[06:33] <Xplicit> CaptainMorgan: try the latest version of wine, wine development is fast that patching it doesnt always work so well and the ubuntu version cant keep up with wine repos
[06:33] <SpeakerMania> bruenig, I had to add a repository
[06:33] <soldats> CaptainMorgan, oh well, i forgot what his problem was
[06:33] <bruenig> SpeakerMania, ok do: dpkg -L cinerella | grep bin
[06:34] <bruenig> SpeakerMania, technically this is unsupported being third party and all
[06:34] <CaptainMorgan> soldats, what? please - try making sense.
[06:34] <Saspo_> Hello everyone
[06:34] <bazhang> CaptainMorgan: ease up a bit
[06:34] <SpeakerMania> bruenig: oh. I get this: Package `cinerella' is not installed.
[06:34] <SpeakerMania> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[06:34] <SpeakerMania> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[06:34] <Xplicit> hi dr Spaso_
[06:34] <CaptainMorgan> bazhang, ease off a bit, I used "please"
[06:34] <nickrud> phosphoricx, grep -r --include=*.h <string> <path>
[06:34] <Xplicit> *Saspo
[06:35] <bruenig> SpeakerMania, so you are confused somewhere, either you didn't install it, or it has a different name
[06:35] <bazhang> CaptainMorgan: I used 'a bit'
[06:35] <SingAlong> Hi guys...
[06:35] <CaptainMorgan> bazhang, truthfully, I couldn't make sense of that last few comments he made
[06:35] <SpeakerMania> bruenig: hmm. How? I installed via Synaptic following the Gutsy instructions (I am indeed running Gutsy).
[06:35] <bruenig> SpeakerMania, you saw the message, it isn't installed
[06:36] <Sneaks> I am looking for some help on a tri-boot of XP, 6.06 and 7.10.  I had 6.06 and XP working fine.  I set up a new partition for 7.10 and installed it.  All went well.  I can still boot 6.06 and XP but 7.10 hasn't been added to my Grub options and I don't know how to get it there?
[06:36] <bazhang> CaptainMorgan: wine is not for this channel go to #winehq as I said earlier
[06:36] <Modius> Anyone here familiar with Ubuntu 64 bit?  Questions.  A:  Should I expect it to work with an Intel Quad-core with 8gig of ram, and B: Can it run windows sessions in vmware?
[06:36] <soldats> CaptainMorgan, no i meant wine still works on 7.10 but i totally forgot what the inital question of the other person was. i started typing too fast without thinking. sorry if pissed you off. my stupid rapid thinking gets the better of me sometimes.
[06:36] <SpeakerMania> bruenig: Okay. Thanks.
[06:36] <CaptainMorgan> bazhang, already did, long time ago - but people still want to call my name
[06:36] <nickrud> Sneaks, what partition is your 7.10 on, and can you edit the menu.lst in 6.06 (I'm assuming that's the menu.lst in use)
[06:36] <Scunizi> Sneaks: do you hv more than one HD?
[06:36] <iamlindoro_> Hi all, setting up software raid on Gutsy... Just a quick question with some experience with with... as all array members are USB drives, I have set udev rules so that everything gets symlinked to the same /dev/sd* nodes... However, I noticed in creating the array that even though I provided it with the symlinked nodes, it shows the *actual* devices on mdadm --detail... question is, I added the symlinked nodes to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.c
[06:36] <soldats> CaptainMorgan, sop i applogize
[06:37] <SingAlong> I just am a first timer on linux. I just installed Ubuntu Fiesty Fawn. I tried to connect to the internet thru a wired connection. Its a DHCP connection. Ubuntu recognised the connection. But when I try to browse thru mozilla firefox. I am able to connect to no website.
[06:37] <Sneaks> nickrud.  I can edit menu list.  /sda1 is XP /sda2 is 6.06 and /sda3 is 7.10 /sda4 is swap
[06:37] <Xplicit> how do i install my system to an lvm partition
[06:37] <bruenig> SingAlong,  ping google.com in terminal
[06:38] <SingAlong> K...
[06:38] <Scunizi> Sneaks: sounds like grub got installed on the wrong hd.
[06:38] <SingAlong> Will try and get back..
[06:38] <Sneaks> I have had grub for a while and it boots XP and 6.06 fine. I just can't get it to boot 7.10?
[06:38] <astro76> Xplicit, using the alternate install cd
[06:39] <Saspo_> *Xplicit -  My first time on IRC thanks for the welcome
[06:39] <soldats> !dualboot > Sneaks
[06:39] <Scunizi> Sneaks: thats because 7.10 put its grub probably at the beginning of the drive its installed on.  If you change your bios to boot from that drive you might get all the op systems to show in the grub menu.  At least that would be an easy test.
[06:39] <Xplicit> does it popup an option or do i need to enter some cheat code?
[06:40] <nickrud> Sneaks, add http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49768/ to the very bottom of menu.lst , it should boot
[06:40] <Xplicit> nvm i got to options
[06:40] <alecw1> Is there a standalone flash viewer for the GNOME desktop (and Ubuntu)?
[06:40] <astro76> Xplicit, dunno really... cheat codes meaning boot option? probably not
[06:41] <Saspo_> I am trying to find out how to disable the integrated video to install a graphics card.  Any help anyone?
[06:41] <nickrud> Sneaks, your swap would be defined in the /etc/fstab in 7.10, you might want to check
[06:41] <soldats> alecw1, totem can play flash, if you download the flash video you can view it via totem
[06:41] <alecw1> soldats: I mean .swf files
[06:41] <Scunizi> Sneaks: although nickrud offers a good solution, if the kernel is updated in the future it won't show.  You need a more perminant solution.
[06:41] <MYRM1D0N> hello there.....
[06:41] <Sneaks> Thanks for the help guys Phosphoricx is helping me on a private chat
[06:42] <nickrud> Scunizi, yes, it'll be below the automagic section
[06:42] <nickrud> Scunizi, and untouched by update-grub
[06:42] <soldats> alecw1, dont think so unless you can get flash mx working but a flash .flv will play
[06:42] <alecw1> soldats: Ok, thank you.
[06:42] <SpeakerMania> bruenig: I foudn the issue
[06:42] <SpeakerMania> found
[06:42] <nickrud> Scunizi, oh, brain fart here. There might someday be a -15
[06:43] <Scunizi> nickrud: yep.. I triple boot as well.. although I haven't gone into 6.06 in some time.. looking forward to LTS
[06:43] <iamlindoro_> alecw1: look at the flashplayer9 included in automatix
[06:43] <iamlindoro_> if there's any command line utility for it, it's likely to be there
[06:43] <SpeakerMania> bruenig: the name is cinelerra
[06:43] <Filled-Void> Could anyone tell me how I can rename hdb1 (the icon on my desktop) to something else if that is possible
[06:43] <bruenig> k
[06:43] <astro76> !automatix | iamlindoro_
[06:43] <ubotu> iamlindoro_: automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[06:43] <soldats> !automatix > iamlindoro_
[06:43] <Saspo_> I am trying to find out how to disable the integrated video to install a graphics card.  Any help anyone?
[06:43] <alecw1> iamlindoro_: I've been advised to stay away from automatix, even though I don't know what it is. =P
[06:43] <SpeakerMania> bruenig: and I get this via terminal: cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:43] <bruenig> !find libGL.so.1.2
[06:44] <ubotu> Package/file libgl.so.1.2 does not exist in gutsy
[06:44] <Scunizi> Saspo_: plug in the new card and run with it.... sometimes the bios has an "off" switch for the onboard card.
[06:44] <nickrud> Sneaks, after you get 7.10 running, you might want to run  sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda to have 7.10 manage grub, it's better at seeing other os's and adding them to menu.lst properly
[06:44] <bullgard4> Is there a OpenOffice.org IRC channel?
[06:44] <keith-> is there any fix for getting network-manager to connect to a wep protected network?
[06:45] <iamlindoro_> alecw1: Yeah, blah blah, install it however you like, but look at the closed-source flash player from macromedia all the same
[06:45] <Saspo_> scuzini I did plug  the card in but the sytem froze on start up.
[06:45] <lukewarm> bullgard4 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC
[06:46] <alecw1> iamlindoro_: will do. Thanks very much!
[06:46] <_-laughing-_> anyone know of some good kde themes, looking for icon sets, logins, etc
[06:46] <adamonline46> sunogbaga: Oh hey, thanks for all your help earlier!
[06:46] <bullgard4> lukewarm: Thank you very much.
[06:47] <lukewarm> bullgard4 dont thank me, thank google
[06:47] <adamonline46> sunogbaga: I got distracted trying to figure it out... Still no luck tho :/
[06:47] <sobersabre> hi.
[06:47] <sobersabre> I have 3 breezy nodes.
[06:47] <sobersabre> I would like to dist-upgrade them to the latest stable, e.g. gutsy
[06:48] <sobersabre> is it possible to do directly ?
[06:48] <Filled-Void> Is it possible to rename my hard disk label?
[06:48] <Flannel> sobersabre: You can't upgrade straight from breezy to gutsy.  No, you'll have to do it one at a time, however....
[06:48] <sobersabre> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade...
[06:48] <sobersabre> Flannel, I have no X on it.
[06:48] <Flannel> sobersabre: you will be able to upgrade straight from dapper to hardy, once its released.  So you might want to go from breezy to dapper, and then wait for a few months
[06:48] <sobersabre> just worker node.
[06:48] <Flannel> sobersabre: that doesn't matter.
[06:49] <sobersabre> So, the fastest would be to go and install gusty directly ... ?
[06:49] <sobersabre> s/gust/guts/
[06:49] <nickrud> sobersabre, same one from 2005 ?
[06:49] <Flannel> sobersabre: yeah.  If you really want gutsy.  Of course, re-configuration may or may not be more time
[06:49] <sobersabre> Flannel, I am deploying FAI.,
[06:50] <sobersabre> just didn't want to multiply the size of the mirror.
[06:50] <Flannel> sobersabre: You can use apt-proxy
[06:50] <xal2> hi
[06:51] <xal2> are there any good download\upload monitors for linux?
[06:51] <bruenig> xal2, what exactly are you looking for, something that gives you a nice loggable output, or some pretty widget
[06:51] <mapez> anyone here use CWiiD?
[06:51] <Xplicit> mapez ive set it up
[06:51] <xal2> something that gives me a loggable output
[06:52] <xal2> I dont' care about a frontend
[06:52] <SingAlong_> I am not able to connect to the internet even though  ubuntu recognises my connection
[06:52] <kevin_> i'm having a problem playing a certain (commercial) dvd, details here: http://pastebin.ca/834466 , any help?
[06:53] <bazhang> !dvd | kevin_
[06:53] <ubotu> kevin_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:53] <_-laughing-_> so... does anyone know of a good kde theme or what?
[06:53] <acc_> #Ubuntu: So I'm trying to install 7.10 on a laptop, and no matter whether I choose "Start or install Ubuntu" or "Start Ubuntu in safe graphics mode", the kernel takes about 10 minutes to load, then the HDD LED gets pegged (flickering occasionally), then the system reboots.  How can I diagnose what is happening?
[06:53] <SingAlong2> anyone help me..
[06:53] <kevin_> bazhang, it works for other encrypted dvds
[06:53] <bnb> how do i install beryl window manager on ubuntu gusty  i tried searching for it in synaptic could not find it
[06:54] <nickrud> kevin_, have you tried another player, I've seen some read disks others wouldn't
[06:54] <lukewarm> !beryl > bnb
[06:54] <ubuntu> lol
[06:54] <bazhang> acc_: considered the minimal install or the alternate install? those often work when the live cd chokes
[06:54] <bnb> i want to unleash the full power of my ati radeon x1300
[06:54] <nickrud> !compiz | bnb
[06:54] <ubotu> bnb: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[06:54] <bnb> pci-e
[06:55] <kevin_> nickrud, only totem and mplayer
[06:55] <bullgard4> lukewarm: What catchwords did you feed Google with?
[06:55] <acc_> bazhang: Thanks, I'll give them a shot
[06:55] <SingAlong2> How can I connect tonickrud: help me friend...
[06:55] <nickrud> kevin_, give vlc a try, it's been best so far for me
[06:55] <bazhang> kevin_: how about the tried and true vlc?
[06:55] <SingAlong2> nickrud: help me friend
[06:55] <nickrud> SingAlong, what kind of internet. wireless, me? hah
[06:55] <kevin_> trying..
[06:55] <bazhang> !minimal | acc_
[06:55] <ubotu> acc_: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[06:55] <SingAlong2> nickrud: wired
[06:55] <lukewarm> bullgard4 openoffice irc channel
[06:55] <SingAlong2> nickrud: wired dhcp
[06:56] <nickrud> SingAlong, works with windows?
[06:56] <SingAlong2> nickrud: yeah
[06:56] <bullgard4> lukewarm: Ok, thank you.
[06:56] <SingAlong2> nickrud: I am chatting with you on a windows comp. I installed ubuntu on my laptop
[06:56] <mapez> Xplicit, Sorry. Have you remapped the buttons?
[06:56] <mapez> I am trying to make it work with GFCE Ultra
[06:56] <SingAlong2> nickrud: I tried pinging google.com. It said: Unknown host google.com
[06:57] <nickrud> SingAlong, in a terminal, what does     route -n    say after you try sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[06:57] <phalacee> I'd like to install the Linux mint (and/or the Ubuntu Studio) theme on my vanilla ubuntu install, can some one point me in the right direction, google doesn't love me today
[06:57] <SingAlong2> I am a firsttimer. so I did not open the terminal
[06:57] <Xplicit> no i had proplems because i couldnt find the config file and my brother whos wii it is got boored
[06:57] <kevin_> error with vlc: http://pastebin.ca/834470
[06:57] <SingAlong2> nickrud: I only ran one command in the terminal: ping google.com
[06:57] <Xplicit> why is LVM changing 7GB to 7.5GB?
[06:58] <SingAlong2> nickrud: any solution?
[06:58] <function1> is there any way to change these uuuuuugly old X widgets/controls?
[06:58] <mapez> Ah okay. I have got it communicating with my computer.. I just can't figure out how to remap buttons
[06:58] <nickrud> SingAlong, possibly. Put the output of:     ifconfig      and    route -n     on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> Xplicit: I believe it has something to do with needing a certain multiple of disk sections, or some such.  I've seen that sort of thing before too.
[06:59] <SingAlong2> nickrud: ifconfig or ipconfig?
[06:59] <kevin_> nickrud, bazhang ^ ?
[06:59] <nickrud> SingAlong, ifconfig
[06:59] <SingAlong2> ok...
[06:59] <bazhang> kevin_: does the dvd work in a dvd player (next to a tv for example)?
[06:59] <SingAlong2> Now I need to paste the output of ifconfig and route -n on paste.ubuntu.nl right?
[07:00] <Nostahl> ok software updates finnaly finnished!
[07:00] <SingAlong2> nick?
[07:00] <SingAlong2> right nick?
[07:00] <Nostahl> bazhang u still around
[07:00] <SingAlong2> Now I need to paste the output of ifconfig and route -n on paste.ubuntu.nl right? nick?
[07:00] <nickrud> SingAlong, yes. and patience :)
[07:00] <SingAlong2> sorry :)
[07:00] <bazhang> Nostahl: indeed!
[07:00] <Nostahl> hehe
[07:00] <Nostahl> can you beleive how long that took?
[07:00] <SingAlong2> nickrud: I will get back. I am disconnecting my comp and connecting my laptop to the net :)
[07:00] <nickrud> SingAlong, ok
[07:01] <bazhang> less than 2 hours I believe
[07:01] <sobersabre> Flannel, I am using apt-proxy, but it still will require a big part of disk.
[07:01] <jstarcher> how can I mount my cdrom?
[07:01] <Nostahl> bazhang 0846;4260 netgear, inc
[07:01] <simplyubuntu> hello all :) does anyone here have free time and want to get in on developing a distro - based on ubuntu?
