[08:43] <vikram_> Hi All
[08:44] <vikram_> I am looking out for a allinone openstack package for openstack
[08:44] <vikram_> can anyone plz suggest some .iso
[09:28] <Walex2> vikram_: given the enormous number of OpenStack components that is a very vague question
[09:29] <Walex2> vikram_: the "standard" way of doing OpenStack on Ubuntu server is via Juju "charms" though. Unfortunately both Juju and OpenStack tend to be amazingly buggy.
[09:44] <vikram_> Walex2: oh
[09:44] <vikram_> Walex2: I just want a basic openstack deployment model
[09:46] <vikram_> i remember one ubuntu package for icehouse was released earlier
[10:31] <ducasse> I'm setting up a home file server and was thinking of using ZFS to mirror the main data disks, but the machine hasn't got ECC memory. Should I still go with ZFS, or would it be better to use mdadm + ext4 or maybe btrfs?
[11:36] <RickyB98> hello :)
[11:36] <RickyB98> i configured sasl on postfix and dovecot, but my client can still use SMTP without logging in.. authentication works, but no login works too.. how can i restrict that?
[11:39] <RickyB98> also, i configured mail to use Maildir/, doing MAIL=/home/myuser/Maildir/, but when i open an email with mail from mailutils, they get deleted and saved to mbox.. what's the variable to change that?
[11:50] <RickyB98> anyone here?
[11:54] <rbasak> !patience | RickyB98
[11:55] <RickyB98> i'm not repeating your question..
[11:55] <RickyB98> my question*
[11:55] <rbasak> "if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you"
[11:56] <rbasak> Sorry I can't tune the bot's reply for the exact situation. It's close enough and I hope still helpful.
[11:56] <RickyB98> however, someone in #ubuntu told me to come here.. now i was being answered there, should i go back there?
[11:56] <RickyB98> going to idle here anyway, not gonna run away after 5 minutes :P
[12:12] <ziyourenxiang> RickyB98: by client do you mean an external machine connecting to yoru postfix over SMTP and relaying?
[12:13] <RickyB98> client as in a mail client, could be thunderbird or anything
[12:13] <RickyB98> i'm using mac's default atm
[12:22] <matt_dupre> ducasse: I've been running ZFS without ECC for years and never noticed any problems.  I'm not really qualified to judge the risk vs non-ECCed mdadm / btrfs, but personally I wouldn't consider it a factor in deciding between them.
[12:23] <ducasse> matt_dupre: OK, thanks. Is it a good choice for a small, home fileserver?
[12:37] <matt_dupre> ducasse: I like it: I actually run on FreeBSD, but I hear ZFS on Linux has come on a long way.  I think the biggest weakness is that it can be tricky to add disks later on.
[12:38] <ducasse> matt_dupre: I though one of it's strengths was that is was easy to expand by adding disks, but that might not be true for mirrors - I don't know.
[12:38] <matt_dupre> (For example, you can't add a disk to a RAIDZ, so you can't just buy an extra disk every couple of years.  Big upgrades (e.g. doubling capacity) are usually simpler.
[12:38] <matt_dupre> Yeah, mirrors are easier
[12:39] <ducasse> matt_dupre: that's what I will be doing. If I set up 2x3TB now I can expand with two new disks later, right?
[12:39] <matt_dupre> Yeah, you can go from a RAID1 to a RAID10
[12:41] <ducasse> matt_dupre: OK, thanks. I think I'll go with ZFS because there's a possibility I will move to either FreeBSD or FreeNAS later, and then I should be able to just export/import the pool, according to everything I've read... Besides, I'm not sure if btrfs is really a good alternative yet.
[12:42] <matt_dupre> Yeah, as long as you take care to create the pool at the minimum version supported across everything.
[12:44] <matt_dupre> Other bit of creation-time advice is to try to get the right ashift (google it).  Your drives are probably 4k sectors internally, but report as being 512byte.
[12:51] <ducasse> matt_dupre: I know about the ashift thing, all drives use 4K physical, 512 logical, so I'll use 12. Also I think FreeBSD is generally ahead of ZoL in what feature flags are supported, so that should be fine. Thanks a lot for your advice!
[13:14] <coreycb> jamespage, I've been struggling for too long to get hypothesis test failures situated, so I'm going to drop hypothesis from python-cryptography for now.  It only affects one test function.
[13:14] <jamespage> coreycb, okay
[13:32] <wojtczak> my ubuntu server doesnt boot, I've installed it via debootstrap on lvm and raid. made sure to configure network, grub in chroot. now the server doesnt respond, back in rescue mode I don't see network interfaces in dmesg. I've tried adding ixgbe module to /etc/modules but this does not help. https://gist.github.com/sabcio/5a8dea26ecee26af5fa5
[13:46] <MACscr> ok, so im booting servers through pxe iscsi root and using the same initdrd.ig for all servers. The problem is that i need a unique /etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi in initrd for each host. Any way to dynamically create it? ive seen ways to do it with sysconfig on a redhat based system, but no clue for ubuntu/deb
[13:48] <Walex2> wojtczak: you may have to add them to the 'initrd'
[13:48] <MACscr> Walex2: was that meant for me or was someone else talking about initrd before i got in here?
[13:49] <wojtczak> Walex2: thx, something to google about
[13:49] <MACscr> ah, guess you were. lol
[14:20] <coreycb> jamespage, can you sponsor my changes for xenial?  https://git.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/ubuntu/+source/python-cryptography/
[14:21] <coreycb> jamespage, it builds successfully
[15:00] <smoser> magicalChicken, rharper i tried to write some of the things i think are next on the list for curtin at
[15:00] <smoser>  https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/curtin-work-201512
[15:01] <magicalChicken> smoser: Nice
[15:01] <magicalChicken> smoser: I had started doing some work on separating logic between block and block meta last night
[15:02] <magicalChicken> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~wesley-wiedenmeier/curtin/partitioning-cleanup
[15:04] <smoser> looking
[15:09] <coreycb> zul, can you sponsor this for xenial?  https://git.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/ubuntu/+source/python-cryptography/
[15:10] <zul> coreycb: yeah lemme finish what im doing first
[15:10] <coreycb> zul, sponsoring it
[15:10] <coreycb> :)
[15:11] <coreycb> zul, I dropped hypothesis from python-cryptography for now because it's tests don't run and I've had trouble getting them running successfully.  It only affects one test function for python-cryptography.
[15:11] <smoser> magicalChicken, why 'extra_init' ?
[15:12] <magicalChicken> smoser: Ah, yeah, I know that's a little ugly
[15:12] <magicalChicken> smoser: The idea was that the BlockDevice class could be the parent of Disk as well as Partition
[15:12] <smoser> well, i agree with that.
[15:12] <magicalChicken> smoser: And possibly the virtual filesystem layers as well, and I wanted to keep as much common functionality in the super class as possible
[15:13] <smoser> but super() is the typical way of doing that. no?
[15:13] <magicalChicken> smoser: Yeah, I guess that would probably be better, it's probably not great to try to just have one __init__
[15:15] <smoser> and then generally, when you're doing something.. unless you have a reason to merge with a branch from somewhere other than trunk, you should avoid that.
[15:15] <smoser> to just keep a branch doing 1 thing.
[15:15] <magicalChicken> smoser: Yeah that makes sense
[15:16] <magicalChicken> smoser: I was thinking I could add a Disk.wipe() function that could call the block.wipe_volume function
[15:16] <magicalChicken> smoser: But yeah, it would probably have been better to wait to merge that
[15:16] <smoser> right.
[15:17] <smoser> the other htig is that we have 2 types of block devices. one that is "to be done" and one that is existing now.
[15:17] <smoser> BlockDevice(dev="/dev/vda")
[15:18] <magicalChicken> smoser: yeah, that makes sense
[15:18] <smoser> BlockDevice(config={'id': 'abc', 'type': xx}
[15:18] <magicalChicken> smoser: This code should handle that okay though I think
[15:18] <magicalChicken> smoser: You can create a disk based on the path it already has
[15:19] <magicalChicken> smoser: maybe a function to determine the difference between a config and what exists would be good
[15:19] <zul> coreycb: done
[15:21] <smoser> magicalChicken, right. essentially a factory
[15:22] <rharper> smoser: reading
[15:23] <magicalChicken> smoser: I was also thinking instead of going through config elements one at a time we could unflatten the config into a hirearchy of BlockDevice instances
[15:23] <magicalChicken> smoser: And apply the config from the top down
[15:23] <smoser> i think that is generally necessary, yes
[15:24] <magicalChicken> smoser: That should be faster, because we could create all the partitions in one go and keep track of state on everything
[15:24] <rharper> if we have the order, it'
[15:24] <rharper> it's also possible to run some of those in parallel
[15:25] <rharper> no reason I can create a partition on 5 different devices at the same time either (though that's performance enhancement for later)
[15:25] <smoser> i didnt realize we were creating each partition individually.
[15:25] <smoser> stil
[15:25] <magicalChicken> rharper: yeah, that would be pretty nice
[15:25] <smoser> yeah, ./split-disk.py /dev/vdb 32
[15:25] <smoser> is taking a while :)
[15:25] <rharper> hehe
[15:25] <coreycb> zul, thanks, appreciate it
[15:25] <magicalChicken> smoser: Yeah, the way the partitions are made right now is kinda slow...
[15:26] <smoser> rharper, i'm not opposed to parallel. but i'm not happy with the predictability of the whole system as it is . i dont feel a strong need to add more to races to it. :)
[15:26] <rharper> smoser: magicalChicken, also, I think we need to look again at the udevadm settle bits, there are some extra flags like the --exit-if-exits=/path/to/file/
[15:27] <rharper> smoser: for sure; I'm highlighting some opportunity once we switch away from in-order handling
[15:27] <magicalChicken> rharper: yeah, that would definitely help the current devsync fix
[15:28] <magicalChicken> rharper: also, refactoring like this would mean that we could keep track of whether or not we've synced with udev for each device
[15:34] <smoser> hm.
[15:38] <nat0> Is there any debian-installer instruction that can be passed thru a preseed file to tell anna-installer not to check for upgrade paths on the repo mirror?
[15:43] <nat0> It's truly bizarre how this is only a problem when deploying new ubuntu machines and not vanilla debian ones...
[15:45] <smoser> nat0, sorry, cant help.
