[00:05] <mikeconcepts> to  update that just became available for network-manager fixed the greyed out wireless issue
[00:05] <mikeconcepts> *the
[00:05] <BarkingFish> yofel, I figured out what the problem was.  The dkms module was still installed, but the issue is that when I upgrade to the next kernel, I have to run  dkms install to rebuild it for the next kernel up.
[00:06] <BarkingFish> I want to really automate that in some way, so when a new kernel comes along or a change is detected, it rebuilds automagically
[00:08] <yofel> BarkingFish: that is *supposed* to be automatic
[00:08] <yofel> I'll blame the broken dkms.conf for now
[00:08] <BarkingFish> the question is, how the heck do I fix it? :)
[00:08] <BarkingFish> i'd never even dabbled in dkms until this came along
[00:09] <yofel> well, you could try removing the new kernel, then install it again, and see if dkms auto-builds
[00:09] <yofel> which it *should* do
[00:09] <yofel> that's the whole point in using dkms
[00:10] <BarkingFish> frankly, having spoken to #kernel, the dkms is nothing to do with them, that's to do with us, and I propose outright that we dump it. I never had this much grief with ndiswrapper in its normal state :)
[00:10] <yofel> well, it works perfectly fine for any other dkms module I've used till now
[00:10] <BarkingFish> dkms... "don't know, might 'splode"
[00:11] <yofel> meaning virtualbox, nvidia and tp-smapi
[00:11] <BarkingFish> ever tried ndiswrapper on it?
[00:11] <yofel> I don't have a use for ndiswrapper - but as long as you can't confirm it's broken with the fixed ndiswrapper I would believe it'll work from now on
[00:12] <BarkingFish> i have about 8 years worth of experience as an end user of ndiswrapper, it being the only way I can get on the internet.  I don't know it's broken with the "fixed" ndiswrapper, until I update my kernel to the next one which comes along :)
[00:13] <BarkingFish> i do know that up until one week ago, when I went up to a <IP_ADDRESS>-35, ndiswrapper worked, and now it doesn't. Not properly, anyhow
[00:14] <yofel> well, don't aks me why they converted that
[00:14] <yofel> *ask
[00:14] <yofel> and from the build-on-demand solutions dkms is about the sanest one
[00:15] <BarkingFish> there was no need for a build on demand solution though, that's the problem.  It worked perfectly fine in its previous form.
[00:15] <BarkingFish> An insight into the developers mind... "OK, It works. Let's mess with it, break it, and then spend ages trying to fix it, when we needn't have broken it." :P
[00:16] <yofel> pretty accurate :D
[00:17]  * BarkingFish shakes his head, hits it on the keyboard and facepalms at fail :)
[00:18] <BarkingFish> thank the lord this is only a beta, let's hope stuff gets fixed prior to launch day
[00:19] <fall0ut> so
[00:20] <fall0ut> whats wrong with fakeraid support in the installer>
[00:20] <fall0ut> dmraid drives don't show up at all
[00:20] <fall0ut> even in the daily
[00:23] <fall0ut> go to console activate dmraid (dmraid -aY) and click next for drive selection etc
[00:24] <fall0ut> and partman/70update_partitions and 20detected_filesystem hangs
[00:28] <bjsnider> BarkingFish, in 8 years you couldn't find hardware that has a good native linux driver?
[00:29] <bjsnider> come on, man
[00:29] <BarkingFish> bjsnider, i've tried 10 wifi adapters, 8 different chipsets, and no native drivers which work them
[00:29] <BarkingFish> frankly, ndiswrapper has been the only solution I've been able to get to work
[00:30] <bjsnider> ever hear of atheros?
[00:30] <BarkingFish> yes, I did. My current USB Wifi adapter has an atheros chipset, and the native driver which "should" support it, doesn't.
[00:30] <bjsnider> BarkingFish, ok, i will tell you which one to buy
[00:31] <bjsnider> i have it right here
[00:31] <BarkingFish> ok
[00:31] <bjsnider> it is flawless
[00:31] <bjsnider> hold on a minute while i find it
[00:31] <BarkingFish> cheers
[00:32] <bjsnider> airlink 101 AWLL3026/NA
[00:32] <bjsnider> it should be cheap too
[00:32] <BarkingFish> I would assume I can get that for a European setup
[00:32] <bjsnider> i don't know
[00:32] <BarkingFish> The AWLL3026 is on the North American regulatory system
[00:32] <bjsnider> it's a usb device with a good driver
[00:33] <BarkingFish> i don't know if the frequencies are the same as the UK
[00:33] <bjsnider> just get a euro device with that chip
[00:33] <BarkingFish> bjsnider, could you give me the VID/PID for it please?
[00:33] <bjsnider> no
[00:34] <bjsnider> i don't want to load it because it will bring in all of the wifi-related modules like mac80211 and whatnot
[00:34] <BarkingFish> ah
[00:34] <bjsnider> you can google it
[00:34] <BarkingFish> ok
[00:43] <BarkingFish> got it, bjsnider - VID:0ace, PID:1211 - and unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a UK version of it. I'll see if I can locate something with the same chipset though
[00:52] <pilotbub> can someone help with STA drivers
[00:52] <bazhang> !details | pilotbub
[00:52] <pilotbub> trying to activate wireless nic
[00:52] <pilotbub> broadcom STA driver
[00:52] <BarkingFish> !broadcom
[00:53] <pilotbub> got a patch cable and doing an upgrade will that fix it
[00:53] <BarkingFish> oops, wrong one, sorry
[00:53] <bazhang> pilotbub, check the broadcom link
[00:53] <BarkingFish> or maybe not
[00:53] <BarkingFish> :)
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> did pilotbub get sorted out?
[01:39] <agentsoul> how to exclude some folder from the DASH search? p mode for 12.04
[01:40] <pangolin> perhaps make them hidden by adding a . to the foldername
[01:40] <pangolin> i.e. .Downloads
[01:41] <pangolin> or .whatever
[01:41] <rfm> I'm having problems with nfs shares not being mounted at boot time.  searching launchpad shows #972214 which suggests configuring the (static) ip in /etc/network/interfaces.  This would work fine for me (only one interface in this system, wired) but should I un-install network-manager to keep it from trying to handle the interfaces?
[01:42] <rfm> (this is a xubuntu desktop system, if it matters, which I doubt)
[01:43] <agentsoul> . something with p
[01:44] <agentsoul> is working thanks, but it would be nice to have it as a feature to exclude some stuff from search
[01:44] <agentsoul> thanks
[01:49] <pilotbub> ok the system says STA is installed but still no wireless
[01:52] <pilotbub> how can it be this bad
[01:53] <pilotbub> dont business use this "software"
[01:53] <pangolin> pilotbub, what version of Ubuntu are you running right now?
[01:53] <pilotbub> im running the one with broken wifi
[01:53] <pilotbub> the pathetic one
[01:54] <pangolin> version number, not your definition
[01:54] <pangolin> I already warned you about crossposting. having an issue in one version does not mean the issue exists in an other
[01:55] <pilotbub> the issue is ubuntu is a nightmare
[01:55] <pangolin> pilotbub, try arch
[01:55] <pangolin> but if I see you cross posting again i will ban you from both channels.
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: its not, you have one of the most abundant an cheap wifi chips around
[01:56] <pilotbub> all i ask is hammer down the wifi before you start stealing docks
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: the additional drivers app does the work for you, you may have to blacklist a driver module or two but they are simple to get going
[01:56] <pilotbub> well it says its installed but nothing is showing up anywhere
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: if you run:  sudo iwlist scan    do you see wireless networks?
[01:57] <pilotbub> no
[01:58] <BarkingFish> do you see anything under iwconfig?
[01:58] <pilotbub> no wireless extensions
[01:59] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: if you run:  dmesg | grep -i firm    do you get messages about firmware missing?
[02:00] <pilotbub> cant copy that
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: just type it then
[02:01] <wojox> omg
[02:04]  * snadge loves his working wifi :p
[02:04] <snadge> pilotbub: have you tried turning the wifi on?
[02:05] <snadge> some netbooks/laptops have a function/wifi button which will turn it off and on
[02:06] <snadge> i was a noob once and spent about an hour or two trying to figure out why wifi was working in windows.. but not ubuntu.. until someone else suggested i tried turning it on ;)
[02:06] <pilotbub> this driver is activated and currently in use...
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: what does the command I last give output?
[02:07] <snadge> yeah the driver would load.. but no networks would appear
[02:07] <snadge> i could associate with the ap.. i could even see the ap.. or get an ip address etc
[02:07] <pilotbub> x264 performance is poor
[02:07] <snadge> s/could/couldn't
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: try:  echo "blacklist bcma" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf > /dev/null
[02:13] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: also try: echo "b43" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/193150   see #3 here
[02:22] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: reboot to test once you make the changes
[02:25] <pilotbub> still no wireless
[02:26] <pilotbub> now its saying install drivers what a load of shite
[02:27] <pilotbub> stupid thing has an icon in the taskbar saying install drivers
[02:28] <pilotbub> finally an OS for Africa to be embarrassed about
[02:32] <Theta_Ray> oh hey look a release schedule
[02:32] <Theta_Ray> AWesome.
[02:32] <Theta_Ray> That answers my question before it was even asked.
[02:33] <Theta_Ray> I'm looking forward to the next LTS release! I installed Ubuntu 11.10 on a cobbled together box earlier today and i really like it
[02:34] <Theta_Ray> Messed around for 20 minutes getting a feel for things. I've been told the next LTS iteration is quite good so this gives me something to look forward to nearing the end of the month.
[02:34] <Theta_Ray> Thanks for all your hard work for us poors of the world.
[02:37] <snadge> i can afford to run windows.. and macos x.. financially that is
[02:37] <snadge> its the cost to my sanity that i cant afford :p
[02:42] <phrakt> hi guys, did anyone else just run an update and have their close, minimize, and maximize buttons moved over to the right?
[02:42] <|Slacker|> hello
[02:42] <|Slacker|> how can I fix this: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[02:47] <|Slacker|> nevermind, I guess I fixed it
[02:57] <snadge> hmm.. latest upgrade wants to remove unity.. why? :P
[02:59] <ActionParsnip> snadge: are there any bugs reported?
[03:02] <snadge> im just dowing another package update.. it could be a repository sync issue
[03:02] <snadge> there was an update to nux
[03:05] <trism> snadge: see the /topic
[03:14] <snadge> disable proposed repos?
[03:16] <snadge> ill just do an upgrade instead of dist-upgrade.. im already running precise.. so *shrugs*
[03:16] <snadge> also noticed a few :i386 libs havnen't been updated yet.. which will uninstall skype
[03:18] <trism> snadge: sorry my thought was you had precise-proposed enabled, since I just updated and upgraded fine a minute ago
[03:19] <snadge> yeah its enabled
[03:19] <snadge> but its a known breakage.. update has been pushed to nux, but not unity.. im cool with that ;)
[03:55] <FerchoLP> Hi. I'm running Xubuntu 11.10. I have /home in a separate partition. If I do a fresh install of Xubuntu 12.04, is it expected to work? I know simple programs like  .dropbox, .filezilla and that kind of stuff won't be a problem, but will I have problems with folders like .libreoffice, .gconf, .config/xfce4 ?
[03:57] <jetsaredim> is there an easy way to enable remote X connections to the ubuntu desktop?
[03:57] <jetsaredim> want to setup x2x
[03:59] <holstein> teamviewer is pretty easy... or any VNC server/client
[04:01] <jetsaredim> holstein: so you think it would be easier to setup a vnc server rather than allow x connections to the default desktop?
