[19:43] <kroq-gar78>  hello all.Why is Launchpad building service giving me an error? It talks about ca-certificates-java failing to install (or something like that, don't remember the package name). I'm trying to package my Java game that I made. Here is the link to the buildlog: https://code.launchpad.net/~kroq-gar78/+archive/ppa/+recipebuild/64264
[20:20] <jo-erlend> I've created a PPA on launchpad, and now I'm trying to package and make the software available. I haven't put anything in the PPA yet, and I wanted to add it on my development machine. I used "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:joerlend.schinstad/testing". That gives me the following error: «Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~joerlend.schinstad/+archive/testing»
[20:20] <jo-erlend> what have I done wrong?
[20:20] <lifeless> we don't generate and publish the key files until the first upload
[20:21] <jo-erlend> ah, ok.
[20:21] <lifeless> something like 2/3rds of PPAs never get an upload, so this saves putting unused things into the global keyring
[20:21] <jo-erlend> just need to figure out how to package and upload then.
[20:21] <jo-erlend> lifeless, sounds reasonable. Perhaps it should be mentioned in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware?
[20:21] <lifeless> perhaps
[20:21] <lifeless> perhaps we should change it, it seems to cause regular confusion
[20:22] <jo-erlend> or perhaps even better, the error message could mention that.
[20:22] <ScottK> wgrant: I was wondering if you could take a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/teeworlds/0.6.0-2~natty1/+build/2623702 . It's currently depwait on bam (>= 0.4), but it looks to me like that should be available.
[20:23] <lifeless> jo-erlend: thats a reasonable thing to report as a bug
[20:23] <jo-erlend> ok. :)
[20:23] <lifeless> jo-erlend: on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-software-properties
[20:24] <lifeless> bah
[20:24] <lifeless> jo-erlend: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-software-properties
[20:24] <jo-erlend> that doesn't exist?
[20:24] <lifeless> bah, binary package
[20:24] <lifeless> one sec
[20:25] <lifeless> jo-erlend: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties
[20:29] <jo-erlend> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/815562
[20:30] <jo-erlend> lifeless, thanks. :)
[20:49] <jo-erlend> I'm working on Quickly Widgets and now I would like to package and upload it to my PPA so I can test that applications that depend on it really does work, etc. I already have python-quickly.widgets installed from universe and I wish my package to replace that. What do I need to consider? Sorry if this is the wrong channel for that question.
[21:15] <lifeless> jo-erlend: #ubuntu-packaging may be better
[21:16] <jo-erlend> thanks. I need to learn this stuff quickly. It's really boring to program without being able to actually see the results. :)
[21:23] <KombuchaKip> For project todo list type functionality, what is the suggested way to use with Launchpad? Just use the bug tracker?
[21:25] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: sure
[21:26] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Thanks.
[21:26] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Maybe it would be useful if they added another bug type as "todo" since "wishlist" implies that some things might not be necessary.
[21:28] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: actuallym we want to revamp things quite a bit
[21:28] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Cool.
[21:28] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: get to a more evidence based model; wishlist doesn't really fit in the same dimension as the others
[21:28] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Yup
[21:28] <lifeless> and the others are both too granular for some, and not granular enough for others
[21:34] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Right.
[21:46] <kroq-gar78> KombuchaKip: blueprints?
[21:47] <KombuchaKip> kroq-gar78: Close, but I think it's too much work to create a blueprint every time some functionality not completed yet hasn't been done in a program or some such.
[21:48] <kroq-gar78> KumbuchaKip: or you could just create a TODO file in the master branch
[21:49] <kroq-gar78> and add it to bzr
[21:49] <KombuchaKip> kroq-gar78: Could, but it's not very friendly to non-developers working on the project (e.g. artwork).
[21:50] <kroq-gar78> KombuchaKip: OH! you mean others suggesting ideas. There are really only 3 ways: blueprints, bugs/wishlist bugs, TODO file
[21:50] <kroq-gar78> only ones that I can come up with
[21:52] <KombuchaKip> kroq-gar78: I think the bugs method seems to be the best way at present, but Launchpad really should have a TODO list as well.
