[00:22] <knon> can anyone help with a problem mounting SSD _
[00:27] <roger_> knon: what's the problem?
[00:27] <knon> Thank you for answering
[00:28] <knon> I got files on SD , I can mount no problem but as soon as i copy or do anything to the files the SD goes offline - running Mint Blue
[00:29] <roger_> knon: you can cd to the directory and ls the gilee?
[00:31] <knon> yes
[00:31] <knon> I can see all the files until i try to open any of them
[00:32] <knon> i suspect a problem with partion header - is a fat32
[00:34] <abmoraz> Hello
[00:34] <abmoraz> can someone give me a hand?
[00:34] <abmoraz> I did a fresh install of kubuntu 11.10 and my apt sources are broke out of the gate
[00:35] <roger_> knon: did you run a chkdsk against it?
[00:35] <roger_> abmoraz: what would you like?
[00:35] <knon> i did it did not work
[00:36] <abmoraz> I've tried switching them and everyone gives me a "Hash Sum invalid"
[00:36] <abmoraz> or something of that nature
[00:36] <abmoraz> one second, I will paste the error
[00:37] <knon> i tried partition magic too
[00:37] <bazhang> hash sum mismatch?
[00:38] <abmoraz> yes, that
[00:38] <bazhang> just got that one
[00:38] <abmoraz> hash sum mismatch
[00:38] <abmoraz> I get it no matter what repository I choos
[00:38] <roger_> knon: the chkdsk failed?
[00:38] <abmoraz> *choose
[00:38] <knon> yes
[00:39] <abmoraz> I have tried using apt-get -f and --fix-missing
[00:39] <abmoraz> neither work
[00:39] <roger_> knon: possibly the disk is corrupted? hve you tried testdisk on it?
[00:39] <abmoraz> I have removed the partial debs
[00:39] <abmoraz> no avail
[00:39] <knon> chkdsk is win right ?
[00:40] <bazhang> abmoraz, removed the folder?
[00:40] <abmoraz> bazhang: what have you tried so far?
[00:41] <roger_> knon: yes
[00:41] <roger_> testdisk is linux
[00:41] <bazhang> knon, perhaps he meant fsck
[00:41] <knon> i think this partition is gone but if I can see the files i should be somehow able to get them off the medium ...
[00:41] <knon> i tried testdisk
[00:41] <abmoraz> no, just the broken debs and sources in each respective partial folder (/var/cache/apt/archive/partial/ and /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/)
[00:41] <roger_> it's a fat32 disk. I meant chkdsk though at this point it doesn't make a difference
[00:41] <bazhang> abmoraz, how did you delete those
[00:42] <roger_> that's going to be the issue if it's a partition error. if the chipset is messed up though then it maybe that youc an't remove anything from the drive without bypassing the firmware
[00:42] <abmoraz> bazhang: sudo rm /var/apt/cache/archive/partial/*
[00:43] <bazhang> abmoraz, and the subsequent apt-get update had the same issue?
[00:43] <abmoraz> I've been pulling my hair out over this issue for 2 days now.  I have re-installed 5 times and still get the same error every time
[00:43] <abmoraz> bazhang: yes
[00:44] <abmoraz> I am running kubuntu 11.10 amd 64
[00:44] <bazhang> removing the ones from /var/lib/apt/partial fixed it here
[00:44] <abmoraz> ok, I will try that
[00:44] <bazhang> let me just double check it still is ok
[00:44] <abmoraz> I was removing the partial debs (According to some forum posts)
[00:44] <abmoraz> I will try the partial lists
[00:45] <knon> what firmware?
[00:45] <roger_> on the SSD
[00:45] <roger_> lets' go with good thoughts and presume it's a software configuration error
[00:46] <knon> no firmware on there as i formatted the whole thing
[00:46] <roger_> hard drives noawadays are so propietary that if somethign goes wrong your data is screwed without an electron microscope
[00:46] <abmoraz> bazhang: ok, no errors on update
[00:47] <roger_> knon: Your firmware would survive the formatting. It is what would do the formatting
[00:47] <abmoraz> bazhang: but errors on the upgrade
[00:48] <abmoraz> bazhang: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/smbclient_3.5.11~dfsg-1ubuntu2.1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[00:48] <bazhang> abmoraz, yep, it's back here after being fixed momentarily. will have to check launchpad for the specific bug and comments for possible workarounds
[00:48] <knon> sorry i meant to say SD no SSD
[00:49] <abmoraz> bazhang: what is launchpad?
[00:49] <knon> it is just  a little chip as used in cameras and phones
[00:49] <bazhang> abmoraz, where the bugs are noted and addressed
[00:49] <abmoraz> knon: are you trying to mount an SD chip to your linux?
[00:49] <bazhang> !bugs
[00:50] <knon> yes
[00:50] <knon> via usb of course
[00:50] <abmoraz> I had an issue with that at work last week.  I had to use a different USB mount for it.
[00:51] <abmoraz> I got a 32GB SD chip, but my old USB SD adapter wouldn't handle it
[00:51] <knon> 32gb it is
[00:51] <abmoraz> it would mount my old 2GB SD chip fine.  I borrowed a co-worker's USB adapter and it worked fine with my 32GB SD chip
[00:52] <knon> tried 3 so far
[00:52] <knon> will explore this as you may be right although 1 of them came with the chip
[00:53] <abmoraz> it may not be the same issue, then
[00:53] <abmoraz> I would assume that the one that game witht he ship would work
[00:53] <abmoraz> *came with the chip
[00:53] <knon> thing is the whole set-up worked initially and then stopped working
[00:53] <abmoraz> afk a few minutes to switch laundry
[00:54] <roger_> abmoraz: it mounted but then unmounted when you looked at the files?
[00:55] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/82747/update-manager-not-working   abmoraz this one, correct?
[00:55] <knon> yes that happens now but before i could save to the device and read/write everything
[01:01] <abmoraz> bazhang: yes
[01:01] <abmoraz> bazhang: wait, no
[01:02] <abmoraz> bazhang: same final error, but the start of the error is different
[01:02] <roger_> knon: when did this start?
[01:02] <abmoraz> bazhang: I am not seeing signature errors
[01:02] <bazhang> so my hash sum mismatch errors are gone, and now I got that. wunderbar
[01:03] <knon> 2 days
[01:03] <knon> started while saving to the device - was not even full
[01:04] <roger_> knon: who makes the device ?
[01:04] <knon> anyway i will keep searching for solutions - should have backed up of course
[01:04] <knon> sandisk
[01:05] <roger_> knon: does it support SMART ?
[01:05] <knon> no
[01:05] <roger_> might want to run smartmontools on it if it does
[01:06] <roger_> if not then look on sandisk's site if they have an integrity tool
[01:06] <roger_> Disks do fail
[01:06] <knon> ok
[01:06] <knon> it is the partition header i am certain
[01:07] <abmoraz> here is the error I get when running "sudo apt-get update"
[01:07] <abmoraz> Get:31 http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric-updates/universe amd64 Packages [97.4 kB]
[01:07] <abmoraz> 99% [23 Packages bzip2 0 B] [31 Packages 1,533 B/97.4 kB 1%]                                              584 kB/s 0s
[01:07] <abmoraz> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[01:07] <abmoraz>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[01:07] <abmoraz> It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
[01:07] <FloodBotK1> abmoraz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:08] <roger_> knon: testdisk should be able to list the files and pull them then
[01:09] <knon> it failed sadly
[01:11] <bazhang> abmoraz, well it seems I fixed the hash sum mismatch by deleting the partial folder
[01:11] <knon> once the sd goes offline I have to reinsert it and it mounts again
[01:12] <abmoraz> bazhang: try and do an "apt-get upgrade" and see if it really fixed
[01:12] <bazhang> then switching servers on the subsequent update got rid of the linked one abovce
[01:12] <bazhang> update and upgrade yep
[01:13] <knon> must go cheers everyone
[01:13] <abmoraz> which server did you witch to?
[01:13] <abmoraz> I will try that one, no matter how far away it is :)
[01:13] <bazhang> another one , same country
[01:14] <bazhang> was tw.archive switched to some other tw
[01:18] <bazhang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/914936
[01:18] <bazhang> but ec2 is the cloud iirc
[01:20] <abmoraz> I found another guy who had the problem and he is using the same NIC card I am.  I'm gonna swap it out and see if that helps
[01:20] <abmoraz> thanks for the help.  good luck
[01:22] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1905494 abmoraz
[01:22] <bazhang> augh
[02:20] <abmoraz> bazhang: that's what it was.  I switched out my NIC and everything is working fine now
[02:20] <abmoraz> bazhang: thank you for your help earlier
[02:20] <bazhang> welcome
[02:42] <doomon> hey
[02:44] <Ho^Oh> How can I install KDE without apps like their text editor and such?
[02:47] <doomon> question, does kubuntu 32bit support 8GB ram?
[02:56] <mgolden> Question: last night I noticed a large number of changes that made it to the kubuntu-ppa/beta repository.  When I applied them, I found that I could no longer log in to my system - after it accepted the password nothing much happened.  I removed the beta repository from my list and purged all the packages and it fixed the situation.
[02:57] <mgolden> I noticed in my .xsession-errors what seems to be a problem in nepomuk or Soprano
[02:57] <mgolden> Anyway, I now see what seems to be a similar set of packages appearing, I think in the backports repository
[02:58] <mgolden> Anyone know what these are?
[02:58] <TorpedoSkyline> mgolden: Are you working with the next version of Kubuntu? You should probably be in #kubuntu+1
[02:59] <mgolden> Ah, ok
[02:59] <TorpedoSkyline> np mgolden
[02:59] <mgolden> I am still running 11.10 not 12.04
[02:59] <mgolden> but I do have the 4.8 KDE installed
[02:59] <mgolden> Should I go there?
[03:08] <almoxarife> mgolden: its a bug, i see it too
[03:28] <mgolden> almoxarife: And if I apply the recent update from backports it'll break my machine?
[03:29] <almoxarife> mgolden: i doubt it, i apply every update that comes along, do you mean the updates i am seeing avail right now?
[03:30] <mgolden> Yes, they look just like the updates in the beta repository that I applied yesterday, and then I couldn't log in
[03:30] <mgolden> I took the beta repository out and purged all the packages.
[03:30] <almoxarife> mgolden: but i will tell you in a sec as i am about to install them
[03:31] <mgolden> OK
[03:31] <almoxarife> brb
[03:31] <mgolden> OTOH, if you can't log in you won't be able to reply!
[03:31] <mgolden> :)
[03:31] <almoxarife> mgolden: wth, its just another issue to resolve :)
[03:33] <almoxarife> if it all crashes i have the install iso for 12.04 kubuntu
[03:33] <mgolden> almoxarife: good luck!
[03:33] <almoxarife> mgolden: installing right now
[03:34] <mgolden> almoxarife: logging out and re-logging in should be sufficient to see it;
[03:34] <almoxarife> mgolden: got you
[03:36] <mgolden> almoxarife: actually, now that I think of it, I think I restarted X as well
[03:36] <almoxarife> mgolden: a nice cold boot should prove or disprove
[03:36] <mgolden> almoxarife: yes
[03:37] <almoxarife> mgolden: is there suppose to be a work around?
