[12:04] <MrMazda> don't hafta buy blanks
[12:04] <ogra> but you need internet access
[12:04] <MrMazda> true
[12:04] <ogra> my boss is african ;)
[12:05] <MrMazda> POTS?
[12:05] <ogra> there its hard to get even power, forget about more than a phoneline to go online ...
[12:05] <lucasvo> MrMazda: internetaccess (dsl) costs 50 bucks a month, this is fare more expansive than 1 blank for 1 $
[12:05] <MrMazda> I hear DSL in parts of Europe cheaper than POTS
[12:06] <lucasvo> yes it is
[12:06] <ogra> i pay about 10 for the line and about 20 for the flatrate ...
[12:06] <lucasvo> in CH for e.g.
[12:06] <MrMazda> lucky
[12:06] <lucasvo> I pay 50 for flatrate + Line
[12:06] <MrMazda> I pay $42 US total/mo
[12:06] <ogra> could be cheaper if i wouldnt live in the middle of nowhere
[12:06] <MrMazda> cabul, not DSL
[12:06] <MrMazda> pretty fast
[12:06] <lucasvo> cityflat :D
[12:07] <lucasvo> MrMazda: how fast?
[12:07] <ogra> cable is great if you dont have millions of users on one line
[12:07] <lucasvo> I have 600kbit up 150 kbit down
[12:07] <MrMazda> CD takes less than 40 minute download
[12:07] <MrMazda> unless server slow
[12:07] <ogra> yup
[12:07] <ogra> thats nice :)
[12:07] <MrMazda> makes FTP installs fast
[12:08] <lucasvo> my shipit connection takes about 3 weeks to download cd's :D
[12:08] <ogra> i'm at the very end of the line here ... 768k is the biggest i can get
[12:08] <lucasvo> ogra: skyDSL :D
[12:08] <MrMazda> wget usually shows me just under 600
[12:08] <ogra> but thats the price i like to pay for the view ;)
[12:09] <lucasvo> ogra: ronja/wifi can give you connection for 15km, maybe there you would get a better connection?
[12:09] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/gallery/pano/
[12:09] <lucasvo> wow, that's really out of nowhere
[12:09] <ogra> lucasvo, yes, but i'd need someone to be the upstream for it and still several hops to get over the hills
[12:12] <MrMazda> should it be ready for the restart yet?
[12:12] <ogra> it should telly you ...
[12:12] <ogra> -y
[12:12] <MrMazda> I'm downstairs, it's upstairs
[12:12] <ogra> ah, k
[12:13] <ogra> 30 min is a good time to have a look i think ... +/- 10 min for the slower HW
[12:15] <lucasvo> ogra: is there already a client for s-c-p
[12:15] <lucasvo> ogra: will there be any?
[12:15] <ogra> client ?
[12:15] <lucasvo> which has control over the X session
[12:16] <lucasvo> or won't it be able to change the Xserver?
[12:16] <ogra> what for ?
[12:16] <lucasvo> blank a screen?
[12:16] <lucasvo> show video?
[12:16] <ogra> thats a thing to do with the screensaver
[12:16] <lucasvo> ah ok
[12:17] <lucasvo> and how do you want to activate screensaver?
[12:17] <ogra> forget about video in ltap
[12:17] <ogra> ltsp
[12:17] <lucasvo> why?
[12:17] <ogra> becuse you wont make it work fluid ...
[12:17] <lucasvo> too slow?
[12:17] <ogra> too much data foling over the netlink
[12:18] <ogra> *flowing
[12:18] <ogra> video or GL are things you cnt solve without running stuff locally on the client
[12:19] <MrMazda> CD ejected
[12:19] <ogra> great :)
[12:20] <MrMazda> the F[3-7]  screens should have the word "workstation" somewhere
[12:20] <ogra> yup
[12:20] <ogra> my bad
[12:20] <ogra> its pretty different in dapper already
[12:20] <ogra> since we use gfxboot for the CD ...
[12:20] <ogra> suse very friendlytweaked it for us to work in ubuntu ;)
[12:21] <MrMazda> SuSE my favorite Linux installer
[12:21] <lucasvo> yast2 ?
[12:21] <MrMazda> Mandriva good too
[12:21] <ogra> but it only runs on x86
[12:21] <MrMazda> FC sux
[12:21] <MrMazda> package selection part of FC very limited
[12:21] <MrMazda> no search
[12:21] <ogra> we support 5 arches ... so we need something that work on all of them
[12:22] <ogra> *works
[12:22] <MrMazda> Xandros installer nice, but very simple
[12:23] <ogra> the ubuntu/debian installer is the most powerful one that exists ... but you sadly have to live with the bluescreen ...
[12:23] <MrMazda> why isn't Firefox on the Kubuntu CD?
[12:23] <ogra> it isnt ?
[12:23] <MrMazda> it wasn
[12:23] <MrMazda> it wasn't installed
[12:24] <ogra> i didnt know that ... i only help riddell to test the liveCD sometimes, but that doesnt go beyond testing if it boots and starting 1-2 apps
[12:25] <MrMazda> doesn't matter, I use mozilla.org builds any way -> http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/unix/dpi.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/
[12:25] <ogra> thats fine for kubuntu, but i wouldnt do that in ubuntu/edubuntu
[12:26] <MrMazda> from /usr/local
[12:26] <MrMazda> I leave the distro builds alone
[12:26] <ogra> yes, but there is much stuff linked against firefox ... i.e. the gnoem helpsystem
[12:27] <ogra>  /usr/local/lib will overrde /usr/lib
[12:27] <MrMazda> right, so I leave all that undisturbed, and just run from /usr/local/firefox
[12:27] <MrMazda> not installed, untarred
[12:27] <ogra> ah, only the binary
[12:27] <ogra> that should be fine ..
[12:28] <MrMazda> works fine everywhere else that has the legacy libs available
[12:28] <ogra> yup
[12:29] <MrMazda> http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/ports/os2/index.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/
[12:30] <lucasvo> hi crimsun_
[12:30] <crimsun_> hi
[12:30] <crimsun_> wonky coffee shop wifi ;)
[12:30] <ogra> hehe
[12:31] <lucasvo> is there anything like alt-tab for switching from different apps from different desktops?
[12:37] <lucasvo> how can I open a shell as a user with the X display set correctly?
[12:37] <ogra> you cant
[12:37] <lucasvo> :(
[12:37] <ogra> usually xhost does that
[12:38] <ogra> but over a local tcp socket
[12:38] <lucasvo> how can I run a command as a special user with X set correctly?
[12:38] <ogra> since thats very insecure, tcp transport is disabled in ubuntu
[12:39] <ogra> if i would know how to do that in a secure way, you could look it up in the s-c-p source ;)
[12:40] <lucasvo> how can I edit the menus in gnome, they got really messed up after dapper upgrade
[12:40] <ogra> i'll have to inspect the ssh tunneling protocol a bit more, there mustbe a possibility to hook in there somewhere
[12:41] <ogra> right click on the ubuntu logo
[12:41] <lucasvo> ah
[12:41] <lucasvo> is there some reset button?
[12:41] <lucasvo> found it
[12:41] <ogra> niot that i'm aware of ..
[12:42] <lucasvo> Revert :D
[12:42] <ogra> ah the "Defaults" button, right
[12:55] <MrMazda> ogra: is it OK to simply tack the isa sound card module onto the bottom of /etc/modules manually?
[12:55] <MrMazda> it's what I did in kubuntu
[12:55] <ogra> did it work ?
[12:55] <MrMazda> 1
[12:56] <ogra> if it did, that should work in edubuntu as well
[12:56] <MrMazda> didn't know if that was another no-no
[12:56] <ogra> just make sure o use the alsa module ... (the one that starts with snd- )
[12:57] <MrMazda> snd-azt2320
[12:57] <ogra> yup, thats fine
[12:57] <MrMazda> learned that in Xandrox
[12:57] <MrMazda> learned that in Xandros
[12:58] <MrMazda> 80% done, wasting time again on wierd fonts
[12:59] <ogra> heh, yes, i thought about dropping some, but we support 90 languages ... and these fonts are needed ...
[01:00] <MrMazda> only after the other langs installed though, right?
[01:00] <ogra> not really, for example it maked japanese websites not looking weird if you accidently end up on one ...
[01:01] <ogra> but that indeed doesnt teach you the lang *g*
[01:01] <MrMazda> who knows from wierd if only you can read English
[01:01] <ogra> they should probably be tied to the language packs ...
[01:01] <ogra> but that would blow them up even more ...
[01:02] <ogra> and if i look at the kde language packs i get nightmares ...
[01:06] <ogra> hey Hemet_Ka
[01:06] <ogra> you left to fast :)
[01:06] <Lord_Athur> hi ogra
[01:06] <Lord_Athur> hiow are you?
[01:06] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:06] <lucasvo> hi Lord_Athur
[01:06] <ogra> there are squashfs-tools, you might probably find what you look for in there ..
[01:07] <Lord_Athur> mm
[01:07] <Lord_Athur> ok ogra
[01:07] <Lord_Athur> hi lucasvo
[01:08] <Lord_Athur> are the metadistros good distros?
[01:08] <ogra> which ones specifically ?
[01:08] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:08] <lucasvo> ubuntu is the best distro ! :D
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> I don't know, I want to make one
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> :P
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> It'd be only for learn more about distros...
[01:09] <ogra> look at the existing ones and look at the userbase ... then guess yourself ...
[01:09] <ogra> (edubuntu is a metadistro ;) )
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> you're right
[01:09] <ogra> as well as userlinux
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> I'll see it
[01:09] <lucasvo> Lord_Athur: what metadistro do you want to do?
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> one with KDEas the default GE & one with my programs
[01:10] <ogra> if you compare userlinux with edubuntu. you'll find very different outcome ...
[01:11] <ogra> metaistro basically means that you have a metapackage that defines a subset of anouther distro to be installed
[01:11] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:12] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:12] <ogra> userlinux is a set of metapackages in debian, but has no real userbase ... edubuntu and kubuntu are metadistros in ubuntu ...
[01:12] <ogra> consisting of metapackages (edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-server, edubuntu-artwork)
[01:12] <ogra> or kubuntu-desktop ...
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> can I put the Kubuntu-desktop in the devian server?
[01:13] <ogra> i wouldnt try that
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> ogra, how can I use the apckage of squashfs-tools?
[01:14] <ogra> no idea, as i told you before, i have no experience with squashfs
[01:14] <ogra> but i saw there is this package ...
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[01:15] <MrMazda> ogra: gdm is up
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> I've to go
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> bye
[01:15] <ogra> look in /usr/share/doc/ squashfs-tools
[01:15] <ogra> gah
[01:15] <ogra> he's always to fast to get the important info :P
[01:15] <ogra> MrMazda, YAY !!!
[01:16] <MrMazda> need to unerror 'linux workstation'
[01:16] <MrMazda> now it's safe 4 u 2 goto bed
[01:16] <MrMazda> :)
[01:16] <ogra> not anymore ... as i said, we use gfxboot in the new CD ;)
[01:16] <ogra> so you got a wimple menu to select from ...
[01:17] <ogra> *simple
[01:17] <MrMazda> just a password box
[01:17] <ogra> its only 1am... i usually am up until 3 or 4 ;)
[01:17] <lucasvo> ogra: and when do you have to begin working?
[01:18] <MrMazda> first thing is get nfs, Gecko & Chatzilla going
[01:18] <lucasvo> ogra: are you more inactive when you work anyway?
[01:18] <ogra> lucasvo, as i like ... as long as edubuntu is ready at release day and i finish my spec in time ;)
[01:18] <ogra> *specs
[01:18] <lucasvo> MrMazda: always think that your daughter maybe not want to have that many options as you like to :D
[01:18] <ogra> this here *is* my work
[01:18] <lucasvo> ogra: so it is akkordarbeit :P
[01:19] <ogra> nope, just slavery of the release schedule ;)
[01:19] <lucasvo> ogra: maybe sabfdl should add something to your specs, that you are in a hurry a little bit more :D
[01:19] <ogra> i could stop after 8h of work if i'd like
[01:20] <ogra> but then it *would* be "akkordarbeit" ;)
[01:20] <ogra> this way i'm online ~14h and have nice chats inbetween ...
[01:20] <MrMazda> ogra: arghhhhh! 640x480 :(
[01:20] <ogra> damned
[01:21] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you already had the problem wiht kubuntu, didn't you
[01:21] <lucasvo> ?
[01:21] <ogra> did it work better with kubuntu ?
[01:21] <MrMazda> prolly same as b4, no vert/horiz lines in xorg.conf
[01:21] <ogra> yup
[01:21] <lucasvo> MrMazda: it was the wrong horsync
[01:21] <MrMazda> I had to put them in manually b4
[01:21] <MrMazda> not wrong, NONE
[01:21] <ogra> they are not needed with recent HW, but if your monitor doesnt report the DDC values right, you need them
[01:22] <ogra> err DCC
[01:22] <MrMazda> I can put them in and restart X, but should I save the logs for a bug report?
