[00:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/yt85n.png
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> for you <3
[00:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: broken looking muon?
[00:48] <Riddell> or is that a fix to something?
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's showing the new progress throbber that shows up when the Muon Software Center is starting up
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> before it'd just sit like that for ~ a second while it loaded stuff
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> with no indication that it was working
[00:50] <Riddell> lovely
[00:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: threaded or split up in process method?
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> threaded using QtConcurrent/QFuture, makes it super-easy
[00:51] <Riddell> dude you're elite
[00:52] <Riddell> I've done very little threaded stuff, s-c-printer-kde is about the only one I think
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> All you have to do with QFuture is set up a QFuture object that will hold the results of your asynchronous function, connect it's finished() signal to a slot, then run your asynchronous function with QtConcurrent
[00:55] <Riddell> it's all so much simpler than the java stuff I got (badly) taught at uni
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> here's the diff if you're curious: http://commits.kde.org/muon/2524feb991b59435b766a0a7c03ed56931333385
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> I turned the init() method into a non-classed function, then I pass a function pointer to init along w/ the function parameters to QtConcurrent::run
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> My future watcher tells me when QtConcurrent has finished it's thread running my init function, and I get my nice QVector filled with apps
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> very handy for multithreading sorting
[00:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what are your initial impressions of apol's qml interface?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> or creating large lists of objects
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I like it, but I'm not an expert with mobile UI's (not that I'm an expert with desktop ones) so I don't know what judgements I could make in that regard
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> What I'd really like to see is a set of style guidelines from KDE for mobile UI's, and QML UI's on the desktop
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> it seems that right now there's a bit of a "roll your own" thing going on
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> I guess this will become a more prominent issue when Qt/KDE5 roll around
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> when everything goes QML
[01:00]  * jalcine thinks JontheEchidna is, in fact, an elite, lol
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:02] <jalcine> Should be addressed as soon as possible.
[01:02] <jalcine> The sooner it happens, however, the more people that might want to use QML.
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I've been working w/ apol to work on UI warts as they become apparent, the UI is still very new and still does some funky stuff. I do like it in general, though.
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> I plan on keeping the classic QWidget Muon Software Center around until KDE5, and keeping the QML Installer for the "Active" flavour until that time.
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> (Active is the current hip word for mobile, right?)
[01:06] <jalcine> Lol, could be
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: We could do a UI review at UDS to get some input from the wider Kubuntu Contributor community, if we could work out a way for that to be done remotely.
[01:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes please add to wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries
[01:38] <Riddell> hmm kmix keeps crashing suddenly
[06:38] <KRF> Riddell: yep. same here
[07:52] <jussi> Morning all, just tried to do a upgrade to precise from oneiric, got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/897481/
[07:53] <jussi> (i left it on overnight and just woke up to that :( )
[08:30] <jussi> sigh. cant seem to get past that error and dont want to turn my PC off before I get it sorted :(
[09:38] <georgelappies_> new Thunderbird update has the bug where the tooltips are Black text on very dark background. using KDE 4.8.1. with ubuntu 11.10
[09:47] <schnelle> georgelappies_: you can change tooltip background color in system settings to workaround this bug
[09:49] <georgelappies_> schnelle: thanks, will do so. Where would one look to find the cause of this bug? is it coming from the oxygen-gtk gtk theme engine?
[09:54] <schnelle> georgelappies_: I really don't know where bug is. I had this bug in chrome. Now the bug is present with firefox too
[09:56] <georgelappies_> schnelle: you using the oxygen-gtk plugin as well? If I change my style to Raleigh for gtk the bug is gone but all gtk apps look fugly
[09:58] <schnelle> georgelappies_: yes. probably it is oxygen-gtk bug.
[10:03] <schnelle> Riddell: can Kubuntu use lighter tooltip background color by default? tooltip background color which works well with dark(black) and light(white) text
[10:04] <schnelle> that way we can workaround bugs with tooltip like we had in libreoffice in oneiric
[10:05] <schnelle> now in oneiric i have this tooltip bug with chrome and firefox, so i had to change tooltip background color
[10:17] <georgelappies_> the 'Chrome' colour scheme works well as the tooltip colour is a light blue
[10:19] <Peace-> ok the pool on ubuntu forums doesn't work
[10:19] <Peace-> poll
[10:25] <Peace->  i guess i have a solution for this
[10:25] <Peace-> a fork
[10:26] <Peace-> or something like that
[13:48] <jussi> right, so got the update to precise done, after a few shenanigans
[14:21] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:52] <rbelem> Riddell, heya
[14:57] <BluesKaj> quiet here today ..especially for a saturday
[14:59] <rbelem> heya BluesKaj
[14:59] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  hey
[15:00] <rbelem> BluesKaj, currently i only have this time for kubuntu :-(
[15:00] <rbelem> BluesKaj, probably people a getting a little bit of fresh air :-D
[15:01] <BluesKaj> busy guy eh , rbelem ...not so here ...being retired etc
[15:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, spring is on it's way here , altho it's cloudy and dreary today
[15:03] <rbelem> BluesKaj, yeah... you know... job, 1yr baby boy, family, new house
[15:03] <rbelem> BluesKaj, r u retired already?
[15:04] <jussi> rbelem: I forgot you had a kid :)
[15:04] <rbelem> :-D
[15:04] <rbelem> jussi, you have two, right?
[15:04] <jussi> nope
[15:04] <jussi> just Elodi, 10 weeks old
[15:05] <rbelem> jussi, awesome! first son! that's great
[15:05] <jussi> rbelem: Elodi is a girl ;)
[15:05] <rbelem> jussi, i thought you had more, i dont know why o.O
[15:06] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  congrats jussi :)
[15:06] <rbelem> jussi, what is the female form of son?
[15:06] <rbelem> s/form/word/
[15:06] <kubotu> rbelem meant: "jussi, what is the female word of son?"
[15:06] <jussi> daughter
[15:07] <rbelem> :-)
[15:08] <rbelem> jussi, i want a baby girl also :-), but my wife says that she only wants one child :-(
[15:08] <jussi> aawww
[15:09] <rbelem> jussi, how is she going?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> rbelem, yes , i've been retired for a while ...linux became my hobby besides music and audio , after retirement
[15:09] <jussi> rbelem: just fine, sleeping right now
[15:11] <rbelem> BluesKaj, nice :-)
[15:11] <rbelem> BluesKaj, what have you been doing?
[15:12] <rbelem> jussi, girls usually sleeps better than boys
[15:12] <rbelem> jussi, mine didnt like very much to sleep
[15:13] <rbelem> jussi, my wife and me had a really bad sleep nights during the first six months
[15:14] <rbelem> BluesKaj, in the linux world :-)
[15:14] <jussi> rbelem: so you werent pulling a rodrigo much then ? :P
[15:14] <rbelem> jussi, that's totally true
[15:15] <jussi> I know the feeling
[15:15] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  learning and helping ppl with kubuntu mostly
[15:15] <rbelem> jussi, even today... i have to wake every @6am to take him to the baby school and then go to work
[15:18] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  baby school ? how old is he ?
[15:19] <rbelem> BluesKaj, 1yr and 3months old
[15:21] <jussi> BluesKaj: "daycare"
[15:21] <rbelem> i have to leave for a while
[15:22]  * rbelem was trying to backport kwin patch from master to 4.8.1
[15:37] <BluesKaj> jussi,  yeah we used to pay for in home daycare , but these were usually just other young mothers
[16:07] <Riddell> hi rbelem
[17:01] <shadeslayer> wendar: ping
[17:01] <shadeslayer> wendar: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537566 << Best to have a look at this :)
[17:01] <wendar> shadeslayer: hi
[17:01] <wendar> okay
[17:02] <shadeslayer> I can't figure out how to get root and CWM though
[17:02] <shadeslayer> one of the commands fails .. no idea how to proceed atm
[17:02] <wendar> I got root before
[17:03] <shadeslayer> oh, how?
[17:04] <wendar> http://androidroot.mobi/2011/11/14/introducing-razorclaw-v1/
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ah, I can't use that anymore ...
[17:05] <shadeslayer> doesn't work ...
[17:05] <wendar> it worked for me
[17:06] <wendar> on sbk2
[17:06] <wendar> where I hit a wall was finding any images that worked
[17:06] <wendar> (that wasn't even trying to run natively)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> yeah, the tool came out after the fix for that exploit was already pushed to my device -.-
[17:07] <wendar> ah, bummer
[17:07] <wendar> it can't be flashed back to factory standard?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Not that I know of
[17:07] <shadeslayer> lilstevie knows the SBKv2 key but he can't tell it to us
[17:07] <wendar> yeah, that's fair
[17:08] <wendar> we should bring him to the next UDS so he can unlock all our devices (without telling us what the sbk is) ;)
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[17:09] <shadeslayer> He also says that there's no need for the SBK
[17:09] <wendar> how so?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> No idea, I'll pastebin the discussion
[17:10] <wendar> that you can flash without it?
[17:10] <wendar> or that ASUS doesn't really need to use it? (i.e. it doesn't help them)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> wendar: http://paste.kde.org/445706/
[17:11] <shadeslayer> line 26
[17:12] <wendar> ah, okay
[17:12] <wendar> so, it's not really "native"
[17:12] <wendar> this is the loopback device method
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:13] <wendar> it's still running ubuntu as a "guest" on top of android
[17:13] <shadeslayer> damnit ASUS .. I hate you
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:13] <shadeslayer> actually wait
[17:13] <wendar> but then, really if I got it working that far I'd be pretty happy
[17:13] <shadeslayer> wendar: isn't it native?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> you're flashing the boot.img to the partition
[17:13] <wendar> well, "native" would be entirely wiping android and replacing it with ubuntu
[17:13] <shadeslayer> and then mounting a image as a loopback
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:14] <shadeslayer> that way
[17:14] <shadeslayer>  http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537566 < Is what you want then
[17:14] <wendar> yeah, so boot.img is just an extra file inside the ordinary android filesystem
[17:14] <wendar> and then you load that on the loopback device
[17:14] <shadeslayer> removes android from what I understand
[17:14] <wendar> yup, that's exactly what I've been looking for
[17:15] <wendar> thanks for the link :)
[17:15] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:15] <wendar> I away visiting my son this weekend, but will try it when I get back home
[17:15]  * shadeslayer goes back to figuring out how to get root
[17:15] <shadeslayer> have fun  :D
[17:15] <wendar> will let you know how far I get
[17:15] <shadeslayer> awesome
[17:15]  * wendar cackles gleefully :)
[17:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:37] <shadeslayer> rbelem: ping
[18:38] <rbelem> shadeslayer, pong
[18:38] <rbelem> Riddell, heya
[18:38] <shadeslayer> rbelem: does precise have all the latest plasma active packages?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> or did you hide stuff in other PPA's ? :P
[18:39] <rbelem> shadeslayer, :-D
[18:39]  * shadeslayer is very close to getting ubuntu on his transformer
[18:39] <rbelem> shadeslayer, everything is in the repos
[18:39] <shadeslayer> awesome
[18:40] <rbelem> shadeslayer, there are just a few adjustments that need to be done
[18:40] <shadeslayer> ok, I'll first have to get the rootfs updated ;)
[18:40] <rbelem> shadeslayer, :-)
[18:41]  * shadeslayer has to first make his own image for the transformer
[18:42] <rbelem> shadeslayer, will you use linaro tools or will you create it using chroot?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> not sure, I'm looking at this right now : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1476835
[18:43]  * shadeslayer is very excited
[18:44] <shadeslayer> finally mananged to get CWM on the transformer, just need to flash the appropriate bits now
[18:46] <Riddell> transformer?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> yus
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_Pad_Transformer
[18:49] <Riddell> ah, ARM laptop?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ARM tablet
[18:49] <shadeslayer> which has a dock ...
