[13:08] <shahriar86> hello everyone
[13:08] <shahriar86> AliTabuger7:  there?
[13:08] <shahriar86> anyone from spread ubuntu team?
[15:09] <nox-Hand> Greetings!
[15:10] <shahriar86> greetings nox-Hand
[15:10] <nox-Hand> I made a poster for a college exam project, an advertisement for Ubuntu, and I was wondering whether this is anything you guys can use for anything?
[15:10] <nox-Hand> http://omploader.org/vc3F2/Poster_English_Ubuntu_export_version_small.jpg
[15:11] <nox-Hand> That is a small export, real version is 7016x9921 pixels, PSD format
[15:11] <nox-Hand> And the typo "The systemhas everything ou need" is fixed in the PSD.
[15:11] <shahriar86> thanks nox-Hand :)
[15:12] <nox-Hand> 7016x9921 pixels = A1 poster format. Have it printed out myself for the exam, and looks really sharp (all screenshots of full resolution, outer ones are 1680x1050
[15:12] <nox-Hand> shahriar86: Thankyou for?
[15:12] <tuxice> the poster
[15:12] <nox-Hand> Haha, if you guys can use it I'd think that'd be awesome
[15:12] <shahriar86> nox-Hand: thanks for the poster :)
[15:13] <nox-Hand> Just have no idea where to put the .psd? It's a 500mb file, but can thus obviously also be edited fully
[15:13] <tuxice> shahriar86, would be useful on the website
[15:13] <nox-Hand> Can also export a rasterized version, but then you cannot edit text, etc
[15:13] <tuxice> i think,
[15:13] <shahriar86> yes I also think so :)
[15:14] <shahriar86> nox-Hand:  you can join and forward this poster to the Marketing team mailing list
[15:14] <nox-Hand> One comment I must point out; I believe one or more of my fonts MAY not be open source, since we (unfortunately, college EXAM RULES) had to use Adobe Photoshop. I know it's a small stab for Open Source, but I had to make it in that or fail my exam :\
[15:14] <tuxice> is there a place on the ubuntu website where users can upload user-created wallpapers (other then the wiki/deviantart)
[15:14] <nox-Hand> So you may have to change to an open font if you feel this will be an issue (sorry about that :\)
[15:15] <shahriar86> since currently sadly we don't have the Database to hold works like this
[15:15] <tuxice> it would look cool in the ubuntu font
[15:15] <shahriar86> but we are currently working on one Spread Ubuntu as you might know]
[15:15] <shahriar86> nox-Hand: its not a problem I suppose, you can put those details once we upload
[15:16] <nox-Hand> tuxice: There is a place where there is advertisement stuff, but that's not user uploadable, and if you want the psd I'd need somewhere with access, or I could merely upload to MY server, and you could get it from there (sure your servers wget can get from my server very snappishly :) )
[15:16] <nox-Hand> shahriar86: Indeed, but there are many open fonts out there :)
[15:16] <nox-Hand> You may find it funny to note, this Open poster gave me an A+ :D
[15:16] <nox-Hand> College exam A+, w00t ;)
[15:17] <shahriar86> :)
[15:17] <shahriar86> great nox-Hand
[15:17] <shahriar86> @ nox-Hand this is what we are currently working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu
[15:18] <shahriar86> in a few days (hopefully) you will be able to upload your works over the Spread Ubuntu (diy) website
[15:19] <nox-Hand> Righto :]
[15:19] <shahriar86> we have one old Spread Ubuntu diy website but that is currently off limit (since that project is literally dead)
[15:19] <nox-Hand> Perhaps I should see if I can find some open types to write this with, so it will be fully legal to upload. Will tend to that now, better get all that done right
[15:19] <shahriar86> :)
[15:20] <shahriar86> nox-Hand: you can keep an eye on the marketing team mailing list (or the spread ubuntu mailing list) we will need help from volunteers to upload their works
[15:20] <nox-Hand> The bugger takes 15 mins to save every time, so you don't want to do that too often :P
[15:20] <shahriar86> :)
[15:21] <tuxice> HOLY SHIT!
[15:21] <nox-Hand> Righto :)
[15:21] <tuxice> srry
[15:21] <tuxice> g2g, family home.
[15:21] <shahriar86> ?
[15:21] <shahriar86> humm
[15:22] <shahriar86> nox-Hand: may I ask which course you created the metarial for?
[15:22] <shahriar86> just asking :)
[15:22] <nox-Hand> shahriar86: Danish Technical College coursework, Communication and IT class -> had to make some advertisement material
[15:22] <nox-Hand> Took me a bugger of a while to get this thing made :P
[15:22] <shahriar86> :)
[15:23] <nox-Hand> But all but fonts is open stuff, the logos are either painted from scratch (free tag) or GPL'd svg's recoloured (the arrow, cd, etc)
[15:24] <shahriar86> nice
[15:24] <shahriar86> why don't you share it at the marketing team mailing list? many will have time to prepare for intrepid release?
[15:25] <nox-Hand> I can do :) Will start by giving them a link to a full res and low res JPG, then will upload PSD over a few days (*sigh* @ 20kb/s upload at home :< )
[15:26] <shahriar86> :)
[15:26] <shahriar86> ha ha sorry
[15:26] <shahriar86> you wont be sorry if you know my upload speed
[15:27] <nox-Hand> Probably not :)
[15:27] <shahriar86> its 1.2 KB/s upload
[15:27] <nox-Hand> Ow =|
[15:27] <nox-Hand> That's like dial-up o.o
[15:27] <shahriar86> yes I know. and download is like 14KB/s
[15:28] <shahriar86> no I am not on dial-up I am on fraudband (fraud + broadband)
[15:28] <nox-Hand> Ouch
[15:28] <shahriar86> its a local name we give to the isps over here
[15:28] <nox-Hand> Where might this "here" be?
[15:29] <shahriar86> Bangladesh (South-Asian country if you don't know)
[15:29] <nox-Hand> I know :]
[15:30] <shahriar86> ha ha any way I think now you are not sorry for your slow line :)
[15:30] <nox-Hand> Slice of perspective, yeah
[15:30] <shahriar86> I have given up working on my sites because of this slow line
[15:30] <nox-Hand> Hmn, Ubuntu-title does not have ?/!, nor does it have capital letters
[15:31] <nox-Hand> I always feel that non-capital letters in documents makes it look cheap :<
[15:31] <shahriar86> sorry?
[15:31] <nox-Hand> The ubuntu font does not have the questionmark(?) and exclaimationmark (!) symbols
[15:31] <shahriar86> ohh
[15:31] <nox-Hand> It only has a-z in letters, and a .
[15:33] <shahriar86> humm you might then work with other free/libre fonts
[15:33] <shahriar86> its not mandatory you use Ubuntu Fonts
[15:33] <nox-Hand> I am also not going to :) Doesn't even look very good in general in this poster -- will find some other open fonts :)
[15:35] <shahriar86> :)
[15:38] <shahriar86> if this is your link http://nox-hand.com I would like to see more of your stuff :)
[15:41] <nox-Hand> shahriar86: THe stuff on that site is unfortunately highly out of date, but yeah, that is actually my site :P
[15:41] <nox-Hand> But yeah, have a look in the 3d and photography folder, that's my stuff
[15:41] <shahriar86> yes I can see those are from January this year, A lot happens in 6-7 months
[15:42] <nox-Hand> http://nox-hand.deviantart.com/ also mine
[15:42] <nox-Hand> But yeah, have not got all that much to show, really
[15:42] <shahriar86> ok browsing through :)
[15:42] <nox-Hand> I have not made much in the past year to be honest
[15:42] <nox-Hand> Small stuff, really
[15:42] <shahriar86> currently browsing your house :P
[15:42] <shahriar86> *room
[15:43] <nox-Hand> Ah yes, I need to update that one, too
[15:43] <nox-Hand> http://omploader.org/vc3Iw/signature_wallpapered2.jpg <-- When I say small stuff, I mean this is the sort of stuff I've been doing lately
[15:43] <nox-Hand> Small things to pass the time
[15:43] <shahriar86> :)
[15:44] <shahriar86> looks really nice :)
[15:44] <nox-Hand> ( I posted that link cause that's something I made two days ago, so gives impression of stuff I do when bored)
[15:44] <nox-Hand> That's just small photoshop stuff, and most of the time I just get bang on lucky :P
[15:44] <shahriar86> :) so its good that you get bored frequently :P
[15:45] <nox-Hand> And yeah, I use Photoshop, please don't hate me for using proprietary =| I just am not able to use GIMP for what I do (proabably because I lack skill, but yeah)
[15:45] <nox-Hand> Haha, bored, more like find time to push doing stuff like homework etc :P
[15:47] <shahriar86> :)
[15:47] <shahriar86> I don't hate people even if they use proprietory apps
[15:47] <nox-Hand> Only stuff I've done for Open Source so far is the logo set for Quassel IRC client/core: http://omploader.org/vc3Iy/quasselconcept5_eye_test4.jpg
[15:47] <shahriar86> I agree in some ways we lack good alternatives
[15:48] <nox-Hand> Good stuff :)
[15:48] <nox-Hand> (that you do not mind that :P )
[15:48] <shahriar86> :)
[15:49] <shahriar86> well if you use single bit of free/libre stuff that's a success :)
[15:49] <nox-Hand> I use Linux a lot :) Unfortunately during school I do not
[15:49] <shahriar86> we have a saying in our Language that "bindu bindu jal, somudro atal"
[15:49] <nox-Hand> I tried, but our teachers require we use software_X that does not run on Linux. Office2k7 (not allowed to use Open Office), Mathcad, etc
[15:49] <nox-Hand> Oh?
[15:49] <shahriar86> that means small drops of water makes the sea
[15:50] <nox-Hand> Great saying :)
[15:50] <shahriar86> that is you start with single free/libre produc then you strive on :)
[15:50] <shahriar86> *product
[15:50] <shahriar86> :)
[15:50] <nox-Hand> The Quassel set was made in Blender3d (yes, odd to make 2d in a 3d app, but I like it :P)
[15:51] <shahriar86> :)
[15:51] <nox-Hand> Aaah darn, there goes Photoshop :|
[15:51] <nox-Hand> 1gb ram in my computer, and the file takes up 1.1 when open :P
[15:51] <shahriar86> :P
[15:54] <nox-Hand> *sighs as he force quits Photoshop*
[15:55] <shahriar86> :)
[15:56] <shahriar86> :) I also liked Serenity :)
[15:59] <nox-Hand> Oooh yes
[15:59] <nox-Hand> :)
[15:59] <nox-Hand> Was that on my DeviantArt? :P
[15:59] <nox-Hand> I should really get all these things updated, especially my website and the room tour
[15:59] <nox-Hand> Just for the hell of it
[16:00] <shahriar86> :)
[16:00] <shahriar86> though I thought the movie started damn slow and boring, but later picked up all the fun
[16:01] <shahriar86> any way you do update, I think it will be fun to watch :)
[16:02] <nox-Hand> Haha :P
[16:03] <nox-Hand> shahriar86: I watched the TV series first, so I found it bonus interesting ;)
[16:03] <shahriar86> ohh ok :)
[16:13] <nox-Hand> Now fully open :]
[16:14] <nox-Hand> *waits for the loooooooong save time*
[16:21] <nox-Hand> Now fully open, going to write mail to mailing list now :)
[16:21] <shahriar86> :)
[16:22] <shahriar86> do so :)
[16:25] <nox-Hand> Am I correct when I think I should write simply from my own mail (that is tied to Launchpad) to >><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[16:27] <shahriar86> yes I think so
[16:42] <nox-Hand> Mail sent.
[18:15] <meoblast001> hi
[18:15] <meoblast001> there's a date problem at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[18:15] <meoblast001> i think it might need fixed
[18:17] <shahriar86> meoblast can you please explain what date problem (aside from the team meeting notice)
[18:17] <meoblast001> the team meeting notice
[18:18] <shahriar86> yes its basically there have been no official meeting for about a month (or two)
[18:19] <shahriar86> and no specific meeting coming up
[18:20] <shahriar86> we can remove it, but I suppose someone who is off higher involvement should take the initiative
[18:24]  * shahriar86 is confused whether he should try kde 4.1 or Intrepid in vm?