[01:22] <ogra> wont fix the herdware i guess
[01:22] <MrMazda> I looked yesterday for such bugs
[01:22] <ogra> *hard
[01:22] <MrMazda> lots recently fixed or duped
[01:22] <lucasvo> MrMazda: except mine :(
[01:23] <ogra> its the DCC reporting of the monitor thats not working
[01:23] <lucasvo> ogra: daniels is not around, where is he?
[01:23] <ogra> perparing for uni, he starts studying in january
[01:23] <lucasvo> aha
[01:24] <ogra> so he's not around 20h/day anymore
[01:24] <lucasvo> Unpacking mythtv-backend (from .../mythtv-backend_0.18.1-5_i386.deb) ...
[01:24] <lucasvo> Setting up mythtv-backend (0.18.1-5) ...
[01:24] <lucasvo> chown: `mythtv:mythtv': invalid user
[01:24] <MrMazda> May 1998 Sony CPD-200
[01:24] <lucasvo> ogra: where does he live?
[01:24] <ogra> melbourne
[01:24] <lucasvo> ah, crap
[01:24] <lucasvo> so I have to look for him in the night
[01:25] <ogra> MrMazda, sudo ddcprobe
[01:27] <lucasvo> the germans are crazy, they want to use soldiers for WM, a civil war!
[01:28] <ogra> *hater
[01:29] <lucasvo> there is nothing as boring as soccer games on tv
[01:29] <Hemet_Ka> ogra, I found this page about Metadistros http://metadistros.hispalinux.org/
[01:30] <Hemet_Ka> it's in Spanish, but you can select your language
[01:31] <Hemet_Ka> could you see it?
[01:31] <ogra> i know hispalinux, they were at the edubuntu summit
[01:32] <Hemet_Ka> realy?
[01:32] <Hemet_Ka> what does the word summit mean?
[01:32] <Hemet_Ka> :S
[01:32] <ogra> s well as guadalinux and lliurex and linex
[01:32] <Hemet_Ka> I'm a bag Englsih speaker
[01:32] <ogra> a developer gathering
[01:32] <Hemet_Ka> ok
[01:33] <ogra> seems in spain, every village has its own distro :)
[01:33] <Hemet_Ka> then the matadistro project that the page shows must be a good alternative for me
[01:33] <ogra> many of them are switching to ubuntu ...
[01:34] <Hemet_Ka> but I cannot download the software that is in the page
[01:34] <Hemet_Ka> :S
[01:34] <ogra> go to hispalinux.es
[01:34] <ogra> that might help
[01:35] <Hemet_Ka> but the page send me to http://metadistros.hispalinux.org/
[01:35] <Hemet_Ka> it's the same
[01:35] <Hemet_Ka> xD
[01:35] <ogra> heh
[01:35] <ogra> looks somehow unmaintained
[01:37] <Hemet_Ka>
[01:37] <ogra> ah, no, last post dec 17
[01:37] <Hemet_Ka> jeje
[01:39] <lucasvo> good night!
[01:39] <Hemet_Ka> :D lucasvo
[01:40] <ogra> night
[01:40] <Hemet_Ka> is the kubuntu-desktop package in only one file?
[01:40] <ogra> its a meta package ...
[01:40] <ogra> so its an empty package that only has dependencys
[01:41] <Hemet_Ka> ok
[01:41] <ogra> apt-get source kubuntu-desktop and have a look
[01:44] <Navire> I instaled Edubuntu there, with  old  client  petium 100Mhz 32RAM. Hi not suport boot PXE, suport boot on floppy. Start, but very slow!!!! Someone can help me?
[01:46] <Navire> Anyone know how to do  this?
[01:49] <Hemet_Ka> I don't know
[01:50] <Navire> Ok
[01:50] <Navire> Hemet, Do you use LTSP?
[01:50] <Hemet_Ka> what's LTSP?
[01:51] <Navire> Liniux Terminal Server Project. Terminal Server fro Linux
[01:52] <Hemet_Ka> no, Idon't use it
[01:52] <Navire> Thank you. :)
[01:52] <Navire> Do you use Edubuntu ou Ubuntu?
[01:53] <Hemet_Ka> is there a page to read more about LTSP
[01:53] <Hemet_Ka> mm
[01:53] <Hemet_Ka> Kubuntu
[01:54] <Hemet_Ka> this don't have to be too different
[01:54] <Hemet_Ka> realy?
[01:54] <Hemet_Ka> KDE is better then gnome (it's what i think)
[01:56] <Navire> I will use KDE, but now use GNome on Ubuntu is very good!!
[01:57] <Hemet_Ka> :P
[01:57] <Navire> lol
[01:58] <Navire> Try Gnome and to see it is very very good than KDE.
[01:59] <Navire> On Ubuntu
[02:05] <Hemet_Ka> I've seen gnome
[02:05] <Hemet_Ka> but I prefer KDE
[02:07] <Hemet_Ka> It's the best
[02:13] <Hemet_Ka> I'll be bask in 5 minutes
[02:17] <luluroot> ogra: it's MrMazda upstairs on edubuntu/firefox/chatzilla
[02:17] <luluroot> lucasvo: u awake?
[02:18] <luluroot> again unknown key garbage on the consoles
[02:24] <Hemet_Ka> hi
[02:33] <MrMazda> hello Hemet_Ka
[02:33] <Hemet_Ka> :D
[02:33] <Hemet_Ka> hi MrMazda
[02:38] <MrMazda> I think everyone else watchin TV or asleep :-p
[02:39] <MrMazda> or whatever they do besides puters on weekends
[02:52] <Navire> I have to go now, I will sleep now
[02:52] <Navire> Good  bye evebady
[02:52] <Navire> See you later
[02:52] <Navire> take care
[02:52] <Navire> I love Gnome :)
[02:52] <MrMazda> cul8r
[02:52] <Navire> The best Desktop
[03:02] <Hemet_Ka> hi
[04:15] <MrMazda> help
[04:15] <MrMazda> ogra: help
[04:15] <MrMazda> lucasvo: help
[04:15] <MrMazda> somebody help
[04:52] <Yagisan> re
[05:09] <Yagisan> MrMazda: what broke ?
[05:15] <lululinux> grub
[05:15] <lululinux> fixed now
[05:15] <lululinux> dumb install too stupid to play local mp3 files though
[05:15] <Yagisan> lululinux: you need to enable restriced formats for mp3
[05:15] <lululinux> mebbe mhz knows how to fix it ;-)
[05:15] <Yagisan> lululinux: f*cking patent issues
[05:15] <lululinux> what's that mean?
[05:16] <mhz> hi all
[05:16] <lululinux> how
[05:16] <Yagisan> G'day mhz - what's the wiki page for restricted formats say, basically, add universe and multiverse right ?
[05:16] <mhz> iirc
[05:17] <lululinux> added universe long time ago
[05:17] <mhz> multiverse is restricted
[05:17] <lululinux> first thing practically, since mc is missing from the CD
[05:17] <mhz> i mean, multiverse is the 'non-always-free-zone'
[05:17] <Yagisan> lululinux: yep, the wonderful mc is universe. you need to add multiverse
[05:19] <Yagisan> lululinux: First https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:20] <Yagisan> lululinux: then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:20] <lululinux> wiki is screwed up
[05:20] <Yagisan> should help with mp3
[05:20] <lululinux> huge horizontal scroll
[05:20] <lululinux> can't use it
[05:20] <Yagisan> wiki works fine for me @ 1024x768
[05:21] <lululinux> not here
[05:21] <lululinux> huge horizontal scroll
[05:22] <Yagisan> lululinux: do you have granny fonts setup ie big fonts instead of standard ?
[05:22] <Yagisan> lululinux: control + 0 in firefox should fix it
[05:23] <Yagisan> mhz: how are you today ?
[05:25] <mhz> tired, i couldnt sleep friday-saturday night
[05:25] <mhz> .oO(it's sunday 01:25 AM)
[05:26] <Yagisan> mhz: me either, Eric would get up every hour to either shit, or eat.
[05:26] <Yagisan> mhz: have you seen Iron Chef ?
[05:26] <mhz> hehehehe
[05:27] <mhz> nope, never seen iron chef
[05:27] <Yagisan> mhz: you poor thing, you have no idea what you are missing!
[05:27] <mhz> hehehe
[05:44] <MrMazda> Yagisan: a lunatic built http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
[05:45] <MrMazda> too wide because huge whitespace in the <pre> stuff
[05:45] <MrMazda> see e.g. line 613
[05:47] <MrMazda> only fits on screen by using mousetype, which I can't read
[05:48] <a-865> Yagisan: horizontal scroll even at 1792x1344
[05:50] <Yagisan> you must have some weird settings somewhere
[05:50] <MrMazda> all 3 puters same problem
[05:51] <MrMazda> a lunatic built http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
[05:54] <Yagisan> I'm sending you a screenie of how it looks to me
[05:56] <Yagisan> Tried both firefox and konqueror, I can't reproduce *any* horizontal scroll, without making the fonts excessively large
[05:58] <Yagisan> MrMazda: send me a screenshot
[05:59] <MrMazda> http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/accessibility.html
[06:01] <MrMazda> Yagisan: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/helpubuntu.gif
[06:02] <MrMazda> Chatzilla was backlogged again :-p
[06:03] <MrMazda> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319219
[06:04] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos
[06:06] <Yagisan> MrMazda: your fonts are too large, that's why it displays odd. On a visual inspection, that page would meet WAI-A accessibility ratings.
[06:06] <MrMazda> no it wouldn't
[06:06] <MrMazda> my fonts are EXACTLY the right size
[06:07] <MrMazda> Yagisan: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/accessibility.html http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html
[06:09] <MrMazda> too wide because huge whitespace in the <pre> stuff
[06:09] <MrMazda> see e.g. line 613
[06:11] <MrMazda> http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/unix/dpi.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/
[06:15] <Yagisan> MrMazda: Well, I didn't write it, btw I sense some irony that your default size page also fails to validate at WAI standards ;)
[06:15] <Yagisan> IIRC the documetation is being updated for dapper
[06:15] <Yagisan> so I'm sure it will be fixed
[06:16] <MrMazda> Yagisan: what fails?
[06:17] <MrMazda> since Bobby disappeared I haven't checked anything
[06:17] <Yagisan> MrMazda: For my business website I use http://webxact.watchfire.com/
[06:18] <Yagisan> MrMazda: I try for level AAA if possible, but some pages are only AA
[06:19] <Yagisan> MrMazda: it failed at level AA
[06:20] <Yagisan> MrMazda: You also may want to rethink Comic Sans MS, that is a hard font to read
[06:20] <MrMazda> look at why, it claims way lotta broken links, links that aren't even on the page
[06:21] <MrMazda> COMIC SANS IS NOT HARD TO READ unless it is too small, and I only use it for TITLES
[06:21] <MrMazda> I don't care who doesn't like Comic Sans
[06:21] <MrMazda> They can uninstall it if they hate it
[06:22] <MrMazda> where is it finding all the broken links?
[06:22] <Yagisan> MrMazda: 1, the links are there I read the source, 2 what a hypocritical response for an accessibility person
[06:22] <Yagisan> MrMazda: thanks for assuming MY default size
[06:23] <MrMazda> ???
[06:23] <MrMazda> all I assume about your default is that you chose it appropriately
[06:25] <MrMazda> http://webxact2.watchfire.com/report.asp?t=1&s=5&ts=8450&y=0 claims 6i1 broken links in a page that doesn't even have 10 links in it total
[06:25] <MrMazda> http://webxact2.watchfire.com/report.asp?t=1&s=5&ts=8450&y=0 claims 61 broken links in a page that doesn't even have 10 links in it total
[06:26] <MrMazda> Yagisan: now I see we weren't talking about the same page
[06:27] <mhz> :)
[06:27] <MrMazda> http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html is that I thought you meant, and I pasted the wrong URI
[06:27] <MrMazda> http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/wauth1.html has stuff I have don't have adequate web space for
[06:28] <Yagisan> MrMazda: something to keep in mind, is that every <a href> tag, even if it points to the same page is a link
[06:30] <MrMazda> Yagisan: the priority 2 failure on http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html is due to code pasted into the page directly from the WC3 site for the validation link. o_O
[06:32] <MrMazda> silly stuff, like not liking H5 to follow H1
[10:26] <lucasvo> hello
[12:03] <lucasvo> hello ivan
[01:01] <lucasvo> ogra: I am now python pro :D
[01:01] <lucasvo> ogra: is there anything I can do with s-c-p?
[02:00] <ogra> couls some native english speaker check the edubuntu flight2 release announcement for typos and grammar ?
[02:00] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight2Announcement
[02:10] <Yagisan> spacey: ping
[02:22] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[02:22] <mhz> wow!
