[00:17] <robtygart> div33435: Have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:25] <div3984> hi, got a really old dell computer that i want to install kubuntu on.  i started with the latest version, 12, and the install failed for some reason.  i went back a full release to 11 and got another error.  im thinking ill need to go back further, could i get a recommendation if I gave you the computer model?
[00:51] <Guest33908> is everyone here safe?  I hope everyone is safe, can't be to safe you know, safety safety safety!   Got to be safe, if your not safe your not safe, so stay safe and give up your freedom!
[02:04] <robtygart> Does anyone know anything about the last 12.04+ package of upgrades? adobe-flash stopped working and I have seen another comment about it on KFN.
[02:11] <genii-around> robtygart: Does: sudo update-alternatives --config mozilla-flashplugin      give you more than one choice of the gnash plugin?
[02:12]  * genii-around makes some coffee
[02:14] <robtygart> genii-around: brb /quit switching computers
[02:15] <Rob_tygart> There is only one alternative in link group mozilla-flashplugin: /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
[02:15] <Rob_tygart> Nothing to configure.
[02:16] <Rob_tygart> genii-around: What do you think?
[02:17] <genii-around> Rob_tygart: I think it's very curious.
[02:17] <Rob_tygart> genii-around: I am sure its a bug. I seen antoher post on KFN but it had no answers.
[02:18] <Rob_tygart> hopfully my post on the forums or the other will have an answer in the morning.
[02:19] <genii-around> Rob_tygart: Have you tried: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer        ?
[02:19] <Rob_tygart> genii-around: yep I even purged it.
[02:20] <Rob_tygart> genii-around: can I revert back to the last one?
[02:20] <genii-around> Rob_tygart: No, there is no downgrade capacity
[02:20] <Rob_tygart> any ppa?
[02:20] <genii-around> Possibly
[02:20] <Rob_tygart> lol
[02:20] <Rob_tygart> time for duckduckgo.com
[02:22] <Rob_tygart> genii-around: Thanks, I am going to goof around and see if I can find anyting. If you have any ideas please let me know.
[02:24] <genii-around> Rob_tygart: You could download https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2/+build/3413352/+files/flashplugin-installer_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_amd64.deb and do sudo dpkg -i flashplugin-installer_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[02:25] <genii-around> Oh, they left.
[02:33] <robtygart> genii-around: I am here
[02:34] <robtygart> genii-around: I have 32bit
[02:34] <genii-around> robtygart: OK, 1 minute
[02:35] <genii-around> Hm, there's two files for that at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2/+build/3413353
[02:39] <robtygart> genii-around: thanks i will try it.
[06:32] <ricomoss_> Anyone up to help solve a dual monitor issue on a System 76 laptop?
[07:20] <oleg> ciao
[07:26] <astro5> when i left click on a window title bar and move it around, the mouse pointer doesnt stay attached to window...it "floats" around away from title bar....anyone know what setting i can use to change this?
[08:48] <Ab3L> hi. i've an issue with playing a wav file in kubuntu. When I give the following command in Konsole, it works, but when I put it in KTimer no sound is played: pico2wave --lang=it-IT --wave=/tmp/parla.wav  "Ciao mondo. Il sole splende alto nel cielo." && vlc /tmp/parla.wav
[09:35] <onebitX> hi to all
[09:35] <onebitX> i am tring to coompile kdelib
[09:35] <onebitX> but give me this error ui_kcupsoptionspageswidget.h: No such file or directory
[09:35] <onebitX> where i can fin ui_kcupsoptionspageswidget.h ?
[09:36] <ikonia> why compile kdelib
[09:36] <ikonia> it's provided in a package for you
[09:37] <onebitX> because i am tring to compile kde from source
[09:37] <shadeslayer> but why? :)
[09:37] <shadeslayer> !find ui_kcupsoptionspageswidget.h raring
[09:38] <ikonia> onebitX: if you can't deail with that error "file does not exist" - you really should not be trying to compile it
[09:39] <onebitX> ikonia: i can deal with it but it's an #include "ui_kcupsoptionspageswidget.h"
[09:39] <ikonia> onebitX: ok.....so...........deal with it ?
[09:40] <onebitX> ikonia: so i can't ask help?
[09:40] <shadeslayer> onebitX: do you plan on contributing to kdelibs itself?
[09:40] <onebitX> shadeslayer: i wanto to compile it from source that's all
[09:40] <ikonia> onebitX: sure you can, I wasn't suggesting that
[09:40] <ikonia> onebitX: why ? what benifit do you hope to get ?
[09:40] <onebitX> ikonia: so whats teh problem? i am asking how can i find that .h file
[09:41] <ikonia> onebitX: that file is either in a package, or it's generated by other files / builds that kdelib depends on
[09:41] <onebitX> ikonia: i want try to compile it, just to try. i installer kubuntu server, without kde on VMand i am tring to compile it
[09:42] <shadeslayer> onebitX: you just want to compile from source? I don't get it .... usually the only reason why developers compile kdelibs is because a) it has some new feature that was introduced and is only in master or b) to work on fixing bugs in kdelibs
[09:42] <onebitX> shadeslayer: i am a noob that want to ty to compile kde 4.10 from source, what's the problem?
[09:43] <shadeslayer> no problem at all
[09:43] <shadeslayer> fine
[09:43] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get build-dep kde4libs
[09:43] <shadeslayer> then try to compile the tar
[09:43] <onebitX> shadeslayer: in that way i wiil download the souce modified by kubuntu developers
[09:43] <ikonia> onebitX: it's not modified
[09:43] <shadeslayer> uh, no?
[09:43] <onebitX> adapted ?
[09:44] <ikonia> onebitX: what are you talking about ?
[09:44] <shadeslayer> whut?
[09:44] <onebitX> mmmmmm that i read something wrong about this
[09:44] <onebitX> than*
[09:44] <shadeslayer> what are you following? :D
[09:44] <ikonia> onebitX: I'd suggest just using the pre-compiled packages
[09:44] <ikonia> onebitX: the kubuntu team put time and effort into making these packages stable for you
[09:44] <ikonia> I suggest you trust their experience and use them
[09:44] <onebitX> ikonia: i have kubuntu 12 installed perfectly
[09:44] <ikonia> onebitX: great,
[09:45] <onebitX> i downloaded the source code fom kde.org and i am tring to compile it from that source
[09:45] <onebitX> o kubuntu server
[09:45] <onebitX> on*
[09:45] <shadeslayer> so it depends what you want the end result to be
[09:45] <shadeslayer> do you want deb packages at the end?
[09:45] <onebitX> installeed kde from kde.org source
[09:45] <shadeslayer> do you want to directly install the binaries?
[09:46] <ikonia> this is crazy
[09:46] <shadeslayer> onebitX: any particular reason for not using the packages from the archive?
[09:46] <ikonia> it makes no sense
[09:46] <ikonia> it's for a goal that doesn't exist
[09:46] <ikonia> "for the kubuntu modified kde"
[09:47] <shadeslayer> for starters we don't modify KDE at all, some light patchery to get stuff to build and maybe install in the right paths, but apart from that everything is pure upstream KDE
[09:47] <onebitX> shadeslayer: because it's all automated? i just type apt-get install somelib and cmake make install
[09:47] <ikonia> no
[09:47] <ikonia> just typing "make" is worthless
[09:48] <ikonia> if you don't know what you are doing, take the time to learn, or use the pre-compiled packages
[09:48] <onebitX> shadeslayer: i write a mistake, sorr, i don't mean that. i read that every dist modify kde source . it might be a wrongo information
[09:48] <shadeslayer> hah no
[09:48] <onebitX> wrong*
[09:48] <shadeslayer> onebitX: if you want an even more 'pure' kde experience, you might want to look at Neon, which is like raw KDE from git
[09:49] <onebitX> what is the problem by downloading the source from kde.org and try to compile it?
[09:49] <ikonia> there is no problem
[09:49] <shadeslayer> onebitX: you can do that, sure
[09:50] <shadeslayer> and I told you how to do that
[09:50] <ikonia> if you've got a.) an understanding of what you are doing b.) the time / ability to learn
[09:50] <onebitX> than why you say all this to me?
[09:50] <onebitX> ikonia: i have a and b
[09:50] <onebitX> i am asking help it's a crime??
[09:50] <ikonia> onebitX: then why are you talking about downloading and typing "cmake"
[09:50] <ikonia> onebitX: and why are you talking about getting modified sources
[09:50] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get build-dep kde4libs , and then mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DMY_CMAKE_OPTIONS ..; make
[09:50] <onebitX> ikonia: stop please, why you want to start a flame?
[09:50] <ikonia> it's not a flame
[09:50] <onebitX> ikonia: i am asking help it's a crime??
[09:50] <ikonia> I'm asking a valid question
[09:51] <ikonia> you say you know what you are doing
[09:51] <ikonia> yet the questions you've asked don't make sense
[09:51] <ikonia> or suggest you've done enough solid research
[09:51] <onebitX> ikonia: yes and i ewanto only to know here to find "ui_kcupsoptionspageswidget.h"
[09:51] <onebitX> thats all
[09:51] <onebitX> it's a problem????
[09:51] <ikonia> onebitX: yes, and I've told you the two places it's likley to come from
[09:51] <onebitX> ikonia: what is the problem ???
