[00:56] <lamont> soren: you around>?
[01:18] <pitti> hi
[01:19] <pitti> rtg, BenC: argh, after hal the serial.h header bug now struck cups
[01:19] <pitti> would you guys consider bug 302888 as something which needs to be fixed, or something which is intended and needs to be changed in hal/cups/etc.?
[01:28] <pitti> ah, I checked upstream, it's not a bug there
[01:28] <pitti> seems to be an Ubuntu-introduced bug
[01:29] <rtg> pitti: hi, its on my todo list. I'll check it first thing in the morning.
[01:29] <pitti> rtg: great, thanks; so I
[01:29] <pitti> 'll just let the FTBFS sit there
[06:47] <soren> lamont: What's up?
[07:52] <tjaalton> are there plans to build multipath-modules for the installer?
[12:09] <Kano> hi BenC , are you working on 2.6.28-rc7?
[12:10] <NCommander> hey BenC, do we have any plans to move madwifi from LRM to the ubuntu folder now that its HAL is open?
[12:12] <Kano> NCommander: i dont think the madwifi code changed
[12:12] <NCommander> Kano, no, they released the HAL for it
[12:12] <Kano> there the blob still exists
[12:12] <NCommander> aka, the closed source blob
[12:15] <amitk> it would probably make more sense to get rid of madwifi completely if ath5k and ath9k work for a majority of the users.
[12:16] <NCommander> As long as madwifi is maintained, it should still be an option
[12:16] <NCommander> People get kinda pissed when their hardware stops working all of a sudden
[12:17] <NCommander> i.e. Windows Vista
[12:17] <Kano> well kanotix users have got no complains against ath5k, i enabled it - as little diff to your config
[12:17] <Kano> so eee pc and co works out of the box
[13:20] <rtg> apw: I responded re LP 302888 and 303711.
[13:20] <apw> rtg cool
[13:21] <Kano> hi rtg , how about 2.6.28-rc7
[13:21] <rtg> Kano: I take it from your question that it must be out :)
[13:21] <apw> rtg, will sort it out now
[13:22] <BenC> Kano: As usual we are working on it as quickly as possible, without concern for outside questining
[13:22] <BenC> questioning
[13:23]  * apw had something to ask benc ... what was it ... oh yeah, did you do the roll forward from Hardy to Intrepid?
[13:23] <Kano> BenC: well i did not see any new commits ;)
[13:23] <Kano> i want nfs working, did anybody else that that
[13:23] <BenC> apw: Hmm....I think so, but that was awhile ago :)
[13:23] <apw> benc, we lost an unbutu driver, specifically
[13:24] <apw> benc, we lost an ubuntu driver, specifically the snd-aloop one, and wondered if you remebered the history
[13:24] <smb_tp> apw, are you sure we lost it or is that just a rename?
[13:24] <rtg> apw: was it in the ALSA directory?
[13:24] <rtg> sound, rather
[13:25] <smb_tp> That clue with dummy seemed good
[13:25] <BenC> apw: we had an ubuntu driver called snd-aloop?
[13:26] <BenC> apw: if it was in alsa proper, best bet is to check alsa history
[13:27] <apw> BenC, no it was in l-u-m
[13:27] <BenC> apw: but the sound drivers in lum were just a tarball of upstream
[13:27] <smb_tp> apw, It was in lum but under sound which is alsa
[13:27] <BenC> apw: so we didn't really pay attention to individual drivers in it
[13:28] <apw> hmmm ... ok then will go look at it from that point of view
[13:28] <BenC> except maybe snd-hda-intel
[13:28] <smb_tp> well that should be upstream as well. maybe even more upstream than the rest
[13:29] <apw> rtg, that header file fix is pushed up to jaunty
[13:29] <BenC> rtg: Can you get me a cup of coffee too :)
[13:29] <smb_tp> oh you referred to paying attention
[13:29]  * apw salivates ... and has to go make one
[13:29] <BenC> My brain is only at about 70% right now...need that extra caffeine kick to get to 71%
[13:34] <smb_tp> apw, snd-dummy really looks alike snd-aloop beside of having everything renamed from loopback to dummy...
[13:34] <rtg> BenC: I've got time to rebase and test build Jaunty this morning. OK?
[13:34] <apw> smb_tp, interesting ... i did see one commit which talked about dummy which sounded like it do something
[13:34] <apw> will do compare them
[13:36] <BenC> rtg: Have at it :)
[13:36] <rtg> BenC: will do. coffee is almost ready. bought a new 5lb bag of Italian roast just yesterday.
[13:39] <BenC> mmmm...italian
[13:39] <smb_tp> rtg, Need COIP ;-)
[13:41] <amitk> Anybody working on LRM/meta for Jaunty?
[13:41] <BenC> amitk: I was going to do that since rtg had the rebase, but if you are already started, it's yours
[13:42] <amitk> BenC: not started. I'll be busy this week with ARM.
[13:42] <BenC> amitk: do you have the linux-meta armel portion?
[13:42] <BenC> amitk: Ok, I'll get lrm forward ported then
[13:42] <amitk> BenC: not yet. Since I was waiting for the fallout from the -ub- version_signature discussion
[13:42] <BenC> rtg: When you do the rebase, can you remember to remove the via chrome9 drivers from ubuntu/?
[13:43] <rtg> BenC: can do. amitk - you promised a discussion for why you added -ub to package names.
[13:44] <BenC> rtg: basically to help identify ubuntu machines with upstream bug reporting and oops reporting
[13:44] <apw> rtg, while we are on the subject of version, i got that patch to put the ubuntu upload+changelog into the /proc/version #N field
[13:44] <amitk> rtg: yes. As soon as I am done with the spec here.
[13:44] <BenC> apw: that would be nice
[13:44] <apw> Linux version 2.6.27-10-generic (root@dm) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11) ) #21~lp276943apw1 SMP Mon Dec 1 17:56:07 GMT 2008
[13:45] <apw> note the
[13:45] <apw> note the #21~... in there where we always have #1
[13:45] <apw> also note that in theory this would also be in the oops output
[13:45] <BenC> what is the ~lp... ?
[13:45] <apw> that is a local change tree i have installed, and i added that to the changelog
[13:46] <amitk> BenC: with apw's patch to /proc/version and in the oops patch, we should be able to revert the -ub change
[13:46] <BenC> apw: can you paste "head -1 " of changelog so I can see what it is parsing into it?
[13:46] <apw> ie. what i put in there is everything after the abi number
[13:46] <BenC> ok
[13:46] <rtg> BenC: adding -ub to the package name does't have anything to do with kerneloops, does it? I thought it was all in /proc/signature
[13:46] <apw> linux (2.6.27-10.21~lp276943apw1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[13:46] <apw> so normally we would expect it to be #21 or maybe #21ubuntu1
[13:47] <BenC> rtg: well changing the package name made things easier in the build scripts, since it is assumed that the package name matches the kernel version name
[13:47] <apw> this is a local build for testing so i bung that into the changelog too
[13:47] <apw> yeah you don't have much choice but to change the name if you add it to the real version
[13:48] <apw> the other options were to just change the ooops output, to add a marker
[13:48] <apw> though logically it would be better for mainline to add a CONFIG_DISTRO
[13:48] <apw> and default that to mainline
[13:48] <BenC> amitk: so how does kerneloops tell that it is an ubuntu proper kernel and not just a kernel built on an ubuntu machine?
[13:48] <apw> so all oopses had mainline <version>, or Ubuntu <version>
[13:50] <BenC> apw: that was kind of the idea behind version_signature, but I wasn't prepared to push it hard enough to send it to linux-kernel@
[13:51] <apw> well it would be sensible enough, we just need it in the oops output
[13:51] <rtg> BenC: why am I ripping out via_chrome9  (which appears to be enabled) ? Is there an LP report?
[13:51] <amitk> BenC: it scans dmesg for oopses
[13:52] <amitk> BenC: here is a sample first line from Fedora
[13:52] <amitk> Linux version 2.6.24-0.77.rc4.git4.fc9 (kojibuilder@) (gcc version 4.1.2 2007112
[13:52] <amitk> 4 (Red Hat 4.1.2-35)) #1 SMP Thu Dec 6 16:50:13 EST 2007
[13:53] <BenC> rtg: because it is in mainline now
[13:53] <rtg> uh, I guess that makes sense :)
[13:54] <BenC> amitk: right, but how is our kernel going to look different than a kernel a user built, or do they not care about that?
