[00:03] <RAOF> racarr__: You wanted to discuss 1Hz-rendering
[00:03] <RAOF> ?
[00:04] <kdub> racarr__,  quick side question :) is this one ready to go? https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/cursor-spike-phase-2.5-rework-of-the-input-targets/+merge/213742
[00:04] <racarr__> kdub: Yeah!
[00:04] <racarr__> RAOF: Um...in a bit (around meeting or something?) getting ready to make dinner
[00:05] <RAOF> racarr__: Sure!
[01:00] <kgunn> searching for a headset...
[07:24] <RAOF> In Which I Gain A New Appreciation Of How Slow Nexus 4 Hardware Is.
[07:27] <anpok_> RAOF: hm?
[07:27] <RAOF> anpok_: Oh, running into a race I thought couldn't happen.
[07:27] <RAOF> But does on N4.
[07:27] <RAOF> Under valgrind, admittedly.
[07:28] <RAOF> Turns out a thread sleeping for 1ms is not long enough for another thread to get unblocked and take the lock.
[07:40] <mlankhorst> RAOF: that's really really the wrong approach to locking ;P
[07:54] <RAOF> Well, I'm doing this in a test designed to expose a different race, so I can't really go into the code and lock at exactly the right point :)
[08:01] <mlankhorst> hah :p
[08:01] <mlankhorst> while (pthread_mutex_trylock()) unlock() sleep ? :D
[08:03] <RAOF> I'll just (a) bump it to 2ms and (b) move the locking closer.
[08:07] <duflu> RAOF: Script up a test which runs helgrind ;)
[08:07] <duflu> That will fail reliably
[08:07] <RAOF> duflu: Hush!
[08:08]  * duflu bows head and backs into hole
[08:08] <RAOF> Anyway, EOD for me.
[08:16] <alf_> duflu: Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1308843 about the buffer consuming thread running faster than the real compositor?
[08:20] <duflu> alf_: Kind of yes. But unconditionally running both it seems, still results in the same problem. You get periodic aliasing/beating. The only real solution is to make the consumer conditional, which is fairly easy. I'm just stuck writing good test cases right now
[08:21] <alf_> duflu: "to make the consumer conditional" ?
[08:21] <duflu> It's exactly the same as multi-monitor with 59.9Hz vs 60.0Hz. With physical displays we accept the beating, but with the virtual one we shouldn't
[08:22] <alf_> duflu: there's also RAOFs approach which shouldn't have this issue
[08:22] <alf_> duflu: have you tried it?
[08:23] <duflu> alf_: No I was trying to solve regressions before doing more code reviews
[08:23] <duflu> Argh, we're all tangled
[08:25] <duflu> Anyway, the fix(es) are easy. I'll continue improving the regression tests regardless
[08:30] <duflu> Wow, that's huge
[08:30] <duflu> I think we can do better
[08:32] <alf_> duflu: what's huge?
[08:32] <duflu> alf_: The diff
[08:34] <alf_> duflu: diff of what?
[08:34] <duflu> alf_: 1Hz branch
[08:34] <duflu> I think I can solve multiple regressions with much less change
[08:34] <anpok_> hm the timer functionality adds a lot
[08:35] <duflu> A lot of risk, definitely
[08:35] <duflu> And maintenance burden
[13:39] <kgunn> alf_: just want to say...non-block swap buffers on mir-devel seems to be rockin'
[13:39] <kgunn> i tested all day y'day on xmir...did a lot of suspends
[13:39] <kgunn> and comparing to regular X....didn't see any difference
[13:39] <kgunn> in fact, i see a bug sometimes on X suspend :)
[13:40] <kgunn> also, i put through the wringer on nexus 10...no new bugs
[13:40] <kgunn> any bugs around sidestage are the same/already present
[13:43] <alf_> kgunn: Great. I have put up https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/consume-only-not-rendered-buffers/+merge/216725 for review, trying to combine the best of both worlds, but if everything is working fine at the moment, let's go with what we have and revisit in a few days when things have stabilized.
[14:49] <anpok> so we wont integrate RAOFs MP?
[14:49] <anpok> I am asking because I would have a need for the Timer functionality that comes with that MP..
[15:34] <alf_> anpok: We haven't decided anything yet... just more alternatives for evaluation
[15:34] <AlbertA> anpok: that's up to the panel to decide :)
[15:34] <anpok> hehe
[15:34] <anpok> the elder?
[15:34] <anpok> *s
[15:34] <anpok> hmm
[15:35] <anpok> I was thinking about shamlessly ripping that part out and providing it as is in a separate MP
[15:35] <AlbertA> anpok: let's merge both and see what happens.... ;)
[15:36] <AlbertA> anpok: that's the spirit of open source
[15:36] <AlbertA> anpok: :)
[15:41] <anpok> alan_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/custom_input_dispatcher/+merge/215174/comments/514940
[15:43] <anpok> alan_g: would you prefer a huge change that does everything in one MP - or several normal sized changes?
[15:44] <anpok> hmm it is already beyond 3k...
[15:46] <alan_g> anpok: I don't mind promises that "this is only like this until the next MP"
[15:48] <anpok> can I reuse that promises since it will take a few more MPs untill that thing evaporates
[15:48] <alan_g> ack
[15:49] <anpok> and at some point I need to add (or understand that those events can be ignored) something to MirEvent
[15:49] <anpok> to store device reset events..
[15:50] <anpok> which I expect leads to further discussions...
[17:43] <racarr__> I just noticed my desk is not only on a slanted part of my floor
[17:44] <racarr__> but is bowing at the middle
[17:44] <racarr__> and my keyboard is at quite an angle lol
[17:44] <racarr__> Ive had this muscular thing that I thought was from playing piano...and now I think I know the culprit ;)
[18:02] <kdub> hah, all those earthquakes
[18:03] <kdub> any more takers on this: https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/gl-program-creation-factory/+merge/216218 ?
[18:46] <kdub> thanks AlbertA
[19:37] <kgunn> AlbertA: anpok on the topic of occlusion detection & alpha detection
[19:37] <kgunn> we still would allow the occluded app to render
[19:37] <kgunn> but the compositor would just ignore right ?
[19:37] <AlbertA> kgunn: right
[19:38] <AlbertA> kgunn: there's an MP that wants to delete the occlusion logic
[19:38] <AlbertA> kgunn: but I think since anpok has already done the work to switch to opaque surfaces in unity
[19:38] <AlbertA> kgunn: that is still worth keeping
[19:38] <kgunn> AlbertA: i agree with you...that's still so obviously valuable we shouldn't remove it
[19:38] <kgunn> AlbertA: do i need to reject?
[19:39] <racarr__> Eh I was going to reject it later too so
[19:39] <kgunn> racarr__: AlbertA ...i don't mind being the team punching bag :)
[19:40] <AlbertA> kdub: ^
[19:40] <AlbertA> kgunn: I disapproved
[19:40] <kgunn> anpok: while you're here :)....in your mind are we "done" satisfying greyback and dandrader's requirements
[19:40] <kgunn> sorry i fell out of touch on the android input wrapper
[19:41] <anpok> AlbertA: hm I think we could go with really opaque by default, and change osk and popups to enforce transparency
[19:41] <anpok> best in one go..
[19:42] <anpok> kgunn: I pushed a branch for dandrader that is enough to unblock
[19:42] <anpok> but not complete
[19:42] <anpok> i.e. all in all it allows a custom dispatcher and provides a working API to send input events to mir clients through mir::input::Surface
[19:43] <kgunn> anpok: thanks...so i suppose your in polishing mode on that until its MP worthy ?
[19:44] <anpok> but .. still missing is .. proper cleanup when surfaces leave scene.. detection of non responding client
[19:44] <dandrader> anpok, btw, is input_sender.cpp all-new code or did you copy-pasted-and-modified code from andoird::InputDispatcher?
[19:44] <anpok> s
[19:44] <anpok> kgunn: yes
[19:44] <anpok> dandrader: all new
[19:44] <dandrader> anpok, brave man! :)
[19:44] <anpok> dandrader: considered c&p but feared the review
[19:45] <kgunn> heh
[19:45] <kgunn> hehe
[19:46] <anpok> kgunn: so yes... several branches in the queue .. based on https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/custom_input_dispatcher/+merge/215174 .. and hopefully someday the mess I caused is cleaned up
[19:46] <racarr__> I will review that again today....havent caught up on your last few adys of work
[19:47] <anpok> racarr__: no real change on that one. just some smaller findings ..
[19:47] <racarr__> I know I just want to review the whole um
[19:47] <racarr__> sort of stack
[19:48] <racarr__> Right now though I am deep in meditation seeking the true nature of mir::graphics::CursorImage
[19:48] <racarr__> ;)
[19:49] <anpok> AlbertA: kgunn: I would like to push opaque surfaces - but do not see it happen before input singularity
[19:49] <anpok> so if urgent someone else should take over *wink*
[19:49] <kgunn> anpok: agreed...rightly so, i see that as a nice optimization
[19:50] <kgunn> actually...i'd probably ask for some acceptance test love first :)
[19:50] <anpok> oh dear
[19:50] <AlbertA> anpok: I don't think it's urgent :)
[19:52] <racarr__> Sigh...I really dont want to remove cursor_theme from the client API over a debate of the name of the class that supplies cursor images
[19:52] <racarr__> so that we can come add it again later
[19:52] <kgunn> AlbertA: can i say powerd, display state stuff is "done"
[19:52] <kgunn> cleaning up blueprints
[19:52] <kgunn> if you think there is still some churn there we'll leave it open
[19:53] <AlbertA> tvoss: ^
[19:53] <AlbertA> kgunn: I believe tvoss had an re-architecture plan for powerd?
[19:53] <AlbertA> tvoss__:^
[19:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: so I haven't seen myself any activity in powerd so it's up in the air right now...
[19:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: the last discussion I had, it seemed like the MP I have pending in USC would be sufficient
[19:55] <AlbertA> kgunn: but tvoss mentioned yesterday he had some plans for rearchitecture I think I don't know what things will change
[19:55] <racarr__> so I am considering cursor_name->cursor_spec, which can take the form like "rightarrow" "default/rightarrow" "gamecursors/rightarrow"
[19:55] <racarr__> but then that requires a whole description of what a cursor spec is and limits cursor names and
[19:56] <racarr__> all in all seems kind of silly
[19:56] <AlbertA> racarr__: more naming wars?
[19:56] <AlbertA> :)
[19:58] <kgunn> AlbertA: what's holding up landing the mp pending in usc ?.....is it me landing it ?
[19:59] <AlbertA> kgunn: no pending on powerd rework
[19:59] <kgunn> AlbertA: is that seth ?
[19:59] <AlbertA> kgunn: I dunno if anybody got assigned to that work - rsalveti: ^
[20:00] <rsalveti> AlbertA: kgunn: which MR?
[20:01] <AlbertA> rsalveti: the one about removing the display state changes from powerd
[20:01] <AlbertA> rsalveti: and the input parsing
[20:01] <rsalveti> I think tvoss__ will indeed change powerd's architecture, but not for now
[20:01] <rsalveti> AlbertA: have the links in hands?
[20:01] <AlbertA> rsalveti: no, last time I asked you were going to submit the mr so I don't have a link
[20:02] <rsalveti> sure, for powerd I still need to create them :-)
[20:02] <rsalveti> just saying where can I find the other MRs, for usc
[20:02] <AlbertA> the MP for USC is here:
[20:02] <AlbertA> https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/screen-power-state-handling/+merge/213957
[20:02] <rsalveti> I remember I had 2 pending changes to do:
[20:03] <rsalveti> 1 - export the dim value via dbus
[20:03] <rsalveti> 2 - remove the display state changes
[20:03] <AlbertA> rsalveti: right and also no input parsing is needed since the inactivity timers would move to usc
[20:03] <rsalveti> right
[20:04] <kgunn> AlbertA: rsalveti ...so is this something we can do before the next "re-architecture" ?