[09:51]  * shadeslayer notes that that's probably a compiled file from a .ui file
[09:51] <ikonia> onebitX: you keep asking that and I've explained to you multiple times
[09:52] <onebitX> ikonia: no i only asked it 1 time, and you don't relay me many times
[09:52] <ikonia> shadeslayer: at a guess, I'd agree
[09:52] <ikonia> with my exceptionally limited kde expereince
[09:52] <onebitX> ikonia: you start only flame me
[09:52] <ikonia> onebitX: you keep asking what the problem is
[09:52] <onebitX> and  i don't undesrtand why
[09:52] <ikonia> and I've explained multiple times, you're approach is flawed
[09:52] <shadeslayer> ikonia: sounds like he doesn't have uic bits installed
[09:52] <onebitX> ikonia: i amasking WHY you FLMAE me!!!!![6~
[09:52] <ikonia> onebitX: I'm not flaming you
[09:52] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[09:52] <onebitX> ikonia: so stop!!!
[09:53] <ikonia> onebitX: I can't stop if I'm not flaming you - I've not started, so can't stop
[09:53] <onebitX> ikonia: if you don't stop than you start, so stop
[09:53] <shadeslayer> onebitX: okay, calm down and let me explain
[09:53] <ikonia> onebitX: I don't understand ? you're asking questions, I'm answering
[09:53] <ikonia> onebitX: that's not flaming
[09:53] <ikonia> that's responding to your question
[09:54] <onebitX> ikonia: no you don't give me answers you start flame me with "why you do it?" no that it not ok, you don't understand, if you now than do
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ikonia: it is : ./kdeui/dialogs/kcupsoptionspageswidget.ui
[09:54] <onebitX> [10:38:36] < ikonia> onebitX: if you can't deail with that error "file does not exist" - you really should not be trying to compile it
[09:54] <ikonia> shadeslayer: bravo
[09:54] <onebitX> [10:39:49] < ikonia> onebitX: ok.....so...........deal with it ?
[09:54] <ikonia> onebitX: I've given you the answer 2 times
[09:54] <ikonia> onebitX: shadeslayer has just provided the exact location
[09:54] <onebitX> shadeslayer: thanks
[09:54] <ikonia> onebitX: I've offered you advice that you are approachin this the wrong way
[09:54] <ikonia> approaching
[09:54] <shadeslayer> onebitX: okay so, first off, you need to understand how ui files work
[09:55] <shadeslayer> onebitX: the gist of it is, you use a GUI to place buttons and what not
[09:55] <onebitX> shadeslayer: do you have some links that explain it?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:55]  * shadeslayer looks
[09:55] <onebitX> shadeslayer: howver i am a rpogrammer, so i lnow what is gui
[09:56] <onebitX> Building CXX object kdeui/CMakeFiles/kdeui.dir/dialogs/kdeprintdialog.o
[09:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the file you searched for is a build artifact btw ... ui_*.* are the product of compiling .ui files :)
[09:56] <onebitX> he give ui_kcupsoptionspageswidget.h: No such file or directory
[09:56] <shadeslayer> onebitX: for starters, I recommend doing a sudo apt-get build-dep kde4libs
[09:56] <shadeslayer> that will install all the deps required to build KDE
[09:56] <shadeslayer> erm
[09:56] <shadeslayer> s/KDE/kde4libs/
[09:56] <shadeslayer> onebitX: http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7-snapshot/designer-using-a-ui-file.html
[09:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and FWIW I think #kde-devel is better suited
[10:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I was going to move the conversation there in a moment
[10:00] <ikonia> the url in the topic on kde-devel is good
[10:01] <shadeslayer> oh wow, didn't realize they linked to flossmanuals
[10:01] <shadeslayer> nice :-)
[10:02] <apachelogger> it's why one should have discussions in an appropriate channel :P
[10:03] <copacetic> So I just did a package update and now hulu says i need a newer version of flash, I tried the tgz from adobe and followed the instructions, I also tried rolling back the version in muon package manager but no luck, flash works on other sites, any suggestions?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> onebitX: like apachelogger said, let's move to #kde-devel
[10:50] <weecol> hello every one
[10:51] <weecol> is there a source repositry and a funded source development project to work in.?
[10:52] <weecol> good morning
[10:53] <weecol> idletime
[10:54] <shadeslayer> weecol: sure, all the kde source code is hosted on projects.kde.org
[10:54] <shadeslayer> everything *buntu releated is hosted on launchpad.net
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:04] <m4dfry> hi all I need support
[12:04] <m4dfry> for steam install on muon software center
[13:58] <a2r> Hi, I have a weird problem. I was on my Ubuntu 12.04 installation and wanted to try the new KDE, so I installed it from kubuntu-ppa/backports and then my audio input was weirdly broken, so i removed it again, after a reboot the computer schows me only this http://i.imgur.com/bRgFmaY.jpg (last sentence is mountall: connection to plymouth closed. Does anybode have some tipps?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:59] <shadeslayer> a2r: can you press ctrl+alt+f1
[13:59] <a2r> yep i can get in a tty.
[13:59] <shadeslayer> awesome
[14:00] <shadeslayer> awesome, can you check you have kubuntu-desktop and kde-workspace-bin installed?
[14:01] <a2r> startx worked only the half way, i saw my wallpaper for loginscreen  and my mouse and then nothing happend and i tried to reinstall lightdm-gtk-greeter since i didn't nknow what plymouth is :P  didn't help either
[14:02] <shadeslayer> well .. please make sure you have kubuntu-desktop and kde-workspace-bin installed for starters
[14:02] <shadeslayer> because those are known packages that are apparently removed for no reason on upgrades
[14:02] <a2r> okay I'll try that but i have to reboot everytime so wait a minute
[14:02] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:02] <shadeslayer> you have reboot once you login?
[14:03] <a2r> i'm on anothter partition with a kubuntu 12.10 installed now :P it's a testpartition
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:12] <a2r> what was the name of the second package?
[14:13] <a2r> a got it, no it wasn't installed, but that was obvious while i uninstalled KDE before that happened
[14:16] <shadeslayer> a2r: kde-workspace-bin
[14:16] <a2r> shadeslayer: installing it again
[14:17] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:17] <a2r> but how can i remove KDE "safely"?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> a2 we're here to support kde , not remove it :)
[14:18] <BluesKaj> a2r, ^
[14:18] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:18] <a2r> BluesKaj: yeay I was supporting it to, remember the other day :P but it broke my input sound on my main installation :(
[14:18] <shadeslayer> a2r: I think if you remove kdelibs5* most of the stuff should go away
[14:19] <BluesKaj> a2r, that was the other day now you're asking to remove kde
[14:20] <BluesKaj> anyway ..I'll leave you to your devices
[14:20] <a2r> if i remember the good times i had, i think i have to do what a man has to do: I'll go and fix my sound!
[14:21] <a2r> okay it's finished with installing i try it again
[14:29] <a2r> shadeslayer: okay thanks, worked
[14:30] <shadeslayer> awesome
[14:30] <a2r> now wish me luck with my sound
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ok , upgraded my 12.10 install
[14:39] <mr0wl> how can i pull up konsole inside kate?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> mr0wl: F4 or sth like that
[14:47] <mr0wl> shadeslayer: F4 is for dolphin
[14:48] <shadeslayer> hmm .. no idea
[14:49] <a2r> mr0wl: go settings-> configure -> plugins (or extensions) and activate the terminal extension
[14:50] <a2r> that gives you a button at the bottom of the window
[14:50] <mr0wl> a2r: thanks!
[14:52] <a2r> are there any other ways of configuring the sound in KDE, then over the tray icon?
[14:52] <a2r> My mic is always to loud even when i turn the stream volumes to a minimum it distorts instantly
[14:53] <BluesKaj> odd , seems to me that terminal setting in kate used to be default iirc
[14:53] <mr0wl> yeah, that's what i though
[14:53] <mr0wl> thought*
[14:54] <BluesKaj> a2r, open alamixer in the terminal and find your mic ctrl , and turn it down to a reasonable level , that will depend a lot on the mic type
[14:55] <SimonJ57> Evening
[14:55] <BluesKaj> 'morning :)
[14:56] <a2r> BluesKaj: tried that too. BUT when i then touch the adjust thing in kmixer the mic boost in alsa jumps to the top in mix boost. and even if i let there everything on low and don't touch kmix it still distorts
[14:59] <BluesKaj> don't use the mic boost them , just the mic control
[14:59] <BluesKaj> thrn
[14:59]  * BluesKaj gives his phat phingers a rest
[15:02] <BluesKaj> mic boost is for certain types of mics with hi impedence a low output , usually not required for ordianry pc mics
[15:03] <a2r> lllllllllllike i said, i turn it completly down. it still distorts. and when i touch the kmixer the mic boost pulls itself up to the top again
[15:04] <BluesKaj> leave the kmix alone if you have the mic boost turned up  ...read what i p[osted above , a2r
[15:13] <SimonJ57> Anyone here know much about issues with Steam on linux here?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> SimonJ57: not really, there's #ubuntu-steam and the github steam tracker
[15:13] <james147> SimonJ57: It is better to ask the question you want to know the answer to rather then trying to look for people how may or may not know the answer
[15:14] <SimonJ57> shadeslayer: I'll look into it, cheers
[15:26] <sizz> anyone using steam and having sound problems who knows the correct work around?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> sizz, try asking in #ubuntu-steam
[15:29] <sizz> okay, thanks
[16:25] <qw> Good Evening People
[16:25] <qw> Please advise the program for the development of html pages
[16:25] <bazhang> !html | qw
[16:42] <nick_omega> i installed kubuntu 11.10 then updated everything and it froze during that process and wont re-enter the desktop even in recovery mode.  what's the best way to handle this
[16:44] <nick_omega> and it says now, root filesystem check failed
[16:45] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, after trying to boot what happens , blinking cursor on a black screen ?
