[03:30] <aLeSD> hi
[03:30] <aLeSD> is there an ardour 2.8.4 around ?
[12:17] <DaK_FFK> hello!
[12:22] <marsilainen> hi


[12:38] <Vanfanel> hi there,
[12:39] <Vanfanel> after adding ppa:tiomap-dev/release repository on Ubuntu 12.04, I wanted to install kernel package: linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4
[12:40] <Vanfanel> however, running update & upgrade will only install OMAP4 kernel 3.4
[12:40] <Vanfanel> do you know what's the problem, please?
[12:44] <ndec> Vanfanel: where is this kernel supposed to come from?
[12:45] <Vanfanel> The one I want to install? From this PPA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[12:45] <ndec> the 12.04 TI PPA only has 3.4, not 3.5
[12:46] <Vanfanel> but in that page it says it's supported in 12.04, or am I reading/interpreting it wrong?
[12:47] <ndec> 12.04 is 'precise'
[12:48] <ndec> i don't see 3.5 mentioned as supported in 12.04.
[12:48] <ndec> 12.04 'official' kernel is 3.2, and the TI PPA comes with 3.4
[13:22] <Vanfanel> ndec: sorry to insist but, what does this line mean then??
[13:23] <Vanfanel> 3.5.0-233.49 proposed (main) 2013-09-16
[13:23] <Vanfanel> It's under The Quantal Quetzal
[13:23] <Vanfanel> here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[13:23] <Vanfanel> My understanding on that line is that 3.5 IS supported on QQ
[13:24] <Vanfanel> Obviously I'm wring
[13:24] <ndec> QQ is 12.04
[13:24] <Vanfanel> wrong
[13:24] <ndec> QQ is 12.10, i meant
[13:24] <Vanfanel> ahh!
[13:24] <ndec> ;-)
[13:24] <Vanfanel> Precisse Pangolin is 12.04 then...
[13:24] <Vanfanel> I see
[13:24] <Vanfanel> haha, now it's clear :D
[13:24] <Vanfanel> Let me add a last question
[13:25] <Vanfanel> Let's see I have that page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
[13:25] <Vanfanel> how could I add that PPA to 13.04, for example?
[13:25] <ndec> this page is not a PPA
[13:25] <Vanfanel> would it be the same? ie: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release
[13:25] <ndec> this web page is the 'official' archive content
[13:25] <Vanfanel> but that page is.. ehmm..  info about a PPA, right?
[13:26] <ndec> no. it's info about a specific package from the ubuntu archive
[13:26] <Vanfanel> ok
[13:26] <Vanfanel> well, ppa:tiomap-dev/release IS a PPA, then
[13:27] <Vanfanel> so I should be able to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release
[13:27] <Vanfanel> in 13.04 too
[13:27] <Vanfanel> right?
[13:28] <ogra_> no
[13:28] <ogra_> there are no packages for 13.04 in the PPA
[13:28] <ogra_> would be pointless to add it
[13:28] <Vanfanel> but OMAP4 special packages ARE installable in desktop 13.04, as if the PPA would come already installed
[13:29] <ogra_> in the ubuntu desktop images all latest packages for GLES support are preinstalled
[13:29] <Vanfanel> so.. where do these packages come from in 13.04?
[13:29] <ogra_> from the archive
[13:29] <Vanfanel> they can't be "retrieved" from a repository in 13.04 then?
[13:30] <ogra_> from the ubuntu archive
[13:30] <ogra_> but they are already installed if yoou use the desktop image, there is nothing to add
[13:30] <Vanfanel> ogra_: you mean from the official Ubuntu repositories, don't you?
