[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :D
[11:03] <gatox> good morning!
[11:26] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:26] <gatox> mandel, hi
[11:26] <mandel> gatox, I added the test to heck if the app name is correct
[11:26] <mandel> gatox, can you approve it now ;)
[11:27] <gatox> mandel, yes! can you give me the link
[11:27] <mandel> gatox, https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/add-app-name/+merge/97071
[11:56] <mandel> gatox, what is the lib we should be using instead of xdg?
[12:00] <gatox> mandel, mmmm not sure about the lib, what i know if that info we should get it from sso
[12:01] <mandel> gatox, ok, I'll look there then
[12:52] <mandel> gatox, I'm off to have lunch, will be back in 30 mins mor or less (depends on the waiter)
[12:52] <gatox> mandel, ok..... i see you have fanzy lunchs
[12:52] <gatox> jejeje
[12:53] <mandel> gatox, on tuesdays I go with the people at the office :P
[12:53] <gatox> ahhhh
[12:58] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:59] <gatox> ralsina, hi!
[12:59] <ralsina> hello gatox!
[14:02] <briancurtin> me
[14:06] <urbanape> me
[14:06] <urbanape> oh, I think we're an hour off
[14:06] <urbanape> stupid DST
[14:06] <gatox> BACK!
[14:06] <urbanape> welcome back, briancurtin
[14:06] <briancurtin> hey urbanape
[14:07] <urbanape> progress was not exactly made in your absence.
[14:07]  * mandel back!
[14:08] <mandel> briancurtin, urbanape you are hehehe
[14:08] <briancurtin> so the standup is in one hour, or it already happened (i'm horrible at time changes)
[14:08] <mandel> briancurtin, in an hour :)
[14:08] <mandel> briancurtin, it is at 3 pm utc
[14:09] <briancurtin> nice. even though it's only ever +1 or -1, it becomes incredibly hard math for some reason
[14:09] <mandel> briancurtin, the trick is to set the time indicator to have both and if you use the company google calendar to set the alarm to use utc
[14:09] <mandel> ralsina, ping?
[14:10] <briancurtin> i need a sun dial
[14:11] <briancurtin> urbanape: no biggie. where we left off with the FS stuff and what its capabilities are was not too encouraging of it being a nice easy effort
[14:12] <dobey> briancurtin: the trick is to just be a slacker and wait for nessita to ping you about the standup :)
[14:12] <alecu> hello all!
[14:13] <gatox> alecu, hi!
[14:13] <dobey> hola alecu
[14:14] <dobey> alecu: why should the webclient calls go through the proxy tunnel process, instead of just direct through the proxy?
[14:15] <alecu> dobey, only the webclient calls made from syncdaemon go thru the tunnel.
[14:16] <alecu> dobey, otherwise we would need to use either qtnetwork or libsoup from syncdaemon.
[14:16] <mandel> dobey, she is not working today
[14:16] <mandel> alecu, dobey what happened with the openssl issue?
[14:17] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[14:18] <dobey> mandel: ralsina mailed legal afaik
[14:18] <mandel> ralsina, I was going to ask you about openssl :)
[14:18] <ralsina> dobey: I mailed cristian and chipaca who are near legal
[14:18] <ralsina> I will bring it up in today's mgmt talk and then it will probably go to legal
[14:20] <ralsina> welcome back briancurtin!
[14:20] <mandel> alecu, dobey any idea on how to use openssl to get the hash used to sign a cert?
[14:20] <briancurtin> hello all :)
[14:21] <ralsina> briancurtin: in about 2 hours we need to talk a lot about prepping a windows release for next week
[14:21] <briancurtin> ralsina: sounds good, can mumble if you want
[14:21] <ralsina> briancurtin: cool, so in 2:09 save me a spot
[14:21] <alecu> briancurtin, ralsina: make sure we get lots of testing on the proxy stuff on windows
[14:22] <alecu> briancurtin, ralsina: and also, I think we should make a new .exe with the tunnel process used for proxying syncdaemon.
[14:23] <alecu> mandel, what ssl "hash" do you need?
[14:23] <mandel> alecu, second point from here: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Cert_override.txt
[14:23] <ralsina> alecu: ack
[14:23] <mandel> alecu, or I can simply ignore it
[14:23] <alecu> mandel, "hash algorithm OID" ?
[14:24] <dobey> mandel: i don't know
[14:24] <alecu> mandel, perhaps you need point 3? point 2 is the ID of an algorithm
[14:24] <mandel> alecu, yes, although I can get the OID from that list, I'm more interested in the hash algorithm SHA1 etc..
[14:24] <mandel> alecu, yes, I wanted to first make sure it was hard to get that so that I had a reason to ignore point 2
[14:25] <Chipaca> ralsina: about ssl?
[14:25] <Chipaca> ralsina: or about what, re legal?
[14:25] <mandel> briancurtin, ralsina the integration tests for squid3 do not work in windows.. in theory everything should work ok..
[14:25] <ralsina> Chipaca: yes siree, I did
[14:25] <ralsina> Chipaca: about having to add an exception to our licenses to allow linking openssl
[14:25] <Chipaca> right
[14:25] <Chipaca> yep
[14:26] <Chipaca> ok, pre-meeting break for me
[14:26] <dobey> mandel: what are we doing with cert_override.txt?
[14:26] <mandel> dobey, pinned certs until there is support for that on thekeyring, that is a ref of a text files that does the same
[14:26] <mandel> dobey, so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel
[14:27] <dobey> mandel: so you're implementing the same file format?
[14:27] <mandel> dobey, yes
[14:27] <alecu> mandel, why do you need the exact same format?
[14:28] <mandel> alecu, I don't need it, I wanted to make it as close as possible to just say, look we do it like that
[14:28] <dobey> mandel: i don't think openssl knows about that format. you'd have to handle converting to that OID and back
[14:28] <mandel> alecu, nothing else, I can always ignore the has algo and just keep the fingerprint which is more than enough
[14:29] <alecu> mandel, so, what class of objects do you get from qtnetwork or libsoup?
[14:30] <mandel> alecu, I get the ssl pem which I can convert to a openssl object
[14:31] <gatox> mandel, alecu do you guys know if launchpad is disabled in this moment or something?? i can't create a new branch
[14:31] <dobey> sigh, nessita.
[14:31] <mandel> lol
[14:31] <dobey> she claimed a review on my branch, and hasn't reviewed it, and is off today
[14:31] <gatox> dobey, half day
[14:32] <gatox> dobey, she is reading the emails
[14:32] <gatox> dobey, do you know if there is any problem or something with launchpad?
[14:32] <alecu> mandel, like this, right? QSslCertificate::toPem()
[14:33] <mandel> gatox, afaik there is not
[14:33] <gatox> i'm trying to submit a new branch and i can't
[14:33] <gatox> :S
[14:33] <mandel> alecu, yes and raw_cert.props.certificate_pem
[14:33] <dobey> gatox: not afaik
[14:33] <alecu> mandel, great.
[14:33] <dobey> gatox: submit as in push, or as in propose?
[14:34] <mandel> alecu, I'm using pem to centralize the code that gets the details rather than using each of the libs
[14:34] <alecu> mandel, and what are you using to turn those into pyssl objects?
[14:34] <alecu> mandel, that sounds right
[14:34] <gatox> dobey, as in trying to create the branch from the web page with "submit new code"
[14:34] <mandel> alecu, from OpenSSL.crypto import load_certificate, FILETYPE_PEM
[14:34] <mandel> alecu, then load_certificate(cert_pem, FILETYPE_PEM)
[14:34] <dobey> gatox: oh i think something changed on lp recently and the "create a branch" link on the web site doesn't work
[14:35] <gatox> dobey, yep..... i see
[14:35] <alecu> mandel, the args are reversed, right?
[14:35] <gatox> dobey, i'll do it manually
[14:35] <alecu> mandel, load_certificate(type, buffer)
[14:35] <dobey> gatox: if you just make a local branch and push it, it works
[14:35] <briancurtin> ralsina: can we move the windows call before or after you were planning it? at about 16:40 UTC i need to go to a doctor's appt
[14:35] <mandel> alecu, yes, sorry :P
[14:35] <alecu> mandel, great.
[14:35] <dobey> gatox: manually? using the web site is "manual." why would you ever use the link on the web site to create a branch?
[14:35] <mandel> alecu, said it from the top of my head
[14:35] <ralsina> briancurtin: after is ok, just ping me when you have a slot
[14:35] <dobey> i hope it goes away for good
[14:36] <gatox> dobey, i was used to that
[14:36] <alecu> mandel, and that returns a X509 object?
[14:36] <mandel> alecu, yep, which has all the info (O, CN, L, ST etc..) plus the fingerprint
[14:37] <mandel> alecu, CN is usually the domain name (Common Name)
[14:37] <alecu> mandel, the fingerprint should be X509.digest("sha1"), right?
[14:38] <alecu> I'm looking at: http://packages.python.org/pyOpenSSL/openssl-x509.html
[14:39] <mandel> alecu, hmm let me double check, I think you are right and I just had a major brain fuck..
[14:40] <mandel> alecu, yes, you are right.. oh my what an embarrassment, I'll take it form here :)
[14:44] <gatox> ralsina, when you have a moment please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/check-cut-off/+merge/97231 (qt thing)
[14:44] <ralsina> gatox: sure, but I am on call for a while
[14:45] <gatox> ralsina, no problem, is not urgent
[14:45] <ralsina> gatox: and alecu's branches have priority (if they still need reviews)
[14:55] <alecu> gatox, reviews are veeeery welcome! let me find the link.
