[13:52] <knome>  /wc
[13:52] <knome> err
[15:55]  * ara waves
[15:55]  * skaet waves back at ara
[15:55] <marjo> hi ara!
[15:56] <marjo> hi skaet; welcome back
[15:56] <skaet> hi marjo.  thank you.
[15:57]  * pgraner o/
[15:57]  * joshuahoover waves
[15:57] <ogra> mooo
[15:57]  * joshuahoover is a bit distracted between meetings today, but will do his best to report (if not pay complete attention prior...sorry!) :)
[15:58] <pitti> o/
[15:58] <skaet> joshuahoover, no worries,  understand.  :)
[15:59]  * skaet waves at pgraner, ogra, pitti.   happy to see quorum gathering...
[15:59] <skaet> thinking this may start nicely on time today...
[16:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is skaet.
[16:00] <skaet> [Topic] Natty overview - skaet
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty overview - skaet
[16:00] <skaet> A big THANK YOU to everyone for getting Alpha 2 out the door this week!!   Lots of bugs were found and closed!
[16:00] <skaet> Also,  lots of lovely new bugs were identified nice and early in our overall release cycle, so we can work on them over next couple of months.  :)
[16:01] <skaet> I haven't incorporated the new one into the agenda, yet, but will finish the editing up later today, and put status out with the minutes.   Agenda/minutes will be in usual place
[16:01] <skaet> This week, would appreciate any status updates on the ones still open from last week (and closed), and the ones added in the alpha 2 release notes (esp. some of the critical ones)
[16:02] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.    If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[16:02] <skaet> any questions?
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:03] <skaet> [Topic] Update on action items?
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update on action items?
[16:03] <skaet> I've not made much progress on mine this week,  anyone else have updates?
[16:03] <skaet> ..
[16:04] <zul> hi
[16:04] <skaet> hi zul,  any updates?  or just letting us know you're around?
[16:04] <zul> nope no updates sorry
[16:04] <skaet> no worries.
[16:05] <skaet> ok, on to the round table then....
[16:05] <skaet> [Topic] QA team update - marjo
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[16:05] <marjo> hi folks
[16:05] <marjo> lots to report today
[16:05] <marjo>  * Natty Alpha 2 Work Items
[16:05] <marjo>  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:05] <marjo>  All work items completed, except for:
[16:05] <marjo>  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa
[16:05] <marjo>  [hggdh2] Consolidate UEC test results in email(?) for QA dashboard: POSTPONED
[16:05] <marjo> [hggdh2] Automate user creation on the UEC tests (depends on euca-add-user/other): POSTPONED
[16:05] <marjo>  Postponement due to a non-functional euca stack. Therefore, unable to run tests.
[16:06] <marjo> hggdh2 aka hggdh
[16:07] <marjo> * Natty Alpha 2 ISO Testing Results
[16:07] <marjo>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/NattyAlpha2TestReport
[16:07] <marjo> == Summary ==
[16:07] <marjo> [16:07] <marjo>  * From Feb. 2nd at 20:34UTC to Feb. 4th at 01:12UTC, 42 contributors have executed a total of 312 test cases.
[16:07] <marjo>  * Image Coverage: 100% (52/52)
[16:07] <marjo>  * Mandatory Testcase Coverage: 94.92% (168/177)
[16:07] <marjo>  * Optional Testcase Coverage: 55.00% (22/40)
[16:07] <marjo> [16:07] <marjo>  * 38 Test Failures
[16:07] <marjo>  * Failure Rate: 20.00% (38/190)
[16:07] <marjo> == Bugs summary ==
[16:07] <marjo> [16:07] <marjo> 80 bugs unfixed
[16:07] <marjo>  *  2 Critical
[16:07] <marjo>  * 28 High
[16:07] <marjo>  *  7 Medium
[16:07] <marjo>  *  6 Low
[16:07] <marjo>  * 37 Undecided
[16:07] <marjo> [16:07] <marjo> 8 bugs fixed
[16:07] <marjo>  * 4 High
[16:07] <marjo>  * 1 Medium
[16:07] <marjo>  * 3 Undecided
[16:07] <marjo> any questions on alpha2 before i move on?
[16:08]  * skaet looking
[16:08] <marjo>  * weekly testing status:
[16:08] <marjo>  QA Dashboard
[16:08] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:08] <marjo> Note linux and ubiquity in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics.
[16:08] <skaet> heh,  indeed.
[16:09] <marjo> skaet: i was surprised to see unity did NOT show up, so may have to adjust timing, let's see
[16:10]  * skaet agrees
[16:10] <marjo>  Desktop Automated Testing results
[16:10] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:10] <marjo> Note: 302 test cases in 2D mode and 244 in Unity mode
[16:10] <marjo> List of bugs found is at the bottom of page.
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:10] <marjo>  Server Automated Testing results
[16:10] <marjo>  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/view/ISO-server-Natty/?
[16:10] <marjo>  3 failures under investigation by hggdh.
[16:10] <marjo> ..
[16:11] <marjo> thanks to all the testers for Alpha2 ISO testing; great job on being very responsive!
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks marjo,   and a big thank you to the team and the folks in the wider community for pulling off all that test coverage for alpha 2!
[16:11] <marjo> that's it from me, skaet; thx
[16:11] <ara> yes, it is an awesome coverage for an Alpha!
[16:12] <skaet> any questions?
[16:12] <marjo> ara: thx for the kind words!
[16:12] <skaet> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - ara
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara
[16:12] <ara> o/
[16:12] <ara> Hello! :)
[16:12] <ara> We are so happy with these week's weekly testing, as we managed to test many more systems than on previous weeks and our processes are getting better.
[16:12] <ara> The report can be found in the usual place:
[16:12] <ara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current
[16:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current
[16:13] <ara> Some issues to point out:
[16:13] <ara> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/705078
[16:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/705078
[16:13] <ara> We found a similar bug a couple of weeks ago and escalated the bug to Bryce. He has managed to reproduce the one I linked and he fixed it yesterday.
[16:13] <ara> He believes the one we found is the same issue, so we will be retesting one of the affected systems to verify that the fix is valid.
[16:13] <ara> We will follow up the bug with our verification testing
[16:14] <ara> skaet, that's the one I told you to include in the release notes
[16:14] <ara> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/711830
[16:14] <ara> We got an error while installing grub in one of the systems and cjwatson believes it is triggered because of the way we setup or testing. So, cjwatson, let us know if you need any other information on this one.
[16:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/711830
[16:14] <ara> I would like also to thank mlegris for your great work on the weekly testing this week.
