[22:11] <gdh0> hello...
[22:11] <gdh0> I'm looking for the LaptopTestingTeam. Am I at the right place ?


[19:33] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll jump on some of the summaries tonight as I am not sure how much I'll be around on Sunday...
[19:33] <pleia2> ok thanks
[19:45] <nlsthzn_work> That time of the week (end) again I see :)
[19:45] <pleia2> :)
[20:12] <akgraner> nlsthzn, yeppers


[00:03] <diddledan> I leave defender running personally
[00:03] <diddledan> I don't do third-party av tho
[00:28] <daftykins> diddledan: it just hides the icon
[00:28] <daftykins> i find it ugly :P
[07:14] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're alive
[08:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:43] <czajkowski> davmor2: just about :)
[08:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: well if you will go on booze trains and then boozing in London what do you expect ;)
[08:52] <czajkowski> I wasnt boozing in London
[08:52] <czajkowski> I went to the Ubuntu meetup and had a diet coke!
[08:52] <czajkowski> I had driven to the train station to get the train on time to get there
[08:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'll let you off then :)
[09:04] <czajkowski> gee thanks :)
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy International Day of Democracy! 😃
[11:05] <diddledan> JamesTait: I didn't vote for that!
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: That's how FPTP works, you never get what you want
[11:10] <foobarry> any mosh users in here?
[11:11] <TwistedLucidity> Me
[11:16] <foobarry> thoughts?
[11:17] <foobarry> can you scroll the screen?
[11:21] <davmor2> JamesTait, diddledan: I think this covers it right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV4oYkIeGJc
[11:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y
[11:32] <xnox> "Economy better than expected (hooray!) but biz investment still likely to be bad (boo!) and we're still probs going to cut rates. Lunch."
[11:32]  * xnox giggles
[11:35] <JamesTait> Not bad, davmor2, not bad. 😉
[11:53] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Yeah, it's just like SSH but a bit more resilient.
[11:53] <TwistedLucidity> Problem I have right now is, mosh on CentOS 6.7 updated and demand Perl 5.14, but that's not available. Shall have to downgrade
[11:53] <TwistedLucidity> I normally log into a Byobu session as well.
[18:32] <diddledan> lots of lightning outside
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> saving the thunder for later? :-)
[18:39] <diddledan> today's mr robot has me mindboggled
[18:44] <diddledan> amazon are being overt with their advertising of the echo today: http://amzn.to/2cMbhDY
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> i was just thinking i want more hardware listening to me 24x7
[18:48] <diddledan> well if you're not being listened-to by at least three people, or recording devices which are played to people later, then you're not modern
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> do other personalities count?
[18:48] <diddledan> I can't wait until google get hacked and video of me in the nuddy gets leaked all over the internet
[18:49] <diddledan> I know I've arrived when that happens
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> or your election campaign for president of the universe gets sidetracked...
[18:56] <diddledan> meh, I'd rig the election anyway so it wouldn't matter
[21:07] <diddledan> I wonder how busy the apple store in town is gonna be tomorrow...
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> shout 'stand back, he has a samsung' :-P


[08:09] <alpocr__> alguien habla español ??
[08:09] <alpocr__> anybody speak spanish ??
[08:10] <persia> Well, the channel is intended to be English-only
[08:10] <persia> That said, you could try, but I'm unsure if you'd get a great response.
[08:14] <alpocr__> ok...
[08:14] <alpocr__> is about to create a java CRUD application...


[00:36] <capnkooc> hi! i just install the ubuntu preview on a galaxy nexus build number: JDQ39, all good it finish I was on a bootloader and chose reboot
[00:36] <capnkooc> now I don't know how to return to the grub like bootloader
[00:36] <capnkooc> I'm a little lost and can boot the phone :p
[00:36] <capnkooc> can any one please point my to the right direction?
[00:38] <capnkooc> can't boot the phone*
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, grub like bootloader?
[00:39] <capnkooc> wilee-nilee, i don't know the name, I'm searching for that I probably need to reboot and back to that app but I don't now how
[00:39] <capnkooc> I just now the power volumes combo
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, That install as far as I know is not a dualboot, if it were me I would load it again, it should be just when powerd on go to ubuntu touch.
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, It is in testing might be a daily build  if tha is what you have that is problematic on your phone, just a guess
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, On my nexus7 you hold down the volumes and power on
[00:41] <capnkooc> yes, then I boot on the android bootloader from here what I need to do to start the phone on ubuntu?
[00:41] <capnkooc> wilee-nilee, If i select start the google logo loads and the phones halts
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, Sure, you used the phablet ppa and followed the instructions right?
[00:48] <capnkooc> yes everything was ok, on the installation I was on a different bootloader not the android basic one, I select the reboot options and I'm here :p
[00:50] <capnkooc> wilee-nilee, but if you want i can start again from scratch
[00:56] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, I'm not a developer or expert, however on open source and android fairly experienced. If me I would just load it again, rather than trying to fix it.
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> it should just work basically if all is good, not a bad daily, or download....etc
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> capnkooc, Anyway good luck I gotta go shop for dinner. ;)
[01:03] <capnkooc> wilee-nilee, thanks
[02:17] <RobbyF> anyway to get hands on that raring/mir unity build
[02:17] <RobbyF> all free time is spent flashing ubuntu touch
[03:08] <Cw1200> hi any one working on I8190 device porting?
[03:33] <Cw1200> hi any one working on I8190 device porting?
[03:48] <kaosphere> Hi everyone, ive got a problem restoring my andoid system after having tried ubuntu for the nexus 7, could someone give me some help? =) thx
[04:48] <theapant> I attempted to build this, by just adding the configs in the guide to the kernel defconfig and compiling. Unfortunately it just makes it past the splash and then it shuts off. Did I do something wrong? Thanks
[04:51] <mattwj2002> how is this progressing?
[04:55] <theapant> Also another question. The out directory is about 2 G while other roms are 16 ish and the final zip is 46 mb while other roms are 120 mb. Is this usual? Also how are apps distributed and installed? thanks
[06:00] <amer> hi everyone
[06:01] <amer> can anyone tell me is Ubuntu touch compatable for dell streak 5..?
[06:36] <bzoltan> pmcgowan: mhall119:  next week we will release some packaging features ... not all, because the whole packaging story is very complex
[10:46] <nik90> bzoltan: ping
[12:11] <ph0o> hi guys, is there a way to intall ubuntu-touch on a samsung ativ tab? windows 8 rt is too annyoing
[12:47] <lilstevie> ph0o, no
[12:48] <ph0o> lilstevie, crap .. :/ and a default ubuntu-desktop-image?
[12:48] <lilstevie> no
[12:49] <ph0o> lilstevie, do you need a windows 8 tablet? :P
[12:50] <lilstevie> I'm happy with my surface rt thanks
[12:50] <ph0o> you have one? AND you are happy with it?
[12:51] <ph0o> maybe i'm doing something wrong..
[12:53] <lilstevie> yes, I am very happy with my surface, gets almost as much if not slightly more use than my desktop
[12:54] <ph0o> are you using google to sync your cal, mail, etc?
[12:54] <ph0o> are there maybe some good apps i don't know? have you some tipps for me pls?
[12:59] <lilstevie> nope, I'm using exchange to do that
[13:01] <ph0o> ok .. :) thanks
[14:34] <zqrt> can i install Ubuntu in my mobile huawei ascend g600?
[14:35] <mhall119> !devices > zqrt
[14:35] <mhall119> !devices | zqrt
[14:35] <mhall119> that's what I meant to do
[14:35] <zqrt> so did you have like for any info help
[14:36] <zqrt> like=laky
[14:36] <mhall119> zqrt: if your device is on that list, it should have a link to instructions for installing
[14:36] <zqrt> leaky or not leaky?
[14:36] <mhall119> most of the device images are community developed
[14:36] <zqrt> ok can you get my the linke for the list
[14:37] <mhall119> I just did
[14:37] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[14:37] <zqrt> i will do what any one say to do
[14:37] <zqrt> thanks
[14:37] <zqrt> you did,t?
[14:37] <zqrt> on G600 ?
[14:38] <zqrt> i will do what any one say to do
[14:38] <zqrt> you get my the link
[14:38] <zqrt> ?
[14:38] <mhall119> I don't see the g600 on the list, which means nobody has started porting Ubuntu Touch to your device yet
[14:38] <zqrt> aha
[14:39] <zqrt> damm
[14:39] <zqrt> i will do it in my gs3
[14:39] <zqrt> so be it
[14:39] <zqrt> thanks agine mhall
[14:46] <mhall119> np
[16:20] <theapant> I was working on building this for ancora_tmo. I replaced frameworks av native and some media/display hardware and added the defconfigs but the phone just shut off after the splash screen. Help please? Th
[16:21] <theapant> Also what app package should be flashed or does that not exist for ubuntu touch?
[16:33] <wade|shull> any component qml specialist around?
[16:34] <theapant> Think I found the error from my first question, i forgot to change the fstab
[16:43] <DWorrall> Hello, im looking for a little help.
[16:43] <wade|shull> hello DWorrall
[16:44] <wade|shull> what kind of help ar you looking for
[16:44] <wade|shull> if it is porting help, I will be of no use
[16:44] <wade|shull> but qml coding maybe
[16:44] <DWorrall> Hey, i installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7, which is great. but i was expecting a little more. Is there a more regular linux experience i can get to or do i have to install a different version?
[16:45] <wade|shull> the way I understand it, this is full ubuntu with its own UI
[16:45] <wade|shull> also this isn't the full release as far as I understand
[16:45] <wade|shull> this is developers preview to play with
[16:45] <DWorrall> I have tried that, and it wasnt great. which is why i tried ubuntu touch. but it seems there isnt much to do on it : /.
[16:45] <wade|shull> I have a feeling it the final version will be slightly different
[16:46] <wade|shull> yeah the core apps are not fully developed yet
[16:46] <wade|shull> this is a preview for developers to play with
[16:46] <DWorrall> I am a developer, well... android developer. I was looking into this for fun.
[16:46] <DWorrall> Are there any settings i can get to? i cant seem to find anything...
[16:47] <wade|shull> I am trying to remember from the videos
[16:47] <wade|shull> swipe up from the bottom maybe
[16:47] <wade|shull> or swipe from the side
[16:47] <wade|shull> the left side
[16:47] <DWorrall> left side is quick menu, right side is app switching
[16:47] <DWorrall> bottom does nothing
[16:48] <DWorrall> and top are things liek wifi and time
[16:48] <wade|shull> hmmm
[16:48] <wade|shull> sorry, guess you can label me as the 'no help guy'
[16:48] <DWorrall> hehe its not a problem.
[16:48] <wade|shull> I want to get a 7
[16:48] <wade|shull> to play with, was it hard to flash it?
[16:49] <DWorrall> Not at all
[16:49] <DWorrall> Theres a toolkit for it
[16:49] <wade|shull> ahh, since I don't have anything to flash to, I haven't looked much into it yet
[16:49] <wade|shull> I wrestling with the qml components they made for QtCreator at the moment
[16:50] <DWorrall> the easy installer, if everything goes OK, is as simple as enabling usb debugging and clicking a button heh
[16:50] <wade|shull> wow
[16:50] <wade|shull> nice
[16:51] <DWorrall> thank the lord for virtual machines ^^
[16:52] <WebbyIT> DWorrall: if you want to be involved in development of app for Ubuntu Touch, see at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[16:52] <WebbyIT> DWorrall: for core-apps, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[16:53] <wade|shull> hey WebbyIT are you involved with the Ubuntu Touch Components?
[16:53] <DWorrall> ah thanks.
