[01:21] <dannyboy79_> anyone help with cached support with 2 sources with lineup
[02:05] <foxbuntu> superm1, you around?
[02:27] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop_, want to know something sad?
[02:28] <foxbuntu> tonight is the first time I have used MythDVD for the first time since I built this machine
[02:29] <pdragon|games> anyone have the URL of that article directhex wrote?
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop_> pdragon|games, google mythbuntu beta
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop_> it's on there somewhere
[02:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> foxbuntu, does it work?
[02:36] <therethinker2> so...
[02:37] <therethinker2> wow, timestamps were way off, nevermind
[02:42] <pdragon|games> yeah, i can't find it. happen to even remember which website the article was written for?
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop_> http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop_> booya
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop_> i'm that good
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop_> I searched for
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop_> mythbuntu chimney
[02:45] <pdragon|games> bah... i knew it had hex in it
[02:45] <pdragon|games> hah... i would've never thought of that
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop_> i remembered the word chimney from the article
[02:45] <pdragon|games> thanks!
[02:47] <pdragon|games> back to WoW
[03:12] <Wy|laptop> Stupid simple question, but I'm unable to view videos on myth (using mplayer) that I can view using totem (from gnome)
[04:51] <foxbuntu> troy_s,  any luck with that
[05:02] <DiggThis> Hi superm1
[05:03] <DiggThis>  can anyone tell me after installing mythbuntu i get a zen command line then ata 7 saying irq_stat, connection status changed. What does this mean?
[05:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Not yet... I would need to compile in the binary blob drivers...
[05:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I probably should do that so that we can start the rather massive theming.
[05:14] <foxbuntu> troy_s, indeed
[05:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: In your eyes, what would the priority be -- theme the MythTV interface probably seems logical (and a monumental task really) then provide a desktop wallpaper and minimalist xfce theme
[05:14] <foxbuntu> I am working on like 3 things now too
[05:14] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Does that make sense to you?
[05:14] <foxbuntu> never ending cycle
[05:15] <troy_s> foxbuntu: yeah but it is all for the better... the better people can make things for others, the more our community grows.
[05:16] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I think if we can spit out a desktop wall paper and get in contact to get the USplash done while we work on the MythTV theme
[05:16] <MitoTranin> have either of you tried to install Mythbuntu on a system with 256mb ram?
[05:17] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, no, but it should work (slow)
[05:17] <MitoTranin> I'm having problems with it locking up at the 94% mark, (where it says "checking for packages to remove") and I was wondering if it had to do with that
[05:17] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: what was that cd repo bug you were talking about before?
[05:18] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Yes... the usplash will require some animation and such.
[05:18] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Which will take a little time then code.    Probably better to just use placeholder bits that are acceptable until then.
[05:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: In plain language -- a crappy Ubuntu progress bar etc.
[05:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The animation and such will take some thinking and design.  I have a pretty good idea where i would like to take it but it will still take time to animate.
[05:24] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The default wallpaper is probably going to be very 1950 -- as in a repeated television motif and the 1950 atomic era small rubber bandy loops repeated.
[05:25] <troy_s> foxbuntu: In my eyes, the most important part of the presentation is the actual MythTV theme... I want that to be as top shelf as possible and as embroiled in the design theme as it can get.  I don't expect that to be easy as we will be wrestling with the button look versus font rendering on the fly etc.
[05:26] <foxbuntu> troy_s, exactly. You are dead on as usual.
[05:27] <troy_s> foxbuntu: You can code correct?
[05:27] <foxbuntu> yup
[05:27] <foxbuntu> the USplash animation I have no idea
[05:28] <foxbuntu> you said you have someone for that however right?
[05:28] <troy_s> foxbuntu: that might be useful in terms of fixing usplash.  Apparently the code (as per seveas) is in place for the autodetection of widescreens.  My gut tells me that the ratio (16x10 over 16x9) is too low and therefore is selecting the 4x5 ratio usplash.
[05:29] <troy_s> foxbuntu: if we can look into that, it might be a quick fix and something that aesthetically would benefit much of the Ubuntu platform.
[05:29] <troy_s> foxbuntu: and yes, tonic-pushcart is a usplash wizard as well as a top shelf guy.  He might be able to help out this project, and if he is too busy, he can probably get you up to speed very quickly.  His code is clean and well commented too.
[05:30] <foxbuntu> troy_s, the issue with that is the data provided to the video card about TV's via their connection type. There is no industry standard for it
[05:32] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I think it might be possible to fix it... seveas seems to think it is probably because 16x10 is the reported res and 16x9 is closer to the 4x3 ratio.
[05:32] <superm1> foxbuntu, what'd you need?
[05:33] <troy_s> (all of this aspect ratio stuff really needs to be resolved in a graceful way from a higher level really -- along with a standard 'orgin' point that doesn't move so that people can design for both ratios using a center anchor or something)
[05:34] <foxbuntu> troy_s, agreed. I will look at it as we get closer to that
[05:37] <DiggThis> superm1: installing prop vid drivers on mythbuntu causes so much havoc that reinstall has to be done!!
[05:37] <superm1> DiggThis, huh?
[05:37] <superm1> why?
[05:37] <superm1> it should work as of beta
[05:39] <DiggThis> ive now tried it in installation mode and in desktop mode and both times the system becomes unusable by dropping to command line and spitting out irq_stat connection status changed errors. it really sux
[05:39] <superm1> DiggThis, that doesn't sound like a misinstallation
[05:39] <superm1> DiggThis, did you check out the logs?
[05:39] <superm1> /var/log/messages
[05:39] <superm1> /var/log/syslog
[05:39] <superm1> /var/log/Xorg.0.log*
[05:40] <DiggThis> cant actually get into the syste,
[05:40] <DiggThis> system
[05:40] <superm1> single user mode even?
[05:40] <DiggThis> ill try recovery give me a sec
[05:42] <DiggThis> no recovery spits out that garbage as well...
[05:43] <DiggThis> unusable system!!
[05:43] <superm1> something really messed up must be going on with your system
[05:43] <superm1> if that's happening
[05:43] <superm1> because the proprietary drivers dont get loaded in single user mode
[05:44] <DiggThis> thats what i figured but vesa works fine which is weird but prop no
[05:44] <superm1> but i mean in single user mode it doesnt even load vesa
[05:44] <superm1> so something else must have occurred here
[05:44] <superm1> for things to break
[05:44] <DiggThis> am i doomed to never have prop drivers?
[05:45] <DiggThis> all i get is some line saying zen then a randon number then irq_
[05:45] <DiggThis> stat then connection changed
[05:46] <superm1> are you sure that is the *only* thing you changed
[05:46] <superm1> when you rebooted?
[05:46] <DiggThis> positive did it on purpose
[05:46] <superm1> any odd hardware in the machine?
[05:46] <superm1> is this amd64?
[05:47] <DiggThis> opened fine in vesa then when i went to install prop driver and reboot - nothing.
[05:47] <superm1> well single user mode brings you right to a console though
[05:47] <DiggThis> on it it a core 2 duo
[05:47] <superm1> so i dont know how this can be possible
[05:47] <DiggThis> could it be ahci but i dont think so though
[05:47] <DiggThis> ?
[05:47] <superm1> you can mess with io apic and acpi options
[05:47] <superm1> for boot parameters
[05:48] <superm1> but they shouldn't have changed o
[05:48] <superm1> you sure that you're not at a console in single user mode?
[05:48] <superm1> that it just hangs?
[05:48] <superm1> eg hit enter and see if you really do have a prompt
[05:48] <DiggThis> i mean it is a dual boot and vista works great but mythbuntu no after prop driver install
[05:49] <DiggThis> a prompt comes up when i press enter but it does not stop and starts spitting again
[05:49] <superm1> okay can you ssh in?
[05:49] <superm1> and did you install the 64 bit version or 32 bit version on your c2d
[05:49] <DiggThis> have not tried
[05:50] <superm1> well the only way your going to get at the logs it sounds like is via ssh
[05:50] <superm1> to find out what is really happening here
[05:50] <DiggThis> wouldnt even know where to start with ssh
[05:50] <superm1> ssh user@machine
[05:50] <superm1> and then those exact places i said
[05:50] <superm1> /var/log/syslog
[05:50] <superm1> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:50] <superm1> /var/log/messages
[05:50] <superm1> dmesg
[05:50] <DiggThis> from network or same computer?
[05:51] <superm1> network
[05:51] <DiggThis> a linux network or can it be windows as well?
[05:51] <superm1> you can do it from windows if you use putty
[05:51] <superm1> or cygwin
[05:51] <DiggThis> which is better?
[05:51] <DiggThis> easier?
[05:53] <superm1> putty is easier
[05:53] <DiggThis> k
[05:53] <DiggThis> ill download now and get back in 5 mins
[06:00] <DiggThis> superm1: update - impossible to do cause network card not activated in 'spit out' modes
[06:00] <DiggThis> any other suggestions?
[06:00] <superm1> DiggThis, boot into normal mode
[06:00] <superm1> and the network will activate in the background
[06:01] <DiggThis> ill try it
[06:01] <dwf_starband> With MythTV, if the capture card has an encoder can a p3 665mhz with 384mb of ram capture and view live tv?
[06:02] <superm1> probably stuggle playing it back
[06:02] <superm1> you'll have to try though
[06:02] <dwf_starband> ok thanks, im still playing with it on my main computer, just wondering about my options
[06:03] <superm1> dwf_starband, not even necessarily live struggle
[06:03] <superm1> just in general
[06:04] <dwf_starband> might struggle showing any video?
[06:04] <superm1> yeah
[06:04] <superm1> unless you have hardware decoding
[06:04] <superm1> via like an nvidia card
[06:04] <dwf_starband> ok, thanks, i have an nvidia card, does it have hardware decoding?
[06:04] <Coded1> is there a way to connect the vga port on a laptop to component on my hd-tv?
[06:05] <Tari> not easily, I don't think
[06:05] <superm1> yeah there are ways
[06:05] <superm1> but like Tari said
[06:06] <superm1> there are standalone converters you can buy
[06:07] <foxbuntu> superm1, I had no idea glade3 exsited
[06:07] <superm1> foxbuntu, what you mean?
[06:07] <foxbuntu> for building those glade tads
[06:07] <foxbuntu> tabs*
[06:07] <superm1> how do you think it was done
[06:07] <superm1> haha
[06:07] <Coded1> cool, I have a p4 laptop with an ati card, right now i have it connected to my 360 as a media server running xp/tversity, i wanna change to linux since ive been getting kinda used to it
[06:07] <foxbuntu> I was doing it by hand
[06:08] <foxbuntu> seriously....that blew goats
[06:08] <superm1> haha funny foxbuntu
[06:08] <Coded1> is there a way to set up a media streaming server to an xbox?
[06:09] <Coded1> using myth?
[06:09] <superm1> Coded1, myth supports some upnp stuff
[06:09] <superm1> but i've never worked with it
[06:09] <superm1> you can check on the upstream mythtv wiki, mythtv-users mailing list and irc channel #mythtv-users for more info about it
[06:10] <Coded1> you think a p4 could upscale SD/DIVX well to 1080p?
[06:10] <superm1> well it could, but an easy method to do that is going to be more of your trouble
[06:10] <Coded1> it would be a dedicated server
[06:10] <foxbuntu> superm1, I can't get the code to run my subtab
[06:10] <foxbuntu> and I built it with glade
[06:10] <superm1> foxbuntu, you have to attach a signal
[06:11] <foxbuntu> to the main button?
[06:11] <superm1> look at the signals done by the other tabs
[06:11] <superm1> on the main glade file
[06:11] <foxbuntu> the mcc glade?
[06:11] <superm1> you can click each tab button and figure out what signals it emits
[06:11] <troy_s> Coded1: realtime?
[06:11] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:12] <troy_s> Coded1: I would think if it were on card, possibly... off card seems unlikely.
