[10:15] <qwebirc19614> hello
[10:16] <qwebirc19614> knows someboby to answer in a question ?
[10:16] <qwebirc19614> can i install apps in my mythbuntu systam ?


[10:52] <Dark_Witcher> Hello.
[10:52] <Dark_Witcher> Anyone can give me a hand?
[10:53] <Dark_Witcher> I get this error in my terminal and I have no idea how to fix it
[10:53] <Dark_Witcher> bash: /etc/profile.d/vte.sh: No such file or directory
[15:37] <polibus> hi 0/
[15:37] <polibus> anyone knows how to enable the hotcorner??
[15:59] <fossfreedom> polibus: install brightside - use brightside --properties to configure hotcorners
[15:59] <polibus> ty fossfreedom
[16:21] <fossfreedom> polibus: sorry typo - brightside-properties to configure
[16:23] <polibus> np thanks for help
[16:54] <polibus> fossfreedom: did you know what is the command for the dashboard?
[16:55] <fossfreedom> polibus: are you referring to the settings ?
[16:56] <polibus> i wanna configure the brightside hotcorner to get the slide effect like compiz
[16:57] <fossfreedom> sorry I'm not familiar with compiz - what should happen in the hotcorner ?
[17:00] <polibus> u see all the open application
[17:00] <fossfreedom> ah - a windows spread?
[17:01] <polibus> yep
[17:02] <polibus> i did not know that was called in tath way XD
[17:02] <fossfreedom> k - you need to install skippy-xd (recommendation in budgie-welcome).  add skippy-xd to you startup apps - then use skippy-xd-toggle in your hotcorner
[17:11] <polibus> thanks for the help and the patience


[07:39] <popey> kenvandine[m]: can you take a look at installing github-desktop snap, it uses desktop-gtk3 and I get a syntax error from the launcher when I run it
[07:39] <popey> "/snap/github-desktop/33/bin/desktop-launch: line 428: ((: /home/alan/snap/github-desktop/33/.local/share/icons/*: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "/home/alan/snap/github-desktop/33/.local/share/icons/*")"
[07:56] <tjaalton> should we install mesa-vulkan-drivers by default, and if so, which pkg should add the dependency?
[08:08] <kenvandine> @popey ugh... I tested that, Trevinho  broke it!
[08:08] <kenvandine> @Trevinho /snap/github-desktop/33/bin/desktop-launch: line 428: ((: /home/ken/snap/github-desktop/33/.local/share/icons/*: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "/home/ken/snap/github-desktop/33/.local/share/icons/*")
[08:08] <popey> We need better QA on the desktop helpers. :)
[08:08] <kenvandine> @Trevinho that is your array changes we just merged
[08:09] <kenvandine> @popey yes... and we need to kill the helpers :)
[08:09] <popey> I look forward to the QA for killing the desktop helpers :)
[08:09] <Trevinho> kenvandine: can you paste me that file?
[08:11] <popey> Trevinho: its in the github-desktop snap in edge
[08:12] <Laney> TEAM
[08:14] <Trevinho> popey: yeah, just lazy... adding it now :)
[08:16] <kenvandine> @popey I'm using irccloud :)
[08:16] <kenvandine> On the desktop it's kind of sucks compared to hexchat... but it might be nice to have it stay connected
[08:16] <popey> ❤
[08:16] <kenvandine> @popey i'll keep using it for a bit before I give up
[08:17] <kenvandine> I hope it has desktop notifications :)
[08:17] <popey> kenvandine: ping
[08:17] <popey> kenvandine: ping
[08:17] <kenvandine> yay
[08:17] <kenvandine> it has half notifications :)
[08:18] <kenvandine> just the popup
[08:18] <kenvandine> no emblem in the dock :/
[08:18] <popey> yeah, that would be nice
[08:18] <popey> wonder if we need to bundle a libappindicator or something
[08:18] <kenvandine> probably
[08:18] <popey> i know Wimpress has bodged a couple of apps with that and setting an environment variable to force the app to think it's on unity
[08:18] <RAOF> kenvandine: Joiiin the matrix.
[08:18] <kenvandine> i bet @Trevinho knows... since telegram does work
[08:19] <kenvandine> @RAOF I am on matrix :)
[08:19] <popey> kenvandine: although i don't know if irccloud-desktop actually does badges
[08:19] <RAOF> kenvandine: Then why are you using irccloud?
[08:20]  * RAOF is confused
[08:21] <kenvandine> because popey told me too
[08:21] <popey> irccloud > *
[08:22] <Trevinho> duflu: this might be interesting for you too https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/197
[08:22] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 197 in mutter "WIP: Sysprof integration" [1. Feature, 5. Performance, Opened]
[08:22] <Trevinho> popey: no, irccloud has no badges. electron does not support them for ubuntu (at least, I wanted to patch it upstream, but I think it wasn't added yet). only mac is supported.
[08:23] <popey> awww
[08:38] <oSoMoN> seb128, bug #1793476
[08:43] <robert_ancell> jibel, can you add the SRU information to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1756379
[08:48] <popey> kenvandine: can you let me know once the launcher is fixed. I had to build 33 snaps for security updates this morning and many of them now have this brokenness and will need re-building again.
[08:57] <jamesh> kenvandine: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gnome-3-30-snaps-theming-issues/7290/14
[08:58] <Trevinho> kenvandine: https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/155
[08:58] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 155 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "desktop-exports: don't break cycle overriding variables" [Open]
[08:59] <Trevinho> popey: ^
[09:01] <kenvandine> @popey can you rebuild one of them?
[09:02] <kenvandine> ideally github-destkop :)
[09:02] <willcooke> tjaalton, can we have a chat about that while we're in Brussels?
[09:02] <tjaalton> willcooke: sure
[09:03] <kenvandine> @popey i had to enable swap... not that i'm running irccloud
[09:03] <kenvandine> s/not/now/
[09:11] <tjaalton> willcooke: when/where?
[09:12] <popey> kenvandine: https://launchpad.net/~build.snapcraft.io/+snap/56c2fcf81d3a14e2fc76ff29d6d68cea-xenial - building
[09:12] <kenvandine> thx
[09:13] <kenvandine> popey: wow, it builds for arm64 and armhf by default?
[09:13] <popey> everything in build.snapcraft.io can build for i386,amd64,armhf,arm64, yes.
[09:14] <popey> but we error out so it doesn't actually build a snap for all of them
[09:14] <popey> soon we will be able to tell bsi to stop doing redundant builds
[09:26] <kenvandine> popey Trevinho: I've confirmed the fix in a separate build
[09:35] <popey> kenvandine: snap refresh github-desktop, revision 33 is latest
[09:36] <popey> kenvandine: i lied, you may need the next build
[09:38] <popey> yeah, wait for 34
[09:47] <willcooke> tjaalton, that's the million dollar question :)  bear with me
[09:47] <tjaalton> no problem :)
[09:54] <popey> kenvandine: github-desktop revision 34 seems to work
[10:32] <kenvandine> popey: ship it!
[10:33] <popey> Thanks! I have re-triggered builds for the world and will check them after lunch
[11:10] <kenvandine> popey: i guess github-desktop still needs some work?  I was just playing with it and it's missing libcurl
[11:10] <popey> Pull requests welcome :)
[11:10] <popey> Ah. It's vendored now, wimpy says
[11:11] <popey> The one in edge is likely not to be released as we are working with upstream to get them building
[11:11] <popey> So maybe use another one for tests
[11:12] <kenvandine> jibel: did you see robert_ancell's ping about bug 1756379 ?
[11:28] <robert_ancell> jamesh, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/snapd-glib/ubuntu-xenial has package updated to 1.43
[11:37] <ricotz> oSoMoN, LO <IP_ADDRESS> tagged
[11:39] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack
[11:48] <jamesh> robert_ancell: so this new test fails: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/commit/f893907aa86c1814ee8edf2286a320ff46057cf7
[11:51] <jibel> kenvandine, nope I didn't
[12:18] <jamesh> robert_ancell: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/42
[12:18] <gitbot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 42 in snapd-glib "Reconnect to snapd if disconnected while trying to send the request" [Open]
[13:32] <robert_ancell> willcooke, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/198
[13:32] <gitbot> GNOME issue 198 in gnome-control-center "Implement sound panel design" [6. Component: Sound, Opened]
[13:37] <willcooke> robert_ancell, https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle
[13:51] <popey> kenvandine: have you changed desktop-glib-only? We're suddenly seeing a build failure on desktop-launch https://travis-ci.com/snapcrafters/sdlpop/builds/85418705
[13:52] <kenvandine> no... and that error has nothing to do with the helpers
[13:53] <kenvandine> well
[13:53] <popey> "Failed to generate snap metadata: The specified command 'desktop-launch' defined in the app 'sdlpop' does not exist or is not executable"
[13:53] <kenvandine> it's your reference to it
[13:53] <popey> that very much does imply it
[13:53] <kenvandine> where's the yaml?
[13:53] <popey> https://github.com/snapcrafters/sdlpop/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[13:54] <kenvandine> i think the desktop-launch script gets put under "bin/desktop-launch"
[13:54] <kenvandine> which at runtime is in the path
[13:55] <kenvandine> but snapcraft has started to complain if it doesn't think the script is in the snap
[13:55] <kenvandine> that might be a recent snapcraft change
[13:55] <kenvandine> so technically you don't need to specify bin in the path, it will work
[13:56] <popey> it appears to be kyle's fault
[13:57] <kenvandine> popey: everything is kyle's fault
[13:57] <popey> he will be expressing sincere apologies via beer later
[13:57] <popey> Sorry for suggesting it could have been you. :)
[13:57] <didrocks> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1anXF3-Gh7B8gG0Oiwcfqh0512NVC1YDM52jItbUveaA
[13:57] <kenvandine> popey: nothing is my fault... you should know that :)
[14:43] <oSoMoN> Laney, mind merging https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-libreoffice/+merge/355442, when you have a moment?
[14:44] <Laney> :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[14:44] <Laney> can you maybe ask in #ubuntu-release please?