[13:55] <amitk> BenC: they don't care unless it is tainted
[13:56] <BenC> amitk: that sucks, because I care :)
[13:56] <amitk> BenC: you want to differentiate official kernels from user-compiled ones?
[13:56] <BenC> amitk: then why couldn't they just check for Ubuntu in the kernel oops already...that's always been there
[13:57] <BenC> amitk: it's always been in oops and /proc/version
[14:00] <amitk> BenC: our /proc/version in intrepid is
[14:00] <amitk> Linux version 2.6.27-10-generic (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11) ) #1 SMP Fri Nov 21 19:19:18 UTC 2008
[14:00] <amitk> The first part has no mention of ubuntu
[14:01] <amitk> The only Ubuntu in there is related to the gcc toolchain use
[14:01] <amitk> *used
[14:01] <apw> and oopsen only use that first version field
[14:01]  * amitk nods
[14:01] <apw> well thats not quite true, they also include the #1 field
[14:02] <apw> one of my alternative patches put -Ubuntu in there,  #1-Ubuntu
[14:02] <apw> we could combine that with my other patch to make it like #12-Ubuntu
[14:07] <BenC> apw: for our official kernels, that would be sweet
[14:07] <BenC> apw: where can I find the patch?
[14:08] <apw> we can probabally even key that off the whether we are under an autobuilder
[14:08] <apw> BenC, want me to send it out?
[14:08] <BenC> apw: that's easy to do, see debian/rules.d/0-*, there's a check for CurrentlyBuilding or something similar
[14:08] <BenC> apw: that means we are under a build daemon
[14:08] <BenC> apw: yes, please
[14:08] <apw> i'll poke it so it adds the -Ubuntu on autobuilder and send it to the kernel team list
[14:16] <rtg> BenC: have you ever considered removing debian/control, debian/control.stub, and debian/d-i/kernel-versions from git ? All of these files are generated and often cause rebase conflicts.
[14:16] <apw> i often wonder why we have the abi files in there either
[14:17] <apw> other than the getabi thing being very slow cause it gets the whole kernel package
[14:17] <rtg> apw: well, the ABI for the previous version really needs to be there.
[14:17] <BenC> rtg: odd, I've never had a rebase conflict with them
[14:17] <apw> we need to know it for the build right, but not necessary in the source tree itself?
[14:18] <BenC> apw: it needs to be there so we can easily go back through history
[14:18] <apw> are they not in the pacakges we released too tho?
[14:18] <BenC> apw: they are pertinent to the state of the tree
[14:18] <rtg> BenC: I'm having a rebase conflict with the -ub additions in debian/d-i/kernel-versions.in, and I'm not quite sure why.
[14:18] <BenC> apw: they packages we released will disappear sooner then the end of the development cycle :)
[14:18] <apw> fair point
[14:19] <BenC> rtg: easy enough to just ignore those...I've never had issue with that before
[14:19] <BenC> regen at the end of the rebase
[14:19] <rtg> BenC: well, I can't exactly ignore kernel-versions.in, that one I have to resolve. the rest are no problem.
[14:20] <amitk> rtg: just delete those files before you start the rebase and regen them at the end
[14:20] <BenC> rtg: I suspect that it more to do with armel and -ub- clashes rather than just normal stuff
[14:20] <amitk> rtg: .in versions for the generated versions?
[14:20] <apw> BenC, actually the given the abi cannot change within an -N abi stream and given the each abi is a differnt package, then all the abis should be available always
[14:20] <rtg> BenC: isn't that what I said?
[14:20] <amitk> s/for/or
[14:21] <BenC> apw: as I said though, the abi files are very pertinent to the state of the tree, so they should be there
[14:21] <BenC> apw: we shouldn't have to download the abi files to go back through history...easier to just use git
[14:21] <apw> fair enough, just usual to have generated stuff in there
[14:22] <BenC> rtg: oh, I thought you just said -ub-....I was just remembering a bit of merging I had to do with amitk's -armel stuff and -ub- changes
[14:22] <BenC> apw: abi files aren't generated in the tree though...we have to fetch them
[14:22] <BenC> you can probably make the case for control,control.stub,kernel-versions though
[14:23] <BenC> as long as they get added to .git-ignore, I wont complain :)
[14:23] <apw> BenC, i cannot argue with that
[14:24] <BenC> It might be best to keep them though...we've always assumed that git tags hold the exact source we uploaded
[14:25] <amitk> BenC: until we rebase, that is.. Then the tags are meaningless
[14:25] <apw> well no the old tags are still there, they don't move
[14:26] <amitk> BenC has a retag script :)
[14:26] <apw> he is a bad bad man
[14:26] <BenC> I keep the original tags though
[14:27] <BenC> like Ubuntu-2.6.28-1.1.orig
[14:27] <apw> why would we move them ever?  don't they correspond to something specific?
[14:27] <BenC> and they never get overwritten after they are created
[14:27] <BenC> apw: we move them so they correspond to git history
[14:27] <BenC> apw: it's good to have the original and the retag
[14:28] <apw> why do we need the new ones?  the old ones tell you how to get the source as it was for that release
[14:28] <BenC> apw: because if they don't correspond to the new line of history, we can't git-bisect
[14:28] <apw> what do the new ones on the rebase tell us
[14:28]  * apw mulls that over
[14:28] <BenC> if you rebase, you can't bisect from HEAD back to 2.6.28-1.1
[14:29] <BenC> unless you use the updated tag that corresponds to the new line of history
[14:29] <BenC> and the old tags make it so we can keep a link back to the actual upload
[14:29] <rtg> BenC: debian/scripts/misc/retag before you startnewrelease, right?
[14:29] <apw> although the fact it worked in 2.6.28-1.1 means nothing in the new kernel
[14:30] <BenC> rtg: you can run it at any time
[14:30] <apw> as the new kernel has new stuff 'older than' 2.6.28-1.1
[14:30] <apw> so its not obvious a known good point on an older branch means anything int eh new tree
[14:30] <BenC> apw: it's very subtle, but I did write the script because our process demanded it at a few points during development :)
[14:30] <amitk> these tags are useful for bisecting only inside Ubuntu's patches
[14:30]  * BenC doesn't add scripts for no particular purpose
[14:31] <apw> heh, not doubting there is a use case for them
[14:31] <apw> just my 'perfection' beeper is going off at the thought of ever changing the tags
[14:31] <BenC> apw: the reason we rebase here instead of merge is because when we bisect, we want to be sure we are bisecting ubuntu patches and not upstream
[14:32] <BenC> apw: when we bisect upstream, we don't want to be bisecting ubuntu patches in the middle of it
[14:32] <BenC> apw: if you want, rtg and I can rehash our old arguments for and against this at UDS :)
[14:32] <apw> yeah am happy we rebase, that helps keep our delta contained and minimised, even if it is painful
[14:33] <apw> i had not expected the tags to move, and i can see why they might, not sure they are entirly valid given a good result on a kernel with an older version of the tag, but i can see how it does help to have the split on the current set too
[14:33]  * apw adds 'if there is a .orig for a tag, its the master' to his mental model
[14:33] <BenC> apw: after the kernel goes stable, we don't rebase anymore, so the moving target is usually only during development cycle
[14:35] <apw> BenC, i can see i would have done something similar (now i have all the facts) though i would probabally have kept the original tags unchanges and made like a Ubuntu-2.6.27-10-2, -3 etc for each of their new positions, but the effect is the same
[14:46] <apw> BenC, patch for the #NN -> #21-Ubuntu is in the pipe
[14:52] <rtg> apw: you didn't push it, right? 'cause I'm gonna clobber stuff when I push Jaunty.
[14:53] <apw> rtg, it ?
[14:53] <rtg> apw: ' patch for the #NN -> #21-Ubuntu is in the pipe'
[14:54] <apw> nope, that means 'on the way to the mailing list'
[14:54] <apw> i did push the other fix, but i assume you have done your thing since then
[14:54] <apw> if not i'll do it again
[14:56] <rtg> apw: I have the __u32 fix, and my chrome9 patch is still top of the gitweb.
[14:57] <apw> rtg all sounds good to me
[15:00] <rtg> hmm, looks like the biking season has come to an abrupt end. in the last 2 hours 2 inches of snow has accumulated.
