[00:18] <billytwowilly> I'm thinking about helping test out beta 2. Anyone experiencing any show stopper bugs? the system I'm going to upgrade would be annoying to break, but not catastrophic.
[01:11] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: I think the difference was in the logo's K...
[01:13] <ScottK> Tm_T: I had to strip the widgets out to get the size down.  I geuss we can play with it and see what fits.
[01:13] <ScottK> Thanks for testing.
[01:14] <Tm_T> ScottK: np, should I try something specifically or is it enough that "it works" ?
[01:15] <ScottK> That's great news.  I've no idea.
[01:15]  * ScottK doesn't know the last time we had a working powerpc live CD.
[01:15] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^ working powerpc live CD.
[01:15] <NCommander> NICE!
[01:16] <Tm_T> ScottK: heh, glad I had more ram now, with 256 MiB livecd wouldn't work well
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: the one there before had the new K
[01:28] <ScottK> Is showdesktop part of plasma-widgets-addons?
[01:32] <ScottK> Tm_T: Do you still have your live session up?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes
[01:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[01:34] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Ah, OK
[01:34] <ScottK> And what's the package for the microblog thing?
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: addons as well
[01:34] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool
[01:35] <Tm_T> ScottK: yes
[01:35] <ScottK> Tm_T: Could you install plasma-widgets-addons in your live session and give me a list of the packages it pulls in?
[01:35] <Tm_T> sure
[01:36] <ScottK> I think we have enough room to add what we need to fix those errors, but I want to check.
[01:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: plasma-widgets-addons and plasma-dataengines-addons, 1,232 kB to download, 6,017 kB to be used
[01:39] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[01:40] <ScottK> That should fit.
[01:40]  * ScottK fixes.
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> man, where's Riddell?
[01:52] <ScottK> I know he was off work on Friday.
[01:52] <ScottK> Beyond that, dunno.
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> bug 560411:(
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at the risk of your coronary health^
[02:53] <swien> Hi, I've got some problems with the nvidia driver and kubuntu beta. NVidia-Settings is not working an compositing cannot be activated. Is there a known bug about this?
[02:57] <lex79> ScottK: bug 545686
[02:58] <lex79> it fixes 4 bugs in LP
[03:36] <ScottK> lex79: Already approved.
[03:36] <lex79> thanks
[03:37] <ScottK> yw.
[03:49] <imbrandon> evening all
[03:49] <ScottK> Heya imbrandon.
[03:50] <imbrandon> heya
[03:50] <imbrandon> late night, get to install the daily build a few times , lol
[03:50] <ScottK> imbrandon: Did you see the call for testing on kubuntu-devel ml?
[03:51] <imbrandon> i so need a sysprep like tool for ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:51] <imbrandon> ScottK, yup, dl'ing that image now
[03:51] <imbrandon> i needed to install it on a few boxzen anyhow , so why not test right ?
[03:51] <ScottK> Great.  Absolutely.
[03:51] <imbrandon> brb gonna refill my coffee
[03:53] <imbrandon> back, sooooo how ya been ScottK , lookin busy
[03:53] <ScottK> Yep.
[03:53] <imbrandon> :)
[03:53] <ScottK> Release is looking pretty good, but more bugs to fix.
[03:54] <imbrandon> yea i noticed a few on the ML, maybe i can poke one or two this week, i have lots of free time i think ( i'm between having quit my job and opening my own store )
[03:55] <imbrandon> thus loading kubuntu on a few boxes ( i'm offering ubuntu/kubuntu installed and supported on my refurb'd hardware )
[03:56] <imbrandon> you know opening a retail shop is a PITA, lol
[03:57] <ScottK> Yeah, it sure is.
[03:57]  * ScottK has two teenagers working in retail at the moment (not for me fortunately) and one of them is at a new store.
[03:58] <imbrandon> :)
[03:59] <imbrandon> i just hoping the linux option on the hardware will overtake the windows one'
[03:59] <imbrandon> less support headache imho
[03:59] <ScottK> Got time to test a patch then?
[04:00] <imbrandon> right now its only about 20% ( linux ) and the rest opt for win32/64, but thats online only ( craigslist / ebay ) i'm hoping the retail part will give them a way to "touch it"
[04:00] <imbrandon> sure
[04:00] <ScottK> imbrandon: It's attached to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222110
[04:01] <imbrandon> k will do as soon as this frist install finishes
[04:01] <imbrandon> is that against the latest ?
[04:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:01] <imbrandon> k
[04:01] <imbrandon> should be about ~20 min or so
[04:01] <ScottK> Actually I don't know for sure if debfx did the patch against our 4.4.2 or KDE Trunk.
[04:01] <ScottK> Either way that code isn't touched much, it should apply fine.
[04:01] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:01] <imbrandon> no worries, i can figure that aprt, just  makin sure it wasent a version or two back
[04:02] <imbrandon> part*
[04:02] <ScottK> Nope.  Patch was just done today.
[04:02] <imbrandon> k
[04:02] <ScottK> That's one of the worst unfixed bugs I know of.
[04:02] <imbrandon> :)
[04:02] <ScottK> It'll be good to get that in.
[04:03] <imbrandon> ohhh i got an actual laptop/tablet i can test that on too for a "real world test"
[04:03] <imbrandon> nice
[04:03] <imbrandon> one with the flippy screen thing
[04:04] <ScottK> imbrandon: Are you doing anything with netbooks?
[04:04] <ScottK> You know we've got a Kubuntu Netbook variant now?
[04:05] <imbrandon> only the dell mini 9's and the "7 in mini notebooks" from china ( unbranded 400mhz arm's )
[04:05] <ScottK> We have armel images that need testing ....
[04:05] <imbrandon> yea i seen it, on the dell's i've been going with full distro, the 7 inches would be awesom
[04:05] <imbrandon> if i could get netbook remix to qwork on em
[04:06] <imbrandon> ( only have 3 for testing atm untill i could get sometingh "solid" to work on em besides winCE 6 )
[04:06] <ScottK> Try netbook.  The plasma netbook U/I is a lot smarter on small screens.
[04:07] <imbrandon> yea i was actualy looking for the arm port today, its kinda funky because it dont have a bios or efi of anykind that i can see
[04:07] <imbrandon> thus no acpi etc
[04:07] <imbrandon> kinda funky
[04:07] <imbrandon> but they are CHEAP so i bought a few and gonna give em a try
[04:07] <imbrandon> like $57 if i buy em in builk ( $75 each as one off's )
[04:07] <ScottK> Well we have it for i386 for the Dells too.
[04:08] <imbrandon> yea i put it on the dell's when it was still early, cant get ppl to order them that way, like i said hopefully the retail when they can "touch" them will make the sale easier
[04:10] <ScottK> I've shown Kubuntu Netbook to some pretty hard core Windows fanbois and gotten "I want" as a response.
[04:10] <ScottK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-i386.iso
[04:11] <imbrandon> ScottK, here is the exact specs on the arm ones ( this is not my retail shop but it lists the specs )
[04:11] <imbrandon> http://www.yallstore.com/new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd-black-p-39108.html
[04:12] <imbrandon> cool part is when i order 20 or more i can have the cases branded and colored too :)
[04:12] <ScottK> Nice.
[04:13] <imbrandon> definately not a top of the line machine, but i can pump em out the door with linux for $100 they should sell well
[04:14] <imbrandon> those dells are sweet though, i'll have to give the net remix another shot on them
[04:14] <imbrandon> atm they ship with win7 starter, and thats ..... unfortunate imho
[04:16] <imbrandon> hrm, we really need a sysprep tool
[04:17] <imbrandon> maybe i'll scratch that itch later
[04:17] <imbrandon> brb , gonna finish that install and grab the patch
[04:17] <ScottK> Great.
[04:20]  * ScottK was thinking to upload to his PPA for testing, but his fingers have typed dput ubuntu too many times.
[04:20] <ScottK> Fortunately they are also fast with ctrl-c.
[05:14] <imbrandon> ScottK, other things takin a bit longer than i thought but i will get to that patch tonight ( brb gonna reboot )
[08:21] <delight_> in 9.10 there was a possibility to swith the notification system to a nice pop-up style http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/enabling-ayatana-notifications-in-kubuntu-9-10/ .. is this gonna come to lucid again ?
[09:38] <imbrandon> ScottK: ping
[09:39] <imbrandon> that kcm_randr bug is tested , fixed , pushed to my ppa and the offical bzr branch for the package
[09:39] <imbrandon> me or someone else can upload it to the archive when ready, just wanset sure if there were more planed changes going into that package or not
[09:40] <imbrandon> ( probably not as late in the cycle as it is )
[09:42] <imbrandon> ScottK: bzr is here lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/
[09:42] <apparle> I get this while compiling a source "./configure: line 3976: smr_WITH_BUILD_PATH: command not found" what to do?
[10:17] <apparle> Guys I am banned in kubuntu why is it so?
[10:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: Happy Birthday!
[11:14]  * apachelogger throws up on bug 560411
[11:17] <apachelogger> OH
[11:17] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[11:18] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:18] <apachelogger> madness
[11:19] <imbrandon> apachelogger: lol
[11:21] <debfx> is system settings supposed to be in the "Computer" menu?
[11:21] <apachelogger> imbrandon: oh hai o/
[11:22] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[11:22] <apachelogger> debfx: where else would it be?
[11:23] <debfx> apachelogger: in Applications->Settings
[11:24] <debfx> apachelogger: it's always in Applications->Settings but only sometimes in Computer
[11:24] <debfx> i've noticed that on both of my kubuntu installations
[11:32] <apachelogger> debfx: actually we never wanted it in settings
[11:32] <apachelogger> and latest kubuntu-default-settings takes care of getting rid of it from there once and for all
[11:32] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>kdebase-workspace/debian/changelog: releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu9
[11:32] <apachelogger> debfx: that somtiems in computer seems to be a bug though
[11:33] <debfx> apachelogger: the Computer menu sometimes looks like this: http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7573/snapshot1qf.png
[11:33] <apachelogger> not the first time I heared that it is at times disappearing from the computer tab, no clue why
[11:33] <apachelogger> that seems to ba rather old vm anyway, judging from the menu pic
[11:34] <apachelogger> debfx: it is weird though, we inject the menu entries there via kickoffrc in kubuntu-default-setitngs which IIRC should be 100% equal to patching the source
[11:34] <apachelogger> maybe config reading fails or something
[11:38] <debfx> really strange, sometimes system settings is missing, sometimes kpackagekit and sometimes both
[11:38] <apachelogger> ohh
[11:39] <apachelogger> that either-or sounds more like a bug in the model
[11:39] <apachelogger> that jung get read all at once, so it can only have to do with the model or the ui itself
[11:39] <apachelogger> s/jung/junk ^^
[11:41] <imbrandon> hrm, i might try to tackle bug# 19767 after some sleep today
[11:41] <imbrandon> maybe , lulz
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>kde-l10n-common/debian/ (changelog rules):
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Comment debian/rules a bit more.
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Make sure extragear and playground desktop files are coming from trunk,
[11:45] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  we need a more sensible approach to this though (LP: #560411)
[12:04] <shadeslayer> any idea what im doing wrong here :
[12:04] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/GbRpYCL6
[12:05] <apachelogger> ubottu: bug  19767
[12:05] <apachelogger> imbrandon: I am not sure it is worth the time, KHC is broken by design and should be rewritten altogether
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgphoto2-2-dev (>= 2.4) libkipi7-dev libkexiv2-8-dev libkdcraw8-dev liblcms1-dev libtiff4-dev liblqr-1-0-dev libjasper-dev liblensfun-dev libmarble-dev libsqlite3-dev
[12:06] <apachelogger> you need them packaeges installed
[12:06] <imbrandon> yea but i'm thinking just to disable the search tab like on windows
[12:06] <imbrandon> cuz it effects 3 and 4 right ?
