[07:12] <Saviq> hey all, have there been any changes to u-s-c recently that you think could cause bug #1491566 ?
[07:15] <Saviq> it's as if unity8 stopped getting input altogether, but is not stuck
[07:42] <Saviq> hmm folks, resyncing vivid+overlay and wily for mir means upgrading overlay to mir 0.15.1, is that desired?
[07:43] <RAOF> I believe that's the poison we've chosen, yes.
[07:57] <Saviq> ok so Mir's test plan added
[08:14] <alan_g> duflu: alf_ are there enough eyes on the CI failures yet? Or should I take a look?
[08:14] <duflu> alan_g: I've got the ClientLatency issues under control. No idea about clang
[09:25] <alf_> alan_g: I haven't made any progress on the clang threadsanitizer job, can't reproduce. I am very tempted to just disable the job.
[09:27] <alan_g> alf_: I'll take a look (in half an hour or so). If I can't find anything quickly let's disable it to unblock CI.
[09:28] <alf_> alan_g: ack
[10:29] <Saviq> hey guys, can you please help me get silo 14 into a valid state, now that it includes a mir 0.15.1 upgrade into vivid/overlay, we need to rebuild a few bits in there, too, I imagine?
[10:30] <Saviq> like qtubuntu, maybe gtk since we missed its upgrade to 0.14
[10:35] <Saviq> seems mirclient didn't change, just mirserver and mirplatform got a bump
[10:36] <Saviq> anpok, seeing as you released 0.15 into wily originally, can you comment ↑?
[10:38] <alan_g> Saviq: mirclient in 0.15 is ABI compatible to 0.14, so it should only be servers that need rebuilding. Not sure what your gtk comment is about - I thought it was updated with 0.14.
[10:38] <anpok> Saviq: 0.14 ..
[10:39] <Saviq> alan_g, yeah, that's the problem, it got "lost" somewhere, and gtk in vivid overlay depends on mirclient8 still
[10:39] <anpok> alan_g: it wasnt copied for some reason to the ppa
[10:40] <alan_g> alf_: having trouble building TS (on my vivid+some of overlay laptop) - sorry for the delay
[10:41] <alan_g> anpok: you OK to sort this?
[10:41] <alf_> alan_g: np, can I help in some way?
[10:42] <alan_g> alf_: dunno, somehow I'm getting multiple pthreads definitions... gonna nuke some directories
[10:43] <anpok> Saviq, alan_g: lunch - will look for the 3.14 branch with the neessary patches..
[10:44] <Saviq> anpok, kk, I'm rebuilding qtmir in the mean time, will you be able to help with testing vivid+overlay with the new mir?
[10:44] <Saviq> we'll test the unity8 part for both vivid and wily
[11:57] <dandrader> alf_, how do I change the environment where u-s-c is run?
[11:58] <alf_> dandrader: On the phone?
[11:58] <dandrader> alf_, yes
[11:59] <alan_g> alf_: built OK - but I'm seeing failure in UnresponsiveClient.does_not_hang_server :(
[12:00] <alf_> alan_g: could that be because of a timeout being too short for running under ThreadSanitizer?
[12:01] <alf_> alan_g: (just a wild guess)
[12:01] <alan_g> They are all wild at the moment. :(
[12:03] <alan_g> alf_: nm that test is excluded in CMake
[12:05] <dandrader> alf_, so..? :)
[12:05] <alf_> dandrader: looking, but things seem to have changed from last time I looked (which was long ago)
[12:06] <dandrader> :(
[12:07] <alf_> dandrader: ok, I think what you are looking for is /usr/share/ubuntu-touch-session/usc-wrapper
[12:07] <alf_> dandrader: edit that to export any env. variables you want
[12:08] <alf_> dandrader: (or add args to usc invocation)
[12:08] <dandrader> alf_, excellent! thanks!
[12:09] <alf_> dandrader: np, let me know if it works :)
[12:10] <dandrader> it should. I recall having played with this file for this same purpose ages ago :)
[12:10] <dandrader> I mean, now I recall
[12:39] <Saviq> anpok, hey, any news?
[12:43] <anpok> Saviq: looking now..
[12:43] <anpok> silo-014 is a dual landing silo
[12:43] <anpok> ok so no source package iirc
[12:55] <Saviq> anpok, I believe we can do it with a source package no problem
[12:56] <Saviq> still the train staff will have to upload it for us
[12:56] <Saviq> and since gtk is not a train-driven package, likely the only way?
[12:57] <anpok> iirc dual landing silos dont mix with source package silos..
[12:57] <anpok> at least thats what added another level of fun to the 0.14 release
[12:59] <Saviq> anpok, ah hmm, that might be, maybe we can land gtk separately, after, then?
[13:13] <alan_g> alf: kdub I think we should go ahead, disable the test (and add a card for re-enabling it).
[13:13]  * kdub is inclined to agree
[13:13] <kdub> I havent had much luck getting it to fail in the same way
[13:14] <alf_> alan_g: I agree, should I notify the CI team?
[13:15] <alan_g> alf_: please do
[13:33]  * alan_g gets segfault to happen in the debugger
[13:42]  * alf_ managed to confuse the CI team and they disabled mir-ci/autolanding instead of only the clang-ts job
[13:44] <alan_g> LOL
[13:44] <anpok> Saviq: a silo for gtk-3-14 to vivid with the package from back then is available.. but also a new upstream version with the updated mir backend is on vivid-proposed
[13:44] <anpok> yeah that will silence all the noise
[13:49] <Saviq> anpok, ok, I saw you sorting it out with Mirv in #ubuntu-ci-eng, so we can go ahead and start testing silo 14 if I'm not mistaken/
[13:49] <Saviq> ?
[13:50] <anpok> yes gtk will be solved by the other silo 021 or by itself if the updated one makes it into vivid itself
[14:08] <Saviq> bregma, mzanetti, so AFAICT silo 14 is good for testing now
[14:08] <Saviq> can we split the effort? /me not up for testing a Mir release yet
[14:08]  * mzanetti neither
[14:09] <mzanetti> can do unity stuff
[14:09]  * Saviq for wily
[14:09] <mzanetti> ack, vivid here
[14:09] <bregma> I'm a little concerned about unity-system-compositor; there may be issues, we'll see how that works out
[14:10] <Saviq> bregma, wily is a no-change rebuild for mir, so mir@vivid is the important bit
[14:10] <bregma> I'll set up to test on each serially, but it may take a while I'm new to testing Mir
[14:11] <Saviq> bregma, u-s-c is a no-change rebuild into both, so should be fine in theoruy
[14:11] <Saviq> -u
[14:12] <bregma> well, it's gone complicated because it looks like theyve forked between wily and the overlay, I need an explanation
[14:12] <Saviq> bregma, u-s-c? not AFAICT?
[14:13] <Saviq> bregma, here's a merge of lp:u-s-c/wily into lp:u-s-c https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/unity-system-compositor/no-change-rebuild-mir-0.15.1/+merge/269102
[14:13] <Saviq> bregma, just changelog diffs
[14:15] <bregma> Saviq, did you rebuild the silo after updating that MP?
[14:15] <Saviq> bregma, it wouldn't build otherwise
[14:15] <bregma> exactly
[14:16] <Saviq> bregma, but that's just because of the missing changelog version
[14:16] <mzanetti> Saviq, confirming that yday's issue is gone. doing more testing now
[14:16] <bregma> yeah, I didn;t follow up after the build failed because my attention got diverted elsewhere, thanks for updating
[14:16] <Saviq> bregma, so I now updated the changelogs and it's built in the silo for both vivid and wily, but both are no-change rebuilds afaict
[14:17] <Saviq> yeah, it must be so, because that diff is merging into lp:u-s-c/ubuntu
[14:28] <kdub> anpok, is it sane to set all the mac's to zero for qtcompatibility thusly? : https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/qtmir/mir-mac-compatibility/+merge/270185
[14:29] <anpok> for now - yes since attestable-timestamps is still in review
[14:34] <kdub> anpok, alright, should be good enough for testing then, thanks
[16:01] <alan_g> alf_: I think that the tsan problem is just the process overloading the poor little VM in CI. Running it a while on my laptop started chewing up memory - it go so I could only run terminal tasks.
[21:58] <fginther> kdub, https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/configurable-DisplayConfigurationReport/+merge/269786 and https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/plumb-resizing/+merge/269093 failed (or will fail soon) to merge because one of the jenkins slaves ran out of space. May I re-approve them?
[22:32] <kdub> fginther, sure
[22:32] <kdub> thanks!


[01:49] <prosurestring> hello!