[15:45] <nat0> ;_;
[16:23] <smoser> rharper, magicalChicken so, i never recognized this before
[16:24] <smoser> but there is a device node availability limitation that means more than 16 partitions is odd.
[16:24] <smoser> ie, /dev/vda16 wont get created nor will /sys/class/block/vda16 exist
[16:24] <rharper> yeah, the minor number space right ?
[16:24] <smoser> right
[16:24] <rharper> yeah, hence lvm
[16:24] <magicalChicken> wow, I didn't know that
[16:25] <magicalChicken> so should we check if the partitioning config has more than 16 parts on a disk?
[16:25] <magicalChicken> or is that something that we should trust the config generator to do?
[16:26] <patdk-wk> would be more than lvm, should apply to all block devices
[16:26] <patdk-wk> such as putting >16 partitions into a gpt disk
[16:28] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14029368/ <-- some info on it.
[16:28] <smoser> patdk-wk, right. thats just what i did ^. i put 20 partitions on a gpt disk, and only 15 of the partitions have block devices.
[16:29] <rharper> patdk-wk: lvm and devicemapper can work around it by allowing new device node space to map to other parts of the disk
[16:29] <patdk-wk> oh, he meant lvm as a solution :)
[16:29] <rharper> that's why I mentioned lvm
[16:29]  * patdk-wk doesn't like lvm
[16:29] <RoyK> patdk-wk: why not?
[16:30] <patdk-wk> it goes ontop of the devicemapper stack
[16:30] <patdk-wk> and I have noticed nothing but write latency issues when I use that
[16:30] <RoyK> so what if it works?
[16:30] <patdk-wk> it seems to buffer my writes for a few seconds
[16:30] <patdk-wk> causing horrible issues on some of my servers, and on my workstation
[16:30] <patdk-wk> remove lvm/devicemapper, no more random stalls while it writes
[16:30] <RoyK> patdk-wk: then something is probably bad somewhere else - I'm using it on 150 servers and it works well for me ;)
[16:31] <patdk-wk> heh? you should know that is not the definition of *it works*
[16:31] <patdk-wk> the ONLY change, was to remove lvm
[16:31] <patdk-wk> and the problems went away
[16:31] <patdk-wk> no hardware changes
[16:31] <patdk-wk> nothing else
[16:32] <smoser> interesting, even if you worked around this limitation by having dm magically create device nodes named /dev/vdb16 that did what it *should* do it wouldnt appear the same in /sys/class/block as /dev/vdb15 does . the reader would have to know about dm to understand it.
[16:32] <patdk-wk> had the issue here on ubuntu 10.04/12.04, and on rhel5
[16:32] <RoyK> patdk-wk: I've never seen 2-3secs latency
[16:32] <patdk-wk> royk, there are kernel settings for it
[16:32] <RoyK> patdk-wk: what sorts?
[16:32] <patdk-wk> they might have changed, I had adjust them, but never could find ones that seemed to work better
[16:33] <RoyK> patdk-wk: got any docs on this?
[16:33] <patdk-wk> looking
[16:33] <patdk-wk> back when I cared to fix this issue, I did :)
[16:33] <patdk-wk> but been a few years
[16:33] <RoyK> patdk-wk: it just seems strange, after all, centos/rhel has been shipping with lvm by default for years
[16:34] <patdk-wk> yes, and I was having all kinds of issues on a very busy webserver
[16:34] <patdk-wk> removed that lvm from it, issues went away
[16:35] <RoyK> strng
[16:36] <patdk-wk> but it seemed to me, if I remember write, it was getting buffered twice into the write buffer or something like that
[16:36] <patdk-wk> adjust vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs would help to a point
[16:38] <patdk-wk> heh, cannot remember the right things
[16:38] <patdk-wk> but I had the isuse on several different machines, the result was always the same, it would feel like the machine just froze up for several seconds, while it dumped a bunch of writes to disk, then go back to normal
[16:39] <patdk-wk> and only happened with using devicemapper
[16:50] <smoser>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin/+bug/1526437 <-- magicalChicken rharper
[16:51] <magicalChicken> smoser: Makes sense
[16:51] <magicalChicken> smoser: I can add a check for that in partition_handler sometime today
[16:55] <smoser> magicalChicken, give yourself a name at $ sudo /tmp/even-partition /dev/vdb 20
[16:55] <smoser> size=40960M numparts=20 partitions_of=2047M label=gpt dev=/dev/vdb
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=2048 curend=4194304 part=0
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=4194304 curend=8386560 part=1
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=8386560 curend=12578816 part=2
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=12578816 curend=16771072 part=3
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=16771072 curend=20963328 part=4
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=20963328 curend=25155584 part=5
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=25155584 curend=29347840 part=6
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=29347840 curend=33540096 part=7
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=33540096 curend=37732352 part=8
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=37732352 curend=41924608 part=9
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=41924608 curend=46116864 part=10
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=46116864 curend=50309120 part=11
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=50309120 curend=54501376 part=12
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=54501376 curend=58693632 part=13
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=58693632 curend=62885888 part=14
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=62885888 curend=67078144 part=15
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=67078144 curend=71270400 part=16
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=71270400 curend=75462656 part=17
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=75462656 curend=79654912 part=18
[16:55] <smoser> curstart=79654912 curend=83884032 part=19
[16:56] <smoser> created 20 partitions on /dev/vdb
[16:56] <smoser> $ ls -l /sys/class/block/vdb* -d
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 10 18:58 /sys/class/block/vdb -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb1 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb1
[16:56] <rharper> heh
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb10 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb10
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb11 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb11
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb12 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb12
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb13 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb13
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb14 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb14
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 15 16:25 /sys/class/block/vdb15 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/virtio2/block/vdb/vdb15
[16:56] <smoser> lrwxrwxrwx 1 r
[16:56] <rharper> magicalChicken: I'd wait until we're building the config hierarchy, we'll instantly know then (rather than just checking if the current partition exceeds the limit)
[16:56] <smoser> oh crap
[16:56] <smoser> shame on smoser
[16:56] <smoser> shame
[16:56] <smoser> https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/curtin-work-201512
[16:56] <magicalChicken> rharper: Yeah, that makes sense
[16:56] <magicalChicken> smoser: lol
[16:58] <smoser> magicalChicken, so i think the first thing to do is to get "create a set of tests that run multiple storage configs serially"
[16:58] <magicalChicken> smoser: Yeah, that makes sense
[16:58] <smoser> with minimal cleanup or improvement involved
[16:59] <magicalChicken> smoser: Maybe the best thing to do would be to just write a script to do multiple installs in a vm and communicate with it via http or something
[16:59] <smoser> and then we will heavily rely on those tests to ensure that otherthings are working well.
[16:59] <smoser> i think we specifically want to shortcut 'install'
[17:00] <rharper> smoser: we also talked about running multiple curtin install commands
[17:00] <magicalChicken> yeah, 90% of the time is spent doing extract/curthooks right now
[17:00] <rharper> it could be a payload of configs, and running curtin install on each one in sequence
[17:02] <smoser> rharper, testing suport for how subiquity calls curtin is important. i'll agree with that.
[17:02] <magicalChicken> I think that one platform could be used for both goals though
[17:02] <smoser> i just want to test storage config specifically.
[17:02] <magicalChicken> we just need a way to start a vm, then from a test script pass in configs to partition or configs to install
[17:04] <smoser> i'm not opposed at all to running 'nosetests tests/vm-storage-tests/' inside a vm
[17:04] <magicalChicken> yeah, that would work pretty well
[17:04] <magicalChicken> and we could just have a data partition like with vmtests where it could write it's results as it runs
[17:05] <teward> anyone willing to sanity-check the nginx merge debdiff for me, out of curiosity?  Hate to ask, but as I've been working on this since 11:00 yesterday (with an 8 hour break overnight for sleep!)... it could use another check
[17:05] <smoser> right.
[17:06] <magicalChicken> I can get started on that now, I can't really find any decent way to identify a disk to udev on Trusty
[17:07] <smoser> teward, if you pastebinit, i can say "that looks too long for me to review right now".  ie, i can take a very cursory look.
[17:07] <teward> smoser: would an uploaded-to-launchpad link work?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1510096/+attachment/4535172/+files/nginx-merge_debian-vs-ubuntu_nginx_1.9.6-2_1.9.6-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[17:07] <teward> SILENCE, bug bot >.<
[17:08] <smoser> magicalChicken, lets try to separate out the copying of results somewhere from the running of the tests.
[17:08] <smoser> and even separate the tests by number of disks required or something.
[17:08] <teward> smoser: it *should* be fine, the larger merge debdiff from 1.9.3 -> 1.9.6 aincluded is on the bug
[17:08] <magicalChicken> sure, okay
[17:08] <teward> (but that debdiff there compares Debian to the merge itself, to see what's actually changed there)
[17:09] <smoser> as ideally i'd like to be able to launch a vm somewhere, and then just type: nosetests tests/vm-storage-config
[17:09] <smoser> and skipIf@ the ones that aren't going to run for me.
[17:09] <smoser> teward, i was afraid you were going ot say 'merge' :)
[17:09] <teward> smoser: it is a merge :)
[17:10] <smoser> always so hard to do that.
[17:10] <teward> smoser: i've got both debdiffs present, force of habit
[17:10] <teward> it builds.  it runs.  it IDs as the updated software.
[17:10] <teward> and because Sec team mandates it, HTTP/2 is disabled
[17:10] <teward> the headache is it expands the delta
[17:10] <smoser> have you looked at all at rbasak's process for merges ? its really good. separating out the 'logical ubuntu delta' into a set of patches.
[17:10] <smoser> https://github.com/basak/ubuntu-git-tools
[17:11] <teward> yeah i have, except I've never been able to get a handle on his process...
[17:11] <teward> and the 'logical ubuntu delta' is the one i did link here
[17:11] <teward> (all the stuff from the previous merges included, plus additional *new* mandates from the sec team)
[17:12] <teward> (i.e. the Ubuntu branding, ubuntu-core added, the apport hooks we had to add for Wily+...
[17:12] <teward> i should probably put this down for a day and relax :/
[17:12] <teward> i can wait for rbasak to once-over it
[17:12] <teward> though i can easily upload direct :P
[17:16] <smoser> teward, you seem to have done a careful job, but i think i dont have time to review at the moment.