[12:06] <shadeslayer> i think oh my
[12:06] <apachelogger> I'd remove it/hide it
[12:06] <imbrandon> yea
[12:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, no, hold on
[12:06] <apachelogger> wouldnt debuild -S -sa only build the source?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think youre right :P
[12:07] <apachelogger> ah
[12:07] <apachelogger> ^^^
[12:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, install those packages
[12:07] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:07]  * apachelogger didnt see that debuild was invoked ^^
[12:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you rproblem is that a patch fails to apply
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh wait!
[12:07] <apachelogger> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file utilities/imageeditor/canvas/colorcorrectiondlg.cpp.rej
[12:07] <apachelogger> dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL="C" LANG="C" patch -s -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/10_kdesvn_r1064789_fix_editor_crash.diff/ gave error exit status 1
[12:07] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b digikam-1.2.0 gave error exit status 2
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just read to line 55
[12:08] <apachelogger> or at least that change cannot be reverted, wherever the change is coming from ^^
[12:08] <apachelogger> if svn was any slower...
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so the problem is the patch right?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw digikam was not converted to source 3.0 format in the repo ;)
[12:10] <apachelogger> if debian did not convert then we shouldnt either
[12:11] <shadeslayer> ohh.. ok
[12:11] <apachelogger> my guess is that 10_kdesvn_r1064789_fix_editor_crash.diff (since it originated in upstream SVN) is applied to the source, hence additional applying fails
[12:12] <apachelogger> this is also why quilt whines about reveserd patch... reversed patch in most cases == already applied patch
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i remove the patch right?
[12:12]  * apachelogger gets annoyed by rekonqs buggyness and switcht o konqueror with webkitkde
[12:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you investigate if what I said is true ;)
[12:12] <apachelogger> and if it is you remove the patch
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ok
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which version of rekonq?
[12:14] <apachelogger> 0.4
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh.. well im on git version and it works like a charm :)
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw red in kompare means deleted lines right:
[12:15] <apachelogger> earlier it ate my X
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what!
[12:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno, I dont use kompare, but usually red means deleted, yes ;)
[12:16] <shadeslayer> the lines are still there
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the patch hasnt beed applied
[12:20] <shadeslayer> *been
[12:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any ideas on what might be wrong?
[12:38]  * apachelogger is picking fihgts again
[12:39] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: sure, if parts of the patch were applied, it would still fail to apply
[12:39] <apachelogger> you will have to look at hunk1 specifically
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> the first patch you mean...
[12:40] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: btw, you know that neversfelde has a digikam 1.2 package uploaded?
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> oh my..
[12:40] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: no, hunk 1 of the patch
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> oh ok
[12:40] <apachelogger> the first part
[12:40] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: where is the new version?
[12:40] <apachelogger> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
[12:40] <apachelogger> that marks a hunk
[12:40] <apachelogger> then comes the patch content
[12:41] <apachelogger> and then another linke like the one above might be, with different numbers, marking the second hunk
[12:41] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: backports PPA
[12:41] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: we didnt want to upload to lucid at this stage without making sure everyone is fine with that
[12:41] <evilshadeslayer> ah ok :D
[12:43] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: this was reported a few mins ago : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/560576
[12:43] <evilshadeslayer> i just changed it to fix released :)
[12:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you should probably drop a news on kubuntu.org
[12:45] <apachelogger> markey: haha, that ccfinder tool is written in python, no wonder it only works on ubuntu lunix ;)
[12:45] <markey> heh
[12:45] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: btw is KDE plannig a new panel in 4.5
[12:45] <evilshadeslayer> ?
[12:46] <apachelogger> dont think so
[12:46] <apachelogger> if you a refering to the buzz on identi.ca as I understand it, they are just adding a default layout to the pnale
[12:46] <evilshadeslayer> hmm.. i heard it on identi.ca ..
[12:46] <apachelogger> so when you add a panel it will come with default widgets instead of emptyness
[12:46] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: ohhh...
[12:47] <apachelogger> that is how I understand it anyway ... one never knows what the plasma devs mean :P
[12:47] <apachelogger> they are like me when I start talking about maths ^^
[12:48] <evilshadeslayer> hehe
[12:49] <Mamarok> hm, which was the first Kubuntu release again? I only remember having built KDE on top of Ubuntu, but which was the first Kubuntu release?
[12:49] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: i think it was 7.04
[12:49] <evilshadeslayer> i still have the CD's from that release :P
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/KubuntuKDE4
[12:50] <Mamarok> evilshadeslayer: no, I think rather 6.06
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> hehe...
[12:50] <Mamarok> Dapper Drake IIRC
[12:50] <Mamarok> but not so sure
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: hmm..
[12:50] <evilshadeslayer> idk :)
[12:51] <Mamarok> wrong again, it must have been Breezy
[12:51] <Mamarok> 5.10
[12:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: do you remember?
[12:51] <Mamarok> found it: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.04/
[12:52] <Mamarok> 5 years of Kubuntu then :)
[12:52] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: cool!
[12:52] <Mamarok> apparently I did build KDE on top of Warty for the first time, found a very old blog entry in my archives...
[12:54]  * evilshadeslayer checks for his results
[12:54] <apachelogger> for warty there were only "3rd party kde packges" with 5.04 kubutu came into existance
[12:54] <apachelogger> so officially I suppose its really 5 years already
[12:54] <evilshadeslayer> thank god... its not out yet :D
[12:54]  * apachelogger feels old now
[12:54] <evilshadeslayer> hehe
[12:55] <apachelogger> off to chakra!
[12:55] <apachelogger> not 5 years I think
[12:55] <evilshadeslayer> i started with KDE 4.0 ... so im still shiny :D
[12:55] <evilshadeslayer> well... a few scratches here and there... but shiny
[12:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: if we had a marekting dept. we could use that fact for loads of things ^^
[12:55] <apachelogger> but we dont have such a department :(
[12:56] <evilshadeslayer> #kubuntu-mkt-dept :P
[12:57] <apachelogger> oh
[12:57] <apachelogger> kde-l10n is already at u
[12:58]  * apachelogger thinks it might be done soonish
[12:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:07]  * apachelogger notes that no one patched kpk in karmic
[13:08]  * evilshadeslayer notes that he needs a bath
[13:09]  * apachelogger noticed when he came into the channel this morning :P
[13:09] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[13:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:12] <apachelogger> incredibly how slow the austrian archive mirror is
[13:12]  * apachelogger switches to french one
[13:20] <apachelogger> oh cmon
[13:20] <apachelogger> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[13:21] <apachelogger> why do you always do this to me -.-
[13:30] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: heh.. i use the main repo...
[13:30] <apachelogger> those are also slow as hell
[13:30] <evilshadeslayer> pretty fast here :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> wait until release day
[13:30] <apachelogger> you wont be able to update for 3 weeks
[13:31] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. well im on a 256 kbps connection so...
[13:31] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ill switch to the indian mirror before release day :D
[13:33]  * evilshadeslayer finds the closest large object and gives ubottu a slap with it
[13:34] <evilshadeslayer> hehe.. just trying out a script in weechat :D
[13:34] <apachelogger> slapping only in private channels please
[13:34] <evilshadeslayer> okies
[13:34] <apachelogger> this ought to stay child save I have been told
[13:35] <evilshadeslayer> :D
[13:36] <evilshadeslayer> gah!! LP doesnt want to increase my karma above 1499 :P
[13:40] <ScottK> imbrandon: Thanks for testing.
[13:40] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks again for the patch.  Maybe you can get apachelogger to commit it in KDE svn....
[13:41] <apachelogger> huh
[13:41] <apachelogger> what patch now?
[13:42] <ScottK> The display control revert thing.
[13:42]  * apachelogger is always sponsoring stuff and then gets beaten up for it ^^
[13:42] <ScottK> The one you uploaded for imbrandon.
[13:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, yeah, already on my todo
[13:42] <ScottK> Should go both in Trunk and the 4.4 branch, AFAICT.
[13:42] <ScottK> Great.
[13:44]  * apachelogger zsyncs iso
[13:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: am I right that kpk didnt throw those notifications about updates in karmic?
[13:46] <apachelogger> i.e. we patched it away?
[13:48]  * evilshadeslayer builds bespin from svn
[13:48] <apachelogger> gross
[13:49] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: i just want to try it out :P
[13:49] <apachelogger> even grosser
[13:49] <apachelogger> oh
[13:49] <apachelogger> my patch is not working \o/
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh
[13:52] <apachelogger> I think I know why
[13:52] <apachelogger> gross
[13:52] <apachelogger> too
[13:54] <apachelogger> "by the powers of quilt I command you refresh!"
[13:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the German and Swiss mirrors are pretty good ones
[13:55] <apachelogger> actually I think they are on the same server as the french mirror
[13:55] <apachelogger> IIRC they started some cooperation regarding servers of all kind
[13:55] <apachelogger> not sure if archives are affected
[13:56] <apachelogger> they have some seriously powerful stuff htough 6^
[13:56] <apachelogger> *though ^^
[13:56] <Mamarok> hm, I somehow doubt that, since I know the guys who do the Swiss mirror
[13:56] <apachelogger> oh, ok
[13:57] <apachelogger> http://www.ubuntu-eu.org/
[13:58] <Mamarok> nah, these are not the package mirrors, but the website server
[13:58] <apachelogger> ok
[13:58] <apachelogger> eitherway the austrian mirror is not very attracting and the austrian loco isnt either
[13:59] <Mamarok> the Swiss Ubuntu mirror is at the ETH (Switch)
[14:00]  * apachelogger should move to zurich, workf or google and conduct his studies at the ETH zurich
[14:00] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that sounds like a plan :)
[14:01] <apachelogger> yeah, the only show stopper is that I would have to search a new flat
[14:01] <Mamarok> or study in Lausanne at the ETH, in French/English
[14:01] <apachelogger> that is something I possibly hate more than bugs
[14:01] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I'd rather not study in french ^^
[14:01] <apachelogger> might be coutner producitve
[14:02]  * apachelogger thinks that it must be typo day again
[14:02] <Mamarok> or study in Fribourg (in German) and life at our place till you have found something
[14:02] <Mamarok> if you have no aversion against two cats
[14:02] <apachelogger> Mamarok: you understand this would mean that I will stay at your's until I leave for irland? :D
[14:02] <apachelogger> we got a cat here
[14:03] <apachelogger> a very annoying and gross one though
[14:03] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I have means to push you out of the door, don't worry
[14:03] <Mamarok> ours are annoying, especially the she-cat
[14:03] <Mamarok> she is very wordy
[14:03] <Mamarok> and fat
[14:03] <Mamarok> always complains there is not enough food, not enough cuddling
[14:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:04] <apachelogger> I see you always give in, since the cat is fat ^^
[14:04] <Mamarok> nah, she is born fat, I strugle to keep her in acceptable dimensions
[14:04] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[14:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "If I Had $1000000" by Barenaked Ladies [Rock Spectacle, 1996] [http://open.spotify.com/track/1btA9CwzPu12fWK1x1CEIW] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[14:05] <Mamarok> but markey might be the one fedding her behind my back
[14:05] <apachelogger> 1,000,000 $ that is like 10 EUR or something
[14:05] <apachelogger> you could get a floppy for that
[14:05] <apachelogger> Mamarok: hm, that indeed sounds possible
[14:06] <apachelogger> Mamarok: sometimes he has horrible response times, I always suspected he would be off cuddling with them cats
[14:06] <Mamarok> since she always goes to complain to him first, must be more effective than complaining to me
[14:06] <Mamarok> he sure does :)
[14:06] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hard_drive
[14:06] <apachelogger> yay
[14:06] <apachelogger> my patch works
[14:07] <apachelogger> uhhh
[14:07] <evilshadeslayer> this one is even better : http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Virus
[14:07] <apachelogger> ...male internet users download from the internet
[14:08] <apachelogger> as if one could download that anywhere else -.-
[14:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: It throws them and they are really annoying.
