[00:10] <bjsnider> obviously there's no one universal experience here. everybody is either experiencing wildly different times, or the subjective nature of the judgjing of time is what's responsible. in other words, maybe the times are all the same but we all expect different things and so we perceive them differently
[00:14] <BUGabundo> time is nothing more then a dimention created by humans to measure what happens while matter moves
[00:14] <magn3ts> well when I shut down, nothing changes for close to 45 seconds, then gnome-panel disappears, the nthe background, then its down with 10 seconds
[00:15] <Daekdroom> magn3ts, THAT is a problem
[00:15] <magn3ts> startup probably takes less than that much time total. its just annoying because really, nothing visible happens for "too long" imo. the user is left wondering.
[00:15] <Daekdroom> It's nothing like that in here.
[00:15] <Daekdroom> In a few seconds the whole desktop disappears
[00:15] <LBo> Does anyone know if iphone 4 syncing will work in 11.04?
[00:15] <Daekdroom> Hell, not even my windows install is that slow to shutdown
[00:16] <penguin42> can someone check their /etc/hosts on +1 - mine has a ton of empty lines at the bottom?
[00:49] <charlie-tca> penguin42: I see a single blank line on the bottom in a fresh install
[00:49] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I have erm, 42 apparently
[00:49] <charlie-tca> heh, that seems like overkill
[00:50] <charlie-tca> My daily use Natty has none
[00:50] <charlie-tca> I figured that was because I edited it a while back, since I add several hosts to it
[01:07] <billybigrigger> penguin42, fresh install as of alpha1 has none
[01:08]  * penguin42 suspects it's an updateism
[01:30] <BUGabundo> week I am, body pains. sleep I must, for strength to gain! night peeps
[01:51] <bjsnider> who is he now, yoda?
[02:10] <nit-wit> "Proud I am, to stand by Wookiees in their hour of need." Yoda
[02:57] <aroman> What's the time and date appindicator in natty called?
[04:20] <litropy> whoops, that's right - I'm running the beta. >    Hi, peeps - I need to log into bash right after grub finishes so I can aptitude update. Because gnome no longer captures my keyboard nor touchpad.
[05:03] <adstat> Hello
[05:04]  * adstat is having trouble with ubuntu 11.04
[05:07] <rww> adstat: if you actually describe the problem, someone might help with it ;)
[05:07] <Volkodav> I need to change association for ubuntu-software-center but can't find how to invoke it
[05:08] <rww> Volkodav: The executable name is 'software-center', if that's what you're asking.
[05:08] <Volkodav> don't see it
[05:08] <rww> it's in /usr/bin in the filesystem, and in the Applications menu in the menu system.
[05:10] <Volkodav> I only see software-properties-gtk in /usr/bin
[05:10] <rww> Volkodav: do you have the 'software-center' package installed?
[05:10] <adstat> Trying to access a shared drive on a windows 7 computer, when prompted for a username & password i enter the appropriate user&pass and the prompt re-appears
[05:11] <Volkodav> rww: isn't it there by default? well obviosly not
[05:11] <Volkodav> I may as well do gdebi then
[05:11] <rww> Volkodav: yes. If it isn't installed, either you or the gloriously-unstable system we're using removed it.
[05:12] <Volkodav> :) was not me as far as I reemebr
[05:13] <Volkodav> I'd rather do gdebi
[05:14] <jt_> apt-get update is returning error code 2 with bzip for main amd64
[05:14] <jt_> have tried CA and US mirrors and cleared lists directory
[05:14] <jt_> ideas?
[05:21] <adstat> Any ideas? can't access Win7 share from Ubuntu 11.04 Box, same network, same workgroup, samba installed
[05:29] <adstat> I Can access the ubuntu box from the windows box in the network
[05:54] <cpatrick2008> i upgraded kubuntu  from maverick to natty and now my broadcom sta wirelss does not work i am typing this on my linux mint debian edition triple boot
[06:00] <cpatrick2008>  i upgraded kubuntu  from maverick to natty and now my broadcom sta wirelss does not work
[06:01] <holstein> cpatrick2008: did you try reinstalling the driver?
[06:03] <cpatrick2008> no i will in a few minutes brb
[06:16] <Amaranth> adstat: afaik it's because Windows 7 will only share with Windows 7 and Windows Vista machines without tweaking the settings
[06:16] <Amaranth> adstat: they use the SMB 2.0 protocol or something
[06:17] <Amaranth> and windows 7 has the whole homegroup thing you'll have to disable otherwise only windows 7 machines can access the shares
[06:23] <adstat> how do i disable that?
[06:38] <cpatrick2008> i upgraded from maverick to natty and my broadcom sta wireless is not working i tried renabling it and installing the broadcom-sta-common and broadcom-sta-source and rebooted and it is still not working
[06:40] <yofel> I think you should rather use bcmwl-kernel-source, that seems to have a newer driver
[06:40] <yofel> I don't know if that'll help though
[06:41] <cpatrick2008> ok i will try it
[06:41] <cpatrick2008> it is already installed
[06:43] <cpatrick2008> should i uninstall the sta-common and sta-source files
[06:48] <cpatrick2008> here is my  /var/log/jockey.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/548445/
[06:54] <adstat> Amaranth, homegroup disabled and still the same issue >.<
[06:56] <cpatrick2008> yofell:here is my  /var/log/jockey.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/548445/
[08:36] <larsivi> I lack sound in natty - which package should I run ubuntu-bug against?
[08:38] <yofel> try 'ubuntu-bug audio' first, if that doesn't work run 'ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[08:40] <larsivi> thanks
[08:52] <test_> Hi all, I'm just testing natty with unity but I cant seem to find the starter menu. Is that supposed to happen?
[08:56] <nit-wit> test_, starter on cd boot?
