[01:26] <erichammond> Natty increased my usable vertical space by moving the application menus to the top bar.
[01:26] <erichammond> Then I gained even more when I realized I have no need for window decorations.  It looks odd at first,but I'm loving it now.
[01:27] <erichammond> window decorations = that window manager border around every window that you use to drag, resize, close, maximize, minimize.
[01:27] <erichammond> I already use keystrokes for all of these functions, so the only good it was doing was giving me a title.  So far, I have been able to live without that.
[02:41] <akk> So, I have no idea if this is true, but there's a rumor (posted to BALUG) that Intel is giving out EXOPC tablets to everyone who attends their meego developer camp tomorrow at Moscone.
[02:41] <akk> http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/events
[02:42] <akk> (if anybody finds confirmation of this I'd love to know)
[02:43] <MarkDude> That would be cool
[03:03] <pleia2> I heard that rumor too (not from balug)
[03:04] <pleia2> and Moscone is right next to Thirsty Bear where we are having our release party tomorrow evening :)
[03:14] <akk> For me it means missing a half day of work and being an hour or two late to dinner, so I'd love to see confirmation somewhere before committing.
[03:15] <akk> (A meego dev session is of no use to me if I don't have any meego hardware, anyway)
[04:48] <nhaines> Now I just need CD artwork for natty.
[04:48]  * nhaines glares at the Internet.
[05:31] <nhaines> And now that I have the CD and sleeve artwork for natty, of course it's unsuitable for LightScribe discs.  :P
[05:33] <broder> they posted the artwork? where?
[05:33] <nhaines> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing/#CD%20Distribution%20Materials
[05:34] <nhaines> Ooh, the server CD image is pretty.  :)
[05:53] <nhaines> Didn't take too long to convert the server image to an inverted one.  :)
[05:59] <nhaines> Okay, the official artwork actually came out pretty beautiful.
[06:55] <crashsystems> Is it out yet? I hear its the 28th in Asia right now!

[06:57] <philipballew> wouldnt it get relaised in british time?
[06:58] <philipballew> maybe im wrong
[06:58] <sn9> there's an faq about that somewhere
[07:02] <philipballew> i doubt its ca time though
[07:34] <MarkDude> jo no, answered that in his Q&A today- one person decides when it goes live- I forget their name- I was not fully listening at that point
[07:34] <MarkDude> It always varies a bit
[07:58] <MarkDude> A friend said about the release- Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol.
[16:33] <jdeslip> Happy release day
[17:04] <pleia2> happy release day :)
[17:05] <akk> Here, have some balloons! ~o ~O ~o
[17:06] <projectdp> those don't look like balloons :(
[17:07] <iheartubuntu> thanks pleia2!
[17:50] <jamalta> Happy release day! :)
[17:51] <jdeslip> Seem's like Natty is meeting near universal praise for tech people who don't actually use Linux, and near Universal condemnation from current Linux/Ubuntu users ;)
[17:51] <akk> heh
[17:51] <akk> Not surprising from reading the usability test thread, where they only tested things on windows and mac users.
[17:52] <jdeslip> Ya
[17:52] <akk> I'm increasingly thinking ubuntu wants to be the "starter linux distro" -- get people switched over, then when they learn more they can migrate off to other distros.
[17:52] <akk> They don't seem too concerned about retention of existing users.
[17:52] <jdeslip> I gotta say, I see Natty as pretty significant downgrade in my computing experience.  But, I'm going to stick it out (on my laptop at least) in hopes things improve dramatically over the next cycle.
[17:53] <pleia2> to be fair, gnome3 is a major shift too, so if it wasn't unity this release it would be the major UI change of gnome3 next release
[17:53] <jdeslip> pleia2: agreed
[17:53] <pleia2> they actually are pretty similar
[17:53] <jdeslip> My desktop on all our work cmoputers are sticking with 10.10 for the forseable future
[17:53] <MarkDude> pleia2, jdeslip  - I am planning for the Local Team table for OSCON
[17:54] <pleia2> MarkDude: cool, working with the OR folks?
[17:54] <MarkDude> Oregon looks like it will have enough folks to have its own table
[17:54] <jamalta> Oh weird, since when does .ssh/known_hosts not keep the actual hostname?
[17:54] <jdeslip> MarkDude: sounds good
[17:54] <MarkDude> They are having a release party Sat
[17:54]  * MarkDude talked to paultag yesterday
[17:54]  * pleia2 nods
[17:54]  * MarkDude think that CA and WA could do a table again
[17:55] <pleia2> well, we don't want to be overbearing for the team which is there :)
[17:55] <pleia2> we have plenty of our own events, let them have theirs
[17:55] <MarkDude> and I can start it off by contacting May from Oreilly and CC you folks and Linda from WA
[17:55] <MarkDude> They offered 2 tables last year
[17:56] <MarkDude> There will be all sorts of local folks there
[17:56] <pleia2> maybe you should just volunteer to participate in their table?
[17:56] <MarkDude> last year - the request for the CDs was too late
[17:56]  * MarkDude is doing it earlier this time
[17:56] <pleia2> yeah, you need to do it at least 6 weeks prior to (I think their request was about 4 weeks last time?)
[17:57] <MarkDude> Well technically I am still lead for Oregon
[17:57] <pleia2> yikes
[17:57] <pleia2> should sort that out :)
[17:57] <MarkDude> And hope to have my replacement around the time of OSCON
[17:58] <MarkDude> Yes- I know :) I have been organizing events up there- it was funny when I was asked if I would be there-
[17:58] <MarkDude> Had to explain that I was a bit south of them- and wont be there til July ;)
[17:59] <MarkDude> If Ca does not want to share a table with WA- then it would be Oregon and WA
[17:59] <MarkDude> and that opens up the PNW can of worms that should not be opened- this transition should be smooth- and not open up old stuff, imho
[17:59] <pleia2> WA and OR sharing one probably makes the most sense
[18:00] <pleia2> they are both small teams
[18:01] <MarkDude> Well we can PM sometime about it- but there is a history with what happened with the PNW team
[18:01] <MarkDude> That has some REALLY, REALLY bad potential
[18:01] <pleia2> and I don't want to be seen as a state that invades other ones for events when we have plenty of our own
[18:01] <MarkDude> We had a table last year
[18:01] <MarkDude> shared with CA and WA
[18:02] <MarkDude> Ryan Singer , valorie, and myself mostly
[18:02] <MarkDude> So the change would be CA NOT having a table shared as it did last year
[18:02] <pleia2> I've participated in other team events, but never brought along my own team stuff, just helped the teams there
[18:03] <MarkDude> Well Oregon CANT request a regular conference pack
[18:03] <MarkDude> WA and CA can
[18:03] <pleia2> they can request a regular one, just not the approved team pack
[18:03] <MarkDude> So if it is just OR- then it will be smaller than last year
[18:03]  * MarkDude knows :)
[18:04] <MarkDude> it would be a downgrade then
[18:04] <MarkDude> as oppsed to growth
[18:04] <pleia2> so have WA and OR do it :)
[18:04] <pleia2> really, we don't want to be the over-aggressive southern sister loco
[18:04] <MarkDude> CA is invited -
[18:04] <pleia2> by you?
[18:04] <MarkDude> and has had a presence for the last two years
[18:05] <MarkDude> by oreilly
[18:05] <pleia2> you can do what you like, I don't have a formal objection, just offering my opinion
[18:05] <MarkDude> well please trust me on CA being HELPFUL here
[18:06] <MarkDude> it is  matter of making sure WA does not have to do the heavy lifting
[18:06] <MarkDude> other teams besides CA and WA are invited to help
[18:07] <jdeslip> Is anyone from CA going besides you MarkDude?
[18:07] <MarkDude> Yes at least 3 folks from GidgetKitchen
[18:07] <MarkDude> as well as one of the GK founders now in Portland
[18:07] <MarkDude> Ryan will be there
[18:07] <MarkDude> We have a sponsored house this year :D
[18:08] <MarkDude> Ryan is a marketing GOD
[18:09] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Is there is more than one Ubuntu LoCo table there??  Why not just have one really big one put on by the WA team that anyone can join if they like?
[18:09] <jdeslip> err OR team I guess
[18:10] <MarkDude> Well - Oregon is having ONE goal there- to recruit folsk to join their team
[18:11] <MarkDude> Last year the Ubuntu table was to provide info about Ubuntu in general
[18:11] <MarkDude> Canonical did NOT have a table there last year
[18:12] <MarkDude> So information about the #3 OS was provided by the Ubuntu table
[18:20] <MarkDude> Anyway, we can talk later,
[18:20]  * MarkDude sorta has his mind made up here- I can see about having a formal invite sent to the team leads
[18:27] <MarkDude> ALL of you headed to the Thirsty bear- take a camera
[18:27] <MarkDude> take pictures
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> i was curious... does the CA team have to pay fees for booths at events like scale?
[18:29] <pleia2> scale we didn't
[18:30] <pleia2> solano stroll we did I think
[18:30] <pleia2> depends on the event, their policies for non-5013c clubs, etc
[18:31] <MarkDude> No fees
[18:32] <MarkDude> Oreilly provides it fro free
[18:32]  * MarkDude has to leave the coffee shop now- and go do some actual lifting and sweating work
[18:33] <MarkDude> jdeslip, I can put it in an email later- no hurry on the time- we have time til OSCON
[18:37] <nhaines> If after 3 years the Oregon LoCo still can't put on an event I wonder if they need some big changes.
[18:43] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I actually don't know what you are proposing, but I don't see any problem with CA team members (or anyone else for that matter) spending some time at the Ubuntu Oregon LoCo booth at OSCON to help out.
[19:13] <nhaines> jdeslip: He wants the California and Washington teams to run the table.
[19:13] <nhaines> Although it sounds more like he actually wants California Team to run the table with Washington Team in a support role.
[19:13] <nhaines> Which is silly, because all a table needs is bodies, and maybe CDs.
[20:25] <kdubois> "natty", weird adjective for a whale. natty was the cheapest beer back on campus.... :)
[20:31] <iheartubuntu>  i just saw that at the store the other day. Id never heard of a Natty beer before!
[20:32] <iheartubuntu> Natty = Dreadlocked OS in the heart of America! Woo yo yoo! Woo yoo yoo yoo... Ubuntu Soldier, Dreadlocked OS
[20:32] <seidos> beer:  the money pit of a new generation
[20:32] <seidos> i wish i could say how much $ i wasted on beer
[20:33] <seidos> heffeweizzen, negra modelo, all kinds of India Pale Ales
[20:33] <iheartubuntu> i dont think its a waste :)
[20:33] <iheartubuntu> although it literally turns into waste
[20:33] <seidos> at one point i was like "why don't i try to get the most alcohol for the $?"