[06:12] <foxbuntu> superm1, I already have the button set to tab_change
[06:12] <foxbuntu> however not clear
[06:12] <Coded1> troy_s: not necessarily maybe off by a couple of seconds or so
[06:12] <foxbuntu> after the debuild and install...it just crashes
[06:13] <superm1> well it sounds like you broke something then :)
[06:13] <foxbuntu> thanks for the help
[06:13] <superm1> well publish your branch to your launchpad user
[06:13] <foxbuntu> as usual...smart remarks instead of smart answers
[06:13] <superm1> i'll look at it
[06:14] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:14] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:14] <superm1> this is why i told you to do it in a sep branch, i had a feeling things would break :)
[06:14] <foxbuntu> since I did bzr branch when i bzr commit does it stick it in mine only then?
[06:14] <Coded1> as far as i can tell the main parts will be a function to connect the pc/360 and another to transcode the files, i dont mind using the 360 interface
[06:14] <superm1> yeah
[06:14] <superm1> foxbuntu, ^
[06:14] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:15] <superm1> Coded1, i'm really not sure about how the streaming to a 360 works
[06:17] <foxbuntu> uh... superm1 it said it went to the master
[06:17] <DiggThis> superm1: finally an update for you...EH complete and soft resetting port and sata link down in syslog and messages and in dmesg also in xorg fatal error no screens found error
[06:17] <superm1> foxbuntu, if you bzr branch'ed master is local
[06:17] <superm1> when you bzr commit
[06:17] <superm1> if you bzr bind though, then it binds to master
[06:18] <foxbuntu> but it showed up in launchpad now too
[06:18] <superm1> um
[06:18] <superm1> then you must have branched wrong
[06:18] <foxbuntu> I did bzr branch to the master
[06:18] <superm1> you did bzr branch http://blah here
[06:18] <superm1> branch to master???
[06:18] <superm1> what?
[06:18] <foxbuntu> right
[06:18] <foxbuntu> ^^
[06:18] <superm1> then bzr commit doesn't push
[06:18] <superm1> bzr bind causes it to push
[06:18] <superm1> or bzr co does
[06:19] <foxbuntu> uh oh crap
[06:19] <foxbuntu> thats what i did wrong
[06:19] <DiggThis> what does this all mean superm1?
[06:19] <superm1> what did you do?
[06:19] <foxbuntu> i did a bind earlier
[06:19] <foxbuntu> wack that rev then
[06:19] <superm1> um
[06:19] <foxbuntu> can I break the bind
[06:19] <superm1> bzr unbind i think
[06:20] <foxbuntu> k
[06:20] <superm1> binding to a branch controls where it pushes
[06:20] <superm1> so don't do that
[06:21] <superm1> the commit should be  very very fast when your not bound anywhere
[06:22] <DiggThis> superm1: any idea what is going on?
[06:22] <superm1> DiggThis, the sata link being down, you sure your hardware is good?
[06:22] <superm1> and the error in xorg, can you paste bin xorg
[06:23] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok that time it just coomited and didnt push
[06:23] <foxbuntu> now what do I do with it?
[06:23] <DiggThis> superm1: k ill pastebin xorg. sata is fine in vista why does it play up in mythbuntu?
[06:23] <superm1> push it to a local branch at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:24] <superm1> DiggThis, just asking if you know the hardware is fine
[06:25] <DiggThis> As far as i know all works good. all is new hardware and works fine in vista. How do i double-check hardware?
[06:26] <superm1> DiggThis, run hardware tests on it all
[06:26] <superm1> i suspect you had these hardware errors before the proprietary drivers were installed though
[06:26] <superm1> just you are seeing them when something goes wrong with the proprietary drivers because your looking at logs
[06:28] <DiggThis> how do i run hardware test?
[06:28] <superm1> DiggThis, that is more than i'm going to go into in this channel
[06:29] <superm1> pastebin the xorg log
[06:29] <DiggThis> fair enough
[06:29] <superm1> and we'll go from ther
[06:29] <DiggThis> k
[06:32] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok its up
[06:32] <superm1> foxbuntu, i'm still trying to uncommit your old revision
[06:32] <superm1> doesnt want  to do so
[06:33] <dwf_starband> i found my answer,
[06:33] <dwf_starband> A Pentium Celeron 600 MHz with a PVR-150 can record and playback MPEG-2 material simultaneously.
[06:33] <dwf_starband> does this sound right?
[06:33] <foxbuntu> sorry... foxbuntu + beer != good results in code
[06:33] <dwf_starband> off of the mythtv wiki
[06:34] <superm1> dwf_starband, you won't know for sure until you try
[06:34] <superm1> um foxbuntu its not listed here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nickj-fox/
[06:34] <dwf_starband> if it works as a frontend viewing, then it shouldnt have trouble should it?
[06:34] <foxbuntu> well I did exactly as you said that time
[06:34] <foxbuntu> wth tho..its on the main trunk again
[06:35] <foxbuntu> ....arg...
[06:35] <superm1> foxbuntu, you didn't put the ~user did you
[06:35] <superm1> when you did bzr push
[06:36] <superm1> as in bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:36] <superm1> that would have registered your branch and gotten it put in the right place
[06:36] <foxbuntu> oh man...I am retarded tonight
[06:36] <superm1> omg this branch has gotten way out of control
[06:36] <foxbuntu> I didn't put user in
[06:36] <superm1> you've got a ton of crap in it now
[06:37] <foxbuntu> what do you mean?
[06:37] <foxbuntu> i sh**& the debuild garbage is in there
[06:37] <superm1> all of these binary files are added, all the properteis changed again
[06:37] <superm1> debian/stamp-makefile-build
[06:37] <superm1> debian/mythbuntu-control-centre/usr/share/pycentral/mythbuntu-control-centre/site-packages/mythbuntu_control_centre-0.0.0.egg-info
[06:37] <foxbuntu> ...
[06:37] <superm1> there isn't supposed to be a debian/files
[06:37] <superm1> EVERY single file changed properties
[06:37] <superm1> wtf did you do?
[06:38] <foxbuntu> i didnt do anything to perms
[06:38] <foxbuntu> I did everything as non-root
[06:38] <superm1> well in your bzr commit did you not see all these files marked different
[06:38] <superm1> and all these added files?
[06:38] <foxbuntu> I was not looking closly..
[06:38] <foxbuntu> arg
[06:38] <foxbuntu> just delete it all
[06:38] <foxbuntu> and I will do the same
[06:39] <superm1> well i'm having a hard time uncommiting the branch
[06:39] <superm1> stop pushing to it okay?
[06:39] <foxbuntu> until a day where I am less retarded
[06:39] <superm1> please
[06:39] <foxbuntu> I am not pushing
[06:43] <superm1> well you can push to your own LP id okay?
[06:43] <superm1> so i can look *there*
[06:43] <foxbuntu> superm1, I will clean it up and get that up
[06:43] <superm1> foxbuntu, i've uncommited your last two changes locally, i'm just trying to push them
[06:43] <superm1> (and failing with that)
[06:45] <foxbuntu> superm1, it tells me my user location is not a branch
[06:46] <superm1> paste the exact command you were doing
[06:46] <foxbuntu> bzr bind<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:46] <superm1> NO
[06:46] <superm1> no bind
[06:46] <superm1> dont bind
[06:47] <superm1> push
[06:47] <superm1> that's *it*
[06:47] <foxbuntu> ...
[06:47] <superm1> you can bind to your own branch later if you want, but to initialize a branch you need to bzr push
[06:49] <foxbuntu> superm1, can't I just do a clean with debuild?
[06:49] <superm1> yeah you can
[06:49] <superm1> the important part is that no files are added to the commit
[06:50] <foxbuntu> well I need to clean it first
[06:51] <foxbuntu> I want to kill all the debuild junk in here b4 I push and be retarded some more
[06:51] <superm1> well debuild clean will do that
[06:51] <superm1> have you been typing debuild as root?
[06:51] <superm1> or something like that
[06:52] <foxbuntu> no
[06:52] <foxbuntu> I did the bzr branch and everything as non-root
[06:54] <superm1> okay the main branch has been reverted
[06:54] <superm1> that was way more trouble than it should have been
[06:57] <foxbuntu> superm1, I cant see the screen anymore...time to stop working on thsi for now...I will catch you later so I don't hose anything else up
[06:57] <foxbuntu> I seriously cant read the irc window right now
[06:57] <foxbuntu> night
[06:57] <superm1> foxbuntu, if you can at least push things somewhere in your local branch
[06:57] <foxbuntu> lata
[06:57] <superm1> i can look at that though
[06:57] <superm1> can you get that far or not?
[06:57] <foxbuntu> I can't read the irc and my term is smaller
[06:58] <foxbuntu> I will push it and come back to it tomorrow
[06:58] <superm1> okay
[06:58] <foxbuntu> later
[06:58] <superm1> cya
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #149702 in mythbuntu "no menu text with low resolution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149702
[07:10] <DiggThis> superm1: sorry for taking so long pastebin url is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39736/
[07:10] <DiggThis> please help me!!
[07:12] <superm1> DiggThis, can you pastebin your xorg.conf too?
[07:12] <superm1> lets see one thing in there
[07:12] <DiggThis> ok one min
[07:13] <DiggThis> where is that file located>
[07:13] <DiggThis> ?
[07:13] <superm1> /etc/X11
[07:13] <DiggThis> k
[07:13] <superm1> that Xorg.0.log is telling me that you found a different bug though, that BulletProofX isn't working
[07:16] <DiggThis> done url is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39737/
[07:16] <DiggThis> please help
[07:17] <superm1> okay so you're actually using an ati card then
[07:17] <superm1> try commenting out line 66
[07:17] <superm1> and restarting
[07:18] <DiggThis> ok
[07:20] <superm1> DiggThis, are you sure that your card is even supported by fglrx?
[07:21] <DiggThis> dont know its a brand new card
[07:22] <DiggThis> rebooting...
[07:22] <superm1> brand new card...
[07:22] <superm1> okay well you might have your problem laid out right there
[07:23] <MitoTranin> superm1: you got a sec?
[07:23] <DiggThis> line 66 comment out not working
[07:24] <superm1> DiggThis, checkout if you have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old then
[07:24] <superm1> MitoTranin, sure
[07:24] <DiggThis> so my card is too new then?
[07:24] <DiggThis> ill check
[07:24] <MitoTranin> superm1: remember my lockup at 94% bug that you said was why the release is the 10/02 release instead of the 10/01 release?
[07:24] <MitoTranin> how do I get around it?  I still can't get an install to finish
[07:24] <superm1> DiggThis, that's what i suspect, hopefully that log will prove that
[07:25] <MitoTranin> and if I start ssh or terminal or something before my install starts, I can't even get the installer to respond
[07:25] <superm1> MitoTranin, you did eventually grab the 10/01 release right?
[07:25] <superm1> MitoTranin, you did eventually grab the 10/02 release right?
[07:25] <DiggThis> superm1: i have it
[07:25] <superm1> that is
[07:25] <superm1> DiggThis, post that
[07:25] <superm1> let me take a look at it
[07:25] <DiggThis> k
[07:25] <MitoTranin> I've never had anything but the 10/02 release
[07:25] <MitoTranin> (I didn't know about Mythbuntu until the 1st, so I just waited...)
[07:26] <superm1> hrm
[07:26] <superm1> well the thing is the workaround is mastered into the disk
[07:26] <superm1> so there are no "other" workarounds to try really
[07:26] <MitoTranin> don't get me wrong... I like what I see.... (otherwise you guys wouldn't be using my hosting as a mirror :) )
[07:27] <superm1> you can attempt to not make any packaging changes
[07:27] <MitoTranin> but I just can't get it installed!
[07:27] <MitoTranin> lol
[07:27] <superm1> so dont choose proprietary drivers
[07:27] <superm1> or change anythign but remote
[07:27] <superm1> during install
[07:27] <superm1> and see how that works through
[07:27] <MitoTranin> I can try that
[07:27] <MitoTranin> I always do set it to the proprietary drivers, so I can have tv-out
[07:28] <superm1> yeah.  you can do that post install if it comes to it
[07:28] <MitoTranin> is there a way to install them after the install?
[07:28] <MitoTranin> cool, that's what I thought
[07:29] <DiggThis> superm1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39739/ hopefully you can get to the source of the prob
[07:30] <superm1> DiggThis, you have a HD 2600XT don't you.