[07:02] <Sneaks> exit
[07:03] <kevin_> bazhang, yes
[07:05] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=615471 this the card Nostahl? there is a way to get it going apparently (and recent)
[07:05] <xal2> I installed the graphics driver from the nvidia website. It works great until I restart the computer. Then it wants to hop into low graphics mode.
[07:05] <Xplicit> the alt cd lets me setup a raid partition but not use it
[07:05] <xal2> nm
[07:05] <xal2> I'll ask in the nvidia channel
[07:06] <xal2> didn't realize there was one :p
[07:06] <Nostahl> i usualy just use ndiswrapper to get it up and going
[07:06] <Nostahl> but i was just wondering if there was a native driver so i didnt have to ndiswrapper it
[07:06] <SingAlong3> nick... I think I found out the problem. I know the windows commands: ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew. Can u tell me the alternatives for this in ubuntu?
[07:06] <bazhang> kevin_: when you put the dvd in the drive, does it prompt you with some options? like play in totem etc? what does totem say when it refuses to run it if anything
[07:06] <phalacee> I'd like to install the Linux mint (and/or the Ubuntu Studio) theme on my vanilla ubuntu install, can some one point me in the right direction, google doesn't love me today
[07:06] <Arelis> Hi all. After installing fglrx, my screen looks very blurry. How can i solve this?
[07:07] <Nasari> Hey, unbuntu locks all ports right?
[07:07] <bazhang> Nostahl: it appears not sorry about that
[07:07] <kevin_> bazhang, "an error occured/could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file."
[07:07] <SingAlong3> nick: I asked you this becoz... I know that my IP keeps fluctuating everytime I connect. sometimes its <IP_ADDRESS> and sometimes something else...
[07:07] <astro76> Nasari, there's no servers installed by default which are listening on any ports, so yes
[07:07] <jimmy__> i comment out xinerama in my xorg.conf and it keeps coming back... wtf?
[07:07] <SingAlong3> nickrud: nick... I think I found out the problem. I know the windows commands: ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew. Can u tell me the alternatives for this in ubuntu?
[07:07] <bazhang> Nasari: you can install firestarter and tweak iptables if you wish
[07:08] <SingAlong3> anyone knows the alternatives for ipconfig /renew and ipconfig /release in ubuntu?
[07:08] <nickrud> SingAlong, depends on how you've configured the interface, I only know a couple of ways
[07:08] <bazhang> kevin_: and all other dvds work? is this a bluray or hd-dvd?
[07:09] <SingAlong3> nick but how?
[07:09] <jstarcher> how can I mount my cdrom?
[07:09] <Nasari> ok, thanks
[07:09] <kevin_> bazhang, all that I have tried before work. this is a proper dvd
[07:09] <SingAlong3> what 2 ways are they?
[07:09] <kevin_> ..in the physical sense
[07:09] <nickrud> SingAlong2, it's normal to have different ip's with dhcp, it's supposed to work that way. So, what's the output of    route -n  ?   That's most likely the problem
[07:09] <bazhang> kevin_: that is exceedingly odd..
[07:09] <|juan|> any reason my xorg.conf would revert back to xinerama every time i restart xserver?
[07:10] <nickrud> SingAlong2, the computer doesn't know what your router's address is most likely
[07:10] <astro76> kevin_, what title if you don't mind?
[07:10] <kevin_> astro76, rush hour 3
[07:10] <SingAlong3> ???
[07:10] <SingAlong3> what is that? how can I get that?
[07:10] <bazhang> kevin_: that is on dvd already?
[07:10] <kevin_> bazhang, apparently
[07:10] <nickrud> SingAlong2, if you'd answer my questions, I can help you build a working config
[07:11] <SingAlong3> Ok one sec..
[07:11] <SingAlong3> let me find out
[07:11] <SingAlong3> ...
[07:11] <Nasari> so firestarter is the easiest way to open and close ports?
[07:11] <astro76> kevin_, as I suspected, it uses the new form of copy protection http://www.dvdshrink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=21520
[07:11] <nickrud> SingAlong2, use a usb stick if you have one to save the outputs (you can cut and paste into gedit to save them)
[07:11] <bazhang> kevin_: that is standard bluray or hd-dvd?
[07:11] <astro76> kevin_, take it back to the store and say it's a non-standard dvd ;)
[07:12] <bazhang> kevin_: yeah, astro76 has it on the head
[07:12] <kevin_> astro76, if an old set-top dvd player can  play it, a computer should be able to manage :)
[07:12] <bazhang> kevin_: google drm
[07:13] <astro76> kevin_, the whole point of this type of copy protection is that it still works on non-pc dvd players
[07:13] <kevin_> astro76, and, why?
[07:13] <astro76> kevin_, they tried this with CDs too
[07:13] <astro76> kevin_, piracy :S
[07:13] <nickrud> so there might be a 1.3 release of dvdcss, whoopee
[07:13] <kevin_> no, I mean why does it still work on non-pc players
[07:13] <kevin_> with cds they just did autorun crap
[07:14] <Xplicit> the alt cd is having problems with formating my boot partition
[07:14] <bazhang> kevin_: to prevent teh piratez
[07:14] <nickrud> kevin_, because the rippers have to reverse engineer each wrinkle, the dvd makers know in advance what they can get away with
[07:14] <kevin_> no, I mean why would it still work in the technical sense on a player that was designed for the original dvd specification
[07:14] <astro76> kevin_, usually some non-standard file naming or some sort of thing which the player ignores, but chokes the pc
[07:15] <bazhang> kevin_: you can return it or wait for a 'fix' :}
[07:15] <xal2> I installed the graphics driver from the nvidia website. It works great until I restart the computer. Then it wants to hop into low graphics mode.
[07:16] <Jangari> is there a forum/howto on widgets/screenlets?
[07:16] <iknowbob> sorry to break in, but i have a question if anyone can help.  trying to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 and keep getting an error message stating "failed to fetch" and then lists 3 archives at archive.ubuntostudio.org ...
[07:16] <kevin_> most of the information on google is for windos ripping applications
[07:16] <bazhang> iknowbob: for ubuntustudio? might be a server issue
[07:18]  * Gnea bangs head on desk, repeatedly.
[07:18] <iknowbob> just using plain ubuntu.  friend installed some visiuals and added the ubuntustudio archives to update them with.  is there any way to remove the archive.ubuntustudio.org lines from the list of archives for upgrading?
[07:18] <Gnea> why does java not work in gutsy gibbon?!
[07:18] <Gnea> i'm trying to use java as a plugin to firefox
[07:18] <nickrud> it does, install sun-java6-plugin
[07:18] <bazhang> iknowbob: sure; go into synaptic and disable them
[07:18] <digga> list
[07:18] <digga> oopd
[07:18] <Xplicit> Gnea: firefox from repos?
[07:19] <kevin_> bazhang, I have to return it anyway I think. do you know how to get a raw dump of the disc and work out the proper file format later?
[07:19] <Gnea> i've tried sun-java6-plugin,  sun-java5-plugin and now icedtea-java7-plugin
[07:19] <Gnea> Xplicit: yes, everything is from apt-get/synaptic
[07:19] <Gnea> i check in about:plugins and i see that it's there
[07:20] <bazhang> kevin_: for now it is safe from that kind of thing, not really the channel to discuss it in
[07:20] <Gnea> and yet... it simply does not work when i try to bring up a java-based app in firefox
[07:20] <kevin_> bazhang, what would be
[07:20] <Gnea> i get the error: "please install java, you are moron."
[07:20] <nickrud> oh, it must be tired of you ;)
[07:21] <Gnea> well, it better change its attitude quick if it wants to live through the night ;)
[07:21] <iknowbob> i'm a bit of a noob to ubuntu.  how do i go about disabling them?
[07:21] <nickrud> Gnea, a really silly question, but do you have java enabled in the prefs?
[07:21] <bazhang> kevin_: that is a 'rip' and there is google for that
[07:21] <Gnea> nickrud: ha, i hadn't checked yet - doing now
[07:22] <kevin_> bazhang, I don't want to resort to windows shareware, which is the result on google
[07:22] <bazhang> kevin_: sorry cant help you
[07:23] <kevin__> hay room
[07:23] <kevin__> im a nood
[07:23] <Gnea> room: no such nickname
[07:23] <kevin__> i wanna put ubuntu on my g3
[07:23] <Gnea> nickrud: yup, it's already checked
[07:24] <nickrud> thought it was silly
[07:24] <Gnea> not at all, good to cover all bases
[07:24] <kevin__> anay one try this is it better then darwin for this sitch
[07:24] <kevin__> http://spiderman.is-a-geek.com/
[07:24] <astro76> good grief, a kevin_ and kevin__ both talking
[07:24] <nickrud> SingAlong better come back soon, gotta get some sleep
[07:24] <Kevin`> heh :)
[07:25] <nickrud> lol
[07:25]  * astro76 runs
[07:25] <Gnea> !mac
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <Gnea> !g4
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about g4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <Gnea> !g3
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about g3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <nickrud> !ppc
[07:25] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[07:26] <kevin__> thank you
[07:27] <kevin__> osx 1.1 is really showing it's age
[07:27] <nickrud> isn't that heresy for someone with mac hardware?
[07:27] <sobersabre> guys, I've got rdist question. is it possible to rename files per group of hosts with rdist ?
[07:27] <kevin__> game cube has a ppc right
[07:27] <sobersabre> I mean if I have a file /some/where/etc/passwd/group0
[07:28] <sobersabre> would I be able to copy it to a group of hosts to /etc/passwd ?
[07:28] <sobersabre> just say "yes" or "no".
[07:28] <nickrud> maybe
[07:28] <ogre> ahahahahhah
[07:28] <sobersabre> lol
[07:28] <bazhang> yes or no
[07:28] <bharadwaj> whenever i start off with enemy teritory or any other high end games the game interface is very sluggish and strucky
[07:28] <nickrud> I have a broken nose, cuz I do that too much
[07:29] <bharadwaj> do i have any problem with my graphics card?
[07:29] <sobersabre> bazhang, you should upgrade your interpreter
[07:29] <bazhang> sobersabre: hahha
[07:29] <kevin__> imbios lol
[07:29] <richd> Hello, anyone ever tried playing UT2k4 and got no sound? my only sound card in the setting is openal. should i go get also instead or something?
[07:29] <xal2> Has anyone had problems with the nvidia driver?
[07:29] <bazhang> !info kiten
[07:29] <ubotu> kiten: Japanese reference/study tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 197 kB, installed size 548 kB
[07:29] <richd> er, not sound card, sound device or something
[07:29] <sobersabre> your nick sounds a bit chinese.... chinese usually have a good interpreter. where are you from ?
[07:29] <sobersabre> :)
[07:30] <Gnea> argh
[07:30] <bazhang> I'm from #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:31] <Gnea> nickrud: this is driving me nuts! i've done this before on other systems, and yet, i cannot get java to work in a web browser on this newly installed system.
[07:31] <bharadwaj> is there any other channel for my problem with games?
[07:31] <nickrud> I gotta go, Singalong will be back (maybe) with an ifconfig and route -n . His windows connects wired, ubuntu doesn't. Probably not getting gateway info from the router. Could someone set him up with a static config?
[07:31] <astro76> Gnea, did you try with a new firefox profile?
[07:31] <kevin__> i allwas had promblems install ati drivers on ubuntu on my core2dou pc
[07:31] <richd> bharadwaj: heym your having trouble too?
[07:31] <brophat> my add/remove applications thing says BitTorrent is installed but I can't find it in the applications menu
[07:31] <nickrud> Gnea, I've always had no problems with java, so never had to trouble shoot it
[07:32] <Gnea> astro76: hrm, i'll try that now
[07:32] <richd> bharadwaj: I cant get my sound to work in Unreal 2004... what's your gaming prob?
[07:32] <alexandroid> hi, could you plz tell me how to enter rescue mode using live DVD for 7.10?
[07:32] <alexandroid> what i see is the same as described on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202184
[07:32] <bharadwaj> richd: oh yeah but i have a problem with my graphics and  interface of the game its very sluggish
[07:33] <richd> bharadwaj: what card type do you have?
[07:33] <richd> ati? nv?
[07:33] <WGGMk> is it possible to Remote Desktop to a NON GUI Ubuntu Server???
[07:33] <astro76> alexandroid, what are you trying to do?
[07:33] <bharadwaj> richd: non in particular i have an inbuilt 64Mb video memory of i845G series
[07:34] <Kevin`> WGGMk, yes
[07:34] <richd> bharadwaj: ouch, integrated is hard stuff
[07:34] <Kevin`> WGGMk, you will of course need gui programs and libraries installed on it, which I would not do for a server
[07:34] <bharadwaj> rich: yeah i know i tried evry damn shit available in the internet and in the forums
[07:35] <alexandroid> astro76: I am trying to install ubuntu on usb ext drive following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811
[07:35] <wy> Which script is run before the window system starts after user login? I'm trying to put an environment variable in that can be viewed by the programs on the main menu
[07:35] <bharadwaj> richd: and know what i almost come here very often with only this problem
[07:36] <bharadwaj> richd: did you try ubuntu forums?
[07:36] <brophat> my add/remove applications thing has BitTorrent checked, which I assume means it is installed, but I can't find it in the applications menu. Anyone know where it is supposed to be?
[07:36] <astro76> alexandroid, looks like you need to use the alternate cd
[07:36] <astro76> !alternate | alexandroid
[07:36] <ubotu> alexandroid: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[07:36] <richd> bharadwaj: man, i try ubuntu forums, debian forums, new articles and /. forums
[07:36] <richd> but to no avail
[07:37] <alexandroid> astro76: but live DVD should include both install + alternate cds, right?
[07:37] <WGGMk> Kevin`: is it possible for clients to remote desktop into a virtual machine (while the server still has NO GUI)???
[07:37] <alexandroid> astro76: ...and I do not have CD-R to burn CD ISO on =\
[07:37] <bazhang> richd: is this native linux or through wine?
[07:38] <richd> bazhang: native. used the dvd shell installer
[07:38] <Kevin`> WGGMk, no local gui, yes
[07:39] <bharadwaj> richd: i hope we get a solution very fast i just can't wait to play any full fledged game in lunux
[07:39] <bharadwaj> *linux
[07:39] <frederick85> hi i'm on xubuntu and trying to mount windows shares with pyNeighborhood it says can't mount the files on it though
[07:39] <astro76> alexandroid, yeah it does... sorry I'm not familiar with the dvd
[07:39] <frederick85> the shared files on the windows computer
[07:39] <frederick85> but it can find them
[07:39] <bazhang> richd: unreal tournament 3? or other
[07:39] <Kevin`> WGGMk, virtual machine means nothing to this, unless you use the vm software for remote control in some respect (which I would only do for admins)
[07:40] <richd> bazhang: 2004
[07:40] <richd> only have a 32 MB video card...
[07:40] <bazhang> richd: tournament?
[07:40] <richd> yeah
[07:41] <alexandroid> astro76: maybe you could describe me what rescue mode looks like? when "rescue mode" sign actually appears?
[07:41] <Gnea> astro76: same problem persists with the new profile
[07:41] <Gnea> astro76: i went through and made sure that just the icedtea version is the only one installed now
[07:41] <Gnea> then i made the new profile
[07:41] <WGGMk> Kevin`: what im trying to achieve, is the ability for specific clients to be able to USE/RUN virtual machines across a VPN or locally.. remote desktop seems like the only logical solution for the VPN side
[07:41] <Kevin`> WGGMk, remote desktops don't need to use the physical display for anything, you can have any number of remote displays without showing them locally
[07:41] <abhi> is there any nice util that i can use to grab a website?
[07:42] <Gnea> abhi: wget, curl
[07:42] <Kevin`> WGGMk, what vm software are you using
[07:42] <richd> bharadwaj: hey, check out http://packages.debian.org/etch/xserver-xorg-video-i810
[07:42] <astro76> alexandroid, you type rescue at the grub prompt on the alternate cd
[07:42] <richd> it has a package that should do it
[07:42] <richd> maybe
[07:42] <richd> have you already done something like that?