[13:30] <ogra_> (we dont have codecs for any later release than 12.10)
[13:30] <ogra_> yes
[13:31] <ogra_> the PPA only offers yoou codecs fro video playback that only work in 12.10
[13:31] <ogra_> there is nothing else in that PPA anymore afaik
[13:31] <Vanfanel> ogra_: I am using 12.04 "core". I got to install from PPA every needed OMAP4 package (kernel, EGL/GLES/libgbm)
[13:32] <Vanfanel> and tried 13.04 ·desktop"
[13:32] <ogra_> ugh
[13:32] <ogra_> dont use core
[13:32] <ogra_> it is not for being used, it is for image builders
[13:32] <Vanfanel> you told me so, ogra_ .. and believe me, I tried the desktop option
[13:32] <Vanfanel> but it's SO slow it's unusable
[13:32] <ogra_> (if you want to design an image for a car manufacturer for example)
[13:32] <Vanfanel> totally utterly unusable
[13:32] <Vanfanel> And CORE is fast and light
[13:33] <Vanfanel> I don't need Xorg stuff at all
[13:33] <ogra_> sure, then go ahead if you feel like
[13:33] <ogra_> why do you fiddle with the PPA then
[13:33] <Vanfanel> so building from core is way easier for me...
[13:33] <ogra_> if you dont need graphical stuff
[13:33] <Vanfanel> Because I need EGL/GLES on KMS
[13:33] <Vanfanel> not X
[13:33] <Vanfanel> I do need graphics, but not X
[13:33] <ogra_> yes, then you want the pvr driver from the ubuntu archive
[13:33] <ogra_> *dont* use the PPA
[13:34] <Vanfanel> I already have everything working on 12.04 core
[13:34] <Vanfanel> ah
[13:34] <Vanfanel> ok,ok
[13:34] <Vanfanel> so, in 13.04, I just don't need to add the PPA!
[13:34] <Vanfanel> :D
[13:34] <Vanfanel> I just need to install the OMAP4 stuff from the default Ubuntu repos, right??
[13:34] <Vanfanel> on 13.04, that's it
[13:36] <ndec> Vanfanel: ogra_: right, iirc, we released the PVR drivers for 13.04 and they were uploaded in the archive. i forgot about that...
[13:37] <ndec> i don't remember if what we released at that time had a working EGL/KMS though.
[13:37] <ndec> also, that wouldn't get you any Gstreamer codec stuff.
[13:37] <ogra_> ndec, i dont think we changed anything for 13.04
[13:37] <Vanfanel> I don't need any gstreamer stuff, don't worry
[13:37] <ogra_> i know Laney and mlankhorst took quite some effort to keep the quantal stack actually
[13:37] <Vanfanel> it's for an "embedded" project that uses GLES/EGL/KMS only
[13:38] <ndec> ogra_: still, we don't know what the status of EGL/KMS (e.g. PVR without X11) is with that is in the archive. we might have updaded our drivers in the PPA after we released that to you.
[13:38] <Vanfanel> ndec: I would need updated drivers as some libgbm functions this project uses aren't implemented in the libdrm in 12.04
[13:39] <Vanfanel> ndec: so I could use the latest pvr libgbm if available..
[13:39] <ndec> well, the most 'up-to-date' version would be in the 12.04 PPA.
[13:40] <ndec> but i am not sure if that would work with 13.04 or not.
[13:40] <Vanfanel> particularly, this function is unimplemented: gbm_surface_has_free_buffers()
[13:40] <ndec> for sure it wouldn't work with 13.04 if you were using X11 (X11 ABI changed), but for X-less, i don't know
[13:41] <Vanfanel> X-less only. But if I won't get any new version in 13.04, I'll stay with 12.04 I guess
[13:43] <ndec> well, TI has supported 12.04 until March/April this year. so that's your best bet.
[13:43] <ndec> there has never been any official support on 13.04 or beyond. we only made one code drop to canonical for the PVR drivers to be included in 13.04
[13:47] <Vanfanel> I feeld sad for the Pandaboard, it's such a great product :(
[13:49] <ndec> Vanfanel: indeed... most people from TI found new jobs... only panda was left alone ;-)
[13:50] <Vanfanel> ndec: how hard is it for the PVR on the Panda to get FOSS drivers? For x-less EGL/GLES/KMS stuff without TI involvement
[13:51] <Vanfanel> no binaries, in the same manner as Intel chipsets get
[13:51] <ndec> well, i would say that if the scale is 1 to 10 (from trivial to complex), i would say 100 ;-)
[13:52] <ndec> you realize that you are asking for reverse engineering the PVR GPU, right?