[07:30] <DiggThis> exactly
[07:30] <superm1> ha
[07:30] <superm1> i figured as much
[07:30] <superm1> okay so the problem is this
[07:31] <superm1> the 8.41.6 driver came out officially a few weeks ago
[07:31] <superm1> it is the minimum driver you need for that card
[07:31] <DiggThis> crap
[07:31] <superm1> but the problem is
[07:31] <superm1> it cant be included by default in ubuntu
[07:31] <superm1> because it breaks functionality of a few other cards
[07:31] <superm1> you can install it locally if you'd like
[07:31] <DiggThis> just my luck
[07:31] <DiggThis> how do i do it?
[07:33] <superm1> DiggThis, more or less its a matter of following this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[07:33] <superm1> in "method 2"
[07:33] <superm1> but you need to download the newer driver
[07:33] <superm1> the 8.41.6 or 8.41.7
[07:33] <superm1> from the amd website
[07:33] <DiggThis> from where though?
[07:33] <DiggThis> amd
[07:33] <DiggThis> k
[07:34] <DiggThis> do they have linux driver?
[07:35] <superm1> yeah
[07:35] <DiggThis> thx i just saw it
[07:36] <DiggThis> great ill devote 2moro to this and get back to you about progress. will the wiki walk me though it enough ya think?
[07:36] <superm1> it does
[07:36] <DiggThis> awesome thx once again superm1 you are a legend!!
[07:36] <superm1> no prob DiggThis, hopefully this all works out well for you in the end :)
[07:37] <DiggThis> night
[08:59] <superm1> laga, fyi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3483843#post3483843
[09:07] <superm1> eh this isn't good.  there are locks on universe now.  laga get the mythbuntu-control-centre stuff done asap.  it needs to pass against archive admins for exceptions and stuff, so this can turn into major trouble
[09:07] <superm1> i just got a 'waiting for distro maintainer to ack' thing on my mythtv upload
[09:09] <superm1> laga, also merging all that logging support for ubuntu-mythtv-frontend might end up being more troublesome than expected
[09:09] <superm1> we'll see
[09:33] <MitoTranin> superm1: I just checked on the install, and it still got stuck at 94%
[09:33] <MitoTranin> I'm thinking my next try will be to do a custom install instead of standard
[09:33] <MitoTranin> and choose some different options in there
[09:34] <MitoTranin> any other suggestions since you know more about what is getting stuck than I do?
[09:36] <Wy|laptop> Did the last edgy update break restricted drivers for anyone else?
[09:59] <deffcon> he guys, can someone tell me why i don't have stereo tv sound or music anymore, but d.d .5.1 i still have when watching dvd, this has happen't after a few updates on alpha4
[10:00] <Wy|laptop> alsa problems?
[10:00] <Wy|laptop> sounds like your passthrough is working, but not your regular playback
[10:01] <deffcon> yes but what can i check to make it work again
[10:01] <Wy|laptop> check in your mythfrontend settings
[10:01] <deffcon> i did but no result
[10:03] <Wy|laptop> Hrm. open a term window and try using aplay on a sound file
[10:03] <deffcon> ok i will try
[10:07] <deffcon> nope no sound
[10:08] <Wy|laptop> What sort of sound card and outputs are you using?
[10:10] <deffcon> creative audigy and all via spdif to my receiver and for a couple of days ago it worked like a charm, something has broken some config
[10:11] <Wy|laptop> check your outputs in the gui sound config in gnome
[10:11] <Wy|laptop> and run a 'test sound' there. Also, see if sound is working playing back files in totem
[10:12] <deffcon> ok i will try
[10:15] <deffcon> btw never mind this isseu i will go and give the beta i real good try
[10:15] <deffcon> but thnx anyway\\
[10:16] <Wy|laptop> np. ALSA sucks :P
[10:16] <deffcon> haha
[10:16] <deffcon> are you running the beta 1
[10:16] <Wy|laptop> well, I'm running the up to date one
[10:17] <deffcon> up to date one ?
[10:17] <Wy|laptop> Well, latest verion in the repository
[10:17] <deffcon> svn or weekly builds
[10:19] <Wy|laptop> svn .. shouldn't make a difference, though
[10:19] <Wy|laptop> it's all the same packages
[10:19] <deffcon> yes but no mythstream in svn
[10:21] <Wy|laptop> right now I'm just a bit peeved that the last update broke restricted-drivers
[10:24] <deffcon> oops really
[10:30] <Wy|laptop> yeah
[10:31] <deffcon> and what steps do you do to resolf this problem?
[10:32] <Wy|laptop> revert a bunch of stuff, OR wait until the next update
[11:24] <deffcon> are there some repo's broken right now?
[11:38] <Wy|laptop> some were. updated my repos and they seem good now, though
[11:42] <davro> I have installed mythbuntu with a hauppauge PVR500 but i have not got a network card that works have ordered one , is it possible to run mythbuntu without a network card just use the tv side ?.
[11:43] <Wy|laptop> um, sure, but you won't get any schedule updates
[11:43] <Wy|laptop> or hell, any ubuntu updates
[11:44] <davro> yup, just thought i might be able to check the PVR card is working, while the network card arrives.
[11:49] <Wy|laptop> sure
[11:50] <Wy|laptop> you should have a /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 devices, just mplayer them
[11:53] <deffcon> Wyllaptop take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39749/
[12:26] <laga> superm1: crap. ok.
[12:26] <davro> running mplayer /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 shows no output ?
[01:42] <laga> superm1: i'll try to have mcc mostly ready by 8pm my time (UTC+2)
[01:42] <laga> Wy|laptop: are you using the trunk packages?
[01:42] <superm1> laga, so another 7 hours or so?
[01:43] <laga> 6.5h, yes
[01:43] <superm1> okay cool
[01:43] <laga> superm1: how much time is left?
[01:43] <laga> i'll go outside soon but return later and then get hacking
[01:43] <superm1> laga, well the freeze went sometime yesterday or today
[01:43] <laga> bad.
[01:43] <superm1> so at this point the sooner the better
[01:43] <laga> ok
[01:44] <superm1> because its going to be in a queue until an archive admin is buggered enough
[01:44] <laga> :/
[01:44] <superm1> and main is under a hard freeze, so i think that means the end of lirc
[01:44] <laga> teh suck
[01:44] <superm1> indeed
[01:44] <laga> oops, forgot about lirc
[01:44] <laga> oh well
[01:44] <laga> we can't fix everything.
[01:44] <superm1> well mythbuntu-lirc-generator does need to be sorted out still
[01:44] <superm1> and that's universe
[01:45] <laga> whats wrong with it
[01:45] <superm1> i'm hoping foxbuntu will be able to do that
[01:45] <superm1> it spits out bad configs for hauppauge remotes
[01:45] <laga> oh
[01:45] <laga> too bad
[01:45] <superm1> which i think is bad
[01:45] <laga> it doesnt work well for VLC for me.
[01:45] <superm1> because the two biggest remotes
[01:45] <superm1> are hauppauge and mceusb*
[01:45] <laga> some stuff works but some stuff doesn't.
[01:45] <superm1> but if foxbuntu can't get to it, then i say forget it
[01:45] <laga> superm1: good to know - i was gonna give the GF my hauppauge remote and install mythbuntu beta
[01:45] <laga> heh
[01:45] <superm1> haha
[01:46] <superm1> see!
[01:46] <laga> stress++;
[01:46] <superm1> yeah indeed
[01:46] <laga> o_O
[01:46] <laga> looks like the ps2 is not good anymore for the GF
[01:46] <superm1> i'm a bit pissed this morning too.  i've got recordings from ~2 years ago that i haven't been able to burn because they were > 4.37 gb after taking out commercials
[01:46] <laga> she wants to know what you look like
[01:46] <superm1> so i set them to not autoexpire
[01:46] <superm1> well in doing so, i've got recordings from 2 weeks ago
[01:46] <superm1> that i didnt get to watch
[01:46] <laga> and they autorexpired? :/
[01:47] <laga> heh
[01:47] <laga> you need more diskspace
[01:47] <superm1> so i bought a copy of nero linux
[01:47] <superm1> and some dual layer disks
[01:47] <superm1> and i'm burning off the 2 year old recordings in UDF
[01:47] <superm1> i couldn't find any other way to do it
[01:47] <laga> poor mario
[01:47] <superm1> this is what i get for working on myth stuff more than using it! :)
[01:47] <laga> whas needed for RC?
[01:48] <laga> heh
[01:48] <laga> i almost enver use my mythtv
[01:48] <laga> BTw
[01:48] <laga> i got a reply from gigabyte. i can't set the primary VGA card in my BIOS. they just told me "that's not possible, sorry"
[01:48] <superm1> well m-l-g, m-c-c are the main things that i'd like to see happen.  i need to sort out with installer stuff still
[01:48] <laga> so i can almost forget about my multiseat idea.
[01:48] <superm1> that's a shame
[01:49] <laga> yes
[01:49] <laga> i#m gonna write a very angry email back.
[01:49] <laga> or probably buy a new mother board, but that costs money. and never change a running system :/
[01:50] <laga> .oO(.. fsck gigabyte...)
[01:50] <laga> i wish stuff was just working
[01:50] <laga> :P
[01:51] <superm1> haha stuff working
[01:51] <superm1> that's funny
[01:51] <laga> hehe
[01:51] <laga> i'm gonna kick some major ass if the feisty kernel is not fixed soon. c'mon, why the hell do you have to break existing hardware support
[01:52] <laga> (GF keeps requesting pictures of you, i think i have to go)
[01:52] <superm1> eh?
[01:52] <superm1> haha
[01:52] <superm1> okay i'll cu in a few hours, i've gotta run to work anyhow
[01:52] <laga> bye
[02:58] <sebrock> need help setting up a cron job with mythfilldatabase
[03:00] <laga> i really dont mean to be an asshole, but you need to ask a question as well. even better yet, you need to seach the web and read the manual of cron before asking.
[03:01] <sebrock> I'm searching right now
[03:02] <sebrock> anyway, I guess this is not a big issue, how would I go about to do this, say doing a mythfilldatabase once ever day
[03:02] <laga> enable it in mythfrontend, mythbackend will do it for you then
[03:03] <sebrock> well, I need to specify 14 days
[03:03] <sebrock> do you know where this settings is stored?
[03:04] <laga> see mythfilldatabase --help
[03:04] <sebrock> as of now its set to 15 days (cant remember where I set it) and that gives an error with my grabber
[03:05] <sebrock> how can I set that permanently?
[03:05] <sebrock> I know --max-days flag
[03:05] <sebrock> but I'm pretty sure I have set it to 15 days somewhere
[03:06] <laga> maybe in your grabber's config.
[03:06] <laga> i dont know your grabber.
[03:06] <sebrock> XMLTV
[03:06] <sebrock> dammit cant find it :D
[03:07] <laga> oh, you#re using XMLTV! no shit! :>
[03:07] <laga> check ~/.mythtv/*xmltv
[03:07] <laga> or ~/.xmltv/
[03:07] <laga> it's possible there's no such setting.
[03:07] <sebrock> already checked them files
[03:08] <sebrock> so it's stored withing myth settings somewhere
[03:08] <sebrock> it's swedish xmltv  :P
[03:09] <laga> i have never seen such a setting
[03:11] <laga> therethinker2: you still haven't committed your recent changes to mcc (where you added that button). please do so or it won't get it.
[03:11] <laga> therethinker2: i will not pull out your changes out of the tarball you sent to me.
[04:21] <therethinker> laga: I will, don't worry. I was just going to wait until I fixed this Medibuntu thing
[04:22] <laga> great
[04:22] <laga> mind you, we need to get this done ASAP because the archives are closed
[04:22] <therethinker> Oh, yep
[04:25] <superm1> therethinker, did you get that thing for adding repos in or no?
