[01:08] <delire> hi, i'm helping someone remotely to capture information so that we can submit a bug. the person has very little linux ability. can i describe the bug here and ask what we should look at capturing?
[01:12] <bddebian> Heya
[01:16] <Burgwork> delire, what sort of bug?
[01:19] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[01:20] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[01:51] <delire> Burgwork: the user changes the panel size on a machine recently upgraded from Breezy to Dapper and cannot log in thereafter. i suggested mv'ing ~/.gconf, which did away with the problem. there's nothing conspicuous in ~/.xsession-errors.
[01:52] <delire> Burgwork: she's an older user, with troubles following commands to write in the terminal, so i want to know what to capture to reduce the load at her end. especially so as it doesn't end up "Unconfirmed" in malone.
[01:53] <Burgwork> delire, hmm, sorry, I don't know off hand and don't have time to help you
[01:53] <delire> Burgwork: no problem.
[01:53] <delire> i look forward to an auto-bug-reporting mechanism for this reason ;)
[02:02] <bddebian> Heya Keybuk
[02:02] <Keybuk> heyho
[02:02] <ajmitch> hello Keybuk
[02:03] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:04] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[02:36] <whiprush_> jdub: ping
[03:22] <whiprush_> jdub: ping
[03:23] <jsgotangco> whiprush_: !
[03:23] <whiprush_> hi jerome.
[03:51] <zul> make[5] : *** [sound/pci/cs46xx/cs46xx.o]  Error 1
[03:51] <zul> make[4] : *** [sound/pci/cs46xx]  Error 2
[03:51] <zul> make[3] : *** [sound/pci]  Error 2
[03:51] <zul> make[2] : *** [sound]  Error 2
[03:54] <crimsun_> jah, fun.
[04:02] <infinity> You kinda missed the critical line from that:
[04:02] <infinity> sound/pci/cs46xx/cs46xx.c:172: error: 'snd_cs46xx_resume' undeclared here (not in a function)
[04:02] <crimsun_> yeah, already spotted in query, pushing brown paper bag typo fix now.
[04:03] <crimsun_> interestingly enough I caught the "state" one but not that one :/
[04:12] <bddebian> Doh
[04:17] <rredd4> is it possible to add commands like apt-get install, apt-cache search, etc... to a console menu?  I am not a programmer or I would try myself..
[04:49] <stuNNed> what is the one liner to install ndiswrapper-source in dapper?
[04:58] <stuNNed> or rather can i use a .exe in ppc in ubuntu w/ndiswrapper?  i know this is a support question but not sure
[05:00] <stuNNed> i found link, shut up
[05:56] <Hobbsee> BenC: ping?
[05:58] <desrt> BenC; pong.
[06:04] <BenC> Hobbsee: pong
[06:05] <Hobbsee> BenC: just wondering if https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/39315 is in the archive - got a user most desperate to have it :P
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39315 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Keyboard random repeat " [High,Fix committed]
[06:05] <Hobbsee> had a look in dapper-changes, but couldnt see it there specifically in the changelog - i probably missed it.
[06:05] <BenC> couldn't you just check the archive to find that out? :)
[06:05] <BenC> no, it's not there yet, but will be soon
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hehe meany - if  i could figure it out, then yeah, sure :P
[06:06] <Hobbsee> okay, cool, thanks
[06:06] <Hobbsee> if i could have figured it out, then i wouldnt have come askign :P
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <desrt> good day
[07:49] <janimo> can someone check if xfdesktop is in the upload queue?
[07:49] <janimo> I got it rejected on Sunday with the following errot
[07:49] <janimo> error
[07:49] <janimo> Exception while accepting: type object 'DistroReleaseQueueStatus' has no attribute 'UNAPROVED'
[07:50] <janimo> I am not sure if it's normal for the current way of handling uploads
[07:54] <fabbione> jamesh: no, the world is falling apart..
[07:54] <fabbione> janimo: ^^
[07:55] <janimo> fabbione: it was for dapper-updates, forgot to mention
[07:56] <janimo> same Q I asked yesterday btw :)
[07:56] <fabbione> janimo: yes i got that.. i dunno. it looks like soyuz is on vac
[07:56] <janimo> I saw there were some uploads let in today though, but the two I uploaded were not among them
[07:57] <fabbione> janimo: i assume you did target the uploads to dapper-updates
[07:57] <fabbione> in your changelog i mean
[08:04] <janimo> fabbione: yes
[08:10] <desrt> pitti; i have a question for you
[08:11] <pitti> Good morning
[08:11] <pitti> hello desrt
[08:11] <desrt> hello to you too :)
[08:11] <desrt> did you buy your ibook in .de?
[08:11] <pitti> desrt: yes, in June 2004
[08:12] <desrt> it came with a power brick with a small 2-prong connector and also a longer power cord with a grounded plug on the end
[08:12] <pitti> desrt: same here
[08:13] <desrt> is the grounding on the power cord the universal sort of grounding that works in all european countries or is it the sort of one that will only work in germany?
[08:14] <pitti> desrt: oh, unfortunately not; there are even more grounding formats than prong formats
[08:14] <pitti> desrt: many plugs can cope with more than one format, though
[08:14] <desrt> right.  but it's possible to make a sort of plug that works with all of the differnt weird formats
[08:14] <desrt> so what i'm asking: does apple make that sort of plug?
[08:15] <pitti> desrt: in .de, the grounding is on the plug's side, e. g. in .ch they have an additional prong
[08:15] <pitti> desrt: yes, the apple plug has an additional hole for the countries that have a prong for grounding
[08:17] <desrt> awesome.
[08:17] <desrt> i think i'll just buy a power adapter at GUADEC then
[08:36] <janimo> pitti, hi. Do you know how active gnome-cups-manager upstream is?
[08:36] <pitti> janimo: yes, I know: zero
[08:36] <janimo> do you know of the plans they may have for 2.16?
