[15:00] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:00] <jawn-smith> #topic Lightning Round
[15:00] <juliank> o/
[15:00] <schopin> o/
[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <jawn-smith> The status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-04-august-2022/29845
[15:00] <bdrung> \o
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <jawn-smith> Let's take a moment to read and ask questions
[15:01] <slyon> o/
[15:01] <sil2100> I did not write my status again, it starting to become a habit. I blame the point-releases
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:11] <jawn-smith> bug 1982791
[15:11] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: You tagged this one
[15:12] <bdmurray> This won't matter for KK but will for LL
[15:13] <bdmurray> so let's retag in rls-ll-incoming
[15:13] <jawn-smith> Okay sounds good to me.
[15:13] <jawn-smith> bug 1982486
[15:14] <jawn-smith> We discussed this last week, let me read the logs
[15:14] <bdmurray> we carded it so it just needs cleaning which I'll do
[15:14] <jawn-smith> Great, thanks.
[15:14] <jawn-smith> bug 1315559
[15:14] <jawn-smith> that's a low number
[15:15] <jawn-smith> Reported by bdmurray in 2014
[15:15] <bdmurray> vintage
[15:15] <jawn-smith> Has something changed to make this more urgent?
[15:15] <bdmurray> It confused Steve in https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/2ccb554c-1279-11ed-b06e-fa163ef35206
[15:15] <bdmurray> UpgradeStatus
[15:15] <bdmurray> Upgraded to groovy on 2022-08-02 (0 days ago)
[15:16] <vorlon> which I was only paying attention to because it was an ubuntu-release-upgrade crash
[15:17] <jawn-smith> Sounds worth working then, let's card it
[15:17] <mclemenceau> ok
[15:17] <jawn-smith> Thanks
[15:17] <bdmurray> Its horribly confusing and only somebody who is part of the furniture would know why its wrong
[15:18] <jawn-smith> bug 1979952
[15:18] <enr0n> I was able to confirm this is present in jammy and kinetic
[15:18] <jawn-smith> Looks like there's an upstream fix already
[15:18] <enr0n> There is a straight forward upstream fix available which I have tested
[15:18] <slyon> sounds like a nice inclusion for the next jammy SRU
[15:18] <enr0n> So I think we should card this and include it in the upcoming jammy SRU for systemd
[15:18] <jawn-smith> Alright let's card it and remove the tag then, sounds like enr0n is on top of it
[15:19] <bdmurray> Is there a timeline for that?
[15:19] <bdmurray> After .1?
[15:19] <slyon> yes, after .1. The last one was just 1 month ago
[15:20] <enr0n> Yeah that makes sense.
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Is the systemd SRU cycle documented somewhere?
[15:20] <slyon> so unless we need some critical fix, we wait a bit more
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Just for my own curiosity
[15:20] <slyon> jawn-smith: it is not, AFAIK
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Okay, that might be something worth doing... eventually
[15:20] <slyon> ack
[15:21] <jawn-smith> Alright that's getting carded. Moving on
[15:21] <jawn-smith> bug 1981109
[15:21] <sil2100> huh
[15:21] <sil2100> When adding the new RISC-V platforms, some of the generic non-SUBARCH code
[15:21] <jawn-smith> Last we discussed this there was nothing for foundations to work on.
[15:21] <sil2100>     went missing and some invalid assumptions have been made, causing cloud
[15:21] <sil2100> eeek, accidental paste
[15:21] <sil2100> ...please ignore
[15:22] <jawn-smith> It's marked as fixed in livecd-rootfs. vorlon do you agree there is currently nothing for foundations to work on related to this bug?
[15:22] <vorlon> it needs to be fixed in jammy
[15:22] <vorlon> so should probably be carded for that
[15:23] <jawn-smith> Ah okay, let's card that then
[15:24] <mclemenceau> ok
[15:24] <jawn-smith> Thanks!
[15:24] <jawn-smith> bug 1981721
[15:24] <jawn-smith> slyon: are we still waiting on openstack input?
