[00:48] <Noldorin> jelmer, sorry disconnected
[13:38] <Noldorin> jelmer, hi
[13:38] <jelmer> Noldorin: Himmagery
[13:38] <jelmer> I mean, Hi
[13:38] <Noldorin> heh
[13:38] <Noldorin> :)
[13:39] <Noldorin> jelmer, so the problem i'm having with porting your plugin is that repository.text_store and .control_store were VersionedFileStore objects, but they've been (apparently) moved to the .revisions, .inventories, .texts, etc. properties
[13:39] <Noldorin> which are VersionedFiles objects, not stores
[13:40] <jelmer> sure - the plugin is specific to an older repository format
[13:40] <Noldorin> yes but. my point was that i was asking you what the new equivalent is.
[13:41] <Noldorin> surely you have some knowledge about how it's changed over time?
[13:41] <jelmer> Noldorin: .revisions, .texts and .inventories are roughly the equivalents
[13:41] <Noldorin> why does VersionedFileStore exist then?
[13:43] <jelmer> Noldorin: I'm not sure I follow
[13:44] <Noldorin> VersionedFileStore has many of the old methods that existed on VersionedFiles
[13:44] <Noldorin> but isn't really used anywhere, as far as i can see
[13:48] <Noldorin> jelmer, replacing the copy/delete functionality for VersionedFiles isn't immediately apparent
[13:50] <jelmer> Noldorin: sorry, it's been way too long since I've looked at this stuff
[13:50] <Noldorin> heh okay
[13:50] <Noldorin> jelmer, no anyone who could help me then maybe?
[13:50] <jelmer> basically, you want to generate the record streams for texts/inventories/revisions and insert those into the new repository
[13:50] <jelmer> Noldorin: I'd suggest asking on the mailing list
[13:50] <Noldorin> ok
[13:51] <Noldorin> i don\'t really have the time or patience to wait for mailing list replies, but maybe...
[13:51] <jelmer> Noldorin: you can always dig further enough to find it yourself :-)
[13:51] <Noldorin> the code is very convoluted though
[13:52] <Noldorin> and not well commented
[13:52] <Noldorin> so chances of that are virtually nil
[13:52] <Noldorin> dynamic languages are a PITA to read as well
[13:54] <jelmer> Noldorin: meh, it's all just what you're used to
[13:54] <Noldorin> somewhat
[13:54] <Noldorin> but not completely
[13:54] <jelmer> I think the main thing lacking here is a doc that explains the overall architecture
[13:54] <Noldorin> jelmer, i agree
[19:44] <xnox> In ubuntu saucy, bzr hasn't been migrating to release pocket for a while now.
[19:44] <xnox> trying: bzr
[19:44] <xnox> skipped: bzr (32 <- 31)
[19:44] <xnox>     got: 99+0: i-99
[19:44] <xnox>     * i386: bzr-gtk, groundcontrol, nautilus-bzr
[19:44] <xnox> those three packages need fixing =/
[19:44] <xnox> or removal.
[19:53] <jelmer> hi xnox
[19:54] <jelmer> xnox: bzr-gtk is slated for removal from Debian, so I'll request its removal from Ubuntu too
[19:54] <xnox> jelmer: hello. Ok. What about the other two? bump the dependencies & see what breaks (if anything) ?
[19:54] <jelmer> xnox: nautilus-bzr comes from the bzr-gtk source package
[19:54] <jelmer> I'm not sure about groundcontrol
[19:55] <xnox> ok.
[19:58] <jelmer> xnox: it looks like groundcontrol has a dependency on bzr-gtk, even in Debian (where it will probably break :-()
[19:59] <xnox> ack.


[16:46] <wuzamarine> I am having issues with ufw and I was hoping to get a fresh set of eyes on it. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2495670&p=14181005#post14181005 I have a second issue that I have a feeling is very much connected  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2495836&p=14181365#post14181365 and help would be dearly appreciated.
[20:43] <sarnold> wuzamarine: if I'm reading your posts correctly, I think you'd have more consistent results if you disable or uninstall ufw and write nftables rules by hand -- ufw is meant to be easy enough to run simple commands to enable common filtering things, but beyond a certain level of complexity it'd just be easier to manage exactly the rules you want yourself
[20:46] <JanC> the "u" in "ufw" stands for "uncomplicated"
[20:48] <JanC> there are other frontends for nftables too
[20:52] <sarnold> and probably way more for iptables, some of them very complicated :)
[20:59] <JanC> by default iptables itself is a frontend for nftables nowadays  :)
[21:01] <wuzamarine> sarnold the problem with iptables is that you will learn the syntax once to build a firewall and then 3 years later when you have to do the same task, the syntax changes and you have to relearn it again from scratch. At this point, I am looking for anything to make it easier.
[21:03] <sarnold> wuzamarine: hah, yeah, i'm familiar with that .. ipfwadm was easy enough but then they introduced ipchains. ipchains was annoying so I switched to ipf. then ipf was replaced with pf. then just when I was starting to learn ipchains they introduced iptables. and then just when I was getting around to learning iptables they introduced nftables. who even knows how long this one is going to last..
[21:11] <JanC> ufw has been good enough for what I need recently, but almost a couple decades ago I used shorewall; no idea how it compares nowadays...
[21:11] <JanC> and there are other tools/frontends too
[21:12] <JanC> even ufw might work for what you are trying to do, but it's been a long time since I did anything complicated with it...   :)
[21:14] <JanC> certainly port 25 just works for me...
[21:17] <JanC> (but it's probably a different ufw version)
[21:18] <JanC> are you certain fail2ban or knockd aren't causing your issues?


[09:41] <vicky> hi sir
[09:41] <vicky> Minimal BASH-Like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completion. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions. f100004016964074


[00:45] <stuartm> just upgraded to Lucid, but it insists on using Nouveau instead of the nvidia driver, what do I have to do to persuade it otherwise?
[00:47] <stuartm> I could blacklist Nouveau, but that doesn't seem well designed and certainly not the ubuntu way
[00:49] <stuartm> ah, an hour of searching and I find the answer 2 minutes after asking the question ... always seems to work out that way
[03:19] <Vilemaxim> Having problems getting a TV Tuner to play audio... I think it's just the audio input that is not passing through correctly. Can anyone give me a few pointers on troubleshooting approaches. "Sound Properties" show input levels changing, but I'm not sure why it doesn't play.
[03:28] <qwebirc55071> Anyone here have experience with change_channel_lirc.pl? I'm having a very, very odd problem.
[04:10] <qwebirc55071> Never mind, I've got it resolve (I think).
[04:10] <qwebirc55071> I'll post the details to the Mythbuntu forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9381617
[04:10] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Trouble changing channels on cable box (LIRC) - Ubuntu Forums
[10:04] <wangdoodle> !help
[10:04] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[10:15] <antivirtel> re
[14:28] <dbr> I have an issue with my terminal echo. It will lock up for about 1s every 5s or so. This happens no matter if I'm logged in via TTY console, xfce-terminal or ssh. It will still accept input, but output just locks up, so I can't see what I type until it unfreezes. It's extremely annoying. Any idea of what may cause this?
[14:48] <Ratok> hallo an alle, ich habe telecolumbus als anbieter und seit kurzem geht keiner der dvb-c RTL, VOX, etc. Kanäle mehr
[19:13] <funsheep> Hi, i'd like to know, if i can update the mysql server through the update manager without loosing my database.
[19:14] <funsheep> i had some bad experiences with lirc updates. they always overwrite my configurations
[19:19] <mrand> funsheep: mysql should be better behaved.  It's always advisable to do backups, but I wouldn't have any fears.
[19:20] <funsheep> ok. thanks :)
[20:25] <dbr> I am having problems with stdout freezing frequntly. It's extremeley annoying anyboy have any idea on how to debug this?
[21:12] <jolaren> I cant change themes all of a suden
[21:12] <jolaren> hm
[21:18] <jolaren> It's really annoying


[02:16] <bazhang> once in a blue moon; he was mostly offtopic
[02:33] <IdleOne> bazhang: I think that is johnD
[02:34] <bazhang> IdleOne, so do I
[02:34] <IdleOne> the spoonfed comment gave it away
[02:37] <Jordan_U> Hurray for lag.  Apparently there is a security hole there from what I've been reading
[04:33] <bazhang> seems like a mis-reading
[05:00] <bazhang> * [Kimura_] (~Kimura@<IP_ADDRESS>): ...
[05:00] <bazhang> bizarro
[05:29] <bazhang> * [LearnToTroll] (~Tr0II@99-50-112-119.lightspeed.chrlnc.sbcglobal.net): Zachary Stowe
[05:29] <bazhang> that can't be good
[06:02] <elky> bazhang, i only removed him
[06:02] <bazhang> elky, ah sorry
[06:03] <bazhang> some weird lag prevented me from kicking him in #ubuntu
[06:03] <elky> er it's doing ti to me too
[06:05] <elky> staff, is something up with services?
[06:05] <bazhang> no errors or anything. just give +o and then remove +o
[06:05] <elky> yeah
[06:05] <elky> ive seen it before
[06:06] <elky> usually when services are crapping out
[06:06] <bazhang> ok
[06:36] <init[dot]d> Any ops around?
