[08:16] <AnAnt> BenC here ?
[08:17] <sn9> [09:32:52]  <BenC> ok, time to do some boot testing
[08:17] <sn9> [09:32:54]  <-- BenC has quit ("bbl")
[08:18] <sn9> not since then
[08:18] <AnAnt> sn9: what time is it now (according to you that is)
[08:18] <sn9> Tue Aug 29 23:18:53 PDT 2006
[08:19] <AnAnt> hmmm, that's many hours ago
[08:19] <sn9> yes
[08:19] <sn9> 14 hrs
[08:19] <AnAnt> anyone knows if he applied the ipw2200 inject patch ?
[08:20] <sn9> i don't know, but i would presume not until he says so
[08:20] <crimsun> what patch, what tree?
[08:20] <AnAnt> crimsun: err, what do you mean by tree ?
[08:21] <AnAnt> crimsun: a week or two ago, I sent him a patch that enables injection on IPW2200 cards
[08:22] <crimsun> AnAnt: what source tree is the patch targeted against?
[08:22] <crimsun> and what patch are you referring to?
[08:22] <AnAnt> crimsun: well, 2.6.17 I assume
[08:23] <AnAnt> crimsun: well, I sent him an emailing asking for 2 things: 1. update the ipw2200 driver to the latest version (1.1.3) that is available on http://ipw2200.sf.net
[08:24] <AnAnt> 2. applying a patch to that driver that enables injection , the patch is available at http://tv.latinsud.com/ipw2200/
[08:25] <AnAnt> crimsun: it patches ipw2200.c
[08:25] <crimsun> please don't asume
[08:25] <crimsun> assume, even
[08:25] <crimsun> did you ask him to apply it 2.6.15 or to 2.6.17?
[08:25] <crimsun> the trees that you ask him to apply it to affects the answer
[08:26] <sn9> i.e., he won't apply to .15, right?
[08:26] <AnAnt> well, I wasn't explicit about that when I asked him
[08:26] <crimsun> AnAnt: that doesn't help, I'm afraid
[08:26] <AnAnt> but when we were chatting I was refering to Edgy
[08:27] <AnAnt> hence, I meant 2.6.17
[08:27] <AnAnt> but I dunno if he understood it like that
[08:27] <AnAnt> lemme check the chat logs
[08:28] <crimsun> this is 2.6.17's: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=history;h=e202ae6a9c185b85f95309bf5513233db143d372;f=drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.c
[08:28] <AnAnt> yes, I didn't mention it in the email, but we were talking about 2.6.17 in the chat
[08:28] <AnAnt> ok
[08:28] <crimsun> answer's pretty definitive there.
[08:29] <crimsun> and this is 2.6.15's: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-dapper.git;a=history;h=54e90a8d2d90a3217f4022ca63546661852b0b45;f=drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.c
[08:29] <AnAnt> well, it doesn't seem he added it
[08:29] <crimsun> again, fairly definitive.
[08:30] <crimsun> if he has, he hasn't pushed the change. Please do state unequivocally which tree(s) to apply it to in the future. :)
[08:31] <AnAnt> sure
[08:31] <AnAnt> thanks
[12:56] <ivoks> there is a new version of driver for highpoint SATA controllers
[12:56] <ivoks> any chance of it getting into edgy? it supports rockertaid 1520
[12:57] <ivoks> i'll try to create a patch for edgy kernel source
[12:58] <zul> do you have a reference?
[12:58] <ivoks> http://www.highpoint-tech.com/BIOS%20+%20Driver/rr1520/Linux/hpt37x2-opensource-v2.1-0717.tgz
[12:58] <nigel_c> Evening guys.
[12:58] <ivoks> i didn't know there is one, untill i needed it :/
[12:58] <nigel_c> Anyone got any suggestions when it comes to gcompizthemer being unable to apply any themes?
[12:59] <nigel_c> I tried an strace, and nothing jumped out at me
[12:59] <nigel_c> And tried googling
[01:01] <ivoks> zul: it builds and works nicely; problems happens when you insmod older hpt driver while this one is allready in - RAID collapses and kernel doesn't boot :)
[01:04] <zul> shouldnt be too hard to include it open a bug in launchpad so we can track it
[01:04] <ivoks> zul: ok
[01:16] <ivoks> reported
[01:19] <zul> thanks
[01:20] <ivoks> no need for that :)
[01:22] <zul> ok im going to work then :)
[01:22] <nigel_c> Ah. Oops. Wrong channel. Sorry.
[03:24] <omeow> Hi.
[03:25] <omeow> The latest nvidia-glx for kubuntu edgy requires linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-6-386, will the k7 modules be available later or am I doing something wrong?
[03:26] <infinity> omeow: "apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` nvidia-glx"
[03:27] <infinity> omeow: You're running across an apt bug, that's all.  Smarter package managers (like aptitude or dselect) would resolve the path of least resistance for you.
[03:27] <omeow> I use adept.
[03:27] <omeow> Or well, try to use it anyway...
[03:27] <omeow> Piece of shit.
[03:52] <omeow> infinity: I ran that command you told me to run, both packages are already installed.
[03:53] <infinity> omeow: Err, then I'm not seeing the issue? :)
[03:53] <infinity> omeow: You already have the latest nvidia-glx, so what could possibly be telling you that it requires some other package?
[03:54] <omeow> the fact that I can no longer start X and looking at the log tells me that it cannot initialize the kernel module
[03:55] <infinity> Did you reboot at any point after all this?
[03:55] <omeow> X starts when I load the i386 kernel, but when I start the k7 one it won't launch X
[03:55] <omeow> Yes, trice. :)
[03:55] <infinity> Oh, err.  What kernel were you booted into when you ran the above command? :)
[03:56] <infinity> Cause "`uname -r`" would have expanded to 2.6.17-6-385, if you were booted to the 386 kernel. :)
[03:56] <infinity> "apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-6-k7" and see if that wants to do something.
[03:57] <omeow> I was booted in i386 at that point, but I understood that that wouldn't work since I wanted the k7 one to be installed, so I rebooted and ran the command again.
[03:58] <omeow> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-25-k7 is already the newest version.
[03:59] <infinity> Err, you realise what you just said, right?
[03:59] <infinity> "2.6.15-25-k7"
[03:59] <infinity> But we're talking about edgy kernels (2.6.17-6-$arch)
[03:59] <infinity> "apt-get install linux-k7"
[04:00] <infinity> And never again worry about being up to date.
[04:00] <omeow> What do you mean with that?
[04:01] <infinity> Your k7 kernel is a 2.6.15 kernel from dapper.
[04:01] <omeow> urf
[04:01] <infinity> Install the "linux-k7" package, and it will pull in the latest.
[04:01] <infinity> (And keep it current)
[04:01] <ivoks> problem is that ubuntu-minimal|desktop|standard doesn't depend on linux-xxx
[04:01] <infinity> ivoks: How could it?
[04:01] <ivoks> it's hard to achive, i know
[04:02] <infinity> ivoks: People install linux-foo after the fact.
[04:02] <infinity> ivoks: We install linux-386 during the installation.  What you choose to do after that isn't up to us.
[04:02] <ivoks> that's right
[04:02] <infinity> ivoks: This is all being sorted by just unifying the whole lot into one uber-kernel, hopefully, but we're not quite there yet.
[04:02] <infinity> (I think Ben's next upload will reduce us to two kernels on i386, though)
[04:03] <ivoks> infinity: as soon as I get time, I'll do the tests on my machine too
[04:04] <omeow> Ok, let me give that a try.
[04:04] <ivoks> right know, i have to buy new disks for ubuntu-hr.org and see what will be out of my office, since the building was on fire :)
[04:32] <omeow> Thanks infinity. It looks to be working again. :)
[04:32] <omeow> However, one thing I still need to do is re-compile the module for my xbox 360 controller.
[04:32] <omeow> But I'll do that later.
[04:32] <omeow> Thanks a lot for your help.
[07:09] <omeow> New problem. I think I may have broken something when I tried to install that Xpad 360 driver. If I boot the k7 kernel, I have no sound and if I boot the i386 one, I do have sound.
[07:17] <BenC> infinity: I have you lrm changes merged into mine now
[07:18] <crimsun> BenC: apologies regarding attachments; I'm still trying to beat Thunderbird into properly inlining patches
[07:18] <BenC> crimsun: no sweat, I've been using a hand made mutt rule to flatten them out :)
[07:21] <infinity> BenC: Up to and including the <IP_ADDRESS>-1 upload I did ~12 hours ago?
[07:21] <BenC> you did another?!
[07:22] <BenC> oh wait, yeah, that's the one I mean :)
[07:22] <infinity> BenC: Yeah, had to roll a new .orig, I got the wrong package from NVIDIA. :/
[07:22] <BenC> hrmm..uh, no I grabbed the .3-1
[07:22] <BenC> is it just a new nvidia shar?