[14:09] <ScottK> BTW, if one accidentally cancels out the reboot required notification, it's gone and AFAICT stays gone.
[14:09] <apachelogger> ZFS: Zero File System. Suitable for applications needing to store zero or fewer gigabytes.
[14:09]  * apachelogger giggles
[14:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: there are two cancellations
[14:09] <ScottK> This could be considered a security issue, since until you reboot, you aren't running the new kernel and aren't protected by any fixes.
[14:09] <apachelogger> one being for this time and one permanent
[14:10] <apachelogger> lattter can be unset via a module somewhere in systemsettings
[14:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cancel the "Recent Notifications" thing and it's wiped out forever when you didn't even touch it.
[14:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: that would be former
[14:10] <ScottK> Which is most highly not desired behavior.
[14:10] <ScottK> Don't think so.
[14:11] <apachelogger> sure it is
[14:11]  * ScottK never saw it come back after that.
[14:11] <apachelogger> you cancelled all recent notification
[14:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: it will only come back once the reboot marker file was touched again
[14:12] <ScottK> Right, which is a regression.
[14:12] <apachelogger> is it?
[14:12] <ScottK> Before, persistent really meant persistent.
[14:12] <apachelogger> that you will have to discuss with upstream then
[14:12] <ScottK> When we had the icon in the tray it was always there until you rebooted.
[14:12] <apachelogger> well
[14:12] <apachelogger> that is silly too
[14:12] <apachelogger> what I would like to have is that it reoccurs everytime dpkg gets executed
[14:13] <apachelogger> or even better yet, everytime the cache gets updated
[14:13] <apachelogger> because that makes the notification more nagging
[14:13] <ScottK> I think before it was good.
[14:13] <apachelogger> and as you pointed out not rebooting is a potential security issue
[14:13] <ScottK> Now it's both more anoying and less effective.
[14:13] <apachelogger> so you want that particular notification to be super annoying
[14:13] <ScottK> I think you want it to be super persistent, not super annoying.
[14:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, we cant add the statusnotifier stuff at this point
[14:14] <ScottK> presumably if they don't reboot right away, there's a reason.
[14:14] <apachelogger> too much a risk of breakage + it breaks UI freeze quite a bit
[14:14] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:14] <apachelogger> + string freeze most likely
[14:14] <apachelogger> but I will see that statusnotifier lands in maverick ASAP
[14:14] <ScottK> Why we had to emulate the single most annoying thing Ayatana has done for Ubuntu, I have no idea.
[14:15] <apachelogger> actually it is the kpk appraoch of doing things
[14:15] <ScottK> I'd rather have had their notifications than this intermittent update notification stuff.
[14:15] <apachelogger> and someone claimed it is upstream's plan
[14:15] <ScottK> Broken by design.
[14:16] <ScottK> It both doesn't tell me I have updates when I do and then thinks to tell me I have them when I've already installed them.
[14:16] <apachelogger> while indeed that was not true at all, as I understand it, and what I want knh to do for maverick is drop a notification that is non-persistent AND show a statusnotifier
[14:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please give an option to turn off the notification then.
[14:17] <apachelogger> well, it is already there ;)
[14:17] <apachelogger> that ignore foreverever option in the notification
[14:17] <ScottK> OK.
[14:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's after the first one.
[14:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:17] <apachelogger> the KCM just needs a setting to switcht them all off at once
[14:17] <apachelogger> s/setting/button
[14:17] <ScottK> I think the statusnotifier is sufficient and would like to be able to not be bothered by the first one.
[14:17] <apachelogger> s/button/checkbox
[14:18] <evilshadeslayer> oh my
[14:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's a workspace update in my PPA that, I think, fixes the overlapping panel problem on netbook.  Would you be able to test it?
[14:19] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/Z9lfDkY.html
[14:20] <evilshadeslayer> bbl
[14:28] <txwikinger> How can I switch off the screensaver in lucid?
[14:29] <apachelogger> txwikinger: via the settings
[14:29] <txwikinger> Does not work apachelogger
[14:30] <apachelogger> evilnhandler: very nice
[14:30] <apachelogger> txwikinger: are you sure you are experiencing a screensaver?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> could I get a core-dev sponsor for http://pastebin.com/CkJ0HExf ? (Adds an explicit dependency on policykit-1, plus updates debian/copyright)
[14:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: are you all updated? there was bug 554069
[14:32] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Yeah.. it is the random screen saver that always starts up
[14:33] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:33] <apachelogger> dont have no screensavers here
[14:33] <txwikinger> I even switched into presentation mode and took off the screen saving options in all other profiles
[14:33] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I mean... in the screensaver  settings themselfs
[14:37] <txwikinger> apachelogger: It seems to be the bug
[14:37] <apachelogger> awesome
[14:37] <apachelogger> my knm is broken
[14:37] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:38] <apachelogger> there goes my good mood
[14:38] <txwikinger> I will see.. I have killed the process and upgraded the package
[14:38] <apachelogger> wow
[14:38] <apachelogger> not even ethernet works
[14:39] <apachelogger> network manager is so awesome it always makes me wonder how much more awesome software can be
[14:39] <txwikinger> I have a problem with network being started after desktop login
[14:40] <txwikinger> It creates some unresolvable dependencies with packages
[14:41] <txwikinger> how can you login with ldap server authentication if you have no network yet
[14:42] <txwikinger> or mount your home drive from a server
[14:43] <apachelogger> you are not supposed to
[14:43] <apachelogger> network manager was not inveted for useful things
[14:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I cant test, network is completely broken
[14:54] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is this a known notification bug? http://imagebin.ca/view/duuma3Y.html
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I've seen it before. Not much we can do about it from knh though
[14:55] <amichair> JontheEchidna: it's upstream? known?
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> let me check if it's known
[14:56] <txwikinger> Everytime I upgrade the weather widget does not work anymore
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> bug 219670
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> um
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 219670
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's slightly different
[14:58] <amichair> yeah, it's the complement of this bug
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 215346
[15:00] <amichair> That one looks related.  Maybe I'll add my screenshot to it
[15:04] <amichair> JontheEchidna: 10x
[15:05] <amichair> JontheEchidna: btw did u get around to checking the knh const iterator fixes I made?
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> amichair: is there a branch I can check?
[15:06] <amichair> JontheEchidna: https://code.launchpad.net/~amichai2/kubuntu-notification-helper/fixes
[15:07] <amichair> needs a bit of testing the various notifications to make sure it's ok, though as far as I can tell it's semantically equivalent
[15:07] <amichair> (I tend to opt for the safe side...)
[15:09] <amichair> this should prevent crahes like the one nixternal had but with the other notification types (and also a bit more optimized)
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> k, I'll do some testing then
[15:10] <amichair> JontheEchidna: you're a hellofa helpful fella ;-)
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> amichair: looks like hooks and codec install still work here
[15:18] <amichair> goody :-)
[15:37]  * ryanakca sighs and wonders why a DSC built in the sid chroot is lintian clean but one built in a lucid chroot isn't
[15:38] <ryanakca> Kobby built in lucid fails on: 'E: kobby: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/kobby /usr/lib' and 'E: kobby: lzma-deb-archive' ... but not for sid. Any ideas on the causes? My lucid chroot is up to date.
[15:39] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we compress our kde packages with lzma and I think we do not strip rpath no more
[15:40] <ScottK> Why don't we strip the archive.
[15:40] <ScottK> archive/rpath
[15:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: I wouldnt know
[15:41] <apachelogger> bit there is a build switch for it IIRC, and jr at some point said that we dont build without rpath anymore
[15:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: If we don't, someone should fix lintian in Ubuntu.
[15:42] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the complaint is valid
[15:42] <ScottK> OK.  I"ll ask him.
[15:42] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Well, it should be extended to say that this can be ignored for Ubuntu packages or something of the sort
[15:42] <ryanakca> ScottK: Hold off on the sync/ffe until it gets figured out?
[15:43] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is not the case
[15:43] <ScottK> ryanakca: No.   Go ahead.
[15:43] <apachelogger> + it would break existing translations
[15:49] <ryanakca> ScottK: Also, is there any need to keep libqinfinity1 in the archives (nothing uses libqinfinity apart from Kobby AFAIK), or will it disappear shortly?
[15:53] <ScottK> ryanakca: Once Kobby is uploaded it will go away semi-automatically.
[15:53] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK
[15:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: You can see here it's the only rdepend: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libqinfinity1
[15:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: And then once that's gone, libinfinity-0.3.0 can go too: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libinfinity-0.3-0
[15:54] <ryanakca> Cool
[15:59] <ScottK> debfx: I've verified reverting in both the display kcm and krandrtray are working now.  Very cool.  Thanks again.
[16:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: do you think we should land taglib 1.6.2?
[16:15] <apachelogger> has some interesting changes
[16:15]  * ScottK has no opinion.
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> it has a nice memleak fix0r
[16:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:17]  * apachelogger woud either cherry pick that or push 1.6.2
[16:18]  * apachelogger also notes that taglib hasn't had much regressions in his history
[16:49] <ScottK> apachelogger or JontheEchidna: Any ideas what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/557930/comments/12
[16:50] <ScottK> It seems Riddell's efforts to restore failsafe X weren't complete.
[16:51] <apachelogger> failsafe X made X fail, classic one
[16:51] <ScottK> Yeah, so seems like something your awesomeness could whip out a fix for in no time.
[16:53] <apachelogger> my awesomeness stated yesterday that I shall not do no development until api.kde.org
[16:53] <apachelogger> since that is not the case I doubt I will even click on that url :P
[16:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, btw, cant remember you mentioned that, but language-selector needs a search wiedget
[16:54] <apachelogger> widget
[16:54] <apachelogger> KDE got quite cool stock widgets for all sorts of list-like widgets
[16:54] <apachelogger> also, I think it should become more like the ktimezone widget in the plasma clock's config
[16:56] <apachelogger> adding a search to the date&time kcm's ktimezone widget was like 1 include and 1 sloc ^^
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'm afraid not
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ya, already in the SoC proposal ;)
[16:58] <apachelogger> kk
[17:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 363624 is the valid
[17:03] <apachelogger> perfeclty reproducable with german
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> :(
[17:04]  * ryanakca curses and wonders why Kobby 1.0~beta5-2 crashes a second after I start an infinoted server from the command line, but kobby 1.0~beta5-1 didn't.
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> you'd think it was written in python
[17:04] <apachelogger> maybe it was
[17:04] <apachelogger> then botconverted to cpp
[17:04] <apachelogger> and then you get that
[17:05] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[17:05] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[17:05] <apachelogger> I hink I know ^^
[17:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that message is most likely coming from mount directly
[17:06] <apachelogger> so there is probably som bogus or missing encoding conversion going on
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> life would be so much easier if everybody just used QString()
[17:07] <apachelogger> weeeh
[17:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: checkout the readme
[17:07] <apachelogger> runtime/kioslaves/floppy
[17:07]  * Mamarok shakes her head at this siren sound coming from this channel, that hurt!
[17:07] <apachelogger> well, we are working here :P
[17:07] <apachelogger> everyone must know
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> "this is an ioslave for KDE 2/3...."
