[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:13] <gawin> Hi there, I have a question about using fdisk and fstab in my Ubuntu Server 8.04
[08:14] <gawin> every time I reboot my server the two HD's get mixed up... so /dev/sda becomes /dev/sdb and b becomes a
[08:15] <gawin> unfortunately the switching is quite random...
[08:15] <gawin> What could cause this problem?
[08:16] <nijaba> gawin: I do not know what could cause it, but I believe you can fix that by specifying uuid in your fstab
[08:16] <gawin> how can I retrieve the uuid?
[08:18] <nijaba> gawin: vol_id -u /dev/sdXX should work
[08:18] <gawin> thx, (server is rebooting now, so I'll try that in a moment)
[08:29] <gawin> great it seems to work just fine, thx Nijaba ;-)
[08:29] <nijaba> gawin: np, my pleasure
[08:29] <gawin> (I do have to reboot a few more times of course, but so far so good, fingers crossed)
[08:30]  * nijaba crossing fingers for you as well, but pretty confident uuids won't jump too much
[08:31] <gawin> yeah, would be rather inconvenient if uuid start reinventing themselves :-)
[08:34] <Dedi> any way to forcecheck reiserfs and autofix everything on boot? (touch /forcefsck will not fix it afaik) ?
[09:01] <ganes> ubuntu server didnt have gdm why?
[09:07] <ara> hello, there is a small bug (localization stuff) in the page http://start.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[09:07] <ara> where should I report it?
[09:15] <ganes> i installed ubuntu server 8.04 but it is going only to command mode .. is it correct or not
[09:15] <ara> reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/290847
[09:37] <nijaba> ganes: yep, no X server by design, see http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/security
[09:47] <ganes> nijaba,why they have not added the gdm like redhat .. this link i already gone through
[09:47] <ganes> nijaba, is there any specific reson..
[09:48] <nijaba> ganes: that's unwise in terms of security and you still have the choice to install what interface you like
[09:49] <ganes> nijaba, while installing it is not asking any kind of gdm or kdm desktop..
[09:49] <ogra> nijaba, you should probably make the first sentence there: "By design, Ubuntu Server Edition does not include an X server or any graphical desktop applications."
[09:49] <hads> Yes
[09:49] <nijaba> ganes: no and that's on purpose
[09:50] <ganes> nijaba, im not getting
[09:50] <ogra> might be that people dont know what an X server is :)
[09:50] <ganes> nijaba, server cd has that package or not
[09:50] <hads> As it's not installed on a server by defualt I don't imagine the packages are on the CD
[09:51] <ganes> nijaba, server cd has the gdm package or not .. otherwise we need to install it manually from repo..
[09:51] <nijaba> hads: correct
[09:51] <ogra> ganes, no graphical apps at all
[09:51] <nijaba> ganes: right, you'll need to get it from repos
[09:51] <hads> OR just not install it :)
[09:51] <ogra> :)
[09:52] <ganes> nijaba, my question is redhat is giving why not from ubuntu
[09:52] <ganes> ogra, if gdm is there it will be easy to configure
[09:52] <ogra> ganes, its wasting resources
[09:52] <nijaba> ganes: beacause we deliberately chose not to be another RedHat?
[09:53] <ogra> adding more attacink points for security issues ...
[09:53] <Koon> ganes: because we are better than RedHat ?
[09:53] <ogra> *attacking
[09:54] <ogra> if you want a GUI driven server i'd honestly go with the desktop CD and install the server apps you want
[09:54] <ganes> is the ubuntu server installed any major institutes or any concern ..whats the feedback from them
[09:54] <ganes> Koon, i want to install this on my server
[09:55]  * hads has trouble deciphering
[09:55] <ogra> ganes, how about that  ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/13/wikimedia_goes_ubuntu/
[09:56] <Koon> ganes: we have pretty big installs - and the bigger the happier they are with us leaving out X
[09:56] <ogra> hads, he wants to see customer feedback
[09:56] <ganes> ogra, ya
[09:57] <maswan> on the server, you want remote (serial/serial over lan) console, not gdm
[09:57] <maswan> at least for any bigger install
[09:57]  * maswan manages a few dozen racks
[09:57] <ganes> my self compiled the kernel which you are using by just putting your config file .. but it is asking lot of queries
[09:58] <ganes> ogra, i just copied your config file & gave make oldconfig .. after it is asking questions
[09:58] <ogra> ganes, there is #ubuntu-kernel for kernel questions :)
[09:59] <ganes> ogra, i will be back after testing this server
[10:17] <nijaba> ogra: suggestion added to the security page, thanks
[10:18] <ogra> :)
[13:14] <wo0f_> hi guys
[13:14] <wo0f_> i need to setup a nx server
[13:15] <wo0f_> does anyone know of a good tutorial that actually works?
[13:15] <wo0f_> (also, will, freenx be in the 8.10 repo?)
[14:26] <Ergo^> hello
[14:26] <Ergo^> is it safe to upgrade the 8.04 server to 8.10 ?
[14:27] <slangasek> Ergo^: please read the release notes and decide for yourself
[14:27] <slangasek> it's "safe", but it may not be the right decision for all server users
[14:27] <Ergo^> i was asking out of "something breaks" situation, im the sole "user" of the machine
[14:28] <Ergo^> so i run apt-get dist-upgrade ? thats all ?
[14:29] <Ergo^> nevermind
[14:29]  * Ergo^ starts reading docs
[14:29] <slangasek> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading documents the recommended upgrade path
[14:30] <Ergo^> thank you
[14:30] <ciapsadm> Hi
[14:31] <ciapsadm> How do I know that the user name of the database:
[14:31] <ciapsadm> Access denied for user 'ciapsadm'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[14:35] <Ergo^> updating, hope all goes well :]
[15:43]  * nijaba loves new invalid bugs :)
[15:44] <Koon> and I like old, just-invalidated things to appear as "New bug"
[15:44] <Koon> uvirtbot needs the 100.000km revision.
[15:44] <Koon> yeah yeah, right
[15:44] <Koon> you can run but you cannot hide.
[15:44] <nijaba> :D
[17:35] <brewmaster> anyone have any recommendations for shared hosting based in the US tri-state area?  the internet is so saturated with hosting companies...