[08:36] <janimo> :)
[08:37] <pitti> janimo: it basically didn't change since hoary or so
[08:37] <pitti> janimo: we have to find an alternative, eggcups or something
[08:37] <janimo> pitti, I am thinking what the best way of having a printer add gui for xubuntu would be
[08:37] <pitti> but still, printer configuration in gnone lacks love
[08:37] <janimo> one is modifying g-c-m other to enhance xfprint
[08:38] <Lathiat> one thign about kde, the printing stuff is quite nice
[08:40] <pitti> at least printing should get much better, now that gtk itself handles it
[08:41] <janimo> right, so most (all?) of libgnomeprint is no longer needed
[08:42] <pitti> indeed
[08:42] <pitti> and libgnomeprintui, and I hope libgnomecups, too
[08:42] <pitti> I didn't look at it yet
[08:42] <janimo> libgnomeprintui still has the samba detection code in it
[08:42] <janimo> that was what kept it gnome dependent (use of gnome passwd dialog)
[08:43] <janimo> otherwise it would have been easy to add support for it in xfprint
[09:22] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  I removed a bunch of executable stacks on things, with a combination of stealing patches from Gentoo and doing my own investigation.
[09:23] <pitti> good :)
[09:23] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  there's bugs on it in Bugzilla.  The main one I'm concerned on is #49192, which is libgcrypt11
[09:24] <bluefoxicy> it prevents logging in with a PaX kernel (since gcrypt11 can't get an executable stack, gnome decides it doesn't want to start, as glibc likes to _exit() because of this)
[09:24] <bluefoxicy> but more importantly
[09:24] <bluefoxicy> it causes Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird, vino-server, and a few others to have an executable stack.
[09:25] <bluefoxicy> those are particularly interesting because they're nice, network-facing targets, especially if code can be executed on the stack.
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> the.. last comment tells how to patch the .S files (small shell script because I'm far too lazy to make a patch)
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> If you patch them, you can build with assembly optimizations and it'll work.
[09:27] <bluefoxicy> (my initial comment was to disable ASM)
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> Anyway I am going to sleep.
[09:41] <TheMuso> c
[09:41] <\sh> moins
[09:41] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[09:41] <pitti> hey \sh
[09:42] <ivoks> hi \sh
[09:42] <ivoks> \sh: what's better ejabberd or jabberd2? :)
[09:43] <\sh> ivoks: ejabberd
[09:44] <ivoks> \sh: can I integrate it with pam?
[09:44] <ivoks> \sh: i didn't see it supports pam...
[09:44] <sivang> morning all
[09:45] <\sh> ivoks: there are possibilities to include them, as external authentication scripts
[09:45] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[09:45] <\sh> ivoks: check the docs and the actual development release
[09:45] <pygi> mornin' sivang
[10:37] <crimsun_> pitti: ping, am I supposed to be uploading to a different upload queue? (I just got a REJECT from archive@)
[10:37] <crimsun_> pitti: (sorry, missing context. RE: moodle)
[10:37] <ajmitch> sivang: probably wouldn't work so well
[10:37] <sivang> ajmitch: I won't know unless I try ;-)
[10:38] <pitti> crimsun_: oh, yes, please upload to security.upload.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <crimsun_> pitti: ah, ok, thanks.
[10:49] <jono> hey
[10:49] <sivang> hey jono , how's it going?
[10:50] <jono> sivang: good thanks, you ?
[10:50] <sivang> jono: cool , need to get to the last LUG radio
[10:50] <jono> :)
[10:50] <sivang> jono: I've heared it's rather interesting ;-)
[10:51] <jono> heh
[10:51] <jono> sivang: well, it is the usual serious, sensible discussion
[10:53] <sivang> hehe
[10:53] <sivang> aien't it alwasy :p
[10:53] <sivang> or , always (still in the process of getting used to the thinkpad kbd)
[11:21] <lemsto> paudio
[11:21] <lemsto> oops
[11:43] <sivang> does specs that did not get accepted for Paris so far (status: proposed) mean that they will not get discussed in paris?
[11:54] <jsgotangco> lol at sladen
[12:39] <Riddell> doko: did you upload a new qt?
[12:39] <doko> Riddell: yes
[12:39] <doko> Riddell: got the accepted message
[12:40] <Riddell> ok, we'll poke mdz when he's awake to publish it
[12:46] <pitti> crimsun_: thanks for the moodle upload, publishing now
[12:57] <zul> heylo
[12:57] <ajmitch> hey zul
[12:57] <pitti> G0SUB: shall we meet today?
[12:57] <zul> hey ajmitch
[12:57] <pitti> hi zul
[12:58] <zul> hey pitti how goes the battle?
[12:58] <pitti> zul: the dapper security update is a mess
[12:58] <zul> pitti: is it? ben did that one
[12:59] <pitti> zul: there are some problems with the abi checker, and so on; it requires another upload
[12:59] <pitti> zul: however, Ben's fixes to the hoary and breezy kernel seems to have worked, there are amd64 binaries now
[12:59] <pygi> hey hey ogra_ibook ;)
[01:00] <zul> pitti: ok...well Ben took care of the dapper security update but i can take a look at it if you want
[01:00] <pitti> zul: oh, nevermind; fabbione needs to send Ben some sparc patches anyway, and the powerpc abi failure shouln't be hard to fix
[01:00] <\sh> tftpds written in ruby are crap...
[01:02] <zul> pitti: heh...but hoary and breezy works..:)
[01:02] <ogra> hi pygi
[01:02] <\sh> moins btw
[01:04] <fabbione> pitti: yeah probably we have no patch.. or we are very close to it. i need to talk with mdz
[01:05] <mdke> no Community Council today?
[01:05] <mdke> elmo, mako ^
[01:06] <elmo> no
[01:06] <elmo> neither mark nor colin are available
[01:07] <mdke> elmo: ok thanks, in 2 weeks then?
[01:07] <elmo> that's after udp?  if so, yeah
[01:08] <mdke> elmo: not sure
[01:08] <elmo> it is
[01:08] <mdke> ok
[01:09] <zul> elmo: i was wondering if had a look at my email i sent you?
[01:10] <mdke> elmo: do you think there is any possibility of discussing wiki licensing between now and then?
[01:11] <elmo> zul: the keyring stuff?  I'll have a look when I can, but I'm afraid my time is mostly focused on prep work for paris right now
[01:11] <zul> elmo: ok not a problem
[01:11] <elmo> mdke: discuss with who?