[02:23] <mhz> Yagisan: gifted guy!  I know no such thing
[02:26] <mhz> :)
[02:26] <mhz> 'mythical' hehehe
[02:26] <mhz> wait til they're over 5
[02:26] <lululinux> wohoo, just got free bigger HD, free RAM, and free faster CPU. See ya later mhz Yagisan & lucasvo . :)
[02:28] <mhz> Yagisan: is bittorrent on commandline?
[02:28] <Yagisan> mhz: yes!! I can send them to school - I'll become fully nocturnal, I can sleep again
[02:28] <Yagisan> mhz: I don't no, I don't use the bittorent clients with ubuntu
[02:29] <Yagisan> s/no/know
[02:29] <Yagisan> I use azureus for my bittorent stuff
[02:29] <ogra> mhz, just clisk a .torrent file in firefox, gnome-bitorrent will care for it ...
[02:30] <Yagisan> but that needs a java 1.5 runtime, most likely sun's, although blackdown, or ibm should do it.
[02:30] <mhz> ogra: hehehe, you make life too easy :)
[02:30] <ogra> heh
[02:30] <Yagisan> I'll be very happy when gcj runs azureus
[02:30] <Yagisan> or at least kaffe or sablevm
[02:31] <mhz> I know i am no advanced GNU/Linux user but I do know I prefer to do things manually so I have little clues of what's going on, ogra
[02:32] <mhz> otherwise, I'd probably use Mac OSX :)
[02:32] <mhz> .oO(well, I wouldn't because it is not Free as in freedom)
[02:33] <ogra> you can also download the .torrent file and open it manually with gnome-btdownload ;)
[02:33] <mhz> hehehehehehehehehehe
[02:34] <mhz> ogra: I really like your sense of humour (very diff from other german guys i have met)
[02:35] <ogra> edubuntu testers ? (hopefully=
[02:35] <Yagisan> Of course, with porn gone, there would be no need for adsl2, as suddenly there would be excess bandwidth for all
[02:35] <mhz> BTW, why is torrent so recommended?
[02:36] <ogra> because it saves bandwidth for everyone ...
[02:36] <Yagisan> It spreads the bandwidth load over all people involved
[02:36] <Yagisan> you can get you download done quicker
[02:36] <ogra> as all p2p apps do :)
[02:37] <Yagisan> s/get you/get your
[02:37] <Yagisan> Of course, that does rely on you also sharing the download to at least a 1:1 ratio
[02:38] <Yagisan> mhz: Don't forget to watch milk battle :)
[02:40] <mhz> Yagisan: 80%
[02:41] <mhz> Yagisan: but is that the very best featured?
[02:41] <mhz> sorry, ogra can answer too ;)
[02:44] <Yagisan> mhz: best feature bittorrent client ?
[02:44] <Yagisan> mhz: My personal preference is azureus http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[02:45] <Yagisan> mhz: but as I said, needs java 1.5 compatible runtime
[02:45] <Yagisan> mhz: IIRC there may be an ubuntu package for it in dapper
[02:46] <mhz> hmm, interesting
[02:46] <ogra> for 1.5 ?
[02:46] <ogra> not as long as ibm doesnt release a 1.5 blackdown package
[02:46] <Yagisan> no, the azureus package
[02:46] <mhz> .oO(maybe Emacs have a 'torrent' like plugin :)
[02:46] <Yagisan> IIRC I thought I saw it either in ubuntu or debian
[02:47] <Yagisan> perhaps debian mentors
[02:48] <ogra> oh, why is that ?
[02:49] <Yagisan> he wants a new model ??
[02:50] <mhz> because I ordered 3 laptops (well, I chose and this friend payed for them) from eBay and 2 were never sent to us. Now I gotta give this friend back his money :(
[02:51] <Yagisan> mhz: hmm, did you use paypal ?
[02:51] <mhz> Yagisan: unless I got a Zaurus 'horizontal' screen model (4 GB in ROM and 1 USB port), I would definately prefer a Toshiba Libretto (less than 10 inches)!
[02:52] <mhz> Yagisan: yup! but we never knew that the transaction 'filing complaints' lasted 60 days tops.
[02:52] <mhz> and the communication with seller was always good (he giving us reasons why he couldn't senf them yet and crap)
[02:53] <mhz> opps... i rephrase 'cr*p' wit 'cramps'
[02:53] <Yagisan> mhz: so the cocksucker delayed you until you could not get a refund. Bastard.
[02:53] <mhz> yup
[02:54] <mhz> and I also complained to eBay because if you read 'normal' info, they never mention about 60 days.
[02:54] <Yagisan> mhz: your english is great if you understand what I called that seller
[02:55] <mhz> Yagisan: plus the fact that ebaye sellers (with laptops I liked) did not want to sell outside US so it took me 3 months to convince them :(
[02:55] <mhz> hehehe
[02:55] <mhz> thx
[02:55] <Yagisan> ogra: IBM does have a Java 5 for download
[02:55] <ogra> oh
[02:55] <Yagisan> but not blackdown
[02:56] <ogra> gah
[02:56] <Yagisan> I just checked both
[02:56] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm sorry you where ripped off :(
[02:56] <ogra> we only have access to the blackdown sources and cant include binary only packages in ubuntu
[02:56] <mhz> ogra: in ubuntu-user ML there was a bit of complaining about devels decisions (4 lines email). Can i paste them?
[02:56] <Yagisan> s/where/were
[02:56] <mhz> Yagisan: sheeps happens
[02:56] <ogra> sure, but i read -users
[02:57] <mhz> ohhh. zaro killed
[02:57] <mhz> zero
[02:58] <ogra> i wonder why people never help while the specs are worked out and the decisions are made but complain very loud 7 months later
[02:58] <mhz> yup!, I 100% agree with you
[02:58] <Yagisan> ogra: I complain very load bout the specs I care about, but I couldn't go to canada
[02:59] <Yagisan> ogra: so, in dapper, I still won't have decent multi-lingual input :(
[02:59] <mhz> I wish to think it is a matter of 'not knowing how to get involved'
[02:59] <ogra> Yagisan, the specs are on the wiki ... and are worked out there
[02:59] <ogra> Yagisan, scim ?
[02:59] <Yagisan> yep
[02:59] <Yagisan> can you say breezy was a total regression
[02:59] <mhz> pasting...
[02:59] <mhz> > MTA is important, I vote 'yes'.
[02:59] <mhz> > Have you talked to the Devel guys?
[02:59] <mhz> Absolutely. Some of us would like to use MUAs that don't suck, like Mutt.
[02:59] <mhz> Plus, mailx is used to send email from scripts all of the time. These
[02:59] <mhz> people dumbing-down Linux and making it less useful are making me want
[02:59] <mhz> to go use FreeBSD.
[03:00] <Yagisan> ogra: at least it is on the agenda
[03:00] <ogra> i was asked about it by several germans about it too now and minghua in -motu is upstream in debian for some of them ...
[03:00] <ogra> so a scim team would probably help
[03:00] <ogra> the prob is that we dont have enough devs for it ...
[03:00] <Yagisan> ogra: yep, I've met minghua in -motu
[03:01] <ogra> i personally don use scim
[03:01] <ogra> but i see the need
[03:01] <ogra> especially if we want to gain more on the asian market
[03:01] <Yagisan> ogra: well, in my case, uim the alternative, only works in gnome apps, and breaks more the half of universe
[03:02] <ogra> but its all gpl, right ?
[03:02] <Yagisan> ogra: If you even want to communicate with asia, it needs to be fixed
[03:02] <mhz> BTW, ogra, I just want to 'log' here that after jdub got back (that he said in -devel) I still get no mail regarding 'edubuntu-devel-es' ML :(
[03:02] <Yagisan> yep, all gpl
[03:02] <mhz> and I am afraid he gest pissed off if I insist, once more.
[03:02] <ogra> mhz, nope, he wont
[03:02] <ogra> just poke him
[03:02] <mhz> okis
[03:03] <mhz> so, based on your answers... no good devel would get pissed off?
[03:03] <ogra> mhz, the mail stuff is one apt-get from the CD away... i dont see the issue there ...
[03:03] <ogra> yup
[03:04] <ogra> especially not jdub...
[03:04] <mhz> ogra: sure, I know, that's why i only asked if that person had talked to devel guys.
[03:04] <ogra> Yagisan, btw, are you a slug member ?
[03:04] <mhz> Yagisan: are you going to NewZeland in January ?
[03:05] <Yagisan> slug ?? no
[03:05] <ogra> oh, why ?
[03:05] <Yagisan> mhz: I can't afford to go to kiwi land
[03:06] <ogra> Yagisan, i hope one of the confs in the near future will be in asia
[03:06] <Yagisan> ogra: because first I need to google for it
[03:06] <ogra> haha
[03:06] <ogra> youre in sydney, arent you ?
[03:06] <Yagisan> yep
[03:06] <ogra> so slug is for you then ;)
[03:07] <Yagisan> well, technically it's western sydney
[03:07] <ogra> mhz could send his poking through you to jdub ;)
[03:07] <ogra> with a *real* finger involved
[03:07] <Yagisan> oh, there is a linux users group here
[03:07] <mhz> ogra: :D
[03:07] <ogra> yes, the:
[03:08] <ogra> syfney
[03:08] <Yagisan> I should go
[03:08] <ogra> Linux
[03:08] <ogra> User
[03:08] <Yagisan> now where is it ?
[03:08] <ogra> Group
[03:08] <ogra> aka, slug ;)
[03:08] <Yagisan> ogra: slug is a pest related to a snail
[03:08] <Yagisan> :)
[03:08] <ogra> loool
[03:08] <mhz> lol
[03:08] <kjcole> Hiya...
[03:08] <mhz> M$ = snail
[03:08] <mhz> i had never seen it like that!
[03:08] <mhz> :D
[03:09] <mhz> hey kjcole Mr. EduDoc!
[03:09] <Yagisan> basically slugs are snails without shells
[03:09] <mhz> interesting
[03:09] <kjcole> mhz, Sitting here waiting for Elkner to arrive.  (But I'm early.  We're scheduled for 10 this morning.)
[03:10] <mhz> but I prefer NAT Geo or Discovery :)
[03:11] <kjcole> ogra, you had mentioned giving me clues as to what to do about "bzr push"  (Though I want it to work on my server, I think the ideal solution for the Cookbook would be to have Launchpad keep it safe and warm.)
[03:11] <mhz> kjcole: please send my huge thanks to Elkner as well, because you 2 meeting on a sunday at 10 AM.. is very heroic!
[03:11] <mhz> and you are meeting to work not just to play cards
[03:11] <mhz> or role playing
[03:11] <ogra> kjcole, i dont think the launchpad supermirror is ready yet, you'll have to resort to your server for now
[03:12] <Yagisan> ogra: I'm a monkey, where is slug located ?
[03:12] <kjcole> mhz, 10 isn't heroic -- last week's 8:30 on a Sunday *THAT* was heroic. ;-)
[03:12] <mhz> wow! yup!!
[03:12] <ogra> kjcole, the fastes way to have push working would be to run a ssh server on your server and use sftp pushing
[03:12] <ogra> but sftp is bretty slow for push, so probably an rsync server would be cooler
[03:13] <mhz> rsync is nice, very cool
[03:13] <kjcole> ogra, ssh server is running, but I've got to go back and figure out what I did to restrict access.  (I had it running ssh server under Fedora, but had access to the machine very strictly controlled.)
[03:14] <ogra> just make sftp possible to the dir you have your branch in ...
[03:14] <mhz> kjcole: maybe Yagisan 'gifted non-sleepy-sec-expert' may help
[03:15] <kjcole> As for rsync, when I push, I think the error message is that it doesn't understand rsync.  But I haven't banged around on that much.
[03:16] <ogra> that sounds like a server prob
[03:17] <Yagisan> Is the server aggressively firewalled ?
[03:17] <kjcole> ogra, yeah, my thought as well.
[03:17] <Yagisan> I've occasionally forgotten to open a port for ssh
[03:18] <ivan> No slug, no snail! I want to use kturtle. Who use this junior instrument?
[03:18] <kjcole> Yagisan, it was, under Fedora, but it isn't now (unless I've messed up when copying files from the old system to the new.)
[03:19] <kjcole> Yagisan, we're also behind the campus-wide firewall, but that doesn't block ssh -- unless they've changed something again without telling the community.  (Wouldn't be the first time.)
[03:20] <kjcole> Anyway, the sense I'm getting here is that the setup isn't anything unusual to get it working.  So, let me poke around and see what I learn.
[03:21] <ogra> you can also use "scp -r . server:/path ", but that will copy the whole tree everytime ...
[03:27] <Yagisan> re
[03:27] <mhz> okis
[03:27] <mhz> Bye to you all!
[03:27] <mhz> see you tomorrow
[03:28] <mhz> have nice sunday rest of day
[03:28] <Yagisan> bye mhz, tel me how milk battle was!
[03:28] <ogra> Yagisan, http://www.slug.org.au/ btw ...
