let me put it another way: does the DNS need to be public? reached by anyone outside your network? Or does it need to be exclusively internal?
[17:45] <effendy[m]> And do you have two separate geographical locations then?
[17:54] <wingarmac> I did understand its needed to link the names to the computers in the NAT. I can set other A-records to public ips but not to a lan ip on WAN. How do I reach to link this computer on the WAN to my private network with my domain name (not the IP) is my question.
[17:55] <wingarmac> i want those computers being partof my private network like the others on my LAN with my domain name as reference
[17:56] <wingarmac> I do not server I need to setup to achieve this
[17:56] <effendy[m]> Yeah, I can't make head nor tail of what you're saying. Maybe someone else can understand it better than me, hopefully.
[17:56] <wingarmac> I would like to know.
[18:06] <wingarmac> effendy[m]: How can I achieve this: https://ibb.co/pRRt3Nq ?
[18:07] <wingarmac> I Would like to be able to use samba, ipxe, dlna, like I did on my lan over this wan private network
[18:08] <wingarmac> i this possible? What do I need to do so ?
[18:09] <wingarmac> I have also the FQDN registered
[18:09] <wingarmac> at easyhost.be
[18:11] <wingarmac> lets not talk about those other samba ipxe, but what do I need to setup the private network first.
[18:12] <wingarmac> so another computer on WAN could be added to my private network ones logged on.
[18:31] <samy1028> Hello all.  We have an Ubuntu Server VM on Azure that was originally pro-fips-18_04-gen2 but we used apt to upgrade it to FIPS 20.04.  When looking at Azure it still lists the "plan" as 18.04 and seems to have issues with certain automated tools in Azure.  Does anyone know how to make Azure see that this is now an Ubuntu 20.04 VM?
[18:32] <samy1028> It lists the operating system as "Linux (Ubuntu 20.04)" correctly at least.
[18:33] <gjolly> @samy1028: can you be more specific about those issues?
[18:35] <samy1028> @gjolly, I don't have the full details yet.  One of my techs was looking at the disaster recovery tools available within Azure and it seems they stopped working or being available after the upgrade.
[18:35] <samy1028> I haven't yet logged in myself, will do that this afternoon, but wanted to see if anyone had seen that type of description or experienced it before.
[18:38] <gjolly> The only thing I can think about is the IMDS metadata that the ua/pro tool uses to detect whether the VM has access to the FIPS repo.
[18:41] <gjolly> This will still show the plan/sku as being 18.04 while the VM would be running 20.04.
[18:41] <gjolly> samy1028: how did you do the upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04?
[18:42] <samy1028> after running apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade;  and verifying everything worked, I believe we then did a do-release-upgrade.
[18:43] <samy1028> I'm currently logged into Azure now also to see if I can find what my tech was talking about.
[18:44] <gjolly> samy1028: seems right
[18:45] <gjolly> samy1028: check the output of "pro status"
[18:49] <samy1028> hmm.. I have "ua" but not "pro" commands on this VM?
[18:50] <samy1028> I guess I should add the Ubuntu Pro Client in addition to the Ubuntu Advantage Client?
[18:50] <sarnold> try an apt update && apt upgrade first ?
[18:52] <samy1028> I'll have to see where we are in the schedule for updates on it.  There are some libraries that I think are still being regression tested first for the software we run on the VM.
[18:53] <samy1028> first, I'm going to try to find the particular items in Azure to make sure I fully understand and make sure the tech wasn't misinformed from the control panel.
[18:53] <samy1028> and get with my developers to see how much longer it will be to verify the regression testing.
[18:57] <Teridon> I'm not trying to be snarky here, I'm just relatively new to Ubuntu and I don't understand the process .. and I may be biased since I submitted the bug :) .  Is it typical for a "High" bug to be unassigned for 2 months?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1999164
[18:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1999164 in cloud-init "when multiple SSH host key certificates are defined, only one HostCertificate is referenced in sshd_config" [High, Confirmed]
[18:58] <Teridon> is there a separate internal tracker I just don't see ?
[19:02] <Odd_Bloke> Teridon: You might get a better answer from #cloud-init for that specific bug.
[19:34] <samy1028> gjolly, sarnold, I found the issue.  It's the kernel version and Azure only supports certain kernels for its tools and the kernel on this VM is running: linux-image-5.4.0-1022-azure-fips/focal,now 5.4.0-1022.22+fips1 amd64
[19:34] <samy1028> I ran "apt update" and then "apt list --upgradeable" but it doesn't list another version number as available.
[19:35] <sarnold> samy1028: aha! yeah, we don't get new kernels validated very often
[19:35] <sarnold> samy1028: validating updates costs a fortune..
[19:37] <samy1028> sarnold, there is this which lists the supported kernels.  https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/site-recovery/azure-to-azure-support-matrix#supported-ubuntu-kernel-versions-for-azure-virtual-machines
[19:37] <samy1028> is there a later validated FIPS version then 5.4.0-1022?
[19:42] <sarnold> samy1028: I see a 5.4.0-1101.107+fips1 package in the FIPS *update* ppa, but the update ppa isn't FIPS certified. Different organizations have different policies. Some want certified and *only* certified. Some want to start from a certified starting point and then install updates along the way, and it's fine that the updates aren't certified. Be sure to check around to find out what your
[19:42] <sarnold> organization is
[19:45] <samy1028> sarnold, thank you for the information.  I'll pass that along to management so we can come up with a better plan with this.
[19:48] <sarnold> samy1028: there's not a whole lot here, but this *is* available https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications/docs/fips-updates
[19:50] <samy1028> do you have a link to show the list of kernels in the FIPS update ppa?
[19:52] <sarnold> samy1028: curl -qs https://esm.ubuntu.com/fips-updates/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages | grep -e 'Package:.*azure.*'
[19:59] <samy1028> Hmm, after reviewing that, it seems the latest supported by the Azure tools is "Package: linux-image-5.4.0-1095-azure-fips" or possibly the 1094 version, depending on the Azure client being installed.
[20:00] <samy1028> Thank you sarnold for helping me narrow down what's happening here!
[20:26] <Liver_K> arraybolt3: Did you do anything yet?
[20:55] <arraybolt3> Liver_K: Sorry, not yet, but I still have everything up for doing it.
[20:56] <Liver_K> Cool cool, just ping me a link when you do
[20:56] <arraybolt3> (Personal life hasn't been all that cooperative lately. :P)
[21:05] <arraybolt3> Liver_K: Do you mind if I paste the whole IRC log you sent me yesterday into the bug report?
[21:06] <Liver_K> I don't, but you might want to ask the other person lol
[21:06] <arraybolt3> That makes sense.
[21:07] <Liver_K> You also might want that strace logfile, I can reupload it for you
[21:07] <Liver_K> If you want ot include it
[21:07] <Liver_K> *to
[21:07] <arraybolt3> Sure, if that's OK.
[21:07] <Liver_K> Yeah give me a sec
[21:12] <Liver_K> arraybolt3: http://0x0.st/oFZD.log
[21:18] <arraybolt3> Liver_K: By the way, what is that the strace of?
[21:18] <arraybolt3> I think it's clinfo.
[23:31] <Liver_K> arraybolt3: Yes, as Oblomov said, it's clinfo -l


[01:26] <mup> Issue operator#881 closed: Expose full metadata through `CharmMeta.raw` <Created by agathanatasha> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/881>
[01:59] <mup> Issue operator#208 closed: REQ: Access to kubernetes secrets <enhancement> <Created by tcuthbert> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/208>
[04:16] <mup> PR operator#889 opened: Use f-strings everywhere <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/889>


[01:15] <omfgitsasalmon> Hai, I'm new to networking and I'm curious about setting up a mail server with my Ubuntu server
[01:15] <omfgitsasalmon> Can anyone assist me?
[01:27] <fraq> omfgitsasalmon: in the past I have used sendmail as the MTA
[01:27] <fraq> what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[01:42] <omfgitsasalmon> fraq: my server can't send email using PHP
[01:42] <omfgitsasalmon> I tried following tutorials but none of them work. Is it because I'm hosting it on a domestic network?
[01:43] <fraq> what tutorials have you tried?
[01:43] <fraq> bear in mind, I'm no expert at this. I just built a sendmail server as part of a larder experiment
[01:43] <fraq> *larger
[01:56] <neild64> Your isp could be blocking smtp
[10:03] <Pupeno> Is ntpd running enough to have the clock adjusted? I changed the time on a machine to see it in action and I'm not seeing ntp fixing it.
[10:05] <mardraum> pastebin ntpq -p
[10:07] <Pupeno> mardraum: https://gist.github.com/pupeno/9737576
[10:07] <rbasak> Pupeno: IIRC ntpd refuses to change the time by more than a few hours by default in case that breaks things. It also slews the clock slowly; you'll need to wait a day or two to see it come into sync again anyway.
[10:08] <Pupeno> I just want to make sure it's working since I change it to bind only lo. It shouldn't stop it from working, but just in case. Is there a way for me to do it? I can't find any logs that say "hey! clock is wrong, slowly fixing it." or sosmething like that.
[10:08] <mardraum> what rbasak says is 100%. Thought from your output you don't seem to be able to reach any ntp servers.
[10:08] <mardraum> though*
[10:09] <mardraum> bind only lo why? are you expecting to NAT it out from localhost?