[03:37] <mgolden> almoxarife: I came here to find out!
[03:38] <mgolden> almoxarife: IOW, no idea
[03:38] <almoxarife> mgolden: stick around then, the install is about complete
[03:38] <mgolden> almoxarife: glued to the scrren
[03:39] <almoxarife> mgolden: going to log out/in brb
[03:41] <almoxarife> still here
[03:43] <almoxarife> mgolden: no issues found
[03:43] <mgolden> almoxarife: so the kubuntu-backports one is okay, but kubuntu-beta isn't?
[03:43] <almoxarife> mgolden: i have both ppa's, which updated?
[03:44] <pazhitox> que tal
[03:44] <almoxarife> nada
[03:44] <pazhitox> hola hola
[03:44] <pazhitox> :D
[03:44] <mgolden> almoxarife: last night it was beta, but now I guess it looks like backports
[03:44] <pazhitox> creo que ando un poco perdido
[03:44] <pazhitox> D:
[03:45] <almoxarife> sim, fala engles
[03:45] <pazhitox> ah pero hay que hablar ingles ?
[03:45] <almoxarife> mgolden: i am guessing its safe
[03:45] <mgolden> Good to know, I'll try it tomorrow
[03:45] <almoxarife> yeap pazhitox, english
[03:46] <mgolden> almoxarife: too much to do tonight
[03:46] <mgolden> almoxarife: thanks, BTW
[03:46] <mgolden> almoxarife: do you know where we should be reporting this problem that we saw on the beta channel?
[03:46] <mgolden> almoxarife: I don't even know what application/package caused it
[03:46] <pazhitox> Pero soy de chile solo hablo español :'(
[03:47] <almoxarife> mgolden: the soprano error ?
[03:47] <mgolden> almoxarife: Well, the problem logging in
[03:47] <mgolden> almoxarife: I don't know if it was the Soprano error that was causing it
[03:47] <mgolden> almoxarife: It was just what I saw in the .xsession-errors
[03:48] <almoxarife> mgolden: i cant duplicate the login error, the soprano error is something i see being googled and no fix found
[03:49] <mgolden> almoxarife: So you never saw the login problem, just the soprano problem?
[03:49] <almoxarife> mgolden: correct
[03:49] <mgolden> almoxarife: makes me nervous
[03:49] <mgolden> almoxarife: I suppose I'll just have to try it
[03:50] <pazhitox> ALMOXARIFE: Como me voy a una sala de chat que hablen español?
[03:50] <almoxarife> mgolden: the soprano error is easy enough to correct in user session, kill the kactivitiesd
[03:50] <mgolden> pazhitox: que problema tiene?  (Hablo poco)
[03:51] <almoxarife> pazhitox: aki se ninguen tiene problema
[03:51] <mgolden> almoxarife: What was its symptom for you
[03:51] <pazhitox> how I'm going to a chat room to speak Spanish?
[03:51] <almoxarife> mgolden: none, i just noticed the xsessions log indicating the error every 5 sec
[03:52] <Snowhog> !sp | pazhitox
[03:52] <Unit193> !es
[03:52] <pazhitox> thank you very much :)
[03:53] <almoxarife> mgolden: my not seeing symptoms may have to do with the fat-free settings i use
[03:55] <mgolden> almoxarife: Those being?
[03:55] <mgolden> almoxarife: I am just using the defaults
[03:55] <mgolden> almoxarife: I suspect, from what you say, that the login problem has nothing to do with the Soprano issue
[03:56] <almoxarife> mgolden: i would agree
[03:58] <mgolden> almoxarife: sux
[03:58] <mgolden> almoxarife: you know any way to debug the failure of KDE to start?
[03:58] <almoxarife> mgolden: what happens at login?
[03:59] <mgolden> almoxarife: the login box disappears
[03:59] <mgolden> almoxarife: and then nothing
[03:59] <almoxarife> black screen?
[03:59] <mgolden> almoxarife: no, it stays blue
[03:59] <mgolden> almoxarife: just no rectangle with the startup stuff in it
[04:00] <mgolden> almoxarife: when I switch to a terminal to look at things, and then switch back, then it's black
[04:00] <almoxarife> mgolden: try uninstall kdm and re-install?
[04:00] <mgolden> almoxarife: good idea
[04:00] <mgolden> almoxarife: what I did try was creating a new user
[04:01] <mgolden> almoxarife: with no profile
[04:01] <almoxarife> mgolden: or install lightdm just to see
[04:01] <mgolden> almoxarife: tried loggin in as him, same result
[04:01] <almoxarife> mgolden: purge kdm and install fresh
[04:01] <mgolden> almoxarife: you know where this stuff is logged?
[04:02] <almoxarife> mgolden: in syslog and kern.log
[04:02] <almoxarife> mgolden: perhaps also xorg.0.log
[04:02] <mgolden> almoxarife: saw nothing much in syslog, didn't think about kern
[04:03] <mgolden> almoxarife: you think it would be an xorg thing?
[04:03] <almoxarife> mgolden: might as well look
[04:04] <mgolden> almoxarife: will do
[04:33] <jorge> alguien que hable español
[04:33] <jorge> ?
[04:34] <Unit193> !es
[04:34] <jorge> necesito aser unca consulta
[04:34] <Unit193> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en  el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.
[04:34] <jorge> tengo un problema con mi tarjeta
[04:37] <jorge> tengo un problema con mi tarjeta
[04:37] <jorge> de video
[04:37] <jorge> soy novato y no pude intalarla
[04:37] <almoxarife> jorge: what is 'tarjeta'?
[04:38] <mgolden> almoxarife: card
[04:38] <almoxarife> jorge: ke problema?
[04:40] <almoxarife> se fue iguess
[04:40] <mgolden> parece
[05:01] <alex_k>
[06:05] <Linuxephus> So what's the take on Ubuntu dropping support for Kubuntu in the coming months? Is that going to effect future releases in a negative way? Personally I don't think so.
[06:08] <Tm_T> Linuxephus: Ubuntu isn't dropping any support (:
[06:14] <Linuxephus> Ubuntu isn't dropping support for Kubuntu or KDE in general as per an article published on Zdnet last week?
[06:16] <mgolden> Linuxephus: Canonical is dropping paid support for Kubuntu.  JRiddell will not be working on it during his job hours.  Other than that no change
[06:16] <mgolden> Linuxephus: Unless you have a support contract for Kubuntu, you probably won't notice
[06:19] <Linuxephus> mgolden: That's right. I just went back over the article in question. I had a few of my details mixed up. Good news mixed up aforehand.
[06:20] <mgolden> Linuxephus: Partly the confusion was brought about by Riddell's somewhat philosopical post announcing the change.  Non-careful readers may have thought that there was some possibility of Kubuntu going away
[06:22] <Linuxephus> Exactly. All in all though, it's good to know that it's not a complete negative situation for Kubuntu in those regards.
[06:26] <Linuxephus> This "auto nickname" completion with-out tabbing it is beginning to be a painfull annoyance.
[06:45] <nixmaniack> hi, I'm getting this error. -> http://i.imgur.com/pp9uZ.png
[06:45] <nixmaniack> i'm not able to connect to my WiFi
[08:46] <argentum> anyone home?
[08:47] <bazhang> argentum, whats the issue
[08:47] <argentum> um
[08:47] <argentum> just checking in; seeing if anyone is active at this hour
[08:47] <argentum> I was wondering though; if anyone has experience running a hackintosh virtual machine
[08:49] <bazhang> dont think thats allowed. iirc only mac os x servers are legally available for virtualization
[08:49] <argentum> you mean
[08:49] <argentum> discussion of non-legal mac servers
[08:49] <argentum> is prohibited by the governance of this IRC?
[08:50] <bazhang> you should ask in a ##macos channel
[08:50] <argentum> you're eright
[08:50] <bazhang> nothing to do with Kubuntu support
[08:50] <argentum> right
[08:50] <argentum> I understand
[08:50] <bazhang> try alis
[08:50] <bazhang> !alis
[08:50] <argentum> thank you
[08:50] <argentum> !alis
[08:51] <argentum> I'll be sure to come here when I have any serious issues;
[08:51] <argentum> thank you very much for your responsiveness
[09:28] <faLUCE> Hi. I'm using a 8 channels video card based on saa7134 chip. I can see good images for 5 channels simoultaneously. But when I add the remaining channels, the quality decreases very strongly and I see horrible lines when there is a motion on the video. how can I solve?
[09:57] <Anypotaktos> anyone can help me?
[10:00] <Anypotaktos> my kopete cant connect on msn acc
[10:02] <Anypotaktos> This means Kopete cannot reach the instant messaging server or peers.
[10:02] <Anypotaktos> This can be because either your internet access is down or the server is experiencing problems.  Ready?
[10:19] <ubuntu> yep
[10:19] <L3top> open file manager
[10:19] <L3top> locate and select drive
[10:19] <ubuntu> dolphin if open
[10:19] <L3top> ctrl l
[10:19] <L3top> see the path?
[10:19] <L3top> prob /media/disk
[10:19] <L3top> or something like that
[10:20] <L3top> thats a lowercase L btw
[10:21] <L3top> you with me?
[10:21] <ubuntu> how can I switch to french keymap please
[10:21] <ubuntu> yep I see 4 folder in mediq
[10:21] <ubuntu> media
[10:22] <L3top> I just want the raw path to your disk...
[10:22] <ubuntu> the /
[10:22] <L3top> if you press ctrl l with the disk selected in dolphin, it will show you the path
[10:22] <ubuntu> /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/
[10:22] <L3top> great
[10:22] <L3top> open a terminal
[10:23] <ubuntu> yep
[10:23] <L3top> sudo su
[10:23] <ubuntu> ok
[10:23] <L3top> mkdir /mnt/recover
[10:23] <L3top> wait
[10:23] <L3top> we dont need that
[10:24] <ubuntu> ok
[10:24] <L3top> mount none -t proc /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/proc
[10:25] <L3top> mount none -t devpts /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/dev/pts
[10:25] <L3top> mount none -t sysfs /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/sys
[10:25] <L3top> chroot  /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08
[10:26] <L3top> apt-get install kde-standard
[10:26] <ubuntu> bash: /dev/null: Permission non accordée
[10:26] <L3top> sorry
[10:26] <ubuntu> for the last line
[10:26] <L3top> for which command
[10:26] <L3top> chroot?
[10:26] <ubuntu> yes
[10:26] <L3top> chroot /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/
[10:27] <L3top> throw a / on the end
[10:27] <ubuntu> oO
[10:27] <ubuntu> # chroot /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/
[10:27] <ubuntu> chroot: impossible de changer le répertoire racine vers /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[10:28] <L3top> ok
[10:28] <L3top> impossible I understand
[10:28] <L3top> one second
[10:28] <ubuntu> ok
[10:29] <L3top> before we go further...
[10:30] <L3top> cat /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/etc/X11/default-display-manager
[10:31] <ubuntu> cat: /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/etc/X11/default-display-manager: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[10:31] <L3top> Can you translate that for me
[10:31] <ubuntu> no file exist
[10:31] <ubuntu> or directory
[10:32] <L3top> ...