[16:49] <nick_omega> BluesKaj i get a menu with several options.  ive tried 'regular' and 'recovery mode'
[16:49] <nick_omega> recovery mode gives me blinking cursor on blank screen
[16:50] <BluesKaj> ok that's the grub menu
[16:50] <BluesKaj> after booting from grub try ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 to get a TTY login , if successful , run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get-upgrade
[16:50] <nick_omega> regular mode says 'the disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present'
[16:54] <BluesKaj> ok your root partition is missing , looks like you may need try installing the OS again and this time make sure you crerate a / partition for the os , and optionally you can also create a /home partition for your data/files
[16:55] <nick_omega> BluesKaj i thought i chose the defaults which would include those options, hmm
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ok , did the HDD have any other OSs installed ?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, besides 11,10 is rather old , you should be installing 12.10 , it's the latest stable Kubuntu
[16:58] <nick_omega> BluesKaj im not trying to create a multiple os arrangement if thats what youre asking
[16:59] <nick_omega> the computer lacks some technology (it was built sometime between 2001-2003) and 12.10 said it couldnt install it
[17:00] <nick_omega> im going to look at installation again to try and tell you what i originally chose
[17:00] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, how much RAM and what's the cpu ?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> perhaps the 11.10 alternate install would be better
[17:01] <BluesKaj> !alternate | nick_omega
[17:03] <nick_omega> BluesKaj Pentium M 725 1.60GHz Processor, 2MB L2-Cache  and  512MB, 266MHz RAM
[17:03] <nick_omega> there may be more ram installed after purchase
[17:03] <nick_omega> i think i used 'guided - use entire disk' to let it do its own thing
[17:06] <BluesKaj> that's a pretty old pc alright ...be lucky to install kubuntu on it , think you'd be better looking at these , http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[17:06] <BluesKaj> http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Old+Computers
[17:07] <yofel> old or not, 12.04 might work on it. 12.10 indeed drops support for some older CPU's
[17:07] <nick_omega> BluesKaj it was installed, 11.10 that is.  it was decent.  just wonder if its going to freeze again
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ignore the first URL
[17:08] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, your cpu is fine , just eed some more memory , at least 1G and it would probly run fine
[17:11] <nick_omega> BluesKaj what version are you referencing
[17:12] <BluesKaj> as yofel mentioned , 12.04 would probly run ok
[17:14] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[17:24] <dblock_> is an experience linux user available to help troubleshoot an ethernet driver issue?
[17:26] <dblock_> is an experience linux user available to help troubleshoot an ethernet driver issue?
[17:27] <Obsidian1723> hey
[17:28] <Obsidian1723> ah you left. bummer dude,.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> no patiene
[17:28] <Obsidian1723> nope.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> patience rather
[17:28] <Obsidian1723> Hi.  can you help me? /quit
[17:28] <Obsidian1723> Suuuuuuuuuure I'll get right on that. ;)
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ahh the instant gratification generation
[17:29] <Obsidian1723> lke omfg u no i knt w8t @ all
[17:29] <Obsidian1723> Ever read the book "The Shallows"?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> nope
[17:30] <Obsidian1723> good read. Talks about how brains are rewired to shorter attention spans.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> I probly wouldn't finish it :)
[17:30] <Obsidian1723> We went from albums on vinyl > to cassettes > to CD > to single songs on iTunes. We went from Books to Blogs to MySpace/Facebook to Twitter.
[17:31] <Obsidian1723> Its on audio book. I "read" a lot of books that way while I'm drivi9ng.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> I didn't ..I still have vinyl and some cassettes hanging around ...most of my music is an external drive tho
[17:32] <BluesKaj> on
[17:34] <SonikkuAmerica> !u | lke omfg u no i knt w8t @ all
[17:34] <BluesKaj> my turntable isn't in use anymore tho , hasn't been turned on for many yrs now
[17:34] <nick_omega> what is the name of the dvd player for kubuntu that starts with a g?  having trouble finding it
[17:34] <SonikkuAmerica> nick_omega: In Software Center?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, what are you trying to do ?
[17:36] <nick_omega> i got it from muon package manager
[17:36] <nick_omega> last time
[17:36] <BluesKaj> SonikkuAmerica, he was just joking ..I hope you were too :)
[17:36] <nick_omega> but doesnt come up with a simple 'dvd' search term today
[17:37] <SonikkuAmerica> nick_omega: GNOME mplayer??
[17:37] <nick_omega> no..
[17:37] <IdleOne> SonikkuAmerica: obfuscated swearing is not allowed in *buntu channels.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> usually it's /dev/cdrom  or /dev/sr0 ...where are you looking ?
[17:38] <SonikkuAmerica> IdleOne: Sorry, was quoting Obsidian. (Re: the !u)
[17:38] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, ^
[17:39] <SonikkuAmerica> IdleOne: I'm typically genial enough not to swear; when I do, I'm quoting someone else. Never anywhere in Freenode typically, but... <EOD>
[17:49] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, if you want support ..tell us what you are doing and in which OS .
[17:53] <nick_omega> BluesKaj do you support 11?
[17:54] <nick_omega> i want a list of all dvd players, like dragon player, xine
[17:54] <nick_omega> etc
[17:54] <bazhang> !players | nick_omega
[17:54] <BluesKaj> vlc usually will work on most '
[17:54] <genii-around> I prefer VLC also
[17:55] <BluesKaj> mplayer in a pinch , altho it's full screen option doesn't always work
[17:59] <nick_omega> i dont see why when i type 'dvd' or 'xine' into the filter in muon package manager in 11.10 it is blank below even when i have 'all categories' selected
[17:59] <shadeslayer> is xine a player?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> I thought xine was a multimedia backend
[17:59] <nick_omega> i type 'vlc' and there are no results
[18:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, there's "gxine" as a player frontend
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> nick_omega: VLC is in Muon Software Center.
[18:01] <DarthFrog> shadeslayer:  Yes, xine is a player.
[18:01] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:01] <shadeslayer> interesting
[18:01] <OerHeks> nick_omega, did you add kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> didn't know :)
[18:01] <yofel> hm, oh right, I forgot about xine-ui
[18:02] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, make sure you have all the repositories enabled in muon and also install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:12] <nick_omega> i think it was 'gxine' i was looking for
[18:12] <nick_omega> fwiw
[18:13] <nick_omega> will vlc better overcome 'encrypted or faulty dvd' errors?
[18:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I can't guarantee that it will (I'm not on the VLC team) but hopefully it should.
[18:16] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras , and take a look at the medibiuntu repository
[18:16] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[18:19] <BluesKaj> nick_omega, you can rid yourself of those encrypted or faulty dvd' errors , if you install the medibuntu packages
[18:26] <nick_omega> medibuntu is best acquired where and by what means?  website?  packman?
[18:27] <Obsidian1723> repo
[18:28] <Obsidian1723> I use this script actually.....
[18:28] <Obsidian1723> # Medibuntu
[18:28] <Obsidian1723> sudo -E wget --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/$(lsb_release -cs).list && sudo apt-get --quiet update && sudo apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get --quiet update
[18:28] <FloodBotK1> Obsidian1723: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:28] <nick_omega> Obsidian1723 nice
[18:28] <Obsidian1723> It's part of a larger script I use.
[18:29] <bazhang> http://packages.medibuntu.org/quantal/libdvdcss2.html   nick_omega this single package, no need for the repo at all
[18:29] <Obsidian1723> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/914191/install-script/install-script-lite.sh
[18:29] <Obsidian1723> thats the whole thing if you're interested.
[18:34] <murthy> apachelogger: are you still working on qt desktop components?
[18:34] <apachelogger> I never worked on qt desktop components
[18:34] <nick_omega> bazhang going with that
[18:34] <murthy> apachelogger: but i saw a copyright of yours?
[18:35] <nick_omega> anyone ever see the stretched out font border atop windows - clearly a graphic problem... and know how to fix
[18:35] <apachelogger> yeah, I usually create free software, so anyway may use my copyrighted work elsewhere...
[18:35] <apachelogger> s/anyway/anyone
[18:36] <murthy> apachelogger: in the a combobox class?
[18:37] <apachelogger> no clue what you are talking about
[18:37] <murthy> apachelogger: nm, can we use qt desktop components in dragon player 3?
[18:38] <apachelogger> that entirely depends on when the components will get a stable release and when the dragon3 will get a stable release
[18:39] <murthy> apachelogger: stable= 1.0 or 1.1 ?
[18:40] <apachelogger> whatever the respective developers call stable
[18:45] <nick_omega> theres no volume control icon on taskbar, how can i add that to desktop
[18:45] <nick_omega> at very least
[18:47] <murthy> nick_omega: hi
[18:47] <murthy> nick_omega: can you check if the "kmix" process is running?
[18:48] <nick_omega> murthy sure
[18:48] <nick_omega> one moment
[18:49] <nick_omega> anyone have any idea what im talking about regarding the messed up video on top of every window
[18:49] <nick_omega> err messed up text
[18:49] <koffel> i am thinking i doing this wrong this my specs 8 gigs ram 256 sdd running 32 bit?