[03:28] <kjcole> ogra, that's what I've been doing.  But I want others to be able to push without opening my little office server to the world.  (I had an unfortunate incident many years ago when I opened up the machine to someone off campus that I thought I could trust.  That mistake ended up with the FBI hauling off my computer.)
[03:28] <Yagisan> thanks ogra:
[03:29] <ogra> oh, i wouldnt do that
[03:29] <kjcole> ogra, so, it's made me a bit shy of such things.
[03:29] <ogra> i'd just maintain a local branch and merge the changes locally, to push it later
[03:29] <Yagisan> kjcole: ouch
[03:29] <ogra> has the advantage of someone having the control over the tree ...
[03:30] <ogra> at least for development i find it  veryimportant that one guy is the master and reviews the changes that go in
[03:30] <ogra> not sure about doc work though
[03:32] <kjcole> OK.  Well, I'm gonna run off now.  Later all.
[03:35] <Yagisan> ogra: slugs website doesn't make it obvious where the meetings are :(
[03:35] <ogra> poke jdub
[03:35] <ogra> he'll tell you
[03:38] <ogra> hehe
[04:05] <ogra> doesnt dvdrip have such an option ?
[04:07] <Yagisan> ogra: I've just found that via google, so I'm reading the docs now
[04:11] <Yagisan> ogra: it seems dvdrip wants to ssh to the clients, that may be problematic
[04:11] <ogra> just set up a aahd ...
[04:11] <ogra> sshd
[04:30] <Yagisan> oh happy happy joy joy dvdrip can't find it's dependencies :(
[04:32] <ogra> most likely it needs transcode and friends ...
[04:32] <Yagisan> but they downloaded too
[04:34] <feria> hi all
[04:34] <Yagisan> G'day feria
[04:35] <feria> I ve been reading bout edubuntu and is great....
[04:39] <feria> #edubuntu-es is alone, are there a contact for the spanish version?  I Can contribute with translations...
[04:40] <feria> doh! MauricioHernandez en [MAILTO]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>si hablas castellano.
[04:40] <feria> sorry
[04:40] <ogra> feria, edubuntu is developed inside of ubuntu ... so rosetta is the place for translations
[04:40] <ogra> http://www.launchpad.net/
[04:42] <feria> is a great idea, the kids are the future :)
[04:43] <feria> there are no live cd version yet?
[04:47] <ogra> see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html
[04:49] <feria> thanks ogra :)
[05:11] <jelkner> orga: have you seen (or heard) from mauricio (mhz) recently?
[05:12] <ogra> he was here this morning ...
[05:12] <ogra> until late afternoon
[05:12] <ogra> but said goodbye for the rest of the day
[05:12] <jelkner> in his time zone, it isn't even noon yet ;-)
[05:13] <ogra> he came in 13:30 UTC and left 16:30 UTC it seems ...
[05:14] <jelkner> ok, i'll catch him wednesday morning
[05:14] <jelkner> we had a great time yesterday at tennants and workers united
[05:14] <ogra> nice
[05:14] <jelkner> 6 new ubuntunteros
[05:15] <jelkner> all spanish sqeaking women
[05:15] <jelkner> we went on the ubuntu-es channel
[05:15] <ogra> and met mhz  ?
[05:15] <jelkner> no, he wasn't there
[05:15] <jelkner> that's what i want to ask him
[05:15] <ogra> (there is edubuntu-es as well btw (see topic))
[05:15] <jelkner> if he could join us next time
[05:16] <jelkner> oh
[05:16] <ogra> he runs it
[05:16] <jelkner> that would be even better
[05:16] <jelkner> we should meet there
[05:16] <jelkner> they are all newbies
[05:16] <ogra> thats fine ;)
[05:16] <jelkner> so we need some folks who wouldn't mind talking to newbies
[05:16] <jelkner> cool
[05:16] <jelkner> ok, on another topic
[05:17] <jelkner> kevin and i are here to work on the book
[05:17] <ogra> i dont mind talking to newbies, but somehow my spanish is nonexistent ;)
[05:17] <ogra> yep
[05:17] <jelkner> i'll hit you up when we have german newbies
[05:17] <jelkner> which i will have soon
[05:17] <ogra> send them to #edubuntu-de :)
[05:17] <jelkner> (actually german student newbies)
[05:17] <jelkner> cool!
[05:18] <jelkner> they are both new to ubuntu and new to german
[05:18] <ogra> hehe
[05:18] <jelkner> ok, bzr...
[05:18] <ogra> i could teach them both i guess
[05:18] <jelkner> cool
[05:18] <jelkner> i'm thinking of getting a virtual server to host the book
[05:19] <ogra> oh, a complete server ?
[05:19] <jelkner> yeah
[05:19] <ogra> isnt that a bit much for one branch ?
[05:19] <jelkner> it would cost 7.99 per month
[05:19] <jelkner> i could set it up until launchpad is ready
[05:19] <ogra> i think launchpad will be ready during this dev cycle, its just not ready *nw*
[05:19] <jelkner> (so only a few months)
[05:19] <ogra> *now
[05:19] <ogra> probably even weeks
[05:20] <jelkner> we can cancell the virtual machine any time we want
[05:20] <ogra> i saw the supermirror runnung locally at ubz
[05:20] <jelkner> so we'll only be out a few buck
[05:20] <jelkner> bucks
[05:20] <jelkner> anyway, can we check back with you if we have trouble getting bzr to work
[05:21] <ogra> sure
[05:21] <ogra> for the normal usage thats fine, if it comes to bugs or deeper internals, #bzr is the better bet
[05:21] <jelkner> understood
[05:21] <highvoltage> hi ogra!
[05:22] <ogra> what i said to kjcole already,
[05:22] <ogra> you should maintian the branch rather locally
[05:22] <ogra> to have some control about the commits
[05:22] <ogra> and only have one person who is the central master and megres the different branches
[05:23] <ogra> hey highvoltage :)
[05:23] <ogra> at least thats what i do with code, to examine the changes first
[05:24] <highvoltage> ogra, I know I've asked you before (probably more than once), but where do I get the teacher control panel, formally known as teachertool from again?
[05:24] <ogra> highvoltage, either as package in dapper or from my bzr branch
[05:24] <highvoltage> s/formally/previously
[05:24] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[05:24] <ogra> i worked out the vnc implementation spec last week...
[05:25] <ogra> i'll code it the next time i have some spare time that i can spend on it
[05:26] <highvoltage> cool, downloading now via APT
[05:26] <ogra> so the only missing bit is to work out a sane approach for remote execution of commands, which is the most tricky bit to make securely
[05:26] <highvoltage> my ISP went down about two weeks ago too, so now the only internet access i have is through GPRS :(
[05:26] <ogra> all other stuff is cosmetical ..
[05:26] <ogra> gah
[05:26] <ogra> thats bad
[05:27] <highvoltage> sounds almost impossible from a security point of view.
[05:27] <ogra> btw, did you see the release announcment ?
[05:27] <highvoltage> no, I didn't.
[05:27] <ogra> i thought that for vnc as well, but i think i found a half way secure implementation now
[05:27] <highvoltage> which release announcement?
[05:28] <ogra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html
[05:28] <ogra> probably also intresting for jelkner ^^^
[05:28] <ogra> but it went to edubuntu-devel anyway
[05:29] <highvoltage> oh yes, and to make things worse, my TSF e-mail account is IMAP only, and my @ubuntu address forwards there, IMAP over GPRS isn't far from ideal. i'm going to get a launchpad admin to redirect it to a pop address for me, then i'll be able to stay up to date with email again.
[05:29] <ogra> hmm you need a launchpad admin for this ?
[05:29] <ogra> doesnt it work through the UI ?
[05:30] <highvoltage> nope :(
[05:30] <highvoltage> it just uses the e-mail address you registered with, you can't choose it yourself.
[05:30] <ogra> bah
[05:30] <ogra> #launchpad willhelp
[05:34] <highvoltage> yep, i've asked there and they said i should hold on for an admin.
[05:34] <ogra> yay
[05:34] <highvoltage> at least i don't need bandwidth to test edubuntu. i'll go to work tomorrow and fetch the iso
[05:43] <lucasvo> good evening!
[05:43] <lucasvo> jelkner: ping
[05:48] <highvoltage> good evening lucasvo
[05:49] <lucasvo> what can one do with a iBook G4 ?
[05:50] <ogra> lucasvo, sell it to me for a cheap price for example :)
[05:50] <ogra> or test edubuntu powerpc ;)
[05:51] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know, I bought it for 50.- but it had a broken display backlight, I combined it with mine, which had a broken logicboard
[05:51] <lucasvo> ogra: I will try install it
[05:51] <ogra> great... see the "known" problems section in the release announcement
[05:52] <lucasvo> ogra: just read it/
[05:55] <highvoltage> bbl...
[05:57] <lucasvo> ogra: if I download your bzr archive, can I change it and make a patch, which you may or may not apply?
[05:57] <ogra> make your change, commit it and upload the whole tree somewhere ... then i can merge it
[05:58] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/
[05:58] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: URLError instance has no attribute 'code'
[05:59] <ogra> hmm, funny
[05:59] <ogra> orks fine here
[06:00] <ogra> *works
[06:00] <ogra> i'm just pullin it
[06:02] <ogra> ask in #bzr what this could be
[06:02] <lucasvo>   command: '/usr/bin/bzr' 'get' 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/'
[06:02] <lucasvo>       pwd: u'/home/lucasvo'
[06:02] <lucasvo>     error: exceptions.AttributeError
[06:02] <lucasvo>   at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/transport/http.py line 146, in get()
[06:02] <ogra> but here it works flawless
[06:02] <lucasvo>   see ~/.bzr.log for debug information
[06:02] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$
[06:02] <ogra> no idea, sorry, i'm only bzr user
[06:03] <ogra> trying it here works fine as i said
[06:03] <ogra> its just getting revision 138
[06:04] <lucasvo> lol
[06:04] <lucasvo> it works now
[06:04] <ogra> what was the prob ?
[06:04] <lucasvo> fetch revision
[06:04] <lucasvo> k.a.
[06:05] <lucasvo> it may be a crappy internet connection
[06:05] <lucasvo> (wifi)
[06:05] <ogra> hmm
[06:05] <ogra> ah
[06:05] <ogra> here too
[06:05] <lucasvo> hm, no
[06:05] <lucasvo> it didn't work
[06:05] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/testldm $ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/
[06:05] <ogra> Branched 219 revision(s).
[06:05] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/testldm $
[06:05] <ogra> worked fine
[06:05] <lucasvo> when I pull an archive there comes an error: http://pastebin.com/469076
[06:06] <ogra> as i said, no idea about the bzr internals.... ask in #bzr it works fine here
[06:06] <ogra> do you have a proxy ?
[06:06] <lucasvo> I actually wanted to post it in #bzr :D
[06:06] <lucasvo> no I don't
[06:07] <ogra> can you browser the url ?
[06:07] <ogra> -r
[06:07] <lucasvo> yes
[06:08] <ogra> strange
[06:08] <ogra> probably the log shows more info ...
[06:23] <lucasvo> Err http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[06:23] <lucasvo>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:23] <lucasvo> Failed to fetch http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:30] <fitzwillie> Anyone available to give a first time installer a hand with some problems?
[06:30] <ogra> fitzwillie, you read the install notes page from the opic ?
[06:30] <ogra> *topic
[06:31] <fitzwillie> ogra: I've read everything I can get my hands on, espeically serching for the particular errors I'm getting, and no luck
[06:31] <ogra> so whats your prob ?
[06:33] <fitzwillie> After starting the install, I am repeatedly getting some variation on "Invalid Compressed Format (err=2)" or "CRC Error" - I have done a checksum on my download, and re-burnt my disk at 2x to make sure it's not one of those causing it
[06:33] <fitzwillie> and I've tried every mix of the switches suggested in the help menus
[06:33] <ogra> there is also a media check on the CD ... it runs qite long, but checks every sector on the burned disk
[06:34] <fitzwillie> Can I run that from the boot prompt?
[06:34] <ogra> either use expert install or go "back" at every point of the installation
[06:34] <ogra> it will drop you into a menu
[06:34] <ogra> near the bottom there is "media integrity check"
[06:35] <fitzwillie> I don't even get to that menu (okay, I did once, and can't repeat how I did it).  it hands up on "Uncompressing Linux" at the very start
[06:35] <ogra> probably your CD rom doesnt like the media ... i have an apple around that only boots from certain media
[06:36] <fitzwillie> heh, that would be just my luck.  Though I've tried two different types of CD media.
[06:36] <ogra> i found exactly on out of five types i have that boots on it ...
[06:37] <ogra> *one
[06:37] <fitzwillie> ack.  almost makes this not worth it.  I don't think I have the patience to try and find out which type of CD will work :(
[06:39] <fitzwillie> ahh well, thanks anyway.  I'll go try something else.
[06:40] <ogra> what kind of HW is that ?
