[13:03] <sakrecoer> zequence: my installer crash bug also hapened with xubuntu so i don't think it was related to ardour.
[17:05] <zequence> sakrecoer: No, of course not. There's no ISO with ardour5
[17:06] <zequence> But, as I was trying to install the system to be able to update ardour and see the failure for myself, I realized installing Studio was not possible
[17:07] <zequence> The ISO should build today, without ardour (since I have removed it temporarily)
[17:07] <zequence> But, probably it will be uninstallable
[17:32] <sakrecoer> zequence: ok.. i didn't think of ardour 5 specifically, just mentioning that installing yakkety failed for me with both ubuntustudi iso and xubuntu iso, sam error...
[17:34] <sakrecoer> both had a weird issue with the DE: no buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons etc...
[17:34] <zequence> Well, it's good to know that it's a generic problem and therefore more eyes will be on it.
[17:35] <sakrecoer> :) yes
[17:36] <sakrecoer> i'm also really looking forward to the beta1 i must add
[17:38] <sakrecoer> which reminds me i need to confirm our participation to the release team...
[17:41] <zequence> I'm test building ardour with trebmuh's suggested change
[17:42] <zequence> If it's ok, I'll push it to Debian
[17:42] <zequence> (to the git repo, that is - someone else will need to upload)
[17:49] <trebmuh> zequence, you're a DM ?
[17:49] <trebmuh> (or a DD ?)
[17:50] <zequence> trebmuh: Debian Multimedia member. But, I only have upload rights to the git repos
[17:50] <zequence> Or, push rights that is. I can't create new repos
[17:51] <zequence> Ross is also a member.
[17:52] <zequence> So, technically, we do have some ability to make changes. Ross has been a lot more active on that end. I've probably only done one or two commits in a few years time.
[17:53] <zequence> I hardly have learned how the repos are set up, but there seems to be better docs now, and I've even found a new tool  - gbp
[17:53] <zequence> git commit && gbp buildpackage
[17:54] <zequence> Simple enough
[17:54] <zequence> Now my Atom CPU is suffering through the build..
[17:59] <trebmuh> ok
[18:22] <zequence> Actually, the Debian maint-guide is not bad, and the Policy docs are all there, and have been for a while, so there's plenty of docs for those who want to educate themselves on packaging.
[18:22]  * zequence will read those some day
[18:44] <trebmuh> I'm adding a +1 on that, those docs are really good, I learnt a lot from these
[18:57]  * zequence really should start using pbuilder on the 8-core instead. 1h 15min so far. If the builds fail, it will lead to tears.
[20:35] <zequence> Still building.  Will have to continue tomorrow.
[20:51] <zequence> Hehe, I typed the ardour.install file. Need to do it again. Oh, well. It can do it over night.
[20:51] <zequence> typoed*


[00:31] <mwhudson> do any of you guys maintain nux still?
[00:31] <mwhudson> it looks like it just needs to stop passing -Werror
[01:15] <callmepk> good morning
[01:37] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[01:38] <callmepk> morning duflu
[05:17] <jibel> hi all
[05:33] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:43] <duflu> Hi jibel and seb128
[05:49] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[05:50] <duflu> seb128, average to good today. You?
[05:53] <seb128> I'm alright
[06:05] <didrocks> good morning
[06:05] <luna_> morning
[06:07] <duflu> Morning didrocks and luna_
[06:13] <didrocks> hey luna_, duflu
[06:46] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:47] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:47] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:16] <marcustomlinson> morning diskdroppers
[07:18] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:18] <didrocks> after seb and his launchpaddid :)
[07:18] <marcustomlinson> morning didrockers
[07:28] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson
[07:29] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN
[07:53] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and marcustomlinson
[07:59] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu
[08:01] <Laney> yo
[08:01] <Laney> mwhudson: feel free to JFDI that I'd say
[08:05] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, Laney
[08:06] <Laney> ^/w 47
[08:06] <Laney> ah
[08:06] <Laney> AHHHH
[08:06] <Laney> AHHHHHHHHH
[08:06] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:14] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[08:25] <Laney> \o didrocks
[08:28] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:58] <mwhudson> Laney: i jf did it
[08:59] <mwhudson> (and it migrated even, amazing)
[08:59] <Laney> YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[08:59] <Laney> hey duflu
[09:34] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master 0c0e758 Marco Trevisan * pushed 28 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/OYY2
[09:34] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master 3130772 Jonas Ådahl src/backends/x11/ cm/meta-renderer-x11-cm.c cm/meta-renderer-x11-cm.h meta-stage-x11.c meta-stage-x11.h * stage-x11: Move view management to renderer * https://deb.li/3hiOC
[09:35] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master 63fc71f Jonas Ådahl src/backends/meta-screen-cast-stream-src.c * screen-cast-src: Notify about the stream being closed after dispatch * https://deb.li/v5Th
[09:35] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master a1bc2e0 Carlos Garnacho src/backends/x11/meta-seat-x11.c * backends/x11: Implement ClutterSeat::touch-mode for the X11 backend * https://deb.li/3o7Pc
[09:35] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master b425f11 Carlos Garnacho clutter/clutter/clutter-seat.c src/backends/native/meta-seat-native.c src/backends/native/meta-seat-native.h * backends/native: Drop external keyboard detection for ::touch-mode * https://deb.li/S7B7
[09:35] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master c211f7b Simon McVittie (16 files in 7 dirs) * New upstream version 3.36.2+12+gb425f1153 * https://deb.li/3bYKd
[09:35] <KGB-1> mutter signed tags 9638346 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.3-1ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 3.36.3-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3gS3F
[09:42] <Laney> \o\
[09:42] <Laney> early morning for you Trevinho!
[09:43] <Trevinho> eheh, well not too much :-D
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags abb45f0 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * mutter Debian release 3.36.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/a7my
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 6d9d9b6 Marco Trevisan * pushed 21 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3uYj4
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal fadfca2 Carlos Garnacho src/backends/meta-remote-desktop-session.c * backends: Ensure remote desktop dbus interface state * https://deb.li/rAHV
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 3daf912 Carlos Garnacho src/backends/meta-remote-desktop-session.c * backends: Make uniform checks on remote desktop input dbus methods * https://deb.li/3I2sg
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 36f5a0a Carlos Garnacho src/wayland/ meta-wayland-data-device.c meta-wayland-data-device.h * wayland: Send clipboard offers to all data devices from the same client * https://deb.li/MnbN
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 493aeb6 Carlos Garnacho src/wayland/ meta-wayland-data-device.c meta-wayland-data-device.h * wayland: Send primary offer to all data devices from the same client * https://deb.li/ikrUx
[10:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 6e6183e Jonas Ådahl src/backends/ meta-renderer.c meta-renderer.h x11/nested/meta-renderer-x11-nested.c * renderer: Change 'set_legacy_view()' to 'add_view()' * https://deb.li/fYJV
[10:14] <KGB-2> gnome-shell signed tags ad3719d Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.3-1ubuntu1_20.04.1 * gnome-shell Debian release 3.36.3-1ubuntu1~20.04.1 * https://deb.li/iW7Dx
[10:14] <Trevinho> gbp forgot some tags...
[11:50] <oSoMoN> seb128, do you reckon https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blobandconquer/1.11-dfsg+20-1.1ubuntu1/+build/19429052 is worth blindly retrying ? ("Build killed with signal TERM after 150 minutes of inactivity")
[12:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, it probably is, I clicked the button, let's see
[12:59] <seb128> oSoMoN, seems to be hanging on the retry :/
[13:03] <oSoMoN> darn
[13:04] <seb128> oSoMoN, https://github.com/alexdantas/zatacka.debian/pull/3 you fixed the build-depends but not the depends, I fixed the patch for Ubuntu but I can't push to your salsa branch, could you fix the mp there?
[13:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, zatacka only has "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}"
[13:10] <seb128> oSoMoN, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/345576849/zatacka_0.1.8-5_0.1.8-5.1.diff.gz
[13:10] <seb128> that's missing in the Vcs
[13:10] <seb128> so alright, your mp is fine, sorry for the false warning
[13:11] <seb128> mitya57, hey, do you know how the desktop is handled in gnome-flashback? I'm trying to understand bug #1882531
[13:14] <mitya57> seb128: gnome-flashback now handles the desktop itself. It is the new code, most likely just not translated to German yet.
[13:14] <mitya57> I think you can reassign it to gnome-flashback.
[13:15] <seb128> mitya57, can you reassign/comment?
[13:15] <seb128> or I can do it if you prefer
[13:15] <seb128> also do you know why it's being implemented there again rather than using the existing extension?
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-06-09
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun  9 13:30:12 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <kenvandine> o/
[13:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:30] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[13:31] <Laney> o\o\o\o\
[13:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> bug #1881811
[13:32] <hellsworth> o/
[13:32] <hellsworth> oh right just in time.. it's a super minor corner case but a real bug nonetheless
[13:32] <seb128> which has been nominated without waiting for the tag review
[13:33] <hellsworth> seb128: what do you mean? i added the incomming tags
[13:33] <seb128> the bug has lines for bionic/focal/groovy
[13:34] <seb128> which are unassigned by existing
[13:34] <hellsworth> oh just because it exists in all of them so i added all 3 incoming tags
[13:34] <seb128> the nomination process is usually that we add those lines when we accept the nomination
[13:34] <seb128> no
[13:34] <hellsworth> oh i see
[13:34] <seb128> someone did 'Target to series'
[13:34] <seb128> and added those series
[13:34] <hellsworth> that was me
[13:34] <seb128> k
[13:34] <hellsworth> ok sorry about that
[13:34] <seb128> no worry
[13:34] <seb128> so going back to the topic
[13:35] <hellsworth> k
[13:35] <seb128> it's existing in bionic already, had one report, is cosmetic and seems minor/corner case
[13:35] <seb128> I would vote wontfix
[13:35] <hellsworth> i agree
[13:35] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, the bug hasn't been confirmed upstream, did you intend to work on a fix yourself? if not, I'd say wontfix
[13:36] <hellsworth> i did not intend to work on it myself
[13:36] <seb128> k, so we have agreeemnt on wontfix
[13:36] <seb128> I will do that and delete the targetting, otherwise it will show up in our next section of targetted by not assigned bugs
[13:36] <hellsworth> i think i need some process discussion separately :)
[13:36] <hellsworth> ok thanks seb128
[13:36] <seb128> k, let's do that ehre after we are done with the meeting
[13:36] <seb128> or in query if you prefer
[13:37] <hellsworth> yes
[13:38] <seb128> that's it for incoming
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:38] <seb128> bug #1881094
[13:39] <seb128> k, so it's an oem request and they are on it
[13:40] <seb128> so I think nomination makes sense I'm just going to assign to Kai who submitted the patch
[13:40] <Laney> someone need to sponsor it or?
[13:41] <seb128> probably, I've added to my backlog
[13:41] <seb128> pulseaudio is busy atm, there is already another SRU in process so we need to clear that one off before
[13:42] <seb128> but yeah, I will handle the uploading part
[13:42] <Laney> good, it sucks in focal :p
[13:42] <seb128> focal is grrr
[13:42]  * Laney had another 'no outputs, no inputs' after starting a session today
[13:42] <seb128> since we regressed build on riscv which is blocking the current SRU
[13:42] <seb128> anyway
[13:42] <seb128> let's not get sidetracked too much :p
[13:42] <seb128> next
[13:42] <seb128> bug #1881137
[13:43] <Wimpress> I thought we assigned that one last week?
