[22:23] <Mood> quibbler: i think alt+printscreen is particular to Gnome
[22:23] <Mood> quibbler: i'm using xfce
[22:23] <SJr|Work> I get screen cannot be larger than 2048x768
[22:23] <quibbler> Mood: sorry i'm using gnome
[22:23] <soundray> Mood: you could use xwd on the commandline
[22:23] <thomas1978c> oh, and by the way, my responses won't be quick as my connection times out every couple mins
[22:23] <Mood> quibbler: :-)
[22:23] <blackened> jp_sf: I was under the impression that the proprietary drivers didn't work at all with xrandr, at least as far as adding resolutions and refresh rates
[22:23] <dementia_> pike_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111882/
[22:23] <redvamp128> !dkms | keres
[22:24] <dementia_> pike_: that is what i get from that cmd
[22:24] <keres> ah ok
[22:24] <sd32> Scunizi, i dont see sane??
[22:24] <Mood> soundray: holy cow! i just tried xwd and i see a lot of garbage chars in my terminal
[22:25] <Scunizi> sd32: that might just be the back end for xsane.. what kind of issues are you having? not sure if I'll have any answers but I'm curious
[22:25] <soundray> Mood: that's your screenshot. You have to redirect it to a file like so: 'xwd >screenshot.xwd'
[22:25] <thomas1978c> hi redvamp, you were here the other day when I had a/v issues....how are you today?
[22:25] <homecable> what do people use  for / part on a server relatime or noatime ?
[22:25] <soundray> Mood: 'man xwd' is worth reading
[22:25] <redvamp128> thomas1978c:  I am a little tired
[22:25] <Mood> soundray: cool. thank you
[22:25] <jp_sf> blackened: true not all can be configured
[22:25] <thomas1978c> redvamp: up late online?
[22:25] <Samosurfer> HELP....after a routine update I now have no sound......my sound icon is crossed out....terminal dosnt see alsa at all
[22:26] <Mood> soundray: is there a way to screen capture things on the desktop, not necessarily in a terminal?
[22:26] <sd32> Scunizi, the first scan worked, but all the scans after that only scan a third of the page
[22:26] <redvamp128> thomas1978c:  no -- just worked today -- had to do drywall repair - people punch holes in walls--
[22:26] <centaur5> howlingmadhowie: I don't see any errors in there. Shouldn't there be some every time I try to login?
[22:26] <soundray> Mood: have you tried the PrintScreen key as is (no modifiers)?
[22:27] <Scunizi> sd32: ok.. that one's beyond me.. I still have to go into a vm of windows to scan since my scanner isn't supported. sorry I can't help
[22:27] <thomas1978c> redvamp: drywall hanging sucks.
[22:27] <Mood> soundray: yes, i've tried screenprint and screenprint+alt, but they don't seem to work in my distro (xubuntu w/ xfce)
[22:27] <soundray> sd32: what's your problem with xsane?
[22:27] <thomas1978c> redvamp: no holes in my walls....plaster. don't hit it.
[22:27] <Rhorse> Mood, have you tried imagemagick?
[22:27] <soundray> Mood: the key?
[22:28] <Mood> Rhorse: nope. i'
[22:28] <thomas1978c> oooh magic jack on linux. I need help there too
[22:28] <Mood> Rhorse, nope, i'll google for it though
[22:28] <Mood> soundray, yes, the printscren key
[22:28] <Mood> screen*
[22:28] <Rhorse> imagemagick has the import/export command for screenshots of the desktop or any window you specify
[22:29] <peleg> I have a major problem: many movies (but not all of them) does not have sound-image synchornization. It is quite a new issue, and I tend to believe that this is a codecs issue
[22:29] <sd32> soundray,the scan worked fine the first time, then the following scans only scan a third of the page
[22:29] <Mood> seems like there's nothing native in xfce to screencapture... i'd have to install a utility like imagemagick
[22:29] <azerlmf> hi there a
[22:29] <azerlmf> i got a grub problem
[22:29] <thomas1978c> hoping for a lil help with my wifi router? it keeps timing out. netgear wgr614 v9
[22:29] <pike_> dementia_: you want to sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-71
[22:29] <md22> hello. i am deceding whether to get 2gb or 4gb for a linux PC i am building and wonder if 64 bit linux has caught up with 32 bit linux in terms of compatibility (able to run both 32 bit and 64 bit without any major problems)
[22:29] <azerlmf> i install ubuntu 8.10 then mandriva
[22:29] <pike_> thats the legacy driver
[22:29] <azerlmf> after
[22:29] <dementia_> pike_: i just reinstalled numerous nvidia packages from synaptic... oh ok, i'll try that next
[22:29] <redvamp128> thomas1978c:  see pm
[22:29] <soundray> sd32: it's worth reporting this as a bug
[22:30] <ortsvorsteher> !enter | azerlmf
[22:30] <azerlmf> now i can't boot to ubuntu
[22:30] <peleg> It happens with .avi movies -- but not with all of them. Do you think there's a way to fix that somehow?
[22:30] <soundray> sd32: perhaps try kooka - it has KDE dependencies, but should run in gnome, too
[22:30] <chazco> Hi... i've been told ssh with X forwarding is a reasonable solution for remote controling a netbook. Can anyone recommend a good tutorial on getting a secure ssh service set up?
[22:30] <sd32> soundray, not that advanced
[22:30] <azerlmf> *              /kernel/boot/vmlinuz-26.27-7-generic root = UUID = c8098f70-7ebe-45df921a-673f0-ef5c256 ro qquiet splash error 15 : file not found press any key to continue *
[22:30] <blackened> Mood: you could also install scrot through the repos. You might also check to see if there's an xfce panel applet available for screenshots
[22:30] <sd32> soundray, ok thanks for the sugesstion
[22:31] <azerlmf> when i try to boot it give me that result :
[22:31] <azerlmf> *              /kernel/boot/vmlinuz-26.27-7-generic root = UUID = c8098f70-7ebe-45df921a-673f0-ef5c256 ro qquiet splash error 15 : file not found press any key to continue *
[22:31] <jp_sf> thomas1978c: describe timing out, you computer ? your loosing connectivity you can connect to the internet ?
[22:31] <Pirate_Hunter> how can i identify why rtorrent is literally taking 100% cpu on start up it freezes the system for 1 minute or so but that shouldnt happen and hasnt happened till now?
[22:31] <Mood> blackened: thank you, i'll look for one
[22:31] <soundray> sd32: you don't have to be "advanced" to report a bug
[22:31] <dementia_> pike_: ok that install is running now
[22:31] <blackened> Mood: no sweat. sudo apt-get install scrot
[22:31] <soundray> !bugs | sd32
[22:31] <pike_> dementia_: also if you only need 2d we can probably get that fixed if i know the lspci output and the xorg.conf file
[22:31] <blackened> then use the man pages
[22:31] <pike_> dementia_: if this fails
[22:31] <BluesKaj> hiyas , just decided to try gnome again after 3 yrs of kde ...kde4.2 drove me out
[22:32] <dementia_> pike_: ok i'm going to restart x real quick... the install just completed
[22:32] <dementia_> pike_: brb
[22:33] <centaur5> howlingmadhowie: You were right, I had to specify refresh rates.  Thank you!  Next time I have a TNT2 I'll just stick with Hardy since Intrepid has the new xorg.
[22:34] <redvamp128> azerlmf:  you should be able to choose another kernel to get it to boot
[22:34] <TuxSympathiser> The ACPI is causing my computer to lock up when changing power source and connected to the internet using ethernet
[22:34] <Omar87> How do I activate Mod_Python?
[22:34] <DeepTrout> how do i do anything?
[22:34] <dementia_> pike_: you're a genius pike... i have my resolutions and my refresh rate back
[22:34] <jpds> Omar87: Try asking in #ubuntu-server.
[22:34] <DeepTrout> :-)
[22:35] <pike_> dementia_: cool. its usually not this bad I hope you enjoy ubuntu:)
[22:35] <dementia_> pike_: :-) i know that drivers are always the downfall
[22:36] <DeepTrout> seriously i just downloaded ubuntu yesterday because i am sick of microsoft and apple and wanted to try something new but i am completely clueless
[22:36] <dementia_> pike_: before you were mentioning nv, how do i use that cmd? is 3d/opengl possible on my old card?
[22:37] <Gustavo_G> Does Ubuntu 8.10 come with Samba ? I'm looking to view shared files on a windows box.
[22:37] <jimius> DeepTrout >> it's not as tough as you think, it just requires a little more hands-on
[22:37] <azerlmf> how to choose ? redvamp128
[22:37] <pike_> dementia_: it should be working now. nv is the open source driver that is really only good for 2d vid and stuff. the driver you installed is nvidias proprietary driver and should have all the possible bells and whistles
[22:37] <jp_sf> Gustavo_G: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/internet/C/networking-shares.html
[22:38] <sd32> man launchpad even has a bug
[22:38] <ruben23> hi i installed ssh server package where can i find its sshd-config
[22:38] <pike_> dementia_: install tremulous and see if you can run it :)
[22:39] <miha> ruben23:  /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[22:39] <miha> oh
[22:39] <DeepTrout> ive got it up and running ok and have all my drivers updated and when i found a program that looked interesting for the desktop interface i (beryl) but now that i have downlaoded it i cant install it when i go to the add/remove programs on the bar at the bottom it doesnt find it
[22:39] <dementia_> pike_: ok under appearance, if i try to enable visual effects for normal, or extra. it won't let me... i'll try installing tremulous
[22:39] <miha> hm
[22:40] <Gustavo_G> jp_sf, thank you.
[22:40] <DeepTrout> so im assuming i have to do something from the command line from what the help file says but again im clueless
[22:41] <dementia_> pike_: do you have a suggestion for an extremely well supported nvidia card that would run 3d like butter on ubuntu?
[22:41] <Rhorse> ruben23, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-openssh-server-installation-and-configuration/
[22:41] <DeepTrout> not sure
[22:42] <DeepTrout> i was expecting that to be an issue honestly
[22:42] <jp_sf> DeepTrout: beryl like in Beryl windows manager ? If so this project is now compiz
[22:42] <DeepTrout> the laptop is definately not top of the line
[22:42] <DeepTrout> this isnt so much a beryl specific question
[22:43] <lopin> Hello.  I'm having problems with floppy drives.  I can't get any disks to read properly with any drive, on any computer...
[22:43] <DeepTrout> in fact nevermind i have allot more reading to do
[22:43] <DeepTrout> thanks anyway though :-0
[22:43] <jp_sf> DeepTrout: sorry you post a lot what is your question ?
[22:43] <DeepTrout> :-)
[22:43] <pike_> dementia_: ive never had trouble with any of them anything after geforce4 def
[22:44] <BlackBatMan> anybody knows a channel that can answer this ? : time a 32WHr 4 cell battery last?
[22:45] <jp_sf> lopin: you can't access your floppy drive ?