[14:56] <gatox> alecu, i have both of your branches opened already
[14:56] <alecu> gatox, cool
[14:56] <gatox> alecu, i'll do both now
[14:56] <alecu> gatox, the first one to review is the ussoc one
[14:56] <gatox> alecu, ack
[14:56] <alecu> gatox, since the u1-client branch depends on that ussoc branch
[14:57] <alecu> gatox, also, for the u1-client branch it would be right to do some IRL testing. Let me know when you are reviewing it and I can give you some tips on how to test it IRL.
[14:59] <gatox> alecu, great, thanks
[15:00] <mandel> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <gatox> me
[15:03] <urbanape> me
[15:03] <gatox> alecu, dobey ?
[15:03] <alecu> me\
[15:04] <gatox> mandel, go.... dobey is last, and i think ralsina is in a cal
[15:04] <gatox> call
[15:04] <mandel> DONE: Added missing tests for appname branch in control panel.  Propose move to next bug.
[15:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:04]  * mandel passes the rugby ball to briancurtin
[15:04] <dobey> oh oops
[15:04] <ralsina> yes, I skip
[15:04] <briancurtin> DONE: pycon
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO: pick up where i left off, catch up on email, mumble with ralsina, work towards windows release
[15:04] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: none
[15:04] <briancurtin> NEXT: gatox
[15:04] <gatox> DONE:
[15:04] <gatox> Review for nessita, Proposed a branch for the enhanced check box being cut off at the right border.
[15:04] <gatox> TODO:
[15:04] <gatox> alecu's reviews and keep fixing more ui bugs.
[15:04] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:04] <gatox> No
[15:04] <gatox> urbanape, go
[15:04] <urbanape> DONE: Got the release for U1 Music iOS out.
[15:04] <urbanape> TODO: Back in the saddle.
[15:04] <urbanape> BLOCK: My brain.
[15:04] <urbanape> alecu: you're next
[15:04] <alecu> DONE: finished with bug #929212, branches up for review
[15:04] <alecu> TODO: use authentication in tunnel
[15:04] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <alecu> NEXT: dobey
[15:04] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 929212 in Ubuntu One Client "[FFE] Tunnel webservice calls if proxy is enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/929212
[15:05] <dobey> λ DONE: poked more about installer image, bug #953062, bug #942025
[15:05] <dobey> λ TODO: finish installer, bug #951425, bug #934206
[15:05] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 953062 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "Font and sizes are hard-coded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953062
[15:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 942025 in Ubuntu One Control Panel "The email address font is too small" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942025
[15:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 951425 in Ubuntu One for Rhythmbox "Ubuntu One plugin has problems when being enable/disabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951425
[15:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 934206 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone (Ubuntu Precise) "track duplication from RB-U1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934206
[15:07] <alecu> urbanape, briancurtin: I've been doing some reading on FSevents and /dev/fsevents
[15:07] <alecu> urbanape, briancurtin: did you end up deciding which one to use?
[15:08] <mandel> briancurtin, small question about open on windows, does it make any diff between a and w when opening a file?
[15:08] <urbanape> I'm still leaning towards watchdog, but I'd like to see how it does with file events in large directories.
[15:09] <alecu> urbanape, by watchdog you mean this one? http://support.apple.com/kb/TA20622?viewlocale=en_US
[15:09] <urbanape> nope
[15:10] <briancurtin> mandel: you mean when opening an existing file or opening a new file with 'a' or 'w'?
[15:10] <urbanape> alecu: http://packages.python.org/watchdog/
[15:10] <urbanape> abstracts FSEvents, inotify, and the Windows stuff.
[15:10] <mandel> briancurtin,  both
[15:10] <urbanape> (but we'd only use it for OS X right now)
[15:10] <alecu> urbanape, ok.
[15:10] <briancurtin> mandel: i'm not aware of anything in that area that operates differently on windows than it should on *nix
[15:11] <briancurtin> just the typical append vs. write behavior
[15:11] <alecu> urbanape, it seems to use FSEvents as the backend, so it will surely have the same drawbacks regarding changes in files... right?
[15:11] <mandel> briancurtin, ok, then I'll toss a b there just in case
[15:12] <dobey> alright, i should get some lunch. bbiab
[15:13] <alecu> urbanape, and I don't think kqueue looks useful, since it would need to open for monitoring each and every file in the Ubuntu One folder plus the UDFs... it does not scale.
[15:14] <mandel> alecu, urbanape I would not even get close to kqueue
[15:15] <mandel> altough it make the port to bsd closer!
[15:16] <urbanape> alecu: yes (about FSEvents).
[15:16] <alecu> mandel, "open eeeeeevery file in the folders watched by SD"
[15:16] <alecu> mandel, it makes no sense for us!
[15:16] <mandel> alecu, I know, that is why I would not get close to it :)
[15:16] <urbanape> in my opinion, that it abstracts away inotify and the Windows system means it could *potentially* be used on all platforms (and become something we don't have to own)
[15:17]  * gatox lunch...... brb
[15:20] <alecu> urbanape, that sounds reasonable, but I doubt that having to rehash every file in a directory every time one file changes would perform reasonably well.
[15:20] <alecu> urbanape, from what I've read it might make sense to have a small daemon reading everything from /dev/fsevents and filtering what's interesting to us
[15:20] <alecu> even though it has to run as root :-(
[15:23] <urbanape> I wonder if Apple ditched folders in iCloud because move events are typically handled so badly.
[15:23] <alecu> urbanape, briancurtin: you guys have probably read this ars article that talks about FSEvents and /dev/fsevents:
[15:23] <alecu> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2007/10/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/7
[15:23] <briancurtin> alecu: havent seen it, thanks for the link
[15:25] <alecu> briancurtin, that's the article that convinced me that we should be using /dev/fsevents if we want to have decent performance for this.
[15:25] <briancurtin> ooh, mentions of NEXTSTEP already - i used to use GNUStep as a (graphical) reminder of NeXT days :)
[15:46] <mandel> just read: Yo no digo que esa chica sea un poco suelta, solo digo que si su entrepierna tuviera contraseña, sería '1234'
[15:46] <mandel> sorry, I'm to lazy to translate it :P
[15:51] <ralsina> alecu: you still needing reviews?
[15:51] <alecu> ralsina, looks like I still do! for the two branches "ready for review" here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/929207
[15:51] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 929207 in Ubuntu One Client "[FFE] Proxy "tunnel" for syncdaemon" [High,In progress]
[15:52] <ralsina> alecu: ok, doing one
[15:53] <alecu> ralsina, btw: I've just got a call from the state sponsored kinder right around the corner, that there's an opening, so we'll be changing Amelia's kinder.  :P
[15:54] <ralsina> alecu: well, it's probably for the best long term
[15:54] <ralsina> having kinder around the corner is niiiice ;-)
[15:54] <alecu> ralsina, for the shorter term too, since we'll skip paying the private kinder :-)
[15:54] <alecu> ralsina, also: the -sso branch goes first, since the u1-client branch depends on it.
[15:55] <gatox> alecu, this one gave me a lint issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/updated-txweb/+merge/97119
[15:55] <alecu> gatox, can you please paste it?
[15:55] <gatox> alecu, just this:
[15:55] <gatox> == Python Lint Notices ==
[15:55] <gatox> ubuntu_sso/utils/webclient/common.py:
[15:55] <gatox>     247:  [W0511] TODO
[15:56] <gatox> alecu, except for that..... it's a +1 from me
[15:56] <alecu> gatox, I'll fix that, and thanks!
[15:56] <gatox> alecu, let me know, when it's fixed so i can approve it
[15:56] <alecu> gatox, are you brave enough to take on the following branch?
[15:57] <gatox> alecu, of course..... i'll start the review of the other one right now
[15:58] <alecu> gatox, the funny thing is that my branch does not touch that file :P
[15:58] <alecu> gatox, can you check if that lint notice also shows up on trunk?
[15:58] <gatox> alecu, yes..... just a minute
[15:59] <gatox> alecu, yep..... it's in trunnk
[15:59] <gatox> alecu, approving
[16:01] <alecu> gatox, that TODO is probably being fixed in one of mandel's current branches.
[16:01] <mandel> gatox, alecu yes, is begin fixed, and TODOs do not brake tests, they are just printed out
[16:02] <mandel> aka u1lint returns 0
[16:02] <gatox> alecu, no problem..... i already approve your branch, now i'm branching the other one, run the test, review the codem and i'll ping you if i need to test it IRL
[16:04] <gatox> alecu, i haven't done it in a while.... for u1-client with an specific u1-sso..... is it ./autogen.sh --uses=path/to/sso =
[16:04] <alecu> gatox, I'm finishing with the review of your branch, and I also got lint warnings!
[16:04] <gatox> alecu, my branch?
[16:05] <alecu> ./autogen.sh --with-sso /home/alecu/canonical/ubuntu-sso-client/branch_name
[16:05] <alecu> gatox, ^
[16:05] <gatox> alecu, thanks!...... which branch?
[16:05] <alecu> gatox, make sure to include the whole path (it sometimes not work with ~/)
[16:05] <gatox> alecu, yes
[16:05] <alecu> gatox, check-cut-off
[16:05] <alecu> gatox, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/882006/
[16:05] <gatox> alecu, weird.... it didn't show anything when i run the tests here
[16:05] <briancurtin> ralsina: i'm a day off - doc appt is tomorrow. i'm free for the call when you are
[16:06] <ralsina> briancurtin: ok, I need to wrap up a few things first
[16:06] <briancurtin> no problem
[16:06] <alecu> gatox, that's on precise, updated yesterday (I think)
[16:06] <gatox> alecu, i'll update again
[16:06] <gatox> alecu, thanks
[16:23] <urbanape> briancurtin: want to sync up after your windows release call?