[15:24] <slyon> no update on that since last week, so let's skip
[15:24] <jawn-smith> Cool, that's it for kk
[15:24] <slyon> i think it's not very high priority for the openstack team
[15:24] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:24] <bdmurray> dupes
[15:25] <jawn-smith> ah, looks like both of these jj bugs have already been discussed/carded
[15:25] <jawn-smith> rls-ff is empty for foundations, but has a few unknowns again
[15:25] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:25] <jawn-smith> None of those look like foundations packages to me. Agreed?
[15:26] <bdmurray> +1
[15:26]  * bdrung agrees
[15:26] <jawn-smith> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:26] <jawn-smith> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:26] <jawn-smith> vorlon:
[15:27] <slyon> re lintian: we could promote libregexp-wildcards-perl, the MIR is ready (LP: #1980968)
[15:28] <slyon> which would resolve one of the dependencies
[15:28] <slyon> others are still pending
[15:28] <vorlon> ubuntu-meta: still in desktop team's hands
[15:29] <vorlon> lintian: in MIR land per the above
[15:29] <vorlon> but the MIR tasks are marked incomplete?
[15:30] <slyon> yes. those are still pending. only libregexp-wildcards-perl is done
[15:30] <vorlon> looks like this is largely with ginggs who I believe is out this week
[15:30] <slyon> which is a different LP bug
[15:30] <slyon> that's true.
[15:31] <vorlon> mutt has been blocked on gsasl for 25 days; I don't see that this was assigned out last week or discussed?
[15:31] <slyon> vorlon: that's a MIR as well, blocked on security review
[15:32] <vorlon> aha thanks, hadn't clicked through on the bug yet
[15:32] <vorlon> gcc-12, looks like we're waiting for doko, who is also out this week
[15:34] <vorlon> ogayot: are you still on zlib?
[15:34] <vorlon> sounds like gcc-12 is hamstrung by launchpad build farm issues that we're waiting for a resolution on
[15:34] <ogayot> fheimes has been actively working on that one, I tested the patch from bug 1983255 but unfortunately still red for me
[15:35] <vorlon> ogayot: ok, and this is a real regression introduced by new zlib?
[15:35] <schopin> seems likely, as the new upload was for s390x specific code.
[15:36] <ogayot> using an old zlib does not trigger the bug, but I don't think this is strictly caused by zlib
[15:36] <vorlon> ogayot: but in any case we need tests fixed before we progress, ok
[15:36] <vorlon> sqlite3 vs senlin: this was mentioned last week as 'probably needs a retry' but it's still stuck
[15:37] <vorlon> and was retried several times on the 31st so this needs someone to take it and dig in
[15:37] <vorlon> bdmurray: can you take this?
[15:38] <bdmurray> maybe
[15:39] <vorlon> waveform: can you take senlin?
[15:39] <waveform> I'm out next week, so if it can wait a week, yes
[15:40] <vorlon> you mean you can't fix it tomorrow? :)
[15:40] <vorlon> anyway
[15:40] <vorlon> waveform: senlin/sqlite3
[15:40] <bdmurray> senlin passes in debian so I can try it with more resources
[15:40] <waveform> ack :)
[15:40] <schopin> I'll take rustc vs llvm
[15:40] <vorlon> schopin: thanks
[15:41] <vorlon> libgd-perl was mis-triaged last week, it was dep-wait but required someone to make changes to get the new build-deps built on i386.  That was done, then it failed to install those build-deps; I'm going to retry it and I'll follow through
[15:42] <vorlon> apt missing builds, also an i386 issue somehow, I'll follow up (I think this was already cleared)
[15:42] <bdrung> the regression there on gbrowse was reported as Debian bug #1014797 and forwarded upstream (no response there yet)
[15:43] <bdrung> (referring to libgd-perl)
[15:43] <vorlon> devscripts ALSO dep-wait on i386
[15:43] <vorlon> for the same package as apt, so I'll take that too :/
[15:43] <slyon> I'll take liburi-perl, because TIL
[15:43] <vorlon> slyon: thanks
[15:44] <vorlon> let's give curl / hddemux to dbungert
[15:46] <vorlon> bdmurray: can you take libuv1?
[15:46] <vorlon> eh
[15:46] <vorlon> bdrung: can you take libuv1? :)
[15:46] <bdrung> I prefer to look an the sudo regressions
[15:48] <vorlon> ok
[15:48] <vorlon> enr0n: can you take libuv1?