[17:40] <ciapsadm> Hi
[17:41] <ciapsadm> How do I know that the user name of the database:
[17:52] <ShawnR> I am trying to install ubuntu server 8.10 and when trying to format a software RAID 1, it goes right to 33% and stops.  I noticed that new in 8.10 are some software RAID enhancements (it installed fine when I put on debian etch a month ago)
[18:10] <J-_> "Error: Configuration file missing and /var/www/wp-content directory (/var/www/wp-content) is not writable by the Web server." What should I do? Can I make it writable by the server and keep it secure at the same time so others can't write to it too?
[18:14] <yann2> soren > my best guess about the bug is that the format virt install uses is very close to qcow2, but not *exactly* the same
[18:15] <yann2> in other words, sometimes it will work, sometimes it wont... converting to qcow2 is a good thing to do
[18:15] <yann2> I downgraded my KVM host to kvm-62 and all the tools with it, and will start putting some windows vms on prod :)
[18:44] <HellMind> where is the netinstall ?
[18:52] <HellMind> gusssssssssssss
[18:52] <HellMind> Where can I get the smallest installer
[19:04] <Wavesonics> hola. hey isn't 8.10 server suppose to be able to do software RAID? I can't find the others in the server install
[19:04] <Wavesonics> others = option
[19:28] <HellMind> Can I convert the regular ubuntu into a server one?
[19:28] <tonyyarusso> HellMind: sure.  It's just a matter of installing server packages, and optionally, removing X and friends.
[19:29] <HellMind> then chaging the repertories of apt will do the trick?
[19:30] <tonyyarusso> You use the same repositories.
[19:31] <Wavesonics> If I format my system with ext4, can Ubuntu install and run from it?
[19:32] <Wavesonics> just point ubuntu at it during the install, not ask it to install
[19:32] <tonyyarusso> I don't think ext4 is supported yet, no.
[19:32] <tonyyarusso> You mightbe able to do it, but I don't know anyone who would recommend it or be able to tell you how.
[19:34] <Wavesonics> but I'll be able to upgrade form ext3 to ext4 at a later point?
[19:34] <Wavesonics> mkfs in 8.10 supports it *shrug*
[19:35] <Wavesonics> mkfs.ext4
[19:35] <tonyyarusso> Perhaps it is then.  Haven't really looked into it myself.
[19:35] <Wavesonics> well il give it a try and let u all know
[19:35] <Deeps> you may end up wiping your filesystem if you mkfs.ext4 on it
[19:36] <greenfly> last I heard ext4 was still experimental
[19:36] <Wavesonics> Linus promoted it from devext4 to just ext4
[19:36] <Wavesonics> and Fedora has been using it for a while now
[19:36]  * greenfly shrugs it's your data
[19:36] <Wavesonics> ya idk
[19:37] <Wavesonics> it's a clean drive ATM
[19:37] <Deeps> wikipedia suggests that ext4 is officially stable as of october 21st
[19:37] <greenfly> my recommendation is to stick with a more stable file system unless you have an express need for some feature in ext4
[19:37] <Wavesonics> but a ext3 drive can be upgrade to ext4 with out formating it right?
[19:37] <greenfly> dunno, ext2->ext3 was
[19:37] <Deeps> A preliminary development snapshot of ext4 was included in version 2.6.19 of the Linux kernel. On Oct 11, 2008, the patches[4] that mark ext4 as stable code were merged in the Linux 2.6.28 source code repositories, marking the end of the development phase and recommending its adoption.
[19:37] <Wavesonics> it's for a file server, so the extends in ext4 would be nice for my large files
[19:38] <Wavesonics> ah cool
[19:38] <Wavesonics> thanks Deeps
[19:38] <greenfly> whether someone decided to call it stable or not I'd still be leery of something like that for important data until it makes the rounds a bit longer
[19:38] <greenfly> but that's just me
[19:38] <Wavesonics> i hear ya greenfly
[19:38] <greenfly> if you have lots of large files XFS might be the best choice
[19:38] <Deeps> and yeah, it's possible you can just mount -t ext4 on an ext3 fs
[19:38] <Deeps> and then have the new features available to you
[19:38] <tonyyarusso> Anyone know what the rationale was for choosing Bacula over Amanda?
[19:39] <greenfly> cooler name?
[19:39] <greenfly> halloween release?
[19:39] <Wavesonics> Deeps, just that just mount it, or does it actually modify the FS to be ext4?
[19:40] <Deeps> well, you can take an ext2 filesystem and mount it as ext3 to take advantage of journalling
[19:40] <Deeps> and thus it 'becomes' ext3
[19:40] <Deeps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Backward_compatibility
[19:40]  * Deeps shrugs
[19:41] <Wavesonics> hhmmm
[19:41] <Wavesonics> i guess my question is, does it physicaly modify the FS so it actually *is* ext4 there after
[19:41] <greenfly> I thought you had to use mkfs on an ext2 partition to add journaling
[19:47] <Wavesonics> ok
[19:47] <Wavesonics> i got another question for yall :)
[19:47] <Wavesonics> i just followed this tutorial with the live desktop CD ( http://www.howtoforge.com/install-ubuntu-with-software-raid-10 ) to set up my drive partitions for RAID 10
[19:47] <Wavesonics> but the last bit of the tutorial is for Ubuntu Desktop
[19:48] <Wavesonics> and I want to do Ubuntu Server
[19:48] <Wavesonics> so how can I have the server install read my RAID10 array and install to it
[19:57] <Wavesonics> the minimum size for my boot partition is 31 GB!
[20:00] <slicslak> i don't think that some lamp related apps were installed right.  if I use tasksel to deselect LAMP and then select LAMP will my /etc configs remain the same?
[20:15] <slicslak> nah, didn't touch them. pefrect
[20:40] <tonyyarusso> I'd like to have some sort of versioning to keep track of changes to files in /etc and allow for rollback.  What are some of the options for accomplishing this?
[20:42] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: simplest one I know of is the etckeeper package
[20:45] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: hrm, seems reasonable.
[20:47] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: is it possible with that to say things like "restore $file to $day&time", or do you have to look up a version number manually
[20:47] <tonyyarusso> ?
[20:47] <jimcooncat> ajmitch: is etckeeper available for hardy?
[20:48] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: I have no idea :)
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[20:49] <ajmitch> jimcooncat: looks to be in hardy universe
[20:49] <jimcooncat> tonyyarusso: must be a way to do that with bash or perl
[20:49] <jimcooncat> thanks ajmitch
[20:50] <jimcooncat> it looks interesting. I'm trying to find a way to push configs out to other servers -- maybe make a metapackage with a postint that writes a custom config file?