[06:41] <fitzwillie> P3, 266mhz, 3gb HD, 160mb ram
[06:42] <ogra> sounds fine ...
[06:42] <ogra> and the CDRom ?
[06:42] <fitzwillie> haven't sorted that out specifically - looked around the bios but couldn't determine the specific
[06:43] <ogra> scsi or ide ? or any weird kind of soundblaster driven kind ?
[06:43] <fitzwillie> ide
[06:43] <ogra> ah, k
[06:45] <fitzwillie> ogra: thanks, gotta run for now... may try this again over the xmas break :)
[07:30] <lucasvo> ogra: this document is invalid, as it is written in the command above: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/client/themes/default/color
[07:31] <lucasvo> ogra: you forgot to define : background = "#ffffde"
[07:31] <ogra> works fine here
[07:31] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean in the comment :D
[07:32] <lucasvo> ogra: you didn't mention the background attribute
[07:32] <lucasvo> # Values known by ldm:
[07:32] <ogra> oh, yes, it was a last minute commit :)
[07:32] <lucasvo> #ronja Theme: Edubuntu < in the edubuntu theme :D
[07:33] <lucasvo> em I mean NOT in the edubuntu theme, instead in ubuntu theme
[07:33] <ogra> ah, yeah
[07:33] <MrMazda> ogra: u still need https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight2Announcement looked at by a native tongue?
[07:33] <lucasvo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/client/themes/Ubuntu/colors
[07:33] <ogra> MrMazda, nope, its out now ...
[07:33] <ogra> i had some people at #ubuntu-devel looking at it
[07:34] <ogra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html
[07:34] <ogra> :)
[07:35] <lucasvo> ah, Jonathan ridell changed quite a lot :D
[07:35] <ogra> yup
[07:36] <ogra> together with Colin Watson ...
[07:36] <ogra> who is our walking spellchecker :)
[07:36] <lucasvo> :D
[07:37] <lucasvo> it was an old bzr version :P
[07:37] <lucasvo> that's why bzr didn't work
[07:37] <lucasvo> ogra: what version are you using/
[07:38] <ogra> the daily builds
[07:39] <lucasvo> ah, and what is in dapper?
[07:39] <lucasvo> is dapper a daily builds?
[07:39] <ogra> i dont think so
[07:39] <ogra> not sure whats te default
[09:00] <lucasvo> hi kjcole
[09:01] <kjcole> Hi,
[09:07] <lucasvo> one should split up #ubuntu into sevaral channels, it is too crowded
[09:08] <highvoltage> it is quite crowded.
[09:08] <lucasvo> one can not talk normally in there
[09:08] <highvoltage> that could also be said for most IRC channels ;)
[09:09] <lucasvo> not really, for e.g. edubuntu
[09:09] <lucasvo> at least there is #ubuntu-kernel & #ubuntu-devel
[09:10] <lucasvo> maybe #ubuntu-network
[09:10] <lucasvo> would be good, to talk about wifi and other network issues
[09:10] <lucasvo> or #ubuntu-hardware to talk about h/w support
[09:41] <lucasvo> anybody around?
[09:46] <MrMazda> me here
[09:48] <lucasvo> MrMazda: you are a teacher?
[09:48] <lucasvo> MrMazda: do you have kids in school who work with pc?
[09:48] <MrMazda> just have 1 10 year old
[09:49] <lucasvo> I just talked to my brother about it, he is 11
[09:49] <lucasvo> I am trying to find out what they do with PC in school
[09:49] <lucasvo> for e.g. he said they use firefox, they have their own user
[09:50] <MrMazda> mine now at cousin's on Christmas holiday
[09:50] <lucasvo> do they have pc at school?
[09:50] <MrMazda> her class has 1 Mac & 3 PC
[09:52] <MrMazda> plus lots in the lab & libarary
[09:52] <MrMazda> plus lots in the lab & library
[09:55] <lucasvo> and what educational software do they have?
[10:00] <lucasvo> ogra: my sister just started up in xfce, her reaction was: Cool, was ist das? kann ich das behalten?
[10:00] <ogra> hehe
[10:00] <lucasvo> I did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:00] <lucasvo> and so now default is xfce
[10:01] <lucasvo> I think one should include xfce to edubuntu
[10:01] <lucasvo> or at least make a GUI for changing this setting
[10:02] <lucasvo> but now keyboard layout doesn't work anymore :(
[10:05] <ogra> you have a gui for that, its called synaptic
[10:06] <ogra> and xubuntu-desktop will be in main in dapper ... and thus on the DVD
[10:06] <ogra> the CD has no space left at all
[10:06] <lucasvo> :D
[10:07] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean, how to set default wm
[10:07] <lucasvo> ogra: isn't there something like ltsp-admin?
[10:07] <ogra> ope, dont touch it
[10:07] <ogra> thats for the old ltsp and breaks ours completely
[10:07] <lucasvo> ogra: but isn't there a gui for ltsp?
[10:07] <ogra> nope
[10:08] <lucasvo> hm, ok
[10:08] <lucasvo> in that case one should make one
[10:08] <ogra> not yet... and its unlikely the one i started will make dapper
[10:08] <lucasvo> maybe for dapper +1
[10:08] <lucasvo> aha,
[10:08] <lucasvo> so you did start one
[10:09] <ogra> look in my bzr archive ...
[10:10] <chevy> buying a new ethernet card for my PC to get it working with edubuntu . . other than avoiding 3Com, any specific suggestions?
[10:11] <a-865> cheap realtek works for me
[10:11] <lucasvo> ltsp manager?
[10:12] <lucasvo> http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/etherboot-5.4.1/src/bin/NIC
[10:12] <lucasvo> ^^ list of working cards with etherboot
[10:12] <chevy> thanks
[10:13] <MrMazda> no idea
[10:13] <lucasvo> ogra: is it ltsp-manager?
[10:13] <ogra> yup
[10:14] <ogra> nah, look for PXE based cards and you wont need silly bootfloppies
[10:14] <ogra> the rom-o-matic list is exactly the list of cards you dont want if you buy a new one anyway
[10:15] <ogra> PXE cards lie around 15 ...
[10:15] <ogra> or 10 pound ...
[10:15] <ogra> chevy, ^^^
[10:17] <lucasvo> PXE doesn't need any bootrom?
[10:17] <ogra> nope
[10:17] <chevy> ogra . . how's it going
[10:17] <chevy> yep still looking!
[10:18] <ogra> chevy, all fine, thanks :)
[10:18] <chevy> 10 is a lot for an ethernet card!
[10:18] <ogra> what the normal price in the uk ?
[10:19] <ogra> you might get them cheaper
[10:20] <chevy> about 4
[10:20] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know why keyboard is not working in xfce
[10:20] <chevy> markets flooded with 10/100s
[10:20] <lucasvo> chevy: but not the ones with pxe
[10:24] <ogra> lucasvo, no idea ... janimo is in -devel, he's the xfce maintainer ... and crimsun is somethimes here .. he'S the other one
[10:27] <chevy> thanks ogra lucasvo
[11:09] <lucasvo> ogra: ping


[06:58] <mborzecki> morning
[08:03] <mardy> hi!
[08:05] <pstolowski> morning
[08:34] <zyga> o/
[09:44] <mup> PR snapd#11262 opened: cmd/snap: adjust /cmd to migration changes  <⛔ Blocked> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11262>
[13:08] <mborzecki> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11122 needs reviews 🙂 and it's fairly simple
[13:08] <mup> PR #11122: tests: setup snapd remodel testing bits <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11122>
[14:10] <mup> PR snapd#11263 opened: snap-bootstrap: Cleanup dependencies in systemd mounts <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11263>
[14:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3624 closed: npm plugin: allow running as root <Created by om26er> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3624>
[14:56] <mup> PR snapd#11264 opened: overlord: remodel getting stuck on prerequisites <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11264>
[15:21] <pstolowski> mardy: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10864 can land right (with manual merging)?
[15:21] <mup> PR #10864: mount-control: step 3 <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10864>
[22:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#3625 opened: npm plugin: extract node archive without preserving ownership <Created by om26er> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3625>


[01:13] <karni> beuno: CardinalFan: i'll catch u guys on Tuesday, my train was 1,5 hours delayed, Im going  to sleep now. take care.
[02:35] <duanedesign> .14
[08:06] <psypher246> hi all
[08:07] <psypher246> honk
[09:04] <mandel> psypher246: ping
[09:06] <psypher246> hi, i'm quite frustrated. i had several gigabytes of music saved in my ubuntuone folder, i then synced all my data to a new pc (25GB+/-) which took about 3 weeks (as ubuntu one has no way of doing offline syncing :( ) and after all that data synced i have now realised that several hunder of my songs are just gone, the folder are all still there but there are no songs in them and ubuntu one IS the backup
[09:07] <psypher246> so i have lost all those songs
[09:07] <psypher246> this is a continuation of stability issue i mentioned in a bug that i logged
[09:07] <psypher246> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/673368
[09:08] <ubot4> psypher246: Error: Bug #673368 is private.
[09:08] <psypher246> ever since upgrading i have had issues
[09:10] <psypher246> mandel: u there?
[09:10] <duanedesign> psypher246: so the music you lost was removed from the cloud and the original computer?
[09:10] <psypher246> yup
[09:10] <psypher246> poof gone
[09:11] <duanedesign> psypher246: well rye, or someone , can help you get that back.
[09:11] <psypher246> how?
[09:11] <mandel> psypher246: ok, I 'm sure we can get your files back, let me see who is around at the moment
[09:11] <psypher246> where would all those files be hidden?
[09:11] <mandel> psypher246: we have access to the servers, we can look at what happened to them
[09:12] <mandel> psypher246: it is possible to recover them, but I need to check with the ore server oriented guys, I more into the desktop things… let me check
[09:12] <psypher246> ok
[09:13] <duanedesign> psypher246: apart from the missing songs, has it completed the syncing of your other data?
[09:13] <psypher246> yes
[09:13] <psypher246> about 3GB of stuff is missing
[09:13] <mandel> psypher246: is there anything special in you os, I mean, do you use a lang that is not eng etc..
[09:13] <psypher246> nope
[09:14] <mandel> psypher246: ok, so to ge things clear in my head, you synced, and the files are not longer to be found in any of the machines, not the one that synced them, not the others, is that right?
[09:15] <mandel> psypher246: an of course they are not to be found in the web
[09:15] <psypher246> yeah thats right
[09:16] <duanedesign> psypher246: can you also run this command to see if U1 has any other plans to do anything : u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[09:17] <mandel> duanedesign: can you give psypher246 a hand with the command u1sdtool things to see what is going on, I thin rye should be in soon, there is no one else better than him to help
[09:17] <psypher246> u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[09:17] <psypher246> 0
[09:17] <mandel> psypher246: in which time zone are u?
[09:18] <duanedesign> and again replacing metadata with content i.e u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[09:18] <psypher246> gmt +2
[09:18] <psypher246> u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[09:18] <psypher246> 0
[09:19] <duanedesign> kk
[09:20] <duanedesign> psypher246: and for good measure lets see what the status is.  u1sdtool -s
[09:20] <psypher246> u1sdtool -s
[09:20] <psypher246> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[09:20] <psypher246>     connection: With User With Network
[09:20] <psypher246>     description: processing queues
[09:20] <psypher246>     is_connected: True
[09:20] <psypher246>     is_error: False
[09:20] <psypher246>     is_online: True
[09:20] <psypher246>     queues: IDLE
[09:20] <duanedesign> ok
[09:21] <mandel> psypher246: ok, I think rye is at utc + 1 so he will be here soon, if duanedesign cannot find what is going on, can you please wait for rye, if not, please file a bug with your user details(everything but password), set it private and send me the launchpad number
[09:21] <mandel> psypher246: I'll make sure that rye gets it so we can solve it asap
[09:21] <psypher246> ok
[09:21] <psypher246> thanks
[09:22] <duanedesign> psypher246: does the bug report have your syncdaemon.log?
[09:22] <duanedesign> ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[09:23] <psypher246> i don't know if u want to make this a separate issue, but all my problems (auto start, not syncing cacelling sync halfway and now missing files) started since upgrading to the latest u1 via PPA on lucid
[09:26] <duanedesign> often it is easiest just to right click your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/  select compress and attach that to the bug report. That will make sure you dont get asked for logs more then once :)
[09:31] <duanedesign> psypher246: do you have folders other then Ubuntu One folder set to sync? Meaning this command returns  folders --> u1sdtool --list-folders
[09:36] <psypher246> no folders
[09:37] <duanedesign> psypher246: ok
[09:37] <duanedesign> psypher246: ok what is the number from this command:  find ~/Ubuntu\ One | wc -l
[09:38] <psypher246> 14603
[09:39] <duanedesign> ok.. yeah that takes a bit on start up. Lets see if we can...what about this command: find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm/ -type d -empty | wc -l
[09:39] <psypher246> 108
[09:41] <duanedesign> hmm. ok 108 is not going to make a huge difference in startup time.