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> lulz
[17:08]  * apachelogger got yesterday thrown out of #ubuntu because he was dragging around bug corps again
[17:08] <apachelogger> no appreciation for bug hunters
[17:08] <apachelogger> horrible
[17:08] <apachelogger> really :(
[17:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the sentence following that is proofing me right
[17:09] <apachelogger> not that someone like me needs proof of anything :P
[17:09] <apachelogger> my work here is done
[17:10]  * apachelogger leaves the rest to JontheEchidna, hands Mamarok a cookie and a cup of tea, gets some tea for himself and enjoys the strange weather
[17:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, it is using qstring
[17:12] <apachelogger> seems it just needs to do some funny encoding conversion
[17:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: or maybe it is not coming from the slave at all :S
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> :S
[17:25] <apachelogger> no
[17:25] <apachelogger> that is coming from either hal, or solid, or dolphin, or some patch we apply somewhere
[17:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: either hal or solid
[17:31] <apachelogger> cant get no kde debug messages from all that
[17:36] <apachelogger> dont get no error on hal
[17:36] <apachelogger> kernel however properly glots the faile dIO
[17:36] <apachelogger> *failed IO
[17:37] <apachelogger> now either whatever tries this mount is very very very undebugable or it just hates me
[17:42] <apachelogger> ha
[17:42] <apachelogger> plymouth theme looks funny in vm
[17:42] <apachelogger> I wonder if it looks like that on nvidia
[17:42] <apachelogger> got something artistic to it ^^
[17:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lucid message is more useful, it defenitely is solid or hal, in precise it refers to the UnknownFailure signal from hal
[17:49] <apachelogger> it doesnt seem that the mount error is translated though
[17:49]  * apachelogger installs to check again
[17:49] <apachelogger> did I mention that I do not think the ubiqiuty icon very installer-like?
[17:51] <debfx> has anyone else noticed that System Settings and KPackageKit are sometimes missing from the Computer menu in kickoff?
[17:51] <debfx> this patch seems to fix it but i'm not completely sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/412666/
[17:52] <apachelogger> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=86955
[17:53] <apachelogger> kde bug 232729
[17:53] <apachelogger> lp bug 550763
[17:54] <apachelogger> http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=15638
[17:54] <apachelogger> debfx: most proofing ^
[17:54] <apachelogger> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110800.0
[17:55] <apachelogger> oh :(
[17:55] <apachelogger> ubiquity is stil a cpu hog
[17:55] <apachelogger> :(
[17:55]  * ScottK has some more workspace changes, so please don't upload workspace again (yet)
[17:56] <apachelogger> debfx: I would poke someone in #plasma
[17:57] <debfx> apachelogger: ah thanks, could you set that lp bug to confirmed?
[17:58] <apachelogger> debfx: needs to be fixed upstream :P
[17:58] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I talked to lure and upstream, they recommend to ship kipi and digikam 1.2 with lucid. Do you think this is possible?
[17:58] <apachelogger> neversfelde: needs feature freeze exception, string freeze exception and ui freeze exception I suppose
[17:59] <apachelogger> other than that it shouldnt be a prob
[17:59] <apachelogger> better than have broken digikam, like we had in karmic
[17:59] <neversfelde> ok, I will try to get the exceptions
[18:00] <apachelogger> woosh
[18:00] <debfx> apachelogger: if we are going to hide it from the settings menu we should make sure that it's displayed in the computer menu ;)
[18:01] <apachelogger> hm hm hm
[18:01]  * apachelogger goes reverting stuff in kds
[18:01] <apachelogger> debfx: it is in the favs by default :P
[18:01] <verbalshadow> apachelogger: did you get networkmanager working again?
[18:01] <apachelogger> no
[18:01]  * apachelogger didnt try
[18:01] <apachelogger> it shall go burn in hell
[18:01]  * apachelogger uses low level iftools now
[18:02] <verbalshadow> does the kde networking management work with wicd
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu: Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>kubuntu-default-settings/ (share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc debian/changelog): (log message trimmed)
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu: * Remove kglobalshortcutsrc:
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  + Amarok shortcut changes break compability with upstream, with previous
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  releases and with keyboards that have no media keys (chances are higher
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  you got a windows key than fancy media keys) LP: #560773
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  + The KWin shortcuts do not work (as per some bug report we won'tfixed
[18:05] <CIA-6> kubuntu:  because upstream thinks kwin uses too many shortcuts already and app devs
[18:06] <verbalshadow> the only major issue i have with NM is sometime after coming out of standby it is disabled and you can't re-enable it with knetworkmanager so i have to use nm-applet
[18:10] <apachelogger> it is to be crying
[18:10] <apachelogger> bug 560527
[18:11] <apachelogger> what is that supposed to be
[18:11]  * ScottK can't replicate the overlapping widget problem now.
[18:12]  * apachelogger is still installing
[18:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:12] <apachelogger> not even through the installer
[18:12] <apachelogger> oh
[18:12] <apachelogger> and crappy music
[18:12]  * apachelogger goes mad and deletes all that junk
[18:14] <apachelogger> ...
[18:14] <apachelogger> and then amarok hung
[18:14] <apachelogger> ...
[18:15] <apachelogger> and then apachelogger became even more angry than the network manager incident had made him already and threatens to eat kittens if this doesnt stop
[18:15] <ScottK> Of course as soon as I mark the bug incomplete, it happens again.
[18:16] <apachelogger> oh my :(
[18:16]  * apachelogger waves good bye to amarok
[18:16] <apachelogger> markey: amarok does the crashy crashy when you delete junk via the collection widget
[18:17] <apachelogger> fortunately enough ubuntu is using apport so I cant get a sensible backtrace for you
[18:17] <apachelogger> I am sure you dont need one, if ubuntu doesnt, why would you
[19:01] <apachelogger> how unfortunate
[19:01] <apachelogger> I told ubiquity it should skip downloading langpacks
[19:01] <apachelogger> and now I dont see it anymore
[19:02] <apachelogger> No one likes me, not even ubiquity :'(
[19:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: please accept the invitation for the kc.
[19:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: I like you :D
[19:08] <apachelogger> :)
[19:09] <apachelogger> jussi01: only jr is admin
[19:09] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok.
[19:09] <apachelogger> I'll poke him should he ever return
[19:09] <lex79> what boredom with xscreensaver package
[19:10] <apachelogger> all of a sudden it was super important that it autostarted
[19:10] <apachelogger> 6 years no one gave a shit
[19:10]  * apachelogger is annoyed by that madness TBH
[19:11] <apachelogger> neither did anyone bother to read the changelog
[19:11] <lex79> nope
[19:12] <apachelogger> oh, right, and upstream KDE refuses to update the kde-l10n-sv package so it FTBFS
[19:12] <apachelogger> I suppose there will be no kde-l10n-sv package of decent version in lucid
[19:14]  * apachelogger sighs and continues cleaning up his collection
[19:18]  * ScottK wonders how the xscreensaver package is installed at all.
[19:18]  * ScottK thinks it should not be.
[19:19] <ScottK> Then whoever installs it probably wants it started.
[19:19] <apachelogger> I think it is dep of quite some stuff
[19:20] <apachelogger> at the very least it will get in by installing an addtional -desktop thingy
[19:20] <apachelogger> Like for example Xubuntu
[19:20] <apachelogger> Of course in those cases it is still not desired to have it autostart when the user really uses another screensaver implementation.
[19:21] <apachelogger> And there is the technical problem. Currently you don't know what the user wants to use.
[19:23] <ScottK> Fair enough
[19:24]  * ScottK wonders if debfx is up for teaching currentappcontrol in plasma/netbook (workspace) not to go nuts and over fill the netbook panel?
[19:24]  * apachelogger quite frankly does not get why every other screensaver implementation is opt-in while xscreensaver should be opt-out though
[19:25] <ScottK> True.
[19:25] <ScottK> debfx: If the answer is yes, Bug #540324 is the reference.
[19:26] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks for the cookie :) I just have to get fresh tea now, sadly was AFK and it's cold now
[19:26] <apachelogger> :)
[19:28] <ScottK> Tm_T: Would you please retest powerpc Live CD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20100411/ - the desktop should look right now.
[19:34] <Tm_T> ScottK: will do
[20:11] <lex79> apachelogger: what is opt-in and opt-out? :(
[20:13] <ghostcube_maemo> o/
[20:49] <apachelogger> lex79: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060901171635AAeQGNq
[20:51] <lex79> oh
[20:51] <lex79> thanks
[21:00]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell
[21:01] <Tm_T> ScottK: works beautifully
[21:02] <Riddell> good evening Tm_T
[21:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: so, now we have working PPC livecd (:)
[21:05] <debfx> ScottK: to me it looks like the activity bar applet won't get smaller
[21:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: awooga
[21:07]  * Tm_T huggles ScottK
[21:07] <Tm_T> now I have to go to sleep, good night everyone
[21:08] <ScottK> debfx: Any idea how to fix it?
[21:11] <debfx> ScottK: not yet
[21:12] <ScottK> It'd be cool if you could figure it out.  That's the biggest usability issue with Kubunt Netbook at the moment.
[21:19] <debfx> is there a way to parallel build kdebase-workspace?
[21:24] <lex79> apachelogger: if we don't want fix bug 553462
[21:24] <lex79> can you write your thoughts to explain why we don't want fix, please?
[21:29]  * apachelogger waves to Riddell
[21:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu-council team should have gotten an invitation jussi01 mentioned
[21:29] <jussi01> apachelogger: 3 of them...
[21:30] <apachelogger> oh my ^^
[21:30] <apachelogger> lex79: now, do I really have to ? :/
[21:30] <apachelogger> lex79: didnt I wontfix at some point?
[21:30]  * apachelogger seems to remember something like this
[21:31] <lex79> yeah, you really have to becuase they continue to ask me if we want fix
[21:31] <lex79> they want that package into cd
[21:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: an invitation?  to a party?
[21:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: unfortunately not, but to some IRC op magic stuff on launchpad :)
[21:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: also see the mail I sent sometime yesterday
[21:32] <maco> Riddell: should we be calling it e-post instead of e-mail for you?
[21:32]  * maco ducks
[21:33] <apachelogger> hm, someone needs to explain me that one some time
[21:34] <apachelogger> lex79: or did I just say that it is a phony idea?
[21:34]  * apachelogger is not sleeping enough and cant remember things that he might have done 10 days ago :(
[21:35] <maco> apachelogger: british people send letters in the post.  americans send letters in the mail.  Riddell is british.
[21:35] <lex79> apachelogger: well, you can say is a phony idea and we will find a solution for maverick :P
[21:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: just to be confusing we use Royal Mail to send our post while they use US Postal Service to send their mail
[21:35] <apachelogger> maco: Riddell is scottish very much I am sure
[21:36] <maco> apachelogger: scotland is in britain
[21:36] <maco> Riddell would add "for now" i think
[21:36]  * apachelogger is with Riddell on that :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: makes perfect sense Oo
[21:36] <apachelogger> I suppose
[21:36] <maco> Riddell: did you see yesterday's Doctor Who?