[18:28] <meoblast001> LOL
[18:28] <meoblast001> i just posted something on brainstorm
[18:28] <shahriar86> ah what?
[18:28] <meoblast001> and at the same time i noticed that exact same idea was just posted today and is the most popular post
[18:28] <shahriar86> really :o
[18:28] <meoblast001> can i mark my own as a duplicate?
[18:29] <shahriar86> yes why not
[18:29] <meoblast001> Live CD should have the upgrade script
[18:29] <shahriar86> yes perhaps
[18:30] <shahriar86> it will save a lot of hassles
[18:30] <shahriar86> atlest for us who wants to upgrade but also don't want to use alternative cd since its not redistributable
[18:31] <meoblast001> yeah
[18:31] <shahriar86> I have personally avoided alternative cd because its of no use once I upgrade
[18:31] <meoblast001> i've had problems with netupgrades in the past
[18:31] <meoblast001> my sister's install broke during an upgrade from gutsy to hardy
[18:31] <shahriar86> sadly with poor internet connection like we have over here its not an viable option to netupgrades
[18:32] <shahriar86> yes I heard there are few issues like that
[18:32] <meoblast001> i have an internet connection that can get it done in 4 hours
[18:32] <shahriar86> yes and I will need 3 days
[18:32] <meoblast001> i dont mind having it go over night
[18:32] <meoblast001> my dads can get it done in 2 1/2
[18:32] <shahriar86> :)
[18:32] <meoblast001> his connection costs 40 dollars though
[18:32] <meoblast001> mine costs 26
[18:32] <meoblast001> same ISP just different plans
[18:33] <shahriar86> $40 a day? or hour or month?
[18:33] <meoblast001> month
[18:33] <shahriar86> :S
[18:33] <shahriar86> :(
[18:33] <meoblast001> is that bad?
[18:33] <shahriar86> then I think cheaper than we have
[18:33] <meoblast001> well
[18:33] <meoblast001> AT&T is better than my ISP
[18:34] <meoblast001> they give you the same speed the 40 dollar plan on my ISP gives but its only 24 dollars with AT&T
[18:34] <shahriar86> my connection costs me almost $20 for 14KB/s download & 1KB/s upload
[18:34] <shahriar86> what's your speed>?
[18:34] <meoblast001> uhh... idk... i forget how to check
[18:35] <shahriar86> :P
[18:35] <shahriar86> ok
[18:35] <meoblast001> i just know it can get 600 Megs in 4 hours
[18:35] <shahriar86> http://www.speedtest.net
[18:35] <shahriar86> you might check there
[18:35] <shahriar86> *if you wish
[18:36] <meoblast001> k
[18:36] <meoblast001> download is 811 KBPS
[18:37] <meoblast001> upload is 233 KBPS
[18:37] <shahriar86> from the site or you transfered it to KB?
[18:37] <shahriar86> the site should show in kb
[18:38] <shahriar86> ahh not bad :)
[18:38] <meoblast001> yeah
[18:39] <meoblast001> its KP/S
[18:39] <shahriar86> thats why over here we call the isp's fraudband (fraud + broadbands)
[18:39] <meoblast001> i want AT&T
[18:39] <meoblast001> 1 dollar less and 1.5 Mbps dl and 384 Mbps upload
[18:39] <meoblast001> yay the tv just shut off a commercial telling users how to fix a windows computer lol
[18:40] <shahriar86> :) still you guys want beter connection, I guess this will never be decided how far we have to go to be satisfied
[18:40] <meoblast001> =/ maybe it will one day get better
[18:40] <meoblast001> we have 2 options here
[18:40] <meoblast001> the local cable company (what i use) or AT&T
[18:40] <shahriar86> I think when advanced country will have 1or10 TB/s and we will have like 10MB/s people over there will still want to get 10TB/s line :)
[18:40] <meoblast001> or you can get Narrowband Dial-up
[18:41] <meoblast001> 10 TB/s
[18:41] <meoblast001> ?
[18:41] <shahriar86> hopefully
[18:41] <meoblast001> is that possible
[18:41] <shahriar86> *just saying over time it might be possible
[18:41] <shahriar86> *10MB/s line over here will take another decade to get
[18:42] <shahriar86> believe me :P
[18:42] <meoblast001> lol
[18:42] <meoblast001> compositing graphics rule
[18:44] <meoblast001> something keeps makinga noise
[18:44] <meoblast001> that i recognise
[18:44] <meoblast001> i think its an ubuntu noise
[18:47] <meoblast001> did your ISP cut out?
[18:47] <shahriar86> no, needed to restart x
[18:47] <shahriar86> sorry for going without notifying you
[18:48] <meoblast001> yay
[18:48] <meoblast001> i think i just fixed something on my computer
[18:49] <meoblast001> it kept registering clicks on my mousepad when i type
[18:49] <shahriar86> :)
[18:49] <meoblast001> so i made it not register clicks anymore
[18:49] <shahriar86> you on kubuntu right?
[18:49] <shahriar86> klipper does that I suppose
[18:49] <meoblast001> no
[18:49] <meoblast001> i dont like kubuntu
[18:50] <meoblast001> GNOME
[18:50] <meoblast001> fw
[18:50] <shahriar86> oh ok
[18:50] <meoblast001> ftw*
[18:50] <shahriar86> then what was your problem?
[18:50] <meoblast001> shahriar86: are you in KDE or GNOME?
[18:50] <meoblast001> and my problem was a laptop specific problem
[18:50] <shahriar86> I am on kde for the apps
[18:50] <meoblast001> GNOME can run KDE apps
[18:50] <shahriar86> I also hate kde environment
[18:50] <shahriar86> yes I know, but I like most of the kde apps than gnome apps
[18:51] <meoblast001> yeah... when you try to install a KDE app in gnome, it installs the KDE base to run the app in GNOME
[18:51] <shahriar86> just my feeling :)
[18:51] <meoblast001> then install the KDE apps in GNOME
[18:51] <shahriar86> actually I don't like gnome apps
[18:51] <meoblast001> then uninstall them
[18:51] <shahriar86> but like the way gnome is presented
[18:51] <shahriar86> yes that's a hassle
[18:51] <meoblast001> i dont like many gnome apps too.. and i have KDE apps
[18:52] <shahriar86> I onced broke my system
[18:52] <shahriar86> trying to make it pure kde
[18:52] <meoblast001> oh... well.. dont uninstall the gnome apps
[18:52] <meoblast001> just install the KDE apps and leave the GNOME apps as be
[18:52] <meoblast001> i have Konqueror and Kdenlive
[18:52] <shahriar86> humm that would have been a option if I had large hdd
[18:52] <meoblast001> and Kdevelup
[18:52] <meoblast001> i only have 60 Gigs of HDD
[18:53] <shahriar86> my hdd is only 40GB while I have only 7GB for root
[18:53] <shahriar86> home another 8GB
[18:53] <meoblast001> you limit yours?
[18:53] <shahriar86> this pc is shared
[18:53] <meoblast001> oh
[18:53] <meoblast001> tell me you dont run  as root
[18:53] <shahriar86> I mean my sister & father also use it.
[18:53] <shahriar86> no god
[18:53] <meoblast001> oh lol
[18:54] <meoblast001> well.. im gonna play a game of frozen bubble
[18:54] <meoblast001> brb
[18:54] <shahriar86> :)
[18:54] <shahriar86> ok
[18:57] <meoblast001> back
[18:57] <shahriar86> :)
[18:57] <shahriar86> wcb
[18:57] <meoblast001> im wireing in.. brb
[18:57] <shahriar86> ok
[18:58] <meoblast> back
[19:06] <meoblast> mother fucker.. pidgin is crashing
[19:07] <shahriar86> humm it have crashed on me only two or three occations
[19:07] <meoblast> are you gaving X problems?
[19:08] <shahriar86> ahh its ok now
[19:08] <shahriar86> actually it was not a major problem
[19:36] <meoblast001> im installing Windows updates in Linux
[19:37] <shahriar86> windows update in linux?
[19:37] <shahriar86> in vm?
[19:37] <meoblast001> no
[19:37] <meoblast001> in WINE
[19:37] <shahriar86> why you need them in linux?
[19:38] <meoblast001> idk
[19:38] <shahriar86> :)
[19:38] <meoblast001> just cuz i heard yo cant do it
[19:38] <shahriar86> ok
[19:38] <meoblast001> i heard it checks for a WINE specific registry value
[19:39] <meoblast001> it asked if i would like to restart now lol
[19:39] <meoblast001> its restarting WINE
[19:39] <shahriar86> :)
[19:39] <meoblast001> hopefully it doesnt restart the whole system
[19:39]  * shahriar86 finally decided to try Intrepid, he can try Kde4.1 anytime
[19:39] <meoblast001> i heard DKE 4.1 sux
[19:40] <meoblast001> KDE*
[19:40] <shahriar86> may be not sure
[19:40] <shahriar86> few liked it while other hated it (most probably because it looks more like vista)
[19:40] <shahriar86> I used kde 4 for few days and I started hating it
[19:41] <meoblast001> the slogan is Don't Look Back.
[19:41] <meoblast001> reminds me of Vista
[19:41] <meoblast001> lol
[19:41] <shahriar86> ha ha
[19:43] <shahriar86> lets see what they brought up in final release
[19:50] <shahriar86> away
[19:50] <shahriar86> goodnight everyone


[08:00] <cwillu> okay, so it looks like some recent xorg changes have fixed up the intel immediate crashing on resume from suspend, so now I can actually sensibly bug people about my delayed slow-crash after resume-from-suspend that I've had from early 2.6.30rc's through to present 2.6.31rc4
[08:01] <cwillu> now if only I could remember who I was talking to about that :p
[08:01] <cwillu> apw, I think that might have been you
[08:07] <cwillu> apw, yep, that was you:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/380807
[08:07] <ubot3> Malone bug 380807 in linux "[karmic, intel] Laptop locks up moments after resuming from suspend" [Medium,In progress]
[08:07] <cwillu> apw, the other bug that was confounding things is fixed and closed, so it might be a little easier to get something done now :p
[08:20] <jjohansen> cwillu: with this bug does your filesystem still require the fsck after reboot using reisub?
[08:21] <cwillu> jjohansen, you know, I can't remember.  The last couple times I just rebooted and came back a minute or two later
[08:21] <jjohansen> cwiilu: if so, is it possible to test with an alternate fs, say ext3
[08:21] <cwillu> was thinking about that
[08:22] <cwillu> s/was thinking/was just thinking/
[08:23] <cwillu> looks like I've got enough room on my backup disk to take an image and reinstall fresh
[08:24] <jjohansen> cwillu: that would be really helpful
[08:24] <cwillu> okay, so I'm going to just do an rsync, recreate an ext3 filesystem and rsync back (so, not actually a fresh install)
[08:24] <cwillu> is that still useful?
[08:25] <cwillu> I could do a complete reinstall and just restore /home, but that'll be more... annoying, than I'd like
[08:26] <jjohansen> yeah the rsync to ext3 is useful
[08:26] <cwillu> k, waiting for the backup to finish... will probably take a little while as it hasn't been home for the nightly backup in a couple weeks
[08:27]  * cwillu looks around
[08:27] <cwillu> what, doesn't everyone do an automatic nightly backup? :p
[08:27] <jjohansen> basically with reisub not working (ie. having fsck) the first place I would look is the fs layer
[08:28] <jjohansen> cwillu: I think most people around here use rsync, though I have played with simple backup config and it is easy and not too bad
[08:51] <cwillu> dtchen, also, I remember poking you about some pulseaudio instability and drop-outs, which was blamed on a bad driver.  Indeed, 2.6.31 on this machine (different from the laptop I'm talking about to jjohansen) hasn't had any audio issues that I've noticed.