[07:42] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=237046 richd look at post #6 in that thread
[07:42] <abhi> Gnea: i want to get not just the page but also the links it points to
[07:43] <richd> k
[07:43] <WGGMk> Kevin`: right now im just in the planning process. But specifically vmware server or esx caught my attention
[07:43] <alexandroid> astro76: but i mean does it look like regular installer in the beginning or it is completely different?
[07:43] <Gnea> abhi: read the manpages, they explain what all of the options do
[07:43] <richd> bazhang: will try that
[07:43] <WGGMk> Kevin`: my server has NO GUI, and honestly I have no intention or desire to install a GUI or any related GUI libraries
[07:44] <Kevin`> WGGMk, vmware server (and I think esx if you like spending money) already include remote console function
[07:44] <j2daosh> what does a b mean in an ls -ltr? (br--r-----)
[07:44] <richd> bharadwaj: does that package look like it might work?
[07:44] <Xplicit> does the alt install cd need a working internet conection?
[07:44] <Gnea> WGGMk: my server has no gui either, but i can run a vpn tunnel and export the display over that to run X apps remotely :)
[07:44] <Kevin`> WGGMk, if you want to run gui applications on the server (remote or otherwise) you need them to be installed, and for their supporting libraries to be installed, doesn't matter where they display
[07:44] <X-nor> anyone know why xubuntu has xclient script as the primary option in GDM, yet there appears no xclient in /etc/X11, etc?
[07:45] <astro76> alexandroid, it will boot you to a prompt with Rescue Mode at the top
[07:45] <BlaenkDenum> is there a way to generate an md5sum of all files in a directory?
[07:45] <Kevin`> md5um *
[07:45] <Gnea> WGGMk: he's right, you can have x libs installed and not run a GUI - you just need them on the server to support displaying them elsewhere - it's not much of a performance hit at all
[07:45] <BlaenkDenum> I didn't see anything on that in the man page but I used to do it
[07:45] <BlaenkDenum> oh thanks Kevin`
[07:45] <alexandroid> astro76: ic, thanks!
[07:45] <WGGMk> Kevin`: maybe you misunderstood. I dont want them to be able to remote desktop into the server. I want clients to be able to remote desktop into the virtual guest on the server
[07:46] <astro76> alexandroid, just a shell prompt on virtual console 1
[07:46] <X-nor> i recall switching xfwm4 to compiz but now I can't figure out what the heck I changed
[07:46] <ogre> i want a pony
[07:46] <Kevin`> WGGMk, then you either need remote desktop support in the vm software or remote desktop server software installed on each vm
[07:46] <X-nor> works, but I also need to change some other stuff
[07:46] <WGGMk> Kevin`: i retract the misunderstanding part, I prolly didnt explain things specifically enough.
[07:46] <Gnea> WGGMk: make sure the IP of the virtual server is accessible from the outside and set your security options within that environment properly to accept them
[07:47] <Gnea> anyways
[07:47] <Gnea> java still isn't working.
[07:47] <bharadwaj> richd: idin get you
[07:47] <Xplicit> does the alt install cd need a working internet conection?
[07:47] <WGGMk> Kevin`: you wouldnt happen to know if the VMWare Server or esx have remote desktop support do you?
[07:47] <richd> bharadwaj: ?
[07:48] <richd> did you get my link?
[07:48] <X-nor> Xplicit: no, I installed it fine with no network until I could build my driver
[07:48] <richd> http://packages.debian.org/etch/xserver-xorg-video-i810
[07:48] <richd> you can search for that package in your package manager and it might fix your prob
[07:48] <bazhang> that is a debian source richd; best to go with one from packages.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <wy> I wish I could draw a picture in the code
[07:49] <Kevin`> WGGMk, the vmware server console is natively networked and can be used remotely. I haven't used esx as I can't afford it. vmware workstation has vnc server support but probably is not a good choice for a server,
[07:49] <Xplicit> ok thx i tought it was stuck at 6% but its jumped to 21%
[07:49] <richd> bazhang: i agree, but that package should be in ubuntu
[07:49] <X-nor> Xplicit: but you'll have to use apt-cd to get build-essential and all
[07:49] <Kevin`> WGGMk, qemu has vnc server support, xen I don't know, virtualbox I don't know
[07:49] <bharadwaj> richd: you playin it in wine?
[07:49] <richd> i just found it on the deb package search
[07:49] <richd> bharadwaj: nah. I figured mine out
[07:49] <richd> trying to hepl you now
[07:49] <Xplicit> its ok once its up ill switch my cable over to it
[07:49] <bazhang> richd: that may break his system--best not to advise it
[07:50] <richd> bazhang: i want him to use the ubuntu package manager to search for that package
[07:50] <Spaceman3750> I have ndiswrapper installed.  I installed the correct driver for my wireless card into ndiswrapper.  However, the GUI I installed says that the card for the driver I installed doesn't exist.  Any advice?
[07:50] <WGGMk> Kevin`: so VMWare Server would install on the physical server and can be managed by a web interface correct (because the server has no GUI)
[07:50] <j2daosh> is there a sco unix channel?
[07:50] <richd> then install it and edit the xorg conf file
[07:50] <bharadwaj> richd: the link you gave me it s i810 drivers but i845 is different from it
[07:50] <bazhang> richd: it is in the repos for ubuntu
[07:51] <richd> i810g driver if for that whole family
[07:51] <bazhang> bharadwaj: it applies to your card as well
[07:51] <richd> bazhang: good.
[07:51] <bharadwaj> let me try
[07:52] <bazhang> !info xserver-xorg-video-i810
[07:52] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-i810: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.4-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 139 kB, installed size 364 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 lpia m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[07:52] <X-nor> j2daosh: you mean there's a reason to run that anymore?
[07:52] <bazhang> bharadwaj: see above
[07:52] <richd> bharadwaj: do you know where to get that?
[07:52] <richd> sorry, but i don't know your linux exp...
[07:52] <X-nor> does anyone know how to set up what window manager is started up, etc?
[07:52] <Kevin`> WGGMk, http://abacus.kwzs.be/vm.jpg - using a vm from a few states away
[07:53] <bazhang> X-nor: choose in sessions at log in screen
[07:53] <richd> or edit your init runlevel thingy to use kdm instead of gdm or w/e
[07:53] <X-nor> bazhang: yeah, was wondering what Xclient session meant
[07:54] <morst> im trying to ./configure apache, and i get the message "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[07:54] <X-nor> bazhang: it's the 'default' in xfce, but the reported xclient configuration does not exist anywhere
[07:54] <bazhang> X-nor: there should be a small icon in the log in screen that you can pull down
[07:54] <WGGMk> Kevin`: VMWare Server Console is what exactly?
[07:54] <richd> bharadwaj: any luck yet?
[07:54] <X-nor> bazhang: well I can't edit that can I
[07:55] <bazhang> X-nor: you can install new DE's :}
[07:55] <Kevin`> WGGMk, the program you use to do most of the work with vmware server
[07:55] <BlaenkDenum> guys I have a question, if I tar.gz. something and md5sum it will it always be the same, I mean, and if I would tar.gz. the very same contents again and md5sum that, will it be the same? I know it's not the case with zip
[07:55] <X-nor> bazhang: that's no help wse, I need to know what each of those Exec=
[07:55] <richd> X-nor: i use ksysv-init editor
[07:55] <adamonline46> Does anyone know why I might not be able to access my SMB shares from my Kubuntu box?
[07:55] <bazhang> X-nor: via the cli?
[07:55] <X-nor> richd: um, that's init scripts afaict
[07:55] <richd> yeah
[07:55] <X-nor> bazhang: well, by filename
[07:56] <richd> and it chooses xfce, xgm, kd, gdm
[07:56] <richd> adamonline46: not proper credintials?
[07:56] <X-nor> richd: yeah, well my DM is gdm
[07:56] <m0u5e> whats the difference between gutsy backports and proposed?
[07:56] <richd> can't spell, sorry
[07:56] <X-nor> richd: don't need to change that unless I have to go to old fashioned xinitrc
[07:56] <scguy318> m0u5e: backports are backports from newer repos, proposed is proposed updates
[07:57] <richd> X-nor: i thought that was what you were trying to do
[07:57] <WGGMk> Kevin`: sorry for my ignorance here.. But lemme get this straight... VMWare Server installs on the server or host machine.. and VMWare Server Console BUILDS or CONNECTS to the VM on the server/host machine???
[07:57] <adamonline46> richd: Well, I can access the shares from my Windows box, if that's what you mean.  I have myself added as an SMB user...
[07:57] <bazhang> does a #vmware exist?
[07:57] <Gnea> bazhang: what happens if you join it?
[07:57] <X-nor> richd: was trying to set what commands the Xclient script (which GDM claims exists) actually runs
[07:57] <m0u5e> scguy318: what's a backport then? :X
[07:57] <bazhang> Gnea: you first :}
[07:58] <Kevin`> WGGMk, the console connects to the server and allow you to do all management functions (except start the server) and use vms
[07:58] <richd> adamonline46: but maybe on the linux box, it asks to access it and the windows says bah, not high enough security. do you type in a pw for it?
[07:58] <X-nor> richd: it probably has little to do with X clients
[07:58] <Gnea> bazhang: lol i'm not the one who wants to know
[07:58] <morst> im trying to ./configure apache, and i get the message "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" and then "configure failed for srclib/apr"
[07:58] <bazhang> Gnea: haha
[07:58] <Kevin`> bazhang, yes
[07:58] <scguy318> m0u5e: taking a package from newer repo and having it work on an older release
[07:58] <bazhang> thanks Kevin`
[07:58] <X-nor> richd: actually it does - which ones get started automatically. but i've had no luck finding this script, which locate xclient, locate Xclient, etc turn nothing up
[07:58] <yuaoki> Hi I've got a Sharp Mebius laptop and I do not know what kind of memory chip to get , I've tried it with my macbook chip and the shape does not match how can I look it up?
[07:58] <adamonline46> richd: No, I removed authentication for the time being.
[07:59] <timfrost> morst: Have you installed build-essential?
[07:59] <richd> X-nor: ohhh
[07:59] <Gnea> astro76: thanks for the help, i'm just gonna sleep on it and try again later
[07:59] <m0u5e> scguy318: so proposed is like a pre-released update then? or something that's planned for hardy?
[07:59] <morst> timfrost, whats that?
[07:59] <richd> adamonline46: wierd... I'm assuming its not network error or anything like that
[07:59] <WGGMk> Kevin`: so using VMWare Server Console allows you to connect to the VMWare Server and manage/use VM's?
[07:59] <Kevin`> yuaoki, that's pretty basic information, manufacturer's page should have it. otherwise take a picture of it
[07:59] <X-nor> i'll be stuck prolly installing a filename index and searching for my =compiz
[08:00] <adamonline46> richd: I don't think so.  I can see the smb server if I do "smbclient --list <svr_ip> --no-pass
[08:00] <timfrost> morst: it is a package that pulls in compiler tools.  But why are you compiling apache, rather than using the packages that are in the repository?
[08:00] <richd> adamonline46: wierd...
[08:00] <m0u5e> scguy318: sorry just one more question, do proposed updates have lower quality specs than stuff in the normal repos? is it any less stable
[08:00] <Kevin`> WGGMk, yes, vmware server has no local gui unless you run the console locally
[08:00] <X-nor> problem I've had with gnome - there's a million ways to set something up, only one actually commits the change
[08:00] <adamonline46> richd: Quite... I dunno what to do :/
[08:00] <X-nor> and one leaves trash that you'll find later
[08:00] <morst> timfrost: so there is an easier way, how do i get the repository packages?
[08:01] <Kevin`> WGGMk, since this software is beer-free, you would be best served trying it yourself..
[08:01] <richd> X-nor: well, on my kde i use sudo ksysv
[08:01] <richd> and it pops up
[08:01] <wy> Any good asciiart software in linux?
[08:01] <X-nor> richd: that is the system V inits, correct?
[08:01] <richd> i used to know where it was located at
[08:01] <WGGMk> Kevin`: so can clients BUILD/CREATE VM's onto to the physical server host??
[08:01] <richd> yes
[08:01] <Kevin`> wy, banner, aalib/libcaca
[08:01] <Kevin`> WGGMk, yes
[08:02] <dhcpless> can anyone help me with dhcp3 config
[08:02] <X-nor> richd: pointless, IMHO, for what I'm trying to do - stop a panel from starting
[08:02] <Benalex> I am trying to install VMWare Player and getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49771/
[08:02] <richd> a panel?
[08:02] <WGGMk> Kevin`: dude your the man.. sorry for all the nagging questions haha.. thank you very much for the information
[08:02] <X-nor> richd: which is one of the x clients getting started from one of the session scripts of one of the DMs, (well, I know it's GDM in this case)
[08:02] <wy> Kevin`: libcaca seems to be a library
[08:03] <Kevin`> wy, yes. there are multiple programs that use it (mplayer for example can)
[08:03] <ifireball> dhcpless: client or server?
[08:03] <richd> X-nor: i dunno... i don't get what your saying
[08:03] <dhcpless> ifireball, server
[08:03] <richd> and i'm tired
[08:03] <richd> so good night all
[08:03] <richd> bharadwaj: good luck.
[08:03] <timfrost> morst: command line 'sudo apt-get install apache2' (version 2.0) or 'sudo apt-get install apache2.2' (for version 2.2).  Or use synaptic GUI
[08:03] <richd> BYE!
[08:03] <Avt> hi
[08:03] <Avt> who see me?
[08:03] <triplc> hi all
[08:03] <morst> timfrost: ok thanks i figured that out
[08:03] <X-nor> richd: I want to set compiz to start by default, instead of xfwm4
[08:04] <ifireball> dhcpless: what seems to be the problem?
[08:04] <Benalex> I am trying to install VMWare Player and getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49771/
[08:04] <triplc> i need to type Japanese and Chinese, which package I need to apt-get install?
[08:04] <Avt> can you guys see me??
[08:04] <WGGMk> Avt: nope
[08:04] <Avt> how to update firefox? sudo su apt-get update firefox? in dapper
[08:04] <Myrtti> Avt: sure we do
[08:04] <Spaceman3750> My WLAN card is a Realtek 8187B.  Ubuntu sees it in the hardware manager, as well as in lsusb (it is an internal USB card).  However, I try to install the drivers into ndiswrapper and ndiswrapper says that the card is not installed.  iwconfig also does not show it.  What should I do to get this card working?
[08:04] <Kevin`> wy, these libraries (except for the text-art program mentioned) make "ascii art" using dithering techniques. while it's rather good at that, it doesn't beat what a skilled artist can do, it's just a computer
[08:04] <Avt> ty
[08:05] <dhcpless> ifireball, whenever i try to start it i get an error "semicolon expected in dhcp3.conf , line #...." but I have semicolns in all the lines!
[08:05] <Myrtti> Avt: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade
[08:05] <Myrtti> Avt: no, wait, no.
[08:05] <Avt> ?
[08:05] <Myrtti> Avt: how long have you been without updating your system with security updates and such?
[08:05] <Kevin`> wy, might not be the right word for it. try it yourself and you'll see what it does
[08:05] <triplc> i need to type Japanese and Chinese text, which package I need to apt-get install?
[08:06] <dhcpless> triplc, scim
[08:06] <ifireball> dhcpless: well, sounds like a syntax error, paste the file an the error message to pastebin plz
[08:06] <bazhang> skim/scim triplc
[08:06] <triplc> dhcpless: thanks
[08:06] <WGGMk> dhcpless: haha what a great name
[08:06] <Avt> myrtti ok well see I made a tutorial and I might have forgotten to add update firefox and flash lol
[08:06] <dhcpless> ifireball, ok...
[08:06] <Avt> but now im in gutsy
[08:07] <dhcpless> triplc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InputMethods/SCIM/Setup
[08:07] <Avt> howto restore partition image of dapper**
[08:07] <Myrtti> Avt: well, basically update and upgrade should be enough unless you want to upgrade them to a version dapper repos don't have
[08:07] <Myrtti> Avt: what have you done basically
[08:07] <Avt> Myrtti can you see my tut and tell me what im missing?