[20:51] <ajmitch> look at puppet
[20:51] <ajmitch> again, I haven't used it, but have heard it's very useful
[20:51] <jimcooncat> ajmitch: I've looked at it but can't grok it; I guess I'll install it and play
[21:00] <lool> Hey; I wonder whether ubuntu-vm-builder --in-place should be creating any file in /tmp?  With verbose I see: 2008-10-30 21:58:24,859 INFO     Creating disk image: /tmp/vmbuilder6rA6Qe/disk0.img
[21:00] <lool> So it would seem like --in-place is ignored?!
[21:01] <ogra> well, the .img is in a place :)
[21:04] <lool> Hmm there's little difference between vmbuilder and ubuntu-vm-builder
[21:04] <lool> --help output are quite similar, but not identical and the contents of the wrapper as well
[21:04] <lool> But there's no man page for ubuntu-vm-builder
[21:12] <ogra> how does it pass lintian then ?
[21:14] <lool> ogra: It passes lintian?
[21:14] <ogra> no idea, i thought its in main
[21:14] <ogra> it should pass lintian :)
[21:15] <lool> In my experience, lots of stuff in main is far from passing lintian :-(
[21:15] <lool> ogra: Do we have an ubuntu wide lintian instance?
[21:16] <ogra> no
[21:16] <ogra> i check my packages from time to time
[21:16] <ogra> and i'd expect others to do that too
[21:16] <ogra> but indeed i might assume to much :)
[21:17] <lool> I run lintian on every build; I don't always fix stuff which I didn't break
[21:21] <tonyyarusso> My package has somehow ended up broken due to changes in its dependencies when the package itself is identical.  That's a bit annoying.
[21:26] <ajmitch> lool: only documentation I can see on it is in the server guide & the wiki
[21:36] <ShawnR> i've checked the MD5 of the iso, even burned at like 12x and on 3 diff drives, the CD does not pass the CD check, what gives?
[21:44] <dekkong> Hello everyone
[21:45] <dekkong>  I have a friend that wants an good linux server distribution, he wants to run a dc++ hub, teamspeak server, good firewall what would your recommend?
[21:45] <hads> You're in the ubuntu-server channel :)
[21:45] <dekkong> hads: talking to me? :)
[21:46] <hads> Indeed
[21:46] <dekkong> hads: yeah i know I just need som opinions :)
[21:47] <ShawnR> i think most opinions in here, would point to ubuntu server
[21:47] <dekkong> ShawnR: yes i'm downloading it atm
[21:47] <ogra> well, indeed you will get great reputation for rh enterprise server or SLES here :P
[21:50] <ShawnR> burning an ISO at 8x makes me wonder how we ever got through the late 90s
[21:50] <spiekey> hi
[21:50] <spiekey> could anyone please help me with this dep problem please? http://pastebin.com/m53e18cf9
[21:50] <spiekey> i seem to run around in a circle
[21:51] <dekkong> ok .. but this is how it goes ... a friend of mine wanted a linux server so he could use it as a "firewall" and that he could host dc++ server, teamspeak server
[21:51] <ShawnR> i didn't know DC++ was still going
[21:51] <hads> All Linux distributions use iptables so the firewall part is moot
[21:52] <ShawnR> i ran a TS server on a 500mhz celeron running Win 2k Pro.... any of those services you ask for, pretty much will run on any box
[21:52] <ShawnR> so it kinda depends on what you wanna play with
[21:53] <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[22:08] <spiekey> i keep geeting; W: GPG error: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:08] <spiekey> any idea how to fix this?
[22:48] <Paulrf> Anyone know a fix for the Intel GV910GL video issue with the 8.10 upgrade?
[22:49] <soren> What issue might that be?
[22:52] <Paulrf> Video was working fine - all generic linux drivers...
[22:52] <Paulrf> Installed 8.10 and now video is corrupt...
[22:52] <andol> spiekey: Usually that's just temporay, as the mirror updates. Still, I guess you could test what happen if you use another mirror?
[22:53] <Paulrf> From on another channel, issue seems to be typical with intel drivers
[22:55] <soren> Paulrf: When you say "video is corrupt"... What do you mean, exactly?
[22:56] <Paulrf> Login prompt is at very top of display, but X starts.
[22:57] <Paulrf> After you log in, display is in 3 vertical sections, about 1/3rd each.
[22:57] <soren> How is this related to ubuntu server?
[22:57] <Paulrf> Perhaps it isn't, other than the fact that I'm running ubuntu server
[22:57] <Paulrf> is there a better channel?
[22:58] <soren> #ubuntu sounds like a good place.
[22:58] <soren> " For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu "  <---- from /TOPIC
[22:58] <Paulrf> Okay.. I was trying to avoid them - the scroll is so fast, they didn't even see my message
[22:58] <Paulrf> sorry..
[22:58] <Paulrf> thanks
[22:58] <soren> Contrary to popular belief, that doesn't magically make things on topic in other channels..
[23:01] <ajmitch> beer does...
[23:02] <ajmitch> at least that seems to be the rule on the NZNOG mailing list :)
[23:03] <soren> Hrm... Yes, that might be true :)
[23:29] <zul> soren: you missed yesterday when someone on #ubuntu-server asked how to be unbanned from the #mandrake channels
[23:35] <_Desp> hi all
[23:35] <_Desp> I just upgrade to Ibex and I got that error:
[23:35] <_Desp> apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so into server
[23:36] <_Desp> apache2 looking for libperl.so.5.8 and Ibex upgraded this libperl to libperl.so.5.10
[23:36] <_Desp> any ideas please ?
[23:38] <_Desp> hrmmmmm
[23:38] <_Desp> is it a bug ?
[23:40] <_Desp> 130 users just idle here huh
[23:40] <andol> _Desp: Well, if I were to guess...
[23:41] <andol> _Desp: It's an upgrade an not a clean install? Perhaps some old, not entirely compatible, configuration which remains. Tried purging and reinstalling mod_perl?
[23:44] <andol> _Desp: Anyhow, I just installed mod_perl2 on my intrepid computer, and apache didn't seem to have any trouble loading it.
[23:54] <tonyyarusso> Has anyone used Untangle, and if so how does it compare to Ubuntu with eBox (or something else)?  Someone I work with is planning to use Untangle for ease of administration, but I haven't messed with it or the other server pseudo-GUIs before.