[06:36] <init[dot]d> guess nort
[06:38] <bazhang> just a mom
[06:39] <bazhang> augh
[06:39] <bkerensa> =/
[06:39] <bazhang> the Moon must be in the house of UrNOTEHBOSSUVME today
[06:39] <bkerensa> bazhang: hah you been watching too ;)
[06:40] <bazhang> bkerensa, much to my chagrin :)
[06:41] <bkerensa> ;p
 Anyone ever used ubuntu satanic edition   <--- worst fears, confirmed
[06:47] <init[dot]d> any humans?
[06:47] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: How can we help you?
[06:48] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, I do appreciate the guidelines of #Ubuntu but to have people so heavy handed yet at the same time completely hypocrital makes following said guidelines a bit tough
[06:49] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: could you explain more?
[06:49] <init[dot]d> Numerous times today and the past few days comments have been made by other users in #Ubuntu about the attitude of bazhang
[06:50] <bazhang> ?
[06:50] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: Your not being clear enough for us to help you? What comments have they made about bazhang?
[06:50] <bazhang> odd I never saw those, as my name is set to highlight
[06:51] <init[dot]d> let me see if I have an example in my logs
[06:51] <bazhang> init[dot]d, what does this have to with you being warned to stay on topic, then continuing on after being warned to stop?
[06:51] <init[dot]d> but I doubt it will make a diff anyway
[06:51] <init[dot]d> lol
[06:51] <bazhang> mi3 was asked to stop. and did.
[06:51] <init[dot]d> bazhang, it has everything to do with you being a hypocritical douchebag
[06:51] <init[dot]d> nuff said
[06:52] <bazhang> init[dot]d, you were warned more than once, then continued nonetheless
[06:53] <bazhang> init[dot]d, name calling is not called for.  it's very simple: #ubuntu is a shared resource, and if everyone is typing asdfasdf LOLLL then it becomes unusable. some moderation is required
[06:53] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: Do you have a valid issue you need help with because it appears your complaint surrounds a operator enforcing our guidelines in a consistent manner with how they should be?
[06:53] <init[dot]d> nah my logs dont go back that far
[06:53] <init[dot]d> but it happened
[06:53] <bazhang> !1984 | init[dot]d
[06:53] <init[dot]d> guess not
[06:53] <bazhang> check there
[06:53] <init[dot]d> I appreciate the "community"
[06:54] <bkerensa> >.<
[06:54] <bazhang> so enforcing guidelines is bad
[06:54] <bazhang> ok then
[06:54] <bkerensa> apparently
[06:54] <bazhang> and now he wants to continue with name calling in PM. lovely
 can you un q me now please?
[06:55] <bkerensa> lol
[06:55] <init[dot]d> I guess you werent done scolding me
[06:57] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: We enforce the rules with equal measure... The rules exist to keep order in channels and keep them on focus with their purpose
[06:58] <init[dot]d> so in order to make a "legitimate" point I need to keep a detailed report on the op in question and present it like a lawyer otherwise it gets dismissed
[06:58] <init[dot]d> makes sense
[06:58] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: no
[06:58] <init[dot]d> but hear say is not admissable
[06:58] <init[dot]d> :(
[06:58] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: you have not even explained what your complaint is?
[06:58] <init[dot]d> I did
[06:59] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: you said bazhang was heavy handed in enforcing the guidelines
[06:59] <bkerensa> ?
[06:59] <init[dot]d> but you wanted proof and then dismissed it because my issue was with one of your buds
[06:59] <init[dot]d> I can understand I been there before
[06:59] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, very
[06:59] <init[dot]d> and at the same time hypocritical
[06:59] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: Did bazhang warn you?
[07:00] <init[dot]d> most likely
[07:00] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: did you continue to conduct he asked you to cease?
[07:00] <bkerensa> the*
[07:00] <init[dot]d> I apologize for being light hearted and inserting a sense of humor in the #Ubuntu channel
[07:00] <init[dot]d> humor is uncalled for and I understand that
[07:00] <init[dot]d> it will not happen again
[07:01] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: in #ubuntu it is in fact not the most appropriate place since it is a support channel and not a social channel.
[07:01] <init[dot]d> true
[07:01] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: are you appealing a ban or mute?
[07:01] <init[dot]d> and even Ubuntu-offtopic we are not allowed to be humerous
[07:01] <init[dot]d> mute
[07:02] <init[dot]d> humor should never be censored
[07:02] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: How long have you been muted?
[07:02] <init[dot]d> but thats just my opinion
[07:02] <init[dot]d> I unno
[07:02] <init[dot]d> not the point though
[07:03] <init[dot]d> I dont care about the muting or the reasons for it, I am pissed because the standard is only held against some and not others
[07:03] <init[dot]d> comprende?
[07:04] <bazhang> not really
[07:04] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: By being uncooperative your not giving me the impression that your able to adhere to the guidelines? Adding that you came in here and insulted a operator only strengthens that position. I suggest you take a break and try back in a few days and we can look at the situation again.
[07:04] <init[dot]d> your man/woman/thingamabober bazhang has been a douche at times and that is A ok, but let someone else say something he/she/it doesnt like and BAM ban hammer
[07:04] <bazhang> you worry about you, it's simple
[07:04] <init[dot]d> likewise
[07:05] <init[dot]d> I try to adhere to the guidelines but at times I slip
[07:05] <init[dot]d> sorry im a joker and it comes out naturally its not like I just want to piss ppl off it just happens but instead of a little thing called forebearance banhammer or bazhang  just lays down the law
[07:05] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: I don't think we can help you at this time your behavior towards bazhang is unacceptable
[07:06] <init[dot]d> alright
[07:06] <init[dot]d> appreciate the sense of community
[07:06] <init[dot]d> communism more like it lol
[07:06] <bkerensa> =/
[07:07] <init[dot]d> wait so now im banned from #Ubuntu?
[07:07] <bazhang> yep
[07:07] <init[dot]d> and why?
[07:08] <bazhang> init[dot]d, we just went over why you were +q
[07:08] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: You have repeatedly demonstrated that your not able to follow Ubuntu IRC Guidelines
[07:09] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, by one slip?
[07:09] <init[dot]d> wow
[07:09] <bazhang> I suggest you return in 48 hours to discuss the +b
[07:09] <bkerensa> init[dot]d:  ^
[07:09] <init[dot]d> will it matter then?
[07:09] <init[dot]d> or is it just to prove the powers?
[07:10] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: If you show us that you can change and start following the guidelines and be respectful (Code of Conduct) then it may play a role in the decision making process.
[07:10] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: But as bazhang has stated we would ask you come back no earlier than 48 hours.
[07:11] <init[dot]d> I did follow the guidelines I admit I slipped a few times but I did cut it out when reminded. My issue was with bazhang acting like an ass to people and that was fine with you
[07:11] <init[dot]d> I just want to understand why I MUST adhere to the coc and bazhang  can follow whatever
[07:12] <init[dot]d> I admit I was disrespectful so I was wrong there
[07:12] <init[dot]d> I am a bit hot headed
[07:12] <bazhang> so come back in 48 hrs
[07:12] <bazhang> simple.
[07:12] <init[dot]d> but that does not excuse hypocrisy
[07:12] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: you have no told been able to demonstrate any occasion where bazhang may have crossed the lines but yet you have insulted him in this channel twice
[07:12] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: please part the channel and come back in 48 hours
[07:12] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, I apologize my logs dont go back that far
[07:12] <bazhang> init[dot]d, is 48 hrs too soon. perhaps longer is necessary to cool off and think clearly for you
[07:13] <init[dot]d> I offered to keep a detailed report
[07:13] <bazhang> !1984 | init[dot]d
[07:13] <init[dot]d> ok
[07:13] <bazhang> those are the logs. have at them.
[07:13] <init[dot]d> and in 48 then I can say my piece?
[07:13] <init[dot]d> or get kicked and banned then as well
[07:14] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: correct we will be willing to discuss this further in 48 hours but not any further at this time
[07:14] <bazhang> say your piece about what? more name calling?
[07:14] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, ok I appreciate that
[07:14] <bkerensa> and 60 seconds
[07:14] <bkerensa> drum roll!
[07:15] <bazhang> and the drama!   curtain
[07:15] <bkerensa> :P
[07:15] <bazhang> check out his -ot quit
[07:23] <elky> bazhang, did you notice that mass broken pipe quit
[07:24] <bkerensa> tango down
[07:24] <bazhang> elky, yeah. nice foreshadowing by you
[07:24] <bazhang> or premonition, whatever it's called
[07:25] <elky> we might need a staffer to tell us if it's sus or not
[07:25] <elky> i'm going for "yes" right now, but we can't really do anything until something happens
[07:30] <bazhang> dulynoted : a duly noted troll on multiple channels
[07:30] <elky> indeed
[07:32] <elky> i think this might have been that mass pipe quit
[07:33] <bkerensa> huh
[07:33] <elky> bkerensa, when splits splat, the bots can't tell them from a botnet
[07:33] <bkerensa> I see ;o
[07:33] <elky> not all splits split typically
[07:33] <elky> some just fade away
[07:33] <bkerensa> but that wasnt a normal netsplit was it?