[04:02] <holstein> depends on the need i suppose... freenx is not too crasy.. or nomachine
[04:12] <ActionParsnip> jetsaredim: why do you need remote desktop, what is your goal?
[04:16] <jetsaredim> ActionParsnip: desktop/laptop side-by-side
[04:16] <jetsaredim> i think i got it tho
[04:16] <jetsaredim> turned on remote desktop on one system and then just x2vnc on the other
[04:16] <ActionParsnip> jetsaredim: but what are you doing on the remote system that needs the whole desktop?
[04:16] <jetsaredim> ActionParsnip: i want the extra real estate
[04:18] <ian_mac> so my current load averages are hovering about 1 after upgrading to precise with nothing really running.  top reports a tie in CPU usage roughly between compiz Xorg and Chrome.  I don't recall it being this high on Oneiric.  Is this normal?
[04:19] <snadge> it depends what chrome is doing
[04:20] <snadge> if flash is involved.. then thats to be expected
[04:20] <ian_mac> no flash
[04:20] <snadge> if its just a single blank window in chrome.. then no
[04:20] <ian_mac> and only 7 tabs
[04:20] <ian_mac> well Chrome isn't reported as using a lot
[04:20] <ian_mac> like 1-4%
[04:21] <ian_mac> and that's the thing - none of the processes seem to use a lot of CPU but the CPU usage is high
[04:21] <snadge> chrome is quite possibly displaying stuff.. which is why xorg and compiz are also doing stuff
[04:21] <jetsaredim> ian_mac: when i have load issues it's usually compiz
[04:21] <snadge> if you kill chrome the cpu load will probably go down
[04:22] <ian_mac> hmm down to about .85
[04:22] <ian_mac> so should I try adjusting compiz settings?
[04:23] <snadge> unity-panel-service, indicator-application-service, compiz, are all using about 3% for me
[04:23] <snadge> lol
[04:23] <snadge> plus xorg 1%.. firefox 1%
[04:23] <snadge> i have a load indicator applet running though.. which appears to use quite a bit
[04:24] <ian_mac> yes I had psensor applet running and that seemed to consume resources.  Seemed... counterproductive
[04:24] <ian_mac> oh well
[04:25] <ian_mac> I guess such is life
[04:26] <snadge> yeah quitting that has dropped cpu usage considerably
[04:26] <snadge> indicator-multiload im using
[04:26] <snadge> meh ;)
[04:26] <snadge> its a conspiracy to try to stop us from monitoring our system resources
[04:26] <snadge> so the nsa can spy on us
[04:26] <ian_mac> hehe
[04:27] <ian_mac> well, maybe this is just the price you pay for the polish that Precise brings
[04:27] <jetsaredim> i noticed that if i walk away from my system and let it time out to a blank screen
[04:27] <jetsaredim> compiz will essentially take over everything
[04:28] <ian_mac> ah so maybe that is happening too. What initially got me looking was noticing that if I left my laptop sitting and came back it would be a lot hotter than  I expected
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> jetsaredim: is it ok in Unity2D?
[04:35] <jetsaredim> ActionParsnip: it didn't seem to matter
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> jetsaredim: bah
[04:36] <snadge> are you using fglrx? :p
[04:36] <jetsaredim> no
[05:42] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[05:43] <billybigrigger> just wondering if anyone else has had issues doing an upgrade from 11.10 where the upgrade is taking 6+ hours
[05:43] <billybigrigger> originally update manager told me 20 mins, and thats about how fast the packages downloaded...
[05:43] <billybigrigger> but now that dpkg is "preparing" all the packages it's telling me around 7 hours
[05:44] <ttl-> there seems to be a problem with network-manager-gnome, left or right click on the icon gives the same menu: Enable networking, Connection information, Edit connections...
[05:45] <billybigrigger> i thought dpkg might be doing all the work from ram, but i have 9g free on my /
[05:45] <billybigrigger> ...any suggestions?
[05:50] <Name141> Will the Beta be a pretty good idea on how the final product will look/feel like/turn out ?
[05:52] <GirlyGirl> Name141: Yes
[05:52] <Name141> GirlyGirl: are all the *buntu's avalable ? or just Ubuntu
[05:53] <GirlyGirl> Name141: You shouldn't expect any visible changes to the user experience. Although any critical bugs will be fixed. Yes all official varriants
[05:53] <Name141> GirlyGirl: ok.  I'll check it out on a virtual machine and then wait on the real release for an install.
[05:54] <GirlyGirl> Name141: Instead of installing beta and then updates ... better use the daily images here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[05:56] <Name141> GirlyGirl: was just wondering if Ubuntu will still be all Unityfied
[05:56] <Name141> I'm assuming yes
[05:57] <GirlyGirl> Name141: I assume yes ... haven't tried Ubuntu yet as I use Kubuntu
[05:58] <Name141> GirlyGirl: yeah.  I suppose I'll try to get the Lubuntu one.
[05:58] <Name141> since it's all offical now
[06:00] <Name141> GirlyGirl: however I'm not seeing a big easy "download now" button for Lubuntu :/
[06:01] <GirlyGirl> Name141: you can use the daily image like I said
[06:02] <GirlyGirl> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[06:02] <Name141> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/beta-2/
[06:02] <Name141> oh
[06:03] <GirlyGirl> Comes to the same but if you use beta 2 you will have to eventually update to the same thing
[06:03] <GirlyGirl> Which varriant do you use now?
[06:03] <Name141> Windows XP count? :/
[06:03] <Name141> I haven't ran Ubuntu since hardy.
[06:03] <Name141> and I decided to buy steam games.
[06:04] <Name141> (thus, back to windows...)
[06:04] <GirlyGirl> You might like to try Kubuntu ... seems really fast and functional compared to Ubuntu with unity. Or you can just try all varriants.
[06:04] <GirlyGirl> You can dual boot you know
[06:05] <Name141> Yeah. I'm just looking for something to get my machines off of XP.
[06:05] <Name141> now that I bought a 'gaming machine' and all
[06:05] <GirlyGirl> What are the specs?
[06:06] <Name141> this one?
[06:06] <Name141> or the other?
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> GirlyGirl: Lubuntu is even faster still :)
[06:08] <Name141> ActionParsnip: I may go Xubuntu.. not sure.  Or just try to get rid of that evil Unity on Ubuntu
[06:08] <Ian_Corne> or you can adapt and learn to work with it
[06:08] <Name141> Ian_Corne: Or shoot it.
[06:10] <ActionParsnip> Name141: its not everyone's cup of tea, I don't mind it tbh
[06:11] <Name141> ActionParsnip: it sure aint mine.
[06:11] <GirlyGirl> Name141: The one you want to install it on obviously
[06:11] <Name141> GirlyGirl: E2160 + 4670 + WD Blue (probably SATA3 ? ) , 2 GB RAM
[06:12] <Name141> A dell Inspiron 530.
[06:12] <GirlyGirl> ActionParsnip: I wouldn't use lubuntu unless its for a pentium 3 or something
[06:12] <GirlyGirl> Name141: All varriants should work fine ... which graphic card
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> GirlyGirl: frees up more resources for apps, plus no Compiz making a stink
[06:12] <Name141> GirlyGirl: "+ 4670 +"
[06:12] <Name141> Radeon 4670.
[06:13] <Name141> XP + MSE = nightmare for me.
[06:13] <Name141> is the actual only reason I want to change.
[06:13] <Name141> I remember hardy running smoothly, besides FireFox
[06:14] <GirlyGirl> ActionParsnip: Yeah well but for me the resources used by kde vs its functionality fit my needs better than lubuntu.
[06:21] <Elmseeker> Hi guys
[06:21] <Elmseeker> My network is having issues and I was wondering if anyone could help.
[06:21] <Elmseeker> I have 90% packet loss in ubuntu with either wired or wireless, but the same machine dualbooted into windows 7 experiences no issues.
[06:24] <GirlyGirl> Elmseeker: Which card do you have and which version of Ubuntu is this? (I noticed you crossposted in #ubuntu)
[06:25] <Elmseeker> Yeah, sorry for the crosspost I had missed the msg to come here for 12.04
[06:25] <Elmseeker> I'm not sure what the card is, it's built in to the laptop
[06:25] <GirlyGirl> Elmseeker: use lspci to identify the card
[06:26] <Elmseeker> but it's the same for both the ethernet and the wifi
[06:26] <Elmseeker> k, brb
[06:27] <varikonniemi> hello, is there some thing i am missing, chmod does not seem to work in 12.04 ?
[06:27] <Elmseeker> realtek 8168B
[06:27] <Elmseeker> actually says 8111/8168B
[06:27] <Elmseeker> I have wifi disabled through the HW switch atm so I can't get that one.
[06:28] <GirlyGirl> Elmseeker: see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1890060
[06:29] <bobo37773> Elmseeker: Did you figure it out?
[06:30] <Elmseeker> Not yet
[06:30] <Elmseeker> I am having to read the post then run to the other room to try stuff lol
[06:30] <Elmseeker> but the mtu thing didn't work :(
[06:31] <GirlyGirl> Elmseeker: You need to find the correct mtu value from windows, not use the mtu in the thread command
[06:31] <Elmseeker> hmm...k
[06:31] <Elmseeker> brb
[06:31] <GirlyGirl> Elmseeker: And also use the correct interface names in place of eth0
[06:32] <bobo37773> GirlyGirl: mtu values? I came late. What kind of chipset was it? Did you get that from elms dmesg or is it a normal ubuntu thing?
[06:33] <bluefrog> varikonniemi, with what command on what file?
[06:33] <varikonniemi> sorry, i got it to work, it just seems that my os is unable to launch the executable
[06:34] <varikonniemi> and the weird thing is, it says it is not found
[06:34] <varikonniemi> and the weird thing is, it says it is not found q@varikonniemi-desktop:~/Desktop$ ./X-Plane\ 10\ Demo\ Installer\ Linux
[06:34] <varikonniemi> bash: ./X-Plane 10 Demo Installer Linux: No such file or directory
[06:35] <GirlyGirl> Elmseeker: Try doing this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10283670&postcount=2
[06:35] <GirlyGirl> It seems that ubuntu loads the driver of 8169 instead of 8168B
[06:41] <Elmseeker> mtu is correct still same thing, I doubt it's a driver issue since it does the same thing with wifi
[06:42] <varikonniemi> x-plane worked fine on 11.10
[06:42] <Elmseeker> but I will try it, be bck in a few, hopefully the driver won't be too big so I can get it during one of the short times I actually internet lol
[07:03] <Elmseeker> New driver in and loaded, mtu is right, still same thing :(
[07:06] <Elmseeker> Think I am just gonna reinstall ubuntu, make sure I didn't miss something.
[07:24] <prodigel>  hi all. I've tried dist-upgrading yesterday and now I'm stuck with a dependency error on libc-bin and a "A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory:  '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.15.so'" error if trying a force install. Any known cure for these issue?
[07:28] <bkerensa> prodigel: did it hang?
[07:28] <prodigel> bkerensa, it stops the install process
[07:28] <bkerensa> did you run all updates before you attempted upgrading?
[07:29] <bkerensa> and are you just trying to upgrade from 11.10 to precise?