[08:07] <Avt> im getting link
[08:08] <triplc> dhcpless: thanks, i am reading it now
[08:08] <dhcpless> triplc, you on gnome or kde or xfce?
[08:08] <wy> Kevin`: Actually I just need some pictures in my code. So those color drawings might not be good for me. Some line drawing is ok
[08:09] <dhcpless> ifireball, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49772/
[08:09] <Benalex> I am trying to install VMWare Player and getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49771/
[08:10] <Avt> myrtti here it is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536491
[08:10] <dhcpless> WGGMk i've been struggling with this DHCP3 server for days now....
[08:12] <dhcpless> Benalex, how are you trying to install ? VMserver or player?
[08:12] <Myrtti> Avt: first of all, forget all the "sudo su"-stuff
[08:12] <Benalex> dhcpless: player... from add/remove
[08:13] <dhcpless> Benalex, do you have VMserver installed?
[08:13] <Benalex> nope
[08:13] <Avt> myrtti realy?
[08:13] <dhcpless> Benalex, mmmm...is your sources list in order?
[08:14] <Myrtti> Avt: well yes. doing it with all the command still having sudo in front of them equals into nothing at all
[08:14] <Benalex> dhcpless: mmm.. not sure... I have enabled all package type main, universe, ..etc
[08:14] <dhcpless> Benalex, what happens when you run sudo apt-get update?
[08:14] <Myrtti> Avt: and doing "sudo su" can be replaced by other commands, safer than it.
[08:15] <Avt> ok I need to change be right back
[08:15] <Avt> sorry
[08:15] <Benalex> dhcpless: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49773/
[08:16] <ifireball> dhcpless: your problem seems to be on line #1, looks out of place to me
[08:16] <Avt> back
[08:17] <dhcpless> ifireball, this is because i have several interfaces (vmware..) notice that the error refers to another line
[08:17] <timfrost> Benalex: are you trying to install vmware player from a .deb package, or from the tarball?
[08:17] <bryan> what is the command to get the UUID for a disk drive?
[08:17] <dhcpless> timfrost, he is trying with add/remove...
[08:17] <Benalex> timfrost: no... from Add/remove
[08:18] <Myrtti> brb
[08:19] <dhcpless> Benalex, your sources look ok, sorry cant help you ,never installed vmware with add/remove. I always installed the tar ball from vmware website
[08:19] <ifireball> dhcpless: it does, but there are only comments between the 2 lines, and typically you get "missing <line terminator>" errors on the next things that comes along where the terminator should be, e.g. the next non-comment line...
[08:19] <timfrost> Benalex: OK, I missed that. there is NOT an ubuntu package for vmware player for gutsy.   That is the reason for the error.  You need to install the tarball
[08:19] <RamY> i have problems installing ubuntu
[08:19] <dhcpless> ifireball, you suggest commenting the 1st line?
[08:19] <ifireball> dhcpless: still it doesn't look like its consistent with the file format to me, so I'm man-ing it for a bit
[08:20] <RamY> i can't partition drive to install ununtu
[08:20] <dhcpless> ifireball, actually i got it off a web HOWTO
[08:20] <Benalex> dhcpless,timfrost... installing from tarballs is a plain pain.. and I can't do it... I appreciate if you drive me to some instruction to do so.. because ./confiure make make install doesn't work
[08:20] <RamY> i have problems installing ubuntu
[08:20] <RamY> i can't partition drive to install ununtu
[08:20] <ifireball> dhcpless: looks like its setting an environment variable to me
[08:21] <vallhalla81> ramy do you have a os installed?
[08:21] <dhcpless> Benalex, I never installed vmplayer , but i have vmserver on many machines , there is an excellent HOWTo in Ubuntu forum, I can google it for you if you wish...
[08:22] <RamY> i have windows intalled
[08:22] <dhcpless> ifireball, what do you mean?
[08:22] <Benalex> RamY.. how are you doing partitioning?
[08:22] <RamY> i dont' have ubuntu os installed
[08:22] <RamY> i have live cd thingy
[08:22] <Benalex> dhcpless: thank you
[08:22] <vallhalla81> ok i gues you are hoping to kep windows??
[08:22] <timfrost> Benalex: for vmware player, you need to install build-essential, then unpack the tarball and run 'sudo ./vmware-install.pl' in the main directory of the unpacked tar archive.  You don't go through the configure/make/make installprocess
[08:22] <RamY> yes vallhalla81
[08:23] <RamY> i have alot of important files on the drive
[08:23] <dhcpless> Benalex, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209&highlight=vmware
[08:23] <vallhalla81> ok you will need a program to set a partition for you
[08:23] <ifireball> dhcpless: I meant the formant of the line looks exactly like a bash command to setup an environment variable, not like a dchpd.conf directive, is line #33 yours as well?
[08:23] <Greevous> how do cd into hidden directories in the terminal
[08:24] <dhcpless> ifireball, the line that begins with what? (33)
[08:24] <RamY> gparted?
[08:24] <Greevous> how do I* cd...
[08:24] <nicolah> How do I exit from vi ?
[08:24] <ifireball> dhcpless: DHCPDARGS
[08:24] <malignity>  :q
[08:24] <vallhalla81> GParted or QTParted should work
[08:25] <RamY> Gparted wouldn't work i get an error
[08:25] <RamY> should i try qtparted?
[08:25] <dhcpless> ifireball,  ahh. yesterday when it didnt work i came to the IRC and someone suggested that ....
[08:25] <dhcpless> ifireball, i basically followed this : http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/ubuntu_dhcp.html
[08:25] <vallhalla81> hmm how many drives do you have/.
[08:25] <RamY> 2 drives
[08:25] <dhcpless> ifireball, i want DHCP3 to boot PXE install
[08:25] <RamY> 10 GB for windows and 70GB for files
[08:26] <RamY> used by windows
[08:26] <gingersnap> yay! there are ppl still on that are still awake!
[08:26] <RamY> i have about 50GB free space
[08:26] <vallhalla81> then why not move all windows things to 1 fdrive and linux on the other?
[08:26] <gingersnap> i was wondering if anyone here uses virtualbox?
[08:26] <ifireball> dhcpless: are you planning on the server doing DNS as well?
[08:27] <RamY> because windows is not very stable, and sometime i get viruses and i have to reinstall windows
[08:27] <bazhang> some do gingersnap
[08:27] <dhcpless> ifireball, no, just serving boot image to a client -thats it
[08:28] <gingersnap> i need alittle help and the vbox channels are .. well dead
[08:28] <vallhalla81> ok there is the option to run windows from linux using vmware you know?
[08:28] <Myrtti> mmmm breakfast. Avt you still there
[08:28] <bazhang> gingersnap: they usually are :}
[08:28] <Benalex> timfrost: thank you... working like charm.... I should read more about linux executable files
[08:28] <ifireball> dhcpless: yeah, like I thought, line #1 should've gone into /etc/default/dhcp3-servr, not dhcpd.conf
[08:28] <Avt> myrtti yes :D
[08:28] <Benalex> dhcpless: thanks for your help
[08:28] <Avt> you smeel the food also hehe
[08:29] <RamY> that i don't know of vallhalla81
[08:29] <ifireball> dhcpless: and you don't need line #33
[08:29] <Myrtti> Avt: so what was your original problem again, the backup or firefox updates
[08:29] <gingersnap> i know there are other programs besides virtualbox.. but my issue is that I can't uninstall it
[08:29] <nicolah> thanks
[08:29] <vallhalla81> ok lets you run a install of windows from within ubuntu
[08:29] <dhcpless> ifireball, THANK YOU , commenting the 1st line did the trick!
[08:29] <Avt> myrtti I think I forgot to post on there how to update firefox and flash im pretty sure
[08:29] <daya> anyone have idea how to modify splashy themes using usplash
[08:30] <dhcpless> Benalex, welcome...
[08:30] <ifireball> dhcpless: basically the fact that it doesn't LOOK like anything else in the file should've given you a hint...
[08:30] <dhcpless> ifireball, do you have experience in PXE booting?
[08:30] <RamY> i'm only trying to isntall ubuntu at the moment not windows
[08:30] <ifireball> dhcpless: yeah, kinda
[08:30] <bazhang> dhcpless: so you can change your nick now? :}
[08:30] <vallhalla81> you could try it that way and have your second disk as a storage device so your files are safer
[08:30] <Avt> myrtti im just trying to make it complete so I can add my gutsy howto
[08:30] <RamY> i did a partition, do i need to name the new partitioned drive?
[08:30] <Myrtti> Avt: the normal upgrade procedure should be enough unless you really really want to update them to a version not in dapper repos
[08:31] <vallhalla81> no the set up will do it for you
[08:31] <RamY> filesystem name is allocated
[08:31] <dhcpless> bazhang, my next nick TFTPless
[08:31] <Avt> myrtti which is
[08:31] <bazhang> dhcpless: hahaha
[08:31] <RamY> so i should apply settings only now?
[08:32] <dhcpless> ifireball, can you recommend a HOWTo? i read about 6 all somewhat different...
[08:32] <vallhalla81> yes i think so
[08:32] <RamY> See the details for more information.
[08:32] <RamY> IMPORTANT
[08:32] <RamY> If you want support, you need to provide the saved details!
[08:32] <RamY> See http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/tips/save_details.htm for more information.
[08:32] <RamY> an error occured
[08:32] <bazhang> ugh
[08:32] <ifireball> dhcpless: nope. my only recommendation would be to READ ALOT and UNDERSTAND what you are doing, blindly following HOWTOs never works
[08:32] <Avt> myrtti man whats the normal update procedure
[08:32] <Myrtti> Avt: dapper currently has 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>~prepatch071125a-0ubuntu1
[08:33] <Avt> for dapper
[08:33] <ifireball> dhcpless: tftp is easy though, you afaik just install it, and pot the right files in /tftpboot
[08:33] <dhcpless> ifireball, great advice....this is a great leap for me, i just have this laptop with no CD, no floppy no USB and Win2k I need to save it
[08:33] <Myrtti> Avt: sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude upgrade
[08:34] <RamY> did u get that vallhalla81?
[08:34] <Avt> I dont need to add firefox or anythin to it?
[08:34] <ifireball> dhcpless: in that case you use something like knoppix that has PXE setup scripted out of the box
[08:34] <ompaul> !paste | RamY
[08:34] <ubotu> RamY: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:35] <dhcpless> ifireball, you mean as PXE server? my laptop client has no CD....
[08:35] <ifireball> though I thought Ubuntu had something like that too on the liveCD
[08:35] <RamY> anyway
[08:35] <ifireball> dhcpless: yeah, knoppix has an option to boot on one machine and then boot the other machines with PXE over the network
[08:36] <vallhalla81> just looking at it ramy
[08:36] <dhcpless> ifireball, really ? knoppix is amazing.....
[08:36] <ifireball> dhcpless: yeah its a rather nifty feature, edubuntu might have that as well though
[08:36] <SeveredCross> Well, it uses the standard Debian base...
[08:36] <SeveredCross> You could easily do that kinda setup with any Debian distro.
[08:37] <vallhalla81> ramy does it show on your drive as a partition?
[08:37] <SeveredCross> It's not really a Knoppix-specific thing. They're just the only ones that have done it so far.
[08:37] <dhcpless> ifireball, ok thank you for your help ,,,,next step TFTP
[08:37] <RamY> before i click apply?
[08:37] <RamY> it says unallocated
[08:37] <vallhalla81> yes
[08:37] <Myrtti> Avt: nope
[08:37] <Avt> ty
[08:38] <squarebracket> i keep on getting permission denied for running /usr/sbin/sshd even though i'm root. can anyone tell me why?
[08:38] <Myrtti> Avt: those commands actually upgrade your *whole* system to up to date
[08:38] <vallhalla81> ok have you tryed making the partiton from windos so it is just a blank space and install to theat so setup can set the files for you?
[08:38] <Avt> what I dont need it updating the kernal
[08:38] <killerfaultier> Is courier-authlib-mysql the same as courier-authmysql?
[08:38] <Avt> it could mess up my video card driver
[08:39] <ifireball> SeveredCross: I know and HAD done that with Debian, but you can't expect newbes to easily jump through all the hoops of a dhcp/tftp/pxelinux/nfs-root install easily...
[08:39] <RamY> no i haven't tried partitioning from windows
[08:39] <timfrost> squarebracket: what do you get from the command 'ls -l /usr/sbin/sshd' ?
[08:39] <SeveredCross> Touche.
[08:39] <vallhalla81> i think it may be worth giving that a go
[08:39] <Myrtti> Avt: hrmmm
[08:40] <RamY> the problem is, if i partition from windows using the CD's that came with PC, i lose everything on the drive with saved files in it
[08:40] <RamY> can i give the new partitioned drive a name, on filesystem?
[08:41] <vallhalla81> you should be able to
[08:41] <RamY> what should i put for filesystem?
[08:41] <RamY> lunix-swap?
[08:41] <RamY> or something else
[08:41] <dhcpless> ifireball, one howto suggest i start tftpd server via inetd , another doest , what are the advantages of inetd?
[08:42] <vallhalla81> lunix-swap should be ok
[08:42] <ifireball> dhcpless: if you you just want to boot that one PC I really recommend you use Knoppix, setting up PXP manually is a LOT of work that was meant only to be done by sysadmins setting up dozens of workstations
[08:43] <ifireball> dhcpless: no advantages to inetd, but you should just stick with what the tftpd package does by default
[08:43] <squarebracket> timfrost: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-17 19:25 /usr/sbin/sshd
[08:43] <dhcpless> ifireball, but then the client PC will boot knoppix , while I want to install Ubuntu
[08:44] <timfrost> squarebracket: is there already a copy of sshd running?
[08:44] <anton_> How to check gateway IP in ubuntu?
[08:44] <dhcpless> i mean i know you can use knoppix to install buntu but isnt it a round about way to do something ?
[08:44] <timfrost> anton_: netstat -nr
[08:44] <RamY> still no luck vallhalla81
[08:45] <squarebracket> timfrost: i got an  [ OK ] when i stopped it
[08:45] <vallhalla81> !windows | RamY
[08:45] <ubotu> RamY: For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[08:45] <vallhalla81> may help
[08:45] <ifireball> dhcpless: setting up PXE for one machine is WAY more of a round about...
[08:45] <squarebracket> timfrost: but i'm doing all of this via ssh... i wanted to change the port so that i could ssh to it without having to go through another computer on the network
[08:46] <vallhalla81> stuck for idears now sory
[08:46] <RamY> that's ok, thank you anyway :D
[08:46] <dhcpless> ifireball, ok thank you for your help , i want to google to knoppix boot PXE option now
[08:46] <ifireball> dhcpless: can does that laptop has a USB port?
[08:46] <vallhalla81> ok good luck
[08:46] <dhcpless> ifireball, it has but does not boot from USB
[08:47] <gouki> Anyone here has OpenArena installed and is willing to help me out testing my server?
[08:47] <bazhang> ramy gone?
[08:47] <ifireball> dhcpless: how about a CDROM drive?
[08:47] <timfrost> squarebracket: if there is an existing connection to port 22, the server won't be able to restart on that port.  Have you changed the port number in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[08:47] <dhcpless> ifireball, nope
[08:47] <dhcpless> no floppyeither
[08:48] <ifireball> dhcpless: you may be able to install GRUB on the MBR with knoppix and then chain-load the installer from USB
[08:48] <dhcpless> ifireball, look : http://dynabook.com/pc/catalog/ss/02012120/index_j.htm
[08:48] <squarebracket> timfrost: yes i have changed the port number both in ssh_config and sshd_config... is there any way i can start it again on another port remotely?
[08:48] <ifireball> dhcpless: pretty... but useless I guess...
[08:49] <macd> squarebracket, if its changed both places, restarting ssh should make that active, but you'll loose your active connection, so use something like screen to issue the restart in
[08:49] <ifireball> dhcpless: how did they intend for you to factory-restore the OS if you ever need to?
