[02:02]  * ahoneybun loves pizza
[02:04] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: thanks for adding me back on G+
[02:05] <shadeslayer> haha
[02:05] <shadeslayer> who doesn't love pizza
[02:05] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping?
[03:08] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: thanks for adding me back on G+
[03:10] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: uhm, okay?
[03:11] <shadeslayer> you already thanked me once :P
[03:11] <ahoneybun> did not know if you got it
[03:11] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:12] <shadeslayer> ofcourse I did
[03:14] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:33] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: can you give me feedback on the Docs?
[04:01] <valorie> back
[04:01] <valorie> whassup?
[04:01] <ahoneybun> nm
[04:02] <valorie> 14 hours until GSoC letters are sent out
[04:02] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:02] <valorie> poor students have to wait to find out
[04:02] <valorie> did you apply?
[04:02] <ahoneybun> for?
[04:03] <valorie> google summer of code
[04:03] <ahoneybun> no I can't code
[04:04] <valorie> ok
[04:04] <ahoneybun> LibreOffice is in there
[04:04] <ahoneybun> thats great
[04:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: I started on the Getting Involved page
[04:07] <valorie> oh very good
[04:07] <valorie> you are just on fire!
[04:08] <ahoneybun> lol I guess
[04:08] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved
[04:09] <valorie> actually 3 ways: the forums are all good too
[04:10] <valorie> of course people have 3 choices of forum.....
[04:10] <ahoneybun> yea It can be improved
[04:11] <valorie> some folks are forum users, almost exclusively
[04:11] <valorie> I think we would use them more if we had a bot that reported new posts and replies in the channels
[04:12] <valorie> to all 3 forums, ideally
[04:12] <valorie> probably to #kubuntu, not here
[04:12] <ScottK> valorie: Unlikely.  When claydoh_ has tried to do that sort of thing even manually, with hand holding, it hasn't been very successful.
[04:12] <valorie> would help the forums too
[04:12] <ScottK> Maybe there.
[04:13] <valorie> if it got too noisy, we could make a #kubuntu-forums channel
[04:13] <valorie> whatever the KDE sysadmins use, it's really useful
[04:14] <ahoneybun> are we talking about the Internet forums
[04:14] <valorie> I don't like forums much, but when I see an Amarok question I can answer, for instance, I can pop right over and do it
[04:15] <valorie> ahoneybun: we have the Ubuntu forums/Kub. section, Kubuntuforum and the KDE Kubuntu section (I think)
[04:15] <valorie> not sure about the third possibility
[04:15] <valorie> not sure what you mean by Internet forum
[04:16] <ahoneybun> forums in general
[04:16] <valorie> some call them message boards, or even billboards
[04:16] <ahoneybun> I mean is there a kub section in the ubuntu forums
[04:16] <valorie> yes
[04:17] <ahoneybun> I don't see it, I see [kubuntu] tags
[04:17] <valorie> yeah, it's a bit split up
[04:19] <ahoneybun> I don't see the section so I just put the links for the ubuntu forums and the kubuntuforums
[04:20] <valorie> ok
[04:20] <valorie> yeah, I thought I remembered a specific kub section, but i don't see anything in the general categories
[04:22] <valorie> nothing in the kde forums that is specific to kub either
[04:22] <ahoneybun> I just checked that
[04:23] <ahoneybun> darkwing did not get to update the trello so I added what I thought we would need
[04:23] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[04:26] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking I should remove the develop part
[04:27] <valorie> what develop part?
[04:28] <ahoneybun> in the trello
[04:28] <ahoneybun> I put there
[04:44] <ahoneybun> I also added the some more parts to the Basic page
[05:13] <ahoneybun> valorie: any news about the video chats on YouTube?
[05:14] <valorie> not that I know of
[05:14] <valorie> I imagine darkwing is pretty busy with his kids right now
[05:14] <valorie> we'll get it scheduled soon enough
[05:18] <ahoneybun> yea I know, I hope he is having fun
[05:29] <ahoneybun> valorie: you busy?
[05:30] <valorie> sorta, what's up?
[05:30] <ahoneybun> valorie: just wanted more input about the Doc work so far,
[05:31] <valorie> I think we are doing great
[05:31] <valorie> and really, I would say they are better than they have ever been before
[05:32] <valorie> I think we can still do a bit more though
[05:32] <valorie> and make them even more clear and understandable to the beginner
[05:32] <valorie> soon we should find some people to read them who know nothing about kubuntu
[05:32] <valorie> and get their feedback
[05:33] <ahoneybun> 98% of it is from the original docs
[05:33] <ahoneybun> just it looks good in the wiki
[05:34] <ahoneybun> thats what I'm saying I could use some guide on the format more
[05:35] <valorie> let's wait for the docmaster to show up again
[05:36] <valorie> I'm pretty sure he has some ideas on format, having dealt with both docbook and wiki for longer than both of us put together
[05:38] <ahoneybun> darkwing?
[05:38] <valorie> yup
[05:38] <valorie> and maybe jjesse will chime in too
[05:38] <valorie> he's maybe the grand docmaster
[05:38] <valorie> :-)
[05:39] <ahoneybun> is it too early to try for membership?
[05:39] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:39] <ahoneybun> grand master
[05:40] <valorie> 6 months of contribution
[05:40] <valorie> so, document your contributions
[05:40] <valorie> :-)
[05:41] <ahoneybun> the page says 2
[05:41] <ahoneybun> I'm writing it on my page
[05:46] <ahoneybun> the membership page says 2 months min
[05:48] <valorie> cool!
[05:48] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Membership
[05:50] <ahoneybun> plus that Kubuntu Meeting page has not been updated since last year
[05:52] <valorie> I think we've had some new members (not sure though) but they didn't do all the steps
[05:53] <ahoneybun> oh
[05:55] <valorie> some people are really uncomfortable editing a wiki page
[05:55] <valorie> not sure why
[05:55] <ahoneybun> I was trying to go though the right channels
[05:55] <ahoneybun> I think its easy
[05:55] <ahoneybun> it's
[05:55] <valorie> me too
[05:56] <valorie> but i've tried helping some folks edit wikis (various ones, it isn't the software) and they just Do Not Want To
[05:56] <ahoneybun> I'm trying anyway lol
[05:57] <ahoneybun> oh weird
[05:59] <ahoneybun> I can tell you I'm getting that membership!
[05:59] <soee> good morning
[06:00] <ahoneybun> soee: good morning
[06:01] <valorie> ahoneybun: you'll have my vote, once you pass the Sekrit Test
[06:01] <valorie> :-)
[06:01] <ahoneybun> the what?
[06:02] <valorie> oops, sekrit!
[06:02] <ahoneybun> what is that?
[06:02] <valorie> ::evil laugh::
[06:02] <soee> you have to kiss valorie :)
[06:02] <ahoneybun> 0.o
[06:02] <soee> and she will decide how it was ;)
[06:03] <valorie> rofl
[06:03] <ahoneybun> soee: weirdo lol
[06:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: what is sekrit
[06:03] <soee> nono lol is kded4 proces on my laptop
[06:03] <valorie> I'm just joking around
[06:03] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[06:04] <ahoneybun> hard to tell with text
[06:04] <valorie> seriously, when you ask for my recommendation, I'll gladly add it to your page
[06:05] <ahoneybun> valorie: testimonial you mean>
[06:05] <ahoneybun> ?
