[00:12] <tonibuntu> i have installed ubuntu 6.06 on my friends machine that crashed it's windows.  i tryed and tried to install hardy, but it would never get past the login screen, where it would go all black and not progress.  so i'm kind of nervous now about upgrading through the update manager, cause i don't know if the newer version has some incompatibility with his dell dimension 2400.  any thoughts?  oh,...
[00:12] <tonibuntu> ...and question; i don't see 'software sources' in his menu, just 'software properties' which doesn't seem to be the same thing.
[00:17] <RandomDestructn> I can't help you with this.  but if your issue is with ubuntu and not xubuntu, I'd try the ubuntu help channel.  Its much busier
[00:25] <tonibuntu> RandomDestructn: ya, too busy sometimes hard to keep up with a conversation ...
[00:25] <RandomDestructn> yeah i know what you mean
[00:26] <RandomDestructn> ive often wished there was a downgrade option
[00:26] <RandomDestructn> so you could just test this stuff
[00:26] <stweston> hello, everyone
[00:27] <stweston> ... can anyone read this?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> stweston: yes
[00:27] <stweston> ok...
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[00:28] <stweston> I have a problem installing xubuntu...
[00:28] <stweston> so... IS anyone willing to help?
[00:29] <charlie-tca> What is the problem, stweston
[01:09] <stweston> I need help on finding my cd-rom driver.
[01:10] <stweston> can anyone help me find my cd-rom driver?
[01:10] <cody-somerville> one sec
[01:11] <cody-somerville> stweston, Okay
[01:11] <cody-somerville> You already have it
[01:11] <stweston> where? how?
[01:11] <_i_love> how do i make a folder link to another folder
[01:12] <cody-somerville> _i_love, symlinks
[01:12] <_i_love> thx
[01:12] <stweston> so why is it that I already have the driver?
[01:12] <stweston> er... how do you know?
[01:12] <cody-somerville> stweston, Most linux distributions ship the cdrom driver, naturally, by default
[01:13] <stweston> I see.
[01:13] <stweston> well, I need to find my cdrom driver.
[01:13] <_i_love> cody-somerville, i cant find a man page for that
[01:14] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: This one fails during install as not finding the cdrom driver
[01:15] <_i_love> how do i use symlinks
[01:15] <charlie-tca> I was working with stweston and don't know how to tell it which driver to use.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> What kind of cdrom drive do you have?
[01:15] <stweston> I believe it's csa
[01:15] <cody-somerville> Whats the make and model?
[01:15] <stweston> I don't know that. should I go ask my dad?
[01:16] <stweston> if I do, I'd have to warn you, he may not know either. may have just bought it because he needed it.
[01:16] <stweston> oh!
[01:16] <stweston> the model is CDR-1300A
[01:17] <stweston> sorry. duh.
[01:17] <stweston> stupidity on my part for not looking correctly.
[01:17] <cody-somerville> stweston, do you have more than one cdrom drive?
[01:17] <stweston> no. only one.
[01:18] <stweston> should we enter your chat or whatever it's called?
[01:18] <cody-somerville> enter what?
[01:18] <stweston> your IRC thing.
[01:18] <stweston> just by clicking on your name... I don't know. it's kinda hard to explain when there are so many platforms for IRC.
[01:20] <stweston> your channel... I don't know.
[01:21] <stweston> well, I don't know how to send private messaged things...
[01:21] <stweston> @cody-somerville, test, test...
[01:21] <stweston> nope.
[01:22] <cody-somerville> no
[01:22] <cody-somerville> We talk in this channel so other people can benefit
[01:22] <stweston> how does that work? the little private-type thing.
[01:22] <stweston> aah
[01:22] <stweston> I get it.
[01:22] <cody-somerville> :]
[01:22] <stweston> so, my question, then, is: where do I find the CSA CDR-1300A Driver for linux?
[01:22] <cody-somerville> There is none
[01:23] <stweston> ...
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Linux has a generic cdrom driver
[01:23] <stweston> oh.
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Your issue isn't a driver
[01:23] <stweston> I see.
[01:23] <stweston> it's not?
[01:23] <cody-somerville> No.
[01:23] <stweston> oh, right...
[01:23] <stweston> the disk failed to mount.
[01:23] <stweston> I'm trying to install ubuntu server, later w/ a xubuntu gui
[01:23] <cody-somerville> You'll want to join #ubuntu-installer (and probably during European working hours) and ask there.
[01:23] <stweston> I see.
[01:23] <stweston> why's that?
[01:25] <stweston> ok. I"m there. thanks, anyway, cody-somerville
[01:47] <ron_o> egads, my internet connection is just so incredibly slow.
[01:47] <ron_o> it took me 26 seconds to pink Google 3 times.
[01:47] <ron_o> I don't know what happened.
[01:51] <ron_o> I did mess around with some services, but I reinstated all of them.. I think that's the only thing I could have messed with.
[01:52] <charlie-tca> Did you reboot after reinstating those services? You could restart networking, maybe.
[01:57] <ron_o> I rebooted just now.
[01:57] <ron_o> I tried to restart my modem too.
[01:57] <ron_o> and restart networking manually.
[01:57] <ron_o> I just don't get it.
[01:57] <ron_o> all of a sudden it died.
[01:57] <ron_o> if I turned my modem off for a night would I get a new IP address tomorrow?
[01:58] <ron_o> not died, but really crawled which is worse in many ways.
[01:58] <charlie-tca> You may, it depends on how often the ISP renews them. Mine stays the same for months, sometimes
[01:59] <ron_o> maybe that could be it.
[01:59] <ron_o> I mean, maybe .. probably not.
[02:00] <ron_o> over a minute and this is only half loaded: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1843168,00.html?iid=digg_share
[02:02] <ron_o> plenty of space on me hard drive.. hmmm
[02:15] <ron_o> ahh, I'll put in me live CD and see if it's me connection or not. ;->
[02:15] <ron_o> wow, I love linux. :)
[02:15] <ron_o> brb
[02:34]  * flyback starts to microsleep while ircing due to lack of sleep the night before
[02:47] <ron_o> I'm convinced it's my connection that's the problem.
[02:48] <ron_o> there are still some issues I am having with my internet connections via my web browsers even while using puppy linux.
[02:48] <ron_o> I'll wait it out and see if it's still occuring tomorrow.
[03:02] <tonibuntu> guys i have downloaded the tar.gz of flash, to the archive manager, but i don't know how to complete the install, can someone help plz
[03:03]  * flyback goodnight
[03:03] <tonibuntu> do i have to specify a location in the gui?
[03:03] <tonibuntu> to extract to, i mean
[03:05] <tonibuntu> or should i have saved the flash file to the desktop first?
[03:06] <charlie-tca> Why not use the package in the repository? maybe this will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[03:08] <tonibuntu> thanks, lemme check it out
[03:08] <charlie-tca> np :)
[04:01] <Ultraputz> ahoy
[04:01] <stweston> hello
[04:02] <stweston> that was fast, wasn't it?
[04:02] <Ultraputz> i was unprepared :-)
[04:02] <stweston> I see.
[04:02] <Ultraputz> strange issue, using luks/cryptsetup -- when i boot, sometimes it goes straight to the password prompt as expected, other times, it hangs. rebooting, going to grub and choosing the oldest revision kernal, it comes up directly.
[04:03] <stweston> I don't really know how to help... sorry. I'm not an expert, just hanging around, I guess.
[04:03] <stweston> sorry
[04:03] <Ultraputz> quite alright
[04:03] <stweston> but... are you more experienced than me?
[04:04] <Ultraputz> you're not getting paid to be here, so you have no specific responsibilities :-)
[04:04] <stweston> because I'm having a problem of my own.
[04:04] <stweston> I know.
[04:04] <Ultraputz> i can try.
[04:04] <stweston> all right... this may be a bit out-of-context, so please forgive me. Nobody at ubuntu-installer can help, because they're not responding.
[04:05] <stweston> So, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server, see?...
[04:05] <stweston> and I'm having trouble mounting my CD-R drive.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> what do you mean mounting it?
[04:05] <Ultraputz> are you trying to install over anothe rinstallation?
[04:05] <stweston> well, the installer can't mount the drive.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> what kind of machine is it ?
[04:05] <stweston> it can't find it. all the hardware is connected and everything...
[04:06] <stweston> my dad built it, so I can't say a brand, specifically.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> that's actualyl helpful :-)
[04:06] <stweston> it is?
[04:06] <Ultraputz> do you know how the CD ROM is connected?
[04:06] <stweston> oh, yeah. duh...
[04:06] <stweston> it is.
[04:06] <stweston> oh...
[04:06] <stweston> oh! it's an IDE drive.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> yes, if he built it, then it's not likely to be a dell, hp or anythin g else especially retarded.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> ok, that's even better.
[04:06] <stweston> oh?
[04:07] <Ultraputz> it increases the possilibity that it's a generic, well supported component.
[04:07] <stweston> I see.
[04:07] <Ultraputz> if you have something like a weird laptop with a proprietary cd or floppy drive, there's a chance that it isn't supported, or it's difficult to get running.
[04:07] <Ultraputz> i assume you can boot off of the cd rom?
[04:07] <Ultraputz> like with a windows install cd?
[04:07] <stweston> well, it's the server version. yes, I think...
[04:08] <stweston> it's working right now.
[04:08] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:08] <Ultraputz> are you under windows or ubu ?
[04:08] <Ultraputz> macos x
[04:08] <Ultraputz> colloquy rocks. :-)
[04:08] <Ultraputz> i'm trying to establish where w'ere at with the hardware so:
[04:08] <stweston> I'm actually under OS X right now, but this is my other computer. and yes, I'm even using colloquy! waht a cooincidince!
[04:09] <Ultraputz> the machine boots, adn can boot from a cdrom, and the cdrom is available normally under windows?
[04:09] <stweston> yes.
[04:09] <stweston> windows 98
[04:09] <Ultraputz> better yet. older hardware.
[04:09] <stweston> to be precise, SE
[04:09] <stweston> why is that better?
[04:09] <Ultraputz> but you cannot boot off of the ubuntu install?
[04:09] <Ultraputz> the older and more generic the hardware, the better chance t's supported.
[04:10] <Ultraputz> things in the linux world get done because someone that can do them, does.
[04:10] <stweston> well, it boots, it gets to the installer, and then, when trying to mount the CD drive...
[04:10] <stweston> I see.
[04:10] <stweston> it just stops... kind of.
[04:10] <stweston> I'm at the error page right now, and here's the error:...
[04:10] <stweston> "no common CD-ROM drive was detected"...
[04:11] <Ultraputz> eek.