[20:33] <seidos> you know, that's value...
[20:33] <iheartubuntu> do you waste it or did it waste you? :)
[20:33] <seidos> dude, i'm totally wasted
[20:34]  * seidos crashes his laptop
[20:35] <iheartubuntu> I have a place near me with something like 50 beers on tap. way better and fresher than say yard house
[20:35] <iheartubuntu> a 36 oz large is $10
[20:35] <iheartubuntu> I once had 3 of those. yikes
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> I went down to 2 of them for a while. now i cant finish one
[20:37]  * seidos wanders off to #iheartubuntu to talk about vodka and bourbon
[20:37] <pleia2> release party tonight at thirsty bear \o/
[20:37] <iheartubuntu> would you like soem authentic granny made vodka
[20:37] <kdubois> iheartubuntu: natty is pretty low-par beer. doesn't even really taste like real beer
[20:41] <jamalta> Wow, I just noticed Natty's multitouch stuff works... using 3-fingers will move the current window.. so awesome!
[20:42] <sn9> well, that's more than my three fingers have ever been able to do before
[20:42]  * seidos stays away from thirsty bears in san francisco
[20:43]  * sn9 is not going to SF tonight
[20:44] <iheartubuntu> who makes natty beer
[20:46] <seidos> sn9: you're more like a bruin, no?
[20:47] <sn9> ?
[20:47]  * sn9 weighs 170 or so
[20:49] <seidos> bears wear like 400 or so
[20:49] <seidos> weigh*
[20:49] <seidos> T_T
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> wow did you see those terrible tornadoes back east?
[21:53] <seidos> i haven't even looked at google news today
[21:53] <seidos> i have to set up postfix
[21:55] <sn9> if only it would show tornadoes hitting british royalty...
[21:55]  * iheartubuntu german royalty
[21:56] <iheartubuntu> the windsors changed their name to sounds more british
[21:56] <iheartubuntu> but i agree
[21:56] <sn9> a la "king ralph"
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> this is a diff world now than bowing to some king or queen
[21:58] <iheartubuntu> although i have to bow to the dirty dishes every night :(
[21:58] <seidos> i'm sure there are plenty of snobs to replace the current "royal family"
[21:58]  * seidos bows to iheartubuntu
[21:58] <seidos> tag, you're it
[21:58]  * iheartubuntu iheartubuntu bows to the CA team members
[21:58] <iheartubuntu> ink a bink
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> a bottle of natty
[21:59] <seidos> haha, nice one
[21:59]  * seidos gets drunk from humility, then swings from the chandelier in his skivvies
[21:59] <kdubois> oh, they dont come in bottles, iheartubuntu  :D
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> a cardboard box?
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> wow, Beer Advocate gives Natty Beer an A+ rating
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/29/1524
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> .
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> .
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> .
[22:02] <iheartubuntu> NOT
[22:03] <kdubois> it has its place, if you have to throw a party for 500 of your closest friends
[22:03]  * kdubois has always suspected it was grain alcohol and beer flavoring mixed together
[22:03] <iheartubuntu> Natty is 5.9% alc
[22:03] <iheartubuntu> and cheaper than soda
[22:04] <pleia2> ew
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> "the smell of american aluminum" haha
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> "urine colored salty water"
[22:07] <pleia2> we put together a proposal to host a kde conference in philly once, I was the beer advisory committee (the thought was no european kde developer would come to the US, land of horrible bear, so I had to find good ones and select the places to go)
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> so no natty?
[22:09] <pleia2> not so much
[22:09] <kdubois> my german roommate said that ann arbor, mi was the best beer town he's seen
[22:09] <pleia2> pennsylvania has crazy packaged liquor laws, but we make up for it in amazing brewpubs and bars in philly
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> the fact that there was a beer advisory commitee for a kde conference = THUMBS WAY UP
[22:09] <kdubois> they have some respect for us more since the microbrewery craze
[22:10] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it's very important! :)
[22:10] <seidos> there should be a cola advisory committee
[22:11] <kdubois> r/c ftw
[22:11] <seidos> I drink what Warren Buffet drinks
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> my city does not allow the purchase of single cans of beer. no the bums wait until they collect an extra couple dollars to buy a 4 pack. stupid.
[22:11] <pleia2> philly was one of the first (maybe the first?) to host a beer week
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> he drinks gold and silver right now
[22:11] <seidos> Coke is the "poshest" cola
[22:11] <seidos> it's like the Grey Goose of Cola
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> i dont like pepsi, but i recently had some throwback pepsi made with sugar. very good.
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> grey goose yuk
[22:12] <seidos> Caffeine is a serious drug in sufficient quantities
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> u need real stuff from poland
[22:12] <seidos> i think 800 cans of mountain dew can kill
[22:12] <seidos> ^_^
[22:12] <seidos> Stolichnya
[22:12] <seidos> vodka with a kick
[22:13] <nhaines> I've had some sort of Czech beer that's like 12%.
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> u need bison grass zubrowka vodka. dont buy it in the states tho, its all fake here
[22:13] <nhaines> That's what I call a good investment.
[22:13] <seidos> there's that really high proof beer i read about
[22:13] <seidos> really expensive stuff
[22:13] <nhaines> I'll take a doppelbock any day though.
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> i had a moinette on the weekend
[22:15] <iheartubuntu> a friend dropped over 3 bottles. he ended up drinking 2 of them
[22:15] <seidos> i'd rather eat guacamole
[22:15] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - i made a rauchbier last time i brewed. my sister begs me to make more
[22:15] <iheartubuntu> smokey and chocolatey
[22:16] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: the only one I've seen tastes like the bucket of water you put used fireworks in on the Fourth of July.
[22:16] <pleia2> haha
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> like i said. smokey and chocolatey
[22:17] <iheartubuntu> :)
[22:17] <iheartubuntu> fireworks on valentines :)
[22:17] <iheartubuntu> i wasnt a fan of it, but my sister looks for similar beers now whenever we go beer hunting
[22:17] <seidos> chocolate covered smoked salmon, yum!
[22:17] <iheartubuntu> my marzen is the best and i think im hooked on it where i have no need to brew anything else
[22:18] <seidos> fireworks on valentines in the afternoon
[22:20] <seidos> apparently radiohead's paranoid android is "flagged for inappropriate content"
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - have u ever been to The Bruery someplace in OC
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> looks interesting, but ive yet to make it
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> wow, royals have banned beer from the reception. more reason to just say no to them
[22:23] <pleia2> royals?
[22:23]  * iheartubuntu just tossed his wedding invite
[22:23] <iheartubuntu> the royal wedding
[22:23] <pleia2> oh, right
[22:24] <pleia2> my mother was one of the people who was all "oooh" over the princess diana wedding
[22:25] <seidos> tall ones
[22:26] <pleia2> I don't understand the sucession rules or what the king/queen of england actually do so I think the significance is lost on me
[22:26] <iheartubuntu> what now will you both be watching
[22:27] <pleia2> #ubuntu-us-ca probably :)
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> :D
[22:28] <pleia2> I don't even care for weddings of people I /know/
[22:28] <pleia2> :)
[22:28] <seidos> i really can't follow beer talk, someone else do it
[22:29] <seidos> first beer, then weddings...it's like real life!
[22:29] <seidos> oh yeah my girlfriend is into the Royal stuff, she's actually a fan of the queen.  "tough upper lip"
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> i dont care for funerals myself
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> i dont think i'll be at mine
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> hopefully on another planet or something
[22:30] <pleia2> I don't think you're supposed to like funerals
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> i avoid them.
[22:31] <pleia2> sadly they tend to be the only time my family comes together from all over the world
[22:31] <pleia2> so I go
[22:31] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: nope, but I've been to the Rathskeller.
[22:31] <seidos> i think they should just have funerals when people are born
[22:32] <seidos> has anyone else heard of the "Layer One Security Conference" in Anaheim?
[22:33] <nhaines> I might buy an Aventinus doppelbock to drink when I'm gaming tomorrow night.
[22:34] <nhaines> Have to keep my energy up.
[22:34] <iheartubuntu> gaming?
[22:34] <pleia2> doppelbocks bring back fond memories of goat races
[22:35] <iheartubuntu> tipping goats?
[22:35] <pleia2> nope, just racing
[22:35] <iheartubuntu> :)
[22:35] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: tabletop gaming.
[22:35] <iheartubuntu> what is the rathskeller
[22:35] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/slyfox_maibock_festival_2007_bob_lyz_ron_nita_constance_david.jpg
[22:35] <iheartubuntu> like poker? or pacman
[22:35]  * pleia2 has 2 beers!
[22:36] <pleia2> (also I was thin then)
[22:36] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: like Dungeons and Dragons.
[22:36] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/GO1.jpg <-- goat race
[22:36] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Rathskeller is a cellar bar at the Old World European Market in Huntington Beach.
[22:37] <pleia2> they'd name their newly tapped maibock after the winning goat
[22:37] <iheartubuntu> beer! TWO BEERS!
[22:37] <iheartubuntu> maibock mmmmmmmm
[22:37] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: http://www.rathskeller.us/
[22:38] <pleia2> one year a deer ran through the festival, we were all so drunk "was that a goat?" "it was a deer!" "no way!" "WAY" "Nooo!" we later confirmed with staff that it was a deer
[22:38] <pleia2> ah pennsylvania :)
[22:39] <seidos> i'll take that as a no
[22:39] <nhaines> I found (and bought) a quart-sized can of beer a couple weeks ago.  And gladly accepted that challenge.
[22:39] <pleia2> hehe
[22:40] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/Cheers.jpg
[22:40] <pleia2> those are the glasses from the deer day
[22:40] <pleia2> they were quite large
[22:40] <iheartubuntu> no way
[22:40] <iheartubuntu> you stretched the photo!
[22:41] <iheartubuntu> thats got to be 30 oz
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> will be going for large quantities of beer tonite now
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> dads bday
[22:43] <pleia2> I drank too much at the lucid release party, I shall try not to repeat that
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> haha
[22:43] <pleia2> fortunately I only live half a block away :)
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> ohhh :)
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> thats nice
[22:44] <pleia2> (for the record, I didn't pick the venue!)
[22:44] <nhaines> Last time I was at Old World restaurant I ordered a Warsteiner Dunkel, and I guess because I said "dunkel" instead of "dark" the waitress switched to German mode.
[22:45] <pleia2> german mode?