[14:44]  * Laney is inside a rebase of britney now
[14:47] <oSoMoN> Laney, ack
[14:49] <Laney> every single commit has conflicted so far
[14:49]  * Laney cries


[07:10] <qwebirc17276> I try to mount a hard drive and error says its a 'zfs_member'. I assure you it is not a zfs member.
[07:11] <qwebirc17276> why would my drive look like a ZFS member to xubuntu?
[07:11] <pmjdebruijn> qwebirc17276: what does 'blkid' say
[07:11] <pmjdebruijn> qwebirc17276: what does 'fdisk -l /dev/whatever' say
[07:12] <qwebirc17276> Disk /dev/sdb1: 1.8 TiB,<PHONE_NUMBER>544 bytes,<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
[07:13] <pmjdebruijn> qwebirc17276: sda1 is not a disk, sda is
[07:13] <pmjdebruijn> so fdisk -l /dev/sda
[07:13] <pmjdebruijn> not sda1
[07:13] <pmjdebruijn> als please use pastebin.com
[07:13] <pmjdebruijn> and blkid please
[07:13] <qwebirc17276> Disk /dev/sdb: 1.8 TiB,<PHONE_NUMBER>016 bytes,<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: gpt Disk identifier: F03B793B-E7B4-11E5-841F-F832E489D2EE  Device     Start        End    Sectors  Size Type /dev/sdb1   2048<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>  1.8T Linux filesystem
[07:13] <pmjdebruijn> qwebirc17276: please use pastebin.com
[07:14] <pmjdebruijn> for both outputs
[07:15] <pmjdebruijn> how exactly are you trying to mount it?
[07:15] <pmjdebruijn> qwebirc17276: ?
[07:15] <qwebirc17276> <script src="https://pastebin.com/embed_js/9dW4QdUn"></script>
[07:15] <qwebirc17276> sudo mount /dev/sdb1
[07:16] <qwebirc17276> sudo mount sdb1
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> do you have an entry for /dev/sdb1 for /etc/fstab ?
[07:16] <qwebirc17276> no
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> then how is mount supposed to know where to mount it
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> is proper usage
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> but what does blkdi say
[07:17] <pmjdebruijn> sudo blkid    specifically
[07:17] <pmjdebruijn> sudo blkid -c /dev/null         is even better
[07:18] <pmjdebruijn> also in xubuntu you can mount drives through thunar
[07:18] <qwebirc17276> okay. Im trying to keep up here. Did I use pastebin correctly?
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> more or less, no need to paste html tags along with the url
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> usually one would paste this: https://pastebin.com/9dW4QdUn
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> or https://pastebin.com/raw/9dW4QdUn
[07:22] <bodiccea> qwebirc17276, you should use "parted /dev/sdb print" to see what is the fstype of /dev/sdb1
[07:22] <qwebirc17276> i made a directory called 2TB and did "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/2TB" then got "mount: /mnt/2TB: more filesystems detected on /dev/sdb1; use -t <type> or wipefs(8)."
[07:23] <pmjdebruijn> qwebirc17276: what does 'sudo blkid -c /dev/null' output ?
[07:23] <pmjdebruijn> also, what filesystem type do you think is on the disk?
[07:24] <qwebirc17276> parted says ext4 standby for pastebin
[07:25] <qwebirc17276> https://pastebin.com/embed_js/PMdjS4Qs
[07:26] <qwebirc17276> I have mounted this exact drive on this exact machine 2 days ago
[07:27] <bodiccea> can you do it with "/dev/sdb", not "/dev/sdb1", to see the partition table type ?
[07:28] <qwebirc17276> https://pastebin.com/embed_js/neHxcnEE
[07:28] <qwebirc17276> similar output
[07:32] <qwebirc17276> here is sudo blkid -c /dev/null https://pastebin.com/embed_js/CR6zVEF5
[07:35] <qwebirc17276> I was messing with some snaps. Could that have caused this?
[07:36] <bodiccea> try "mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/2TB" (from https://superuser.com/questions/1095946/fsck-more-filesystems-detected-this-should-not-happen)
[07:36] <qwebirc17276> the loops 1 through 4 are snaps, the sda is my main drive, and the sdd is a portable HD.
[07:37] <qwebirc17276> That worked bodiccea!
[07:40] <qwebirc17276> Thank you very much for your help
[07:47] <bodiccea> qwebirc17276, what gives "wipefs /dev/sdb1" ? (NO OPTIONS TO WIPEFS !!)
[07:47] <bodiccea> you will see the different partitions detected on this partition.
[07:53] <qwebirc17276> thats kind of scary. I have some important files on there with no backup
[07:59] <bodiccea> with no option, it lists the partitions. See wipefs(8)
[07:59] <bodiccea> by the way, I tried myself before asking you to do it, to be sure :-)
[08:01] <qwebirc17276> Here it is https://pastebin.com/embed_js/cqfzmrrd
[08:01] <bodiccea> Whaooo...
[08:02] <qwebirc17276> why did that happen?
[08:02] <qwebirc17276> ls
[08:02] <bodiccea> Mine is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZVBkgTbNHN/
[08:03] <qwebirc17276> oops wrong terminal HA!
[08:03] <bodiccea> I would be you, I would save the ext4 data, and reformat sdb (including the partition table).
[08:05] <qwebirc17276> you mean after i secured my data do: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1
[08:05] <qwebirc17276> ?
[08:07] <bodiccea> No, mkfs is not enough, it will not recreate the partition table. And yes, secure your data first.
[08:10] <qwebirc17276> okay. Is GParted the best tool for that?
[08:11] <bodiccea> Yes, or parted/fdisk if you prefer command-line.
[08:11] <qwebirc17276> I'm trying to learn so yeah. Thanks.
[08:12] <qwebirc17276> Big Help Thank You
[08:14] <qwebirc17276> I have three 2 TB WD Reds sitting here. I might try RAID 5 or maybe actually doing ZFS.
[08:28] <bodiccea> I have a setup with 4x1TB disks, I use btrfs, with 2 RAID-1 (so I have 2x1TB available disks). But any decent FS type would work, to make a RAID-5 configuration, given you have 3 disks at least...
[10:13] <ghosalmartin> hello, does anyone know how I can create a raid0 setup at install time on xubuntu?
[10:16] <gnrp> ghosalmartin: I would not recommend anyone to have a raid0, esp. not for the system drive
[10:16] <gnrp> I know this is not helpful, sorry :/
[10:16] <ghosalmartin> gnrp, how come? due to data loss or?
[10:17] <gnrp> do you have a mbr or gpt?
[10:17] <gnrp> yes, the only benefit of raid0 is speed. If you really need that, go for it
[10:17] <gnrp> if one hard drive fails, *all* data is lost.
[10:18] <gnrp> also, raid0 are quite error-prone, because without the raid0 setup, data on them is unusable. With a jbod e.g., you could still look at the data on the first hard drive or even boot without the second one and "just" have some errors
[10:19] <ghosalmartin> yeah I wanna go for speed, its a build machine so not too fussed about any issues
[10:19] <ghosalmartin> all data is backed up on git so no problems really
[10:19] <gnrp> except for the system itself?
[10:20] <gnrp> I mean, I would recommend you rather to separate the disks in two partitions, one raid1 for booting, one raid0 for data.
[10:21] <ghosalmartin> for now raid0 will do tbf, even if the system goes down it doesnt matter
[10:21] <gnrp> anyway, if you want to still go for raid0 for the system: Actually it should work. Set the installer to manual partitioning mode, and then you still need one partition for /boot, but the system itself can go on a raid0
[10:23] <ghosalmartin> do I need to set raid0 in bios?
[10:23] <ghosalmartin> or atleast just raid
[10:23] <ghosalmartin> then create the array?
[10:24] <gnrp> if you set it in bios, then you don't have to care for anything. Linux will just see it as one hard drive
[10:24] <ghosalmartin> so i did that and it wouldnt boot, just stuck on a black screen
[10:25] <gnrp> aaah, I see, you were here already yesterday or so?
[10:25] <gnrp> when is it stuck on a black screen? after grub?
[10:25] <ghosalmartin> nope not even grub
[10:29] <gnrp> did you check online whether grub supports your bios/mainboard?
[10:30] <gnrp> and do you have mbr or gpt boot style?
[10:31] <ghosalmartin> no idea tbf
[10:31] <ghosalmartin> i probably need to check
[10:32] <ghosalmartin> tbf the installed can tellits a raid stripe
[11:02] <ghosalmartin> right am goign to attempt this with the EFI partition on bog standard hd and / on the riad
[11:11] <bodiccea> ghosalmartin, did you install your system *after* setting the raid0 in BIOS ? If not, it won't work, as the system is installed on one disk only...
[11:11] <ghosalmartin> bodiccea, yeah i created the raid array and now am attempting a clean install
[11:12] <bodiccea> So you cannot even boot on CD/DVD, this is what you say ?
[11:12] <ghosalmartin> i can boot to that with no issues
[11:12] <ghosalmartin> well usb stick
[11:16] <bodiccea> OK. So it should work... Even if I second gnrp on the fact that at least the boot should be excluded from RAID0. It is always painful to reinstall everything, given that it cost nothing  for instance to use RAID-1 for boot, or (what I do), having separate boots on each disk.
[11:18] <ghosalmartin> so far nothing is working. the array shows up as one partition. i allow the installer to basically do whatever it wants, and it goes boom
[11:18] <ghosalmartin> no grub no nothing
[11:19] <ghosalmartin> would life be easier if i went the mdadm route
[11:20] <bodiccea> what means "goes boom" ?
[11:21] <bodiccea> I mean what is the last thing you see ?
[11:21] <ghosalmartin> black screen
[11:21] <bodiccea> I mean before the black screen.
[11:21] <ghosalmartin> oh just post
[11:23] <bodiccea> Did the install complain ? Did it look ok when installing ?
[11:24] <ghosalmartin> yeah seemed to install fine
[11:24] <ghosalmartin> ama take a look at hte logs now am doing another install
[11:26] <bodiccea> You can also boot live on your USB stick, and check which disks it sees
[11:28] <ghosalmartin> it sees the raid fine
[11:28] <ghosalmartin> well the single drive
[11:28] <ghosalmartin> but it cant see the esp partition
[11:29] <bodiccea> what gives fdisk ?
