[10:47] <Boogieman> so i wont see them automatically in the games section when i have kdegames deinstalled?
[10:47] <uniq> yes you would.
[10:48] <kay> You mean in the apt tools, or in the menu?
[10:48] <Boogieman> menu
[10:48] <kay> In the menu there will only be installed stuff
[10:49] <Boogieman> so what is the kdegames paket for?
[10:49] <kay> It is for "install all KDE games"
[10:49] <uniq> boogieman: every package works by itself. no need to have kdegames installed really.
[10:49] <kay> Once they are, by the means of pulling in dependencies, its job is done
[10:50] <kay> The package itself is very small if you look at it
[10:50] <uniq> yeah.. it's like kay says.. basically a shortcut for installing all the games.
[10:50] <kay> Or "kde" or "kubuntu-desktop" or "ubuntu-base"
[10:50] <uniq> sure.
[10:50] <kay> They have little by themselves, except telling apt what to install
[10:52] <kay> In Debian alike systems, e.g. Kubuntu, KDE is not just one big thing
[10:52] <kay> Instead, it is more like one program, one package
[10:52] <Boogieman> so if some paket wants to take kde-base or kubuntu-desktop or booth with it my kde will still look the same and is still workin after the deinstallation of the paket.
[10:52] <Boogieman> ?
[10:52] <kay> To avoid making you select all those manually, the meta packages achieve that
[10:53] <kay> Boogieman: Exactly
[10:53] <kay> Boogieman: Are you using Hoary or Breezy?
[10:53] <Boogieman> hoary
[10:53] <kay> Then it's fine, just cleanup and remove stuff you don't need
[10:55] <Boogieman> ok. i think then i can give kubuntu a second chance. it was scarynhg me at first because it wanted to take inportend looking pakets with it when i tried to uninstall something small and unimportend
[10:55] <kay> I agree, it doesn't look nice when it says you are about to remove something with such a big name like "kde"
[10:56] <kay> But, if you know what you are doing, this is a unique advantage, nobody else is allowing you to install KDE this finegrained
[10:57] <Unipa1> Hi, does somebody use the vnc or realvnc package from ubuntu?
[10:58] <Boogieman> yes and then you try to remove some things you dont need and you stop it every time because it want to take kde-base with it. then it is shure that you think kde will be gone after the uninstall
[11:00] <kay> Maybe the meta packages should be removed from Kubuntu after the install is finished
[11:00] <Boogieman> kay what do you mean with finegrained? that it takes pakets with it that are only importend for the installation of all things, but not for running it like kde-base or kde-games?
[11:00] <uniq> could be a good idea.
[11:00] <kay> They really only serve a purpose during development like in Breezy now
[11:01] <will> how do i add a link to the K Menu
[11:02] <kay> Boogieman: I mean that you get every program as one package and can remove it. In other systems, kdegames is all or nothing
[11:02] <kay> Boogieman: No way to only install the one game you play there
[11:02] <Boogieman> in mandrake i can install the games i want or all with kde-base *duck*
[11:03] <Boogieman> that was a nice thing with mandrake but their company politics with the special club pakets and their update system sucks
[11:04] <kay> From what I read they have made it through some hard times
[11:05] <kay> But the sponsor us, because we give you what others did for free attitude... well, it only lasts so long
[11:05] <will> can anyone tell me how to add a link to the K Menu
[11:05] <kay> will: Sorry, right click only the K menu
[11:05] <kay> You ought to see menu editor there
[11:06] <will> ah yeah! sorry, if you are in a menu. say 2 deep, you cant edit from there!! ahh!
[11:06] <Boogieman> is the paket kubuntu-desktop importend? some program i had wanted to take it with it.
[11:06] <kay> Only from the K button
[11:07] <will> or sorry, you cant ADD a new item there
[11:30] <Brazmetal> glass-eye,  hey man, remember me?
[11:30] <Brazmetal> ?
[11:38] <skaman> hi !
[11:38] <skaman> anyone experinced problems with Kuser
[11:38] <skaman> ?