[16:53] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: nope
[16:53] <wade|shull> arg
[16:53] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: i just do some bugfix
[16:53] <wade|shull> well I have what I think is a bug
[16:53] <wade|shull> :)
[16:53] <wade|shull> posted it on askubuntu but have no response as of yet
[16:54] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: link:)
[16:54] <DWorrall> installing the non-touch version now. will let you know how it goes
[16:56] <wade|shull> http://askubuntu.com/questions/277221/ubuntu-touch-qml-tab-component-body-going-under-the-tab-header
[16:58] <wade|shull> I have some things to finish not on the computer
[16:58] <wade|shull> so I have to step away
[16:58] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: I'm sorry man, but I don't know... I'm on Ubuntu 13.04 and core-apps works as expected!
[16:58] <wade|shull> take care all
[16:58] <wade|shull> maybe I should install 13.04
[16:58] <wade|shull> the only reason I have ubuntu installed is for this
[16:59] <wade|shull> can anyone get 13.04?
[16:59] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: 13.04 is very stable, if isn't your main system you can install it
[17:00] <DWorrall> my virtual machine is 12.10
[17:00] <wade|shull> where do I donwload it?
[17:00] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: you can download from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:00] <wade|shull> thanks a lot WebbyIT I will try that next
[17:01] <wade|shull> ok bookmarked
[17:01] <wade|shull> peace out everyone
[17:01] <WebbyIT> wade|shull: you're welcome ;)
[17:01] <DWorrall> cya :)
[17:01] <DWorrall> "Erasing boot partition" taking a while lol.
[17:03] <DWorrall> Hmm, still waiting on that.
[17:03] <DWorrall> Odd
[17:05] <DWorrall> Hmm the installer doesnt seem to work. i'll re-try later
[17:36] <royale1223> http://imgur.com/gallery/vWevas9
[17:45] <dank101> No
[17:45] <dank101> ಠ_ಠ
[17:45] <dank101> spam
[17:45] <dank101> is what you did
[18:10] <dworrall> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation    on this, how long should it take to erase boot partition?
[18:19] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, Once the image is down loaded it should go fairly quickly, about the same time as loading a rom
[18:20] <wilee-nilee> more or less
[18:20] <dworrall> It hangs at erasing boot partition
[18:20] <dworrall> when i disconnect the device (after 15 mins) it sees that the device has been removed. so it knows the device is there
[18:20] <dworrall> but wont erase the boot partition
[18:22] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, THe first tome I did this a couple of months ago I had a to use the manual install the auto bricked, not sure why, but that was my experience. I just started the auto on my nexus just now.
[18:23] <dworrall> alright ill give the manual method a try. ive done this before but it looked horrid. hopefully that's been fixed
[18:24] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, When I did the manual I just removed everything in the bootloader menu first just to be sure it was wiped
[18:25] <wilee-nilee> with the bootloader menu rather than in just to be clear
[18:25] <dworrall> ok
[18:26] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, I assume you recognize what I'm saying. ;)
[18:26] <dworrall> ofcourse
[18:26] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, Cool, I figured as such. ;)
[18:31] <dworrall> just sending the userdata now
[18:31] <dworrall> quite large, around 700mb
[18:32] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, yeah it is a image close to a regular download of ubuntu.
[18:32] <wilee-nilee> in size
[18:33] <dworrall> almost done, ill let you know how it goes.
[18:33] <wilee-nilee> the auto may run fine with it wiped, I just defaulted to the manual
[18:33] <dworrall> when i last installed it, the UI was very small. Any way of changing this if the same happens?
[18:35] <dworrall> And we have linux!   And hopefully some Ubuntu soon :P.
[18:35] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, Not sure the times I tried it, the performance was so chunky I tried installing lubuntu and just gave up after awile and reloaded my custom rom.
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> more ram on mine would be helpful, mine is one gig, I have not kept up to see if this has changed in other models now, I rarely use the nexus having a dna droid cell that smokes.
[18:38] <dworrall> Yeh i need a new phone. money's short at the moment though. I'm using a HTC One V >.<
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, I would never have either without the financial aid for grad school, lol. ;)
[18:39] <dworrall> "Preparing root file system"  taking its sweet time xD
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> I just hit that point as wel
[18:42] <dworrall> mines just gone past it, so it isnt frozen. just taking its time
[18:42] <wilee-nilee> cool
[18:44] <dworrall> Firts boot config, yay it worked ^^
[18:44] <dworrall> first*
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> cool ;)
[18:50] <wilee-nilee> mine has loaded fine as well.
[18:51] <dworrall> :)
[18:51] <dworrall> Mines on, need to play around with it
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[18:53] <wilee-nilee> I have a Ethernet adapter so I can run mine straight from the router at home
[18:54] <dworrall> I'm just on wifi :P
[18:57] <wilee-nilee> still slow and fairly unresponsive here, not really usable on my end, lol, no biggie just testing.
[18:57] <dworrall> had to reboot lol. the mosue wopuld drag on the desktop but wouldnt press on the icons....
[18:57] <dworrall> and yeh im only doing it for a laugh :P
[18:58] <dworrall> did it again, oh well... lol
[18:59] <wilee-nilee> I got the terminal open and got two half of sudo in and it is just not allowing the keyboard up again or closing the terminal, lol. the touch install runs great but has limitations comparatively.
[19:00] <dworrall> something to play with i guess
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> I just figured out that hitting the power button to suspend it and then back on brought it back as usable, lol
[19:04] <dworrall> sadly not for me, still cant open anything after opening the first window
[19:05] <dworrall> i got the terminal up, wonder if theres anything i can do here
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, I ran a update upgrade just for fun the image is a daily so nothing to load, I rebooted mine, I had noticed before on another install this helped
[19:08] <dworrall> just trying that now ;)
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> I'm installing synaptic right now, I generally just use the terminal, but like having synaptic
[19:09] <dworrall> just rebooted, fingers crossed
[19:11] <dworrall> damn it seemed to work, just wont left click after around 10 seconds after booting
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> still is problematic, it will be nice if this ever runs well on the nexus, I like the android roms that are available I have tried a bunch of them and just settled on the latest releases from google rooted in general.
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> well back in goes the rom I had lol
[19:14] <dworrall> Hmmm, three-finger window dragging works
[19:14] <dworrall> but left click doesnt
[19:14] <dworrall> odd
[19:22] <LordShadowWing> Flashing Latest daily to my Gnex. Daily driver has become an old flip phone for the time being
[19:23] <dworrall> its stupid i can drag but cant click
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> I have cwm backing up the ubuntu just for kicks to see if it works.
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> dworrall, I lost my backup on the nexus of my rom, however I have it saved in windows with the google nexus kit so I gotta boot to windows.
[19:34] <dworrall> welcome back
[19:34] <LordShadowWing> The new calculator app, although functional, is broken
[19:41] <LordShadowWing> onscreen keyboard is still junk
[19:43] <WebbyIT> LordShadowWing: we're working on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1156523
[19:45] <dworrall> well i fixed my issue by installing gnome, but now its constantly left-clicking on the bottom left cornr making it almost impossible to use
[19:46] <dworrall> back to android i go
[20:09] <kheeper> hello everyone
[22:08] <IDWMaster> Hi. I have a multi-touch screen (atmel maxTouch)
[22:08] <IDWMaster> How do I get it working with Unity?
[22:08] <IDWMaster> It is listed as supported
[22:09] <IDWMaster> But multitouch gestures don't seem to be working in any applications
[22:09] <IDWMaster> And whenever I click something it still has a mouse cursor that just jumps over and clicks it, not really multitouch
[22:18] <IDWMaster> Anyone know how to get multitouch working in Ubuntu?
[22:18] <IDWMaster> For touchscreen displays?
[23:14] <wade|away> anyone around
[23:15] <wade|away> nevermind


[12:44] <narcos> Hey there. I've installed Ubuntu 12.10 on my BeagleBone, with ARMv7 CPU. I'm trying to install some packages, which complain about the lack of gcc. I've tried installing 'gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi-base' and 'gcc-4.5' packages, but the gcc binary is still not present. Do I just need to create symlink from the gcc-4.5 binary ?
[13:17] <hrw> narcos: 'apt-get install gcc' will be enough
[13:17] <narcos> hrw: That didn't seem to work, I found the answer with 'apt-get install build-essential'
[13:28] <hrw> narcos: both are fine
[13:28] <narcos> ok :)
[13:28] <narcos> ta


[00:09] <slangasek> jpds: eglibc/amd64 in accepted
[00:09] <slangasek> s/accepted/done/
[00:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: your alsa-plugins ppa upload conflicts with a same-versioned upload in karmic
[00:19] <jpds> slangasek: All installed, how do I check that what ever was broken is fixed?
[00:20] <slangasek> jpds: well, flash+pulseaudio is one; if you can play sound through the 32-bit sound plugin when other pulseaudio apps already have the sink open, then that's fixed
[00:20] <slangasek> that's the one I'm interested in personally; but presumably if you're an ia32-libs user, you have other things you can do to regression test?
[01:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: the new ia32-libs doesn't seem to contain /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so AFAICS
[02:47] <StevenK> cjwatson: Yup, that was the plan, for UNR to be in main.
[04:42] <ashbringer> Is this the right channel to ask questions about configuring debian-installer? I'd like to add packages to be installed by default on the alternate CD, and I've followed the tutorial on the wiki to generate a repository I've tested and know to be installable-from, but for some reason the pgksel/include lines in the preseed file aren't being adhered to or something. What exactly do I need to do to get extra packages installed?
[07:18] <hile> hmmh noticed that on karmic ca-certificates-java fails, if you have additional internal certs in ca-certificates.conf, or maybe it does not like the key format?
[07:18] <hile> keytool error: java.security.NoSuchAlgorithmException: SHA384withECDSA Signature not available error adding
[07:20] <hile> nevermind already reported, bug 392104
[07:23] <hile> except the report claims it's fixed in 20090629 but I saw the bug today in this version
[09:35] <alex-weej> can we add something to launchpad t
[09:35] <cjwatson> slangasek: ok, I'll rev alsa-plugins
[09:35] <alex-weej> *that detects if a user is marking a bug incomplete with that stupid stock message "we were wondering..." and punches them in the face
[09:35] <cjwatson> slangasek: IMO lib32asound2-plugins ought to ship /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so, surely?
[09:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: it's built from pulseaudio source, not alsa-lib source
[09:36] <cjwatson> libasound2-plugins: /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[09:36] <alex-weej> about 3 years ago i went round reporting /lots/ of minor bugs that have never been fixed
[09:36] <alex-weej> and idiots keep making me reconfirm them every release
[09:36] <cjwatson> ... not here?
[09:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: oh.
[09:37] <slangasek> cjwatson: then... building it from alsa-lib source would make a circular build-dep, but I guess that's ok
[09:38] <cjwatson> alsa-plugins actually
[09:39] <cjwatson> oh, I think the problem is that pulseaudio doesn't have a biarch build, so alsa-plugins can't build that module
[09:39] <cjwatson> so, um ... should I arrange to copy just *some* files from libasound2-plugins into ia32-libs, but not others?
[10:06] <cjwatson> StevenK: ok, added to component-mismatches, we'll see what happens
[11:00] <ogra> wow, did anyone try to listen to mp3's in karmic yet ?
[11:01] <ogra> mine play at double speed and are pretty jumpy here
[11:03] <Laney> what media player?
[11:03] <ogra> i tested all gstreamer based up to now, RB, banshee, totem ...
[11:04] <ogra> same with mplayer
[11:04] <ogra> sounds like a CD with a crack
[11:05] <Laney> no problems here :(
[11:05] <ogra> hmm, intresting, xine has no output at all
[11:09] <Laney> tried killing pa?
[11:09] <Laney> killall pulseaudio, I mean
[11:09] <ogra> ah, upgrading and reboot helped
[11:09] <Laney> aha
[11:09] <ogra> nah, i wouldnt be that evil to my soundserver :)
[11:10] <Laney> flash demands I do it quite often
[11:10] <ogra> works fine here
[11:10] <Laney> better so far in karmic than it was in jaunty, but I still have to do it every now and again
[11:11] <ogra> weird
[11:20] <ogra> hmm, i wonder if there is a way to make gnome-terminal pick up the shell prompt while i'm in a chroot
[11:21] <ogra> it always only shows the last dir i'm in ... given that all my chroots are in the same dir the terminals all have the same title
[11:31] <ogra> Keybuk, shouldnt dbus pick up if i'm running it in a chroot (like hal does) and not try to start ?