[11:30] <ghosalmartin> http://pastebin.com/xctaXqJC
[11:45] <bodiccea> which disks are of interest in your case ?
[11:45] <bodiccea> I mean, where is the RAID-0 ?
[11:52] <ghosalmartin> sda and sdb
[11:52] <ghosalmartin> but its a hardware raid so /dev/mapper/isw_cedeejcehc_Volume0/dev/mapper/isw_cedeejcehc_Volume0
[11:56] <ghosalmartin> well ive just tried to create a software raid and now its installing
[11:57] <ghosalmartin> we'll see if it makes it to boot
[16:53] <xubuntu39w> hello i need help i bought this laptop from someone and i dont know there password
[16:54] <bodiccea> Does it boot on Ubuntu ?
[16:56] <xubuntu39w> i honestly dont kow is say xubuntu when i start he had a password  he forgot it
[16:58] <xubuntu39w> is there a way to find out
[16:58] <bodiccea> xubuntu39w, you need to boot from a livecd (any distribution will be fine), and remove the password.
[16:58] <bodiccea> And no, you cannot find out.
[16:58] <brainwash> why not just do a reinstall?
[16:59] <bodiccea> Possible too, depends if he wants to keep the current system.
[16:59] <brainwash> but for what reason?
[17:00] <xubuntu39w> this is my first time dealing with this and i honestly dont know how to >.<
[17:00] <brainwash> I assume it's an old installation (owner "forgot" the password)
[17:00] <brainwash> so, it's probably outdated
[17:00] <xubuntu39w> basically
[17:00] <bodiccea> What do you want to do with this PC ? Use xubuntu ? Or install another system (like Windows)?
[17:01] <xubuntu39w> install windows
[17:01] <bodiccea> So you don't need the password.
[17:01] <bodiccea> Just install Windows...
[17:02] <xubuntu39w> then what should i do the previous owner told me  i can do that with a usb drive
[17:02] <brainwash> you can find guides on the internet
[17:02] <bodiccea> If you don't need xubuntu, and want to install windows, you should go to another channel.
[17:03] <xubuntu39w> i have tried but i honestly dont know any good guides
[17:04] <bodiccea> Try ##windows channel maybe... You won't get help here (normally).
[23:49] <At0micJ0e> is there a way to dress up LightDm in XUbuntu 18.04.2 LTS Like rounding the corners of the login box changing the border colors so on and so forth


[22:55] <chamuco> Pelo K
[22:55] <fAlCoNNiAn> christopher, lets see if we can figure this out before you reinstall
[22:55] <B|ackDayz> I'm running (attempting to) a live version of ubuntu, when I boot up it gives me the message /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off
[22:55] <fAlCoNNiAn> christopher, have you tried this guide? http://invaleed.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/install-bcm94311mcg-wlan-mini-pci-ubuntu-710/
[22:55] <christopher> fAlCoNNiAn, thanks
[22:55] <B|ackDayz> they have a similar issue posted on the ubuntu forum
[22:55] <B|ackDayz> but it's not for live versions of the case.
[22:55] <DarkLordVenom> where does ubuntu save its AT jobs?
[22:55] <PaulMooney> I have a sudo problem.  It's like my password, which has worked with sudo up until now, sudo is not recognizing it
[22:55] <rycole> hey all, i'm using apt-get to install an apache/python module and it's going to download and install another python version. is there a way i can tell it not to download that, because i already have python installed.
[22:55] <christopher> fAlCoNNiAn, no but i'll check it out
[22:56] <PaulMooney> strangest thing is that sudo doesn't say "incorrect password" or nothing like that.  it  just exits.  it goes directly back to the command prompt
[22:56] <LSG> PaulMooney: That usually means it worked..
[22:56] <Pelo> everyone , what's a decent   CLI  IRC  clent ?  bitchx ?
[22:56] <mr_boo> LSG: goes back to vesa drivers no matter what
[22:57] <PaulMooney> but it is not running what I attempt to run
[22:57] <rycole> Pelo: bitchx or irssi are my two favorites.
[22:57] <PaulMooney> brandon@DIABLO:~$ sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[22:57] <FastZ> DarkLordVenom: /var/spool/cron/atjobs
[22:57] <PaulMooney> [sudo] password for brandon:
[22:57] <PaulMooney> brandon@DIABLO:~$
[22:57] <earthmeLon> I am currently using bitchx.  Mmmmm
[22:57] <Pelo> chamuco,  irssi and bitchx
[22:57] <fAlCoNNiAn> christopher, give it a try and let us know if it worked
[22:57] <FastZ> DarkLordVenom: or it could be /var/spool/cron/atspool
[22:57] <Pelo> chamuco, irssi is in the repos
[22:58] <LSG> mr_boo: I'm not sure what your problem might be. I need to run for a bit now, ask someone else here and you might get better help.
[22:58] <LSG> mr_boo: I'll be back in 30 minutes though.
[22:58] <mr_boo> LSG: many thanks anyway
[22:58] <linkmaster03> How do I delete a folder and all its contents?
[22:59] <LSG> linkmaster03: rm -r
[22:59] <Pelo> linkmaster03, sudo rm -rf /path
[22:59] <nabcore> rm -Rf "folder name"
[22:59] <fAlCoNNiAn> linkmaster03, sudo rm -fR /whatever
[22:59] <FastZ> linkmaster03: rm -rf /folderpath
[22:59] <linkmaster03> Cheers mates
[23:00] <tifine> ~pastebin
[23:00] <Christina18> are all dvd burners compatible with ubuntu?
[23:00] <FastZ> Christina18: don't wanna say "all" but I will say "most" dvd burners are compatible
[23:01] <mr_boo> hi
[23:01] <PedanticSteve> Hi all, I have a networking issue with Gutsy (had the same with Hardy and am running Gutsy now).  I have a hardware VPN router in my office and my windows machine connects just fine (around 5 Mbits/sec download).  My linux laptop gets around 100Kbits/sec download.  I dont know where to start... I already verified I am connected at 100 Mbits/full duplex to my router.  It is also detailed in this thread on the forums:http://ubuntuforums
[23:01] <mr_boo> how do i get ubuntu to detect my nvidia 8800gt
[23:01] <Christina18> FastZ: samsung sh-202
[23:01] <DarkLordVenom> the >> appends to a file right?
[23:01] <lopin> Got a bit of problems with xawtv on two differetnt computers with two different ubuntu's and two different cameras...
[23:01] <nabcore> DarkLordVenom:  yes
[23:01] <nabcore> DarkLordVenom: > overwrites
[23:02] <PedanticSteve> I have not been able to get a response on teh forums... any advice on getting a higher response on the forums is welcome too
[23:02] <Auctionedllama> !hardy | Auctionedllama
[23:02] <zvacet> mr_boo :did you tried with restricted driver manager
[23:02] <lopin> It's causing the screen to go blank, and I have to Ctrl+alt+bksp to get it working...
[23:02] <FastZ> Christina18: couldnt tell ya, I dont have a definitive list of dvd burners that Ubuntu supports.  Have you checked UbuntuForums or google?
[23:02] <DarkLordVenom> >filename will erase it too
[23:02] <mr_boo> zvacet: yeah
[23:02] <earthmeLon> mr_boo install envy and use it to install your drivers
[23:02] <mr_boo> earthmeLon: ok
[23:02] <Christina18> FastZ: didnt find a list om compatible burners...
[23:02] <HZ> hello all, anyone know why can't I enlarge MPlayer to fullscreen while playing rmvb
[23:02] <earthmeLon> mr_boo
[23:02] <earthmeLon> mr_boo http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[23:03] <earthmeLon> That is not supported by ubuntu, I guess I should say, but it works beautifully
[23:03] <FastZ> Christina18: then I probably wouldnt be able to find one either. :( Have you tried using it on Ubuntu or are you just trying to make sure it'll be supported before you try it out?
[23:03] <HZ> hey guys why can't I enlarge MPlayer to fullscreen while playing rmvb
[23:04] <Christina18> FastZ: yes, the last option is correct
[23:04] <Zelta> are you using a compositing window manager, HZ?
[23:04] <zvacet> HZ : home diectory>view hidden files>,mplayer>config and there type zoom= yes
[23:04] <HZ> no
[23:04] <Nexano> anyone got any experience using a HDTV (1360x768) with a normal monitor (1280x1024) under twinview? (nvidia :p)
[23:05] <FastZ> Christina18: I guess the best thing I can tell you is to boot Ubuntu and try to burn a DVD using that burner.  If it works then good! :)
[23:05] <earthmeLon> Nexano I have two monitors in twinview using different resolutions.  Is that what you want to do?
[23:05] <DarkWolf2008> can anyone please help me with my nvida problens
[23:05] <Nexano> earthmeLon: basically yeah, but having that weird resolution its a bit of a problem
[23:06] <Nexano> my second screen (the normal one) wont go above 640x480
[23:06] <earthmeLon> What kind of gfx card do you have Nexano?
[23:06] <Christina18> FastZ: yes, but if not, then i have wasted my money for a useless one and must buy a new :(
[23:06] <FastZ> Christina18: how much did you pay for the burner?
[23:06] <DarkWolf2008> does anyone know how to make the nvidia driver work in 7.10 please
[23:06] <Nexano> earthmeLon: geforce 7800
[23:06] <friel> so i'm trying to install some games i've got mounted. when i run setup.sh, it tells me i should run it as root, but when i sudo su -  it doesn't recognise sh setup.sh command.
[23:07] <earthmeLon> DarkWolf2008.  I used http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html to install my nvidia drivers
[23:07] <Christina18> FastZ: 400 nok, about 800 usd
[23:07] <chamuco> Pelo TY
[23:07] <FastZ> 800 USD?!?!?!?!
[23:07] <Starnestommy> friel: run sudo sh ./setup.sh
[23:07] <mr_boo> gonna restart now
[23:07] <nabcore> 800!
[23:07] <FastZ> jesus
[23:08] <Zelta> how do you output what video card driver you are using?
[23:08] <thatGuy_> did my question post at 18:04 EST?