[22:45] <nhaines> Well, the next question was "Gross oder klein?"  (large or small)
[22:45] <pleia2> :D
[22:45] <pleia2> gross!
[22:46] <nhaines> My brainstem kicked in and said "gross!" and the rest of the evening I spoke to her in German.  :)
[22:46] <pleia2> hehe, nice
[22:48] <iheartubuntu> es ist gross!
[22:48] <nhaines> One time I was there with coworkers and one of their kids joined me in the market as I was looking for beer/candy.    I put my arm around the boy (he was 8) and said "Isn't he cute?  He looks so confused because he has absolutely no idea what we're saying."
[22:50] <nhaines> I think they said (in German) "Oh, how cute!  Can't you speak German?"  He's not usually shy but he did hide behind me, haha.
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> and then the boy broke out in a rap and all of you had no clue what HE was saying
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> i wonder what a german would think if you gave them a natty
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> i heard to big words used in switzerland last year... "javol" and "ja ja"
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> i was getting tired of the "yah yah" heard everywhere. almost like a relfex action from the whole nation when saying yes to something
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> it became a rallying cry for me whenever i ordered a beer
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> do you want the big beer sir? YAH YAH
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> nhaines do u like the spaten optimater
[23:00] <iheartubuntu> warsteiner is the main beer now at the big bear oktoberfest
[23:02] <iheartubuntu> do i get a spaten oktoberfest tonite or a pabst blue ribbon
[23:03] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: yes, I love Spaten.  :)
[23:03] <iheartubuntu> im torn between a erdinger weissbier or a spaten
[23:03] <nhaines> Franziskaner doppelbock is also good.
[23:03] <nhaines> I like dark ambers most.
[23:04] <iheartubuntu> my beer place blocks away i think has franz on tap
[23:05] <iheartubuntu> i like newcastle when i cant get me a beer i like
[23:05] <iheartubuntu> im going to pick up natty this weekend and do a bait and switch on my neighbor. see if he figures it out :)
[23:06]  * iheartubuntu is waiting for ubuntu store to do a groupon :)
[23:07] <nhaines> ha!
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> that will be a cold day
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> Ubuntu Store 50% OFF
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> that would go so fast
[23:38] <iheartubuntu> just curious if anyone here has had any ghostly experiences
[23:44] <kdubois> more as a kid than now :)
[23:44] <kdubois> #ubuntu sure has a lot of unity transition complaints today
[23:45] <pleia2> not at all surprising, change is scary :)
[23:46] <kdubois> yeah, but some changes (eg, picking up compiz as default) were met with open arms
[23:47] <kdubois> although, this is a bigger change, not an apples-to-apples exactly
[23:49] <crashsystems> IMHO Unity will be just like buttons on the left.
[23:57] <nhaines> I agree.  Once you get used to Unity it's very efficient.


[00:00] <JoeBk> has anyone installed 23.04 release ?
[00:01] <sarnold> probably JoeBk, he tries everything :)
[00:01]  * sarnold runs
[00:02] <JoeBk> I have not been able to install 23.04 and am wondering if anyone else had trouble.
[00:02] <sarnold> :(
[00:05] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: Not seen anyone else reporting such - what is not happening on your install attempt ?
[00:06] <JoeBk> Bashing-om, the install just hangs while downloadind stuff.  I let it run for 2 1/2  hours before I gave up.  The beta installs without problem.
[00:06] <sarnold> when was that? I understand one of our archive servers was unhappy recently
[00:07] <JoeBk> yesterday
[00:07] <JoeBk> maybe it was just a bad server.  I should try again.
[00:10] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: Yeah try again - and verify the .ISO download (md5 is good enough for that) and there used to also be an option "check disk for defects" // I have not seen 23.04 yet so I do not know that the option still exists.
[00:14] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: there are no more .md5
[00:15] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Ouch ! thanks for that notification.
[00:17] <tomreyn> you're welcome. i think those have been removed for all releases but <=16.04
[00:17] <JoeBk> I verified the checksum.
[00:18] <tomreyn> JoeBk: now verify the data written to the installer medium
[00:18] <tomreyn> and tell us how much ram this system has
[00:41] <JoeBk> tomreyn, I verified the checksum on the install medium the the comuter has 32gb of ram.
[00:42] <JoeBk> i'll try it again.
[00:42] <JoeBk> maybe it was a server problem.
[01:03] <JoeBk> sarnold, you there?
[01:03] <sarnold> JoeBk: pong
[01:04] <JoeBk> sarnold, I just tried installing again.  I was getting download speed around 3KB.  I think there is a problem with the server.
[01:05] <sarnold> JoeBk: *cripes*
[01:07] <JoeBk> sarnold, I got disconnected.  I said I think there is a problem with the server.
[01:08] <sarnold> JoeBk: heh :( I just tested the four IPv4 addresses, and I got eight to 12 megabytes per second from them
[01:08] <JoeBk> hmmm
[01:08] <JoeBk> strange
[01:09] <JoeBk> It's clearly not working for me.
[01:10] <sarnold> if you leave an mtr running to <IP_ADDRESS> for a while, what sort of packetloss and latency do you see?
[01:12] <JoeBk> no packet loss about 60ms delay
[01:13] <JoeBk> more lin 20ms
[01:13] <JoeBk> no packet loss
[01:13] <tomreyn> sarnold: which server would that be? maybe JoeBk should mtr there?
[01:15] <sarnold> tomreyn: good idea :)
[01:15] <JoeBk> I've been asking if anyon e has been able to install 23.04 and I don;t get a response.
[01:15] <Liowenex> Connect <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:15] <sarnold> archive.ubuntu.com -- <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:16] <tomreyn> are we certain the downloads are from archive.ubuntu.com and not one of the mirrors, though?
[01:17] <JoeBk> when I ping archive.ubuntu.com it goes to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:17] <tomreyn> JoeBk: i think we would have seen a lot more reports of "does not work" here if it was a generic issue
[01:19] <JoeBk> what is <IP_ADDRESS>?  is that a mirror?
[01:20] <JoeBk> I'll try again in a few days.
[01:20] <tomreyn> that's one of the ip addresses archive.ubuntu.com resolves to, and probably one of the 4 or more central mirror servers
[01:21] <JoeBk> strange I was able to install the beta version without any problems.
[01:23] <tomreyn> not really strange, no. it just takes one bad router between you and one of the target servers to occasionally break things in the way you've reported.
[01:29] <tomreyn> JoeBk: simple test for those IPv4 mirrors:   for IP in <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>; do echo $IP; curl -4 -o /dev/null --resolve archive.ubuntu.com:80:$IP http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz ; echo; done
[01:30] <tomreyn> you'd download 25 MB off each. if one takes a lot longer than the others, that's what you want to mtr against
[01:30] <tomreyn> there are also ipv6 mirrors, though, and they could also be the culprit
[01:30] <sarnold> oh nice, that's smaller than the Contents-amd64.gz I tested with, but still large enough fora useful test
[01:31] <tomreyn> :)
[01:37] <JoeBk> tomreyn, slowest one was 2296k
[01:39] <tomreyn> JoeBk: and the fastest?
[01:39] <JoeBk> tomreyn, I should boot the flash drive and try the speed test there.
[01:39] <tomreyn> yes that would be even better, also with the ipv6 hosts, too
[01:39] <JoeBk> I closed the window.  I'll look again.
[01:41] <JoeBk> the go from 2562k to 3463k
[01:41] <tomreyn> okay, that's fine then, if this matches your normal average download speed
[01:41] <JoeBk> brb
[02:59] <tomreyn> in case JoeBk returns they could run these scripts and post the output to a pastebin for review: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_headers_at_url https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_speed_at_url
[03:01] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Ack ^ - I will be around for a couple more hours I expect.
[03:12] <tomreyn> thanks
[03:13] <tomreyn> it may be necessary to install package "dnsutils"
[03:16] <JoeBk> tomreyn, I did some screenshots while doing install to show download speed: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1LzysJqAhsy_lt_KKyVR7RvcGIT_j2RLz
[03:22] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: < tomreyn> in case JoeBk returns they could run these scripts and post the output to a pastebin for review: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_headers_at_url ; https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_speed_at_url // it may be necessary to install package "dnsutils".
[04:59] <migs> hi
[04:59] <migs> is tlp for all lenovos or just thinkpads?
[04:59] <migs> I am having a problem with overheating
[05:00] <migs> and what is "rdw" radio device wizard?
[05:07] <Bashing-om> migs: tlp > any laptop. please see the result ' apt show tlp '. How old is this machone - due for a good cleaning ?
[06:49] <NZWillDill> Hi, I am setting up an HP laptop with ubuntu, it has two GPU (Intel and Nvidea) do i need to do anything special to make sure the better GPU is used when needed?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> NZWillDill: ubuntu will normaly install the drivers automaticly
[06:53] <NZWillDill> ok thank you
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> NZWillDill: and nvidia-prime you can use to switch between your 2 cards
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> powersaving vs performance mode
[06:54] <NZWillDill> ok thanks lotuspsychje, sounds like ubuntu has it under control.
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> if everything loaded fine, yes
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> NZWillDill: depending on your card model, ubuntu will let you switch between drivers too, but usualy the best driver is picked by default
[08:00] <propus> :)
[09:04] <RexDang> Hello, I am wanting to create a bootable usb ubuntu drive from within ubuntu, can anyone help?
[09:05] <RexDang> please
[09:08] <aimatme> RexDang: Use the starup USB creator
[09:08] <aimatme> Comes with Ubuntu.
[09:09] <RexDang> ok
[09:09] <aimatme> Rexdang: Sorry, "startup disk creator"
[09:09] <RexDang> THank you found it
[09:09] <aimatme> yw.
[09:10] <RexDang> IF you dont mind, a couple more questions, i plan to install ubuntu on my laptop, do I disable Secure boot, Fast boot etc?
[09:11] <RexDang> Any other bios considerations
[09:12] <RexDang> its an HP Probook g4
[09:21] <RexDang> anyone?
[09:37] <ice9> if nouveau doesn't support offloading, then how can I render something on nvidia on an optimus laptop?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> Rexodus: are you going to singleboot ubuntu?
[09:44] <rostik> hello
[09:59] <csharp2a> Hi all...Does anyone know the default login for the new 23.04 Desktop live image? The old "ubuntu" does not work and I cannot find it anywhere on the docs.
[10:10] <akik> chalcedny: i think it's the hostname of the live session
[10:10] <akik> i read it somewhere
[10:10] <akik> oops
[10:10] <akik> csharp2a: i think it's the hostname of the live session
[10:13] <csharp2a> I had seen that also but how do you determine that hostname when the iso is running?
