[05:21] <superfly> maaz: tell kilos good morning
[05:21] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:49] <Kilos> morning all
[06:52] <Kilos> lte today , been fighting modem that wouldnt work even though connected. hehe no data on
[06:52] <Kilos> s/lte/late
[07:01] <Kilos> sigh!
[07:01] <Kilos> hi mazal bduk1
[07:05] <mazal> Môre oom
[07:12] <Kilos> lo Gotango
[07:12] <Gotango> Hi Kilos
[07:12] <Kilos> found out what was the prob with the airtime ian got me
[07:12] <Kilos> the twit got lanline airtime
[07:13] <Gotango> Nice , lol that's just stupid
[07:14] <Kilos> yeah too busy playing with whatsapp on cell to concentrate
[07:14] <Kilos> frustrates me no end
[07:15] <Gotango> Ya , The bbm's, and whatsapps can distract the young mind alot
[07:15] <Gotango> its good to take a break from it now and again
[07:15] <Kilos> he is 36 or 37 man
[07:17] <Gotango> oh , then only explination is female based or as you said just a twit lol
[07:21] <Kilos> sigh
[07:21] <Gotango> Wb Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> ty stupid modem disconnecxted
[07:22] <Kilos> one day ill get a telkom usb modem
[07:22] <Gotango> Aslong as it does'nt happen alot it should be fine
[07:23] <Gotango> Thats good
[07:23] <Kilos> this is ians zte that cant work on windows and he has my never die arab modem
[07:25] <Gotango> Aah , the kids gotta have the best :)
[07:26] <Kilos> na it was me that felt sorry for him because he works with win clients all the time
[07:27] <Kilos> i even installed teamviewer here so he could fix clients pcs
[07:28] <Gotango> Oh then more reason for him to have it , until he can get his own one
[07:28] <Kilos> yeah
[07:30] <Gotango> Is jupiter a good option for hardware configuration, i see it aint in synaptics
[07:31] <Kilos> the hardware in your pc?
[07:31] <Kilos> what do you wanna configure
[07:32] <Gotango> Yes
[07:32] <Kilos> to see hardware type in lspci
[07:32] <Kilos> but i dunno what you wanna conf
[07:32] <Gotango> Features
[07:32] <Gotango>  Automatically adjusts CPU mode for AC or battery
[07:32] <Gotango>  Automatically tunes the kernel for AC or battery
[07:32] <Gotango>  Automatically tunes hardware for AC or battery
[07:32] <Gotango>  Supports Asus Super Hybrid Engine (SHE)
[07:32] <Gotango>  Remembers and applies last selected configuration
[07:32] <Gotango>  Fast and efficient, low resource utilization
[07:32] <Gotango>  Easily Customizable
[07:32] <Gotango> Install jupiter in ubuntu
[07:32] <Gotango> Open the terminal and run the following commands
[07:32] <Gotango> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/jupiter
[07:32] <Gotango>  sudo apt-get update
[07:32] <Gotango>  sudo apt-get install jupiter
[07:33] <Gotango> The aboove
[07:33] <Gotango> above*
[07:33] <Kilos> na i dont need that stuff. mine works
[07:34] <Gotango> I'm gona install it after the graphics driver update
[07:35] <Gotango> Also gona remove all nvidia stuff after the graphics update
[07:36] <Kilos> ok
[07:36] <Gotango> Am i still your student ?
[07:36] <Kilos> ya
[07:36] <Gotango> oh
[07:36] <Kilos> lol
[07:37] <Gotango> It seems i graduated myself in some weird way lol
[07:38] <Kilos> thats the modern way. we'll see if you need help still. that will define who is the student
[07:38] <Kilos> like matrics pass and want managerial posts to start working
[07:39] <Kilos> sigh
[07:39] <Gotango> Ya true
[07:46] <bduk1> Morning All
[07:48] <Gotango> Hi bduk1
[08:02] <Gotango> Hi Vince-0
[08:02] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:10] <Kilos> ai! change mouse and knock power cvable out
[08:11] <Kilos> cable too
[08:11] <Vince-0> Hi
[08:28] <Kilos> wb Gotango somaunn
[08:29] <Kilos> hi Squirm all good?
[08:31] <Gotango> ty Kilos
[08:34] <Squirm> morning
[08:34] <Squirm> Kilos: all good
[08:34] <Squirm> that side?
[08:34] <Kilos> yeah good ty
[08:35] <Gotango> Hey Squirm and somaunn
[09:20] <Kilos> hi Xethron psyatw
[09:21]  * Kilos greets the fly
[09:25] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:25] <psyatw> hi Xethron
[09:25] <Xethron> hi hi
[09:28] <Gotango> hey Xethron and psyatw
[09:29] <charl> good morning
[09:30] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:30]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:30] <charl> hi psyatw, Xethron, Gotango, Kilos
[09:30] <Gotango> Hi charl
[09:30] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[09:30] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:30] <somaunn> Hi All
[09:31] <Kilos> Gotango, if you really tight with data you open maaz in pm and get hime to google for you. then you get 4 best links
[09:31] <Gotango> I see Kilos, thanks
[09:32] <Gotango> I just wana get java to work right here though and run opera mini emulator without needing to use 50% cpu. I used to save tons of data with that
[09:33] <psyatw> hi Gotango
[09:33] <psyatw> hi somaunn
[09:33] <psyatw> I download the JDK and put it in my path
[09:33] <Gotango> 30kb to open a 500kb webpage
[09:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[09:34] <Gotango> psyatw i got the OpenJDK here
[09:35] <Gotango> I think thats the issue , since OpenJDK is not the real java JRE
[09:38] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:38] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:38] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[09:41] <charl> Maaz: thank you
[09:41] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[09:57] <Kilos> holy moly
[09:57] <Kilos> https://imageshack.com/i/n86ammj
[10:24] <charl> what does the bat say
[10:25] <charl> that bat probably swallows a human whole
[10:25] <Kilos> massive hey
[10:25] <Kilos> unreal
[10:25] <Gotango> lol , SAPS can use that thing to catch criminals from the sky
[10:25] <Kilos> lol
[10:26] <Gotango> Those claws can decap a head lol
[10:26] <Kilos> yeah
[10:27] <charl> i hear bats take small children
[10:27] <Kilos> i wonder if its not a hoax
[10:27] <charl> if that bat is a vampire then it would suck you dry, literally
[10:27] <Kilos> surely you dont get bats that size
[10:28] <charl> that thing will have you for breakfast and then get peckish around 11
[10:29] <Gotango> lol
[10:29] <Kilos> hehe
[10:29] <charl> sorry i am being lame, i go back to work now
[10:29] <Gotango> cool movie prop though
[10:31] <Gotango> Big grasshopper thing at the back too
[11:35] <Kilos> aw my buntu appy died
[11:53] <Gotango> Hmm , one never seems to know when a program is active or not from the dash. Everything looks as if its running ai.
[11:54] <Kilos> huh
[11:55] <Gotango> Why aint the "not running" programs labeled in a disabled type icon ?
[11:56] <Gotango> Like greyed out or something, those colors makes it look like the program is on
[11:56] <Kilos> havent they got tick blocks
[11:57] <Gotango> oh lol forgot about those microscopic ticks
[11:57] <Kilos> i cant even find how to get there now
[11:58] <Kilos> if you get everything working as you like it then you can make a remastersys dvd of your running os
[11:58] <Gotango> Ubuntu should do something about that , it will confuse the hell out of new users
[11:58] <Kilos> and use that in any pc to install or just use from dvd
[11:59] <Kilos> in remastersys you choose the backup mode and the dvd is identical to your system
[12:00] <Gotango> You mean put the current system on dvd when i got the drivers installed
[12:01] <Gotango> I mean the Ati drivers , no nvidia
[12:05] <Kilos> yes it makes it identical to your running pc
[12:05] <Kilos> if you boot from the live dvd you even have to put your password in
[12:06] <Kilos> great for reinstalls too
[12:06] <Kilos> then you dont need to go looking for drivers and all your apps
[12:06] <Gotango> Great, i will do that thanks Kilos :)
[12:07] <Kilos> yw
[12:07] <Gotango> BTW i did a little calculation
[12:07] <Kilos> yes?
[12:08] <Gotango> I took the proprietary graphics drivers size and added everything about AMD and ATI stuff in synaptics and i got 152456 kb
[12:08] <Gotango> 152MB
[12:11] <Gotango> The biggest one is fglrx 39MB , video driver for the Amd graphics accelerators
[12:12] <Gotango> All of them are not installed yet
[12:23] <Gotango> I'm sure when they are extracted they will be far bigger.
[13:03]  * Gotango scared everyone away lol
[13:04] <Kilos> lol
[13:04] <Kilos> mazaand bduk knock off at 3pm
[13:04] <Kilos> mazal
[13:06] <Gotango> i dont understand
[13:06] <Kilos> they work till 3
[13:07] <Kilos> and rarely here on weekends
[13:07] <Gotango> Oh, that makes sense
[13:13] <Gotango> So i guess in summer pc's work harder than in winter :/
[13:14] <Kilos> must be but desktops dont seem to have same probs as lappies
[13:14] <Kilos> and place to add 2 more fans
[13:14] <Kilos> 3 actually
[13:15] <Gotango> ya thats true. Desktops got it good, except for the power bill may be a bit higher
[13:15] <Kilos> yeah but dont need replacement betteries either
[13:16] <Kilos> im happ with dt pc
[13:18] <Kilos> trying to decide if fan better on side cover or back panel
[13:18] <Gotango> Maybe if i got my own place again and a steady income, i will get a desktop again. But build my own mod.
