[00:00] <bmw> thanks
[00:00] <rbasak> bmw: once we have the test process defined and approved, then I can upload/accept the reviewed branches into the proposed pocket for building.
[00:04] <rbasak> bmw: I'd like the agreed test process to end up in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/Certbot, but it's fine for that to refer to some other versioned document.
[00:25] <bmw> OK
[00:25] <bmw> I'll largely write the instructions there with a couple external links
[03:34] <snayzix> Hellp
[03:35] <snayzix> Is someone here ?
[09:51] <doko> apw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is this temporary and should be retried?
[09:52] <apw> doko, i would say so, yes
[10:18] <doko> chrisccoulson: I see that indicator-messages was demoted, but thunderbird still depends on it. can it be built without indicator-messages?
[10:19] <didrocks> doko: we still want unity to use it
[10:19] <doko> didrocks: so promote it again?
[10:19] <didrocks> so, the unity session still ship the indicator
[10:19] <didrocks> hum
[10:19] <didrocks> I was told that packages in main can build-dep on packages in universe, and so, was ok to demote
[10:20] <didrocks> (and it's only a build-dep, no lib linking in any package in main)
[10:21] <didrocks> (I guess that's why it doesn't show as source wanted to migrate in main in component_mismatch if I'm correct)
[10:24] <doko> didrocks: right, but it has a runtime dep as well: thunderbird-gnome-support/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: libmessaging-menu0
[10:25] <didrocks> doko: we should demote thunderbird-gnome-support
[10:26] <didrocks> that's why I dropped it to suggests
[10:26] <didrocks> (thunderbird suggests thunderbird-gnome-support and unity-session recommends thunderbird-gnome-support)
[10:26] <doko> didrocks: it's seeded
[10:27] <didrocks> by:
[10:27] <didrocks>   ubuntukylin-desktop
[10:27] <didrocks>   ubuntu-mate-desktop
[10:27] <didrocks> which as in universe
[10:27] <didrocks> is it seeded anywhere else? I don't see it in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.artful/all
[10:28] <didrocks> I unseeded from supported in revno: 2550
[10:28] <didrocks> timestamp: Thu 2017-07-13 10:15:52 +0200
[10:28] <didrocks> is there anything else missing?
[10:28] <doko> hmm
[10:29] <didrocks> also, I did a ./change-override -c universe thunderbird-gnome-support thunderbird-gnome-support-dbg
[10:29] <didrocks> on that day
[10:29] <didrocks> unsure why it's again in main
[10:29] <didrocks>  thunderbird-gnome-support | 1:45.8.0+build1-0ubuntu1 | artful/universe | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[10:30] <didrocks> I guess a mismatch in publication between -proposed and release pocket
[10:30]  * didrocks demotes in artful-proposed as well
[10:30] <didrocks> and that should get it to the release pocket
[11:49] <smoser> mwhudson, doko cloud-init in archive is fine with 3.6
[11:56] <smoser> bah. it should have but it doesnt. uploading one that does now.
[11:58] <smoser> uploaded
[12:30] <jbicha> didrocks: it's listed in supported
[12:40] <didrocks> jbicha: where?
[12:40] <didrocks> would be nice to have a pointer :p
[13:18] <seb128> wgrant, hey, I think I hit that issue some cycles ago but any idea why evolution-data-server/evolution don't have their .po imported in launchpad for artful?
[13:19] <seb128> hum, and did launchpad change? my script doing getPackageUploads()[0].custom_file_urls hits a
[13:20] <seb128> AttributeError: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/artful/+upload/16007844 object has no attribute 'custom_file_urls'
[13:20] <seb128> that used to work :-/
[13:31] <cjwatson> seb128: custom_file_urls stopped being exported on the devel API version in 2012.  Either use 1.0, or (better) use the customFileUrls() method instead
[13:33] <cjwatson> seb128: (I made it stop being a property on devel for performance - in most cases where we want to serialise a PackageUpload to JSON we don't need to worry about computing those URLs, so moving them to a method that callers that explicitly need them can use performs better overall)
[13:34] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks, that works
[13:35] <wgrant> seb128: iirc eds puts its version in its template name, so each release needs manual approval. check its import queue
[13:35] <seb128> I tried that early but wrongly, I somewhat didn't see it was a method and used ".customFileUrls" and got confused
[13:35] <seb128> wgrant, we changed it to stop doing that, I accepted the unversionned template and fixed the template details afaik
[13:35] <seb128> wgrant, I wonder if I overlooked something
[13:36] <seb128> wgrant, well, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports
[13:36] <seb128> no .po there
[13:36] <seb128> and we had a source upload yesterday after the new template was imported
[13:38] <seb128> wgrant, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+upload/16007657/+files/evolution-data-server_3.24.4-0ubuntu1_amd64_translations.tar.gz
[13:38] <seb128> the build tarball has them
[13:39] <wgrant> seb128: what are the PO paths like in that tarball?
[13:39] <wgrant> (i'm on my phone)
[13:39] <seb128> wgrant, source/po/<locale>.po
[13:43] <wgrant> hmm. i'll have to debug tomorrow, unless cjwatson is feeling adventurous
[13:43] <seb128> I wonder if that's again an issue with the translations sharing option
[13:44] <wgrant> oh, possibly, yes
[13:44] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/evolution-data-server/+sharing-details has " Automatic synchronization of translations is enabled. "
[13:46] <wgrant> i forget exactly how that logic works. it can never share atm since the template names don't match, but it probably doesn't hanske that case. might be best to unshare
[13:47] <cjwatson> I traced the upload path enough to check that the upload jobs were happening, but debugging translations sharing tends to be beyond me
[13:47] <seb128> seems other desktop apps have share enabled as well though
[13:47] <seb128> hum
[13:47] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/evolution-data-server/trunk/view/head:/po/fr.po
[13:47] <seb128> download file gives me an empty file
[13:47] <seb128> I wonder if that's specific to that file or another new launchpad issue
[13:47]  * seb128 tries another code page
[13:48] <cjwatson> we haven't touched loggerhead in ages
[13:48] <wgrant> none of these are new launchpad issues
[13:48] <seb128> it works on other urls so I guess something about that file
[13:49] <wgrant> your script was half a decade out of date, and eds does translations weirdly
[13:49] <seb128> was doing
[13:49] <seb128> :p
[13:49] <seb128> but yeah, I know e-d-s is a weird case
[13:49] <seb128> should be better now that the domain stops changing
[13:49] <seb128> the fr.po being empty is not on my side though afaik
[13:50] <cjwatson> download> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/1153721
[13:51] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[13:51] <seb128> I didn't know "loggerhead" was the right project for that
[13:51] <seb128> now I do :-)
[13:52] <cjwatson> I can rename it to pit-of-despair if you like
[13:53] <seb128> heh
[14:02] <cjwatson> loggerhead's download thing looks broken in at least two ways
[14:02] <cjwatson> 1) the view assumes that the file-id is path-encoded but it isn't
[14:04] <cjwatson> 2) if you path-encode it manually (e.g. / => %2F) it then claims the file doesn't exist - I think it only works if the file-id is in the top directory of the branch, but I don't have a clear idea of why
[14:05] <seb128> k
[14:05] <seb128> well, I'm doing a checkout now
[14:06] <cjwatson> this must have been broken since at least 2012, possibly earlier, possibly forever for all I know
[14:43] <seb128> cjwatson, wgrant, translations import worked after unsetting the translations sharing box and doing an upload, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports , I feel like we didn't do that before for a reason though but I can't remember so let's see if that has other side effects
[14:43] <seb128> thanks for the help!
[17:10] <dreamcat4> hi there. i'm a bit stuck with the installer, i ran it then selected 'continue testing'
[17:10] <dreamcat4> however /target is still mounted and will not unmount
[17:11] <dreamcat4> perhaps there is some /dev /proc stuff mounted into it?
[17:30] <dreamcat4> ok... nothing is working for me (and umount /target still fails)
[17:30] <dreamcat4> need help
[17:37] <wxl> dreamcat4: if you're looking for support, #ubuntu is the place to be
[17:39] <dreamcat4> wxl: oh nevermind then. but maybe you should know this to be a bug then?
[17:40] <dreamcat4> as it didnt happen with the 16.04 installer prior
[17:40] <wxl> dreamcat4: i know of no bug
[17:41] <wxl> dreamcat4: i would start by looking at the integrity of the image
[17:41] <dreamcat4> sounds like a complete waste of time to me...
[17:41] <wxl> well, best of luck
[21:09] <dreamcat4> it happened only with the default option 'erase whole disk'
[21:11] <dreamcat4> when i instead started with 'ubiquity --no-bootloader', and then selected 'something else' (fresh install), and created only single ext4 partition (into a zvol). then /target was not left kept mounted anymore, upon selected 'continue testing' at end of installation
[21:11] <dreamcat4> ... seems to be a bug that only appears under certain conditions
[21:12] <dreamcat4> like i said: didnt happen with 16.04 installer
[21:12] <dreamcat4> this is current (17.10 nightly builds) desktop ISO


[19:58] <ChinnoDog> I dislike moving.
[20:15] <adom> At least you're getting a boat.
[20:33] <ChinnoDog> Haha!


[12:12] <blue-frog> hi guys anyone to help me restrict a user to log on following a time range pls?
[12:12] <blue-frog> guys/gals..
[12:13] <blue-frog> i have weird things happening when i do so
[12:16] <HedgeMage> I've never tried it, but let me poke around and see what I find
[12:17] <blue-frog> i explain quickly
[12:17] <blue-frog> user time restriction works ok
[12:17] <blue-frog> but
[12:17] <blue-frog> as soon as i add account required pam_time.so in /etc/pam.d/common-account
[12:17] <Burgwork> blue-frog, you want users to only be able to login for a certain amount of time?
[12:18] <blue-frog> the gksudo doesn't work for my admin account
[12:18] <blue-frog> burgwork i want them to be able to log on between 15:00 and 17:00
[12:19] <blue-frog> but if they logon at 16:45 i want them to be disconnected at 17:00
[12:19] <blue-frog> so far pam_time.so does the trick for the first part
[12:19] <blue-frog> but if they log on at 16:45 then they can use the puter forever..
[12:20] <blue-frog> tried timeoutd but i must be using a wrong syntax
[12:20] <blue-frog> for /etc/timeouts i wrote..
[12:21] <blue-frog> Al1900-2000:*:joe:*:LOGIN
[12:22] <blue-frog> but when joe logs on at 17:00 he is not disconnected after one minute as timeoutd is supposed to do
[12:22] <blue-frog> and timeoutd is running of course
[12:32] <blue-frog> any idea?
[12:32] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[12:33] <HedgeMage> I think you may know more about this particular topic than me... sorry
[12:33] <HedgeMage> ogra is a good person to ask that kind of thing, when he's around
[12:33] <blue-frog> :0 ok ty
[12:35] <HedgeMage> np
[02:28] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:29] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[02:31] <jsgotangco> hmm new kernel
[07:24] <cbx33> hey all
[07:24] <cbx33> Burgundavia,
[07:24] <Burgundavia> salut cbx33
[07:25] <cbx33> howz it going?
[07:25] <cbx33> I'm just gonna grab my breakfast
[07:25] <Burgundavia> I have done the reorg, but haven't done the final piece of writing
[07:25] <cbx33> then I'll be heading off
[07:25] <cbx33> ok
[07:25] <cbx33> what ws the final piece?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> should have something within the hour
[07:25] <cbx33> ok np
[07:26] <cbx33> well I'll be leaving in about 35 minutes ;)
[07:27] <cbx33> I'll try to start orgaising screen shots
[07:27] <Burgundavia> excellent
[07:27] <cbx33> I think we have all normal apps, but I'll have to get all the edu apps because I don;t think HedgeMage included those in her tarball
[07:28] <cbx33> right I'm going to eat now
[07:29] <Burgundavia> we might have some in the repo already
[08:54] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, you around still?