[17:23] <smoser> magicalChicken, do you have a reason taht you have used 'partprobe' rather than 'blockdev --rereadpt' ?
[17:25] <magicalChicken> smoser: not really, I assumed they did the same thing pretty much
[17:25] <magicalChicken> smoser: I know partprobe triggers the udev events for creating the block device
[17:29] <smoser> yeah. they are definitely different. and partprobe is smarter i think.  watch 'udevadm monitor' and run each. partprobe generates a lot more interaction.
[17:29] <smoser> i think the difference is that partprobe is actually reading the partition table itself, and telling the kernel about it. where rrpart is just telling the kernel "hey, reread the table there".
[17:30] <magicalChicken> smoser: that makes sense
[17:30] <magicalChicken> smoser: I guess we don't actually need to read the table ourselves then
[17:31] <magicalChicken> smoser: I think once we stop doing everything in steps and write the whole partition table in one go then we won't really need to do that anymore
[17:33] <smoser> magicalChicken, well just suspect we dont need to do it now.
[17:34] <magicalChicken> tjat
[17:34] <magicalChicken> *that's probably true
[17:34] <smoser> tjat
[17:34] <smoser> well said
[17:34] <magicalChicken> lol
[19:42] <smoser> magicalChicken, one other thing 'll add to thath pad.
[19:43] <smoser> nicder subprocess execution output log
[19:43] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14025172/
[19:44] <magicalChicken> smoser, yeah that would be nice to do
[19:48] <magicalChicken> smoser, we don't need to show all stdout when curtin fails, we could always write stdout to a tmp file, but including it in the logs takes up a lot of space
[19:49] <smoser> i think we want it in the log. i dont care about space. i just want to easily see the error.
[19:50] <magicalChicken> okay, yeah. it shouldn't take too much work to get it to print with proper formatting


[02:22] <LemonFox> is there a way for automatic translation in Konversation?
[04:19] <coolAyanami> Hey.
[04:23] <coolAyanami> Official support?
[04:25] <valorie> coolAyanami: do you have a question?
[04:25] <valorie> unsure what you mean by "official"
[04:27] <coolAyanami> I'm just asking. I notice the server name says this is official support lol
[04:27] <valorie> if you have a question, comment or problem, this is one place to say it
[04:27] <coolAyanami> I do, but it's irc related lmao
[04:28] <coolAyanami> I'm new to both IRC and Kubuntu, see. I mainly used Linux Lite before I made the switch to Kubuntu
[04:28] <valorie> how are you faring so far?
[04:28] <valorie> not familiar with linux lite
[04:30] <coolAyanami> I like this version. The first one I tried about a year ago (I think 16.04.02) had a buggy interface.
[04:30] <valorie> glad to hear it
[04:32] <coolAyanami> So I notice the default IRC client for Kubuntu is Konversation. How do you get a channel list on this client?
[04:33] <coconut> coolAyanami:  /list
[04:34] <valorie> !alis
[04:34] <valorie> alis is better for freenode, since there are such a massive number of channels
[04:34] <valorie> most of FOSSy projects are here
[04:35] <valorie> using /list will work very well on smaller servers, for sure
[04:37] <coolAyanami> I've noticed in HexChat you can search for servers. Can you do that in Konversation?
[04:41] <valorie> not that I know of
[04:41] <valorie> of course all you would be "searching" is a database they include
[04:41] <coolAyanami> OK, I tried that command. I've joined another channel. Thanks both of you!
[04:41] <valorie> nice to meet ya
[04:42] <coolAyanami> How do you @mention someone in IRC? Can that even happen?
[04:57] <coconut> coolAyanami: never use that "at" symbol, it will wake people up.
[04:58] <coconut> coolAyanami: you can just write my nickname and i will be notified in my client. (use tab for auto completing)
[04:59] <coolAyanami> coconut: Like this?
[04:59] <coconut> coolAyanami: there is quassel irc client too under KDE. Though i don't use that.
[04:59] <coconut> yes like that
[04:59] <coolAyanami> And it notifies you the way I wrote it?
[04:59] <coconut> yes
[05:00] <coconut> and then there is away mode, which you can see whether i am away of my computer or not. (although not everyone use that)
[05:01] <Unit193> coconut: irc.netsplit.de is likely the best option of finding other networks, fwiw.
[05:01] <Unit193> Err, coolAyanami*
[05:04] <coolAyanami> OK. Thanks again! I'm going to try irc.netsplit.de next.
[05:07] <Unit193> coolAyanami: It's just a website to browse, not connect to.
[05:08] <coolAyanami> Oh. I feel dumb. I have quite some learning to do.
[05:09] <coolAyanami> You're right Unit193! It's better this way. (Did this notify you?)
[05:10] <Unit193> coolAyanami: Yes, I have highlights hooked up to system notifications so I get a little bubble.
[05:10] <Unit193> (Also, scoll lock LED blinks in case something is full screen and blocking such notifications.)
[05:10] <coolAyanami> What? You can do that?!
[05:15] <coolAyanami> Do you have to modify the firmware or something on your keyboard to do that Unit193?
[05:15] <Unit193> Nooo, not at all.
[05:15] <Unit193> xset led 3;sleep 3;xset -led 3  to blink it.
[05:17] <coolAyanami> On terminal?
[05:17] <Unit193> Yeah.
[05:20] <coolAyanami> This is odd.  Linux Lite is great, and it's based off of XFCE
[05:55] <valorie> coolAyanami: you can add that under the server tab in konvi
[05:59] <coolAyanami> I don't know how to do that.
[06:01] <valorie> or: https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation#Auto-join_channels
[06:01] <valorie> just right-click and choose that
[06:01] <valorie> I didn't know about that
[06:01] <valorie> cool
[06:04] <coolAyanami> Nice! Thanks once again
[07:08] <coolAyanami> Yo, how do you use an IME for Japanese in Kubuntu?
[07:11] <coolAyanami> valorie: All the guides for installing a Japanese IME are around 4 years old now.
[07:12] <valorie> IME?
[07:13] <valorie> the Plasma team is making huge strides on japanese, chinese and korean input stuff, if that's your question
[07:14] <valorie> in a few hours that channel (#plasma) will come alive - european working hours
[07:14] <valorie> although it is the weekend
[07:15] <valorie> we work closely with all our "upstreams" -- KDE, Ubuntu and Debian
[07:15] <coolAyanami> Yes, Japanese and Korean input
[07:16] <valorie> I know there is a Korean student working all this summer on improvements for Google Summer of Code
[07:16] <valorie> I mean, it will improve things for all languages, but since those seem to be the most difficult, that's where the effort is focussed
[07:22] <coolAyanami> So no way to input in Japanese in Kubuntu rn? Without installing stuff?
[07:33] <coolAyanami> valorie: I made it confusing. My question was if there was a way to type Japanese characters in this regular keyboard (e.g. by IME).
[10:45] <unprss078__> im new with all of this and seriously dont know what im doing sometimes. Cause of xtreme situations im living in , im forced to start learning about the freedom called Internet, Computing and Developing
[10:46] <unprss078__> please tell me if i do or say something wrong. I will directly work on it. Fast learner
[10:48] <unprss078__>  its all about the orange
[11:02] <Aasif> can i know a good ide for c++ dev
[11:03] <The_Seeker> Aasif: kdevelop
[11:03] <Aasif> good for production?
[11:04] <Aasif> like for not just hobby projects
[11:04] <The_Seeker> absolutely
[11:05] <Aasif> thanks ill check it out
[11:05] <Aasif> wierdly its already on my machine.. never tried it
[11:05] <Aasif> i usually use codelite
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:58] <instoogentall> can anyone help with the power management on Plasma? I enjoy the fact that some programs are able to suppress it, but is it possible to still make the screen lock and turn off after some time, even if ktorrent for example is running?
[17:21] <hangar18> hey guys i'm trying to get latte dock started and i've forgotten how. i've had it once before and i can't get it back up and running. i've installed the backports for it and now i just need some help with getting it onto my desktop
[18:04] <Camilovesky> Hello, can someone tell me what do I need in requirments for kubuntu 18.04?
[18:05] <coolAyanami> Camilovesky: requirements?
[18:06] <Camilovesky> how many ram memory etc ;)
[18:11] <coolAyanami> Camilovesky: Here are the system requirements: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[18:11] <Camilovesky> 10x
[19:03] <Aasif> libgl1-mesa-dev
[19:03] <Aasif> installed it
[19:03] <Aasif> and now after i reboot can only see a mouse pointer
[19:03] <Aasif> it froze before getting to the login screen
[19:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: can a dev package cause suck a think?
[19:04] <phoenix_firebrd> *such
[19:04] <Aasif> i donno
[19:04] <Aasif> dev packages have drivers too right?
[19:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: have tried after removing that package?
[19:05] <Aasif> yope
[19:05] <Aasif> dint work
[19:05] <Aasif> was i right?
[19:05] <Aasif> suppose there are two packages aPackage and aPackage-dev
[19:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: I dont know, may be it might have pulled a driver as a dependency
[19:05] <Aasif> if i install aPackage-dev it will also install aPackage right
[19:05] <Aasif> yea that might be the case
[19:06] <Aasif> but i dont have any dedicated gpu
[19:06] <Aasif> its just INTEL HD 620
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: let me check the dependency of the libgl1-mesa-dev package
[19:08] <Aasif> cool thanks
[19:10] <Aasif> i also lost the window manager when i ran sdl demo program
[19:10] <Aasif> after a fresh install of kubuntu
[19:10] <Aasif> SDL 2.0
[19:10] <Aasif> but other projects that were built on top of sdl like pygame worked fine
[19:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: I see no package other than dev package as a dependency. Do you see any error message during boot?
[19:11] <Aasif> unfortunately no
[19:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: also can you see the login screen?
[19:11] <Aasif> the kubuntu logo appeared , then black screen came up and all i can see is mouse
[19:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: can you open a tty?
[19:13] <Aasif> yea
[19:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: can you try deleting the .xauthority file in your home and then restart your system?
[19:14] <phoenix_firebrd> home folder I mean
[19:15] <Aasif> hm?
[19:15] <Aasif> home folder?
[19:15] <Aasif> you mean ~/.xauthority
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: ya
[19:15] <Aasif> alright
[19:16] <Aasif> can i know what that library is used for?
[19:16] <Aasif> opengl?