[01:11] <mdke> elmo: well, with all of you
[01:11] <elmo> well, Colin's on vacation for this week
[01:11] <mdke> yeah
[01:13] <elmo> anyway, not being funny, but I'm late and have to run, bbl
[01:13] <mdke> elmo: ok
[01:59] <doko> Unpacking python-subversion (from .../python-subversion_1.3.1-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[01:59] <doko> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[01:59] <doko> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[01:59] <doko> Keybuk: ^^^
[02:02] <jpatrick> heno: ping
[02:07] <heno> jpatrick: hello
[02:08] <jpatrick> heno: I'm the one about the kubuntu-es.org thing
[02:09] <heno> jpatrick: yep, you still need space right?
[02:09] <jpatrick> heno: I believe the only software needed is drupal
[02:09] <heno> jpatrick: ok, and that needs PHP and MySQL?
[02:09] <jpatrick> and Apache
[02:10] <jpatrick> so yep
[02:10] <heno> jpatrick: ok, I'll set up an account for you and email you some details
[02:10] <jpatrick> ok
[02:11] <jpatrick> heno: could I also have an account rouzic - he's the founder of kubuntu-es.org
[02:12] <heno> jpatrick: yep, and yours would be 'jpatrick'?
[02:12] <jpatrick> yes, please
[02:25] <ivoks> um... why doesn't anything happen in dapper-changes?
[02:25] <pitti> G0SUB: I'll return in about two hours and will be online for the rest of the day
[02:26] <ivoks> i see lots of sources uploaded, and packages are in archive, but in edgy, not dapper-updates
[02:26] <ivoks> i.e. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-June/011856.html
[02:26] <ogra> ivoks, /topic ?
[02:27] <ivoks> oh, ok :)
[02:29] <dholbach> I should have listened to seb128 and never uploaded those kde packages.  I got a mail about kdebindings, because I last touched the package :-)
[02:31] <jpatrick> heno: is this ssh?
[02:32] <ogra> dholbach, you are even the "creator" in LP ;)
[02:33] <dholbach> hu?
[02:33] <dholbach> i wonder how that happened
[02:34] <ogra> its a bug in the wording :)
[02:34] <ogra> it should be "uploader" or something like that instaed of creator
[02:35] <ogra> but until someone else touched it LP calls you the creator ... that can have funny side effects like users ranting at you ;)
[02:35] <jpatrick> heno: nope I can't get in
[02:37] <Keybuk> "How many gcc uploads does it take to bootstrap a distribution?" :)
[02:37] <zul> 2
[02:37] <zul> but not according to the ml
[02:40] <heno> jpatrick: hm, that was odd. Works now. Perhaps I had capslock on when creating the pw :)
[02:41] <jpatrick> heno: how do I log in exactly?
[02:41] <janimo> Keybuk: do you know if xfdesktop ands xfce4-mixer are in the dapper-updates queue? I have uploaded them on Sunday
[02:41] <Keybuk> they weren't yesterday
[02:44] <Keybuk> janimo: check your inbox or spam folder
[02:44] <Keybuk> iirc the uploader was an unhappy bunny on sunday and sending out rejects for everything
[02:45] <janimo> Keybuk: I got Rejects for them, true but assumed it's part of the manual approval process
[02:45] <Keybuk> no
[02:45] <Keybuk> a reject means the archive software threw it away
[02:46] <janimo> the reason was : Exception while accepting: type object 'DistroReleaseQueueStatus' has no attribute 'UNAPROVED'
[02:49] <Keybuk> yes, "Exeception" is generally bad :p
[02:50] <Keybuk> it means your upload got rejected because a screw inside LP went ping
[02:50] <janimo> I'll reupload then
[02:51] <Keybuk> who approved them?
[02:51] <janimo> mdz
[02:51] <janimo> on Saturday
[02:51] <Keybuk> could you bounce a copy of his approval e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:52] <janimo> Keybuk: done
[02:55] <Keybuk> thanks
[02:56] <Keybuk> when cprov gets in, I'll see what the state of LP is
[02:57] <Keybuk> actually, scratch that
[02:57] <Keybuk> it's all on auto again
[02:57] <janimo> Keybuk: I got an Accepted reply now for mixer, so  I uploaded xfdesktop as well. Both should be in the queue shortly
[02:57] <Keybuk> janimo: heh, don't be too sure :)  for the last week infinity or I have been lifting things out of incoming and into the queue by hand <g>
[02:58] <janimo> oh, forgot again that incoming != the queue :)
[02:58] <janimo> or not that queue anyway
[02:58] <Keybuk> I can never remember whether those accepted mails are generated by poppy or the queue processor
[03:00] <Keybuk> ok, all approved
[03:00] <Keybuk> publisher is about to run, so good timing <g>
[03:01] <janimo> Keybuk: thanks
[03:01] <Keybuk> buildds are still on manual, so it won't actually build yet
[03:01] <janimo> I got two accepted  mails per upload. strange
[03:01] <Keybuk> one is the accepted mail, one is the approved mail
[03:01] <janimo> one as usual, and one from me to dapper-changes
[03:01] <janimo> aha
[03:01] <Keybuk> ie. one tells you it was accepted into the queue (and didn't have a problem)
[03:01] <Keybuk> and the other tells you an admin approved it
[03:09] <mantas_> Hi all
[03:24] <mantas_> mvo, hi, do you have little time to talk about some pretty often packaging bugs (I just found this bug in one of your packages) - building scrollkeeper files in /var during dpkg-buildpackage ?
[03:25] <mvo> mantas_: in a couple of minutes maybe?
[03:26] <mvo> mantas_: which package is it?
[03:30] <mantas_> packages.debian.org/gnome-commander
[03:31] <dholbach> mvo: could be you have to use   --disable-scrollkeeper    in debian/rules
[03:31] <mantas_> mvo, I found this problem in several packages, for example in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gnome-schedule
[03:31] <mvo> mantas_: ok, thanks
[03:31] <ogra> arent that both gnome1 packages ?
[03:32] <dholbach> ogra: gnome-commander isn't any more
[03:32] <ogra> ah
[03:33] <mantas_> I think lintian, linda or some other automatic tests should check for this bug automatically, because after installing or removing some packages, which have this bug, help in gnome applications becomes broken :(
[03:33] <mantas_> ogra, both are gnome2 applications
[03:34] <ogra> mantas_, they werent last time i looked, but thats some releases ago :)
[03:35] <mantas_> I think Debian/Ubuntu policy should forbid putting /var/lib/scrollkeeper into deb packages
[03:36] <mgalvin> is anyone aware that the dapper-updates from the other day did not get processed properly again (the source in the archive but the .deb's are not)? or is it just me?