[18:50] <koffel> should i have swap?
[18:50] <murthy> nick_omega: can you paste a snapshot here?
[18:51] <murthy> koffel: 256 what?
[18:51] <koffel> gigs
[18:51] <koffel> ssd hard drive space
[18:52] <murthy> koffel: do you have games or app that require more than 8 gbs of ram
[18:52] <koffel> nope
[18:52] <murthy> koffel: in that case you don't need swap
[18:53] <murthy> koffel: I am having 4 gb of ram and i don't use swap
[18:53] <koffel> okay it a 32 bit system can i use a server image on it
[18:53] <koffel> is there a easy way to turn off swap?
[18:53] <murthy> koffel: in that case you are in trouble
[18:54] <koffel> muthy why is that?
[18:54] <murthy> koffel: with a 32 bit OS you can't use more than 3.XX gbs of ram
[18:54] <koffel> that odd
[18:54] <murthy> koffel: you need a 64 bit OS to use the full 8 gb ram
[18:55] <koffel> because it sees all 8 gigs
[18:56] <murthy> koffel: can you paste the output of this command "sudo lsb_release -a" use paste.kde.org
[18:56] <murthy> nick_omega: what happened?
[18:57] <nick_omega> murthy must go, sry
[18:59] <koffel> http://paste.kde.org/673046/
[19:09] <murthy> koffel: what is the physical ram availability shown in ksysguard?
[19:09] <koffel> 8003
[19:10] <murthy> koffel: i guess pae should be enabled
[19:10] <koffel> yeah it is
[19:10] <murthy> koffel: ok, so you dont need to use a swap
[19:11] <koffel> is there a safe way to turn it off
[19:12] <murthy> koffel: ya, use this command "sudo swapoff -a"
[19:12] <murthy> koffel: are you new to ubuntu/kubuntu?
[19:13] <koffel> that make it always off
[19:13] <koffel> yeah
[19:14] <murthy> koffel: type in the terminal "man swapoff" to get the details of the command . Press 'q' to quit the document
[19:15] <murthy> koffel: there are two thing you have to know
[19:15] <murthy> koffel: one is you have to use my nick to get a faster response here
[19:15] <murthy> koffel: to use my nick press 'm' and the press tab
[19:16] <koffel> ok
[19:17] <murthy> koffel: another thing is after asking you question for the first time you have to wait till you get an answer and that may take a long time until someone comes across your question
[19:17] <murthy> koffel: patience is a must
[19:17] <koffel> murthy thank you for info
[19:18] <murthy> koffel: most of your doubts can be solved by searching here , incase you run out of patience
[19:18] <murthy> koffel: any a warm welcome to you
[19:20] <murthy> koffel: most of your doubts can be solved by searching here , incase you run out of patience. here= http://askubuntu.com
[20:38] <SterkaSor> hi which muon version will be avaible for kubuntu 13.04?
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Hold on, I'll look that up for you.
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> (I have 13.04)
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> It will be version 1.9.8
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> *1.9.80
[20:42] <SterkaSor> SonikkuAmerica: thx mate.
[20:43] <shadeslayer> !info muon
[20:43] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:43] <shadeslayer> !info muon raring
[20:43] <SonikkuAmerica> So yeah, same version as quantal (for now)
[20:43] <shadeslayer> uh
[20:43] <shadeslayer> not the same version as quantal
[20:44] <shadeslayer> Quantal has 1.4.1 , raring will have 1.9.80 ( or above )
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, excuse me. I didn't look at the other !info command you posted.
[20:45] <SonikkuAmerica> 13.04 currently has 1.9.80 but the next tag is 2/28 (28 Feb) so it may or may not be pushed in the next maintenance release (in March)
[20:47] <SonikkuAmerica> You know you can get KDE SC 4.10 in Quantal (and Precise) right?
[20:47] <SonikkuAmerica> It is a backport, however, so watch out.
[20:57] <easypeesy> hi
[21:01] <TheKing> I got a bouncy ball problem.
[21:02] <TheKing> Anyone there?
[21:08] <rosco_y> I'm unsure how to tell Back In Time where to save snapshots, can you help me?  http://imagebin.org/246987
[21:10] <rosco_y> TheKing, what seems to be the problem?
[22:09] <rosco_y>  I'm unsure how to tell Back In Time where to save snapshots, can you help me?  http://imagebin.org/246987
[22:20] <rosco_y> Can I install Tomboy Notes in kubuntu 12.10?
[22:24] <Obsidian1723> I don't see why not
[22:31] <BluesKaj> rosco_y,  Tomboy is in the repos / package manager
[22:32] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: Thank you.  Do I have to add something to my software sources?
[22:34] <jerome_> well I have not seen while long time
[22:34] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, don't think so look in muon for reference
[22:34] <jerome_> KDE is very nice
[22:38] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, , you'll be installing a few gtk libs , if that doesn't bother you then it should run fine
[22:41] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: I understand the GTK requirements--Tomboy is my connection to things like schedules, so I'd bend over backwards before I give up on it--thank you again!
[22:42] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, there is akde alternative called basket , but dunno how good it is
[22:42] <rosco_y> There it, just as you said :)
[22:43] <rosco_y> maybe it's worth a look, I'll take a minute to research :)
[22:43] <rosco_y> anything that helps to keep me organized is nothing short of amazing
[22:44] <rosco_y> woa, I do like basket's tree-style organization on the left, I'm giving it a whirl!
[22:45] <rosco_y> I can always uninstall if it comes down to that....
[22:45] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, dunno if it links as well to windows tomboy if you need that
[22:46] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: only time will tell :))
[22:46] <BluesKaj> yup :-)
[22:49] <rosco_y> Oh, I am so glad you told me about basket, todo lists and sub-baskets, links and it's just too good to be true--it's exactly what  I need.
[22:49] <rosco_y> so long, I can't stand being this sappy for this long.....
[22:54] <BluesKaj> ok time for dinner ... later
[23:14] <rdccc> kfilebox(dropbox) kubuntu 12.04, which would be the best version to install
[23:49] <Panche> hello, Anyone here? I'm having an issue with my webcam.. I'ts recognized, but shows a black screen
[23:49] <Panche> before, it worked fine, but this week it stopped working
[23:50] <Obsidian1723> probably flash
[23:50] <Obsidian1723> ?
[23:50] <Panche> i go to the audio/video configuration
[23:50] <Panche> and the camera is like disabled
[23:50] <Panche> i can see it, but cannot change it's configuration
[23:51] <Panche> Obsidian1723: Do you mean that flash may be affecting the webcam configuration ?
[23:53] <Obsidian1723> It may, I heard spomething about an issue with flash and 12.04
[23:53] <Obsidian1723> Not sure what thiought since mine is working
[23:53] <Panche> maybe a gstream issue?
[23:54] <Obsidian1723> not sure. check the launchpad bugs
[23:58] <Panche> cheking Obsidian1723, thanks..


[08:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: you can try daily builds already
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: but alpha is end december
[13:15] <Kartagis> lotuspsychje: there was a discussion in a FB group and someone was claiming they installed 16.04 alpha, that's why I asked
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: not alpha, just early stage now, but it can be installed nicely
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: im running it also
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: if you like testing and bughunting in early stage, try and install :p
[13:18] <Kartagis> yea, my dayjob includes bughunting, but I don't want to risk it
[13:29] <lordievader> Yes, it ain't recommended to install Xenial on a production machine.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


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[11:47] <schopin> ^ Could the previous hibagent upload for focal be dropped in favor of this one? There was a small version numbering issue.
[11:49] <AlsoItzSwirlz> it will be known as.. the mantic! (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/mantic)
[11:49] <AlsoItzSwirlz> Is it me or does it feel like these codenames are getting more epic?
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[18:59] <akgraner> internalkernel, hey I answered your email to the list
[19:00] <akgraner> I think we could talk live CD's and raid all the stores in Asheville and run System Test on them from the liveCD's and see if they are ubuntu friendly
[19:00] <akgraner> :-)
[19:00] <akgraner> now that would be a fun day of Jamming :-)
[19:01] <internalkernel> lol... sounds good to me, what was this talk of BBQ?
[19:01] <akgraner> Oh everyone can come to my house
[19:01] <akgraner> I'll cook some BBQ and we can drink and geek out on Ubuntu all day
[19:02] <internalkernel> lol! nice... you had me at drink.  :D
[19:02] <akgraner> you know slow cooked pulled pork to go with wiki pages, unity bugs, and ubuntu friendly
[19:02] <internalkernel> totally... along with a good milk stout... mmmm...
[19:02] <internalkernel> :P
[19:03] <akgraner> I'll make it an all day long event - so people who have to drive (Like you all in Asheville) won't have to show up for an hour then leave...
[19:03] <akgraner> like 9-6 or something
[19:03] <akgraner> what do you think?
[19:03] <akgraner> Ubuntu Global Jam at the Graner's
[19:04] <internalkernel> I figure that could work... me and holstein (if he can make it) could probably car pool...
[19:04] <internalkernel> otherwise as long as it's on a weekend... my schedule is good.
[19:05] <akgraner> sweet...