[23:08] <friel> starnestommy : sh: can't open ./setup.sh
[23:08] <earthmeLon> Nexano, I had trouble getting twinview to get my settings in the xorg config file to work correctly.  I used envy http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html and had it install the new drivers, plus edit the configuration file and it worked very nicely.  I tried messing with the config file manually and with the build in nvidia program, but couldnt figure it out.  Give envy a try
[23:08] <zvacet>         Christina18 :                   http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/browse/search
[23:08] <sergevn> are there any active developers here?
[23:08] <PedanticSteve> can anyone here help me with my networking issue?
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> LSG, just to be sure, the only ifoedit i have found is a windows program.  Are you running it in wine or is there a linux version around?
[23:08] <fluid_> This is probably a dumb question; but is there a program, comparable to guidance-power-manager for gnome?  gnome-power-manager is good, but it doesn't let me throttle my processor
[23:08] <HZ> zvacet : thx full screen  worked
[23:08] <FastZ> Christina18: are you serious that you paid 800USD for a DVD burner?
[23:08] <Nexano> earthmeLon: envy has never worked for me :/
[23:08] <thatGuy_> I have a sudo problem.  It's like my password, which has worked with sudo up until now, sudo is not recognizing it
[23:08] <Nexano> im afraid of using it again :p
[23:08] <Zelta> how do you output what video card driver you are using?
[23:08] <zvacet> HZ : good
[23:08] <sergevn> I did an bug report, that is very serious but hasnt been added as a know bug.
[23:08] <thatGuy_> strangest thing is that sudo doesn't say "incorrect password" or nothing like that.  it  just exits.  it goes directly back to the command prompt
[23:08] <Magus_X> ROFL
[23:08] <sergevn> for hardy
[23:08] <Magus_X> 800USD?
[23:08] <thatGuy_> It doesn't run what I attempt to run.  for example.  'sudo aptitude remove gedit' simply goes directly back to the command prompt
[23:08] <Magus_X> ive paid like... 40$
[23:09] <B|ackDayz> 800usb is like 50cents everywhere else these days
[23:09] <FastZ> Magus_X: that's what the person said!  it's hard to believe
[23:09] <Starnestommy> friel: cd to the directory that it's in
[23:09] <HZ> zvacet : sehr gut :)
[23:09] <B|ackDayz> lol
[23:09] <Christina18> FastZ: think it should be 80 usd :)
[23:09] <HZ> zvacet : c u
[23:09] <earthmeLon> Really?  Nexano, which did you use? Legacy?  Also, you should follow these directions: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html (follow the MANUAL METHOD) in order for envy to install correctly
[23:09] <Magus_X> B|ackDayz: sure... hey, can you give me those 50 cents?
[23:09] <friel> starnestommy: i'm in the correct directory ( virtua-drives/1 , Dir command shows setup.sh among the files.
[23:09] <earthmeLon> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#How_to_add_extra_repositories Nexano, my bad
[23:09] <ijn> ok guys I found how to set horizontal scrollbar in touchpad as back/forward button on firefox.
[23:09] <ijn> :)
[23:09] <Zelta> how do you output what video card driver you are using?
[23:09] <earthmeLon> Had a bit of a miss copy there :P
[23:09] <B|ackDayz> Magus_X: np, help me with my ubuntu issue first please?
[23:10] <FastZ> Christina18: what did you say the make and model of the burner again?  you said it before but i cant remember what it was.  Samsung something
[23:10] <Nexano> earthmeLon: i did follow the manual :) its just never worked oO but "sudo sh installer" isnt that hard to type :p
[23:10] <Starnestommy> friel: run "sudo chmod o+rx ./setup.sh" then "sudo sh ./setup.sh"
[23:10] <ijn> in about:config shoud change something
[23:10] <thatGuy_> zelta, lspci will list all pci devices.  you can find it in there
[23:10] <latitu> where can i see the last installed apps??
[23:10] <ijn> if anyone is intrested let me know...
[23:10] <ijn> :)
[23:11] <friel> starnestommy: chmod: cannot access ./setup.sh : permission denied
[23:11] <earthmeLon> Hmmm.  I set up my repositories using these directions http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#How_to_add_extra_repositories and then ran the .deb file from the envy site with the .deb installer.  I did not have to run any .sh files.
[23:11] <DarkLordVenom> how do I deny certain users from using the at daemon, I can't find /etc/at.allow or /etc/at.deny  ?
[23:11] <FastZ> ijn: im interested
[23:11] <Christina18> zvacet: found 2 samsung drives, but not exactly this one in that link you pasted
[23:11] <Magus_X> What issue B|ackDayz ?
[23:11] <mr_boo> here i am again
[23:11] <ijn> ok
[23:11] <mr_boo> i got no error messages while using envy
[23:11] <bazhang> zelta cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf will list the driver in use
[23:11] <ijn> I'll tell
[23:11] <Christina18> FastZ: sh-s202
[23:11] <ijn> go to firefox
[23:11] <FastZ> ijn: and you're talking about the left to right scroll bar on a laptop touchpad right?
[23:11] <Starnestommy> friel: what does the output of "ls -l" say and is this on your main partition or another one?
[23:11] <fluid_> Is there a power manager for GNOME that's comparable to kde's guidance-power-manager?  gnome-power-manager is okay, but it doesn't let me throttle my CPU for this laptop.
[23:12] <ijn> and type
[23:12] <Heston> when 8.04 is finally released, how does one upgrade from the release candidate to the actual release?
[23:12] <zvacet> Christina18 :sorry
[23:12] <ijn> about:config
[23:12] <mr_boo> but i got the low graphics dialog at startup :(
[23:12] <B|ackDayz> /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off <<< getting that message at bootup
[23:12] <thatGuy_> DarkLordVenom: you can try changing the permissions on the at file
[23:12] <compilerwriter> Anyone else having issues with tempest?
[23:12] <B|ackDayz> it's a live version of ubuntu
[23:12] <bazhang> Heston: just keep updating
[23:12] <Starnestommy> mr_boo: envy has been known to cause problems that require a total reinstall to fix
[23:12] <ijn> yeah right
[23:12] <mr_boo> oops
[23:12] <B|ackDayz> they have a topic like that on the forum, but they all pertain to reinstalling ubuntu or apt-get
[23:12] <B|ackDayz> in which case I cant use either
[23:12] <thatGuy_> Guys, anyone know why my sudo is no longer working.  I'm basically locked out of my pc right now.
[23:13] <thannoy> DarkLordVenom: /etc/at.deny according to at manual (man at)
[23:13] <friel> starnestommy: - r -xr -xr -x 1 root root 3003 2000-12-15 11:41 setup.sh and it's my main partition
[23:13] <bazhang> thatGuy_: what did you do to your sudoers file
[23:13] <Jimmey> Perhaps someone can help - Usually when installing a Linux on my computer with a bcm43xx wireless card I just put the firmware files in /lib/firmware and restart to make the card work - Can I make it work without restarting?
[23:13] <thatGuy_> bazhang, I haven't touched the file, but sudo exits immediately after entering the passwords
[23:13] <thatGuy_> bazhang, I haven't touched the file, but sudo exits immediately after entering the password
[23:13] <bent_> Hey, for the third and final time #ubuntu, does anyone know of a usb wireless card that works out of the box? (I'm running 8.04, by the way... if that changes stuff.)
[23:14] <bazhang> thatGuy_: you been logging in as root?
[23:14] <bent_> I'm seriously going out and buying a card.
[23:14] <thatGuy_> bazhang: it doesn't say incorrect... just goes directly back to prompt
[23:14] <zvacet> thatGuy_ try in recovery mode          adduser username admin          usermane is you username of course
[23:14] <thatGuy_> bazhang: no i haven't
[23:14] <bazhang> bent_: for the next couple of days best ask in hardy channel
[23:14] <B|ackDayz> beasty_: goto compusa and look up usb 2.0 wireless
[23:14] <FastZ> Christina18: everything im seeing on google kind of makes me lean towards Yes, It will work.
[23:14] <DarkLordVenom> so..... if you add root to /etc/at.deny..... they can't use at?
[23:15] <friel> starnestommy: was that any indicator of the issue? and thanks for the help.
[23:15] <caleb_> how do i change window list color, hover color, ect. i tried gnome color chooser and some other things. I am on gusty gibbon.
[23:15] <Jimmey> bent_, my dad has one downstairs, I'll go look where it is, hold tight.
[23:15] <thatGuy_> bazhang:  zvacet: yeah, i can try that.  i think my password is wokring though.  i can login...
[23:15] <Starnestommy> friel: I think it's a problem with sh. does "sudo ./setup.sh" work?
[23:15] <PedanticSteve> is there another channel for networking issue in general under Ubuntu?
[23:15] <thatGuy_> bazhang: zvacet what is the hardy channel?  I am using hardey
[23:15] <bazhang> PedanticSteve: this is it
[23:15] <thatGuy_> hardy*
[23:15] <bent_> bazhang: Eh. I'd hope that no one truely wrecked the connection stuff between 7.10 and 8.04... and nothing happened really when I asked there.
[23:15] <FastZ> ijn: you never finished telling me how to change what the horizontal trackpad does
[23:15] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1
[23:15] <friel> starnestommy: sudo: ./setup.sh: command not found
[23:15] <zvacet> thatGuy_ : but sudo doesn't work ?
[23:16] <fluid_> Is there a power manager for GNOME that's comparable to kde's guidance-power-manager?  gnome-power-manager is okay, but it doesn't let me throttle my CPU for this laptop.
[23:16] <Christina18> FastZ: ok thanks
[23:16] <janki> roma
[23:16] <thatGuy_> zvacet: no, it doesn't run what I attempt to run
[23:16] <Jimmey> bent_, my Dad has a Netgear WG111v2 working out of the box
[23:16] <bazhang> !it | janki
[23:16] <ubotu> janki: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:16] <FastZ> Chrinstina18: no problem.  Ill keep my fingers crossed in hope that it works perfectly for you
[23:16] <thannoy> DarkLordVenom: refers to at manual. "The superuser may use these commands in any  case.   For  other  users...", 'man' command if your friend
[23:16] <zvacet> thatGuy_ I think it is ubuntu+1
[23:17] <PedanticSteve> are there any experts on here that can help me with my networking issue?