[01:55] <Jim`> the ISO finally done
[02:35] <prosurestring> added r
[03:42] <Jim`> arraybolt3 , Unit193: So I installed hplib and it worked
[03:42] <Jim`> For a printer
[03:43] <Jim`> arraybolt3 , Unit193: I had to install "xsane" for it to work in GIMP as a scanner though?
[03:43] <Jim`> is that normal?
[03:44] <Unit193> \o/
[03:45] <Jim`> Unit193: also I remembered I like LXDE better now lol
[03:45] <Jim`> so I'd be installing Lubuntu instead
[03:45] <Jim`> but anyway
[03:58] <arraybolt3> Jim`: Lubuntu switched to LXQt so it probably will be significantly different than you remembered.
[03:58] <arraybolt3> XFCE is probably closer to LXDE than LXQt is now.
[03:58] <arraybolt3> (As a Lubuntu developer, I won't tell you to *not* use it, but you should probably know before you go and try it :P)
[03:59] <Jim`> arraybolt3: I just want close to Windows as possible without KDE
[04:00] <Jim`> or the "LOL YOU BROKE SUCKER!
[04:00] <arraybolt3> Xubuntu is probably going to be a lot more like Windows than modern Lubuntu. Modern Lubuntu is great, but it's more like classic Windows, whereas with some work XFCE can be made to be more like Windows 7 or 10.
[04:00] <arraybolt3> And hey, I have a machine here that is too old to run Windows 11 (officially anyway) that gets plenty of use with Linux :D
[04:02] <Jim`> arraybolt3: Yeah why I gotta upgrade my FX-8370 and 950 SC
[04:02] <Jim`> I'll have to to play GTA6
[04:02] <Jim`> but why can't I make that choice myself
[04:15] <Unit193> If that's your thing, look into xfce4-docklike-plugin and xfdashboard too.
[04:16] <Jim`> Unit193: I don't like the "up top" thing
[04:16] <Unit193> Panel can be moved.
[04:17] <Unit193> https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-docklike-plugin/start that's docklike.
[04:19] <Jim`> Unit193: I'm thinking I should probably be using these "min" GUIs for sure
[04:19] <Jim`> and not KDE or Ubuntu?
[04:23] <Unit193> Up to you what works best for you.
[04:24] <Jim`> Unit193: I don't want the GUI to be eating up all the VRAM trying to play games on Linux before I can get a new Win machine
[11:24] <BadQuanta> If I want gcc-14 on my current install of xubuntu is there a good ppa to add?  ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test doesn't seem to have gcc-14 yet.
[11:43] <BadQuanta> Huh... so 24.04 also defaults to gcc-13?
[11:59] <BadQuanta> Good news. I'm trying out 24.04 in a VM right now; I see it allows me to install gcc-14 from the default repos.  Good news.


[03:59] <teh> require elucidating of how to get from cli to starting up lxde
[04:03] <teh> how do i start up lxde?
[04:53] <Nerdsinc> Erm hello
[05:20] <cerebrate> i need assistance initiating lxde
[05:24] <Unit193> cerebrate: Need to stick around for an answer...  startlubuntu
[05:30] <cerebrate> failed Unit193
[05:31] <cerebrate> i think if i edit in starting with a gui instead of relying on something i don't understand at all (cli based using)
[05:31] <cerebrate> if i change something in /etc
[05:31] <cerebrate> then i could enjoy my gui too
[05:32] <cerebrate> i first did this because i saw not additional login screens searching for one with alt+f#
[05:33] <cerebrate> anyways
[05:34] <cerebrate> trying startlubuntu output gives "cannot open display"
[05:37] <cerebrate> i don't know how to use lynx & when i try it seems to stall
[06:33] <cerebrate> hi hb
[06:33] <cerebrate> peace
[15:16] <cerebrate> archive manager fails critically
[15:17] <cerebrate> second thought, great success
[15:17] <cerebrate> on my second attempt no error messages
[15:17] <cerebrate> :D
[15:17] <cerebrate> hanks so much #lubuntu et cetera


[12:31] <oSoMoN> can this offensive comment be removed, please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1776873/comments/39
[12:35] <cjwatson> oSoMoN: Project bug supervisors (looks like pedronis) should be able to hide comments on bug tasks on their projects FWIW
[12:36] <cjwatson> oSoMoN: Could you ask them to do that first?  Usually better if it comes from the project rather than site staff
[12:36] <oSoMoN> cjwatson, sure, thanks


[02:05] <uBUXUBu> oh cool still people involved in this
[02:05] <uBUXUBu> how is kubuntu these days?
[02:56] <MisterBlues_> hey there
[02:56] <MisterBlues_> i just upgraded from Kubuntu 12.04 LTS to 13.10  bec/ause the kernel version of 12.04 did not support my ethernet port
[02:56] <MisterBlues_> now, I noticed that under 13.10, in kinfocenter, it's only showing 4 processors where as under 12.04 there were 8 of them showing
[02:57] <MisterBlues_> would anybody now how to fix / troubleshoot that?
[02:57] <MisterBlues_> oh, the processor isa :     Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz
[06:28] <James0r> this crashing bug after resume bug with synaptiks pretty common?
[06:43] <jussi> James0r: I dont know whats causing it, but I have a crashing after resume bug here, its !"#¤%#" annoying
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[07:53] <dnivra> Hello! Is there a dark colour scheme for KDE that is like an inverse of the Default theme and works fine with browsers? I tried Jupiter, negro, solarized and Obsidian dark but all those cause issues when using firefox. Alternatively, even configuring browsers to ignore the system colour scheme is good enough for m.
[08:12] <MangaKaDenza> dnivra: still here?
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:17] <MangaKaDenza> hi lordievader
[08:17] <lordievader> Hey MangaKaDenza, how are you doing?
[08:18] <MangaKaDenza> pretty good
[11:15] <yossarianuk> hio - anyone know why I can't open shorten files in amarok ?
[11:16] <yossarianuk> i.e .shn files
[11:16] <yossarianuk> they play in kmplayer
[11:30] <dnivra> MangaKaDenza: Am now :). Was away earlier.
[11:32] <dnivra> I found that Krita darker is sort of okay but I still like some of the colours of Jupiter and Obsidian coast. But still prefer if browsers just didn't use system scheme.
[11:32] <dnivra> Ah I guess you're away now :)
[12:04] <fundead> how to find another channels?
[12:42] <ovrflw0x> s
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:54] <Walex> yossarianuk: that depends on the backend you use for amaroK
[13:55] <yossarianuk> Walex: thanks - yeah, i'm going to try the vlc backend ...
[13:55] <yossarianuk> should work...
[13:56] <yossarianuk> what happened to the xine backend? Never liked gstreamer..
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk. gtreamer ios great for analog setups , VLC back end works very well for digital to audio amplifier / receiver setups like a  HT
[14:05] <Riddell> yossarianuk: xine is unmaintained
[14:06] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: thanks - always used to have issues running alsa-oss with gstreamer backend for some reason.
[14:06] <yossarianuk> (and I mean in other distros - Ubuntu kernel is missing the oss modules)
[15:45] <ezra-s> is dolphin now capable of correctly playing a video file from a smb share?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> ezra-s if you choose open with. dolphin , the video will just open in dragon player afaik
[16:22] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, I'm asking because probably I'm going to install kubuntu in a new desktop machine, and last time I tried browsing a smb share with dolphin and clicking on a video file the url passed to the player would not ever work
[16:26] <BluesKaj> ezra-s. try opening with vlc , it contains all the codecs required to play 99% of videio files ,, the default dragonplayer doesn't unless kubuntu-restricted-extras is installed
[16:28] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, I was using vlc
[16:29] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, the problem was not "playing" the video, but the url passed to the player by dolphin
[16:29] <ezra-s> soemthing which does not happen with nautilus
[16:29] <BluesKaj> don't use dolphin
[16:29] <ezra-s> but I rather use dolphin
[16:29] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, what do you use for file browsing then?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> just open with vlc
[16:30] <BluesKaj> browse with dolphin , open with vlc
[16:31] <ezra-s> which does not work
[16:31] <ezra-s> I may not be explaining the situation correctly
[16:32] <ezra-s> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282963 <--
[16:38] <ezra-s> it seems the thing is still open
[16:40] <BluesKaj> ezra-s. using gstreamer, or VLC as a backend?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> on the server
[16:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:46] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, it does not matter what you use to play the file
[17:44] <chachan> guys, I'm trying to change the language of messages of my konsole session to en_US.utf8. Shell without X environment uses this locale perfectly when I set LC_MESSAGES
[17:44] <chachan> any idea what am I missing?