[08:50] <dhcpless> ifireball, it is sold by bulk to companies. Toshiba takes care of any problems
[08:50] <psyferre> hey folks, hope everyone is doing well.  Has anyone setup ejabberd and jwchat on ubuntu that also might have a few minutes to give me a shove in the right direction?  I'd really appreciate it :)
[08:50] <dhcpless> ifireball,  my friend got when his company upgraded to a new Toshiba
[08:50] <ifireball> dhcpless: then it would be nice to figure out what the Toshiba guys do, there must be a way to boot a windows install on it
[08:51] <ifireball> dhcpless: would a USB CD-ROM work?
[08:51] <bazhang> dhcpless: how old is that computer?
[08:51] <squarebracket> macd: i don't mind losing the active connection, so long as i can get back in once it's restarted... how would i do that, exactly?
[08:51] <vallhalla81> dhcpless does it have a cd drive?
[08:51] <dhcpless> ifireball, they take the HD out ,install a ghost image and boot it. no CD drive, It's about 5 years old
[08:52] <dhcpless> i mean they copy a ghost image unto the hD
[08:52] <ifireball> dhcpless: I suppose you could do that too if you have another laptop...
[08:52] <vallhalla81> then usb or remove the drive is the only option
[08:52] <timfrost> squarebracket: you can explicitly speciofy a different port number with the -p option - for example ' sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -p 44'
[08:52] <vallhalla81> or buy a usb cd/dvd drive
[08:52] <dhcpless> ifireball, the problem is that the HD is not standard
[08:53] <ifireball> dhcpless: oh..
[08:54] <rhetoric> hi, anyone know how i can setup a basic file share between two ubuntu computers on a basic-dumb-hub?
[08:54] <malignity> how do i turn off join/part notices in pidgin?
[08:54] <rhetoric> all the guides ive found are from like 2-3 years ago, and assume i know the local IP of my other computer
[08:55] <Myrtti> malignity: there's a plugin for that
[08:55] <ifireball> dhcpless: anyway, try using knoppix, any maybe the chain-load thing (I'm not that sure that grub can boot things off USB, I've been meaning to try that lately but didn't get around to it)
[08:55] <squarebracket> timfrost: i just tried that, but i get a "no route to host" error
[08:55] <rhetoric> i've installed NFS and setup shares on both of my PCs on this hub, but how do i mount them?
[08:55] <dhcpless> ifireball, i'm trying to google that as we speak.. thank you!
[08:55] <malignity> Myrtti: do you know which one?
[08:56] <malignity> nevermind :)
[08:56] <timfrost> squarebracket: from sshd?
[08:56] <Myrtti> malignity: you can get it by installing the pidgin plugins from the repositories, I can't remember the name though
[08:56] <malignity> thanks
[08:56] <rhetoric> this is the first thing that is actually easier in windows :/
[08:56] <malignity> it's called join/part hiding heh
[08:56] <Myrtti> I don't believe in pidgin being an IRC client
[08:56] <rhetoric> windows to setup a basic file share i "share folder" then mount hostname:/share
[08:56] <timfrost> !info pidgin-plugin-pack
[08:56] <ubotu> pidgin-plugin-pack: 30 useful plugins for pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0-1 (gutsy), package size 159 kB, installed size 624 kB
[08:57] <malignity> no but it'll suffice, Myrtti
[08:57] <Myrtti> malignity: if you're not using it more than once a week ;-)
[08:57] <Myrtti> malignity: for max 2 hrs :-P
[08:57] <malignity> until i figure out what's wrong with the charset in screen on my shell and the ubuntu terminal >_<
[08:57] <squarebracket> timfrost: no, it looks like sshd executes, but when i try to ssh to the machine, i get a "no route to host" error
[08:58] <ifireball> rhetoric: well, NFS was designed with OLD UNIX sysadmins in mind, and ppl seem to be puring more work into making SMB easy now-days
[08:58] <timfrost> squarebracket: are the two machines on the same network?
[08:58] <rhetoric> samba doesnt even let me choose who can login via gui
[08:58] <rhetoric> just share name and read only
[08:58] <dhcpless> ifireball, look here http://www.babytux.org/articles/howto/how2netknoppix.php . i wonder if in step 4 , i can copy some files that would install Ubuntu?
[08:59] <malignity> rhetoric: ifconfig didn't tell you what you want to know?
[08:59] <malignity> re: local ip addresses
[08:59] <rhetoric> im a big noob malignity
[09:00] <rhetoric> i dont see any 192.* or 10.*
[09:00] <squarebracket> err, sort of. the machine that i'm on right now is one network. i've got an ssh console over the internet to one of the computers in the remote network. the machine i want on a different ssh port is another computer on that remote network.
[09:00] <grade_> hi guys
[09:00] <rhetoric> eth0 and lo
[09:00] <grade_> i have a question regarding apache2 ssl
[09:00] <bazhang> rhetoric: samba server?
[09:00] <grade_> i cant find this command in ubuntu server 7.10
[09:00] <pr0nGuy> Is there an instantaneously way to know whether your inet connection has been cut?
[09:00] <EADG> Evening all
[09:00] <ifireball> dhcpless: what he does there is copy Knoppix to the PXE SERVER, its not what you want
[09:00] <grade_> apache2-ssl-certificate
[09:00] <rhetoric> bazhang, i tried to use NFS but i really have no idea what im doing. im new from windows
[09:01] <squarebracket> timfrost: err, sort of. the machine that i'm on right now is one network. i've got an ssh console over the internet to one of the computers in the remote network. the machine i want on a different ssh port is another computer on that remote network.
[09:01] <RamY> help, excuse me
[09:01] <dhcpless> ifireball, i guess i didnt read carefully
[09:01] <bazhang> rhetoric: sharing via samba?
[09:01] <RamY> An error occurred while writing the changes to the storage devices.
[09:01] <RamY> The resize operation is aborted
[09:01] <rhetoric> bazhang, it was easy to "share" folders via GUI with either NFS or samba i just dont seem to be able to mount them on the other PC
[09:02] <rhetoric> bazhang, i tried mount computername:/share /localfolder
[09:02] <theteacher> hi all. how can i boot ubuntu alternate cd from terminal? what command should i type?
[09:02] <rhetoric> it says computername has no ip
[09:02] <rhetoric> basically it says huh? hostname? wtf?
[09:02] <ifireball> rhetoric: with samba it should be simple matter of navigating the share with Nautilus
[09:02] <macd> squarebracket, you restarted sshd yet? or did you start another sshd without stopping the first one?
[09:02] <ifireball> rhetoric: to use the IP...
[09:02] <bazhang> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy rhetoric scroll down for samba
[09:02] <ifireball> rhetoric: so* use the IP...
[09:03] <dhcpless> ifireball, thanks again , signing off
[09:03] <Wander_w> theteacher: I think you are supposed to select the alternate boot cd at boot time
[09:03] <rhetoric> ifireball, im a noob and dont know the ip
[09:03] <rhetoric> ifireball, you mean the internet ip? :/
[09:03] <squarebracket> macd: i called /etc/init.d/sshd restart a while ago, it stopped the service, but i got a permission denied error on the restart
[09:03] <jxxxt> Ramy, I do not know the answer to your problem but I am sure if you continue banging around in the dark you will wreck one or both of your systems. Stop and study for a while..
[09:03] <macd> squarebracket, then it didnt stop, you need to issue that as sudo.
[09:03] <ifireball> rhetoric: well, what are your 2 machine connected through?
[09:03] <rhetoric> i cant seem to find any local IP, the computers each have their OWN internet IP and are on a cheap hub
[09:03] <timfrost> squarebracket: does 'netstat -nta | grep LIST' on the server show the new port?   On gutsy, I get a line like "tcp6       0      0 :::44                   :::*                    LISTEN ".  What do you see?
[09:03] <squarebracket> macd: i'm running as root
[09:04] <macd> squarebracket, ohh, and its /etc/init.d/ssh restart, not sshd
[09:04] <rhetoric> ifireball, you saw that last message forgot to include your name?
[09:04] <macd> squarebracket, but before you do that, you need to launch a screen session
[09:04] <macd> squarebracket, or the command will NOT finish and you may be stuck out
[09:04] <rhetoric> ifireball, i cant seem to find any local IP, the computers each have their OWN internet IP and are on a cheap hub
[09:04] <ifireball> rhetoric: essentially what you're saying is that your problems my be connectivity related and have nothing to so with samba or nfs...
[09:04] <theteacher> Wander_w, i want to install ubuntu from usb flashdisk. no cdrom on the pc. the pc cant boot from usb flashdisk. so i want to go to terminal by floppy n boot the alternate cd. how bout it?
[09:04] <rhetoric> ifireball, it works fine on the same computers in windows/macos
[09:04] <RamY> jxxxt: my problem is, i can't get ubuntu to install, i already have windows installed on this pc, and i would like to partition harddrive so i can install ubuntu without losing windows
[09:05] <rhetoric> ifireball, i just mount hostname:/share in windows works fine
[09:05] <RamY> i was intructed to use gparted, that didn't work
[09:05] <wols_> RamY: so resize your windows partition
[09:05] <macd> squarebracket, like "screen" "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart", then ssh back in like "ssh -p 44 user@host"
[09:05] <ifireball> rhetoric: how are they connected to the internet?
[09:05] <RamY> then someone said to use vmware and i don't know how to use that
[09:05] <rhetoric> ifireball, through a basic cheap a** hub (sends all packets to all connected devices)
[09:05] <webspiderus> can anyone help me get Desktop Effects running on ubuntu 7.10? I added the restricted drivers and tried to follow a few tutorials, but when I try to enable any Visual Effects, I simply get a message 'Desktop effects can not be enabled' (or something to that effect)
[09:06] <rhetoric> not a router, not even a switch, just a hub, with 2 pcs
[09:06] <squarebracket> timfrost: ya, it's listening on the ports i specified.
[09:06] <RamY> hwo do i do that wols_
[09:06] <wols_> webspiderus: what videocard and what driver?
[09:06] <wols_> RamY: run gparted from the livecd
[09:06] <wols_> RamY: but backup your windows installation first just in case
[09:06] <rhetoric> ifireball, maybe windows automatically assigns local IPs while linux doesn't?
[09:06] <RamY> wols_:  i did, i made a new drive, but i get an error
[09:06] <squarebracket> macd: without dropping the connection first? i still get the permission denied error.
[09:07] <wols_> RamY: what error?
[09:07] <ifireball> rhetoric: well, doesn't it "just work" for you with samba, if it works with windows it should work with about the same with samba
[09:07] <RamY> when i hit apply
[09:07] <webspiderus> wols_: Nvidia 7900 GT - I'm using the latest drivers I could find on Nvidia's website
[09:07] <timfrost> squarebracket: what happens when you do 'telnet <server> 44' from the client system (not you home system)?
[09:07] <RamY> ok i will do it again so i can show you the error, just a min
[09:07] <macd> squarebracket, I can't see how you'd get a permissions error as root, can you paste your whole error to pastebin
[09:07] <rhetoric> ifireball, i spent more time hacking around with NFS i'll try samba again now
[09:07] <jxxxt> Ramy, I always let the pstitioner shrink my windows (ntfs) to about one third its original size it worked for me every time except once where I lost win xp pro completely I think it was because I did not defrag windows first but I am not toosure
[09:07] <ifireball> rhetoric: no, they both do the same thing on that level, unless you're using an ancient Ubuntu version
[09:07] <jxxxt> partitioner
[09:07] <wols_> webspiderus: "glxinfo" and ubuntu comes with perfectly fine drivers in the restricted repo. I don't support nvidia.com drivers
[09:07] <Wander_w> theteacher: You might try some strange hack with pivot_root, kexec or the like; but really it seams easier to buy a cdrom drive
[09:08] <rhetoric> ifireball, one box is feisty ppc, other gutsy x86
[09:08] <macd> rhetoric, NFS should be WAY easier than samba to setup b/t *nix hosts
[09:08] <rhetoric> macd, im a noob and having lots of trouble with NFS
[09:08] <macd> rhetoric, its a few lines in hosts.allow, a few lines in /etc/exports and a line or 2 in fstab.
[09:08] <ifireball> rhetoric: Samba works becaue it does the network-equivalent of SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY on the network to find other hosts
[09:08] <rhetoric> macd, i cant even manually mount the share
[09:09] <macd> rhetoric, to ubuntuforums have a nice guide, it takes about 15 minutes to setup ;)
[09:09] <squarebracket> timfrost: from the first computer inside the remote network, i get no route to host
[09:09] <macd> rhetoric, what error are you getting?
[09:09] <webspiderus> wols_: well, I'm not bound to nvidia.com drivers .. I'm up to try anything at the moment. The last thing I tried is using Envy to get my video card configured
[09:09] <RamY> wols_:   See the details for more information.
[09:09] <RamY> IMPORTANT
[09:09] <RamY> If you want support, you need to provide the saved details!
[09:09] <RamY> See http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/tips/save_details.htm for more information.
[09:09] <theteacher> so there is no single command to boot from cd rom?
[09:09] <ifireball> rhetoric: though you need to make sure both hosts are on the same SMB workgroup
[09:09] <macd> squarebracket, then sshd did NOT restart properly
[09:09] <rhetoric> macd, i tried mount hostname:/share and it says the host cant be found, and i dont know the local ip (it's a cheap hub)
[09:09] <rhetoric> ifireball, k
[09:09] <RamY> an error occured while applying operstions         wols_
[09:09] <macd> rhetoric, login to the box and get the IP, and use it.
[09:09] <timfrost> squarebracket: and the two machines are on the same network?
[09:09] <bazhang> theteacher: what cdrom
[09:09] <squarebracket> macd: Starting sshd; /etc/init.d/sshd; line 113; /usr/sbin/sshd; Permission denied
[09:10] <rhetoric> macd, in ifconfig i dont see any 192.* or 10.*
[09:10] <macd> rhetoric, make that box have a static IP, and mount via IP in fstab.
[09:10] <Wander_w> theteacher: I don't know of any if your allready in Linux
[09:10] <rhetoric> macd, how do i give it a static ip?
[09:10] <macd> rhetoric, is the box ON the network?
[09:10] <rhetoric> macd, im a total noob bud :) sorry
[09:10] <squarebracket> timfrost: yes, i'm calling it via it's local network ip
[09:10] <rhetoric> macd, in windows it was a matter of "share folder" "map network drive host:/share"
[09:10] <macd> squarebracket, I've said like 3 times now, its NOT sshd its ssh.
[09:10] <rhetoric> macd, that's about all i know :/
[09:10] <Wander_w> theteacher: Maybe kqemu, vmware or some other virtualisation software
[09:10] <macd> rhetoric, linux is not windows ;)
[09:11] <squarebracket> macd: /etc/init.d/ssh: no such file or directory
[09:11] <rhetoric> macd, indeed and im glad, but im still a noob :)
[09:11] <macd> squarebracket, and this is ubuntu?
[09:11] <Wander_w> macd: damn, NOW you tell me
[09:11] <bazhang> theteacher: you want help?
[09:11] <squarebracket> macd: yes
[09:11] <ifireball> macd: yeah, but it should work about the same
[09:11] <macd> squarebracket, then you have the only machine ever with sshd not ssh in init.d
[09:11] <theteacher> bazhang, yes
[09:11] <Vorbote> macd: the easiest way: open the gnome-network-applet by openning the "manual configuration" item in the network-manager menu.
[09:11] <rhetoric> macd, it just seems that with all the other things that work out of the box in ubuntu, a basic file share on a hub would be GUI-able, or at least easy
[09:11] <theteacher> Wander_W, iwant ubuntu on my pc
[09:11] <bazhang> theteacher: answer my question then
[09:11] <squarebracket> macd: interesting...
[09:11] <macd> rhetoric, maybe, maybe not, its not exactly cut and dry.
[09:12] <Wander_w> theteacher: And the PC is running what? now?
