[10:43]  * Chipaca brb
[11:56] <cachio> zyga, hey
[11:56] <cachio> I have the mount-ns test failing on bionic
[11:57] <cachio> I have a debug session opened
[11:57] <cachio> it fails with the latest changes on bionic
[11:57] <cachio> after I update the image
[12:00] <Chipaca> cachio: it's 4am in zyga-land
[12:00] <Chipaca> cachio: (he's in gmt-8)
[12:01] <cachio> Chipaca, ahhhh
[12:01] <cachio> Chipaca, I forgot :)
[12:01] <cachio> thanks for remember me that
[12:02] <Chipaca> cachio: you're the early bird, for once :)
[12:02] <cachio> heheheh
[12:02] <cachio> yesssss
[14:09] <Chipaca> popey: you around?
[14:09] <popey> hello
[14:10] <Chipaca> popey: I'm going to a conference in a couple of weeks and they just asked me if I could take swag. Do you know who I could ask?
[14:10] <popey> clan
[14:10] <Chipaca> popey: ok, thanks
[14:14] <popey> np
[14:19] <ijohnson> hey oSoMoN, is there any way you can provide me access to old chromium snap versions? If you have access to 78.0.3904.70 as a snap so I can compare with the deb directly that would be great. (the snap currently is at 78.0.3904.97)
[14:21] <oSoMoN> ijohnson, what do you need to test?
[14:21] <ijohnson> I'm looking at startup performance, and I want to rule out different chromium versions "acting differently"
[14:22] <ijohnson> but if you can say confidently that there's no real difference between those two versions I'm ok with that too
[14:24] <oSoMoN> ijohnson, well the .97 snap is smaller than .70 by ~5MB, I trimmed down unused files, but I don't expect that would make a noticeable difference
[14:24] <oSoMoN> (in startup time, that is)
[14:25] <ijohnson> oSoMoN: ok, so the only difference is in missing files? were those files being executed at all by the launcher script in .70?
[14:26] <oSoMoN> no, they were unused files from stage packages
[14:27] <ijohnson> okay, great thanks for clarifying. I will continue with my tests just using the deb on disco vs the snap
[14:30] <oSoMoN> ijohnson, cool, please share your results on bug #1847069
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1847069: [snap] Chromium snap starts slowly <snap> <chromium-browser (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847069>
[14:31] <ijohnson> oSoMoN, sure I can provide info there too, I was firstly just going to post on the snapcraft forum though, as a followup to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/squashfs-performance-effect-on-snap-startup-time/13920
[14:31] <ijohnson> might be after vancouver though FYI
[14:33] <oSoMoN> yeah, the forum is fine too
[14:45]  * cachio lunch
[15:51] <zyga> Chipaca: morning
[15:51] <zyga> I prepared some machines for you in case you needed that arm system
[15:52] <zyga> cachio: my laptop is not working (atta way to start a sprint) but open a bug with the logs please
[15:53] <zyga> It would help to know which packages changed
[15:55] <zyga> Chipaca: let me know if you still need hardware access and I’ll get you an account as soon as I can use my computer again
[15:57] <Chipaca> zyga: I don't need hardware access, thank you
[15:57] <Chipaca> zyga: not this month anyway
[15:57] <Chipaca> zyga: good morning! how's the jetlag?
[15:59] <zyga> Chipaca: terrible, I didn’t sleep at all
[16:00] <Chipaca> zyga: :-(
[16:36] <cachio> zyga, I'll do it
[16:36] <cachio> once I am back from the doctor
[16:42]  * cachio afk - doctor
[16:56]  * Chipaca afk
[18:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#2796 opened: meta: ensure Snap's `assumes` is initialized as a set <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2796>
[20:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#2678 closed: cli: introduce --provider <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2678>
[23:16] <mup> PR snapd#7728 opened: cmd: implement snap run --explain <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7728>
[23:18]  * zyga solicits feedback for snap run --explain https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R9gNjltq/
[23:27] <mup> PR snapd#7729 opened: cmd: fix a pair of typos <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7729>


[12:06] <knome> madnick, !!!!!!
[12:39] <madnick> knome: !!!!
[12:39] <knome> madnick, where's the lightdm and plymouth code?
[12:39] <knome> madnick, and the lightdm settings gui
[12:40] <madnick> 1 sec
[12:43] <knome> i suppose it would be helpul if you could set up a repository in launchpad for those so mr_pouit could access it easily
[12:43] <madnick> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~madnick/lightdm.tar.gz
[12:43] <madnick> yes
[12:44] <madnick> ill set it up
[12:44] <knome> thanks a lot
[12:44] <knome> is there something that is not functioning?
[12:44] <madnick> tho i have to tell you
[12:45] <madnick> The plymouth stuff, if deadline is now, will only be some bug fixes
[12:45] <knome> i suppose that's okay, it wasn't bad last time either
[12:45] <knome> we just need to change the wall
[12:45] <knome> let's concentrate on the lightdm stuff then
[12:46] <madnick> yes, and also the lightdm config thing has some hardcoded stuff i will swap out
[12:46] <madnick> which is like 10 lines of code tho
[12:46] <knome> yes, we can still apply bug fixes after FF
[12:46] <madnick> so it can be done now
[12:46] <madnick> oh okay
[12:46] <madnick> goodie
[12:46] <knome> but we need the feature to be uploaded
[12:46] <madnick> its today right?
[12:47] <knome> no, thu
[12:47] <madnick> iirc
[12:47] <madnick> oh sweet
[12:47] <knome> so two days
[12:47] <knome> but mr_pouit needs time
[12:47] <madnick> yes
[12:47] <knome> so let's try to upload asap
[12:47] <knome> and then get on with the bugfixes
[12:47] <madnick> i will get it up today, and then just get on wit
[12:47] <madnick> yes
[12:47] <knome> and once we get the lightdm settings GUI installed, i can get on with the translations for it
[12:47] <madnick> sweet
[12:48] <knome> i set the plymouth theme as done, but the mastermind to postponed
[12:48] <madnick> okay
[12:49] <madnick> i really wish i wouldve had more time to workon this stuff
[12:49] <knome> well yeah, we all have to win the bread too
[12:49] <madnick> yeah that is the curse :(
[12:50] <knome> so could you push the code for the three things to bzr like, now? ;)
[12:51] <madnick> as soon as i locate my key hehe
[12:52] <knome> sure ;)
[14:20] <knome> madnick, !! :P
[14:24] <madnick> knome: i am reading about creating a new key, i already made one, but it was not in vbox, whjere my code is, so i need to redo it, or move it :) then i need to setup bzr
[14:25] <knome> heh
[14:25] <madnick> Its a new install, thus the problems :(
[14:27] <knome> yeah
[14:43] <knome> i got to go now
[14:44] <knome> i'll be back later
[14:44] <knome> ask mr_pouit if you need something
[14:44] <knome> madnick, ^
[14:48] <madnick> :)
[16:38] <madnick> okay
[16:38] <madnick> created the stuff
[16:38] <madnick> now time for sleep
[16:38] <madnick> :)
[16:46] <madnick> oops
[16:46] <madnick> forgot to commit
[16:48] <madnick> now sleep :)
[19:30] <pleia2> http://linuxlibrary.org/reviews/xubuntu-11-10-review/
[19:30] <pleia2> (added to /press)
[19:31]  * knome wonders if we should tweet all the articles we found
[19:32] <pleia2> maybe, I don't know if I can sustain that though (blog posts and meetings, ok, more than that...)
[19:32] <knome> maybe we can share the password
[19:32] <pleia2> yes, if there is someone else who wants to help, please :)
[19:33] <knome> and if you ping the channel or change the press page anyway, i can just tweet
[21:21]  * ochosi tested greybird with gnome3 today, it actually works and looks ok
[21:22] <ochosi> maybe i'll check what is needed for proper gnome-shell support
[21:22] <nanotube> knome: tweet, wazzat? is that similar to irc? *_* :)
[21:23] <knome> nanotube, :P
[22:42] <knome> madnick, !!!!!! :P


[04:25] <iflema> hello 2 all....
[11:35] <doctormo> How would I go about making some help pages for my project, should I want to make a help button that opens up the nautilus help pages at a certain page?
[11:35] <doctormo> Or should I just open up my own UI with some simple text (easier for me)


[09:16] <jamespage> morning folks
[09:22] <jamespage> gnuoy, need something brainless todo this morning so working through http://pad.ubuntu.com/tox-charm-landings
[09:23] <gnuoy> jamespage, ok, enjoy!
[09:53] <Prabakaran> Hello Team,
[09:55] <Prabakaran> I have created new bug for my charm and after linking bug id to the trunk branch in the lauchpad i am not able to see my charm in the review queue. Could you please advise on the same?
[16:40] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, I have created new bug for my charm and after linking bug id to the trunk branch in the lauchpad i am not able to see my charm in the review queue. Could you please advise on the same?
[16:47] <lazypower> Prabakaran : How long ago did you submit?
[16:49] <lazypower> Prabakaran : Can you link me ot your branch you're submitting?
[16:51] <Odd_Bloke> I'm seeing strange behaviour when running one of my hooks in debug-hooks; it looks like an exception that is caught in normal operation (and when I pdb through the code in debug-hooks!) is not being caught...
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> Ohhhh, no I'm not, I'm seeing the output come out.
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> OK, that's unexpected but otherwise fine.
[17:26] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke well, glad it was self resolving
[17:27] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke but that smells of a race condition when a pdb() fixes it where normal hook execution tanks
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: It was really user error; I was seeing stderr from a failed subprocess call, but not the stdout from a subsequent successful one (because it was captured, I now realise :p).
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: So I incorrectly inferred the latter hadn't happened.
[17:43] <Odd_Bloke> I'm looking at the Jenkins charm: you can configure it with an admin password, or it can generate one for you.
[17:43] <Odd_Bloke> However, it doesn't store the generated password as config, which means that when it tries to push configuration out to extension relations, they get an empty password.
[17:44] <Odd_Bloke> (Making it impossible for them to connect to Jenkins to do anything)
[17:44] <Odd_Bloke> Is the correct way of handling this for the charm to write to the place that hookenv.config(...) pulls from, or...?