[13:52] <Vanfanel> ndec: well, I was thinking about some ex-IT guy doing it by knowing the chip's inners
[13:53] <ndec> hehe... i wonder who you might be thinking about ;-)
[13:53] <Vanfanel> but according to robclark, you're under DNA
[13:53] <Vanfanel> you / him
[13:53] <ndec> yeah, i believe so. that would be very complex anyways to write from scratch., very complex.
[13:55] <Vanfanel> well, I value a good opinion, so I'm really thankful for your effort in clearing this out for me :)
[13:56] <ndec> np.
[19:53] <Vanfanel> hi there,
[19:53] <Vanfanel> on an OMAP dev board
[19:53] <Vanfanel> is it possible to boot using omapfb instead of omapdrm using TI's kernel?
[19:53] <Vanfanel> it boots, by default, with omapdrm
[19:54] <Vanfanel> and I need omapfb's specific features
[20:33] <Vanfanel> ok... let's see
[20:34] <Vanfanel> do you know where can I find the sources for linux-image-3.4.0-1490-omap4 ?
[20:34] <Vanfanel> how can I install these sources or where is the git repo to get them?
[23:26] <AmEv> Hey again.
[23:31] <AmEv> Same question as always: Getting Ubuntu on the Toshiba Thrive.


[13:57] <hacktus0> I created the socket in C (client and server). I tested and my apply, in my computer, and function. But when I do connection with my computer at other computer (the computers have server and client), then don't function. the messages are : connection refused (in localhost) and connection timed out (with my IPv4).
[13:57] <hacktus0> can you help me please
[13:57] <hacktus0> ?
[17:06] <jykae> Is it yet possible to package mobile web apps for Ubuntu Software Center?
[17:39] <dpm> jykae, you can package mobile apps just as any other type of app
[18:19] <jykae> Normal deb-packaging works for mobile also?
[18:20] <jykae> Do you have instructions for people who are not using IDEs?
[18:20] <jykae> I'd like to develop without Qt Creator.
[18:22] <jykae> I wonder when I could get my hands on that new Ubuntu Touch on a mobile device


[05:07] <OerHeks> oh, https://techerati.com/news-hub/bt-turns-to-ubuntu-openstack-for-cloud-based-5g-core/
[07:49] <aneon> hullo
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> welcome aneon
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> aneon: so, whats this discussion you want to talk about?
[07:49] <aneon> hey
[07:50] <aneon> when I install any visualization stack my system goes crazy
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> aneon: can you detail what you mean with visualisation stack?
[07:51] <aneon> I have lots of resource intensive important services running and I am not able to cope with 300% cputime situation
[07:51] <aneon> ELK, splunk, etc
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> desktop or server?
[07:51] <aneon> I've built a machine learning for suricata and I want to see what it is doing for real
[07:51] <aneon> server with KDE
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> a 300% cpu kde server heh?
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> running with ubuntu release?
[07:52] <aneon> when I need to run the visualizers I kill the X and switch to tui
[07:52] <aneon> Bionic
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> aneon: what kind of specs?
[07:53] <aneon> intel quadcore 6th gen, 16gb ram, 4 hdds, nvidia gpu
[07:53] <daftykins> server and desktop in the same sentence, this cannot be
[07:54] <aneon> people install DE on top of server
[07:54] <daftykins> poorly misguided ones maybe
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:54] <aneon> when I want to use ELK or splunk I drop to tui
[07:55] <aneon> I need to use DE for other reasons
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> aneon: if you have issues setting up ubuntu server, try the #ubuntu-server channel
[07:57] <aneon> guys who said misguided users probably doesn't use infrastrure for anything other than running ftp servers
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> aneon: ubuntu server is meant for cli usage originally
[07:58] <daftykins> far from it, FTP is a bit 90s
[07:58] <aneon> I am looking for a tool for visualization of certain data
[07:59] <aneon> using it as a cli most of the time but I need to use some other math stuff for work and the cli isn't useful for that
[07:59] <daftykins> too vague.