[10:15] <akik> csharp2a: go into the virtual console with ctrl+alt+f3
[10:15] <akik> csharp2a: or open a terminal and run hostname
[10:15] <csharp2a> akik thank you
[10:16] <Nihilism> hi
[10:17] <csharp2a> @Nihilism Hello
[10:28] <csharp2a> akik The virtual console is showing ubuntu as the hostname but it will not take that as the login.  I am completely stumped.
[10:29] <akik> csharp2a: which ubuntu version is that?
[10:29] <csharp2a> akik 23.04 Lunar Lobster...just came out
[10:29] <akik> oh maybe they changed it then
[10:30] <csharp2a> akik That is what I thought, but I am not finding any docu on it.  You would think it would remain the same.
[10:31] <akik> csharp2a: check the system's /etc/passwd for clues
[10:31] <csharp2a> Can't login to get there. I suppose I could mount the iso to find out..
[10:32] <akik> csharp2a: you can't start the live session?
[10:32] <csharp2a> akik Yes it will start but I cannot login at all.
[10:32] <csharp2a> It immediately asks for login and password
[10:32] <csharp2a> akik I starts with the gui login screen
[10:33] <akik> csharp2a: you don't get the gui?
[10:33] <csharp2a> akik Nope, goes immediatly to the login screen
[10:40] <akik> csharp2a: don't know then. maybe somebody else here knows
[10:40] <akik> csharp2a: do you know why you don't get a gui?
[10:45] <akik> csharp2a: maybe you could try booting it with kernel parameters that disable nouveau/nvidia and use i915 for the igpu
[10:45] <csharp2a> akik I have no idea why the gui does not start.  I do get the gui login screen but then trying to login fails.  I will keep looking. Thank you for your help!
[10:48] <akik> csharp2a: the live session should start directly into the gui logged in
[10:48] <akik> csharp2a: try creating the usb stick again and verify the iso checksum before that
[10:49] <csharp2a> akik will do
[10:49] <akik> csharp2a: use dd to do it or rufus in windows (press alt-i once after starting rufus so it goes to the dd write mode)
[10:52] <csharp2a> akik Ok
[10:53] <akik> csharp2a: the syntax for dd is: dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
[10:55] <csharp2a> akik Thanks I will give it a go shortly
[10:55] <akik> csharp2a: you'll get the storage device names with: lsblk -a -o +TRAN
[10:55] <ice9> if nouveau doesn't support offloading, then how can I render something on nvidia on an optimus laptop?  I don't wanna use the proprietary driver from nvidia
[10:58] <akik> csharp2a: oops sorry i forgot you don't have ubuntu yet :)
[11:06] <csharp2a> akik No worries.  Its working now. I am not sure why but it was trying to run an autoinstall script and not succeeding. A new ISO fixed it. I am in and its happy. The ISO must have been borked. Thank you for all your help.
[11:06] <akik> ok good
[11:07] <csharp2a> akik Have a great day!
[11:07] <akik> csharp2a: btw
[11:08] <akik> csharp2a: now that you're in the live session, try sudo -i and check /etc/sudoers or /etc/sudoers.d dir for the username defined for the passwordless sudo access
[11:11] <akik> csharp2a: and check which username in /etc/shadow has no password
[11:13] <csharp2a> akik Ok I will do that
[11:16] <csharp2a> akik Oddly its is ubuntu
[11:18] <akik> csharp2a: how did you create the usb stick when it didn't work?
[11:18] <csharp2a> etcher
[11:18] <csharp2a> akik Etcher
[11:18] <akik> csharp2a: does it do dd write mode?
[11:19] <csharp2a> I do not know for sure.
[11:19] <akik> csharp2a: i mean does it just write the image on the usb stick or if it opens it
[11:19] <csharp2a> I belive it just writes but not sure
[11:19] <akik> ok well good that it now works
[11:25] <kubuntu>  ciao ragazzi, ho bisogno del vostro consiglio, sto trasferendo da una nas synology ad una ssd interna al pc 350 gb di dati, ho fatto un semplice copia e incolla della cartella (smb) remota tramite dolphin
[11:26] <kubuntu> ora dolphin sta calcolando l'ammontare di file cartelle e relativa dimensione totale dei file da copiare
[11:26] <kubuntu> c'è un piccola provblema, indica al momento 15 TiB e continua a salire...che succede, è un bug?
[11:26] <kubuntu> sorry wrong channel
[11:36] <kubuntu> hi guys, i need your advice, i'm transferring 350 gb of data from a synology nas to a pc's internal ssd, i did a simple copy and paste of the remote (smb) folder via dolphin now dolphin is calculating the amount of files folders and relative total size of the files to be copied. there is a small problem, it indicates at the moment 15 TiB and it keeps going up... what's going on, is it a bug?
[11:37] <strk> I don't know since when but I have no video support anymore, it broke somehow, there's no /dev/vid*
[11:37] <strk> how to debug ?
[11:37] <strk> dmesg shows:
[11:37] <strk> [    1.834207] ACPI: video: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: yes  rom: no  post: no)
[11:37] <strk> [    1.834261] input: Video Bus as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input10
[11:40] <strk> v4l2-dbg -D # Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[11:42] <strk> sudo modprobe videodev # kernel: [  570.372076] videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00 ; systemd-udevd[38821]: video4linux: Process '/usr/lib/snapd/snap-device-helper add snap_chromium_chromedriver /class/video4linux 0:0' failed with exit code 1.
[11:42] <strk> how's snap related to kernel modules ?
[11:45] <akik> i was just going to ask :)
[11:46] <akik> but hey ubuntu packages curl into a snap...
[11:50] <ravage> why would curl not be part of a snap package?
[11:50] <ravage> it is a common tool
[11:51] <strk> who's curl now related to all of this ?
[11:51] <ravage> none i guess
[11:52] <strk> also, how's chromium related to video ?
[11:52] <strk> I'm very confused about all of this
[11:52] <strk> the very first thing I'd like to figure out is why I have no video device in /dev
[11:52] <strk> is that normal ? (I don't think it is)
[11:53] <ravage> i dont have that
[11:53] <strk> do you have a camera ?
[11:53] <ravage> not connected atm to be honest
[11:53] <akik> ravage: there's no need to package a tool like curl into a snap
[11:53] <ravage> let me check that usb cable
[11:53] <strk> thanks ravage
[11:54] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/4uwrsk3r.txt
[11:55] <strk> thanks, that's what I'd expect
[11:55] <ravage> akik: that is not what you said. and it can be totally useful if you want to provide a newer/patched version
[11:55] <strk> how about `journalctl | grep video` ?
[11:56] <akik> ravage: but it's true. they package a newer version of curl into a snap
[11:56] <ravage> akik: link?
[11:57] <strk> incidentally... can I escape snap at all with ubuntu or do I have to switch to a different distro ?
[11:57] <ravage> strk: https://p.haxxors.com/xldp6ge5.txt
[11:58] <akik> ravage: https://paste.linux.chat/?e64e61cc1c82c45a#FVMeDqzpzRnCjL3oUeCRgyugnxBbpW4oDnP1zfpG7vHS
[11:58] <strk> ravage: interesting, so it ALSO fail for you
[11:58] <strk> but this doesnt' prevent your /dev/video from appearing
[11:59] <strk> ravage it looks like discord, firefox, skype and teams failed to deal with the new video, can you check if any of them work with video ?
[11:59] <ravage> akik: ok, apt searches for exact matches of that package name. but it is not associated with canonical at all
[12:01] <ravage> strk: my camera works just fine in my skype snap
[12:01] <ravage> also works in firefox
[12:01] <ravage> i dont think snap is the problem here
[12:02] <strk> evidently not
[12:02] <strk> in my journalctl I also have: `kernel: videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00`
[12:02] <strk> didn't see that in your output
[12:02] <strk> I might be missing a kernel module
[12:03] <strk> does `v4l2-dbg -D` work for you ?
[12:03] <akik> ravage: i don't know what you mean? that command is from ubuntu. canonical creates ubuntu
[12:03] <ravage> possible. mine uses uvcvideo
[12:03] <ravage> akik: no that command is the result of an exact match search from the snap store
[12:05] <akik> ravage: i ran curl in the shell and got that. you're trying to find reasons to prove me wrong
[12:05] <akik> ravage: and failing pretty badly
[12:05] <ravage> i dont have to prove anything to you. isnt that neat?
[12:06] <akik> ravage: so why did you start arguing?
[12:06] <ravage> well this is a chat room
[12:06] <ravage> and i did not prove anything. i just told you whats happening
[12:07] <akik> ravage: it return two commands to install curl, one is snap the other is apt. what is not clear to you?
[12:07] <ravage> that is totally clear
[12:07] <ravage> and that is what i said
[12:08] <strk> uhm, what about: lshw ravage ? how does your camera look in there ?
[12:09] <strk> any match for "camera" or "video" ? I only have a "Video Bus", but no camera
[12:09]  * strk wonders if the laptop camera broke this morning
[12:10] <strk> you should find your camera with some logical name being /dev/video
[12:10] <ravage> strk: does not show up there
[12:10] <strk> uhm
[12:10] <ravage> ah damn
[12:10] <strk> `lshw  | grep video` what about this ?
[12:10] <ravage> give me a moment :P
[12:11] <strk> grep -i maybe, if you want to also catch the bus, assuming you have a bus too
[12:11] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/5evekyaq.txt
[12:12] <strk> interesting, so that camera is not in /dev/video but in /dev/input
[12:12] <strk> oh, fun
[12:13] <strk> Fn-F10 (the key has the icon of a camera)
[12:13] <strk> all solved
[12:13] <ravage> yay!
[12:13] <strk> and now `v4l2-dbg -D` shows it
[12:13] <strk> and now I have /dev/video0 and /dev/video1
[12:13] <strk> yay!
[12:13] <ravage> i did not read the backlog so see we are talking about a laptop
[12:14] <strk> and product: Chicony USB2.0 Camera: Chicony
[12:14] <ravage> *to see
[12:14] <strk> I didn't mention upfront
[12:14] <ravage> we have that button problem here all the time
[12:14] <strk> I recently switched to i3 and had this silly idea of keybinding that key to fix the monitor
[12:14] <ravage> and not only with cameras
[12:15] <strk> so maybe I accidentally hit Fn instead of the "win" key :)
[12:15] <ravage> wifi, bluetooth :)
[12:15] <strk> journalctl reports hitting tha tkey with: kernel: usb 2-7: USB disconnect, device number 5
[12:15] <strk> and: kernel: usb 2-7: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
[12:16] <strk> when you toggle
[12:17] <strk> it's interesting that rebooting the machine does not reset that state
[12:17] <strk> and also that all those errors about those clients do not affect functionality of them
[12:17] <strk> ie: chromium (in a videomeeting) immediately saw the camera enabled
[12:18] <ravage> i have no idea where those settings are stored
[12:18] <ravage> i would think bios related somehow
[12:18] <ravage> and with battery backup maybe :D
[12:18] <strk> this is a freebios laptop, btw
[12:19] <ravage> only replaced the bios of one chromebook so far
[12:19] <ravage> what is that? coreboot?
