[20:25] <JimBuntu> You are remounting the partition in read/write mode... then they have your clearing out a cache directory to return the 1,113,504 it was consuming
[20:26] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/d043e7a8/
[20:26] <JimBuntu> and to clear out any settings/configs/etc that may have been cached there, I presume.
[20:26] <tomreyn> here's a slightly improved receursive du again: for i in $(ls /);do du -sx /$i 2>/dev/null;done | sort -n | pastebinit
[20:27] <B1ack0p> Jim thx
[20:27] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: why are we focussing on /root ?
[20:27] <B1ack0p> Tomreyn because it was full i guess
[20:27] <memphisto> do now
[20:28] <memphisto> df -h /
[20:28] <memphisto> screenshot\
[20:28] <B1ack0p> Ok
[20:29] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: 1 GB, yes, ok.
[20:29] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/3779ee7e/
[20:29] <B1ack0p> 11 gb
[20:29] <memphisto> now do the for loop that tomreyn wrote and take a screenshot
[20:29] <tomreyn> i ean /root had ~ 1GB data (now much less)
[20:29] <B1ack0p> I think i made mistake by giving specific partition to root while installing ubuntu
[20:30] <tomreyn> *mean
[20:30] <tomreyn> actually i'd just retry booting now.
[20:30] <memphisto> 1GB free should be enough to make a system bootable
[20:32] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: sorry i didnt actually mean to ask *you* that 'why are we focussing on /root' question but memphisto. but it's clear now.
[20:32] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/04573595/
[20:33] <B1ack0p> Tomreyn i did your long command
[20:33] <memphisto> lose the last |
[20:33] <B1ack0p> Ok
[20:33] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: you missed the trailing "pastebinit". but if you'll use your camera to screenshot you can just omit the trailing " | pastebinit"
[20:33] <B1ack0p> If i can go back to root
[20:33] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: what memphisto said
[20:34] <memphisto> ctrl+D
[20:34] <tomreyn> press ctrl-c
[20:36] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/708335a1/
[20:37] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/4462b4b1/
[20:38] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: not sure what you have in /opt (it's empty by default), but i'd sa yjust reboot now
[20:39] <B1ack0p> Good news
[20:39] <B1ack0p> I am in now
[20:39] <B1ack0p> Thank you guys !
[20:39] <B1ack0p> Memphis and tomreyn
[20:39] <tomreyn> is it coming up fine then?
[20:39] <B1ack0p> I will reboot normally and try again
[20:40] <memphisto> how much of your disk has been reserved for windows and how much for linux
[20:40] <memphisto> ?
[20:40] <B1ack0p> Yes it comes normally now
[20:40] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: to prevent such issues in the future, when you'll run server type services such as mysqld, which store data in /var, have both a separate 7home and /var partition.
[20:40] <B1ack0p> Memphis my ssd is 240gb
[20:40] <B1ack0p> I gave about 170 for windows and 60 ubuntu
[20:41] <B1ack0p> 8 for swap 11 for root rest is home
[20:42] <B1ack0p> It warned again
[20:42] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/9040f409/
[20:42] <memphisto> id put 2G for swap; at least 20GB for root (/); and rest home
[20:43] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: "again"? so it warned before, and *someone* ignored this warning? ;)
[20:43] <B1ack0p> Low disk space on “filesystem root”
[20:43] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: that is correct.
[20:44] <B1ack0p> What can i do?
[20:44] <Besi> how install the Nvidia 390.59 driver ????
[20:44] <B1ack0p> I wish i didnt attend partition for root
[20:44] <memphisto> why didn't you use suggested partitioning scheme in installer ?
[20:44] <pavlos> do you need /opt
[20:45] <B1ack0p> Memphis i read somewhere it is better to atten specific partition for root home tmp boot etc
[20:45] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: as pavlos suggested, choose "examine" and see what's in /opt
[20:46] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: can be and can be not, dpends on use case. with little overall space it may be better to have only few or just one partition for increased flexibility.
[20:46] <B1ack0p> https://unsee.cc/846f7004/
[20:47] <memphisto> well 11GB for all the apps, all the temp files
[20:47] <Besi> how install the Nvidia 390.59 driver ????
[20:47] <memphisto> see the picture you sent...4.6GB for user data
[20:47] <B1ack0p> I gave 60 for all ubuntu what happened that?
[20:47] <memphisto> easy
[20:47] <memphisto> you gave 60GB for home partition
[20:48] <memphisto> place where you put pictures, movies
[20:48] <B1ack0p> For documents?
[20:48] <memphisto> documents
[20:48] <memphisto> yes
[20:48] <B1ack0p> Damn :/
[20:48] <memphisto> if you don't have anything on linux now, just do a clean install and let the installed partition it
[20:48] <B1ack0p> Can i change ? Or should I reinstall ubuntu?
[20:48] <B1ack0p> Ook got it
[20:48] <memphisto> easier to reinstall
[20:48] <B1ack0p> It is a lot of work :/
[20:49] <B1ack0p> Change theme install everything again
[20:49] <B1ack0p> Ok then i will just give swap area and /
[20:49] <B1ack0p> No more specific partition
[20:49] <memphisto> no
[20:49] <memphisto> just leave the automatic
[20:49] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: the other option *can* be to download and boot from gparted live and do it that way. but this can also break the installation.
[20:50] <B1ack0p> It is not automatic
[20:50] <B1ack0p> It asks me what to do
[20:50] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: how did oyu install?
[20:50] <tomreyn> which iso did you download
[20:50] <B1ack0p> 64bit from ubuntu web?
[20:51] <tomreyn> ubuntu 18.04 amd64 desktop installation?
[20:51] <B1ack0p> Yep
[20:51] <tomreyn> then it surely offers fully automatic partitioning
[20:51] <memphisto> Besi: download from https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1035485/b/t/post/5260307/#5260307
[20:52] <memphisto> presuming you are running 64bit version then download Linux x86_64
[20:52] <Besi> memphisto ok i Downloaded that ??
[20:52] <memphisto> chmod +x file_name
[20:52] <memphisto> ./file_name
[20:52] <memphisto> and follow the instructions
[20:53] <B1ack0p> Me?
[20:53] <memphisto> no, talking to Besi
[20:53] <B1ack0p> Oh ok
[20:53] <memphisto> Besi: there is a README also ...https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1035485/b/t/post/5260307/#5260307
[20:53] <memphisto> follow it
[20:53] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: can you open a terminal and run: lsblk | pastebinit
[20:54] <B1ack0p> Ok
[20:54] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: this should return a url, please post it
[20:55] <pavlos> B1ack0p: you could add the -fs flag ... lsblk -fs
[20:55] <B1ack0p> Brb
[20:55] <watermark> fyi, pastebinit isn't part of the base install
[20:55] <BlackOp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6pd9f5KW6b/
[20:55] <tomreyn> well i do care about sizes, pavlos
[20:56] <pavlos> ok
[20:56] <Besi> memphisto    ERROR: nvidia-installer must be run as root ??? how i get the Root Rights
[20:56] <BlackOp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JK4xhCDR8C/
[20:56] <tomreyn> oh snap, i guess we'll get to see such more commonly nowadays
[20:56] <nacc> tomreyn: what is being seen? (sorry no context)
[20:57] <tomreyn> nacc: plenty of loop storage devices
[20:57] <nacc> tomreyn: ah yes
[20:58] <tomreyn> (and much wasted space)
[20:58] <nacc> tomreyn: but that in and of itself isn't an issue -- is there a bug or something?
[20:58] <memphisto> Besi; sudo su - to become root; then try running init 3 (don't know if it will work....) you will be without X (no GUI, no windows); then go to folder where you downloaded and run the file as previously mentioned
[20:58] <tomreyn> nacc: no, just my lack of comfort with snap, that's the only issue
[20:58] <nacc> tomreyn: :)
[20:59] <nacc> memphisto: `sudo -s -H` has some benefits over `sudo su`
[21:00] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: so you could (download and wriote to usb stick and) boot from gparted-live and shrink /home (sda4) and and extend / /sda6)
[21:01] <pavlos> B1ack0p: dont use the fs flag, just lsblk | pastebin so we can see sizes
[21:01] <B1ack0p> tomreyn: does it harm any partition?
[21:01] <Besi> memphisto not working this is  complicated for my brain
[21:01] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: you could additionally shrink swap (sda5), but that's not strictly mandatory nad might introduce issues.
[21:01] <B1ack0p> tomreyn: i better clean install it
[21:01] <memphisto> Besi: wait for it to be in the repos ...its easier
[21:01] <B1ack0p> but not today
[21:02] <B1ack0p> also i dont know how to partition the hdd
[21:02] <matjam> nacc: I tend to use sudo -i
[21:02] <B1ack0p> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6pd9f5KW6b/
[21:02] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: it should not harm your parition table, aprtitions or file systems (and the data stored on them), but you should always be sure to have full, proven restorable, remote backups before experimenting with shuffling around and resizing artitions and file systems.
[21:03] <memphisto> B1ack0p: good, but for now just remove some software to free up some space
[21:03] <B1ack0p> there are duplicated apps
[21:03] <nacc> matjam: yeah that's also reasonable
[21:03] <B1ack0p> such as skype and gimp
[21:03] <B1ack0p> why is that?
[21:03] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: that's the same link you posted previously.
[21:03] <nacc> B1ack0p: two versions of the snap
[21:03] <B1ack0p> yes
[21:04] <B1ack0p> so i want to uninstall one of them
[21:04] <nacc> B1ack0p: it's not super important, but is how snaps work
[21:04] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: you can remove the old verison if you dont need it
[21:04] <memphisto> no thats just snap version of the program
[21:04] <nacc> B1ack0p: they aren't taking up space in practice, just memory
[21:04] <B1ack0p> ok
[21:05] <B1ack0p> i do sudo apt remove skype but doesnt find it
[21:05] <memphisto> cause its a snap
[21:05] <B1ack0p> weird
[21:05] <nacc> B1ack0p: it's not a deb packge, it's a sanp
[21:05] <nacc> *snap
[21:05] <Besi> memphisto    but here come another Error   ERROR: An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia-drm' appears to already be loaded in            your kernel.  This may be because it is in use (for example, by an X            server, a CUDA program, or the NVIDIA Persistence Daemon), but this             may also happen if your kernel was configured without support for               module unloading.  Please be sure to exit any programs that may be
[21:05] <B1ack0p> so how can i remove it?
