[20:55] <treydogg> before I get flamed.. I have googled, I have read the forums, I even made it work ONCE.. can someone help me with either mythbox or using myth:// my backend works PERFECT
[21:06] <treydogg> ok got  live tv and pvr clients how do I configure the mythtv addon?
[21:31] <treydogg> anyone in here?
[21:47] <tgm4883> treydogg, I have no idea what you want
[22:14] <treydogg> wiw ok I'm back
[22:15] <treydogg> wow
[22:15] <treydogg> before I get flamed.. I have googled, I have read the forums, I even made it work ONCE.. can someone help me with either mythbox or using myth:// my backend works PERFECT
[22:15] <treydogg>  ok got  live tv and pvr clients how do I configure the mythtv addon?
[22:15] <treydogg> I now have livetv shwoing but the log says ADDON: Could not locate XBMC_MythTV.pvr
[22:16] <treydogg> myth:// just shows ..
[22:16] <treydogg> but it does show the channels and guide
[22:16] <treydogg> working with xbmc
[22:16] <treydogg> beckend is working perfectly
[22:35] <treydogg> hey gibby
[22:41] <tgm4883> treydogg, that sounds like an XBMC error
[22:41] <tgm4883> you should probably be asking them
[22:48] <treydogg> yeah I think it is as my frontend works perfect... sigh oh well


[02:46] <SunStar> no torrent for Saucy?
[02:49] <SunStar> and why are you not keeping any of the money from merchandising? yall should at least take $0.25 per item
[02:51] <Unit193> Guessing Canonical rules, not turning a profit on their brand.  Should be torrents for releases, not sure if that includes betas or not.
[02:52] <SunStar> the article links to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ which is just ISOs
[02:55] <Unit193> http://torrents.ubuntu.com:6969/ nope
[02:56] <SunStar> k
[03:32] <SonikkuAmerica> SunStar: Nope, no torrents for 13.10 until its release. That's always been the case though.
[15:05] <brody> OvenWerks nice
[15:05] <brody> sry i had to go :)
[15:05] <brody> hi :)
[15:05] <OvenWerks> Hi
[15:05] <brody> oh you're here
[15:06] <brody> what can be used for vocal effects?
[15:07] <OvenWerks> Lots. Mostly lv2 and ladspa plugins which work in ardour, qtractor etc.
[15:07] <OvenWerks> or they can be loaded into a jack container.
[15:07] <brody> well probably I just need reverb, and I don't know if there's any app that can make harmony from just one voice, or one that if i record multiple voices, help me make them sound like a chorus
[15:08] <OvenWerks> like jackrack or lv2 rack
[15:08] <OvenWerks> At1 can probably do harmonizing
[15:09] <brody> really? great
[15:10] <OvenWerks> There may be others as well.. I would suggest joining the Linux audio users mailing list.
[15:10] <OvenWerks> There are people there who do a lot more with this stuff than I do. They would know the better plugins to use
[15:11] <OvenWerks> A lot of the people who develop this sw are there too.
[15:15] <brody> which one? linux-audio-user, dev both?
[15:24] <brody> any docs on how to create a jack container or how to load that into qtractor? doesn't seem to be under track -> plugins -> add
[15:24] <brody> sry i'm a noob :)
[15:50] <OvenWerks> brody: with qtracktor you should be able to use plugins directly.
[15:51] <OvenWerks> if you create a track (an audio track), you can open it's properties window and select the plugins tab.
[15:52] <brody> right, and there i click add and a window opens with lots of plugins
[15:52] <OvenWerks> select new and you should get a list of available plugins. You can choose the kinds of plugins
[15:53] <brody> but if it's's there i can't recognise it by name...
[15:53] <OvenWerks> It will take some time to get used to them and figure which ones are good and which to avoid
[15:55] <brody> there is one called autotalent, and one called z-1, but no "at1" or "zita-at"
[15:55] <OvenWerks> That is why I recomended the mailing list Just LAU should be fine. Unless you understand code if you want to join the dev list.
[15:55] <brody> well i can do some python, but this all this is probably C or worse :)
[15:56] <OvenWerks> There was a thread about good vs bad plugins this past month so you may find the archives worth going though.
[15:56] <OvenWerks> Making good plugins is not easy.
[15:57] <brody> good
[15:57] <OvenWerks> A lot of good programers won't even try. You have to have a very good understanding of audio theory both analog and digital.
[15:57] <brody> i joined LAU
[15:58] <OvenWerks> There is also the #opensourcemusicians irc channel you might use as well.
[16:01] <OvenWerks> I have not really spent any time there, so I don't know how good it is... I guess I should check it out :)
[16:01] <brody> dpkg -L zita-at1 doesn't show anything in the qtractor folder, maybe I should do something to see it in the plugins tab?
[16:02] <brody> i just joined as well :)
[16:04] <OvenWerks> I don't see it either, you may have to load it standalone and use qjackctl to route the audio through it external to qtractor.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> Then again maybe I just don't know where to look for it.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> try looking for autotalent
[16:11] <OvenWerks> I have heard of people using freeverb as a reverb, but I prefer the plate rever myself.
[18:24] <caodepalha> hi everyone. can i get some info on how to add new plugins to ardour?
[18:28] <OvenWerks> What kind of plugins?
[18:28] <OvenWerks> As far as I know, just install them with synaptic and they should show up in ardour next time it is run.


[11:05] <gatox> good morning!
[13:18] <mattyw> I get Service unavailable when trying to go to the Photos tab, anyone else get this?
[13:26] <karni> mattyw: hrm no, it's working for me. joshuahoover? ↑
[13:27] <mattyw> uploading from the mac client also seems to have stopped - not sure if the two things are related
[13:29] <karni> mattyw: You can wait here for a while, our support folks may pick it up from here. If not, please do notify about your problem via this form: https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/
[13:30] <mattyw> ok karni will do, thanks
[13:31] <karni> np
[13:32] <karni> chaselivingston: Maybe you'll be here sooner than Josh ↑
[14:07] <chaselivingston> karni: here
[14:07] <chaselivingston> mattyw: still around?
[14:07] <mattyw> chaselivingston, hi there
[14:07] <chaselivingston> mattyw: what's the email address associated with your account?
[14:08] <karni> chaselivingston: tnx
[14:08] <chaselivingston> mattyw: thanks, give me just a sec
[14:11] <chaselivingston> mattyw: try clearing your browser's cache and cookies, then viewing the photos tab again. i ran a job on your account from our end that should fix this
[14:12] <mattyw> chaselivingston, thanks a lot they seem to be back
[14:13] <chaselivingston> mattyw: great!
[14:13] <mattyw> what was the problem - anything interesting?
[14:13] <chaselivingston> mattyw: nope, not really interesting, just a common thing with folks that have as many photos as you do :)
[14:14] <mattyw> chaselivingston, I thought i'd chuck all my photos at it to see what happens :D
[14:14] <chaselivingston> mattyw: should be fine now, it's just rescanning all of them and generating the views
[14:14] <mattyw> chaselivingston, ok thanks a lot
[14:15] <chaselivingston> mattyw: no problem!
[16:47] <mattyw> chaselivingston, my photo page seems to have died again  - it seems to die at the same time as my uploads stop - does this make sense?
[16:50] <chaselivingston> mattyw: hm, interesting. might have to have someone look into that
[17:03] <mattyw> chaselivingston, do you want me to raise a proper support request?
[17:05] <chaselivingston> mattyw: if you don't mind, that would be helpful
[20:31] <Moscherkobold> hello everyone, is there any plan to buy a storage upgrade with an one time payment?
[20:38] <karni> chaselivingston: You might know the answer to that ↑
[20:38] <chaselivingston> Moscherkobold: could you explain what you mean?
[20:38] <karni> chaselivingston: not providing his CC I believe
[20:39] <karni> Moscherkobold: We wouldn't be able to renew your subscription without your CC.
[20:39] <karni> Moscherkobold: You'd like to upgrade for a month only or something like that?
[20:42] <Moscherkobold> karni: erm no i was asking for an possibility to buy permanent storage with an one time payment
[20:42] <Moscherkobold> i prefer one bigger amount of money instead of a monthly or yearly abo
[20:42] <chaselivingston> Moscherkobold: that's not an option that we plan on providing, we currently offer monthly and yearly subscriptions
[20:43] <karni> ah
[20:43] <Moscherkobold> for any buisness reason?
[20:44] <Moscherkobold> sorry just asking around :)
[20:44] <chaselivingston> Moscherkobold: it's just easier that way, we don't want to have to refund a large sum of money if you decide at some point in the future to cancel your account. further, we have no way to know how long you'll keep your account, and therefore how much to charge you
[20:46] <Moscherkobold> ah understand, sounds reasonable but maybe this is something you can think about for the future. i know a lot of people who are afraid of this monthly payment stuff
[20:46] <chaselivingston> Moscherkobold: to be honest with you, i don't see it changing :)
[20:47] <Moscherkobold> ok :)
[20:47] <chaselivingston> Moscherkobold: don't know of anyone who offers a payment structure like you're suggesting
[20:47] <Moscherkobold> yes just in case you want to be different then anybody else
[20:49] <Moscherkobold> thank you so far 5gb free is a very nice service
[20:49] <chaselivingston> Moscherkobold: glad you're enjoying it!


[14:21] <holstein> sorry for the 4 line paste here
[14:21] <holstein> BUT
[14:21] <holstein> 08:52 < raboof> so newer jack versions use /dev/shm instead of /tmp, right?
[14:21] <holstein> 08:53 < raboof> the realtimeconfigquickscan checks /tmp is a tmpfs (which is in-memory and thus produces lower latencies)
[14:21] <holstein> 08:53 < raboof> do you think i should remove the check for /tmp being tmpfs from the rtconfig quickscan script?
[14:21] <holstein> 08:54 < raboof> or are there still apps using /tmp for lowlatency temp files?
[14:21] <holstein> anyone know the answer ?
[15:40] <ScottL> persia, i did the aptitude update from maverick again but exluded the grub packages as well
[15:40] <ScottL> persia, besides an initial panic directly after the update it hasn't panicked again for almost ten reboots
[15:41] <ScottL> persia, i included this information in the bug report
[15:41] <ScottL> persia, i didn't include any apport-collect or dmesg information at this time though, not sure if it will be helpful
[15:42] <ScottL> i'm afraid that my comments in the bug report could have been a little more clear but i was rushing to get this done before the household woke up
[15:50] <ScottL> holstein, i'm not any help for your questions, maybe someone else will be
[15:51] <ScottL> and i'm really confused on one of the bugs filed against the ubuntustudio theme where he mentions that it is slow (redraws) and i can't tell anything from the screenshots either :(
[22:41] <persia> ScottL, Cool!  That means it's clearly either kernel or grub.  You might get better input from folk on the bug, but my recommendation would be to try updating grub while it's stable, and see if that makes it unstable.  If so, you can be comfortable that it's probably grub.  If it's still stable, you're in good shape to hunt kernel issues.


[00:10] <ubptgbot> Ricardo Rigsby was added by: Ricardo Rigsby
 @TotalSonic [A warning that Firefox performs poorly in UT - it is slow and clunkly relative t …], You are right I may not do it becuse honestly, Ubuntu touch is already slower on my Nexus device than Android that was there. But we need adblocker and spoofing basic functions in browser that is build in.
 I don't seem to be able to figure out cellular data
 [Edit] I don't seem to be able to figure out cellular data on my Xperia XZ
 I've entered in an internet and mms APN following the official tmobile us APN settings
 Have any of you run into apn issues before?