[16:14] <ara> ..
[16:14] <skaet> Thanks for the update on that bug, its in the release notes.    Be good if its fixed.   Also, nice to see more systems coming online into the testing.
[16:14] <skaet> thanks ara, mlegris!
[16:15] <mlegris> :)
[16:15] <skaet> any questions for ara?
[16:15] <cjwatson> ara: I don't think it's your *fault*, I was just explaining that I thought it was likely mostly confined to cert-type setups
[16:15] <cjwatson> but it shouldn't be too hard to work around
[16:15] <ara> cjwatson, yes, I understood what you meant :)
[16:15] <ara> cjwatson, thanks
[16:16]  * skaet looks around... anyone else?
[16:16] <skaet> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:17] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:17] <skaet> :)
[16:17] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:17] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:18] <jdstrand> Not a lot to report. This last week we have been very busy focusing on stable release updates and have also been fixing security issues in natty. We have no milestoned features or bugs for alpha-3.
[16:19] <jdstrand> ..
[16:19] <jdstrand> notice a pattern here?
[16:19] <jdstrand> :)
[16:19] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.  yup, have noticed the pattern.  :)
[16:20] <skaet> and congratulations on your new role.  :)
[16:20] <jdstrand> we get to devel work as we can...
[16:20] <cjwatson> is it worth making jdstrand show up to say the same thing every week? ;-)
[16:20] <jdstrand> thanks! :)
[16:20] <jdstrand> I occasionally have something different to say
[16:20] <skaet> lol
[16:20] <jdstrand> notice this week I said 'alpha-3' ;)
[16:20] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:21]  * skaet makes note to go look at the overall features, and see what will hit at the end.  ;)
[16:21] <skaet> [Topic] Kernel team update - pgraner
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - pgraner
[16:22] <pgraner> Hi everybody, I'm sitting in for apw today while he is on holiday... so here it goes:
[16:22] <pgraner> == 2011-02-04 (release) ==
[16:22] <pgraner> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:22] <pgraner> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:22] <pgraner> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:22] <pgraner> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:22] <pgraner> We have hit the end of natty-alpha-2.  Three items were pushed out all of which are detailed on the main status page (first link above); the first a longer term upstream development task for ecryptfs, the second involves converting casper to use zdram, the last a minor documentation only task.  None are release critical.  Overall burndown we are still below the line, so we are looking good overall.
[16:22] <pgraner> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:
[16:22] <pgraner> #344878 ecryptfs long filename are not likely to make natty-alpha-2 and moves out, we will need to make a decision on disabling this shortly;
[16:22] <pgraner> #539467 SATA alpm is now disabled in userspace, upstream discussions are ongoing;
[16:22] <pgraner> #542660, #600453, and #681877 (all black screen issues) are in various stages of testing, results are a mixed bag;
[16:22] <pgraner> #630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware;
[16:22] <pgraner> #636091 still waits testing by the reporter; and
[16:22] <pgraner> #702090 looks to be an interaction with vesafb and is with upstream.
[16:22] <pgraner> The other bugs seem to be non-kernel packages, status is recorded on our status page where available (first link above).
[16:22] <pgraner> natty-alpha-2 shipped with the a v2.6.32-rc2 based distro kernel; v2.6.38-rc3 did not release in time.  Reports so far are encouraging.  v2.6.38-rc3 has now released and we are uploading a kernel based on it today.
[16:22] <pgraner> ..
[16:22] <cjwatson> zdram> is that the latest in the compcache, ramzswap, etc. series?
[16:23] <ogra> v2.6.32-rc2 ?
[16:23] <ogra> geez
[16:23] <ogra> we went back in time !
[16:23] <ogra> :)
[16:23] <pgraner> ogra, sorry type
[16:23] <pgraner> typo should read 3.6.38.rc2
[16:23] <cjwatson> ecryptfs> disabling which bit exactly?
[16:23] <ogra> lol
[16:24] <apw_> cjwatson: yes compcache rrplacement
[16:24] <apw_> cjwatson: filename encryption
[16:24] <jdstrand> apw_: disabled via pam?
[16:25] <cjwatson> will that affect upgrades?
[16:25] <jdstrand> aiui, there isn't a good way to disable it
[16:25] <jdstrand> err
[16:25] <jdstrand> s/good/easy/
[16:25] <jdstrand> upgrades are *rough* unless you just keep it on for upgrders
[16:25] <apw_> it would be for new installs only i understand
[16:25] <cjwatson> because if there are existing systems with filename encryption, we need to support them being upgraded
[16:25] <cjwatson> right
[16:25] <jdstrand> with new users not getting it
[16:25] <apw_> right
[16:25] <jdstrand> cool
[16:26] <jdstrand> it would be really nice if that was more toggleable
[16:26] <pitti> OOI, why are encrypted file names being deprecated?
[16:26] <jdstrand> (see, I said something different! :P)
[16:26] <pitti> (if we still need to support them anyway?)
[16:26] <apw_> not deprecated,justnot working well with lony names
[16:26] <apw_> which affects some common apps
[16:27] <pitti> ok, so it's this bug mainly, not other reasons
[16:27] <pitti> thanks
[16:27] <apw_> bri
[16:27] <apw_> pitti: ack
[16:27] <skaet> pgraner, apw_,  thanks for the update on features,  any concerns about the tasks scheduled for A3, given the current bug load?
[16:27] <apw_> not currently
[16:27] <pgraner> skaet, nope looking good
[16:27] <pgraner> ..
[16:27] <jdstrand> apw_: so, are you saying that the work to fix it will stop, or we will need to disable since it isn't working for the foreseeable future?
[16:28] <jdstrand> (ie in the short term)
[16:28] <apw_> no just  saying will need to decide before a3
[16:28]  * jdstrand nods
[16:28] <jdstrand> that is a pretty hard bug aiui
[16:29]  * jdstrand is done commenting
[16:29] <skaet> thanks pgraner,  apw_
[16:29] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:29] <skaet> [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:30] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:30] <cjwatson> Staying far enough below the trend line that I'm happy for now.
[16:30] <cjwatson> Interesting progress this week:
[16:30] <cjwatson>  - Python 2.7 archive analysis and fixes; main should be fully installable with Python 2.7 now.
[16:30] <cjwatson>  - Working on an alternative approach (somewhat isohybrid-style) to address bug 645818 and friends.  If that fails we have an ugly fallback approach of embedding an old copy of syslinux in usb-creator ...
[16:30] <cjwatson>  - Voyage of discovery on the notorious "orphaned inodes on shutdown" bug 672177.