[21:05] <nacc> and you don't want to remove it, as that will remove both versions, B1ack0p
[21:05] <nacc> B1ack0p: why do you care?
[21:05] <pavlos> B1ack0p: I think the name is skypeforlinux
[21:05] <nacc> B1ack0p: what are you actually trying to solve right now -- that both versions are mounted is completely irrelevant to you as a user
[21:06] <B1ack0p> sudo snap remove skype worked
[21:06] <memphisto> nacc: he wants to free some space
[21:06] <tomreyn> B1ack0p: apt manages debian (deb) packages, snap manages snaps. the graphical ubuntu software center installs snaps whereas synaptic would install deb's
[21:06] <nacc> memphisto: then that's the wrong place to look
[21:06] <nacc> B1ack0p: snaps don't take up on-disk space
[21:06] <B1ack0p> it is confusing..
[21:07] <memphisto> snap is image; it takes some space
[21:07] <nacc> memphisto: not the mounted thing
[21:07] <memphisto> true
[21:07] <nacc> you are both confusing two different things
[21:07] <memphisto> but he is removeing snap software
[21:07] <B1ack0p> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Yq9Jpv65g/
[21:08] <nacc> also i'm 99% sure removing the snap doesn't necessarily delete it from the local cache
[21:08] <nacc> which means the disk is still used
[21:08] <nacc> B1ack0p: if you are low on disk space, snaps are not relevant
[21:08] <B1ack0p> so what makes it full?
[21:08] <nacc> B1ack0p: what was the purpose of pasting that again?
[21:08] <nacc> B1ack0p: makes *what* full?
[21:08] <B1ack0p> what makes space full?
[21:09] <nacc> B1ack0p: ... what space is full? you need to start over and be clear.
[21:09] <tomreyn>  /
[21:09] <B1ack0p> ook
[21:09] <B1ack0p> never mind
[21:10] <memphisto> :)
[21:10] <nacc> B1ack0p: use `du -h --max-depth=1 /`
[21:10] <B1ack0p> i will clean install everything soon
[21:10] <tomreyn> the root partition is pretty full
[21:10] <pavlos> based on the recent df, / is 11.2G and 900MB free
[21:10] <nacc> B1ack0p: snaps are mounted in /snap and do not use any physical disk in /
[21:10] <nacc> *loopback-mounted
[21:10] <B1ack0p> so it uses from ram
[21:11] <pavlos> iirc, /opt is about 1.5G ... can you clean that?
[21:11] <B1ack0p> how?
[21:11] <B1ack0p> what is opt btw?
[21:12] <nacc> !fhs | B1ack0p
[21:12] <B1ack0p> thx nacc
[21:12] <pavlos> a dir where apps install things ... ls -l /opt | pastebin
[21:12] <stacks88> On ubuntu 18.04, any time i install packages, It stalls on Processing triggers for  for like 3-5 minutes, then finally completes. How can I fix this?
[21:13] <stacks88> So it does work in the end but, theres this weird delay all the time
[21:13] <memphisto> stacks88: you wait
[21:13] <stacks88> on ubuntu 16.04 i wouldnt have to weait to install 1 tiny program
[21:13] <stacks88> less than 1 mb in size
[21:14] <stacks88> https://i.imgur.com/PkXuoOL.png
[21:14] <stacks88> now it finished
[21:14] <stacks88> I just thought other people were experiencing this. I guess not
[21:14] <B1ack0p> pavlos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cPXF2B4hxm/
[21:15] <B1ack0p> lampp and office 1.5gb it seems
[21:15] <pavlos> libreoffice6 in /opt?
[21:15] <B1ack0p> no idea pavlos
[21:15] <B1ack0p> why it is there
[21:16] <memphisto> its a snap image
[21:16] <B1ack0p> i installed libreoffice later
[21:16] <B1ack0p> it was not installed in ubuntu
[21:16] <nacc> memphisto: what?
[21:16] <nacc> memphisto: the thing in /opt is unrelated to the snap
[21:16] <nacc> B1ack0p: is this your system?
[21:16] <B1ack0p> nacc: yes mine but i am newbie on ubuntu
[21:16] <nacc> B1ack0p: saying "no idea" when you had to do thing as root on your system, is really bad :)
[21:17] <nacc> B1ack0p: you should 100% know what you are doing as root, and why. And know how to *undo* them, as well..
[21:17] <B1ack0p> while installing ubuntu i chose empty installation
[21:17] <B1ack0p> without preinstalled apps
[21:17] <B1ack0p> nacc: i am learning
[21:18] <B1ack0p> this channel is taught me many things about ubuntu so far
[21:18] <B1ack0p> if you had 240gb ssd how much would you give to win10 and ubuntu?
[21:18] <B1ack0p> i want to buy 500gb ssd but it is expensive..
[21:19] <B1ack0p> i have 1tb harddrive but ssd is much more faster than it
[21:19] <nacc> B1ack0p: that is not  question we can answer. You only know how much you use data in each, etc.
[21:19] <memphisto> 240 for ubuntu
[21:19] <B1ack0p> lol memphisto
[21:19] <B1ack0p> i wish but i need win sometimes unfortunately
[21:19] <B1ack0p> and damn win needs more space :/
[21:20] <pavlos> B1ack0p: how much data in /home? ... du -s /home
[21:21] <B1ack0p> pavlos: du: cannot read directory '/home/m/.dbus': Permission denied
[21:21] <matjam> someone used sudo
[21:22] <B1ack0p> 4751048/home
[21:23] <pavlos> B1ack0p: so there is 4.7GB used out of 38.8G in /home
[21:23] <B1ack0p> yes
[21:24] <B1ack0p> ok i will reinstall it soon
[21:24] <B1ack0p> i better sleep now
[21:24] <memphisto> can you go into /opt/libreoffice6.0
[21:25] <memphisto> B1ack0p: can you list the files there
[21:25] <B1ack0p> memphisto: yes
[21:25] <B1ack0p> all office is there
[21:26] <B1ack0p> 8,563 items, totalling 579.2 MB
[21:27] <memphisto> and what is in /opt/lampp
[21:27] <memphisto> and do you need it ?
[21:28] <B1ack0p> memphisto: i want to learn some php sql stuffs so i installed it
[21:28] <memphisto> how big is it
[21:29] <B1ack0p> approx 7--800mb
[21:29] <B1ack0p> still counting
[21:29] <B1ack0p> i gotta sleep
[21:29] <memphisto> good night
[21:30] <B1ack0p> thx memphisto for everything today and tomreyn and others too
[21:30] <B1ack0p> see ya later
[21:30] <B1ack0p> nite
[21:30] <Jerry> whats up
[21:32] <oerheks> !info whatsap
[21:32] <memphisto> justchillin
[21:32] <memphisto> :D
[21:40] <fightthe1alrus> hello, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade to update the kernel and the process has hanged on "Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-22-generic (...)"
[21:41] <fightthe1alrus> should I Ctrl+C kill it and run something like dpkg --reconfigure or similar?
[21:41] <fightthe1alrus> More importantly, will this brick the system? It's stuck there for a good 30min
[21:42] <nacc> fightthe1alrus: well, the headers won't brick your system, but other pakcages that were upgraded in the same process might
[21:43] <nacc> fightthe1alrus: someone else complained of sommething similar yesterday
[21:44] <Two_Dogs> fightthe1alrus: i would reboot, if you see hang then reboot into last good kernel
[21:46] <fightthe1alrus> nacc: reading the log, it seems that mooooost of the packages already got installed, that seemed to be one of the last. I guess I'll try to fix straight with dpkg
[21:47] <fightthe1alrus> Two_Dogs: would you reboot immediately, or try to do something then reboot?
[21:47] <fightthe1alrus> (and what would that something be)
[21:48] <Two_Dogs> fightthe1alrus: iwould be more concerned about the kernel just because, so i boot and if kernel loads fine then the rest is just cleanup
[21:49] <Two_Dogs> fightthe1alrus: the dpkg thing you brought up i mean
[21:50] <fightthe1alrus> Two_Dogs: ok, guess I'll do that as soon as I finish some work here
[21:50] <Two_Dogs> aye
[21:51] <fightthe1alrus> nacc: you mentioneed that somebody had a similar problem yesterday... can you remember what was the fix?
[21:53] <nacc> fightthe1alrus: sadly no, you could check the log
[21:53] <nacc> *logs
[21:55] <Two_Dogs> fightthe1alrus: do you have more than two active kernel?
[21:55] <Two_Dogs> fightthe1alrus:  copy/paste & execute via terminal> dpkg -l linux-image*
[22:00] <fightthe1alrus> oh, that's a handy command to check packages, Two_Dogs
[22:00]  * fightthe1alrus makes a note to `man dpkg` later
[22:01] <fightthe1alrus> here it is mister https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F9kwfjVh9d/
[22:02] <pavlos> fightthe1alrus: I think the command should be, dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[22:02] <Laki_> anyone any good with awk? I'm trying to get it to fire any sort of command when a line contains the string as shown:   tail -f test.txt | awk 'Disconnected or forced to leave {print hello}'
[22:02] <fightthe1alrus> so... I guess for anyone else wondering about the problem, I think I just solved everything.
[22:03] <fightthe1alrus> What I did was kill the dpkg process (plain `sudo killall dpkg` worked just fine)
[22:03] <fightthe1alrus> then I ran `sudo dpkg --configure -a` and it bootstrapped from there
[22:04] <fightthe1alrus> That was the solution for me. Maybe other people can profit from this.
[22:04] <fightthe1alrus> Thanks goes to nacc and Two_Dogs for the hints.