[13:19] <Kilos> yeah would be lekker to build a custom pc without cash restrictions
[13:19] <Kilos> like Symmetria s one
[13:19] <Kilos> ask him what it has cost him
[13:19] <Kilos> i think 68g ram alone
[13:19] <Gotango> Maybe better on the side to get that air out easier
[13:20] <Gotango> huh ? R68000 ?
[13:20] <Kilos> i got big mesh section on back panel as well and that would suck over the cpu as well
[13:20] <Kilos> ran of 68 gig
[13:20] <Kilos> pc was more than that in total i think
[13:21] <Gotango> oh memory size. Thats alot of Ram
[13:21] <Kilos> yeah
[13:21] <Kilos> sure he said pc was like 80k
[13:21] <Gotango> What does he use it for
[13:22] <Kilos> he is a networking guy but also plays with photography
[13:22] <Kilos> 10 mor 13 TB drives
[13:22] <Gotango> R80geez wow!
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:23] <Kilos> inetpro, wen jy darem
[13:23] <Gotango> awesome
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos: stadig maar seker
[13:24] <Kilos> didnt you see the link to his setup?
[13:24] <Kilos> mooi boetie hoe moed
[13:24] <Gotango> Hey inetpro
[13:24] <Kilos> 5 screens
[13:24] <inetpro> hi Gotango
[13:24] <Gotango> Probably 4k screen setup
[13:25] <Kilos> Symmetria, ping
[13:27] <Kilos> one screen is big as my room
[13:28] <Kilos> flat tv thing
[13:29] <Gotango> Nice, he can probably control everything in his house too
[13:34] <Kilos> ?
[13:34] <Gotango> The most i will ever wana spend on a rig is 10k
[13:35] <Kilos> you can get a nice pc for 10k
[13:36] <Kilos> gaming pc
[13:36] <Gotango> Ya 8 cores cpu is good enough
[13:36] <Kilos> i7 an all
[13:36] <Kilos> 3k for the cpu
[13:37] <Kilos> inetpro, storm dit daar in die dorp weer
[13:37] <Kilos> lyk my weer kom van daai kant
[13:37] <inetpro> ek sien net donkerte
[13:38] <Kilos> ai!
[13:38] <Kilos> ek hhor donderweer maar nog ver
[13:38] <Kilos> hoor
[13:38] <Kilos> laaste een was nader
[13:40] <Kilos> oh Gotango does your lappie auto connect to the net
[13:42] <Kilos> 12.04 gave me grey hair with that prob
[13:42] <Gotango> Nope Kilos, i like to start it myself though
[13:42] <Kilos> ah
[13:42] <Gotango> My startup apps list is empty
[13:43] <Kilos> should be a script there but its made for 8ta
[13:43] <Gotango> I dont want any kind of Os doing anything automaticly, without me knowing about it lol
[13:44] <Kilos> lol
[13:45] <Gotango> Just typing the iftop command alot is a bit annoying
[13:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:46] <Gotango> Should'nt there be a way to make the doller $ sign a hash # in the terminal
[13:46] <Kilos> why?
[13:46] <Kilos> look in settings keyboard and options or layout
[13:47] <Kilos> lots stuff in there like compose key
[13:47] <Gotango> I think i saw you set that if you dont wana type in your pw all the time with sudo
[13:47] <Kilos> for making ° signs etc
[13:47] <Kilos> °
[13:48] <Gotango> I think its a terminal thing though not a keyborad shortcut
[13:48] <Gotango> keyboard*
[13:50] <Kilos> no man you set it up in settings then the terminal does
[13:50] <Kilos> it
[13:50] <Gotango> oh ok
[13:50] <Kilos> môre
[13:52] <Gotango> btw why cant i drag the launcher icons to where i want them?
[13:56] <Gotango> Get the list of launcher
[13:56] <Gotango> In the terminal type the following and press enter
[13:56] <Gotango> gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites
[13:56] <Gotango> Some thing like this will be returned.
[13:56] <Gotango> ['application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices']
[13:56] <Gotango> Re-order the launchers
[13:56] <Gotango>  Copy this, paste in the text editor and re-organize things. Suppose I want to keep the nautilus at the top, I would do the following:
[13:56] <Gotango> ['application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices']
[13:56] <Gotango> Set the order
[13:56] <Gotango> In the terminal type:
[13:56] <Gotango> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites ['application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices']
[13:56] <Gotango> Refresh Unity
[13:56] <Gotango>  Press Alt + F2 , type unity and press enter, this will refresh unity and the launcher.
[13:56] <Gotango> This should set the order and should survive through reboots but I don't have 16 launchers and haven't tested them.
[13:56] <Gotango> If this doesn't work, use the following shell script and run it after you log in:
[13:56] <Gotango> #!/bin/bash gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites ['application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices']
[13:57] <Gotango> Save it in your home folder, say a.sh and make it executable by
[13:57] <Gotango> chmod +x a.sh
[13:57] <Gotango> Then, when you login:
[13:57] <Gotango>  Press Alt + F2 , type a.sh and press enter.
[13:57] <Gotango> All this just to move some icons around in the launcher ?
[13:59] <Kilos> ?
[13:59] <Kilos> i put those i want in the launcher and remove the rest
[14:00] <Gotango> How Kilos ?
[14:00] <Gotango> I'm not doing the above
[14:00] <Kilos> right click remove from launcher
[14:00] <Kilos> type app in dash and drag to launcher
[14:01] <Gotango> Only Unlock from launcher
[14:01] <Kilos> ya thats it
[14:01] <Gotango> ok
[14:01] <Kilos> then if you want to use it again you open it from dash
[14:02] <Gotango> Why? I dont wana go there, i want it on the side bar
[14:02] <Kilos> i unlock firefox and all the libreoffice stuff
[14:03] <Kilos> that side bar is to quick click to opened apps
[14:03] <Kilos> there was a book somewhere
[14:04] <Kilos> http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/12321/how-can-i-start-learning-unity-fast-list-of-tutori.html
[14:04] <Gotango> Yes i wana quick click
[14:04] <Kilos> http://docs.unity3d.com/
[14:07] <Gotango> hmm , nothing of interest there
[14:09] <Gotango> Its fine i'll just remove and throw the app there i wana use
[14:26] <Gotango> and the bookmarking of folders, man dunno why it have to be such a long process
[14:28] <Gotango> Now i see why so many hate unity
[14:33]  * Gotango hou op! jou kla kous!
[14:34] <inetpro> Gotango: many small unity niggles have been fixed in later releases
[14:35] <Gotango> I guess so inetpro
[14:36] <Trixar_za> I always think of Unity Linux whenever anybody mentions the Unity GUI
[15:21] <charl> good afternoon
[15:21] <charl> just had some blood drawn for an allergy test
[15:21] <charl> was almost painless, couldn't believe it
[15:23] <Trixar_za> Yeah, they're getting pretty good at it
[15:23] <Trixar_za> I used to be terrified of needles as a kid
[15:25] <charl> i still can't see blood
[15:25] <charl> especially not if it's my own :)
[15:26] <charl> wb Kilos
[15:26] <Kilos> ty, i went to sleep and looks like the modem did as well
[15:28] <charl> oh your sleepy huawei e220 modem?
[15:29] <Kilos> no the zte thing
[15:29] <charl> bah
[15:29] <charl> i thought it's the arab modem, in the warm weather they need to sleep to keep their cool
[15:30] <Kilos> na ian took the arab modem , that one never disconnected
[15:30] <Kilos> hehe
[15:31] <Kilos> when i get more energy im still gonna learn to use minicom
[16:09] <somaunn> hello
[16:09] <Kilos> somaunn, have you looked at  WPS,
[16:10] <somaunn> Kilos: nope
[16:10] <Kilos> (such as WPS, which is a clone of MS Office 2012)
[16:10] <Kilos> i saw mention of it here
[16:10] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/297151/how-to-run-32-bit-programs-on-a-64-bit-system
[16:11] <Kilos> havent read more yet
[16:11] <somaunn> Kilos: oh yeah that one i've tried but still it's not working the way i expect it to be but that was months ago
[16:11] <somaunn> let me quickly jump there and see how it look like
[16:11] <Kilos> ok, ive never heard of it even
[16:21] <Kilos> wow while i slept my screen resolution changed
[17:25] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:26] <Kilos> Golynx, whats with the nick change
[17:26] <Kilos> tired of tangoing
[17:26] <Golynx> lol , i'm no dancer :p
[17:26] <Golynx> Rather be a wild cat
[17:26] <Kilos> haha
[17:28] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos...