[15:08] <rtg> amitk: iop32xx FTBS'd on the last upload. do you expect that it will succeed this time?
[15:10] <amitk> rtg: 2.6.28-1.1?
[15:10] <rtg> amitk: yes
[15:11] <amitk> rtg: I see it successfully built
[15:11] <amitk> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.28-1.1/+build/798103
[15:12] <rtg> amitk: getabi failed, so I assumed.... lemme go look closer
[15:12] <lamont> OH HAI.  I CAN HAZ MY ETHERNET BACK PLS?
[15:13] <rtg> lamont: ARE YOU DEEF?
[15:13] <lamont> I did a dist-upgrade, intrepid-security kernel, and *poof* no BCM4401-B0 agaiin
[15:13] <rtg> lamont: you have LBM installed, right?
[15:15] <lamont> linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-9-generic is already the newest version.
[15:15] <rtg> lamont: you'll likely have to pull from -propsed
[15:15] <rtg> -proposed, even
[15:16] <lamont> so when does intrepid release then?
[15:16] <rtg> early Q1 probably
[15:16] <lamont> yeah - please to quit breaking
[15:16] <lamont> kthx
[15:16] <rtg> lamont: bitch and moan
[15:17] <lamont> I realize it's not like anyone is actually using it or anything.... :-(
[15:19] <rtg> amitk: the problem is the package name, e.g., iop32x v.s. iop32xx
[15:20] <lamont> rtg: 2.6.27-10?
[15:20] <rtg> lamont: that should be the version in -proposed
[15:20] <lamont> yeah, but no way in hell I'm dist-upgrading from -proposed --> cherrypick
[15:21] <rtg> lamont: why not? its your laptop. ots not like its a production server
[15:21] <lamont> my laptop
[15:21] <lamont> == production lifeblood
[15:21] <rtg> lamont: what model?
[15:22] <lamont> inspiron 1520
[15:22] <rtg> lamont: I think I have one of those. I'll test it, but I think -proposed is working pretty good.
[15:23] <rtg> I know for sure the b44 issue is resolved.
[15:23] <lamont> which still brings up the question of how -updates got the b0rked one.  again.
[15:24] <Kano> maybe remove the backport modules
[15:24] <rtg> 'cause we has a -security kernel update which necessitated an ABI bump.
[15:24] <rtg> LBM has not been promoted to -updates in awhile
[15:24] <rtg> Intrepid LBM, that is.
[15:25] <lamont> rtg: one would expect that we'd rev lbm at the same time...
[15:25] <lamont> and the currently running kernel is -9
[15:25] <rtg> lamont: I did, but only the ABI number. I'll bug pitti, its probably time to push LBM to -updates
[15:35] <amitk> rtg: it should've been iop32x
[15:38] <BenC> sweet, lrm builds without problems under 2.6.28
[15:47] <BenC> rtg: let me know when you get -2.2 uploaded and I'll follow with an lrm to match it
[15:50] <rtg> BenC: still test building. I ran into a problem getting ABI files, etc. also had some background distractions with Intrepid LBM.
[16:03] <rtg> fabbione: I've been meaning to ask you if we still need gfs? Is fs/gfs2 sufficient?
[16:05] <fabbione> rtg: you still need gfs for at least another 3/4 years I guess
[16:05] <fabbione> rtg: you can drop gnbd
[16:05] <fabbione> rtg: gnbd has been deprecated upstream
[16:05] <rtg> fabbione: thanks, consider it gone.
[16:06] <fabbione> rtg: do you need a newer gfs for .28?
[16:06] <rtg> fabbione: yep
[16:06] <fabbione> rtg: remember that now gfs doesn't need any extra patches to kernel like it used to
[16:06] <rtg> fabbione: I think BenC just forward ported Intrepid gfs to Jaunty
[16:06] <fabbione> rtg: old versions of gfs required some exported symbols from gfs2. This is not the case anymore since .27
[16:07] <fabbione> rtg: I dunno.. I'd like to see the patches tho so we can actually apply them upstream
[16:07] <fabbione> rtg: also.. you guys should really stop doing that forward port without upstream..
[16:07] <fabbione> or at least talk to us
[16:08] <fabbione> it's bad for you as you lack tons of bug fixes
[16:08] <fabbione> and your gfs doesn't go through QA
[16:08] <fabbione> so if it breaks you keep the pieces :)
[16:08] <rtg> fabbione: I agree with everything you're saying. its a matter of resources.
[16:09] <fabbione> rtg: if you have the time to port gfs, you have the time to send me an email, same as you can ping me on IRC :)
[16:09] <rtg> fabbione: well, I was still busy with Intrepid while BenC was doing Jaunty, so the stink is on him.
[16:10] <fabbione> rtg: i didn't blame you.. just that the resource thing doesn't hold with me as I have been there before :P
[16:11] <apw> fabbione, i suspect he did a git rebase, and it 'worked' so its wasn't any effort
[16:11] <apw> (other for the computer)
[16:11] <BenC> fabbione: gfs didn't build right away, so I just disabled it for the first upload
[16:11] <BenC> fabbione: intentions were to download the newer version for next upload
[16:12] <fabbione> BenC: ok. we don't have a version for .28 yet
[16:12] <BenC> fabbione: I did no porting to gfs at all
[16:12] <fabbione> BenC: ok :)
[16:12] <fabbione> BenC: i'll ping you as usual to do a pull when it's ready
[16:12] <fabbione> no panic
[16:12] <BenC> s/GFS=m/GFS is not enabled/
[16:13]  * apw senses an effort shift to fabbione ... excellent for us :)
[16:13] <fabbione> Juanty barely started
[16:13] <fabbione> apw: you have no idea who I am, do you?
[16:13] <BenC> fabbione: sure thing...I can do the pull whenever it's ready
[16:14] <BenC> apw: fabbione is the godfather that brought me into canonical as the "kernel team"
[16:14] <fabbione> BenC: absolutely.. usual stuff, or I'll make sure that your shrink will be rich out of your money for the next 100 sessions
[16:14] <apw> heh nope no clue ...
[16:14] <fabbione> apw: I used to be the kernel team alone for about 2 releases
[16:14] <fabbione> apw: :)
[16:14] <BenC> fabbione: My shrink is named beer, and he's pretty cheap
[16:14] <apw> that i don't envy you :)
[16:14] <fabbione> and at the time there were more arches to support than you do
[16:15] <fabbione> BenC: should I really really remind you about me trying to grab your ass at night??
[16:15] <apw> yeah that must have been at best 'mad' ...
[16:15] <BenC> fabbione: but you weren't the OEM's little mistress back then :)
[16:15] <BenC> fabbione: it took several weeks of beer and jaegar bombs to get over that night
[16:15]  * BenC shivers
[16:15] <fabbione> BenC: ehheeh true that...
[16:15] <fabbione> haha
[16:17] <fabbione> anyway.. kill gnbd
[16:17] <fabbione> I'll make userland disappear soonish
[16:18] <BenC> fabbione: I think clan now has a 3 foot minimum spacing between beds in shared rooms requirement because of my complaints about that
[16:18] <fabbione> apw: and btw.. now I am release manager for gfs :)
[16:18] <fabbione> BenC: ROFL
[16:18] <fabbione> apw: for me it's a no brain to do it for ubuntu
[16:20] <BenC> fabbione: especially because I don't think jono is any safer than you are even though he is married now
[16:20] <BenC> fabbione: when do you think a gfs pull will be ready?
[16:21] <fabbione> BenC: end of next week maybe
[16:21] <fabbione> BenC: I am rebuildnig the whole datacenter here
[16:21] <fabbione> BenC: and I had too many issues before I could start reinstalling the community clusters (fedora, ubuntu etc)
[16:22] <fabbione> BenC: i need to show you pictures of what I have done here :)
[16:22] <apw> fabbione, nice to know :)  i am a lowly pleb
[16:22] <fabbione> BenC: a 8 heads workstation ;)
[16:23] <fabbione> BenC: 5000x2300 resolution.. given or taken :)
[16:23]  * amitk thinks of forwarding the irc log to clan to push for separate rooms
[16:23] <fabbione> amitk: ahah you have my blessing!
[16:23] <fabbione> HI CLAN!
[16:23] <fabbione> :)
[16:23] <BenC> amitk: either that, or we should have a mental anxiety reimbursement :)
[16:24] <amitk> fabbione: sweet... played flight simulator on that?