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can I get a EC2 for 30 minutes or so? My connection is stretched to the limit
[19:07] <shadeslayer> I need to make a Plasma Active image for my transformer
[19:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hi
[19:21] <shadeslayer> \o
[19:22] <Riddell> loading
[19:22] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[19:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:31] <shadeslayer> rbelem: plasma-active should pull in everything that is required right?
[19:32] <rbelem> shadeslayer, kubuntu-active should pull everything
[19:32] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[19:32] <shadeslayer> rbelem: E: Couldn't find these debs: kubuntu-active 0.o
[19:33] <shadeslayer> on ports.ubuntu.com
[19:33] <rbelem> Riddell, do we have active packages in ports.ubuntu.com?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-meta/1.6 << Looks like it
[19:36] <rbelem> o.O
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ah, maybe debootstrap is only checking main
[19:42] <shadeslayer> thar we go
[19:43] <Riddell> rbelem: sure
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> apol: I think I might have broken the QML installer with this commit, but I'm not sure why my changes would have broken it: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/2524feb991b59435b766a0a7c03ed56931333385
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't show apps anymore :(
[20:21] <apol> ugh xD
[20:21] <apol> JontheEchidna: ok, don't worry I'll look into it on monday
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[20:22]  * apol g2g
[20:22] <apol> enjoy the weeKend
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> you too
[20:38] <shadeslayer> omg
[20:39] <shadeslayer> atleast I'm in initramfs
[20:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:39] <shadeslayer> rbelem: Riddell ^
[20:55] <rbelem> Riddell, i finished to backport the mgraesslin kwin patch for kwin active
[20:55] <mgraesslin> rbelem: does it work?
[20:56] <Riddell> rbelem: what's it do?
[20:56]  * Riddell out
[20:56] <rbelem> mgraesslin, i did not tested yet
[20:56] <rbelem> Riddell, https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104299/diff/#index_header
[20:56] <rbelem> my current machine is too slow to build
[20:57] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have a faster machine :-D
[20:59] <rbelem> i think i will have to build on my machine :'(
[21:01] <rbelem> Riddell, mgraesslin, here is the patch http://paste.kde.org/445868/ backported from master to 4.8.1 :-)
[21:02] <mgraesslin> rbelem: remove those for fade and fadedesktop
[21:03] <rbelem> mgraesslin, taking a quick look. do you think it is ok?
[21:03] <rbelem> mgraesslin, oki :-)
[21:04] <mgraesslin> and I think you have to adjust the CMakeLists.txt inside tabbox
[21:07] <rbelem> mgraesslin, there is no CMakeLists.txt there
[21:08] <mgraesslin> well the files are installed from $somewhere
[21:08] <mgraesslin> I think it's in the main CMakeLists.tx
[21:08] <mgraesslin> t
[21:09] <rbelem> found it
[21:09] <Whiskey`Wonka> would this be the right place to ask about muon in 12.04 saying 'your package system is broken' and muon exiting, checking the error it says 'you are holding broken backages'
[21:10] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, ^ :-D
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> I think that's a bit more of a user support question, your apt is broken
[21:12] <yofel> can't muon be a bit more cooperative and suggest a way how to resolve that?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> that message comes from apt itself, and apt doesn't really have that functionality
[21:13]  * yofel was thinking of aptitude
[21:13] <yofel> but yeah, apt itself doesn't
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah, aptitude does a bunch of additional dependency handling that I think it would be a mistake to try to do
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> because then suddenly weird behaviors become your bug :P
[21:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> JontheEchidna: this is a 24hour old fresh install. only muon has been used. i would love to know how and what broke the package system
[21:14] <rbelem> mgraesslin, here is the tabbox part http://paste.kde.org/445886/
[21:14] <mgraesslin> rbelem: yeah looks ok
[21:15] <yofel> Whiskey`Wonka: check your apt history and logs
[21:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> yofel: what would i be looking for? there were no issues till now, trying to get network manager installed correctly
[21:16] <yofel> check the term.log in /var/log/apt/ for any errors (start at the bottom)
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> it should come installed correctly?
[21:17] <littlegirl> Hey there, the Kubuntu docs still need some love, so I'm going to continue working on them. Darkwing, do you prefer <trademark>Windows</trademark> or <trademark class="registered">Windows</trademark>?
[21:18] <littlegirl> Also, I notice that "file system" and "filesystem" are both used in various places in the documentation. Is there a preference for one over the other?
[21:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> yofel: mmm nothing at the very end, but greping the file for error does have a few, all 3 are -> Unable to open directory /usr/lib/gio/modules:
[21:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> google says its a known issue
[21:19] <yofel> Whiskey`Wonka: that doesn't say much without the context, and let's move to #kubuntu
[21:19] <yofel> or #ubuntu+1 rather
[21:20] <Whiskey`Wonka> yofel: im in +1
[21:21] <rbelem> mgraesslin, it built kwinactive and kwinactive_gles
[21:21] <rbelem> mgraesslin, is it expected?
[21:22] <rbelem> mgraesslin, hum... and it generated the kwin_gles.shell and kwin.shell
[21:23] <shadeslayer> rbelem: poke
[21:23]  * rbelem jumps
[21:23] <rbelem> shadeslayer, :-)
[21:23] <shadeslayer> rbelem: I want to create my own boot.img
[21:23] <shadeslayer> using abootimg
[21:23] <shadeslayer> do you have any experience in that field?
[21:24] <shadeslayer> since tegra is not a OMAP platform I can't just use the intrid from the OMAP platform
[21:25] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... i just generated from linaro tools
[21:25] <rbelem> shadeslayer, but will you use another kernel?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> another kernel? as in?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> the current one isn't booting
[21:26] <shadeslayer> I get dropped to initramfs
[21:26] <shadeslayer> because it can't find the necessary modules
[21:26] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... i see
[21:27] <rbelem> shadeslayer, do you have an idea of which modules are?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> nope
[21:28] <shadeslayer> I get a bunch of these errors :  FATAL error. could not load /lib/modules/2.6.36/4/modules.dep
[21:28] <rbelem> shadeslayer, do you have the kernel from the xda thread?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> nope
[21:29] <mgraesslin> rbelem: if you have both gl and gles it will of course build two binaries
[21:30] <rbelem> mgraesslin, nice :-)
[21:30] <mgraesslin> and I have no idea what "kwin.shell" is
[21:31] <rbelem> mgraesslin, this is the contents http://paste.kde.org/445898/
[21:33] <rbelem> yofel, heya :-D
[21:36] <yofel> rbelem: hey
[21:37] <rbelem> yofel, do you have time to take a look in that funky debian/rules?
[21:37] <rbelem> :-D
[21:37] <yofel> rbelem: did you try it out?
[21:37] <rbelem> yofel, not yet
[21:38] <rbelem> yofel, but i think it will not work as expected
[21:40] <yofel> I've never tried to build a package with 2 different patch sets yet, so I'm not quite sure how to do this either :/
[21:40] <rbelem> hum...
[21:41] <rbelem> i'm so stupid
[21:41] <rbelem> yofel, i think we can have only one patch set
[21:42] <yofel> I would say so
[21:42] <yofel> unless you figure out how to tell dh to patch, conf, build, inst, unpatch, patch, conf, build, inst the package
[21:43] <rbelem> yofel, to enable the changes that i need we just have to pass a build parameter
[21:43] <yofel> well that's doable
[21:43]  * rbelem kicks himself
[21:45] <rbelem> thanks yofel :-)
[21:46] <yofel> I don't think I helped much ^^
[22:26] <shadeslayer> OMFG
[22:26] <shadeslayer> I did it
[22:26] <shadeslayer> it's booting \o/
[22:27] <rbelem> yofel, hum... i just realized that there is one kubuntu active specific patch for kde-workspace
[22:27] <shadeslayer> rbelem: the problem was a bad intrid
[22:27] <shadeslayer> I just swapped it with a new one and voila
[22:27] <rbelem> shadeslayer, awesome :-D
[22:28] <rbelem> shadeslayer, is it running kubuntu active already?
[22:28] <shadeslayer> rbelem: the rootfs is resizing w
[22:28] <shadeslayer> will take a bit of time
[22:28] <shadeslayer> probably 25 minutes or so
[22:28] <shadeslayer> and then it'll boot into oneiric
[22:29] <shadeslayer> For precise I'll need to compile the kernel myself since we don't have kernels for nvidia tegra
[22:29] <shadeslayer> oh, I'll help wendar out a bit and give her the correct kernel blog
[22:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, why not? linaro dropped tegra support?
[22:29] <shadeslayer> afaik they only have OMAP4 devices no?
[22:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer, usually they compile stuff to work on all armv7 devices
[22:30] <shadeslayer> hmm ... will try it out tomorrow then
[22:31] <shadeslayer> it's 4 AM here
[22:31] <shadeslayer> just want to fall into bed and sleep
[22:31] <rbelem> shadeslayer, the problem would be kernel drivers
[22:32] <rbelem> shadeslayer, ouch
[22:32] <shadeslayer> hmmmm
[22:32] <shadeslayer> I do have the driver sources
[22:32] <shadeslayer> somewhere in this messy dir structure
[22:33] <rbelem> ehehehe
[22:33] <rbelem> :-)
[22:35] <shadeslayer> sigh
[22:35] <shadeslayer> still resizing
[22:36]  * shadeslayer writes documentation meanwhile
[22:36] <rbelem> shadeslayer, what is the sdcard speed?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> rbelem: it's on a eMMC
[22:43] <shadeslayer> wendar: Ubuntu on your transformer in 10 easy steps : http://paste.kde.org/445916/
[22:44] <wendar> sweet! can't wait to try it :)
[22:45] <shadeslayer> yep, I can't wait for the resizing to finish :P
[22:45] <shadeslayer> we also need to figure out how to get kernel support for the tegra 2 in the archives
[22:46] <shadeslayer> a couple of things that need to be fixed here and there, will work on that tomorrow
[22:48] <shadeslayer> and it's still resizing ... sigh ... how long will this take!!!
[22:54] <shadeslayer> hmm ... i see a x ...
[22:58] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[23:05] <shadeslayer> rbelem: do you know what binary needs to be executed to bring up a virtual keyboard in ubuntu?
[23:05] <shadeslayer> anything will do
[23:07] <shadeslayer> heh, nvm
[23:09] <rbelem> shadeslayer, you will need the pkg plasma-active-keyboardcontainer
[23:09] <shadeslayer> nope, wanted the ubuntu one
[23:09] <shadeslayer> it's called onboard
[23:10] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... never heard
[23:10] <shadeslayer> http://iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-1110s-default-virtual-keyboard-onboard-096-released-exciting-new-features
[23:11] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... nice
[23:12] <shadeslayer> :)
[23:35] <Riddell> rbelem: hi
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, heya :-)
[23:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ec2 machine can go?
[23:37] <rbelem> Riddell, can we move kde-window-manager-common qml, desktop, svg files to kde-window-manager-data?
[23:37] <rbelem> Riddell, then we will have kde-window-manager-common and kde-window-manager-active-common
[23:37] <rbelem> and kde-window-manager-data
[23:38] <Riddell> rbelem: -data to be used by both kwin and kwinactive?