[06:05] <valorie> right
[06:05] <valorie> whatever they call it there
[06:05] <ahoneybun> that would look great
[06:07] <ahoneybun> anyway
[06:08] <ahoneybun> I'm off for the morning
[06:08] <valorie> niters, ahoneybun
[06:08] <valorie> sweet dreams
[06:09] <ahoneybun> valorie: same to you
[10:22] <Riddell> good morning
[10:30] <Riddell> what needs done to get 4.10.3 into raring-updates?  just file a SRU and copy the packages from PPA to -proposed?
[10:33] <yofel> SRU is done
[10:33] <yofel> that's filed before upload
[10:33] <yofel> just just need to upload the packages and l10n
[10:34] <yofel> for l10n maybe don't upload the serbian translations (see packagers)
[10:34] <yofel> *you just need to...
[11:21] <apachelogger> jussi: channels' ACLs still need updating :P
[11:36] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> HI all
[12:09] <soee> what does kded4 proccess do /
[12:16] <Riddell> see system settings kded
[12:39] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[12:44]  * Peace- had such a great time with my kubuntu on this i7
[12:47] <Riddell> hi seele
[12:47] <seele> anyone available for a 30-45 minute interview about their kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v.
[12:47] <seele> Riddell: heya :)
[12:48]  * Riddell could do although this internet is a bit unreliable
[12:48] <seele> up to you, i'd appreciate it if you weren't too busy
[12:48] <Riddell> Peace-: i7 being a fancy intel laptop?
[12:49] <Riddell> seele: I'm not busy
[12:53] <Peace-> Riddell: do you want to know the brand ?
[13:02]  * Peace- has used windows 8 for 1 day , after that only  kubuntu, he  feels safe secure and and a normal world
[13:08] <BluesKaj> I'm somewhat disappointed with the poorly developed vpn client/server in kde , the settings are difficult to interpret for networking laymen
[13:09] <Riddell> BluesKaj: we'll be getting a new network applet soon
[13:10] <BluesKaj> and the manuals read like they were written by geeks who would describe a pencil as a writing tool used by ppl without a computer :)
[13:11] <BluesKaj> insider lingo
[13:12] <BluesKaj> that's my rant for today
[14:09] <Riddell> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1176358
[14:18] <seele> thanks to Riddell who was interviewed about his KDE notifications and earned $5 donation to the KDE e.v.
[14:18] <seele> anyone available for a 30-45 minute interview about their kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v.
[14:19] <genii-around> If I had 30-45 uninterrupted minutes from work I would, but unfortunately I don't.
[14:20] <genii-around> seele: Have you asked in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[14:20] <seele> i didnt know #kubutnu-offtopic existed
[14:20] <seele> thanks
[14:21] <genii-around> Although I made a typo on the name, but yes it exists
[15:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:52] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[15:52] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[15:53] <Riddell> I'm awesome thanks :)
[15:54] <lordievader> Good to hear :)
[16:03] <Darkwing> Afternoon
[16:04] <lordievader> Hey Darkwing, how are you?
[16:05] <Darkwing> lordievader: My kids arrived on Saturday. I'm pretty happy right about now. :)
[16:05] <Riddell> it's Count Duckula!  the Twilight vampire of the 1980s
[16:05] <lordievader> :)
[16:05]  * Darkwing snickers
[16:07] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ping pong
[16:08] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: pong
[16:08] <ahoneybun> ;)
[16:10] <ahoneybun> you check out trello?
[16:10] <Darkwing> Not really, this is the fist time I've sat at my computer since my kids arrived on Sat
[16:10] <ahoneybun> yea
[16:12] <ahoneybun> I did not think so
[16:12] <ahoneybun> I think a bit of progress was made
[16:13] <ahoneybun> bbl
[16:13] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Will write a short guide to Chromium this evening.
[16:18] <Darkwing> Yay for home server maintainance
[16:27] <Darkwing> Riddell: Any plans on backporting the new owncloud updates to the LTS?
[16:28] <Riddell> Darkwing: hmm good question
[16:29] <Darkwing> Because the differences between owncloud 5.0.* and what is in the LTS owncloud 3.* is quite a bit.
[16:29] <Darkwing> although, let me try something.
[16:29] <Riddell> Darkwing: I uploaded packages of 5.0.4 and asked tech board if they could get in
[16:29] <Riddell> haven't got a reply, ScottK said he'd take that as no objections and put some in
[16:29] <Riddell> I said I'd update it to the latest version
[16:29] <Riddell> and I think that's where we left it
[16:30] <Darkwing> 5.0.6 is released I believe.
[16:32] <Riddell> bug 1079150
[16:33]  * Riddell snoozes
[16:33] <Darkwing> huh
[16:39] <yofel> Darkwing: you could get 5 from obs in the meanwhile
[16:40] <Darkwing> yofel: Aye, I was thinking about that.
[16:40] <Darkwing> I did do that but, there was issues with the internal permissions
[16:46] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll try and have a look later today.
[17:28] <ahoneybunn> Hello Darkwing
[17:38] <ahoneybunn_> valorie: pong
[17:51] <ahoneybun> hey Darkwing
[19:15] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ping
[20:11] <lordievader> ahoneybun: http://paste.kde.org/751796/ Take a look, and let me know if it's okay.
[20:13] <soee> lordievader, when formatting text you should use text instead of text :)
[20:13] <lordievader> soee: Wasn't sure what the wiki used, so I used HTML ;)
[20:14] <soee> ah its wiki
[20:14] <soee> then im not sure to :)
[20:14] <lordievader> Hehe
[22:34] <ahoneybunn> hey Darkwing:


[00:01] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: we miss you
[00:01] <babbageclunk> omws!
[00:02] <babbageclunk> hangouts is being weird
[00:35] <hml> wallyworld: it wasn’t me.  ha!  it was a merge error
[00:35] <wallyworld> lol
[00:35] <hml> wallyworld: so sort of me.  :-)
[00:35] <hml> wallyworld: i’ll fix it
[00:36] <wallyworld> ta
[01:22] <wallyworld> thumper: that branch you commented on - it's targetted at a feature branch, not develop
[01:22] <wallyworld> there's a whole bunch of stuff we're holding off on
[01:34] <axw> wallyworld babbageclunk: is the agent version stuff all done? I notice that we're still looking for agent binaries in streams for dev builds, is that expected?
[01:35] <wallyworld> axw: there's still stuff to commit. streams can contain alphas/betas etc. is that what you mean?
[01:36] <axw> wallyworld: I mean if I build juju from source, should it still be looking for packaged binaries?