[16:30] <cjwatson>  - btrfs installations now automatically create subvolumes so that we can do neat tricks like rolling back upgrades in future; unfortunately this ran into some GRUB bugs in Alpha 2 (bug 712029) but should be fi
[16:30] <cjwatson> xed soon.
[16:30] <cjwatson> Other than that not a lot to say.  Alpha 2 certainly threw up some interesting bugs, though the volume doesn't seem out of control.
[16:30] <cjwatson> Bug updates: I haven't had a lot of time to go through the Alpha 2 release notes and try to pick things apart by team.
[16:30] <cjwatson> As mentioned above, bug 712029 is in progress.  Our worst bug was definitely bug 710582, which seems to be a webkit problem that's been forwarded upstream; if all else fails we *could* apply the workaround from comment 14 in ubiquity, though would prefer not.
[16:30] <cjwatson> ..
[16:31] <skaet> thanks cjwatson,  you covered the ones I was curious about.
[16:31] <skaet> 710582 sucks.
[16:31] <skaet> any questions?
[16:32] <cjwatson> the overcommit_memory workaround is at least not horribly intrusive
[16:32] <cjwatson> though I'm not quite sure what effect that would have on the stability of the live CD, which is why I'm a bit reluctant
[16:32] <skaet> true.
[16:32] <cjwatson> oh, we need to spend some quality time with Wubi.  Again.  Argh.
[16:33] <skaet> different flavors had different workarounds....
[16:33]  * skaet forgot to bring up Wubi, but is glad its on cjwatson's radar.  ;)
[16:33] <skaet> ok moving on then...
[16:34] <skaet> [Topic] Server team update - zul
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - zul
[16:34] <zul> hi
[16:34] <zul> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:34] <zul> Alpha 2 was released yesterday, the ISO testing looked pretty good but there was some problems with Eucalyptus when testing it that prevented instances being run. This is due to a newer powernap and problems with DHCPD. New items in the last week include the new openstack release. The burn down chart looks pretty good (96% complete), work items that are not complete have been deffered to Alpha 3. New natty release
[16:34] <zul>  bugs opened this week are the following:
[16:34] <zul>  * Bug:711587 - powernap and Eucalyptus seem unable to reach an understanding
[16:34] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:34] <zul>  * Bug:711590 - Eucalyptus depends on /usr/sbin/dhcpd3, not installed
[16:34] <zul>  * Bug:711730 - package mysql-client-5.1 5.1.49-1ubuntu9 failed to install/upgrade:
[16:34] <zul>                 trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/perror', which is also in package mysql-server-5.1 			5.1.49-1ubuntu9
[16:34] <zul>  * Bug:517300 -	[armel] likewise-open needs porting to ARM
[16:34] <zul>  * Bug:580319 -	dhcp3-server launches before upstart brings all interface, thus failing to start
[16:34] <zul>  * Bug:712145 	ubuntu-server JEOS ISO install uses 519M of storage
[16:34] <zul> Work will be divied up today.
[16:34] <zul> ...
[16:34] <zul> 712145 is a bit curious for me though
[16:35] <cjwatson> oh?
[16:35] <zul> and 517300 we are probably going to get the ubuntu arm team to help with
[16:35] <ogra> i thought that was only waiting for upstream acceptance
[16:35] <zul> cjwatson: im not sure if that is really a bug or not its more of a question
[16:35] <ogra> (and i was told -desktop is responsible for likewise now)
[16:36] <skaet> re: 712145 - because it says 500M and it exceeds?
[16:36] <cjwatson> zul: seems worth investigating at least
[16:36] <ogra> did that change back ?
[16:36] <cjwatson> it may point to a real bug
[16:36] <zul> ogra: yeah it kind of got thrown back at us
[16:36] <ogra> evil
[16:36] <ogra> poor man
[16:36] <cjwatson> e.g. if tasksel/skip-tasks had stopped working or something
[16:36] <zul> cjwatson: agreed
[16:36] <zul> ogra: yeah fun
[16:37] <skaet> thanks zul.
[16:37] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:37] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop team update - pitti
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti
[16:37] <pitti> Blueprint implementation:
[16:37] <pitti> - On track for entire cycle
[16:37] <pitti> - Had three remaining WIs for alpha-2, moved to alpha-3
[16:37] <pitti> - We have a lot of a3 tasks, with the possibility to cut a few "nice to have" ones; but a lot of them are must-have unity integration
[16:37] <pitti> General status:
[16:37] <pitti> - Landed first version of new Unity places and apps; horribly unstable right now, though
[16:37] <pitti> - Current compiz has a lot of problems with invisible windows and sometimes painting menus underneath windows; major bugs have been identified and release-noted for Alpha-2.
[16:37] <pitti> RC bug status:
[16:37] <pitti> - alpha-2 testing brought up quite a lot of new ones; most desktop-ish ones were in compiz/unity and are handled by DX; the UbuntuOne crash (bug 708018) is already fixed upstream
[16:37] <pitti> - the ones which are handled by our team are tracked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus (easier to read than doing huge paste here)
[16:37] <pitti> and, just incoming right now
[16:38] <pitti> the new pygobject snapshot causes a lot of pygtk apps to crash now
[16:38] <pitti> it's because pygobject fixes a long-standing memory leak fix which now uncovers a lot of bugs in pygtk/gtk
[16:38] <seb128> the ubuntuone issue has been released in natty today
[16:38] <seb128> the fix for it rather
[16:38] <pitti> so before applying the workaround (i. e. roll back the memleak fix), I'd rather spend some more time debugging the real bug
[16:39]  * skaet nods
[16:39] <pitti> I use bug 713115 as a reference for now
[16:39] <pitti> ..
[16:39] <skaet> thanks pitti
[16:40] <skaet> are there going to be any dependencies between dx and you that might impact some of the A3 work items?
[16:40] <pitti> this is mainly an upstream->downstream flow now
[16:40] <pitti> I'm not aware of anythign that the DX team needs us to do to unblock them, but didrocks or kenvandine might know better
[16:41] <skaet> ok,  thanks!