[07:59] <aneon> becuase you are shallow
[08:00] <daftykins> hang on now, why are you making things personal here so quickly?
[08:00] <aneon>  you did it
[08:01] <daftykins> ...no
[08:01] <aneon> anyway
[08:01] <daftykins> are you going to apologise and get to the point?
[08:01] <aneon> nope
[08:01] <aneon> I dont apologize to spring chickens
[08:01] <daftykins> well there's nobody here but us chickens
[08:02] <aneon> if dont have any useful input then dont bother
[08:03] <aneon> right now I am not able to process DPI due to 350% cputime so I am fairly pissed
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> please mind your language aneon
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> stay professional
[08:04] <aneon> I am trying
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> aneon: if i was you, i would go ask in #ubuntu-server whats your best build, a cli ubuntu-server or an ubuntu-desktop GUI for your use
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> aneon: if you gonna mix both, you might get into trouble
[08:05] <aneon> I will try that or post on old fashioned mailing lists
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> mailing list to where?
[08:05] <aneon> like I said when I start ELK or spluk I kill gui
[08:06] <aneon> I will probably post everywhere
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> you are mad your problem doesnt work, and you gonna randomly post it everywhere?
[08:08] <aneon> yeah
[08:09] <aneon> not on the lubuntu or other flavors but relevant ones for sure
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> well we advice not to aneon, start from the start and get official ubuntu documentation first
[08:10] <aneon> I have it already, this happens only on Ubuntu
[08:11] <aneon> on FreeBSD there is no lag, cputime stays around 120%, I can handle that
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> aneon: well maybe you are using ubuntu wrong way then, talk to the #ubuntu-server guys
[08:12] <aneon> on SLES it is about 90-100% most of the time
[08:12] <aneon> I don't think I am doing anything wrong, that is why I got here
[08:13] <aneon> maybe the precompiled packages are the problem
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> aneon: if you find a !bug in ubuntu file it
[08:15] <aneon> some repo packages I can't use so I had to compile them with DPDK, hyperscan, cuda, etc
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> aneon: well we dont support own compiling, thats where supports stops
[08:15] <aneon> I will, doing a regex now for collecting information
[08:17] <aneon> I know, I am not asking for support for whatever I have compiled, it works the way it should and beyond adding additional configurations I have not done much
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-19.10-July-Progress
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[20:58] <hggdh> lordcirth: !hotspot added
[20:58] <lordcirth> Cool!


[00:51] <ahoneybun> valorie, ping?
[00:53] <ahoneybun> https://plus.google.com/+MartinWimpress/posts/7szGx8EZDb3
[00:53] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu 16.04 on a Rasberry Pi 3
[03:35] <valorie> ahoneybun: pong
 ^^
[07:34] <vip> hi ho
[07:35] <vip> what's the release date of new version?
[07:37] <vip> ah, 21
[08:36]  * soee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ....
[09:12] <franklin_>  Hi, I just sent a patch on the kubuntu discussion mailing list about SDDM installing, but I'm also wondering if it is the right way to send a patch
[09:15] <soee> yofel: ^
[09:20] <valorie> franklin_: people have sent patches on the list before
[09:22] <franklin_>  so...
[09:22] <valorie> so I'm sure it will be OK, and if not, whoever needs it in a different form will tell you so
[09:25] <franklin_> ok thx
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:53] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:53] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[18:56] <clivejo> very quiet in here!