[01:36] <axw> wallyworld: it adds 10 seconds to bootstrap for me to find out there's nothing packaged
[01:36] <wallyworld> it will unless you use --build-agent
[01:36] <axw> would be nice to shave
[01:36] <axw> ok
[01:36] <wallyworld> otherwise without that flag it doesn't know to use a local version
[01:37] <wallyworld> so it searches for a match
[01:37] <axw> wallyworld: I thought we were using the fact that it's not a released agent (i.e. sha256 doesn't match version file) to skip that
[01:37] <wallyworld> the change from --upload-tools was that without --upload-tools it would fail
[01:37] <wallyworld> yes, that should be part of it
[01:38] <wallyworld> what is being worke don now is just the fallback bit
[01:38] <axw> okey dokey
[02:01] <axw> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8078 you were right, it was a small fix :)
[02:01] <wallyworld> looking
[02:01] <wallyworld> lol
[02:02] <hml> axw: cool - don’t see 1 char fixes often
[02:02] <hml> :-)
[02:02] <axw> hml: :)
[02:02] <hml> wallyworld: the test ended up being deceptively simple.  ha  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8077
[02:02] <wallyworld> looking
[02:05] <wallyworld> hml: great ty
[02:05] <hml> wallyworld: ty
[02:06] <hml> g’night all
[02:07] <axw> night hml
[02:15] <babbageclunk> axw: sorry, was out looking at a house. what wallyworld said though
[02:16] <thumper> wallyworld: oh, ok, good
[02:16] <axw> babbageclunk: cool
[03:21] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: check out my WIP please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8080
[03:21] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: will do afterr meeting
[03:21] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: working on the multiple results from GetMetadata now.
[03:22] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: cool cool - have a nice meeting!
[03:22] <wallyworld> yay, meeting
[04:22] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i left a few comments, not sure if they make sense
[04:22] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: thanks, will have a look shortly
[04:22] <wallyworld> righto, ping if yo want to discuss
[04:58] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: do you think that ValueParams needs a func that takes a stream name and returns the mirror content id then?
[04:59] <wallyworld> yeah, maybe, that could work
[04:59] <wallyworld> the flow is once a choice has been made, the actually download needs to come from the mirror
[04:59] <babbageclunk> ok, I'll add that.
[05:00] <wallyworld> i think a mirror has product files and binaries
[05:00] <wallyworld> so the index entry determines the mirror to redirect to
[05:00] <wallyworld> or something like that, it's been a loooong time
[05:01] <babbageclunk> ok, I'll check how MirrorContentId gets used and see if that change makes sense.
[05:02] <babbageclunk> had a couple of other questions, the rest of your suggestions make sense.
[05:07] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: let me know if you want to HO or whatever
[05:13] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, can we? in 1:1?
[05:14] <wallyworld> ok
[05:54] <axw> jam: are you able (allowed?) to add lp:~axwalk ssh keys to the GUI MAAS box, so I can sshuttle?
[05:55] <jam> axw: added: 2017-11-15 00:54:50,190 INFO Authorized key ['2048', 'SHA256:eVZBwvL1gnylHvyYS2+SAxyCXp1YKNVkZHA1otEtvuc'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>'(RSA)']
[05:55] <jam> and some others
[05:55] <axw> jam: thanks
[06:15] <jam> wallyworld: axw: I just saw "unit-blah-0: juju.worker.uniter.remotestate update status timer triggered" does that have to do with CMR or is the 'remotestate' there just the fact that state is on the controller
[06:15] <jam> I'm trying to figure out what 'remotestate' has to do with a local charm and no CMR involved.
[06:15] <jam> but maybe i'm misreading something
[06:16] <wallyworld> jam: remotestate refers to the other side of the relation
[06:16] <wallyworld> that term existed before cmr
[06:16] <wallyworld> IIANM
[06:19] <axw> jam wallyworld: not quite. remotestate is about what's in the state db
[06:19] <axw> vs. local state, which is what the unit has done to date
[06:19] <axw> the unit reconciles local state with remote
[06:19] <axw> uniter*
[06:20] <wallyworld> ah right, yes
[06:20] <axw> but yeah, nothing to do with CMR
[06:20] <wallyworld> i was thinking of "remote unit"
[06:20] <wallyworld> and remote unit data
[06:24] <jam> axw: has your $ vs \$ been landed?
[06:24] <jam> axw: I was testing anastasiamac's patch on action debug-hooks and thinking that maybe the "failed" values are because that was missing.
[06:24] <axw> jam: yeah it has
[06:24] <axw> jam: what failed values?
[06:25] <jam> axw: you can hook into an action request, but you exit 0 and it reports "failed" as the action result
[06:26] <axw> jam: yeah, if my commit's not in the branch, that would explain it
[06:26] <jam> I'll try rebuilding merging dev and see if that changes
[06:26] <axw> jam: hm, anastasiamac's branch does have it
[06:29] <jam> axw: ok, I think its because you have to actually run the action and have it report back something, vs just the return code
[06:30] <jam> doing ./actions/ping and then exit seemed to give me a completed value
[06:30] <axw> okey dokey
[06:30] <axw> seems a little backwards maybe
[06:31] <axw> jam: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8082 fixes the MAAS issue, QA'd on jujugui MAAS
[06:31] <axw> jam: could you please take a look?
[06:31] <axw> I'm taking the kids to martial arts shortly, will be back in a couple of hours
[06:33] <jam> looking
[06:35] <jam> axw: does your patch break "juju deploy --to zone=" ?
[06:35] <jam> or is that being resolved in the value that is passed into StartInstance ?
[06:35] <axw> jam: shouldn't, that's covered by DeriveAvailabilityZones
[06:35] <axw> I'll verify that when I get back
[06:36] <jam> axw: it seems overbroad to turn all provisioning failures into an AZ failure
[08:24] <jam> axw: had a question about leases an 2.2 and "juju models" not sure if you have context, but when I'm done with standup, I'd like to chat a bit
[08:43] <jam> axw: your patch effectively deals with bug #1706462 doesn't it?
[08:43] <mup> Bug #1706462: juju tries to acquire machines in specific zones even when no zone placement directive is specified <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by ecjones> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1706462>
[10:14] <wpk> externalreality: have you been changing configuration on jujugui maas recently?
[10:15] <externalreality> Yes, I have changed the configuration of 2 machines nuc.8 and nuc.7 I think the machines are called. Generally, I changed them to have 3 partition 1 mounted as root and 2 configured to Raid0 for reproduction of a bug
[10:15] <externalreality> No other node was changed
[10:17] <externalreality> I have also modified tags
[10:17] <externalreality> wpk, have a broken something you were doing?
[10:17] <externalreality> These changes were made a few days ago.
[10:27] <externalreality> wpk, Is everything ok?
[10:32] <wpk> externalreality: I'm getting weird bootstrap error
[10:32] <wpk> 11:15:46 ERROR juju.cmd.juju.commands bootstrap.go:515 failed to bootstrap model: cannot start bootstrap instance: cannot run instances: cannot run instance: No available machine matches constraints: [('zone', ['azone']), ('mem', ['3584']), ('agent_name', ['a5bd9766-22fa-4d81-8748-c719f85fd1cb'])] (resolved to "mem=3584.0 zone=azone")
[10:32] <wpk> and I wonder if that's something I broke
[20:51] <balloons> can I get a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8086? wallyworld, thumper, this is the second piece, patches
[20:53] <babbageclunk> balloons: won't this monkey with our working copies when we build using the makefile?
[20:54] <balloons> babbageclunk, it will indeed. comments welcome.. I had it as a seperate makefile target at one point. I monkeyed with it a bunch, but figured I'd just toss out the PR and see what people think
[20:57] <babbageclunk> balloons: for one thing, it will mean that mgo and other patched packages are always dirty after a build, so make godeps will fail.
[20:59] <wpk> 1. it won't work if there are no patches
[20:59] <balloons> yes, godeps will fail
[21:00] <wpk> 2. I'd make it a separate target, with 'undo' (-R) option
[21:00] <babbageclunk> balloons: We could mitigate that by having something to unapply the patches? But that seems risky - what if someone was making a change to the package?