[08:56] <test_> no, I have it installed. The Ubuntu Icon top left just opens /usr/share/applications in nautilus
[08:57] <nit-wit> test_, are you udated
[08:57] <nit-wit> updated
[08:58] <test_> nit-wit, yes
[08:58] <test_> but not everything is working flawlessly
[08:58] <nit-wit> test_, try in a terminal nautilus -q
[08:59] <test_> nit-wit, that kills the nautilus window, but nothing else happens
[09:00] <nit-wit> are you getting the dropdowns from the menu beside the menu button
[09:00] <nit-wit> *menus
[09:01] <test_> nit-wit, I do have the left bar with a few launchers, if that is what you mean
[09:04] <nit-wit> test_, mine seems to at times loose the drop-down menus from the top panel, the restart of nautilus or that command seems to help
[09:07] <alokito> is there a natty torrent with good seeds?
[09:08] <test_> alokito, there is a torrent on the ubuntu website
[09:09] <alokito> yes but it doesnt have seed
[09:09] <alokito> download speed is 5KBps
[09:09] <rww> alokito: probably the best you'll get is the alpha1 torrent. if that's not working, then no.
[09:09] <alokito> ok
[09:09] <test_> alokito, weird, I downloaded the alpha with torrent and I had lots of seeders
[09:10] <alokito> so U should download alpha 1 not daily build?
[09:10] <rww> alokito: for future reference, crossposting to #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 (and crossposting in Ubuntu channels in general) is frowned upon. Just ask natty questions here.
[09:10] <alokito> well I was trying daily, not alpha
[09:10] <alokito> ok
[09:10] <test_> nit-wit, ah well, then its some sort of bug in unity. Not so surprising, unity wont even run for me with ati-restricted-drivers *enabled*
[09:11] <rww> test_: The Ubuntu icon is supposed to open /usr/share/applications right now. The actual applications menu hasn't been coded and released yet, and that's a stub for it.
[09:11] <alokito> test_: did you download 32 bit or 64 bit?
[09:12] <alokito> I'm not getting any seed in alpha 1 amd64
[09:12] <test_> alokito, 32 bit
[09:12] <nit-wit> my menu is working but I just installed gnome-do much easier
[09:12] <alokito> hmm ok
[09:12] <test_> rww, ok, thanks a lot, good to know
[09:16] <alokito> yup there are lots of seeds of the 32 bit version
[09:16] <alokito> wonder why the 64 bit isn't seeded... :-/
[09:17] <rww> because less people are using it, so less people have downloaded it, so less people are seeding it
[09:17] <alokito> okay
[09:18] <alokito> what's a metalink? something like torrent?
[09:19] <rww> alokito: metalinks describe where a file is available on HTTP, FTP, Bittorrent, etc., so a client can download from more than one place at once if they're able.
[09:19] <rww> I've never used them, though; dunno which clients support it.
[09:20] <alokito> ok
[09:32] <brot> ktorrent supports them, afaik.
[12:00] <coz_> does anyone know when canonical is finished with vacation?
[12:03] <nperry> Would like gnome-shell to not have broken packages
[12:03] <nperry> http://pastebin.com/UmenB9kX
[12:04] <yofel> file a bug, needs a rebuild it seems
[12:04] <vega-> such is life, lot's of things you'd want..
[12:30] <cdbs> yofel, nperry: looks like gnome-shell has been removed from the archive
[12:30] <cdbs> but the NBS binaries are still there
[12:32] <cdbs> so a rebuild won't help
[12:33] <cdbs> yofel, nperry: bug #690045
[12:35] <rww> hah. is that getting reversed before release?
[12:36] <rww> nvm, "if we can get enough of gnome3 in natty for it to build, we can add it back, otherwise, it should come back in natty + 1."
[12:37] <penguin42> souns like too much is broke to get it in
[12:58] <nperry> cdbs: Ah ok ty!
[12:58] <nperry> Missed that
[13:00] <nperry> Time to enable the ppa then
[13:48] <AlanBell> I can't install the 64bit alternate CD in a virtualbox VM
[13:49] <AlanBell> does a sigterm reboot just after partitioning when it gets the first few packages lined up
[13:50] <AlanBell> using the daily CD from a week ago didn't work so I did a zsync update today and the same symptoms. 768MB ram allocated to it on a fresh VM
[13:53] <rork> AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/694772
[13:53] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: known issue - all alternate images
[13:53] <AlanBell> bother
[13:53] <AlanBell> thanks
[14:10] <furbal> hello all
[14:10] <furbal>  hoping to find my answers here
[14:10] <furbal> i got a deadend
[14:11] <furbal> "no root file is defined"..
[14:11] <furbal> anyone familiar?
[14:11] <charlie-tca> depends on what you are doing at the time
[14:11] <furbal> meaning?
[14:12] <charlie-tca> What are you doing when you get the error? Does the computer just sit for a while and then you see that or what/
[14:12] <furbal> nope.
[14:12] <furbal> tried to install ubuntu. comes when we hv to choose wat partition to install
[14:13] <charlie-tca> so, are you choosing manual partitioning?
[14:14] <charlie-tca> You tell it how much drive to use, and you have to tell it the mount point, which should be      /
[14:14] <charlie-tca> If you leave mount point empty, it will give you that
[14:15] <furbal> yes. manual. coz i want to instal side to side wit vista.
[14:17] <charlie-tca> so you have several boxes to fill in. First you tell it what size, then primary or logical, then mount point. click the box and it gives you a list. choose       /
[14:19] <furbal> the size ? i already allocate one empty space using easeus partition master
[14:19] <furbal> so, i chose logical(tried primary too)
[14:19] <furbal> but havent try the / sign.
[14:19] <furbal> hv to c it again
[14:19] <charlie-tca> you still have to tell it to define the "mount point" and that needs to be /
[14:23] <furbal> ok. thx .
[14:23] <furbal> brb
[14:25] <gnubie> looks like furbal will be a good alpha tester
[14:29] <charlie-tca> we all started at the beginning once
[14:43] <furbal> hey charlie,
[14:43] <furbal> i found the mount point
[14:43] <furbal> but,
[14:43] <furbal> what is "use as"?
[14:43] <furbal> which one shud i use..
[14:44] <charlie-tca> use as is the file system. Pick the default or ext4
[14:44] <furbal> there are swap area, don use partition,reiser
[14:44] <furbal> ext4?