[16:23] <briancurtin> urbanape: that sounds good
[16:23] <urbanape> cool
[16:29] <dobey> hmm
[16:43] <ralsina> briancurtin: mumble?
[16:43] <briancurtin> ralsina: logging in
[16:50] <briancurtin> urbanape: i'm in mumble whenever you have a few minutes
[16:50] <urbanape> cool, brt
[16:51] <urbanape> k, I'm in Desktop Plus
[17:02] <gatox> alecu, which would be the proper way to test your u1-client branch IRL?
[17:03] <dobey> gatox: in a manner not totally unlike that of advancing the story in Monkey Island
[17:03] <gatox> dobey, what?
[17:03] <gatox> :P
[17:03] <dobey> heh
[17:04] <alecu> gatox, look behind you! A three headed monkey!
[17:05] <alecu> dobey, how appropriate, you fight like a cow.
[17:05] <dobey> heh
[17:05] <gatox> jejee
[17:05] <alecu> gatox, so: first you need to install a squid
[17:05] <ralsina> That's the second biggest stone monkey head I ever saw!
[17:05] <alecu> gatox, then you need to use syncdaemon in the branch, both thru the proxy and without using the proxy.
[17:05] <gatox> alecu, ah...... it's not going to be easy.....
[17:06] <ralsina> gatox: use my squid!
[17:06] <gatox> ralsina, ah! right!
[17:06] <alecu> gatox, a default squid install should be fine.
[17:06] <gatox> ralsina, how can i do that?
[17:06] <ralsina> gatox: configure proxy ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:06] <alecu> gatox, if you install the squid3 package it starts a proxy on localhost:3128
[17:06] <ralsina> gatox: port 8888
[17:06] <dobey> first you ask, then you find out alecu is sad, and then you do a bunch of stuff and find out he needs a beer, so you buy him a beer, then you find out you need squid, but squid is unhappy, so you have to reconfigure it
[17:06] <ralsina> gatox: and let me set a user/password for you
[17:07] <gatox> alecu, and then you ask why it's always difficult to get reviewers!!
[17:07] <gatox> jejejeje
[17:10] <gatox> alecu, ok, i'm using ralsina proxy now
[17:12] <alecu> gatox, ok, now you need to start Syncdaemon like this:
[17:12] <alecu> U1_DEBUG=True PYTHONPATH=.:~/canonical/ubuntu-sso-client/updated-txweb/ bin/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug
[17:13] <alecu> gatox, (before that you should configure the proxies in the system settings, of course)
[17:14] <gatox> alecu, done
[17:15] <alecu> gatox, once it's running, try doing "u1sdtool -c" so it connects. Then "u1sdtool -s" to see that it has reached the QUEUE_MANAGER state
[17:16] <gatox> alecu, yep!
[17:16] <ralsina> alecu: we support<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[17:17] <alecu> ralsina, env vars? probably not yet.
[17:17] <alecu> gatox, u1sdtool --publish-file=~/Ubuntu\ One/folder/file.txt
[17:17] <alecu> gatox, and check the web to see if the file was published.
[17:18] <alecu> gatox, u1sdtool --offer-share ~/Ubuntu\ One/folder/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>shared_folder view
[17:18] <alecu> gatox, and check the web or your email to see if the folder was offered.
[17:19] <ralsina> alecu: ack
[17:19] <gatox> alecu, yes!
[17:21] <gatox> alecu, it's working!
[17:21] <gatox> \o/
[17:21] <ralsina> yay! I have now gatox's credentials! Nah, just kidding ;-)
[17:21]  * gatox faints
[17:22] <alecu> gatox, finally.... we need to check get_public_files, but it does not have an u1sdtool option
[17:22] <mandel> ok, I need to go EOD here, catch you all tom!
[17:22] <dobey> ralsina: what the heck is setFontWeight() in Qt?
[17:22] <gatox> mandel, bye
[17:22] <gatox> alecu, so...... what we do that?
[17:23] <mandel> alecu, if you need any reviews tom CET morning let me know
[17:23] <mandel> via email
[17:23] <ralsina> dobey: allegedly, thing to set the font's weight
[17:23] <ralsina> mandel: you moved one hour earlier?
[17:23] <dobey> ralsina: i don't think we're using that right
[17:23] <ralsina> dobey: we should not be using that
[17:23] <alecu> gatox, I usually do it with d-feet
[17:23] <mandel> ralsina, ein? I always go at my 6:30 on tuesdays..
[17:23] <ralsina> dobey: without a VERY good reason
[17:23] <gatox> ralsina, isn't that something you use to set the font from normall to bold or something likke that?
[17:23] <gatox> ralsina, i don't remember exactly
[17:24] <alecu> gatox, do you have d-feet installed?
[17:24] <gatox> alecu, yes
[17:24] <ralsina> mandel: I was wondering if you aremoving to DST or something
[17:24] <dobey> ralsina: i am seeing a bunch of it in sso. i guess i'll just remove them too
[17:24] <mandel> ralsina, not yet :)
[17:24] <alecu> gatox, great. go to com.ubuntuone.Syncdaemon in the session bus
[17:24] <alecu> gatox, and look for /publicfiles
[17:24] <gatox> alecu, i'm already there
[17:24] <mandel> ralsina, I'm still UTC +1
[17:24] <ralsina> mandel: ok, thanks
[17:25] <alecu> gatox, execute this method: iface: com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.PublicFiles method: get_public_files()
[17:25] <gatox> alecu, should i get something? it says: 'This method did not return anything'
[17:25] <mandel> ralsina, there is like 4 hours earlier, right?
[17:25] <ralsina> mandel: 2:25PM right now
[17:25] <ralsina> mandel: so yes
[17:26] <alecu> gatox, yes. But the sd log would show the public files
[17:26] <gatox> alecu, and the console says: 2012-03-13 14:25:19,306 - twisted - INFO - Stopping factory <HTTPClientFactory: https://one.ubuntu.com/files/api/public_files>
[17:26] <alecu> gatox, (they are returned not in the call, but in a separate signal)
[17:26] <alecu> gatox, something like: AQ_PUBLIC_FILES_LIST_OK, kwargs: {'public_files': [{'public_url': 'http://ubuntuone.com/1IpJvcAhD0zV2MjOC3k2sl', 'node_id': '6fbb435c-2650-4d15-9480-cd1b1ba38dae', 'volume_id': ''}, {'public_url': 'http://ubuntuone.com/7kiDLJg2SeW3F17WrQiADx', 'node_id': 'fb71d997-d9ac-439e-8cd5-41dda0a1e6cf', 'volume_id': ''}, {'public_url': 'http://ubuntuone.com/4cpiEexLtKKvf2F6j079VD', 'node_id': '2b102f89-f5dc-4f49-85d4-38131fad3583', 'volume_id
[17:26] <alecu> ': ''}]}
[17:26] <mandel> ralsina, ok, catch you tom, I need to walk the dog, visit the brother and rugby..
[17:27] <alecu> gatox, if that shows up on SD logs, it means that the webcalls worked ok.
[17:27] <alecu> gatox, and to finish the IRL test, stop SD, disable proxies, and repeat all three calls.
[17:28] <alecu> gatox, I need to *run* to the new kinder. I'll catch up in an hour.
[17:28] <gatox> alecu, that work
[17:28] <alecu> \o/
[17:28] <dobey> ralsina: ah, for some reason the .ui files had a bunch of <weight>75</weight> in them, which didn't seem right, and the generated _ui.py files thus had setFontWeight(75) which made no sense
[17:28] <gatox> alecu, i'll test again and approve it...... GREAT WORK!
[17:28] <gatox> alecu, again without the proxy i mean
[17:28] <alecu> gatox, graaaaacias!
[17:28] <alecu> COOL
[17:33] <ralsina> dobey: hmmmm
[17:33] <ralsina> dobey: yes, that weight isnot default
[17:34] <dobey> ralsina: i would presume it is supposed to mean "make it bold"
[17:34] <ralsina> dobey: not even
[17:34] <ralsina> dobey: bold is 100 IIRC
[17:34] <dobey> ralsina: all the affected cases also had <bold>true</bold>
[17:35] <dobey> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qfont.html#Weight-enum says 75 is bold
[17:37] <dobey> ralsina: so… https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu-sso-client/system-font/+merge/97264
[17:37] <ralsina> dobey: ok, then
[17:37] <dobey> ralsina: sso also will need a separate qss for windows
[17:37] <ralsina> dobey: affect it on the other bug
[17:37] <dobey> yep, am about to
[17:37] <ralsina> So far, it's just QApplication.instance.setFont("Ubuntu")
[17:39] <ralsina> dobey: will review after lunch
[17:39] <dobey> sure
[17:39] <dobey> all add nessita to it also
[17:39] <ralsina> yes please
[17:40] <dobey> you know, if we had done nothing in the way of features this cycle, we at least made a huge step forwarad in managing bugs and releases, i think
[17:41] <jalcine> +1
[17:43] <dobey> also, yet another branch:
[17:43] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/man-typo/+merge/97259
[17:51] <ralsina> dobey: +1 and I think you can merge it with one review
[17:53] <dobey> aye, it's trivial
[18:21] <dobey> ralsina: btw. openssl exception? :)
[18:21] <ralsina> dobey: gimme 5'
[18:21] <dobey> sure
[18:27] <ralsina> dobey: stupid question, how can I see the UI in your SSO changes? Start that SSO and try to re-login?
[18:29] <dobey> you can run both bits from the tree, and just run ubuntu-sso-login-qt with args for a different app name and such, i guess
[18:34] <ralsina> dobey: can't see the changes because with the ubuntu font everything is bold ayway
[18:35] <ralsina> dobey: removeing the ubuntu family from the Qss, I get that the page titles are now not bold. So I think you should undo that.