[10:32] <L3top> when you click on your drive
[10:32] <L3top> what do you see as contents?
[10:32] <L3top> in dolphin I mean
[10:32] <ubuntu> yes
[10:33] <L3top> do you have a normal /bin /boot /etc etc?
[10:34] <ubuntu> yes
[10:35] <L3top> cd /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/etc
[10:35] <L3top> cd X11
[10:36] <L3top> ls
[10:36] <L3top> assuming you have an X11
[10:37] <ubuntu> root@ubuntu:/media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/etc/X11# ls
[10:37] <ubuntu> app-defaults             X                 xorg.conf.p  Xsession.d
[10:37] <ubuntu> cursors                  xinit             Xreset       Xsession.options
[10:37] <ubuntu> default-display-manager  xkb               Xreset.d     Xwrapper.config
[10:37] <ubuntu> fonts                    xorg.conf.backup  Xresources
[10:37] <FloodBotK1> ubuntu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:37] <ubuntu> rgb.txt                  xorg.conf.old     Xsession
[10:37] <L3top> I clearly see a default-display-manager
[10:38] <L3top> must have typoed... sorry
[10:38] <L3top> cat defau*
[10:38] <ubuntu> /usr/bin/kdm
[10:39] <L3top> hmmm...
[10:39]  * L3top doesnt know why we cant chroot either...
[10:39] <L3top> can you boot into the system?
[10:39] <L3top> to a prompt?
[10:40] <L3top> or arre you on it now to be here?
[10:40] <ubuntu> yes
[10:40] <ubuntu> I have try to repear with recovery mode
[10:41] <L3top> Is this possibly a grub error?
[10:41] <ubuntu> * had tryied
[10:41] <L3top> this is a grub thing then I think...
[10:42] <ubuntu> no grub error in boot sequence
[10:42] <L3top> but if it was just the desktop not loading, you wouldnt be in recovery mode
[10:42] <L3top> you would just be sitting at a prompt
[10:44] <L3top> If I cannot chroot in, I dont think I can help... something is very broken.
[10:44] <L3top> umount -lf /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/dev/pts
[10:44] <ubuntu> I have try to add the cd rom to apt
[10:45] <L3top> umount -lf /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/proc
[10:45] <L3top> umount -lf /media/ac257c06-88ea-495d-a6bc-7ca9cc093a08/sys
[10:45] <L3top> before moving on, just cause.
[10:46] <ubuntu> I reboot
[10:46] <ubuntu> thx for your help
[11:26] <kbroulik> why does the kubuntu live session do a better job in detecting screen configuration than an installed kubuntu? on the live cd, I just started it and all the monitors had perfectly native resolution, I had to rearrange them which was okay, but otherwise it worked fine. on the installed, I mostly end up with one monitor being disabled or me not able to wake that monitor up from standby, sometimes it's one monitor, sometimes both
[11:26] <kbroulik> stay offline …
[11:29] <L3top> I believe that the live cd is using vesa drivers
[11:30] <L3top> and linux support from hw manufacturers suck in large part.
[11:30] <L3top> however if you want to take advantage of the capabilities of the card
[11:30] <L3top> you have to use their driver/config tools
[11:31] <L3top> vesa drivers work on almost anything
[11:31] <L3top> but are very limited. WOuldnt wanna watch video on em prob.
[11:32] <kbroulik> L3top: well the vesa drivers are the basic 2d only stuff?
[11:32] <kbroulik> but it was composited, even wobbly windows worked
[11:35] <L3top> I find that confusing
[11:35] <L3top> oh wait
[11:35] <L3top> Im still thinking xorg stuff.
[11:36] <kbroulik> I use the radeon drivers here and they work quite well, I can play all my favorite games in maximum settings but … that it just doesnt remember the monitor config properly sucks
[11:36] <L3top> ati linux stuff is a pain.
[11:36] <kbroulik> I come from nvidia and it isnt better either
[11:36] <L3top> I would argue that.
[11:37] <kbroulik> the nouveau driver just doesnt work on my machine
[11:37] <kbroulik> it crashes reproducibly once there is more than one monitor attached
[11:37] <L3top> oh gosh no... nouveau is not awesome.
[11:37] <L3top> but the glx stuff is quite nice
[11:37] <L3top> accelleration vdpau...
[11:38] <kbroulik> problem with the open source drivers is their automatic monitor detection
[11:38] <kbroulik> and this sucks and screws upt he config everytime you restart the machine
[11:38] <kbroulik> because … well … it's not in a config file but generated on startup
[11:38] <kbroulik> funny that Plymouth (the start screen) does a perfect job in finding the correct resolution while X just messes it all up
[11:38] <L3top> you can get around that
[11:38] <L3top> creating an xorg
[11:38] <L3top> it will default to that.
[11:39] <L3top> We use proprietary drivers because of the media heavy stuff we do.
[11:40] <L3top> and ati is going to put me in an early grave
[11:40] <L3top> lol
[11:40] <kbroulik> I also used the proprietary nvidia driver because nouveau was not usable
[11:40] <kbroulik> but now I am not going to install a proprietary driver again
[11:41] <kbroulik> because they also suck
[11:41] <kbroulik> well all sucks
[11:41] <kbroulik> that's sad
[11:41] <FloodBotK1> kbroulik: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:41] <L3top> well... again... the nvidia stuff plays much nicer.
[11:42] <kbroulik> nouveau crashed frequently, nvidia-current is slow as hell … fglrx ruins the entire system, radeon works perfectly except for that screen detection thingie
[11:42] <kbroulik> I am jealous on my mom's computer … she just has an Intel onboard, and I never had problems with it
[11:42] <L3top> what nvidia card are you using?
[11:42] <kbroulik> I was using a Geforce 250 GTS
[11:42] <L3top> shouldnt use current
[11:43] <kbroulik> huh?
[11:43] <L3top> nvidia-glx-290
[11:43] <L3top> er...
[11:43] <kbroulik> whatever, I just installed nvidia-current and that's all ^^
[11:43] <L3top> 260
[11:44] <L3top> current is the 295
[11:44] <kbroulik> okay …
[11:44] <L3top> 260 is much better and the opposite of slow
[11:44] <kbroulik> I dont care … I dont have that card in my machine anymore :D Now I got a Sapphire Radeon HD6870
[11:44] <L3top> for that card
[11:45] <L3top> I would think that fglrx would be the direction for that one
[11:45] <L3top> a much better driver, but... finicky
[11:45] <kbroulik> fglrx left me with an unbootable system
[11:45] <L3top> you are running multiple monitors?
[11:45] <kbroulik> fglrx is just causing trouble … both on my computer and my notebook
[11:45] <kbroulik> yes
[11:45] <L3top> our project wouldn't suit you.
[11:45] <kbroulik> I have three monitors
[11:46] <kbroulik> one attached on DP, the other two on DVI
[11:47] <L3top> I have to write all of the autodetection/driver install stuff... and as I said... ATI has been the bane of my existence the last few months.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:59] <jonah> hi trying to change desktop icons but they won't save. also my menu editor won't work and wine apps aren't showing up on my kmenu so would like to add them in but when i do they're still not there. any suggestions what may be causing it?
[15:59] <jonah> thanks
[16:07] <BluesKaj> jonah,  open system serttings>workspace appearence and application appearance to finalize your settings , when making changes make sure you click apply
[16:09] <Riddell> !testers
[16:09] <Riddell> new images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120225/
[16:09] <jonah> BluesKaj: hi thanks but it's when I right click an icon on the desktop to change the icon to another. for example there's a text file on the desktop, so i click it and choose an icon with a notepad desig on instead of the default and press save and it stays the same as how it was already
[16:11] <jonah> BluesKaj: then also my wine menu doesn't have photoshop or dreamweaver entries, even though i installed them and they run if i find them in dolphin. so i tried to add entries by pressing right click on the kmenu icon and edit menu / add application, enter it all in and press save then exit out and it's not on the menu still. then i click menu editor again and what i added has dissappeared...
[16:21] <excognac> hi all
[16:23] <excognac> I am debugging print problems with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems I did atep four i. e. sudo ls -1 /var/spool/cups but there is no file beginning with d
[16:23] <excognac> what shall i do now?
[16:25] <excognac> *step 4
[16:31] <BluesKaj> excognac , reboot and the prinbter should be recognized
[16:32] <excognac> BluesKaj: prtinter is recognized but does not print, I reported a back. I think you also tried to help me with this issue last week
[16:33] <excognac> *back=gug
[16:33] <excognac> bug
[16:33] <BluesKaj> yes , dell printer ?
[16:36] <excognac> yup
[16:39] <excognac> Ignore it. my fault
[16:39] <BluesKaj> excognac,  have you run the printer wizard in system settings>printer configuration?
[16:40] <excognac> BluesKaj: I did, 10 times. Never helped.
[16:42] <BluesKaj> which driver is it recommending ...try some alternatives if there are any listed
[16:44] <excognac> I've tried all. None of them worked
[16:45] <BluesKaj> did you reboot in between driver installs ?
[16:48] <excognac> I did
[16:50] <BluesKaj> and the printr show up with lsusb in the terminal ?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> printer shows
[16:50] <excognac> yes
[16:50] <excognac> the printer is recognized
[16:51] <excognac> just does not print, only the text page. Now I am trying to follow the debugging manual
[16:51] <BluesKaj> wel, that's a start ...sounds like a drive rissue to me ...wonder about dell linx support , is there any?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> it prints the test page ? then make sure you click "ok" after it prints , not before .that "sets" the print settings
[16:52] <excognac> yes, they shipped the printer with a cd with install.sh on it. Either I ran it from the disk or HDD with chmod +x, it always has logged me off from kubuntu
[16:53] <excognac> and the dell software never worked
[16:54] <excognac> same if i download it from their webpage
[16:54] <meNtha> hey guys
[16:54] <meNtha> i have a little problem
[16:55] <BluesKaj> excognac, , well dunno how to help otherwise
[16:55] <meNtha> my cpu is on 100%  cause virtuoso -t use 90%/
[16:55] <meNtha> it s a bug?
[16:55] <meNtha> any solution?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> meNtha,  why use virtuoso ...it' a hog
[16:56] <excognac> BluesKaj: no problem, you've always helped me out whenever you could
[16:56] <meNtha> what i should to do? :D
[16:56] <BluesKaj> MetaBot,  do you need virtuoso/nepomuk ?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> meNtha, ^
[16:57] <BluesKaj> sorr to many nicks with the same first 2 letters
[16:57] <BluesKaj> too many
[16:57] <meNtha> np
[16:58] <meNtha> idk, what does this application?
[16:58] <meNtha> i'm just updated my system, and amarok :D
[16:59] <BluesKaj> meNtha,  are you a home user or in a workplace ?