[13:43] <seb128> I just understood what it means for the ubuntu-drivers-common to be grey
[13:43] <seb128> you guys said it was deleted
[13:43] <seb128> but it needs to be delete for bionic/focal as well
[13:43] <seb128> I'm doing that now
[13:44] <seb128> k, now u-d-c really vanished
[13:44] <seb128> sorry for the confusing
[13:44] <seb128> bug #1881811
[13:44] <seb128> that's the one we discussed earlier
[13:44] <seb128> bug #1882042
[13:44] <seb128> another oem/pulseaudio
[13:45] <seb128> I assign to Hui and I'm going to do a batched upload with the other fix
[13:45] <seb128> k, that's it for bionic
[13:45] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:46] <seb128> noise aside there is bug #1882402
[13:46] <seb128> (I will try to clean the remaining noise after the meeting)
[13:47] <seb128> tseliot, ^ do you know about this? is that something that needs to be owned/targetted?
[13:48] <seb128> it doesn't seem to have enough information to be decided on to me
[13:48] <seb128> looks like a driver bug maybe?
[13:49] <seb128> I vote wontfix for now, or at least incomplete with info needed
[13:49] <tseliot> seb128, definitely incomplete
[13:49] <Wimpress> It's an interesting GPU hybrid configuration for sure.
[13:50] <tseliot> yes, we haven't enabled that yet
[13:51] <tseliot> I have a MP in a branch, and support for that will land sooner or later, just not with the 340 driver
[13:51] <seb128> k, I've notfixed it and asked for at least an apport-collect
[13:51] <seb128> tseliot, feel free to comment as well if you have more informations
[13:51] <seb128> let's move on
[13:51] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:52] <seb128> bug #1881540
[13:52] <didrocks> TBH, all zsys tasks are backport from 0.5
[13:52] <seb128> didrocks, you nominated it do you plan to own the focal part? should it be assigned to you?
[13:53] <Laney> I don't think we need to consider that for rls or not, just assign it
[13:53] <didrocks> seb128: they are all assigned normally, launchpad may have timeouted
[13:53] <seb128> k, fixing
[13:53] <didrocks> thx :)(
[13:53] <Laney> MINUS ONE DONT FIX IT EVER
[13:53] <didrocks> ahah
[13:53] <didrocks> tooooooooooooooo late
[13:53] <didrocks> can regress if you wish :)
[13:54] <seb128> :p
[13:54] <seb128> bug #1882583
[13:54] <seb128> Corey is handling those so I'm just assigning to him
[13:54] <seb128> (he pinged me on IRC yesterday)
[13:54] <seb128> that's it for focal
[13:54] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:54] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:55] <seb128> bug #1881699
[13:55] <jibel> please fix it ;)
[13:55] <seb128> pulseaudio didn't change since focal
[13:56] <seb128> sounds like rather a kernel bug from Daniel's comment?
[13:56] <seb128> unsure what to do with it to be honest
[13:57] <seb128> I would tend to rls-gg-notfixing since that's one report and pulseaudio didn't change
[13:57] <jibel> to be honest audio is a terrible experience
[13:57] <seb128> other opinions?
[13:57] <Laney> get it tried on another machine?
[13:57] <hellsworth> if it's a kernel issue, could we reassign it to kernel?
[13:57] <seb128> it has a linux target already
[13:57] <Laney> I do agree we have some problems with audio at least from my experiences here
[13:58] <Laney> so would be good to get a bit of investigation done to discover the extent
[13:58] <jibel> with my previous machine is was terrible too
[13:58] <seb128> I agree with the audio situation being suboptimal
[13:58] <jibel> but not having analog output when you plug an audio jack is really bad
[13:58] <seb128> I'm going to card some investigation on the board
[13:58] <seb128> but we are limited in capacity until we get that job opening again :/
[13:59] <seb128> does it work on focal on the same machine? (e.g from a live session)
[13:59] <jibel> I can try
[13:59] <seb128> thx
[13:59] <seb128> I will try on my xps with a daily iso later on
[14:00] <seb128> f and g
[14:00] <seb128> keeping it tagged meanwhile so we can rediscuss next week with more data
[14:00] <jibel> people on various forums have been reporting similar issues on Carbon X1 7gen
[14:01] <jibel> I'm ready to help debugging the issue if anyone has the knowledge to investigate
[14:01] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1860697
[14:02] <seb128> anyway, we should investigate/talk to oem about the carbon 7th situation if it's still an issue
[14:02] <seb128> but let's do that out of the meeting
[14:02] <seb128> moving on
[14:02] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:02] <seb128> the items there have been discussed
[14:03] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:03] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:03] <seb128> so
[14:03] <seb128> xorg-server/r-cran-gwidgetstcltk
[14:03] <seb128> the r-cran problems are being investigated by people on +1 maintenance from the reports
[14:03] <seb128> glib/libxmlb http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libx/libxmlb/groovy/amd64
[14:04] <seb128> could be real
[14:04] <seb128> does anyone want to poke at that one?
[14:04] <seb128> libreoffice/s390x is waiting on the fontforge fix that is fix commited in Debian to land
[14:04] <seb128>  network-manager-applet (1.8.24-1ubuntu2 to 1.16.0-1ubuntu1) in proposed for 5 days
[14:04] <seb128>     Depends on libnma
[14:04] <seb128> that needs MIR team to react to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnma/+bug/1881906
[14:05] <seb128> didrocks, do you know if it's fine to just promote since that's a split of existing code to a new source?
[14:05] <seb128> (network-manager-applet's library moved out to its own component)
[14:05] <didrocks> seb128: it just needs some soft packaging check, I can do it for EOW if you don’t mind
[14:05] <seb128> didrocks, would be nice, thanks
[14:06] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs68/68.9.0-1/+build/19405581
[14:06] <seb128>  Missing build dependencies: libemail-address-xs-perl
[14:06] <seb128> I need to raise that on #ubuntu-release, I don't understand what's going on
[14:06] <seb128> according to rmadison that binary is missing on i386
[14:06] <seb128> but it built on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libemail-address-xs-perl/1.04-1build2/+build/17929789
[14:07] <seb128> udisks2 failures need investigation, I did that sync I will look at the problem
[14:07] <seb128> gnome-shell probably just needs a retry after Trevinho's fixes landed
[14:08] <seb128> and that's it
[14:08] <seb128> so anyone interested to poke to libxmlb's failure?
[14:08] <seb128> I will card, feel free to grab it, if no-one does it will be assigned
[14:08] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:08] <seb128> anything else?
[14:09] <Wimpress> Not for me.
[14:09] <didrocks> nothing
[14:09] <oSoMoN> I'll take a look at the libxmlb failures, please assign the card to me
[14:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[14:09] <seb128> k, on that note let's wrap
[14:09] <Trevinho> seb128: I may look that build issue in a s390x cloud instance
[14:09] <seb128> thanks team!
[14:09] <kenvandine> :)
[14:09] <didrocks> thx!
[14:09] <seb128> #endmeetin
[14:09] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  9 14:09:56 2020 UTC.
[14:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-06-09-13.30.moin.txt
[14:10] <Laney> that mozjs thing is weird
[14:10] <seb128> Trevinho, gnome-shell you mean?
[14:10] <Laney> hmm
[14:10] <seb128> Laney, I'm wondering if the first thing to try is just a no change rebuild upload?
[14:10] <Laney> The following packages have unmet dependencies: lintian : Depends: libemail-address-xs-perl but it is not installable
[14:10] <seb128> Trevinho, it should simply be retried now that that adwaita fixes landed no?
[14:10] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, although it's true that mutter-common should be there for such archs,
[14:10] <Trevinho> seb128: should
[14:11] <seb128> hellsworth, if you had process questions you can ask now
[14:14] <hellsworth> right ok.. so when there's a new bug that exists, no matter how many series, it should only be tagged incomming for the development series - correct?
[14:14] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: why did you ask if i was planning on fixing the 1881811? what did i do that indicated that?
[14:15] <Trevinho> Laney: even weirder as it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libemail-address-xs-perl/1.04-1build2
[14:15] <Trevinho> but.... https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/libemail-address-xs-perl has not the i386?
[14:15] <Trevinho> ah, well it's never there, so...
[14:15] <seb128> hellsworth, the tagging is not an issue, you can tag for any serie you think it should be consider for
[14:15] <Trevinho> but still, it built
[14:16] <hellsworth> ok can tag but just don't "target"
[14:16] <seb128> the point I was raising/discussing is the 'target to serie'
[14:16] <seb128> yes
[14:16] <hellsworth> ok gotcha
[14:16] <seb128> well you can target if you plan to work on fixes for those series
[14:16] <seb128> it's up to you as a maintainer
[14:16] <seb128> it's just by team policy we don't want targetted but unowned items
[14:16] <luna_> Desktop Meeting in 2 hours or it has already been right?
[14:16] <seb128> luna_, it just finished
[14:17] <hellsworth> but it would be possible to say we'll fix some of the series and not others. but having them all targeted in the bug at least documents that it's a known wontfix issue in those series
[14:17] <luna_> seb128: ah will read the log after i am done watching some Dreamhack Online CS:Go Tourney
[14:17] <luna_> thanks
[14:17] <hellsworth> seb128: ok so only target to series i plan on fixing, right?
[14:17] <seb128> yes
[14:17] <seb128> and then assign
[14:17] <hellsworth> (and after a discussion with the team)
[14:17] <hellsworth> ok
[14:17] <seb128> we don't have a good way to mark things as impacting a serie
[14:18] <seb128> or to tell them appart of things we commited to fix/consider important
[14:18] <seb128> so we decided to just target for things important enough to be owned and tracked
[14:18] <hellsworth> ok.. yeah i was looking at targeting to mean impacting
[14:18] <seb128> right, in theory targetting as you did is right
[14:18] <hellsworth> thanks. makes more sense now.
[14:18] <seb128> but it doesn't play nicely with our precess atm
[14:18] <seb128> np!
[14:19] <hellsworth> :)
[14:20] <oSoMoN> seb128, I forget, do we have this process documented somewhere? it's not obvious how it works for external observers/newcomers
[14:20] <hellsworth> good question..
[14:22] <Laney> seb128: the problem is lintian isn't installable
[14:22] <Laney> I think that libemail-address-xs-perl thing needs bringing back
[14:22] <Laney> probably a new dep
[14:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, not that I can remember sorry
[14:25] <seb128> Laney, no change upload needed or is there another way?
[14:25] <oSoMoN> that would be a good thing to do, at some point
[14:25] <seb128> I think people mentioned copy over itself?
[14:26] <seb128> oSoMoN, it's likely it exists but I just don't know where... maybe ask bdmurray if he knows?
[14:26] <Laney> copying back probably works
[14:26] <Laney> let me try
[14:27] <seb128> thx
[14:31] <Laney> can't make copy-package do what I want
[14:33] <Trevinho> seb128: g-s built though https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.36.3-1ubuntu2/+build/19413155
[14:33] <seb128> Trevinho, great
[14:57] <oSoMoN> seb128, the libxmlb test failures seem to be transient, I managed to reproduce only once in a chroot, other test runs pass. can you retry?