[11:50] <Brazmetal> hey
[11:50] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, remember me?
[11:52] <sdogi> how exacly can you use apt-get to download the package, only download? is apt-get -d install something correct?
[11:52] <sdogi> it is bugging me a bit
[11:53] <sdogi> don't understand why i even have to become root for just downloading it
[11:53] <Zugot> because root owns /var/... blah blah blah
[11:53] <skaman> sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:54] <sdogi> yeah that will surely download a package for me :P
[11:54] <sdogi> Zugot: yeah apparently
[11:54] <sdogi> i think i'll fetch them manually
[11:54] <Brazmetal> hey, why my resolv.conf file is reset each boot? I set the dns adresses, and when i reboot the system the internet isn't working cause the values I put in the file desappeared ?
[11:55] <skaman> anyone has idea about the name of the java plugin for fireofox???
[11:56] <olive> Hello there
[11:56] <skaman> hi
[11:57] <olive> Hello there, I just have a simple question for the Kubuntu Live CD : How can I (easily) access my hard drives ? I don't see any programs to mount partition...
[11:59] <skaman> i don't think u can
[11:59] <skaman> with live cd
[11:59] <skaman> coz u have to edit etc fstab
[11:59] <skaman> but i never used the livecd
[12:00] <skaman> so maybe i'm mistaking
[12:00] <olive> I somehow managed to do it without using fstab by manually 'mount /dev' but it's somewhat crude
[12:00] <skaman> i think is the only way
[12:00] <skaman> in the "installed"kubuntu
[12:00] <skaman> u can do it bi a panel tab
[12:01] <skaman> by not by ^^


[07:45] <baptistemm> hello
[07:45] <baptistemm> good morning
[12:25] <TeTeT> asac: hi, i'm doing some research on bug 509738. Is there a bazaar repo or alike for the modemmanager builds? I consider to do a bisection to detect what causes the problem with the 3G card
[13:50] <Nafai> Hi all; reporting for duty! :)
[14:09] <didrocks>   hey Nafai ;)
[14:09] <didrocks> Nafai: are you in Portland?
[14:09] <Nafai> I wish.
[14:09] <Nafai> At home in Utah
[14:10] <didrocks> oh ok :)
[14:10] <Nafai> Today is the first day of my control though. :)
[14:10] <Nafai> s/control/contract/
[14:13] <didrocks> Nafai: :)
[14:13] <didrocks> Nafai: I guess dx team guys will ping you
[14:13] <Nafai> I figured as much
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[14:15] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, you are you? :)
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks. are you in portland this week?
[14:17] <didrocks> right :)
[14:25] <Nafai> I have a doctor appointment, I'll be back in a couple hours
[15:20] <TeTeT> asac: found it on Launchpad
[16:40] <Nafai> Back
[16:41] <Nafai> Hey rickspencer3 :)
[16:42] <rickspencer3> Hi Nafai
[17:22] <pitti> hi
[17:25] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, i'm good thanks
[17:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: thanks for pointing out the gconf breakage, sorry for that
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[17:26] <pitti> I'm great, I slept suspiciously well :)
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> i was going to fix gconf, but i can't upload it :(
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> did you have a good day today?
[17:26] <pitti> it only just started
[17:26] <pitti> -9 hours
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> ah, i didn't realise you were that many hours behind ;)
[17:27] <pitti> we are in Portland, OR now
[18:41] <pedro_> seb128, I've updated the hook on bug 418156; May you have a look into it later?