[23:38] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[23:38] <Riddell> sure
[23:39] <rbelem> sweet
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, i will make the changes, then i will ping you
[23:41] <Riddell> rbelem: I'm probably going to bed soon so send an e-mail to kubuntu-devel list
[23:41] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have a fast machine that i could use to build stuff?
[23:41] <Riddell> rbelem: I can set up an ec2
[23:41] <rbelem> Riddell, how fast is an ec2?
[23:43] <Riddell> rbelem: how fast do you want?
[23:44] <Riddell> rbelem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:45] <rbelem> Riddell, that's good :-D
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, a xeon is much faster than my 3yrs old core2duo  :-D
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks
[23:48] <Riddell> rbelem: please shut down when you've finished  sudo poweroff -n -f
[23:48] <rbelem> Riddell, oki
[23:49]  * rbelem wants to hug Riddell so bad
[23:50] <rbelem> :-D
[23:50] <Riddell> lucky me :)
[23:50] <jalcine> lol


[21:43] <guntbert> !upgrade | GeekyAdam
[21:43] <evon> GeekyAdam: :-D
[21:43] <GeekyAdam> evon: ha
[21:43] <sjm> shadow, did you try putting it in quotation marks:  inotifywait -mrq --format %f --exclude "*.log"
[21:43] <GeekyAdam> guntbert: nice
[21:43] <guntbert> !google | evon
[21:43] <sjm> shadow98,, did you try putting it in quotation marks:  inotifywait -mrq --format %f --exclude "*.log"
[21:43] <Guest72455> Your IRC client is being checked for Trojans. Please dis-regard VERSION messages from AbjectSOB
[21:43] <Guest72455> * Ricevuto un CTCP VERSION da AbjectSOB
[21:43] <Guest72455> * Impossibile entrare in #overflow (Sei bannato).
[21:44] <evon> Ubottu is really strict ;-)
[21:45] <sjm> GeekyAdam, you could look to see if it's in backports rather than a complete upgrade
[21:46] <goltoof> is there any interface in 10.10  for adding myself to a windows domain?  there used to be in 10.04.... and why is it that this question seems to get absolutley no attention for 2 days now?
[21:47] <rocket16> Is it possible to add two Mp3s into one from terminal?
[21:47] <sjm> goltoof, you can't say "no attention", I did comment on it (though I couldn't help)  :)
[21:48] <Esigolo> Guys if I update my Kernel to the 2.6.36 it will stop my online update service?
[21:48] <goltoof> sjm,   actually didn't mean that last part, it was in the history
[21:48] <goltoof> sjm,  and thx anyway :)
[21:48] <evon> ikonia: yeah it's a geforce mx 440
[21:48] <sjm> goltoof, do you know the package that it was in in 10.04?
[21:49] <evon> ikonia: yeah it's a geforce 4 mx 440
[21:49] <goltoof> weird... this is a BIG problem
[21:49] <xt3mp0r> Is there a way i can set different wallpaper for different monitors in gnome ? (i have setted up dual monitor succesfully and using twinview from nvidia settings)
[21:49] <goltoof> sjm,  i suppose i can check..  iwas using likewise-open in 10.04
[21:49] <goltoof> sjm,   now i get an error when i try adding myself
[21:50] <goltoof> thru cli  i mean
[21:50] <ubuntu> Why isn't the Ubuntu kernel just rewritten in google's Go programming language that is C-like?
[21:50] <sjm> goltoof, knowing the package, might help track down what happened.
[21:51] <sjm> rocket16, what do you mean exactly?  just appending one file to another?
[21:52] <aglemin> I have a udp socket set with a ttl of 0.  when i invoke sendto, to send the udp packet to a mutlicast client on the same box, i am seeing tx-interrupts on the nic that the data would go out if the ttl were non 0.  Anyone have a clue as to why ?
[21:52] <aglemin> I have a udp socket set with a ttl of 0.  when i invoke sendto, to send the udp packet to a mutlicast client on the same box, i am seeing tx-interrupts on the nic that the data would go out if the ttl were non 0.  Anyone have a clue as to why ?
[21:52] <ZykoticK9> !info likewise-open-gui | goltoof
[21:53] <rocket16> sjm: I meant I want to merge two mp3s. I found the answer, that is, using mp3wrap. Still, thanks.
[21:53] <guntbert> aglemin: in my eyes that question is really off topic here - I don't see how it is ubuntu support related
[21:53] <moonfrog> ive noticed in maverick, the wipe command is really slow when wiping my internal ide (/dev/sda) but speed is fine with my external usb drives, this was not an issue under lucid
[21:53] <sjm> rocket16, it might work with just a:  cat file1.mp3 file2.mp3 > mergedfile.mp3
[21:54] <moonfrog> i was wondering how i might go about trying to figure out what is causing hte bottleneck
[21:54] <aglemin> oops, sorry though i was back in the networking channel....
[21:54] <aeon-ltd> moonfrog: encryption?
[21:54] <goltoof> ZyboticK9,  thx, i'll try... fyi i tried adding with likewise-open earlier today and kept getting an error..  then i tried samba, still no dice...  maybe i'll get an error again with likewise, maybe not
[21:54] <moonfrog> no encryption
[21:55] <aeon-ltd> moonfrog: bad sectors?
[21:55] <Firartix> uuuuuuum hey
[21:56] <goltoof> Zybotick,    Error: Lsass Error [code 0x00080047]
[21:56] <goltoof> 31 (0x1F) ERROR_GEN_FAILURE - Unknown error
[21:56] <jgraettinger> irc.corp.google.com
[21:56] <Firartix> i got some quite annoying problem... just happening to me right now, never did before.... my netbook finished charging it's battery... but when i unplug the power supply, the screen goes black. and replugging it makes it display again
[21:56] <goltoof> ZyboticK9,   what i get from cli,   i'll try gui now
[21:56] <x0rs_> whois monStr
[21:57] <waagbo> Hi. Has anyone successfully installed vmware server 2.0.2 on ubuntu 10.04 server? I've got problems with both the regular install and the raducotescu-vmware-server-linux-2.6.3x-kernel-d30493a script
[21:57] <Firartix> any idea about what might be causing that :( ? i'm not really fond of clicking on stuff blindly.
[21:57] <sjm> waagbo, you might get better answers in #ubuntu-server
[21:57] <moonfrog> where might i get issues with driver related issues
[21:58] <goltoof> ZyboticK9,   how do i get to the gui?
[21:58] <moonfrog> i have no clue why the wipe command would be slow wiping my internal drive, but fast when wiping my external
[21:58] <ry> waagbo, i did earlier this year
[21:58] <moonfrog> its fine in lucid, but maverick introducted the prob
[21:58] <fiorenzo> 7
[21:58] <goltoof> Firartix,    same problem here... good luck
[21:59] <sjm> moonfrog, was it a re-install or upgrade?
[21:59] <moonfrog> im running from cd
[21:59] <moonfrog> its slow on mav, fast on lucid
[21:59] <moonfrog> its slow wiping my internal, but fast wiping external
[22:00] <moonfrog> i have no idea how to figure out what the prob could be
[22:00] <Firartix> goltoof: found it
[22:00] <goltoof> sjn,   what you mean package?  the gui thing ?    for AD either you can use likewise-open or winbind/samba  but neither are working for me
[22:00] <Tweedle> does anyone else use the ATI-IXP chipset???
[22:00] <goltoof> Firartix,     tell me please!
[22:00] <moonfrog> ive already tracked down several other bugs with maverick, this is the last prob im trying to solve
[22:00] <moonfrog> then i will be done
[22:00] <Firartix> goltoof: from what i see here, it's the 'reduce backlight brightness' option in battery menu
[22:00] <adi11> hi all. anyone knows anything about how to fix the usplash and boot window on 10.10?
[22:01] <Firartix> goltoof: when it's enabled.... the screen goes 100% black
[22:01] <goltoof> sjn,   i think the gui thing used likewise but it's not there so yeah
[22:01] <Firartix> for some reason :(
[22:01] <goltoof> Firartix,    :/
[22:01] <adi11> i am havin terribly ugly out of resolution window on ubuntu 10.10
[22:01] <Firartix> so like, you should try unchecking it goltoof
[22:01] <adi11> is there anything i can do about it...?
[22:02] <sjm> goltoof, and likewise-open is installed on 10.10?
[22:02] <Tweedle> adill: try upgrading to ubuntu studio, it fix my video issues quite well
[22:02] <goltoof> Firartix,    i guess diff problem then... when i unplug it says the battery is "critically low"  when it's been charged, and as a power option it suspends when "critically low"
[22:03] <adi11> no thank my pc is very old and i need to more ram to install ubuntu studio
[22:03] <goltoof> Firartix,  so i got two problems... the os automatically thinking my battery is critically low, and getting it to not hibernate when it is critically low
[22:03] <goltoof> sjn,   yes
[22:04] <Tweedle> adill: mine is very old, but it runs much better after the upgrade. when i would change resolutions, it would just show garbage. it doesnt now
[22:04] <sambagirl> hi does ubuntu work with clear wifi service??
[22:05] <goltoof> sjn,   here is the bug and supposed solution for the error i get with likewise   http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613973
[22:05] <goltoof> sjn,   but the patch doesn't work
[22:05] <adi11> the problem i am having is that on boot it shows the ubuntu logo with the small dots just seconds after the full gnome is uploaded
[22:05] <sambagirl> is seveas working today?
[22:05] <banker247> anyone familiar with pavucontrol? i'm trying to figure out why my settings are not being saved upon reboot
[22:05] <sambagirl> hi does ubuntu work with clear wifi service??
[22:06] <adi11> and on shutdown the resolution is very high and its filled with outputs like in a terminal
[22:06] <adi11> it looks like a mess
[22:06] <goltoof> adi11,    same boat here :)
[22:06] <duffydack> adi11, happens on my plain ubuntu.
[22:07] <duffydack> just something and nothing
[22:07] <goltoof> adi11,     i'd like for it to show no output whatsoever and just a cool splashscreen
[22:07] <adi11> duffyduck  : what is the file that does that
[22:07] <sambagirl> is anyone here using ubuntu with clear or virgin wifi usb adapter?
[22:07] <adi11> do you know?
[22:07] <goltoof> no
[22:07] <Big_Potato> guys can someone check This     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1617667
[22:07] <duffydack> Lucid was fine, after I fixed the ugly boot splash from installing fglrx.  no terminal output at all, but its nothing to worry about anyway.
[22:07] <sjm> goltoof, does this help at all?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/likewise-open/+bug/561878/comments/3
[22:07] <adi11> i heard of something called plymouth
[22:08] <adi11> or something like that :)
[22:08] <duffydack> adi11, plymouth is pita for a few people...
[22:09] <adi11> :D
[22:09] <IdleOne> Big_Potato: try sudo apt-get -f install
[22:09] <goltoof> sjm,    nope..  requires a reboot (why?) so i got to drop out of the 50 things i got going.    thanks man!!
[22:09] <duffydack> much as pulseaudio was when they first dropped it on us.  ignore it, your pc wont burn up
[22:09] <shadow98> sjm, this worked '\.log$
[22:09] <matthieu> hi... I need to give an unpriviliged user the rights to change file ownership and create node files... any hint ?
[22:10] <Big_Potato> IdleOne    nothing, Unable to correct dependencies
[22:11] <IdleOne> Big_Potato: sudo update-manager -c
[22:12] <aclockworkgnome> Hi.  Is there anyone here who has experience with KVM Networking that wouldn't mind chatting for a few?