[07:23] <infinity> And some changelog dicking, yeah.  Should be the same, otherwise.
[07:23] <infinity> Just debdiff them on chinstrap or sometihng, and apply the patch to yours.
[07:24] <infinity> And then put the orig together.  Or whatever. :)
[07:24] <infinity> Or upload your stuff to chinstrap, and I'll merge it all.
[07:24] <infinity> Cause I have l33t sk1llz, and bandwidth to spare. :)
[07:24] <BenC> you are ub3r cool infinity :)
[07:25] <BenC> uploading is the hard part, it's nothing to download, so I'll merge your changes and do a .5-1
[07:26] <BenC> guess I can do the kernel upload in the meantime
[07:26] <infinity> Err, wait.
[07:26] <infinity> Perhaps best if you don't.
[07:26] <infinity> We're mid-freeze for a Knot release.
[07:26] <infinity> No one's going to be very keen on kernel uploads right about now.
[07:27] <BenC> uh...I sort of need to
[07:27] <BenC> unless we want Knot-2 to be virtually the same kernel as Knot-1 :)
[07:28] <infinity> Well, I'll let you discuss that with Mithrandir then.
[07:28] <BenC> who's handling the freeze/knot
[07:28] <BenC> Mithrandir: ping
[07:29] <mjg59> BenC: kernel doesn't seem to compile at the moment
[07:29] <mjg59> unionfs bitches
[07:29] <BenC> mjg59: Just pushed my stuff to fix it
[07:29] <mjg59> BenC: Cool
[07:29] <mjg59> BenC: I've got a shitload of ACPI patches for you that take us up to mainline
[07:29] <mjg59> Just compile testing to make sure I've merged correctly
[07:30] <BenC> ok
[07:30] <mjg59> BenC: It's about 100 git commits
[07:30] <zul> ouch
[07:30] <mjg59> ACPI's been busy
[07:30] <BenC> wow
[07:30] <mjg59> Plus there may still be some stuff from mm we want to pull in
[07:31] <mjg59> I love git's three-way merge madness
[07:31] <mjg59> It only too me an hour
[07:32] <BenC> git has pretty good merge strategy
[07:32] <BenC> only too me a day to merge 2.6.17 into our dapper tree
[07:47] <zul> haf..
[07:47] <zul> er...gah
[08:19] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, 154 patches for you - can I send them as a gzipped mbox so you can throw it through git-apply-mbox? :)
[08:20] <BenC> yeah
[08:22] <mjg59> Builds and boots, so it can't be that bad
[08:29] <smorning_> Does anyone know if bug #46510 has been fixed ?
[08:32] <Mithrandir> BenC: hiya
[08:32] <BenC> Mithrandir: unping about kernel
[08:32] <BenC> will hold off
[08:33] <Mithrandir> BenC: thanks.
[08:33] <zul> hey ben did you have a look at my patches?
[08:34] <smorning_> Opps, I am in the wrong place sorry to bother you all
[08:40] <crimsun> hmm. Isn't #46510 an initramfs-tools issue anyhow?
[08:40] <crimsun> specifically /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions::auto_add_modules()
[08:41] <crimsun> doesn't seem like it's even referenced there at all, so it's not being added to the initramfs, which causes the symptom described in the bug report
[08:44] <crimsun> yeah, it doesn't seem like a linux-source-2.6.x issue at all, reassigning
[09:11] <mjg59> BenC: Have you fixed the console switching stuff on resume from disk?
[09:13] <BenC> mjg59: yeah
[09:15] <Mithrandir> mjg59: my x40 is unhappy when resuming after StR.  I guess "doesn't work" isn't very useful for you, so what is.  It seems to generally get to the "make suspend light blink", then stops.  alt-Sysrq-s doesn't generate disk activity, so I don't think the kernel is running.  (Or the keyboard driver isn't reloaded)
[09:17] <Mithrandir> (edgy)
[09:17] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Can you boot with acpi_sleep=s3_bios?
[09:17] <mjg59> That ought to get you a console earlier
[09:17] <Mithrandir> let me see if I can provoke it here.
[09:17] <Mithrandir> since it works sometimes.
[09:19] <mjg59> BenC: Pushed yet, or just locally? It doens't seem to be in tree
[09:20] <BenC> mjg59: Should be pushed
[09:20] <BenC> I didn't use your patch, I did it up a little different
[09:20] <BenC> added a config option to disable it
[09:21] <mjg59> BenC: Oh, sorry, I see it
[09:27] <AnAnt> BenC: u there ?
[09:28] <BenC> AnAnt: yep
[09:29] <AnAnt> BenC: remember I sent you a request to use ipw2200 driver version 1.1.3 (from ipw2200.sf.net) and I also sent you a patch for it
[09:29] <AnAnt> a patch that enables injection
[09:29] <BenC> AnAnt: It's updated in git
[09:29] <BenC> the inject patch I wont use
[09:29] <BenC> I don't like what it allows you to do, by default
[09:29] <BenC> if it can be changed to only be enabled with a module parm, I'd accept it
[09:30] <AnAnt> what do you mean by "by default" ?
[09:30] <BenC> the injection code is enabled when the module is loaded
[09:30] <BenC> I don't want that
[09:30] <BenC> sounds too anti-security
[09:30] <AnAnt> I understand that it has a rtap_iface parm
[09:30] <BenC> just like ethernet devices aren't in promiscuous by default
[09:31] <AnAnt> you mean, that if the rtap_iface is not enabled, the injection code is enabled ?
[09:31] <BenC> that's what it looked like to me, but maybe I need to read it better
[09:31] <AnAnt> BenC: yes please, thanks
[09:31] <BenC> is the inject ioctl only on the rtap device?
[09:32] <AnAnt> BenC: dunno
[09:38] <omeow> So I upgraded to 2.6.17-6-k7 today. And my "mounting root filesystem..." step takes 33 seconds. Is this a known problem?
[09:38] <BenC> omeow: launchpad would know
[09:38] <BenC> also, wait till -7, since it has a crap load of fixes
[09:39] <AnAnt> BenC: btw, you said that you updated it in git , you did that today ? we are talking about kernel-2.6.17, right ?
[09:39] <omeow> Ok. I'll have another look when I updated to that version then.
[09:47] <mjg59> BenC: And I've just tested the dock driver - I can dock and undock my Dell without stuff exploding now
[09:48] <BenC> cool
[09:48] <mjg59> STR still seems happy
[09:48] <mjg59> All in all, a succesful experiment
[09:50] <thom> mjg59: shiny
[09:53] <zul> mjg59: cool beans
[09:54] <omeow> Yeah, I was just at a site where they had two dell laptops. Things were crazy hot.
[09:54] <omeow> (not really linux related =P)
[09:55] <zul> argh...stop the jmicron emails
[10:03] <zul> ttyl
[10:19] <mjg59> HP seem to have designed their docking aesthetics pretty well
[10:20] <mjg59> The angle the machine makes with the floor is quite pleasing
[10:20] <mjg59> The Dell, on the other hand, looks pretty shit
[10:20] <mjg59> But if I press the eject button, it flashes and then the eject lever lights up!
[10:22] <thom> the eject lever lights up?
[10:22] <thom> RICER
[10:27] <Lure> mjg59: yes, new HP docs are nice - also good for air flow
[10:28] <Lure> mjg59: but travel battery closes the air-in hole for CPU - so it overheats even faster :-(
[10:31] <mjg59> Lure: Suck
[10:31] <mjg59> thom: Ha
[10:31] <mjg59> thom: It's pretty typical, to let you know that the OS has disassociated with the machine
[10:31] <thom> the ibm dock gives you a nice green arrow
[10:32] <mjg59> thom: Want my patch set?
[10:32] <mjg59> Should pretty much apply to current git
[10:32] <thom> sure
[10:32] <mjg59> And provide great docking justice
[10:32] <thom> hurrah!
[10:32] <mjg59> www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/acpipatches.gz
[10:33] <mjg59> You want m for acpi docs
[10:33] <mjg59> Not sure whether the IBM hotplugging stuff is for big IBM hardware or for the laptops
[10:34] <thom> gunzip and git-apply-mbox it?
[10:34] <thom> right
[10:39] <mjg59> thom: That's the one
[10:42] <mjg59> Ha
[10:42] <mjg59> You are using -jwhatever, right?
[10:43] <thom> yeah
[10:43] <mjg59> kernels build damn fast on the Sony
[10:44] <mjg59> Which is only a 1.66GHz Core Duo
[10:44] <thom> i think the limit here is the disk in the x60s
[10:44] <thom> oh. and the fact it's building on an encrypted partition, sadly
[10:46] <thom> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us  3945.30s user 1100.81s system 107% cpu 1:17:52.62 total
[10:59] <mjg59> Oh, are you building all archs?