[23:17] <xip> Hey guys!
[23:17] <Starnestommy> friel: are you sure that you have changed into the directory where it was located first?
[23:17] <bazhang> only three more days of #ubuntu+1 ;]
[23:17] <bent_> Jimmey: Thanks! Mosthy because that one I can go down the street and buy... instead of waiting for shipping to happen.
[23:17] <Jimmey> bent_, no problem :-)
[23:17] <bazhang> PedanticSteve: the experts are on leave; we are filling in
[23:17] <friel> starnestommy: first thing i checked. been having this issue for upwards of an hour
[23:17] <Jimmey> Perhaps someone can help - Usually when installing a Linux on my computer with a bcm43xx wireless card I just put the firmware files in /lib/firmware and restart to make the card work - Can I make it work without restarting?
[23:18] <thatGuy_> zvacet: bazhang any other ideas?
[23:18] <Zelta> Jimmey: I don't think so
[23:18] <friel> starnestommy: dir does show the file setup.sh, along with the rest of the files in the directory.
[23:18] <PedanticSteve> bazhang:  Thenks  (03:01:25 PM) IRC-vpn: Hi all, I have a networking issue with Gutsy (had the same with Hardy and am running Gutsy now).  I have a hardware VPN router in my office and my windows machine connects just fine (around 5 Mbits/sec download).  My linux laptop gets around 100Kbits/sec download.  I dont know where to start... I already verified I am connected at 100 Mbits/full duplex to my router.  It is also detailed in this
[23:18] <xip> Anybody throw the 8.04 rc cd in and have it set an unsupported resolution for you monitor? or am I just that lucky? :D
[23:18] <Jimmey> Zelta, so no chance of doing it on the liveCD?
[23:18] <josh_> |
[23:18] <b4l74z4r> i would like to suggest that the makers og "rhythmbox" adds a location column
[23:18] <zvacet> thatGuy_ No,sorry
[23:18] <Zelta> Jimmey: I don't think so... why not just install it? :p
[23:18] <spine55> c/lear
[23:18] <Jimmey> Zelta, will do ;-)
[23:19] <Starnestommy> friel: try opening it with "sudo vim setup.sh" then tell me what the first line of it is
[23:19] <hailu_> how can i delete a repository and start over? i made a repo and did an svn import, but i screwed up and want to try again
[23:19] <bent_> Jimmey: Think a WG111US is the same as the v2? Netgear is being vague, and stuff.
[23:20] <zvacet> hailu_ : gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list       and correct what you need
[23:20] <thatGuy_> bazhang: zvacet, i will try the recovery disc suggestion
[23:20] <friel> starnestommy:  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "setup.sh" [new file].  each ~ is a new line
[23:20] <earthmeLon> hailu_ try sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:20] <Jimmey> bent_, it's probably safe to assume that the sticks in the WG111 series will work - Try googling around
[23:20] <hailu_> thanks guys!
[23:21] <Starnestommy> friel: apparently, it doesn't exist for some reason or you typed the name in the wrong case
[23:22] <Jimmey> bent_, hang on. Although I'm sure it worked on my Dad's computer, it says something about ndiswrapper in the google results.
[23:22] <xip> is there a way, from the boot options on the live cd, that I can set a lower resolution?
[23:22] <friel> starnestommy: total headf***. It's all lower case. Thanks for your time though
[23:22] <YuriQ> Hi. Am running on SATA drives, ubuntu-server 7.10
[23:22] <YuriQ> Usually, IDE drives require optimization through hdparm on Linux
[23:22]  * milia later
[23:22] <YuriQ> does the same apply to SATA drives under Ubuntu?
[23:23] <mattywarr> hi - how do i connect to my ubuntu pc from another (Windows) pc? Is there any built in VNC server style app in ubuntu?
[23:23] <Jimmey> bent_, actually, you'd better steer clear of this dongle! Sorry, seems like I gave you some useless advice
[23:23] <earthmeLon> mattywarr: What do you want to do?
[23:23] <friel> starnestommy: ./setup.sh brings up a loki update tool, with a warning no writable targets in path, "you may want to be root"
[23:23] <rycole> what is ubuntu's system path? /usr/sbin?
[23:24] <bent_> Jimmey: Aw, thanks. I wish there was an easier way to make sure what I buy will work... because I've spent 3 days fighting with broadcom stuff.
[23:24] <mattywarr> I want to be able to connect to my ubuntu pc from work - just in a remote control type thing
[23:24] <Jimmey> bent_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported#head-603c9481d6c6288b6b674cc50132d21f6d539c53
[23:24] <zvacet> rycole : what are you looking for
[23:24] <OlMightyGreek> hi guys.. need some help with my umts card. i got a connection with wvdial but i can not use it. how do i set ubuntu tu use this connection?
[23:24] <xip> mattywarr - there are variations of vnc for linux and windows
[23:24] <earthmeLon> mattywarr: If you need a graphical interface, you can do sudo apt-get install vnc4server  OR you can just set up ssh and log in with a terminal.
[23:24] <Starnestommy> rycole: /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin, and /usr/local/games
[23:24] <Jimmey> bent_, yeah, me too. I have a bcm43xx working at the moment, just trying to see if it will work okay with hardy!
[23:24] <rycole> zvacet: just need to know where to create a symlink so i can access something globally.
[23:24] <mattywarr> sure - i have vnc viewer installed ah i like the apt-get method :) thanks!
[23:25] <earthmeLon> Yup yup.  there are a couple of options to install vncserver vnc4server and tightvncserver
[23:25] <bent_> Jimmey: Well, ndiswrapper hates me in hardy right now, but I hear good things about the b43 firmware.
[23:25] <earthmeLon> Not sure which would be best for you mattywarr
[23:25] <Sorinello> hello
[23:25] <mattywarr> i'll try vnc4server and see how I get on with it - i use the windows equivilent a fair amount
[23:25] <Jimmey> bent_, do you have a bcm43xx?
[23:26] <bent_> Jimmey: Close, I have a... hold on... BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02).
[23:27] <OlMightyGreek> nobody with some ideas for me?
[23:27] <zvacet> Sorinello : !ask
[23:27] <linkmaster03> How can I run a program from terminal, and have it accessible for commands while the program is running?
[23:27] <Sorinello> i have a DFI motherboard with P35 chipset and Pnboard JMB363 IDE controller. I installed ubuntu 7.10 on a sata drive, and when i boot into ubuntu, i get loth os warnings.. i can login, but warnings apprea all the time. i know it's something related to KMB controller, but didn't find any solution, so i came here
[23:27] <DarkLordVenom> use an ampersand link
[23:27] <DarkLordVenom> like f-spot &
[23:27] <Starnestommy> linkmaster03: programname &
[23:27] <linkmaster03> Thank you
[23:27] <mattywarr> ok, so i've installed it, but can't seem to find it under applications - does the service just run?
[23:28] <vad> why do i need to restart after i enable the ati proprietary driver?
[23:28] <Sorinello> if i disable the JMB controller it's fine, but i need the ATA drive too :(
[23:28] <xip> so - my monitor hates 8.04.. I threw in the install cd - selected install - starts to load the live environment - then  my monitor says "Not Supported Mode" .. so I need to lower the resolution or something before I get to that step.
[23:28] <PedanticSteve> is there the equivalent of "tcp optimizer" for linux?  similar to the windows program?
[23:28] <Starnestommy> vad: because it loads a kernel module on the next boot and loading that module while running may cause problems
[23:28] <valarie2> Hello. I have an annoying problem. I'm running Feisty Fawn and whenever I click and drag and icon on my desktop to move it, it makes a (copy) of it O_o. Any thoughts?
[23:29] <bent_> xip: There's a vga choice at start... I think it lets you choose resolution?
[23:29] <zvacet> xip : try alternate CD
[23:29] <xip> bent_: I'll double check that - but I didn't see one on 8.04
[23:29] <earthmeLon> 194.5GB/250GB restored using dd.  OMG I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
[23:30] <xip> zvacet: I had thought of that - but if I get it installed and I go to boot in to it - wont it auto detect my resolution incorrectly again?
[23:30] <zvacet> xip : If that happened you will correct it
[23:31] <xip> ah true I guess I can fail out of gui and fix it from there
[23:31] <zvacet> xip : and alternate  don´t use graphic installer so thar can help you install
[23:31] <valarie2> Is there any way to sort icons on your desktop other than "By Name"?
[23:32] <quittt> the new release is very near...
[23:32] <valarie2> aye
[23:32] <xip> zvacet: the only way to do non graphic install is to get the other image then? :) would be nice if I had that option from the cd I already got
[23:33] <earthmeLon> quittt: I've never upgraded Ubuntu before.  Is it normally a pretty seamless process?
[23:33] <quittt> yes, very easy
[23:33] <bazhang> earthmeLon: if you have dsl or above yes; dialup not so much
[23:33] <zvacet> xip : sorry only alternate have non graphic installer
[23:33] <PedanticSteve> anyone know if Ubuntu has a "tcp optimizer" program similar to the windows program?  to set TCP settings and optimize them?
[23:33] <earthmeLon> bazhang:  haha, yeah, it's not my connections I'm worried about.  Just nuking my system and having to start over
[23:33] <xip> zvacet: ah I figured as much - thanks though
[23:34] <berekop> join /stubru
[23:34] <earthmeLon> PedanticSteve: I'm not sure.  Are you having some sort of issue?
[23:34] <bazhang> earthmeLon: no need for that; just upgrade via the net and your /home is safe
[23:34] <vad> Starnestommy: is there a way that i do it without a restart?
[23:34] <zvacet> xip : and if you allready have ubuntu with alternae you can upgrade
[23:35] <Starnestommy> vad: I don't think so.  Is there any particular reason why you need to avoid a restart?