[15:49] <enr0n> Yes indeed
[15:49] <vorlon> jawn-smith: can you take casper?
[15:49] <jawn-smith> ack
[15:49] <vorlon> and that's it
[15:49] <jawn-smith> #topic AOB
[15:52] <jawn-smith> Any holidays or vacations coming up?
[15:53] <bdrung> soon-ish (but not next week)
[15:54] <jawn-smith> #endmeeting
[15:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:54:48 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-08-04-15.00.moin.txt


[00:01] <tumbleweed> give us a patch for ubuntu-build? :)
[01:02] <micahg> Riddell: I don't know if there's a version of ubuntu-build for PPAs
[05:20] <gnuvince> When I run pbuilder-dist create, I get an error at the end of the process: "E: debootstrap failed" (no more info than that).  Does anyone know of common causes of this problem?
[05:22] <micahg> out of date mirror, archive skew, unable to validate packages
[05:24] <gnuvince> What's a good up-to-date mirror to use? I didn't specify one, so I assume it must be ca.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <gnuvince> (from Canada)
[05:25] <micahg> gnuvince: you asked for common issues, that's not necessarily your issue
[05:26] <gnuvince> I'll run the command again with --debug
[05:26] <gnuvince> see if I can gather more information
[05:36] <udienz> tumbleweed, i got errors while accessing ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi in alioth, seems like database problem
[05:50] <udienz> tumbleweed, forget about it, it's work now
[07:46] <cjwatson> Laney: I've filed an RT to get libfileutils-ocaml-dev installed, which the new transition tracker needs
[07:47] <cjwatson> Laney: regarding your branch question, I'd either recommend creating a series for the configs (which would provide an easy merge target but is a bit of an abuse) or just use a separate project - probably the latter
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <geser> good morning dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> hey geser
[11:13] <Laney> cjwatson: righto, I thought of making a new project but it seemed a bit much
[14:19] <kirkland> does anyone have a particularly good dkms package I might emulate?
[14:20] <kirkland> the last time I did dkms package was kvm-84, which was hardy-era dkms
[14:20] <kirkland> I'm wondering if it's changed much?
[14:25] <TiMiDo> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnomeplacesscreenlet or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS
[14:25] <TiMiDo> ;)
[15:42] <alucardni> Hi, is there a way to make pbuilder work behind a proxy?
[15:43] <alucardni> If been able to create the pbuilder environment using the --http-proxy parameter
[15:43] <alucardni> but it doesn't work when I try to build a package :-/
[15:50] <udienz> alucardni, try $ EXPORT http_proxy="http:your_proxy:port"
[15:51] <alucardni> udienz: ok, I'll give it a try
[16:02] <alucardni> udienz: it worked! thank you very much :-)
[16:04] <udienz> alucardni, great! if your machine *always* in behind proxy you can add it in ~/.bashrc
[20:20] <lucas> could someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpich2/+bug/816750 ? I don't have a lucid chroot, so I can't test, but this looks like a simple rebuild is required for mpich2 on lucid.
[20:22] <tumbleweed> lucas: sure, rebuilding it...
[20:25] <tumbleweed> lucas: btw, the bug says 11.04
[20:27] <lucas> tumbleweed: oh, misread it. then maybe it's fixed already
[20:28] <lucas> ah, probably not
[20:28] <tumbleweed> I can't reproduce it on natty amd64


[18:21] <B-|> i wanna change the hostname on a hetzner vps
[18:21] <B-|> what should i be looking for?
[18:22] <B-|> i see the old hostname in /var/lib/cloud/data/set-hostname and /var/lib/cloud/instances
[18:22] <B-|> should i just change those?
[18:30] <meena> B-|: i Don't think hetzner allows changing user-data after deployment.
[18:31] <B-|> OVER
[18:31] <B-|> then what do i do
[18:34] <meena> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/modules.html#set-hostname
[18:49] <B-|> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhat thfihfsihdkh
[18:50] <B-|> meena: it keeps changing the hostname on reboot
[18:51] <meena> maybe they do something funky in their vendor data
[18:51] <meena> but then, i don't know what your user-data looks like
[18:52] <B-|> meena: and where is that?