[00:09] <benji> XXX?
[00:09] <benji> oops, wrong chan
[06:02] <wgrant> Morning lifeless.
[06:02] <wgrant> Your hostname confounds me.
[06:03] <lifeless> I'm at denhaag
[06:03] <lifeless> or in den haag
[06:04] <lifeless> GNU Hackers Meeting is on today + tomorrow
[06:04] <wgrant> Ahh, forgot that.
[06:04] <lifeless> :P
[06:04] <lifeless> so I know have a very good handle on search
[06:04] <lifeless> it *may* be a tsearch2 bug
[06:04] <wgrant> Excellent!
[06:04] <lifeless> or it may be structural and unfixable
[06:05] <wgrant> :(
[06:05] <lifeless> [unfixable in tsearch2]
[06:05] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:06] <lifeless> short version: fti selectivity is important to speed
[06:06] <lifeless> [duh]
[06:06] <wgrant> Remarkable!
[06:06] <lifeless> longer version: having a where clause with an index that doesn't support the order clause is slow
[06:07] <lifeless> unless the selectivity is fantastic
[06:09] <lifeless> more detail still
[06:09] <lifeless> we're doing an foo|bar|baz query
[06:09] <lifeless> so that we don't filter out bugs that only match 2 out of three terms.
[06:09] <lifeless> guess what this does to selectivity.
[06:33] <lifeless> wgrant: lpmain_staging=> SELECT count(*) FROM Bug, BugTask WHERE Bug.id = BugTask.bug AND BugTask.distribution = 1 AND Bug.fti @@ ftq('depend|eclips|error|get|instal|unmet') AND (Bug.private = FALSE OR EXISTS ( SELECT BugSubscription.bug FROM BugSubscription, TeamParticipation WHERE TeamParticipation.person = 2 AND BugSubscription.person = TeamParticipation.team AND BugSubscription.bug = Bug.id)) AND (1=1) LIMIT 40 OFFSET 0;
[06:33] <lifeless>  count
[06:33] <lifeless> --------
[06:33] <lifeless>  216995
[06:33] <lifeless> Time: 4862.303 ms
[06:34] <lifeless> lpmain_staging=> SELECT count(*) FROM Bug, BugTask WHERE Bug.id = BugTask.bug AND BugTask.distribution = 1 AND Bug.fti @@ ftq('depend&eclips&error&get&instal|&unmet') AND (Bug.private = FALSE OR EXISTS ( SELECT BugSubscription.bug FROM BugSubscription, TeamParticipation WHERE TeamParticipation.person = 2 AND BugSubscription.person = TeamParticipation.team AND BugSubscription.bug = Bug.id)) AND (1=1) LIMIT 40 OFFSET 0;
[06:34] <lifeless>   2040
[06:34] <lifeless> Time: 403.075 ms
[06:35] <wgrant> lifeless: Ow.
[06:35] <wgrant> Is that mostly due to differing indices, or mostly due to having to scan through 200000 rows?
[06:35] <lifeless> ordered by bug.heat: 383ms
[06:35] <lifeless> bingo was a doggo
[06:35] <wgrant> Pardon?
[06:36] <lifeless> 200000 rows + fti overhead (it is slower) and you're expanding not reducing the workset
[06:36] <lifeless> oh, and it is also why the search is near useless
[06:36] <wgrant> Right.
[06:37] <wgrant> lifeless: One thing: you have 'instal|&unmet' in the second query.
[06:37] <wgrant> That looks like a mistake.
[06:38] <lifeless> ok
[06:38] <lifeless> 62ms
[06:38] <wgrant> Is that missing a digit?
[06:38] <lifeless> no
[06:38] <lifeless> lpmain_staging=> SELECT bug.id FROM Bug, BugTask WHERE Bug.id = BugTask.bug AND BugTask.distribution = 1 AND Bug.fti @@ ftq('depend&eclips&error&get&instal&unmet') AND (Bug.private = FALSE OR EXISTS ( SELECT BugSubscription.bug FROM BugSubscription, TeamParticipation WHERE TeamParticipation.person = 2 AND BugSubscription.person = TeamParticipation.team AND BugSubscription.bug = Bug.id)) AND (1=1) order by bug.heat LIMIT 40 OFFSET 0;
[06:39] <lifeless> Time: 62.308 ms
[06:39] <wgrant> Wow.
[06:39] <wgrant> What if you order by rank?
[06:40] <lifeless> 64 with the old query as the rank
[06:40] <lifeless> 42 with the new
[06:41] <lifeless> of course, this is because there are no bugs matching the query
[06:41] <lifeless> what I want to do is to encode 'allow a missing term' into the fti
[06:41] <wgrant> Heh.
[06:41] <lifeless> as a stopgap
[06:42] <wgrant> That might work.
[06:42] <wgrant> How do other people do search?
[06:43] <lifeless> quikcly
[06:43] <lifeless> lucene is pretty popular
[06:44] <wgrant> Yeah, that's the main one I'm aware of.
[06:44] <lifeless> tsearch2 has the advantage of being in-db (simple) but that mean replicating it, wide rows, and less ability to isolate surges in load on other areas from it
[06:44] <lifeless> lucandra is apparently nice, but cassandra is a support nightmare atm
[06:45] <wgrant> Do any other teams within Canonical have search experience?
[06:45] <wgrant> I can't think of any :(
[06:46] <lifeless> there are some particular individuals
[06:46] <lifeless> I'm speaking with them
[06:46] <lifeless> and going to send out a more general mail once I marshall all my data and ideas
[06:46] <wgrant> Excellent.
[06:47]  * wgrant vanishes.
[06:47] <lifeless> ciao
[06:48] <lifeless> ok
[06:48] <lifeless> skipping one term in each group
[06:48] <lifeless> 679ms
[06:48] <lifeless> SELECT bug.id FROM Bug, BugTask , ftq('(depend&eclips&error&get&instal&unmet)|(error&get&instal&unmet)|(depend&eclips&get&instal&unmet)|(depend&eclips&error&instal&unmet)|(depend&eclips&error&get&unmet)|(depend&eclips&error&get&instal)') as query WHERE Bug.id = BugTask.bug AND BugTask.distribution = 1 AND Bug.fti @@ query AND (Bug.private = FALSE OR EXISTS ( SELECT BugSubscription.bug FROM BugSubscription, TeamParticipation WHERE TeamPartici
[06:48] <lifeless> Time: 679.074 ms
[09:30]  * wgrant hates dodgy testrunners.