[17:29] <Golynx> Almost installed Kate, thank goodness i changed my mind and remember to update the plugins in gedit
[17:29] <Kilos> Golynx, look at nano man
[17:29] <Kilos> kate is for kde
[17:30] <Golynx> I was looking for the same experience editor like notepad++ on windows
[17:30] <Kilos> eish
[17:30] <Golynx> Saved sessions is a real plus
[17:30] <Kilos> look for better experiences amn
[17:30] <Golynx> Nano?
[17:31] <Kilos> you type in sudo nano and the path to the file
[17:31] <Kilos> serious editor
[17:31] <Golynx> Nano has no Gui
[17:31] <Kilos> yes man
[17:31] <Golynx> How do i gui nano
[17:31] <Kilos> same as gedit
[17:32] <Kilos> instead of gedit just put nano in the command
[17:32] <Kilos> just replace gedit with nano
[17:33] <Golynx> Thats the same command line interface Kilos
[17:33] <Kilos> yes
[17:33] <Kilos> but its nano
[17:34] <Kilos> and to save trl+o
[17:34] <Kilos> ctrl+o
[17:34] <Kilos> ctrl+x to quit
[17:34] <Golynx> I want code coloring , saved sessions , autocomplete , many things i will never be able to do in command line
[17:34] <Kilos> it shows lotsa colours in programs
[17:34] <Golynx> gedit got those things now , i find them in the updated plugins
[17:35] <Kilos> read man nano and see what all it can do
[17:35] <Kilos> i use it for basic stuff
[17:35] <Kilos> but gedit is powerful so carry on
[17:36] <Golynx> Thanks man, but i wana click and work fast, not type everytime i need to do something
[17:37] <Golynx> but for basic text editing nano seems great!
[17:40] <nlsthzn> as a sad note the latest version of kate has been given some major work :)
[17:41] <Golynx> hey nlsthzn
[17:42]  * nlsthzn not sure why he wrote "sad" note... should be side :p
[17:42] <nlsthzn> alo Golynx
[17:42] <Golynx> kate dont wana install by me, missing packages that dont wana update
[17:42] <Golynx> but kde is too intense anyway
[17:42] <nlsthzn> odd... but I can imagine it needs a lot of KDE dependencies ...
[17:43]  * nlsthzn is glad he got Kubuntu 13.10 sorted out again :)
[17:43] <Kilos> i like it too
[17:43] <Kilos> much improved
[17:43] <Golynx> Aah thats good nlsthzn
[17:44] <nlsthzn> ah yes uncle Kilos also rocking some KDE now
[17:46] <Kilos> Golynx, telkom rocks
[17:47] <Kilos> if you put R30 airtime they give you 30 frree to use in a week or so
[17:47] <Kilos> but you cant buy data with the free airtime
[17:48] <Golynx> Thats good Kilos , with cellc is you buy R30 airtime you get 30MB free :)
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:49] <Kilos> ok stay  with cellc
[17:50] <Golynx> I will stay with cellc for a while , when i got a chance to get that R149 deal from telkom mobile i will take that
[17:51] <Kilos> what R149 deal?
[17:51] <Golynx> That 2+1 deal you talked about
[17:51] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:51] <Kilos> i thought you meant with the starter pack
[17:52] <Golynx> nah i dont wana waste R49 if here is no coverage
[17:52] <charl> good evening fellows
[17:52] <Golynx> Hey charl
[17:52] <Kilos> hi charly
[17:52] <charl> nlsthzn: i am also on kubuntu 13.10 now inside a VM at work
[17:53] <Kilos> evening superfly
[17:53] <charl> nlsthzn: some applications don't run that well inside a tiling window manager and i need to use some heavy developer tools at work
[17:53] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:53] <charl> hi Golynx
[17:53] <nlsthzn> I love the fact that with the back port you are basically always running bleeding edge KDE
[17:53] <charl> oh i just got PoE sorted, can try my new telephone tomorrow...
[17:53] <Golynx> Will try download the drivers tomorrow morning, thats usually when the network here is at its best
[17:54] <nlsthzn> and KDE has even beaten Arch to the punch sometimes to be the first to have a new release of KDE available
[17:54] <charl> nlsthzn: nah i just run the stable version, i just need something that works
[17:54] <charl> kubuntu you mean?
[17:54] <charl> very nice
[17:54] <nlsthzn> there is nothing more stable in an older release of KDE over a new one... new one has the bug fixes for the old one Lo
[17:54] <nlsthzn> sorry I mean kubuntu
[17:55] <charl> actually you have a good point there
[17:55] <nlsthzn> now running KDE 4.12
[17:55] <charl> backport you say? maybe i should try it
[17:55] <Kilos> took some setting up to make it like 12.04 kde but very lekker then and super fast install
[17:55] <charl> haven't used the backports in years
[17:55] <nlsthzn> charl:  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.12
[17:55] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:56] <Golynx> Kilos , there is alot of files of yours in /Storage
[17:56] <Golynx> Hi superfly
[17:56] <charl> brb need to go to the shops
[17:56] <Kilos> storage there by you?
[17:56] <Golynx> Yes
[17:56] <Golynx> Windows stuff too
[17:56] <superfly> hi Golynx
[17:57] <Kilos> my storage here has lots of isos and backups etc
[17:57] <Kilos> windows tools
[17:57] <Kilos> or winstuff
[17:57] <Golynx> Ya, should i delete it
[17:57] <Kilos> haha i wonder how it got there
[17:57] <Kilos> look at everything man
[17:57] <Kilos> dont just delete
[17:58] <Kilos> maybe you can fix someone elses pc and show then how clever linux users are
[17:58] <Golynx> I only know Mirc in Everything folder
[17:58] <Golynx> lol
[17:58] <Kilos> ok then delete
[17:58] <Golynx> ok
[17:59] <Kilos> and use for saving your stuff
[17:59] <Golynx> I wont be running Wine , so windows apps i wont use
[17:59] <Golynx> Will do
[17:59] <Kilos> run backups to there and save /var/cache/apt/archives/ to there
[18:00] <Kilos> wine gives me probs everyime
[18:00] <Golynx> Nice , will try that
[18:00] <Kilos> crashes my gui then i need to install gdm to get going again
[18:01] <Kilos> when you want to save them there is a command for it
[18:01] <Kilos> so all your downloaded packages are saved
[18:02] <Kilos> isnt there a precise folder in there?
[18:02] <Golynx> I will do the remastersys thing aswell when i have downloaded all my needed apps
[18:02] <Golynx> nope
[18:16] <nlsthzn> night all
[18:16] <Kilos> sleep tight nlsthzn
[18:17] <Golynx> take care nlsthzn
[18:54] <Golynx> Kilos https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI says  NOTE: If you are switching from another OEM's hardware, NVIDIA for instance, you must uninstall the driver for that hardware before installing the AMD driver.
[18:54] <Golynx> I'm afraid something may break if i uninstall nvidia
[19:03] <Golynx> Ok i will uninstall before downloading
[19:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:04] <Kilos> it shouldnt
[19:05] <Kilos> there should be a basic ati apprunning there too
[19:05] <Kilos> radeon something or other
[19:06] <Golynx> Those Xorg processes that control the display now is really very small less than 100kb
[19:07] <Golynx> Dunno what will happen , but will uninstall nvidia before activating the proprietary drivers
[19:08] <Golynx> oh ya radeon too
[19:09] <Golynx> Hope fglrx does what it says
[19:11] <Kilos> if you are using the additional drivers tool it will do everything needed
[19:12] <Kilos> just use synaptic to remove nvidia-173 and nvidia-settings and or maybe nvidia-173-updates
[19:12] <Kilos> then hit additional drivers
[19:13] <Kilos> dont reboot between
[19:13] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[19:13] <inetpro> sup?
[19:13] <Golynx> What about the terminal uninstal ?
[19:14] <Kilos> terminal is fine as long as you get the info right
[19:14] <Golynx> is it the same as synaptic
[19:14] <Kilos> all good ty inetpro and there
[19:14] <Kilos> yes aptitude remove
[19:14] <inetpro> np Kilos
[19:14] <Golynx> ok thanks Kilos
[19:15] <inetpro> just getting ready for bed
[19:15] <Kilos> yeah me too. woke you up to say goodnight
[19:15]  * inetpro needs to try again and learn to sleep early
[19:15] <Kilos> hehe
[19:15] <Kilos> go run 5 ks every night then you will sleep lekker
[19:16] <inetpro> sjoe, that sounds too much man
[19:16] <Kilos> sleep comes easy to tired body but not tired mind only
[19:16] <Kilos> well start with 1/2k
[19:16] <Kilos> or run around the block then kick it under the bed
[19:17]  * inetpro started doing early morning walks of just less than 3km
[19:17] <Kilos> thats good for ballies
[19:17] <inetpro> tough to wake up early though
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> better in eveing though
[19:18] <Kilos> even a walk after supper
[19:18] <Kilos> evening
[19:18] <inetpro> morning walks are very refreshing
[19:18] <Kilos> so is a cold shower
[19:19] <inetpro> ai!