[22:46]  * BluesKaj looks around for familiar nicks.....
[22:46] <TuxSympathiser> how does the acpi effect the ethernet controller when I unplug the AC from my laptop?
[22:46] <dementia_> pike_: I have a pretty decent card in my xp box... a geforce 9500 gt with 512 megs of ram
[22:47] <lopin> jp_sf: Kinda...
[22:47] <lopin> I can't get any disks through any drives on any of my computers to format.
[22:47] <thomas1978c> jpsf: my router disconnects then reconnects every couple minutes.
[22:47] <jp_sf> lopin: it does mount ?
[22:47] <jp_sf> lopin: what do you have in /dev/fd0
[22:47] <lopin> I keep getting the Cannot Determine Disk Geometry error...
[22:47] <agent007> hello everyone, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out?
[22:48] <daedra> i realised something in my OS lecture today
[22:48] <lopin> jp_sf: About 40 different Floppy disk in my /dev/fd0...
[22:48] <quibbler> !ask | agent007
[22:48] <lopin> I'm using gfloppy to format, and I keep getting that error.  Regardless of wether the disk is old or new, the computer is old or new, or the drive itself is old or new...
[22:48] <agent007> Thank you...........
[22:48] <dementia_> pike_: i'm going to restart after tremulous installs be back thereafter
[22:49] <thomas1978c> sorry if my responses are slow. I only have a few seconds then I get disconnected from my netgear wgr614 v9
[22:49] <StanManCan> How difficult is it to setup Ubuntu Server to be a web/file/mail server ??
[22:49] <BluesKaj> lopin , can't see it in applications/computer ?
[22:49] <agent007> Well I installed Ubuntu last night. I installed on top of Windows. I have the option to multi boot. I choose ubuntu and it brings me to a DOS liek prompt. What am I supposed to do next?
[22:49] <lopin> It won't mount...
[22:49] <lopin> It sits there, and then says can't mount file...
[22:50] <_VIM_> anyone here get CS3 working in wine? on Ubuntu 8.04 specifically, the wine channel doesnt respond and ive searched the wine app database but get conflicting reports.
[22:51] <BlackBatMan> anybody knows a channel that can answer this ? : time a 32WHr 4 cell battery last?
[22:51] <lopin> I just need a single floppy to hold a format for twenty minutes so I can flash my bios...
[22:51] <lopin> I'm not asking for much...
[22:51] <lopin> I swear, I'm going to cry...
[22:51] <thomas1978c> can anyone help me get my router/wifi sigmal to stop timing out?
[22:51] <_VIM_> i too have floppy drive issues i feel your pain
[22:52] <thomas1978c> I have a netgear wgr614 v9
[22:52] <dementia_> pike_: tremulous does not load at all... brb after reboot
[22:52] <_VIM_> !away > JamesMowery|away
[22:52] <vigo> lopin: can you use a flash drive?
[22:52] <jp_sf> lopin: what error message do you have if you : sudo mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[22:52] <Gustavo_G> BlackBatMan: try #electronics
[22:53] <quibbler> _VIM_: you might try in the ubuntu forums in the wine forum : http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313
[22:53] <Gustavo_G> BlackBatMan: just divide by the number of watts the load draws, and that tells you how many hours it lasts. Most battery ratings are stated in mA hours, a watt is a volt x an ampere
[22:53] <_VIM_> ok quibbler thanks :)
[22:53] <lopin> vigo: No.  I have to either flash with Windows (The problem being that I can't get windows to install) or by floppy from inside the current bios...
[22:54] <hayvan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRB1vQVqdQA
[22:54] <Gustavo_G> !away > Gustavo_G
[22:54] <vigo> lopin: use a CD-R , does not really matter what the media is. To flash a BIOS all that is needed is the data input method.
[22:54] <_VIM_> lopin: have you tried Puppy linux live cd? It's really good at getting hard to mount drives mounted
[22:55] <lopin> vigo: I don't have a utiity to flash a bios without a functioning floppy drive.  I have no way to flash via cd
[22:55] <lopin> Problem is not the mounting...
[22:55] <lopin> Problem is the floppy drive...
[22:55] <vigo> lopin: uhmm,,working it out here.I have bee through that a few times
[22:56] <frostburn> what would cause the trash icon to take up 1pixel in width, essentially making it invisible?
[22:56] <lopin> vigo: I have to thank you for the help, and apologize for being terse.  Like I said, I'm very upset, and to the point of tears.  This is my first build with actual purchased hardware from scratch....
[22:57] <lopin> I'm very depressed that I can't even get my own system up and running...
[22:57] <thomas1978c> anyone help fix router, netgear wgr614 v9  drivers not working correctly. keep getting connection termination. 2 minute loop.
[22:57] <lopin> And, mount with auto flag required a filesystem, when gave msdos, it complained that it couldn't read the superblock...
[22:58] <Gustavo_G> I just made some changes through preferences > Network Configuration. How do I "apply" these changes. ifconfig shows that they haven't yet been
[22:58] <vigo> lopin: here> http://www.computing.net/answers/hardware/flash-bios-without-floppy/32745.html
[22:59] <pike_> lopin: have you tried freedos?
[22:59] <homecable> is -server does it have spport for a p4 with ht in the kernel
[22:59] <homecable> 2.6.24-19-server
[22:59] <homecable> ?
[22:59] <lopin> pike_: Biostar does not provide a DOS application for flashing bios.  It's a Windows App, or A built in update with a floppy disk...
[22:59] <thomas1978c> ok, im back in again
[22:59] <thomas1978c> this is so lame
[22:59] <nethans> nethans
[23:00] <bonka> hi how to listen music when i talk with skype? ubuntu 8.04... how to solve this? in 7.04 i can use skype ant listens music... need help peoples!
[23:00] <Droopsta915> can i get sound to work on virtual box?
[23:01] <Gustavo_G> The network configuration documents I am finding about Ubunutu all discuss modifying a text file. Is there any graphical method?
[23:01] <lopin> vigo: I don't have a functioning copy of Windows, to use the application.  That's the problem  I have to update the bios in order for the windows installers to stop freezing...
[23:01] <pike_> lopin: this uses it seems a combination of freedos and mounting the floppy image. may work dunno.  http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html
[23:02] <MrWindex> hey all, how come I installed ubuntu-studio but I can't find a shortcut for it on the applications menu?
[23:02] <pike_> MrWindex: try pkill gnome-panel
[23:02] <lopin> pike_: Not an option.  I can only use the floppy for the update IN THE BIOS.  The only other way to update the bios is with a WINDOWS application.  FORGET DOS.  It's not an option.
[23:03] <MrWindex> pike: thank you for your help, but no luck :(
[23:04] <huh> help
[23:04] <MrWindex> pike: should I check that it's installed properly?
[23:04] <comradekingu> My tracks are listed multiple times in the new rhythmbox
[23:04] <_cb> If I want to clone /sda to /sdb can I do it booting from /sda and running ddrescue from /sda ?
[23:04] <harlemdavvey> hey guys how can i format a creative mp3 player by command line using the terminal??
[23:04] <bonka> hi how to listen music when i talk with skype? ubuntu 8.04... how to solve this? in 7.04 i can use skype ant listens music... need help
[23:04] <pike_> MrWindex: so ubuntu studio is a metapackage i think. that means it pulls in all sorts of other packages but isnt an app itself
[23:05] <tweak> anyone know how to find out if i have tdr1 or tdr2 ram?
[23:05] <MrWindex> oh, okay
[23:05] <MrWindex> so I have to install something else then?
[23:05] <agent007> Well I installed Ubuntu last night. I installed on top of Windows. I have the option to multi boot. I choose ubuntu and it brings me to a DOS liek prompt. What am I supposed to do next?
[23:05] <pike_> MrWindex: what package name did you install?  on 8.04 (my system) itd be like ubuntustudio-desktop
[23:06] <MrWindex> I did ubuntustudio-desktop
[23:06] <Gustavo_G> The changes I'm making to my network connection are not being reflected if I do an ifconfig eth0
[23:06] <Gustavo_G> agent007: try hitting Ctrl-Alt-F7
[23:06] <homecable> does the kernel in unbunto support p4 ht cpu ?
[23:06] <vigo> lopin: ahhh,,,I am about to dump windows altogether now,,so I am still learning how to unbrand the hardware stuff,,,that freeDOS suggestion I saw was a good alternative, or seems to be
[23:06] <homecable> or do i need to make a custem kernel
[23:06] <pike_> MrWindex: eh id think that would be it.  maybe try logging out/back in see if themes and stuff change
[23:06] <harlemdavvey> guys can anyone help me?
[23:07] <pike_> homecable: the generic kernel should
[23:07] <harlemdavvey> i would like to format a mp3 player by command in the terminal.. how can i do?
[23:07] <howlingmadhowie> homecable: it should support it. i can't see a reason for the ubuntu kernel team to disable support for ht
[23:07] <tweak66> anyone know how to tell what kind of memory i have?
[23:07] <MrWindex> pike: okay I'll try that. I have to go to dinner, so I may not come back after I try it, but I'll be in this channel later for sure. thank you for your help
[23:07] <bonka> solved... thanks ;D
[23:07] <bonka> bye=D
[23:08] <homecable> pike_ is there a benchmark test i can on on my box and see how fast things are ?
[23:08] <harlemdavvey> .. oh ok guys.. solved:) thx anyway:)
[23:08] <harlemdavvey> bye
[23:08] <pike_> harlemdavvey: you are sure you want to do this?  easiest method maybe sudo fdisk -l to see the partitions and then sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1 or whatever partition. make sure of the partition and that its ok to just reformat it (doesnt have any config files etc the mp3 player needs)
[23:08] <Gustavo_G> The changes I'm making to my network connection are not being reflected if I do an ifconfig eth0.
[23:08] <sisco> im trying to install xf86-video-intel on ubuntu 8.10 and im getting 'no package xorg-server found'
[23:08] <pike_> lol'
[23:08] <md22> hallelujah my ubuntu linux supports my tv card that windows vista  though was crap (didn't have drivers)
[23:08] <dementia_> pike_: so yeah, i have 0 3d support right now, and searching nvidia's site has suggested as you had stated that geforce 4 or better is the best bet for linux
[23:09] <dementia_> pike_: my old geforce 2 ti is not up for 3d apparently
[23:09] <pike_> dementia_: the reason for that is that the package are broken into nvidia-legacy and nvidia and nvidia-new  your card is legacy and so fairly old but ive dropped those cards in systems for forever the usually work well
[23:09] <howlingmadhowie> sisco: can you try sudo apt-get update
[23:10] <Rhorse> md22, may Ubuntu bless you, keep you. Now go, and spread the word.
[23:10] <huh> ctrl+t is'nt working
[23:10] <md22> haha :D
[23:10] <sisco> has yeah its up to date
[23:10] <huh> no :(
[23:10] <howlingmadhowie> md22: and join the church of emacs while you're at it :-D
[23:10] <pike_> homecable: how fast disk write is or opengl or what?