[23:35] <PedanticSteve> earthmeLon: yes:  see this thread on the forums... deals with slow network connectivity from Ubuntu- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=755101
[23:35] <earthmeLon> PedanticSteve: seems the forums are being "maintained" :P
[23:36] <PedanticSteve> earthmeLon: well I wonder if I should have made that post differently or not, to increase the chance someoen would respond... dont want to keep bumping my own post though
[23:36] <roxy123> hello guys, i was just wondering what folders i need to backup to keep my email contacts... also is there other important things i need to save, as im about to reinstall ubuntu
[23:36] <kittykitty> there are so few reasons to need these fancy pants video card drivers, and if you're running linux to play games, you're probably used to restarting in windows, live with it :p
[23:36] <BD[work]> /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off <<< any ideas on this message with a live cd?
[23:36] <zvacet> earthmeLon : time and patience is all you need
[23:37] <earthmeLon> roxy123: what email client are you using?
[23:37] <roxy123> evolution
[23:37] <CJS3141> If a program has the permissions: -rwsr-xr-x  and the owner is root, since the setuid bit is set for root, won't the program be run as root no matter who runs it?
[23:37] <Starnestommy> BD[work]: it means that the livecd failed to work correctly
[23:37] <DarkWolf2008> ok i am hated by ubuntu
[23:37] <earthmeLon> Aww, didnt work DarkWolf2008?
[23:37] <BD[work]> Starnestommy: fixes?
[23:37] <Starnestommy> CJS3141: yes, but the real uid will still be the user.  The effective uid will be root.
[23:38] <roxy123> earthmeLon:  i need to reinstall ubuntu because grub is messed up and not even the grub disk works
[23:38] <earthmeLon> roxy123: do you have a folder in your home directory named .evolution?
[23:38] <b4l74z4r> hi, there seem to be a problem playing di.fm radio streams in banshee, regular streams work, but when i log in to get access to higher bitrate streams, they won't play and it says (missing) in the station title
[23:38] <roxy123> maybe, i will look
[23:38] <boubbin> !dhcp
[23:38] <ubotu> dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, a protocol for automatic IP assignment from a router. Ubuntu uses dhclient as a DHCP client but other ones (and DHCP servers too) can be obtained from the !repos. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP
[23:39] <CJS3141> Starnestommy: Practically speaking then, what does that mean? When I run the program without sudo, it complains that it needs to be run as root. Isn't setting the s bit enough?
[23:39] <roxy123> earthmeLon:  i try to copy i"t,but i get the err "The folder "pop" cannot be handled because you do not have permissions to read it.
[23:39] <roxy123> im running in the liveCD right now
[23:39] <earthmeLon> Try using sudo mv BLAH BLAH
[23:39] <earthmeLon> actually
[23:39] <earthmeLon> sudo cp BLAH BLAH
[23:39] <Starnestommy> CJS3141: it might still require sudo because programs can tell if a non-root user is running it if it's setuid
[23:40] <Auctionedllama> !hardy | Auctionedllama
[23:41] <gouki> Hi! Anyone knows a open-source/free software backup solution with CDP?
[23:41] <earthmeLon> roxy123: have you tried fixing grub so that you can just boot into Ubuntu?
[23:41] <CJS3141> Starnestommy: That seems lame... I thought that was the whole point of setting the s bit as root, so the program could be run as root without it complaining. :D Anyway around it other than have to still put a sudo in front of the command?
[23:41] <floating> omg ubuntuforums are down
[23:42] <roxy123> earthmeLon:  i have tried as much as i can, but the tutorial that ubotu gave didnt work... or maybe im doeing something wrong
[23:42] <earthmeLon> CJS3141:  sudo -s
[23:42] <Starnestommy> CJS3141: rewrite and recompile the program to not check for root permissions
[23:42] <Starnestommy> NOT sudo -s
[23:42] <dacresni> is there any way to install packages as non admin? especially if you only want them for yourself
[23:43] <zvacet> dacresni I don´t think so
[23:43] <earthmeLon> My bad, misinterpreted the question
[23:43] <dacresni> hmm, there needs to be a solution for this. I'm being spoiled by mac
[23:44] <ijustam> so, i use optical audio... /dev/dsp neither /dev/adsp provide sound output.
[23:44] <ijustam> am i screwed for recording audio?
[23:44] <roxy123> earthmeLon:  do you think you can hold my hand getting grub working?
[23:44] <Daisuke_Ido> dacresni, there's no need for a "solution" for a problem that doesn't exist.
[23:44] <zvacet> dacresni : by default you have user with admin rights use thar account
[23:44] <dacresni> ...
[23:44] <CJS3141> Starnestommy: OK, but why would a program insist on the user being root? Why would it care as long as the effective user is root?
[23:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu isn't a mac
[23:44] <roxy123> im a noobie
[23:44] <Daisuke_Ido> don't expect it to behave like one just because you think it should
[23:44] <dacresni> i know
[23:44] <Starnestommy> CJS3141: probably because setuid can be very insecure sometimes
[23:45] <name10135> All: Looking  for help w/ alt-cd install (Dual boot w/ windows) Been having problems
[23:45] <dacresni> ok, so what if I am a user who just wants to install a program that only they use
[23:45] <earthmeLon> ;_;  I miss mIRC.  So sleek.  So Sexy
[23:45] <linkmaster03> I'm on mIRC now o.O
[23:45] <zvacet> dacresni : you will get used to it and then you will enjoy
[23:45] <linkmaster03> through wine its like, perfect
[23:45] <linux-lover> Hi all :)
[23:45] <earthmeLon> Whenever I use wine, all my fonts are all screwy linkmaster03
[23:46] <linkmaster03> one second
[23:46] <ijustam> are there other sound output devices beisdes /dev/dsp or /dev/adsp?
[23:46] <DarkWolf2008> Can anyone help me with Nvidia problems i have tryed envy and still it does not work any clues
[23:47] <name10135> Looking for help w/ alt-cd install, been having issues trying to setup a dual-boot
[23:47] <CJS3141> Starnestommy: Yes, I agree that it can, but I thought that one assumed that risk when setting the "s" bit, but I see I misunderstood. Would you happen to know the best way I can run a particular command on startup that requires sudo then? I tried putting into "Sessions" but it didn't work.
[23:47] <Pici> !ask | name10135
[23:47] <dacresni>  the program must go through debian stuff and install severall libraries but I am the only user who wants it, , so i should have a folders that mimics the /bin, /usr/share /lib, and /libexec
[23:47] <ubotu> name10135: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:47] <linkmaster03> earthmeLon: in terminal type "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[23:47] <linkmaster03> it will fix your WINE fonts
[23:47] <Starnestommy> CJS3141: maybe something like "echo password | sudo -S command"
[23:47] <bazhang> dacresni: what is the package
[23:48] <dacresni> this is hypothetical but, say quanta
[23:48] <Pici> CJS3141: You want to run a program as root when you boot, or when you login?
[23:48] <dacresni> or UT
[23:48] <dacresni> say
[23:48] <bazhang> dacresni: this is not a chit chat channel
[23:48] <CJS3141> Starnestommy: Yes, but I hate putting my password in plain text somewhere. :-D
[23:48] <zvacet> name10135 :http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/   hope it will help
[23:48] <dacresni> ok, ok,
[23:48] <CJS3141> Pici: When I login I want it to run the program as root. Any ideas?
[23:49] <mattywarr> hello - i have installed vnc4server usin apt-get, but I can;t find it in my applications to launch it. How do i do that?
[23:49] <PedanticSteve> sorry for repeating my question.. but if there is somewhere other than here or the forums to ask this please let me know... I have an issue with my Gutsy laptop having extremely slow download speeds (around 100 kbits) and an windows laptop plugged into the same Ethernet cable connects fast (around 5 Mbits).  I dont even know where to start troubleshooting this.  couldnt find similiar issue on the forums or google
[23:49] <earthmeLon> mattywarr: try running vnc-server
[23:49] <theLichKing> !grub
[23:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:49] <DarkLordVenom> DarkWolf2008: have you ensured that your nvidia card is on the hardware compatability list for ubuntu?
[23:49] <Pici> CJS3141: Can I ask what program?
[23:49] <mattywarr> earthmeLon - how do i do that? From command line?
[23:50] <dacresni> well, CJS3141 thats fairly insecure.
[23:50] <dacresni> PedanticSteve:
[23:50] <earthmeLon> yeah, put an & at the end so that it will continue running when you close the terminal mattywarr
[23:50] <Krzzzz> is there a way to install a package say ubuntu-desktop without having to install the rest of the stuff that comes with it?
[23:50] <Auctionedllama> Guys, I need some serious help
[23:50] <dacresni> PedanticSteve:  type mmi-tool
[23:50] <earthmeLon> mattywarr: vnc-server &
[23:50] <Auctionedllama> First, whats the command to find my UUids?
[23:50] <Auctionedllama> ?
[23:50] <CJS3141> Pici: Sure, don't think it will make a big difference but it is "mount.vboxsf"  a command that specifically mounts folders shared thru VirtualBox.
[23:50] <dacresni> whoami
[23:50] <Auctionedllama> ?
[23:50] <zvacet> Krzzzz : no
[23:51] <ijustam> Krzzzz: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package i believe, so... no.  you'd probably be best finding the specific package you want
[23:51] <mattywarr> cool :) Thanks earthmeLon
[23:51] <name10135> Okaaaay..  I cannot install Ubuntu 7.10 w/ a live CD (the loader stalls after not being able to find graphics drivers), attempted a alt-cd install w/ help here, and the install destroyed the windows boot on a separate partition.  I still require help setting up the partitioning via the alt-cd installer.
[23:51] <earthmeLon> mattywarr: not sure how to configure it, tbh, but hope that helps :D
[23:51] <Starnestommy> Auctionedllama: as in disk uuids?
[23:51] <dacresni> Auctionedllama: whoami should work, or   whois username
[23:51] <Krzzzz> ijustam:thanks for claryfying that
[23:51] <Krzzzz> ;0)
[23:51] <Pici> CJS3141: Does vbox run as a daemon?
[23:51] <earthmeLon> You can run "w" to see who is currently logged in
[23:51] <PedanticSteve> dacresni:  I get "bash: mmi-tool: command not found".  did you mean "ethtool"?
[23:51] <mattywarr> earthmeLon: Its a start :) thanks for your help - this channel has helped so much i hope to pass on my experience when I get some!!