[19:05] <meena> B-|: it's at the creation menu, age then after a run you can find it in /var/lib/cloud
[23:02] <meena> are there any milestoned plans for what to do with network_state.py?
[23:06] <meena> I may be confusing this with something else
[23:39] <meena> yeah, actually, I have no idea how NetworkState works. Why is handle_ethernets never called? or is it called through some dispatch magic that I don't understand?
[23:47] <meena> rharper: you seem to have written this code… any idea what it does? :O


[03:25] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: got it
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <bkerensa> hello dholbach so any suggestions for more interviews before end of cycle?
[07:23] <dholbach> sure, I'll let you know
[14:28] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2, akgraner, nhandler: need a fridge review
[14:29] <akgraner> ok - give me about 10 mins and I'll take a look :-)
[14:29] <akgraner> otp atm :-)
[14:29] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks
[16:12] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: there is a lot of whitespace in that post, mind if I reformat a bit?
[16:14]  * pleia2 does
[16:15] <pleia2> published
[21:03] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue284
[21:10] <Unit193> Still good, so it says at least. >_>
[21:15] <pleia2> :)


[00:05] <blahdeblah> Hi all.  We've had another spam flood on the main wiki and I've set it to read-only for a while.  Is there someone around who can update #ubuntu topic (and any other relevant channels) with this info?
[20:58] <Unit193> Pici: Mind if I poke jose about removing the IRC team meetings from the GCal?  (TBH, been bugging me for a while.)
[20:58] <jose> o/
[20:58] <jose> you've just poked me
[20:58] <Unit193> jose: Shush, no I haven't!
[20:58] <jose> :P
[20:59] <Unit193> I'm not on the IRC council, I can't actually ask you.
[20:59] <jose> but you've poked me, though.
[20:59] <Pici> Unit193: I personally don't have a problem with it, but why don't we leave it for the next set IRCC folks.
[21:01] <Unit193> Well, just figured I'd ask, since they didn't meet all last year.  (And I was looking at my calendar for today.)
[21:02] <Unit193> OK, sure.


[01:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3958 Proposed pocket (focal/ruby-psych). Release pocket (focal/jruby)
[02:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3958 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3958 Merging branches
[16:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3658 Failed to build (disco/nux). Ready to build (/:, /: Failed to update local lp:nux cache., disco/Failed, disco/cache., disco/local, disco/lp:nux, disco/to, disco/update)
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3658 Failed to build (disco/nux). Ready to build (/:, disco/Failed, disco/cache., disco/local, disco/lp:nux, disco/to, disco/update)
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3937 Dependency wait (focal/gjs). Diff missing (focal/adwaita-icon-theme, focal/budgie-desktop, focal/mozjs68). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (focal/gnome-shell-extensions). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (focal/gnome-shell, focal/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator, focal/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons, focal/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock, focal/mutter, focal/y


[03:38] <zooko> Hi folks!
[03:41] <zooko> I like lubuntu, so I chose it for the flavor of Ubuntu to install on my Samsung ARM Chromebook 1: http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/2013/05/chrubuntu-one-script-to-rule-them-all_31.html
[03:41] <zooko> Hm...
[03:41] <zooko> I see that others have reported the same crashes in the comments as I am seeing...
[03:41] <zooko> I'll go try their suggestions now ...
[03:41] <holstein> !arm
[03:42] <zooko> Thanks.
[03:42] <holstein> zooko: i would do whatever is arm specific,then just add lxde
[03:47] <zooko> holstein: some of the commenters say nothing newer than 12.04 works on ARM.
[03:47] <holstein> zooko: sure.. sounds likely
[11:10] <rafaellaguna> o/
[14:25] <pmatulis> this is woefully out of date: http://lubuntu.net/tags/download
[15:11] <The0x539> oh dear
[16:51] <JamesMc_> Question for the group. Has anyone sent a fax (or know someone) who has sent a fax by Lubuntu/Ubuntu?
[16:58] <holstein> JamesMc_: sure
[16:58] <holstein> JamesMc_: i personally just setup an email to fax# account to simplify the process for myself
[16:59] <JamesMc_> Holstein, do you use any software like efax or ggax?