[04:11] <Ultraputz> do you know if the cd rom and an hdd share an ide cable in the machine?
[04:11] <stweston> ... "load CD-ROM drivers from a floppy?" <yes> or <no>
[04:11] <Ultraputz> if possible, something you might do in the mean time to speed things along is download a "livecd" and burn it, and see if you can boot and run from it on the machine
[04:12] <stweston> yes. they do. I also know, that the HDD is on the Master, and the CDR is on the slave...
[04:12] <stweston> I'm installing Ubuntu Server, if you remember.
[04:12] <Ultraputz> i understand
[04:12] <stweston> I'll install the xubuntu GUI later.
[04:12] <stweston> then again... my download only has about 10 minutes left...
[04:12] <Ultraputz> a livecd boots and runs and lives on the cd, doesn't touch the internal hdd unless you ask it to.
[04:13] <stweston> I know. but Server doesn't have a LiveCD. only the Alternate install.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> one thing you could try is rebooting the machine, going into the bios, and see if you can get at the cd rom (ide) controller setup
[04:13] <stweston> I've tried, I think.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> try toggling between auto and enhanced mode. eg, if it's auto, switch it to enhanced, reboot, and see if that works
[04:13] <stweston> how would I do that? I have award.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> i don't know. it depends on the machine
[04:13] <stweston> from 2000. it's 1013, to be exact.
[04:14] <stweston> hm...
[04:14] <Ultraputz> probably f8 right as the thing boots
[04:14] <stweston> no. it's del.
[04:14] <Ultraputz> it should tell you in the corner of the screen , "press x to enter setup/bios" somethign ike that
[04:14] <Ultraputz> del it is
[04:14] <stweston> shall I restart? ctrl+alt+del?
[04:14] <Ultraputz> do note that you want to only adjust the cd rom setting, don't futz with the hdd settings
[04:14] <Ultraputz> save the settings first
[04:14] <Ultraputz> it should have a 'save and exit' option
[04:14] <Ultraputz> and that will reboot the machine
[04:14] <stweston> I know.
[04:14] <stweston> ok.
[04:15] <stweston> I've done that before.
[04:15] <stweston> many times - countless times, even!
[04:15] <stweston> I'll go restart.
[04:15] <Ultraputz> i don't know what you know, so i have to assume you're an idiot :-) don't be offended :-)
[04:15] <stweston> oh. ok
[04:15] <stweston> thanks for clarifying.
[04:15] <stweston> :)
[04:15] <Ultraputz> have you ever worked tech support?
[04:16] <stweston> no.
[04:16] <stweston> I'm just kind of a volunteer, at best.
[04:16] <stweston> I ask questions and get them answered.
[04:16] <stweston> ok... I"m in BIOS.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> if you do, you'll understand that you start by assuming the person on the other end has just dropped off of the moon and never seen a computer before, and go from there :-)
[04:16] <stweston> which option do I want?
[04:16] <stweston> ok... I see.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> which options are available?
[04:17] <stweston> lots. lol
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i can't see your screen, and there are many different bisoes and bios interfaces
[04:17] <Ultraputz> unless you can point a webcam at the screen that can see it, you'll need to tell me what you're seeing
[04:17] <stweston> I have a webcam, though!
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i was being faecetious. start typing. :-)
[04:17] <stweston> oh...
[04:17] <stweston> ok. fine.
[04:17] <stweston> :)
[04:18] <stweston> anyway... I see that there's the HDD Sequence SCSI/IDE first; doubt that's it.
[04:18] <stweston> it has 2 options: IDE and SCSI
[04:18] <Ultraputz> IDE
[04:18] <stweston> it's on IDE right now, probably shouldn't tamper with it.
[04:18] <Ultraputz> does that have any extra options that comes up when you select it?
[04:18] <stweston> HDD SMART capability? and no.
[04:19] <Ultraputz> you said award 1101 ?
[04:19] <stweston> there's enabled and disabled.
[04:19] <stweston> no. it's Award 1013
[04:20] <stweston> and by the way: do you know how to open Torrent downloads, or do they just save the file when done downloading? I'm trying to get a Xubuntu install CD ready.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> no, you need a torrent client to downloa da torrent
[04:20] <stweston> I have that.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> btw, if you're working with older hardware, you may find it wise to grab the Alternate versions
[04:21] <Ultraputz> once the torrent is loaded and and started, it should go pretty fast
[04:21] <stweston> I have a plethora of RAM and Hard-drive space.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> what client are you using?:
[04:21] <stweston> It is loaded.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> if you;re using a mac, i'd recommend transmission.app
[04:21] <stweston> it's almost downloaded, even.
[04:21] <stweston> oh... I have vuze.
[04:21] <stweston> sorry. it's almost done downloading the actual ISO file.
[04:21] <stweston> I think.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> in the preferences is an option to set the download folder, you could look there to see what it's pointing at
[04:22] <Ultraputz> when the torrent finishing downloading, it will check to make sure the file is correct, then it should appear as 'seeding' or 'complete'
[04:22] <stweston> all right.
[04:22] <stweston> and about half a minute now!
[04:22] <stweston> anyway... back to Linux.
[04:23] <Ultraputz> any reason you plan do both ubuntu server and xfce (xubuntu gui) ?
[04:23] <stweston> well, I don't know the command line that well, so I need a GUI. since this is an oldish machine, I need something that it can support.
[04:23] <stweston> that's pretty much why.
[04:24] <Ultraputz> hrm. the gui is not going to make the server features any easier to use for the most part...
[04:24] <Ultraputz> and running an x server does introduce some security issues for a server.
[04:24] <stweston> uh...
[04:24] <Ultraputz> and finally, it's not hard, just tedious, to learn how to do it from the command line
[04:24] <stweston> sorry. what are you saying?
[04:24] <Ultraputz> you certainly type fast enough
[04:24] <stweston> lol. I know.
[04:24] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:24] <Ultraputz> xfce is a window manager and desktop suite
[04:24] <stweston> yes.
[04:24] <Ultraputz> it runs under "x windows"
[04:24] <stweston> I see.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> x windows is a protocol, like telnet and http are protocols
[04:25] <stweston> like some in OS X?
[04:25] <Ultraputz> x servers are network application
[04:25] <Ultraputz> no
[04:25] <stweston> oh.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> x was designed so that programs running on one computer would be accessible, graphically, from a remote system
[04:25] <stweston> aah
[04:25] <Ultraputz> so the windows menus mouse and keybaord are machine a, while the program is running on machine b
[04:25] <stweston> all right.
[04:25] <stweston> I think I got it.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> but the x server itself doesn't do anything for you
[04:25] <Ultraputz> that's what XFCE is
[04:26] <stweston> one second while I go get a CD to burn this ISO file.
[04:26] <Ultraputz> (or metacity, or whatever window manager you'd like)
[04:26] <stweston> uh...
[04:26] <stweston> wait. so, does this mean that the gui won't do anything to the server settings at all? I can't edit anything with the GUI?
[04:26] <Ultraputz> you can edit files and things with the graphical interface
[04:27] <stweston> oh, good.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> using graphical text editors and so on
[04:27] <stweston> all right.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> and there are a few graphical config tools
[04:27] <stweston> so, then Apache, PHP, etc work fine?
[04:27] <Ultraputz> ... what is this server going to be used for /
[04:27] <stweston> web.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> i have apache2, python and mysql running on a desktop ubuntu install
[04:28] <stweston> oh?
[04:28] <stweston> hm...
[04:28] <stweston> 1 second while I go get a CD to burn.
[04:28] <stweston> and literally BURN!!! (no, not really)
[04:28] <Ultraputz> basically, a webserver is a security problem.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> take your time, i'll keep writing
[04:29] <Ultraputz> generally, when you want to run a server for a particular purpose, esp. if you're concerned about security, you run only what you absolutely must have to do so
[04:29] <stweston> hm...
[04:29] <stweston> I see.
[04:29] <Ultraputz> ;if you're just fooling around, it's no big deal, really
[04:29] <stweston> aah
[04:30] <stweston> well, what if I actually need a GUI?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> but if you're thinking of anything that is going to get any real traffic or attention, you'll want to consider what i said above
[04:30] <Ultraputz> what do you need a GUI for?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> what do you imagine you'll be doing that makes a gui imperative?
[04:30] <stweston> to navigate around and understand what I'm doing.
[04:30] <stweston> I'm very graphical-orientied.
[04:30] <Ultraputz> it's seriously not hard to use the command line to do that.
[04:30] <stweston> oh?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> no
[04:31] <stweston> well, then I'll need to learn as I go or something like that...
[04:31] <Ultraputz> and, you have multiple consoles...
[04:31] <stweston> really?
[04:31] <Ultraputz> so you can switch between different text screens, like non-overlapping windows
[04:31] <Ultraputz> you can use the mouse to select and copy text, as well.
[04:31] <stweston> like, alt+f1, f2, etc?
[04:31] <Ultraputz> yes
[04:31] <Ultraputz> that's the console switch
[04:31] <stweston> oh!
[04:31] <stweston> I didn't know I could use the mouse...
[04:31] <stweston> (I'm a real newbie)
[04:32] <Ultraputz> no one is born knowing linux :-)
[04:32] <stweston> ture.
[04:32] <stweston> true*
[04:32] <Ultraputz> once you get your screen up, the only things you need to know in the very beginning are how to change directories to move around through the file system
[04:32] <stweston> well, I'm going to burn this CD, simply for the future, if need be.
[04:32] <Ultraputz> ls lists the files in the current directory
[04:32] <stweston> all right.
[04:32] <Ultraputz> cd <directory> changes into a new directory below
[04:32] <Ultraputz> cd .. changes to the directory above
[04:32] <stweston> like in DOS
[04:32] <Ultraputz> exactly like dos
[04:33] <stweston> wow
[04:33] <Ultraputz> except the directory slashes go forward
[04:33] <stweston> right.
[04:33] <Ultraputz> instead of C:\mssucks\msreallysucks
[04:33] <Ultraputz> it's /home/happyuser/
[04:33] <stweston> I knew that much. the \ was just a gimmick... I get that! LOL
[04:33] <Ultraputz> the most important things to know after that are:
[04:33] <Ultraputz> man
[04:33] <Ultraputz> man is "manual"
[04:33] <stweston> manual?
[04:33] <stweston> oh.
[04:33] <stweston> lol
[04:34] <Ultraputz> so if you type "man ls" it will tell you everything about the "ls" command
[04:34] <stweston> wow
[04:34] <Ultraputz> you will learn therein that "ls -al" will show you all the files in the directory, including hidden ones
[04:34] <stweston> anyway...