[19:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: graphics
[19:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: which one?
[19:16] <Aasif> libgl1-mesa-dev
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: graphics library for development
[19:18] <phoenix_firebrd> !mesa
[19:18] <Aasif> phoenix_firebrd, doesnt seem to work..
[19:18] <Aasif> do you know how to reconfigure packages
[19:19] <Aasif> dpkg --reconfigure not working
[19:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: can you paste the output of sudo journalctl -n 100 using any paste service?
[19:20] <Aasif> heh
[19:20] <Aasif> i purged the package
[19:20] <Aasif> now its working
[19:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: strange
[19:20] <Aasif> lol
[19:20] <Aasif> what does journalctl  do?
[19:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: show you system logs
[19:21] <Aasif> ooh
[19:21] <Aasif> is there no way i can use that package now?
[19:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: wont you need the libgl1-mesa-dev for development?
[19:21] <Aasif> yea.. thats the point.. should i try to reinstall it?
[19:22] <Aasif> or maybe change prefix and compile again.. wierd tho
[19:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: since now you know how to go back to normal if something happens, you should install the package restart the system and see if it boots normally. If it does not boot properly, you should open a tty, run the command "sudo journalctl -n 100" too see for any relevant error messages
[19:24] <phoenix_firebrd> try to see if you can get a hint of whats wrong from the log
[19:24] <Aasif> im not good with dealing those errors.. ill just paste it here
[19:24] <Aasif> or maybe ill try
[19:24] <Aasif> phoenix_firebrd, can you suggest a good c++ ide?
[19:24] <Aasif> someone else here said. kdevelop but i find codelite more easier
[19:25] <Aasif> something that just works and good enough for production
[19:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: have you tried, kdevelop? if that not you want then try Qt creator and eclipse. I love qt creator and next to that is kdevelop
[19:28] <Aasif> isnt qt creator focused on qt
[19:29] <Aasif> i have this student license copy of clion but its just too slow.. always busy working its own stuff out
[19:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: then try kdevelop or eclipse
[19:30] <Aasif> can i pick it up easily?
[19:30] <Aasif> i dont know cmake tho
[19:31] <Aasif> eclipse was nice.. but clion is better than that.. ill try to learn kdevelop then
[19:32] <Aasif> one thing.. why do u prefer qt creator over kdevelop
[20:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: I develop application using QT framework and Qt creator is the best one for that
[20:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: for developing kde applications kdevelop is the best
[20:03] <Aasif> for something out of kde like games?
[20:03] <Aasif> i cant even figure out how to change the color scheme for kdevelop
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Aasif: Other than the ones I told you, I have only used visual studio. But many of the people like eclipse.
[20:05] <Aasif> i have VS but i like to develop on linux.. as far as eclipse goes clion is bettter but they both run on jvm..
[20:06] <Aasif> ill just stick to kdevelop then
[20:06] <Aasif> if i cant keep up then fall back to codelite
[20:06] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[20:25] <dimitris_> hello guys
[20:25] <dimitris_> I'm on kubuntu 18.04 and lately I'm not able to shutdown my pc
[20:25] <dimitris_> It always reboots
[20:26] <dimitris_> I know this a reported bug(kernel issue actually) but what can I do to power it off?
[20:26] <dimitris_> I can't keep it on all day long
[20:28] <valorie> how are you shutting it down, dimitris_?
[20:29] <valorie> you can set it so that the power button doesn't shut it down (for some reason) -- perhaps that is set by mistake?
[20:30] <valorie> easy way to check: alt+space will bring up krunner, then type power and choose power management
[20:34] <dimitris_> I have tried both from the application launcher and the terminal
[20:36] <dimitris_> I think the only solution is to suspend
[20:41] <valorie> dimitris_: did you read what I wrote above?
[20:42] <valorie> it might be a setting which you can change
[20:45] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: that setting affects this command too? "sudo shutdown -h now" ?
[20:46] <valorie> hmmm, I wouldn't think so, but I don't know for sure
[20:46] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: is that kernel bug related to acpi?
[21:37] <dimitris_> phoenix_firebrd: I don't know
[21:38] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: you could always use a kernel version that does not have this bug
[21:40] <dimitris_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1760110
[21:41] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: so why not use 4.15?
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: until the bug gets fixed
[21:42] <dimitris_> phoenix_firebrd: but the 4.15 is the one with the problem
[21:42] <dimitris_> and I read somewhere else that 4.16 is affected too
[21:43] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: but comment #7 says otherwise
[21:43] <dimitris_> Ubuntu kernel 4.15.0-12 HAS this problem
[21:44] <dimitris_> I'm on a different minor version but I have it too
[21:44] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: whats your kernel version?
[21:46] <dimitris_> 4.15.0-22
[21:46] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: can you try 4.15.0-10.11
[21:47] <phoenix_firebrd> dimitris_: or any minor build previous of 4.15.0-10.11
[21:54] <Roey> hello!  My dmesg output is full of messages of the form "[2396418.770521] hpet1: lost 478 rtc interrupts"  How do I fix this??


[01:44] <VanUnamed> mmikowski: the new plasma on kubuntu 22 cant be 5.27.
[01:44] <VanUnamed> the old version i am using on mint, is 5.5.5
[01:45] <mmikowski> On 22.04, you can get 5.27 with the right repos enabled.
[01:45] <VanUnamed> how can i tell which one i am running then/
[01:46] <mmikowski> If you are very dissatisfied, then you must be running 5.24. :)
[01:46] <mmikowski> However, to be more clear, go to System Settings > About this system.
[01:48] <mmikowski> VanUnamed: Right at the top, KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.10 shows on my system.
[01:49] <VanUnamed> its mint here
[01:50] <VanUnamed> 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1
[01:51] <arraybolt3> mmm, Linux Mint isn't supported here as they make a lot of changes to their OS that are not present in Kubuntu.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> (or any Ubuntu flavor)
[01:51] <VanUnamed> so am i running 4.5 or 5.5?
[01:51] <arraybolt3> we don't generally run or develop Mint so we don't know what to expect or what problems it may have, and enabling Ubuntu repos on Mint *could* (not for sure will, but could) have issues.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> You might ask about this on Linux Mint's forums?
[01:51] <VanUnamed> based on the name of the package i posted
[01:52] <VanUnamed> why the 4:
[01:52] <mmikowski> Not sure. That's what it says in KDE Plasma Version: ....?
[01:52] <VanUnamed> cus i thought new kubuntu had 6 and i just had 5.5
 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1
[01:54] <VanUnamed> found
[01:54] <mmikowski> What is the whole line under Software?
[01:54] <VanUnamed> KDE PLASMA VERSION 5.8.9
[01:55] <VanUnamed> see. How can be kubuntu 22 , much new distro than my mint 18 run 5.27?
[01:55] <mmikowski> So what do you want to do with it?
[01:55] <VanUnamed> nothing, i just wanted to compare. this is the old one i run, and i tried the new one today.
[01:55] <VanUnamed> it's on another new hdd. itll take time to configure everything
[01:56] <mmikowski> If you want to run 5.27, the simplest approach is to use the kfocus iso, but that requires a newsletter sign up. It has everything configured on install, including nvidia libs.
[01:56] <mmikowski> https://kfocus.org/try. Yes, it requires an email address.
[01:56] <mmikowski> If you want to do it yourself, you will need to do as I posted above:
[01:57] <mmikowski> add kubuntu-backports, and kubuntu-backports-extra, and upgrade. that will get you most of the way.
 Did backporta added plasma6 on k*buntu 22
 Did backporta added plasma6 on k*buntu 22??
[08:18] <mparillo> No
[10:55] <dreamhawk> I use a dual monitor setup, and i decided to tilt my secondary monitor vertically. And now in the System Settings > Display settings, i only see my tilted monitor. So i cannot adjust it you know, setting the position to be left or right etc... I only see the vertical monitor, not my horizontal :/
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:18] <ApoloXIII> BluesKaj:  Hi
[12:19] <ApoloXIII> sudo rm -rf /*
[20:43] <xrandr> Hello, I am using an external authentication provider called Kanidm which has a unixd binary for it to work with pam/nss.  Every time I log out or reboot, KDE only shows the local account I created on install. It does not show the account from the other auth server. Is there a way to make that show up? I think it would be the same as if I was using AD to authenticate


 @John (Marlin) [Oh. Teleports won't post as image!], png files are indeed uploaded as files
[02:26] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> Embedded Linux Conference (ELC) Europe 2019 Schedule - October 28-30 … https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/08/15/embedded-linux-conference-elc-europe-2019-schedule-october-28-30/
 sounds like something for @ubports_OF
 Is there a blog post for what’s in OTA 10?
 Nice chart here for those considering a Meizu Pro 5 in the USA regarding what providers are compatible.  My current one (T-mobile) gives reliable 3G/HSPA but can not provide 4G to the Pro 5.  Apparently Boost can provide 4G (but no 3G), considering maybe switching.  https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/meizu-mx5-pro
 [Edit] Nice chart here for those considering a Meizu Pro 5 in the USA regarding what providers are compatible.  My current one (T-mobile) gives reliable 3G/HSPA but can not provide 4G to the Pro 5.  Apparently Boost or Sprint can provide 4G (but no 3G), considering maybe switching.  https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/meizu
[04:42] <ubptgbot> -mx5-pro
 (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/pHXmkuiG.webp
 @dohbee [OSK is not changed on edge afaik, so why wouldn't it work?], yeah edge has some changes to OSK so a separate branch has to be created there for it to work
[05:54] <ubptgbot> DhanapalanRaja was added by: DhanapalanRaja
 @TotalSonic [Nice chart here for those considering a Meizu Pro 5 in the USA regarding what pr …], If you wanna run UT, I wouldnt switch till CDMA networks work correctly again
 Also looking at that chart, the pro 5 isnt compatible with sprints cdma so you wouldnt even get the 2g which youll need if you want LTE, maybe just adding the APN for it will suffice?
 @Tygerpro [If you wanna run UT, I wouldnt switch till CDMA networks work correctly again], good point - I thought Boost might offer GSM - but seems it is likely all CDMA
 should have looked that up first!