[04:25] <therethinker2> I'm working on it
[04:25] <therethinker2> I was confused, the way it sounded, that theyre was already something in glade (a button)
[04:25] <therethinker2> but I couldn't find it
[04:25] <therethinker2> so I've been working on doing that
[04:25] <therethinker2> the pythons all set
[04:26] <laga> cool
[04:27] <superm1> therethinker2, there is stuff in glade
[04:27] <superm1> already
[04:27] <superm1> its just marked as not visible
[04:27] <superm1> on the main glade file
[04:28] <superm1> you mark it visible and then the tab suddenly becomes accessible
[04:28] <therethinker2> Yes, I got that
[04:28] <therethinker2> But then in the tab, its just the warning
[04:28] <laga> morning superm1
[04:28] <superm1> mornin (again)
[04:28] <therethinker2> morning all
[04:28] <superm1> therethinker2, there might be a button too
[04:28] <superm1> its been some time
[04:28] <therethinker2> Yeah, there isn't. I added a check box
[04:28] <superm1> since i touched that when i realized it was more trouble then i was prepared for
[04:28] <therethinker2> and I'm working on the python stuff
[04:29] <therethinker2> Oh, and you have a function checking for the repo... but it checks for deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/, thats wrong, right?
[04:29] <superm1> oh its changed :)
[04:29] <superm1> yeah
[04:29] <superm1> forgot about that
[04:30] <superm1> you are correct, it needs to be updated
[04:30] <therethinker2> good
[04:30] <therethinker2> Thanks
[04:31] <laga> superm1:  i need to run now. i've added tooltips to the experimental options (please proofread and modify them to your taste so we can upload new translation templates). the whole experimental options vbox is greyed out now if there's no backend installed. however, the options are not unselected, eg those tweaks will stay installed.
[04:31] <laga> if you remove the backend
[04:31] <superm1> awesome
[04:31] <superm1> sounds great
[04:32] <laga> i couldn't find a sane way to do that right now. with every option added, the code gets increasingly complicated as there are various dependencies on each other
[04:32] <superm1> you pushed them to bzr?
[04:32] <laga> which is 'teh suck'
[04:32] <superm1> 2$ bzr pull
[04:32] <superm1> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:32] <laga> yes, forgot to enter my pass
[04:32] <superm1> yeah i ran into similar issues with the plugins and such
[04:32] <laga> wait a sec
[04:32] <superm1> so i hear ya
[04:32] <therethinker2> Oh, can glade read the self.config vars? It seems to be that way...
[04:33] <superm1> therethinker, well not directly
[04:33] <superm1> you have to set and get them
[04:33] <therethinker2> Hmmm
[04:33] <superm1> look at either how the plugins do it
[04:33] <superm1> or vnc
[04:33] <laga> i did handle it for the "enable experimental options" checkbox, so i tried to couple it with that, but no dice. i've gotta run right now, so i'll finish the commit message and be gone
[04:33] <therethinker2> hmm
[04:34] <superm1> okay laga
[04:34] <superm1> if there's any troubles i'll leave you a message or fix it myself if i can
[04:35] <therethinker2> Ahh
[04:35] <therethinker2> so it is, you just loop through them, thanks :-)
[04:35] <laga> superm1: great.
[04:36] <laga> superm1: ya think the tweaks need to be removed from the system if there#s no backend? might make a lot of sense
[04:36] <superm1> makes sense to me
[04:36] <laga> bah
[04:36] <laga> right.
[04:36] <laga> will try to get that added
[04:36] <laga> it's simple, but i need to find out where to add it
[04:36] <superm1> okay i'll wait to push until later when you do that
[04:36] <laga> so, dont push it to the archives today
[04:36] <laga> :
[04:36] <laga> :P
[04:36] <laga> oh, there's still some more polishing
[04:37] <superm1> go have fun with your lady
[04:37] <laga> need to run now, GF is about to kill me
[04:37] <laga> unless she gets a picture
[04:37] <laga> :P
[04:37] <therethinker2> :P
[04:37] <superm1> get on the facebook
[04:37] <superm1> i'm on there
[05:01] <therethinker2> I almost got it
[05:01] <superm1> cool good :)
[05:01] <therethinker2> Superm1, can you teach me how to upload/merge?
[05:02] <superm1> therethinker2, okay so here is how it goes
[05:02] <therethinker2> Do I need an SSH key?
[05:02] <superm1> you've got your separate branch
[05:02] <superm1> yes you will
[05:02] <therethinker2> k
[05:02] <superm1> what you will do is keep this branch around as a "development" branch
[05:02] <superm1> and then in another directory your going to do a "bzr co<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:03] <superm1> and that checks out directly from the branch on launchpad
[05:03] <superm1> and is bound to that branch
[05:03] <therethinker2> okay
[05:03] <superm1> so when your ready to merge, you go to that other directory
[05:03] <superm1> and type bzr merge OTHERPLACE
[05:03] <superm1> where OTHERPLACE is where you were doing development
[05:03] <therethinker2> okay
[05:04] <superm1> and then when that merge is done, it will tell you if there were conflicts (which hopefully there weren't)
[05:04] <superm1> if there weren't, then you type bzr commit from the bound branch
[05:04] <superm1> and it pushes it up to launchpad automatically
[05:04] <therethinker2> okay
[05:04] <therethinker2> thanks
[05:05] <superm1> in your development branch then, you can either bzr pull or bzr merge from launchpad if you want to keep it in sync
[05:05] <superm1> but it knows exactly what revision it came from, so that's not for sure necessary
[05:05] <superm1> it just makes for cleaner easier merges
[05:05] <therethinker2> Okay
[05:06] <therethinker2> thanks
[05:12] <tgm4883> Either I don't pay attention very much or my University just decided to go back to high school
[05:12] <therethinker2> :P
[05:12] <tgm4883> Have there always been homecoming kings and queens in college?
[05:12] <superm1> yeah there have
[05:12] <superm1> its ridiculous
[05:12] <tgm4883> chalk me up as surprised
[05:13] <tgm4883> I just got an email about it
[05:13] <tgm4883> i was like wtf
[05:13] <tgm4883> I'm supposed to vote for some people that I have never even seen or heard of
[05:13] <therethinker2> wait, shouldn't the functions like toggle_vnc/vnc_password/role be in changer.py?
[05:13] <tgm4883> at least in high school i had seen the people
[05:16] <therethinker2> I'm getting confused. I don't know how I can enable the repo
[05:16] <therethinker2> since I'd have to do it in changer.py
[05:16] <therethinker2> it seems
[05:16] <superm1> yeah you do
[05:17] <superm1> have to do it in changer.py
[05:17] <superm1> the toggle stuff is just glade callback functions
[05:17] <superm1> to update gui
[05:17] <superm1> and the data objects behind the gui
[05:17] <therethinker2> yeah, I just realized that ;P
[05:17] <therethinker2> But I'm trying to figure out where and how I do this
[05:17] <superm1> all changes happen in the 'class for making change' :)
[05:18] <therethinker2> :P
[05:19] <therethinker2> Wait, it  shouldn't take long to do, so it probably don't have to run it at the exact moment...
[05:19] <superm1> look at the way that things are done in there
[05:19] <superm1> its a fake progress dialog
[05:19] <superm1> that just increases percent as things are to be worked on
[05:19] <therethinker2> Yeah... it seems that its all for just installing
[05:20] <therethinker2> though
[05:20] <superm1> well you have to look a little further
[05:20] <superm1> that is some more complicated stuff
[05:20] <tgm4883> is there a frontend log now?
[05:20] <superm1> for installing and removing packages
[05:20] <superm1> tgm4883, there was
[05:20] <superm1> but its gone
[05:20] <tgm4883> :(
[05:20] <tgm4883> I like to crash my frontend
[05:20] <therethinker2> ahh
[05:20] <superm1> tgm4883, how to put it back is a bit complicated too
[05:20] <therethinker2> found it... I think :P
[05:20] <tgm4883> eh not important
[05:20] <tgm4883> I use to think i was crashing the who DE
[05:21] <superm1> laga, okay i cleaned up your stuff a little bit.  i'm happy with it now.
[05:21] <tgm4883> but since we switched to xfce, I can just crash the frontend
[05:21] <superm1> right
[05:21] <tgm4883> which kinda sucks
[05:21] <tgm4883> but not really
[05:22] <tgm4883> also, can we add a third option for frontends MCC
[05:22] <benlake> anyone have issues after using the nice restricted drivers popup to install nvidia drivers on a fresh install?
[05:22] <tgm4883> benlake, what kind of issues
[05:22] <superm1> tgm4883, what third option?
[05:22] <benlake> after doing this, X doesn't start
[05:22] <tgm4883> frontend/desktop
[05:22] <superm1> benlake, check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[05:23] <superm1> see what's up
[05:23] <tgm4883> doing just frontend also loads mythbuntu settings, which enables xfce.
[05:23] <tgm4883> so on my laptop it set me up to use xfce
[05:23] <superm1> tgm4883, but it doesnt setup auto login
[05:23] <benlake> the machine just gave me a prompt, somestimes it does and sometimes not
[05:23] <tgm4883> right
[05:23] <superm1> when you just install does it?
[05:23] <tgm4883> no
[05:23] <superm1> so isn't that by default a frontend/desktop
[05:24] <superm1> tgm4883, add names to the front of your comments, you got me confused now :)
[05:24] <benlake> hmm, it says "Fatal server error: no screens found", well that'll do it
[05:24] <tgm4883> heh
[05:24] <superm1> benlake, look earlier in the file and see what caused it
[05:24] <benlake> I was hoping I wouldn't have to touch the x config for mythbuntu
[05:24] <tgm4883> superm1, when you just install frontend, it sets you env to xfce (it did on my laptop) so the next time you login you are in xfce
[05:25] <benlake> I'm coming from a gentoo machine, those are so temperamental
[05:25] <tgm4883> so i was in xfce instead of gnome
[05:25] <tgm4883> superm1, because I want to use the frontend on my laptop from applications, not any auto login or such
[05:26] <benlake> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 02:02:0 (WW) VESA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:2:0) found (EE) No devices detected.
[05:26] <benlake> that's weird.
[05:29] <benlake> http://pastebin.org/4251
[05:30] <benlake> superm1: do I need to specify that glx and dri should be loaded?
[05:31] <superm1> tgm4883, it shouldn't set the env to xfce
[05:31] <superm1> tgm4883, was this with the latest m-c-c
[05:31] <superm1> and m-d-s?
[05:31] <tgm4883> yea
[05:32] <superm1> benlake, wrong log, that is from the failed failsafe
[05:32] <tgm4883> cause installing frontend activates mds doesn't it
[05:32] <superm1> can you see if you have /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[05:32] <benlake> superm1: its using the nvidia driver is it not?
[05:32] <superm1> tgm4883, well it install m-d-s
[05:32] <benlake> sure
[05:32] <superm1> but autologin isn't setup unless you turn it on with the other tab
[05:32] <tgm4883> right, auto login isn't the issue
[05:33] <superm1> i'm pretty sure that is how the behavior should be on a fresh install
[05:33] <superm1> tgm4883, was this a new user account?
[05:33] <tgm4883> no
[05:33] <superm1> or was it the user u ran m-c-c with?
[05:33] <superm1> can you check your ~/.dmrc?
[05:33] <superm1> see if you have one
[05:33] <tgm4883> i only have one user on my laptop
[05:33] <benlake> superm1: http://pastebin.org/4252
[05:34] <superm1> benlake, can you edit your xorg.conf and comment out the line with that pci id
[05:34] <superm1> its usually around like 66 or so
[05:35] <benlake> but didn't it detect the video card at that ID?
[05:35] <tgm4883> i have .dmrc
[05:35] <superm1> just comment it out
[05:35] <superm1> it can auto detect
[05:35] <superm1> x can
[05:35] <superm1> tgm4883, can you check the date that was made?
[05:36] <superm1> i suspect it was there from an old m-d-s
[05:36] <superm1> or m-c-c
[05:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[05:36] <tgm4883> it only has modified and accessed
[05:36] <tgm4883> no created
[05:36] <superm1> well what modified date then
[05:37] <benlake> superm1: there is no device in the conf with that ID
[05:37] <tgm4883> Oct 5
[05:37] <tgm4883> it could be from an old mds i suppose, this wasn't a fresh install of the mcc or frontend, it happened after an update
[05:37] <superm1> tgm4883, can you double check it in say a fresh vm?
[05:38] <tgm4883> yea, give me a little bit
[05:38] <superm1> i'm almost (92.4%) positive that it shouldn't do that
[05:38] <benlake> superm1: http://pastebin.org/4253
[05:38] <superm1> benlake, so what happened when you commented out line 66?
[05:38] <superm1> and restarted X?