[17:44] <chachan> or how to override the KDE locale in my konsole session
[17:47] <chachan> I also edit the environment through Edit Profile > General > Environment: Edit, and added LC_MESSAGES=en_US.utf8
[17:47] <chachan> but, still having my native locale instead of en_US.utf8
[18:04] <ovrflw0x> chachan: hey bud
[18:04] <ovrflw0x> wanna override your default locale?
[18:05] <ovrflw0x> chachan: you there bud?
[18:11] <ovrflw0x> chachan: try "export LANG=en_US.utf8"
[18:12] <ovrflw0x> chachan: try "export LANG=en_US.utf-8"
[18:12] <ovrflw0x> ^^^
[18:25] <ovrflw0x> hey kaddi why do you always remain logged into IRC?
[18:30] <lordievader> ovrflw0x: This is IRC, everyone is logged in allways ;)
[18:31] <crowell> tmux + irssi, here all day :-)
[18:31] <ovrflw0x> lordievader: why are you always logged in? don't you have to find 'resistance' of some circuit?
[18:32] <lordievader> ovrflw0x: #kubuntu-offtopic if you want to discuss it ;)
[18:37] <chachan> ovrflw0x, hey
[18:37] <ovrflw0x> yo
[18:38] <ovrflw0x> did it go well chachan?
[18:38] <chachan> ovrflw0x, still same, do I need to reset the shell or some?
[18:39] <chachan> ovrflw0x, ^
[18:39] <ovrflw0x> close it and open?
[18:39] <chachan> ovrflw0x, yeah or append it to bashrc and source it again
[18:39] <ovrflw0x> yeah
[18:40]  * chachan is trying tha
[18:40] <chachan> ovrflw0x, still same
[18:41] <ovrflw0x> locale -a
[18:41] <ovrflw0x> what does it show
[18:41] <chachan> a huge list, want me to paste it?
[18:41] <ovrflw0x> does it have locale you are exporting?
[18:42] <chachan> it does...
[18:42] <ovrflw0x> what command are you trying?
[18:42] <ovrflw0x> export ...
[18:42] <chachan> export LANG=en_US.utf8
[18:43] <ovrflw0x> utf-8 <-- maybe try this
[18:43] <ovrflw0x> en_US.utf-8
[18:43] <chachan> but locale -a shows it without the dash
[18:43] <ovrflw0x> maybe try it
[18:43] <chachan> okies
[18:44] <chachan> ovrflw0x, still
[18:44] <ovrflw0x> type "locale" what does it show
[18:45] <chachan> http://pastebin.kde.org/p36pyjfwn
[18:45] <chachan> hm, I see I'm missing some quotes...
[18:47] <ovrflw0x> that's not the problem chachan
[18:47] <chachan> ovrflw0x, ok, did you see anything else?
[18:47] <chachan> I'm loosing hope =/
[18:48] <ovrflw0x> chachan: export shows en_US as exported
[18:48] <ovrflw0x> then what's the problem?
[18:49] <chachan> ovrflw0x, http://pastebin.kde.org/pqqjtobfr < this is my problem
[18:49] <chachan> messages are in spanish (my native language)
[18:50] <ezra-s> chachan, you are trying to write in / and probably you don't have permissions for that
[18:50] <chachan> I set spanish in my locale settings on KDE preferences, but I can't override it on shell
[18:50] <ovrflw0x> chachan: also do "LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8"
[18:50] <chachan> ezra-s, yeah, the idea is to get a system message :)
[18:51] <ezra-s> chachan, ohh, sorry, I just paid attention, lol
[18:51] <chachan> ezra-s, :p
[18:52] <chachan> ovrflw0x, and that my friend, was the solution!
[18:52] <ovrflw0x> export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[18:52] <ovrflw0x> export LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8"
[18:52] <chachan> ovrflw0x, the last one
[18:52] <chachan> :D
[18:52] <ovrflw0x> you watch football a lot chachan?
[18:53] <chachan> thank you very much guys, now if you excuse me, I need to beat a friend on Injustice (I just bought a PS4) :p
[18:53] <chachan> ovrflw0x, nope, I don't
[18:54] <chachan> ovrflw0x, I'm also on #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:06] <LBobRife> Hi
[19:06] <ovrflw0x> hey
[19:07] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: howdy bud
[19:07] <LBobRife> After I upgraded from Kubuntu 13.04 to Kubuntu 13.10, importing files from my cell phone no longer works. It shows up as a digital camera, but looks empty. Shotwell doesn't work, just shows "Unspecified error (-1)"
[19:09] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: what does lsusb say?
[19:09] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: "Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0fce:0171 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB", and some other nonrelevant lines
[19:10] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: what does lsblk say?
[19:10] <ovrflw0x> find out the partition
[19:11] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: http://pastebin.com/TypKeFJj
[19:12] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: what is sparplats something on your phone?
[19:12] <LBobRife> I don't think it ever showed up as a partition. It is not a "USB mass storage device", it looks like a camera
[19:12] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: No just a hard drive
[19:12] <ovrflw0x> what do you mean?
[19:13] <ovrflw0x> how do you connect your phone to computer?
[19:13] <LBobRife> A normal USB cable. In dolphin it always was access with "camera:". not /media/sdx
[19:14] <ovrflw0x> what is this? /media/sparplats <-- some other usb?
[19:15] <LBobRife> sparplats is just a ntfs partition for windows 7
[19:15] <LBobRife> not usb connected
[19:16] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: do you have this installed? kdegraphics-kamera
[19:19] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: No, I can't even find the package in Muon to install it
[19:21] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: just "kamera"
[19:21] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife:  you there buddy?
[19:22] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: ok, "kamera" is installed
[19:24] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: I installed kdegraphics and it pulled in a bunch of dependencies, now Shotwell sees the files again. Doesn't show up underDolphin, but thats ok
[19:24] <ovrflw0x> LBobRife: install "kamera" did you install it?
[19:25] <ovrflw0x> did it get fetched as dependencie?
[19:25] <ovrflw0x> dependency*
[19:25] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: I don't know if it was fetched was a depencedy, but when i check after it was installed.
[19:25] <ovrflw0x> what?
[19:26] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: It was installed when I checked, but I checked _after_ kdegraphics was installed which had a lot of dependencies, so I don't know if it was installed because of kdegraphics or was there before.
[19:27] <LBobRife> ovrflw0x: But Shotwells works now, Thank you so much!
[19:40] <claycorn3> hello
[19:40] <lordievader> Hey claycorn3
[19:40] <billy__> hello?
[19:40] <claycorn3> whats the command to update my video drivers ?
[19:40] <lordievader> Hey billy__
[19:40] <lordievader> claycorn3: How did you install your video driver?
[19:41] <claycorn3> well they came with the netbook
[19:41] <billy__> what distro you use clay
[19:41] <lordievader> claycorn3: What graphics card do you have?
[19:41] <claycorn3> im looking for a way to view googleearth
[19:42] <lordievader> claycorn3: Could you answer my question ;)
[19:42] <billy__> use chrome browser its all setup in the browser it self
[19:42] <claycorn3> Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:42] <billy__> instell
[19:42] <billy__> intel sorry
[19:43] <claycorn3> used to look great on windows but now its white dots
[19:43] <lordievader> claycorn3: Hmm, well those drivers are in the repos. So when you update your system through Muon or apt, the drivers are updated automatically.
[19:43] <claycorn3> ahh
[19:44] <claycorn3> any chance of viewing google earth on this system?
[19:44] <billy__> what distro you use clay?
[19:44] <claycorn3> kubuntu
[19:44] <lordievader> billy__: He is in #kubuntu ;)
[19:45] <billy__> lol
[19:45] <billy__> i use lubuntu on mine
[19:45] <billy__> k was a little to slow on my netbook
[19:46] <claycorn3> runs super on this netbook
[19:46] <lordievader> Anyhow for support question in this room you can assume that they use Kubuntu.
[19:46] <claycorn3> updating the video would make google earth run better correct?
[19:47] <billy__> sorry bord and was looking for help for makeing a irc for my server for me and my brother and our buddies for minecraft
[19:47] <billy__> it should make your whole netbook run smoother
[19:48] <claycorn3> its apt-get update correct?
[19:49] <billy__> dont for get the sudo part ;)
[19:49] <claycorn3> hehe of course
[19:49] <claycorn3> :3
[19:50] <billy__> you useing 13?