[16:59] <holstein> JamesMc_: there are also many appliances that just do the faxing, which is the case where i have implemented linux for others.. but, i have setup faxing in the past.. and it worked. though, those tools are being likely dropped, or not included by default, or just not developed as much as they once were, since.. folks dont fax as much as they once did
[17:00] <holstein> JamesMc_: i used something from the default repos at the time.. that would have been maybe 8.04 or so
[17:01] <JamesMc_> Holstein, is the fax account free or paid?
[17:01] <holstein> JamesMc_: i dont use it anymore, friend..
[17:02] <JamesMc_> Ahh... ok
[17:02] <holstein> JamesMc_: i had a free one that had a pay for tier that i personally never needed to pay for
[17:04] <JamesMc_> My reason for asking is that in a few years, I will be retiring. Me and my lady are thinking a retiring in a RV on the road - and I have thought of using my Lubuntu laptop as a mobile office with printer/fax and scanner capability
[17:04] <holstein> !info efax
[17:05] <holstein> JamesMc_: why?
[17:05] <holstein> JamesMc_: why not just email.. that would come in via data more easily.. and not require a phone connection. or keeping up with a phone #
[17:05] <holstein> i would rather pay for a service, i think, to give someone a # is they prefer faxing.. which, they likely would be fine emailing whatever is needed..
[17:06] <holstein> though, nothing is preventing lubuntu from sending and recieveing faxes.. i cant imagine the fax technology getting more prevelent in any way over the next few years, though.. on any operating system
[17:06] <JamesMc_> Holstein, we also do medieval and renn fairs. Sometimes the fair/festival need us to fax proof of insurance or something like that.
[17:07] <holstein> JamesMc_: you can likely just email as well. but, im not debating *if* you need to fax
[17:07] <holstein> JamesMc_: the fact is, faxing is going away
[17:07] <holstein> JamesMc_: you *can* fax to and from lubuntu
[17:07] <holstein> personally, regardless of operating systems, i would put very little thought into future planning regarding faxing and fax capability
[17:08] <JamesMc_> By keeping a fax ability - I am keeping my bases covered.  8-)
[17:08] <holstein> JamesMc_: sure.. cover what you like, friend..
[17:08] <holstein> !Info efax
[17:09] <holstein> ^ thats were i would start.. no doubt, ubuntu *can* send and recieve faxes.. assuming you have a dial up modem and all that in place.. but, i would just route through a service that would make it more reliable and easy regardless of operating system
[17:09] <JamesMc_> Just yesterday... I had to fax copies of receipts because a mixup on their end denied paying some of my medical bills.
[17:10] <JamesMc_> On the road... there is no certainity of finding a library or Staples with a fax machine.
[17:13] <JamesMc_> Sorry Holstein, some of the people we deal with still work with 20th tech instead of 21st century tech.   8-(
[17:51] <ele88__> hello:) could someone help me?
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> let's try ;)
[17:52] <ele88__> :) first of all sorry for my very bad english
[17:52] <rafaellaguna> don't worry for that
[17:53] <ele88__> ok....:) so, i installed lubuntu 14.04 and all is good but the volume is too low
[17:53] <ele88__> i try with sìpulseaudio
[17:53] <ele88__> sorry, pulseaudio but nothing
[17:54] <silverlion> ele88__: where are you from?
[17:54] <ele88__> i can ear something , just the volume
[17:54] <ele88__> italy
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> Lubuntu don't use PulseAudio, still uses Alsa
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> Try opening a terminal and type alsamixer
[17:54] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: not necessarily
[17:54] <silverlion> i am running pulseaudio too
[17:55] <ele88__> ok i did
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> can you see the audio channels?
[17:55] <ele88__> i try with alsamixer
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> you can move from one to another with the arrow keys
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> and change values with up and down
[17:56] <rafaellaguna> is there any too low? try to adjust
[17:56] <ele88__> yes i can and i change all values at the top
[17:56] <rafaellaguna> and still low volume?
[17:56] <ele88__> yes:(
[17:57] <rafaellaguna> okay, radical solution. does your pc have enough space?
[17:58] <ele88__> i think...just a moment
[17:58] <ele88__> 75G free
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> exit the alsamixer (esc) and type "sudo apt-get install xfce4-mixer"
[17:59] <ele88__> is a very old pc..