[12:19] <strk> yes
[12:19] <strk> but honestly I didn't really play with it much
[12:19] <strk> not even sure I ever saw it :)
[12:19] <strk> it came preinstalled (system76 machine)
[12:20] <ravage> i looked at some of the devices at fosdem
[12:20] <ravage> neat hardware
[12:20] <strk> I'm a long time happy customer of system76. Only once I had a problem (hardware, and not happy to send the machine back)
[12:21] <strk> but the customer service is pretty nice
[12:21] <strk> too bad it's only ubuntu
[12:21] <strk> well, popOS now
[12:21] <ravage> btw we do not really support popOS here if that is what you are running. does not matter with your button problem
[12:22] <ravage> just a general information for next time
[12:22] <strk> I never know what I'm running :P
[12:22] <strk> probably this one was before popOS
[12:22] <strk> lsb_release -a tells me ubuntu 22.04
[12:22] <strk> Description:    Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[12:22] <ravage> thats totally fine then :)
[12:23] <strk> I took the habit to search for "ubuntu" when I need some info about anything GNU/Linux related
[12:23] <ravage> as i said the button was an easy fix. but when it comes to kernel modules it can really make a difference
[12:23] <strk> there's just much more info and usually it's associated with Ubuntu even if it's not strictly related :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:49] <hiya> Why does ubuntu uptime shows 2 users?
[14:50] <JoeBk> hiya, mine only shows 1 user
[14:50] <hiya> JoeBk: Am I hacked? What is going on?
[14:50] <JoeBk> dunno
[14:51] <JoeBk> I'm trying to figure how to see a list of logged in users
[14:52] <hiya> JoeBk: try w ?
[14:52] <hiya> Ok do one thing
[14:52] <hiya> open a new tab, and do sudo -i and retry uptime
[14:53] <JoeBk> thanks that works
[14:55] <JoeBk> last -p now
[14:56] <JoeBk> I think the proper way is: last -p now
[14:58] <webchat64> HI
[14:59] <webchat64> can i have some help. i want to change the name of my home dir from <dead name> to real name
[15:01] <JoeBk> webchat64, you homedir is specified in /etc/passwd
[15:01] <webchat64> yes but if it just change it it will bake eveything
[15:02] <JoeBk> what if you rename your homedir
[15:02] <JoeBk> ?
[15:02] <hiya> JoeBk: So what do you get? two users now? When you open a new tab and 'sudo -i' ?
[15:03] <JoeBk> yeah uptime lies
[15:03] <webchat64> trure can i do that safly when login the that user?
[15:03] <JoeBk> you should do that as root
[15:04] <JoeBk> exec sudo su -
[15:04] <webchat64> should i do it from sudo in that account or a diffrunt account
[15:04] <JoeBk> do it in root account
[15:04] <JoeBk> exec sudo su -
[15:05] <JoeBk> that will put you in root account
[15:05] <webchat64>  sorry dont floower you have to be login to run sudo
[15:06] <JoeBk> yes you need to be logged in to an account with sudo priv
[15:07] <JoeBk> that command will log you out of what ever account you are in and put you in root account
[15:07] <JoeBk> it might be a good idea to backup yourn stuff first.
[15:08] <webchat64> ok done
[15:08] <JoeBk> did it werk?
[15:08] <webchat64> done exec sudo su - and it just put me in a root prumpted
[15:08] <JoeBk> you might want to create anoter account first in case you are unable to login.
[15:09] <webchat64> oh so you say the thing i was asking u got it
[15:09] <JoeBk> what?
[15:09] <webchat64> is it just
[15:09] <webchat64> mv /home/<dead name> /home/<real name>
[15:09] <webchat64> usermod -d /home/<real name> -m <real name>
[15:10] <JoeBk> should work
[15:10] <JoeBk> I'm not sure tho
[15:10] <JoeBk> I would have another account to log into in case it doesn't work.
[15:11] <webchat64> is there any other place that mit have my dead name?
[15:11] <JoeBk> I dunno
[15:11] <JoeBk> I not a linux expert
[15:11] <JoeBk> hang around here there are some people who know.
[15:13] <JoeBk> hiya, there is a lot of interesting stuff at https://www.makeuseof.com/list-logged-in-users-on-linux/
[15:16] <webchat64> my daed name is in
[15:16] <hiya> JoeBk: Okay
[15:32] <luna_> https://i.imgur.com/cIRErjg.jpg
[15:33] <rud0lf> happy releaseday!
[15:34] <SorinQ> hello! I have a ASUS nvidia 1660 6 GB RAM DDR5, it will work with the latest Ubuntu 23.04?
[15:37] <Apachez> is it LTS day?
[15:41] <pavlos> no, it's ubuntu 23.04 released.
[15:46] <luna_> as pavlos said
[15:46] <luna_> rud0lf: was Thursday
[15:46] <rud0lf> i know :)
[15:46] <rud0lf> late greetings
[15:46] <luna_> Cake at LAS 2023 for Fedora 38 being released on Tuesday and Ubuntu 23.04 on Thursday
[15:46] <luna_> Apachez: next LTS is 24.04 in April 2024
[15:47] <luna_> and next point release in June/July sometime
[15:47] <luna_> i always mix up those summer months
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> please leave the support channel free for support issues
[15:51] <jhutchins> SorinQ: Try it and report the results.
[15:51] <SorinQ> jhutchins, ok
[15:51] <jhutchins> SorinQ: Thanks!  Every bit helps!
[16:25] <Bombo> hi
[16:27] <Bombo> i want to build wine: so i did 'apt build-dep wine; dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt update; apt build-dep -a i386 wine'  to install the 32bit deps, but it failed: The following packages have unmet dependencies: builddeps:wine:i386 : Depends: fontforge-nox:i386 Depends: libxml-parser-perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed some more, how do i fix this?
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Bombo: why dont you just install wine from the repos?
[16:30] <Bombo> lotuspsychje: there is just the latest one, i need 4.0 to test
[16:47] <Jari--> newbie on chromebook, I think it is possible to install ubuntu on it, I think at least sounds sane idea
[16:49] <oerheks> Jari--, it takes a lot of steps to make it install ready, with crouton or something like that
[16:50] <oerheks> then it is not certain all hardware works.
[16:51] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-on-chromebook#1-overview
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> would that still work based on 16.04?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> As xenial is EOL, crouton will (at some point) no longer have a default release. You will always have to specify -r.
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> (from their github)
[17:10] <Apachez> luna_: tnx
[17:25] <quidnunc> Are the snap servers down? I can't "snap refresh"
[17:25] <quidnunc> "cannot communicate with server"
[17:25] <mybalzitch> "all snaps up to date"
[17:26] <leftyfb> quidnunc: works fine here
[17:26] <mybalzitch> I'm in north america
[17:27] <oerheks> https://status.snapcraft.io/
[17:27] <oerheks> nos signs of issues
[17:27] <oerheks> c/no
[17:34] <LucasBR> hey guys, someone can help me?  i installed the ubuntu in dual boot with windows, but when i start the pc he opens the ubuntu directly. I have the grub and i tried to update with the command "sudo update-grub", but doesnt work, ubuntu arent recognize the windows 10!! if i turn on the pc and choose the boot manually i can open the grub, but doesnt
[17:34] <LucasBR> recognize the windows too
[17:35] <tomreyn> LucasBR: use your bios boot menu to switch between booting windows and ubuntu
[17:36] <oerheks> os-prober is disabled, for security reasons
[17:36] <LucasBR> tomreyn you think i cant fix the grub?
[17:37] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[17:37] <Jeremy31> Ubuntu and Windows are installed differently, UEFI/Legacy BIOS mix
[17:37] <tomreyn> LucasBR: there's nothing that needs fixing, grub's not supposed to boot windows, the windows boot loader is
[17:40] <LucasBR> i had dual boot in another pc but other people configured for me, and i had a interface who had a wine color and in this interface i could choose between windows and ubuntu, someone knows this interface name?
[17:40] <LucasBR> tks oerheks i will see this link
[17:46] <jhutchins> I seem to remember that some genius disabled os_prober by default for "security reasons".
[17:46] <oerheks> that is what i wrote some time ago
[17:47] <jhutchins> oerheks: Right.
[17:48] <LucasBR> tks oerheks and tomreyn , i did the tutorial in the link and after i used the command sudo update-grub and now he is reconizing the windowsss
[17:48] <oerheks> have fun!
[17:48] <LucasBR> :)
[17:48] <jhutchins> LucasBR: Working as intended.
[17:49] <tomreyn> LucasBR: note i did not post this link or recommend this. ;)
[17:50] <LucasBR> its risky do this?
[17:50] <jhutchins> LucasBR: Not realistically.
[17:50] <oerheks> the article gives the security reason; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041769.html
[17:51] <oerheks> RedHat has an other solution, i like;" Red Hat only runs os-prober during install time"
[17:51] <jhutchins> If you follow the "security" paranoia far enough, the only solution is to remove ALL connections to the system, including power.
[17:53] <Jeremy31> My Ubuntu 22.10 found the fake Windows Boot loader I left in UEFI
[17:54] <tomreyn> LucasBR: i'd always recommend to inform yourself and make decisions based on what you then understand instead of blindly following others' recommendations, including mine. ;)
[17:57] <tomreyn> hey JoeBk, did you sort out the installation / download issue? if so, how?
[17:58] <JoeBk> tomreyn, it just started working all by itself.  I have no clue what was wrong.
[18:00] <tomreyn> JoeBk: hmm, okay, glad it works now. i assume it may have been networking related, still, even though i guess you have verizon ftth
[18:01] <JoeBk> I hate verizon
[18:01] <JoeBk> this wifi situation sucks
[18:01] <LucasBR> tomreyn: i understand bro, i will learn about and make a decision! tks all for the help!
[18:02] <leftyfb> JoeBk: feel free to complain in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:02] <JoeBk> I'm like 15 feet from the router and I get a weakk signal.