[23:10]  * _VIM_ glares at howlingmadhowie
[23:10] <sisco> howlingmadhowie yes it is up to date
[23:11] <tweak66> anyone know about RAM? i need to find out what kind of ram i need to buy
[23:11] <lopin> vigo: the FreeDOS suggestion would only work if Biostar provided a DOS application for flashing the bios.  Seeing as they don't have one, then I'm stuck.
[23:11] <sisco> i believe it may be looking in the wrong place posibly
[23:11] <sisco> tweak66: #hardware
[23:11] <dementia_> pike_: i think i'm going to switch back to the ATI card until such time that I can get a newer nvidia card in this computer
[23:11] <smo_PenguinStyle> Hey all.  Does anyone know a way to create a stand-alone form that a person can fill out, save, and print?  I'm trying to use OpenOffice, but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. :(
[23:11] <md22> tweak66:what processor do you have
[23:11] <tweak66> 3.02 intel single core
[23:11] <dementia_> pike_: unless you think that is a terrible idea
[23:11] <pike_> sisco: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel  what youre looking for?
[23:11] <md22> tweak66:P4 ?
[23:12] <tweak66> celeron D?
[23:12] <smo_PenguinStyle> Hey all.  Does anyone know a way to create a stand-alone form that a person can fill out, save, and print?   :C
[23:12] <pike_> dementia_: you can always use both at once and have 2 desktops :)
[23:12] <_VIM_> !ohmy | lopin
[23:13] <howlingmadhowie> _VIM_: http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/images/product_images/popup_images/3988_0.jpg
[23:13] <dementia_> pike_: only 1 agp slot available on this computer
[23:13] <pike_> ah so much for that then
[23:13] <_VIM_> lol howlingmadhowie ive seen that before ;)
[23:13] <sisco> pike_ no thats already installed, i want the xf86-video-intel-2.6.1 drivers to take full advantage
[23:13] <md22> tweak66:its hard to say since you have a celeron D. it could either be ddr or ddr2. let some one checkout your motherboard
[23:13] <dementia_> pike_: but yeah, amd's purchase of ati seems promising
[23:14] <smo_PenguinStyle> Hey all.  Does anyone know a way to create a stand-alone form that a person can fill out, save, and print?  I'm trying to use OpenOffice, but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. :(
[23:14] <dementia_> pike_: they put out a driver yesterday, and my messing with it is what got me into the safe mode graphics issue in the 1st place
[23:15] <sisco> i am trying to fix the problem xorg-server not found
[23:15] <pike_> dementia_: just do a cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-nvidia then you can always copy that back to xorg.conf to restore. im all about backup files
[23:15] <_cb> If I want to clone /sda to /sdb can I do it booting from /sda and running ddrescue from /sda ?
[23:16] <smo_PenguinStyle> Hey all.  Does anyone know a way to create a stand-alone form that a person can fill out, save, and print?  I'm trying to use OpenOffice, but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. :(
[23:16] <foolz> I have a question - I just realized that my update manager has not been updating in a while, and I get the error "could not download all repository indexes" no matter which mirror I try to choose from - I am running Feisty 7.04.  Is this version no longer supported for automatic program updates?
[23:16] <sd32> !repeat
[23:17] <_VIM_> _cb: ive always heard you're not supposed to dd copy a drive that is mounted...have you tried Clonezilla?
[23:17] <Gohalien> oh dear God, how do I restore GRUB ? Installed to test windows 7 and it did a mess...
[23:17] <_VIM_> !mbr | Gohalien
[23:17] <Andry_2> no wonder
[23:17] <Gohalien> ty
[23:17] <_VIM_> np
[23:17] <howlingmadhowie> foolz: i think feisty was only supported until october 2008
[23:17] <bdelin88> i am using ubuntu server, but i think this question pertains here as well...
[23:18] <foolz> howling, ah, thanks... that probably explains it.  I had not been getting automatic updates in a while, I just didn't really think about it until now, haha
[23:18] <mrwes> Gohalien: that'll teach you for messin' wit windows
[23:18] <foolz> I guess I will have to update and hope it doesn't rename my partitions and screw things up like last time
[23:18] <mrwes> :)
[23:18] <sisco> i am compiling a driver and it says xorg-server not found
[23:18] <_cb> _VIM_ did not know about Clonezilla. Will google it.  If I want to run ddrescue from a flash drive do I simply copy the ddescue file? Is it like an .exe in windows (newbie to linux)
[23:19] <bdelin88> i am using ubuntu server, but i think this question pertains here as well... i just used cfdisk from command line to format another hardrive in the computer to NTFS for multi-os storage.  Now... when i run "mount" of look at the fstab it is not showing?  USB external also do not show, anyone know what is up?  I also have ntfs-3g installed
[23:19] <dementia_> pike_: well, thanks for all of your help
[23:19] <Gohalien> thanks a lot
[23:19] <_VIM_> im not familar with that really _cb , ive only used Clonezilla :)
[23:19] <bdelin88> as well as pmount
[23:19] <howlingmadhowie> foolz: i always do a clean install. if you have space and time for backups, that's the way to go
[23:19] <Darwin-LTS> hello guys, I have a soundblaster audigy 7.1 after a couple of things I googled I managed it to work but just noticed that not sound at flash videos such as youtube and else, what can I do to fix it??
[23:19] <dementia_> have a good evening folks
[23:19] <foolz> howling, that's true... I could always just do a clean install if the update fails though, right?
[23:20] <bdelin88> i am using ubuntu server, but i think this question pertains here as well... i just used cfdisk from command line to format another hardrive in the computer to NTFS for multi-os storage.  Now... when i run "mount" of look at the fstab it is not showing?  USB external also do not show, anyone know what is up?  I also have ntfs-3g and pmount installed
[23:20] <Gerinych> is there anything like ksysguard for gnome?
[23:20] <_VIM_> _cb: I gotta go though, just keep repeating your question like every 10 mins, and someone will help , good luck :)
[23:20] <_cb> _VIM_ thanks
[23:20] <howlingmadhowie> foolz: yepp :)
[23:20] <foolz> my computer dual boots ubuntu and windows, and to be honest I have been letting my Linux knowledge stagnate lately (kind of a linux newb to begin with) so I wanna go the path of least resistance, hehe
[23:20] <exodus_ms> did you try sudo maount -a
[23:20] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: you talking to me?
[23:20] <Gustavo_G> The changes I'm making to my network connection are not being reflected if I do an ifconfig eth0. What is the proper way to change my network settings?
[23:20] <Crayboff> umm I accidentally removed something from sessions, so can someone with intrepid ibex tell me what they have in their sessions which starts with "A" default things are all i need
[23:21] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: yeah mount -a
[23:21] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: i just did that and it doesn't respond, it just enters the command
[23:21] <evilGUI> I have been trying to get cron to run a perl script every 30 minutes for the past few days I entered this into crontab -e */33 * * * * /home/lendon/e.pl -u -p -d
[23:21] <shyam_k> foolz: but with windows it may not be the direct heat resistance but the non-free inductance that causes reactance making the way harder:P
[23:21] <howlingmadhowie> foolz: i can't remember how good the distro updater was for 7.04->7.10. that could get quite hairy if you've configured things like additional repositories
[23:21] <svalenci> crayboff - AT SPI Registry Wrapper
[23:21] <bdelin88> (just thought i'd throw out that windows 7 is tremendous compared to vista)
[23:22] <bdelin88> i just beta tested it
[23:22] <foolz> howling, hmm, that is unfortunate... I guess perhaps I will be forced to brush up on my Linux knowledge hehe
[23:22] <dimitris> Can someone suggest a usb tv card for my laptop that will work with Ubuntu 8.10?
[23:22] <Darwin-LTS> hello guys, I have a soundblaster audigy 7.1 after a couple of things I googled I managed it to work but just noticed that not sound at flash videos such as youtube and else, what can I do to fix it??
[23:22] <Crayboff> svalenci, is that a default one?
[23:22] <paul68> where can I find the trash folder in 8.10?
[23:22] <shyam_k> Is carsten agger out here? would like to talk to him!
[23:22] <bdelin88> i am using ubuntu server, but i think this question pertains here as well... i just used cfdisk from command line to format another hardrive in the computer to NTFS for multi-os storage.  Now... when i run "mount" of look at the fstab it is not showing?  USB external also do not show, anyone know what is up?  I also have ntfs-3g and pmount installed
[23:22] <svalenci> crayboff - is the only session I have starting an A.
[23:23] <Crayboff> svalenci, would you mind sending me the command?
[23:23] <phenom> Would any one have any idea why the bluetooth applet is eating all of my diskspace,, and how to recover it maybe?
[23:23] <foolz> shyam_k, yeah, I was forced to go on my windows partition recently for the first time in a while to mess with my Ipod.... oof, what a headache... slower than molasses
[23:23] <digitalslave> anyone been having sound problems all the sudden?
[23:23] <svalenci> the command is /usr/lib/gnome-session/helpers/at-spi-registryd-wrapper
[23:23] <phenom> I plug in a bluetooth dongle and it is literally eating all my diskspace..
[23:24] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: ? mount -a then check fstab, your ntfs partitions should show up then
[23:24] <Crayboff> thx, svalenci.
[23:24] <pike_> bdelin88: often when you repartition a reboot is the easiest solution (if using a desktop)
[23:24] <bdelin88> pike_: i did reboot and it's on a desktop
[23:24] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: it does not show
[23:24] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: only Ext3 and swap + cdroms
[23:24] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: sudo fdisk -l | grep NTFS | awk '{print $1}'
[23:24] <Crayboff> now i'd just like someone to confirm that that is the one I deleted, just to be sure. Is AT SPI Registry Wrapper the only thing in sessions starting with an "a"?
[23:24] <Darwin-LTS> .local/share/Trash/files paul68
[23:25] <paul68> Darwin-LTS: thanks
[23:25] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: it replies with "/dev/sda6" which is the drive I am trying to mount
[23:26] <evilGUI> anyone know how you would run perl scripts in crontab? just link to the perl script like this? */123 * * * * /home/lendon/e.pl -u username -p password -d domain
[23:26] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: ok, that is ntfs then, chang ethe entry in fstab for that partition from ntfs to ntfs-3g
[23:26] <fruit-dude> hello guys, I have a soundblaster audigy 7.1 after a couple of things I googled I managed it to work but just noticed that not sound at flash videos such as youtube and else, what can I do to fix it?? can somebody help me
[23:27] <paul68> fruit-dude: if you let a shell script remove files where do they go any Ideas?
[23:27] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: that is the problem, there is no entry in fstab
[23:27] <fruit-dude> what shell scrip paul68 ??
[23:27] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: do i need to manually add one?