 I have Sprint atm, its one of the big road blocks for me switching to UT as a DD, the other being the needs from apps that will work with android cause my wife wont switch unless it comes on the phone she gets
 yeah  - T-Mobile has been reliable for me - so seems you are correct and I shouldn't mess with it unless there is a GSM option with Band 41 out there that I don't know about.  I actually dropped my Meizu Pro 5 and the screen didn't crack but the display went off.  I might try and open it up to repair it - but in the meantime I found a
[06:39] <ubptgbot> reasonably priced 4GB RAM/ 64GB storage model that represents an upgrade - so bought that and awaiting it.  But it made me go back to my OnePlus One - which Netspeed test on 4G are measuring around 2.5mbps - where as the Meizu Pro 5 on 3G/HSPA is maxing out around 1.4mbps
 Well I view devices like cars, everyone likes what they like, and trying to force someone to choose something they dont like will never work lol
 I personally like the N5, it just couldnt handle the tasks I needed out of it for various reasons.  I think it would be nice with a better screen as well, but thats something Inwas willing to settle on.  The note 4 port Im working on should make for a decent device, its still pretty usable today, just not as fast cause its only a quad co
[06:44] <ubptgbot> re rather than an octa core
 this was an informative article - QUOTING  "In terms of their relevance to 3G and 4G LTE bands and frequencies, the thing to know is that CDMA and GSM only use 3G technology. So the CDMA vs. GSM discussion is really a 3G discussion. However, as alluded to earlier, it's important to ensure that your phone has ample 3G frequency compatib
[06:50] <ubptgbot> ility, since this is the network your phone will jump on in the absence of a 4G signal. Otherwise, you'll simply have no reception when you can't reach a 4G network. "  …  https://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/cell-phone-networks-and-frequencies-explained
 @TotalSonic [yeah  - T-Mobile has been reliable for me - so seems you are correct and I shoul …], Hi Steve. From these Chinese ebay vendors ?
 @malditobastardo [Hi Steve. From these Chinese ebay vendors ?], the Meizu Pro 5 I have (that recently broke) is a 3gb/32gb official Ubuntu Edition.  I have a 4gb/64gb version coming from Japan that already has 16.04 UT installed on it.  I don't know whether it is is Chinese or International edition originally - figure I will flip it to
[06:58] <ubptgbot>  someone else if it doesn't work well - but was willing to take a risk on it.
 OK great. Good luck!
 should have it in a couple weeks -  I wil post back here regarding its performance once I have it.
 Perfect. Looking forward to it
 Same here, although to be fair, Im looking forward to getting my verizon note 4 working fully too
 @Tygerpro [Same here, although to be fair, Im looking forward to getting my verizon note 4 …], My wife used a Note 4 for a long while and loved it.  If you can get a port of that going would be a nice addition to the UT community device list.
 Which version did she have?
 I have a sprint and a verizon version
 @Tygerpro [Which version did she have?], hers was on Sprint
 we might still have it here - not sure how well it stil works.
 Nice, the sprint one was easier to get started with cause it didnt have to be unlocked (at least mine didnt) the verizon one I had to downgrade 2 or 3 times till I found the right firmware to unlock it
 My sprint one when I last tried it (my grandmother is currently using it as her DD cause she needed a phone) had alot working, I still need to get audio working on that port, as well as BT, but once I get it all workin on the verizon one, it -should- be a simple copy and paste for the sprint one
 Ok, I gotta start getting ready to catch a flight, off to OH for work today
[09:02] <ubptgbot> h4739 was added by: h4739
[09:03] <ubptgbot> Bachou was added by: Bachou
 What is the best Bitcoin wallet for ubports?
 @ulrichard [What is the best Bitcoin wallet for ubports?], We are not crypto fans so I dont think there is one ;)
 I tried it once, I used a web based wallet
 Does UBP forum etiquette permit users to paste a *large* log file directly into a message to ask for support?
 @fred francois [Hello can I install Ubuntu touch on OnePlus 3], There is a "work in progress" port for OP3 … It's not yet usable as a daily driver … But if you want to try it you can go here … https://github.com/Vince1171/OnePlus3-T-Halium-Prebuild
 ^^ Or should it still be a Pastebin?
[11:00] <ubptgbot> Wissotsky was added by: Wissotsky
 @TotalSonic [Nice chart here for those considering a Meizu Pro 5 in the USA regarding what pr …], i think sprint is prepaid with only 'authorized' bring your own phone
 @TotalSonic [the Meizu Pro 5 I have (that recently broke) is a 3gb/32gb official Ubuntu Editi …], what broke on the ubuntu edition
 Seperately from my above questions (please do answer them, they pertain to a much larger log than the one I'm about to share). This is me trying to upgrade Libreoffice on the Pro 5 Libertine container via the LO ppa. What's the main issue here? How do I configure `libreoffice-common/core`?
 https://pastebin.com/j8wZ9N1j
[11:13] <ubptgbot> DanielCitrin was added by: DanielCitrin
 It seems a bit cyclical if you look at the error regarding processing `libreoffice-common`.
 Or should I say, the logical seems circular.
 [Edit] Or should I say, the logic seems circular.
[11:46] <ubptgbot> Nocoz was added by: Nocoz
[11:47] <ubptgbot> FOX_Snake_XOF was added by: FOX_Snake_XOF
 Hi, wondering for a while if it is possible to use ubuntu... on the ubp site there are Moto phones  in progress.. for months now. I'm familiar with linux, not with programming. … I dont mind not heaving all the features but would like to support ubp if possible. Fi by giving feedback of issues or trying new things … So my question: Is it a
[11:58] <ubptgbot> long way to start getting ubuntu on a lenovo k6?
 @mateosalta [what broke on the ubuntu edition], it was dropped and the display went black with occasional flicker - possibly a dislodged ribbon cable
 @Nocoz [Hi, wondering for a while if it is possible to use ubuntu... on the ubp site the …], Hi, it would need to be ported. Please see at http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html it that device has the minimum requirements for it
 @Nocoz [Hi, wondering for a while if it is possible to use ubuntu... on the ubp site the …], [Edit] Hi, it would need to be ported. Please see at http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html whether that device has the minimum requirements for it
[12:38] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> Is there a basic instruction manual on how UBports works. Have been trying to find how to take a screenshot on an FP2 for the last half hour.
 @Javacookies [I've also tried a few RS reader apps in the store nad SimpleRSS is the one that …], List me your improvements wish and it may come true :)
 @Dave S [Is there a basic instruction manual on how UBports works. Have been trying to fi …], Press Vol-Up and Down at the same time ^^
 @Kazord [List me your improvements wish and it may come true :)], no specific things on my mind, just maybe the look and feel of the app, it's obviously in the early stages of the development. Good luck 😁
 @John (Marlin) [Now RSS Reader has given me an error message for the first time on entering Unix …], I try to do my best to handle every kind of rss but I don't have too much user / feedback, if something not working just tell it (or onpen issue on github) I look into it as soon I have some spare time
[12:53] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> @Flohack [Press Vol-Up and Down at the same time ^^], Thanks - but isn't there a basic how it works anywhere?
 @Dave S [Thanks - but isn't there a basic how it works anywhere?], Not sure. Canonical´s documentation was still at developer stage. The phone was not ready for end users I would say ;)
 😱 just did a test on N5/edge via Ubports installer, installation was fine but get stucked with a non responding dash , did not had time to look at logs. Someone else faced that issue ? backed to devel since :)
 humm sorry it is called launcher not the dash, can it be because on devel i have disabled the launcher ?
 What is the next release date of UT-10?
 @Mikeee_128 [What is the next release date of UT-10?], Wednesday August 21
 @TotalSonic [Wednesday August 21], Thnx
 @advocatux [Hi, it would need to be ported. Please see at http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/ …], Thank you for the quick responds... The link you provided is my starting point … And wow.... Impressed by all this … The minimum requirements are oke: 2gb ram, 16 gb storage and kernel 3.18.31 … Next is to set up my build device … No problem … A
[13:24] <ubptgbot> lso to get the halium source.. will not be much of a pain … But the part adding device-specific sources is a serious part. I have no idea what to do here or what i should add! It links to get something. Do i need to search for the repositories in the lineageOS's giyhub page?
 @Nocoz [Thank you for the quick responds... The link you provided is my starting point …], If your device is supported by LineageOS then yes, pull the device-specific sources from there.
 Also feel free to join our Telegram Porting group in case you have more questions or run into issues: https://t.me/ubports_porting
 @Nocoz [Thank you for the quick responds... The link you provided is my starting point …], If you go to the github page for your devices LOS port, there should be a lineage.dependencies file, the stuff in that file is what youll need, along with any common repos for similar devices (i.e. trltespr has a trlte-common repo that also has to
[13:47] <ubptgbot> be added)
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Kazord [I try to do my best to handle every kind of rss but I don't have too much user / …], Thanks for your interest in supporting your app. It seems that https://www.unixmen.com/feed/ has an RSS file that is not accepted by SimplestRSS and RSS Reader both. It does work in Feedly. Also, I wanted to ask you if I understand the desc
[13:53] <ubptgbot> ription in Open Store correctly. Does SimplestRSS require the rssreaderscope to be installed as well? Thanks.
[13:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Dave S [Thanks - but isn't there a basic how it works anywhere?], I would think that the Ubuntu Edition phones sold at retail would have had a printed user manual included in the box. You might check their websites to see if there's a downloadable pdf user manual.
[13:57] <ubptgbot> AIIoT C was added by: AIIoT C
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <AIIoT C> It is UT compatible with snapcraft that Canonical developed for phones with Ubuntu operating system
 Welcome back!
 No, not currently. Apps are packaged using the Click packaging format.
 @John (Marlin) [Thanks for your interest in supporting your app. It seems that https://www.unixm …], Both use the same backend code, simplestRSS is my latest to be prepare for the end of scope … (rssreaderscope won't get update anymore as scope will fall soon or later or at their rise again)
[14:03] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Kazord [Both use the same backend code, simplestRSS is my latest to be prepare for the e …], Okay. Thanks. I was worried that if I uninstalled rssreaderscope that SimplestRSS would stop working.
[14:20] <ubptgbot> webMonkeyfromUA was added by: webMonkeyfromUA
 Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 release candidates have been respun. Please update and continue testing as normal. The new release date for Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is Wednesday, August 21. … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/call-for-testing-ubuntu-touch-ota-10-238
 @fredldotme [Also feel free to join our Telegram Porting group in case you have more question …], I will try another time... First buy another phone... Then i can start playinh.. Thank you
 @TartanSpartan [Seperately from my above questions (please do answer them, they pertain to a muc …], Anyone, please?