[18:36] <dobey> hrmm
[18:36] <dobey> i didn't un-bold anything that was set to bold
[18:36] <dobey> afaik anyway
[18:36] <dobey> ralsina: i wonder if it was only bold by accident before?
[18:37] <ralsina> No, I think that was intentional
[18:37] <ralsina> dobey: the titles are now less prioritized than the field labels, let me show you
[18:37] <ralsina> dobey: http://ubuntuone.com/1Ckpt7IpnHToCZ0sRGE4Z2
[18:38] <dobey> ralsina: hrmm. +TITLE_STYLE = u'<span style="font-size:large;">%s</span>' should maybe be x-large or xx-large then?
[18:39] <dobey> also, wow why is no padding :(
[18:39] <ralsina> yeah, probably xx-large and bold
[18:39] <ralsina> or x-large and bold
[18:42] <dobey> so i think the bold before was by accident
[18:42] <dobey> why are we ever setting font size in a <span> though, really
[18:42] <dobey> pretty sure xx-large works fine in the qss too
[18:43] <dobey> oh it was being set in there
[18:43] <dobey> as 20px instead of 24px
[19:21] <ralsina> dobey: can I get an opinion on how lp:~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/tweaks looks?
[19:22] <ralsina> dobey: has a bunch of styling fixes, mostly for what happens when things get focus
[19:24] <ralsina> gatox: you too ^
[19:24] <gatox> ralsina, ok!
[19:27] <dobey> ralsina: i'm going to guess it's going to hate the theme i'm using currently :)
[19:27] <ralsina> dobey: it should hate it less than trunk :-)
[19:29] <dobey> also, it is hard to make stuff look "right" according to design
[19:29] <ralsina> yeah
[19:29] <ralsina> but it's a brave attempt, ifI can say so myself
[19:32] <dobey> i'm talking about the installer
[19:33] <gatox> ralsina, it's looks really nice!
[19:34] <ralsina> dobey: installer, ok
[19:34] <ralsina> gatox: thanks!
[19:34] <ralsina> gatox: my main worry is the top button sizes, I can't find the right tweak there yet
[19:34] <ralsina> dobey: anything I can help/give feedback on?
[19:35] <ralsina> dobey: I know you know it, but as a reminder designs are not supposed to be pixel-accurate
[19:36] <gatox> ralsina, do you mean "get more storage" and that?
[19:36] <ralsina> gatox: yes
[19:37] <ralsina> now they are kind of "minimal" in width and before they were always the same width (and I don't know why ;-)
[19:37] <dobey> ralsina: i'm not trying to make it pixel-perfect. trying to make it not look like crap for me, while staying reasonably close to design :-/
[19:38] <ralsina> dobey: gotcha
[19:38] <dobey> it's much harder to do with this new layout
[19:38] <dobey> the old layout was easy
[19:38] <dobey> it worked. it looked nice no matter what your font size was
[19:38] <alecu> gatox, ping
[19:38] <alecu> gatox, I see that your branch uses assertGreater
[19:39] <gatox> alecu, pong
[19:39] <gatox> alecu, yes
[19:39] <alecu> gatox, and for your branch you had to add a pylint disable to the code...
[19:39] <gatox> alecu, aja
[19:40] <alecu> gatox, I've found that assert{Greater|Less} are new in python 2.7
[19:40] <gatox> alecu, ahh..... and what should i use instead? do you know?
[19:40] <alecu> gatox, and we have not used any of those in any code in sd. It's only used once in sso, also with a pylint disable.
[19:41] <alecu> gatox, we would probably want to run this code on lucid at some point
[19:41] <alecu> gatox, and I'm not sure if we have 2.7 on lucid.
[19:41] <alecu> gatox, to be safe, I would use "assertTrue(x>y)"
[19:42] <alecu> gatox, but let's see if we have 2.7 on lucid first.
[19:42] <gatox> alecu, ok.... i'll change both uses of assertGreater
[19:42] <alecu> gatox, lucid is 2.6.5
[19:42] <gatox> alecu, ok, i'll modify that now
[19:44] <gatox> ralsina, i've try to find something in the ui for u1-cp-tweaks.... but there isn't anything that i would modify.... at least for me, looks ok in that way
[19:44] <ralsina> gatox: cool :-)
[19:44] <ralsina> gatox: I will wait or lisette's and natalia's feedback tomorrow and propose
[19:45] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[19:45] <alecu> gatox, other than that, the branch looks good.
[19:45] <gatox> alecu, cool
[19:45] <gatox> alecu, now i'll fix those details
[19:47] <dobey> also, the text-scaling-factor setting is like the most useless setting ever
[19:48] <ralsina> dobey: is that a gtk thing?
[19:51] <dobey> yeah
[19:52] <dobey> well pango i guess
[19:52] <dobey> and firefox doesn't use it
[19:52] <gatox> alecu, i changed those things to assertTrue now...... already pushed
[19:52] <dobey> and presumably neither does qt
[19:53] <alecu> gatox, great
[19:53] <dobey> anyway
[19:53] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-installer/freezebreaker/+merge/97289
[19:54] <ralsina> dobey: on it!
[19:54] <ralsina> dobey: want to do screenshots for design, or want me to since I have a more default theme?
[19:56] <ralsina> well, qt doesn't use pango, so...
[19:57] <dobey> ralsina: no, but i expect an XSetting gets set on the root window for the scale factor, so that qt can pick it up
[19:58] <dobey> but maybe qt doesn't have a font scaling factor thing
[19:58] <ralsina> dobey: never had heard of it, to be honest. I should have :-)
[19:58] <ralsina> dobey: so, good work on implementing that design!
[19:58] <dobey> anyway, back to 1.0 and small font size specifications instead
[19:58] <ralsina> dobey: about screenies?
[19:59] <dobey> ralsina: please do
[20:01] <dobey> oh qt. you hath failed in your qss thing
[20:03] <ralsina> dobey: what happened?
[20:03] <dobey> font-size: xx-large; doesn't work in the qss
[20:03] <ralsina> There, mailed all the relevant people about the -installer branch, let's not merge it without design's blessing
[20:04] <ralsina> dobey: then you have to set it on the text. ;-/
[20:04] <ralsina> but yeah, the limits on text sizes are stupid
[20:04] <ralsina> no percentages makes no sense
[20:04] <dobey> well, at least that doesn't work in both places
[20:05] <ralsina> yeah
[20:05] <dobey> but only having xx-large work in only one way is dumb
[20:05] <ralsina> but the qss docs do say "just px and pt"
[20:05] <dobey> and makes the code needlessly more complex
[20:05] <ralsina> so at least it's documented
[20:08] <gatox> eod here! see you tomorrow!
[20:11] <jalcine> o/
[20:12] <ralsina> bye gatox!
[20:16] <ralsina> dobey: just tried u1-installer fromyour branch and it gets stuck, and shows this in console: https://pastebin.canonical.com/62257/
[20:17] <dobey> fml
[20:20] <ralsina> ok, gotta go. See y'all tomorrow!
[20:26] <dobey> ralsina: it works fine here :-/
[20:44] <dobey> man, i don't know what happened to evolution, or gtk recently, but gtkhtml is seriously broken with regards to mouse clicks in the message display :(
[21:26] <dobey> later all
[23:20] <ralsina> dobey: if it helps, ubuntuone-control-panel-qt was *not* installed by the installer (and installed just fine via apt-get) so it looks like it's thinking it finished early or something


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 A local attacker in some configurations could possibly use this to overwrite any file on the filesystem, bypassing intended permissions or gain root shell.
 @ahoneybun, Oi, wat'd u say m8?
 right the shell is not default, still Unity
 Oh, so artful is the gnome release?
 after Alpha 1 I think
 they will switch
 @Abrerr ^
 Oic
 IDK, looks weird imo.
 still a WIP as I know of
 I think it's the Ubuntu colors with the gnome top bar.
 I don't know what's going on with the battery icon
 that's ugly as sin
 Lol, just noticed
 😆
 https://plus.google.com/+KeithIMyers/posts/2x13YeKKA9Y
 @AdamOutler ^^
 I see that.
 ddwrt.
 I was looking up a pfSense open source router
 I would much rather have pfSense than DD-WRT
 That's a neat dashboard.
 god I'm crap at css and html
 I just had to generate a few certs and was able to get that router online in a matter of a minute. Any device that connects to this router via WiFi or Ethernet is automatically routed over my internal network
 @ahoneybun got PHP?
 that's worse lol
 well does not exist lol
 no, it's actually a great augment to HTML.
 anyway, the first thing I do after getting PHP working, is add the links from this page http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/
 start with a good framework.
 then do a

 or whatever you want from this page. https://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/examples/
 they've got tons of examples.
 I really am a big fan of the JumboTron
 The only issue I have with that router is that it's only single band
 @Ivoriesablaze, I would not get it to use as a primary router, it is just something for me to carry with me while I am out. I got one in the mail today for a small project I am working on and was so impressed that I ordered a 2nd one
 Well, it seems that no matter what router I buy, I never find one compatible with any open firmware
 @Ivoriesablaze, They can still be found but it used to be a lot easier a few years ago
 @Ivoriesablaze https://store.netgate.com/SG-2220.aspx
 I meant an affordable one, @AdamOutler
 https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/30/15713394/intel-compute-card-pocket-pc-computex-2017-lg-dell-lenovo
 @ahoneybun, Nice, I was reading about that a few months ago. Will be adding it to my list
 I am drinking my morning #covfefe.
 Nobody makes covfefe like I make covfefe. It's going to be great.