[07:34] <elky> no, twas more the latter
[07:34] <elky> networks are silly things
[07:35] <bkerensa> indeed... well good night elky and bazhang I better get some sleep
[07:35] <bazhang> night bkerensa
[07:38] <elky> and there's the proper split
[07:44] <elky> "jihad" in a nick instantly sets off my trolldar
[07:46] <bazhang> thought that was just warofthenerd using a new nick
[07:47] <elky> i hope so, kind of. that doesn't exactly disprove my point though
[07:47] <bazhang> true
[08:24] <aetoxx> Can you explain how I cannot say that some Ubuntu packager clearly messed up the packaging of an important non-trivial application?
[08:24] <ikonia> aetoxx: sure
[08:25] <aetoxx> You should be happy that I even say things are not working.
[08:25] <ikonia> aetoxx: as I said to you, if you need / want help, you need to start giving details and information, and not saying odd cyptic things like "no-one uses ubuntu" and ranting that the packager didn't do his job, people will help you resolve the problem, or log a bug against the package if there is a problem
[08:25] <aetoxx> It costs me time and in response you ban me.
[08:25] <ikonia> aetoxx: if you feel you can interact with the support resouce in the manner I've just descrived you are welcome to rejoin
[08:25] <aetoxx> ikonia, I suggest you take some reading classes, because I already said there was a bug filed for it in 2011.
[08:25] <ikonia> described even
[08:26] <ikonia> aetoxx: that's great, so you know there is a problem, so either add to the report, or accept there is a known bug (whatever is detailed in that bug report)
[08:26] <aetoxx> ikonia, I was discussing the very position of the packager for that package.
[08:26] <ikonia> making silly comments and ranting won't help
[08:26] <aetoxx> ikonia, I think a project shouldn't just let anyone be able to commit anything.
[08:27] <ikonia> well, that's great, but that's not how it works
[08:27] <aetoxx> ikonia, what does Ubuntu do to protect its users from such idiocy?
[08:27] <ikonia> remove them from the channel, as I've just done
[08:27] <ikonia> aetoxx: howevever, if you can use the support resource (as I've just described) you're welcome to rejoin it
[08:27] <aetoxx> ikonia, I am sorry, but I have PhD. in CS.
[08:28] <aetoxx> ikonia, so, it's not I who is the idiot.
[08:28] <ikonia> then please use the channel in the manner I have explained
[08:28] <aetoxx> ikonia, unless I closed my eyes for a second and in the mean while everyone got a 150+ IQ.
[08:29] <ikonia> I'm not really interested in this discussion, so I'm going to make it clear/simple
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: do you wish to use the #ubuntu support channel, yes/no ?
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, you are saying I am the idiot.
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, I think you should apologize.
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: do you wish to use the #ubuntu support channel, yes/no ?
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, yes
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, and you should apologize.
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described yes/no
[08:30] <aetoxx> ikonia, where is it not off-topic to discuss suitability of people in this project?
[08:30] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described yes/no
[08:30] <ikonia> aetoxx: please answer the question
[08:30] <aetoxx> ikonia, should I put up a website showing a list of idiots within the project?
[08:31] <AlanBell> aetoxx: ikonia is trying to help you here, just answer the question
[08:31] <ikonia> bye
[08:31] <aetoxx> That was a not so serious suggestion.
[08:32] <ikonia> aetoxx: if you wish this to continue, please answer the question
[08:32] <aetoxx> Yes
[08:32] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described yes/no
[08:32] <ikonia> aetoxx: great, so now please /part this channel, and /join #ubuntu and use it in the manner I have described please.
[08:32] <aetoxx> I would like to know where it is discussed who can remain a packager and who cannot.
[08:33] <ikonia> it's not
[08:33] <ikonia> there is no such place
[08:33] <aetoxx> Do you think that's a good thing?
[08:33] <ikonia> I'm not interested in this discussion
[08:33] <aetoxx> In a company that would never happen.
[08:33] <ikonia> if you wish to use #ubuntu, please /join #ubuntu and /part this channel
[08:33] <ikonia> other wise, pleaes just /part this channel
[08:34] <aetoxx> What kind of nonsense is this? I cannot discuss it here and I cannot discuss it in #ubuntu.
[08:34] <ikonia> correct
[08:35] <aetoxx> And the same holds for the ubuntu forums?
[08:35] <ikonia> yes
[08:35] <aetoxx> I thought Ubuntu was for human beings.
[08:35] <aetoxx> It seems to be more for the Borg collective.
[08:36] <ikonia> ok, we are done now.
[08:36] <ikonia> please /part the channel, and you're free to use #ubuntu in the manner I've explained
[08:36] <aetoxx> You seriously don't see anything wrong with that?
[08:36] <ikonia> discussion over.
[08:36] <aetoxx> I would like to know the rationale for such rules.
[08:36] <aetoxx> They seem rather restrictive.
[08:36] <ikonia> yes, if you want to rant, they are restrictive
[08:36] <aetoxx> I.e. who specifically wrote down those rules?
[08:37] <ikonia> the IRC Community Council
[08:37] <aetoxx> I can know who created some law in the real world too.
[08:37] <ikonia> I'm sure with your massive IQ you can understand that an IRC channel has no relevence to real world law
[08:37] <ikonia> so I suggest you park any further conversation and /part now
[08:38] <AlanBell> aetoxx: this channel is for resolving issues relating to users removed from #ubuntu, which has been done. Go read about MOTU on the Ubuntu wiki and all the processes there around becoming a packager
[08:38] <AlanBell> and for proprietary software go speak to the people who make it
[08:38] <aetoxx> AlanBell, in this case it is the packager which takes a perfectly well working piece of software and turns it into feces.
[08:39] <aetoxx> AlanBell, I am not suggesting that Ubuntu should even package it.
[08:39] <aetoxx> AlanBell, but when they do, they can expect that it just shows a very bad image.
[08:46] <ikonia> aetoxx: I think we are now done in this channel.
[08:46] <aetoxx> Who appointed the IRC Communicty Council?
[08:46] <ikonia> the Ubuntu Community Council
[08:47] <aetoxx> And in the end there is some master from Canonical?
[08:47] <ikonia> not really, members of canonical sit on the various boards as community members also
[08:48] <aetoxx> ikonia, so, you are saying you are just following rules and you didn't make them?
[08:48] <ikonia> to keep it simple "yes"
[08:49] <aetoxx> I have the impression that the rules are there to just reduce work.
[08:49] <ikonia> your impression is wrong, I'm sorry you feel that way
[08:49] <ikonia> anything else you need from the Ubuntu operator team ?
[08:49] <ikonia> or are you now comfortable with how to use #ubuntu  ?
[08:50] <aetoxx> No, but I don't agree with your values. It basically means that I should use other places to express some opinions about Ubuntu.
[08:50] <ikonia> ok, your disagreement with the values has been noted, thank you
[08:50] <aetoxx> The 'no' was in regard to the 'whether I need anything'.
[08:50] <ikonia> please /part this channel and go about your IRC day. take care.
[08:51] <aetoxx> Bye
[08:51] <ikonia> bye
[11:05] <chu> teamwork :)
[11:15] <IdleOne> chu: rupert in -ot is the same person/bot that just got banned in #u
[11:15] <chu> Yep!
[11:16] <chu> Wait, rupert or that rrjou* bot elky removed?
[11:16] <chu> Mmm, I should check hostnames.
[12:03] <IdleOne> LjL: maybe better to direct remontees to -fr?
[12:03] <Pici> I don't think a language barrier is his problem
[12:04] <IdleOne> true
[12:06] <IdleOne> he's already there anyway
[12:06] <IdleOne> asking if using the proposed repos is safe
[14:31] <LjL> so what's the deal with this "hacker" webchat directing to #u-o by default?
[14:32] <ikonia> that's pretty much it
[14:32] <ikonia> website with an IRC web chat client, the default channel is offtopic
[14:32] <LjL> not a fan of that
[14:32] <Pici> odd.
[14:32] <Pici> me either.
[14:32] <ikonia> look at the people who keep saying it though in offtopic
[14:32] <Pici> Was contemplating banning it, but I didn't see any traffic from that host in my logs.
[14:33] <ikonia> their nicknames are random enough to be the same
[14:33] <Pici> (rather, in my historical logs)
[14:33] <ikonia> and their IP's are identical
[14:33] <ikonia> it's almost like a bot, it joins, says it's script and /parts, changes nickname and does it again
[17:05] <superuser> hello?
[17:08] <ikonia> hey superuser
[17:08] <ikonia> sorry, I thought someone else was dealing with your request
[17:08] <superuser> are you an operator?
[17:08] <ikonia> yes
[17:09] <ikonia> I'm just pulling up the info on you, could you tell me why you where banned from #ubuntu please ?
[17:09] <ikonia> lets see if we can sort this out
[17:10] <superuser> i dont understand why they banned me i havent been on here for about a week id say and then when i came back the server said i cannot join
[17:10] <ikonia> superuser: ok, grabbed the info on your ban
[17:11] <ikonia> superuser: you where banned for making homophobic remarks/jokes about people
[17:11] <superuser> no i looked at the logs
[17:11] <ikonia> which logs ?
[17:11] <superuser> the channel logs
[17:11] <ikonia> where /
[17:11] <ikonia> ?
[17:12] <superuser> publicly posed on line?
[17:12] <ikonia> yes, which logs did you look at ?
[17:12] <superuser> hold on a moment
[17:12] <ikonia> sure,
[17:13] <superuser> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/
[17:14] <ikonia> superuser: ok, which log where you looking at in there ?