[21:52] <kroq-gar78> yeah I agree. I think that's what they were trying to to with blueprints
[21:52] <kroq-gar78> I think they should make a list and THEN have them LINK to blueprints
[21:57] <lifeless> kroq-gar78: what would a separate list feature add?
[21:57] <lifeless> kroq-gar78: I mean: what could you do with it that you couldn't with bugs / blueprints, or why would it be better?
[22:01] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Well, just as there is an Overview, Code, Bugs, Blueprints, Translations, Answers, there might be a ToDo section as well. Just a simple list of things to do.
[22:01] <KombuchaKip> Is there any way to assign a bug to multiple assignees?
[22:01] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/IssueTracker
[22:02] <lifeless> we are combining Bugs and Blueprints
[22:02] <lifeless> so those being different tabs today is not a reason for adding a ToDo tab
[22:03] <lifeless> KombuchaKip: a single task can only be assigned to a single person-or-team at a time
[22:04] <KombuchaKip> lifeless: Fair enough.
[23:19] <andreas__> how can I nominate a bug for a specific release of ubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/813477
[23:19] <andreas__> I'm trying "also affects distribution" but it won't let me say it affects ubuntu
[23:19] <andreas__> it was fixed in oneiric, that's why it is "released", but now I want to add a task for lucid
[23:20] <tumbleweed> ahasenack: normal approach is to ask in #ubuntu-devel. core-devs can nominate main packages
[23:20] <lifeless> ahasenack: only bug supervisors can nominate for prior releases
[23:21] <lifeless> (which suggests we probably want to remove nominations as a misfeature)
[23:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: bug control can nominate, core-dev or PPU can approve
[23:21] <ahasenack> I used to be able to do it
[23:21] <ahasenack> hmm
[23:21] <tumbleweed> micahg: I don't seem to be able to nominate on that one
[23:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: you need to focus on the Ubuntu task
[23:21] <ahasenack> I vaguely remember a message from LP to me about something about to expire
[23:21] <ahasenack> probably my membership in that group
[23:21] <lifeless> ahasenack: it got changed, because it was drowning - approx every user was nominating their pet bug
[23:22] <ahasenack> I can see that happening
[23:22] <tumbleweed> micahg: uh, duh, is there any way to do that without editing the URL?
[23:23] <micahg> the three click solution (if you have the greasemonkey script installed), click on the source name on the task, click fix released bugs, click the bug you want
[23:26] <ahasenack> so is one of you doing it or should I ask in #ubuntu-devel?
[23:38] <DNS777> uhm i need more space in a ppa can some1 help here too? :]
[23:38] <DNS777> please
[23:43] <wgrant> ScottK: Oh dear. It's probably NoAutomatic...
[23:46] <micahg> DNS777: you can file a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad


 N4000 Celeron 1.10 Ghz … 2 gb Ram
[00:03] <wxl> i just did the same steps in a virtual machine limited to 1gb ram and it opened just fine
[00:04] <wxl> are you sure you don't have a faulty install?
[00:06] <guiverc> @QDrive, with 2gb of ram, be careful what extensions you have installed as a couple can use near 1gb of ram to operate leaving little left for some sites  (I'm very careful with extensions on 2gb of ram or less) but I'd do a ramtest on your box possibly first
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @QDrive, with 2gb of ram, be careful what extensions you have installe …], Thx for the tip, i tried again with single tab on both browser, working normal,
 I want to change open chrome browser by default, when open link from application … How to do that?
[00:31] <guiverc> @QDrive, refer https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.13/session_settings.html?highlight=default%20browser  but as I don't use chrome, I've not tried it with that browser
 Already tried didn't work,
 (Photo, 800x450) https://i.imgur.com/lJTmYkR.jpg
 (Photo, 800x450) https://i.imgur.com/Lbdyqde.jpg
[01:14] <wxl> @QDrive chrome is known to be problematic in this regard but also so is lxqt
[01:14] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
 Mainly chrome, though
 So go cry to Google
 How about chromium?