[07:29] <prodigel> bkerensa, I did upgrade from 11.10 some time ago, and since them doing regular updates/dist-upgrades
[07:29] <prodigel> this one showed up only last night
[07:30] <bkerensa> prodigel: it is not necessary to do dist-upgrade
[07:30] <bkerensa> prodigel: you can just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade
[07:31] <prodigel> bkerensa, still doesn't work. breaks with the same errors
[07:32] <bkerensa> hmm
[07:32] <prodigel> bkerensa, I guessthe libc problem is a blocker
[07:32] <bkerensa> prodigel: You will need to open a bug on this
[07:33] <bkerensa> prodigel: in reality dist-upgrade is more dynamic then a normal upgrade but it can cause issues
[07:33] <bkerensa> in this case dist-upgrade should sort out depends
[07:33] <bkerensa> but for some reason it is not which to me suggests something is broken ;)
[07:38] <alkisg> How can I tell resolvconf to ignore the DNS servers provided by a VPN? I even tried specifying my own DNS servers at the network-manager "VPN settings" dialog, but *they* are ignored instead! :(
[07:40] <bkerensa> alkisg: if its not respecting your settings then perhaps file a bug?
[07:41] <alkisg> bkerensa: sure, if it's not a PEBKAC...
[07:41] <bkerensa> alkisg: but here is some info about resolvconf and VNC
[07:41] <bkerensa> http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[07:45] <alkisg> I've disabled the "local resolver" dnsmasq instance, as I'm using a regular dnsmasq server instance instead. But I fear that some network manager ubuntu-specific patches are badly written and assume that the local resolver is always present... :(
[07:58] <egolost> I think resolveconf is the worst name for that application. Try to google it :D
[07:59] <egolost> you will only get resolv.conf hits.
[08:00] <c_smith> egolost, well, that's what resolvconf is written to manage if I'm reading some of these results correctly, so I don't see a problem with it myself.
[08:01] <topelo> well update is finished hope everything works better
[08:01] <alkisg> filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/980579
[08:01] <alkisg> egolost: google for "resolvconf" in quotes instead
[08:08] <topelo> cheese still don't work but if i change device with tvtime video cam works
[08:13] <topelo> ok now tvtime or MEtv don't work i'll try to uninstall and reinstall later
[08:13] <topelo> this is after the update
[08:15] <topelo> before the update tvtime and MEtv worked
[08:16] <topelo> using the hauppuage 850 usb tv adapter
[08:18] <everyl> Okay, so it seems that after installing 12.04, the upper bar and the left bar that activates on mouse-over don't ever appear. Any idea how I could invoke a shell?
[08:18] <Ian_Corne> Anyone installed 12.04 server yet?
[08:19] <topelo> youtube videos work good after update
[08:23]  * topelo is sleepy
[08:24] <everyl> ok, this happens: http://i.imgur.com/BAMUf.jpg
[08:24] <everyl> the left bar never appears on mouse-over either
[08:24] <everyl> I think it's a problem with compiz
[08:24] <everyl> (this is on a newly installed 12.04b4). any tips on what could be done?
[08:25] <everyl> I will be one sad panda if I have to just throw this out, I'll be most happy if this install can be salvaged somehow :)
[08:27] <topelo> g-nite
[08:31] <everyl> I want to invoke a terminal
[08:31] <everyl> someone tell me its path
[08:31] <everyl> since I still have the browser, etc.
[08:32] <everyl> QUICK! COME ON!
[08:37] <MasterOfDisaster> hey, upgrading to precise seems to break groupwise (http://paste.ubuntu.com/926070). This happens when opening an email (i.e. rendering html), other functionality doesn't seem to be affected. Any idea on how to get to the bottom of this?
[08:37] <ikonia> everyl: do not cross post - what distro are you using ?
[08:38] <z4k4ri4> Hi, I'm having problem with usb modem (EVDO), could somebody point me the procedure to debug it?
[08:39] <everyl> ikonia: Ubuntu 12.04 (beta 2), as I am in #ubuntu+1
[08:39] <everyl> unless I misunderstood your question?
[08:39] <ikonia> everyl: ok, please don't ask for 12.04 questions in #ubuntu
[08:39] <ikonia> please keep it in this channel
[08:40] <everyl> ikonia: this channel is dead. And the question I was asking was a pretty general one that it would apply to really both :)
[08:41] <ikonia> no - it doesn't
[08:41] <ikonia> please keep 12.04 to this channel, it's not dead but it's not as active as the main channel, that is part of price of running beta software, it's less supported and has more problems
[08:42] <everyl> I see where you're coming from, I guess
[08:43] <ikonia> not really no
[08:52] <everyl> that was totally really mean. I am so sad now
[08:52] <varikonniemi> Hello, i have a bug to report. Spring RTS, the most popular opensource RTS engine does not work nice with unity and precise. When in windowed mode, it insists on having the window with windows decorations on (it does not maximize properly)
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> everyl: try ctrl + alt + t
[08:53] <varikonniemi> under gnome-shell it maximizes properly, this is something you really should have a look at
[08:54] <Ian_Corne> otherwise it's /usr/bin/gnome-terminal
[08:54] <everyl> Ian_Corne: seems to have effect. I was able to invoke a shell by going to /usb/bin and double-clicking xterm though
[08:54] <Ian_Corne> and everyl did you install, using an "old" home partition?
[08:54] <GirlyGirl> everyl: Try "unity --reset"
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> that's why I asked GirlyGirl :)
[08:55] <everyl> "unity: command not found"
[08:56] <Ian_Corne> what are you running?
[08:56] <Ian_Corne> regular ubuntu 12.04?
[08:56] <phibxr> While running through my updates today, one update stops to display a changelog. This works fine while updating through the terminal, since I can close the changelog with Q, but I guess it will cause problems for the Update Manager?
[08:56] <GirlyGirl> And "less support is part of the price of running beta software" or whatever is not the point  ... people use 12.04 for bug triage and testing purposes
[08:58] <everyl> the problem dominantly seems to be with compiz and / or nvidia drivers. That's what it keeps telling me is acting up, and tells me to restart.. and still the problem occurs, in an endless cycle
[08:59] <Ian_Corne> you're not answering the question
[08:59] <Ian_Corne> are you running ubuntu 12.04
[09:01] <GirlyGirl> everyl: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, then unity --reset
[09:04] <everyl> (though I worry still!)
[09:17] <harold> I suppose it's interesting the installation iso is 735 MB
[09:17] <harold> just marginally larger than a standard blank disc's storage capacity
[09:18] <harold> if it was going to exceed 700mb, why not just go all the way up to 2gb+ or whatever
[09:26] <GirlyGirl> harold: It will probably change by final
[09:27] <GirlyGirl> I can't be bothered to burn a disk every 6 months, so its always dd to the usb disk for me
[09:28] <GirlyGirl> harold: Which iso are you referring to?
[09:28] <harold> 12.04's
[09:28] <harold> for x86
[09:29] <GirlyGirl> harold: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/15301/downloads  ... its not 735 mb
[09:36] <everyl> hm, where is the size specified on that page?
[09:36] <everyl> or did you initiate download and see?
[09:38] <yofel> everyl: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ has the sizes
[09:41] <harold> ah ok, those are the daily builds.
[09:43] <dupondje> Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6 for libnih1, probably a dependency cycle.
[09:43] <dupondje> is this known ? :)
[11:15] <harold> there was a command that would keep ubuntu as up to date as possible
[11:15] <harold> what was it again?
[11:16] <tomodachi> harold: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:16] <tomodachi> i presume
[11:32] <ironhalik> harold, tomodachi: you should be very carefull with dist-upgrade
[11:33] <ironhalik> it has very agressive dependancies resolving, if you do it at the wrong moment, lets say, when not all needed packages are in the repos
[11:33] <ironhalik> it can delete half of your system
[11:35] <tomodachi> ironhalik: when would the needed packages not be in the repos?
[11:37] <ironhalik> when some projects got updated, and others didnt
[11:37] <ironhalik> believe me, check if something, and what, is being removed during dist-upgrade
[11:38] <ironhalik> it happens once in ten times, but I learned that after I lost ubuntu-desktop :)
[11:40] <gnomefreak> anyone know how to use aplay to test sound in terminal?
[11:45] <martinphone> is the 32lib-multiarch fixed?
[11:45] <martinphone> ia32-libs-multiarch
[11:46]  * gnomefreak didnt know it was broken
[11:46] <martinphone> it works? then where from can I download it?
[11:47] <martinphone> I have a 64bit architecture and want to install google earth 64 bit, for that I need that lib
[11:47] <gnomefreak> martinphone: i dont know if it works i dont have itinstalled
[11:47]  * gnomefreak running 32bit :)
[11:47] <martinphone> is there a ubuntu 64 bit channel?
[11:47] <jussi> no
[11:48] <gnomefreak> i would file a bug on it being this late in devel
[11:48] <martinphone> i do need an account to fill a bug, dont i?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> a ;aunchpad one yes
[11:50] <gnomefreak> launchpad even
[11:50] <gnomefreak> very easy and fast to set up. at least it used to gbe when i got mine
[11:50] <gnomefreak> s/gbe/be
[11:51] <gnomefreak> jussi: any idea on how to use aplay to test term
[11:51] <gnomefreak> i know aplay -P but it needs a file afaict
[11:54] <martinphone> what if I download http://pkgs.org/download/ia32-libs-multiarch ?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> that should be upgraded its a bit old
[11:56] <martinphone> or, can anyone say why that package is not in the repo but in an external repo?
[11:56] <martinphone> ok
[11:56] <gnomefreak> martinphone: with libs i would be careful what you install
[11:57] <gnomefreak> martinphone: its in universe (that is not an outside repo)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> it is supported by our devs
[11:57] <martinphone> why cant I see it? letme re check
[11:58] <gnomefreak> martinphone: apt-cache policy ia32-libs-multiarch   will tell yyou the repo
[11:58] <gnomefreak> my typing really is bad today. brb smoke
[11:58] <ironhalik> gnomefreak: not sure what you mena exactly, but Ive got ia32-libs installed, running wine and android emulators without any problems
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ironhalik: i dont have an issue with it see martinphone about it
[11:59] <martinphone> I see the ia32-libs too
[11:59] <ironhalik> a, yeah, it was the next line :P
[11:59] <martinphone> not the ia32bits-multiarch
[11:59] <ironhalik> martinphone: yeah, I believe its what you want
[12:00] <martinphone> even when its not multiarch?
[12:00] <martinphone> ill give it a try
[12:01] <ironhalik> martinphone: I think its the same thing :)
[12:02] <martinphone> does any of you run google earth too?
[12:02] <Wolfsherz> hifi, there still seems to be a bug with the close button on maximised windows in precise... it seems to be distorted as if it overlaps with another close button some pixels apart. anyone else having this issue?
[12:03] <Wolfsherz> hifi was meant to be just hi
[12:03] <martinphone> no, I only have a nonworking plymouth welcoming screen, logging out screen works
[12:04] <martinphone> and other bluetooth bug that has already been filled
[12:05] <ironhalik> huh, same here
[12:05] <ironhalik> uglu plymouth, though it works in livecd
[12:05] <martinphone> ugly?
[12:06] <ironhalik> yeah
[12:06] <ironhalik> mhm launchpad could be alittle bit snappier ;)
[12:07] <ironhalik> Wolfsherz: yeah, Ive got the same problem - sometimes you will close the window beneath the one you were trying to close - Im looking for some bug report now
[12:08] <martinphone> should I make a clean install when 12.04 is officially released?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> martinphone: no need to unless you feel like it
[12:09] <ironhalik> yeah
[12:10]  * gnomefreak cant figure out what you need bluetooth for on a pc :(
[12:10] <martinphone> not really sure, but I think it came with the machine
[12:10] <colo-work> for a bluetooth headset, for instance. those things are awesome.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> like the phone kind or more pc output kind
[12:11] <cccangel> hey... i know Ubuntu 12.04 is in beta and I haven't tried it yet.  I was wondering if its worth updating too...