[11:00] <mjg59> Erm
[11:00] <mjg59> Subarchs
[11:02] <thom> yeah
[11:06] <mjg59> Ah
[11:06] <mjg59> That would explain the difference
[11:06] <mjg59> I usually only do 686
[11:07] <thom> i need to build an installer after, so i need udebs and the whole shebang :/
[11:09] <mjg59> Ah
[11:16] <thom> and it doesn't work
[11:16] <thom> bah
[11:17] <mjg59> The build?
[11:18] <thom> well, what i was trying to make work
[11:18] <thom> and i don't get why
[11:18] <thom> oh well


[03:02] <LockUp> I need free program to export ODT or DOC files to PDF/X-1a. What do you propose?
[09:15] <somerville32> Is the Edubuntu meeting occuring?
[09:16] <Simira> I didn't think it was any "ordinary" meetings during umv?
[09:17] <somerville32> Mm...
[09:17] <somerville32> Edubuntu seems to have a lot of meetings, haha.
[09:17] <Simira> @schedule Oslo
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 15 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu | 22 Nov 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Nov 17:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu
[10:12] <shwag> how come when I   sudo useradd newuser  .... it doesnt create a  /home/newuser  ?
[10:16] <mjg59> shwag: This isn't a technical support channel
[10:16] <shwag> my bad


[18:53] <alevipri> hello everyone, hope this is the correct channel where to ask
[18:54] <alevipri> this page ( http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ ) lists both 14.04.4 and 14.04.5
[18:54] <alevipri> and describes ubuntu 14.04.4 as "Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS (Trusty Tahr)"
[18:55] <alevipri> I think this has to be fixed (move 14.04.4 to old-releases.ubuntu.com and correct 14.04.4 description)
[18:55] <alevipri> where to report this?


[08:26] <mandel> hello everyone!
[08:26] <mandel> oh, man I hate updating OSes...
[08:48]  * mandel out for 15 min errands
[08:54] <JamesTait> Goooood mooorning all. ;-)
[09:03] <ralsina> good morning!
[09:11] <mandel> ralsina, morning!
[09:11] <ralsina> hello mandel
[09:35] <mandel> ralsina, I'm of to do some errands in the bank :(
[09:35] <mandel> ralsina, I should be back in 20 mins or so
[09:35] <ralsina> go err
[09:35] <ralsina> before you do, any prgress on the watches?
[09:36] <mandel> ralsina, yes, should have an MP after mumble or so
[09:37] <ralsina> mandel: awesome
[09:46] <gatox> mandel, are you still needing a review? sorry to forget about that
[10:35] <mandel> gatox, I have not pushed the fixes that nessita asked for, I'll ping you when done
[10:35] <mandel> I was hacing fun with something else...
[10:35] <gatox> mandel, ok!
[10:35] <gatox> :P
[11:18] <facundobatista> Holaaaaaa
[11:29]  * mandel walking the beast
[11:42] <nessita> good morning everyone!
[11:57] <nessita> mandel: ping
[11:58] <nessita> @ping
[12:08] <nessita> bug #123456
[12:11] <nessita> ralsina: ping
[12:14] <ralsina> nessita: pong
[12:22] <nessita> ralsina: hi there!
[12:23] <ralsina> god morning nessita
[12:23] <nessita>  have the link handy to the bug report about the double to_errdict?
[12:23] <nessita> I have to change work locations and I'm with my laptop
[12:23] <nessita> so I lost the "tab" :-)
[12:23] <ralsina> nessita: I can probably find it :-)
[12:24] <nessita> I can't find it under ussoc, which is weird, I think you filed it there?
[12:24] <ralsina> nessita: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-windows-installer/+bug/812468
[12:24] <gatox> nessita, when you have a second please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/close-on-license/+merge/73292
[12:24] <nessita> gatox: sure!
[12:24] <ralsina> nessita: no idea why I filed it under installer
[12:24] <nessita> ralsina: thanks
[12:29] <mandel> nessita, ping
[12:30] <nessita> mandel: pong
[12:30] <mandel> nessita, hello, you were after me, right?
[12:30] <nessita> mandel: I was pinging you a little while ago
[12:30] <nessita> mandel: yeah, I don't see the MP fixed, is LP correct?
[12:31] <mandel> nessita, lp is correct that is no the laste version, let me push it
[12:31] <mandel> I was looking at other things and forgot
[12:31] <nessita> ok
[12:36] <nessita> ralsina: how can I reproduce the bug? I mean, is the description of the bug the same thing you tried to have the second trace?
[12:37] <ralsina> nessita: yes, the same thing, using ffff@ as email address and everything
[12:42] <mandel> nessita, lp finished parsing th enew version, feel free to take a look
[12:47] <nessita> gatox: comment added
[12:47] <gatox> nessita, ok
[13:00] <nessita> me
[13:00] <mandel> me
[13:00] <mandel> alecu, ping
[13:00] <alecu> good morning all!
[13:00] <gatox> me
[13:00] <nessita> hi alecu
[13:01] <ralsina> me
[13:01] <nessita> ralsina: standup?
[13:02] <nessita> eso!
[13:02] <nessita> DONE: reviews, almost done bug #834900, daily meeting
[13:02] <nessita> TODO: more reviews, finish bug #834900
[13:02] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:02] <nessita> NEXT: mandel
[13:02] <mandel> DONE: Fixed new line errors in https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add-method-name/+merge/73400. Worked on the ancestors watches issue but I dont thing there is a bug for that, is there?
[13:02] <mandel> TODO: Finish fixing a number of tests related to the addition of the UDF ancestors in watches.
[13:02] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[13:02] <mandel> next: gatox!
[13:02] <gatox> DONE:
[13:02] <gatox> Reset Password Page and Refactoring of password operations between Installer and SSO complete.
[13:02] <gatox> TODO:
[13:02] <gatox> Bunch of UI bugs.
[13:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:02] <gatox> No.
[13:02] <gatox> ralsina, go
[13:03] <ralsina> DONE: release, installer test suite runs on linux, a few fixes, reviews, talked with lisette, fixed parrino's handoff bug in theinstaller. TODO: think about/implement systray icon, fix stderr BLOCKED: no
[13:03] <ralsina> I forgot: worked on adding syncdaemon to autostart
[13:03] <ralsina> And I am kinda BLOCKED in that I have my kid at home today, we'll see how that turns out
[13:04] <nessita> alecu: go?
[13:04] <alecu> me
[13:04] <nessita> alecu: go!
[13:05] <alecu> DONE: tested IRL the delayed hashing branch and worked on broken tests in it
[13:05] <alecu> TODO: review and check events workflow in windows
[13:05] <alecu> BLOCKED: got a sick kid today at home, may be unresponsive at times
[13:05] <alecu> mandel, pong?
[13:06] <alecu> ralsina, I've got a few ideas on the systray icon as well, please let me know when you start working about it.
[13:07] <nessita> mandel: the dot should not be added in add_method_name but in the strings itself. The code style recommends adding an ending dot to every comment/message/log message, so usually a dev will write that in the same string, and we'll end up with 2 dots
[13:07] <ralsina> alecu: sure!
[13:07] <ralsina> alecu: we can stay talking after the mumble
[13:07] <ralsina> alecu: but just FYI I am aiming at _minimal_ ;-)
[13:07] <alecu> ralsina, mostly on how we should adapt the notifications/messaging menu code to work with a systray icon.
[13:07] <alecu> ralsina, +1
[13:08] <ralsina> alecu: cool, was not intending to implement that now, but it's good to not do something that makes it impossible later :-)
[13:08] <nessita> mandel: comment added to the MP
[13:08] <mandel> nessita, I guess I can add and extra sentence rather than appending the calling method to it for future changes...
[13:09] <mandel> alecu, did you file a bug for the accentors issue?
[13:09] <gatox> ralsina, nessita another review please (Both branches are related): https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/reset-password-page/+merge/73522  -  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/reset-password-page/+merge/73523
[13:09] <alecu> mandel, don't know what an "accentor" is, but I will fill it right now.
[13:09] <ralsina> accentors? Are those the bad guys in the new Harry Potter? ;-)
[13:09] <mandel> alecu, hahaa
[13:10] <mandel> alecu, adding a watcher to the parent :P
[13:10] <ralsina> gatox: on it in about 10'
[13:10] <nessita> mandel: you can strip the '.' if it's present and append the method name
[13:10] <gatox> ralsina, thanks
[13:10] <nessita> ralsina: when you have a minute, I would like to ask you about the errdict bug
[13:10] <ralsina> nessita: is now ok?
[13:10] <nessita> sure!
[13:10] <ralsina> mumble or here?
[13:10] <nessita> ralsina: here, typing now
[13:12] <nessita> so, if I recall the IRC backlog from Monday correctly (I read it while I was very sleepy), I think you mentioned this bug was related to the changes I made for login-email-password-for-everyone. I'm looking at the trace, and I'm not sure I can make that connection, maybe you saw something I'm missing?