[10:10] <Pupeno> mardraum: I just don't want ntp to be reachable by anybody (as a server), I'm just running it to keep the clocks synced.
[10:10] <mardraum> firewall it then?
[10:11] <Pupeno> mardraum: I'll firewall it too, but I prefer to have a close configuration as well for all services.
[10:12] <Pupeno> So, apparently I have to bind it to public IPs for it to reach ntp servers.
[10:12] <Pupeno> Why is that?
[10:15] <ogra_> Pupeno, you could just run ntpdate by a cron job once a day instead ... that saves you from having to run a daemon
[10:15] <mardraum> are you expecting to NAT it from localhost?
[10:15] <Pupeno> mardraum: no.
[10:15] <mardraum> then how could it possibly route to the public internet
[10:18] <Pupeno> mardraum: I'm not familiar with the NTP protocol, maybe it has some callback mechanism I'm not aware of, but my server doesn't need to bind <IP_ADDRESS>:25 in order for it to open connections to port 25 in other servers and deliver email. I was expecting ntpd to open connections to my time servers without having to bind and listen in port 123.
[10:18] <mardraum> I'm not having a go at you. At least you didn't claim you hadn't made any changes and then fess up an hour later you made it only run on lo
[10:19] <Pupeno> I'm fine with ntp using other interfaces, I just don't want it to listen on them. The same way postfix is not listening on eth0, but it's using it to reach the Intenet.
[10:19] <mardraum> you run a MTA on localhost only that works fine sending and receiving mail?
[10:19] <mardraum> to internet hosts
[10:20] <Pupeno> mardraum: there's an MTA running listening only on <IP_ADDRESS>:25 that routes email to the internet, yes.
[10:20] <Pupeno> I meant lo, port 25.
[10:21] <mardraum> cool, you must have some translation happening
[10:21] <Pupeno> mardraum: nope.
[10:21] <mardraum> perhaps NTP just refuses to work like that. I've never tried
[10:21] <mardraum> nope?
[10:21] <mardraum> pastebin some mail logs
[10:22] <Pupeno> mardraum: you don't need to listen on port 80 to connect to port 80. My browser doesn't listen on port 80 and connects to port 80 of any server out there.
[10:22] <mardraum> I never suggested that it did?
[10:22] <mardraum> browser will always use a high port anyway, but we are off topic
[10:23] <Pupeno> Well, so does postfix.
[10:23] <mardraum> your 127 address is not valid on the internet. If it can send email to an internet host, something is translating the address.
[10:23] <Pupeno> But also, they open the port to connect, not to listen, which is different.
[10:24] <Pupeno> mardraum: no, nobody is doing NAT. You don't need to do NAT. Program X talks to postifx on <IP_ADDRESS>:25, postfix stores the email, then opens a random high port to connect to whatever:25 and delivers said email.
[10:25] <mardraum> a random high port on an interface it doesn't listen on?
[10:25] <Pupeno> mardraum: yes.
[10:25] <Pupeno> That's how TCP/IP works.
[10:25] <mardraum> TCP/IP specifies interfaces now?
[10:26] <mardraum> your postfix config would allow this to happen.
[10:26] <Pupeno> mardraum: no, TCP/IP specifies that you open a local port on a local IP to connect to a remote IP on a remote port.
[10:26] <mardraum> why you expect ntp to work the same I don't really know
[10:27] <Pupeno> mardraum: because that's how most tcp/ip clients work.
[10:27] <mardraum> guess you found the only one in the world that doesn't then?
[10:28] <Pupeno> mardraum: well, I have no proof one way or another, I will not just assume that I found an exception only because something I expected didn't happen. I need more information.
[10:56] <rbasak> lamont: any news on bug 1288823 please?
[12:42] <lamont> rbasak: let me get that uploaded
[12:45] <rbasak> lamont: thanks!
[12:59] <zul> jamespage:  when you get a chance https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/2013.1.5/+merge/212214
[13:09] <zul> jamespage:  fixed
[13:12] <jamespage> zul, +1
[13:13] <zul> jamespage:  thanks
[13:13] <zul> jamespage:  ill double check the changelogs and start uploading in a couple of minutes
[13:14] <zul> jamespage:  forgot one from friday https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/2013.1.5/+merge/212226
[13:14] <jamespage> zul, double space in changelog
[13:15] <zul> jamespage:  fixed
[13:15] <jamespage> zul, +1
[13:17] <jamespage> zul, we need to ditch the distro tasks on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1295674
[13:18] <jamespage> and just have one for Cloud-Archive
[13:31] <zul> coreycb: lemme know when you are done
[13:31] <coreycb> zul,  wil do
[13:37] <coreycb> zul, jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/cinder/2013.1.5/+merge/212217
[13:39] <zul> coreycb: -1
[13:41] <coreycb> zul, should I drop all the "pin" change logs?
[13:41] <coreycb> zul, for glance and horizon
[13:41] <zul> coreycb: the non user facing ones so like sphinx yes
[13:42] <coreycb> zul, ok
[13:43] <coreycb> zul, I also noticed the logs are in reverse order vs the tracking branches in case that makes a difference
[13:43] <zul> coreycb: ye
[13:57] <coreycb> zul, cinder is ready for re-review
[13:58] <zul> ack
[13:59] <zul> Corey:  +1 from me
[14:02] <coreycb> zul, thanks  jamespage ^
[14:02] <coreycb> zul, jamespage: glance https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/glance/2013.1.5/+merge/212423
[14:03] <zul> coreycb: i thought we were going to skip glance
[14:03] <jamespage> coreycb, skip it
[14:03] <jamespage> the upstream changes are nullified by my patch
[14:03] <coreycb> zul, jamespage: that's right, forgot about that
[14:03] <jamespage> coreycb, hey - np :)
[14:03] <coreycb> :)
[14:08] <coreycb> zul, jamespage : horizon https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/horizon/2013.1.5/+merge/212225
[14:14] <jamespage> coreycb, I think the final commit is e6a4653 not b14debc
[14:15] <coreycb> jamespage, ok that is probably the similar case for cinder too
[14:16] <coreycb> zul: ^
[14:17] <zul> coreycb: arrgh
[14:18] <coreycb> zul, jamespage : I pushed horizon again
[14:19] <zul> coreycb: ill fix up cinder
[14:19] <coreycb> zul, I'm ready to push if it's easier
[14:19] <zul> coreycb: sure
[14:19] <coreycb> zul: pushed
[14:21] <zul> coreycb: thanks
[14:28] <coreycb> jamespage, when you get a second: https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/1294140/+merge/212430
[14:36] <jamespage> coreycb, commented
[14:40] <jamespage> smb, I'm going to propose we backport the current iscsitarget to 12.04,12.10 and 13.10
[14:40] <jamespage> so we don't have todo this again for the 3.13 kernel
[14:41] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks, responded
[14:42] <smb> jamespage, Guess that works for me. So I could close my tracking bug and you can drive the other. If you have a bug number I can refer to in my report, just let me know.
[14:43] <jamespage> smb, lets just do it under bug 1262712
[14:44] <smb> jamespage, NAK, that is just plain confusing
[14:44] <jamespage> smb, why?
[14:46] <smb> jamespage, The current iscsitarget for me is <IP_ADDRESS>+svn499-0ubuntu1 orin at least 496. This is not what the original tracking bug was for. And then we got some stuff in the comments from the old request and some from the new one
[14:49] <jamespage> smb, ?
[14:49] <jamespage> I'm a bit confused
[14:50] <jamespage> the original bug for for +490 - upstream trunk (as I just uploaded to 14.04) is only 9 commits on from that
[14:51] <smb> The tracking bug was opened to push the S version of it into older releases. Now you want to push the T version. It may only be a few commits but it is a different version and to be honest for me that is a new request.
[14:58] <zul> jamespage/coreycb: cinder and horizon uploaed
[14:58] <coreycb> zul, thanks
[15:13] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/2013.1.5/+merge/212232
[15:42] <zul> jamespage:  im dealing with kazoo right now
[15:51] <raj__> Is plymouth  anyway useful on server ? i see several plymouth entries in the processes listing ..
[15:56] <jamespage> zul, ack
[15:57] <jamespage> zul, niggle on the keystone MP - other than that +1
[16:00] <rbasak> raj__: http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Plymouth_is_not_a_bootsplash/ provides a good explanation of why plymouth is also useful for server.
[16:17] <railsraider> Hi im trying to make upstart pre-stop stanza to sleep for x seconds before sending the sigkill but it seems that upstart doesnt accept it and kill imiddiately
[16:17] <railsraider> http://pastebin.com/2ruUqdav
[16:18] <railsraider> any idea how to wait before upstart do sigkill
[16:18] <zul> jamespage:  fixed
[16:21] <jodh> railsraider: 'kill timeout SECONDS' - see init(5).
[16:21] <railsraider> i tried that
[16:24] <jamespage> zul, +1
[16:25] <zul> jamespage:  well need the new oslo.rootwrap as well (#1081795)
[16:26] <rbasak> railsraider: looks like your problem is "exec". What's inside a "... script" stanza in an upstart job is just normal shell.
[16:26] <railsraider> seems like upstart ignores my sleep command and the kill timeout is how long to wait after sigterm to send sigkill
[16:26] <rbasak> railsraider: in shell, lines after a successful "exec" will never execute.