[22:13] <tcliam_> I am trying to make some changes to php.ini. I make the changes to the file but they aren't updating when I load it. When I run info() it says the file that I update was the loaded configuration file but the changes aren't working.... any ideas? I am using ubuntu 10.04
[22:13] <Big_Potato> Idleone:    Same broken packages
[22:13] <Big_Potato> is there a way to fix those packages ? Maybe with sinaptic ?
[22:14] <histo> matthieu: on a specific mount?
[22:14] <IdleOne> Big_Potato: not sure but I think yoy might end up having to do a clean install. The command apt-get -f install was hopefully going to fix those packages same as synaptic would.
[22:14] <IdleOne> you*
[22:15] <Jordan_U> pwnt: Any luck?
[22:16] <Big_Potato> What if my dpkg is broken somehow? how to fix that ?
[22:16] <IdleOne> Big_Potato: what does sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  give you?
[22:17] <Big_Potato> apt-get update was fine (with lucid sources)
[22:17] <Big_Potato> but apt-get upgrade: Reading state information... Done
[22:17] <Big_Potato> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[22:17] <Big_Potato> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:17] <Big_Potato>   gnome-power-manager: Depends: devicekit-power (>= 011) but it is not installable
[22:17] <Big_Potato>   indicator-session: Depends: devicekit-power but it is not installable
[22:17] <Big_Potato>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: usplash but it is not installed
[22:17] <FloodBot4> Big_Potato: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:18] <Big_Potato> upgrade : You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[22:18] <Big_Potato> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:18] <Big_Potato>   gnome-power-manager: Depends: devicekit-power (>= 011) but it is not installable
[22:18] <Big_Potato>  indicator-session: Depends: devicekit-power but it is not installable
[22:18] <Big_Potato>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: usplash but it is not installed
[22:18] <Big_Potato>   usplash-theme-ubuntu: Depends: usplash (>= 0.5.30) but it is not installed
[22:18] <IdleOne> Big_Potato: use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:18] <IdleOne> don't paste like that in the channel please
[22:20] <Big_Potato> http://paste.ubuntu.com/528948/
[22:20] <Sonja> how do i map smb://television/media1/ as a "network drive" in Ubuntu so i can refer to it within an application as if it were a local site?
[22:21] <drizzt_> Sonja, it mounts automatically to ~/.gvfs
[22:21] <velociostrich> anyone know how to use fsck (or some other utility) to check a drive? the drive in question is unformatted (it has no partitions). I tried using the SMART check with the GNOME Disk Utility (palimpsest) but it just hung towards the end and I would like to be sure of any problems the drive has
[22:22] <Sonja> woohoo thanks drizzt
[22:22] <IdleOne> Big_Potato: not sure what else to try. sorry
[22:23] <hudnix> Every time I reboot lately, I have to do ifdown -a; ifup -a before the network will come up. I have a very simple dhcp entry for one interface in /etc/network/interfaces. Any ideas?
[22:25] <kayros> hello all ...Anyone know a program to use voip
[22:25] <wng-> Can someone help me installing the 3w-sas module for kernel 2.6.32-25-generic, I've compiled the module and moved it into /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi, but when I try to boot into the kernel it's not loaded automatically
[22:26] <kayros> Anyone know a program to use voip ??
[22:26] <kayros> sip voip
[22:26] <IdleOne> !ekiga
[22:27] <jerzy1957> kayros. use twinkle
[22:27] <SaRy> Peace Y'all , anyone facing a wifi disconnecting randomly in maverick !
[22:36] <tesh> hi, i'm having a little trouble with my soundcard...when i try to run vlc through ssh, vlc fails to run with "cannot find card '0'".  i found however that if on the machine i locally run alsa-utils start 0, and then try to run vlc through ssh it works
[22:36] <Tweedle> what sound card?
[22:36] <tesh> can anyone help join the dots here and help me understand what's going on?
[22:36] <tesh> snd_hda_intel
[22:36] <Tweedle> i'll try
[22:36] <Tweedle> ahh
[22:36] <tesh> from what i've read, thats not a surprise??
[22:37] <tesh> seems to be an error-prone card
[22:37] <goltoof> sjm,   still get the same error message :(
[22:38] <tesh> tried to run alsa-conf, but its not on ubuntu right?
[22:38] <tesh> *alsaconf, even
[22:38] <Tweedle> tesh: look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[22:38] <tesh> Tweedle: thx
[22:39] <cjc2010> Is there an easy way to find and list duplicate folders pls?
[22:39] <cjc2010> or a hard way if need be!
[22:41] <imi> hi
[22:41] <imi> how can I disable nepomuk in ubuntu 10.04 ?
[22:42] <duckwars> is there anyway to set permissions on a file while I use scp?
[22:43] <yayo1> imi: If you don't mind me asking what do you use nepomuk for?
[22:44] <goltoof> sounds like a great way to leak personal info to a lot of people
[22:45] <imi> yayo1: as far as I know it's some indexing application... it just came along with one of my packages installed before... but I don't even know how to use its index... so I guess I don't even use it...
[22:46] <imi> I prefer to use grep
[22:46] <yayo1> imi:indexing?  You mean like mySQL?
[22:47] <banker247> yayo1 just google nepomuk and hit the first page
[22:47] <drizzt_> what is the standalone WebDAV client for ubuntu?
[22:47] <imi> yayo1: indexing in the terms of content-search
[22:47] <banker247> its just a development medium
[22:47] <imi> yayo1: I used to have nepomuk+virtuoso since ages.... however I installed mysql last week
[22:48] <banker247> anyone familiar with google voice?
[22:49] <Technoviking> is there anyway the maintence shell (ctrl-d), my box is not reconizing my root password
[22:50] <djMax> Confused - I've built wireless-testing to mess with some wifi drivers, but make install doesn't seem to replace the Ubuntu kernel.  Do I have to do something special?
[22:51] <night> guys i wana enjoy games
[22:51] <goltoof> has anyone else successfully configured 10.10 to join a windows domain?
[22:52] <anygivenname> how do I know status of an app ?
[22:52] <Tomcat_ha> can someone tell me what the maintenance shell does exactly?
[22:52] <goltoof> anygivenname,    top     ?
[22:52] <Tomcat_ha> because ubuntu booted into it
[22:52] <GeekyAdam> night: ?
[22:52] <Tomcat_ha> sayins something about mounting filesystems failure
[22:52] <night> i wana games
[22:52] <Sterist> how do you un-ban a peer in qbittorrent ?
[22:53] <anygivenname> goltoof: LogWatch
[22:53] <goltoof> sorry, has somebody else successfully configured 10.10 to join a windows domain?
[22:53] <GeekyAdam> night: id love to help you but i just my whole keyboard
[22:53] <dax2112rush1> djMax: grub need to know about that new image. Have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile for a method to build your image as a pkg
[22:53] <stefg> !games | night
[22:53] <mohadib> whats a good file system for lots of tiny files, i dont need journaling or anything?
[22:53] <afi> Hi, does anyone know how to run the aalib in mplayer? eg mplayer -vo aa *avi? The aalib does not show up when I run mplayer -vo help, what package is it in?
[22:54] <goltoof> !someone
[22:54] <stefg> mohadib: reiserfs used to be employed for that... but i think ext3 or ext4 is just fine
[22:54] <mohadib> ok, seeing as resier is mia for a while :s
[22:54] <anygivenname> goltoof: I have used clonezilla to move the old HDD to a new HDD on new PC.....want to make sure my apps & services I have set are running as set.....
[22:55] <Motann> hello
[22:55] <stefg> !hello
[22:56] <Motann> its rush here
[22:56] <Motann> any specific subject here?
[22:56] <stefg> !topic
[22:56] <Motann> yeaaa topic
[22:56] <Motann> :)
[22:57] <Sterist> how do you un-ban a peer in qbittorrent ?
[22:57] <night> ok i wanta animation on my desktop
[22:57] <gapi_> use compiz
[22:57] <Gastion> how to disable remote login?
[22:57] <Slix`> Is it easy to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[22:57] <mohadib> turn off ssh?
[22:58] <Gastion> how?
[22:58] <goltoof> Slix`,     easy,  but fresh reinstall is better
[22:58] <Gastion> how to turn off ssh?
[22:58] <histo> Slix`: yes its extremely easy
[22:58] <dax2112rush1> Slix: yes, you can use update-manager --dist-upgrade, worked fine for me
[22:58] <night> ssh what that
[22:58] <histo> !upgrade | Slix`
[22:58] <Slix`> Okay, great.
[22:59] <Slix`> Thanks.
[22:59] <vulcan_hacker> Slix`: I confirm, its easy... not like previous times...
[22:59] <stefg> Gastion: if you didn't install it it's not active
[22:59] <b0ngl0ad> anybody have luck getting the alfa AWUS036NH wifi adapter to work?
[22:59] <night> i need explanition about ssh
[22:59] <Gastion> it someone else installed it?
[22:59] <stefg> !ssh | Gastion
[22:59] <Gastion> how can i check?
[22:59] <Gastion> !ssh
[23:00] <anygivenname> how do I know status of LogWatch ?
[23:00] <stefg> Gastion: if you don't know, you've probably not installed it.... stop worrying :-)
[23:00] <gapi_> !compiz
[23:01] <night> ssh???
[23:01] <gapi_> !help
[23:02] <anygivenname> what command line is for getting status of an app or service ?
[23:02] <night> guys ssh what that?
[23:02] <goltoof> !ssh
[23:02] <stefg> anygivenname: ps or top
[23:02] <stefg> !ssh | night
[23:02] <drizzt_> what is the standalone WebDAV client for ubuntu?
[23:03] <anygivenname> stefg: LogWatch
[23:03] <eurisko> hi everyone i would like to get some advice
[23:03] <eurisko> i am starting to develop a application for a project
[23:03] <imi> reboot. bye ;)
[23:03] <stefg> anygivenname: wrong! LogWatch is for the past, ps or top are for the actual moment :)
[23:03] <goltoof> anygivenname,     is LogWatch a process that's running?    if so, then open a terminal and type "top"   this will show all running processes
[23:03] <eurisko> but i don't what i should use for it
[23:04] <goltoof> anygivenname,     you can also try ps -aux
[23:04] <aarcane> does 10.10 have an OEM install mode ?
[23:04] <eurisko> i need a 3d graphic system, how easy is opengl? is there alternatives?
[23:04] <eurisko> is opengl portable?
[23:04] <duckwars> is there some way to change the permissions on a file while scp'ing?
[23:04] <smw> aarcane, yes it does
[23:04] <MagusOTB> eurisko: if you want it to run in things that aren't windows, no. There's various abstraction layers for openGL though depending on what language you're using
[23:05] <vulcan_hacker> I tried running ubuntu-netboot on two different laptops, one with ati, one with nvidia cards... but both times the interface was hiding the icons... can anyone suggest a fix?
[23:05] <aarcane> eurisko, opengl is portable, it's fairly easy, and the only alternative on a linux system is something like SDL, which is an opengl abstraction layer (read: slower)
[23:05] <anygivenname> I have used clonezilla to move the old HDD to a new HDD on new PC.....want to make sure my apps & services I have set are running as set.....LogWatchdid not send me the daily mail today.....