[13:12] <mandel> nessita, uh? well I can do that too, a little ugly though. I prefer: Path should be unicode. Callign method 'blah'
[13:12] <mandel> nessita, with a . at the end ;)
[13:13] <nessita> mandel: sounds good
[13:13] <ralsina> nessita: uness I misunderstood bzr blame, I think you added the except_to_errdict to the lambda in that branch
[13:13] <nessita> ralsina: checking
[13:15]  * mandel super quick lunch
[13:17] <nessita> ralsina: that's what bzr blame says, yes, though that was revno 764 (we're now in 771), I'm trying to find what branch was it
[13:18] <nessita> ralsina: right, I just fixed the indentation:
[13:18] <nessita> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu-sso-client/trunk/revision/766#ubuntu_sso/main/windows.py
[13:18] <nessita> ralsina: that code is in place since revno 675, added by mandel
[13:18] <ralsina> Then it's probably something I added when doing the login_with_user_email
[13:18] <ralsina> oh, right, it's mandel's fault! ;-)
[13:18] <nessita> ralsina: I can debug, no problem
[13:19] <nessita> ralsina: actually I like to do it, so I can clean up this a bit
[13:19] <ralsina> nessita: cool, it's kinda icky
[13:19] <nessita> ralsina: but I would like to queue this up after I finish the controlpanel UI bugs? otherwise I may not hold my estimate for this Friday :-/
[13:19] <ralsina> nessita: ok
[13:19] <nessita> I will assign the bug to me
[13:22] <nessita> ralsina: when you have a new "free" slot I would like help debugging why a button does not get visually enabled when called setEnabled(True) (it can be clicked though)
[13:22] <ralsina> nessita: if you can click it, it's enabled
[13:22] <nessita> ralsina: but is "visually" disabled
[13:22] <ralsina> nessita: it's a styling issue, you will have mre luck with gatox
[13:22] <nessita> is greyed out
[13:23] <nessita> ralsina: the button is orange until I call setEnabled(False)
[13:23] <ralsina> nessita: if you click it, it gets orange?
[13:23] <nessita> then, is greyed out. When later I call setEnabled(True), it can be clicked but never turns orange again
[13:23] <nessita> I can ask gatox to help me :-)
[13:24] <ralsina> nessita: yes, he had the same problem while at the sprint
[13:24] <nessita> gatox: you remember how you solved it?
[13:25]  * gatox reading...
[13:26] <gatox> nessita, yes... where are you having that problem?
[13:26] <gatox> nessita, you have to refresh the style with unpolish and polish
[13:26] <nessita> gatox: in the controlpanel
[13:26] <nessita> isn't there any other "cleaner" solution?
[13:27] <gatox> nessita, nop...... that is the cleaner solution... the qt doc say it :P
[13:27] <gatox> the other solution is slower
[13:27] <nessita> gatox: have a link handy please?
[13:27] <gatox> nessita, to the doc?
[13:27] <nessita> yes
[13:28] <gatox> nessita, let me look for it... i usually ready it locally in the qt assistant...... wait.....
[13:30] <nessita> that certainly work, but I don't like it (can live with it though)
[13:31] <nessita> ralsina, Chipaca, alecu, mandel, gatox: I'm using my laptop today, that has a for-ever-broken mumble, so I apologize and I would ask that we use skype for today, please
[13:32] <ralsina> nessita: no problem
[13:32] <Chipaca> skype? are we pro-microsoft now?
[13:32]  * Chipaca trolls, randomly
[13:35] <gatox> nessita, i can find it in the doc...... but i'm sure i read it.... basically it says that you can reapply the style using setStyleSheet(styleSheet()) but this is slower because force several widgets to reapply the style... and the proper solution would be to call unpolish and polish for the widget that we want to reapply the style
[13:36] <nessita> gatox: ok, I'll google if I need more info, thanks! it worked, you know :-)
[13:36] <gatox> nessita, so the widget only will use the styles that are assigned to that kind of widget
[13:36] <nessita> right
[13:37] <gatox> nessita, ah wait... you wanted a link of how implemented or about what i was talking about (performance stuff)??
[13:37] <gatox> i was looking for the second one
[13:37] <nessita> gatox: the second one, yes
[13:37] <gatox> ahhhhh....... well.... that one i couldn't find it
[13:38] <nessita> is ok
[14:05] <mandel> nessita, ok, sle tme start skype
[14:06] <mandel> alecu, nessita, ralsina, gatox have you guys started the cLL
[14:06] <nessita> not yet
[14:07] <mandel> ah.. ok
[14:07] <nessita> Chipaca: if you can attend to the meeting, can you start the call, please?
[14:07] <nessita> alecu, ralsina, gatox: skype?
[14:07] <ralsina> nessita: starting it
[14:07] <gatox> nessita, ack
[14:13] <alecu> facundobatista, hope you don't mind that I've added you as reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/hash-bash-dash-rash/+merge/73540
[14:13] <facundobatista> alecu, ok
[14:43] <nessita> alecu, Chipaca, ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~damiano-albani/ubuntu-sso-client/proxy-support/+merge/71170
[14:49] <alecu> looking
[14:52] <gatox> nessita, this branch is ready for re-review: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/close-on-license/+merge/73292
[14:54] <nessita> gatox: ack
[15:11] <facundobatista> alecu, ping
[15:12] <alecu> facundobatista, pong
[15:12] <ralsina> Ok, off to lunch
[15:12] <facundobatista> alecu, if _Hasher is in the middle of a time.sleep(), and I do cancel_if_running() on it, what will happen?
[15:13] <facundobatista> ah, you don't have the mutex there
[15:13] <alecu> facundobatista, the thread will wait for the sleep to end, then it will process the cancel as usual
[15:13] <alecu> facundobatista, and then pick the next item from the queue
[15:13] <alecu> facundobatista, by definition, the next item should be hashed *later* than the one waiting.
[15:16] <facundobatista>         no_timestamp = None
[15:16] <facundobatista>         item = (self.end_mark, no_timestamp)
[15:16] <facundobatista> alecu, ^, create a local variable just for readability? isn't better a comment?
[15:18] <alecu> facundobatista, yes: I always prefer readability in the code than in comments. Comments tend to get out of date easily; code stops working instead :-)
[15:19] <facundobatista> alecu, how you test that?
[15:20] <alecu> facundobatista, which assertion?
[15:20] <facundobatista> alecu, don't know, it's "useless" production code
[15:21] <alecu> facundobatista, most of the tests on the hash queue code is high level: it tests the integration of all the bits from outside the hash thread.
[15:21] <alecu> facundobatista, so it's not so easy to test just that bit of code.
[15:22] <alecu> facundobatista, perhaps I should make "no_timestamp" a constant?
[15:22] <alecu> facundobatista, also: what's your concern with "no_timestamp" being a local? cpu usage? memory consumption?
[15:24] <facundobatista> alecu, conceptual uglyness, but we agreee that we don't agree there
[15:24] <alecu> facundobatista, would making it a module level constant look better to you? I think it does to me.
[15:25] <facundobatista> alecu, as you wish
[15:38] <snap-l> Any reason why if I copy over an updated version of a file, I no longer can use the link that I previously published?
[15:42] <nessita> ralsina_lunch, gatox: what should I tweak in order to set the focus in a lineedit in a screen? can I configure that in designer?
[15:42] <nosedrum> hi all
[15:42] <nosedrum> hi have a question
[15:43] <nosedrum> i can't restore my firefox bookmarks, how can i do ?
[15:43] <nessita> snap-l: what kind of file is it?
[15:43] <nosedrum> ubuntu one says "all files synchronized"
[15:43] <nosedrum> but no bookmarks in firefox
[15:43] <nosedrum> ...
[15:46] <nessita> nosedrum: can you please file  a support request here? https://one.ubuntu.com/suppo
[15:46] <nessita> sorry, here: https://one.ubuntu.com/help/
[15:46] <nosedrum> this not ubuntu one chatroom here ?
[15:46] <nessita> nosedrum: yes, it is
[15:47] <nessita> rye: you around?
[15:47] <alecu> facundobatista, I've fixed it by making it a constant, and added a new test for the patched OrderedDict.
[15:47] <alecu> facundobatista, I'm still not sure what you mean by "Conceptual Uglyness"... perhaps you would have liked the end mark to not carry a timestamp, or something like that.
[15:47] <rye> nosedrum, could you please PM me your e-mail so that I could look up the account?
[15:47] <nessita> alecu: did we find any package to backport ordereddict?
[15:48] <gatox> nessita, set the focus??
[15:48] <alecu> nessita, I ended up fixing the one that comes with twisted, so it works a bit more similar to the one in 2.7
[15:48] <gatox> nessita, setFocus() is not what you need?
[15:48] <nessita> gatox: can I do that from designer?
[15:48] <facundobatista> alecu, no, I understand the needing of key/value in the new structure
[15:48] <nessita> gatox: I prefer not doing it programatically if possible
[15:49] <gatox> nessita, i'm not sure... but probably not from the designer, because you are grouping together several widgets...