[11:31] <ogra> Adding new user `messagebus' (UID 103) with group `messagebus' ...
[11:31] <ogra> Not creating home directory `/var/run/dbus'.
[11:31] <ogra> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.
[11:31] <ogra> ...
[11:33] <ogra> meh... indeed i didnt have proc mounted, ignore me
[13:29] <scizzo-> hello, I was wondering..I am going through some of my old bug reports and was wondering about a 1 year old bug I commited. There is none assigned to it but is confirmed. What would actually be the best way to ask for confirmation from the various systems of that bug report? That is (hardy, gutsy, jaunty and karmic etc)?
[13:51] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: can you tell us the bug number? maybe it's an upstream bug and needs to be reported to the developers of the software.
[13:55] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: one second
[13:56] <scizzo-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/181843
[13:56] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: thank you
[14:01] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: the last comment on that bug requests confirmation if the issue still exists. that is the correct way. Additionally, the report should be set to "Incomplete" while waiting for confirmations.
[14:02] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: yes I added a comment to it to try and get confirmation if this issue still exists
[14:02] <scizzo-> since I myself am not having the issue anymore however someone else might have come across it
[14:03] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: so you have done the right thing. If there is no more confirmation for ~4 weeks you can safely close the report.
[14:05] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: sounds good
[14:05] <scizzo-> Ampelbein: thanks again
[14:05] <Ampelbein> scizzo-: you're welcome.
[16:11] <ogra> mumble, was rsyslog seeded buut not promoted yet?
[16:13] <ogra> damned and i was this >< close to have armel ltsp client setups working
[16:15] <ogra> hmm, oh, ok, -meta was only uploaded this morning
[16:17] <ogra> then i wonder why debootstrap isntally the minimal deps differently
[16:17] <ogra> *installs
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> hey there
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> I think I'm seeing a leak in X
[16:22] <ogra> put a bucket under it :)
[16:23] <WanderingKnight> xD
[16:23] <WanderingKnight> on Kubuntu 9.04 amd64, using nvidia driver
[16:24] <WanderingKnight> with kwin effects on
[16:24] <WanderingKnight> on idle, after a couple of days, /usr/bin/X is taking up over 600 MB of RAM
[16:24] <WanderingKnight> and swap usage is of 400 MB
[16:26] <ogra> well, best is to file a bug, though if its in the binary nvidia driver itself its quite unlikely someone apart from nvidia could fix it
[16:26] <WanderingKnight> yeah :/
[16:27] <jpds> WanderingKnight: Have you tried using the nouveau drivers by any chance?
[16:27] <WanderingKnight> nope, I need 3D
[16:29] <ScottK> No one NEEDS 3d.
[16:30] <ogra> 3D graphics designers do :)
[16:31] <ogra> and probably game developers ...
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> you'll need 3d when we eventually have to run gnome-shell (unless someone decides that it would be sensible to have a fallback)
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> (of course, if you're running gnome)
[16:33]  * ScottK isn't.
[16:33] <ScottK> lool: Around?
[16:41]  * chrisccoulson wishes git wasn't so hard to use
[16:43] <ogra> dont use it ;) LP can import git trees
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> ogra - i could try that i suppose. but sometimes if you write big patches in gnome, they prefer to review the work in a git branch
[16:48] <ScottK> ogra: Also (last I heard) only head, not branches which is very limiting.
[16:48]  * ScottK would love to import pkg-clamav git, but it's the packaging branch I care about ....
[17:01] <c_korn> setup.py usually installs libraries of packages to /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ but then the application cannot find it. what is going wrong here?
[17:03] <hile> for reasons I don't understand the python uses dist-packages, site-packages is not on path
[17:05] <c_korn> hile: ok, thanks
[17:07] <hile> better look for the guides and reasoning behind this change so that you do things right with it (something to do preventing package updates messing up with manually installed ones)
[17:08] <hile> maybe it was to allow compiling a python version manually, which would use dist-packages as usual, and the packaged one could exist same time, something like that?
[17:09] <hile> anyway, there are good reasons, I guess you can find the docs by googling 'dist-packages python' or similar
[17:13] <c_korn> seems to be fixed in karmic: lp 'dist-packages python'
[17:13] <c_korn> oops
[17:13] <c_korn> lp 362570
[17:24] <ogra> cjwatson, dont we need to drop Priority: important from sysklogd and klogd ?
[19:04] <ogra> wohoo !!! stgraber, i just built my first armel thin client !!
[19:08]  * ogra commits the code changes to ltsp
[19:10] <ScottK> ogra: ltsp is going to need changes for rsyslog if they aren't done already.
[19:10] <ogra> why should it need any changes
[19:11] <ScottK> ogra: I don't recall the details, but there were some ltsp specific changes in or ksyslogd package.
[19:11] <ScottK> or/our
[19:11] <ogra> there was a special case in the initscript to override /etc/default/syslogd
[19:12] <ogra> given /etc/default/syslogd vanishes with syslogd users should simply use the /etc/default file of rsyslog so we dont have anything non-standardish again
[19:13] <ScottK> OK.
[19:13] <ogra> its more a documentation issue than a code change
[19:13]  * ScottK nods.
[19:39] <stgraber> ogra: yeah !!! you can boot them as thin client now ? you still don't have PXE equivalent right ?
[19:40] <ogra> no, but the imx51 boards have redboot in flash
[19:41] <ogra> i will need o work out the right runes for tftp'ing kernel and initramfs, then it will just work
[19:44] <stgraber> ogra: nice
[19:45] <ogra> i really didnt expect the changes to be that trivial, was really nice to discover that
[19:45] <ogra> and i found an upstart induced bug :)
[20:25] <Xodiac13026> i am trying to get ubuntu to install on my desktop for some reason it wont read it or read it here and there when i load up xp it has no problem loading it how can i install ubuntu
[20:27] <Xodiac13026> ?
[20:27] <Xodiac13026> can anyone please help me
[20:29] <Xodiac13026> hello
[20:30] <Simira> Xodiac13026: this is not a support-channel. Try #ubuntu-help our your community channel
[20:30] <Xodiac13026> well all the other support channels wont help me so if you could take to them that would be appreciated
[20:31] <Xodiac13026> theres only like 7 people in it and im on my laptop with windows xp
[20:31] <Xodiac13026> trying to install to my desktop
[21:02] <ScottK> Simira: The support channel is #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-help.
[21:03] <Simira> ScottK: oh, sorry. I thought they were redirected because of the workload...
[21:09] <ebroder> Any backporters around that could ACK bug #216761? I promise I'll leave people alone about this one once it gets backported :)


[00:46] <ScottK> jussi: Congratulations.
[01:07] <c2tarun> Quintasan: ping
[01:07] <apachelogger> debfx: define not working at all
[01:08] <c2tarun> apachelogger: hey, I have a problem with quilt can u help?
[01:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the perfect diff is -urNad
[01:09] <apachelogger> depends how quick it is solvable
[01:09]  * apachelogger is about to pack and go to bed
[01:09] <c2tarun> jus one thing, in quilt there is stack of all the patches that someone is applyin. Right?
[01:10] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ^
[01:10] <c2tarun> apachelogger: when will these patches be used by upstream?
[01:11] <apachelogger> c2tarun: when you tell upstream
[01:11] <apachelogger> or
[01:12] <apachelogger> after you tell them
[01:13] <c2tarun> apachelogger: so why is it that our patch gets applied to them and then we get an error? I mean what is the point of error? there should be a message that patche applied successfully
[01:17] <apachelogger> c2tarun: you would need a rather smart artifical inteligence to decide whether a patch was applied or whether the file just changed so drastically that the patch would no longer apply
[01:17] <apachelogger> in particular too smart to realize at this time with sensible effort
[01:17] <apachelogger> hence you as packager need to subsitute
[01:17] <apachelogger> and decide on your own whether it was applied upstream or not
[01:21] <c2tarun> so after we got an error yesterday Quintasan told that patch is applied so our file is useless so we removed it. but If it is for us to decide that patch is applied or not, how come he said so?
[01:21] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ^^
[01:22] <apachelogger> he looked at the patch and the relevant source file
[01:22] <apachelogger> compared the two
[01:23] <apachelogger> and found that our patch was applied upstream
[01:23] <apachelogger> in the best case scenario the new file will just look like the one after the patch was applied
[01:23] <apachelogger> i.e. minus removed lines and plus added lines etc.
[01:24] <c2tarun> ok, one more thing,  I have the .deb file with me. What should I do now? I mean u said that our archive don't have version 2.0, so what to do?
[01:24] <apachelogger> create a debdiff and poke Quintasan with it
[01:24] <apachelogger> !debdiff
[01:25] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok, and can u please name some more packages whos latest versions we dont have in archives?
[01:26] <apachelogger> just look around at kde-apps.org or qt-apps.org
[01:27]  * apachelogger could not name an outdated package out of the top of his head
[01:27] <c2tarun> apachelogger: sure, thanks a lot :)
[01:27] <apachelogger> yw
[01:35] <c2tarun> there is an application kpassgen : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KPassGen?content=108673   i couldn't find this application in our archives, its a good application. how can I get it added to our archives?
[01:36] <apachelogger> create a new package
[01:36]  * apachelogger goes packing
[01:37] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok, then again create a debdiff and poke back in here? :)
[01:38] <apachelogger> no
[01:38] <apachelogger> !revu
[01:41] <c2tarun> apachelogger: thanks :)
[01:50] <c2tarun> I am trying to pack an application, since there was no debian folder there i tried to dh_make, but got this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/561213/
[01:51] <c2tarun> ok sorry i was in wrong folder :)
[01:55] <c2tarun> this is a changelog i created, can anyone please take a look http://paste.ubuntu.com/561217/
[03:06] <ansgar_> hi, i was hoping that 4.6 would fix my problem but it has persisted across several versions of kde. i've got a weird problem where the screen doesn't refresh or redraw properly. it's hard to explain so i've made an album here: http://imgur.com/a/yZXGp does anyone have any suggestions?
[03:07] <ansgar_> i've created a new user account to see if it helps. it had no effect.
[03:09] <ansgar_> my video card is an intel gma4500 on a latitude e6500 notebook. changing focus on the window fixes the problem, hence the camera pics, a print screen would fix the issue before it made the capture
[03:11] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp982flD6pk  <- ScottK now that is a blizzard :p  i took that video for 30 seconds and about died
[03:12] <ansgar_> it happens on gtk apps, on qt apps, on buttons, on text entry boxes (it's even happened as i've entered text here using konversation)
[03:12] <ansgar_> and obviously, it also happens on web pages
[03:17] <ansgar_> is this the right place to bring a problem like this?
[03:19] <c2tarun> Quintan: ping
[03:19] <c2tarun> Quintasan: ping
[03:31] <ansgar_> has anyone seen anything like this?
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I heard a rumour
[03:35] <nixternal> it is nothing more than a rumor
[03:35] <nixternal> what was the rumor?
[03:42] <jjesse> that he lost power due to thundersnow?
[03:42] <jjesse> or the rumor that he might be coming back to work on documentation?
[03:43] <nixternal> bzr checkout in effect
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: your return to doc work
[03:50] <nixternal> yeah, that would be a huge rumor :p
[03:50] <nixternal> who told you something like that?
[03:50] <nixternal> i know you aren't reading planet.ubuntu.com :p
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> Well, there *is* twitter
[03:52] <nixternal> twitter lies
[03:53]  * nixternal grabs his flashlight
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:54] <ScottK> nixternal: Meh.  I was stationed at NAS Keflavik, Iceland during the worst winter they'd had in over half a century.  The wind there has about 2,000 miles of clear ocean to get going before it hits.