[19:19] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <inetpro> good night Kilos


[18:06] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:29] <ajmitch> morning
[19:33] <hads> morning
[20:29] <mwhudson> morning
[21:23] <chilts> morning


[23:50] <LordKow> i cannot code without music and what i use requires xine :)
[23:50] <LordKow> <-- coded very angrily today
[23:52] <LordKow> remove 5 packages for 1 upgrade, meh not happening. 2 of those packages i use
[23:52] <tsmithe> new mscore upload ready for revuing ;) :: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=mscore
[23:53] <tsmithe> persia recommended Standards-Version 3.7.3, so /me points finger about lintian messages (i'm not sure where to find out the current version other than other developers telling me)
[23:53] <tsmithe> TheMuso, apachelogger, would you care to take a look?
[23:54] <TheMuso> tsmithe: Will do as soon as I've finished what I'm doing here.
[23:54] <tsmithe> thank you very much
[23:54] <LaserJock> tsmithe: generally a good way to check for Standards-Version is to look at the version of debian-policy in the target release
[23:54] <tsmithe> oh yes
[23:54] <tsmithe> excellent, i'm off to bed :)
[23:55] <LaserJock> tsmithe: that tells you the "current" version, but it's good to actually make sure you're meeting the policy
[23:55] <tsmithe> why of course


[00:00] <JontheEchidna> I guess we're all good though :)
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 295534
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> there's a bug for the changelog entry when ya do the backport
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: also your 2.6.2 package for Hardy has been trying to build in kubuntu-experimental for half a month now :P
[00:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done.  I think
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> hugs!
[02:15] <jjesse> evening
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Hai
[02:20] <rgreening> \o jjesse
[02:23] <jjesse> lo rgreening
[02:23] <jjesse> oh hai DaSkreech
[02:31] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: ping
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Wasn't there a bug filed that firefox pulls in all of Gnome ?
[02:34] <nixternal> jjesse: you should go to the Michigan User's Group meeting tomorrow night in Ann Arbor :P
[02:34] <nixternal> I am presenting Kubuntu and KDE there
[02:34] <nixternal> nice 5 hour drive one-way :(
[02:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Or would you know ? :)
[02:35] <nixternal> huh?
[02:35] <nixternal> I don't follow firesux
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Wasn't there a bug filed on LP about Firefox pulling in all of Gnome
[02:36] <nixternal> dunno
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> bug 266946
[02:38] <DaSkreech> ah that was it!
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Thanks JontheEchidna
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> np
[02:44] <rgreening> DaSkreech: apturl is the culprit. I was going to work with mvo at UDS on a better KDE spec for FF
[02:44] <rgreening> DaSkreech: I've added to the specs page in ~topic
[02:47] <DaSkreech> What's the deal with the qt firefox from Mozilla?
[02:49] <rgreening> dunno.
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.5-0.1ubuntu1) but 1.0.5-1ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> meh
[03:47] <ScottK> Give me a merge debdiff and I'll sponsor it.  Problem solved.
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> the thing is that I can't seem to find the problem...
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> Depends: libbz2-1.0 (=${binary:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends}
[03:49] <ScottK> Use dpkg-compareversions (or something very close to that)
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> dpkg --compare-versions perhaps?
[03:53] <ScottK> Yeah.
[03:53] <crimsun> you appear to have some sort of intrepid/jaunty apt cache mix
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> I thought I told pbuilder to make a jaunty environment
[03:55] <ScottK> OK.  In that case, I'd listen to what crimsun has to say.
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: you think recreating the pbuilder environment would help?
[03:56] <crimsun> JontheEchidna: did you resync by using pbuilder update ?
[03:56] <crimsun> and if you altered the components, you'll need --override-config
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> I thought I had a hook for doing an update each time I try to build something, but looking at the log I guess it doesn't upgrade
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> silly me
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: much better, thanks for the hint
[03:59] <crimsun> yw
[04:06] <ScottK> Is there any real reason I shouldn't write an obnoxious blog post about how Rosetta's major accomplishment for KDE was to deliver translations worse than upstreams?
[04:06] <vorian> :o
[04:06] <vorian> ScottK: i'd skip that
[04:06] <vorian> maybe somethng about the greatness of the coming 4.2
[04:07] <ScottK> Why?  If no one says anything, that one will just suck too.
[04:07] <vorian> :/
[04:08] <ScottK> The one where everything is 'fixed' we got at the end is still less complete than upstream's.
[04:11]  * ScottK looks for the screen shots.
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> to their credit they have seemed to have found/dealt with the issues.... after the release: bug 292473
[04:12] <ScottK> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991047111/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991042741/
[04:12] <ScottK> The Kubuntu one is after stuff was fixed.
[04:13] <ScottK> That's what we released with.
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> I mean, after the release they found further issues which they resolved a few days ago
[04:13] <ScottK> I checked with apachelogger and the Kubuntu screenshots are correctly described.
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> but yes, we did release with awful translations
[04:15] <ScottK> I see.
[04:15] <ScottK> Well that's good news.
[04:16] <ScottK> Are these new language packs released yet?
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> not that I know of
[04:16] <ScottK> So we still suck.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> Harald seems to know what's going on
[04:19]  * JontheEchidna out
[07:31] <Riddell> morning
[08:43] <supertones> does ati or nvidia work better these days?
[10:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: got some more packages for me to accept?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK: like that backports kde4libs?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ?
[10:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: never mind, someoen else accepted it
[12:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: I would assume the packages are uploaded by now, somewhere.... ;-)
[12:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I found the phonon problem
[12:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: OMG
[12:41] <Nightrose> tell
[12:41]  * Nightrose prepares cookies
[12:43] <apachelogger> at some point they introduced a policy control node as a kded module, called phononserver, it appears to me that if that module is not loaded (e.g. when you are running a KDE 4 version with an too old phonon) the device listing fails and no sound is going to come out of the speakers
[12:43] <apachelogger> that also perfectly explains why it is working in a kde-nightly session
[12:43] <Nightrose> oO
[12:44] <apachelogger> so IMHO this is pretty much phonon's fault, as it should be capable of running in an environment where kded doesn't have the policy server
[12:45] <apachelogger> it's also likely that it doesn't work properly in a GNOME session
[12:47] <apachelogger> yus
[12:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it also fails in GNOME, unless phonon tried to query my other dbus session, which would be stupid as well ;-)
[12:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: great
[12:47] <Nightrose> not
[12:47] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:48] <Nightrose> so what to do?
[12:48] <Nightrose> add that thingy?
[12:48] <apachelogger> we can't
[12:48] <Nightrose> :/
[12:48] <Nightrose> why?
[12:49] <apachelogger> I seroisouly doubt a 4.2 kded module works in 4.1
[12:49] <apachelogger> not to mention the fiddeling with paths
[12:49] <Nightrose> ah
[12:49] <apachelogger> and it would be only a workaround
[12:49] <Nightrose> yea
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Vir has to fix tha phonon
[12:49] <apachelogger> it's broken in everything but KDE 4.2 sessions according to my studies
[12:49] <Nightrose> do youhave time to write him an email? I doubt I can explain this to him in a way he understands
[12:50] <apachelogger> just mail him what I said
[12:50] <Nightrose> oh he is online
[12:50] <Nightrose> you can talk to him in .dev
[12:50] <jussi01> hey Nightrose! did apachelogger make you a nice package yet?
[12:51] <Nightrose> heya jussi01 :)
[12:51] <Nightrose> nope
[12:52] <jussi01> Nightrose: oh thats sad...
[12:52] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:52] <apachelogger> package of what?
[12:53] <Nightrose> jep
[12:53] <Nightrose> quassel
[12:53] <jussi01> apachelogger: she wants latest git quassel in app, Im traveling so dont have time
[12:53] <jussi01> ppa*
[12:53] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:54] <jussi01> is it possible to get flash in webkit?
[12:55] <jussi01> ie. webkitkde in konqui...
[13:00] <apachelogger> yes
[13:00] <apachelogger> with Qt 4.5
[13:20] <Riddell> hmm, bug in my inbox subject "WARNING: Intrepid might burn down MacBook Pro"
[13:24] <apachelogger> I don't have that one
[13:24] <apachelogger> must not be important  :P
[13:46] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I think every thing is accepted now, thanks.
[13:47] <ScottK> Somone might want to look at Debian Bug #505285.  It's claimed there to be a 4.1.2 -> 4.1.3 regression.  We should make sure we don't have it.
[13:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: looks older than 4.1.3
[13:50] <apachelogger> I think I saw that backtrace a couple of times already
[13:52] <ScottK> OK.  Just watching out for regressions.
[14:15] <apachelogger> is seele on vacation?
[14:17] <Riddell> not that I know of
[14:17] <apachelogger> need to know when/if she has time for the meeting
[14:18] <apachelogger> we have a quorum on sunday, but ScottK doesn't have time and james_w might be half-asleep, on tuesday we don't have a quorum but ScottK and james_w should be around
[14:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Depending on the time on Sunday there is some hope I might make it (if it's in the afternoon in -0500).  I just can't promise.