[21:36] <apachelogger> lex79: well, I do find it is and I dont think we will
[21:36] <maco> there's a joke about uk v. scotland in it
[21:37] <apachelogger> lex79: that issue is on our todo for 5 years or so
[21:37] <apachelogger> lex79: I think we even had it spec'd up at some point
[21:37] <apachelogger> just not resolved :(
[21:37] <lex79> apachelogger: or we can add that package into cd :P and stop to make users annoying
[21:37] <apachelogger> no
[21:38] <lex79> apachelogger: it was in todo list in karmic and lucid afaik
[21:38] <apachelogger> because the underlying implementation is partially borken and crap
[21:38] <apachelogger> it would only unleash a billion more reports
[21:38] <lex79> ok
[21:38] <apachelogger> if anything then we should patch the sharing tab away unless the KCM is installed
[21:38] <apachelogger> which is something that should be done upstream to begin with
[21:38] <apachelogger> ...see
[21:38] <apachelogger> broken
[21:39] <Riddell> maco: I did not no
[21:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:39] <apachelogger> :O
[21:39] <apachelogger> omg
[21:39] <maco> Riddell: pm
[21:39]  * apachelogger is disappointed in Riddell :(
[21:39]  * maco saw it
[21:39] <apachelogger> maco++
[21:41] <apachelogger> anyone wanna package grantlee?
[21:42] <apachelogger> lex79: cant you just close the bug and say that we dont like filesharing?
[21:42] <lex79> buahah :D
[21:43] <lex79> ok I will do
[21:43] <apachelogger> lex79: Better yet, say our legal department advised us not implement filesharing by default ;)
[21:43] <lex79> omg
[21:43] <apachelogger> I already see the replies ^^
[21:43] <apachelogger> "but that is not illegal!!! :("
[21:43] <apachelogger> "so why is it in ubuntu?"
[21:43] <apachelogger> "but mimimi"
[21:43]  * apachelogger always wondered how to pronounce that
[21:44] <apachelogger> http://phj.at/mimimi.jpg
[21:44] <lex79> LoL
[21:44] <apachelogger> It must be jolly hard to get the perfect mimimi sound really.
[21:47] <apachelogger> hm.
[21:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: On latest lucid Amarok is restoring from tray to a rathrer odd and small size, I didn't notice this before, could this be because of some Kubuntu change?
[21:50] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the default size at first start is tiny, I was also wondering. So are the font sizes, tiny, I changed everything to 9, the default 8 was too small on this screen
[21:50] <Mamarok> but I have a huge resolution on this laptop
[21:51] <apachelogger> well, I am on dual head
[21:51] <Mamarok> 1920x1200
[21:51] <apachelogger> Still, when restoring it should restore to the previous size it had, not the default size.
[21:52] <apachelogger> And given that I did not notice this before, it probably did so, until I wiped my data today *shrug*.
[21:52] <Mamarok> I think that is a Qt bug, not specific to Kubuntu, but ask markey, he knows better
[21:52] <apachelogger> markey: ^
[21:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball shall I make coffee?
[21:52]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... yes
[21:52] <apachelogger> cool
[21:53] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the git version restores correctly here
[22:43] <apachelogger> lex79: I just lol'd because of Malte's very true comment ;)
[22:53] <apachelogger> it seems its not rekonq that eats my X, it is webkit
[22:53]  * apachelogger switches konqueror to khtml
[22:54] <debfx> ScottK: I've attached a patch on bug #540324
[23:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/apachelogger/t127083720323
[23:16] <jussi01> hrrr
[23:16] <jussi01> something is borked...
[23:16] <jussi01> or Im doing it wrong,
[23:16] <jussi01> jussi@Galaxy:~/Downloads$ wine "Spotify Installer.exe"
[23:16] <jussi01> Warning: could not find DOS drive for current working directory '/home/jussi/Downloads', starting in the Windows directory.
[23:16] <jussi01> wine: cannot find 'Spotify Installer.exe'
[23:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: from that message I would suppose that your wine cfg is busted an that your home is not represented as a drive inside wine, hence it can then not access the exe
[23:19] <apachelogger> that is however just an assumption and #wine will probably know better ^^
[23:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: let me look...
[23:19] <apachelogger> anyone up for uno?
[23:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 1
[23:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: theres a decent game of wolfie going atm (or there was)
[23:20] <apachelogger> I do lik UNO better anyway :)
[23:20] <apachelogger> s/lik/like
[23:21] <jussi01> apachelogger: fixed, thanks
[23:21] <jussi01> (the autodetect is very cool)
[23:21] <apachelogger> magic
[23:21] <apachelogger> oh dear
[23:22]  * apachelogger needs to repatch akonadi
[23:22] <jussi01> apachelogger: can you sync something for me?
[23:22] <apachelogger> jussi01: sync?
[23:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: are we allowed to pull things from debian still?
[23:23] <jussi01> !info qutecom
[23:23] <apachelogger> Only canonical archive admins can do syncing.
[23:23] <jussi01> !info qutecom unstable
[23:23] <apachelogger> !info qutecom lucid
[23:24] <jussi01> whoops
[23:24] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, you'd need to file a sync request ;)
[23:24] <apachelogger> Have a MOTU ACK it. Then get Riddell to execute the sync.
[23:25] <jussi01> apachelogger: I dont remember what needs tobe in that. have you a nice link for me?
[23:25] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[23:25]  * apachelogger got all them fancy lynx ^^
[23:25] <apachelogger> oh right
[23:25] <jussi01> :D
[23:25] <lex79> apachelogger: Malt must become kubuntu-developer with immediate effect :D
[23:25] <apachelogger> you need a freeze exeception too
[23:25] <apachelogger> Though.
[23:26] <jussi01> apachelogger: not worth it. the changes arent that huge
[23:26] <apachelogger> You can probably get that along the sync request, since jr can give exceptions.
[23:26] <apachelogger> jussi01: oh, ok
[23:26] <lex79> apachelogger: that bug report seems a war now :)
[23:26] <jussi01> apachelogger: and it works at the moment, which is positive
[23:28] <apachelogger> lex79: You could actually try recruiting him. And I think it became a war field when I uploaded, because I said earlier, no one likes me.
[23:28] <apachelogger> jussi01: God knows for how long ;)
[23:29] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[23:30] <apachelogger> Well. If it it was like your l10n, then every hour of the day, there is a 3.82% chance of breakage...
[23:31] <jussi01> hahahah
[23:32] <apachelogger> Like every upload of kdelibs in KDE 3 times had a 86.22% chance of failing to build in a new fancy way, with a new fancy message so that all that is depending on it breask in the a new fancy way and you almost wet yourself because you just broke all of Kubuntu.
[23:34] <apachelogger> claydoh: \o/
[23:34] <claydoh> apachelogger: ok, what did I do now ;)
[23:35] <apachelogger> nothing
[23:35] <apachelogger> but
[23:35] <apachelogger> jussi01, lex79, claydoh: how about a round of uno?
[23:35] <jussi01> apachelogger: ahhh fine
[23:35] <claydoh> ok what was I supposed to do that I didn't?
[23:35] <jussi01> #uno?
[23:35] <lex79> no for me thanks :)
[23:35]  * apachelogger pokes lex79
[23:35] <apachelogger> imbrandon: o/
[23:35] <apachelogger> jussi01: in here ;)
[23:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno
[23:35] <kubotu> Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in
[23:35] <jussi01> o.O
[23:35] <imbrandon> apachelogger, ello
[23:36] <apachelogger> imbrandon: type ... jo
[23:36] <apachelogger> we are playing uno ;)
[23:36] <claydoh> jo
[23:36] <kubotu> claydoh joins this game of UNO!
[23:36] <jussi01> jo
[23:36] <kubotu> jussi01 joins this game of UNO!
[23:36] <kubotu> game will start in 20 seconds
[23:36] <imbrandon> hehe, not atm, in a few maybe
[23:36] <apachelogger> kk ^^
[23:36]  * apachelogger pokes lex79
[23:36] <maco> jo
[23:36] <kubotu> maco joins this game of UNO!
[23:36] <lex79> apachelogger: I can't now :(
[23:36] <apachelogger> yay
[23:36] <kubotu> UNO! playing turn: claydoh jussi01 maco
[23:36] <kubotu> claydoh deals the first card from the stock
[23:36] <kubotu> Current discard:  Red 5
[23:36] <kubotu> it's jussi01's turn
[23:36] <maco> woah it sent me cards!
[23:37] <jussi01> so how?
[23:37] <apachelogger> jussi01: kubotu queried you with your cards
[23:37] <apachelogger> help
[23:37] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno
[23:37] <kubotu> UNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to
[23:37] <kubotu> select Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is.
[23:37] <jussi01> pl red skip
[23:37] <kubotu> what cards were that again?
[23:37] <claydoh> ok its too hard already :)
[23:38] <apachelogger> jussi01: rs
[23:38] <jussi01> pl rs
[23:38] <kubotu> jussi01 plays  Red Skip
[23:38] <kubotu> maco skips a turn!
[23:38] <kubotu> it's claydoh's turn
[23:38] <claydoh> ca
[23:38] <kubotu> claydoh: 7, jussi01: 6, maco: 7
[23:38] <apachelogger> oh
[23:38] <apachelogger> jo
[23:38] <kubotu> apachelogger joins this game of UNO!
[23:38] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:38] <apachelogger> I was already wondering
[23:38] <jussi01> lol
[23:38] <maco> ooh it tells us how many cards we have
[23:38] <maco> when it says 1 we have to say uno though right? or do we have to do it before it gets to it?
[23:39] <txwikinger> apachelogger: It was the bug.. screensaver is off now
[23:39] <apachelogger> you dont need to I tink
[23:39] <crimsun> geez you people don't have enough bugs to squash :-)
[23:39] <maco> wait is uno a bluffing game too?
[23:39] <imbrandon> lol
[23:39] <txwikinger> uno?
[23:39] <jussi01> crimsun: its sunday :P
[23:39] <apachelogger> txwikinger: please comment, so that the XFCE guys stop beating on my sponsors
[23:39] <apachelogger> txwikinger: type jo
[23:39] <claydoh> help uno rules
[23:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno rules
[23:39] <kubotu> play all your cards, one at a time, by matching either the color or the value of the currently discarded card. cards with special effects: Skip (next player skips a turn), Reverse (reverses the playing order), +2 (next player has to take 2 cards). Wilds can be played on any card, and you must specify the color for the next card. Wild +4 also forces the next player to take 4 cards, but it can only be played if you can't
[23:39] <kubotu> play a color card. you can play another +2 or +4 card on a +2 card, and a +4 on a +4, forcing the first player who can't play one to pick the cumulative sum of all cards. you can also play a Reverse on a +2 or +4, bouncing the effect back to the previous player (that now comes next).
[23:39] <maco> actually i shoul stuff for physics exam tomorrow
[23:39] <txwikinger> comment on what apachelogger
[23:40] <apachelogger> txwikinger: the bug report
[23:40] <crimsun> jussi01: what difference does that make? :-)
[23:40] <txwikinger> apachelogger: ok
[23:40]  * persia sees this as a clear need for the #kubuntu-uno channel
[23:40] <apachelogger> tu
[23:40] <kubotu> it's claydoh's turn
[23:40] <claydoh> cd
[23:40] <kubotu> Current discard:  Red Skip
[23:40] <jussi01> persia: you are correct
[23:41] <jussi01> apachelogger: we should move this from the work channel
[23:41] <claydoh> skip
[23:41] <apachelogger> does anyone need to do work right now?
[23:41] <jussi01> and hai persia!
[23:41] <maco> oh there he is
[23:41] <apachelogger> claydoh: you must do pe
[23:41] <apachelogger> to pick a card
[23:41] <maco> i saw people talking to you and didnt see ya there, persia
[23:42] <claydoh> arg
[23:42] <claydoh> pe
[23:42] <kubotu> claydoh picks a card
[23:42] <txwikinger> as long as uno does not use mono!