[08:56] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: not really
[08:56] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: is it quick?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I wanted to ask you opinion on the ESA
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I have a half finished edit, shoudl I commit it?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> it validates, it just looks ugly
[08:59] <LaserJock> yeah, I can work on it in the morning if you want
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[09:00] <Burgundavia> I will add a comment about what I was thinking
[09:02] <Burgundavia> Laser_away, committed
[09:27] <cbx33> mornin all, just poking my head in
[09:29] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:29] <cbx33> you'd better not reply, you're supposed to be sleeping
[09:29] <cbx33> :)
[10:22] <ajayc> MODERATORS
[10:22] <ajayc> where r u?
[10:22] <ajayc> anyone?
[10:23] <ajayc> EDUBUNTU GOT SHIPT PUT IT IN THE TOPIC
[10:27] <ajayc> blue-frog: hi
[10:27] <blue-frog> hi
[10:27] <ajayc> arent moderatore here?
[10:27] <ajayc> there is shipit for edubuntu
[10:33] <ajayc> !help
[10:34] <ajayc> !topic add shipit.edubuntu.org
[10:35] <ajayc> !topic add SHIPIT !!! AVAILABLE FOR EDUBUNTU ENJOY!!!
[10:35] <ajayc> !TOPIC REMOVE -1
[10:36] <ajayc> !TOPIC RESTORE
[10:36] <ajayc> !TOPIC RESTORE 3
[10:37] <ajayc> !TOPIC add Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu,
[10:37] <ajayc>           download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List
[10:37] <ajayc>           http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |
[10:37] <ajayc>           Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before
[10:37] <ajayc>           installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
[10:41] <ajay> !topic add Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |
[10:41] <ajay>           Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before
[10:41] <ajay>           installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
[10:41] <ajay>           http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org
[10:42] <blue-frog> I installed timeoutd on my breezy, I have a script tiemoutd in /etc/init.d. what command must I use to run timeoutd at boot time, pls? (update-rc?)
[10:42] <ajay> damn i messed the topic
[10:42] <ajay> any idea how to restore?
[10:43] <ajay> !topic add Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read beforeinstalling: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
[10:43] <ajay> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org
[10:43] <ajay> ahh now its fine
[11:51] <ajayc> hi guys
[11:51] <ajayc> anyone there?
[11:53] <cbx33> hi
[12:20] <lucasvo> hi
[12:20] <lucasvo> cbx33: what do you think:  http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Journal.png or http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/UbuntuJournal.png
[12:20] <lucasvo> ?
[12:22] <cbx33> hi
[12:22] <cbx33> just gotta...hang on
[12:23] <cbx33> i can't get there at the mo
[12:23] <lucasvo> proxy?
[12:23] <cbx33> could you possibly attach it to a wiki opage?
[12:23] <cbx33> indeed
[12:23] <cbx33> it's beingfiltered
[12:24] <lucasvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuJournal?action=AttachFile
[12:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: which one do you prefer?
[12:29] <cbx33>  think ubuntutype.png
[12:29] <cbx33> as i fits with tubuntu marketting
[12:30] <lucasvo> hm,
[12:31] <lucasvo> should it fit the ubuntu marketing?
[12:32] <cbx33> i think everyone would be much more keen if it did
[12:32] <lucasvo> we don't do marketing, that's why I don't think it is a good idea
[12:32] <cbx33> as I think Burgwork mentinoed yesterday, ubuntus marketting has worked really well for them
[12:32] <cbx33> but it's instant ly recognisable as being ubuntu
[12:32] <cbx33> the ubuntu identity is really really strong
[12:33] <lucasvo> I think the emblem is strong enough
[12:35] <lucasvo> I tried out to do something with scribus
[12:35] <lucasvo> it was a disaster
[12:35] <lucasvo> :)
[12:35] <cbx33> at the end of the day, it is your project and ultimately your decision, but may find people are more willing to help if you are willing to stick to conventions - just my 2cents :p
[12:36] <lucasvo> :)
[12:36] <cbx33> scribus is cool,
[12:36] <cbx33> but needs some learning
[12:36] <lucasvo> Maybe I can ask www.elevendesign.ch to do the design
[12:36] <lucasvo> cbx33: well, I wasn't able to write ANY text
[12:36] <cbx33> filtered
[12:36] <cbx33> lucasvo: oh?
[12:37] <lucasvo> I could add pictures and textboxes without problem
[12:37] <cbx33> i used it for the ESA mock pages
[12:37] <cbx33> right click a text box and goto edit text
[12:37] <cbx33> try that
[12:37] <lucasvo> no
[12:37] <lucasvo> opening the story editor or clicking on the white "A" did work
[12:37] <cbx33> did or didn't
[12:38] <lucasvo> but then, it didn't reacto to my keyboard intput
[12:38] <cbx33> hich version
[12:38] <lucasvo> I could add text files in the story editor
[12:38] <lucasvo> Scribus Version <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:39] <cbx33> ah
[12:39] <lucasvo> ?
[12:39] <cbx33> i was using 1.3
[12:39] <cbx33> it's more advanced
[12:40] <cbx33> brb
[12:40] <lucasvo> cbx33: but it isn't in dapper
[12:42] <lucasvo> is there a package
[12:42] <lucasvo> ?
[12:42] <cbx33> no
[12:43] <cbx33> i compiled from source :p
[12:50] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scribus/+bug/45565
[12:50] <lucasvo> where is the bug channel?
[12:50] <lucasvo>  #ubuntu-bugs?
[12:51] <BugMaN> yes
[12:56] <thundershirt> hi
[12:56] <thundershirt> anyone there?
[12:59] <pschulz01> thundershirt: hi there..
[12:59] <thundershirt> hi pschulz01
[12:59] <thundershirt> arent there any ops here?
[01:00] <thundershirt> cos man i had to change the topic
[01:00] <thundershirt> to tell shipit is available for edubuntu
[01:06] <cbx33> !seen bluekuja
[01:06] <ubotu> bluekuja <n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 1d 13h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'cya #edubuntu'.
[01:08] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you give me some info about your proxy
[01:08] <lucasvo> I want my hosting provider to look that they unblock it
[01:12] <cbx33> well, it's being blocked as a "personal website"
[01:12] <cbx33> it's nothing to do with your hosting company
[01:12] <lucasvo> why?
[01:12] <thundershirt> ahh someone
[01:12] <thundershirt> no op here?
[01:12] <cbx33> no
[01:13] <thundershirt> had to change topic myself
[01:13] <thundershirt> to tell bout shipit
[01:13] <cbx33> hoping to be at some point :p
[01:13] <lucasvo> thundershirt: wait till ogra is around
[01:13] <lucasvo> he'll fix it
[01:13] <thundershirt> i put there in the topic
[01:13] <cbx33> ogra should be sleeping
[01:13] <thundershirt> shipit.edubuntu.org
[01:13] <lucasvo> thundershirt: I already ordered cd's there
[01:14] <thundershirt> me too
[01:14] <lucasvo> cbx33: the edubuntu fonts are crap
[01:15] <lucasvo> 45565
[01:17] <lucasvo> cbx33: why is it a personal site?
[01:18] <lucasvo> what are you allowed to see?
[01:18] <cbx33> presumably because of the .ch
[01:18] <lucasvo> ???
[01:18] <lucasvo> why that?
[01:18] <lucasvo> vincisolutions.org works?
[01:18] <lucasvo> cbx33: that is discrimination!
[01:19] <cbx33> lucasvo: tell me about it
[01:19] <lucasvo> all CH domains get blocked
[01:19] <cbx33> vincisolutions.org is blocked too
[01:19] <cbx33> give me another .ch domain
[01:19] <lucasvo> www.switch.ch
[01:20] <lucasvo> that probably works
[01:20] <lucasvo> http://www.nescafair.ch.vu/
[01:20] <lucasvo> www.eggdrop.ch
[01:21] <cbx33> http://www.nescafair.ch.vu/ works
[01:21] <lucasvo> cbx33: which one DO work?
[01:22] <lucasvo> http://www.scherr.ch.vu/ works?
[01:22] <cbx33> eggdrop works
[01:22] <cbx33> sorry doesnt
[01:23] <lucasvo> (same IP)
[01:23] <lucasvo> www.weyland.ch
[01:23] <lucasvo> ?
[01:24] <cbx33> last one is apparently DNS error
[01:24] <lucasvo> huh
[01:24] <lucasvo> yes
[01:24] <lucasvo> http://blog.weyland.ch/
[01:24] <lucasvo> cbx33: and what about switch.ch?
[01:25] <cbx33> that works
[01:25] <lucasvo> switch or blog.weyland.ch?
[02:15] <cbx33> grr
[02:31] <blue-frog> am at a loss to achieve the following. joe can only log in and use gdm from 3pm ot 5pm. if he logs in at 4.45pm he must be disconnected at 5pm. fiddled with pam_time and timeoutd but can't achieve what I want, hints/help most welcomed
[02:34] <saugilsr> blue-frog: did u see this link? http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Linux_Administration/Q_20974796.html
[02:34] <saugilsr> might be usefull
[02:34] <blue-frog> looking at it right away ty
[02:34] <saugilsr> blue-frog: has a script at the bottom to use in a cron job..
[02:40] <blue-frog> hum as it is said in the comment, the solution is kind of disgracefull :(
[02:49] <saugilsr> blue-frog: yeah  its not the best.. thought it might lead to another idea..
[02:50] <blue-frog> yep seems to me though no programs have been implemented to act like this so I may be forced to write a funky script
[02:51] <blue-frog> I have difficulty though to believe that am the first one to encounter such a problem
[02:51] <blue-frog> and that pam_time only checks at login time and no more afterwards
[02:56] <blue-frog> also a weird behavior with pam_time, as soon as I put account required pam_time.so in common-account, gksudo keeps telling me password is wrong while sudo in console still works fine
[02:57] <saugilsr> that is strange
[02:57] <cbx33> blue-frog: very strange :p
[02:57] <blue-frog> and in the auth log it tells me about pam_time can't get the tty name
[02:57] <cbx33> but then i have had problems with pam and other stuff too
[02:58] <blue-frog> and sudo authentication failure  while I was calling gksudo
[03:30] <lucasvo> lol
[03:31] <lucasvo> cbx33: for that spec I got about 10000 karma :)
[03:52] <jryer> Urgente/ayuda - Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol?
[03:57] <jryer> Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol? I need to install edubuntu spanish in a lab without internet from a CD.
[03:58] <blue-frog> have you installed spanish language on your laptop?
[03:58] <blue-frog> or your desktop
[04:04] <jryer> Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol? I need to install edubuntu spanish in a lab without internet -- from a CD
[04:04] <blue-frog> have you installed spanish language on your laptop?
[04:04] <blue-frog> or your desktop
[04:09] <jryer> Yes
[04:10] <blue-frog> then you could copy /var/cache/apt/archives on a dvd and use it in the lab
[04:13] <jryer> That easy? Is it that big that it needs to be a DVD?
[04:14] <blue-frog> archives is big in the end.. now you could trace aonly the packages needed for the internationalisation and only copy them
[04:15] <blue-frog> or put yourlaptop (if any) in the lab network so you don't need to copy but only share /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:16] <blue-frog> then use dkpg -i package name
[04:16] <blue-frog> then use dkpg -i package_name
[04:16] <blue-frog> then use dpkg -i package_name got it right this time
[04:18] <jryer> How do I share /var/cache/apt/archives?
[04:19] <blue-frog> adminstration/shared folders
[05:06] <ajayc> ogra, hi
[05:09] <jsgotangco> yo!11
[05:10] <ajayc> yo
[05:37] <mhz> moin you all
[05:37] <lucasvo> hi mhz
[05:37] <ajayc> morning
[05:37] <mhz> hi lucasvo
[05:37] <ajayc> man i never get reply
[05:37] <mhz> could you solve your issue with dhcp?
[05:37] <lucasvo> ajayc: what for?