[03:55] <nixternal> the power wants to go out so bad here...the lights have flickered so much it is like a disco in my office
[03:55] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:55] <nixternal> ScottK: oh yeah, been to Keflavik, you can have that place
[03:55] <ScottK> nixternal: I'll take the powerpc box if you really don't want it.
[03:56] <ansgar_> if anyone decides to look into my problem, i just discovered that disabling compositing appears to fix that issue.
[03:56] <nixternal> ok, we can arrange that in the next week
[03:56] <ScottK> Cool.
[03:56] <ScottK> ansgar_: Probably Intel issues.  Intel's been crap since about Intrepid.
[03:57] <nixternal> lucid is where it went south
[03:57] <ansgar_> that's too bad. i had always assumed that they would be well supported
[03:57] <ScottK> For my older Intel systems Lucid was an improvement over Karmic.
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I finally fixed my dumb plymouth nvidia issues
[03:58] <ScottK> ansgar_: They made some major changes and it's taking them a long time to get it sorted.
[03:58] <ScottK> It is, by and large, gradually improving, but it seems like it's always something.
[03:58] <nixternal> ansgar_: switch to xrender if you want compositing
[03:58] <ansgar_> i'll keep trying every now and then.
[04:01] <ansgar_> nixternal: that appears to work also. thanks. that'll at least get me drop shadows and some transparency.
[04:02] <ansgar_> a workaround is a lifesaver. that problem was so annoying. i'll get out of you guys' hair now.
[04:02] <ansgar_> thanks again
[04:05] <c2tarun> can anyone tell me the package for KDE4, i need to add that package into build-depends.
[04:07] <claydoh> sweet, my new-to-me dell laptop I am getting has Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
[04:08] <claydoh> hope it has ok graphics
[04:08] <claydoh> i wants my blur
[05:55] <nixternal> http://i.imgur.com/ahfvB.jpg how is that for some snow. we can't open our front door because the drift goes from the ground to the roof
[05:59] <DarkwingDuck> Oh jeez...
[05:59] <DarkwingDuck> I almost feel bad for wearing shorts and a T-Shirt today.
[06:07] <nixternal> i just attempted to go out in shorts. bad idea, very bad idea
[06:08] <Tm_T> ScottK: will try today
[06:09] <nixternal> i need a good video camera. we are going to go skitching in about an hour. fired up the snowmobiles, now it is time to play
[06:16] <nigelb> nixternal: omg, wow
[09:11] <c2tarun> Quintasan: ping
[09:25] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[09:33] <debfx> apachelogger: when opening a dvd it doesn't do anything (no playback, no error message)
[10:19] <alvin> The bookmark editor (in krdc, konsole,...) is misbehaving badly in KDE 4.6. Is it just me? Misbehaving = editing or adding a bookmark is very hard. You can only do it one character at a time. After each character the editor jumps to the root of the bookmarks.
[10:45] <debfx> JontheEchidna: why have you dropped the ubuntu font patch from gtk2-engines-qtcurve?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ...  Nur worked for me in the past
[11:07] <Quintasan|Droid> c2tarun: ping
[11:08] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: yup hi
[11:08] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: pong
[11:09] <Quintasan|Droid> c2tarun: about bug #408964 why are you dubling the work?
[11:09] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: doubling means?
[11:09] <Quintasan|Droid> c2tarun: When a package is in Debian and not in Ubuntu we can sync it
[11:10] <Quintasan|Droid> c2tarun: if you didnt notice I am the bug reporter and Im currently looking for sponsor in Debian
[11:10] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: i didn't knew that, I just wanted to learn some packaging, I went to kde-apps downloaded its source code and packed it. It was fun u know :)
[11:11] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: actually the fact is I am getting bored all day, so I decided lets pack something, it was good. but i dont know about the term sync? what is it?
[11:12] <Quintasan|School> damn
[11:12] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: Well, its fine but you just wasted you time in the long term :(
[11:12] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[11:12] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: these bugs contain whishes for new packages
[11:13] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: please also check if they were requested in Debian so you can submit them to Debian directly and then we can sync it
[11:13] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: If noone is currently assigned to any of these bugs and you feel like you can do it then assign yourself
[11:14] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: actually i packed one more thing, wait
[11:14] <Quintasan|School> shadeslayer: This QuasselDroid thingy FC's at connectiob
[11:15] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: hey i lost the bug number :( of the application i packed
[11:15] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: Did you assign yourself to it?
[11:15] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: yup
[11:16] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: check on your launchpad profile
[11:17] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: got it :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/710347
[11:17] <c2tarun> Quintasan|Droid: i packed it, but what to do now i dont know.
[11:17] <Quintasan|School> You should upload the changes file to REVU
[11:18] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:18] <c2tarun> actually i went to that wesite but failed to find the  upload.
[11:18] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun:  dput revu package_version_source.changes
[11:18] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: Just read it, everything is there
[11:19] <Quintasan|School> I can't help you now since I'm currently busy enough pretending to be doing something on IT classess
[11:19] <c2tarun> Quintasan|School: sure :) i'll try to finish it
[11:19] <Quintasan|School> JontheEchidna: I found that my IT classess would be a good time to bug tiriage :P
[11:20] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: You will probably have some problems at the beginning but you need to live through that and you will eventually get a hang of it
[11:20] <Quintasan|School> It's easy after a few tries :D
[11:21] <c2tarun> Quintasan|School: sure, in case of any problem i'll ask on #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu
[11:22] <Quintasan|School> shadeslayer: Do we have anything that needs mentioning in the blog post related to Project Neon?
[11:23] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: I suggest that you should try getting every new package to Debian instead
[11:24] <c2tarun> Quintasan|School: hey one thing please, getting into Debian and Getting into ubuntu have same processes or different
[11:24] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: Mostly their are the same
[11:24] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents
[11:25] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: This is actually the most helpful guide out there
[11:26] <Quintasan|School> c2tarun: what will be different is probably the Maintainer field in debian/control and version in debian/changelog
[11:27] <Quintasan|School> I don't think dependencies will change much
[11:27] <Quintasan|School> okay time's up for me
[11:27] <Quintasan|School> see you later
[11:29] <c2tarun> Quintasan|School: bye
[11:43] <alvin> I have made a short (2MB) movie of keditbookmarks 4.6 weirdness. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/296786/keditbookmarks-4.6.ogv Can anyone confirm this bug, or is there something wrong with my KDE?
[11:56] <CIA-40> [docmessages] zepires * 1218463 * (52 files in 21 dirs) Finished HEAD for now
[13:05] <Riddell> debfx: bug 693892 might be an interesting alternative to kchmviewer
[13:05] <Riddell> alvin: sorry busy testing alpha 2 candidates today
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: dont think so .... happy blogging :)
[13:06] <alvin> Riddell: That's good. Do they also contain KDE 4.6?
[13:06] <Riddell> alvin: yes
[13:07] <alvin> Good. I'm now installing dbg packages (maverick) because 4.6 does have a lot of crashes here. (But the NFS kioslave works again! I'm so happy)
[13:46] <alvin> We need a 'kubuntu-bug'... I'm tired of the message "this is not a genuine ubuntu package"
[13:46] <android> bleep
[13:49] <yofel> no, you need a apport config file and hooks for all PPA packages (not really worth the trouble IMHO)
[13:50] <Riddell> android: you have gone over to the google mobile side too?
[13:50] <android> Riddell: yup, have had it for some time now...
[13:51] <android> Riddell: just wish I could get Qt running here
[13:53] <jjesse> mmmm snowpocalypse :)
[14:55] <Riddell> brand new alpha 2 candidates for testing! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110201.1/
[14:56] <Riddell> all fresh and exciting
[15:00] <debfx> Riddell: in theory yes, but upstream doesn't support out-of-source building (the chm backend even uses private header files)
[15:00] <Riddell> debfx: ah, well there goes that idea then
[15:02] <Riddell> debfx: could you say so on the bug and close the bug?
[15:06] <Riddell> claydoh_: how's the alpha 2 info page doing?
[15:31] <Riddell> all new bluedevil out if anyone is looking for things to package
[15:31] <Riddell> (and backport)
[15:33] <c2tarun> Riddell: you mean simple packaging?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: feel free to take it up
[15:34] <shadeslayer> i can assist
[15:35] <c2tarun> Riddell:  sure then :) i wanna give it a try
[15:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: listen to Tron Legacy OST
[15:35] <shadeslayer> OMG WIN
[15:36] <shadeslayer> idk if i like the movie more or the OST
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I requested a sync (and dropped that patch) because its no longer the default gtk theme for us
[15:41] <c2tarun> Riddell: Ping
[15:49] <afiestas> Mueheh when you can guys update kamoso :p now that we have QtGst already in :p
[15:49] <Riddell> hi c2tarun
[15:49] <Riddell> sorry was busy testing CDs
[15:49] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: whats the problem? :)
[15:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "OST"?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: official sound track
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apparently kate was brutally ripped out of kdebase along with konsole
[15:51] <Riddell> kate was in kdesdk
[15:51] <c2tarun> hi Riddell
[15:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: do you have a natty machine to make the package on?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh ... why is it under kdebase now? :D
[15:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya i have a pbuilder for natty
[15:52] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kate/
[15:52] <Riddell> c2tarun: well I'm not a big fan of using pbuilder for anything other than final testing
[15:53] <Riddell> I'm sure there are ways to use it for packaging but I've never worked it out, I just use my local system or a chroot
[15:53] <Riddell> (or an ec2 machine)
[15:53] <c2tarun> Riddell: actually I am very new, and since morning i packed two packages in trial and find pbuilder quite comfortable.
[15:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: maybe you could show me how to use pbuilder :)
[15:54] <c2tarun> Riddell: and in chroot I have to uninstall all the depend* each time i quit so as to keep it clean.
[15:54] <c2tarun> Riddell: U are Riddell, what i heard about u is u are whole and sole of kubuntu :P
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon << Check the number of owned branches
[15:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: how can I show u ?
[15:56] <Riddell> c2tarun: I can set up my machine so we can both share a screen session and do it together
[15:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure :) I am just assuming that u know how to do that, coz i have no idea :P
[15:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: You are NOT using pbuilder for building packages? :O
[15:59] <c2tarun> Riddell: anyway what is there for packing?
[15:59] <Quintasan> afiestas: Whenever you can link me to source :P
[15:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: for final testing yes but for initial packaging I do it locally, pbuilder is mainly set up to simulate the build daemons as I see it
[15:59] <tazz> c2tarun, Riddell mind if i join in. I have been bugging shadeslayer for quite some time about pbuilder :p
[16:00] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:00] <Quintasan> I have a ninja pbuilder with deps installed right in so I'm not wasting any time
[16:00] <tazz> s/in./in?/
[16:00] <kubotu> tazz meant: "c2tarun, Riddell min? if i join in. I have been bugging shadeslayer for quite some time about pbuilder :p"
[16:00] <c2tarun> tazz: welcome :)
[16:00] <Riddell> tazz: you want to watch c2tarun teach me how to use pbuilder?
[16:00] <Riddell> c2tarun: where can i find your ssh key?
[16:00] <tazz> Riddell, affirmative.
[16:01] <Riddell> tazz: where can I find your ssh key?
[16:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun
[16:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:01] <Riddell> c2tarun: screen -x
[16:01] <tazz> Riddell, do i PM you my key ?
[16:02] <Riddell> tazz: better to have it in your launchpad account
[16:02] <shadeslayer> tazz: its a public key ... everyone can see it :P
[16:02] <Riddell> tazz: (public key only of course, keep the private bit private)
[16:02] <afiestas> Quintasan: ftp://ftp.solnet.ch/mirror/KDE/unstable/kamoso/2.0-alpha2/ :p
[16:02] <tazz> Riddell, i am at work, the i dont have my launchpad keys on me right now.
[16:02] <Quintasan> >unstable
[16:03] <Quintasan> apt-cache
[16:03] <Quintasan> brrr
[16:03] <tazz> shadeslayer, to avoid spamming the channel :)
[16:03] <Riddell> tazz: well any way of getting it to me is fine
[16:03] <alvin> How can I add the URL of an upstream tracker (well, bugs.kde.org) to a bug in Launchpad?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> brrr.... kate takes time to compile :S
[16:05] <Riddell> c2tarun: are you in?