 @John (Marlin) [Thanks for your interest in supporting your app. It seems that https://www.unixm …], OK it doesn't work cause the feed start with a newline xD
 @Kazord [OK it doesn't work cause the feed start with a newline xD], Good catch.  Should be easy enough to fix, right?
 Trying to fix it right now, patch expecting in the evening
 Excellent.
[16:11] <ubptgbot> Navchanakya was added by: Navchanakya
 Is Ubuntu touch os cab be installed on  Redmi note 6 pro phone?
 that is not a supported device
 you can see the supported device list https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Kazord [Trying to fix it right now, patch expecting in the evening], Nice
 @John (Marlin) [Nice], XML parser really doesn't like that, have do fix the http part..
[17:09] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Okay
 In store soon
 @Kazord [In store soon], Great, I'm downloading it now.
 @Kazord [In store soon], Great job, I can confirm that it's working with the link that wasn't yesterday.
 @John (Marlin) [Okay], So working now but that unixmen RSS feed has very old articles on it.  Maybe some of the other feeds are better?
[17:42] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @imraniqbal [So working now but that unixmen RSS feed has very old articles on it.  Maybe som …], My linux buddy gave me 6 to subscribe to. I'll have to spend some time to see how they compare.
 @John (Marlin) [My linux buddy gave me 6 to subscribe to. I'll have to spend some time to see ho …], Will be good to hear if it works out with all of the links (or not).
 @John (Marlin) [My linux buddy gave me 6 to subscribe to. I'll have to spend some time to see ho …], You may also want to consider integrating with the Launcher Modular, that works out nicely, with an easy refresh to check for updates.
 @John (Marlin) [My linux buddy gave me 6 to subscribe to. I'll have to spend some time to see ho …], [Edit] You may also want to consider integrating it with the Launcher Modular, that works out nicely, with an easy refresh to check for updates.
[17:45] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @imraniqbal [You may also want to consider integrating it with the Launcher Modular, that wor …], Thanks. I found Launcher Modular, but haven't installed it yet.
 @John (Marlin) [Thanks. I found Launcher Modular, but haven't installed it yet.], Even though I've made it my main launcher, I wouldn't recommend that.  It can be used as a standalone app.  The you can add an RSS page to it, integrating the results from SimplestRSS.
 @John (Marlin) [Thanks. I found Launcher Modular, but haven't installed it yet.], [Edit] Even though I've made it my main launcher, I wouldn't recommend that.  It can be used as a standalone app.  Then you can add an RSS page to it, integrating the results from SimplestRSS.
 @imraniqbal [You may also want to consider integrating it with the Launcher Modular, that wor …], Oh I forgot to add a pull to refresh iny app?
 @Kazord [Oh I forgot to add a pull to refresh iny app?], I'm getting that functionality from Launcher Modular.  May be a good idea to add to SimplestRSS, if it isn't already available.
 Or does it refresh automatically?
 Nope xD
 I use it through the launcher so I haven't view missing feature like that
 Guys, I wanna to help … What I can do, and must know? … I have some knowledge ofJavascript, but I think this unhelpful
 @webMonkeyfromUA [Guys, I wanna to help … What I can do, and must know? … I have some knowledge ofJav …], That's where you'd be wrong! Between the various UBports websites (if you like webdev) or the UBports Installer (It's Electron!), some apps are written entirely using JavaScript for behavior. You can learn more about our pre
[18:40] <ubptgbot> installed apps here: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/preinstalled-apps.html
 If you've got a device, maybe you'd like to take a look at the installer? It's got plenty of issues filed on it, just pick one and see what's going on. It's pretty easy to run straight from the command line. And if you have any questions, we're here to help. … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 @UniversalSuperBox Nice, I will start work at Monday … Thanks for information :)
 No problem. Do you have a supported device, one from https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io?
 (That's also an Express.js site, if you like Express)
[19:19] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> Hey guys, is this the right place to ask about bluetooth?
[19:19] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> I am struggling to get it to work properly in the van.
[19:20] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> We think it only wants to be a receiver rather than an emitter.
[19:20] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> (if that makes sense?)
 Bluetooth calling functionality doesn't currently work
[19:20] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> ah, that explains that.
[19:21] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> I was trying to put music from my phone through the van radio
 Music should work, but it's wonky.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1045
[19:22] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> Well, I was trying a podcast through podbird. It kind of took, then wouldn't take
[19:22] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> Then when we hooked it up with another phone, we couldn't make it to be the sender.
[19:22] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> OK, thanks for that.
[19:22] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> At least I know it isn't me :)
 I have lost my main Wi-Fi from my router. I got forget network once and now the phone won't pick it up. It just picks up a homecoming I have. Is there any terminal command I can use to fix this?
 @Graham Clark [We think it only wants to be a receiver rather than an emitter.], i've been using UT as an audio sink for close to a year now, so i suppose it kinda makes sense to think it may be related
 @lsjmhar [I have lost my main Wi-Fi from my router. I got forget network once and now the …], have you tried rebooting
[19:26] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> @Fuseteam [i've been using UT as an audio sink for close to a year now, so i suppose it kin …], Shame, I was going to listen to the UT podcasts in the van.
 @Fuseteam [have you tried rebooting], Yep. Tried full reinstall from the imports installed using a full wipe but no difference. Was going to uninstall altogether and try android to see if it is working there but hope to get a solution here first.
 @Graham Clark [Shame, I was going to listen to the UT podcasts in the van.], bluetooth is very difficult thing to do, there was talk about a newer backend in the qa group but i haven't heard much about it yrt
 @lsjmhar [Yep. Tried full reinstall from the imports installed using a full wipe but no di …], a full reinstall via the installer and still? that sounds more like its a problem with the router rather than ut.......
 Everything else is picking up router fine - linux laptop, Windows laptop, xbox, Amazon fire tab, wife's iphone, daughters Huawei android. Just my phone has lost it!
 that just makes it weirder......
 if you already tried reflashing then i really don't think its software but it detects other networks so i also don't think its hardware
 I know. Strange.
 [Edit] if you already tried reflashing then i really don't think its software but it detects other networks so i also don't think its hardware........
 audio via bluetooth is working in general in my experience.There are times that it doesn't work like my JBL go but it's a quite reliable
 i have failed to find an bluetooth speaker recently so i suppose it depends on the hardware
 which channel btw?
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> What was odd, was that when I first paired them, it worked, I was dead pleased. Then switched van off and couldn't make it happen again.
[19:43] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> I think it decided it was a taker not a giver after all.
 @lsjmhar [I know. Strange.], One thing you can try: `Connect to hidden network...`, putting in your details as usual.  That sometimes helps to re-establish a connection.
 @Graham Clark [What was odd, was that when I first paired them, it worked, I was dead pleased. …], ohw it worked once, have you tried repairing?
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> @Fuseteam [ohw it worked once, have you tried repairing?], yes, tried all sorts, repairing, restting radio back to factory, rebooting phone....
 hmmm
 maybe you can check dmesg when you try to connect
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> @Fuseteam [hmmm], then when we tried it with another phone, could onlyu make it receive music
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> what is dmesg?
 yes with another phone it can only receive audio as android cannot receive audio
 @Graham Clark [what is dmesg?], if you enter your terminal
 and enter dmesg after a connection
 you could find out what's happening
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> When the radio couldn't find the phone, the phone showed as connected.
 [Edit] and enter dmesg after a attempted connection
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> I shall try dmesg tomorrow
 hmm
[19:50] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> should i try anything in particular?
[19:50] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> as in want me to report anything back?
[19:53] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> OK, just put that in, don't understand the output. What am i looking for?
[19:56] <ubptgbot> <Graham Clark> lol, just managed to scroll.  Please update and conti …], I applied this update to Nexus 5. It ran okay for awhile, but now has serious lag and poor connectivity. I'll have to look into it more tomorrow.
 @John (Marlin) [I applied this update to Nexus 5. It ran okay for awhile, but now has serious la …], Could be the rare thing where wireless communications lock the device. Try rebooting it.
[20:13] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @UniversalSuperBox [Could be the rare thing where wireless communications lock the device. Try reboo …], Yes. I already tried rebooting and also checked good connectivity on my dd.
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> This is WiFi. The Nexus 5 has no SIM
 @Graham Clark [lol, just managed to scroll. That is a bunch of info.], something about bluetooth you can report back to issue 1045 that dalton linked
[21:11] <ubptgbot> Kévin Roggy was added by: Kévin Roggy
[21:58] <ubptgbot> DmitryMospanenko was added by: DmitryMospanenko
[23:38] <ubptgbot> roberto lupone was added by: roberto lupone
[23:38] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> helloooo
[23:38] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> there is anyone??
 there is some people here, yes
[23:39] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> i want talk about one problem
[23:40] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> the nokia 5..
[23:40] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> model:ta-1053
[23:41] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> ???
[23:41] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> ubuntu touch is compatible??
 Nop
[23:42] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> no??
[23:42] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> did you know distro linux that guarantee many years of support
[23:42] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> on any android phone?!
[23:43] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> now i have android pie 9
 sadly devices are no magically compatible because of drivers and things like that
 to install UT on a new device you have to port it. There is a project wich wants to install UT (and other OSs) in some phones. It is halium project.
[23:44] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> halium project👍
 you can take a look here … https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/
[23:45] <ubptgbot> <roberto lupone> thanks!
 and here … https://halium.org/
 Hi, i'm new here, and I see you had an issue open for star2lte port but failed since the official halium is android 7. … I get a s9 (starlte) so i try with it and get some issues. … Herrie82 on github made a 8.1 and 9.0 version so i have test with 8.1 branch. … I follow your official doc on https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/ and i'
[23:58] <ubptgbot> m stuck on "mka hybris-boot" … I get : … STATIC_LIBRARIES/libfdt_intermediates/export_includes needed by EXECUTABLES/dtbhtoolExynos_intermediates/import_includes', missing and no known rule to make it … i'm not at all an expert, and i really do not have any idea. Did someone already see this kind of error?


[01:04] <nhaines> mhall119: thanks for the heads-up.  I'll be writing them an invite letter tonight.


