[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:09] <popey> morning
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thank any arbitrary deity for Feedly :-)
[07:13] <popey> heh
[07:13]  * popey went for newsblur
[07:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> GReader in iGoogle died today for me :-( iGoogle was my kind of "start" button for the Internet each day...
[07:14] <Myrtti> iGoogle was supposed to die ages ago
[07:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> November IIRC
[07:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/army-restricts-access-to-the-guardian-in-the-wake-of-nsa-leaks
[07:32] <ali1234> firefox user unaffected
[07:36] <knightwise> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah .. I'm still coding around the demise of Google reader
[07:37] <dwatkins> I switched to newsblur, it seems okay.
[07:50] <MooDoo> morning
[08:06] <popey>  /nick POPEY
[08:08] <MooDoo> everyone changing their nic to capitals today?
[08:09] <knightwise> and why is that ?
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Where's JamesTait when you need him? Maybe it's "Change you NIC to CAPITALS Day"?
[08:10] <MooDoo> knightwise: lol I was just having a joke, not a funny one I might add
[08:10] <knightwise> MooDoo: i wansn't expecting that much coming from you :p
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe popey's cat stood on the caps lock key...
[08:11] <MooDoo> knightwise: why thank you
[08:12] <knightwise> :)
[08:13] <knightwise> Crap
[08:13] <knightwise> Facebook does not appear to support updating via email for me.
[08:13] <knightwise> that ruins some of the automated promotion scripts i had in mind
[08:15] <MooDoo> bloomin facebook, I discovered the other day that there is another place where I can see messages, apparently I've missed 5/6 job offers....sigh
[08:15] <mungbean> job offers via fb?
[08:16] <MooDoo> mungbean: I'll rephrase, photography enquiries
[08:16] <mungbean> my place is hiring like crazy atm, but probably best suited to junior sysadmin who wants to step up
[08:16] <mungbean> ah
[08:16] <MooDoo> have you advertised mungbean ?
[08:17] <MooDoo> I didn't realise that there was an OTHER section in the messages bit,so missed a lot
[08:17] <mungbean> i am not directly involved in that dept, but they advertise on jobs.ac.uk
[08:17] <MooDoo> work at a uni/school?
[08:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:17] <mungbean> uni MooDoo
[08:17] <MooDoo> mungbean: nice
[08:17] <mungbean> meh
[08:17] <mungbean> too many munters
[08:17] <mungbean> and numpties
[08:18] <mungbean> interspersed with talented people who aren't listened to because they aren't contractors or project manager types
[08:18] <MooDoo> still nice to work at a uni
[08:18] <mungbean> its getting me down a bit tbh
[08:18] <mungbean> the eejits are taking over
[08:18] <MooDoo> mungbean: oh dear, how come?   just to many numpties?
[08:19] <mungbean> yeah
[08:19] <MooDoo> mungbean: ever read BOFH?
[08:19] <mungbean> used to in the 90s
[08:19] <MooDoo> mungbean: there you go then, get a PFY and have a little fun ;)
[08:19] <mungbean> there's a few old guard neckbeards like that, they are retiring now though
[08:19] <dwatkins> this sounds depressingly familiar
[08:20] <MooDoo> mungbean: which uni?
[08:20] <knightwise> Lol , just checked that section
[08:20] <knightwise> got some podcast listener feedback stuck in there
[08:20] <knightwise> from 2011
[08:20] <mungbean> PM'd
[08:20] <MooDoo> yeah got it thanks
[08:21] <mungbean> probably better not bee any more specifc about the problems but meh
[08:22] <MooDoo> some nice jobs there
[08:22] <dwatkins> I was reading the other day about how things are at Microsoft (I work for a large company also), and I guess this kind of thing is somewhat inevitable in a big company.
[08:23] <JAMESTAIT> Good morning all, happy Friday and HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY! :-D
[08:23] <mungbean> yes, i've worked at a lot of companies and banks of aroudn 100-250 staff
[08:24] <mungbean> generally the techie is the PM too and they have to deliver
[08:24] <mungbean> and it works well
[08:24] <dwatkins> I used to work for a relatively large company, but things seemed to work well there for the most part, as it wasn't huge.
[08:24] <mungbean> sometimes its possible to find a niche in a large company where you are fairly autonomous
[08:25] <mungbean> my previous role in the large company manged that and was my best job ever
[08:25] <dwatkins> in support, we constantly have to justify our existence, and log time spent in some way or other
[08:28] <MooDoo> dwatkins: you at a uni/school as well?
[08:37] <Laney> xnox: you coming tomorrow?
[08:38] <MooDoo> Laney: you're in notts aren't you or am I going mad?
[08:38] <Laney> yes
[08:38] <Laney> you've asked me that quite a few times before :P
[08:38] <MooDoo> Laney: armed forces day?
[08:38] <MooDoo> Laney: i'm old and senile ;)
[08:38] <Laney> I'm asking him about https://hackntalkjune.eventbrite.com/
[08:39] <MooDoo> Laney: /me shuts up
[08:39] <Laney> heh
[08:40] <Laney> I got annoyed yesterday with the city council's incessant tweeting about armed forces day
[08:40] <mungbean> Laney: seems http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/ is up your street
[08:41] <Laney> :D
[08:41] <Laney> I follow something like that on twitter
[08:42] <directhex> i am the king of british problems
[08:43] <directhex> the trick is it needs to be something utterly insignificant, and entirely uncommon to any other culture
[08:43] <directhex> like... "my digestives keep dissolving in my tea before i can eat them". that's a canonical example
[08:43] <Laney> There's definitely one around tasters of real ale
[08:44] <Laney> Try two. Hate them both. Order a pint of one anyway because you don't want to admit it.
[08:44] <mungbean> function of weather,marmite, tea, crisps, beer prices,
[08:45] <directhex> mungbean, yeah, you got it!
[08:45] <directhex> e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/uw37p/i_need_to_empty_the_bins_but_its_really_rainy_out/
[08:45] <mungbean> gets dull after a while
[08:45] <mungbean> i downvote all the tea ones
[08:45] <directhex> i liked http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1fkm5t/four_shires_magazine_is_available_in_five/ that's one of my best
[08:45] <mungbean> mainly cos i hate tea, thats a british problem in itself
[08:45] <directhex> it's painfully middle-class, for an extra boost
[08:46] <directhex> and related to http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1204ii/the_only_magazines_at_the_doctors_surgery_are/
[08:51]  * DJones wonders if its worth starting a petition to move Wimbledon Fortnight and Glastonbury to wintertime, every year it comes around and the uk weather turns very wet, at least if they were in winter, we'd expect the rain and it wouldn't ruin the annual 2 weeks of sunshine
[08:52] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:52] <bigcalm> Wah, new version of Chromium has window decorations
[08:52] <bigcalm> Fear change
[08:52] <JAMESTAIT> DJones, +1
[09:00] <diplo> Hi guys, any help would be appreciated
[09:00] <diplo> of one anyway because you don't want to admit it.
[09:00] <diplo> hmm :/
[09:00] <diplo> paste fail
[09:01] <diplo> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5807205/
[09:01] <diplo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14543767/beautifulsoup-extracting-value-from-children-nodes
[09:01] <diplo> Basically, I want to extract data from that page from the span class=Label33
[09:01] <diplo> And all child elements, from everywhere I read that works
[09:02] <diplo> But.. it only displays the first element
[09:02] <diplo> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5807207/
[09:03] <diplo> _any_ help would be aprreciated, I've tried loads of different ways.. I either get the whole page or just the first element.
[09:10] <mungbean> it has to be python?