[14:44] <furbal> what or how'd that my laptop?
[14:44] <furbal> sry for asking,
[14:45] <furbal> but im a lil concern, since ive plenty of folder in my harddisk
[14:45] <charlie-tca> there should be ext4, ext3, reiser, swap, don't use, and some more
[14:45] <furbal> what or how'd that affect my laptop?
[14:45] <furbal> yes yes!
[14:45] <furbal> so, which one?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> you are installing to a separate partition, right?
[14:45] <furbal> yeap
[14:45] <charlie-tca> then pick ext4
[14:46] <furbal> then
[14:46] <charlie-tca> which is the default file system for Ubuntu
[14:46] <furbal> ok. n tats it?
[14:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:48] <furbal> i mean will it be any super-choices later on?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> not for drives
[14:49] <furbal> hurm..
[14:50] <furbal> ok. so, hit install, hopefully can start to use then
[14:50] <furbal> any tips, perhaps?
[14:51] <charlie-tca> don't install software that is not in Synaptic Package Manager or Software Center
[14:55] <furbal> means third parties is harmfull?
[14:55]  * patdk-wk violates charlie's rule every day
[14:55] <furbal> i tot most of s.ware is 3rd party
[14:56] <patdk-wk> most of it is already in there
[14:57] <charlie-tca> furbal: means almost anything you want is already there. No need to go search the internet for it
[14:58] <furbal> i read articles saying ubuntu is essential for c and c++
[14:58] <furbal> is that true
[14:58] <patdk-wk> what?
[14:58] <patdk-wk> hopefully you misread that
[14:59] <furbal> i mean for programming..
[14:59] <patdk-wk> that is like saying, a House, is essential for a tree
[15:00] <patdk-wk> you use a tree to make a house, but you don't have too, if you don't want to
[15:00] <patdk-wk> but in no way is the tree depending on the house
[15:01] <patdk-wk> but if this was in relation to a collage class or something, then the teach might only be comforatable teaching you c/c++ using ubuntu as the platform, but that is his thing, nothing really to do with c/c++
[15:02] <patdk-wk> teacher :)
[15:02] <patdk-wk> out of context phrases are great :)
[15:03] <furbal> sure it is, eventhough ive no idea wat that is
[15:03] <furbal> so, ubuntu is what in advantage?
[15:04] <patdk-wk> free?
[15:04] <patdk-wk> provides a simple easy to use gui?
[15:17] <furbal> will see.
[15:18] <furbal> see ya guys. thx for everything
[15:41] <zniavre_> !gimp natty
[17:41] <anon33_> is there a way to specify which version of ubuntu you're using when using 'apt-get install'? say i'm on 'maverick', but i want to use 'natty'
[17:42] <penguin42> anon33_: Do you mean you want one package from natty or you want the whole of natty?
[17:46] <anon33_> penguin42: i mean that i want one package from natty while i'm on maverick
[17:48] <penguin42> anon33_: OK, that might be possible; the thing is that package probably has dependencies on other bits of natty so it can be messy
[17:49] <penguin42> anon33_: what package is it out of interest?
[17:57] <patdk-wk> normally I just do a apt-get download, then dpkg -i ...
[17:58] <patdk-wk> well, actually I don't even do that, too annoying
[17:58] <patdk-wk> just wget it, then dpkg -i it
[18:03] <penguin42> yeh there are more complex things involving pinning package versions and stuff if you do it regularly, but they're a bit hairy
[18:08] <jMCg> anon33_: -t natty, IIRC.
[18:08] <anon33_> jMCg: thanks :)
[18:09] <yofel> more like 'apt-get install <package>/<release>'
[18:09] <yofel> or <package>=<version>
[18:09] <yofel> if you have the sources for that release in your sources.list
[18:30] <coz_> good day all
[18:35] <anon33_> yofel: apt-get install calibre=0.7.32+dfsg-1 (and all variants of 0.7.32) didn't work
[18:35] <anon33_> i'm trying to install this package via apt-get http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/calibre
[18:35] <Halik> Hi
[18:36] <Halik> Will universal usb installer work properly with 11.04 alpha?
[18:36] <yofel> packages.ubuntu.com broken again?
[18:37] <yofel> anon33_: well, you would need to have the sources for natty in your sources.list for that to work
[18:38] <penguin42> yofel: seems OK here
[18:38] <yofel> hm, works now, got a blank page a minute ago
[18:39] <alex_mayorga1> got a completely frozen laptop over here, tips?
[18:39] <alex_mayorga1> cursor won't move, keyboard unresponsive
[18:40] <yofel> alex_mayorga1: can you ssh in?
[18:40] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: no ssh on it unfortunately
[18:41] <alex_mayorga1> I guess my only hope is to hold the power button until it turns off, right?
[18:41] <holstein> control+alt+F2 no good either?
[18:41] <alex_mayorga1> holstein: negative, tried that one already
[18:41] <yofel> well, try systq+k, it that doesn't work sysrq+reisub, if it's still unresponsive power button
[18:42] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: thanks let me try those
[18:42] <alex_mayorga1> not even Caps Lock works so not much hope
[18:42] <yofel> reisub as in sysrq+r, sysrq+e, ... in sequence
[18:42] <alex_mayorga1> sysrq+k doesn't do anything
[18:43] <alex_mayorga1> let me try the reisub sequence
[18:43] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: nothing either, is just completely frozen :S
[18:44] <yofel> you used sysrq as in alt+printscr+k (usually)
[18:44] <yofel> ?
[18:44] <yofel> if sysrq+b doesn't do anything then it's hard locked though
[18:44] <alex_mayorga1> wait, that did
[18:44] <alex_mayorga1> it needed the alt bit
[18:45] <yofel> !sysrq
[18:45] <alex_mayorga1> alt+sys rq+ k  did something
[18:45] <yofel> alex_mayorga1: that should kill anything on the current terminal (X in this case)
[18:45] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: it went back to a terminal for a couple seconds then came back to the frozen firefox screen
[18:46] <yofel> does ctrl+alt+f2 do something now?