[19:06] <akgraner> I think the kids are going to have some of there friends dropping in and out b/c they don't believe Pete and I work (since we work from home when we aren't traveling- and we can introduce them to Ubuntu :-)
[19:06] <internalkernel> on the other hand - the local LUG gets a decent turnout, so I would imagine we might get an equally impressive turnout for an "Ubuntu" event...
[19:06] <internalkernel> lol...
[19:06] <akgraner> either is fine with me - the LUG group can be invited too
[19:06] <internalkernel> I don't work unless I travel either... as far as anyone else can tell.
[19:06] <akgraner> lol
[19:07] <internalkernel> oh, I was thinking - and holstein could probably chime in on this - that we might get a better turn out if we plan it at Firestorm... however, the draw of a home style BBQ... is... well... preferred  :)
[19:08] <internalkernel> my preference will always be with food and drink... but I thought I should bring that side of it up too.
[19:08] <akgraner> I am cool with it - since I am the only one out here in no man's land - I can head y'alls way
[19:08] <akgraner> it's an easy drive
[19:11] <akgraner> internalkernel, you and holstein talk about it and let me know - as much as I'd love to have you all at the house - if Firestorm will draw a bigger and more diverse crowd then I'm all for there
[19:12] <internalkernel> I'll leave it up to holstein... since my decision would be biased for the bbq... ;)
[19:21] <BugeyeD> there's a chance i could make it out sometime that weekend. food and drink sound great. but not necessarily in that order.
[19:22] <BugeyeD> haven't been to asheville in, uh, probably 10 years. no idea about firestorm.
[19:22] <BugeyeD> still have at least one outstanding ubuntu bug plagueing my laptop. it's related to the intel video.
[19:23] <BugeyeD> and a new (to me) bug that prevents a flatpanel monitor from displaying anything until the boot is complete. not even the grub menu will show (signal frequencies out of range).
[19:25] <akgraner> BugeyeD, did you file a bug?  I haven't heard about that one
[19:27] <BugeyeD> the intel/laptop issue was already filed. the other one i haven't looked for yet - just found the issue last night. and i'm working today, so ... but i do plan to look for it, and assume it's already been filed as well because there's no way i'm the only one seeing something like this.
[19:27] <akgraner> we has some issues with dual monitors and Unity 11.10 earlier
[19:27] <BugeyeD> my issues are with 11.04, haven't looked at 11.10.
[19:27] <akgraner> ahhh
[19:28] <BugeyeD> one is a customer machine, so i'm not excited about installing beta (or alpha) software.
[19:28] <akgraner> my primary machine is still 11.04 but I have a netbook with 11.10
[19:28] <akgraner> alpha 3 right now
[19:28] <akgraner> feature freeze was last week
[19:29] <BugeyeD> my primary machine is still 10.10. :) the dual monitor config has been a bear to fix following upgrades, so i dread doing it.
[19:29] <akgraner> ewww - I wouldn't be excited either - I take it it's a production machine
[19:29] <BugeyeD> just a desktop, but that's "production" for them. otherwise the video part wouldn't matter, as i tend to disable graphical stuff on the servers.
[19:32] <akgraner> yeah - I usually upgrade at Alpha 3 but I'm holding off right now
[19:36] <BugeyeD> looks similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/781308
[22:59] <holstein> internalkernel akgraner
[22:59] <holstein> im reading the scroll back
[23:00] <holstein> im checking my calendar...
[23:00] <holstein> is it that whole weekend?
[23:00] <holstein> 2-4?
[23:01] <holstein> right now, im off on the 2nd (in the evening)
[23:01] <internalkernel> I think its at some point therein... that was my understanding
[23:01] <internalkernel> maybe like sat afternoon
[23:01] <holstein> saturday is going to be busy
[23:01] <holstein> we have the LUG already that day
[23:01] <holstein> we could just do something for the UGJ there
[23:02] <internalkernel> lmao... I totally forgot...
[23:02] <holstein> and something else more official too
[23:02] <holstein> im fairly open sunday too
[23:02] <internalkernel> it does happen to coincide...
[23:02] <internalkernel> likewise... we could separate them out
[23:02] <holstein> yup
[23:03] <holstein> i can just mention it at the LUG
[23:03] <holstein> i have a concert anyways
[23:03] <holstein> not sure when i need to leave
[23:03] <holstein> im about to 'put my thing down'
[23:03] <holstein> its one of those prjects that just keeps asking for things from me
[23:03] <holstein> 1st is was a short set at 3pm
[23:03] <holstein> then, it got moved to 1:15
[23:04] <holstein> then the "can we rehearse"
[23:04] <holstein> then, we need to be there at noon?
[23:04] <holstein> that aint right...


[11:07] <SiDi> MacSlow: hiya
[11:08] <SiDi> When a defaults value is out of bounds, should i : 1) return without changing anything | 2) set to default | 3) set to nearest bound ?
[11:08] <SiDi> (4) segfault :P)
[11:52] <MacSlow> SiDi, no crashers please :)
[11:53] <MacSlow> SiDi, just spit out a waring on stdout (e.g. g_warning()) and don't change anything
[11:55] <MacSlow> SiDi, it's debatable if you set it to the lowest possbile value if it was attempted be set lower (or the hightest possible value if it was attempted to be set higher)
[11:56] <MacSlow> SiDi, not changing anything and just spitting out a warning on stdout is the safest path
[11:58] <SiDi> MacSlow: okey
[13:26]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[13:48] <SiDi> Purely rethorical question : if i know the data given to a function is ALWAYS good (i test that it'll be good before using it), shall i remove error checking code after i called this function ?
[15:52] <mac_v> djsiegel1: djsiegel3 https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/340996/comments/13
[15:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 340996 in hundredpapercuts "Notifications should stay on screen longer when there is a lot of text" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:53] <djsiegel3> mac_v yes I saw
[15:55] <MacSlow> djsiegel3, mac_v: I'm pedantic there... but it's a fact... not really a bug fulfilling the papercut-requirements as the involved work is considerable.
[15:56] <djsiegel3> MacSlow: really?
[15:56] <mac_v> djsiegel3: next cycle ,how about minimizing the number of papercuts and expanding the scope?
[15:56] <djsiegel3> it's not just length (message) * MILLISECONDS_PER_CHAR ?
[15:56] <djsiegel3> mac_v, what do you mean?
[15:56] <djsiegel3> expanding the scopr
[15:56] <djsiegel3> you mean, changing the definition of a paper cut to include more things?
[15:57] <mac_v> djsiegel1: like reducing number <100, and taking on bigger bugs?
[15:57] <djsiegel3> like, why don't we just say paper cut = any bug and fix 20 of them? :)
[15:57] <mac_v> djsiegel3: not any bug , but bug with usability issues
[15:58] <MacSlow> djsiegel3, started to work on it (preparing notify-osd with some refactoring) but some priority-shifts have me currently working on another thing in notify-osd
[15:58] <djsiegel3> MacSlow, I'm curious because I wrote a notifications API in GNOME Do for plugins and did time calculations like that based on message length
[15:58] <djsiegel3> it was very simple
[15:58] <djsiegel3> longer messages stayed on screen longer
[15:59] <mac_v> djsiegel3: some usability issues are not pushed since they are a little bigger to fix , like for example the click to rename
[15:59] <MacSlow> djsiegel3 you're formatting, layouting and special cases were not as complex as in the notify-osd spec I imagine
[15:59] <djsiegel3> certainly
[16:00] <djsiegel3> mac_v, that should be a separate project maybe/
[16:00] <djsiegel3> maybe we could do 50 paper cuts, and 10 usability bugs
[16:00] <mac_v> djsiegel3: yeah, that would be good
[16:01] <mac_v> djsiegel3: i fear we'll run out of *minor* things to fix in 2 cycles ;)
[16:01] <djsiegel3> mac_v we can always make more buggy software
[16:01] <mac_v> lol
[16:59] <SiDi> djsiegel3: its true you need to take into account updates + appends + priority of bubbles in the stack
[16:59] <SiDi> + summer holidays :P
[17:00] <djsiegel3> SiDi: and leap years
[17:00] <SiDi> and angriness of kittens in your direct environment.
[17:00] <SiDi> ..no ?
[17:58] <SiDi> MacSlow: any g_warning makes a test fail, right ?
[17:58] <MacSlow> depends on G_DEBUG
[17:58] <MacSlow> afaik
[17:59] <SiDi> i'm running into a very stupid situation
[17:59] <MacSlow> use g_print()
[17:59] <SiDi> i'm trying to set font size to a negative value, my setter of course doesnt modify the value, but it g_warns about the out-of-bound
[18:01] <MacSlow> SiDi, try G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals ./test-modules -p /defaults
[18:01] <MacSlow> that should not make g_warning() abort the test
[18:13] <MacSlow> apparently not
[18:13] <MacSlow> hm...
[18:13] <MacSlow> stick to g_print then


[01:24] <rsalveti> amelim: did you change the x-loader binary to be the one compatible with overo?
[01:24] <rsalveti> just to be sure
[01:24] <rsalveti> it seems that no display is recognized, and that's why X can't start itself
[09:21] <hrw> morning
[09:21] <fairuz> hrw: morning
[10:07] <ogra> janimo, is your local sfdisk lucid ?