[04:34] <stweston> could you please help me with this server isntall?
[04:34] <Ultraputz> you need to be able to boot the image cd from the cd rom
[04:34] <Ultraputz> if you can't get that far, there's not much i can do to help
[04:34] <stweston> uh...
[04:34] <stweston> I'm lost. sorry. where were we?
[04:35] <Ultraputz> i thought we were in the bios last i looked
[04:35] <stweston> oh, yes.
[04:35] <Ultraputz> and you were burning a xubuntu cd ?
[04:35] <stweston> oh, that too.
[04:35] <Ultraputz> i recommended that you look into the xubuntu - alternate
[04:35] <stweston> well, I don't really need that... I just need the server, methinks.
[04:35] <Ultraputz> i certainly hope so!
[04:35] <Ultraputz> but if we're wrong, it's not hard to go from there.
[04:35] <stweston> but I'll burn the xubuntu cd anyway, just for future need.
[04:36] <Ultraputz> there is some kind of install-in-place app...
[04:36] <Ultraputz> it's a program that runs under windows
[04:36] <stweston> hm...
[04:36] <Ultraputz> and installs linux over the network
[04:36] <stweston> oh? does it write over windows, too?
[04:36] <Ultraputz> yeah
[04:36] <stweston> sweet!
[04:36] <Ultraputz> i used it on a friend's compaq, and did a perfect ubuntu desktop install
[04:36] <stweston> 'cuz I don't need windows, much less want it.
[04:37] <Ultraputz> however, i don't know if it works with server.
[04:37] <stweston> aah. nevermind, then.
[04:37] <stweston> I'll just try the regular install. I have the CD and everything.
[04:37] <Ultraputz> don't give up so easy, or you'll never have a working linux server :-)
[04:37] <Ultraputz> need to look...
[04:37] <stweston> I know.
[04:38] <stweston> so, I have the CD in and everything. which BIOS setting do I change, then?
[04:38] <Ultraputz> i don't know...
[04:38] <stweston> hm...
[04:38] <Ultraputz> there should be an option to define how the cdrom interface is configured
[04:38] <Ultraputz> if the thing is from 2000, it's modern enough to have such settings
[04:39] <stweston> well, the BIOS VERSION is from 2000. the motherboard is from ;98
[04:39] <Ultraputz> i have no idea what your bios screen looks like,so i don't know where to tell you tlook, other than anything that talks about more options,more choices,advanced settings, ide settings...
[04:39] <Ultraputz> even so, it should have it.
[04:39] <stweston> oh. ok
[04:39] <stweston> all right...
[04:39] <stweston> maybe it's in CMOS?
[04:40] <stweston> the standard CMOS setup?
[04:40] <Ultraputz> CMOS / BIOS are the same thing as far as setup goes.
[04:40] <Ultraputz> http://wubi-installer.org/ is the installer that works without a CD
[04:40] <stweston> all right...
[04:41] <stweston> well, I only have a 4.3gb HDD
[04:41] <stweston> I can't use WUBI without having a bigger HDD.
[04:41] <stweston> I'm sorry if this is frusturating.
[04:42] <stweston> what about the IDE HDD Auto Detection?
[04:42] <Ultraputz> that's what we're interested in...
[04:42] <stweston> in the main menu?
[04:42] <Ultraputz> you have everything set up to autodetect?
[04:43] <stweston> I don't know... I'll go there and check.
[04:43] <stweston> it's blinking "Primary Master"
[04:43] <stweston> and that's the HDD>
[04:43] <Ultraputz> that should be correct
[04:43] <stweston> the Primary Slave is the CDR
[04:43] <Ultraputz> that should also be correct
[04:43] <Ultraputz> does it have extended settings?
[04:43] <stweston> ok. then nevermind.
[04:43] <Ultraputz> if you select Primary Slave... does it show other options?
[04:44] <stweston> oh... this isn't a menu. sorry.
[04:44] <stweston> it's a config setup thing.
[04:44] <Ultraputz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNetbootin#Hard_Drive_Install_Mode
[04:44] <stweston> at the bottom it says "Note: some OSes like UNIX must use "normal" for installation.
[04:45] <stweston> finally something I can use!
[04:45] <stweston> (I love wikipedia...)
[04:45] <Ultraputz> if you use the arrow keys...
[04:45] <Ultraputz> can you cycle settings for normal/enhanced/auto on primary slave?
[04:46] <stweston> yes. I think.
[04:46] <stweston> well, there's "normal"... let me check.
[04:46] <Ultraputz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=427540
[04:46] <Ultraputz> there's also this
[04:46] <stweston> no... there's "LBA", "Normal" and "large"
[04:46] <Ultraputz> oh mai
[04:46] <Ultraputz> definitely look at that last url
[04:46] <stweston> all right.
[04:46] <Ultraputz> this may get you around the issue entirely.
[04:47] <stweston> well... this is.. interesting.
[04:48] <Ultraputz> if it's a server, it probably won't need the cd-rom
[04:48] <stweston> but I don't really understand it, at a glance.
[04:48] <Ultraputz> so if you can just dodge the bullet
[04:48] <Ultraputz> you'll need to actually read it
[04:48] <stweston> aah!
[04:48] <stweston> oh... lol. right.
[04:48] <stweston> so, it works on Windows 98, then.
[04:48] <stweston> which is my windows OS
[04:49] <Ultraputz> 95 through vista it sez
[04:49] <Ultraputz> so, yes
[04:49] <stweston> all right
[04:49] <stweston> good.
[04:49] <stweston> hm...
[04:49] <Ultraputz> what i would recommend...
[04:49] <Ultraputz> is that you install regular xubuntu...
[04:49] <Ultraputz> get to know the system
[04:49] <Ultraputz> try setting up apache, etc.
[04:49] <stweston> the broadband connection... does that work with Wireless B Wi-Fi?
[04:50] <Ultraputz> and once you get the hang of it, you can reinstall server from scratch and know precisely how to do it
[04:50] <stweston> because that might be slow for me...
[04:50] <Ultraputz> good question
[04:50] <stweston> aah. I see.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> whether or not it works with wifi is a good question
[04:50] <stweston> oh.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> i would assume it does, but i'd read carefully to see that it does.
[04:50] <stweston> all right.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> if you don't have a network cable handy for the thing...
[04:51] <Ultraputz> and the mac is on via wifi
[04:51] <Ultraputz> you could set up connection sharing on the mac, and then use a crossover cable to connect the mac to the ethernet jack on the to-be ubuntu box
[04:51] <stweston> oh, yeah!
[04:51] <stweston> good idea
[04:52] <stweston> I'll go see if I can borrow a couple (or just one) ethernet cable.
[04:52] <Ultraputz> i was, until around february, a macuser myself.
[04:52] <stweston> sweet.
[04:52] <stweston> what changed?
[04:52] <stweston> oh... linux. duh
[04:52] <Ultraputz> then i switched to ubuntu and xubuntu, and i don't miss the mac for anything except Vectorworks and mathematica
[04:52] <stweston> hm...
[04:53] <stweston> well, I like the concept of Ubuntu and all, but I really need my mac. I just bought it this summer...
[04:53] <stweston> but I'll still play around with it.
[04:53] <Ultraputz> i'm not saying dump your mac
[04:53] <Ultraputz> i'm saying learn ubuntu :-)
[04:53] <stweston> and make a bunch of failed attempts at servers... LOL
[04:53] <stweston> ok. sounds good.
[04:54] <Ultraputz> if you're patient and thorough, you'll kick ass at this in a few months
[04:54] <stweston> wow - double in-context!
[04:54] <Ultraputz> and it's a skill that can serve you for years.
[04:54] <stweston> sweet
[04:54] <Ultraputz> you can be good to go on the basics on day 1 with ubuntu server
[04:54] <stweston> well, then..
[04:54] <Ultraputz> but you _will_ have to do some configuring here and there.
[04:54] <stweston> good point.
[04:54] <Ultraputz> and even with the gui, you'll still be using the terminal, which is command line
[04:54] <stweston> aah
[04:55] <stweston> say... I don't suppose you have an e-mail address, do you?
[04:55] <Ultraputz> i've found that people who start learning linux from trom the command line learn it better and faster, and then can do a lot more with the gui when (and if) they get around to using one
[04:55] <stweston> I won't, like, steal anything or whatever... just want to contact for quick access.
[04:55] <stweston> wow
[04:55] <Ultraputz> how about aim/gtalk or something like that?
[04:55] <stweston> hm...
[04:55] <Ultraputz> do you have an ichat/aim id
[04:55] <stweston> I have an AIM address. i also have Gmail.
[04:55] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:56] <stweston> which do you prefer?
[04:56] <Ultraputz> don't post it into this channel
[04:56] <stweston> oh. ok
[04:56] <Ultraputz> it's publicly visible via web
[04:56] <stweston> should I go into a private channel?
[04:56] <stweston> good point.
[04:56] <Ultraputz> which means if you post it, it could be eaten up by a crawler and add to your spam issues.
[04:56] <stweston> aah
[04:56] <stweston> I already kind of am...
[04:56] <Ultraputz> did you see the email address i just sent?
[04:56] <Ultraputz> so don't make it worse :-)
[04:57] <stweston> yes.
[04:57] <stweston> lol
[04:57] <stweston> I don't really understand it, but that's for another place.
[04:57] <Ultraputz> google explores the web by going to a site, looking at the links, following them, and repeating until death
[04:58] <stweston> aah. good point.
[04:58] <Ultraputz> a spambot does th same thing, except rather than indexing the pages for search, it looks for email addresses, aim/instant messenger handles, myspace usernames, etc.
[04:58] <stweston> lol.
[04:59] <Ultraputz> most irc channels do not log to the web, but this one is for xubuntu support, and so it's a good idea to log it so that people searching the web might find solutions to problems worked out here in the channel
[04:59] <stweston> aah. I see.
[05:00] <stweston> wow. look at the time! it's already 11 PM!
[05:00] <stweston> I'll see you on IM'ing.
[06:12] <stweston> hello. is anyone there?
[06:13] <stweston> I'm trying to install a xubuntu system, but it always gives me an "intramfs" prompt.
[06:14] <stweston> I'm at the CD boot screen right now.
[06:14] <stweston> can anyone help?
[06:16] <stweston> hello?
[06:17] <stweston> anyone?
[06:18] <flyback> what do you mean
[06:19] <stweston> well, I'm at the load screen, after I start the CD and it boots and everything, when I select how I want to proceed... such as "try xubuntu", "install", etc.
[06:20] <paul928> and then?
[06:20] <stweston> and then, well...