[17:00] <meNtha> hmm
[17:00] <meNtha> nice question
[17:00] <meNtha> i'm seo/sem consultant, so i working on my home computer :D
[17:00] <BluesKaj> !nepomuk
[17:00] <BluesKaj> !info nepomuk
[17:01] <BluesKaj> !virtuoso
[17:01] <meNtha> ohh, its better, just 95% and 55C :D
[17:01] <BluesKaj> wth , where's the bot
[17:03] <BluesKaj> MetaBot,  do you need file indexing , is the question, if not you can turn nepomuk off in system settings , startup&shutdown>service manager >startup services
[17:03] <BluesKaj> meNtha, ^
[17:05] <meNtha> i cant :O
[17:05] <BluesKaj> yes you can
[17:05] <BluesKaj> uncheck the box beside nepomuk , and it won't start the next boot up
[17:07] <BluesKaj> but you have to check "restore session " in seession management
[17:08] <BluesKaj> and to amke sure it never starts again , type mepomuk in the dialog applications tobe excluded from ....
[17:08]  * BluesKaj curses his phat phingers
[17:09] <meNtha> hmm
[17:09] <BluesKaj> hmm what ?
[17:09] <meNtha> startup services doesnt have nepomuk checkbox
[17:10] <meNtha> it hink i have to restart my pc
[17:10] <BluesKaj> meNtha,  service manager does
[17:11] <BluesKaj> meNtha,  are you on kubuntu ? or ubuntu
[17:11] <meNtha> kubuntu ofc
[17:12] <BluesKaj> look for nepomuk search module
[17:13] <meNtha> hmm
[17:13] <meNtha> cant find
[17:13] <meNtha> wat a min, i'm gonna restart
[17:18] <meNtha> re
[17:18] <meNtha> now i can uncheck the nepomuk
[17:26] <excognac> actually, why would one need nepomuk?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> meNtha,  and to make sure it never starts again , type nepomuk in the dialog box " applications to be excluded from .... '
[17:26] <meNtha> i dont need it
[17:27] <BluesKaj> and unless you need kmail , do the same for akonadi
[17:27] <jcgs> excognac: nepomuk does the things that windows search and spotlight do, ie makes things like emails easily searchable
[17:27] <meNtha> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports added, and it istalled
[17:27] <meNtha> i think
[17:27] <meNtha> BluesKaj thanks a lot!
[17:28] <excognac> cos I also had for some reason but now eliminated:)7
[17:28] <BluesKaj> if want to search files and not ahve a cpu hog daemon , install krusader
[17:29] <jcgs> Hi :) Does anyone know what to do if kmail loses all your emails? for some reason, my kmail is starting up blank, despite me having two accounts registered with it :( Also, whenever I click on "mail" in Kontact,it opens kmail in a separaet window, which is also blank. Very strange behaviour!
[17:30] <BluesKaj> jcgs,  is akonadi running ?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> kmaul uses akonadi to search the db for emails , afaik
[17:31] <BluesKaj> kamil
[17:31] <BluesKaj> i give up ...kmail
[17:31] <jcgs> BluesKaj: seems to be, it has plenty of processes open, and i can change settings and stuff
[17:32] <jcgs> BluesKaj: might it have anything to do with the fact that I recently tried to change to "disconnected mode"?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> sorry jcgs , my attempts to get kmail to work were fruitless ..I finally gave up after akonadi kept erroring with my ISP email settings
[17:34] <BluesKaj> so my knowledge base about kmail is very scattered
[17:34] <jcgs> oh dear :( i suspect it would be difficult to file a bug along the lines of "this program is fail"
[17:34] <BluesKaj> I loved kmail in kde3
[17:36] <jim_> @jcgs: Thunderbird has issues like this depending on the startup directory.  If it autostarts, it has the wrong directory because it uses /etc/passwd.  If I start it myself, it looks in the right directory because I set the starting directory.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:01] <jcgs> jim_: do you know what the "right directory" is? kmail doesn't store its emails in a directory, it stores them in a database, so it shouldn't matter where i start it, surely?
[18:04] <yofel> jcgs: can you install akonadiconsole and see if the database is up fine?
[18:07] <jcgs> yofel: it's installed, how do i check if the database is "up fine"?
[18:09] <yofel> jcgs: just go on db browser, and press refresh
[18:09] <yofel> does it show anything?
[18:10] <jcgs> yofel: yeah, an incomprehensible table appeared :) is that ok?
[18:10] <yofel> yeah, meaning mysql works at least
[18:10] <yofel> jcgs: is your mail account shown on the agent tab?
[18:11] <jcgs> kk, presumably all that means is that kmail / kontact is failing to talk to it properly
[18:11] <jcgs> yofel: yeah, they both are
[18:11] <excognac> BluesKaj: I don't get stg: I just removed nepomuk search module from startup apps, set start with an empty session, and I have virtuoso-t, nepomukcontroller, four(!) nepomukservicestub and nepomukserver running. Why?
[18:11] <excognac> obviously after restart
[18:12] <yofel> jcgs: then I'm not really sure what's wrong...
[18:12] <yofel> kmail version?
[18:13] <jcgs> i just opened it and it seems to be doing better :)
[18:13] <jcgs> some folders have appeared :)
[18:13] <BluesKaj> excognac,  don't start with empty seession , then the defaults startup including nepomuk , set it to 'restore previous session" . after turning nepomuk etc off inthe service manager
[18:13] <jcgs> yofel: 4.7.3
[18:13] <yofel> why not 4.7.4?
[18:14] <excognac> BluesKaj:  ouch ok, so I shouldn't have changed it
[18:16] <jcgs> yofel: kde is version 4.7.4 kmail is version 4.7.3. i have a screenshot, but i presum it's running the latest version. i keep kubuntu updated regularly (i did updates this morning)
[18:17] <yofel> then I guess just the version number is wrong
[18:17] <BluesKaj> wish there was a method runkmail kontact independently of alaonadi and the db ..the db is of no use to ppl like me who don't store thousands of emails
[18:17] <BluesKaj> to run kmail
[18:17] <yofel> well, mails are stored in akonadi now, so without that, kmail is practically useless
[18:18] <excognac> BluesKaj: still have them
[18:18] <BluesKaj> why isn't  more like t-bird ..independent with it's own storage dir
[18:18] <jcgs> yofel: http://imagebin.org/201078
[18:20] <BluesKaj> excognac,  stiil have nepomuk ...like I said earleir , make sure you enter nepouk in the textbox in session managemet , "Applications to be excluded...."
[18:21] <jcgs> I know this is going to be quite controversial, but i think (in principle at least) akonadi is quite a good idea. There are good reasons to separate the checking-and-storing-mails process from the looking-at-mails process (the e-mail client) and sharing the former between all the clients ought to engourage better development :)
[18:21] <jcgs> That presumes of course that akonadi is actually well-implemented
[18:23] <BluesKaj> jcgs,  it's fine for office situations which need to maintain a large email database , but what use is it for home users like me who just want kmail to be optionally availble with links to an uneeded database
[18:24] <BluesKaj> without links rather
[18:25] <jcgs> it ought to allow faster and more efficient searching, and checking of e-mails in background while the e-mail client is closed, saving memory, and meaning that the email database is much more up to date. therefore it also ought to improve start-up times for clients, as they shouldn't need to do a manual email check every time
[18:27] <jcgs> but obviously it depends how you use email as to which is more appropriate, searching and background checking may not be worth having
[18:28] <yofel> it does do mail fetching in the background when kmail is closed
[18:28] <yofel> just uses a lot more memory than before :(
[18:28] <BluesKaj> jcgs,  the lack of non-db and other options in kmail is my complaint
[18:30] <BluesKaj> kmail is tied to some enterprise vision the canonical management has for kubuntu ...sad really
[18:30] <BluesKaj> or had , I guess :)
[18:32] <BluesKaj> my next peeve is the so called playlist setup in amarok ...that's a bloody mess too
[18:32] <jcgs> BluesKaj: in a sense, a mailbox is by definition a database, however it's stored, so it makes sense to use a program that specializes in handling data, rather than re-inventing the wheel
[18:32] <BluesKaj> jcgs,  did you ever run kde3 ?
[18:33] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Canonical doesn't drive either KDE or Kmail development.  If you think that Kmail is tied to some management vision, well, that's the devs choice.
[18:33] <jcgs> possibly, but probably not as my main os
[18:34] <BluesKaj> kmail didn't use a mysql/akonadi db in kde3 ...so the devs actually did reinvent the wheel already, jcgs
[18:35] <jcgs> Could you search e-mails from krunner? or sync them without kmail being open?
[18:35] <fakher> hi everyone, i install kde minimal on ubuntu and i want install french language, how pls
[18:35] <fakher> sorry my poor english
[18:35] <DarthFrog> !fr|fakher
[18:36] <BluesKaj> well DarthFrog they approved the inclusion and drastic changes to kmail in kde4 ..I don't find that any different in their vision
[18:36] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  Who is they?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> canonical
[18:37] <jcgs> fakher: what about running "sudo apt-get install language-pack-fr language-pack-kde-fr" in a terminal?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it :)
[18:38] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  Good for you. :-)  But Canonical, via the Kubuntu boys, merely implemented what upstream developed.
[18:39] <jcgs> BluesKaj: No worries :) I can well imagine that kmail in kde3 was better, since kmail in kde4 has a long way to go before mathcing something like outlook, or thunderbird
[18:39] <BluesKaj> splitting hairs , DarthFrog  ...the devs answer to management to use or not to use aspects of the desktop environment
[18:40] <BluesKaj> jcgs,  yes , afraid so
[18:42] <jcgs> But my point was that i think there are good reasons for what has happened, and i personally quite like the idea, but that's not to say that everyone has to
[18:42] <yofel> BluesKaj: well, this was more a question of supportability, as upstream support for kmail1 is dead. And we didn't think it would be *this* bad. (The pre-release test were somewhat acceptable)
[18:42] <yofel> Canonical had nothing to do with this though
[18:42] <BluesKaj> yofel,  yeah sure
[18:44] <BluesKaj> lets hope there's abetter independent email program developed for kde that doesn't need some clunky database gumming up the works
[18:44] <BluesKaj> natve kde email app that is
[18:45] <yofel> nah, they're working on fixing kmail - more or less successfull
[18:45] <BluesKaj> just try getting rid of akonadi  and see what happens ,, it's bloody ridiculous
[18:46] <BluesKaj> and I've already complained about it in kde and kubuntu-devel
[18:46] <yofel> well, I know. Not that I can do anything about it -.-
[18:47] <BluesKaj> yeah it's really unfortunate , yofel  :(
[18:49] <yofel> at least I think I've figured out why ktimetracker doesn't work
[18:49] <yofel> so some less breakage in kdepim
[18:55] <RocknRolla> help?
[18:55] <RocknRolla> savio
[18:56] <RocknRolla> help?
[18:56] <RocknRolla> anyone
[18:56] <BluesKaj> RocknRolla,  just ask you qestion
[18:57] <BluesKaj> your
[18:57] <RocknRolla> BluesKaj: which is suitable editor for web dev like dreamveaver in windows?
[19:00] <TSK> RocknRolla: http://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-dreamweaver/?platform=linux&license=free
[19:00] <BluesKaj> http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/Free-HTML-Editors-Linux-UNIX.htm , RocknRolla
[19:02] <oqpo> hi, I have a problem, the KDE fonts sometimes change automatically, and I have to revert it back. Can I prevent this from happening?