[18:46] <alex_mayorga1> still locked up, do I do the reisub?
[18:46] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: no, nothing
[18:46] <yofel> probably, maybe the GPU is locked up
[18:46] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: reisub rebooted it
[18:47] <alex_mayorga1> what now? anything to gather or bug report to file?
[18:47] <alex_mayorga1> or just tough luck over here
[18:47] <yofel> no idea, check /var/log things if there's some error in the gdm or X logs, or in kern.log
[18:48] <yofel> but I usually resign when I get that
[18:48] <alex_mayorga1> OK, thanks
[18:56] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: no errors on Xorg.0.log
[18:56] <alex_mayorga1> just a couple of warnings
[18:56] <yofel> check Xorg.0.log.old, the other one is from your current instance
[18:57] <alex_mayorga1> yofel, same 3 warnings, something acour cyrillic doesn't exist
[18:58] <alex_mayorga1> and falling back to old probe for both vesa and fbdev
[18:58] <yofel> the last time I had something similiar I only managed to get a X trace from kdm.log over ssh, after reboot there wasn't any error to be found anymore :/
[18:58] <yofel> what was that again..
[18:59] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: the 3 waring on my X logs
[19:00] <yofel> hm, no idea if that would be related, at least not without knowing what actually happened
[19:01] <yofel> you could read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze - I had the EQ error once
[19:02] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: what should I look for in gdm?
[19:02] <yofel> no idea, haven't used gdm in a long time, I just know that it keeps some logs by itself
[19:03] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: what should I install in order to ssh next time it happens?
[19:04] <yofel> openssh-server
[19:05] <alex_mayorga1> funny thing is the locked screen appeared for a split second after the reboot and before gdm
[19:05] <yofel> make sure your router doesn't forwart port 22 to that pc though if you have one
[19:05] <yofel> *forward
[19:05] <anon33_> yofel: is there an easy way to add the natty source for all packages?
[19:05] <anon33_> yofel: that are distributed by ubuntu*
[19:07] <yofel> anon33_: put http://paste.ubuntu.com/548598/ into /etc/apt/preferences and 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted multiverse universe' into /etc/apt/sources.list (or use a mirror)
[19:07] <anon33_> yofel: wow, thank you
[19:08] <yofel> anon33_: actually you might have to use a value like 5 as the Pin-Priority if apt gives an error, just make sure it's <100
[19:09] <yofel> see the apt_preferences manpage
[19:10] <Volkodav> I can't open any pdf file unless I save it first same with torrent links in opera 11
[19:11] <Volkodav> I have associations correct in it
[19:11] <Volkodav> but it errors once I hit open
[19:16] <anon33_> yofel: what do you mean about 5? where would i put that value?
[19:17] <yofel> anon33_: replace -1 with 5 in the Pin-Priority line, but only if apt refuses to install the newer package
[19:17] <anon33_> where is the pin priority line?
[19:17] <yofel> anon33_: preferences
[19:17] <anon33_> oh, thanks
[19:17] <anon33_> yofel: i don't have a /etc/apt/prefences, but preferences.d - the same?
[19:18] <yofel> well, either create the preferences or put it into it's own file in preferences.d, should work the same
[19:18] <anon33_> so a preferences file in preferences.d?
[19:18] <anon33_> it's a directory
[19:18] <yofel> anon33_: yes, the filename doesn't matter though in preferences.d
[19:20] <anon33_> now will it still be possible to install maverick pacakages after doing this?
[19:20] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: Can you take a quick look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/548602 for anything obviously wrong, please?
[19:20] <anon33_> packages*
[19:20] <yofel> anon33_: sure, as the pin only pins n=natty
[19:20] <anon33_> yofel: so how do i specify one versus the other when doing apt-get ?
[19:21] <anon33_> say i want to install a maverick specific package, or natty specific (ie - an example of both)
[19:21] <yofel> maverick: sudo apt-get install package, natty: sudo apt-get install package/natty
[19:21] <anon33_> ah - thanks!!
[19:21] <yofel> and make sure you remove the pin if you ever upgrade to natty
[19:22] <yofel> alex_mayorga1: looks right
[19:22] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: who knows then, thanks on looking, would try to do the ssh thingie if it keeps happening
[19:23] <anon33_> yofel: sudo apt-get instsall calibre/natty didn't quite work
[19:23] <anon33_> so i should change the pin to 5?
[19:23] <yofel> yes
[19:24] <anon33_> still didn't work
[19:24] <yofel> alex_mayorga1: see the troubleshooting page, that has some advice if you get a terminal over ssh, not much for nouveau though
[19:24] <yofel> anon33_: what does it say?
[19:24] <yofel> anon33_: and can you pastebin 'apt-cache policy calibre' ?
[19:25] <anon33_> do you possibly know how to copy from terminal vim to the x11 keyboard?
[19:25] <anon33_> clipboard*
[19:28] <yofel> marking something in visual mode does copy it to xclipboard here so I can paste it with the middle mouse button
[19:28] <yofel> else try "+y
[19:29] <yofel> as vim references the system clipboard over the + buffer
[19:29] <anon33_> yofel: doesn't work for me for some reason
[19:29] <anon33_> so i'll just type it out...
[19:29] <yofel> I only tested that for pasting though
[19:29] <anon33_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted multiverse universe
[19:30] <anon33_> is that the lin in sources.list?
[19:30] <yofel> looks right
[19:30] <yofel> anon33_: you can paste things from cli with pastebinit by the way: apt-cache policy calibre | pastebinit
[19:31] <anon33_> ooh - thanks!
[19:31] <anon33_> http://pastebin.com/NWML9gWb
[19:31] <yofel> anon33_: sudo apt-get update
[19:31] <anon33_> ...
[19:32] <anon33_> that would do it
[19:32] <anon33_> let me try in a sec again
[19:32] <anon33_> on a slow 'linksys' wireless connection
[19:36] <alex_mayorga1> is it possible to update a system from CD?