[09:31] <wgrant> I broke a test pretty badly,
[09:31] <wgrant> At the end it said:
[09:31] <wgrant> Could not communicate with subprocess
[09:31] <wgrant> Yet:
[09:31] <wgrant> Total: 63 tests, 0 failures, 0 errors in 1 minutes 1.856 seconds.
[09:36] <jelmer> wgrant: :-/
[09:36] <lifeless> wgrant: thats probably a reinvocation + failure to report to subunit properly issue
[09:37] <wgrant> lifeless: I believe so, yes.
[09:38] <wgrant> But it still seems that the top-level runner should not handle 'Could not communicate with subprocess' as an absence of tests.
[09:38] <lifeless> ack
[09:38] <lifeless> please fix! [really]
[09:38]  * wgrant has been nowhere near the testrunners.
[09:39] <lifeless> so ? its just code :)
[09:39]  * lifeless tries to provoke a bzr-hacker-ethos
[09:39] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:39] <lifeless> really
[09:40] <lifeless> jelmer pointed this out to me just now, that he sees less partitioning in the bzr team than the lp team : yet the bzr codebase is pretty close to the lp one in size
[09:40] <wgrant> Oh, I'm not scared of touching other parts of LP.
[09:40] <wgrant> But the testrunner isn't.
[09:40] <lifeless> what risks do you see in touching it ?
[09:41] <wgrant> Well, for one thing I don't know how to change the eggs.
[09:42] <lifeless> wgrant: ok, so lets recurse on that - here is what I do: I edit in place, then when happy with the result I do an upstream patch separately.
[09:42] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:42] <lifeless> changing the eggs after that is just edit the version config, and add the tar/egg to the download cache
[09:43] <lifeless> apparently buildout.cfg can do much better, but it appears that two or three people only know how it works, which adds to the barriers.
[09:43] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:43]  * lifeless was a lot happier with dropping stuff in src, but - tradeoffs
[10:24] <james_w> sketch: in the tree you are working on: bzr branch lp:zope.testrunner (or anything to get it's code version controlled), edit buildout.cfg to set develop to be ". zope.testrunner"
[10:24] <james_w> this will tell buildout that you are hacking on both projects in parallel, and it won't use distributed eggs for them
[10:25] <james_w> there are a couple of gotchas, so it can be worth editing setup.py in zope.testrunner to bump the version, and then edit versions.cfg to have that version for zope.testrunner
[10:25] <james_w> that's because buildout doesn't ensure that develop targets don't take precedence over everything else
[10:26] <james_w> I've never tested that in lp, but that's the process I worked out elsewhere
[10:26] <lifeless> james_w: _please_ make this more visible to the team - consider adding to doc/buildout or the wiki or both!
[10:26] <lifeless> I'm begging you:)
[10:26] <james_w> I don't know about getting a patched egg in to launchpad, I think there's documentation on it
[10:26] <lifeless> yes, that step is known
[10:29] <james_w> lifeless: doc/buildout already talks about develop, but as an explanation of the key, I assume that we want instructions on doing it too?
[10:31] <lifeless> its a little brief
[10:31] <lifeless> written by someone that knows it, I suspect
[10:31] <james_w> I can write something up, but I would need to test it, and I have to go checkout now
[10:31] <lifeless> have a good trip
[10:32] <james_w> lifeless: heh, thanks for pointing out my redundant code in the oops thing
[10:32] <james_w> lifeless: do I have your rs to land that change via ec2?
[10:32] <lifeless> yes
[10:33] <lifeless> r= in fact
[10:33] <james_w> thanks
[10:33] <james_w> I'll get to that once I'm back somewhere with internet
[10:34] <lifeless> no rush
[10:37] <james_w> I was thinking that it should probably remove the intentionally triggered oopses, but if something odd happens it could get very confusing
[10:37] <james_w> (in the tests for this feature)
[10:59] <wgrant> lifeless: Do we have testscenarios support in LP?
[10:59] <wgrant> (thanks for the review)
[11:01] <lifeless> wgrant: trivial to add it
[11:01] <lifeless> rmadison python-testresources
[11:01] <lifeless> python-testresources |    0.1-1.2 | hardy/universe | all
[11:01] <lifeless> python-testresources |    0.1-1.2 | jaunty/universe | all
[11:01] <lifeless> python-testresources |      0.2-1 | karmic/universe | all
[11:01] <lifeless> python-testresources |    0.2.4-1 | lucid/universe | all
[11:02] <lifeless> I think its api compatible with 0.1
[11:03] <wgrant> lifeless: Launchpad hates packages.
[11:03] <wgrant> Despite managing them...
[11:03] <lifeless> wgrant: we have dep packages for a reason
[11:03] <wgrant> True.
[11:09] <lifeless> we still add the dep to buildout for clarity
[20:27] <lifeless> hi mars


[01:56] <xubuntu82d> Hello
[01:56] <arraybolt3> xubuntu82d: Hello! Anything we can help you with?
[01:59] <xubuntu82d> No Actually, i was really grateful, wanted to thank the community. I have been distro hopping for a while and i have tried most ditros from manjaro, rhel, centos, ubuntu, kubuntu, mint and many others but xubuntu solves all the issues i have and especially the smoothness and ease to use. I love it. Thank you Xubuntu Community. I am a student
[01:59] <xubuntu82d> developer and i want to start by contributing to open-source.
[02:00] <arraybolt3> xubuntu82d: Wow, that's awesome! We're so glad to have provided something that helps! If you'd like to help contribute to Xubuntu specifically, I'd jump onto #xubuntu-devel and ask. That's where the people who make Xubuntu are at.
[02:00] <xubuntu82d> Thank you so much. I will. You guys are awesome.
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍 Thanks! (I actually don't do a whole lot with Xubuntu, that's mainly bluesabre, Unit193, and others. I am doing some QA testing though, so hopefully that will help make future releases even better!)
[02:06] <xubuntu82d> I have been using it for few weeks now and its perfect. <3
[08:01] <osboxes> helloo
[08:01] <osboxes> how are u
[17:39] <lordadhaar> fohnerfr


[18:47]  * wxl finally became a member and is ready for his official cloak :)
[18:47] <wxl> jere
[18:47] <Unit193> Can you link to you LP page?
[18:47] <wxl> oops
[18:47] <wxl> here's me https://launchpad.net/~wxl23
[18:47] <wxl> any chance i can be wxl and not wxl23?