[20:04] <rsalveti> cool, let me try to get something today still and will ping you back
[20:04] <rsalveti> kgunn: for sure
[20:04] <kgunn> cool
[20:04] <kgunn> (also a question of do we want to...sounds like we do)
[20:04] <rsalveti> yup
[20:08] <racarr__> run -> lunch -> back in a bit
[20:34] <kgunn> kdub: wrt android driver compliance test suite, do you consider our integration tests actually providing that function ?...or is more needed ?
[20:35] <kdub> kgunn, they provide a test that integrates the drivers with mir
[20:36] <kdub> I don't know if we should produce a test suite for one of our dependencies though
[20:36] <kdub> an example... gralloc should be able to open and close cleanly, but it seems strange to make a test that just checks that without any mir code involved
[20:37] <kgunn> mmm
[20:37] <kgunn> camako: ^ interesting task kdub has been pushing for a long time now...
[20:37] <kgunn> e.g. if you're an oem, how do you know you've got all the required bits to run mir
[20:38] <kgunn> kdub: at any rate i'll reword the task in the bp
[20:38] <camako> kgunn: yes since android itself is evolving
[20:38] <kdub> kgunn, okay
[20:39] <kdub> if the integration tests run, there's a pretty good chance the server/client will run okay
[20:40] <kdub> the one coverage gap that I can think of is hitting the driver with our screenshotting code
[20:41] <camako> kgunn, kdub: especially important if oem ever does mir before android :-)
[20:42] <kdub> sure :)
[20:49] <anpok> racarr__: ping when you are back..
[21:03] <racarr__> anpok: Poonng
[21:04] <anpok> playing with InputRegistrar ..
[21:05] <anpok> cleaned some of my mess
[21:05] <anpok> but now that I look at it -> why not introduce something like a SceneObserver?
[21:05] <anpok> that gets surface_added .. surface_removed..
[21:07] <AlbertA> anpok: you mean like racarr__ mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/introduce-scene-observer/+merge/215969
[21:08] <racarr__> Indeed
[21:08] <racarr__> that is getting reproposed today
[21:08] <racarr__> with some modifications
[21:08] <racarr__> tried the observer ownership thing...but I guess its not really the best either
[21:10] <anpok> ah I remember
[21:10] <anpok> I changed InputRegistrar into something similar
[21:11] <anpok> but with an awkward name
[21:13] <anpok> racarr__: will the new version still hold a lock while calling the observers?
[21:25] <racarr__> another way of conversational standstill on cursor images yay
[21:25] <racarr__> sorry got distracted from IRC
[21:26] <racarr__> anpok: Um. Yes so far
[21:26] <racarr__> its possible to copy the observers...its also possible
[21:26] <racarr__> in the case of the dispatcher, well
[21:26] <racarr__> signal in to a dispatcher thread or something
[21:27] <racarr__> err wait
[21:27] <racarr__> why does it matter?
[21:29] <AlbertA> racarr__: last time I tested it one of the tests deadlocked
[21:30] <racarr__> yeah...I fixed that in the rebased off of rework
[21:30] <racarr__> surface-observer
[21:30] <racarr__> version
[21:30] <racarr__> but now have to unrebase
[21:36] <anpok> racarr__: because of possible deadlocks.. yeah copy observers .. or remember changes and apply after the loop..
[21:36] <anpok> or .. something fancy in between..
[21:36] <racarr__> why is InputRegistrar/Dispatcher changing anything
[21:37] <racarr__> maybe it should get const mi::Surface
[21:47] <anpok> just a general thing..
[21:50] <racarr__> anpok: There are lots of solutions...copy the observers is one but I am inclined to think its kind of costly for something that happens so frequently
[21:50] <racarr__> other approaches include, recursive mutex, using try_lock on the mutex (And simply mute recursive observations))
[21:51] <racarr__> remembering changes, something fancy inbetween that remembers changes, or maybe something fancy inbetween that just remembers to emit the notifications
[21:51] <racarr__> ...so I dont know how to pick one
[21:51] <racarr__> but I think for now, input can deal with const mi::Surface mostly? and
[21:52] <racarr__> the compositor jumps the problem with the multiple threads
[21:52] <racarr__> and ther eis a test in place for that
[21:52] <racarr__> so I think we can just delay picking something until we are forced and
[21:52] <racarr__> then we will be able to choose better


[01:23] <kurt_> Can anyone tell me what the mechanism is in maas that copies ssh keys from ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the boot image?
[03:20] <kurt_> Can anyone tell me what the mechanism is in maas that copies ssh keys from ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the boot image?
[03:21] <bigjools> kurt_: yes, 2 ways
[03:21] <bigjools> 1. juju does it for you if you use juju
[03:21] <bigjools> 2. you need to register them in maas against your maas user
[03:21] <bigjools> if you start a node manually use #2
[03:22] <kurt_> is this mostly done by maas, or juju?
[03:22] <kurt_> so, create your key, configure it in the settings, right?
[03:22] <bigjools> kurt_: is what done?
[03:23] <bigjools> if you are using juju you don't need to worry about it
[03:23] <kurt_> I guess I wondering what mechanism/script does a chroot and copies the key in your home directory to the image that gets booted?
[03:24] <bigjools> it gets passed via preseed data
[03:24] <kurt_> because, even though my clocks are all relatively up to date, I am having trouble with one or two servers booting
[03:24] <kurt_> (these are VMs again, remember)
[03:25] <bigjools> watch the console log when the VM boots
[03:25] <bigjools> it should give some info
[03:25] <kurt_> maas.log or the VM's console? (ie. dmesg or syslog/messages)?
[03:25] <bigjools> VM console
[03:27] <kurt_> kk - how does server/VM force a reseed of the pre seeded software? is there some way to force this?
[03:27] <kurt_> presided data rathere
[03:27] <kurt_> preseeded data rather
[03:28] <bigjools> kurt_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1040179/
[03:29] <kurt_> thnx Julian
[03:29] <bigjools> np
[03:29] <kurt_> can you tell me when the next full release is scheduled vs git releases?
[03:30] <bigjools> you mean bzr? we don't use git
[03:30] <kurt_> apt-get update maas :)
[03:30] <bigjools> there's a point release scheduled with 12.04.01
[03:31] <bigjools> and it'll run without cobbler
[03:31] <kurt_> kk - are you guys looking at forcing delete even when node is in state "commissioning" or will that always be left to the shell?
[03:32] <bigjools> that's fixed in trunk already
[03:32] <kurt_> cool, nice to have
[03:32] <kurt_> will shell features be more completely documented? :)
[03:32] <bigjools> unlikely
[03:32] <kurt_> I've been learning what I know via newsgroups
[03:33] <kurt_> or postings
[03:33] <bigjools> they are for developer and debug usage
[03:33] <bigjools> we'll document supported stuff for sure
[03:33] <bigjools> but people are free to document unsupported stuff themselves :)
[03:34] <kurt_> If I can figure it out, I'm happy to ;)
[03:35] <kurt_> Like the section on the non-dhcp set up of maas :)
[03:35] <bigjools> that's not supported yet
[03:35] <kurt_> that will be really nice to have
[03:35] <bigjools> presuming you mean external dhcp
[03:35] <kurt_> I do
[03:36] <bigjools> it's not really something that we're concentrating on because it makes things much harder to use
[03:36] <kurt_> understood - get things working first
[03:36] <kurt_> get it solid
[03:36] <bigjools> well, the dhcp actions are integral to how maas operates
[03:36] <kurt_> yes!
[03:37] <bigjools> we're moving all this out of cobbler and into maas at the moment
[03:37] <bigjools> so when maas does it itself it should be  more obvious how to set it up manually
[03:37] <kurt_> because of the pxe stuff, this very much reminds me of clonezilla too
[03:38] <kurt_> a question about the documented system requirements - are those pretty strict?
[03:38] <kurt_> ie. 16 GB for the master node?
[03:39] <bigjools> I'm not sure, but it largely depends on the size of your cloud
[03:39] <bigjools> I am debugging locally on a 4GB box
[03:39] <kurt_> for testing and demo purposes, I'm just trying to put together a minimal functional installation
[03:39] <bigjools> which has a master and a few VMs running on it.  Admittedly it gets sluggish :)
[03:39] <kurt_> I don't care about performance at this point
[03:40] <kurt_> but what about the requirement of 9 nodes for openstack?
[03:40] <kurt_> is that strict, or just a "suggested" number?
[03:40] <bigjools> I don't know much about that
[03:40] <kurt_> my end goal is to get a functional openstack installation working
[03:40] <bigjools> ok
[03:40] <bigjools> we'd love to help
[03:40] <kurt_> ie. on top of maas
[03:41] <kurt_> and juju
[03:41] <bigjools> when are you normally around on IRC?
[03:41] <kurt_> I'm GMT -8 (PST)
[03:41] <kurt_> I'm on all day mostly
[03:42] <bigjools> ok - there are people who know more intricaces of the server stuff than me who are in -5
[03:42] <kurt_> and I am happy to contribute to the documentation and such
[03:42] <bigjools> cool
[03:42] <kurt_> this is great stuff you guys are doing btw
[03:42] <bigjools> I'm in GMT+10 so barely overlap with anyone
[03:42] <bigjools> glad you like it
[03:43] <bigjools> it's still a little raw but there's some cool stuff coming
[03:45] <kurt_> so you are a core developer, how many others?  Are you employees of canonical?
[03:48] <bigjools> yeah, there's me and 3 others working on the core web app
[03:48] <bigjools> and a few others doing packaging and server stuff
[03:48] <kurt_> are you dedicated, ie. full time on this?
[03:48] <bigjools> yup
[03:49] <kurt_> nice.
[03:49] <kurt_> I take it you are in austrailia or asia?
[03:49] <bigjools> yeah Brisbane
[03:49] <kurt_> excellent
[03:50] <kurt_> I almost went to work for a contract with Telstra a few years back
[03:51] <kurt_> my wife put the brakes on that :(
[03:52] <kurt_> did I see above you guys are trying to get rid of cobbler out of the equation?
[03:52] <bigjools> we are
[03:52] <kurt_> I think the more you can streamline this, the better
[03:52] <bigjools> cobbler is pretty horrible; the security team dislikes it and we don't think it will scale
[03:53] <kurt_> are you beginning to think of how things can scale in much larger deployments?
[03:53] <bigjools> not just beginning, it was a core goal
[03:54] <kurt_> what processes are the best candidates for scaling?
[03:54] <bigjools> not sure I understand
[03:54] <kurt_> scaling = spreading the love
[03:55] <bigjools> what do you mean by processes?
[03:56] <kurt_> for example maas-dhcp, which configures...
[03:56] <kurt_> trying to think of the dhcpd process used
[03:56] <bigjools> there are two :)
[03:56] <bigjools> dnsmasq or isc-dhcpd
[03:57] <kurt_> dnsmasq is what I was thinking of...
[03:57] <bigjools> we're not supporting dnsmasq when cobbler has gone
[03:57] <kurt_> what will take that function over/
[03:57] <kurt_> ?
[03:57] <bigjools> the other one :)
[03:57] <bigjools> it's more proven in large environments
[03:57] <kurt_> will it be capable of perhaps supporting VLANs?
[03:58] <kurt_> multiple large scale VLANs?
[03:58] <bigjools> vlans are orthogonal really
[03:58] <bigjools> network admins are free to set any topology
[03:58] <bigjools> we're just providing a worker on a per-subnet basis
[03:58] <kurt_> what kind of api's are you guys thinkng of?
[03:59] <bigjools> the existing API won't change much
[04:01] <kurt_> ok, I've bothered you enough tonight :)
[04:01] <kurt_> lol
[04:01] <bigjools> heh np
[04:01] <kurt_> thanks for fielding my questions...