[12:11] <ironhalik> cccangel: sure it is
[12:11] <gnomefreak> cccangel: if you can deal with problems
[12:11] <Stanley00> cccangel: pretty sure ;0
[12:12] <ironhalik> for me, it was more or less problem free since alpha2
[12:12] <ironhalik> except lost partition table on ma lappy, and it was on beta 2 :P
[12:12] <cccangel> i can deal with minor problems.... i just put it on my usb but i am transfering some win32 games to try it out with the new wine and ubuntu.
[12:12] <cccangel> then im going to update it ... and try it all out :)
[12:13] <martinphone> help: after adding more sources (restricted, universe and so on), I do now see a ia32-libs and a ia32-libsmultiarch:i386
[12:13] <gnomefreak> cccangel: disable proposed repo first
[12:13] <martinphone> are those conflicting? should I get rid of one?
[12:13] <cccangel> gnomefreak, ok. thanks.
[12:15] <gnomefreak> always check /topic before doing anything please
[12:15] <Wolfsherz> also, the first letter in the global menu is distorted.
[12:17] <gnomefreak> lolo the relase schedule days are wrong
[12:17] <gnomefreak> tues should be thurs
[12:17] <gnomefreak> -s
[12:18] <physically_fit> i'm having a problem with my Wired Connection: i have to start it manually (click on its name). why is this happening now? i tried to create it again and the issue remains.
[12:18]  * gnomefreak doesnt have the power to change it
[12:19] <physically_fit> is this a known bug?
[12:19] <colo-work> gnomefreak, I have a bt stereo headset. like, for listening to music, and stuff.
[12:19] <gnomefreak> physically_fit: someone yesterday mentioned a probgblem with network manager but i dont recall the issue
[12:20] <colo-work> this one: http://www.bazoo.eu/sound/?we_objectID=111
[12:20] <gnomefreak> colo-work: ah that sounds like fun, maybe ill look at picking one up as long as they are under $100
[12:21] <gnomefreak> its not  in english :(
[12:22] <gnomefreak> looks german to me
[12:23] <colo-work> gnomefreak, just click the GB flag on the right top of the page
[12:23] <gnomefreak> lo0oks liek i found a way to turn it british
[12:23] <gnomefreak> :) thanks
[12:24] <gnomefreak> colo-work: do you remember how much they were. i cant find a price anywhere
[12:24] <colo-work> about 50€ on amazon, I believe
[12:24] <ezoe> Hi. I want to learn about the decision for removing mono from 12.04? Not that I fever or against it. I want to know the reason. Is there any public document for explaining the background?
[12:25] <Alex_Gaynor> So, since I updates yesterday I can't boot into unity.  Anyone else seeing this?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> oh cool they have it on amazon. not to find it. colo-work thanks again
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Alex_Gaynor: what verasion of libnux do you have?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> Alex_Gaynor: make sure proposeed repos are disabled before upgrading it
[12:26] <Alex_Gaynor> gnomefreak: not sure, how do I check (I can boot to a recovery console, but that's it)
[12:26] <gnomefreak> proposed even
[12:26] <gnomefreak> hold on let me get the full name of it
[12:26] <Alex_Gaynor> Where's the file to see if proposed is enabled?
[12:26] <Alex_Gaynor> I don't think I did, but I'm the guy running a beta OS, so who knows.
[12:27] <gnomefreak> Alex_Gaynor: what is the output for the line installed when running apt-cache policy libnux-2.0-0
[12:27] <cccangel> nice ... now fullscreen works and still leaves access to launcher...
[12:27] <gnomefreak> Alex_Gaynor: you will see proposed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <Alex_Gaynor> gnomefreak: Installed: 2.8.0-0ubuntu2
[12:28] <Alex_Gaynor> nope, proposed isn't in there
[12:28] <Timvde> Is there any way to downgrade Compiz in Precise to 0.8.x?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Alex_Gaynor: ok good. than i dont know the issue. libnux-2.0-0 2.10 is broken in proposed it removes ubuntu-desktop and unity that is why i wanted you to check
[12:28] <cccangel> funny story, for school, teacher recommended using a cloud service for backup and recommended dropbox.  with ubuntu one,
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Timvde: thinking you dont want to do that
[12:29] <cccangel> i was already setup :)
[12:29] <Timvde> gnomefreak: Why not? I'm using Gnome Classic anyway
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Timvde: due to the depends it has. im not sure how it will affest classic desktop though
[12:29] <gnomefreak> effect
[12:29] <martinphone> I need to get rid of a defective google earth I installed via the .deb file in their site. I installed it before I added the correct libraries: now the thing is installed, there is an access icon, but when I try to install google earth after the correct libraries are in place, it says that it conflicts with the old installation
[12:30] <Alex_Gaynor> gnomefreak: ok, I filed a bug on this a little while ago, I guess I'll just wait to see what happens there.
[12:30] <gnomefreak> martinphone: it is most likely looking for lib version you no longer have
[12:31] <gnomefreak> Alex_Gaynor: thanks
[12:31] <martinphone> i see
[12:31] <Timvde> gnomefreak: But 0.9.x just feels buggy, really :/ In just one day, I broke my desktop at least 5 times (recoverable, luckily) just by changing some settings which used to work well together.
[12:31] <gnomefreak> ok brb i really need to think how to test this :(
[12:31] <Timvde> gnomefreak: Note that I was still on 10.10 until now
[12:31] <martinphone> apparently I can install now
[12:32] <Timvde> So I didn't use compiz 0.9.x before
[12:40] <cccangel> is the wine 1.5.x found under wine1.3 still?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> can soneone please type my screenname for me
[12:42] <jtrucks> gnomefreak: what?
[12:42] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak:
[12:42] <gnomefreak> damnit
[12:42] <gnomefreak> thanks guys
[12:42] <jtrucks> hilight failing?
[12:42] <cccangel> gnomefreak:
[12:42] <gnomefreak> try once more please
[12:43] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak:
[12:43] <gnomefreak> thanks
[12:44] <gnomefreak> anyone know the command to test sound in term using aplay?
[12:45] <jetsaredim> http://linux.die.net/man/1/aplay
[12:46] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: that is ther man page. not helpful yesterday
[12:46] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: depends on what you are trying to do methinks
[12:47] <Edico> I experience a problem with the colors, only on youtube. The skin of people is blue like of those creatures in Avatar movie
[12:47] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: im trying to test and see if any sound works in gnome-term
[12:47] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: what type of file
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Edico: can i have the link
[12:48] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: any
[12:48] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: just point aplay at any audio file
[12:48] <Edico> gnomefreak, is on any clip on youtube
[12:48]  * gnomefreak doesnt care if it is just a thump
[12:48] <jetsaredim> i think you should at least just get noise
[12:49] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: i dont have any unless you know the path to where default ones are kept
[12:49] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: is this a server or something?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Edico: you tube works here just fine. are3 you on 32 or 64bit?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: no just a terminal sound. i have no sound in irssi so i need to see if terminal puts out any sound
[12:50] <gnomefreak> just a ding or a thunk or something.
[12:51] <Edico> gnomefreak, 64bit
[12:51] <gnomefreak> i dont need to play a sound or anything else. sound works in browser but not in irssi so terminal is next best6 test
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Edico: that maybe why
[12:52] <Edico> gnomefreak, why's that?
[12:52] <jetsaredim> Edico: i'm running 64-bit an youtube works fine here too
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Edico: 64flash is garbage if we packaged it yet. other waise 32bit flash on 64bit system also is kind of problematic or at least has been in the recent past
[12:53] <jetsaredim> Edico: what is the video
[12:53] <gnomefreak> wise
[12:53] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: why not just download some random mp3 file from the interwebs
[12:53] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: said any of them
[12:53] <jetsaredim> ok - but give me a specific example so I can try it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> becaseu ther eis a simple command to test and i just cant remember it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> because
[12:54] <gnomefreak> there is
[12:55] <jetsaredim> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[12:55] <jetsaredim> also - Noise.wav
[12:56] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: i have mp3s well 2 but i cant get aplay to recognise the full path
[12:57] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: aplay doesn't like mp3 files anyway
[12:57] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: thanks
[12:57] <jetsaredim> just use that command I just gave you
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i did
[12:57] <jetsaredim> and?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> it played but that just made this that much worse :(
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i was hoping no sound
[12:58] <gnomefreak> was that command testing speakers or terminal output
[12:58] <Timvde> gnomefreak: Damn, I found a repository, but it has build errors :(
[12:58] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: terminal output
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i would love to find the default sound in terminal bark/drip/glass something like that
[12:59] <Timvde> gnomefreak: Could you provide me a way to downgrade to Compiz 0.8.x? Risk is on me.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:59] <jetsaredim> I'd guess you'd have to play with the aplay options to get the speakers to respend individually
[12:59] <jetsaredim> wow i can't type
[13:11] <gnomefreak> someone type my nick again please
[13:12] <bazhang> gnomefreak, no
[13:12] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: do you have irssi bell turned on?
[13:12] <jetsaredim> http://pookey.co.uk/wordpress/archives/4-irssi-making-it-beep-when-your-nick-is-mentioned
[13:13] <gnomefreak> ok i can play mp3s i can play sounds all over the web including but not limited to flash but system beep(or what we use now since it was disabled) doesnt work
[13:13] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: yes
[13:13] <gnomefreak> alwasy on
[13:13] <jetsaredim> what about just a normal terminal?
[13:13] <jetsaredim> aplay worked?
[13:13] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: cant test the sound. thats what i have been terying to do
[13:13] <gnomefreak> aplay worked
[13:14] <jetsaredim> ok what about system bell?
[13:14]  * gnomefreak listening to avenged sevenfold
[13:14] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: how do i test it? i tested the options in sound menu and they worked but nothing in terminal so far
[13:17] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: ok - it's probably the system bell
[13:17] <jetsaredim> i think it was turned off
[13:18] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: it has been turned off since 11.04 IIRC
[13:18] <jetsaredim> right - that would be the thing to turn back on
[13:18] <jetsaredim> i think
[13:18] <gnomefreak> but sound was working until recently
[13:21]  * gnomefreak moving all my music back onto pc :)
[13:22] <gnomefreak> its moving impossibly fast
[13:22] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: maybe set beep_cmd in irssi
[13:23] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: beep in irssi is turned on
[13:23] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: no i mean set an actual command in irssi that will play the sound
[13:23] <gnomefreak> trust me i checked that when this happened. my irssi file is perfect from what i can tell and since i made most of it its all good :)
[13:24] <jetsaredim> in your config file what is beep_cmd set to?
[13:26] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: is this what you meant
[13:26] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/927915/
[13:27] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: yes, but apparently there is also a beep_cmd setting that you can set the actual shell command to play the notification sound
[13:27] <gnomefreak> another one/
[13:27] <gnomefreak> ?
[13:27] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: none of what you have in that paste has a command to play sound
[13:28] <sylvester> where can I find the german channel for Ubuntu 12.04?
[13:29] <yofel> sylvester: #ubuntu-de+1
[13:29] <sylvester> thx
[13:30] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: how do i enable it
[13:30] <gnomefreak> maybe /set
[13:30] <jetsaredim> yea
[13:31] <jetsaredim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8720989&postcount=4
[13:32] <jetsaredim> play /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg
[13:33] <gnomefreak> that worked the bell.ogg
[13:34] <jetsaredim> in irssi?
[13:34] <gnomefreak> ok now try
[13:34] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: nope sorry
[13:35] <gnomefreak> how do you play it in irssi?