[09:12] <bigcalm> jQuery!
[09:13] <popey> minecraft!
[09:13] <popey> oh, wrong thing
[09:13] <mungbean> curl/php
[09:13] <mungbean> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9515891/how-to-use-curl-to-fetch-specific-data-from-a-website-and-then-save-it-my-databa
[09:15] <JAMESTAIT> diplo, have you tried iterating over results instead of just printing it?
[09:15] <JAMESTAIT> diplo, it could be that it's doing something funky in __str__
[09:16] <diplo> mungbean: Anything :) - will check that link
[09:16] <diplo> JAMESTAIT: Yep, but all I've read is it wants to know specific tags
[09:17] <diplo> Different pages have different results
[09:17] <bigcalm> Somebody, who isn't me, suggesting a PHP route? What is the world coming to?
[09:24] <JAMESTAIT> diplo, actually, looking at the source for that page, there is only one span with class="Label33"
[09:25] <JAMESTAIT> Oh, ignore me.
[09:25] <MooDoo> JAMESTAIT: who what? ;)
[09:25] <JAMESTAIT> It's the children you're after. :)
[09:25] <JAMESTAIT> MooDoo, shhh, you'll blow my cover. ;)
[09:27] <MooDoo> lol
[09:27] <diplo> Yep :/
[09:28] <xnox> Laney: i'm not =( well... i can pop in for an hour between 11 and 12, but then I'm off to http://londoncommunitypride.org/
[09:29] <Laney> SHOCKING!
[09:29] <Laney> haha, that was a surprising lead image to see :P
[09:31] <bigcalm> Laney: really?
[09:31] <Laney> yes?
[09:31] <bigcalm> No?
[09:31] <Laney> oh sorry I lied about being surprised
[09:31] <Laney> thanks for correcting me
[09:31] <bigcalm> ...
[09:32] <bigcalm> You go to a Gay Pride website and are surprised so see that image. I'm surprised by your surprise
[09:34] <MooDoo> does good still change the search bar when you type in gay?
[09:34] <MooDoo> google i meant
[09:34] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:34] <MooDoo> cool :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> MooDoo: as do 'lesbian' and 'lgbt'
[09:35] <mungbean> wow, go away for 5 mins and the convo is not about php any more...
[09:35] <MooDoo> bigcalm: just read about it on the news the other day, think it was due to something about same sex marriage in the us or something
[09:35] <JAMESTAIT> diplo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5807267/
[09:35] <directhex> search for "tilt"
[09:36] <mungbean> barrel roll
[09:37] <bigcalm> +do a
[09:37] <directhex> peppy hare has a lot to answer for. teaching kids that an aileron roll is called a barrel roll
[09:38] <bigcalm> mungbean: it even did it on my phone!
[09:38] <mungbean> 2 different things
[09:42] <diplo> thank you JAMESTAIT, just locating pyquery
[09:42] <bigcalm> JAMESTAIT: are you in a shouty mood today?
[09:42] <MooDoo> bigcalm: it's CAPITAL letters day
[09:43] <JAMESTAIT> bigcalm, did no-one tell you?
[09:43] <JAMESTAIT> bigcalm, it's CAPS LOCK DAY! :)
[09:43] <popey> xnox: looks like the weather might hold out for pride tomorrow!
[09:43] <popey> ACCORDING TO MY UBUNTU PHONE WEATHER APP!
[09:43]  * JAMESTAIT ignores popey.
[09:44] <MooDoo> hope it's ok in Nottingham it's ARMED FORCES DAY!
[09:44] <xnox> Laney: they changed the image, previous one was less bewilderment "two brides, changing banner to two topless guys hugging"
[09:44] <knightwise> MY WIFES GRANDMA CELEBRATES CAPS LOCK DAY ON FACEBOOK ALL YEAR LONG
[09:45] <JAMESTAIT> diplo, sorry, I missed your response. python-pyquery in the archives, or pip install pyquery ;)
[09:45] <Laney> xnox: I don't see topless guys, just an extreme closeup of a snog (and further down, some dismembered feet)
[09:45] <mungbean> always seems to be sex and promsicuity obsessed
[09:46] <diplo> Couldn't find in the archives, installed pip
[09:46] <diplo> ta
[09:46] <popey> "Please note the following arrangements are strictly for older members of the LGBT+ community and are being provided by Opening Doors London."
[09:46] <popey> hehe
[09:46] <Laney> anyway, I bet such things are quite a laugh
[09:46] <Laney> possibly in a different way to hackntalk ...
[09:46] <popey> yeah, I'd expect so
[09:46] <popey> hehe
[09:47] <mungbean> i think in a few years the gay community will regret the over sexualised image that they have created
[09:47] <popey> like there isn't a secualised image of straight women?
[09:47] <popey> *sexualised
[09:47] <directhex> boobies!
[09:47] <xnox> mungbean: yeah, makes the whole compaign for marriage weird.
[09:48] <mungbean> what i mean is that sexual orientation is not related to your sex and weirdness drive
[09:48] <xnox> Laney: yeah, they changed to a snog and I don't know why =/
[09:48] <mungbean> but they have created an environmnent, which TV exacerbates, that gay = camp, shagging machine
[09:49] <directhex> you can't fill out a 44 minute tv show with "they're identical, except they like the same sex". you gotta stress differences for ratings!
[09:49] <mungbean> as evidenced by lurid costumes and displays of snogging on this event
[09:49] <directhex> get a reacttion! make money!
[09:49] <mungbean> lots of men in small pants
[09:50] <directhex> that was awesomely out of context for dogmatic69
[09:50] <bigcalm> :D
[09:50] <bigcalm> Gain weight and all existing pants feel small
[09:51] <directhex> anyway, the sexualization of "gay culture" is largely an aggressive push back against being marginalized, i.e. "you want us to hide who we are and pretend we don't exist, because gayness makes you uncomfortable? LOOK AT MY FABULOUS CROTCH"
[09:51] <dogmatic69> ?
[09:51] <mungbean> yes, which is what happened when kids came "out" at school
[09:51] <mungbean> suddenly turned into innuendo machines
[09:56] <xnox> http://www.upworthy.com/so-sweet-high-schoolers-prove-that-equality-is-the-cutest
[09:56] <Laney> I want to click "I Disagree" just to see what happens
[09:57]  * Laney does that in a private window
[09:57] <popey> heh
[09:57] <popey> i always close those, they annoy me
[09:57] <Laney> it just dismisses it
[09:58] <bigcalm> They almost always make me instantly close the site
[09:58] <popey> you thought it might berate you? ☻
[09:58] <Laney> yeah, and possibly set a cookie so that you continue to get abused in future
[09:59] <popey> It's like when a homeless / beggar on the street calls out to you "Do you want to make the world a better place?". I invariably say "Nope!"
[10:01] <mungbean> what's the beggars plan?
[10:01] <mungbean> i remember a beggar in machester i used to give to (naively)
[10:01] <bigcalm> Making the world a better place for themselves
[10:02] <popey> Engage in conversation I suspect.
[10:02] <MooDoo> mungbean: begger wearing nikes?
[10:02] <mungbean> then i saw a programme where he owned a flat, he biked to "work" and parked round the corner, and begged, earning £££ tax free
[10:02] <popey> I am not judging them, I just don't like people trying to force me to have a conversation by asking provocative questions, that's all.