[22:08] <Besi> Guys any Teamviewer alternative ???
[22:09] <Two_Dogs> Besi: 'nomachine'
[22:10] <oerheks> 2xgo, x over ssh
[22:10] <tgm4883> !ot | Besi
[22:10] <oerheks> unless you run a wayland session, then you have to wait for a solution
[22:10] <Two_Dogs> thats gonna be difficult on the ipad ^^
[22:11] <tgm4883> also, unable to answer the question unless you specifically state what part your trying to use
[22:11] <tomreyn> Besi: which functionality do you seek to replace?
[22:12] <Laki_> anyone any good with awk? I'm trying to get it to fire any sort of command when a line contains the string as shown:   tail -f test.txt | awk 'Disconnected or forced to leave {print hello}'
[22:14] <l__q> https://serverfault.com/questions/914677/gnutls-handshake-failed-error-in-the-push-function
[22:15] <l__q> maybe someone knows
[22:15] <tomreyn> Besi: maybe this helps https://alternativeto.net/software/teamviewer/?license=opensource&platform=linux
[22:16] <tomreyn> Laki_: wouldn't grep be a better match for it?
[22:16] <Laki_> tomreyn: yes but you can't execute anything from grep if there's a match?
[22:17] <tomreyn> tail -f test.txt | grep -qF 'Disconnected or forced to leave' && echo 'String was matched' || echo 'String was not matched'
[22:18] <tomreyn> Laki_: ^
[22:19] <Besi> Tomreyn Thanks
[22:19] <tomreyn> it would be more precise to evaluate grep's exit code properly, though.
[22:19] <Laki_> tomreyn: hmmmm this only does it once though and closes tail when its triggered?
[22:20] <tomreyn> Laki_: right, you wanrt ro run a command each time a matching line is found?
[22:21] <Laki_> tomreyn: Yeah that'd be spot on heh
[22:21] <Laki_> awk seems to be the way to go, apart from the fact it just doesnt work
[22:25] <nacc> Laki_: afaict, your awk has a syntax error
[22:25] <Laki_> nacc: yea ive tried loads of things with it now and it's just not budged
[22:26] <l__q> is that issue with openssl?
[22:26] <Laki_> nacc: simply trying to get it to read a tail -f and execute when it finds a word...
[22:26] <l__q> https://serverfault.com/questions/914677/gnutls-handshake-failed-error-in-the-push-function
[22:26] <nacc> Laki_: tail -f test.txt | awk '/Disconnected or forced to leave/ {print "hello";}'
[22:26] <nacc> Laki_: works fine here
[22:27] <Laki_> nacc: literally just done that, it's not doing anything ._.
[22:28] <nacc> Laki_: and i did as well and it works fine.
[22:28] <nacc> Laki_: how are you testing?
[22:29] <Laki_> nacc: program is running (./myprogram > test.txt) and then tail -f test.txt | awk  on another terminal
[22:29] <nacc> Laki_: and it's definitely emitting on stdout and not stderr?
[22:29] <Laki_> nacc: if I just tail -f test.txt , it ofcourse shows it all, so awk should be able to see it
[22:29] <nacc> Laki_: also that's a a terrible test.
[22:29] <nacc> Laki_: run the tail -f | awk
[22:30] <Laki_> nacc: I have no idea if its stdout or stderr
[22:30] <nacc> Laki_: then in a shell do `echo "Disconnected or forced to leave" >> test.txt`
[22:30] <nacc> Laki_: then you should probably be doing >test.txt 2>&1
[22:30] <Laki_> nacc: tail -f test.txt | awk just returns to shell
[22:31] <nacc> Laki_: obviously the regex we are talking about...
[22:31] <Laki_> nacc: im not quiet familiar with what stdout and stderr are
[22:31] <nacc> Laki_: `tail -f test.txt | awk '/Disconnected or forced to leave/ {print "hello";}'`
[22:31] <Laki_> nacc: again, nothing, its listening, but nothing
[22:31] <nacc> Laki_: then perhaps this is not something you need to be doing :) it's a pretty basic concept
[22:32] <nacc> Laki_: right, now in a separate shell, like i *just* said, append the string into the file
[22:32] <pavlos> Laki_: echo Disconnected >> test.txt from another term
[22:32] <nacc> it will need to be the full string with the version I suggested
[22:32] <Laki_> nacc: whilst it's listening yea?
[22:32] <nacc> Laki_: ...yes
[22:33] <nacc> "listening" is really the wrong term, but ok
[22:33] <Laki_> nacc: mkay, nothing happend again captain
[22:33] <nacc> Laki_: what did you, exactly, type?
[22:33] <Laki_> nacc: echo Disconnected >> test.txt and then echo "Disconnected" >> test.txt
[22:33] <nacc> Laki_: no.
[22:33] <Laki_> the listening awk didn't budge
[22:33] <nacc> Laki_: as I just said, you need to use the exact string
[22:33] <nacc> Laki_: echo "Disconnected or forced to leave" >> test.txt
[22:33] <Laki_> nacc: done, nothing
[22:34] <nacc> Laki_: are you in the same directory in both shells?
[22:34] <Laki_> nacc: yep, ofcourse
[22:34] <tomreyn> did you add the forward slashes to your awk command?
[22:34] <Laki_> nacc: deffo went into the test.txt
[22:34] <Laki_> nano'ing / tails on it shows it all up, yet awk still did nothing
[22:35] <tomreyn> i guess concrete command input and output is needed to assist you further.
[22:35] <nacc> Laki_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V4NhrvRM6f/
[22:36] <nacc> Laki_: are you actually on ubuntu?
[22:36] <Laki_> nacc: yes lol
[22:37] <pavlos> open a term, echo bob >>text  another term, tail -f test | awk '/bob/ {print "hello"}'
[22:37] <tomreyn> text or test, not the same
[22:37] <pavlos> open a term, echo andy >> test
[22:38] <pavlos> my mistake
[22:38] <nacc> Laki_: what version of ubuntu?
[22:38] <Laki_> nacc: 18, does this help? https://i.imgur.com/rqCZkQ4.png lol
[22:39] <nacc> Laki_: you can do what pavlos is saying, or alternatively, let's break it down further
[22:39] <nacc> drop the awk
[22:39] <nacc> and just tail -f in one terminal and see if your echo's show up
[22:39] <Laki_> righto, not a problem. XD
[22:40] <nacc> Laki_: fwiw, i'm also on 18.04
[22:40] <Laki_> nacc: https://i.imgur.com/Fa7YO5P.png here you go!!
[22:41] <Laki_> mad isn't it?
[22:42] <nacc> Laki_: i'd try pavlos' suggestion, fully independent of your program
[22:42] <Laki_> righto ill go do that one sec :)
[22:42] <Laki_> thanks for taking your time to help me out by the way!
[22:44] <Laki_> nacc: pavlos https://i.imgur.com/EhJYAPX.png I'm lost for words.
[22:46] <pavlos> Laki_: repeat in term 4 the echo, it will appear on term 3
[22:47] <Laki_> pavlos: nacc https://i.imgur.com/VckTghq.jpg
[22:47] <greatgatsby>  hey Laki_:  I was having the same problem as you, it wasn't doing anything.  I had to do "tail -f somefile.txt | awk -W interactive '{whatever goes here}'
[22:48] <Laki_> greatgatsby: And todays hero award goes toooo....................
[22:48] <greatgatsby> :-)
[22:48] <Laki_> greatgatsby: that sorted the #@£$er out! thanks dude! my god
[22:48] <greatgatsby> you weren't doing anything wrong
[22:48] <greatgatsby> just different awk versions???
[22:48] <Laki_> greatgatsby: I would tell you but awk seems to have next to 0 bloody --HELP OPTIONS :(
[22:49] <greatgatsby> I only knew because grep needs --line-buffered for it to work, so thought awk might have something similar
[22:49] <pavlos> my awk is 4.1.4
[22:49] <Laki_> welp, today I've found my most hated piece of software on linux, Awk has taken the cake by storm
[22:51] <Laki_> you know you're software is good when it takes users an hour+ just to make it look for a bit of text
[22:51] <Laki_> anyway, thanks nacc pavlos and greatgatsby for your time and help! Super appreciated! :)
[22:51] <greatgatsby> it's actually a symlink to mawk on my machine (through /etc/alternatives)
[22:52] <nacc> it gawk by default on ubuntu i'm pretty sure
[22:52] <nacc> and that option is not necessary on my machine
[22:52] <nacc> Laki_: there is almost certainly something else going on, tbh
[22:52] <Laki_> very strange, some dark magic is lurking somewhere for sure
[22:52] <greatgatsby> just lurking in here on a raspbian machine at the moment :-)
[22:53] <nacc> Laki_: areyou using a non-standard shell by any chance?
[22:53] <Laki_> nacc: nope, just the good ol' default one in ubuntu :)
[22:54] <Laki_> nacc: this machine is literally all default other than having docker installed and that's it, so... yea hah
[22:54] <greatgatsby> maybe a change in 18.04?
[22:54] <Laki_> perhaps, though nacc was testing on 18.04 too?
[22:55] <Laki_> i think the awk devs need to sort their program out is all imma say, no -h or --help options, blahg
[22:55] <Laki_> it does have a man page though thankfully
[22:55] <greatgatsby> Laki_: when you "man awk", is it gawk or mawk?
[22:56] <Laki_> greatgatsby: Mawk
[22:56] <greatgatsby> ok - interesting.  Anyway, glad it's working for you either way.  Good night all.
[22:56] <Laki_> greatgatsby: thanks again! Goodnight! :)
[22:57]  * HackerII can hear everyone scratching their heads
[22:57] <Laki_> I think that's the steam coming off as we all cool back down
[22:57] <pavlos> Laki_: https://imgur.com/a/1YHnX0O
[22:58] <Laki_> pavlos: awk --version isn't even an option for me, so yea, awk's abit inconsistent to say the absolute least. xd
[22:58] <nacc> Laki_: oh you're using *mawk*?