[15:00] <seb128> oSoMoN, done, would still be good to report upstream if possible
[15:01] <oSoMoN> yes
[15:08] <oSoMoN> running the test in an infinite loop, I managed to trigger the failure again
[15:17] <seb128> oSoMoN, so yeah, probably just unlucky that it failed twice in a row on the infra, or depending of the performances of the machine/load/something
[15:17] <oSoMoN> yeah, we will soon know, the test started running again
[15:34] <didrocks> fed up with the Shell locking up on the shield
[15:34] <didrocks> then kill -> it restarts, but you have a black screen
[15:34] <didrocks> go to gdm and try unlocking -> just switch tty
[15:34] <didrocks> but still black screen with the cursor
[15:35] <didrocks> and if you kill the session, go back to gdm, log in again
[15:35] <didrocks> you have the wallpaper and shield again (which you can unlock this time)
[15:35] <didrocks> no crash file, nothing
[15:35] <didrocks> and nothing in logs I can spot :/
[15:36] <didrocks> (apart from a bunch of juin 09 17:33:54 casanier audit[562537]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.snap-store.ubuntu-software" name="/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache" pid=562537 comm="p>)
[15:38] <didrocks> and I need to reboot because the mic is locked
[15:38] <didrocks> bbiab
[15:45] <Laney> seb128: could you merge lp:~/ubuntu-archive-tools/libemail-address-xs-perl and then run the script pls?
[15:45] <Laney> needed to get the binary to come back
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, that ~ was confusing :p merged/pushed
[15:49] <Laney> heh
[15:50] <Laney> you need to ./update-i386-whitelist https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/i386.focal/i386+build-depends.sources
[15:53] <seb128> Laney, still focal or groovy in the url?
[15:53] <seb128> I did it with groovy, it's printed output but I don't understand what's it's doing / how then?
[15:53] <Laney> I guess groovy yeah
[15:53] <Laney> didn't notice that
[15:54] <seb128> did that act/did what is expected?
[15:54] <Laney> ah sigh
[15:54] <Laney> it's got focal hardcoded in the source
[15:55] <seb128> ah, it's prompting me to commit to the packageset, I hadn't noticed that prompt
[15:55] <Laney> I think you need to pass '-s groovy' or fix default_release in the source
[15:56] <seb128> k
[15:58] <seb128> oSoMoN, libxmlb retry worked
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, k, commited, hopefully I did the right thing/it works
[16:03] <Laney> seb128: looks like it's there, thx!
[16:03]  * Laney tries the copy again
[16:05] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, thanks! I'm filing an upstream bug
[16:06] <seb128> Laney, thx for guiding me with the steps
[16:06] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx
[16:06] <Laney> np
[16:06] <oSoMoN> I can make the test fail with the old libglib2.0 too, so the issue is not triggered specifically by the version in -proposed
[16:06] <Laney> didn't appear on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/i386/libemail-address-xs-perl tho
[16:06]  * Laney tries copying from focal
[16:07] <Laney> now that did work!
[16:08] <Laney> so should automatically clear out the mozjs68 build once that publishes et
[16:08] <Laney> c
[16:09] <luna_> Reading the log now :)
[16:30] <didrocks> xnox: was the diff in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/481850660/partman-swapfile_1_2.diff.gz on create_swapfile intended? This isn’t mentioned in the changelog (only the other change is) and ubiquity has exactly this patch (hence the FTBFS on your ubiquity upload)
[16:36] <xnox> didrocks:  i know, i am fixing it.
[16:36] <xnox> didrocks:  i think like years ago i uploaded the patch to experimental. but it was stuck in NEW.
[16:37] <xnox> didrocks:  hence i "distro patched it in ubiquity"
[16:37] <xnox> didrocks:  many years pass
[16:37] <xnox> didrocks:  i finally bother to sync partman-swapfile
[16:37] <xnox> didrocks:  so comparing that the things are the same, and then will drop the distro patch
[16:37] <xnox> (from the vendored stuff inside ubiquity)
[16:37] <didrocks> xnox: my other theory was a cp from ubiquity/debian/lib back on the second upload by error :p
[16:37] <xnox> didrocks:  it's part towards cleaning everything up in ubiquity
[16:38] <xnox> hahhahahhaha
[16:38] <xnox> didrocks:  i think it is intentional finish.d should not be interactive
[16:38] <didrocks> yeah, sounds better
[16:38] <xnox> original UX was bad
[16:48] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs68/68.9.0-1/+build/19405581 woot
[23:49] <callmepk> good morning


[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <mihir> popey, ping
[07:04] <mihir> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1221133
[07:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1221133 in Ubuntu Calendar App "calendar-app on idle is polling on poll() at ~15Hz" [High,Triaged]
[07:04] <mihir> this bug , now not affecting with new image?
[07:10] <mihir> dpm, ping
[07:10] <mihir> dpm, any conclusion on bug 1294684 ?
[07:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1294684 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Quick entry needed to add a new event" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1294684
[07:11] <dpm> hi mihir, let me have a look
[07:12] <dholbach> bzoltan1, Mirv: can we backport a newer version of click?
[07:12] <mihir> ybon, ping !!
[07:14] <mihir> dpm, okay :)
[07:18] <bzoltan1> dholbach:  why not
[07:19] <dholbach> bzoltan1, go go go! :)
[07:19] <dpm> mihir, replied to the bug with a proposal
[07:21] <mihir> dpm, great thank you. I thought to start working on that
[07:21] <mihir> dpm,  one more issues i found, don't know much , we are not let users to see on Month view that they have events.
[07:21] <mihir> what do you think on that.
[07:22] <dpm> mihir, great! On the quick entry, could you coordinate with Bartosz before you start working on it, since it seems he's already started. I just want to make sure you guys work together rather than coming with two separate implementations
[07:22] <mihir> dpm, sure I'll coordinate  with him.
[07:23] <dpm> cool :)
[07:24] <dpm> mihir, for your second question re: events shown in Month view, that's bug 1248125
[07:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1248125 in Ubuntu Calendar App "No marker in month view that an event is occurring on a day." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248125
[07:26] <mihir> dpm,  thank you :) gotcha
[07:26] <mihir> it seems we are moving fast now :)
[07:31] <bzoltan1> dholbach:  just dputed them
[07:31]  * dholbach hugs bzoltan1
[07:32] <dpm> mihir, indeed, we have to move really quick if we want to be ready for release!
[07:38] <mihir> dpm,  it would be great if we could get design inputs for this bug 1297739
[07:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297739 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Event repeat options should match google calendar." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297739
[07:43] <dpm> mihir, indeed, we'll ping michelR for some input
[07:44] <bzoltan1> dholbach:  the new tests of the click package failed for saucy/precise :(
[07:44] <dholbach> bzoltan1, which tests?
[07:45] <bzoltan1> dholbach:  lots of them... for example ERROR: test_reinstall_preinstalled (click.tests.test_install.TestClickInstaller)
[07:45] <dholbach> cjwatson might want to know
[08:01] <DanChapman> good morning
[08:23] <zsombi1> nik90: check the bug 1298886
[08:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298886 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Layout incorrectly sizes the children in the default layout when using Components{}" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298886
[08:23] <nik90> zsombi1: ooh you have a fix alreayd
[08:23] <zsombi1> nik90: you should see a branch there
[08:23] <zsombi1> nik90: ;)
[08:24] <zsombi1> it was pretty simple to fix
[08:24] <nik90> zsombi1: Do you want me to test it?
[08:24] <zsombi1> nik90: I'm preparing the MR out of it now, just waiting till the UITK release lands
[08:24] <zsombi1> nik90: yeps, if you don't mind building it locally...
[08:25] <nik90> zsombi1: yeah I will test it locally now and let you know how it goes
[08:25] <zsombi1> nik90: thx!
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Batman Day! :-D
[08:35] <nik90> zsombi1: The MP makes the rectangle visible and so it works. However it exposes an issue. I set the carousel visibility in the default layout to true only when the listview model count > 0. With this statement, it hides the carousel when going from the tablet layout to the default layout.
[08:35] <nik90> zsombi1: If I remove the visible statement, then things work as expected.
[08:37] <zsombi1> nik90: I see... the problem with that is that the only way to control the visibility of an item is to play either with visible or with opacity properties. Now, if you have a binding on either of these, that binding will be destroyed by the layouting
[08:37] <zsombi1> nik90: so: as layouting plays with visible, you could bind this condition to the opacity
[08:37] <nik90> zsombi1: yeah I came to that conclusion as I played with layouts and visibility
[08:37] <nik90> zsombi1: I will change to opacity
[08:38] <zsombi1> nik90: another solution would be to have an invisible Item in Layouts where the layouting would re-parent all unused items, then the visibility would not be touched at all
[08:39] <nik90> zsombi1: I don't follow. You mean encapsulate the items in a layout inside an item?
[08:40] <zsombi1> nik90: nopez, this invisible Item would be held by Layouts as internal component, you wouldn't need to do anything, just do the stuff you used to, bind visible and enabled as you wish, and the items not laid from default layout will be re-parented under this internal hidden item
[08:41] <zsombi1> nik90: honestly I had not thought about this issue...
[08:41] <zsombi1> nik90: but for now you should play with opacity, and file a bug so we can follow up on that!
[08:42] <nik90> zsombi1: will file a bug and play with opacity for now..yes
[08:42] <zsombi1> nik90: thx!
[08:43] <JoeyChan> Hi geeks
[08:44] <JoeyChan> for this bug :  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bug/1298978
[08:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298978 in Ubuntu RSS Feed Reader App "Articles are missing dates" [High,Confirmed]
[08:44] <JoeyChan> may not be fixed until Qt 5.3
[08:44] <JoeyChan> sth wrong with the js engine
[08:45] <popey> hi JoeyChan
[08:45] <JoeyChan> hi  popey
[08:46] <popey> mardy: ^^ who can look at this? Something we could possibly backport?
[08:48] <JoeyChan> the js  Date object can't parse standard datetime format   :(
[08:48] <mardy> JoeyChan: hi! Once the fix is ready for Qt 5.3, talk to Mirv and he'll consider whether this can be backported
[08:48] <mardy> JoeyChan: do you have a link to the Qt bug in their bugtracker?
[08:48] <popey> JoeyChan: did they say it _will_ be fixed in 5.3, or it _has_ been fixed in 5.3?
[08:48] <JoeyChan> I have a friend, he is a dev in Qt project
[08:49] <JoeyChan> he said the v4 js engine is imcomplete
[08:49] <JoeyChan>  in Qt 5.2
[08:50] <JoeyChan> popey  mardy:   he suggest us switch to 5.3 directly
[08:51] <JoeyChan> the whole qml and js module re-constructed
[08:53] <mardy> JoeyChan: we need a link to the commit(s) which fixed this, I'm not sure we'll switch to Qt 5.3 very soon
[08:55] <JoeyChan> i c  ,   so pls wait,  asking to my friend
[08:55] <Mirv> JoeyChan: we can't consider switching to a new upstream development version and trust it's 100% regression-free compared to a stable branch minor release (5.2.1) which also needed a lot of patches over the last 1-2 months to get good for us. switch to 5.3 will happen for 14.10 some time after 5.3.1 or so has been released.
[08:57] <Mirv> ideally though 5.3 is tracked before that already to see how our images will run with it
[08:59] <popey> JoeyChan: can you file a bug in upstream qt to track this please? https://bugreports.qt-project.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa
[09:00] <JoeyChan> popey   I am searching if there's a similar bug
[09:00] <popey> ok, thanks
[09:03] <Mirv> it'd be neat if there was a single commit fixing that bug, but what Joey said about Qt 5.3 V4 seeing restructuring yet again may make things a bit complicated
[09:07] <chriadam> worth talking to tronical about that.  I guess he means the compiled data / v4 unit thing?