[05:37] <ajayc> lucasvo, ?????
[05:37] <lucasvo> which question?
[05:37] <ajayc> no question
[05:37] <ajayc> :P
[05:38] <lucasvo> aha
[05:38] <lucasvo> ajayc: how much karma do you have? :{
[05:38] <lucasvo> :P
[05:38] <ajayc> dunno
[05:38] <ajayc> :)
[05:38] <lucasvo> but that's not very much
[05:38] <ajayc> LOL
[05:39] <lucasvo> ajayc: don't you know LP karma?
[05:41] <lucasvo> mhz: what's up?
[05:41] <lucasvo> mhz: are you willing to write an article?
[05:41] <mhz> again?
[05:41] <lucasvo> again???
[05:41] <lucasvo> about what
[05:41] <mhz> oh, but in spanish
[05:42] <mhz> about Edubuntu and the other about How FLOSS is key for sustainable development
[05:42] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, sure!
[05:45] <mhz> lucasvo: shipit is taking orders for ubuntu cd's
[05:45] <mhz> any ideas for edubuntu?
[05:48] <ajayc> how do u get chanserv to ur channel?
[05:49] <jsgotangco> mhz: we will probably have that too with a limited print run
[05:49] <jsgotangco> but only for x86
[05:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx, mon
[05:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: but not just yet?
[05:50] <jsgotangco> mhz: i have no details atm
[05:51] <LaserJock> JaneW: ping?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: we can wish
[05:52] <LaserJock> she must be very busy :-)
[05:53] <JaneW> LaserJock: I am here kind of
[05:53] <mhz> hmmm, bad girl
[05:53] <JaneW> although mdz chided me as we are meant to have the day off :)
[05:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: come on! you dont want that ;)
[05:55] <jsgotangco> what i dont want day off?
[05:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: get rid of alchool
[05:56] <jsgotangco> no way dude it stays int he blood but not in my brain
[05:57] <michel> help: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?
[05:57] <jsgotangco> i had like 5 shots of tequila and im almost done
[05:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: bad boy
[05:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: hmmm, the only alchool I like to drink is a brazilian one: Caipirina or some spelling like that
[05:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: hush, im inspired at the moment to write a release announcement
[05:58] <michel> help: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?
[05:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol
[05:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: DOIT
[05:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but let me proof read it!
[05:58] <mhz> "Efrubuntu is.. a b erry cool distro aimedz forz zchools.."
[05:59] <jsgotangco> mhz: i will probably smuggle dope wars into edubuntu soon
[05:59] <jsgotangco> and a cokctail app
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe
[05:59] <jsgotangco> bamenda: digital machine is a brand/??
[06:00] <mhz> JaneW: any ideas when edubuntu cd's can be ordered? Any ideas on the design of cd labels?
[06:00] <bamenda> ???
[06:01] <bamenda> we are in cameroon and we install ltsp please help us
[06:01] <mhz> ?
[06:05] <LaserJock> darn it, I do that all the time in Firefox when I just want to close a tab and I end up closing the whole thing
[06:05] <jsgotangco> use epiphany :)
[06:05] <crimsun> that's why I use links!
[06:06] <crimsun> (sometimes I think the only reason I use gnome is to have dozens of terminal emulators open)
[06:06] <jsgotangco> skype just worked with gdebi in edubuntu and didnt ask for deps
[06:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:07] <LaserJock> gdebi is supposed to do dep resolution?
[06:07] <crimsun> it does. Quite wonderfully, I might add.
[06:07] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:07] <jsgotangco> at least skype isnt an issue now for users in dapper
[06:07] <jsgotangco> unlike before which made people do awful hacks
[06:09] <LaserJock> cool, I'll have to try gdebi out some time, I don't often use .debs outside the repos
[06:09] <crimsun> if you click on a random deb, it uses gdebi automatically.
[06:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:10] <jsgotangco> it doest even need a manual
[06:11] <JaneW> mhz: shipit.edubuntu.com
[06:11] <LaserJock> well, usually I just use wget and dpkg -i
[06:11] <LaserJock> but gdebi sounds nice if I'm in a GUI mood
[06:11] <crimsun> LaserJock is hardcore like that. :-)
[06:12] <mhz> JaneW: and could we have some kind of additional info to fill in?
[06:13] <mhz> such as Organization name, intended use in Labs?
[06:13] <mhz> etc
[06:18] <jsgotangco> JaneW: is Claire Newman new???
[06:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: not so much hardcore, but I'm never on my Ubuntu box so I'm always ssh'ing in
[06:24] <Yagisan> umm, crimsun, how does gdebi work with 3rd party repos ?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> it still relies on your sources.list
[06:25] <LaserJock> how cool
[06:25] <Yagisan> ok. so it doesn't help for me then
[06:26] <jsgotangco> just think of it as a setup.exe that looks elsewhere for other required apps
[06:26] <jsgotangco> if needed
[06:26] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: in my case, it would need to look in the 3rd party repos to find the unmet deps
[06:26] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:27] <mhz> Yagisan: hi mon!!!
[06:27] <mhz> Yagisan: iirc, you got lots of experience on playing games in Linux?
[06:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: but if it already needs those repos added to the sources.list, then I'll just leave the instructions to use synaptic or aptitude up.
[06:27] <Yagisan> mhz: some, what's up ?
[06:28] <cameroon1> hello chanceline
[06:28] <mhz> I was contacted by a friend who lives out of a cybercaffee
[06:28] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: in your case that is true, but for some small apps that publish their own debs but rely on standard deps in the archives, its easy for some users
[06:28] <jsgotangco> skype for instance
[06:28] <mhz> and saw Edubuntu in action, Yagisan and he loved it
[06:28] <mhz> so,
[06:29] <mhz> I said "let's use Edubuntu for both Edu purposes and Cyber purposes"
[06:29] <jsgotangco> Cyber
[06:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:29] <mhz> it was all cool until
[06:29] <jsgotangco> does he mean sexual in nature?
[06:29] <mhz> he mentioned that at nights, all kids wanted to play on line games
[06:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: you had too many tequilas hehehe
[06:30] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:30] <cameroon1> any eperience with edubuntu and cybecafe?
[06:30] <mhz> jsgotangco: and I wish you are not using edubuntu gilrl background
[06:30] <jsgotangco> mhz: no i now have an edubuntu chinese girl in front of me
[06:30] <cameroon1> which programm direqcafe?
[06:30] <Yagisan> mhz: I have some not so good news for you
[06:30] <mhz> else you may be considering she's a japaneese school girl
[06:30] <mhz> hehehe
[06:30] <mhz> ??
[06:31] <mhz> Yagisan: ?
[06:31] <Yagisan> mhz: the thin clients have *no* accelerated opengl
[06:31] <mhz> oooohhhhhhh
[06:31] <cameroon1> not funny
[06:31] <jsgotangco> i need to sober up
[06:31] <mhz> that's why TuxMath sucked via LTSP
[06:31] <jsgotangco> mhz: it does?
[06:31] <jsgotangco> tuxmath need opengl?
[06:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup
[06:31] <mhz> dont know if need it
[06:31] <jsgotangco> mhz: a math game needs opengl?
[06:32] <mhz> BUt sucked
[06:32] <Yagisan> mhz: and that basically stops gaming :( I get 1fps on doomsday on a client, and almost 200fps on same spec but disked box
[06:32] <jsgotangco> yeah i would have believed you if it was Quake Math
[06:32] <mhz> I used a 2.x GHz AMD processor and 1 GHz of RAM
[06:32] <mhz> and 4 thin clients
[06:32] <mhz> over 10/100 network
[06:32] <mhz> i played TxMath in one... it scuked
[06:33] <mhz> sucked
[06:33] <mhz> Yagisan: ohh
[06:34] <jsgotangco> i goota sleep
[06:34] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:34] <LaserJock> mhz: yeah, ogra told me yesterday that opengl wouldn't relly work over ltsp
[06:34] <Yagisan> mhz: I, uh, discovered this issue about 6 or so months ago
[06:34] <mhz> Yagisan: so, solution would be: "install ubuntu boxes for gaming" and use Edubuntu on day time?
[06:34] <LaserJock> mhz: I want to put some molecule rendering apps in but that wouldn't work so well unless the app was installed locally
[06:34] <mhz> Yagisan: iiirc I believed you mentioned that
[06:35] <mhz> hmmm, would local devices work on clients?
[06:35] <mhz> like LiveCd ?
[06:36] <mhz> Yagisan: so, a Cyber could still use Linux for Gaming?
[06:36] <Yagisan> mhz: for now yes, an ubuntu box for gaming. ogra didn't have time in this development periods to help me investigate this, maybe in edgy with local apps and l-r-m we can get opengl working, but that would need a semi-decent thin client
[06:36] <Yagisan> mhz: yes, you can. depends on the games though
[06:37] <mhz> Yagisan: afaik, Dapper is "stable" sales point, while Edgy is "eye candy" sales point
[06:37] <mhz> or not?
[06:37] <Yagisan> mhz: you really need either nvidia or a gpl'ed dri driver. ati binary isn't good for gaming
[06:38] <mhz> Yagisan: sure, Nvidia or GPL'ed dri driver
[06:38] <Yagisan> mhz: possibly. myself, I prefer stable in all releases
[06:38] <mhz> Yagisan: so clustomers may decide to reboot into ubuntu for gaming, or just PXE booting for normal use
[06:38] <michel> help: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?
[06:39] <mhz> michel: i dont understand "digital machine digital pc 3000"
[06:39] <LaserJock> mhz: the model of computer he is running
[06:40] <mhz> oooh
[06:40] <Yagisan> mhz: yes, that would work well. need to edit the grub menu though. not to hard.
[06:40] <mhz> sure
[06:40] <mhz> piece of cake
[06:40] <mhz> Yagisan: and which games are for sure okidoki for linux?
[06:40] <mhz> Quake?
[06:40] <mhz> Age of Emprires?
[06:41] <Yagisan> mhz: basically install ubuntu, that add pxe as an option and make it default. then hit up rom-o-matic for the images
[06:41] <michel> this is a digital PC the graphic card is S3 on board
[06:41] <Yagisan> mhz: ok. my general rule is, don't bother for the windows only games
[06:42] <Yagisan> mhz: they usually have copy protection crap that causes them to not run well (if at all)
[06:42] <mhz> Yagisan: sure, but I am ignorant on games, you know. My only games in computers is Tetris and Xgalaga + Gcompris :D
[06:42] <Yagisan> michel: no graphics on thin client or server ?
[06:42] <mhz> michel: do thin clients boot up (get dhcp and see them booting?)
[06:43] <michel> yes no graphic
[06:43] <michel> on the client
[06:43] <michel> yes
[06:43] <michel> it is ok until it should come to login but the light of the monitor turn to no signal
[06:44] <Yagisan> mhz: ok. TTBOMK, at the moment doom 3, quake 4, enemy territory, termulous, nexiuz, america's army, are all popular
[06:44] <Yagisan> michel: your monitor does not support the video mode the client is trying to use
[06:44] <mhz> Yagisan: wow, that should cover most preferences
[06:45] <mhz> i suppose
[06:45] <ogra> michel, did you follow the install notes (see channel topic)
[06:45] <Yagisan> michel: if you have one in front of you, try pressing crtl, alt, and - at the same time
[06:45] <Yagisan> mhz: only a few. my doomsday is also nice, but not so widely played
[06:45] <michel> ok i will try with another monitor thanks
[06:45] <Yagisan> mhz: then there are games like wesnoth
[06:46] <ogra> michel, also which version of edubuntu do you use ? breezy or dapper ?
[06:46] <Yagisan> michel: this can be fixed, but we need to work out what the monitor can handle
[06:46] <Yagisan> michel: because the video card can't tell (perhaps the monitor is old)
[06:46] <ogra> Yagisan, the x autodetection usually detects s3 cards right ...