[03:36] <mgalvin> for example
[03:36] <mgalvin> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-screensaver/
[03:36] <ogra> mgalvin, see the channel topic
[03:36] <ogra> they all need manual love to get built
[03:36] <mgalvin> for dapper too?
[03:36] <mgalvin> ok
[03:37] <ogra> for LP
[03:37] <mgalvin> ah i see
[03:37] <mgalvin> ok thanks ogra
[03:37] <mgalvin> sorry for the noise
[03:38] <ogra> mgalvin, btw there was just the cool suggestion to call "UWN" the "ubuntu weekly newt" woul fit perfectly for edgy ;)
[03:38] <ogra> *would even
[03:38] <mantas_> dholbach, mvo: gnome-commander's debian/rules contains only 3 lines - include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[03:38] <mantas_> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk
[03:38] <mantas_> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[03:38] <mantas_> where I should put --disable-scrollkeeper ?
[03:38] <ivoks> only three powerfull lines :)
[03:38] <dholbach> mantas_: I know - I just told mvo, where to look
[03:38] <mgalvin> ogra: haha :) that would be cool
[03:38] <ogra> mgalvin, rename it :)
[03:38] <dholbach> mantas_: does ./configure offer --disable-scrollkeeper?
[03:40] <mgalvin> ogra: i'll see what others think too but yea, that would be cool especially since as edgy ramps up it will be largely focused on its happenings anyway
[03:40] <dholbach> mantas_: if so, just add      DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS += --disable-scrollkeeper
[03:40] <mantas_> dholbach, yes, configure script from gnome-commander's sources folder has --disable-scrollkeeper
[03:40] <mantas_> dholbach, in start of debian/rules ?
[03:40] <dholbach> mantas_: no, after the include lines
[03:41] <mantas_> dholbach, ok, thanks
[03:41] <dholbach> de rien
[03:47] <mantas_> dholbach, what you think about adding check for /var/lib/scrollkeeper in linda, lintian or similar automatic deb packages checking tools ?
[03:48] <dholbach> mantas_: while I think it's an annoyance, it doesn't happen that often, I think
[03:48] <dholbach> mantas_: you might want to ask the lintian/linda maintainers
[03:48] <dholbach> StevenK: did you think about that already?
[03:56] <mantas_> dholbach, maybe this happens not very often, but after installing or removing some packages, which have this bug, help in *all* gnome applications becomes broken, so this is important bug for users
[03:56] <dholbach> mantas_: I understand the problem.
[04:18] <mvo> sladen: around?
[04:18] <sladen> mvo: yup
[04:25] <tepsipakki> does the netboot-install know how to fetch packages from -security? it seems to be broken now
[04:25] <tepsipakki> dapper-netboot, that is
[04:39] <fabbione> tepsipakki: seems to be broken how? what arch?
[04:39] <fabbione> as usual these kind od reports are useless
[04:40] <fabbione> can your install access security.ubuntu.com ?
[04:41] <Arbiter> hm a guide to debconf?
[04:41] <Arbiter> (can't find it anywhere)
[04:43] <tepsipakki> fabbione: netboot fails when fetching packages, wget says that it can't find something
[04:43] <tepsipakki> binutils has been updated recently
[04:43] <Arbiter> np found it
[04:44] <fabbione> tepsipakki: proxy? unsynced mirror?
[04:44] <tepsipakki> I can't test it now if the machine has access to s.u.c
[04:44] <tepsipakki> no, mirror has been synced
[04:44] <fabbione> well access to security is foundamental
[04:44] <fabbione> i am installing via netboot/netinstall as we speak (sparc) and it's working fine
[04:45] <tepsipakki> ok, so it was temporary
[04:45] <fabbione> Keybuk: topicdiff?
[04:45] <tepsipakki> and the arch was i386
[04:46] <Keybuk> fabbione: http://www.netsplit.com/software/topicdiff/
[04:46] <fabbione> Keybuk: haha
[04:46] <thom> fabbione: s/Uploads/Builds/
[04:46] <fabbione> thom: thanks mate
[04:48] <thom> topic-diff.pl++
[04:49] <fabbione> whatever... till it works :)
[04:49] <fabbione> Keybuk: thanks dude
[04:59] <mvo> anyone here with "svn merge" experience?
[05:01] <pitti> mvo: I did it a couple of times, but svn's idea of branches and merging is quite ... basic
[05:02] <mvo> pitti: I have a branch that I want to merge back into trunk/ and apparently svn does not add the files that where newly added in the branch. that looks ... wrong
[05:02] <mvo> and I have no idea if it is me or svn being silly
[05:03] <pitti> mvo: hm, no idea about such specialties; I just remember that I had to clean up after merging several times
[05:03] <pitti> mvo: did you do an svn update in both branches afterwards?
[05:04] <mvo> pitti: no, I will try that
[05:06] <mvo> pitti: ok, thanks! I think I found the problem. svn revert was not cleaning up properly
[05:06] <mvo> at least that is my current theory
[05:08] <jsgotangco> mvo: your g-a-i bzr took almost an hour for me! heh
[05:08] <mvo> jsgotangco: I'll update it to knits, then it will only take 20 minutes :P
[05:20] <pitti> crimsun_: so, we do not need to fix the datadir for bug 43146? you spoke about a safer workaround AFAIR
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43146 in alsa-lib "gnome-sound-properties generates broken alsa conf" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43146
[05:29] <Lathiat> pitti: hrm, that dovecot security update has broken my dovecot sql stuff :\
[05:30] <pitti> Lathiat: oh, how so?
[05:31] <Lathiat> pitti: as in it segfualts :(
[05:31] <pitti> Lathiat: it worked quite fine here, I  tested it with a local PostgreSQL db
[05:31] <Lathiat> (the auth process)) and doesn tlogin
[05:31] <Lathiat> im using mysql
[05:31] <Lathiat> i'll do some more hunting and see if i can find th eexact problem
[05:31] <Lathiat> just dumbing down my sql query atm its quite complex
[05:32] <Lathiat> i spen tthe last hour hunting around for silly config issues heh
[05:32] <Lathiat> was working fine on one box that was installed around 3 weeks ago, took me a whiel to check if there was a version change, bleh
[05:32] <pitti> Lathiat: does downgrading to 1.0.beta3-3ubuntu5 help?