[09:07] <chriadam> I haven't been following developments closely, though, so maybe I'm mistaken.
[09:14] <nik90> zsombi1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1300668
[09:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300668 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Cannot use visible property reliably while using Ubuntu Layouts" [Undecided,New]
[09:16] <JoeyChan> popey  Mirv:   no useful or similar search result, I am now reporting this bug to Qt project
[09:21] <Mirv> thanks a lot JoeyChan!
[09:29] <dpm> zbenjamin, quick question: for the file manager app, we've got a QML frontend and a C++ plugin. We've migrated the project to cmake joining both (the plugin used to live in another repo). Building works fine, but launching the app with Ctrl+R doesn't work: it tells me "could not find the executable" any ideas how to get qmlscene to launch the main QML file? The project is at  lp:~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/include-plugin
[09:31] <zbenjamin> dpm: you want to launch locally?=
[09:31] <dpm> zbenjamin, yes, sorry, I wasn't clear
[09:32] <zbenjamin> dpm: add the -I switch pointing to the directory containing the plugin
[09:32] <JoeyChan> popey  Mirv:   bug reported   https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-38011
[09:33] <dpm> zbenjamin, add it where?
[09:33] <dpm> I'm familiar with qmlscene's -I switch, but I'm not sure where you mean to add it
[09:33] <zbenjamin> dpm: you have to manually configure that for now, in the project page
[09:34] <dpm> zbenjamin, there is no way to set that in cmake, so that it's picked up automatically?
[09:34] <popey> thanks JoeyChan
[09:34] <zbenjamin> dpm: no, cmake does not export any informations we can use atm
[09:37] <dpm> zbenjamin, but it's weird, "could not find the executable" seems to imply that it does not know how to run the project (i.e. doesn't know it needs to launch qmlscene), rather than it failing to find the plugin. Is there a standard convention we're following in our cmake plugin I could adapt to, so that qmlscene launches the main QML file? I can then set the plugin path manually in the build options
[09:38] <zbenjamin> dpm: exactly thats the case. I have no idea if the cmake project is a qml/html/native project
[09:38] <zbenjamin> dpm: there is no informations about that
[09:38] <zbenjamin> dpm: the only thing i can see from your project is that you link a .so , nothing more
[09:39] <zbenjamin> dpm: however I plan to use the desktop file in the future if a UbuntuKit is selected
[09:40] <dpm> zbenjamin, yeah, yeah, I get that you cannot find out. But can I do anything in cmake (e.g. moving files around), so that Qt Creator thinks it's e.g. a plain qml project and thus launches qmlscene?
[09:40] <zbenjamin> no, qtcreator gets the project type from the project file mimetype.
[09:41] <zbenjamin> and in cmakes case there is just the cmake mimetype. Normally you would have the qmlproject mimetype. Thats why qtc knows to use qmlscene
[09:41] <dpm> and what does the cmake mimetype looks for as the main executable to run?
[09:42] <dpm> *look
[09:47] <dpm> so thinking about it, the best bet is probably not use qmlscene altogether and create a small executable that loads the qml frontend, same as reminders?
[09:58] <dpm> zbenjamin, ^
[09:58] <zbenjamin> dpm: yes that should work, cmake knows when you link a executable and should automatically create a runconfig for you
[11:54] <ybon> When is set automaticOrientation=True on my MainView, the gesture on a Map is wrong on landscape mode. Who should I report this to?
[11:57] <daker> ybon: bug 1182190
[11:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1182190 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "In Landscape orientation edge gestures not correct" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182190
[11:57] <ybon> daker: thanks a ton :)
[12:00] <ybon> I'm not sure about the perimeter of this issue though, given the comments and the title
[12:02] <daker> ybon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1182190/comments/1
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1182190 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "In Landscape orientation edge gestures not correct" [High,Confirmed]
[12:05] <ybon> daker, yeah, I read "suffer from the *same problem*" refering to the toolbar not being at the bottom, but that's fine
[12:58] <dpm> DanChapman, mzanetti, I'm not sure if you saw my comment on the latest MP, as while I was drafting it, the MP got approved, but in summary, if you think it makes sense to use Qt 5.2 features in trunk, I think we could do it and just have a separate series set up for Ubuntu 13.10
[12:59] <dpm> the downside, though, is that if we want to maintain it, we'd need to backport the changes that we did in trunk
[13:00] <dpm> in any case, TL;DR if it makes sense to use Qt 5.2, 13.10 should probably not be a limitation
[13:37] <mzanetti> dpm: +1 for using 5.2 features
[13:38] <nerochiaro> bfiller: I think you can approve https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-album-navigation/+merge/210178 now that I fixed all the remaining broken tests
[13:39] <bfiller> nerochiaro: ack
[13:46] <dpm> Mirv, we're trying to clean up Calendar branches, as quite a lot have been piling up for review. Is this one from yours ready for review, or does it need more work? https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-calendar-app/revert_213_that_reverted_212/+merge/212422
[13:47] <dpm> I think it will need to get the latest trunk changes merged in any case
[13:49] <mzanetti> dpm: lets discuss the switch to 5.2 features in the next reminders hangout
[13:56] <dpm> mzanetti, sounds good!
[14:04] <dpm> sergiusens, thanks for the review, I think I've addressed your comment now re: the file manager MP, please let me know if https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/include-plugin/+merge/213368 looks good to you now
[14:13] <Mirv> dpm: it's an attempt by me to restore the bzr212 revision, as asked by balloons. I don't have actual knowledge how much that revision is wanted to have back, or if some later commits are doing partially same things.
[14:13] <Mirv> dpm: I think it's probably more suitable as someone to branch and work on further regarding what's wanted, rather than blindly trying to restore the bzr212 as is
[14:14] <Mirv> Kunal would probably know best as it was his commit that was reverted to workaround the bug, but now could be restored
[14:15] <dpm> ok, makes sense, thanks Mirv
[14:16] <pmcgowan> popey, per the JS bug, do you know how those date strings are being generated?
[14:19] <popey> pmcgowan: for the RSS reader we are pulling from RSS feeds such as http://design.canonical.com/feed/ - open that and note <pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
[14:19] <popey> thats where the date comes from.
[14:19] <pmcgowan> popey, I see so external data, looking at the parsing code its simply not handling that format
[14:20] <pmcgowan> popey, do you know if that format conforms to a particular std?
[14:21] <popey> pmcgowan: it's close to - but not identical to - the output of the unix "date" command.
[14:22] <popey> i suspect it's a wordpress blog which generated that feed, so probably a standard PHP function
[14:22] <pmcgowan> popey, I guess what I would want to know is if QDateTime can handle it, in which case the fix may be easy
[14:22] <popey> wp-admin/includes/export.php:   <pubDate><?php echo date( 'D, d M Y H:i:s +0000' ); ?></pubDate>
[14:22] <popey> thats how wordpress does it
[14:23] <pmcgowan> popey, its not conformant to the JS spec, I suspect V8 just had an extension
[14:24] <pmcgowan> and it seems not conformat to Qt either
[14:42] <DanChapman> mzanetti: when is the next reminders hangout?
[14:42] <mzanetti> DanChapman: tomorrow 14:00 UTC
[14:43] <mzanetti> DanChapman: want me to invite you?
[14:43] <elopio> ping oSoMoN about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1271054
[14:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1271054 in notes-app "autopilot failures when closing the toolbar at startup" [High,Triaged]
[14:43] <oSoMoN> elopio, yes?
[14:43] <elopio> I did many runs of the notes app a couple of weeks ago, and it never failed that way. Is that still happening to you?
[14:44] <oSoMoN> elopio, not heard of such a failure recently, tbh notes-app is not on my radar (nor on anyone’s afaict)
[14:45] <elopio> oSoMoN: I'll mark it as incomplete for now, but keep an eye to see if it appears in other apps.
[14:45] <oSoMoN> elopio, ok
[14:46] <DanChapman> mzanetti: yes please that would be great if you could
[14:46] <mzanetti> DanChapman: done
[14:47] <DanChapman> mzanetti: awesome thanks
[15:28] <nik90> elopio: regarding the toolbar AP failure, I believe the clock app had those as well recently when t1mp was running the tests.
[15:29] <nik90> elopio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7185547/ (t1mp's logs)
[16:21] <elopio> nik90: that one looks more like it failed to open the page.
[16:21] <elopio> yesterday I spent like 3 hours running clock tests to try to reproduce what tim was seeing, but I couldn't
[16:21] <elopio> during three hours, I saw no single failures.
[16:22] <t1mp> lets hope it got fixed
[16:22] <t1mp> I got the failures with image 265, you didn't get them with 270 (?)
[16:22] <nik90> elopio: ok
[16:22] <t1mp> on the other hand, for me it failed only 2 out of 8 runs of the tests.. so not getting them doesn't mean they are not there
[16:22] <elopio> right.
[16:23] <elopio> but with the release to devel-proposed we will be able to collect more information.
[16:24] <nik90> elopio: yeah I noticed that the last function called in the clock app is _click_add_city_button which is related to clicking the toolbar button, hence I thought it was failing at that point
[16:24] <nik90> but then i noticed return self.main_view.wait_select_single(WorldClock) in the next line. So you are right
[16:24] <nik90> it is failing to open the page
[18:36] <pmcgowan> popey, pretty sure I figured out the one liner we need to fix in the javascript engine, will see if Tim can patch it for us or get upstream to do it
[18:36] <pmcgowan> timo that is
[18:41] <popey> great!
[18:42] <popey> i just uninstalled music from my stable #250 phone and cant reinstall it because 250 doesn't know about the new frameworks ☹
[18:43] <pmcgowan> popey, why does music require 14.04?
[18:45] <popey> pmcgowan: it has a binary plugin that needed rebuilding
[18:46] <pmcgowan> popey, that would be the one reason
[18:46] <popey> well, at the time it had two plugins
[18:46] <pmcgowan> I did not know it was one of the apps with that dependency
[18:47] <popey> unless I'm mis-remembering? It definitely has two plugins
[18:47] <pmcgowan> popey, having a plugin doesn't necessarily make it need rebuilding
[18:47] <pmcgowan> it needs to somehow be bit by the qreal change
[18:48] <popey> hm, my phone shipped with music 389 installed
[18:48] <popey> so there must be some other reason I can't reinstall it
[18:49]  * popey tries reinstalling
[18:49] <popey> ok, reinstalled, but it still wont start
[18:50] <popey> and no log in ~/.cache/upstart
[18:50] <popey> init: Failed to spawn application-click (com.ubuntu.music_music_1.3.389) main process: unable to switch security profile: No such file or directory
[18:50] <popey> uh
[18:50] <popey> paging jdstrand
[18:51] <jdstrand> popey: whatis the output of 'sudo aa-status'?
[18:52] <popey> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191037/
[18:53] <jdstrand> popey: com.ubuntu.music_music_1.3.403 is the profile loaded in to the kernel
[18:53] <jdstrand> popey: yet, you said something is trying to use APP_ID=com.ubuntu.music_music_1.3.389
[18:53] <popey> i did a pkcon install-local com.ubuntu.music_1.3.389_armhf.click
[18:54]  * popey uninstalls it all and starts again, this phone is a bit of a mess
[18:54] <jdstrand> popey: you might trying uninstalling the other version, then installing the old version
[18:55] <popey> oof, tried uninstalling 389, then 403..
