[00:00] <favro> it don't work is a bit vague - any errors? - tried opening eclipse from konsole to see errors? etc
[00:00] <favro> Far^Side: you would need to reinstall - they are diff os's
[00:00] <Far^Side> favro, ok...
[00:02] <DJTachyon> hmmm i wonder if there is a way to copy and paste into the VM
[00:06] <DJTachyon> no git in the dev list? :P guess im doing this by console :)
[00:06] <snarkster> is there an sqlite group? cause Im having issues with amarok in gnome desktop accessing my files
[00:07] <geek> hmm
[00:08] <geek> turns out codeweavers have released UNLOCKED versions of their apps on the lame duck site
[00:08] <geek> i wonder whats the register key for hen
[00:08] <geek> then even
[00:08] <krash> favro: eclipse worked, but it doesn't have the samples
[00:08] <favro> krash: any errors mentioned?
[00:09] <krash> favro: will try running it in command line now :P
[00:09]  * favro shold point out he doesn't use eclipse
[00:10] <krash> favro: Hrmm it says Could not create /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension. Please run as root
[00:10] <favro> sudo eclipse then
[00:11] <snarkster> i need alittle guidance using amarok on gnome.. it continues to rebuild that database all the time and I cant edit the filed for the tracks
[00:11] <favro> krash: you should only have to use sudo the once to get the extensions
[00:12] <krash> favro: that's what I was thinking thanks :)
[00:12] <ardchoille> When I click the clock in the panel the calendar pops up, nice feature. But, Sunday is the last day of the week. How do I make Sunday the first day of the week?
[00:12] <favro> snarkster: maybe try in #amarok
[00:12] <snarkster> thank you
[00:13] <DJTachyon> wow i am having trouble finding and installing the JDK for ubuntu .. man its been too long since i used a linux UI
[00:14] <DJTachyon> does adept not have the java SDK?
[00:14] <favro> !java
[00:14] <favro> there's no bot...
[00:15] <DJTachyon> :P
[00:15] <snarkster> just look for jre
[00:15] <DJTachyon> you mean jdk?
[00:15] <favro> jre I think is the one
[00:15] <snarkster> no i mean jre
[00:15] <DJTachyon> oh wierd
[00:15] <DJTachyon> lol
[00:16] <favro> Java Runtime Environment
[00:16] <DJTachyon> there is openjdk and sun jre
[00:16] <snarkster> your choice i prefer the real deal.
[00:16] <DJTachyon> the sun one says for development to refer to the sun-java6-jdk
[00:16] <DJTachyon> which isnt listed
[00:17] <DJTachyon> am i doing something wrong? :p
[00:17] <ardchoille> Hey, restarting the panel doesn't kill konversation if you're using the tray icon. I always thought it would.
[00:18] <DJTachyon> so no more hints then? :P
[00:18] <dwidmann> How can one connect to a wireless network from the command line?
[00:19] <favro> DJTachyon: it might be in the medibuntu repo
[00:20] <DJTachyon> ill install the JRE first
[00:20] <DJTachyon> and how do i add the medibuntu repo?
[00:21] <favro> medibuntu.org has the howto
[00:21] <DJTachyon> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/index.html
[00:21] <DJTachyon> doesnt seem to be there
[00:22] <ardchoille> DJTachyon: What are you looking for?
[00:23] <DJTachyon> The JDK
[00:23] <DJTachyon> Sun JDK
[00:23] <ardchoille> Are you on Hardy?
[00:23] <DJTachyon> Intrepid
[00:23] <favro> DJTachyon: do you have the universe and multiverse repos available
[00:23] <DarkTan> having trouble with tightvnc
[00:23] <ardchoille> Ah, the repos are different, you need to ask in #ubuntu+1
[00:23] <favro> sorry I TOOK THAT FOR GRANTED
[00:23] <DarkTan> docs don't give a lot of info either
[00:24] <favro> sorry for the caps
[00:24] <DJTachyon> :)
[00:24] <jheka> Kubuntu is greate!
[00:25] <ardchoille> DJTachyon: and "apt-cache search --names-only jdk" returns nothing?
[00:25] <DarkTan> anyone know how to use TightVNC or know where i can get some decent info on it?
[00:26] <DJTachyon> ardchoille: It does but the GUI does not
[00:26] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[00:27] <ardchoille> DarkTan:  http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
[00:28] <DarkTan> yeah, they don't help, as previously stated. it assumes i know what i'm doing
[00:28] <DarkTan> i don't
[00:28] <ardchoille> oh
[00:28] <krash> DarkTan: you trying to run a server?
[00:29] <DarkTan> run the server and then run the viewer on a windows box
[00:29] <DarkTan> run the server on a kubuntu box*
[00:29] <krash> Okay have you tried running vncserver :1 in a terminal?
[00:30] <DarkTan> i didn't have ":1" at the end
[00:31] <krash> that runs it on port 5901
[00:31] <DarkTan> just did so
[00:31] <DarkTan> ...
[00:31] <DarkTan> docs say 580*
[00:31] <krash> or 5801 *nods*
[00:31] <DarkTan> maybe that's why i can't get to it *tries 5901*
[00:32] <krash> not exactly sure one of them is for the java part of the server
[00:32] <DarkTan> i'm using the vncviewer on the windows box
[00:32] <krash> I usually do vncserver --geometry 1024x768 :1  (that changes your screen size) :)
[00:32] <DarkTan> failed to connect
[00:33] <DarkTan> does it make a difference if i use my internet ip from a computer on my network?
[00:33] <krash> for the vncviewer just type the ip of the server and :1 at the end
[00:34] <krash> DarkTan: You should use your local IP address, internet addresses *should* requier port forwarding for it to work
[00:34] <DarkTan> failed to connect again
[00:34] <DarkTan> ahh, ok
[00:34] <favro> !bot
[00:34] <DarkTan> w00t, it work
[00:35] <DJTachyon> ardchoille: Im just doing a command line install :P
[00:36] <vonkleist> DJTachyon, a *command line* install or a *text mode* install???
[00:37] <DJTachyon> yes :P
[00:37] <DJTachyon> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[00:37] <DJTachyon> *moon*
[00:38] <DJTachyon> i wanted to learn how to use KDE4 :P
[00:38] <DJTachyon> now if i could just figure out how to copy and paste into the VM
[00:38] <DarkTan> how do you open dolphin in root?
[00:38] <DarkTan> i keep forgetting
[00:39] <DarkTan> k-something
[00:39] <favro> kdesu dolphin
[00:39] <DarkTan> thx
[00:39] <favro> np
[00:40] <DarkTan> when i minimize something in vnc viewer, how do i bring it back? i have to task bar.
[00:43] <DJTachyon> darktan: F8? :P
[00:44] <krash> DarkTan: Is your server running kde?
[00:44] <krash> DarkTan: You *should* have a taskbar, is it docked?
[00:44] <DarkTan> i have a terminal and nothing else
[00:45] <DarkTan> i don't know what the server is running
[00:45] <mathieu__> woohoo intrepid on aspire one :)
[00:45] <krash> DarkTan: Ahh kill the server vncserver -kill :1
[00:45] <DarkTan> i can pulls up dolphin or konqueror by typing them in
[00:45] <krash> then go into your user directory and then type cd .vnc
[00:46] <DarkTan> well, i kinda like it this way
[00:46] <DarkTan> a few friends will be using it as well, so it keep them from screwing anything up
[00:46] <krash> DarkTan: well you can run startkde from there too if you want else edit the .xstartup file :)
[00:46] <DarkTan> is there a way to view the virtual desktops from the real desktop?
[00:47] <DarkTan> oh ok
[00:48] <DarkTan> hmm, ran "startkde" killed my ternimal and give me nothing else. where was also a bunch of errors
[00:49] <krash> hrmm weird always worked for me :P
[00:50] <DarkTan> could be a different issue, i worry about it later
[00:50] <DarkTan> but back to the first question, can i view the virtual desktop from the real desktop?
[00:51] <krash> Sure you can vnc into it as well, also you should check into desktop sharing
[00:51] <DarkTan> ok, guess i'll have to set it up to run a wm
[00:51] <DarkTan> can i have it run xfce?
[00:52] <krash> yeah that's what I was telling you about the /home/user/.vnc/xstartup file
[00:52] <DarkTan> ok, lets go back to that then
[00:52] <DarkTan> ok, i have a terminal in the .vnc dir
[00:53] <krash> you see an xstartup file?
[00:53] <DarkTan> yeah
[00:55] <krash> edit it, and change the comment out the xterm and add startxfce &
[00:55] <DarkTan> i don't have xfce installed yet
[00:55] <nickwinl> kubuntu 8.10 rc is really something, tho!
[00:55] <DarkTan> so i'll just set it to kde for now
[00:55] <krash> sudo aptitude install xfce
[00:56] <DarkTan> i don't have "xterm" anywhere on there
[00:56] <DarkTan> i have a line that reads "x-window-manager &"
[00:56] <krash> nickwinl It is nifty but I went back to 8.04 waiting still
[00:57] <DarkTan> oh wait, i see one that says "x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls"
[00:57] <nickwinl> krash: kde3 or 4? This 4 on 8.10 is really something...
[00:57] <krash> DarkTan: put a # infront of it that'll comment that out the first one
[00:58] <DarkTan> ok where do i put in for xfce?
[00:58] <krash> nickwinl: Aye I'm using 3 again now, kde4 is really neat though I concur just was a bit quirky on my box
[00:58] <krash> on a new line type startxfce &
[00:58] <krash> you'll have to install it before it'll work though :P
[00:59] <favro> hehe
[00:59] <DarkTan> yeah
[00:59] <DarkTan> do i need that geometry and title lines tho?
[01:04] <DarkTan> ok i did "sudo aptitude install xfce" i didn't find anything
[01:07] <nejode> xfce4
[01:09] <nejode> DarkTan: it's xfce4, and if you wan't all the bells it's xubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <mgroman> Hi, may some one please suggest a decent FLV editor?  All I need to do is cut about 20 seconds out of a FLV file.
[01:12] <favro> mgroman: I use ffmpeg for that stuff - for gui try avidemux
[01:12] <mgroman> favro: thanks
[01:12] <favro> np
[01:16] <psyco> Hey, if I have a socket A cpu, do I need a "socket a" heatsink/fan or can I also use a socket am2
[01:17] <krash> psyco: I could be wrong, but that doesn't sound like an kubuntu question however did you try googling it?
[01:18] <favro> psyco: you could ask in #hardware
[01:18] <psyco> lol yeah, i tend to ask it because irc has many tech savvy people
[01:18] <psyco> good idea
[01:19] <hedo> hi guys
[01:20] <Darthfrog> psyco: You need a Socket A cooler.  You may find a cooler that does multi-CPUs types, though.
[01:21] <hedo> socket A is a bit old
[01:21] <psyco> hehe yeah :P
[01:21] <psyco> ok thanks, Darthfrog
[01:21] <hedo> you should hope that the modern coolers support it
[01:23] <dwidmann> speaking of CPU coolers ... the Xigmatech HDT 1283 is a beast
[01:24] <DarkTan> *mutter* ok, only using the CD drive for the repos again...
[01:26] <shane2peru> how is kde4 coming along?
[01:26] <shane2peru> I thought about installing it, but wanted to see how it was doing over all from some users.
[01:27] <ardchoille> shane2peru: Perhaps ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[01:27] <shane2peru> is kde4 advancing?  is it more usable then when it first came out?
[01:27] <shane2peru> ardchoille: ahh, will do, thanks!
[01:27] <Dragnslcr> I've been using it since 4.1.0, and it's worked well enough for me
[01:27] <DarkTan> ok, terminal install only goes to cd rom now, but Adept (via gui) works fine
[01:28] <shane2peru> Dragnslcr: I tried it in the 4.0 stage, and it was a work in progress.
[01:28] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, 4.0.x wasn't really meant for general use
[01:33] <KDesk> Always when I resize the dolphin window, close it and open it again the size is again the same. What can I do to save the size to the window?
[01:34] <mot_> question
[01:34] <mot_> i have an audigy x-fi extreme pc card (soundcard)
[01:34] <mot_> it's detected in lspci, but if i do `sudo asoundconf list` only my onboard audio comes up
[01:34] <mot_> what should i do from here?
[01:34] <cuznt> !sound
[01:35] <mot_> yea.
[01:35] <mot_> i didn't ask for a canned respond from a bot
[01:35] <KDesk> mot_: you card is not suported by alsa I think
[01:36] <mot_> think it'll work in pulseaudio?
[01:36] <KDesk> All the X-Fi are not supported, only a little bit in OSS4.
[01:36] <KDesk> Pulseaudio is not a replacemento for ALSA!
[01:36] <KDesk> There is only ALSA and OSS
[01:37] <KDesk> mot_: search in google for X-fi and linux or alsa, you will find maybe how to make it work in OSS
[01:37] <KDesk> ALSA is the drivers related software.
[01:37] <KDesk> PulseAudio y only a software mixer with some nice things.
[01:52] <home_> ola
[01:54] <mephx> olaa
[01:58] <voss> It seems like Kubuntu is finally looking ready
[01:59] <krash> Linux has indeed came a loooooong way
[01:59] <voss> Heck even flash is working in 8.1 no crashes
[01:59] <ardchoille> 8.10
[02:00] <voss> ard they almost have to call it 8.11 :P
[02:00] <ardchoille> hehe
[02:01] <voss> Personally I would preferred that they call it 8.11 , delay it a month and put openoffice 3.0 in the release
[02:01] <bdizzle> hey, how do I install a .sh file?
[02:02] <cuznt> !sh
[02:03] <voss> ubottu, the less the user needs to use the CLI the better. If they want to use it fine, but they shouldnt have to.
[02:03] <DarkTan> lol
[02:03] <cuznt> !botsnack
[02:04] <voss> apt-get is much better than yum, its one of the few CLI things I do
[02:04] <bdizzle> okay, got it
[02:04] <krash> !botsnack
[02:05]  * krash laughs
[02:05] <bdizzle> I was trying to install Codeweavers that was ever so graciously provided for today
[02:05] <voss> !apt
[02:05] <bdizzle> I like the basic setup of it, I'm surprised more programs aren't installed in this method (other than ones available through apt-get)
[02:05] <krash> !kde
[02:06] <bdizzle> !codeweavers
[02:06] <bdizzle> !codeweaver
[02:06] <bdizzle> !wine
[02:07] <favro> !messagethebot
[02:07] <mrksbrd> can someone help me with my ATI Radeon Card?
[02:09] <DarkTan> does anyone else have TinyVNC?
[02:09] <ardchoille> !ati | mrksbrd
[02:13] <kr0n05931> I have recently installed wmii on kubuntu and I can't seem to change tabs in irssi
[02:14] <kr0n05931> what should I do?
[02:16] <cuznt> only if i bend it in half
[02:22] <pdenapo> Hi, I've seen that the new kubuntu has the slogan "kde 4.1 don't look back"... this seems to mean "forget kde 3" however some systems administrators may like myself would like to keep using kde 3.5.x for now, since I don't want that end-users that are acustom to kde 3.0 had to learn how to use a different platform, will kde 3.0 still be supported in ubuntu 8.10? seems that Debian lenny will stil use it..
[02:23] <favro> not in 8.10 but kde3.5 will be supported in hardy while hardy is supported
[02:24] <DJTachyon> gnight all thanks for the help
[02:41] <vlad> hello i have a little problem
[02:42] <vlad> enywhone around?
[02:42] <ardchoille> What's the problem?
[02:42] <KDesk> I will use my old color config from kde3 to copy it to my desk with kde4 and some kde3 apps, but where is/are the file/s?
[02:42] <vlad> well i have a version of ubuntu i don`t really know which one but... i got problems whit the nvidia driver.... didn`t take it ...
[02:43] <KDesk> vlad: do you have 8.10?
[02:43] <ardchoille> vlad: open a terminal and type:  lsb_release -a
[02:46] <vlad> ardchoille:
[02:46] <vlad> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[02:46] <vlad> Description:    Ubuntu 8.04.1
[02:46] <vlad> Release:        8.04
[02:47] <ardchoille> That's Hardy
[02:47] <vlad> yeah
[02:47] <KDesk> then it is not the xserver...
[02:47] <vlad> no i use it only to learn
[02:47] <vlad>  ...
[02:47] <vlad> linux
[02:49] <vlad> it isn`t able to update... the nvidia driver...
[02:49] <ardchoille> vlad: How did you install the nvidia driver?