[13:35] <jetsaredim> personally i use pidgin and i have all sounds turned off
[13:36] <gnomefreak> brb trying somehting
[13:36] <gnomefreak> something
[13:37] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: .:09:36:52:. ==> Irssi: Unknown setting beep_cmd
[13:38] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: well - that's about the extent of my google search
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ok try my nick now please
[13:38] <jetsaredim> sorry
[13:38] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak:
[13:38] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: np
[13:39] <gnomefreak> thanks it still didnt work damn, i have a strong feeling its g-t not so much irssi
[13:39] <jetsaredim> yea
[13:40] <jetsaredim> may want to check in #irssi
[13:40] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: yeah i will again soon, i have other things to work on atm i spent way too long on this beep crap
[13:41] <Glacee> Hi guys, is there a "ga" pnfs client in precise?
[13:44] <jetsaredim> Glacee: have you checked http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:45] <mikislav> hello, I am on Xubuntu 12.04. Have multiple LED samsung monitor with higher reoslution as my laptop. When I go on full screen on external monitor, it set up just 1280:800 no needed 1920:1080
[13:46] <mikislav> hello, I am on Xubuntu 12.04. Have multiple LED samsung monitor with higher resolution as my laptop. When I go on full screen on external monitor, it set up just 1280:800 no needed 1920:1080
[13:46] <lun4tic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/967091 <-- hat jemand auch das problem, dass das nur bei nem 32bit system auftaucht?
[13:46] <lun4tic> oops sry
[13:46] <lun4tic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/967091 <-- does somebody have that problem only on 32bit?
[13:48] <mikislav> hello, I am on Xubuntu 12.04. Have multiple LED samsung monitor with higher reoslution as my laptop. When I go full screen on flash web video, external monitor, it set up just 1280:800 no needed 1920:1080
[13:48] <lun4tic> I have all the most recent updates but that problem only occurs on my 64bit system which also uses the nvidia driver. It seems to only occur on some nvidia cards not on all
[13:49] <lun4tic> 32bit*
[13:49] <jetsaredim> mikislav: did you check in the Display Settings?
[13:50] <jetsaredim> lun4tic: can you link to a specific video?
[13:51] <lun4tic> sec
[13:51] <cccangel> hmm.... ubuntu 12.04 seems to be slower/stalling on preconfig pkgs than normal...
[13:51] <lun4tic> random example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkl4UxyGgI8
[13:51] <lun4tic> seems to be only h264 afaik
[13:52] <lun4tic> HTML5 plays normal and some non youtube flashplayers too
[13:52] <jetsaredim> lun4tic: odd - that video plays fine for me
[13:52] <jetsaredim> no blue faces
[13:53] <lun4tic> http://vimeo.com/39678855 this one for example plays normal
[13:54] <lun4tic> it was supposed to be fixed today. at least somebody in the bugreport said so
[13:54] <lun4tic> so there must be some kind of user settings and stuff
[13:54] <lun4tic> I'll try to make a fresh user account and see what i get
[13:54] <jetsaredim> i just installed my system the other day
[13:55] <jetsaredim> i don't usually upgrade - i like to reinstall fresh
[13:55] <jetsaredim> lun4tic: what version of flashplugin-installer are you running?
[14:05] <cccangel> i just installed ubuntu 12.04 and i am trying to do update-manger but it winds up saying "The package system is broken"
[14:05] <cccangel> so basically i cant get updates to work...
[14:05] <jetsaredim> cccangel: try from the terminal?
[14:06] <cccangel> update-manager? or something else?
[14:06] <cccangel> this is a gui window saying this.
[14:13] <cccangel> cool... i figured it out thanks jetsaredim
[14:15] <graingert> is anyone having a problem with accelerated desktops?
[14:15] <graingert> eg gnome-shell or unity
[14:15] <graingert> they all seem to be very slow and or freeze
[14:24] <mkultra_> i get the browser crash for seamonkey only
[14:25] <mkultra_> firefox works good, ive only lightly tested chrome
[14:25] <roothorick> glxinfo says "Direct rendering: Yes" and the right renderer string but I'm still getting HORRENDOUS OpenGL performance. only 5fps in glxgears. This is new as of yesterday. nV binary drivers. What broke?
[14:26] <mkultra_> yeah, i am also getting laggy video
[14:27] <roothorick> laggy doesn't even begin to describe it. I'm getting about 90 SECONDS PER FRAME at the main menu of Minecraft
[14:27] <roothorick> not in game. Just the menu.
[14:28] <mkultra_> lol yeah laggy
[14:28] <mkultra_> im updating right now in synaptic
[14:28] <roothorick> so now I know why Unity won't start :/
[14:28] <mkultra_> they keep hammering stuff out
[14:29] <mkultra_> i gotta start clearing old kernels out of my boot partition
[14:32] <subman> After the last update as of this morning, now my Ubuntu will not boot up properly in 3D.  Compiz crashes, Unity crashes.  No menu bar at the top or side any more.  Only option is to boot into 2D mode.  Anyone else with this issue?
[14:32] <mkultra_> i run xfce
[14:32] <mkultra_> my 3d is working right now, but im updating
[14:33] <mkultra_> ive updated like 7 times this week
[14:33] <subman> Yeah, me too.  This is the first time I've had an issue.
[14:33] <mkultra_> my audio's screwed up, my seamonkey freezes (its from mozilla not repo)
[14:34] <subman> hmmm.  It won't even report the errors as it says that some of the compiz libraries are obsolete?
[14:34] <mkultra_> update lol
[14:34] <subman> lol.....
[14:35] <mkultra_> update then let it hit the fan and send moar feedback lol
[14:35] <lun4tic> jetsaredim: sec
[14:37] <lun4tic> <IP_ADDRESS>ub on 64bit and <IP_ADDRESS>-0precise1 on 64bit
[14:38] <lun4tic> whats the difference between the two?
[14:38] <lun4tic> the 32bit version is not an flashplugin-installer its only the "adobe-flashplugin"
[14:40] <jetsaredim> lun4tic: that's the same version I'm running
[14:42] <ho> hello
[14:42] <ho> How do I change or reset the keyring password?
[14:43] <lun4tic> let me test the flasgplugin installer
[14:43] <lun4tic> flashplugin-installer*
[14:43] <lun4tic> maybe these are different builts after all
[14:44] <lasher> Hi' I just downloaded 12.04 beta but it hangs trying to boot live cd. I have 32bit desktop.
[14:44] <holstein> ho: its likely similar to this still http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/01/16/reset-gnome-keyring-password-on-ubuntu/
[14:44] <ho> holstein, nice, thank you
[14:45] <cryptothesly> lasher, at what point does it hang?
[14:45] <lasher> i see a message about kernal
[14:45] <lasher> i dont remember exact
[14:46] <lasher> [<5beeade>]kernal_blah_blah 06x10
[14:46] <koen_> Hey bleeding edge guys =D
[14:47] <koen_> Can anybody tell me why I get: sudo useradd -d /home/tempuser -m -s /bin/bash -G admin tempuser
[14:47] <koen_> useradd: group 'admin' does not exist
[14:47] <koen_> I believe I didn't have this is 11.10
[14:47] <lun4tic> jetsaredim: nope still blue with flashplugin-installer
[14:47] <topyli> not very hopeful to find another epiphany user on the planet, but if there is one: does epiphany hang for a while when you close it, and then when you launch it again it will ask if you want to recover the last session? as it had crashed?
[14:47] <lun4tic> same versions on both systems. seems to be connected with the type of nvidia chip your system has
[14:48] <roothorick> I have a 6150...
[14:48] <roothorick> it's an onboard integrated-but-not-really in a laptop
[14:48] <lun4tic> mine are 9800GTX on the desktop and 9600M GT on the Laptop and the laptop flashplayer shows blueish colors with the exact same version of flashplayer -.-
[14:48] <roothorick> I've had to pull the HSF off, it's a physically separate chip next to the CPU, Xbox-style
[14:49] <roothorick> then the north bridge is a little ways away
[14:50] <roothorick> but yeah, I'm having absolutely dreadful anything-3D performance and Unity won't start at all
[14:50] <cryptothesly> lasher, with just that information it is hard to know what to suggest other than perhaps trying some kernel boot options like nomodeset. This may help explain those: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[14:50] <roothorick> glxinfo shows "GeForce Go 6150/integrated/SSE2" and claims direct rendering is on
[14:51] <lasher> cryptothesly: I did have the error and found something similar - it recommended the alt-cd. D/l now
[14:51] <roothorick> is there any way to roll back to a previous nvidia driver?
[14:52] <tomodachi> roothorick: i would use the "additional drivers" app for it
[14:53] <Daekdroom> lun4tic, are you sure both desktop and laptop are using video acceleration for Flash?
[14:54] <lasher> I have an older ATI video card and I am under the impression there is better support for this in 12.04?
[14:55] <roothorick> what card?
[14:55] <lasher> x1650pro
[14:55] <natman> anyone know if HP touchpads will be fully supported in 12.04?
[14:55] <roothorick> use DRI radeon, not fglrx
[14:55] <roothorick> DRI does a better job with older hardware
[14:55] <lasher> ty
[14:56] <roothorick> I don't know which Precise defaults to
[14:57] <Daekdroom> roothorick, lasher X1650PRO is not supported by fglrx for a long time.
[14:57] <roothorick> oh right
[14:57] <roothorick> they've been pulling fglrx support for older cards as DRI matures
[14:57] <Daekdroom> also, the opensource driver for that card has been in a good shape for quite awhile, but there are improvements, I think
[14:58] <roothorick> right now fglrx is only for VERY new Radeons
[14:58] <Daekdroom> Not VERY new Radeons. X1650 is only one generation behind.
[14:58] <lasher> currently i am using 10.04 and it's virtually unusable
[14:58] <Daekdroom> Pretty much everything that came afterwards is very similar in its internals, so..
[14:58] <roothorick> uh, it's a lot farther than just one
[14:58] <Daekdroom> 10.04 is a bit old.
[14:58] <roothorick> HD4xxx, HD5xxx, now there's HD6xxx out
[14:58] <Daekdroom> roothorick, HD2xxx (except rebrands) are supported by fglrx.
[14:59] <roothorick> yeah, I suppose 2xxx isn't all that new
[14:59] <lun4tic> Daekdroom: when i tried to deactivate it on the laptop the colors were fine but flash kept crashing. on the PC everything was fine and i did nothing besides updating
[14:59] <roothorick> still, the HD2xxx are probably better supported in DRI
[14:59] <lun4tic> Daekdroom: im pretty sure both use acceleration
[15:00] <lun4tic> Daekdroom: i dont have anything set in /etc/adobe so its just the default settings
[15:00] <Daekdroom> roothorick, they have better powermanagement in fglrx
[15:00] <Daekdroom> and better 3D too
[15:01] <ScorpKing> hi guys. I'm having problems with high cpu usage from the migration/0/1 processes. is there something I can do to sort it out?
[15:01] <roothorick> Daekdroom: is it worth the 2D problems though? (Not just performance issues, but I had serious artifacting problems with my 4850)
[15:05] <georgelappies> why does empathy irc client thrash the disc so much?
[15:13] <bouma> hello guys i just downloaded the desktop-amd iso for ub1204beta2 and unfortunately when the installer starts the screen goes blank and it is not possible to interact
[15:13] <bouma> can someone recommend a kernel option?
[15:13] <bouma> i'd love to check out 1204b2 i've made a partition specially
[15:14] <kklimonda> nomodeset xforcevesa
[15:14] <bouma> either or one at a time?
[15:14] <bouma> or both
[15:14] <kklimonda> try either one, and if it's not enough you can as well try both - I haven't used it in a long time so I don't quite remember how they work
[15:15] <bouma> ive got a nvidia gtx550ti so i'm surprised that its balking
[15:15] <kklimonda> yeah, that's weird
[15:15] <bouma> would it be using nouveau's fb now rather than in previous installer?