[17:46] <Odd_Bloke> (The problem here being that the password gets salted before writing, so pulling it out of the file it's written to won't work)
[17:47] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: (^ ?)
[17:48] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke it should use unitdata.kv
[17:48] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke if the config password is empty, read the generated key from unitdata, and pass that along the wire
[17:51] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, sigh, of course charm-helpers in the charm is too old.
[18:22] <Prabakaran> I have submitted my charm last week thursday. And my charm branch link is "https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-platform-rtm/trunk"
[18:23] <Prabakaran> https://code.launchpad.net/~ibmcharmers/charms/trusty/ibm-platform-rtm/trunk


[04:29] <bschaefer> e
[09:42] <MCR1> didrocks: Hi :) Is it okay to add bug reports here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-unity-polish ?
[09:43] <MCR1> om26er: Hi :) Do you have a minute to reproduce and confirm a Compiz bug (easy to reproduce) ?
[09:43] <didrocks> MCR1: do you want to fix them?
[09:43] <om26er> MCR1, sure
[09:44] <om26er> hope it doesn't involve any compiling ;)
[09:44] <MCR1> didrocks: Sure, but I might fail with some of them - but it is also because of the papercuts project, which needs targets...
[09:44] <didrocks> mmrazik: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/xpathselect/copyright/+merge/136883
[09:44] <didrocks> MCR1: so please don't add them
[09:44] <MCR1> om26er: Nope.
[09:44] <didrocks> MCR1: maybe youneed another blueprint
[09:44] <didrocks> MCR1: but those are the ones we commit to fix in the cycle
[09:45] <mmrazik> didrocks: so canonical prefers gpl3?
[09:45] <MCR1> didrocks: But important ones are really missing in this list
[09:45] <om26er> if a person has teeth outwards and triages bugs one could call him Bugs Bunny ^^ :D
[09:46] <didrocks> mmrazik: gpl3 or gpl2, but there is no sense to have 2 stenzas, one for upstream, one for the packaging
[09:46] <didrocks> mmrazik: and it should be copyright canonical anyway, not one any one's name
[09:46] <MCR1> om26er: It is this one: bug 1082001
[09:46] <mmrazik> didrocks: understood
[09:46] <didrocks> MCR1: well, important are relative :)
[09:47] <MCR1> didrocks: Windows jumping around from workspace to workspace ?
[09:47] <mmrazik> lets see if the autolanding works :)
[09:47] <MCR1> bug 1082001
[09:47] <MCR1> grmpf, what is wrong - no bot ?
[09:47] <MCR1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1082001
[09:47] <MCR1> om26er: ^^
[09:48] <om26er> MCR1, what could one do if they don't have numpad ?
[09:48] <didrocks> mmrazik: I had a double stenza, just pushed rev 25 and reapproved
[09:48] <MCR1> om26er: Then you might have to change the grid keyconfig in CCSM
[09:49] <didrocks> MCR1: this is an opportunity, but if you look at the list, we have way more important bugs to tackle first :)
[09:50] <mmrazik> didrocks: FYI (still in progress): http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-unity-autopilot-raring/35/
[09:50] <mmrazik> didrocks: I'll just need few more runs as build #34 had quite a bit of failures on nvidia (~10%)
[09:50] <mmrazik> #35 seems to be ok
[09:50] <didrocks> mmrazik: ok, great! :)
[09:51] <mmrazik> didrocks: the failures from yesterday were a bug in our preseed (coming with the binary nvidia driver changes)
[09:51] <mmrazik> dist-upgrade failed so the stuff from staging ppa wasn't installed
[09:51] <didrocks> ah great ;)
[09:51] <didrocks> so, let's cross fingers now
[09:52] <om26er> MCR1, yeah, the window hides from the spread for me
[09:52] <MCR1> didrocks: Do not misunderstand me, I just was asked by notgary to help with identifying valid Compiz/Unity bugs...
[09:52] <om26er> MCR1, but when i get back to the workspace the window reappears
[09:52] <didrocks> MCR1: no worry ;)
[09:54] <MCR1> om26er: The "keyboard-gridded" window should stay on the workspace it is, but it will follow the second window if you move it on another workspace ?
[09:54] <MCR1> which is quite nasty behavior isn't it ?
[09:55] <om26er> MCR1, yes, confirmed that as well
[09:55] <om26er> MCR1, i am marking bug as confirmed
[09:56] <MCR1> I think we should eliminate bugs like this, which move windows around without the user wanting it as those make Compiz feel really buggy
[09:56] <MCR1> om26er: Thanks 4 testing.
[09:57] <om26er> MCR1, i would rather love to see spread re-written, its full of all kinds of troubles ;)
[09:58] <MCR1> om26er: A lot of trouble comes from wrong grid behavior...
[09:59] <MCR1> om26er: For example this one is also tightly related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1081601
[10:00] <om26er> MCR1, I fully agree grid is broken as well :/
[10:00] <MCR1> here Grid holds the window in its place and does not let it leave...
[10:00] <MCR1> om26er: What are the spread troubles ?
[10:03] <om26er> MCR1, there is a list, first the overall look of it, doesn't match well with unity's overall design, then there are a few features from different shells that would make it usable (tm)
[10:08] <MCR1> om26er: If you are on it, please confirm this one also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1081601
[10:08]  * om26er looks
[10:08] <MCR1> thx
[10:14] <MCR1> om26er: You are running Unity from the staging PPA ?
[10:14] <om26er> MCR1, yes I am and i have still not tested the above bug, got sidetracked, now testing
[10:15] <MCR1> :)
[10:17] <om26er> MCR1, compiz-plugins-extras not installable in staging ppa ?
[10:18] <MCR1> om26er: you do not need them, we now just have compiz-plugins
[10:18] <MCR1> showdesktop should be there
[10:19] <om26er> compiz-plugins-extras depends compiz-plugins which is not installable :p
[10:19] <MCR1> one moment
[10:20] <MCR1> you just need compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-default
[10:20] <MCR1> simply remove all the old metapackages
[10:21] <MCR1> aehm "transitional dummy packages"
[10:21] <MCR1> om26er: Got it ?
[10:22] <om26er> MCR1, there are a few updates installing, let me try after that. (almost one)
[10:22] <om26er> *done
[10:23] <om26er> MCR1, i am just purging the ppa
[10:23] <MCR1> ouch
[10:31] <om26er> MCR1, just so that i am sure, enabling show desktop asks me to disable unity plugin
[10:32] <om26er> is that fine?
[10:32] <MCR1> no, just fadedesktop should tell you that - I think didrocks removed my patch from Quantal - so you need the staging PPA
[10:33] <didrocks> yep :)
[10:34] <MCR1> it is just another manifestation of the same Grid bug we tested before...
[10:35] <MCR1> namely keyboard-shortcut resized Grid windows acting crazy... :(
[11:51] <MCR1> didrocks: So if I understand you correctly, I can add those to the Compiz/Unity blueprint I am able to fix in this cycle ?
[11:51] <didrocks> MCR1: right, with your launchpad name in front, like [yourname]
[11:51] <didrocks> MCR1: or assigned to the bug if you link a bug
[11:51] <MCR1> ok
[12:22] <mmrazik> didrocks: interesting... build #36 is clean-ish even on intel:
[12:22] <mmrazik> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-unity-autopilot-raring/36/
[12:25] <didrocks> mmrazik: weird, we good an issue with appmenu-gtk, but I don't think it's what impacted you
[12:25] <didrocks> mmrazik: so, thumper landed a big branch in trunk
[12:26] <didrocks> mmrazik: is it with that one?
[12:26] <didrocks> he basically removed a lot of bamf relationship
[12:26] <mmrazik> didrocks: do you know which revision is the thumper's merge?
[12:26] <mmrazik> wel... I can find out myself..
[12:27] <mmrazik> didrocks: build #36 is with 6.12.0bzr2936pkg0raring0  which is prior thumper's changes
[12:28] <didrocks> ok, so it's not that one
[12:28] <didrocks> mmrazik: seeing how big this merge is, I would prefer that we rerun with it btw
[12:29] <didrocks> btw i386?
[12:29] <mmrazik> didrocks: running already
[12:29] <mmrazik> didrocks: yes
[12:30] <didrocks> mmrazik: great!
[12:30] <didrocks> let's see how it goes :)
[14:10] <mmrazik> didrocks, fginther: Run including Tim's changes: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-unity-autopilot-raring/37/
[14:10] <mmrazik> I wonder where the nvidia failures disappear
[14:10] <mmrazik> ed
[14:12] <didrocks> mmrazik: proprieratery driver, right?
[14:12] <didrocks> isn't what the failure was about without them?
[14:13] <didrocks> sil2100: how is it going on the armhf front? Seems it's the latest blocker
[14:13] <mmrazik> didrocks: yes... but #34 also had  a binary driver and for some reason there were about ~50 failures
[14:13] <mmrazik> its really hard to figure out stuff if there are so many variables :-/
[14:13] <mmrazik> the joy of system level testing
[14:13]  * mmrazik would never say he will be worried when a fail rate drops
[14:14] <didrocks> mmrazik: right, I guess at least, we don't jump from 20 to 100
[14:15] <didrocks> mmrazik: so, once the armhf thing is fixed, I guess we can try to do the whole stack for trying, without uploading
[14:15] <didrocks> mmrazik: with all the jobs chained
[14:15] <didrocks> wdyt?
[14:15] <mmrazik> didrocks: +1
[14:15] <didrocks> sweetness ;) let's wait for sil2100's status
[14:16] <mmrazik> didrocks: we will need to change the staging ppa to something else, right?
[14:16] <didrocks> mmrazik: right ~ubuntu-unity/daily-build
[14:16] <didrocks> mmrazik: and you can consider I only launch the job when i386 is published
[14:16] <didrocks> let's see if jibel is available
[14:33] <sil2100> didrocks: almost done, testing the modifications on my pandaboard, and this sadly takes some time to compile on this platform ;/
[14:34] <didrocks> sil2100: good to know that you have good progress! :)
[14:40] <mmrazik> sil2100: out of curiosity... how much time do you need to compile unity on panda?
[14:40] <mmrazik> do you have numbers for compiz too?