[19:04] <BluesKaj> yup, hi clivejo
[19:06] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[19:06] <clivejo> how are you?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> god clivejo, and you ?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> good even
[19:08] <clivejo> not too bad thanks
[19:43] <clivejo> kci is still broken :(
[19:56] <valorie> I ran into a problem with muon last night -- I was trying to check my list of sources and be sure that all PPAs were gone in xenial
[19:57] <valorie> however, although it asked for my password, it never seems to have gotten it
[19:58] <valorie> now it won't even check for updates, because of an Authentication error
[20:10] <mhall119> Hi everyone, can you tell me what GUI software installer/app store Kubuntu uses?
[20:11] <ahoneybun> mhall119, Muon Discover I believe is the main one
[20:11] <mhall119> thanks ahoneybun
 updating with Discover, wish me luck
[20:15] <mhall119> does it support different backends like Gnome Software does?
 I'm not sure tbh
[20:16] <sgclark> Muon, but it is not maintained upstream KDe anymore AFAIK. Seems to be a pain point to me but meh.
[20:19] <ahoneybun> mhall119, ^
[20:20] <mhall119> sgclark: does upstream have an alternative?
[20:21] <sgclark> discover I think? not really clear on what they did there.
[20:21] <valorie> muon has gotten a few patches recently, but as I said above -- experiencing problems with it today
[20:21] <mhall119> oh, so Muon and Muon Discover are different things?
[20:22] <valorie> discover is now called Plasma Discover
[20:22] <valorie> there is no longer a muon discover
[20:22] <valorie> and muon is now standalone, and a bit drifting atm
[20:22] <sgclark> like I said, I am confused, I do not understand why we are still using something barely/not maintained. And they did some splits and dropped support for muon.
[20:23] <valorie> sgclark: I was just testing muon
[20:23] <valorie> I want new maintainers for it
[20:23] <valorie> synaptic is ... blah
[20:24] <valorie> and I personally do not like software store stuff
[20:24] <sgclark> I see
[20:24] <valorie> sgclark: still visiting your family in AZ?
[20:24] <sgclark> well I use command line. So I dunno.
[20:24] <sgclark> valorie: yes I am still on "vacation"
[20:24] <valorie> me too, but I think we should have an alternative too
[20:25] <valorie> very good, you need one!
[20:25] <sgclark> well yeah, but prefferably maintained and not patched up broken mess
[20:25] <valorie> I agree
[20:25] <valorie> we should probably remove it from the ISO soon
[20:25] <valorie> before that packageset gets locked down
[20:25] <sgclark> if it is broken , yes... we are getting pummeled with bugs for it.
[20:26] <sgclark> hense my bitterness towards it.
[20:26] <clivejo> valorie: whats the problem you are having with Muon PM?
[20:26] <valorie> read up a bit clivejo -- it isn't taking my password, evidently
[20:26] <sgclark> okies, off to watch a movie with the family.
[20:26] <clivejo> just today?
[20:27] <valorie> last night and today
[20:27] <valorie> I've not filed a bug report yet
[20:27] <valorie> have to leave for a meeting in a few mins
[20:27] <clivejo> I dont think its muon
[20:27] <clivejo> Im having issues signing packages too
[20:28] <clivejo> no longer popping up the gui to enter my password
[20:28] <clivejo> but its only started today
[20:28] <valorie> something is messed up in my sources
[20:28] <valorie> but when I examine /etc/apt/sources.list everything looks good
[20:29] <clivejo> I installed quite a few packages last night
[20:29] <valorie> I think I need to mess with /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ but....
[20:29] <valorie> I wanted muon to do that for me
[20:29] <valorie> and it would not
[20:34] <valorie> ok, time to get ready to leave for meet with financial planner
[20:34]  * clivejo wishes he had money to plan for
[20:36] <mhall119> ahoneybun: can you re-open the discussion with Tom about Kubuntu DVD art?
[20:36] <mhall119> and see if he has time to work on a hybrid of the Ubuntu/KDE ?