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 http://i.imgur.com/ESER51U.gifv

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 There is also a red one - https://www.amazon.com/Passport-Portable-External-SanDisk-Bundle/dp/B072HTRGD2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B072HTRGD2&pd_rd_r=ZFW3HZ13R70Y5WV5ASCJ&pd_rd_w=2NyWg&pd_rd_wg=DIy6P&psc=1&refRID=ZFW3HZ13R70Y5WV5ASCJ&linkCode=ll1&tag=lz0d6-20&linkId=13e10f5c06bfe7f390bbc366289623c4
 damn man I can't get this html and css to work
 trying to resize that email icon with css, it works if I do it in the html of course
 Ping me a bit later. Let me see if I can get it working (after 6PM)
 In fact, upload the files to your NextCloud and share it with<EMAIL_ADDRESS> yeaaaa that's a bit much for me to handle lol
 Ok, Just upload the graphics and mockups to your NextCloud/OwnCloud instance and share it with me. It should be something I can do quickly
 I'd liked to do it tbh just that CSS is being an ahole
 You need a table.  Css it to be invisible.  Each table element needs two divs.  The divs will be image and text.
 Make 3 rows and 5 columns in the table.
 tbh pictures are better with me but
 save the time there lol
 You're not reading.  Two divs within the table elements.  One for the picture and one for the text
 First 2 rows and 4 columns are for pic/text.  The 3rd row and 5th column are empty except the final element of each for the navigation.
 Div ready to go … Div here are some... … Div table with pix/txt and the nav … Div with progress bar.   … Css applied to make it look like that.
 So you can run a shell fork bomb in the WSL Chroot
 Put an id on all divs and apply the css to the id.
 @KMyers what?
 :(){ :|: & };:
 That will completely lock up the Windows instance if ran in the WSL chroot
 Yeah. That always works in bash
 That defines ":" as a method which pipes itself into itself and executes another one.


[01:02] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I am back ,, are you ?
[01:40] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, yes I am
[01:43] <Wild_Man> hello guiverc, you around?
[01:43] <guiverc> yep - can i help with something?
[01:45] <Wild_Man> guiverc, will you please post the newsletter to the fridge, I do not have access and krytarik has been gone for a while, we obly have the fridge and google+ which I can not do it either, I do not have access
[01:46] <guiverc> i can do fridge; not g+  -- can i grab the source you want uploaded (html i believe)
[01:46] <Wild_Man> guiverc, how do I check to see if the letter went out over the M/L because I did not receive an email that it did and I sent it hours ago
[01:47] <guiverc> i got an ML email send to ubuntu-news-team @ 7:58 my time (~3 hrs ago) - is that what you are looking for?
[01:48] <Wild_Man> does it have the whole letter in that email?
[01:49] <Wild_Man> can you copy and paste from the pm I sent you are do I need to pastebin it?
[01:51] <Wild_Man> pleia2, are you around?
[01:51] <pleia2> yes
[01:53] <Wild_Man> Everything has been published now except google+ is it okay if it waits until krytarik gets back? it may be tomorrow I do not know, I do not have access to publish there
[01:53] <Wild_Man> guiverc, is doing the fridge as we speak
[01:54] <pleia2> sure
[01:54] <Wild_Man> okay, thanks
[01:58] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8358&preview=true if someone wants to looks, links look okay  (but its my first fridge post of uwn!!) - should text be there?
[01:59] <Wild_Man> Looking
[01:59] <guiverc> (what i did matched the video tsimonq2 did for me on it..)
[02:00] <Wild_Man> the link is taking me to a blank page
[02:00] <guiverc> maybe on it only lets me view preview until published?  i don't know wp sorry
[02:01] <Wild_Man> that is what I think as well
[02:01] <guiverc> hold on - looking at other fridge posts (i was comparing to wiki - no wonder it looked different!)
[02:01] <Wild_Man> does it look like this http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[02:02] <guiverc> nope it perfectly matches other frdige posts - my bad (diff with wiki)
[02:02] <Wild_Man> great
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[02:03] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/05/08/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-526/
[02:05] <Wild_Man> looks good, Thanks! is this the email address you received the letter on tonight<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[02:06] <guiverc> nah - was<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:07] <Wild_Man> do you know how to see if it is stuck in que?
[02:07] <Wild_Man> I think it is
[02:07] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Back again in time :) .. for gdocs clean up .. Just change the issue# and date ,, then cut everything we had added this week,, then save ?? Something in the header to change ?
[02:08] <Wild_Man> remove all info for this issue we just published and change the dates at the top of the page, leave everything else untouched
[02:09] <Bashing-om> " News from fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 526 " .
[02:09] <oerheks> i see no https yet ?
[02:10] <Wild_Man> Leave the links that we always leave under "Weekly Ubuntu Development Team Meetings" Bashing-om
[02:11] <Wild_Man> oerheks, where is the https missing from the fridge?
[02:13] <Wild_Man> I see it on the fridge and wiki page I just loaded
[02:14] <oerheks> http://fridge.ubuntu.com on the wiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge ..
[02:15] <Wild_Man> oerheks, so it is not properly published to the fridge?
[02:17] <pleia2> looks fine to me
[02:17] <oerheks> no, my question is why does the news page not have a secure https?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: gdocs preped for issue 527 - here we can go again :D
[02:18] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Thank You!
[02:18] <pleia2> oerheks: it does, it's just not forced to https
[02:18] <pleia2> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/ works fine for me
[02:19] <pleia2> (logins *are* ssl required, but it does that automatically when doing the login)
[02:19] <pleia2> during
[02:20] <oerheks> indeed, i am not logged in
[02:24] <Wild_Man> pleia2, do you want us to update the social media admins here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam/Contact
[02:24] <pleia2> yes, that should be updated :)
[02:25] <Wild_Man> Okay, that is what I thought, thanks
[02:27] <Wild_Man> I added guiverc since he can publish to the fridge
[02:27] <Wild_Man> or is the fridge considered social media?
[02:28] <pleia2> no, the fridge isn't social media
[02:28] <Wild_Man> Okay
[02:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 526 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/05/08/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-526/
[02:31] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, will you help onefallen with installing an rss reader and the script and get him going if I do not talk him tomorrow before I leave town?
[02:32] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, he is good to go, been added to gdoc, new launchpad account and added to the wiki team
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sure .. I have added a lot since I installed :)
[02:32] <Wild_Man> that are not in the script?
[02:33] <Wild_Man> did you install the latest rss feed script after krytarik updated it?
[02:34] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Paul's script initially, since that install I have added several more feeds.
[02:35] <Wild_Man> off topic pleia2 I received an email about an ubuntu email issue after I renewed a member, he will have to work that out with the ubuntu email address team correct?
[02:35] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: krytarik updated it? Was not aware .
[02:35] <Wild_Man> Yes Bashing-om
[02:35] <Wild_Man> he took some out that we do not need and cleaned it up a bit
[02:37] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Gonna have to put on my learning cap again .. see what the differences are and fix up my script :)
[02:37] <Wild_Man> hopefully we can get onefallen adding some links tomorrow, start him off with that and when he has time the other scripts
[02:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, indeed
[02:38] <Wild_Man> Remember I will be away after tomorrow until Friday night for my daughters graduation
[02:38] <Wild_Man> it is in Dallas
[02:40] <pleia2> Wild_Man: it should re-appear after a few days, but yes if they continue to have problems they'll need to submit a ticket with Canonical IS<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:41] <Wild_Man> he can send but not receive pleia2
[02:41] <pleia2> yeah, the forward was probably deleted when the membership lapsed
[02:42] <Wild_Man> okay, I will have him create a ticket, thanks
[02:42] <pleia2> a job runs a couple (?) times a week to (re)add the forwards based on the membership list, so it will come back
[02:42] <pleia2> but if they're worried or w/e, ticketr
[02:42] <pleia2> -r
[02:43] <Wild_Man> I thought it all come back after 48 hours and until them it was non-functional
[02:43] <Wild_Man> Them/then
[02:44] <pleia2> I don't know how often the cron job runs to add them
[02:44] <Wild_Man> I tell him
[02:52] <guiverc> Wild_Man, yeah my personal email got @ 7:57 from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(hours ago; i hadn't noticed sorry!)
[02:56] <Wild_Man> guiverc, thanks and I figured out how to check to make sure the email went through, so good all the way around
[02:57] <Wild_Man> Since all is done I am going to be afk, everyone have a good night and thanks!
[02:58] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: We done good .. for what we are :P
[02:58] <guiverc> thanks Wild_Man
[02:59] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you all did real good! :)
[03:05] <Bashing-om> and tomorrow starts it all over again :D
[13:58] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Next Gen’ Ubuntu Installer Outlined by Mark Shuttleworth @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=131089 (by Joey Sneddon)
[15:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Mark Shuttleworth: Cue the Cosmic Cuttlefish @ http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1521
[15:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 18.10 Operating System Dubbed "Cosmic Cuttlefish" by Mark Shuttleworth @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-10-operating-system-dubbed-cosmic-cuttlefish-by-mark-shuttleworth-521029.shtml (by Softpedia News (Marius Nestor))
[15:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: CrossOver for Linux & Mac Updated with Better Support for Microsoft Office 2016 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/crossover-for-linux-mac-updated-with-better-support-for-microsoft-office-2016-521030.shtml (by Softpedia News (Marius Nestor))
[16:51] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Next Generation Ubuntu Linux Installer Could Use HTML5, Electron, and Snaps @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/next-generation-ubuntu-linux-installer-could-use-html5-electron-and-snaps-521032.shtml (by Softpedia News (Marius Nestor))
[18:07] <onefallen> I guess we now have heard the new name "Cosmic Cuttlefish"
[18:07] <onefallen> for the Link http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1521
[18:08] <onefallen> BTW I really liked the news letter this week good job all
[18:09] <Bashing-om> onefallen: Nope, not me ! ,, Just firing up to get the day started :) .. How are you progressing ? Got UWN questions; I "might" have answers to ?