[14:43] <sil2100> mmrazik: don't have the numbers, but I can count the build time right now
[14:43] <sil2100> mmrazik: for unity
[14:43] <mmrazik> sil2100: thx
[14:43] <sil2100> mmrazik: but it takes rather a lot
[14:44] <mmrazik> sil2100: like 1h or more like 6h?
[14:56] <sil2100> mmrazik: I think more like around 2 hours
[16:35] <didrocks> sil2100: how is it going? good news?
[18:31] <didrocks> bregma: hey, if you have access to the oif daily recipe, maybe it's time to kill them? (and remove the spam ;))
[18:31] <bregma>  sure thing
[18:32] <didrocks> thanks!
[20:45] <bobweaver> reading log ^^ when will this change in stagging happen ?
[20:46] <bobweaver> mmrazik,  it took me like 15 minutes on panda board
[20:46] <bobweaver> friends board ^^
[20:47] <bobweaver> maybe 20
[20:49] <bobweaver> compiz was like 35 too 50  min  all together I was at house for about 6 hours
[21:46] <sil2100> bobweaver: 20 minutes building on a pandaboard?
[21:46] <sil2100> Maybe my USB disk is the problem
[21:47] <sil2100> But here it takes around 1 hour
[21:48] <bobweaver> sil2100,  just for unity ?
[21:49] <sil2100> Yes o_O
[21:49] <sil2100> It's REALLY slow here
[21:51] <bobweaver> huh yeah maybe 30 min it was not sure but it wwas def not hour
[21:52] <sil2100> What storage did you use?
[21:53] <bobweaver> just a SDHC card I think was 20 or 30 gigs
[21:53] <bobweaver> Is yourrs EC ?
[21:53] <bobweaver> ES*
[21:56] <sil2100> bobweaver: no, it's the pre-ES version
[21:56] <bobweaver> also you have put make shift heatsink and leogos case with fan ?
[21:57] <bobweaver> I used coper and heatsink from loacal place (had to cut it up )
[21:57] <sil2100> hm, negative as well
[21:57] <sil2100> Is that a known issue?
[21:57] <bobweaver> I wasent going to chance it
[21:57]  * bobweaver is crazy and thinks all cpus should have heat sink
[21:57] <bobweaver> gpu anything that gets hot
[21:58] <bobweaver> legos case was fun to build
[21:58] <bobweaver> 9volt batt for fan
[21:59] <bobweaver> I need to get one for the Ubuntu TV project but $$ is low at this time. But my friend is happy with his. But it is still  not super fast due to only gig of ram
[22:00] <bobweaver> sil2100,  I will try to grab some pics of it and send to you
[22:00] <sil2100> bobweaver: thanks!
[22:00] <bobweaver> next time I am over at house (lives hour from me )
[22:02] <bobweaver> sil2100,  I would like to set up a fund for Ubuntu TV to get us some more panda boards to hack on like 2 or three one for me one for thomas and one for whoever else happens to be in line of fire. But I am unsure as to how to go about that
[22:31] <bregma> bobweaver, an ARM shouldn't need a heatsink
[22:32] <bregma> I used run a snapdragon doing compiles and rending 1080p video and it was putting out about 0.25 watts
[22:32] <bregma> not hot enough to feel warm
[22:33] <bobweaver> Oo
[22:33] <bobweaver> Like I said I was not going to chance it
[22:33] <bobweaver> that is it Just trying to think of different things that I may have done that sil2100 is not doing TBH


 Who created the Trello card, "Create list of communities to do outreach / recruitment"?  are you referring to the Ubuntu Com unity teams?
[12:55] <belkinsa> COmmunity*
[12:56] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, popey, balloons: regarding the q&a session: our team cal says 15:30 UTC, http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/ says 15 UTC - does anyone of you still know which time we agreed on?
[12:58] <dpm> dholbach, 15:00UTC
[12:58] <popey> belkinsa: that came out of one of the UOS sessions
[12:58] <dholbach> ok
[12:59] <popey> belkinsa: it was for reaching out to non-ubuntu communities I think
[13:02] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.  Thanks, popey.
[13:08] <popey> dholbach: dpm it's 15:30 in my calendar, mhall119 owns it
[13:09] <popey> 15:30 UTC that is
[13:10] <dpm> popey, we'll need to update the cal, we had this same discussion a few days ago, decided on 15:00 UTC and asked the ubuntuonair guys to update their calendar accordingly
[13:10] <popey> kk
[13:25] <mhall119> updated my calendar
[13:27] <popey> ta
[13:40] <belkinsa> dholbach, mind if I use your UOS summary in my blog post about the UOS?
[13:40] <dholbach> belkinsa, of course not
[13:40] <dholbach> please do :)
[13:40] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[14:44] <dpm> mhall119, popey, balloons, dholbach, all set for the Q&A? I'll announce it to start in ~15 on FB and G+
[14:44] <popey> ya
[14:45] <dpm> \o/
[14:45]  * popey gets coffee in a flowery mug
[14:45]  * belkinsa is ready to watch it!
[14:49] <mhall119> dpm: yup
[14:50] <mhall119> dpm: do we have any kind of agenda for this one?
[14:50] <dpm> mhall119, not really, no
[14:50] <balloons> yeppers
[14:51] <dpm> so I guess we take the questions as last one, and we prepare an agenda for the next one if we want. I think the next one we could start the schedule dholbach proposed so that only a couple of us are there each time
[14:54] <dholbach> JFYI my connection is a bit flaky today
[14:57] <mhall119> dpm: are you setting up the hangout as well, or shall I?
[14:58] <dpm> mhall119, if you could, that'd be great. It still asks me for a phone number to start the hangout :(
[15:01] <jose> dpm: I'll help you with that. Put my phone number and it'll give you a code (I think it happens for the first time)
[15:01] <belkinsa> It does happen for the first time and I see the video on YouTube and it says starting soon.
[15:33] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/ might be interesting as well
[15:34] <belkinsa> Wrong channel?
[16:02] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great rest of your day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:02] <popey> sorry I had to drop off to go to another call
[16:02] <popey> dholbach: hippie
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs popey


[18:43] <zyga[m]> is launchpad using an enforcing proxy during snap builds?
[18:43] <zyga[m]> a package builds fine locally
[18:44] <zyga[m]> farm build fails: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/610289005/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_jammy_amd64_hare_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:44] <zyga[m]> Failed to pull source: command ['git', 'clone', '--recursive', 'git://c9x.me/qbe.git', PosixPath('/build/hare/parts/qbe/src')] exited with code 128.
[18:45] <zyga[m]> I've created this package using lp api directly, perhaps I'm missing an attribute somewhere?
[18:45] <zyga[m]> Looking at the API the "allow_internet" attribute is true
[18:56] <zyga[m]> ah, the repo uses git://
[18:56] <zyga[m]> and not https://
[18:56] <zyga[m]> in fact upstream has no https support
[18:56] <zyga[m]> oh fun
[20:22] <cjwatson> zyga[m]: yes, the only way to get external network access is through the proxy.  Your build is apparently using the proxy (as evidenced by '"CONNECT c9x.me:9418 HTTP/1.0" 200 534 "-" "-"' in the log) but for some reason failing anyway
[20:23] <cjwatson> could be a proxy bug since use of unencrypted git:// is kind of uncommon nowadays, not sure
[20:23] <zyga[m]> yes, I've solved it by mirroring the git:// repo on gitlab
[20:23] <cjwatson> fair enough
[20:23] <zyga[m]> I don't know which is it
[20:23] <zyga[m]> but meh :)
[20:23] <zyga[m]> it works
[20:23] <cjwatson> (allow_internet means "permit use of the proxy" BTW)
[20:23] <zyga[m]> right
[20:24] <zyga[m]> I was wondering about one more thing
[20:24] <zyga[m]> in my case, snapcraft.yaml is in a small repo
[20:24] <zyga[m]> that pulls in other repos
[20:24] <zyga[m]> is this something that auto-building is meant to work with as well?
[20:24] <zyga[m]> since my small repo won't change all that often
[20:24] <zyga[m]> but the other repos do
[20:24] <cjwatson> afraid not really, LP doesn't know enough to follow the links
[20:24] <zyga[m]> I can build manually but I was wondering if I'm holding it wrong or if there's a setting I'm missing somewhere
[20:25] <cjwatson> (and in general it's a pretty hard problem)
[20:25] <zyga[m]> okay, I'll script a periodic build
[20:25] <cjwatson> yeah, that seems best
[20:25] <zyga[m]> I was looking for "build daily" kind of thing


[14:30] <minasota> Unit193: cyberanger One of the things I like about BSD is the use of "jails". http://paste.debian.net/383830/
[14:31] <minasota> I can use it has a virtual environment of sorts for third party software. Pretty cool
[14:49] <cyberanger> minasota: there are some ways to do that sort of thing in linux, but yeah, a chroot jail is a useful tool
[14:49] <cyberanger> and the BSD community seems to always document it, and prefer it
[15:03] <minasota> yeah, I like the documentation. It just seems from the inside out everything makes sense
[15:03] <minasota> It just seems better put together


[00:24] <superman_> is there an easy way to change the default login theme?
[00:33] <ianorlin> http://www.lubuntutips.com/2012/07/lubuntu-login-screen-changing-lightdm.html#.Uf2hKK7I1UQ
[00:35] <superman_> i actually want the login to look similar to this, it is more user friendly to people who are new to lubuntu and computers in general, and it takes less clicks https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/LightDM_1.2.1_on_Ubuntu_12.04.png
[00:36] <superman_> the background isn't a big deal just the user interface
[00:38] <ianorlin> hmm I don't know that
[00:38] <ianorlin> is this coming back from sleep or when you first boot?
[00:39] <superman_> first boot
[00:43] <superman_> or anytime you log on
[00:43] <superman_> when guest use a computer with Lubuntu they don't know how to log on and think you need a password
[00:45] <Unit193> allow-guest=false  fixed. ;)
[00:46] <superman_> but i want guest to use the computer easily without bothering me or anyone else heh
[00:54] <ianorlin> you want it to show guest first?
[00:55] <superman_> no something like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/LightDM_1.2.1_on_Ubuntu_12.04.png
[00:55] <superman_> just one click to log in for guest
[01:03] <ianorlin> I it says there is auto login maybe try setting that to guest in here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login
[01:06] <superman_> in Linux Mint you just download any login theme you want and select it
[01:08] <superman_> hmmm was zeitgeist included in the last update?