[02:50] <vlad> well i didn`t before it was geting it by him self
[02:50] <ardchoille> ok, sounds like it was installed by the package manager
[02:51] <vlad> yeah but on another version of ubuntu
[02:51] <vlad>  this one i  downloaded today
[02:51] <ardchoille> vlad: so you downloaded and installed it manually?
[02:51] <vlad> no
[02:52] <vlad>  it was instaled by a little program
[02:52] <ardchoille> ok
[02:52] <vlad> wubi ... instaler..
[02:53] <ardchoille> you're on Windows?
[02:53] <vlad> no
[02:53] <vlad>  now i am on linux
[02:53] <ardchoille> ok
[02:54] <vlad> be right back
[02:54] <vlad>  it whil take only a second
[02:58] <nickwinl> anyone else notice the system's mouse prefs not changing directly under konsole? I switched to classic mousetool from the oxygen pointer
[03:01] <vlad> back
[03:01] <vlad>  still same problem
[03:08] <vlad> so still here?
[03:10] <mr---t-> Agent_bob: shalom
[03:10] <ardchoille> I'm still here but I don't understand your problem
[03:13] <Agent_bob> Aleichem mr---t-
[03:13] <mr---t-> yes I'm well thank you
[03:14]  * genii hands out coffee in large Kubuntu mugs
[03:15] <vlad> well ardchoille i don`t have the right rezolution
[03:15]  * Agent_bob accepts mug ... pours coffee into potted plant
[03:16]  * mr---t- don't waste it , he will take it
[03:16] <genii> Agent_bob: Heh :) Coffee is good for plants as well
[03:17] <Agent_bob> genii better for the plant than for me  :)    </end off topic>
[03:17] <genii> Any unresolved support issues tonight?
[03:18] <Agent_bob> idk,  just got here
[03:18] <mr---t-> vlads got one but I think english isn't his native language so it's hard to know what the problem is
[03:19] <favro> vlad was having issues
[03:19] <viriimind> need help here!! how do i install/configure LAMP on my kubuntu 8.04??
[03:19] <Agent_bob> !lamp
[03:20] <vlad> Ok so
[03:20] <genii> viriimind: Basically to have package tasksel installed, then run:  sudo tasksel                and then select LAMP install
[03:20] <claydoh> is there a good place for kubuntu products like stickers other than cafe press?
[03:21] <viriimind> ok
[03:21] <genii> viriimind: This will set up preconfigured apache,mysql php
[03:21] <viriimind> gr8
[03:21] <viriimind> thanks genii
[03:21] <genii> viriimind: You're welcome
[03:21] <Agent_bob> claydoh ubuntu.org has a link
[03:25] <claydoh> Agent_bob: no kubuntu items on shop.canonical.com
[03:25] <claydoh> just looking for different places
[03:26] <Agent_bob> !products
[03:27] <KDesk> witch java verison is better for intrepid?
[03:27] <KDesk> *should I install?
[03:27] <Agent_bob> well there used to be an infonode
[03:28] <Agent_bob> the one you want
[03:28] <mr---t-> what do I type in terminal to get my version number
[03:28] <genii> lsb_release -a
[03:29] <Agent_bob> mr---t- lsb_release -a
[03:29] <genii> Wait, of java ?
[03:29] <mr---t-> commmand not found
[03:29] <mr---t-> no kubuntu
[03:30] <Agent_bob> cat /etc/lsb<tab>
[03:30] <ardchoille> mr---t-: for just the release it's lsb_release -r
[03:30] <KDesk> What can I do to make Fiirefox in kde4 look like a kde4 app?
[03:30] <ardchoille> KDesk: In Hardy?
[03:31] <KDesk> ardchoille: nop, intrepid.
[03:31] <ardchoille> no idea how to do it without kcontrol
[03:32] <genii> KDesk: I think you might want package gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[03:32] <ardchoille> KDesk: Try this: kcmshell kcmgtk
[03:32]  * ardchoille is hoping kcmshell and modules are still in kde4
[03:33] <mr---t-> how come  lsb_release -a didn't work?
[03:33] <ardchoille> it should have
[03:34] <ardchoille> -r just shows the release info
[03:34] <dwidmann> ardchoille: they are
[03:34] <Agent_bob> typo ?
[03:34] <mr---t-> what should the a do all ?
[03:34] <genii> yes, -a = all
[03:34] <ardchoille> shows all
[03:34] <KDesk> genii: I have that package installed, it is a Transitional package to gtk-qt-engine
[03:34] <ardchoille> man lsb_release
[03:34] <Agent_bob> yes all
[03:34] <KDesk> ardchoille: the command didn't returned anything and firefox is still not nice.
[03:35] <ardchoille> KDesk: Ok, I don't know how to do it in kde4. you might try asking in #ubuntu+1
[03:36] <dwidmann> Hmm, I wonder how long until the official release ISOs hit the mirrors
[03:36] <KDesk> ardchoille: ok, thanks. Will you keep using Hardy with kde 3.5? Dont you like kde 4?
[03:36] <ardchoille> KDesk: Ah, wait, you should have the systemsettings app, run that in a terminal and go to Look & Feel -> Appearance
[03:37] <ardchoille> Then to GTK Styles and Fonts
[03:37] <mr---t-> I must have had a leading space or something , it worked that time
[03:37] <Agent_bob> i find it a little odd that the py script lsb_release  has a better man page than things like sed do
[03:37] <KDesk> ardchoille: I have looked there and there is that (module?) but the gtk apps aren't still nice
[03:38] <ardchoille> KDesk: I'll stick with kde3 for a while
[03:38] <ardchoille> KDesk: Hold on, I installed something that helped, lemme find it..
[03:38] <KDesk> ok, thanks
[03:39] <ardchoille> KDesk: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-qtpixmap gtk-engines-qtpixmap
[03:39] <ardchoille> that made my firefox and gimp look nice in kde
[03:39] <ardchoille> But you have to go back into that GTK module and chose the "qt" item
[03:40] <Agent_bob> sounds like a lot of work for a little eye-candy
[03:40] <ardchoille> Agent_bob: It's a one-time thing, so it's worth it IMHO
[03:41] <Agent_bob> but /me browses with links       sooooooo
[03:42] <ardchoille> well, I'm waiting for someone to write a kde graphics app that will replace gimp :)
[03:42] <Agent_bob> ardchoille sure.  i stand under that.
[03:42] <dwidmann> ardchoille: krita may do that one day
[03:42] <ardchoille> I hope so
[03:42] <Agent_bob> so port gimp to qt and call it kimp
[03:43] <ardchoille> I wish I were smart enough to pull that off
[03:43] <Agent_bob> or q_pimp ?
[03:43] <Agent_bob> oh that would be timp   never mind.
[03:44] <genii> "qimp" ?
[03:44] <Agent_bob> ardchoille yeah that's one place where using "dll" doesn't really help
[03:45] <KDesk> ardchoille: with both gtk2-engines-qtpixmap gtk-engines-qtpixmap and with and without choosing in the GTK module the Qt item Firefox is still with the same look.
[03:45] <ardchoille> kraffix :)
[03:45] <Agent_bob> genii maybe.   i liked  kimp  best so far though
[03:45] <ardchoille> KDesk: did you restart firefox?
[03:45] <KDesk> Kimp is a good name for a kde app :)
[03:46] <KDesk> ardchoille: yes, many times.
[03:46] <ardchoille> :()
[03:46] <Agent_bob> but of korse
[03:46] <mr---t-> k-gimp
[03:46] <genii> qt-imp
[03:46] <KDesk> thats straing, I think in hardy it was not so hard
[03:46] <ardchoille> it isn't, it was easy
[03:46] <KDesk> maybe with krita in koffice 2... some day
[03:46] <Agent_bob> :(){
[03:47] <KDesk> any way thanks ardchoille.
[03:48] <ardchoille> KDesk: You might try asking in #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-kde4
[03:48] <ardchoille> Sorry I couldn't be of more help
[03:48] <Agent_bob> actually considering the acronym gimp kimp would be the natural choice for a qt port of gimp
[03:49] <ubuntu> how to change the keyboard to french
[03:49] <Agent_bob> GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program
[03:49] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: if it were qt, not kde, wouldn't it be qimp?
[03:49] <KDesk> ardchoille: ok, I will ask there.
[03:49] <ubuntu> how to change the keyboard to french
[03:50] <KDesk> ubuntu: System Settings
[03:50] <favro> !keyboard
[03:51] <Agent_bob> dwidmann not seeing that the g in gimp is for gnu  the  k would be for kde  which is not always gnu
[03:51] <Agent_bob> dwidmann if the g wer for gtk then yse qtimp would be the natural choice.
[03:51] <Agent_bob> sere
[03:51] <Agent_bob> were
[03:51] <Agent_bob> blah!
[03:52] <ubuntu> tanks thats better
[03:52]  * Agent_bob obviously can't type today
[03:52] <dwidmann> at any rate, IMO, porting gimp would be a waste of time
[03:52] <ubuntu> now its being almost a year ive been on linux how do i know wa version and KDE im running?
[03:53] <dwidmann> ubuntu: in any kde app, you can go to help -> about kde
[03:53] <Agent_bob> dwidmann    yeah and off topic too.     and seeing that i can't type anyway. i'll try to stay a little closer to silent.
[03:54] <ubuntu> ok
[03:55] <Agent_bob> ubuntu you can also use the    kwin --version     and lsb_release -a     and uname -a       for version information on your systems cersioning
[03:55] <Agent_bob> s=c=v=
[03:56] <ubuntu> agent :s
[03:56] <ubuntu> waaat?
[03:56] <ubuntu> agent do like im a begginer just run a cd live on my cd
[03:56] <ubuntu> pc
[03:57] <ubuntu> agent can i try beryl on the cd live?
[03:57] <KDesk> I have another problem, I configure my display to turn off afer 5minutes, but it only turns black with brigtness. How can I turn it off?
[03:57] <Agent_bob> version and KDE im running?    kwin --version
[03:58]  * mr---t- thinks he doesn't know terminal or konsole
[03:58] <Agent_bob> umm you can,  it may not be easy.   you have to have 3d support i think
[03:58] <Agent_bob> !beryl
[03:58] <KDesk> ubuntu:  beryl is dead, now i compiz the one. Also Kwin4
[03:59] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[03:59] <Agent_bob> i'm only 51 minutes out of vertual space dock.       (kernel update)
[04:00] <Agent_bob> i'll stop lagging then.
[04:01] <Agent_bob> isn't there also an infonode + web page   on howto make a live CD sticky ???
[04:02] <genii> Agent_bob: You need some storage formatted with volume name something like "moo cow" or so
[04:03] <genii> maybe "casper-cow"
[04:04] <Agent_bob> genii heh.   well the point being a live CD can be setup in a way that it will retain customization
[04:04] <Agent_bob> ^ past a reboot.
[04:04] <genii> Yes
[04:04] <KDesk> ardchoille: Now the theme from kde works in firefox!
[04:05] <KDesk> I have installed the package gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[04:06] <ardchoille> KDesk: Ah, nice
[04:06] <Agent_bob> poll! how many have a full bootable gnu/linux installation on usb key in their pocket ?
[04:07] <genii> Agent_bob: Does in my laptop bag count?
[04:08]  * Agent_bob reluctantly raises only hand to his own poll....
[04:08] <harpreet> how do i make cube desktop work?\
[04:08] <Agent_bob> genii that's a pocket    of sorts.
[04:08] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:09] <genii> harpreet: Do you have already compiz installed now?
[04:09] <harpreet> genm]
[04:09] <harpreet> genii: yes
[04:10] <genii> harpreet: Do you also have the compizconfig-setings-manager      installed?
[04:10] <genii> <puts another "t" in "setings" above>
[04:10] <harpreet> genii: yes
[04:12] <genii> harpreet: Then set the number of virtual desktops in the General section to more than 2 and also enable the cube. (all this from ccsm). They can also specifically hlp you with compiz issues in #compiz-fusion channel
[04:13] <vlad> hey enywhone can help me ?
[04:14] <vlad>  every linux that i install on my pc gives the same error ... .
[04:14] <vlad> why
[04:14] <harpreet> genii: how do i test if its working
[04:14] <vlad> every time when i start it gives me graphic error
[04:14] <vlad> it might be from the format of hardisk?
[04:16] <vlad> my hardisk is ntfs.... is it wrong like that?
[04:18] <harpreet> vlad , no
[04:18] <vlad> harp?
[04:19] <harpreet> vlad its probably vga card
[04:19] <vlad> harpreet:  can u help ? why every time eny kind of linux i put on it... hmmm shod i change it ?
[04:19] <harpreet> vlad is it desktop or laptop? if laptop what brand?
[04:20] <vlad> what if i use my onboard ... output for the grapshic?
[04:20] <vlad> descktop
[04:20] <vlad> harpreet:  shod i  put it out ?
[04:21] <harpreet> vlad , u'll have to check compatibility for graphics card, and, what does your hard disk look like?
[04:21] <vlad> it`s brand new segate .... 80 G
[04:21] <vlad> might be from the hardisk ?
[04:22] <harpreet> vlad did u free space on hard disk? is there any other OS on hard disk?
[04:22] <vlad> yeah i got somfing like 10 G
[04:22] <vlad> before it was emty only linux... and i had the same problem
[04:22] <harpreet> so you have two partitions now? 10G and 70G, what are those ? both ntfs?
[04:23] <vlad> no i got one of 15 G where it is the windows...
[04:23] <vlad>  and one of the rest whit the linux...
[04:23] <harpreet> vlad: where you want to install linux......what is it? ntfs?
[04:23] <Agent_bob> !ati | vlad
[04:23] <vlad>  but it stil has 10 G empty on that partition
[04:23] <vlad> yeah it is ntfs
[04:24] <harpreet> vlad: you have to have unformatted space to install linux
[04:24] <ardchoille> Sorry about that, but you have to actually quit konversatio in order to stop logging
[04:24] <vlad>  Agent_bob so is prom the video card....
[04:24] <harpreet> vlad: if you using vista on the other side, go there...and delete the partition or format it to fat
[04:24] <Agent_bob> vlad i think so.
[04:25] <Agent_bob> harpreet vfat for a dual access fs ?
[04:25] <vlad> harpreet:  it is Xp
[04:26] <Agent_bob> harpreet umm don't forget the file size limitation with vfat.    just a thought.
[04:26] <harpreet> Agent_bob:  true
[04:26] <vlad> it is not fat it is ntfs
 every time when i start it gives me graphic error <<< assuming that this is the issue.  a graphics error is not caused from a filesystem format, but rather from unsupported or misconfigured graphics chip set.
[04:29] <Agent_bob> !graphics
[04:30] <vlad> Ok i am gona take a look about that
[04:30] <Agent_bob> ubottu i don't really either, but that's no excuse dude.   err bot.
[04:30] <harpreet> comiz!
[04:30] <vlad>  thanks a lot friends
[04:30] <harpreet> compiz!
[04:30] <vlad> !compiz
[04:31]  * vlad gone offf
[04:38] <Roger_Klotz> hey guys, I just updated to the 8.10 rc on my laptop, and when i boot i get to the login screen, login is sucessful, and then the screen goes to prompt and has a bunch of weird colors and symobols. Ive ran all the recovery tools that come with linux, but it still does this. ive tried apt-get update, sucessfully gotten the packages and installed, but its not fixing it.
[04:39] <radams> Roger_Klotz: #ubuntu+1
[04:39] <Roger_Klotz> no its the kubuntu 8.10 rc
[04:39] <Roger_Klotz> oh
[04:39] <Roger_Klotz> its the rc room ty
[04:47] <Agent_bob> not ROOM   it's a channel.  you yahoo msn junky
[04:54] <mr---t-> you sure told him.... after he left :-)
[04:56] <Agent_bob> well it wouldn't have been polite to do it before he left  :)
[04:57]  * mr---t- imagines roger in a dark corner shooting up some msn
[04:58] <Agent_bob> dark basement   is easier to imagine,  only the light of the monitor....
[04:59] <Agent_bob> but are you really trying to talk smack in here ?
[04:59] <mr---t-> oh thats bad
[05:00] <Agent_bob> sorry.  ;/
[05:00] <mr---t-> so was that joke
[05:00] <Agent_bob> it was supposed to be...
[05:00] <Agent_bob> but with Agent_bob who can tell....
[05:01] <mr---t-> the shadow knows
[05:01] <Agent_bob> lol
[05:01] <Agent_bob> true dat.
[05:01] <jmichaelx> well, i just upgraded my laptop to kubuntu intrepid.... it's been a long time since i have seen such crap.
[05:02]  * mr---t- thinks that a troll line.....