[15:16] <kklimonda> it should be supported perfectly by nouveau, mine 560ti was
[15:16] <kklimonda> you could also try downloading the current daily live cd
[15:16] <bouma> hrm. well im happy to provide support
[15:16] <bouma> uh i might try zsyncing it against the beta2
[15:16] <bouma> is that likely to save much bandwith?
[15:17] <bouma> unfortunately my "broadband" is slower than a modem :(
[15:17] <kklimonda> well, you can try but it's been some time since beta2 release so the diff is going to be rather big
[15:17] <kklimonda> ouch
[15:18] <bouma> kklimonda: hrm the daily should be more stable than beta2 right?
[15:18] <bouma> i mean theyre only adding fixes now
[15:18] <kklimonda> depends on a day, but yeah ;)
[15:18] <bouma> although software has sideeffects etc
[15:19] <bouma> yeah knowing my luck and the date it would wipe all my hdds
[15:19] <bouma> is xen working well with precise ?
[15:19] <kklimonda> first try with nomodeset xforcevesa, it may help get through the installer
[15:20] <kklimonda> then you can install binary nvidia blob
[15:20] <bouma> im looking forward to using it specifically because im hoping it will work better than in previous ubuntus
[15:20] <kklimonda> dunno about dom0, but domU works fine
[15:21] <bouma> oh well i was thinking a ub1204 dom0
[15:21] <bouma> perhaps debian is keeping it simpler
[15:22] <kklimonda> it's definitely in the kernel, but most focus goes to kvm (and, recently, lxc)
[15:22] <bouma> but im strangely getting to like unity. the keyboard use case is quite nice, once they get 'files' and different media actually searching the filesystem effectively it will be awesome
[15:23] <bouma> btw i could never figure out if you find a file in unity you cant right click and find out where it is or interact with it. its a pity its not a nautilus widget
[15:23] <bouma> or that it didnt behave more like one
[15:24] <athleticdude> yeah right click is sort of a thing of the past in unity and gnome-shell
[15:26] <athleticdude> it's really had to decide whether i like gnome-shell or unity better, every day i usually find something i really like about both of them
[15:26] <athleticdude> i hated unity for the longest time, especially how slow it behaved in 11.10
[15:26] <kklimonda> both are nice, it really comes down to your personal preference
[15:26] <athleticdude> but in 12.04 it's zippy
[15:27] <kklimonda> although Ubuntu is not the best distribution if you want to use pure gnome
[15:27] <bouma> what are the chances i'll get a good result by upgrading 11.08
[15:28] <kklimonda> upgrades have always been hit&miss
[15:28] <kklimonda> depends on what you have installed
[15:28] <athleticdude> why not? i think it runs pretty well on 12.04
[15:28] <bouma> i've got matlab and mathematica and it would be nice to not have to reactive them
[15:28] <kklimonda> the more packages, the more local changes you make, the less likely is that the upgrade is going to be smooth
[15:28] <kklimonda> but I  did upgrade 11.10 to 12.04 recently without any issues
[15:29] <kklimonda> athleticdude: it's not really being a focus of canonical anymore so quite a lot packages are lagging behind
[15:29] <kklimonda> athleticdude: just to mention old gdm and totem versions
[15:29] <bouma> few local changes, just a range of apt-get installed packages, ie tex.. etc.. the only manually installed stuff is in /opt.. ie intel non comercial compiler, cuda sdk, matlab, mathematica
[15:32] <athleticdude> the shell works pretty well for me and the repos in ubuntu are much more to my liking than fedora or debian
[15:33] <mkultra_> k upon update my video broke also
[15:35] <athleticdude> i suggest a clean install at some point, unless you want to do a lot of cleanup of old configs, etc
[15:36] <lun4tic> ok i have hardrive space issues on my laptop as well. time to get rid of them windows partitions for good :D
[15:37] <roothorick> have we figured anything out related to the abysmal nvidia performance yet?
[15:37] <kklimonda> works fine here
[15:37] <roothorick> also, nouveau is worthless. Serious graphics corruption, totally unusable
[15:38] <roothorick> apparently it's certain GPUs
[15:38] <athleticdude> roothorick, with the most recent kernel they've been trying to improve it, what kernel are you running?
[15:38] <Arnold> From my end, it works fast, I guess even faster than with Nouveau. But compiz still consumes enormous amount of memory while in use.
[15:39] <roothorick> 3.2.0-23
[15:39] <roothorick> so it's a kernel thing?
[15:40] <athleticdude> yeah
[15:40] <roothorick> should I try an older kernel?
[15:42] <mkultra_> i found out that i suffer from it too
[15:42] <kklimonda> roothorick: you don't get any errors in dmesg/Xorg.log.0 ?
[15:42] <egolost> if people have problems with nvidia drivers being unable to load at boot sometimes.
[15:42] <egolost> there is a race condition.
[15:42] <roothorick> it loads, but OGL performance is absolutely abysmal
[15:42] <egolost> adding sleep 2 to the lightdm startup will temp fix it.
[15:42] <mkultra_> my opengl is CRAWLING right now
[15:42] <athleticdude> unfortunately if you haven't been fixed in the most recent kernel you probably won't see any improvement until 12.04.1 or 12.04.2   :(
[15:43] <roothorick> I can't use full Unity at all. I'm stuck with 2D.
[15:43] <roothorick> it doesn't even switch over correctly
[15:43] <egolost> roothorick: ohh :(
[15:43] <kklimonda> roothorick: I'd try asking on #ubuntu-x
[15:43] <mkultra_> 30 frames in 5.1 seconds =  5.830 FPS
[15:43] <mkultra_> LOL
[15:43] <roothorick> that's exactly what I'm seeing
[15:44] <athleticdude> fill out a bug report on launchpad
[15:44] <mkultra_> somethings totally messed up
[15:44] <mkultra_> i did
[15:44] <roothorick> link
[15:44] <mkultra_> idk i just filed it and leave it to the stack
[15:45] <mkultra_> give the devs something to look at
[15:45] <roothorick> if I manually select unity2d at the login screen I get a usable desktop
[15:45] <roothorick> but glxgears runs 5fps and anything else 3D just freezes
[15:45] <mkultra_> yeah i only have 2d right now also
[15:46] <mkultra_> before update it worked lol
[15:46] <mkultra_> someone put a wrench in a gear
[15:46] <athleticdude> have you tried a daily iso?
[15:46] <mkultra_> ive been updating daily
[15:46] <mkultra_> giving more and more feedback
[15:47] <c_smith2> hello, I'm trying to transfer some songs to my MTP device with Rhythmbox and I keep getting errors like Unable to send file to MTP device: PTP Layer error 02fe: get_u64_from_object(): could not get unsigned 64bit integer from object. is there anything I could try?
[15:47] <gnu-dio> If you don't update daily, you end up with hundreds of megs in updates pretty quick ;)
[15:47] <roothorick> great, launchpad search is broken
[15:47] <mkultra_> you probably need to load the device in nautilus first, then transfer to it
[15:48] <athleticdude> that sucks, i had the same problem with nvidia about a month ago but updates cleared it up
[15:48] <roothorick> mkultra_: I'd really appreciate it if you could dig through your browser history for that bug
[15:49] <athleticdude> i've found a lot of help with workarounds for bugs on ubuntuforums, some pretty smart people on the precise forum in there
[15:49] <mkultra_> i do alot of stuff from source
[16:12] <mkultra_> yeah my systems all messed up
[16:15] <kklimonda> well, it's not a problem - just install everything in /opt
[16:17] <roothorick> it's a regression!
[16:17] <roothorick> I rolled back to 295.33 and have 3D Unity back
[16:19] <snadge> is gnome-session-fallback supposed to be removed in the latest updates? :p
[16:23] <mysticalone> Anyone known issues updating packages with kernel 3.3?
[16:23] <genii-around> Small but annoying: "asking for cache data failed" ..."Assuming drive cache: write through" streaming continuously to the console for my CD drive. Even when I have write_cache = off, lookahead = off, and quiet set in my hdparm.conf
[16:24] <kklimonda> snadge: mirror skew
[16:25] <mysticalone> is there a way to roll back the updates from apt-get upgrade?
[16:26] <kklimonda> mysticalone: you should still have old packages in /var/cache/apt/archives and you can try downgrading them, but it's not supported and there were cases when something broke after doing that
[16:27] <doug_f> When is the final freeze?
[16:27] <mkultra_> im just gonna wait for a fix
[16:28] <mysticalone> I'll try to image the disk then
[16:28] <doug_f> Is it today or last tuesday?
[16:29] <kklimonda> doug_f: last tuesday
[16:29] <doug_f> kklimonda thanks.
[16:31] <mysticalone> dd sure is amazing
[16:32] <mkultra_> yeah dd is the 1
[16:34] <doug_f> has anyone had some trouble with Ubuntu-classic? Alt+Tab will not work in my upgrade.
[16:36] <mysticalone> have you checked the keyboard shortcuts?
[16:37] <doug_f> mysticalone, not really didnt think there. I will have to check it next time I am in there. Thanks for the heads up.
[16:47] <mysticalone> I seem to have jumped the gun when installing Kernel 3.3
[16:48] <mysticalone> is there any improvement over 3.2 ? From my understanding the power management is already included with 12.04
[17:00] <veinos> Hey, im new to linux and gave ubuntu 12.04 a go hoping it had better dual monitor support, anyone with some knowledge in that aspect?
[17:00] <veinos> I have it setted up, but can't configure as I'd like to, (different wallpaper etc)
[17:01] <veinos> my desktop cube also only has 1 face (2 virtual workspace) while I have 4
[17:04] <veinos> alrighty, cube thing is fixed :)
[17:04] <veinos> had the horizontal/vertical number of desktop set wrong
[17:22] <xsl> guys is it ok to install basket on unity ?
[17:22] <xsl> it asks for alot of kde stuff
[17:23] <jtaylor> xsl: thats normally no problem
[17:23] <xsl> tyvm
[17:39] <ironhalik> hmm, ok
[17:39] <ironhalik> wanted to try out some new feature - how do I install software, via software center, with drag and drop?
[17:42] <AlfE_> hello
[17:42] <AlfE_> i have a problem with kubuntu 12.04
[17:43] <AlfE_> specificially this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/977094
[17:44] <AlfE_> is there some temporary fix for this?
[17:48] <AlfE_> as this happens on a fresh iso in live mode too, it is quite a showstopper
[17:54] <GirlyGirl> AlfE_: There is an option in system settings to automount storage devices
[17:59] <graingert> subman: I'm getting the same issue as you
[18:00] <graingert> subman: very bad 3d desktop support
[18:00] <subman> graingert, It seems to be affecting many....
[18:00] <graingert> subman: is it nvidia only?
[18:00] <subman> graingert, not sure, but I think so.
[18:01] <graingert> have you written up a bug report?
[18:01] <graingert> subman: or shall I?
[18:02] <subman> graingert, If you can that would be great.  I tried to submit one but it told me that I couldn't because my compiz packages were obsolete!
[18:02] <graingert> well I'm just running an up(date/grade)
[18:03] <subman> graingert, let's see what that does.
[18:03] <graingert> apt-get update updates repo info, update-manager runs apt-get upgrade
[18:03] <graingert> should be upgrade-manager
[18:03] <Daekdroom> update-manager does both.
[18:03] <graingert> true
[18:03] <graingert> what about up(date/grade)-manager
[18:04] <Daekdroom> What about sticking with the name already out there for the sake of not breaking compatibility and making a bunch of tutorials obsolete?
[18:04] <graingert> never
[18:04] <AlfE_> GirlyGirl: Yes, but shouldn't it work either if you do it directly in the device notifier settings?