[04:01] <bigjools> my pleasure
[04:01] <kurt_> I'll look forward to your releases
[04:01] <kurt_> bfn
[04:01] <bigjools> we look forward to you trying them out
[04:02] <kurt_> I'll be happy to give input
[04:06] <kurt_> what is your suggestion when clock is in sync, and VM gets stuck in "init: cloud-init-nonet main process (307) killed by TERM signal"?
[04:06] <kurt_> this has been killing me with only one of my VMs
[04:07] <kurt_> I've tried recreating the mac address, destroying and recreating the VM numerous times
[04:07] <kurt_> I have to manually delete the name via the maas sheel
[04:07] <kurt_> shell rather
[04:08] <kurt_> but always gets stuck in commissioning with that above problem
[04:11] <bigjools> that's rather odd
[04:11] <bigjools> is there no other clue as to why the SIGTERM happens?
[04:12] <kurt_> since I can't get access to the VM until its booted, I'm limited in what I can see
[04:12] <kurt_> I usually hard power the VM down
[04:13] <kurt_> is there some mapping associated with the naming?
[04:13] <kurt_> ie. my hosts name is maas02
[04:13] <bigjools> smoser or roaksoax, are you guys around? Any idea with the above?
[04:14] <kurt_> so is some key in the db maybe not being deleted and some artifact in the db remains that's being recycled?
[04:14] <kurt_> or some cobbler files that the maas shell doesn't delete that need to be manually deleted?
[04:14] <bigjools> what does cobbler think about the node's power details?
[04:15] <kurt_> can you tell me how to look?
[04:15] <kurt_> sorry…not cobbler saavy
[04:15] <bigjools> well it's turning it on so it's probably ok
[04:15] <kurt_> its not
[04:15] <kurt_> I have to manually boot
[04:15] <bigjools> aha
[04:16] <kurt_> vmware doesn't really support WOL
[04:16] <bigjools> well you can manually set the virsh parameters in cobbler
[04:16] <bigjools> it's not really supported but it'll work
[04:16] <kurt_> virsh = kvm, not vmware, right?
[04:17] <bigjools> vmware should work too
[04:17] <bigjools> not tried it personally
[04:17] <kurt_> is there some rtfm I can do around this?
[04:18] <bigjools> browse to localhost/cobbler_web
[04:18] <kurt_> Not Found
[04:18] <kurt_> The requested URL /cobbler_web was not found on this server.
[04:18] <kurt_> must it be on the local node?
[04:19] <bigjools> no it's on the maas server
[04:20] <bigjools> ummm different port
[04:20]  * bigjools tries to remember
[04:20] <bigjools> 8080?
[04:20] <kurt_> nope :)
[04:20] <kurt_> you have 64943 more tries ;)
[04:20] <bigjools> heh
[04:21] <bigjools> hmmmm it's possible that the web part is not installed
[04:21] <bigjools> you'd have to dink about in the command line
[04:21] <bigjools> there's an exe called "cobbler"
[04:22] <bigjools> it sounds like the cobbler DB is out of whack with maas anyway
[04:22] <kurt_> that sounds logical
[04:22] <kurt_> is there a sync process?
[04:22] <bigjools> the only way I know of fixing it is to delete the nodes on both sides
[04:23] <kurt_> how do I fully delete the node on the cobbler side? I think I know how to on the maas side
[04:23] <bigjools> you can sync manually but it's error prone
[04:23] <bigjools> via the cobbler web or command liner
[04:24] <kurt_> do I need to install the cobbler web application?
[04:24] <kurt_> and why do you guy want to get rid of cobbler?  Its so easy and painless?
[04:24] <kurt_> LOL!
[04:24] <bigjools> heh
[04:25] <kurt_> what are your timelines for getting rid of cobbler?
[04:26] <bigjools> ASAP
[04:26] <bigjools> couple of weeks
[04:27] <kurt_> so, if I begin to install cobbler-common, etc - is that going to overwrite some of the maas related configuration?
[04:27] <bigjools> yes
[04:27] <kurt_> ugh
[04:27] <bigjools> the packages conflict
[04:27] <kurt_> :)
[04:28] <kurt_> looks like I'm not going to be able to install cobbler-web
[04:28] <bigjools> fraid not
[04:29] <bigjools> the way I get around it is to install cobbler on a separate VM
[04:29] <bigjools> and point maas at it
[04:30] <kurt_> otherwise, I need to figure out the command line stuff, right?
[04:31] <kurt_> do any of your comrades have a better understanding of this part?
[04:32] <kurt_> I do see the problematic node is listed 3x:
[04:32] <kurt_> ituser@maas01:~$ sudo cobbler system list
[04:32] <kurt_>    default
[04:32] <kurt_>    node-2e11a386-b5c1-11e1-8715-000c29de71df
[04:32] <kurt_>    node-dc7aa15e-b5ce-11e1-8715-000c29de71df
[04:32] <kurt_>    node-ff6a0be4-b5d5-11e1-8b34-000c29de71df
[04:33] <bigjools> ah nice
[04:33] <bigjools> delete everything and re-add it
[04:34] <kurt_> I think I've tried that…but I'll try again
[04:34] <bigjools> make sure it's deleted in cobbler
[04:34] <kurt_> so, just do cobbler system remove --name=xxx for all, then relist the systems as shown above?
[04:35] <kurt_> or is there some other sync too?
[04:35] <kurt_> or other place in cobbler it needs to be deleted?
[04:35] <bigjools> remove in maas and cobbler
[04:35] <bigjools> make sure you do a cobbler sync
[04:35] <bigjools> as in the command "cobbler sync"
[04:35] <kurt_> ah, ok
[04:46] <kurt_> what is the difference between "cobbler sync" and "maas-import-isos" ?
[04:46] <bigjools> the former tells cobbler to sync its internal database
[04:47] <bigjools> the latter is the script that pulls the images from maas.ubuntu.com
[04:48] <kurt_> they look very similar in their functions
[04:48] <kurt_> i.e.,after images are downloaded
[04:49] <kurt_> maybe maas-import-isos does a cobbler sync as a part of its functions?
[04:50] <bigjools> it does
[04:51] <kurt_> k, I've managed to screw something up now.  web process is stuck.
[04:52] <kurt_> I removed all of those extra cobbler systems, but it somehow had an association with the newer mac adds associated with maas02
[04:52] <kurt_> so when I went to try to remove that via the web interface, things went south
[04:55] <kurt_> ah, like windows.  rebooting fixed everything :)
[04:58] <kurt_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/maasserver/provisioning.py", line 254, in __call__
[04:58] <kurt_>     raise friendly_fault
[04:58] <kurt_> ExternalComponentException: Unable to reach provisioning server.
[04:58] <kurt_> looks like there is artifact in maas db
[04:58] <kurt_> will try to reprovision to see if that fixes...
[05:52] <kurt_> ok, discovered issue… note to self - ensure you have a complete os and system writable disk before proceeding with netboot
[05:56] <bigjools> heh
[05:56] <kurt_> configuration couldn't write to vm's disk
[06:02] <kurt_> so process when creating maas VMs is to build your VM first with complete install, then switch VM to PXE boot.
[06:02] <bigjools> glad it works
[06:03] <kurt_> me too. so far so good
[06:03] <bigjools> I just got powering on with virsh working without cobbler too, so it's all going well today
[06:03] <kurt_> nice
[06:03] <kurt_> is that some that works in the current build?
[06:03] <bigjools> no
[06:03] <kurt_> ok, something to look forward too :)
[06:04] <kurt_> ah - ok, I see - cobbler is a lot of the reason you need to do that...
[06:04] <kurt_> it has the PXE functionality you need
[07:20] <jtv> bigjools: here
[07:20] <bigjools> o/
[07:20] <bigjools> ok
[07:20] <jtv> Doesn't something in there block until at least the files have been gathered?
[07:20] <bigjools> no idea
[07:21] <bigjools> I'll find out shortly
[07:21] <jtv> I hope it's not the code that (AFAICT) decides to deal with umount failure by doing the umount again.
[07:22] <bigjools> grepping for "import" doesn't help ....
[07:23] <jtv> Oh, I'm sure the right answer will be in the output.
[07:23] <jtv> Somewhere.
[07:23]  * bigjools stabs a pin in
[07:24] <kurt_> qq:  can the hostname be changed in the maas interface without repercussion after the hostname has already been created like "node-000c25abcc"?
[07:25] <jtv> kurt_: the code for maas itself doesn't care, but something else that maas relies on might.
[07:25] <jtv> Not very helpful, I know.
[07:25] <kurt_> :)
[07:26] <kurt_> ok, best to leave it alone
[07:26] <jtv> Specifically, if it's okay with juju and with cobbler, it should be okay.
[07:27] <jtv> MAAS in its current incarnation (which still uses cobbler) propagates such changes to cobbler immediately.  But we're on the cusp of radical change.
[07:27] <kurt_> that's a wee bit of a frustrating part of that interface is having to maintain my own mac adds to human friendly name mapping, esp where VMs are concerned
[07:29] <jtv> You can leave the hostname blank.
[07:29] <jtv> I'd assign it only in cases where the hostname has a special meaning to what you're doing.
[07:30] <kurt_> and yes, je was talking about the whole rework of the cobbler stuff
[07:30] <kurt_> that's great work
[07:30] <jtv> Where “easy work” would be preferred, of course.  :)
[07:31] <kurt_> go for the low hanging fruit of course...
[07:32] <jtv> bigjools: looks to me like cobbler's import_tree rsyncs the whole given directory into its own storage.
[07:32] <bigjools> jtv: yeah just looking at it
[07:33] <jtv> Not too surprising, really, given how tiny the two files we want are compared to the whole image we download
[07:33] <bigjools> nice of it to say "importing from a network location" regardless
[07:35] <bigjools> bare excepts.... yegads
[07:36] <jtv> More detail in modules/manage_import_debian_ubuntu.py — with just a hint of suspicion that we've got several layers of scripts and code duplicating similar support functionality.
[07:36] <bigjools> yup
[07:38] <jtv> This is going to drive me to drink.
[07:38] <bigjools> at least you'll be sober in the morning
[07:38] <bigjools> the code will still be shit
[07:39] <kurt_> ok, last question of the night…then off to bed...
[07:39] <kurt_> trying to delete a node from maas, seeing "Unable to reach provisioning server."
[07:39] <kurt_> restarted pserv
[07:39] <kurt_> no joy
[07:39] <kurt_> any ideas?
[07:39] <bigjools> what's in the pserv log?
[07:40] <kurt_> here's little excerpt from maas.log, will get pserv
[07:40]  * jtv braves the 30—40kg dog in a desperate dash to the bathroom
[07:40] <kurt_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/maasserver/provisioning.py", line 254, in __call__
[07:40] <kurt_>     raise friendly_fault
[07:40] <kurt_> ExternalComponentException: Unable to reach provisioning server.
[07:41] <kurt_> not really much..
[07:41] <kurt_> 2012-06-14 00:38:35-0700 [QueryProtocol,client] <IP_ADDRESS> - - [14/Jun/2012:07:38:35 +0000] "POST /api HTTP/1.1" 200 1265 "-" "xmlrpclib.py/1.0.1 (by www.pythonware.com)"
[07:41] <kurt_> 2012-06-14 00:38:35-0700 [QueryProtocol,client] <IP_ADDRESS> - - [14/Jun/2012:07:38:35 +0000] "POST /api HTTP/1.1" 200 1265 "-" "xmlrpclib.py/1.0.1 (by www.pythonware.com)"
[07:41] <kurt_> 2012-06-14 00:38:35-0700 [QueryProtocol,client] Stopping factory <twisted.web.xmlrpc._QueryFactory instance at 0x2ad9320>
[07:41] <kurt_> 2012-06-14 00:38:35-0700 [QueryProtocol,client] Stopping factory <twisted.web.xmlrpc._QueryFactory instance at 0x2ad9320>
[07:42] <kurt_> ok, completely knackered
[07:42] <kurt_> see you guys tomorrow
[07:42] <jtv> kurt_: that's the maas log
[07:42] <bigjools> not much to go on
[07:43] <jtv> as distinct from the pserv log
[07:43] <kurt_> last bit is pserv.log
[07:43] <kurt_> guess I need to turn up debug
[07:43] <jtv> Sounds as if the maasserver really can't reach the pserver then
[07:43] <jtv> Try a ps -ef | grep pserv?