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> mine too :)
[17:59] <ele88__> ok
[17:59] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: i'd go and try pavucontrol ;)
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> pavucontrol is more for pulseaudio, isn't it?
[18:00] <rafaellaguna> i'd prefer xfce4-mixer or gnome-alsa-mixer for alsa
[18:00] <ele88__> really i don't konw...is my first time with linux...
[18:00] <ele88__> ok all is installed
[18:00] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: yeah but depending on what software he is using he might use pulseaudio
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> run it. once opened you'll need to choose a soundcard (the expandable list) and the "add" controls. maybe the one we're looking for is hidden in alsamixer (it happens to me)
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> silverlion, Lubuntu 14.04 uses alsa only
[18:02] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: and why am i using pulseaudio then?
[18:02] <ele88__> in souncard menu i read pulseaudiomixer for all
[18:02] <silverlion> :D
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> silverlion, maybe you added another desktop, like Ubuntu
[18:03] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: negative ;)
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> ele88__, ok, now "select controls" and activate all of them, specially "speakers" or similar
[18:04] <rafaellaguna> PCM is very important
[18:04] <ele88__> in select control i have only master
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> can you choose in the upper "menu" to another device?
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> you should see "playback" too
[18:06] <ele88__> i select playback  in soundcard menu, then i move to select control but i have only master
[18:07] <rafaellaguna> and "capture"? try all the options in that menu
[18:08] <ele88__> ....only master for all...
[18:08] <rafaellaguna> something's wrong, it looks you cannot control anything of your soundcard
[18:08] <rafaellaguna> what soundcard is it? do you know?
[18:09] <ele88__> how can i know that?
[18:09] <ele88__> in computer tecnique details?
[18:09] <rafaellaguna> an app called "system profile" in system apps, I think
[18:11] <rafaellaguna> or "hardinfo" in the terminal
[18:12] <ele88__> front headphone HDA VIA VT82xx
[18:12] <rafaellaguna> at pic devices, audio device
[18:12] <ele88__> speaker and mix the same
[18:13] <rafaellaguna> pci devices, sorry
[18:13] <rafaellaguna> are the speakers integrated in the computer?
[18:13] <rafaellaguna> or they have cable?
[18:14] <ele88__> integrated, but it always works...
[18:14] <ele88__> VT8237A/VT8251 HDA controller
[18:14] <ele88__> do you know if maybe with lubuntu 12.10 is better?
[18:15] <rafaellaguna> the sound subsystem is the same
[18:15] <rafaellaguna> but, as major is the version, better devices support, so older means less devices managed
[18:16] <rafaellaguna> maybe you need drivers for thast, try "software and updates", at system menu
[18:17] <ele88__> ok it's searching for updates
[18:17] <rafaellaguna> nice ;)
[18:18] <ele88__> ok there are some software updates...install?
[18:18] <ele88__> installing
[18:18] <ele88__> :)
[18:19] <rafaellaguna> any audio driver? or just graphic'
[18:19] <ele88__> ehm...lots lib
[18:19] <rafaellaguna> that's good
[18:20] <rafaellaguna> and free ;)
[18:20] <ele88__> two linux-image
[18:20] <rafaellaguna> that's the kernel (nucleo) maybe drivers for your soundcard
[18:21] <ele88__> i hope...this is my mother's pc...
[18:21] <ele88__> :D
[18:22] <rafaellaguna> now restart when finished and come back here. I'm not going anywhere ;)
[18:22] <ele88__> thank you sooooooo much!!!
[18:22] <rafaellaguna> ank me, it's not fixed yet
[18:22] <rafaellaguna> please, come back and tell me if it works
[18:22] <ele88__> ok
[18:28] <rafaellaguna> ele88__, I have looking for your problem, and I found something
[18:29] <ele88__> tell me:D
[18:29] <rafaellaguna> it seems the old kernel fails with your soundcard, the explanation is here:
[18:29] <rafaellaguna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1225789
[18:29] <rafaellaguna> and the solution is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS
[18:30] <rafaellaguna> you need to download this package: oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-raring-dkms_0.201309132333~ubuntu12.04.1_all.deb
[18:30] <rafaellaguna> it's the specific driver for your soundcard
[18:30] <ele88__> it's still unpacking and installing....