[20:36] <clivejo> I still need a sponsor for Muon PM :(
[20:37] <acheron> just updated packages using muon PM and no probs here with it taking my password etc
[20:37] <clivejo> o/ acheron
[20:38]  * clivejo kicks hash sum mismatch
[20:38] <ahoneybun> I can mhall119 let me get a hold of ovidiu-florin and work on something
[20:40] <mhall119> thanks ahoneybun
[20:40] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: you around?
[20:42] <ahoneybun> mhall119: getting Snappy to work just sounds like extra work for already super hard working developers like sgclark, yofel and clivejo
[20:42]  * ahoneybun wishes IRC had a delete option
[20:43] <mhall119> ahoneybun: snapcraft should make that as little extra work as possible, using existing build scripts or even binary debs
[20:43] <clivejo> ahoneybun: one of the new maintainers for Muon PM was talking about adding support for snappy
[20:43] <sgclark> snappy is on my want to do list. however, it has been brought to my attention I need a job that pays haha. But we'll see.
[20:43] <sgclark> can we just get Muon working first? that would be great.
[20:44] <clivejo> Muon PM is working
[20:44] <ahoneybun> +1 to that
[20:44] <clivejo> but I need a sponsor
[20:44] <ahoneybun> mhall119: it is more of a Ubuntu thing then us at KDE land
[20:44] <clivejo> sgclark: Bug 1562406
[20:45] <mhall119> sgclark: https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=1094 :)
[20:45] <sgclark> clivejo: I don't have the rights to sponser or I would :(
[20:45] <ahoneybun> yea someone needs to pay more attention to those FFE's then darn Snappy
[20:45] <mhall119> ahoneybun: true, but it might be a nice fit between Kubuntu and Neon
[20:46]  * ahoneybun dislikes Neon
[20:47] <clivejo> Carlo Vanini has indicated he would like to update the Muon PM interface to QML and also add extra features
[20:47] <clivejo> hes friendly enough guy to talk to
[20:47] <clivejo> and I think hes a Kubuntu fan :)
[20:48]  * clivejo crosses fingers
[20:49] <ahoneybun> mhall119: poke the people who deal with FFE's please
[20:50] <clivejo> is there any way to get past our current upload block with baloo?
[20:51] <clivejo> we have packages ready to go but being blocked by failed tests
[20:51] <mhall119> ahoneybun: is there no longer anyone on the Kubuntu team who can do this?
[20:51] <ahoneybun> we do, they take forever to reply
[20:52] <clivejo> yofel can, but hes only one guy doing it in his free time, its not fair
[20:52] <mhall119> ok, I'll see which Ubuntu devs I can round up
[20:53] <ahoneybun> thanks mhall119
[20:56] <clivejo> mhall119: do you have MOTU?
[20:56]  * mhall119 is calling in a favor for help with it
[20:57] <mhall119> clivejo: no, I barely know what I'm doing when it comes to deb packaging
[20:57] <mhall119> not for lack of trying
[20:59] <sgclark> mhall119: ty, applying.
[20:59] <sgclark> ok, off to spend time with family for realz
[21:04]  * ahoneybun might have broke the docs website
[21:05] <ahoneybun> is yofel still on vacation?
[21:05] <yofel> no, I'm here
[21:06] <yofel> just got other stuff to do so far and no energy left
[21:07] <ahoneybun> idk sphinx is giving me this: ImportError: No module named sphinx_bootstrap_theme
[21:07] <ahoneybun> I never touched the conf.py file
[21:07] <ahoneybun> just updated a .rst file
[21:08] <ahoneybun> so the site is still fine
[21:08]  * ahoneybun finds food
[21:08] <yofel> hm.... that sounds familira
[21:08] <yofel> *familiar
[21:13] <clivejo> anyone seem Rick?
[21:13] <clivejo> seen?
[21:14] <soee_> nope
[21:14]  * soee_ is happy - has his VPS runnng :)
[21:14] <clivejo> he was to upload the Muon packaging fixes to his PPA
[21:18] <ahoneybun> clivejo: rick is usually quiet before the show lol
[21:19] <clivejo> :(
[21:19]  * ahoneybun checks on him