[15:49] <gatox> nessita, so there isn't a rule of which one is going to gain focus over other widgets
[15:49] <nessita> gatox: that sucks! ;-)
[15:50] <alecu> nessita, mandel, ralsina_lunch: perhaps one of you guys wants to review my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/hash-bash-dash-rash/+merge/73540
[15:50] <snap-l> nessita: It was a PDF file that I copied over the previous file.
[15:51] <nessita> facundobatista: can you please refresh my memory re: public files links? I think we keep the same link for the same node, right?
[15:51] <facundobatista> nessita, AFAIR, the public link points to the node_id, but I'm not 100% sure
[15:51] <ralsina_lunch> alecu: queued
[15:51] <nessita> facundobatista: so in which case will the node_id change? remove and re-add?
[15:52] <alecu> ralsina_lunch, buen provecho!
[15:52] <facundobatista> nessita, yes, and that happens for some editors
[15:52]  * alecu will be afk cooking for amelia
[15:52] <nessita> snap-l: how did you update the pdf file?
[15:53] <snap-l> I copied over another file on top of it
[15:54] <nessita> facundobatista: shouldn't that preserve node_ids? ^
[15:55] <facundobatista> snap-l, how did you copy it?
[15:57] <gatox> lunch
[16:01] <snap-l> facundobatista: Via nautilus
[16:05] <facundobatista> nessita, this is what nautilus does for a "copy t.txt over other t.txt in /tmp/foo": https://pastebin.canonical.com/52054/
[16:05] <facundobatista> nessita, as you can see, it's a new file the resulting one, that explains the behaviour snap-l sees
[16:06] <nessita> right
[16:07] <nessita> snap-l: so, nautilus copied the file using a temp file in between, which generates file system events that makes syncdaemon upload the file as a new file
[16:07] <snap-l> facundobatista: And that's not the behavior I would expect.
[16:12] <nessita> ralsina_lunch: seems like your branch from yesterday (I finished the review late last night) is not landing
[16:12] <nessita> ralsina_lunch: did you check with sidnei if that tarmac is landing windows-installer branches?
[16:15] <ralsina_lunch> nessita: haven't. Let's ask!
[16:17] <ralsina> nessita: it isn't but he will add it
[16:18] <nessita> mandel: ping
[16:19] <nessita> gatox_lunch: did you mention that close-on-license was ready for re-review?
[16:19] <gatox_lunch> nessita, yes
[16:19] <nessita> gatox_lunch: I don't see any new change to it. Not in LP nor branching.
[16:19] <nessita> mandel: same on your u1client branch ^
[16:30] <nessita> @ping
[16:37] <gatox> nessita, mmmmmm let me check
[16:38] <gatox> nessita, now is ready...... the server send me an error before
[16:38] <gatox> nessita, about my other 2 branches....... they should be merged together because they are related
[16:38] <mandel> nessita, really?
[16:39] <mandel> butI'm sure I pushe the changes, let mecheck
[16:40] <nessita> mandel: maybe I mis-checked? let me know
[16:40] <nessita> gatox: ok
[16:43] <mandel> nessita,  I need to go for a little, 'Ill be back to check what is wrong
[16:43] <nessita> mandel: ok
[16:45] <ralsina> gatox: +1 on the 1st branch
[16:47] <gatox> ralsina, thanks
[16:50] <nessita> gatox: how shall I call setFocus? I'm trying
[16:50] <gatox> nessita, object.setFocus()
[16:50] <nessita> +        self.ui.email_entry.setFocus(QtCore.Qt.OtherFocusReason)
[16:50] <nessita> but it has no effect
[16:50] <gatox> nessita, there is no need to pass a parameter
[16:50] <gatox> send*
[16:51] <gatox> nessita, just:
[16:51] <nessita> gatox: with no parameters it does not work either
[16:51] <gatox>  self.ui.email_entry.setFocus()
[16:51] <nessita> right, already tried that, but the focus is not in that entry
[16:51] <gatox> nessita, where are you setting that code?? is the widget visible at that moment?
[16:52] <nessita> gatox: not necesarily
[16:53] <nessita> gatox: I'm now calling it in showEvent, and the focus is not set... any ideas?
[16:53] <gatox> nessita, i think that might be the problem...... you should set the focus to a visible widget
[16:53] <nessita> gatox: I'm now calling it in showEvent, and the focus is not set... any ideas? :-)
[16:53] <ralsina> yes, you can't setFocus on invisible widgets
[16:53] <ralsina> on showEvent, it's not "shown" yet
[16:53] <nessita> ralsina: I'm calling setFocus in showEvent...
[16:53] <ralsina> it will be shown after you accept the event
[16:54] <gatox> nessita, are you calling it after forwarding the show event to the parent?
[16:54] <nessita> gatox: no
[16:54] <gatox> nessita, so it is still invisible
[16:54] <gatox> nessita, you should do something like:
[16:54] <gatox> def showEvent(self, event):
[16:55] <gatox>     super(MyClass, self).showEvent(event)
[16:55] <gatox>     widget.setFocus()
[16:55] <nessita> gatox: I have that exactly, and the focus is not there...
[16:56] <ralsina> or Qtimer.singleShot(0, widget.setFocus)
[16:56] <gatox> ralsina, wowwwwww...... that is nassty! :P
[16:56] <nessita> I prefer the widget not have focus before doing that! ;-)
[16:56] <ralsina> gatox: yes, but if that works, then we know it'sa timing problem :-)
[16:58] <gatox> nessita, do you have that code you are testing in any branch where i can take a look?
[16:58] <nessita> gatox: yes, cleaning it up before piushing
[16:59] <gatox> ralsina, i should leave right now if it is possible, i've to run to the university (just for today at this time)... i'll be submitting my changes at night if that is ok.....
[16:59] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[16:59] <gatox> ralsina, thanks! i'll send you an email tonight
[17:00] <gatox> nessita, send me a link to your branch..... i'll take a look at it as soon as i can
[17:00] <gatox> bye all
[17:00] <nessita> gatox: bye, thanks
[17:15] <ralsina> alecu: +1 on bash-mash-rash-flash
[17:15] <alecu> ralsina, naish, thanksh!
[17:15] <ralsina> yoush welcomesh
[17:18]  * nessita -> quick lunch
[17:28] <ralsina> ok, the kid situation is getting complicated
[17:28] <ralsina> I am going to take a break, and will work intermittently the rest of the day, but until late
[17:28] <ralsina> I will probably get more done later when he's tired. I hope :-(
[17:29] <ralsina> I will still be around, so talk to me or ask for reviews, or whatever, I will get it
[17:48] <nessita> ralsina: if you can, whenever you can: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/disconnect-logic/+merge/73555
[17:48] <ralsina>  nessita: sure!
[17:49] <alecu> nessita, I've added needs fixing plus comments to https://code.launchpad.net/~damiano-albani/ubuntu-sso-client/proxy-support/+merge/71170
[17:49] <nessita> alecu: thanks!
[17:51] <alecu> nessita, the code in that branch considers a few simple cases of proxy support; but it looks like it will fail with other simple cases, and it ignores the complex cases.
[17:51] <alecu> nessita, I've only commented on the failing cases; I won't comment on the complex ones because we won't be able to tackle them while using stdlib
[17:52] <nessita> alecu: right, my big concern is if this code will be an issue when we try to deal with the complex ones
[17:52] <alecu> nessita, I think that if we fix the other simple cases we can land this branch.
[17:52] <alecu> nessita, for the complex ones we should switch to libsoup.
[17:53] <nessita> which is not cross platform, afaik
[17:53] <alecu> nessita, probably :-(
[17:54] <nessita> ok, let's see what this contributor responds
[17:54] <alecu> nessita, perhaps we should try whatever qt provides that's similar to libsoup.
[17:54] <nessita> alecu: perhaps, yes
[17:55] <alecu> nessita, but anyway, till we get to that point, we can support this solution that will help a significant percentage of proxy users.
[17:55] <nessita> sounds good
[17:55] <alecu> nessita, my only concern is that sso will probably work, but we are not sure if syncdaemon will.
[17:55] <alecu> and that sounds even worse to me.
[17:56] <nessita> alecu: well, this code will only affect sso for now...
[17:57] <alecu> nessita, yup. But consider a user that uses u1 behind a proxy on a given computer for the first time. He is able to login or register, but then SD won't sync.
[17:57] <alecu> nessita, that's a lousy experience.
[17:58] <nessita> alecu: indeed, but since SSO is an "independent" project from u1client I think it makes some sense (for example, software center will be able to function for rating/reviews behind a proxy)
[18:00] <alecu> right
[18:28] <ralsina> nessita: +1 on disconnect-logic based on tests + IRL testing but only a quick read of the code
[18:28] <nessita> ralsina: thanks!