[18:55] <popey> gi._glib.GError: com.ubuntu.music is hidden for user phablet
[18:55] <popey> click list doesn't show it at all for phablet
[18:55] <popey> shows 389 for root though
[18:56] <jdstrand> if click list doesn't show it, then you should be able to try to install 389 again as phablet
[18:56] <popey> k
[18:56] <popey> ok, reinstalled and click list shows it
[18:56] <jdstrand> popey: when it is done, please paste: 'sudo aa-status | grep music'
[18:56] <popey>    com.ubuntu.music_music_1.3.403
[18:56] <popey> ☹
[18:57] <jdstrand> popey: what is the pkcon output?
[18:57] <popey> the usual [==] and Installed   	com.ubuntu.music-1.3.389.armhf          	summary goes here
[18:57] <jdstrand> popey: what is the output of 'sudo aa-clickhook'
[18:57] <popey> nothing
[18:57] <jdstrand> popey: and click list?
[18:58] <popey> the whole thing?
[18:58] <jdstrand> (as phablet)
[18:58] <jdstrand> well, 'click list|grep music'
[18:58] <popey> com.ubuntu.music	1.3.389
[18:59] <jdstrand> popey: ls -l /var/lib/apparmor/clicks | grep music ; ls -l /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/*music*
[18:59] <jdstrand> I did that really weird :)
[18:59] <jdstrand> ls -l /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/*music* ; ls -l /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/*music*
[19:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191086/
[19:00] <jdstrand> popey: /var/lib/apparmor/clicks doesn't show the 389 version
[19:01] <popey> odd
[19:01] <jdstrand> popey: which is why click-apparmor didn't generate the policy
[19:02] <jdstrand> popey: we are in diagnosing click territory here, and I'm probably not the best person to do that
[19:02] <popey> ok. thanks anyway ☻
[19:02] <jdstrand> we did narrow it down quite a bit at least
[19:02] <popey> this phone is a bit of a mess, don't expect users to see this
[19:03] <jdstrand> popey: I'm guessing that the click symlinks in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click are not correct if you wanted to poke around there yourself
[19:04] <jdstrand> I'm not sure why that would be (getting back to not the best person :)
[19:04] <popey> yeah lrwxrwxrwx 1 phablet phablet 54 Apr  1 19:56 com.ubuntu.music -> /usr/share/click/preinstalled/com.ubuntu.music/1.3.389
[19:04] <jdstrand> oh
[19:04] <popey> thats in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet
[19:04] <jdstrand> if 389 is preinstalled, I doubt you can use pkcon install-local
[19:04] <popey> oh
[19:05] <jdstrand> but I don't *know* that
[19:05] <jdstrand> I think you want 'click register' instead. not sure if there is a corresponding pkcon command
[19:05]  * popey will rummage, thanks
[19:05] <jdstrand> np
[19:11] <qtros> popey hello! As I promised I helped with the development of calendar app  - reviewed few merge requests and proposed solutions for some bugs. If more help will be required later, I will try to help again :)
[19:12] <popey> qtros: thanks so much! I do appreciate it
[19:16] <qtros> popey thanks ;) Can I ask you again to test my project lp:twimgo on your phone via SDK? :)
[19:16] <popey> qtros: sure thing!
[19:17] <qtros> popey as you may remember it didn't work fine when running from click ... so can you please share console output with me? :)
[19:17] <popey> sure
[19:18] <popey> qtros: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191167/ that's what I get on my desktop
[19:18] <popey> in qtcreator
[19:20] <popey> qtros: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-01-201958.png
[19:20] <popey> thats what I see on device
[19:21] <popey> qtros: and same kind of log in qtcreator when run on device http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191176/
[19:23] <popey> qtros: i need to reboot, back shortly
[19:30] <qtros> popey thanks a lot! It's a great tip that app doesn't work on your desktop too :)
[19:55] <qtros> popey wow, seems that it's because of time
[19:55] <popey> oh?
[19:56] <qtros> popey time zone or something like that. I ported this app so I don't know all the details, but I've found that your date was "Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:18:11 UTC" while my "Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:53:54 GMT"
[19:57] <qtros> popey so what if "GMT" and "UTC" at end makes sense? ...
[19:57] <popey> well, they should both be allowed
[19:57] <popey> both are valid
[19:57] <popey> although right now the UK is in BST, which is GMT+1
[19:58] <popey> \o/ timezones.
[19:59] <qtros> popey wow, app uses handwritten parsing
[20:00] <qtros> popey exactly like Shorts will need soon :D
[20:00] <popey> well, pmcgowan seems to have figured out a fix for that
[20:02] <qtros> can you test again after few minutes? :)
[20:03] <popey> qtros: sure, just ping me when you need it testing
[20:06] <qtros> popey already can try :)
[20:06] <qtros> popey only on desktop
[20:06] <popey> ok
[20:07] <popey> qtros: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191351/
[20:08] <qtros> popey looks strange, isn't it?
[20:08] <qtros> 1 hour difference
[20:09] <qtros> 18:07 GMT+1 isn't equal to 20:07 UTC
[20:10] <qtros> popey my results is:Multi date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:04:23 GMT
[20:10] <qtros> twitterDate Wed Apr 02 2014 00:04:23 GMT+0400 (MSK)
[20:10] <qtros> timeCorrection -1001
[20:10] <qtros> only 5 min difference allowed as far as I know...
[20:12] <popey> it's 21:12 here right now
[20:13] <jincmd> hello
[20:13] <jincmd> anyone available
[20:13] <sarnold> jincmd: hello ;) irc tends to work best if you don't 'ask if you can ask', but rather just ask questions..
[20:16] <qtros> popey can you try it again? :)
[20:16] <qtros> popey maybe I should switch my timezone myself ... but for natural test try it, please :)
[20:16] <popey> qtros: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191394/
[20:21] <qtros> popey ok thanks! I'll play with it myself :)
[20:21] <popey> ok ☻
[20:21] <qtros> popey something wrong with date parsing, can't believe in this :)
[20:21] <popey> I can ☻
[20:22] <qtros> popey seems that I should reboot
[20:22] <popey> good luck!
[20:22] <qtros> popey to come to London (just in timezone :D)
[20:37] <jincmd> question
[20:37] <jincmd> IS ANYONE ERE
[20:38] <jincmd> here
[20:38] <jincmd> i am in search of a UBUNTU developer
[20:38] <sarnold> jincmd: see above
[20:39] <qtros> jincmd feel free to ask
[20:39] <jincmd> where could I find a reliable ubuntu edvop
[20:39] <jincmd> system engineer
[20:39] <jincmd> I want to build upon ubuntu touch
[20:39] <jincmd> locally
[20:40] <jincmd> devop is a word i newly learnt
[20:40] <jincmd> but seems to be what im looking for
[20:40] <jincmd><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:13] <akiva-mobile> huh... unity7 code is hard to read; there are almost like no comments, and then indentation is like 2 spaces. I am trying to clone the hud to make a new function, but I am having a hard time
[23:13] <akiva-mobile> is there any documentation that I am missing here?


[17:49] <pleia2> adding a2 announcement to fridge
[22:06] <jose> pleia2: I'll get to summaries tomorrow anyways :)
[22:07] <jose> (but yeah, I could use a hand)
[22:07] <pleia2> :)
[22:07] <pleia2> you wrote them all last week, I felt bad!
[22:07] <pleia2> and I wrote them all a couple weeks ago
[22:07] <pleia2> we're going to burnselves out
[22:07] <pleia2> hehe
[22:07] <jose> hehe
[22:08] <jose> well, it's something I could do when not playing Portal 2 :P
[22:08] <pleia2> I keep saying I'll do a blog post to get new contributors, but I need to keep an eye on the news mailbox when I do that, and with travel+sick lately I haven't found a nice chunk of time that I'd be home and not ill
[22:08] <pleia2> haha
[22:10]  * pleia2 sneaks off to recovery naptime
[22:24] <jose> get better soon!


[01:55] <Juzzy> 1 hour, but pretty cool. http://boingboing.net/2012/12/29/your-cisco-phone-is-listening.html
[02:35] <cyberanger> Juzzy: I kinda saw that coming, first it's cell phones & the remote bug exploits
[02:36] <cyberanger> since old school landlines are dying or dead, only one other target, and it's already too easy to capture sip-related traffic


[00:14] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: uhm, is your script on xda supposed to work on a unrooted transformer?
[00:21] <lilstevie> it will as long as you don't have an SBKv2 device
[01:00] <Netham45> I've got a Microsoft LiveChat LX-3000 headset that x64 has a driver for. The ARM build seems to be missing the driver, anyone know where I should look to get it compiled?
[01:02] <Netham45> It sees the headset, the vol up/down, mute buttons on it work, pulseaudio just doesn't see it.
[06:06] <MrCurious_> time to test 11.10 on a panda
[06:07] <twb> lilstevie: still remember me? :P
[06:08] <lilstevie> nope :p
[06:09] <twb> :-(
[13:04] <berco> ogra_: ping
[13:10] <ogra_> berco, yes ?
[13:10] <berco> ogra_: have you tried the oneiric ubuntu-core minimal fs on panda?
[13:10] <berco> ogra_: I'm having issues to boot it...
[13:11] <ogra_> boot it ?
[13:11] <ogra_> hwo do you boot it ? its an unconfigured base system to buuild other images on top
[13:12] <berco> yes, I put my mlo, u-boot and kernel.
[13:12] <ogra_> not intended for usage without a lot of configuration or modification
[13:12] <berco> I was expecting to get at least up to a console
[13:12] <ogra_> i.e. if you would build a settop box or IVI image you would use it to put your user-less UI on top for example
[13:12] <berco> I'm stuck with last message "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth"
[13:13] <ogra_> how did you configure it ?
[13:13] <ogra_> did you install a kernel packge, roll an initrd etc ...
[13:13] <ogra_> it is not intended to work OOTB at all, unless you look for a cheap way to get a chroot
[13:14] <berco> okay, so it's not at all intended to be a basic fs. I need to customize it first
[13:14] <ogra_> it is just enough OS to execute apt, nothing more
[13:15] <ogra_> no users, no root access etc
[13:15] <ogra_> you should get a console if you configure it right though
[13:15] <ogra_> on framebuffer ...
[13:15] <berco> okay, I don't event get this
[13:16] <ogra_> it should get you a console on screen
[13:16] <ogra_> but there is no user and root is locked by default
[13:16] <berco> I only have the 2 pinguins displayed on the screen, so it starts...
[13:16] <ogra_> it *wont* get you any login on serial since it is (on purpose) not configured for that
[13:17] <ogra_> no
[13:17] <ogra_> your kernel starts
[13:17] <berco> yes
[13:17] <ogra_> penguins have nothing to do with userspace
[13:18] <berco> I agree. I see the FS is mounted in the debug output and nothing else then
[13:18] <ogra_> on hdmi, right ?
[13:18] <berco> yes, I'm on HDMI
[13:18] <ogra_> then you should eventually see a login prompt
[13:19] <ogra_> with no option to log in though, unless you configured that
[13:19] <berco> I have the latest kernel from sebj with drm, etc.. maybe I should try with an older kernel
[13:21] <ogra_> likely ... what initrd are you using, the mountsall issue looks like your initrd is messed up
[13:22] <berco> I need to check for initrd.
[13:23] <ogra_> also if you dont use an initrd or a messed up one, make sure to not use UUID for root= on your cmdline
[13:23] <ogra_> the kernel isnt capable of using that, it needs the initrd
[13:24] <berco> okay, I just checked: my last test was without initrd and I use root=/dev/mmcblk...