[09:04] <apw> cwillu, heh sounds good
[10:06] <lesshaste> the touchpad on my toshiba tecra a9 fails intermittently and I see this in dmesg psmouse.c: DualPoint TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
[10:23] <lesshaste> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12577 appears to fix my problem
[10:23] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 12577 in Input Devices "DualPoint TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync" [Normal,New]
[11:27] <apw> lesshaste, is there an ubuntu bug for that one?
[11:27] <lesshaste> apw, yes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/365968
[11:27] <ubot3> Malone bug 365968 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "touchpad randomly failing" [Undecided,New]
[11:27] <lesshaste> actually there seem to be a few
[11:27] <lesshaste> lots of people are reporting something similar
[11:27] <lesshaste> I emailed the kernel mailing list too
[11:28] <apw> no wonder we have not seen it, its not got a linux task, nor does it have a link to the upstream bug
[11:38] <lesshaste> apw, that's bad... in general the triaging of kernel related bugs on launchpad is really weak
[11:38] <apw> we do our best given our team is small, we can only triage those bugs marked for the kernel after all
[11:39] <apw> normally the x group is pretty good at triaging those and pushing them to linux for us
[11:39] <apw> this one sounds like its fallen through the holes.
[11:39] <apw> i've done the admin on it so at least we can see it
[11:42] <lesshaste> thanks
[11:42] <lesshaste> and yes the problem is that they are not even marked for the kernel usually
[11:42] <lesshaste> so the problem happens before you :)
[11:42] <lesshaste> I should say that it's a pretty fatal bug
[11:42] <lesshaste> I have to reboot to recover
[11:43] <apw> lesshaste, so you can trigger this?
[11:44] <lesshaste> apw, actually I don't know how to trigger it but it happens after I use X for a bit
[11:44] <lesshaste> every day I would say
[11:46] <apw> ok
[11:48] <apw> lesshaste, what arch you using i386 or amd64
[11:49] <lesshaste> i385
[11:49] <lesshaste> err.. i386
[11:54] <lesshaste> apw, although this is slightly OT, some teams don't seem to exist at all.. I had a grub bug that I fixed myself but no one from the grub team ever contributed to it as far as I can see
[11:54] <lesshaste> is there anyone on that team?
[11:55] <apw> there is probabally no specific team for grub.  foundations tend to care as its a critical package, we care as it impacts us directly as in interfaces directly with us
[11:55] <apw> though i would say we are concentrating on grub2 this cycle
[11:56] <lesshaste> that was the fix in fact
[11:56] <apw> move to grub2?
[11:56] <lesshaste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389930
[11:56] <ubot3> Malone bug 389930 in grub "grub menu does not display after cold boot on Toshiba laptops" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:56] <lesshaste> apw, yep
[11:57] <lesshaste> scott howard was very friendly but I don't feel this was his expertise
[11:57] <apw> noone upon noone really wants to work on grub, upstream has moved on to grub2 and so should we
[12:08] <lesshaste> apw, ok.. does anyone want to work on grub2?
[12:10] <apw> we are taking an interest in it from a bug point of view, not planning any dev for it here
[12:11] <apw> as a distro we are blazing a trail being one of the first mainstream distros to jump
[12:23] <lesshaste> apw, :) yes
[12:58] <ibrar> Can Any body tell me how to set ALL_PATCH_DIR
[12:58] <ibrar> I am compiling kernel using "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-my --added-patches equal.patch   kernel-image kernel-headers"
[12:58] <ibrar> and always getting error
[12:58] <ibrar> debian/ruleset/misc/patches.mk:108: *** Could not find patch for equal.patch.  Stop.
[13:00] <ibrar> ?
[13:08] <apw> ibrar, can't say i've ever used it sorry
[13:08] <apw> lesshaste, ok am pushing some packages with that 9-byte format patch applied, will update the bug when they are up
[13:11] <ibrar> apw: I have made changes to kernel! I only want to incremental build that
[13:12] <ibrar> apw: Can you guide me how
[13:12] <apw> i generally build using either in a ppa, or using the direct build interfaces myself
[13:12] <ibrar> apw: this fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-my --added-patches equal.patch   kernel-image kernel-headers command does not pick my changes so I have to clean and rebuild the whole kernel which waste a lot of time
[13:13] <apw> generally you have to remove the build stamps from debian/stamps to get a partial rebuild, iirc.
[13:15] <ibrar> apw: These are really higher level timestamp and removing this cause almost compiling whole kernel again
[13:16] <apw> generally if the build one is still there it cleans the whole thing when using the debian/rules targets
[13:17] <apw> generally i am building using fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[13:17] <apw> and removing the build specific stamp lets me redo that without a full rebuidl
[13:18] <rtg_> ibrar, apw: how about a command of this form 'make -C debian/build/build-generic M=/my-module-directory-here' ?
[13:22] <apw> one doesn't end up with a whole kernel but if all you need is the .ko that can work
[13:28] <apw> rtg_, you prolly noticed i pushed a startnewrelease
[13:28] <rtg_> apw, yep
[13:28] <apw> i am also testing an aufs update, seems to be a few small bug fixes upstream so pulling them into karmic
[13:29] <rtg_> cool. Have our Live CD users noticed anything? Was A3 even built using aufs?
[13:30] <apw> yep the live cds are pretty magic, they use aufs if it exists so they switch automatically when we uploaded.  just before A3 the images were using it, and direct reports of goodness in testing
[13:31] <apw> lesshaste, pushed ... all yours
[13:32] <rtg_> apw, I might get back on LTS backports this week.
[13:33] <apw> that sounds cool.  its one of the laggers though we should separate it out as its not a release goal persee
[13:33] <lesshaste> apw, thanks!  how would I find them?
[13:33] <apw> details in the bug
[13:34] <lesshaste> apw, ah yes.. thanks
[13:34] <rtg_> apw, I'm pretty close to having the first batch of uploads. Just need to review the -meta details.
[13:34] <apw> so we should be able to get -server to test on it and let us know if it might work for them
[13:34] <rtg_> apw, yep, they are the only audience I'm interested in.
[13:53]  * cwillu proposes renaming livecd's to magiccd's
[14:07] <cwillu> oh, incidently, is it expected that wireless devices default to off in 2.6.31?
[14:07] <cwillu> I always have to hit the killswitch to turn it back on now
[14:08] <rtg_> cwillu, what laptop do you have?
[14:09] <cwillu> acer aspire 3690
[14:09] <cwillu> wireless has worked fine since edgy
[14:10] <rtg_> cwillu, its likely the acer WMI or RFKILL driver that is causing the problem. the rfkill subsystem was completely rewritten
[14:11] <gnarl> There has been an rfkill rework in 2.6.30/1 which still could have some problems
[14:11] <gnarl> rtg_, Yeah, apw was looking on some cases iirc
[14:11]  * cwillu pokes apw with the laptop-from-hell :p
[14:11] <cwillu> but it should or shouldn't be defaulting to off?
[14:12] <rtg_> cwillu, no, it should default to off
[14:12] <gnarl> It should be defaulting to the state it had last imo
[14:12] <cwillu> I can file a bug once I know if its actually a bug and not just something finally working as expected ;p
[14:12] <cwillu> k
[14:12] <rtg_> should not*
[14:12] <cwillu> (k, in the 'misread that to mean what you intended' sense :p)
[14:13] <apw> cwillu, do you find hitting the h/w switchy thing twice sorts it out?  generally where the default is inverted we see that occuring
[14:13] <cwillu> apw, I'll have to try that
[14:13] <cwillu> just heading off to work, but I'll let you know
[14:14] <cwillu> but... after startup, hitting it once brings it back.  after resume from suspend, I have to hit it once, and then restart networkmanager before it'll kick in
[14:14] <cwillu> the latter may just be my usual delayed and gradual crashing of everything
[14:14] <cwillu> (on resume)
[15:45] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  is there any 2.6.31 without DRM support that I could test?  I'm starting to believe that bug #396286 might be caused by the kernel and/or udev insisting on loading DRM to get KMS, even on hardware where it's not ported.
[15:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 396286 in linux "kernel 2.6.31-generic oops after loading initramfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396286
[15:47] <mjg59> udev will load the drm module even without KMS, yes
[15:48] <mjg59> But there's no drm for the Geode
[15:49] <mjg59> So that's not what's happening
[15:50] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: indeed, there isn't any ported yet AFAIK
[15:50] <mjg59> So it's not a drm issue
[15:52] <Q-FUNK> the drm-related modules are the only difference I can spot between what 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 loads whenever dpkg-reconfiguring the kernel
[15:52] <mjg59> If there's no driver with a PCI ID that'll bind to the Geode then nothing will end up running
[15:54] <Q-FUNK> aye
[15:55] <Q-FUNK> I'm just running out of options as to what could cause this kernel crash during bootup.  I've checked every possible issue I could, short of learning how to read kernel core dumps
[16:33] <Ng> how's 802.11n support in karmic? (I was in a room that had a/b/g/n yesterday and I only seemed to connect to g)
[16:36] <rtg_> Ng, 4965? I'm using an xps1330 to an 802.11n AP
[16:37] <Ng> 5300
[16:38] <rtg_> Ng, I have one of those somewhere....
[16:38] <Ng> rtg_: it could just be that NetworkManager wasn't trying to use the 11n in preference, I was just idly curious if we'd generally expect it to work
[16:39] <rtg_> Ng, yes, in general 802.11n _should_ work.
[16:40] <Ng> groovy
[17:57] <rtg_> apw, push it
[17:58] <apw> doh, will push the aufs update ...
[17:58] <Q-FUNK> heh
[17:59] <apw> rtg pushed
[18:01] <apw> rtg that dell rfkill switch thing i guess thats testable on anything with a h/w kill switch
[18:05] <apw> Keybuk, just fyi the next kernel update will include a few aufs bug fixes
[18:05] <Keybuk> ok
[18:10] <apw> Keybuk, its applied in the kernels here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/green if you want to play, passed basic testing here
[18:11] <apw> Keybuk, bah will take  a few mins to sort, PPA copy jut did something mad
[18:28] <apw> Keybuk, now they are there
[18:39] <rtg_> apw, do you have anything in the pipe for Karmic? I'm thinking about getting the aufs and dell-laptop changes uploaded.
[18:40] <apw> no nothing ...
[18:40] <rtg_> apw, ok, I'll wrap a bow on it in a bit
[18:40] <apw> rtg_, ack
[18:42] <apw> rtg the nice thing is that would also test sparc build fixes
[19:21] <lesshaste> apw, is shm.c: mmap() failed: Cannot allocate memory an  application bug?
[19:22] <apw> will generally be something that side though nothing is guarenteed in this world
[19:22] <lesshaste> ok :)
[19:23] <lesshaste> except death and taxes of course
[19:24] <lesshaste> people seem to see it all over the place so I doubt its actually a specific app issue
[20:01] <ivoks> rtg_: you said that you've removed drbd from karmic kernel, but it's still here?
[20:03] <sbeh> hi, 1. is there an option for debian/rules that does not clean the kernel-build? 2. how do i get linux-headers-2.6.28-14.deb because the file linux-headers-2.6.28-14-generic.deb depends on it?
[20:04] <rtg_> ivoks, I'm not sure where or when I said that. the git log shows a couple of maintenance touches since your January update.
[20:05] <ivoks> rtg_: mail sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>24/06/2009
[20:05] <ivoks> rtg_: anyway, could you remove it or should i report a bug about it?
[20:07] <rtg_> ivoks, start by reporting the bug. That'll give me time to remember what in hell drbd does.
[20:07] <ivoks> :)
[20:07] <ivoks> rtg_: it's network mirror, we moved kernel part to drbd8-source package which uses dkms
[20:08] <rtg_> sbeh,  there are several meta packages tha you can use to kkep your headers packages up to date; linux-headers-generic, linux-headers-server, etc.