[06:46] <Yagisan> ogra: yes, but old monitors don't have dcc
[06:47] <ogra> right, then it falls back to 1024x786 by default
[06:47] <Yagisan> ogra: yep, which usually doesn't work on a 15 inch or less
[06:48] <kgoetz> is ogra around at all?
[06:48] <ajayc> how to get chanservto a channel?
[06:48] <kgoetz> i'm wondering which edubuntu theme is default (plain or colours)
[06:48] <ogra> nope, i'm not here (i'd risk my job if i'd be)
[06:48] <kgoetz> ajayc: it joins creation of a new channel
[06:48] <kgoetz> ogra: ok, :)
[06:48] <ogra> kgoetz, colors with the chalkboard wallpaper
[06:48] <ajayc> kgoetz, it didnt i created #vlos
[06:48] <ajayc> come there
[06:49] <michel> ogra: edubuntu 5.10
[06:49] <kgoetz> ogra: thanks. when i first set up edubntu it was still 'custom theme', so i set it to human, i'm trying to find out what eudubuntu looks like :)
[06:49] <michel> breezy
[06:49] <ogra> michel, and you followed the install notes to set it up ?
[06:49] <kgoetz> *edubuntu (x2)
[06:49] <ajayc> HI ogra
[06:49] <ajayc> man u op here?
[06:50] <ogra> ajayc, we dont want OPs in here
[06:50] <ajayc> no no
[06:50] <ogra> there is a list of people that can op or de-op
[06:50] <ajayc> i just wanted the topic to be updated
[06:50] <ogra> but we usually dont use it
[06:50] <ajayc> i did that myself later
[06:50] <kgoetz> ogra: can i sugest you make the colours theme sugest the blackboard background? or is that more effort then it's worth
[06:50] <ogra> so update it :)
[06:50] <ajayc> messed up
[06:50] <ajayc> see it
[06:50] <ajayc> i wated to just put SHIPIT!!! in the starting
[06:51] <ajayc> kgoetz, come to #vlos for a sec
[06:51] <mhz> Yagisan and ogra, nice knowledge of hardware you 2 have!
[06:51] <kgoetz> woot. edubuntu look'n'feel
[06:51] <michel> ogra: yes
[06:51] <Yagisan> mhz: when I was younger, I wrote my own to os in assembler
[06:51] <Yagisan> s/to/toy
[06:52] <Yagisan> mhz: I discovered that some hardware was a real pain-in-the arse to use and detect
[06:52] <kgoetz> Yagisan: :o you ...
[06:52] <mhz> Yagisan: eeeek, assembler!!! man, you are ld :D
[06:52] <mhz> old
[06:52] <Yagisan> mhz: and fixing the stuff for several years helps
[06:53] <Yagisan> mhz: I love assembler. great fun (until you reach 3 pages)
[06:53] <ogra> sorry for the noise
[06:53] <kgoetz> haha
[06:53] <ajayc> please can someone tell me whose nick stays online always
[06:53] <Yagisan> kgoetz: yes ?
[06:53] <Yagisan> ajayc: ubotu ;)
[06:53] <ajayc> can i get ubotu to #vlos
[06:53] <kgoetz> Yagisan: (02:21:24) Yagisan: mhz: when I was younger, I wrote my own to os in assembler
[06:53] <kgoetz> ^ that
[06:54] <ogra> kgoetz, just create a new user, it will use the edubuntu default theme
[06:54] <Yagisan> ajayc: did you see the ;)
[06:54] <ajayc> Yagisan, what?
[06:54] <ajayc> ahh ok
[06:54] <kgoetz> ogra: i got it sused, thanks :)
[06:54] <ogra> kgoetz, also sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork ;)
[06:54] <ajayc> no i mean can i get ubotu there?
[06:54] <kgoetz> oh, lol. didnt think of that
[06:55] <mhz> Yagisan: it does...
[06:55] <kgoetz> nighta lll
[06:55] <mhz> nn
[06:55] <kgoetz> it's past my bedtime
[06:55] <Yagisan> night kgoetz
[06:55] <kgoetz> later all
[06:57] <mhz> ogra: can we then remove tuxMath from Dapper ? :D
[06:58] <mhz> I mean if we know it will suck in LTSP env.
[06:58] <mhz> end-users (ltsp users_ may balme on Edubuntu
[07:10] <mhz> Yagisan: and those games you mention, are all GPL'ed license ?
[07:10] <mhz> http://www.rmichelson.com/Artist_Pages/Diterlizzi/Tony_Diterlizzi_Gallery-New.html
[07:10] <Yagisan> mhz: sadly no. most a closed source
[07:11] <mhz> Yagisan: oh, I see
[07:11] <Yagisan> mhz: the open source ones are
[07:11] <mhz> but they run in Linux, at least
[07:11] <Yagisan> mhz: termulous, nexiuz, wesnoth, doomsday
[07:12] <Yagisan> mhz: enemy territory and america's army are free of charge, but closed source
[07:12] <mhz> Yagisan: one last question... do you know of any app that can be useful to control how long a workstation has been conected to internet? (kind of for Cybers)
[07:13] <mhz> or a GUI app that can let us stop what a station is doing?
[07:13] <Yagisan> mhz: off hand, no
[07:13] <mhz> Yagisan: nice info
[07:13] <mhz> no worries
[07:14] <mhz> I'll keep looking
[07:14] <mhz> Yagisan: THX a lot for useful info
[07:14] <Yagisan> mhz: what sort of games are you looking for
[07:14] <Yagisan> mhz: I have some links for you
[07:14] <mhz> cool!
[07:14] <mhz> I dont know
[07:15] <mhz> I have never played anything besides pon, tetris and xgalaga and nvaders
[07:15] <mhz> (ncurses)
[07:15] <Yagisan> mhz: you should try my game :)
[07:15] <mhz> sure, screenshots?
[07:16] <mhz> esp. on those lazy hours
[07:16] <Yagisan> mhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/ss/
[07:16] <mhz> Yagisan: i promise, if they buy the idea, you'll be the one in charge of security
[07:17] <Yagisan> mhz: as in $$ ??
[07:17] <mhz> the only prob. is that we'llbe talking chilean fees :(
[07:17] <mhz> yup
[07:18] <mhz> they said "show us a proposal"
[07:18] <mhz> tey liked Edubuntu idea very much, esp. when they noticed that there is no Cyber for edu purposes
[07:18] <Yagisan> mhz: here we go http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Native_Games
[07:18] <mhz> hehe, that ws my sales argument
[07:19] <Yagisan> ogra: so, opengl on the clients for edgy ;)
[07:20] <mhz> Yagisan: one last thing before i go to lunch
[07:20] <Yagisan> mhz: shoot
[07:20] <mhz> please refresh my memory.. why "your game"?
[07:20] <Yagisan> mhz: I am one of the upstream developers
[07:21] <mhz> ooooh
[07:21] <Yagisan> mhz: I basically make sure it doesn't break on linux
[07:21] <mhz> nice
[07:21] <Yagisan> mhz: and I tend to do janitorial fixes, and design stuff
[07:22] <mhz> for free as well? ;)
[07:22] <Yagisan> mhz_Lunch: : yes (some conditions). free data too, but it doesn't yet work correctly with it,
[07:38] <cbx33> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood evenin all
[07:39] <cbx33> mhz_Lunch, wlecome to the Schools advocacy team
[07:39] <cbx33> thanks JaneW for authorising
[07:39] <cbx33> !seen highvoltage
[07:39] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 20h 56m 2s ago, saying: 'btw- does anyone know what OWA stands for in Ubuntu?'.
[07:40] <cbx33> anyone elase have access to the edubuntu server?
[07:40] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[07:40] <LaserJock> cbx33: hehe, did you have some caffeine tonight?
[07:40] <cbx33> well unless it's in Cok
[07:40] <cbx33> Coke
[07:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: where is it. I'll see if I can get access ;)
[07:40] <cbx33> Yagisan :p
[07:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: yes, coke has about the same level of caffeine as a strong coffee
[07:41] <cbx33> Yagisan, so how good are you at that, I practice a little of the black arts myself at times :p
[07:41] <cbx33> highvoltage was supposed to zip up the edubuntu theme so I could work on it and fix it, but un fortunately he hasn;t been on
[07:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: relatively good, but my best work is from a social engineering standpoint. the humans are far easier to work on. I also don't call it black arts when describing it to potential customers.
[07:43] <cbx33> Yagisan, of course
[07:43] <cbx33> coersive measures ?
[07:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: often no. If you look like you know what you are doing, no one stops you
[07:44] <cbx33> I know
[07:44] <cbx33> have read a few books on it
[07:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: experience is much more fun
[07:44] <cbx33> i'd bet
[07:45] <Yagisan> cbx33: when I get asked to explain my business, it often starts like this "Ever see the movie sneakers ?"
[07:45] <cbx33> heheh
[07:45] <cbx33> Yagisan, I'd love to do that kind of thing for a job
[07:45] <cbx33> just not that good at it yet :p
[07:46] <Yagisan> cbx33: it is a really really hard sell
[07:46] <cbx33> oh yeh
[07:46] <Yagisan> cbx33: but the work itself is fun
[07:47] <cbx33> hehehh
[07:47] <Yagisan> cbx33: I live next to a bank
[07:47] <cbx33> hahaha
[07:47] <cbx33> :p
[07:48] <Yagisan> cbx33: you would not believe what I hear in the car park
[07:48] <cbx33> really?
[07:48] <Yagisan> cbx33: really.
[07:48] <cbx33> oh do tell :p
[07:48] <cbx33> not specifics of course
[07:49] <cbx33> "todays security code is"
[07:49] <cbx33> read the art of deception ?
[07:49] <Yagisan> cbx33: I've never been inside it (no my bank), but eg I know which cameras are real, and which are not
[07:49] <Yagisan> cbx33: mitnick's book - no
[07:49] <cbx33> it's a good read,
[07:49] <cbx33> but then you'd probably have read much like it anyway
[07:50] <cbx33> by Erickson
[07:50] <pawsilver> hi there
[07:50] <cbx33> hi pawsilver
[07:50] <Yagisan> cbx33: I do have a thick section of those books. actually, never did see mitnicks book in a book shop here
[07:50] <pawsilver> Can some one help me?
[07:50] <cbx33> pawsilver, we can try
[07:50] <cbx33> shoot
[07:51] <cbx33> Yagisan, shell code fastinates me
[07:51] <Yagisan> cbx33: makes it work learning assembler
[07:51] <Yagisan> s/work/worth
[07:52] <cbx33> indeed
[07:52] <pawsilver> I am getting this error "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:52] <pawsilver>      E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?"
[07:52] <cbx33> pawsilver, you should run that commane as sudo
[07:52] <cbx33> so do
[07:52] <cbx33> sudo ........
[07:53] <cbx33> pawsilver, am I right in thinking you are trying to install something?
[07:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: I will be mailing out a svn build of doomsday tonight
[07:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: crap, it's 4am
[07:53] <cbx33> ooooh
[07:53] <cbx33> Yagisan, crikey man, get some rest
[07:53] <cbx33> I could chat to you all evening
[07:53] <cbx33> :p
[07:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: let me amend that, I will be emailing out a svn build this morning
[07:53] <pawsilver> yes
[07:54] <pawsilver> I'm trying to reset my synaptic pakage manager
[07:55] <cbx33> reset?
[07:55] <cbx33> Yagisan, so I'm guessing you don;t hve legitimate access to the edubuntu server :p
[07:55] <pawsilver> I'm getting this error on start up "E: Malformed line 38 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[07:55] <pawsilver> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[07:55] <pawsilver> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem."
[07:56] <cbx33> what is line 38 in sources.lise?
[07:56] <pawsilver> startup of synaptic package manager that is
[07:56] <pawsilver> Don't know where to look
[07:56] <cbx33> can you paste the contents o /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:56] <cbx33> to a pastebin
[07:58] <pawsilver> pastebin?