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess we could do a short meeting with Arby's membership application and other upcoming topics and devote tuesday to the bzr discussion
[14:20] <apachelogger> the short meeting would be on sunday
[14:23] <Riddell> I'd prefer tuesday
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: if seele or Tonio are able to attend we have a quorum on tuesday... or we just do the voting via mail
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I guess we could write a script for filing our SRU bugs. we already reference bugs which are fixed in the changelog, so the script could quite easily do an information aggregation and submit the SRU bugs
[14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: she is visiting family afaik
[14:35] <Nightrose> if you are lucky she may show up from time to time
[14:35] <apachelogger> hm, IMHO you should just do the membership voting via mail then
[14:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: fregl is moving this weekend so i have no idea when and if i will be around
[14:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: doing the meeting on tuesday as it seems
[14:37] <Nightrose> ok good
[14:37] <jjesse> morning
[14:37] <apachelogger> jjesse: konichiwa
[14:42] <rgreening> bom dia
[14:44] <apachelogger> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promo&m=122634721728301&w=2
[14:47] <Riddell> nice post :)
[14:52] <jjesse> yay
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> Some d00d hit a telephone poll last night and knocked out power to the entire neighborhood :/
[15:03] <apachelogger> bug 280997
[15:04] <apachelogger> I think you all will have to attend a workshop about proper bug triage
[15:04] <jjesse> we don't need no stinkin bug triage
[15:06] <apachelogger> wrong
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> irt to the bluetooth bug, assume makes an ass out of u and me
[15:15] <rgreening> ~facts about assume
[15:15] <kubotu> [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me'
[15:16] <ScottK> That works for more than just tech support.
[15:16] <rgreening> true ScottK
[15:31]  * smarter thinks that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Kubuntu needs update :)
[15:34] <Riddell> that should be replaced with a pointer to the launchpad team
[15:35] <emma> Hello everyone. Is there anyone here who is a Kubuntu Motu?
[15:36] <emma> There is a bug in the firefox package for kubuntu. I was hoping someone talented here could help by making a Kfirefox package for Kubuntu users.
[15:37] <smarter> what would this package be for?
[15:37] <emma> It would be for installing Firefox if you are using Kubuntu.
[15:37] <smarter> and we don't make any firefox package, the mozilla team do them
[15:37] <smarter> and what's wrong with the standard ubuntu firefox package?
[15:37] <emma> smarter: did the Mozilla team set up the package so that it would install GNOME deps on Kubuntu?
[15:38] <smarter> if it does, that's a bug
[15:38] <smarter> what gnome deps does it install for you?
[15:38] <emma> smarter: Yes that's a bug. That's why I was hoping someone talented here could make a Kfirefox package so that people using Kubuntu could install firefox without all the GNOME deps
[15:39] <jussi01> smarter: try apt-get installing it - because of the new reccomends install it takes loads of gnome deps
[15:41] <Riddell> that's is a long standing grumble of various people, nothing new
[15:41] <Riddell> maybe the qt firefox port will be usable in jaunty (suspect not though)
[15:41] <smarter> emma: no need for a "kfirefox", the firefox package needs to be fixed, that's all
[15:42] <smarter> emma: removing ubufox should be enough to get rid of all the gnome deps
[15:42] <emma> smarter: A great many of them.
[15:42] <smarter> the problem seem to be that apt-url use gnome libs
[15:43] <jussi01> oh horrible
[15:43] <smarter> we should make a kde version of apt-url, or someone should reimplement apt-url using only gtk libs
[15:43] <emma> smarter: well when I use sudo aptitude -R install firefox (in order to not install recommended packages by default) (Or sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends), I end up with strange errors when firefox is run in terminal involving libbonoboui2-0 .. GTK warnings about files missing.
[15:44] <emma> doing that does prevent me from getting ubufox which is a start. But does not seem to be a total fix.
[15:44] <smarter> does the warning cause any problem?
[15:44] <smarter> *causes
[15:44] <emma> It hurts me psychologically.
[15:44] <smarter> :p
[15:44] <emma> I don't know if it causes any real problems.
[15:45] <emma> But to know it's going on back there.... every time you move to a different page..
[15:45] <smarter> ask the ubuntu mozilla guys
[15:45] <emma> here is a pastebin of errors I get ...
[15:45] <smarter> we can't really do anything
[15:45] <emma> http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d78bd090
[15:45] <emma> Those are errors I get running firefox in terminal after requesting that no recommended packages were installed.
[15:47] <smarter> according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo_(component_model) bonobo is a deprecated library for gnome, to integrate stuff(like the KDE Kparts)
[15:47] <smarter> so ignoring these warnings should be fine, but I'm not a firefox expert so I can't say for sure
[15:47] <emma> yeah trying to install libbonobo2-0 just introduces more GNOME libs.
[15:47] <emma> firefox should be DE agnostic though shouldn't it?
[15:48] <emma> Kubuntu users should be able to use Firefox, I think. It's the best browser.
[15:50] <smarter> if it works without bonobo, then there's no problem
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> without bonobo gtk-qt-engine won't work
[15:54] <emma> installing bonobo will install the following GNOME dependencies on Kubuntu -- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d50876a08
[15:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you bother to reply to the e-mail from "Paul Beckett"?
[15:58] <emma> I'm very naive about these things, but as I see it, you all are very talented. You could make another package (say Kfirefox or another name) so that Kubuntu users could sudo aptitude install Kfirefox and get firefox that works nicely on Kubuntu :)
[15:58] <emma> See what I'm saying?
[15:59] <Riddell> that wouldn't be accepted, firefox is hard enough to maintain one copy of
[16:00] <Riddell> better just to fix the problem if it annoys people
[16:00] <jussi01> Riddell: Ill put a +1 on the annoyance list ;)
[16:03] <lex79> Riddell: I have an issue with kmix, look this please:
[16:03] <lex79> http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=83247696de0.png
[16:04] <lex79> no volume control and in system settings -> sounds crash without log
[16:04] <lex79> but sounds works
[16:05] <lex79> is a know bug?
[16:08]  * Riddell in meetnig
[16:47] <Riddell> lex79: I've not seen anything like that
[16:49] <vvinet> Riddell: I found more information on the 30s slow kde4 boot
[16:49] <vvinet> it is a deadlock occuring in khotkeys_update, that has been since fixed in kde trunk
[16:49]  * apachelogger is awfully tired
[16:50] <vvinet> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160892#c63
[16:50] <vvinet> I will try to apply the relevant patches
[16:50] <vvinet> and see if it goes better
[16:57]  * jussi01 has a lovely freeze on coldboot here, hasnt yet figured out whats causing it..
[17:06] <apachelogger> I am baking a trunk kmail
[17:07] <apachelogger> last time I did this it nuked my local cache and settings
[17:07] <jussi01> lol
[17:07]  * jussi01 wishes apachelogger luck
[17:07]  * apachelogger thanks jussi01
[17:11] <apachelogger> jtechidna: the bluetooth bug should have been reported upstream regardless of done communication
[17:20] <Riddell> vvinet: good hunting, let me know if it helps
[17:37] <apachelogger> omg
[17:37] <apachelogger> that new kmail
[17:37] <apachelogger> is UBERFANCY
[17:43] <apachelogger> ohh, it crashed and now the settings are gone
[17:43] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:44] <lex79> IoI
[17:46]  * JontheEchidna wonders when KDE 4.1.73 is to be released
[17:47] <apachelogger> techbase will know
[17:47] <Riddell> when dirk feels like it usually :)
[17:49] <lex79> apachelogger: can you explain me this error?
[17:49] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70594/
[17:49] <lex79> it is my mistake?
[17:50] <apachelogger> I have a direct link to google, I can answer anything
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: that merging made a lot of stuff unusable
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: libplasma-dev really needs to depend on kdelibs5-dev
[17:51] <apachelogger> lex79: you can add a build-dep for kdelibs5-dev for now, but that is really an issue with libplasma-dev IMHO
[17:52] <lex79> uhm
[17:53] <lex79> also libphon-dev
[17:54] <apachelogger> I thought we fixed that?
[17:55] <apachelogger> although
[17:55] <apachelogger> nah doesn't seem so
[17:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: is there a reason libphonon-dev didn't get readd as dep of kdelibs5-dev?
[17:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's an issue with dh_sameversiondeps
[17:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's a new version arriving when kdesdk compiles, hopefully shortly
[17:57] <Riddell> then we can rebuild whatever needs those depends fixed and they ought to pick them up
[17:59] <apachelogger> ah, good
[17:59] <apachelogger> Riddell++
[18:01]  * Riddell goes canoeing
[18:01] <jjesse> have fun canoeing
[18:02] <apachelogger> hm
[18:03] <apachelogger> and who does koffice 2 beta3 meanwhile? :PÜ
[18:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not that I know.  I didn't drop it I don't think.
[18:13] <lex79> what is plasma-abi-4.1-1 ? is not there in repository?
[18:15] <apachelogger> ~wp application binary interface
[18:15] <kubotu> Results for application binary interface: 1. Application binary interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface | 2. Embedded Application Binary Interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Application_Binary_Interface | 3. Wikipedia: http://en.mobile.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=binary+compatible&PHPSESSID=784d0f226969efc643af3216891030ec
[18:15] <kubotu> [1] In computer software, an application binary interface (ABI) describes the low-level interface between an application program and the operating system, or the interface between an application and its libraries, or that between component parts of an application. An ABI is similar to an application programming interface (API); however, the latter defines a source code interface.[1] Simply put, ABIs enable binary compatibilit...
[18:16] <apachelogger> lex79: why would it be in the repository?