[16:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya
[16:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: are you sure?  you're not in the last log
[16:07] <c2tarun> Riddell: chk now
[16:07] <alvin> I'm looking for the 'remote bug watch' button
[16:07] <Riddell> c2tarun: in the screen session?
[16:07] <Riddell> tazz: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:07] <Riddell> tazz: screen -x
[16:08] <afiestas> Quintasan: the idea is to have 2.0-final (aka stable) in a matter of weeks
[16:08] <afiestas> depends on the number of bugs we get, but alpha1 show to us that 2.0 is damn stable :p
[16:08] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya I am there now
[16:08] <Quintasan> ah k
[16:08] <Quintasan> getting to it right now
[16:08] <Riddell> c2tarun: type something
[16:09] <afiestas> test it yourself if you can :p
[16:09] <Riddell> c2tarun: excellent
[16:09] <Riddell> tazz: are you in?
[16:10] <afiestas> Riddell: yesterday I started to think what we should create something such "KDE OS group" so all people interested in KDE as in OS can work together
[16:10] <Quintasan> afiestas: QtGst as build dep or runtime dep?
[16:10] <afiestas> what do you think? there is anything like that?
[16:10] <afiestas> Quintasan: build
[16:10] <tazz> Riddell, i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/561471/
[16:10] <Riddell> c2tarun: do you know how to start packaging this?
[16:10] <c2tarun> Riddell: packaging this means?
[16:11] <Riddell> tazz: try now
[16:11] <Quintasan> Riddell just made me think that teaching packaging on a EC2 machine is a good idea
[16:11] <afiestas> Quintasan: the runtime dependencies are in: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/kamoso/repository/revisions/0dbca3cd89eb5998a777e92265494e5e411051f6/entry/README
[16:11] <Riddell> c2tarun: packaging bluedevil
[16:11] <tazz> Riddell, yes i am in.
[16:12] <Riddell> tazz: in the screen session?
[16:12] <c2tarun> Riddell: i know how to start packaging
[16:12] <tazz> i used the command 'screen -x'
[16:12] <Riddell> tazz: type something
[16:12] <tazz> i did
[16:12] <Riddell> great :)
[16:12] <tazz> :D
[16:12] <Riddell> c2tarun: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/bluedevil/1.0.2/src/bluedevil-1.0.2.tar.bz2 is the new source we want packaged
[16:13] <Quintasan> afiestas: oh god, that's a lots of deps :P
[16:13] <Riddell> c2tarun: this is a maverick machine so it'll need a natty pbuilder or similar
[16:13] <afiestas> c2tarun: take good care of bluedevil :p
[16:13] <afiestas> Quintasan: the only runtime debs are gstreamer-base and gstreamer-good
[16:14] <Riddell> c2tarun: want to go ahead and start packaging it?
[16:14] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure
[16:14] <Riddell> c2tarun: are you doing anything?
[16:15] <c2tarun> Riddell: looking at the files
[16:15] <Riddell> c2tarun: in the screen session?
[16:16] <c2tarun> Riddell: nope
[16:16] <c2tarun> Riddell: in the tarball u gave me.
[16:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: can you work in the screen session so me and tazz can watch?
[16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, that album is so old my grama already listend to it...
[16:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: meh, it seems c2tarun doesn't quite get ssh yet
[16:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ...
[16:17] <c2tarun> Quintasan: yeah :(
[16:19] <Riddell> c2tarun: ooh, something happened :)
[16:19] <Riddell> it'll need a  sudo apt-get update  to fix those missing packages
[16:19] <c2tarun> i tried to install ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:19] <tazz> i see a couple of 404s
[16:21] <Riddell> c2tarun: best install ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:22] <c2tarun> Riddell: which configuration?
[16:22] <Riddell> c2tarun: No configuration
[16:22] <Quintasan> afiestas: can you grab latest packaging of kamoso in Ubuntu and tell me if the patches are still needed there?
[16:22] <Riddell> that debconf popup is annoying
[16:24] <afiestas> Quintasan: where can I see them?
[16:24] <Quintasan> wait, let me upload them
[16:25] <c2tarun> Riddell: one question, how can we get bluedevil-1.0.2 files?
[16:26] <Riddell> c2tarun: wget ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/bluedevil/1.0.2/src/bluedevil-1.0.2.tar.bz2
[16:26] <Riddell> wget is one of my favourite command line programmes :)
[16:27] <Quintasan> afiestas: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/
[16:27] <Quintasan> afiestas: armel-qmax-fix, ( this is probably needed), kubuntu_01_.... and vlc11-build-fix
[16:28] <tazz> same here...
[16:28] <Quintasan> ffff
[16:29] <Riddell> c2tarun: stuck?
[16:30] <Riddell> ooh that worked :)
[16:30] <c2tarun> Riddell: :)
[16:31] <tazz> next time use tar -jxvf
[16:31] <Riddell> yes, tar can do the bunzip2 step for you
[16:31] <afiestas> Quintasan: I don't understand this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/kubuntu_01_fix_compile.diff
[16:31] <c2tarun> tazz Riddell: ok sure :)
[16:31] <afiestas> why replace colorCount by a hardcode value?
[16:32] <Quintasan> afiestas:   * Add kubuntu_01_fix_compile.diff to cope with GCC changes that cause Kamoso to FTBFS
[16:32] <Quintasan> afiestas: from changelog
[16:32] <Quintasan> I guess it is useless now
[16:32] <afiestas> FTBFS ? :$
[16:32] <Quintasan> Fails To Build From Source
[16:32] <maco> tazz: tar knows to bunzip, no need to give it the -j
[16:32] <Riddell> afiestas: silly acronym for "compile error"
[16:33] <afiestas> http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/armel-qmax-fix <--this should still be valid, I will include it for alpha2+1
[16:33] <Quintasan> Awesome
[16:33] <Quintasan> afiestas: GStreamer: WARNING: interface library not found
[16:33] <tazz> maco, i am probably a old school guy ^^ lol
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: you're missing a package, just a second and I can tell you what it is
[16:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: line earlier say it found gsteamer :O
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> but not the plugin libraries
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev
[16:34] <Quintasan> I think good are needed to
[16:34] <Quintasan> too*
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be needed as a build-dep, I don't think
[16:36] <c2tarun> Riddell: should I change the name in changelog?
[16:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: no but the version number needs changed
[16:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: oh I see, the "Ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bit should be your name and e-mail
[16:37] <Quintasan> afiestas: okay, stuff builds without patching, I guess I will refresh the ARM one
[16:37] <Quintasan> afiestas: the rest is not needed for now?
[16:37] <afiestas> the vlc not (we don't use vlc anymore)
[16:38] <afiestas> vlc-fix not, compile-fix (colourCount) not, arm maybe
[16:38] <c2tarun> Riddell tazz: can you please check the version number?
[16:38] <Riddell> c2tarun: perfect
[16:41] <c2tarun> Riddell: how can i check that is there any pbuilder env there or not?
[16:42] <Riddell> c2tarun: there's nothing there, this is a new machine
[16:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok so i'll create a natty one
[16:42] <Riddell> I'm in the meeting now
[16:43] <Riddell> go ahead, if you get stuck ask tazz or shadeslayer or Quintasan or anyone
[16:43] <Riddell> back in 20 minutes
[16:43] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure
[16:43] <Quintasan> WTF
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://java.net/projects/hudson/lists/dev/archive/2011-02/message/0
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ROFL
[16:43] <shadeslayer> read the whole thread
[16:48] <c2tarun> how can i conver *.tar to *.tar.gz?
[16:48] <Quintasan> what on earth is going on
[16:49] <Quintasan> vim is borken
[16:49] <c2tarun> Quintasan: actually I bunziped the *.bz2 to *.tar then *.tar to *.orig.tar
[16:50] <Quintasan> lol
[16:50] <c2tarun> Quintasan: oh.. i thought u talking with me.
[16:50] <Quintasan> c2tarun: dude, what on earth are you trying to do?
[16:50] <Quintasan> c2tarun: if you want to unpack the source just unpack it with tar
[16:51] <Quintasan> c2tarun: the .orig. is added with "mv"
[16:51] <Quintasan> like mv source-2.0.tar.gz source_2.0.orig.tar.gz
[16:51] <Quintasan> then u unpack it
[16:52] <c2tarun> its not tar.gz that is the prob, it is just tar :(
[16:52] <yofel> gzip -9 <tar>
[16:52] <Quintasan> gzip -9 tar
[16:52] <Quintasan> :O
[16:52] <yofel> seems we both like high compression :P
[16:53] <c2tarun> thanks folks :)
[16:53] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[16:55] <c2tarun> i got and error of make: dh: Command not found
[16:56] <Quintasan> c2tarun: apt-get install debhelper
[16:57] <Quintasan> afiestas: this is magic
[16:57] <Quintasan> somehow quilt refuses to do anything with this magical source :P
[16:57] <yofel> more like: sudo apt-get build-dep bluedevil ?
[16:58] <yofel> without sudo in chroot
[17:00] <afiestas> Quintasan:  ?
[17:00] <Quintasan> afiestas: no, nothing, somehow diff magically added some lines to itself
[17:00] <Riddell> c2tarun: hi, back, doing ok?
[17:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: stuck actually, asking from tazz
[17:01] <tazz> there is a perl module missing.
[17:01] <Riddell> "dh: unable to load addon kde"  that's in pkg-kde-tools
[17:01] <Riddell> so  install pkg-kde-tools
[17:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: can u see the error now? actually it never asked for my key, just reported it not available.
[17:04] <Riddell> c2tarun: that's fine, it's trying to gpg sign it but this machine doesn't have your gpg key so that failed, but otherwise the source package is successfully built
[17:04] <Riddell> you can run  debuild -S -us -uc  to tell it not to gpg sign it
[17:05] <Riddell> but the only difference is you won't get that "failed to sign" error
[17:05] <c2tarun> Riddell: but i thought that unsigned packages are invalid?
[17:05] <Riddell> c2tarun: you only need to sign it if you are uploading to the archive or to a PPA, but we're not doing that yet
[17:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/3973 <-- can you review this?
[17:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok so i should move on.
[17:06] <Riddell> and you don't have upload rights to the archive anyway so it wouldn't help if you signed it when we do want to upload it
[17:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[17:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: "Added more build-dependencies"  you should say what those build-deps are
[17:09] <Riddell> debian/patches/armel-qmax-fix  confusing not having the ".diff" on the end of that
[17:09] <Quintasan> I renamed it
[17:09] <Quintasan> to kubuntu_01_fix_qmax_on_armel.diff
[17:10]  * Quintasan should have added that
[17:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: Should I copy and paste what I added to build-deps or I just can sum it up with gst stuff?
[17:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes, and send the patch upstream :)
[17:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: sum it up should be ok
[17:11] <Quintasan> afiestas said he will get the ARM stuff for the next release
[17:11] <Riddell> "Standards-Version: 3.8.4" should be increased?
[17:12] <c2tarun> Riddell: I forgot the check the version of the control file :(
[17:13] <Riddell> c2tarun: well the bluedevil package comes from Debian so I don't think it's important, Debian will update it at some point and we will merge back with them
[17:13] <Riddell> whereas kamoso I think isn't from Debian
[17:13] <Quintasan> It is not
[17:13] <Quintasan> 3.9.1 is the newest one?
[17:13] <Riddell> so we need to worry about such details
[17:13] <Quintasan> I mean standards
[17:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes (last I heard)
[17:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Okay, done, anything else you can think of?