[23:52] <bazhang> name10135: are you going to install windows again; if so best do it first
[23:52] <Krzzzz> maybe u guys can help me  my   GDM login screen is no longer giving me the option to restart, shut off etc
[23:52] <Krzzzz> they just dissapeared
[23:52] <CJS3141> Pici: I'm not sure, but I think it might--I'm really not sure the specifics of how they share files between the host/guest OS.
[23:52] <Auctionedllama> starnestommy, yes the disk UUIds.. see my GRUB is FUBAR, and I have no idea how to fix it.. none of the boot options work except windows and the ubuntu inside windows, (I copied it to a partition, and want it to boot into it)
[23:52] <dacresni> PedanticSteve: i ment mii-tool
[23:53] <name10135> bazhang: Already did, need help walking through how to setup a dual boot install.
[23:53] <dacresni> alright,
[23:53] <Starnestommy> Auctionedllama: try ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[23:53] <bazhang> name10135: the live cd does not work? what errors are you getting
[23:53] <zvacet> name10135 : when yo ucome to partition stage select manual and then select where you want to install Ubuntu
[23:53] <Pici> CJS3141: Well, if it does, then it sounds like the perfect command to run when the computer boots, not when you login.
[23:53] <Pici> CJS3141: And then its easy to get it to run as root
[23:54] <name10135> I do not have an option to install guided w/o destroying the windows partition.  I have no clue how to partition and install manually through alt-cd
[23:54] <name10135> bazhang:
[23:54] <PedanticSteve> dacresni: "bash: miitool: command not found"
[23:54] <bazhang> name10135: then use the guided
[23:54] <Auctionedllama> ok starnestommy, uhm.. I got them.. can you explain what I do with them now?
[23:54] <Pici> !boot > CJS3141 (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[23:54] <dmsuperman> How can I run a command (like Alt + F2) only it will show the terminal as it runs? Without opening a terminal? Basically, like in windows if you go to start, run, and type a commandline command it will show the command prompt only as long as it's running
[23:55] <icesword> helllllooo
[23:55] <earthmeLon> dmsuperman: What?
[23:55] <Waffle> dmsuperman, Why not bind keys to open the terminal?
[23:55] <earthmeLon> dmsuperman: Do you want the terminal to be opened or not, lol?
[23:55] <name10135> bazhang: Via "Guided - resisze SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1....."  That option will not destroy the windows partition?
[23:55] <CJS3141> Pici: OK, now I see why you are asking. :-) Thanks for the ircbot info on booting. I'll read it and give it a try. :)
[23:55] <Auctionedllama> starnestommy?
[23:56] <zvacet> name10135 : when you choose manual you will see all your partiitons.Don´t touch ntfs.It is windows.You must have some free space to install
[23:56] <dmsuperman> earthmeLon, I want to execute a command, that runs in the terminal, but when it's done the terminal automatically closes
[23:56] <bazhang> name10135: what do you mean install guided will destroy the windows partition; that does not sound right
[23:56] <DarkWolf2008> ahhhhh
[23:56] <Starnestommy> Auctionedllama: find out which uuid belongs to your root partition
[23:56] <dmsuperman> earthmeLon, so I don't have to keep cleaning up my terminal windows :P
[23:56] <earthmeLon> Oh, dmsuperman, then create a bash script
[23:56] <DarkWolf2008> we may have progress
[23:56] <dmsuperman> earthmeLon, no, any command, nothing static
[23:56] <Starnestommy> what exactly needs to be done with it is somthing that I'm not sure about
[23:56] <Auctionedllama> ok.. Uhm.. my root as in where my Ubuntu is installed or where windows is installed?
[23:56] <Starnestommy> Auctionedllama: ubuntu
[23:56] <Auctionedllama> ok.. I have it... now what?
[23:57] <tsb_> Hello. I noticed I have -386 and -generic packages installed. I looked in apt and also found linux-686 but it sais "dummy package". So I'm a bit unsure which package to use for my intel core 2 duo system.
[23:57] <Auctionedllama> do you want to see my menu.lst and my fstab and tell me what to edit?
[23:57] <bazhang> name10135: the guided can simply resize your windows partition, not destroy it
[23:57] <crdlb> tsb_: linux-generic is what you should be using
[23:57] <name10135> zvacet: I tried that with guidance on this channel, but the install failed, and then windows was no longer able to boot.
[23:57] <tsb_> crdlb: okay thank you, that is what I am using actually.
[23:57] <icesword> bazhang, good morning, zao shang hao!!!
[23:57] <bazhang> hello icesword
[23:57] <John___> hey :]
[23:58] <dmsuperman> earthmeLon, say for instance I want to run nvidia-settings normally I have to make a new terminal windows (or as you suggest make a bash script for it) but I just want to be able to put a command it, have it run, then when it's done running the window closes
[23:58] <Auctionedllama> starnestommy?
[23:58] <John_> is there a photoshop/graphic design channel
[23:58] <John_> ?
[23:58] <dovlaz> does anyone know what divers will 8.04 support off the cd for broadcom wireless? (xps 1330)??
[23:58] <dmsuperman> John_, are you having issues with Photoshop in general? or with running it in wine?
[23:58] <altf2o> Just wondering if anyone knows of a media player that can play iTunes DRM protected files? I'm on Hardy 8.04 64bit. I've tried all the media players i can find to install non work. Closest is VLC which appears to start playing the file, but no sound comes out.
[23:58] <John_> photoshop in general i'm afraid :P
[23:58] <Starnestommy> Auctionedllama: I don't really know anythiung about menu.lst or fstab with uuids
[23:58] <bazhang> !irc | John_ check the channel list link at the bottom
[23:58] <ubotu> John_ check the channel list link at the bottom: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[23:58] <Auctionedllama> man, ok thanks
[23:58] <elmer> huh, the forums are offline
[23:58] <geminidomino> Mysql/PHP question: I have a php app that is insisting on trying to connect to mysql through /tmp/mysql.lock. I have edited /etc/mysql/*.cnf, and phpMyadmin works fine on the same machine. Mysql CLI client also wants to look at /tmp/mysql.lock. Any ideas what I am missing?
[23:59] <dmsuperman> John_, private message me I'm pretty familiar with it, i may be of some help
[23:59] <Waffle> altf2o, if it is DRM protected then you will probably need iTunes to play it
[23:59] <John_> Sweet, cheers dmsuperman :]
[23:59] <CJS3141> Pici: So if I want to run the command as root at bootup, would I put it in the /etc/rc.local file? And does it require a "sudo" in front or is that script run as root?
[23:59] <Waffle> Unless you strip the DRM off the file, but that could be illegal, not sure about the laws
[23:59] <bazhang> altf2o: need to re-rip in iTunes as mp3
[23:59] <Pici> CJS3141: No sudo required, everything in there runs as root
[23:59] <zvacet> name10135: it is so rare to alternate CD install failed.Boot windows Cd and type fixmbr
[23:59] <bitsbam> how do i change my time in xubuntu
[23:59] <bitsbam> ?
[23:59] <altf2o> Waffle: yeah, i was hoping to be able to just play 'em.
[23:59] <CJS3141> Pici: OK, so is that where I should put the command and give it a try?


[01:40] <Guest289> hello
[01:41] <Guest289> can someone help me with creating a multi boot USB from lubuntu ?
[01:46] <Anonymous> ping
[01:47] <Guest92067> anyone here?
[01:47] <Guest92067> trying to create a multiboot USB from lubuntu, can anyone help pls ?
[02:12] <Wiseguy95a> Hello
[11:10] <mk> Hi
[11:11] <mk> Anyone there?
[11:12] <mk> I have issues regarding lubuntu installation
[11:14] <mk> ??
[12:12] <mk> Hi
[12:20] <mk> Hi


[01:20] <kubunted> Laptop lid is closed ( sleep ), opened , keyboard is gone - no input is accepted . Surprises galore from the wonderOS , any more to expect?
[01:20] <kubunted> any explanations?
[01:34] <kubunted> dead channel?
[01:35] <Fanfare> kubunted: bad time maybe...
[01:36] <kubunted> indeed seems like it
[01:37] <Fanfare> kubunted: What are u looking for?
[01:37] <kubunted> all of a sudden, never before never after..had to reboot to get keyboard back...bizzarre
[01:37] <kubunted> Laptop lid is closed ( sleep ), opened , keyboard is gone - no input is accepted . Surprises galore from the wonderOS (kubuntu), any more to expect? Any explanations?
[01:38] <kubunted> weird
[01:40] <Fanfare> only keyboarddead, not mice?
[01:41] <Fanfare> mouse/cursor...
[01:42] <kubunted> Fanfare: yes, only keyboard . trackpad worked
[01:44] <Fanfare> kubunted: u say it happened the first time an never happened again... so u can not reproduce?
[01:44] <kubunted> Fanfare: yes
[01:46] <kubunted> weirdness of this kind of unpredictable surprises that various linux distros never stop to deliver is what boggles the mind...always something new and often unreproducible
[01:47] <Fanfare> well, i can remember those in my MS Windows time too... and more frequent then with linux...
[01:47] <kubunted> never know what failes next , in the middle of something important...making once promising ( in the 1990s) os a bad candidate for real job
[01:48] <Fanfare> i think it was something happening during suspend->wakeup thou
[01:48] <kubunted> these unpredictable failures happen on different computers with different distros
[01:50] <kubunted> Win7 has been much more reliable than any linux distro - a role reversal - Mswindows is the new linux now and linux is the new windows95
[01:51] <kubunted> boggles the mind
[01:51] <Fanfare> it's all your choice...
[01:53] <kubunted> indeedy if it was not for the very few things at which linux is better I would've completely dumped it
[01:54] <kubunted> spoken by an early adopter from the early 1990s who's been a hardcore member of the linux cult....never could've imagined
[01:57] <Fanfare> so why u landed on (k)ubuntu?
[09:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:59] <jk^> hi all
[15:59] <jk^> please
[16:00] <jk^> where can i find the Minimum (or reccomended) system requirements, for kubuntu 16.04.02?
[16:00] <jk^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[16:00] <jk^> i can't find them here
[16:49] <mparillo_> jk^: I am not sure they are published. I do know that if you have a 1GB Asus One Netbook, you will need a ton of patience.