[18:02] <ravage> can you maybe just disable wifi on that thing and get your own router?
[18:03] <JoeBk> too expensive
[18:04] <JoeBk> I should call verizon and see how much they want to install it.
[18:04] <ravage> a wifi access point i mean
[18:04] <ravage> they are not that expensive
[18:05] <JoeBk> how does it connect?
[18:05] <ravage> lan cable
[18:05] <oerheks> but is started working, suddenly...
[18:05] <JoeBk> oerheks, yes
[18:05] <jhutchins> JoeBk: If Verizon is charging you, that's the most expensive option.
[18:06] <JoeBk> I tried it on 2 laptops.  both had same problem.  then areound 1:15 am both started working.
[18:06] <jhutchins> JoeBk: An easy solution would be to get a wireless access point and physically connect it to the router.
[18:06] <JoeBk> comcast is in this area.  I hate comcast more than I have verizon.
[18:06] <JoeBk> hate
[18:06] <jhutchins> JoeBk: I think that's sound judgement.
[18:07] <JoeBk> t-mobil is spozed to have some sort of 5g internet.  they are not in this area yet.
[18:07] <jhutchins> JoeBk: It sounds like you want to measure your signal strength, and monitor it.  Record the results to show to Verizon, and ask them to replace the router.
[18:08] <jhutchins> JoeBk: If you're having trouble with RF connections 5G is NOT the way to go.
[18:08] <JoeBk> jhutchins, I don't own the building.  I have compained about the wifi many times and get ignored.
[18:08] <jhutchins> JoeBk: 5G is the LEAST reliable cell protocol.
[18:09] <JoeBk> jhutchins, 2.4g has interference problems here.
[18:09] <jhutchins> JoeBk: That's Wifi, not cell, right?
[18:09] <jhutchins> Terms are confusing.
[18:09] <JoeBk> yeah  I'm talking wifi.
[18:10] <siddh> Some people refer 5GHz WiFi as 5G
[18:10] <jhutchins> JoeBk: So you have a dedicated Verizon router?
[18:10] <JoeBk> the microwave oven downstairs wipes out 2.4g
[18:10] <siddh> This stupidity comes from phone world where they show a 5G symbol over 5GHz WiFi.
[18:10] <jhutchins> siddh: Yeah, the to-the-home "5G" that Verizon and T-Mobile (Sprint) offer is the cell protocol that barely covers a football field.
[18:11] <JoeBk> yeah it's nowhere near 5G
[18:11] <jhutchins> JoeBk: What's the wired speed on it?
[18:11] <JoeBk> I looked it up and it varies a lot.
[18:11] <JoeBk> we are supposed to get 300mb
[18:12] <jhutchins> You can get programs to graph your WiFi signals.
[18:12] <JoeBk> i gotta run for a bit.
[18:12] <JoeBk> bbl
[18:12] <jhutchins> JoeBk: If everybody in the building is on the same channel that can cause poor connections. If you can graph it, you can force a channel fromt he client end.
[18:13] <tmus_> Trying to get vanilla gnome on Ubuntu 23.04 I get this dependency error: pipewire-alsa : Conflicts: pulseaudio but 1:16.1+dfsg1-2ubuntu3 is to be installed. Is there a way around this?
[18:13] <rbox> what have you done to "try to get vanilla gnome"
[18:13] <jhutchins> I know somebody who had a neighborhood problem with that.  Seems like it was Verizon.  Wired the whole block with the same default channel.
[18:13] <oerheks> seems not like an error, just a warning
[18:14] <tmus_> rbox, apt-get install vanilla-gnome--gnome-default-settings
[18:14] <tmus_> ..only spelled correctly
[18:15] <tmus_> rbox, actually it's "apt-get install vanilla-gnome-desktop" that causes the dependency problem because it pulls in pulseaudio
[18:16] <siddh> Why "vanilla"? At that point just move to debian.
[18:17] <tmus_> siddh, or Suse? I like Ubuntu!
[18:17] <rbox> i just created a docker for 23.04 and ran that command and it seem sfine
[18:17] <rbox> maybe apt update?
[18:18] <rbox> wants to install both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse
[18:18] <tmus_> rbox, already did. did you try with apt-get vanilla-gnome-desktop?
[18:19] <tmus_> install
[18:19] <rbox> i ran the comamnd you said
[18:19] <siddh> tmus_: Ubuntu is nice, and the devs maintain the `ubuntu-gnome-desktop` metapackage for a reason
[18:20] <tmus_> Actually I may be fine with gnome-session and the vanilla settings so the problem is probably not that severe
[18:20] <tmus_> siddh, Okay, so that metapackage just needs an update then
[18:20] <oerheks> bug #1020903
[18:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1020903 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Application freezes when browsing files" [Undecided, Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020903
[18:21] <oerheks> oops
[18:22] <oerheks> add yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pipewire/+bug/2017196
[18:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017196 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "package pipewire-alsa (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: conflicting packages - not installing pipewire-alsa:amd64 [pipewire-alsa conflicts with pulseaudio]" [Undecided, New]
[18:23] <oerheks> also interesting to read https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-23-04-now-uses-pipewire-info-you-should-know-call-for-testing/3907
[18:24] <tmus_> Thank you oerheks
[18:36] <Bombo> how do i fix 'Depends: libxml-parser-perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed' when i try 'apt install libxml-parser-perl:i386' i get more and more
[18:37] <rbox> more and more?
[18:37] <Bombo> depends
[18:37] <oerheks> Bombo, what is the full output, plus the command used?
[18:37] <oerheks> !paste
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> he's trying to compile wine from his original question
 i want to build wine: so i did 'apt build-dep wine; dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt update; apt build-dep -a i386 wine'  to install the 32bit deps, but it failed: The following packages have unmet dependencies: builddeps:wine:i386 : Depends: fontforge-nox:i386 Depends: libxml-parser-perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed some more, how do i fix this?
[18:38] <leftyfb> Bombo: sudo apt install wine
[18:39] <oerheks> why building the same wine?
[18:39] <Bombo> leftyfb: that doesn't install the 4.x wine
[18:40] <Bombo> oerheks: i want to try wine 4.x
[18:40] <leftyfb> Bombo: no, it installed 6.0.3 on Ubuntu 22.04
[18:40] <Bombo> leftyfb: too recent
[18:41] <leftyfb> Bombo: why?
[18:41] <oerheks> so it is not an ubuntu issue..
[18:41] <oerheks> install bionic beaver in a vm
[18:41] <Bombo> leftyfb: because apt always installs the latest version in the repo
[18:41] <oerheks> = wine 3.01
[18:41] <Bombo> oerheks: well ubuntu wont let me install the deps
[18:41] <leftyfb> Bombo: why do you want to install an outdated version of wine?
[18:42] <Bombo> leftyfb: for reasons
[18:42] <leftyfb> Bombo: good luck
[18:42] <Bombo> leftyfb: thx
[18:45] <alkisg> Bombo: ubuntu stopped supported 32bit after the 18.04 version. So yes, many deps will be missing
[18:45] <alkisg> *supporting
[18:47] <jhutchins> alkisg: Unfortunately, there are still proprietary apps like printer filters/drivers that are only available in 32b.
[18:48] <leftyfb> jhutchins: not related to wine
[18:48] <alkisg> jhutchins: I agree, but... that's just an unrelated remark, it doesn't help in compiling wine, did I understand correctly?
[18:49] <Bombo> alkisg: hmm ok but apt doesn't say there is no such package, just 'it is not going to be installed'
[18:49] <jhutchins> Just saying there are still reasons to need 32b support in various systems.
[18:50] <Bombo> jhutchins: indeed i still got a computer with 18.04 with an old printer, which does still work ;)
[18:50] <alkisg> Bombo: run `apt policy wine`, you'll see it's available for i386. Run `fontforge-nox`, you'll see it's only available for amd64. So you can't install fontforge-nox:i386 because it doesn't exist
[18:51] <alkisg> New versions, new dependencies. Old versions, old dependencies, not available in new versions, hence you can't compile them there
[18:51] <leftyfb> Bombo: mind you, Ubuntu 18.04 will be unsupported here in 8 days
[18:51] <leftyfb> sorry, 39 days
[18:52] <oerheks> maybe ESM is a help with 18.04
[18:52] <leftyfb> right, that would mean contact Canonical for help
[18:52] <oerheks> Vendors that supply 32 bit drivers only, know it by now.
[18:52] <alkisg> Do we refuse to help esm users here?
[18:53] <oerheks> alkisg, i don; t refuse if i can find an answer
[18:54] <leftyfb> alkisg: The ubuntu community generally does not support releases longer than 5 years. Canonical has paid support for that (free for a limited amount of machines and users)
[18:55] <leftyfb> alkisg: it's a lot to ask for volunteers
[18:56] <alkisg> I think we talked about that in the past and the agreement was that people here were allowed to help for outdated programs if they wish. Sure the advice is always "update", but in cases where they can, if someone WANTS to help, we don't tell them "out of topic, go elsewhere"...
[18:56] <alkisg> *they can't update
[18:57] <Bombo> alkisg: ii  fontforge-nox:i386                     1:20190801~dfsg-4                 i386         font editor - non-X version
[18:57] <Bombo> ;)
[18:57] <Bombo> (it's focal)
[18:58] <alkisg> Bombo: in your case, you're making a frankenubuntu, noone will be able to support that :D
[18:59] <alkisg> If you need 32bit support in current setups, do install debian; ubuntu dropped support for it, no point in stretching things...
[18:59] <Bombo> leftyfb: ok good to know, but i'll keep using it i guess, just for that one printer
[18:59] <Bombo> i just can't throw old hardware away, that still works
[19:00] <Bombo> alkisg: hm
[19:00] <jhutchins> It's amazing how on a given date, all knowledge and advice for a certain system can suddenly disappear.
[19:00] <Bombo> alkisg: but why are there i386 packages anyways, apt could say 'nope' if i install :i386
[19:01] <jhutchins> alkisg: I agree with that policy.
[19:01] <alkisg> Bombo: mainly to allow an amd64-arch wine to create 32bit prefixes
[19:01] <jhutchins> One of the great features of Linux is broad cross-platform compatibility.
[19:01] <alkisg> To run 32bit windows programs; not to compile 32bit linux programs
[19:01] <Bombo> alkisg: well ;)
[19:03] <deego> I have 22lts, suported, right? Then why do i see this: "25 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.   " ?
[19:03] <leftyfb> !pro | deego
[19:03] <leftyfb> !esm | deego
[19:04] <leftyfb> deego: https://ubuntu.com/pro
[19:04] <deego> yes, but 22 has not expired yet. why do i need extendend maintenance?