[06:20] <stweston> I select "try xubuntu"...
[06:20] <stweston> and it loads the kernel... I'll do that right now, by the way.
[06:20] <paul928> and?
[06:20] <stweston> well, now it's loading...
[06:21] <stweston> assuming ACPI-capable machine...
[06:21] <stweston> usplash theme loader.
[06:21] <stweston> I can hear the CD drive working, along with the floppy
[06:21] <stweston> (floppy has nothing in it, btw)
[06:21] <stweston> and now...
[06:21] <paul928> floppy?
[06:22] <stweston> it only says "busybox .... built-in shell... enter "help" for a list of built-in commands..."
[06:22] <stweston> the floppy drive.
[06:22] <paul928> what version of xubuntu is this?
[06:22] <stweston> the line starts with (initramfs)
[06:22] <stweston> 8.04
[06:22] <stweston> latest.
[06:23] <paul928> did you check the cd for errors?
[06:23] <stweston> well, the thing is... the same thing happens after loading the kernel.. it won't check for errors.
[06:24] <stweston> no matter which option, it doesn't wokr.
[06:24] <stweston> work*
[06:24] <stweston> I've even tried some stuff from the help forums for pressing F6, but nothing there works either.
[06:24] <paul928> that's one of the options that shows when you have "install xubuntu" or try xubuntu
[06:24] <stweston> yes. I know.
[06:25] <stweston> I tried that, and it didn't wokr.
[06:25] <stweston> (you know what I mean...)
[06:25] <paul928> and you tried to check disk integrity?
[06:25] <stweston> disk integrity?
[06:25] <stweston> oh. the md5sum?
[06:25] <paul928> the "check cdrom for errors" option
[06:26] <stweston> yes. I checked, but it got the initramfs prompt
[06:26] <stweston> even there.
[06:26] <stweston> I mean, while it was checking, it got the prompt
[06:26] <paul928> I would try a different cd or maybe download it again and burn another
[06:27] <paul928> sounds like a faulty cdromto me
[06:27] <stweston> hm...
[06:27] <stweston> well, I tried this twice, on two different CDs, but neither worked. both the same way.
[06:27] <paul928> and burn it at the slowest speed available
[06:28] <stweston> and I've even tried Ubuntu Server, but that didn't work. I burned at 10x speed (slowest)
[06:28] <stweston> Ubuntu server had a different problem, though
[06:28] <paul928> what problem did it show?
[06:28] <stweston> it wouldn't mount the CDR drive.
[06:28] <stweston> it's an IDE, by the way.
[06:29] <paul928> it wouldn't mount the cd to boot from it?
[06:29] <stweston> no. it booted from it, I even got to selecting the keyboard..
[06:29] <stweston> but it couldn't find the CDR drive after that.
[06:29] <stweston> it always does the same thing.
[06:30] <paul928> what are the specs of the hardware that you are trying to install on?
[06:30] <stweston> I'm running an old PC made by my dad.
[06:30] <paul928> how much RAM?
[06:31] <stweston> enough to power a motorcycle... (bad metaphor)
[06:31] <stweston> it's got 450 meg.
[06:32] <paul928> 450 MB? that's a unusual amount
[06:32] <stweston> and a 4.3Gig HDD, for reference.
[06:32] <stweston> well, it's in various amounts of sticks.
[06:32] <stweston> a 256, for sure, and a few more.
[06:32] <paul928> the HDD is all available?
[06:32] <stweston> I think a 128 and a couple others.
[06:32] <paul928> and did you try a memtest?
[06:32] <stweston> yes. I can boot from Windows 98 just fine and it detects the CDR.
[06:33] <stweston> I didn't try a memtest... I should, I suppose.
[06:33] <paul928> I would just to rule out that problem
[06:33] <stweston> oh... why?
[06:33] <stweston> it's testing
[06:34] <paul928> memory errors can cause all kinds of strange things
[06:34] <stweston> oh?
[06:34] <flyback> yeah let memtest run overnight
[06:34] <flyback> or till it errors
[06:34] <paul928> if you're running memtest now, how much memory does it show present?
[06:35] <stweston> it shows 440M
[06:36] <paul928> that should be more than enough RAM if it is working correctly
[06:36] <stweston> oh. ok...
[06:36] <stweston> well, then what do you propose is the problem?
[06:37] <paul928> since it failed on 2 different installs, I would think that rules out a faulty cdrom
[06:37] <stweston> hm...
[06:37] <paul928> unless you're just very unlucky
[06:37] <stweston> what do you mean by "rules out"?
[06:38] <paul928> I'd wait and see what memtest shows
[06:38] <stweston> ok
[06:38] <stweston> how long does it usually take?
[06:38] <paul928> normally you'd have to be very unlucky to have to cdrom's fail if you burnt them both atr low rates
[06:39] <stweston> hm...
[06:39] <stweston> I guess I'll have to ask my dad about if he has any other CDROM drives.
[06:39] <paul928> memtest speed depends on the amount of installed RAM, the speed of the RAM and the speed of the processor
[06:40] <flyback> what cpu is this
[06:40] <paul928> It can take several minutes to several hours
[06:40]  * flyback has another reason that might rule out the whole box as not usuable
[06:40] <stweston> Okay. I think it's maybe PII or PIII... Ok, because that was my initial thought: that the CDR was bad, and he said no.
[06:40] <paul928> flyback: what?
[06:40] <stweston> the processor is maybe PII or PIII
[06:41] <flyback> bad caps
[06:41] <flyback> any idea what board is in it
[06:41] <stweston> I just updated the BIOS yesterday...
[06:41] <stweston> it's an ASUS motherboard with Award BIOS in it. year 2000
[06:42] <stweston> upgraded from '98
[06:42] <paul928> so probably a pll?
[06:42] <stweston> yes.
[06:42] <stweston> ok, what does that mean?
[06:44] <flyback> check all the capacitors
[06:44] <paul928> don't know about the current versions, but I had Ubuntu 4.04 running on a pll several years ago and with less RAM
[06:44] <flyback> if any of them have crusty shit coming out of the top or bottom
[06:44] <flyback> or the tops aren't flat
[06:44] <flyback> it's over
[06:44] <stweston> uh...
[06:44] <stweston> capacitors?
[06:44] <flyback> YOU STUPID CANUCK
[06:44]  * flyback goes to find a guide
[06:44] <stweston> what?
[06:44] <flyback> http://www.badcaps.net/ident/
[06:45] <flyback> http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
[06:45] <stweston> so, what does this all mean?
[06:46] <paul928> I doubt if it would be a bad capacitor problem if it will bootinto win98
[06:46] <flyback> actually it might
[06:46] <stweston> why?
[06:46] <flyback> win9x allowed a lot of bit erroring before it would crash
[06:46] <stweston> why might it be?
[06:46] <flyback> actyally you couldn't tell from normal win9x operation
[06:47] <stweston> hm...
[06:47] <flyback> http://bushytails.net/~randyg/badcaps-tayeh-3.jpg
[06:47] <stweston> where could I find these caps?
[06:48] <paul928> the capacitors that he's talking about are located on the motherboard
[06:48] <stweston> ok.  LOL
[06:55] <flyback> those are an ok brand if they are elna
[06:55] <stweston> all right. that's what I saw from close up
[06:55] <stweston> why does the brand matter?
[06:56] <flyback> because a bunch of cock suckers started buying the fluid from a bunch of cock sucking chinks who stole it then stole it from each other and got it wrong
[06:56] <flyback> the fluid destabilizes when charged and builds up gas
[06:56] <stweston> oh.
[06:57] <stweston> wait - I thought there were no real fluids in a computer.
[06:57] <flyback> that's why a lot of the newer baords have gone to solid polymer caps
[06:57] <stweston> oh...
[06:57] <flyback> cause a lot of mb makers were destroyed over this
[06:57] <stweston> I see.
[06:57] <stweston> so, this is a real problem, not just a hoax?
[06:57] <stweston> if it were bad?
[06:57] <flyback> yes
[06:57] <stweston> oh.
[06:57] <flyback> I dealt with this many times online with people and at work
[06:57] <stweston> but it's not for me? yet?
[06:58] <stweston> oh...
[06:58] <flyback> plus there are 2 capacitor plagues after this :/
[06:58] <stweston> that really stinks
[06:58] <stweston> ?
[06:58] <flyback> 2nd one was nichicon one of the best cap makers in the world
[06:58] <stweston> plagues?
[06:58] <flyback> had a bad run of HM AND HN series
[06:58] <flyback> got a lot of intel made mb's
[06:58] <flyback> got dell, apple, hp
[06:58] <stweston> wow
[06:58] <flyback> 3rd plague is apprentely bad aluminum that isn't pure enough
[06:59] <flyback> the shit leeches out into the fluid and causes the same issues that the bad fluid did
[06:59] <stweston> wow
[06:59] <stweston> but nowadays they're ok?
[06:59] <flyback> no
[06:59] <stweston> what?
[06:59] <flyback> there are a few crooked cap makers that changed their names to get around thisa
[06:59] <stweston> oh...
[06:59] <flyback> my next board will be all solid caps
[06:59] <stweston> why?
[07:00] <flyback> I gotta get back to work bro
[07:00] <stweston> oh. ok
[07:00] <flyback> feel free to hang out in #hardwarre
[07:00] <stweston> sorry
[07:00] <flyback> feel free to hang out in #hardware
[07:00] <stweston> ok.
[07:00] <stweston> why?
[07:00] <flyback> it's not a problem I just want to finish this remote work before I sleep
[07:00] <flyback> it's 2am
[07:00] <stweston> ok.
[07:00] <stweston> yeah.... 1AM here.
[07:01] <stweston> I'd better get to bed, too... but i want to wait for this memetest.
[07:01] <stweston> wait - it takes how long?
[07:01] <flyback> you should let it run overnight
[07:01] <flyback> or till it errors
[07:01] <flyback> if it errors right off you can stop
[07:01] <paul928> what percentage are you at now?
[07:02] <stweston> I'm at 30% pass, test 89%
[07:02] <flyback> ?
[07:02] <stweston> test #4
[07:02] <paul928> so it's about 1/3 of the way through
[07:02] <stweston> or is that 38 pass?
[07:02] <stweston> I don't know.
[07:02] <stweston> I think it's 30
[07:02] <stweston> wow...
[07:03] <stweston> this is gonna be a loooong night.
[07:03] <paul928> 30% of the total tests
[07:03] <stweston> wow
[07:03] <stweston> oh. 31% now.
[07:03] <stweston> 32, I mean.
[07:04] <stweston> I'm really tired...