[10:02] <mungbean> +1
[10:02] <mungbean> i blank everybody in the street
[10:02] <mungbean> its london
[10:03] <bigcalm> :)
[10:04] <bigcalm> There's something about that place that makes me want to get from A to B as quickly as possible without interacting with the natives
[10:04] <mungbean> i hate travel in any form
[10:04] <mungbean> outside bethnal green there are 6 resident alcy's
[10:04] <mungbean> i wonder where they sleep
[10:05] <mungbean> they are like digby chicken caesar from the mitchell and webb prog
[10:05] <Laney> how bad would it be to boris bike from st pancras to the google place where hackntalk is?
[10:05] <mungbean> victoria?
[10:06] <mungbean> try it, the good thing about boris bike is you can ditch it at a slot somwehere if you wanna give up
[10:06] <Laney> http://goo.gl/maps/0l7UL
[10:08] <bigcalm> The route makes you go left on City Road from Featherstone Street and then u-turn. How odd
[10:09] <mungbean> oh near old st
[10:09] <mungbean> Join us at Google’s Campus workspace in the heart of East London’s Tech City for a day long technology unconference and workshop. This exciting venue is home to a number of high tech companies and surrounded by the startup rich environment of London’s Silicon Roundabout.
[10:09] <mungbean> Hackntalk will be a day full of enjoyable talks, demonstrations and hacking on fun projects with enthusiastic people gathering together to share their  experiences.
[10:09] <mungbean> looks good
[10:10] <bigcalm> Silicon Roundabout. Bwuhahaha
[10:10] <BigRedS> Laney: fine
[10:11] <BigRedS> it's not hugely far, but it's not a brilliant road either
[10:11] <mungbean> lame name investned by poltiicians
[10:11] <Laney> seems ok from the map
[10:11] <BigRedS> you basically go down pentonville road to old street and turn right
[10:11] <Laney> i saw that silicon roundabout last time i was in london
[10:11] <Laney> looked pretty grim to me
[10:11] <mungbean> hipster territory
[10:11] <mungbean> it is well grim
[10:11] <bigcalm> Sounds slippery
[10:12] <Laney> egads my train is at 0728
[10:25] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:25] <davmor2> Happy Friday
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: tis nearly the weekend \o/
[10:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: indeed :)
[10:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: linux install fest weekend lol
[10:30] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh that sounds fun :)
[10:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: fed up with the SGS3 freezing so frequently, I'm going to send it back to t-mobile for 2 weeks
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: I blame it being white ;)
[10:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: nah not really
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd lend you mine for a fortnight so you could see what it's like when it works :D
[10:40] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[10:40] <popey> want to borrow my iphone ☻
[10:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh come on it'll be fun
[10:40] <bigcalm> I'm actually going to be using my old Nokia I had sold to my Dad
[10:41] <xnox> Laney: that cycle ride is fine.
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah it will, fedora always rocks :p
[10:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: and that's why you install Ubuntu right cause it's stable no rocking there at all :D
[10:42] <Laney> xnox: sweet
[10:43] <Laney> xnox: I expect getting lost will be a bigger problem than the roads themselves
[10:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: fedora is stable too, don't knock it, it's just different that's all
[10:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: you said it rocks not me ;)
[10:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: :p smart arse
[10:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's sitting on the #naughtystep all the time that does I blame czajkowski
[10:47] <czajkowski> yeah yea :)
[10:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski is always naughty according to you
[10:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski: how's the mongo stuff going?  you enjoying yourself?
[10:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's cause it's always czajkowski that tells us to go to the naughty step :)
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: well i think czajkowski is lovely :p
[10:52] <xnox> czajkowski: everyone on ubuntu/debian is waiting for https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-8886 to be resolved =) than we can have "normal" mongodb in the archive with ssl support ;-)
[10:54] <davmor2> xnox: just assign the bug to czajkowski and ask her everyday if she has fixed it ;)
[10:55]  * davmor2 braces himself for the impend wallop
[10:55] <xnox> davmor2: the assignee is correct. I'd wish czajkowski could make it part of the 2.4.5 & 2.5.0 releases, instead of .6 and .1 ;-)
[10:55] <davmor2> impending even
[10:55] <davmor2> xnox: :)
[10:56] <xnox> did you think we would stop annoying you about $work stuff on $non-work channels? =)))))
[10:57] <davmor2> xnox: That sentence is too long, you can cut it before the about :D
[10:58]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: careful, she'll wallop you
[11:00] <czajkowski> xnox: you asked in #mongodb
[11:01] <xnox> czajkowski: nah, they all hate me =)
[11:03] <czajkowski> I do love jira though
[11:04] <mgdm> you're weird
[11:04] <mgdm> ;-)
[11:07] <czajkowski> hello
[11:07] <czajkowski> :)
[11:13] <bigcalm> Is there a trick to get paste.ubuntu.com to syntax highlight PHP code?
[11:13] <mungbean> wow..."Though Windows 8.1 Preview ships with the optional $10 Media Center pack (and its DVD-playing capabilities) installed, Microsoft has still given no indication that the release version will restore the ability to play DVDs. And you can't even install the Media Center pack unless you're running the $200 Windows 8 Pro, which costs $80 more than the vanilla version of Windows 8"
[11:14] <bigcalm> Step away from Windows and everybody gets to live
[11:14] <bigcalm> happy lives
[11:15] <MooDoo> mungbean: doesn't work for en-GB users without having to manually install it, then it's a 2.5 gb download
[11:15] <MooDoo> and tweak stuff
[11:16] <mungbean> or VLC
[12:20] <dogmatic69> anyone know why the system monitor does not have the 'system' tab anymore?
[12:21] <directhex> it was scary and complicated!
[12:26] <dwatkins> it gave people the fear
[12:40] <mungbean> are the spec.org results per core or a sum over all cores
[12:41] <mungbean> (i think its the latter)
[13:17] <awilkins> Could one of the Americans in the channel send me the SHA-256 fingerprint of the google.com SSL cert?
[13:17] <awilkins> Not sure how to get hold of it from the UK when google.com always redirects to google.co.uk
[13:21] <dwatkins> I get redirected to google.ie, but it asks if I want to continue using google.co.uk
[13:21] <dwatkins> I'm in the UK but my internets go through Dublin.
[13:22] <popey> you can override the redirect
[13:22] <dwatkins> https://www.google.com/?hl=en-US should do it
[13:31] <awilkins> ta
[13:31] <dwatkins> teamwork
[13:31] <MooDoo> highfive o/
[13:32] <dwatkins> \o win
[13:32] <mungbean> \o misses
[13:33] <awilkins> Anyone heard of Troxo software?
[13:34] <awilkins> The background is that we spotted that a server was connecting to a particular IP address a lot
[13:34] <awilkins> https://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[13:34] <awilkins> So, the plain page is "Database error"
[13:35] <awilkins> Then it was a 302 redirect to google.com
[13:35] <popey> http://www.atomia.com/
[13:35] <popey> them
[13:35]  * awilkins wonders why this crap is on our server
[13:36] <awilkins> The "SYSTEM" process (basically the kernel) was connecting to an HTTPS port on their secure server
[13:36] <awilkins> (This is a Windows box, apologies for the taint)
[13:36] <awilkins> Their HTTPS port was handing out the cert for google.com for a while today
[13:37] <popey> nice
[13:37] <awilkins> And their plain port was redirecting to google.com
[13:37] <awilkins> To me it just smacks of rootkit
[13:37] <jpds> awilkins: Shut down, everything.