[18:42] <baptistemm> hello
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> hey baptistemm
[18:45] <seb128> pedro_, ok
[18:46] <pedro_> seb128, thank you
[18:46] <baptistemm> heya chrisccoulson
[18:46] <baptistemm> hello seb128
[18:51] <baptistemm> http://bmm80.free.fr/public/oak-lucid-20100131-4.png <-- ultra fast boot :)
[18:52] <baptistemm> I should enable autlogin to win 1 sec or 2
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm - yeah, i was just about to suggest trying with autologin
[18:53] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm - also, it seems you need to profile ureadahead too
[18:53] <baptistemm> ah
[18:54] <dpm> hey pitti, I forgot to mention it when you where here - ArneGoetje tells me it is not possible to build PPAs in the new server due to a missing LP credentials file. Do you think you could copy it over? ArneGoetje knows the details
[18:55] <seb128> baptistemm, quite impressive
[18:56] <pitti> dpm, ArneGoetje: it should give you an URL to open, where you can ack the authorization, and then press enter
[18:57] <baptistemm> seb128, isn't it? :)
[18:58] <ccheney> yipee it appears someone reverted the breakage to gweather :)
[18:58]  * ccheney just noticed it when adding locations to his clock
[18:58] <dpm> thanks pitti, ArneGoetje, will that solve the problem you were telling me about and then the PPA langpacks be built again?
[18:58] <baptistemm> the HD bandwidth is impressive, it goes to 150 MB/s
[18:59] <baptistemm> "up to"
[19:02] <ccheney> baptistemm: what kind of ssd?
[19:02]  * ccheney thinks his system boots in ~ 17s but hasn't run the program to verify it
[19:02] <ccheney> i have a regular hd though
[19:13] <baptistemm> ccheney, intel X25-m
[19:19] <baptistemm> why evolution 2.29 won't be packaged for lucid?
[19:20] <seb128> baptistemm, because lucid is a lts
[19:20] <seb128> baptistemm, and getting a rewrite in a lts is not good
[19:20] <baptistemm> a rewrite?
[19:22] <seb128> did you look at how much code changed?
[19:22] <seb128> rewritting all the bonobo code to use dbus instead...
[19:22] <seb128> and bonoboui to gtk
[19:22] <baptistemm> not at all, I don't know anything about changes in evo in 2.29
[19:23] <baptistemm> ah okay
[19:23] <baptistemm> I'm little beyond anython currently in GNOME world
[19:24] <ccheney> baptistemm: ah
[19:24] <ccheney> seb128: ah so they are getting evolution ready for gnome 3.0 :)
[19:24] <seb128> yes
[19:30] <baptistemm> ccheney, that's a terrific model :)
[19:31] <ccheney> i have a seagate 7200.4 500gb drive in my laptop, pretty fast but no ssd, heh
[19:32] <ccheney> ~ 100MB/s under hdparm but has seek time as its a hd
[19:45] <Sarvatt> shoot, got booted when I asked a question it looks like -- <Sarvatt> is gdm's :0.log supposed to contain what ~/.xsession-errors contains? the ~/.xsession-errors output seems like it should be whats in :0.log instead of the Xorg.x.log and xserver's stderr output thats in it now?
[19:53] <cyphermox> Riddell, asac told me there is something you want fixed in the packaging for the vpn plugins?
[19:58] <Riddell> cyphermox: I'd like to split out the gnome bits
[19:58] <Riddell> cyphermox: they're currently brining gnome stuff onto the kubuntu CD and we don't have the space for that
[19:58] <Riddell> it's also how suse does it so I don't think it would be a problem
[19:58] <cyphermox> Riddell, sure. I think I saw a bug about that too
[20:05] <bryce2> pitti, btw Terri and I are going out to the Widmer Pub for dinner prior to karaoke; interested in joining us?
[20:07] <pitti> bryce2: I'd love to
[20:08] <bryce2> ok, we'll be meeting up in the hotel lobby at 6:30
[20:19] <Riddell> cyphermox: how's this look? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/vpnc.diff
[20:26] <cyphermox> Riddell, looks good. It's pretty much exactly what I was going to do. I plan on working on this more later tonight though :)
[20:36] <Riddell> cyphermox: ok I'll commit to bzr and let you make any other changes you want and upload this evening
[20:37] <Riddell> cyphermox: I'll do the same for pptp and openvpn for completeness
[20:37] <cyphermox> Riddell, there is a slight issue with that
[20:38] <Riddell> cyphermox: what's that?
[20:38] <cyphermox> Riddell, do you mean that you'll upload?