[05:03] <jmichaelx> no, not a troll
[05:04] <jmichaelx> this laptop has a run of the mill intel graphics adapter, and in kde4, it just constantly flickers. i hoped it was just a compiz issue, but turning compiz off makes no difference.
[05:05] <jmichaelx> i am not trolling, i am just here to say that kde4 does not belong on any production machine
[05:05] <pronoy> is there any way i don't see the gnome dedicated applications in kde ?
[05:05] <pronoy> i mean how can i do that ?
[05:07] <mr---t-> !kde4 | jmichaelx
[05:08]  * jmichaelx is now convinced that mr---t- is the real troll in this irc channel.
[05:08] <dennister> has anyone else taken advantage of the free crossover software?
[05:08] <jmichaelx> pronoy: the simplest thing for you to do would be to merely edit your kde menu, and delete the entries you do not want to see
[05:09] <jmichaelx> dennister: i downloaded it, and am waiting for the registration number
[05:09] <Agent_bob> dennister crossover office ?
[05:10] <pronoy> jmichaelx: cool....i'll get back to you if i have any problem in doing thta
[05:10] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: codeweavers were giving away free licenses to crossover office all day on the 28th
[05:10] <dennister> ok, well i got xover pro for linux of course, installed it, but didn't install any windows software yet
[05:10] <dennister> I closed the crossover pro, and now can't find it...oh wait
[05:11] <Agent_bob> jmichaelx i see.   just asking if that was the "topic" there.
[05:11] <dennister> it's in my home directory
[05:11] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: i guess it was, for the moment
[05:12] <dennister> it's linux-related, so...
[05:13] <dennister> too bad they don't have acrobat pro...that's mainly what I use my winblows installation for now
[05:13] <jmichaelx> dennister: you're fine... if there were a lot going on in here, and this topic was crowding on-topic issues, maybe it would not be appropriate
[05:14] <dennister> if i was still with imagine canada, i'd be using xover office with endnote 8 (front end is a plugin for word)
[05:15] <dennister> at the moment i'm looking for a linux hard disk diagnostic tool i can install...i tried smartmontools, but i think the drive in question is too old for smart technology
[05:16] <dennister> the user's /home directory keeps disappearing after reboots, so I'm thinking the drive might be on its way out
[05:16] <dennister> anyone got any ideas for a tool?
[05:16] <jmichaelx> dennister: yeah, it almost sounds like that could be the case
[05:17] <dennister> maybe i should swap the drive for another one, and reinstall, just to be on the safe side

[05:18] <mot_> anybody recommend any 5.1/7.1 expresscard OR usb sound cards that *work* in (k)ubuntu?
[05:18] <Agent_bob> dennister badblocks
[05:19] <dennister> mot_: soundblaster
[05:19] <mot_> i meant something that hasn't been discontinued...
[05:19] <Agent_bob> dennister the live CD's have badblocks   and the man page is not too criptic
[05:19] <mot_> they haven't put out any new cards that alsa yet supports in over a year
[05:19] <Agent_bob> or at least the older live CD's did....
[05:20] <Agent_bob> i don't have a new to check.
[05:20] <dennister> heh, i just successfully installed with a mini.iso cd that k3b told me was a bad disk
[05:21] <dennister> worked anyway
[05:21] <Agent_bob> in fact, i think i only have one linux CD a debian etch install ...    so i'll leave it at that
[05:21] <dwidmann> I recall in one version or another (rather recent) of k3b, validation was broken ...
[05:21] <dennister> so 'badblocks' didn't refer to the hard drive issue i'm experiencing, riht?
[05:22] <Agent_bob> did   yes ^
[05:22] <Agent_bob> man badblocks
[05:22] <dennister> dwidmann: so whenever k3b is saying there was an error in the burn, it could just be wrong?
[05:22] <jmichaelx> speaking of debian, i think i am going to switch to debian testing on my desktop. i can not explain how awful kde4/kubuntu is, at this point.
[05:23] <jmichaelx> :-(
[05:23] <Agent_bob> jmichaelx not a bad idea if you don't mind breakage    ah but you don't or you wouldn't be using kde4 anyway...
[05:24] <dennister> dwidmann: do you know which version of k3b had the broken validation?
[05:24] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: there is seldom much of any kind of breakage in debian testing
[05:24] <jmichaelx> experimantal is a very different story
[05:24] <Agent_bob> seldom means different things to different people.   any is too much for some.   one per day is acceptable to otheres.
[05:25] <jmichaelx> experimental*
[05:25] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: agreed, but i can guarantee you have a more stable environment in debian testing with kde3.5, than intrepid with kde4... by a long shat
[05:26] <jmichaelx> shot*
[05:26] <Agent_bob> testing is still in the "non-stable" class.   and i prefer stable.   specally seeing that the first thing i do after install is to "break" my system,  i don't want the os helping me...
[05:27] <dwidmann> dennister: I can't remember exactly
[05:27] <dwidmann> dennister: I just remember it was within this last year
[05:27] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: there will be little if anything about kubuntu intrepid that will be stable
[05:27] <Agent_bob> jmichaelx i'm not using intrepid.     dapper here.
[05:28] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: you are a wise man
[05:28] <Agent_bob> i've been accused of that.  but never admitted to it.
[05:29] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: lol. i will say that i have had a good experience with hardy. maybe i should just stay with that rather than switch to debian.... decisions, decisions
[05:29] <Agent_bob> hardy is LTS
[05:30] <Agent_bob> !lts
[05:30] <dennister> dwidmann: well i did a google search for it, but no luck so far
[05:32] <Guest44702> hello
[05:32] <Agent_bob> hey
[05:32] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: if i may ask, why have you not upgraded to hardy, being as support for your desktop is about gone?
[05:32] <Guest44702> anyone know how to make the user name?
[05:33] <Guest44702> i keep on not being able to make one
[05:33] <dennister> well i'm going to the other pc to learn how to use badblocks...cya
[05:33] <Agent_bob> jmichaelx nah i have another year.  and dialup prevents frequent upgrades.
[05:33] <Guest44702> can anyone tell me?
[05:33] <Agent_bob> Guest44702 you mean adduser ?
[05:33] <jmichaelx> Guest44702: you could look at the manpages for 'adduser'
[05:34] <Guest44702> from which page?
[05:34] <Agent_bob> Guest44702 terminal command     man adduser
[05:34] <Guest44702> just figured out this address
[05:34] <Guest44702> oh
[05:34] <Guest44702> for this chat channel
[05:34] <Guest44702> not for computer
[05:34] <Agent_bob> Guest44702 terminal command     man useradd   # i perfer the binary utility over the script.  but that's just me.
[05:35] <Guest44702> i know how to add user into computers :P
[05:35] <Agent_bob> !register | Guest44702
[05:35] <Guest44702> but for this chat thingy i have never used  before
[05:35] <Guest44702> for sme reason i couldn't find it..................... >.<
[05:35] <jmichaelx> Guest44702: ahhh, what irc client are you using?
[05:36] <Guest44702> pidgin
[05:36] <Agent_bob> !register > Guest44702
[05:36] <Guest44702> the thing asked me in the beginning but i didn't understand it
[05:37] <jmichaelx> Guest44702: hmm, i have never tried to create a new irc user in pidgin, so i am not sure. i usually use konversation, xchat or irssi
[05:37] <Guest44702> oh
[05:37] <Guest44702> well going to try anyways
[05:37] <jmichaelx> Guest44702: just experiment a little, i doubt there is much to it
[05:37] <booksbuggy> okay now it is working
[05:37] <booksbuggy> guest 44702 here
[05:38] <Agent_bob> we saw you.   -:- Guest44702 is now known as booksbuggy
[05:38] <booksbuggy> hehe
[05:38] <jmichaelx> booksbuggy: awesome, congrats
[05:38] <booksbuggy> thanks :D
[05:38] <booksbuggy> thanks ubottu
[05:39] <Agent_bob> !thanks | booksbuggy
[05:39] <booksbuggy> really ?!
[05:39] <Agent_bob> !botsnack
[05:40] <booksbuggy> hmmm a bot that can reply to different messages............... well new things happen every day
[05:40] <Agent_bob> !fishing | booksbuggy
[05:41] <booksbuggy> now i don't get this
[05:41] <Agent_bob> and the ever favorite.
[05:41] <Agent_bob> !botabuse | Agent_bob
[05:41] <booksbuggy> now i am getting confused
[05:42] <booksbuggy> just curious anyone been having trouble with installing the update for "dictionary-commons" and "wamerican" updates?
[05:43] <booksbuggy> because they are crashing everytime i try to update them
[05:43] <booksbuggy> crap the words are repeated
[05:44] <booksbuggy> just curious anyone been having trouble with installing the "dictionary-commons" and "wamerican" updates?
[05:46] <Agent_bob> there usually aren't grammer and spelling nazi's in here.  so if you type like i do you can get away wif typing like i do type some times....   sort of!
[05:46] <jmichaelx> good night, all
[05:46] <jmichaelx> peace
[05:46] <booksbuggy> later
[05:46] <booksbuggy> well i don't normally try to type those slangs
[05:46] <booksbuggy> and i am bilingual
[05:47] <Agent_bob> i'm try lingual      i mean i try to talk.
[05:48] <booksbuggy> well i am still trying to figure a way to install the wamerican and dictionary-common updates
[05:48] <booksbuggy> but they won't budge
[05:48] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: funny!
[05:48] <booksbuggy> now every word i type there are red squiggles under it
[05:48] <Agent_bob> booksbuggy open a terminal and type in.   sudo apt-get update :sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:49] <booksbuggy> well that doesn't work either
[05:49] <Agent_bob> booksbuggy actually close any other package manager first.
[05:49] <booksbuggy> the only two updates that won't install
[05:49] <booksbuggy> i pretty much tried synaptics, update manager, and terminal
[05:49] <booksbuggy> all failed
[05:49] <Agent_bob> booksbuggy but i need the error messages, before i can help you.
[05:49] <booksbuggy> okey
[05:50] <Agent_bob> !pastebin
[05:50] <Agent_bob> !pastebinit
[05:50] <Agent_bob> !info pastebinit
[05:50] <booksbuggy> so how am i suppose to be posting this?
[05:51] <booksbuggy> because i sure don't want to spam the channel
[05:51] <Agent_bob> see ubottu above ^
[05:51] <booksbuggy> okey
[05:51] <dr_willis> Install/use the pastebinit command
[05:51] <booksbuggy> well i am sort of a command idiot
[05:52] <booksbuggy> never used that command before
[05:52] <Agent_bob> see ubottu above that.  the web version
[05:52] <ardchoille> !terminal | booksbuggy Here's some info about the command line
[05:52] <Agent_bob> !pastebin | booksbuggy this one.
[05:52] <booksbuggy> okay
[05:54] <Agent_bob> copy paste is as simple as left click highlight,  switch to web browser input field, and middle click.  or shift middle click.    (if you only have two buttons press both at the same time to emulate middle)
[05:54] <booksbuggy> well this 256 ram computer is going crazy hehe
[05:54] <dr_willis> unless you are on a mac. :)
[05:55] <Agent_bob> dr_willis that too.
[05:55] <dr_willis> One Button mice.. because 2 buttons are to confusing to peopel!
[05:55] <dr_willis> :)
[05:55] <dwidmann> booksbuggy: Upgrading your RAM from 256MiB would be one you wouldn't regret
[05:55] <booksbuggy> well mac just merge the two button into one
[05:55] <ardchoille> Kubuntu works on a mac?
[05:55] <booksbuggy> true
[05:55] <dr_willis> actually i think the last mac i saw at the stores had a new button.. just for their deskletwidsgets things..
[05:55] <Agent_bob> dwidmann i still use 128 m  boxen
[05:55] <booksbuggy> well i probably have to do this tomorrow
[05:56] <booksbuggy> since i have to get out of here
[05:56] <booksbuggy> and i have to switch the language
[05:56] <booksbuggy> (i read mostly everytday stuff in chinese)
[05:56] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: I don't think my typical usage ever drops below 700MiB ... just for applications ...
[05:56] <booksbuggy> :P
[05:56] <booksbuggy> well be back tomorrow
[05:57] <Agent_bob> dwidmann i don't think my typical ever goes above 100m
[05:57] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: hmm, I'm not sure why, but Xorg is using 200M itwself
[05:57] <Agent_bob> no. it's probably not using it. it's allocating it.
[05:59] <Agent_bob> free -m | grep '/+' | cut -c26-33
[05:59] <Agent_bob> that's what is actually in use
[05:59] <Agent_bob> in MB
[06:00] <ardchoille> Memory usage script: http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/11576
[06:00] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: 694.
[06:00] <Agent_bob> memory usage script Agent_bob http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/11577
[06:01] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:01] <ardchoille> Agent_bob: You might be the one I got that from, I just made the layout a little better
[06:02] <Agent_bob> ardchoille heh  prolly :)
[06:02] <dwidmann> ardchoille: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/11578
[06:02] <ardchoille> dwidmann: Looks good :)
[06:04] <Agent_bob> ardchoille btw. it makes things run faster if you reduce lines 33 throught 43 to a single /bin/echo " <all the lines here>
[06:04] <Agent_bob> " command.
[06:04] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[06:05] <Agent_bob> echo "
[06:05] <Agent_bob> you can have several lines
[06:05] <Agent_bob> posted in one set of text
[06:05] <Agent_bob> "
[06:05] <Agent_bob>     with tabs too.  if you like.
[06:07] <Agent_bob> i'm not sure what the limit is on the external /bin/echo   something like 64k chars maybe ?     but with the bash builtin it seems like the sky is the limit...
[06:09] <dwidmann> Hmm, if I painstakingly add up all of the programs memory usage and add it all up, it looks to be about 670M ... guess the other 70M is shared libraries
[06:09] <Agent_bob> i have tested the bash builtin with over 4630191 chars and it accepts it.  so the limit is somewhere above 4m chars
[06:10] <Agent_bob> dwidmann oh yeah.  i have read some on trying to calculate the actual memory usage on apps that share libs and it's quite impossable to get an accurate reading for all apps that doesn't overlap.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> that's not worded right.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> dwidmann oh yeah.  i have read some on trying to calculate the actual memory usage on apps that share libs and it's quite impossable to get an accurate reading, for all apps having shared libs, that doesn't overlap.
[06:11] <dmotd> is there a decent qt4 irc client around yet?
[06:11] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: I get that rought number from adding up all the apps actual memory usage, discluding swap and shared libs (from ksysguard), then subtract that from the total used by apps ... I reckon that can't be too bad a way to figure it, though a bit tedious
[06:12] <dwidmann> dmotd: tried quassel?
[06:12] <dmotd> dwidmann: nope, i will tho..
[06:14] <Agent_bob> dwidmann yes but that's where the problem lies.  example.  you may have four apps of 2m each using one lib of 1m size   but in memory there may only be one copy of the lib thus, while each app is using 3m the four apps and the lib are only using 9m total memory.
[06:14] <ubuntu_> ola para todos
[06:14] <ubuntu_> tem auguem ai
[06:14] <Agent_bob> and the more libs the more complicated that becomes.
[06:15] <ubuntu_> auguem do brasil ai
[06:15] <Agent_bob> as per all most all apps will use at least parts of libc6,
[06:15] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: I'm aware ... any idea how accurate ksysguard is with regards to it leaving out the shared libs?
[06:15] <ardchoille> !br | ubuntu_
[06:16] <Agent_bob> dwidmann not really, sorry.
[06:16] <ubuntu_> #ubutu-br
[06:18] <Agent_bob> it's also possable for applications to be using a single copy of a dll which has writable code in it.  thus that one 1m lib might be taking up 6m of ram   which only compounds the problem.   thus a scan for total usage is generally more accurate than trying to sort out who is using what.
[06:19] <Agent_bob> i should have said ^.*who is using what and how many times each...
[06:21] <Agent_bob> i'm sure it can be done.  this is linux after all.   but, someone would have to arbitrarrily set a standard for how to handle shared memory and how to treat multiple copies of libs in ram.
[06:25] <Agent_bob> i.e.  do we try to grant each app that is sharing section e0000000 - e0ffffff an equal part of that ram   or each one a full allotment of that ram. or none of them any of that ram and dedicate a special section for dll shares to be reported,   or even the possable solution of dumping all the share in the first apps total and letting the rest look tiny ???
[06:25] <Agent_bob> see there is just no standard for that yet.