[13:38] <popey> "IISPassword by Troxo is the add on for Microsoft IIS which password protects contents without using system user accounts. "
[13:38] <awilkins> Yes, we seem to have that
[13:39] <awilkins> It's .htaccess for IIS by the look of it
[13:39] <shauno> that's what that address is giving me; an expired cert for secure.troxo.com
[13:40] <shauno> expired in 2010 :/
[13:40] <popey> the company got bought by the look of it
[13:40] <popey> so they probably lapsed as they moved over to their new domain at atomia
[13:44] <awilkins> This all stimulated by a sudden flurry of warnings from our server monitoring which keeps deciding our web servers are down
[13:45] <awilkins> I'm guessing this is because the monitor is in a different datacentre to the web servers and the network has it's knickers in a twist, because they are all vsible from the Greater Internet
[13:45] <awilkins> But networks said "Hey, that server keeps trying to connect to <that IP> but we're blocking that at the firewall"
[13:46] <mungbean> 5 of us in the office, nobody spoken for 1 1/2 hours...peace :D
[13:46] <bigcalm> \o/
[13:46] <mungbean> makes a change from the last office i just moved from which was like a pub
[13:47] <popey> 1 of me in the house, nobody has spoken for 7 hours
[13:47] <dwatkins> the guy who sits next to me hums randomly, he doesn't even realise he's doing it
[13:47] <dwatkins> I ask him to stop, he apologises, it stops for about 30 seconds
[13:47] <mungbean> are you even dresed popey
[13:47] <popey> yes ☻
[13:47] <mungbean> if i worked at home i would buy more pyjamas
[13:48] <mungbean> change into the work pyjamas to start the day
[13:48] <dwatkins> get a pyjama suit
[13:49] <shauno> if I worked at home I'd probably get fired :/   I'm not sure it's for everyone
[13:49] <mgdm> "The internet, where no-one knows you're sitting at home in a onsie"
[13:49] <dwatkins> http://files.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Armani-Suitjamas-2.jpg
[13:50] <dwatkins> I sometimes work from home if I have a delivery or something like that, or I'm on-call at the weekend. I try not to do it too much, in case I suddenly need to have a day at home at a moment's notice.
[13:50]  * awilkins is at home pounding out CHVRCHES on YouTube
[13:50] <dwatkins> I'm in a shared office, listening to Epic Trance on my phone.
[13:50] <dwatkins> http://www.di.fm/
[13:50] <shauno> I just get all my deliveries sent to work these days.  works out much easier
[13:51] <dwatkins> Most of my deliveries go to work, yeah.
[13:51]  * mgdm is in a large open-plan office with headphones on and (currently) Orbital
[13:51] <shauno> unless it's something I really don't want to lump home, since I walk
[13:52] <awilkins> We're not allowed to send personal deliveries to work.. Silly, innit.
[13:52] <dwatkins> the guy who hums suggested I listen to http://coffitivity.com/ (people talking in a coffee shop) but it's worse than hearing humming quietly
[13:52] <dwatkins> http://rainymood.com/ is quite nice
[13:52] <mungbean> does he hum because he is wearing headphones
[13:53] <awilkins> Pink noise generate app
[13:53] <mungbean> 3d gun printing app
[13:53] <bigcalm> dwatkins: is there meant to be audio with that video?
[13:53] <mgdm> dwatkins: that's insane
[13:53]  * bigcalm kicks Chromium
[13:54] <dwatkins> bigcalm: which video?
[13:54] <bigcalm> dwatkins: your last link
[13:54] <bigcalm> No audio in Chromium, works in Firefox
[13:54] <dwatkins> oh sorry, didn't think of rainymood as a video, but yes - it has audio (the sound of rain, naturally)
[13:55] <dwatkins> I think you can turn on music as well at the bottom
[13:55] <mungbean> clementine has rain or hypnotoad
[13:55] <bigcalm> I recall there being a utility to create sound scapes
[13:55] <mungbean> almost had a heart attack when i engaged hypnotoad and my speakers were on full
[13:55] <mungbean> never again
[13:56] <dwatkins> that website has a link to their iOS app which plays rain sounds, they also have one which plays white noise
[13:56] <bigcalm> I've just found some rain mp3s I recorded a few years ago. http://lazygnome.net/rain/
[13:57]  * MartijnVdS has a CD with two thunderstorms from the 1980s
[13:57] <bigcalm> Funnily enough, I recorded those on my iRiver :D
[13:57] <dwatkins> There are some good (and some terrible) recordings of rain on youtube.
[13:57] <mungbean> \o/
[13:57] <mungbean> my iriver got nicked :(
[13:57] <dwatkins> bah
[13:58] <mungbean> but i got a cowon iaudio instead \o/
[14:28] <awilkins> You have to install the "evil" media pack for Chromium to get all the codecs, don't you
[14:28] <awilkins> Vine didn't work until I did that
[14:29] <awilkins> I have a really old 1GB iRiver flash player I use for workouts
[14:35]  * popey hugs his iRiver iHP-140
[14:36] <mungbean> is that the brick?
[14:36] <mungbean> think thats what i had
[14:36] <popey> black coloured thing with joysick on the front
[14:36] <mungbean> with a remote control that did more than most mp3 players
[14:36] <awilkins> well, the bloody stupid auto-update "zombie trojan" windows service episode has eaten 3 hours of my day
[14:36] <mungbean> and optical in
[14:37] <popey> and out
[14:37] <mungbean> the cowon iaudio is an excellent replacment though, only 16gb flash but amazing battery
[14:37] <awilkins> Auto-updaters that run as the SYSTEM account - Bad and Wrong
[14:37] <awilkins> Windows suffers so much from not having a proper package manager
[14:38] <awilkins> all the hassle we get from our Security team can essentially be traced back to running web apps on IIS because it's such a massive PITA to keep up to date with security fixes for everything in the stack that we don't actually do it
[14:39]  * awilkins shakes the ra-ra pom-poms for Linux
[14:40] <awilkins> Or even running apps on Apache for Windows
[15:17] <xnox> Browse the pics - it's hilarious http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201306277521344
[15:17] <MooDoo> don't get it
[15:18] <xnox> MooDoo: watch the number plates and how citroen becomes a peugeot
[15:18] <mgdm> Nor I
[15:18] <mgdm> Ah
[15:18] <mgdm> yes
[15:19] <MooDoo> ah lol
[15:33] <bigcalm> In case there are any PHP devs in here looking for a change, we're hiring: http://hackerjobs.co.uk/jobs/2013/6/28/siftware-senior-php-developer-remote-working
[15:34] <mgdm> Oh, that's you
[15:34] <bigcalm> :)
[15:37] <mgdm> "You will be expected to come up towards Shropshire" - 'up'
[15:37] <mgdm> there's an assumption :P
[15:37] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:37] <bigcalm> Well, people say they are going 'up' to London
[15:38] <bigcalm> Shropshire is far better
[15:39] <shauno> I've always said down to london
[15:39]  * mgdm too
[15:39] <diplo> +1
[15:40] <bigcalm> As do I
[15:40] <bigcalm> One goes down south and up north
[15:40] <bigcalm> I didn't write the job advert :P
[15:40] <diplo> And it's basically east of me, not down or up :)
[15:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Aye - as I live south of London I tend to go up to most places in the UK, possible down to Brighton and the west country but...
[15:41] <diplo> we’re thinking Bath, Bristol, \o/
[15:41] <diplo> :)
[15:41] <shauno> kinda funny that we think of the map as being one big hill, but it works
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm going to Plymouth week after next - that's a bloody long way down
[15:42] <diplo> All my family are from there, long drive for you, it's 2 hours + for me :)
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then up to Cardiff, then back down to home :-)
[15:42] <diplo> jeesh
[15:45] <BigRedS> I alwas work on the assumption that everywhere else is down from London
[15:45] <directhex> mgdm, not such an assumption.
[15:45] <directhex> the only way is up.