[22:58] <nacc> Laki_: i thought you said earlier gawk, sorry -- use gawk.
[22:59] <Laki_> nacc: apparantly so, there's mawk, gawk, awk, and who knows what else, im sure having a variety of versions with different commands and hiding the prefixes away makes it 100x less confusing as we've found out
[22:59] <Laki_> good decision by the devs there I'm sure lol
[22:59] <nacc> Laki_: there are good reasons for doing it. I'm fairly sure you had to choose to install mawk manually.
[23:00] <nacc> and/or make the default mawk, i mean
[23:00] <Laki_> nacc: nope, never even heard of awk until tonight, ubuntu let me use awk without installing anything
[23:01] <nacc> Laki_: did you extract your example from `man awk`?
[23:01] <Laki_> this machine is only 5 days old and I can assure you i've not installed anything other than docker, xvbf, and libs for teamspeak
[23:01] <nacc> Laki_: it's only in `man gawk`, not in `man mawk`
[23:01] <nacc> which implies mawk is probably not POSIX compliant by default
[23:01] <Laki_> nacc: no entry for man gawk, only awk which says its gawk
[23:01] <nacc> Laki_: you just said awk was mawk?
[23:02] <Laki_> oh yea, mawk sorry
[23:02] <Laki_> see how easy and not confusing this is already lol?
[23:02] <nacc> Laki_: awk is a programming language
[23:02] <nacc> Laki_: there are multiple implementations, you can choose whichever one you want
[23:02] <Laki_> anyway, we've sorted it now, I pray i never have to touch it again
[23:03] <pavlos> Laki_: whereis awk
[23:03] <pavlos> Laki_: /usr/bin
[23:03] <Laki_> pavlos: yea /usr/bin
[23:03] <nacc> pavlos: fwiw, awk is an alternatives-provided binary
[23:04] <nacc> `update-alternatives --display awk` is probably the easiest thing to use
[23:05] <Laki_> yea, s'all good now, I'll know for next time, but thank you guys for going full on at this, your time is appreciated. :) nacc pavlos
[23:06] <Laki_> I'm going to get a nice cold drink and take a break from linux for 5 minutes, 12am here in the uk haha
[23:17] <spotter> anyone know how to run a for loop over ssh (i.e. on the remote side. I'm tearing out my hair trying to figure out how
[23:17] <spotter> i.e. this shell snippet works fine locally, but can't figure out how to run it on a remote system via ssh
[23:18] <spotter> for i in `systemctl list-units | awk '{print $1}' | grep .service`; do echo $i; done
[23:18] <nacc> spotter: ssh bash -c "..."
[23:18] <nacc> well, ssh <host> bash -c "..."
[23:19] <nacc> spotter: also, why are you grepping and echoing? you don't need the loop, do you ?
[23:22] <spotter> I tried
[23:22] <spotter> the echo is simplified
[23:23] <nacc> spotter: pretty sure you just want `ssh <host> bash -c "systemctl --no-legend --type=service list-units | awk '{print $1;}'"
[23:23] <spotter> its more like echo "$i:" ; systemctl cat $i | head -1
[23:23] <spotter> i.e. unit name and file
[23:23] <spotter> as need that for generated units that are symlinked to a template file
[23:24] <spotter> echo -n $i: ; systemctl cat $i | head -1 to be more exact
[23:24] <nacc> ok, you can keep the for loop if you want, but the the above is still better (don't grep out services, just only ask for services)
[23:24] <spotter> agreed
[23:24] <spotter> just can't figure out how to run a for loop remotely
[23:25] <nacc> spotter: bash -c, as I said
[23:25] <nacc> spotter: start a shell, which is what actually is running the for loop
[23:26] <spotter> the issue is the variables
[23:26] <pavlos> spotter: ssh USER@HOST bash -c "  systemctl list-units | awk '/.service/ {print $1}'   "
[23:27] <nacc> spotter: what variables?
[23:27] <nacc> spotter: did you actually try what I said?
[23:27] <spotter> I'm trying it now
[23:28] <spotter> the loop variable
[23:28] <nacc> the type of parentheses may matter too, e.g., i'd prefer bash -c ' ... ' so that the local shell does not interpret the string
[23:28] <nacc> s/parentheses/quotes/
[23:29] <spotter> yes
[23:29] <spotter> so, I've tried it
[23:30] <spotter> and for whatever reason the options to systmctl are being ignored when passed to /bin/sh -c
[23:30] <spotter> i.e.
[23:30] <nacc> not /bin/sh!
[23:30] <spotter> tried both
[23:30] <spotter> sh and bash
[23:30] <nacc> spotter: pastebin the exact command and output.
[23:30] <spotter> let me login to another irc session, this is over vnc, too painful to copy things in
[23:33] <spotter_> example: ssh user@host "systemctl --no-legend --type service --state running | awk '{print \$1;}'" works as expected
[23:33] <spotter_> but add in a /bin/bash -c after the host, and it doesn't
[23:36] <nacc> spotter: plese please use a pastebin.
[23:36] <nacc> spotter: with exact commands and outputs
[23:45] <spotter_> https://pastebin.com/zr8ZQsNY
[23:47] <nacc> spotter: fyi, systemctl --no-legend (not -no-legend)
[23:48] <transhuman> hi can anyone recommend a gui program that is good at zooming video kdenlive and openshot leave something to be desired in this area, thanks
[23:48] <spotter_> yes
[23:48] <spotter_> fixed that
[23:48] <spotter_> i.e. /bin/bash -c 'for i in `systemctl --no-legend --type service --state running | cut -f 1 -d " "`;  do echo -n $i: ; systemctl cat $i |head -1 | cut -f 2 -d " "; done' works fine
[23:49] <spotter_> ssh user@host /bin/bash -c 'for i in `systemctl --no-legend --type service --state running | cut -f 1 -d " "`;  do echo -n $i: ; systemctl cat $i |head -1 | cut -f 2 -d " "; done' fails with a syntax error
[23:49] <transhuman> I basically want to take about 50 frames and repeat them like 50 times only showing half zoomed in
[23:50] <toor_> hi
[23:51] <toor_> hi
[23:54] <spotter_> nacc, https://pastebin.com/pbvTWV45 updated pastebin with 2 commands I've run
[23:58] <spotter_> nacc, got this to work ssh user@host 'UNITS=`systemctl --no-legend --type service --state running | cut -f 1 -d " "`; for i in $UNITS; do echo -n $i:; systemctl cat $i |head -1 |cut -f 2 -d " "; done'
[23:59] <spotter_> but add a /bin/sh or /bin/bash -c to it and it fails as systemctl doesn't obey the --no-legend
[23:59] <spotter_> or any of the other filters


[06:29] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:27] <diplo> Morning all
[07:32] <knightwise> hey diplo
[08:43] <awilkins>  German Basketball team relegated to lower league by Windows Updates : https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=15/04/07/2051229
[08:44] <awilkins> I see a market for RasPi powered basketball scoreboards emerging in Germany
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Indeed. A salient lesson in why "Autocratic Updates" should be disabled on production systems, and that laptop was a production system.
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> We lost access to source control for 2 days becuase of an auto-update to ActiveDirectory.
[08:46]  * TwistedLucidity was not a happy camper
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D
[09:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <popey> oooh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/09/holborn_fire_outage_could_have_covered_200m_jewelry_heist_says_excopper/
[09:50] <Lemongrab-> hi. using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the changes do not take effect. anyone know anything that might help?
[09:51] <Lemongrab-> so to clarify, any customised settings revert on restart
[09:56] <Lemongrab-> here's the xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/iupYhprU - does it look ok to you? all i want is to set res to 1360x768
[10:05] <directhex> these settings are unacceptable!
[10:05] <directhex> sorry
[10:05] <directhex> ehm... would need to see xorg.0.log to make any determination
[10:06] <directhex> depending on the age of the TV, samsung may have only provided 1024x768 in the data stream about valid video modes (EDID) which is what the driver is trying to match against
[10:06] <diplo> Anyone here self employed, just had a customer ask about using any other accountancy software apart from Sage? Asked me for recommendations, I have no idea... his accountant has recommended some 'cloud' based ones
[10:08] <Lemongrab-> directhex, the res sets fine, it just doesn't save any settings changes
[10:09] <Lemongrab-> directhex, http://pastebin.com/c1ng0hr5
[10:12] <directhex> Lemongrab-: and you've manually set the res after about 4 minutes, because it was wrong?
[10:12] <Lemongrab->  directhex, within a few mins yeah
[10:13] <Lemongrab-> weird right?
[10:14] <directhex> i can see that, on line 367
[10:14] <directhex> i can see the res being set wrong on line 355
[10:15] <Lemongrab-> yup
[10:15] <directhex> but
[10:16] <directhex> it should be set right on line 130
[10:16] <Lemongrab-> what's NVIDIA(0) anyway?
[10:17] <directhex> those lines are logged by the nvidia driver itself
[10:17] <Lemongrab-> yeah NVIDIA(0) seems to change it again on 355 right?
[10:17] <Lemongrab-> so some other process must be changing it
[10:19] <directhex> you're connected via a VGA connector, or a DVI-VGA dongle?
[10:20] <Lemongrab-> dvi -> hdmi
[10:20] <Lemongrab-> if i could disable nvidia-auto-select it might help
[10:20] <directhex> er wait, what?
[10:21] <Lemongrab-> nvidia-auto-select is what appears to be overriding my settings at line 355
[10:21] <directhex> that's the fallback
[10:21] <Lemongrab-> even though it's not specified in the xorg.conf
[10:21] <directhex> Option         "nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-0"
[10:22] <directhex> CRT-0 is the VGA connector
[10:22] <Lemongrab-> ok...
[10:23] <directhex> delete that line, and change the metamode line to DPY-0:1360x768+0+0
[10:24] <Lemongrab-> Option         "metamodes" "DPY-0:1360x768+0+0" <-- like that?
[10:25] <directhex> yeah
[10:27] <Lemongrab-> ok, rebooting, brb :)
[10:29] <Lemongrab-> directhex, nope :(
[10:29] <directhex> odd. can i see the new log?