[06:27] <Agent_bob> and when dlls share dlls what then ?     </rant>
[06:34] <Agent_bob> reboot  (kernel update)
[06:36] <dr_willis> "Good thing about standards - is theres so many to choose from"
[06:40] <Agent_bob> Memory Used/Total Percent: 19/502 MB (3%)
[06:40] <Agent_bob> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[06:42] <Daisuke_Ido> not bad
[06:43] <Daisuke_Ido> just wish kde3 was an option in intrepid, because right now it's got me really expletive mad
[06:43] <Agent_bob> ;'(
[06:43] <Agent_bob> can't install the hardy version ?
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, gnome's the issue
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> which shouldn't surprise me
[06:44]  * Agent_bob </blinks>
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> the gnome-session process is, after some time, taking 100% of one of my cores
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> but that's neither here nor there
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> the really irritating bit is that someone forgot to include kaudiocreator in the kdemultimedia package
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> and that's about the only cd ripper i'll touch (1, it uses cdparanoia, and 2, it's fairly intuitive)
[06:45]  * Agent_bob blames jucato ....
[06:46] <Agent_bob> awh he's not here....  i take that back.
[06:46] <tbr281> what can i use to burn audio/data cd's?
[06:46] <tbr281> besides k3b
[06:46] <Agent_bob> k3b
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> k3b
[06:47] <Agent_bob> xcdroast
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> or mkisofs + cdrecord
[06:47] <Agent_bob> gnomebaker
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a favourite of mine
[06:47] <Agent_bob> gcombust
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> gnomebaker was removed
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> replaced with brasero, which is actually *worse*
[06:49] <tbr281> reason is that libk3b-dev is screwed up and crashes k3b
[06:49] <Agent_bob> gcdw
[06:49] <Agent_bob> cdw
[06:49] <vlad> How can i open Windows same time whit Linux On the same pc?
[06:49] <vlad> Agent_bob: ever done that?
[06:50] <Agent_bob> vlad yeah.   qemu
[06:50] <Agent_bob> vmware
[06:50] <ubsafder> vlad: you can virtualize your windows
[06:50] <Agent_bob> you can vertualize both.
[06:51] <vlad> How ? Mind if i Mesage u in private?
[06:51] <Agent_bob> no don't pm me.
[06:51] <Agent_bob> !vmware
[06:51] <Agent_bob> see the link   ^
[06:51] <Agent_bob> !virtualizers
[06:52] <Agent_bob> see the bot.   use the bot.   message the bot.
[06:53] <ubsafder> how do i check wahat veersion of kubuntu i am using ?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> hand out bot snacks and helper snacks to one and all...
[06:53] <Agent_bob> ubsafder lsb_release -a
[06:54] <Agent_bob> !helpersnack | #kubuntu
[06:55] <Agent_bob> ubsafder that give you what you want ?
[06:55] <ubsafder> what repository should i use to upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04 ? i did update-manager -c but that did not show update available
[06:55] <Agent_bob> ubsafder it should in a few days.
[06:56] <Agent_bob> you are earily
[06:56] <ubsafder> Agent_bob : ok then I gives all I wanted
[06:56] <Agent_bob> !release
[06:57] <ubsafder> bye have a good day thx for the help
[06:57] <Agent_bob> you are very ubsafder
[06:58] <Agent_bob> also very gone.
[06:58] <Agent_bob> and very back
[06:59] <Agent_bob> andrew !
[07:08] <Agent_bob> is stty --all      eol = <undef>; <<< normal ?
[07:11]  * Agent_bob <blinks>  /usr/bin/echo-client-2
[07:12] <Agent_bob> no man page for it, it doesn't answer --help  in fact i can't seem to get any output out of it...
[07:13] <Agent_bob> package  libbonobo2-common   seems to have installed it
[07:13] <Agent_bob> ???
[07:14] <dr_willis> time to hit the bat-google batman!
[07:14] <dr_willis> :)
[07:15] <dr_willis> "Holey Lushious Libraries Batman! Your Right!'
[07:15] <dr_willis> :)
[07:15] <Agent_bob> you know what this means robin!
[07:16] <Agent_bob> we'll have to use the bat eradicator on it...
[07:17]  * dr_willis dances the battoosie.
[07:17] <ardchoille> You guys have been in your cubicles far too long
[07:17] <Agent_bob> lol
[07:18] <Agent_bob> ardchoille miscue.   you mean "bat cubicles"
[07:18] <dr_willis> I work in a Factory.. :) i rarely go to the lant of "Cubicles" - we call that area of the factory 'Carpet land' :)
[07:19] <Agent_bob> dr_willis just tell me it's not "plush" carpet...
[07:20] <Agent_bob> did six ninjas just sneek into the channel ?
[07:20] <Agent_bob> we're under attack!
[07:21] <Tm_T> .
[07:22] <dr_willis> actually its tather nasty carpet now.. :) it gets a lot of nasty oily foot traffic.
[07:24] <saleus> agent bob now i got the virtual machine manager but how ii i work it?
[07:24] <Agent_bob> did you follow the howto ?
[07:24] <Agent_bob> !vmware
[07:25] <saleus> well my english is weack and ... i need sombody to tell me step by step ... but i got virtual machine manager... what shod i do next?
[07:26]  * Agent_bob thinks he shod ask someone that knows more about it than Agent_bob
[07:27] <Agent_bob> doc you up for that ?
[07:27] <saleus> ?
[07:30] <dr_willis> Huh?
[07:31] <dr_willis> I use virtualbox.. I dont use vmware any more
[07:31] <Agent_bob>                  ^
[07:31] <Agent_bob> but you have.  and know how.
[07:31] <Agent_bob> i haven't and dont
[07:32] <niklauz> whats with my sdl games freezing on exit, aye?
[07:32] <niklauz> all of them except crack-attack (for some reason)
[07:33] <dr_willis> Sounds like a Vista feature! :)
[07:33] <dr_willis> I have oodles of games in vista that do that
[07:34] <niklauz> heya dr will
[07:35] <saleus> dr_willis:  can u help me whit my virtual ... machine manager... i am kind of lost
[07:35] <dr_willis> Ive only installed vmware server a few times a long time ago.. and just used it to run/install a few guest os's
[07:35] <niklauz> it's happening on my x86 lappy and my x64 desktop, same problem... everything runs fine then it freezes and hangs when i click to close it
[07:35] <dr_willis>  i havent messed with the latest releases of vmware. the interface was a bit too annoying.
[07:36] <niklauz> if it's happening on both my machines there gotta be other ppl affected
[07:36] <saleus> so beter not too...
[07:36]  * niklauz sighs
[07:36] <dr_willis> Just never close it! :)
[07:39] <niklauz> my scores aren't good enough to get away with that
[07:39] <Agent_bob> niklauz have you tried using the programs normal exit methood rather than closing the window on it ?
[07:40] <Agent_bob> just a thought
[07:40]  * dr_willis recalls the dos days.. of powering off.. to exit a program
[07:40] <dr_willis> :)
[07:41]  * Agent_bob blinks
[07:41] <niklauz> Agent_bob: yup, same result doing either of those two options, the only thing that closes it is kill -9
[07:41] <Agent_bob> didn't know about dos app reset ?
[07:42] <niklauz> i really don't know but i wonder if it's the result of somethign with pulseaudio
[07:42] <dr_willis> try running them in some minimal window manager..
[07:42] <niklauz> i've tried closing pulse and doing it then but no dice, thats a good idea though
[07:42] <dr_willis> kde dosetn use pulse audio by default i thought.. they should be using alsa
[07:42] <Agent_bob> niklauz yuch.   ok it sounds like it is not recieving proper sigops from child processes    but that's only a guess.   strace might be more revieling
[07:43] <niklauz> i know, i like pulse so i set it up
[07:43] <niklauz> i tried strace but it doesn't show anything (that i can decipher) that is clearly the problem
[07:44] <niklauz> brb, gonna try with fluxbox
[07:52] <niklauz> same problem
[07:52] <niklauz> since it's common among multiple apps i'm pretty confident has something to do w/ one of their libs
[07:54] <Agent_bob> should be the last thing on the list in an strace window   i would think
[07:54] <Agent_bob> does anyone here ever use /bin/kill ?
[07:57] <Agent_bob> guess not  ;/
[07:57] <dr_willis> thats weird...
[07:57] <dr_willis> * Disconnected (An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine).
[07:57] <dr_willis> Never seen THAT kind of a message befor
[07:57] <Agent_bob> me too
[07:57] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: yeah ... in tandem with pidof
[07:58] <Agent_bob> dwidmann you actually use /bin/kill ?  or the bash builtin like everyone else ?
[07:58] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: not sure ... "which kill" says /bin/kill though
[07:58] <Agent_bob> type kill
[07:58] <Agent_bob> which only searches the path
[07:59] <dwidmann> hmm, I had never even thought about it ... fancy that.
[07:59] <Agent_bob> which echo  will show /bin/echo  but that not what you use when you type echo boo.
[08:00] <dwidmann> I wonder why bash "needs" so many builtins anyhow ...
[08:00] <Agent_bob> easy test on that,   echo -e 'boo' ;/bin/echo -e 'boo'
[08:00] <Agent_bob> bloat.
[08:00] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:00] <Agent_bob> can't be that bloated without builtins
[08:00] <dwidmann> that's what I just said, you don't have to reiterate for me :P
[08:00] <Tm_T> it's not bloat, it's bash
[08:01] <dr_willis> check  the 'fish' the fish 'manifesto' rants about builtins also. :)
[08:01] <dr_willis> the Fish Shell I mean.. :)
[08:01] <Agent_bob> but i do like the echo builtin.  it removes the command line limit from the amount of text that can be echoed
[08:02] <Agent_bob> even printf is a bash builtin
[08:02] <Agent_bob> as well as test and [
[08:04] <Agent_bob> and why we need/want /usr/bin/test + /usr/bin/[ when both are also bash builtins is beyond me.   wouldn't a symlink work ???    ln -s /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/test
[08:05] <niklauz> wahoo!!! it was the sdl sound lib, it was libsdl1.2debian-alsa, but i changed it to libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio and it works now
[08:05] <dr_willis> could be they differ in specifics, or are reqired by different posix   standards
[08:05] <niklauz> strange i didn't think to do that before
[08:05] <dr_willis> or they are 'grandfathered' in
[08:05] <Agent_bob> my vote is on the latter
[08:06] <dr_willis> 1/2 of Unix is grandfathered in. :) if not more
[08:06] <Agent_bob> yes but it's not backwards compatable  :)))
[08:10] <dr_willis> its forwards compatiable...
[08:11] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:11]  * dr_willis rembers the 'lets change sh to be dash' flamefests...
[08:11] <Agent_bob> prolly not in most cases
[08:11] <Agent_bob> flamefests ?
[08:11] <dr_willis> Yep.. the forums were rather.. hot  in a few threads.
[08:11] <dr_willis> I still see a few uneducated rants about it.
[08:12] <dr_willis> or sites claiming 'Ubuntu broke our scripts'
[08:12] <Agent_bob> i remember that a lot of so called sh scripts were in fact bash scripts    i.e. they would error out if /bin/sh didn't point at /bin/bash ...
[08:12] <Tm_T> IMO sh is not bash
[08:12] <dr_willis> thats the whold point.. sh IS NOT bash
[08:12] <Tm_T> exactly
[08:12] <dr_willis> bash allows itself to be called as 'sh' but does not disable the features not found in 'sh'
[08:12] <dwidmann> sh is not bash, but bash is an sh :)
[08:13] <dr_willis> I feel thats the CORE of the whold problem.. bash should of been flagging that as an error or somthing ages ago
[08:13] <Agent_bob> Tm_T i agree.    /bin/sh should always be totally posix compliant,  not full of bash extentions.
[08:13] <Tm_T> ye
[08:13] <dr_willis> sh should be 'only' posix complient you mean? :)
[08:14] <dr_willis> or at leat warn of non-complience
[08:14] <Agent_bob> dr_willis that's what i thought i said
[08:14] <dr_willis> bash is sh compient.. :) it does all the sh stuff.. but it can do more... thats the issue.
[08:14] <dr_willis> unless the posix complaint standard says it cant do more.. but ive not read the standard. :)
[08:15] <dr_willis> 'The great thing about standards - is theres so many to choose from'
[08:15] <dwidmann> Wow ... the dist-upgrade tool uses 134MiB of RAM
[08:15] <Agent_bob> errr not exactly.   it's ok for bash to do what ever bash wants.  but if bash is called sh   then it should be restircted to posix.
[08:15]  * jussi01 reminds people this is not #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[08:15] <Agent_bob> it's not ?    ooops.
[08:15] <Tm_T> (;)
[08:15] <dr_willis> at leat its linux related. :) and some what related to Ubuntu/Kubuntu :)
[08:16] <dr_willis> have any other disrtos followed the k/ubuntu lead and replaces bash with dash as a system shell?
[08:16] <dwidmann> And (my usual point), it's not like this channel wasn't mostly dead with the exception of this conversation
[08:16] <dr_willis> its 4 am here.. Im almost dead. :)
[08:17] <dwidmann> dr_willis: how unfortunate for you ... it's 4am here too :)
[08:17] <dr_willis> i work 3rd shift.. spent most of the day at the Hospital.. and then took the night off.
[08:18] <jussi01> now you really are heading offtopic ;)'
[08:18] <dr_willis> See.. you started it
[08:18] <dr_willis> :P
[08:18]  * dr_willis waits for the Discussing wether or not things are off topic.. are offtopic line...
[08:19] <dr_willis> Wait! its been at least an HR since someone has asked if 8.10 has been released!  whats going on!
[08:19] <Agent_bob> but one last remark on the sh/bash rant.   the fact that any posix compliant shell, reguardless of which, can't run a particular #!/bin/sh script is proof that the script is broken,  not the shell.
[08:20] <dr_willis> ive posted such statements on many a web site/plugin/script forums. :)
[08:20] <dr_willis> got them mad also..
[08:20] <Agent_bob> they have the same shoes to get glad in.
[08:21] <dwidmann> Umm, erm, something on topic -- blackwaltz@spira:~$ apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop
[08:21] <dwidmann> Segmentation fault
[08:22] <jussi01> ouch
[08:22] <Agent_bob> dwidmann test it on bash ?
[08:22] <Agent_bob> same segfault ?
[08:23] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: ??
[08:23] <Agent_bob> apt-cache depends bash
[08:23] <Agent_bob> that will be a short output
[08:23] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: segmentation fault
[08:24] <Agent_bob> ok it's not lingth of output related then.
[08:25] <dwidmann> apt 0.7.14ubuntu6 for amd64 compiled on Aug 14 2008 16:55:48
[08:26] <Agent_bob> dwidmann bug report   ;/
[08:26] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: I'm thinking yes.
[08:27] <Agent_bob> dwidmann made sure there isn't a newer in the repos ?
[08:27] <dwidmann> Agent_bob:  one sec while I check that too
[08:27] <jussi01> !info apt
[08:27] <jussi01> !info apt intrepid
[08:28] <dwidmann> blackwaltz@spira:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade --simulate
[08:28] <dwidmann> [sudo] password for blackwaltz:
[08:28] <dwidmann> Segmentation faultsts... 5%
[08:28] <dwidmann> I'm starting to think this problem runs a bit deeper :(
[08:28] <Tm_T> me too
[08:31] <Agent_bob> umm can sudoers use uid rather than names ?
[08:31] <Tm_T> I think so
[08:32] <pedrito> Hello
[08:32] <pedrito> I would like to know if a USB Netgear wireless acess point is supported by Kubuntu 8.04
[08:33] <powertool08> pedrito: It should be
[08:33] <powertool08> !wireless | pedrito
[08:33] <pedrito> Do I need to fetch any software package to allow the recognition of the hardware
[08:33] <pedrito> ok thanks
[08:36] <Agent_bob> !hardware | pedrito you might look here also
[08:37] <Agent_bob> i think the wifi doc also points there but i like the more dirrect route
[08:39] <Agent_bob> sudo seems to be hard coded to run things as "root" reguardless of the name of $UID = 0  ...   ;/
[08:39] <fireball> just got here, also having sudo problems
[08:40] <fireball> kubuntu won't recognize my password,
[08:40] <fireball> please help
[08:41] <Agent_bob> fireball you are using your normal user password and not your root password ?
[08:41] <fireball> fireball is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:41] <fireball> as i'm the admin, is there a diff?
[08:41] <fireball> (thanks forr help)
[08:42] <Agent_bob> fireball grep 'adm' /etc/sudoers
[08:42] <Agent_bob> what does it say ?
[08:43] <fireball> grep: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[08:43] <Agent_bob> i see.    ls -l /etc/sudoers
[08:45] <Agent_bob> ?