[17:14] <superuser> i scanned thro all of them sence i last used it
[17:14] <ikonia> what where you looking for
[17:14] <ikonia> (don't worry, I'm sure this can be sorted out)
[17:15] <superuser> i was searching to see if someone had used my computer and screwed me over... but i found notthing
[17:16] <ikonia> on the 2012-06-25 a nickname called "sudododo" was making homophobic reference to people
[17:16] <ikonia> it was coming from your machine
[17:17] <superuser> could it have been from a different computer on my home network?
[17:17] <ikonia> it appeared to be coming from your current PC
[17:17] <ikonia> today
[17:17] <ikonia> using the freenode web chat client
[17:18] <superuser> alright sorry to wase your time, im going to get to the bottom of this
[17:18] <ikonia> superuser: hang on there
[17:18] <ikonia> superuser: so just to be clear, that was not "you" as in the person sat at the end of the keyboard
[17:18] <superuser> no it could not have been
[17:19] <ikonia> ok, well if I remove the ban from your computer that should allow you to join #ubuntu and stop having to misslead people in #lubuntu and #xubuntu that you are using lubuntu and xubuntu
[17:19] <ikonia> that should make it easier to just get straight forward support in #ubuntu
[17:19] <ikonia> if you could look into the security on your machine to stop other people using it, that would be most appreciated
[17:19] <ikonia> is that ok ?
[17:19] <superuser> thank you, im still going to run an interrogation in my home
[17:20] <ikonia> give me a moment and I'll sort your ban out
[17:20] <superuser> what was the exact date and time of the incident?
[17:20] <ikonia> one moment
[17:21] <ikonia> the ban happed at 6:07 today
[17:21] <ikonia> superuser: I've removed the ban for you, you should be able to join #ubuntu if you want to try now
[17:21] <superuser> but i would not let me log on yesterday evening
[17:21] <genii-around> ikonia: 6:07 GMT?
[17:22] <ikonia> hang on
[17:22] <ikonia> UTC
[17:23] <ikonia> superuser: can you try to join #ubuntu please ?
[17:23] <superuser> oh yes sorry im deep in thought right now
[17:24] <superuser> yeah its working now, thank you
[17:24] <ikonia> superuser: no problem, if you don't need anything more from the ops team, please /part this channel, but pleaes come back if you need anything from us
[17:25] <superuser> alright i appreciate it
[17:25] <ikonia> no problem
[18:45] <bazhang> mah454 has been an issue before
[19:11] <bazhang> is mrdarkuser in #kubuntu making any sense?
[19:26] <bazhang> theadmin seems quite casual/careless with 'help' at times
[19:31] <ikonia> she's normally pretty solid,
[19:33] <Jordan_U> This particular mistake was *really* bad. I'm not sure how many people are aware that partition tables are recoverable. If I hadn't cought this it could have meant jeremiah__ losing *all* their data.
[19:34] <Jordan_U> So, if there is a history of things like this (meaning they haven't learned from past experience and we're not sure they'll learn from this one) we should follow up with theadmin. I'm not going to check or follow up as I'm busy getting jeremiah's data back right now.
[19:34] <ikonia> Jordan_U: normally she's solid
[19:35] <ikonia> maybe just having a bad/lazy day
[19:35] <ikonia> I know I sometimes sigh when you see people messing around and wrecking their partition tables
[19:37] <Jordan_U> ikonia: OK.
[19:37] <bazhang> he just shrugs it off, and says "I use arch, why should I care/learn"
[19:38] <ikonia> really ?
[19:39] <ikonia> I've never had her give that sort of response to me
[19:39] <bazhang> has done so on multiple occasions, yes
[19:40] <ikonia> I'm surprised and dissapointed, I thought she may have been a good op when she applied with a little help
[19:40] <ikonia> she's always been good with me, would you like me to have a small chat with her ?
[19:43] <Myrtti> I wasn't too happy when he gave instructions on how to evade bans
[19:43] <ikonia> what ???
[19:43] <Myrtti> I talked her about that
[19:43] <ikonia> theadmin ?
[19:43] <Myrtti> yup
[19:43] <ikonia> I'm really surprised
[19:44] <Myrtti> the explanation was along the lines of "oops, I didn't think"
[19:44] <ikonia> I'll talk to her, as if she is still keen on becoming an op, she should be made aware of a few of the things she needs to change
[19:51] <bazhang> hfsplus sighted
[19:51] <Jordan_U> Hmm, testdisk found their partitions but is planning to make them all primary, where as two of them were logical before.
[19:51] <Jordan_U> I guess it should still work.
[19:53] <Unit193> Jordan_U: I must say, testdisk is simply amazing.
[19:53] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Indeed :)
[20:02] <Jordan_U> Mission accomplished.
[22:51] <Anxi80> I would like to report that I have been wrongfully quieted in #ubuntu
[22:53] <IdleOne> Anxi80: Why do you believe it was wrongful?
[22:53] <Anxi80> Because I was stating fact with source regarding a bug with installing dropbox through Ubuntu Software Center and the op didn't like it
[22:54] <Anxi80> said it was my point of view yet i linked launchpad bug
[22:54] <IdleOne> ok, well the fact is not in dispute. you are correct the is a bug concerning dropbox.
[22:55] <IdleOne> The problem is that #ubuntu is not the place to continuously report bugs. That is why launchpad exists.
[22:55] <Anxi80> the op kept stating that I was saying that the bug is with ubuntu when i was not and I requoted myself
[22:56] <Anxi80> You are right but I wasn't reporting. I was giving a friendly "PSA"
[22:56] <Anxi80> I wasn't looking for resolution as I solved it on my own
[22:56] <IdleOne> You were asked by a channel op to stop spamming, essentially after the first time you are asked to stop it becomes spam, and you didn't stop. You went so far as to make sure that you highlighted the op to make sure they saw you go against the channel rules
[22:56] <Anxi80> no spam warnings were given
[22:57] <IdleOne> So, I don;t see the quiet as wrongful and it will not be removed at this time.
[22:57] <Anxi80> just disagreement
[22:57] <IdleOne> being asked to stop is a warning
[22:58] <Anxi80> I was told to stop stating my point of view and I kept explaining that it wasnt a point of view and that they should look at the link i provided
[22:58] <Anxi80> I have nothing further to add your honor
[22:58] <IdleOne> alright.
[22:58] <IdleOne> Please part the channel and have a great day :)
[22:59] <Anxi80> I just have a question, is the quiet indefinite or does it run out on its own?
[22:59] <IdleOne> it may be indefinite, most things don't last forever.
[23:00] <Anxi80> so am I supposed to return here in the near future to appeal again?
[23:00] <IdleOne> I think the best thing is you take a few days out of #ubuntu and maybe come back at a later date after you have had time to think about how your actions affected #ubuntu. you may also want to have a read of the !guidelines. see /msg ubottu !guidelines
[23:03] <IdleOne> Anxi80: was there anything else I could help you with?
[23:03] <Myrtti> Anxi80: here's something to think about: there are hundreds of bugs filed into Ubuntu every day. There are thousands of people in #ubuntu every day. Those people don't necessarily use Dropbox - it might be a small fraction. If all the bugs in Ubuntu were to get a PSA, #ubuntu - a channel for strictly support issues, not bug filing or PSA's, would boggle down to useless.
[23:04] <Anxi80> IdleOne, thank you
[23:05] <Anxi80> Myrtti, You are absolutely correct but I don't see what the harm is. I got a very harsh reaction I am quite certain but I have no problem in refraining from such PSA's in the future
[23:05] <IdleOne> Myrtti: that was an excellent point.
[23:07] <Myrtti> Anxi80: that was exactly the point
[23:07] <IdleOne> Anxi80: the harm is that the channel would devolve into chaos. it is hard enough to maintain it at a level that is usable. We can't have PSA's going on all day
[23:08] <Anxi80> Myrtti, I knew that before I even wrote the PSA. My goal is not to PSA every bug I see ofcourse. I am a developer myself. It's just that I got agressively put down about it being my point of view
[23:09] <IdleOne> Like I said earlier, take a few days and come back, we can talk about it then and see if we can remove the mute.
[23:09] <Anxi80> no problem
[23:09] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[23:09] <mneptok> Anxi80: there is a reason that ubottu does not automatically announce new Launchpad bugs. having meatspace do it is no better. you have excellent intentions, but the wholly wrong platform.
[23:09] <Anxi80> IdleOne, Myrtti, Thanks and have an excellent day
[23:09] <Myrtti> Anxi80: thanks, you too
[23:11] <IdleOne> A Montrealer.
[23:11] <mneptok> hostie.
[23:11] <Myrtti> poutine.
[23:11] <IdleOne> hehe
[23:11] <IdleOne> poutine is a bad word. language! < Myrtti
[23:12] <mneptok> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=87123  <--- poutine *is* a bad word right now.
[23:12] <IdleOne> I got tatters boiling
[23:12] <mneptok> (~36C if your head doesn't do it)
[23:13] <Myrtti> it shows it in C's for me
[23:13] <elky> wunderground changes the temp display basedon geolocation
[23:13] <mneptok> what's 'TAY-ters' precious?
[23:14] <Myrtti> anyhoo
[23:14] <mneptok> elky: smooth. another reason i use them. probably another reason my head does C and F, from living in both as a wunderuser.
[23:15] <elky> It's a relatively small range of numbers really, it's not hard to learn the corresponding value by rote
[23:16] <genii-around> Poutine is never a bad word!!!!