[23:27] <miha> fruit-dude: not sure if it applies to you, but i need to disable built in AC97 motherboard audio, for SB live to work:)
[23:27] <cadman21> can anyone tell me how I can play 3gp videos with sound?
[23:27] <fruit-dude> already did miha
[23:27] <miha> fruit-dude: in bios...
[23:27] <rdw200169> miha, you should be able to do that in the BIOS
[23:27] <miha> oh
[23:27] <miha> yes
[23:27] <Crayboff> ah well I'll assume that it is, thanks again svalenci
[23:27] <fruit-dude> the problem is ffox flash videos
[23:27] <miha> sorry
[23:27] <miha> :)
[23:28] <pike_> fruit-dude: how about if you play the files with like mplayer when they appear in /tmp (all flash files are cached in /tmp when viewed in browser)
[23:28] <FloodBot1> miha: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:28] <fruit-dude> else works
[23:28] <rdw200169> miha, that, or you can adjust the pulseaudio configuration to work with the other soundcard
[23:28] <miha> rdw200169: whatever works first
[23:28] <miha> hehe
[23:28] <paul68> fruit-dude: I made a shell script that updates my rar files with pictures found in the Picture folder and delete the files afterwards however I dont know where he stocks the files then?
[23:28] <fruit-dude> pike not acceptable, I wan't my wife to be able to do it
[23:28] <fruit-dude> miha thanks
[23:29] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: <your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[23:29] <sd32> sure wish my usb external sound blaster sound card would work with ubuntu
[23:29] <fruit-dude> paul68 if you rm -f they are gone for ever, sorry
[23:29] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: ok i will try that
[23:29] <paul68> fruit-dude: just using rm
[23:30] <fruit-dude> yes they are gone paul68
[23:30] <paul68> fruit-dude: ok thanks
[23:30] <fruit-dude> just in case
[23:30] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: after you add the entry try    sudo mkdir -p /media/<mount point>
[23:30] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: i just ran the UUID command "blkid" just out of curiosity and it reports the TYPE="vfat" for sda6
[23:30] <fruit-dude> you can sudo updatedb; locate File_name
[23:31] <cadman21> does anyone know anything about 3gp video format?
[23:31] <Rhorse> cadman21, it's the camera vid format i think
[23:31] <unkmar> What is the simpliest method of sharing an internet connection using Ubuntu?
[23:31] <pike_> unkmar: firestarter probably
[23:31] <rdw200169> unkmar, use firestarter... it does it
[23:31] <leeping2007> Hey there.  I'm trying to serve a Ubuntu Hardy Server Install CD over my local network.  My client machine boots but complains that it can't find the CD-ROM.  However, it doesn't actually need the CD-ROM, I think I can simply trick it into thinking there's a CD-ROM by creating a link in the /dev directory ... but what link should I make? Thanks!
[23:31] <cadman21> Rhorse: I have a couple of videos in that format but when I play them they only have video and no sound? is there a way to fix that?
[23:31] <bekks> hi
[23:32] <Rhorse> Yes.
[23:32] <bekks> using hardy LTS, is there a chance to get that intrepid "Create USB install medium" functionality?
[23:32] <fruit-dude> pike_ do you say that no way to configure 7.1 sblaster sound card to work properly web and so?? there has to be a way, I already installed pulse audio but that before I skipped the built-in soundcard
[23:32] <miha> cadman21: well do they originally have sound? that's used by phones to record video
[23:32] <miha> cadman21: on windows, quicktime works to open them
[23:33] <koshari> leeping2007 you will ikely need to create an iso and serve that.
[23:33] <Rhorse> cadman21, VLC will play them just fine.
[23:33] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: $ sudo mount -p sda6
[23:33] <bdelin88> mount: argument to -p or --pass-fd must be a number
[23:33] <unkmar> I have internet via wirless and would like to share the connection via the network card to a hub.
[23:33] <unkmar> In winders XP, I would simply select the 2 interfaces, right click and select bridge.
[23:33] <koshari> cadman21 get the correct codecs
[23:33] <cadman21> miha: yeah I can watch them on windows.
[23:33] <leeping2007> koshari, thanks.  I think I can try that :)
[23:34] <Rhorse> koshari, doesn't need them. vlc handles .3gp fine
[23:34] <unkmar> dang lag..
[23:35] <koshari> Rhorse all the same thats a work around rather than a fix
[23:35] <leeping2007> koshari, but why do I have to serve an iso?  I've extracted the ISO already .. it boots and everything, just complains that it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive
[23:35] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: ok that directory is made
[23:35] <miha> unkmar: http://lindesk.com/2007/04/internet-connection-sharing-using-iptables/ something like this... http://lindesk.com/2007/04/internet-connection-sharing-using-iptables/
[23:35] <Rhorse> Yea, it's a peculiarity of the audio track with that format
[23:35] <miha> sorry for pasting twice:(
[23:35] <fruit-dude> mhh
[23:35]  * unkmar has started install of firestarter.
[23:35] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: then  sudo umount <your partition>
[23:36] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: then    sudo mount -a
[23:36] <koshari> leeping2007 what are you wanting to do? just see files from the remote?
[23:36] <stermi> hi all, someone used CUnit? I need to know which is the packages and where it will be installed
[23:36] <Rhorse> koshari, it uses a very low bit rate audio sample rate for economy on cell phones
[23:36] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: do i umount sda6, /media/sda6, or /dev/sda6, because it says all three are not mounted
[23:37] <Ms_Hutch> i have two sound cards (on built in on motherboard) and I am trying to use the motherboards sound card for skype and all other sound with the other card... the other card is working fine and the speakers to the builtin card work but not the microphone.  can anyone help?
[23:37] <koshari> Rhorse iam aware of 3gp , my nokia records it natively
[23:37] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: you can try that one, but when you run mount -a it will try to mount everything
[23:37] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: looks like there's a problem with the formatting
[23:37] <bdelin88> NTFS signature is missing.
[23:37] <cadman21> Rhorse: is there a VLC plugin for movie player?
[23:37] <bdelin88> Failed to mount '/dev/sda6': Invalid argument
[23:37] <bdelin88> The device '/dev/sda6' doesn't have a valid NTFS.
[23:37] <bdelin88> Maybe you selected the wrong device? Or the whole disk instead of a
[23:37] <bdelin88> partition (e.g. /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1)? Or the other way around?
[23:37] <FloodBot1> bdelin88: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:37] <keithclark> Hi there, I get no sound at all out of my system....how to begin troubleshooting?
[23:37] <Rhorse> koshari, right :)
[23:37] <pike_> fruit-dude: im sure you can get it to work. sure youre using the adobe plugin an not the open source flash?
[23:37] <koshari> keithclark to begin with have you checked the mixer
[23:37] <fruit-dude> keithclark, do you have more than 1 sound card?
[23:37] <miha> keithclark: by dmesg | less
[23:37] <keithclark> yes
[23:38] <keithclark> One sound card
[23:38] <miha> keithclark: then  alsamixer ?
[23:38] <dli> keithclark, 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
[23:38] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111902/
[23:38] <Rhorse> cadman21, no
[23:38] <miha> hehe
[23:38] <leeping2007> koshari, I would like my client machine to install the Hardy server over the network, as if I had inserted a CD
[23:38] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, what sound system does Skype use? /dev/dsp right?
[23:38] <keithclark> dli, holy cow!
[23:38] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: i posted the problem there but it looks like there is an ntfs problem, is there a better thing to use than cfdisk from the command line?
[23:38] <Rhorse> cadman21, why you just install vlc?
[23:38] <CyberGabber> keithclark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[23:38] <koshari> leeping2007 it would need to be booted from the medium to do that
[23:39] <leeping2007> koshari, I've done it before ... it was a year ago though :P
[23:39] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: did you format that whole drive as ntfs or just a section of it
[23:39] <cadman21> Rhorse: sudo apt-get insatll VLC?
[23:39] <leeping2007> The client machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive
[23:39] <Rhorse> cadman sudo apt-get install vlc
[23:39] <keithclark> CyberGabber, I went through that and I'm here
[23:39] <Ms_Hutch> rdw200169, i am not sure... under the setting I can choose the card and it gives hw:Intel,1 information for each card
[23:39] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: it is a partition of the entire hard drive, and yes i formatted the whole partition ntfs
[23:39] <comacity> hello my friends
[23:39] <cadman21> Rhorse: thanks a ton
[23:39] <xbmc> No package 'xorg-server' found
[23:39] <koshari> leeping2007 use a usb install medium
[23:39] <Rhorse> cadman21, no problem
[23:40] <xbmc> what is causing that??
[23:40] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, ah, that's alsa; do you know what sound system the rest of your computer is using; pulseaudio i think is the default now
[23:40] <laughyn1nj4> what are boot images, and why does GRUB need them?
[23:40] <keithclark> Ok, thanks....sound seems to be a problem.
[23:40] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: use fdisk and grep again to list all ntfs partitions
[23:40] <Ms_Hutch> rdw200169, i am running kde so i believe it is alsa as well
[23:40] <leeping2007> koshari, I could, but it's just so much less cool :)
[23:40] <bdelin88> 1 sec
[23:41] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: 1 sec
[23:41] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, well, you can just change the device in that Skype config, perhaps to hw:<other card>
[23:41] <koshari> leeping2007 i beleive what you were proposing is possable via a network connection, i saw a few people doing so at a LUG nite once
[23:42] <stermi> someone used CUnit?
[23:42] <leeping2007> koshari, I think I got it to work at some point -- I had to make the installer OS believe that the CD-ROM was mounted
[23:42] <Ms_Hutch> rdw200169, that is what i am trying... but it seems that no matter what I choose it does not work
[23:42] <leeping2007> but I actually don't remember how to do that
[23:42] <koshari> leeping2007 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-locally-over-the-network/
[23:42] <keithclark> So there is no easy problem to sound problems?  I see tons showing up here.
[23:42] <leeping2007> koshari, I'll look at that. Thanks :)
[23:43] <koshari> leeping2007 it would appear you need the alt disc
[23:43] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, if your system is using pulseaudio, you may be running into the issues outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[23:44] <leeping2007> koshari, yeah .. I think I'll either get that or do a regular network install (use a minimal image and download stuff from an Ubuntu mirror)
[23:44] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, because Skype doesn't work *at all* right?
[23:44] <Wicked> !iphone
[23:44] <Wicked> !ipod
[23:44] <dougl> I just configured my 8.10 box for static ip and now it cannot do dns lookup - any suggestions?
[23:44] <vlt> Hello. I want to install install several Linux and non-Linux OS on an x86-64 machine. What can you reccommend? Should I go for XEN or KVM?
[23:44] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: here is what happens with each instance: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111907/
[23:44] <xbmc> dougl: configure the name servers
[23:44] <keithclark> Ok, back to xp.......sound works there.  Thanks though for the tips, I appreciated those.