[18:18] <lex79> because I build plasmoid-runcommand http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Run+Command?content=91495
[18:18] <lex79> and ...
[18:18] <apachelogger> lex79: simply put: the ABI is part of libplasma
[18:18] <apachelogger> and it can not not be there
[18:18] <lex79> ah
[18:19] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70604/
[18:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:21] <lex79> ?
[18:21] <lex79> :)
[18:21] <apachelogger> lex79: might be related to the same issue that causes libphonon and stuff not to be detected properly
[18:21] <apachelogger> though
[18:21] <apachelogger> lex79: did you build that package in a jaunty pbuilder?
[18:21] <lex79> ya ya
[18:22]  * JontheEchidna is getting a bad feeling in the bottom of his pbuilder
[18:22] <apachelogger> it could be that that abi package is a virtual package introduced in jaunty
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> Debian introduced some abi control stuffs in their packages
[18:22] <apachelogger> yeah, makes sense
[18:22] <lex79> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/plasma-abi-4.1-1
[18:22] <apachelogger> lex79: you will have to build in an intrepid pbuilder if you want to install it
[18:23] <lex79> I installed from source :)
[18:23] <lex79> I want put in revu :)
[18:23] <apachelogger> well
[18:23] <apachelogger> lex79: you can't install the jaunty package in intrepid
[18:24] <apachelogger> jaunty holds that plasma-abi virtual package to ensure abi gets tracked properly
[18:24] <apachelogger> intrepid does not even know about it
[18:24] <apachelogger> so either you get a jaunty VM, or install in a jaunty chroot or break the dependency
[18:24] <apachelogger> or you could upgrade to jaunty, but that would be insanity... as ScottK put it ;-)
[18:25] <lex79> You don't understand :)
[18:25] <lex79> I have Jaunty
[18:25] <lex79> I upgraded LoL
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[18:25] <stdin> why in heavens name would you upgrade?
[18:26]  * JontheEchidna never upgrades until alpha2 at least
[18:27] <lex79> my jaunty is in a test partition :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> well, even that is too much :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> anywho
[18:27] <apachelogger> does anyone have a kdebase-workspace packaging at hand?
[18:27] <apachelogger> maybe we don't have the virtual package?
[18:27] <stdin> most of jaunty is still building
[18:28] <apachelogger> actually
[18:28] <apachelogger> lex79: that all seems pretty weird
[18:28] <lex79> weird? what?
[18:28] <apachelogger> shlibdeps wouldn't be able to detect the dep on that abi package unless it (or rather libplasma2, which provides that virtual package) is available
[18:29] <lex79> uhm ya
[18:29] <apachelogger> lex79: run a dist-upgrade
[18:29] <apachelogger> you probably have an old libplasma2
[18:29] <lex79> I check it
[18:30] <lex79> 4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[18:30] <lex79> is there a new version?
[18:30] <apachelogger> eh??????
[18:30] <apachelogger> lex79: you didn't upgrade to jaunty
[18:30] <apachelogger> ~intrepid1 is the package from intrepid-backports
[18:30] <lex79> eh yes.. but I do dist-upgrade yesterday LoL
[18:31] <apachelogger> well, dist-upgrade != complete distribution upgrade ;-)
[18:31] <lex79> uh :(
[18:31] <apachelogger> lex79: just run your dsc through an intrepid pbuilder and you'll get a deb that is installable
[18:32] <stdin> debian has libplasma2 "Provides: ${plasma:abi-provides}"
[18:32] <apachelogger> stdin: jaunty probably as well
[18:32] <apachelogger> of course that doesn't help when one is using intrepid ;-)
[18:32] <lex79> and apachelogger can I put this package in revu?
[18:32] <apachelogger> lex79: the jaunty one
[18:32] <lex79> ok
[18:32]  * apachelogger is all confusing today
[18:33] <lex79> embarassing for my dist-upgrade
[18:33] <lex79> :D LoL
[18:33] <lex79> me too confusing ahahah
[18:33] <stdin> yeah, jaunty does
[18:33] <apachelogger> my workstation is running jaunty :P
[18:33] <apachelogger> "running"
[18:33]  * apachelogger fears upgrading
[18:34] <lex79> so my workstaion running janna jameson LoL
[18:34] <lex79> *jamson
[18:34] <stdin> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/libplasma2/4:4.1.2-1ubuntu4 told me
[18:37] <stdin> someone really needs to remove some tags from bugs.lp.net 99% of the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ is the tags list
[18:38] <apachelogger> one does not go to /ubuntu anyway :P
[18:39] <stdin> !bugs
[18:40] <stdin> everyone who sees ^ that does :p
[18:41] <ScottK> Tags are sufficiently overused that they are, IMO, largely useless.
[18:41] <jjesse> i have never looked up a bug by a tag, and dont ever use them
[18:41] <jjesse> do many people who triag them use tags?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> there are some use cases, but those tags probably make up <1% of all tags that are there
[18:43]  * JontheEchidna faceplams when people add the package name as a tag
[18:43] <stdin> I've only really seen apport-* and verification-* used
[18:44] <stdin> and by "used", I mean used for something other than random tagging
[18:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I can reproduce the thinking
[18:44] <apachelogger> malone should just be able to handle binary packages more precisely
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> yes, we shouldn't have to subscribe to all of jockey to get reports about jockey-kde
[19:15] <smarter> I'm updating my kde4-style-bespin package
[19:15] <smarter> and there's a kwin style in the svn now
[19:15] <smarter> should I name the binary package kwin4-style-bespin or kwin-style-bespin?
[19:15] <smarter> and should I renamed kde4-style-bespin to kde-style-bespin?
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> as long as kde3 and kde4 styles are co-installable I think the names should be separate
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> imo
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> not that you can really configure kde3 themes...
[19:16] <smarter> maybe we should drop them
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> sounds like a plan
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so ktorrent from debian build-deps on libboost1.35-dev. This conflicts with kdepimlibs-dev which depends on libboost-dev (boost 1.34)
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking kdepimlibs should be updated to build-dep on libboost1.35-dev and the dependency should not be added to ktorrent in the merge?
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, sebner impressed me
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> now I have to clean that mess up :P
[19:27] <smarter> hmm, the package also contains a KDM theme
[19:27] <smarter> but there is no previous kdm theme packaged on Ubuntu(except kde-kdm-themes)
[19:27] <smarter> how should I name it? :)
[19:28] <smarter> kdm-theme-bespin?
[19:29] <smarter> or kde-style-bespin for consistency with kde-style-foo and kwin-style-foo?
[19:29] <smarter> s/or kde-style-bespin/or kdm-style-bespin/
[19:31] <smarter> or even kdm4-style-bespin
[19:35] <lex79> apachelogger: I have this header license in all file
[19:35] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70646/
[19:36] <lex79> in /debian/copyright I put Karthik Paithankar to upstream author
[19:36] <lex79> and in copyright both authors? is right?
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I helped him a bit, but yes all in all a pretty good review
[20:11] <apachelogger> smarter: consult with debian I'd say
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually I already changed it to kde :P
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> I guess it's also sort of weird because you're doing a review of a review
[20:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, he isn't motu so reviewing the review seems natural to me ;-)
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do you think rpath issues are what's cauing the neon incompatibilities I saw earlier on in the Intrepid cycle?
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what incompability?
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, if you had kde-neon installed you couldn't run qt apps
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> complained about incompatible Qt libs
[21:03] <apachelogger> no, that was a Qt caching issue
[21:04] <apachelogger> amarok-nightly-qt now uses a different version identification which should prevent such things
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> nice
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe I should reinstall kde-nightly some time then
[21:09] <vorian> is there a global proxy setting in kubuntu that will work for adept?
[21:09] <vorian> and hai
[21:11] <Riddell> vorian: no, adept uses the apt proxy setting, really freedesktop needs to find one way to do proxy config
[21:11] <Riddell> hi ^seelenn^
[21:12] <vorian> okie
[21:14] <Riddell> grr, kdesdk still hasn't built
[21:15] <^seelenn^> Hi Riddell
[21:16]  * ^seelenn^ steps out of lurking mode
[21:16] <Riddell> ooh, ^seelenn^ lives!
[21:16] <^seelenn^> I was in the process of being given a coffee so wasn't looking at my screen
[21:17] <Riddell> nobody to give me a coffee tonight, and the shop ran out of Irn Bru
[21:17]  * Nightrose hands Riddell a virtual coffee
[21:17] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: are you using intrepid?
[21:17]  * Arby sends Riddell Irn-Bru over IP
[21:18] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:18] <^seelenn^> Riddell: Yes I am
[21:19] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: what's your opinion on KDE 4?
[21:20] <^seelenn^> It gives me what I need and it's oh so very shiny!
[21:20] <Riddell> yay, I was reading over https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback, not a single positive comment
[21:20] <seele> heh
[21:20] <Riddell> although those pages are always pretty negative, people with something to complain about tend to use them more than people who are happy
[21:21]  * Riddell wonders if seele gets a highlight whenever someone talks to ^seelenn^
[21:22] <Arby> heh, that would be unfortunate
[21:22] <Nightrose> most of the feedback i got was very positive
[21:22] <Nightrose> except for the occasional wining - but those are people who are never pleased anyway
[21:22] <Nightrose> +h
[21:22] <seele> Riddell: irssi no, konversation yes
[21:23] <seele> so it makes using konversation a little annoying
[21:23] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: so, fancy becoming an elite Kubuntu contributor? :)
[21:23] <^seelenn^> What can I help out with then guys, webstuff related
[21:24] <^seelenn^> Yeah, why not, sounds like a giggle! :)
[21:25] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: do you know how to use Drupal?