[16:27] <rbasak> railsraider: I don't know why you had "exec" there, in the first place, but try dropping it.
[16:27] <railsraider> rbasak: i have to make sure the processes exit gracefully how would i achive that
[16:28] <railsraider> thanks im trying that now
[16:31] <railsraider> rbasak: thanks so much worked on this all day i simply copy pasted the line from the script section
[16:31] <railsraider> it works now
[17:12] <jamespage> hallyn, seeing some lxc oddness in the OpenStack CI lab - "lxc-start: command get_cgroup failed to receive response"
[17:12] <jamespage> that's coming from lxc machines that juju is trying to start on one of the servers
[17:14] <hallyn> jamespage: do you have any more info from syslog, auth.log, or a container.log?
[17:16] <jamespage> hallyn, syslog, auth.log - nothing
[17:16] <jamespage> where do I find container.log?
[17:19] <vlad_starkov> QUESTION (cross-post): Can't boot on freshly installed 12.04.4 64bit. Got multiple CPU soft lockup messages. Could someone point me how to boot in verbose/debug mode to figure out what's going on?
[17:21] <rbasak> !crosspost|vlad_starkov
[17:23] <vlad_starkov> rbasak: Yep. For that I market question as "cross-post"
[17:24] <hallyn> jamespage: you can check /var/log/lxc/ ..  it depends where juju is directing it to put them
[17:24] <hallyn> jamespage: can you try createing and starting a contaienr by hand, see if htat fails too?
[17:25] <jamespage> hallyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7147289/
[17:27] <hallyn> jamespage: oh, i think that's a knwon bug in apparmor today.  tyhicks was assigned one
[17:27] <jamespage> hallyn, OK  - so long as someone knows :-)
[17:27] <hallyn> probably bug 1296459
[17:27] <jamespage> hallyn, that is latest everything
[17:27] <hallyn> jamespage: yeah try downgrading apparmor
[17:31] <jdstrand> hallyn, jamespage: fyi, tyhicks is assigned and knows the cause. he is working on a fix now
[17:31] <jamespage> ack
[17:32] <hallyn> cool, thx
[17:51] <hazmat> do nested containers need trusty kernel?
[17:53] <lutostag> hazmat: you can do nested lxcs pre-trusty with root
[17:57] <lutostag> just add lxc.aa_profile = lxc-container-default-with-nesting to your /var/lib/lxc/<top-level container name>/config
[17:58] <hazmat> lutostag, thank you
[18:01] <lutostag> hazmat: np :)
[18:22] <zul> hallyn/smb: libvirt xl fails to start because there wasnt a /var/log/libvirt/libxl/libxl-driver.log btw
[18:37] <hallyn> zul: meaning if the .log file doesn't exist, libvirt xl won't start?  it opens without O_CREAT ?
[18:48] <zul> hallyn:  yeah the directory is missing from the libvirt-bin.dirs
[19:03] <hallyn> zul: pushing a new package to fix that?
[19:04] <zul> hallyn:  yeah
[19:04] <zul> hallyn:  do you have anything else?
[19:10] <zul> smb: do you have any documentation on libvirt and xl?
[19:17] <hallyn> zul: oh, sorry, no i don't
[19:17] <zul> hallyn:  ack
[19:18] <zul> hallyn:  ok uploaded
[19:39] <adar> hi. do you know anyone know a good tutorial about security nginx ??
[22:07] <sarnold> hallyn: congratulations on core-dev :)
[22:09] <thumper> hallyn: when I run 'lxc-start', does that immediately put the container into STARTING mode?
[22:11] <thumper> I have an "lxc-wait -n ubuntu-local-machine-1 -s RUNNING|STOPPED" running after the lxc-start and it returns immediately
[22:11] <thumper> and lxc-info says stopped
[22:11] <thumper> but 8s later, it is started
[22:22] <Valduare> hi all
[22:39] <Valduare> whats the word on using these arm devices for bare metal servers in maas
[22:42] <sarnold> Valduare: I'd say "no" to pandaboards, my personal pandaboard hangs often; they fell over often when we used them for builders, too
[22:43] <sarnold> Valduare: I hope you're talking about real servers though :) I suspect they'd be quite a lot nicer.
[22:43] <Valduare> I havnt used a panda board myself
[22:43] <Valduare> I have a few mk808 devices that have been real solid
[22:44] <Valduare> but these mk902 have rj45 and quad core
[22:45] <Valduare> sarnold: anyways just wondering if I can get them under maas to play with
[22:46] <sarnold> Valduare: try asking in #maas -- the little I've played with it, it looks pretty flexible, if you can figure some way to remotely power them on and off..
[22:47] <Valduare> half a watt idle, they could stay on :P
[22:47] <sarnold> niiiiice
[23:15] <hallyn> thumper: yes, lxc calls it started when init has started
[23:16] <hallyn> thumper: you're probably interested in bug 1266808.
[23:44] <blottoface> I did an aptitude install mediawiki and uncommented out the Alias line in /etc/mediawiki/apache.conf.  Then I did a a2enconf mediawiki.  Then I restarted apache2 services.  It complains about permissions when I try and visit the site.  :(  The www-data user and group has read permissions.  The error in the log says "client denied by server configuration"
[23:46] <Valduare> #maas is dead channel tonight..
[23:48] <Rallyball> My pc won't read my flashdrives but the system will recognize it, anybody know why?
[23:50] <sarnold> blottoface: that could be the server configured to deny or not allow based on IP address, or any other number of reasons.. it'd be nice if it could tell you -why- it was denied...
[23:51] <sarnold> Rallyball: perhaps they are formatted with a filesystem your kernel can't read?
[23:51] <Rallyball> Yes, that's probably it, thanks.
[23:52] <Rallyball> Do most flashdrives load a default file system depending on the OS?
[23:52] <Rallyball> Or is there something I have to do to load them from the pc?
[23:53] <Rallyball> In other words, are most flash drives compatible with Linux?
[23:53] <sarnold> Rallyball: most flash drives come formatted with vfat, because it is the only filesystem that mac os x and windows have in common
[23:54] <sarnold> (vfat more or less equals fat32..)
[23:54] <Rallyball> That makes sense.
[23:54] <Rallyball> How do I format it to accept linux files?
[23:54] <sarnold> Rallyball: mke2fs on the /dev/whatever block file
[23:55] <Rallyball> Ok, thanks.
[23:55] <sarnold> Rallyball: if it is partitioned you may wish to change the filesystem type tag in the partition table using fdisk or gdisk
[23:56] <Rallyball> Yes but I will need to dump the data first.


[00:43] <akgraner> nigelb, you around?
[00:44] <duanedesign> congrats akgraner on Community Council
[00:45] <akgraner> duanedesign, hey! thanks!
[00:46] <akgraner> how are you - I haven't had a change to talk to you very often these days - hope all is well with you
[00:46] <duanedesign> akgraner: hard to think of someone better suited. I know you eill do awesome
[00:46] <akgraner> thanks!
[00:46] <duanedesign> akgraner: been very busy getting settled in at Canonical
[00:47] <akgraner> how'd I miss this announcement
[00:47] <akgraner> congrats - what are you doing?
[00:47] <duanedesign> akgraner: helping users with Ubuntu One
[00:48] <akgraner> oh cool!  Help me :-)
[00:48] <akgraner> I'm still not the most effective Ubuntu One user
[00:48] <duanedesign> when you contact Ubuntun ONe for support, thats me :)
[00:48] <akgraner> and have no clue how to be a power Ubuntu One user
[00:48] <duanedesign> akgraner: the service has been a little overwhelmed the last week. Looks like things are improving
[00:48] <akgraner> that's great!  I'm super excited for you!
[00:50] <duanedesign> akgraner: The number of new users always exceeds the estimates
[00:50] <duanedesign> which i guess is good
[00:50] <akgraner> When did you start...sorry I missed the announcement?
[00:50] <duanedesign> been about 3 months
[00:50] <duanedesign> but I have been helping with Ubuntu One as a community member for a couple years
[00:51] <duanedesign> thanks akgraner
[00:51] <akgraner> oh cool
[00:51] <akgraner> hey will you be at UDS?
[00:51] <akgraner> b/c I will so bug you to help me with a few questions I have :-)
[00:51] <duanedesign> yes i will. Excited to get back to Florida it was a nice venue
[00:52] <akgraner> totally - ok I will have my list of "why can't I figure this out" ready to go so I won't waste your time
[00:52] <duanedesign> definitely anytime
[00:53] <akgraner> Thanks!
[00:53] <akgraner> Congrats! and Thank you for being willing to help my Ubuntu One challenged self...
[00:54] <duanedesign> i look forward to it :)
[01:39] <cprofitt> I am always willing to help as well
[01:39] <cprofitt> :-)
[01:40] <akgraner> cprofitt, awesome I'll add you too :-)
[01:47] <cprofitt> cool
[01:47] <cprofitt> I am starting to migrate my mind to UDS now...