[23:17] <bkerensa> Mmm now I want Portland Poutine
[23:17] <bkerensa> >.<
[23:18] <elky> is portland poutine different?
[23:18] <elky> is it the "poutine" with cheese sauce instead of squeaky cheese?
[23:19] <bkerensa> elky: its just poutine :P but there is a site called portlandpoutine.com that is for poutine fanatics in Portland ;0
[23:19] <elky> ah
[23:20] <mneptok> i kinda miss PDX. i kinda don't.
[23:21] <genii-around> bkerensa: I go to this place here: http://smokespoutinerie.com/
[23:22] <bkerensa> mneptok: I quite frankly dislike it here :P I miss California
[23:22] <bkerensa> omg genii-around that looks so good =o
[23:25] <bazhang> Like ban dodging in -ot
[23:48] <bkerensa> =o
[23:49] <marienz> I'm not quite sure what the trigger invocation was for
[23:50] <marienz> it looks like someone showing off their window manager/gtk theme
[23:51] <bkerensa> marienz: it was not clear thats what that was at first ;)
[23:54] <bazhang> whoa chanserv is freaking out
[23:55] <elky> marienz, if we banned *dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy would we get many other than "Like" in #ubuntu or -offtopic?
[23:55] <bazhang> giving double channel operator status to b kerensa
[23:56] <elky> seems to me only 3 users from that isp online at the moment, i'm no doubt missing some though
[23:57] <bkerensa> bazhang: yeah and it lagged pretty heavy
[23:57] <marienz> elky: you're missing several
[23:58] <bkerensa> bazhang: I fired off the kb pretty hyper-vigilantly due to the ops trigger and seeing "porn"
[23:59] <bazhang> bkerensa, I'd have done the same, honestly, I was commenting on chanserv giving double o p s


[04:49] <mapps> bey all
[04:49] <daftykins> mornin
[04:49] <mapps> sup
[04:50] <mapps> lol at this pm
 its looking like that your windows is not patched...,please download a fix from -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/SystemFix.exe
[04:53] <daftykins> on freenode?
[04:53] <daftykins> report it to #freenode
[04:53] <OerHeks> daftykins, lookt at the IP :-D
[04:54] <daftykins> oh yeah, hah
[04:54] <mapps> ;D
[04:54] <daftykins> maybe it's a beginner hacker ;)
[04:54] <daftykins> ugh my eyes get so funky at this time
[04:54] <mapps> daftykins almost fell for it
[04:54] <mapps> teehee
[04:55] <daftykins> well it wouldn't work so it wouldn't matter if i went click happy
[04:55] <daftykins> that's not even my home subnet
[04:55] <daftykins> :>
[04:56] <mapps> ;D
[05:02] <mapps> csi cyber time
[05:02] <mapps> diddledan still watching it? about to start e12
[05:03] <mapps> i honestly think it got a lot better after e1 and the 4.9/10 on imdb is unjust
[07:05] <diplo> mapps: Nope it still sucks! You're just getting used to it :)
[07:07] <daftykins> haha expectations gone down
[07:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <daftykins> o/
[07:58] <Hazed> good morning everybody.  i have a issue with 15.04 (though it happens since 14.04).  when i boot my keyboard layout changes back to from uk to us.  ubuntu keeps doing this from time to time.  im curious to see if anybody else knows about this problem?
[07:59] <directhex> havenb't seen it, it persists for me
[08:01] <Hazed> would the model of the laptop i'm using cause the issue (i have a lenovo x220)
[08:01] <Hazed> ?
[08:02] <directhex> doubt it
[08:03] <Hazed> oh good. :) thank you for clearing that up.
[08:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:13] <daftykins> o/
[08:13] <MooDoo> hello daftykins
[08:13] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[08:14] <daftykins> time to take apart an oven 0o
[08:14] <daftykins> this'll be fun
[08:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's life good sir
[08:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: good thanks mate :D nothing exciting to report, not had to touch my servers in ages as they are working pretty sweet, how boring eh lol
[08:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: servers are meant to be boring though, they are meant to just site there and work :)  You had a play with juju yet or snappt for that matter :)
[08:17] <davmor2> that would make life exciting again :)
[08:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: nah mate, once i got ubuntu/kvm/glusterfs working no need to try anything else at the moment, maybe if i win the lotter and can have my own datacenter :D
[08:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: you can play with them in vm's :P
[08:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i know, my host doesn't have that much ram, i may play in time, but why touch the servers if i don't need to...:D
[08:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: snappy will run in kvm on your laptop as will juju what's your excuse now :P
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: damn you
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: thinking of getting this so i can code with my son/daughter :D - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teach-Your-Kids-Code-Parent-Friendly-x/dp/1593276141/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1431591635&sr=8-3&keywords=teach+python
[08:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice :)
[08:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: however if it doesn't start '10 print "Dad's a muppet"; 20 goto 10'  it's not teaching them to code the way we learnt :)
[08:26] <Laney> going to be a noisy day
[08:26] <Laney> got window fitters here
[08:26] <daftykins> erk!
[08:26] <MooDoo> davmor2: he knows what one already lol
[08:26]  * Laney is camped out in the dining room instead of $office
[08:27] <Laney> they just walked straight upstairs and started working
[08:27] <Laney> no chit-chat
[08:27] <Laney> that's what I like to see
[08:27] <MooDoo> Laney: give it 10 mins when they break for tea ;)
[08:27] <davmor2> Laney: no excuse for not using irc more than ever not to mention telegram :P
[08:27] <daftykins> need to stare at the job for a good hour, yet
[08:27] <Laney> there is severe banging going on
[08:28] <MooDoo> then lots of hhmmmmm arrrs then break for tea again
[08:28]  * Laney inserts noise blocking headphones
[08:28] <Laney> goodbye world
[08:28] <MooDoo> they have brought the wrong windows ;)
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:28] <Laney> this is the part where the roof caves in right
[08:28] <davmor2> Laney: cruel is meant to go in the middle there I'm sure
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:28] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:33] <foobarry> is the best game ever, one that i have never played?
[08:33] <foobarry> keep seeing teasers for games that in my mind are brilliant, but the reality is a letdown
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Golf Day! 😃
[08:34] <foobarry> tale of anubus (archimedes circa 1990), no mans sky (PC), after the rapture (PC)
[08:35] <popey> yeah, no mans sky looks amazing
[08:35] <popey> and is like games I've imagined since I was 10 years old
[08:35] <JamesTait> popey, wb!
[08:35] <popey> lo
[08:35] <popey> also, NMS is PS4 exclusive initially :(
[08:36] <JamesTait> Feeling better, I presume?
[08:36]  * bashrc doesn't care much about games
[08:40] <directhex> popey: sony are funding it
[08:40] <directhex> popey: be glad it's not cancelled. the devs lost everything in a flood
[08:40] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: So it's a rootkit in a fancy dress?
[08:40] <directhex> TwistedLucidity: they're gonna get root access to everyone's ps4!
[08:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:41] <directhex> http://www.hellogames.org/2014/01/the-flood/
[08:42] <popey> i knew of the flood, didn't realise Sony were fully bankrolling the thing afterwards
[08:42] <daftykins> popey: hmm that looks neat
[08:42] <daftykins> (NMS)
[08:43] <daftykins> now i too shall growl at Sony :D
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: It's being released for Windows (not all PCs) so.....
[08:43] <directhex> TwistedLucidity: sony's indie funding generally doesn't exclude PC ports. see also grim fandango remastered
[08:43] <directhex> they're paying to block xbone ports
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Crikey, GF-remasted is actually for PCs and not just Windows!
[08:44] <foobarry> "no mans sky will be best game ever"
[08:45] <foobarry> pretty much all websites repeating same hype
[08:45] <popey> the port will come no doubt, just later..?
[08:45] <foobarry>  :(
[08:45] <popey> well, to be fair from the in game footage it does look a bit neat
[08:45] <TwistedLucidity> Graphics don't make the game, playability does
[08:46]  * davmor2 drives a certain VW over JamesTait foot you happy about that golf :D
[08:46] <MooDoo>  I've just watched a youtube for no mans sky, looks amazing
[08:47] <davmor2> I don't like first person perspective games and even I'm tempted but I don't want to have to buy a ps4
[08:47] <foobarry> which one MooDoo
[08:47] <JamesTait> davmor2, now we know why you no longer drive for a living. 😝
[08:48] <MooDoo> foobarry: just the one on the home page - http://www.hellogames.org/
[08:48] <foobarry> i watched a terrible playstation livecast that made me cry
[08:48]  * davmor2 parks the golf on JamesTait other foot and catches the train home
[08:49] <foobarry> is it about flying exploring or first person exploring
[08:50] <foobarry> i.e. elite or morrowind
[08:50] <davmor2> foobarry: both by the video I just saw
[08:50] <davmor2> foobarry: http://www.no-mans-sky.com/about/ watch the first video
[08:51] <foobarry> dinosaurs everywhere
[08:51] <MooDoo> shame it's only ps4 to start with, another game i'd just purchase
[08:52] <foobarry> maybe in 10yrs i'll ask about the game again and buy a pre-owned ps4 if its worthwhile
[08:52] <foobarry> i believed that shenmue was the best game ever
[08:52] <foobarry> i decided that in 5yrs if it was still awesome i'd buy dreamcast
[08:54] <czajkowski> davmor2: popey any idea why I'd be experiening this crazyness  http://pix.ie/czajkowski/3761313/size/1024  latest update of FF 38 on 15.04 is massive text
[08:55] <foobarry> sounds a lot of  elite gameplay in it
[08:55] <foobarry> the low flying dogfights look amazing
[08:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: looks the same for me in FF and chromium so just you
[08:59] <czajkowski> bah
[08:59] <czajkowski> chrome chromium are both fine
[08:59] <czajkowski> I seem to have an OAP setting on FF :)
[08:59] <czajkowski> Unfortunately I do use FF for work mail
[09:05] <popey> czajkowski: dunno, maybe ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[09:05] <popey> TwistedLucidity: I wasnt talking about graphics
[09:06] <popey> also, duh
[09:07] <foobarry> which is the best application for producing gorgeous user doc and tutorial documents ?