[19:50] <crowell> you also need to apt-get upgrade :P
[19:50] <billy__> lol ill say on 12.04 for a little longer lol
[19:53] <claycorn3> oki doki thanks for the info <3
[20:00] <alaa> hey guys
[20:01] <alaa> I need help with running blender
[20:01] <alaa> it doesn't want to run. I've been having this problem for several days, and nothing online is helping me
[20:01] <alaa> please help
[20:01] <alaa> :)
[20:06] <soee> what messages you have when you try to run it from terminal ?
[20:08] <alaa> no such file or directory
[20:08] <alaa> I tried ldd blender to see if there are any missing files
[20:08] <alaa> and I also get the same message
[20:09] <alaa> but its installed. I got it through Muon
[20:11] <alaa> when I type blender only, it says color managemer: using fallback mode for management
[20:11] <alaa> I did apt-get install blender, in root mode, and it said, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded
[22:43] <jalcine> \o/ hibernation works like a charm
[22:52] <jalcine> woah! 4.11.3 kde allows you have to each workspace on their activity? Finally!
[22:53] <alphacrypt> hey if me want to get more info about kubuntu where to look?
[22:53] <alphacrypt> kde-communities, kubuntu hmm where the best one
[22:53] <alphacrypt> in german please :D
[22:54] <jalcine> !gb
[22:54] <jalcine> er
[22:54] <jalcine> !de
[22:54] <jalcine> What's the country code for Germany?
[22:54] <kaddi> dr
[22:54] <alphacrypt> ok
[22:54] <kaddi> de
[22:54] <kaddi> that was correct
[22:54] <alphacrypt> jalcine thanks
[22:54] <jalcine> no problem
[23:24] <alphacrypt> hey
[23:24] <alphacrypt> got /home/user/.kde/share/config/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agentrc" not writable.
[23:24] <alphacrypt> can you say what to do in order to fix it


[11:04] <ebel> hmmm
[11:04] <ebel> our blacknight sponsored hosting is about to expire
[11:04] <ebel> are we doing anything with that?
[11:12] <czajkowski> thought we were
[11:13] <czajkowski> you're kidding we;ve had it a year and not used it :(
[11:19] <ebel> erm, not sure
[11:20] <slashtom> we have hosting? what for?
[11:23] <ebel> ubuntu-ie
[11:24]  * ebel should send an email'
[11:25] <ebel> brian lenihan has just died
[11:27] <czajkowski> nods
[11:27] <czajkowski> sad
[11:28] <ebel> he didn't have a nice last year.
[11:30] <czajkowski> no indeed he didnt
[11:30] <czajkowski> and the kind of cancer he has was less than pleasent also
[11:32] <ebel> I was more thinking that he had a tough job.
[11:32] <czajkowski> aye he did
[11:33] <czajkowski> and it'd been a long year for him also
[11:34] <ebel> AFAIK that means there are no more FF TDs in Dublin
[18:16] <airurando> Evening all
[18:18] <airurando> Who is going to 3DCamp and the Geeknic in limerick tomorrow.
[19:44] <czajkowski> aloha


[00:50] <Tex> New here hi room
[00:50] <penguin42> Hi Tex
[01:09] <ThomasB> hi
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> ive read that 14.04 will support ssd TRIM by default, anyone saw signs of that yet?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[20:11] <sergio-br2> hi
[20:22] <penguin42> hey
[21:17] <hyper_ch> hi there, testing alpha 1 and I notcied I can't boot into kde... I get to lightdm that asks for my password and then it just freezes.... using kernel 3.11 from saucy is no problem
[21:18] <hyper_ch> is there a way to troubleshoot that?
[21:18] <penguin42> hyper_ch: 1st question is how frozen is it; does capslock work? Does the mouse still move?
[21:18] <hyper_ch> penguin42: nothing works... not even fall back to a terminal with alt-f2
[21:19] <penguin42> that's ctrl-alt-f2
[21:19] <penguin42> hyper_ch: Have you got another machine you can ssh into it when it's in that state?
[21:19] <penguin42> hyper_ch: The other place I'd look is /var/log/lightdm
[21:20] <hyper_ch> sorry, I meant ctrl-alf + f2
[21:20] <hyper_ch> well, having an Optimus platform and I was eager to test out since that should now be supported in the kernel instead of bumblebee
[21:21] <hyper_ch> upon next reboot I'll try 3.12 and check then lightdm log
[21:21] <penguin42> hyper_ch: Yeh so there are a bunch of separate logs in there; for X when lightdm runs it, for lightdm itself and for the greeter that actually takes your password
[21:21] <hyper_ch> just found that out :)
[21:21] <penguin42> hyper_ch: If you have something else on the network it's worth seeing if you can ssh in to see what state it's in
[21:22] <hyper_ch> penguin42: I figured I won't try to ssh in since fallback to teminal didn't work but I might do so :)
[21:23] <penguin42> hyper_ch: Yeh I mean it's worth a go - it all depends what broke
[21:23] <hyper_ch> thx
[21:23] <hyper_ch> trying tomorrow
[21:23] <penguin42> If just the display stuff that's screwed then ssh in and you might be able to see a bit more
[21:24] <penguin42> Being optimus, I'd also try dissabling that and see if it survives
[21:24] <hyper_ch> not even sure if I can disable optimus
[21:24] <hyper_ch> been a long time since I checked the bios
[21:25] <penguin42> the ones I've used have a 3 way choice between intel only, nvidia only, optimus mode
[21:25] <hyper_ch> not sure if mine offers that
[21:25] <hyper_ch> as said, been a while
[21:26] <hyper_ch> btw, there's still problem with manual encryption selection upon installaion
[21:26] <hyper_ch> chose manual partitioning, make 1st partition for boot, make 2nd partition and select for encryption --> then you're screwed because installer doesn't continue
[21:27] <hyper_ch> so I still use the 12.04.3 alternate installed and do a release-upgrade


[00:00] <zenrox> so its just the restricted modules that are installed in the other kernel
[00:00] <zenrox> ??
[00:13] <Kano> well the lrm manager has some stupid sideeffekts
[01:26] <infinity> BenC: Alive, perchance?
[01:39] <yuhong> In fairness however, Windows have a mode where NX is enabled for all apps.
[01:39] <yuhong> That may catch some buffer overflows
[01:39] <yuhong> http://blogs.authentium.com/virusblog/?p=156
[01:40] <yuhong> Unfortuately, it is not set that way by default because of appcompat issues.
[01:44] <yuhong> Also there is another reason to enable PAE. More than 4G of RAM requires PAE.
[01:45] <yuhong> Though using a x86-64 kernel is better if you can, with only 4G of RAM, PAE should suffice to access the part that is over the 4G physical address space boundary.
[01:45] <yuhong> But that is secondary, the primary reason is NX.
[01:46] <yuhong> And yes, there are processors that support NX and PAE that does not support x64.
[01:46] <yuhong> Most of them have less than 4G through, so the primary reason is NX.
[01:46] <yuhong> To enable PAE, that is.
[01:47] <yuhong> Solaris have a runtime option to enable PAE, so it have NX enabled by default.
[13:48] <reynaldo> mornings all.
[17:22] <lool> Hi folks
[17:32] <lool> exmap is currently broken in Ubuntu but works fine in Debian; it seems to be dying when parsing /proc/*/maps; should I be aware of a major difference between the kernels which my eyes can't detect?
[17:33] <lool> The parsing chokes on the getty processes which are launched by upstart instead of init
[19:26] <reynaldo> oh.
[20:34] <lamont> BenC: wondering... you care if you have to do your own installs?
[21:21] <somerville32> There is a bug in the linux kernel that prevents xfce4-battery-plugin from compiling and I'd like to have this merge done for the next alpha because it contains important patches we'd like tested. Basically, apm_event{,info}_t are userspace types but they got hidden behind #ifdef __KERNEL__ by mistake in commit ee8e7cfe9d330d6f1ce0b9b1620d6df5d9cf6b70
[21:22] <somerville32> I was wondering if the kernel team would be willing to apply the very non-invasive patch to correct this issue in the mean time since xfce4-battery-plugin isn't the only package FTBFS because of this.
[21:23] <maks_> is upstream notified?
[21:23] <somerville32> There is a thread on fa.linux.kernel
[21:24] <somerville32> Andrew Morton commented on it on the 12th
[21:28] <rtg_> somerville32: this is in apm_bios.h ?
[21:28] <somerville32> rtg_, yup
[21:29] <rtg_> somerville32: those 2 lines just need to be moved above '#ifdef __KERNEL__' ?
[21:29] <somerville32> Correct
[21:30] <rtg_> do you think it will happen upstream during the 2.6.24-rc window?