[05:33] <pitti> Lathiat: if so, then I revert the dapper patch and replace it with a much less safe, but unintrusive one
[05:33] <Lathiat> pitti: yeh that fixed it
[05:33] <Lathiat> pitti: if you give me a test package i'll try it out with that patch?
[05:33] <Lathiat> even with a simple sql query its still segfaulting
[05:34] <Lathiat> pitti: were you using a combined passdb/userdb query or separate?
[05:34] <pitti> Lathiat: separate
[05:34] <pitti> but it shouldn't matter really
[05:34] <Lathiat> yeh
[05:36] <pitti> Lathiat: hm, I used a trivial patch for hoary and breezy, but it doesn't work for dapper due to the quite weird program structure
[05:36] <pitti> Lathiat: gimme some 30 minutes to look into that; do you have that much time?
[05:36] <Lathiat> pitti: mm its 11:40pm was going to goto bed shortly ;p
[05:37] <Lathiat> pitti: can do it tomorrow morning? (9 hours?)
[05:37] <pitti> Lathiat: then I'll be asleep :)
[05:37] <pitti> Lathiat: can you please open a bug with some logs etc.?
[05:37] <Lathiat> yeh
[05:37] <pitti> Lathiat: then I'll put a test package as a followup and you can try it out
[05:38] <Lathiat> pitti: ok cheers
[05:38] <pitti> Lathiat: can you  build debs from a source package?
[05:38] <pitti> Lathiat: I can only generate amd64 binaries here
[05:38] <Lathiat> im running this on amd64
[05:38] <Lathiat> but i can build debs from source thats fine
[05:38] <Lathiat> either
[05:38] <pitti> Lathiat: so much the better, I'll put the debs on people.u.c then and give you a pointer in the bug report
[05:38] <Lathiat> pitti: ok cheers
[05:39] <pitti> Lathiat: assign it to me, please<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with high importance
[05:42] <Lathiat> pitti: nps
[05:42] <Lathiat> cheers!
[05:49] <Lathiat> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/49601
[05:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49601 in dovecot "dovecot security update (5.1) breaks mysql" [High,Unconfirmed]
[05:49] <Lathiat> night :)
[05:51] <pitti> Lathiat: night! and thanks
[05:56] <bddebian> Heya
[06:01] <janimo> are the builds in dapper-updates blocked on something?
[06:02] <pitti> janimo: my security uploads don't come through as well
[06:02] <bddebian> They are being put through manually aren't they?
[06:02] <pitti> janimo: elmo told me that the host who controls mirrors has some hardware problem, Znarl is working on it
[06:02] <janimo> they're marked needs building in LP
[06:02] <pitti> hm, no idea about that one
[06:02] <Keybuk> janimo: as I said above, they won't be built
[06:03] <janimo> Keybuk: today? or until something specific unblocks them?
[06:03] <Keybuk> s/something/someone/
[06:03] <janimo> ok
[06:04] <Keybuk> infinity will need to wake up, and feel better
[06:04] <bddebian> infinity is sick again? :-(
[06:05] <Keybuk> infinity is always sick
[06:05] <Keybuk> but today he is also unwell
[06:05] <bddebian> Well twisted yes, but not ill :-)
[06:11] <cf2> Hi, I noticed a problem with archive.ubuntu.com and just wanted to check that it was known
[06:11] <cf2> I noticed that the two machines that resolve for *.archive.ubuntu.com have different content. Compare http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (good) with http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (bad)
[06:11] <fabbione> yes we know
[06:11] <fabbione> thanks
[06:11] <cf2> Is there an eta on a fix ?
[06:11] <fabbione> no, it's hw problem
[06:12] <cf2> Perhaps the DNS could be modified in the mean time ?
[06:13] <tseng> or you could make a host file
[06:13] <fabbione> or you could wait tomorrow to upgrade your no-changes edgy
[06:14] <cf2> While it's not an emergency, this is affecting users of all the dist's.
[06:15] <fabbione> cf2: with all proxies and dns caches around, by the time it's propagated, they will solve the issue
[06:15] <tseng> and propagating the dns entry takes 72 hours
[06:15] <tseng> and it will already be fixed
[06:15] <fabbione> not worth
[06:15] <tseng> fabbione++
[06:15] <cf2> ok
[06:38] <bddebian> So Keybuk, is edy open yet?
[06:39] <siretart> pitti: around?
[06:39] <pitti> siretart: yes
[06:39] <Keybuk> I can see with absolute assuredness that not only is edy not currently open, it never well be
[06:39] <bddebian> No?
[06:39] <siretart> pitti: I'd like to upload wpasupplicant to dapper-updates, but I'm not exactly sure about the version number, in order to not interfere with a possible security upload
[06:40] <siretart> pitti: version in dapper is 0.4.8-3ubuntu1, I'd suggest uploaded to dapper-updates with 0.4.8-3ubuntu1.1
[06:40] <siretart> pitti: is this okay?
[06:40] <pitti> siretart: hm, ubuntu2 won't hurt
[06:40] <pitti> siretart: but that depends
[06:40] <Keybuk> not only will we not get around to another 'e' distribution for ~13 years, "edy" isn't a word anyway
[06:40] <pitti> siretart: is the fix trivial enough to be included into the next potential security update?
[06:41] <bddebian> Oh, I missed my typo smart-alec ;-)
[06:41] <pitti> siretart: I usually do this to eliminate branches (one for -updates and one for -security)
[06:41] <pitti> siretart: it should be appropriate, otherwise it would be nothing for dapper in the first place ;)
[06:41] <siretart> pitti: yes. it replaces a awk call with something more sane and fixes some obvious typos. should be okay for an security update
[06:41] <pitti> siretart: ok, use 1.1 then
[06:42] <siretart> allright
[06:42] <Keybuk> there's a wpasupplicant security problem?
[06:42] <pitti> Keybuk: not so far
[06:43] <Keybuk> I must admit to be confused about how security and updates interact
[06:43] <fabbione> pitti: echo "$bug" | update2securty.py >> debian/changelog
[06:43] <Keybuk> are we doing security updates on the versions in dapper, or the versions in dapper-updates ?