[09:12] <rhetoric> macd, but it does seem like there is not even a LAN to speak of, how can i check?
[09:12] <RamY> wols_: well?
[09:12] <macd> rhetoric, but to put this in perspective, assign it a static IP, then use that to mount the NFS shares
[09:12] <macd> rhetoric, ping yahoo.com ?
[09:12] <theteacher> Wander_w, win98se
[09:12] <ifireball> rhetoric: well, you seem have kind of a bastard setup of a network, what windows does to work over it anyway is VERY insecure
[09:12] <rhetoric> macd, both boxes have an internet IP
[09:12] <bazhang> RamY: you downloaded gparted from windows and used that, correct?
[09:12] <theteacher> bazhang,im waiting
[09:12] <timfrost> squarebracket: and the same IP worked for port 22?
[09:13] <rhetoric> ifireball, i thought as much :(
[09:13] <RamY> gparted from windows? no
[09:13] <Wander_w> theteacher: eek!
[09:13] <RamY> gparted using ubuntu
[09:13] <bazhang> !who | theteacher ask the question
[09:13] <ubotu> theteacher ask the question: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[09:13] <macd> rhetoric, your not making sense, they both have internet IP's? and they're behind a router or something? or are they using seperate internet connections?
[09:13] <RamY> alt+f2  >  gksudo  >  gparted
[09:13] <rhetoric> macd, it's a really really cheap hub (not a switch, not a router)
[09:13] <bazhang> RamY: there is no error message from ubuntu like that iirc
[09:13] <squarebracket> timfrost: ya, before i tried altering the port it did
[09:13] <macd> rhetoric, ohhhh
[09:14] <rhetoric> macd, both boxes get an ip via DHCP
[09:14] <macd> rhetoric, ohhhhhh
[09:14] <lifesf> Hi everyone; I need some help to mount; i've tried going through man pages a bit; the info on the internet has not been helpful so far... I am wondering if anyone would be able to help me figure out how to mount a hdd on my present machine; and preferably so it can mount automatically each time the pc reboots.
[09:14] <ifireball> macd: hes not behind a router, getting 2 different _real_ IP from the ISP it seems
[09:14] <macd> rhetoric, I dont think either samba or NFS is going to work for you
[09:14] <rhetoric> macd, all the hub does i think is send all packets to both boxes
[09:14] <bazhang> !mount
[09:14] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:14] <squarebracket> timfrost, i see that i've still got some sshd's running when i ps | grep sshd
[09:14] <RamY> what does irc got to do with it? i'm trying to install the ubuntu OS
[09:14] <bazhang> see above lifesf
[09:14] <wols_> RamY: did you defrag your windows? did you unmount your windows partition first?
[09:14] <lifesf> oh yeah forgot; i am running server
[09:14] <macd> rhetoric, youd need some way to have dns for both machines to communicate using hostnames, or change your entire config for NFS everytime your IP's change
[09:15] <TanisWolfbane> hi people, is there a way of searching the installed package list of files so i can restore a deleted module?
[09:15] <squarebracket> timfrost, though i don't know what ports they're listening on
[09:15] <rhetoric> macd, maybe i could directly connect the boxes then?
[09:15] <lifesf> !mount
[09:15] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:15] <macd> rhetoric, just buy a cheap 4 port router for 30 bux.
[09:15] <rhetoric> macd, sounds like a plan lol
[09:15] <wols_> TanisWolfbane: dpkg -l  |grep ^ii   or aptitude search ~i
[09:15] <macd> rhetoric, at least thats what I would do :)
[09:15] <TanisWolfbane> thanks
[09:15] <rhetoric> macd, but isnt there a way i can directly connect them?
[09:15] <macd> squarebracket, are you able to ssh into the box? or are you already in the box?
[09:15] <rhetoric> macd, it's rare that i even need to move files between the machines
[09:15] <cherva> are software indexing settings configured depending on the system when it boots from the livecd (like compiz-fusion) or they are the same for all users booting (and hopefuly installing) ubuntu
[09:15] <RamY> wols_:  so u r saying that i should login to window first, defragment the drive, then partition the dirve then boot ubuntu cd?
[09:16] <bazhang> RamY: insert the cd--resize the disk--guided--use ubuntu's suggestions--proceed, then when it is finished reboot and there you are
[09:16] <wols_> RamY: yes
[09:16] <macd> rhetoric, sure, with a crossover cable, and setting static IP's, but neither could be in the internet while this goes on
[09:16] <theteacher> bazhang, <bazhang>	theteacher: answer my question then
[09:16] <RamY> bazhang:  i get an error when i do that
[09:16] <RamY> wols_:  ok i'm going to do what u said
[09:16] <squarebracket> macd: i'm in the box right now. still in it from the first time i tried restarting sshd
[09:16] <wols_> rhetoric: does their (internal) IP change?
[09:16] <bazhang> RamY: not the guided you dont the manual is what that error is for
[09:16] <edis6n> hello, i just bought a razer diamondback mouse with g3 laser 1800 dpi but how to use those 1800 dpi, lomoco is 400, 800, 1600, 2000 dpi but nothing between.. im out of ideas already
[09:16] <macd> squarebracket, ahhh
[09:16] <Wander_w> theteacher: I don't know enough about win98se to help you. If I were you, I would either get a cheap cd drive, or pay someone else to install ubuntu for you
[09:17] <rhetoric> wols_, im not sure what internal IP is all about
[09:17] <bazhang> theteacher please ask your question or go elsewhere
[09:17] <ifireball> macd: you might be able to get away with setting up virtual IPs and tweaking /etc/hosts
[09:17] <wols_> rhetoric: what ip does you ubuntu have right now?
[09:17] <macd> squarebracket, just for fun, try using sudo instead of root to restart sshd
[09:17] <RamY> bazhang: wols_ already gave me some tips, i'm gonna try them, if they don't work, i will do what u siad.
[09:17] <macd> ifireball, yeah, I didnt think of that like eth0:1
[09:17] <lifesf> i didn't really understand,... how to mount hard drive; preferably automatically when computer boot. i am running linux server without gui
[09:17] <ifireball> macd: indeed
[09:17] <rhetoric> wols_, i have two ubuntu boxes on a basic hub (not a router, not a switch) both with seperate internet IP via DHCP, and i want a local share
[09:17] <stewart> what command do i use to start the mysql database
[09:17] <squarebracket> macd: doing that both stopping and starting fails.
[09:17] <rhetoric> wols_, in ifconfig i see no 192.* or 10.*
[09:17] <bazhang> ramy good, see you soon
[09:18] <Myrtti> stewart: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[09:18] <squarebracket> macd: nevermind, it does that without sudo
[09:18] <macd> squarebracket, do you have physical access, or just remote?
[09:18] <squarebracket> macd: only remote, unfortunately.
[09:18] <theteacher> bazhang, i want to install ubuntu from usb flashdisk. no cdrom on the pc. the pc cant boot from usb flashdisk. so i want to go to terminal by floppy n boot the alternate cd. how bout it
[09:18] <macd> squarebracket, so it worked with sudo?
[09:18] <stewart> how can i start the mysql database?
[09:18] <rhetoric> macd, router is sounding like a plan, but it sucks that i can easily share in windows :/
[09:18] <squarebracket> macd: no, it fails with or without sudo (i'm logged in as root right now)
[09:18] <Myrtti> stewart: ^
[09:18] <Wander_w> stewart: /etc/init.d/mysql start
[09:18] <macd> squarebracket, login NOT as root and try WITH sudo :)
[09:18] <bazhang> theteacher: how old is this machine?
[09:18] <Myrtti> Wander_w: better have it restarted in case there already is one running
[09:19] <macd> rhetoric, ehhh yeah but thats b/c you have netbios.
[09:19] <ifireball> rhetoric: again if you really want it to work like windows, Samba should be able to do that
[09:19] <timfrost> squarebracket: does /var/run/sshd.pid exist?  That may cause the start script to refuse to run
[09:19] <wols_> rhetoric: what is the route you use?
[09:19] <macd> wols_, it seems like his ISP gives him 2 internet IP's via a hub, but the boxes can't talk to each other.
[09:19] <rhetoric> wols_, route? elaborate
[09:19] <wols_> rhetoric: /sbin/route
[09:20] <theteacher> bazhang, its pentium 2 with 196 Mb. i use xubuntu alternate cd.
[09:20] <squarebracket> macd: the problem is i can't login to the box anymore. i su'ed way back before i even tried restarting sshd so that i didn't have to sudo to do a bunch of things. would dropping out of su mode drop the connection?
[09:20] <malignity> anything older than windows 2000 makes the baby jesus crieee
[09:20] <ReaperWitobi> I feel so incompetent, but does anyone know a way I can go about developing PHP webpages on my laptop?
[09:20] <macd> timfrost, you think? I mean the init sshd restart script checks the existance of a PID before stopping/staerting, and IF sshd is running (which it is hes logged in) the PID would have to exist
[09:20] <wols_> malignity: sure, use the editor of your choice and do it
[09:20] <rhetoric> wols_, what part of that output is relevant (do you want me to paste)?
[09:20] <squarebracket> timfrost, no it doesn't
[09:20] <edis6n> möchte so gern mit meiner neuen diamondback und 1800 dpi spielen :(
[09:20] <wols_> rhetoric: all of it if possible, in a pastebin
[09:21] <wols_> !de | edis6n
[09:21] <ubotu> edis6n: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:21] <macd> squarebracket, it shouldnt, you didnt login remotely as root did you?
[09:21] <rhetoric> wols_, you lost me at pastebin sorry im a noob
[09:21] <edis6n> sorry, wrong channel ;)
[09:21] <wols_> !paste | rhetoric
[09:21] <ubotu> rhetoric: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:21] <rhetoric> wols_, ty
[09:21] <edis6n> i want to play with my new razer diamondback and 1800 dpi so bad
[09:21] <squarebracket> macd: no, i logged in as a normal user, and then used su.
[09:21] <macd> squarebracket, then you can exit su
[09:22] <timfrost> macd: If the PID file exists, then the script will see if that process is still running, and fail the restart.  But the file isn't there, so I don't know what is happening.
[09:22] <TanisWolfbane> wols_ I am actually trying to find out which package contains a file not search for a package, any ideas?
[09:22] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: Install apache, apache-php and mysql and start reading some php tutorials
[09:22] <squarebracket> macd: ah! i was still in screen..hm.
[09:22] <rhetoric> TanisWolfbane, it's just below package search, on the package search page
[09:22] <wols_> TanisWolfbane: dpkg -S <path to file>
[09:23] <macd> timfrost, yeah no PID, and ssh is still logged in, WIERD. not to mention his is /etc/init.d/sshd not ssh? (all mine are ssh)
[09:23] <wols_> macd: sshd being logged in is normal and will stay logged in until you close the connection. sshd just doesn't accept new connections
[09:23] <ReaperWitobi> Wander_w:  I've tried all that, but even the simplest PHP scripts are screwy
[09:23] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: try this simple php page as an example: <?php echo "Hello World!" ?>
[09:23] <rhetoric> TanisWolfbane, ahh i see you mean locally, BUT if you use the package search site it will show where it installs by default
[09:24] <cherva> are software indexing settings configured depending on the system when it boots from the livecd (like compiz-fusion) or they are the same for all users booting (and hopefuly installing) ubuntu
[09:24] <macd> wols_, ohhh, I've had them kick me off before
[09:24] <timfrost> macd: doing stop/start may explain the pid fie being missing, but the rest is strange
[09:24] <TanisWolfbane> thanks
[09:24] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: please define "screwy"
[09:24] <macd> squarebracket, If your really confident you made the proper config changes, you could reboot it. but uhhhh.....
[09:24] <rhetoric> wols_, pastebin site not loading. it's an IP from my ISP DHCP server, then link-local, then default
[09:24] <bazhang> any usb ports on that computer theteacher
[09:25] <squarebracket> macd: well all i did was edit out the "port" line and changed it to 222
[09:25] <wols_> rhetoric: paste.ubuntu-nl.org is loading fine
[09:25] <fotoflo> whats the package manager called again in ubuntu?
[09:25] <Avt> ty guys night
[09:26] <rhetoric> wols_, times out for me i blame level3 :)
[09:26] <macd> squarebracket, you are trying to ssh to it specifying the port right? (earlier you had mentioned port 44 I thought)
[09:26] <Wander_w> fotoflo: Mine's called "Programmas toevoegen/verwijderen" ;)
[09:26] <rhetoric> wols_, in my scene kiddie days i had a .nl shell it happened all the time :/ some surfnet box likes to die
[09:26] <wols_> rhetoric: pastebin.ca
[09:26] <fotoflo> sudo *what* install ?
[09:26] <rhetoric> wols_, ty
[09:26] <bazhang> theteacher: any usb ports? I have to go in a couple...
[09:26] <macd> rhetoric, also pastie.caboo.se
[09:26] <squarebracket> macd: i wanted it running on port 222, but i launched sshd both on port 222 and port 44. and yes, i am specifying the port
[09:27] <TanisWolfbane> okay so I am trying to restore the following file: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwl3945.ko but no package seems to contain it!!!!! Any ideas
[09:27] <macd> squarebracket, ohhhh
[09:27] <rhetoric> wols_, http://pastebin.ca/834578
[09:27] <bazhang> theteacher: ? hmm I guess he left
[09:27] <theteacher> bazhang, yes. there's usb port
[09:27] <timfrost> squarebracket: does 'netstat -nta | grep LIST' show entries for port 44 or 222?
[09:27] <macd> squarebracket, you manually started another ssh on both ports, and changed the config? and then restarted it using init.d, no wonder its f-d.
[09:27] <ReaperWitobi> Wander: everything after the [echo "] gets printed.  I wind up with [Hello World";?>]
[09:28] <Wander_w> TanisWolfbane: it is probably in package linux-2.6.22-14-modules or something
[09:28] <macd> squarebracket, I'd find all the running ssh'd processes and kill the ones on any port other than 22.
[09:28] <wols_> rhetoric: get a dyndns hostname for each of your PCs and use that to find each other when/if the IP changes
[09:28] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: How are you trying to run the php script?
[09:29] <jxxxt> fotoflo. apt-get
[09:29] <fotoflo> jxxxt: right!
[09:29] <fotoflo> thanks
[09:29] <TanisWolfbane> yea thats what I thought but  dpkg -S  says not found and I've tried reinstalling all the kernel packages
[09:29] <ReaperWitobi> I'm trying to open it in a web browser?
[09:29] <rhetoric> wols_, so i need to mount via internet IP, wont that route everything out and back in?
[09:29] <wols_> rhetoric: it shouldn't. that's why I asked for your route
[09:29] <squarebracket> timfrost: i had both before, but now i only have 222
[09:29] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: how did you save the script? What's the filename?
[09:29] <Wander_w> (and the path)
[09:29] <squarebracket> macd: it never properly restarted using init.d
[09:29] <rhetoric> wols_, gotcha lemme try mounting
[09:30] <wols_> TanisWolfbane: what file are you looking for its package?
[09:30] <squarebracket> macd: also, how can i tell which process is running on which port? ps | grep sshd doesn't tell me
[09:30] <macd> rhetoric, run traceroute from one box to the others IP, and see where it goes.
[09:30] <TanisWolfbane> /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwl3945.ko
[09:30] <macd> squarebracket, lsof
[09:30] <wols_> squarebracket: netstat -anp |grep ssh
[09:30] <ReaperWitobi> 123.php
[09:30] <rhetoric> macd, good idea :)
[09:30] <Wander_w> TanisWolfbane: try apt-cache search linux module and then apt-get --reinstall install <thepackage>
[09:30] <macd> squarebracket, what wols_ said too.
[09:30] <ReaperWitobi> I'm editing it with gedit or vim (depends on the day)
[09:30] <rhetoric> macd, btw how does windows do it?
[09:31] <Stupid^Kid> excuse me what does hip-hop mean
[09:31] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: where did you put it?