[16:41] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:41] <skaet> [Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:42] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:42] <joshuahoover> details on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above
[16:42] <joshuahoover> 3 items at risk that may need feature freezes:
[16:42] <joshuahoover> 1) shotwell integration has started but we don't have a lot of experience with vala and we lost at least a week of dev time due to mandel's broken arm...i'll see where we're at mid next week and then may need to file a feature freeze exception
[16:42] <joshuahoover> 2) syncdaemon resumable uploads was blocked last week and this week we were working on getting past the problem of resuming compression...we still don't have that landed so unless we get that in early next week, i'm likely going to have to file a freeze exception for resumable uploads and/or the "magic uploads" feature that is held up by resumable uploads
[16:42] <joshuahoover> 3) unity integration continues...we're using the APIs for the launcher item to show sync progress and indicate issues...these APIs aren't completely implemented so we can't fully test (yet)
[16:43] <joshuahoover> we still have time, but giving a "heads up" based on where we're at today
[16:43] <joshuahoover> today we're landing a branch to finish up the work on the control panel that allows users to select if they want to sync a share on their computer...this will complete the features for the control panel
[16:43] <joshuahoover> the rest of our work for this cycle consists of bug fixes that shouldn't impact feature freeze, but i need to make sure there aren't any ui related bugs there that would impact the ui/doc/translation freeze
[16:43] <joshuahoover> and that's about it
[16:43] <joshuahoover> ..
[16:44] <skaet> thank you  for the head's up on the problem areas.
[16:44] <skaet> any questions?
[16:45] <skaet> thanks joshuahoover
[16:45] <skaet> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:45]  * skaet looks and sees Riddell is marked away,  is ScottK around?
[16:46] <skaet> ok, moving on then...
[16:46] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:46] <dbarth_> hiya
[16:46] <dbarth_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:47] <dbarth_> not much to say for this week, as it was not a release week for us
[16:47] <dbarth_> everything had landed on the a2 freeze last thursday
[16:47] <dbarth_> still
[16:47] <dbarth_> Development continued at a quick on the places
[16:47] <dbarth_> The launcher gained support for progress indicators and msg count
[16:47] <dbarth_> More compiz bugs fixes
[16:47] <dbarth_> A lot of issues triggered by the latest X upload
[16:47] <dbarth_> at the foundations level: API docs and appmenu work are the highlights
[16:48] <dbarth_> and at the QA level, we're on the second week of the bug pilot program, and still on a slow start there; measures have been taken...
[16:48] <dbarth_> and we do have a new GL-capable machine online to run the whole of our test suites now
[16:49] <dbarth_> on the bug front, no real fix-released ones
[16:49] <marjo> dbarth: nice!
[16:49] <dbarth_> but desrt has fixed the dconf crasher in compiz
[16:49] <dbarth_> and we're getting a superb FF extension for appmenu from chrisccoulson in his ppa
[16:50] <dbarth_> ...
[16:50] <skaet> thanks dbarth_! any concerns about the A3 tasks, given the current bug load?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> dbarth_, and for tbird later ;)
[16:50] <dbarth_> skaet: i've worked on planning the remaining tasks with njpatel and rick
[16:50] <marjo> dbarth: will you be publishing the test results from your GL-capable machine?
[16:51] <dbarth_> we're still confident we can deliver the rest of a11y, the places and all of appmenus fixes required
[16:52] <skaet> dbarth_, good to hear :)
[16:52] <dbarth_> marjo: that's the plan
[16:52] <marjo> dbarth: thx! looking forward to it
[16:52] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:53] <skaet> [Topic] ARM team update - ogra
[16:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[16:53] <ogra> yay, thats me !!!
[16:53] <skaet> :)
[16:53] <ogra> Status is at:
[16:53] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:53] <ogra> ..
[16:53] <ogra> Summary:
[16:53] <ogra>  * 705689 is still blocking unity-2d inclusion on ARM, janimo and NCommander are working on it,
[16:53] <ogra>    we are waiting for a full QT build of NCommander to be finished today to exclude possible gcc 4.5 issues.
[16:53] <ogra>    After it was made clear it is no toolchain issue we will involve QT upstream.
[16:53] <ogra>  * Kernel is still 2.6.35 for OMAP 4. TI works hand in hand with linaro now to provide us a working 2.6.38 tree.
[16:53] <ogra>    The work will be basically a rewrite of the .35 functionatilites, now targeting upstream development,
[16:53] <ogra>    but sadly with a high feature regression potential for our time frame (.35 had about 2000 TI patches which will not all be forward
[16:53] <ogra>    ported and partially be rewritten from scratch)
[16:53] <ogra>  * Alpha 2 went out smoothly for ARMel
[16:54] <ogra>  * WI work is still well going forward, decision about specs to drop will be made through next week,
[16:54] <ogra>    the team tries to get down to a maximum of 10 WIs per person, since there are additional sidetracking issues (TI kernel, QT bug)
[16:54] <ogra>  * QA reports currently no open SRUs to test
[16:54] <ogra>  * Work for the minimal developer arm images on debian-cd is about to start
[16:54] <ogra> ..
[16:54] <ogra> Specs:
[16:54] <ogra> Entire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[16:54] <ogra> Milestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-3.html
[16:54] <ogra> ..
[16:54] <ogra> Serious Bugs:
[16:54] <ogra> bug 705689
[16:57] <skaet> ..?
[16:57] <ogra> ..
[16:57] <ogra> :)
[16:57] <ogra> sorry
[16:57] <skaet> heh.   thanks ogra!
[16:57] <skaet> happy to see ARMel in Alpha 2.  :)  re: 2.6.35 -> 2.6.38 and 2000 TI patches to shift,  urk.
[16:57] <ogra> yeah
[16:58] <ogra> really scary and unexpected
[16:58] <skaet> let us know next week, if there will be adjustments to the A3 tasks (am expecting there probably will be)
[16:58] <skaet> any questions?
[16:58] <ogra> (not the shift but the sudden decision to upstream them first)
[16:58]  * skaet nods
[16:58] <ogra> yup, we plan to have sorted the tracker by next week
[16:59] <skaet> :)
[16:59] <skaet> [Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[16:59] <ScottK> Hello.
[16:59] <skaet> :)
[17:00] <ScottK> I'm concerned about the idea of removing Python 2.6.
[17:00] <ScottK> Other than that, the situation is pretty much as it's been.
[17:00] <ScottK> I'd like to see the analysis done on Main done on Universe/Multiverse before we even consider removing Python 2.6 in Natty.
[17:01] <ScottK> The prime driver for removing it in this cycle seems to be CD space, but all the images currently fit, so I'd prefer not to jump off a cliff before the analysis of the landing pad is complete.
[17:01] <ScottK> ..
[17:02] <skaet> Thanks ScottK
[17:02] <ogra> we also prefer if you dont jump off any cliffs btw
[17:03] <ScottK> As long as you've a suitably prepared landing area, it can be a lot of fun.