[01:10] <ianorlin> I don't know
[01:12] <superman_> zeitgeist datahub is now found checked to automatically start when Lubuntu starts, i don't think i saw it there before... maybe i'm blind
[01:17] <superman_> ianorlin, on your galculator is there a currency converter included?
[02:32] <ianorlin> no
[10:54] <tomatto> hi
[10:55] <tomatto> please, how can i set numlock automatically when X starts?
[11:10] <tomatto> please, how can i set numlock automatically when X starts?
[12:05] <phillw> tomatto: let me look it up...
[12:06] <tomatto> i installed numlockx and it looks like that it is working
[12:06] <tomatto> but i have still issue with adobe flash player
[12:07] <phillw> tomatto: going back to num lock.. it is covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock which I will be doing!
[12:07] <tomatto> when i want to play something on youtube, it show black window, blink few times and disappear
[12:08] <tomatto> first step is gnome related
[12:09] <phillw> tomatto: the best / easiest way for you tube is to join the html5 'trial' http://www.youtube.com/html5?gl=GB
[12:09] <phillw> the other steps in that wiki area are also for server systems :)
[12:10] <tomatto> i already joined to html5 trial but only few videos can be played that way
[12:10] <tomatto> :(
[12:13] <phillw> tomatto: that sounds more like a graphics issue - head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 and have a read of the 2nd sticky about "multimedia and graphics" area.
[12:14] <tomatto> i have nvidia fx5200 graphics and nvidia drivers
[12:15] <phillw> the people on that area will know of the graphics card, if it is not listed in the sticky area then do feel welcome to ask them!
[12:16] <tomatto> do you mean this howto's new part? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
[12:17] <tomatto> whom?
[12:18] <phillw> medibuntu is lapsing :'( they do not have people to keep it going.
[12:21] <phillw> tomatto: the main thing is to install the restricted extras package... use the CLI for this, as there are issues with the 'easy' install. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[13:43] <tomatto> didn;t help
[14:45] <superman__> hey friends
[14:46] <superman__> i'm just curious, why did Lubuntu choose Chromuim and now Firefox as the default web browsers
[14:50] <superman__> btw, Firefox > Chromium :P
[14:51] <superman__> _trewe, do you know?
[14:52] <_trewe> know what?
[14:54] <superman__> i'm just curious, why did Lubuntu choose Chromuim and now Firefox as the default web browsers
[14:54] <superman__> i'm just curious, why did Lubuntu choose Chromuim and now Firefox as the default web browsers
[15:07] <Newk> maybe because chromium loads in all tabs (if you chose that option in settings: that you left open last session) and firefox only loads them when you open the tab
[15:08] <Newk> thats one of the reasons why i like firefox better
[15:09] <superman__> true
[15:10] <superman__> i'm curious why a lightweight browser wasn't chosen such as Midori, since Lubuntu is suppose to be a lightweight distro
[15:11] <Newk> yes that is strange but i am glad the chose firefox because it is fully featured
[15:12] <Newk> if i need featherlight but feature lacking i would install midori
[15:13] <superman__> the main reason FF is my main browser is because of some addons, if Midori had some of those addons i would switch to the lightweight Midori browser
[15:39] <hylian> what settings tools do i have at my finger tips for lxde? (or the lubuntu packages?) I want tnings like power control, etc..
[15:41] <hylian> does xfce settings manager work for lxde?
[15:48] <superman__> i heard that Google is giving FireFox $300 million a year
[15:49] <superman__> to have Google as the default search engines and stuff
[15:51] <superman__> Google is just the modern day NSA/CIA/Government spying... etc heh
[16:17] <rundaz> installed libreoffice, then removed abiword and gnumeric. icon for abiword is gone. but icon for gnumeric is still in menu (even though nothing happens when click on it). how do i get rid of it (on all user accounts)?
[17:00] <__crash_> "Error creating directory: Permission denied" when trying to create s .theme folder in home directory
[17:00] <__crash_> what should i do?
[17:09] <superman__> __crash_, try sudo or ask the Ubuntu channel for help
[18:03] <dazru> installed webhttrack and icon is way out of size in menu (way too big). how can this be fixed?
[18:07] <dazru> anybody around?
[18:11] <dazru> Unit193: ? (i already got some quality help from you...)
[18:11] <Unit193> dazru: Howdy, find the ,desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and check what icon it's pointing too first.
[18:13] <dazru> thank you. found the file but not sure how to chekc what icon it's pointing to
[18:14] <dazru> i did properties...
[18:15] <dazru> there are two desktop files: WebHTTrack-Websites.desktop and WebHTTrack.desktop
[18:17] <dazru> looks like one is the website copier and one is to browse. both icons are are way too big in the menu
[18:21] <dazru> Unit193: are you still there?
[18:25] <dazru> don't abandon me :(
[18:25] <dazru> :)
[18:31] <ianorlin> this happened to me too on lincity
[18:32] <Unit193> cat the file.
[18:36] <dazru> cat? i dont understand
[18:37] <dazru> you mean cut?
[18:39] <dazru> ianorlin: seems to be a lubuntu bug...
[18:39] <subman_> Is Lubuntu not integrated well with Ubuntu One?  I don't see a sync option in the default file manager
[18:39] <ianorlin> it isn't installed by defualt
[18:40] <ianorlin> cat is a terminal command to show the file right
[18:40] <dazru> Unit193: you mean "cut the file"?
[18:40] <subman_> ianorlin, I am running Lubuntu under Ubuntu via install lubuntu-desktop
[18:41] <Unit193> dazru: No, view it, open it, etc.
[18:41] <Unit193> subman_: UbuntuOne doesn't care about pcmanfm.
[18:41] <dazru> Unit193: i did already...
[18:42] <dazru> Unit193: i cant see how to resize the icon
[18:42] <Unit193> grep Icon /usr/share/applications/whatever.desktop
[18:44] <subman_> Unit193, well that is not good.  How do you sync your files then in Lubuntu?
[18:45] <Unit193> subman_: rsync or scp.  You can use UbuntuOne, just not in the context menu to get the links and such.
[18:45] <dazru> Unit193: ok found it. now do i just resize it with gimp?
[18:46] <subman_> Unit193, and this issue is not a show stopper for users?  I love Ubuntu One myself
[18:46] <Unit193> dazru: That text, is it a direct link?  Does it point to a too large file?
[18:46] <Unit193> Not good to edit.
[18:46] <ianorlin> make another resized imaged off a backup?
[18:46] <dazru> Icon=/usr/share/httrack/icons/webhttrack.xpm
[18:47] <dazru> i opened the icon file and the image seems quite big... about the same size as it comes out in the menu i guess...
[18:47] <Unit193> subman_: I don't know, I dumped U1 myself.  (Never used Mainbuntu.)
[18:48] <subman_> Unit193, ok.  Thanks for the help, appreciated.
[18:48] <Unit193> dazru: It's because it's an xpm file, you can try to copy the image to ~/.local/share/applications/ and see if you can point it to a smaller image, or take off the path (eg, Icon=webhttrack )
[18:49] <dazru> Unit193: what type of file should it be?
[18:50] <dazru> Unit193: can i just open it with gimp and save it as png for example?
[19:00] <dazru> Unit193: thank you. have a little problem here (not computer related) have to go. will try doing what you said later. thank you.
[19:04] <ianorlin> hmm there is a gui way to change icon if you right click on it in the menu
[21:49] <Xentinel> hello
[21:54] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> is there no way of getting a complete oracle java install with javaws and everything without having to go through crazy loopholes and commandfrenzy?
[21:55] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> in lubuntu 13.04 ie
[21:56] <Unit193> Not so much, but openjdk works pretty well.
[21:56] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> i am using a site where openjdk does not work... only oracle will work for me
[21:58] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> omg this java stuff has become a death trap
[21:59] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> does the full ubuntu come with a working oracle java?
[21:59] <Xentinel> I'm having trouble getting VMware workstation to fit my Lubuntu VM to window size, I've installed open-vm-tools, however, that did nothing to help
[22:01] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> Xentinel: you may need to
[22:01] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-generic linux-headers-`uname -r`
[22:01] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> and then install the tools again
[22:02] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> you know unarme -r will give you what you need to write after linux-headers-
[22:03] <Xentinel> I'll give it a go
[22:04] <Xentinel> those `` runs a command inside a command?
[22:04] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> no
[22:04] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> the first thing you do is run
[22:04] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> uname -r
[22:04] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> that will give you a version number
[22:05] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> and you put that after linux-header-
[22:05] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> so in my case it would be
[22:05] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> linux-header-3.8.0-27-generic
[22:06] <Xentinel> well it did try to install the one I had
[22:07] <Xentinel> there we go
[22:07] <Xentinel> works now, thanks
[22:08] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> Xentinel: np
[22:12] <Xentinel> but seriously, that `` did insert the output
[22:13] <Xentinel> it's pretty handy
[22:13] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> Xentinel: ah ok ... i didnt even know that
[22:13] <Xentinel> you can try to do: echo "uname -r"
[22:13] <Xentinel> that's just output the text
[22:13] <Xentinel> then do: echo `uname -r`
[22:14] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> :) good it works Xentinel... at the moment im trying to get java running
[22:16] <Xentinel> jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk, hope you get it working, I'm afraid I can't be of any help with that
[22:20] <jaaaaaaaaaaaakkk> Xentinel: no worries... doesnt seem like anyone knows


[00:02] <soc> hi
[00:03] <soc> is there anyone from the openjdk ppa online?
[00:03] <virtuald> you might have more luck in #ubuntu-java
[00:05] <soc> virtuald: all people seem to idle there ...
[00:05] <soc> never got a response for almost three hours
[00:05] <virtuald> soc: many of the developers is at a "sprint" in the us
[00:06] <virtuald> if not most
[00:08] <virtuald> i don't know why they don't irc from there
[00:38] <WaltherFI> kklimonda: well scripting is fine, but i'd need that script :P
[00:43] <dabukalam> so exactly how unstable are we talking here?
[00:44] <dabukalam> I'm bored of maverick :/
[00:47] <KM0201> dabukalam: probably somewhere between ted bundy and charles manson... pretty unstable
[01:23] <coz_> hey all
[01:39] <coz_> are current update  safe ?