[23:44] <initial_B> !ccvp
[23:45] <pike_> dougl: cat /etc/resolv.conf any nameservers listed?
[23:45] <fruit-dude> installing swfdec-mozilla pike_
[23:46] <dougl> pike_, xbmc  I put 2 lines in there <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> - one on each line... is that correct?
[23:46] <mrwes> is there a minimal install of Ubuntu?
[23:46] <fruit-dude> installing swfdec-mozilla pike_ ← that worked
[23:46] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: any thoughts?
[23:46] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: that's okay, but if there is not any data on the drive you want to keep, I would suggest using gparted to delete the partition and then reformat to whatever you like
[23:46] <Gerinych> how do i repair a ntfs partition?
[23:46] <koshari> mrwes yes
[23:46] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, it's important to know if you're running pulseaudio; that and what version of ubuntu you're using, i.e. 8.04 or 8.10
[23:46] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: can i do that from the command line?
[23:46] <xbmc> dougl: no, its "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[23:46] <xbmc> not just the ip
[23:46] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: sudo apt-get install gparted
[23:46] <dougl> I dunno if the syntax is right... man /etc/resolv.conf
[23:46] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, you can find out if pulseaudio is running by using the command: ps -AF | grep pulseaudio
[23:46] <mrwes> koshari: hrmm...that's a big help
[23:47] <Ms_Hutch> rdw200169, skype works except for voicecalls and only the mic does not work on that
[23:47] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: there is a gui for gparted
[23:47] <pike_> dougl: yeah nameserver <ip> you can have multiple ones
[23:47] <keithclark> Ok, I also have a website where I recommend distos, should I just not recomed Ubuntu due to sound problems?  It seems to be the main problem.
[23:47] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: i have to use the command line
[23:47] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, ah, you led me to believe that it wasn't doing *anything*
[23:47] <mrwes> :)
[23:47] <dougl> xbmc, pike_ ok - thanks guys :)
[23:47] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: i am trying to figure this out for intrepid server
[23:47] <pike_> dougl: bear in mind this isnt a static file its overwritten quite often
[23:47] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, run that command to see if pulseaudio is being used; it may be
[23:48] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: it is gui only isn't it?
[23:48] <dougl> pike_, ok thanks for the tip
[23:48] <stermi_> hi all, someone used CUnit? I need to know which is the packages and where it will be installed
[23:48] <Ms_Hutch> rdw200169, i get 1000   7780 7571 0 796 0 15:47 pts/1   00:00:00 grep pulseaudio
[23:48] <keithclark> Ok, I guess my message did not get out.  Later
[23:48] <xbmc> checking for XORG... configure: error: Package requirements (xorg-server xproto fontsproto ) were not met:
[23:48] <xbmc> No package 'xorg-server' found
[23:49] <rdw200169> Ms_Hutch, ok, then, no pulseaudio
[23:49] <gvalfer> fala-se portugues aqui?
[23:49] <fruit-dude> nope gvalfer  english only
[23:49] <fruit-dude> sorry
[23:49] <gvalfer> lol
[23:49] <gvalfer> ok :p
[23:49] <xbmc> i believe xorg-server is installed I just need to specify where it is
[23:49] <xbmc> how do I do that?
[23:50] <lifenova> !br | gvalfer
[23:50] <racecar-56> help i have some weird message
[23:50] <koshari> mrwes you can download the minimal net install iso or strip unneeded packages from ubuntu-desktop or server
[23:50] <racecar-56> * You have an incomplete /etc/xsp2/debian.webapp
[23:50] <racecar-56> * To fix it, you need to install at least one package for xsp2 (like
[23:50] <racecar-56> asp.net-examples)
[23:50] <sasquatch_> hi, I'm running 8.04 and looking to free up some HDD space, is it ok to remove old linux header/image packages?
[23:50] <racecar-56> yes
[23:50] <racecar-56> just don't remove your current ones
[23:50] <sasquatch_> i thought so, just wanted to be certain, thank you
[23:50] <racecar-56> how can i fix my weird error
[23:51] <stermi_> hi all, someone used CUnit? I need to know which is the packages and where it will be installed
[23:51] <racecar-56> i get this on the startup on CTRL+ALT+F8
[23:51] <racecar-56> * You have an incomplete /etc/xsp2/debian.webapp
[23:51] <racecar-56> * To fix it, you need to install at least one package for xsp2 (like
[23:51] <racecar-56> asp.net-examples)
[23:51] <FloodBot1> racecar-56: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:51] <fruit-dude> sasquatch_ sudo apt-get autoclean
[23:51] <cadman21> Rhorse: would it matter if the people were speaking French in the video? because I still am not getting any sound...
[23:51] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: any ideas man?
[23:51] <mrwes> !dual
[23:51] <mrwes> !grub
[23:51] <sasquatch_> I've done that, it still shows up in synaptic
[23:52] <racecar-56> !command
[23:52] <miha> cadman21: lol
[23:52] <racecar-56> what is the ! thing, lol
[23:52] <ruben23> hi how to set hostname on ubuntu..
[23:52] <Rhorse> cadman21, hmm, I didn't have a problem on this Feisty machine with vlc.
[23:52] <racecar-56> !lolwutpear
[23:52] <racecar-56> heehee
[23:52] <KDesk> Some body know a PPA repo for Gimp stable?
[23:52] <sockets> is it just me or do media players not work if you got a video on pause?
[23:52] <racecar-56> errr
[23:52] <racecar-56> hey KDesk
[23:52] <raevol> hey guys, i don't have an option under System > Preferences for enabling remote desktop, did this get moved?
[23:52] <racecar-56> get a deb
[23:52] <FloodBot1> racecar-56: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:52] <racecar-56> getdeb.net
[23:52] <Rhorse> cadman21, does your sound work ok otherwise?
[23:52] <ruben23> and also how about domain name...
[23:52] <racecar-56> i have a ppa but i dont use it
[23:52] <racecar-56> how do i put deb packages on it?
[23:53] <Rhorse> does vlc play other formats with sound?
[23:53] <lifenova> raevol: It might be removed from the GNOME main menu, check that with System -> Prefs -> Main Menu
[23:53] <TuxSympathiser> Ubuntu randomly freezes, can anybody help me with this issue?
[23:53] <KDesk> racecar-56: ah, good idea, thanks :)
[23:53] <miha> ruben23:  /etc/hostname
[23:53] <racecar-56> yw
[23:53] <sockets> TuxSympathiser: which version of ubuntu do you have?
[23:53] <bdelin88> HOW THE F*K DO YOU SIMPLY MAKE AN NTFS PARTITION IN LINUX WITH THE COMMAND LINE, GOOD GOD
[23:53] <racecar-56> how do i put debs on a [[a?
[23:53] <fruit-dude> ruben23 edit /etc/hosts
[23:53] <cadman21> Rhorse: yep on everything else but these to videos.. my brother is taking a French class and they are for that..
[23:53] <racecar-56> ppa*
[23:54] <TuxSympathiser> sockets, 8.10
[23:54] <bdelin88> why do i always waste my life trying to solve linux-related issues
[23:54] <lifenova> bdelin88: mkfs is the command for making a file system, but use it with care... read the man pages first too
[23:54] <BluesKaj> what's the RSS feed client in ubuntu ?
[23:54] <racecar-56> liferea if u install it?
[23:54] <racecar-56> (its on getdeb)
[23:54] <sd32> !manners
[23:54] <TuxSympathiser> sockets, it only freezes when the ethernet is connected and I change the power source
[23:54] <sockets> bdelin88, gparted?
[23:54] <bdelin88> sockets: command line
[23:55] <sockets> TuxSympathiser: use 8.04, 8.10 is unstable, people seem to be having freezing issues
[23:55] <stermi_> exit
[23:55] <cadman21> Rhorse: kinda a different subject but do you know anything about watching tv shows on ABC's website? he said he can't do that either...
[23:55] <stermi_> quit
[23:55] <racecar-56> i like 8.10
[23:55] <TuxSympathiser> sockets, I disabled acpi in menu.lst and that fixed it
[23:55] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: youhad it right man, using fdisk (sudo fdisk /dev/sdb or whatever)
[23:55] <bdelin88> sockets: to my knowledge, gparted is gui
[23:55] <racecar-56> 8.04 is too old
[23:55] <racecar-56> does it have gcc 4.3 packages?
[23:55] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: why does it not mount?
[23:55] <Rhorse> cadman21, try here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178455
[23:55] <TuxSympathiser> sockets, the same happend in 8.04
[23:55] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: it says it is not a valid ntfs
[23:55] <racecar-56> ntfs?
[23:55] <racecar-56> why ntfs?
[23:56] <Rhorse> cadman21, on the browser or?
[23:56] <racecar-56> isnt it a ext2/3 volume u have?
[23:56] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: that wont mount the disk, it will allow you to delete, partition etc
[23:56] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: which there are 3 different ntfs options in cfdisk, why in the world there needs to be 80 different partition selections is beyond me
[23:56] <racecar-56> yeah rly
[23:56] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: right, but i need make sure it is a proper ntfs
[23:56] <raevol> lifenova: thanks
[23:56] <lifenova> raevol: no problem :)
[23:56] <pike_> raevol: 4.2.4 gcc in 8.04
[23:56] <racecar-56> ack
[23:56] <racecar-56> old
[23:57] <patmanpato> just a general question, how long could you expect you're average ($100?) uninteruptible power supply to last before dying off?
[23:57] <racecar-56> d'oh! kino 1.3.3 is out
[23:57] <patmanpato> your*
[23:57] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: I have no way of knowing which ntfs partition is what
[23:57] <pike_> racecar-56: gcc just gets worse as it ages anyway :)
[23:57] <sockets> TuxSympathiser: not really sure, sorry.
[23:57] <racecar-56> orly?
[23:57] <cadman21> Rhorse: yeah in firefox. youtube works but not ABC for some reason.
[23:57] <sweetgum> is there a man page for the kernel source? if so, how can i install it?
[23:57] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: i have a few ntfs options: HPFS/NTFS, NTFS volume set, and NTFS volume set
[23:58] <exodus_ms> bdelin88: how 'physical' hdd's are installed
[23:58] <racecar-56> i thought 8.10 was stable and 8.04 was proven stable
[23:58] <Rhorse> yea, i'm not familiar with that one. Do you have the latest flash?
[23:58] <racecar-56> i use swfdec
[23:58] <bdelin88> exodus_ms: what?
[23:58] <Rhorse> cadman21, yea, i'm not familiar with that one. Do you have the latest flash?
[23:58] <pike_> sweetgum: your better off with a full blown guide from the wiki or the forums. linux kernel compile isnt awful but its nowhere near as slick as say freebsd etc
[23:58] <koshari> racecar-56 there both stable one is jsut LTS
[23:59] <racecar-56> ok
[23:59] <Zenitur> I found the bug of ext4. I compiled <IP_ADDRESS> and make /home as ext4. It works, but executable files can't be started from ext4 partition. Permissions Denided. For root - too. I return ext3 and all works fine. Does it a kernel bug, or not?