[21:00] <wpk> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8084 anyone? (for rc1)
[21:01] <balloons> we could have a 'release-build' target. For the idea of rollback is also fine. patch supports reversing
[21:02] <babbageclunk> balloons: I like release-build
[21:03] <babbageclunk> balloons: I guess as we get more patches (I didn't realise there were so many now!) the divergence of behaviour between patched and unpatched juju might be a problem.
[21:08] <babbageclunk> (for devs doing local testing, I mean)
[21:13] <balloons> that's why I fell on the side off being heavy handed with always building them
[21:14] <balloons> and to make you feel the pain a little I guess so we get a better solution :-)
[21:14] <balloons> but honestly it could be annoying to have your sources mucked with
[21:18] <babbageclunk> yeah, I think we really need to carve out some time to implement the fork support in godeps.
[21:19] <babbageclunk> One of the patches is against a package where the last commit was in April 2015
[21:20] <babbageclunk> Or in that case we should maybe just fork it and actually update the imports.
[21:23] <balloons> babbageclunk, well, I was pushing for moving to deps, which I think folks are aligned as a long-term vision to do
[21:24] <babbageclunk> oh, I missed that - presumably it supports forking without changing imports? <reads up on deps>
[21:25] <babbageclunk> ugh, too many go packages with variations on the name dep
[21:25] <babbageclunk> which I guess shows that there's a problem
[21:26] <babbageclunk> balloons: do you mean https://github.com/golang/dep?
[21:27] <balloons> babbageclunk, aye
[21:27] <babbageclunk> cool, thanks
[21:29] <balloons> so it sounds like everyone is in favor of wpk's suggestions then. I'll just propose them
[21:29] <balloons> well your's too babbageclunk.. aka, release-build, and an 'undo'
[21:30] <babbageclunk> balloons: thanks! wpk can have the glory. :)
[22:01] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: how are they hangin' ?
[22:03] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: still making those changes we discussed yesterday.
[22:03] <wallyworld> ok, let me know if you get blocked so we can land today
[22:11] <hml> wallyworld: do you have a few minutes for an HO?
[22:12] <wallyworld> hml: sure
[22:12] <wallyworld> standup one
[22:12] <hml> wallyworld: on my way
[22:15] <balloons> axw, any idea on http://qa.jujucharms.com/releases/5946/job/add-cloud-vsphere/attempt/1298#highlight?
[22:18] <wpk> babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8084 ?
[22:18] <babbageclunk> wpk: sure
[22:19] <wpk> tx
[22:33] <babbageclunk> wpk: A couple of comments, but approved
[22:39] <wallyworld> hml: i just re-read that bug in more detail - he makes the point that the dasjboard download is for Ubuntu deployed openstacks, and that the openrc stuff is generic. it probably is worth considering, but i'll move the bug to a 2.3.x milestone
[22:46] <wallyworld> thumper: fyi, i created  2.3.1 milestone for things which miss the 2.3.0 cut
[22:47] <thumper> ta
[22:48] <wallyworld> thumper: moved one bug off the rc1 milestone due to churn in requirements and that it is more a micro feature; no need to rush a fix and regret it later
[22:48] <thumper> ack
[22:49] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: making LookupConstraint.IndexIds return the stream as well...
[22:49] <wallyworld> ok i think :-)
[22:49] <thumper> wallyworld: when did we change the apiserver to connect to itself rather than a random other one>?
[22:49] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: would it make more sense to have the interface have .Streams() and .IndexId(stream string)?
[22:50] <wallyworld> thumper: what's the context of the connection?
[22:50] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: maybe, i'd need to look at the code
[22:50] <thumper> apiservers would get wedged during upgrade as they tried to connect to a different server
[22:50] <thumper> and got told "sodd off, I'm upgrading"
[22:50] <thumper> but it meant that they couldn't upgrade
[22:50] <wallyworld> oh dear
[22:51] <wallyworld> um, i can't recall tbh
[22:51] <wallyworld> i rings a bell though
[22:51] <wallyworld> not sure if 2.1.x or 2.2.x
[22:52] <wpk> babbageclunk: thanks, fixd
[22:53] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: so IndexIds() is called in one spot inside GetProductsPath() - do we need the stream there?
[22:54] <babbageclunk> wpk - you should name the error return so that the if err refers to that one. Otherwise there's a case where the err that the defer sees is nil even though the func is returning an error.
[22:55] <babbageclunk> wpk: that might not be very clear.
[22:56] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: we need it there (or somewhere around there) so we can make the mirror content id depended on the stream.
[22:57] <wallyworld> yeah figured as much, i just didn't see any reference to the mirror data near the call site, but i'm not 100% familiar with the code detail
[23:03] <babbageclunk> wpk: added a (hopefully) clearer explanation on the PR
[23:03] <babbageclunk> wpk: does it make sense?
[23:06] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I'll do it the way we talked about for now.
[23:07] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: whatever works :-)
[23:24] <wpk> babbageclunk: .. and that's why I wanted to avoid conditional defer :P
[23:24] <babbageclunk> wpk: I mean, you could have said that. :)
[23:25] <wpk> babbageclunk: I won't make it for rc1, but I will have that in mind (it's only cosmetic, as the device will be eventually cleaned when the machine is removed)
[23:26] <babbageclunk> wpk: ah, ok
[23:26] <wpk> the fact that { foo, bar := baz() } shadows outside scope bar is one of the few things I hate
[23:26] <wpk> babbageclunk: nothing will leak
[23:27] <babbageclunk> wpk: yeah, scoping stuff can be pretty subtle and annoying.
[23:41] <hml> wallyworld: agreed, openrc is more generic - though missing important info potentially
[23:41] <wallyworld> hml: yeah, we can prompt for missing if needed
[23:41] <hml> wallyworld: just needs to be thought out. :-)
[23:41] <wallyworld> yup
[23:45] <axw> jam: sorry, I saw your message about chatting yesterday after I got back, but then got distracted. can chat today if you still want to.
[23:45] <axw> jam: my patch does not address https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1706462 AFAICT
[23:45] <mup> Bug #1706462: juju tries to acquire machines in specific zones even when no zone placement directive is specified <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by ecjones> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1706462>
[23:51] <axw> balloons: no idea. braixen/vcenter seems to intermittently shit itself, and I don't know why


[03:52] <mup> Issue operator#908 opened: More clearly document which exceptions are raised <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/908>
[16:43] <mup> Issue operator#909 opened: Operator framework locking .unit-state.db breaking charmhelpers kv() functionality <Created by dparv> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/909>


[05:36] <KombuchaKip> Hey guys. Check out the video on Ubuntu a member of our Vancouver LoCo just created. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFBKWMST4Q
[05:38] <wmat> nice work
[06:29] <KombuchaKip> wmat: =)


[00:27] <bomber> helo folks..
[00:27] <bomber> does anyone know why kubuntu at bootup always has the volume at 40%
[00:28] <bomber> it used to save the volume level and it would be whatever you had it at last..
[00:40] <DarthFrog> What on earth is going on with FlootBotK3?
[00:41] <Unit193> It thinks there is a netsplit (Or something like that)
[00:42] <OutOfControl> Unit193: Wouldn't it show .net .split then?