[13:24] <ogra_> k
[13:24] <berco> I also removed spash from cmdline
[13:24] <berco> spash=splash
[13:24] <ogra_> *theoretically* it should work without inird, but since there are no initrd less images in ubuntu,. nobody actively tests that
[13:25] <ogra_> so i would always recommend to use one ...
[13:25] <berco> okay, I'll test to add it
[14:04] <berco> ogra_: with uInitrd, I get to the login screen now :)
[14:05] <ogra_> great
[14:06] <berco> so now as I understood from you there is no user or root login possible. I need to customize the fs, right
[14:07] <ogra_> yes
[14:14] <brandini> this news tech article says late 2012 early 2013 for A15's to hit the market
[14:14] <brandini> I don't think I buy that
[14:15] <brandini> broadcom has licenses for a tablet already
[14:18] <brandini> maybe it's true
[18:44] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: do i need to root my transformer to use your scripts?
[18:55] <prpplague> XorA: hey hey
[18:55] <prpplague> XorA_: hey hey
[18:56] <XorA> hey
[18:57] <XorA> forgetting I already had an xchat :-)
[18:57] <prpplague> XorA: you going to make it to ELC-E?
[18:57] <XorA> prpplague: no :-(
[18:57] <prpplague> XorA: doh
[20:09] <davidm> prpplague, are you going to ELC-E?
[20:09] <prpplague> davidm: yea
[20:09] <prpplague> davidm: got something that needs to go?
[20:09] <davidm> I'll see you there then
[20:39] <lilstevie> shadeslayer: for you to be even asking that means you need to do more research
[20:40] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: well, your instructions don't even mention rooting, which is why I'm a bit lost, I rebooted into recovery and the device doesn't show up ...
[20:40] <shadeslayer> I can't even figure out how to use the mmc on the device when it's booted in Android
[20:41] <shadeslayer> ( I don't get the option to mount the mmc over USB like I do on my phone )
[20:42] <shadeslayer> I haven't had alot of time to poke around which is why I'm asking
[20:42] <lilstevie> shadeslayer: what I mean is you need to do more research, like learn about nvflash
[20:42] <lilstevie> the very fact you are asking if you need to be rooted is telling me you haven't even looked into what nvflash is
[20:43] <shadeslayer> I did go through it, which means I obviously missed something
[20:43] <shadeslayer> I'll look at it again
[21:07] <prpplague> ogra_ / GrueMaster for 11.10, is there a command line change i need to do tell the install to use the DVI as primary instead of hdmi?
[21:08] <ogra_> not that i know of, we dont maintain the kernel anymore so i could only guess
[21:08] <GrueMaster> prpplague: Not sure.
[21:08] <prpplague> hmm
[21:09] <GrueMaster> robclark may know.
[21:11] <GrueMaster> I'd say ask on #pandaboard, but then you'd probably smack me.  :P
[21:11] <prpplague> GrueMaster: hehe, indeed i would
[21:13] <robclark> prpplague, drm will light up all monitors that it detects a connection on..
[21:13] <prpplague> robclark: yea, but it seems that ubuntu is selecting the hdmi for some reason
[21:14] <robclark> prpplague, there is a (*detect) fxn ptr in omap_dss_driver..  you just need to make sure that is returning sane values
[21:14] <robclark> prpplague, it should select both.. in theory..
[21:14] <robclark> (well, that is, if you have hdmi attached)
[21:14] <prpplague> robclark: can i use the video bootargs?  video=DVI-I-1:1024x768@85 video=TV-1:d
[21:14] <prpplague> robclark: no hdmi attached
[21:15] <robclark> hmm.. that sounds suspicious..
[21:15] <robclark>  @ your desk?
[21:16] <prpplague> yea
[21:16] <robclark> k, I'll swing by
[21:23] <prpplague> GrueMaster / ogra_ any special boot args to use to get console working with the 11.10 prebuilt desktop images?
[21:34] <GrueMaster> console?  You mean serial console?
[21:35] <prpplague> GrueMaster: yea
[21:36] <GrueMaster> For serial console, you just need to create a /etc/init/ttyO2.conf with the proper settings.  Use /etc/init/tty2.conf as a template, changing the tty port and speed.
[21:37] <GrueMaster> If you are trying to figure out the dvi stuff, you might be better off with a server image.  You can boot and configure it from the serial console, then tweak from there.
[21:39] <prpplague> GrueMaster: hmm
[21:39]  * prpplague doesn't like this aspect of ubuntu
[21:39]  * prpplague does an install using hdmi first
[21:39] <GrueMaster> Why not?
[21:40] <GrueMaster> How many desktop image do you usually configure through a serial port?
[21:40] <robclark> GrueMaster, ogra_, it looks like a plymouth issue.. or perhaps plymouth vs omapdrm..
[21:40] <robclark> but the splash screen is lighting up HDMI, but not DVI..
[21:40] <GrueMaster> That's possible.
[21:41] <robclark> so if you plugin just DVI, you see busybox instead of plymouth
[21:41] <prpplague> GrueMaster: just prefer to have an easier way of enabling the serial console
[21:41] <GrueMaster> You can mute plymouth by removing splash from the kernel cmdline.
[21:41] <robclark> is plymouth showing status msgs during the partition-resizing magic?
[21:42] <GrueMaster> It should show a few.  Not many.
[21:42] <prpplague> robclark: none with just dvi plugged in, only with just hdmi plugged in
[21:42] <GrueMaster> But it may also ve treating the dvi port as a second monitor source.
[21:43] <prpplague> GrueMaster: right that is what it appears to be doing
[21:43] <robclark> GrueMaster, on my laptop, splashscreen is coming mirror'd if I boot up w/ 2nd display attached..
[21:43] <GrueMaster> robclark: Might need to talk to the omap fb driver developer.
[21:44] <GrueMaster> Oh, wait....
[21:44] <robclark> there were some new support in drm for unaccelerated "dumb scanout buffer", which might not be in the version of omapdrm in 11.10... but on other hand, I'm not sure if plymouth is using those yet..
[21:44] <robclark> so big question is whether plymouth is using drm/kms kernel API or falling back to fbdev..
[21:45] <GrueMaster> Not sure.  Let me see if I can get slangasek to answer.
[21:45] <robclark> could someone point me at what kernel you are using?  I can check what revision of omapdrm you are using..
[21:46] <GrueMaster> 3.0.0-1205.10
[21:46] <GrueMaster> Is on the release image.
[21:46]  * robclark was looking for a git tree + tag..
[21:47] <robclark> ok, think I found it
[21:49] <prpplague> GrueMaster: when i use the prebuilt 11.10 images, what should i expect to see on the hdmi display?
[21:49] <robclark> ok, GrueMaster, I think I added support for the "dumb scanout API" (which libkms can use) at same time I added GEM support...  so not in the version of driver you have..
[21:49] <robclark> so plymouth might be falling back to some legacy fbdev mode
[21:56]  * prpplague grumbles
[22:02] <slangasek> robclark, GrueMaster: plymouth requires a per-drm-driver backend; I don't think plymouth knows about omapdrm
[22:02] <robclark> slangasek, ok, it doesn't use libkms?
[22:02] <slangasek> I have never heard of libkms, so I guess not :)
[22:02] <robclark> (which has backends for different drm drivers, and also a backend that can use the new "dumb scanout" API..)
[22:02] <robclark> it is in libdrm git tree
[22:03] <slangasek> ok - nope, not being used, at least not in the version we have
[22:03] <PDunny> Does anyone here know anything about getting ubuntu on mobiles/tablets?
[22:03] <robclark> ok
[22:03] <robclark> then I guess there may be some plymouth work to do at some point..
[22:03]  * slangasek nods
[22:04] <robclark> or if it uses the "dumb scanout" ioctls, then it should work out of box with omapdrm which is going upstream... the slightly newer one with GEM support
[22:04] <slangasek> I don't think we would want to refactor plymouth's drm support in 12.04; a bit risky for an LTS
[22:04]  * robclark would recommend to have the dumb scanout ioctls as fallback
[22:05] <slangasek> but the current drm support is not great (we even have radeondrm blacklisted right now, due to multimonitor issues), so I would love to see this improved in the future
[22:05] <robclark> that won't work for omapdrm in 11.10 but will work in 12.04
[22:06] <robclark> slangasek, http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/drm/drm_mode.h#L347  (fyi)
[22:06] <slangasek> robclark: have you spoken with plymouth upstream about this, by any chance?
[22:06] <robclark> those ioctls will give an API that can be used to allocate/mmap a buffer for any drm device (supporting GEM at least)
[22:06] <robclark> not really..
[22:07]  * robclark has no idea who that is ;-)
[22:07] <slangasek> #plymouth :)
[22:07] <robclark> ahh
[22:07] <slangasek> best if the support could land there first
[22:07] <robclark> I guess they must know about those APIs..  they were added pretty much for the purpose of things like plymouth..
[22:07] <robclark> but I think they are pretty recent
[22:08] <slangasek> looks like there's preliminary support for libkms upstream since Aug 2010
[22:08] <slangasek> there hasn't been an upstream release since then, however
[22:08] <robclark> hmm.. well, if they finish that, they get the dumb-scanout buffer stuff for free..


[16:05] <flocculant> balloons_: we have lift off \o/ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/packages/Studio/
[16:06] <balloons_> nice1
[16:07] <balloons> I take it there's interest to run these too then? :-)
[16:07] <flocculant> yea
[16:07]  * balloons notes his Monday Morning sentences aren't the best
[16:07] <flocculant> I think I linked you to the studio m/l where someone stood up to the plate for testing/qa for them
[16:08] <flocculant> he's pushing to get stuff up so they can test packages
[16:08] <balloons> yes, I read it. I assume this is the outcome, but I trust they will rally folks to also run the tests
[16:09] <flocculant> I hope so
[16:09] <flocculant> at the end of the day imo - if we make it available we can't do more than that
[16:11] <flocculant> I've been finding some odd ones this cycle - pavucontrol mutes when I open it using a xonar sound card - seems to be associated with logitech webcams ... go figure ;)
[16:42] <balloons> whoa.. that's quite specific indeed
[16:45] <flocculant> balloons: yep :)
[16:46] <flocculant> though one of our team saw the same thing - not confirmed he was a logitech webcam yet
[16:46] <flocculant> he definitely doesn't have the xonar sound card
[19:36] <balloons> flocculant, so one thing that needs to happen this week is a list of quality tasks for GCI :-) Would you care to help write a list (regardless of being willing to mentor them)?
[20:36] <flocculant> balloons: can do


[04:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, I'm trying to help a new user get a Launchpad account set up so they can help contribute to Lubuntu, but for some reason it is behaving very strangely. It kept telling him "invalid validation link" when he would click on the link to verify his account, and he'd end up having to get another verification email. I also noticed that I had some difficulties logging into the Ubuntu Wiki earlier today. In the event these aren't known
[04:48] <arraybolt3[m]> issues, can someone look into what's going on with Ubuntu One?
[04:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think he finally got the account made thankfully.)
[06:32] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: I can remember that I also had that issue. turned out (for me) some addon was messing up the link (I assume some tracking removing addon)
[09:49] <cjwatson> arraybolt3[m]: Glad you got it fixed.  FWIW, the Launchpad team doesn't maintain SSO / Ubuntu One (the login system)
[10:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh... my bad, thank you for your help anyway!
[11:15] <schopin> I've been trying to mark bugs as duplicates but this consistently times out, even after waiting "a few minutes". Is there anything going on? (marking 1961774 as duplicate of 1868517)
[11:32] <guruprasad> This issue appears to be happening because the backend is returning a 503 error.