[23:42] <apachelogger> claydoh: and now pa
[23:42] <apachelogger> to pass
[23:42] <imbrandon> :( /me likes mono
[23:42] <apachelogger> txwikinger: now that would be redundant
[23:42] <claydoh> pa
[23:42] <kubotu> claydoh passes turn
[23:42] <kubotu> it's jussi01's turn
[23:42] <jussi01> pl r6
[23:42] <kubotu> you don't have that card
[23:42] <jussi01> pl r7
[23:42] <kubotu> jussi01 plays  Red 7
[23:42] <kubotu> it's maco's turn
[23:42] <maco> pl r7
[23:42] <kubotu> maco plays  Red 7
[23:42] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[23:42] <txwikinger> imbrandon: It is not a matter of liking but a matter of legal risk
[23:42] <apachelogger> jussi01: should I file an off-by-one report against you ? ;)
[23:43] <apachelogger> pl w g
[23:43] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Wild
[23:43] <kubotu> color is now  Green
[23:43] <kubotu> it's claydoh's turn
[23:43]  * genii pops in and sees an Uno game in progress, makes more coffee
[23:43] <jussi01> apachelogger: you should file a "you need sleep" report
[23:43]  * apachelogger notes to do that after the game
[23:43] <claydoh> pl b0
[23:43] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[23:43] <apachelogger> genii: in stead of making coffee you could really join ;)
[23:43] <imbrandon> txwikinger, i know what you ment, but i dont see any risk :)
[23:44] <genii> apachelogger: Next game maybe
[23:44] <claydoh> ook how to quit?
[23:44] <maco> claydoh: green
[23:44] <claydoh> jo
[23:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: seriously though, after this game, can we have kubotu join something like #kubuntu-uno or #kubuntu-playtime ?
[23:44] <kubotu> you're already in the game, claydoh
[23:44] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno admin
[23:44] <kubotu> The game manager (the user that started the game) can execute the following commands to manage it: 'uno drop <user>' to drop a user from the game (any user can drop itself using 'uno drop'); 'uno replace <old> [with] <new>' to replace a player with someone else (useful in case of disconnects); 'uno transfer [to] <nick>' to transfer game ownership to someone else; 'uno end' to end the game before its natural completion
[23:44] <apachelogger> claydoh: uno drop to kubotu
[23:44] <txwikinger> imbrandon: the issue with the patents have not been vetted by any lawyer with patent experience yet
[23:44] <jussi01> uno drop jussi01
[23:45] <jussi01> kubotu: uno drop jussi01
[23:45] <kubotu> jussi01, you don't have 'uno::manage::drop::other' permissions here
[23:45] <txwikinger> There is quite a risk
[23:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno drop claydoh
[23:45] <kubotu> claydoh gives up this game of UNO!
[23:45] <apachelogger> tu
[23:45] <kubotu> it's jussi01's turn
[23:45] <maco> jussi01: dont say your name
[23:45] <jussi01> kubotu: uno drop
[23:45] <kubotu> jussi01 gives up this game of UNO!
[23:45] <apachelogger> pff
[23:45] <apachelogger> everyone is leaving the ship
[23:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno end
[23:45] <kubotu> UNO! game halted after 8 minutes and 43 seconds
[23:45] <kubotu> maco still had  Blue +2   Blue 2   Green 3   Green 6   Red 4   Yellow 3
[23:45] <kubotu> apachelogger still had  Blue +2   Blue 6   Green +2   Green 0   Wild +4   Yellow 9
[23:45] <imbrandon> txwikinger, they dont have to be, there is case law that uphold the "promises" MS made
[23:45] <jussi01> its sinkin
[23:46]  * apachelogger notes to not start games when the IRCC lord is around :P
[23:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[23:46] <txwikinger> imbrandon: Under which legal principle? Promises are not contracts an can be revoked at any time
[23:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: /join #kubuntu-playtime
[23:46] <persia> txwikinger: Depends on jurisdiction: in some jurisdictions verbal agreements are binding.
[23:47] <txwikinger> And as you can see re IBM it is often done
[23:47] <txwikinger> persia: Yes.. if there was a valid legal agreement, which a promise is not
[23:47] <txwikinger> a valid legal agreement requires consideration from both sides
[23:47] <imbrandon> txwikinger, yes they are, but they are also seen by courts as to their intention , e.g. let me find you the case where it was used in recent memory that i'm thinking about
[23:48] <txwikinger> imbrandon: Well there is a case of promisary estopple by Lord Denning (actually Master of the Roel at the time)
[23:48] <persia> txwikinger: Not everywhere, but this isn't the forum for it: ask your counsel regarding your jurisdiction, that of your counterparty, and any specific jurisdiction noted in any agreement :)
[23:48] <apachelogger> kubotu: join #kubuntu-playtime
[23:48]  * apachelogger comamnds everyone to join #kubuntu-playtime
[23:48] <txwikinger> persia: I have a law degree
[23:48] <apachelogger> especially DarkwingDuck :P
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: :P
[23:50] <imbrandon> txwikinger, and you dont take promisary estopple for what it is ? its been upheld many times over the years
[23:50] <apachelogger> txwikinger: #kubuntu-playtime
[23:50] <imbrandon> anyhow persia this prob isnth the place for the convo ;)
[23:50] <txwikinger> imbrandon: well there are cases after it for both
[23:50] <imbrandon> err persia is right*
[23:51] <txwikinger> and also, promisary estopple only applies for the past, it does not prevent a change of mind and notice and hence a change from then on
[23:51] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for the patch.  I'll give it a try.
[23:52] <imbrandon> there is one now in the courts , that envolves that actual promis and 2 of the patents from MS and MS was forced to drop those 2 ( of the 160 it was seeking from the defendant )
[23:52]  * txwikinger wonders where the ubuntu-legal channel is
[23:53] <txwikinger> imbrandon: jurisdiction? parties?
[23:55] <imbrandon> txwikinger, was looking it up when you said you had a law degree and knew about promisary estopple , lol, lemme look, the case was US and it was MS vs .....
[23:55] <imbrandon> lemme poke for it and i will query you with it, brb in a sec though, need a soda
[23:55] <txwikinger> imbrandon: thanks
[23:58] <txwikinger> In any way.. I think it would be difficult to rely on promisary estopple in all generality, since most people do not have an existing contract with MS
[23:59] <imbrandon> txwikinger, and even more arent covered by their patents :)
[23:59] <imbrandon> btw back ;)


[04:36] <GadgetGeek> I need to speak to a +f op on #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:37] <Flannel> GadgetGeek: How can we help you?
[04:37] <GadgetGeek> are you +f in chanserv
[04:37] <Flannel> GadgetGeek: Lets ignore that for the time being.  How can we help you?
[04:38] <GadgetGeek> you can't
[04:38]  * GadgetGeek demands to be made an op
[04:38] <GadgetGeek> you cannot do that without +f
[04:38] <GadgetGeek> joking
[04:39] <GadgetGeek> bye
[04:39] <Unit193> GadgetGeek: Same answer as in ##networking, no.
[04:46] <ANTILGBT> I ask that all freenode Admins and all Channel ops ban all LGBT supporters on site
[04:47] <Unit193> HFS!  You're back!  Hello!
[04:48] <ANTILGBT> yes im back
[04:48] <ANTILGBT> but now i ask that people not support LGBT
[04:48] <ANTILGBT> its disgusting
[04:49] <ANTILGBT> i mean bruce jenner? WTF
[04:49] <Unit193> Shuuush, I'm watching TV now.    We must stop him!


[01:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#2788 closed: Release changelog for 3.9.1 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2788>
[09:10] <mup> PR snapd#7716 closed: interfaces/lxd-support: Fix on core18 <Simple 😃> <Created by stgraber> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7716>
[09:34] <mup> PR snapd#7696 closed: cmd/snap,image: initial support for Core 20 in prepare-image with test <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7696>
[09:37] <mup> PR snapd#7681 closed: tests: fix for journalctl which is failing to restart <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7681>
[09:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#2789 closed: tests: update the push and release tests for staging <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2789>
[09:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#2770 closed: extensions: speed up desktop-launch by not calling mkdir -p <Created by galgalesh> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2770>
[09:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#2790 closed: tests: skip spread tests for rust on s390x <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2790>


[01:16] <genii-around> I guess that's what you get for idling... ;)
[01:16] <pmatulis> @comment 43860 that was a test guys!
[01:25] <IdleOne> that was uncalled for and mean. I am reporting you for op abuse
[01:26] <IdleOne> :P
[01:26] <pmatulis> awwww
[02:00] <boxybrown> this is the most unhelpful channel
[02:00] <boxybrown> but FYI, I fixed my problem
[02:01] <boxybrown> it ended up being a VM + Linux Kernel issue
[02:01] <boxybrown> http://ubuntuguide.net/virtualbox-4-on-ext4-error-host-io-cache-will-now-be-enabled
[02:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol @ opabuse :P
[04:05] <cruiseoveride> Hey guys, I need some help with software raid
[04:05] <cruiseoveride> Is this the right place to ask?
[04:07] <cruiseoveride> I created an md1 (radi1) with sdb1 and the 2nd drive missing. I then ran mkfs on md1, mounted it, copied some files, and then umounted, rebooted. Now i cant mount md1. Says there is no filesystem
[04:07] <cruiseoveride> be right back
[04:08] <cxo> Right, back.
[04:18] <cxo> Is there a better channel for mdadm questions?
[04:56] <haha> hi
[04:57] <haha> could anyone kindly help me download this file please:http://www.filesonic.com/file/2311849181/0470540834.pdf
[05:24] <twb> Is there a way to get I/O stats for tmpfses?
[06:54] <ClayFig> hey does anyone here test security?
[08:00] <jamespage> morning all
[08:05] <lynxman> jamespage: morning!
[08:07] <daxroc> morning
[08:09] <daxroc> Has anyone encounterd nfs issues where it times out most of the time but does eventualy connect? ubuntu 10.10, nfs v3 on both ends
[08:10] <twb> daxroc: at boot?
[08:10] <daxroc> twb: no, manual mounts. autofs fails too with timeouts
[08:11] <twb> haven't seen that, no
[08:11] <twb> I know the boot process as at lucid has cyclic dependencies (i.e. never works) for some NFS use cases
[08:12] <daxroc> It seems to work fine on fresh installs, but dist upgrades seem to have problems
[08:12] <twb> Hm, the main difference I know of is that hardy had server-side groups off, and lucid had them on
[08:13] <twb> Which only matters if your NFS server can't resolve uids/gids on its own exports
[08:14] <twb> daxroc: I would be doing some tcpdumping and rpcinfo -p'ing and such, see if you can spot a bork-bork
[08:14] <jamespage> lynxman, morning
[08:38] <daxroc> twp only thing that stands out in the tcpdump is .rpassword incorrect for the two hosts
[08:43] <AdvoWork> to install the man pages, is it sudo apt-get install man or manpages or both, as i see both exist?
[08:43] <ikonia> AdvoWork: the man pages are installed by default
[08:44] <ikonia> AdvoWork: you shouldn't need to install them
[08:45] <AdvoWork> ikonia, hmm, ive just used debian and xen to install ubuntu 10.04 server,and its sort of installed a bare bones system, ive had to install like vim, ssh etc, and it doesnt appear to have man either
[08:46] <ikonia> AdvoWork: what install media did you use
[08:51] <AdvoWork> ikonia, on the debian machine, i specified the link for lucid # mirror_lucid = http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:51] <AdvoWork> and installed via xen that way
[08:51] <AdvoWork> it seems to have installed, but as i say, barebones
[08:51] <ikonia> AdvoWork: no, I asked what ubuntu install media you used
[08:53] <AdvoWork> well, i specified that path, xen downloaded and installed it, is that what you mean?
[08:53] <ikonia> so you didn't install from an iso for example ?