[00:42] <Unit193> No
[00:42] <OutOfControl> Ah
[00:42] <Unit193> Offtopic
[01:09] <caesar_> is there an option to see desktop icons
[01:09] <caesar_> i have stuff on my desktop but it is blank
[01:19] <OutOfControl> !patience caesar_
[01:19] <OutOfControl> !patience
[01:19] <OutOfControl> caesar_: ^^
[01:19] <caesar_> ty
[01:20] <caesar_> OutOfControl: can you see icons on your desktop?
[01:20] <caesar_> because mine has been blank since out-the-box
[01:20]  * OutOfControl is sadly using Win atm as his Ubuntu machine is broken
[01:24] <Snowhog> caesar_: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[01:26] <caesar_> Snowhog: 11.10
[01:26] <lynxgeeknyc> hello people
[01:26] <lynxgeeknyc> can someone help me out plz?
[01:26] <lynxgeeknyc> have a quick question about gnome 3.2...  The default is Desktop.
[01:27] <lynxgeeknyc> how can I downgrade to Gnome 2.9?
[01:28] <lynxgeeknyc> does anyone know?
[01:28] <caesar_> Snowhog: i havn't changed anything as far as desktop layout
[01:28] <caesar_> layout is desktop
[01:28] <Snowhog> caesar_: What desktop icons are you believing/wanting to see?
[01:30] <caesar_> Snowhog: i have about 10 folders, a handful of jpg's and zip files.. i would like to see everything that i save to the desktop
[01:30] <lynxgeeknyc> anyone else talking? Does anyone know how to downgrade to Gnome 2.9
[01:30] <lynxgeeknyc> ?
[01:31] <Snowhog> lynxgeeknyc: You are aware, that you are asking a "Ubuntu" question in the "Kubuntu" support channel?
[01:32] <claydoh> caesar_: you can changr yhe default from desktop to 'folder view'  which will make it like the classic desktop with icons and folders, et
[01:32] <lynxgeeknyc> lol I am. But I am running Kubuntu and have Gnome installed as well :-p
[01:32] <Snowhog> hey claydoh!
[01:33] <claydoh> lynxgeeknyc: but still, they would know more about it in the ubuntu channels probably
[01:33] <claydoh> hi Snowhog !
[01:33] <lynxgeeknyc> ok :)
[01:33] <caesar_> Snowhog: nice.. that's exactly how i wanted it
[01:34] <Snowhog> caesar_: Thanks goes to claydoh. ;?
[01:34] <Snowhog> *;)
[01:34] <claydoh> :P
[01:34] <caesar_> whoops
[01:34] <claydoh> its all good
[01:35] <Snowhog> caesar_: It's all good though. Help is help.
[01:35] <caesar_> ;)
[01:37] <caesar_> one more ques: can someone help me with getting usb devices to display in a virtual machine
[01:38] <claydoh> caesar_: virtualbox or soemthing else?
[01:38] <caesar_> vbox of course
[01:39] <claydoh> tho that would be ot for here, if you use vb, then you need to have the version installed from their site the repo (open) version  does not have that
[01:39] <claydoh> there are tutorials there on it, it isn
[01:39] <claydoh> t hard but takes a few stes that i cannot remember
[01:39] <caesar_> i got the one from there site
[01:40] <claydoh> theyt have a faq or wiki or forum post for it on their site
[01:41] <caesar_> checking it out now
[01:47] <atvr> i need help, i think i have screwed up something, i have installed the cairo dock in 11.10, and i have right click the original task bar to make it disapeare, and now i want it back because i need it to select my wifi, do you know how can i do that
[01:49] <Snowhog> I see that the bots have finally settled down.
[01:50] <claydoh> atvr: depending on   your KDE version, right-click on the desktop and select "add panel" then 'default panel"
[01:50] <atvr> claydoh, i cant because my desktop has disapeard, its all black but i have the cairo dock at bottom
[01:52] <claydoh> cairo dock? in Kubuntu?  am not familiar with it
[01:53] <atvr> claydoh, yeah i am not too.... if i could a would get back to the original onnnnne but i dont know how
[01:53] <claydoh> have    tyou tried rebooting?
[01:53] <atvr> claydoh, yes
[01:53] <atvr> claydoh, the desktop is still the same
[01:54] <claydoh> hmm i dunno
[01:54] <claydoh> other than uninstalling it from the command line (from an alt-f1 terminal)
[01:54] <atvr> what would be the command
[01:55] <claydoh> sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[01:55] <atvr> package name :: cairo-dock ??
[01:56] <atvr> ok i have removed
[01:56] <claydoh> sounds  right
[01:57] <atvr> so i will reboot to see, and if it dont work i will boot in 2d
[01:57] <claydoh> but also remove cairo-dock-core
[01:57] <claydoh> atvr: and cairo-dock-data
[01:57] <claydoh> the first package is a so called meta-package
[01:58] <atvr> thanks
[01:58] <atvr> all file has been deleted now
[01:58] <atvr> so i reboot ??
[01:59] <claydoh> you can, if  you cannot log out
[01:59] <atvr> i will logout :)
[02:01] <mib_> hi, can someone tell me please if the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is KDE v. Unity/GNome and some applications that are developed by the folks making each of those?
[02:01] <claydoh> mib_:  yes and no
[02:02] <claydoh> ubuntu have a lot more in-house stuff, where kubuntu is mostly a stock kde
[02:02] <claydoh> with some exceptions
[02:02] <atvr> claydoh, now lol, i dont have cairo but i dont have task bar and desktop, there is nothing on the screen but a black desktop
[02:03] <atvr> i have system setting open, terminal and xchat, i cant do anything
[02:04] <claydoh> hmmm
[02:05] <mib_> claydoh: so in a way, the two really are close but separate distros. ok, thanks. what made me ask this is that I think kubuntu 11.10 has openoffice.org whereas ubuntu 11.10 has libreoffice. I'm just doing some searching as we speak to confirm this.
[02:05] <claydoh> mib_: kubuntu has libreoffice
[02:06] <claydoh> mib_: and kubuntu is pretty much independent on the desktop side
[02:07] <claydoh> atvr: i dont have any ideas bout the desktop
[02:07] <mib_> claydoh: oh. good to hear. less differences for me then. i want to give kubuntu a spin because i don't like where the whole unity/gnome 3 thing is going. I trust kde is less about hiding options and controls from users?
[02:07] <claydoh> but try this: does alt-f2 bring up the krunner?
[02:08] <atvr> claydoh, it bring up something to search in it
[02:08] <claydoh> mib_: more or less, tho old die hard kde3 users would disagree on the hiding/changes stuff :D
[02:09] <claydoh> atvr: type in: plasma-desktop
[02:09] <claydoh> to see if that will start the window manager
[02:09] <mib_> claydoh: well i never used that one, so that'll be fine. ha. thanks, i'll go d/l the iso.
[02:09] <Snowhog> claydoh: atvr - but it is true that Ubuntu (Gnome 3.x) has gone along way towards making 'customization' by the user very hard to do.
[02:10] <claydoh> mib_: you can install kde along side ubuntu by installing 'kubuntu-desktop'
[02:10] <atvr> claydoh, i think its already running, but with some setting disabled
[02:10] <mib_> claydoh: you don't say. and that will make it appear in the DE list? let me try that...
[02:11] <claydoh> Snowhog: I dunno, die hard kde dude, never strayed from the general gnome/unity defualts when i use em
[02:11] <Snowhog> hehe.