[21:32] <somerville32> There is nothing to indicate to me that it will but I have no metric for answering that question.
[21:32] <rtg_> somerville32: develop a patch and send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so I don't forget it.
[21:32] <somerville32> Ok
[21:33] <somerville32> Should I file a bug too?
[21:33] <rtg_> nah, seems trivial enough. especially during the development cycle.
[21:35] <somerville32> How long do you think this will take. I'd really like to be able to include xfce4-battery-plugin in Alpha 2
[21:35] <rtg_> somerville32: I'll have it in before then. probably Monday.
[21:36] <somerville32> ok, thanks
[21:48] <somerville32> Ok
[21:48] <somerville32> e-mail sent
[21:49] <_MMA_> somerville32: Forget a subject there? ;)
[21:49] <somerville32> : (
[21:50] <somerville32> Now I feel like a loser.


[14:19] <Pici> As per this mailing lis thread, this channel now forwards to #ubuntu-cloud : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-August/004495.html


[09:29] <ppisati> anyone with a beagle xm around?
[09:29] <ppisati> i want to rule out a hw issue
[13:51] <diwic> ogra_, what's the output of "alsaucm listcards"?
[13:52] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ alsaucm listcards
[13:52] <ogra_> Im setting defaults
[13:52] <ogra_>   0: SDP4430
[13:52] <diwic> ogra_, that "Im settings defaults" is annoying. I'm sure that if we just correct "Im" to "I'm", sound will start to work ;-)
[13:53] <diwic> what's the output of "alsaucm list SDP4430"?
[13:53] <ogra_> lol
[13:53] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ alsaucm list SDP4430
[13:53] <ogra_> Im setting defaults
[13:53] <ogra_> alsaucm: error failed to get list SDP4430: No such file or directory
[13:56] <diwic> ogra_, how about "alsaucm list _verbs" or "alsaucm list _enadevs"?
[13:57] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596013/
[13:57] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ alsaucm list _enadevs
[13:57] <ogra_> Im setting defaults
[13:57] <ogra_> alsaucm: error failed to get list _enadevs: Invalid argument
[14:01] <diwic> alsaucm set _verb HiFi
[14:01] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ alsaucm set _verb HiFi
[14:01] <ogra_> Im setting defaults
[14:01] <diwic> pasuspender -- speaker-test -c 2 -t sine -D plughw:SDP4430
[14:02] <diwic> any sound?
[14:02] <ogra_> hmm, that needs me to be near the board and listen, right ?
[14:02] <diwic> right
[14:02]  * ogra_ is remotely logged into the board, i need to move over to the office, one moment
[14:03] <ogra_> i see it doing stuff on the cmdline though
[14:07]  * ogra hugs diwic
[14:07] <ogra> works !
[14:07] <diwic> ogra, great :-)
[14:07] <ogra> so its the alsaucm set _verb HiFi we need ?
[14:07] <ogra> let me reboot the board and see if it persists
[14:09] <diwic> ogra, likely needs to be set on every boot - might persist a reboot but not a complete power-off with capacitors unloaded etc
[14:09] <ogra> hmm, i will test that too
[14:10] <ogra> it wouldnt be a prob to have a one time call of it in our first boot config tool
[14:10] <ogra> putting it in place for every boot is more effort
[14:11] <diwic> ogra, the point is that the PA UCM stuff should make it possible to set these verbs from PA.
[14:11] <ogra> aha, after reboot the UI only has HDMI again
[14:12] <ogra> hmm, no
[14:14] <diwic> ogra, does the other verbs in the list make sense to you?
[14:14] <diwic> voice low power etc
[14:15] <ogra> yep. omap4/panda is a mobile development platform
[14:16] <ogra> all the verbs make sense there
[14:16] <ogra> i'm trying a reboot with "alsaucm set _verb HiFi" in rc.local, lets see what comes out there
[14:16] <diwic> ogra, so question is if "HiFi" is the correct one to set at boot (if we should set anything at all at boot)
[14:16] <ogra> seems pulse isnt picking it up without a restart
[14:17] <ogra> we want to default to headphone on boot, so hifi is fine
[14:17] <ogra> the prob is that people wanting to use HDMI sound will have to hack it up
[14:17] <ogra> else we reset their sound every boot
[14:18] <diwic> is HDMI going through the SDP4430 as well, or is it something separate?
[14:19] <ogra> not sure, i think its going through the same chip
[14:20] <diwic> aplay -l
[14:21] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596025/
[14:23] <diwic> ogra, looks like HDMI is on a separate sound card, probably not using UCM at all, and should not be affected by the "_verb HiFi" stuff
[14:23] <ogra> k
[14:25] <ogra> ok. adding the line to rc.local (and actually writing hifi with a capital F) gets me working sound OOTB
[14:26] <ogra> diwic, so do you think its safe to pull in the pulse package with the patches ? i can care for addint an upstart script or some such that sets the default (or a udev rule)
[14:27] <diwic> ogra, I'm not following, pull to where? The main ubuntu archive?
[14:29] <ogra> diwic, well, the pulse packages with the TI patches werent uploaded yet
[14:29] <ogra> and we only have two days left to do so
[14:30] <ogra> ... getting sound to work this time is kind of important since we already failed with that last release
[14:30] <diwic> ogra, a udev rule sounds like a good solution for setting the default verb
[14:31] <ogra> k
[14:31] <diwic> ogra, well, before we pull them in, we should get them working - do you think they are working?
[14:32] <ogra> i got sound, thats enough imh ;)
[14:32] <ogra> *imho
[14:32] <ogra> with the rc.loacl entry at least
[14:32] <diwic> ogra, yeah, but that does not need the PA patches
[14:33] <diwic> alsaucm is at the alsa-lib level
[14:33] <ogra> are you sure ?
[14:33]  * ogra reverts to the archive pulse version, gimme a few min
[14:33] <diwic> hmm, good question :-)
[14:34] <ogra> gar
[14:34] <ogra> now i rteinstalled pulse on my laptop :P
[14:35] <ogra> grmbl
[14:35]  * ogra whacks apt over the head
[14:36] <diwic> oh, trying to downgrade PulseAudio?
[14:36] <ogra> well, it has a ~ppa version
[14:36] <ogra> apt should respect that
[14:37] <ogra> sigh
[14:37] <diwic> ogra, see your email, got it from Conor who had managed to downgrade pulseaudio after several rounds in the padded cell
[14:39] <diwic> ogra, that's what he had to do - you should probably skip the modules you do not use
[14:39] <ogra> grmbl, it complains about packages i dont even have installed
[14:39] <ogra> bah, sigh, a version for every single package ?
[14:40] <diwic> ogra, guess you could make a shell variable
[14:40] <diwic> for the version number
[14:40] <ogra> yeah
[14:42] <ogra> k, that seems to work
[14:42] <ogra> will take a while ... slow SD card
[14:43] <ogra> diwic, in any case i think the pulse patches are important for UI exposure, you wont be able to select if you want HiFi or HDMI output without them
[14:44] <ogra> but we'll see
[14:46]  * ogra scratches head ... why the heck does pulse trigger update-initramfs ?
[14:54] <ogra> diwic, ok, seems it works without the patches too
[14:54] <diwic> ogra, how does it look in pulse now? One soundcard or two?
[14:54] <ogra> the default selected output in the UI is HDMI though
[14:54] <ogra> two cards
[14:54] <diwic> great
[14:54] <ogra> sound playing from headphone ...
[14:55] <ogra> but if i open the UI it shows HDMI as the selected output device
[14:55] <diwic> how are you playing the sound?
[14:55] <ogra> if i switch back and forth and leave HDMI the default, sound is dead
[14:55] <ogra> if i switch back to SDP its fine then
[14:56] <ogra> i'm hitting back in the terminal to hear the kbd bell
[14:56] <ogra> and i use the test speakers button in the UI
[14:56] <diwic> ok
[14:56] <ogra> i'll try banshee too later, but i dont think we'll have issues there
[14:57] <ogra> a udev rule should live in alsa or pulse though
[14:57] <ogra> (i can indeed add one as a hack but i would prefer not to)
[14:59] <diwic> ogra, I wasn't exactly following what the "sound is dead" thing was
[14:59] <ogra> by default the UI shows HDMI as selected output device
[15:00] <ogra> while its using SDP
[15:00] <ogra> if i switch the radio button to SDP and back to HDMI, sound on the headphone is dead
[15:00] <diwic> hmm, that's strange, I'm assuming you haven't messed around with pavucontrol?