[06:43] <siretart> Keybuk: no. I'm just preparing the upload of the patch I forwarded to you (and you ack'ed)
[06:43] <fabbione> Keybuk: once you start forking you need to do it in both
[06:43] <pitti> Keybuk: both
[06:44] <pitti> Keybuk: that's why I would like to avoid two branches
[06:44] <Keybuk> ah, I see
[06:54] <ivoks> pitti: hi
[06:54] <pitti> hi ivoks
[06:54] <ivoks> pitti: looks like 1.2.2 in on the way :)
[06:55] <pitti> oh joy
[06:55] <ivoks> eh, and changelog will be as big as it was with 1.2.1
[06:56] <bddebian> Bah, still no Xorg 7.1 in Experimental eh? :-)
[06:56] <tseng> tough crowd
[06:59] <ivoks> pitti: there are some changes to pstops
[07:55] <crimsun_> pitti: right, no need to poke the datadir. The definitions in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf (lines 78-87) could be set via asoundconf's convenience macro, too.
[08:12] <shadeofgrey> pardon me everybody
[08:12] <shadeofgrey> i know im not supposed to be here but i just had to stop by and givce props to all the folks that made dapper wjhat it is nlow...
[08:13] <shadeofgrey> straight up, we finally have a full fledged pimped out OS...
[08:13] <shadeofgrey> special thanks go out to all the people that sacrificed sleep and other thing just to make ther deadline
[08:13] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey: you can be here, you just need to stay on topic
[08:14] <LaserJock> and I'm sure all the devs appreciate your kind words
[08:14] <shadeofgrey> well
[08:14] <shadeofgrey> im not done yet if its okay
[08:14] <shadeofgrey> i just wanted to say that when i finally make it, and im pulling a few million a yerar in book deals and advertising on all my blogs,....
[08:15] <shadeofgrey> im going to fly to wherever the highest number of developers are located, and take themn all out for dinner
[08:15] <shadeofgrey> ...and its on me
[08:15] <shadeofgrey> 'id do it just to see how many bottles of $1000 bubbly 40-50 ubuntu developers can drink when provoked
[08:15] <neuralis> shadeofgrey: that would be paris, in about a week.
[08:16] <shadeofgrey> hmmm.
[08:16] <shadeofgrey> well, i wont meeet that dfeadlione
[08:16] <shadeofgrey> but some day im going to spend a small fortune and give back to the devs at least a little of what they've gibven me.
[08:21] <shadeofgrey> ....juyst out of curiosity, are there any really really hot women developers on the team
[08:21] <shadeofgrey> ?
[08:21] <shadeofgrey> ...that also happen to be single?
[08:21] <crimsun_> shadeofgrey: very much off-topic
[08:21] <shadeofgrey> i dig a girl with a nice compiler
[08:22] <shadeofgrey> yeah, okay, im gone...
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> crimsun_: he's high. ;)
[08:39] <bddebian> Damn did I miss a troll? :-)
[08:40] <stuNNed> yeah me
[08:40] <stuNNed> i am under the bridge watching you :P
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> bddebian: shadeofgrey, a very nice, very enthusiastic guy who is quite high due to medication, not a troll. :)
[08:41] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[08:42] <zul> irc and drugs doesnt usually mix
[08:43] <stuNNed> i am smoking crack with pine oil under the bridge watching you :D
[08:51] <bddebian> wow
[09:29] <Keybuk> mdz: so what's the actual plan for spec-review/prioritising ?
[09:30] <Keybuk> you said that the TB would do it this week ... but haven't actually told me or mjg59 when/where/how :p
[09:30] <mdz> Keybuk: yeah, I wish TB fell on today rather than next week
[09:31] <mdz> should we try to round up the gang to talk about it?
[09:31] <Keybuk> mjg59: ping?
[09:31] <mdz> I'm free now but it's getting late for the rest of you
[09:31] <mjg59> Keybuk: Hi
[09:31] <Keybuk> it's ok for me now, I started a little late today
[09:31] <mjg59> I'm about to fall asleep, I'm afraid
[09:31] <Keybuk> sabdfl is in Poland, no?
[09:32] <mdz> yes, I don't think we can expect him to be able to do much until he arrives in Paris
[09:32] <mdz> at which point he will summarily reprioritize everything ;-)
[09:32] <Keybuk> cynical, much? :p
[09:32] <mdz> Keybuk: let's go over it nowish and send mjg59 a transcript
[09:33] <Keybuk> in #u-m ?
[09:33] <mdz> ok
[09:35] <bddebian> Hah, cynicism, I knew I liked mdz for some reason :-)
[10:12] <dieman> grmbl, the network admins found me and seem to be wanting us to use less bandwidth
[10:12] <dieman> i ask them how much is less, and they said they don't really know
[10:12] <dieman> since its a policy issue then
[10:12] <_ion> #define us \
[10:13] <dieman> s/us/mirror.cs.umn.edu/
[10:13] <dieman> one of the releases mirrors
[10:13] <_ion> Ok.
[10:13] <dieman> i tweaked it down a little
[10:13] <dieman> for now until they get back to me
[10:37] <blanky> hey guys
[10:37] <blanky> where can I see what type of programs are in demand or what projects need help, preferably in python
[10:38] <LaserJock> blanky: that's a pretty tall order
[10:38] <blanky> LaserJock, lol, I just remember that they said that they'd like their programs in python
[10:40] <LaserJock> I don't think it *has* to be in Python
[10:45] <dieman> blanky: you can always poke through bugs on launchpad.net and add patches
[10:45] <blanky> dieman, ah okay, cool
[10:45] <blanky> launchpad.net then
[10:46] <dieman> blanky: you may want to join ubuntu-motu, also
[10:46] <dieman> (the channel #ubuntu-motu, rather)
[10:46] <dieman> blanky: and the url in the topic, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[10:46] <blanky> been there, no one's there lol
[10:46] <blanky> thanks dieman
[11:00] <Whoopie> pitti: you mentioned in bug #34112 that libgnomeprint2.2-0 is in the archives. But I didn't get an update. Is this also related to the mirroring issue?
[11:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34112 in libgnomeprint "gnome programs don't respect ~/.cups/lpoptions" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34112
[11:03] <pitti> Whoopie: yes, it's in the archive for ages
[11:04] <pitti> libgnomeprint | 2.12.1-3ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Sources
[11:05] <bluefoxicy> has anyone else tried to boot dapper x86 desktop CD in qemu?