[00:07]  * Panarchy says Hi
[00:07] <Panarchy> I seem to still be banned from the #ubuntu channel
[00:07] <Panarchy> Can someone please unban me?
[00:07] <Panarchy> Thanks in advance
[00:07] <genii> @login
[00:08] <genii> @btlogin
[00:27] <Myrtti> Tm_T: going to bed, but only poking about https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/gwibber.dev/+pots/gwibber/fi/+translate?show=new_suggestions
[01:53]  * genii hands Jack_Sparrow a coffee
[01:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Oh no.. decaf only
[01:55] <nickrud>  wuss
[01:57] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> Someone throw On0bi_ on your highlight list for #ubuntu for the next few minutes - I --> shower.
[02:49] <Pici> sudo read the link ubottu gave you
[02:50]  * Pici has had a headache all afternoon, may be a bit grouchy
[03:29] <Pici> Its been a while since one of those
[03:36] <nalioth> not long enough
[03:36] <nalioth> anybody know anythint about plucker?
[03:40] <Pici> Nothing more than the link I already gave you. And not even that it seems.
[03:53] <tritium> Thanks, Pici
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> awww
[04:49] <Flannel> Sheesh
[04:49] <Flannel> I step away from the keyboard for two minutes...
[05:07] <tritium> Good night, Flannel.
[05:07] <Flannel> night tritium
[07:15] <jussi01> !away > aceat64
[08:41] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[08:47]  * Tm_T is fly flying in Myrttis open mouth
[08:47] <Tm_T> bite me!
[08:47] <Myrtti> örbö
[09:25]  * Panarchy says Hi
[09:25] <Panarchy> I seem to still be banned from #ubuntu
[09:25] <Panarchy> Can someone here please unban me?
[09:26] <elky> why were you banned?
[09:27] <Panarchy> I'm not sure
[09:27] <Panarchy> It was about 2 months ago
[09:27] <elky> i think you do know
[09:27] <Panarchy> Nope, I don't
[09:28] <Panarchy> You see I've been very busy lately, with various things (I can list them if you like)
[09:28] <ikonia> it wasn't 2 months ago
[09:28] <ikonia> it was about 3 weeks ago
[09:28] <ikonia> and you know exactly why you where banned
[09:28] <elky> in fact, it seems you've twice threatened people and the Freenode network.
[09:29] <Panarchy> Hmm... give me a moment to think
[09:29]  * Myrtti takes in bets
[09:30] <ikonia> Panarchy: when you are able to talk about things - realisticly because you know exactly why you where banned after we had a 20 minute conversation about it
[09:30] <ikonia> if you're not even big enough to say "I was banned because XYZ sorry" and insist on playing dumb - I don't feel it worth continuing with you
[09:30] <Panarchy> Ah! Yes, I remember now! I said something like this to ikonia, after I had been banned "I could hack into Freenode [probably] if I wanted to, but I won't. Because I'm not that kind of person. Just because you have the power doesn't mean you have to use it"
[09:30] <elky> ikonia, this is the guy who threatened to 'go above [our] heads', yes?
[09:30] <ikonia> yes
[09:30] <ikonia> "I could take down ubuntu - but I won't"
[09:30] <ikonia> "I can ban dodge but I won't"
[09:31] <ikonia> etc etc
[09:31] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:31] <ikonia> Panarchy: based on the questions you ask in the channels you are unable to admin your own box - so I take your threats as pethetic on a personal note
[09:31] <ikonia> Panarchy: but that said you still feel the need to make your little threats - and to not just to me you have a history
[09:32] <ikonia> so I suggest until you can actually contibute like a regular person, or at least stop playing innocent as to why you where banned - lets move on and you can go about your day
[09:32] <ikonia> I'm sorry if that seems harsh - but your attitude is consistant and your showing the same stance as before so I see no point in discussing it
[09:32] <elky> since we do not condone threats against us or our host, and you've already used up your 'second chance' without having changed a single thing about your behaviour, i do not see any point in letting you back in.
[09:33] <elky> if you really need help, there's ubuntuforums.org
[09:33] <Panarchy> It wasn't an actual threat. As I've previously quoted, I was making an analogy about power
[09:33] <ikonia> no you where not
[09:33] <ikonia> "I have looked at the flags of the channels and could probably take it down"
[09:34] <ikonia> thats not an analogy - thats you telling me you "think" you know how to take down the channel and have done research
[09:34] <Panarchy> +elky: Thanks for the forum link. However the forum 'people' don't seem to be as helpful as the IRC 'folks'
[09:34] <ikonia> lets just mve along
[09:34] <Panarchy> ikonia, stop misquoting me
[09:34] <elky> Panarchy, in other words, you got banned there too?
[09:34] <ikonia> Panarchy: I've got the logs
[09:34] <Panarchy> "I haven't looked at the flags of the channels but I could probably take it down"
[09:34] <Panarchy> Would be more to the fact
[09:34] <Panarchy> However, you didn't tell everyone here the rest of the argument
[09:35] <ikonia> which was ?
[09:35] <ikonia> please share
[09:35] <Panarchy> And it seems that we have both forgotten why I was originally banned
[09:35] <elky> Panarchy, then #ubuntuforums is a compromise between 'irc folk' and 'forum people'. you've outlived your welcome here.
[09:35] <ikonia> no - I have remembered and logged for quite clearly
[09:35] <ikonia> as have 5 other operators
[09:35] <Panarchy> +ikonia: Sorry, but I've been using mibbit a lot lately, so I don't have logs.
[09:35] <ikonia> Panarchy: I do have the logs
[09:35] <Panarchy> +elky: Thanks for the link to that IRC channel
[09:36] <ikonia> Panarchy: I suggest you go about your day - this is not going to chance at this time
[09:36] <Panarchy> +ikonia: Well can you show +elky over here them?
[09:36] <ikonia> Panarchy: elky has access
[09:36] <elky> Panarchy, this channel is publicly logged.
[09:36] <Panarchy> Not that I'd trust your logs unless I am 100% sure that they haven't been modified
[09:36] <Panarchy> Ah
[09:36] <Panarchy> Well that's different then
[09:36] <Panarchy> But does that include the private chat?
[09:36] <ikonia> Panarchy: no
[09:36] <Myrtti> please do not randomly pm people
[09:37] <Panarchy> Soz
[09:37] <Panarchy> Does anyone know what syntax highlighting to use for the menu.lst file? (I'm using Notepad2)
[09:37] <elky> Panarchy, just to repeat: you've overstayed your welcome. come back another time when you can actually display the responsibility required to admit to your wrongdoings, and demonstrate an immediate history of proper civilised behaviour
[09:38] <Panarchy> How long before you will 'allow' me to come back?
[09:38] <Myrtti> argggghhh lag
[09:38] <Flannel> Panarchy: It's all up to you.
[09:39] <elky> Panarchy, when you have an immediate history of proper civilised behaviour that is long enough to be a true indication that you've changed.
[09:39] <Panarchy> +Myrtti: LOL
[09:39] <Myrtti> I find it annoying, not funny.
[09:39] <Panarchy> Flannel & Elky: Can you please give me an exact calender date?
[09:39] <elky> no
[09:40] <elky> i cannot control your behaviour, and i am not psychic. hence, i cannot put a date on when you will achieve this
[09:40] <Panarchy> What if I were able to achieve what you are talking about, in, oh, let's say, an hour?
[09:42] <elky> that is not a sufficient time period to convince us. at least a fortnight of demonstratable good behaviour, and probably a reference from an ubuntu member. there are several of those in #ubuntuforums
[09:42] <Panarchy> Which type of Ubuntu member?
[09:42] <elky> the ones with the cloak
[09:42] <Panarchy> Are you talking like a moderator or admin level? Or just any member with over 100 posts?
[09:42] <Panarchy> lol
[09:42] <Myrtti> erh
[09:43] <Panarchy> And shield?
[09:43] <Myrtti> ubuntu member != ubuntu forums user
[09:43] <Panarchy> Ah
[09:43] <Panarchy> I getcha now
[09:43] <Myrtti> [11:43] [freenode] ~~~Myrtti [i=myrtti@ubuntu/member/myrtti]
[09:43] <Panarchy> ?
[09:44] <Panarchy> Miia Ranta
[09:44] <Myrtti> /who #ubuntuforums
[09:44] <Myrtti> see who has @ubuntu/member/ in their hostname
[09:44] <Panarchy> I understand
[09:44] <Myrtti> there you go then
[09:45]  * Panarchy goes back to working on his linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] | & setting up his partitions to install 9 operating systems on one 1TB hard-drive [- http://i43.tinypic.com/72g9z6.jpg -]
[09:46]  * Flannel boggles at spam in -ops
[09:46]  * Myrtti boggles at what Panarchy is going to do with the information of my name
[09:46] <elky> what spam?
[09:48] <Flannel> Myrtti: he's going.... to... google you!
[09:48] <Myrtti> Flannel: most likely
[09:48] <Myrtti> I wonder if I have another stalker in my hands now
[09:49] <Flannel> Doubt it.
[09:52] <elky> this, for the record, is not a demonstration of good behaviour.
[09:53] <Flannel> elky: What?
[09:53] <Flannel> hi AE, how can we help you?
[09:53] <elky> Flannel, whois them
[09:53] <Flannel> elky: ah.  Indeed.  BT has a few goodies, and then I've got some nice stuff in queries as well from last time too.
[09:53] <AE> Yea could you get the ban on my ip off of the ubuntu channel for me?
[09:54] <AE> seeing as you put it on
[09:54] <Flannel> AE: Why do you think I ought to remove the ban?
[09:54] <AE> Because I need help
[09:54] <elky> ubuntuforums.org. enjoy
[09:55] <AE> Flannel: What reasons do you have to keep me banned
[09:55] <AE> ?
[09:55] <Flannel> AE: #ubuntu is a privledge, you previously had that privledge revoked, and haven't demonstrated any reason why you should be let back in.
[09:55] <AE> how would I accomplish this?
[09:56] <elky> changing your 'real name' for a start
[09:56] <AE> me?
[09:56] <elky> yes
[09:57] <AE> not my name but I am glad you though so
[09:57] <AE> not that ignorant
[09:57] <elky> I'm pretty sure your parents did not name you Flannel_is_gay
[09:57] <AE> Flannel: well
[09:57] <AE> ouch sorry was drunk
[09:57] <AE> hehe
[09:57] <Flannel> elky: I don't think birth certificates allow for underscores, actually.  But, what do I know.