[16:50] <jk^> ton of patience for what?
[16:50] <mparillo_> A T410 with 4GB is great unless you play a big Minecraft world, and in that case the JVM will drive your fan crazy.
[16:56] <jk^> excuse me, i don't understand anything of what u said :(
[16:56] <jk^> just need recommended or minimun system requirements :\
[16:56] <jk^> my english i very poor
[16:56] <jk^> i don't know a t410
[16:56] <jk^> minecraft
[16:56] <jk^> world
[16:56] <jk^> jvm
[16:57] <jk^> :\
[17:10] <mparillo_> jk^: I would follow Ubuntu's recommendations: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[17:15] <oerheks> jk^, more is better ,.. https://askubuntu.com/a/333864
[17:17] <oerheks> a decent GPU is more important, ssd would be great too
[17:20] <jk^> mparillo_ https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop at that link there are the "recommended" (and not the "minimum") system requirements for ubuntu, i need the kubuntu's ones
[17:20] <jk^> :\
[17:26] <jk^> thanks a lot oerheks
[17:26] <jk^> :)
[17:29] <mparillo_> I am not certain that the minimum referenced here (https://askubuntu.com/questions/333795/what-are-the-system-requirements-for-each-flavour-of-ubuntu-desktop/333864#333864) will work. In fact, I am not sure you can even run the GUI installer in 512 MB. As I wrote previously, I got warnings using my 1GB netbook.
[17:31] <mparillo_> And Kubuntu's KDE and Ubuntu's (until 17.10) Unity environment are not too different. Unity is not much 'llghter', and probably heavier if you tweak it at all.
[17:36] <oerheks> i think basicly unity , gnome3 & kde like 2 gb memory, but for all flavors: a ssd makes all desktops more responsive
[17:40] <mparillo_> I agree. Certainly once you get to 4GB, an SSD is the next big improvement, especially if you re-boot frequently.
[19:00] <NetTrap320> Hi people?
[20:41] <calcmandan-mobil> ello
[22:41] <ilikethiskdelook> so i would to make sure i'm getting the proper software updates through my discover..


[01:53] <RFleming> Hi!  Anyone from support here?
[09:13] <voldyman> i am getting bugs older than the date specified in searchTasks(modified_since=<date>) any idea why
[09:13] <voldyman> the date is datetime.utcnow()
[09:18] <voldyman> also curl responds with Object: <lazr.restful.declarations.GET_IHasBugs_searchTasks_beta object at 0x2b69f1dec690>, name: ''
[09:18] <wgrant> voldyman: Lots of operations on the bug update the modification date.
[09:18] <wgrant> What is the URL you're giving to curl?
[09:19] <voldyman> https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/elementary/searchTasks?status=Fix%20Released
[09:19] <wgrant> That's not a valid URL
[09:19] <wgrant> https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/elementary?ws.op=searchTasks&status=Fix%20Released
[09:20] <voldyman> ahh
[09:20] <voldyman> wgrant: i was fetching all bugs before and checking release_data, is that better or modified_since
[09:20] <wgrant> release_data?
[09:21] <voldyman> release_date
[09:21] <wgrant> It depends what you want
[09:22] <wgrant> If you want the date of last modification use modified_since
[09:22] <voldyman> i want bugs that were marked fix released since the last check
[09:22] <voldyman> earlier i was using https://github.com/voldyman/elementary-fixes/blob/83d7fc176ffdd95de42b40a6cbdefbb0ef08bef9/bot.py#L56
[09:22] <voldyman> now i am using https://github.com/voldyman/elementary-fixes/blob/master/bot.py#L56
[09:22] <wgrant> modified_since will give you a superset of those bugs, so it's probably what you want.
[09:23] <voldyman> but i got older bugs
[09:23] <voldyman> as you can see here https://twitter.com/elementaryfixes it tweeted older bugs
[09:27] <voldyman> wgrant: whats the best way to specify the date to the python api ?
[09:33] <wgrant> voldyman: Bugs can change in ways other than having their status set to Fix Released. You need to filter the list to those bugs that have had their status set to Fix Released in the interesting window.
[09:33] <wgrant> voldyman: launchpadlib takes datetime.datetime
[09:35] <voldyman> wgrant: so i'll ask for bugs modified since, then check the date and status
[09:36] <wgrant> voldyman: Right, I'd check status and date_fix_released.
[12:16] <thomasberends> I get a lot of timeout errors while translating. Is this a known problem?
[13:27] <eagles0513875> hey guys I have a few questions is it possible for canonicals build machines to pull from a github repo instead of bzr on launchpad?
[13:30] <wgrant> eagles0513875: No, for security reasons that's not directly possible. You'd need to ask Launchpad to import the GitHub repositoriry into a Launchpad bzr branch first.
[13:31] <eagles0513875> wgrant: ok will bzr have issues if we are using git submodules?
[13:34] <dobey> eagles0513875: yes
[13:35] <eagles0513875> ok basically it wont import whats in a submodule?
[13:36] <dobey> it won't import a git branch that has ever had submodules in its history
[13:36] <eagles0513875> :O
[13:36] <eagles0513875> even if they are removed from being used
[13:37] <dobey> yes
[13:41] <wgrant> eagles0513875: bzr-git can't represent submodules, so it's not possible to import any commit that contains submodules. Due to the nature of git repositories, that also means it's not possible to import any branch that has submodules anywhere in nits history.
[13:43] <eagles0513875> ok :( what could we use instead of submodules that would work
[13:43] <eagles0513875> with bzr
[13:43] <eagles0513875> is it required to build packages for releases using canonical build bots?
[13:44] <wgrant> Which releases?
[13:44] <eagles0513875> future releases
[13:45] <wgrant> What kind of releases?
[13:45] <wgrant> Launchpad's builders build for PPAs, and PPAs must be built on Launchpad's builders.
[13:45] <wgrant> If you don't need packages in Ubuntu or in a PPA, you don't use Launchpad's builders.
[13:46] <eagles0513875> i thought you could upload a package to a ppa that isnt build by the LP build machines
[13:46] <wgrant> No, all PPA binaries must be built by Launchpad.
[13:46] <wgrant> But you can build a *source* package locally an dupload that
[13:46] <eagles0513875> wgrant: then from that source package something can be built for a ppa
[13:46] <wgrant> You don't have to use recipes; they're an optional extra.
[13:47] <eagles0513875> im just trying to see our best alternatives at this point
[13:56] <eagles0513875> wgrant: lets say you have a package in a ppa and you want to get it into the next release what would one have to do ?
[14:00] <dobey> what are you trying to do exactly? generally the maintainer builds a new source package and uploads it to the distro, there is no PPA involved
[14:01] <dobey> launchpad is also just the hosting platform, it doesn't make policy for how ubuntu handles packaging
[14:02] <eagles0513875> dobey: i just want to be clear would canonical accept an ubuntu package which was built ones hardware compared to their own.
[14:02] <dobey> it has nothing to do with canonical
[14:03] <dobey> you cannot upload binary packages to ubuntu
[14:03] <dobey> you only upload source packages
[14:03] <eagles0513875> ok so as long as the source package is available on ones LP page then we can request that be pulled into the next release?
[14:03] <dobey> what release?
[14:04] <dobey> 14.10?
[14:04] <dobey> why are you not discussing this with israel?
[14:12] <eagles0513875> I am discussing this with him, but im just researching options at this point
[14:17] <cjwatson> I can be absolutely clear on this from Ubuntu's point of view: we do not accept binaries that were built on other hardware.
[14:17] <cjwatson> Not negotiable.
[14:24] <dobey> indeed
[16:14] <eagles0513875> cjwatson: you wont even accept source packages from others hardware to then send to the build machines for a ppa and that package in a ppa for a main stream release
[16:15] <cjwatson> eagles0513875: Where did I say that?
[16:15] <cjwatson> eagles0513875: Of course we accept *source* packages from other people's hardware; all the source packages in Ubuntu are that way ...
[16:16] <cjwatson> eagles0513875: We don't pull straight from external git repositories, but Ubuntu packages don't build straight from git anyway, they build from source packages
[16:16] <eagles0513875> cjwatson: ok. my question is this if we have nightly builds in a ppa for example, for a release cycle can a package be pulled from a ppa
[16:17] <eagles0513875> reason im asking is we are going to run into an issue with our master branch which is using submodules
[16:17] <cjwatson> We don't pull nightly builds into Ubuntu - you should get an Ubuntu developer to upload releases
[16:17] <cjwatson> The submodules issue matters for recipes but is entirely irrelevant for uploads to Ubuntu
[16:18] <eagles0513875> cjwatson: im not saying nightly builds but can we request a stable release be pulled from a ppa?
[16:18] <cjwatson> That's occasionally possible but not recommended
[16:19] <cjwatson> It would have to be rebuilt on the Ubuntu build farm anyway (which is distinct from PPAs) so it doesn't buy you much
[16:19] <cjwatson> And either way it needs an Ubuntu developer to actually do it, so you might as well let them do it in a more normal way
[16:31] <dobey> eagles0513875: you can't have nightly builds in a ppa any more anyway
[16:31] <eagles0513875> so I guess we need to migrate away from using submodules
[16:31] <dobey> and what cjwatson said. the maintainer should just upload the new package
[16:31] <dobey> eagles0513875: no, you can't just do that either
[16:32] <eagles0513875> dobey: ok so basically just upload it and that is it
[16:33] <dobey> eagles0513875: the commits that depend on submodules would have to be completely removed from all history in the branch, to be able to import in bzr again
[16:33] <dobey> yes, that is the only way you should get a new package version into ubuntu
[16:33] <dobey> create a source package of the new version, and upload it
[16:33] <eagles0513875> ok.
[16:33] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:34] <eagles0513875> so if we need a new package the  package is pulled from the uploaded source
[16:34] <cjwatson> Submodules or not make no difference for Ubuntu uploads, as I say
[16:34] <cjwatson> We would never just copy directly from a recipe-constructed source package in any case
[16:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:35] <eagles0513875> perfect :)
[16:35] <eagles0513875> thanks


[10:25] <robin_> hì?
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !ask | robin_
[10:26] <robin_> sry i think i am in the wrong application :D