[18:48] <wxl> wxl has been parked since 2007
[18:49] <Unit193> It's based on your IRC accountname.
[18:49] <wxl> oh well that's fine then, but i still would like to change it on launchpad if i can. wxl appears to have done nothing with his/hers membership
[18:51] <Unit193> You could ask the fine folks in #launchpad for that one, but hggdh, Pici, rest of the IRCC, ^ cloakie?
[18:51] <wxl> danke Unit193
[18:51] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:37] <Pici> wxl: Your cloak will say wxl, but I can't do anything about the launchpad page.  Give me a moment to find a staffer to apply the cloak though... also congrats on the membership :)
[19:39] <wxl> Pici: thank you thank you. lurking on #launchpad currently about the other issue ;)
[19:49] <wxl> yay i'm official
[19:49] <wxl> thanks Pici Unit193 et al :)
[19:49] <bazhang> !yay
[19:52] <Pici> yay


[05:04] <pitti> Good morning
[06:19] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[06:22] <elfy> DanChapman: I thought you had run off into the mists screaming :p
[06:22] <elfy> wb :)
[06:23] <DanChapman> elfy, i've been about. Just been really busy working on the Trojita email client :-D
[06:24] <elfy> wouldn't know - sounds like some ubuntu thing to me
[06:24] <DanChapman> hah
[06:24] <DanChapman> :-D
[06:24] <elfy> can't see us using it - we have enough trouble tracking down why ubuntu stuff ends up in our installs as it is :p
[06:28] <DanChapman> elfy, :p
[06:28] <DanChapman> so you all set for release?
[06:28]  * DanChapman thinks it's probably a bit late if not anyway
[06:29] <elfy> more or less - got to get some stuff out of our seed - ibus and changing a recommends to suggests
[06:29] <elfy> and a couple of bug fixes to land
[06:30] <elfy> DanChapman: I was actually serious - at the moment we end up with unity-control-center or something
[06:30] <elfy> looking good though :)
[06:32] <DanChapman> o.O unity-control-center?? hah that made me laugh!! awesome :-)
[06:32] <elfy> yea - we think it's hilarious ;)
[06:33] <DanChapman> ;-P
[07:01] <elfy> morning jibel
[07:10] <jibel> Good morning elfy
[11:54] <knome> balloons, around, you slacker? :)
[11:55] <knome> or if somebody else knows... there seems to be a "trusty final" milestone in the ISO tracker, when is that going to have ISO's?
[11:55] <knome> and/or should we go on with testing the daily milestone until thu?
[12:17] <jibel> knome, there will be a respin this afternoon once few important fixes are in. Expect a first set of Final sometimes in the coming hours.
[12:19] <jibel> knome, daily disabled from the tracker
[12:19] <jibel> thanks for pointing this out
[12:22] <knome> no problem :)
[12:22] <knome> we need one more fix in, hopefully we'll get that before the repins...
[12:23] <knome> cyphermox, hoi hoi!
[13:38] <cyphermox> knome: I haven't forgotten
[13:38] <knome> cyphermox, i know... i'm just pinging because i'd prefer it to get in before the next respin :)
[13:39] <cyphermox> yes :)
[14:30] <balloons> ping elopio :-0
[14:31] <balloons> knome, why I see you have pinged.. I am here
[14:31] <balloons> knome, they are still working on getting stuff to add to the spin..
[14:31]  * balloons is also impatient
[14:33] <elfy> just not as imaptient :p
[17:39] <bdmurray> jibel: why is bug 1269397 high?
[18:20] <jibel> bdmurray, hm, I think I set it high because it was a hard crash. That said, it's a corner case so lowering to medium is fine
[18:21] <bdmurray> jibel: but isn't it about trying to run a gui app without a display?
[18:25] <jibel> bdmurray, it is. But $DISPLAY can be not set for various reason and there are nicer way to tell it than crashing. For example DISPLAY is not set in my current local byobu session because I started it from a remote machine. As I said it's really a corner case.
[18:26] <bdmurray> jibel: okay, thanks
[20:32] <balloons> yay! builds
[20:32] <knome> :)
[20:32] <Letozaf_> :D
[20:33] <knome> boo! bugs
[21:56] <knome> balloons, should we report stuff against daily for upgrades?
[21:57] <balloons> knome, ohh good point. I should tell then to turn on upgrades
[22:20] <phillw> balloons: lubuntu should have built around 16:29 UTC ... still no sign, are you guys doing manual builds?
[22:20] <balloons> things are slowly coming online
[22:21] <phillw> balloons: cancel.. I see them now :)
[22:24] <balloons> :-)
[23:22] <knome> balloons!!
[23:22] <knome> 02:21  guest2152352: Step 2 of the test instructions says to set update-manager  to look 'for any newer version'.  If I ignore that step and tell it  to look for LTS versions instead, it offers 14.04.
[23:22] <knome> ^ bug in the lts testcase
[23:23] <knome> balloons, we're on it.
[23:46] <slickymaster> hey balloons
[23:46] <slickymaster> how have you been doing
[23:46] <slickymaster> ?
[23:51] <knome> balloons, fix on the branch and tracker. you slacker! i bet you are on the beach eating ice cream.
[23:52] <slickymaster> balloons, xubuntu team's commitment to the rigor is serious
[23:52] <slickymaster> ;) :P
[23:52] <knome> our commitment for 14.10 will be to bugger off balloons as much as possible
[23:52] <knome> i'll lead the troops
[23:53] <slickymaster> be afraid balloons, be very afraid
[23:53]  * knome puts the old pot on his head and grabs a whisk


[14:26] <cornelinux> I uploaded my packages to launchpad about 2 or 3 hours ago. The build was not started, yet. Does anyone know what is the status of private/commercial repositories?
[15:28] <mvo> hello, I keep getting oops (timeouts) for https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1618095/+distrotask when trying to add a snapd task to the given bug, e.g.  (Error ID: OOPS-f3af309260e3a4531fb11b41ce04cde8) . anything I can do to workaround this?
[16:20] <arges> Hi. Can I get somebody to lookup an OOPS for me
[16:20] <arges> OOPS-b6b2ad0eed760ae55eab3a931e619745
[16:21] <arges> i guess that's what i was looking for
[16:22] <cjwatson> arges: that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1475358 - a retry should work
[16:22] <arges> cjwatson: yea i'm trying to track down which package i need to retry...