[17:03] <skaet> Will add it to the list to keep an eye on.   thanks for raising.
[17:04] <skaet> any questions?
[17:04] <skaet> [Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:04]  * skaet looks around for JamieBennett
[17:05]  * JamieBennett waves
[17:05] <skaet> :)
[17:05] <JamieBennett> Nothing from Linaro this week, we released Alpha-2 on time and there are no impending bits to be put in the archive, all is quiet
[17:06] <skaet> ..?
[17:07]  * skaet wonders if JamieBennett is done, or typing....
[17:07] <JamieBennett> skaet: sorry
[17:07] <JamieBennett> EOF
[17:08] <skaet> thanks JamieBennett
[17:08] <skaet> any questions?
[17:08] <skaet> [Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other kudos/comments/questions?
[17:09]  * skaet looks around...
[17:09] <skaet> no hands, so I guess thats it for this week.
[17:09] <skaet> thanks everyone.
[17:09]  * ogra wants to praise skaet for doing an awesome A2
[17:09] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:09] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:09.
[17:09] <pitti> ogra++
[17:09] <marjo> thx skaet!
[17:10] <skaet> thanks ogra - its an awesome team to work with!
[17:12] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:20] <DrKenobi> next meeting kernel Q&A?
[17:21] <jono> DrKenobi, yep :-)
[17:22] <DrKenobi> jono, great!
[17:26] <on3_g> <o/
[17:27] <diflame> hii
[17:28] <DrKenobi> \o/
[17:29] <Uitm-Dungeon> .
[17:29] <joker1319> ^^
[17:29] <sam__> hello all
[17:29] <joker1319> hi
[17:30] <tom96> hi
[17:30] <sam__> should we start up with the questions??????
[17:30] <pgraner> sam__, no we are waiting on jono to kick us off
[17:31] <KieferJackson> I already have a question about the GUI that many are concerned about
[17:31] <Saber_> hi
[17:31] <jono> pgraner, go ahead :-)
[17:31] <jono> this is Pete time everyone! woo!
[17:31] <pgraner> jono, Thanks pal!
[17:31] <pgraner> Hi Everyone. My name is Pete Graner I manage the Ubuntu Kernel team.
[17:32] <kernelscrashnvid> hi everybody
[17:32] <SemSem> hi guys
[17:32] <Saber_> hi
[17:32] <SemSem> hi
[17:32] <windows_> hi
[17:32] <KieferJackson> hello
[17:32] <windows_> hi windows here
[17:32] <pgraner> jono tells me I'm here to answer questions about the Ubuntu Kernel, its process etc.
[17:32] <Saber_> I'm new in this kind of meeting ^^
[17:32] <pgraner> One quick note this is not a Q&A about specific bugs, we just don't have time for that sort of thing.
[17:32] <pgraner> If you do have questions on bugs you can ask in #ubuntu-kernel on FreeNode and the kernel team will do its best to answer.
[17:32] <KieferJackson> ok
[17:32] <pgraner> Before we get started... please prefix any questions with "QUESTION:" so it makes it easier for me to pick them out.
[17:32] <pgraner> Also I manage the team and as such I don't have all of the info on every bit of the kernel, I have members of the kernel team here who might jump in and answer from time to time.
[17:33] <SemSem> why ubuntu always need updates and get slow after this updates ?
[17:33] <pgraner> Ok lets get started.
[17:33] <SemSem> and why i can't make an iamge from system after install updates and all application ?
[17:33] <EslaMx7> hi all
[17:34] <pgraner> SemSem, ubutnu is always getting stable updates, CVE security fixes and the like
[17:34] <Saber_> Question : I want to know about the development of driver ( USB driver )
[17:34] <EslaMx7> hi all
[17:34] <rickspencer3> SemSem, if you want to ask a quesiton, start it with QUESTION: whatever your question is?
[17:34] <EslaMx7> ?
[17:34] <SemSem> ok
[17:34] <Detoke> Hello :O
[17:34] <rozan> hello I love ubuntu
[17:34] <rickspencer3> otherwise, pgraner can't pick out the questions
[17:34] <pgraner> SemSem,  as far as slowness goes I'm not familiar with any specifc issues like this
[17:34] <rozan> I don't love microsoft
[17:34] <manav> Question : want to learn abt kernel with aim of being a linux developer.How shud i go abt it?
[17:34] <Detoke> mocosoft?
[17:34] <pgraner> Saber_, specifically what USB driver?
[17:34] <kernelscrashnvid> question why kernel 28 and higher crash my nvidia driver ?
[17:35] <KieferJackson> QUESTION: Many have asked if the new task bar for Unity will have the option to be moved around to other sides of the screen in Ubuntu 11.04. Has anyone on the team taken this into consideration?
[17:35] <Cloudy6111301> QUESTION: I am running 10.10 on a linksys 160N.  It kicks me off after about a minute.  s there a fix for this?
[17:35] <yo_> theres is some issue regarding the visual iow-handler.
[17:35] <pgraner> KieferJackson, this is kernel not desktop
[17:35] <bjf> KieferJackson, this is the kernel team not the UI team, we can't help you there
[17:36] <SemSem> "QUESTION" my company using windows server and windows xp and 7 ,, i'm IT there. i wish i can change all system to ubuntu server and client .. but you know files.exe is always the big problem .. why u don't make any simillar change so we can use direct without using wine !
[17:36] <jono> QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT: folks, please chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat - just ask questions in here
[17:36] <flying_sheep> QUESTION: why is Kubuntu indeed treated like the blue-headed stepchild and doesn’t get a Ubuntu one client, launchpad integration, apt://-links, …
 Question : how I can develop a USB driver for a device that I made using Microsheep PIC and added to the Kernel ??
[17:36] <OkDucky> QUESTION: what pieces of the kernel does the Ubuntu team specifically target to improve/develop? as oppose to kernel development that goes on by all companies and individuals
 Question : how may I develop a USB driver for a device that I made using Microsheep PIC and added to the Kernel ??
[17:36] <KieferJackson> Sorry, i thought it was aboout the kernal update in general for Natty Narwal, as in 11.04
[17:37] <Mark_M> gah
[17:37] <pgraner> Ok now that the chatter has settled
[17:38] <SemSem> peter ?
[17:38] <Cloudy6111301> Mark_M is skitzo  :)
[17:38] <compaq1223> ahh.
[17:38] <pgraner> This session is on KERNEL questions, not Unity, desktop or userspace things
[17:38] <pgraner> So.. with that said
[17:38] <pahnin> question: my nvdia driver has non support yet, I get a blank screen while booting now using ubuntu with nomodeset option can it hve support in future?