[08:55] <AdvoWork> no
[08:55] <AdvoWork> first time ive ever made an ubuntu VM, and it seemed to go ok, but im wondering if it didnt now
[08:56] <ikonia> I'd suggest using one of the iso images so that it goes through the proper install process, gets the right packages, configures them etc etc
[09:15] <AdvoWork> ikonia, not that easy with xen
[09:16] <ikonia> AdvoWork: really, I've never had an issue with it
[09:16] <AdvoWork> how would I specify it then? instead of a mirror, in the /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.conf? this is only what ive been told mind you
[09:17] <ikonia> let me see if I can grab a read through the docs, I've not used xen for ages since kvm came usable
[09:18] <ikonia> --mirror=/file/system/location/file.iso
[09:23] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:25] <AdvoWork> ikonia, ok cool, and one further thing, would it be this file? http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.3-server-amd64.iso
[09:27] <ikonia> AdvoWork: that looks like the current 10.4 64bit iso
[09:27] <AdvoWork> cool
[09:27] <jamespage> hallyn_: yesterdays libvirt update looks to have fixed the spawning multiple machines with lxc error in nvoa
[09:28] <jamespage> I've hit something racey on termination though - looking now
[09:32] <AdvoWork> ikonia, and is that also still using debootstrap?
[09:34] <ikonia> AdvoWork: I don't believe so
[09:35] <AdvoWork> i can't seem to find an example or anything for using an iso instead, i know i can specify the iso file as you say, but it still asks in my xen-tools.conf  dist = whatever  which refers to a mirror, so i'd comment out the mirrors, but dont know about that bit, nor the debootstrap bit
[09:35] <ikonia> AdvoWork: dies = lucid
[09:35] <ikonia> not a mirror
[09:40] <AdvoWork> dies? sorry i dont get you
[09:41] <ikonia> AdvoWork: sorry, typo
[09:41] <ikonia> distro=lucid
[09:42] <AdvoWork> ahh, so really i'd comment out the mirrors, specify the new mirror for the iso, leave dist=lucid as it is?
[09:43] <ikonia> thats how I see it
[09:44] <AdvoWork> ok cool, and would i also comment out the debootstrap bit or not?
[09:49] <ikonia> AdvoWork: have a quick read onthe docs, that's all I'm doing
[09:49] <ikonia> I've not done this for years so just referencing the docs
[09:50] <AdvoWork> if ive firstly done xen-create-image --hostname=whatever and then xm create /etc/xen/cfg/whatever.cfg   and now i want to change it, ive done xm destroy whatever, how do i undo the first bits? ie how do i properly delete the whole vm? i keeep reading steps that only seem to do the same as destory
[09:54] <AdvoWork> ah that does work
[09:54] <AdvoWork> just missleading
[09:57] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: hey
[10:00] <lynxman> koolhead17: pretty sure he's sleeping :)
[10:04] <koolhead17> lynxman: hey. :)
[10:35] <hallyn_> jamespage: yay (on the first)
[10:35] <hallyn_> jamespage: by chance, are you getting msgs in syslog from ext4 on shutdown?
[10:35] <jamespage> hallyn_, I don't think so
[10:36] <jamespage> bug 868206 is the termination issue
[10:36]  * hallyn_ goes to look, and wonders where the bot went
[10:37] <hallyn_> jamespage: don't lie to me :)
[10:37] <jamespage> ah - you mean on instance shutdown
[10:37] <jamespage> they yes I do
[10:38] <jamespage> it looked like the devices where getting unmounted or something before the lxc instances where actually terminated
[10:39] <hallyn_> jamespage: can you try the trivial patch from bug 861656 ?
[10:39] <jamespage> yes - just re-imaging now
[10:39] <hallyn_> though really you're right, and we might ought to do it differently
[10:40] <hallyn_> i dont' know if we add a wait on the container init, if we cna prevent the umount from failing in the first place
[10:50] <AdvoWork> ikonia, ok, i downloaded the iso, set the mirror to the iso, commented out the other mirrors, created the vm, but still, man command is not found..
[10:50] <ikonia> AdvoWork: did it go through an install process ?
[10:50] <ikonia> AdvoWork: eg: ask you to create a username and password, partition the disk etc etc
[10:50] <ikonia> ncurses based install routine
[10:52] <AdvoWork> ikonia, no, it basically only asked me for the root password, so nothing else :S
[10:53] <AdvoWork> so i dont know what im doing wrong?
[10:53] <ikonia> then it's not using an ubuntu server iso
[10:53] <ikonia> it's not even installing ubuntu
[10:53] <ikonia> ubuntu doesn't have a root password set
[10:56] <AdvoWork> no i mean, its asking me to set the root password
[10:56] <AdvoWork> and to confirm it
[10:56] <AdvoWork> thats the only thing it asked
[11:02] <AdvoWork> just ssh'd into the machine, and cat /etc/issue shows Ubuntu 10.04 LTS \n \l  so its installed ubuntu, just not the right one?
[11:02] <ikonia> AdvoWork: I don't know where it's getting the install from
[11:03] <AdvoWork> nor me :/
[11:03] <AdvoWork> whats wrong with using this base version, is it just not worth it?
[11:03] <ikonia> well the fact that you don't know anything about it is what's wrong with it
[11:08] <jamespage> hallyn_, no IO errors - but 4/6 did not complete termination according to nova
[11:08] <jamespage> although no lxc instances where found on the hypervisor
[11:08] <jamespage> running the terminate again did clear them
[11:08] <jamespage> so I would say its better
[11:09] <jamespage> hallyn_, then I looked at the console
[11:09] <jamespage> lots of ext4 errors still :-(
[11:09] <jamespage> no opps tho
[11:11] <AdvoWork> ikonia, well i know its a base/bare system of ubuntu server, it appears to be ok from what ive seen so far, but i dont know whats not in it that should be
[11:11] <ikonia> AdvoWork: well your missing packages, you've not got the sudo security model setup, so that's 2 core things which I wouldn't trust
[11:13] <AdvoWork> how do you know ive not got the sudo security model setup? only wondering
[11:13] <AdvoWork> can i not just do an update/upgrade?
[11:14] <ikonia> AdvoWork: because you set a root password
[11:17] <AdvoWork> dont you normally when you do a new server installation? its been a while since i did one
[11:18] <ikonia> no
[11:18] <Myrtti> Ubuntu doesn't have root password
[11:18] <Myrtti> no matter what kind of installation you are doing
[11:18] <ikonia> there should be no root password
[11:21] <AdvoWork> hmm,in which case, im stuck then
[11:26] <hallyn_> jamespage: eh that's just how ext4 rolls :)
[11:26] <hallyn_> jamespage: can you pb some examples?
[11:26] <jamespage> yeah - sure
[11:27] <AdvoWork> ikonia, any further suggestions then?
[11:29] <AdvoWork> ikonia, also just done uname -a which shows: Linux test-system 2.6.32-34-server #77-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 13 20:54:38 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux  does that help at all?
[11:59] <hallyn_> jamespage: still not seeing any here though fwiw
[12:01] <jamespage> hallyn_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/702714/
[12:02] <jamespage> sorry - got distracted trying out juju local lxc provider
[12:05] <hallyn_> jamespage: how many were you shutting down?
[12:05] <jamespage> 6
[12:05] <hallyn_> ok
[12:51]  * HarryPanda is looking for a simple package/upgrade manager, like Spacewalk, but for ubuntu
[12:52]  * koolhead17 points HarryPanda to landscape
[12:52] <HarryPanda> I'm trying the demo at the moment, quite slick - but I need *hands on*
[12:52] <koolhead17> *Landscape
[12:53] <koolhead17> HarryPanda: expalin handson
[12:53] <koolhead17> *hands on"
[12:53] <HarryPanda> source code, that I can tinker with
[12:54] <koolhead17> HarryPanda: is Spacewalk free product?
[12:54] <HarryPanda> yes
[12:54] <koolhead17> or a Red Hat enterprise product?
[12:54] <HarryPanda> it was a redhat enterprise product - their 'Satellite' network, and was only open-sourced reasonably recently
[12:56]  * HarryPanda will look at 'landscape-common' package and see if anything interesting can be used
[13:38] <jamespage> hallyn_, any idea why plymount --ping might hang? having trouble with juju lxc containers not starting up properly
[14:06] <hallyn_> jamespage: no, i don't even know what that is.
[14:06]  * hallyn_ checks the source
[14:09] <hallyn_> jamespage: I assume the PLY_BOOT_PROTOCOL_SOCKET_PATH socket is not created.  Wonder waht creates that
[14:10] <hallyn_> (abstrace unix socket \0/ply-boot-protocol)
[14:52] <aliverius> does ubuntu run on i386 machines?
[14:52] <hallyn_> jdstrand: quick question about the bash auto completions for virsh - is it better to have libvirt-bin drop those in, or to add it to the bash-completions package?
[14:56] <genii-around> aliverius: Yep
[14:56] <aliverius> ty
[14:57] <genii-around> aliverius: We have a couple old 486DX machines here using 6.06
[14:58] <jdstrand> hallyn_: while the bash-completion package does have a lot, in this case it feels more right to have whatever package ships the virsh command (libvirt-bin) ship it, especially if you expect it to change and are going to be maintaining it
[14:58] <jdstrand> hallyn_: so, for Ubuntu, ship in libvirt-bin. when pushing that to Debian, the maintainer may decide bash-completion is better
[14:59] <jdstrand> hallyn_: it would also make the most sense if upstream libvirt picked it up to ship it in libvirt-bin
[14:59] <jdstrand> hallyn_: (that way we can always get their updates to it easily)
[15:00] <hallyn_> jdstrand: yup, i'll definately send it to the list.  THough I want to fix up the container name completion first
[15:00] <hallyn_> thanks
[15:00] <jdstrand> cool. thanks for picking that up :)
[15:04] <hallyn_> (right now i'm trying to build netcf :)
[15:15] <rbasak> jamespage, Daviey or zul: around? I'm quite concerned about bug 868349. I can probably fix it quick but need help reproducing it - it doesn't in my dev environment running out of the source tree, and I don't know how to set up a working environment straight from the packages.
[15:15] <jamespage> rbasak, I am
[15:15] <jamespage> and where is the bot?
[15:16] <rbasak> also, I don't know what to do with the bug metadata to indicate that I think it needs looking at immediately
[15:16] <rbasak> (apart from Importance)
[15:17] <jamespage> rbasak, working environment straight from packages - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Oneiric/OpenStackTestPlan
[15:17] <jamespage> its all in one
[15:17] <rbasak> ah yes, of course
[15:18] <jamespage> rbasak, lemme tear down my test rig and I'll have a go as well
[15:19] <jamespage> rbasak, I've added the server-o-rs tag to the bug report - that will get it on Ursinha and Davieys reports and visible
[15:20] <Ursinha> yes sir
[15:25] <f18> hi guys! which could be the reason for overwriting my /etc/apache2/ports.conf after every system restart (I'm using ubuntu 10.04)?
[15:25] <f18> with the default ports.conf
[15:28] <rbasak> jamespage: OK I've reproduced it
[15:29] <jamespage> rbasak: sounds like something we really need to fix then
[15:30] <jamespage> Can you marked it as confirmed and 'High' for importance
[15:32] <genii-around> f18: Do you have a separate partition/mount for /etc ? It may be reading whats underneath before mounting happens
[15:34] <f18> genii-around: no I don't, but the strange thing is that as far as I saw only to files are affected: the ports.conf and the sites-available/default
[15:34] <f18> *two
[15:35] <rbasak> jamespage: OK I've got a one line fix. The problem was a double close. What I don't understand is why I can't reproduce it in a test, but the fix is trivial. I'll keep trying the test for a bit.
[15:56] <Jeeves_> Hi!