[07:44] <jtv> See if it's really running or not
[07:44] <kurt_> ituser@maas01:~$ ps -ef | grep pserv
[07:44] <kurt_> maas     15396     1  0 00:35 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/twistd -n --uid=maas --gid=maas --pidfile=/run/maas-pserv.pid --logfile=/dev/null maas-pserv --config-file=/etc/maas/pserv.yaml
[07:44] <jtv> Love that --logfile option
[07:45] <kurt_> interesting...
[07:45] <kurt_> default - is that set in pserv.yaml?
[07:45] <jtv> No idea tbh
[07:45] <bigjools> jtv: so import looking for repos, kickstarts and bootloaders
[07:45] <kurt_> ok, good night
[07:45] <jtv> nn kurt_
[07:45] <bigjools> nn
[07:45] <kurt_> can't focus any more
[07:46] <jtv> then don't overdo it :)
[07:46] <kurt_> thnx guys
[07:48] <bigjools> jtv: I think we need more help from server guys
[07:48] <bigjools> and get their take on what needs doing
[07:48] <jtv> Can't disagree with you.
[07:49] <bigjools> yay, late night for me
[07:50] <jtv> So sorry about that.  :(  I've been trying to throw extra hours at this, but haven't had the energy lately.
[07:51] <jtv> It does look as if the core of the Cobbler import code looks for initrds and kernels.
[07:52] <jtv> But it's all much more OS-agnostic, of course.
[07:53] <bigjools> yeah
[07:53] <bigjools> but there's then these layers of bash
[07:55] <jtv> Suddenly the name makes sense to me.
[07:55] <jtv> bigjools: I've updated the Questions section of the google doc.
[07:56] <bigjools> ok
[07:59] <jtv> bigjools: we'll also want to deal with updates that happen concurrently to net-boots.
[07:59] <jtv> In other words, we can't just replace an initrd/kernel pair while nodes are using it.
[08:00] <bigjools> depends if tftp keeps a file handle open? :)
[08:00] <jtv> So we may need to number versions.  The server guys suggested something like this, but I cut it short since it wasn't part of the immediate problem.
[08:00] <jtv> Bear in mind that it's stateless, UDP.
[08:01] <jtv> There's no such thing as an ongoing session or even an ongoing download.  A request for a chunk of file comes in and gets serviced, and total amnesia follows.
[08:01] <jtv> At least conceptually — optimization may be a different issue.
[08:04] <bigjools> I've no idea how it works internally
[08:04] <bigjools> anyway
[08:05] <bigjools> dinner, back later
[08:05] <jtv> bon appétit
[08:13] <jtv> hi there mrevell
[08:13] <mrevell> Hello jtv
[13:32] <cheez0r> hey maas gurus, is there a command line way of adding/deleting nodes from a maas?
[13:33] <cheez0r> the command 'maas' on the command line gives me a number of options but not many seem specific to maas
[13:35] <rvba> cheez0r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1040776/
[13:36] <cheez0r> right, that does the delete
[13:37] <rvba> To create a node manually: Node(hostname='sss', status=3)  note that you will need to know the internals a bit to provide the right parameters to the node creation method.
[13:37] <rvba> node = Node(...)
[13:37] <rvba> node.save()
[13:39] <cheez0r> can I do node = Node.objects.get(hostname='myhostname')
[13:39] <cheez0r> node.show()
[13:39] <cheez0r> ?
[13:39] <cheez0r> node.print()?
[13:39] <cheez0r> trying to figure out how to get an existing node out to use as template
[13:41] <rvba> node.__dict__
[13:41] <cheez0r> danke
[13:42] <rvba> I don't know your constraints but note that you would probably be better off using the API.
[13:43] <cheez0r> just trying to come up with a way to create a file that has mac,arch,hostname and can reproduce what I'm doing in the web gui
[13:43] <cheez0r> kind of slow to add eleven nodes via the GUI when I'm adding/removing them a lot
[13:44] <cheez0r> plus for auto-commissioning of a maas cluster that'd be useful
[13:46] <cheez0r> if I was more of a programmer Id just write a command-line front end to the API, but I'm not much of one :p
[13:47] <rvba> That's something that's on our TODO list.
[13:47] <cheez0r> I'm sure, now that I think about it.
[13:57] <rvba> roaksoax: The fix to support fetching YUI's file from the package has landed.  Please ping me if you update YUI's packaging as Francis suggested yesterday.  I'll need to change one line in contrib/maas_local_settings_sample.py if you change the place where the files are located.
[13:58] <rvba> roaksoax: you'll see a new config option in contrib/maas_local_settings_sample.py: YUI_LOCATION.
[13:58] <roaksoax> rvba: awesome! thanks. I'm emailing the java script team in Debian to talk about that
[13:58] <rvba> roaksoax: cool.
[13:59] <roaksoax> rvba: I cannot follow Francis suggestion libjs-yui35 because that'd mean introducing a new source and I'm not sure whether we wanna do that or not yet
[13:59] <roaksoax> ^^
[13:59] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: was the directory suggested 'yui/<version>/build/*.js'?
[14:09] <rvba> roaksoax: it's not really suggested, but that's what the JS side requests by default.
[14:10] <roaksoax> rvba: the JS side in *maas*? or generally?
[14:11] <rvba> roaksoax: sorry for being vague, the JS side in YUi.  YUI3 has this mechanism where you load a small initial file and then this tiny bit of code requests the needed additional modules all in one request.
[14:13] <rvba> roaksoax: does that make sense?
[14:15] <roaksoax> rvba: kindof, is there any documentation that you could point me at?
[14:16] <rvba> roaksoax: http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/yui/loader.html
[14:17] <rvba> roaksoax: you'll see that the default 'root' option is '{version}/build'. Because the idea is to be able to have multiple versions of YUI3.
[14:28] <roaksoax> rvba: right, but even so, we can only have 1 version of YUI 3.5.X
[14:28] <roaksoax> ah nevermind :)
[14:30] <roaksoax> rvba: does this make sense to you? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1040864/
[14:31] <rvba> Looking.
[14:34] <rvba> roaksoax: Look good.  One remark: I'd drop the part about having 'build' in the path.  I think this is the default because of the way the code is structured in the yui tarball (src/ docs/ build/ etc.).  But when it comes to having that packaged, it really makes sense to have only the files in build/ and drop everything else.  The main question is the about having the version in the path and the package name.
[14:36] <roaksoax> rvba: right, ah I thgouht you wanted everything to be installed under ./build/
[14:37] <rvba> No, YUI 'likes' it by default.  but I think it's just a convenience.  In a package I think it makes sense to drop that.
[14:37] <roaksoax> rvba: ok
[14:39] <roaksoax> rvba: ok cool. email sent!
[14:53] <roaksoax> paultag: could you pelase repeat this for rvba to give his opinion
[14:53] <roaksoax> rvba: ^^
[14:54] <paultag> I was wondering how you suggested dealing with node.js policy, since it's a slightly different subset of javascript policy it's self - adding a version path will cause some pretty gnarly behavior (as much as I would kill to have scripted languages major-versioned)
[14:55] <paultag> so I was wondering if you had an idea for how to keep javascript and node.js normalized, or if this was just to solve the problem at hand
[14:55] <paultag> also, using update-alternatives for a "current" version of the lib would be nice to add, IMHO anyway
[14:56] <paultag> (also wrt package naming, since node.js folk have some jacked up version schemes)
[14:56] <roaksoax> so, TBH i'm not a JS expert, but was just given the task to upgrade the mpackages, and obviously by doing so, some concerns arised
[14:56] <paultag> major version doens't always mean API stability :(
[14:56] <paultag> roaksoax: of course, I totally ACK that there is a problem
[14:56] <paultag> not that I do much javascript work, I was just here, saw @ubuntu and figured I'd see what you thought
[14:56] <paultag> I'm just a casual member of that team
[14:57] <paultag> javascript policy was written by dapal on the wiki, and it's very short -- getting it changed will not be so much of an issue, there are two active folks on that team ATM
[14:57] <roaksoax> paultag: so I do not have an idea of keeping js and node.js normalized but would definitely make sense doing so, as well as using update-alternatives
[14:58] <paultag> OK, I was just wondering :)
[14:58] <paultag> node.js isn't in testing, so it's not so much an issue
[14:58] <paultag> (whereas plain js libs are)
[15:00] <roaksoax> right.
[15:00] <roaksoax> let's see what rvba things :)
[15:00] <roaksoax> rvba: ^^
[15:01] <paultag> roaksoax: so, I'm guessing Jonas Smedegaard will be the first to reply
[15:01] <paultag> anyway, just wanted to say hi and ask. Thanks, guys.
[15:02] <roaksoax> looking forward to it
[15:02] <roaksoax> paultag: thanks to you too though! as concerns like yours also made be hold on the upgrade and/or make changes that differ from Debian
[15:03]  * rvba reads scrollback.
[15:03] <paultag> roaksoax: reducing the delta is good for everyone :)
[15:03] <roaksoax> indeed
[15:06] <rvba> roaksoax: I confess I don't know anything about node.js but clearly it would make sense to treat YUI as a library and use the major version in the package.
[15:08] <paultag> rvba: my main point is -- not all js libs treat the major-version as api stability (as well as the same policy covering both, for the most part)
[15:08] <paultag> rvba: I agree that's a good way of doing it, though.
[15:10] <paultag> (node.js would have to be treated as a  lib if it is (which is a good thing(tm)) - but node folks are really really (REALLY) bad about API stability)
[15:10] <rvba> paultag: you're right so I guess it would be good to have two policies then.
[15:10] <paultag> some of them don't even include license information, the situation is really gnarly.
[15:10] <paultag> rvba: so that might be good to include in the proposal :)
[15:11] <rvba> Right.
[15:11] <paultag> (propose a branch) - as well as perhaps considering a update-alternatives pointer to the current version or something.
[15:12] <paultag> again, I'm not a javascript authority. Just a lurking member who is also @ubuntu, and took the time to make sure I gave it some thought and a friendly hi
[15:13] <rvba> And I'm definitely not a packaging authority. But I agree that the current policy seems to be very… minimal, to say the least. Your idea sounds good to me.  What do you think roaksoax.
[15:13] <rvba> ?
[15:13] <paultag> (so, we're agreed, the current state sucks ;) )
[15:14] <paultag> rvba: the "policy" was written by dapal to keep sanity -- if you check out his DDPO, you'll understand why it's so small
[15:14] <paultag> 163 maintained packages :)
[15:14] <paultag> a lot are node / js
[15:14] <rvba> I see.
[15:15] <roaksoax> well i guess he definitely has the last word on this then
[15:15] <roaksoax> as he's the one who maintains all of those packages
[15:15] <paultag> roaksoax: oh, no. The other one (Jonas) maintains 308
[15:15] <roaksoax> but yes, I think a node.js policy would be a good idea
[15:16] <paultag> also a few node packages (and nodejs it's self)
[15:23] <roaksoax> oh wow
[15:23] <roaksoax> those are quite a few packages
[15:25] <paultag> alright, well, I've said my piece
[15:25] <paultag> thanks, y'all.
[15:26] <rvba> Thanks paultag!