[01:47] <cprofitt> so much stuff filled my October so far that I had not really thought much about it
[01:49] <akgraner> cprofitt, I am not sure I have a mind left to migrate anything too :-)
[01:49]  * akgraner is going to relax for a day then work on 1) finding my mind 2) shifting into UDS mode
[01:50] <cprofitt> lol
[01:50] <akgraner> nah I'm pretty excited
[01:50] <cprofitt> we just go through first den meeting, 6th grade play and popcorn selling
[01:50] <cprofitt> My son fell short on the military donations, but did well
[01:51] <akgraner> gotta luv Boy Scout popcorn
[01:51] <cprofitt> I have been excited about UDS since getting the notice about sponsorship
[01:51] <akgraner> I can't show my excitement around my house  - I'll get locked out of the house - so I gotta be cool about it
[01:52] <cprofitt> lol
[01:52] <cprofitt> I am oft criticized for not showing excitement
[01:52] <cprofitt> :-)
[01:52] <akgraner> maybe Pete and I should do a talk - "So you think you want your family member to be involved in Ubuntu?"
[01:53] <cprofitt> that would be an interesting talk
[01:53] <cprofitt> I think my wife, as I am, hopes that this will result in my being able to do something other than what I do now
[01:53] <cprofitt> I am good at what I do, it is easy, the job is decent... but it is boring
[01:54] <cprofitt> I just feel my IT skills rusting... except doing extra stuff outside
[01:54] <akgraner> cprofitt, we would have to have a not safe for work warning if Pete and I ever gave a talk together
[01:54] <cprofitt> lol
[01:54] <cprofitt> I can imagine
[01:54] <cprofitt> I need to get to know Pete a bit better this UDS
[01:55] <cprofitt> to be honest I also feel like giving back to Ubuntu makes a difference in the world... work doesn't rally provide that
[01:55] <cprofitt> which is odd considering I work for a school
[01:55] <akgraner> good look - he's a hard bird to pin down :-) (but contrary to popular belief he is a nice guy - just straight and to the point and doesn't do small talk well)
[01:56] <cprofitt> sounds a bit like me when I am focused
[01:57] <cprofitt> I have often been blamed for being all work focused and no focus on social stuff
[01:57] <akgraner> totally agree  - with the giving back part :-)  I think that's why I like working on Ubuntu - the doctor who did my compensation and pension exam at VA asks what I write about - and said Linux and she said you mean like Ubuntu
[01:57] <cprofitt> He was busy, busy at UDS-N
[01:57] <akgraner> I said yes - she said - I know that
[01:57]  * cprofitt nods
[01:58] <cprofitt> That is why I go to educational conferences and talk about or teach open source too... I want it to make a difference
[01:58] <akgraner> so I reached in my bag - and gave her a CD, a pen, some stickers and an extra copy of an Ubuntu User Magazine I had in there for some reason
[01:58] <cprofitt> if teachers know about the options they may not be so tied to Apple and Microsoft and other software vendors that are far worse
[01:58] <cprofitt> that is cool.
[01:59] <akgraner> cprofitt, I think everyone who uses and contributes (in anyway) to Ubuntu makes a difference
[01:59] <cprofitt> I have converted 10 folks since 11-4-2010
[01:59] <akgraner> some more than others but we all make a difference - and if we add all our efforts up together then we really see the world begin to change
[01:59] <cprofitt> I agree... and it is great to feel you are making a difference
[02:00] <cprofitt> at my job I feel like I am too often ignored or not allowed to have an impact
[02:00] <cprofitt> they just want us to follow their orders
[02:00] <cprofitt> and at times they do not understand that technical details
[02:00] <cprofitt> I know they mean well... they want the best
[02:00] <cprofitt> but they often make decisions based on less than full facts
[02:01] <akgraner> someone told me, "Amber, I don't think what I do matters or makes a difference. I don't see it."  I said , "Have you ever seen a glacier move? No?  but guess what they move miles and make a big difference"
[02:01] <cprofitt> I also know I do not have some bits that they have... but I wish I could at least given them the ones I have
[02:01] <cprofitt> good point... I hope my work at school is at least glacial in nature
[02:01] <cprofitt> :-)
[02:02] <akgraner> cprofitt, you have some great ideas and I have yet to talk to you or interact with you where I don't walk away from it feeling a little more energized about something
[02:02]  * cprofitt blushes
[02:02] <cprofitt> wow... thanks for telling me that
[02:03] <cprofitt> I would have to say the same about you...
[02:03] <akgraner> I mean it - I'm not good at blowing rainbows and roses up someone's 4th point of contact
[02:03] <cprofitt> you always give me a different angle to think about things from
[02:03] <cprofitt> lol
[02:03] <cprofitt> me as well...
[02:03] <cprofitt> and I would never think you would blow smoke
[02:03] <cprofitt> I view you as rather direct as well
[02:03] <cprofitt> and doubt you suffer fools
[02:04] <cprofitt> that is another thing I like about the Ubuntu community... I feel surrounded by really dedicated intelligent people
[02:04] <akgraner> I try - but I speak in metaphors when I should just say things outright sometimes
[02:05] <akgraner> b/c I like metaphors :-)
[02:05] <akgraner> cprofitt, yep - I don't know many people who are in this who aren't dedicated
[02:05] <cprofitt> I like them as well... and often use them
[02:05] <cprofitt> I think metaphors can be direct...
[02:05] <cprofitt> :-)
[02:06] <akgraner> often we get tired, or confused, or unsure of our next step - but that's where other team members come in, and help each other out
[02:06] <akgraner> and that is awesome!
[02:06]  * cprofitt nods
[02:07] <akgraner> we get angry, we vent, we work it, or not, but in the end it all works out and move out, draw fire, get it done!
[02:07] <cprofitt> yep
[02:07] <cprofitt> I am lucky I have not see too much of the angry parts
[02:07] <akgraner> well I gotta run- cprofitt thanks for the chat - catch you soon!  Have a great night!
[02:08] <cprofitt> sounds good... have a great one
[03:28] <nigelb> akgraner: heya
[06:27] <jono> hey folks
[06:27] <jono> just a quick note, the survey is now released: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-results/
[06:31] <jussi> jono: ooh, thanks
[06:33] <jono> :-)
[06:33] <jono> bed for me
[06:33] <jono> night all!
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <nigelb> Morning!
[07:08] <nigelb> Good weekend?
[07:12] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:12] <dholbach> yeah, how was yours? what did you do?
[07:12] <nigelb> Mine was mostly boring :)
[07:12] <nigelb> But the week should be interesting.
[07:13] <nigelb> Its a holiday/festival week.
[07:13] <dholbach> oh yeah? which one?
[07:13] <nigelb> Diwali
[07:13] <dholbach> nice
[07:14] <dholbach> it's time I get back to India again :)
[07:14] <nigelb> hehe, definitely :)
[09:16] <popey> Good morning.
[09:18] <popey> bkerensa: i suspect your friend may have an EFI laptop and there's nothing wrong with that. I doubt they have secure boot given it has windows 7 on it
[11:33] <dholbach> dpm, I'm just summarising the report I did about ubuntu-dev docs/outreach - there are quite a few answers about app dev as well - I'll give you the suggestions later on
[11:38] <dpm> dholbach, ah, cool, thanks!
[13:00] <jcastro> dholbach: hey did you look through the survey results
[13:05] <nigelb> Mornin jcastro
[13:05] <nigelb> dpm: Hows Orlando?
[13:05] <nigelb> (are you already there?)
[13:06] <jcastro> hi nigel
[13:06] <nigelb> One week to go! :)
[13:06] <dpm> nigelb, not yet, I'll start preparing the red carpet on Wednesday :)
[13:06] <nigelb> dpm: hehe
[13:06] <nigelb> dpm: Don't bother, I won't be there this time :P
[13:06] <jcastro> "the "talkers", that are people that keep talking and talking and
[13:06] <jcastro> causing trouble just to gain some exposure, but they do nothing besides wasting
[13:06] <jcastro> time of the people that are actually doing something"
[13:06] <jcastro> I love this survey
[13:07] <dpm> nigelb, oh, in that case I won't book the limo, either ;)
[13:07] <nigelb> jcastro: I love what they talk about infrastructure
[13:07] <nigelb> Despite all of launchpad and bzr's faults, people love it.
[13:08] <jcastro> " things can move frustratingly slowly. I've been trying to get Sugar integraed intoUbuntu for over 2 years now... no one gives me a reason why not, and no one gives a
[13:08] <jcastro> go ahead"
[13:08] <jcastro> things like this we need more JFDI
[13:08] <nigelb> jcastro: Hey, do you I talk to about the UDS feedback?
[13:08] <nigelb> I want to get the summit stuff in this time as well.
[13:08] <jcastro> I saw a summit session on the schedule
[13:09] <nigelb> jcastro: I meant, the UDS survey.
[13:09] <jcastro> oh
[13:09] <jcastro> that's michelle
[13:09] <nigelb> aha, I'll email her.
[13:10] <jcastro> hahaha
[13:10] <jcastro> someone's response
[13:10] <jcastro> to what's broken in ubuntu, is
[13:10] <jcastro> "some people"
[13:10] <jcastro> that's awesome
[13:11] <nigelb> hehe
[13:11] <nigelb> It is true :D
[13:13] <jcastro> • Calling free software people "gnutards"
[13:14] <jcastro> dholbach: was that you? :)
[13:14] <popey> i have never heard that phrase
[13:14] <jcastro> yes, the proper word is Freetard I believe
[13:14] <popey> indeed
[13:15] <nigelb> Well, its not linux, its GNU/Linux.