[10:07] <ogra> (note that the build server runs lucid, if you test such changes you should use a chroot)
[10:08] <dcordes_> morning
[10:14] <janimo> ogra, natty
[10:14] <ogra> yeah, thought so
[10:14] <ogra> it probably behaves differently between natty and lucid
[10:14] <ogra> but your partition table is created fine as the log shows
[10:15] <janimo> ogra, I have no idea of the builds systems internal operations so my patch was best effort and Works For Me
[10:15] <ogra> the error message about the missing table is normal
[10:15] <janimo> sure
[10:15] <ogra> you could just add an || true ;)
[10:15] <ogra> then set -e wont break on it
[10:20] <janimo> ogra, so on lucid sfdisk actually returns non-0 there?
[10:20] <ogra> no idea
[10:20] <janimo> I put an echo $? after that line and it was 0
[10:21] <janimo> if that is ocnfirmed than indeed || true is a workaround
[10:21] <ogra> i guess its simply that it outputs to stderr
[10:21] <janimo> but set -e does care about exit code only
[10:21] <ogra> the original line redirects both, stderr and stdout to null
[10:21] <janimo> can I log in and try a build on the server?
[10:21] <janimo> I cannot debug easily this way
[10:22] <ogra> i dont think you can if you arent in the cdimage team
[10:23] <janimo> ah, the team I woved to avoid being tricked into joining
[10:23] <janimo> ok
[10:23] <ogra> with a lucid chroot on an x86 machine you should have the same setup ... though note that builds dont run as root
[10:24] <janimo> ogra, does the script behave the same otherwise?
[10:24] <janimo> is it the same as inthe public bzr branch?
[10:26] <janimo> ogra, ah, I completely missed the >/dev/null thing. Even after being told before
[10:26] <janimo> that may be it
[10:26] <janimo> I coudl only test this by pasting bits of the script locally somehow that poart gt dropped
[10:26] <janimo> even if this is not the cause of the bug it still needs to be there for consistency
[10:28] <ogra> right
[10:28] <ogra> though i would suspect its the cause
[10:49] <ogra> janimo, for headless you will also need a line in debian-cd Makefile
[10:51] <ogra> in tools/boot/natty/common.sh too
[10:51] <ogra> (not that important since we dont use preseeding (yet))
[11:05] <lool> janimo, ogra: Ah you folks are reviewing the debian-cd changes?
[11:06] <ogra> lool, yes, i'm actually integrating them atm, needs a bunch of additional changes
[11:07] <lool> Ok; I was about to review it, but I see Michael applied, and then revertede
[11:07] <lool> And you seem to be reviewing
[11:07] <ogra> lool, oh, that change
[11:08] <ogra> yeah, he blindly applied and ran a testbuild
[11:08] <ogra> then reverted when it failed
[11:09] <ogra> lool, i'm on the headless image changes, not the partition alignment ones
[11:12] <lool> Oh actually I thought I had written parts of tools/boot/*/post-boot-armel+omap, but I did not
[11:12] <lool> There are some oddities there
[11:14] <ogra> lool, tell me
[11:15] <lool> it mixes bc and $(()) for computation, there is no check on data overlaps
[11:16] <ogra> h, te mix is likely because two persons worked on it
[11:16] <lool> This might give rounding errors:
[11:16] <lool> IMG_SIZE_BLOCKS="$((($BOOT_SIZE + $IMAGE_SIZE + 512 - 1) / 512))"
[11:16] <lool> It's ok because BOOT_SIZE is a multiple of 512, but would it not be, it would give a too small number
[11:16] <ogra> we never had any since lucid
[11:17] <ogra> the script is two releases old already, it has at least no blocker bugs ...
[11:17] <lool> In janimo's changes, I preferred 0x0C and ",,,-" instead of "C" and ",+" but that's cosmetic
[11:18] <ogra> well, janimo's changes fail atm
[11:18] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/577608/
[11:18] <ogra> i suspect its simply because the sfdisk output of stderr isnt redirected
[11:19] <lool> ah there is a bug
[11:19] <lool> Hmm
[11:20] <lool> ogra: This seems like fdisk failing to me
[11:20] <lool> Probably because it's confused
[11:20] <ogra> well, it creates the part table
[11:20] <ogra> which looks fine in the output
[11:21] <ogra> imho its just ignorable
[11:21] <lool> Yes, but it wont help your failure
[11:21] <lool> I'd rather keep the stderr/stdout output
[11:21] <ogra> and add || true ?
[11:21] <lool> You can pass -L to sfdisk to avoid some warnings
[11:21] <lool> ogra: I don't think sfdisk fails
[11:22] <ogra> but sfdisk is the only thing that changed
[11:22] <lool> Hmm I wonder if this is because it's a sparse file
[11:22] <ogra> yes
[11:23] <ogra> the error it spills about the missing partition table is normal
[11:23] <ogra> i really think its set -e thats stops it because there is output on stderr
[11:25] <lool> sfdisk doesn't fail for me here
[11:25] <lool> I tried running the commands locally
[11:25] <lool> I did get BLKRRPART: Ioctl() inappropré pour un périphérique
[11:26] <lool> with -L I avoid the warning: Warning: partition 1 does not end at a cylinder boundary
[11:26] <lool> ogra: set -e doesn't care about stderr
[11:27] <ogra> are you sure ? i know it doesnt in bash, how about dash ?
[11:27] <lool> VATSIZE gets set to 73696+
[11:27] <lool> that's bogus
[11:28] <lool> problem is that all commands are silenced, so you don't see the actual errors
[11:28] <lool> the problem is with the mkdosfs call failing
[11:29] <lool> It fails because VATSIZE is set to 73696+ instead of 73696 or so
[11:29] <ogra> hmm, yeah
[11:30] <lool> So the issues are a) fdisk output is in cylinders, that is not suited for partitions not aligned to cylinders as is the case here
[11:30] <lool> You can use fdisk -u to use sectors instead (but of course you need to multiply the size)
[11:31] <lool> b) all commands are run with stderr closed, which makes it hard to see failures or to debug
[11:31] <lool> c) mixture of sfdisk, parted, and fdisk
[11:31] <ogra> i wouldnt call c an issue :)
[11:32] <lool> This is definitely shooting yourself in the foot IMO
[11:32] <ogra> well, then everything would have to be sfdisk, the other two dont provide the needed felxibility
[11:33] <lool> ogra: Yes I'm sure about stderr and set -e  :-)  this is POSIX; search for errexit in the dash man page to get a description of how set -e works
[11:33] <janimo> lool, I put C instead of 0xC as that was in manpage examples too (it said those numbers are hex) but I agree it is cosmetic and I am fine either way
[11:33] <ogra> beyond that we dont know if the code works at all yet, it needs to be generic enough to not break the ROM code if you dd the image to a totally random SD
[11:33] <lool> janimo: I find it confusing if the part id is "12", so I prefer always prefixing hex with 0x
[11:34] <lool> So I've worked recently on the OMAP boot layout
[11:34] <lool> I can say that you're not checking for a possible error condition
[11:34] <lool> I don't have OMAP4, so I don't know whether OMAP4 ROMS are affected
[11:34] <lool> But OMAP3 ROMs are
[11:35] <lool> if the boot partition (first fat partition with bootable flag set => your first partition) has an odd number of sectors, the ROM can't read MLO from it and fails
[11:35] <lool> this is unrelated to placement
[11:35] <lool> Just size
[11:35] <lool> Basically size needs to be a multiple of 1KiB on OMAP3 for MLO to be picked up
[11:35] <ogra> i think the rom code looks at CHS though
[11:35] <lool> No
[11:35] <lool> It does not
[11:35] <ogra> hmm, i thought TI told me so
[11:36] <ogra> at least for omap3
[11:36] <lool> which is the other think I was going to suggest: if you don't care about support for older x-loader, then I wouldn't worry about 255/63; you could use 128/32 for instance, and that would avoid the warnings
[11:36] <lool> ogra: The only piece of code which I've found to care about the CHS was x-loader, and this was in old version of x-loader; in fact, it didn't really care about CHS
[11:37] <lool> It hardcoded the vfat partition to be at +63s (start at sector 63)
[11:37] <ogra> right
[11:37] <ogra> i thought the rom code had the same to find x-loader
[11:37] <lool> I don't think you have any x-loader in OMAP4, and you don't care since you're providing x-loader anyway
[11:37] <lool> I can say that the x-loader in maverick for instance was still broken
[11:37] <ogra> we indeed do have x-loader in omap4
[11:37] <lool> so for Linaro, I keep support for creating the boot partition at +63s just for maverick images
[11:38] <lool> So I'm pretty sure your images wont boot on OMAP3
[11:38] <ogra> and we do care about older ones since we provide upgrade capability nowadays
[11:38] <lool> I can't say for OMAP4, would love to know
[11:38] <ogra> or rather we do care about older partitioning with newer code
[11:39] <ogra> we dont care about old code with new partitioning
[11:39] <lool> aligning at 4 MiB means that the start sector is even, while the boot partition's start sector is odd (63) so it's guaranteed that your boot partition, if it goes up to the rootfs, will be an odd number of sectors
[11:39] <lool> ogra: What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter because you provide MLO in your images
[11:39] <lool> It's only relevant if you're providing a broken old NLO
[11:39] <lool> MLO
[11:39] <lool> but I would hope you have a new x-loader at this point
[11:39] <ogra> which is the case for pre-XM beagles
[11:40] <ogra> since they ship MLO in nand which is relevant for first boot
[11:40] <ogra> not so much afterwards anymore though
[11:43] <lool> ogra: But do they read MLO from SD or from NAND when SD is available?