[18:09] <wxl> yeah the design team announced everything will be tie dye this cycle
[18:10] <onefallen> @Bashing-om Yes I will PM you though is that OK
[18:12] <Bashing-om> onefallen: sure ! PM's from associates are always welcome :)
[18:13] <onefallen> Thanks^^^
[18:14] <onefallen> I have a heavt scedule for the next 3 days medicaly just to let all know
[18:14] <onefallen> Heavy
[18:20] <Bashing-om> onefallen: Medical issues are a fact of life with all of us .. We do as we can and getter-done :)
[18:22] <onefallen> The sad truth for sure, jnust my way to inform is all ;)
[18:25] <Bashing-om> onefallen: Yeah, we do need to be aware. Wild_Man too has an excused absence most of the week. I do what I can and others pick up the slack .. We do need more help !
[18:25] <Wild_Man> I am awake for the second time today, not feeling well for some reason. onefallen yes I saw the name and I added it to the gdoc this morning
[18:26] <Wild_Man> I have asked another friend if they want to help, so I am waiting to hear back from him, he is across the globe so is probably asleep
[18:27] <onefallen> Wild _Man take it easy then, maybe take a break today
[18:28] <Wild_Man> onefallen, this is the link to the gdoc in case you do not have it, https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit
[18:28] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Is not Mark's article worthy as " General Community News " ??
[18:28] <Wild_Man> I will be doing what I can but I have to run some errands today
[18:29] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am not sure, I almost put it there but did not since it is official Canonical news imo
[18:29] <onefallen> Thanks Wild_Man for link bookedmarked now :)
[18:29] <Wild_Man> It could go either place I imagine
[18:31] <Wild_Man> onefallen, this link is very important https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[18:32] <Wild_Man> hello wxl,
[18:33] <Wild_Man> onefallen, do you have an rss reader installed?
[18:33] <onefallen> Wild_Man can not login into the wiki yet>>>frozen
[18:34] <onefallen> No rss reader yet
[18:35] <Wild_Man> sometimes it is slow at logging in
[18:35] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Mark: I think falls within the guidelines for inclusion in General Community News. And after all this is sabdfl, and my ipinion should be the leading summary this week .
[18:36] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay will you please remove my link then?
[18:36] <Wild_Man> hello krytarik are you here?
[18:36] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ya .. will do ( I had not seen it 'till ya pointed it out ).
[18:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I almost put it in General as well, that is probably the best place for it
[18:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: There is a good giude to what to include in the sections, but I lost track of where it is :( Been doing a lot of hunting this AM to find it ! )
[18:42] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I read it but I am not sure at the moment where it is at either, I have to run out for a while so I will leave you and onefallen to it, bbl
[18:42] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: K :)
[18:43] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, just trying hard to pick up on what I missed last night due to 7 hours internet (and phone) outage.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2018-May/001245.html - and I would put this in General, and Mark's in Planet.
[18:43] <Bashing-om> onefallen: My feling is that we have until Friday to gather the materials we will report in the newsletter .
[18:46] <onefallen> Good to hear B-om
[18:46] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I am on my way out but I think all we need to finish up the last issue is put it on google+, which I do not think I have been added to the access list
[18:47] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Last eve Chris abd pleia2 pitched in to complete the publising we could not do :)
[18:47] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Heh, yeah, figured already nobody managed to do this at least.. :P
[18:47] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Did you manage to do Facebook though?
[18:48] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Yeah, I just fixed guiverc's variant of it up.
[18:49] <krytarik> (The Fridge post I mean.)
[18:49] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :) .,. so much for our think'n as we "thought" we had finally got it covered :P
[18:56] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Oh btw, the issue you had noticed on the Fridge post generation, I got that too when I went about preparing the post earlier - figured what's the reason, unicode chars in the linked headers, and just fixed the one affected this time, but haven't had a chance (and it's also rather unlikely) to figure out a fix yet.
[19:03] <Bashing-om> krytarik: While you are in the editing mode: item 15 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit. we want to redirect the scrip's link to your git ?
[19:06] <krytarik> Well, it's not "my" Git, I'm pushing to the upstream one directly - and the link is still fine.
[19:07] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ho kay .. :)
[19:08] <krytarik> I'm just keeping my previous cloned one for now, just in case.. :P
[19:08] <krytarik> (Which is why you see it along the main one on that page still.)
[19:08] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 526 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/05/08/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-526/ (by guiverc)
[19:09] <krytarik> (This is the bot noticing my fixes to the post.)
[19:11] <Bashing-om> Good little bot that it is :)
[19:13] <krytarik> Just saying this time it's not duplicating again.. :P
[20:00] <krytarik> And wrt HTTPS on the Fridge, I figure we could alleviate the 'mixed content' issue there at least a little if we change the image URLs in the UWN post starting from now on to either be independent from the protocol or to HTTPS - but there would still be the RSS icon in the sidebar (http://ubuntu-news.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rss.png) which like everything else on the widgets, we cannot ...
[20:00] <krytarik> ... change currently due to access limitations.
[20:50] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: It's Official: Chromebooks Will Soon Run Linux Apps and Pixelbook Is the First @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/it-s-official-chromebooks-will-soon-run-linux-apps-and-pixelbook-is-the-first-521042.shtml (by Softpedia News (Marius Nestor))
[22:55] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish" Is Now Officially Open for Development @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-is-now-officially-open-for-development-521044.shtml (by Marius Nestor)


[06:16] <tjaalton> lp1197363 has been verification-done for some time now
[06:16] <tjaalton> it would also fix bug 1175533, not that it was mentioned on the changelog..
[06:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1175533 in HWE Next "[HSW] intel VGA driver i915 doesn't support new haswell graphics [8086:0a2e] " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175533
[06:20] <tjaalton> also, the lts backport copy of mesa 9.1.4 is in precise-updates already, kinda weird that the "mother" package isn't in raring-updates yet :)
[06:21] <infinity> tjaalton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1197316 is slightly less v-done.
[06:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1197316 in mesa (Ubuntu Raring) "GPU hang with Haswell GT3" [High,Fix committed]
[06:22] <infinity> tjaalton: (ie: if you want people to promote things, give us green bugs)
[06:22] <tjaalton> ahh, good poing
[06:22] <tjaalton> assigned to me even :)
[06:25] <tjaalton> well, the same commits are in 9.1.4, the bug was mainly for quantal tracking
[06:26] <infinity> tjaalton: I'm not arguing the purpose of the bug, just that it shows up as non-verified on our reports, so without manual digging, we'll assume we should skip that update.
[06:27] <tjaalton> I'll just mark it verified
[06:27] <infinity> tjaalton: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html is handy to check if you're wondering the state of something.
[06:27] <tjaalton> saucy worked fine on gt3, had 9.1.4 there until 9.2 landed
[06:29] <tjaalton> infinity: yeah, I'll leave it open..
[06:29] <tjaalton> the page on a tab that is
[06:30] <infinity> slangasek: Dude, who reviewed/accepted your sponsored apt upload where you completely failed to clean the tree and shipped debian/apt/EVERYTHING in the diff?
[06:31] <infinity> slangasek: Please sir, may I have another?
[06:31] <tjaalton> :)
[06:32]  * infinity thinks we need a Code Review 101 if diff like that are getting through.
[06:32] <infinity> s/diff/diffs/
[07:27] <xnox> infinity: let's see if component-missmatches likes this next upload.
[07:28] <xnox> *sigh* ftbfs.
[07:36] <xnox> I wish syncpackage checked new queue, when syncing in new packages. Feel free to reject one of dianara syncs =)
[08:46] <Laney> Someone please consider my GStreamer FFe: bug #1220588
[08:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220588 in gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update GStreamer stack to 1.1.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220588
[09:07] <Noskcaj> bug 1221626
[09:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1221626 in clive (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync clive 2.3.3+cclive (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221626
[09:55] <tjaalton> infinity: huh, apparently I had the tag-editing thingy open on the mesa bug, without actually committing the change. thanks anyway
[11:22] <xnox> infinity: boost cleared from component-mismatches.
[15:18] <slangasek> infinity: oh, that was a self-accept because I was sponsoring it so it wasn't really "Mine"; unfortunately I hit the wrong button and tried to ^C it and the archive beat me to it
[15:18] <slangasek> infinity: if you'd like to remove it I can reupload
[15:25] <slangasek> infinity: and oh, the apt package has an incredibly buggy 'clean' target, instead of cleaning anything after build, it just calls 'configure' and then leaves a mess behind. :P
[17:36] <highvoltage> "hi, i am Rogel, im new in linux OS. i just wanna ask if it is ok if I install edubuntu alongside with windows 7..
[17:36] <highvoltage> if it is ok, how? because the last time i install KUBUNTU and my data were deleted."
[17:36] <highvoltage> bad kubuntu!
[17:42] <ScottK> It's the same friggin' installer.
[17:42] <ScottK> Pick the wrong option and that will happen.
[22:53] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, well aware of apt's hilarious clean target, I usually start from a clean source tree and build with -nc for SRUs.
[22:53] <slangasek> this makes me sad
[22:54] <infinity> slangasek: If you want to upload a less broken one, feel free.  No point in removing the old one, you need to supersede the version anyway.
[22:54] <slangasek> infinity: I'll only upload it if you make me feel guilty enough
[22:55] <infinity> slangasek: You should feel guilty by default for including binaries and pregenerated DEBIAN/* in an upload.
[22:55] <infinity> slangasek: That shouldn't need my help, surely.