[13:15] <nigelb> So, its not Freetard, its gnutard :P
[13:15] <popey> shush
[13:15] <jcastro> Some people of the Desktop Team, who only care about what they're paid for(i.e.gnome, and main). Their idea of handling a transition is somehow interesting
[13:15] <jcastro> (update main packages, and let universe rot because ""they don't have enough
[13:15] <jcastro> manpower"
[13:16] <nigelb> Hey, barry did a python transition day.
[13:16] <nigelb> And alison and colin had something for perl.
[13:19] <dholbach> jcastro, yep, I had a look this morning, but didn't review everything, I skimmed through pages 1-28 only :)
[13:21] <jcastro> "Does not appear that the community at large is on board with the goal/vision ofgetting Ubuntu into the mainstream"
[13:21] <jcastro> heh
[13:23] <jcastro> Weekends when IRC is dead, because all the Canonical employees are at home, andthere's not that many community members filling the gap."
[13:23] <jcastro> I am guilty there
[13:23] <jcastro> probably because I don't like IRC though
[13:24] <jcastro> oh this one is interesting
[13:25] <jcastro> "As a Canonical employee, I tend to often agree a lot with community members and
[13:25] <jcastro> how they feel about things.  But I don't feel like I can say anything in support of their
[13:25] <jcastro> concerns, because it would be a career limiting move to be in dissent with what the
[13:25] <jcastro> design/dx teams want to do.  So I end up saying nothing and just focusing on my
[13:25] <jcastro> work.  (That's kind of a downer too.)  I imagine others I work with are in a similar
[13:25] <jcastro> boat.  The net effect is that important feedback never makes it up the chain, and"
[13:25] <jcastro> "decisions get firmed up on insufficient data, and management ends up getting
[13:25] <jcastro> blindsided by widespread complaints when the thing becomes public; they stick to
[13:25] <jcastro> their guns (since it's hard to change at that point), resulting in more community
[13:25] <jcastro> strife, which further lessens internal feedback, and the problem just snowballs."
[13:28] <nigelb> Nice find.
[13:31] <jcastro> heh nice
[13:31] <jcastro> "Within the forum community, there is an overabundance of negativity. The forumneeds to be injected with a lot of positive energy. Good projects for the forum
[13:31] <jcastro> community to sink their teeth into, positive energy that will help members think and
[13:31] <jcastro> talk about Ubuntu in positive ways. The current nvironment favors negativity due to
[13:31] <jcastro> a largely laissez faire attitude by the forum council, the community council, and Canonical."
[13:31] <jcastro> yeah the forums have become pretty much not very fun to participate in
[13:39] <jcastro> omg
[13:39] <jcastro> I'm in the survey!
[13:40] <jcastro> "It was awesome when Jono, Daniel, and Jorge were really connected to thecommunity aspect back in the day and not just a group of people pushing for Unity this and Unity that."
[13:40] <jcastro> dholbach: hah!
[13:40] <nigelb> Neat.
[13:40] <nigelb> jcastro: heh
[13:41] <popey> fair point
[13:41] <jcastro> :( I've been doing more community user support the past 6 months than my whole 4 years combined.
[13:42] <nigelb> jcastro: They are not talking about user support there.
[13:43] <dholbach> did I push unity somewhere? :)
[13:43] <nigelb> I'm pretty you 3 aren't "that group" :)
[13:44] <jcastro> heh there appears to be one employee who thinks everyone hates him or something
[13:50]  * popey comforts Daviey
[13:51] <jcastro> heh
[13:54]  * AlanBell adds to the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImagesRollout
[13:55] <jcastro> "• Unsubscribe trolls from ubuntu-users faster."
[13:55] <jcastro> there you go popey
[13:55] <jcastro> I have found your calling
[13:59] <popey> :D
[14:05] <jcastro> popey: It would be awesome to do a joke about this
[14:05] <jcastro> like a blog post
[14:05] <jcastro> "due to the amount of beurocracy the project has to deal with, the CC has assigned popey discretionary shut down powers."
[14:05] <Pendulum> jcastro: that's not a calling for popey, that's a fulltime job
[14:08] <nigelb> heh
[14:08] <popey> I hate you all.
[14:09] <jcastro> don't hate, that would be so awesome!
[14:09] <nigelb> popey: We love you too :)
[14:12] <jcastro> dholbach: dpm: when do you guys get to Florida?
[14:15] <sense> jcastro: I have to say, it is good that there is someone like you to push the new technologies. They are cool, they need a chance, but without someone pushing for Unity this and Unity that, no one would look at it at all!
[14:16] <jcastro> well
[14:16] <jcastro> I think people think that we have huge resources for this sort of thing
[14:16] <jcastro> like this guy on jono's blog
[14:17] <jcastro> "No offense, but Ubuntu is the single most widely used distro, and with a development base as wide as Canonical's, they have the man power to both see these changes happening in Gnome, and then fix the ones they don't agree with."
[14:17] <jcastro> which is of course, the total opposite
[14:17] <sense> If you want to have people on top of everything, you will need quite to cancel quite a few ISS trips to pay for it.
[14:18] <jcastro> even if we had double the budget
[14:18] <jcastro> double the people
[14:18] <jcastro> we would still be overwhelmed with work
[14:18] <jcastro> that's just the nature of the beast
[14:18] <sense> Yes, you can't do everything. Frankly, I'm amazed with how much everyone gets done with the complexity that the many communities provide.
[14:18] <sense> I mean, it's a mess!
[14:19] <sense> Like EU politics.
[14:23] <jcastro> let's not get crazy
[14:24] <dpm> jcastro, I get there on Wednesday evening
[14:27] <jcastro> dpm: cool, I'll be there tomorrow
[14:28] <dpm> awesome
[14:30] <dholbach> jcastro, Sunday evening
[14:30] <jcastro> oh nice!
[14:32] <cprofitt> hey jcastro
[14:33] <jcastro> yo
[14:36] <cprofitt> that was some survey... the free form answers take some reading
[14:37] <akgraner> holy crap
[14:37] <akgraner> I never finished the survey or submitted the results yet my answers are in there
[14:37] <cprofitt> a great many pokes at community leaders...
[14:38] <cprofitt> a lot of 'bitter' in some of the responses
[14:38] <cprofitt> there are some 'kernels' of ideas in there that may have some value though
[14:38] <cprofitt> hey akgraner
[14:39] <akgraner> cprofitt, hey
[14:39] <mhall119> cprofitt: that'll be the trick, separating the wheat from the chaff
[14:40] <akgraner> yeah but how'd that happen - I mean I *never* submitted them and I never finished the survey, but those are my free form answers...grrrr
[14:40] <dpm> jcastro, in summit, is it possible to make a session appear in two tracks? I.e. I've got a blueprint that's "app developer community growth", which I'll put in the community track, but I'm wondering if it would make sense for it to be in the "consumer" track as well
[14:40] <mhall119> dpm: it is "possible"
[14:40] <mhall119> but I don't think you'd really get any benefit
[14:41] <dpm> as in "possible but break summit at your own risk"?
[14:42] <cprofitt> lol
[14:42] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, pretty much
[14:42] <cprofitt> that is a good description
[14:43] <cprofitt> mhall119: I want to try to spend some time with you if possible understanding both loco-directory and summit
[14:43] <cprofitt> so perhaps I can help in the future
[14:43] <cprofitt> I hope we can clear a bit of time for it at UDS
[14:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: sure, on IRC or in-person?
[14:43] <dpm> mhall119, no worries. It's good to know :) In any case, I've just been told that the "consumer" track should be ignored. But thanks anyway
[14:43] <cprofitt> in person -- I will be down there
[14:43] <mhall119> dpm: I wouldn't say that too loudly
[14:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: cool
[14:45] <dpm> mhall119, I didn't mean it in a negative sense :), I've just been told that the "consumer" track is not associated with Ubuntu or Linaro rooms, so I should ignore it for now
[14:49] <jcastro> I don't even know what the consumer track is for
[14:49] <dpm> I thought it was for "consumer software", but apparently it isn't
[14:50] <mhall119> jcastro: did you see my email about selecting rooms for the summit schedule?
[14:50] <mhall119> dpm: that's just the way rumors get started ;)
[14:51] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, looks awesome
[14:51] <jcastro> mhall119: I talked to sean about it in Boston, so I explained how you were going to do it already to him
[14:51] <jcastro> even though you hadn't done it yet
[14:51] <mhall119> cool
[14:51] <jcastro> this way he can customize each screen for that section of the venue
[14:55] <jcastro> does anyone have the guidebook handy?
[14:55] <jcastro> I've published an update
[14:55] <jcastro> and need someone to make sure it gets pushed out
[14:55] <jcastro> (doesn't have to be now, sometime today would be great though)
[14:57] <akgraner> jcastro, I can snag my phone if someone else hasn't
[14:58] <jcastro> Yeah, just whenevs
[14:58] <jcastro> it works on mine but I am hearing reports of it not syncing for some people, etc.
[14:58] <jcastro> so I want to just double check
[14:59] <akgraner> ok phone is rebooting one sec
[15:01] <akgraner> what am I looking for
[15:01] <jcastro> do you have guidebook?