[09:53] <psypher246> why are you worries about the startup time?
[09:53] <psypher246> worried*
[09:55] <duanedesign> psypher246: you had mentioned it was not connecting at boot. I was hoping I could speed up the start up
[09:56] <psypher246> no it never connects
[09:56] <psypher246> not a slow timing issue
[09:56] <psypher246> yo9u can leave it for days it will not connect, only manually
[09:56] <psypher246> and then it will also just disconnect by itself
[09:57] <duanedesign> well I thinkn rye can help you with your files
[09:57] <duanedesign> bug 673368
[09:57] <ubot4> duanedesign: Bug 673368 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/673368 is private
[09:57] <duanedesign> rye: ^
[09:58] <duanedesign> rye: oh, and good morning :)
[10:02] <duanedesign> rye: psypher246 is missing files. syncdaemon is done doing stuff. --waiting-metadata/content | wc -l are at 0. All his 14603 files are in his Ubuntu one dirctory. 108 in .../fsm. Was also attempting to debug startup issues because that was another issue psypher246 is having.
[10:03] <duanedesign> i think that is the extent of the info i had gotten.
[10:03] <rye> psypher246, the reason of the crash on startup behavior is the bug introduced by me, bug #683116 attempting to "patch" bug with freezing desktop #639017
[10:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 683116 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon silently crashes at startup (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683116
[10:04] <duanedesign> rye: ahh, i was just reading that
[10:06] <rye> psypher246, basically in case dbus autostart does not find the name of the service in 2 minutes it kills the process. Well, OTOH freezing desktop (nautilus) for more than 2 minutes is another issue...
[10:07] <psypher246> rye, fyi do you knowe about the seriousl linux bug with regards to the kernel and heavy disk io severely affecting desktop responsiveness?
[10:07] <rye> duanedesign, well, the chicharra team has come up with something that now takes less than 5 seconds for syncdaemon to start up
[10:08] <psypher246> ie whole pc freezez when any disk activity is ongoing for a period of time
[10:09] <duanedesign> rye: aha, which would result in all u1sdtool commands returning Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[10:09] <rye> psypher246, i am well familiar with the symptoms but not so about the source of that, i recall seing cgroup-ing by tty patch, and bug #131094 ...
[10:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 131094 in linux-source-2.6.22 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Heavy Disk I/O harms desktop responsiveness (affects: 122) (dups: 6) (heat: 824)" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131094
[10:10] <psypher246> think i might not come back from the party bended i will go on when that bloody bug is squashed and linux goes back to being a fast OS
[10:10] <psypher246> bender*
[10:11] <psypher246> anyway rye, any ideas on my lost files?
[10:12] <rye> psypher246, let me read the backlog
[10:12] <psypher246> ;)
[10:15] <rye> psypher246, ok, so the folders that should have contained the files are there, but the music files themselves are not, is that correct?
[10:17] <psypher246> yup
[10:17] <psypher246> i only noticed today, not sure exactly when they dissapeared
[10:18] <psypher246> but the other pc only finished syncing about a week back
[10:22] <rye> psypher246, are these files present on another pc?
[10:22] <psypher246> nope none of them
[10:32] <mandel> psypher246: I think rye is here, he is the one that can help you
[10:33] <psypher246> mandel: yeah he is thanks
[12:21] <ralsina> good morning everyone
[13:58] <mandel> @ping
[13:58] <ubot4> pong
[13:59] <dobey> holas todos
[14:00] <CardinalFang> j0.
[14:05] <ralsina> hola mandel, dobey CardinalFang
[14:06] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[14:06] <ralsina> Sorry I was late for standup
[14:06] <mandel> sorry I'm later for the stand up
[14:06] <ralsina> hahahaha
[14:06] <mandel> he
[14:06] <ralsina> ok, mandel, dobey, standup?
[14:06] <ralsina> me
[14:06] <mandel> me
[14:06] <dobey> me
[14:06] <mandel> wait, are we the only 3?
[14:06] <ralsina> yup
[14:07] <mandel> ok, then your turn :)
[14:07] <ralsina> nessita is taking the day off, everyone else os on vacation
[14:07] <ralsina> DONE: setup of windows dev. env., started fooling around with qt frontend, 5 reviews
[14:07] <ralsina> TODO: start real qt work
[14:07] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[14:07] <ralsina> mandel?
[14:07] <mandel> DONE: Yesterday night, help ralsina to set up his windows machine.Fixed bug 692923 and bug 692907. Several reviews for nessita.
[14:07] <mandel> TODO: Ensure u1trial works correctly on windows for desktopcouch. Implement couchdb msi and couchdb process launch for desktopcouch
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 692923 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "Subprocess cannot find pylint on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692923
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 692907 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "Ignore dbus tests on Windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692907
[14:08] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[14:08] <mandel> dobey: please, your turn
[14:08] <dobey> λ DONE: bug 692566, initial work for protocol backport to lucid (in beta ppa)
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 692566 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "ImportError: No module named tools (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692566
[14:08] <dobey> λ TODO: 683351, initial client backport work for lucid, rbox plug-in release/upload for bug 691647
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 691647 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Cannot enable plugin: ImportError: No module named defer (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691647
[14:08] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:08] <ralsina> dobey: that's being backported to lucid? cool :-)
[14:08] <dobey> what is?
[14:09] <ralsina> the protocol. Just that or is all the client work to be backported?
[14:09] <dobey> not all of it. enough to make it as usable as in maverick
[14:09] <ralsina> dobey: ok
[14:09] <ralsina> so, any comments, requests, whatever?
[14:10] <ralsina> mandel: I may try to do some pyqt frontend for linux, too, just because I want something I can kinda test?
[14:10] <ralsina> mandel: what parts of the UI do you feel are more important and should be done first?
[14:11]  * ralsina is thinking control panel thingie
[14:11] <mandel> ralsina: most important are those that show the accunt info and the devices
[14:11] <mandel> ralsina: if those are in the control panel.. I have not seen the new design
[14:11] <ralsina> mandel: which means I have to do the login stuff first, of course
[14:11] <dobey> we need to split stuff
[14:12] <mandel> ralsina: we need to port ubuntu sso to windows, the best thing to do is you to write pyqt for kde for sso, then I'll do the port
[14:12] <ralsina> so, I will code the login stuff against linux sso, then you port the sso to windows?
[14:13] <ralsina> dobey: which stuff?
[14:13] <mandel> ralsina: yes, it is in lp:ubuntu-sso-client
[14:13] <mandel> ralsina: all the rest calls are there etc… you will just have to write the ui
[14:13] <dobey> ralsina: ubuntuone-client
[14:13] <mandel> ralsina: once that is there, we can port the dbus stuff, since there is already a branch with the keyring stuff
[14:14] <mandel> dobey: I agree… we need to split stuff, it would be nice to kick sd to another project shared by the diff clients, so the nautilus code stand alone, it would be nicer
[14:16] <dobey> huh?
[14:16] <dobey> no, the gnome stuff should be split out
[14:17] <ralsina> dobey: yes, but I don't see that happening too soon
[14:18] <dobey> and u1client
[14:18] <dobey> err
[14:18] <dobey> u1sync
[15:28] <karni> beuno: CardinalFang: I'm here if you need me. I'd also like to talk about service API, IPC [AIDL] method calls on the wiki were just an idea, I think I came up with a better way to do that. CardinalFang, ping me and we'll talk about that :)
[15:29] <CardinalFang> karni, hi hi.
[15:29] <karni> CardinalFang: hi there Chad!
[15:30] <karni> CardinalFang: tell me what you had on your mind yesterday about the API
[15:30] <karni> CardinalFang: I'm considering an Intent-based API, that'd be much easier for 3rd party dev's to use, instead of binding to a service.
[15:30] <karni> but that's up to disscussion.
[15:31] <karni> I also corrected the API in case we'd stick with binding to the service, but that's still on a piece of paper [didn't have conditions to work on the train :< ]
[15:32] <karni> CardinalFang: we've got browsing and download working, I'll work today on upload and having done that, it should be ready to merge.
[15:33] <CardinalFang> karni, I need to look at the original sync daemon more.
[15:33] <karni> CardinalFang: would you like me to push the code?
[15:33] <CardinalFang> karni, Excellent!
[15:34] <karni> CardinalFang: by the way, I plan for implementing a real queue (downloads, uploads, meta sync, etc) in Jan/Feb, since that's quite a number of lines in the python implementation. and what we need is to
[15:35] <karni> wrap the commands, queue them, and fire the Deferreds when ready. currently the SyncDaemon fires deferreds (say, uploads) at wish. Java Future takes of the rest.
[15:35] <karni> but I want to have that fixed, just a little later.
[15:36] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll fix a few lines in the new re-write as I was in a middle of something, and push it. I'll ping you soon.
[15:36] <karni> CardinalFang: by the way.. the code is not licensed yet.. you have any good tips on automatically appending the license at top of source files in Eclipse ?
[15:37] <CardinalFang> karni, I don't use Eclipse.
[15:37] <karni> CardinalFang: I see. anyhow, you have any automated way to append that at the beginning of source files, other than a bash script ;D ?
[15:38] <kklimonda> karni: cat license_file file.java > file.java.new && mv file.java.new file.java
[15:39] <karni> kklimonda: I meant something like $include 'licence.txt' at the top, and $ant do_it_for_me ;)
[15:39] <kklimonda> karni: you can also use sed and some magic string like %FILENAME% if you have to change part of the header.
[15:39] <karni> kklimonda: but still, thanks ^ ^
[15:39] <kklimonda> karni: you sound like a true Java developer :P
[15:39] <CardinalFang> karni, or "perl -p -i -e 'BEGIN {}'".  maybe.
[15:40] <karni> kklimonda: that was actually something more of a c++ thing, I just used 'ant' because it's indeed Java ;P
[15:40] <karni> CardinalFang: thanks for suggestion
[15:41] <CardinalFang> karni, I'm probably wrong.  Perl is increasingly a mystery to me.
[15:41] <kklimonda> karni: now you live in the Linux world of C hackers so just use sed and cat like all of them ;)
[15:41] <karni> ;)
[15:41] <karni> licensing is such a pain in the butt :D
[15:42] <kklimonda> indeed - that's why I try not to forget about that..
[15:43] <dobey> i just end up copy/pasting usually
[15:43] <CardinalFang> +1
[15:43] <karni> dobey: same here ;)
[15:44] <karni> CardinalFang: I wanted to check if 'ant debug' was still working and ended up with
[15:44] <karni> BUILD FAILED
[15:44] <karni> /home/mike/src/android/ubuntuone-android-files/build.xml:81: /home/mike/src/android/ubuntuone-android-files/${external.libs.absolute.dir} not found.
[15:44] <karni> oops.. I'll make you unhappy again.
[15:44] <karni> let me fix the ant setup hehe
[15:45] <CardinalFang> Yeah, sounds like the "properties" files don't exist.
[15:49] <kklimonda> hmm.. anyone familiar with ConfigParser from python?
[15:50] <CardinalFang> kklimonda, probably.
[15:51] <kklimonda> CardinalFang: any way I could use it as a dictionary? like parser["section"]["setting"]?
[15:52] <kklimonda> (I use values from ini file to format a string for sqlalchemy connection)
[15:52] <CardinalFang> kklimonda, You probably need to wrap it in a new class you make that implements the dictionary methods.
[15:53] <kklimonda> CardinalFang: right, that would work.
[15:53] <CardinalFang> kklimonda, and note, keys are insensitive to case unless you hack up the ConfigParser.
[15:54] <kklimonda> CardinalFang: yes, I know that
[15:54] <kklimonda> I actually discovered that by accident when playing with it
[15:54] <karni> beuno: ping
[15:54] <beuno> karni, pong
[15:57] <CardinalFang> karni, will the queue-using code have the same interface as the interface you mentioned previously?
[15:58] <karni> CardinalFang: /win 11
[15:58] <karni> ops
[15:58] <karni> brb 1"
[15:58] <CardinalFang> karni, I'm itching to get this photo-enqueuing code into your branch soon.
[15:59] <CardinalFang> The more I think and work on it, the smaller it gets!
[15:59] <CardinalFang> My line-of-code-per-day productivity will plummet.
[16:00] <karni> CardinalFang: I'm back, sorry
[16:01] <karni> CardinalFang: no, the queue implemenation won't change any interfaces/api's
[16:01] <karni> CardinalFang: but I'd *love* to have a discussion on the apis with you/beuno/aquarius
[16:02] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll be done with upload asap and you'll merge your work :) I'll have that really soon.
[16:02]  * karni licenses the code
[16:03] <kklimonda> close it!! ;)
[16:21] <karni> CardinalFang: please note this is strongly work-in-progress. in particular, there's no indication when initial meta-sync has finished, plus UDFs and Shares sections are temporarily empty.