[23:05] <eurisko> i mean portable, Linux-x86 Linux-arm
[23:05] <smw> aarcane, if you press f4 before booting the installer, you can specify oem mode
[23:06] <aarcane> thank you smw :)
[23:06] <eurisko> so sdl is higher level, opengl ?
[23:06] <vulcan_hacker> ubuntu-netbook*
[23:06] <MagusOTB> aarcane: SDL isn't an openGL abstraction layer, it is an abstraction layer for thigns like opening windows and events. You still use straignt openGL api calls from it, you just map windows and get mouse input and do the un-portable things through SDL
[23:06] <smw> aarcane, you can also install a package on an already installed system to put it in oem mode
[23:06] <goltoof> anygivenname,    ps -aux | grep "LogWatch"
[23:07] <goltoof> anygivenname,    oops
[23:07] <vulcan_hacker> I tried running ubuntu-netbook on two different laptops, one with ati, one with nvidia cards... but both times the interface was hiding the icons... can anyone suggest a fix?
[23:07] <aarcane> smw, what package is that?  I'm just planning on installing on one system and then being able to perform the initial setup on a different system later.
[23:07] <smw> aarcane, oem-config-gtk
[23:07] <anygivenname> goltoof: what is it ?
[23:08] <smw> aarcane, all oem mode does is install that package.
[23:08] <smw> aarcane, I do not believe it does much more.
[23:08] <stefg> !clone | smw
[23:08] <alteregoa> i am looking for a woman to install ubuntu
[23:08] <eurisko> okay just one more boring question i know to program quite well in C, but just for standart shell aplications, never done something with a GUI, if i want to have a GUI with opengl support what am i looking for?
[23:08] <smw> stefg, wrong person
[23:08] <KB1JWQ> alteregoa: ?
[23:08] <MagusOTB> eurisko: if you're only deploying to one OS, then using straight openGL/X11 libaraies is probably the way to go. If you want you rprogram to run on other OSs, you probably want to use SDL
[23:09] <alteregoa> i want to see how they install it
[23:09] <stefg> smw: yeah, sorry ... i meant  aarcane
[23:09] <dalaristmobile> My nic doesn't work in either a live cd or in my ubuntu installation, in my installation I can use 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' to get it working, not in the live cd.  I'm using a Realtek 8112L chipset.  Does Anyone know what might be wrong?
[23:09] <MagusOTB> eurisko: just make sure that whatever libraries you use work on all the architectures you're using
[23:09] <aarcane> alteregoa, same way all of us do.  one click at a time.
[23:09] <area51pilot> !automate
[23:09] <alteregoa> fascinating
[23:09] <goltoof> has somebody else successfully configured 10.10 to join a windows domain?
[23:10] <alteregoa> yes
[23:10] <alteregoa> just configure samba and type the doan
[23:10] <goltoof> somebody here.. in this room
[23:10] <area51pilot> goltoof: joins the domain fine
[23:10] <goltoof> through likewise-open though?
[23:10] <alteregoa> somebody is not on irc
[23:10] <area51pilot> SAMBA
[23:10] <histo> !troll | alteregoa
[23:11] <vulcan_hacker> guys!! anyone can explain why unity fails to show icons properly on some systems?
[23:11] <fcn> I have  a Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) which currently uses wl driver. I want use b43 driver instead. Does anyone have any idea how to remove wl driver?
[23:11] <goltoof> what's the diff between likewise-open method and samba method?
[23:11] <goltoof> they are two diff methods for joining windows domain, correct?
[23:12] <scarra3> whats the difference between fedora and ubuntu
[23:12] <MagusOTB> scarra3: A fedora is a stylish headpiece and ubuntu is an african word or something.
[23:12] <stefg> scarra3: rpm vs. apt :-)
[23:13] <MagusOTB> stefg: rpm vs dpkg, yum vs apt.
[23:13] <bradyxc> in the terminal is there something to use for "this folder" similar to '~' for "desktop folder"?
[23:13] <MagusOTB> if you want to get technical
[23:13] <MagusOTB> bradyxc: ~/Desktop/
[23:13] <scarra3> MagusOTB: Lol its more of I would rather use ubuntu 10.10 but for some reason my touchpad doesnt work but it works in fedora 14
[23:13] <stefg> MagusOTB:  ok, right
[23:13] <eurisko> MagusOTB sorry to bother but how can i check for example there is libgtk for arm?
[23:13] <scarra3> And I really don't want to use fedora
[23:13] <vulcan_hacker> guys!! anyone can explain why unity fails to show icons properly on some systems?
[23:14] <MagusOTB> eurisko: Check the project's website, they usually will say what archs it compiles on. I'm not sure, I have never developed for anything but x86, so I'm not really sure
[23:15] <lynx_> or for that matter, python-gtk
[23:15] <lynx_> or for that matter, python-gtk
[23:15] <lynx_> or for that matter, python-gtk
[23:15] <FloodBot4> lynx_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:15] <MagusOTB> bradyxc: wait, do you mean like a shortcut for
[23:15] <MagusOTB> the folder you're in?
[23:15] <bradyxc> yes
[23:15] <MagusOTB> bradyxc: that's .
[23:15] <bradyxc> alright thank you
[23:15] <glitchd> can someone please help me disable the touchpad while im typing?? this is driving me nuts
[23:16] <vulcan_hacker> I tried running ubuntu-netbook on two different laptops, one with ati, one with nvidia cards... but both times the interface was hiding the icons... can anyone suggest a fix?
[23:16] <glitchd> anybody even know how to do it?
[23:16] <stefg> !synaptics
[23:16] <eurisko> disable the touchpad?
[23:17] <DanaG> say, if I have a system with a failing hard drive, how can I get the thing to boot a livecd, instead of blocking on trying to enumerate the device?
[23:17] <glitchd> i dont want to have to manually disable it every time
[23:17] <goltoof> DanaG,    change bios to boot from usb
[23:17] <aarcane> DanaG, if it's sata, unplug the data cable until it's booted, then plug it back in to do data recovery.
[23:17] <eurisko> plug it after boot
[23:17] <goltoof> DanaG,    or cd, in your case
[23:17] <eurisko> it's hot swap
[23:18] <aarcane> DanaG, if it's old PATA, you need an external USB chassis.
[23:18] <xangua> glitchd: system>preferences>mouse¿
[23:18] <anygivenname> what is the command line to know the status of LogWatch?
[23:18] <aarcane> vulcan_hacker, if your display is too small, there is no fix.
[23:18] <DanaG> aarcane: I don't need the data, but I DO need to be able to read the SMART attributes.
[23:19] <aarcane> DanaG, then it depends on if it's sata or pata.  sata is hot swappable, so you can just plug it in once the livecd is booted.
[23:19] <glitchd> xangua, thats checked but it still moves and clicks the mouse while im typing
[23:19] <glitchd> theres something in xorg that i change or put it to make to work correctly
[23:19] <stefg> DanaG: might be a case for a specialized rescue distro light pmagic or sysrescd
[23:19] <vulcan_hacker> thanks for responding, i mean the icons are invisible (think display glitch)... the display size is 11" and 14" respectively...
[23:20] <anygivenname> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[23:20] <anygivenname> yassero   5068  0.0  0.0   3324   812 pts/0    S+   01:19   0:00 grep --color=auto LogWatch
[23:20] <anygivenname> yassero@yass
[23:20] <aarcane> vulcan_hacker, could be a bad download.  delete your existing iso, download it again, and create a new burnt CD or USB drive to try again.
[23:20] <anygivenname> does this mean it is running or not ?
[23:21] <vulcan_hacker> aarcane, i tried separate packages... one from iso, one from apt
[23:21] <stefg> anygivenname: that only say you grep'd for LogWatch
[23:22] <goltoof> anygivenname,     ps -aux |more
[23:22] <aarcane> vulcan_hacker, now you've lost me completely.  how are you using packages to install UNR on a netbook ?
[23:22] <goltoof> anygivenname,    will list all your processes,  if it's in there, then it's running
[23:22] <vulcan_hacker> aarcane, it seems like compiz problems i used to have 2 years ago... do you think unity is stable on most hardware?
[23:22] <stefg> anygivenname: try htop if you want a friendlier (console) interface
[23:22] <stefg> !info htop
[23:23] <xangua> vulcan_hacker: unity does not use compiz...still
[23:23] <drizzt_> what is the standalone WebDAV client for ubuntu??
[23:23] <Monotoko> where can I report a bug with the website?
[23:23] <xangua> vulcan_hacker: well unity is recently, you can always use the normal desktop
[23:23] <Monotoko> rather than Ubuntu itself
[23:23] <drizzt_> Monotoko, Launchpad itself
[23:23] <maco> Monotoko: i think its launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[23:24] <vulcan_hacker> aarcane, i installed ubuntu... then did apt-get install ubuntu-netbook... i know it does not use compiz
[23:24] <hiexpo> lots of launchpad sites
[23:24] <anygivenname> stefg: sudo service status works for others but not LogWatch
[23:25] <vulcan_hacker> aarcane, yes i know... i am using gnome now... but just was wondering if unity broken or my systems are odd
[23:25] <ZykoticK9> Monotoko, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content
[23:25] <aarcane> vulcan_hacker, why didn't you use the netbook installer ?
[23:26] <vulcan_hacker> aarcane, what is netbook installer? the ubuntu netbook iso? by the way... kubuntu netbook works fine on my systems
[23:27] <delac> can anyone tell me where I might found the original buttons for the Emeralds default theme "beryl red"? For some reason the close, maximize and minize buttons are all grey, but the theme screenshot shows that they should be colored.
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> goltoof, FYI it's "ps aux" if you look at the top of your "ps -aux" you will see an error about the "-"
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> goltoof, i used to use -aux all the time until someone pointed it out to me
[23:27] <goltoof> ZykoticK9,   noted
[23:27] <afi> Anyone know how to run the aalib in mplayer? eg mplayer -vo aa *avi.. The aalib does not show up when I run mplayer -vo help, what package is it in?
[23:28] <aarcane> yes vulcan_hacker, the netbook iso.
[23:28] <goltoof> ZykoticK9,   it's logical  to use  -     as it is in most things
[23:28] <Nat_> hello!
[23:28] <Nat_> can someone help me with wine and office ???
[23:28] <goltoof> !anyone | afi
[23:29] <afi> goltoof: the ps aux is an old written style, it's more of a nostalgic reason it's that sort.
[23:29] <goltoof> Nat_,      virtualize instead... or use open office
[23:29] <afi> goltoof: well, do you have a bad day? :-)
[23:29] <Nat_> goltoof, unfortunately i really need office for the university
[23:29] <goltoof> well.... still haven't solved my problem so, yeah  :(
[23:29] <vulcan_hacker> i tried that on the nvidia system... it says something like card driver could not start unity or something
[23:29] <ZykoticK9> afi, - verify that you have libaa1 installed "apt-cache policy libaa1" will show if it's installed or not.  my mplayer has aa as an output!?
[23:30] <aarcane> goltoof, ZykoticK9, ps -ef is also proper and provides enough information.
[23:30] <drizzt_> i need an ubuntu program to put wiles to webserver, any suggestions?
[23:30] <goltoof> Nat_,   virtualizing windows for that is better, unless you like solving unecessary problems
[23:30] <afi> ZykoticK9: libaa1 is installed unfortunately
[23:30] <smw> drizzt_, ftp?
[23:30] <smw> !ftp | drizzt_
[23:30] <Nat_> goltoof, i'd prefer to avoid windows
[23:31] <drizzt_> _WEB_ site, not FTP, by DAV
[23:31] <aarcane> drizzt_, scp is good, or rsync, or filezilla are all good.