[15:01] <akgraner> yes
[15:02] <akgraner> i'm looking at the schedule
[15:02] <jcastro> ok
[15:02] <jcastro> yeah so basically just spot check it
[15:02] <cprofitt> I got an update for it... but looks good jcastro
[15:03] <akgraner> mine updated as well when I clicked on it
[15:03] <jcastro> awesome, perfect
[15:03] <jcastro> this guidebook stuff is pretty awesome, I am glad we have it
[15:03] <akgraner> are there supposed to be Ubuntu Community sessions showing up after the opening keynotes
[15:04] <jcastro> are they on the normal schedule?
[15:04]  * akgraner looks
[15:05] <jcastro> looks missing to me
[15:05] <jcastro> a bunch look missing to me
[15:05] <akgraner> well that answers my question :-) - there are still a lot of open slots
[15:07]  * jcastro will mail guidebook now
[15:11] <jcastro> mhall119: hey before I mail these guys
[15:11] <jcastro> how can I check that the ical is working on summit?
[15:13] <nigelb> heh, nice post by Jeff Atwood.
[15:15] <mhall119> jcastro: load it in a calendar program, or download it and view it yourself
[15:15] <mhall119> jcastro: I have it in thunderbird, it's showing more sessions there than in Guidebook last time I checked
[15:16] <jcastro> mhall119: ok let me start over
[15:16] <jcastro> mhall119: hey, I'm a moron, where's the ical feed?
[15:17] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p.ical
[15:17] <jcastro> TA!
[15:17] <mhall119> np
[15:17] <mhall119> did you give them a personal ical feed or something?
[15:18] <jcastro> I don't think so
[15:18] <mhall119> maybe a track feed?
[15:23] <jcastro> aha!
[15:23] <jcastro> our ical feed isn't validating
[15:23] <jcastro> (I also sent them a mail)
[15:26] <cprofitt> morning jono
[15:26] <cprofitt> morning ara
[15:26] <cprofitt> oops... quit message... not join
[15:26] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:26] <jono> hey cprofitt
[15:26]  * cprofitt slaps head
[15:26] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:27] <akgraner> jono - thanks for getting the survey results out - that was *a lot* of information to compile!
[15:27] <jono> akgraner, thanks! yeah, it basically sucked up my entire weekend
[15:27] <jono> but I feel it was worth it
[15:27] <cprofitt> yes, thanks jono. I am still parsing the raw comments
[15:27] <jono> provides some good content for the leadership mini-conf
[15:28] <jono> I am registering other sessions to discuss those topics today
[15:28] <jono> dpm, about set?
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: isn't validating? what does that mean?
[15:31] <jcastro> I put it in an ical validator and I get an error
[15:31] <mhall119> oh?
[15:31] <jcastro> though that can't be it, otherwise it wouldn't work in other tools
[15:31] <mhall119> other tools may be more forgiving
[15:31] <jcastro> http://severinghaus.org/projects/icv/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-p.ical
[15:31] <mhall119> what was the error?
[15:32] <nigelb> We break the spec slightly.
[15:32] <nigelb> BUt its allowed breakage.
[15:32] <jcastro> well I asked them to look into it
[15:32] <jcastro> I am just pointing it out
[15:32] <nigelb> Aha.
[15:32] <nigelb> It should be X-Etherpad
[15:32] <mhall119> oh, looks like multi-line description is the problem?
[15:32] <jcastro> their thing worked before, I suspect someone zigged instead of zagged
[15:33] <jcastro> who added the multi line description?
[15:33] <jcastro> please say popey
[15:33] <nigelb> linaro?
[15:33] <mhall119> description importing is something new this cycle
[15:33] <nigelb> mhall119: wait, what are you talking about newline?
[15:33] <nigelb> Cause: Caused by: Illegal property [ETHERPAD @ HTTP]
[15:36] <mhall119> nigelb: nigelb Etherpad isn't one of our properties, that line is part of the Description
[15:36] <nigelb> mhall119: Ah. Ew.
[15:36] <mhall119> but, because it's on it's own line and doesn't start with a space, it's not following the ical spec
[15:36] <nigelb> So, we need to do a replace.
[15:37] <mhall119> jcastro: please file a bug and I'll work up a fix
[15:37] <jcastro> k
[15:37] <nigelb> let me see if I can spare some time.
[15:37] <nigelb> I need to be up late to restart some services anyway.
[15:42] <mhall119> nigelb: I have a fix already
[15:42] <nigelb> mhall119: Damn, you're fast :)
[15:42] <nigelb> I can review at least :)
[15:47] <jcastro> ok guidebook guys are checking it now
[15:47] <jcastro> <--- lunchin' bbl
[15:58] <jono> mhall119, loved your blog post btw :-)
[15:59] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston did you register a BP does loco.ubuntu.com topics for UDS?
[16:01] <nigelb> jono: He did
[16:01] <nigelb> jono: its called LTP I think
[16:01] <nigelb> jono: do you want a link to it?
[16:01] <jono> nigelb, awesome
[16:01] <nigelb> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ltp
[16:02] <mhall119> nigelb: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/ical-safe-description/+merge/80232
[16:02] <mhall119> james_w: ^^
[16:03] <jono> awesome
[16:05] <akgraner> jono - have you seen all the work being done by a handful of people on BuildingCommunity - it's pretty cool - also the list for Leadership Summit Topics is growing woot woot!
[16:05] <jono> akgraner, indeed :-)
[16:06] <sense> LOL Someone in the survey is demotivated by "The vibrant community'. :D
[16:06] <jono> sense, :-)
[16:06] <jono> I hate vibrant communities
[16:06] <akgraner> yeah they hurt my eyes - maybe we should all wear sunglasses while participating
[16:06] <akgraner> :-P
[16:07] <jono> haha
[16:07] <akgraner> there are some really interesting answers in there
[16:08] <maco> im amused by the "Kubuntu" answer to the best bit of canonical interaction with the community
[16:08] <maco> particularly since kubuntu's kind off in its own little corner
[16:08] <maco> riddell likes the answer a page down that names him :P
[16:09] <jono> jcastro, can you do me a favor?
[16:09] <jono> and register our community track roundtables
[16:09] <jono> first session of each day
[16:09] <akgraner> nigelb, guess what - you know those python scripts I was having troubles with and had to have you run for me - guess who figured them out :-)
[16:10] <nigelb> akgraner: You did.
[16:10] <nigelb> :D
[16:10]  * akgraner was giddy with excitement about them.....
[16:10] <akgraner> now if I can just learn to write my own....
[16:11] <dholbach> ok, I'm done with my own survey now
[16:12] <dholbach> all answers reviewed and codified
[16:12] <dholbach> tomorrow I'll write up the summaries and get it out
[16:12] <dholbach> lots of great suggestions
[16:13] <dholbach> some were a bit less practical though
[16:13] <dholbach> as an answer how we could make Ubuntu development easier, more understandable and more exciting, somebody suggested "more sex" - I hope everybody will excuse my lack of accuracy since I listed it under N/A
[16:15] <jono> dholbach, awesome :-)
[16:15] <dholbach> jono, I was sure you'd agree with "more sex"
[16:16] <jono> dholbach, with dholbach, of course
[16:16] <jono> lol
[16:16] <jono> ok...that was creepy :-)
[16:16] <dholbach> maybe I'll list it under "out of scope" instead
[16:16] <dholbach> just to see how many take the time to read the whole report ;-)
[16:16] <jono> haha
[16:17] <jono> dholbach, I am going to publish the accomplishments work this week too
[16:17] <jono> I registered a UDS session so we can discuss it
[16:18] <jono> I think it fits neatly into the recognizing contributions category of discussion
[16:18] <dholbach> let's talk about it in our call in 12m?
[16:22] <mhall119> jcastro: please let Guidebook know that a fix is in the works
[16:25] <mhall119> nigelb: would you mind forcing tarmac to do it's magic on summit?
[16:30] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[16:30] <dholbach> yep
[16:30] <dholbach> are we going to hang out?
[16:30] <jono> firing up the hangout
[16:30] <dholbach> alright
[16:32] <akgraner> jcastro - how's this for a lightning talk "So you think you want your family member involved in Ubuntu?" - Joint talk with Pete and I  - hahahaha
[16:32] <akgraner> I laugh b/c you should here pete's comments at the moment to that suggestion
[16:33] <mhall119> lol
[16:33] <Pendulum> haha
[16:33] <Pendulum> akgraner: isn't the answer "Don't"? :P (at least from his perspective ;-) )
[16:36] <cprofitt> Pendulum: my wife is happy I am involved with Ubuntu
[16:36] <cprofitt> then again she is a wonderful and supportive women
[16:39] <akgraner> Pendulum, yep :-)
[16:39] <akgraner> Pete is supportive until I am Ubuntu 24/7
[16:39] <akgraner> without ceasing
[16:40] <cprofitt> my wife does Civil War Geneology and I support her... and she is very supportive of my involvement in Ubuntu
[16:40] <cprofitt> I am not sure, with three kids, if she would allow 24/7... but I get a lot of time
[16:41] <akgraner> cprofitt, I've talked about Ubuntu so much since 2009 that my family leaves the room now when I talk about it after 6pm
[16:41] <akgraner> did you see the signs my daughter did at SELF?
[16:42] <sense> Maybe the lightning talk is something for her!
[16:42] <akgraner> um no - that would be a comedy routine of epic proportion
[16:42] <maco> akgraner: if you see my mommy on irc, tell her i'm hungry?