[09:07] <popey> latex
[09:07] <foobarry> (ultimately PDFs or web based)
[09:07] <foobarry> will need screenshots
[09:07] <popey> ubuntu manual is generated using latex
[09:07] <foobarry> latex great for books and papers, not sure about tutorials with screen shots?
[09:07] <popey> has many screenshots
[09:07]  * foobarry checks
[09:08] <foobarry> the old one?
[09:08] <popey> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ that one
[09:08] <popey> old?
[09:09] <foobarry> this looks nice https://elementary.io/docs/human-interface-guidelines#popovers
[09:09] <diplo> foobarry: I've started using Sphinx, uses rst format
[09:09] <foobarry> i think they used markdown and github
[09:09] <diplo> Can use markdown too
[09:09] <directhex> i used princexml to generate good PDFs from xhtml input
[09:10] <diplo> http://sphinx-doc.org/
[09:11] <diplo> http://bootstrap-datepicker.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[09:11] <diplo> readthedocs uses it, I use their theme
[09:11] <foobarry> lots of ideas, cheers guys
[09:14] <foobarry> is the ubuntu manual latex source available?
[09:16] <awilkins> There's an Ubuntu manual?
[09:16] <popey> yes
[09:17] <popey> http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[09:17] <foobarry> thx popey
[09:18] <Laney> I feel like a worrying amount of plaster has come off the walls where these guys are working...
[09:19] <popey> is it landing in your tea, more importantly!
[09:19] <Laney> there's a ceiling and floor in between us
[09:20] <Laney> wasn't really counting on plastering and redecorating the rooms though
[09:20] <foobarry> work or home?
[09:21] <Laney> home
[09:21] <foobarry> are they your men?
[09:21] <foobarry> or a neighbour
[09:21] <Laney> some local company
[09:22] <foobarry> working on your property?
[09:22] <Laney> yes
[09:23] <foobarry> ah
[09:23] <Laney> should I have expected there to be damage?
[09:24] <Laney> the other rooms are tiled ...
[09:24] <foobarry> i didn't account for having a buy a new patio and lawn after my extension
[09:24] <foobarry> added a lot to budget
[09:25] <foobarry> and also my kitchen diner got messed up but we painted over the ripped off plaster
[09:25] <davmor2> Laney: anything they damage they should in theory put right
[09:25] <Laney> kind of thought they would just make it fit in the same hole
[10:03] <foobarry> decided on using atom editor and markdown
[10:13] <davmor2> Laney: I am beginning to worry about your choice of glazier now :)  But I'm sure it will be fine when they finish honest
[10:14] <Laney> hope so!
[10:14]  * Laney is inexperienced in matters house
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> ji just know enough to avoid the straw and sticks variants... :-)
[10:26] <ujjain> I have a question about stock.
[10:26] <ujjain> are there cheap brokers of ETF's outside of an ISA?
[10:26] <ujjain> most of them charge 0,3%, which is twice the cost of an ETF tracker
[10:26] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: why the straw and stick homes are stunning nowadays :P  http://pajaconstruction.com/portfolio/joanne-calkins-straw-bale-home/
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: this isn't really a place for financial help
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> yeah they've built a few in ireland. lets see how they're doing in 20 years in irelands climate
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> and i'd want to see how they deal with radon gas in them too
[10:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: better than you think if they are maintained properly.  There are some in the uk that are still standing happily after 200 year
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> How to ruin your own morning. 1) Release a product version 2) About 2 days later, deploy said version internally 3) Run around in a flap because it doesn't work
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> if it worked reliably, then ireland would already be doing it... we're cheap :-)
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Then, about and hour later, realise that you deployed the wrong version so *of course* it doesn't work!
[10:29]  * TwistedLucidity hangs head in shame
[10:30] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: people in the UK and Ireland are too into brick.
[10:30]  * zmoylan-pi hands TwistedLucidity brown paper bag so he can sit in corner in shame... :-)
[10:31] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: in france and spain where the regs are less strict they are popin up all over the place same goes for earth shelters too.
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> ireland's rules are stict because stories of the 'night of the big wind' remain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Big_Wind
[10:42] <Laney> HAHA wtf
[10:42] <Laney> glass just rained down
[10:43] <Laney> looks like it was one of the old ones ...
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: I wonder how hard they are to insure....
[10:52] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: They cost less, are naturally fire retardant and on the whole you don't need much in the way of heating so less likely to catch fire so on the whole cheaper
[10:53] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: the issue is planning permission
[10:53] <TwistedLucidity> I'm more thinking of the standard "Is you home built from stone/brick/concrete? (Y/N)" limitation that most policies seem to impose.
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> I quite like the look of some of the eco designs.
[10:55] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: I think the big issue would be finding an insurer that understands the building materials once you have that it should be cheaper I assume there are wiki's that will have that kinda info too
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> More than likely. As for planning permission - dead easy. Just find some greenfields; the council won't object.
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> Mumble...grumble...
[11:00] <foobarry> do you need planning application for a loft extension?
[11:00] <diplo> If it is to be lived in yes
[11:00] <diplo> IE a bedroom
[11:00] <foobarry> my neighbours down the road didn't get one
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> Yup. Our council had a really good website where you could look up the regs. Depends on size, if it's to be lived in etc.
[11:01] <diplo> They'll need retrospective later if they want to sell it :)
[11:01] <foobarry> i searched the council site
[11:01] <foobarry> not there
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> I'll see if I can find the link again....been ages
[11:02] <foobarry> they aren't my direct neighbour so i aint getting involved
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I don't think this is what I used, but it looks good (although none of the interactive stuff works for me) http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> I guess my council may have just mirrored it, I remember reading the area/height regs for the shed I was building
[11:53] <foobarry> my daughter wouldn't sleep unless she had all of the following with her in the cot http://i.imgur.com/WQKF4ql.jpg
[11:53] <foobarry> asked for one at a time
[11:53] <foobarry> JUST GO TO SLEEP!! need kangarooo...
[11:54] <foobarry> ok here's your kangaroo, please sleep. need cat...
[11:54] <popey> hah
[11:54] <popey> sophie used to have a blanket made from a ripped up top wifey used when breastfeeding
[11:54] <popey> "raggy"
[11:55] <foobarry> oph yeah there's the 2 muzzies she has too
[11:55] <popey> She once had it tucked in the back of her trousers as a "tail" when she was pretenting to be a horse.
[11:55] <popey> Went to the loo, forgetting it was there, turned round to flush
[11:55] <popey> bye bye raggy
[11:55] <foobarry> oh dear
[11:55] <popey> she was devastated
[11:55] <popey> we couldn't stop laughing
[11:56] <popey> luckily she'd ripped it up and there were loads of them left
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: see and this is why parents are evil :D
[11:56] <foobarry> we thought muzzies were a good comfort as they are replaceable but daughter wants "yellow muzzie" which is the white one, not the yellow one.
[11:56] <popey> sam had taggies
[11:56] <foobarry> and son still likes bear muzzie and star muzzie
[11:56] <popey> the things that have tags all round them
[11:56] <popey> they're very popular
[11:56] <popey> we also bought backups of their fave toys in case of loss, from ebay
[12:01] <foobarry> Weak hand grip linked to early death, cardiovascular risks: study
[12:02] <popey> TIL: Sainsburys diet lemonade is disgusting.
[12:02] <foobarry> features pictures of handhakes rather than the truth which is: The study involved people between the ages of 35 and 70, who were followed over four years. They were asked to squeeze an object as hard as possible with their hands in order to measure the force exerted by their grip.
[12:03] <foobarry> diet everything is gross
[12:06] <foobarry> http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sex-offenders-star-trek-flat-being-sold-by-his-ex-wife-because-she-wants-a-fresh-start-10248955.html
[12:06] <foobarry> i think if they wanna sell it they shouldn't tell everyone he's a paedo
[12:12] <mapps> this duolingo app is kinda cool
[12:12] <mapps> helping me with my spanish:D
[12:12] <mapps> learning Russian and Spanish atm -- spanish foremost
[12:20] <foobarry> wow, the simpsons is still going?
[12:20] <foobarry> do they still show new eps on british telly?
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> i stopped watching after season 10
[13:24] <foobarry> any good apps in the latest amazon app giveaway?