[01:39] <coz_> updates  < rather
[01:39] <KM0201> coz_: define safe
[01:40] <coz_> KM0201,   :)    safe to reboot... restart x   etc   :)
[01:40] <KM0201> :)
[01:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I haven't restarted in two days again
[01:41] <coz_> charlie-tca,   ooo  that's scary  :)
[01:41] <coz_> charlie-tca,  dont shut down  until someone verifies it is safe :)
[01:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know. Almost as scary as doing it with each update
[01:56] <coz_> ok updated... I am going to risk a restart of x   ,,,then a reboot... hopefully I return shortly...if not  assume I have thrown the computer out in the snow :)
[01:57] <charlie-tca> waiting...
[02:00] <coz_> :)   be right back
[02:06] <coz_> ok!
[02:06] <coz_> nice to see the icons in classic gnome are at a more reasonable distance from the left edge of screen
[02:08] <charlie-tca> whew! Maybe I will restart tonight then
[02:08] <coz_> i am still convinced that this should be a separate version ... ubuntu...kubuntu..xubuntu..lubuntu..unity1
[02:09] <coz_> definitly not Uubuntu
[02:09] <coz_> :)
[02:09] <charlie-tca> The idea is "unity gives the same thing in both desktop and netbook and laptop exerience, a unified experience"
[02:10] <coz_> charlie-tca,  no  I dont see that... in my case   i use dual monitors    global meny is rather old idea and out of date...originall by mac but at that time apple monitors were only 9"   anything over  15" monitor   ...global menu is useless
[02:11] <coz_> charlie-tca,  now in classic gnome...which I believe most people are going to be using.. I dont see a need for any of the Unity stuff to be included
[02:11] <coz_> Unity is strickly netbook  and global menu is  a good idea on small screens
[02:11] <charlie-tca> With a unified experience, you only need to know one way to do things
[02:11] <coz_> charlie-tca,   but how is this unified?
[02:11] <rww> I don't see why Ubuntu replacing GNOME's shell with Unity is any different from Ubuntu replacing GNOME's notification area with indicator things, or Ubuntu replacing GNOME's notification daemon with notify-osd, or... etc.
[02:12] <charlie-tca> The same experience on desktop, laptop, and netbook is very unified
[02:12] <rww> If you don't like it, swap it out, or switch to a distro that doesn't feel the need to change stuff like that :\
[02:12] <coz_> charlie-tca, ` but I doubt anyone is going to use Unity on their desktop unless their monitor is only 15"
[02:12] <charlie-tca> yeah, like xubuntu!
[02:13] <charlie-tca> oh, am I allowed to say that/
[02:13] <charlie-tca> ?
[02:13] <coz_> rww,  no I dont mean it is useless.. I only use classic gnome on natty at this point... I just see the need to combine them since they are distinctly different    desktp   vs   netbook
[02:13] <coz_> rather I dont see the need to combine them
[02:13] <rww> coz_: sabdfl disagrees with your assessment, apparently.
[02:13] <coz_> apparenlty
[02:14] <coz_> rww,   I think in the long run   he will see the light  :)
[02:14] <rww> I switched to Debian. The months of bickering over every minor change are a good defense against 'visions' like this.
[02:14] <rww> (also, KDE. so I'm doubly a heathen!)
[02:14] <coz_> :)
[02:16] <charlie-tca> I can see it, Ubuntu is aimed at the new linux user. For them to have the same commands, apps, layouts on all the systems can be important.
[02:17] <coz_> charlie-tca,  understood... still doesn explain to me why they are combined...
[02:18] <coz_> charlie-tca,   the whole concept of "global menu" i s very outdated,,, and really only qualifies to be used on small monitors ...this is apples mistake  even to this day... i wont use apple becuase of their   "global manu"  which significantly slows productivity down if your have widescreens or dual mnoitors
[02:18] <coz_> the only reason mac used it origianlly is to save realestate on a 9"  monitor
[02:19] <rww> I never use my menubars anyway. keyboard shortcuts ftw.
[02:19] <coz_> :)
[02:19] <rww> but yeah, global menus are rather odd.
[02:19] <rww> especially when you're grafting them on top of a system that wasn't built for them, so some apps misbehave
[02:19] <coz_> rww,   for sure  firefox comes to mind
[02:20] <rww> Firefox is a mess in general. Looks odd with dark themes to me :\
[02:23] <charlie-tca> firefox doesn't count. It doesn't behave no matter what you have
[02:23] <coz_> of course I always complain during ubuntu version transistions :)
[04:28] <dooglus> I'm trying to "connect to Ubuntu One".  It's asking me for a "verification code" from an email.  I have a "confirmation code".  Is that the same thing?  When I type it into the form, it causes the connection program to hang
[04:28] <dooglus> with "one moment please..." and a spinning circle
[06:28] <magn3ts> Has anyone considered placing the application-specific volumes in the sound menu?
[06:28] <magn3ts> If not, would a patch that did that be welcomed or no?
[06:39] <ofb> Hello 2 all/ Who can help me with install of 3d open source ati driver for radeon 1600?
[06:44] <soulashell> hi
[06:45] <soulashell> i'm having trouble with the latest natty update
[06:45] <soulashell> left me without the app bar on the left and without the bar at the top of the screen
[06:47] <ofb> soulashell try to use Classic desktop in login screen
[06:48] <soulashell> ofb: ok, let me try
[06:56] <soulashell> is ofb gone?
[07:05] <soulashell> got it to show the launcher bar, but it's not looking right, got blank spaces on it
[08:15] <Machtin> hey guys.. just updated my notebook to 11.04 and now i'm wondering why wlan stopped working.. ifconfig still lists wlan0 but it seems no AP is found.
[08:43] <gyger> is anyone active?
[08:47] <nit-wit> barely
[09:44] <evilvish> gyger: hey
[09:44] <gyger> hola
[09:44] <evilvish> gyger: so i think you would have removed unity?
[09:44] <evilvish> gyger: and ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <gyger> not on purpose
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: yea.. but it seems thats what is happening today..
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: so you gotta install them
[09:45] <nit-wit> I saw a thread on this on the ubuntu forums
[09:45] <gyger> when i try to install desktop, it depends on unity
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: you need both
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: rule of thumb never do partial updates
[09:46] <gyger> and unity depends on compiz-core-abiversion-20101111
[09:46] <gyger> yeah. i learned afterward
[09:46] <gyger> which that compiz pkg does not exist
[09:47] <evilvish> gyger: check synaptic history. install unity and ubuntu-desktop. if it is not possible rollback what ever is asking for higher depends.. and for parital updates>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479146
[09:47] <evilvish> partial*
[09:51] <gyger> evilvish: I don't see how to do the rollback... point me in the right direction?
[09:52] <evilvish> gyger: well.. you'd have to *manually* search lp and download the earlier version of each package you just updated. and install the debs
[09:52] <gyger> evilvish: thanks
[09:52] <evilvish> np
[09:54] <gyger> evilvish: i just realized, the retard move i made was via command prompt... anyway to look that one up as well?
[09:55] <evilvish> gyger: ?  not sure what you mean..
[09:56] <gyger> evilvish: when i did the dist upgrade it was bc after i did an update, every time i moved my mouse it kicked me out to the login screen, i logged back in and went into a tty prompt and did a dist-upgrade...
[09:57] <gyger> i am assuming that i need to roll back to before the one that caused the kick-me-out-to-a-login-screen issue?
[09:58] <evilvish> yea, that maybe better, (but i'v got no clue about that though)
[09:59] <gyger> evilvish: and then we wait for the new unity update?
[09:59] <evilvish> gyger: yea..
[09:59] <gyger> evilvish: i hate it when i bork my system
[12:46] <dabbill> everytime i reboot i have to do metacity --replace to get my window borders up.
[12:52] <jMCg> I do compiz --replace &
[12:54] <dabbill> i am just running basic install of ubuntu with nvidia driver enabled
[12:55] <dabbill> i dont have compiz installed
[13:11] <zniavre> i m reading that unity can handle now 2d,  is that already done ?
[13:20] <zniavre> what is the small grip handle in panels ?
[13:21] <zniavre> ho another gnomeclassic session (with no effect)
[13:28] <multiplatinum> hello everyone
[13:28] <multiplatinum> natty will have zeitgeist tightly integrated meaning you can easily retrieve everything, etc.
[13:28] <dabbill> everytime i reboot i have to do metacity --replace & to get my window boarders back, i have tried to reinstall metacity but no luck fixing it
[13:29] <multiplatinum> but if you remove a file from your system, will zeitgeist remove all its info?
[13:40] <kklimonda> bah, now that Canonical is developing Unity 2D with Qt I'm finally convinced that they've decided to turn developers' brains into marshmallows...
[13:41] <zniavre> :o)
[13:42] <yofel> more Qt \o/
[13:43] <evilvish> yofel: dont be too happy.. it's part of the larger plan!  we dump gnome and take over KDE ;p
[13:44] <kklimonda> I wouldn't mind personall
[13:44] <kklimonda> what I'm afraid of is Canonical commiting to support both Gtk+ and Qt at the same time, on the same desktop
[13:44] <yofel> haha, I believe we'll see X die before that though..
[13:44] <kklimonda> a little inside nazi in me is crying when I think about it
[13:46] <yofel> so? we already have many Qt apps in the repos, not only KDE stuff, and Qt was already maintained by the kubuntu team. I doubt too much is going to change there
[13:46] <kklimonda> yofel: but they look different from Gtk+ ones
[13:47] <yofel> a bit sure, but Qt's gtk theming support has gotten better. Not sure how well it works with gtk3 though
[13:47] <evilvish> zniavre: resize grip on panel?  do you have a bug number?
[13:47] <yofel> if at all
[13:47] <kklimonda> yofel: they will always feel different and won't be pixel perfect
[13:47] <zniavre> evilvish,  not yet
[13:48] <evilvish> k..