[18:35] <nessita> ok, I'm leaving to uni
[18:38]  * nessita waves
[18:38] <nessita> see ya later crowd
[18:39] <Alukardd> hi all
[18:40] <Alukardd> as I can see, symlink doesn't supported yet?..
[18:43] <karni> Alukardd: yes, not supported yet
[18:44] <Alukardd> that's a pity
[18:47] <Alukardd> karni: and there is no way to sync with u1 files from partion other than home folder?!
[18:51] <karni> hmm, rye / duanedesign ↑ ?
[18:51] <karni> Alukardd: From what I know, only folders from your users home directory.
[18:52] <Alukardd> karni: heh :-( Thanks...
[18:52] <rye> Alukardd, no, at the moment only folder within /home/ are supported
[19:12] <afeijo> hi guys
[19:13] <afeijo> just curious, what is that small gray horizontal bar in the middle of the U1 icon at the vertical menu in unity?
[19:13] <ralsina> afeijo: that is a progress indicator
[19:13] <ralsina> afeijo: shows how far along your sync is
[19:13] <afeijo> ralsina, the whole day?
[19:14] <afeijo> it is totally synced
[19:14] <afeijo> should'nt show it then
[19:14] <ralsina> afeijo: ok, that is probably a bug
[19:14] <ralsina> thisfred: are you around?
[19:14] <afeijo> I thought it would be
[19:14] <thisfred> ralsina: I am
[19:14] <ralsina> thisfred: if yes, afeijo's problem is a known one, right?
[19:14]  * thisfred reads backlog
[19:15] <thisfred> ralsina: not really known to me, no :(
[19:15] <thisfred> That's not to say it's not filed as a bug already
[19:16] <thisfred> But I have not been looking at the client at all
[19:16] <afeijo> if I may ask, when the windows client will be released? any date yet?
[19:17] <ralsina> thisfred: I think I remember a bug where after you start u1cp, then you close it, the bar got stuck because the connection to unity was lost... it's foggy
[19:17] <ralsina> afeijo: soonish
[19:17] <afeijo> hehe
[19:18] <afeijo> new accts get 2gb or 5gb?
[19:18] <thisfred> ralsina: ah, yes, I remember something like that (different symptom though, but may have the same cause: clicking the unity launcher kills the progress bar)
[19:19] <afeijo> thisfred, I confirm that, the bar is gone
[19:19] <ralsina> afeijo: 5
[19:19] <afeijo> ralsina, I had 2 gb, about 1 month ago, it up to 5
[19:20] <thisfred> yeah, but then it will never come back. That *is* a known bug. I'm not really sure a stuck progress bar is related
[19:20] <afeijo> thisfred, I will watch it after my next reboot, thanks
[23:21]  * nessita is back to catch up with news


[19:22] <phil_> Hey every one. Can any take a second to help me? I'm having some Lubuntu issues...
[19:23] <johnny77> I'm working on setting up a Openbox session, but I'm having trouble getting Dropbox to load in the /home/jdmcclung/.config/openbox/autostart.sh. It loads if I login to LXDE, but not Openbox.
[19:24] <johnny77> phil_: Fill free to throw out your question... I'm pretty new, but maybe I can help.
[19:25] <phil_> I've installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition 2.8, but it didn't come with the other versions, so I manually chose to install Lubuntu myself. Well, I think that I may have done something wrong because every time I sign into it, it only gives me SOME of my desktop... ie, missing taskbar, title bar, etc...
[19:25] <phil_> Did I do something wrong, or does it just sound like I have a glitchy system?
[19:25] <johnny77> how did you install Lubuntu?
[19:26] <phil_> I looked up the code and installled it through a terminal.
[19:26] <phil_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
[19:26] <phil_> I used that site.
[19:27] <phil_> Any ideas? :(
[19:28] <johnny77> try just typing: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <johnny77> also did you try to remove Ubuntu once Lubuntu was installed?
[19:29] <phil_> Even though it's already "technically" installed?
[19:29] <phil_> No. I'm wanting to have both of them.
[19:29] <phil_> Different purposes for both.
[19:30] <phil_> Once upon a time I had both, plus more installed. It was nice... :P
[19:31] <johnny77> I would try to install again. it sounds that it wasn't all installed.
[19:31] <johnny77> Make sure you are loging into Lubuntu and not openbox.
[19:31] <phil_> SHould I uninstall it first, and if so, how?
[19:32] <johnny77> no need to uninstall. If things were missed it will only install them.
[19:33] <phil_> And that won't get rid of regular ol' Ubuntu UE?
[19:33] <johnny77> nope.
[19:34] <phil_> Awesome. I'll give that a shot. Did you see that link that I posted?
[19:34] <phil_> This is what I did...
[19:34] <phil_> Install Lubuntu from Ubuntu or any Ubuntu flavors
[19:34] <phil_> You can install on any installed version of Ubuntu by adding the lubuntu ppa and then installing lubuntu:
[19:34] <phil_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
[19:34] <phil_> sudo apt-get update
[19:34] <phil_> sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[19:35] <phil_> I'm still semi-trying to get used to Ubuntu vs... *YUK* Windows... lol. Slow conversion...
[19:35] <johnny77> I would try just "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[19:36] <johnny77> I'm not sure what "--no-install-recommends" means. I'd leave it out when you try to install again.
[19:37] <phil_> Yeah. That seems like it'd make sense. Gonna try it right now. I'll probably have to restart at some point, but I'll come back in here when it's all done to let you know how it went.
[19:39] <phil_> Nevermind... I might actually have to uninstall it first... This is what I just got...
[19:39] <phil_> Reading package lists... Done
[19:39] <phil_> Building dependency tree
[19:39] <phil_> Reading state information... Done
[19:39] <phil_> lubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[19:39] <phil_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 219 not upgraded.
[19:39] <johnny77> that sounds to me that everything is already installed.
[19:40] <johnny77> what exactly is happening when you login to Lubuntu?
[19:41] <phil_> Sometimes my taskbar is missing. Sometimes there's just no way to sign out. I never get to have my window borders. So, a lot of fun stuff...
[19:42] <phil_> Btw, I appreciate you taking time to help me. Thanks.
[19:43] <johnny77> no problem. I'm afraid that your problem may be outside my knowledge. If your taskbar is SOMETIMES missing, I'm don't know what would cause that.
[19:44] <phil_> Maybe I should try uninstalling it, and then reinstalling it the correct way. The way that I did it originally seemed kinda strange.
[19:44] <johnny77> what are your options when you login?
[19:45] <johnny77> Is there anything else other than Ubuntu and Lubuntu in which to login?
[19:46] <phil_> I get the Ubuntu UE login screen and I have the typical sign in options. Ie Ubuntu UE + recovery mode, openbox, lubuntu, lubuntu netbook edition, etc.
[19:47] <phil_> Is there a way to uninstall it? I could just try that and touch bases with you to let ya know if it worked after I reinstall it the correct way.
[19:47] <johnny77> Not trying to be dumb, but you are sure your logging into Lubuntu each time?
[19:47] <phil_> Yeah. :P
[19:48] <phil_> Done it many times in the past. Doing it the same way, only difference is that UE came with it before.
[19:48] <johnny77> Are you in Lubuntu now?
[19:48] <phil_> No. UE
[19:49] <johnny77> ok, open terminal type: sudo aptitude remove lubuntu-destop
[19:50] <phil_> sudo: aptitude: command not found :(
[19:52] <johnny77> ok try: sudo apt-get remove lubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <phil_> YAY! Removing! lol
[19:54] <phil_> And if it goes back to the origional text when you first open a terminal, it's done? name@computername:~$
[19:56] <johnny77> yes
[19:56] <phil_> Okay. I'm going to try reinstalling it now.
[19:56] <johnny77> ok, what are you typing?
[19:57] <phil_> I just put this in: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:57] <johnny77> just checking :)
[19:57] <phil_> lol. Understandable.
[19:57] <phil_> I need to restart, but I'll come back into here afterward just to feed any curiosity you might have as to how it went.
[19:57] <r00t4rd3d> how the heck you rename desktop icons ?
[20:00] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, you edit the .desktop -file?
[20:01] <r00t4rd3d> ive tried it all
[20:01] <bioterror> just a moment
[20:01] <bioterror> I'll make myself one
[20:01] <r00t4rd3d> lol , i cant believe its not as simple as right click , rename
[20:02] <bioterror> open with leafpad
[20:02] <r00t4rd3d> ahhhh
[20:02] <r00t4rd3d> wow thats stupid :D
[20:03] <bioterror> and change the Name=fooo to something
[20:04] <bioterror> technically if you choose from right click rename, it should edit the file ;)
[20:04] <r00t4rd3d> its doesnt
[20:04] <r00t4rd3d> tried as root an all
[20:05] <bioterror> yeah, that kind of feature is missing
[20:05] <bioterror> gilir, you there?
[20:05] <gilir> bioterror, yes ?