[16:24] <fabbione> amitk: not yet.. i just installed it 2 days ago :)
[16:24] <fabbione> amitk: but the CPU is not a gaming one
[16:24]  * BenC imagines fabbione playing frets of fire and having the biggest video crowd ever!
[16:24] <fabbione> BenC: try to imagine something more useful than gaming
[16:25] <fabbione> this is the best Porn machine ever
[16:25] <BenC> hehe
[16:25] <fabbione> 8 porn movies at the same time!
[16:25] <fabbione> (welcome to quote me ;))
[16:25] <BenC> 2girls1cup, mr hands, pain olympics, and all their glory
[16:25] <Nafallo> AltGr+e ftw? ;-)
[16:47] <zul> fabbione: nice
[16:48] <apw> rtg did you push the tags for this new jaunty?
[16:48] <apw> i have a -2.2 tag, but the 1.1 and 0.0 are missing
[16:48] <rtg> apw: I did
[16:49] <rtg> apw: it says everything is up to date
[16:49] <apw> hmmm ... they are still in their originals on my fetch
[16:49] <apw> you have to explicitly push tags
[16:49] <apw> iirc
[16:50] <rtg> 'git push --tags origin master' is what I just did
[16:50] <apw> oh hmmm i had to explicitly fetch the tags ... oddness
[16:51] <rtg> I've run into that before
[16:51] <BenC> rtg: git-push --tags
[16:51] <apw> i am pretty sure its not meant to do that...
[16:51] <BenC> err, nm
[16:51] <BenC> rtg: you shouldn't really explicitly push origin, fyi :)
[16:52] <rtg> BenC: why not? I _always_ check to make sure I know what origin is first.
[16:54] <rtg> BenC: also, you do your LRM thing now.
[16:54] <rtg> s/you/you can/
[16:56] <BenC> rtg: just the nature of origin is local to the repo...I don't think it will hurt anything, just that master is the one that matters
[16:57] <BenC> rtg: ack on lrm, thanks
[17:19] <apw> BenC, how do i figure out what head you started from when you rebased to .28 for the first time?
[17:20] <BenC> apw: hard to tell, but you can get an idea from the changelog as to where it was when I cloned it
[17:20] <BenC> the entry before 2.6.28-1.1 is the last upload before I cloned, so that + maybe-some-other-commits
[17:21] <apw> we should probabally tag that in future
[17:21] <apw> and i'll try and figure it out too
[17:39] <mnemo> is there any 2.6.28-rcX kernel packaed for jaunty yet?
[17:42] <amitk> mnemo: 2.6.28-1.1 available from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux/2.6.28-1.1
[17:42] <amitk> and if you wait a day you might get a -2.2 that based on the latest -rc
[17:43] <BUGabundo> can some on help me debug my system ?
[17:44] <BUGabundo> I'm getting kernel locks on shutdown (halt)
[17:44] <BUGabundo> and suspend stop working last week
[17:44] <BUGabundo> I'm on jaunty
[17:45] <mnemo> amitk: when I did "update-manager -d" it left me with 2.6.27-something, is that normal? do I need to do something explicit to switch over to the new kernel?
[17:47] <BUGabundo> mnemo: I got stuck on the .27 kernel until I manually installed it via synaptics
[17:47] <amitk> mnemo: 2.6.28 is not installable through update-manager yet. Some meta packages are missing
[17:48] <amitk> best wait a day or so if you need update-manager support
[17:48] <BUGabundo> yeah amitk... it looks like it
[19:10] <BenC> lrm on its way up
[20:11]  * fabbione larts BenC for not building usb-serial in sparc hardy kernel!
[20:11] <BenC> fabbione: was hardy sparc still built from linux proper source?
[20:12] <fabbione> yeps
[20:12] <BenC> fabbione: I claim lack of need for usb-serial
[20:12] <fabbione> i claim I need it :)
[20:13] <fabbione> i just plugged my backup adsl line in my new (sparc) firewall and zack
[20:13] <fabbione> <- owner
[20:13] <fabbione> owned
[20:13] <BenC> fabbione: become a sparc community kernel maintainer :)
[20:14]  * fabbione larts BenC with a pci2usb card ;)
[20:14] <fabbione> BenC: i am going to test it.. if it works, can you just flip it on the next build?
[20:14] <fabbione> it's sparc only, doesn't affect main arches yada yada
[20:22] <BenC> fabbione: bug report, SRU request, kernel-team@
[20:22] <fabbione> SRU?
[20:22] <fabbione> for a config option on a non supported arch?
[20:23] <BenC> Stable Release Update
[20:23] <fabbione> yeah i know what SRU is.. i mean all the paper work for non supported arch?
[20:23] <BenC> fabbione: I don't handle stable, best to talk to smb_tp
[20:23] <fabbione> ok.......
[20:23]  * smb_tp comes over
[20:24] <fabbione> smb_tp: ^^^
[20:24] <fabbione> brb
[20:24] <smb_tp> fabbione, ok, so I have some time to read context :)
[20:30] <smb_tp> fabbione, Ah ok, well if it works, at least write a mail asking and explaining why to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>You will help greatly if you could do a simple bug report as well, but since it is so simple I can do it this time. ;-)  It is hard but it helps remembring why things were done. Especially since team now is >1
[20:43] <fabbione> smb_tp: ok.. but remember a good git entry in the log and debian/changelog is also as useful :)
[20:43] <fabbione> smb_tp: anyway first testing... then everything else
[20:44] <fabbione> smb_tp: if i am bored i´ll just give you a tree to pull :)
[20:44] <smb_tp> fabbione, Heh, for sure
[20:44] <bdmurray> apw: Is the fix for bug 193970 only for the iwl4965 driver?
[20:44] <smb_tp> fabbione, Even better. :)
[20:45] <apw> bug #193970
[20:46] <apw> bah stupid ubotto
[20:46] <rtg> ubotto sleeps with the fishes
[20:47] <apw> bdmurray, yes the fix ascribed to that bug seems to only help the higher level iwl4965 driver
[20:47] <apw> its on my list to find out if there is another fix out there for the older driver
[20:47] <rtg> apw: it applies to both iwl 4K and 5K drivers.
[20:56] <apw> yeah, will investigate further tommorrow


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[01:00] <Unit193> pleia2: Heya, so as far as I know the forum peeps are now handling the news team, that about right?  Got a request, wanting to make sure all my bases are covered.
[03:52] <pleia2> Unit193: they are the folks in #ubuntu-news, I think most of them are from the forums, yes
[04:09] <Unit193> Ok, thanks.  Wanted an RSS bot so just making sure who's in charge these days. :)
[19:57] <hggdh> staff: can you please remove the ubuntu/member/ev cloak from ev?


[18:02] <regum> hello everyone
[18:03] <regum> Is there a clear step by step way to connect to wifi with wpa from the terminal?
[18:03] <regum> I've been trying to do this for quite some time but nothing seems to work
[18:04] <regum> I've got ubuntu arm running and I can't use a gui, for some reason the system stops detecting the usb wifi stick if I do
[18:04] <regum> so I need to do everything from the command prompt


[00:07] <SonikkuAmerica> bambam1: BluesKaj_ ain't here
[00:07] <SonikkuAmerica> He'll be back tomorrow
[00:07] <bambam1> SonikkuAmerica: Okay, thanks
[00:07] <bambam1> One issue though
[00:08] <bambam1> I started Kubuntu for the first time and I can't find the start menu to access applications and what have you
[00:08] <bambam1> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Kubuntu-13-04-Daily-Build-Launched-Features-KDE-4-9-2.png?1352359040
[00:08] <bambam1> It's like the K icon disappeared
[00:08] <SonikkuAmerica> It should be in the bottom left corner of the screen unless you moved it
[00:08] <bambam1> I did not, this is a fresh install
[00:08] <bambam1> I wasn't able to see it at all
[00:08] <SonikkuAmerica> You should be able to put it (or Homerun in 13.04) back
[00:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Is your screen too large for your monitor?
[00:09] <bambam1> I figured that might be the issue
[00:09] <bambam1> I have two monitors
[00:09] <bambam1> I've been playing around with the display settings, disabling one monitor
[00:09] <bambam1> still see the same issue
[00:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Why do you still want the daily build anyway?
[00:10] <bambam1> I don't, it was just a screenshot
[00:10] <bambam1> I fetched whatever iso was on the Kubuntu website
[00:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh.