[08:45] <fireball> -r--r----- 1 root root 470 2008-10-25 19:44 /etc/sudoers
[08:45] <Agent_bob> ok that's usable.   and   sudo echo boo      # gives the group error ?
[08:46] <fireball> asks for password for fireball,
[08:47] <fireball> then, fireball is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:47] <Agent_bob> fireball do you have a root password ?    (*buntu does not have a root password by default, if you did not specifically set one, then you don't have one.)
[08:47] <fireball> ic, maybe not
[08:47] <dwidmann> Interesting development ... ran "apt-get update" and apt stopped sefaulting ...
[08:48] <fireball> i just tried sudo echo boo
[08:48] <Tm_T> awwww
[08:48] <fireball> and entered nothing at the prompt except the "enter" key
[08:48] <fireball> and was forwarded back to prompt
[08:49] <fireball> nope, that's not it
[08:49] <fireball> apparently i have
[08:49] <Agent_bob> fireball ok. you are in for a reboot to gain root access then.      reboot to single user mode   should be an option in the boot menu.   and run these two command.    passwd  #set the password for root,   then  init 2  # switches you out of single user mode and lets you come back here to finish fixing the problem.
[08:50] <Agent_bob> actually "apparently"  you don't fully understand what i said earlier.  but that's ok.
[08:51] <Agent_bob> what does grub call single user mode now days ?   recovery mode ?
[08:51] <ardchoille> Agent_bob: We are not to recommend setting a root password
[08:52] <fireball> shutdown reboot or just cntrl back del ?
[08:52] <dwidmann> fireball: reboot will do
[08:52] <ardchoille> Setting a root password is not necessary, I've run Linux for years and have never seen a need for it. It undermines the security of the system.
[08:52] <Agent_bob> ardchoille i'm going to help him fix that. if it hair lips the govenot
[08:52] <Agent_bob> fireball yes full reboot.
[08:53] <Agent_bob> ardchoille i hope they do see me.
[08:53] <fireball> yeah i'm obviosly a twit, i know. . .I'll be good and stop screwing with what i know not
[08:53] <fireball> wish me luck
[08:53] <ardchoille> fireball: There are other ways, setting a root password is a verybad idea
[08:53] <Agent_bob> fireball good luck
[08:53] <Agent_bob> ardchoille you have a better way ?
[08:54] <ardchoille> What exactly is he trying to do?
[08:54] <Agent_bob> i'd be interested in hearing it.
[08:54] <Agent_bob> fix sudo
[08:54] <ardchoille> how did it break?
[08:54] <Agent_bob> i.e. messed up his groups i guess.
[08:54]  * dwidmann wouldn't doubt user error ... or changing of the domain
[08:54] <ardchoille> you guess? guess?
[08:55] <dwidmann> s/domain/hostname
[08:55] <ardchoille> !sudo
[08:55] <Agent_bob> ardchoille heh.  you have a probelm with me or something ?
[08:55] <ardchoille> I have a problem with someone in the channel doing something that is bad to begin with
[08:55] <Agent_bob> dwidmann the error message suggests it's a group issue.
[08:55] <ardchoille> Setting a root password is just ot good
[08:55] <ardchoille> *not
[08:56] <Agent_bob> ardchoille enough.    if you wanted to help him.  you should have said something.  now, just stay out of the way.
[08:57] <dwidmann> ardchoille: I do believe Agent_bob's plan involves re-locking the root account when the problem is fixed
[08:57] <ardchoille> I didn't know what was going on until I saw you telling him to set a root password.
[08:57] <Agent_bob> [ardchoille(n=ardchoil@unaffiliated/ardchoille)] You're lucky I'm not an op, I'll be letting someone know you are violating things <<<  be as childish as you want.
[08:58] <Agent_bob> dwidmann indeed.  but i really don't need vindication.  thanks just the same.
[09:02] <Agent_bob> fireball ?
[09:02] <fireball> i can log in, but that's all
[09:02] <Agent_bob> fireball in a terminal type   su -   # and enter the root password you have now set.
[09:03] <fireball> i couldn't set the password
[09:03] <Agent_bob> fireball no ?   why not ?
[09:03] <Fireball> sorry
[09:03] <dwidmann> might need to unlock it first?
[09:03] <fireball_> PASSWD #SET was the command?
[09:04] <dwidmann> fireball_: passwd
[09:04] <dwidmann> fireball_: all lower case, all alone
[09:04] <Agent_bob> no. lower case    passwd       and then it will ask for the new password and for you to re type it.
[09:05] <fireball_> i did, error reported
[09:05] <Agent_bob> what error ?
[09:05] <dwidmann> might need to passwd -u root or something like that
[09:05] <ardchoille> how would he change root's password if sudo doesn't work?
[09:05] <fireball_> user needs to be authenticated
[09:05] <ardchoille> oh, he's using su, nevermind
[09:05] <dwidmann> ardchoille: no ... single user mode
[09:06] <ardchoille> ah
[09:06] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok  you can try this command first    su -
[09:06] <Agent_bob> fireball_ then if that works,  passwd
[09:07] <fireball_> su: Authentication failure
[09:07] <Agent_bob> fireball_ it has to be in runlevel one.  recovery mode.
[09:07] <Agent_bob> not in normal user mode
[09:07] <Agent_bob> runlevels 2-5
[09:08] <Agent_bob> you can type in runlevel   to see where you are.
[09:08] <Agent_bob> but only by reboot can you reach runlevel 1
[09:08] <fireball_> S 2
[09:08] <Agent_bob> yeah you didn't reboot to recovery mode.
[09:09] <fireball_> to be clear, rebbot into recovery mode, then after that? "c" ?
[09:10] <fireball_> and from prompt type su -
[09:10] <fireball_> ?
[09:10] <Agent_bob> to be clear, rebbot into recovery mode, then after that? <<< yes.  then  "su -"   then  "passwd"  then "init 2"
[09:10] <Agent_bob> without quotes of course.
[09:10] <fireball_> champion, i'll try again
[09:10] <Agent_bob> if any step fails make note of the error message
[09:11] <fireball_> thanks, brb
[09:13] <Agent_bob> ardchoille sorry about cutting you so short earlier,  but, in the feuture, please don't just jump in with accusations without first asking why.  k?
[09:17] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok what how ?
[09:17] <ardchoille> Man, I'm really liking kommander
[09:17] <batcoder-7> i want gimp 2.6 how can i get that in kubuntu ?
[09:17] <fireball_> no good
[09:17] <ardchoille> I've already written a few gui's for stuff to make myself more productive
[09:18] <Agent_bob> fireball_ error messages ?
[09:19] <Agent_bob> fireball_ where was the problem ?   what failed ?   and why ?
[09:19] <fireball_> if i enter the wrong password at promt, ie fireball@A2Z-X:~$ sudo adept[sudo] password for fireball:Sorry, try again.
[09:19] <nihl> !g++
[09:19] <fireball_> but if ie enter my old one i get
[09:19] <fireball_> 318v8
[09:20] <fireball_> fireball is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:20] <Agent_bob> fireball_ but wait.  did you set a root password or not ?
[09:20] <fireball_> just now, yeah, i had to
[09:20] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok   now in a terminal  do this   su -
[09:21] <fireball_> it's not recognised either
[09:21] <Agent_bob> and use the root password
[09:21] <fireball_> prompt for password
[09:22] <fireball_> new password just returned me back to prompt
[09:22] <Agent_bob> fireball_ yes enter the new root password,   and ?
[09:22] <Agent_bob> but what does the prompt look like
[09:22] <Agent_bob> ?
[09:22] <dr_willis> try the 'whoami' command :)
[09:22] <Agent_bob> say root now ?
[09:22] <fireball_> sorry, i'm wrong, now i'm root ???
[09:23] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok.  now in that root shell do this for me.  grep adm /etc/sudoers
[09:23] <Agent_bob> says what ?
[09:24] <fireball_> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:24] <Agent_bob> ok good.
[09:24] <fireball_> i'd been rooting around with user groups trying to tighten up individual security
[09:24] <Agent_bob> fireball_ now do not close that root shell but open another terminal or tab
[09:25] <fireball_> fireball again
[09:25] <Agent_bob> fireball_ and type in the new shell groups
[09:25] <Agent_bob> what does that say ?
[09:26] <fireball_> sorry, type in what? in which terminal?
[09:26] <Agent_bob> groups
[09:26] <Agent_bob> in the fireball term
[09:27] <fireball_> fireball adm disk dialout fax cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev syslog scanner fuse lpadmin Guest
[09:27] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok you will have to add the group admin to your user
[09:28] <fireball_> ok, no worries. How?
[09:29] <Agent_bob> fireball_ this is the command.   usermod -aG admin fireball
[09:29] <Agent_bob> in the root shell
[09:29] <fireball_> yer good
[09:29] <Agent_bob> done ?
[09:30] <fireball_> yep
[09:30] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok,  in the fireball shell type exit   and then reopen it
[09:31] <fireball_> and things are clicking
[09:31] <Agent_bob> fireball_ in the new fireball shell type this;  sudo echo boo
[09:31] <danish> hy allz
[09:31] <Agent_bob> if that test passes we relock your root account and you are done.
[09:31] <dwidmann> if you're in a gui you'll have to do more than that .. you'll have to restart X too ...
[09:31] <ardchoille> !hi | danish
[09:31] <danish> thanxs
[09:32] <Agent_bob> dwidmann ummm oh yeah. but no. there's another way.
[09:32] <Agent_bob> bash -l
[09:32] <dwidmann> really?
[09:32] <danish> some 1 tell me how i can make a remote with using netcat and brows file
[09:32] <fireball_> you guys are pretty good, ill give you that. I guess "boo" was the ideal reply?
[09:32] <Agent_bob> fireball_ you with me ?
[09:32] <danish> remote connection
[09:32] <Agent_bob> fireball_ yes.  id it boo at you ?
[09:32] <danish> ardchoille:  plz u tell me
[09:33] <danish> will u help me ardchoille
[09:33] <fireball_> funny now, it boo'ed me.
[09:33] <dwidmann> hmm, make it act as if it had been invoked as a login shell eh? interesting
[09:33] <Agent_bob> fireball_ ok one last command, as ardchoille would make known, it is reccomended that you "relock" the root account,   this is how.   in the root shell   passwd -dl root
[09:34] <danish> hello some 1 tell me
[09:34] <fireball_> ok, so about relocking that root account?
[09:34] <ardchoille> danish: Why do you need netcat?
[09:34] <danish> make a remote connection on my office pc
[09:34] <Agent_bob> fireball_ passwd -dl root
[09:34] <fireball_> password changed
[09:34] <Agent_bob> fireball_ it should say yes that
[09:34] <Agent_bob> fireball_ you are fixed.  congrats.
[09:35] <fireball_> legendary. What did I ttouch that I shouldn't have in the gui?
[09:36] <Agent_bob> fireball_ nothing, you just used "probably" users and groups   and removed your self from the admin group.
[09:36] <DarkTan>  /quit
[09:37] <Agent_bob> fireball_ it's not something you shouldn't use   just an action you shouldn't take with it.  unless you have made other provisions for adminestrative access.\
[09:38] <fireball_> well, thanks guys. What can i say, I'll live and learn. Have a good one!
[09:38] <Agent_bob> fireball_ it's also common for users to make a new account and then delete the old one not realising that the new account can't access root....
[09:39] <Agent_bob> fireball_ and welcome.   come back any time.
[09:39] <zer0o> hi guys i plugged a new microphone and it doesn't work, neither with skype nor with the sound recorder, opening AlsaMixer to adjust the values confused me, there are 4 mics ( front mic, front mic boost, mic, mic boost) ive put them all turned up cuz i didn't know which one it was but nothing. then i press CTRL on MIC and 4 further controls appear (Capture, Capture, IEC958, Digital) can someone help?
[09:39] <danish> some 1 tell me how i can make a remote connecction with using netcat and brows file
[09:39] <fireball_> thanks guys
[09:39] <Agent_bob> ardchoille that one is your.  i'm not helping anyone else here just to be told off for doing so.
[09:41] <ardchoille> Well, I've been using sudo for years and have never had a problem nor have I ever had to use su or enable root :)
[09:42] <dwidmann> ardchoille: and by the sounds of it, you've never removed yourself from the admin group either (without making other provisions to give yourself adminsitrative access)
[09:43] <ardchoille> Why would I do something like that?
[09:43] <dwidmann> accidentally.
[09:44] <ardchoille> No, I haven't made that kind of mistake
[09:44] <dwidmann> That was what all of the previous stuff was all about ...
[09:44] <ardchoille> Man who play in root eventually kill tree ;)
[09:46] <dwidmann> ardchoille: strictly speaking it wasn't neccessary for fireball to set the root password to fix things; however, it made it easier to pass the instructions on ...
[09:47] <ardchoille> you're right, it wasn't necessary.
[09:48] <ardchoille> it's 3 am, I should sleep but Kubuntu is just too addictive :)
[09:48] <dwidmann> ardchoille: the reason I put everything after the however, if you haven't thought about it, is that people find the strangest ways to fail to follow instructions ....It's much easier if you can find a way to continue interacting with the person
[09:49] <ardchoille> Well, the rule here is to not tell people how to enable root. If you can't follow the rules you don't beloong here, IMHO
[09:49] <ardchoille> And it's time for some sleep.
[09:50] <dwidmann> Meh ..... people
[09:54] <asfak> uploaded kubuntu intrepid screenshots to http://asfak.isgreat.org
[09:54] <dr_willis> I look at as an IQ test.. if you know enough linux to know how to enaable root allready.. then you perhaps  know enioguh to handle it :)
[09:54] <dr_willis> and hopefully know enogh to realize why its safer to not do it
[09:57] <dwidmann> dr_willis: Being as it's trivially easy to enable root, I'm compelled to disagree.
[09:57] <dr_willis> :)
[09:57] <dr_willis> its so trivial these guys cant figure it out. Heh
[09:58] <dr_willis> 'you mean i have to use the command line!'    <--------------- Noo Root for you!
[09:58] <dwidmann> lol. True.
[09:59] <supert0nes> haha its against forum policies to show how to enable root
[09:59] <supert0nes> wtf
[09:59] <Tm_T> !ohmy | supert0nes
[10:00] <supert0nes> kindof feel like i'm back in the windows world
[10:01] <dwidmann> supert0nes: it can't be that bad, can it?
[10:02]  * dwidmann yawns
[10:02] <dwidmann> Oh well, I best go to bed before sunrise
[10:03] <supert0nes> nahh it was pretty simple
[10:04] <supert0nes> kindof reminds me of the windows principle that new features == calls to tech suport
[10:05] <supert0nes> s/features/configurability
[10:09] <dr_willis> MS thinking.. new features = gimmics to get people to actually want to upgrade
[10:15] <danish> reaching on root command
[10:15] <danish> wat i can give cmd
[10:16] <danish> hello
[10:16] <danish> any 1 there
[10:19] <JohnFlux> danish: why you are talking so funny
[10:21] <danish> JohnFlux:  wats happen
[10:21] <danish> u wanna help me r not
[10:21] <danish> if not then dont talk with me
[10:31] <dr_willis> hmm
[10:31] <dr_willis> i got no idea what your qestion even is
[10:57] <ubuntu> can anybody help me instlal grub using chroot ?
[11:19] <TheFuzzball> Does anyone know why the Kubuntu RC1 liveCD boots into (initramfs) BusyBox, and if so how to fix this?
[11:20] <dr_willis> bad cd burn,  curripted iso file when ya burnt, or some odd hardware quirk
[11:21] <TheFuzzball> I don't think it is to do with the way I burnt the disk, I have tried it on two computer with Alpha 2, 4 and RC1 and It does the same
[11:27] <dr_willis> You mean to say they dont boot? or they do work>?
[11:28] <TheFuzzball> They boot, but into a busybox terminal
[11:29] <TheFuzzball> They don't continue and start X or anything.
[11:29] <dr_willis> so 3 differnt cd'd  fail to boot properly on this one box.. has any live cd's ever worked?
[11:30] <TheFuzzball> The three CDs are over two boxes, and yes previous LiveCDs have worked.
[11:32] <dr_willis> so the 3cds fail to boot in 2 differnt machines ?
[11:33] <TheFuzzball> Yes
[11:33] <TheFuzzball> With the same BusyBox problem.
[11:35] <dr_willis> Might want to try an Alternative installer  cd - if you can get one. Or check the forums for other ideas to check
[11:36] <TheFuzzball> Good idea.
[11:36] <dr_willis> flakey cd, flakey optical drives..
[11:36] <dr_willis> hard to tell..