[02:11] <claydoh> mib_: at the login window, you can choose what session to run
[02:12] <claydoh> Snowhog: but I do think that gnome3 may be more customizable atm
[02:12] <claydoh> but not ina user freindly way
[02:12] <mib_> it will take 670 MB of space. I think i might as well d/l the live iso for a "clean" enviro. or both. yeah.
[02:13] <mib_> i'm sorry, but when an environment makes you add a ppa to install a second control program that looks very close to the first but has a critical missing function that's not user friendly.
[02:13] <mib_> speaking of which, does kubuntu also have zeitgeist?
[02:14] <claydoh> mib_: if it is in the repos you can install it
[02:14] <mib_> oh no no, i don't want it.
[02:15] <mib_> that's just another plus for ku in my book
[02:16] <claydoh> atvr: try this: kquitapp plasma-desktop
[02:16] <claydoh> followed by : plasma-desktop
[02:16] <claydoh> afterthat, my skills are depleted :(
[02:16] <atvr> vincent@ubuntu:~$ kquitapp plasma-desktop
[02:16] <atvr> unnamed app(1913): "Application plasma-desktop could not be found using service org.kde.plasma-desktop and path /MainApplication."
[02:17] <claydoh> do that from alt-f2, sorry
[02:18] <atvr> claydoh, i thinks its done
[02:18] <claydoh> work?
[02:18] <atvr> no
[02:18] <atvr> nothing hapenned
[02:21] <limac> hi how can i make the top bar with the file, edit, etc. appear in kdevelop? its not appearing for some reason in KDE but it was in unity
[02:28] <Snowhog> limac: It's the only app that behaves this way?
[02:29] <MaxHR> Hello, can anybody tell me how to get rekonq and muon to be ok with security certs?  They are telling me the certs are no good
[02:29] <MaxHR> "The following pieces of software cannot be authenticated."
[02:29] <MaxHR> and I get a message from rekonq about certs can't be verified
[02:29] <MaxHR> running kubu 11.10
[02:29] <MaxHR> Firefox doesn't have this issue with same websites
[02:30] <Snowhog> MaxHR: If you are selecting/installing packages from the default repositories, and using Muon, you won't get this. Are you trying to install a downloaded .deb package?
[02:31] <MaxHR> Snowhog: this is from the default repos... I am using an unaltered install, I made no changes to the repos
[02:32] <limac> Snowhog: yes i think so
[02:32] <limac> Snowhog: the others seems to be fine
[02:38] <Snowhog> limac: Did kdevelop always behave this way, or did it happen recently?
[02:39] <limac> it recently happened
[02:39] <limac> i googled this problem up...but I didn;t really find any useful results
[02:40] <limac> but anyways it is fine for now...i'll just work on unity.
[02:40] <Snowhog> MaxHR: Sound like you don't have the Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key installed. When you launch Muon and go to Settings > Configure Software Sources > Authentication, what is there?
[02:48] <caesar_> what directory would an external hard drive show up in
[02:50] <Snowhog> caesar_: It should be mounted in /media
[02:53] <caesar_> Snowhog: got it
[02:55] <caesar_> now if i could only get it to show up in my vbox
[02:55] <caesar_> i added the vbox user/group
[02:55] <caesar_> i can now see it in the vbox settings and when i enable it...
[02:56] <caesar_> it shows up in win7 and gives me error that it could not install drivers
[02:57] <Snowhog> caesar_: What file system is the external HDD formated to?
[02:57] <MaxHR> Snowhog: ok, checking that now
[02:58] <caesar_> Snowhog: i believe NTFS but i'm not sure
[02:59] <MaxHR> Snowhog: there are 3 keys there (Ubuntu Archive, CD Image, and Extras Automatic Signing Key)
[03:00] <Snowhog> MaxHR: Hmm. Are you getting the warning about certs on any package you attempt to install via Muon?
[03:02] <caesar_> Snowhog: i can't find an option to format
[03:02] <caesar_> or to see how it is formatted
[03:04] <MaxHR> Snowhog: no, packages with the little blue kubuntu icon next to them install with no warning... for some reason I also get a warning in rekonq on some secure websites
[03:05] <Snowhog> MaxHR: Well, as to warning in Reqonk "on some secure websites", that could simply be do to the fact that the sites certificates are in fact, expired. Believe me, that is not uncommon!!
[03:08] <MaxHR> Snowhog: those sites have no problem on Firefox... they include my credit card and bank sites
[03:09] <Snowhog> MaxHR: In Reqonk, do you have cookies enabled?
[03:09] <MaxHR> yes
[03:10] <caesar_> i get this error in Windoze: This device cannot start (Code 10)
[03:10] <Snowhog> MaxHR: Reqonk has the ability to 'spoof' itself to site, making them think it's another browser. Have you tried changing the setting so that Reqonk reports itself as another browser - say Firefox?
[03:12] <MaxHR> Snowhog: I will try that later, thx, have to leave now, will ask again tomorrow
[03:22] <Snowhog> caesar_: You should verify that the file system on the external HDD. If it isn't one that Windows 7 can recognize/read, .....
[03:22] <Snowhog> *waht
[03:22] <Snowhog> **what
[03:23] <caesar_> Snowhog: i'm almost 100% positive it is NTFS, which is standard for window7
[03:23] <caesar_> err windows all together
[03:23] <caesar_> i'm new to kubuntu so i don't know where everything is located yet
[03:24] <caesar_> when could one get options to format drives
[03:24] <caesar_> where*
[03:24] <caesar_> or to actually see how the drive is formatted.. it's not in the properties from what i can see
[03:29] <hanasaki> why is syslinux installed by default yet grub2 is used?
[03:30] <caesar_> Snowhog: apparently i need some extension pack for vbox
[04:44] <atvr> does anyone know if its possible to reset plasma to its original (default) setting in command line
[04:46] <atvr> because i have accidently disabled my task bar and desktop and now i cant enable it back :S
[05:09] <atvr> almoxarife, im here
[05:10] <almoxarife> atvr: what happened?
[05:10] <atvr> i have installed the cairo-dock
[05:10] <almoxarife> ok
[05:11] <almoxarife> atvr: I don't think cairo breaks plasma
[05:11] <atvr> then the orignal taskbar was over the cairo dock, so i have disabled it, and there was a widget or something to switch between desktop i have also disable that, so i was having only cairo-dock and the desktop is now black
[05:11] <atvr> so i have deleted cairo-dock in terminal
[05:12] <atvr> then now my desktop is just black
[05:12] <almoxarife> so you are left with nothing?
[05:12] <atvr> almoxarife, yes
[05:12] <almoxarife> one should not delete so much
[05:12] <atvr> almoxarife, is this fixable
[05:13] <atvr> almoxarife, private me please
[05:13] <almoxarife> atvr: everything is fixable
[05:13] <almoxarife> almost
[05:13] <atvr> :)
[05:14] <almoxarife> I am guessing getting to a terminal is not an option?
[05:14] <atvr> almoxarife, yes i can open terminal
[05:15] <almoxarife> type cairo-desktop -c
[05:15] <atvr> almoxarife, cairo-desktop: command not found
[05:15] <atvr> almoxarife, cairo is deleted
[05:16] <almoxarife> atvr: and you did that because?
[05:16] <atvr> almoxarife, i mean i have deleted
[05:16] <atvr> almoxarife, i was thinking that if i delete it would bring back the setting
[05:16] <atvr> some one told me to do that...