 Calls work great and it recognizes its on tmobile
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 [Edit] Calls work great and it recognizes its on tmobile. It also shows the L logo under cellular data
 @JDK2387 [You are right I may not do it becuse honestly, Ubuntu touch is already slower on …], uAdBlock available in the Open Store is a very effective ad blockerfor Morph
 @Sousapro [Calls work great and it recognizes its on tmobile. It also shows the L logo unde …], The L stands for 4G LTE
 Makes sense but I have no connectivity
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 @JDK2387 [You are right I may not do it becuse honestly, Ubuntu touch is already slower on …], [Edit] uAdBlock available in the Open Store is a very effective ad blocker for Morph
 Is this just the UI not having enough options for t-mobile since it's IPv6?
 @Sousapro [Is this just the UI not having enough options for t-mobile since it's IPv6?], I have T-mobile and have been able to connect to cellular data with no prpblem for Meizu Pro 5 and OnePlus One. Maybe someone with an Xperia can help
 @Sousapro [Is this just the UI not having enough options for t-mobile since it's IPv6?], [Edit] I have T-mobile and have been able to connect to cellular data with no problem for Meizu Pro 5 and OnePlus One. Maybe someone with an Xperia can help
 Could just be the fact that my device is barely supported right now. I guess I'll keep my eyes open and see if I can get it working later
 Would you mind sharing your apn settings @TotalSonic?
 Just trying to see if I missed something
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 ...detected automatically
 Nice
 Thanks for posting. Those are the settings I've set manually
 I'll try to reset APNs and see what happens
 and that fixed it lol
 That and a full power cycle
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 @Danfro [That could be avoided by not preinstalling terminal app. 😉], I made a bug report to put the update in the system indicator - it is there in the designs
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 @Boris Mihailov [Is it a common error that morph crashes when i try to paste something or is it j …], did you change the scaling of your phone? I think the issue is not specific to copy/pasting. The popups in the address bar crashes Morph which I believe is an old issue that happens on some scaling settings  For now you can use the co
[02:37] <ubptgbot> py/paste featue from the keyboard is actually easier to use 😉
 just to comment about legacy apps/libertine, I really think the issue isn't about libertine or the readonly rootfs. Once we have wayland and xwayland fully working and rebased to 20.04 then it'll be a lot easier to install normal "linux" apps either via libertine or perhaps repackaged as click. Libertine can of course use some improve
[02:41] <ubptgbot> ments like making it like it doesn't exist and just works as integral part of the system.
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[05:37] <ubptgbot> <Jony Bepary> Is there any way switch slot between a/b. … There's a project in Android and sailfish. I wonder if there's any project or way to switch slot in ubtouch.
[05:37] <ubptgbot> <Jony Bepary> @Jony Bepary [Is there any way switch slot between a/b. … There's a project in Android and sailf …], Project link: https://github.com/shoukolate/Switch-My-Slot-Android
[05:40] <ubptgbot> <Jony Bepary> Because in mi a3. Ubport installed in one slot and Android on another. It's pretty easy to migrate Ubuntu slot from android. But can't migrate from ubport to android.
 @Jony Bepary [Is there any way switch slot between a/b. … There's a project in Android and sailf …], you need to make sure your base rom has bootctl built in
 I might try making such app for ubtouch maybe
 Hello folks I am new to Ubuntu touch . Flashed it on my redmi note 7 . Seems good . Will it get OTA updates when they are released . Pardon if it is a silly question. Thank you in advance
 [Edit] I might try making such app for ubtouch maybe, although you can switch slot using commands as well
 You flashed GSI or system image?
 if GSI obviously no
 @mateosalta [I made a bug report to put the update in the system indicator - it is there in t …], I never use that indicator. That option there might be a good reason to do so. 😉
 are u talking about System Load Indicator?
 i use it always and without it i dont really know wtf is happening
 @just_carlod [if GSI obviously no], GSI . So we will have to flash new build when it becomes available again right ?
 yes
 @iminlovewith [are u talking about System Load Indicator?], I am refering to the system indicator where you have options like file a bug or open systema settings.
 Is there an indicator for system workload? 🤔
 @Danfro [I am refering to the system indicator where you have options like file a bug or …], ok cool
 anyone knows, where does cloud music app pulls content from?
 [Edit] does anyone knows, from where cloud music app pulls content from?
 @ItsMeShouko [does anyone knows, from where cloud music app pulls content from?], I am not positive about this - but quickly looking at the code it seems to use the http://www.vulgry.com/rapsody/ search engine to scan sites supported by youtube-dl for audio streams to be redirected.  Which of the following websites that youtube-dl can
[07:00] <ubptgbot> pull from are actually used I do not know - https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html
 @ItsMeShouko [does anyone knows, from where cloud music app pulls content from?], the source code is up at https://gitlab.com/johangm90/cloudmusic-qml
 Thanks
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 @ItsMeShouko [Thanks], code seems to refer to an unknown server http://app.jgm90.com/cmapi/netease/ as well
 I thought it's from the vk site. I think a russian site? but popular artists are mostly asian so I guess something asian based?
[08:34] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Javacookies [did you change the scaling of your phone? I think the issue is not specific to c …], Huh, true. Okay, thanks
[08:35] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Yeah, reverted to default setting and it doesnt happen, weird
 it is a weird bug. Not sure if it was fixed before and came back or wasn't really fixed
 @Javacookies [I thought it's from the vk site. I think a russian site? but popular artists are …], seems to be youtube as the teaser for luma ep showed up from youtube
[09:35] <ubptgbot> EversTerm was added by: EversTerm
 Hello! I recently installed Ubuntu Touch on my Meizu phone, all's working well, but the camera seems to have problems with the autofocus. It can only focus on very close objects, anything further away than 2 meters stays blurry even after touching the screen. The camera tries to focus when I touch the screen, I can see minor adjustment
[11:53] <ubptgbot> s happening, but the picture does not become sharp. Does anone have an idea what I could do? Is this the right forum for this kind of problem?
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[14:33] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> is it normal that apt update gives tons of errors in the GSI build?
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[15:19] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> how to enable the wireless display option in the gsi?
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[15:22] <ubptgbot> <Jony Bepary> @ItsMeShouko [I might try making such app for ubtouch maybe, although you can switch slot usin …], Giving a command will much appreciated ☺
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 @Jony Bepary [Giving a command will much appreciated ☺], bootctl set-active-boot-slot 1 && reboot … 0 = slot a … 1 =  slot b … also like I said earlier bootctl must be present in baserom, you might need to add sudo -s LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.....
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[16:30] <ubptgbot> Anu3B was added by: Anu3B
 Hello I am new to your group...... I am new to Linux distributions. I have been using Linux for two weeks. I have lot of questions. I will share  few questions.  Please reply, if you know the solutions . … 1) Linux mint drains power battery. How to stop power battery draining? Is there any drivers or softwares for it?  … 2) my laptop freeze
[16:30] <ubptgbot> s when I open fonts software from menu in Linux mint xfce?  But I can't find fonts software in software manager to remove and reinstall?  What would be the problem?  … 3) Which wine edition (stable vs development vs staging) will run windows softwares properly in xfce and other editions?  … 4) I installed windows softwares in my pen drive as portab
[16:30] <ubptgbot> le softwares?  Will wine run them or not?  … 5) Some said touch screen laptop won't support Linux mint editions. Some other said that I have to install touchegg package or it's similar packages to pinch and zoom the pages using fingers. Will they really work or not?  … 6) First I installed Linux mint cinnamon. I had trouble in running it. I complet
[16:30] <ubptgbot> ely removed cinnamon ( I thought). Now I changed into xfce. It is easy to use. But I saw switch user option ( I don't use windows or other OS). when I checked system information (inxi -b command)  It showed " Desktop : xfec4,  Distro : Linux mint 20 ulyana " . How to find and remove cinnamon OS completely? Reinstall xfce properly ?  … 7) I booted L
[16:30] <ubptgbot> inux mint xfce using uefi. I only want to use one os. What one is best legacy or uefi ? … 8) I want to install softwares in pen drive ( also in hdd) as portable softwares to avoid storage error in future? Is there any method?  … 9) I don't have nividia processor. I have Intel core 3. Where can I find, scan and install missing drivers for Linux mint
[16:30] <ubptgbot>   dell inspiron?
 @Anu3B [Hello I am new to your group...... I am new to Linux distributions. I have been …], This group is for Ubuntu touch
 It is related with mobile phones
 Thank you...
 @RealDanct12 profit! https://imjustpoorboy.nobody-loves.me/i/55f5.png
 this is laurel_sprout ci. i'm currently testing it.
 @Anu3B [Thank you...], Search for a Linux Mint forum
[17:39] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Hey, cause we don't have suzu here: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html, should I use the android-armhf-64binder.img ? … I want to try out anbox on it, just for the funzies :)
[17:57] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> nvm, I can see we don't need that img anymore, just use the one that we already have, I guess the libs are included?
[18:03] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> is it possible to use displaylink docks/adapters in ubuntu touch? the xperia 10 doesn't have hdmi out capability. DisplayLink works with an evdi kernel module
 not out of box at leasr
 [Edit] not out of box at least
 do you have such adapter?
[18:05] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> yes
[18:06] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> It's this repo: https://github.com/DisplayLink/evdi … "EVDI is a driver compatible with a standard Linux DRM subsystem. Due to this, displays can be controlled by standard tools, eg. xrandr or display settings applets in graphical environments eg. Unity, Gnome or KDE."
 I thought it still requires proprietary binary parts like in https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=displaylink
[18:08] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @t
[18:08] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] evdi is the backend
 https://displaylink.org/forum/showpost.php?p=81793&postcount=5
 it will be somewhat tricky to implement on hybris platform... what you probably need is to have Mir export rendered frame and then copy that to exposed DRM device
[18:10] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @NotKit https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/1883065-using-arm-binaries-on-raspbian-on-raspberry-pi
 won't help since we're not using Xorg or DRM
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> so it's wayland?
 Mir
 (but it can talk Wayland protocol recently)
[18:12] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> off-topic, but i think this might work on pinephone mobian...
 that's also Wayland
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> wayland seems to work on debian desktop with displaylink
 https://github.com/mlukaszek/evdipp
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 Is there a stable version for the device  … Redmi Note 7s?
 [Edit] Is there a stable version of ubuntu touch for the device  … Redmi Note 7s?
 You can try GSi
 and halium-boot for lavendar
 [Edit] You can try GSI
 [Edit] and halium-boot for lavendar (redmi note 7)
 @just_carlod [and halium-boot for lavendar (redmi note 7)], Yes  … I have seen a video in youtube which was uploaded 3 months ago  … And he was having some issues with blutooth and some other things  … Can they be fixed ??
 I don't know
 Ok Thank You For reply!
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[00:01] <knome> how often are the burndowns recalculated @ status.ubuntu.com now? :)
[01:10] <mhall119> knome: cjohnston would know
[01:28] <cjohnston> knome: 2h
[11:17] <knome> cjohnston, i thought there was at least 4h break last night, but what do i know ;)
[13:17] <cjohnston> oh well.. its not brain surgery
[14:31] <knome> ;)
[14:31] <knome> yeah
[16:40] <cjohnston> daker: ping
[17:01] <daker_> hello cjohnston
[17:01] <cjohnston> .