[11:36] <dr_willis> OR ya could make a bootable usb thumbdrive :) thats what i do now a days
[11:36] <dr_willis> if it also failes - then ya know its not a cd/burner issue
[11:37] <TheFuzzball> I don't know If I have a stick  that is 700MB
[11:37] <TheFuzzball> I need to get more up-to-date :p
[11:38] <dr_willis> Yep. Been using Unetbootin to boot/install  my systems..  very handy
[11:39] <TheFuzzball> I haven't heard of that, how does it work?
[11:39] <mase_x200> hey guys, is anyone aware of an intrepid KDE3 repository
[11:39] <mase_x200> even if its not an official one
[11:57] <blip-> hi,  i am not able to change my wallpaper anymore,  regardless of what wallpaper i select.. even after restarting X11... it has no effect... the same wallpaper i applied before is stuck... i may have messed with the  Advanced Options in the place where it sets the program to draw the background.  any idea how to fix this ?   Thanks
[12:29] <XMINUSH> can someone help me?
[12:30] <XMINUSH> :)
[12:30] <XMINUSH> heeeelp
[12:31] <XMINUSH> where is 911? i need help
[12:31] <XMINUSH> :)
[12:31] <Pici> !ask
[12:32] <XMINUSH> 10x
[12:32] <XMINUSH> i can't use  "mail merge" in openoffice
[12:33] <XMINUSH> i want to talk with someone who use this
[12:34] <Pici> XMINUSH: You'd have better luck asking in #openoffice.org :)
[12:34] <XMINUSH> 10x
[13:01] <ubuntoil> Hi
[13:01] <ubuntoil> for more that six month I have a problem with (K)ubuntu and my ipod
[13:01] <ubuntoil> I can't use my ipod with amarok
[13:02] <ubuntoil> the problem is described here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1239586
[13:02] <ubuntoil> May I ask your help ??
[13:02] <Maxa> !ask
[13:04] <ubuntoil> sorry
[13:05] <Maxa> heh, it's ok. about your problem.. i have no clue unfortunately :(. someone else will probably help
[13:06] <cuznt> maybe a plug in is missing
[13:06] <cuznt> !amarok
[13:10] <ubuntoil> cuznt: I feel like the issue is not amarok. The ownership of my mounted ipod is root...why not me??
[13:12] <ubuntoil> cuznt: if I use amarok as a superuser, I can access my ipod files...(kdesu amarok)
[13:13] <cuznt> is it from another pc?
[13:13] <cuznt> the ipod.
[13:14] <ubuntoil> cuznt: what do you mean ??
[13:15] <cuznt> is the ipod new?
[13:15] <cuznt> or has inof from another pc
[13:15] <cuznt> info
[13:15] <cuznt> !ipod
[13:16] <cuznt> !rockbox
[13:19] <ubuntoil> cuznt: rockbox is good...
[13:20] <ubuntoil> cuznt: the ipod is at least 2 years old
[13:20] <pronoy_> how to install the non free flash plugin using terminal ?
[13:20] <cuznt> k i thought if it was new there would be no owner
[13:20] <numan> i am having problem with sound input
[13:21] <cuznt> why not use adept package manager pronoy
[13:21] <cuznt> !sound
[13:21] <numan> have tried everything i found on google but in no vain
[13:22] <pronoy_> cuznt: adept ? what for ?
[13:22] <numan> i am having problem with "SOUND INPUT"
[13:22] <numan> my mic is not working
[13:23] <pronoy_> cuznt: i installed it directly through firefox but plugin doesn't work...so i guess i should do it using konsole...the command please
[13:24] <cuznt> dont know it you can do it through add/remove programs
[13:24] <cuznt> do a search for flash
[13:24] <pronoy_> ok i'll try thanks
[13:41] <juanantonio> Hello, may anyone help me with aMule?
[13:43] <juanantonio> Has Kubuntu 8.04 any problem in handling sound through an HDMI connection?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[13:45] <pronoy_> hey i don't have this option k>system>desktop effects....i did the full upgarde using adept
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: you got compiz installed
[13:46] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: no
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: does glxinfo | grep direct say yes or no?
[13:47] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: lemme check
[13:47] <Kosmo321> upgraded to 8.10 but mouse no longer works. Anybody else experience this
[13:47] <Pici> Kosmo321: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Intrepid/8.10 support/discussion.
[13:47] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: direct rendering enabled....
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> nope as im on 8.04, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: awesome
[13:48] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: ?! ?!
[13:48] <Kosmo321> thanks Pici
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: direct rendering and stuff is good
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> !compiz | pronoy_
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: if you ask in there (or maybe someone in here) willl be able to tell you what that icon runs
[13:49] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: thats the problem....i can't find the Desktop !!...it just says desktop sharing
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: i cant tell you what it runs as I use fluxbox
[13:50] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: oh...ok i guess i'll ask on #kubuntu-kde4
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> Pici: do you know what command the icon runs please?
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> Pici: the desktop effects icon in the kmenu...
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> pronoy_: if pici tells us we can run it from terminal
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> Kosmo321: can you tell us at all?
[13:51] <juanantonio> I return right now to see if someone can help me with my question
[13:52] <pronoy_> ActionParsnip: yeah...wait and hope :P
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: can you tell use what command  from KMenu -> System -> Desktop Effects
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: runs
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: we just need the command line it executes please
[13:52] <sahin_w> How can I change the color of an KDE3 application in Inrepid?
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> !intrepid | sahin_w
[13:53] <sahin_w> ActionParsnip: There is no kcontrol package anymore.
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> sahin_w: is it installable
[13:55] <sahin_w> ActionParsnip: I've a problem with systemsettings too. There is no color settings module.
[13:56] <sahin_w> ActionParsnip: I've tried kcmshell4 --list, however I did not find the color settings module.
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> sahin_w: i dont use kwin dude so im not much use here
[14:00] <sahin_w> ActionParsnip: Ok, I see. Well I'm using ubuntu (with Gnome), however I prefer amarok and digikam. This is why I'm wondering.
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> sahin_w: you can install both libs and run those in gnome, depends on your stance with bloat
[14:02] <sahin_w> ActionParsnip: Yep, I know. That is what I did in the past.
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> i love amarok, hence kde but kwin to me is nasty
[14:04] <juanantonio> I am back
[14:04] <juanantonio> do not understand what you requested me
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: from KMenu -> System -> Desktop Effects
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: do you have that icon?
[14:06] <batti5> what is low power mixer in kmix?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> batti5: let me websearch
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> juanantonio: do you have that icon?
[14:20] <reel_> hi, Can one copy from kde-konsole and  paste (eg. to openoffice) in color ?
[14:33] <galathalion> anyone using some kind of last.fm-scrobbler-thingy?
[14:33] <jussi01> galathalion: like what is included in amarok?
[14:34] <galathalion> i used to use a plugin for xmms but it doesnt work anymore.. someday it just disappeared
[14:34] <galathalion> :/
[14:34] <galathalion> i dont know what to use
[14:37] <galathalion> i was thinking about dl rythmbox but my adept manager seems to be a bit fubar too
[14:37] <sam__> rockon amarok
[14:37] <sam__> else banshee
[14:37] <galathalion> but i think amarok sux
[14:38] <galathalion> :/
[14:38] <galathalion> i liek xmms
[14:38] <galathalion> :<
[14:38] <galathalion> :<
[14:38] <galathalion> :<
[14:38] <sam__> amaRok rocks! xmms vintage...
[14:38] <genii> galathalion: Please stop that
[14:41] <galathalion> i dont like the amarok interface
[14:42] <genii> galathalion: I hear that xmms is no longer going to be developed
[14:43] <genii> !xmms
[14:44] <galathalion> that sux :<
[14:44] <galathalion> my precious..
[14:45] <galathalion> hmm.. adept keeps crashing on me
[14:46] <ubuntu_> look im trying to install linux but i reach to the part prepare partition but it not seing my hddhow do i know if my hdd in plug in good to my pc and presented?
[14:48] <alonea> when I installed kubuntu so far everything has been great except my cursor tends to jump around sometimes while typing.
[14:50] <Dragonath> hey, can anyone tell me how to get rid of the fglrx driver for ATI cards so I can start reinstalling it from a fresh configuration?
[14:50] <alonea> I had this problem on other distros as well. Also, any ideas on how to get my volume and mute buttons to work? Also, it isn't reading my headphone jack.
[14:53] <sam__> galathalion: aptitude my friend.. "aptitude install adept" may fix your adept problem...
[15:06] <pronoy> ActionParsnip: how do i activate the nvidia driver in kde ?
[15:07] <pronoy> ActionParsnip: i mean how to enable it ?
[15:07] <cuznt> !nvidia
[15:07] <cuznt> but it should be in your restricted drivers
[15:08] <cuznt> application>SETTINGS>restricted drivers
[15:09] <pronoy> cuznt: there is no such tan
[15:09] <cuznt>  <ubottu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:09] <cuznt> then try that
[15:09] <cuznt> it is on mine
[15:09] <cuznt> it may be in a different directory
[15:15] <grendal_prime> is there a way to get compiz to load before the desktop does.  My kubuntu loads and then applyes the compiz to it is that normal?
[15:32] <pronoy>  /join #compiz-fusion
[15:33] <pronoy> cuznt: how do you backup xorg.conf ?
[15:34] <cuznt> no idea
[15:34] <cuznt> or clue even
[15:35] <cuznt> do you know where the file is located?
[15:35] <pronoy> ya.../etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:36] <cuznt> right click copy
[15:36] <cuznt> then put it in a folder in home
[15:37] <cuznt> i think it will make a back up as .bak once you edit it as root
[15:37] <pronoy> cuznt: ok i'll try
[15:38] <cuznt> i mean there must be a better way than that but i am way new
[15:38] <cuznt> i have one xorg.conf.failsafe.bak
[15:49] <payman> salam komak bache ha man vga moshkel dasht az ea sit var raftam hala enghadr noise daram ke nemitoonam beram too ubuntu chi kar konam?
[15:49] <Pici> !en | payman
[15:49] <Darthfrog> !tk | payman
[15:51] <payman> سلام من کارت گرافبکم مشکل داشت اومدم تنظیم کنم حالا یه جور به هم خورده که اینقدر نویز داره که هیچی معلوم نیست چی کار باید بکنم
[15:51] <pronoy> cuznt: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup   this is the backup command..thought youi might want to know
[15:51] <Darthfrog> payman: English only, please.
[15:52] <LjL> !arabic | payman
[15:52] <payman> sorry
[16:02] <zorglu_> i want the new!
[16:02] <zorglu_> give it to me like yesterday! hurry!
[16:02] <Darthfrog> So go get it.
[16:02] <Darthfrog> !intrepid
[16:04] <Darthfrog> If you download and install the Release Candidate, then do a full update, you'll likely have the full version that will be officially released tomorrow.
[16:15] <zer0o> my mic still doesnt work
[16:15] <zer0o> this is the output of this command arecord -f cd -vv /dev/null
[16:16] <zer0o> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/64159/
[16:16] <lovely> does anyone know why after upgrading to hardy I cannot access windows  formated drives? mainly my camera but also external hard drives
[16:16] <zer0o> can someone tell me what is wrong with my mic? im going crazy since 2 days on google trying to find a solution
[16:17] <Darthfrog> lovely: What file systems?  FAT or NTFS?
[16:17] <Darthfrog> zer0o: Have you played around with the mixer?
[16:17] <zer0o> yes cuz it wasnt working!
[16:18] <zer0o> with both kmix and alsamixer
[16:18] <Hasufin> I'm on hardy...  I did the 'upgrade' to KDE 4.1......   after a month and a half or so.....  I'm ready to go back to 3.5.... what's the easiest way to do that?
[16:18] <zer0o> my mic is not working! can u help?
[16:18] <Darthfrog> zer0o: Is it plugged in?
[16:18] <zer0o> yes
[16:20] <ps3> hola gente
[16:20] <ps3> xD
[16:21] <ps3> alguien sabe de kubuntu ?
[16:21] <Darthfrog> !es | ps3
[16:21] <Darthfrog> zer0o: What does "arecord -l" give  you?
[16:21] <ps3> alguien habla español?
[16:22] <zer0o> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
[16:22] <zer0o> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]
[16:22] <ps3> im no speak inglish :$
[16:22] <zer0o>   Subdevices: 1/1
[16:22] <ps3> xD
[16:22] <zer0o>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[16:22] <Darthfrog> !es | ps3
[16:22] <zer0o> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital]
[16:22] <zer0o>   Subdevices: 1/1
[16:22] <zer0o>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[16:22] <zer0o> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]
[16:22] <zer0o>   Subdevices: 1/1
[16:23] <zer0o>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[16:23] <Pici> !paste | zer0o
[16:23] <jameswf> pastebins are your friend
[16:23] <zer0o> sorry
[16:24] <Darthfrog> zer0o: Umm, please use pastebin. :-)  Does the mixer show an enabled Mic input?
[16:25] <zer0o> yes
[16:29] <Darthfrog> zer0o: What do you get if you just use "arecord -vv test.wav"?  The "-vv" will give you a charactermode VU meter so you can see if the system is at least getting input from the mic.  Then try playing back the test.wav file.  Use CTL-C to stop recording.
[16:33] <zer0o> ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:565:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave
[16:33] <zer0o> arecord: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[16:34] <lovely> Darthfrog: ntfs and fat, but fat work part of the time, or did
[16:34] <zer0o> im using skype and the mic is working
[16:34] <zer0o> it just doesnt work when i try to record
[16:34] <lovely> Darthfrog: my fat hard drive died
[16:37] <Darthfrog> zer0o: The "unable to open slave" message above is the issue blocking you.
[16:38] <Darthfrog> lovely: Try this: sudo modprobe ntfs
[16:38] <Darthfrog> lovely: Then try and mount a NTFS drive again.
[16:39] <zer0o> Darthfrog: how do i solve it up?
[16:41] <varanus> i'm using kde4 atm and some times when icons are being added in the system tray, they get covered by white boxes. I'd like to know if someone else has noticed the same problem. The icons still work but it's a bit annoing
[16:41] <lovely> Darthfrog: permission denied
[16:41] <Darthfrog> zer0o: Try this: artsshell terminate
[16:42] <Darthfrog> zer0o: Then try recording again.
[16:42] <zer0o> what is this?
[16:42] <Darthfrog> lovely: Did you remember sudo?  You need root privileges to load kernel modules.
[16:43] <Darthfrog> zer0o: Exercise your Google-fu. :-)
[16:43] <lovely> Darthfrog:  yes, I copied what you typed. I just went in and manually enabeld the drive in 'system settings'
[16:43] <lovely> Darthfrog: that seemed to work
[16:43] <zer0o> Darthfrog: just wanted to be sure that wouldn't modify anything now that finally my skype's working
[16:44] <lovely> Darthfrog: is there a way to get it to automaticly mount, or rather why would it not?
[16:44] <Darthfrog> lovely: Good stuff.  You can add "ntfs" to /etc/modules (you'll need root privs to edit the file) to have it load at boot time.
[16:45] <Darthfrog> And to have it automatically mount at boot time, you'll have to add an appropriate line to /etc/fstab.
[16:45] <lovely> Darthfrog: so vim would be good here, or some other editor?
[16:45] <lovely> Darthfrog: I havent used any of them much
[16:46] <Dragonath> I'm having sound card troubles - my M-audio audiophile 2496 doesn't make a sound
[16:46] <Darthfrog> lovely: If you know vim, use it.  But since you asked, I can be pretty sure you don't. :-)
[16:46] <Darthfrog> lovely: sudo kate <file name>
[16:47] <lovely> Darthfrog: well, last time was several months ago and it took me a couple hours of going back and forth to the vim how to's
[16:47] <lovely> Darthfrog: thanks
[16:47] <Darthfrog> Time spent learning vim is time well spent. If only for the character building exercise. :-)
[16:48] <Darthfrog> !vim
[16:49] <lovely> Darthfrog: I should go ahead and add in the fat as well now ehh?
[16:49] <Darthfrog> lovely: Think of each entry in /etc/fstab as merely providing the same parameters to the mount command as you would give it via the command line.
[16:49] <Darthfrog> No, VFAT.
[16:49] <Darthfrog> !fstab
[16:50] <lovely> Darthfrog: I am in /etc/modules
[16:52] <lovely> Darthfrog: what do you mean by !fstab
[16:52] <Darthfrog> read what the bot said in response.
[16:52] <Darthfrog> !ubottu
[16:52] <lovely> got it, thanks again
[16:58] <Dragonath> I'm having sound card troubles - my M-audio audiophile 2496 doesn't make a sound, can anyone help?