[00:10] <SonikkuAmerica> I was about to say, that's NOT how the Kubuntu live CD desktop looks AT ALL.
[00:11] <bambam1> Nope
[00:11] <SonikkuAmerica> System Settings > Display and Monitor > Display Config'n
[00:11] <bambam1> Also, I'm not sure if my computer is just slow but when do you typically expect the login sound to play?
[00:12] <bambam1> I was there already, SonikkuAmerica
[00:12] <bambam1> It seemed like it played completely at random, well after the login animation was done
[00:12] <SonikkuAmerica> After the desktop pops up
[00:12] <bambam1> I see
[00:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, that's where it's been since Day 1
[00:40] <bambam1> Could someone help me disable akonadi server? I'm looking at documentation but it seems outdated
[00:47] <bambam1> Without breaking anything important
[01:09] <bambam1> Anyone?
[01:09] <bambam1> >200 members and nobody present?
[01:13] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:15] <bambam1> hello
[01:59] <Runemoro_> When I do "X -configure" it tells me "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices."
[01:59] <Runemoro_> Can anyone help me?
[01:59] <Obsidian1723> What is it that you're trying to do?
[02:00] <Runemoro_> Obsidian1723: My computer boots into failsafe mode automaticly, and I thought X -xonfigure would fix it
[02:00] <Runemoro_> Obsidian1723: configure*
[02:00] <Obsidian1723> well, you would do dpkg-reconfigure
[02:00] <Runemoro_> I already did
[02:00] <Runemoro_> No difference
[02:01] <Obsidian1723> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:01] <Obsidian1723> or no sudo if logged in as root
[02:01] <Runemoro_> Yes, It gives me no output
[02:01] <Obsidian1723> You ran that exact command?
[02:01] <Runemoro_> And it doesn't fix the problem
[02:01] <Runemoro_> Yes
[02:02] <Obsidian1723> Did you tail /var/log/messages and check dmesg ?
[02:02] <Runemoro_> tail: cannot open â/var/log/messagesâ for reading: No such file or directory
[02:03] <Obsidian1723>  tail -f /var/log/messages
[02:03] <Obsidian1723> that does nothing?
[02:03] <Runemoro_> No such file or directory
[02:03] <Obsidian1723> ls /var/log
[02:03] <Obsidian1723> anything?
[02:03] <Runemoro_> alternatives.log  dmesg.2.gz      lastlog           unattended-upgrades apt               dmesg.3.gz      lxdm.log          upstart auth.log          dmesg.4.gz      lxdm.log.old      wtmp boot              dpkg.log        mail.err          Xorg.0.log boot.log          faillog         mail.log          Xorg.0.log.old btmp              fontconfig.log  news              Xorg.1.log ConsoleKit        fsck            pm-powersave.log
[02:04] <Obsidian1723> You have some missing logs files. Not a good sign.
[02:04] <Runemoro_> Ubuntu minimal
[02:04] <Runemoro_> I only came hare because #ubuntu is ignoring me
[02:04] <Obsidian1723> Was this system comprimised? Minimal should still have that, it's a core log file.
[02:05] <Runemoro_> No, I just installed it
[02:05] <Obsidian1723> ok
[02:05] <Obsidian1723> what does this say? uname -a
[02:05] <Runemoro_> Linux ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 16:36:13 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:06] <Obsidian1723> older kernel
[02:06] <Obsidian1723> but no biggie there.
[02:06] <Runemoro_> I used the raring cd
[02:06] <Obsidian1723> So you just installed it, and you aren't getting any x session at all?
[02:07] <Obsidian1723> raring cd?
[02:07] <Runemoro_> Raring minimal cd
[02:07] <Obsidian1723> Not familliar with it.
[02:07] <Runemoro_> The 30 MB one
[02:07] <Runemoro_> That uses the internet
[02:07] <Obsidian1723> Is it a supported distro of Ubuntu? or a custom spin by someone else?
[02:07] <Obsidian1723> Ok, so it's a net install.
[02:07] <Runemoro_> Yes, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:07] <Obsidian1723> ok
[02:08] <Obsidian1723> So you installed and what happened where at?
[02:08] <Runemoro_> I installed core only
[02:08] <Obsidian1723> Take me step by step please.
[02:08] <Runemoro_> Then I installed gdm
[02:08] <Runemoro_> And then cinnamon
[02:08] <Runemoro_> The computer starts
[02:08] <Obsidian1723> 2 DEs?
[02:08] <Runemoro_> No
[02:08] <Runemoro_> gdm is the manager
[02:09] <Runemoro_> I then installed Xorg
[02:09] <Obsidian1723> ah you didnt install gnome, just the manager only, ok.
[02:09] <Runemoro_> And rebooted
[02:09] <Runemoro_> It rebooted with the failsafe cursor
[02:09] <Runemoro_> gdm looked weird
[02:09] <Obsidian1723> and then what happened? What were the exact errors given?
[02:10] <Runemoro_> No error, but everything looked like in failsafe mode
[02:10] <Obsidian1723> Weird. Cinnamon needs gdm?
[02:10] <Runemoro_> It wouldn't start without it
[02:10] <Obsidian1723> Are you perhaps missing some dependancies?
[02:10] <Runemoro_> Cinnamon doesn't have it's own dm I think
[02:11] <Runemoro_> How do I check?
[02:11] <Obsidian1723> log files. That's really the key, start digging into things, but you are missing /var/log/messages, which is disconcerning to me.
[02:12] <Runemoro_> Also, my home folder is gone
[02:12] <Runemoro_> ls /home is blank
[02:12] <Obsidian1723> If you re-install, then install x only, does it run? If so, then the problem may be with gdm. I left gnome behind after 2.0, and I've only played with Cinnamon, MATE since I now prefer KDE.
[02:12] <Obsidian1723> You may want to just nuke and pave and start over.
[02:13] <Obsidian1723> Vs. spending time trying to figure this out.
[02:13] <Obsidian1723> Especiecially if it's a new install.
[02:13] <Runemoro_> Ok, but cinnamon doesn't need a DM?
[02:13] <Obsidian1723> format ? install Linux ? install xserver > does it work?
[02:13] <Runemoro_> Yes
[02:13] <Runemoro_> I'll do that
[02:13] <Obsidian1723> yeah, all DEs need a WM.
[02:14] <Obsidian1723> but if you do what I said, then you know it's not the base install or x.
[02:14] <Obsidian1723> could be gdm or cinnamon, I don't know. Need to play detective and suss out what's going on and the only weay to do that is to look at processes running, log files, etc data like that. It's 10% fixing the problem and 90% investigating it.
[02:15] <Obsidian1723> Otherwise, you spin in circles guessing, chasing your own tail and getting nowhere fast.
[02:15] <Obsidian1723> sand probably cuasing more problems as you try and fix one other one.
[02:15] <Obsidian1723> -s
[02:16] <Obsidian1723> Being methodical is key to proper investigation.
[02:17] <Obsidian1723> but agauin, since this is a new system, N&P, reinstall like that. It may be gdm, I don't know. You could always try another WM, dunno what other ones worth with Cinnamon or not. Could always try another DE too.
[02:17] <Obsidian1723> Do you just want a DE or do you want that specific DE?
[02:17] <Obsidian1723> How much of a PITA problem are you willing to deal with or not?
[02:19] <Runemoro_> I'm reinstalling it right now
[02:20] <Runemoro_> Is it possible that it might have become corrupt for some reason?
[02:21] <Runemoro_> Also, I want that DE
[02:21] <Obsidian1723> possible, especially with a net install that something didn't get over right.
[02:21] <Obsidian1723> Maybe find out if another WM will work with that DE.
[02:21] <Runemoro_> Don't they get checked?
[02:22] <Runemoro_> Lxdm didn't work, Lightdm is too big
[02:22] <Obsidian1723> I would think so, yes... and the way TCP/IP works, lost packets should be re-sent, but, can you trust anything 100%?
[02:22] <Runemoro_> mdm didn't either
[02:22] <Obsidian1723> fvwm ?
[02:22] <Obsidian1723> that may be a bit old tho.
[02:24] <Runemoro_> I'm installing it on my friend's computer, and he really wants Cinnamon
[02:34] <claycorn> how do i install java?
[02:35] <Obsidian1723> via apt-get
[02:36] <claycorn> didnt work
[02:36] <Obsidian1723> What command did you type exactly?