[15:46] <bigcalm> Baby
[15:46] <directhex> baby.
[15:46] <directhex> bigcalm++++++
[15:46] <bigcalm> :D
[15:46] <directhex> AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++ IRCer, would chat again
[15:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> earworm here we come...
[15:46] <bigcalm> LOL
[16:10]  * brobostigon returneth
[16:10] <brobostigon> sorry, wrong channel.
[16:20] <shauno> is there a sensible way to firewall per-process?  preferably something GUIish
[17:01] <BigRedS> you can do iptables per-user
[17:01] <BigRedS> no idea of a gui that'll help with that, or if it's anywhere near useful for your problem
[17:57] <davmor2> That's why the weather is so rotten then, Glastonbury and Wimbledon  we didn't stand a prayer
[18:01] <Azelphur> hey folks, more issues with my 3TB hdds
[18:01] <Azelphur> just noticed...my server seems to think they are 2TB :(
[18:03] <Azelphur> looking at the byte count, I think it's stuck by some 32bit limit?
[18:03] <Azelphur>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[18:03] <Azelphur> /dev/sdb1            2048<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>+  83  Linux
[18:06] <dwatkins> Azelphur: what's the blocksize?
[18:06] <Azelphur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808525/ there's all the info
[18:08] <Azelphur> missing some TB's :P
[18:22] <awilkins> Well, there's the + at the end
[18:22] <awilkins> Does that mean "more than this number of blocks"
[18:24] <awilkins> Presume you have GPT partitition tables on them
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> You need GPT partition tables
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> because "old-style" BIOS partition tables only go up to 2T
[18:25] <awilkins> Not sure if fdisk -l reports block in 1k increments or 1 block (where block size is 4096 bytes here(
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> parted will tell you if it's gpt though
[18:29] <Azelphur> awilkins: don't think I do
[18:29] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/HmMTcaJy
[18:29]  * Azelphur cries
[18:30] <Azelphur> it just does not want to behave, haha
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: fuser -a ?
[18:31] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: doesn't say anything, what does -a do?
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> "all"
[18:31] <Azelphur> o.O
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> so it should show who/what's using it
[18:31] <Azelphur> well fuser -a /media/012266c8-4878-44d0-8943-98db44a6a1b8/ shows nothing
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in that case: umount -l ;)
[18:33] <Azelphur> cool :)
[19:06] <ali1234> i have now officially rage quit all build systems and making my own :(
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: but.. ExtUtils::MakeMaker!
[19:09] <ali1234> make sucks
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> hence the wrapper
[19:10] <ali1234> also that looks suspiciously like perl
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> <3
[19:10] <ali1234> NO
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: aww
[19:11] <ali1234> all i want is a system whereby i can define that $1-$2.out is made by running a command in the form of foo $1.in -x $2
[19:11] <ali1234> make cannot do this
[19:11] <ali1234> it is probably the most requested feature of all time though judging by the number of people asking how to do it
[19:14] <ali1234> here's an example: car1.body.mesh: car1.blend -> blender car1.blend --background --python export-mesh.py body
[19:14] <ali1234> or another: car1-red.png: car1.xcf -> xcf2png car1.xcf -bg red
[19:14] <ali1234> make cannot generalize these commands into single rules
[19:15] <diddledan> really?
[19:15] <ali1234> yes, really
[19:15] <diddledan> that seems somewhat short sighted
[19:15] <ali1234> i know right?
[19:15] <diddledan> I figured that was the entire point of makefiles
[19:15] <ali1234> well, it's not
[19:15] <ali1234> there are some really horrible workarounds you can use
[19:16] <diddledan> make it in bash :-p
[19:16] <ali1234> like making a rule for every possible background colour
[19:16] <ali1234> which can be automated with more horrible workarounds
[19:16] <diddledan> ouch
[19:16] <ali1234> i'm doing it in python
[19:16] <diddledan> I really should learn python sometime
[19:16] <diddledan> and ruby
[19:16] <diddledan> and ruby-on-rails (I specifically separate those two)
[19:17] <ali1234> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3064403/makefile-generic-pattern-rule-xyzzy-en-us-ext2-from-xyzzy-ext0
[19:17] <diddledan> yey for the xyzzy cheat code appearing yet again
[19:17] <diddledan> colossal cave was the originator of that in case you wondered
[19:18] <diddledan> or was it colossal adventure
[19:18] <ali1234> i thought it was zork
[19:18] <ali1234> but i suppose that was a loving rip off
[19:18] <diddledan> I think colossal predates it
[19:18] <diddledan> though probably not by much
[19:20] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xyzzy
[19:24] <diddledan> "Gmail lists XYZZY as a capability when connected via IMAP before logging in. It takes no arguments, and responds with "OK Nothing happens.""
[19:24] <diddledan> lol
[19:28] <diddledan> then there's the chromebook cr-48 - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aFmEJctDQJIfB8jhxHp00z2uFj-YG2MT90kC84ZROVE?feat=directlink
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[19:30] <diddledan> there's a hidden message on that page apparently: http://blog.wellsb.com/post/6161876985/how-i-cracked-the-cr-48-easter-egg (at the bottom)
[19:38] <redtape|renegade> Yay I just bought a netbook to have a challenge with . \o/
[19:38] <diddledan> you can still buy netbooks?
[19:38] <redtape|renegade> Here it is .. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0090463E4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[19:39] <redtape|renegade> and here is the challenge ... ::: http://liliputing.com/2012/06/arch-linux-on-a-66-wm8650-netbook.html :::
[19:39] <redtape|renegade> only cost £28.00 so I can sell it again if needs be .. (usu. go for £35 on ebay)  .. but this one fell thru the net.
[19:42] <redtape|renegade> diddledan: OT : Here's why you 'can' buy them from .. http://bit.ly/18l6aRs | But you'll probably say that's pants .. which I would agree.
[19:48] <redtape|renegade> mmmpft .. Everyone must be getting drunk ... redtape shrugs.
[19:48] <diddledan> just watching the trailer of cloud atlas - looks good
[19:49] <redtape|renegade> who's in it ?
[19:49] <diddledan> tom hanks and halle berry top the list
[19:49] <redtape|renegade> oh yeah, It's about that time/space fate thingy .. looks ok ..
[19:50] <diddledan> even huff grant and susan sarandon
[19:50] <redtape|renegade> i'll google them ...
[19:50] <diddledan> don't tell me hugh doesn't spell huff!
[19:51] <diddledan> jim broadbent is in there too
[19:51] <diddledan> hugo weaving
[19:52] <diddledan> written and directed by the wachowski (matrix) brothers alongside one tom tykwer
[19:53] <diddledan> I always think lana wachowski has a girl's name tho - lana always sounds feminine to me
[19:54] <redtape|renegade> yeah, they all sound good .. I just hate it when they talk politik , as if I care !  .. redtape like's the matrix reference thou  ..
[19:54] <ali1234> diddledan: he used to be called larry
[19:54] <diddledan> now if only there was a movie download service that I could pay for it and still use/watch it in ubuntu
[19:54] <diddledan> ho hum
[19:55] <redtape|renegade> does netflix work with vpn ?
[19:55] <redtape|renegade> has anyone tried ?
[19:55] <redtape|renegade> furthermore does anyone give a ***
[19:56] <diddledan> netflix is launched in the uk now
[19:56] <redtape|renegade> not with the same catalogue <-- that's my point.
[19:56] <diddledan> aaah
[19:58] <diddledan> ali1234: he get the snip?
[19:58] <diddledan> I didn't know v for vendetta was a wachowski collab
[19:59] <mungbean> theres a chrome plugin thing
[19:59] <mungbean> for US ntflx
[20:00] <redtape|renegade> I found a a typing tutor that is helping me .. that's a chrome browser app.