[15:56] <Jeeves_> Has anyone here figured out a way to allow people to use vnc towards kvm-vm's via some kind of a proxy?
[15:57] <Jeeves_> Via a webserver?
[15:57] <Jeeves_> With password-authentication?
[16:19] <rbasak> jamespage: I've attached a patch to the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/868349/comments/4 - are you OK to update and upload from there, or would you like me to update the bzr branch and do a merge request? Only I know that time is critical and I don't want to make a mistake there.
[16:24] <jamespage> rbasak: I'd prefer todo this through a merge request; I'm happy to upload but I would like smoser or zul to review
[16:24] <rbasak> jamespage: OK, I'll prepare one now
[16:25] <jamespage> rbasak, are you happy with what you need todo? i.e. branches etc..
[16:25] <jamespage> btw - I just reproduced so pretty easy to test the fix
[16:26] <rbasak> jamespage: yes - i'm branching lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/nova/diablo, right?
[16:26] <jamespage> yep - thats the one
[16:29] <rbasak> jamespage: shall I update backport-libvirt-console-pipe.patch or add a new patch?
[16:30] <jamespage> rbasak, I would update that patch; patch upon patch is just going to get complicated
[16:35] <rbasak> jamespage: trouble is that I now have a diff of a diff to look at which is quite confusing! quilt refresh has walked all over the patch as well. Is this OK - is this the normal way of doing it?
[16:36] <jamespage> hmm - not sure quilt should have changed to much in the patch
[16:36] <jamespage> I think zul already refreshed then against the diable codebase
[16:36] <jamespage> diablo
[16:36] <jamespage> can you push the branch and let me have a look?
[16:37] <rbasak> I did: quilt push backport-libvirt-console-pipe.patch; quilt fold < /tmp/868349.patch; quilt refresh; quilt pop -a
[16:37] <rbasak> OK will do
[16:41] <rbasak> jamespage: what should I be pushing to? I tried ~racb/nova/diablo/868349 but got permission denied
[16:41] <jamespage> rbasak, I think thats OK
[16:42] <jamespage> (the use of quilt)
[16:42] <jamespage> try ~racb/nova/868349
[16:42] <jamespage> you can specify which branch to target when you generate the MP
[16:43] <jamespage> at which point use ~ubuntu-server-dev/nova/diablo
[16:44] <rbasak> Yep found it. https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/nova/868349/+merge/78284 - I hope that's right!
[16:47] <jamespage> zul, smoser: any chance one of you can find the time to review ^^
[16:48] <jamespage> or even Daviey :-)
[16:56] <jamespage> rbasak, to complete the round trip the review.openstack.org change should be updated as well
[16:56] <rbasak> jamespage: will do
[16:56] <jamespage> that way the patch headers match up nicely - will keep reviewers more happy
[17:08] <jamespage> rbasak, I'm eod - hopefully Daviey, zul or smoser will pickup and review
[17:08] <jamespage> and we can upload am tomorrow
[17:08] <rbasak> jamespage: OK, see you tomorrow
[17:09] <jamespage> ttfn
[17:13] <Toidi> Any idea on how I can figure out why Samba won't let me save a file as a guest (even though the guest account has R/W access to the shares). I can write a file as the gues account with no issues via ssh
[17:28] <Toidi> I can write a file via notepad, but not illustrator or photoshop oddly enough. This is driving me mad hehe
[18:06] <Guest27965> Hi everyone, I was looking for some help with powernap on ubuntu server.
[18:07] <Guest27965> I have Apach2 running on the machine but its connecting via TCP6 which I am guessing the TCP monitor isnt catching
[18:08] <Guest27965> I thought that I would have it run an IOMonitor for apache but that isnt working either.
[18:37] <IdleOne> !google | test
[18:37] <g0t_> Results for | test on Google:
[18:37] <g0t___> Results for | test on Google:
[18:37] <g0t___> --
[18:37] <g0t_> --
[18:37] <g0t__> Results for | test on Google:
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[18:37] <IdleOne> g0t_ g0t__  and g0t___  could you please disable that script in all Ubuntu channels.
[18:43] <IdleOne> Tm_T: g0t____ has rejoined
[18:45] <Tm_T> every keyboard action has a delay and possibility to be lost, nice
[19:09] <Zanzacar> close
[19:13] <Zanzacar> close
[19:13] <Zanzacar> close
[19:15] <dkn> could i create a raid 6 array, then mirror that array to another HD in raid 1 and just swap out the single HD on the other side of the raid 1 as my take home backup?
[19:16] <dkn> i know it's not going to let me restore files or anything like that, but as a quick way to coordinate an off site backup?
[19:16] <ikonia> dkn: I'd suggest having the two meta devices, then using a technology such as lvm to keep them in sync, assuming the sizes of the arrays are compatible
[19:16] <dkn> hmmm
[19:16] <dkn> what do you mean by two meta devices?
[19:17] <ikonia> dkn: 1 raid6 meta device and 1 raid 1 meta device
[19:18] <ikonia> (or the meta device and single hard disk)
[19:19] <dkn> ya, i didn't know lvm let you manage sync, i just though it was a layer you could move things around on
[19:19] <ikonia> you can "mirror" with lvm, so if you use it that way, it's a good otion
[19:20] <dkn> would the lvm recognize the performance of the raid 6 over a single disk and prefer it?
[19:20] <ikonia> dkn: your mirror the data within lvm it will use both
[19:21] <dkn> but, for example, if you raid1 a SSD, and a HD together, it's going to prefer the SSD for reads, and the HD will be the bottleneck for writes
[19:21] <dkn> will it do the same with lvm mirror?
[19:21] <ikonia> it won't do that at all
[19:21] <ikonia> if you raid 1 a device it will access the meta device not the individual hard disk
[19:21] <dkn> raid or lvm?'
[19:22] <ikonia> either
[19:22] <dkn> really?
[19:22] <ikonia> it will request info from the meta device, and the OS will offer the data from what it best can at that moment in time
[19:23] <dkn> but i thought the meta device requested the info, and whatever disk provided it first it would ship it off, so the SSD would supply the data faster and that data would get sent as soon as it's available
[19:24] <ikonia> you may get it for a read, but it still has to confirm the second disk is in a valid state
[19:24] <dkn> mmm true...
[19:24] <ikonia> eg: it needs to know both are in sync before offering the data or how does it know which one is valid
[19:24] <dkn> bah...
[19:25] <dkn> stupid bottlenecks
[19:25] <dkn> it makes sense when you say it that way though
[19:25] <ikonia> I don't believe it actually checks the data on both, mearly checks the device is marked as sync
[19:25] <ikonia> I'm not %100 been a while since I looked really under the hood at it
[19:26] <dkn> ya..
[19:26] <ikonia> but that's still a read
[19:27] <dkn> does the lvm mirror support hot swapping?
[19:28] <ikonia> depends on the hardware
[19:28] <dkn> ok, so i'm good them
[19:30] <dkn> it's to bad mirror or raid 1 doesn't really come with any performance advantage...
[19:30] <ikonia> why would it ? you're writing to 2 disks and constantly keeping them in sync
[19:31] <dkn> cause i can either get a purchase order approved for the redundancy level we need, or the capacity we need, but not both..
[19:32] <dkn> thanks for the help
[19:56] <koolhead17> "Precise Pangolin"
[20:22] <Takyoji> Anyone know a way to skip dpkg-reconfigure when installing a package that requires configuration; or some way to specify configuration values from a script?
[20:28] <RobinBAwesome> pardon me
[20:28] <RobinBAwesome> how do I specify what mirror does the first stage of pxe/netinstall gets used?
[20:29] <RobinBAwesome> right now it always uses some archive.ubuntu.com mirror
[20:32]  * patdk-wk finds it easier to just tell it to use a web proxy server
[20:32] <RobinBAwesome> hmm
[20:32] <RobinBAwesome> not a bad thought
[20:32] <patdk-wk> as I'm running apt-cache-ng locally, it helps out :)
[20:32] <patdk-wk> plus it autoconfigures apt to use that, on the installed system
[20:33] <RobinBAwesome> it seems liek archive.ubuntu.com is hardcoded in a .c file
[20:33] <patdk-wk> na, probably in the seed file
[20:33] <RobinBAwesome> nope
[20:33] <RobinBAwesome> set everything in preseed we could
[20:33] <patdk-wk> odd
[20:33] <RobinBAwesome> reading C code now
[20:39] <RobinBAwesome> patdk-wk: this is stage 1 ... where it gets the intaller gets retrieved
[20:45] <RobinBAwesome> patdk-wk: does your proxy server intercept traffic to archiv.ubuntu.com
[20:47] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ping
[20:47] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: pong
[20:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy man
[20:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hey man
[20:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm curious about ubuntu-natty-x86_64.seed in the orchestra source
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: seems kinda outta place
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah I just saw it today too
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'll get rid of it
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: it's a leftover from preivous orhcestra
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, hold on
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'll kill it
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok
[20:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm fixing a couple of bugs i hit with SpamapS last night
[20:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the reconfigure one and the partition one?
[20:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yup
[20:50] <patdk-wk> RobinBAwesome, no, no need to
[20:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: reconfigure is committed
[20:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok cool
[20:50] <patdk-wk> when you start the installer, it asks for a proxy server to use
[20:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: where's the seed that orchestra uses for non-juju installs?
[20:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's supposed to be the one which I was planning to rename and cleanup
[20:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: the one that was named: provisioning-server/var/lib/orchestra/kickstarts/ubuntu-natty-x86_64.seed ?
[20:52] <RobinBAwesome> patdk-wk: do you know if the proxy server be set in the  kernel params?
[20:53] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah, that's the only seed file that was there before I added the juju one
[20:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay
[20:53] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but technically, the juju one will work
[20:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: there used to be one called ubuntu-orchestra-client.preseed
[20:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: uhmmm i might have got rid oof it by mistake
[20:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but the juju one, the only difference is the cloud-init stuff for juju, which if it is non-existant, shouldn't affect
[20:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~orchestra/orchestra/trunk/revision/239
[20:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, cool
[20:56] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah the ubuntu-orchestra-client.seed was an old preseed that should probably be dropped and just copy the juju one and remove the juju sepcific stuff
[20:57] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: my parking is expiring in 10 mins (im at my former school). I'll take care of it
[20:57] <RoAkSoAx> as soon as I get home
[20:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: agreed
[20:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i just called it "orchestra.preseed"
[23:13] <PleXs> anyone known a descent web management tool voor samba file server?
[23:35] <kaushal> Hi
[23:36] <kaushal> is there a glassfish version 3 package available for 8.04 ?
[23:43] <koolhead17> kaushal: is 8.04 anymore supported?
[23:43] <kaushal> yes it is
[23:43] <kaushal> I mean server
[23:45] <Patrickdk> till 2013.04 :)
[23:46] <Patrickdk> or is it 2013.10?
[23:48] <kaushal> Patrickdk: yes
[23:48] <kaushal> Any clue to my answer ?
[23:48] <kaushal> i mean to my question
[23:49] <Patrickdk> you don't know how to use apt?
[23:50] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/703055/
[23:50] <kaushal> i dont see version 3 available
[23:50] <Patrickdk> but as it's in universe, it's not supported
[23:52] <kaushal> Patrickdk: are there deb packages available for 8.04 ?
[23:52] <kaushal> I mean pertaining to version 3
[23:52] <Patrickdk> how should I know?
[23:53] <Patrickdk> there are no official, or any in the unoffical ubuntu builds
[23:53] <Patrickdk> you would have to find someone that did it themselfs
[23:53] <Patrickdk> I would suggest google
[23:53] <kaushal> Patrickdk: i did it already