[23:59] <TuxSympathiser> sockets, ok thanks anyway
[23:59] <sweetgum> pike_: maybe you could help me out, do you know what kalloc does?
[23:59] <sexcopter> for those interested, a lesson on how to run a bug jam should be starting in a mo in #ubuntu-classroom


[15:50] <feoh> Just in case anybody else was flummoxed at the caps lock key assignment feature being removed from Gnome Tweaks in 20.04, you just go to Keyboard -> Additional Layout Options and it's there rather than Tweaiks -> Typing.
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> feoh: yeah recent updates changed alot in systemsettings (gnome)
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> the privacy section, and info for example too
[15:52] <feoh> I can't live without Caps Lock being mapped to Ctrl. I'm old and my pinkie expects CTRL to be Right There as it has been forever :)


[00:28] <TheDrums> IdleOne: He stopped ^
[04:58]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[05:05]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:07:21)
[05:38]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[05:56]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:17:53)
[05:57] <pleia2> shuduo: think you could disable that for this channel? :)
[05:59] <shuduo> pleia2, already disabled. sorry
[05:59] <pleia2> thank you!
[15:56] <seb128> hey
[15:57] <ogra_> yo
[15:58] <jibel> \o
[15:59] <janimo> hi
[15:59] <seb128> heya everybody
[15:59] <seb128> I hope you all had a good week
[15:59] <seb128> ogra_, want to lead the meeting as usual?
[15:59] <ogra_> sure
[16:00] <seb128> danke ;-)
[16:00] <ppisati> \o/
[16:00] <ogra_> sooo
[16:00] <ogra_> we have sound on boot working !!!!
[16:01] <mfisch> ogra_: nice!
[16:01] <ogra_> i think there were also some additional RAM cutoffs (i didnt fiollow to close this week, but it should be another few MB that we got rid of)
[16:01] <ogra_> my current desktop runs using ~390M ... but ...
[16:02] <ogra_> right after starting up the device it etas about 600M, it goes down over time to these 390 M later ... we need to find out what causes this spike
[16:03] <ogra_> once thats done i think we are good to tick off the thirs marker in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/raring-targets
[16:03] <janimo> ogra_, I think still some daemons are started by default even if they should be ondemand, right seb128 ?
[16:03] <ogra_> beyond that i think we should actually go over that table eveyr meeting (or every second one... or at least once a month)
[16:03] <ogra_> janimo, yeah, upstart just grew session support
[16:03] <seb128> yeah
[16:03] <ogra_> we should see some siginificant changes due to that soon
[16:04] <seb128> we daily some stuff on login
[16:04] <seb128> but they mostly don't exit
[16:04] <seb128> so I'm not sure what's creating the spike either
[16:04] <ogra_> yeah, any delaying wont fix our ram footprint
[16:04]  * janimo seems to have seen signond started although he never used U1
[16:04] <ogra_> i suspect some whoopsie or apport run
[16:04] <ogra_> janimo, yeah, there is a bug open for that, i thinnk ken looks into it
[16:05] <ogra_> the images were broken for a few days btw ...
[16:05] <ogra_> i just uploaded a roolback for a fix that seemingly caused this ... and will manually roll an image once the normal daily cronjob is done
[16:06] <ogra_> the 08.1 images should be functional again
[16:06]  * ptl wished he could have that annoying click loss bug fixed and also have the latest kde plasma so he could test other tablet interfaces on his nexus7
[16:06] <ogra_> so pepole wanting to play with it on the weekend will have images
[16:06] <ogra_> ptl, we all do :(
[16:06] <seb128> janimo, signond is fixed, signon-ui is fixed in trunk but that didn't land on raring yet
[16:06] <seb128> fixed = exit when not needed
[16:06] <ogra_> ptl, (not plasma, but the click issue)
[16:07] <ogra_> right, so ptl pointed out our worst bug still ...
[16:07] <ogra_> do we have anyone from the X team around ?
[16:07] <janimo> seb128, but does it start by default in a session?
[16:07] <ogra_> do we know if there is any progress being made ?
[16:07] <janimo> that seems a bit orthogonal to quitting on idle
[16:07] <seb128> janimo, not by default, only if an app query it
[16:07] <janimo> ok
[16:07]  * ogra_ sees neither bryce nor timo
[16:07] <seb128> which might be the case for e.g the files lens looking for google drive documents
[16:08] <ogra_> janimo, how are the luxd and acceld replacement bits going ?
[16:08] <janimo> not much code progress this week
[16:09] <janimo> with lux we seem to have pushback because it needs to be yet another poll/wakeup
[16:09] <janimo> the 'fix' would be to piggyback on the existing poll in accel code or somewhere else but that is a gross hack
[16:09] <ogra_> well, yeah, and the fact that you cant manually adjust the brightness if it runs isnt great either
[16:09] <janimo> upstream said they would not mind a dedicated lights plugin in gsd
[16:09] <janimo> but I don't know what our short term plans are
[16:09] <ogra_> how do they deal with that on i.e. macbooks ?
[16:10] <janimo> I would not want to work on gsd if we decide in a few months we make a dedicated daemon
[16:10] <ogra_> they ahve an ambient light sensor
[16:10] <ogra_> and other laptops too
[16:10] <janimo> ogra_, probably a special daemon. I think some VAIO models have that too
[16:10] <janimo> so custom tools nothing in gsd
[16:10] <ogra_> it is a function i would actually expect to live in the default brightness code of g-s-d
[16:11] <seb128> upstream had concerns about those light sensors and power usage I think
[16:11] <ogra_> *sniff*
[16:11] <seb128> from what I read on IRC
[16:11] <janimo> ogra_, me too. We need to touch control center too. I guess if we don't mind the extra ubuntu patch it should be done
[16:11] <janimo> better than a separate shell daemon
[16:11] <seb128> they said they are not easy to deal with, or you need to keep the dev ice open and pull
[16:11] <ogra_> janimo, ++
[16:11] <janimo> especially since we need control center hooks
[16:12] <ogra_> seb128, right, thats our prob too
[16:12] <ogra_> we currently need to poll for orientation and ambient
[16:12] <janimo> seb128, yes that is hadess' reluctance too
[16:12] <ogra_> janimo, i think we should have a general backend that does both püolls
[16:12] <janimo> but if that is how the hardware works there's no way around it
[16:12] <ogra_> and i dont think its as gross to do it that way as you claim
[16:13] <janimo> ogra_, I proposed that to lukewarm reception to upstream
[16:13] <janimo> but yes, we may want to do that
[16:13] <ogra_> it will save us one additional process that polls
[16:13] <seb128> right
[16:13] <ogra_> ideally we would indeed have the right firmware that gives us devices with events
[16:13] <janimo> pitti suggested hooking it into unity even as that wakes up 60/s
[16:14] <seb128> urg
[16:14] <ogra_> oh ?
[16:14] <seb128> putting more code in the wm
[16:14] <seb128> what could go wrong...
[16:14] <janimo> ogra_, sometimes the hw is cheap/dump so no events can come off it
[16:14] <ogra_> right
[16:14] <ogra_> seb128, we would have even more "unification" :)
[16:15] <ogra_> we should move the kernel into it too or just make unity a loadable module ;)
[16:15] <seb128> unity in the kernel
[16:15]  * ppisati seconds the idea of moving kernel into unity
[16:15] <seb128> going to love it :p
[16:15] <ogra_> no more inter-process communication issues :)
[16:16] <ogra_> ppisati, are you eager to work under seb128 ? :)
[16:16] <seb128> ok, joke aside, let's move to the next topic ;-)
[16:16] <vibhav> o/
[16:16] <ogra_> what is the next topic then ?
[16:16] <seb128> if there is one
[16:16] <ogra_> vibhav, shoot
[16:16] <janimo> seb128, actually I am prepared to do this work as desktop team/Ubuntu gsd maintainers feel is less intrusive
[16:17] <janimo> if you are fine with a hacky patch for the time being that can be quickly done
[16:17] <ogra_> janimo, yay
[16:17] <vibhav> Is there any page listing tasks fpr new contributors?
[16:17] <seb128> janimo, I'm fine with a hacky patch for this cycle
[16:17] <vibhav> I wish to join the fun too :)
[16:17] <janimo> \o/
[16:17] <ogra_> dholbach, ^^^ do we have such a page ?
[16:17] <seb128> vibhav, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram
[16:17] <seb128> any item marked as TODO welcome contributions
[16:17] <ogra_> right, you could just pick up workitems
[16:18] <dholbach> ogra_, for what? specifically for the nexus7 work?
[16:18] <ogra_> or talk to the QA guys and help gathering test data
[16:18] <ogra_> dholbach, yeah
[16:18] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Developers is the bare minimum - tasks could be added there
[16:18] <seb128> vibhav, http://www.chizang.net/alex/blog/2012/11/23/memory-leaks-in-ubuntu-episode-i-detection/ as well
[16:18] <seb128> and the following blog post
[16:18] <ogra_> or dig through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7
[16:19] <janimo> seb128, all workitems there that have no [username] are for takes?
[16:19] <ogra_> janimo, yep
[16:19] <seb128> I'm taking a todo to consolidate the TODO list
[16:19] <janimo> and the rest assumed to actually be owned
[16:19] <vibhav> Yeah memory leaks, I was working on some the other day
[16:19] <seb128> dholbach, ogra_: I will get a "how to contribute" section on the wiki next week
[16:19]  * ogra_ would do an "action" for the bot, but i forgot to start it :P
[16:20] <dholbach> perfect
[16:20] <ogra_> seb128, thanks
[16:20] <seb128> janimo, vibhav: any workitem that is TODO should not be started, feel free to grab those without name or ping whoever has his name on the line
[16:20] <vibhav> Sure
[16:20] <seb128> I don't think any of us really want to own the fix
[16:20] <ogra_> we should all blog/G+/facebook about that page once it exists
[16:20] <seb128> that would be good
[16:20] <ogra_> get the community aware :)
[16:21] <ogra_> well ...
[16:21] <janimo> seb128, do you know why some have 'rewrite in vala' while others 'rewrite in !python'? Is there no consensus inside the unity team what the blessed plugin language should be?
[16:22] <seb128> it's not up to the unity team
[16:22] <seb128> we don't really want to dictate language
[16:22] <ogra_> something thats resulting in fast compiled binaries
[16:22] <seb128> if somebody prefers C that works for us
[16:22] <ptl> gnome now recommends javascript, just to recall :P
[16:22] <seb128> for apps only though
[16:23] <seb128> they keep C for their platform
[16:23] <seb128> it would be crazy to write the system stack in something interpreted
[16:23] <ogra_> yeah
[16:23] <seb128> ok
[16:23] <seb128> so on other news, upstart session jobs seem to be on track
[16:24] <seb128> they are going through a first round of testing from adventurous users
[16:24] <seb128> it should land in raring in time for feature freeze
[16:24] <janimo> well not dictating but consistency of tech at least among the bits shipped by default would sure help
[16:24] <janimo> for carrying over maintenance/bugfixing experience
[16:25] <seb128> janimo, we recommend C/vala/qt/go
[16:25] <ogra_> binary is binary ... :)
[16:25] <ogra_> we recommend go ?