[19:37] <yofel> afaik the alternate image can be used for that, I don't know how much that'll update though
[19:38] <alex_mayorga1> yofel: so a live Cd is not good for that?
[19:39] <yofel> no idea, I don't know much about it
[19:40] <anon33_> yofel: would you happen to know a way to install all required packages via an apt-get install call? like trying to install vim-gtk requires libruby1.8...etc
[19:40] <anon33_> so that i don't have to install each of those seperately
[19:42] <yofel> apt-get should install of that, that's the reason for it's existence
[19:42] <yofel> *all of that
[19:45] <anon33_> yofel: well, it says the following packages have unmet dependencies: (libruby...blah blah blah)
[19:45] <anon33_> libruby1.8 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>2) but <IP_ADDRESS>9-2 is to be installed
[19:45] <anon33_> and it just stops
[19:46] <yofel> ah, then the pin might be too strong, try a value of 105
[19:47] <anon33_> weird
[19:47] <anon33_> still doesn't work
[19:48] <yofel> *sigh*, let me try this in a chroot
[19:50] <yofel> hm...
[19:51] <yofel> anon33_: ok, set the Pin-Priority to 500, install what you need and set it to 5 again
[19:53] <yofel> apt doesn't want to resolve dependencies it seems when the packages are pinned it seems :/
[20:39] <alex_mayorga> Can somebody look on the kernel panics/oops I keep getting?
[20:40] <alex_mayorga> bug 693828
[20:43] <alex_mayorga> should I file separate bugs or are all those related?
[20:43] <penguin42> oh that was a different one from the one you were getting the other day
[20:44] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: seems like the kernel oops when I disconnect the AC
[20:44] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: can you take a look at the new two pics I attached?
[20:44] <alex_mayorga> maybe I should just put this laptop on eBay :(
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> funky new thing, now it booted and is using the standard gnome appearance it seems
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> no funky black theme
[20:49] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: So the NULL derecference at 0000...20 is an interesting one, I'd make that a separate bug
[20:50] <anon33_> yofel: i'm sorry - i had to go offline for a bit. did chroot work for you?
[20:51] <yofel> anon33_: nope, apt refuses to resolve dependencies that are pinned, you'll have set the pin to 500 and later back to 5
[20:51] <anon33_> why do i have to change it back?
[20:52] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: With so many different failures I've got to wonder about hardware
[20:52] <yofel> if you don't, the next dist-upgrade will upgrade you to natty
[20:56] <anon33_> yofel: what pin # do you recommend?
[20:57] <yofel> anon33_: anying >=500, later put it <100 again
[21:00] <anon33_> yofel: thank you so much for your help
[21:01] <yofel> np
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: how do I file the new bug, new one with just the picture?
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> maybe is time for me to go upstream into debian :)
[22:05] <alex_mayorga> the weir theme goes away as soon as I go into System > Preferences > Appearance, weird
[22:13] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Yeh I'd just file it with the picture and transcribe bits of it
[22:13] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: I don't think Debian are running with that new a kernel
[22:16] <person> hi
[22:16] <person> need some help
[22:17] <person> ubuntu 11.04 does not recognize my cd-rom
[22:18] <person> ????
[22:21] <nit-wit> person, on board or plug in?
[22:22] <person> sorry?
[22:22] <person> When I insert a disk, It does not run it or recognze it.
[22:23] <person> But it used to...
[22:23] <nit-wit> person, what is on the cd
[22:23] <person> I was trying to burn an iso. on a virgin dvd
[22:24] <person> then, when it did not work, I even put the ubuntu installer on my cd-rom
[22:24] <nit-wit> person, is it a dvd-rw
[22:24] <person> but, it did not recognize it neither..
[22:24] <person> yes, it is
[22:24] <nit-wit> person, have you opened brasero and seen if it needs to be formatted
[22:25] <person> no, I don't
[22:26] <person> Well, maybe can you show me a comand to run on terminal, to see if my cd-rom is working...
[22:26] <person> or, I don't know what else to do.
[22:26] <person> sorry, noob
[22:27] <nit-wit> person, is natty your only Ubuntu or Linux install
[22:28] <person> I just have installed ubuntu natty naewhal
[22:28] <person> narwhal!
[22:29] <nit-wit> person, so that is the only Ubungtu are you dual booted
[22:29] <nit-wit> *Ubuntu
[22:29] <person> yes, it is
[22:30] <nit-wit> person, I asked 2 questions, lol so what have you got running on the computer and how exsperienced are you with linux
[22:31] <person> Im sorry, yes, I just have Ubuntu, so, I don't have my computer dual booted.
[22:32] <person> And, Im not experienced with linux unfortunately, (that's why I chose ubuntu)
[22:33] <nit-wit> person, you know that you loaded a buggy development correct not a good learning platform
[22:35] <person> Well, I see, but, is there anything I can do?
[22:36] <nit-wit> person, If I were you and this is a fresh install with nothing to loose is install like Maverick next to it, so that you have a released version more stable. Your problems could be anything.
[22:37] <person> mmm..
[22:38] <person> You see, my ubuntu cd installer is actually maverick, or 10.10... but, now, when I checked the information, turns out ubuntu upgrated to 11.04
[22:38] <BUGabundo> hey :P
[22:39] <person> I tried to run ubuntu live from my  flash (I mean 10.10), but, it did not recognize a cd when I inserted
[22:39] <person> so...
[22:39] <person> Do you suggest to re-install ubuntu?, and If yes, what can I do to avoid ubuntu automatic upgrades?
[22:40] <nit-wit> person, there is a bug that has 10.10reading as Naty there, open the system monitor in menu-system-admin-system monitor and open the system tab what does it say
[22:42] <person> ubuntu release 10.10 (maverick)
[22:42] <person> kernel linux 2.6.35-223-generic
[22:42] <person> gnome 2.32.0
[22:42] <person> enough?
[22:45] <person> then it say hardware memory processor... but I think that is trivial
[22:46] <person> is that ok nit-wit?