[20:38] <cyphermox> also, there is also the network-manager-openconnect plugin you may be interested in
[20:39] <Riddell> cyphermox: I can upload if you want me to
[20:40] <cyphermox> Riddell, that might be wise, as I don't have any upload permissions ;)
[20:40] <Riddell> cyphermox: but you want to make more changes this evening first?
[20:41] <cyphermox> Riddell, no. from what asac had told me, I thought I was going to do the splitting of these packages
[20:42] <Riddell> cyphermox: I'm an impatient sort :)
[20:42] <Riddell> I'll upload shortly then
[20:42] <cyphermox> Riddell, that's fine. from the diff I saw it looks perfect
[20:43] <cyphermox> the only thing is how current users will install the plugins in the future: it will mean they will have to specifically install network-manager-vpnc-gnome, not just network-manager-vpnc
[20:45] <Riddell> cyphermox: well how do they know what to install currently?  asac mentioned getting them onto the CD which seems sensible
[20:46] <cyphermox> right know, I guess they look it up in synaptic.
[20:46] <Riddell> cyphermox: oh and that diff wasn't perfect, the auth dialog needed moved to -gnome and DESTDIR unset in debian/rules :)
[20:47] <cyphermox> Riddell, hard to say without looking at the full thing :)
[20:48] <cyphermox> Riddell, what I mean is, some could still try to install network-manager-vpnc and wonder why there is still no plugin available
[20:49] <Riddell> new installs I expect people to search and find the right package, upgrades are an issue, maybe a hook should be added to the dist upgrade tool
[21:04] <pitti> Riddell: bzr bd-do
[21:54] <robert_ancell> seb128, pitti, hey
[21:54] <seb128> hello robert_ancell
[21:54] <seb128> how are you?
[21:55] <pitti> hey robert_ancell, how are you?
[21:55] <robert_ancell> good, how is the sprint going?
[21:55] <pitti> quite fine so far
[21:55] <seb128> just starting a few hours ago but good so far
[21:55] <robert_ancell> any big plans?
[21:55] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell :)
[21:55] <robert_ancell> didrocks, hey
[21:55] <pitti> boot speed, and some stragglers
[21:55] <seb128> robert_ancell, out of booting in 10 seconds?
[21:56] <robert_ancell> well, you'll have that done by the end of today right? ;)
[21:56] <seb128> I was on my road to that
[21:56] <seb128> and the mini decided to break
[21:56] <robert_ancell> ug
[21:56] <seb128> I still have my laptop though
[21:56] <seb128> but no reference platform for testing anymore
[21:56] <robert_ancell> damn
[21:57] <robert_ancell> I'm currently battling plymouth+upstart.  Both seem hard to debug
[21:57] <seb128> it froze and since beep an error code on power on
[21:57] <seb128> oh?
[21:57] <robert_ancell> no spare ones there?  Have one shipped over
[21:57] <seb128> what issue do you have with it
[21:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, rick asked one for me, not sure when that will arrive though
[21:58] <robert_ancell> Is there a good log you can get from upstart after boot showing what events occurred, and what scripts were run (and the results of the scripts)
[21:58] <seb128> shame it broke at the start of the sprint; but I can work on my laptop and enough people have some of those to do testing
[21:58] <robert_ancell> It feels a bit like dpkg in that a script can fail but the best debug you get is an error code
[21:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, I've no clue about upstart but I guess you can try asking Keybuk...
[21:59] <robert_ancell> yes
[22:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[22:01] <seb128> good!
[22:01] <seb128> you?
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not bad thanks
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> how was your travelling at the weekend?
[22:01] <seb128> uneventfull which I guess is good ;-)
[22:02] <seb128> weather was ok on the road to the aiport, I had plenty of time for changing plane and we got almost no delay
[22:02] <seb128> spending 10 hours in a plane is no fun but otherwise it was ok
[22:03] <robert_ancell> Keybuk, any upstart debugging hints?
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i don't particularly enjoy long flights ;)
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> especially when driving on arrival at the destination
[22:06] <seb128> no driving required there at least ;-)
[22:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, boot question, did you work on those gnome-session delay change?