[21:25] <seele> whoa
[21:26] <seele> ScottK: do you know Dan Chen?
[21:26] <^seelenn^> Yes, I'm at this very moment installing 6.6 to play around with
[21:26] <crimsun> seele: Scott and I had lunch when I first moved to the DC metro area.
[21:26] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: I had a complaint today (well ages ago but I only read the e-mail today) about the "free download" box on kubuntu.org having only a small area being a link
[21:27] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: do you think you'd know how to change it so the whole box is clickable?
[21:27]  * ^seelenn^ opens kubuntu.org and takes a look
[21:28] <seele> crimsun: lol i just sent you an email!
[21:28] <seele> crimsun: i'm in Rockville
[21:28] <seele> crimsun: do you live in Baltimore or somewhere near?
[21:30] <crimsun> seele: College Park, but I spend most of my non-work time in DC
[21:30] <seele> crimsun: oh nice.. so you are real close.  are you going to UMD?
[21:30] <crimsun> seele: no, just work in the metro area
[21:31] <Riddell> UMD?
[21:31] <crimsun> Riddell: university of maryland (college park)
[21:31] <seele> crimsun: who are you working for?
[21:31] <crimsun> seele: Dept. of Defense
[21:31] <seele> crimsun: fed or contractor?
[21:31] <crimsun> the former
[21:32] <seele> ooh, scary :)
[21:32] <crimsun> or not.  I mess with computers; nothing scary there.
[21:33] <seele> that's cool though, it's always nice to find more Ubunteros in DC
[21:33] <seele> DC/Baltimore seems to be a petri dish for Kubuntu contributors ;)
[21:34] <crimsun> maco and I were geared up to hit Cleveland Park, so we were disappointed when the UI session was cancelled
[21:34] <crimsun> we had a couple not-so-savvy-KDE-users in tow
[21:34]  * JontheEchidna wants to note that he grew up in the suburbs surrounding the DC area
[21:35]  * JontheEchidna is a proud part of the petri dish too :P
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> must be the water
[21:35] <Riddell> I'm all jelous, no other Kubuntu developers in this city
[21:36] <seele> crimsun: UGH!  you should have put your name on the wiki or sent a message on the mailing list
[21:36] <Riddell> although, rocking hogmanay party due at my flat end of next month, poke Arby, ^seelenn^, anyone else in Britain
[21:37] <seele> crimsun: it didn't look like anyone was going to show up
[21:37] <Arby> that's not an impossible idea
[21:37]  * ^seelenn^ says the same as Arby :)
[21:39] <crimsun> seele: yeah, we should have e-mailed; we weren't sure whether it was for complete novices, for non-savvy-KDE-users (but PC-proficient), or ...
[21:39] <Riddell> Arby, ^seelenn^: groovy, sign up to kde-gb list I'll send out an e-mail at some point http://lists.quaker.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-gb
[21:40] <seele> crimsun: it was pretty much for any type of user, but it was GNOME not KDE.  The DC LoCo is Ubuntu-centric so that was the only way I could get interest
[21:40] <Riddell> various other KDE types should be there http://lists.quaker.eu.org/pipermail/kde-gb/2008-October/thread.html
[21:40]  * seele wishes it was for KDE.. oh well
[21:41] <Nightrose> seele: why not revive it with crimsun and whoever he will bring with him and do KDE stuff instead?
[21:41] <Nightrose> if noone is interested in gnome...
[21:41] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:42]  * Arby signs up
[21:43] <crimsun> seele: might have better coverage w/ CALUG, MALUG, NoVALUG, and DCLUG all as recipients of an e-mail
[21:43] <seele> Nightrose: i don't have a lab to do it in
[21:43] <Nightrose> ah :(
[21:43] <Arby> back to converting system-config-printer-kde to PyKDE
[21:44] <seele> crimsun: i've heard the UMBC student LUG is pretty active and interested in ways to contribute, so i might look in to that next spring
[21:44] <seele> the UMD LUG too but I don't know anyone there anymore
[21:44] <Arby> anybody know the PyKDE equivalent to QMessageBox.critical ?
[21:44] <crimsun> seele: right, please keep maco and I posted
[21:44] <seele> crimsun: will do
[21:45] <foma53421> äîáðîé íî÷è âñåì
[21:45] <seele> crimsun: if youre in to social events.. you should also watch out for DC linux chix meetings (coed).  we always meet at a pirate bar in silver spring :)
[21:46] <Riddell> Arby: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKMessageBox.html#0362367a7c9a1c7d41b72a8cc398072b ?
[21:46] <crimsun> seele: I went to one recently (but not the most recent lunch)
[21:46] <crimsun> seele: err, I think the one I attended was in VA
[21:46] <nixternal> oi, driving to michigan takes way to long...just do give a presentation on kubuntu and kde4
[21:46] <crimsun> nixternal: whatev
[21:46] <nixternal> hush you sound dude
[21:47] <seele> nixternal: get with the program and do it remotely.. i'm speaking "at" the Spokane LUG meeting next week via netmeeting of some sort
[21:47] <foma53421> íàðîä à òóò ðóñêîãîâîðÿùèå åñòü :) ????
[21:48] <nixternal> seele: that rocks!
[21:48] <Arby> Riddell: ah, error or detailedError seem to be the answer thanks
[21:48] <seele> crimsun: have you met Katie Bechtold?  she runs DC linux chix and goes to a lot of hack DC stuff
[21:48] <nixternal> damn, why didn't I think of that
[21:49] <nixternal> heh
[21:50] <crimsun> seele: I have  (IIRC she has the punk cases, and such)
[21:50] <Riddell> sometimes I'm glad I don't have a utf8 irc client
[21:51] <crimsun> pink?  I meant pink
[21:57] <seele> hmm.. wasn't there supposed to be a kubuntu meeting sometime soon?
[21:57] <nixternal> Riddell: I would have booted him, but I don't have the powah it seems...thought I did
[21:58] <nixternal> Riddell: anything you think I should add to a kubuntu/kde presentation tonight?
[21:58] <nixternal> I have all of the basics covered
[21:59] <Nightrose> seele: probably tuesday
[22:00] <Nightrose> seele: apachelogger was waiting for your input on doodle.ch
[22:00] <Riddell> nixternal: say what a rocking community we have!
[22:00] <nixternal> Riddell: check
[22:01] <seele> Nightrose: what doodle?
[22:01] <nixternal> should I pop jcastro in the head while I am at it?
[22:01] <Nightrose> seele: sec
[22:01] <Riddell> nixternal: don't you have laws against that sort of thing?  or is that going to be another Obama change?
[22:01] <Nightrose> seele: http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=tvt9bb3fvtbqda8v
[22:01] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[22:02] <seele> hmm.. well that is useful
[22:02] <Riddell> nixternal: say that intrepid is intended to be intrepid and people who want to stay with what they know should stick with hardy
[22:03] <nixternal> Riddell: roger that
[22:03] <seele> Riddell: are you going to say that to future jaunty users too?
[22:04] <nixternal> "future jaunty whiners" :)
[22:04] <Riddell> seele: naw, Jaunty will be stable as a rock
[22:05] <nixternal> a big rock I hope :)
[22:05] <yuriy> as a Hardy rock?
[22:05] <Riddell> Ularu Rock
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> volcanic rock :P
[22:11] <nixternal> acid rock!
[22:11] <nixternal> hahaha
[22:17] <^seelenn^> Riddell: I've made it so the whole of the images are links
[22:17] <^seelenn^> is this problem solved, or did you want the whole download blue box to be a link?
[22:17] <seele> no don't do that
[22:18] <seele> ^seelenn^: link the text "Download" too
[22:18] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: seele's the boss
[22:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: the family tree spam thing? No.
[22:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: you think it was spam?
[22:18] <^seelenn^> okay seele, working on it now
[22:19] <seele> ^seelenn^: thanks
[22:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: do I know an Adrian Rea?
[22:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: dunno, I was thinking he googled it and came to a kubuntu page, not worth a reply anyway
[22:20] <^seelenn^> seele: Done
[22:20] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: seems to be quite a large gap at the top, any idea what's causing that?
[22:21] <^seelenn^> It was there before, css most likely, I'll have a poke around to fix it
[22:22] <Riddell> it's definately more now that it was before
[22:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: got any other website fixes needing done?  ^seelenn^ is ready to help out
[22:23] <seele> ^seelenn^: check the margins on <h1>
[22:24] <ryanakca> woah. download box needs fixing... ummm... if (he/she) has a drupal install, they could help me test the screenshot plugin... or could help me get the wiki theme's color palette done.
[22:24]  * ryanakca looks on his todo list
[22:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: I suppose we'll leave the masthead as it is for a bit longer?