[23:31] <ZykoticK9> afi, sorry don't know what ties it into mplayer then.  good luck.
[23:31] <goltoof> aarcane,    ps -ef   or ps ef   ? :)
[23:31] <afi> and I've searched with apt-file (and Google of course) to see if there's any mplayer+extra codec packages that are relevant
[23:31] <afi> ZykoticK9: thanks, are you running the latest ubuntu btw?
[23:31] <hiexpo> vulcan_hacker, probally better if you pastebin the full output if you want proper help knowone here is mind readers
[23:31] <ZykoticK9> afi, yes
[23:31] <smw> drizzt_, ok, webdav. Just navigate to the site with nautilus
[23:31] <aarcane> goltoof, ZykoticK9, yes, it is ps (dash)ef.  ps (without the dash)ef is different.
[23:32] <drizzt_> smw, i have no nautilus, i need standalone thing
[23:32] <smw> drizzt_, it comes with ubuntu...
[23:32] <Nat_> another thing, is it possible to installa kde on ubuntu ?
[23:32] <goltoof> aarcane,   what's the diff anyway?   root vs user?
[23:32] <smw> Nat_, yes
[23:32] <hiexpo> Nat_, yes
[23:32] <Nat_> how ?
[23:32] <stefg> !kde
[23:32] <aarcane> goltoof, not sure, I just always use ps -ef when I need to know all my processes.
[23:32] <hiexpo> just log in kde
[23:32] <goltoof> smw,   fyi, that last bug fix didn't work
[23:33] <afi> ZykoticK9: maybe it's a difference in the mplayer packages then. aalib maybe is compiled --with nowadays, I still run karmic.
[23:33] <smw> goltoof, what bug fix?
[23:33] <goltoof> smw,   the link you sent me, likewise-open bug
[23:33] <Nat_> doesn't work!
[23:33] <vulcan_hacker> hiexpo, aarcane, i understand... thanks for replying... i just wanted to find out if problems with unity is common... seems like its not... thanks anyway
[23:34] <smw> goltoof, are you sure I sent it? when?
[23:34] <aarcane> vulcan_hacker, sorry we couldn't be more helpful.
[23:34] <Nat_> smw, hiexpo doesn't work
[23:34] <deploy> If ifconfig lists an "inet6 addr" does that mean Im using ipv6? Trying to figure out why my ubuntu machin is slower than christmas.
[23:34] <goltoof> smw, yeah... idk, like an hour or so ago.... needed to reboot, yadi yada
[23:35] <smw> Nat_, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop did not work?
[23:35] <Nat_> no, didnt work
[23:35] <smw> Nat_, how could it have "not worked"
[23:35] <hiexpo> Nat_, i use gnome and flux but seen it in loggin but still useing 9.10
[23:35] <Man-machine> hi all. Hopefully not so dumb question: if I delete a mount point (where a Samba share is mounted), will its (remote) content got deleted?
[23:35] <Nat_> doesn't work
[23:36] <smw> Man-machine, yes
[23:36] <Nat_> the output is a list of dependence
[23:36] <Nat_> the output is a list of dependences
[23:36] <Nat_> not satisfied
[23:36] <pippox> hey is there an alternative to moonlight to view silverlight videos?
[23:36] <goltoof> !repeat | Nat_
[23:36] <smw> Nat_, pastebin it.
[23:36] <goltoof> !flood
[23:37] <delac> where can I find button themes for Emerald? Gnome-look doesn't seem to have dedicated section.
[23:37] <Nat_> i'm doing
[23:37] <mekos> Hi all: when I run programs from the command line I get all kinds of error messages - the programs do run though??
[23:37] <Nat_> http://pastebin.com/wf3KFQFf
[23:37] <histo> mekos: what kind of error messages?
[23:37] <xangua> yes it does dela, 'compiz'
[23:37] <smw> mekos, what error messages?
[23:38] <xangua> delac: *
[23:38] <hd1> is natty narwhal available for early adopters yet?
[23:38] <hiexpo> delac, compiz
[23:38] <aeon-ltd> mekos: problem.......? some bugs are minor and don't affect stability much anyway
[23:38] <stefg> !natty
[23:38] <Man-machine> smw: thanks
[23:38] <mekos> (firefox-bin:2381): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load type module: (null)
[23:38] <mekos> here's just one
[23:38] <goltoof> can someone please clarify the difference between samba and likewise-open ?   they both are practically the same thing?  is one better than another?
[23:38] <hiexpo> !better
[23:39] <smw> Man-machine, you can unmount a mount-point with umount
[23:39] <Nat_> smw, http://pastebin.com/wf3KFQFf
[23:39] <delac> hiexpo: thanks
[23:39] <hiexpo> yup
[23:39] <smw> Nat_, thanks
[23:39] <goltoof> hiexpo,   are they both the same though?
[23:39] <DanaG> likewise-open sounds like a domain controller to me.
[23:39] <smw> Nat_, I can not read this language :-\
[23:40] <Sonja> is there a list of common linux apps sorted by popularity?
[23:40] <lynx> Anyone here?
[23:40] <Nat_> smw, i know
[23:40] <Sonja> "popularity" is sometimes one way to answer the "best" question
[23:40] <lynx> How do I use gameconqueror.py
[23:40] <Nat_> ahahahahah
[23:40] <lynx> without getting the requires error message
[23:40] <histo> Sonja: in the software center I believe you can show apps by ranking
[23:40] <Nat_> just say: it's not going to be installed
[23:40] <vulcan_hacker> mekos, you run firefox from the command line... these errors are from there... it should not show up in a new commandline tab or window
[23:40] <Sonja> could that be added to the !best answer ?
[23:40] <mekos>  Here's another error I get: (firefox-bin:2381): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance
[23:40] <goltoof> wow it would be SO nice to get an answer.... been at this all day
[23:41] <smw> Nat_, I am not sure why :-\
[23:41] <Guest24105> Hey, I'm trying to run gameconqueror and scanmem, and it says File "/usr/local/share/gameconqueror/GameConqueror.py", line 114, in __init__ self.builder.add_from_file("/usr/local/share/gameconqueror/GameConqueror.xml")
[23:41] <Guest24105> gobject.GError: Unhandled tag: 'requires'
[23:41] <xangua> !patience | goltoof
[23:41] <hiexpo> lynx have you installed it
[23:41] <Guest24105> yes,. I have
[23:41] <rallias> how do I take a specific file from a tarball (say file.tar.gz/libwhat.so.1.4) and output it to the screen?
[23:41] <smw> Nat_, are you able to have it print in english? :-\
[23:41] <Guest24105> I also tried installing gameconqueror-1.2.tar.gz from sourceforge, but that created some sort of executable that opened scanmem, it didn't open the frontend
[23:41] <goltoof> xangua..... i've been working on this for two days....  if you know me you should know i'm not the least patient either
[23:41] <smw> anyone know how to make the terminal switch to english? some env var perhaps?
[23:41] <vulcan_hacker> mekos, its normal ... if i understood you case alrigt...
[23:42] <Guest24105> really, the makefile didn't work so I had to copy each individual file to the appropriate directories
[23:42] <rallias> smw: my best guess is LANG = EN-US
[23:42] <lynx_-> really, the makefile didn't work so I had to copy each individual file to the appropriate directories
[23:42] <lynx_-> without getting the requires error message
[23:42] <lynx_-> How do I use gameconqueror.py
[23:42] <mekos> vulcan_hacker: ok, - thanks
[23:43] <mekos> vulcan_hacker: the program do run ok - just wondering about the messages...
[23:43] <hiexpo> lynx_-, please don't flood our channel
[23:43] <lynx_-> I'm not
[23:43] <hiexpo> lynx_-, have you installed the pythom scipt ?
[23:43] <lynx_-> try
[23:44] <lynx_-> yes, I have hiexpo
[23:44] <smw> Nat_, LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:44] <lynx_-> It says (typing /exec -o here...)
[23:44] <lynx_-> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:44] <lynx_->   File "/usr/local/share/gameconqueror/GameConqueror.py", line 919, in <module>
[23:44] <lynx_->     GameConqueror().main()
[23:44] <lynx_->   File "/usr/local/share/gameconqueror/GameConqueror.py", line 114, in __init__
[23:44] <lynx_->     self.builder.add_from_file("/usr/local/share/gameconqueror/GameConqueror.xml")
[23:44] <FloodBot4> lynx_-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:44] <ZykoticK9> afi, just to let you know - aa output from mplayer is working in my X session, but isn't displaying correctly (even for ascii) in my virtual terminals (alt-f1tof6 type)
[23:44] <smw> Nat_, sorry, I need to go :-\
[23:44] <GatorAlli> Yo, I have a .jar file (program). To run it, I have to type "java -jar images.jar" in the terminal. How can
[23:44] <vulcan_hacker> mekos, yes... say like you run gedit from commandline... then when u keep using the commandline session... u will keep getting errors from gedit on that commandline... its normal... glad i could help
[23:44] <hiexpo> ./gameconqueror.py
[23:44] <lynx--_> ok
[23:44] <WACOMalt> Hiyo folks. Is this a good place to ask about some issues I am having with my midi keyboard in ubuntu studio?
[23:44] <Nat_> smw, thanks
[23:44] <smw> Nat_, maybe someone else can help
[23:45] <lynx--_> anyway, the website of the program is http://code.google.com/p/scanmem/
[23:45] <smw> that command should work
[23:45] <GatorAlli> Yo, I have a .jar file (program). To run it, I have to type "java -jar images.jar" in the terminal. How can I make it an executable where I can run it like "./images"?
[23:45] <lynx--_> instead of opening a GUI GTK frontend, it simply gives me that requires error message
[23:45] <lynx--_> now the scanmem I downloaded has a gui directory, with the python scripts
[23:45] <romann> hey friends, just out of curiosity what is the general consensus on the best linux media player?
[23:45] <l_r> romann, vlc
[23:45] <WACOMalt> hehe concensus
[23:46] <prtylghts> amarok is pretty great :)
[23:46] <romann> as far as library management goes :)
[23:46] <WACOMalt> banshee for library imo
[23:46] <romann> vlc hands down for video, but library management iswhat i'm after
[23:46] <lynx--_> it comes with two files: Makefile.in and Makefile.am... I tried typing make -f Makefile.in/am with both makefiles and it didn't work
[23:46] <RobotCow> GatorAlli, create a script that runs java -jar images and put it in ~/bin
[23:46] <lynx--_> What do I do with these files Makefile.in and Makefile.am
[23:46] <tesh> hi, i've been trying to get my soundcard to work, but no joy yet - had a look through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto but no joy yet
[23:46] <RobotCow> ~/bin automatically gets added to the PATH if it exists says .bash_profile
[23:47] <lynx--_> I need help
[23:47] <hiexpo> GatorAlli, the best thing to do is use Google on that how do i install etc and read directions it will usually tell you to edit the file to make a startup script
[23:47] <lynx--_> when I type make install in the parent directory, it doesn't install
[23:47] <RobotCow> necistas ayudar
[23:47] <GatorAlli> hmm
[23:47] <lynx--_> what do I do?  How do I make it work?
[23:47] <lynx--_> I also tried installing a .deb package with gameconqueror and it gave me the same error message
[23:47] <lynx--_> so it's not like I"m not copying it to the appropriate directories
[23:47] <RobotCow> GatorAlli, make sense?