[17:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: 2.0-alpha2-0ubuntu1 that's wrong
[17:14] <Riddell> version number is > 2.0
[17:14] <Quintasan> I did that? @_@
[17:14] <Riddell> should be 2.0~alpha2-0ubuntu1
[17:14] <Quintasan> Oh I did
[17:15] <Quintasan> So silly
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dude ... did you try Neon?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> our own people don't try neon
[17:16] <shadeslayer> *sigh
[17:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes but not recently, should I give it another go?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please do :)
[17:16]  * Riddell adds to todo list
[17:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: >implying Riddell will notice anything else than breakage
[17:16] <shadeslayer> PIM is all sorts of borked tho
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: alias project-neon = "break-my -KDE"
[17:17] <Quintasan> moar like
[17:17] <Quintasan> alias project-neon="lol where are my KDE settings"
[17:17] <tazz> lol i was just compiling KDE from trunk and the settings for all my users vanished.
[17:18] <shadeslayer> ahahahahaha ^^
[17:18] <Quintasan> tazz: Use Project Neon
[17:18] <tazz> or rather were broken, and i had to rm -rf ~/.kde/
[17:18] <shadeslayer> compiling KDE is now a thing of the past
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Moar powa to the user/developer
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we should corrupt people with project-neon
[17:18] <c2tarun> Riddell: I think its ready :)
[17:18] <Quintasan> tazz: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa
[17:19] <shadeslayer> right after you fix SIP for neon
[17:19] <tazz> thanks c2tarun
[17:19] <shadeslayer> :>
[17:19] <Riddell> c2tarun: is there a build log?
[17:19] <Quintasan> tazz: and report back to #project-neon
[17:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How it isnt working?
[17:19] <c2tarun> Riddell: don't know, how to check that ?
[17:19] <tazz> Quintasan, ok, i'll try to.
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no SIP for Mav right now
[17:19] <Riddell> c2tarun: someone who knows how pbuilder works should know
[17:19] <Riddell> dudes: where does pbuilder put build logs?
[17:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: and what happens with this?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ../
[17:20] <c2tarun> Riddell: :(
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what happens with what?
[17:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: without SIP
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we want SIP installed in /opt/project-neon
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: PyKDE4 doesnt build
[17:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Just change it your self in rules
[17:20] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: Riddell its in ../
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no you go and fix .... im done with bindings once and for all
[17:21] <yofel> hm?
[17:21] <c2tarun> Riddell: are u talking about last_ope*.log?
[17:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You will learn something new
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i dont want to see another debian/rules :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> specially SIP's
[17:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ../ relative to what?
[17:21] <yofel> here it puts build logs in /var/cache/pbuilder/.../result/ (but I guess that's my pbuilderrc)
[17:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Oh sure you do, you just don't know it yet
[17:21] <Quintasan> yofel: ^
[17:21] <Quintasan> tell him it is the turth
[17:22] <Riddell> c2tarun: oh yes, last_operation.log seems to be it
[17:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: you really *really* want to look at it
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well .. did you run pdebuild? or pbuilder foo.dsc ?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: no i dont!
[17:22] <Quintasan> Yes you do
[17:22] <c2tarun> Riddell: see pbuilder did it for me :)
[17:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I didn't run anything, c2tarun did it all
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:22] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: did you run pdebuild or pbuilder?
[17:22] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: pbuilder-dist natty build *.dsc
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:23] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: /var/cache/pbuilder/results then
[17:23] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/JLc08.gif on shadeslayer
[17:23] <Quintasan> :D
[17:23] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: yup
[17:23] <yofel> LOL
[17:23] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: no
[17:23] <Riddell> seems to be in ~/pbuilder/natty_result
[17:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:23] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ~/pbuilder/natty-results
[17:23] <yofel> oh, that would be pbuilder-dist
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:23] <yofel> not pbuilder
[17:24] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: ive used pbuilder/pdebuild ... never tried pbuilder-dist
[17:24] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[17:24] <shadeslayer> right pbuilder-dist puts tarballs in ~
[17:24] <shadeslayer> s/~/~/pbuilder/
[17:24] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:24] <Quintasan> Riddell, yofel, shadeslayer: you can just specify the logfile via --logfile option
[17:24] <Quintasan> like
[17:24] <Quintasan> pbuilder --build --logifile ./BUILDLOG *.dsc
[17:25]  * Quintasan has that set as an alias
[17:25] <shadeslayer> i just use pdebuild
[17:25] <yofel> I have in my pbuilderrc
[17:25] <yofel> PKGNAME_LOGFILE_EXTENTION="_$(dpkg --print-architecture).build"
[17:25] <yofel> PKGNAME_LOGFILE=yes
[17:25] <Riddell> c2tarun: the package has built but it's important to check for any new build-dependencies, by looking at the output of cmake configure in the build logs
[17:25] <yofel> that gives me a /var/cache/pbuilder/natty-amd64/result/project-neon-kde-workspace_0_amd64.build
[17:25] <c2tarun> Riddell: build logs means that log file?
[17:26] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[17:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok wait let me check
[17:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: but i tried to pack an application withno build-depends in control file, I got an error each time, them i update control file and again build the package till i got all the build dependencies there.
[17:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: no error means nothing missing
[17:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/3976 <-- this should be good
[17:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: some build dependencies are required and cmake should fail if you don't have them, but often with KDE programmes the build-depdencies are optional and cmake will just print a warning if you don't have them
[17:29] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, so i should look for warnings in that log file?
[17:30] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes, the part I'm looking at now
[17:30] <Riddell> "-- Configuring done"  there would be a warning below that if there were missing build-depends
[17:30] <Riddell> there isn't so it's all good
[17:31] <c2tarun> Riddell: okay.. got it
[17:31] <Riddell> c2tarun: this only makes one .deb "bluedevil" which contains all the files, but often our source packages make many .debs and you have to split up the files into the right .deb
[17:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure how you'd do that using pbuilder
[17:32] <Riddell> also with libraries if they had symbols files you'd need to start compiling from the start after each try
[17:32] <c2tarun> Riddell: i am not getting the part of "source packages make many .debs "
[17:32] <Riddell> which is why I prefer to compile on a local machine of chroot first, then if there's a problem you fix it and use  debuild -nc  (no clear) to build without having to start all over again
[17:33] <Riddell> c2tarun: look at the kdetoys I just downloaded, there's several .install files to split up the compiled result into several .debs
[17:34] <c2tarun> Riddell: that is new for me, never saw like that? what should we do in that scenario?
[17:34] <Riddell> after you compile that you need to check that all the files are getting put into a .deb
[17:35] <Riddell> but I don't know how to do that with pbuilder
[17:35] <c2tarun> Riddell: do you know what'll will happen on using pbuilder here?
[17:36] <Quintasan> list-missing hook
[17:36] <tazz> be back in an hour or so guy, thanks c2tarun see you at conf.kde.in ? Riddell thanks, i owe you a beer, or whatever it is that you will when we meet :p
[17:36] <Riddell> tazz: I'll be at conf.kde.in, do they serve mango lassi? :)
[17:37] <tazz> :D
[17:37] <tazz> i'll try to get you a mango lassi.
[17:37] <c2tarun> Riddell: can i try packaging with kdetoy?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:37] <shadeslayer> tazz: im pretty sure march isn't famous for mangoes
[17:37] <shadeslayer> erm -e
[17:38] <tazz> shadeslayer, frooty + lassi. But shshhh dont tell that to Riddell
[17:38] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:38] <shadeslayer> ahahaha
[17:38] <shadeslayer> tazz: or slice
[17:38] <Riddell> c2tarun: there's no new version of kdetoys so it's just for an example
[17:38] <shadeslayer> slice will be better :P
[17:38] <Riddell> c2tarun: but go ahead, run debuild and compile it (no pbuilder)
[17:38] <c2tarun> Riddell:  ok sure.
[17:38] <\sh> Riddell: mango lassi? bad boy .. now I need to visit my indian restaurant
[17:39] <Riddell> c2tarun: no -S
[17:39] <Riddell> c2tarun: we'll do a full compile
[17:39] <c2tarun> Riddell: how?
[17:39] <Riddell> c2tarun: sudo apt-get build-dep kdetoys  will install the packages it needs
[17:39] <Riddell> c2tarun: then just "debuild" to get it compiling
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can i open multiple files in emacs and run the same operation on all of them?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> im yet to learn how to manipulate multiple files :S
[17:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're asking me how or you're asking permission? :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im asking you how :P
[17:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I would set up a macro
[17:41] <Riddell> control-x shift-(
[17:41] <Riddell> do what needs to be done
[17:41] <Riddell> control-x shift-)
[17:41] <Riddell> then control-x e to run it
[17:42] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:46] <c2tarun> Riddell: i compiled it by debuild.
[17:46] <c2tarun> now wherer can i see the deb?
[17:46] <Riddell> c2tarun: groovy, .debs are in ..
[17:46] <Riddell> c2tarun: but to check if there are any files that aren't installed I'd run   dh_install --list-missing
[17:47] <c2tarun> Riddell: do we need to check this? I mean how could it possible that any misses an install
[17:47] <c2tarun> any file*
[17:49] <Riddell> c2tarun: if it's a new version of the software there's very likely to be new files
[17:49] <Riddell> (in this case I've already edited the .install files so I know there will be missing files :)
[17:50] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am still not getting, you edited the install file but still debuild will check install file or not, so it will install all the apps in that file?
[17:50] <c2tarun> Riddell: or removed something from that file?
[17:50] <Riddell> I removed something from a couple of files
[17:51] <Riddell> so the .debs are built but they will be missing some files
[17:51] <c2tarun> got it :) let me check
[17:52] <Riddell> c2tarun: missing files!
[17:52] <Riddell> now you need to work out what .install file to add them to
[17:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya.... ok
[17:52] <Riddell> often that's obvious from the name of the file, sometimes you have to go searching through the sources to see what application it comes from
[17:53] <c2tarun> how can we search through the sources to see what applications are missing?
[17:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: you can search to see where a file comes from with e.g.   find . -name <filename>
[17:54] <c2tarun> Riddell: like here I have no idea in which file do the three missing apps belong
[17:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: i am not able to scroll up in the terminal :( how to scroll up?
[17:56] <Riddell> c2tarun: in a screen session I think it's  control-a PgUp
[17:56] <Riddell> no
[17:56] <Riddell> control-a p  PgUp
[17:56] <Riddell> let me try
[17:56] <Riddell> ah hah
[17:56] <maco> trl+1 esc pgup
[17:56] <Riddell> control-a [  PgUp
[17:57] <c2tarun> what is it? control+a then pgup?
[17:57] <Riddell> control-a [  PgUp
[17:57] <Riddell> square bracket there is important
[17:57] <c2tarun> Riddell: got it :)
[17:57] <Riddell> press return twice to go out of scroll mode
[17:59] <c2tarun> Riddell: where is tmp?
[18:00] <Riddell> c2tarun: debian/tmp is where the files get installed to after compile, then dh_install reads the .install files and moves them to debian/<package>, then other scripts turn debian/<package> into the .deb
[18:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: but how come by find we can know that which install is missing from where?
[18:02] <Riddell> c2tarun: first one is usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/ktux.png
[18:02] <Riddell> that's obviously part of ktux because it's called ktux.png
[18:02] <Riddell> so add it to debian/ktux.install
[18:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, but this was obvious by name, in case we cannot guess it by name then?
[18:04] <Riddell> then you  have to know a bit about how program sources work
[18:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: okay
[18:04] <Riddell> I know that ./ktux/data/icons/hi32-app-ktux.png  will get renamed to ktux.png and installed into the icons directory
[18:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: or we can just ask from the one who created the program :)
[18:04] <Riddell> so the file came from ./ktux so it must be part of the ktux programme
[18:05] <Riddell> yes, asking upstream if you are unsure is a sensible thing to do
[18:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: getting bit, how missing installs supports the fact that not using pbuilder-dist is better move
[18:06] <c2tarun> Riddell: we can check these missing installations after pbuilder as well (can't we?)
[18:07] <Riddell> c2tarun: I don't think you can, once pbuilder is finished it deletes the build
[18:07] <yofel> yes, but only if you define it in debian/rules, you can't run dh_install --list-missing by hand after pbuilder finishes
[18:07] <Riddell> you'd need to have a pbuilder hook that gets run during the build as Quintasan says
[18:08] <c2tarun> Riddell: but in chroot we have to install all the build-dependencies, ok. what if we are packaging a completely new source code with no debian folder?