[18:04] <Daekdroom> But yeah, the name bothers me too
[18:04] <graingert> technicalities > usability
[18:05] <graingert> subman: what's the issue you get?
[18:05] <graingert> I get accelerated/3D desktops are unusably slow or freeze
[18:05] <subman> graingert, 3D Unity won't book correctly.  No menu bar at top or side.  Compiz crashes and so does Unity
[18:06] <subman> *boot
[18:06] <graingert> subman: what about gnome-shell ?
[18:06] <Timvde> Why is amsn not in the 12.04 repositories?
[18:06] <graingert> Timvde: because empathy is better?
[18:07] <Timvde> graingert: Everybody has his own preference, that's not a valid reason
[18:07] <graingert> amsn lost support from its devs
[18:07] <trism> Timvde: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654540
[18:07] <subman> graingert, Have to reboot....back in a few (I hope!)
[18:07] <graingert> subman: don't reboot
[18:07] <GirlyGirl> AlfE_: It should but it doesn't due to the bug
[18:07] <Timvde> That is a valid reason though :)
[18:07] <graingert> subman: just ctrl+alt+backspace
[18:07] <Daekdroom> RoQA?
[18:07] <graingert> !google RoQA
[18:07] <richardlxc> Results for RoQA on Google:
[18:07] <richardlxc> --
[18:07] <graingert> aw
[18:07] <subman> ctrl+alt+backspace does nothing and has not for some releases now.
[18:08] <Timvde> Although I still prefer aMSN's interface over emesene for example
[18:08] <trism> Daekdroom: RoQA == Requested by the QA team
[18:08] <Daekdroom> aMSN doesn't seem to fit the Ubuntu desktop (or any other, for that matter) at all
[18:09] <graingert> subman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/981019
[18:09] <GirlyGirl> !dontzap | graingert
[18:09] <graingert> !dontzap | subman
[18:11] <subman> graingert, thanks.  I so rarely have to reboot/restart my x server!
[18:11] <graingert> subman: mark that bug report as affecting you
[18:11] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[18:11] <graingert> subman: are you being sarchastic?
[18:11] <Ian_Corne> the ctrl alt backspace has been gone for long, right?
[18:12] <graingert> roothorick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/981019
[18:12] <subman> graingert, actually no.  I really don't reboot all that often!
[18:12] <subman> graingert, ok, marked bug report as affecting me as well.  Thanks for submitting.
[18:13]  * astraljava doesn't recall when he last had to zap X, other than install nVidia proprietary drivers, in which case he Ctrl+Alt+F1'ed and service stopped lightdm.
[18:13] <subman> graingert, I don't remember the last time I actually had to reboot due to a lockup/x server problem.
[18:14] <AlfE_> GirlyGirl: Thanks for confirmation, configuring it in system settings works for now, but it is a bit of an inconvenience
[18:15] <graingert> anyone know how to get back to neuvou?
[18:15] <graingert> nouveau
[18:17] <kklimonda> uninstall binary nvidia driver
[18:18] <cccangel> wow... after doing system updates this version is a little snappier in a few ways.  i like it!
[18:19] <GirlyGirl> cccangel: What is your hardware config?
[18:19] <cccangel> Laptop, 64 bit, Acer Aspire.
[18:20] <cccangel> more detailed would include Intel HD, 4 GB DDR3... hmm... what else...
[18:20] <cccangel> Intel Pentium P6100
[18:22] <cccangel> im setting up new wine to see what the new open source intel drivers compare to windows... something that is always fun to test which involves me playing games :)
[18:23] <GirlyGirl> cccangel: Wondering whether I should give it a go on an Intel Atom 1.6 Ghz, 2GB RAM, GMA 950
[18:23] <cccangel> i actually have one in the house to test it on... maybe. its my fiance's
[18:23] <cccangel> she does want to try it herself... so i might give it a shot later.
[18:23] <GirlyGirl> cccangel: You can't compare drivers like that.
[18:24] <kklimonda> GirlyGirl: it doesn't work too well on atom 1.6 + 2GB ram + i915 gpu (whatever it is)
[18:24] <cccangel> i know. im looking at fps differences from win32 to linux... but
[18:25] <cccangel> my fiance used ubuntu before i got her that notebook with windows and she loves how much responsive it is compared to windows ...
[18:25] <cccangel> when it comes to smaller and cheaper equipment, ubuntu multitasks a lot better.
[18:26] <GirlyGirl> cccangel: Windows 7 and especially 8 are a lot more snappy than Gnome 3 based shell and unity if you ask me
[18:26] <GirlyGirl> speaking for 11.10 here ...
[18:27] <kklimonda> unity got faster on 12.04
[18:28] <cccangel> well my definition of snappy is the ability to multitask without ridiculous lag... something you start getting with windows easily with the spyware, antivirus, and firewall constantly spinning the harddrive (i believe) to check for security intrusions... ontop of running possibly photoshop, web browsing, skype and a variety of other software without closing them out...
[18:29] <cccangel> on my fiance's netbook it cannot handle too much in windows but even in ubuntu 11.10 it was able to multitask a lot better.
[18:30] <GirlyGirl> cccangel: I tried 11.10 on my EeePC 1005HA and it was too slow for me ... might have been gtk3 in general as the UI of gtk3 stuff was slow even under kde
[18:31] <GirlyGirl> cccangel: But I've been using KDE since 2004 so I don't really care about unity but just wanted to try it out
[18:31] <cccangel> hmm... meh.
[18:33] <cccangel> meh, i know KDE is more modern but i always feel like its too bubbly for me.
[18:33] <GirlyGirl> I'll probably try 12.04 again just to have a peek.
[18:35] <GirlyGirl> Unity is to much of a resource hog ... my kde desktop looks like this http://imagebin.org/207946 and has more graphical effects and way more features than Unity but still performs better
[18:36] <Myrtti> GirlyGirl: have fun with KDE then?
[18:37] <GirlyGirl> And on netbooks its more sensible to have the dock at the bottom as horizontal scrolling is not as conveniant as vertical. Netbooks with 1024 horrizontal pixels are an exact fit for most webpages
[18:37] <rotundnut> so guys I installed 12.04 daily build today and I want to revert to normal scrolling, right now the elantech touchpad is scrolling in reverse( as in mobile)!!
[18:37] <rotundnut> please help
[18:39] <graingert> GirlyGirl: gnome-shell all the way
[18:40] <subman> graingert, Even my keyboard does not respond in Unity!  Num Lock and Caps Lock works, but when I try to type into a text box in Firefox to submit yet another bug report, I find I cannot type.
[18:40] <cccangel> well another beautiful thing, is you can have ubuntu and change your layout instead of sticking with something that bothers you.
[18:40] <graingert> subman: try disabling nvidia drivers in jockey
[18:40] <graingert> also remember to comment out the lines in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-current-updates_hybrid.conf
[18:43] <GirlyGirl> rotundnut: In system settings , Input devices uncheck reverse scrolling ... see http://imagebin.org/207949
[18:43] <rotundnut> GirlyGirl: Hey thanks! let me try that
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> rotundnut: Nevermind sorry I though I was in #kubuntu ... that is for kde but there should be something similar in your system settings
[18:45] <subman> graingert, I might just stop messing with things at this point and stick it out in 2D until things get resolved (hopefully)
[18:45] <rotundnut> GirlyGirl: ohh! and I was feeling like a dumbass for not being able to find that setting
[18:46] <graingert> subman: can you see if you are effected by the jockey issue?
[18:46] <subman> graingert, what is the jockey issue?
[18:46] <GirlyGirl> rotundnut: I'm guessing that there must be a similar preference pane in Gnome's system settings under touchpad or mouse or something
[18:46] <graingert> subman: uninstalling nvidia drivers doesn't clean up properly
[18:47] <graingert> there is a module file that kills neuvuea
[18:47] <subman> graingert, Ah, so you'd like me to remove the two drivers and then restart?
[18:47] <graingert> one driver
[18:47] <graingert> disable nvidia from jockey-gtk
[18:47] <rotundnut> GirlyGirl: but thanks to gnome devs there are tons of configuration options in ubuntu .../sarcasm
[18:48] <graingert> subman: you should expect not to be able to boot without commenting out all the lines in the file mentioned, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/981048
[18:48] <graingert> subman: does that file exist on your machine
[18:48] <graingert> basically I want to get it confirmed because it affects multiple users
[18:48] <subman> graingert, 'Additional Drivers' program?  Only has option to Remove the drivers
[18:48] <GirlyGirl> rotundnut: That is expected ... Gnome 3 is new. KDE 4 was worse in the earlier releases like 4.0 but 3x was still maintained at the time
[18:48] <graingert> subman: really
[18:49] <subman> Yes.  Two drivers are available to activate.
[18:49] <graingert> subman: none are active?
[18:49] <subman> Yes, I've tried both.  Same result
[18:49] <graingert> subman: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:49] <rotundnut> girlygirl: sometimes I think I should have stayed with vanilla kde on arch but 12.04 made me a convert
[18:50] <graingert> and pastebin the output of jockey-text --list
[18:50] <graingert> subman: ^
[18:50] <rotundnut> How do you know someone uses/used arch ?
[18:50] <rotundnut> they tell you
[18:50] <subman> graingert, sure, give me a few moments.
[18:51] <GirlyGirl> rotundnut: You can try Kubuntu if you are familiar with kde then
[18:52] <subman> graingert, xorg.conf:  http://pastebin.ca/2135809
[18:52] <graingert> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at pastebin.ca.
[18:52] <rotundnut> GirlyGirl: I think I will.. let me first try sycnlient and manual editing of xorg.conf
[18:53] <subman> graingert, jockey-text --list:  http://pastebin.ca/2135811
[18:54] <graingert> subman: okay try disabling xorg:nvidia_current_updates
[18:54] <graingert> subman: can you just run cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-current-updates_hybrid.conf
[18:56] <subman> graingert, http://pastebin.ca/2135813
[18:56] <graingert> subman: hmm
[18:56] <graingert> interesting
[18:56] <graingert> subman: okay disable or uninstall using jockey-gtk then reboot
[18:57] <graingert> subman: your machine should become unusable
[18:57] <subman> graingert, And that will help me in exactly what way???
[18:57] <graingert> subman: if it is unusable use the recovery console to remove that file
[18:57] <graingert> or comment out those lines 05 -07
[18:58] <jinjorge> anyone notice that in System Settings when in Gnome desktop, one can't add a printer
[18:58] <graingert> subman: basically I need to get that bug confirmed so it will be looked at
[18:58] <glosoli> Anyone else getting stuck on reboot or shutdown from time to time ?
[18:58] <graingert> subman: or you could just mark it as effecting you
[18:58] <graingert> subman: and say you tried it
[18:58] <subman> graingert, I did that awhile ago.
[18:59] <subman> graingert, I will bring a spare netbook with me tomorrow and mess around again.  This is my only machine I have at the moment!
[19:18] <alkisg> How can I set gnome-fallback as the system-wide default session for all users?
[19:19] <alkisg> It's not listed in update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[19:20] <Gorilla_No_Baka> hello everyone..
[19:21] <Gorilla_No_Baka> right.. Quick question... why has been the graphical root login disabled in pangolin?
[19:23] <guntbert> Gorilla_No_Baka: support channels are ususally not the places for "why" questions, more  so for "how" questions
[19:23] <Gorilla_No_Baka> guntbert:  true :)
[19:23] <Gorilla_No_Baka> i was just curious..