[22:46] <nit-wit> person, good its maverick, so go to #ubuntu or @ubuntu-beginners this channel is for Natty
[22:46] <nit-wit> person, more help on te main#ubuntu probably
[22:48] <person> damn..
[22:48] <person> thank you by the way..
[22:48] <person> but, if I go there, I have to explain all the thing again..
[22:51] <nit-wit> person, sure but you might try the Ubuntu forums as a thread as well. if you just put a plain cd in one that is say music doe it get recognized do you just not see a desktop icon?
[22:51] <nit-wit> *does
[22:52] <person> the icon does not appear on my desktop
[22:52] <person> or on computer
[22:54] <person> even though I try a dvd or cd


[00:04] <blud2_> what does lubuntu use again.. um, not gdm, not lightdm..?
[00:06] <Unit193> LXDM.
[01:57] <bludshot> when i turned on my computer, it was saying Checking for running unattended upgrades, and getting stuck on that. So I booted to recovery and apt-get removed that and rebooted and then it said Could not write bytes: broken pipe. So I rebooted to recovery and did dpkg-reconfigure lxde to see if that fixes it, and now when I turn on the computer i just get a black screen, then a lubuntu loading
[01:57] <bludshot> screen for a split second and then a black screen forever (like more than an hour, presumably forever)
[03:00] <Treat1> Hi, to all
[03:01] <Treat1> I'm having some trouble with Audacious "No decoder" when trying to listen to online radio station,
[03:02] <holstein> Treat1: i would try VLC
[03:02] <holstein> i would try adding some codecs for whatever audio support you need
[03:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:02] <Treat1> I'm want to stay as close to the original disto as I can
[03:03] <holstein> Treat1: cool
[03:03] <Treat1> when I installed it I checked the Restricted Formats
[03:03] <holstein> then ask for a stream from the provider that doesnt require a codec
[03:04] <holstein> you'll either need to add a decoder, or try a different stream.. but i would do this after trying VLC
[03:04] <Treat1> I would like to get the codec's which ones do I need
[03:05] <holstein> Treat1: not sure... you'll need to check with the stream provider and see what it is.. or just install VLC.. fire up that stream and see what VLC says it is
[03:05] <holstein> you can go from there :)
[03:05] <Treat1> Oh ok you convinced me, I'll get vlc
[03:05] <Treat1> thx
[03:06] <Treat1> Damn, the one time that I thought I'd get by on the bare essentials.:-/
[04:43] <bludshot> i did some stuff to fix some problems, including doing dpkg-reconfigure lxdm   and now when I get into the desktop i have no start menu or task bar
[05:34] <asde> excuse me
[10:07] <Fudge> am now, pace barplaying p ol
[15:13] <karsten_> hey there. does anybody knows why i can install updates via the "Aktualisierungsverwaltung" (I think its Update Manger in English) in Lubuntu 11.10 without typing in my root-password
[16:48] <Treat1> After a fresh install of Lubuntu 11.10 I'm not able to set up printing on my networked printer. This has alway been a breeze, it's not even found when I put in the ip add. of the printer. Has anyone else had an issue like this.
[17:33] <Armin-Maywald> hi im currently testing lubuntu via an usb-stick and I noticed that my Media-Keyboard-buttons dont work. Is no such feature implemented in Lubuntu or do the Buttons work when I Install Lubuntu on my Harddrive.
[17:33] <Armin-Maywald> I would be happy if i get an answer
[17:35] <Unit193> Look for "media" in .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml, it's all commented out.
[17:35] <Unit193> Not sure if they work as I don't have those keys.
[17:35] <Armin-Maywald> ok thanks for the advice
[17:52] <valdur55> damn it! I missed
[18:11] <leszek> hi
[18:11] <Unit193> Howdy, leszek.
[19:47] <smkatz> Hi. I can connect to wireless networks manually, but unclear how to get the list of wireless networks to appear
[19:47] <smkatz> using netgear usb dongle
[19:55] <smkatz> no problem that no one hears me. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1932472 posted thread with more detail
[19:59] <Unit193> I hear you, but all I can say is to look into nm-applet as I don't really use wireless.
[20:00] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1796785 that's also something that turned up.
[20:36] <smkatz> should I worry that update manager is not moving the progress bar, even though I have hard drive activity? It's applying changes
[20:41] <Myrtti> if the system is otherwise responsive, no
[20:42] <wxl> smkatz: i could imagine that happening with the installation of a big package e.g. a new kernel
[20:42] <Unit193> Or since it's the update manager....
[20:43] <wxl> …?
[20:43] <smkatz> so it asks me to escalate privileges, and then I had to click the apply changes button again
[20:43] <smkatz> I did add the ppa repository but did not add anything to the system from it
[20:44] <wxl> you could watch /var/log/dpkg.log
[20:44] <wxl> as it makes changes it will update it
[20:44] <Unit193> Doens't it also have a "Details" button?
[20:44] <wxl> tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log
[20:45] <smkatz> what's the terminal command to display that log? sorry. I know a bit of terminal, and am learning more
[20:45] <smkatz> the details button doesn't seem to be working
[20:45] <wxl> smkatz: what irc client you on?
[20:46] <smkatz> chatzilla running on firefox
[20:46] <smkatz> running on a mac
[20:46] <smkatz> (not the computer I'm talking about)
[20:46] <wxl> aw well that probably won't help. :) you're not on the same machine
[20:47] <smkatz> if you need me to be
[20:47] <smkatz> I can be
[20:47] <wxl> anyways like i said "tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log" will produce the last few lines of the log and keep watching for further updates, printing them to the screen as they come
[20:47] <smkatz> you going to do x-windows screen sharing or something?
[20:47] <smkatz> ok
[20:47] <smkatz> sounds good
[20:47] <wxl> i was just thinking with, e.g. irssi, you could use the exec command and echo the last line of the log here
[20:47] <wxl> of course you could just look and tell us manually ;)
[20:48] <smkatz> knowledge is a dangerous thing
[20:48] <smkatz> what does the -f parameter do?