[10:29] <Lemongrab-> sure
[10:30] <Lemongrab-> directhex, http://pastebin.com/5xcbvGut
[10:32] <directhex> try DVI-I-0: instead of DPY-0: ?
[10:32] <Lemongrab-> ok trying
[10:34] <Lemongrab-> nope
[10:34] <directhex> ._.
[10:35] <Lemongrab-> http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ
[10:37] <Lemongrab-> i've tried reinstalling nvidia drivers, although this is a spanking new install
[10:38] <Lemongrab-> had no problems with this before the reinstall though
[10:38] <Lemongrab-> i guess i could try alternate nvidia drivers?
[10:38]  * davmor2 wraps JamesTait in bubble wrap
[10:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: Although I should probably wrap popey and MooDoo in bubble wrap as they are older even than me ;)
[10:41] <directhex> Lemongrab-: i don't see anything in the logs that tells me what's going wrong. sorry
[10:41] <Lemongrab-> :(
[10:41] <Lemongrab-> thanks for trying
[10:43] <popey> directhex: is there some way my son can play steam games that I've bought but not on my ID?
[10:43] <directhex> popey: yes.
[10:43] <popey> i.e. can I do some kind of "family" mode where his and my accounts are linked?
[10:44] <popey> ooh!
[10:44] <popey> how?
[10:44] <directhex> ok NOW you['re asking.
[10:44] <Lemongrab-> don't suppose anyone else has any idea? using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the res is set to max available instead of my choice. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/QmzxRBT9 Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ
[10:44] <directhex> popey: Steam, Settings, Family, Family Library Sharing
[10:44] <popey> ahhh!
[10:44] <popey> gets complicated when he has his own account on the pc
[10:45] <directhex> popey: basically, YOU log in on HIS computer to say "i am fine sharing on this computer"
[10:45] <directhex> by clicking "authorize this computer"
[10:45] <popey> right
[10:45] <popey> problem is it's one computer
[10:45] <popey> dont want to download all the games twice
[10:45] <directhex> that's fine too
[10:46] <directhex> hm
[10:46] <directhex> he has his own unix account?
[10:46] <popey> yes
[10:46] <popey> but I can put the games on a shared storage
[10:46] <directhex> ok. create a new steam library, via Settings/Downloads/Steam Library Folders
[10:47] <directhex> and give that folder a+rw
[10:48] <popey> win.
[10:48] <popey> thanks
[10:49] <davmor2> directhex: you know way too much about steam :)  nice advice though
[10:50] <Lemongrab-> directhex, it seems lightdm might be screwing with things
[10:50] <directhex> Lemongrab-: aha. amazing.
[10:51] <directhex> davmor2: http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous-junk/cedegahtml.png
[10:53] <directhex> yes, i had anime wallpapers, when i was 20. cringe, etc
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> i downloaded 1-2 pics of star trek enterprise to use as wallpapers back in days of bbses but never used them
[10:56] <directhex> i'm a much more mature man than i was aged 20. no more wallpapers of random anime girls.
[10:56] <directhex> now it's Adventure Time!
[10:56] <awilkins> Only very specific anime girls will do
[10:56] <knightwise> directhex: good to see things are improving
[10:57] <directhex> 2004 wallpaper: http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/desktop-screenshots/desktop-2004-11-23.png
[10:57] <directhex> 2015 wallpaper: http://www.cartoonnetwork.co.uk/sites/www.cartoonnetwork.co.uk/files/Henchman.jpg
[10:57] <directhex> i think it's better now.
[11:01] <davmor2> directhex: :)  nice
[11:02] <directhex> house currently has an adventure time naming scheme for computers, and CN have those nice episode title cards available at 1680x1050
[11:03] <directhex> although my desktop is deliberately not adventure time. it's a legacy computer i want gone
[11:08] <directhex> old desktop has http://gorillaz.com/images/xmas/xmas-22nd.gger4.jpg
[11:08] <directhex> which is basically hip-hop, and not remotely weeaboo
[11:13] <ali1234> did somebody say weeaboo?
[11:49] <daftykins> wow, inadyn is a horrible client to configure - for afraid.org
[11:49] <daftykins> (dynamic DNS)
[11:52] <diplo> ddclient not work for you daftykins ?
[11:53] <daftykins> not familiar with that one
[11:53] <daftykins> < Auctus> lol GTA5 PC is 7 DVDs <-- lol
[11:54] <diplo> That's the only one I knew of daftykins :)
[11:54] <popey> people buy games on DVD?
[11:54]  * popey clicks the "PRE-LOAD" button for GTA5 in steam
[11:54] <popey> "Disk space required: 62064 MB"
[11:55] <awilkins> Wowzer
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> of course i buy games on dvd.  will this movie dvd rip easy or is it going to take a few passes with different software?
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> 62gb? for a game? a downloadable (eventually) game
[11:56] <daftykins> yep such is the way today, before DLC ;)
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> wait for the patches...
[11:56] <daftykins> i've already 3/4 filled my xbox one's paltry 500GB HDD
[11:57] <daftykins> nah the console generation have been used for patch exercise :D
[11:58] <popey> http://www.tesco.com/direct/husky-stella-artois-beer-fridge/100-3809.prd?sc_cmp=tp4_aff_1018132
[11:58] <popey> bargain
[11:59] <daftykins> the guy i quoted is in New Zealand with really bad data caps btw, so Steam download isn't an option
[11:59] <awilkins> "Beer sold separately"
[11:59] <awilkins> Yet another case of an appliance costing less than it's liquid consumables
[12:00] <popey> they're usually over 100 quid
[12:15]  * awilkins pastes link to hackspace
[13:02] <diddledan> morning
[13:04]  * zmoylan-pi taps diddledan to see if his internal clock has stopped...
[13:04] <diddledan> morning
[13:04] <daftykins> heya
[13:04]  * awilkins checks timezone config on diddlebot
[13:05] <daftykins> diddledan: you ought to convert to standard living hours, it's getting warm outside! :D
[13:05] <diddledan> teehee
[13:05] <diddledan> but. sunlight is bad for my complexion
[13:07] <daftykins> you sir, have been misled
[13:07] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/922345933/codebug looks like a fun thing
[13:09] <diddledan> it looks like the bbc micro bit
[13:09] <diplo> Looks like I'm up in Nottingham next week :/
[13:10] <diddledan> I might back it tho
[13:10] <diddledan> specifically because they're gonna make the desin creative-commons
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> that is more interesting to me than a smart watch.  small, cheap, and you could technically use the leds as a display
[13:13] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: make it into a smart watch :-p
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> exactly.  bulky but probably a better battery life than an apple watch :-)
[13:15] <davmor2> diplo: I think MooDoo is up that way
[13:18] <awilkins> It is totally completely a rip-off of the BBC micro bit though
[13:18] <awilkins> Same board layout, same 5x5 LED array
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> is the bbc micro bit going to be for sale to the public?
[13:19] <awilkins> Different components
[13:19] <awilkins> No, the BBCMB is only being issued to schoolchildren
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> then it's not really affecting the bbcmb
[13:19] <awilkins> Which seems ludicrously silly, but there you go - why not benefit from the economies of scale  AND make a small profit from licensing the thing...
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> and the hacker community of adults will make a zillion great projects that might encourage kids
[13:20] <awilkins> I'd lay small odds that the Kickstarter has been created by the guys they commissioned to make the BBC one
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> instead of a dull school led curriculum
[13:20] <awilkins> Probably
[13:20] <awilkins> I'm all for it - my license fee paid for it, the public should benefit!
[13:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:30] <diddledan> tesco blinkbox are being awesome giving me at least one 25% or 50% discount every month since I signed up
[13:32] <diddledan> and googley play-doh just emailed me letting me know that startwarts is available for preorder (the entire saga)
[13:32] <diddledan> £59 for the lot
[13:33] <diddledan> released tomorrow it seems
[13:33] <awilkins> That's not Star Wars. That's just a bunch of movies that resemble Star Wars
[13:33] <diddledan> awilkins: are you upset that they redid the effects?
[13:34] <awilkins> diddledan, Don't mind the effects (except where the make mistakes like making Luke's lightsabre pink in some editions)
[13:34] <awilkins> diddledan, I do mind things like the Han Shoots First scene
[13:34] <diddledan> aah yes
[13:34] <awilkins> And the scene where Han walks behind Jabba
[13:35] <diddledan> han shoots first was a stinker
[13:35] <awilkins> The notion that you could disrespect a local crime lord by walking on his tail and live is nutsen, to coin a phrase
[13:35] <bigcalm> I have a hosted server running Ubuntu 12.04. For reasons, I have edited /etc/apache2/ports.conf to use 8080 and 1443 instead of 80 and 443. On the localhost, I am able to telnet to ports 8080 and 1433 and get the expected Aapche response. Connecting from a machine on the same subnet using the private IP address causes the connections to timeout. Connections also timeout when using the public ip address over the internet. Is there an
[13:35] <bigcalm> ything other than the hosting company's firewall that might be causing this timout?
[13:36] <awilkins> The Greedo scene really set the tone of Han's character for me - it's the scene I remember having the biggest emotional impact as a kid seeing it for the first time
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: but who shot first?
[13:36] <bigcalm> Han did
[13:36] <knightwi1e> so han is an A-hole ?
[13:36] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, That was the original release, on a stuttery VHS cassette in a school assembly hall :-)
[13:36] <bigcalm> He is an arse hole, that scene sets his character
[13:37] <awilkins> Exactly - tells you exactly what you need to know, that he doesn't pull his punches and can't be trusted
[13:37] <diddledan> it's that which lends to his character development into reluctant hero
[13:37] <bigcalm> When Han is lowered into the carbonite freezing chamber and Leia says "I love you", his response is "I know".  You're *supposed* to have a negative reaction to it, George. You're *supposed* to go "whoa, that guys is kinda nasty"
[13:40] <diplo> bigcalm: nmap'd the external IP address, see whats listening?