[11:33] <cjwatson> Is there an OOPS ID?
[11:53] <guruprasad> I got OOPS-3423657c872d4b74f2bde8dfe3f414ff from the XHR request's response but the OOPS system doesn't (yet?) know about it.
[12:06] <murmel> is something going on with launchpad? can't login :/
[12:22] <cjwatson> murmel: Can you be more specific?
[12:22] <cjwatson> murmel: For example, do you get an error ID?
[12:23] <murmel> cjwatson: just tried again: OOPS-66f4ac87ab5645b1e807f3d61609a518
[12:24] <cjwatson> murmel: Give me a few minutes and I'll fix your account
[12:24] <murmel> cjwatson: thank you very much :)
[12:25] <cjwatson> murmel: Ah, I see, you deactivated your account and that caused some confusion
[12:26] <cjwatson> And I guess deleted your SSO account and then changed your mind?
[12:26] <murmel> cjwatson: yup :/
[12:27] <cjwatson> Ugh, the deactivated account had a PPA, hang on a minute while I work out what to do here
[12:28] <murmel> cjwatson: doesn't it get autodeleted?
[12:28] <cjwatson> Oh, it's empty, I'll just delete it
[12:29] <cjwatson> Well normally it wouldn't matter since it becomes invisible, but it causes some difficulty on reactivation/renaming like this
[12:29] <murmel> cjwatson: yeah I wanted to bpo stuff, but I (sadly) ragequit :/
[12:30] <cjwatson> Just waiting for the empty PPA to finish deleting, takes a publisher cycle
[12:30] <murmel> thanks again. need to report a bug, one of the reasons why I need the ubuntu account :/
[12:55] <guruprasad> cjwatson, the OOPS corresponding to the thing that schopin tried to do says the exception is `lp.services.webapp.adapter.RequestExpired: request expired.`
[12:56] <guruprasad> Does this mean the database query didn't complete in the expected time, within the timeout?
[12:59] <cjwatson> murmel: Sorry for the delay - you should be able to log in now
[13:00] <murmel> cjwatson: no worries. and thanks :)
[13:00] <cjwatson> guruprasad: Yes, that's usual for a timeout, the interesting bit would be the query log not the exception in that case
[13:00] <schopin> Is that something I can provide you from client side?
[13:00] <cjwatson> schopin: no
[13:00] <cjwatson> but the OOPS should have it (I haven't looked)
[13:02] <cjwatson> Looking at the target bug it's probably the known thing where bugs on very many source packages don't perform well
[13:03] <cjwatson> Because all the structural subscription lookups get pretty expensive
[13:03] <cjwatson> So this is not so much something particular going on as that bugs like this have always been a bit of a problem
[13:17] <cjwatson> Hm, autoconfirmation is probably in the mix too
[13:18] <cjwatson> Which suggests that it might be possible to improve the situation with some more caching - looks like it's trying to confirm each bug task in turn?


[00:57] <Airbander> Hi guys
[00:57] <Airbander> i have  a message ask me to update from 14.04 to 14.10 so should i do it ?
[04:26] <xubuntu283> howdy
[04:27] <xubuntu283> it is very handy to have this available while installing Xubuntu
[04:27] <xubuntu283> anybody here run on an odroid?
[04:31] <Hund> xubuntu283: I do.
[04:31] <xubuntu283> which model?
[04:31] <Hund> xubuntu283: LG G2. Im getting the Note 4 soon. :)
[04:32] <xubuntu283> not exactly what I was asking.  Check out hardkernel.com
[04:35] <Hund> xubuntu283: Oh.
[04:35] <Hund> :P
[04:39] <Guest79532> sorry Hund, my system was done installing and rebut
[04:39] <Guest79532> what was said after I mentioned hardkernel.com?
[04:41] <Hund> Guest79532: I said "Oh". :P
[04:42] <Hund> Guest79532: I just thought you missspelled Android.
[04:57] <Leviticus> !ops | yo rww in here ban me waaaaa
[05:17] <Guest79532> No problem
[08:52] <linux-e> Hello everyone
[08:54] <linux-e> is there anybody out there
[08:55] <baizon> !ask | linux-e
[09:00] <xubuntu13w> hello !
[09:01] <xubuntu13w> can some one tell me what the benefits are of getting a home server?
[09:01] <xubuntu13w> instead of a NAS
[09:02] <xubuntu13w> i would like to use a free server software package and have a webUI
[09:05] <linux-e> how can i learn my rams information from terminal? ddr3 or ddr2, hz information
[10:36] <lindner> is there a way to force tumbler to create thumbnails for a specific folder and its subfolders?
[13:01] <Bis> Hi
[13:02] <Bis> Is anyone here?
[13:02] <cfhowlett> Bis, only a few thousand.
[13:02] <Bis> Oh
[13:03]  * Bis hugs cfhowlett
[13:09] <Bis> Cfhowlett?
[13:09] <cfhowlett> Bis, ?
[13:11] <Bis> You're my pet
[13:11] <cfhowlett> Bis, I'm nobody's pet.  ask your ubuntu support questions.
[13:23] <Bis> :(
[13:54] <koen2> Hello! I have a support question. Is this the right place to ask/
[13:55] <recon_lap> koen2: sure is , if it about xubuntu
[13:55] <koen2> yes it is, thank you.
[13:55] <koen2> I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 on a machine on which it was previously running just fine *after an upgrade from 13.10
[13:55] <recon_lap> hey all, I added a faulty menu item, now it shows up in the menu but not the menu editor. how do i delete it?
[13:56] <koen2> but my keyboard is not recognized anymore
[13:56] <koen2> Everywhere I look in the settings and files, it says that my keyboard is Swedish *my keyboard is Swedish
[13:56] <koen2> but it produces the wrong characters anyway
[13:57] <recon_lap> koen2: could you be missing the Swedish language pack?
[13:57] <koen2> I tried to edit /etc/default/keyboard but it was already OK
[13:57] <koen2> AAHHH
[13:57] <koen2> of course
[13:57] <koen2> how do I install it_ The last time I installed Xubuntu kept nagging me about that not all language packs were installed
[13:57] <koen2> this time it didn\t
[13:58] <koen2> *now I remember(
[13:58] <koen2> thanks >(
[13:58] <koen2> that\s a smiley
[13:59] <koen2> got it
[13:59] <koen2> settings /> languae support
[13:59] <koen2> i think, i will browse around there
[14:17] <xubuntu42o> m
[14:18] <xubuntu42o> I'm new xubuntu user, what's firstly do after install xubuntu?
[14:22] <GridCube> if you didn't tick to install the media controls with the installer you should installthe xubuntu-restricted-extras,after that, have fun
[14:47] <koen2> help?
[14:47] <koen2> I can\t get my keyboard to work properly in a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04.1
[14:48] <koen2> I have a Swedish keyboard, I installed all missing language packs. All options everywhere seem to point to this being my keyboard, but it still does not work
[14:48] <koen2> /etc/default/keyboard looks as expected
[14:48] <koen2> I have installed and removed ibus
[14:48] <koen2> nothing seems to have any effect
[14:48] <koen2> logged out / logged in
[14:48] <koen2> restarted
[14:49] <koen2> is ibus needed if you only want one keyboard layout>
[14:51] <recon_lap> koen2: and you select Swedish in the "Layout Settings" for the keyboard?
[14:52] <koen2> Yes, I have tried both that and checking @use system defaults@
[14:53] <GridCube> !locale
[14:53] <koen2> thanks, I\ll check that out right now
[14:54] <koen2> do i need ibus if I only have one keyboard layout?
[14:55] <GridCube> i don't know
[15:00] <koen2> GridCube: thanks but that info doesnt really contain anything that I did not already know
[15:01] <koen2> for keyboards on desktop environments, it just says to go to settings
[15:02] <GridCube> mmhm
[15:03] <GridCube> have you choosen your language at the login stage?
[15:03] <koen2> now I added a new language to the language list (Albanian), moved it to the top, deleted it, and now my keyboard is Swedish!
[15:03] <koen2> I will log out and back in and see if it works, thanks for your support :)
[15:40] <koen2> GridCube: Thanks for your compassion
[15:40] <koen2> It did not work
[15:41] <koen2> I gave up, and added a setxkb command to my start-ups
[15:41] <koen2> this does the trick
[15:41] <GridCube> :)
[15:42] <GridCube> well, fill a bug report against ibus koen2
[15:42] <koen2> I think this is a well-known bug, at least it seems so browsing the forums
[15:42] <koen2> also, I did not have ibus installed
[15:42] <koen2> people who do a fresh install experience it, not upgraders
[15:42] <GridCube> oh... well, then probably thats your problem
[17:04] <JQ> hello
[17:04] <Alexfrench> hello
[17:05] <JQ> hey i have a portable drive..2 partitions are encoded in Win Bit locker encryption
[17:05] <JQ> how can i acess them in xubuntu
[17:13] <vijay_> hiii
[17:13] <vijay_> anyone
[17:14] <athlon> I used to have windows. And the shutdown works well.
[17:15] <athlon> does anyone here have idea why I can't seem to turn off my xubuntu?
[17:17] <athlon> like it did turn off going blank etc but then it'll turn on by itself like restart. The difference are only in timing..
[17:21] <athlon> how would i know that i wasn't because of virus or anything a like?
[17:26] <Alexfrench> which version ??
[17:27] <athlon> the 14.04
[17:27] <athlon> almost all linux though
[17:27] <athlon> not just xubuntu.
[17:27] <Alexfrench> i have this too on virtualbox
[17:27] <athlon> i read that it maybe ". Basically when the laptop is connected to the charger, it always restarts, it cannot be shut off whether by holding down the power button or issuing a shut down command from the OS."
[17:27] <athlon> was that even possible?
[17:28] <athlon> Alexfrench: you also had the same on virtualbox?
[17:29] <athlon> or was it the "wake on lan" bios option that caused this restart?
[17:30] <athlon> I already have my windows deleted.
[17:31] <Alexfrench> yes ido
[17:32] <athlon> Alexfrench: is there a fix to that problem?
[17:32] <Alexfrench> but my laptop is always plug on the sector
[17:32] <Alexfrench> without battery indeed
[17:33] <athlon> Alexfrench: i too. plug on without battery.
[17:33] <athlon> Alexfrench: does the light power still blink after shutdown?
[17:33] <Alexfrench> you don't have shutdown button ???
[17:34] <athlon> Alexfrench: I have the power button with light.
[17:35] <athlon> Alexfrench: when it shutdown the light off but then after a while it turns on again.
[17:35] <athlon> so no fix to this problem?
[17:36] <Alexfrench> weird
[17:37] <Alexfrench> mine after shutdown no light
[17:37] <Alexfrench> just a litle one beside power plug
[17:37] <athlon> like that.
[17:39] <athlon> mistake, "after shutdown".
[17:41] <athlon> weird because this problem really didn't showed up on windows. Shutdown perfectly. Doesn't reboot/restart after that.
[17:42] <Alexfrench> it is a virtualbox xubuntu or an hdd one ???
[17:42] <athlon> Alexfrench: not a virtualbox
[17:43] <athlon> Alexfrench: installed linux into my laptop
[17:43] <Alexfrench> ok
[17:43] <BalTun> in settings of battery i see on mouse statistic tab an icon of battery. And when battery is loading, i see mouse instead of battery icon. How to fix this bug ?
[17:43] <Alexfrench> to shutdown your desktop what do you do ???