[20:48] <wxl> follow
[20:50] <Unit193> Same as `tailf` will do.
[20:51] <wxl>   -f, --follow[={name|descriptor}]
[20:51] <wxl>                            output appended data as the file grows;
[20:51] <wxl>                            -f, --follow, and --follow=descriptor are
[20:51] <wxl>                            equivalent
[20:51] <wxl> ^^ the joys of the /exec command
[20:53] <smkatz> it says it half-configured and installed some things
[20:53] <smkatz> the last line is "startup packages purge"
[20:54] <smkatz> does that help or do you need more detail?
[20:54] <wxl> naw that doesn't really help much.. half-configuring and installing is pretty standard fare stuff
[20:55] <smkatz> do you need more info? do you think there's a problem at all?
[20:56] <wxl> watch it and see if it continues to update
[20:56] <wxl> thus tail -f or tailf
[21:00] <smkatz> so there's something weird about this log
[21:01] <smkatz> the most recent log entry says it happens in 1980 (the bottom)
[21:01] <smkatz> the others are all in military time and in 2011
[21:01] <wxl> strange…
[21:01] <smkatz> the time appears to be correct on the machine although in 24 time
[21:01] <smkatz> and it still is at "purging startup packages"
[21:02] <smkatz> this is an old machine
[21:02] <smkatz> could the cmos battery be going?
[21:02] <smkatz> does it sync time as soon as it's connected to the internet?
[21:04] <wxl> there's only one reliable way to test your cmos battery (voltmeter) but that certainly could be one explanation
[21:06] <wxl> regardless of network time sync, cmos should maintain system time
[21:06] <smkatz> I just installed this last night (lbuntu)
[21:07] <smkatz> I didn't have a network connection until now
[21:07] <wxl> as i said should be irrelevant
[21:07] <smkatz> the time was wrong when I installed it
[21:07] <wxl> ah ho oh ho
[21:07] <wxl> time to get out the voltmeter :D
[21:07] <smkatz> ok
[21:07] <wxl> if you don't have one just replace the battery
[21:07] <wxl> make sure you know your cmos settings ahead of time tho
[21:08] <smkatz> could this explain why the updates are failing?
[21:08] <wxl> i can't say it is btu i'
[21:08] <wxl> m not sure how apt uses time
[21:08] <smkatz> well apt-get appears to work
[21:08] <smkatz> I can add stuff to the repository
[21:08] <smkatz> and do an update
[21:08] <wxl> update manager is an apt front end
[21:08] <wxl> you can just kill update manager and do everything with apt
[21:09] <smkatz> it was after I added ppa to the repository that update manager popped up
[21:09] <wxl> i don't use update manager. i don't trust it
[21:09] <smkatz> (I also did an apt-get update
[21:09] <smkatz> is that the same command?
[21:09] <wxl> did update proceed without problems?
[21:09] <smkatz> yes
[21:09] <wxl> did you then apt-get upgrade?
[21:09] <smkatz> no not yet
[21:09] <wxl> well you need to do that too in order to duplicate what update manager is doing
[21:09] <smkatz> I was following some instructions for installing some software
[21:09] <smkatz> ok sounds good
[21:09] <wxl> btw they don't work together simultaneous
[21:10] <smkatz> the commands?
[21:10] <smkatz> or the software?
[21:10] <wxl> both of them put a lock on the cache and so if one of them has it locked, the other one can't access it
[21:10] <wxl> update manager and apt
[21:10] <smkatz> that makes sense
[21:10] <wxl> or more generally apt and any apt front end (synaptic, lsc, aptitude, etc.)
[21:10] <smkatz> ah ha.
[21:10] <smkatz> I have synaptic running
[21:10] <smkatz> not doing anything
[21:10] <smkatz> but running
[21:11] <smkatz> I'll close it
[21:11] <smkatz> why it was able to proceed at all?
[21:11] <smkatz> who knows
[21:11] <wxl> if it wasn't doing anything that's probably no big deal
[21:11] <wxl> i think the way synaptic works it doesn't put the lock on until it actually starts a process-- about when it asks for privs
[21:13] <smkatz> I think I may have given it though? not sure
[21:13] <smkatz> I closed synaptic. the update manager then became responsive
[21:13] <smkatz> I told it to cancel
[21:13] <smkatz> it's back at the package list
[21:14] <smkatz> should I try running it again? or run an apt-get upgrade?
[21:15] <wxl> smkatz: you can do what you like but i prefer apt
[21:16] <smkatz> I mean I'm going to be giving this to a novice user, so it would be nice to either set the update process with a script/cron job and disable the update manager or to get the update manager to work?
[21:18] <wxl> update manager should work
[21:19] <wxl> i suspect synaptic was what's giving you the trouble
[21:19] <wxl> though possibly the cmos battery too
[21:19] <wxl> i like NOT automatically updating as sometimes you find out there are updates you don't want because they're troublesome. usually that's not the case with the standard repos but if you have testing, proposed, any ppa's, etc-- you kind of never know
[21:22] <smkatz> so, it is now telling me in the log that it half-configured and half-installed a bunch of packages
[21:22] <smkatz> is it in the process of cancelling?
[21:22] <smkatz> (update manager, locked cache, cancelled)
[21:23] <wxl> so it's not running now?
[21:24] <smkatz> no, it appears to be writing log entries
[21:24] <smkatz> but it isn't running gui-wise
[21:24] <smkatz> (I cancelled it)
[21:24] <wxl> oh ok so it's not running
[21:24] <wxl> can you do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" ?
[21:26] <smkatz> should I control c out of the tail -f?
[21:40] <smkatz> it appears the dpkg lists and stuff are locked
[21:40] <smkatz> maybe something like update-manager or sypantic didn't kill correctly
[21:41] <smkatz> I am going to try rebooting
[21:41] <smkatz> then doing apt-get upgrade
[21:58] <smkatz> for the record, my tackpad stopped working
[21:58] <smkatz> will reinstall
[21:58] <smkatz> thanks for the lessons everyone
[21:59] <wxl> smkatz: the trackpad was your problem?!