[20:08] <sbeh> why is building kernels on debian that terrible complicated
[20:08] <sbeh> on gentoo i unpack the source and make menuconfig && make && cp .. /boot, thats it
[20:08] <sbeh> rtg_: I build git to boot from nfs
[20:08] <ivoks> you can do that on debian/ubuntu too
[20:09] <rtg_> sbeh, install devscripts, then type 'debuild -b'.
[20:09] <sbeh> ivoks: but then i loose the ability to use apt for kernel-modules
[20:11] <ivoks> sbeh: which you had on gentoo? :D
[20:11] <sbeh> portage
[20:12] <sbeh> rtg_: this does create deb-packages, i don't know which files linux-headers-2.6.28-14-generic is awaiting in linux-headers-2.6.28-14.deb
[20:13] <rtg_> sbeh, 'debuild -b' creates everything, including the headers debs
[20:14] <sbeh> oh reset, i read the KernelCompile-Wikipage and I already got linux-image*.deb and linux-header*.deb, but the linux-header*.deb depends on a deb that did not get build while following the instructions on the wikipage
[20:14] <sbeh> what do you mean by 'everything'?
[20:15] <rtg_> sbeh, the linux-headers packages depend on linux-headers-*_all.deb. 'debuild -b' will build that package as well.
[20:16] <sbeh> does it take hours too?
[20:16] <sbeh> like debian/rules binary-generic?
[20:16] <rtg_> sbeh, that depends on your build machine.
[20:18] <sbeh> like ...
[20:18] <sbeh> argh, i will just try it
[20:19] <rtg_> sbeh,  read the man page on debuild first. by default it cleans first
[20:22] <sbeh> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: xmlto docbook-utils transfig sharutils
[20:22] <sbeh> wtf?!
[20:22] <sbeh> the hole texlive-distribution, wonderful!
[20:23] <rtg_> sbeh, have you tried satisfying the build dependencies by installing those packages?
[20:23] <sbeh> i dont want to
[20:23] <sbeh> linux can be build without texlive *g
[20:23] <rtg_> sbeh, this ain't linux, this is debian.
[20:25] <sbeh> hm, ok, I will build 2.6.28-13 than, so I can use the already build packages, thanks
[21:14] <lerot> hi
[21:15] <lerot> do most distros such as ubuntu  use the same system calls which UNIX has as mentioned by POSIX?
[21:38] <praveen> lerot: I think they do
[21:42] <sbeh> even gentoo with freebsd-kernel does ;)
[21:43] <Kernel_n00b> Hi
[21:43] <Kernel_n00b> Anyone here ?
[21:43] <sbeh> don't ask to ask, just ask!
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> Hi,
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> I need to measure the time consume by the Page-Fault process.
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> I'm trying to measure the software's overhead (no including the HDD overhead).
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> I'm using Ubuntu 9.04 running Linux Kernel 2.6.28
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> I have a small application which generates Page-Fault and then calculate the time (user mode) it is handled.
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> In order to deduce the IO (HDD) Time, I try to wrap the following section:
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> file : linux/mm/page_io.c
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> function: int swap_readpage()
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> bio = get_swap_bio(GFP_KERNEL, page_private(page), page,
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> end_swap_bio_read);
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> Is this the correct location ?
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> In addition, in order to time the process correctly, I couldn't decide whether I should use "gettimeoftheday()" , RDTSC (on Intel's CPU) or maybe the new Intel's HPET.
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> Any Suggestion ?
[21:56] <Kernel_n00b> Thank you for your help.
[22:00] <Kernel_n00b> No one ?
[22:02] <Kernel_n00b> sbeh ?
[22:07] <manjo> Kernel_n00b, have you seen this http://ww2.cs.fsu.edu/~hines/present/timing_linux.pdf
[22:09] <Kernel_n00b> Nope.. I'll check it out.
[22:09] <Kernel_n00b> Thanks!
[22:09] <manjo> Kernel_n00b, looks like that is what you need to do instead of adding kernel code
[22:11] <Kernel_n00b> How did you find it ?
[22:14] <Kernel_n00b> Hmmm....
[22:15] <Kernel_n00b> I think I'm back to the same question :-(
[22:16] <Kernel_n00b> getinfo() is using RDTSC
[22:16] <Kernel_n00b> as in my question....
[22:16] <Kernel_n00b> the problem is that I still neeed to measure the HDD Access time, and deduce it from the PageFault time.
[22:27] <Kernel_n00b> Anyone ?
[22:40] <Kernel_n00b> Someone ?
[22:41] <Kernel_n00b__> ?
[22:42] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: all of the timing sources have problems, so its a pick your poison type of thing.
[22:44] <Kernel_n00b__> I was hopping someone could tell me which function should I measure (in order to deduce the HDD overhead)
[22:44] <Kernel_n00b__> I know that timing is a tricky issue. it is always tricky if you're running an multitask OS
[22:44] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: I haven't played in the vm code lately so it would require digging
[22:45] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: how do plan on accounting for everything else that can happen while your process is waiting for its page fault
[22:47] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: just because you start a page fault doesn't mean its the only io going on, and there could be other interrupts, cpu use etc
[22:48] <Kernel_n00b__> I plan to kill all process that I don't need (including network).
[22:49] <Kernel_n00b__> I though of installing a RAM-drive and swap to it. this is how I can measure the HDD access VS memory access (which is much faster)
[22:49] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: measuring at swap_readpage (I haven't looked) will probably work for a rough value as long as you get a good sampling get rid of the outliers
[22:50] <Kernel_n00b__> I think I'll used RDTSC to measure timing. I need uSec accuracy
[22:50] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: I would go ask on kernelnewbies and see if anyone more familure with current vm is hanging out
[22:51] <jjohansen> Kernel_n00b__: make sure to set it so the processor doesn't do any speed changes, or C state changes then, as those will affect your RDTSC
[22:53] <Kernel_n00b__> I'll also use CPUID in order to ensure no "Out-Of_Order" execution on the measuring section :-)


[13:04] <maxb> ibus has suddenly stopped starting as part of my very standard unity session on yakkety - has anyone else encountered this?
[14:10] <maxb> For some reason I suddenly needed to use im-config to explicitly choose ibus before it would be started


[02:51] <Logan_> pitti: doesn't look like the retracer marked Bug 1379974 properly as a duplicate - might be because the duped report has a ton of duplicates already, so an LP problem?
[05:21] <darkxst> Laney, what happened with bug 1370755?
[05:32] <CanYouFTLTN> hi ubuntu-devel
[10:12] <pitti> Logan_: yeah, I got several LP timeout exceptions in the retracers
[11:27] <Laney> darkxst: don't know, guess the release team missed it
[11:28] <darkxst> Laney, except you were going to approve it?
[11:29] <Laney> is my reply not good enough?
[11:29] <darkxst> no, I mean you said you would approve it]
[11:30] <Laney> just did
[11:31] <darkxst> ok, thanks ;)
[11:35] <darkxst> and bug emails are quite slow ;)
[20:22] <hallyn> slangasek: hi, new cgmanager package at mentors has the patch which bug submitter claims fixes debian bug 757348   (http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cgmanager/cgmanager_0.33-1.dsc)
[20:23] <slangasek> hallyn: grabbing
[20:23] <hallyn> though there's someone also claiming an install bug, but not sure hotel wifi is suitable to reproducing htat
[20:23] <hallyn> thanks!
[20:30] <slangasek> hallyn: uploaded
[21:48] <Pwnna> does anyone know if there's a notify feature for procfs?
[21:50] <Pwnna> i guess that doesn't really make any sense
[21:52] <geofft> what are you trying to do? I believe inotify doesn't work, but there are things like the proc connector for process creation etc.


[01:17] <cjohnston> nealmcb: you arent still around are you?
[01:17] <cjohnston> sorry nealmcb..
[01:17] <cjohnston> wrong tab complete
[07:47] <mdke> MTecknology: ;)
[11:24] <newz2000> hi cjohnston, I realize it's a bit early for you yet, but I talked to the sysadmins and got their general approval.
[11:24] <newz2000> I'll email you the details but I'd also like to talk to the design team's project manager to make sure everyone is on the same page
[11:24] <newz2000> It looks like that will happen tomorrow
[11:25] <newz2000> so if you can consider things in a holding pattern for just a bit longer I think we'll be in a good position to have everyone in agreement
[11:25] <newz2000> soon. :-)
[11:29] <FFEMTcJ> newz2000: Early for you what?
[11:29] <newz2000> FFEMTcJ: I'm in the UK this week, so no. :-)
[11:30] <FFEMTcJ> Oh fun
[11:31] <newz2000> it would be more fun if I weren't working ;-)
[11:31] <FFEMTcJ> I've been sick for 5 days so wasn't even around enough to know that
[11:31] <FFEMTcJ> True
[11:32] <FFEMTcJ> I was confused as to why you were pinging me
[11:32] <newz2000> oh, are you cjohnston?
[11:32] <FFEMTcJ> Ya
[11:32] <FFEMTcJ> Sorry
[11:32] <newz2000> :-D
[11:32] <FFEMTcJ> Cell phone
[11:33] <newz2000> FFEMTcJ: Oh, I just wanted you to know that I've got approval from the IS team on our idea (w/ some caveats)
[11:33] <FFEMTcJ> Ok
[11:34] <FFEMTcJ> When do u wanna talk about it?
[11:35] <FFEMTcJ> I was gonna suggest you call me until u said uk
[11:36] <newz2000> FFEMTcJ: not today, maybe tomorrow
[11:36] <FFEMTcJ> K
[11:36] <newz2000> tomorrow I talk to Iain the proj manager for designs. If we can get his sign-off along with IS we are gold.
[11:36] <newz2000> And you can move forward w/out any fears of resistance. Mwaa haa haa
[11:36] <FFEMTcJ> Sweet
[11:37] <FFEMTcJ> World domination is coming
[11:37] <FFEMTcJ> I didn't see much feedback to your proposal on how to do it
[11:37] <newz2000> The worst thing in the world is when people get excited and bureacracy gets in the way, so I'm hoping to do my part to help ensure it doesn't happen
[11:38] <newz2000> yeah
[11:38] <newz2000> there was some chatter here on IRC
[11:38] <FFEMTcJ> Ok
[11:39] <FFEMTcJ> Good bad?
[11:39] <newz2000> good
[11:40] <FFEMTcJ> Cool
[11:42] <FFEMTcJ> U back next week?
[11:42] <FFEMTcJ> Sorry for the textibg lingo.
[11:42] <newz2000> FFEMTcJ: yeah, I'll be returning late Friday
[11:43] <newz2000> I may have some time to chat this week. I'll know in an hour what my schedule will look like
[11:43] <FFEMTcJ> Ok. So hopefully next week a team meeting
[11:43] <FFEMTcJ> Ok
[11:43] <FFEMTcJ> For me I don't need anything formal


[03:36] <galadas> hello everyone
 Heyo all
 some people are off because of timezones
[06:57] <Mrokii> Hello guys. Big problem here. After rebooting Kubuntu, I got this error "Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session." There's nothing I can do from this point on.
[08:06] <konrados> Morning :)
[08:09] <konrados> I use fish (I'm mean a shell) now I want to create an alias, I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/2763014/5733557 but do you know how to pass argument passed to this function to a program which I call in this function?
[08:12] <konrados> Oh, actually in this link a guy answered my question, I meant a different link and pasted this one :) Sorry, nvm
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:42] <yossarianuk> why has firefox 48 not come in the repo's yet ?
[10:46] <yossarianuk>  is anyone else getting lots of random crashes with firefox v 47 ? I've noticed on multiple machines ...  dmesg shows Chrome_ChildThr[8050]: segfault at 0 ip 000055a172865bb8 sp 00007fe16c4fe360 error 6 in plugin-container[55a17285d000+3e000]  - i.e Flash related
[10:47] <ahh11> Hello
[10:47] <ahh11> Is there anywhere I can download A PowerPC version of the latest Kubuntu for an eMac G4?
[11:48] <TomTom> any idea when kmail 5.2.x will be part of the repos/backports? this "no inline image" bug is really annoying...