[10:23] <usney> Hello!
[10:24] <usney> How do I recover my saved luks password that I forgot? My system remembers it forever. But how do I find the file with the remembered password?
[10:38] <usney> I have the master kye
[10:57] <usney> nevermind I found it in the keyring
[14:53] <ahmad_> Hello
[14:53] <ahmad_> any body?
[16:20] <wxl> @QDrive if you're still here, the problem is still Google. chromium is just a more open source version of chrome.
 Damn my chrome got freeze again, only 5 tabs, 😣
 Cannot open ctrl+alt+del
[17:19] <wxl> i mean i wouldn't expect a lot out of 2gb if you're heavily using the web
[17:20] <wxl> regardless of the number of tabs
[17:20] <wxl> i.e. if you use any product by google, it will take over your entire system
[17:20] <wxl> like honestly you can run a whole separate email client and have it take up a smaller footprint than gmail on the web
[17:20] <wxl> it's ridiculous
[17:20] <wxl> google thinks they can own you in more ways than one
 Active tab is, 2 gdrive, 2googlegroup forum, 1 keep.google.com,  … I dont why g service like keep, docs and gdrive make lagging
[17:24] <wxl> because google assumes youre running a supercomputer
[17:24] <wxl> planned obsolescence works in more ways than one
 hello everyone! … i've a little problem w/ 19.10... … in every pc i've installed it, it randomly crash and i've to reboot my pc... … what do i have to do ?
[17:26] <wxl> @andybegh first are you sure that you're installing with the right iso/media? like did you check the hash on the iso or run the "check disc for defects" before isntalling? because if not, that might be the problem right there.
 @wxl [<wxl> @andybegh first are you sure that you're installing with the right iso/med …], yep, i've checked before install
[17:26] <wxl> @andybegh and what exactly is the nature of this crash?
 @wxl [<wxl> @andybegh and what exactly is the nature of this crash?], Idk it simply stops to work, nothing responds (like mouse or keyboard)... the stranger thing is that it happens randomly
[17:28] <wxl> @andybegh is the drive activity light running? can you hear the fan going off like crazy?
 @wxl [<wxl> @andybegh is the drive activity light running? can you hear the fan going …], The light runs and the fan speed is normal (they never going like a Boeing 767)
 I found many user got issue on chrome  … https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/24842699?hl=en
[17:30] <wxl> @andybegh the light running is a bad sign. my guess is you have some runaway application gobbling up your memory and forcing swapping to get a little too overzealous. how much ram you hve?
[17:31] <wxl> @QDrive problem solved: use firefox. mozilla won't be exploiting you for data, either.
 They have: … - 8gb … - 2gb … - 4gb
[17:32] <wxl> they???? XD
 @wxl [<wxl> @QDrive problem solved: use firefox. mozilla won't be exploiting you for d …], Ok i will back to firefox, how about Firefox version? Should i install to latest?
[17:32] <wxl> (oh man that colnago tho https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/24842699?hl=en&msgid=26146266)
[17:32] <wxl> @QDrive use the latest in the repos. don't make things more difficult for yourself.
 @wxl [<wxl> @QDrive use the latest in the repos. don't make things more difficult for …], Because lubuntu 19.10 include firefox 69 by default after apt update nothing change, make me wondering
[17:36] <wxl> @QDrive then you have something wrong because 73 is in security
[17:36] <wxl> !info firefox eoan
[17:37] <wxl> ^ see?
 @wxl [<wxl> they???? XD], Yep I have the same problem with 3PCs
[17:41] <wxl> @andybegh ok, that's just downright insane. are they the same machines?
 Nope, … One is a HP g6 laptop … The other one is a HP Workstation  … The last one is a ACER Netbook
[17:43] <wxl> fascinating
[17:44] <wxl> have you dug through the logs for any errors at all?
[20:28] <Noboru55> Hello everybody
[20:28] <Noboru55> Does someone know if can i install lubuntu 19.10 and change the lxqt for lxde ?