[23:47] <GatorAlli> They say in Linux, you can make anything an executable
[23:47] <vulcan_hacker> romann, miro is somewhat cool... but boxee is the best for movie tv music collection
[23:48] <RetroGamer> Hi guys...my apt gets stuck at "waiting for headers"
[23:48] <hiexpo> lynx--_, what are you trying to do
[23:48] <vulcan_hacker> romann, boxee.tv
[23:48] <lynx--_> I'm trying to run a frontend python GTK script for scanmem
[23:48] <_jesse_> lynx--_: you should read teh readme for that
[23:48] <lynx--_> I read the README
[23:48] <_jesse_> lynx--_: does it say to type make and make install?
[23:48] <romann> vulcan_hacker: thanks, I'll give that one a go
[23:48] <lynx--_> yes
[23:48] <_jesse_> also Makefile.am requires some other program too I think
[23:48] <tesh> sudo aplay -l ... shows a soundcard, but  aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav fails with 'cannot find card '0'
[23:49] <hiexpo> lynx--_, what kinda file is it a tarball or what ?
[23:49] <RetroGamer> Not sure why....I can ping google from the terminal
[23:49] <lynx--_> yes
[23:49] <_jesse_> lynx--_: yeah it needs automake
[23:49] <RetroGamer> it just crashes
[23:49] <_jesse_> lynx--_: try `automake && make && make install`
[23:49] <lynx--_> wait... I figured out what I was doing wrong...
[23:49] <RobotCow> GatorAlli, echo 'java -jar images.jar' > images && chmod u+x images. then type ./images assuming its in the same directory as the jar, otherwise you are going to have to put in that file the full path to the jar and you may as well create ~/bin and put it in there so you can call images from any directory if you go that route.
[23:49] <hiexpo> sudo makecheck
[23:49] <lynx--_> ok
[23:49] <lynx--_> I typed ./configure --enable-gui && make, then make install as root
[23:50] <lynx--_> it still gives me the same error message
[23:50] <RobotCow> hiexpo, you never call make with sudo!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:50] <vulcan_hacker> romann, boxee is a modification of XBMC... you can try that too... boxee needs very little configuration... XBMC needs bit more
[23:50] <RobotCow> and if the Makefile defines a check, then its 'make check'
[23:50] <hiexpo> RobotCow, with make install you do
[23:51] <RobotCow> hiexpo, yes, but not make or make check
[23:51] <hiexpo> with make check you do also
[23:51] <RobotCow> fakeroot make install
[23:51] <dalaristmobile> So I have a Realtek NIC that doesn't work on boot, or in a live cd, but if I run /etc/init.d/networking restart it works but only negotiates a 10mbps connection.  Anyone have any ideas of where I should head to get this fixed?
[23:51] <rww> umm. make works fine with sudo. It's just not required.
[23:51] <RetroGamer> no-one can help me with apt?! :S
[23:52] <lynx--_> it still gives me that error message
[23:52] <RobotCow> hiexpo, nonsense. I can compile and make install software on a computer to my /home that i dont have sudo to.
[23:52] <hiexpo> lynx--_, what error
[23:53] <lynx--_> hiexpo: gobject.GError: Unhandled tag: 'requires'
[23:53] <RobotCow> lynx--_, google it to find out what -dev package you are missing
[23:53] <anygivenname> how do I install .tar.gz ?
[23:53] <lynx--_>  normally, i9t would be pygtk, or gnome-python, but I have the latest versions of those installed
[23:53] <RobotCow> anygivenname, look at the README contained in the archive
[23:53] <hiexpo> lynx--_, where you get the file so i can look at it /
[23:53] <lynx--_> .... I suppose I Could use a backend version of python-gtk, the newest version, but I don't think that is going to help
[23:53] <xangua> !compile | anygivenname
[23:54] <lynx--_> http://code.google.com/p/scanmem/
[23:54] <lynx--_> that's where I got it, it comes with scanmem-0.11.tar.gz in the gui directory
[23:54] <VirusTB> anygivenname: tar -zxvf nameof.tar.gz
[23:54] <paddy_> when i use time with -a I get -a option not found, what is wrong?
[23:54] <lynx--_> this is a modified version of scanmem... I don't think scanmem itself is modified, but it comes with the gameconqueror GTK front end
[23:54] <alyas404> II need some linux help...I'm a total linux noob. have done a
[23:54] <alyas404> dual boot install of ubuntu. trying to get my USB internet
[23:54] <alyas404> dongle working. have found some good instructions on a forum
[23:54] <alyas404> with lots of 'it worked' replies. involves installing
[23:54] <alyas404> networkmanager. when I do ./configure it says 'intltools is too
[23:54] <FloodBot4> alyas404: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:54] <alyas404> old' I've downloaded intltools but am too tared to install. from
[23:54] <tripps> anyone know command line tools to view mac resource forks stored using ads?
[23:55] <hiexpo> i am glad to see your the only one in history don't meed root for make install
[23:55] <alyas404> sorry for the flood
[23:55] <paddy_> alyas404, all irc clients wrap themselves
[23:56] <lynx--_> rubbity dub dab black azz
[23:56] <RobotCow> hiexpo, when i call configure --prefix ~/somedir_in_my_home, then i dont need root and this is not news except to noobs with linux. otherwise ill use root.
[23:56] <lynx--_> that's where I got it, it comes with scanmem-0.11.tar.gz in the gui directory
[23:56] <lynx--_> .... I suppose I Could use a backend version of python-gtk, the newest version, but I don't think that is going to help
[23:56] <fcn> I blacklisted ssb but it still gets loaded!
[23:56] <WACOMalt> Halp. Ubuntu Studio, and my Alsa tab disappeared from Jack connections. I cant see my midi keyboard!
[23:56] <lynx--_> I also tried two ubuntu packages, one scanmem and one gameconqueror_0.12-1~svn20100926-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[23:56] <RetroGamer> hi guys...hoping you can help, apt isn't working for me...it keeps getting stuck at "waiting for headers" no matter what I try (apt-get update was the last attempt) yet the repo in my sources.list is pinging fine
[23:56] <lynx--_> it still didn't work
[23:57]  * RetroGamer sighs
[23:57] <opengeard> anyone using systemd by chance?
[23:57] <hiexpo> true so showeveryonehow not to use root and wreck kool
[23:58] <xrdodrx> !anyone | opengeard
[23:58] <dalaristmobile> So I have a Realtek NIC that doesn't work on boot, or in a live cd, but if I run /etc/init.d/networking restart it works but only negotiates a 10mbps connection.  Anyone have any ideas of where I should head to get this fixed?
[23:58] <anygivenname> VirusTB: tar -zxvf nameof.tar.gz  only listed the files in it
[23:59] <hiexpo> lynx--_, where ya get the file so i can look at it where you dl it from and file name
[23:59] <Scunizi> Using the file manager I've connected to a network share using smb://<IPAddress> and can see and manipulate it.  Now if I'm in the file system where will I find that mount? It's not in /media and not listed in fstab/mtab..
[23:59] <LoRd_UnDeRwOrLd> hi, i created a passport account for msn and open it through pidgin, added a few of contacts but they told me they didn't receive any adding-request... anyone? any help? i run 10.04


[00:16] <belkinsa> Is the ReCo leader for the Butler county still active?
[00:44] <canthus13> there's a reloco for butler county?
[00:44] <belkinsa> Based on the wiki page, yes.
[00:45] <canthus13> huh.
[00:45] <canthus13> I'm the reloco lead for Toledo... but there's no reloco here. :P
[00:46] <belkinsa> I think the idea might be dead.
[00:46] <canthus13> yeah... kinda.
[00:46] <belkinsa> (I think the wiki pages need to updated)
[00:51] <Unit193> Delete all the things!
[00:56] <Unit193> Hrm, TheErk may be alive somewhere.
[01:28] <skellat> As I have noted separately via e-mail, there will be no keysigning effort on Saturday.  Sometimes you just run out of hours in the day to pull things together.
[01:29] <skellat> UbuCon went well and I hope to see everybody who can show up tomorrow at the Ubuntu Ohio table.
[01:30] <Unit193> Hope anyone that does make it has fun.
[01:49] <belkinsa> Yes.  I send my wishes too.
[10:54] <dzho> I was wondering into and out of the ubucon room yesterday.
[10:55] <dzho> was torn between the ceph+openstack talk and jorge's but ended up staying in his because, well, entertaining
[10:55] <dzho> anyway, I'm going to be sporting the RUN GCC shirt so, if you see it, say "hi"
[12:00] <skellat> For those in the area of OLF today...keeping a WiFi connection is a bit perilous to say the least.  I'll not be able to stay on IRC but you'll be able to find me in the exhibition area.
[12:54] <belkinsa> Does anyone know if the team "Ubuntu Brainstorm" is active?
[12:58] <belkinsa> Never mind, got my answer
[13:58] <drkokandy> Jono Bacon talk starting in 3 minutes. anyone in IRC-land want me to try to post what he talks about
[13:58] <drkokandy> ?
[13:59] <belkinsa> Sure.
[14:00] <drkokandy> About to get started
[14:01] <drkokandy> Introducing himself, background on what he does at Canonical
[14:01] <drkokandy> Jorge Castro is also here and will give a talk on Juju later today
[14:02] <drkokandy> Book on The Art of Community available as an ebook from O'Reilly
[14:02] <drkokandy> Unlike last time, there will be no nudity in the presentation
[14:02] <belkinsa> He did?  Lol.
[14:03] <drkokandy> Frequently we hear "This is the year of the Linux desktop"
[14:03] <drkokandy> Apparently last time he had someone moon the audience
[14:03] <belkinsa> Oh.
[14:03] <belkinsa> Will these talks be online?
[14:03] <drkokandy> they're being recorded, but the last ones I've seen posted online are from circa 2008
[14:04] <belkinsa> Okay, thank you.
[14:04] <drkokandy> "Year of the Linux Desktop" is about getting over the hurdle of adoption
[14:04] <drkokandy> Moving to a convergent future with Ubuntu - TV, Computer, Tablet, Phone, Server
[14:05] <drkokandy> talking about building Ubuntu for "beige box" computers - foundations of building something really good was there even if Ubuntu was "crap" in those days (retrospectively)
[14:06] <drkokandy> Back then, Canonical was building toward the server, but as an afterthought
[14:07] <drkokandy> Today we will be talking mostly about client-side
[14:08] <drkokandy> As community grew, with UDS every 6 months. products started changing. Had more identity to it - recognizeably Ubuntu
[14:10] <drkokandy> Around the time of the brown-themed Ubuntu, their goal was to become the choice of the Linux enthusiast. Problem was the chasm of gap from being a choice for Early Adopters to get the "Early Majority " to use Ubuntu - people like Jono's mom, etc
[14:11] <drkokandy> For Jono, freedom means nothing if people can't USE the software - real free software should be accessible to everyone, even non-tech-savvy people. That's when technology REALLy enables people
[14:11] <drkokandy> To do this, Jono's team needed to challenge themselves
[14:11] <drkokandy> Design, marketing, sales - all these pieces needed to come together
[14:12] <drkokandy> Around this time, thought changed from "the Ubuntu project" to thinking about it as "the Ubuntu PRODUCT" - simplifying, etc
[14:12] <drkokandy> building something for general purpose use
[14:13] <drkokandy> The Ubuntu philosophy drives the way forward
[14:14] <drkokandy> Referencing this - http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
[14:14] <jenni> [ Our Philosophy | About Ubuntu | Ubuntu ] - https://j.mp/165IoU1
[14:14] <drkokandy> at UDS in Orlando, going over one design on all platforms.