[07:04] <paul928> I would guess that 1-2 hours more will finish it
[07:04] <stweston> wow.
[07:04] <stweston> well, I'd better get to bed, then.
[07:05] <stweston> it's way past midnight, and I have school in the morning.
[07:05] <paul928> but if you let it run overnight it will just rerun the tests and give you more accurate results
[07:05] <flyback> na i'd go 8/overnight
[07:05] <flyback> soft errors don't always happen
[07:05] <flyback> else the bios gay test would catch them even
[07:05] <stweston> ...
[07:05] <stweston> hm...
[07:05] <stweston> profanity much, flyback?
[07:06] <stweston> oh, nevermind...
[07:06] <stweston> I'm going to bed whether you guys like it or not.
[07:06] <stweston> LOL
[07:07] <paul928> stweston: just let memtest run overnight and check it in the am
[07:07] <stweston> ok. sounds good.
[07:07] <paul928> and have a good ni9ght
[07:07] <stweston> yeah!
[07:07] <stweston> thanks a lot! I learned that my caps aren't that bad, but they could be in the futrure... right?
[07:08] <flyback> na
[07:08] <stweston> oh.
[07:08] <stweston> ok
[07:08] <flyback> good brands will usually last the life of the board
[07:08] <flyback> but yeah they can
[07:08] <flyback> espiclaly if it's hot all thetime
[07:08] <stweston> ok.
[07:08] <stweston> so, then probably not make it a server. right?
[07:09] <flyback> na not necessarily
[07:09] <stweston> oh.
[07:09] <flyback> anyways gtg
[07:09] <stweston> all right...
[07:09] <stweston> yup. me too.
[07:09] <paul928> if you can get it running, a server should not be a problem
[07:09] <stweston> oh. ok
[07:09] <stweston> thanks, guys!
[07:10] <stweston> I never did get my first question answered, though.
[07:11] <paul928> what?
[07:11] <stweston> I was wondering about initramfs?
[07:11] <stweston> for xubuntu?
[07:11] <paul928> I believe that is initial ram file system
[07:11] <stweston> oh.
[07:11] <stweston> all right.
[07:12] <stweston> I thought it was something like that...
[07:12] <stweston> init - initial. ram - RAM....
[07:12] <stweston> got it.
[07:12] <stweston> so, this memtest was a good idea, then.
[07:12] <paul928> it will at least eliminate that as a problem if it checks out ok
[07:13] <stweston> ok
[07:13] <stweston> sounds good
[07:13] <stweston> I really have to go.
[07:13] <stweston> see ya!
[07:13] <paul928> gnight
[10:35] <R1cochet> !bluetooth
[11:17] <startup> I noticed my xubuntu pulls up everything I had open when I last shutdown upon startup, I could not find the setting to stop this feature. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
[11:33] <danopia> startup, i only konw it's called sessions
[11:55] <knome> startup, when you log out or shut down, check out the box "save session for future logins"
[11:56] <knome> startup, i think it loads the session which was last saved, so you might want to eg. log out with nothing running and then check out the box
[13:18] <itzbipin> hello.
[13:18] <knome> hello itzbipin
[13:19] <itzbipin> we are trying to install ubuntu 7.10 in compaq presario v 3000
[13:21] <itzbipin> but unable to install..the first boot screen is coming
[13:22] <itzbipin> and then after a few minutes it got hung up.
[13:22] <itzbipin> anybody there to help me
[13:24] <knome> i'm sorry, i can't help
[13:24] <itzbipin> ??
[13:24] <knome> but if you can stay around for a while, i'm sure there's somebody
[13:24] <itzbipin> ok..
[13:26] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: i assume its the standard desktop cd ... in what part of the boot process does it hang? in the splash screen?
[13:27] <itzbipin> [119.968000] bcm43xx:Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_micorcode5.fw"not available ot load failed
[13:27] <itzbipin> thus is the last message coming on the screen..
[13:27] <itzbipin> and then it got hung up
[13:28] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: well, i'm not sure if this is the problem, could you paste all the messages to the http://paste.ubuntu.com and send me a link?
[13:28] <itzbipin> some time it gets hang in the splash screen
[13:29] <itzbipin> ok
[13:30] <itzbipin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/49663/
[13:31] <itzbipin> we  tried again to install now it got hung on the splash screen itself..
[13:31] <itzbipin> is the problem with the Hardisk type..
[13:32] <itzbipin> like SATA..
[13:33] <sh4lindev> itzbipin:but you pasted only the last line ...
[13:34] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: in general, random failures might be caused by faulty RAM
[13:34] <itzbipin> yes..i have typed it.because its not possible to copy form a booting system..
[13:34] <itzbipin> when we are trying to install a fresh copy os
[13:35] <itzbipin> the system already have windows in it
[13:35] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: ok, i see ... the CD is and .iso downloaded from internet?
[13:35] <itzbipin> no its the orginal one got by request
[13:36] <itzbipin> we tried with two cds..
[13:36] <itzbipin> but the result is same..
[13:36] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: ok ... try modifying the kernel command line
[13:36] <sh4lindev> you can do that by pressing F6 in the boot menu
[13:37] <itzbipin> ok..let me try now
[13:37] <sh4lindev> try adding paramters noapic nolapic and acpi=no
[13:37] <sh4lindev> sry, acpi=off
[13:37] <itzbipin> yes
[13:37] <itzbipin> ok
[13:38] <sh4lindev> (also, when you press F1 in the boot menu, there is a guide that shoud give you other options to add to the command line
[13:38] <itzbipin> ok
[13:38] <itzbipin> will do
[13:39] <itzbipin> tying appi=off
[13:39] <itzbipin> trying acpi=off
[13:39] <sh4lindev> ok
[13:41] <itzbipin> now splash screen over and a black screen cane and then got hung up...
[13:41] <itzbipin> lets try the other options
[13:44] <sh4lindev> just btw. how old is the PC (don't have time to google it up)
[13:45] <itzbipin> after googling only i came here..
[13:45] <itzbipin> pc is 1 year old
[13:47] <sh4lindev> hm, then you should not need any of the no*
[13:48] <sh4lindev> why do you try 7.10 and not 8.04?
[13:48] <sh4lindev> (the problem that you pasted fist is with your wireless card firmware)
[13:48] <itzbipin> we have only 7.10 cd now
[13:49] <itzbipin> ok
[13:50] <itzbipin> yes...it got worked now
[13:51] <itzbipin> thanks sh4lindev
[13:51] <sh4lindev> really? ok, just what was it?
[13:51] <sh4lindev> (no problem)
[13:51] <itzbipin> we gave boot:acpi = off
[13:52] <sh4lindev> hmm... thats strange, but if that works ... ok then :)
[13:52] <itzbipin> also we switched off wireless
[13:52] <itzbipin> lan also
[13:53] <sh4lindev> you should know that acpi=off might bring other issues (it turns of some of the platform specific hardware, sometimes even USB ports and so on ... )
[13:54] <itzbipin> oh!!
[13:54] <itzbipin> any solution
[13:54] <itzbipin> to resolve it
[13:55] <sh4lindev> but it depends on your hardware, so just try it ...
[13:55] <itzbipin> ok
[16:32] <ron_o> I have long ping times. It must be coming from my modem or my ISP. I pinged google.com some 10 times and it took over 90 seconds.
[16:32] <ron_o> how can I ping my modem?
[16:33] <ron_o> and if I can ping my modem, then it must be my ISP right?
[16:33] <knome> ron_o, depends on your modem, but most probably 192.168.x.1, where x=0 or 1
[16:34] <ron_o> that's standard for modems?
[16:34] <ron_o> let met try.
[17:11] <stweston> Anyone know how I install ethernet ports on Win98?
[17:12] <zoredache> determine what card it is, download the driver and then install....
[17:12] <zoredache> any questions beyond that probably belong in #windows
[17:12] <stweston> ok... but I can't download it. the thing has no internet... ok.
[17:12] <stweston> thanks
[17:17] <bytor4232> 0_0
[17:18] <bytor4232> There is a #windows channel?
[17:18] <bytor4232> Wild
[17:18] <stweston> just click there.
[17:18] <stweston> yes.
[17:18] <bytor4232> Holy cow
[17:18] <stweston> what?
[17:18] <bytor4232> For some odd reason, that suprises me.
[17:19] <stweston> oh. LOL
[17:19] <bytor4232> A windows channel on Freenode.  What wonders my eyes have beheld.
[17:20] <stweston> LOL
[17:20] <ron_o> that's to send them to the other dead end. ;->
[17:20] <stweston> aah
[17:24] <ron_o> I have long ping times. Anyone know where I should start with this one?
[17:24] <ron_o> 97 seconds to ping google.com 10 times.
[17:25] <ron_o> It must be in my modem or my ISP.
[17:25] <stweston> I don't know...
[17:25] <stweston> sorry
[17:26] <ron_o> NNTA
[17:26] <stweston> ?
[17:26] <ron_o> no need to apologize. :)
[17:26] <stweston> oh.
[17:26] <stweston> ok
[19:50] <stweston> neither my xubuntu or Server CD will start!
[19:51] <Odd-rationale> stweston: checked integrity?
[19:51] <stweston> I've tried, but on another drive, it would only end at "Initramfs"
[19:52] <stweston> this CD won't even start.
[19:52] <stweston> erm.. this drive.
[19:55] <stweston> the last one was CSA (Acorn, I think), and this one is Sony
[19:55] <Odd-rationale> maybe it is your drive? or does it not boot on any drive?
[19:56] <stweston> it boots, but only on the CSA one...
[19:56] <stweston> but it always gets initramfs on the csa
[19:56] <stweston> or an "unable to mount CD-R drive" during the Server install.
[19:56] <stweston> this one won't even boot either.
[19:58] <Odd-rationale> stweston: did you check the md5sums of the iso?
[19:58] <stweston> I don't really know how...
[19:58] <stweston> on a mac, I mean
[19:59] <TheSheep> !md5
[19:59] <stweston> besides, I tried 2 CDs, for both installs.
[20:00] <stweston> and I DL'd the xubuntu one twice.
[20:02] <stweston> I think Ima try a third drive later...
[20:03] <stweston> thanks, anyway.
[20:08] <Deanr> Can anyone help me with my Ubuntu's slow WAN issue
[20:10] <Deanr> ??\
[21:04] <stweston> ny suggestions on how to install xubuntu by using alternate boot options commands? I keep getting initramfs+busybox prompts
[21:08] <stweston> anyone?
[21:23] <stweston> Any suggestions on how to install xubuntu by using alternate boot options commands? I keep getting initramfs+busybox prompts
[21:23] <stweston> no matter what.