[18:08] <maco> c2tarun: then you make a debian/ folder
[18:09] <maco> the README or INSTALL should explain what's needed
[18:09] <maco> alternatively, you watch it fail in pbuilder on the configure step over and over
[18:09] <maco> and keep adding what it said was missing
[18:10] <c2tarun> maco: today i packed kpassgen that have no info about build-dep* in README or INSTALL file.
[18:10] <maco> :( @ upstream
[18:10] <Riddell> you would need to read the output of cmake to know what it needs
[18:10] <c2tarun> maco: suppose all the depen* needed are already installed in your chroot, then our package will be created automatically with a blank control file. :(
[18:11] <maco> c2tarun: a blank control file?
[18:11] <c2tarun> maco: means build-depends section blank,
[18:11] <maco> mmm well then thatd mean that it only requires build essential...which would be odd
[18:12] <c2tarun> maco: yup, so either we uninstall all the dep* we installed before exiting chroot or it will all go wrong.
[18:12] <Riddell> there's no perfect way to do it, but I'd read the cmake output and work out what packages it needs from that, then to be sure I'd got it right I'd build it with pbuilder
[18:12] <maco> c2tarun: are you manually chrooting?
[18:13] <maco> c2tarun: because if you use pbuilder, it *does* automatically uninstall all the deps it installed
[18:13] <c2tarun> maco: i think it does.
[18:14] <maco> so i dont see where the problme is
[18:14] <maco> if packages werent automatically uninstalled and you had cruft from previous builds, yes thatd be bad and screw up your "are my build deps right?" checks, but they are removed so it all works out
[18:14] <c2tarun> the problem is nowhere :) the thing is I was trying to understand why we should not use pbuilder directly :)
 c2tarun: I don't think you can, once pbuilder is finished it deletes the build   <-- this what you're wondering about?
[18:15] <maco> you can chroot into it yourself too and view the log
[18:15] <maco> ScottK has shown me how before
[18:16] <c2tarun> Riddell: can i log into pbuilder and see?
[18:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: I only use pbuilder as a final check because it doesn't (easily) let you adjust a package then continue on
[18:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: maybe but I don't know how
[18:16] <CIA-40> [messages] asserhal * 1218517 * trunk/ (38 files in 20 dirs) SVN_SILENT updated translations
[18:17] <Riddell> c2tarun: anyway, I've tested the .deb for bluedevil and it's all working so I'll upload
[18:17] <Riddell> thanks a lot of packaging, your ninja skills are good :)
[18:17] <c2tarun> Riddell:  I dont think that till now I am a ninja :)
[18:18] <Riddell> c2tarun: one issue is you turned the .bz2 into a .gz, we don't need to do that as .bz2 are supported directly these days and it's best to stay with what upstream gives us if we can
[18:18] <c2tarun> Riddell: I didn't knew that, I'll keep that in mind
[18:19]  * yofel wonders if we'll get .tar.xz support before KDE5 in launchpad...
[18:20] <Riddell> c2tarun: oh and if you were interested you could backport this to maverick
[18:20] <c2tarun> Riddell: hey i dont understand the concept of backport, can you please explain me a bit?
[18:22] <Riddell> c2tarun: maverick was released last year and now we're developing for natty and that's where our new packages go. but some people want to use maverick with the latest packages so we have a maverick-backports repository which has natty packages recompiled to run on maverick
[18:22] <Riddell> c2tarun: so to get a backport you need to check that the package compiles and runs on natty
[18:22] <Riddell> sorry, check that the package compiles and runs on maverick
[18:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: ya :)
[18:23] <Riddell> then you file a bug and someone will approve it and it'll get put into maverick-backports
[18:23] <c2tarun> Riddell: can't I put it into maverick-backports by myself?
[18:23] <superfly> Just installed KDE 4.6 from kubuntu-backports, and KNotify is segfaulting... anyone have any ideas?
[18:24] <Riddell> c2tarun: it gets put into maverick-backports with a script (to minimise errors) which is run by an archive admin (such as me)
[18:24] <c2tarun> Riddell: got it :) you are the Boss ;)
[18:24] <superfly> it shows two error messages about " can't write to /tmp/<numbers>/.kde/...
[18:24] <Riddell> c2tarun: so I think you need to set up a maverick pbulider and check the package compiles there, then test the .deb installs and runs
[18:26] <c2tarun> Riddell: I don't know how to access files in home folder from pbuilder chroot
[18:26] <Riddell> c2tarun: why do you need to?
[18:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: because to  install inside pbuilder we have to log in into pbuilder chroot first. then only we can install ( I guess?)
[18:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: if you're running maverick you can download the .deb onto your computer and install it there
[18:29] <Riddell> but first set up the maverick pbuilder and build bluedevil in it
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: proptip: apt-cache policy debian-policy
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> insta-standards-version
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> *protip
[18:30] <c2tarun> Riddell: I have a maverick pbuilder and a natty pbuilder-dist onto my system, I can use the mav one
[18:31] <Riddell> c2tarun: if you want to use the maverick pbuilder on your computer you should download (with scp) the bluedevil sources from the ec2 machine we've been using
[18:31] <c2tarun> Riddell: dont know how to do that :(
[18:32] <Riddell> scp ubuntu@ec2-174-129-46-138.compute-1.amazonaws.com:bluedevil-1.0.1/new/* .
[18:32] <Riddell> running that from your computer will use scp (ssh copy) to download the files
[18:32] <c2tarun> Riddell: what is scp anyway?
[18:33] <Riddell> c2tarun: ssh copy
[18:33] <Riddell> copies files using ssh
[18:34] <c2tarun> Riddell: Ya its downloading :) but creating a deb file on my net connection will take around an hour or more :( and it is 12:05 AM here, so I can't check it today.
[18:34] <Riddell> c2tarun: you could also use that ec2 machine
[18:35]  * superfly wanders off to find help elsewhere
[18:35] <Riddell> superfly: sorry I've not heard of such a problem and am busy with other things just now
[18:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: or you could sleep and do it tomorrow :)
[18:36] <c2tarun> Riddell: but still I dont know how to access files of home folder from pbuilder. :(
[18:36] <maco> you should not need to
[18:36] <Riddell> c2tarun: why would you need to?  you only need to do the same as you did before when building it for natty
[18:37] <Riddell> create the pbuilder, build with .dsc file, .deb files should get made, download those and test locally
[18:38] <c2tarun> Riddell: test locally means on my system right? don't you think that'll effect my bluetooth software?
[18:39] <c2tarun> Riddell: bluedevil is already installed on my system.
[18:40] <Riddell> c2tarun: maybe, that's what we need to test
[18:40] <Riddell> if it breaks your bluetooth then we'll know not to release it to the world
[18:40] <Riddell> if it works, then it should be ok to release to the world
[18:40] <c2tarun> Riddell: O_O
[18:41] <Riddell> part of being a developer is the risk of having your own system broken :)  but you can always install an older version
[18:41]  * superfly spies a few packages that weren't upgraded
[18:41] <superfly> perhaps that's the problem
[18:41] <c2tarun> Riddell: are u joking :( ok i'll install a kubuntu in virtual box and test it :)
[18:41] <maco> its not like itd break it permanently....
[18:42] <maco> you'd just dpkg -i and install the old package and be back to normal
[18:42] <Riddell> c2tarun: I tested the natty bluedevil .deb we made locally, I wouldn't upload software to the archive unless I've tested that it works first
[18:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: testing in virtual box will be fine or not? or I have on spare kernel on my system :) i can install KDE on that and test it ;)
[18:43] <maco> c2tarun: you dont install packages per-kernel...
[18:43] <maco> i dont know if a vbox would work for bt. does vbox recognise bt devices?
[18:44] <Riddell> I also don't know if virtual box can talk to bluetooth
[18:44] <Riddell> but there really wouldn't be a problem testing it on your machine, if it doesn't work just reinstall the old version
[18:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure :) i'll test it.
[18:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: but not today, i haven't called my gf since eve, i gotta go :(
[18:45] <Riddell> good night c2tarun, thanks for packaging bluedevil, your ninja skills are strong
[18:46] <c2tarun> Riddell: I'll test it :) and come again on #kubuntu-devel by 16:30 UTC, till then bye. tc :)
[18:52] <Riddell> good find yofel :)
[18:52] <yofel> :D
[18:53] <Riddell> tazz: you're also interested in helping Kubuntu?
[19:09] <superfly> Ah, there we go... that worked
[19:10] <Riddell> superfly: what did you do?
[19:11] <superfly> I just installed the extra packages that hadn't been upgraded
[19:11] <superfly> forgot I needed to do a "full-upgrade"
[19:16] <shadeslayer> night everyone
[19:17] <Riddell> guid nicht shadeslayer
[19:17] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:20] <yofel> nini shadeslayer
[19:24] <tazz> Riddell, yes.
[19:24] <tazz> i plan to.
[19:26] <Riddell> tazz: doing packaging or other stuff?
[19:26] <tazz> Riddell, yea, i already build rpms for my company.
[19:26] <tazz> so why not :)
[21:17] <CIA-40> [messages] fric * 1218562 * trunk/l10n-kde4/sk/messages/ (24 files in 13 dirs) Updated Slovak translation
[21:19] <DarkwingDuck> whoot
[22:56] <CIA-40> [messages] kristofk * 1218568 * trunk/l10n-kde4/hu/messages/extragear-sysadmin/desktop_extragear-sysadmin_libqapt.po SVN_SILENT Hungarian translation updated
[23:00] <ulysses> omg the CIA watches me:o
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> it has a filter on libqapt. I thought we had turned off l10n messages though
[23:05] <DarkwingDuck> Whos bright idea was it to license the Kubuntu docs and KDE docs under different licenses?
[23:05] <DarkwingDuck> :P


[01:23] <jacobw> yo..
[01:23] <shauno> morning
[01:24] <matthewgall> lol
[01:24] <matthewgall> Mrning
[01:24] <matthewgall> Morning
[03:30] <jibadeeha> anyone awake at this time?
[03:30] <Azelphur> yep
[03:30] <jibadeeha> wow ... i went to sleep at 6pm yesterday and just woke up now and wondered where i am - mad
[03:31] <jibadeeha> anyway having my first coffee of the day
[03:31] <Azelphur> :p
[03:33] <ali1234> hmm me too
[03:34] <jibadeeha> have never been fully awake and about at this time
[03:34] <jibadeeha> i should do this more often
[04:49] <vanmarco> understand you jibadeeha
[04:49] <vanmarco> samehere
[07:36] <knightwise> morning !
[07:55] <knightwise> hello kazade
[07:55] <knightwise> morning
[08:23] <mikeatvillage> Hi. Anyone know how to install MDAC 2.8 under Wine1.2.2 on Ubuntu 11.04
[08:56] <daubers> Morning
[09:24] <danfish> ahoy-hoy all :)
[10:40] <jacobw> morning
[11:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:38] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[11:40] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[11:42] <BigRedS> morning!
[11:42] <BigRedS> How's things?
[11:43] <brobostigon> BigRedS: tired, got zero sleep. and you?
[11:43] <BigRedS> ah. I'm pretty good. I spent most of yesterday finally getting rount to working on a bunch of long-standing projects
[11:43] <BigRedS> feeling raring to go and get a couple finished :)
[11:44] <brobostigon> :)
[11:46] <jacobw> morning brobostigon
[11:46] <jacobw> and BigRedS
[11:46] <jacobw> etc
[11:47] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:50] <danfish>  morning all (again!)
[11:50] <brobostigon> morning danfish
[11:51]  * danfish is feeling a bit rough post-rugby yesterday
[11:52] <czajkowski> munster won :)
[11:52] <danfish> czajkowski: excellent - Saracens also :)
[11:53] <danfish> I can heartily recommend the premiership final at Twickers - not expensive either - £12 is wot I paid
[11:54] <danfish> czajkowski: an ubuntu-uk day out next year me thinks
[11:57] <SpudULike> danfish, I'd be up for that.