[11:45] <lool> janimo: Didn't hear much from you, did the above make any sense?
[11:45] <ogra> they read MLO from nand, then read u-boot from nand and then try to read boot.scr from sd
[11:46] <lool> Then the question is which MLO version they have in NAND
[11:46] <lool> Well actually it doesn't matter
[11:46] <lool> since they read u-boot from NAND too
[11:46] <lool> and u-boot isn't affected
[11:48] <ogra> well, someone should merge it with the fixes and do a testbuild
[11:48] <ogra> i'm still concerned about having enough testing with random SD cards though
[11:49] <lool> I don't see how it relates
[11:49] <ogra> the existing code is proven to work with any SD card today, i dont want to lose that capability
[11:49] <ogra> because our image isnt aligned at all to the hardware
[11:50] <ogra> i dont trust the TI rom code until i have enough test data
[11:50] <lool> I don't understand what you mean
[11:50] <lool> like SanDisk versus Patriot etc.?
[11:50] <janimo> lool, yes the above makes sense
[11:50] <ogra> the image isnt aligned to any actual CHS value of the HW
[11:50] <janimo> I'll try to make some more tests locally
[11:51] <ogra> that only happens during jasper repartitioning
[11:51] <lool> ogra: Uh the hardware doesn't have any CHS
[11:51] <janimo> I did not look into changing fdisk parted to keep the diff small but apparently that is not enough
[11:51] <lool> ogra: CHS is a concept related to the format of the partition table, it dates from the 70s or so
[11:51] <ogra> i know
[11:51] <lool> but the SD card only sees reads and writes at various offsets
[11:51] <ogra> i'm talking about the rom code
[11:52] <ogra> i know you said above that it shouldnt care about CHS
[11:52] <ogra> but io really only trust that after i have seen testing data
[11:52] <janimo> the info above is more than I could find on various omap wikis
[11:52] <janimo> I was also under the impression it needs VFAT starting at 63 and that is 'somehow' cares about old style CHS
[11:52] <lool> janimo: I gathered it in my brain with a lot of pain over the last year  :-)  it's also in the linaro-image-tools' comments
[11:53] <lool> I wish we had some boot design documents for boards/SoCs
[11:53] <janimo> lool, actually the comments in the script still state that :)
[11:53] <ogra> the rom code is a super fragile pile of possible errors, that scares me, today we have a working concept which i dont want to risk
[11:53] <lool> janimo: You might be looking at the packaged version
[11:53] <lool> janimo: the one in bzr is very different
[11:53] <ogra> thats why i want to see test data before saying we make the new code our default
[11:53] <janimo> lool the public bzr branch
[11:53] <janimo> OMAP3 requires very specific CHS partitioning that can't easy be done with parted
[11:53] <janimo> so we'll use sfdisk to properly make the necessary partition layout
[11:54] <lool> janimo: yup, the main lp:linaro-image-tools one
[11:54] <janimo> by specific I assumed it meant the 255/63/10
[11:54] <lool> janimo: I don't think OMAP3 requires any CHS partitioning
[11:54] <lool> It's just these two limitations I mentioned
[11:54] <janimo> lool, not the image crate tool, the debian-cd scrip6t I modified has this comment
[11:54] <ogra> lool, linaro-image-tools operates on hardware (existing SD cards), no ?
[11:54] <lool> the documentation which states that you have to use 255/63 is just to allow creating the boot partition at +63s
[11:54] <lool> janimo: Oh ok
[11:55] <lool> janimo: Yeah, that's likely; it's what all the wikis say, but it's just completely wrong historical assumptions  :-)
[11:55] <lool> ogra: I don't understand the Q.
[11:55] <janimo> " the first primary partition must contain a FAT32 partition formatted with 255 heads and 63 sectors"
[11:55] <lool> ogra: you can write image files or straight to SD
[11:55] <janimo> omapzoom wiki
[11:55] <janimo> maybe not the most authoritative sources I admit
[11:55] <lool> janimo: Yeah, that's bullshit  :-)
[11:55] <janimo> but the only ones I could find
[11:55] <ogra> lool, files that work on every SD card i dd them to ?
[11:56] <lool> It's very hard to get the straight dope on how the SoCs boot like
[11:56] <janimo> ok
[11:56] <lool> ogra: Sure, well it wont boot an imx51 with an OMAP image
[11:56] <lool> :-)
[11:56] <ogra> lool, right, but it creates a partitioned img file i can dd ?
[11:57] <lool> ogra: Sure
[11:57] <lool> ogra: It can do that with --image-file
[11:57] <ogra> ah, i thought it needs an SD as target media
[11:57] <lool> or --image_file rather
[11:57] <lool> ogra: nope, you can create images and dd them later, or boot them in QEMU; give it a try!
[11:58] <ogra> i will once i have some spare time :)
[11:58] <ogra> i'm still fighting with the debian-cd changes for headless atm
[11:58] <ogra> janimo, we really need to get you access to antimony (cdimage) for future projects
[11:59] <janimo> ogra, ok
[11:59] <ogra> the private vs public stuff means that i have to add a good bunch of stuff
[11:59] <janimo> or I should just pick task which are not related to image building :)
[12:00] <ogra> and etc/config seems to actually be totally different
[12:00] <ogra> janimo, haha, yeah, indeed
[12:00] <lool> janimo: that's a sane choice  :-)
[12:00]  * ogra must admit that he actually never looks at the public branch
[12:02] <ogra> i have merged all your code now ... now on to the headdache bits ... make-web-indicies is a pain
[12:02] <ogra> hmm, i wasnt aware we have a preinstalled-mobile image
[12:03] <ogra> i dont think anyone has ever built that, why is there code
[12:03] <lool> Where's the other debian-cd branch?
[12:03] <ogra> AH
[12:03] <ogra> The Mobile Image allows you to unpack a preinstalled preview of the
[12:03] <ogra> Plasma Mobile workspace onto an SD card.
[12:03] <ogra> kde stuff :)
[12:04] <ogra> lool, its all on antimony
[12:04] <lool> I mean what other changes are being proposed?
[12:06] <janimo> ogra, indeed I saw a lot of confusing dead-looking code in the build scripts
[12:07] <ogra> lool, one sec
[12:53] <ogra_> janimo, livecd-rootfs changed, applied to trunk, packaged and uploaded
[12:53] <ogra_> i'll do a new test after it was published
[12:55] <janimo> ogra_, thanks
[12:55] <ogra_> i always forget if BuildLiveCD changes need lamont or if trhats automatically ... but we'll see
[13:28]  * ogra_ sighs about the slow publisher
[13:30] <apachelogger> rsalveti: seems your qt gles change is incomplete
[13:30] <apachelogger> p   libqt4-dev        Depends  libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev
[13:32] <rsalveti> apachelogger: well, I believe it was properly changed for a previous revision
[13:32] <rsalveti> didn't check the current one
[13:32] <rsalveti> let me see
[13:32] <apachelogger> the ubuntu11 upload only features changes to opengl-dev
[13:33]  * apachelogger wonders why -dev should have any relationship with gl stuff actually
[13:34] <rsalveti> apachelogger: the original patch had libglu1-mesa-dev [!armel] | libglu-dev [!armel],
[13:35] <apachelogger> rsalveti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65213847/qt4-x11_4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10_4:4.7.1-0ubuntu11.diff.gz
[13:35] <apachelogger> only for qt4-opengl-dev
[13:38] <rsalveti> apachelogger: -dev and build-depends
[13:38] <apachelogger> then the upload is flawed
[13:38] <apachelogger> :S
[13:38] <rsalveti> apachelogger: why?
[13:40] <rsalveti> -dev is just to avoid installing the wrong headers and such
[13:40] <apachelogger> rsalveti: the first hunk of the ubuntu11 diff is build-deps the second hunk is -opengl-dev
[13:40] <rsalveti> and build-depends enough to build with the proper support
[13:40] <apachelogger> -dev however remained unchanged
[13:40] <apachelogger> or
[13:40] <apachelogger> maybe
[13:40]  * apachelogger might have been in a wrong chroot
[13:40] <rsalveti> qt4-x11_4.7.1-0ubuntu12 seems fine here
[13:40] <apachelogger> let me check again
[13:42] <apachelogger> oh
[13:43] <apachelogger> rsalveti: ok, my bad
[13:43]  * apachelogger now faces the question why kdelibs then installed glu as build-dep :S
[13:44] <rsalveti> kde needs further changes, not sure kdelibs
[13:44] <apachelogger> rsalveti: possibly not that many changes
[13:44] <apachelogger> libplasma links against libgl (due to a silly glapplet class, which is actually unmaintained...)
[13:45] <apachelogger> I think this causes runtime problems
[13:45] <rsalveti> apachelogger: I believe this was removed at trunk already
[13:45] <rsalveti> at least linaro was working on it
[13:46] <apachelogger> rsalveti: the glapplet?
[13:46] <rsalveti> apachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/46b3025245ee6b22cfa8d2a898756f5c075d822e
[13:47] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:47] <apachelogger> patchy patchy patchy :D
[13:47] <rsalveti> :D
[13:50] <ogra_> grmbl ... now the source is published but the binary isnt
[13:50]  * ogra_ hates the publisher
[14:33] <apachelogger> rsalveti: uploaded kde4libs with that patch
[14:34] <rsalveti> apachelogger: cool
[15:32]  * rsalveti lunch
[15:34] <sabayonuser2> hi has any one tried kubuntu mobile  with motorola charm
[15:44] <dcordes_> sabayonuser2: what's the CPU architecture ?