[16:22] <karni> CardinalFang: lp:~mkarnicki/ubuntuone-android-files/browse-and-download
[16:22] <karni> CardinalFang: if you have a moment, I'd like to talk about API. it'd be best if you told me what you need, and I can provide that while implementing upload
[16:23] <karni> CardinalFang: for 3rd parties, I think Intent with an extra:ResultReceiver would be a good idea. the service could have BroadcastReceiver, and handle such intents. no need to bind and make IPC calls
[16:24] <karni> CardinalFang: but since you'll be integrating, you'll probably be interested in the basics of syncdaemon upload - which will be something like uploadFile(Uri uri) .
[16:29]  * karni walks the dog
[16:50] <mandel> dobey: ping
[17:11] <karni> It's -8C here. Feels like -15C or less. Freezing :<
[17:23]  * karni starts coding upload
[17:27] <beuno> karni, it's 30C here
[17:28] <karni> beuno: :O
[17:30] <karni> beuno: I've pushed (strongly WIP status) lp:~mkarnicki/ubuntuone-android-files/browse-and-download and started working on upload.
[17:31] <karni> beuno: i'm saying strongly work in progress, because we'll have a dialog/splash screen during initial sync, and UDFs and Shares are temporarily empty. plus tons of work to do till the end of year.
[17:32] <beuno> karni, can I haz a build?
[17:32] <karni> beuno: you can build it, I an also provide an .apk, if you'd like that :)
[17:32]  * karni gets the apkg
[17:32] <karni> *apk
[17:33] <beuno> karni, thanks  :)
[17:33] <beuno> I'm lazy today, it's very hot!
[17:35] <karni> beuno: np :) (excuse my connection speed, apk is on the way to U1)
[17:36] <rye> karni, we will wait until they get +40 and higher like we had this summer...
[17:37] <karni> rye: uhh o_O +40C is.. terrible
[17:40] <dobey> mandel: hey
[17:41] <mandel> dobey: hello, did you see my responses :)
[17:41] <dobey> mandel: not yet; no
[17:42] <mandel> dobey: unfortunately fixing pylint and pyflakes with one code is not that easy, python is very ugly on windows :(
[17:43] <mandel> dobey: regarding changing the if, Ive got no issue is just my style of thiking nothing else
[17:43] <dobey> sigh; and firefox just caused my kernel to oops
[17:44] <dobey> pretty sure i have bad memory now, but no good way to test it
[17:45] <dobey> wonder what will happen if i pull one of the sticks out. probably won't even boot. yay dual channel :(
[17:46] <rye> ok, i have 12 K files in ubuntuon folder & running tritcask branch
[17:47] <verterok> rye: and how it's working?
[17:47] <verterok> :)
[17:48] <dobey> mandel: i don't understand your comment about easy_install for pyflakes and how it is relevant to finding the python path and searching for executables in there
[17:48] <mandel> dobey: finding the path, is ok, the problem is finding the actual command to run
[17:48] <mandel> dobey: so, my coment is, less fix pylint, then do pyflakes and generalize
[17:49] <mandel> rather than do both in the same, I prefer step by step
[17:49] <rye> verterok, awesome, on 9K files from cold cache to LOCAL_RESCAN in 5 seconds
[17:50] <verterok> rye: cool
[17:52] <dobey> mandel: i'd need to understand the problem to be able to make a definite agreement on that. but i don't like iteration for the sake of iterating, and that's what it seems like here. smaller branches are better, yes, but as i understand it, the difference in diff size here would be maybe one or two additional lines. unless there is some vastly more complex problem (which you suggest there is), but then it would probably also be a
[17:52] <rye> verterok, 34 Mb in tritcasc data, 2 dead files, one inactive and 1 live
[17:53] <verterok> rye: ah, dead files should be removed in the next startup
[17:53] <verterok> rye: it's a lot better in real disk usage, a lot less wasted blocks :)
[17:54] <rye> verterok, a lot less files and folders to scan... don't know about ureadahead, with this startup spead it is just awesome w/o ureadahead helper
[17:54] <mandel> dobey: the issue is the following, if you install pyflakes, using eay_install, the script will be in the same location, yet you will need to call it as python pyflakes
[17:55] <verterok> rye: :)
[17:55] <dobey> mandel: doesn't that same issue exist with pylint?
[17:55] <verterok> rye: just a couple of reviews away from being in nightlies ;)
[17:55] <mandel> dobey: no, pylint installs a .bat too which does that
[17:55] <mandel> dobey: is very inconsistent
[17:56] <dobey> mandel: why don't we just check for the script itself and not bother with the .bat, and just run "python foo" oursleves?
[17:56] <dobey> mandel: seems like that would solve the problem then
[17:57] <ralsina> dobey: I got lucid running now
[17:57] <ralsina> dobey: should I just set a PPA or do you need me to build something in it?
[17:57] <dobey> ralsina: cool; got u1 working on it?
[17:57] <ralsina> dobey: let me login...
[17:57] <dobey> ralsina: well i'd like to verify "current working condition" first, and then install a package and make sure it's not "worse than previous working condition" :)
[17:58] <ralsina> dobey: ok, let's see the first one then :-)
[17:58] <mandel> dobey: sure, you will have to call the installed pylint code and then you have to know the installed version since the the path in site-packages depends on it
[17:58] <mandel> dobey: you need to find the installed egg anc call it, which is very lame
[17:58] <dobey> mandel: what are the contents of pylint.bat exactly?
[17:59] <mandel> dobey: I'll paste bin them
[18:00] <ralsina> dobey: it logs into u1, not sure if it's syncing files yet
[18:00] <mandel> dobey: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/546335/
[18:01] <ralsina> dobey: gotta go for mumble, I'll check it in a few minutes
[18:01] <mandel> dobey: while for pyflackes http://paste.ubuntu.com/546339/
[18:01] <dobey> mandel: so we don't have to find an egg or anything, just do python.exe c:\whatever\pylint
[18:02] <dobey> which is what you're saying we have to do for pyflakes too
[18:02] <mandel> dobey: yes
[18:02]  * mandel feels stupid
[18:02] <mandel> dobey: I need to go for holidays, I was thinking about it int he wrong way, I'll propose a branch with that :)
[18:03] <mandel> dobey: anyways, I need to g and grab the train, have a merry xmas and all that
[18:03] <mandel> ralsina, rye, same for you ^
[18:03] <mandel> laters!
[18:03] <rye> mandel, thanks!
[18:04] <ralsina> dobey: seems to work, but it feels broken. It took a few minutes to give me a quota usage number, for example
[18:05] <dobey> ralsina: slow isn't necessarily broken. let me know when it thinks it is done synchronizing, and if it actually synchronized everything for you
[18:07] <ralsina> ok
[18:08] <dobey> oh that is depressing
[18:09] <dobey> i paid $80 for this memory in august. now it's $46
[18:32] <CardinalFang> karni, did you add all files for that branch?  My copy doesn't come close to compiling.
[18:33] <karni> oh.. :(
[18:33] <karni> um.. I'm sure. But I'll run bzr add again
[18:34] <karni> CardinalFang: first thing which fails for you is.. ?
[18:35] <CardinalFang> FilesUtilities.java:39: package com.ubuntuone.storageprotocol.StorageProtocol.FileInfo does not exist
[18:35] <CardinalFang> So "bzr st" doesn't say anything, k?
[18:35] <karni> no, nothing.
[18:36] <karni> I'm wondering if I updated the dep's manually..
[18:37] <CardinalFang> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546355/
[18:37] <karni> CardinalFang: you'd have to rebuild the storageprotocol, the jar has changed after protocol updates. would you like me to send you the .jar ?
[18:37] <CardinalFang> Yes please.
[18:37] <karni> right, definitely. ok
[18:39] <CardinalFang> karni, maybe setup should have a checksum.
[18:40] <karni> CardinalFang: check mail. + please pull rev 7, fixed one bug
[18:40] <karni> CardinalFang: neat idea
[18:40] <karni> CardinalFang: indeed, sometimes I rebuild the sp jar when verterok pings me with new features
[18:41] <karni> CardinalFang: beuno: the re-write source has not been pushed to the trunk yet. should I remove the branch and perform a clean push to trunk of the re-write ?
[18:42] <CardinalFang> karni, i think we should just move it to a new series and make this new one the new trunk.
[18:42] <CardinalFang> karni, I can do that, I think.
[18:43]  * beuno agrees
[18:44] <karni> CardinalFang: beuno: you guys definitely know your ways around better than be, do whatever is best :) as long as ppl pulling from lp:ubuntuone-android-files will get what they should get ^ ^
[18:45] <karni> CardinalFang: so next time I start hacking on stuff, i should bzr pull, then do whatever I need, commit and bzr push. correct?
[18:45] <karni> *push to a new branch that I will request a merge
[18:46] <CardinalFang> Right.
[18:46] <karni> Thank you.
[18:49] <ralsina> dobey: it syncs
[18:49] <ralsina> so, how do I break it? :-)
[18:52] <dobey> ralsina: if you install python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol from ppa:ubuntuone/beta and let me know if it continues working after restarting everything, or if anything breaks or what, that would be awesome :)
[18:52] <ralsina> dobey: I'm on it!
[18:54] <ralsina> dobey: rebooting
[18:54] <CardinalFang> karni, updated.  lp:ubuntuone-android-files is a copy of your push of earlier today.
[18:55] <CardinalFang> karni, old trunk is at  lp:ubuntuone-android-files/first-draft
[18:55] <karni> CardinalFang: thank you, looks great :)
[18:55] <ralsina> dobey: still syncs
[18:56] <ralsina> dobey: so it seems not to break anything
[18:56]  * CardinalFang hugs Launchpad again.
[18:56] <dobey> great
[18:58] <ralsina> at least for 2 minutes of testing
[19:00] <CardinalFang> verterok, can Launchpad build storageprotocol jars nightly or on-change or on-release or something.  I want a URL of a jar file.
[19:01] <dobey> upgrading systems right now, then moving onto my laptop to do some work while i mess with unplugging memory in my workstation to see which piece is bad :(
[19:01] <verterok> CardinalFang: no idea how to make launchpad build a jar...
[19:01] <dobey> CardinalFang: no, it can only build debs
[19:01] <verterok> CardinalFang: I can upload the latest snapshot to a server...
[19:03] <dobey> CardinalFang: and lp doesn't have a general file hosting thing at least. not sure posting them as new "downloads" on the project series is a great idea. maybe if you create a "nightlies" series, and post them as downloads on that series
[19:03] <verterok> CardinalFang: but it should simple to build your own it only requires protobuf compiler and maven (+some disk space)
[19:03] <karni> verterok: and the keyword will be "and maven" ;D
[19:04] <verterok> hehe
[19:04] <dobey> CardinalFang: then you could write a fairly simple script to build a jar, and post it as a new download to that series
[19:04] <CardinalFang> verterok, I'm trying not to laugh at "only requires ... maven".
[19:04] <karni> hahah
[19:04] <verterok> CardinalFang: it's like a only requires X, maven is a single zip file ;)
[19:05] <verterok> CardinalFang: I used to have a hudson instance running, but since I moved I was able to get enough time to setup that machine again :/
[19:05] <verterok> *wasn't
[19:05] <CardinalFang> dobey, I was thinking of filenames with "nightly-YYYYMMDDHH" inside.
[19:05] <dobey> it's like how the firefox installer is a 4k binary, that then downloads 250 MB of crap
[19:05] <karni> CardinalFang: I know having lp build that would be very awesome. in practice, we rebuild it every month or two. I could rebuild that regularly
[19:06] <ralsina> CardinalFang: yeah, this software only requires eye of newt and unicorn beef.
[19:06] <ralsina> that, or a small hippopotamus.
[19:06] <karni> dobey: hahah :)
[19:06] <dobey> CardinalFang: you can name the files whatever you want, but posting to normal development series can get confusing
[19:06] <verterok> guys, disk is cheap nowadays
[19:06] <dobey> verterok: but bandwidth isn't for everyone
[19:06] <dobey> myself excluded
[19:07] <karni> perhaps throwing that as a download in u1-android-files would do?
[19:07] <karni> and I could rebuild it anytime neccessary.
[19:07] <dobey> maven?
[19:07]  * verterok is temped to setup a vm to test how much disk and bandwidth is used to build u1-java-sp
[19:08] <karni> dobey: no, the ubuntuone-java-storageprotocol.jar snapshot
[19:08] <dobey> and if disk is cheap, how come i always see people complaining about how they're about to run out of it!
[19:09] <ralsina> dobey: porn is cheaper than disk?
[19:09] <karni> which we would include in the setup script CardinalFang has written (it download .jar deps of the project)
[19:09] <karni> ralsina++ hahah
[19:09] <CardinalFang> As long as I'm moaning, please put a timestamp in  "storageprotocol-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar" or something.
[19:09] <dobey> heh
[19:09]  * ralsina is procrastinating.  Thank you
[19:29] <verterok> hmm, I think I need to bump the version of it...but later :)
[19:37] <CardinalFang> verterok, that is very useful.  Thank you.