[13:48] <zniavre> i do not know how to report it
[13:48] <kklimonda> yofel: if we are not here to create a perfect experience, we can as well go back to xmonad, wmii, and bunch of terminals imo
[13:48] <zniavre> i mean i know but i trying to find an english way to explain it clearly
[13:48] <zniavre> :o)
[13:49] <yofel> well, I haven't used gnome in a while so I'm not sure what the current state is and stop here. I belong to the fraction that doesn't care about the GUI toolkit that's used anyway
[13:50] <kklimonda> yofel: I don't care about gui toolkit being used - I just care about choosing a single one, and sticking with it
[13:56] <zniavre> evilvish, http://i.imgur.com/oW5u2.png  > should i report this bug ?
[13:57] <evilvish> zniavre: yup..
[13:57] <zniavre> ok
[13:57] <zniavre> resize grip is the good name ?
[14:02] <multiplatinum> if you remove a file in natty which got indexed by zeitgeist, will its ZG info also be removed?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:05] <zniavre> evilvish, im sorry i can't find the way to report this bug
[14:05] <evilvish> zniavre: i think it needs to be filed in gnome-panel..
[14:07] <om26er> brastche already have a fix for gnome-panel ( and gdm too) and there is a upstream bug with the patch too I believe
[14:07] <zniavre> coool
[14:08] <Machtin> hey guys.. just updated my notebook to 11.04 and now i'm wondering why wlan stopped working.. ifconfig still lists wlan0 but it seems no AP is found.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big amarok user , I find it clunky and awkward , but how is ir behaving in natty
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:09] <multiplatinum> if you remove a file in natty which got indexed by zeitgeist, will its ZG info also be removed?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Machtin, try sudo dhclient wlan0
[14:10] <Machtin> will check.
[14:11] <Machtin> and as far as i can tell, amarok hasn't changed too much
[14:11] <BluesKaj> bummer
[14:12] <Machtin> what do you use instead?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> vlc mostly
[14:12] <Machtin> i see.
[14:13] <Machtin> dhclient wlan0 does nothing it seems.
[14:13] <zniavre> #702879
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Machtin, how about ifup wlan0
[14:15] <Machtin> BluesKaj: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:16] <Machtin> changes nothing
[14:17] <zniavre> how do i call bug bot please?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Machtin, does your network router even show up at all ? , try route , to see if you have a router IP
[14:19] <Machtin> no, i don't
[14:19] <Machtin> *it doesn't.
[14:20] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/702879
[14:20] <Machtin> but wlan's here.. i can check via cellphone.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Machtin, find the diver , sudo lshw -C network, then sudo modprobe -r module; sudo modprobe module , module being the driver name
[14:23] <Machtin> what's the modules' name? Product is AR9285.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yes AR9285
[14:24] <Machtin> well.. modprobe -r AR9285 tells me that such a module doesn't exist.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> mm the diver got stripped somehow
[14:25] <BluesKaj> driver
[14:26] <bjsnider> no, that driver is called ath9k
[14:26] <bjsnider> ar9285 is the name of the chip, by atheros, not the driver
[14:26] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:27] <BluesKaj> sorry Machtin , substiute what bjsnider says in the modprobe command
[14:27] <BluesKaj> ath9k
[14:28] <BluesKaj> gotta remember that,
[14:28] <Machtin> i think that already was loaded..
[14:29] <Machtin> just a minute.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> it's just that driver for my belkin wifi is rt2870, so i assumed ...
[14:29] <bjsnider> belkin? ughh
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, I agree
[14:30] <BluesKaj> crappy , alot of work toget it going , now it hasn't worked since jaunty, even with ndiswrapper
[14:30] <Machtin> that's funny.
[14:30] <Machtin> when i load that module, wlan0 disappears
[14:31] <bjsnider> modprobe -r removes the driver
[14:31] <BluesKaj> removes the old driver
[14:31] <Machtin> stupid me.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> that's what it's supposed to do
[14:32] <Machtin> Yeah? why?
[14:32] <bjsnider> modprobe -r ath9k would take down your wifi. modprobe ath9k would bring it up again
[14:32] <Machtin> yup
[14:33] <bjsnider> ath9k is a relatively new driver and it has some issues
[14:33] <Machtin> is there a old module i can use then?
[14:33] <bjsnider> no
[14:34] <bjsnider> there are newer and older versions of that driver, but it was intended to support newer atheros chips that have wireless-n
[14:34] <Machtin> well.. if i have to use that, how can i make it work?
[14:36] <bjsnider> the linux-backports-modules-wireless packages are supposed to have better, more stable versions than ship in the kernels but they are likely only available in stable distros
[14:37] <Machtin> ok
[14:49] <om26er> is it final or there is still some hope that we'll have 2.91.xx/3.0 series of gnome applications ?
[14:53] <evilvish> om26er: we have no hope left.. ;)
[14:53] <om26er> ah sh** ;)
[14:56] <om26er> there was a bug report to make appmenu-gtk work with gtk3 so that means we are not dropping gtk3 from cd? if so then we have all the requirements for empathy3.0 atleast I believe
[14:59] <evilvish> om26er: well, if so you could do that update i suppose.. you should really be asking seb on -desktop, (his word is final)
[15:00] <om26er> right
[15:04] <BluesKaj> hey billybigrigger ..ltns
[15:07] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, ya no doubt!
[15:07] <billybigrigger> hows it going?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> good , and you billybigrigger ?
[15:08] <billybigrigger> good, just finished up a job on this rig and have a few days off...
[15:08] <billybigrigger> what to do? :P
[15:08] <billybigrigger> you quit hanging in -ca or what?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> -ca ?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> omigod , a log time ago
[15:09] <billybigrigger> ubuntu-ca
[15:09] <billybigrigger> i thought you were canadian
[15:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, just outside Sudbury
[15:10] <billybigrigger> ahh thought so :P
[15:10] <billybigrigger> whats new with you?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> ok ,I'll rejoin ...not much activity there if I recall
[15:12] <BluesKaj> not much, just waiting out the winter, doing a little jamming etc but otherwise same ol' same ol'
[15:13] <billybigrigger> right arm
[15:13] <billybigrigger> now that i got you to join again...i think i'll take off and fire up the 360 :)
[15:15] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, take er easy seeya later
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ok, take care , billybigrigger
[15:24] <alex_mayorga> aptitude full-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-desktop for anyone else?
[15:25] <billybigrigger> dunno, i'm a safe-upgrade man myself
[15:25] <alex_mayorga> billybigrigger: same here, but I do a full-upgrade from time to time
[15:26] <billybigrigger> hmm...i can honestly say i've never
[15:43] <BluesKaj> hmm, full upgrade , maybe it wants to install  the new gnome I keep hearing about ...dunno tho , I'm a kde user
[15:50] <alex_mayorga> I guess I'll wait a couple of days and see if it gets less aggressive
[15:57] <nigelb> hrm, would be nice to have https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00078.html in /topic
[15:58] <rww> nigelb: best place to ask for +1 topic changes is -ops
[15:59] <nigelb> rww: oh, I didn't know that.  So do I have to walk in ask or will you do that for me as a favor? ;)
[15:59] <nigelb> *in and ask
[15:59] <rww> i'll do it
[15:59]  * Pici saw
[15:59] <nigelb> :)
[16:00]  * nigelb hugs rww
[16:15] <fmax30> how can i change the my display performance / anti aliasing / direct x settings	 using ubuntu 11.04 default display drivers
[16:18] <alex_mayorga> I guess what nigelb posted explains the scary stuff when full-upgrading
[16:22] <nigelb> alex_mayorga: you got me checking my mail :)
[16:23] <alex_mayorga> nigelb: no worries I came here to ask why some updates wanted to nuke ubuntu-desktop
[16:24] <nigelb> heh
[16:24] <BluesKaj> fmax30,depends whether you have driver gui like nvidia has
[16:24] <rww> I tend to do aptitude safe-upgrade, and leave anything that's held back there well alone.
[16:25] <alex_mayorga> rww: I guess that's the wise thing to do, but I try doing a full-upgrade every other Friday, guess not this Friday :)
[16:25] <BluesKaj> rww, same here , unles ]s something recommmended but not being installed ...dunno why that happens tho
[16:26] <BluesKaj> err recommended
[16:26] <rww> alex_mayorga: lol, indeed
[16:27] <rww> My natty computer's charger cable is being stupid, so I'm a week or so behind at this point :(
[16:52] <evilvish> om26er: from u-meeting " <pitti>  * GTK 3 theming problem was solved for natty by fixing GTK2 enough to work with our ported gobject-introspection; apport, language-selector and friends now use GTK2 with GI and GTK3 fell off the CD. "
[16:52] <evilvish> om26er: looks like GTK3 might not be on the CD.. :(
[16:52] <om26er> :(
[16:53] <om26er> backporting has proven to be crashy, example evolution :O so natty will be crashy
[16:53] <om26er> and bore
[16:54] <Amaranth> evilvish: That's the plan, getting GTK+ 3 off the CD
[16:54] <Amaranth> and keeping it off for natty
[16:55] <evilvish> Amaranth: i had thought so too.. but om26er today mentioned otherwise..
[16:55] <Amaranth> Why would we need it?
[16:56] <evilvish> Amaranth: i guess om26er wanted to update empathy to 3.0
[16:56] <Amaranth> evilvish: Oh, that was talked about before
[16:56] <Amaranth> evilvish: afaik the consensus was if it can't be built with 2.x it won't happen
[16:57]  * evilvish nods..
[16:57] <om26er> empathy 2.91.3 explicitly removed the support to build with gtk2 :/
[17:43] <olmari> problem... natty asked at bootup into "ubuntu desktop" (not classic) about some applets or so not loading and I did choose don't load and now mine desktop becomes empty... what to do? :)
[17:44] <olmari> is there some files to delete or copy from some "skeleton" dir so that mine user stuff for GUI would become somewhat normal?
[17:58] <slyrus_> is the compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 problem related to the Ayatana API changes mentioned in the topic?
[18:12] <olmari> related to mine prob: in classic desktop I can recreate the panels and such, but in new unity enviroment I can't do anything in blank dekstop
[18:21] <ofb> Hello. Anybody can help me with install open source 3d for ati?
[18:22] <ofb> Nobody?
[18:25] <IdleOne> more patience needed
[18:47] <slyrus_> looks like the compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 problem is fixed. yay.
[18:50] <olmari> IdleOne: I juest meant to answer him too,but.. =)
[18:51] <IdleOne> olmari: ??