[11:06] <Whoopie> pitti: ok, thanks. BTW, could you perhaps explain me shortly how the package build works in dapper-updates? I heard that it's not done automaticly.
[11:06] <pitti> Whoopie: just dist-upgrade, you should get it
[11:08] <Whoopie> no chance. it's not there. And I have enabled dapper-updates in sources.list.
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> God that took forever and bootsplash died.
[11:08] <pitti> Whoopie: what does 'dpkg -s libgnomeprint2.2-0|grep Version' say?
[11:09] <Whoopie> pitti: Version: 2.12.1-3ubuntu1
[11:09] <mdke> is there any way I can get information about the new mozilla-thunderbird that appears to be in the archive? I can't find anything on changelogs.u.c or dapper-changes
[11:10] <pitti> Whoopie: then that's the old version, -3ubuntu2 has the fix
[11:10] <pitti> mdke: in the USN I'm going to send out as soon as this damn enigmail appears on the mirror
[11:10] <pitti> mdke: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-297-1 so far
[11:10] <Whoopie> pitti: yes. But I can do as many "apt-get update", it will not appear.
[11:11] <mdke> pitti: oh, I wondered why it wanted to remove enigmail. that's the only reason I wanted the changelog :)
[11:11] <mdke> thanks
[11:11] <pitti> Whoopie: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't want to install it?
[11:11] <Whoopie> pitti: yes.
[11:11] <pitti> Whoopie: apt-cache madison libgnomeprint2.2-0
[11:13] <Whoopie> libgnomeprint2.2-0 | 2.12.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[11:13] <Whoopie> libgnomeprint | 2.12.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[11:13] <Whoopie> libgnomeprint | 2.12.1-3ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Sources
[11:13] <Whoopie> that's it.
[11:13] <ogra> wsas it ever triggered to be built ?
[11:13] <ogra> *was
[11:14] <ogra> (builds need manual love currently)
[11:14] <ogra> pitti, ? ^^
[11:14] <carlos> pitti: ping, do you have 5 minutes for me?
[11:15] <pitti> ogra: sure, I uploaded it ages ago when the buildds were working
[11:15] <pitti> ogra: oh, hm, it's indeed not htere
[11:15] <pitti> Whoopie: so, I apologize, it's really not on the mirrors
[11:15] <Whoopie> pitti: np
[11:15] <pitti> darn, the current problem started this morning
[11:16] <pitti> mdz: is it possible that 2.12.1-3ubuntu2 binaries are still in the to-be-approved queue for dapper-updates?
[11:18] <ogra> pitti, there was a big lot approved yesterday from the -updates queue but i dont see any print stuff
[11:18] <pitti> Keybuk: could you please check another thing for me on drescher? does it have pool/main/libg/libgnomeprint/*2.12.1-3ubuntu2*deb?
[11:19] <Whoopie> pitti: I didn't see it at the dapper-changes mailing list. That was the reason I was really surprised it should be in dapper-updates.
[11:21] <Keybuk> pitti: no it does not
[11:21] <pitti> Keybuk: don't take it personally, but since recently it just falls apart underneath me
[11:21] <Keybuk> pitti: where did you upload that?
[11:21] <pitti> Whoopie: well, the *source* is on the mirror
[11:22] <Keybuk> which buildds would that be built on?
[11:22] <pitti> Keybuk: June 7th
[11:23] <pitti> Keybuk: bah, it still says 'needs building' everywhere
[11:23] <Keybuk> right, it's an upload to -updates, yes?
[11:23] <Keybuk>    40759 | S- | libgnomeprint        | 2.12.1-3ubuntu2      | six days
[11:23] <Keybuk>          | * libgnomeprint/2.12.1-3ubuntu2 Component: main Section: libs
[11:23] <pitti> yes
[11:23] <Keybuk> yes
[11:23] <Keybuk> have you asked infinity about it?
[11:23] <Keybuk> he's running all builds by hand
[11:23] <pitti> Keybuk: not particularly, should I?
[11:23] <pitti> ooooh
[11:25] <pitti> Keybuk: does that affect other -updates uploads, too? I'm not sure that everyone asked infinity for every single upload
[11:27] <pitti> Keybuk: ok, thanks for the hint. I'll ask him when he's alive again
[11:27] <Keybuk> it depends whether he's looked or not
[11:28] <Whoopie> BTW, other thundbird extensions like thunderbird-quickfile are also affected by the security update. Will they be rebuilt?
[11:28] <Keybuk> chances are you just got caught in the weekend and early week illness
[11:29] <pitti> Whoopie: yes, once the mirrors work again
[11:30] <Whoopie> pitti: okay, sorry.
[11:32] <Whoopie> pitti: I just mentioned it because e.g. firefox-dom-inspector wasn't rebuilt and is also in universe.
[11:37] <pitti> Whoopie: yes, because that one is built from the firefox source itself
[11:40] <mdz> infinity: around?
[11:51] <sabdfl> howdy all
[11:51] <sabdfl> greetings from warsaw
[11:51] <pygi> hey hey mark
[11:51] <Keybuk> dy well thankyou
[11:52] <sabdfl> mdz, Keybuk: 134 specs for paris, and counting...
[11:52] <Keybuk> 134 ?!
[11:52] <Keybuk> it was 133 a moment ago
[11:52] <sabdfl> that's headed for montreal figures
[11:52] <Keybuk> have you been sneaking specs in under our nose?
[11:52] <ogra> heh
[11:52] <sabdfl> Keybuk: not a one, yet
[11:52] <Keybuk> sabdfl:  lies ... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/tab-consistency
[11:52] <sabdfl> i don't want to be accused of providing the straw to the camel
[11:53] <sabdfl> this launchpad everything-is-visible thing is doggarn dangerous
[11:55] <sabdfl> Keybuk: and https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-firefox-support
[11:55] <sabdfl> so, two
[11:55] <sabdfl> a remarkable discipline, considering ;-)
[11:56] <ajmitch> hi sabdfl
[11:57] <sabdfl> hey ajmitch
[11:58] <zul> hey sabdfl
[12:01] <jmg> morning all :)
[12:01] <ajmitch> morning jmg
[12:01] <jmg> my spec has finally changed status :)
[12:02] <jmg> pity i missed the meeting
[12:02] <mdz> Keybuk: I added a new one a moment ago


https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development/+merge/457169
[14:39] <tsimonq2> TIL KLed
[14:44] <tsimonq2> There was a grub2 upload yesterday..........