[05:39] <benlake> superm1: I guess I didn't read you right, doing that now
[05:40] <tgm4883> arg, how do i not have a gutsy iso?
[05:43] <tgm4883> superm1, quick question, are universe and multiverse default on pre release software and they will be disabled for release?
[05:43] <superm1> i'm not sure.
[05:43] <superm1> check in #ubuntu+1 i think
[05:44] <tgm4883> they have been on for all my installs
[05:44] <tgm4883> i'll do that
[05:44] <superm1> universe turns on when you install m-c-c from the website
[05:44] <superm1> but multiverse doesn't
[05:44] <tgm4883> k
[05:44] <superm1> and if therethinker2's changes work well, we can probably enable multiverse from m-c-c
[05:44] <tgm4883> sweet
[05:45] <therethinker> :)
[05:45] <benlake> superm1: it started!
[05:45] <benlake> superm1: Now where do I tell it what monitor I have?
[05:51] <tgm4883> heh
[05:51] <tgm4883> superm1, I think your suppose to move posts like that
[05:52] <superm1> benlake, its supposed to detect most of that automatically
[05:52] <superm1> you might consider commenting out that hsync and vrefresh lines too
[05:52] <superm1> those are fairly automatic
[05:52] <superm1> you can also open up nvidia-settings from m-c-c
[05:52] <superm1> to do a lot
[05:54] <benlake> mcc?
[05:54] <benlake> myth control center?
[05:55] <superm1> mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:55] <superm1> yes
[05:55] <superm1> its in Applications->System
[05:56] <benlake> hmm, well it knows what monitor I have, but it doesn't give me its res
[05:56] <superm1> like i said comment out those lines
[05:56] <benlake> honestly I think I was forcing a res it doesn't officially support
[05:56] <superm1> it will detect the monitor more on its own
[05:57] <benlake> comment out the display all together?
[05:57] <superm1> no
[05:57] <superm1> the hsync
[05:57] <superm1> vrefresh
[05:57] <superm1> they restrict the resolutions it can do
[05:57] <benlake> k
[05:57] <superm1> gotta run myself though
[05:58] <superm1> back in a few hours again
[05:58] <therethinker2> this is annoying. it runs fine in the python console, but locks up when mcc runs it
[06:11] <therethinker2> any devs here from mcc?
[06:11] <therethinker2> besides me :P
[06:17] <laga> re#
[06:17] <laga> yes
[06:18] <therethinker2> In changer.py
[06:18] <therethinker2> it hangs whenever it gets to my lines
[06:19] <therethinker2> its very  wierd
[06:19] <therethinker2> even if it doesn't execute my function
[06:20] <laga> can you commit so i can take a look?
[06:21] <therethinker2> sure
[06:22] <laga> superm1: ohy. why did you remove the checkbox?
[06:23] <laga> therethinker2: commited?
[06:24] <therethinker2> Can I just do bzr commit, or will I screw soemthign up?
[06:24] <laga> just bzr commit
[06:24] <laga> i'm not entirely happy with superm1's last commit anyways.
[06:24] <therethinker2> k
[06:25] <therethinker2> its 79
[06:25] <therethinker2> i'm having trouble with changer.py
[06:25] <laga> no, the main branch is at rev 83 or something
[06:25] <therethinker2> really
[06:25] <laga> maybe you need to merge beforehands and push afterwards
[06:25] <therethinker2> it said "committed revision 79"
[06:25] <laga> because you're not working with the main branch
[06:25] <laga> try bzr merge
[06:25] <therethinker2> yeah
[06:26] <therethinker2> damn, conflics
[06:26] <therethinker2> *conflicts
[06:27] <laga> ignore conflicts in po/
[06:27] <therethinker2> theres still 2 others
[06:27] <laga> or just bzr resolve them without actually resolving them (and dont commit those then ;))
[06:27] <laga> i need to fand a way to handle po/ sanely
[06:27] <laga> yeah, resolve them ;)
[06:27] <therethinker2> How?
[06:27] <therethinker2> bzr resolve didn't fix any
[06:28] <laga> you're supposed to resolve them man ually, bzr resolve is just to let bzr know it's all good now.
[06:29] <therethinker2> how do I resolve them though? Remove what I've done?
[06:30] <laga> you look at the new code and your code and make it work together. or maybe you just need to move yours down etc
[06:30] <therethinker2> hmm
[06:30] <laga> superm1: as much as i hate to admit it, removal of the experimental checkbox almost didn't hurt.
[06:31] <therethinker2> hmm
[06:34] <laga> if your google-fu doesnt help, i can take a look in a few minutes
[06:34] <therethinker2> Yeah, its not
[06:35] <benlake> hda_intel has been properly detected for my sound card, I've selected it in the Mixer, but I get no sound.... where might I start looking?
[06:35] <laga> benlake: do you get sound on mp3 playback?
[06:35] <benlake> laga: nay
[06:35] <benlake> getting hda_intel on gentoo was a chore, but it worked :P
[06:36] <benlake> I'm curious where else to go for sound configs and such, this setup is new to me
[06:38] <laga> benlake: try #ubuntu+1
[06:38] <laga> also, state what hardware you're using
[06:38] <benlake> this is a myth setup :P
[06:38] <benlake> but fair enough
[06:39] <laga> benlake: so what. it's based on ubuntu.
[06:40] <laga> benlake: sorry, don't mean to come across as the grumpy guy i am, but we can't be held responsible for other people's broken packages ;)
[06:40] <benlake> no worries
[06:40] <therethinker2> okay, I commited
[06:41] <laga> benlake: i hear there#s trouble withj snd-hda-intel; it requires a newer version for some people
[06:42] <laga> therethinker2: will take a look in a few minutes..
[06:42] <therethinker2> its k
[06:42] <therethinker2> just wanted to let you know
[06:47] <therethinker2> Wait, I need to upload it, right? Should I do that in a 2nd directory or something?
[06:50] <benlake> laga: how do I attempt this newer version? latest source type new?
[06:55] <benlake> they said "go to system > preferences > sound and test your cards there", but we no have :/
[06:57] <therethinker2> laga, should I push this broken branch?
[06:58] <therethinker2> that just seems bad ;P
[06:58] <Coded1> im thinking of getting a dvb s2 card for sattelite hd, i havent made a real decision on what hardware manufacturer to go with, can anyone here share their hd-sat experiences?
[07:00] <Coded1> i checked www.linuxcompatible.org for dvb and only 2 cards came up, neither were supported
[07:01] <Coded1> i have a 2.53ghz /512mb pc1066 base machine
[07:08] <laga> benlake: i dont think there's a module available.
[07:08] <therethinker2> laga: I just commented it out
[07:08] <laga> Coded1: www.linuxtv.org
[07:08] <therethinker2> its on like 404
[07:08] <therethinker2> on changer.py
[07:08] <therethinker2> just pushed it right now
[07:09] <laga> ok
[07:09] <benlake> hmm..
[07:09] <laga> benlake: check the bug tracker at launchpad.net
[07:09] <therethinker2> Oh crap, Sorry, I had no clue I was uploading each time :P
[07:09] <therethinker2> I messed that up :P
[07:10] <laga> heh
[07:10] <laga> well, without comitting it's no fun.
[07:10] <therethinker2> Well, I thought you had to push it
[07:10] <laga> need to finish my changes here first before i upgrade
[07:10] <laga> yeah, but if your branch is bound to branch upstream you dont
[07:10] <laga> or so
[07:10] <therethinker2> oh
[07:34] <therethinker2> I got it working :-)
[07:36] <laga> cool
[07:36] <laga> i think mine is about to start working, too.
[07:37] <therethinker2> okay, and I pushed it
[07:37] <laga> cool
[07:37] <therethinker2> (correctly, this time :P)
[07:37] <therethinker2> Should I add the multiverse?
[07:38] <laga> yes. mythtv is in multiverse
[07:38] <therethinker2> No, I mean superm1 wanted the same thing done to multiverse as the medibuntu repo
[07:38] <laga> ?
[07:38] <laga> you need to talk to him then
[07:38] <therethinker2> k
[07:39] <laga> mcc should be in multiverse, too, but it's in universe o_O
[07:39] <therethinker2> hmm
[07:50] <laga> i cant find a way to remove the optimiztation stuff and the backend role simultaenously while retaining my sanitey
[07:50] <laga> sanity*
[07:50] <therethinker2> :P
[07:50] <therethinker2> thats what pills are for
[07:51] <therethinker2> I should probably put the multiverse thing in the Advanced tab,
[07:52] <laga> and pop some pills? :)
[07:52] <laga> there's no more room in the advanced tab IMHO
[07:53] <laga> maybe you can make the medibuntu tab more generic
[07:55] <therethinker2> Well, since we removed the last box...
[07:56] <therethinker2> Well, the medibuntu tab, at least it seems, will eventually become a codec tab. (Thats the name of it... but so far its just the repo)
[07:56] <laga> hum
[07:56] <laga> superm1: ping
[07:58] <therethinker2> what does that look like? Hmm
[07:58] <therethinker2> therethinker: ping
[07:58] <therethinker2> ah
[07:58] <laga> heh
[07:58] <laga> nothing special here
[07:58] <therethinker2> I thought it was similar to /msg or something
[08:05] <therethinker2> Okay. multiverse works
[08:06] <laga> cool
[08:14] <laga> bah, conflict
[08:15] <therethinker2> wow,libdvdcss2 takes forever to install
[08:26] <therethinker2> I merged my updates  with your branch
[08:27] <laga> yes
[08:27] <laga> you probably renamed a vbox in glade which broke my code :)
[08:27] <laga> i'll fix it
[08:27] <therethinker2> k
[08:28] <therethinker2> I pushed, but you can fix it
[08:28] <therethinker2> And yeah, I probably did. sorry :P
[08:28] <therethinker2> Also, the reason  I did it a bit different for the codecs, was that if you already had something installed, you'd want to be able to uninstall it after you removed the repo
[08:30] <laga> i'll try yours now
[08:30] <laga> hum
[08:30] <laga> ah, so i can't select individual codecs after enabling medibuntu?
[08:30] <therethinker> YOu should be able to...
[08:30] <therethinker> why?
[08:31] <therethinker> You can install them separately after enabling
[08:31] <laga> where?
[08:31] <therethinker> The codec tab
[08:31] <therethinker> There's only 2...
[08:32] <laga> therethinker2: http://laga.ath.cx/medibuntu-odd.png
[08:32] <therethinker> that's very odd
[08:32] <laga> also:
[08:32] <laga> sh: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl: Permission denied
[08:33] <laga> i'll fix that
[08:33] <laga> the permission denied problem
[08:33] <therethinker2> I assume that the former is a merge problem
[08:33] <laga> i'll commit my local stuff ASAP
[08:33] <laga> so we can check the diff.
[08:34] <therethinker2> lets see...wow... mcc won't even start on mine
[08:34] <therethinker2> yeah, the vbox thing
[08:35] <laga> you're missing some fixes probably
[08:35] <therethinker2> Yeah
[08:35] <therethinker2> Was there any besides that?
[08:35] <laga> problems?
[08:35] <therethinker2> Wait, you commit your thing
[08:35] <laga> yes.
[08:35] <therethinker2> and I'll just fix the medibuntu problem from there
[08:35] <laga> bah
[08:35] <laga> conflicts
[08:36] <laga> Contents conflict in po/mythbuntu-control-centre.pot.OTHER.OTHER.OTHER
[08:36] <therethinker> :P
[08:36] <laga> i swear, if i can't get this fixed i'll kill someone.
[08:36] <therethinker> :P
[08:36] <therethinker> Again, pills
[08:36] <therethinker> And I think tgm4883 lives closer to you than I do...
[08:37] <laga> heh
[08:37] <therethinker> What text editor do you use? is that kate?
[08:37] <laga> yes, kate
[08:37] <laga> oh, looks like i was missing some changes to the advanced tab
[08:37] <therethinker> Yeah
[08:38] <laga> ok, that#s a bitch to merge. i'll just redo my changes.