[20:05] <bioterror> you just need to edit that file
[20:05] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~% cp /usr/share/applications/singularity.desktop Desktop
[20:06] <bioterror> renaming that singularity to something else, needs tweaking the .desktop -files Name= -section
[20:06] <bioterror> is it possible that it could somehow to be done with right click and rename
[20:07] <r00t4rd3d> ru guys lu devs ?
[20:07] <bioterror> I am not
[20:09] <r00t4rd3d> hmmm , OCD , I renamed Chromium Web Browser to Chrome , but when I select it , the shaded selection box is huge like it still has the old name
[20:10] <r00t4rd3d> know what i mean ?
[20:10] <r00t4rd3d> ahh now it shrunk
[20:10] <r00t4rd3d> weird
[20:12] <r00t4rd3d> okay , nother stupid Q , whats the 12 hour time format ?
[20:12] <r00t4rd3d> googled , nothing.
[20:12] <phil_> Well, Johnny... Still the same results. Might just be glitchy on my system. I think that later I'm just gonna see if I can remove it and partition off some more of my hard drive somehow to install Lubuntu separately.
[20:12] <bioterror> %h:%M%p
[20:12] <bioterror> if I remember right
[20:13] <r00t4rd3d> LOL
[20:13] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[20:13] <johnny77> phil_: Sorry.
[20:13] <r00t4rd3d> it says jan:13PM
[20:13] <bioterror> yes
[20:13] <bioterror> as I'm european, I use 24h ;)
[20:14] <johnny77> phil_: That's weird. I wouldn't think you'd have to partition your HD for Lubuntu.
[20:14] <r00t4rd3d> Only ones in USA use 24 is the military
[20:14] <phil_> Yeah... Worth trying though. Do you know if partitioning part of the hard drive in Windows will affect the boot loader in any negative ways?
[20:15] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, http://linux.die.net/man/3/strftime
[20:17] <r00t4rd3d> wow , should it be this difficult ?
[20:17] <johnny77> phil_: I was looking up something about Ubuntu UE and it may because of it that Lubuntu is messing up.
[20:18] <johnny77> phil_: I'm not good with partitioning...  sorry.
[20:18] <phil_> Oh, really?!
[20:18] <phil_> What's the actual cause? DId you find that out?
[20:20] <johnny77> phil_: I'm not sure, but did a quick google search and found a page that says UE 2.7 includes Environments Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, but UE 2.8 only shows Gnome for it's Environments
[20:21] <phil_> YEah, I know. I have a copy of 2.7, but decided to get the latest. My mistake... I've had 2.7 in the past.
[20:22] <phil_> Might be a compatibility issue... Damn...
[20:22] <r00t4rd3d> bioterror, lol %R 24hour %r 12hour
[20:22] <phil_> Well, at least I'm getting some good answers. That would make sense...
[20:22] <bioterror> I use %H:%M
[20:24] <r00t4rd3d> so renaming an icon and setting 12 hour only took me an hour :/
[20:24] <r00t4rd3d> guess how long ive used linux :/
[20:24] <bioterror> 12hour?
[20:24] <r00t4rd3d> 12years
[20:24] <bioterror> :D
[20:24] <bioterror> I started too 1998
[20:25] <r00t4rd3d> thats about what year i started
[20:25] <bioterror> yeah, I did the math :D
[20:25] <phil_> Last year for me, and only off and on. :P
[20:25] <r00t4rd3d> stupid mandrake
[20:25] <johnny77> I just started a couple of months ago :)
[20:25] <bioterror> mandrake had some sort of package management
[20:25] <r00t4rd3d> rpm
[20:26] <phil_> lol
[20:26] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, I mean something like apt-get, not dpkg
[20:26] <bioterror> I remember how I was excited about Mandrake after using RedHat 5.2 and 6.0
[20:27] <phil_> Well, thanks for the advice, Johnny.  Probably gonna attempt partitioning my hdd later for a second time... Wish me luck.
[20:27] <bioterror> phil_, what are you trying to do?
[20:27] <r00t4rd3d> never used red hat , coundnt get it to install at the time
[20:27] <johnny77> phil_: See ya, sorry I couldn't help.
[20:28] <phil_> I'm running Ubuntu UE, but also would like the resource management that Lubuntu has to offer. Plus it's good for demo comparisons when trying to convince people to turn away from Windows or Mac. lol
[20:28] <phil_> But yeah.  Oh, and one last note. You did help. Kinda gave me some answers anyway. So, yeah. Thank you. See ya later.
[20:30] <bioterror> I bet that guy who makes the layout is a color blinded or something
[20:30] <Timo_> lol bioterror so true :P
[20:30] <r00t4rd3d> wow that is a horrible layout
[20:31] <bioterror> yeah the drop menu :D
[20:31] <bioterror> unreadable
[20:31] <Timo_> and the UE itselve
[20:31] <Timo_> the blue theme, I'd just say: I'm not attracted to it
[20:31] <Timo_> :DF
[20:31] <bioterror> hahahaha
[20:31] <bioterror> I dont want to say anything bad but
[20:31] <Timo_> blue+yellow+white
[20:31] <Timo_> :S
[20:31] <Timo_> "more eyecandy"
[20:31] <bioterror> maybe he should do something else than think about making "neat looking desktops"
[20:32] <Timo_> just take a normal Ubuntu and turn on the effects
[20:32] <r00t4rd3d> http://ultimateedition.info/Ultimate_Edition_2.8/8.png
[20:32] <r00t4rd3d> wtf is that
[20:32] <Timo_> oh wait, we're here in the support channel
[20:32] <Timo_> maybe we should tyalk in -offtopic :P
[20:32] <Timo_> r00t4rd3d: #lubuntu-offtopic nice channel to hang around :)
[20:33] <r00t4rd3d> aww is this chan as anal as #ubuntu ?
[20:33] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, hahahaha, 20th century just called to be and asked if I can send that desktop back to them
[20:33] <bioterror> s/be/me/
[20:34] <r00t4rd3d> i can see why i never heard of UE
[20:34] <Timo_> r00t4rd3d: well I don't know how 'anal' #ubuntu is, but well, it's just that this channel is being logged, and that some people don't like it when there is offtopic stuff between the 'useful stuff'
[20:35] <r00t4rd3d> if you said anal in #ubuntu = kick/ban
[20:35] <bioterror> I've invited r00t4rd3d to offtopic ;)
[20:39] <r00t4rd3d> oh i see why that dude in Tuscon went postal
[20:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70B5ZL20110112
[20:39] <bioterror> hey r00t4rd3d join #lubuntu-offtopic
[20:51] <Neosano> hello, I undecorated my browser window, how to decorate it back?
[20:51] <bioterror> chromium?
[20:51] <Neosano> no, minefield
[20:52] <Neosano> it acts like any other window
[20:52] <Neosano> what is the shortcut for that menu with Maximize, Minimize, Decorate and other buttons?
[20:54] <bioterror> lxappearance?
[20:54] <bioterror> nope
[20:54] <Neosano> hmmm? whaat?
[20:54] <bioterror> you want that openbox configuration manager
[20:55] <Neosano> noo
[20:55] <Neosano> if you right click on the top corner of any window there is a menu
[20:55] <Neosano> Send to desktop, Layer, Restore, Move and etc.
[20:55] <bioterror> yeah
[20:55] <Neosano> I clicked Un/Decorate button
[20:56] <Neosano> now I can't decorate it back, because it dissapeared
[20:56] <Neosano> I mean the top thing
[20:56] <bioterror> yeah
[20:56] <Neosano> so.. hooow? :D
[20:56] <bioterror> close it and start again
[20:56] <Neosano> that's how I always do
[20:56] <Neosano> but there's must be better solution :D
[20:57] <Neosano> there was some shortcut for this menu to appear
[20:57] <bioterror> yes
[20:57] <bioterror> when you move cursor to the edge of that window
[20:57] <bioterror> you can press mouse button 2 (right ;)
[20:57] <Neosano> ah to the edge
[20:57] <bioterror> and you get
[20:57] <Neosano> yeaah it worked
[20:57] <Neosano> lol :D
[20:57] <Neosano> thank you
[20:57] <bioterror> np
[20:58] <bioterror> it was too simple :D
[21:15] <bioterror> oh well, good night all ;)
[21:27] <Neosano> good night :)
[21:29] <kosaidpo_> hello guys
[21:29] <kosaidpo_> why eveytime i try to install sumthin it suggest me a bunch of packages how ican avoid this ??
[21:42] <AndrewMC> kosaidpo_: well what those other packages are dependencies, the allow whatever your installing to work
[21:43] <kosaidpo_> Andrewinfact it suggest me to group of packages hang on
[21:43] <AndrewMC> kosaidpo_: are you trying to install from terminal or something else?