[16:42] <akgraner> I would die of embarrassment
[16:43] <akgraner> maco, sadly that is based in truth
[16:43] <maco> i know, she said it to pete, right?
[16:44] <jcastro> jono: yeah doing those today at some point
[16:44] <mhall119> jcastro: summit ical has been fixed
[16:44] <mhall119> IS just pushed the update, http://severinghaus.org/projects/icv/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-p.ical confirms
[16:44] <akgraner> no another person - but the message got to pete  - he was out of town when she first said it
[16:44] <jcastro> I needed to sort the thing with making it use the same blueprint
[16:44] <jcastro> mhall119: oh awesome!
[16:44] <jcastro> mhall119: I'm not sure if that's what breaks guidebook but making it validate can't hurt
[16:45] <mhall119> true, but it's probably what did it
[16:46] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[16:46] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so, I've got the main roundtable blueprint
[16:46] <jcastro> and it's scheduled
[16:48] <jcastro> but I need to make multiple sessions but use the same blueprint
[16:48] <jcastro> so do I create the other 4 in the admin UI by hand and then just put the same BP field?
[16:52] <nigelb> mhall119: ping
[16:52] <nigelb> I thought you wre supposed to replace \n with \r\n
[16:52] <nigelb> Not \r with \r\n
[17:05] <mhall119> nigelb: we're supposed to replace \n *or* \r\n with \N
[17:05] <cprofitt> what are you looking for new line?
[17:06] <mhall119> jcastro: that would work, yes
[17:06] <jcastro> ok so that won't break anything right?
[17:06] <jcastro> multiple sessions pointing to one blueprint?
[17:06] <nigelb> mhall119: ok.
[17:06] <mhall119> jcastro: uh.........no....
[17:06] <jcastro> nigelb: ok, if I break this ....
[17:06] <jcastro> I want witnesses. :)
[17:06] <nigelb> If it breaks... "jcastro broke summit"
[17:06] <mhall119> I'm 83% sure it won't break
[17:06] <jcastro> I know it
[17:07] <mhall119> until lpupdate runs
[17:07] <nigelb> It *may* break for autoschedule.
[17:07] <nigelb> So, make sure everything is manually sceduled.
[17:07] <mhall119> yeah, that's where I'm concerned
[17:09] <jcastro> it's ok I will manually schedule each one
[17:09] <jcastro> it's for the community roundtables
[17:09] <mhall119> jcastro: it looks like it'll stop updating from LP is more than one meeting has the same blueprint
[17:09] <mhall119> jcastro: I think this should be one meeting, with multiple agenda items
[17:09] <jcastro> what will, the session? Or the entire thing?
[17:10] <mhall119> I think james_w was doing this for something else
[17:10] <jcastro> ok how do I do that?
[17:10] <mhall119> jcastro: manage.py lpupdate will skip updating any meetings for that blueprint
[17:10] <jcastro> oh ok
[17:10] <mhall119> jcastro: manually create agenda items, I think
[17:10] <mhall119> in the admin  UI
[17:19] <jcastro> mhall119: I don't see "agenda" anywhere in the record
[17:19] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/meeting/19441/
[17:19] <dholbach> alright my friends - end of the day over here
[17:20] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:20] <cprofitt> see ya dholbach
[17:20] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:22] <mhall119> jcastro: it's not part of the Meeting reocrd
[17:23] <jcastro> donde is it?
[17:23] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/agenda/
[17:23] <jcastro> I mean "where is it" of course. :)
[17:24] <mhall119> jcastro: I know that much spanish
[17:27] <jcastro> ok so where can I find these mythical agenda things you guys keep talking about?
[17:40] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/agenda/
[17:41] <maco> jcastro: did you just get off the phone with tu mamá or has florida caught up with you?
[17:41] <jcastro> I've just been practicing
[17:49] <czajkowski> I can haz new job as a writer for an open source magazne and online site
[17:49] <czajkowski> aka writing about open source for a living
[17:50] <cprofitt> congrats czajkowski
[17:51] <cprofitt> has to be nice to be able to make a living from working in something related to Open Source
[17:51] <akgraner> czajkowski, congrats!
[17:52] <akgraner> which magazine?  curious minds want to know :-)
[17:52] <czajkowski> wont be writing about ubuntu
[17:52] <jussi> czajkowski: congrats... Im sure youll be evil... err great :P (no, really, awesome news to hear, hope things go really well there)
[17:52] <czajkowski> conflict of interest so will write about anything else
[17:53] <czajkowski> we did agree that at the offer unless there is something i realy really really wanna write about
[17:53] <czajkowski> so tday was iron pyton chrome 17 http and last week was blender
[17:53] <czajkowski> so tis something new
[17:53] <cprofitt> yes, which magazine? Linux Journal?
[17:54] <czajkowski> h-online
[17:54] <czajkowski> .com
[17:54] <czajkowski> the english version of the german magazine
[17:54] <czajkowski> we also translate their articles and vice versa
[17:54] <cprofitt> nice... you have exposed me to a new source of information
[17:54] <cprofitt> thanks
[17:55] <pleia2> czajkowski: congrats!
[17:55] <jussi> czajkowski: awesome, in you they both get a good writer plus lots of readers who will read just to see your article.
[17:55] <pleia2> we pull from h-online for UWN often
[17:55] <cprofitt> yeah, let them know I just bookmarked their site so I could follow your articles
[17:55] <jussi> I didnt even know it existed.
[17:57] <jono> jcastro, can we punt our meeting back a bit
[17:57] <jono> I am wrapping up a few things here
[17:57] <jcastro> sure
[17:57] <jono> czajkowski, congrats!
[17:59] <popey> congrats czajkowski !
[18:03] <akgraner> hi all leadership team meeting in -meeting about to take place
[18:04] <czajkowski> niow for pizza and beer wth the bf
[18:04] <czajkowski> nn
[18:10] <bkerensa> =o
[18:10] <dpm> jcastro, do you know if we need to set the "Series goal" for blueprints to appear on the schedule, or it doesn't matter as long as a track lead approves it?
[18:10] <jcastro> series doesn't matter afaict
[18:10] <dpm> cool, thanks jcastro
[18:51] <jono> hi folks
[18:51] <jono> first blog post on post-survey next steps: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-next-steps-leadership/
[18:51] <jono> thoughts and suggestions welcome!
[18:51] <cprofitt> will read soon jono
[18:53] <jono> thanks cprofitt
[18:54] <cprofitt> it looks good jono, do you want to throw up a link to the blueprint for UDS?
[18:54] <jono> which blueprint?
[18:55] <jono> there is no BP for the leadership summit
[18:56] <jono> ok lunch time for me
[18:56] <jono> back soon!
[18:56] <cprofitt> jono: alright... I thought there was a blueprint.
[18:56] <cprofitt> enjoy lunch
[19:01] <akgraner> jono jcastro I added teaching mediums  to the leadership summit :-)
[19:01] <akgraner> oh and I put y'alls name on it
[19:03] <cprofitt> teaching mediums?
[19:03] <cprofitt> crystal balls :-)
[19:03] <cprofitt> tarrot cards :-)
[19:14] <jcastro> mhall119: it must have been the feed, the update works now
[19:14] <mhall119> \o/
[19:14] <jcastro> akgraner: can you check the schedule on your phone again?
[19:14] <jcastro> mhall119: can you add a test to validate the field?
[19:14] <mhall119> jcastro: older ical feeds are broken now though
[19:14] <jcastro> er, the feed I mean
[19:15] <jcastro> which ones?
[19:15] <mhall119> jcastro: I added a test case to make sure the description field is having newlines converted, as per the ical spec
[19:15] <mhall119> jcastro: I got an email about a karmic ical
[19:15] <cprofitt> I am seeing community stuff now jcastro
[19:15] <mhall119> specifically, any older summit's ical, since their meetings didn't have description fields
[19:15] <jcastro> oh
[19:16] <jcastro> I don't care about that, that event is over. :)
[19:16] <mhall119> yeah, still good to fix, but that can wait until after UDS-P
[19:16] <cprofitt> ?
[19:17] <jcastro> cprofitt: he's saying it breaks older UDS calendars
[19:17] <mhall119> hey jcastro, can you see if they can update their mobile app to accept a secondary ical feed to fill the "My Schedule" data?
[19:17] <jcastro> but those are finished
[19:17] <cprofitt> k
[19:17] <jcastro> yeah let me see
[19:18] <cprofitt> jcastro: so for uds-p I see community sessions now, which I believe were missing earlier
[19:18] <jcastro> yeah
[19:18] <jcastro> like half the schedule was missing actually
[19:19] <jcastro> mhall119: it seems tied into their app when you select a session to have to your feed
[19:21] <jcastro> it doesn't do what you'd think it would do
[19:21] <jcastro> also, they have tracks in the app
[19:21] <jcastro> we just don't use them
[19:22]  * jcastro messes with it
[19:22] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, they have it built-in, but if we have that in LP subscriptions already, and we're exposing it in personal icals already, it's a pain to have to re-subscribe on their mobile app
[19:24] <jcastro> yeah
[19:24] <jcastro> man
[19:24] <jcastro> I didn't know there was so mucb bickering going on
[19:24] <jcastro> I guess we need a session for it? o_O
[19:26] <maco> referring to the "community bickering" part of the survey?