[11:56] <BluesKaj> TomTom, matbe the #kubuntu-devel guys will know
[11:56] <BluesKaj> maybe
[11:57] <ahoneybun> kmail is handled by Apps now I think
[11:58] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, Apps?
[11:58] <ahoneybun> Applications
[11:59] <ahoneybun> KDE Applications is at 16.04.3 in jenkins
[11:59] <ahoneybun> but for yakkety
[12:00] <ahoneybun> we're still trying to push quite a bit of packages though to the repos for a update this big
[12:02] <BluesKaj> I don't mean to be too negative about 16.04 , but I had to revert to 14.04 for a stable OS. Heck, even 16.10 runs better on this pc than 16.04
[12:03] <ahoneybun> I have a usuable system on 16.04 with backports
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yeah i had the backports enabled
[12:04] <ahoneybun> workable for me
[12:05] <ahoneybun> can't go back to Plasma 4
[12:05] <ahoneybun> well KDE 4 at that point
[12:06] <BluesKaj> it was mostly a video problem , movies would crash and freeze the system so badly even REISUB wouldn't reboot
[12:06] <ahoneybun> that is a odd one for sure
[12:07] <ahoneybun> I've even had success with have different video cards and such
[12:07] <oliverl> Hallo zusammen
[12:08] <BluesKaj> well the nvidia 8400GS works well on trusty so I'll stick with it until 16.04 less problematic
[12:08] <oliverl> is here somebody who can explain to me how to set up a service that is only running on shutdown/halt but NOT on reboot?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> oliverl, what kind of service?
[12:09] <oliverl> so far it's always executed but I want to exclude it from reboot
[12:09] <oliverl> it's a backup script
[12:11] <oliverl> under upstart it was easy but with systemd I didn't find anything on the internet
 systemctl runs services
 ie sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[12:12] <oliverl> I know
 your trying to make a service or run it?
[12:13] <oliverl> run it
 so you want it to run on the system on every boot?
[12:15] <oliverl> [Unit] has "Before=shutdown.target" and [Install] has "WantedBy=shutdown.target"
[12:15] <BluesKaj> oliverl, youi can still use apps like upstart-app-start-tools
[12:15] <oliverl> no only on init 0 not init 6
[12:16] <oliverl> together with systemd?
[12:16] <oliverl> with kubuntu 16.04 only systemd is installed
[12:16] <oliverl> therefore I assumed it's the only one used
 upstart is still used for somethings
[12:16] <BluesKaj> oliverl, well, not sure how it works , but they're in the repos /muon
[12:17] <ahoneybun> oliverl: http://patrakov.blogspot.com/2011/01/writing-systemd-service-files.html
[12:17] <BluesKaj> checkout upstart in the package manager
[12:18] <oliverl> BluesKaj, I'm a bit scary since there are a lot of scripts in /etc/init and if I would install upstart I fear all of them will be executed in addition to what systemd is starting
[12:21] <BluesKaj> yeah , I haven't seen any explanations how upstart works witrh systemd services , if at all
[12:21] <oliverl> Basically I understood how to write systemd jobs but I didn't find a hint how to distinguish between halt and reboot
 halt turns the system off I believe
 that's how I've used it
[12:23] <oliverl> yes
[12:24] <oliverl> and exactly then I want to run the backup script but - as you can imagine - not on any reboot
[12:25] <BitHorizon> Hello! Is there any way of installing Plasma 5.7 on Kubuntu 16.04?
[12:25] <BitHorizon> I need the new DPI scaling for my high DPI laptop in order to use Plasma.
[12:25] <ahoneybun> not at the moment BitHorizon
[12:25] <ahoneybun> it's in the pipelines for 16.10 atm
[12:25] <BitHorizon> Can't even compile from source?
[12:26] <ahoneybun> no as 16.04 does not have a new version of Qt that it needs
[12:26] <ahoneybun> we're working with Ubuntu to get it pushed into
[12:27] <BitHorizon> Awesome. Can't wait to switch to Kubuntu on my precision 15 5000
[12:28] <ahoneybun> sweet 16.10 is the target for new things then we'll work to backport them to 16.04
[12:31] <paranoidabhi_> ahoneybun, so kde 5.7 would be ultimately available for 16.04?
[12:32] <ahoneybun> yea that's the plan
[12:32] <ahoneybun> 5.8 will be a LTS Plasma release and we would like to leave it at that
[12:32] <paranoidabhi_> ahoneybun, would it be after 16.10's release?
[12:33] <ahoneybun> it's possible
[12:33] <ahoneybun> the freeze for 16.10 is on the 18th of this month
[12:33] <ahoneybun> so after that we have to request changes
[12:34] <BitHorizon> Until Kubuntu gets 5.7, what is an alternative, stable distro until that version of Plasma arrives? The only way I can use Plasma is with the new DPI stuff in 5.7.
[12:34] <BitHorizon> Whoops, I repeated myself lol
[12:34] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[12:35] <ahoneybun> KDE Neon has 5.7.2 atm
[12:35] <BitHorizon> What packagebase does Neon have?
[12:35] <ahoneybun> ubuntu 16.04
[12:36] <BitHorizon> Is Neon stable enough for daily use?
[12:36] <paranoidabhi_> are there any disadvantages to kde-neon over kubuntu?
[12:36] <ahoneybun> not sure don't use it
[12:36] <ahoneybun> there is a developer version and a "stable" one
[12:37] <ahoneybun> not sure tbh
[12:37] <paranoidabhi_> it seems kde-neon and kubuntu have the same goal.
[12:37] <paranoidabhi_> ubuntu+kde.
[12:37] <ahoneybun> they don't follow the Ubuntu release cycle
[12:38] <devil___> is there a linux stuff room for india?
[12:38] <ahoneybun> !india
[12:39] <ahoneybun> !india devil___
[12:39] <devil___> ok ty
[12:39] <ahoneybun> np
 <paranoidabhi_> the advantage is the latest KDE desktop. The disadvantage is that its locked to LTS so 3rd party applications will be older
 Also the archive of apps might be broken due to newer Qt versions
[12:42] <devil___> my Kbuntu 16.04 is crashing?? cant figure out why..
[12:43] <devil___> it keeps on crashing every minute..
[12:43] <paranoidabhi_> I am a bit new to linux. Why does it take so much time to integrate new kde into kubuntu 16.04?
[12:43] <paranoidabhi_> I want to understand the process. :)
[12:44] <devil___> new kde? you mean why does it take to download all kde tools and dependencies and install it into linux?
[12:44] <ahoneybun> paranoidabhi_: move over to #kubuntu-devel to see the gears moving
[12:45] <devil___> anyone here into kernel programming? or into OS programming in general? any advice for a noob as to where to start?
[12:46] <ahoneybun> I'd be worried about PPA's not working in Neon
[12:47] <ahoneybun> since they are built on launchpad for certain ubuntu versions with certain package versions
[12:48] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: in this case it is a new Qt 5.6 version required for plasma 5.7. Xenial has QT 5.5.1
[12:50] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: so it needs to be backported without breaking the rest of the parts of ubuntu etc that depends on Qt 5.5
[12:51] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: Neon, being separate, can choose not to care as long as their KDE/plasma works
[12:51] <ahoneybun> so it's a balancing act
[12:52] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: kubuntu has to take much more care over how it affects the rest of the ubuntu archive
[12:53] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: plus kubuntu has the next release Yakkety Yak to work on as well!
[12:55] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: there was also just some unfortunate timing with Xenial that meant Qt 5.6 didn't go in. If it had, then much of this would not be as problematic.
[12:55] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: but it is what it is, and it will take a little time
[12:55] <paranoidabhi_> acheronuk, thanks, makes sense! What's the solution to the qt conflict?
[12:55] <paranoidabhi_> How will you resolve it ultimately?
[12:57] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: already got backported builds of QT 5.6 and plasma staged against that in some testing ppas. Just need to test and QA that enough that anyone using the backport ppa with that in won't find a lot of non specific kubuntu stuff is broken.
[13:01] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: kubuntu is "friendly computing". rushing a backport and making a load on non kubuntu software that you might want to install from the archive broke, is not 'friendly'
[13:47] <katronix> hi all, if you have an apt-get issue that apt-get -f install can't fix, is there a way to tell apt-get to forget about the issue?
[13:51] <katronix> should I ask in #ubuntu instead?
[13:56] <Guest75224> weisst jemand warum kubuntu-de.org nicht erreichbar ist?
[13:57] <Pici> !de | Guest75224
[14:41] <oliverl> solved the problem, it's necessary to use under [Install] "WantedBy=poweroff.target" and under [Unit] "Before=shutdown.target". With this being set up it's running as desired.
[15:12] <viewer|19101> I'm runnung kubuntu 14.04-4   Will there be an automatic update to 14.04.-5  or  a  do-release-upgrade?
[15:14] <Smurphy> if you applied all updates regularly, you already are on 14.04.5
[15:18] <viewer|19101> I did. But my kernel says 4.2.0-42-generic
[15:19] <Smurphy> lsb_release -a
[15:19] <Smurphy> kernel version has nothing to do with ubntutu version.
[15:19] <Smurphy> I have 3.13.0-30-generic
[15:20] <Smurphy> on a lts 14.0405
[15:20] <Smurphy> on a lts 14.04-5
[15:20] <viewer|19101> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:20] <viewer|19101> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:20] <viewer|19101> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:20] <viewer|19101> 14.04.5   ah ok
[15:20] <Smurphy> See.
[15:20] <Smurphy> Why are you on kernel 14.04 ?
[15:21] <viewer|19101> i installed kubuntu 14.04-4
[15:21] <Smurphy> Should not update the kernel.
[15:22] <Smurphy> Well, my kubuntu is on 16.04.x - my server is on 14.04.5
[15:23] <viewer|19101> it was no update, it was a fresh installation some month ago
[15:24] <viewer|19101> but thx i don't care about the kernel version
[15:36] <Smurphy> ok.
[17:06] <user|2996> Hi, i,m use mint but kde in mint is very crash, kubuntu is stable KDE?
[17:07] <Smurphy> Did you update your mint ?
[17:07] <user|2996> Mint is a distro gtk+ like, kde is next
[17:08] <Smurphy> I know mint. But did you apply all updates ?
[17:08] <user|2996> Yes, i all update
[17:08] <user|2996> But plasma is crash
[17:12] <user|2996> Plama version in Kubuntu?
[17:12] <Smurphy> konsole -version
[17:12] <Smurphy> Qt: 5.5.1
[17:12] <Smurphy> KDE Frameworks: 5.23.0
[17:12] <Smurphy> Konsole: 15.12.3
[17:12] <dax> We have no idea whether Plama is going to crash on Ubuntu for you, because we have no idea why it's crashing in Mint and whether it's a Mint-specific or version-specific issue, or something else.
[17:12] <Smurphy> Plasma 5.6.5 here
[17:12] <dax> Grab an Ubuntu LiveUSB, boot it, and test it.
[17:13] <user|2996> When plasma 5.7?
[17:13] <user|2996> My, opinion KDE crashed all distro :-)
[17:14] <user|2996> But, working
[17:14] <Smurphy> Nope. Didn't have a crash for months
[17:16] <user|2996> Mint from cin.. did't have a crash, but i dislike cin...
[17:17] <user|2996> I love KDE, very very user friendly gui
[17:18] <Smurphy> Using KDE since release 0.9 etc... I even did the french translation for KDE 1.0 :}
[17:19] <user|2996> KDE full support my language
[17:20] <Smurphy> Which one is it ?
[17:20] <Smurphy> Say thansk to the translator teams all around the globe :)
[17:21] <user|2996> Polish
[17:21] <user|2996> thx for translated
[17:21] <Smurphy> yep. That language is translated :)
[17:21] <Smurphy> :)
[17:23] <user|2996> all language in UE are translated
[17:24] <Smurphy> Yes. The KDE community is very active.
[17:24] <user|2996> KOD, KDE, community is very active, heh
[17:26] <Smurphy> yes.