[17:38] <sconklin> ls
[17:38] <Cloudy6111301> QUESTION: I am a noob.  what is a kernel?
[17:39] <kernelscrashnvid> kernel for 10.10 dont installl nvidia drivers has it got something to do the kernel or is it nvidia who doesnt develop drivers for latest  ubuntu versions
[17:39] <pgraner> Saber_, this is not that place to discuss how to write device drivers
[17:39] <coffeholikas> QUETION: what's the recomended Software for Ubuntu programs creation?
[17:39] <SemSem> "QUESTION" can ubuntu one day support files.exe direct without using wine  ???????
[17:39] <benjamim_gois> QUESTION: What is the current state of vga_switcheroo on the kernel ? does it evolve since 2.6.35 ?
[17:39] <jono> FOLKS: PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND CHATTER IN #ubuntu-classroom-chat - WE ARE MODERATING THIS CHANNEL SO THERE IS LESS NOISE
[17:39] <kernelscrashnvid> QUESTION: kernel for 10.10 dont installl nvidia drivers has it got something to do the kernel or is it nvidia who doesnt develop drivers for latest  ubuntu versions
[17:40] <SemSem> "QUESTION" "QUESTION" "QUESTION" "QUESTION" can ubuntu one day support files.exe direct without using wine  ???????
[17:40] <Cloudy6111301> Kernel Sanders
[17:40] <pgraner> SemSem, I have no idea what you are talking about
[17:40] <pgraner> SemSem, that is not kernel related
[17:40] <yo_> exe is base on win32 arch.
[17:40] <KieferJackson> Question: Will the kernal update have support for the new CR-48 laptops from Google, considering they are specifically built for Chrome OS?
[17:40] <SemSem> i can't run any files with extention .exe
[17:40] <SemSem> can ubuntu one day support files.exe direct without using wine  ???????
[17:40] <spidercaleb> SemSem, use wine
[17:41] <spidercaleb> oh, then no
[17:41] <rozan> @semsem
[17:41] <khloroform> SemSem...relax :P
[17:41] <rozan> that is windows
[17:41] <yo_> use windows 7
[17:41] <Saber_> ok sorry, Question : if you don't mind may I give you my email adress then I will contact you with email ???
[17:41] <rozan> use wine semsem
[17:41] <pgraner> SemSem, No it won't support it
[17:41] <pgraner> Saber_, its is a prop driver and it has not yet caught up
[17:41] <rozan> @semsem use wine
[17:41] <pgraner> Saber_, we hope to have an updated driver from Nvidia before release
[17:42] <kernelscrashnvid> QUESTION: kernel for 10.10 dont installl nvidia drivers has it got something to do the kernel or is it nvidia who doesnt develop drivers for latest  ubuntu versions
[17:42] <KieferJackson> QUESTION: Will the new kernal update have hardware support for the new CR-48 laptops from google considering they are build for Chrome OS?
[17:42] <OkDucky> QUESTION: what pieces of the kernel does the Ubuntu team specifically target to improve/develop? as oppose to kernel development that goes on by all companies and individuals
[17:42] <pgraner> kernelscrashnvid, see answer above
[17:42] <pgraner> KieferJackson, don't know until we see the hardware and bios
[17:42] <SemSem> okk thnxx so much peter :)
[17:42] <kernelscrashnvid> didn notice u answered back , sorry
[17:42] <sforshee> Cloudy6111301: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)
[17:43] <Saber_>  ok sorry, Question : if you don't mind may I give you my email adress then I will contact you with email ???
[17:43] <SemSem> but i wish one day ubuntu run files.exe and i will make mercedes-benz gonna use it instead of microsoft
[17:43] <benjamim_gois> i prefer video-chat on ustram the way JONO make. There's to much noise here
[17:43] <Darrell_> i would like to know why wont wine work properly with windows apps when they work with ubuntu in wine and i have done every thing right
[17:43] <pgraner> OkDucky, we have a team that procures some of the latest hardware and then we do our best to enable it for the current dev version of ubuntu
[17:43] <jono> benjamim_gois, trying to fix this when we find an op
[17:43] <pgraner> QUESTION: I am running 10.10 on a linksys 160N.  It kicks me off after about a minute.  s there a fix for this?
[17:43] <pgraner> No there is not, its designed for windows only
[17:44] <khloroform> QUESTION: because ubuntu is a linux distro for human being, why do not include all "normal" video drivers like nvidia and ATI by default?
[17:44] <pgraner> khloroform, we can't due to licensing, we make them available thru jocky post installation
[17:45] <kernelscrashnvid> dont see any reference at all about what i asked pgraner
[17:45] <SemSem> "QUESTION" how can i use webi to instal another verison of linux ..
[17:45] <pgraner> SemSem, this is not a kernel question
[17:45] <kernelscrashnvid> kernel for 10.10 dont installl nvidia drivers has it got something to do the kernel or is it nvidia who doesnt develop drivers for latest  ubuntu versions
[17:45] <pgraner> kernelscrashnvid, its nvidia not keeping up with upstream
[17:45] <jono> OK FOLKS, THERE IS TOO MUCH NOISE - WE ARE TAKING THE Q+A TO #ubuntu-classroom
[17:46] <jono> PLEASE GO THERE TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION WITH pgraner
[17:46] <SemSem> "QUESTION" after i instal nividia driver i find that ubuntu open with low contrast logo in booting !!
[17:46] <Taek> kernelscrashnvid: They've already answered that about 10 minutes ago.
[17:46] <KieferJackson> QUESTION: what security/bug fixes can you hi-light in the new kernal release?
[17:46] <DrKenobi> jono \o/ great, this is really bad
[17:46] <Aditya> How to repair a broken system???
[17:46] <jono> HEAD TO #ubuntu-classroom FOLKS
[17:46] <GauravButola> Question : How exactly does the glorified 200 lines kernel patch will benefit in 11.04
[17:46] <SemSem> "QUESTION"" how can i talk with some one in ubuntu and can answer my question ????????
[17:46] <doctormo> jono: I'll lock up here, don't worry.
[17:47] <h00k> Can everyone please head over to #ubuntu-classroom, it would be greatly appreciated.
[17:47] <doctormo> SemSem and GauravButola, please move to #ubuntu-classroom
[17:47] <jono> thanks doctormo
[17:47] <Saber_> Question : the kernel is became more and more bigger  because of the add of the kernel... don't you have a target to separate the them from the kernel ( like in Minix ) ??