[20:01] <redtape|renegade> I never thought all the browser apps and extensions would be any good .. but they are not too bad tbh.
[20:03] <diddledan> my favourite browser thingy is lastpass - I pay to get the mobile version on my galaxy nexus and nexus7 and iphone and ipad - makes remembering the multitude of passwords much easier, and apart from having all the data in one place it allows me to use more secure passwords for individual services (understanding that they're only as secure as my lastpass password)
[20:04] <mungbean> they got hacked once
[20:04] <redtape|renegade> yep , i agree..
[20:04] <redtape|renegade> but mungbean is right .. also i hate mobiles.. but that's my fault not yours.
[20:04] <mungbean> http://hola.org/
[20:04] <redtape|renegade> might change with the Uber phone.
[20:05] <mungbean> ^^ thats for netflix
[20:05] <mungbean> sorry wrong link
[20:05] <mungbean> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hola-unblocker/gkojfkhlekighikafcpjkiklfbnlmeio?hl=en
[20:06] <diddledan> so it's similar to tor?
[20:07] <redtape|renegade> with 1/3 of a million users .. I guess it must be ..
[20:12] <redtape|renegade> OT : I'm going to watch trains tomorrow with Nephew .. probably Thomas and the like .. http://bit.ly/14Be0Az
[20:13]  * redtape|renegade notes to get the camera sorted out for that trip..
[20:15]  * redtape|renegade scurries off before he feels the wrath of other nerds ...
[20:16] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[20:16] <mungbean> anyone know how to use factoids plugin for supybot?
[20:27] <DJones> mungbean: How to set it up or how to just get info out?
[20:28] <mungbean> sorted it
[20:28] <mungbean> doesn't work nicely like lubotu3
[20:28] <mungbean> i have to say "bot: whatis blah"
[20:28] <DJones> mungbean: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Aliasing_one_factoid_to_anotherAh
[20:28] <DJones> Grr
[20:28] <DJones> Ah
[20:29] <DJones> I was just digging out my links to how to set a bot up
[20:29] <mungbean> ah thanks
[20:29] <mungbean> lubotu3 has a snarfer for !commands
[20:30] <diddledan> I think that statement proves lubotu3 's point
[20:31] <mungbean> hehe
[20:31] <mungbean> i run a bot in a work chan
[20:31] <mungbean> he is growing in ability
[20:31] <mungbean> favourite plugin is urbandictionary
[20:32] <diddledan> methinks it should match "<nick><punctuation>" rather than just "<nick> "
[20:32] <mungbean> lubotu3: meh
[20:32] <DJones> diddledan: Oh I don't know, I'm sure the bots are more than capeable of responding better than a lot of users
[20:32] <mungbean> no, it matched the ! <
[20:33] <mungbean> !raring
[20:33] <mungbean> !current
[20:33] <mungbean> !latest
[20:33] <DJones> Normally its something like "!factoid | nickname" or "!factoid > nickname"
[20:33] <brobostigon> cool, john paul jones, playing with seasick steve at glastobury.
[20:33] <DJones> If you want to pipe it to a specific user
[20:34] <mungbean> right, baby asleep time for speed painting of my spitfire
[20:35] <diddledan> that's bound to end in disaster
[20:35] <mungbean> just doing second coats on some small parts
[20:36]  * DJones moves to America to enjoy the 53C temperatures expected in Death Valley https://twitter.com/BBCNewsUS/status/350713660815048704/photo/1
[20:38] <mungbean> baby crying
[20:38] <mungbean> fail
[21:35] <Azelphur> blimey, two (D)DoS attacks against my server this month, seems I'm getting popular.
[21:36] <diddledan> Azelphur: do you have anything special there that makes you so popular?
[21:36] <Azelphur> game servers
[21:36] <diddledan> aah
[21:36] <Azelphur> funny part is DDoS attacks usually come with threats/demands, these ones are just random
[21:37] <Azelphur> not that it matters, they've had no effect on services, it's odd.
[23:47] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5809419/
[23:47] <ali1234> here is my amazing make replacement :)
[23:57] <shauno> because the world was begging for another *make ;)
[23:58] <shauno> I think I have three, and I'm sure I'm missing some


[08:09] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:12] <dholbach> how are things?
[08:12] <dpm> morning dholbach
[08:12] <dpm> good morning all
[08:12] <dpm> so far so good :)
[08:17] <elfy> morning dpm
[08:18] <dpm> hi elfy :)
[13:30] <popey> any of you lot running vivid on your main laptop?
[14:31] <dpm> not yet, still on utopic, I like unicorns :)
[14:31] <dpm> perhaps Daniel is on vivid?
[14:36] <popey> I'm considering it.
[14:38] <knome> surely a pre-beta version is just fine
[14:45] <popey> it might be
[14:45] <popey> but stuff breaks :)
[14:45] <popey> e.g. steam or some other 3rd party thing I use might break
[14:46] <knome> i thought the smell of irony would have floated all the way there
[14:54] <popey> I suspect you mean sarcasm?
[15:07] <elfy> popey: specifically need laptop and ubuntu?
[15:07] <popey> hmm?
[15:08] <elfy> or would a desktop running xubuntu vivid do ?
[15:09] <popey> oh i see
[15:09] <popey> was just asking around to see how stable it is.
[15:09] <popey> I only really use Unity.
[15:09] <elfy> right - well from what I see it's stable(ish)
[15:10] <elfy> though odd issues like login problems have popped up I think
[15:16] <knome> popey, no, i mean the irony of me not knowing it's called sarcasm.
[15:16] <knome> :P
[17:06] <dholbach> good night my hippie friends - see you all tomorrow!
[17:07] <balloons> ciao dholbach!
[17:07] <dholbach> bye balloons :)


[12:29] <Riddell> \sh: kdelibs is in
[12:30] <\sh> Riddell: saw it...rock :)
[12:30] <Riddell> appologies for the delay
[12:30] <\sh> name of it? kdelibs4c2a?
[12:30] <\sh> no ways :)
[12:30] <Riddell> yes, but build-dep on kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc2)
[12:33] <\sh> lets see what we can do for universe and other stuff :)
[12:34] <\sh> what about kdebase? 3.5-rc1 is uploaded..i think you are updating them..
[12:34] <Riddell> yes, I'm just checking in pbuilder then I'll upload alkl of kde 3.5 rc2
[12:34] <Riddell> all
[12:35] <\sh> k
[01:08] <Riddell> \sh: why does kdiff3 need libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev?
[01:09] <\sh> this is one secret I have to find out/
[01:09] <\sh> it wants libacl.la and libattr.la
[01:09] <Riddell> spooky
[01:09] <\sh> from where, and why...I'll check tomorrow :)
[01:09] <\sh> yeah
[01:09] <\sh> was just a test compile against the new kdelibs :)
[01:11] <Riddell> hmm, wonder if that's a problem with kdelibs4-dev then
[01:11] <\sh> are you using somewhere libarchive?
[01:11] <Riddell> what's that?
[01:11] <\sh> shermann@r200:~$ apt-cache rdepends libattr1-dev
[01:11] <\sh> libattr1-dev
[01:12] <\sh> Reverse Depends:
[01:12] <\sh>   libarchive-dev
[01:12] <\sh> bsdtar?