[22:55] <slangasek> well played


[00:07] <ianorlin> Any one else find that reading the hippa privacy policy reads like a proprietary software liscense
[00:08] <ianorlin> and why do I want to email rms to see if he had security officers called on him when he refused to sign that he had recieved a copy of privacy policy when he had not
[00:09] <ianorlin> hmm would building an infrastrucre that allows people to host their own medical records work instead of liscensing it from the medical service providers
[00:09] <ianorlin> how would a peer to peer medical records system work
[00:09] <ianorlin> but getting that adopted would be a crazy battle
[00:22] <Roguehorse> DonkeyHotei: Well, that's true in some cases also
[00:24] <Roguehorse> You can build whatever you like, it's just a matter of the adoption
[00:25] <Roguehorse> If you think it's a good idea and you meet therequired criteria for safeguards and regulations.......eh, give it a go
[01:49] <ianorlin> https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/718/distributed-encrypted-electronic-health-records-ehr
[01:49] <darthrobot`> Title: [Distributed /Encrypted Electronic Health Records (EHR) - ethereum]
[04:21] <pleia2> ianorlin: fwiw, volunteering and being a linux hobbiest is how I kicked off my career
[04:21] <pleia2> there are several open source infrastructure projects these days, debian, fedora, jenkins, openstack (what I work on) to get real experience
[04:22]  * pleia2 digs up links
[04:22] <pleia2> Debian: https://dsa.debian.org/
[04:22] <pleia2> Fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure
[04:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [DSA]
[04:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [Infrastructure - FedoraProject]
[04:22] <pleia2> Mozilla: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/PuppetAgain
[04:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [ReleaseEngineering/PuppetAgain - MozillaWiki]
[04:23] <pleia2> http://jenkins-ci.org/content/come-join-infra-team
[04:23] <darthrobot`> Title: [Come join the infra team! | Jenkins CI]
[04:24] <pleia2> and of course http://ci.openstack.org/
[04:24] <darthrobot`> Title: [OpenStack Project Infrastructure — openstack-infra-config 46130f6 documentation]
[04:25] <nhaines> pleia2: volunteering and being a linux hobbyist is also how I've landed in a couple of fascinating jobs.  :)
[04:25] <pleia2> \o/
[04:25] <nhaines> Not to mention ended up being a published author (yay magazine articles!)
[04:26] <pleia2> yeah, me too
[04:26] <nhaines> Even Linux Foundation looked at my Ubucon work and called me about their Event Coordinator position early this year.
[04:26] <DonkeyHotei> yeah, none of that ever happened to me
[04:26] <nhaines> *They* called *me*.  I was pretty amazed.  And you'd better believe my résumé had more than a throwaway sentence in it about Ubucon before I emailed it to them.
[04:26] <pleia2> :)
[04:27] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: does your resume talk about your volunteer work?
[04:27] <pleia2> it has a whole section on mine, that's pretty essential
[04:27] <nhaines> Plus, you'd better believe that anyone who's been in the trenches with me at SCaLE and needs a reference is going to get a massively glowing one from me.
[04:28] <DonkeyHotei> i don't even remember that much of my volunteer work
[04:28] <nhaines> If you don't tell anyone about your volunteer work, it can't help you.
[04:28] <pleia2> yeah, you do need to be strategic about it
[04:29] <DonkeyHotei> some of the highlights may be in the resume, i no longer remember
[04:29] <pleia2> but it definitely is possible to get and claim experience in tech even before you have a proper job, that's why/how so many of us are self taught
[04:29] <nhaines> Nobody cares about your résumé any more than you do.
[04:30] <nhaines> pleia2: Free Software is unique in that regard in that it only requires determination, because the tools are all freely available.
[04:30] <pleia2> yeah
[04:30] <pleia2> fortunately most companies these days use free software :)
[04:30] <nhaines> It's not like interships don't exist anywhere else, but in Free Software you don't play with toys, you play with the real, live thing.
[04:31] <nhaines> And even if they don't, you're still using enterprise-grade software.  :)
[04:32] <DonkeyHotei> you look at the want ads on CL, anything that doesn't require a BS in CS is a minimum wage internship
[04:33] <pleia2> I just ignore that requirement and apply anyway
[04:33] <ianorlin> and networking in person is horrible for people with autism
[04:33] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: i did that for years anyway and it didn't do me a lot
[04:34] <rww> networking in person is horrible
[04:34] <pleia2> ianorlin: that's why I network via IRC :) (well, I'm not autistic, but I am terribly shy when I'm not speaking)
[04:34]  * ianorlin knows
[04:34] <pleia2> social gatherings are tough unless I know people
[04:34] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: there is a phenomenon called "broader autism phenotype"
[04:36] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: realistically I probably do land somewhere on the spectrum, but I'd rather not self diagnose (and I'm ok with how I am)
[04:37]  * ianorlin also knows there are channels for autism on freenode
[04:38] <pleia2> I also write a lot - twitter, blogs, articles, etc, so people know I'm engaged even if I'm quiet at actual events
[04:39] <pleia2> ooh, breakfast time
[04:40] <DonkeyHotei> when asked whether he's on the spectrum, rms said, and i paraphrase, "i don't know and i don't really care" because knowing whether he is or not doesn't really affect his life
[04:41] <pleia2> yeah, that
[04:42] <ianorlin> also rms got upset when he was asked to sign he had recieved privacy policy when he had not at doctors
[04:43] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: i've personally witnessed his autistic meltdowns, he's on the spectrum, zero doubt
[04:43] <DonkeyHotei> having seen esr speak at balug, i'm reasonably sure he is also
[04:45] <DonkeyHotei> takes one to know one
[05:08] <ianorlin> also why do places send confidential messages to gmail
[05:11] <DonkeyHotei> you know you can use gpg over gmail, right?
[05:23]  * ianorlin should learn to do that
[05:23] <ianorlin> no but not gpg
[06:22] <Roguehorse> Sorry I missed the rest of the conversation, had to break away and watch The LEGO movie with my son
[06:23] <DonkeyHotei> ian isn't here, so convo over
[06:25] <Roguehorse> ahh, looks like some good things got said
[06:26] <DonkeyHotei> important things were left unsaid
[06:26] <Roguehorse> sometimes always are; good thing IRC is perpetual : )
[06:27] <Roguehorse> and to think so many miss out on this for Skype
[06:27] <DonkeyHotei> i'm on both skype and here
[06:28] <Roguehorse> I don't do Skype ... no need
[06:29] <Roguehorse> gotta run, time for bed then LOTS of homework for the weekend - YAY!


[02:15]  * gilbert is trying unity on 11.10, and isn't going completely mad
[02:16] <gilbert> progress, ooh
[02:17] <gilbert> but why oh why oh why can't i modify the panel??? come on...
[02:20] <gilbert> wrong chan :( oops
[02:20] <gilbert> disregard
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[10:01] <micahg> anyone have the URL handy that searches UDD for uploads by an individual?
[10:21] <Guest51058> ooh, I like this nick!
[10:21] <Laney> boring :(
[10:22] <micahg> Laney: hi, do you have that link handy where I can look up my uploads in UDD?
[10:22] <Laney> ooh, err, ooh
[10:23] <Laney> the sponsoring thing? tumbleweed did that
[10:23] <micahg> yeah, ok, I wasn't sure who did that, let me see if I can find it now then
[10:24] <Laney> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi
[10:24] <Laney> micahg: that?
[10:24] <micahg> yes :), thanks
[10:24] <Laney> thank god for browser history
[10:25] <micahg> yeah, was lacking in mine and I thought I bookmarked it
[10:25]  * micahg needs to find who to hassle for endorsement
[10:25] <micahg> *endorsements
[10:25] <micahg> s/hassle/ask nicely/ :D
[10:26] <Laney> heh
[10:54] <micahg> tumbleweed: http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi seems to not show sponsors anymore
[11:01] <broder> micahg: it looks like the sponsors import is broken
[11:01] <broder> the ubuntu_upload_history table seems to just have "N/A" for signed_by_name
[11:03] <broder> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/752368/
[11:06] <Laney> BLAST!
[11:10] <Laney> erm
[11:10] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86055975/facter_1.6.2-1ubuntu1_source.changes
[11:10] <Laney> no signed-by?
[11:11] <tumbleweed> oh, right, sanity checking? who does that? :)
[11:11] <Laney> epic fail
[11:11] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2011-November/003573.html
[11:11] <Laney> it is in the first part but not the changesfile
[11:12] <tumbleweed> well it's in the gpg signature in the changesfile
[11:12] <Laney> which you don't have in changesFileUrl()
[11:13] <Laney> woe is us
[11:13] <tumbleweed> oh, that's problematic
[11:13] <tumbleweed> must be in the spph, though
[11:14] <Laney> the worst part is
[11:14] <Laney> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/laney/ubuntu-upload-history.git;a=blob;f=munge_ddc.py;h=11b3d28818110d84f23859de0b3e64fae80fcfed;hb=HEAD#l130
[11:15] <tumbleweed> the "some reason" is quite logical...
[11:15] <Laney> :P
[11:16] <Laney> i meant that i knew about it
[11:16] <Laney> and then promptly forgot said knowledge
[11:16] <tumbleweed> right, so did I :/
[11:17] <Laney> reimport time!
[11:17] <tumbleweed> you think I can do it in one go?
[11:18] <Laney> launchpad downtime might get you
[11:18] <tumbleweed> yeah :/
[11:19] <tumbleweed> I'll do per-release again
[11:19] <Laney> we should sanity check the dates
[11:20] <Laney> there was only ~10 uploads with borked ones so it's not too bad to ignore them
[11:20] <tumbleweed> can we not trust date_created?