[07:58] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/
[07:59] <cbx33> just paste into there
[07:59] <pawsilver> I can find /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <pawsilver> ok
[07:59] <cbx33> then send me the link to that page
[08:00] <pawsilver> http://pastebin.ca/57137
[08:00] <pawsilver> done it !
[08:00] <cbx33> ok
[08:00] <cbx33> try commenting out line 38
[08:01] <pawsilver> which is line 38?
[08:01] <cbx33> look at pastebin
[08:01] <cbx33> it has line numbers
[08:01] <cbx33> (it's the bottom one)
[08:01] <pawsilver> ok the last one
[08:01] <cbx33> Burgundavia, you alive man?
[08:01] <cbx33> or are you working?
[08:02] <pawsilver> oops thats the one i tried to add and then i had all the problems
[08:02] <Burgundavia> cbx33, alive and feeling sick
[08:02] <pawsilver> do i add one # or two to comment it out?
[08:03] <cbx33> pawsilver, just one
[08:03] <pawsilver> thanx
[08:03] <cbx33> Burgundavia, oh dear
[08:03] <Burgundavia> I will dig into esa right now
[08:04] <pawsilver> cbx33, It won't allow me to change the file
[08:04] <cbx33> permission denied?
[08:04] <pawsilver> yes
[08:04] <cbx33> you have to be root
[08:05] <cbx33> so from the command line type
[08:05] <pawsilver> how do i do that?
[08:05] <cbx33> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <cbx33> sorry
[08:05] <cbx33> add sudo to the front of that
[08:05] <cbx33> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <pawsilver> ok done! thanx
[08:06] <pawsilver> i will test it now
[08:06] <cbx33> ok
[08:07] <Yagisan> cbx33: no, I don't have access to the edubuntu server. I can't even upload software, I need to harass others to do it for me
[08:12] <cbx33> Yagisan, know anyone who does have access?
[08:16] <Yagisan> cbx33: well, I don't actually know which particular server you are after, but the fountain of knowledge around here is usually ogra JaneW and highvoltage.
[08:17] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'm just here as window dressing
[08:21] <cbx33> hehe
[08:21] <cbx33> ogra, JaneW, highvoltage WHERE ARE YOOOUUU !
[08:22] <Burgundavia> cbx33, ogra and JaneW are on vacation today
[08:22] <cbx33> I know Burgundavia
[08:22] <cbx33> i was just thinking wishfully
[08:27] <saugilsr> is there a special place for edubuntu specs? or do they all get placed in the same Ubuntu launchpad area?
[08:28] <LaserJock> they are in the Ubuntu LP
[08:29] <saugilsr> LaserJock: thanks.
[08:30] <Yagisan> cbx33: so, think you'll have time to test doomsday this weekend ?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> cbx33, edubutu difference section has been finished
[08:30] <Burgundavia> committed
[08:34] <Burgundavia> cbx33, are you working on the doc at all?
[08:36] <mhz_Lunch> re
[08:41] <Burgundavia> salut Amaranth
[08:41] <Amaranth> hey
[08:42] <Burgundavia> heard anything from willow boy?
[08:44] <Amaranth> nope
[08:44] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:44] <Burgundavia> cbx33, ESA is all yours
[08:47] <mhz> cbx33: oh, thx for the welcome
[08:47] <mhz> I am glad to have some window time to contribute to Edubuntu
[08:49] <mhz> Laser_away: ping
[08:54] <mhz> cbx33: ping
[08:57] <cbx33> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:57] <cbx33> could you do me a favour and show my how to put images in?
[08:57] <cbx33> mhz, hi
[08:57] <cbx33> bb in baout 10-15 mins
[08:58] <mhz> cbx33: images in Moin?
[09:19] <Burgwork> mhz, images in docbook
[09:19] <Burgwork> cbx33, take a look at the other ones for how
[09:25] <mhz> oh, okis
[09:35] <Burgwork> Laser_away, hmm, away, eh. can you take a peak at the difference section in ESA now?
[10:01] <cbx33> thanx mhz just read the translation stuff about ESA
[10:06] <mhz> cbx33: so, is that a GO ?
[10:06] <cbx33> mhz, no
[10:06] <cbx33> not yet
[10:06] <mhz> oh
[10:06] <mhz> hehehe
[10:06] <cbx33> :p
[10:07] <cbx33> just mneed to do final
[10:07] <cbx33> checking
[10:07] <mhz> okis
[10:09] <lucasvo> hi
[10:09] <cbx33> hi lucasvo
[10:17] <Burgwork> cbx33, are we going to send it for translation this weekend?
[10:18] <lucasvo> :)
[10:20] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you give me infos about the proxy your school uses?
[10:44] <Yagisan> I need to feed my kids and grab some sleep. I'll be back in about 8 hours or so
[10:44] <Yagisan> message me if you need me
[10:47] <cbx33> Burgwork, I'd like to
[10:47] <cbx33> I'm able to work on it some tomorrow, like for images and such
[10:47] <cbx33> hopefully a little tonight
[10:47] <Burgwork> cbx33, ok. The only thing I see needing work is to change the various ktouch, etc. to what they do
[10:47] <cbx33> just been called in to move the lounge around :p
[10:47] <cbx33> yes
[10:48] <cbx33> i can do that tomorrow
[10:48] <cbx33> UTC wise what tie will you be around till tomorrow morning
[10:48] <cbx33> lucasvo, they filter through something called websense
[10:48] <Burgwork> I am UTC-7, so likely not until 17:00 UTC at earliest
[10:49] <cbx33> right, that shuild be ok, gives me time to work in the morning my time
[10:49] <cbx33> how much longer you gonna be around now?
[10:49] <cbx33> in hours?
[10:49] <Burgwork> 4, maybe 6
[10:50] <cbx33> ok i may be back i na while
[10:50] <cbx33> bout 20-30 mins
[10:50] <cbx33> we can hopefully have a chat then
[10:52] <mhz> cbx33: re
[10:52] <mhz> cbx33: you work at a school?
[11:01] <cbx33> yes
[11:01] <cbx33> I do
[11:02] <mhz> and you have an edubuntu lab?
[11:03] <cbx33> yes
[11:04] <cbx33> Burgwork, you there?
[11:04] <mhz> any page with details?
[11:04] <cbx33> not as yet, we're still in the setting up phase
[11:05] <cbx33> trying to get active directory integration going
[11:05] <Burgwork> cbx33, yep
[11:05] <cbx33> wht's the svn repo again
[11:05] <cbx33> I want to download onto this computer
[11:07] <cbx33> i need the address
[11:08] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[11:08] <cbx33> thanx
[11:15] <cbx33> Burgwork, I have a few changes I'd like you to take a look at
[11:15] <cbx33> shall I diff and mail to you
[11:16] <Burgwork> cbx33, sure, but I have no way of applying it here at work
[11:17] <cbx33> what address?
[11:17] <Burgwork><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:19] <cbx33> sent
[11:20] <cbx33> btw Burgwork excellent work on that section
[11:29] <cbx33> :D - a big thank you from me
[11:29] <cbx33> sure
[11:30] <cbx33> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/edubuntu/SchoolAdvocacy/C/school-advocacy.xml
[11:32] <LaserJock> I'm back
[11:32] <cbx33> w00t
[11:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, howz you
[11:36] <cbx33> I thought you said you were back :p
[11:37] <LaserJock> talking to the wife on the phone real quick ;-)
[11:37] <cbx33> heheh
[11:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, seen Burgwork's recent changes?
[11:37] <cbx33> I just submitted a patch to him but he can't apply it from there
[11:38] <LaserJock> not quite yet, I've been busy all day getting a passport and registering a new vehicle and paying for insurance, etc.
[11:38] <cbx33> Paris?
[11:38] <LaserJock> cbx33: want me to apply it?
[11:38] <LaserJock> the passport, yes
[11:38] <cbx33> well do you wanna have a quick look at what I chagned see if it makes sense
[11:38] <cbx33> shall I mail to you?
[11:39] <cbx33> mail addy?
[11:39] <LaserJock> mantha (at) ubuntu.com
[11:39] <cbx33> sent
[11:39] <cbx33> see if it makes sense
[11:40] <LaserJock> hmm, is it Saturday in Germany yet? ;-)
[11:41] <cbx33> hmm...dunno
[11:41] <cbx33> you thinking if pgra is working again yet :p
[11:41] <LaserJock> yep
[11:42] <LaserJock> I was thinking about a spec he wanted and I wanted to talk to him about it more, but it can really wait until after June 1 :-)
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'm just getting antsy
[11:42] <cbx33> oooh
[11:42] <cbx33> what's it for?
[11:42] <LaserJock> dynamic menus
[11:42] <cbx33> nice
[11:43] <LaserJock> basically, the Applications menu changes depending on what meta-packages are installed and what group the user is in, or something like that
[11:43] <cbx33> yeh
[11:43] <cbx33> sound like a cool idea
[11:43] <cbx33> like custom menus for users
[11:44] <cbx33> or user groups?
[11:44] <LaserJock> not sure
[11:44] <cbx33> heh
[11:44] <LaserJock> I sort of understand the "menus depend on meta-packages" part, but I'm not sure exactly what he wants as far as the user dependency
[11:45] <cbx33> ah right
[11:45] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it is supposed to be a per user thing or per group thing
[11:45] <cbx33> right I'm gonna crash out
[11:45] <cbx33> my head is pounding again
[11:45] <cbx33> block nose
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, I'll look at your diff and apply it
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: again?
[11:45] <cbx33> only if you think it's an improvement
[11:45] <cbx33> yup again
[11:46] <cbx33> it's turned into a major cold now
[11:46] <cbx33> and I'm feeling really rough
[11:46] <cbx33> will finish up on ESA tomorrow
[11:46] <cbx33> ready to release for translation
[11:46] <cbx33> if you get a chance could you have a chat to Burgwork about his ideas for changing the applications section
[11:46] <cbx33> and send me some notes
[11:46] <LaserJock> k
[11:46] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I can chat now
[11:46] <cbx33> I'll work on that omrrow when I get up
[11:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ok
[11:47] <cbx33> Burgwork, I'll sitck around fro a sec then :p
[11:47] <cbx33> till my head explodes
[11:47] <Burgwork> cbx33, you can go and sleep
[11:47] <Burgwork> LaserJock, The only thing I see needing work is to change the various ktouch, etc. to what they do
[11:48] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I agree, people want to know what the apps *do*
[11:49] <cbx33> i think Burgwork was talking about shortening it right?
[11:49] <LaserJock> paragraph per area? with no detailed listing? more narrative?
[11:50] <Burgwork> cbx33, the shortening was to the difference section, which is done
[11:50] <cbx33> oh right
[11:50] <cbx33> you said shorten the apps descripstion to one sentence though didnt you?
[11:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: how current is the wiki version of ESA?
[11:51] <Burgwork> LaserJock, very old
[11:51] <Burgwork> I was thinkinga bout that
[11:51] <LaserJock> k
[11:52] <Burgwork> I now think we should merge the "Tools" and "Education Apps" section into one
[11:52] <cbx33> for the wiki
[11:52] <cbx33> but then Burgwork made more changes :p
[11:52] <Burgwork> we can build the moin out of the docbook at the end, if needed
[11:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I just need to do a couple things to be able to render the docbook, just takes a sec
[11:53] <cbx33> Burgwork, yes please
[11:54] <cbx33> as people are wanting to start translating :p
[11:54] <Burgwork> moin is not needed for translation
[11:54] <Burgwork> we should do translation via rosetta
[11:54] <LaserJock> Burgwork: how do we get a template to rosetta?
[11:55] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I have just asked mdke to do it
[11:55] <mhz> cbx33: hmm,no good for me, I read no xml :)
[11:55] <cbx33> oooh excellent
[11:55] <cbx33> Burgwork, thank you
[11:55] <Burgwork> np
[11:55] <mhz> Burgwork: yeah, let's moin it!