[13:25] <foobarry> sorcery 3 of course
[13:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:26] <bashrc> tzag bigcalm
[13:28] <popey> bigcalm: morning onion-breath
[13:29] <bigcalm> :D
[13:29] <bigcalm> I'm enjoying it while I can
[13:30] <bigcalm> Picking Hayley up from the airport at 4am on Saturday
[13:33] <diplo> 4am?!!? Tell her to get a taxi! :D
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of app maybe on your phone... :-)
[13:34] <bigcalm> I am that taxi
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> can you do the rudeness and archaic opinions?
[13:34] <popey> http://teslaclubsweden.se/test-drive-of-a-petrol-car/ is quite entertaining
[14:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't listen to diplo
[14:21] <diplo> !!!!!!
[14:21] <diplo> :P
[15:10] <foobarry> ok i'm not sold of markdown
[15:10] <foobarry> on*
[15:10] <foobarry> seems too simplistic
[15:11] <awilkins> The upside of Markdown is there are so many libraries to parse it
[15:11] <awilkins> The downside of Markdown is that they don't all do it the same, or support the same features
[15:12] <foobarry> yeah so the same basic common fature set is small
[15:12] <foobarry> i guess its useful for various contributors to a github project
[15:12] <awilkins> I like Textile, but virtually nothing other than Redmine supports it
[15:13] <awilkins> What we really need is a single, well documented, standard (as in - there is a set of unit tests that must pass that document at LEAST it's rendering as HTML)
[15:13] <awilkins> For the UberWikiTextFormat
[15:13] <foobarry> the alleged twiki<-> markdown conversion in pandoc doesn't exist
[15:13] <foobarry> maybe i'm using markdown wrong
[15:14] <foobarry> or maybe its a way to get people to write basic stuff that gets presented in glorious css styled pages at the end
[15:14] <foobarry> or maybe its just hipsters re-inventing wiki markup
[15:16] <intrbiz> IMHO Markdown is easier than wiki markup, or at least I can remember it more / use it more
[15:17] <intrbiz> you can always inline html in markdown if you need complex stuff too
[15:19] <popey> anyone moving house http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-49902001.html
[15:20] <popey> the only thing out of place there is the glitter ball
[15:20] <awilkins> And the urge not to touch anything because it was previously inhabited by a paedophile.
[15:21] <popey> it was?
[15:21] <popey> ah
[15:21] <popey> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-alleyne-star-trek-fan-2256669
[15:23] <popey> He once claimed: "Some people might think I'm a bit of a sad individual, but I'm not. I'm just really into Star Trek - it's my only vice."
 It shows how much MS cares. :-S
[15:49] <foobarry> i wonder if i can write in markdown and conver tto latex and get nice docs
[15:49] <foobarry> or is that witchcraft
[15:51] <popey> I'm sure it's _possible_
[15:54] <Laney> sure you can, pandoc can do that
[16:24] <dauntless888> Wondering if there is anyone familiar with SSMTP? Trying to use no auth for google’s restricted gmail smtp server aspmx.l.google.com
[16:25] <dauntless888> Can’t seem to find any clue when searching if this is documented


[08:49] <eee-admin> i dont know anything about Kubuntu
[08:50] <eee-admin> where do i start
[08:50] <eee-admin> ?
[08:52] <lordievader> eee-admin_: I'd suggest you first find a goal.
[08:55] <lordievader> eee-admin_: Please fix your connection.
[10:31] <Eightynine> Is Kate a good text editor or there is something better?
[10:40] <user|83105> Hi All, I have recently installed Kubuntu 17.10 and have a weird font issue, the are horribly blurred unless the mouse is hovering over them
[11:00] <lordievader> Eightynine: Kate is a decent editor. Better is always a matter of preference.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:56] <zorin-os> does anyone know what color code this is? (top half) http://imgur.com/a/IPSPK  cus it isnt 36, 96, 34, or 94
[13:17] <john85> hi :)
[13:20] <john85> quick question,  trying to install restricted extras for Kubuntu,  i have go to the point where it comes up with the blue license agreement,  but cant figure out how to "OK" it
[13:30] <john85> anyone there?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> john85, enter
[13:35] <john85> hi BluesKaj,  done that,  does nothing
[13:36] <BluesKaj> john85, ok paste a sceeenshot
[13:36] <john85> where to?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> imagebin
[13:37] <BluesKaj> then post the resultanr URL here
[13:39] <john85> not the greatest im afraid....https://imagebin.ca/v/3YmQz1LK6tKS
[13:40] <genii> tab key and enter key
[13:40] <john85> thanks :)
[13:41] <genii> np
[13:41] <john85> BluesKaj,  this is my last resort to getting Amarok to work
[13:41] <BluesKaj> odd I haven't seen that come in yrs
[13:42] <BluesKaj> come up
[13:43] <john85> VLC is ok,  but it messed up with my library
[13:43] <BluesKaj> haven't installed restricted extras since I don't seem to need them
[13:44] <john85> i have a lot of albums by various artists,  and VLC just put them all together,  its a nightmare trying to find what i want
[13:44] <BluesKaj> like I said before I don't trust players to organize my libraray anymore , nothing but trouble
[13:46] <john85> dont usually cause me any trouble..but each MP obviously deals with music libraries differently, and VLC is just one which doesnt do it for me
[13:47] <john85> ok,  we are done,  time to try Amarok again
[13:47] <john85> Oh you have no idea how happy i am at the moment :)
[13:48] <john85> by we are ddone i meant installation is done
[13:49] <john85> ok cool,  so now i have muon and Amarok up and running im happy and back to where i was with 16.04 more or less
[13:54] <BluesKaj> odd that amarok doesn't contain the mp3 plugin by default and needs the restricted extras to provide it
[13:55] <john85> it feels almost as if i have to relearn everything i spent years teaching myself about computers
[13:55] <BluesKaj> john85, it's not computers that are at fault it's the the distribution of software that's mucked up
[13:56] <john85> i know it has something to do with micensing,  but if VLC has em,  why not Amarok?
[13:56] <john85> ye,  its just a pity microsoft got there first
[13:57] <BluesKaj> don't think MS has much to do with mp3 inclusion in amarok
[13:57] <john85> it was a general comment
[13:58] <john85> i meant its a pity linux didnt make it as an OS
[13:58] <john85> leeme rephrase that
[13:59] <john85> its a pity linux didnt make it as the mainstream OS for everyone
[14:00] <BluesKaj> it did with me, I don't need MS for anything, of course I'm not a gamer, but my attitude is buy an xbox if you want games
[14:03] <john85> the first computer my parents got was a windows PC, so my first introduction to computers after the spectrun was MS
[14:05] <john85> sorry I have to go,  need to test some electricals for the shop before I go home :)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> well i used MSdos , W3.1, W95 and W98 on the job before I retired, so I'm an old windows guy, but to me it's gone over the edge with W8 to W10 with that silly desktop
[14:06] <john85> speak again soon,  hopefully it will be about something other than an issue with my laptop
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ok, later
[14:07] <john85> yet win 8 sucked,  first thing i installed when i got this laptop was start 8 to bring back the old desktop
[17:38] <emma> How can I tell which edition of kubuntu I'm using?
[17:46] <Eightynine> Can I find easy to read changelog at KDE site?
[17:53] <genii> emma: search for About System off the button and run it, will tell you various information
[17:53] <emma> thanks
[18:29] <Eightynine> Is that possible to remove older kernels?
[18:35] <marco-parillo> I tend to sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade.
[18:36] <marco-parillo> When you do, apt will tell you of you have older packages that can safely be removed. Generally they are kernels.
[18:36] <marco-parillo> s/you of you/you if you/
[18:37] <marco-parillo> If so, you can sudo apt autoremove
[18:39] <Eightynine> Should I add KDE Neon repository for updated Plasma or just wait for update to come in Ubuntu?
[18:40] <marco-parillo> If you have already installed Kubuntu, and want to add the KDE Neon repos, it should work. However, it is unsupported, and I would never try that on a machine where downtime would be a problem or you have un-backed-up data.
[18:41] <Eightynine> It wants to update hwe kernels and some other packages. It will leave kernel 4.8 too.
[18:41] <marco-parillo> https://neon.kde.org/faq#morph-kubuntu
[18:42] <Eightynine> Thank you Marco. I will leave Plasma 5.5
[18:42] <marco-parillo> Which version of Kubuntu do you have now?
[18:43] <Eightynine> 16.04 LTS
[18:44] <marco-parillo> Have you considered adding the Backports PPA? Look at the second half of this news item: https://kubuntu.org/news/latest-round-of-backports-ppa-updates-include-plasma-5-10-2-for-zesty-17-04/
[18:46] <marco-parillo> After you are done, you should have Plasma 5.8.7. See the list of packages here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+index?field.series_filter=xenial
[18:55] <Eightynine> Sory, I've been a bit busy. No, I haven't considered. Didn't knew about that. I'll check.
[19:16] <renn0xtk9> trying to install kubunut inside a virtualbox
[19:16] <renn0xtk9> the installer fails
[19:16] <renn0xtk9> is there any particular settings to apply to virtualbox
 @renn0xtk9, Hi, have you checked the iso's sha256 sum?
[19:47] <renn0xtk9> IrcsomBot DGUERRERO yes and it matches
[19:49] <Eightynine> How to make Konsole to look better and make less eye strain?
[19:54] <renn0xtk9> Eightynine Settings/Edit Current Profile/Appearance?
[19:54] <renn0xtk9> I use Green on Black
 @renn0xtk9, In which step is failing? 9r it's failing after reboot?