[15:00] <ogra> nope
[15:01] <ogra> its just showing a wronmg default on first start is what i meant to say
[15:01] <ogra> banshee works fine
[15:01] <diwic> ok, that would be my conclusion as well
[15:01] <diwic> but I don't recognize that problem from anywhere else, seems strange
[15:02] <ogra> well, a bug we can surely release with
[15:02] <diwic> you might want to make sure recording is working as well
[15:03] <diwic> that might need an additional verb...?
[15:03] <ogra> hmm, the UI doesnt offer me *any* input devices
[15:04] <ogra> i have mono and stereo outputs for SDP and a stereo output for HDMI
[15:04] <diwic> could you tell me what physical inputs and outputs there are on this card?
[15:05] <ogra> only a mic jack ...
[15:05] <ogra> i'm not sure there are additional inputs on the expansion header though
[15:05] <ogra> but getting the mic jack to work should be enough
[15:05] <ogra> there seems to be a recod verb
[15:06] <ogra> aha
[15:07] <ogra> alsaucm set _verb Record
[15:07] <ogra> that gets me duplex support in SDP
[15:07] <diwic> ogra, question is if they are exclusive, so "HiFi" turns off record and vice versa
[15:07] <ogra> they arent it seems i constantly listen to radio from banshee
[15:07] <diwic> cool
[15:07] <ogra> let me try a reboot and add it to rc.local
[15:08]  * ogra reboots
[15:10]  * ogra hears login sound
[15:12] <ogra> hmm, record doesnt seem to use the mic
[15:15] <diwic> how are you checking the mic?
[15:16] <ogra> i have my headset plugged in ... checking the meter in sound prefs and testing sound recorder
[15:16] <ogra> i have set it from record to Voice_Call now, lets see
[15:16] <ogra> instead of Record
[15:17] <ogra> still have a login sound it seems
[15:18] <ogra> hmmk
[15:18] <ogra> doesnt get my any input device at all
[15:19] <diwic> It's interesting that the verb affects what devices show up in PA.
[15:21] <ogra> well, no matter which one i set, i dont seem to be able to get input
[15:21] <ogra> i would be willing to live without though, if we dont find a solution
[15:21] <ogra> only Record actually gets me duplex support
[15:22] <ogra> but it seems to not be routed to the mic jack
[15:22] <ogra> or its muted on alsa level
[15:22] <diwic> alsaucm should unmute the relevant things...but everything can be buggy of course
[15:22] <ogra> yeah
[15:23] <ogra> well, having playback at release is a massive improvement already
[15:23] <ogra> is there any reason why alsaucm requires these ugly underscores ?
[15:24] <diwic> ogra, No idea - I just figured them out by reading the source code...
[15:25] <diwic> could you give me the output of arecord -l ?
[15:27] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596061/
[15:30] <diwic> ogra, hmm, from what you know about this board, would you suspect the mic jack is at "9 DMIC capture" or "11 Analog capture"? I'm suspecting 11 as the "D" in "DMIC" might suggest a digital mic is needed
[15:30] <ogra> right, i would say that too
[15:31] <diwic> was recording working with the init scripts we had in maverick?
[15:31] <ogra> no
[15:32] <diwic> ok
[15:32] <ogra> and we never really had the full implementation in maverick
[15:32] <ogra> only parts of it
[15:34] <diwic> what is the output of "amixer -D hw:SDP4430"?
[15:36] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596064/
[15:39] <diwic> ogra, hrm, you'll almost need the datasheet of the SDP4430 for that to make sense...is that available?
[15:39] <ogra> ndec, sebjan ^^^^ ?
[15:39] <ogra> do we have one for the sound chip ?
[15:40] <ogra> i know there are several papers but i'm not sure the sound is covered
[15:42] <diwic> ogra, found something on google, claiming it's connected to a TWL6040 chip, is that correct?
[15:42] <ogra> i think there was 6040 in one of the pastes
[15:43] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596025/ yep
[15:43] <diwic> right that's on channel 11 as well
[15:45] <diwic> the twl6040 has one "Analoc mic" and one "Headset mic". Can you verify which one you have connected your mic to?
[15:45] <ogra> heh, not really
[15:45] <ogra> there is nothing printed on the jack
[15:45] <ogra> on the PCB it just says headphone
[15:46] <ogra> which might or might not be the headset mic
[15:48] <diwic> it seems to be the headset mic
[15:48] <diwic> from looking at the schematics ;-)
[15:50] <ogra> :)
[15:51] <diwic> assuming you have the "record" verb fixed, could you try this command
[15:51] <diwic> pasuspender -- arecord -D plughw:SDP4430 -f cd -d 10
[15:51] <diwic> sorry
[15:52] <ogra> prints garbage
[15:52] <diwic> pasuspender -- arecord -D plughw:SDP4430 -f cd -d 10 /tmp/test.wav
[15:52] <diwic> and then speak into the mic for 10 seconds
[15:53] <ogra> papplay only revels silence
[15:54] <ogra> *reveals
[15:54] <diwic> ok
[15:54] <ogra> and i have overrun!!! (at least 16.473 ms long)
[15:54] <ogra> twice
[15:54] <diwic> hrm
[15:55] <diwic> I think you should talk to TI about what verb you should use for recording from mic and then try my above command to record
[15:55] <ogra> k
[15:55] <diwic> My time is about up
[15:55] <diwic> But at least we got some playback :-)
[15:55] <ogra> well, can we add the udev rule to at least get HiFi in ?
[15:55] <ogra> i guess that should go into alsa or pulse
[15:56] <diwic> if so, alsa - not pulse
[15:56] <ogra> right
[15:56] <diwic> if you get the mic working on alsa level, we can consider the pulse stuff, but if it ain't working on the alsa level, it won't work on the additional pulse layer either.
[15:57] <ogra> right
[15:57] <diwic> good you called upon me for this, I thought it was all okay.
[15:57] <ogra> i thought you had the bug on your radar
[15:57] <ogra> but i somehow assumed the same for the TI devs
[15:58] <ogra> i'm babbling on the bug since a while with my unsuccessfull findings
[15:58] <diwic> but if you ask me, I'm happy for having a udev rule added
[15:58] <diwic> such a rule should be trivial and non-invasive
[15:59] <ogra> k, i'll try to come up with a one liner until tomorrow morning
[15:59] <ogra> that should be enough to make the release
[15:59] <ogra> given that hiFi is enough for now
[15:59] <diwic> you can probably match against ATTRS{id}=="SDP4430"
[15:59] <ogra> yeah
[16:00] <diwic> yeah and see if you can get the mic working with the help of the TI folks
[16:00] <ogra> ATTRS{id}=="SDP4430" IMPORT{program}="alsaucm set _verb HiFi"
[16:00] <ogra> should that work ?
[16:00] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I saw your call earlier for a beaglexm, what's up?
[16:02] <diwic> ogra, I would have tried this, but I'm not a udev expert: ATTRS{id}=="SDP4430", RUN+="alsaucm set _verb HiFi" ?
[16:02] <ogra> ah, right, RUN
[16:03] <ogra> IMPORT will hand over the return value to the caller
[16:03] <diwic> ok, let's talk more tomorrow, gotta go.
[16:03] <ogra> diwic, i think we'll keep recording for a possible SRU if i dont find a way to make it work tonight, should i attach the one liner to the bug ?
[16:04] <diwic> ogra, yes and preferrably as a debdiff against the relevant package
[16:04] <ogra> ok, will prepare everything
[16:04] <diwic> ogra, and maybe poke TheMuso about it if he's awake when you are
[16:05] <ogra> GrueMaster, something to test for you, add: ATTRS{id}=="SDP4430", RUN+="alsaucm set _verb HiFi" to /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-alsa.rules before persistent_alsa_end and reboot, see (hear) if you have sound then on panda
[16:05] <ogra> diwic, will, do, many many thanks for the help !!!
[16:05] <GrueMaster> ogra: Any other changes/packages to install first?
[16:06] <ogra> GrueMaster, no ! thats the awesome bit :)
[16:06] <ogra> we already have working sound since ages, UCM is just not initialized
[16:07] <ogra> well, your panda should be up to date indeed :)
[16:21] <GrueMaster> Trying now on yesterday's image.
[16:22] <ogra_> did you try headless since beta btw ?
[16:22]  * ogra_ hasnt and has a suspicion that the ppa stuff breaks jasper on headless
[16:23] <GrueMaster> ppa stuff?  I haven't had a change as my pandas were doing Maverick -> Natty upgrade tests (not recommended on SD BTW).