[18:43] <cjohnston> nigelb: mhall119 daker https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/open-graph/+merge/89602
[20:47] <dylan-m> Okay, hopefully xchat won't crash again… I'm working on a project that could really use a web service running under ubuntu.com's infrastructure. It'll likely be a cron job that runs every 20 minutes and a set of static json files (~30kB each) that will be accessed quite frequently. Is there somewhere I can look for setting that up? :)
[21:11] <cjohnston> dylan-m: what are you trying to do
[21:11] <cjohnston> it depends on what it is
[21:13] <dylan-m> cjohnston: Two things, actually: one is a proxy for a Twitter search that is shown in the installer slideshow (in case Twitter's API changes, and to avoid blasting them with traffic). The other is a source for translated images, also for the installer slideshow.
[21:13] <cjohnston> dylan-m: for ubuntu or a different flavor
[21:14] <dylan-m> cjohnston: For Ubuntu, specifically.
[21:14] <cjohnston> dylan-m: you should probably start with the people responsible for the installer slideshow
[21:15] <james_w> heh
[21:15] <cjohnston> hey james_w.. any chance you have time for some summit code reviews ;-)
[21:15] <dylan-m> That's me :P But I could chat with some Ubiquity people, come to think of it. They'll surely have some useful pointers, anyway.
[21:16] <cjohnston> dylan-m: it would be through IS.. you will have to work with them.. I'm wondering if Colin would be good to talk to as well..
[21:17] <james_w> hey cjohnston
[21:17] <cjohnston> o/
[21:19] <dylan-m> cjohnston: Okay, thanks!  Is that Colin Watson? Any guess how many fresh installs will happen within the first week or so of 12.04's release, btw? :)
[21:19] <cjohnston> Yes.. no idea
[21:20] <james_w> cjohnston, I've reviewed the ones I'm comfortable reviewing
[21:20] <cjohnston> ty
[21:35] <cjohnston> james_w: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/920171/+merge/89611 ;-)


[09:52] <jhallard> Thank you Canonical and partners for making Ubuntu!
[20:37] <lunarorbit> anyone out there ?
[23:22] <yao_> looks like im a little late


[02:12] <rick_h_> bwuhahahaha
[02:25] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/mitechie/status/334856626026725376
[03:53] <snap-l> rick_h__: Oh, that's nice.
[12:38] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:39] <brousch> yes
[12:49] <rick_h__> morning
[12:54] <brousch> This looks interesting http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2013/05/16/fractal-architectures.html
[13:05] <brousch> I guess it really boils down to isolate things that can be isolated then make them a service
[13:40] <snap-l> Suicidal Tendencies "The Art of Rebellion" is what I'd consider a perfect album.
[14:26] <jjesse> love it when people mess up phone numbers we are using Amex Travel for work travel and they were having issues w/ the online site so they told us to call<PHONE_NUMBER> for help
[14:26] <jjesse> problem is that isn't the right number for Amex Travel<PHONE_NUMBER>) is
[14:26] <jjesse> apparently that number is for "America's Hotest Chat Line" or something like that
[14:30] <snap-l> nice
[14:30] <snap-l> "So, no travel, but I have a hot date tonight." ;)
[14:42] <jjesse> yup :)
[15:10] <snap-l> OOMG SOMEONE FROM MICROSOFT WORKS AT UBUNTU NOW AND IS CONTROLLING THE PROJECT
[15:10] <snap-l> http://techrights.org/2013/05/15/ubuntu-and-microsoft-veteran/
[15:12] <snap-l> I hear most people at Canonical started at other jobs before Canonical too.
[15:12] <snap-l> SCHOCKING HORROR!!1!!
[15:16] <brousch> OMG he is going to Nokia Ubuntu
[15:16] <snap-l> Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22542222
[15:36] <jrwren> its funny, I think MSFT has released more open source software in the past few years than ubuntu has.
[15:38] <flipsidecreation> Are any of them particularly useful?
[15:41] <greg-g> jrwren: zing!
[15:42] <flipsidecreation> http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/directory.aspx
[15:44] <flipsidecreation> Bing for Ipone http://ibing.codeplex.com/
[15:45] <flipsidecreation> one of many not so useful MS open source projects
[15:46] <jrwren> teh asp.net stuff is pretty sweet
[15:46] <jrwren> the node stuff is pretty sweet
[15:47] <jrwren> the azure stuff is pretty sweet if you have to use azure :)
[15:47] <jrwren> http://www.asp.net/open-source
[19:50] <rick_h__> snap-l: heh, I'll have to try out a game or two. Haven't run a game in forever
[20:14] <rick_h__> snap-l: or anyone installed steam on ubuntu?
[20:21] <rick_h__> wtf, mitechie is taken on steam :(
[20:21] <rick_h__> never had that issue yet
[20:22] <brousch> Games?! We are not children!
[20:25] <jrwren> there is only starcraft2
[20:35] <rick_h__> hmm, not on steam here
[20:51] <jrwren> my boss just surpise got me a 27" apple thunderbolt display. moar pixels for me.
[20:51] <brousch> Did you throw it on the ground and tell him Apple is evil?
[20:56] <jrwren> no. why would i do that?
[20:56] <jrwren> i own a share of apple stock. its like buying a monitor from me. :p
[21:54] <jcastro> rick_h__: ping
[21:54] <jcastro> http://www.tombihn.com/backpacks/TB0110.html
[21:54] <jcastro> this is your bag right?
[23:04] <greg-g> snap-l: you're gross
[23:07] <snap-l> greg-g: You're welcome. :)
[23:08] <snap-l> I installed Steam on Linux, but haven't really used it since the beta
[23:30] <jcastro> jrwren: n0p: I'm doing a juju talk in about an hour at washlug
[23:36] <gamerchick02> how is steam, snap-l?


[01:26] <Noldorin> jelmer, hello?
[01:37] <jelmer> Noldorin: hi
[01:37] <jelmer> Noldorin: just got home, about to get some sleep.. what's up?
[01:37] <Noldorin> jelmer, sorry to bother you again, but at least it's just news :-)
[01:37] <Noldorin> good news, perhaps
[01:37] <Noldorin> i reproduced the issue from scratch
[01:37] <Noldorin> it turns out it's *not* to do with the renames
[01:37] <jelmer> ah, cool
[01:37] <Noldorin> or noy *only* the renames at least
[01:37] <jelmer> can you add some notes to the bug report?
[01:38] <Noldorin> the tests seem to indicate that the renames and modifications together create the problem
[01:38] <Noldorin> sure
[01:38] <Noldorin> jelmer, first recommendation to a solution is now to make sure that the 3 sets of operations are performed in the correct order: 1) addition 2) renames 3) modifications
[01:38] <Noldorin> will add some notes tomorrow. late here too :-)
[01:44] <Noldorin> jelmer, good night for now!
[04:48] <ricardo_sdl> I'm using bazaar version 2.3.4. Just copied the project folder from another computer and I'm getting this error message: bzr: ERROR: Unknown bzrdir format: 'Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1\r\n'
[04:48] <ricardo_sdl> I think it's probably because the bazaar on the other machined was a older version, how can I fix this?
[10:49] <Noldorin> hi jelmer
[12:04] <Noldorin> jelmer, well, let me know when you're around
[12:20] <jelmer> Noldorin: hi
[12:20] <jelmer> Noldorin: I saw your comment; do you have a recipe to reproduce the issue though ? (we already knew it had something to do with renames)
[12:22] <Noldorin> jelmer, well i provided more information at least :-P
[12:22] <Noldorin> jelmer, yes, I can post the workflow as a comment
[12:22] <Noldorin> will do so right now
[12:23] <jelmer> Noldorin: I mean how to reproduce it without using the ircdotnet tree
[12:23] <Noldorin> jelmer, well i've reproduced it in a different branch using the same files, that's all
[12:23] <Noldorin> jelmer, the key is renames *plyus* modifications though
[12:23] <Noldorin> *plus*
[12:24] <Noldorin> have you checked how your lib orders them?
[12:24] <jelmer> Noldorin: it's an independent test case (that we could add to bzr-git) that I'm after.
[12:25] <jelmer> Noldorin: the issue indeed has *something* to do with the order in which tree objects are created in bzr-git
[12:26] <Noldorin> well i'm happy with last night's discoveries, even if you aren't :-P
[12:26] <jelmer> sorry, I didn't mean to come across negative..
[12:41] <Noldorin> that's fine heh
[12:41] <Noldorin> i celebrate small victories :-)
[12:50] <Noldorin> jelmer, got to go now, but will be back later. keep me updated!
[12:50] <Noldorin> cheers, bye
[12:50] <jelmer> bye
[12:50] <jelmer> talk to you later
[17:35] <Noldorin> back
[21:12] <Noldorin> jam, hi there


[09:27] <elacheche> o/
[09:37] <nabdev> o/
[19:19] <elacheche_anis> o/
[19:21] <crack3r> \o
[19:43] <elacheche_anis> wassup!
[19:46] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: Do you use a cli based mail client?
[19:46] <crack3r> nope, web based only
[19:47] <crack3r> are there cli clients that are worth trying?
[19:47] <elacheche_anis> mutt is good.. sup didn't really use.. alpine I never installed..
[19:50] <crack3r> could you do things like reply, reply to all, forward and that kind of stuff?
[19:53] <elacheche_anis> Yep.. That's what a mail client supposed to do x) :D
[19:53] <elacheche_anis> I'm not mastering it yet.. Especially the config files, so now am looking to have more than one email @ configured on it..
[19:56] <crack3r> I see. I don't like using a mail client and I prefer web versions because I am usually behind firewalls that block smtp and pop/imap
[20:00]  * Na3iL is feeling happy
[20:00] <Na3iL> I thought for a while that am the only person here likes to do his tasks with cli based x)
[20:01] <elacheche_anis> I like to use GMail Webmail.. But I need to change that to a mail client, because I need to send a text file and the other server (bot) is blocking me becasue gmail convert the text files to base64..
[20:02] <elacheche_anis> loool Na3iL :D
[20:02] <elacheche_anis> "You're not alone" - MJ :p
[20:02] <crack3r> elacheche_anis: send it using telnet like a true hacker
[20:02] <crack3r> helo server
[20:02] <crack3r> mail from: xxxx
[20:03] <chaker> elacheche_anis Na3iL : You're not alone :p
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: That hearts :'( :p
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> I'll try.. Maybe the bot will accept it.. Thanks for the idea :p
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> haha chaker :)
[20:08] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: telnet won't work "You're going to have to base64 encode the attachment and create the MIME headers."
[20:11] <crack3r> elacheche_anis: what's preventing you from doing it? are you too lazy?
[20:13] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: the bot will reject my files because they'll be encoded using base64 :)
[20:13] <elacheche_anis> mutt don't encode attachements
[20:13] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: check this http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/email-clients.txt
 crack3r: telnet won't work "You're going to have to base64 encode the attachment and create the MIME headers." << where did you get this message from?
[20:20] <elacheche_anis> crack3r: stackoverflow :D
[20:22] <crack3r> Content-Type: application/text; name=myepicfile.txt
[20:22] <crack3r> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=myepicfile.txt
[20:23] <crack3r> \n
[20:23] <crack3r> myepicfile.txt content
[20:28] <elacheche_anis> OK.. Will try it :D
[20:28] <elacheche_anis> thx :p
[20:28]  * elacheche_anis is too lazy
[21:09] <crack3r> trop de monde ce soir, y a un meeting ?
[21:11] <elacheche_anis> y a rien crack3r :D
[21:12] <elacheche_anis> compte les bots :p :D
[21:12] <elacheche_anis> lunapersa: est un bot x) elle a oublié de fermer le client IRC avant de rentrer chez elle..