[16:25] <seb128> go is less for desktopish but a good choice for server components
[16:25]  * ogra_ definitely doesnt recommend go for mobile images :) )
[16:25] <seb128> ogra_, more for server stuff
[16:25] <seb128> but yeah I would say C/vala/Qt for mobile
[16:25] <ogra_> static linking is evil size wise
[16:26] <seb128> Qt is closer from where we are going but it's cpp
[16:26] <seb128> C/vala is good for gobject world
[16:26] <ogra_> yup
[16:27] <seb128> ok
[16:27] <seb128> do we have anything else to cover?
[16:27] <ogra_> nothing else from me
[16:27] <ogra_> anyone else ?
[16:28] <seb128> is there any blocker issue we should be looking at? out of that X/click/grab issue
[16:28] <seb128> and the things mentioned during the meeting
[16:28] <seb128> ?
[16:28] <ogra_> i dont think we have any blockers beyond that
[16:28] <seb128> ok, great
[16:28] <ogra_> it actually seems to all go very smooth atm
[16:29] <ogra_> oh, btw, usb-creator grew nexus7 installation support
[16:29]  * ogra_ totally forgot to mention that above
[16:29] <seb128> nice
[16:29] <seb128> btw, just as another fyi, I will try to organize a bit better the valgrinding effort next week as well
[16:29] <ogra_> if you run a raring PC please help testing it (you need to gunzip the img.gz file first, there isnt unzipping code yet)
[16:29] <seb128> e.g set up a list of targets
[16:30] <seb128> and open some bugs
[16:30] <seb128> maybe blog about an example
[16:30] <seb128> so we get some extra traction in there
[16:30] <ogra_> awesome !
[16:30] <seb128> I also want to get extra memory usage mesure over time/usage for things like gvfs/unity lenses/indicators
[16:30] <seb128> we mostly did idle so far
[16:30] <ogra_> yeah
[16:30] <ogra_> but idle looks really good now
[16:31] <seb128> yeah
[16:31] <seb128> then you start using the dash or play with your indicator and you see we still have work :p
[16:31] <ogra_> and the fun part is that i read everywhere how much more stable and how much faster 13.04 is for everyone testing it
[16:31] <ogra_> even on desktops
[16:31] <seb128> anyway it's a good start
[16:31] <seb128> \o/
[16:31] <ogra_> so we're on a very good track here
[16:31] <seb128> good work everyone!
[16:31] <ogra_> yeah
[16:31] <seb128> ok that, let's wrap up?
[16:31] <ogra_> and with these words ...
[16:32] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone!
[16:32] <xnox> ogra_: the spike can be anacronjobs.
[16:32] <ogra_> heh, could we stop saying the same differently phrased all the time ? :)
[16:32] <seb128> ogra_, ;-)
[16:32] <ogra_> enjoy your weekend everybody
[16:32] <ogra_> :P
[16:32] <seb128> lol
[16:32] <ogra_> bye all
[16:32] <ogra_> 7me goes back to #ubuntu-arm
[16:59]  * ptl apt-getting full-upgrading his nexus 7 and the other 5 arm devices
[18:02] <tgm4883> whose running this show?
[18:02] <bobweaaver> no I says this guy
[18:02] <bobweaaver> not *
[18:02] <CrestedNewt> ok
[18:03] <CrestedNewt> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <CrestedNewt> evening all - how have we progressed this week?
[18:05] <CrestedNewt> OK I will start then
[18:06] <CrestedNewt> I was supposed to have a Google Hangout with Bobweaver last week but I have spent the time clearing my desk so that I can get a better grip on where we are
[18:06] <CrestedNewt> I messed up and bobweaver and I are going to have a google hangout early next week
[18:07] <bobweaaver> I am on live here atm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0GJO_bCHDc    if you all have any question for me
[18:09] <bobweaaver> tgm4883:  any work on scope ?
[18:10] <tgm4883> I've done nothing more that make sure it builds on 12.04
[18:10] <tgm4883> and it's in the PPA now
[18:10] <tgm4883> soon, I'll probably write some instructions for people to use for testing
[18:14] <bobweaaver> tgm4883:  I fixed the bug in previews so that it is launching using unity and not Qt anymore
[18:14] <bobweaaver> added more previews
[18:14] <tgm4883> bobweaaver, nice
[18:14] <bobweaaver> torrents and news
[18:14] <bobweaaver> news is cool torrents is nothing special
[18:15] <bobweaaver> going to have to work on getting lens backported for testing with previews
[18:15] <bobweaaver> I need to do a mass re-write of the word "preview" and change it so that lens can call but that is about it on my end
[18:16] <CrestedNewt> OK so bobweaver - your work is almost done?
[18:16] <bobweaaver> maybe we can talk about getting this done https://plus.google.com/u/0/104659991254860976283/posts/hu8MmEqvEnX
[18:17] <bobweaaver> what are your thoughts ?
[18:17] <tgm4883> bobweaaver, which parts?
[18:18] <tgm4883> maybe we should go though each section of that for this meeting
[18:18] <bobweaaver> any
[18:18] <bobweaaver> ok
[18:18]  * tgm4883 awaits CrestedNewt to do the topic stuff
[18:18] <CrestedNewt> #topic Google+ Page
[18:19] <CrestedNewt> OK - looks good
[18:19] <tgm4883> lol
[18:19] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, how about A) Setting up a documentation session.
[18:20] <CrestedNewt> OK, I'm all for doing some documentation. or do you mean #topic A) etc
[18:21] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, I mean for the topic
[18:21] <CrestedNewt> #topic Setting up Documentation Settings
[18:21] <CrestedNewt> Done
[18:21] <bobweaaver> I think htat I am talking away on youtube to thin air :P
[18:21] <tgm4883> bobweaaver, probably
[18:21] <CrestedNewt> put that ciggie out - it's bad for you
[18:22] <tgm4883> So documentation wise, we need some decent docs on setup
[18:23] <tgm4883> Does anyone want to lead that up?
[18:23] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - I'll download the latest release and install in a VM and document
[18:23] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, all parts?
[18:23] <CrestedNewt> why not
[18:23]  * tgm4883 notes that includes Mythtv setup
[18:24] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - let me change RL room as wife is sitting next to me :D
[18:25] <CrestedNewt> OK back - had to switch wireless
[18:25] <CrestedNewt> I don't know enough about MythTV
[18:26] <bobweaaver> tgm4883:  I will send you video link of this record so you can watch after work or whatever
[18:26] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - thanks
[18:27] <CrestedNewt> ok - so the documentation is all over the place at the moment - it just needs to be correlated?
[18:28] <tgm4883> Yes
[18:28] <bobweaaver> so I am set with that docs that is dont know what else is needed to talk about maybe questions that you all might have
[18:28] <bobweaaver> sorry this webchat thingy is messing up
[18:28] <tgm4883> I'll write up some basic mythtv instructions and hopefully someone can go though them and see what is missing
[18:28] <CrestedNewt> ok - I'm happy to pull that together and test it during an install
[18:29] <CrestedNewt> that should highlight any bugs
[18:29] <CrestedNewt> what is good bobweaver?
[18:30] <tgm4883> so that probably covers A and B on that list
[18:31] <CrestedNewt> sounds like it
[18:32] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 & bobweaver - could you tell me where you have the documentation so that I can start to pull it together
[18:32] <tgm4883> I don't have much
[18:33] <tgm4883> Moving on?
[18:33] <CrestedNewt> just listening to bobweaver atm
[18:34] <CrestedNewt> #action crestednewt - setup meeting with bobweaver
[18:34] <meetingology> ACTION: crestednewt - setup meeting with bobweaver
[18:35] <CrestedNewt> ok - I'm in the UK so you guys are like 6 & 7 hrs behind me
[18:36] <bobweaaver> tgm4883: could you do this via google hangout with me if so what is the best time for you ?
[18:36] <CrestedNewt> when are you free tgm4883?
[18:36] <tgm4883> Not sure what we're talking about right now
[18:37] <CrestedNewt> ok - bobweaver is talking on a youtube channel - makes it a bit hard to document but he is talking about a G+ Hangout between the 3 of us
[18:37] <bobweaaver> we have to set a time to do this the meeting for the public
[18:37] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, right, for what reason?
[18:37] <bobweaaver> to get the public involed
[18:37] <bobweaaver> well more that is
[18:37] <tgm4883> but what are we going to discuss?
[18:38] <CrestedNewt> I think we need to get the installation adocumentation ironed out and fluid
[18:38] <bobweaaver> like a basic setup and things to look out for when buying card ect
[18:38] <CrestedNewt> I just need some guiding on that from both of you
[18:39] <tgm4883> I'll try to get some information together for that
[18:39] <bobweaaver> I am hoping by having this that we will not have to doc and the public will doc
[18:39] <bobweaaver> mainly because of my learning disability
[18:39] <CrestedNewt> that's why I am here - I can document into a wiki and then that can be updated
[18:40] <bobweaaver> Like I could ask you a coupld of questions about myth how long you have been using it
[18:40] <CrestedNewt> at least there will be a start point
[18:41] <CrestedNewt> OK, so you want 30 minutes with tgm4883 about the video capture hardware
[18:42] <CrestedNewt> for the public to be aware of what HW will work as a minimum
[18:42] <bobweaaver> I would ask tgm4883  questio ns like D) How to prep a computer for Myth TV
[18:42] <bobweaaver> what is good hardware ?
[18:43] <bobweaaver> where to get help
[18:43] <tgm4883> so for that, I'm going to documents a few tuners depending on your location/use case
[18:43] <bobweaaver> how long you been using mythbuntu
[18:43] <tgm4883> hardware wise, I'm going to leave minimum system requirements for bobweaaver to figure out
[18:43] <tgm4883> bobweaaver, me?
[18:43] <CrestedNewt> and this is to be recorded and put up on youtube?
[18:44] <bobweaaver> y
[18:44]  * tgm4883 is one of the founding developers of Mythbuntu
[18:44] <bobweaaver> Live
[18:44] <CrestedNewt> ok - so it is a living manual
[18:44] <bobweaaver> people will be able to ask questions via chat
[18:45] <tgm4883> My goal for the Mythtv documention is to end up with a "quick start guide", similar to what you get when buying a new computer/TV/stereo equipment
[18:45] <bobweaaver> that is perfect
[18:46] <bobweaaver> but whta is good time for you ?
[18:46] <bobweaaver> weekends ?