[15:26] <paultag> rvba: thank *you* for caring about this stuff :)
[15:26] <paultag> (and wanting to upstream the delta)
[15:26]  * paultag waves
[15:26] <cheez0r> thank both of you ;)
[16:18] <roaksoax> rvba: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-javascript-devel/2012-June/003709.html
[16:23] <rvba> roaksoax: we're only interested in YUI packaging right now.  And 2.8.2 is largely incompatible with 3.5.
[18:45] <kurt_> how do I map the cobbler system list names to the maas system list names?
[19:35] <cheez0r> kurt_: in cobbler system dumpvars --name "NAME" there will be a dnsname field.
[19:35] <cheez0r> you can correlate them using that field.
[19:35] <cheez0r> dnsname == maas name.
[19:35] <kurt_> thank you
[19:35] <cheez0r> np
[19:36] <cheez0r> it is kind of odd that nodename in cobbler is different than nodename in maas.
[19:36] <cheez0r> but cobbler is being phased out of maas so it's a moot point.
[19:36] <kurt_> I'm glad cobbler will be gone soon
[19:36] <cheez0r> roaksoax: what is the pxe system that's replacing cobbler in maas?
[19:36] <kurt_> ;)
[19:37] <roaksoax> cheez0r: one developed in house
[19:38] <cheez0r> cool.
[19:38] <cheez0r> does it have a name, or will it just be maas-pxe?
[19:45] <Daviey> no name, just a core part of maas
[19:45] <cheez0r> cool
[19:53] <roaksoax> indeed
[21:06] <czajkowski> Daviey: ping
[23:20] <czajkowski> bigjools: thank you
[23:20] <bigjools> czajkowski: nae worries
[23:21] <bigjools> czajkowski: those two I answered a FAQs BTW
[23:21] <bigjools> are*
[23:22] <czajkowski> bigjools: cool once I figure out how to create a FAQ on AU I'll do that tomorrow it was complaingin I didnt add a body to the text
[23:23] <bigjools> heh
[23:23] <bigjools> czajkowski: I added FAQs to LP as well
[23:24] <czajkowski> ah yes but I've to add them to AU now
[23:25] <kurt_> I'm playing around a bit with trying to provision via kvm controlled VM, and it appears the bridged connection is slow in reaching the maas server.  Only after the VM boots to hard disk does it get a dhcp address from the maas server.  Has this been observed?
[23:26] <kurt_> its two bridged connections…so maybe that matters?
[23:26] <bigjools> I don't get that
[23:26] <bigjools> have a look at the vdenv/ dir in the source tree, it sets a load of VMs up
[23:26] <kurt_> maas server runs on VMWARE <--> kvm server with VM
[23:27] <kurt_> both on same network, in my case 172.16.100.x
[23:28] <kurt_> my kvm VM boots, looks for the dhcp server, doesn't find it, so boots to HD, then once it comes up on HD it finds the DHCP server and gets an IP address!
[23:28] <kurt_> ie. tries to do a PXE boot is what I mean
[23:29] <bigjools> I am not pxe booting on VMs
[23:29] <kurt_> eh?
[23:30] <kurt_> the vmware vms pxe boot
[23:30] <bigjools> s/not// sorry
[23:30] <kurt_> ?
[23:30] <bigjools> I am pxe booting on VMs
[23:30] <czajkowski> bigjools: for future reference do you want to be mailed or should I spread it around on the red team?
[23:31] <kurt_> ok, back to trying to figure it out
[23:31] <bigjools> czajkowski: send to the list
[23:31] <bigjools> czajkowski: in a pleading tone :)
[23:31] <czajkowski> list?
[23:31] <bigjools> maas-devel
[23:31] <czajkowski> maas devl?
[23:31] <czajkowski> grand will do
[23:31] <bigjools> ta
[23:32] <czajkowski> not sure it'll be a pleading tone mind you
[23:32] <czajkowski> ;)
[23:32] <bigjools> domineering? :)
[23:33] <czajkowski> forceful, or they wont get answered and it'll fall back to one person again :)
[23:33] <czajkowski> anways I should in fact log off and attempt sleep
[23:34] <bigjools> yes, you should indeed
[23:37] <kurt_> yeah I get "connection timed out" from kvm VM each time - can you tell me what network driver you are using?  I was using virtio
[23:40] <bigjools> ummm
[23:40] <kurt_> sent you screenshot
[23:40] <kurt_> or tried to anyways
[23:40] <bigjools> just doing a virsh net-start here
[23:40] <bigjools> seriously, look in the vdenv tree in the source
[23:41] <kurt_> sorry.  I don't know what you mean.
[23:45] <bigjools> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/trunk/files/head:/vdenv/


[07:23] <Lathiat> hrm my login is getting stuck on initializing system services
[07:23] <Lathiat> suck
[07:25] <Lathiat> hrm new user works, annoying
[07:27] <Lathiat> and new home dir doesnt :\ that really is annoying
[11:20] <pef> hello
[11:21] <OculusAquilae> hi pef
[01:55] <verwilst> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 <--- pretty!!
[01:55] <verwilst> btw, dapper should use moodin' ;)
[01:56] <Tm_T> btw dapper should use whatever as default, I never use them anyway ;)
[04:21] <Lathiat> rm si something needed for the klaptop stuff to work?
[04:21] <Lathiat> things liek canging scaling profiles dont seem to work
[04:21] <Lathiat> (be cool to have it integrated in dapper, thought i'd fiddle)
[05:17] <seaLne> Riddell: the wiki link on http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php should be .com?
[09:58] <Riddell> seaLne: thanks, fixed
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking at your revu of kftpgrabber...
[11:52] <Tonio_> I don't understand why no ? is the package at http://www.whoiam55.at.preempted.net/public/jpatrick/ actually submitted somewhere else than revu ?
[11:54] <Tonio_> or maybe I have to contact him to merge our work ?


[04:11] <charles_> transmission 1.05 released: http://download.m0k.org/transmission/files/transmission-1.05.tar.bz2
[04:29] <charles_> most of the 1.05 tickets were gtk+ related: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/report/23


[10:38] <didrocks> JohnLea: hey, on the user test results from the previous unity, I got those feedbacks on unity:
[10:38] <didrocks> people complained on wm/menu_basic that right clicking in the title bar works and bring a menu, but not when the application is maximized (as the title bar is in the panel). If we don't want to change that design-wise, we need to rephrase the test.
[10:52] <JohnLea> didrocks; the ultimate plan is to remove this menu, but we need some new features to land first.  Was going to remove the menu in 11.10 but this would have been premature.
[10:54] <didrocks> JohnLea: ok, thanks for the summary :)
[12:45] <mhall119> didrocks: JohnLea: FYI, we're trying to move all the Unity conversations to #ubuntu-unity
[12:46] <didrocks> mhall119: yeah, I just talk to him here as he's not on #ubuntu-unity!
[15:06] <smoser> greyback, just commented on bug. it most certainly seems to be "fixed" if i don't run indicator-multiload
[15:14] <didrocks> smoser: ok, so either indicator-multiload issue or on the libappindicator level
[15:14] <didrocks> tedg: do you remember about this?  ^ memleak when an indicator changes a lot of the image to show
[15:15] <tedg> didrocks, Uhm, perhaps.  There was a ref_sink() one a while back.
[15:16] <didrocks> tedg: do you think the issue is in the appindicator part then?
[15:16] <didrocks> (libappindicator, isn't it?)
[15:17] <tedg> didrocks, Uhm, it could be.  I mean, I have no reason to say it isn't, but I also don't really have any proof to say it is :-)
[15:17] <tedg> didrocks, Where is the leak showing up?
[15:17] <didrocks> tedg: smoser got high mem leak using indicator-multiload (I think it's in the unity-panel-service)
[15:17] <didrocks> smoser: ?
[15:18] <didrocks> tedg: cjwatson was complaining about the same thing not that long ago
[15:18] <didrocks> with indicator-multiload as well
[15:18] <greyback> smoser: great, thank you
[15:18] <smoser> unity-2d-panel is the program that shows the memory usage
[15:19] <smoser> and it gets *really* fat over time. i'm sure that valgrind woudl show the leak pretty quickly.
[15:19] <smoser> it leaks fast
[15:19] <smoser> ie, hundreds of MB in 5 days or something
[15:19] <didrocks> tedg: can be 2 issues then, we had the same in 3d
[15:19] <tedg> Ah, so then it's not libappindicator, that's in the program's memory space.
[15:19] <didrocks> smoser: ^
[15:19] <didrocks> yeah
[15:19] <tedg> It would have to be in indicator-application.
[15:20] <tedg> smoser, Run valgrind please?  :-)
[15:20] <smoser> tedg, i do have other things to do
[15:20] <smoser> :)
[15:20]  * tedg is not going to install multiload on principle
[15:20] <seb128> didrocks, is that specific to precise?
[15:20] <didrocks> seb128: no, it's not, cjwatson had that on oneiric
[15:20] <didrocks> but some part was fixed
[15:20] <didrocks> hence, I'm wondering if it's now -2d only or still due to service
[15:21] <seb128> ok, I though it was fixed in oneiric, I wondered if that regressed in unity in precise
[15:21] <didrocks> some part, IIRC, the leak was never fully fixed
[15:21] <didrocks> so I guess that maybe greyback is leaking as well :)
[15:22] <greyback> smoser: yes I read that in your report, it's on the todo list:)


[00:14] <muesli> evening guys. this knetworkmanager stuff is still confusing as hell
[00:14] <muesli> i created a new connection besides the automatic one, called LAN... featuring a static ip
[00:14] <muesli> how can i make it the default connection tho?
[00:15] <muesli> whenever i reboot networkmanager returns to using the automatic / default connection
[01:28] <amstan> hey guys, my krusader stopped working
[01:29] <amstan> it segfaults at startup: http://pastebin.com/f5L4yjXN
[01:29] <amstan> it worked today just a few hours ago
[01:29] <amstan> i reinstalled it form the repo, same problem
[01:29] <amstan> could this be because of some updates from other parts in kde?
[01:42] <cato37> ReHello channel. i installed kubuntu with an cd iso (10.04) burned onto a dvd. its a matsushita (matshita) uj-850S. the dvd will read and write, but the cd will not read or write. it will not show up at all in kubuntu, but it will spin and make noises as though it can read it. i just put in the same iso burned onto a cd (done on another comp), and it reads it, so it is in the settings somewhere. does anyone know how to change the settings so
[01:42] <cato37>  that kubuntu will read the cd's?
[01:43] <FloodBotK2> cato37: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:43] <cato37> the flood blocker came on. did anyone hear my request?
[01:43] <cato37> or do i have to type it into little tiny sentences?
[01:44] <maco> you were not given +q
[01:45] <cato37> hello maco. what is a +q?
[01:45] <maco> quiet
[01:45] <maco> there was no flood block
[01:45] <cato37> keen. it must have just been a warning. :)
[01:46] <maco> yep
[01:46] <cato37> the only cd that my laptop will read is the kubuntu install cd. :(
[02:49] <cato37> anyone know how to get the cd to play in kubuntu? install problems
[03:29] <pencil> Where do you config wireless card?  knetworkmanager does nothing
[03:29] <pencil> Either off the menu or entered in konsole.. knetworkmanager just returns and does nothing
[04:06] <cato37> i had to use wicd because there was a glitch in knetwork manager that greyed out all of the controls. i then apt-got the ubuntu network manager.
[04:06] <cato37> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[04:06] <cato37> pencil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[04:11] <cato37> pencil: sorry wrong url. it is the ubuntu help page that shows how to install the nm-applet (network manager) for ubuntu.
[04:16] <pencil> cato37: can't install anything until I have networking..
[04:27] <cato37> pencil: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111291.msg234284#msg234284
[04:27] <cato37> i hope that helps. the café here is closing. oh, you cant get on thenet.