[18:31] <ele88__> when finish i restart and install the driver
[18:31] <rafaellaguna> check first if the upgrade was enough, if not follow the instructions
[18:31] <ele88__> or can i do all togheder?
[18:31] <rafaellaguna> I guess yess
[18:31] <ele88__> ok:)
[18:32] <rafaellaguna> yissss
[18:32] <rafaellaguna> :D
[18:32] <ele88__> where are you from? if I could ask
[18:33] <rafaellaguna> oh yes, I'm in Spain now... vicino! But I'm from UK
[18:34] <rafaellaguna> what part of Italy are you from?
[18:34] <ele88__> lovely Spain
[18:34] <rafaellaguna> :D
[18:34] <ele88__> Sardegna....più vicino:)
[18:34] <ele88__> i did compostala's way some years ago
[18:34] <rafaellaguna> ohmygod, molto vicino, I'm in Valencia, we share catalan as language
[18:35] <ele88__> are you a student?
[18:36] <rafaellaguna> nope
[18:36] <rafaellaguna> I'm 39 years old. But I look like 28! :D
[18:37] <ele88__> :)
[18:37] <rafaellaguna> so you're new with Linux. What do you think? I'm very interested
[18:38] <ele88__> well not so new, i use it at university...is the first time i try to install it
[18:38] <rafaellaguna> and? :)
[18:38] <ele88__> i like very much linux, i love the idea behind it
[18:39] <rafaellaguna> me too, that's why I'm here
[18:39] <rafaellaguna> one day humanity will work for helping others, not for money. Ubuntu is just a stone for the mountain
[18:40] <ele88__> maybe if one don't know enough things (like me) for problems isn't easy... but there are a mountain of helping website and chats :):)
[18:41] <ele88__> hoping that day came soon..
[18:41] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm a member (6 year s), a kind of developer for artwork, and I needed help yesterday :D
[18:41] <rafaellaguna> we help each other
[18:43] <ele88__> yes is really important!! i'm going to leave windows also on my pc but first I have to solve some things like using emacs fot latex and C programming
[18:44] <rafaellaguna> wow, that's sorcery for me :D I only do icons and wallpapers (and some graphic stuff)
[18:44] <ele88__> just very simple things:)
[18:45] <ele88__> well all installed but problem still there
[18:45] <rafaellaguna> you need to reboot
[18:45] <ele88__> i try to download package but i can't find it
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+files/oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms_0.201406181447~ubuntu14.04.1_all.deb
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> hat link onto the url
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> *copy that
[18:47] <rafaellaguna> another option, do you what PPAs are?
[18:48] <ele88__> ehm....no....
[18:49] <rafaellaguna> I'll explain you once you download that package, install it and reboot ;)
[18:50] <ele88__> ok:)
[18:50] <rafaellaguna> I highly recommend to read www.lffl.org it's an Italian blog dedicated to Ubuntu and it's flavours
[18:51] <ele88__> thank you!!:D
[18:51] <ele88__> installing....
[18:51] <rafaellaguna> :)
[18:55] <ele88__> ok rebooted....now i try
[18:56] <rafaellaguna> I'm anxious
[18:57] <ele88__> :( i'm so sorry...
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> ooooh
[18:57] <ele88__> maybe i do something wrong
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> no, maybe it lacks something
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> ok, time to add a PPA
[18:58] <rafaellaguna> You know Ubuntu uses a "market", a place where all apps are for download
[18:58] <ele88__> :)
[18:58] <ele88__> yes
[18:59] <rafaellaguna> well, a PPA is an "extension" to the Software Center. It's a folder outside Ubuntu for having more apps available (a kind of extra-market)
[18:59] <rafaellaguna> open a terminal, we're going to add the PPA for the Intel Audio cards
[18:59] <ele88__> ok rady
[19:00] <ele88__> ready
[19:00] <rafaellaguna> type this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily
[19:02] <ele88__> ok
[19:02] <ele88__>  it give me some thing
[19:02] <rafaellaguna> asks your password, and then if accepted or not
[19:03] <ele88__> but could you wait just a minute because i m writing on another pc...i move to the linux-pc
[19:03] <rafaellaguna> don't worry
[19:04] <ele88_> okhere i'm
[19:04] <rafaellaguna> did you add the PPA?