[11:55] <cbx33> was thining rosetta but didn't know if it was possible
[11:55] <Burgwork> mhz, you need to edit the xslt to figure out to turn xml into mion
[11:56] <cbx33> heheh
[11:56] <mhz> Burgwork: hmm how about Docbook 2 Openoffice.org and from OpenOffice.org 2 Moin :D
[11:56] <cbx33> noooooooo :p
[11:57] <cbx33> rosetta is the way to go
[11:57] <LaserJock> I think the docteam has a tool for at least moin -> docbook
[11:57] <Burgwork> LaserJock, nope, we don't
[11:57] <Burgwork> mhz, ick
[11:57] <Burgwork> rosetta gets us established teams
[11:57] <mhz> ick ?
[11:57] <cbx33> Burgwork, would it go up as a package then?
[11:58] <cbx33> if so can it be assigned to edubuntu school support team
[11:58] <Burgwork> cbx33, it could be shipped as part of edubuntu-doc, but it is pretty late for that
[11:58] <cbx33> it's too late for that now
[11:58] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what about teamstuff/article2moin ?
[11:58] <cbx33> next release
[11:58] <Burgwork> hmm
[11:58] <Burgwork> anyway, we should stop bikeshedding and get on with the actual doc
[11:58] <Burgwork> it is in docbook now
[11:58] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah
[12:02] <Burgwork> LaserJock, cbx33 we need a license for the doc
[12:02] <Burgwork> gfdl and ccbysa2.5 are not ideal if we ever want to print this
[12:03] <cbx33> yes
[12:03] <LaserJock> hmm, how so?
[12:03] <LaserJock> the docs on lulu are
[12:03] <Burgwork> gfdl requires you attach the license itself, which adds pages
[12:03] <cbx33> I'm not too hot on license
[12:03] <Burgwork> given the doc is only two or maybe three pages...
[12:03] <cbx33> Burgwork, wht about a link to the license?


[00:25] <gaysexsf> help me
[00:26] <gaysexsf> helpme
[00:26] <gaysexsf> i have a problem with skype in kubuntu
[00:26] <gaysexsf> how to install that shit
[00:26] <gaysexsf> recomend me a diffrent program brohs
[00:29] <juacom99> hi, does anyone here use kde connect?
[00:37] <gaysexsf> im very annoyed
[00:37] <gaysexsf> because
[00:38] <gaysexsf> im using
[00:38] <gaysexsf> skype
[00:38] <gaysexsf> and idont know how to instal in kde
[00:38] <gaysexsf> because
[00:38] <gaysexsf> there is no package instaler
[00:39] <gaysexsf> help,m
[00:58] <Guest93890> can you help me
[01:02] <valorie> !ask | Guest93890
[01:02] <valorie> ubottu: ?
[01:02] <valorie> Guest93890: since the bot seems off-duty, I'll answer 'maybe' if you say your question
[01:02] <valorie> heh
[01:03] <Guest93890> sorry
[01:03] <Guest93890> master admin senior :D
[01:03] <valorie> juacom99_: I do
[01:03] <Guest93890> i have a problem i cant find a package installer for kubuntu
[01:03] <valorie> muon is the best, IMO
[01:04] <Guest93890> and cant install skype :X
[01:04] <valorie> not muon discover, but muon
[01:04] <valorie> !skype
[01:04] <valorie> you just have to activate the right repository
[01:04] <valorie> !info muon
[01:05] <Guest93890> this is kubuntu mine - 14.04 lts
[01:05] <valorie> right
[01:05] <valorie> kubuntu is KDE on ubuntu base, pretty much
[01:05] <Guest93890> sorry for stuped topic but im new in linux because it was hating microsoft windows :D
[01:06] <valorie> the only stupid question is the one not asked
[01:06] <valorie> this chan is for support for all, especially beginners
[01:07] <Guest93890> can i install the ubuntu software center :?
[01:07] <valorie> sure, if you want
[01:07] <Guest93890> i dont have a package for skype in apt get :d
[01:07] <Guest93890> because stuped mirosoft
[01:07] <juacom99_> valorie: i can't get it to list my android device. i got the app installed as well as kdeconnect
[01:08] <juacom99_> but they don't see each other
[01:08] <valorie> I personally dislike it, but it is certainly installable
[01:08] <valorie> also: muon discover is our "software center"
[01:08] <valorie> juacom99_: is your bluetooth on and working?
[01:09] <valorie> !bluetooth
[01:09] <juacom99_> i'm doing it by usb connection
[01:09] <valorie> Guest93890: read the link above about installing skype
[01:09] <valorie> you have to activate another repo
[01:10] <Guest93890> unable to locate package
[01:10] <juacom99_> Guest93890: i remeamber that ther's a deb on the skype web as well
[01:10] <juacom99_> you can donwload it and insdtallit from there
[01:10] <Guest93890> i have a file .deb
[01:10] <Guest93890> but how to add in my apt get libary
[01:10] <Guest93890> :?
[01:11] <valorie> that's always been true, before and after Microsoft bought it
[01:11] <valorie> please read the page again, and follow ALL the steps
[01:11] <valorie> packages are not installed the same way as microsoft does it
[01:11] <juacom99_> you don't you just dpkg
[01:11] <Guest93890> aha thank you bro
[01:11] <juacom99_> Guest93890: http://www.skype.com/es/download-skype/
[01:12] <Guest93890> okay
[01:12] <Guest93890> but witch version can i use
[01:12] <Guest93890> :?
[01:12] <valorie> best to do it the correct way
[01:12] <valorie> and apt or apt-get will do it too
[01:12]  * valorie is not a bro
[01:12] <valorie> juacom99_: that is not the right way to do it
[01:13] <valorie> please use the packages which are prepared for *buntu
[01:13] <Unit193> !partner
[01:13] <juacom99_> valorie: why?? dpkg works as a charm...
[01:14] <Unit193> Updates through normal repos, different packaging, etc.
[01:14] <valorie> that is a last resort, if there are no proper packages
[01:15] <juacom99> valorie: usualy the vendor's page have the package way before it get mto the repositorys
[01:15] <Guest93890> SCUse me
[01:16] <Guest93890> what was the path of downloads folder
[01:16] <Guest93890> and i goota write cd ./home/downkloads/ - or no
[01:16] <juacom99> /home/<<User>>/Download
[01:16] <Guest93890> aha
[01:19] <valorie> juacom99: sure
[01:19] <Guest93890> okay
[01:19] <Guest93890> :D
[01:19] <valorie> but then you lack proper packaging, and testing
[01:20] <Guest93890> i have a skype now
[01:20] <Guest93890> LD
[01:20] <Guest93890> :D
[01:20] <Guest93890> yeah
[01:20] <Guest93890> but
[01:20] <Guest93890> its stuped sound
[01:20] <Guest93890> when
[01:20] <juacom99> valorie: any idea about kdeconnect?
[01:20] <Guest93890> someone its online
[01:20] <Guest93890> kdeconnect
[01:20] <Guest93890> :d
[01:20] <Guest93890> howto use bro
[01:21] <Guest93890> :?>
[01:21] <valorie> when I was having wireless problems, it didn't work well
[01:21] <valorie> I mean bluetooth
[01:21] <juacom99> i don't have bluetooth in this PC (is a table PC)
[01:21] <valorie> if bluetooth is on in both the phone and laptop, it is flawless
[01:22] <valorie> juacom99: then it won't work
[01:22] <valorie> sorry
[01:22] <juacom99> USB cabble don't work?? :(
[01:22] <juacom99> *cable
[01:22] <valorie> I don't think so, although I didn't try that with my netbook
[01:22] <Guest93890> okay
[01:22] <Guest93890> im understand
[01:22] <Guest93890> ihave
[01:22] <valorie> the whole point is to use bluetooth
[01:22] <Guest93890> a very profesional qestion
[01:22] <Guest93890> where its the core files
[01:22] <Guest93890> :D
[01:23] <valorie> Guest93890: are you asking about kdeconnect?
[01:23] <Guest93890> yes
[01:23] <Guest93890> but
[01:23] <Guest93890> aha
[01:23] <valorie> all core files are in the sources that you can download
[01:23] <Guest93890> but
[01:23] <valorie> or on KDE git
[01:23] <Guest93890> i cant use because
[01:23] <Guest93890> i dont have
[01:23] <Guest93890> a
[01:23] <valorie> !sources
[01:24] <Guest93890> bluetoth recievier
[01:24] <Guest93890> thank you bro
[01:24] <Guest93890> ':D
[01:24] <Guest93890> do you use someone talker
[01:24] <Guest93890> or jabber
[01:24] <Guest93890> :x
[01:24] <valorie> I'm sure adding USB would be welcome
[01:24] <valorie> you can talk to the devels about it
[01:24] <valorie> yes, I use jabber
[01:24] <Guest93890> its more secure
[01:24] <valorie> however, I prefer irc chans
[01:24] <Guest93890> im  for bulgaria
[01:25] <Guest93890> and here
[01:25] <valorie> and I'm not a bro
[01:25]  * valorie is a grandma
[01:25] <Guest93890> sorry
[01:25] <Guest93890> :x
[01:25] <juacom99> valorie: lol
[01:25] <valorie> oh very nice
[01:25] <Guest93890> here we have a open source client called jutsi
[01:25] <valorie> we don't see bulgarians in here often!
[01:25] <valorie> very cool
[01:25]  * valorie is Murrican
[01:26] <Guest93890> one moment i will paste the link
[01:26]  * juacom99 is Uruguayan
[01:26] <valorie> weeeee, we are international this eveing
[01:26] <valorie> evening
[01:26] <Guest93890> https://jitsi.org/
[01:26] <Guest93890> yes
[01:26] <juacom99> it seems so...
[01:26] <Guest93890> :D
[01:26] <Guest93890> the irc giving me  more information
[01:26] <Guest93890> :D
[01:27] <valorie> !info jitsi
[01:27] <Guest93890> oy can i play the League of legends on linux
[01:27] <valorie> cool, we have a package
[01:27] <valorie> Guest93890: not a gamer -- is it on steam?
[01:28] <Guest93890> aha
[01:28] <Guest93890> valorie: :D
[01:28] <valorie> also, Guest93890, if you are interested in registering, you can have a real nickname
[01:28] <valorie> !register
[01:29] <juacom99> Guest93890: you can try using wien
[01:29] <juacom99> !info wine
[01:29] <juacom99> *wine
[01:29] <Guest93890> its better package
[01:29] <Guest93890> but the kde its very nice
[01:29] <Guest93890> there are more panels and wigeds
[01:29] <Guest93890> :d
[01:29] <Guest93890> more freedomly
[01:30] <valorie> bbl
[01:31] <juacom99> cya valorie
[01:32] <DaniUser> hi
[01:32] <DaniUser> im reigsterted
[01:32] <DaniUser> can i create my channel
[01:32] <DaniUser> in htat server
[01:33] <DaniUser> :?>
[01:35] <juacom99> if you want... just join the channel, check if the name is not registred and nthen register it
[01:35] <DaniUser> aha thank you
[01:41] <DaniUser> verry
[01:41] <DaniUser> god
[01:41] <DaniUser> kdecoonec
[01:41] <DaniUser> t:D
[01:41] <DaniUser> but
[01:41] <DaniUser> remotte dont want workig
[01:41] <DaniUser> :d
[01:43] <juacom99> are you using it?
[01:45] <DaniUser> help me how to change the workspace
[01:52] <solifugus_> System Settings pops up off screen to the right -- how can I move it to where I can see it and fix my resolution?
[01:53] <solifugus_> I tried right-clicking it on task bar -> more actions -> move .. but then i just loose my cursor until I reboot.
[01:58] <solifugus_> I so.. so.. miss the days of kde 3.5.... when everything was simple and worked so cleanly..
[02:11] <valorie> solifugus_: sounds like kscreen is getting your screen size wrong
[02:11] <valorie> fix that first in kscreen
[02:45] <solifugus_> valorie: I ended up using xrandr.. then I could finally get to system settings..  What's strange is that various other windows like chromium-browser and konsole got it right..