[02:37] <claycorn> via apt-get
[02:37] <Obsidian1723> You install java via the apt-get program
[02:37] <claycorn> i got java from the web site first
[02:38] <claycorn> opened the file
[02:38] <Obsidian1723> You could also use the GUI via the Software Center, Synaptic, lots of ways to do it.
[02:38] <claycorn> is java listed on the software center?
[02:38] <claycorn> or under another name ?
[02:38] <Obsidian1723> It's better to install from the repos since source installs, or installs from stand alone packages don't get updated.
[02:39] <Obsidian1723> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[02:39] <claycorn> looks like that worked :)
[02:40] <Obsidian1723> Always use the repos if possible.
[02:40] <claycorn> thank you
[02:40] <Obsidian1723> Anytime :)
[02:40] <claycorn> im loving kumbuntu <3
[02:41] <claycorn> far better than mint
[02:41] <claycorn> or cinnamon
[02:41] <Obsidian1723> Well, cinnamon is merely a desktop, not a Linux distro like Linux Mint and Kubuntu are.
[02:42] <claycorn> true im am learning a little every day
[02:42] <claycorn> im weening myself off windows
[02:42] <claycorn> off
[02:42] <Obsidian1723> You have the core os, kernel, programs, etc, then on top if it sits the xserver, on top of that, a windowing manager like gdm, fvwm, mir, etc, on top of that, if you choose, a DE like Gnome, KDE, Enlightenment, MATE, Cinnamon.
[02:43] <Obsidian1723> You can mix WM (Windowing Managers) with DEs (Desktop Environments)
[02:43] <Obsidian1723> right on.
[02:43] <claycorn> ohhhh must try that
[02:43] <Obsidian1723> You know how Windows has the explorer shell?
[02:43] <claycorn> yes
[02:44] <Obsidian1723> and you can modify it, like with LitStep, which somewhat replaces it, but it never really gets rid of the exploer shell off of the Windows box?
[02:44] <Obsidian1723> Not so with Linux. It cna be completely removed, or not GUI at all, like how most Linux servers run,.
[02:44] <Obsidian1723> With Windows, the cake may have 7 layers, but it
[02:45] <Obsidian1723> 's  a solid cake.
[02:45] <claycorn> all run from the terminal?;
[02:45] <Obsidian1723> With Linux, those cake layers can be swapped out or completely removed.
[02:45] <Obsidian1723> yes,.
[02:45] <Obsidian1723> All GUI programs are generally just GTK or Qt front-ends for the command line real programs.
[02:45] <claycorn> gosh i know you can run vlc on the terminal
[02:46] <Obsidian1723> Some things cannot be done in a GUI and must be done from the command line, like confugiring iptables. There are commands just not available for it in a GUI.
[02:46] <Obsidian1723> yup.
[02:46] <Obsidian1723> Everything you do on Linux has a command line syntax for it and is ran via a command line program, even if there is a GUI for it.
[02:46] <Obsidian1723> but again, the GUIs are limited.
[02:47] <claycorn> are you a gui fan?
[02:47] <Obsidian1723> I run a script to setup my iptables.
[02:47] <Obsidian1723> I like GUIs, but when I started computing, we really didn't have them,.
[02:47] <claycorn> oh
[02:48] <Obsidian1723> They are nice, convienent, I use them a lot, but a lot of my heavby lifiting is done via bash scripts and the command line.
[02:49] <claycorn> for pcs with low memory kubuntu is a wise move
[02:49] <Obsidian1723> Lots of power in bash scripting, aliases, setting things up and then monitoring it.
[02:49] <Obsidian1723> ehhh not so much
[02:49] <claycorn> i dont know if i could do scrips
[02:49] <Obsidian1723> I like KDE, the DE for Kubuntu, but KDE has much more overhead than say LXDE, XFCE, etc, that's why there's Lubuntu, Xubuntu
[02:50] <claycorn> too many to choose
[02:50] <Obsidian1723> yeah, you could
[02:50] <claycorn> yeah if i studied it
[02:50] <claycorn> im getting lessions from a friend
[02:50] <claycorn> basic stuff
[02:50] <Obsidian1723> All Linux is the same really. It all stems from 3 core distros, Debian, Red Hat and Slackware. Everything forks from those 3. The main difference is the philosophy of design, the purpose for each distro.
[02:51] <claycorn> i write notes
[02:51] <Obsidian1723>  cool
[02:51] <claycorn> the look ?
[02:51] <claycorn> diff desktops
[02:52] <Obsidian1723> If you want stable, all free software, older software, Debian. If you like Debian, but want some newer software, somewhat stable, some bells and whistles, such as video codecs, etc, Ubuntu and the LTS version. If you want KDE on it, Kubuntu, XFCE, Xubuntu. If you like Ubuntu, but more bleeding edge, less stable, get the non-LTS version. If you want all the bells and whistels installed by default, Linux Mint.
[02:53] <Obsidian1723> The philosophy of design, the purpose for each distro
[02:53] <claycorn> yeah i tried mint
[02:53] <claycorn> was ok
[02:53] <claycorn> im seattled with k
[02:53] <Obsidian1723> All Red Hat versions use yum to install packages whereas all Debuian based use apt-get or aptitude, so there are some command differences in that way, but more about WHY each fork / distro was made
[02:54] <Obsidian1723> Debian > Ubuntu > Linux Mint
[02:54] <Obsidian1723> Ever see the Linux Timeline chart?
[02:54] <Obsidian1723> If not, it
[02:54] <claycorn> i have not
[02:54] <Obsidian1723> 's worth a trip to Google for it.
[02:54] <claycorn> and i will
[02:55] <Obsidian1723> For example, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, RHEL, is commerical, but what if you want it? but not pay for it? Well, there is Cent OS. Same upstream software repos, but different wallpapers, icons and some programs missing, but otherwise, the same thing.
[02:55] <Obsidian1723> Running the right distro of Linux is im[portant
[02:56] <Obsidian1723> If you want stable, running a non-LTS version of Ubuntu or Debian unstable or Debian testing isn't the wa yto go, nor is Arch.
[02:56] <Obsidian1723> Running the wrong distro causes problems. I see too many new users running an unstable version of Li nux when they just want it to work.
[02:57] <Obsidian1723> They think the newest, aka Ubuntu 13.04, is better than 12.04, the LTS, and it's not.
[02:57] <claycorn> yeah i found that out
[02:57] <claycorn> the os would not play nice
[02:57] <Obsidian1723> Non-LTS = beta for the NEXT LTS.
[02:57] <Obsidian1723> 14.03
[02:57] <Runemoro> Ok, installing is done
[02:57] <Obsidian1723> 14.04
[02:57] <Runemoro> Now what do I do?
[02:57] <Obsidian1723> install x Runemoro
[02:57] <Obsidian1723> See if it works
[02:58] <Obsidian1723> then install gdm
[02:58] <Obsidian1723> see if it works
[02:58] <Obsidian1723> check logs, investigate, etc as mentioned before.
[02:58] <Runemoro> sudo apt-get install Xorg?
[02:58] <Obsidian1723> I can't tell you ABCDE 123 fixed.
[02:59] <Obsidian1723> xserver-xorg
[02:59] <Runemoro> ok
[02:59] <Obsidian1723> then startx to start it up
[02:59] <Obsidian1723> then ps aux |grep xserver-xorg
[03:04] <Runemoro> I only have X and X -configure still says Number of created screens doesn't match the number of detected devices
[03:06] <kkerwin> Having difficulty installing bumblebee using the recipe here: http://eternalvoid.net/tutorials/linux-optimus-gt650m/ ... dkms fails to run. Anyone have experience using bumblebee for nvidia optimus cards?
[03:09] <Runemoro> Obsidian1723?
[03:10] <hanibana> hi, is it possible to use OSS in Kubuntu instead of ALSA sound system?
[03:11] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:17] <Runemoro> !netsplit
[03:17] <Runemoro> !
[03:17] <Runemoro> !help
[03:17] <Runemoro> !patience
[03:18] <Runemoro> !hello
[03:24] <mkk> i installed kubuntu 13.04. when i first log in, it appears to be there's two screens even though i actually have only one. it's a laptop. and when i launch any program they start on the second screen which is on the right side of my actual screen, and obviously i can't see them. is there a fix for this? is it a bug?