[16:23] <arges> cjwatson: i just released a set of kernels, and not sure where in this OOPS it shows the package source name
[16:24] <cjwatson> arges: hm, unhelpfully I'm not sure it does, only the SPR ID.  can it wait until a little later?  it's a public holiday here today, I'm just passing through in between attempting open-heart surgery on our oven
[16:25] <arges> cjwatson: i'll just go through each bug manually thanks
[16:25] <cjwatson> cornelinux: there's been maintenance on one of our builder clouds today which has slowed a bunch of things down; not specific to private builds.  has it caught up now?
[16:25] <cjwatson> arges: we should really make those oopses show the name; a bug wouldn't go amiss, I think
[16:26] <arges> cjwatson: ok i'll file it
[16:27] <cjwatson> cornelinux: (we appear to have about a 15-minute backlog right now)
[21:56] <marcoceppi> how do I fork and open a merge request for git repos in lp?
[22:26] <blr_> marcoceppi: there's no explicit fork, you just push to your branch and propose against the target branch
[22:26] <marcoceppi> blr_: thanks!
[22:26] <blr_> might be nice to have a button, I don't know :)
[22:53] <cjwatson> We may yet do an explicit-fork operation (for better control of data sharing if nothing else), but it wasn't necessary to build the minimum viable product.
[22:53] <cjwatson> (If you'll excuse the jargon.)


[07:03] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, gnome-bluetooth was broken too?
[07:04] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh was using bluez 5 dbus api
[07:04] <darkxst> and too much to revert right now
[07:04] <ricotz> and you didnt rename the library package :\
[07:06] <ricotz> (meaning libgnome-bluetooth12 for 3.9.1)
[07:06] <ricotz> 3.9.3
[07:08] <ricotz> darkxst, please look carefully at those things, it should be fine now again
[07:08] <ricotz> this was probably breaking things while the acutal *.so.11 was gone
[07:15] <ricotz> bbl
[08:34] <ochosi> i know i've just asked that last night, but for those not reading the backlogs, has anyone experienced slow/delayed logouts in Saucy?
[11:05] <tomjon_> hello
[11:05] <tomjon_> is there anyone willing to answer few questions?
[11:56] <arpu> hello is there any teletaphy Empathy 3.9 ppa ?
[12:02] <darkxst> arpu, not yet, it will come though
[12:44] <arpu> darkxst, ok thx
[13:07] <ewet> hi, is there a way to set up the gnome activities screen to open documents with a specific application? search shows office documents but opens them up in a useless 'Documents' program rather than LibreOffice ...
[13:41] <ewet> no ideas?


[07:32] <BrianHechinger[m> What is a reasonable number for the DSP to be running at under minimal load? (ardour, no other jack plugins/applications)
[08:16] <rgh> Brian Hechinger: dsp load is how much of the audio buffer is used
[08:17] <rgh> So it totally depends on how you set up your audio backend.
[08:19] <rgh> Please remember that low latency / small buffers is only needed when monitoring your audio during recording. And only that if you don't monitor through your hardware sound device.
[08:21] <rgh> Since I hardly record / monitor live audio / midi I use a fairly large buffer (1024) and my dsp load is about 2 to 4 %
[09:17] <BrianHechinger[m> I only ask because I'm playing with Liqourix and I can now run 32/3 which uses 20% DSP (64/3 only used 10%) and unless I'm misremembering on the old system even 16/2 wasn't using that much DSP.
[17:39] <BrianHechinger[m> 12% with 64/3 (had to drop down due to xruns)
[17:39] <BrianHechinger[m> so, I guess 20% isn't too far off base.
[17:41] <rgh> Brian Hechinger: I've never got lower than 256 I think
[17:43] <BrianHechinger[m> I couldn't reasonably get below 256 with USB audio. FireWire FTW. :-D
[21:58] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: if you are doing firewire using the alsa drivers, 256 is pretty much minimum. The same device using ffado drivers will do 16/2 solidly. USB devices must have their own irq and a clear USB bus. Many new mother boards will not allow this at all. The only way around may be to add another USB port with a PCIe card. Also, whichever USB bus you are using needs to have a higher priority
[21:58] <OvenWerks> than your mouse, webcam, etc.


[01:31] <ilmari> thom: gotten around to testing hdaps on the tablet yet?
[01:31] <ilmari> (sorry to nag, but it would be cool to have the fix in edgy)
[01:46] <infinity> BenC: Hey, while you're silencing useless printks, can you drop this one to INFO?
[01:46] <infinity> [17179607.624000]  hw_random: RNG not detected
[01:47] <infinity> I get it on every boot just before my login prompt.
[01:47] <infinity> I also get this one, which seems like pretty useless end-user info:
[01:47] <infinity> [17232911.856000]  eth1: NETDEV_TX_BUSY returned; driver should report queue full via ieee_device->is_queue_full.
[01:48] <BenC> infinity: done
[01:50] <infinity> For both?
[01:51] <zul> right im off to watch lost back later
[01:53] <BenC> infinity: yeah
[01:53] <infinity> BenC: Rock on.
[01:53] <infinity> That should give me a completely silent boot now, thanks.
[02:00] <ilmari> BenC: thom doesn't seem to be responding, could you at least apply the patch in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/33950 without the tablet entry?
[02:00] <ilmari> (or with, if you agree with my guess that it's like the rest of the X40 series)
[02:04] <BenC> ilmari: We're in kernel freeze right now, so I can't accept guesses since what I put in there could very well be released
[02:04] <ilmari> BenC: the X41 change has been tested, it's just the X41 tablet we're unsure of
[02:05] <BenC> ilmari: Mark it for ubuntu-6.10 milestone and I'll see what I can do
[02:06] <ilmari> BenC: in the tag field? (sorry, haven't used malone much)
[02:07] <BenC> ilmari: There's a milestone field
[02:10] <ilmari> hm, I can't find it
[02:10] <ilmari> does it require special permissions?
[02:10] <BenC> not sure, maybe
[02:10] <ilmari> or am I just being blind/dense?
[02:44] <BenC> ilmari: changed it myself
[02:45] <ilmari> great, thanks
[05:04] <zul_> BenC: ping
[05:05] <zul_> got a vmlinux for xen patches in 2.6.19
[06:02] <infinity> zul: Around?
[06:02] <infinity> zul: xen-headers-2.6.17-5 is still lacking an arch/ directory.