[15:46] <sabayonuser2> its an android phone so I guess it should be ARM
[15:46] <alf> rsalveti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-omap4-extras-graphics/+bug/732053
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732053 in ubuntu-omap4-extras-graphics "GLES2 drivers don't advertise the GL_OES_texture_npot extension" [Undecided,New]
[15:47] <rsalveti> alf: cool, will take a look
[15:48] <GrueMaster> sabayonuser2: Try the #kubuntu-mobile channel.  That's where they focus on that image.
[15:49] <dcordes_> sabayonuser2: the question is which arm version (what instruction set is supported)
[15:58] <Neko_> hey guys
[15:59] <dcordes_> sabayonuser2: you will first have to sort out what processor you have no matter what kind of image
[16:04] <amelim> rsalveti: In regards to the x-loader for the overo, I compiled the one found here and uploaded it as the MLO on the SD card git://www.sakoman.com/git/x-loader.git
[16:05] <amelim> same with the u-boot
[17:11] <rsalveti> amelim: you could just grab the package x-loader-omap3-overo
[18:34] <ogra> rsalveti, good question why we dont speak here :)
[18:34] <rsalveti> :-)
[18:34] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/daily-preinstalled/20110309.1 should actually get an image now
[18:35] <rsalveti> awesome
[18:35] <rsalveti> will need a blog post after this
[18:35] <rsalveti> maybe today
[18:35] <rsalveti> something the arm community is waiting for months
[18:35] <ogra> as soon as we know it builds and boots :)
[18:35] <rsalveti> sure sure :-)
[18:35] <ogra> years :)
[18:35] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:35] <alf> rsalveti: ogra: I am considering using a natty image (replacing maverick) with the SDP (omap4). Would you recommend it?
[18:36] <ogra> alf, works, kind of
[18:36] <rsalveti> alf: keep same kernel
[18:36] <rsalveti> no proper x-loader support for sdp yet, so you should also use the one you're using now
[18:36] <rsalveti> but, give it a try
[18:37] <rsalveti> alf: you can also wait the headless image
[18:37] <ogra> whats the SDP ?
[18:37] <ogra> blaze ?
[18:37] <rsalveti> ogra: like blaze
[18:37] <rsalveti> but without that beautiful case
[18:37] <ogra> "like" ?
[18:37] <rsalveti> it's huge
[18:37] <ogra> ah
[18:37] <rsalveti> like old omap boards
[18:37] <rsalveti> alf: headless should be a very small image
[18:37] <rsalveti> alf: then you can install what ever you need
[18:38]  * alf shudders
[18:38] <rsalveti> don't know what you currently need :-)
[18:38] <alf> I 'd rather get it up front than wait for it to install :)
[18:40] <alf> rsalveti: ogra: I 'll try it (tomorrow) and let you know how it goes
[18:40] <alf> thanks
[18:40] <rsalveti> cool
[18:40] <GrueMaster> alf: I have the natty alpha 3 image running on my blaze, using the x-loader & u-boot.bin from http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/maverick/blaze/
[18:40] <ogra> take the alpha
[18:41] <alf> GrueMaster: ogra: nice, thanks
[18:42] <ogra> grmpf, still something missing it seems
[18:43] <GrueMaster> I don't think the publisher knows how to handle .raw files.
[18:44] <ogra> there are no raw files this time
[18:45] <ogra> and the publisher never gets to see a raw file
[18:47] <ScottK> janimo: Why did you still build Qt with gc4.4 on armel?  I thought the gcc4.5 fix was in?
[18:47]  * ogra fires off a full build, somehow i lost my rootfs
[18:49]  * ogra hopes http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/daily-preinstalled/...9.2 will work now
[18:55] <janimo> ScottK, the Qt build started before the gcc build had finished
[18:55] <ScottK> janimo: Ah.  Makes sense.  Are you going to upload it again once the build is done?
[18:56] <janimo> but more importantly to have a 4.7.2 built with a known working gcc, in case something is weird we know whether to look for the issue in Qt or gcc
[18:56] <janimo> ScottK, if no other Kubuntu patches are queued we will do an upload
[18:57] <janimo> although I'd rather let people with more Qt packaging experience do the next upload. There is a 7Mb patch now in debian/ whih I think was not meant to be there
[18:57] <janimo> was noticed by cnd yesterday
[18:58] <janimo> ScottK, so hopefully we'll see whether the neon/smp issues are cleared with the new 2.4.7 build and then next upload should switch back to 4.5
[18:58] <ScottK> OK.
[18:59] <ScottK> Riddell is the best one to do it, but he's at a conference this week.
[18:59] <ScottK> Qt build system is funky, so the patch doesn't suprise me.
[19:01] <janimo> ScottK, I meant to drop the thumb build fix patch as the membarrier one is a superset of that but gave up because of a few faild patch attempts.
[19:01] <janimo> so they now stack
[19:02] <ScottK> That works.  That's one of the primary use cases for quilt (stacked patches)
[19:05]  * ogra always thought quilt was something to hide your bits
[19:37] <ogra> janimo, GrueMaster, rsalveti http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/daily-preinstalled/20110309.2/
[19:37] <ogra> happy playing :)
[19:38] <rsalveti> ogra: awesome
[19:38] <janimo> ogra, wonder why omap3 is 8Mb larger? Any idea?
[19:38] <janimo> ogra, indeed, you may as well have had this spec assigned to you
[19:38] <janimo> no way I could have made that patch work without tweals without access to the servers
[19:38] <janimo> :)
[19:38] <ogra> janimo, i would have postponed it without your preparation
[19:39] <janimo> ogra, ah, good then
[19:39] <ogra> the changes i had to do were a lot last thanks to that
[19:39] <ogra> s/last/less/
[19:40] <ogra> GrueMaster, happy with the name ?
[19:41] <GrueMaster> Works for me.
[19:41] <ogra> lets just hope we never get a chicken arch ;)
[19:42] <GrueMaster> aww.
[19:43] <rsalveti> :-)
[19:53]  * ogra fixes A2 mentioning ...
[19:55] <ogra> hmm, now to find a time when to build them from crontab
[19:56] <janimo> right after/before the netbook images?
[19:56] <ogra> no, right after we have kubuntu
[19:56] <ogra> right before kubuntu-mobile
[19:56] <ogra> ah, no, thats live
[19:57] <ogra> preinstalled is after kubuntu actually
[19:57] <ogra> 7me puts it on 23:45 UTC
[19:58] <GrueMaster> Too bad we can't use them as a base for ubuntu/kubuntu preinstalled images.  Seems to me we are duplicating some effort as all of these images share the same base.
[20:00] <ogra> how would you solve that ?
[20:01] <ogra> the headless image is a good testbase for debconf based oem-config
[20:02] <ogra> gah
[20:02] <ogra> 23:45 might not be a good idea
[20:03] <ogra> the images will always be a day behind
[20:54] <GrueMaster> Well, ubuntu-preinstalled-headless boots past jasper.  But that's it.  No oem-config, no serial terminal.  Just a console login with a hostname of sycamore (yea, that's another bug).
[20:54] <GrueMaster> But it is a step in the right direction.
[20:54] <ogra> did you check all consoles ?
[20:54] <ogra> oem-config might come up at an unexpected one
[20:55] <ogra> i'm not sure the server team tests oem-config server installs
[20:55] <GrueMaster> yep.  login in f1-f6, nothing beyond that.
[20:55] <ogra> bad
[20:55] <GrueMaster> And serial looks the same as it does on standard images.
[20:56] <ogra> yes
[20:56] <ogra> i mentioned that before
[20:56] <ogra> we dont have code that switches the cmdline between images yet
[20:56] <ogra> it uses the same code netbook uses atm
[20:57] <ogra> no oem-äconfig is indeed bad
[20:57] <ogra> i see it in the manifest
[20:57] <ogra> so i wonder why it doesnt start
[20:57] <ogra> can you check if /var/lib/oem-config/run exists so we can exclude jasper from being bad
[20:59] <GrueMaster> Yea, it's there.
[20:59] <GrueMaster> I'll add a test user so I can at least log in.
[21:03] <ogra> or a root pw :)
[21:04] <ogra> might be that the cmdline version of ubiquity-dm is just broken
[21:04] <amelim> rsalveti, GrueMaster: I'm able to boot on the Overo using Alpha 3, an overo u-boot I compiled earlier, and x-loader-omap3-overo
[21:04] <amelim> Thanks for the assist
[21:04] <GrueMaster> amelim: Cool!
[21:06] <GrueMaster> Grr.  Need to get video to not suck.  Mainly blame my HDMI switch for autoswitching to a different system on reboot.
[21:09] <GrueMaster> Ok, logging in as root (after mucking with the passwd) I can launch oem-config with "start oem-config", so it must be something in upstart or init.
[21:10] <GrueMaster> Also, didn't ask for system name.  Odd.
[21:10] <GrueMaster> Oh, nevermind.  Did the network time update first.
[21:18] <amelim> :/ Now I have to figure out why my USB peripherals aren't working...
[21:18] <amelim> They function fine on the same hardware setup during a boot of the preflashed angstrom image
[21:28] <rsalveti> amelim: cool