[08:40] <therethinker2> Yeah, I just compiled from the last commit, and its fine for me
[08:41] <therethinker2> if you open it up, and theres a "checkbox1" and "checkbox2", then you have an old branck
[08:41] <therethinker2> *branch
[08:41] <therethinker2> I got the mediabuntu, multiverse, and 2 codecs working :-D
[08:42] <benlake> laga: I ran alsamixer and my direct channels were muted, all is well
[08:42] <therethinker2> ^superm1
[08:42] <laga> benlake: ouch
[08:43] <benlake> mythbuntu might want to inherit the sound settings app in ubunut
[08:43] <laga> benlake: send a patch or file a bug?
[08:43] <laga> wait
[08:43] <benlake> not a bug
[08:43] <benlake> just not obvious
[08:43] <laga> the sound settings app should just set them system-wide.
[08:43] <benlake> that's what I did
[08:43] <laga> alsactl save, alsactl restore
[08:46] <superm1> nice therethinker2 :)
[08:46] <laga> there is a problem
[08:46] <laga> therethinker2: if i disable medibuntu support and hit apply, i can still toggle the libdvdcss2 switch
[08:47] <therethinker> Yeah, I figured it out
[08:47] <therethinker> but I'll stick it in after you commit
[08:47] <laga> oh
[08:47] <laga> i have my stuff committed now.
[08:47] <therethinker2> oh, great
[08:48] <therethinker2> if you want to change it - line 746, should be False
[08:49] <therethinker2> sorry, 747
[08:49] <laga> no i'll just pull your commit
[08:49] <therethinker2> I'm compiling right now... was there another problem to fix?
[08:50] <superm1> laga, you no like my change
[08:50] <superm1> getting away the experimental settings?
[08:50] <laga> superm1: i do like it now
[08:50] <superm1> okay good
[08:50] <superm1> did you resolve your conflict?
[08:50] <superm1> meld is really good for that
[08:51] <superm1> meld FILE1 FILE2 FILE3
[08:51] <laga> superm1: i was just gonna use that function for someone else, too, but it's all good now.
[08:51] <superm1> it does a 3 way merge
[08:51] <superm1> okay
[08:51] <laga> no, it was just a minor conflict.
[08:51] <laga> superm1: problem is now, however, that after removing the backend, the tweaks are still on the system. they#ll be removed after hitting apply a second time.
[08:52] <therethinker2> I'm just testing, then i'll commit
[08:52] <laga> if the old function was still in place, i could have just toggled that button but oh well
[08:52] <superm1> laga, well you can put the old function back
[08:52] <superm1> sorry for wiping it :)
[08:53] <laga> um
[08:53] <laga> no
[08:53] <laga> now i got the other solution into place already :)
[08:53] <laga> although
[08:53] <laga> hum
[08:54] <laga> i can indeed put that function back, there's no need for a b utton.
[08:54] <therethinker2> wait, did you push that small fix?
[08:54] <therethinker2> Or was that a different typo?
[08:54] <laga> what small fix
[08:54] <laga> no, different typo
[08:54] <therethinker2> k
[08:58] <laga> ok
[08:58] <laga> two items left for me:
[08:58] <laga> err, three.
[08:58] <laga> * get a sane mysqld config
[08:58] <laga> * merge translations
[08:58] <superm1> sane in what sense?
[08:58] <therethinker> Let see, what else is there for mcc?
[08:59] <laga> * dont overwrite custom mysqld config, bu make a copy first
[08:59] <laga> superm1: meaning performs better than default, but doesnt cause other harm
[08:59] <superm1> i thought you were putting a /etc/mysql/conf.d/blah.conf
[08:59] <superm1> that overrides my.cnf
[08:59] <laga> i've been running with a tweaked msqld for a few months, i'll probably take those values
[08:59] <laga> superm1: yes.
[08:59] <superm1> so how would that overwrite anything possibly?
[08:59] <laga> but maybe the user makes custom changes so i'll make a copy just in case
[09:00] <superm1> oic
[09:01] <therethinker2> are there any other important  codecs in that repo?
[09:02] <therethinker2> Hmm.. should I work on the multi-desktop-enviorment thing?
[09:03] <superm1> therethinker2, i'm not sure what else is there that is useful for a mythbuntu box
[09:03] <therethinker2> Mult-desktop-env thing?
[09:03] <superm1> what mult desktop env thign?
[09:04] <laga> the bug i filed?
[09:04] <therethinker2> Like, someone said they wanted to be able to have Kubuntu AND xubuntu
[09:04] <superm1> oh yeah therethinker2 if yo ucan do that
[09:04] <superm1> that'd rock
[09:04] <superm1> therethinker2, is the repo stuff all done then?
[09:04] <therethinker2> Yep
[09:04] <superm1> awesome let me pull and see
[09:04] <therethinker2> I added 2 codecs that were already halfway into it
[09:04] <therethinker2> I'll add more if theres any other packages
[09:07] <superm1> therethinker2, do you mind if i tweak that gui a little bit?
[09:07] <laga> don't say yes, he'll randomly delete buttons.
[09:07] <superm1> haha
[09:07] <superm1> no i just want to add some alignment boxes
[09:07] <superm1> and change spacing
[09:07] <therethinker2> :P
[09:07] <therethinker2> Yes, do that
[09:07] <superm1> ok
[09:07] <therethinker2> Just no button carousing :P
[09:08] <superm1> um?
[09:08] <superm1> there is a mutliverse button on advanced management
[09:08] <superm1> that can't be touched
[09:08] <therethinker2> What do you mean
[09:08] <therethinker2> can't be touched?
[09:08] <superm1> well if you dont have mythtv-backend installed
[09:08] <superm1> its greyed out
[09:08] <therethinker2> Ohhh :P
[09:08] <therethinker2> Maybe I should have moved that somewhere else :P
[09:09] <therethinker2> do you want to place it?
[09:09] <superm1> yeah put that somewhere else
[09:09] <superm1> hm
[09:09] <superm1> well actually
[09:09] <superm1> perhaps system roles
[09:09] <therethinker2> K
[09:09] <superm1> and then grey out backend role and frontend role's boxes
[09:09] <superm1> if its not enabled
[09:09] <therethinker2> k
[09:09] <therethinker2> Question:
[09:09] <therethinker2> If I install xubuntu-desktop, the package
[09:09] <therethinker2> and I have ubuntu-desktop installed
[09:10] <therethinker2> then I remove xubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <therethinker2> Could that break ubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <superm1> No it wouldn't
[09:10] <superm1> because you'd still have ubuntu-desktop installed
[09:10] <therethinker2> I think I remember messing up like that before...
[09:10] <superm1> well it *shouldn't* at least ;)
[09:10] <therethinker2> So, basically, I could just have 3 checkboxes acting like the plugin boxes, right?
[09:11] <morphinex> therethinker2: when I did something like that it didn't break anything, but now apt-get remport all this crap it wants to autoremove
[09:11] <superm1> yeah that sounds good
[09:11] <therethinker2> Hmm
[09:11] <therethinker2> k
[09:11] <therethinker2> morphinex: hmmm
[09:11] <morphinex> And I have to live with the big autoremove list forever
[09:11] <morphinex> Maybe they've fixed it though
[09:11] <laga> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/14317 <- check out that the simon jenkison guy said
[09:12] <laga> i almost answered "put down that crack pipe."
[09:12] <therethinker2> rofl
[09:14] <laga> superm1: well, looks like these settings worked for that guy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/90942#90942
[09:14] <guddl> hi.
[09:14] <superm1> yeah those look good
[09:15] <laga> superm1: just use them? :)
[09:15] <superm1> laga, well this is an *experimental* button isn't it :)
[09:15] <superm1> if it doesnt work we're not responsible
[09:15] <laga> ah
[09:15] <laga> right
[09:15] <laga> :)
[09:17] <therethinker2> 5qu1d1485
[09:17] <therethinker2> Yay keyboard banging :D
[09:19] <superm1> okay gui is a little more tweaked in revno 90.  hopefully no complaints
[09:19] <therethinker2> k
[09:19] <therethinker2> did you touch the roles tab?
[09:19] <superm1> No
[09:19] <superm1> only touched the proprietary codecs tab
[09:19] <therethinker2> okay
[09:21] <laga> superm1: wow. some default settings in my.cnf are even 'better' than the tuned ones
[09:21] <superm1> therethinker2, something i think is wrong in the detection of whether to enable sensitivity on w32codecs / libdvdcss2
[09:21] <laga> unless different config files are installed for different machines (RAM size?)
[09:21] <superm1> i just tried turning on and off a few options
[09:21] <superm1> and there is some erratic behavior
[09:21] <therethinker2> Hm... I agree. I fix it after I get this working
[09:21] <superm1> not afaik
[09:21] <superm1> Ok.
[09:22] <therethinker2> Which *should* work right now...
[09:22] <superm1> wow this control centre is really becoming feature filled
[09:22] <therethinker2> But it always helps hitting "save" before compiling, doesn't it?
[09:22] <superm1> i think for hardy we're going to have to discuss what needs to be moved where
[09:22] <superm1> of course :)
[09:22] <therethinker2> :P
[09:22] <therethinker2> Yeah, this is amazing
[09:23] <superm1> i think its a bit more than originally planned, that's for sure
[09:23] <therethinker2> Its great though
[09:23] <therethinker2> it installs everything you need
[09:23] <superm1> yeah
[09:24] <superm1> do you issue a refresh of package lists when you enable medibuntu?
[09:24] <superm1> or multiverse for that matter?
[09:24] <therethinker2> Yep
[09:24] <therethinker2> Thats what takes so long
[09:24] <superm1> ah so that is probably the delay encountered
[09:24] <superm1> is there any way status can be shown for that?
[09:24] <superm1> and what happens if internet is down at that time?
[09:24] <laga> maybe you can say that in the progress thingamjic?
[09:24] <therethinker2> I was thinking about putting it at a later step
[09:24] <superm1> yeah that's feasible
[09:25] <therethinker2> and if the internet is down, it will just fail silently, I guess
[09:25] <therethinker2> Not sure though
[09:25] <laga> you should refresh when applying the settings and ungrey the w32codecs/libdvdcss stuff afterwards.
[09:25] <therethinker2> Yeah, I'll do that
[09:25] <superm1> same thing with when multiverse is off
[09:25] <therethinker2> What do you mean?
[09:25] <superm1> don't have backend/frontend viewable until apply is hit
[09:25] <superm1> have it greyed out
[09:25] <therethinker2> k
[09:26] <laga> superm1: btw, why is mcc in universe when it depends on multiverse?
[09:26] <laga> eg mythtv-common
[09:26] <superm1> oh that's interesting
[09:26] <superm1> didn't make that connection
[09:26] <superm1> therethinker2, forget all the multiverse stuff then i think
[09:26] <therethinker2> Why?
[09:26] <superm1> because there is no way to install it unless multiverse is on
[09:26] <therethinker2> So just remove it
[09:26] <therethinker2> K
[09:26] <superm1> yeah
[09:26] <superm1> sorry
[09:26] <therethinker2> Not a big deal
[09:28] <therethinker2> Hellava lot easier to remove than to add
[09:28] <therethinker2> :P
[09:30] <laga> heh
[09:30] <laga> shoulda brought it up earlier, sorry.
[09:30] <therethinker2> Don't mind
[09:30] <therethinker2> it wasn't hard to add either
[09:30] <therethinker2> it was just renaming medibuntu stuff
[09:30] <laga> show-off
[09:30] <laga> takes me ages to add anything :P
[09:30] <therethinker2> :P\
[09:31] <laga> ok
[09:31] <therethinker2> In a merge, is there a way to say "just go with the other file"
[09:31] <laga> mysql config ought to be done. hope it's sane
[09:32] <laga> superm1: should i ignore mythconverg for binary logs?
[09:32] <therethinker2> did someone just push?
[09:32] <superm1> laga, in the tweaked version
[09:32] <laga> superm1: yes.
[09:32] <superm1> therethinker2, did you pull my changes?
[09:32] <superm1> yeah that's probably a good idea
[09:32] <therethinker2> I did like 10 minutes ago
[09:34] <superm1> omg vnc_pass creation was broke
[09:34] <superm1> most stupid thing
[09:34] <superm1> configure_vnc( blah, "vnc_password") rather than configure_vnc( blah, vnc_password )
[09:35] <laga> heh
[09:37] <laga> i think we're getting there..