[11:20] <Laney> i guess fall back to that
[11:20] <tumbleweed> or date_published even
[11:21] <tumbleweed> hard to sanity check, though
[11:23] <Laney> parsedate_tz doesn't :(
[11:24] <tumbleweed> if you want proper TZ handling in python you want dateutil and/or pytz
[11:29] <Laney> also doesn't validate it
[11:29] <Laney> i think the errors come from postgres itself
[11:31] <tumbleweed> oh, I didn't see the errors you were getting
[11:32] <Laney> they were when importing
[11:33] <tumbleweed> yes, what sort of problems?
[11:33] <Laney> #ubuntu-motu.log-20111124:23/11 00:26:02 <Laney> psycopg2.DataError: time zone displacement out of range: "Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:43:00 +2000"
[11:33] <Laney> like that
[11:35] <tumbleweed> oh, /me remembers
[14:53] <tumbleweed> Laney: are you doing anything about ubuntu-upload-history (I'm about to start looking at it)
[14:53] <Laney> not atm, feel free
[15:42] <tumbleweed> Laney: how about this: If abs(Changes Date - Date Created) > 24 hours, use Date Created ?
[15:42] <Laney> are there legitimate situations when that might be true?
[15:43] <tumbleweed> stuck in a queue?
[15:43] <Laney> the +2000 case might not even be caught by that
[15:43] <tumbleweed> embargoed uploads?
[15:43] <tumbleweed> that's catchable by hand
[15:43] <Laney> you could just try to parse it
[15:44] <Laney> some of them were e.g. typoed days and months
[15:44] <Laney> which should hopefully fail to parse
[15:44] <tumbleweed> but there were also things that were clearly wrong
[15:44] <Laney> and then check the tz is within a valid range
[15:44] <tumbleweed> i.e. out by months
[15:44] <Laney> then making your check much longer (say 2 weeks) should be a good compromise
[15:45] <tumbleweed> ok, I like that
[15:45] <Laney> I bet if the parser is lazy that it would accept invalid days though
[15:45] <Laney> as those are technically redundant
[15:45] <tumbleweed> render it back to a string and compare?
[15:46] <Laney> sounds good
[15:46] <tumbleweed> hrm, we don't have dateutil on syklone
[15:46]  * tumbleweed tries to work out if we need it
[15:53] <tumbleweed> Laney: hrm, dateutil does sanity-check the TZ, but allows a greater range
[15:53] <tumbleweed> -1439 to 1439
[15:54] <tumbleweed> (minutes)
[15:58] <Laney> another alternative is to let the udd importer skip invalid records
[15:59] <tumbleweed> it's fine, I can easily enforce a tighter restriction here
[16:23] <tumbleweed> Laney: ok, running a smallish import of karmic from the beginning of 2009-10 (that'll also cover some odd e-mail addresses) http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/out/
[16:24] <Laney> cool
[16:24] <Laney> what did you do about the emails?
[16:25] <tumbleweed> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/stefanor/ubuntu-upload-history.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab8f776c22ac367c28caa6fd2405d22d83557146
[16:25] <Laney> WARNING:lp-udd:Date does not render back to itself: Mon,  12 Oct 2009 15:47:58 +0100 != Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:58 +0100. Going with date_created
[16:25] <Laney> can we handle that?
[16:25] <tumbleweed> I'm putting Signed-By on every record, seem sensible?
[16:26] <tumbleweed> yes, we could special-case that
[16:26] <Laney> I guess signed_by <> 'N/A' was never good enough on its own, so I guess so
[16:31] <tumbleweed> re-importing with double spaces special-cased
[17:25] <l3on> cjwatson, hey... are you working on flphoto?
[17:28] <cjwatson> lenios_: yes
[17:28] <cjwatson> er
[17:28] <cjwatson> l3on: yes
[17:28] <l3on> ah ok :) I see it fails :P
[17:28] <l3on> ok, don't worry.... let's see something else... :)
[17:28] <cjwatson> yes, I know, I'm working through the failures
[17:29] <l3on> flphoto for example...
[17:29] <l3on> ops sorry -.-
[17:29] <cjwatson> the failures in flphoto I mean
[17:29] <cjwatson> just a bit tedious
[17:29] <l3on> can I take git-annex  ?
[17:31] <cjwatson> it's possible git-annex might succeed if retried
[17:31] <cjwatson> run it through pbuilder or something to chekc?
[17:31] <cjwatson> *check
[17:31] <cjwatson> it might have got caught up in the perl and imagemagick transitions
[17:32] <l3on> ok... let's see :)
[17:32] <Laney> still fails
[17:34] <Laney> sid version does too
[17:37] <cjwatson> it looks like a bug in whatever library that is it's using though?
[17:38] <Laney> i would say so
[17:40] <cjwatson> flphoto fix uploaded
[17:48] <l3on> Yep.. I'm going to test "perl -e 'use Image::Magick'" in precise
[17:48] <l3on> because in oneiric builds fine
[17:50] <cjwatson> Given all the transitions, problems in this area aren't especially surprising
[17:59] <Laney> that file hasn't been linked properly
[18:09] <l3on> hey men... I found the problem about myodbc ...
[18:09] <l3on> in precise we have libmysqlclient-dev > 5.1
[18:10] <l3on> and myodbc seems to build only with libmysqlclient-dev <= 5.1
[18:10] <l3on> in other words, in precise control should set "libmysqlclient16-dev" instead of "libmysqlclient-dev"
[18:10] <l3on> what the best way to do that?
[18:11] <l3on> and... debian sees libmysqlclient-dev > 5.1 in experimental... we have to file bug in debian or just merge in ubuntu for now ?
[18:12] <micahg> l3on: no, libmysqlclient16-dev is going away, we need it to build with libmysqlclient-dev (or 5.5)
[18:12] <l3on> micahg, ok... I'm going to figure out ...
[18:13] <micahg> libmysqliclient-dev should be libmysqlclient18-dev ATM
[18:13] <micahg> l3on: thanks :)
[18:13] <l3on> yes, you're right
[18:36] <l3on> hey micahg ... why don't we use myodbc 5.1.9 ?
[18:37] <l3on> I'm looking at code and bug has fixed there...
[18:38] <micahg> l3on: Debian hasn't updated yet?  you can certainly propose a merge/debdiff with that update, might want to check with Spamaps in #ubuntu-devel first so as not to duplicate work
[18:38] <l3on> upstream changelog says http://paste.ubuntu.com/752778/
[18:38] <l3on> ok.. I'm going..
[18:47] <l3on> what diff between this channel and ubuntu-devel ?!
[18:48] <l3on> should I join both to get involved in ubuntu development cycle ?!
[18:50] <micahg> l3on: well, this channel is more geared towards universe/multiverse packages and mentoring, whereas ubuntu-devel is focused on main/restricted, patch piloting, and other development related discussions (such as transitions)
[19:26] <l3on> mmm... in precise:
[19:27] <l3on> perl -e 'use Image::Magick'
[19:27] <l3on> perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so: undefined symbol: MagickCoreGenesis
[20:18] <broder> oh hey - the backports pocket does enforce some form of archive upload permissions! "tomcat6_6.0.18-0ubuntu3.3~hardy1_source.changes rejected [...] Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main'."
[20:24] <micahg> :)
[20:25] <tumbleweed> Laney: finished running
[20:41] <l3on> hey guys... could you explain me something ? :)
[20:41] <l3on> I would understand... how to fix -as-needed ..
[20:42] <tumbleweed> l3on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ToolchainTransition
[20:42] <l3on> what I get is: put libs "-laaabbb" alway after "-o output" ...
[20:42] <l3on> tumbleweed, I'm reading that :)
[20:42] <tumbleweed> no. put -laaabbb after foo.o
[20:42] <l3on> but.. what is not clear... what to do with '-L' ?
[20:42] <l3on> yeah yeah tumbleweed, I wrote it wrong... :)
[20:43] <tumbleweed> -L probably doesn't matter here
[20:43] <l3on> ok, let's try :)
[20:44] <tumbleweed> how exactly you go about fixing the build failure will depend on the package
[20:44] <tumbleweed> most common cause is people misusing LDFLAGS
[20:44] <l3on> tumbleweed, problem here is not a fail in building, but something wrong at runtime
[20:44] <l3on> bug 897380
[20:45] <tumbleweed> right, that's common for plugins, where we expect some symbols to not be resolved in the shared library
[20:46] <tumbleweed> if only more packages had test suites...
[20:47] <tumbleweed> Laney: just as well I ran that test, the weird e-mail addreses were in the changes files not lp. Duh!
[23:57] <Laney> l3on: I informed mterry about that, don't know if he was looking at it but you might want to check
[23:57] <Laney> tumbleweed: yeah, that's where all of the dubious data is
[23:58]  * tumbleweed ran another test, but it got killed by ubuntuwire admins trying to add more disk space :)


[09:35]  * zxmpi looks at all the people without leccy this morning https://powercheck.esbnetworks.ie/
[09:37] <daftykins> :O
[09:41] <zxmpi> 100k without atm https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/storm-debi-to-batter-ireland-with-gusts-of-up-to-130km-h-1551017.html
[09:42] <zxmpi> all those families huddled around the last power bank wondering whos phone is going to be charged
[09:46] <daftykins> must be a very low % that still rely on cash i would have thought, but then i'm bias to my own usage patterns
[10:27] <daftykins> hah the sun is out and it's showing me all the dust on my monitors, oy
[11:18] <daftykins> what are we, 1.5 weeks since that storm? client only just had their phone line reconnected :O
[11:36] <zxmpi> of the 100k without power a few will take a bit longer to reconnect as more of their lines were downed
[11:37] <zxmpi> it is always that way with big storms
[11:44] <daftykins> overhead like some kinda uncivilised, leftpondian land!?