[21:26] <favro> stweston: you can try   acpi=force
[21:26] <stweston> all right...
[21:26] <stweston> trying now...
[21:27] <stweston> it's loading
[21:27] <stweston> the kernel, I mean.
[21:27] <favro> so that was the one to use then?
[21:27] <stweston> I don't know. I used the acpi=force, just like you said.
[21:28] <stweston> it's trying to boot...
[21:28] <stweston> and...
[21:28] <stweston> it got the same prompt
[21:28] <stweston> I restarted.
[21:28] <stweston> know any others?
[21:28] <favro> what sort of comp is it? - and are you using the live cd or the alternate cd?
[21:29] <stweston> live CD, but it's a custom-built computer by my dad.
[21:29] <stweston> IDE drives
[21:29] <stweston> I also wonder... I'll find the forum post with the command...
[21:30] <stweston> does "all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpoll" do anything?
[21:30] <stweston> I know it's helped lots, but I've tried it, and nothing.
[21:30] <favro> I can't remember the key offhand but there is one you can press to get more info shown during the boot - it should give a clue to the prob - might be F2 or similar
[21:32] <stweston> hm...
[21:32] <stweston> sorry for the pause.
[21:32] <stweston> F2 gives languages.
[21:32] <stweston> or is it alt+F2?
[21:33] <stweston> modes!!!
[21:33] <stweston> right?
[21:33] <favro> it might be F4 - I never need it here
[21:33] <stweston> hm...
[21:33] <stweston> I can't load a shell.
[21:33] <stweston> maybe it's 'cuz I don't have the kernel open yet...
[21:34] <stweston> I've selected acpi=off, noacpi, nolacpi... does that help?
[21:34] <stweston> I'm not going to try it yet.
[21:35] <stweston> and maybe... edd=on?
[21:35] <stweston> okay, then.... I'm'a try it
[21:36] <favro> I've never seen that edd= one - and you don't put commas between them
[21:36] <stweston> I didn't.
[21:36] <favro> k
[21:36] <stweston> they were selections in the F6 menu
[21:36] <stweston> I was at the first boot screen.
[21:37] <stweston> nope.
[21:37] <stweston> didn't work.
[21:37] <stweston> re-start!
[21:37] <stweston> anyway...
[21:37] <favro> you might need to try the alternate cd
[21:37] <favro> !alternate
[21:37] <stweston> shoot...
[21:37] <stweston> I have a high-functioning comp. for this, though...
[21:38] <stweston> it's got 450 meg of ram.
[21:39] <stweston> and other features I can't list off-hand
[21:39] <favro> 450mb should be plenty
[21:39] <stweston> didn't work.
[21:39] <stweston> I don't think the CD is corrupted, either.
[21:39] <tanlaan> Hello everyone
[21:39] <stweston> I tried with 2 downloads, 2 CDs, and an Server CD
[21:39] <stweston> hi
[21:40] <favro> it is always good practise to do the md5 check
[21:40] <stweston> know any commands to use in alternate boot functions for installing xubuntu?
[21:40] <stweston> oh... good point...
[21:40] <stweston> I've heard that countless times (about the md5)
[21:41] <favro> it's said for a reason...
[21:41] <stweston> aah
[21:41] <stweston> LOL
[21:41] <favro> hehe
[21:41] <stweston> well, I've already burned tons of disks with the stuff, but it doesn't work (mainly because I can't get the burn right)...
[21:41] <stweston> but I'm thinking I shouldn't use too many more disks.
[21:42] <stweston> I'll check the ISOs, though.
[21:42] <tanlaan> I have a Compaq Presario F572us running Xubuntu 8.04 and I'm running much better than 7.10; but for some reason this laptop decides to have a few quirks. I'm guessing it is hardware issues, but the few things include no TTY screens, they show up as blank and black which ties into the other one, which is when I close my laptop's screen it will just stay black and I have to use ctrl-alt-F8 then ctrl-alt-F7 back to the GUI to make it show up
[21:42] <favro> it might be the drive is on it's last legs
[21:42] <stweston> what???
[21:42] <favro> cd burners don't last forever
[21:42] <stweston> well, this is a new MacBook...
[21:42] <stweston> bought it this summer.
[21:43]  * bytor4232 has a wierd problem
[21:43] <favro> I'd do the md5 check on the burnt cd before trying anything else
[21:43] <stweston> ok...
[21:43] <stweston> how?
[21:43] <bytor4232> My laptop overheats when it comes back from suspension and hibernation.
[21:43] <stweston> just insert it and... what?
[21:44] <favro> !md5 | stweston
[21:44] <stweston> ok. I see.
[21:44] <favro> stweston: there is an option at the start/install prompt
[21:44] <stweston> so, just do that... where? I can't enter commands.
[21:44] <stweston> ok...
[21:44] <stweston> you mean "check CD for defects"?
[21:44] <favro> yep
[21:45] <stweston> I see...
[21:45] <stweston> that never works right...
[21:45] <stweston> after loading the linux kernel, I always get the initramfs+busybox problems.
[21:45] <favro> does it pass the check?
[21:45] <stweston> er... prompts.
[21:45] <stweston> no. doesn't even start.
[21:46] <stweston> should I try it on my MacBook?
[21:46] <stweston> instead of this machine?
[21:46] <favro> I'd try burning with a diff cd drive
[21:46] <stweston> hm...
[21:46] <stweston> I mean, try the md5?
[21:46] <favro> that cd check is important
[21:46] <stweston> the check.
[21:46] <stweston> yeah.
[21:46] <stweston> I'd better try...
[21:47] <stweston> I'll eject the CD and try it on here, okay?
[21:47] <favro> sure
[21:50] <stweston> shoot... I don't know how to check the CD on my mac...
[21:51] <stweston> I'm trying a virtual machine, but it doesn't give a BIOS prompt... LOL
[21:51] <tanlaan> bytor4232: Hey, so how exactly is it reacting when coming back from hibernation/suspension?
[21:52] <stweston> how do I check the sum without the boot-up thing?
[21:52] <stweston> just go into the CD directories?
[21:52] <tanlaan> stweston: there are a bunch of md5 checkers available
[21:52] <favro> stweston: for a virtual machine you can use the iso without burning a cd
[21:53] <stweston> hm...
[21:54] <DCPom> what program is generally used to play audio CDs? Totem opens but won't play
[21:58] <stweston> so, I have the md5 number, but I don't know how to compare it to what I'm seeing on a web page... it's for 8.04, which I'm using...
[21:59] <stweston> oh!
[21:59] <stweston> wrong file... LOL
[22:00] <stweston> the xubuntu one is right...
[22:01] <stweston> but what about my Server ed.? I wonder...
[22:03] <stweston> ok... I can't find the server one, so I'm just not going to try that...
[22:03] <stweston> I still think it's a problem with the boot operations.
[22:04] <stweston> sorry. boot options.
[22:05] <stweston> hello?
[22:06] <stweston> I need help with the boot options for installing Xubuntu
[22:09] <stweston> hello?
[22:12] <stweston> anyone?
[22:41] <stweston> help!
[22:41] <stweston> I can't get xubuntu to install!
[22:42] <stweston> I keep getting initramfs prompts!
[22:47] <stweston> anyone?
[22:47] <stweston> oh, nevermind...
[23:20] <savmuni> my ubuntu crashes when i try playing games (e.g. armagetron) or when the screensaver activates, i have to restart the computer, im using dell vostro 1510. Any ideas on what could be the problem?
[23:24] <savmuni> some cooperation would be appreciated!
[23:29] <favro> it might be that your vid card driver can't support those
[23:34] <savmuni> when i start playing the game its fine
[23:35] <savmuni> it works fine on windows
[23:35] <savmuni> its only after say 5 minutes of working that it crashes
[23:40] <stweston> I need help
[23:41] <stweston> I need to know some boot operations that could help me install this xubuntu hardy CD
[23:41] <stweston> but I'll be back soon, so you can ponder this question...
[23:46] <savmuni> stweston: boot from CD, by changing the boot sequence in BIOS
[23:52] <stweston> oh. sorry
[23:52] <stweston> I can boot from it... I just keep getting initramfs.
[23:53] <stweston> but I need to go. I'll get back to this later...
[23:53] <stweston> sorry.
[23:55] <genius_> how to add new keyboard layout and how to set layout switch key?


[01:39] <Lehthanis> Heya, has anyone made an ubuntustudio ascii logo for motd?
[01:42] <Unit193> You could use the one from archey, though it isn't in the repos.
[01:46] <Lehthanis> whats archey?
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> archlinux probably
[01:50] <Unit193> No, archey is a basic sysinfo tool.
[01:50] <Unit193> (Why would it be archlinux?  Doesn't make sense in context.)
[01:50] <Unit193> It outputs a color ascii Ubuntu logo.
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> Unit193, YOU said not in the repos.
[01:54] <Unit193> archlinux is an operating system.
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> close enough context to say probably
[01:55] <wilee-nilee> not everyone here knows every single possible part of any OS, we are bound to make a mistake.
[01:56] <Lehthanis> well if it's not in the repos, whats the best way to get it? andis it just an ubuntu logo or a studio logo?
[01:58] <Unit193> Sadly, Ubuntu only.
[01:58] <Lehthanis> I'm trying to figure out how to get a motd to display in the first place on my .bashrc
[01:59] <Lehthanis> I know I can put the ascii art in /etc/motd.static
[01:59] <Unit193> https://github.com/djmelik/archey  and cat /etc/motd ?
[01:59] <Lehthanis> then I can sudo ln -s /etc/motd.static /etc/motd
[02:00] <Unit193> if [ -f /etc/motd ]; then cat /etc/motd;fi
[02:01] <Lehthanis> nice!  That's easy!
[02:02] <Unit193> You can pad it or change color too.
[02:03] <Lehthanis> do I do that in the file itself?  using bash color codes?
[02:07] <Unit193> YELLOW='\e[1;33m'   and then you can call it in an echo -e statement.
[02:08] <Unit193> http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/envrc example.
[02:11] <Lehthanis> you mean call the motd using an echo command instead of cat?
[08:46] <caodepalha> hi everyone! i just downloaded the distrho plugins. how do i add them/install to use in ardour?
[08:47] <cfhowlett> caodepalha, distro plugins?  what are you talking about?
[08:48] <cub> cfhowlett, seems to be https://github.com/falkTX/DISTRHO/issues/8
[08:48] <cfhowlett> cub, thanks.  looking ...
[08:48] <cub> also http://manual.ardour.org/working-with-plugins/getting-plugins/ there's a link. Never heard of it either..:)
[08:49] <cub> caodepalha, have you tried the instructions on http://manual.ardour.org/working-with-plugins/getting-plugins/ ?