[05:18] <almoxarife> atvr: I guess it does not bring it back? so, next time don't listen to that nick and now you know deleting does not bring back stuff, mostly, sometimes it might, but not if its what you wanted and its already deleted
[05:18] <atvr> almoxarife, ok thanks for that advice :)
[06:52]  * boobear is away: Gone away for now
[07:00] <claydoh> atvr: have you had   your plasma problem fixed yet? I had to leave, a friend is in the hospital
[07:01] <claydoh> and do note we did't 'delete' anything, we uninstalled something added :D
[08:31] <cool0> Всем ку есть кто ?)
[08:31] <Unit193> !ru | cool0
[11:40] <thorgt> hello guys!
[11:41] <thorgt> I'm trying to create a pckage for Netrunner to let them test my folderview patch.
[11:41] <thorgt> While doing that, I found out there's no "Click to vew folders" option!
[11:41] <thorgt> Why has it been removed?
[12:18] <ivano> #kubuntu-it
[12:19] <ivano> salve , ma in kubuntu 11.10 non c'e' un parent controll?
[12:19] <ivano> come c'e'ra su ubuntu 10.10
[12:21] <ivano> azz nessuno risponde?
[12:23] <who_me> ivano: probably because not many people here speak italian. While I do understand it rather well, maybe people in the ubuntu-it chan could help you
[12:25] <ivano> ok grazie
[12:25] <ivano> #ubuntu-it
[12:26] <who_me> ivano: also there is this page, but it's in english: http://www.kubuntuguide.info/index.php/Oneiric#Timekpr_.28Parental_controls.29
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:39] <Farsaj> Hello!How i can install freepascal 2.6.0 under ubuntu?
[14:40] <ManDay> Catfish, Beagle, Siri, what the hell is that mess of search programs, if you don't mind...
[14:40] <Farsaj> When I'am doanload deb packages from oficial site i've goe problem with dependies
[14:40] <ManDay> Can anyone tell me what program I need on Kubuntu to actually search through ODT documents
[14:41] <ManDay> It's SAID to work out of the box - SIRI is supposed to search through ODT, but where the hell can I use it?
[14:47] <Peace-> ManDay:  for file in FOLDER/*.odt ; do grep -i SEARCHWORD $file && echo $file ; done
[14:48] <Peace-> ManDay:  for file in FOLDER/*.odt ; do grep -i SEARCHWORD "$file" && echo "$file" ; done
[14:48] <Peace-> should work
[14:49] <Peace-> mmm
[14:50] <Peace-> ManDay:  for file in FOLDER/*.odt ; do cat  "$file" | grep -I WORRD && echo "$file" ; done
[14:50] <Peace-> try these
[14:50] <Peace-> omg
[14:50] <Peace-> ManDay:  for file in FOLDER/*.odt ; do cat  "$file" | grep -i  WORRD && echo "$file" ; done
[14:50] <Peace-> this one
[15:05] <ManDay> what
[15:05] <ManDay> thats absolutly not working
[15:05] <ManDay> odt is zipped binary
[15:08] <Mamarok> ManDay: not at all, it is an open document text file
[15:19] <Linkmaster> I did something stupid(no surprise from me), and was trying to install wicd-kde for my system. Well, it didn't work at all, for some unsure reason to me, and I decided to remove it. I typed 'sudo apt-get purge wicd-kde' and hit enter, and went to another item, and went back and noticed that it deleted: "kubuntu-desktop* knetworkmanager* wicd-kde wpasupplicant" and one or two other things, I don't have the computer with me at th
[15:19] <Linkmaster> will give an explanation on how to install wicd-kde from scratch so that I can do that later today?
[15:24] <EvilResistance> did you try just doing apt-get remove wicd-kde?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, in the meantime just install kubuntu-desktop again. Wicd-kde is flaky , it works well with some wifi chips but not at all with others, but i does take some configuring depending on your setup/connection and encryption WEP or WPA , to set up correctly
[15:25] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: the wireless chip should be good, since I didn't have to do any work to get it to work. my problem is, I have *no* internet connection, I think I fubared it
[15:25] <Linkmaster> Would I be better off to just reinstall it? (I have seperate / and /home partitions
[15:25] <ManDay> Does anyone know why LibreOffice opens and edits all my documents with GREY text, out of the box?!?
[15:25] <ManDay> That's supposed to be black!
[15:26] <ManDay> Mamarok: odt is a zip
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, make sure you install network-manager , or you'll have no wifi indication at all
[15:26] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: could you direct me to the proper .deb file for it?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, no deb file needed , just use your package manager
[15:27] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: remember, I have no connection at all, it completely got rid of all networking on my computer Dx
[15:28] <BluesKaj> if you are connected to the internet by ethernet
[15:28] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: that was the first thing I tried, it still wouldn't connect
[15:29] <ManDay> Does anyone know why LibreOffice opens and edits all my documents with GREY text instead of BLACK, as it's supposed to be?!
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, ok try agin , sudo dhclient eth0
[15:30] <BluesKaj> ManDay, perhaps #openoffice chat might help you
[15:30]  * Linkmaster doesn't have the computer handy, he just needed a link he could use to build wicd from scratch
[15:30] <Linkmaster> Maybe I should reinstall? since / and /home are separate...
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, do you have access or not ?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> to the pc
[15:31] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: no
[15:31] <Linkmaster> I will in a few hours, I'm in class
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, sudo dhclient eth0 when you have access
[15:33] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I'll do so. do you also have any sites I can pursue? I looked on KFN, but didn't find anything concrete..
[15:33] <BluesKaj> depends on your wifi chip
[15:34] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I believe its a realtek..I'm not sure, my friends computer doesn't have terminal abilities to find out
[15:35] <Linkmaster> What I do know is, installing the regular i386 11.10 desktop works out of the box, no video/graphic/sound/wireless issues at all. amazing install
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, always set the stage , explain the siyuation before asking questions about networking or any other subject ..trying to fix a computer without access is confusing due to ppl assuming that you are talking about the pc you are on
[15:47] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: yeah, I tried making that clear in my opening question, I apologize ):
[15:50] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, np :) ...let us know when you have proper access, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[15:55] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: Thank you for your help...I browsed around online, and got a couple .deb's for ubuntu 11.10, "wicd-daemon_1.7.0+ds1-6_all.deb" and "wicd-kde_0.2.1-5_i386.deb"...I also got the GTK one as well, on the offchance the KDE one doesn't work, which would be a shame
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, maybe network-manager will work out of the box with the right config , no need for wicd.
[15:57] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: it does work out of the box, but it doesn't quite suit the evil purpose I need to put it to....>.>
[16:05] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, evil purpose ...piggyback on an open channel on neigbour's router ?
[16:05] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: nah, spoofing my school network, knetwormanager times it out
[16:06] <Linkmaster> class ended, so I have to go, I'll ping you when I get back
[16:08] <BluesKaj> I warned a neighbour about his router being exposed to piggybacking ...several ppl were using it and he wasn't aware that the cable co that set it up didn't setup wpa or wep or anything in terms of security
[16:10] <BluesKaj> I showed him with my laptop how I had access to all the documents on his vista machine by just guessing his password
[16:29] <calonso> hola
[16:36] <Sharpshooter> how can I change the Amarok Themes ?
[16:44] <Sharpshooter> how can I change the Amarok Themes ?
[16:51] <Tm_T> Sharpshooter: what themes?