[17:47] <doctormo> Saber_: Please move to #ubuntu-classroom
[17:47] <Aditya> can't we do backup in ubuntu like in XP?
[17:47] <kernelscrashnvid> where's ubutu-classroom
[17:47] <SemSem> why ? peter not answer any of my questions !!
[17:47] <doctormo> SemSem: You're asking in the wrong place
[17:47] <h00k> kernelscrashnvid: /join #ubuntu-classroom
[17:47] <SemSem> i need some speicalist answer me in ubuntu
[17:48] <ikonia> SemSem: support is in #ubuntu
[17:48] <SemSem> okk .. thnx guys
[17:48] <SemSem> hasta luego
[17:48] <kernelscrashnvid> how to , hook?
[17:48] <Dubs_> hello Room
[17:48] <doctormo> Aditya: That's a question for http://askubuntu.com/ and KERNEL questions, please type /join #ubuntu-classroom
[17:48] <KieferJackson> @SemSem this is for kernal questions only. None of your questions will be answered here unless you know what your talking about
[17:49] <Saber_> Sorry for bothering you people , have a nice day bye
[17:49] <Dubs_> i am having problem with natty installing by upgrade its not going through any one help
[17:50] <Darrell_> why have this chat when you write some thing and no one anwsers
[17:50] <doctormo> Darrell_: People answer
[17:51] <KieferJackson> QUESTION: what specific bug fixes can you hi-light in the new kernal release?
[17:51] <rickspencer3> THEM MEETING MOVED TO #ubuntu-classroom
[17:51] <doctormo> KieferJackson: Please ask your question in the #ubuntu-classroom-chat room
[17:51] <rickspencer3> ask your quesitons in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:51] <Darrell_> yh right ive wrote 2 things so far and no one aint anwsered
[17:51] <doctormo> Darrell_: Did you ask kernel questions? did you ask them in #ubuntu-classroom-chat?
[17:51] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:52] <doctormo> Hey sebsebseb
[17:52] <rickspencer3> Darrell_, go to #ubuntu-classroom-chat, and ask your question there, start it with QUESTION: and make it about the kernel
[17:52] <Tach> hi
[17:52] <rickspencer3> Tach, the kernel Q+A moved to #ubuntu-classroom
[17:52] <Darrell_> why are peoples ip address show breach of privacy
[17:52] <KieferJackson> @<doctormo> Has the session ended for the meeting? My question is relevant here.
[17:52] <Tach> thanks for the info
[17:52] <doctormo> KieferJackson: Yes, this meeting is over.
[17:53] <Darrell_> i got all your ip addresses now for some hacking cool
[17:53] <kernelscrashnvid> cannot send anything to ubuntu classroom
[17:53] <sebsebseb> rickspencer3: ok thanks for info (even though not aimed directly at me :D)
[17:53] <m4n1sh> kernelscrashnvid: #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:53] <rickspencer3> kernelscrashnvid, ask your questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:53] <apw_> over in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:53] <doctormo> Darrell_: Please don't troll the irc chat channel, if you must hack into people's computers, do it quietly.
[17:53] <Boo_> wow
[17:53] <Boo_> many ppl here
[17:53] <KieferJackson> Its a shame most people decided to goof off instead of asking serious questions related to the topic.
[17:54] <doctormo> KieferJackson: That's why we had to move it.
[17:54] <rickspencer3> KieferJackson, welcoem to the internet :/
[17:55] <drGspot> join simplymepis
[17:57] <PhilT_> is this Weekly Q&A ?
[17:58] <PhilT_> with Pete Graner, Kernel Engineering Manager
[17:58] <portobello> PhilT_: go to #ubuntu-classroom
[18:02] <naditya> hello
[18:03] <doctormo> hey naditya
[18:04] <naditya> can you help me?
[18:08] <PhilT_> Fail : Post it's in meeting and run it in classroom
[18:10] <JFo> PhilT_, it originally was here
[18:10] <JFo> but the participation was so great that it had to be moved
[18:10] <JFo> PhilT_, it is in #ubuntu-classroom now
[18:10] <JFo> you can ask questiot channelns in the -cha
[18:10] <JFo> <-fail
[18:11] <JFo> you can ask questions in the -chat channel
[18:12] <Middle> Hello/
[18:13] <Middle> Heard the kernel engineer was here?
[18:13] <derrekito> That
[18:13] <Middle> he gone?
[18:13] <derrekito> That's what I heard, that's why I'm here.
[18:14] <Middle> yeah in teh comment on Fail book it said in clasroom
[18:14] <New> Hello
[18:14] <derrekito> He shouldn't be.  It was scheduled for 5:30 UTC, it's 6:14 UTC right now.
[18:14] <Middle> i joined but i had no voice so i kisda miss the point of that
[18:14] <Middle> oh ok
[18:14] <Middle> feck it lol
[18:15] <Middle> i was jsut wondering how i can like get a job/contribute with them
[18:16] <derrekito> For details on the Q&A session see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA
[18:17] <amanz> my goodness
[18:17] <AlanBell> the Q&A was moved
[18:17] <AlanBell> it is now in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:17] <m4n1sh> yes
[18:17] <m4n1sh> go fast
[18:17] <derrekito> thank you
[18:17] <m4n1sh> Jono would close it anytime
[18:17] <AlanBell> you can ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[18:17] <m4n1sh> since not many questions are asked
[18:17] <m4n1sh> right now no one is asking
[18:20] <amanz> anyone know how run yahoo massanger in Ubuntu 10:10
[18:21] <amanz> and how run broadband on kubuntu 10.10?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> !support
[18:22] <amanz> tq..for info
[18:23] <gulas> hello
[18:23] <iPodBoy> Hello
[18:24] <siliconephil> hi
[18:26] <amanz> Ubuntu can play windows game or not?
[18:27] <m4n1sh> amanz: not all. some can be played on wine
[18:27] <m4n1sh> amanz: this is meeting channel BTW
[18:27] <amanz> oook just need help hii
[18:43] <marksch1> What sense does it make to visit a channel where nothing happens, except for people entering and leaving?
[18:46] <FreeDumb> What time is the webinar going to start?
[19:00] <pasha> hi to all
[19:11] <Jamuzu> Hello, everybody! :D
[19:11] <Jamuzu> Is the Pete Graner's meeting over?
[19:12] <maco> the Q&A? yes
[19:12] <m4n1sh> Jamuzu: yes. Check the logs.
[19:12] <maco> it ended a while ago in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:12] <Jamuzu> Geez!