[04:28] <cato37> in konsole try this in sudo
[04:28] <cato37> service network-manager stop
[04:28] <cato37> rm /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[04:28] <cato37> service network-manager start
[04:31] <harmandeep> hi guys , need help with grub chainloading
[04:31] <harmandeep> anyone free ?
[04:31] <dan_> oh dear.
[04:32] <dan_> what verison of grub harm?
[04:35] <harmandeep> Guys , can we chainload Grub from Grub2
[04:35] <harmandeep> Grub2 is on /dev/sda and Grub is on /dev/sda9
[04:36] <harmandeep> on /dev/sda9 --- Fedora is installaed ( with bootloader )
[04:36] <harmandeep> i wanna chainload to Grub
[05:11] <sircaptain> i just installed kubuntu and when i scan for wireless connections, it doesn't pick mine up.  i'm sitting right next to it and it is working because i have other computers connected to the same router using wireless.  any ideas?
[06:15] <newboon2age_> harmandeep: grub2 chainloader syntax shown on post #2 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/legacy-grub-and-grub2-wars-crash-my-ferrari-and-kubuntu-9-10-a-761234/
[07:11] <sil3nt|warri0r> hi frnds
[07:12] <sil3nt|warri0r> having problem with distribution upgrade, using 9.10 karmic
[07:12] <sil3nt|warri0r> i cant see the status bar icon or msg which will say "lucid upgrade available
[07:13] <sil3nt|warri0r> any help :(
[07:39] <sobczyk> are there any good recommended video diting software for kde (or linux)? I've found kdenlive but wondering if there is anything better
[07:43] <sil3nt|warri0r> avidmux
[07:43] <sil3nt|warri0r> openshot
[07:44] <sil3nt|warri0r> ^avidemux
[07:46] <sobczyk> I use avidemux, though I cant merge videos with it
[08:20] <trung> alo
[08:34] <ka__> Hi
[08:43] <ka__> I have experienced a regualer crash of X every 24 hours the last four days. Anyone have a clue what I should do? Running Kubuntu 32bit 10.04, nvidia prop drivers, Wondering If I should reinstall 9.10 which didn't experience thes problems. But maybe it is kernel related and so I cant escape it...
[09:01] <nate__> hello, i am having a wireless internet problem
[09:04] <nate__> can anyone help with a wireless connection issue?
[10:17] <slow-motion> hi
[10:22] <muesli> a shame, i can't order any more kubuntu cds :-(
[10:24] <Mamarok_> muesli: ask Riddell
[10:25] <muesli> Riddell: ask :-)
[10:25] <muesli> Riddell: i'm putting them to good use, promised.
[10:30] <muesli> Riddell_: so, essentially i'm asking to become a (k)ubuntu member i guess ;-)
[10:30] <muesli> i'm not sure if i meet the criteria, but you tell me
[10:37] <Riddell> muesli: e-mail, I'm going on the day trip now
[11:54] <simulacrum> muesli: http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/kubuntu
[12:37] <otswim> i have no sound, which service can i restart instead of restarting my whole kde?
[12:43] <hrw> hi
[13:44] <otswin> hello, why do i get "Password for 'default' GNOME keyring" on kubuntu every time i try to use svn?
[13:47] <Torch> otswin: add the following line to your ~/.subversion/config file
[13:47] <Torch> password-stores =
[13:47] <Torch> (yes, there is NOTHING after the =)
[13:49] <otswin> oh, nice :)
[13:49] <otswin> why did this do?
[13:51] <muesli> otswin: or rather, enter kwallet
[13:51] <muesli> if you want to use that instead of the gnome keyring
[13:51] <otswin> what*
[13:51] <otswin> no it's ok i don't know to store the passwords
[13:59] <Ites> I don't know how to use wine to install something using an ISO file, can someone help me please?
[13:59] <otswin> Ites: ISO is an image of a CD/DVD, is there CD/DVD for windows?
[14:00] <otswin> is the*
[14:00] <Ites> it's for football manager. i'm sure it runs with wine
[14:00] <Ites> but it's an iso, to install from wine i need to give to path to the .exe file
[14:01] <otswin> it's the image of a CD so i guess you need to mount it first
[14:04] <Ites> how do you do that ?
[14:12] <Torch> Ites: sudo mount -o loop <isofile> <mount-point>
[14:13] <Ites> i did that Torch, then cd /mnt/disk and ls -l but then i get response 0
[14:13] <Ites> after that i tried wine setup.exe
[14:13] <Ites> but it did nothing
[14:15] <Ites> or shouldn't i use /mnt/disk as mount point ?
[14:15] <Torch> Ites: it does not matter, the mount point just has to exist.
[14:15] <Ites> ?
[14:16] <Ites> I don't know if that excists..
[14:18] <Ites> i just want that iso mounted so i can install the setup.exe using wine, but no idea where to moiunt it
[14:32] <Torch> Ites: it does not matter, the mount point just has to exist.
[14:33] <Ites> well i did mkdir -p /mnt/disk
[14:40] <cozziemoto> hey guys is there a way  to prevent this   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/panel.png
[14:40] <cozziemoto> the icons go under cairo dock
[14:41] <cozziemoto> alas I cannot get previews on the Folder view Desktop
[14:53] <Guest11606> hi
[14:53] <Guest11606> I upgraded to lucid only yesterday
[14:53] <Guest11606> And since then I cannot change users anymore
[14:54] <Guest11606> when logged in as user a, I click on k-menu - change user
[14:54] <Guest11606> and what I get is the screensaver kicks in telling session is blocked and asking for current user's password.
[14:55] <Guest11606> when entered I'm still in that user's (user a's) session and cannot get to a new session for user B
[14:55] <Guest11606> anybody knows how to solve this?
[15:08] <saftpackl> hey all
[15:08] <saftpackl> do you also have problems with flash videos lately?
[15:09] <saftpackl> if I play embedded online videos they often just end in the middle also if they are way longer
[15:13] <mtedder> How can I change my screen resolution in kubuntu?
[15:13] <mtedder> It looks odly low.. for the fancy new nvidia card I have.
[15:14] <mtedder> I installed the nvidia drivers..
[15:17] <BluesKaj> mtedder, open the kmenu/ system settings/hardware drivers
[15:17] <Guest11606> oh yes, I cannot watch youtbue videos after upgrade  anymore, screen stays blank
[15:18] <mtedder> hardware drivers are not there...
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Guest11606, install flashplugin-nonfree
[15:19] <BluesKaj> mtedder, which nvidia card ?
[15:19] <mtedder> BluesKaj: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 06fd (rev a1)
[15:20] <mtedder> That's a Quadro something or other..
[15:21] <BluesKaj> mtedder, that doesn't tell us much , try sudo lshw -C video
[15:21] <mtedder> I just installed the nvidia-common nvidia-current nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-settings packages
[15:21] <mtedder> before that, I couldn't get video at all.. The neavou driver just goes black.. doesn't work at all for this vidia card
[15:22] <mtedder> I chroot'd in from a gentoo livecd to get a working video driver installed
[15:22] <BluesKaj> mtedder, try the command I posted pls
[15:24] <mtedder> BluesKaj: ok.. that resulted like this: http://pastebin.com/j2S2Jt4t
[15:25] <mtedder> This Quassel is a nice irc client..
[15:25] <mtedder> Also.. my video card is dual monitor.. only one monitor is currently working
[15:26] <vadi01> just installed and updated kubuntu. kde is still 4.4.2!!!!
[15:26] <vadi01> how do i get 4.4.4 stable?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> mtedder, well, this procedure works most of the time , it should work for you, http://pastebin.com/BA8zhk8B
[15:30] <vadi01> hello???
[15:32] <mtedder> vadi01: Did you try googling it?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> vadi01, your question is best asked in #kde
[15:33] <mtedder> BluesKaj: perhaps running nvidia-xconfig (the part I didn't do already) will fix it for me..
[15:33] <BluesKaj> mtedder, most ppl can google but we try to help first
[15:33] <BluesKaj> mtedder, yeah it might
[15:33] <jimmy51_> !info lx-viewer
[15:33] <jimmy51_> !lx-viewer
[15:33] <jimmy51_> what do kubuntu users use to view .dwg files?
[15:33] <mtedder> BluesKaj: I just wanted to give him some kind of response.. I know what it feels like to have a problem and nobody responds.
[15:34] <vadi01> BluesKaj: in kubuntu how can i ask kde???
[15:36] <vadi01> mtedder: dude that is not the answer to my problem :)
[15:40] <BluesKaj> vadi01 type, /join #kde
[15:42] <vadi01> BluesKaj: that i know. but kde is not responsible for such issues
[15:44] <BluesKaj> vadi01,you asked: " how do i get 4.4.4 stable?" , I'm sure they can tell you
[15:47] <vadi01> BluesKaj: ok let me rephrase: how do i get updates in kubuntu to upgrade to kde 4.4.4 from kubuntu repos?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> vadi01_,which kubuntu release are you running
[16:06] <BluesKaj> vadi01_, http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.4.php
[16:15] <BluesKaj> vadi01_, here's the repository to add to your sources.list, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[16:17] <maat_> Yop
[16:17] <maat_> Y'a t'il des utilisateurs Francais ?
[16:17] <vadi01_> BluesKaj: 10.0.4
[16:18] <maat_> :'(
[16:19] <BluesKaj> vadi01_, did yo see my post above ?  ( deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main )
[16:22] <BluesKaj> vadi01_, it might give a NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A warning
[16:32] <dragoness> hello
[16:34] <dragoness> I'm using Kubuntu Lucid with KDE and Firefox 3.6.6; I found that I cannot use the automatic "send link" option even if I did set TB as default mail program and also in FF preferences. Is this normal? (whatever normal means) Thanks
[16:35] <dragoness> For a very short time this did funcion with previous versions of both Kubuntu and FF
[16:38] <aboudreault> Hi, Have anyone noticed that amarok seems to broke the audio and make flash crash ?
[16:39] <aboudreault> When I open it, I got "intel bla bla do not work reverting to PulseAudio"
[16:39] <ubsafder> hello how can i kill all gnuplot process  i have a bunch of runaway
[16:40] <aboudreault> ubsafder, killall
[16:41] <ubsafder> nice thx
[16:44] <nate__> hello, i recently installed kubuntu, and for some reason, it wont register my wireless internet.
[16:44] <nate__> any suggestions?
[16:46] <nate__> has anyone experienced this problem before?
[16:51] <jjoohhnn> anyone recently encountered any issues with kubuntu's sound getting super choppy? .avis played in VLC, youtube videos, and even basic alert sounds are stuttered.
[16:52] <nate__> hey good luck man, i cant get any help either...
[16:56] <dragoness> I have problems with sound managing in skype after installing Kubuntu Lucid, but vlc and amarok work well enough
[17:20] <Guest11606> BluesKaj, it does not complain about no flashplugin being installed, and flashplugin-nonfree is instzalled
[17:20] <Guest11606> I even marked it for re-installation
[17:20] <Guest11606> to no avail
[17:22] <vadi01> why cant kubuntu developers put kde version updates in their stable trusted repos intead of ppa repos which are stated as UNTRUSTED????
[17:24] <Guest11606> anyone can help with my user switchin problem?
[17:25] <Guest11606> I normally leave my user's account running 24/7 and would prefer not to have to log out in order to give another user a kde session
[17:38] <jjoohhnn> anyone wanna try tackling a sound choppiness issue i'm having?
[17:38] <oslo> bonjour
[17:43] <BluesKaj> jjoohhnn, got pulseaudio ?
[17:44] <slow-motion> re
[17:46] <jjoohhnn> BluesKaj: yeah, i just installed it
[17:46] <jjoohhnn> BluesKaj: says there's a bug in the ALSA driver "snd_hda_intel"; will google that now
[17:50] <Guest1055> and I have no more volume control, neither in panel nor by hardware keys - at least nothing to see
[17:59] <jimmy51_> what do kubuntu users use to view .dwg files?