[19:04] <deego> it's not eol yet
[19:04]  * oerheks is puzzled too
[19:04] <deego> it is the latest lts, in fact
[19:05] <leftyfb> deego: can you pastebin the entire output please?
[19:05] <deego> don't you guys see the same on your lts's ?
[19:06] <deego> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/e1YHESAc
[19:06] <leftyfb> yeah, that's probably referring to pro
[19:07] <leftyfb> see the link I provide above
[19:07] <deego> i think we are talking past each other? like i said, it's not eol
[19:07] <deego> .. so i shouldn't need pro or esm ?
[19:08] <oerheks> yes you need esm
[19:08] <deego> oerheks: can you explain?  i thought you need esm for /end-of-life/ things for /extendend/ maintenance?
[19:09] <oerheks> your paste is clear, those updates are only available with esm
[19:09] <oerheks> and esm is free
[19:09] <leftyfb> I think it means pro. ESM should only be for EOL releases
[19:09] <leftyfb> though I think they are actually both 1 in the same
[19:10] <oerheks> correct, pro
[19:10] <leftyfb> deego: these are updates to community packages that Canonical has updated but are only available if you sign up for pro
[19:10] <leftyfb> deego: which for a home user is free for I think 5 machines
[19:11] <oerheks> I think it is because maintainers do not patch quickly enough ...
[19:11] <leftyfb> right
[19:11] <leftyfb> !ubuntupro | deego
[19:52] <ran> I think there is a bug in xubuntu 23.03 - Grayscale font anti-aliasing not available
[19:53] <ran> in Setting Manager In Appearance When selecting "Enable anti-aliasing" and Hinting set to "none" and "Sub-pixel order" set to "none" the hinting/anti-aliasing is set to RGB and not grayscale anti-aliasing as it used to be, So there isn't a way to change to grayscale anti-aliasing, thre is only RGB anti-aliasing. The problem is that not anyone likes RGB hinting/anti-aliasing, and some fonts look bad especially on black/dark background.
[19:56] <jhutchins> ran: Note that this is probably a gnome problem, not Ubuntu per-se, but still relevant.
[19:56] <jhutchins> ran: Are there any bug reports that cover it?
[19:56] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/2017314
[19:56] <ran> it can be xfce problem
[19:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017314 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Problem With font rendering in Xubuntu 23.04 - Grayscale anti-aliasing not available as it used to be in 22.10" [Undecided, New]
[19:57] <ran> this is my bug report
[19:57] <ioria> i know
[19:58] <jhutchins> ran: Ah.  We assume gnome, which is the default, unless otherwise specified.
[19:58] <ran> ok
[19:58] <jhutchins> Which, duh, I see you did, you said xubuntu in the first place.  My bad.
[19:59] <jhutchins> ran: Definitely vote that up or post "me too" or something.
[19:59] <jhutchins> Oh, it's yours.
[19:59] <jhutchins> I think I'm gonna go get more tea.
[19:59] <ran> yes
[20:01] <ran> there is some true-type fonts that emulate bitmapped fonts that look bad with RGB anti-aliasing
[20:03] <ran> the only way to fix this is to turn-off anti-aliasing, but the fonts looks very bad
[20:16] <Jari--> firmware support from HP for Ubuntu is very limited in my opinion
[20:16] <Jari--> actually meaning AMD, the hardware I have is AMD
[20:17] <Jari--> Radeon+APU CPU
[20:17] <ravage> Jari--: that is a very general statement and i would like to see some data that support that comapared to others
[20:17] <Jari--> ravage well, how do you e.g. flash a BIOS in Ubuntu?
[20:17] <Jari--> on Windows you simply click away
[20:17] <ravage> usually via efi
[20:18] <jhutchins> Jari--: Linux is not just windows without the pricetag.
[20:18] <Jari--> ravage but the EFI upload interface is Windows only
[20:18] <leftyfb> fwupdmgr
[20:18] <Jari--> I should search for Ubuntu EFI tools, I think
[20:18] <jhutchins> Jari--: That's not true, EFI/UEFI come from a mainframe background and are used on a WIDE range of hardware, including Apple Macs.
[20:19] <ravage> also HPs enterprise support for Linux is great
[20:19] <ravage> i can update my bios via the included remote interface
[20:19] <oerheks> fwupdmgr get-devices # or go wild; fwupdmgr get-updates
[20:20] <Towser> How do I make a "network bridge" between the WiFi and the ethernet so that the WiFi connection goes through the ethernet but is also still available to use
[20:20] <rbox> you can't easily bridge wifi
[20:20] <jhutchins> I've run some pretty big Linux farms on HP servers.
[20:20] <jhutchins> Towser: With a router.
[20:20] <Towser> rbox how in Lubuntu?
[20:20] <rbox> i just said you can't...
[20:21] <jhutchins> rbox: You CAN, but it usually takes some extra hardware.
[20:21] <leftyfb> Towser: you don't
[20:21] <jhutchins> rbox: Most routers run a form of linux.
[20:21] <rbox> and most routers aren't running consumer hardware
[20:21] <leftyfb> " but is also still available to use"
[20:22] <leftyfb> that part is not possible unless you have a chipset with multiple radios and the software supports it
[20:22] <leftyfb> Towser: you get multiple wifi cards/adapters
[20:22] <Towser> WiFi goes into eithernet but you can still use the WiFi connection
[20:22] <leftyfb> no
[20:23] <leftyfb> Towser: you cannot put the wifi adapter in AP mode and expect it to also function in station mode
[20:25] <Jeremy31> Towser: Depending on the driver it is possible
[20:26] <Towser> How do I do that with my card/driver?
[20:27] <Jeremy31> Towser: See https://github.com/lakinduakash/linux-wifi-hotspot be sure to install the dependencies.  It doesn't work with all wifi devices supported in Linux
[20:27] <leftyfb> Jeremy31: that's not what they're asking
[20:27] <oerheks> networkmanager in ubuntu can setup hotspot too
[20:27] <leftyfb> they're not just asking for a hotspot
[20:28] <Towser> I'm looking to feed the WiFi into the ethernet and still use the WiFi
[20:28] <Jeremy31> leftyfb: They want to share a wifi through a single wifi device?
[20:28] <jhutchins> Towser: What do you mean "use the wifi"?
[20:28] <Towser> Have the WiFi connection usable on the machine still
[20:28] <leftyfb> they want a single wifi adapter to join an SSID, but also act as it's own SSID for clients to join it, while also sharing wifi to clients connected via ethernet - not possible with standard wifi devices
[20:29] <leftyfb> Towser: you get 2 wifi adapters. One to join an SSID, the other to act as a hotspot
[20:29] <jhutchins> Towser: I'm still not clear on "usable".  If you want to use the  wifi on this device to connect to another device on the network, that's probably not going to work.
[20:30] <jhutchins> Towser: Especially without studying a LOT of wirless network theory.
[20:30] <Towser> Not quite. I'm looking for it to use a network and also share it to ethernet. Sadly it only has the one WiFi card
[20:30] <leftyfb> Towser: that you can do. But you cannot have other clients join your "hotspot" wirelessly. Only via ethernet
[20:31] <jhutchins> Towser: The good news is that if you can figure this out, you can probably get a good job as a network engineer.
[20:31] <Towser> That's the plan, the WiFi is shared via ethernet and the same WiFi is also the network connection for the computer itself
[20:32] <leftyfb> Towser: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/creating-and-configuring-wi-fi-hotspot-in-ubuntu/#
[20:33] <Jeremy31> Towser: Works better the other way, using ethernet as a source for a wifi hotspot
[20:33] <leftyfb> Jeremy31: you can do either
[20:33] <Jari--> okay, Ubuntu running, but terminal fails to start up...
[20:33] <oerheks> not possible. being hotspot and host at the same time
[20:33] <oerheks> use 2 wifi adapters
[20:33] <Jeremy31> oerheks: depends on if the driver supports concurrent mode
[20:33] <leftyfb> Towser: sorry, wrong link: https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection/
[20:34] <Jeremy31> Using one wifi device will be slower than using 2
[20:34] <Towser> My connection is WiFi but one device I have only accepts ethernet so the solution would be to set this up
[20:34] <leftyfb> oerheks: when connected to wifi and sharing said connection to connected ethernet devices, the host also uses the wifi connection for connectivity (internet)
[20:34] <leftyfb> Towser: https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection/
[20:34] <leftyfb> Towser: good luck
[20:35] <Towser> How would this work on Lubuntu? It's a little bit different
[20:35] <jhutchins> Should be possible to route traffic from the wired connection through the wifi to the gateway.
[20:35] <jhutchins> Towser: lubuntu is the same underneath the GUI.
[20:35] <oerheks> just use wired and setup wifi for sharing.
[20:35] <jhutchins> Towser: Networking is the same.
[20:35] <jhutchins> oerheks: I think he wants to forward the wired to the wifi.
[20:36] <leftyfb> lubuntu uses network manager?
[20:36] <leftyfb> I don't think that's true
[20:36] <Pokey> Is Ubuntu dropping support for ZFS rootfs entirely?
[20:36] <jhutchins> Doing this with Network Manager would probably be a nightmare.
[20:36] <ravage> Pokey: all we know is that the new installer in 23.04 does not support it
[20:37] <ravage> it may return. but there is no official statement
[20:37] <leftyfb> jhutchins: it's literally a dropdown choice as per the link I posted twice now
[20:37] <Pokey> ravage: Ye, quite, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1966773 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1968150
[20:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1968150 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove zsys from installer" [Undecided, Fix Released] [duplicate: 1966773]
[20:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1968150 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove zsys from installer" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[20:37] <ravage> zsys is another topic
[20:37] <ravage> i think we can burry that for good
[20:38] <Pokey> What is the recommended way these days?
[20:38] <leftyfb> Towser: maybe ask in #lubuntu how you can replicate https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection/ in lubuntu
[20:38] <ravage> dont
[20:38] <jhutchins> Towser: How to do it with two wired interfaces: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[20:38] <Pokey> (I'm looking to migrate a Ubuntu Server install to ZFS rootFS long term)
[20:39] <jhutchins> Towser: Very old, possibly out-of-date/obsolete, but good background.