[17:00] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4996816
[17:00] <Dragonath> ah thanks
[17:01] <makdaknife_> I had an M-Audio card... quite some time back... it took me a while to get it working properly... but once I had it up it was pretty slick
[17:02] <blip-> hi, i'm no longer able to set my wallpaper on Kubuntu Hardy... it's stuck on the old wallpaper.  i've restared the machine and even tried setting the wallpaper using feh.. but to no avail.    any ideas what could be causing this ?   did something break in KDE/Kubuntu ?   Thanks
[17:04] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: you might find it useful to install envy24control to control it
[17:05] <Dragonath> makdaknife_: I have the kdemultimedia package installed
[17:06] <Dragonath> there's just so many dials
[17:07] <Dragonath> do I need to be running the rt kernel for all this?
[17:08] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: depends how serious you are.. I ditched rt... it just became too much hassle
[17:08] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: install alsa-tools-gui
[17:09] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: that should give you envy24control... which is a better mixer for the card... it sorta gives you a bit more perspective
[17:09] <Dragonath> makdaknife_: it's just that the rt kernel doesn't like booting with this card :)
[17:09] <Dragonath> I have that
[17:10] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: try getting it running without rt... I hassled with the rt kernel for ages and then just gave up... I don't suffer from latency enough to worry about it
[17:11] <Dragonath> what exactly should I tweak here in envy24control if I want to hear music from speakers hooked to my analog output?
[17:12] <harpreet> !compiz
[17:13] <makdaknife_> ha ha... I don't have the same card... but generally... on the Analogue tab... make sure the DACs are all turned up
[17:13] <Dragonath> they are
[17:13] <Dragonath> I gues something else is wrong then
[17:13] <makdaknife_> you should be able to experiment a bit with all of the sliders until you get sound...
[17:14] <kkathman> but if you have an nVIDIA card chances are compiz wont work anyway with Ibex
[17:15] <makdaknife_> hmmm its tricky... make sure you have the snd_ice1712 module loaded
[17:17] <Dragonath> lspci does tell me this: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
[17:17] <Dragonath> however no mention of M-Audio whatsoever
[17:17] <makdaknife_> I remember having a load of issues when I first got my card... think it was a delta-66... but a later install of kubuntu just worked out of the box
[17:17] <makdaknife_> um... yeah that lspci output is right
[17:18] <makdaknife_> lsmod|grep ice1712
[17:18] <Dragonath> that one does give me a bunch of output
[17:18] <makdaknife_> if you have an onboard sound card... you might find its worth disabling it in the bios while you get the m-audio working
[17:19] <Dragonath> hmm I should try this one out
[17:19] <Dragonath> for all I know it's still enabled
[17:19] <makdaknife_> hmmm if its loading the modules and detecting the card... I'm not 100% sure where the problem lies
[17:20] <makdaknife_> I think that was my first big problem
[17:20] <Dragonath> I haven't seen any xine errors as well but that might not be important
[17:21] <Indigo6> Hello, I'm having a problem with Firestarter -- this computer is on most of the time and when i reload the events list, it's huge -- how can I erase it, and not just clear the display?  Is there a specific log file somewhere?
[17:21] <makdaknife_> try this: cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:22] <makdaknife_> Indigo6: I think that it uses iptables in the background which will be logging to /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages
[17:22] <Dragonath> http://pastebin.com/d42b033bc
[17:22] <makdaknife_> Indigo6: you probably don't want to nuke those files
[17:22] <gsa10132> Hey guys.. been doing some readup on the coming Kubuntu 8.10, and the website stated it for release "next" week on the 23rd.. Does that mean this week then? If so, anyone got any inside as to when the final will be out? I'm looking to install Linux on my workstation, and wouldnt want to go through the hassle of re-installing on Sunday or so :)
[17:23] <Dragonath> gsa10132: heard it's tomorrow
[17:23] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: nice... okay... your onboard is being detected... to avoid confusion... I would disable in the BIOS
[17:23] <Dragonath> right
[17:23] <Dragonath> going to reboot
[17:23] <makdaknife_> cool
[17:23] <makdaknife_> good luck
[17:23] <gsa10132> Dragonath: cool, I'll wait until tomorrow then
[17:25] <Indigo6> makdaknife:  No, I don't want to nuke those files, you're right.  When I restart the computer it's fine, but when it's running for days it just gets too big.  Old /var/log/syslog... messages... get archived -- Is there a way to tell the syslog to restart?  I did try asking this question in #iptables, but nobody knew how to fix it on the command line.
[17:26] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: it looks like 8.10 is kde4 only... so I guess it depends whether you're keen to use kde4... personally I would stick to kde3 for a while
[17:28] <makdaknife_> Indigo6: syslog gets rotated... probably daily on a cronjob... which is what archives it and starts a new log file... you might want to read about logrotate... man logrotate is a good start
[17:28] <makdaknife_> Indigo6: why does it bother you so much?
[17:28] <gsa10132> makdaknife: oh.. what's the big downside of using KDE4? I haven't tried it much at all
[17:31] <makdaknife_> Indigo6: see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/disabling-logging-in-firestarter-305175/
[17:32] <Indigo6> makdaknife: thank you, I will lookup logrotate -- it bothers me just because it's excessive and takes a minute or two to load... when I'm trying to find something in Wireshark, I have to load like a weeks worth of blocked connections.  I'm running a restrictive firewall, so quite a few hits are logged.  I'm looking to remaster this system as a live CD and want to remove anything too extraneous -- at this point, my OS compiles into
[17:32] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: KDE4 is VERY new... and IMHO pretty buggy... I think some of the design goals are great... but the interface needs a load of work
[17:33] <Indigo6> makdaknife:  Even better.  Thank you again for your help.
[17:33] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: a lot of the applications are still being ported and are in beta... KDE3 is rock solid... it has its own issues... but if you're fairly new to linux... I would recommend sticking with this for a while
[17:34] <gsa10132> makdaknife_: cool, I'll take your word for it and stick with 8.04 and KDE3 for awhile then.. downloading now.. thanks .)
[17:34] <gsa10132> :)
[17:34] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: there are probably a fair number of people who will disagree with me
[17:34] <gsa10132> I have a server running Debian, so Im not really new to Linux, just new to X basically.. Im usually in console
[17:35] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: :-) good stuff... I was a debian fan for years... still am... but k/ubuntu is much better for a desktop imho... its going to change your life :-D
[17:35] <gsa10132> just growing sick and tired of Windows and realized earlier that I can to all my everyday tasks just as good in Linux
[17:36] <gsa10132> to = do
[17:36] <Tm_T> indeed
[17:36] <gsa10132> I had to reboot my windows computer 4 times over the last 3 days due to upgrades.. sickening.
[17:36] <makdaknife_> indeedy... if you're used to working in the shell... then having a linux desktop environment is going to be a whole lot better than working over putty on a windows box
[17:37] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: good luck with the install... I hope that you're suitably impressed
[17:38] <gsa10132> makdaknife: oh, cool.. is there specialized tools for remoting a linux server from within Kubuntu? a big hassle has also been being forced to use the Samba protocol.. it's dead slow and really frustrating.. but moving files around in console with putty is quite tedious when you got like 200 folders to move
[17:39] <Dragonath> gsa10132: you mean a GUI for transfering files over SSH?
[17:39] <gsa10132> would be nice if there were some GUI in Kubuntu for moving files over SSH..
[17:39] <gsa10132> heh
[17:39] <gsa10132> exactly :)
[17:39] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: konqueror is great using sftp
[17:39] <Dragonath> there are
[17:40] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: or fish
[17:40] <Dragonath> I use gftp
[17:40] <gsa10132> sweetness.. I almost feel stupid for not exploring the Linux on Desktop route earlier
[17:40] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: gaaah... polluting your lovely qt environment :-P
[17:41] <Dragonath> I didn't know you could use konqueror
[17:41] <Dragonath> well anyways, I disabled something in the BIOS
[17:42] <Dragonath> however it the thing I pasted is still the same
[17:42] <eagles0513875> Dragonath lol its like i didnt know u can use opera to torrent and to get on irc
[17:42] <gsa10132> so with Konqueror (its like a file browser, right?) you could remote connect to another computer and move files around on that computer without having to rely on the samba protocol or anything else?
[17:43] <Dragonath> you can set up remote connections too I recall
[17:43] <gsa10132> wow, sweet.. that will save me roughly 30 minutes of stupid typing per day
[17:45] <gsa10132> so, anything else to consider before switching? any pitfalls to avoid?
[17:46] <Dragonath> gsa10132: new games don't work with wine and sometimes the newest hardware isn't supported
[17:47] <gsa10132> That's cool, I never game
[17:47] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: i believe you should avoid getting an m-audio 2496 sound card
[17:47] <makdaknife_> :-P
[17:47] <makdaknife_> that was a dig at Dragonath who is having issues with hir sound card
[17:48] <gsa10132> makdaknife: I have a stupid-ass SB-windowsonlyshiteaudiocard which Im going to drive over with my car.. I'll just use the onboard realtek AC97 circuit.. Im not picky
[17:48] <Dragonath> I am..
[17:52] <Dragonath> makdaknife_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4107752&postcount=10 <-- should I try doing what this post instructs?
[17:52] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: the m-audio cards rock once you get them running
[17:54] <blip-> hi, how can i reinstall KDE on kubuntu 8.04 ?   I've got a big problem with wallpaper that no one knows how to solve, even #kde
[17:54] <gsa10132> What email software is default in Kubuntu 8.04? Is Thunderbird there out-of-the-box? (and if so, can I import mail and settings from Thunderbird in Windows?)
[17:54] <blip-> is it safe to just reinstall via adept ?
[17:54] <makdaknife_> Dragonath: sounds like the next best option... otherwise you can mess with their ordering in alsa... I can't remember how to do this... but disable is my approach... you're not going to use the onboard
[17:55] <alonea> why does my cursor go everywhere while typing?
[17:55] <makdaknife_> gsa10132: kmail/kontact is default... but install thunderbird... you should be able to import your settings and mail if you backup to a disk
[17:55] <gsa10132> cool
[17:56] <genii> alonea: Perhaps because you have a laptop with a touchpad near your cuffs
[17:56] <gsa10132> looks like Im pretty much set for an install then
[17:56] <alonea> genii: is there a way to make it less sensitive? I have never had this problem before.
[17:57] <genii> alonea: There should be something in System Settings or equivelent
[17:58] <alonea> genii: er, I see mouse settings, but it says nothing about a touchpad
[18:00] <genii> alonea: For the computer mouse and keypad are same thing "pointing device"  The settings screen on mine looks like this for instance: http://i38.tinypic.com/2cqy7p1.png
[18:00] <genii> keypad -> touchpad      rather, above
[18:02] <alonea> i used to have an app that actually had touchpad stuff, but dunno what it was.
[18:04] <alonea> genii: and this page says something about a touchpad tab???
[18:04] <alonea> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[18:05] <marekt> hi what is the best program to use with webcam in kde?
[18:05] <lawrence> hallo
[18:05] <marco_> i have kubuntu 8.10 rc installed. the screen is constantly blinking. is there a solution?
[18:05] <Dragonath> makdaknife: it works, thank you
[18:06] <makdaknife> Dragonath: wicked... I am so glad
[18:07] <Dragonath> now I need better speakers
[18:08] <makdaknife> Dragonath: once you've got that working... start playing around with Jack (qjackctl is very useful) and ardour as a DAW
[18:08] <Dragonath> that's the plan :)
[18:10] <alonea> I am not sure if this is compiz, but how do I get it when I click on the window it puts it in focus. I have to click on the title bar now to bring anything to the front instead of anywhere in the window.
[18:11] <genii> alonea: Touchpads will seem to linux like a mouse unless you specifically install some touchpad driver for them
[18:11] <ingmar_> hi
[18:11] <alonea> genii: I thought the driver was already provided?
[18:11] <ingmar_> can anyone tell me how i give myself permission to move and create files
[18:12] <genii> alonea: There is a synaptics driver but it does not neccesarily get loaded by default
[18:12] <lars__> hi! Are there any other way to "restore" locales then sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[18:12] <fabitoski> hola
[18:12] <fabitoski> alguien
[18:13] <fabitoski>  para hablar?
[18:13] <lawrence> hello there, is this the place a newbie can ask stupid questions?
[18:13] <Pici> !es | fabitoski
[18:13] <lawrence> like i am not getting any sound from my players
[18:13] <fabitoski> ok
[18:14] <genii> alonea: You likely need packages: libsynaptics0 and: tpconfig
[18:14] <alonea> alrighty.
[18:15] <hcooh> Hi there, I couln't start intrepid in live CD
[18:15] <Pici> hcooh: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Intrepid/8.10 support/discussion.
[18:15] <hcooh> ok
[18:16] <lawrence> how do i go about determining if my hardware was correctly identified?
[18:24] <ilembitov> Hi, all. Does anybody knows, whether pre-release Amarok 2, Koffice 2, digiKam 0.10 are in 8.10 already?
[18:25] <genii> ilembitov: They'll likely know in #ubuntu+1
[18:31] <makdaknife> lawrence what is the problem?
[18:32] <lawrence> makdaknife: oh.. prob solved.. thanks .. had to fiddle a bit with the mixer!
[18:33] <makdaknife> np glad you solved it....
[18:34] <lawrence> makdaknife: but is this the place to ask dumb questions... this being my first day first try with linux?
[18:34] <lawrence> till later folks!
[18:34] <makdaknife> lawrence: sure... hopefully you'll get an answer... another option is to check out #linux
[18:36] <jpmorelli> Hello everybody !, I have a problem with kopete. I put "Firefox" in Default Web application in the System preferences, but kopete still using Konqueror as default Mailbox open. I close the session and still got the error. Any help ?
[19:00] <lars__> jpmorelli: maybe set Firefox as default in global?
[19:02] <jpmorelli> lars__: How can I do that ?
[19:06] <keith> keith123
[19:06] <genii> keith: If you were trying to change your name, its:   /nick newname
[19:09]  * elisiano is know known as newname
[19:09] <elisiano> lol
[19:09] <genii> elisiano: :)
[19:42] <krash> Good afternoon folks
[19:58] <vblanton> all aboard to kubuntu-devel! only 1 day left before release!
[20:01] <wayneward> just running intrepid on asus 701 i only have 512 ram would kde 4.1.2 require more? ive been getting memory leaks on firefox so i reniced it and now its fine. Will i have to renice it again after a reboot?
[20:02] <vlt> Hello. What can I do to avoid the message "Segmentation fault" when trying to playback a flash movie in Firefox?
[20:05] <vlt> wayneward: "renicing" only affects running processes. So you'll have to do it again after a reboot. You could create a shortcut "nice -n 10 firefox".
[20:06] <wayneward> ah yes i may have to do that cheers
[20:08] <LjL> wayneward,
[20:09] <LjL> !info and
[20:09] <LjL> !info reniced
[20:10] <wayneward> i have a strange problem with the desktop effects on my nvidia - the desktop effects work until I add the nvidia drivers then that disables the effects as i need xcompisite - so i addded the compisite lines required but my right monitor is just a unuseable black screen then it has X loaded up but not useable. Im wondering if a ATI will fix this?
[20:14] <KDesk> I have problems with (I think it is the cause) xserver 1.5, intel 2.4.1 in a 865G card. The graphics some times have a big corruption. Firefox, and dolphin tab swithing is slow, also glxgears is slower (I know it is not a benchmark). I have also a screenshot: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=corruption2ck6.png
[20:15] <KDesk> What can be the cause and the solution? Could it be xrandr, exa?
[20:16] <KDesk> Also switching to another window is slow.
[20:20] <KDesk> I have no compositor running.
[20:21] <favro> KDesk: sounds like you might be using the wrong vid card driver
[20:22] <KDesk> favro: hmm, I haven't look at it, let me see.
[20:23] <KDesk> favro: by running the compiz-check script it says I am using the intel driver. How can I know witch video driver I am using right now?
[20:24] <manuxp> hello
[20:25] <dwidmann> KDesk: you can check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:25] <KDesk> dwidmann I have checked right now and it says also intel module 2.4.1
[20:25] <niklauz> hey when is 8.10 released
[20:25]  * niklauz beatboxes
[20:26] <rugby471> hi guys
[20:26] <dwidmann> niklauz: tomorrow I think
[20:26] <rugby471> anyone running kubuntu 8.10?
[20:26] <dwidmann> niklauz: they always release on the last Thursday of the month
[20:27] <rugby471> would they be willing to do a quick screenshot of a guest sesison?