[18:46] <CrestedNewt> OK, I think I have a handle on this..... tgm4883 - yes with a link then back to the online for more advanced tasks?
[18:46] <bobweaaver> will take 30 min tops
[18:46] <tgm4883> bobweaaver, usually yes, but I'm going out of town this weekend
[18:46] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - enjoy!! :D
[18:46] <bobweaaver> yeah I amm also busy
[18:46] <CrestedNewt> ok - what about Monday sometime?
[18:46] <bobweaaver> maybe 2 weeks from now ?
[18:47] <CrestedNewt> the problem with 2 weeks from now is it puts us a bit further back
[18:47] <bobweaaver> anything but this weekend is good for me
[18:47] <bobweaaver> meaning anything but thsi weekend
[18:47] <CrestedNewt> lol @ bobweaver - got it mate
[18:47] <tgm4883> anything during the week is going to mean really late for CrestedNewt
[18:48] <CrestedNewt> well - I just need to drink less and stay up late :D
[18:48] <bobweaaver> lol
[18:49] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - I can do up to midnight UK time, which would mean 6pm East Coast time
[18:49] <bobweaaver> We just have to have a date that way we can tell public the time and place ect
[18:49] <tgm4883> We're getting to the end of our time, are there any community questions this session?
[18:49] <CrestedNewt> #topic Q&A
[18:49] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, I couldn't do earlier than 9PM East coast time
[18:49] <bobweaaver> all the things do not need to be done in one day though that would be good
[18:50] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - ouch!! that may not work
[18:51] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - will e-mail you later on some idea's
[18:51] <bobweaaver> allright we got 10 min I say we go to questions unless there are none are there any Questions ?
[18:51] <CrestedNewt> The floor is open - anyone have any questions for tgm4883 & bobweaver?
[18:52] <CrestedNewt> no-one?
[18:52] <bobweaaver> good less to do :)
[18:52] <CrestedNewt> LOL!!!
[18:52] <bobweaaver> I say that we are done  what about you all ?
[18:52] <CrestedNewt> agreed
[18:53] <CrestedNewt> #endmeeting
[18:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb  8 18:53:14 2013 UTC.
[18:53] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-08-18.03.moin.txt
[18:53] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-08-18.03.html
[18:53] <bobweaaver> tgm4883:  get ahold of me after this week end I want to show you what I am doing with the previews
[18:53] <tgm4883> ok
[18:53] <bobweaaver> cya all have a good one
[18:54] <CrestedNewt> cya


[01:43] <ahoneybun_> howdy people
[01:47] <ahoneybun_> is there anyone here in the doc team?
[02:10] <EthanRyan> How stable is the latest beta at this point?
[02:13] <EthanRyan> #ubuntu
[04:30] <not_found> my second monitor is not keeping the resolution I set for it, it reverts to 1024x768 after reboot.  On the latest trusty daily build all updates ran.  Using proprietary nvidia driver.  Known issue?
[08:36] <darkxst> Noskcaj, hey can you start on gnome-desktop 3.10 rename by anychance?
[08:37] <darkxst> I am without internet atm, f**king telstra
[08:37] <Noskcaj> darkxst, What's the level of internet & working PC needed?
[08:37] <Noskcaj> but i can try, i guess
[08:37] <darkxst> more than what I have right now tethered through a phone ;)
[08:38] <darkxst> if you grab the source gnome-desktop 3.10 from my ppa, rename the source package name
[08:38] <darkxst> drop the gir binary (I really hope that works but try anyway)
[08:39] <darkxst> then try build g-s-d/g-c-c against this new source package
[08:39] <Noskcaj> ok. You sure the one is you PPA is all ready?
[08:39] <darkxst> apart from renames, yes
[08:39] <Noskcaj> cool
[08:40] <Noskcaj> any reason for it not being desktop 3.10.2?
[08:41] <darkxst> hasnt been updated in a while
[08:41] <darkxst> go for that too
[08:41] <Noskcaj> k
[08:42] <darkxst> g-s-d/g-c-c 3.10 still need some cleanups, have them locally but can't upload until telstra fix their fuck up
[08:42] <darkxst> but if you just grab source from gnome3/saucy that will be enough for testing
[08:42] <darkxst> ^ ppa
[08:43] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:43] <Noskcaj> so the source name should be gnome-desktop-3.10?
[08:43] <Noskcaj> oops, gnome-desktop3.10
[08:43] <darkxst> that seems fine
[08:43] <darkxst> or that
[08:44] <Noskcaj> ok. I have to go now, but it will be all done by 7am tomorrow
[08:44] <darkxst> ok thanks
[08:44] <Noskcaj> There might be a stable branch git commit or two to backport as well, but i'll leave that bit to you
[15:29] <ahoneybun> hello
[16:50] <ahoneybun> I see a littlegirl
[16:51] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Little high, little low, I see a silhouetto... I forget the rest. (:
[16:54] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, your hanging in all the ubuntu channels aren't you
[16:55] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yeah, I leave a bunch of channels open. (:
[16:55] <ahoneybun> I knew it lol
[22:39] <Noskcaj> darkxst_, I'm not entirely sure how i'm meant to remove the gir stuff
[22:39] <Noskcaj> Dp i just drop the files completely, or does the -dev package need them?
[22:41] <darkxst> drop them ( as in don't install)
[22:41] <darkxst> hopefully that will work, otherwise need to completely rename everything
[22:42] <Noskcaj> ok. I'll try a test build with that now
[22:52] <Noskcaj> darkxst, My debian/ folder is at https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B57km_mHQf74NVZUbmx1VnpZYmc&usp=sharing , could you proofread it?
[22:56] <darkxst> Noskcaj, still only have limited internet, debdiff would be better
[22:56] <Noskcaj> it's all online
[22:58] <darkxst> I don't see a debdiff there
[23:01] <Noskcaj> no, sorry. And my dad's at home, so i can't be on the PC for a while


[19:19] <ahasenack> hi security,
[19:19] <ahasenack> what's the best way to check an apparmor profile for syntax, without loading it?
[19:19] <ahasenack> apparmor_parser -d <textprofile>?
[19:22] <georgiag> ahasenack: -Q (or --skip-kernel-load) does everything except load the profile in the kernel
[19:22] <ahasenack> I'm generating a profile dynamically and wanted to check it before loading
[19:22] <ahasenack> ah
[19:22] <ahasenack> does it also change the cache?
[19:22] <ahasenack> (I wouldn't want it to)
[19:23] <georgiag> not sure, I can double check. but you can also use -K (or --skip-cache)
[19:23] <ahasenack> I think this works, thanks


[05:57] <mi3> hello
[08:56] <Brown_Mouse> Hi guys
[08:57] <Brown_Mouse> Trying out 12.04 running live disc but cant get any sound working.Anyone else see this?
[11:55] <Brown_Mouse> Cant get sound to work in Lubuntu.Any ideas anyone?
[13:10] <smile4ever> bye! :)
[13:24] <leszek> hi
[13:30] <nothingspecial> any one here that deals with lubuntu.net
[14:38] <Mkaysi> nothingspecial: I think that you should ask on the mailing list.
[15:08] <nothingspecial> ok Mkaysi
[15:08] <Mkaysi> And remember that sending HTML and topposting are forbidden by mailing list guidelines, which aren't very followed, but they still are
[15:09] <nothingspecial> yep
[17:11] <StephenSmally> with both close_async and _close
[17:12] <StephenSmally> oh, sorry
[17:12] <StephenSmally> wrong channel XD
[18:30] <smile4ever> bye


[10:11] <rmg51> Morning
[10:47] <lazyPower|Travel> o/
[11:02] <JonathanD> Howdy
[11:22] <JonathanD> Man.
[11:22] <JonathanD> It's dead this morning. Everywhere.
[12:16] <lazyPower|Travel> welllll
[12:17] <lazyPower|Travel> not here. Its a bustling day in brussels. I just got back from my Ramen run. Noodle fest 2015 is underway
[13:13] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, hamsters and everything else


[05:23] <Bashing-om> outta here \o
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:55] <brunch875> heya BluesKaj, feeling a bit better?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hi brunch875, yes, shouldbe 100% soon :-) , how's things with you?
[12:07] <brunch875> a bit stressed but otherwise good :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> stressed, anything linux related?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> i don't like to delve into personal issues since i consider that kind of thing none of anyone's business ...I'm old school that way
[12:13] <BluesKaj> anyway, we're getting much needed rain here , finally
[12:14] <oerheks> yay, rain, shampoo in your hair and dance outside \0/
[12:16] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks I'm not that happy about it, let's not get carried away here
[12:17] <BluesKaj> it's a long weekwnd here so the wather is dampening some people's fun, that's for sure
[12:17] <BluesKaj> weather even
[12:20] <brunch875> BluesKaj: Finishing college so I'm working on my degree project. The deadline is approaching and it's a big deal for me to succeed. Once I'm done, life is going to be different
[12:20] <brunch875> all work and no play makes /me a dull boy
[12:21] <brunch875> I'm going to savor weekends once I start working
[12:21] <oerheks> "when you finished school, learning starts again" said my headmaster
[12:21] <brunch875> yeah, but learning without pressure is leisure
[12:22] <BluesKaj> brunch875, well, I wish you the best in your future endeavours. I'm sure you'll do very well. There's time for fun once the work is finished as the old saying goes ;-)
[12:28] <brunch875> I'm sure I'll do fine. Others have just started with it right now and I've been working on it for months
[16:12] <immu> hi all
[16:16] <immu> BluesKaj, ducasse EriC^^ lordievader
[16:20] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[16:20] <immu> how are you all doing
[16:21] <immu> did you watch the blade runner?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> not yet
[16:25] <immu> ok
[16:45] <ducasse> buenos dias!
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ducasse, hola
[17:23] <Bashing-om> OK, prepared to have fun now :)
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:58] <Bashing-om> \o lotuspsychje !
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[19:00] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: A pleasnt Sunday afternoon here ( 02:00 ) . Activity in main is brisk :)
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: sunny familly day here
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> with lots of food & drinks
[19:00] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: OUch ! 14:00 !
[19:01] <Bashing-om> Family and food will alway make for a great day :D
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys
[21:26] <daftykins> weyhey the result of PIA's funded OpenVPN audit - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/16/openvpn_security_audit/


[19:54] <noodles785> In an email to #juju-dev, sinzui mentions that "and are more
[19:54] <noodles785> reliable than aws were we often see instances not available"
[19:54] <noodles785> I was wondering if there was any known work-around for the ec2 issue, as I'm hitting that pretty consistently at the moment.
[19:55] <noodles785> Out of 9 units, usually one stays pending in juju and the ec2 console shows that it was terminated by ec2 due to an error.
[21:27] <hatch> hey do we have any haproxy experts around today?
[23:11] <X-Rob> hatch: I'm not an expert, but ask your question anyway