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the autostart delay stuff?
[22:07] <seb128> yes
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> i wrote a patch which works, but vuntz had some review comments on it
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> i've not addressed all of those comments yet though
[22:07] <seb128> can we get the change in lucid?
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i think so
[22:08] <seb128> ok, nice
[22:08] <seb128> do you want to do the package update?
[22:08] <seb128> or should I do it
[22:08] <seb128> that would clean a bit our charts
[22:08] <seb128> ie make those easier to read
[22:08] <seb128> so I would like to get it in today
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i can push the changes in to bzr, but i can't upload it
[22:08] <seb128> I can sponsor it no problem
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> cool, i'll work on that in a second
[22:09] <seb128> thanks!
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> my machine has ground to a halt now - i've just turned tracker on!
[22:10] <seb128> yeah, io load is not handled fine under linux
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it definately doesn't like it very much
[22:12] <seb128> is that 0.7?
[22:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'm running 0.7.18. i've got packages here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tracker-team
[22:14] <seb128> nice
[22:28] <seb128> Laney, do you have a clue about bug #515306?
[22:29] <Laney> seb128: yes, you have to patch out the tests
[22:29] <Laney> or add a build-conflicts
[22:29] <seb128> are the tests installed in the binary
[22:30] <Laney> I guess so, as the dep comes from dh_clideps
[22:30] <Laney> but they were never enabled before, and only happen now because mono-devel pulls in everything
[22:33] <Laney> I might add a configure flag in future
[22:35] <asac> pitti: whats the gnome bug number for the mm stuff?
[22:37] <Nafai> Hey djsiegel
[22:39] <seb128> kenvandine, hum, seems you didn't commit your tomboy changes to bzr which made me revert those
[22:39] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm fixing that now
[22:39] <seb128> Laney, do you plan to keep the depends in debian?
[22:40] <Laney> seb128: we already patched it
[22:40] <seb128> Laney, ok thanks
[22:40] <seb128> looking to what you did there
[22:40] <Laney> this was one of the changes I wanted you to take :)
[22:40] <seb128> is there any other one?
[22:40] <seb128> we can't sync since we are on a newer serie
[22:41] <TheMuso> djsiegel: This week I do have time to do some a11y webkit testing. What do you want tested, given that webkit was updated in lucid only last week.
[22:42] <Laney> seb128: the gmime2.4 switch, removing the requires from tomboy-addins and the build-dep cleanups
[22:42] <seb128> ok thanks
[22:42] <Laney> dunno which you alreayd have
[22:42] <seb128> I will have a look now
[22:43] <TheMuso> ;/c
[22:43] <Laney> tomboy-addins.pc.in, that is
[22:44] <kenvandine> seb128, i didn't?
[22:44] <seb128> kenvandine, apparently not
[22:44] <kenvandine> seb128, oh i pushed a new version of xchat-indicator
[22:44] <kenvandine> think you can look at it and upload again?
[22:45] <seb128> sure
[22:46] <kenvandine> thx
[22:53] <djsiegel> TheMuso: I'd like you to test webkit themes in empathy (kenvandine)
[22:55] <TheMuso> djsiegel: What themes use webkit?
[22:55] <djsiegel> TheMuso: all of them
[22:55] <djsiegel> we have a guy working on one based on Renkoo
[22:56] <TheMuso> djsiegel: ok I'll test them out.
[22:56] <djsiegel> TheMuso: I have a bug for you
[22:56] <djsiegel> TheMuso: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/392488
[22:58] <TheMuso> djsiegel: ok
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you've experienced the missing menus from the session indicator haven't you?
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> do you know what causes it yet?
[23:01] <seb128> not really
[23:01] <seb128> it's due to the services not being running
[23:02] <seb128> the bootchart show that sometime they start and exit after less than a second
[23:02] <seb128> but there is nothing in the log
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i experience it quite regularly, but the services are all running here
[23:02] <seb128> and no apport crash report
[23:02] <seb128> which menus are missing?