[19:03] <TSK> Personally, I've tried more than a few web editors and eventually just settled on hand coding in Kate editor instead.  Cleaner code, and Kate is one of the better editors I've found for pretty much ANY code in every language.
[19:13] <antonio_> русские есть??
[19:14] <Unit193> !ru | antonio_
[19:14] <antonio_> !ru
[19:17] <Guest50448> ciao
[19:18] <oqpo> Some times when opening files from Dolphin, I get the error: "Could not find the program 'rekonq'. I don't have that program installed, and I don't need it either. How can I fix that?
[19:21] <TSK> oqpo: You need to edit the default file associations and find the one that's trying to load rekonq (lightweight web browser) and change it to your preference.
[19:23] <boblu> Hi, bit of a n00b here.. can someone point me in the direction of installing the flash debug player in chrome and/or firefox?
[19:24] <oqpo> TSK, I have search for that in System Settings, but the default program to is every time kate. And kate opens after I click ok in the error message.
[19:27] <kamelie1706> Hello
[19:28] <oqpo> boblu: I have never hear of a debug version of flash. But the normal flash package is adobe-flashplugin
[19:30] <TSK> oqpo: There are two places in System Settings that I've had affect which app tries to open a file.  If it's not in one, then it's in the other.  Check "System Settings > Default Applications" first, as it's simpler, but if it's not there, then it's somewhere in "System Settings > File Associations".  Another way to solve the issue is to right click on one of the problem files in Dolphin, and select "Properties" from the context menu and then
[19:30] <TSK> click the little wrench button and edit which app opens in there.
[19:30] <kamelie1706> I have just update from http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu + oneiric + main and I have lost all my widget/icons settings on the default activiyt ... Search and Launch & Desktop Icons activities are also completly empty
[19:30] <boblu> I'm sure there is one. I'm a actionscript developer but mostly on win.. but now I would like to move entirely to linux. I do have the debug player standalone version but I must have the plugin debugger aswell. Otherwise I wont be able to work...
[19:32] <oqpo> TSK: Thank you for your help, but there is nothing, the file association is already in this order: kate, kdiff3, firefox, opera. There is no rekonq in the list.
[19:32] <TSK> oqpo: Well, that's just plain strange then.  I haven't had anything try to open rekonq for a LOoooooOooong time now.
[19:33] <kamelie1706> KDE update 4.8.0b :-(
[19:35] <oqpo> TSK: I think maybe it is hard-coded somewhere in a kde lib. I searched for files containing rekonq, but there is noting in ~/, maybe in /etc/.
[19:36] <TSK> What filetype is giving you this problem?
[19:44] <kamelie1706> has anyone successfully update to 4.8.0b
[19:44] <kamelie1706> ?
[19:45] <yofel> kamelie1706: can you check if kubuntu-desktop is installed?
[19:45] <yofel> and libkactivities-bin
[19:47] <kamelie1706> yofel: kubuntu-desktop not there
[19:47] <yofel> please install that
[19:47] <yofel> and please pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:48] <jamil_1> hi all, I am trying to change shortcut for show desktop widget to Meta+D but the shortcut is not being assigned
[19:48] <kamelie1706> yofel: my mistake kubuntu-desktop there already
[19:49] <yofel> kamelie1706: and libkactivities-bin?
[19:49] <kamelie1706> yofel: libkactivities-bin also there
[19:49] <yofel> do you have this? /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd
[19:50] <kamelie1706> yofel:kactivitymanagerd there
[19:51] <jamil_1> here: http://imgur.com/2Rexi
[19:51] <yofel> can you pastebin your history.log please? so I see what the upgrade actually did
[19:51] <jamil_1> you can see, some not printable characters rather than meta key
[19:51] <jamil_1> non*
[19:52] <kamelie1706> yofel: not familiar with pastebin. How do you do that?
[19:52] <yofel> !paste
[19:53] <kamelie1706> !pastebinit
[19:58] <kamelie1706> pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com/859638/
[19:59] <kamelie1706> !patse
[19:59] <kamelie1706> !paste
[19:59] <kamelie1706> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/859638/
[20:08] <kamelie1706> yofel: Did you manage to access the log?
[20:09] <yofel> kamelie1706: hm, that's trimmed already, can you please run this?
[20:09] <yofel> cd /tmp
[20:09] <yofel> gunzip -k /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz
[20:09] <yofel> pastebinit history.log -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:09] <yofel> errrr
[20:09] <yofel> pastebinit history.log.1 -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:10] <kamelie1706> sorry I trimmed only the part of today update
[20:10] <yofel> ah
[20:10] <yofel> well, that one looks fine
[20:10] <yofel> you might find a hint to what's wrong in ~/.xsession-errors
[20:11] <kamelie1706> pastebinit /var/log/apt/history.log -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:12] <kamelie1706> !pastebinit /var/log/apt/history.log -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:14] <kamelie1706> yofel: the complete log http://paste.ubuntu.com/859655/ (sorry thought pastebin was irc command getting back to irc after 14 years!)
[20:15] <yofel> kamelie1706: hm, nothing recent that would cause this.
[20:16] <yofel> kamelie1706: if you press ctrl+esc, and search for kactivitymanagerd, is it running?
[20:19] <kamelie1706> yofel: maybe something wrong there http://paste.ubuntu.com/859662/
[20:20] <kamelie1706> yofel: errors related to /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd(2401)
[20:21] <kamelie1706> yofel: found using ps -ef | grep kactivitymanagerd
[20:21] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, sorry
[20:21] <yofel> anyone else?
[20:25] <Guest87158> !list
[20:37] <kamelie1706> yofel: thanks ... at least I learn some new thing today :-)
[20:49] <darthanubis> anyone here try an upgrade to Kubuntu Precise?
[20:56] <TopGear> Hi Folks. I've got a problem with Amarok. I have quite some gigs of music on my 2nd HDD. I moved everything from that HDD to the Amarok playlist, but it won't migrate the album covers. What do I need to do to have the album covers shown in Amarok?
[21:04] <TopGear> Oh. Working now. Whatever.
[21:35] <jcook_5xdata> anyone know f it possible to have the Im windows pop up in the new KDE telepathy client list in 12.04
[21:38] <ArchangelSe7en> not sure , but Kopete does it afaik
[22:13] <excognac> is there anyway I can automatically copy outputs from the terminal for a while?
[22:13] <excognac> *a way


[01:37] <amurray> good morning
[01:41] <Unit193> Heya, amurray.
[05:06] <sbeattie> hey amurray, Unit193
[05:32] <Unit193> Howdy.
[06:59]  * enyc meows
[07:07] <amurray> hey enyc
[07:09] <enyc> =)
[07:09] <enyc> ...peolpe still turning up in old irc net ;/
[09:21] <mpiano> I see that cvescan database files are updated now, thank you very much for the support
[10:22] <grimmware> sbeattie: thanks for this! ^
[10:22] <grimmware> it is very much appreciated!


[00:12] <mparillo> Yes, your bug report said that. I was just saying that with my old laptop, it does work, so I am guessing it is some kind of HW issue.
[00:15] <KOLANICH> The bios doesn't boots the usb drives it doesn't recognize as bootable. And I cannot replace the bios by newer one because there is no newer official one and no coreboot for my chipset.
[00:16] <mparillo> Just out of curiousity (I am not helping, this is beyond me), how old is your laptop?
[00:17] <KOLANICH> it's not laptop. The date in bios is 2004, the PC was assembled in 2006
[00:18] <KOLANICH> Works pretty fine except the issues like this and unavailability of RAM more than 8 Gib
[00:22] <mparillo> Ahh, my T61 probably dates from 2007 or so, as it has Lenovo on it instead of IBM.
 Maybe the motherboard does not support more than 8 gigs.
[09:20] <agus> tes
[09:29] <firc263e8cf> Hi there.  When I tried to log into KDE now all I get is a black screen with the mouse cursor stuck at the very top line. How do I complete reset my display settings?
[09:30] <firc263e8cf> I've tried deleting .cache, .kde, .config and .Xauthority and also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail.
[09:31] <firc263e8cf> I reinstall xserver-xorg but still cannot get the desktop back.
[09:33] <hateball> firc263e8cf: is this a clean install of 16.04 ?
[09:33] <firc263e8cf> Yes
[09:33] <firc263e8cf> I think so at least..
[09:34] <hateball> firc263e8cf: I suggest you add/upgrade to kubuntu ppa then, fixes much multimonitor woes
[09:34] <hateball> firc263e8cf: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:35] <firc263e8cf> Back in the day I'd just delete /etc/Xorg.conf and get on with my life, but I don't know how to do this now.
[09:35] <hateball> firc263e8cf: also, monitor settings are saved under ~/.local/share/kscreen
[09:35] <hateball> firc263e8cf: you'll have a file for each display. just wipe them and reboot, to have kscreen regenerate them
[09:35] <firc263e8cf> hateball: Thanks, that's useful to know because I couldn't get the second monitor to work at all. I'm trying to salvage my primary display now!
[09:35] <firc263e8cf> Ok thanks let me try that.
[09:38] <firc263e8cf> hateball: I deleted the entire folder and did service lightdm restart but nothing seems to have changed.
[09:39] <firc263e8cf> hateball: nevermind, thanks a lot, I got it to work; I also had to delete .config and .cache and I can now log in again.
[09:42] <firc263e8cf> I will try out the PPA as well but I'm rather annoyed at the moment and reconsidering changing my setup.
[09:44] <hateball> firc263e8cf: well I dont have any (major) issues using the PPA
[09:44] <hateball> whereas multimonitor on stock 16.04 is just... no
[11:31] <hackerone> Does plasma have a cpu frequency scaler?
[12:09] <ubuntu__> What is the proper command for locking the cpu at a lower frequency?
[12:10] <ubuntu__> The widgets look like junk they don't work.
[12:10] <ubuntu__> cpufreq-info shows a higher freq than what was set with cpufreq-set
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:47] <user|57237> hi everybody
[14:06] <michael_> Hi. I'd like to change the font in Konsole. Permantently. It always switches back to the tiny default - either at closing and reopening a instance, or if that doesnt happen, after reboot.
[14:07] <michael_> How can permantently set the size?
[14:11] <hateball> michael_: edit your konsole profile
[14:42] <bmxmarine> whats happening
[17:03] <Krzemo> hej
[17:05] <soee> hiho Krzemo
[17:06] <_thelion_> Hello. I've un issue with telepathy: i can't set up Bonjour ... (Kubuntu 16.04)
[17:06] <_thelion_> Kopete is able to set up Bonjour ...
[17:07] <_thelion_> Is this a bug (telepathy)?
[17:08] <soee> _thelion_: hi, kde-telepathy is unmaintained for a long time already
[17:08] <soee> so even known bugs are not work on
[17:08] <_thelion_> okay - so it's better to use kopete?
[17:08] <soee> hard to say for me, i don't use any of them
[17:11] <_thelion_> soee: Thanks ...
 Then which is the messaging kdr app?