[03:39] <ahoneybun> mkk
[03:47] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to get the nouveau driver to be blacklisted, and have it listed as "blacklist nouveau" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf. For some reason, though, while it worked a few reboots ago, the driver is now injected into the kernel.
[03:59] <Chardot> Hi o/
[03:59] <Chardot> Have anyone installed Kubuntu on a MacBook pro?
[04:11] <nick_omega> installed new graphics driver on kubuntu 12 and now an application does not run.  list of errors generated including 'X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[04:11] <nick_omega> ' and 'glXChooseVisual failed'
[04:11] <nick_omega> uninstall/reinstall the application or is there a better route?
[04:20] <bambam2> is there a way to make gtk apps in KDE look less hideous?
[04:53] <hellodavep> Where can I find detailed information about the WiFi network I am connected to? Such as DNS servers assigned via DHCP, Gateway, ect.
[04:56] <Chardot> hellodavep: open the terminal and type "iwconfig"; press enter.
[05:00] <hellodavep> thanks Chardot! That command, however, doesn't tell me any info about Gateway or DNS server. I do appreciate your help though!
[05:01] <Chardot> hellodavep: sorry, wrong command :P
[05:03] <hellodavep> Chardot: for future reference, some one in #ubuntu helped me out: the nm-tool command
[05:04] <Chardot> hellodavep: network-manager tool, yes
[05:04] <Chardot> Thankyou!
[07:43] <cjae> http://askubuntu.com/questions/254479/make-firefox-only-use-gtk-theme-on-browser-chrome-but-ignore-on-websites                    super win
[08:54] <SpartanF32> Hallo!
[08:59] <SpartanF32> After i installed proprietary AMD driver following the procedure as in the Unofficial Ati website, (worked fine for 12.10) i had a lot of kwin crashes so rolled back to driver of the repos. Now, i see some effect as kickoff blur or windows miniature on panel aren't enabled while in the effects configuration setting they're are checked. Does Exist a way to re-enable all as a fresh install or i should install all again?
[09:21] <bigbrovar> HI guys, anyone having issues getting blurtooth working on Kubuntu 13.04 (clean install)
[09:21] <bigbrovar> It seems only from the look of things. only it doesnt detect bluetooth devices even if one is standing on its head.. nor can it be detected :S
[09:46] <tabsterleir> Anyone know of a Plasmoid to show the output of a basic command? ie: Something to show the result of "uname -r"?
[09:46] <ronalds> good job on 13.04, homerunner seems unity alternative in kde everyone could be waiting for
[09:47] <ronalds> only kubuntu should come with orginal wallpapers, like ubuntu does
[09:54] <ToBeFree> I assume you already know that kubuntu.org is down for whatever reason?
[09:55] <ToBeFree> ah, fixed. Nevermind.^^
[10:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Linux froze again.
[10:42] <ronalds> what exactly froze
[10:44] <ronalds> tty windows by crtl-alt-f1234 for one of four tty windows, where you can run top, htop from console
[10:44] <Graf_Westerholt> ronalds, Linux. Since and and a half year. I cannot use the magic sysrq.
[10:44] <Graf_Westerholt> ronalds, that does not work. It is completly frozen.
[10:45] <ronalds> never been in situation where no tty left
[10:45] <ronalds> try recovery mode when turning on kubuntu
[10:45] <Graf_Westerholt> What does recovery mode do?
[10:46] <ronalds> mostly fix dependencies, broken packages
[10:46] <ronalds> gets safe mode graphics
[10:46] <ronalds> and stuff
[10:47] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[10:50] <gregorius> меня слышно?
[10:53] <Graf_Westerholt> !ru | gregorius
[11:01] <gregorius> !ru
[11:53] <ronalds> anybody knows plasmoid that does similar pinning of apps as in windows 7
[11:57] <Sput> ronalds: icontasks
[12:01] <ronalds> can you give me instructions to install it?
[12:02] <ronalds> another thing, how can I get thumbnails to show
[12:02] <ronalds> in dolphin
[12:08] <ronalds> ok, I failed it's already there
[12:25] <ronalds> but thumbnails would be great
[12:29] <ronalds> failed again preview button is there
[12:32] <loucheboy> hello
[12:32] <loucheboy> does anyone know how I could get skype running on a chromebook with ubuntu dual booted?
[12:37] <goodtime> heh so its true , you can install linux on a chromebook
[12:38] <goodtime> loucheboy:  i dont think that your dual booted will matter but the rest i never ran skype.
[12:40] <loucheboy> ok, just wondering if it was possible
[12:40] <loucheboy> thanks
[12:40] <goodtime> im getting a chromebook now ill find one cheap out here in boston
[12:41] <goodtime> ty loucheboy
[12:44] <ronalds> which icon theme do you use with kde
[12:46] <goodtime> who me?
[12:46] <goodtime> i use many
[12:47] <goodtime> ronalds: im always changeing my many differnt themes
[12:50] <goodtime> ronalds:  do you mean the start menue icon theme?
[12:52] <loucheboy> it's really quiet
[12:56] <goodtime> yes
[12:56] <loucheboy> anyone do anything interesting?
[13:27] <ronalds> elementary from xfce looks better than oxygen for example
[13:27] <ronalds> why oxygen is default I don't know
[13:42] <Runemoro> Obsidian1723
[13:44] <BluesKaj_> hey folks
[14:06] <ronalds> how to show video thumbnails in dolphin?
[14:24] <dysin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:27] <ronalds> video thumbnails in dolphin, anyone?
[14:31] <dysin> Sure?
[14:33] <BluesKaj_> ronalds, install kffmpegthumbnailer
[14:34] <ronalds> tnx
[14:40] <dschelpe> Hi anyone on that can help me?
[14:41] <dschelpe> I'm currently using ubuntu with the gnome desktop, and was wondering if I can change to the KDE desktop, or from here make a Kubuntu install
[14:41] <dschelpe> without the use of usb drive or discs
[14:42] <BluesKaj_> dschelpe, install kubuntu-desktop , then you can choose the desktop at the login menu
[14:42] <dschelpe> BluesKaj and after that I will be running Kubuntu?
[14:43] <dschelpe> also, after that can I safely remove the gnome desktop?
[14:44] <BluesKaj_> dschelpe,  you'll probly have to reboot and at login choose kubuntu in the menu , and yes you can remove the gnome -desktop
[14:44] <dschelpe> all via apt-get, right?
[14:44] <BluesKaj_> yes
[14:44] <dschelpe> thank you very much BluesKaj, will be on it now :-)
[14:45] <BluesKaj_> dschelpe, you'll have a lot of gtk-libs and apps left over , so you can run pure-kde if you want
[14:45] <BluesKaj_> !purekde
[15:33] <dschelpe> BluesKaj you still here?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> yes dschelpe
[15:34] <dschelpe> ah thank heavens lol
[15:34] <BluesKaj> what's the issue dschelpe
[15:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:34] <dschelpe> Well I used following commands via apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and install kde-full
[15:35] <dschelpe> got kdm at login, and kde wallpaper, then it switched back to ubuntu. Any ideas as to why?
[15:36] <dschelpe> I haven't removed gnome desktop just yet, was waiting to be in full kde environment to do that
[15:36] <BluesKaj> dschelpe, ok follow this
[15:36] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[15:36] <BluesKaj> this will install the right packages and apps for proper kde/kubuntu system
[15:37] <BluesKaj> I also have some suggestions after that's done
[15:37] <dschelpe> so exclamation mark followed by purekde in terminal?
[15:37] <dschelpe> and thanks for the lik ubottu
[15:37] <dschelpe> link even
[15:38] <BluesKaj> click on the URL posted there
[15:38] <dschelpe> done that
[15:39] <BluesKaj> follow the instructions , copy the commands in the box and paste them into the terminal , but make sure to update and upgrade first
[15:40] <dschelpe> ah getting some errors there about packages not found
[15:41] <dschelpe> gir1.2 launchpad integration and python and ubuntu sso client
[15:41] <BluesKaj> dschelpe, yes , it's not setup for 13.04 , sorry
[15:41] <dschelpe> eh lol k so where do we go from here?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:43] <dschelpe> k just a sec, found this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/pure-kubuntu-13-04/
[15:44] <BluesKaj> dschelpe,  good hunting , that's the one we needed all along , going to have talk with the devs about this
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ok run the configure command first , then copy and paste the the coomands and run them again
[15:46] <dschelpe> okay BluesKaj, will run your command first, then the one from the site
[15:47] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:49] <dschelpe> alright it's running now and removing  packages
[15:53] <BluesKaj> and it will also install the kde package defaults
[15:53] <BluesKaj> dschelpe,^
[15:54] <dschelpe> Lol got ya BluesKaj, and yes I hope so hehe
[15:54] <dschelpe> basiclly after all this I will be running the default Kubuntu system?