[18:52] <olmari> IdleOne: I assumed you mentioned ofb and his quick dissappearing :)
[18:52] <IdleOne> oh, hehe yeah
[19:00] <IdleOne> !info gnome-shell
[20:33] <gnomefreak> is the ubuntu-desktop update broken still?
[20:33] <gyger> i think so
[20:33] <gyger> i am still personally having issues
[20:33] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: see topic, ayatana is breaking everything
[20:34] <rww> ain't that the truth
[20:34] <gnomefreak> does it still want to install kde libs/apps :)
[20:34] <gnomefreak> i guess that would explain the kde crap
[20:34] <gnomefreak> checking now
[20:35] <gyger> the question becomes... when should it calm down... it sounds like today or tomorrow... but i can't tell
[20:35] <olmari> how about mine prob? repeat for short: logging in to ubuntu desktop "kills" all the applets... I did sayu don't reload and now I have basically nothing in mine desktop execpt backgroun.. how to get everythign to normal =)
[20:36] <gyger> are you in desktop version or classic?
[20:36] <olmari> gyger: cuurently classic, as I can re-put panels here... but in "Unity desktop" I can't add any panels or anything
[20:37] <gnomefreak> i installed Maverick(gnome) on this system installed irssi irssi-scripts and nvidia drivers than run upgrade to 11.04 nothing else installed, yesterday when i went to do a dist upgrade to grab current packages it wanted to install all kinds of qtlibs and kde apps
[20:37] <olmari> from the getgo when I installed natty few days ago it insisted on every reboot that like every aplet has problems adn it gave me reload or don't reload... I once chose dno't reload to all and now I see it was mistake, there is literally nothing on mine logon
[20:38] <gnomefreak> olmari: lyou should beable to have it work now. i had same issue on my 1st natty box upgraded when repos opened
[20:39] <gyger> olmari: i am having the same issue... this only started a couple days ago though... there are major changes being made to the code right now as I understand it. Canonical just went through a huge push this week in Dallas writing code like there is no tomorrow....
[20:39] <gnomefreak> s/lyou/you
[20:39] <olmari> mm well... how I could rectify this issue without reinstalling everything? :)
[20:39] <gnomefreak> ayatana should not effect a clean gnome install with qt crap
[20:40] <gnomefreak> olmari: it was just stuff on the desktop like trash, weather applet, ect...?
[20:41] <olmari> gnomefreak: everything... I get _only_ background... and in "unity desktop" I can't get a right click menu or anythign where I could readd stuff
[20:41] <gnomefreak> lsb seems to be one of the packages that are stuck in updates
[20:41] <olmari> gnomefreak: same for classic desktop, but there I can at least manually ad panels back and whatnot
[20:42] <gnomefreak> olmari: i am unable to run unity atm but i was having probems where the panels took too long to load and it left me with nothing at all. you might have same issue. give me a minute to locate something for you
[20:43] <gyger> gnomefreak: at least u are able to run unity... I am in no such luck
[20:43] <olmari> gnomefreak: all I need is even some method to "do mine user again" so that I don't need to reinstall from start
[20:43] <gnomefreak> gyger: no i cant run it
[20:43] <gnomefreak> let me find the bug i filed
[20:44] <gyger> sorry, i misread... my dependencies are broken 10 ways to sunday though... its frustrating
[20:44] <gnomefreak> sorry firefox is taking forever to do anything atm just a few more seconds
[20:45] <gyger> lol
[20:45] <gnomefreak> see bug 701172
[20:47] <olmari> hmm
[20:47] <gnomefreak> mvo: is Ayatana causing qt/kde stuff to install on a pure gnome system. other than pre isntalled packages i installed irss, irssi-scripts and nvidia drivers
[20:47] <gnomefreak> s/causing/causing depkg to install
[20:47] <olmari> well... on mine computer it everytime asked to reload or not reload... but yeah... I bet ultimately rootcause is the same
[20:48] <gnomefreak> olmari: add comments to bug report than but please be detailed
[20:48] <gyger> gnomefreak... did you see the response that mirco left you in your bug report?
[20:49] <olmari> as few times pressing "reload" on every window did work ultimately... until I tried "don't reload" and after next logon, blank screen
[20:49] <gnomefreak> no i havent looked at bug since i filed it. looking now
[20:49] <olmari> s/blank/only background
[20:50] <gnomefreak> mine i am betting is video card mem or sys mem
[20:50] <gnomefreak> i want chrome back :(
[20:50] <gyger> gnomefreak: your computer may just be on strike...
[20:51] <olmari> I don't know how detailed I could be with this... have only my memory now, until I figure out how to undo stuff or redo mine user (or reinstall)
[20:54] <gnomefreak> olmari: test weather his comment works for you
[20:54] <gnomefreak> but i would first leave a comment on what your system is doing
[20:54]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[20:55] <olmari> gnomefreak: lol... it gives "The program 'unity' is currently not installed.   I suppose I could do reinstallation when stuff is a little more stable :)
[21:07] <gnomefreak> i have to move over some of my profiles too. chrome one first
[21:07] <gnomefreak> more stable == april
[21:07] <gyger> gnomefreak: shouldn't have to wait that long..
[21:08] <gnomefreak> once ayatana is fixed it will still have broken bits to it
[21:08] <olmari> as in I got this stuff right when I first booted natty, as netboot (orwhatever called) gets most fresh stuff from inet from beginning :)
[21:08] <gnomefreak> a crap load of packages if not all will have to be rebuilt
[21:08] <olmari> gnomefreak: I didn't say release stable, but more stable than blank backgroubd :p
[21:09] <olmari> then again I could just go in to already stable 1010 :D
[21:09] <olmari> but what's the fun on that :)
[21:09] <gyger> come on, fix it urself... isnt that the linux way... lol
[21:11] <gnomefreak> unity is new to non-netbook systems so you are likely to see problems for a while. i can still run gnome-shell here so i should be able to run unity without an issue but its not
[21:12] <gnomefreak> b eback i have to fix this
[21:16] <olmari> mm well.. TBH I am so many times tempted to try something like gentoo, because I can... I_kinda_ like it's idealistic stuff.. but then again ubuntu IS easy as in stables go :)
[21:16] <mvo> hey gnomefreak, sorry for the delay. can you check /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[21:17] <gnomefreak> mvo: i think it is a partial system upgrade, since the ayanata bug while upgrading this box
[21:18] <gnomefreak> ok looing at it now
[21:19] <olmari> I can't install unity?
[21:19] <gnomefreak> olmari: not atm
[21:19] <gnomefreak> at least most likely not
[21:19] <olmari> mm'kay :)
[21:19] <gyger> olmari: but within a day or two... if i am understanding everything correctly
[21:20] <olmari> gyger: mm well I'm not in THAT of a rush, as I see it's not only mine problem alone
[21:21] <gyger> olmari: if you like i can email you when i get unity back up and running and see if i can help you from there?
[21:22] <olmari> gyger: sure you can... but really not that deep in trouble :)
[21:22] <gyger> mvo: i was just checking the same place... if i can grab the packages listed there that got blown out by the dist-upgrade... i should be back to a good version of unity, then wait until packages are ready to go with the new versions (post-ayatana rebuild) right?
[21:22] <gnomefreak> mvo: its listing everything from the output of the dist-upgrade and upgrade commands, that i never said yes to. i had posted the output of the commands when i got them to pastebin, but i dont see it there anymore. im looking for the qt stuff but havent gotten there yet. if it is there do you want the log on pastebin
[21:23] <olmari> gyger: all this is still more a inconvience than showstopper, in "crucial" (to me) server I'm running LTS
[21:23] <gnomefreak> gyger: you wont be able to
[21:23] <gyger> gnomefreak: y not?
[21:23] <gyger> olmari: smart man
[21:24] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade == very bad idea, if you try to install one of those broken packages it will cause a screwed up system. it is best to wait
[21:25] <gnomefreak> you can run upgrade without a problem at least i was able to without it removing anything important
[21:25] <olmari> gyger: well LTS because I am too lazy to upgrade the server... then again there is no direct need to either :)
[21:25] <gnomefreak> if they have been blocked by dpkg im not sure of
[21:25] <gyger> right, and if i do the reverse... get rid of the one that was installed and reinstall the ones that were uninstalled (making sure to grab the proper versions from lp) i don't see why i couldn't go back to where i was
[21:25] <gyger> olmari: lol
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i doubt dpkg blockes broken packages from dist-upgrade command. AFAIK update-manager still wont upgrade system
[21:26] <gyger> gnomefreak: is that to me?
[21:27] <olmari> gyger: as in update into latest stable server :)
[21:27] <gnomefreak> yes would be good is olmari read it too. that is answer to your y not?
[21:27] <komputes> Hey guys can you mark this bug as affecting you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/324700
[21:28] <olmari> well I am not sure where to "go back" as I got into directly this problem... but I am satisfied with the results I got now and answers here
[21:28] <gnomefreak> komputes: mine was working fine on my other natty box, i have a non-fully upgrade on this box atm. try with unity and with classic desktop version seee if it is on both
[21:29] <komputes> gnomefreak: looks still the same to me in natty
[21:29] <gnomefreak> it would be great if i could grep when inside a file from term instead of grepping from outside the file
[21:30] <mvo> gnomefreak: yeah, if you could give me the link to the pastebin
[21:30] <gnomefreak> mvo: ok i will post it
[21:30] <gnomefreak> i hope
[21:33] <gyger> mvo: so i am just eff'ed until ayatana is done?.