[20:29] <Noboru55> i try but, i can't like the qt
[20:29] <Noboru55> i know i can only install the lxde package, i mean if is it a bad idea or. it's ok
[20:32] <Noboru55> maybe if i install ubuntu 19 minimal and so lxde...
[20:33] <kc2bez> Noboru55: There is no meta package to install a lxde desktop.
[20:33] <Noboru55> ah..
[20:33] <Noboru55> what can i do ? :O
[20:33] <kc2bez> lxde development is all but non-existent
[20:35] <kc2bez> If you are after lxde you would need a different base (like Debian)
[20:35] <Noboru55> mmm
[20:35] <kc2bez> LXQt is where the development is though.
[20:35] <Noboru55> do you suggest to me install debain to use lxde?
[20:36] <kc2bez> I don't really suggest lxde.
[20:36] <Noboru55> i see
[20:36] <kc2bez> bugs are not really being addressed.
[20:37] <Noboru55> i understand
[20:44] <Noboru55> i do not understand much about qt, i know it runs not so fast lxde, i do not know if it happens because that plasma, compositor or what... maybe it's just euphoria
[20:44] <Noboru55> like* lxde
[20:48] <Noboru55> ok, i have no choice, better to install and learn about it
[20:48] <Noboru55> kc2bez thank you very much
[20:50] <kc2bez> We use openbox with LXQt just like lxde did. If it is not running as fast I really have no idea why. My tests have actually proved different.
[20:50] <Noboru55> mmm weird
[20:51] <Noboru55> i just wanted to know what can i disable at startup
[20:51] <Noboru55> there is a lot of things in qt...
[20:51] <kc2bez> qt is the base toolkit.
[20:56] <kc2bez> Qlipper is something that you can disable safely. It is a clipboard manager.
[20:56] <Noboru55> yes, it i will
[20:57] <kc2bez> You can also make sure compton is disabled if you don't need compositing.
[20:57] <Noboru55> i will disable it too
[20:57] <Noboru55> i will purge compton
[20:58] <kc2bez> I am not too sure it is necessary to go that far unless you are low on disk space too.
[20:59] <kc2bez> Even still I don't imagine it takes up much
[20:59] <Noboru55> i was thinking about
[20:59] <Noboru55> sudo apt purge noblenote compton qlipper trojita 2048-qt k3b apport plasma-discover muon snapd plasma-framework quassel
[21:00] <Noboru55> muon maybe i do not need to purge, because its like synaptic
[21:00] <kc2bez> I personally wouldn't purge them, it can pull other needed applications along with it.
[21:01] <kc2bez> I would disable the things you do need running so they don't use memory.
[21:01] <Noboru55> yes
[21:01] <Noboru55> omg, i had a work to do today... =/
[21:02] <Noboru55> g2g
[21:02] <Noboru55> kc2bez thank you!!!!
[21:02] <kc2bez> no problem, good luck!
[21:02] <Noboru55> :)
[21:09] <alex76> Hi, i'm trying to install lubuntu into an old pc.. but when i try to verify md5sum the iso and the usb mounted aren't the same, any idea?


[01:07] <sergio-br2> hey cjwatson, do you know what's the "epoch" equivalent string in the recipes ?
[01:07] <sergio-br2> {epoch}  ?
[01:14] <wgrant> sergio-br2: There's no variable for it; you have to include it in the version template manually.
[01:14] <sergio-br2> ok, thanks
[11:33] <slappymcfry> What is the best way to search through code in a project hosted on launchpad? Like github's "search this repository".
[20:44] <haasn> Am I stupid or is it virtually *impossible* to find an overview of the syntax used in launchpad's bug tracker?
[20:44] <haasn> I've been googling for 10 minutes on how to create a code block, and I can't “trial and error” it either because there's no “preview” button
[20:44] <haasn> nor can I create a comment and then edit it
[20:47] <haasn> I feel like I must have exhaustively searched through the entirety of https://help.launchpad.net/ by now and I still haven't found one sentence concerning the syntax, or how to make code blocks - or anybody else asking online
[20:47] <dobey> there is no special syntax. it's plain text
[20:47] <haasn> No code blocks in comments, then?