[09:37] <laga> too bad that we wont be able to do an additional upload with more translations.
[09:43] <laga> i'll update the translations in a minute
[09:45] <laga> or rather as soon as i get them from rosetta.
[09:45] <laga> bye for now.
[09:46] <superm1> well slight issue?
[09:46] <superm1> haven't a ton of things changed/
[09:46] <superm1> or will that matter
[09:46] <superm1> since the po hasn't been uploaded there for a while
[09:46] <therethinker2> superm1 -- are you still working on soemthing?
[09:46] <superm1> therethinker2, i'm done
[09:46] <therethinker2> I keep merging, and you come out with something else :P
[09:46] <superm1> uploaded revno 91
[09:46] <superm1> haha
[09:48] <therethinker2> good
[09:55] <therethinker2> Okay
[09:55] <therethinker2> No more traces of multiverse
[09:55] <therethinker2> Wait, on the CD
[09:55] <therethinker2> is multiverse enabled?
[09:55] <superm1> yeah
[09:55] <superm1> on mythbuntu disk?
[09:55] <superm1> it has to be
[09:55] <therethinker> yeah
[09:55] <therethinker2> Okay, I committed that change...
[09:55] <therethinker2> Now for the desktop stuff
[09:57] <therethinker2> Wow... this is incredibly laggy on my VM
[09:57] <therethinker2> up, there it goes
[09:57] <therethinker2> (IRC was laggy)
[10:03] <morphinex> hey guys, I'm getting hash sum mismatches on myth packages when doing apt-get upgrade
[10:03] <morphinex> Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv-backend-master_0.20.2-0ubuntu8_all.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[10:03] <morphinex> for example
[10:03] <superm1> morphinex, try another mirror
[10:04] <superm1> mirror.cs.umn.edu is having troubles
[10:04] <superm1> the last few days
[10:04] <superm1> Applications->System->Software Sources
[10:04] <superm1> you can choose one there
[10:04] <morphinex> heh, I could do that if X wasn't also broken
[10:04] <superm1> how'd X break?
[10:04] <morphinex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/149707
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149707 in ubuntu "gutsy, 2.6.22-13-generic, X won't start, nvidia" [Undecided,Fix released]
[10:05] <superm1> morphinex, those should be available as of today
[10:05] <superm1> i just got a new linux-restricted-modules myself
[10:05] <morphinex> yeah, but if umn is broken...
[10:05] <superm1> well
[10:06] <superm1> then do this
[10:06] <superm1> sudo sed -i s/mirror.cs.umn.edu/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[10:06] <laga> oh my god
[10:06] <therethinker2> for checkboxes, what's the signal for changed? I'm thinking button_release_event, but I'm not so sure
[10:06] <superm1> laga, what?
[10:06] <laga> guys, if you can't handle apt-get, don't use beta software.
[10:07] <therethinker2> Oh
[10:07] <superm1> therethinker2, i use the toggled signal
[10:07] <therethinker2> I thoguht that was just for radio buttons...
[10:07] <superm1> all checkboxes inherit GtkToggleButton
[10:07] <superm1> oh
[10:07] <therethinker2> ah
[10:08] <superm1> well yeah they do too
[10:09] <morphinex> hey laga, every single time I come in here you talk shit
[10:09] <morphinex> If you don't want people coming in here for help, why advertise this channel on your webpage?
[10:09] <morphinex> Why not make the topic indicate that you give no help?
[10:09] <superm1> hey kids lets be nice.  laga we'll get you your dev channel soon okay?
[10:10] <superm1> morphinex, he gets ornery sometimes :)
[10:10] <laga> morphinex: i won't give you the pleasure of answering to that :)
[10:10] <therethinker2> :P
[10:13] <morphinex> thanks superm, that worked, and maybe I can get X working now too
[10:13] <superm1> good luck morphinex :)
[10:13] <superm1> don't break stuff in the future.
[10:13] <superm1> :P
[10:14] <morphinex> heh, yeah, I'll work on not breaking the university of minnesota's mirror in the future ;)
[10:17] <therethinker2> Wow... I'm surprised you didn't do this first
[10:18] <superm1> therethinker2, which?
[10:18] <therethinker2> the desktop enviorments
[10:22] <superm1> therethinker2, if you get that one fixed quick and want another to tackle, you can have at that this one too :) bug 148318
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148318 in mythbuntu-control-centre "m-c-c opens terminal as root" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148318
[10:23] <therethinker2> Sure.
[10:25] <therethinker2> Yep, I'll get on it once I commit this...
[10:26] <therethinker2> After I do bzr merge, do I need to do bzr commit again?
[10:28] <superm1> yeah you do
[10:28] <therethinker2> okay
[10:29] <therethinker2> wow
[10:29] <therethinker2> I have like a GB left on this VM :P
[10:29] <superm1> that filled up quick?
[10:29] <therethinker2> I have 16 different branches of MCC
[10:29] <therethinker2> wait, 18
[10:30] <superm1> wow
[10:30] <superm1> why?
[10:30] <therethinker2> I haven't deleted the ones that I first used
[10:30] <therethinker2> And its not actually that much, its a 3.7GB VM anyway... so :P
[10:30] <superm1> oh you can keep working in the same ones after you merge them back to the main one you know right?
[10:30] <therethinker2> Yeah, I know
[10:30] <superm1> you dont have  to start a new one
[10:30] <superm1> ok
[10:31] <therethinker2> Each ones like 2.3 MB, so its not a big deal :P
[10:31] <benlake> should I make direct modifications to the xorg.conf or have a .local file?
[10:32] <laga> morphinex: sorry if i came across as unfriendly earlier. your issue was a legit one and we do provide support for mythbuntu in here. however, i believe that one shouldn't use a pre-release linux distribution if they don't even know the basics. guess our expectations clashed here a bit - and i'd probably actually feel bad if you didn't accuse me of "talking shit" :P
[10:32] <therethinker2> Wait, superm1, I think you went over my revision
[10:32] <laga> superm1: i updated the changelog
[10:32] <therethinker2> Wait, that was laga
[10:32] <superm1> therethinker2, went over it?
[10:32] <superm1> someone isn't bound in the branch they push?
[10:32] <superm1> that's not good
[10:32] <therethinker2> What I mean is
[10:33] <superm1> oh just bzr update again
[10:33] <therethinker2> I pulled a branch, and it didnt have my things
[10:33] <therethinker2> yeah
[10:33] <superm1> and then you can push therethinker2
[10:33] <laga> superm1: ok, the remote control issue should indeed be fixed
[10:33] <laga> did i do something wrong?
[10:33] <laga> i commit directly into the branch at launchpad
[10:34] <therethinker2> I just branched, and my revisions weren't there...
[10:34] <laga> ok, i'll be gone now.
[10:34] <laga> bye
[10:35] <therethinker2> bye
[10:49] <therethinker2> in bash, is there a way to take the output of one command, and use it in another?
[10:49] <superm1> pipes
[10:49] <therethinker> Oh yes
[10:50] <therethinker2> Thanks :P Brain fart
[11:03] <therethinker2> any other MCC problems?
[11:11] <therethinker> Oh, right the repos/codecs
[11:23] <DaveMorris> laga: whats eating you up now re your mailing list mail
[11:32] <superm1> therethinker, just the repos/codecs, desktops, and root terminal item
[11:32] <superm1> and that's it
[11:32] <therethinker2> Great
[11:32] <therethinker2> I'm working on fixing the codecs thing
[11:32] <superm1> k cool
[11:35] <superm1> innovative solution to the root terminal issue, but it doesn't appear to work?
[11:35] <therethinker2> It did for me
[11:35] <therethinker2> :P
[11:36] <therethinker2> Thats the bug-fixer's mantra :P
[11:36] <superm1> well if you have more than one user logged into the box
[11:36] <superm1> that breaks
[11:37] <superm1> eg: $ users
[11:37] <superm1> supermario supermario supermario supermario
[11:38] <therethinker2> hmm
[11:38] <superm1> i think what you need to do, is determine the SUDO_UID
[11:39] <therethinker2> k
[11:39] <superm1> and then from that calculate the username as listed in /etc/passwd
[11:39] <superm1> something very similar needs to be done in changer.py
[11:39] <superm1> a few times
[11:39] <therethinker2> okay
[11:40] <therethinker2> Can you help me out?
[11:40] <therethinker2> type sudo su
[11:40] <therethinker2> echo $SUDO_UID
[11:41] <therethinker2> then does it match the first, or second number in /etc/password
[11:41] <therethinker2> for your entry
[11:41] <therethinker2> wait, its a range, right?
[11:41] <superm1> well so
[11:41] <superm1> # echo $SUDO_UID
[11:41] <superm1> 1000
[11:41] <superm1> is what i get when i try it
[11:41] <therethinker2> yeah
[11:41] <therethinker2> I think in /etc/password, it lists a range
[11:41] <superm1> No.
[11:41] <superm1> it lists the uid
[11:41] <superm1> and then gid
[11:42] <superm1> so its the third field in /etc/password
[11:42] <superm1> /etc/passwd
[11:42] <therethinker2> oh
[11:42] <therethinker2> wow, thanks
[11:42] <superm1> the code to find the entry for that should already do that exact thing in changer.py
[11:42] <superm1> break it into fields and all
[11:42] <therethinker2> oh, okay
[11:42] <superm1> so a literal copy and paste should probably suffice
[11:42] <therethinker2> yeah
[11:43] <superm1> now the important thing you need to do though, if SUDO_UID isn't a number
[11:43] <superm1> eg its launched as root
[11:43] <superm1> not from su/sudo
[11:43] <superm1> then make sure to skip the section
[11:43] <therethinker2> to skip what?
[11:43] <superm1> skip finding the uid
[11:43] <therethinker2> Oh
[11:43] <superm1> it will be crashing otherwise
[11:44] <therethinker2> yeah
[11:45] <therethinker2> Hello fox
[11:45] <foxbuntu> afternoon therethinker
[11:45] <therethinker2> How can I get the output of an os.system command, though?
[11:46] <therethinker2> just doing an = doesn't work
[11:46] <therethinker2> Also, if I could...
[11:46] <therethinker2> I could always do up to the first space of the output of users
[11:49] <superm1> therethinker2, don't use output of os. commands
[11:49] <superm1> you can do it all from the environment
[11:49] <superm1> SUDO_UID can be obtained
[11:49] <therethinker2> Well, getuid() doesnt' work
[11:49] <superm1> and you can read /etc/apsswd
[11:49] <superm1> well dont do it via getuid
[11:50] <superm1> again look at changer.py :)
[11:50] <therethinker2> Ooh
[11:50] <superm1>         uid = int(os.getenv('SUDO_GID'))
[11:50] <therethinker2> I thought you were saying it NEEDED to be done in there :P
[11:50] <therethinker2> Wow, thanks :P
[11:50] <therethinker2> *smacks self*
[11:50] <superm1> haha
[11:50] <superm1> oh god
[11:50] <superm1> that would be messy
[11:50] <superm1> not to say this app isn't already messy
[11:50] <therethinker2> :P
[11:50] <superm1> but then so you just do a check
[11:51] <superm1> if uid != None
[11:51] <therethinker2> Yeah
[11:51] <superm1> then continue to find the username
[11:51] <superm1> otherwise launch terminal
[11:51] <therethinker2> and if int(uid) not equal uid
[11:51] <superm1> well i dont think you even need to do int(uid)
[11:51] <superm1> python types inherently know that kind of stuff
[11:51] <therethinker2> ah
[11:51] <therethinker2> still... can't hurt :P
[11:52] <superm1> well i dont know that python knows how to typecast actually
[11:52] <superm1> it may or may not
[11:53] <superm1> foxbuntu, i dont think you need your own tab for your stuff, there is plenty of room on the advanced management tab left over
[11:53] <superm1> especially if you make two columns
[11:53] <superm1> merge the main branch back on top of your local branch and take a look
[11:53] <therethinker2> what happened
[11:54] <superm1> with what?
[11:54] <therethinker2> Was he privately messaging you or something? :P
[11:54] <superm1> No?
[11:54] <tazgodx> so, is there a way to get LVM set up with mythbuntu? i know its not supported on the disk, but i have a few smaller drives, and i need LVM mainly
[11:54] <therethinker2> Or was it from yesterday?