[01:12] <Riddell> kdelibs now uses libattr1-dev and libacl1-dev
[01:13] <\sh> uh
[01:13] <\sh> then we have some fun with getting rid of the .la
[01:15] <\sh> anyways..i'm done for this morning...later this afternoon I do what I can to rebuild kde universe
[01:16] <\sh> good night Riddell and thx for bringing kde3.5 to the people :)
[01:17] <Riddell> yeah, looks like I need to add those to kdelibs4-dev
[02:39] <Riddell> hello simon_, don't think I know you?
[03:59] <mdz> Riddell: any news on amarok vs. anastacia?
[03:59] <Riddell> mdz: just pbuilding it now, it was synced to debian without gstreamer-mad being moved back to suggests
[03:59] <mdz> ok
[04:23] <Riddell> \sh_away: you uploaded amarok as a native package, careful with that
[04:27] <freeflying> Riddell:may you change the default chinese font to ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-arphic-ukai
[04:28] <Riddell> freeflying: what are the defaults currently and why are these ones better?
[04:29] <freeflying> Riddell: those i told with perform more better than now in dapper
[04:29] <Riddell> freeflying: have you tested them?
[04:29] <freeflying> Riddell: also there have another font can display chinese in bold defaultly
[04:30] <freeflying> Riddell: sure,we include them in our ubuntu-cn
[04:30] <Riddell> freeflying: ok, should be possible, could you write main inclusion reports?
[04:30] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[04:31] <freeflying> no problem
[04:34] <Riddell> freeflying: send me an e-mail when you've written them
[04:34] <Riddell> then I'll need to add the fonts to the seeds
[04:34] <freeflying> ok
[04:34] <freeflying> Riddell: and how about the skim  ^_^
[04:34] <freeflying> Riddell: need it more works ?
[04:34] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm doing REVU now :)
[04:40] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I've been at home this week without my devel machine (thanksgiving), but when I return I think I'll need help with the remaining kmobiletools issues. I don't have amd64 or ppc machines to test it on (so I don't know if it's x86 only) and I'm not sure how to get rid of config.sub and config.guess since it wasn't there before. I might hit you up next week if that's all right
[04:41] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: sure
[04:41] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: any reason to believe it's i386 only?
[04:42] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: just add a rm -f config.sub config.guess  line to the clear rule
[04:43] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, no not really; are things usually cross-system as a rule?
[04:44] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: yep
[04:44] <seth_k|lappy> cheers
[04:44] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: so you need to change i386 to any in debian/control
[04:44] <seth_k|lappy> yes
[04:45] <seth_k|lappy> I'll do it Sunday when I go back home :) it's been rather a pain b/c REVU is broken and I can't post comments, and siretart hasn't gotten back to me yet. I'll poke him again
[04:46] <Riddell> revu works for me
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> Yeah, I'm a special case :P two identities on the same keychain
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> and it got confused
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> he just hasn't gotten back to me with a workaround or fix yet
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> I switched from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for uploads
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> but it won't give me a password for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>since it has the same fingerprint as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(same key, different IDs)
[04:53] <Riddell> how confusing
[10:05] <simon_> Riddell:Sorry, was asleep.  I'm just lurking in the channel to see how things are going :)
[12:34] <\sh> moins riddell
[12:43] <pef> for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/
[12:44] <pef> opensources software may become illegal in France
[12:54] <author-psi> pef: omg
[12:54] <author-psi> pef: why?
[12:56] <pef> author-psi: opensource softwares cannot contains technical systems that allow a control of what you are doing, for example an activity which my be illegal
[12:56] <author-psi> pef: wtf... :/ mhm
[01:07] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping
[01:15] <amu> pef: stange, translated it via goole
[01:41] <freeflying> amu: hi,how about your livecd
[01:42] <amu> upgraded runns without problems, if you have some time we can do it
[01:56] <Riddell> jpat|away: hi
[01:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: just wondering about what to do with kxdocker...
[01:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: upload it with new version but minimal changes from debian
[01:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have uploaded a new one
[01:58] <Riddell> I think the changelog is the only thing that needs changing
[01:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: and this one makes a .deb
[01:58] <Riddell> that's always a good sign :)
[01:58] <jpatrick> (which has the files)
[01:58] <freeflying> Riddell: I've correct the error in rules and re-upload it
[02:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: also updated StyleClock
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying: which package?
[02:01] <freeflying> Riddell: skim
[02:01] <Riddell> ok, I'll take a look at those shortly
[02:02] <freeflying> eva need the next release
[02:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: also changed compats -> 5
[02:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: on which?
[02:06] <jpatrick> Both
[02:11] <amu> freeflying: let me test the german version, the build runs without problems, something must be strange :)
[02:12] <freeflying> amu: without problems , is it great? :)
[02:13] <amu> :) we'll see
[06:08] <Riddell> mornfall: ping
[06:19] <ytannus> hello?
[06:19] <Riddell> hello ytannus
[06:20] <ytannus> Hi Jonathan
[06:20] <Riddell> dood
[06:21] <ytannus> I red you wmail... thanks
[06:21] <Riddell> ytannus: doesn't matter if it's not your app, almost no pacakges are packaged by the author
[06:21] <Riddell> ytannus: and I recon your package would be a nice addition to our archives
[06:22] <ytannus> riddell: thanks, really I made a lot of package but I share it only with some friends...
[06:22] <Riddell> so the thing to do it point me at the sources and I'll review it and to poke a chap called siretat to give you an account on revu where you can upload it and it'll be reviewed properly
[06:22] <Riddell> what other packages have you made?
[06:22] <ytannus> right now I have this ones in mi hdd:
[06:23] <ytannus> comix-1.3.4_1.3.4-1_i386.deb  libborqt_6.9.0-3_i386.deb                metamonitor-0.3_0.3-1_i386.deb
[06:23] <ytannus> flatknifty_0.5-1_i386.deb     libsipphoneapi_0.78.20051020-1_i386.deb  metamonitor_0.4-1_i386.deb
[06:23] <ytannus> kdvdbackup_0.6-1_i386.deb     lingot_0.6.1-1_i386.deb                  wlassistant-0.5.4a_0.5.4a-1_i386.deb
[06:23] <ytannus> kurses_0.1-1_i386.deb         mdnsresponder_0.9.8-2_i386.deb
[06:23] <ytannus> well, lingot is not a kde application really
[06:23] <Riddell> wow :)
[06:24] <ytannus> ops, mdnsresponder is not my ;)
[06:24] <ytannus> anyway I can made all packages that we need... those are only what I need for mi computer
[06:24] <Riddell> so get an account on revu and upload the sources there, me or someone else will review them and before long we'll get them for all to use
[06:24] <ytannus> the thing is that I want to be a contributor ...just shoot me :)
[06:25] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/REVU
[06:26] <Riddell> actually the best way to help is to fix bugs but for some reason people prefer to make packages :)
[06:27] <ytannus> I guess that for fix bug you need to know programing, to make packages just sudo chackintall hehehe
[06:27] <ytannus> I'm not an expert programer, but I will try to check some bugs too
[06:27] <Riddell> woo :)
[06:28] <ytannus> ATTENTION: REVU HAS MOVED! Please update your dput.cf :S
[06:28] <Riddell> that was ages ago
[06:29] <Riddell> can probably be removed
[06:30] <ytannus> ok, my public key is sent...
[06:31] <ytannus> question, so I need a special program to upoload? revu is a program... what protocol is defined?
[06:31] <ytannus> so I need = do I need
[06:32] <ytannus> please, forget my question... I found the answer....
[06:32] <Riddell> revu is http://revu.tauware.de/
[06:33] <Riddell> upload with dput, which is just a frontend to an ftp uploader
[06:34] <ytannus> where do you have the bug list?