[17:59] <Tm_T> what kind of files that is?
[18:00] <jimmy51_> Tm_T: it's a cad drawing
[18:00] <jimmy51_> in windows i use solidview lite to view it
[18:00] <jimmy51_> or autocad
[18:02] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: does qcad do it?
[18:02] <Tm_T> !info qcad
[18:02] <dragoness> qcad should do
[18:02] <jimmy51_> Tm_T: hmm.... never heard of it.  i'll try it
[18:05] <jimmy51_> Tm_T, dragoness: hmm, it looks like it wants dxf files only.
[18:05] <Tm_T> jimmy51_: pythoncad ?
[18:06] <ridin> pythoncad can't read .dwg files
[18:06] <ridin> according into the software center
[18:06] <Tm_T> !info pythoncad
[18:07] <Guest96925> hi?
[18:07] <Tm_T> oh, right
[18:07] <jimmy51_> pythoncad couldn't read it either
[18:07] <jimmy51_> i see lx-viewer can (on sourceforge), but it's not in a repo
[18:08] <jimmy51_> dwg's are so popular i figured there be a simple repo solution
[18:08] <Guest1055> nobody can help with my change user session problem? my flash plugin problem and my volume control prob?
[18:09] <James147> Guest1055: discribe your problems in more detail and you are more likly to get an answer
[18:09] <Guest1055> James147, I did before, but I will reiterate
[18:10] <James147> Guest1055: alot of people come and go, rather thenrefering to past problems its better to redescribe
[18:10] <Guest1055> after upgrade to lucid yesterday, I cannot change user without closing down current session
[18:10] <Guest1055> I enter in kmenu click leave and there change user session
[18:10] <ridin> jimmy51_, try sagcad
[18:11] <Guest1055> the screensaver kicks in saying session is locked and asking for current user's password. After i enter it, session is unlocked, yet still I cannot change the user
[18:11] <Guest1055> problem two: I cannot watch youtube vids anymore. reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugininstaller but to no avail
[18:12] <Guest1055> firefox does not complain they were not installed, it simply does not show any vid nor sound, though the latter oculd be related to prob 3
[18:13] <Guest1055> prob3: I have no more volume control in my panel, nor do I see any change using the laptop's special keys for it
[18:14] <James147> Guest1055: try running "kmix" to get back your volume control
[18:15] <jimmy51_> ridin: this looks kinda buggy.
[18:15] <ridin> hm?
[18:15] <jimmy51_> errors on start up, open dialog doesn't open what you click on, help button pops error in chinese
[18:15] <Guest1055> James147, this did not work, nor did it give an error
[18:16] <James147> Guest1055: as for the flash problem... the only thing I can suggest is to purge both flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-installer (sudo aptitude purge <package name>) then to try and reinstall them
[18:16] <James147> Guest1055: try running it from a terminal see if it tell you anything there
[18:17] <ridin> jimmy51_, not sure what to do then, not very good with linux
[18:20] <Guest1055> James147, hmm, I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1896776
[18:21] <dragoness> gue
[18:21] <dragoness> Guest1055: which browser do you use?
[18:21] <Guest1055> dragoness, firefox
[18:22] <Guest1055> i tried with swftdc and gnash too
[18:22] <Guest1055> konqueror keeps giving me problems with hotmail mail editing, do I use ff
[18:23] <Guest1055> but before upgrade ff worked with adobe flahplugin
[18:24] <dragoness> Guest1055: I had a similar problem: first I updated ff to 3.6.6; nothing worked; then I upgraded to Lucid 10.4 and flash was fixed automatically
[18:24] <dragoness> this refers only to flash problem
[18:24] <dragoness> I don't have the slightest idea on what happened
[18:24] <dragoness> but flash works now
[18:25] <Guest1055> hmm
[18:28] <James147> Guest1055: try "sudo aptitude reinstall locales" then try purging again
[18:29] <Guest1055> trying
[18:30]  * shadeslayer_ is here after a long time :P
[18:31] <slinker1> wb
[18:31]  * James147 welcomes shadeslayer_ back
[18:31] <shadeslayer_> btw any brave testers around? :D
[18:31] <James147> shadeslayer_: depends what for :)
[18:31] <shadeslayer_> James147: i need someone to test kraft out
[18:32] <shadeslayer_> its going to be backported... so need confirmation that it installs and works
[18:32] <shadeslayer_> James147: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[18:32] <James147> shadeslayer_: will beable to do that... but I need to do something first, give me about 10min?
[18:33] <shadeslayer_> James147: sure.. just add the ppa.... i know it says do not install... but just add it and install kraft ;)
[18:33] <Guest1055> James147, still the same error. I guess I fiddled with some file in order to set up scim
[18:33] <James147> shadeslayer_: kk
[18:34] <shadeslayer_> James147: ill post the bug link soon,so you can comment on it ;)
[18:34] <James147> Guest1055: look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-319397.html  and try some of the fixes there to see if you can get rid of that error
[18:34] <shadeslayer_> or maybe.. just a sec
[18:34] <James147> shadeslayer_: kk, will try it when i get back
[18:34] <shadeslayer_> thanks :D
[18:35] <Guest1055> James147,  http://pastebin.ca/1896783
[18:35] <Guest1055> ok, will read forum
[18:44] <marlin> does anyone know how to get to the admin tools?
[18:51] <anirudh24seven> i searched a lot on the internet to enable proper recording in my lucid kubuntu... still not able to record with my laptop's in-built mic
[18:52] <jimmy51_> i've just downloaded dwg2dxf, an open source tool. i'm trying to configure/make/make install but am getting errors on the make that are beyond me. anyone care to take a look? http://pastebin.com/jqZHgZEj
[18:52] <Torch> jimmy51_: you're missing the c++ headers
[18:53] <jimmy51_> Torch: hmm, those aren't a part of build-essential?
[18:53] <Torch> jimmy51_: probably not, because it's c++
[18:54] <anirudh24seven> am unable to record using audacity... never have used my in-built mic earlier on kubuntu... works fine on windows
[18:54] <Torch> jimmy51_: there's a libstdc++6-x-y-dev package that goes with your compiler version. install it.
[18:54] <jimmy51_> Torch: do you happen to know the package name?
[18:54] <jimmy51_> Torch: ah
[18:56] <jimmy51_> Torch: i've got libstdc++6-4.4-dev already.
[18:56] <jimmy51_> maybe an environment var issue?
[18:56] <Torch> jimmy51_: it doesn
[18:56] <Torch> oops
[18:57] <Torch> jimmy51_: the compiler does not find iostream.h. either because it's not installed or because it's not lookin in the right place
[18:57] <shadeslayer> James147: bug is here https://launchpad.net/bugs/603276
[18:57] <shadeslayer> the package should be built fully in 20 mins or so
[18:58] <jimmy51_> Torch: is that an environment variable setting? (where that file and other headers are)
[18:58] <Torch> jimmy51_: no
[18:59] <Torch> jimmy51_: where did you get that download?
[18:59] <jimmy51_> Torch: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lx-viewer/files/
[19:00] <Torch> jimmy51_: which file?
[19:01] <jimmy51_> Torch: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lx-viewer/files/DWG%20to%20DXF/Command%20Line%20Utility%202.1/
[19:02] <Torch> jimmy51_: doesn't build here either. lemme see why.
[19:02] <dragoness> have a nice time
[19:02] <dragoness> bye bye
[19:02] <jimmy51_> Torch: ah, at least it's not just me :)
[19:03] <anirudh24seven> can some1 help me ?
[19:03] <Torch> jimmy51_: no, this thing's build system is seriously broken.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> anirudh24seven: sure go ahead
[19:04] <anirudh24seven> am not able to enable mic
[19:04] <jimmy51_> Torch: am i pretty much out of luck with this app then?
[19:04] <Torch> jimmy51_: it's also ten years old. that might explain it.
[19:04] <anirudh24seven> kmix's title bar reads HDA intel
[19:04] <shadeslayer> anirudh24seven: ok,and which app doesnt read the mic?
[19:04] <anirudh24seven> audacity
[19:04] <jimmy51_> Torch: man, i guess i'm stuck with windows for reading cad files then
[19:04] <Torch> jimmy51_: i doubt it will build without modification. c++ compilers have evolved a lot since 1999 ;-)
[19:04] <shadeslayer> eww.
[19:04] <jimmy51_> Torch: at least, cad filese made in autocad.  man, 1999!
[19:05] <shadeslayer> anirudh24seven: well.. idk if this will help or not,but in kmix theres a Settings > Configure kmix option
[19:05] <shadeslayer> anirudh24seven: just go there and select all options,or drag them to the right side,then set your mic to full and unmute it
[19:06] <shadeslayer> usually your mic is at a very low volume or is muted
[19:06] <anirudh24seven> do i need to enable capture /
[19:06] <anirudh24seven> ?
[19:06] <jimmy51_> Torch: thanks for looking into it.  i get frustrated trying to compile and install myself.
[19:07] <shadeslayer> anirudh24seven: yes
[19:07] <Torch> jimmy51_: yw, sorry i couldn't make it work for you.
[19:08] <jimmy51_> Torch: no prob, seems like a market problem (no demand for an app for this need) not a technical one
[19:09] <anirudh24seven> shadeslayer: i now see a lot of options... Master, PCM, Digital, Mic, Capture, Capture 2, Capture 3, ATAPI Mic, Beep, Mute IEC958 and also 3 drop-down boxes, with the labels Input Source, Input Source 2, Input Source 3...
[19:09] <shadeslayer> yes,see the Digital Mic and Capture options
[19:09] <shadeslayer> all of them should be high and unmuted
[19:09] <anirudh24seven> they are...
[19:09] <anirudh24seven> do i modify the input sources ?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> not sure what you mean
[19:10] <shadeslayer> but sure... go ahead and play :P
[19:10] <anirudh24seven> from the drop down box with the label Input Source, i can see the following options
[19:10] <anirudh24seven> Mic, Front Mic, Line, CD
[19:11] <anirudh24seven> which one refers to my in-built mic ?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> anirudh24seven: hmmm.. sure .. set it to high
[19:11] <shadeslayer> probably capture 1,2 and digital mic
[19:14] <anirudh24seven> there's no option to capture digital mic
[19:15] <James147> shadeslayer: installing now...
[19:16] <shadeslayer> James147: whee :D
[19:17] <James147> shadeslayer: installs and runs fine
[19:18] <shadeslayer> James147: can you leave a comment on that bug link? also what does : apt-cache policy say
[19:18] <shadeslayer> uh
[19:18] <shadeslayer> James147: apt-cache policy kraft
[19:19] <James147> shadeslayer:  :S although after i passed the database window it now says there is a problem with The Qt database driver could not be loaded @S
[19:20] <shadeslayer> James147: thats a issue with qt then... not kraft...
[19:21] <James147> shadeslayer: just saying :)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> James147: ;)
[19:23] <James147> shadeslayer: apt-cache policy kraft >> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/tNYe49Wh
[19:24] <shadeslayer> James147: thats the old version :)
[19:24] <James147> :S
[19:24] <shadeslayer> James147: one sec... leeme check the ppa
[19:25] <shadeslayer> James147: amd64 is yet to compile.. you will recieve a notfication
[19:25] <shadeslayer> for a upgrade
[19:25] <James147> shadeslayer: kk
[19:25] <shadeslayer> James147: thanks again :)
[19:25] <James147> np
[19:40] <nicolas_> hi!!
[19:42] <nicolas_> somebody coul tell me how to restore the original config of the plasma panel, i think this is the way is called, in kubuntu 10.04 netbook??