[17:37] <soee> i think there is none atm. that is actively developed
[17:37] <debono> ets5
[18:29] <pedahzur> Howdy! For Kubuntu Backports, is there any chance you could build kmix5?  I kind of miss having a volume control. :)
[18:32] <soee> volume control ?
[18:38] <craiger> will plasma 5.8 make it into backports for kubuntu 16.04?     (I'm stuck on 14.04 kde4, and hoping to make the leap to a stable kde)
[18:39] <pedahzur> soee:  kmix for KDE 5 hasn't been packaged for Kubuntu 16.05, and kmix 4 won't install due to missing deps.
[18:41] <soee> because there is plasma-pa
[18:41] <soee> craiger: yes, but no eta for it
[18:41]  * craiger nods at soee
[18:42] <craiger> lrcsomeBot:  that's incorrect.  that gives you 5.6.5
[18:44] <acheronuk> 5.8 is not in backports, but once 5.8 makes it into the 17.04 development release, backporting it is the goal
[18:45] <craiger> so smart money would be 5.8 in 14.04 backports next april
[18:46] <acheronuk> 14.04 will not get it
[18:47] <acheronuk> aim is to for 16.04 LTS
[18:47] <craiger> sorry, meant 16.04
[18:47] <craiger> thanks!
[18:47] <acheronuk> craiger: I would hope looooong before April!
[18:48] <craiger> you and me both.. i'm stuck on 14.04 (kde4) until there's a stable kde5
[18:49] <craiger> is kde/plasma 5.6.5 perceived as stable?  i need this workstation for work, and I've tracked every kde since 1996
[18:50] <acheronuk> 5.6.5 was quite good while I was using it. there are mixed opinions though, depending on hardware/graphics-card number or displays etc
[18:51] <craiger> but no crashing back to lightdm right?
[18:51] <craiger> i'm running it now, in a VM, just to see, so far so good....    the kde that shipped with 16.04 wasn't so good.
[18:52] <acheronuk> sddm for preference with that, but you can have lightdm if you wish. I did not get crashes like that on an intel based laptop and Nvidia graphics card PC
[18:52] <craiger> with proprietary nvidia driver?
[18:52] <acheronuk> can make no guarantees though, as plasma 5 is still a WIP
[18:52] <craiger> sure
[18:53] <acheronuk> craiger: yes, I use the proprietary. nouveau is too buggy/slow still for my card
[18:54] <craiger> ok, so i stand a good chance with my nvidia workstation
[18:54] <craiger> i'll give kubuntu 16.04 a try, upgrade to plasma5.6.5
[18:54] <pedahzur> soee: So, silly question. I installed plasma-pa, but there is not binary (e.g. /usr/bin/<something>) like there was with kmix. How do I get it into my task bar?
[18:57] <soee> it should show up in systray
[18:58] <pedahzur> soee: It didn't...do I need to log out and log back in?
[18:59] <soee> probably
[19:07] <pedahzur> soee: OK, logged out, logged back in. So, volume control is in the sys tray. But when I have an application active (like Skype) it still doesn't give me the option to direct certain output to certain devices, nor does it allow me to select the recording device for, say, Skype Input. Wow...major functionality regression.
[19:09] <soee> pedahzur: this functionality landed in Plasma 5.7 that is not yet available in Kubuntu
[19:09] <pedahzur> So, apparently have to use pavucontrol for now....sigh.
[19:09] <soee> :)
[19:10] <pedahzur> Wonder why the plasma-pa doesn't have a menu option for opening that... :)
[19:10] <craiger> personally, i prefer pavucontrol
[19:10] <pedahzur> craiger: Yeah, it's nicer...but it doesn't have a systray icon. :)
[19:10] <craiger> lol - agreed
[19:11] <soee> well plasma-pa have all i need in Plasma 5.8 http://i.imgur.com/qkRsmq3.jpg :)
[19:12] <soee> well this: http://i.imgur.com/lDzsgGI.jpg
 wow soee. super wide ;)
[19:14] <soee> well can't imagine using smaller screen :)
[21:56] <john_s> euhm, I connected a HDMI display and then selected "Unify Displays" and at that point it quickly got to the point that I had no image anymore on whatever screen and I had to remove .local to get any image back.
[21:56] <john_s> I wonder what actual setting to delete to get a normal screen back.
[21:57] <john_s> instead of losing my entire .local
[22:05] <rattking> john_s: .local/share/kscreen
[22:06] <john_s> thanks, this time (randomly?) the HDMI became the secondary screen.
[22:22] <john_s> oh my god, xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --primary --mode 1440x900 --output HDMI-1 --same-as DVI-I-1 --mode 1360x768 --scale-from 1440x900, it's just not very sharp
[22:23] <john_s> xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --primary --mode 1440x900 --output HDMI-1 --same-as DVI-I-1 --mode 1920x1080 --scale-from 1440x900 slightly better but still weirdly scaled of course... how to do this....
[22:29] <chris__> hello


[07:43] <magespawn> good morning
[07:50] <pavlushka> Good Morning magespawn
[07:50] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!


[00:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It looks like it. At least no crashes.
[00:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Bridge check
[00:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, it still woks.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think the bridge was down earlier.
[00:25] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: Looks like a severe netsplit happened, I bet that's why your thingy went weird.
[00:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, my quassel instance and OvenWerks were still in communication.
[00:29] <arraybolt3> And it plum disconnected me altogether. :(
[00:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> It looks like your Matrix instance is still here along with your IRC client.
[00:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, I got IRC reconnected, and I didn't see Matrix ever go down.
[00:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's because the Ubuntu Studio rooms are actual Matrix rooms bridged to the IRC rooms on Libera instead of IRC rooms with ad-hoc bridge-based rooms.
[00:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh clever! That explains why they pop up differently.


[01:47] <enp0s8> I have a node with two network interfaces how can i bring up the second nic when i deploy?
[13:27] <huats> Hi kiko
[13:27] <huats> sorry it took me ages to have a look at the various logs (regarding the issue I have of the out-of-sync image in my cluster)
[13:27] <huats> I have been able to redo the addtion of an image
[13:28] <huats> and I am still stuck with the out-of-sync thing
[13:28] <huats> the image seems to be uploaded well on the region
[13:29] <huats> but it "stops" there and it is never sent to the cluster
[13:29] <huats> there is nothing that seems wrong/special on the logs
[13:30] <huats> just that on syslog after it is sent to the region I can see
[13:30] <huats> [INFO] Updating boot image iSCSI targets.
[13:30] <huats> and I never got any reference to the custom image I have added (it only shows the generated ubuntu image I have already)
[13:31] <huats> if you have any clue :)
[13:31] <huats> It would be really interesting...
[13:31] <huats> I am really stick :(
[13:31] <huats> stuck
[13:49] <roaksoax> huats: what version of maas are you using?
[13:50] <huats> roaksoax: Hi
[13:50] <huats> 1.9.2+bzr4568-0ubuntu1
[13:50] <huats> actually I am guessing if I am providing the right kind of image to maas... since it is the first "custom" image I want to give him
[13:50] <huats> can I give to maas a qcow2 ?
[14:04] <roaksoax> huats: imthinking that the issue will still be there in 1.9.3
[14:04] <roaksoax> but i'd recommend you upgrade
[14:04] <huats> ok
[14:04] <huats> I will try that
[14:04] <huats> and regarding the qcow2 thing ?
[14:04] <roaksoax> huats: also, you can't do qcow, only root tarball
[14:04] <huats> ok
[14:04] <huats> :)
[14:05] <roaksoax> huats: how large is the image?
[14:05] <huats> that might be main issue
[14:05] <huats> not so large
[14:05] <huats> about 300M
[14:05] <roaksoax> huats: yeah so if it is qcow2 that wont work
[14:05] <huats> hum I am wondering how to convert qcow2 to tarball
[14:06] <roaksoax> huats: https://launchpad.net/maas-image-builder
[14:06] <roaksoax> huri'd sugggst you look into that
[14:06] <huats> roaksoax: does it makes that kind of convertion ?
[14:07] <roaksoax> huats: that creates a maas image from a vm. so you can see how the root image is created
[14:07] <huats> oh great
[14:08] <roaksoax> huats: also, if you are creating a third party OS(non-ubuntu) you'll need to look at curtin_hooks being created for that image
[14:08] <huats> ok
[14:08] <huats> (trying to do an opensuse one...)
[20:46] <huats> roaksoax: can you explain me a bit more about the curtin_hook ?
[20:47] <huats> I think I have done a tgz from the qcow2 (using a simple tar the same way it is done in maas-image-builder)


[12:26] <Seveas> Hobbsee, that one indeed :)
[12:26] <nalioth> looks like we're having a bot swarm atm
[12:29] <PriceChild> heads up again!
[12:29] <PriceChild> bigprick
[12:30] <PriceChild> ah it said "fumble" not "rumble"
[12:31] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: ask him if he unmounted it before taking USB stick out. if i speak in there atm i will be pinged all night long :(
[12:48] <PriceChild> grrr BigToe is back...
[01:05] <effie_jayx> lol
[01:30] <stefg> PriceChild was really quick on the last paste in #ubuntu ;-)... won#t it be possible to establish a script that automutes (and gives a link to pastebin) a nick when 4 consecutive lines of the same nick go to the channel. i think this would be sufficient to identify a paste
[01:30] <PriceChild> bots with ops are bad
[01:30] <PriceChild> especially in channels with a userlist as big as #ubuntu...
[01:31] <stefg> might be not ubotu.. separate guard-bot
[01:33] <nalioth> stefg: accidental pastes aren't a big problem
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <nalioth> it's the disruptive pastes we don't like
[01:34] <stefg> hehe
[01:35] <stefg> just an idea which would discourage /any/ flooding in a heavy traffic channel like #ubuntu
[01:35] <PriceChild> its not a matter of discouraging... people that do this don't realise they shouldn't
[01:36] <PriceChild> They realise they shouldn't the first time and hopefully don't do it again :)
[01:36] <stefg> PriceChild: automatic clue bat :-)
[01:37] <stefg> ooops, this didn't work... what did i wrong?... ahhh, there's the hint
[01:38] <stefg> would help against intended flood attacks two... 4 lines, get muted.... people will adapt quickly to that
[01:39] <stefg> s /two/too
[01:39] <nalioth> stefg: the above disruptive example can be made into a script
[01:39] <nalioth> but accidental / ignorant flooding can be corrected via catalysis
[02:04] <PriceChild> hmm gentoo_user...
[02:29] <gnomefreak> did we decide envy sucks and take it out of ubotu?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: people who use envy wont be able to dist-upgrade.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> with the upgrader tool.
[02:30] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> (oh what a tragedy)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hiya SportChick
[02:32] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ditto automatix.
[02:32] <SportChick> hiya Hobbsee :)
[02:32] <SportChick> had an ubuntu question on #freenode just now if anyone wants to take a shot at helping the guy
[02:32] <gnomefreak> automatix blows chunks
[02:33] <Hobbsee> kline [10:33]  [Whois]  n00b3r is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Blair)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ^
[02:35] <SportChick> Hobbsee: nalioth don't
[02:35] <gnomefreak> oh he was klined?