[13:40] <knightwi1e> I only watch the VHS versions
[13:40] <diplo> Sounds like firewall rules to me ?
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> i hope you remember to rewind afterwards... even the avi ripped version of the vhs copy...
[13:41] <knightwi1e> LOL
[13:41] <diddledan> awilkins: how many recuts does it take to make a great movie into a piece of trash and then finally into a great movie again? (see: blade runner, which is on it's 4th? 5th? recut and hasn't made it back to great yet)
[13:42] <awilkins> diddledan, Not sure that continued recuts can ever get it back there... (the Blade Runner for me is the 1st Directors Edition without the voiceovers)
[13:42] <diddledan> yeah the first directors was the version I enjoyed the most
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> aliens has 1-2 cuts, i like the version with the sentry guns
[13:43] <diddledan> you can't beat the music to blade runner tho
[13:43] <awilkins> Yup, sentryguns 4tw
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> well vangelis... any movie his music is in is special
[13:43] <awilkins> And Vangelis is still a regular visitor to my playlist
[13:44] <diddledan> I think the tone of the blade runner movie exteriours with the music shows a really interesting view of "the potential future"
[13:45] <bigcalm> diplo: it's been passed back to the hosting company to look into
[13:45] <diddledan> and the fact it's always raining
[13:45] <knightwi1e> i think its one of the greatest soundtracks only
[13:45] <knightwi1e> and i love the atmosphere in that movie
[13:45] <awilkins> Wonder how horrible the sequel will be
[13:45] <diddledan> bigcalm: did you tell it to stop listening on non-localhost?
[13:46] <diddledan> bigcalm: you mentioned you tweaked the ports for localhost, so I assumed that meant you removed the ports for external
[13:46] <bigcalm> diddledan: I didn't change what it was listening on. The system was previously serving correctly on ports 80 and 443. I just changed them to be 8080 and 1433
[13:46] <diddledan> hmm
[13:46] <bigcalm> No, only localhost was able to connect to 8080 and 1433.
[14:17] <intrbiz> bigcalm: does the apache box have a local firewall, maybe try: ufw status ?
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's only listening on <IP_ADDRESS> and.or ::1
[14:18] <intrbiz> netstat -nltp will show whats listening on what interfaces
[14:18] <bigcalm> root@GRU01HES01TEST:~# ufw status
[14:18] <bigcalm> Status: inactive
[14:19] <intrbiz> IIRC apache by default binds to all interfaces
[14:19] <bigcalm> That would explain why I couldn't find a setting binding it to an interface or ip address
[14:20] <bigcalm> root@GRU01HES01TEST:~# netstat -nltp | grep apache2
[14:20] <bigcalm> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:1443            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      2161/apache2
[14:20] <bigcalm> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:8080            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      2161/apache2
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: that listening on all interfaces
[14:20] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: probably hosting ACLs, did you say your seeing the issues server to server on same subnet?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: iptables -L INPUT
[14:21] <bigcalm> intrbiz: correct
[14:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: no rules returned
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: telnet -b your.ip your.ip 1443
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> (yes that's your IP twice)
[14:23] <bigcalm> Which IP?
[14:24] <Myrtti> I do hate Paypal quite a bit
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> has anyone ever expressed happiness towards paypal?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to get Ruby to play nicely in Ubuntu?
[14:27] <intrbiz> bigcalm: define play nicely?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Or rather install Jekyll
[14:28] <bigcalm> It's erroring on "execjs requires Ruby version >= 2.0.0."
[14:28] <bigcalm> Humm, ruby2.0 is available as a package on Ubuntu 14.04
[14:30] <intrbiz> bigcalm: are you installing jekyll via gem (or whatever it is)
[14:30] <bigcalm> Yes
[14:32] <bigcalm> Ha, there is a jekyll package in Ubuntu 14.04
[14:33]  * bigcalm goes with that
[14:33] <bigcalm> Jekyll 0.11.2 now installed
[14:37] <Lemongrab-> directhex, res working now, thanks again for the help
[14:38] <directhex> jekyll <2.0 is basically garbage
[14:38] <directhex> and installing newer in 14.04 is so painful
[14:38] <directhex> so totes painful
[14:39] <Lemongrab-> anyone know where i can see logs from openbox's autostart.sh? steam is loading fine but sixad --start isn't
[14:39] <Lemongrab-> even though sixad --start runs fine from terminal
[14:40] <Lemongrab-> oh wait, i just worked it out, sixad needs to be root, nevermind
[14:54] <bigcalm> Are there good alternatives to jekyll? Requirement is to build a static site from markdown files
[14:56] <Lemongrab-> anyone know if it's possible to switch desktop in openbox when certain fullscreen games wrest control of the screen until minimised?
[14:59] <Lemongrab-> i'm actually guessing this is to do with the card wresting the screen and probably isn't possible, but thought i'd ask
[15:03] <daftykins> between virtual desktops?
[15:04] <Lemongrab-> daftykins, yup
[15:05] <daftykins> doesn't seem likely, but i'm no desktop user
[15:06] <mappps> ;D
[15:06] <Lemongrab-> daftykins, you mean you don't even use a gui? :P
[15:06] <daftykins> i do not use desktop Linux
[15:06] <mappps> im a card collector! got like 12 bank/credit card accounts O_O
[15:06] <mappps> cant remember the pin on all of course
[15:07] <Lemongrab-> ah, for a second i thought you were some radical terminal purist :)
[15:07] <mappps> i like xfce;]
[15:09] <daftykins> nah i wouldn't make such silly statements!
[15:19] <mappps> gonna have marinated shark tonight
[15:19] <mappps> ;D
[15:20] <daftykins> O_O
[15:20] <daftykins> tasty
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> comes with a free laser? :-)
[15:22] <mappps> ;D
[15:22] <mappps> well i wonder what its like
[15:22] <mappps> probably just like cod and a let down?:P
[15:22] <daftykins> do all basic BT broadband connections really intercept the web browsings of newly wired-network connected PCs 0o
[15:23] <daftykins> this friend just had to do some kind of hassle before browsing normally, very confusing
[15:26] <elfy> I never had to - but I've been with them a while, maybe the do you or do you not want pr0n thing?
[15:27] <daftykins> could well be
[15:28] <elfy> I did get asked that a while ago
[15:28] <daftykins> currently remoted into two PCs at a friends in England migrating their data to a new PC
[15:28] <daftykins> omw their existing is terrible, probably partly to do with Norton 360 O_O
[15:29] <elfy> heh
[15:29] <daftykins> also - why do people believe their online banking when it says to install Rapport? it's terrible!
[15:30] <daftykins> hmm a good 6Mb down, not bad for a rural place
[15:31] <zmoylan-pi> how 'rural' is rural?
[15:31] <daftykins> best i know about where she is is 'somewhere near Worcester'
[15:31] <daftykins> so your guess is better than mine ;D
[15:31] <elfy> not very I'd guess at 6Mb :)
[15:31] <intrbiz> I get about 7Mb, in a rural area
[15:32] <intrbiz> by rural, I mean 6 miles out of Wolverhampton centre
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> my brothers place is in the barren wastelands of wexford and most times i'm there i can't even see a 3g signal during the day
[15:32] <intrbiz> I get no 3G on any network
[15:32] <daftykins> i'm in a granite place in the town centre, i use 2G by choice :D
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> but at night the 3g appears as conditions improve
[15:33] <daftykins> such are the ways of QAM
[15:33] <intrbiz> well I get one bar on three, standing on one leg by one particular window
[15:33] <daftykins> intrbiz: :D
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> so i told him to ring phone company once a month and ask for broadband.  took about 18 months till adsl was installed in his local exchange :-)
[15:34] <elfy> when I lived in Fordingbridge - signal only when bouncing on a bed and then only half the time
[15:34] <intrbiz> we were meant to have FTTC in december, then april, now june
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> and on dialup he used to only get 28kbs as his line was on a dax unit with neighbours
[15:34] <intrbiz> I have seen BT vans with reels of cable, so something seems to be happening
[15:35] <elfy> they did here, I get 38Mb down now
[15:36] <daftykins> single pair split into two lines with some gadget, zmoylan-pi ?
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[15:36] <daftykins> how horrid
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> the irish phone companies only say that your dial up line will do voice and fax.  fax works in 19,200 iirc
[15:38] <diddledan> is there a tool like speedtest.net (or the cli prog that uses those servers) which will measure parallel downloads and uploads rather than single-connection?
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> bittorrent? :-P
[15:39] <daftykins> why would you be doing that...
[15:39] <daftykins> eww it's a BT Home Hub 4
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> is that the one that won't let you change dns server?
[15:40] <diddledan> because I want to show off that my connection is about 230Mbps down and 30Mbps up
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> show off!
[15:40] <daftykins> aww i can't even look because the 'settings' page is locked by a password that's printed on the physical device
[15:40] <diddledan> (1*virgin 152Mbps/10Mbps + 1*sky 78Mbps/20Mbps :-p)
[15:41] <diddledan> daftykins: you need to change that password to something more memorablethen :-p
[15:41] <daftykins> it's a house in England! not mine :P
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> send in the drone to read the password! \o/
[15:42]  * daftykins activates webcam
[15:42] <daftykins> ;D
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of pi2 based skutter... :-)
[15:43] <diddledan> daftykins: remember covering the camera with your hand doesn't turn off the microphone (as bruce & his willis found out)
[15:43] <daftykins> i'm quite amused at a home shared PC being upgraded from a small form factor Acer i3 first gen to an HP with 8GB RAM and an i7 4790
[15:43] <diddledan> 8GB is so passé
[15:44] <diddledan> I want 32
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> what you want is a sound proof jamjar with one of those christmas cards that plays 30 christmas carols feeding into the mic :-)
[15:44] <daftykins> that's what my 7 year old core 2 quad has \o/ lovely DDR2
[15:44] <awilkins> Work laptop has 16GB
[15:44] <diddledan> this thing only has 4 :-(
[15:45] <diddledan> but it's ultra-portable so it kinda makes up for that deficiency in other ways
[15:45] <daftykins> sounds dangerously like a piece of fruit of the 'Air' variety?