[17:28] <user|2996> How install in kubuntu plasma 5.7, neo repo yes?
[17:30] <Smurphy> can't say. I didn't do it.
[17:30] <user|2996> plasma 5.7 yes in repo but no?
[17:31] <user|2996> i since years ago used chakra, but not support gtk+ apps
[17:33] <Smurphy> I hate gtk apps ...
[17:33] <Smurphy> worst thing that exists.  Plasma 5.6.5 is available in the backports ppa. Plasma 5.7.x is work in progress.
[20:01] <Trel> Cool, thanks
[20:01] <Trel> One other question, is that Netbook/tablet mode still included in plasma 5.5.5+?
[20:43] <valorie> Trel: it's just a display mode
[20:43] <valorie> it's no longer a separate thing
[21:29] <sascha_> Test.
[21:42] <valorie> sascha_: anything we can help you with?
[21:43] <sascha_> Hello. No, but thank you. :)
[21:51] <Trel> valorie: do you know offhand where it got moved to in the systems settings? It's no longer under workspace behavior for me
 Tablet/netbook is a dead project last time I head
 *heard
[21:54] <Trel> oh, darn, I finally got my hands on machine with a touch screen and small resolution to actually try it XD
[21:55] <valorie> well, everything is touch ready
[21:56] <valorie> I have a notebook with a touch screen and everything "just works"
[21:56] <valorie> the phone effort is alive and well
[21:57] <valorie> and perhaps the phone image will work on your tablet if the regular images won't
[21:57] <valorie> http://plasma-phone.org/
[21:57] <valorie> Trel: ^^^
 Is it a tablet or that laptop miz
 Mix
[23:18] <johns_> anyone know how to force NTFS driver to mount a NTFS volume read-write?
[23:19] <johns_> I have a Windows 8 system, I shut it down completely and then NTFS in Linux still complains that it cannot mount the thing.
 Sudo mount does not work?
[23:20] <johns_> no mr. ircsomebot, sudo mount does not work.
 What is the output?
[23:21] <johns_> jesus christ do I have to do this.
[23:22] <johns_> Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
[23:22] <johns_> Failed to mount '/dev/sdf2': Operation not permitted
[23:22] <johns_> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[23:22] <johns_> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[23:22] <johns_> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[23:24] <bprompt> johns_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204166/how-do-i-mount-a-hibernated-ntfs-partition
[23:29] <johns_> bprompt: thanks but that doesn't actually work. Everything I can do will still claim Windows is hibernated.
[23:30] <johns_> maybe "powercfg -h off" from Windows will fix it.
[23:30] <johns_> I don't understand why Windows will hibernate if I tell it to shut down.
[23:31] <johns_> Oh, now it worked! The sequence is to first use ntfsfix and then to use -o remove_hiberfile.
[23:31] <johns_> thanks :).
[23:31] <bprompt> johns_:    hmmm actually, the hibernation file is used to , if not using hibernation for shutdown, it's used for "fast bootup" of windows, thus how the desktop shows up so quickly
[23:32] <bprompt> john51:    but yes, you do have to turn it off with "powercfg -h off", manually, to actualy have it off, and also removing the "fast boot" bit
[23:32] <johns_> I though tthat would only happen on fast reboot
[23:33] <johns_> well I know how ti fix it now......
[23:33] <johns_> \
[23:33] <johns_> will save those endless annoying reboots.


[05:41] <burrito_> ubuntuone-client-gnome isn't in any of my menus and i can't seem to cough up the correct terminal command to run the app
[11:57] <gatox> good morning!
[12:04] <ralsina> Hola gatox
[12:04] <ralsina> Que tal las vacaciones?
[12:09] <gatox> ralsina, good!!!! lot of relax!! :D
[12:09] <gatox> ralsina, yours?
[12:11] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhhh you didn't have vacation, sorry...... how was the week alone?
[12:11] <ralsina> gatox: fun!
[12:11] <ralsina> ;-)
[12:16] <gatox> :P
[12:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:19] <ralsina> hello czajkowski!
[12:20] <czajkowski> ralsina: ello, I've a question and wondering is this normal
[12:20] <ralsina> czajkowski: shoot!
[12:20] <czajkowski> using banshee I'm re downloading my purchased music to  a new laptop
[12:20] <czajkowski> I've gone to page 2 of my music and clicked download
[12:20] <czajkowski> it puts be back to page one
[12:20] <czajkowski> every single time
[12:20] <czajkowski> kinda annoying
[12:21] <czajkowski> as it only shows 10  songs per page
[12:22] <ralsina> czajkowski: I suppose it's a bug
[12:22] <ralsina> czajkowski: ask dobey when he appears
[12:23] <czajkowski> will do thanks
[12:23] <czajkowski> I assume he;s not working today due to it being a bank holiday ?
[12:23] <ralsina> czajkowski: is it a holiday in the US?
[12:23]  * ralsina has not checked yet
[12:24]  * czajkowski is in the Uk
[12:24] <czajkowski> aye tis
[12:25] <ralsina> then tomorrow I guess :-)
[12:26] <czajkowski> grand job thanks
[12:59] <alecu> EOV :-(
[13:00] <alecu> and.... hello #ubuntuone!
[13:00] <ralsina> hello alecu
[13:00] <alecu> hola jefe!
[13:00] <ralsina> alecu: admit you missed it
[13:00] <ralsina> ;-)
[13:00] <alecu> that would be so.... masochistic
[13:00] <alecu> so: yes.
[13:01] <gatox> alecu, hi!
[13:01] <alecu> hola gatox!
[13:05] <alecu> my thunderbird is about to implode
[13:19] <alecu> boy I hate IMAP
[13:21] <ralsina> alecu, gatox: would it be a bad idea to make the bin/whatever scripts really really trivial and move all the logic into the packages? It would save about 4-8 hours in the windows release process
[13:22] <alecu> ralsina, probably it would be a good thing, since then we'd be forced to add tests whenever we add code to those scripts
[13:22] <ralsina> alecu: yes, that too
[13:22] <ralsina> I will file a bug
[13:22] <gatox> ralsina, productivity++
[13:23] <ralsina> alecu, gatox: I need reviews here -- https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/fix_904300/+merge/87073 and here https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/even_more_unique_than_the_other_snowflake/+merge/86912
[13:24] <gatox> ralsina, on it
[13:27] <gatox> ralsina, is_root has tests? (don't hit me)
[13:27] <ralsina> gatox: I don't know. Does the linux one have tests? ;-)
[13:28] <gatox> ralsina, nop
[13:28] <ralsina> gatox: and I have no idea how to test that. It will return False on every possible situation unless you run the tests as admin with elevated privileges :-)
[13:28] <gatox> ralsina, true...
[13:28] <gatox> just asking....
[13:28] <ralsina> and if I fake it, then...
[13:28] <ralsina> gatox: I know. I honestly didn't know how to test that
[13:29] <gatox> ralsina, but what you are saying make sense....
[13:29] <ralsina> gatox: I could add a test to say "we have a test" where I test a fake function that returns what I want to get ;-)
[13:35] <gatox> ralsina, about unique application....... wouldn't be better to use qsharedmemory instead of sockets?? I think it's more clean.....
[13:36] <ralsina> gatox: hmmmm could be
[13:36] <gatox> ralsina, it's really easy..... less code...... and i think it's faster
[13:36] <ralsina> gatox: local sockets is what all the implementations I found used
[13:37] <gatox> ralsina, i can show you an example with qsharedmemory if you want.......
[13:37] <gatox> ralsina, local socket i used (from my pov) if you want to send any information to the process already running
[13:37] <ralsina> gatox: in the future we may want to use it
[13:37] <gatox> if you only want to detect is another process is running... i think qsharedmemory is better
[13:38] <ralsina> gatox: for instance, to send notification/progress info to u1cp
[13:38] <gatox> ralsina, so.... not now?? i review this one just the way it is?
[13:38] <ralsina> gatox: or to make it show a specific tab. But yes, not now.
[13:38] <ralsina> gatox: but if we are later goig to do it, it makes no sense to use shared memory now
[13:38] <gatox> ralsina, in an application i use both.... qsharedmemory to check if another process is running.... and if that is the case, so open the socket to send info if it's needed
[13:39] <ralsina> gatox: that sounds weird
[13:39] <gatox> ralsina, i found several examples doing that...... (that doesn't mean that the examples were right :P)
[13:40] <ralsina> gatox: I would like to see the example with sharedmemory if you have it handy :-)
[13:40] <gatox> ralsina, yep.....
[13:40]  * gatox searching...
[13:40] <gatox> ralsina, https://github.com/ninja-ide/ninja-ide/blob/master/ninja_ide/core/ipc.py#L63
[13:42] <ralsina> gatox: missing bit using qsharedmemory: the "running" instance doesn't know the other one pinged it
[13:43] <gatox> ralsina, yes..... i use qsharedmemory to see if an instance is running.... if i need to pinged it, then i use the socket
[13:43] <ralsina> gatox: so that solution is actually more code
[13:44] <gatox> ralsina, if you want to ping the already running instance: YES..... i thought that maybe you only wanted to avoid to reopen the application....
[13:45] <ralsina> gatox: this branch also pings
[13:45] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhhhh ok..... my bad
[13:45] <ralsina> gatox: so that if you start a second instance, the first one pops
[13:46] <ralsina> have to feed to kid, bbiab
[13:46] <gatox> ralsina, there are some missing docstrings in: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/even_more_unique_than_the_other_snowflake/+merge/86912
[13:47] <ralsina> gatox: freaking pylint not working on windows and I forgetting to run it on linux
[13:47]  * gatox start the year in nessita mode
[13:47] <ralsina> gatox: and thanks ;-)
[13:47] <gatox> jejejee
[14:29] <ralsina> gatox: fixed lint problems in snowflake
[14:29] <gatox> ralsina, ok
[14:36] <ralsina> gatox, alecu: and for when you are with a bit of time (say a day or two? ;-): https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix_809873/+merge/67911
[14:38] <gatox> ralsina, added to bookmarks :P.... i'll review it after i finish with one of my branches
[14:58] <ralsina> gatox: apparently there is still a unicode bug somewhere: bug #910535 do you think it's a duplicate of some other one?
[14:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 910535 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Windows client - error in Folder view (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/910535
[14:58] <alecu> ralsina, I've taken a look at python-requests.org, and I've replied you on the u1-discuss list
[14:58] <gatox> ralsina, i'm fixing that right now
[14:59] <ralsina> alecu: cool
[14:59] <gatox> ralsina, also... i'm having some problems to test u1-coontrol-panel on windows..... not only your branch.... but trunk too.... i'm getting reactor was unclean.... so i can't run the test right now.... i'm looking what might be the reason
[14:59] <ralsina> alecu: thanks for looking at it. Too bad it won't work, the API is so cool.
[14:59] <ralsina> gatox: ack
[15:00] <ralsina> gatox: may be because of something I merged there last week, in which case I am sorry
[15:03] <ralsina> gatox: can you try running the tests in revno 247? If that works, then it's my fault
[15:03] <gatox> ralsina, ok... i'll try that
[15:05] <mandel> ralsina, hello
[15:05] <mandel> gatox, alecu, hola!
[15:05] <ralsina> hello mandel!
[15:05] <gatox> mandel, hi
[15:06] <mandel> ralsina, sorry I was late, I had to deal with taxes :(
[15:06] <ralsina> mandel: ready for a moster review to start 2012? :-D
[15:06] <mandel> ralsina, sure :)
[15:06] <mandel> ralsina, do we have a stand up?
[15:06] <ralsina> mandel: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix_809873/+merge/67911
[15:06] <ralsina> let's stand up!
[15:06] <ralsina> me
[15:06] <mandel> me
[15:07] <ralsina> gatox, alecu: standup please
[15:07] <gatox> me
[15:07] <alecu> me
[15:08] <ralsina> DONE: worked, you lazy people! fixed a bunch of bugs, cleaned up and finally proposed the windows packaging scripts branch TODO: work! maybe tech leads call, try to merge my proposed branches BLOCKED: no
[15:08] <ralsina> mandel: ?