[06:34] <ytannus> (I'm using ncftp :) )
[06:35] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs
[06:35] <Riddell> is the universe bugs
[06:35] <Riddell> and search for kde on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for the main bugs
[06:35] <ytannus> ok, I'm uploading some ones, let me know if are ok...
[06:35] <Riddell> probably a lot of the entires in those are duplicate or invalid in some way
[06:36] <Riddell> you have a revu account already?
[06:36] <ytannus> nop, I'm uploading using anonymous account
[06:36] <Riddell> hmm, I suspect it will just throw those away
[06:37] <ytannus> I miss something...sorry :)
[06:37] <Riddell> you need to get your key included, then debuild -S and sign the package, then dput revu foo.changes  to upload
[06:38] <ytannus> perfect
[06:38] <Riddell> but if you just upload the sources anywhere I can take a look at them nowish
[06:39] <ytannus> look: wiki said: "After your first upload, you will be automatically registered to the database and assigned a random password."
[06:40] <ytannus> but when I try to login i got: login for user "ytannus" failed, please retry or recover
[06:40] <Riddell> have you been given a password?
[06:40] <ytannus> yes and, the second time, no
[06:43] <Riddell> ytannus: /join #ubuntu-motu
[06:43] <ytannus> ok
[06:43] <ytannus>  /join #ubuntu-motu
[06:43] <ytannus> haha sorry
[06:43] <Riddell> no space :)
[06:43] <ytannus> ;)
[06:44] <\sh> Riddell: you uploaded cdbs already?
[06:44] <Riddell> \sh: I did but it failed and I've no idea why
[06:44] <Riddell> \sh: feel free to try and work out why
[06:45] <\sh> Riddell: cdbs? forget it :)
[06:45] <\sh> hehe..i'll have a look while gambas is building
[06:46] <\sh> hmmm....one test out of 8 failed...I wonder which one
[06:47] <Riddell> the recursive.sh one
[06:47] <Riddell> works fine in my pbuilder
[06:47] <\sh> hmmm...
[06:47] <\sh> buildd admin involvement :)
[06:48] <\sh> but infinity is away...and lamont hates cdbs :)
[06:48] <Riddell> that's why I pinged jbailey but I guess he's doing this weekend thing people talk about
[07:34] <lamont-away> \sh: and jbailey owns cdbs
[07:36] <\sh> lamont-away: bet now....cdbs build issue, or buildd issue? 50/50 and the winner will get some beer or whisky from me :)
[07:51] <lamont-away> ew.  that's a jbailey issue
[07:54] <\sh> cdbs to hell :)
[08:23] <Riddell> pef: you don't love kubuntu-bugs any more?
[08:55] <mdz> Riddell: libakode-dev build-depends: libpolyp-dev, see anastacia
[09:07] <Riddell> mdz: fixed in akode_2-rc1-1ubuntu2, which has compiled but has a NEW binary package
[09:08] <mdz> Riddell: odd, it's in queue/accepted
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: is kmail and co. uploads coming soon?
[09:09] <mdz> Riddell: it was accepted, but didn't enter the archive
[09:09] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: done, see dapper-changes
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: yay.
[09:10] <Riddell> mdz: why might it do that?
[09:10] <mdz> Riddell: I don't know; looks like one for elmo
[09:11] <mdz> queue/REPORT says it's being accepted, but it's still there
[09:37] <\sh> Riddell: hmm..do you want to backport gpod support from 1.4svn?
[09:43] <Riddell> \sh: no, not if it's not in 1.3
[09:43] <\sh> Riddell: it will be supported in 1.4
[09:44] <Riddell> \sh: we'll wait for that then
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: can I ask you your opinion on something?
[09:44] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: yes
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: do you think there is room for another desktop environment?
[09:44] <Riddell> no!
[09:44] <Riddell> quite enough already
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> but what if gnome and kde are flawed, and have no interest in fixing said flaws?
[09:45] <Riddell> we have interests in fixing all flaws
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> actually, kde only has one major flaw
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> that flaw is the fact it uses c++
[09:46] <Diablo-D3> I dont see that one being fixed anytime soon.
[09:46] <Riddell> well guidance as used in kubuntu is the first program in KDE SVN that uses python
[09:46] <Riddell> but c++ is better than C
[09:46] <Diablo-D3> I dont see python as the answer either
[09:47] <Riddell> that would be gnustep you want then
[09:47] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: ever notice who owns #gnustep-dev? ;)
[09:48] <Riddell> but I don't see any significant advantage in porting the whole of kde and qt to another compiled language
[09:48] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, I dont think gnustep is the answer either, mainly because gnustep never formed a desktop environment.
[09:48] <Diablo-D3> though that doesnt top me from using gnustep to further my goals.
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> *step
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> argh
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> *ess tee ooh pee
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> curse the typo daemon!
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I dont see any reason why c++ was used in the first place
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> c++ only causes problems to large projects.
[09:50] <Diablo-D3> kde, of course, is a good example of how to beat c++ into submission, but you still suffer from other c++isms
[09:50] <Diablo-D3> such as this whole abi transition
[09:51] <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt care if these only happened once in a blue moon, but it happens every new major gcc version
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> if kde had been written in objc, this would never happen.
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so thats why I think kde is almost perfect... the choice of language was wrong.
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> other than that, the quality itself is pretty much unsurpassed.
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> and the functionality is great
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so, with that said, you still think there is no room for a third major desktop environment?
[09:54] <Riddell> c++ transitions are a pain for packagers like me but they shouldn't affect users.  and I'm not convinced that the same thing wouldn't happen with objective-c
[09:54] <Riddell> nope
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> the same thing wouldnt happen because the api is unchanging.
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> and the abi 'doesnt exist'
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> all the actual abi stuff is defined by C.
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> well, the stuff that matters anyhow
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: Im wondering if you're right, though
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> I've asked a few others who's opinions I value (you included, of course) and they've been saying the same thing
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> even some of the hardcore gnustep fans and devs pretty much wonder where an objc-based desktop environment's place is
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: you know whats funny?
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> gnustep was the original gnome.
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> until the fsf decided to kick gnustep to the roadside, and startup gnome
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> they decided "oh, objc sucks! we need something thats C! and has no functionality! and is a total pain in the ass to develop for!"
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> "and we need to kill kde, because it uses qt which isnt FREE SOFTWARE!"
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: do me a favor, dont ever stop working on kde
[10:05] <Riddell> qt wasn't free software, I don't blame people for starting something that was
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> so? you dont go make a whole new desktop environment for that
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> that just gives all the people who worked hard on kde the finger
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> just because qt wanst free software doesnt mean kde wasnt
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> they should have tried to make a fully functioning qt clone instead
[10:08] <Riddell> they did, but it's much harder to do
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> so less effort would have been wasted on making an entirely new one, which gnome ended up being a total and complete failure and/or mess anyhow
[10:08] <Riddell> see Java
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> no, java is different
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> we already had a fully functioning c++ compiler, qt itself used it
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> and we already understood how qt worked, it wasnt a black box.
[10:09] <apokryphos> it's hardly obvious that gnome has been a complete failure; they have quite a big market, even if it's not as big as kde's
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> apokryphos: I have different ways of measuring if foss is a failure or not
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> apokryphos: infact, gnome could have more users than kde, and it still would be a complete failure
[10:10] <apokryphos> you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your definition then ;-)
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> the code design in most places is horrid, the way apps are designed altogether is horrid, it depends on gtk and glib which are completely horrid
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> and as I said earlier, its nearly impossible to develop for
[10:38] <pef> Riddell: just changed email address :) @ubuntu instead of dev.erodia.net
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> hrm