[14:44] <tsimonq2> Also, arraybolt3 has been fighting those fires iirc
 I like KLed ;) : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/b8149097/file_10207.jpg
[15:15] <tsimonq2> https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/installer-prompt/commit/38bb3a785b161cb2faefe599002d28fcf62263c3
[15:15] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 38bb3a7 in Lubuntu/installer-prompt "Move to using KLed instead of manually specifying a unicode button."
[15:16] <tsimonq2>             statusIndicator = "❌ " + statusText;
[15:16] <tsimonq2>             ui->connectionLED->setColor(Qt::red);
[15:16] <tsimonq2>             ui->connectionLED->setState(KLed::Off);
[15:16] <tsimonq2> First line is what was removed, last two was what I replaced it with.
 Oh nice! That is pretty cool.
[17:20] <tsimonq2> https://api.kde.org/frameworks/kwidgetsaddons/html/classKBusyIndicatorWidget.html should document setVisible unless I'm just reading too quickly
[18:19] <tsimonq2> I have some nice UX now included with the language switcher. And, it works.
[18:20] <tsimonq2> I just have some error handling to add, then I'll be tagging/releasing/uploading to Noble.
[18:20] <tsimonq2> Since I *think* our daily was spun already, this is major enough where I'll respin it again.
[18:20] <tsimonq2> Will keep you all posted in the coming hours.
 @Roberalz What's your vote on adding LibreOffice translations as well?
 It wouldn't be bad if it's not a lot of disk space. (re @tsimonq2: @Roberalz What's your vote on adding LibreOffice translations as well?)
 About 4-5 megs per language (re @Roberalz: It wouldn't be bad if it's not a lot of disk space.)
 Does that seem reasonable on your end?
 If the installer does that, I think we can save that space
 2 quick installs @tsimonq2 Lub Noble ISo 20231209.1 - all good - no grub errors
 Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (re @Leokolb: 2 quick installs @tsimonq2 Lub Noble ISo 20231209.1 - all good - no grub errors)
[19:38] <tsimonq2> Doing a final build, then installer-prompt hits the archive. When it migrates, I'll be respinning again. Please test the absolute heck out of both the language and WiFi support in that.
[19:53]  * tsimonq2 does lesigh at XDG vars not being picked up correctly on this thing...
[19:55]  * tsimonq2 consults the Ancient Scrolls...
[19:55] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/xdg/
[19:59] <tsimonq2> I am SO happy I documented that. Fixed, will push out a 1.0.1.
[20:00] <tsimonq2> casper upload soon to follow.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> 502 Bad Gateway
[21:22] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Yeah, teward has it under lock and key right now.
[21:22] <tsimonq2> RikMills, Eickmeyer, arraybolt3: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.488
[21:22] <tsimonq2> Removed some old KDM and LXDM garbage that we don't need anymore.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Please tell me you at least pushed the commit to the repo otherwise I know a certain AA/RM/TBm/SRUTm who is going to be very annoyed.
[21:25] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Since I shouldn't have permissions but I do, and I JFD this upload without a review, yeah: https://git.launchpad.net/casper
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: As a core dev, you do (and should, aiui now.)
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Makes sense. When we start talking Wayland sessions next cycle, we're likely going to have to revisit this part of casper.
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I doubt Wayland sessions will be in a directory called XSessions. :P
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Anyway, at least it's much more manageable to read now.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> If you ever forget it is, you can just grep for "Ubuntu Studio" in the source ;)
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> Uh... read XSessions not as X11Sessions, but XDGSessions.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> *where it is
[21:27] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Still... we'll have to have some kind of tetris here.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> XDG != X11 but Freedesktop Guidelines
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> Wayland falls under XDG
[21:27] <tsimonq2> TIL, but if *I'm* confused, what will the average sysadmin think? :P
[21:28] <tsimonq2> *shrug* bikeshedding
[21:28] <tsimonq2> anyway
[21:28] <tsimonq2> Everything for the installer prompt should be all set.
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> Therefore, session management definitions for wayland *absolutely* are in XSessions. (I know because plasma wayland has one)
[21:28]  * tsimonq2 throws them all in SDDMSessions out of spite :P
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> heh
[21:29] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I hope that makes everyone's Noble install boot a couple milliseconds faster. :P
[21:29]  * tsimonq2 has no idea how long Bash loops actually take...
[21:29] <tsimonq2> er bash conditions in this case
[21:29] <tsimonq2> *conditionals
[21:29] <tsimonq2> holy man I need a break XD brb
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio has been installing Plasma Wayland by default for two releases, but not setting it as default, mostly because that's been set by Kubuntu. Kubuntu is too scared to take the leap despite guidance from KDE.
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> k
 Anyway, I hope that makes everyone's Noble install boot a couple milliseconds faster. :P > Spoken like a true engineer. (Star Trek Lower Decks reference)
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Before I go real quick, the only real regression potential with this upload is if Kubuntu or Ubuntu Studio don't ship /root/usr/share/xsessions/plasma.desktop in their live install.
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Unlikely.
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> Highly unlikely.
[21:31] <tsimonq2> s/\/root//
[21:31] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Well, at least you're aware of the slight risk now. :P
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> Just means I have to change casper if I change desktop environment. Thanks, you locked us in. :P
[21:35] <teward> Eickmeyer: phab is under lockdown.  I can retrieve specific pages but Simon and Dan need to help migrate wiki data out
[21:35] <teward> just an fyi ;)
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> teward: No worries. I was just going to compare that page to info that may or may not be available on freedesktop.org.
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> So, not urgent at all, and completely unnecessary.
 Whoops, now that I'm thinking back, I think I forgot the runtime library for the extra KDE widgets when doing that installer prompt upload.
 That's literally a theming issue though, so if you haven't seen it before it won't be obvious that it's missing ;)
 Home now just to grab some food, I'll be headed back to the office soon to look over Aaron's rough draft and flesh out a good blog post


[12:14] <danfrincu> is mago still working on ubuntu natty?
[12:20] <danfrincu> I get an error "from xpresser import xutils
[12:20] <danfrincu> ImportError: cannot import name xutils
[12:20] <danfrincu> xutils is installed as a package