[15:45] <diddledan> close, surface pro3
[15:46] <daftykins> oh that
[15:46] <diddledan> I like it
[15:46] <daftykins> shame you have to go in through the screen to upgrade :<
[15:47] <diddledan> right. toilet break then settle down to watch the amazon aws global summit keynote
[15:47] <diddledan> https://live.awsevents.com for anyone interested
[15:49] <diddledan> oh, they'vepushed-it by 30 minutes, it's 1730 then
[16:58] <diddledan> so this live stream of aws global summit is evil laggy
[16:58] <diddledan> I donno whether it's me or them tho
[17:00] <elfy> laggy
[17:01] <diddledan> yeah, it seems the twitters are moaning about it
[17:02] <diddledan> one twatted "BaaS (Buffering as a service) on the AWS Summit live stream"
[17:06] <diddledan> it's completely dead now
[17:24] <diddledan> don't you love how amazon are boasting their supremacy at super-big things on a stream that doesn't work. at all.
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> well the cloud... in this weather... :-)
[17:25]  * zmoylan-pi sends out for ice cream...
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> ♫ just one cornetto... ♪
[17:27] <popey> ✓ Unicode
[17:28] <diddledan> the aws summits twitter says the stream is working. they're lying
[17:28] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: give it to me!
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> on second thoughts they're 50p....
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> at least they used to be
[17:34] <daftykins> be lucky to get change from a £5 note now :P
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland? you'd be right there :-)
[17:35] <daftykins> ;)
[17:35] <daftykins> a Guernsey £5 note no less
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> ah... funny money... :-)
[17:36] <daftykins> aww yes
[19:53] <davmor2> popey: I think I found my new most favourite place to eat in wolverhampton http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz_photos/greedy-pig-cafe-wolverhampton?select=thplx_sv7KQx6nhgbG3BKg#thplx_sv7KQx6nhgbG3BKg
[19:55] <popey> wowzers
[19:56] <davmor2> popey: you can feel your arteries harden looking at it right :D
[19:57] <davmor2> popey: the things you find on the nearby scope hey
[19:58] <popey> hah
[20:03] <diddledan> that looks like a great fryup
[20:04] <diddledan> I WANT IT!
[20:13] <diddledan> heh:http://www.instructables.com/id/Apple-II-Watch
[20:22] <m0nkey_> make it
[20:31] <StevenR> hmmm. what happened to the alternate cd? (I need to help my dad assemble a raid, mount his LVM and find all of the kernels because grub is in rescue mode and /boot appears to be entirely empty
[20:32] <StevenR> he's running 14.04 and updated today
[20:33] <popey> can you not use a live cd?
[20:34] <StevenR> I'd prefer to boot his working system
[20:34] <StevenR> because it'll run a VPN up and I can ssh to a vm
[20:35] <popey> why do you need the alternate cd?
[20:35] <StevenR> popey: because that was the way to do it
[20:36] <StevenR> can that be done from the normal server cd these days?
[20:36] <popey> yeah. you can.
[20:36] <popey> the server cd is a debian-installer based one
[20:37] <StevenR> ok. I'll get him to grab that. Thanks
[20:37] <popey> np
[20:41] <diddledan> me ungy
[20:42]  * diddledan wanders off to make a sammich
[21:26] <diddledan> lol @ news widget: "labour takes lead in some polls as milliband announces tax avoidance"
[21:30] <daftykins> RAID is so much saner when you keep boot out of it ;)
[21:36] <diddledan> you could plop raid onto a mirror rather than a stripe (if we're talking linux's mdraid)
[21:36] <diddledan> s/raid/boot/
[22:28] <StevenR> right. So something happened to /boot. It now mounts, but it's completely empty apart from lost and found
[22:28] <StevenR> How do I restore it?
[22:45] <diddledan> StevenR: it's a three-step process - first you need to get a kernel by reinstalling the appropriate package from apt, then you need to run grub-install and update-grub
[22:46] <StevenR> thanks. We need to fix apt first it seems (dad is sending me a photo)
[22:46] <diddledan> eww
[22:47] <StevenR> yeah. Something bad happened
[22:48] <StevenR> yay. Apt segfaults
[22:49] <StevenR> right. That's a problem for tomorrow


[00:37] <tgm4883> nooneami, enable it an upgrade?
[00:42] <nooneami> tgm4883: I could do that, but checking to see if anyone has had good/bad experiences with moving to it yet. Since it is still pre-release.
[01:13] <tgm4883> nooneami, not sure, I'm not on it
[03:44] <dekarl_afk> nooneami: if you have to ask that it's better to stay away from master until it's released... It's broken / fixed on and off so you have to watch closely when to upgrade and can gain/lose various functions anytime.
[15:38] <qwebirc18515> #mythtv-users
[16:43] <louisdk> Hi. I've reported a bug 2 months ago (814105) however nobody has reacted on it yet. How can I get someone to look at it? It would be nice if is was fixed before the release of Mythbuntu 11.10.
[16:46] <tgm4883> louisdk, hmm, that looks like it might be a mythtv bug, but I don't know enough about that feature to diagnose
[17:07] <louisdk> I'll install Mythtv under Debian testing and see how mythnetvision works there.
[17:08] <tgm4883> louisdk, ok, I've attempted asking in #mythtv-users, but haven't gotten a response
[17:24] <louisdk> togm4883, Okey. Thanks.
[23:29] <Onigiri> Is there some way with the livecd to determine if my receiver with a firewire port is going to work before I install the os on the machine?
[23:29] <Onigiri> Since I'd rather not buy an extra hard drive just to see if it will work.


[16:39] <Pici> updated
[16:41] <pleia2> thank you
[16:47] <pleia2> sorry about that :) noticed an omission
[16:47] <Pici> updated again :)
[16:48] <Myrtti> come on pleia2, keep up ;-)
[16:48] <pleia2> hehe
[16:48] <pleia2> now I know how to edit factoids, you're all in trouble
[16:48] <Myrtti> uhoh


[08:00] <Fudge> so guessing that the server image wont quite fit on a cd?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:38] <bittin> Hi
[12:39] <BluesKaj> hi bittin
[13:20] <scellow> Hey guys, i'm using ubuntu 16.04, i installed unity8, but when i try to login i get "autentification failure" error, is there something special to  do?
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> scellow: some stuff needs to be installed like mir also
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> scellow: not sure how i did last time
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> !find mir
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> scellow: http://news.softpedia.com/news/how-to-install-unity-8-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts-and-ubuntu-15-10-496949.shtml
[13:47] <scellow> i already install the unity8-desktop-session-mir package
[13:47] <scellow> lotuspsychje: do i need to manually install all these packages ? 0o
[13:47] <scellow> shouldn't unity8-desktop-session-mir install everything needed already ?
[13:58] <scellow> ok i checked the auth.log, there was some mention of a lib missing pam_kwallet, i installed it: libkf5wallet5, but still same issue :/ here is the log https://gist.github.com/Scellow/80d66844ad8746b4dd3f
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> scellow: not sure what to make of it..this is regular ubuntu desktop 16.04?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> !info rawtherapee xenial
[16:08] <scellow> lotuspsychje: sorry for late reply i was afk, it's ubuntu desktop 16.04 (daily image), latest update, proprietary nvidia driver (GTX 960)
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> scellow: not sorry, right graphics driver got installed?
[16:38] <scellow> lotuspsychje: i guess it is:
[16:38] <scellow> ➜  ~ lspci -k | grep -A 2 -i "VGA"
[16:38] <scellow> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] (rev a1)
[16:38] <scellow> 	Subsystem: CardExpert Technology GM206 [GeForce GTX 960]
[16:38] <scellow> 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> scellow: can you check additional drivers please?
[16:41] <scellow> what do you mean by additional drivers? should i try with open source driver?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> scellow: can you check wich driver active
[16:44] <scellow> lotuspsychje: i'm not sure if it's the right way to check: https://gist.github.com/Scellow/0c4966866a88189ffc23
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> scellow: well best see additional drivers section itself (hardware icon)
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> to see wich nvidia- version is active
[16:46] <scellow> NVIDIA binary driver is checked
[16:46] <scellow> nvidia-352-update
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> ok
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> think might be good working driver
[16:47] <scellow> games like dota2 or cs:go are runing great
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> scellow: ok then its probably not related to unity8
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> scellow: not sure on this one mate sorry
[16:47] <scellow> it's ok
[16:47] <scellow> thanks for your time
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> np
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> scellow: you could try this way: http://news.softpedia.com/news/You-Can-Now-Install-and-Test-Unity-8-and-Mir-in-Any-Supported-Ubuntu-OS-483206.shtml
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> scellow: you could also try with opensource drivers, see if it makes any difference
[19:16] <Volkodav> Does anyone have have CPU going nuts to a 100% and stays there - task manager is no help
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> Volkodav: did you try htop whats going high 100%?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Volkodav, check in system monitor for the process that's using it up
[19:20] <Volkodav> Does not show anything relevant
[19:21] <Volkodav> I rebooted and will add one program after another to catch it
[19:21] <Volkodav> 3 days in a row it happens
[19:27] <ChibaPet> So, sadly, I can't automatically upload my vlc crash because there's no debugging symbol package for nvidia-352. Sigh.
[19:27] <ChibaPet> I'll have to try it another way.
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: ubuntu-bug vlc ?
[19:28] <ChibaPet> I'd have to imagine that some reasonable percentage of users will be using vlc or xine on newish nVidia hardware.
[19:30] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: Looking. I pointed the tool in question to my /var/crash file.
[19:30] <ChibaPet> That said, I want to double-check before saying it was ubunbu-bug.
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: did you also try 352-updates ?
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: some users have good experiences with it
[19:31] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: No. It wasn't clear to me just what's different.
[19:31] <ChibaPet> I'll certainly try it tonight.
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: optimus card?