[09:57] <AE> hold up
[09:57] <elky> not funny.
[09:58] <elky> you need to reconnect to the network before it will change
[10:03] <Flannel> Well, that was a faux pas on his part.
[10:03] <Myrtti> revolving doors etc
[10:06] <Flannel> really though, if he reads/agrees/understands to the CoC/Guidelines, feel free to remove his ban.
[10:06] <Flannel> I'm heading off to bed.
[11:25] <Tm_T> awww
[11:25] <Tm_T> lovely kids
[11:25] <ikonia> ?
[11:25] <Tm_T> the ones visited us lately
[12:06] <ikonia> @btlogin
[12:19] <Myrtti> grtaah
[12:20] <ikonia> ?
[12:21] <ikonia> just updated the pan on panarchy - as soon as he left this channel he flooded 7 other random linux channels asking for help with windows notepad2 to edit menu.lst ?????
[12:21] <ikonia> best way to prove you know how to interact on the irc network ;)
[12:22] <ikonia> s/pan/ban
[12:25] <Myrtti> I'm packing my Desktop computer to be sent to Helsinki because I now have a company laptop
[12:26] <Myrtti> so I pulled the plug on a cord I thought was for the display
[12:26] <Myrtti> WRONG
[12:26] <Myrtti> it was for my home server
[12:26] <Myrtti> down went my music, my work svn work copies, my backups, my work bitlbee jabber irssi thingie
[12:26] <Myrtti> atleast I still hadn't packed the keyboard
[12:27] <Myrtti> could type the encryption password blindly in
[12:27] <Myrtti> on the scale of epic errors, this would be a nine on my scale.
[12:27] <Myrtti> I guess I have to buy a keyboard atleast.
[12:33]  * elky huggles Myrtti
[12:38] <jpds> You're having a better day than me.
[12:39]  * jpds managed to rm his passwd safe thanks to a stupid find command.
[12:42] <ikonia> Myrtti: what is in helsinki?
[12:43] <Myrtti> ikonia: our offices
[12:43] <ikonia> jpds: unlucky
[12:43] <ikonia> Myrtti: ahhh
[12:57] <Pici> Hello froods
[12:59] <ikonia> hello Pici
[14:43] <jpds> lalala
[15:52] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[15:52] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[16:12] <mneptok> UNGAWA!
[16:12] <ikonia> errrr "yes"
[16:13]  * mneptok throws ikonia into the volcano
[16:14] <mneptok> uh oh. not virgin. village doomed.
[16:14] <ikonia> ha ha
[16:15] <ikonia> everything cool ?
[16:15] <ikonia> @bansearch Skriptkiddie
[16:16] <mneptok> oh yes. Montreal is nothing if not frozen.
[16:16] <ikonia> mneptok: very cool then
[16:17] <Jack_Sparrow> 79 here today.. burrr
[16:20] <nickrud> not nice to gloat Jack_Sparrow
[16:21] <Jack_Sparrow> You are in the same climate zone..  What is your temp gonna be today
[16:24] <nickrud> dunno. Sunglasses and shorts, though
[16:25] <mneptok> -13C here
[16:25] <nickrud> does not compute
[16:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Cant relate
[16:25] <nickrud> off to work, see you all later.  But I'm just trolling I guess. At work and bored
[20:18] <nickrud_> it can be really easy for me to step over that line. Past history and all. Don't mind me
[20:31]  * mneptok *lives* on the other side of "that line"
[20:31] <Myrtti> ungh.
[20:31] <Myrtti> Mexican food ♥
[20:32]  * mneptok and woo are having more homemade chili tonight
[20:32] <mneptok> tritium: i make a pretty damned good chili for a Northeast Anglo :)
[21:30] <Jack_Sparrow> NOt for later.. review  .. : LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, which adds thin-client support to Linux servers. See chapter 3 of the !edubuntuhandbook, http://www.ltsp.org and/or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project
[21:30] <Jack_Sparrow> See if we want to work in   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[21:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Note
[21:31] <Tm_T> Jack_Sparrow: er?
[21:32] <Jack_Sparrow> erusaid the link was outdated and that the other link might be better in the factoid
[21:32] <Tm_T> ah
[21:32] <Jack_Sparrow> the link was outdated and that the other link might be better in the factoid
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> HAs the !clone link been fixed, the command it gives was throwing an eror for me
[22:01] <ikonia> nickrud_: when did panarchy come back ?
[22:01] <nickrud_> ikonia, not since your last discussion with him that I saw.
[22:02] <ikonia> ahhh
[22:02] <ikonia> nickrud_: thought I'd missed something
[22:02] <ikonia> nickrud_: and yes your opinion matters greatly, I don't wear an ubuntu members cloak even though I am
[22:02] <nickrud_> you should feel lucky, missing out on some of that :)
[22:02] <nickrud_> ikonia, I was simply trolling, ignore that bit :)
[22:02] <ikonia> ahh
[22:03] <ikonia> sorry been away thought I'd missed something as I only logged your highlight
[22:03] <ikonia> troll away
[22:03] <nickrud_> my ironic sense of humor doesn't come across well in irc, I've found to my chagrin
[22:03] <ikonia> to be honest, I thought you where just kidding/sarcastic but with only logging the highlight comment I didn't know if I'd missed anything
[22:04] <nickrud_> unlike mneptok who somehow lives on the wrong side of the line, but with a heaping dollop of self mockery
[22:08] <ikonia> he makes me life
[22:08] <ikonia> laugh
[22:08] <ikonia> (bad typing there)
[22:12] <nickrud_> I've actually spit up some coffee, reading a couple things he's written
[22:14] <ikonia> yes, there have been some good ones
[22:15] <ikonia> snowing like crazy now in the uk
[22:15] <Seeker`> ikonia: where?
[22:15] <ikonia> Bath
[22:15] <ikonia> gone from nothing to about an inch in 5 minutes
[22:15] <Seeker`> hmm
[22:15] <ikonia> it's now about 3 inches
[22:15] <Seeker`> wow
[22:15] <ikonia> blizard outside
[22:15] <ikonia> want a photo ?
[22:15] <Seeker`> I would have thought that I would have had some earlier today then
[22:15] <Seeker`> ok
[22:15] <Seeker`> had no snow all day
[22:15] <ikonia> let me see if the camera is there
[22:16]  * nickrud_ is heading out, but needs to find his sunglasses first
[22:16] <ikonia> none all day - now going nuts
[22:16] <Seeker`> although some is forecast for tonight
[22:16] <ikonia> nickrud_: not nice to gloat ;)
[22:16] <nickrud_> ikonia, who cares about nice when it's fun?
[22:16] <ikonia> true
[22:16] <ikonia> touche'
[22:17] <mneptok> nickrud_: could you be our sex therapist?
[22:17] <mneptok> i *lurve* that kinda philosophy
[22:17] <nickrud_> obviously you need no therapy; maybe a leash though
[22:21] <ikonia> Seeker`: uploading
[22:22] <mneptok> nickrud_: she told me the leash was *part* of my therapy!
[22:22] <Seeker`> ikonia: see my PM?
[22:22] <ikonia> nope
[22:22] <ikonia> hang on
[22:22] <mneptok> i feel so ... dirty.
[22:30] <ikonia> you are
[22:34] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[22:34] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[22:36] <Mez> Myrtti: am not really a fan of KFC
[22:36] <Myrtti> Mez: nvm dear.
[22:36] <Myrtti> gnite everyone
[22:36] <Mez> night
[22:38] <Pricey> Mez: 'that' email?
[22:38] <Mez> Pricey: ??
[22:40] <Pricey> nuthin
[22:41] <Seeker`> ikonia: still uploading?
[22:43] <ikonia> Hmmm only one of the photos turned out
[22:43] <ikonia> (well on my camera)
[22:48] <Seeker`> nice
[23:04] <tritium> mneptok: I don't know about that...
[23:06] <tritium> mneptok: P.S. -- Here where we *grow* chile, we spell it "chile".  Chili is a recipe of meat, beans and all kinds of things, and then a little *TINY* amount of actual chile.
[23:06] <tritium> ;)
[23:07] <mneptok> tritium: i mean chili. with chiles, and other peppers.
[23:08] <jrib> the space bar on my advisor's laptop randomly doesn't work.  It was fun to use...
[23:09] <mneptok> (mostly mild, as woo isn't a big spicy food person)
[23:09] <jrib> erm, thought this was -ot for some reason
[23:09] <mneptok> jrib: it's Clotjhing Optional Day in -ops. that may cause the confusion.
[23:10]  * jrib runs away, covering his eyes
[23:12] <tritium> mneptok: cool (about the chili, that is)
[23:12] <mneptok> tritium: chiles and jalapenos. nothing hotter.
[23:13] <tritium> mneptok: got to please the wife.  I understand.
[23:13] <mneptok> it's weird, i'm 100% northern European, and she's Portugese. and i like the hot stuff.
[23:14] <anima_> Hi, I need LjL, please.
[23:15] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL Ref #ubuntu 	freeRag 	LjL 	Nov 16 2008 14:16:24
[23:16] <anima_> I'd log into X and lift it myself, but, uhm...wrong network.  <laugh>
[23:17] <anima_> OK, so...no idling, but I'm waiting and I don't know any of you.
[23:18] <tritium> mneptok: catch you later
[23:18] <mneptok> tritium: i'm off for home, too.
[23:18] <tritium> ok
[23:19]  * mneptok detaches and commutes
[23:20] <Jack_Sparrow> anima_ May I have another minute
[23:20] <anima_> Sure.  I got nothing but time, honey.
[23:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I think I am going to go ahead on this and lift the ban..   Jack_Sparrow you just been given a new life :)
[23:23] <Mez> Myrtti: that smiley guy looks like a friend of mine (but for the blue eyes)
[23:24] <anima_> hahaha if you're referring to me, I am NOT a guy.
[23:26] <Mez> anima_: unless you're in Myrtti's flickrstream, then no
[23:26] <Jack_Sparrow> anima_ Sorry, the wife called..  go figure..
[23:27] <anima_> Well hopefully I'm not - I'm deathly allergic to cameras.  Along with angry wives and incoming lead.  Breaks me out in a run.
[23:27] <anima_> NP Jack.


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