[21:33] <gnomefreak> ok pastebinit wont do it :( let me see if i can get it all there
[21:34] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling its too big of a file
[21:34] <gnomefreak> mvo: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/554181/
[21:35]  * gnomefreak now wonders what happened to pastebinit
[21:35] <mvo> gnomefreak: hm, can't find qt in that :/
[21:36] <gnomefreak> mvo: let me see if i can make it happen again
[21:36] <mvo> gyger: well, you can remove qt again and see what else it will take down with it
[21:36] <mvo> gyger: but yeah, if its natty there are bugs like this (dependencies that shouldn't be there etc)
[21:38] <gnomefreak> mvo: i thought it was related to apturl-qt or kde that was causing the libs but i dont see any other them anymore
[21:39]  * mvo needs to reboot but will e right back
[21:39] <gnomefreak> apturl apturl-common is all of apturl now
[21:39] <gnomefreak> mvo: thanks for your time
[21:41]  * gnomefreak cant wait for OO.o to be removed from default
[21:42] <gnomefreak> mvo: the full file isnt there it seems
[21:43] <gnomefreak> thats odd as it has the start and end but missing middle from file
[21:44] <gnomefreak> it seems no tto be an issue anymore so screw it
[21:44] <gyger> lol
[21:45] <gnomefreak> yay script is working again
[21:45] <gnomefreak> mvo: it seems to be missing everything that i decided to not upgrade/install
[21:47] <mvo> gnomefreak: history.log only contains stuff that actually got installed, is it just trying to install qt on a dist-upgrade (i.e. did you not confirm this yet?). in thise case, sorry, you can use apt-get dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=True to see what is going on
[21:47] <gnomefreak> it is no longer trying to install them from what i can tell
[21:48] <gnomefreak> not using dist-upgrade anyway. lets see what upgrade gives me
[21:51] <gnomefreak> apturl is held back but for some reason so is chrome i guess that is effected too.
[21:55] <mvo> gnomefreak: history.log only contains stuff that actually got installed, is it just trying to install qt on a dist-upgrade (i.e. did you not confirm this yet?). in thise case, sorry, you can use apt-get dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=True to see what is going on
[21:56] <gnomefreak> mvo: i think i know where the qt stuff came from it seems libreoffice requires it
[21:56] <gnomefreak> i just tried installing it, so maybe that is where i saw it
[21:57] <gnomefreak> apturl-kde
[21:57] <gnomefreak> that was it
[21:57] <gnomefreak> ok we really need to rethink replace OO.o with an only qt package
[21:59] <gnomefreak> well not only but qt is a part of it, atm OO.o has a gtk and qt packages one or the other you dont need both. it seems libreoffice forces qt on you. ill be back in a few moments
[22:05] <rww> gnomefreak: or perhaps it's just a bug in the packaging ;)
[22:05] <olmari> hmmh... I'd so like something of a ubuntu and gentoo... (to be strictly out of topic)
[22:05] <gnomefreak> rww: maybe atm its from PPA since it has not started the transition yet
[22:06] <gnomefreak> make one than
[22:06] <olmari> well... ubuntu's support and general easyness to use, but official support for "tinker the heck out of it" :D
[22:06] <gnomefreak> i dont have an isssue makeing ubuntu act the way i want to. you are in the world of Linux, anything can happen
[22:06] <olmari> gnomefreak: if that was for me, then I say I'm not that nerd I could manage that... just yet =)
[22:07] <olmari> gnomefreak: mm well... for one that realy mystifies me is for example plain ubuntu server taking somewhat 850mb of space
[22:08] <olmari> and these sort of things... I really don't have fundamental opposition for ubuntu in itself
[22:08] <gnomefreak> that is too much space for you?
[22:09] <olmari> gnomefreak: well not as-is, but what in "most plain CLI installation" takes so much? and more so all space for programs tends to be  more heavy system
[22:09] <gnomefreak> the server install installs sound stuff too (used to anyway) and that was kind of stupid IMHO, but you can make your own installer and as i understand its easy to do
[22:10] <gnomefreak> there is an app to make building your own installer easy. i never tried it or cared too much about it but it is there
[22:10] <olmari> gnomefreak: well propably I could, but would it be again within any "official" support? (not that IRC is best anyhow
[22:11] <gnomefreak> since you would be using Ubuntu repos i dont see why not but again never used it so i dont know. if you go to packages outside of Ubuntu than the support changes
[22:11] <olmari> gnomefreak: and by all means, I'm not complaining about ubuntu, it's quite good as in general standing
[22:13] <olmari> but I also want to tinket the hell put of my own equipment, but still be able to help my local friends with "more official" stuff... I have already seen 'cases' where there two do collide in "official" level
[22:13] <olmari> tinker
[22:13] <olmari> out...
[22:13]  * gnomefreak likes to stay in text mode personally but havent played with text based email yet.
[22:15] <olmari> I do like the stuff ubuntu in general takes linux in general... many "sub-åarts" has gone so long way ahead because ubuntu, but.. there is that but :)
[22:15] <gnomefreak> you can (if you know how) merge distros but that is not easy but i have heard of people doing it, but gentoo is a bit different. i havent used gentoo in years about the smae time i used fedora 1
[22:16] <olmari> yeah sure I could even "do mine own OS" but as implied, I'm not that nerd I could assycode everything ;)
[22:16] <gnomefreak> Ubuntu is part Ddebian and part Ubuntu
[22:17] <olmari> gnomefreak: well I do like gentoo as in "download sourcecodes and compile then" method...
[22:17] <olmari> as in optimised into your system
[22:18] <gnomefreak76> oh damn
[22:18] <gnomefreak76> i fix chrome and i lose connection
[22:18] <olmari> lol :D
[22:20] <gnomefreak> with a little work maybe i can have most of my issues fixed by morning thats about 12 hours from now when i wake up
[22:20] <olmari> gnomefreak: :)
[22:20] <leagris> any plan on releasing updated samba for Ubuntu10.10 please see: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7577 unable to browse/open windows7 shares from ubuntu due to SPNEGO login failed: Invalid parameter ?
[22:21] <gnomefreak> ok im going to be AFK for a while
[22:22] <gnomefreak> leagris: that is not in the realm of support for this channel please see the bug for updates. maybe try asking in #ubuntu-bugs for someone to look at it. but it requires backporting it that is up to the backport team
[22:23]  * gnomefreak doesnt remember if there is a #ubuntu-backport channel or not but you maybe should add a backport task on it
[22:23] <gnomefreak> leagris: file a bug for backporting the package
[22:23] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it was fixed
[22:24] <gnomefreak> ok i have to get started on this project
[22:24] <olmari> gnomefreak: have fun :)
[22:25] <gnomefreak> thanks ill try
[22:26] <gnomefreak> well at least they make it easy to add alot of backgrounds at a time. adding 50 1 at a time sucked
[22:26] <olmari> =)
[22:27] <gnomefreak> we still havent made it official yet but upstream gnome lets you use ctrl+a
[22:30] <gnomefreak> well 2 down ~25 to go
[22:30] <gnomefreak> hifi: BUGabundo
[22:30] <gnomefreak> damn
[22:30] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[22:30] <BUGabundo> o/
[22:31] <BUGabundo> yes gnomefreak, music is playing, so in ensence I have hifi :)
[22:31] <olmari> diddidii diddii... texaco is spilling...
[22:31] <gnomefreak> :)  i didnt mean to ping him, although i didnt know someone had that name
[22:31] <olmari> and that's all I remember from southpark the movie
[22:33] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I'm so used to TAB I try it on all words :S
[22:33] <gnomefreak> ha
[22:33] <olmari> :D
[22:34] <BUGabundo> am I the only one doing so?
[22:34] <olmari> BUGabundo: well... for EVERY word maybe.. but on most owrd.. maybe not ;D
[22:35] <BUGabundo> you kinda look like you need it too :=)
[22:35] <olmari> lol
[22:36] <olmari> maybe
[22:43]  * gnomefreak out
[23:28] <leagris> gnomefreak, it is at least fixed in samba4 multiverse but does not include gnome gvfs samba share
[23:28] <leagris> hope at least it will be fixed in 11.04
[23:30] <leagris> took me 4 hours searching the web to find about this fix. I seems many resigned in accessing windows7 shares from ubuntu
[23:32] <Gulfstream> Is it safe to install the new updates on Natty?
[23:32] <Amaranth> Gulfstream: Don't try to do a dist-upgrade right now
[23:33] <Amaranth> Things are all kinds of messed up
[23:33] <Gulfstream> but simply running "sudo apt-get upgrade" is okay, right?
[23:33] <Amaranth> Gulfstream: I'm up-to-date on that and things have no fallen apart


[15:58] <mpt> snwh!!
[15:58] <snwh> mpt!!
[16:01] <mpt> snwh, got yourself a fresh supply of origami paper? :-)
[16:01] <snwh> mpt, not origami, but regular paper
[16:01] <snwh> was 'origami' a hint at something? :P
[16:03] <mpt> No, I don't really know what proportions work best for darts
[16:03] <snwh> good ol' office A4
[16:05] <snwh> funnily the best shape is the paper folded a few times and rolled into tube and thrown like an american football. random fact of the day.


[03:09] <pleia2> ok, I'm finishing up summaries, and bullet pointing the podcasts
[03:11] <JoseeAntonioR> philballew: was going to do some
[03:11] <pleia2> I need to get this off to the editors ASAP :\
[03:11] <pleia2> just 2 left to do
[03:16] <JoseeAntonioR> tried to do one
[03:18] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:18] <pleia2> I don't actually know what he means by "top 3" - maybe news?
[03:18] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, maybe
[03:18] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, think so
[03:18] <pleia2> I thought it was features too, until I reread the wayland one :)
[03:19] <JoseeAntonioR> he's defining changes between releases I think
[03:19] <pleia2> yeah
[03:19] <pleia2> ok, that's the last of it!
[03:20] <pleia2> copying over now
[03:23] <pleia2> oops, I forgot to do dev team meetings
[03:25] <Cheri703> anything I can still help with?
[03:30] <pleia2> just sent the mail off to the editors, so if you see any obvious issues, now's the time to review :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue279
[03:47] <Unit193> ...They changed wiki servers, somehow it's throwing off the cert check.
[03:48] <pleia2> doh
[21:42] <pleia2> oh bother, it's monday, I was supposed to release UWN during my lunch break
[21:49] <pleia2> 500 Can't connect to wiki.ubuntu.com:443 (certificate verify failed) at ./publish-uwn.pl line 21.
[21:49] <pleia2> argh.
[21:49] <pleia2> stupid bad cert
[21:49] <Unit193> Welcome to my world.
[21:49] <Unit193> Pretty sure the links should be good.
[21:50] <pleia2> need to figure out how to get LWP to ignore bad cert
[21:50] <pleia2> suppose I could temporarily make PERL_LWP_SSL_VERIFY_HOSTNAME false
[21:51]  * pleia2 just does that
[21:54] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue279
[21:57] <JoseeAntonioR> yay