[21:14] <chaker> elacheche_anis: You forget to count me :'(
[21:15] <elacheche_anis> You're not a bot :D elacheche is not a bot too :D We just AFK ;) :p
[21:16] <chaker> te3jebni :)
[21:18]  * elacheche_anis GTG
[21:18] <nizarus> no chaker is a bot :p
[21:19] <volkovmqx> anis, any tips for making an ubuntu install party?
[21:19] <chaker> hhhhhhhhhhh
[21:20] <volkovmqx> we did one last year and it was not that successful. a lot of pcs have X crashed during installation, others couldn't boot
[21:20] <volkovmqx> i'm sure you know these things, any tips to follow ?
[21:20] <crack3r> volkovmqx: install fedora
[21:20] <crack3r> okjesors
[21:21] <volkovmqx> promoting fedora in ubuntu tn room is not good xD
[21:22] <nizarus> volkovmqx, crack3r ubuntu et fedora dont de la même famille :)
[21:23] <nizarus> volkovmqx, vous avez installé quelle version ubuntu ?
[21:23] <volkovmqx> 14.04 as i remember, mint 17.0 too
[21:23] <chaker> I think that the main idea of ubuntu-tn is to promote FOSS.
[21:24] <Na3iL> +42 chaker :)
[21:26] <nizarus> pour les pc récents il est préférable d'installer une version récente
[21:26] <chaker> But I do advice to install ubuntu for those who don't know anything about GNU/linux OSs. People later have their "best" distro, "best" wm, "best" editor...
[21:26] <nizarus> et toujours une bonne connexion internet
[21:26] <nizarus> pour accéder aux forums s'il y a des soucis
[21:28] <crack3r> volkovmqx: un peu de théorie avant de commencer l'installation pourra aussi aider: comment partionner, points de montages, besoin d'un espace swap, création d'utilisateurs, etc..
[21:28] <volkovmqx> okay, install ubuntu in dualboot with wintoz?
[21:30] <chaker> volkovmqx: c'est la choix de l'utilisateur. En fin de compte, c'est leur matos.
[21:36] <Na3iL> volkovmqx, why you don't use PXE (Preboot eXecution Environment, pronounced also pixie) for you install party.. You will need for a DHCP server on ur network
[21:36] <Na3iL> It is a geeky stuff x) :p
[21:37] <volkovmqx> good idea !


[00:50] <ahoneybun> how do I sign my package?
[00:52] <sgclark> debsign
[00:52] <sgclark> the .dsc file
[00:55] <ahoneybun> so debsign file.dsc ?
[00:56] <sgclark> yes
[00:56] <ahoneybun> secret key not available
[00:56] <ahoneybun> guess I don't have that setup
[00:56] <ahoneybun> I don't even have ssh setup
[00:57] <sgclark> yeah, yah need ssh setup and key on launchpad
[00:57] <ahoneybun> ok sgclark
[00:57] <ahoneybun> its so cool to get notifcations from my phone to my watch, and desktop :)
[00:59] <ahoneybun> sgclark: got my key on LP
[01:00] <ahoneybun> still same error
[01:00] <ahoneybun> g2g sgclark
[01:54] <ahoneybun> back
[02:44] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I'm making a gpg key
[02:51] <sgclark> ahoneybun: ahh yes forgot need that too
[03:03] <ahoneybun> ok got the key
[03:04] <ahoneybun> I can't even use the .docbook files in khelpcenter anyway so I don't know if I should bother at this moment
[03:06] <sgclark> sorry, what are you trying to do?
[03:07] <ahoneybun> sgclark: rebuild the kubuntu-docs package
[03:08] <ahoneybun> well it is built I believe
[03:09] <ahoneybun> I have a .tar, .changes, and .dsc files
[07:02] <ScottK> sgclark: Fixed.
[07:18] <soee> good morning
[07:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:39] <seaLne> ovidiu-florin: belated pong
[07:42] <ScottK> Mirv: So when do you figure Qt 5.4.1 lands?  I thought it was supposed to be on Monday.
[07:46] <Mirv> ScottK: week 12 was in the FFe, ie next week. it might make it this week on Friday still with luck. previous blockers have been solved, but calibre seems to be FTBFS now
[07:46] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[07:46] <ScottK> Did you point pitti at that?
[07:47] <ScottK> IIRC he's involved with upstream.
[07:47] <Mirv> ScottK: just did, since I only now did the rebuild
[07:47] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[09:32] <Riddell> hola chicos
[09:33] <soee> hi Riddell
[10:33] <yofel> sitter: patch for your kubuntu-docs repo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10579408/
[10:45] <sitter> yofel: you can push to it
[10:45] <sitter> scratches are just as world writable as all other repos ^^
[10:48] <yofel> ah lol
[11:35] <soee> theres no breeze icon for update notifier ?
[11:40] <Riddell> it just uses the system icons I think, which will be oxygen for an upgrade from 14.10
[11:41] <soee> hmm
[11:41] <sitter> Riddell: what's happening with kdeconnect dev stuff?
[11:43] <sitter> Riddell: also, you only fixed one of the missing sources in ktp-text-ui :(
[11:43] <sitter> 01:58:36 KCI-E :: E: ktp-text-ui source: source-is-missing data/styles/WoshiChat.AdiumMessageStyle/Contents/Resources/lib/scriptaculous183.js
[11:54] <Riddell> uh, another minified javascript that doesn't even say it's minified :(
[11:56] <sitter> Riddell: the fact that it doesn't have a .min. probably should be changed as well, otherwise I doubt lintian will pick up that there is a source version of it
[11:56] <Riddell> meh I can download https://script.aculo.us/dist/scriptaculous-js-1.8.3.zip but it's lots of files and I don't know which one(s) makes that one
[11:56] <sitter> which it seems to do for jquery now, rather smart
[11:56] <Riddell> sitter: well I told him about kdeconnect but I doubt he made the change needed, I guess I'll look into it again
[11:57] <sitter> I think he replied that it's needed for third party plugins
[11:57] <sitter> s/it's/they are
[11:58] <sitter> Riddell: scriptaculous is a combined version of all the files in the zip you linked
[12:02] <Riddell> "The .so files are needed for the daemon itself, so they are required.
[12:02] <Riddell> There is no current need to install the header files, though, unless
[12:02] <Riddell> somebody wants to develop a plugin that is not part of the core
[12:02] <Riddell> package."
[12:02] <Riddell> sitter: so I think we can tell it to not install them
[12:03] <sitter> eh
[12:03] <sitter> upstream says they are needed, how do you get from there to tell it to not install them?
[12:05] <sitter> apparently yuicompressor would be able to combine the js
[12:06] <sitter> that minifcation is slightly spooky
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <sitter> Riddell: now here's a question ... if you install the unminified jquery anyway, why minify at all?
[12:16] <sitter> 01:58:36 KCI-W :: W: kde-telepathy-text-ui: extra-license-file usr/share/ktelepathy/styles/WoshiChat.AdiumMessageStyle/LICENSE
[12:16] <sitter> Riddell: I take it that is not an issue upstream?
[12:18] <Riddell> sitter: ug
[12:18] <Riddell> that needs GPL 3 to be compatible
[12:18] <Riddell> and it's also not true, that scriptaculous at least is MIT
[12:19] <Riddell> jquery, goodness knows
[12:19] <Riddell> also MIT
[12:19] <sitter> best talk to mck I guess :P
[12:19] <Riddell> I don't think there's any special reason to minify on locally installed stuff
[12:20] <Riddell> even the jquery package in ubuntu has a .min.js which isn't actually minified
[12:21] <sitter> lol
[12:22] <sitter> Riddell: yeah, so I think it might actually be best to simply replace the minified versions with the full blown ones
[12:22] <sitter> then there's only the license issue left
[12:23] <Riddell> git log says "    This is based on the works of Seth Chisamore, originally
[12:23] <Riddell>     found at https://github.com/schisamo/hipchat-adium-message-style
[12:24] <Riddell> "
[12:24] <Riddell> so we could maybe ask him if can be relicenced
[12:24] <Riddell> or ignore it, it's not really a derived work
[12:26] <Riddell> yeah I say ignore it and just make sure it's documented in the top directory so packagers find it
[12:27] <Riddell> replacing the minified ones with the non-minified ones is just a matter of working out where the filenames need changed, which is faffy
[12:27] <sitter> grep xD
[12:30] <sitter> ah lol, me nub, the scriptfoo zip contains the minified version xD
[12:31] <sitter> ehm
[12:32] <soee> is it normal that baloo_file uses 25% cpu ?
[12:32] <sitter> Riddell: scriptalol.js isn't actually used it appears :O
[12:35] <Riddell> sitter: good point
[12:36] <sitter> Riddell: can you test the changes? my ktp is slightly broken right now
[12:37] <sgclark> morning
[12:38] <Riddell> hi sgclark!
[12:38] <Riddell> must be not yet morning for you
[12:38] <lordievader> Hey sgclark
[13:39] <sgclark> Riddell: sitter: I am trying to work on the libs renamed to 4 and it seems I can no longer push to git, did I miss something?
[13:40] <sitter> rebase
[13:41] <sitter> I just checked the file permissions on git.debian seem to be as one would expect
[13:42] <sgclark> rebase did not work, same error
[13:43] <Riddell> pastebin the error?
[13:43] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[13:44] <BluesKaj> soee, pong
[13:44] <soee> BluesKaj: check http://user-prompt.com/discuss-the-future-of-activities-and-virtual-desktops/
[13:45] <BluesKaj> soee, thanks
[13:46] <sitter> sgclark: ssh git.debian.org
[13:46] <sitter> and run groups
[13:46] <sitter> you should be in at least pkg-kde scm_pkg-kde
[13:46] <sgclark> Riddell: paste.ubuntu.com/10580118
[13:47] <sgclark> sitter: yep I am
[13:47] <Riddell> sgclark: turn it off and on again? (i.e. remove your clone and clone again?)
[13:47] <Riddell> it's what I often do when git gets confusing :)
[13:49] <sitter> drwxr-sr-x+ 191 apachelogger-guest scm_pkg-kde 4.0K Mar  3 11:53 objects
[13:49] <Riddell> the + could mean anything :(
[13:49] <sitter> that's where the group writable comes from one presumes
[13:50] <sitter> I will however say that other repos apparently have the group write set explicitly
[13:50] <sgclark> deleted and recloned and still rejected
[13:50] <sitter> sgclark: try now
[13:51] <sitter> kdegames4
[13:51] <sitter> that's why I don't like server-side copying fwiw
[13:51] <sgclark> that oe works now
[13:51] <sgclark> one
[13:52] <sitter> sgclark: mahjongg should be fixed too
[13:53] <soee> wtf
[13:53] <sgclark> yep, thanks for the help
[13:54] <soee> second time now when we have some updates to systemd, during packages configuration my screen is replaced with plymouth ..
[13:58] <Riddell> soee: yep that's the issue I get
[13:58] <Riddell> something doesn't like X being on vt 7
[13:58] <Riddell> I wonder if we should change the sddm package or config for that
[13:58] <Riddell> it might solve the live cd issue
[13:58] <soee> ah good to know im not alone :)
[13:59] <Riddell> soee: please report a bug on something
[13:59] <Riddell> but I've no idea what!