[02:35] <SportChick> I spoke to him, and he said sorry
[02:35] <gnomefreak> i just banned him
[02:35] <SportChick> he said he won't again
[02:35] <SportChick> however, if he *does* do it again, we'll kline
[02:35] <Hobbsee> SportChick: *raises eyebrows*
[02:36] <Hobbsee> what on earth did he think he was going to acheive?
[02:36] <SportChick> Hobbsee: catalysing ;)
[02:36] <gnomefreak> those are hard to type without knowing what they do
[02:36] <SportChick> Hobbsee: no idea
[02:36] <gnomefreak> he screwed it up too or it lost its affect
[02:42] <sayers> Hello. Has the DCCbug been fixed?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> in your router?
[02:45] <sayers> I guess it didnt work.
[02:48] <sayers> Could the test be conducted again please.
[02:49] <jrib> sayers: sure, join #jrib
[02:51] <jrib> sayers: ok, you're all set.  You can rejoin #ubuntu now.  Thanks for your patience
[02:51] <sayers> Ah thanks
[02:57] <nj786> when can i get tested?
[02:59] <nj786> may i get tested right now?
[02:59] <Vorian> nj786, when an op has time they will let you know.
[02:59] <nj786> vorian, op?
[02:59] <Vorian> nope
[03:00] <nj786> vorian, when will i know?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> he's not fixed.
[03:00] <Vorian> lol
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nj786: you're not fixed.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !exploit
[03:00] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[03:00] <nj786> hobbsee how do you know
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nj786: because i just tested you
[03:01] <nj786> hobbsee how did i get this bug?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> didnt you see you just disconnected?
[03:01] <nj786> yuh
[03:01] <nj786> hobbsee, how did  iget this bug?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nj786: it's a bug in your router
[03:01] <nj786> hobbsee  how do  ifix it?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nj786: it's a bug in your router
[03:01] <nj786> i mean i follwoed the inturction on that linnk
[03:01] <Hobbsee> connect to port 8001, like it says in that link
[03:01] <nj786> hobbsee, i did
[03:02] <Hobbsee> no, you didnt.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> no, you didnt.
[03:02] <nj786> hobbsee, why does it not work
[03:02] <nj786> yesi  did
[03:02] <nj786> i will show u a screenshot
[03:02] <nj786> 1 sec
[03:02] <Hobbsee> because you're not connected to port 8001.
[03:03] <PriceChild> nj786, you will have to reconnect
[03:04] <nj786> pricechild, what do you mean?
[03:04] <nj786> hobbsee, give me 1 sec
[03:04] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: he's having to reconnect anyway, iirc, because he's being thrown off the network each time.
[03:04] <PriceChild> Yeah I'm tired and realised how stupid that was :P
[03:04] <nj786> pricechild, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4plulgm
[03:04] <nj786> hobbsee, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4plulgm
[03:05] <nj786> hobsee?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> nj786: give us a screenshot of the "edit" part?
[03:05] <nj786> hobbsee, what do you mean?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> there's an edit button there - what happens if you hit that?
[03:05] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, that is the edit part
[03:06] <Hobbsee> what does it show?
[03:06] <nj786> hit edit and screenshot the window that opens?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> the edit of the server tab
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:06] <nj786> as it when i hit edit>preferences ?
[03:06] <nj786> or this server whic i am talkin to you guys?
[03:07] <nj786> i mean chatting*
[03:07] <Hobbsee> on the screenshot you've got, you've got an edit button on that front window.  hit that, and give us a screenshot again
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i'm fairly sure it'll say 6667 in it
[03:08] <nj786> hobbsee, that is the edit part
[03:09] <nj786> hobbsee, the screenshoti gave you is the edit part
[03:09] <Hobbsee> if that's the edit part, then why does the edit part have another edit button on it?
[03:09] <nj786> u mean behind the text?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> i mean the front-most window in that screenshot
[03:09] <nj786> or the window where it says  ircfreenode?
[03:09] <nj786> yes i know
[03:09] <nj786> if i hit that hobbsee, it just highlights the text
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:10] <Hobbsee> dunno if he has to hit save or something.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> because it's definetly not accepted
[03:11] <Hobbsee> [11:10]  <Hobbsee> dunno if he has to hit save or something.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> [11:10]  <Hobbsee> because it's definetly not accepted
[03:11] <Hobbsee> after the /8001 is added
[03:11] <nj786> hobbsee? what can  ido
[03:11] <crdlb> nj786: have you restarted xchat-gnome?
[03:11] <nj786> no
[03:11] <Hobbsee> might be wise to try
[03:11] <nj786> crdlb how do  i do that?
[03:11] <nj786> irc>quit
[03:12] <crdlb> yes
[03:12] <nj786> and reconnect?
[03:12] <crdlb> then open it again
[03:12] <nj786> ok let me try it
[03:12] <nj786> will it bring me back here
[03:12] <nj786> or will it send me somwhere else?
[03:13] <nj786> i am going to try restarting
[03:13] <Hobbsee> twitch
[03:13] <Hobbsee> please tell me that i misread, and he didnt ask how to restart a gui application.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato!
[03:14] <Hobbsee> woo, now Jucato can deal with it!
[03:14] <SportChick> Hobbsee: how do I restart a gui application?
[03:14] <SportChick> :D
[03:14] <SportChick> *headdesk*
[03:15] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! deal with what? O.o
[03:15] <crdlb> what is he doing?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> crdlb: NFI.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: exploit victim who just asked how to restart his client.  the client was xchat.
[03:16] <nj786> hobbsee, i am still back here
[03:16] <Jucato> oh...
[03:16] <Hobbsee> someone beat me
[03:16] <Hobbsee> but it's not fixed.
[03:16] <PriceChild> nj786, still not fixed
[03:16] <nj786> no priocechild
[03:16] <nj786> i am getting worried
[03:16] <nj786> pricechild, how do  fix this
[03:17] <nj786> hobbsee?
[03:17] <crdlb> nj786: click on the Freenode tab on the left
[03:17] <crdlb> and scroll up
[03:18] <crdlb> what port do you see?
[03:18] <nj786> crdbl, where?
[03:18] <nj786> crdbl, click where for freenode?
[03:19] <nj786> crdbl?
[03:19] <nj786> crldb?
[03:19] <crdlb> nj786: click freenode on the left
[03:19] <crdlb> in the channel list
[03:19] <nj786> crdlb where?
[03:19] <nj786> edit>preferences?
[03:19] <crdlb> no
[03:19] <crdlb> in the main window
[03:20] <nj786> crdlb where is t
[03:20] <crdlb> it says "FreeNode"
[03:20] <nj786> it?
[03:20] <nj786> i do not see freenode
[03:20] <nj786> where is it
[03:20] <nj786> bottom left?
[03:20] <crdlb> oh
[03:21] <crdlb> you're connecting to the "ubuntu server"
[03:21] <nj786> ok look
[03:21] <nj786> crdlb
[03:21] <nj786> what do i do
[03:21] <crdlb> which has a separate definition in the preferences
[03:21] <nj786> run me through this
[03:21] <nj786> what do i do?
[03:21] <nalioth> crdlb: nj786: please join #ubuntu-classroom
[03:21] <nj786> crdlb i am listening
[03:21] <nalioth> this is not a support channel
[03:21] <SportChick> nalioth: you mean nj786
[03:21] <SportChick> ?
[03:22] <nalioth> SportChick: i used both nicks
[03:22] <SportChick> oh, missed that sorry
[03:22] <SportChick> *blush*
[03:22] <nj786> where is the unbuntu classroom?
[03:23] <nj786> crdlb?
[03:23] <nj786> where is the ubuntu classroom?
[03:23] <nalioth> nj786: type /j #ubuntu-classroom <enter>
[03:23] <nj786> nalioth what do  ido in there?
[03:25] <nalioth> nj786: well, crdlb should have joined you
[03:28] <crdlb> somebody try it
[03:28] <nj786> crdlb, i am still back
[03:28] <nj786> nothing happpend
[03:28] <PriceChild> nj please join #pricechild for a couple more tests :)
[03:28] <PriceChild> seems good though
[03:29] <Hobbsee> wow, it's fixed.
[03:29] <nj786> am i fixed?
[03:29] <nj786> HOBBSEE?
[03:29] <PriceChild> Woo congratulations nj786, you may now join #ubuntu :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> oh, he got it
[03:29] <Hobbsee> nj786: yep, well done.
[03:29] <nj786> PRAISE THE LORDDDDDDD
[03:29] <PriceChild> hehe
[03:30] <nj786> so is my system good now?
[03:30] <PriceChild> Yeah you're all good
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:30] <crdlb> who had the ingenious idea of making an "ubuntu server" entry?
[03:30] <nj786> ok now those prblems wont occur of my desktop switching?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> sorry?
[03:30] <nj786> and by the way will this program ever occur again?
[03:30] <nj786> problem**
[03:30] <Hobbsee> for every machine you have connected to that router, this will happen, yes.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> it shouldnt for that machine
[03:30] <nj786> damnit
[03:31] <nj786> lol
[03:31] <nj786> i oonly connected 1
[03:31] <nj786> hobbsee,  so the more computers  i connect the more chance of it happening?
[03:32] <nj786> ok i had another question so all those problems  iwas facing will no dissapear in my dekstop
[03:32] <Hobbsee> nj786: no - but seeing as your router is the problem, the connecting on a different port is a workaround, only for that machine
[03:32] <nj786> for ex:, while i was switching dekstops my panel would dissapear?
[03:32] <nj786> hobbsee, so this problem will occur again for my router?
[03:33] <nj786> hobbsee, for this exact machine i am using?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> not for that machine
[03:33] <nj786> hobbsee, then?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> you shouldnt see it again
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hiya Madpilot
[03:41] <Madpilot> evening Hobbsee
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: it seems you're the brother of that crazy CC person.
[03:41] <Madpilot> I am, yes. What's he doing now?
[03:42] <Madpilot> aside from getting pissed in Spain after the rest of you have left?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> nothing
[03:42] <Hobbsee> we just got lots of fun calling him weasel boy, and such, and teasing him
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hehe, i never got to see that
[03:43] <Madpilot> Good. Like I said, he enjoys being callled weaselboy.
[03:43] <Madpilot> although he's likely to want to hurt me when he gets home for telling you all that nickname :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:45] <PriceChild> Haha I remember the first time someone called him that at UDS...
[03:45] <Hobbsee> and the planet meeting.  haha
[04:17] <nzk> Is Seaves here yet
[06:46] <Seveas> !test
[06:46] <ubotu> Failed
[06:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, RagingBull said: ubotu: what is the diff between sudo su - and sudo -i
[06:54] <SportChick> Seveas: hehe
[08:36] <elkbuntu> highvoltage, why did you have to not record my talk at the ubucon? i cant find a vid of it anywhere :(
[08:38] <highvoltage> elkbuntu, I am terribly sorry :(
[08:39] <highvoltage> I wish I didn't leave earlier, would rather have seen your talj
[08:39] <highvoltage> *talk
[08:40] <elkbuntu> i'm almost certain there were at least 2 video cameras there, yours included, but the problem so far is communicating with the -es and guadalinex people
[08:40] <highvoltage> aaah
[08:41] <highvoltage> have you tried posting to the sevilla uds list?