[19:12] <m4n1sh> Jamuzu: or check this http://goo.gl/VUYLZ for logs
[19:12] <Jamuzu> gr8, thnx!
[19:12] <m4n1sh> i turned it into readable format
[19:13] <Jamuzu> Thank you very much, m4n1sh!
[19:13] <m4n1sh> you are welcome
[19:13] <Jamuzu> I'll save it to .pdf if you don't mind, m4n1sh
[19:14] <m4n1sh> Jamuzu: ah sure. Lemme make the license explicit
[19:14] <Kaptein> Did i miss it?
[19:14] <m4n1sh> CC license
[19:14] <m4n1sh> go enjoy, share
[19:14] <m4n1sh> Kaptein: yes
[19:14] <Kaptein> Doh! :(
[19:14] <m4n1sh> it was on #ubuntu-classroom
[19:14] <Jamuzu> Yes, thanks!
[19:14] <m4n1sh> Kaptein: I carved out a readable format of the Q&A http://goo.gl/VUYLZ
[19:15] <m4n1sh> Jamuzu: share it as much as you like. Under CC license
[19:15] <m4n1sh> anyway it is not my content. I don't own the copyright anyway. Sorry. I cannot specify the license
[19:17] <Lancemaster> m4n1sh looks like a password
[19:17] <m4n1sh> Lancemaster: password?
[19:17] <Lancemaster> m4n1sh: Yeah, it looks like somebodys password
[19:18] <m4n1sh> the URL?
[19:19] <Lancemaster> ??
[19:20] <m4n1sh> Lancemaster: password of?
[19:20] <m4n1sh> which thing looks like password?
[19:21] <Lancemaster> m4n1sh: The string "m4n1sh" looks like a password because it has mixed letters and numbers! :D
[19:22] <m4n1sh> Lancemaster: ah. It's my name manish in leet form :)
[19:25] <anant> ?
[19:30] <jl_> Missed the meeting eh?
[19:31] <m4n1sh> jl_: it was on #ubuntu-classroom and not here
[19:31] <jl_> cheers
[20:04] <genux> is this channel working for live kernel questions ?
[20:06] <genux> I was just wondering about the kernel memory allocation and the process within that ..
[20:06] <mytrix> aongolikur
[20:07] <mytrix> songolikur
[20:07] <pleia2> genux: you missed it, it was a couple hours ago in #ubuntu-classroom, you can see the logs here:  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/04/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[20:07] <genux> thanks.. pleia2
[20:10] <nordlicht> Am I too late?;)
[20:10] <pleia2> yes, you can see the logs here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/04/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[20:11] <nordlicht> Damn. But, thank you.
[20:19] <luuuuuuuu> hello
[20:19] <luuuuuuuu> anybody
[20:19] <luuuuuuuu> online
[20:19] <luuuuuuuu> hello
[20:19] <AlanBell> luuuuuuuu: try in #ubuntu for support
[20:20] <luuuuuuuu> #ubuntu
[20:20] <AlanBell> or if you were looking for the kernel Q&A you missed it, logs are here http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/04/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[20:20] <AlanBell> it is "/join #ubuntu"
[20:20] <luuuuuuuu> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[20:20] <luuuuuuuu> i missed it
[20:21] <AlanBell> there will be another
[20:21] <luuuuuuuu> cool,thanks
[20:31] <LuisfernandoGNU> Hi there
[20:32] <lol> hi
[20:33] <lol> Hello?
[20:33] <Guest12496> Wow!
[22:56] <mustu> join #ubuntu-meeting
[23:03] <charlie-tca> it worked
[23:07] <julibauc> hola
[23:08] <julibauc> hello...??


[09:55] <binBASH> apw: I've updated now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1318551 as you recommended


[08:10] <troy_s> new code updates at launchpad.
[08:11] <Madpilot> for which features?
[08:18] <troy_s> hey mad
[08:18] <Madpilot> hi
[08:18] <troy_s> you interested in helping the administration end?
[08:18] <troy_s> you seem to be very accessible
[08:18] <Madpilot> LP admin?
[08:19] <troy_s> yes
[08:19] <troy_s> you familiar with it?
[08:19] <troy_s> i just noticed that you spoke up regarding the calendar and such, and our team needs good folks with good technical knowledge as well as art smarts.
[08:19] <Madpilot> I've fiddled with LP, never really had any reason to get into it
[08:20] <msikma> Yeah, someone will need to keep the calendar updated a little bit.
[08:20] <msikma> I think that a caldendar will prove very useful
[08:20] <troy_s> well more than useful
[08:20] <troy_s> it is tied into the overarching ubuntu design system
[08:20] <troy_s> which is more important
[08:20] <troy_s> the specs and such
[08:21] <msikma> Too bad it can't be a Google one, though, since I check that constantly because I keep track of my working hours with it
[08:21] <troy_s> it is a very useful method to keep tabs on several things.
[08:21] <troy_s> the lp calendar binds into the rest of the system which is nice.
[08:25] <msikma> Yeah, just gotta bookmark the page it uses
[08:25] <msikma> Can you syndicate the LP calendar via XML or Ical format?
[08:26] <msikma> Because then I could import it into Google Calendar, like I did with the Fridge calendar.
[08:31] <troy_s> uh... i suspect that RSS and such is in the works.
[08:31] <troy_s> Launchpad is quite new.
[08:31] <troy_s> Greetings kyle.
[08:35] <troy_s> where the heck has bersace been...
[08:44] <Kylekf> hi :)
[08:44] <Kylekf> sorry for late reply was away just now
[09:37] <msikma> Hello
[09:37] <Kylekf> hi
[09:54] <msikma> Hey guys, how would you like ubuntu-art.org?
[09:54] <msikma> I think a separate domain for the Ubuntu artwork team would be neat.
[09:54] <msikma> Then we could also have mail redirects.
[09:55] <Madpilot> you could probably get artteam.ubuntu.com - the DocTeam has doc.ubuntu.com for internal/testing stuff, and help.u.c for the actual released docs
[10:21] <msikma> artteam.ubuntu.com would also be nice, but I think it would be even better to have ubuntu-art.org. Mainly for the ease of remembering and access, and the e-mail addresses.
[11:49] <lapo> hi
[12:30] <bersace> lapo: hi :)
[06:10] <msikma_> Time to go away again.
[06:10] <msikma_> Bye


 Still early.
[03:31] <akem> lotuspsychje, Are you running Gnome?
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> i need a vanilla ubuntu desktop for my customers, so thats what im helping debug too
[03:32] <akem> Ok, i see.
[06:59] <lordievader> Good morning