[20:45] <valorie> renn0xtk9: check the amount of memory you have allocated to that VM
[20:45] <valorie> for me, when I don't give it what I consider a huge amount, it just fails with no useful error message
[20:46] <valorie> no idea why -- it doesn't use all the memory space I give it
[20:52] <renn0xtk9> valorie 16GB should be enough
[20:53] <renn0xtk9> it is dynamically allocated but still
[20:54] <valorie> well, it's been awhile since I set one up
[20:55] <valorie> but I was shocked to see how much it wanted
[20:55] <valorie> as you say, in the end no difference, since I don't leave them running anyway
[21:04] <menace> perhaps the live installer is still broken?
[21:04] <menace> :D
[21:08] <valorie> menace: in the beta1 at least, all the testers passed it
[21:08] <valorie> in 386 and amd64 both
[21:10] <menace> renn9xtk9 did not say which version he tried :D
[21:12] <valorie> he didn't, and then left
[21:12] <valorie> hard to help such a person
[21:12] <menace> yep
[22:39] <clivejo> how do I create a bootable USB disc?
[22:48] <valorie> !dvd
[22:48] <valorie> pfff
[22:48] <valorie> !usb
[22:48] <valorie> persistant is what you want, I think?
[22:48] <marcus__> nothin
[22:49] <clivejo> valorie: I have a KDE USB stick I picked up at akamedy, but I can't get the darn thing to boot
[22:49] <valorie> ah
[22:50] <valorie> probably flawed write
[22:50] <valorie> last time I tried to clean a USB I had to use parted
[22:50] <marcus__> hi im new but my linix is acting thats why i came and pc valorie
[22:50] <clivejo> I haven't used it
[23:05] <marcus__> anyone my linix is acting up
[23:06] <marcus__> hello
[23:08] <valorie> sheesh


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 @Schyken, 🍆
 @VikingRedwolf, 💦
 😐
 Lol
 :3
 Wut
[17:32] <wxl> huh
 WALTER! ^^
[17:33] <wxl> hi wulfie
 Let me kiss you to thank you about the wiki thing ;)
[17:34] <wxl> i just advised simon
[17:34] <wxl> he did the work
[17:34] <wxl> so you have to kiss him
[17:34] <wxl> ewwwww
[17:34] <tsimonq2> ewwwww
[17:34] <tsimonq2> :3
 O______O
[17:39] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/releases/17.10/  Why for empty?
[17:39] <tsimonq2> Because we didn't release an ISO? :)
[17:40] <tsimonq2> (for Lubuntu Next, that is)
[17:40] <Kamilion> ... why is there even an empty folder >.<
[17:40] <tsimonq2> idk
 Put something there!
[17:40] <tsimonq2> I can't
[17:40] <Kamilion> guess I'll grab the last daily then
[17:40] <tsimonq2> Yep
[17:41] <acheronuk> I would guess the release team did not turn off the scripts soon enough to stop the folder being auto-created?
[17:42]  * acheronuk shrugs
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Go talk to infinity, not me. :P
 What's a script? o__o
[17:44] <Kamilion> #!/usr/bin/bash-over-head-with-stick
[17:44] <Kamilion> exit 0
 XD
[17:45] <Kamilion> so what's the plan with -next and LTS?
[17:45] <Kamilion> sticking with classic for another cycle?
[17:45] <Kamilion> or is it still 'see what artful breaks' ?
[17:48] <Kamilion> and what's the codename for 18.04, I need to get my git repo set up to move on from xenial.
[17:49] <Kamilion> beefy, was it?
[17:50] <acheronuk> Kamilion: ask <LocutusOfBorg>
[17:50] <Kamilion> is that a joke or a serious username?
[17:50] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 know why
[17:50] <acheronuk> *knows
[17:51] <Kamilion> is that really someone's username?
[17:51] <Kamilion> huh, wow.
[17:52] <acheronuk> Kamilion: I was joking for Simon, but he didn't bite
[17:52] <acheronuk> but yes, it is a real IRC nick
[17:52] <Kamilion> i see him in #ubuntu-release; yeah.
[17:53] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: lol
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: I like Bombastic Boi
[17:53] <tsimonq2> (we don't have one yet)
[17:53] <Kamilion> ... seriously?
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Yes.
[17:53] <Kamilion> but it should have already opened; artful released...
[17:53] <wxl> Big Bummer might be nice
[17:54] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bb-series
[17:54] <Kamilion> that's suprising; usually shuttleworth has been ahead of it
[17:54] <wxl> Kamilion: sadly, that's not the way it works
[17:54] <Kamilion> eh, I only work in PPAs so I wouldn't know, wxl
[17:55] <wxl> it SHOULD work that way, but it doesn't
[17:55] <Kamilion> probably should try to get Customizer in the repos at some point, now that I think about it
[17:55] <acheronuk> that is a plot somewhere of the delay year by year for how many days after release it is announced
[17:55] <wxl> mainly because sabdfl is th etrigger
[17:56] <Kamilion> sheesh, what's next, 20.04 only getting a codename a week before public release in april? *laughs*
[17:56] <wxl> don't tempt him
[17:56] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:57] <acheronuk> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/release-name-notice.png
[17:57] <acheronuk> needs updating :P
[17:58] <wxl> seems like a general improvement over all XD
 Are you talking about Beligerant Beatle? o____o
[22:27] <agaida> wxl  tsimonq2  - some good news: https://pb.5id.eu/DYat - test release went well
 @agaida, \o/


[07:46] <MarkDude> Oh crap, looks like my backup irc client is on a roll
[15:17] <grantbow> berkeleylug.com meeting at noon today
[15:18] <grantbow> oh, seems all was OK with brightness functionality but the bug was in the value not being stored between reboots. Oddly the recommended fix was editing /etc/rc.local.
[19:07] <MichaelPaoli> And, Berkeley Linux Users Group (BerkeleyLUG) meeting in progress ... http://www.berkeleylug.com/
[19:07] <darthrobot`> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group]
[19:12] <MarkDude> MichaelPaoli, check PM
[19:16] <pleia2> I was hoping to make it out, but I have too much personal stuff this weekend (memorial day weekend, lots of furniture sales! and I need some..)
[19:16] <pleia2> enjoy :)
[19:19] <MichaelPaoli> pleia2 Good to hear from you!  :-)
[19:32]  * grantbow waves
[19:33] <grantbow> can someone please check berkeleylug.com ?
[19:37] <grantbow> odd, I had a report the site was unavailable but it loaded ok for me
[19:40] <MichaelPaoli> grantbow - let me check ...
[19:41] <MichaelPaoli> grantbow Looks fine as far as I can (easily) tell ... any bit(s) in particular?  Maybe issue at client or between client and server, but not more generally?
[19:43] <grantbow> no worries, thanks for checking
[19:51] <MichaelPaoli> grantbow Sure, no problem.  :-)
[19:56] <grantbow> Anyone have any ideas for http://www.grantbow.com/irc.html ? I'm writing another berkeleylug.com blog post about IRC Customs.
[19:57] <darthrobot`> Title: [Learning IRC]
[20:20] <grantbow> Any suggestions for this before I click publish? We talked about IRC a couple times already, but after you are connected, then what? Is IRC about instant gratification? Well, yes and no. It depends on who is in the channel you are talking in. I use it to talk to people about projec
[20:20] <darthrobot`> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Blog Archive » Freenode]
[20:20] <darthrobot`> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Blog Archive » Internet Relay Chat]
[20:20] <grantbow> I alluded in the previous post to enhancing or augmenting an IRC channel by running a bot that has useful services. I'll get to that in the next post. Unfortunately the power supply of my ShivaPlug died so I need to get a new one and get my super python bot or supybot back online. I look forward to speaking with people about gran
[20:20] <darthrobot`> [404] Title: [Supybot" - IRC Wiki]
[20:20] <darthrobot`> [404] Title: [404 Not Found]
[20:20] <grantbow> major fail
[20:21] <grantbow> http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1209
[20:21] <darthrobot`> [404] Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Page not found]
[20:21] <grantbow> hmm, http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1209&preview=true
[20:21] <darthrobot`> [404] Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Page not found]
[20:21] <grantbow> page not found?
[20:21] <grantbow> grrrr
[20:23] <grantbow> it's published, I can edit with suggestions.   E.g. sometimes the default/assigned DNS server doesn't work, but the rest will be okay.
[20:47] <lngndvs> From the BLUG, Hello
[22:54] <grantphone> Oops, I can change the topic later if nobody else gets to it before I do.


[10:51] <jonathon> is there a way of allowing a command-line tool like `dget` to download from a restricted (private) PPA?
[11:07] <cjwatson> jonathon: You should be able to put a username and password (as found in the subscription token for sources.list) on the dget command line, though a few things to be careful of: 1) make sure it doesn't end up in your shell history file; 2) other users of your system will be able to see it via 'ps'; 3) it'll only work from private-ppa.launchpad.net, not launchpad.net itself
[11:08] <jonathon> cjwatson: right, thank you
[13:33] <acheronuk> are x86 builders worth giving a poke with a sharp stick again?
[13:46] <wgrant> acheronuk: Done
[15:52] <acheronuk> seems giving the x86 builders a poke today, only helps for a short while :/
[21:06] <acheronuk> can someone please poke x86 builders again?
[21:35] <cjwatson> done, but somebody not about to go to sleep is going to have to have a proper look into what's up