[19:38] <CardinalFang> karni, I've updated the setup in trunk to download from that.  \m/
[19:38] <karni> CardinalFang: lovely. I'll do a bzr pull :)
[19:40] <karni> CardinalFang: nice
[19:40] <CardinalFang> karni, it's almost like we're a real project now!
[19:40] <karni> CardinalFang: haha, it does feel like a real one! what are we missing ^ ^?
[19:41] <karni> CardinalFang: I already have a nano sized fix that brings back UDFs and Shares
[19:41] <CardinalFang> karni, a logo.
[19:41] <karni> CardinalFang: :D
[19:41] <beuno> and a mustache
[19:41] <CardinalFang> I think those shall be the same.
[19:43] <karni> CardinalFang: umm you were saying about UDFs and Shares?
[19:45] <CardinalFang> karni, I don't know.  I think I was thinking that a path name wasn't sufficient to upload, and we needed a share name/id to contain it also.  Maybe I dreamed it.
[19:46] <dobey> yay
[19:47] <dobey> maybe i spoke too soon
[19:47] <karni> CardinalFang: I think we should automagically upload photos/vids/recordings (whichever the user wishes) to a previously designated folder. Maybe even a pre-set one, such as ~/Ubuntu One/Android-uploads. beuno, what do you think?
[19:48] <karni> CardinalFang: naturally, we can modify the API to support any destination upload
[19:49] <karni> In such case, would need volumeId and preferred path.
[19:50] <CardinalFang> karni, I think the wind currently blows toward putting these media inside the default Ubuntu\ One/ share.
[19:51] <CardinalFang> Er, I'm wrong.
[19:51] <karni> CardinalFang: Agreed. But we don't want to put it directly there, do we? Maybe let's agree on a sensible folder name at least.
[19:51] <CardinalFang> Custom UDF, with a symlink in the desktop's Ubuntu\ One/
[19:52] <CardinalFang> ~/.ubuntuone/Photos
[19:52] <CardinalFang> ^ How's that?
[19:52] <karni> That on the desktop, I assume. Looks good.
[19:53] <dobey> that might be weird
[19:53] <karni> I assume the U1F would setup the UDF at initial start?
[19:53] <dobey> to have two Photos UDFs that is
[19:53] <dobey> given that ~/Photos is likely to be there
[19:54] <karni> dobey: but ~/Photos may not be a UDF. or a place user want's his uploads to land.
[19:55] <karni> We take a picture, where do we want to have it when we get back home?
[19:55] <beuno> right, they may already have pictures, and we don't want to sync them automatically
[19:55] <dobey> karni: in the pictures library.
[19:55] <dobey> ie, shotwell, f-spot, whatever
[19:55] <dobey> hrmm
[19:55] <dobey> this is not good
[19:55] <karni> dobey: I assume these programs scan users home, no?
[19:56] <dobey> the main menu, and notifications, on my laptop, pop up BEHIND all my windows :(
[19:56] <CardinalFang> karni, Probably not currently.
[19:56] <dobey> karni: i don't know what they do exactly. sorry, was being a bit facetious there :)
[19:56] <karni> :)
[19:57] <dobey> are the uploads "i want to have them on my computer also" or are they "uploaded and then removed from the phone" ?
[19:57] <karni> dobey: "also" version
[19:57] <karni> dobey: plus, the auto-sync of photos is optional. a setting in preferences screen (to be done).
[19:57] <karni> and so can be videos and voice notes/voice recordings, if we want them.
[19:58] <karni> The question is, what's the most suitable place to land them on a users PC.
[19:58] <CardinalFang> beuno,  How about actual  ~/.ubuntuone/Photos  with symlink to that as  ~/Photos/Ubuntu\ One ?
[19:58] <beuno> CardinalFang, yeah, I think that's the way to go
[19:58] <karni> CardinalFang: that's a good idea!
[19:58] <dobey> uhm
[19:59] <dobey> if ~/Photos and ~/.ubuntuone/Photos are both UDFs, how do they show up in the web?
[20:00] <beuno> I'm pretty sure we don't follow symlinks in the website, so we can fudge the way we display it (ie, replace the symlink with the UDF on the web io)
[20:00] <beuno> *ui
[20:01] <CardinalFang> Currently web ui "Purchased Music" is ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One
[20:01] <karni> Wheres that practice from to put files in hidden folders? Why not directly under ~/Photos/Ubuntu\ One ? (sorry if the answer is obvious)
[20:01] <dobey> ah, so it does show it with the ugliness :(
[20:01] <karni> aha.. that would explain the consistency.
[20:01] <CardinalFang> karni, the sync daemon does not allow UDFs inside UDFs.
[20:01] <dobey> karni: you can't have a UDF inside a UDF
[20:02] <beuno> right, we can hide that if we want
[20:02] <karni> aha, thank you guys
[20:02] <karni> Sounds great then :)
[20:02] <CardinalFang> karni, so one day, if user decides to share all of ~/Photos, they'd get an error.
[20:02] <dobey> well if it was at least called "Android Photos" instead of just "Photos" it would make it clearer in places
[20:02] <CardinalFang> "Mobile Photos" is in our discussion from July.
[20:03] <dobey> that would work too
[20:03] <karni> Yes, I'd make it something clearer, like 'Mobile Photos'
[20:04] <dobey> kind of like how facebook automatically does the "Mobile Uploads" album
[20:04] <CardinalFang> Who says nothing gets done the last two weeks of the year?
[20:04] <dobey> existentialists
[20:04] <karni> dobey: lol, I just thought we could make 'Mobile Uploads' with subfolders for Photos/Videos/Recordings
[20:04] <karni> CardinalFang: hahah :)
[20:06] <karni> CardinalFang: question is -- on which side we create those? Since we need the symlink, should the desktop U1 take care of creading both the ~/.ubuntuone/Mobile\ Photos UDF and the symlink?
[20:06] <karni> The app could create the UDF with given ^ preferred path, but there'd be no symlink in the ~/Ubuntu\ One folder.
[20:07] <dobey> i don't know if i'd put a symlink inside ~/Photos
[20:07] <karni> dobey: they where thinking more in lines of ~/Ubuntu\ One/Photos
[20:08] <karni> it'd make more sense, since U1F is part of U1 mobile suite (as I'd call it)
[20:08] <dobey> that's better, yes
[20:13] <karni> ant hates me..
[20:13] <dobey> just watch out for the hills
[20:13] <CardinalFang> karni, dobey, I intended the UDF to be symlinked to  ~/Photos/Ubuntu\ One , since that would not make us change f-spot, shotwell, gthumb, et c.
[20:13] <dobey> man, how do i re-enable the proprietary nvidia drivers
[20:14] <karni> CardinalFang: Ah, you've got a point there.
[20:14] <CardinalFang> dobey, Sys/Admin/Additional ?
[20:14] <dobey> CardinalFang: i did that. it says "enabled but not in used" now after i rebooted :-/
[20:15] <CardinalFang> dobey, ah, no idea.  "dmesg" and googling for you.
[20:18] <dobey> 2249weird
[20:23]  * karni phone call
[20:27] <dobey> well i've got to sort through ~200 commits :(
[20:46] <dobey> urbanape: ooh, that's a big scope
[20:47]  * karni has supper
[21:14] <urbanape> dobey: technically, it belongs to a friend of mine, but I've been ... housing it for several years now
[21:16] <dobey> urbanape: yeah. mine's a 114mm newtonian
[21:17] <dobey> of course, i haven't ever really gotten to use it
[21:21] <dobey> later all
[21:56] <cythrawll> hi
[21:57] <cythrawll> I'm curious about the infastructure of ubuntu one, anyone qualified to answer questions?
[21:57] <cythrawll> mostly what distributed filesystem that's used
[21:57] <karni> cythrawll: U1 uses Amazon S3 storage, if that's what you mean
[21:57] <cythrawll> ah ok
[21:58] <cythrawll> that's what I mean
[21:58] <karni> cythrawll: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/TechnicalDetails
[21:59] <cythrawll> just doing some research on such things and wondering what other services use.
[22:00] <karni> CardinalFang: I'm sorry to bother you, but have you tried running U1F using ant setup? see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546410/ -- this problem does not appear when I build U1F using Eclipse..
[22:00] <karni> cythrawll: Good luck with your research :)
[22:11] <karni> beuno: http://ubuntuone.com/p/Unf/ UDFs and Shares are back in place. I was trying to make ant build work, but need a hand from Chad with that. ant doesn't like me.
[22:12] <karni> beuno: oh, you might want to uninstall first, this time.
[22:18] <beuno> karni, wooo!
[22:18] <karni> :)
[22:19] <karni> aquarius would be happy, finally having those UDFs
[22:21] <beuno> bbiab
[22:44] <karni> beuno: hmm.. the log looks clean :< tell me how you broke it ;)! what did you do / where were you
[23:03] <beuno> karni, hm, don't remember
[23:03] <beuno> I also don't see udfs
[23:15] <karni> wow..


[12:22] <Emry> I have a quick question. :P If I create a folder inside of my Ubuntu One folder, and then create a symlink iin my home directory pointing to that folder, will dbus properly detect changes to that folder accessed through the symlink?
[12:26] <Emry> n/m I just answered my own question.  :-)
[12:29] <Emry> I think I just updated my work flow in a pretty major way. O.o  :-)  So far a happy customer.
[12:42] <facundobatista> Emry, the UbuntuOne client does not follow symlinks
[12:43] <Emry> facundobatista, I think you got what I was saying backwards. :)
[12:43] <Emry> Or I didn't word it right. ^^;;
[12:43] <Emry> Either is possible. :)
[12:43] <facundobatista> Emry, oh, I see
[12:44] <Emry> What I did was moved my www directory into the Ubuntu One folder, then put a symlinkg at ~/www to ~/Ubuntu\ One/www   :-)
[12:44] <facundobatista> Emry, note that soon you'll have the capability of setting *any* folder under your home to be synchronised by Ubuntu One
[12:44] <Emry> facundobatista, I know!! I am excited.  I just listened to the FLOSS interview today.  :P
[12:45] <facundobatista> Emry, which interview?
[12:45] <Emry> FLOSS Weekly rather.
[12:45]  * Emry runs to get the info.
[12:47] <Emry> FLOSS Weekly #99: Interview between Jono Bacon and Stewart Langrige.  (I may have spelled it wrong).
[12:48] <Emry> A guy from the Ubuntu One team. ^_^
[12:48] <Emry> It was the December 11'th eppisode.
[12:49] <facundobatista> Emry, ah, ok
[12:49] <Emry> :-) I get behind easily because I follow about four or five podcasts somewhat loyaly...
[12:49] <Emry> And that causes me to stay at least a few eppisodes behind on all of them. hehehe
[13:03] <Emry> I know that symlinks out don't work yet, but symlinks in are ok! :)
[13:23] <Emry> Hmmmm.  Are there known bugs with the web based notes feature?
[15:38] <beuno> Emry, there are
[15:38] <beuno> and I'm going to fix them soon  :)
[15:38] <beuno> sorry about that
[16:21] <Emry> Hehehehe.
[16:21] <Emry> Cool
[17:37] <Chris64> hi all
[17:39] <Chris64> is ubuntu one able to sync data over syncml?
[19:07] <aboSamoor> I am using lucid and I can not connect to ubuntuOne !
[19:13] <beuno> Chris64, it will soon
[21:07] <Chris64> beuno: that would be great :D and all data will be stored on the couch, right?
[21:15] <beuno> Chris64, yes sir
[21:38] <dobey> twitter is weird
[21:44] <Chris64> Thank you! Good Night, sir :)


[02:28] <pleia2> if anyone has time this weekend, need lots of summaries still: http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[19:30] <pleia2> moving summaries over to the wiki, almost ready for review :)
[19:52] <pleia2> ok, ready for review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue282
[20:08] <Unit193> No detected broken link
[20:09] <pleia2> thanks \o/


[03:11] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[05:41] <Alter-Ego> whoo a server list
[05:41] <Alter-Ego> are there docs on ltsp5 ?
[06:11] <kupesoft> Is there a sendmail replacement that just takes emails and sends them from another place via smtp?
[07:33] <theDtTvB> :part
[07:33] <theDtTvB> Oops sorry
[10:03] <pschulz01> Anyone around?
[05:03] <Skid> hi guys, I've got some EM64T hardawre - is this supported under the AMD64 package?
[05:03] <Skid> er, release, sorry
[05:06] <Ries> I think so yes
[05:06] <Skid> ah-ha I see, it is yeah
[05:06] <Skid> thanks.
[05:06] <Skid> "For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips."
[05:08] <Ries> Skid: I have a XEON.... I am just not into HW but teh amd64 package works
[05:09] <Skid> yeah, thanks
[07:36] <Alakazamz0r> will it run on Sparc2?
[07:37] <Alakazamz0r> sweet it will