[02:45] <solifugus_> but all is well that ends well.. at least for now.. I am good.
[02:49] <valorie> hmmm, xrandr should no longer be needed
[02:49] <valorie> but whatever works.....
[03:52] <jocs> hello
[03:53] <jocs> Anyone here knows how to change DPI of Kubuntu 14.04 LTS ?
[06:01] <rethnor> hello, I have a G110 keyboard that has a built in sound card and headphone jacks. The card work when I use speaker-test but it doe snot show up in phonns multimedia device .
[06:02] <rethnor> I found the following FAQ: https://userbase.kde.org/Phonon#Missing_device_entries but I am confused because I ahve no /etc/asoundrc or ~/.asound.conf
[06:02] <rethnor> the device also shows up in alsamixer as the 3rd device
[06:21] <rethnor> nm, it's working now
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:02] <Bomber_> hey guys....
[07:02] <Bomber_> i need some python installation help....i'm going crazy..
[07:03] <valorie> Bomber_: how did you install it?
[07:03] <valorie> !info python
[07:03] <Bomber_> downloaded the tar, untared to a folder inside home
[07:03] <lordievader> Bomber_: What's the problem?
[07:03]  * libreSSL whispers into valorie 's ear "ppas"
[07:03] <Bomber_> so ok, great, make make install and all that
[07:03] <valorie> why didn't you install the package?
[07:03] <Bomber_> but I need to install pip / virtualenv for THATversion and not the system version
[07:04] <Bomber_> 2.7.8 isn't available in apt-get, as far as i know
[07:04] <lordievader> !info python3
[07:04] <valorie> libreSSL: why?
[07:04] <lordievader> 3.4.0 is relatively new. Why not install that?
[07:04] <libreSSL> 3 and 2 aren't fully compatible
[07:04] <libreSSL> because reasons
[07:04] <lordievader> libreSSL: print
[07:04] <Bomber_> yeah, it's cool and all that. I'll touch base with that once I'm up and running at least with my previous system. new laptop and that
[07:04] <Bomber_> and libre, I'm with ya
[07:05] <Bomber_> but again, soon. Not yet
[07:05] <lordievader> Bomber_: I don't see a reason to compile Python yourself...
[07:05] <Bomber_> well it just happened. :-/
[07:05] <Bomber_> i mean, what else was I supposed to do?
[07:05] <Bomber_> apt-get it when it's not available?
[07:05] <libreSSL> there are um...
[07:06] <libreSSL> other repositories... which aren't endorsed by canonical or blue systems
[07:06] <libreSSL> but might work
[07:06]  * libreSSL hides
[07:06] <Bomber_> ?
[07:06] <lordievader> Bomber_: Why do you specifically need 2.7.8?
[07:06] <Bomber_> latest version, my previous workspace (windows, yuck) was using that vesion
[07:06] <Bomber_> version
[07:06] <Bomber_> i'll copy libreSSL
[07:06] <Bomber_> "because reasons"
[07:06] <lordievader> 2.7.5 should work just fine.
[07:07] <valorie> repos have nothing to do with endorsement by any company
[07:07] <lordievader> !info python utopic
[07:07] <valorie> the community guarantees some PPAs
[07:07] <valorie> and others are just people
[07:08] <Bomber_> ...ok, so I'll just download 2.7.7 as received from apt-get. But still, I don't know what I'm missing as to how to apply virtualenv on that version...
[07:08] <lordievader> !info python-pip
[07:08] <Bomber_> It's just that I'm having trouble with JetBrain's PyCharm and the permission system
[07:08] <libreSSL> say is PyCharm good?
[07:08] <Bomber_> I love it.
[07:09] <Bomber_> but it's doing me problems with permissions
[07:09] <Bomber_> "oh, you want to install Django? fuck you. 'cause I'm not root"
[07:09] <Bomber_> well, ok so let me make pycharm root
[07:09] <Bomber_> "fuck you, i need the python version i'm using to be root"
[07:09] <Bomber_> ok, so I'll mess up with the permission system
[07:09] <Bomber_> "fuck you........fuck you"
[07:09] <lordievader> Bomber_: Please watch your language.
[07:10] <Bomber_> oh
[07:10] <Bomber_> sorry
[07:10] <Bomber_> -_-
[07:10] <Bomber_> my bad
[07:11] <valorie> Bomber_: once you have things installed, there is a pycharm channel
[07:11] <Bomber_> IRC?
[07:11] <valorie> yes
[07:11] <Bomber_> in?
[07:11] <valorie> called ##pycharm
[07:11] <Bomber_> freenode?
[07:11] <valorie> here on freenode, yes
[07:11] <Bomber_> thx
[07:11] <valorie> I used alis to search for ya
[07:11] <valorie> !alis
[07:12] <Bomber_> uh.. ##pycharm or #pycharm?
[07:13] <valorie> -alis- ##pycharm
[07:13] <valorie> just click it and you'll be there
[07:13] <valorie> in konversation, at least
[07:14] <Bomber_> well that channel is lovely
[07:14] <Bomber_> very peacful and quiet. AKA empty. :-/
[07:18] <valorie> sorry about that
[07:18] <valorie> most chans have hours of emptiness, depending on where most people live
[08:50] <Yossarianuk> hi - is the version of KDE going to ever be upgraded in 14.04 without adding a PPA ?
[08:52] <Riddell> 4.13.3 is already in -updates
[08:58] <Yossarianuk> Riddell: thanks - and future updates - will they be bugfixes to the 4.13.x branch ?
[09:00] <Riddell> Yossarianuk: I think 4.13 is done
[09:01] <Yossarianuk> riddell: so in the next 4(ish) years will 14.04 remain at that version ?
[09:02] <Yossarianuk> (just deciding if to enable the PPA - i won't if 14.04 will eventually update the version)
[09:02] <Riddell> Yossarianuk: yes I expect it'll remain at 4.13.3
[09:02] <Riddell> note that PPAs tend to have lower QA done on them
[09:03] <Yossarianuk> ok
[09:03] <Yossarianuk> thank you
[09:03] <Yossarianuk> for work desktop i'll keep it...
[09:03] <Yossarianuk> (home i'll use PPA)
[09:06] <alvin> Such decisions are always difficult in my opinion. 4.14 introduces Baloo, wich is more stable.
[09:06] <alvin> (If I'm not mistaken here)
[09:16] <Riddell> and also a new feature, we don't add new features to -updates,bugfixes only
[09:18] <lukimya> better to play around with rolling release maybe, if want to take sneak peaks into kde future :)
[09:25] <Yossarianuk> lukimya: I do also have Arch linux installed on my home desktop...
[09:26] <lukimya> I use KaOS
[09:30] <Yossarianuk> Well in here the opensource/free community is nice.....
[09:34] <Yossarianuk> not the rapid mob than Lennart was talking about..... (im sure KDE/Kubuntu's is nicer than most...)
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:51] <ozooner__> join #loggly
[13:03] <G___0_> Hi
[13:03] <G___0_> How can install KDE distro Rosa on Kubuntu ? I mean install KDM login , Icons Rosa and applications launcher
[13:04] <G___0_> How can install KDE distro Rosa linux on Kubuntu ? I mean install KDM login , Icons Rosa and applications launcher
[15:01] <schoppenhauer> hello. I have my trackpoint and mouses made left-handed. but now my wacom stylus is interpreted in the wrong way (the keys exchanged).
[15:01] <schoppenhauer> is it possible to change this?
[15:02] <schoppenhauer> there is only a setting for "key 2" and "key 3" ...
[16:13] <genii> !purekde
[16:14] <genii> !purexfce
[17:02] <Bomber_> Does anyone know how to solve synaptics issues with touchpads(usingan Asus R510L)?
[17:02] <Bomber_> if so, please PM me
[17:39] <notrev> hi all, i'm trying to install project-noen5 packages, to try it, but i get an error when trying to install kio-extras. Did anybody get the same error?
[17:40] <notrev> s/project-noen5/project-neon5/
[18:09] <zero_coder> ctrl+space not working in emacs in kubuntu
[18:42] <alvin> I have here a dualboot system. Network works in Windows 8.1, but not in Kubuntu. Any ideas? I tried networkmangler with DHCP and static, and /etc/network/interfaces with DHCP and static. All with the last 3 kernels. The system detects cable connect/disconnect and when using DHCP, just keeps trying. I disabled UFW.
[18:42] <alvin> Oh, and it used to work...
[18:47] <lordievader> alvin: You don't get an IP address?
[18:47] <alvin> lordievader: Only wen setting one manually, but I can still ping nothing at all
[18:48] <lordievader> alvin: Sorry, what?
[18:48] <alvin> Ah, no. I misread. I don't get an IP address.
[18:49] <lordievader> alvin: What do your logs report?
[18:49] <alvin> I mainly tried DHCP, even tried disabling IPv6 in networkmanager, but the logs still show tries on IPv6
[18:49] <alvin> Nothing out of the ordinary. Only the tries on <IP_ADDRESS> and that nothing is received
[18:50] <alvin> I'd paste them, but I had to reboot in Windows to have network.
[18:50] <lordievader> alvin: Sound like your dhcp server is not responding.
[18:50] <alvin> Tried unloading the e1000e module and reloading. That works, but still. Nothing
[18:51] <alvin> That's not it. Windows is also using DHCP, and I released the address there and asked a new one. I also restarted the DHCP service. On top of that, it's a pfsense box. They don't break ;-)
[18:52] <alvin> nm-tool just shows 'connecting' for the wired entry. That's it. The pc keeps trying.
[18:52] <alvin> The pfsense logs show nothing, except when I use Windows.
[18:53] <lordievader> alvin: Does your dhcp server see the request?
[18:53] <alvin> No, it does not
[18:54] <alvin> Could it be the driver?
[18:54] <alvin> In that case I'll have to use an experimental kernel. I'm just running plain Kubuntu 14.04 now, didn't update for a week now.
[18:55] <lordievader> Might be, is it a very new machine?
[18:55] <alvin> Yes, well, pretty much. The card is an Intel I217-V or something
[18:56] <lordievader> alvin: Did you check if it is supported by your kernel?
[18:56] <alvin> But installing Kubuntu was the first thing I did on that machine. And it has been working for months now. Only, I didn't use Kubuntu for a week on this machine, and now there's no network anymore.
[20:37] <kbroulik> what can be the reason for various kde4/qt4 apps crashing with "*** Error in `amarok': realloc(): invalid pointer: 0x000000000060b1c0 ***" ? amarok for example, lightdm (which is quite inconvenient) as well..
[20:38] <genii> kbroulik: Probably want to install amarok-dbg and make a bug report
[20:38] <kbroulik> doesnt seem application specific
[20:39] <kbroulik> happens to varous kde4-/qt4-based apps
[20:40] <lordievader> kbroulik: Sounds like it does some not allowed memory operation.
[20:41] <kbroulik> backtrace is useless either. I have dbg installed, and all it does say "in raise.c sigabrt was raised because of the aforementioned issue"
[20:41] <kbroulik> oh stupid me, xd
[20:42] <kbroulik> http://paste.kde.org/peftxntca ← but I have no idea what changed that this suddenly started happening
[20:43] <kbroulik> I dont even have a qt4 dev setup anyway, so I could not have screwed that up compiling/buildig stuff. if 5 stuff, sure, but not qt4/kde4 apps
[20:50] <sqph> when running apt-get upgrade, it says the following packages have been held back (linux-generic ; linux-headers-generic ; linux-image-generic) and the following package will be upgraded (linux-libc-dev)
[20:51] <sqph> However, when I launch Muon Update Manager, it seems to prepare for upgrading all of the above
[20:51] <sqph> what's the difference?