[19:05] <ele88_> yes i did...it give me that
[19:05] <ele88_> gpg: portachiavi "/tmp/tmprrclc8ep/secring.gpg" creato gpg: portachiavi "/tmp/tmprrclc8ep/pubring.gpg" creato gpg: richiesta della chiave 72B194E5 dal server hkp keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: /tmp/tmprrclc8ep/trustdb.gpg: creato il trustdb gpg: chiave 72B194E5: chiave pubblica "Launchpad Ubuntu Audio Dev team PPA" importata gpg: Numero totale esaminato: 1 gpg:               importate: 1  (RSA: 1) OK
[19:05] <rafaellaguna> perfect, now type this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:06] <rafaellaguna> that refreshes your apps database, and then apply every available upgrade
[19:06] <ele88_> ok....working....
[19:06] <rafaellaguna> As I read on that page (and it's Ubuntu official) if your driver doesn't work fine, it will, because they're adding more soundcards DAILY :o
[19:07] <rafaellaguna> that package you downloaded before is at the PPA too, if they upgrade it you'll receive automatically the new version, that's what PPAs do
[19:07] <ele88_> ok great! i'm luky
[19:07] <ele88_> ok finish
[19:07] <ele88_> reboot?
[19:08] <rafaellaguna> I'm sorry I really couldn't help you, but I hope these guys update soon your driver
[19:08] <ele88_> ok so i have to wait...?
[19:09] <rafaellaguna> I'm afraid yes
[19:09] <rafaellaguna> I'm sorry
[19:09] <ele88_> oh don't worry that's ok:):)
[19:10] <rafaellaguna> :)
[19:11] <ele88_> could i contact you if i'll have any problem?
[19:11] <rafaellaguna> Of course. I use to be here.
[19:11] <ele88_> thank you rafael!!! have a great time!!!:)
[22:55] <dokopp> hi, i have a laptop (http://www.driversguru.com/manufacturer/Lenovo-model-IdeaPad%20S410p) on which the sound doesnt work with Lubuntu 14.04. On Ubuntu (newest) the sound does work. Anybody have an idea how tfix this for lubuntu..?


[17:18] <Bashing-om> If somebody(s) will proof read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue538 to see if ready for release - will be a big relieve.
[23:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: The wiki is up for this issue .. awaiting others now to proof read .
[23:11] <guiverc> sorry had a bug (re-occurrence)  this morning (18.10) so busy bug-reporting for now...; [waiting for ubuntu-bug, then back to lp & for my blurb & upload files etc]
[23:11] <guiverc> will look for sure, but may be awhile sorry Bashing-om
[23:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Oh no hurry .. Besides I "think" the proofer should be a 3rd party .
[23:21] <guiverc> :)
[23:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Not to say that I hope it does meet your approval :P
[23:25] <guiverc> sure didn't take it that way; just loved that I didn't have to read anything i wrote !! :)
[23:27] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: How to Enable Picture in Picture Mode in Google Chrome @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=131789 (by Joey Sneddon)
[23:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah, my case: when I write and right again and rewrite - I can no longer see the tree for the forest .


[09:58] <sforshee> dmj_s76: there's a new linux-firmware in xenial-proposed which includes some iwlwifi updates. Thought you might want to give it a spin on some of your hw to check for problems.
[19:38] <manjo> apw, Ubuntu-4.10.0-19.21 is final tag ?
[19:39] <manjo> arges, ^
[21:06] <apw> n
[21:06] <apw> manjo: as in the tag for the release pocket? yes
[21:14] <manjo> apw, cool thanks
[21:33] <apw> manjo: there is no guarantee we will have no respins before release
[21:33] <manjo> final freeze was yesterday ☺
[21:34] <manjo> apw, but ack
[21:34] <manjo> it probably will be minor delta .. so not worried
[21:34] <apw> manjo: and if there are release critical bugs we can break that
[21:36] <manjo> apw, ack.. thanks a ton.. you are up late ☺
[22:18] <dmj_s76> sforshee: Just finished testing linux-firmware in proposed.  Everything seems to work fine.  If there are issues, they're in some corner case.