[15:08] <mandel> DONE: Holidays, had to deal with taxes paperwork so my day starts.. now!
[15:08] <mandel> TODO: mails, ralsina reviews, proxy
[15:08] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:08] <mandel> gatox, go
[15:08] <gatox> DONE:
[15:08] <gatox> Vacations, ralsina review, added some test to u1-client branch
[15:08] <gatox> TODO:
[15:08] <gatox> Fix tests on linux, review my task queue.
[15:08] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:08] <gatox> No
[15:08] <gatox> alecu, go
[15:08] <alecu> DONE: vacations
[15:08] <alecu> TODO: catch up with email, proxy support
[15:08] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[15:08] <alecu> NEXT: none?
[15:09] <ralsina> alecu: none indeed
[15:09] <mandel> is a holiday in the USA, right?
[15:09] <ralsina> holiday in the US and UK, nessita on holiday
[15:09] <verterok> ralsina: there is a critical bug in ubuntu-sso-client (it's completely broken in Precise), I proposed a fix on friday: https://code.launchpad.net/~verterok/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-910163/+merge/87160
[15:10] <ralsina> verterok: ack, reviewing
[15:11] <ralsina> verterok: damn, I had seen this on friday, forgot to review it
[15:11] <ralsina> verterok: there you go
[15:11] <verterok> ralsina: np, I know you're relocating on friday :)
[15:12] <mandel> who is relocating?
[15:12] <ralsina> verterok: worse, by my notes I had actually reviewed it and never got to put the comment because internet didn't work
[15:12] <mandel> win?
[15:12] <ralsina> mandel: I am at the beach
[15:12] <mandel> ralsina, ah..
[15:12] <ralsina> mandel: and I changed appartments on friday
[15:12] <verterok> ralsina: heh, it happens :)
[15:13] <mandel> ups, closed the wrong window :)
[15:13] <mandel> ralsina, but you guys got my email from this morning, right?
[15:13] <ralsina> mandel: yes, got it
[15:14] <mandel> ok :)
[15:14] <mandel> ralsina, anything interesting has happened since I was on holidays, besides the icon thing?
[15:15] <ralsina> mandel: I proposed the packaging branch
[15:15] <ralsina> mandel: I fixed a few bugs
[15:15] <ralsina> mandel: the mayans recanted their 2012 profecy, said they meant 2011 and sorry about that
[15:15] <mandel> ralsina, hehe
[15:16] <mandel> ralsina, in that branch, you have a +1 from shane, what should we do about that?
[15:16] <ralsina> mandel: ignore it?
[15:16] <mandel> ralsina, so we need an extra +1, right?
[15:16] <ralsina> mandel: I would like 2
[15:16] <alecu> mandel, that +1 from shane is from 6 months ago.
[15:16] <ralsina> OTOH, consider the branch "IRL tested" since it's what's on the release ;-)
[15:16] <ralsina> mostly
[15:16] <mandel> alecu, ralsina I say an extra +1 since I'm already doing a review :)
[15:17] <ralsina> with mandel and another I would be happy
[15:17] <gatox> ralsina, 247 is working fine..... i'm going to compare the changes now and propose a branch to fix the problem
[15:18] <ralsina> gatox: I knew my change was a bit fishy
[15:23] <mandel> ralsina, why do we do this: Get the VistaLib32.dll and VistaLib64.dll and put them in dist.
[15:24] <ralsina> mandel: that's the solution for the "wizard-runs-as-admin" problem
[15:24] <ralsina> mandel: those DLLs implement a privilege de-escalation
[15:24] <mandel> ralsina, and we need both, x64 and 32?
[15:24] <ralsina> mandel: yes, the 32-bit doesn't work as admin in 64-bit systems
[15:25] <mandel> menuda mierda... ok
[15:25] <ralsina> mandel: indeed
[15:25] <mandel> ralsina, and this guy: "lp:~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/register_plus_login" ?
[15:25] <mandel> we are still using him?
[15:25] <ralsina> mandel: yes, nessita is working on the proper fix
[15:29] <mandel> ralsina, I would not use glob on windows.. but is not something I have a valid reason to complain about
[15:30] <dobey> czajkowski: yes, it's a bug, in the server.
[15:30] <ralsina> mandel: that code is yours ;-)
[15:32] <mandel> ralsina, he, I must be becoming a better programmer :)
[15:32] <ralsina> mandel: hehe
[15:33] <mandel> ralsina, since that code is just going to be used on windows, I'd use FindNextFile, what do you think?
[15:33] <ralsina> mandel: I don't quite care ;-)
[15:34] <mandel> ralsina, hm.. does that mean we are using FindNextFile? :P
[15:34] <ralsina> mandel: ok, I will do it.
[15:34] <mandel> ralsina, cool :)
[15:34] <ralsina> mandel: wait, you mean this Findnextfile? DONE: worked, you lazy people! fixed a bunch of bugs, cleaned up and finally proposed the windows packaging scripts branch TODO: work! maybe tech leads call, try to merge my proposed branches BLOCKED: no
[15:35] <ralsina> oops
[15:35] <ralsina> mandel: wait, you mean this Findnextfile? http://www.google.com.ar/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=findnextfile&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmsdn.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Flibrary%2Fwindows%2Fdesktop%2Faa364428(v%3Dvs.85).aspx&ei=i84BT_DjM8nbtgf-7Z3QBg&usg=AFQjCNG-eZr5AIhnTwM8nxgFow9m1AUReg&sig2=NQLfL3FxgoagoAzY0pWYGw
[15:35] <ralsina> argh!
[15:35] <ralsina> mandel: FindNextFile is ugly
[15:36] <mandel> ralsina, yes, but it work on windows.. which is what os.listdir does in the code of python
[15:36] <ralsina> mandel: this does work. On windows.
[15:36] <mandel> ralsina, yes, but is fragile
[15:37] <ralsina> mandel: ok, what breaks it? (just curious)
[15:37] <mandel> path ends with \
[15:37] <mandel> ralsina, ^ for example
[15:37] <mandel> ralsina, other is \\?\
[15:37] <ralsina> mandel: we are not going to have a path that ends that way. Or a literal path
[15:38] <ralsina> mandel: this is not syncdaemon (thank $DEITY)
[15:39] <mandel> ralsina, hehe
[15:39] <ralsina> mandel: it's just to copy a bunch of files from lazr. You are thinking too much ;-)
[15:39] <mandel> ralsina, ok, then I'm sure that we can use os.listdir, right?
[15:39] <ralsina> and if we ever adapt this to mac, findfile won't work
[15:39] <mandel> ralsina, I'm bac with energies :)
[15:40] <ralsina> mandel: hehe
[15:40] <mandel> ralsina, listdir is a better option the, right?
[15:40] <ralsina> yes, and this is using the wrong path separator, to boot
[15:40] <ralsina> so, doing via listdir
[15:41] <mandel> ralsina, cool, let me know whenever you are done and I'll do a second pass :)
[15:42]  * gatox lunch
[15:44] <mandel> ok, I need to reboot for updates
[15:44]  * mandel reboots
[16:24] <gatox> ralsina, ping
[16:26] <mandel> alecu, ralsina, gatox crazy question, do you have problem logging on your ubuntu p machine?
[16:27] <mandel> I can ssh with the username and password, but ligthdm ain't working for me :(
[16:27] <alecu> mandel, you've probably forgotten your password due to the hangover from the holidays!
[16:27] <gatox> alecu, mandel has gone
[16:27] <alecu> doh
[16:28] <alecu> that's what hangover is doing to me :-)
[16:28] <gatox> alecu, jejejee
[16:30] <gatox> alecu, a complicated new year?
[16:35] <gatox> ralsina, let me know when you are back please
[16:35] <gatox> alecu, do you have a minute?
[16:36] <gatox> mandel, nop... i'm not having that problem
[16:36] <mandel> gatox, dammed.. stupid Alpha testing..
[16:36] <gatox> mandel, ahhhhhhh but i'm in O
[16:36] <gatox> not P
[16:38] <mandel> gatox, now I managd to loging but unty does not longer work...
[16:38] <mandel> puto puto puto
[16:38] <gatox> jejej
[16:38] <gatox> mandel, sorry... but is good to know when i'm not the only one with problems jejeje
[16:39] <mandel> gatox, you donn't have problem, you are just?  'special' :P
[16:39] <gatox> jejejeje
[16:45] <mandel> buagh.. segmentation fault in unity..
[16:56] <gatox> mandel,  durisimo
[16:57] <mandel> Agghg stupid updates!
[17:04] <mandel> gatox, ralsina I'm off to walk the dog and try to fix my machine..
[17:04] <mandel> what a start of the year :(
[17:04] <gatox> mandel, relax
[17:05] <mandel> gatox, I'm relaxed, is just that when I have energy I sound angry :P
[17:05] <mandel> but I'm not, I'm just hungry..
[17:05] <mandel> hehehe bad joke :P
[17:05] <dobey> damn cylons
[17:06] <mandel> dobey!
[17:06] <mandel> dobey, are you running p? have problem with unity?
[17:08] <mandel> ok, I'm off trying to fix the machine
[17:08] <dobey> i have it on one laptop, and installing it on another right now
[17:09] <dobey> but i haven't noticed any problems beyond my normal issues with it, no
[17:17] <ralsina> gatox: I am back
[17:17] <ralsina> mandel: when your computer is working again, the branch is ready to re-review
[17:17] <gatox> ralsina, look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-reactor/+merge/87267
[17:18] <gatox> first..... it seems that the end of line is different :P
[17:18] <gatox> ralsina, then...... i remove the @inlineCallbacks from test_stop_sd....... does this have any sense to you? that fix the problem with the dirty reactor
[17:18] <ralsina> gatox: right, freaking EOL
[17:19] <ralsina> gatox: if it's not inlineCallbacks, you can't yield
[17:19] <ralsina> gatox: were your problems running the tests on windows or linux?
[17:19] <gatox> ralsina, yes...... that was what i thought...... but it was working without that......
[17:19] <gatox> ralsina, windows
[17:20] <ralsina> gatox: it's probably never reaching the assert
[17:20] <gatox> ralsina, i can't run the controlpanel tests on linux
[17:21] <gatox> ralsina, i approve your branch...... i ran the tests commenting that line
[17:21] <gatox> #@inlineCallbacks
[17:22] <ralsina> gatox: we should ask someone that knows more about deferreds than us
[17:22] <gatox> ralsina, uhhhh alecu is not here :(
[17:22] <ralsina> gatox: that was my first thought :-)
[17:22] <gatox> :P
[17:23] <ralsina> so, let's keep that branch on hold until he's back
[17:23] <gatox> ralsina, yep
[17:27]  * ralsina goes back to sprint planning
[17:37] <czajkowski> dobey: ah is it a known bug ?
[17:38] <dobey> czajkowski: i don't think i've seen that one filed
[17:39] <czajkowski> want me to file it
[17:39] <czajkowski> damn annoying when I've 10 pages to do :)
[17:41] <ralsina> hi dobey! Thought it was holiday over there
[17:42] <dobey> it is
[17:45] <czajkowski> dobey: where do I file a bug on lp for U1
[17:46] <dobey> czajkowski: that bug would belong in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-music-store
[17:48] <czajkowski> dobey: thanks
[17:55] <gatox> brb
[18:11] <ralsina> hahaha, nessita just gave me a needsreview from vacations!
[18:12] <gatox> ralsina, jejeje she is everywhere
[18:32] <ralsina> running u1-client tests on windows takes FOREVER
[18:36] <dobey> s/on windows//
[18:37] <ralsina> dobey: takes about 75% longer on windows here
[18:37] <ralsina> So 1.75 forevers
[18:55] <ralsina> alecu:  gatox and I have a doubt about deferreds
[18:55] <alecu> ralsina, tell me!