[21:00] <sqph> it seems I could add option --with-new-pkgs and it would upgrade all 4, plus install 4 new pkgs (linux-headers-3.13.0-37 ; linux-headers-3.13.0-37-generic ; linux-image-3.13.0-37-generic ; linux-image-extra-3.13.0-37-generic)
[21:03] <sqph> if doing so could brake something, then it seems strange that Muon Update Manager would do that as default
[21:13] <lordievader> sqph: Muon runs "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:14] <sqph> oh really...like every time?
[21:14] <lordievader> sqph: Don't know. But if it install those kinds of updates, yes.
[21:14] <tsimpson> it doesn't actually run that command, but it emulates its effects
[21:14] <sqph> so the whole stability of my kubuntu distro depends on apt-get "smart" conflict resolution system
[21:15] <sqph> ah ok that's probably different
[21:15] <sqph> still unsure what's better: muon or apt-get
[21:16] <tsimpson> apt has pretty good conflict resolution so long as packagers use the appropriate options
[21:16] <tsimpson> both use the apt system
[21:16] <sqph> what's the difference between apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:18] <sqph> in the man page, there is no statement that --with-new-pkgs may remove packages, maybe the conflict resolution system is more conservative?
[21:18] <sqph> (but there is such statement for dist-upgrade)
[21:22] <Bomber> anyone know how to properlly install synaptic drivers?
[21:26] <tsimpson> sqph: I don't know, it's probably burred somewhere in apt's documentation.
[21:28] <sqph> tsimpson: right. I guess it's not quite at the top of the list of additional things I need to learn yet.
[21:28] <sqph> thanks
[21:29] <tsimpson> sure
[21:49] <sinclairos> hi
[21:50] <sinclairos> yes yes
[21:51] <genii> Hm
[22:30] <DaniUser> hi all
[22:30] <DaniUser> bro
[22:30] <DaniUser> :D
[22:31] <DaniUser> i have
[22:31] <DaniUser> a
[22:31] <DaniUser>  one special question
[22:31] <DaniUser> i dont have any
[22:31] <DaniUser> packagre
[22:31] <DaniUser> how to update my packages
[22:31] <DaniUser> in apt
[22:34] <rww> 1) sudo apt-get update; 2) put questions all on one line, please
[22:34] <DaniUser> sorry
[22:35] <DaniUser> how to change password
[22:35] <DaniUser> for
[22:35] <DaniUser> root:?>
[22:35] <Pici> !root
[22:38] <DaniUser> hi
[22:39] <DaniUser> iresolved
[22:39] <DaniUser> with that   sudo passwd root etering the my password then entering the new password for root access
[22:46] <rww> !noroot
[22:51] <TheFakeazneD525> systemd-consoled
[22:54] <DaniUser> scuse me
[22:54] <DaniUser> sorry
[22:54] <DaniUser> sorry
[22:54] <DaniUser> this forum its for help
[22:55] <DaniUser> chat *
[22:55] <DaniUser> and
[22:55] <DaniUser> i just want to say what i found :x
[22:55] <DaniUser> but yeah the  root its very danger account   someone who dont understand what can do it
[22:56] <lukimya> ?
[23:03] <DaniUser> am
[23:04] <DaniUser> how to install lamp-server
[23:04] <DaniUser> in
[23:04] <DaniUser> kubuntu
[23:04] <DaniUser> do  it possible:?
[23:04] <DaniUser> because
[23:04] <DaniUser> the package no existing
[23:05] <tsimpson> see https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/ and specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/web-servers.html
[23:08] <DaniUser> you its very helplul
[23:43] <ibsin> Hello all
[23:44] <ibsin> Can anyone help mewith the KAddress Book?
[23:44] <valorie> what difficulty are you having, ibsin?
[23:44] <ibsin> I'mtrying to import my Google contacts, and when I click OK, it pops up and says 'You must assign at least one column.'
[23:45] <valorie> weird
[23:45] <valorie> I would try #kontact
[23:45] <valorie> if nobody speaks up here
[23:45] <ibsin> Alright, lemme give that one a go
[23:46] <valorie> unfortunately, it's night in Europe, where most of our people live
[23:51] <bprompt> ibsin:      import to what again?
[23:51] <ibsin> Import myGoogle contacts into KAddress Book?
[23:51] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:51] <ibsin> Oh, anyone know what the lil plus and minux sysmbols are that show up on the folders?
[23:51] <ibsin> I'm new to Kubuntu, so, I don't know some of things that are different xD
[23:51] <bprompt> ibsin:    does google have that service?   I don't see it in kaddressbook itself
[23:52] <ibsin> I exported my contacts as a .csv file, which, I know KAddress Book takes.
[23:52] <bprompt> [+]  /   [-]  ?    expand / collapse folder
[23:53] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:53] <bprompt> ibsin:    can you paste just a couple of lines from the .csv?   maybe is the formatting
[23:53] <bprompt> `paste
[23:53] <bprompt> !paste | ibsin


[05:30] <mlankhorst> ogasawara: I think a bisection might be useful then, morning :)
[05:30] <mlankhorst> if saucy worked
[11:46] <rbasak> Is there any easy way to get the kernel to no-op every fsync-type request? A command line parameter would be nice.
[11:47] <rbasak> I can use eatmydata, but it's particularly awkward when for example I want to speed up what juju is doing inside a container that it created.
[13:00] <apw> rbasak, i can't see anything specific in the general paths
[13:02] <rbasak> OK, thanks for looking.
[14:10] <apw> hallyn, what union solution are you using for containers
[14:11] <apw> henrix, there is a potential format change coming here for overlayfs which will have painful consequences
[14:11] <apw> stgraber, ^^
[14:11] <apw> hallyn, ^
[14:15] <stgraber> apw: we support both overlayfs and aufs
[14:16] <stgraber> apw: format change as in the overlay won't be stored in the same way and any existing overlays will cause chaos when mounted again?
[14:16] <apw> stgraber, whiteouts won't be represented in the same way indeed
[14:18] <stgraber> fun...
[14:19] <stgraber> and they didn't care about backward compatibility (being able to read the old whiteouts)?
[14:20] <stgraber> (note that this won't only affect LXC but also everyone using a persistent Ubuntu USB stick, which may be far more common)
[14:21] <rtg> stgraber, only if they upgrade their kernel to 3.16
[14:22] <stgraber> rtg: indeed. I'm not sure how many people are crazy enough to dist-upgrade one of those, so hopefully this won't be a big problem :)
[14:22] <rtg> seems like a rare enough use case
[14:32] <apw> stgraber, there is a conversion script (one way at least) i am not sure if that helps us any
[14:50] <jsalisbury> **
[14:50] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:50] <jsalisbury> **
[14:51] <apw> didn't we cancel that ?
[15:15] <hallyn> apw: ffs, they can't recognize and honor the old whiteouts whiel using the new ones?
[15:15] <apw> hallyn, they don't currently; this is not a version in ubuntu yet
[15:42] <jsalisbury> **
[15:42] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - CANCELED Today
[15:42] <jsalisbury> **
[16:00] <kdeuser56> how I can fetch the kernel config for a specific kernel release?
[16:01] <kdeuser56> suppose I have a variable in shell script called KERNEL_VERSION and I want that script to fetch the ubuntu config?
[18:46] <apw> kdeuser56, those are included in the binary packages for a kernel, so y9ou would have to download the binary package "linux-image-*" for that version and extract the /boot/Config-*


[02:46] <pabs3> wgrant: Debian put out a sec update for gpg2 for the issue I mentioned: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2022/msg00142.html
[04:59] <wgrant> pabs3: Thanks for the link -- good that there's a CVE assigned now. We've patched it locally, not sure what the status of the Ubuntu update is.
[05:24] <pabs3> not mentioned on the Ubuntu sectracker https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-34903


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[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:42] <OnTheRocks> hello
[10:42] <OnTheRocks> how can i monitor cpu temp in nagios in a server via snmp?
[12:43] <billxtn> i need help i am trying to conneect to an open wifi with mac filter it worked just fine until yesterday it show me my ip in ifconfig but im not connected in iwconfig
[12:45] <lordievader> Static ip? (Besides rather use iproute2 instead of ifconfig)
[12:46] <billxtn> iproute2?
[12:47] <lordievader> Yes, or the binary name 'ip'.
[12:47] <lordievader> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/ip.8.html
[13:22] <billxtn> thanks it worked
[13:24] <billxtn> now i'm trying to to add my open wifi essid to the /etc/network/interfaces file
[13:24] <billxtn> can i use wpa-ssid for an open wifi?
[13:27] <lordievader> What do you mean? WPA is an encryption method. Not really sure what you mean with wpa-ssid...
[13:27] <billxtn> or i use wireless-essid
[13:31] <lordievader> Ah, now I see what you mean.
[13:33] <lordievader> Do you control the wifi network by the way? If so, why ain't it encrypted?
[13:35] <lordievader> I suppose just defining wpa-ssid should work.
[13:35] <billxtn> well i controle it
[13:36] <billxtn> there but am using mac filter because of things didn't go well in the biginning
[13:37] <billxtn> well if i put wpa-ssid with open wifi it ork?
[13:37] <lordievader> I suppose, yes.
[13:38] <lordievader> Anyhow you do realize that anyone with a wifi antenna can see your traffic right?
[13:38] <lordievader> A mac filter is also trivial to subvert.
[13:40] <billxtn> ow thanks for the information
[13:40] <billxtn> i have to change it
[13:40] <lordievader> Yes, that is strongly advisable ;)
[13:40] <lordievader> Go with wpa2.
[13:42] <billxtn> ok thanks again
[19:12] <window95> hey   i have a fresh ubuntu server here and am looking for the inetd.conf    doesn't seem to be anywhere
[19:16] <lordievader> Is inetd installed?
[19:17] <window95> i don' tbelieve so it seems (from what i'm reading) theres something called xinetd that is more common
[19:18] <window95> wasn't sure if i was able to use inetd instead   ftr huge noob if it isn't obvious so please forgive
[20:09] <jrwren> what are you trying to do?
[20:14] <window95> trying to run bitlbee
[20:14] <window95> and i need to edit this inetd file or xinetd or something
[20:14] <bekks> window95: You should use nvidia-prime instead, since bumblebee is deprecated.
[20:15] <window95> bitlbee is not the same as bumblebee bekks
[20:15] <bekks> GEez, nevermind, totally misread it :D
[20:15] <window95> bitlbee is a thing that lets you integrate other chats/IM services into your iRC client (so I can have like a twitter stream channel)
[20:15] <window95> lol nm
[20:15] <window95> np
[20:33] <lordievader> Bitlbee doesn't need inetd does it?
[20:35] <lordievader> Ah, that is one of the modes. Why not use the ForkDaemon mode? That is what I use.
[20:57] <window95> lordievader   yeah i was actually gonna ask about that
[20:57] <window95> i was on the bitlbee channel they are helping me a bit there. Seems for my purposes ForkDaemon is best. What do you use it for if you don't mind me asking? Im mainly gonna use it for Twitter i think
[21:00] <lordievader> Facebook and gtalk. Zabbix pings me through gtalk ;)
[21:06] <window95> nice
[21:06] <window95> ugh
[21:06] <window95> If you read this, you most likely accidentally started BitlBee in inetd mode on the command line. You probably want to run it in (Fork)Daemon mode. See doc/README for more information.
[21:06] <window95> how to i stop it... lol i can't do anything else now it seems
[21:27] <lordievader> kill <pid>?
[21:27] <window95> lordievader thnx stopped a while ago on its own accord lol


[22:50] <CarlFK> scortal  -  nothing that makes me think there is any point trying to work things out.  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nDZZWghys7/
[22:50] <CarlFK> Is there an ops faq so I can correctly act on this?
[22:52] <CarlFK> I know there is a ban tracker I should interact with
[22:54] <kryten> CarlFK: Just set a ban matching them and you'll be PM'd by the bot.
[22:55] <CarlFK> oh nice.
[22:56] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide does not explain this, but a lot of other things
[22:56] <tomreyn> actually, it does explain, but this may be outdated
[22:57] <tomreyn> the part about the ban tracker, that is