[16:24] <ogra_> yeah, there was a fix to the ppa handling in jasper added after beta
[16:25] <ogra_> i think it might fail if the target dir doesnt exists (which it likely doesnt without any desktop packages)
[16:25] <ogra_> dont worry, i'll test myself tomorrow and fix if my suspicion is true
[16:28] <GrueMaster> No sound here.
[16:28] <GrueMaster> Panda 2.0
[16:28] <ogra_> really ?!?
[16:28] <GrueMaster> Lower jack, right?
[16:28] <ogra_> yes
[16:29] <ogra_> do you see the SDP4430 in the sound prefs ?
[16:29] <GrueMaster> no
[16:29] <ogra_> sigh
[16:29] <ogra_> try calling: alsaucm set _verb HiFi
[16:30] <ogra_> from a terminal (close the sound prefs first)
[16:30] <ogra_> and killal pulseaudio
[16:30] <ogra_> then start the sound prefs again
[16:30] <ogra_> see if that changes it, probably udev initializes it to late
[16:32] <ogra_> if i add that line to rc.local here, it makes output work fine
[16:35] <GrueMaster> rebooting.  Typo in udev rule.  (oops).
[16:35] <ogra_> phew
[16:39] <GrueMaster> pulseaudio is crashing now.  Need to look into it.
[16:39] <ogra_> hrm
[16:41] <ogra_> does alsaucm list _verbs get you a list of use cases ?
[16:42] <ogra_> (it should spit out 8 use cases)
[16:43] <ogra_> also alsaucm listcards
[16:43] <ogra_> whould list the SDP4430
[16:43] <ogra_> *should
[16:46]  * ogra_ doesnt get why it works flawless for him
[16:49] <ogra_> GrueMaster, oh, there was a kernel upgrade i havent installed yet, i wonder if something went wrong with the tree merge wrt alsa/ucm
[16:49] <GrueMaster> Do you have the pulseaudio from the ppa installed or the base image stuff?
[16:49] <ogra_> all archive
[16:52]  * ogra_ fires off a dist-upgrade
[16:52] <GrueMaster> pulseaudio is crashing here with main.c: Daemon startup failed.  Going to dive in and see why.
[16:52] <GrueMaster> What is your image based on?  Beta2?
[16:52] <ogra_> well, what do you get from the alsaucm commands ?
[16:52] <ogra_> yes, its my peta2 test install
[16:52] <GrueMaster> alsaucm is fne.
[16:52] <GrueMaster> fine
[16:53] <ogra_> so you get the list and also get the soundcard listed ?
[16:53] <GrueMaster> (caffeine is building up)
[16:53] <GrueMaster> yes
[16:53] <ogra_> weird
[16:53] <ogra_> pulse shouldnt crash
[16:53] <GrueMaster> But pulseaudio is segfaulting.
[16:53] <ogra_> check syslog
[16:53]  * ogra_ goes to get coffee before the call
[16:55] <GrueMaster> which call?
[16:55] <GrueMaster> Linaro?
[16:58] <ogra> yep
[16:59] <GrueMaster> I'm skipping out.  QA CoP meeting in :30
[16:59] <ogra> k
[17:12] <diwic_afk> ogra, might want to try  pasuspender -- arecord -D plughw:SDP4430,11 -f cd -d 10 /tmp/test.wav
[17:12] <diwic_afk> as an option to the previous command
[17:13] <ogra> will do (my mic is occupied by a meeting atm :) )
[17:18] <ndec> ogra: there are problems on panda with the input mic. prpplague might know more than me on that.
[17:20] <prpplague> ndec: the audio input is actually configured as a mono line-in currently
[17:20] <ogra> ndec, ah, ok, should the Record usecase be the right one then ?
[17:20] <prpplague> you should be able to record using it as a line in
[17:26] <GrueMaster> ogra: Not seeing an issue with headless on omap4.
[17:26] <ogra> k, thanks
[18:12] <GrueMaster> ogra: On my panda audio, I am seeing good indicators for asoc early in the dmesg log, but later on I am getting asoc:  machine hw_params failed followed by a series of specific asoc failures.
[18:13] <ogra_> weird, i dont have such issues here
[18:13] <ogra_> the alsaucm call should definitely set up everything for you
[18:14] <GrueMaster> I even removed that line from udev.  Still getting it.  Not sure why.  See http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/syslog.gz
[18:15] <ogra_> your syslog looks fine
[18:15] <GrueMaster> I may have a theory.  Let me check something.
[18:16] <ogra_>  asoc: no valid backend routes for PCM: SDP4430 Media should actually go away if alsaucm was initialized
[18:16] <ogra_> i have that as well here until the card is properly initialized
[18:17] <ogra_> the others are not errors
[18:20] <GrueMaster> Do you still have /usr/share/alsa/init/omap4?
[18:21] <ogra_> no
[18:21] <ogra_> that was dropped from alsa
[18:21] <ogra_> do you ?
[18:21] <GrueMaster> Ok, because you said you were on the beta 2 image.
[18:21] <ogra_> it shouldnt be there
[18:21] <GrueMaster> It is in beta 2, not yesterday's image.
[18:21] <ogra_> upgarded to whatever was recent on monday
[18:22] <ogra_> and just upgrading again
[18:22] <GrueMaster> Check if the file is still on your system please.  Upgrading doesn't delete it necessarily.
[18:22] <ogra_> it has to, else that would be a massive dpkg bug :)
[18:22] <ogra_> but for your convenience ...
[18:22] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ ls /usr/share/alsa/init/omap4
[18:22] <ogra_> ls: cannot access /usr/share/alsa/init/omap4: No such file or directory
[18:26] <ogra_> lool, ping
[18:27] <ogra_> GrueMaster, did you recently upgrade the kernel on your panda ?
[18:28] <GrueMaster> I just did.  This is yesterday's (20110418) image now rebooting with kernel & other updates.
[18:28] <GrueMaster> (forgot to run flash-kernel after updating).
[18:28] <ogra_> ??
[18:28] <ogra_> the postinst runs that
[18:29] <GrueMaster> Yea, sure it does.
[18:29] <GrueMaster> (not on mine).
[18:29] <ogra_> UGH !
[18:29] <ogra_> do we have a bug for that ?
[18:30] <GrueMaster> Kernel was released last night.  I just upgraded and (5 minutes ago) saw that the new kernel was installed but not in the u-boot partition.  Simple answer - NO.  Give me some time.
[18:30] <ogra_> but flash-kernel ran fine when you executed it manually ?
[18:30] <GrueMaster> Ok, pulse is happy now with the new kernel.
[18:31] <GrueMaster> Yes it did.
[18:32] <ogra_> weird, i didnt have the new kernel here but it worked
[18:33] <GrueMaster> I was running 38-1207 when I was seeing the error, after manually running flash-kernel I am now on 38-1208 kernel.
[18:33] <GrueMaster> And audio is happy (so far - testing actual output next).
[18:34] <GrueMaster> works now.
[18:35] <ogra_> wohoo
[18:36] <GrueMaster> I'm starting over with yesterday's image to see if I can pinpoint the issues, especially with the kernel update.
[18:36] <ogra_> yeah
[18:36] <GrueMaster> (the joys of having two systems).
[18:37] <ogra_> i have seen an umount error in flash-kernel during my tests, thats why i brought it up
[18:37] <ogra_> doesnt happen anymore though
[18:38] <ogra_> i wonder if we should change umount to umount -l in the script
[18:38] <GrueMaster> not sure.
[18:38] <GrueMaster> Script is getting an overhaul though.  May not be necessary.
[18:39] <ogra_> GrueMaster, btw, you are aware that we have an --update-bootloader function on flash-kernel ?
[18:39]  * ogra_ remembers you saying something about bootloader updates
[18:39] <GrueMaster> That was either Karmic or Lucid on babbage.
[18:40] <GrueMaster> I could look up the bug if you like.
[18:40] <ogra_> ah, no, dont care :P
[18:40] <GrueMaster> Bug 365053
[18:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 365053 in flash-kernel "On armel (Babbage platform), kernel image upgrading breaks if Ubiquity is instructed not to install a bootloader" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365053
[18:40] <GrueMaster> (I had the list open)
[18:40] <ogra_> ah, that one
[18:40] <ogra_> ancient crap
[18:41] <ogra_> must have been karmic
[18:42] <ogra_> no babbge in lucid iirc
[18:42] <GrueMaster> yes there was.
[18:42] <ogra_> hrm
[18:42] <ogra_> right, we dropped it in maverick
[18:42] <GrueMaster> Babbage & dove.  omap was an after-sprint bringup.
[18:43] <ogra_> yeah, "tech preview image" and totally unsupported :)
[18:43] <GrueMaster> Which reminds me, I had a notice in my inbox that ppsati was working on a Lucid omap bug.  Can you tell hime to not care?