[13:59] <Riddell> maybe sddm
[14:00] <yofel> you mean X not being on vt 7 I guess? ^^
[14:00] <Riddell> right
[14:01]  * Riddell uploads kdeconnect 0.8
[14:01] <soee> so sddm it is ?
[14:01] <Riddell> soee: may as well blame that
[14:01] <soee> :D
[14:02] <yofel> well, sddm is responsible for X running on vt 1. But I do wonder what package would do a forced activation of vt 7...
[14:02] <soee> ill create bug
[14:03] <soee> Riddell: here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bugs ?
[14:03] <soee> i see the logout bug is also mentioned here
[14:06] <sitter> yofel: if plymouth is still running after X started there's something wrong with the sddm service lineup
[14:06] <sitter> plymouth is supposed to get shut down by the DM
[14:06] <yofel> hm, that too...
[14:08] <sitter> yofel: btw do you want some light reading material for this evening? I rather need some proof reading for a blog post ^^
[14:09] <Riddell> soee: yeah
[14:09] <Riddell> soee: which logout bug?
[14:10] <yofel> sitter: topic? ^^
[14:10] <soee> Riddell: we can't logout, it ends with black screen
[14:10] <sitter> yofel: using ruby rake rather than make for debian/rules xD
[14:11] <sitter> I got a bit bored on saturday おはよう;)
[14:11] <yofel> lol, I know close to nothing about ruby xD
[14:12] <sitter> no prior ruby knowledge required
[14:12] <sitter> https://apachelog.wordpress.com/?p=1332&shareadraft=55004d4a5dc40
[14:12] <soee> Riddell: please confirm / and change/update if needed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1430817
[14:12] <soee> sadly i had upgrade in PL so the log is also in Polish
[14:13] <yofel> sitter: until when do you need/want the response?
[14:13] <sitter> yofel: until tomorrow would be lovely
[14:13] <yofel> k
[14:14] <BluesKaj> if is sysemd responsible for launching apps formerly used by init, how can I launch system-settings with root permissions , kdesudo systemsettings in krunner no longer launches. I tried to launch it from /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ but it just errors out with "cannot find kde-init "
[14:16] <yofel> oh right, talking about logout bug
[14:16] <soee> Riddell: logout bug i mentioned https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1407152
[14:16] <yofel> what's a good way to find out why ksmserver doesn't want to quit on logout?
[14:16] <soee> ah wrr Alberto mentioned it shoudl be reported to sddm on github ..
[14:17]  * yofel doesn't believe that's a sddm bug...
[14:21] <BluesKaj> the reason I ask is when editing files as root the toolbar fonts are too small to read on this monitor and root permissions are needed to change their size
[14:22] <sitter> yofel: can be many things
[15:12] <sgclark> sitter: still around? I have an app here that wants kf5 libkdegames but it is not officially released right? or wrong?
[15:15] <sitter> sgclark: it's not as far as I know
[15:15] <sitter> sec
[15:16] <sitter> ./CMakeLists.txt:       find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED)
[15:16] <sitter> sgclark: 14.12 libkdegames is kdelibs4
[15:16] <sitter> which app are we talking about?
[15:17] <sgclark> ok, granatier wants it
[15:17] <sitter> oh oh
[15:18] <sitter> that repo is still fried apparently
[15:19] <sitter> interestingly enough my script reported it fixed
[15:19] <sgclark> kdelibs failure and it looks ugly...
[15:20] <sitter> sgclark: do note that kdelibs needs a patch for khtml btw, see packagers mailing list
[15:21] <sitter>  + 73c4f24...75afd31 kubuntu_unstable -> kubuntu_unstable (forced update)
[15:21] <sitter>  + 73c4f24...0de8967 kubuntu_vivid_archive -> kubuntu_vivid_archive (forced update)
[15:21] <sgclark> ahh ok, my mailbox is a mess :(
[15:21] <sitter> sgclark: granatier should be fixed .. git pull --rebase
[15:21] <sgclark> sitter: ok thank you
[15:21] <sitter> quite the mess that merging >.<
[15:21] <sitter> We're giving away free Trello Gold
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[15:22] <sitter> 'Share or Tweet to get a free month of Trello Gold, then add board backgrounds that reflect your style.'
[15:22] <sitter> pft
[15:22] <sitter> only one month
[15:22] <sgclark> so yeah I am still not clear on this whole merge process, what exactly are we suppose to merge?
[15:22] <sitter> sgclark: for apps 14.12 nothing because we don't integrate the stable branch
[15:23] <sitter> ideally the manual initial upload should be gone by summer
[15:23] <sgclark> ahh ok
[15:23] <sitter> then sitter can't screw up the merging
[15:23] <sgclark> lol k
[15:25] <shadeslayer> sitter: I have that too
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Re trello gold
[15:25] <sitter> don't take it they want to get you hooked on using porn pictures as backgrounds on your boards !
[15:26] <sgclark> lol
[15:27] <sitter> if gold or business class actually had worthwile features I'd totally throw monies at them
[15:27] <sitter> but with gold you get pretty much nothing other than custom wallpapers and custom emojis
[15:28] <sgclark> meh
[15:33] <sgclark> err gwenview somehow took over as my default file manager?!?!
[15:34] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh I got that too
[15:34] <Riddell> at least firefox seems to like gwenview now
[15:34] <sgclark> yeah
[15:34] <sgclark> firefox is it for me too
[15:35] <Riddell> InitialPreference=8 says /usr/share/applications/gwenview.desktop
[15:35] <Riddell> >grep Init /usr/share/applications/kde4/dolphin.desktop
[15:35] <Riddell> InitialPreference=10
[15:35] <Riddell> so that's fine
[15:38] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:39]  * Riddell runs  >ubuntu-build kdevelop vivid-proposed retry
[15:41] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get kdevelop-python uploaded?
[15:43] <sgclark> Riddell: ugh no, forgot, messing with this kde4libs patch. will do that now..
[15:43] <Riddell> sgclark: well I don't think ScottK has replied so you probably can't still
[15:43] <Riddell> sgclark: send it to me to upload or give me the .changes and .dsc to sign?
[15:43] <sgclark> he di, got a ping in irc
[15:43] <Riddell> oh cool
[15:43] <sgclark> did*
[15:44] <Riddell> sgclark: where's your backports?
[15:45] <sgclark> Riddell: sitting in my chroot broken
[15:46] <sgclark> Riddell: failed at the part where I test dpkg --install *.deb
[15:47] <sgclark> no point uploading if I cannot get past that..
[15:47] <sgclark> I have broken enough systems this month :)
[15:47] <Riddell> sgclark: it doesn't like kde-runtime being installed
[15:47] <sgclark> yeah
[15:47] <Riddell> something unhappy with katepart
[15:47] <Riddell> sgclark: what PPAs does your chroot use?
[15:47] <sgclark> I disabled them all
[15:48] <Riddell> maybe that's why it's unhappy, it has some stuff from a PPA and now it wants more
[15:48] <Riddell> these PPAs can be greedy
[15:48] <sgclark> lol
[15:48] <sgclark> maybe it is time to rebuild that chroot
[15:48] <Riddell> I can install katepart fine in my utopic chroot and in vivid
[15:49] <sgclark> ok. I will just rebuild that chroot then
[15:49] <sgclark> after I am done fighting with kde4libs..
[15:50] <Riddell> sgclark: anything I can help with there?
[15:50] <sgclark> dunno, my quilt does not want to see the patch. Probably me..
[15:52] <Riddell> sgclark: does QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches ?
[15:52] <Riddell> echo $QUILT_PATCHES
[15:53] <Riddell> is the patch in debian/patches/series
[15:53] <Riddell> ?
[15:53] <sgclark> oh that is empty.. where do I set that?
[15:53] <Riddell> I have  export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches  in my ~/.bashrc
[15:53] <sgclark> ok
[15:55] <sgclark> still no go
[15:56] <Riddell>  pastebin something, I'm working in the dark here :)
[15:56] <sgclark> I know. sorry
[15:57] <sgclark> bah, sorrted, sorry for the noise. I forgot to git add patch
[15:58] <Riddell> ah hah
[16:02] <sgclark> okies, kdevelop-python up, kde4libs patched up, working on new chroot now
[16:03]  * Riddell fluffles sgclark
[16:03]  * Riddell uploads sddm with minimum_vt set to 7
[16:04] <Riddell> just to see if it'll help with tomorrow's daily image
[16:04] <sgclark> rebased granatier uploaded
[17:55] <Riddell> sgclark: kdevelop in vivid :)
[17:55] <sgclark> Riddell: great thanks :)
[17:56] <Riddell> sgclark: no no, thanks you, all I had to do was run rebuild :)
[17:58] <sgclark> Riddell: do you want me @ akademy? if so should I request funds from ubuntu again?
[18:01] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh yes please :)
[18:27] <sgclark> valorie: ping.. kde is not listed on the lfnw website, you were going to have the booth there or ?
[18:28] <Riddell> lfnw?
[18:28] <sgclark> LinuxFest Northwest. Our neck of the woods linuxfest thing
[18:29] <sgclark> we are going together, I thought she said she was hosting a kde booth. I will be wondering around with my laptop showing off kubuntu plasma5 lol
[18:43] <ahoneybun> hey sgclark
[18:44] <sgclark> hey
[18:45] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I got the gpg setup I believe
[18:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm all nervous with the chance to go to Akademy lol
[18:47]  * sgclark fears the recommended accomodation
[18:48] <ahoneybun> the hotel sgclark?
[18:48] <sgclark> lol yeah last year tp was not included :p we did not find out till we got there, and really coming from the us one would expect tp when we arrived lol
[18:49] <ahoneybun> XD what the heck
[18:49] <sgclark> ikr
[18:49] <ahoneybun> guess should pack a few rolls just in case lol
[18:49] <Riddell> it was student residences not a hotel
[18:50] <Riddell> this one is more like a real hotel
[18:52] <sgclark> good lol, I plan on less suitcases this year.. that was awful lougging all those lol
[18:55] <Riddell> :)
[18:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: or anyone who is going to akademy, would share a room if i can go (to lower cost)
[18:57] <Riddell> I expeect my girlfriend to come with me, probably would be polite to share a room with her
[18:57] <ahoneybun> of course
[18:59] <sgclark> me and valorie will likely share
[19:02] <sgclark> Riddell: ktux is still no go right?
[19:04] <Riddell> sgclark: right
[19:04] <sgclark> :(
[19:04] <sgclark> k
[19:05] <Riddell> does that make you sad? are you in need of ktux?
[19:05] <sgclark> lol poor tux
[19:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: now that you've perfected your artwork skills on the banner how about updating the ubiquity slideshow for breeze and plasma 5?
[19:12] <ahoneybun> Riddell: just shoot me the links so I can get the sizes
[19:12] <ahoneybun> :)
[19:12] <Riddell> ahoneybun: apt-get source ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[19:12] <Riddell> (in vivid)
[19:13] <ahoneybun> I'm on the Beta so I got vivid :)
[19:14] <Riddell> yeah that's good
[19:14] <ahoneybun> Downloading
[19:15] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm using the Beta as a daily driver for goodness sake XD
[19:16] <ahoneybun> also check this out Riddell https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
[19:16]  * ahoneybun wonders why his internet is so slow
[19:17] <Riddell> too many people signing jeremy clarkson petitions
[19:22] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yeah, I see he did it again, this time he clobbered the producer
[19:36] <ahoneybun> working on it Riddell
[19:45] <ahoneybun> I guess KDE likes chrome better then firefox
[19:51] <soee> why ? :)
[19:51] <soee> try Vivaldi - super fast :)
[19:51] <sgclark> vivaldi?