[08:42] <elkbuntu> hmm... good idea. we have not nuked that yet
[08:43] <highvoltage> perhaps there would be someone on #ubuntu-es that would also be willing to help
[12:50] <jrib> looks like a netsplit sent some people into -unregged earlier
[01:46] <elkbuntu> jrib, +J at work i believe
[01:46] <jrib> yeah
[01:47] <elkbuntu> so long as they really are unregged/unidentified, it doesnt matter
[01:48] <elkbuntu> (much)
[01:48] <jrib> there were a couple that were identified
[01:50] <elkbuntu> they might not have been when they joined?
[01:50] <elkbuntu> s/joined/rejoined/
[01:50] <jrib> possibly
[01:52] <gnomefreak> irssi is bad about that it seems to join before all user modes are set
[01:53] <jrib> does +J distinguish between identified and unidentified?
[01:53] <gnomefreak> shouldnt
[01:53] <jrib> right
[01:53] <gnomefreak> it should just restrict joining to a limit withint a set time period
[01:53] <gnomefreak> afaik
[01:54] <gnomefreak> is there a holiday in UK today?
[01:54] <Daviey> nope
[01:58] <gnomefreak> it was a netherland holiday it seems
[01:59] <gnomefreak> Ascension Day
[02:01] <elkbuntu> oh maaaan. aoirthoir moron still hanging in -women :(
[02:01] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:01] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: he isnt gonna leave ther
[02:01] <gnomefreak> e
[02:01] <elkbuntu> i know
[02:01] <gnomefreak> hes been there ever since the BS that day a month or so ago
[02:01] <elkbuntu> i'm aware of that
[02:02] <elkbuntu> someone needs to incite him somehow
[02:02] <gnomefreak> incite as it get him to screw up?
[02:02] <elkbuntu> of course. entrapment ftw
[02:02] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:03] <elkbuntu> of course, i do not advocate such behaviour...
[02:04] <gnomefreak> hes still banned in -offtopic?
[02:04] <elkbuntu> i just find it incredibly helpful ;)
[02:04] <elkbuntu> i damn well hope so
[02:12] <gnomefreak> does anyone ever talk to him in there? i havent seen taht yet
[02:17] <pleia2> I think most people just ignore him now, so not to get him "started"
[02:19] <pleia2> I spoke to him after he was being a bit annoying, but he hasn't exactly broken rules.. :\
[02:19] <gnomefreak> true but i think hes following elky but not sure why
[02:20] <elkbuntu> because i challenged him intellectually
[02:20] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: true
[02:21] <elkbuntu> he's just looking for new ways to discredit me
[02:21] <elkbuntu> s/looking/waiting/
[02:22] <elkbuntu> mc44 found a nice link about him soon after he appeared in the community. it sums him up nicely and explains a lot ;)
[02:22] <elkbuntu> s/nice/interesting/
[02:22] <elkbuntu> s/interesting/creepy/
[02:23] <gnomefreak> you mean like a wanna be stalker?
[02:23] <elkbuntu> mc44, is an excellent stalk...um...investigator when required
[02:23] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:51] <ompaul> gnomefreak, he should be banned from #ubuntu-*
[02:52] <gnomefreak> I TAKE IT YOU KNOW HIM?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:52] <ompaul> YOU CAN!
[02:52] <ompaul> :)
[02:53] <gnomefreak> i cant ban him from -women he doesnt hang out in any other #ubuntu-* channel that i know of besides -offtopic(already banned) and -women
[02:53] <ompaul> yeap
[02:57] <elkbuntu> * [Aoirthoir]  (n=aoirthoi@wsip-68-99-156-37.ri.ri.cox.net): Joseph James Frantz
[02:57] <elkbuntu> * [Aoirthoir]  #ubuntu-women #ubuntu-men #ubuntu-ohio #ubuntu @##aoirthoir
[02:59] <elkbuntu> -men has the whole of one person in it atm. him.
[03:01] <pleia2> yeah, I looked into that previously
[03:01] <pleia2> was registered by erstazi, who is usually there
[03:02] <pleia2> I work with erstazi on loco stuff, he's never been a problem
[03:03] <Myrtti> "so Aoirthoir, how are you planning to get involved in UbuntuWomen except stalking here for elkbuntu?"
[03:03] <elkbuntu> pleia2, i'd chance he's the guy who posted to my blog about the u-w open week session with 'i have the domain ubuntu-men.org'
[03:04] <nixternal> wtf@!!@ ubuntu-men? who came up with that bright idea?
[03:04] <pleia2> I don't have a problem with banning him if the generel consensus is that he's a problem
[03:04] <pleia2> I just haven't had a good excuse :)
[03:04] <Myrtti> may I, please please pleas
[03:04] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, no, accusations, especially when he has a plausible excuse (-men) would not go down well
[03:05] <elkbuntu> his middle name is "conspiracy theorist"
[03:05] <Myrtti> damn, you're no fun
[03:05] <Myrtti> ;.)
[03:05] <elkbuntu> oh, i'm plenty of fun, i just like well behaved fans ;)
[03:06] <nixternal> elkbuntu: what's wrong with men? :)
[03:06] <nixternal> I still can't get over the fact that someone created ubuntu-men, you know why it was created, there is no other excuse for its creation, ABOLISH IT!
[03:07] <elkbuntu> nixternal, nay. by it's own reasoning, it will never take off
[03:07] <gnomefreak> can someone send an email to gnomefreak AT ubuntu DOT com
[03:07] <elkbuntu> it'll fizzle
[03:07] <nixternal> gnomefreak: I don't care how much you try and mask that email address, you are in for major spam my friend
[03:07] <elkbuntu> done
[03:08] <gnomefreak> im sure
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ty elkbuntu
[03:08] <nixternal> done
[03:08] <nixternal> hehe
[03:08] <jrib> heh me too
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ha i did
[03:08] <gnomefreak> damn
[03:09] <gnomefreak> ty everyone now more work :(
[03:19] <elkbuntu> ompaul, btw, that thing i mentioned to you last week re: defectivebydesign... http://www.google.com.au/search?q=.gif+site:defectivebydesign.org&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=9K0&filter=0
[03:20] <ompaul> if I understand it gif is no longer patented
[03:20] <ompaul> but I'll check :)
[03:21] <pleia2> AFAIK the last international patent expired in 2004
[03:22] <nalioth> gif is no longer patented
[03:22] <elkbuntu> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html still exists though. it just amuses me
[03:22] <pleia2> elkbuntu: consider the source :)
[03:22] <elkbuntu> pleia2, that's precisely my point
[03:23] <pleia2> RMS might hate unisys until the end of time for that patent, but they've actually become less evil in the past few years
[03:23] <ajcoes> ola
[03:24] <elkbuntu> "We were able to search the patent databases of the USA, Canada, Japan, and the European Union. The Unisys patent expired on 20 June 2003 in the USA, in Europe it expired on 18 June 2004, in Japan the patent expired on 20 June 2004 and in Canada it expired on 7 July 2004. The U.S. IBM patent expired 11 August 2006, The Software Freedom Law Center says that after 1 October 2006, there will be no significant patent claims interfering with emp
[03:24] <elkbuntu> loyment of the GIF format."
[03:24] <elkbuntu> dbd.o has been around since longer ago than october last year ;)
[03:24] <elkbuntu> iirc
[03:28] <elkbuntu> since early may 06 tbp
[03:29] <nixternal> nice find elkbuntu
[03:29] <nalioth> you guys didn't know the gif had expired?
[03:29] <nalioth> morning, btw
[03:30] <nixternal> it kills me when Unisys had the patent for gifs, yet they never invented it, I believe the story is they found the info in an ex-employees desk or something
[03:30] <nixternal> mornin' nalioth
[03:30] <pleia2> nixternal: yeah, it was pretty slimy
[03:31] <pleia2> but these days Unisys contributes pretty heavily to kernel development for multiprocessor and high memory Xen kernels
[03:31] <pleia2> and in my area they host *two* of our LUGs
[03:31] <pleia2> so they are working to redeem :)
[03:31] <nixternal> I worked for Unisys (Sperry Rand and Unicorp) back in the late 80's early 90's when I was in high school
[03:31] <nixternal> they are big here in Chicago as well
[03:31] <nixternal> my mom retired from Unisys
[03:39] <elkbuntu> nalioth, i suspected it had, but was not sure
[03:40] <elkbuntu> regardless, the fact that fsf sites used the format prior to complete patent expiration, and even the fact that they humor its usage now after the fact, deeply amuses me
[03:42] <elkbuntu> philosophically speaking, anyway
[03:48] <elkbuntu> the patent we need to concern ourselves with now however, is the mp3 patent which will likely linger for as long as 2012
[03:50] <ompaul> get an ogg :)
[03:51] <gnomefreak> how do you invite yourself to a channel?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> i thought it was /invite #channel
[03:51] <ompaul> as an op
[03:52] <gnomefreak> i cant op myself since i am not there
[03:52] <ompaul> unless the channel is +g then anyone is allowed invite you
[03:52] <nalioth>  /cs invite #channel
[03:52] <ompaul> ahh
[03:52] <nalioth> have to be on the access list with [invite]
[03:53] <gnomefreak> nalioth: ty i tried that first but i think i used ns instead of cs
[04:17] <mc44> elkbuntu: pfft I am so not a stalker.  Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:52] <ompaul> !unix
[09:52] <ubotu> the proprietary operating system that was supposed to be posix complient, just like GNU/Linux
[09:52] <ompaul> so where were we with this?
[09:52] <Myrtti> The proprietary?
[09:53] <Myrtti> I thought there were several unixes out there
[09:53] <ompaul> so lets get it right
[09:53] <Myrtti> could be my mistake though
[09:54] <ompaul> there were several
[09:54] <ompaul> are also
[09:56] <ompaul> unix, an operating system from the '70s, it lead to the posix standard, which was worked into glibc which is the basis of GNU/Linux
[09:56] <ompaul> is that acceptable
[09:57] <ompaul> unix, a set of operating systems, it was started from the '70s, it lead to the posix standard, which was worked into glibc which is the basis of GNU/Linux
[10:07] <ompaul> nalioth, I am unstandard
[11:19] <nzk> Is Seves here?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> nzk: easiest way to find out is " Seveas are you here? "
[11:32] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:36] <nzk> I dont want to hilight him
[11:36] <jrib> too late
[11:36] <jrib> now he's coming to get you
[11:37] <nalioth> nzk: if you don't highlight him, how is he gonna know you're here?
[11:37] <nzk> I think he /ignored me anyway
[11:38] <gnomefreak> nzk: nope i doubt he did
[11:38] <nzk> He even said to me, and I quote, "/ignore time"
[11:46] <PriceChild> nzk, ubuntu operators gave up the right to /ignore
[11:46] <nzk> But hes the big cheese, can't he do whatever he wants
[11:54] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: in most cases.