[18:44] <GrueMaster> Bug 588243
[18:44] <ogra_> ppisati, stop caring !
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588243 in linux-ti-omap "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-ti-omap-2.6.33/drivers/video/omap2/dss/core.c:323! " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588243
[18:44] <ogra_> :)
[18:44] <ogra_> i saw the bugmail too
[18:49] <GrueMaster> I'm marking it as won't fix.  Lucid was a demo release on omap anyways.  I don't think we are on the hook for it, as it only supported Beagle C4.
[18:50] <ogra_> yeah
[18:50] <ogra_> good move
[19:05] <ndec> ogra: on which package should we report bugs on the installer?
[19:06] <ogra_> depends, when does your issue occur ?
[19:07] <ogra_> everything after first reboot is ubiquity ... everything before first reboot is jasper
[19:08] <ndec> ogra: ok. that answers it... i am just answering to someone on pandaboard ML,and wanted to ask to report bugs on LP...
[19:09] <ogra_> the jasper package is actually jasper-initramfs
[19:13] <GrueMaster> Yea for undecipherable ubiquity failures.  My oem-config crashed hard for some reason.  Probable a fs error, but no real indication.
[19:14] <GrueMaster> Ah there it is, two pages up in syslog:  mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command, response 0x900, card status 0xe00
[19:15] <GrueMaster> grmbl.
[19:15] <ndec> ogra: just fyi. http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/aa46ddf46df2d946
[19:17] <GrueMaster> ndec: That looks normal, but I have been seeing some odd SD failures lately.  Not reproducable, just seemingly random.
[19:18] <GrueMaster> Usually flashing SD over a different image will cause this (i.e. if I had kubuntu on there previously).
[19:19] <GrueMaster> reflashing seems to clear it up.
[19:54] <lool> ogra_: "pong"
[19:56] <rsalveti> jcrigby: ogra_: tested the u-boot fix on B5 and it's now working fine with all beagle revisions
[19:56] <rsalveti> jcrigby: so I believe we should fix this asap, if still possible for natty
[19:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: do you know if we can we still upload package fixes?
[20:07] <jcrigby> rsalveti, if ogra_ could do the upload that would be great
[20:07] <jcrigby> or we can ask some other person with upload rights
[20:08] <rsalveti> ogra_: janimo: NCommander: anyone? ^
[20:09] <rsalveti> need someone to sponsor an u-boot update, that has a fix for beagle b5
[20:12] <janimo> rsalveti, link?
[20:13] <janimo> I'll get around to it in the next few hours unless someone else grabs it
[20:13] <rsalveti> bug 760350
[20:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 760350 in u-boot-linaro "2011.03 doesn't boot anymore on Beagle B5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760350
[20:13] <rsalveti> code https://code.launchpad.net/~jcrigby/ubuntu/natty/u-boot-linaro/new-
[20:13] <rsalveti> proposed-2011.04.2
[20:13] <rsalveti> jcrigby: is this the one to merge?
[20:14] <janimo> so basically needs a merge to main u-boot tree in LP?
[20:14] <janimo> then upload a package?
[20:14] <jcrigby> https://code.launchpad.net/~jcrigby/ubuntu/natty/u-boot-linaro/new-proposed-2011.04.2
[20:14] <jcrigby> yes
[20:14] <janimo> were there deps tested as well?
[20:15] <janimo> jcrigby, debs I meant
[20:15] <GrueMaster> Gahhh.  oem-config has crashed 5 times now on 3 different SD cards (different brands, sizes, & speeds).  This is getting very frustrating.
[20:15] <GrueMaster> And it is only the netbook image that crashes.
[20:15] <janimo> GrueMaster, core dumped?
[20:15] <GrueMaster> And not always.
[20:15] <GrueMaster> No
[20:15] <jcrigby> rsalveti, its new-proposed, the old proposed was deleted
[20:15] <rsalveti> janimo: yes, I tested the produced debs with my beagles and panda
[20:19] <GrueMaster> I wonder if this is causing the problem:  ubiquity: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[20:22] <GrueMaster> Hmmm.  /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old:  Segmentation fault at address 0x1be
[20:25] <GrueMaster> Beyond that, I am not seeing anything tangable.
[20:28] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: is this with panda?
[20:28] <GrueMaster> yes.
[20:31] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: do you know if you're always getting the seg fault at the xserver?
[20:31] <rsalveti> or it breaks randomly?
[20:32] <GrueMaster> No.  Sometimes I get SDIO errors.  This was the first time I saw the sxerver segfault.  I'm not sure where the issue is, as it is random.
[20:32] <GrueMaster> Watching oem-config run is like watching water boil.
[20:33] <GrueMaster> It would be nice if there was a log level that could be tweaked to show each stage in the log.  Might be easier to track down that way.
[20:34] <GrueMaster> The symptom I am seeing is after oem-config takes user-input, it starts configuring things.  Next time I glance over (5 monitors remember), it is back at the start of oem-config.
[20:35] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: any error or warning at the kernel log for this time you got a crash at the xserver?
[20:36] <GrueMaster> Nope.
[20:36] <GrueMaster> At least not this last time.
[20:37] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: which image are you testing? will try to run the installer with different sd cards to see if I can reproduce this problem
[20:38] <GrueMaster> Yesterdays (20110418).
[20:38] <GrueMaster> But I saw it (less frequent) with beta 2.
[20:39] <rsalveti> ok, will give it a try
[20:40] <rsalveti> urgh, 27kB/s
[20:44] <GrueMaster> Copying installation logs...and fail.
[20:45] <GrueMaster> So right around where it goes to uninstall.
[20:56] <NCommander> rsalveti: can't easily sponsor at the moment (GPG smartcard support is hosed on my machine), unless its an absolute priority
[21:23] <jcrigby> rsalveti, if ogra is gone for the day and there is no one else that can merge/upload the uboot fix then slangasek can do it
[21:38] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Trying yet again.  This time with debug-oem-config.  It usually just passes with this setting, but we'll see,
[21:39] <rsalveti> jcrigby: sure, let's wait to see if janimo can help us, then we can ask slangasek later if needed
[21:39] <janimo> rsalveti, jcrigby I just came back
[21:39] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: still downloading here...
[21:39] <jcrigby> ok, thanks
[21:39] <janimo> I'll do the merge now
[21:39] <jcrigby> janimo, great! thanks
[21:40] <janimo> argh
[21:40] <janimo> ssh key issue.
[21:40] <janimo> I need to fix this now (I was hoping failing pushes to github were transitory, but apparently LP does not work either)
[21:44] <janimo> phew, ssh-add and it works. No idea why the agent got confused
[21:47] <FatTire> anyone else having regulatory domain issues in 11.04 on pandaboard?
[21:47] <GrueMaster> Hmmm.  It worked...sort of.  With debug-oem-config, it gets to the same failure point (copying configuration logs) and restarts X, only this time it booted into unity-2d.
[21:48] <FatTire> no?  Wifi works for everyone?
[21:49] <GrueMaster> oem-config is still installed (as is all of the other packages that it usually removes).   the oem-config.log indicates errors with dbus setting up gconf.
[21:52] <GrueMaster> ubiquity-dm may have been the cause of the segfault.  Not sure.  /var/log/installer/dm is very vague, as is Xorg.0.log.old.
[21:52] <GrueMaster> And no filesystem errors or sdio errors.
[21:54] <GrueMaster> It may be related to Bug #758910 but I have no crash logs to determine with.
[21:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 758910 in ubiquity "oem-config-remove-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_enable_synchronized_configure()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758910
[21:55] <rsalveti> could be
[21:57] <GrueMaster> Hmmm.  Looking at the changelog for the next release:* GTK frontend:
[21:57] <GrueMaster>     - Avoid a crash if the automatic partitioning page is never displayed.
[21:59] <GrueMaster> All this time wasted just to try to reproduce an issue with the linux-image update not running flash kernel.  What a PITA.
[22:02] <GrueMaster> That's what I thought.  Been on this now for 6 hours straight.
[22:07] <GrueMaster> And my original mission has just been reproduced:  updating kernel still does not run flash-kernel.
[22:19] <janimo> merged, but having issues with packaging (after all these years)
[22:19] <janimo> confused by u-boot-linaro having debian/ inside and having to create orig tarball by hand
[22:51] <janimo> jcrigby, rsalveti package uploaded and waiting for approval
[23:07] <rsalveti> janimo: awesome, thanks a lot
[23:08] <janimo> rsalveti, you're welcom