[20:27] <KDesk> I have also in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log hundrets of lines with:  (II) intel(0): Modeline "1152x864"x75.0  104.99  1152 1224 1352 1552  864 865 868 902 -hsync +vsync (67.7 kHz)
[20:27] <KDesk> rugby471: is there guest session in kubuntu?
[20:28] <rugby471> oh dunno
[20:28] <Darthfrog> There is in Intrepid.
[20:28] <niklauz> dwidmann: awsome
[20:28] <rugby471> basically I just need a screenshot of a default setup
[20:28] <rugby471> 800x600
[20:28] <dwidmann> rugby471: just a few minutes and I can do it if nobody else does it first
[20:28] <rugby471> if none is running it, if they have an iso downloaded, could they fire that up in like virtualbox
[20:29] <rugby471> thanks
[20:29] <rugby471> (it needs to be 800x600)
[20:29] <KDesk> is the guest session not only in ubunut and not in Kubuntu?
[20:29] <rugby471> I would do it myself, but there is no point in me downloading a 600mb iso just to take the screenshot
[20:32] <KDesk> rugby471: but there should be lot of screenshots I think.
[20:33] <rugby471> KDesk: sorry?
[20:33] <KDesk> rugby471: I meen in the internet.
[20:34] <rugby471> well, there are two that are suitable, however they are either the wrong size or REALLY bad quality
[20:34] <KDesk> rugby471: this one? http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html
[20:35] <KDesk> rugby471: you need 800*600?
[20:36] <KDesk> this? http://bp0.blogger.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SJUWiHWJxxI/AAAAAAAAABA/ZAHC6TXLnoY/s1600-h/intrepidDefault2.jpeg but has no plasmoids.
[20:36] <rugby471> yeah, but I need 800x600 (and not resized, native 800x600)
[20:36] <dwidmann> I made a new account for this ... but it seems to be giving it trouble with regards to logging in :\
[20:37] <rugby471> oh?
[20:37] <rugby471> does the guest account not work?
[20:41] <GriFF3n> hello?
[20:42] <dwidmann> rugby471: seems to be giving me difficulty anyway
[20:49] <dwidmann> rugby471: sorry if I'm a little late, but here's what I managed - http://www.xnowherex.com/images/kubuntu8.10.jpg
[20:50] <rugby471> wow, thanks that is great, is there anyway you could get it at 800x600?
[20:50] <rugby471> (Not by resizing, could you set your screen res to 800x600 temporarily)
[20:50] <dwidmann> rugby471: one sec
[20:50] <rugby471> thanks
[20:50] <rugby471> sorry for fussing, I really am grateful
[20:50] <pedro> hola
[20:50] <genii> !es | pedro
[20:51] <pedro> hello friends
[20:51] <pedro> goodbye
[20:55] <krash> What's the best SQL GUI?
[20:56] <dwidmann> rugby471: http://www.xnowherex.com/images/kubuntu8.10_800.jpg
[21:03] <roozbeh> what time ubutu 8.10 release ?
[21:03] <krash> ain't that tomorrow?
[21:04] <krash> yeah tomorrow
[21:04] <roozbeh> in my location is 30 october :D
[21:04]  * krash laughs
[21:04] <krash> Lucky you hehe :)
[21:04]  * KDesk has 16h 29 oct.
[21:05] <roozbeh> krash: where are you ?
[21:05] <krash> 17h here
[21:05] <krash> US - Ohio
[21:05] <roozbeh> krash: can i ask you how old are you ?
[21:05] <krash> roozbeh: I don't see why not, I'm 28, and yourself?
[21:06]  * krash has been foolin' with linux for 16 years now.
[21:06] <roozbeh> krash: im 22
[21:07]  * dwidmann is 22 also
[21:07] <krash> roozbeh: Well it's good to see youngins getting into linux, not many around here do.
[21:07]  * dwidmann thinks we're straying off topic though
[21:08]  * krash sighs
[21:08] <krash> I first installed linux off of a floppy disk
[21:08]  * krash laughs
[21:08] <KDesk> has any one problems with google translate and the translate button in konqueror 4.1?
[21:08] <krash> err 4 of them I think actually
[21:08] <roozbeh> krash: im working kubuntu 8.10 RC
[21:08] <KDesk> *intrepid
[21:08] <roozbeh> krash: i have many crash
[21:09] <krash> KDesk: I had intrepid not too long ago, downshifted to hardy though, more stable
[21:09] <krash> roozbeh: As did I. *nods*
[21:09] <KDesk> krash: yea, I think also hardy is more stable.
[21:09] <roozbeh> krash: do you have this crash and bugs ?
[21:10] <krash> roozbeh: I noted a few problems, but that descision belongs in kubuntu+1 I believe (for now?)
[21:10] <krash> roozbeh: what problems are you having though? I'm bored anywho :)
[21:10] <dwidmann> The +1 channels usually aren't too active ... might as well talk in here
[21:11]  * krash agrees with dwidmann
[21:11] <roozbeh> krash: in plasmoid
[21:11] <KDesk> There should be a message to advice people to download the intrepid iso per torrent.
[21:11] <KDesk> roozbeh: but that is 'normal'
[21:11] <krash> roozbeh: ahh yes that's where most of my problems lied
[21:11] <roozbeh> krash: in plasmoid , when i ativate folder view my laptop in too lazy :p
[21:11] <KDesk> you have only to not use plasmoids, only see them.
[21:12] <krash> roozbeh: I believe *they* are hurrying their little (_(_  )s off trying to fix them problems by tomorrow
[21:12] <KDesk> folder view has this problem.
[21:12] <KDesk> but the folder view bug is fixed in 4.2 I think
[21:12] <KDesk> so, we have to wait to backport 4.2 in january.
[21:13] <dwidmann> 4.2.1 will be a nice step forward :)
[21:13] <krash> roozbeh: I tested ibex for testing purposes, tried to contribute a little, and will do so again probably in another month
[21:14] <krash> but if you don't have space to run both I'd stick with hardy for production purposes
[21:14] <krash> but that's just *my* opinion :)
[21:15]  * dwidmann is in the process of getting all of his computers up to using Ibex
[21:17] <KDesk> krash: I have two 10GB root partition, one to test and one to use normaly.
[21:20] <krash> KDesk: I have one 30GB partition now, but I am in dire need of a new bigger better badder HD :)
[21:20] <krash> think I'll get one on black friday if possible :)
[21:21] <ardchoille> Is the Restricted Drivers Manager no longer maintained?
[21:21] <KDesk> krash: I should also get a bigger hd some day. With so many movies and music...
[21:21] <ardchoille> Why is is that I'm seeing the same problems with it that I saw a year ago?
[21:22] <dustdevil> hi everyone
[21:22] <KDesk> ardchoille: Yes, but now in my pc is has the name of Hardware Drivers.
[21:22] <dustdevil> i'm a first time kubuntu user, this will be my first upgrade. is it better to do a network upgrade or an upgrade from an ISO?
[21:23] <krash> dustdevil: network upgrade
[21:23] <ardchoille> dustdevil: The safest thing to do is back up all personal files and install from CD
[21:24] <dustdevil> okay, and i should use the alternate ISO right?
[21:24] <dwidmann> ardchoille: but then (unless you backup your package list), you lose anything you had installed ...
[21:24] <dustdevil> dwidmann: thats one issue for me yes
[21:24]  * krash lives on the wildside
[21:25] <dwidmann> dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | tr '\n' ' ' > packagelistbackup
[21:25] <dustdevil> my other question is, for network upgrade, do i use do-release-upgrade or do i use adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[21:25] <dwidmann> dustdevil: choice 2
[21:25] <krash> dwidmann: Now how in the hell do you people remember commands like that? :P
[21:25] <dwidmann> krash: magic
[21:25] <dustdevil> dwidmann: and it retains the -devel bit, seeing as the RC is going to be ready soon?
[21:26] <dwidmann> dustdevil: it retains it because it's not exactly a recommended upgrade, even after release .... seeing as some people like stability and familiarity (ie: kde3)
[21:26] <dustdevil> okay thanks
[21:26]  * krash needs to work on his self-discipline in retaining 30 character commands like that.
[21:27] <dustdevil> dwidmann: one last question... lets say the network upgrade fails, will i be able to boot from my 8.04 cd and chroot to the new distro. if that is the case, do you know if the updated files are stored in a particular location?
[21:27] <Darthfrog> krash: He doesn't retain a 30 character command.  He doesn't need to.
[21:27] <krash> dustdevil: You are aware that you can stay with hardy and still use kde4 along with kde3 right?
[21:27] <dwidmann> krash: I memorize all sorts of weird things ... like every piece of information on my debit card (number, security code, expiration, phone number) ...
[21:28] <Darthfrog> krash: Instead, he employs the Unix convention of building tools from simple building blocks.
[21:28] <giuseppe_> Hi everyone... I have a problem on my ubuntu 8.04. Sometimes in a total randomic way happens that monitor becomes black and I cannot do anything.. also the keyboard does not work
[21:28] <giuseppe_> do you have any odea?
[21:28]  * krash is lucky he can remember where he set his beer down at.
[21:28] <dustdevil> krash: okay, haven't considered that. kde4.1? on 8.04?
[21:29] <dustdevil> that might be the best option for me actually
[21:29] <dustdevil> thanks a lot guys
[21:29] <krash> dustdevil: Yeah you can still use the kde3 if you choose but can run 4 to see what it's like, I'd recommend doing that first
[21:29] <giuseppe_> anyone can help me?
[21:30] <krash> qiuseppe: Sounds to me like something is "locking up"
[21:30] <dustdevil> krash: i've used kde 4.0 on gentoo before i changed to kubuntu... it looked promising
[21:30] <dustdevil> was still quite buggy though
[21:30] <Ghost_620> this sounds like a dumb question but, I installed kubuntu today dual boot with windows and what little i've tried to use kubuntu, it seems to crash frequently, run slow, errors installing ati driver. wondering if it's because the drive it's installed on is on a controller linux doesn't have a driver to reocognize (the rest of the drive)
[21:30] <dwidmann> dustdevil: kde 4.1 is worlds better than 4.0 was
[21:30] <krash> qiuseppe: Did the problem start out of nowhere or after an upgrade or when?
[21:31] <giuseppe_> krash: so have you got any idea how to fix this problem?
[21:31] <krash> dustdevil: I was on gentoo before here too, just spent too much damn time compiling :P
[21:31] <krash> qiuseppe_: First have to figure out where it's coming from my friend
[21:31] <dustdevil> krash: yup yup... gentoo makes it to eassy to have the latest version of XYZ.. not always good :-P
[21:31] <dwidmann> Ghost_620: Hmm, I say check your logs in /var/log for errors .... (if it's as bad as you think,, they might really jump out and say hello :P)
[21:32] <dustdevil> *too
[21:32] <dustdevil> krash: have to say, last binary based distro i used was slackware, and i have to admit, its been fun going back to a binary oriented linux
[21:32] <dustdevil> gentoo is fun on the side
[21:33] <Ghost_620> well.. today is first time i've ever used linux so.. not sure how to go about doing much with it
[21:33] <krash> dustdevil: *laughs* sounds like you went down the same path I did, did freebsd for a while too
[21:34] <krash> Ghost_620: Have you tried checking your entire HD for errors?
[21:34] <giuseppe_> krash: well sometimes it works very well
[21:34] <dustdevil> krash: ja.. well, 9 years of linux has been quite an education hehehe.. even tried linux from scratch and netbsd
[21:34] <krash> giuseppe_: So I take it this is a fresh install? If you just start it up and don't do anything, it'll run fine?
[21:34] <giuseppe_> krash: but sometimes, expecially when I'm use wine and picasa
[21:35] <giuseppe_> krash: it blocked itself
[21:35] <krash> dustdevil: I couldn't agree more :)
[21:35] <krash> giuseppe_: ahh wine yeah that'll do it
[21:35] <giuseppe_> krash: I installed this new ubuntu revision dy 5 days
[21:35] <giuseppe_> krash: what do you mean exacltky?
[21:35] <dwidmann> I should get back to experimenting too ... I pretty much settled down with Kubuntu 5.04 and haven't really experimented much since :\
[21:36] <giuseppe_> krash: other times when I use rythmbox it crash
[21:36] <krash> giuseppe_: ahh you're using the 8.10? that'll do it too... that's testing software.  WINE is also for lack of better words "unstable"
[21:36] <dustdevil> have any of you guys played with Xen? i was thinking of experimenting with other flavours using Xen, although not sure if its really going to be all that useful
[21:37] <giuseppe_> krash: Xen is an alternative program to picasa?
[21:37] <giuseppe_> wine?
[21:37] <Ghost_620> krash: well.. defragmented that drive yesterday.. ok here's how installed it, was running windows xp x64, mounted the linux image with daemon tools (don't have a blank cd handy) installed to a secondary Sata drive which is connected to a promise raid/sata controller which under linux can't see the other contents of that drive that are accessible under windows
[21:37] <dwidmann> giuseppe_: it's virtual machine software
[21:38] <krash> giuseppe_: dustdevil was talking about Xen, not I, and I don't use wine at all, and wouldn't recommend it unless it's absolutely necessary
[21:38] <dustdevil> giuseppe_: try finding a linux equivalent... i use wine only for some games etc i can't run natively on linux
[21:39] <dustdevil> but i don't dual boot, so linux alternatives to windows software is what i've done
[21:40] <krash> Ghost_620: Ouch the run-around way, and that's weird, linux should be able to see everything
[21:40] <giuseppe_> krash: btw my ubuntu is 8.04
[21:41] <Ghost_620> krash: well it seems to see everything BUT that promise controller
[21:41] <Far^Side> is there a file I could read off my old Kubuntu installation to get a list of all the installed packages?
[21:42] <giuseppe_> krash: so your suggestion is to not use wine?
[21:42] <giuseppe_> krash: and it should work fine?
[21:42] <krash> giuseppe_: ahh well then I'd take dustdevil's advice, and not use wine unless you're playing certain windows games
[21:42] <Ghost_620> krash: I guess I could try finding a cd to burn kubuntu to and trying it on the 1 IDE drive I still have, hoping won't have to give up on the idea of using linux
[21:43] <krash> giuseppe_: Yep, wine is constantly being updated, but still, there are alot of linux programs that are more than comparable to windows programs
[21:43] <dwidmann> Far^Side:  dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | tr '\n' ' ' > packagelistbackup
[21:43] <giuseppe_> krash: I see... but also sometimes when I try to shutdown my notebook I have a black monitor one more time and I cannot do anything
[21:43] <krash> Ghost_620: I haven't been on my windows partition in months now :)
[21:44] <dustdevil> thanks for the help guys
[21:44] <dustdevil> adios
[21:44] <krash> Ghost_620: Err scratch that, I did use it for zdaemon to play doom but I waz too lazy to look for the linux way :P
[21:44] <krash> giuseppe_: Ohh, I don't recall you saying this was on a laptop
[21:45] <Ghost_620> krash: well I'd much rather get linux working than ever have install *cringe* vista
[21:45] <krash> giuseppe_: laptops in general have tons of problems on their own let aside of the software
[21:45] <krash> Ghost_620: *gasp* no swearing!
[21:45]  * krash laughs
[21:45] <Ghost_620> krash: oops sorry lol
[21:46] <dwidmann> Yes, yes, keep the profanity to a minimum ...especially in the case of the v word :P
[21:46] <giuseppe_> krash: so I should use ubuntu only in a desktopo computer and not on my notebook?
[21:46] <Mixed432> anyone knows if there is a place where you can download for free books or tutorials for open source project that you can print on your printer?
[21:46] <krash> Ghost_620: I just had to downgrade my buddies comp back to xp that vista crap was ewww
[21:47] <dwidmann> krash: why not upgrade your buddies comp to linux?
[21:47] <krash> giuseppe_: I didn't say that, just that notebooks often have harder to find drivers or more "device-specific" drivers which you may need to find
[21:47] <giuseppe_> krash: I understand you... so I think I cannot solve easily the problem... correct?
[21:48] <krash> dwidmann: I'm working on it, he's an older dude, not so well with change & stuff
[21:48] <Ghost_620> krash: well I'll give it another try on a drive I know it'll be able to recognize and see if that solves some of the issues.. yeah, I haven't really had any desire to run vista for even just the reason that their system requirments invole 512 of ram.. I've got much more than that but that much just to run the OS? ridiculous
[21:48] <xst> Gwenview has begun resizing JPG images in extremely bad quality when exporting to a flash gallery. How can I set the compression quality for the resized JPG images?