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> i just logged out of my session, and it left some stale indicator-* processes
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> when i logged in, both menus aren't displayed, but the processes from my previous session are still running
[23:04] <TheMuso> djsiegel: Well I enabled the blue theme, and if that uses webkit, then nothing gets read, i.e my conversation text is not spoken.
[23:05] <TheMuso> djsiegel: Sorry, the conversation text is spoken, but not the title which displays the user's nick.
[23:06] <djsiegel> TheMuso: ok
[23:07] <djsiegel> TheMuso: that sounds fixable
[23:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, interesting, I think it's a different issue
[23:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, try talking to ted about it maybe
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, that might be a coincidence
[23:09] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've pushed gnome-session to bzr now
[23:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I was just looking at right now, good timing
[23:15] <TheMuso> djsiegel: The renku theme does not read at all. All I get is "section" whenever I review the window.
[23:15] <djsiegel> TheMuso: ok, so, how do we fix it?
[23:15] <djsiegel> there must be some way to enable reading in the theme
[23:15] <djsiegel> e.g. use the proper html elements
[23:15] <djsiegel> or add attributes
[23:15] <TheMuso> djsiegel: If its using webkit, then I'd say we can't do anything atm.
[23:16] <TheMuso> My guess is that not enough webkt a11y is enabled to even read text.
[23:16] <djsiegel> hmm
[23:16] <TheMuso> Does empathy use gconf? If so, I will set the theme for empathy to classic for accessibility installs.
[23:16] <djsiegel> TheMuso: I am sure it does.
[23:16] <djsiegel> TheMuso: that sounds like an excellent approach
[23:16] <TheMuso> djsiegel: Ok thanks.
[23:17] <djsiegel> TheMuso: we have the Renkoo theme ready to use with Empathy but we are just waiting to make sure we don't damage experience for users requiring a11y
[23:17] <djsiegel> TheMuso: if you make the change of theme for accessibility installs, then kenvandine can package and enable the renkoo theme for other installs
[23:17] <djsiegel> kenvandine: ^ !!!
[23:18] <TheMuso> djsiegel: Yep, I can do that.
[23:18] <TheMuso> I think thats the best approach atm.
[23:18] <djsiegel> TheMuso: awesome
[23:18] <djsiegel> yes
[23:19] <TheMuso> tedg: is it known that the indicator applet icon is not accessible in the panel hirarchy with keybard commands?
[23:19] <TheMuso> gah typing
[23:19] <TheMuso> hyrarchy even
[23:19] <tedg> TheMuso: Yes.
[23:19] <tedg> TheMuso: We have a bug open on that.
[23:20] <tedg> TheMuso: One of the biggest thing that it's waiting on is someone deciding what key should actually open the menus.
[23:20] <TheMuso> tedg: Ok
[23:20] <seb128> tedg, alt-f3?
[23:20] <tedg> TheMuso: We'd like it to be the Alt+F1, but there's no way to get from the Application menus over.
[23:20] <TheMuso> tedg: I would think that simply tabbing to it on the panel and pressing enter should also work, as that is how I access network-manager, audio, blueetooth, etc.
[23:21] <tedg> Alt+F3 for the messaging, application one or the session/me one?
[23:21] <TheMuso> seb128: I'd agree with that.
[23:22] <tedg> TheMuso: I'm not sure why it'd work differently.  What WM are you using?  Most don't allow the panel to have focus enough to select stuff in the panel.
[23:22] <seb128> tedg, any, you can do left-right to change then no?
[23:22] <TheMuso> tedg: I am using metacity, and when the top panel has focus, I can tab between the menu bar, launchers, icons in the notification area, and the clock.
[23:23] <TheMuso> tedg: I was expecting that accessing the indicator icon would work the same way.
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - did you want to delay gnome-screensaver for 5 seconds?
[23:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, it's a work item of mine
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can do that now
[23:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: but I'm waiting for the X-Autostart-Delay: feature to land
[23:24] <tedg> TheMuso: Hmm, at least under Compiz I can't recreate that.
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it's just been uploaded
[23:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so that we can convert the existing ones and add that one easily
[23:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: \o/
[23:24] <tedg> seb128: The problem is that the panel applets are basically islands.  So it's hard to go between them.