[19:52] <soee> sgclark: yes https://vivaldi.com/
[19:53] <ahoneybun> seems dolphin does not like having 2 tabs
[19:54] <Sput> Riddell, ScottK: quassel-0.12-rc1 uploaded at http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-0.12-rc1.tar.bz2 -- this marks our UI/string freeze and should coincide nicely with Vivid's UI freeze tomorrow
[19:55] <Sput> not much change compared to beta1, but a bunch of bugfixes and a nicer password change dialog
[19:56] <soee> uh oh, ubuntu has new wallpaper :)
[20:05] <ahoneybun> oh Riddell should I change this link: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved to this: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute ?
[20:11] <ahoneybun> hey sgclark
[20:12] <sgclark> hey
[20:13] <ahoneybun> sgclark: how would I see the changes I made to the slideshow?
[20:14] <sgclark> ahoneybun: hmm, I have not actually touched that one as far as packaging. I am not entirely sure.
[20:14] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I changed the images, but it is all html
[20:15] <ahoneybun> but there is a dir with some css
[20:15] <sgclark> I am guessing you can point FF to the custom CSS?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun,  fwiw I like the first page /get involved, not as austere looking as a contents tree
[20:16] <ahoneybun> the html is in the base dir but the css is in a subdir
[20:16] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: the current link you mean
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, yes
[20:17] <ahoneybun> ok
[20:17] <BluesKaj> less geeky looking , but more appealing
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I'm just not sure how to see the changes though
[20:17] <sgclark> ahoneybun: look into firefox developer tools, you can import CSS
[20:18]  * ahoneybun found some js files
[20:19] <sgclark> hmm my laptop seems to be in a permanant dim state
[20:19] <sgclark> this is not good for a blind person like me
[20:20] <ahoneybun> I kept having dolphin freeze up on me
[20:24] <ahoneybun> sgclark: http://i.imgur.com/m5s62LY.png
[20:28] <pafurijaz> Hi, does anyone have the instructions to install the drivers EMGD made by Karl-Thomas Pietrowski on ubuntu 14.1, are a beginner, and I can't find instructions on how to do.
[20:28] <sgclark> ahoneybun: looks ok to me
[20:29] <sgclark> pafurijaz: I have no clue what that is sorry
[20:36] <pafurijaz> Come on, please do not joke. but I can't find where is thopiekar the developer, he has wrote on his ppa page "thopiekar on irc.freenode.net " but freenode have 16380 channels. He use kubuntu and  is a developer. sgclark have you some advice to me?
[20:40] <pafurijaz> Maybe I can find a way, I have to look in the channel if exits already launchpad.net
[20:41] <sgclark> pafurijaz: hmm I did not intend to joke. Let me see what I can find.. sorry
[20:42] <sgclark> pafurijaz: the instructions are on this page: https://launchpad.net/~thopiekar/+archive/ubuntu/emgd you can also send them a message through launchpad.
[20:44] <ahoneybun> pafurijaz: he is in the berlin timezone so he might be out
[20:44] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion quassel 0.12-rc1
[20:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yes please change the link
[20:44] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1431008
[20:45] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I also changed the background but I don't know how to view it with the background
[20:46]  * Riddell neither
[20:50] <ahoneybun> Riddell: new: http://imgur.com/KTla3zq old: http://imgur.com/UgfEaWD
[20:50] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks lovely
[20:51] <ahoneybun> I need to see how well the text is readable
[20:51] <pafurijaz> ahoneybun: Ok thank to all i try on lunchpad.
[20:51] <pafurijaz> Thanks sgclark but unfortunately not enough to add the repository and install, I tried several times but messes everything
[20:55] <mparillo> ahoneybun: On http://i.imgur.com/m5s62LY.png have the Appearance Preferences been changed to Application Style? And is choosing fonts by Application still supported in System Settings?
[21:12] <sgclark> Riddell: well kdepim and kdepim-runtime have a pretty spectacular FTBFS. something with akonadi.. wonder if there was a new release..
[21:16] <sgclark> hmm nope
[21:20] <Riddell> sgclark: is it in a ppa?
[21:21] <sgclark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7051498
[21:22] <sgclark> this line /usr/include/kabc/addressee.h:42:30: fatal error: kabc/calendarurl.h: No such file or directory
[21:22] <sgclark> would be the key
[21:27] <Riddell> https://i199937078.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/199937078/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.kdepimlibs_4%3A4.14.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz?token=GtkLSrKVgrRfWX1Wqr9xTRzw1bgXztNz
[21:28] <Riddell> sgclark: see [21:28] <Riddell> oh well bad url
[21:28] <sgclark> No such resource
[21:28] <Riddell> but you can find it in kubuntu-ninjas
[21:28] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kdepimlibs&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[21:28] <Riddell> need those new files added
[21:29] <sgclark> ahh ok, those are not on our colorful log, missed it, thanks
[21:32] <Riddell> something to do with the different versioned ones being handled differently
[21:34] <Riddell> prth: I merged 1 patch, the other had an issue.  well done on getting them though
[21:58] <prth> Riddell, thanks. could you please tell me about the issue?
[21:59] <sgclark> Riddell: print-manager also has an identity crisis but I just notice you last used a git snampshot and this is in kubuntu_vivid_archive. Which is all kf5
[22:02] <ahoneybun> Hola
[22:03] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'll upload my changes to a branch and propose a merge later today
[22:05] <ahoneybun> Hey valorie
[22:12] <prth> Riddell, i got the issue
[22:16] <Riddell> sgclark: oh ignore print-manager then, we'll stay with the git snapshot
[22:16] <Riddell> thanks ahoneybun
[22:16] <Riddell> prth: lovely :)
[22:16] <Riddell> prth: there's been a couple of other enquirers but so far none have shown anything practical like you have
[22:16] <ahoneybun> Np Riddell
[22:19] <prth> Riddell, i just started working on Bug #769669, ahoneybun was having. so i'll send both the patches together :)
[22:19] <ahoneybun> :)
[22:20] <Riddell> ooh good luck
[22:20] <prth> Riddell, sorry wrong number it's Bug 1428877
[22:20] <prth> Riddell, thanks :)
[22:22] <Sput> Riddell, ScottK: turns out that 0.12-rc1 may fail to build on Ubuntu, which unfortunately only showed up when mamarley's PPA was triggered... neither the dev boxes, nor mamarley's own machine, nor the Travis CI caught that one
[22:22] <Sput> you may have to apply https://github.com/quassel/quassel/commit/32c0bb666209932d7540c22ddc393fd4550d5418
[22:25] <Riddell> Sput: good to include some randomness
[22:26] <Sput> heh
[22:26] <Sput> it's for generating better password hashes
[22:54] <sgclark> hmm dolphin does appear to be locking up for me too
[22:54] <ahoneybun> sgclark: right?
[22:56] <sgclark> yikes, yeah this is bad, hmm
[22:56] <yofel> strace might tell you what it's hanging on
[22:57] <sgclark> k
[23:08] <valorie> Weird, I'll get in touch with lfnw - filled out the table form over a month ago
[23:25] <ahoneybun> Hello valorie
[23:32] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[23:33] <ahoneybun> The installer slideshow is getting some much needed work done valorie
[23:33] <valorie> so I just saw
[23:33] <valorie> thank you for doing that
[23:35] <ahoneybun> Np
[23:35] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu was asking me questions about akademy
[23:36] <ahoneybun> Maybe Riddell and you valorie could speak for me?
[23:37] <valorie> what questions? can you send me an email about it? or better yet, send to kubuntu-devel if it is not personal/sensitive
[23:38] <ahoneybun> Yea ill send you a email valorie once i get once i get home as it is on the home pc
[23:54] <Riddell> http://lwn.net/Articles/635613/
[23:55] <Riddell>     http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/635880/a9b3bd388f21a263/
[23:55] <Riddell> 10th anniversary
[23:56] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeee
[23:56] <valorie> put it on the Wire!
[23:56]  * valorie goes off to dinner


[14:16] <cjohnston> mhall119: {% block title %}{% block page_name %}{% trans "Home" %}{%endblock %} | {% trans "Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal" %}{% endblock %}
[14:17] <AlanBell> oooh
[15:25] <mhall119> Summit:
[15:25] <mhall119> 20:22 <mhall119> right, I just want to make sure we work on them in order of priority
[15:25] <mhall119> 20:22 <joey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/765031
[15:25] <mhall119> 20:22 <joey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/779833
[15:25] <mhall119> 20:22 <joey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/781693
[15:25] <mhall119> 20:22 <joey> top 3
[15:25] <mhall119> Loco Directory:
[15:25] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bugs?field.tag=ltp
[15:32] <cjohnston> nigelb: ! wtf
[15:32] <nigelb> what?
[15:32] <cjohnston> NO DINNER
[15:32] <nigelb> FO.
[15:32] <cjohnston> I'm putting that on FB for your mom to see
[15:33] <mhall119> lol
[15:33] <mhall119> caption the picture of him drinking with that
[15:33] <cjohnston> with the drinking picture
[15:33] <nigelb> the interwebs has pictures of me drinking
[15:33] <nigelb> so no big deal now :D
[15:35] <cjohnston> nigel, can you do bug 779833
[15:36] <nigelb> yeah, I got that.
[15:36] <cjohnston> ty
[15:37] <cjohnston> we are thinking maybe a url to clear the cache with a link that is displayed in top nav to "Clear Cache"
[15:37] <cjohnston> as well as when something is changed
[15:37] <nigelb> adding the url is easy
[15:37] <nigelb> the latter one isn't
[15:37] <nigelb> we use a very low level cache funtion
[15:37] <nigelb> *function
[15:38] <cjohnston> that way cache is automagically cleared and manually clearable
[15:39] <mhall119> nigelb: there should be a way to just nuke the entire cache and start over
[15:39] <nigelb> mhall119: Oh, you want to nuke the cache with changes?
[15:40] <nigelb> Does Django have postSave hooks or something?
[15:40] <nigelb> Excellent, it does.
[15:41] <nigelb> mhall119: how about creating a utility function to nuke complete cache, and calling it on click of the button or something critical to the schedule changes.
[15:41] <nigelb> mhall119: I may also skip working on anything tonight.
[15:41] <nigelb> I have a bad headache.
[15:42] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/revision/131
[15:51] <cjohnston> nigelb: mhall119 http://pad.ubuntu.com/RefjlPq8rG
[15:54] <cjohnston> jcastro: did you see dholbach is in charge of this UDS?
[15:56] <nigelb> He is.
[15:56] <nigelb> Like, everyone knowsit.
[15:57] <cjohnston> huh
[15:57] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah, I'm on ensembler
[15:57] <jcastro> without the r of course
[15:57] <cjohnston> jcastro: can you go to that pad please for your experience
[15:58] <cjohnston> joey: http://pad.ubuntu.com/RefjlPq8rG
[15:59] <cjohnston> nigelb: we just talked about putting a "My Schedule" where the "My Teams" goes, that will display an agenda schedule for the user.. thoughts?
[15:59] <cjohnston> james_w: thanks for joinign the pad
[15:59] <cjohnston> please join back james_w !
[15:59] <james_w> heh
[16:00] <nigelb> lol
[16:00] <nigelb> mhall119: did you re-review my summit MP?
[16:03] <mhall119> the % one?
[16:04] <nigelb> ya!
[16:07] <mhall119> no
[16:08] <cjohnston> joey: anything else?