[08:49] <cfhowlett> caodepalha, best you talk to the package maintainer as this stuff is not in the normal distro channel.
[08:49] <cub> After the plugins list there's a part on "How do I install plugins?"
[08:50]  * cub becomes a bit concerned when the page has the download links saying "donwload"
[08:51] <cfhowlett> cub, yeah, I'd have to say that's a level 4 alarm...
[08:52] <cub> maybe it's some 1337-speak I'm to old to understand. ;)
[08:52] <cub> it's falkTX stuff so should be good.
[08:53] <caodepalha> thanks cub as always
[08:54] <cub> caodepalha, if you have a standard Ubuntu Studio installation you need to install p7zip
[08:55] <caodepalha> already have it
[08:55] <caodepalha> :9
[08:55] <caodepalha> :)
[08:55] <cub> hmm no readme
[08:57] <cub> caodepalha, I would use the LV2 folder and follow the instructions on the Ardour manual page above "LV2 plugins are folders/directories. They need to installed in either /usr/lib/lv2, /usr/local/lib/lv2 or a directory mentioned in your LV2_PATH environment variable."
[08:58] <cub> I can't test on this machine myself though.
[08:58] <caodepalha> i'll check it
[12:24] <Sakrecoer> Hi!
[12:24] <Sakrecoer> I am installing 13.04 for the second time in my life on a brand new machine...
[12:25] <Sakrecoer> but this time, it's not going well at all....
[12:25] <Sakrecoer> It wont detect my ethernet...
[12:25] <Sakrecoer> which i can live with for now...
[12:25] <Sakrecoer> but i want to put it on the SSD, not the HDD...
[12:26] <Sakrecoer> HDD is SDA, and SSD is SDB...
[12:26] <Sakrecoer> at the end of the installation i get fatal error: "couldn't install grub on SDA"...
[12:27] <Sakrecoer> my motherboard support both legacy and UEFI...
[12:27] <Sakrecoer> i'm using legacy....
[12:28] <Sakrecoer> it's the second time i install 13.04, but i have done this so many times on so many different computers (don't get me wrong: i would never dare call myself an expert)... i just don't get it
[12:29] <Sakrecoer> could it be that i have to invert my drives? and put the SSD on the SATA1, so that it becomes /dev/sda ?
[12:30] <Sakrecoer> well.... yes... it seems to be like that.... installing on HDD just rendered freed from errors...
[12:32] <Sakrecoer> could there be some sort of hardcoded issue with the ubuntustudio live installer, forcing it to be on /dev/sda/ to succeed?
[12:35] <cub> Sakrecoer, hang around for a while and I hope someone with more installation skills than me comes along.
[12:35] <Sakrecoer> thanks cub! :)
[12:36] <cub> All my computers are too old to have such fancy stuff. ;)
[12:36]  * smartboyhw has never used SSD or UEFI so can't help too, sorry
[12:36] <Sakrecoer> tell me about it.... i worked my ass off a year and a half to get this super computer :D
[12:37] <Sakrecoer> oops sorry for that word ...
[12:37] <Sakrecoer> i'm just getting grey here...
[12:37] <cub> hehe
[12:37] <zequence> I've installed on SSD without problems
[12:38] <Sakrecoer> UEFI is not an issue i can do without... and SDD shouldn't much different... the thing is, grub installs if i run the ubuntu 13.04 live installer...
[12:38] <zequence> this is on a ASUS netbook, that has two small ones
[12:38] <Sakrecoer> this is why i'm thinking there is an issue with the ubuntustudio installer, that makes it impossible to install the system on /dev/sdb/
[12:39] <zequence> There's no problem installing it on any of the drives, generally
[12:39] <zequence> and you can also choose on which drive to install GRUB
[12:39] <zequence> the installer is not specific to Ubuntu Studio though
[12:39] <zequence> the installer is a program called ubiquity, and is the same one that all flavors use on their live systems
[12:39] <zequence> just with a few different settings and plugins involved
[12:40] <Sakrecoer> yeah... that my point zequence ... but if i try to put it on sdb it gives fatal error, also the possiblity to chose which drive to put grub on.... but the errors just repeats itself, regardless what i chose...
[12:40] <zequence> well, Kubuntu has their own version of the installer I think..
[12:40] <zequence> Sakrecoer: I'd check out #ubuntu-installer
[12:40] <Sakrecoer> thanks!
[12:40] <zequence> or ask on general installation ubuntu forums
[12:41] <xnox> Sakrecoer: enter manual partitioning, the drop down to select where to install grub is there.
[12:41] <xnox> zequence: i have highlights on "ubiquity" ;-)
[12:42] <zequence> xnox: Are you a ubiquity developer? Yeah, I have a few alerts on myself on half of freenode basically :P
[12:42] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:42] <cub> ans Sakrecoer if you get a solution, please come back and post the solution. So for the next one we might know.
[12:43]  * smartboyhw wonders what's on zequence's alert list
[12:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: Just lowlatency and ubuntu studio basically
[12:43] <xnox> zequence: yes, I am. I believe we also met in Switzerland?! =)
[12:43] <zequence> xnox: Oh, right. By the stone table :)
[12:43] <xnox> zequence: correct.
[12:43] <xnox> =)
[12:43]  * smartboyhw thinks of a stone table as spooky.
[12:44] <Sakrecoer> oh i will for sure!
[12:44] <Sakrecoer> especially the hole ethernet issue... it seems to be common, but the sollution is totaly disparessed all over...
[12:44]  * cub was hoping to see Hyuri do the same thing for his deleted Windows partition solution ...
[12:50] <Sakrecoer> so i'm trying manual partitioning...
[12:50] <Sakrecoer> and i'm getting unsure about the moint point....
[12:50] <Sakrecoer> should it be just "/" ?
[12:52] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... i see that none of the previous installation have a mount point...
[12:55] <zequence> Sakrecoer: "/" is for the entire file system. You need at least that, and it would be best also to include a SWAP partition - roughly twice the size of your RAM
[12:56] <zequence> If you want, you can also keep a separate "/home" partition, so you can keep files there between installs
[12:56] <zequence> another solution is to create a paritition, and manually name the mount point to something like "/data"
[12:57] <zequence> "/data" is not a Unix/linux filesystem type, but it will be mounted in /data. Then just change ownership to your user in that folder, and you can reuse it between installs
[12:58] <zequence> Each time you make a new install, do not format that paritition. Only set it to use "Ext4" and manually write the mountpoint, for example "/data"
[12:58] <zequence> Only format it the first time, of course
[12:58] <Sakrecoer> ok...
[12:59] <Sakrecoer> i would really like to have my  /home located on the HDD... in the scenario where my system is on the SSD...
[13:00] <Sakrecoer> but i'm in total doubt in front of the manual partitioner.... i have there /dev/sda with only freespace (this is the HDD),  and then there is /dev/sdb, with /dev/sdb1 in ext4 with mountpoint /
[13:01] <Sakrecoer> and /dev/sdb5 swap with no mount point...
[13:01] <Sakrecoer> now... should grub go to /dev/sdb, or /dev/sdb1 ?
[13:03] <Sakrecoer> another question is: should the type for the mount point /home be logical or primal?
[13:04] <zequence> Sakrecoer: What do you have on sda?
[13:05] <zequence> Do you have a Windows boot loader on it?
[13:05] <zequence> If you do, that meanst GRUB will replace it
[13:05] <zequence> If you aren't worried about that, put GRUB onto /sda
[13:05] <zequence> If you want to keep the boot loader on /sda, put GRUB onto /sdb
[13:06] <zequence> If you put it onto /sdb1, that means it will be insider the partition only, not in the MBR
[13:06] <zequence> which means, you can't boot from it
[13:06] <zequence> not without using another boot loader
[13:06] <Sakrecoer> aah!! i get it zequence!!
[13:06] <zequence> You can set your BIOS to boot from either drive
[13:07] <zequence> So, if you want, you can have one boot loader on each
[13:07]  * Sakrecoer is considering asking "but what is windows?" :D
[13:07] <Sakrecoer> thanks a million!
[13:07] <Sakrecoer> it is much clearer now!
[13:15] <Sakrecoer> YESS!!!!!!!!!! grub installed on /dev/sdb !!!!
[13:15] <Sakrecoer> <3
[13:16] <smartboyhw> \o/
[13:16] <Sakrecoer> now i need to solve the ethernet issue...
[13:16] <Sakrecoer> :)
[13:16] <cub> Sakrecoer, yay
[13:16] <Sakrecoer> it seems to be recommended to use the partioner if you install on a machine with many operating drives...
[13:16] <Sakrecoer> :)
[13:17] <holstein> well, you either need a partitoner or not
[13:17] <holstein> if you have already made partitions, then, you can just specify that the system use/format the ones you want to use
[13:18] <Sakrecoer> yeah... not sure i understand... but before i went pretty straight forward, and grub just wouldn't settle in /dev/sdb .... even when i picked it as drive for everything, including /home
[13:18] <Sakrecoer> aah ok,... now i see holstein :)
[13:18] <holstein> if you dont want a "pretty straight forward" install, then it gets as complex as you want it to
[13:19] <holstein> grub is assumed these days.. from all the installers
[13:19] <holstein> at least AFAIK, it is
[13:19] <Sakrecoer> maybe i should say: " it seems to be recommended to chose to put the system on /dev/sda/ when doing the automatic formating...
[13:19] <holstein> !mini
[13:19] <holstein> ^^ you can use this, for that older "alternate cd" functionality.. which will install the OS and either not install grub, or ask where you want it to go
[13:20] <holstein> then, you can add whatever you like to it.. ubuntustudio packages or whatever
[13:20] <zequence> Sakrecoer: No, it should work putting it anyway. I often put it on something else than /sda, especially when installing to a usb stick
[13:20] <holstein> i think the rationale is, if you want something custom, you'll know how to get it..
[13:20] <zequence> anywhere, I mean
[13:21] <holstein> i like to just put grub on the USB stick its self if im doing a USB stick install
[13:21] <Sakrecoer> hmm... it worked, but now i have a beutyfull terminal... no sight of desktop...
[13:21] <holstein> Sakrecoer: what did what?
[13:21] <zequence> The USB stick is usually not /sda, which is why you need to specify where GRUB goes specifically
[13:21] <zequence> and putting it on sdb or sdc works just as well
[13:21] <Sakrecoer> holstein it looks like the server version...
[13:21] <Sakrecoer> :/
[13:22] <holstein> Sakrecoer: in what way *secifically*
[13:22] <holstein> specifically*
[13:22] <holstein> ah.. i gotta run..