[20:47] <dobey> no
[20:48] <dobey> if you have a suggestion for a change, you can attach a diff
[20:49] <haasn> Would it be that hard to get e.g. basic markdown support into launchpad? Seems like every other bug tracker on planet earth has at least some form of syntax support for emphasis, pre-formatted text, etc.
[20:51] <haasn> Sorry if I come across as frustrated, it just sort of agitates me whenever a project's bug tracker is actively fighting my ability to contribute to the project. Launchpad has certainly been doing that every time I want to use it :(
[20:53] <wgrant> Launchpad comments are always monospaced, so the only thing code blocks would give you would be slightly more control over intra-line spacing and potentially syntax highlighting.
[20:54] <wgrant> We'd like to add Markdown to comments, but that has certain complex requirements around editing, previews etc. that require significant policy decisions.
[20:54] <haasn> Ah, with them always being monospace it makes a bit more sense now - I was not aware of this
[20:54] <wgrant> (yes, the comment input box isn't currently monospace, which is very weird)
[20:55] <haasn> Rather my browser always displays everything in monospace so I can't really tell when something *is* actually monospace
[20:55] <haasn> But I don't understand this: How does this implicate policy? It's not like the ability to use markdown + adding a preview dialog needs any drastic changes to the permission model or whatever
[20:55] <haasn> Seems like in principle it would be a matter of somebody implementing it, posting a diff, and it being merged
[20:56] <haasn> Since there's not much to discuss in terms of it being an improvement, or is there?
[20:57] <wgrant> The problem is that typos are more common and problematic in Markdown, so editing becomes a harder requirement.
[20:57] <wgrant> And comment editing isn't currently supported, because of the complex policy issues surrounding it.
[20:58] <haasn> Isn't that the point of a preview box? :p
[20:58] <haasn> (If you want to make typos hard make the preview a “live” preview that updates itself on changes)
[21:01] <haasn> But isn't this a bit over-thinking / bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy? I don't see, say, github agonizing over whether users should be allowed to edit their own comments after posting them :p
[21:03] <wgrant> GitHub's notoriously over-zealous with allowing editing.
[21:03] <wgrant> Repo owners can even edit others' comments on their repos.
[21:03] <wgrant> It's very open to abuse.
[21:03] <haasn> I've worked with hundreds of projects on github and not once has this hindered the growth of free software in any way
[21:03] <haasn> At least in my experience
[21:03] <wgrant> There's also the problem that people are already confused that when they delete their comments they might already have been emailed out.
[21:04] <wgrant> These problems are not impossible to solve, but they are substantially more complicated than they initially seem.
[21:04] <haasn> You can make a problem as complicated as you want but that doesn't mean there's any point in agonizing over it if the real world _impact_ is zero
[21:05] <haasn> Nobody agonizes over the metaphysical ramifications of “x += 1” when writing a line of code?
[21:05] <haasn> s/?//
[21:05] <wgrant> There is real-world impact.
[21:05] <wgrant> Just because you haven't seen it on the projects you work on doesn't mean it's not there.
[21:06] <dobey> and your inability to use formatting in comments does not hinder your ability to contribute. it simply means you can't do it with pink text
[21:07] <dobey> (also, launchpad is open source, so you are totally welcome to work on patches to enable some formatting, with the expectation that they will be reviewed when you submit them) :)
[21:07] <haasn> What makes launchpad's projects special in the way that they run into these issues more than projects hosted on other websites?
[21:08] <haasn> (The fact that they're written by companies large enough that bureaucracy starts getting in the way of code, I guess? :p)
[21:09] <dobey> github choosing to ignore problems doesn't mean those problems don't exist
[22:40] <nacc> is there a simple way for me to indicate one bug (e.g., a request for a new version of a package which really is a set of packages) is blocked by another bug (e.g., an update of one of those specific packages)? not finding anything obvious in the UI immediately
[23:06] <nacc> nm, i see how it's meant to be done, i think