[22:28] <TrplHelix> Greetings All!  I <3 lubuntu.  But I broke it.  Modified /etc/apt/sources.list to include the 'precise' libraries.  Now apt-get fails to install software (even after all the apt-get autocleans/autoremoves ....)  Should I just reload my computer or is there an easy recovery?
[22:28] <wxl> TrplHelix: do you have pastebinit installed?
[22:29] <TrplHelix> no
[22:29] <wxl> well ok then you can do it manually
[22:29] <TrplHelix> well,  i typed paste then hit tab and nothing came up
[22:29] <TrplHelix> k
[22:30] <wxl> run `sudo apt-get update` and paste the results to paste.ubuntu.com and give us the resulting url
[22:30] <wxl> for that matter it might be good to have your /etc/apt/sources.list too
[22:32] <TrplHelix> wxl:  sudo apt-get update running now.  will provide sources.list too
[22:32] <wxl> TrplHelix: out of curiousity, what exact feedback to get you when trying to install software (and what are you trying to install?)
[22:32] <wxl> for that matter, what version are you on?
[22:34] <TrplHelix> I was trying to install angband 3.3.0.  I was using a .deb package that I found online but it has been removed.  I could not correctly compile from source.  Now I have 77 held packages and my librarys are half 11.10 and half 12.04.  Right now I just want to get back to using mysql
[22:35] <TrplHelix> i have lubuntu 11.10 and i modified apt/sources.list
[22:36] <TrplHelix> wxl:  http://pastebin.com/RFX3vLuF
[22:37] <TrplHelix> Additionally,  Update Manager is running at this moment claiming that, "Not all updates can be installed".  Buttons are Partial Upgrade and Close
[22:43] <TrplHelix> I clicked on the Partial Upgrade button and it wants to remove 2 apps.  one of which is the LXDE login GUI...
[22:44] <wxl> sorry work's calling over here
[22:44] <wxl> but long story short you did a bad thing :D
[22:44] <TrplHelix> No sweat, take your time!
[22:44] <TrplHelix> and yes.... i figured i did wrong.  Should I just reload?
[22:58] <wxl> ok back
[22:58] <TrplHelix> :)
[22:58] <wxl> so sadly the problem with what you've got going on is you're now half way in between precise and oneiric
[22:58] <wxl> and unfortunately it's not very easy to undo what apt has done…
[22:58] <TrplHelix> ok.  to bad, i really like the new bluefish.
[22:59] <TrplHelix> I'll reload 11.10 and wait patiently with the rest of us mortals :(
[22:59] <TrplHelix> er ;(
[22:59] <wxl> so unless you want to spend a bunch of time basically backtracking by hand, or unless you want to fully dip into precise, you should either use a backup or reinstall
[22:59] <TrplHelix> Thank you for your time!
[23:00] <TrplHelix> and for providing a troll free zone hehe :D
[23:00] <wxl> what you did wasn't necessarily bad but you'd want to be a little bit more careful about what you let the next version install
[23:00] <wxl> or you could just grab a deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[23:01] <TrplHelix> ooh let me research that option
[23:01] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/i386/angband/download
[23:02] <wxl> all this for a game too
[23:02]  * wxl shakes his head :D
[23:02] <TrplHelix> lol yup
[23:02] <TrplHelix> angband is my achiles heal
[23:03] <wxl> nethack/asciiportal ftw ;)
[23:03] <wxl> oh you want to see some rad text based game???
[23:03] <TrplHelix> please!
[23:03] <wxl> http://jsbin.com/egiqul/49 <-- the source code is only <140 characters
[23:04] <TrplHelix> wow... looking
[23:04] <wxl> (and that's why it's rad-- the actual game is pretty lame)
[23:04] <wxl> https://gist.github.com/1672254
[23:04] <wxl> ok enough offtopic stuff for now :D this channel gets logged. if you want to chat about random stuff, feel free to pop over to #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:05] <TrplHelix> oh.  TY for your time once more.
[23:05] <wxl> anytime
[23:29] <iceroot> can someone on lubuntu 12.04 provide me the output of "dpkg -l gnome-screensaver"? does it start with "ii" for you? do you only have lxde installed or also unity/gnome?
[23:31] <wxl> iceroot:
[23:31] <wxl> No packages found matching gnome-screensaver.
[23:32] <iceroot> as it seems we have "gnome-screensaver" and "xscreensaver" lubuntu-desktop is suggesting gnome-screensaver which is pulling gnome-time-admin -> gnome-system-tools -> gnome-screensaver
[23:33] <iceroot> hm, something on my system was pulling gnome-screensaver which is now conflicting with xscreensaver
[23:33] <wxl> and by "we" you mean "you??" :D
[23:33] <iceroot> yes :)
[23:34] <iceroot> hm, maybe we should have a "conflict" for xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver? lubuntu-desktop is pulling gnome-screensaver (indirectly) and lubuntu-settings is pulling "xscreensaver" (indirectly)
[23:35] <iceroot> but i am not sure what that means if we have unity and lubuntu installed
[23:35] <wxl> aw man i remember one day i spent trying to figure out how to do reverse dependencies and now i don't remember how :/
[23:35] <wxl> we don't have unity anymore though, right?
[23:35] <iceroot> wxl: aptitude why foobar
[23:35] <wxl> right i tried to figure out how to do it withput aptitude :D
[23:35] <iceroot> wxl: no but if you do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[23:36]  * wxl does not do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :D
[23:36] <wxl> (which is why i don't have ubuntu…)
[23:36] <iceroot> or if you do "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" on ubuntu :)
[23:36] <wxl> neither would i do that
[23:37] <iceroot> i thought i am stupid, i told xscreensaver not to do anything and the screensaver was active after 5 minutes... and it was gnome-screensaver
[23:37] <iceroot> i will do some research about that tomorrow and why i have gnome-screensaver and you dont have it
[23:39] <iceroot> do we have a workarounf for this "grey on black"? i really need evolution usable at the moment
[23:40] <wxl> not afaik