[13:23] <Sakrecoer> i just get pushed into terminal... no desktop, no "interface"
[13:23] <Sakrecoer> on boot...
[13:23] <holstein> sounds like you have installed something without X.. or have no graphics card support
[13:23] <holstein> Sakrecoer: i assure you, there *is* a desktop :)
[13:23] <zequence> Sakrecoer: You are sure this is Ubuntu Studio?
[13:23] <holstein> Sakrecoer: did you see it from the live CD?
[13:23] <holstein> Sakrecoer: did you get to a desktop from the live installer disc?
[13:23] <Sakrecoer> my bad... it seems i was booting from something else... probably need to go look at what i have done in the bios...
[13:24] <Sakrecoer> yes... its ubuntustudio... 13.04 .
[13:25] <Sakrecoer> ubuntustudio is the hole reason behind me getting into this linux thing in the first place :D
[13:25] <Sakrecoer> it works great!!
[13:26] <Sakrecoer> i just had to reverse my boot order :D
[13:26] <Sakrecoer> home is on HDD, and system is on SSD :)
[13:26] <Sakrecoer> WITH a desktop heheh
[13:29] <Sakrecoer> thank you so much guys, girls and robots! :) i have learned alot from this!
[13:29] <zequence> Sakrecoer: Hope you have fun with it :)
[13:30] <Sakrecoer> oh i will!!!
[13:31] <Sakrecoer> but first i need to understand how to "claim" my network device...
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> well..... that was fun while it lasted.... now i got "error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found.
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> and "grub rescue>" waiting for me to do something i might regret... HAHAH
[13:43] <Sakrecoer> anyways.... i'm gonna go cry a little river over some food now... thanks a million for your helping hands!
[13:52] <Sakrecoer> ok i didnt...
[13:52] <Sakrecoer> its insane.. started all over... it works fine on first boot...
[13:53] <Sakrecoer> then i'm back in the desktop free version...
[13:53] <Sakrecoer> and yeah.. i changed the boot order to the adequate one...
[13:53] <cub> Sakrecoer, do you get a ubuntu terminal?
[13:54] <Sakrecoer> yes...
[13:54] <Sakrecoer> but now... at thirs boot... i got back to desktop...
[13:54] <cub> can you log in there? And perhaps do 'startx'?
[13:54] <cub> Aha so it intermittent? :/
[13:54] <Sakrecoer> yes random....
[13:54] <cub> crap
[13:54] <Sakrecoer> thinking my machine might be not good :(
[13:54] <Sakrecoer> i will try startx next it happens..
[13:56] <Sakrecoer> i can login... terminal asks me for user and pass.. but go figure... 5th reboot and all fine....
[13:56] <Sakrecoer> sorry for bugging your mind with mine.... :/ now i will eat.
[13:56] <Sakrecoer> Thanks again!
[13:56] <cub> good luck, I hope you get it solved.
[13:57] <Sakrecoer> thanks!!!
[13:57] <Sakrecoer> btw i really recommend SSD for system: the speed of start up is just insane!
[15:40] <sirriffsalot> Hey guys! I've downloaded the 13.04 32-bit .iso image two times now, via torrent, and my md5sum has both times ended up being "9ef83c65f489ffd534b8bf95d4a652f0  ubuntustudio-13.04-dvd-i386.iso"
[15:40] <sirriffsalot> Anything I should know here, because the md5 on ubuntustudio.org is "6e7db5ffdb954a05545940a7bc18d00d"
[15:42] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot: oh?
[15:42] <sirriffsalot> smartboyhw: yes :(
[15:43] <sirriffsalot> smartboyhw: http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ > md5-link
[15:43] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot: hmm you have a corrupted download
[15:43] <sirriffsalot> smartboyhw: I know that -.-
[15:44] <sirriffsalot> smartboyhw: But I've downloaded it twice and I get the same erronious checksum! :(
[15:44] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot: Try not to use torrent this time
[15:44] <sirriffsalot> I am.. takes longer :(
[15:44] <sirriffsalot> erroneous *
[15:44] <OvenWerks> try zsync
[15:44] <smartboyhw> And zsync:)
[15:44] <sirriffsalot> What is that?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot: zsync is a tool that downloads AND checks the sum for you:P
[15:45] <OvenWerks> zsync will only download parts that are not right and it will also check you checksum for you
[15:45] <sirriffsalot> OvenWerks, smartboyhw aha..
[15:46] <OvenWerks> you will have to install zsync ( sudo apt-get install zsync )
[15:46] <sirriffsalot> Did so just now
[15:47] <OvenWerks> I don't have the link you need off the top of my head though
[15:47] <OvenWerks> I am not in a boot where I have all my links :)
[15:48] <sirriffsalot> Why "sudo apt-get install zsync -y" anyway?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot: -y will skip the step of you confirming the installation
[15:48] <sirriffsalot> Ah, haha
[15:48] <OvenWerks>  the -y should not be needed really.
[15:48] <sirriffsalot> How do I use this program...? Can't work it out
[15:49] <OvenWerks> in the same directory as your downloaded ISO run zsync url_of_ISO.zsync
[15:50] <sirriffsalot> Ah, found out :)
[15:52] <sirriffsalot> This was pretty useful.. how come it isn't more apparent to people unless I come here with the issue I have?
[15:53] <OvenWerks> Most people aren't downloading a new ISO every day
[15:53] <OvenWerks> It is great for keeping up with the daily builds
[15:53] <sirriffsalot> Perhaps a little * under the checksums at least, in case they fail repeatedly
[15:55] <OvenWerks> We could do that in a wiki somewhere, but we don't have access to the download page itself.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> (if it is the one I am thinking of)
[15:56] <sirriffsalot> Uhm, what the hell.. I just began that zsync download a few minutes ago in a new directory..
[15:56] <sirriffsalot> It's already downloaded 2.6 GB??
[15:56] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot, that's your old one, probably:P (It does sync the contents for you if you have a old ISO)
[15:56] <sirriffsalot> Lol
[15:57] <sirriffsalot> You're right
[15:57] <sirriffsalot> 6e7db5ffdb954a05545940a7bc18d00d
[15:57] <smartboyhw> sirriffsalot, yeah, that.
[15:57] <sirriffsalot> Well, I'm satisfied, putting it to a stick :)
[15:57] <sirriffsalot> 16gb 3.0 USB-stick :D:D
[15:58] <OvenWerks> sirriffsalot: how fast is it to write to?
[15:58] <sirriffsalot> 3.0
[15:58] <sirriffsalot> Oh
[15:58] <sirriffsalot> Specifics, lol
[15:58] <OvenWerks> I found that with my USB sticks the USB IF was not the bottleneck
[15:59] <sirriffsalot> 50 MB/s read, 20 MB/s write
[15:59] <OvenWerks> My USB drive was much faster for writes than the usb stick.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> That is much better.
[15:59] <sirriffsalot> Your usb drive being?
[15:59] <OvenWerks> An old 40G out of a lap top
[16:00] <OvenWerks> Not even SATA
[16:00] <OvenWerks> just IDE
[16:01] <sirriffsalot> Curious
[16:02] <OvenWerks> Both are USB 2.0, but like I say the USB IF is obviously not the limiting factor
[16:02] <OvenWerks> I can run my system off the USB drive, but the USB stick is painfully slow... unusable
[16:04] <sirriffsalot> OvenWerks: what usb-stick is it?
[19:40] <thurstylark> Does anybody here use a Blue Snowball (or other usb mics/soundcards) with JACK? I can't seem to get mine to play nice with anything  but Audacity and I would like more options.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> thurstylark: if it works with pulse it should work with jack
[19:42] <OvenWerks> which distro are you using?
[19:43] <OvenWerks> (and version)
[19:43] <thurstylark> Stock Ubuntu 13.04 with Ardour and it's dependencies.
[19:43] <thurstylark> (keepin it light as i can)
[19:44] <thurstylark> Do you think I need to install the ubuntustudio-audio (or whatever it's called) package to get more control over my sound cards?
[19:44] <OvenWerks> is jack installed RT?
[19:45] <thurstylark> Hmm. i don't remember. is there a simple way to check that?
[19:45] <OvenWerks> ls /etc/security/limits.d/ should show audio.conf
[19:46] <thurstylark> yup.
[19:46] <thurstylark> it does
[19:46] <OvenWerks> have you put yourself in the audio group?
[19:47] <thurstylark> hmm... apparently not.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> sudo usermod -a -G audio <userid>
[19:49] <thurstylark> can I use the username instead of userid?
[19:50] <OvenWerks> the user at the prompt
[19:50] <thurstylark> or, how do I find my userid?
[19:51] <OvenWerks> echo $USER
[19:51] <thurstylark> Cool
[19:51] <thurstylark> Got it.
[19:51] <thurstylark> So, what all should that change, as far as my capabilities?
[19:51] <OvenWerks> jack should run
[19:52] <OvenWerks> Are you using qjackctl to start jack?
[19:52] <OvenWerks> (recomened)
[19:52] <OvenWerks> You may have to stop any running jacks
[19:53] <OvenWerks> killall -9 jack
[19:53] <OvenWerks> I think
[19:53] <OvenWerks> may have to do one for jackd and one for jackdbus
[19:54] <thurstylark> Yeah, I use it to test jack config, but I usually let Ardour start jack for me when I want to use it
[19:54] <OvenWerks> that works too, if that interface is easier for you
[19:54] <OvenWerks> qjackctl has a logs window for debugging
[19:55] <thurstylark> Does Ardour care whether it starts jack or I do?
[19:55] <OvenWerks> not at all.
[19:55]  * thurstylark feels like i should know this by now...
[19:55] <thurstylark> cool
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I think the ardour devs would prefer jack to be already running
[19:56] <thurstylark> makes sense.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> Something to note, some audio IFs will only start at 48k, not 44.1k. others are opposite.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> however 48K is the standard everywhere but CDs
[19:58] <OvenWerks> Pulse will have figured that out on it's own, not jack
[19:58] <thurstylark> Yeah, I think the snowball is locked at 44.1k...
[19:58] <OvenWerks> The logs should tell you if jack failed to set rate
[19:59] <thurstylark> Cool.
[20:00] <thurstylark> That tells me what I need to know about it.
[20:00] <thurstylark> I don't have it with me to test right now, but I had some time on my hands
[20:00] <thurstylark> Thanks for the help!
[20:01] <OvenWerks> If your USB audio IF siglently fails to set rate, then the sound will have crackles in it.
[20:01] <OvenWerks> no prob
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[22:06] <nacho> hello
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