[19:30] <cprofitt> going to head home; then cub scout meeting tonight
[19:30] <cprofitt> talk with you all later tonight
[19:30] <jcastro> maco: yeah
[19:30]  * maco suspects she contributed to that
[19:36]  * popey hugs jcastro
[19:36] <jcastro> popey: is that like, for an official capacity? that project I mean
[19:36] <popey> its a private project
[19:36] <popey> will be made public at some poiunnt
[19:36] <popey> once its tested
[19:37] <popey> the client is open source
[19:38] <popey> the idea is that it can scale up using the cloud :D
[19:38] <jcastro> cute
[19:38] <popey> so if lots of people use it at once, it spins up EC2 instances and farms new users out to that
[19:39] <nigelb> I know what project popey's talking about :D
[19:39] <popey> heh
[19:39] <nigelb> heh, I was thinking of asking popey abuot it earlier today ;)
[19:39] <jcastro> popey: is this for canonical or standalone?
[19:40] <popey> it wasn't developed for or by canonical :D
[19:40] <jcastro> oh
[19:40] <jcastro> ok
[19:40] <nigelb> popey -- "He can create things too, not just shutdown"
[19:40] <popey> hah
[19:40]  * nigelb ducks
[19:40] <jcastro> hehehe
[19:40] <jcastro> "Tell me Dr. Freeman, what is it you've created, all you do is destroy."
[19:40] <popey> it's yin and yang though, for new stuff to be created, you just _have_ to destroy something else
[19:41]  * jcastro wonders who will get that reference
[19:41] <popey> o/
[19:41] <popey> love that game
[19:41] <jcastro> though you know empathy has built in desktop sharing with NAT busting ootb right?
[19:41] <popey> pffffft
[19:41] <popey> empathy schmempathy ;)
[19:42] <jcastro> "right, but who can get THAT to work."
[20:01] <pleia2> note to self: don't read all of the "what do you find demotivating" stuff all at once
[20:01] <pleia2> I need a drink :)
[20:01] <cprofitt> that was a great deal to read
[20:02] <cprofitt> and it is difficult to know what has weight vs. what was just bitter
[20:04] <nigelb> pleia2: :)
[20:21] <jono> jcastro, quick call?
[20:22] <jcastro> jono: yep
[20:22] <jcastro> G+ ME!
[20:22] <czajkowski> pizza and willy wonka and the chocolate factory is an awesome way to spend an evening
[20:22] <jono> btw, I added a bickering session at UDS
[20:22] <jono> jcastro, one sec
[20:22] <jcastro> I saw
[20:26] <jono> jcastro, invite sent
[20:26] <akgraner> jcastro, now you are quoting half-life 2 jeez....
[20:26] <akgraner> I worry about the stuff you watch and listen too....you need some easy listening
[20:27] <akgraner> and rainbows and sunshine in your life
[20:29] <akgraner> If you start quoting Quake, Doom, Grand theft auto, or black ops - I'm putting you in a room with my son
[20:30] <akgraner> jcastro - my son just said, "mom leave the guy alone and can I have my controllers back"  :-/
[20:34] <mhall119> lol
[20:36] <nigelb> akgraner: I'm worried that you recognized the Half-Life 2 quote.
[20:36] <nigelb> jcastro, mhall119 ^
[20:37] <mhall119> nigelb: I always knew she was more geek than me
[20:38] <nigelb> mhall119: No doubts there. I knew as well.
[20:38] <nigelb> mhall119: She writes python now. Shall we hand over summit?
[20:38] <mhall119> sssshh, you're not supposed to let them know it's coming
[20:38] <mhall119> otherwise they run
[20:38] <nigelb> Drat, sorry!
[20:40] <jcastro> did someone say amber is taking over summit?
[20:41] <nigelb> heh
[20:42] <akgraner> noooooooooo
[20:43] <akgraner> jcastro, don't listen to them....
[20:43] <jcastro> too late
[20:43] <jcastro> i've handed over the launchpad creds to your account
[20:43] <nigelb> haha
[20:43] <akgraner> :-P
[20:43] <nigelb> mhall119: Success! ^
[20:43] <mhall119> yay, new project lead!
[20:44] <mhall119> hopefully she'll write more summit code this cycle than our last one :P
[20:44] <nigelb> heh
[20:44] <akgraner> :-P
[20:45] <mhall119> by "last one" I meant last project lead, not last cycle
[20:45] <nigelb> hah
[20:45] <mhall119> but I love you both
[20:45] <akgraner> I wanted to become more technical when someone told my frustration comes from my lack of technical ability...so all that did was fuel the fire :-)
[20:45] <mhall119> akgraner: cool, then your frustration can come from your technical abilities, just like the rest of us ;)
[20:46] <akgraner> mhall119, you just wait til I ask you all my python questions at UDS
[20:46] <akgraner> I am saving them
[20:47] <mhall119> heh
[20:47] <akgraner> and all my juju and charms questions I am saving for jcastro
[20:47] <czajkowski> oh started to learn python a few weeks back
[20:47] <czajkowski> finaly starting to make sense
[20:47] <mhall119> akgraner: there's a juju charm school session
[20:47] <akgraner> mhall119, hahaha
[20:47] <czajkowski> beats the days I had to do object oriented C++ and java programming and I HATED IT
[20:47] <czajkowski> HATE.JAVA!
[20:47] <mhall119> actually "charm school" really should be the name of that session
[20:48] <akgraner> my name and charm school in the same sentence - now that is freakin funny
[20:48] <mhall119> "Amber's Charm School: Now y'all shut up and listen"
[20:49] <akgraner> mhall119, yep that's about the way it would work
[20:49] <akgraner> and emma janes book for Drupal users is awesome
[21:28] <akgraner> jcastro, woo hoo - signing more people up for the trello leadership board :-)
[21:32]  * jcastro trellos
[21:46] <akgraner> jcastro, is that a verb now?
[21:47]  * mhall119 proposes making "jcastro" a verb
[21:47] <mhall119> as in, "I just totally jcastroed that wiki page"
[21:48] <mhall119> or "Stand back, I'm about to jcastro the summit server!"
[21:49] <mhall119> or "Hey man, I was totally plastered last night and accidentally jcastroed, now I need a place to hide a body"
[21:50] <akgraner> mhall119, +1
[21:50] <mhall119> jcastro: v, any vaguely ominous action
[21:51] <akgraner> jcastro, is not a robot and a verb
[21:51] <akgraner> nwo
[21:51] <akgraner> now
[21:51] <akgraner> dang it
[21:51] <mhall119> lol
[21:51] <mhall119> you totally jcastroed that joke
[21:52] <jcastro> lolz
[21:55] <mhall119> on a side note, "Vaguely Ominous" could be the name of the next Severed Fifth album
[22:09] <AlanBell> 11.10 should have been Ominous Ocelot
[22:09] <AlanBell> ..
[22:09] <jcastro> I am become ocelot, bringer of ominousness
[22:11] <AlanBell> the precursor to Portentious Pangolin
[22:21] <jono> mhall119, lol
[22:22] <jono> album cover: http://i.imgur.com/xoO2l.jpg
[22:26] <mhall119> czajkowski: lol
[22:27] <mhall119> jono I mean
[22:28]  * mhall119 will attempt to blame that on tab-complete somehow
[22:29]  * pleia2 peers down at keyboard and doesn't buy it
[22:29] <mhall119> they're both on the same side of the keyboard
[22:29] <mhall119> the top
[22:30] <pleia2> just tell people you're using dvorak and they're next to each other (they aren't but who knows dvorak?)
[22:30] <mhall119> heh, good point
[22:31] <maco> haha
[23:19] <akgraner> hey jono how many of the leadership posts based on the survey are you going to post this week
[23:19] <akgraner> I'm trying to figure out if it needs it's own header in the newsletter
[23:24] <akgraner> also I'm going to need someone with a critical eye to proof UWN on Sunday - so if anyone wants to be a drive by proofer please let me know b/c I'll need to publish UWN before UDS kicks off Monday morning
[23:25] <akgraner> AlanBell, I told jcastro I was writing down all the advice he gives - and we were going to create the Gospel according to jcastro
[23:26] <akgraner> at the top of the list - Just do sh&t :-)
[23:33]  * bkerensa is waiting for Jono to blog about his Costco trips
[23:33] <bkerensa> :D
[23:34] <bkerensa> OMG! Costco!
[23:36] <jono> akgraner, just one on leadership
[23:41] <akgraner> ok - this week is going to be crazy in terms of getting UWN in out  - so I'm just prepping as much as possible
[23:41] <akgraner> thanks jono!
[23:55] <jono> akgraner, no, thank you!
[23:55] <jono> bkerensa, lol
[23:56] <akgraner> jono I saw your tweet about pwgraner and sil - should I be worried ;-P
[23:56] <bkerensa> =]
[23:56] <bkerensa> jono: I was able to smoke some Canonical employees out of the woods for the release party
[23:56] <bkerensa> Steve Langasek and Adam Gandelman showed
[23:56] <bkerensa> :D


[15:06] <rww> Pici: yes hello cloak plz
[15:07] <Pici> ook
[15:08] <rww> Pici: shall i hunt a staffer, or are you on it?
[15:08] <Pici> I'm looking
[15:08] <rww> k. the one i usually harass is at work, i checked before :s
[15:35] <Pici> poof
[15:45] <rww> thanks :)