[21:44] <kosaidpo_> yeh
[21:44] <kosaidpo_> look http://pastebin.com/KEV4ZN9Y
[21:45] <AndrewMC> well it will only install what it says "Will be installed:" the others are just what it is suggesting to install as well
[21:45] <kosaidpo_> so it ill be installed then
[21:46] <AndrewMC> only what is under "The following extra packages will be installed:"
[21:46] <AndrewMC> actually no...
[21:46]  * AndrewMC hits himself over the head
[21:46]  * kosaidpo_ LOST :P
[21:47] <AndrewMC> only what is under "The following NEW packages will be installed:" is what is going to be installed
[21:47] <AndrewMC> kosaidpo_: sorry that ^^^ is what i meant to say
[21:48] <kosaidpo_> AndrewMC: okies thnaks cus i hate this and to install bucnh of packages
[21:49] <AndrewMC> well all the ones that its going to install are the packages that allow what your installing to work... it is just listing them out for you
[21:50] <kosaidpo_> yeh i kn it need some dep
[21:50] <kosaidpo_> thanks
[21:50] <AndrewMC> no problem
[22:44] <mark76> Will there be any new themes/wallpaper for 11.04?
[22:44] <ChrisDruif> How do you mean mark76? For Lubuntu or Ubuntu in general?
[22:45] <mark76> Lubuntu
[22:47] <ChrisDruif> I don't know, I would however like it if there would be a theme similar to Ubuntu's :)
[22:47] <ChrisDruif> I don't know if you can take a Gnome theme and use it in LXDE
[22:48] <mark76> You can't
[22:48] <mark76> Completely different window managers
[22:49] <mark76> Openbox doesn't do round
[22:49] <mark76> For that you need something like Icewm, fluxbox or pekwm
[22:49] <ChrisDruif> It's only stacking window manager, I know...
[22:49] <ChrisDruif> LXDE uses Openbox by default?
[22:50] <mark76> Yes
[22:51] <mark76> Didn't you notice?
[22:51] <mark76> The Openbox Configuration Manager entry in the menu
[22:52] <ChrisDruif> I mean LXDE doesn't have it's own wm?
[22:52] <mark76> Nope
[22:52] <mark76> Maybe someone should write one
[22:52] <ChrisDruif> Which would be an awesome lightweight compositing wm, with stacking :P
[22:52] <mark76> See! That's the first step
[22:53] <ChrisDruif> I might give it a go someday....not now or this year :P
[22:53] <ChrisDruif> stacking should be tiling (A)
[22:53] <mark76> What about both?
[22:54] <ChrisDruif> Stacking is already part of compositing wm :)
[22:55] <ChrisDruif> Tiling not so much :)
[22:55] <mark76> True
[22:55] <mark76> Can you code?
[22:56] <ChrisDruif> A bit :)
[22:56] <mark76> Waht languages?
[22:56] <mark76> What
[22:56] <ChrisDruif> Java <_<" But want to learn Genie :D
[22:57] <mark76> I don't think a WM written in Java would really fit in with the Lubuntu ethos
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> I hate Java <_<" (hence that thingy :P)
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> But Genie is frinkin
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> ' awesome :)
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> It has a syntax similar to python (aka easy/clean) but compiles to C :D
[22:58] <mark76> Is it light?
[22:59] <mark76> Sounds good
[22:59] <ChrisDruif> It's blazing fast compiled :D
[22:59] <ChrisDruif> So yeah, a Genie WM would be LXDE/Lubuntu ethos right O:-)
[23:00] <mark76> That's cool :D
[23:00] <mark76> LXWM?
[23:00] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, but like I said...coming year I'll won't be using it..
[23:00] <mark76> How come?
[23:00] <ChrisDruif> That's what I wondered....why Openbox and not LXWM
[23:00] <ChrisDruif> using=coming
[23:00] <mark76> Because no one has written LXWM yet
[23:01] <ChrisDruif> Ow...it's just proposed? :P :D
[23:01] <mark76> Yes
[23:01] <mark76> By me
[23:01] <ChrisDruif> Ow....didn't know that :)
[23:01] <ChrisDruif> Good idea...what has no-one been working on it?
[23:02] <ChrisDruif> what=why...
[23:02] <ChrisDruif> Damn...too many beers :)
[23:02] <mark76> Because, I imagine, that no one has actually thought of it before
[23:04] <mark76> It took Gnome till about 2.2 before it got Metacity
[23:04] <ChrisDruif> Maybe everybody thought people were working on it? (Like I?)
[23:04] <mark76> I don't even know what version LXDE is on
[23:06] <mark76> If someone was working on a LXDE WM they'd have announced it somewhere
[23:06] <ChrisDruif> According to Wikipedia: preview 0.5.0
[23:06] <ChrisDruif> I might have a crack at it....now knowing nobody is working on it :)
[23:06] <mark76> See! Not even v.1.0 yet
[23:07] <mark76> Does your log in page have an openbox session entry?
[23:07] <mark76> Under sessions
[23:07] <ChrisDruif> Not using Lubuntu atm O:-)
[23:07] <mark76> Ah right
[23:07] <ChrisDruif> But I'd like to switch though.... :D
[23:07] <ChrisDruif> Lightweight FTW :D
[23:07] <mark76> What are you using?
[23:08] <ChrisDruif> Ubuntu/Gnome...
[23:09] <mark76> What's stopping you from running LXDE/Lubuntu alongside Gnome?
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, your right <_<"
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> Anyhow, look at this page: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Category:LXDE
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> They don't even mention LXWM :)
[23:10] <mark76> That's because I pulled the name out of thin air
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> (Offtopic: is the 76 in your name your year of birth?)
[23:11] <ChrisDruif> I like it, makes complete sense too me :)
[23:12] <mark76> Day and Month
[23:14] <ChrisDruif> 7th of June :)
[23:17] <mark76> Yep
[23:17] <ChrisDruif> (I curious by nature) Which year if I might ask?
[23:18] <mark76> 66
[23:18] <ChrisDruif> Alright....you are a bit older then ma O:-)
[23:18] <ChrisDruif> ma=me
[23:18] <mark76> Yes
[23:19] <ChrisDruif> Just to make it even, 29-06-1987
[23:20] <ChrisDruif> Do they discuss things like LXWM on #lxde?
[23:21] <mark76> Nope
[23:21] <mark76> No one's suggested that LXDE should have its own window manager
[23:22] <ChrisDruif> Except you :)
[23:24] <ChrisDruif> Well...there isn't a single wm that combines compositing + tiling ootb...
[23:24] <mark76> Early Windows did
[23:25] <mark76> Sorry, that was stacking and tiling
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Awesome has got Stacking + Tiling...
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_window_managers
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Ion and scrotwm
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> aswell...
[23:27] <ChrisDruif> Damn...just saw KWin has comp+tiling <_<"
[23:27] <mark76> Ah
[23:28] <ChrisDruif> But KWin isn't lightweight ;)
[23:29] <mark76> Well, no
[23:31] <ChrisDruif> So rewritten KWin, would that be a good idea? Or start from scratch and take coding ideas from KWin (among others) be better?
[23:31] <mark76> Start from scratch I reckon
[23:32] <ChrisDruif> Alright...
[23:32] <mark76> Especially if you're going to code it in Gene
[23:33] <mark76> Genie
[23:33] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, might be better I guess :)
[23:33] <mark76> What's LXDE written in?
[23:33] <ChrisDruif> I don't know?
[23:35] <mark76> C
[23:35] <mark76> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE
[23:36] <mark76> And GTK
[23:38] <ChrisDruif> So Genie would be nice (as it's compiles to C)
[23:39] <mark76> Should be
[23:41] <mark76> I'm about ready for bed
[23:41] <ChrisDruif> Me too...I'll throw it out on #lxde when I'm ready for it :)
[23:42] <mark76> K
[23:42] <mark76> Night Chris


[00:33] <stgraber> cjwatson: it should be automatic, I'll have to check the cronjob see if something happened
[02:35] <infinity> cjwatson: FYI, I've refreshed the raring buildd chroots (to help the rebuild test go faster, and just cause it was about time), and disabled the bootstrap sources.list snippet at the same time.  Will re-enable for S when we open it.
[02:40] <infinity> stgraber: I don't like the looks of that hung upstart build on ross.  Is the dbus-using-testsuites-that-don't-exit disease spreading?
[04:19] <infinity> Aaand, the archive is frozen.
[08:56] <cjwatson> infinity: ta
[09:15] <doko> there are too many builds hanging ... considering to call IS. aatxe, ross, allspice, aleya(?)
[11:50] <Laney> are we planning to unfreeze after the beta?
[12:15] <xnox> infinity: i had some funny hanging upstart build reports from fedora people =/
[16:15] <ScottK> Laney: I think not.
[18:20] <infinity> Laney: I'm with ScottK on the probably not, unless someone gives me a compelling argument otherwise.
[20:14] <iulian> /win 1
[20:15] <iulian> Something went wrong here.
[20:17] <Laney> infinity: ScottK: Yeah, I am too. Just wanted to check.