[15:54] <dschelpe> basically*
[15:55] <BluesKaj> dschelpe, just to be sure , once that is done , install kde-plasma-desktop kubuntu-default-settings kde-config-gtk-style
[15:56] <dschelpe> after removing gnome is done? as a install command?
[15:57] <dschelpe> okay thank you BluesKaj, you've been most helpful and patient with me, will be back in a sec
[15:57] <BluesKaj> yes dschelpe , sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop kubuntu-default-settings kde-config-gtk-style
[15:58] <Obsidian1723> Runemoro: ever get your issue resolved?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> this command is merely to make sure you have the full desktop
[15:58] <BluesKaj> dschelpe,^
[16:01] <dschelpe> okies, BluesKaj, thanks, it's still removing gnome packages though so I'll wait. and look up plasma, thanks for your assistance :)
[16:03] <BluesKaj> dschelpe, yes removing a full desktop and installing a new one can take some time . I hope you enjoy kde/kubuntu as much as I do and welcome to Kubuntu ! :)
[16:04] <dschelpe> Thank you, my first linux experience was kde, only turned to gnome after using osx
[16:04]  * BluesKaj nods
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ok , I have to leave for today , so if you have any issues after the install , there many here who can help , also in #kde channel if needed . Bye for now
[16:10] <dschelpe> bye BluesKaj
[17:08] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[17:15] <bodom> Hi there! I have a problem since last upgrade: when i tell KDE to eject any memory card in my card reader, it will power off the whole reader and all cards instead
[17:35] <Runemoro> Obsidian1723: I'm back, and no, It's not fixed
[17:36] <Runemoro> X -configure still says "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices."
[17:45] <bodom> anyone?
[19:49] <Bombesly> Not sure what I'm at here
[20:14] <kuf> Hi there, could anybody help me with an issue regarding an upgrade from kubuntu form 12.10 to 13.04.?
[20:14] <kuf> Problem is that kde desktop does not start anymore!
[20:15] <kuf> Happened on two machines now.
[20:15] <kuf> The solution on the first machine was to make a fresh install.
[20:15] <SonikkuAmerica> kuf: It doesn't start?
[20:15] <diiphantom> they all must be wathcing football, or soccer .... xD
[20:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you get a tty login?
[20:15] <kuf> However, this seems to be a systematic error!
[20:15] <kuf> I can login.
[20:16] <SonikkuAmerica> diiphantom: lol
[20:16] <kuf> However, the screen is blanc
[20:16] <kuf> the kde start up signs do not show up
[20:16] <SonikkuAmerica> O_o
[20:16] <kuf> so kde seems not to start at all
[20:16] <SonikkuAmerica> You might try [ sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop ] to start, if you don't mind a giant download
[20:17] <kuf> yes, already tried that
[20:17] <SonikkuAmerica> *Actually that won't do too much though.
[20:17] <kuf> no progress!
[20:17] <kuf> I also cleared the cach in /var/tmp
[20:17] <kuf> suggested in another post somewhere
[20:17] <kuf> no progress
[20:17] <SonikkuAmerica> How about the APT cache?
[20:17] <kuf> hmmm
[20:17] <kuf> apt cache
[20:17] <kuf> what would that mean?
[20:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Wait...
[20:18] <kuf> is this a command?
[20:18] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt-get clean ; cd /var/lib/apt ; sudo mv lists lists.old ; sudo mkdir -p lists/partial ; sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt-get update ]
[20:18] <SonikkuAmerica> ^ That is
[20:19] <kuf> ok, thanks i try
[20:19] <kuf> give me a minute
[20:19] <SonikkuAmerica> And then reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[20:21] <kuf> ok, it is in progress, I tell you when i am finished
[20:33] <kuf> ok, done! but no success! :-(
[20:33] <kuf> just the same as before
[20:34] <kuf> I get the login screen
[20:34] <kuf> I try to login
[20:34] <kuf> but when kde tries to start
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you try a fresh install on the other machine?
[20:35] <kuf> I only see the window where the kde icons should show up one after the other where the last is the kde icon itself
[20:35] <kuf> but the window immedieately disappears again
[20:35] <kuf> yes, on the other machine
[20:35] <kuf> i just killed the system
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> But not on this one.
[20:35] <kuf> and after a fresh install everything worked fine
[20:35] <kuf> no
[20:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Perhaps "Reinstall" on the live media is a good choice then.
[20:36] <kuf> on this one I still try to safe the upgraded system
[20:36] <kuf> all I wouldl want to have is that the desktop starts as it should
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> A reinstall will save your self-installed programs and files, but clear system settings
[20:37] <kuf> is the partitionning and fstab maintained in a reinstall?
[20:38] <SonikkuAmerica> It should be; why would the system mess with fstab and partitions it's not touching?
[20:40] <kuf> I am just asking. It's no real problem. I backed up my data already anyway. Howev,er, I would be glad if I managed to do the reinstall without the need to write everything back to the disk.
[20:40] <kuf> I meam my user data
[20:41] <SonikkuAmerica> User data is saved during the "Reinstall" (using that option instead of the others) (if it's not on the live media let me know)
[21:01] <kuf> Actuallly, I don't see a reinstall option, the only option which I get is install.
[21:02] <kuf> Unfortunately, I seem to have a very bad day today because the first try of install resullted in a kernel panic and the second now is stuck.
[21:03] <kuf> I have a problem with the screen on this machine anway because it is connected to a Samsung TV set and there seems to be an over/under scan issue
[21:04] <kuf> in the resolution of 1920x1080 the borders of the display are missing
[21:04] <kuf> I do not know how to swith the screen to underscan to see all the information which actually should be visible
[21:04] <SonikkuAmerica> You may wish to check your screen borders with your TV remote.
[21:05] <kuf> anyway, could you tell me how I would initiate a reinstall from a normal installation medium?
[21:05] <kuf> no, I wont
[21:06] <kuf> I used to switch to 1650x1050 and this worked fine with a complete install
[21:06] <kuf> I do not want to mess around with the screen settings
[21:06] <kuf> and then havee the down side when I want to watch Tv
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> kuf: What do you mean by that?
[21:08] <kuf> dont worry about this
[21:08] <kuf> could please somebody tell me how I coud initiate a reinstall?
[21:09] <kuf> because with the install medium which I downloaded
[21:09] <kuf> I only see an option to do a complete fresh install
[21:09] <kuf> and this will kill my user settings
[21:11] <kuf> the install medium does not seem to realize that there alreaady is an kubunt 13.04 installed
[21:11] <kuf> it suggest to do an install on a fresh partition
[21:11] <kuf> which of course will destroy what was at this palce before
[21:11] <kuf> I of course can do the partiioning manually
[21:12] <kuf> and this is what I always do
[21:12] <kuf> however, this will result in a replacement of the old kubuntu 13.04  without saving the information about users etc. pp.
[21:53] <sha1sum> Hey all. I'm having a bit of an issue that I've now googled for an hour with no progress. I have an HP DV7 laptop whose internal analog stereo and HDMI audio devices were working beautifully in OpenSUSE but now in Kubuntu I have only the interal analog stereo in kmix (and pavucontrol)
[21:53] <sha1sum> weird thing is, there are two cards in alsamixer, so it looks like alsa recognizes it and pulseaudio does not
[21:54] <sha1sum> Even the audio hardware settings show only the one device.
[21:55] <sha1sum> Just kind of weird that it would be working beautifully in an older revision of KDE 4 with an older kernel, and now with a brand spankin' new kernel and KDE 4 revision, no dice.
[23:05] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:28] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:37] <Runemoro> Hello
[23:38] <Runemoro> .
[23:38] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:39] <sha1sum> Hey all. KMix is not recognizing my HDMI audio playback device, but alsamixer lists it. Where do I start in these situations?
[23:45] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:45] <Runemoro> What is *.net *.split
[23:45] <Runemoro> Oh
[23:52] <Runemoro> Obsidian1723, can you help me fix the problem?