[18:56] <ralsina> alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-reactor/+merge/87267 (just look at the test_stop_sd function)
[18:56] <ralsina> my version (in red) breaks, but I say gatox's version (in green) makes no sense ;-)
[18:57] <gatox> alecu, only one line change...... the @inlineCallbacks for stop_sd was removed
[18:57] <gatox> i don't say that my version makes sense either :P..... i just don't know why that fix.... or seems to fix the error
[18:58] <alecu> gatox, ralsina: removing the inlineCallbacks is wrong
[18:59] <alecu> gatox, it allows the test to pass, because the function suddenly looks like a generator to the test runner
[18:59] <gatox> alecu, do you know why the code with the @inlineCallbacks can be generating a dirty reactor?
[18:59] <gatox> ahhhh
[18:59] <alecu> gatox, and so it's not *fully* executed.
[18:59] <alecu> gatox, I'm not sure why it's generating a dirty reactor, looking.
[18:59] <ralsina> maybe something is broken in stop()
[19:00] <alecu> ralsina, right.
[19:00] <alecu> gatox, a dirty reactor usually means that something was added to the reactor by some of the code, and it was not removed before the test ends
[19:01] <alecu> usually it's a "reactor.callLater" that's not reached nor removed. Or a tcp connection that's started but not finished.
[19:04] <alecu> gatox, ralsina: does that^ make sense?
[19:04] <ralsina> alecu: maybe, but I don't know what it could be
[19:05] <ralsina> alecu: the problem was introduced by this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-control-panel/trunk/revision/248
[19:09] <ralsina> gatox: the first docstring is wrongin https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/default-agree/+merge/87282
[19:13] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhhh probably :P
[19:14] <gatox> ralsina, you didn't give me the time to add the pritty pictures!
[19:14] <gatox> ralsina, i'm doing that
[19:14] <gatox> ralsina, pictures added....... fixing docstring....
[19:14] <ralsina> hahaha
[19:15] <ralsina> +1 on pretty pictures
[19:15] <gatox> :P
[19:15] <gatox> s/pritty/pretty........ pritty is the drink :P
[19:18] <ralsina> gatox: nice, but the bug description doesn't match what the branch does
[19:19] <gatox> ralsina, true..... should i close that issue as "fix commited" or something and create a new one for this?
[19:19] <gatox> ralsina, i take that one to fix license buttons
[19:20] <ralsina> gatox: yes please, for a cleaner changelog
[19:20] <gatox> ok.... removing the bug
[19:20] <ralsina> gatox: sorry about the extra work
[19:20] <alecu> ralsina, gatox: I'm also getting "twisted.internet.error.ReactorNotRestartable".... weird.
[19:20] <alecu> in the fix-reactor branch
[19:20] <ralsina> alecu: that may be because stop() is calling reactor.stop()?
[19:21] <gatox> alecu, ralsina jeejje that happens to let me test the branch.... i'm the king of the bugs and corner cases!
[19:21] <ralsina> That's what happens when the manager codes. The devs suffer.
[19:21] <alecu> ralsina, looks like it, but I can't find the piece of code that does that.
[19:22] <alecu> damn. there it is. I was looking at the branch diff
[19:23] <ralsina> alecu: right, two lines lower than the diff
[19:24] <alecu> ralsina, ok. Then we should be faking the reactor.stop in the tests
[19:25] <alecu> gatox, ralsina: we can't use reactor.stop inside tests, because the reactor is used by trial too
[19:25] <gatox> ahhhhhhh
[19:25] <ralsina> alecu: right,so we need to patch it
[19:25]  * alecu will be back in 5 minutes
[19:25] <gatox> ralsina, updated: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/default-agree/+merge/87282
[19:26] <ralsina> gatox: on it!
[19:27] <gatox> ralsina, do you want me to add the patch for that and update the already proposed branch?
[19:27] <ralsina> gatox: please
[19:27] <gatox> ralsina, on it
[19:28] <alecu> back
[19:28] <ralsina> gatox: thanks
[19:30] <alecu> ralsina, gatox: it seems that just patching "reactor.stop" with a no-op makes the test pass
[19:31] <gatox> alecu, cool
[19:33] <afeijo> hi guys, I have u1 installed here in my ubuntu 11.04 but I cant find the icon to open it. Can I open the app thru alt+f2 ?
[19:34] <beuno> afeijo, sure
[19:34] <beuno> it should be ubuntuone-client
[19:35] <afeijo> beuno, that does not exists, but I found it under ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk, thanks
[19:36] <afeijo> karni, hey! How are you? I sold my old phone the one that had this nasty date bug, remember? now I've got a great Atrix :D
[19:36] <beuno> ah, right, it changed  :)
[19:37] <karni> afeijo: coolio :) hi there, I'm good. How are you :)
[19:37] <afeijo> weird, it is loading but does not finish it
[19:37] <afeijo> karni, I'm good, spent the christmas and new year at home with family, I have 2 small girls, it was fun :)
[19:37] <afeijo> and you?
[19:38] <karni> afeijo: I spent Christmas with my family in my hometown, it was nice. Sadly, we had to say goodbyes to our 16 year old dog. I came back to Warsaw just before new year to spend some that evening with friends.
[19:39] <gatox> ralsina, alecu review: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-reactor/+merge/87267
[19:39] <karni> afeijo: Happy 2012 :)
[19:39] <afeijo> karni, sorry about the dog, but 16 years is a lot !
[19:40] <karni> afeijo: yes, she had a good life. it aws time for her to go, she was a great dog.
[19:41] <afeijo> karni, what race?
[19:42] <afeijo> ops, I dont think I translated it right
[19:42] <karni> afeijo: gordon seter
[19:42] <karni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Setter
[19:42] <afeijo> builtiful one
[19:43] <afeijo> once I had a big dog too, one of the bigest kind, Pirineus, do you know that one?
[19:44] <afeijo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyrenees
[19:45] <karni> afeijo: It looks fantastic :)! I'll have to excuse you and focus back on work for a little longer :)
[19:45] <afeijo> same here! c'ya karni
[19:45] <karni> afeijo: Nice to hear from you :)
[19:46] <beuno> ralsina, are you running precise?
[19:47] <gatox> alecu, when you have a moment, please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/fix-links/+merge/86605
[19:52] <ralsina> beuno: sometimes. Have a VM though!
[19:53] <beuno> ralsina, u1sdtools complains about gtp and pixmap
[19:54] <ralsina> beuno: checking in 5'
[19:54] <beuno> ralsina, no rush, just wanted to make sure we didn't ship P with this  :)
[19:55] <ralsina> beuno: hahaha
[19:56] <dobey> beuno: it's known. and i have no idea why it does that when DISPLAY isn't set
[19:56] <beuno> cool
[19:56] <beuno> also
[19:56] <beuno> bug #907631
[19:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 907631 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in got_public_files_cb() (affects: 12) (dups: 7) (heat: 100)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907631
[19:56] <beuno> I get that a bazillion times a day
[19:57] <beuno> can't really use nautilus for any U1-watched folder
[19:59] <dobey> yeah it will be fixed tomorrow
[19:59] <beuno> yay
[19:59] <beuno> thanks dobey
[20:02] <dobey> sure
[20:05] <ralsina> gatox: +1 on fix-reactor
[20:05] <gatox> ralsina, :D
[20:05] <gatox> trivial? or should i look for a second review?
[20:07] <gatox> ralsina, ^
[20:07] <ralsina> I say get another +1
[20:07] <gatox> ralsina, ok
[20:07] <gatox> alecu, need your review :P
[20:13]  * alecu reviews
[20:18] <alecu> gatox, why is run-tests.bat showing up as different? meld says it's the same file. Probably you've changed some line endings???
[20:18] <gatox> alecu, yes..... i think the previous version contain some platform dependent eol or something
[20:18] <ralsina> alecu: yes, that's EOLs
[20:19] <alecu> gatox: there are no changes in that file other than the EOLs, so perhaps you can revert that change?
[20:19] <gatox> alecu, which file?
[20:19] <alecu> gatox, also: I've found many prints in u1/platform/tools/linux.py
[20:20] <gatox> alecu, sorry..... which branch are you reviewing?
[20:20] <alecu> gatox, review_fix-links ?
[20:20] <alecu> https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/fix-links/+merge/86605
[20:20] <gatox> alecu, ahhhhhh ok, i thought you were with fix-reactor
[20:20] <ralsina> gatox: remember that run-tests.bat needs to have windows EOLs
[20:21] <alecu> ah, doh!
[20:21] <alecu> gatox, I saw that link on the backlog
[20:21] <gatox> i'll revert that now
[20:22] <gatox> alecu, also i didn't submit the updates for that branch
[20:22] <ralsina> alecu, gatox, dobey: I kinda sorta have a buildout thing working (at least on windows) for our whole stack. Would that be interesting, or should I keep it for myself? ;-)
[20:22] <gatox> alecu, this was the other one: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-reactor/+merge/87267
[20:23] <alecu> ralsina, I think a buildout thingy running on windows is a great thing
[20:23]  * ralsina hopes that, with buildout + virtualenv, setting up a windows dev env is going to be long but hands-free
[20:23] <alecu> ralsina, it should help a lot for people to review our stuff, or for us too to run it on clean vms
[20:23] <ralsina> alecu: that was the idea. Needs lots of work still but I may have it done this week
[20:24] <alecu> one has to love having a free hand to scratch at stuff
[20:24] <ralsina> alecu: :-)
[20:25] <alecu> gatox, so, my review for the fix-links branch is just the two things above (EOLs and prints)
[20:25] <alecu> gatox, I'm on the fix-reactor one now
[20:26] <gatox> alecu, yes, i've removed that right now
[20:26] <gatox> i'm submitting the changes
[20:30] <ralsina> gotta go for a bit
[20:30] <alecu> gatox, approved the fix-reactor branch
[20:39] <gatox> great :D
[21:03] <ralsina> Llegó mi vieja, EOD for me :-)
[21:04] <beuno> puf, re estricta!
[21:05] <gatox> eod for me!


[08:04] <brainwash> ochosi: should bug 1767560 be moved to the elementary-xfce issue tracker?
[08:05] <brainwash> or to the elementary project?
[08:05] <brainwash> maybe it does not need fixing after all
[09:58] <Unit193> thunar 1.8.2-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac) (Closes: #856598, #910353)
[09:58] <Unit193> xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.3.0-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[10:07] <Unit193> thunar-volman 0.9.0-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac) (Closes: #899710)
[10:07] <Unit193> exo 0.12.2-2 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[10:46] <brainwash> bluesabre: is your busy week over?
[10:46] <brainwash> I'm still looking for someone to test https://launchpadlibrarian.net/388564839/xfsm-systemd.c.patch
[10:46] <bluesabre> brainwash: the last day is tomorrow, but what's up?
[10:46] <bluesabre> ah
[10:47] <brainwash> yeah. that screen locking stuff again.
[10:50] <bluesabre> brainwash: so what does this patch do?
[10:50] <brainwash> g_spawn_command_line_async -> g_spawn_command_line_sync
[10:51] <brainwash> wait until xflock4 exists, then suspend the system
[10:51] <brainwash> exits
[10:51] <brainwash> that should ensure that the screen is locked before suspend
[10:53] <brainwash> https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon-session/blob/master/cinnamon-session/csm-manager.c#L1167
[10:53] <brainwash> like this I guess
[10:56] <bluesabre> brainwash: that makes a lot of sense
[10:57] <brainwash> oddly, the patch breaks initiating suspend for me
[10:57] <brainwash> that's why I asked you to test it
[10:59] <brainwash> async may be required in case xflock4 does not exit immediately, so can't go full sync
[10:59] <brainwash> some locker commands wait until the user has unlocked the screen
[11:01] <bluesabre> Sounds odd
[11:20] <Unit193> (More Xfce uploads too.)
[13:03] <ochosi> brainwash: commented on the report, it's definitely not xfpm
[13:26] <brainwash> thanks ochosi
[13:53] <ochosi> np
[13:53] <ochosi> i actually understand the sentiment of the reporter
[13:53] <ochosi> but that's the price of relying on upower...