[17:44] <athlon> Alexfrench: the shutdown option.
[17:44] <athlon> Alexfrench: the log out option then shutdown.
[17:44] <Alexfrench> ok and it reboots ?? that it ??
[17:45] <athlon> Alexfrench: yes. it reboots.
[17:46] <athlon> Alexfrench: umm... more like it shutdown. then 2-3seconds it started by itself.
[17:46] <Alexfrench> strange
[17:47] <elfy> athlon: try looking BIOS for WOL - there appears to be bug, where shutdown is falsely identified
[17:47] <athlon> Alexfrench: reboot is right way after shutdown with no time gap.
[17:48] <athlon> elfy: wouldn't WOL also affect windows then? But it didn't?
[17:48] <elfy> athlon: I'd guess so - but wouldn't be able to say for sure - long time since I used it
[17:50] <athlon> elfy: the last time I logged to windows. It shutdown prefectly. But if i login to linux, that problem appears.
[17:51] <athlon> what to do if I already have the WOL turned off but that problem still persist?
[17:52] <athlon> I don't know how to fix bios in linux...
[17:52] <Alexfrench> a bios bug ??
[17:52] <elfy> not said anything about fixing bios - just turning off an option if you have it turned on
[17:53] <athlon> It could probably be a bios bug...
[17:53] <elfy> other than trying it I don't have the issue and hence never dug too deep, WOL was just first in search engine
[17:54] <athlon> do you know how to fix/upgrade bios in linux?
[17:55] <athlon> after the bios upgrade I did in the past, the option to disable optimus were gone.
[17:55] <athlon> so i thoughtit might be the bios bug or something
[17:55] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid
[17:56] <elfy> might be a bios bug, who knows, you'd have to search for it
[17:56] <Alexfrench> try to see the administrator rights for shutdown/reboot/hibernation maybe
[17:56] <athlon> ?? where?
[17:59] <athlon> Alexfrench: where?
[18:00] <Alexfrench> sorry i am looking where on google, i read this on a forum
[18:01] <Alexfrench> read this in english
[18:01] <Alexfrench> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/logind.conf.5.html
[18:02] <Alexfrench> i don't know if there a issue but it seems to be a known problem
[18:11] <athlon> Alexfrench: thanks.
[18:12] <Alexfrench> ok i still searching
[18:14] <Alexfrench> here on a french forum one guy say maybe it is an acpi problem
[18:14] <athlon> Alexfrench: the only thing i know was : http://superuser.com/questions/615201/computer-restarts-on-shutdown
[18:15] <athlon> I'm using Acer
[18:28] <sns_> Hi there. I've ran into some issues on 14.10 using xboxdrv
[18:28] <sns_> Seems it was not enough to do a install of ubuntu-xboxdrv like in previous versions.


[04:48] <ray_> Greetings Ubuntu gnome team!
[04:48] <blu_> Hi!!
[04:49] <ray_> Just like to ask if Gnome classic mode will be available to Ubuntu Gnome sometime soon?
[12:13] <Dark_light> Regarding the double online accounts entry isn't it as simple as removing canonical's patches changing the required deps and rebuilding the packages?
[12:38] <Paper-bat> hi all
[12:40] <Paper-bat> I'm interested in this project, there is a way to help the ubuntu-gnome community? I'm a web developer
[12:52] <back_> i have a question for all who have nvidia card with properietary drivers. Maybe this is litle bit noob question. But i want to know if you start computer and then run xrandr -s 0 to console what happens. If nothing, or changing resolution, or resolution no change but screen blink
[14:00] <back_> have anyone problem with shuting down and restarting ubuntu? I mean i i restart or shutdown ubuntu 13.04 from panel, ubuntu stops restarting or shuting and olny freeze to black screen.
[14:00] <back_> it is clean instalation of 64bit
[14:03] <back_> how can i show or hide messages when ubuntu starts/poweroff
[14:09] <bjsnider> i think esc will do that
[14:11] <bjsnider> you're bascially just seeing what's in dmesg though, so you can check that
[14:14] <back_> bjsnider, i try the ESC key
[14:17] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: Huh? If back_ meant the dmesg stuff after the GRUB menu, that's editing /etc/default/grub
[14:18] <bjsnider> i think you can look at boot messages at boot time by hitting esc though
[14:18] <bjsnider> haqve you tried it?
[14:18] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: Now I need to try that...
[14:19] <back_> bjsnider, esc not working but i remeber in 12.04 esc works.-.. but now i have new faster pc. If i try to reboot or shutdown this is very fast  when pc freeze. There is no time to showing something
[14:19] <bjsnider> yeah that would be a problem if it's freezing so fast that you can't capture any info
[14:20] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: Nope... didn't work
[14:21] <back_> bjsnider, yes it is problem i also trying to solve this problem in our language linux forum but i dot have idea how to get some information what is wrong :/... but also i see more people over internet have this problem.
[14:22] <back_> it is not problem only GNOME derivate -in my opinion
[14:22] <bjsnider> "Plymouth hides boot messages. To view boot messages, press the Esc key during boot, or view them in /var/log/boot.log after boot up."
[14:23] <bjsnider> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[14:24] <bjsnider> says esc works
[14:25] <back_> bjsnider,  boot.log -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774106/
[14:26] <back_> but this is boot log :D for me will be better poweroff log :D
[14:35] <back_> all is too much fast there is no time to nothing :/
[14:36] <bjsnider> if you can't shut down properly, you could try it from a tty. there could be some useful stdout/stderr
[14:37] <back_> yes i know it and i try it.. if i do that from tty... then
[14:37] <bjsnider> if you switch using ctrl+alt+f1 for example, then log in, then do sudo shutdown now
[14:38] <back_> fast start GDM -i have also time to login if i am also fast.. then restarting or power off. From TTY i  have luck with poweroff or rebooting.
[14:38] <back_> bjsnider, i know that you thing and i try it.
[14:39] <back_> but instead text mode- starts GDM
[14:39] <back_> stats after halt,poweroff,reboot commnad.
[14:39] <back_> just quick but starts
[14:40] <back_> maybe i must wait few weeks then come some actualization and all will be fine :D
[14:41] <bjsnider> your uneasy command of english is making it tough to tell what the problem is
[14:42] <back_> yes i know my english is not perfect.
[14:43] <back_> the problem is if i try to poweroff or restart pc from GNOME panel. then i get black screen and pc freeze.
[14:44] <bjsnider> mouse doesn't work?
[14:44] <bjsnider> if you touch the num lock key does hte light come on/off?
[14:47] <back_> num lock-leds no work if i on/off it..
[14:47] <back_> pc freeze and nothing to do.
[14:49] <back_> mouse?? when mause must work? if i  poweroff or reboot session is closed- it is fast but xserver must be stoped
[14:50] <back_> it is one-two second after click on reboot/off then blink screen and is black. Thats end.
[14:51] <bjsnider> if the num lock keys don't respond that's almost always a hard lockup. so, when you ask the system to go down it hard locks
[14:53] <back_> and what can i do?
[14:55] <bjsnider> what graphics hardware do you have?
[14:56] <back_> nvidia 8800GTS 320MB
[14:56] <bjsnider> it shuts down fine from the tty?
[14:57] <bjsnider> this problem does not happen from the tty?
[14:59] <back_> problem has not yet appeared in TTY- I do not spend much time but i did attempt
[15:00] <bjsnider> are you using the blob or nouveau to drive the gpu?
[15:01] <back_> properietary from xedgers lauchpad
[15:01] <bjsnider> uh huh
[15:01] <bjsnider> gee, i wonder if that could possibly be the problem
[15:02] <back_> hmm i can try switch to nouveau
[15:08] <bjsnider> there's a bigger problem than that
[15:08] <bjsnider> xorg-edgers pulls in a lot of unstable cutting edge xorg/mesa stuff
[15:14] <back_> bjsnider, i go try nouveau
[15:15] <bjsnider> well it may require you to ppa-purge xorg-edgers too
[15:27] <dale_> Is it possible to install ubuntu gnome without blowing away my pre-existing /home and /usr/local dedicated partitions?
[15:33] <jbicha> dale_: the installer can preserve /home; I believe you'll need to restore from a backup for /usr/local but I'm not sure about it
[16:00] <back_> bjsnider, maybe it is nvidia driver... i try nouveau and it works(i mean restart and poweroff)
[16:06] <back_> but nouveau driver is so *****  first boot with driver i have monitor divided into two areas, In second boot i dont have shutdown-button in gnome applet, if i try to logout i canot back login in GDM becouse it is not typing nothing... but TAB key works... :D nonsense :D and if i forgot on all artefact what i see.  But funtioned restart/shutdown :D
[17:26] <bjsnider> back_, are yo using the edgers nouveau or the stable one?
[17:32] <back_> i dont know.. i go back to nvidia properietary driver. I dont want to use nouveau(I think the driver for the graphic card is very specific software and it is importat that it provedes the producer) i have nVidia Geforce 8800GTS- in few years back it was very good highend card. If i want to use only 2D graphic then i can take something cheap.
[17:33] <bjsnider> well, if you added the edgers ppa you realize it replaced the whole xorg/mesa stable stack with unstable packages?
[17:33] <back_> and also all previous skills with open graphic drivers was be nightmare.. I remeber more years ago i have radeon 9200 for this card exist 3 kind of drivers but one was wors then another:D
[17:34] <bjsnider> yeah, well amd sucks
[17:34] <bjsnider> so you're preaching to the choir
[17:35] <back_> bjsnider, hmm i dont have any problems before with nvidia 8800gts.. only in ubuntu 13.04
[17:35] <back_> this is first time when i have problem with nvidia card.
[17:36] <back_> and long years i use only drivers from nvidia.
[22:02] <distilledchaos> clear
[22:02] <distilledchaos> oops >.>
[22:02] <distilledchaos> I can't login, I think because I upgraded using the gnome3 ppa
[22:03] <distilledchaos> I can't interact with anything graphical
[22:03] <distilledchaos> but i can switch ttys
[22:06] <jbicha> distilledchaos: the instructions for the ppa say that you should run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:07] <distilledchaos> jbicha: i'll give that a shot
[22:31] <distilledchaos> that worked
[22:31] <distilledchaos> thanks!
[22:31] <distilledchaos> exit


[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3, sgmoore, mmikowski, RikMills, Eickmeyer: Could we hop on a call or meeting of some kind, ideally on Friday? Would like to discuss Qt 6 plans for OO cycle, just so we can coordinate together.
[13:47] <tsimonq2> Anyone else is welcome, just know that it will be a developer-focused meeting.
[13:47] <sgmoore> I am traveling Friday for lfnw..
[13:47] <tsimonq2> ahhhhhhh right okay
[13:47] <tsimonq2> Release day? ;)
[13:48] <sgmoore> I really didn't have a choice in the matter
[13:48] <sgmoore> I have a six hour drive then the flights..
[13:49] <tsimonq2> Not a problem, just trying to figure out the best, earliest time we could all meet :)
[13:50] <tsimonq2> Alternatively, I could just throw together a document somewhere, and we could coordinate async?
[13:51] <sgmoore> That would be ideal for me, just the timing with the conference is less than ideal.
[13:54] <tsimonq2> Okay, sounds good!
[14:44] <mmikowski> tsimonq2 I think an async doc followed by a meeting might make sense. I'm happy to help.


[13:14] <chaitanyabhardwa> lococouncil
[13:14] <chaitanyabhardwa> !lococouncil
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