[09:31] <macd> rhetoric, with netbios, which makes a dynamic mapping of host/ip's
[09:31] <fotoflo> if i have apt-get properly installed, i can install anything else, right?
[09:31] <fotoflo> apt-get and gcc
[09:31] <rhetoric> macd, ahhhh :)
[09:31] <ifireball> rhetoric: windows sens your files through the internet....
[09:31] <wols_> macd: it ises a tcp to netbios service helper
[09:31] <wols_> *uses
[09:32] <macd> wols_, plain english helped him understand. IN know what it is ;)
[09:32] <Wander_w> Stupid^Kid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip-hop
[09:32] <macd> I know*
[09:32] <rhetoric> wols_, will your dyndns solution essentially do the same thing?
[09:32] <ReaperWitobi> I have two copies, on in ~/Desktop and one in ~/public_html
[09:32] <Stupid^Kid> Wander_w: Thank you!
[09:32] <rhetoric> maybe it would be safer to use SSH?
[09:32] <macd> rhetoric, yes, but you dont want it routing NFS over the internet, NOT safe.
[09:32] <timfrost> squarebracket: what happens if you try 'telnet <server> 222'?
[09:32] <wols_> rhetoric: more or less, tho samba can't deal with IPs very well
[09:32] <Wander_w> Stupid^Kid: try wikipedia yourself first nexttime :)
[09:33] <squarebracket> timfrost: no route to host
[09:33] <macd> rhetoric, squarebracket good luck, its almost 4am so I must go
[09:33] <LordOfThePigs> Hello, is it possible to use the network manager and iwconfig at the same time?
[09:33] <edis6n> no one here who could help me with my 1800 dpi mouse problem?
[09:33] <rhetoric> macd, traceroute gave me <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:33] <Stupid^Kid> Wander_w: i got it, but it willn't open
[09:33] <macd> rhetoric, huh?
[09:33] <TanisWolfbane> Wander_w: no it returns nothing, dkpg -S returns nothing and I've manually looked through all the kernel packages in Synaptic and non of them seem to list it
[09:33] <rhetoric> macd, is that my local address, what gives?
[09:33] <ifireball> rhetoric: SSH would be as safe as you can go, if you don't mind the speed
[09:33] <squarebracket> macd: thanks. i should probably hit the sack too. 4:30 here.
[09:33] <LordOfThePigs> for some reason, the network manager won,t let me use a 40 bits wep key...
[09:33] <macd> rhetoric, paste the route for both boxes on that pastebin and let me see it
[09:34] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: it should go in ~/public_html or somewhere in /var/www/ and then you should access it using a web browser
[09:34] <LordOfThePigs> and that's what my router uses
[09:34] <rhetoric> macd, http://pastebin.ca/834585
[09:34] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: like: http://localhost/~youusername/123.php
[09:34] <rhetoric> macd, that's from gutsy to feisty
[09:34] <macd> rhetoric, no the route comand output from BOTH boxes plz
[09:34] <wols_> TanisWolfbane: what file is it?
[09:35] <rhetoric> macd, i cant paste it from the other box gimme a sec :)
[09:35] <Wander_w> sec's over
[09:35] <macd> rhetoric, sure
[09:35] <TanisWolfbane>  /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwl3945.ko
[09:35] <ReaperWitobi> Wander - Uh... yeah.  That's what I've been doing.  But the script prints poorly....
[09:36] <neo17_2lo> hi all
[09:36] <macd> rhetoric, ahh is that your other box right there?
[09:36] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: hmm... strange
[09:36] <rhetoric_> macd, yep :)
[09:36] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: Did you install all the apache-php stuff?
[09:36] <neo17_2lo> is anyone here wko has kingpin? :D
[09:37] <Spl33n> Hi! Me again :) Just wondering if anyone else has noticed a dramatic reduction of laptop battery life in Gutsy (even after utilising powertop's suggestions, lowering display brigtness, etc)
[09:37] <macd> sooo, from the 75.100. box, you run "traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>" then paste that to pastebin for me
[09:37] <macd> @ rhetoric
[09:37] <ifireball> macd: wait wait, I think it may be posible to get a click-easy solution to rhetoric's problem with avahi/zeroconf, e.g. have the machines talk on the 169.254 range
[09:37] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: maybe try the commandline version of php and then type on the commandline: php 123.php
[09:37] <macd> ifireball, I think we can do an eth0:1 on each box and just do <IP_ADDRESS>/2 and set tyhem static too, but I'm not sure thats a great idea
[09:37] <neo17_2lo> :(
[09:38] <macd> ifireball, or at least I dont have the time to explain it ;)
[09:38] <ifireball> macd: seems that ubuntu can route to that range by default, and I'd rather solve that without having his to complex stuff on the console
[09:39] <macd> ifireball, yeah, but Im not sure that will leave him with internet connectivity
[09:39] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: I think you need libapache2-mod-php5
[09:39] <rhetoric_> macd, http://pastebin.ca/834590 now you can hax0r both my boxes! loljk
[09:39] <macd> wooohoooo rhetoric  ./hacks
[09:39] <macd> ;P
[09:39] <ReaperWitobi> Wander:  the PHP command returns the right HTML...
[09:40] <macd> rhetoric, was that the right link, it looks the same as the old one
[09:40] <squarebracket> timfrost, macd: i think it's a firewall issue on ports other than 22. arg! thanks for the help, though :)
[09:40] <rhetoric> macd, yep lol i promise
[09:40] <ifireball> macd: how are you going about that then? ssh?
[09:40] <macd> rhetoric, yeah I see now
[09:40] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: have you installed libapache2-mod-php5? is it enabled in the apache configuration?
[09:41] <rhetoric> macd, trying to mount at that 10.* ip at least gives me connection refused...
[09:41] <macd> rhetoric, get someone to help you configure a static IP alias for eth0 on both boxes. then use those static IPs with NFS.
[09:41] <LordOfThePigs> once I have configured a wireless card with iwconfig, how do I start the actual connection?
[09:41] <ReaperWitobi> To the first:  Affirmative, to the second....
[09:41] <macd> rhetoric, but I really have to jet
[09:41] <macd> rhetoric, so good luck :)
[09:41] <wols_> LordOfThePigs: if you did it right it's already running
[09:41] <rhetoric> macd, thanks for your help
[09:41] <ifireball> rhetoric: i'll take over ;)
[09:41] <lesshaste_> is there an ubuntu package for pidgin otr 3.1?
[09:41] <rhetoric> ifireball you have those 2 pastebins?
[09:41] <rhetoric> ifireball, btw samba didnt work either
[09:42] <LetterRip> is there a known problem with processor on dual core processors?  Watching my processor usage the processors are being 'used' about the exact same - even though I have a task that should only be utilizing one processor with any sort of load
[09:42] <LetterRip> ie playback of a video
[09:42] <ifireball> rhetoric: no, can you re-post the links plz?
[09:42] <Wander_w> LordOfThePigs: pump -i <interfacenamelike eth1> to get an ip
[09:42] <LordOfThePigs> wols_: so there is no need to do anything special?
[09:42] <rhetoric> ifireball, (first) http://pastebin.ca/834585
[09:42] <rhetoric_> ifireball, http://pastebin.ca/834590
[09:42] <wols_> it is if you don't want to have to run iwconfig every time you boot
[09:43] <rhetoric> wols_, check those 2 links also
[09:43] <Wander_w> LetterRip: that's probably the linux scheduler shuffeling stuf around
[09:43] <ifireball> rhetoric: do you have pasts of "ifconfig" ?
[09:43] <lesshaste_> can I install the hardy heron package safely?
[09:43] <Buyydee> wols: thanks for your help yesterday, grub works fine now
[09:43] <rhetoric> ifireball, no but i can if you need it or i can tell you specifics in chan
[09:43] <rhetoric> ifireball, semi afk a sec smoking
[09:44] <LetterRip> Wander_w, hrrmmm that doesn't make sense
[09:44] <jxxxt> lesshaste, If you need to ask probably not...
[09:44] <Wander_w> LetterRip: you can probably stop it from doing that by doing: echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/sched_mc_power_savings
[09:44] <Wander_w> LetterRip: Why not?
[09:44] <wols_> Buyydee: it'S a bad solution to. cause next time you install a kernel it will break again until update-grub recognizes it
[09:44] <hello_man> I have a 'home video' encoded in the divx format, and I want to get it on a DVD to watch on a normal DVD player in the U.S.. How do I do this while maintaining quality?
[09:45] <LetterRip> Wander_w, i get 'permission denied'
[09:45] <LetterRip> even if i do it via sudo
[09:45] <ReaperWitobi> I doubt it's enabled, Wander - mostly because I have no Idea how to...
[09:45] <KalEl> you can get a dvd player to play divx for $25
[09:45] <Buyydee> wols: i was wondering, yes. setup (hd0,2) didn't recognise it, neither did update-grub
[09:46] <hello_man> KalEl: I would like to find a way other than spending $25.
[09:46] <ifireball> rhetoric: well, we need to figure out how to solve this, there are 2 ways of going about this: 1. have the machine talk with SSH over the internet, that would be slow but secure and rather easy to set up; 2. fix the networking so they talk through the HUB, that maybe a little more complicated to achieve, and may stop working if your ISP changes his config
[09:46] <rhetoric> ifireball, elaborate on the 2nd^^
[09:46] <dris> hi
[09:46] <wols_> Buyydee: setup (hd0,2) is installing grub
[09:46] <dris> hello guys
[09:46] <wols_> Buyydee: totally different thing
[09:47] <Buyydee> wols: ok, then i mixed this up
[09:47] <rhetoric> ifireball, if ISP changes config how
[09:47] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: there should be a symbolic link to a php config file in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[09:47] <hello_man> !dvd
[09:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:47] <rhetoric> ifireball, i could edit the fstab if i knew what to mount ><
[09:47] <wols_> doing a setup (hd0,2) could even have caused this cause now grub is installed on sda3's bootrecord which is bad
[09:47] <KalEl> HellDragon, ohi see, in that case you might want to install ffmpeg and dvdauthor
[09:47] <macd> rhetoric, before I leave here it is in a nutshell http://pastebin.ca/834597
[09:47] <macd> rhetoric, and thats some fast typing ;)
[09:47] <KalEl> k9copy should also do the job
[09:47] <ifireball> rhetoric: well, on the 2nd way, we do some terminal hacking to either assign your machines another set of IP addresses so they can speak among themselves, or setup static routes
[09:47] <wols_> if sda3 is windows, I'm sruprised windows is still booting with that
[09:48] <rhetoric> macd, aww thanks
[09:48] <KalEl> hello_man, here: http://www.burningbits.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3804
[09:48] <KalEl> sorry personally i like to have the files as compact as possible
[09:48] <hello_man> KalEl: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[09:48] <LetterRip> Wander_w, my processor is an AMD 64 x2 if that affects anything
[09:48] <KalEl> writing to a normal dvd inflates it like 1:5
[09:48] <rhetoric> macd, will i not be connected to the internet if i do that?
[09:49] <macd> rhetoric, you will, your just adding an alias to your ethernet card so that they can talk as if they are on a lan
[09:49] <bazhang> theteacher: you back?
[09:49] <KalEl> i did not mean any offense
[09:49] <rhetoric> macd, great that's what i need!
[09:49] <macd> rhetoric, but Im sure ifireball  knows what Im doing there and help you with it ;)
[09:49] <KalEl> apologies if i sounded rude
[09:49] <macd> take it easy.
[09:49] <Wander_w> LetterRip: Why do you want to prevent linux from scheduling jobs on multiple cores anyway?
[09:49] <rhetoric> macd, great thanks so very much, go before you are late for whatever it is :)
[09:50] <rhetoric> ifireball, did you see what he was talking about?
[09:50] <bazhang> !minimal | theteacher this is the best I can suggest right now--back later if you need help
[09:50] <ubotu> theteacher this is the best I can suggest right now--back later if you need help: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[09:50] <ifireball> rhetoric: yeah macd's way is essentially the 1st option of the 2nd way...
[09:50] <macd> ohhh rhetoric one more thing that paste is wrong auto eth0:1 inet static not eth0 ;)
[09:50] <LetterRip> Wander_w, I'd just like to kill the ridiculous amount of noise my fan is making under linux
[09:50] <rhetoric> ifireball, http://pastebin.ca/834597
[09:50] <rhetoric> macd, kk :)
[09:50] <ReaperWitobi> Wander: php5.conf?  What of it?
[09:50] <LetterRip> When I had vista installed I'd run in processor throttled mode that kept the fan off 99% of the time
[09:50] <ifireball> rhetoric: I'd rather not have you think networking on ubuntu is that hard though... ;)
[09:51] <Wander_w> LetterRip: uhm... then you are probably after the wrong problem
[09:51] <rhetoric> ifireball, as long as it gets done and is relatively stable, but it does seem like it would push away users less patient than myself
[09:51] <Buyydee> wols: i just tried sudo update-grub again, didn't recognise it. can you think of a reason for this? the device is readable in nautilus, ntfs formatted, sata-2
[09:51] <Wander_w> LetterRip: you should check if ondemand cpu governor is used
[09:51] <LetterRip> Wander_w, actually what I've read of the command you just pasted stated that that reduces power usage - ergo fan usage
[09:51] <rhetoric> ifireball, so explain what the 2nd option would be
[09:51] <Wander_w> LetterRip: yeah, but just a bit
[09:51] <rhetoric> ifireball static routes
[09:52] <ifireball> rhetoric: samba should've worked if it does on windows, maybe its the version difference
[09:52] <rhetoric> ifireball it seems like it would be the same problem as NFS no route to the other box
[09:52] <rhetoric> ifireball so it doesnt even see it
[09:52] <Wander_w> LetterRip: what does cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor say?
[09:52] <wols_> Buyydee: sorry, no
[09:53] <LetterRip> ondemand
[09:53] <Wander_w> LetterRip: thats good
[09:53] <Buyydee> wols: thanks for your effort, i'm going to ask again in the forums
[09:53] <Wander_w> LetterRip: are you on a laptop or on a desktop?
[09:53] <LetterRip> laptop
[09:53] <ifireball> rhetoric: setting up static routes means forcing the machines to acknowledge that they are on the same hubs despite IP addresses indicating otherwise, but that config is IP dependent and will break if your ISP changes your IPs
[09:53] <LetterRip> 'desktop replacement'
[09:53] <lesshaste_> can I install the hardy heron package safely on gibbon? I want pidgin-otr 3.1
[09:53] <Regel> lesshaste_, i think you can
[09:54] <rhetoric> ifireball could i fix that by using dyndns?
[09:54] <Arv3n> Hello.
[09:54] <davidwinter> in Firefox I accidently clicked the Hide Bookmark Menu and now I can't find anywhere to bring it back.
[09:54] <Wander_w> LetterRip: uhmm... try www.linuxpowertop.org and do the tips it suggests
[09:54] <Arv3n> Can I talk to someone regarding making my own distro?
[09:54] <davidwinter> any ideas?
[09:54] <lesshaste_> Regel, ok thanks
[09:54] <LetterRip> thanks
[09:54] <Regel> lesshaste_, you can always remove it if it doesnt work
[09:54] <rhetoric> ifireball it seems like macd's way is easier and more stable
[09:54] <ifireball> rhetoric: no, dyndns is kinda like doing it the 1st way I talked about e.g. via the internet
[09:54] <KalEl> davidwinter, view->toolbar->bookmarks?
[09:55] <lesshaste_> Regel, true that
[09:55] <theteacher> bazhang, thx. i'll try it. i'm not going anywhere.
[09:55] <Arv3n> davidwinter, or just right click the top --> bookmarks toolbar
[09:55] <davidwinter> KalEl: it's not the toolbar, but the actual menu drop down
[09:55] <Arv3n> Is anyone experience in making a distro?
[09:55] <ReaperWitobi> Wander:  I've got a php5.conf, and a php3.load... but I have no way to ensure that they are correctly configured...