[12:01] <danfish> SpudULike: I'll suggest it in 6 months time
[12:06] <czajkowski> yessss
[13:46] <danfish> tap tap - is this thing on?
[13:46] <penguin42> no
[13:46] <DJones> Nope, its been disabled
[13:46] <penguin42> hmph, the intel x server crash on natty is annoying me
[13:47] <danfish> penguin42: X is way overated ;)
[13:48] <DJones> penguin42: which x server crash on natty? I've not had that problem thankfully
[13:49] <penguin42> DJones: The one that goes libpthread, librecord, _CallCallbacks, WriteToClient, libdri2.so: ProcDRI2WaitMSCReply, DRI2WaitMSCComplete
[13:55] <penguin42> DJones: Bug 774978
[13:56] <DJones> penguin42: I've not had that happen to me
[13:57] <penguin42> DJones: Is happening pretty regularly for me on opening firefox
[13:58] <DJones> Perhaps thats why I've not seen it, I use chromium, maybe theres a subtle differnce
[13:58] <penguin42> yeh, it's obviously something just tickling a bug somewhere
[17:17] <kvarley> is there a voip service for Ubuntu that will let me serve it via ubuntu server but the clients can connect through a web interface?
[17:20] <gord> omg are reporting on some odd things lately... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/ivanka-hits-the-road/ - just... a little personal if you ask me
[17:21] <kvarley> gord: That site used to be a lot better imo. I moved to http://webudp8.org more than that
[17:21] <kvarley> gord: errr *http://www.webupd8.org/
[17:31] <popey> ewww webupd8
[17:38] <jacobw> i find omgubuntu more like a fashion magazine than a technology website
[17:39] <jacobw> i think a lot of people like that though
[18:04] <AlanBell> evening all
[18:04] <AlanBell> !dvd
[18:04] <brobostigon> evening AlanBell
[18:07] <MichealH> Oh wow... Ist 6PM already?
[18:08] <brobostigon> yep.
[18:08] <brobostigon> i have chicken curry, cooking, :)
[18:57]  * penguin42 has an Eve's pudding cooking
[19:22] <dwatkins> mmm, pudding
[19:22] <dwatkins> What are you making, penguin42?
[19:35] <daubers> Arghhhh!!!
[19:35]  * AlanBell has beer
[19:35] <daubers> TV is aggravating
[19:35] <brobostigon> AlanBell: :)
[19:35] <daubers> 4 people stood in a server room surrounded by Dell blades having a normal conversation. If those blades where on, they would barely be able to hear themselvse!
[19:37] <penguin42> dwatkins: I said - an Eve's pudding!
[19:41] <ali1234> daubers: what show is that, just out of interest?
[19:41] <daubers> ali1234: Numb3rs
[19:42] <ali1234> oh, ok, i see
[19:44] <Azelphur> daubers: that's nothing
[19:45] <Azelphur> daubers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ cracks me up every time :D
[19:45] <daubers> Azelphur: There was a lot of fail in that episode :(
[19:45] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:49] <ali1234> have you all seen that CSI episode where they have to hack an excel spreadsheet on an xbox by playing second life?
[19:49] <Azelphur> lmfao, no but it sounds hilarious
[19:50] <ali1234> i may in fact have mixed together two episodes there, but if i did, they are both hilariously bad
[19:51] <Azelphur> ali1234: seen visual basic gui to track the killers IP? :P
[19:51] <popey> haha, "I speak leet"
[19:51] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbxwtEKpEL4
[19:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: wtf he hands him a calculator
[19:54] <Azelphur> hahaha
[19:54] <Azelphur> "Here's a calculator" "I CAN DO IT!"
[19:55] <Azelphur> LOL He's fighting with the calculator
[19:55] <Azelphur> xD
[19:56] <oimon> my missis watches CSI but i can't stand it
[19:56] <ali1234> it's fairly entertaining as long as they don't talk about anything that you actually understand
[19:56] <ali1234> like most TV actually
[19:56] <oimon> yeah, i prefer spiral and the killing for crime drama
[19:56] <ali1234> i can't find the xbox spreadsheets one
[19:56] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU :D
[19:57] <ali1234> that one was really horrible
[19:57] <Azelphur> ^ lmfao the comments on that one
[19:57] <ali1234> yes that one is so bad it became a meme
[19:57] <Azelphur> xD
[19:57] <ali1234> the spreadsheets one had that guy from out of nypd:blue
[19:58] <ali1234> i'm not sure it was CSI
[19:58] <popey> love the comments on that one
[19:58] <ali1234> but it was one of those generic cop shows
[19:58] <Azelphur> yea, lol
[19:58] <popey> "I'll create a batch file using notepad, to see if I can find out who stole my club sandwich."
[19:58] <oimon> in spooks they tend to decrypt high level encryption on the fly all the time
[19:59] <popey> maybe they have a beowulf cluster ;)
[20:00] <oimon> actually in one episode i think they wrote a virus to turn the country into a grid compute engine to work something out
[20:00] <popey> mmmm portal 2
[20:00] <Azelphur> oh yea, we totally can't miss this one out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk
[20:00] <ali1234> omg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRhGPVYRsOY
[20:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: lmao
[20:03] <oimon> i love it
[20:03] <ali1234> Azelphur: blade runner is the canonical example of that i guess
[20:03] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:03] <ali1234> and here's a funny spoof of that scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erADi08Bc2I
[20:05] <oimon> usually youtube comments are retarded but these ones are actually quite good
[20:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[20:06] <oimon> my baby boy took his first steps today :D
[20:06] <Azelphur> oimon: woo \o/
[20:20] <oimon> has anyone watched shadowline on bbc ? any good?
[20:21] <matthewgall> I watched a few episodes on iPlayer, not bad, not bad.
[20:23] <oimon> iplayer seems quite inconsistent about the length of time things are available for
[20:23] <shauno> I believe that's intentional .. it depends what rights the bbc has to things
[20:23] <matthewgall> It's not even that.
[20:24] <matthewgall> With series, it's 7 days after the last episode of the series
[20:24] <oimon> been taken by surprise sometimes when some stuff deisppears within a week
[20:25] <oimon> most of the time i don't even realise a series has started that i've waited for
[20:25] <oimon> until about week3
[20:27] <matthewgall> I hate when that happens.
[20:27] <dwatkins> penguin42: ah sorry, I thought you meant for this evening :)
[20:34] <czajkowski> Aloha
[20:40] <AlanBell> I never did trust cucumbers
[20:42] <dwatkins> I never trusted e-coli.
[20:45] <Azelphur> I never trusted trains.
[20:50] <AlanBell> getting cold and I have run out of beer, time to move away from the wifi for the night o/
[20:51] <gord> does AlanBell have to internet from his shed? o_O
[20:51] <brobostigon> :(
[20:52] <brobostigon> gord: it might be his den?
[21:07] <penguin42> is he still in France?
[21:26] <daubers> gord: I wanna shed to internet from :(
[21:27] <brobostigon> heated with dedicated bar and beer pumps,
[21:27] <brobostigon> ?
[21:31] <daubers> Half decent sound system and 3 monitors would do me nicely
[21:36] <brobostigon> :)
[21:39] <penguin42> interesting, I wonder why my desktop is DHCping every 5 minutes
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> because your router is giving out 5-minute leases?
[21:39] <gord> i just tried to open a .bmp file on windows, it made me agree to some licence before i could do that. sometimes we forget just how good we have it on ubuntu
[21:39] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Just coming from a standard Linux dhcp server
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: You can check the lease time it's giving out in the config
[21:42] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: default-lease-time 600;  hmm is that 10mins ?
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> the client might be refreshing slightly before that
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> to make sure it doesn't expire
[21:43] <penguin42> hmm that's a bit ott
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> make it 86400 (1 day) or 3600 (1 hour)
[21:43]  * penguin42 wonders why I did that
[21:44]  * penguin42 wonders if I accidentally deleted the 3 at some point
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> it might be the default
[23:11] <Azelphur> Is there any universal command line file extractor?
[23:11] <Azelphur> like file roller, but without the GUI, so I can be lazy writing some scripts and not have to write a big switch statement for every different file format
[23:26] <BigRedS> not that I know of
[23:26] <BigRedS> you should write one
[23:26] <BigRedS> :)
[23:26] <Azelphur> \o/
[23:43] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:44] <penguin42> Azelphur: Was it you that was trying to get the cluster of machines running last week?
[23:44] <Azelphur> penguin42: indeed it was
[23:45] <penguin42> how's it going?
[23:45] <Azelphur> penguin42: it's all chugging along quite nicely, I didn't even need any extra cooling
[23:45] <Azelphur> makes the entire floor of the house kinda toasty, but it chugs along ok :)
[23:45] <penguin42> hehe
[23:45] <Azelphur> I reckon ambient on the top floor is around 35-40C
[23:46] <penguin42> ouch - that'll shorten the life of them a bit
[23:47] <Azelphur> you reckon?
[23:47] <penguin42> you might be OK; I genereally get a bit worried over 30
[23:47] <Azelphur> hehe, it's usually 30 here whatever I do
[23:48] <Azelphur> my room without a supercomputer is 28 right now
[23:48] <penguin42> 40 is a bit toasty though
[23:49] <Azelphur> yea, 40 is toasty
[23:49] <penguin42> so how much juice is that taking?
[23:49] <Azelphur> I don't have any temp sensors unfortunately, should probably get some
[23:49] <Azelphur> a lot less than I originally thought, only 1.7kw :)
[23:49] <penguin42> for all 8?
[23:49] <Azelphur> yep
[23:49] <Azelphur> and I've got the door wide open with the attic hatch open just outside said door to act as a vent
[23:50] <penguin42> hmm 220w a piece, I assume the CPU is quite idle then and it's the graphics card banging away?
[23:50] <Azelphur> yep
[23:51] <penguin42> because the CPUs are normally rated at 95w flat out
[23:52] <Azelphur> yea, that's why I'm not using them, they are largely uneconomical :)
[23:52] <Azelphur> I'm thinking of knocking up a case and building a quad card rig with a little wind tunnel for the gpus
[23:53] <Azelphur> penguin42: it's doing 3.4ghash/sec btw :p
[23:53] <penguin42> is that good?
[23:53] <Azelphur> yea, I'm top 10 in my pool
[23:53] <Azelphur> http://btcmine.com/toplist/
[23:53] <penguin42> so you've got one card in each ?
[23:54] <Azelphur> yea
[23:54] <Azelphur> penguin42: 3.4ghash/sec means giga-hashes per second, ie if I was brute forcing a password hash :)
[23:54] <Azelphur> everybodys password hashes are no longer safe >:)
[23:54] <penguin42> Azelphur: And how much is a block currently worth?
[23:55] <Azelphur> not that I'm using it for that, anyway
[23:55] <Azelphur> penguin42: £227 GBP
[23:55] <Azelphur> but that's a very flakey value
[23:55] <Azelphur> it depends on supply and demand / going exchange rate / direction of the wind etc...
[23:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: ok, so it's costing you about 25p/hour in elastictrickery, so what's that, £6/day, £42/week
[23:56] <Azelphur> woa, what electric rates you got me on there buddy?
[23:56] <Azelphur> that's way high :P
[23:57] <Azelphur> I'm on 7.5p/kwh
[23:57] <penguin42> really? Wow that's not too bad
[23:57] <Azelphur> perks of being parked right next to the worlds largest offshore wind farm
[23:58] <penguin42> and that's cheaper?
[23:58] <Azelphur> course, because we generate so much electricity it's cheaper here
[23:58] <Azelphur> it doesn't have to be routed long distance
[23:58] <Azelphur> at least from my understanding, electric prices are calculated based on where you live
[23:58] <penguin42> where's that?
[23:59] <Azelphur> Margate, Kent
[23:59] <penguin42> I didn't think it varied that much


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