[19:24] <Gorilla_No_Baka> normal procedure was you enable the root account and password from terminal and then you can log in on restart
[19:24] <Gorilla_No_Baka> well not anymore.. as i just find out
[19:25] <guntbert> Gorilla_No_Baka: apart from that: enabling root is generally not supported
[19:26] <Gorilla_No_Baka> lol
[19:26] <Gorilla_No_Baka> but of course is not..
[19:26] <Gorilla_No_Baka> i am not asking how (i already know how) i was curious WHY
[19:27] <guntbert> Gorilla_No_Baka: and its off topic in a support channel
[19:27] <Gorilla_No_Baka> asking WHY is off topic?!! wow..!! Really?
[19:28] <guntbert> Gorilla_No_Baka: asking about root login is...
[19:28] <Gorilla_No_Baka> read my lines above.. I am not asking about what you are thinking i was asking.. (i already know how to..) i was aking WHY
[19:29] <Pici> iirc, logging in with the root account graphically has been disabled for a while.
[19:29] <Pici> I remember trying it for some reason or other at some point and getting an error message.
[19:30] <Myrtti> in my books logging in as root into the GUI is ... oh man.
[19:30] <Gorilla_No_Baka> Pici:  there is no error message.. it worky quite nicely..
[19:30] <cccangel> Gorilla_No_Baka, the common idea is you always need admin access throughout your session (for example windows).  If we do use windows as an example whereas many are using admin, your basically telling every process that it access close to immediate access to altering your system.
[19:31] <Myrtti> Gorilla_No_Baka: since you like asking "why", may I ask "why not"? Because I can't for the life of me understand WHY you'd need root for the whole session.
[19:31] <cccangel> this common idea is not necessary in using Ubuntu
[19:31] <Gorilla_No_Baka> Myrtti:  oh man.. well.. i know you are a hard core terminal user.. but even you have to recognize sometimes is a lot more convenient to be in a gui :)
[19:31] <Myrtti> Gorilla_No_Baka: gksudo is for that
[19:32] <cccangel> if you seriously want to login at root (only at terminal) type in sudo -i
[19:32] <Myrtti> applications that require root access generally know how to ask for it, and even if they don't know, they can be elevated with gksudo. But *most* applications in GUI Ubuntu should not be run with root priviledges, so, again: "Why would you need the whole session to be running on root privs?"
[19:33]  * cccangel wonders why the many of users that turn off UAC have problems with windows...
[19:33] <Gorilla_No_Baka> sudo /gksudo they all work nice.. no probs from this part.. is the fact that well .. you know what i mean.. One would like to have full control on  his OS as it sees fits. having to go the /etc/gdm/ and mess around there should not be neccessary once you did your terminal thing and enabled root
[19:33] <Gorilla_No_Baka> my 2 cents
[19:34] <cccangel> you DO have full control over the system.
[19:34] <alkisg> sudo nautilus /etc/gdm, if you want that
[19:34] <Myrtti> sudo nautilus.... just not
[19:34] <cccangel> want root access to nautilus? go to terminal and type sudo nautilus.  want root terminal access, type sudo -i
[19:34] <Myrtti> no...
[19:34] <Pici> no
[19:34] <Pici> !gksudo | alkisg cccangel
[19:35] <Myrtti> if you need root access in nautilus, atleast use gksudo
[19:35] <Pici> Myrtti: sorry, lurking and typing fast.
[19:35] <cccangel> meh... gksudo must be new b/c i seen it but never used it yet lol
[19:35] <Myrtti> Pici: I was too busy facepalming, you did better
[19:35] <cccangel> off to install a printer now
[19:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> :)
[19:35] <Myrtti> cccangel: been in Ubuntu since the start
[19:35] <alkisg> There's sudo -i, sudo -E, su -, lots of ways to modify your environment properly
[19:36] <cccangel> pretty much...
[19:36] <Myrtti> alkisg: and for GUI apps it's gksudo, always and almost without exceptions.
[19:38] <Gorilla_No_Baka> anyway.. nevermind.. that's just one of the little annoyances in ubuntu i guess.. I always tell my friend he should switch over to debian where life is a lot more simpler :)
[19:39] <cccangel> hehe... print test is different from 11.10 to 12.04
[19:40] <Gorilla_No_Baka> on a different note.. On a ubuntu 12 on a  btrfs partition currently gets me an "Error: sparse files not allowed" has anybody experienced that?
[19:44] <graingert> subman: kk
[20:02] <subman> graingert, I'm running version of 2.1.2 NVIDIA 295.40,  same for you?  Can we not just regress to a previous version?
[20:05] <skywatcher78> hi to everyone!! ;-)
[20:06] <skywatcher78> in behalf of precise [12.04] i have a question regarding utf8 support in mysql package - is there anybody who might be able to help me?
[20:07] <graingert> subman: could do
[20:07] <graingert> but using the os drivers works for me
[20:15] <subman> graingert, ah, got you.
[20:27] <skywatcher78> in behalf of precise [12.04] i have a question regarding utf8 support in mysql package - is there anybody who might be able to help me?
[20:28] <spacecase-25> Hello, I'm having trouble connecting to network shares.  I can connect to and browse AFP shares, but as soon as i try to upload a file it unmounts and I get an error saying the share isn't mounted.  If I try to connect to an SMB server, it just ask me for my password over and over
[20:39] <skywatcher78> in behalf of precise [12.04] i have a question regarding utf8 support in mysql package - is there anybody who might be able to help me?
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> just ask your question
[20:52] <vatueil> hi, in 12.04 how can i disable the scrollbar buttons that show on hover?
[20:55] <david_r> Hi folks, I'm trying to maximize a window across multiple monitors -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/73573/how-to-maximise-a-window-across-two-monitors -- this worked for me in 11.10 but not now in 12.04.  Any advice?
[20:55] <LetterRip> hi all - any idea why ubuntu is downloading all i386 and x64 packages instead of just the x64 packages?
[20:55] <LetterRip> i'm on an amd64
[20:55] <LetterRip> system
[20:56] <jtaylor> LetterRip: you probably installed a 32 bit program
[20:57] <LetterRip> jtaylor - quite possibly i have one 32 bit program on here, somewhere, pretty sure it doesn't require every 32 bit package to be installed
[20:57] <jtaylor> it probably does
[20:58] <jtaylor> you need a 32 bit version of all libraries it needs
[20:58] <LetterRip> jtaylor: ubuntu might be configured to install all 32 bit libraries because of it - but there isn't any actual dependency
[20:59] <jtaylor> LetterRip: do you have ia32-libs-multiarch installed?
[20:59] <jtaylor> LetterRip: that pulls a bunch of stuff you likely don't need
[21:00] <LetterRip> jtaylor: that does appear to be installed
[21:01] <jtaylor> LetterRip: you could autoremove it, but then your 32 bit application may stop working until you installed what is needed again
[21:01] <LetterRip> ok
[21:03] <Kiryx> Hi
[21:04] <Kiryx> If I installed ubuntu beta right now, Would I be able to update to full release cleanly, or should I wait for official release ?
[21:04] <jtaylor> Kiryx: update will very likely be clean
[21:04] <jtaylor> archive is in final freeze
[21:05] <Kiryx> jtaylor: Thanks
[21:05] <Kiryx> oh, btw, do you happen to know how does support for Intel HD 3000 Graphics go with 12.04 ?
[21:08] <jtaylor> no idea
[21:09] <skywatcher78> i have a problem setting standard collation to utf8_general_ci
[21:10] <skywatcher78> in old 10.04 this worked with default-character-set=utf8, now this should work with character-set-server  ??
[21:10] <skywatcher78> but it doesn't
[21:10] <skywatcher78> i tried it approx. 20 times or so
[21:11] <skywatcher78> when i let the typo3 installer create the needed tables in the mysql db it creates those in utf8_swedish_ci instead of general_ci
[21:12] <skywatcher78> am i doing sth wrong?
[21:12] <skywatcher78> see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/+bug/958120
[21:12] <skywatcher78> indeed
[21:17] <smallfoot-> GNOME Classic (gnome-session-fallback) is broken
[21:17] <skywatcher78> ubottu: i am the one who confirmed the bug. what can i do? is it my fault? maybe i'm doing something terribly wrong??
[21:17] <skywatcher78> ooops
[21:17] <skywatcher78> ;-)
[21:18] <skywatcher78> somebody else than the bot maybe??
[21:22] <kklimonda> smallfoot-: it's a bit vague for a bug report
[21:22] <kklimonda> smallfoot-: I'd suggest reporting it on LP with ubuntu-bug gnome-session-fallback
[21:23] <smallfoot-> they dont fix it
[21:28] <smallfoot-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/973559
[21:28] <yofel> hm. Anyone else get an unstable wireless connection with iwlwifi on the last ~2 kernels when connected over 11n? Here it randomly stops transferring data and pinging the router results in http://paste.ubuntu.com/928547/ (notice the packet loss)
[21:28] <yofel> doesn't happen when connected to a 11g network interestingly
[21:29] <yofel> restarting the kernel module works for a few hours, but then fails again
[21:37] <vexati0n> how do i get rid of this ridiculous on-screen keyboard when unlocking the computer ?
[21:41] <skywatcher78> no idea at all?? so its my fault, but where or how?
[22:35] <Poliv> hi all
[22:35] <Poliv> will the next lubuntu 12.04 alternate support full disk encryption ? please
[22:44] <astraljava> Poliv: As far as I know, FDE still isn't an option, the boot partition still needs to be left un-encrypted.
[22:45] <astraljava> Poliv: But there are the daily install images, you could test it in a virtual manager of choice, I am not 100% about this.
[22:50] <Poliv> astraljava: yes sorry my fault, i meant encryption as older versions of alternate, with boot unencrypted
[22:50] <Poliv> ...
[22:51] <astraljava> Poliv: Yeah, I doubt they'd have dropped that.
[22:52] <Poliv> astraljava: hope that but i didn't saw it on the link .. i was scared :) thanks !
[23:00] <pangolin> Since the upgrade to 3.2.0-23-generic my system is basically unusable. Desktop loads slowly and after it is fully loaded it is basically a screen saver because no matter what i click there is no response, this is with Kubuntu. Anybody experience this?
[23:00] <pangolin> currently booted to 3.2.0-22-generic, runs fine.
[23:00] <pangolin> oh, also have nvidia-current Installed: 295.40-0ubuntu1
[23:14] <subman> pangolin, 3D desktops with NVidia card?
[23:15] <pangolin> subman, umm, I suppose so. I don't use any special effects or anything.
[23:15] <subman> No, I have the same issue.  I have to use 2D desktop for now.  Bug has been submitted
[23:16] <pangolin> you have a bug number?
[23:16] <subman> Let me look it up again...
[23:16] <pangolin> thanks
[23:17] <subman> pangolin, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/981019
[23:17] <pangolin> thank you
[23:26] <bjsnider> why is that a bug in nvidia-common?
[23:27] <EvilResistance> good question
[23:40] <scientes_> gnome shell and unity dont work since i upgraded to 3.2.0-22
[23:40] <scientes_> however glxgears still works
[23:58] <Fudge> hi is it possible to get a precise powerpc image that isnt oversized?


 We've received enough resistance about dropping i386 that I made a section in our weekly newsletter (which everyone should totally read :D) detailing what we're doing going forward: … https://lubuntu.me/this-week-in-lubuntu-development-7/
 The tl;dr is, you don't test, we don't release and we don't release ever again.
[23:25] <mparillo> The way I read it, without adequate testing, Lubuntu will not only not release i386 ISOs, it will not support i386 at all, as it consistently says support, rather than referring to ISOs
[23:26] <mparillo> Wait
[23:26] <mparillo> Maybe not. Because you say images. Sorry.
[23:26] <tsimonq2> That's not wrong.