[09:55] <Arv3n> *experienced
[09:55] <ifireball> rhetoric: indeed, macd's way is best long-tern speaking so try setting that up (and dont forget it sould be eth0:1 on lines 05 and 11
[09:56] <ReaperWitobi> *php5.load
[09:56] <scguy318> Arv3n: I'm as clueless as you are, but take a look at Linux from Scratch
[09:56] <Arv3n> scguy318, I'm wanting to start my own company in the future.
[09:56] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: uhm.. php3 is OLD I'd delete it (apt-get remove --purge php3) if I were you
[09:56] <Arv3n> scguy310, that would be more difficult than it's worth, I'm thinking of making it based on Ubuntu.
[09:56] <Arv3n> Maybe Debian.
[09:57] <ReaperWitobi> Haha, no, it was a typo
[09:57] <rhetoric> ifireball, right now my /etc/network/interfaces has 2 lines "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" is that right?
[09:57] <scguy318> Arv3n: unfortunately, I'm kinda clueless in the area, but the Linux from Scratch project has docs and such
[09:57] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: hehe, ok
[09:57] <scguy318> Arv3n: might be worth reading, its 4 AM CST, so the smarter people are sleeping
[09:57] <myke54142> LFS Is good
[09:57] <myke54142> i made my own distro with that
[09:57] <Arv3n> hm.
[09:57] <Arv3n> well.
[09:57] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: uhm.. then try this as a script: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[09:57] <Arv3n> myke54142, define own distro.
[09:58] <Wander_w> scguy318: it's 11 am over here
[09:58] <Arv3n> Wander_w, 5am here.
[09:58] <ifireball> rhetoric: that sounds right assuming you're using network manager, add his lines to the end, but don't forget to add blank lines before and after
[09:59] <rhetoric> ifireball i copy what he gave me *exactly* or...? and what is the change on lines 5 and 11
[09:59] <tsendrdj> sdfsdf
[09:59] <scguy318> Wander_w: cool, somewhere in Europe?
[09:59] <ifireball> rhetoric: change 05 and 11
[09:59] <Buyydee> <-- spain
[09:59] <Wander_w> Arv3n: myke54142 probably used the Linux From Scratch documents and HOWTO's to compile his own distro from scratch... pretty cool to do that, if you have the time
[09:59] <ifireball> rhetoric: put eth0:1 rather then just eth0
[09:59] <Buyydee> scguy, why do you ask?
[10:00] <rhetoric> ok and i put BOX1 and BOX2 in the file on both BOX1 and BOX2?
[10:00] <scguy318> Buyydee: I was actually addressing Wander_w, and I was wondering as to her timezone
[10:00] <Wander_w> scguy318: The netherlands (yeah that place where weed is legal)
[10:00] <scguy318> *his/her
[10:00] <Buyydee> scguy: sry, now i get it :D
[10:00] <scguy318> Wander_w: lol, imperialist America here :P
[10:00] <Wander_w> his
[10:00] <rhetoric> ifireball, ok and i put BOX1 and BOX2 in the file on both BOX1 and BOX2? and do i replace BOX1 and BOX2 with the hostnames?
[10:00] <scguy318> Wander_w: ah
[10:00] <evan__> why must i reinstall my nvidia driver every time i reboot?
[10:00] <ifireball> rhetoric: no, the 4 lines beneath "BOX 1" on one on the machines the other 4 lines on the other
[10:00] <ReaperWitobi> Wander:  Nothing.
[10:01] <Wander_w> scguy318: Wanna buy a morgage? :P
[10:01] <Wander_w> scguy318: some healthcare maybe?
[10:01] <rhetoric> ifireball, ok i thought so, thanks for clarification :)
[10:01] <Wander_w> scguy318: Broadband?
[10:01] <Wander_w> I'll stop the teasing now :)
[10:01] <scguy318> Wander_w: lol, I'm not making any sort of money yet :P
[10:02] <rhetoric> ifireball, i think i've finally wrapped my head around this :) maybe i could even write scripts for other noobs lol
[10:02] <myke54142> arv3n, custom image for a hardened X terminal that ran on very minimal hardware (486/25 with 12M)
[10:02] <ifireball> tell me wne you got past the "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" step on one of the machines
[10:02] <scguy318> Wander_w: but broadband service is indeed very retarded in the US, telecom monopoly and all
[10:02] <ifireball> tell me once you got past the "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" step on one of the machines
[10:02] <rhetoric> ifireball, will do. gonna start now
[10:02] <starshoot> bonjour a tous
[10:02] <scguy318> bonjour, starshoot
[10:02] <scguy318> !fr | starshoot
[10:02] <ubotu> starshoot: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:03] <Wander_w> scguy318: I got 4mbit/s plus unlimited telephone for 50 dollar a month
[10:03] <ifireball> rhetoric: don't do this on both machines at once, you might lose connectivity and then we won't be able to talk...
[10:04] <rhetoric> ifireball, hehe yea im going to do it on the laptop first
[10:04] <Wander_w> scguy318: but I kinda live in the fucking middle of nowhere, so the 20 mbit/s packages for 30 dollar a month are unavailable :(
[10:04] <scguy318> Wander_w: I think I get around 5 Mbit/s for about that same price
[10:04] <scguy318> Wander_w: :(
[10:04] <ifireball> rhetoric: ok.
[10:04]  * frederick85 is wondering how to make glmatrix as his wallpaper in xfce4
[10:04] <scguy318> Wander_w: for telephony I use some cheapo VoIP
[10:05] <rhetoric> ifireball, once i give a static IP to that box i should be able to mount it from this one right?
[10:05] <Wander_w> scguy318: you run your own voip system?
[10:05] <scguy318> Wander_w: no, I pay a VoIP provider
[10:05] <frederick85> anybody know how to make a screensaver run as wallpaper in xfce4
[10:05] <Wander_w> scguy318: ah, that is included in my package
[10:05] <scguy318> Wander_w: would be nice to know how tho :)
[10:05] <ifireball> rhetoric: no, you need to get the right IPs on both boxes 1st, then we'll test it with ping and only then we can start talking about mounting
[10:05] <Wander_w> scguy318: uhm.. I beleive asterisks is what you want then
[10:06] <myke54142> at home i have 7mbit, on 26.4 dialup right now tho
[10:06] <rhetoric> ifireball, gotcha
[10:06] <scguy318> Wander_w: yeah, probably
[10:06] <Wander_w> myke54142: DIALUP? what! are you from the stoneage? :P
[10:06] <ifireball> rhetoric: I suppose we'll also setup hostnames in /etc/hosts so the config will be more eye-friendly
[10:07] <Myrtti> myke54142: I'm on dialup too... Mobile 3G dialup
[10:07] <rhetoric> ifireball you mean so it's hostname instead of 10.*? who cares? :)
[10:07] <scguy318> Wander_w: he might be in the middle of nowhere too :P
[10:07] <rhetoric> ifireball, we've come this far lol
[10:07] <ifireball> rhetoric: I do :P
[10:07] <myke54142> yeah i'm in the middle of nowhere
[10:07] <Wander_w> scguy318: so? doesn't he get POTS then?
[10:07] <myke54142> so is home but it's in town in the middle of nowhere
[10:07] <rhetoric> ifireball, ok :) at least i'll learn something. one sec doing changes on laptop
[10:07] <scguy318> Wander_w: thus dialup :)
[10:07] <ifireball> rhetoric: It'll make diagnosing stuff that much easier
[10:07] <scguy318> Wander_w: 56k is pushing theoretical max anyway, actual throughput is prob what myke's getting
[10:07] <ReaperWitobi> Wander:  Is there anything in particular I'm looking for?  When I load it in a browser, it does nothing, but again it returns perfectly via comandline.
[10:08] <Wander_w> scguy318: nearly all POTS is ASDL connected here, around 99%+ I guess
[10:08] <neopsych1> how can i create a divx / xvid from only VOB files? video_ts info missing.
[10:09] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: then it's pretty safe to say that you php configuration is fubarred
[10:09] <wols_> neopsych1: a vob file is just a mpeg2
[10:09] <ReaperWitobi> Ugh.
[10:09] <scguy318> Wander_w: ah
[10:09] <scguy318> Wander_w: some rural areas are constrained to dial-up, though probably the more populous areas have the option of ADSL
[10:10] <Wander_w> ReaperWitobi: I can't tell from over here what exactly is wrong, but you might try reinstalling apache and php
[10:10] <ReaperWitobi> Ugh.
[10:10] <ReaperWitobi> Aight.
[10:11] <Filled-Void> Could anyone tell me how to get conky to work with the script I have from gnome-look.org .
[10:11] <gingersnap> how do you open an executeable with the help flag?
[10:11] <rhetoric> ifireball, hmm there is a 3rd line on my feisty box "iface eth1 inet dhcp" that is NOT on the gutsy box what gives?
[10:11] <cbx33> where does software raid store it's configuration??
[10:11] <neopsych1> how do i change ports on Evolution?
[10:11] <wols_> ReaperWitobi: dpkg -l |grep php
[10:11] <Wander_w> cbx33: If I recall correctly; in the partition table
[10:12] <cbx33> cool
[10:12] <rhetoric> ifireball, OH my stupid wireless that doesnt work so i just use eth2 then?
[10:12] <cbx33> just about to forray into it all for the first time
[10:12] <wols_> Wander_w: and where would it store anything there?
[10:12] <cbx33> ;)
[10:12] <ifireball> rhetoric: its because gusty relies more heavily on network manager then feisty did, it doesn't matter
[10:12] <Wander_w> cbx33: and there probably is a configuarion file for initialisation in /etc
[10:13] <wols_> note: a partitiontable has 16 bytes per partition
[10:13] <cbx33> there is, but it can do it all automatically
[10:13] <cbx33> without the mdadm file
[10:13] <rhetoric> ifireball, i think it's because both have a default interface that isnt even listed in /etc/interfaces maybe?
[10:13] <ifireball> rhetoric: but just to make sure let me have a look at the ifconfig output plz; I take it the gusty IP is already setup?
[10:13] <wols_> cbx33: most likely initrd scripts
[10:13] <cbx33> nope
[10:13] <evan__> hey , everytime i boot i need to reinstall my video driver ( nvidia 169.07 ) why does it load vesa all the time???
[10:13] <Wander_w> cbx33: yeah, could allso be in a magic sequence of bytes at the start of each partition
[10:13] <cbx33> possibly
[10:13] <evan__> i think becasue it does someting weird with xgl http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49781/
[10:13] <cbx33> yeh
[10:14] <rhetoric> ifireball, no i was going to do it on the feisty laptop, when i saw the 3rd line in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:14] <cbx33> well off to try
[10:14] <wols_> evan__: ask nvidia.com they installed it. not ubuntu
[10:14] <evan__> wols_ nvidia doesnt help ubunu users
[10:14] <roman_> co mówisz?
[10:14] <ifireball> rhetoric: what is the interface its actually using?
[10:14] <evan__> wols_ its in there irc channel
[10:14] <wols_> evan__: well, you certainly didn't install the drivers from ubuntu, that's for sure
[10:14] <Wander_w> evan__: if you have a fresh boot, is the nvidia module listed in lsmod?
[10:14] <ifireball> rhetoric: (did you paste ifconfig somewhere?)
[10:14] <rhetoric> ifireball, i think it's because the laptop has both wireless and hardwired internet
[10:14] <gingersnap> how do you open an exe with the help flag?
[10:15] <rhetoric> ifireball i can gimme a sec
[10:15] <roman_> I don't know
[10:15] <Wander_w> gingersnap: open a terminal; type ./theexecutable --help
[10:15] <wols_> evan__: "try to use your distribution's driver packages". follow their advice
[10:15] <gingersnap> thank you
[10:15] <meshuggahaddict> hello everyone wonderful morning inst it
[10:15] <KalEl> #nvidia: "Ubuntu kernel module problem? Ask in #ubuntu!"
[10:15] <rhetoric> ifireball, yea on the laptop eth0 is wireless, eth1 is wired (hence the line in /etc/interfaces it seems that eth0 is never listed?)
[10:15] <meshuggahaddict> anybody have any comments about the XFX brand of video cards
[10:15] <roman_> bit dimm
[10:16] <wols_> meshuggahaddict: ##hardware
[10:16] <KalEl> (the exclamation sign is actually not there, i added it for the effect)
[10:16] <evan__> Wander_w : it is now ill ty a fresh reboot now brb
[10:16] <Wander_w> meshuggahaddict: They make videocards?
[10:16] <rhetoric> ifireball, so what will the entry be for the static ip, if eth1 is the wired connection im using
[10:16] <frederick85> is there some way to automatically generate a new xorg.conf file from the default ubuntu settings
[10:16] <frederick85> I installed from minimal boot and didn't have the same one
[10:16] <meshuggahaddict> yes they do and they seem to be pretty good\
[10:17] <wols_> frederick85: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[10:17] <Wander_w> frederick85: maybe there is a .bak file?
[10:17] <ifireball> rhetoric: you should put "eth1:1" rather then "eth0:1" in the static lines
[10:17] <rhetoric> ifireball, will it be eth1:1?
[10:17] <rhetoric> ifireball, yay! i was right
[10:17] <Wander_w> frederick85: ignore me, listen to wols_ :)
[10:17] <wols_> frederick85: there are /etc/X11/xorg.conf* files where * is datetime
[10:17] <meshuggahaddict> I'm just woundering because i have some open GL issues with my card i have right now
[10:17] <ifireball> rhetoric: don't forget the blank lines before and after, they are important
[10:17] <wols_> meshuggahaddict: is it a software or hardware problem? and is the OS you run ubuntu?
[10:17] <edis6n> hey guys, i configured my diamondback mouse right now and did a reboot, its quite fast and stuff but how can i test it? how can i see the hz its using? or the dpi its using?
[10:18] <meshuggahaddict> yes 7.10
[10:18] <meshuggahaddict> i believe it is hardware, it is an old card
[10:18] <ifireball> rhetoric: I don't want you losing connectivity because of syntax errors in the file...
[10:18] <wols_> what is the problem?
[10:19] <meshuggahaddict> it used to lock up on 6 and now it seems that the polys skins are wrong color and image
[10:19] <rhetoric> ifireball, is there a blank line between each entry?
[10:19] <wols_> sounds like hardware, so OT here
[10:19] <ifireball> rhetoric: no, just before and after the 4-line clause
[10:19] <meshuggahaddict> thats what i thought, its an ATI 8500
[10:19] <rhetoric> ifireball, that's what i meant, between each interface right?
[10:20] <ifireball> rhetoric: yes.
[10:20] <rhetoric> so between the 2 "lo" lines and the eth1 line, then between that and my 4 new lines
[10:20] <ifireball> rhetoric: yes.
[10:20] <rhetoric> k restarting
[10:21] <lesshaste_> I don't know if something has broken on my system but can anyone play ftp://ftp.aduni.org/videos/11_lect_02.rm
[10:21] <rhetoric> ifireball, it's trying to release <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[10:21] <rhetoric> ifireball, and it failed and fell back on it, lemme pastebin
[10:21] <ifireball> rhetoric: that's ok its reconfiguring eth1
[10:22] <edis6n> is there no chance to check my mouse polling rate?!
[10:23] <edis6n> or just the dpi ?
[10:23] <ifireball> rhetoric: if you can still connect from that machine we should be ok
[10:23] <rhetoric_> ifireball: http://pastebin.ca/834620
[10:23] <rhetoric> ifireball, i kinda see what happened, but i dont understand why
[10:23] <frederick85> how do I enable 3d mode for intel driver
[10:23] <evan__> hey i rebooted and nvidia was not in lsmod i did "modprobe nvidia" and it came in lsmod but i still aint got the driver working
[10:24] <Wander_w> evan__: ok, so now you might have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:24] <ifireball> rhetoric: essentially your ISP didn't accept the release packet, it doesn't matter you got the IP back anyway, lets see how your "ifconfig" looks now
[10:24] <AliTarihi> Hi! everybody. I have a problem with the Nvidia driver.
[10:25] <rhetoric> ifireball, exactly the same :(
[10:25] <Wander_w> evan__: look for a Driver line