[11:54] <superm1> he was working on something else he wanted to add
[11:54] <superm1> yesterday
[11:54] <superm1> tazgodx, just dont format the partition that you want to  use for lvm
[11:54] <superm1> during install
[11:54] <therethinker2> All of the sudden, it was like *wow* :P
[11:54] <superm1> after install you can activate it
[11:55] <tazgodx> can i still mount it to /var/lib
[11:55] <superm1> yeah
[11:58] <tazgodx> do you have any guides on how to activate and mount to /var/lib after install like that?
[11:59] <superm1> i've always just googled "lvm howto"
[11:59] <superm1> its a standard procedure, setting up an lvm
[12:04] <therethinker2> got it
[12:05] <foxbuntu> superm1, really?
[12:05] <superm1> what?
[12:05] <foxbuntu> tab space^^
[12:06] <superm1> merge the latest changes, we are pretty much out of room for additional tabs
[12:06] <superm1> especially if the network shares tab gets activated
[12:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, alright...I will try to fit it in on Adv
[12:07] <foxbuntu> is Adv where you want to stick this?
[12:08] <foxbuntu> wow
[12:08] <foxbuntu> 18 revs since last night?!?
[12:08] <therethinker2> Yes
[12:09] <therethinker2> I messed up, and did like 4 at once
[12:09] <therethinker2> but other than that... we were busy :P
[12:09] <superm1> yeah a lot of stuff changed today
[12:10] <superm1> therethinker2, has gotten a few bugs fixed, so has laga.  i fixed one and then reorganized a few things :)
[12:12] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok now should I move the buttons on Adv all up to the top and put my stuff below, or try to split the tab in half and put my stuff to the right?
[12:12] <therethinker2> And I just fixed another :p
[12:12] <superm1> foxbuntu, i personally think that all 3 current buttons for launching apps can be grouped along the top
[12:12] <therethinker2> Well... I would have... if it worked
[12:12] <therethinker2> I agree
[12:12] <superm1> and then laga's mysql section
[12:12] <superm1> and then your section
[12:12] <foxbuntu> ok
[12:12] <therethinker2> Why don't you make a MySQL tab?
[12:12] <superm1> we're running out of space for tabs!
[12:12] <therethinker2> Or move the optimize stuff into the DB Connect tab?
[12:13] <foxbuntu> meh
[12:13] <foxbuntu> my stuff will fit with MySQL here
[12:13] <foxbuntu> I will move some stuff around
[12:13] <DaveMorris> btw what does the mcc look like in sd tv resoultion?
[12:14] <superm1> as of right now it takes up 800x550
[12:14] <superm1> so what resolution do you drive your tv at?
[12:15] <DaveMorris>  Modes           "800x600" "640x480"
[12:15] <therethinker2> we could maybe squeeze an extra 50 px > way. But thats it
[12:15] <superm1> yeah the whole app is very very tight right now
[12:15] <DaveMorris> can you put scroll bars in so that if it's too big we can scroll around it
[12:16] <superm1> um.
[12:16] <therethinker2> I can once I fix this terminal thing
[12:16] <superm1> how about instead we just make it act like a full screen app in 800x600?
[12:16] <DaveMorris> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL look at the bottom of that
[12:17] <DaveMorris> NTSC is only 480
[12:17] <therethinker2> why don't we just resize it
[12:17] <therethinker2> The longest tab was the roles
[12:17] <superm1> resize the app?
[12:17] <therethinker2> which I made shorter with only 1 row of DE's
[12:17] <superm1> your asking for trouble there...
[12:17] <superm1> because a lot of children have set desired widths
[12:17] <superm1> that need to be adjusted then
[12:17] <therethinker2> Hmm
[12:17] <DaveMorris> scroll bars will make it useable for lower res users
[12:18] <superm1> screw low res users i say.
[12:18] <superm1> ;^)
[12:18] <therethinker2> :P
[12:18] <therethinker2> yeah
[12:27] <tazgodx> does the new beta rls of mythbuntu set up serial IR Blasters?
[12:28] <superm1> unfortunately not automatically
[12:28] <superm1> it should be easier than on feisty, but its still a time consuming setup
[12:28] <tazgodx> joy...
[12:28] <tazgodx> :)
[12:29] <foxbuntu> superm1, how can I get the tables to resize in glade?
[12:29] <foxbuntu> they dont drag
[12:29] <superm1> you have to change their expand and fill properties
[12:29] <superm1> to control what space they cover
[12:29] <superm1> and you can set requested with and height, but genrally stay away from over use of those
[12:29] <superm1> and that's for the entire table
[12:29] <superm1> not individual cells
[12:34] <therethinker2> Hmm
[12:40] <superm1> hmm?
[12:40] <superm1> still something = no work?
[12:40] <therethinker2> Yes
[12:40] <therethinker2> When I run the program in the console it works...
[12:40] <therethinker2> well, the function
[12:40] <therethinker2> but it wont work in MCC
[12:40] <superm1> how are you testing in mcc?
[12:40] <therethinker2> Yeah
[12:40] <superm1> i mean are you running debuild?
[12:41] <superm1> and installing the deb to test?
[12:41] <superm1> or how
[12:41] <therethinker2> Yeb
[12:42] <superm1> well you can debug better like this after installing
[12:42] <superm1> sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[12:42] <superm1> you'll get traceback spit to the terminal when things cras
[12:42] <superm1> crash even
[12:42] <therethinker2> I do that
[12:42] <superm1> o
[12:42] <therethinker2> Its not that it crashes
[12:42] <therethinker2> it just doesn't work :P
[12:43] <tazgodx> is the PVR-500 the best dual tuner for mythtv?
[12:45] <therethinker2> Its always root
[12:45] <therethinker2> Oh wait
[12:45] <therethinker2> I think I'm stupid...
[12:47] <superm1> tazgodx, matter of opinion
[12:48] <tazgodx> are there any other dual tuners that are good? i don't have HDTV yet, but i do plan on getting one soon also, so can i use HD tuners for regular analog for a few months?
[12:48] <superm1> well the 500 is probably the best way to go for now
[12:48] <Wy|laptop> I think the HDHomeRun is the best myth tuner at this point
[12:48] <superm1> when you get hd
[12:49] <superm1> add a hdhomerun
[12:49] <tazgodx> yeah, i was thinking of the HDHomeRun. does that have a built in HD antena? or will i need an antenna to get the OVA HD channels?
[12:50] <superm1> you'd need an antenna
[12:50] <tazgodx> or OTA
[12:50] <tazgodx> ty, i guess ill get the PVR-500 for now
[12:50] <superm1> or you'd need cable supplied QAM channels
[12:50] <superm1> have fun with it :)
[12:51] <tazgodx> :) im sure i will, the one tuner i have now just sucks when i want to record somthign and watch another
[12:51] <Wy|laptop> Well, an antenna is like 30 bucks for some nice amplified rabbit ears
[12:51] <tazgodx> haha, i was thinking of getting that pchd5500 also for after i got my HDTV
[12:52] <tazgodx> guess that would be a bad move...
[12:52] <superm1> i'm quite happy with my hdhomerun
[12:52] <superm1> come monday nights, i drive 3 hd tuners and an sd tuner all at once
[12:52] <superm1> hd home run is 2 of those
[12:52] <Wy|laptop> yeah, the card detects fine but no signal detected
[12:52] <tazgodx> can you get 2 different HD channels at once with one antenna plugged into that with a splitter?
[12:52] <Wy|laptop> and no response to my email to support
[12:53] <superm1> tazgodx, yeah
[12:53] <Wy|laptop> taz: yeah
[12:53] <Wy|laptop> superm1: I just bought one as well, should arrive in a few days
[12:54] <tazgodx> i can't wait till i get my HDTV, i want hi def programming
[12:55] <tazgodx> so, in 2 years when the US goes to all HD programming, will these sd tuners be unusable?
[12:56] <Wy|laptop> CATV will be SD analog until 2011
[12:56] <Wy|laptop> at least
[12:56] <tazgodx> i thought they set a deadline for 2009
[12:57] <Wy|laptop> that's OTA
[12:57] <tazgodx> oh
[12:57] <tazgodx> in any case, will my SD tuners be garbage in a few years?
[12:58] <superm1> who knows
[12:58] <Wy|laptop> aoops, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_television#Digital_switchover
[12:58] <superm1> its not that everything is going to all HD, its just all digital broadcasts
[12:58] <Wy|laptop> And often, if you have a cable modem, you'll pick up analog cable for .. ahem.. :P free.
[12:58] <superm1> which i wonder how the cable infrastructure is going to fare with that
[12:58] <superm1> given the already limited bandwidth
[12:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, do you want me to upload my update to the main branch?
[12:59] <Wy|laptop> Well, a digital signal uses less bandwidth than an analog signal
[12:59] <superm1> foxbuntu, does it break things?
[12:59] <superm1> or does it work?
[12:59] <foxbuntu> let me build it quick
[01:00] <tazgodx> is the PVR-500 MCE the normal 500? will it work i guess is my question
[01:01] <Wy|laptop> yes
[01:01] <tazgodx> ty
[01:01] <foxbuntu> so far all I have done id update the advanced tab
[01:01] <foxbuntu> no code for the scripts or anything yet
[01:01] <tazgodx> guess ill buy that now while i set up my myth box
[01:02] <superm1> foxbuntu, i thought you had a big patch
[01:02] <superm1> from yesterday that you were testing?
[01:02] <foxbuntu> superm1, that was before I merged it all into the Adv tab
[01:03] <superm1> shouldn't have changed too much though?
[01:03] <superm1> okay whatever
[01:03] <superm1> if that's all you changed, as long as everything works
[01:03] <superm1> push it
[01:03] <foxbuntu> I will build it quick however
[01:06] <foxbuntu> arg
[01:06] <foxbuntu> its broken
[01:06] <foxbuntu> I started over with rev 98
[01:07] <foxbuntu> and just modified tab_advanced
[01:08] <Wy|laptop> getting everything to output to alsa is such a pain in the wazoo
[01:08] <Wy|laptop> er, -alsa, + toslink
[01:10] <Wy|laptop> of course, now that I have that running fine, video playback for recordings results in screen barf
[01:13] <therethinker2> Can someone help out with my code
[01:13] <superm1> therethinker2, yeah sure
[01:13] <therethinker2> I'm completely stumped
[01:13] <superm1> what you got?
[01:13] <therethinker2> Should I pastebin or commit?
[01:13] <therethinker2> !pastebin
[01:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:14] <superm1> yeah pastebin will be fine
[01:14] <therethinker2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39810/
[01:14] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am pushing up to my launchpad branch for this one...its broke again and I dont know why
[01:15] <superm1> foxbuntu, you pushing broken stuff again?
[01:15] <therethinker2> It gets into  the else:
[01:15] <therethinker2> thats all I know
[01:16] <superm1> um, well for starters
[01:16] <superm1> you want to get SUDO_UID
[01:16] <superm1> not SUDO_GID
[01:16] <therethinker2> Wow
[01:17] <therethinker2> I can't believe I missed that
[01:17] <foxbuntu> superm1, yes, but only to my personal branch
[01:17] <superm1> therethinker2, otherwise it works
[01:18] <therethinker2> Nope. still doesn't
[01:19] <therethinker2> Wait


[15:36]  * penguin42 follows his lost Evri parcels; 2 around xmas time that haven't arrived yet - I got one of the replacements yesterday
[15:36] <penguin42> it looks like the lost ones are starting to catch up
[15:37] <zxmpi> have been used as a door stop since november :-)
[15:38] <penguin42> ?
[15:39] <penguin42> there was a video of one of the local delivery depots being complete chaos
[15:44] <zxmpi> from late october to mid feb these days is the manic period of postage and packages. overtime and temp hires help but they're just overwhelmed
[15:47] <penguin42> why October?
[15:47] <penguin42> Evri is all temp effectively anyway, it's all own-car
[15:59] <zxmpi> people knowing how long their christmas gifts took to get to far side of planet last year start earlier and earlier
[16:00]  * penguin42 ordered some dates from Holland & Barrett on News Year eve - that's how the calendar works - right?