[23:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: thanks muchly
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, can do. i can do gnome-screensaver now
[23:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that'd be lovely, if you have some time?
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's not a problem :)
[23:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: FYI, I settled modemmanager CPU usage now, and discussed the rsyslog/dd debacle; that will be a bit harder to fix, but I hope we can get it
[23:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'll upload system-config-printer and indicator-applet
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i saw the work items you added today
[23:26] <TheMuso> tedg: Well I can't do the same under compiz, since by default, accessing the panel with keyboard shortcuts is not enabled. I'll enable locally, and test myself.
[23:26] <pitti> ok, so seb128 will do indicator-applet and eds
[23:26] <pitti> so I'll fix s-c-p
[23:26] <pitti> sweeet
[23:26] <seb128> mvo, there?
[23:27] <mvo> seb128: yes
[23:27] <mvo> seb128: in a mini-sprint
[23:27] <mvo> but here
[23:27] <seb128> mvo, any objection to drop the delay option from update-notifier?
[23:28] <seb128> mvo, and to use an autostart X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay key instead
[23:28] <mvo> why? is it so fast now?
[23:28] <mvo> oh, ok
[23:28] <mvo> well, just remove it then
[23:28] <seb128> mvo, no, but your --delay delays the icon creation only
[23:28] <seb128> mvo, it still goes through gtk init, etc
[23:28] <pitti> also, this is now a canonical way to defer startup
[23:29] <seb128> mvo, will work on the change now and ping you for review and merge in a few minutes
[23:29] <mvo> sure, fine with me, just commit it to trunk or I do it
[23:29] <seb128> pitti, btw it's "X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay"
[23:29] <seb128> don't forget the -GNOME
[23:29] <pitti> yep
[23:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=30
[23:32] <pitti> ^ like that?
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's right
[23:35] <pitti> s-c-p uploaded
[23:35] <pitti> I'll do jockey as well now
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> gnome-screensaver uploaded :)
[23:37] <crimsun> bjf: ping, there are a slew of core (kernelspace) pcm fixes that Would Be Really Good to test soon; shall I push those to my branch on zinc?
[23:38] <crimsun> bjf: reports from other distros (Fedora 13, Mandriva, openSUSE) are that they fix a number of audio anomalies
[23:40] <seb128> mvo, lp:~seb128/update-notifier/delay
[23:40] <seb128> mvo, want to review it?
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> right, i must go and do some tidying up for a bit
[23:42] <bjf> crimsun, are those fixes upstream (would they be in takashi's tree?)
[23:42] <crimsun> bjf: they are as of last night, so they're in today's snapshot
[23:43] <bjf> crimsun, so are you asking for them to be put into lucid?
[23:43] <crimsun> bjf: I'm working on a bug report, and yes, it would be great to have them in lucid
[23:43] <bjf> crimsun, the lucid lbm is close to being ready
[23:44] <mvo> seb128: looking
[23:44] <bjf> crimsun, please feel free to post them to the kernel team mailing list
[23:44] <seb128> mvo, danke
[23:44] <bjf> crimsun, an request a pull
[23:44] <crimsun> bjf: surely, thanks
[23:51] <mvo> seb128: I wonder if it is still useful for say xubuntu, so ripping out the code is probably a bit much
[23:51] <mvo> but removing it from the desktop file is fine with me
[23:51] <seb128> mvo, as you want
[23:52] <seb128> mvo, chart show that the delay is sort of lame though, it's still busy since you don't really delay init but only the notification area icon there
[23:53] <seb128> mvo, let me do a version update which changes the desktop only
[23:53] <TheMuso> djsiegel: Ok the empathy theme change will be set when casper is next uploaded.
[23:54] <seb128> mvo, if I drop the update-notifier.c change can I upload? ;-)
[23:54] <seb128> mvo, xfce probably use the same .desktop though
[23:58] <asac> pitti: fyi, dcbw had some questions on the bug
[23:58] <pitti> asac: yep, saw them; will follow up