[19:31] <ChibaPet> I did try reverting to 340, and that *didn't* crash. But it was mostly unusable for some other reason I'll have to chase down.
[19:31] <ChibaPet> No, desktop with a GTX 660.
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> ok
[19:32] <ChibaPet> Under 340, vlc would stutter badly while playing my test DVD. Did the same with a vobcopy-generated equivalent.
[19:33] <ChibaPet> The interesting bit is that I have another box with a slightly older Xeon, also running Xenial and nVidia 340, that has no problem using xine *or* vlc. Also interesting, mplayer can do the DVD or ripped equivalent without blinking.
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> weird
[19:34] <ChibaPet> Mm. So, I'm not hosed - I can watch media with mplayer - but I'm going to try to gather more information. It would be nice to have this resolved.
[19:34] <Volkodav> BluesKaj: It's Firefox or rather some plug-in - most likely evil Flash
[19:35] <ChibaPet> The Ooh, we might be in luck. I haven't replaced the root shell environment on this new install, so I have a .bash_history going back beyond my testing. Seeing if I can find it.
[19:35] <ChibaPet> Hm, I didn't send it from a root shell. I'll find it anyway.
[19:41] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: I can't find the specific docs I used, but I believe I fed my crash file into apport-bug.
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> ok
[19:43] <ChibaPet> Anyway, work stuff to do, but I'll have another run at it tonight. In the meantime, I idle here and would be happy to receive pointers that might make my bug report more useful. I liked how much data the tool collected, but it was a shame it marked my ticket 'invalid' for lack of debugging symbols.
[20:29] <PryMar56> here's a systemd/udev/lvm2 bug<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is broken
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> PryMar56: can you file a bug?
[20:30] <PryMar56> this bug is common to stretch & xenial. *pvscan service needs ENV vars from a *rules file
[20:31] <PryMar56> they are missing. You can see the bug when doing: udevadm info --name=<some pv device>
[20:31] <PryMar56> lotuspsychje, I will file a bug when anybody confirms it. Nobody confirmed it yet
[20:34] <PryMar56> 69-lvm-metad.rules is involved
[21:25] <kernelpanic> Looking at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/alpha-2/, I cannot finda bootable ISO for amd64/uefi, only xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-uefi1.img. I tried converting that with ccd2iso, but that gives me a zero-byte file. How can I get a bootable iso?
[22:56] <ChibaPet> kernelpanic: Are you looking for a cloud image or an image for your UEFI hardware?
[22:57] <ChibaPet> kernelpanic: Either way, the server and desktop images will both do the right thing for UEFI hardware, including setting up stuff for SecureBoot. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:04] <kernelpanic> ChibaPet, spot-on, thank you very much!
[23:05] <ChibaPet> Happy to help.


[20:00] <rbasak> o/
[20:00] <sil2100> o/
[20:01] <mdeslaur> o/
[20:02]  * vorlon waves
[20:02] <mdeslaur> hi vorlon
[20:02] <sil2100> o/
[20:03] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: yo
[20:04] <vorlon> omg we're quorate
[20:04] <mdeslaur> \o/
[20:04] <vorlon> who would like to chair? :)
[20:04] <mdeslaur> I'll do it
[20:04] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 12 20:04:56 2021 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:05] <mdeslaur> [topic] Welcome
[20:05] <mdeslaur> welcome to the new members of the tech board!
[20:05] <vorlon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda btw
[20:06] <mdeslaur> [topic] Action review
[20:06] <mdeslaur> lots of stale stuff in there
[20:06] <sil2100> Wasn't sure if the agenda was up-to-date though - is it?
[20:06] <sil2100> Last update seems to be from almost a year ago
[20:07] <mdeslaur> yeah, sounds about right :)
[20:07] <mdeslaur> "vorlon to follow up w/ DMB on request to require 6-month expiry policy for flavor developer teams "
[20:07] <vorlon> huh
[20:07] <vorlon> did that happen? :)
[20:07] <vorlon> there are current/former members of the DMB here who might remember better than I
[20:07] <mdeslaur> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:08] <vorlon> if no one knows, then carry over :)
[20:08] <sil2100> Sadly I don't remember how that finally got resolved, hm, would have to dig a bit
[20:09] <mdeslaur> "Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns."
[20:09] <vorlon> I don't believe this ever happened
[20:09] <mdeslaur> yeah, I don't remember seeing that either
[20:09] <cyphermox> I'm here
[20:09] <mdeslaur> hi cyphermox
[20:09] <rbasak> 6-month expiry policy> IIRC it did get raised. I don't remember if it got completed
[20:10] <mdeslaur> Wimpress: is that something you are still going to address, or should someone else on the MATE team take it over?
[20:10] <mdeslaur> next on the list:
[20:11] <mdeslaur> "infinity to ask maas team to prepare SRU exception policy à la CurtinUpdates (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MAASUpdates) (awaiting response from rbasak)"
[20:11] <mdeslaur> rbasak: any idea on the status of that?
[20:11] <vorlon> I think that's obsolete now because maas has moved to a snap
[20:11] <mdeslaur> ok, perfect
[20:12] <mdeslaur> "vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance. "
[20:12] <mdeslaur> carry?
[20:12] <vorlon> hmm I think that's carry
[20:12] <mdeslaur> ack
[20:12] <mdeslaur> "vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list "
[20:13] <vorlon> uh
[20:13] <vorlon> carry, I guess, and then I'll go digging for context
[20:13] <mdeslaur> "vorlon to chase up what's needed for a new TB election to happen"
[20:13] <sil2100> Does this relate to the release team having upload rights to seeded snaps?
[20:13] <vorlon> DONE
[20:13] <vorlon> :)
[20:13] <mdeslaur> maybe I should leave that one there for next time :)
[20:13] <vorlon> sil2100: I don't recall, I'll have to go look at the archive
[20:13] <sil2100> Since I know this did pop up during a few release sprints and would be a most welcome feature
[20:14] <mdeslaur> "xnox to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which vorlon, infinity, and mdeslaur will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step ([2/3 subquorum required if one of us slacks, to avoid holding up the process])"
[20:14] <mdeslaur> o_O
[20:15] <vorlon> hum
[20:15] <cyphermox> wow
[20:15] <mdeslaur> did that oem ppa ever get enabled?
[20:15] <vorlon> yes
[20:15] <vorlon> the enablement work has happened in the installer, for 20.04 forward
[20:15] <vorlon> but I don't know if there was ever a formal write-up
[20:16] <mdeslaur> can someone volunteer to follow up with xnox and see if it has been documented?
[20:16] <mdeslaur> s/can/could/
[20:18] <mdeslaur> [ACTION] mdeslaur to follow up with xnox about OEM archive documentation
[20:18] <meetingology> ACTION: mdeslaur to follow up with xnox about OEM archive documentation
[20:19] <mdeslaur> did anyone have any other topics that weren't on the wiki agenda?
[20:19] <mdeslaur> [topic] Mailing list archive
[20:19] <sil2100> None for me, but it's my first!
[20:21] <mdeslaur> doesn't look like there's anything unaddressed in recent months on the mailing list
[20:21] <mdeslaur> perhaps this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2020-August/002510.html
[20:21] <rbasak> ddstreet: around?
[20:21] <mdeslaur> but I don't know if that was looked at or not
[20:21] <ddstreet> yes
[20:21] <rbasak> AFAICT from previous minutes, you sorted the flavour expiry intervals and also individual member expiries, right?
[20:21] <ddstreet> yep that should be done
[20:22] <rbasak> I couldn't find confirmation of the latter.
[20:22] <rbasak> Great. Thanks!
[20:22] <vorlon> so we can drop that carry-over? \o/
[20:22] <mdeslaur> \o/
[20:23] <mdeslaur> [ACTION] mdeslaur to follow up on xnox's track clarification post to the list from 2020-08-12
[20:23] <meetingology> ACTION: mdeslaur to follow up on xnox's track clarification post to the list from 2020-08-12
[20:24] <mdeslaur> [topic] Community bugs
[20:24] <mdeslaur> no bugs
[20:24] <mdeslaur> [topic] Next chair
[20:24] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: you're the next chair, with rbasak as backup
[20:25] <vorlon> amazing
[20:25] <vorlon> :)
[20:25] <cyphermox> sounds good
[20:25] <mdeslaur> (going down the membership list)
[20:25] <mdeslaur> [topic] AOB
[20:25] <cyphermox> do we have a template of stuff for the meeting?
[20:25] <cyphermox> or do you copy-paste from previous?
[20:25] <vorlon> the agenda wikipage is a rolling doc
[20:25] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss?
[20:26] <vorlon> does this meeting time work well for everyone?
[20:26] <vorlon> new TB, we should check
[20:26] <cyphermox> it works, I'm adding it to my calendar now
[20:26] <mdeslaur> ah, yes, good idea
[20:26] <rbasak> Mostly. I might be occupied now and then.
[20:26] <sil2100> Works for me
[20:28] <mdeslaur> ok, next meeting is on the 26th
[20:28] <mdeslaur> does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss?
[20:28] <vorlon> I just want to echo mdeslaur's welcome, I'm so glad to be working with you all :)
[20:28] <cyphermox> same! :)
[20:28] <sil2100> Same here!
[20:28] <sil2100> \o/
[20:29] <rbasak> Thanks!
[20:30] <mdeslaur> that's all folks, thanks everyone!
[20:30] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[20:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 12 20:30:22 2021 UTC.
[20:30] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2021/ubuntu-meeting-2.2021-01-12-20.04.moin.txt
[20:31] <sil2100> Thank you!
[20:33] <mdeslaur> You might want to subscribe to changes to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[20:34] <mdeslaur> and also subscribe to the mailing list, if not done already


[12:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[23:17] <Frank81> Hello my fans our Leader is back with new ISSUS
[23:17] <Frank81> :D
[23:17] <Frank81> he got following errors: Geparted don't finds current ntfs-3g installation installed both via packages
[23:17] <Frank81> some one can verify that ISSU PLZ?