[06:03] <infinity> (At least, it is on i386)
[09:06] <infinity> BenC: Alive?
[11:33] <ilmari> thom: any luck with the hdaps testing?
[11:33] <thom> ilmari: none i'm afraid - no internet at home and the relevant bits missing :(
[11:46] <ilmari> bummer
[04:03] <tarikb> can someone help me
[04:05] <tarikb> i am mising /lib/modules... autoconf.h
[04:26] <BenC> tarikb: Did you install linux-headers-`uname -r` ?
[05:14] <hub> him
[05:14] <hub> I'm trying to revuild a kernel of the git tree
[05:14] <hub> because the current one makes my laptop useless as suspend is broken
[05:15] <hub> so I try to rebuild 2.6.15-19 which is the last kernel known to work
[05:15] <hub> I get an error
[05:15] <hub> init/built-in.o: In function `try_name':
[05:15] <hub> do_mounts.c:(.text+0x4d0): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail'
[05:15] <hub> init/built-in.o: In function `name_to_dev_t':
[05:15] <hub> (.text+0x7e7): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail'
[05:15] <hub> init/built-in.o: In function `mount_block_root':
[05:15] <hub> (.init.text+0xed3): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail'
[05:15] <hub> init/built-in.o: In function `change_floppy':
[05:15] <hub> (.init.text+0x1015): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail'
[05:15] <hub> init/built-in.o: In function `parse_header':
[05:15] <hub> initramfs.c:(.init.text+0x3ff8): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail'
[05:15] <hub> arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o:(.text+0x5381): more undefined references to `__stack_chk_fail' follow
[05:15] <hub> make[2] : *** [.tmp_vmlinux1]  Error 1
[05:15] <hub> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/hub/cvslocal/ubuntu-2.6/debian/build/build-686'
[05:15] <hub> make[1] : *** [debian/stamp-build-kernel]  Error 2
[05:15] <hub> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/hub/cvslocal/ubuntu-2.6/debian/build/build-686'
[05:15] <hub> make: *** [build]  Error 2
[05:15] <zul> have you tried with building with -fno-stack-protector?
[05:16] <hub> I did fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=686
[05:17] <mjg59> You need to ensure that -fno-stack-protector is in the CFLAGS
[05:20] <hub> *sigh*
[05:21] <hub> mjg59: and where is the best place to put that in order to build a package?
[05:22] <hub> I use ubunut git tree has indicated by bcollins a few month back
[05:23] <hub> so that I can make my laptop more useful
[05:24] <BenC> hub: So edgy kernel doesn't work for you?
[05:24] <BenC> hub: Edit Makefile, and add -fno-stack-protector to CFLAGS
[05:25] <BenC> hub: The interesting thing is, if you are using git, you should read up on git-bisect and try to find the commit where suspend stopped working for you
[05:28] <hub> BenC: edgy not at all, neither has dapper past -19 anyway
[05:28] <hub> 2.6.15-19 was the last know working
[05:29] <BenC> hub: for the benefit of yourself, others and ubuntu, please try to narrow it down to a commit using git-bisect...I'll help you through the steps
[05:29] <hub> BenC: well I don't really have the *time*
[05:29] <BenC> if it's an easy fix, I may even be able to get it into dapper-proposed, and perhaps even edgy release
[05:30] <hub> even grub is fscked up
[05:30] <hub> I can't even select another kernel
[05:30] <hub> I have to edit the config file prior rebooting
[05:31] <hub> and I had to use a LiveCD to set it back because it failed
[05:31] <hub> (there is a Malone for that too)
[07:24] <hub>   CHK     usr/initramfs_list
[07:24] <hub> include/asm/byteorder.h:5:28: error: linux/compiler.h: No such file or directory
[07:24] <hub> drivers/net/ndiswrapper/.hal_exports.h.cmd:2: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[07:24] <hub> make[4] : *** [drivers/net/ndiswrapper]  Error 2
[07:24] <hub> I get the error above compiling the kernel
[07:24] <hub> *sigh*
[07:52] <BenC> hub: install mawk/gawk
[07:53] <hub> it is not in the build-dep *sigh*
[07:54] <hub> BenC: both are installed
[07:54] <ilmari> tfheen: is your thinkpad an x40?
[07:54] <hub> actually
[07:54] <BenC> hub: make sure /usr/bin/awk is using gawk
[07:55] <tfheen> ilmari: yes
[07:55] <hub> BenC: it is
[07:55] <hub> BenC: /etc/alternatives/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk
[07:55] <BenC> hub: then you have a different problem that I'm not aware of
[07:56] <ilmari> tfheen: does #61184 affect you?
[07:56] <hub> BenC: that is my problem
[07:56] <tfheen> ilmari: no, my screen brightness buttons are happy
[07:57] <hub> BenC: building a dapper kernel on edgy
[07:57] <ilmari> thom: since you seem to be the only one around with an X41 Tablet, could you check if #61184 affects it?
[07:58] <ilmari> thom: bah, never mind, that can't be tested on dapper
[08:03] <tfheen> ilmari: given that he doesn't have internet at home you might want to sms him or something
[08:03] <Icarus__> hi
[08:03] <Icarus__> there
[08:06] <ilmari> tfheen: no point, he's running dapper on it, and it works fine there
[08:06] <ilmari> its hal/gnome-power-manager/whatever doesn't interfere at all with brightness
[09:04] <marcin_ant> BenC: hi, could you tell me if is this safe at last to upgrade from dapper to edgy while I'm Asus p5b (jmicron) user?
[11:14] <hub> marcin_ant: given the pain I have with edgy, I'm not gonna say it is sagfe
[11:16] <marcin_ant> hub: well I know that edgy can be unstable etc.
[11:17] <hub> marcin_ant: I lost suspend and have other major issues
[11:17] <marcin_ant> hub: but I'm really affraid that edgy can be unusable on my mobo while there are/were problems with ich8
[11:17] <hub> and firefox 2.0rc2 is a regression
[11:20] <marcin_ant> hub: I can deal with some software problems - but problem is that with my mobo edgy can be not bootable at all
[11:21] <marcin_ant> hub: currently I use dapper and while it works pretty nice I cannot use dvd/cd drive because jmicron chipset is not supported - so it sucks because I cannot install any soft from cd and cannot make backups directly to dvd :(
[11:23] <hub> well since i have edgy I can no longer suspend to ram my laptop. this annoy me more.