[16:09] <nigelb> joey: cjohnston and are setting up Summit Inc so you can just pay us to fix summit :P
[16:09] <cjohnston> +2
[16:09] <joey> on a conf call right now. Be with you in 60 mins
[16:13] <cjohnston> james_w: thoughts?
[16:13] <nigelb> He's probably on the same call ;)
[16:14] <james_w> looks ok to me
[16:14] <james_w> I wonder about the conflict resolution part given that I think some of it is done in javascript?
[16:15] <cjohnston> nigelb: ?
[16:15] <cjohnston> thats your field
[16:15] <joey> not on same call :-)
[16:15] <nigelb> james_w: Well, the easy trick is to not let people edit on that page.
[16:15] <nigelb> so, the javascript bits are taken care of
[16:15] <james_w> edit on which page?
[16:16] <nigelb> OH FUU
[16:16] <nigelb> Sorry, mixed up with something
[16:16] <nigelb> I'll have to look at the javascript code
[16:16] <nigelb> Keybuk's code. God save me.
[16:16] <cjohnston> not letting people edit on what page?
[16:16] <nigelb> cjohnston: No, I take that back, I was wrong.
[16:44] <cjohnston> nigelb: mhall119 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494160/summit.db
[16:47] <cjohnston> nigelb: mhall119 https://code.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/private-rooms
[16:58] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: http://ec2-50-16-133-193.compute-1.amazonaws.com/
[16:58] <mhall119> is running trunk
[17:02] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[17:02] <jcastro> yo
[17:02] <mhall119> jcastro: what's your preferred shell username?
[17:02] <jcastro> jorge
[17:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/private-rooms/+merge/73856
[17:05] <cjohnston> mhall119: ack: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/char/+merge/73858
[17:32] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: jcastro: django admin for the ec2 is root/password
[17:52] <cjohnston> joey: mhall119 https://code.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/private-rooms/+merge/73856
[17:53] <joey> thanks
[17:53] <cjohnston> not totally done
[17:53] <cjohnston> but a good start
[17:53] <joey> btw, I'm on with james_w and we're going through the larger list of Linaro items and getting priorities and such assigned to them
[17:53] <joey> I think james_w will communicate those over. mhall119 had asked us for this yesterday
[17:54] <cjohnston> ya
[17:54] <cjohnston> dont go getting too many more without getting some developers
[17:55] <cjohnston> ;-)
[18:10] <joey> cjohnston, nigelb, mhall119 - ok looking at the Pad now
[18:11] <joey> First question:  From the patch, I don't see where the private room will not display on the list of rooms
[18:11] <joey> did I just miss that?
[18:11] <cjohnston> that is already in production
[18:11] <joey> k
[18:12] <joey> the only other immediate comment is on the last todo bullet point:   we need the ability for people who are attending meetings in private rooms to be able to see that both when they look at their own schedule but also via the ical, etc.
[18:13] <cjohnston> i dont think that we have personalized icals
[18:14] <joey> sure we do
[18:14] <joey> http://summit.linaro.org/uds-o/participant/joey.ical
[18:14] <joey> and
[18:14] <joey> Hide talks that aren't for me
[18:15] <joey> So end user experience is that a person who must attend a private meeting will see that meeting in the ical as well as when they look at the day view
[18:15] <cjohnston> the hide talks that arent for me page will not display private rooms
[18:15] <joey> I suspect the day view is hard to fix
[18:15] <joey> but the ical should be easier
[18:16] <cjohnston> where do you find a link to your ical?
[18:19] <cjohnston> huh.. i didnt know we had that, but still dont know where its linked from joey
[18:20] <cjohnston> Daviey: ping
[18:20] <cjohnston> not about icals Daviey
[18:29] <cjohnston> joey: anything else?
[18:35] <joey> cjohnston: nothing atm
[18:39] <cjohnston> k
[18:44] <Daviey> cjohnston: hey
[18:48] <Daviey> Hey joey, good to see some linaro love for soummit! :)
[18:53]  * daker  is not jamming
[18:54] <cjohnston> Daviey: http://pad.ubuntu.com/RefjlPq8rG
[18:55] <cjohnston> can you help explain the autoscheduler and the conflict resolution thing for me a little to make sure that the first little bullet point and the second big bullet point are both correct?
[18:57] <Daviey> cjohnston: Sort of driving at the moment.
[18:57] <cjohnston> ok.. at some point soon hopefully/
[18:59] <Daviey> sure thing!
[19:01] <cjohnston> ty
[19:01] <mhall119> cjohnston: personalized icals can only be access while logged in, which means you can't have thunderbird or evolution updating from them, which makes them significantly less useful
[19:02] <mhall119> cjohnston: I think we can generate some very hard to guess hashes and use them to allow unauthenticated access to the ical, like how google calendar does
[19:02] <cjohnston> joey: ^
[19:03] <mhall119> so it'd be something like http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/participant/joey_a5e1313aa28abc1f7f0942aab59a8e8a.ical
[19:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: jamalta http://pad.ubuntu.com/hdMZvfrHZa
[19:03] <mhall119> and only the user ever seens that generated hash
[19:03] <mhall119> and it's his responsibility to keep it private
[19:05] <joey> mhall119: cjohnston the current desire is to use them for personal gcals
[19:06] <cjohnston> mhall119: can you join that pad please and help me out a little
[19:06] <mhall119> joey: you mean import them into google calendar?
[19:07] <mhall119> cjohnston: which pad?
[19:07] <cjohnston> 15:03:39
[19:08] <mhall119> UTC?
[19:08] <cjohnston> est
[19:08] <cjohnston> 15.03.39 < cjohnston> mhall119: jamalta http://pad.ubuntu.com/hdMZvfrHZa
[19:09] <mhall119> cjohnston: creating meetings is done through the django admin
[19:09] <mhall119> or automatically from the launchpad api
[19:09] <joey> mhall119: yeah google cal
[19:09] <mhall119> same with editing
[19:09] <mhall119> joey: will google calendar keep checking it for updates?
[19:10] <joey> mhall119: in the past you had to force it
[19:10] <joey> mhall119: but on Monday of UDS I don't care
[19:10] <mhall119> well the schedule changes during the week, so you might
[19:10] <joey> I have a schedule at that point
[19:10] <mhall119> heck, the schedule changes during the *day*
[19:11] <mhall119> cjohnston: why are you making an interface to add meetings?
[19:11] <cjohnston> to create private meetings easier than in admin
[19:11] <mhall119> marriana and michelle already know how to do that in /admin/
[19:13] <cjohnston> there was talk about wanting to allow others to create meetings too
[19:13] <mhall119> cjohnston: let's just worry about the scheduling parts first
[19:13] <cjohnston> ok
[19:13] <mhall119> that part isn't a necessity
[19:13] <cjohnston> well.. as of right now, there is no ability to have a "private" meeting
[19:13] <mhall119> and probably won't even be allowed this cycle anyway
[19:13] <cjohnston> other than calling it private
[19:14] <cjohnston> so i do need to add that ability
[19:14] <mhall119> private meetings aren't in the public ical, and their details are hidden in the schedule view
[19:14] <cjohnston> there is no such thing as a private meeting afaik..just a private room
[19:14] <mhall119> private meetings have been in the codebase for a while
[19:14] <mhall119> they came before private rooms
[19:25] <james_w> hey, so how do I make a new db migration for summit?
[19:26] <mhall119> are you working against trunk or 1.x?
[19:27] <mhall119> well, either way it's ./manage.py schemamigration $app $migration_name --auto
[19:28] <james_w> thanks
[19:28] <james_w> and is there a test suite that I can hook anything in to
[19:28] <james_w> ?
[19:29] <mhall119> james_w: ./manage.py test $app
[19:30] <james_w> yeah, but is there one for any part of summit?
[19:32] <cjohnston> mhall119: where is the code for defining a meeting as private
[19:32] <mhall119> summit/schedule/tests.py and summit/sponsor/tests.py
[19:33] <mhall119> cjohnston: cjohnston meetingmodels.py:92
[19:33] <cjohnston> ok
[19:33] <cjohnston> now are private meetings displayed then i guess on the edit page?
[19:34] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/private-rooms/+merge/73856
[19:34] <mhall119> and also on the read-only page, but their details are hidden
[19:34] <cjohnston> ok
[19:35] <cjohnston> so we may need to unhide the details for schedulers so that they know what they are looking at
[19:35] <cjohnston> i assume that its possible for them to add people to the meeting?
[19:36] <cjohnston> We need to get with Daviey about the autoscheduler and the conflict resolution thing to see what we need to do with them
[19:36] <cjohnston> and we need to somehow display to users that they are scheduled for a private meeting
[19:36] <james_w> I don't believe it's possible to add people to meetings at all currently
[19:36] <james_w> I've only been able to find that you can add the drafter, assignee etc. in the meeting admin page, but that's not sufficient
[19:37] <mhall119> james_w: we can register people as being necessary participants in a meeting
[19:37] <james_w> where's that done?
[19:38] <mhall119> james_w: through the Participants model
[19:38] <cjohnston> participants
[19:38] <mhall119> I'm not sure if there's a UI for it other than tha django admin
[19:38] <mhall119> I think it pull some of that data from launchpad
[19:38] <cjohnston> mhall119: fire up a working copy of summit please and try adding a meeting.. I keep coming up with "Meeting Model"
[19:38] <cjohnston> sorry.. "Meeting object"
[19:39] <james_w> ah, ok
[19:39] <james_w> that's rather heavyweight, but at least it is there
[19:41] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/765031/comments/2
[19:48] <cjohnston> mhall119: do you think you can work on the My Schedule thing?
[19:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: you mean displaying private meetings on the schedule for people participating in them?
[19:49] <cjohnston> yes...
[19:49] <cjohnston> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/839780
[19:50] <cjohnston> jussi: what happened to the bug bot
[19:56] <mhall119> cjohnston: yeah, I can work on that
[20:02] <mhall119> needs a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/fixes-647131/+merge/73882
[20:02] <mhall119> cjohnston: are any of your branches ready for a review to land in trunk?
[20:06] <cjohnston> mhall119: ya.. the one ive been working on all day
[20:08] <james_w> are others seeing a problem with get_edit_link_to_pad ?
[20:08] <cjohnston> whats wrong with it
[20:08] <cjohnston> or whats the problem
[20:09] <james_w> the indentation looks wrong
[20:09] <james_w> so it's stopping e.g. try_schedule from being a method on Meeting
[20:09] <james_w> once I changed that then it gave an error about '/' not being a valid format character
[20:10] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/680833/
[20:14] <james_w> I'm wondering if we should change the cache to invalidate everything on any change?
[20:14] <james_w> at the moment is just invalidates that meeting when it changes
[20:15] <james_w> but for instance, it won't invalidate the cache of a meeting that now has all of its participants available
[20:15] <james_w> perhaps we can write code to invalidate all the right meetings, but I'm not sure
[20:15] <james_w> maybe everything in the old and new slots?
[20:16] <mhall119> james_w: what is meeting.is_linaro?
[20:16] <mhall119> I don't see that on the model definition, but it's being checked in render.py
[20:17] <james_w> schedule/models/meetingmodel.py:153:    def is_linaro(self):
[20:17] <mhall119> ah, yes, your get_edit_link_to_pad indentation problem caused it to not be part of the model
[20:17] <mhall119> fixed
[20:18] <james_w> we might be able to remove is_linaro this time
[20:18] <james_w> I'm not sure yet though
[20:19] <james_w> https://docs.google.com/a/linaro.org/document/d/1Wf-nvVi2tehn3em5FT1XIS_rdEsDM882XzhzA7FY0oA/edit?hl=en_US
[20:35] <jussi> cjohnston: no idea, ask jpds
[20:41] <mhall119> cjohnston: can you  approve https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/fixes-647131/+merge/73882 please
[20:47] <jpds> jussi: wut.