[14:15] <drkokandy> Not just on the desktop
[14:15] <drkokandy> First platform shown off was TV in Las Vegas in CES
[14:15] <drkokandy> demonstrating how the TV still looked like Ubuntu - similar design principles, launcher, colors, etc
[14:16] <drkokandy> 2nd, Ubuntu for Android - Dock an Android phone, boot full Ubuntu desktop
[14:17] <drkokandy> The entire Debian archive will run on an ARM chip through Ubuntu for Android? (this is news to me)
[14:17] <drkokandy> Ubuntu phone was the last platform announced - incredible amounts of interest in Ubuntu Phone
[14:17] <drkokandy> Offering to show off his phone later
[14:18] <drkokandy> David & Goliath picture - how will you go up against Apple and Android? But just a few years before it had been "How will Apple go up against Blackberry and Nokia?"
[14:18] <drkokandy> Ubuntu community much more open than Android community - can take months & months to get a patch into Android
[14:19] <drkokandy> Finally, announced the tablet
[14:19] <drkokandy> Not JUST that they have different UIs, but also that it's the same code framework - same packaging, same base code, same app groups etc
[14:20] <drkokandy> Connected through Ubuntu One storage to sync from cloud to phone to computer and TV, etc
[14:20] <drkokandy> Video of the Ubuntu phone
[14:21] <drkokandy> I think I've seen this video before - don't think it's new
[14:21] <drkokandy> 95% of what was demoed in the video is already ready. Works now
[14:22] <drkokandy> Going over phone features
[14:22] <drkokandy> Attractive & personal first glance
[14:22] <drkokandy> No buttons needed - using the edges to swipe in
[14:22] <drkokandy> this is good for manufacturers who want a low bill of materials, because buttons cost money
[14:23] <drkokandy> Going over all swiping options - too quickly to type
[14:23] <belkinsa> That's going to be hard to get used to, swiping on the sides not any bottons.
[14:23] <belkinsa> buttons*
[14:23] <drkokandy> yeah
[14:24] <drkokandy> seems like it wouldn't take too long to get used to - the side that you swipe in from is significant
[14:24] <belkinsa> Though the new version of Android has it.
[14:24] <drkokandy> true
[14:25] <drkokandy> this goes over most of the swipe options - http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/design - although he had a handy infographic I wish I'd taken a snapshot of
[14:25] <jenni> [ Design and user experience | Ubuntu for phones | Ubuntu ] - https://j.mp/14PuSsp
[14:25] <drkokandy> Daily images - can flash the image on a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4 device
[14:26] <drkokandy> Not everything is working - but get all the updates
[14:26] <drkokandy> Over-the-Air
[14:26] <belkinsa> That's good.
[14:26] <drkokandy> set up a forum on XDA Developers, and had 1500 posts within 2 days
[14:26] <drkokandy> (for Ubuntu touch)
[14:27] <belkinsa> I saw that part of the forum...I had to get a new custom ROM for mine.
[14:27] <drkokandy> Building tools to set up an appropriate file system and "fart around" with all the other things necessary to flash the image to a Galaxy S3 or etc
[14:27] <drkokandy> wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[14:28] <drkokandy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices shows what is compatible
[14:28] <jenni> [ Touch/Devices - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/165LaZh
[14:28] <drkokandy> there's a lot more there than I had expected
[14:29] <drkokandy> Working on all the stages to get from Idea to Release: Tools, Knowledge, Support, Packaging, and Publishing
[14:29] <drkokandy> Tools - what do I write my app in? Several toolkits available for app developers
[14:30] <drkokandy> Where do I go for knowledge? Go to GTK knowledge base, for example
[14:30] <drkokandy> Where do I go for support? Ask Ubuntu is mostly users
[14:30] <drkokandy> How do I package my app for Ubuntu Touch? Need to be a Debian developer, and can only develop every 6 months
[14:30] <drkokandy> How do I publish? Ubuntu Software Center has fixed this
[14:31] <drkokandy> But they're doing a lot to improve what sucks about every set of these
[14:31] <drkokandy> building an SDK - http://developer.ubuntu.com
[14:31] <jenni> [ Ubuntu App Developer ] - https://j.mp/14PvRc5
[14:32] <drkokandy> can use Qt/QML, HTML5, OpenGL, Online Services (add code to a website to integrate it into the phone), Scopes (where the Ubuntu Dash searches)
[14:32] <drkokandy> Smart Scopes service will ship with 13.10 or 14.04 (I missed which he said)
[14:34] <drkokandy> Redeveloping http://developer.ubuntu.com with tutorials, guides, API documentation, support channels, cookbooks, and easy publishing (that doesn't require Debian packaging and weeks of review for every application)
[14:34] <jenni> [ Ubuntu App Developer ] - https://j.mp/14PvRc5
[14:35] <drkokandy> built full app confinement using a new package type called Click - essentially a zip file. Click a button in SDK, declare needed permissions, and that gets reviewed in about 10 mins
[14:36] <drkokandy> can't do apt-get update / upgrade on a phone - takes too long. Click packages on the server just appear. Operating system level things will still use apt, but apps will not need that
[14:36] <drkokandy> Sounds handy
[14:36] <drkokandy> "Core apps" project included the community
[14:36] <belkinsa> It does
[14:37] <drkokandy> 1500 people filled out the form to help out with Core Apps (admittedly, most had more enthusiasm than experience)
[14:37] <drkokandy> still recruited 300 to assist with building core apps
[14:37] <belkinsa> Wow.
[14:38] <drkokandy> took care of the project management for them, so these 300 volunteer developers could focus only on writing code
[14:38] <belkinsa> Jono did?  That's a good move.
[14:38] <drkokandy> Jono and his team, yeah
[14:39] <drkokandy> All the apps are already done and on the phone, despite the fact that the SDK (still in beta) was not available yet
[14:39] <drkokandy> *All the core apps identified by the team
[14:41] <drkokandy> This team has a different community dynamic, free of Weyland vs Mir and Chromium vs Firefox - they don't care about that necessarily
[14:41] <drkokandy> Ubuntu app showdown is going well - reaching critical mass, getting added to the store
[14:41] <drkokandy> Ubuntu Phone will be Ready 10 Oct, 2013
[14:41] <drkokandy> (this may be news. not sure)
[14:41] <belkinsa> Sounds like news.
[14:41] <drkokandy> Oh, sorry
[14:41] <drkokandy> October 2013
[14:42] <belkinsa> But didn't the kickstarter fail?
[14:42] <drkokandy> the 10 was 1.0
[14:42] <belkinsa> Or was that for a complete Ubuntu phone without a second system?
[14:43] <drkokandy> This is for the Ubuntu Touch system, which would be complete. He said earlier that it's 95% functional, but it will be 100% functional by Oct and released as a 1.0 version
[14:43] <drkokandy> he said about 5 weeks, so maybe more like late October
[14:43] <drkokandy> Question time
[14:43] <drkokandy> Of course the first question was about Edge.
[14:44] <belkinsa> Oh, right the Egde was that kickstarter project.
[14:44] <drkokandy> Yes
[14:44] <drkokandy> Since they didn't raise all the money, the Edge won't be built. But, they still got a lot of publicity (Jono says about $12 million of publicity out of it)
[14:46] <belkinsa> Yeah, I heard.  I think the main problem is the fact of no competition for something like that.
[14:46] <drkokandy> Question 2: How will you be able to make sure you can push updates to users, so that Ubuntu Touch is kept up-to-date better than Android
[14:46] <drkokandy> ?
[14:46] <drkokandy> And I think they anticipated that - they wanted to make a superphone for testing
[14:46] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:47] <drkokandy> I think they called it "Formula One" style - way ahead of where consumer cars are, but where the technology is tested
[14:48] <drkokandy> Jono doesn't seem very optimistic that carriers will allow updates to Ubuntu Touch without their slow-moving review :-(
[14:48] <belkinsa> Who is their is this case?
[14:49] <drkokandy> carriers like AT&T or Verizon
[14:49] <belkinsa> I see and what does "slow-moving" review mean?
[14:50] <drkokandy> Just like carriers claim they need to review changes when there's a new version of Android
[14:51] <belkinsa> Ah.
[14:51] <drkokandy> which is why it takes so long to get the upgrade from Ice Cream Sandwich to Jelly Bean on a phone
[14:51] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:51] <drkokandy> Last question was about security on a the phone
[14:52] <drkokandy> Jono makes the point that Ubuntu has its security, which it's had for years, and there will be no changes to that for the phone. Also talked about the Click packaging system which essentially isolates the app
[14:53] <drkokandy> Sounds like it should be much more secure than Android
[14:53] <belkinsa> It does.
[14:53] <drkokandy> (at least, it sounds like)
[14:53] <drkokandy> But I've been using Android for years and have never had an issue
[14:53] <belkinsa> Same, but for me not heavy use.
[14:53] <drkokandy> just need to know what not to install and not to put on untrusted, shady APKs
[14:54] <belkinsa> I know.
[14:54] <drkokandy> That wraps up the session :-)
[14:54] <belkinsa> But what scares me more for some reason is the call ID permission that many have.
[14:54] <belkinsa> Thank you for posting what was going on.
[14:55] <drkokandy> no problem - hope my notes were legible
[14:55] <belkinsa> They were.
[14:55] <drkokandy> I was planning to take notes anyway, so I figured I'd offer to post them in the IRC
[23:16] <thafreak> what'd I miss?
[23:17] <belkinsa> drkokandy went to Jono's talk at OLF and told us what happened.
[23:20] <thafreak> ah...he must have been one of the people crowding around jono after the talk
[23:20] <Unit193> He should have it in scrollback. ;)
[23:20] <thafreak> i do :)
[23:20] <paultag> Heh, Jono.
[23:21] <paultag> he's been under some stress lately.
[23:21] <belkinsa> I wonder if he was in that crowd....he didn't say it
[23:21] <paultag> I wonder if the security emphasys was about how fucked up Mir was
[23:21] <paultag> emphasis
[23:21] <paultag> too much unix
[23:22] <paultag> c.f. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/27327.html
[23:23] <jenni> [ mjg59 | If you ever use text VTs, don't run XMir right now ] - https://j.mp/15tDYtt
[23:23] <thafreak> i don't like the title of that
[23:23] <Unit193> Eh, Jono is PR.
[23:23] <paultag> It's a massive security nightmare
[23:23] <paultag> so It's not shocking he was tyring to tell people it's "secure"
[23:24] <thafreak> Raise of hands, anyone in here at OLF and sticking around after want to get dinner?
[23:32] <thafreak> well...if anyone is around and hcecks in....hit me up on google+
[23:38] <thafreak> ]


[14:34] <infinity> cjwatson: britney doesn't seem to have noticed that the upstart adt retry succeeded.  Is there a howto somewhere for prodding that black box?
[14:36] <cjwatson> jibel asked me to prod him rather than hacking it directly, so that he can investigate
[14:37] <cjwatson> Usually I grep its work directory in ~/proposed-migration/autopkgtest/ for relevant FAILED or RUNNING lines and edit them with vi :)
[14:37] <cjwatson> But it's distinctly not ideal
[14:54] <infinity> cjwatson: Definitely not ideal. :P
[19:45] <jibel> cjwatson, infinity this is because amd64 has been retried manually from jenkins and there was no result on i386 (they had already been processed on previous run). I republished results for i386 2hours ago.