[19:43] <nicolas_> my sister erased some panels acidentally and I don't know how to bring them back
[19:44] <James147> nicolas_: to reset plasma (including the paneel and desktop) delete: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc (or plasma-desktop-appletsrc or plasmarc) i suggest making a backup of them first
[19:45] <James147> nicolas_: you can also add panels back by right clicking the desktop > add panel
[19:45] <James147> (but on kde 4.4.x or ealier they will be blank)
[19:45] <shadeslayer> James147: btw im parting this channel,catch me on #kubuntu-devel ;)
[19:45] <nicolas_> adding them by right click it doesn't put them back the way they were
[19:46] <James147> nicolas_: then deleting the above files will (note they will reset your entire desktop back to the default)
[19:47] <James147> nicolas_: after deleting them you will need to restart plasma-desktop (to do that run: killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop)
[19:48] <nicolas_> i can't find the folders, how i can fin them, sorry I'm new with linux
[19:49] <nicolas_> this folder are in the usr folder?
[19:51] <James147> nicolas_: ~/ means you home directory (/home/USERNAME) you should just beable to type ~/.kde/share/config/  into dolphin to get stright to it
[19:51] <James147> nicolas_: also the "." infrount of .kde means that .kde is a hidden folder
[19:52] <James147> ~/.kde is where all kde config files are kept for your user
[19:52] <nicolas_> i found them, the .de folder is hidden within the home folder
[19:53] <James147> nicolas_: the /usr folder is a system folder so you shouldnt find any user level stuff in there
[19:54] <James147> nicolas_: note: $HOME /home/USERNAME  and ~ all point to the same location  (if you replace USERNAME with your username :) )
[20:01] <nicolas> i found the .kde folder, but i couldn't find no plasma folder, i have a spanish version of kubuntu maybe is called a different way,
[20:02] <nicolas> james147 I'm the same nicolas_ the battery on my netbook went down
[20:02] <James147> nicolas: did you find ~/.kde/share/config ?
[20:04] <nicolas> sorry, yes I jus found them, for some reason i was looking in other directory
[20:05] <James147> nicolas: ok, then delete, rename or move them and restart plamsa-desktop and your desktop should be back to the default settings
[20:06] <James147> nicolas: note: almost all kde apps keep theri config files here so if you need to reset a kde application this is normally a good palce to start (some apps keep larger data such as databases in ~/.kde/share/apps)
[20:09] <nicolas> ok, I'll do this. Thanks! I'm just starting with linux, I hope I can adapt to it :) . Bye
[20:44] <Hawkeye-X> anyone know how to use port forwarding on iptables that can help me make sure it's working and stuff?
[20:44] <Hawkeye-X> please?
[21:06] <Rcart> Hello... can someone tell me why the GTK app's integration in KDE is... bad? applications like GIMP, Firefox.
[21:10] <Zeik> Hello everyone.
[21:11] <Zeik> Does anyone have any trouble running Applications through Wine in 10.04? If so, could i get any tips on how to improve performance and prevent crashes?
[21:12] <James147> Zeik: Wine is highly tempramental :S some things work some just dont...
[21:12] <James147> !wine | Zeik
[21:13] <Zeik> I would like to continue to run Wine as stable as i can like it did in version 1.0.1. But i cannot seem to find a .DEB package for it, i am unable to install it manually and compile it.
[21:13] <Zeik> I used it in Kubuntu 8.10 and it was extremely stable, i was able to run just about every single one of my games.
[21:14] <James147> Zeik: http://www.winehq.org/ the development version is usually better then the stable version for wine (the stable version is very old now and there have been alot of improvments in wine)
[21:15] <Zeik> Well, i run an Intel 950 GMA chipset, all of the uptiered versions of Wine have had problems so far on this IGP.
[21:16] <Zeik> I would just like to find a .DEB of Wine 1.0.1
[21:16] <mu3en> 10.04, with themed greeter and splash screen disabled, whenever i log in there is a brief flash of the blue default desktop [as plasma loads, i guess], rather than the custom wallpaper or background color, anyone know how to prevent that.
[21:16] <James147> Zeik: if you need more spific help with it you might want to consider asking on #winehq
[21:16] <Zeik> Oh, Wine has a channel?
[21:16] <Zeik> Haha, i would have never thought about that.
[21:16] <Zeik> Ok, thank you James.
[21:16] <Zeik> I appreciate it.
[21:19] <Zeik> Oh, nvm.
[21:19] <Zeik> I found a webpage hosting a good amount of links to older versions.
[21:19] <Zeik> http://www.rpmseek.com/rpm-dl/wine_1.0.1-0ubuntu8_i386.html?hl=com&cx=0:-:0:7728412:0:0:0:
[21:23] <Ites> has someone been playing FM2010 with wine around here ?
[21:30] <burr__> i got an error when i logged in that said something to the effect of internal communication error...make sure dcopserver was running
[22:06] <solifugus> So, is kubuntu slowly branching away from ubuntu?
[22:06] <maco> it has always been the kde one...
[22:06] <blain> ubuntu should be kde
[22:07] <solifugus> but it has a different installer and someone told me there was a bit of a mind to move more away, so it wouldn't be so second-handish, as per Mark Shuttleworth..
[22:07] <solifugus> we could rename it.. you know, somethin glike "kick-buttu"
[22:08] <maco> the installer is simply rewritten in qt
[22:08] <Torch> solifugus: it has a different installer? arent the installers just frontends?
[22:08] <maco> Torch: yep
[22:09] <maco> and the move away... kubuntu sticks to as-vanilla-as-reasonable kde. ubuntu seems to be forking gnome. meh.
[22:09] <burr__> forking?
[22:09] <maco> well it is nowhere near vanilla
[22:10] <maco> and gnome2 seems to be living on in its own variety in ubuntu found nowhere else on the linux desktop
[22:10] <maco> while gnome is moving on to gnome3
[22:10] <solifugus> maco: I'd make some fixes.. kde has become less intuitive in various ways, since 3.5
[22:10] <maco> like systemsettings?
[22:10] <maco> 4.5 is an improvement there
[22:11] <Torch> solifugus: it's just different.
[22:11] <burr__> how do i know which version of kde im running, and how do i get a different version?
[22:11] <maco> 4.5 will be in 10.10
[22:11] <Torch> burr__: any kde app: help -> about kde
[22:12] <maco> 10.04 has 4.4.2
[22:12] <solifugus> Options are great.. but just about everyone hates that desktop activity thing.. and those not familiar with kde really get tripped up on single-click icons..
[22:13] <blain> thats tweakable
[22:13] <solifugus> to me, kde 3.5 was for everybody--even grandmas.. but kde 4 is for techies... It's all tweakable, but by default.. it's for techies.
[22:13] <nuovodna> when will be available kde 4.4.92 for lucid ?
[22:13] <burr__> so how do i tweak single-click icons?
[22:14] <Torch> solifugus: 3.5 had single click per default.
[22:15] <solifugus> it did.. although I don't mind single-click, i always thought that was a bad thing to have as a default.  It takes people a while to stop double-clicking.. in the meanwhile, they get two of everything.
[22:15] <solifugus> burr__: if you don't like it, you switch it to double-click.. kde is more customizable than gnome..
[22:15] <burr__> well i don't mind it
[22:15] <maco> burr__: in 4.5 its systemsettings -> input devices -> mouse... in 4.4 i think its systemsettings -> mouse and keyboard -> mouse
[22:15] <solifugus> neither do i
[22:16] <Torch> maco: yep
[22:16] <burr__> but there are some things i would like to change...such as the application menu
[22:16] <maco> solifugus: the activities thing changed again
[22:16] <maco> solifugus: now it's simply teh ability to tie certain plasmoids to certain desktops
[22:16] <maco> yay for usability testing
[22:17] <maco> solifugus: see, some people have to unlearn double click so they get 2 things. others have not yet figured out how to click twice quickly so they cant get things that require double click to do anything at all
[22:18] <maco> try teaching a new person to use a computer. "double click" "whats that?" "click twice" "*slowly click once* *pause* *slowly click again* ... nothing happened"
[22:18] <solifugus> maco: that was the argument with kde 1.0... I remember.. but even then, pretty much everybody minus about 0.00001% of people were used to double-click.
[22:18] <maco> thats because back then everyone using it was a techie :P
[22:18] <solifugus> I've always disagreed with that as a default.. even though I like single-click for myself
[22:18] <maco> now that nontechies use linux, thinking about people who cant handle double clicking actually matters
[22:20] <solifugus> maco: first impressions count.  Those who cannot double-click are a tiny almost non-existant minority.. those who are annoyed by single-click are almost everyone first introduced to it.
[22:20] <solifugus> not a huge deal, though
[22:20] <Torch> solifugus: talk to the people on the kde usability list about this
[22:20] <Torch> solifugus: it won't help much if you discuss it here ;-)
[22:20] <maco> i just realised i didnt change the default settings at all on this install of kubuntu
[22:20] <solifugus> it'd be a troll anywhere.. really..  it's too old an argument
[22:21] <maco> and ive had this install for a few weeks
[22:21] <maco> so apparently adjusting to single click isnt that hard, if it took me weeks to notice that i wasnt double clicking
[22:21] <solifugus> is there a quick way to lock my desktop, not logout or shutdown?
[22:22] <maco> ctrl+alt+L i think?
[22:22] <solifugus> yep.. that's it.. I'm off to home now..
[22:23] <nuovodna> when will be available kde 4.4.92 for lucid ?
[22:41] <zePh7r> I installed adobe reader 9 available in the repositories but have know acknowledged there's only a deutch version available. how come?
[22:53] <zegenie_> maco: activities is changing again, but it's not just "certain plasmoids on certain desktops"
[22:53] <zegenie_> but I don't even think they know what it's suppose to be, themselves
[22:53] <BluesKaj> zePh7r, your repos is based on the location you entered when you installed kubuntu, just change the repository by opening the package manager and choosing the main server
[22:54] <BluesKaj> then sudo apt-get update
[22:56] <zePh7r> BluesKaj: for real? never thought that would have any effect on the localization of the packages (it's really lame as a matter of fact)
[23:00] <zePh7r> oh by the the way, even doing what BluesKaj suggested, deutch version is still the only one available on the repos
[23:00] <BluesKaj> zePh7r, well i could be wrong , but that's what I did when my repos were real slow ..never used any repos other than english ones
[23:01] <zePh7r> hopefully, it's not too much of an hassle to download manually the .deb from adobe servers
[23:01] <BluesKaj> zePh7r, there are alternatives to the adobe reader
[23:02] <zePh7r> yeah but adobe's still the one that supports the greatest amount of pdf features
[23:02] <zePh7r> can't browse some pdfs on okular for example
[23:04] <BluesKaj> zePh7r, what about acroread
[23:05] <zePh7r> isn't that the name of older versions of adobe reader?
[23:06] <BluesKaj> zePh7r, i see both in synaptic
[23:06] <zePh7r> damn, that's why I couldn't find the en version! It was under a different branding
[23:55] <nyavuz> hi all , i am use wrong command for update kde 4.5 , i did not use dist-upgrade command, now can i do re update with dist-upgrade :) and pls accept my apologized for my bad english,
[23:56] <judax> nyavuz: what command did you use?
[23:56] <nyavuz> apt-get upgrade
[23:57] <donaldbrasco> hey - has anyone out there heard of an application/service/whatever that is capable of reading the tags of my media files and re-organizing the folder structure?
[23:57] <donaldbrasco> **for kubuntu, of course**
[23:58] <judax> nyavuz: are you having issues after doing that?
[23:58] <nyavuz> judax, in net have a documation http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/02/dist-upgrade-misnomer-confusion.html  but there dont have about kde :-s
[23:59] <donaldbrasco> I would also like to rename my tracks, if possible
[23:59] <nyavuz> judax no dont have  issues :) i wanna just try kde 4.5