[20:47] <jussi> jpds: the lack of ubot4...
[20:54] <mhall119> cjohnston: http://ec2-50-16-133-193.compute-1.amazonaws.com/uds-p/2011-10-31/?
[20:55] <mhall119> http://awesomescreenshot.com/0aejotkb6
[20:58] <cjohnston> mhall119: looks correct, no?
[20:58] <mhall119> yeah, was getting your approval on the look
[20:58] <cjohnston> o
[20:58] <cjohnston> umm.. sure
[20:59] <cjohnston> nothing else is outlined red is it
[21:00] <cjohnston> i made myself superuser in the db, why am i not getting acess
[21:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: my wireless is down
[21:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: it was working when I left
[21:12] <mhall119> maybe jamalta stole it
[21:12] <jamalta> sorry, i'm pretty greedy.. i know.
[21:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: private room slots and private meetings are outlined in red
[21:12] <jamalta> i just wanted it all to myself
[21:14] <cjohnston> lol
[21:14] <cjohnston> im out
[21:14] <cjohnston> cya
[23:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/scheduling-testcase/+merge/73926
[23:40] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: I added a testcase to help write tests for the auto scheduling and conflict checking


[03:28] <kees> uhm, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts <- shouldn't xenial be listed here?
[03:30] <Unit193> Likely when it hits its first point release, yes.
[03:30] <kees> oh right, I always forget that
[07:29] <Unit193> slangasek: You missed #824943 with your upload to NEW.
[07:29] <Unit193> *May have, don't remember all the different parts. >_>
[09:49] <mcphail> mhall119: wrt http://mhall119.com/2016/03/help-make-gnome-software-beautiful/ , are you simply looking for new icons (and edits to the upstream .desktop files) or full, new appdata.xml files?
[11:25] <elbrus> infinity: any luck on looking into the fpc with glibc on powerpc issue yet (LP 1562480)
[11:26] <elbrus> I am getting multiple bug reports because we miss a feature from 3.0.0+dfsg-3
[11:26] <elbrus> s/feature/bug fix/
[14:18] <halvors1> Hi. Systemd version 230 came out yesterday with a lot of bug fixes, will you guys update systemd to this for Ubuntu 16.04?
[14:21] <rbasak> halvors1: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates. Seems unlikely to me that a new systemd upstream version would be suitable, but I don't know the details.
[14:31] <halvors1> rbasak: Hmm. Because i'm hitting a really annoying bug with 229 :(
[14:32] <halvors1> But at least it should be updated for yakkety ;)
[14:33] <rbasak> halvors1: I'm sure Yakkety will be updated as appropriate. If there's a bug, please ensure a bug exists for it in Launchpad. Bugs in 16.04 can be fixed, just not necessarily by updating wholesale to a new upstream version.
[14:44] <mhall119> mcphail: bad icons accounted for the bulk of the bad/missing appstream data, so we focused on that
[14:45] <mhall119> but if you want to provide more, that would certainly be welcome :)
[14:46] <mcphail> mhall119: :) - so a proper icon is OK with a tweaked .desktop file? Would probably be a bit much to expect upstream to package a metafile as well...
[16:08] <teward> I"m seeing a ton of hook errors in Apport bugs as of late, and it prevents my apport hooks in nginx from running.  The traceback on the bugs points back to the 'general' apport hooks for any bug, who do I report this to for fixing?
[16:08] <teward> this is in Xenial, and with apport hooks failing completely, there's no way to do debugging on those bugs (this extends to Yakkety, I believe, as well)
[16:22] <rbasak> teward: a bug against apport might be appropriate there maybe? Do you have an example?
[16:50] <halvors> rbasak: I did. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1584491
[16:51] <halvors> ifupdown should really be replaced with systemd-networkd soon :)
[16:51] <teward> rbasak: pick any of the latest 4 nginx bugs
[16:51]  * teward grabs numbers
[16:53] <teward> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1581864 actually is a prime example, any foreign charsets (i.e. not english) choke the script, in rare cases the nginx hooks run, in others, it just fails.
[16:54] <teward> rbasak: this is not "new" but it's new in so much that it's breaking *my* hooks when it tries to run
[16:54] <teward> rbasak: it also makes it headachey to triage - i have to rely on the users to provide their data :/
[16:55] <teward> rbasak: thankfully that person *attached* their data from the error logs that the hooks pull in
[16:55] <teward> but there's other closed ones which are similar
[16:55] <teward> and it's not confined to Xenial
[16:55] <teward> perhaps the hooks need updated for international scripts?
[16:58] <teward> hmm, maybe not that one
[16:58] <teward> rbasak: it's probably buried under Expired
[16:58] <teward> but let me grab the hook errors
[16:58] <teward> here's one with International: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1584468
[16:58] <teward> and it looks like this is a more general error too - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1582954
[16:58] <teward> both have hook errors
[16:58] <teward> let me make a test bug...
[17:04] <rbasak> teward: I think that's a bug that needs filing against apport.
[17:04] <teward> ack
[17:04] <rbasak> halvors: thank you for filing that.
[17:12] <halvors> rbasak: It's probatly easy to do a backport of the commit that fixed that issue to 229 if that is desirable instead of upgrading the whole systemd package to 230 :)
[17:28] <rbasak> halvors: if you're volunteering to do the backport, it'd be helpful to make that clear in the bug :)
[20:10] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Did you see PM a day or so ago?
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg> looking at it right now
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg> no anyway
[20:11] <LocutusOfBorg> if it is about sponsoring, I'll look at it
[20:12] <Unit193> \o/
[20:13] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm gonna do it now
[20:13] <LocutusOfBorg> making VCS-git in https
[20:13] <Unit193> Eh...  I kind of intentionally left that one, but oh well.
[20:14] <LocutusOfBorg> ok then
[20:16] <LocutusOfBorg> done
[20:18] <LocutusOfBorg> and pushed
[20:20] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, can I sync it on ubuntu when it gets available?
[20:48] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Thanks.  And yeah, I was going to do that.


[03:18] <juenn> hello! just want to ask if i will upgrade ubuntu 12 to 14 will it affect my installed web services? i have installed drupal on it
[03:23] <sarnold> juenn: apache 2.2 vs apache 2.4 caused big changes to the authentication and authorization modules; if you use those be sure to read the apache 2.4 docs before upgrading so you can adapt accordingly
[03:24] <sarnold> juenn: here's a starting point if you get stuck http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/auth.html
[09:26] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:35] <Laney> not really here, but I just remembered while washing up
[09:35] <Laney> if someone verifies the humanity-icon-theme SRUs then you might be able to ask to get them into 16.04.2 on monday
[09:35] <Laney> byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128
[09:56] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[09:57] <seb128> who has an hidpi screen to verify the SRU mentioned by Laney?
[09:57] <flexiondotorg> Good thanks.
[09:57] <flexiondotorg> seb128 What I wanted to discuss ^
[09:57] <seb128> I don't
[09:57] <flexiondotorg> I'll test now.
[09:57] <seb128> thanks!
[09:58] <flexiondotorg> Because System76 have stepped up as requested and this solves a real problem for them and their customers :-)
[09:58] <flexiondotorg> seb128 I've got another question for you.
[09:58] <flexiondotorg> The modified desktop-launcher you created while making the platform snap.
[09:59] <seb128> yes?
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> Did that get submitted upstream?
[09:59] <seb128> sure
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> Cool, so probably in snapcraft 2.25?
[09:59] <seb128> no
[09:59] <seb128> the launcher is a remote part
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> Aha, OK.
[09:59] <seb128> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/tree/runtime-refactor
[10:00] <seb128> it's just that didrocks needs to merge that
[10:00] <seb128> but he's off this week and didn't want to merge before being away in case it would create issues
[10:00] <flexiondotorg> Sure.
[10:00] <seb128> do you know if anyone is using the platform snap or do you want to rely on it for some of your snaps?
[10:01] <flexiondotorg> DId you also see the new desktop stanza in snapcraft?
[10:01] <flexiondotorg> No need for setup/ui directory now.
[10:03] <seb128> yeah, good to see that landing, I nagged sergio about that for a while
[10:04] <seb128> duplicating the desktop with translations wasn't making sense
[10:06] <Sweet5hark> moin
[10:11] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark o/
[10:12] <flexiondotorg> seb128 It will take me about an hour to complete the HiDPI testing.
[10:12] <flexiondotorg> I'll ping you when done.
[10:13]  * Sweet5hark waves back at flexiondotorg.
[10:15] <Sweet5hark> So, uhmm. Removing all the hackery Debian did in the bowels of the ./.debhelper dir enables building dbgsyms. Yeah \o/, I guess?
[10:18] <Sweet5hark> although the dbgsym stuff is kinda mad for libreoffice, as I assume they all have to be installed manually (e.g. if you have a writer crash you need: libreoffice-writer-dbgsym & libreoffice-core-dbgsym & ure-dbgsym & libreoffice-gtk3-dbgsym & uno-libs3-dbgsym ...
[10:20] <seb128> flexiondotorg, k, just comment on the bug and mark it verification-done/failed
[10:20] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[10:39] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:40] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 o/
[10:42] <seb128> hey davmor2
[11:04] <juenn> sardnold: thanks much
[12:16] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hey
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> seb128 I comment on the hidpi SRU for Xenial. It's all good. It was already tagged verification-done
[12:54] <seb128> flexiondotorg, great, thank you!
[14:30]  * desrt blinks
[14:30] <desrt> hi, all
[14:37] <seb128> hey desrt, happy friday!
[14:40] <desrt> happy friday, seb!
[17:03] <seb128> k, enough for this week, have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:03] <flexiondotorg> Seeya seb128


[21:43] <veebers> has anyone seen this test error in ci? http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-merge-juju/864/testReport/junit/github/com_juju_juju_api/TestAll/
[21:44] <veebers> I swear I've seen it occasionally, just ran it 5 times locally with no failures
[21:45] <babbageclunk> veebers: yeah, I've seen that before but no idea what's causing it.
[21:46] <veebers> babbageclunk: I wonder if something odd is happening in the lxd container
[21:46] <veebers> I'll retry that merge at anyrate for now
[21:48] <babbageclunk> veebers: the "not a valid zip file" error is coming from the server, right (although this is testing the client, I think)?
[21:50] <veebers> babbageclunk: looks like thats the case. creates a local charm zip and uploads that
[21:51] <thumper> morning team
[21:51] <veebers> hey th
[21:51] <veebers> hey thumper o/
[21:52] <veebers> 2nd times the charm
[21:54] <babbageclunk> hey thumper
[21:57] <babbageclunk> veebers: it'd be interesting to know what the server thinks the content of the file is in that case. (I'm guessing zero bytes, but maybe not?)
[21:58] <veebers> babbageclunk: aye, I might put up a pr that is purely a change so that file doesn't get deleted (and extra logging etc.)
[21:58] <veebers> and run the suite at different times, i.e. during a ci run etc.
[21:59] <babbageclunk> veebers: yeah, that would be awesome
[22:58] <veebers> I really need to put together that lxd machine and put it in the garage, deploying the k8s cluster puts my laptop under load :-)