[20:39] <leftyfb> jhutchins: that's not what they're asking
[20:40] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I've given them exactly how to do it with a single dropdown selection in network manager. Now they need to discuss with dedicated #lubuntu support how to do it specifically in lubuntu
[20:40] <leftyfb> they could just install network manager, that would also work
[20:40] <Jari--> Lubuntu must be much lighter, not reinstalling Ubuntu 22... it might just break again
[20:40] <leftyfb> I don't think installing nm will pull down all of gnome/xorg
[20:42] <Jari--> I just need a sewer where to throw in the Perl program I have
[20:43] <ravage> a gui perl program?
[20:44] <Jari--> choosing xubuntu, recalling this is really fastest X there is
[20:55] <webchat6> I am unable to boot Ubuntu and am getting a BadTLP error.
[20:56] <webchat6> This is version 20.
[20:57] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | webchat6
[20:57] <oerheks> webchat6, like this ?https://askubuntu.com/questions/1272533/badtlp-pcie-bus-error-in-ubuntu-20-04
[20:57] <leftyfb> webchat6: try Ubuntu 22.04
[20:57] <oerheks> some tips, https://itsfoss.com/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected/
[20:57] <webchat6> I am unable to log in to upgrade to 22
[20:58] <leftyfb> webchat6: how long ago did you install 20.04?
[20:58] <oerheks> pci=nomsi is likely to be helpful
[20:58] <webchat6> 2 years ago...this just started happening today afternoon when I removed Python 3
[20:58] <leftyfb> :/
[20:58] <oerheks> ... uh oh
[20:58] <leftyfb> why did you remove python 3?
[20:58] <oerheks> time to reinstall.
[20:59] <leftyfb> webchat6: fresh install 22.04. That is your best option now
[20:59] <webchat6> I wanted to install anaconda and not the default pip as the package mgr
[20:59] <webchat6> Will I lose everything in my hard drive?
[20:59] <leftyfb> yes
[20:59] <leftyfb> backup and then restore after install
[21:00] <webchat6> I can't backup since I am unable to log into it
[21:00] <ravage> you can backup from the installer iso
[21:00] <oerheks> backup with a live iso session
[21:00] <ravage> click "try ubuntu"
[21:01] <webchat6> ok thanks ravage
[21:01] <leftyfb> webchat6: and don't mess with anaconda. There's a reason it's not available in ubuntu
[21:01] <webchat6> got it
[21:02] <webchat6> pytorch folks recommend anaconda and hence I thought of trying it
[21:02] <leftyfb> did you tell them you were running ubuntu?
[21:02] <webchat6> No
[21:02] <rbox> so how does trying anaconda equate to removing python
[21:03] <webchat6> https://pytorch.org/get-started/locally/
[21:03] <webchat6> Anaconda comes with its own Python3
[21:03] <rbox> that doesnt say anything about removing python
[21:03] <webchat6> true but I did not want multiple Python3 versions on my laptop
[21:03] <rbox> lol
[21:04] <oerheks> "Python 3.7 or greater is generally installed by default on any of our supported Linux distributions, which meets our recommendation."
[21:04] <oerheks> ....
[21:05] <oerheks> and further in that page" Python 3.7 or greater is generally installed by default on any of our supported Linux distributions, which meets our recommendation."
[21:05] <oerheks> err
[21:05] <oerheks> If you use Anaconda to install PyTorch, it will install a sandboxed version of Python that will be used for running PyTorch applications.
[21:05] <webchat6> correct
[21:06] <webchat6> I agree that what I did was stupid
[21:06] <oerheks> no need for that sandboxed 3.7 at all..
[21:07] <ravage> learning through pain is effective :)
[21:07] <oerheks> and that page is old, their wiki says; https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch#from-source
[21:07] <oerheks> 3.8
[21:07] <oerheks> what a mess
[21:07] <leftyfb> webchat6: why do you need pytorch?
[21:08] <rbox> maybe his lights are out
[21:08] <webchat6> To do Deep Learning exercises for my HW
[21:11] <batman_> hello/
[21:11] <batman_> hello?
[21:11] <batman_> anyone here
[21:11] <batman_> ?
[21:11] <rbox> nope
[21:11] <rbox> just missed em
[21:11] <batman_> first time using IRC chat
[21:11] <leftyfb> !support | batman_
[21:12] <leftyfb> !offtopic | batman_
[21:12] <batman_> ok i see
[21:12] <bprompt> batman_: just check the channel list in your irc client, based on topics, join a channel :)
[21:13] <jhutchins> !alis
[21:39] <EX3CP01S0N_ALT> SUP
[21:40] <Jeremy31> EX3CP01S0N_ALT: Quit the caps lock
[21:40] <Jari--> so, when is the first Ubuntu based evehicle coming out? electric cars
[21:41] <rbox> the first teslas used ubuntu
[21:43] <Jari--> rbox, I recall reading trillions spent on investments on evehicles, so I am betting everything will in order be this, or is as of
[21:44] <gry> Jari--: look at automotive grade linux (agl), it's in use at a few brands
[21:45] <gry> Jari--: though in vehicle specs it's not usually widely advertised
[21:45] <gry> Jari--: perhaps they dont have an official channel here, so ##agl could be utilized..
[21:49] <Jari--> xubuntu made an internal error
[21:53] <Jari--> okay, the setup popped up, multiple clicks on install icon on a slow pc
[21:55] <Jari--> I am wondering if snapdragon 7c or 850 is supported by Linux, how well, is it usable
[21:56] <Jari--> so called "tablet pc" laptops, averaging 150 euros, for a performance of say 2016 core i7
[21:58] <rbox> when it comes to arm, its not about the processor, the device itself has to be supported
[21:58] <WaV> there is a snapdragon hwe package. I would assume that means ubuntu is compatible.
[22:42] <userr> hi
[22:42] <userr> no one?
[22:42] <userr> ok
[22:42] <userr> bye
[22:43] <rbox> lol
[22:59] <idmbe> hi, no one, ok, bye :) that best one from days :)))
[23:00] <Bashing-om> idmbe: I Just joined - what is the issue you are facing - maybe I can help.
[23:03] <idmbe> Bashing-om: i'm just talking about someone come here and wrote that so fast and he is left
[23:04] <idmbe> Bashing-om: and thanks for you trying to help
[23:04] <Bashing-om> idmbe: Ack - drive bys do happen :D
[23:05] <idmbe> Bashing-om: That truth :)
[23:10] <Bashing-om> idmbe: I did notice your Ubuntu Membership Application on the Forums. Please join the #ubuntu-discuss channel to discuss this.
[23:13] <idmbe> Bashing-om: Ok thank you for let me know that, done
[23:46] <nshire> tracker-miner is using ridiculous CPU power for me
[23:46] <nshire> 100% usage with 1000h of cpu time
[23:48] <nshire> https://i.imgur.com/KNzkvnV.png
[23:51] <leftyfb> nshire: https://askubuntu.com/a/1258772
[23:51] <nshire> 1000 hours of cpu time is not normal
[23:54] <nshire> will .trackerignore work for subfolders? probably?
[23:58] <nshire> I was going to disable it outright but looks like .trackerignore in my folder with 1mil objects is a better option, thanks


[16:29] <Laney> I've seen "gpg: keyserver receive failed: No data" a few times today while watching autopkgtest logs
[16:30] <Laney> is there some instability going on?
[16:30] <Laney> Things generally work after they retry so it's not critical, just some wasted time / cycles.
[16:43] <cjwatson> Laney: I've seen the odd glitch too, but the keyserver is operated by IS not us
[16:44] <Laney> cjwatson: OK, I thought you might know anyway. I'll go ask them.


[21:15] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning
[21:15] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hi
[21:15] <jbicha> Linux Mint has forked unity-greeter: https://github.com/linuxmint/slick-greeter
[21:20] <robert_ancell> jbicha, nice
[21:26] <jbicha> yes, it will probably be better for them to just have to maintain the frontend and not all of their gdm fork mdm
[21:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, that is the point of LightDM :)
[22:55] <TheMuso> Kinda amazes me that the lightdm concept wasn't considered from day dot, but oh well.
[23:03] <jbicha> TheMuso: I think Linux Mint's default choice is to fork what used to work
[23:03] <jbicha> which is probably a reasonable strategy
[23:06] <TheMuso> Yeah.


[12:02] <BrianHechinger[m> Does anyone know if there is a MIDI Transport plugin for Audacious? I can't seem to find one. :(
[13:25] <tastenheld[m]> What Interface?
[13:26] <tastenheld[m]> What soundcard? Can it handle 192KHz?
[13:42] <tastenheld[m]> Try ubuntu studiocontrols first
[14:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> -spirit: It sounds like you didn't read the release notes.
[14:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> PipeWire is default in 23.04.
[14:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> With that, no need for Studio Controls since it controls JACK, and not pipewire-jack.
[14:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you want the old setup with Studio Controls, install ubuntustudio-pulseaudio-config. More info: https://ubuntustudio.org/switching-audio-setup/
[14:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> But before you start complaining, read release notes. That's what they're there for.
[14:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right. PipeWire can't exactly handle what you want to do. (I don't know why on earth you'd want to run at 192Khz, because only bats can hear at that range and it makes your recordings huge, but whatever).
[14:16] <M-spirit[m]> but i cannot change the hz fraquency
[14:16] <M-spirit[m]> i opened pipewire
[14:16] <M-spirit[m]> for mine reasons i want do it
[14:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Like I said, whatever. I won't stop you. Read the links I showed you. It's obvious you're experimenting and not doing serious recording in a studio.
[14:16] <M-spirit[m]> so, how can I handle it? I must put again studio controls?
[14:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Again, read the links I posted.
[14:16] <M-spirit[m]> ok, thank you, i hope to solve that :))
[14:18] <M-spirit[m]> i'll advice you later
[14:43] <M-spirit[m]> thank you very much!!
[14:43] <M-spirit[m]> is working all propely just going to Ubuntu studio installer -> download pulse audio
[14:44] <M-spirit[m]> than i restardet pc... and all going good, thank you
[14:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> You're welcome.
[14:45] <M-spirit[m]> i needed help because I'm not an experienced user of ubuntu studio... and i'm not very good reading in english the new features
[14:45] <M-spirit[m]> hope you'll have lucky day ;))
[14:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Every release has release notes. This is true of every operating system.
[14:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> You too!
[17:49] <djhero> How can I get firefox to remember to go through ardour instead of the primary playback device? each refresh it switches back to main out
[19:08] <OvenWerks> djhero: which audio backend are you using? (Jack, pipewire, pulse?) It siounds like maybe pipewire to me.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> with pipewire, I have found the best thing to do is create a loopback device and make it the default desktop device. Fire fox will then connect to that as default. You can then connect the output of that to ardour. With pulse, the regular pulse-jack bridge should do about the same