[16:52] <Tm_T> Sharpshooter: there's no "theming" on Amarok other than choosing between the size of controls and placement of playlist and so on
[16:54] <Sharpshooter> Tm_T, I got it from kde-look.org http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=111888&file1=111888-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=nipseb
[16:57] <Sharpshooter> Tm_T,  ?
[16:58] <Tm_T> Sharpshooter: read the comments in http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/nipseb?content=111888
[16:58] <Sharpshooter> Tm_T,  thankx :)
[17:59] <cablop> can i run kubuntu 11.10 with 384MB RAM only?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> cablop, not enough memory , xubuntu would probly run fine tho
[18:01] <BluesKaj> !xfce | cablop
[18:02] <BluesKaj> cablop, the minimum RAM for kubuntu is probly over 800mb - 1gig
[18:03] <cablop> sigh
[18:03] <cablop> willing to run it on a VM
[18:03] <cablop> but currently the machine has only 1 GB RAM
[18:09] <ubuntu_> nabend @ll
[20:36] <hellslinger> hi, does anyone know where the samba configuration for unity/gnome are stored? they're conflicting with the ones I'm configuring with KDE and I want to eliminate them
[20:42] <sebastian> #ubuntu
[20:42] <BluesKaj> hellslinger, try system-config-samba in the repos , it's gui for samba configuration
[20:43] <BluesKaj> hellslinger, , also if you have chosen kde then unity can be removed
[20:47] <hellslinger> BluesKaj: thanks, that utility is very useful
[20:48] <BluesKaj> hellslinger,  I've never used it :) ...strictly a kde guy all the way
[20:49] <BluesKaj> samba works for my connection to the windows pcs on our network , ssh and nfs for the linux pcs
[20:50] <hellslinger> BluesKaj: do you use smb shares? do you configure with Dolphin or /etc/smb.conf?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> hellslinger, the default is smb in dolphin , if choose the network folder option
[20:55] <hellslinger> BluesKaj:  network folder option? I'm interested in this
[21:01] <BluesKaj> hellslinger, open dolphin , under places on the left (usually) choose network then you'll see the options
[21:08] <Guest97997> hi ^.^
[21:09] <graft> hi, any kate users hereabouts?
[21:10] <graft> if so, do you know how to move files within kate?
[21:10] <hellslinger> I've never been able to do it
[21:10] <hellslinger> move files in kate, that is
[21:10] <graft> nuts
[21:12] <BluesKaj> graft kate is atext editor not afile manager
[21:13] <BluesKaj> graft, you move files in dolphin , or the terminal
[21:14] <graft> BluesKaj: sure, kate is a text editor, but editing multiple files is a key feature of kate
[21:14] <graft> BluesKaj: in the course of development you often have to create files, folders, move files to new places, etc. seems like an obvious feature for an IDE to include
[21:21] <BluesKaj> graft, i guess if you use the addressbar and copy text between instances , that could be amethos
[21:21] <BluesKaj> a method
[21:22] <lokifaer_> bonsoir
[21:26] <BluesKaj> lokifaer_, bonjour , c'est anglais ici ,
[21:27] <lokifaer_> sorry
[21:28] <BluesKaj>  no problem , if you have question , just ask
[21:28] <lokifaer_> yes I do
[21:29] <lokifaer_> I can't access to my shared files
[21:30] <lokifaer_> when I try it asks me user/pass
[21:30] <lokifaer_> I write it but it continues to ask me
[21:30] <lokifaer_> I don't understand why
[21:30] <lokifaer_> excuse me if my english is not very good ;-)
[21:31] <BluesKaj> lokifaer_,your english is fine ... shared files on your network I assume
[21:31] <lokifaer_> yes
[21:31] <lokifaer_> thank you :)
[21:33] <BluesKaj> one way that I use is to access ~/.ssh the clear the rsa , known_hosts , id rsa_pub and try again
[21:34] <BluesKaj> lokifaer_, ^
[21:34] <BluesKaj> it's abit "dirty" but it works
[21:36] <lokifaer___> hmm sorry
[21:36] <lokifaer___> so access to winxp is ok
[21:37] <lokifaer___> but nux to nux or xp to nux isn't
[21:37] <BluesKaj> lokifaer___, how are you accessing linux to linux
[21:38] <lokifaer___> and from A to A, the problem is the same !!
[21:38] <lokifaer___> with samba : smb://A
[21:38] <lokifaer___> on dolphin
[21:39] <lokifaer___> I see shared directories
[21:40] <lokifaer___> but when I want open one of them, I can't go through the identifaction request
[21:40] <lokifaer___> identification*
[21:42] <lokifaer___> have you any idea BluesKaj ?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> lokifaer___, I have access with sftp using ssh protocol , but smb doesn't work here either  ,,,strange
[21:46] <BluesKaj> lokifaer___, nfs works here as well
[21:48] <BluesKaj> lokifaer___,` not sure but , maybe samba has a bug
[21:51] <lokifaer> sorry the computer just crashed
[21:53] <lokifaer> BluesKaj: did I miss something ?
[21:59] <kjzz> !
[22:01] <lokifaer> good night everybody
[22:03] <BluesKaj> lokifaer, if you have vista or windows 7 , NFS will work better than samba http://wiki.wdlxtv.com/Sharing_from_Windows_7
[23:17] <gribouille> hi
[23:17] <gribouille> how can I use muon-notifier?
[23:18] <arado> good evening
[23:19] <Rabenklaue> hi, because of several instabilities in Xorg/intel drivers I had to switch to xorg-edgers-ppa, but after yesterdays update I'm unable to use the my touchpad (mouse). In systemsettings I'm told there are no such devices and Xorg.log does not show anything regarding synaptics.
[23:19] <Rabenklaue> /etc/X11 has changed completely (no Xorg.conf) and several new directories. I do not have any clue how to solve this.
[23:24] <arado> Rabenklaue, kann dir leider nicht behilflich sein. Schon bei ubuntuusers.de versucht?
[23:25] <gribouille> does muon use the systray?
[23:27] <arado> the systray should inform you about new packages
[23:28] <Rabenklaue> arado: Hier im IRC oder auf'm Forum?
[23:29] <arado> im forum der seite. für gewöhnlich erhält man dort schnell und freundlich hilfe
[23:29] <Rabenklaue> arado: Werd' ich versuchen, falls ich die nächste Zeit keine Lösung finde. Danke
[23:31] <gribouille> how can I get notify of updates with muon?
[23:34] <Rabenklaue> I think it's with the version of the xserver-xorg-input-* plugins - mouse is 1.7.1 and synaptics is 1.5.99, so it looks they missed the synaptics module for xorg.
[23:36] <arado> 257 people idling - not bad for a support chat
[23:38]  * w30 keeping fingers off keyboard so as to not be exposed as stupid; Not Idle
[23:38]  * w30 ha
[23:39] <arado> :)
[23:40] <arado> i did not say stupid


[06:07] <doctormo_> Hey BiosElement
[06:11] <BiosElement> Hey doctormo_
[06:12] <doctormo_> How goes commital?
[06:13] <BiosElement> Ahh, not too bad. Got some work done late last night  but somehow during a re-install I buggered bzr so I'm going to set things up again. Actually caught me in the middle of doing so.


[09:54] <zequence> OvenWerks: FYI, I turned your three lines about GCM vs dispcalgui into one line. Seems like that whole thing is one single change
[09:55] <zequence> Think that's correct, right?
[13:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: yes