[22:25] <^seelenn^> hi ryanakca
[22:26] <^seelenn^> I'm working on the download box now
[22:26] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: you could also look for same awesome reviews of Intrepid and update the /reviews page
[22:27]  * ^seelenn^ adds to to do list
[22:37] <Riddell> ~twitter went to parliament and handed out white poppies
[22:37] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[22:37] <Riddell> aww
[22:37] <Riddell> ~twitter update went to parliament and handed out white poppies
[22:37] <kubotu> status updated
[22:37] <Riddell> groovy
[22:39] <ryanakca> White? Hmmm... red over here :)
[22:41] <nixternal> Riddell: how come you aren't following me on twitter? you hurt my feelings :(
[22:42] <Riddell> I don't think I'm following anyone on twitter
[22:42] <nixternal> you are following aseigo and 2 others
[22:42] <nixternal> I see how you are :P
[22:42] <Nightrose> yea...
[22:42] <nixternal> hehe
[22:42] <Riddell> well I had to test how it worked
[22:42] <Riddell> nixternal: but aren't you on planetkde?
[22:42] <nixternal> yes I am
[22:42] <Nightrose> he isn't following people like us nixternal :(
[22:42] <ryanakca> Hmmm... anybody have a copy of svn2bzr.py ? The bzr branch for it seems to be disappeared...
[22:43] <ryanakca> s/disappeared/empty/g
[22:43] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't see your twitter feed in the config
[22:43] <nixternal> nice thing about bzr, you can roll back and get it unempty :P
[22:43] <nixternal> Riddell: it is there..I set it up a few weeks ago...more towards the bottom of the config
[22:43] <Riddell> ryanakca: apt-get install bzr-svn ?
[22:44] <nixternal> I see my feed on pk.o
[22:44] <Riddell> nixternal: so it is, so there you go, I do follow you
[22:44] <nixternal> lol
[22:44] <nixternal> feel the love :)
[22:44] <nixternal> less than a month to go until we do Kubuntu Hackfest at UDS!!!
[22:44]  * nixternal is stoked
[22:46] <Riddell> get pumped!
[22:46] <ryanakca> nixternal: ah, fixed it... I kept on getting ``bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/ryan/bzr/trunk/.bzr/checkout/".'' :)
[22:47] <^seelenn^> seele: Riddell
[22:48] <^seelenn^> fixed it
[22:48] <ryanakca> I do hope I can convince my principal to let me miss my last period so that I can listen in / hopefully participate in the UDS with Ekiga
[22:49]  * Riddell high fives ^seelenn^
[22:51] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: yay :)
[22:55] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: Can you tell me what version of Drupal the site uses and how I can set up a test install of it
[22:56] <^seelenn^> and give me an idea of what I can do in regards to the screenshot plugin
[22:56] <Arby> Riddell: I've converted most of the s-c-p-kde widgets to PyKDE now
[22:57] <Arby> is there a way to display the error boxes without actually triggering the error
[22:57] <Arby> so I can test them
[23:00] <Riddell> Arby: just put the code somewhere that it'll run on startup like the __init__() method
[23:00] <Arby> ok
[23:00] <Arby> Riddell: I'll mail you the patch when I'm done to review at your leisure
[23:00] <Riddell> great
[23:01] <Arby> make sure I haven't added any crack :)
[23:01] <Riddell> your svn account application seems to be in progress
[23:01] <ScottK> seele: It's as crimsun says.
[23:01] <Arby> great
[23:01]  * ScottK was napping.
[23:01]  * ScottK is old and all that.
[23:02] <Riddell> ScottK: claim you're Spanish and call it a siesta
[23:02] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:03] <ScottK> Actually it's because I only got 5 hours sleep last night and I was beat.
[23:09] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: here, you can help me test it on my testsite, give me a few


[01:34] <nalioth> where is floodbot1 ?
[01:34] <jrib> nalioth: he quit a few minutes ago
[01:35] <jrib> 19:44 <-- FloodBot1 (n=floodbot@ubuntu/bot/floodbot) has quit (Remote closed
[01:35] <jrib>           the connection)
[01:35] <jrib> so almost an hour ago
[05:04] <nickrud> !permissions
[05:05] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud any of your servers overheating this week..  I had to tear down and rebuild three with massive fans and artic silver
[05:06] <nickrud> servers, what would I want with servers? (oh, work, it's in an airconditioned closet)
[05:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Ah..  no closet a/c at these offices...
[05:08] <Jack_Sparrow> NOw running at 30c
[05:13] <dragon> lol
[05:16] <nickrud> !permissions
[05:26] <bazhang> dragon, how may we help
[07:39]  * Myrtti gathers everyone around and gives each a big hug
[09:23] <Myrtti> I wish I had cherry ice cream
[09:25] <Myrtti> and caramel sauce
[09:57] <Seveas> LjL, awake?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Seveas!
[09:57] <Seveas> ssst
[09:58]  * Seveas is here on business today :)
[09:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:10]  * elky pounces and clings
[10:11] <elky> what business?
[10:14] <elky> Seveas, ljl is as absent as you these days. you'll need to email him.
[10:37]  * ompaul pokes SWAT in the elbow with a small plastic spoon
[10:37] <ompaul> hi there
[10:41]  * ompaul shoots krdc in the foot
[11:15] <SWAT> ompaul: spoon!
[11:15] <SWAT> tastes just like chicken
[11:15] <ompaul> usually
[11:16]  * ompaul shoots krdc again just for line 77 failures
[11:16] <ompaul> :)
[11:17]  * ompaul surrenders to "line has too much data you need to visit server"
[11:18] <jpds> morning
[11:18] <ompaul> jpds: for values of morning almost gone morning ;-)
[11:19] <SWAT> good afternoon, rather
[11:19]  * ompaul sings one of these xterms is not like the other - one of these xterms just doesn't belong
[11:19] <SWAT> local time: 12:24
[11:19] <ompaul> SWAT: -1 hour here
[11:20] <ompaul> here comes another xterm
[11:20] <SWAT> gnome-terminal + terminator = extremely nice (the new terminator should also have tabs). That combined with screen = confusion
[11:21] <ompaul> need to fire off single process and it is buggy
[11:23]  * jpds wonders what's wrong with his .irssi/config: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9516/screenshotcu0.png
[11:25] <SWAT> depends on what _you_ find wrong with it
[11:25] <ompaul> SWAT: clever answer of the day award :P
[11:26] <jpds> SWAT: the way itÂ¡s aligned to the right
[11:27] <SWAT> ompaul: thank you, thank you. I've seen people use configs which I find horrible, but as long as the person which it belongs to, can work with it... Who am I to judge?
[11:28] <ompaul> SWAT: you are most welcome - for judge purposes you should never forget you can judge on your own criteria .....
[11:28] <ompaul> you are afterall SWATMAN
[11:28]  * ompaul runs
[11:28]  * ompaul stops before he starts laughing too loud
[11:30]  * SWAT hits ompaul in the head with his spandex coated ninja star
[11:33]  * ompaul assumes the recovery position
[11:33] <ompaul> there are no other assumptions
[11:34]  * ompaul wants to write a modern day marx brothers script with treenaks and swat that should be enough to scrare people
[11:36] <elky> roflawl! http://www.sshkeygen.com/
[11:37] <jpds> no keysize 4096? I feel ripped off..
[11:38] <ikonia> worst scam I've seen in ages
[11:38] <ompaul> elky: I repremand you for not pointing this out before you found it - nice idea mr badguy
[11:38] <Myrtti> elky: your slip is showing
[11:39] <elky> now even more so ;)
[11:40] <Tm_T> plop
[11:40] <elky> eh?
[11:40] <ompaul> elky: it is nice skam I wonder can we have fun with them
[11:40]  * Myrtti huggles Tm_T
[11:40] <elky> heh
[11:40]  * Tm_T cuddles Myrtti
[11:41] <elky> im still not sure why i got reprimanded
[11:42] <Tm_T> elky: because you didn't hug me?
[11:42] <SWAT> ompaul: ooeeh, it is 'the position' all over again ;)
[11:43] <ompaul> elky: for just laughing at it and not saying look at this for a skam
[11:43] <elky> ompaul, see mr watson's blog
[11:43] <ompaul> SWAT: assume the position in front of your duck soup
[11:43] <ompaul> elky: give me url please too lazy to look it yo
[11:44] <ompaul> up
[11:44]  * ompaul is does not track blogs usually
[11:44] <elky> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2008-06-23-ssh-keygen.html
[11:45] <ompaul> elky: then putting his url in the message would have been better :)   it is horrific as he says
[11:46] <ompaul> elky: in fact I find that words fail me -- and it is not often that happens
[11:46] <elky> hehe
[11:46] <SWAT> "keep your private keys private", sounds familiar doesn't it?
[11:46] <elky> i thought my manical lawl was enough
[11:47] <ompaul> elky: na - if someone was reading logs and started there
[11:47] <ompaul> or stopped reading this
[11:47] <elky> ;)
[11:47] <Tm_T> SWAT: "keep your private keys lost too good" is best I think
[11:47]  * elky really must remember to <sarcasm>$text</sarcasm>
[11:48] <ompaul> elky: as colin says it looks like a very honest mistake
[11:49] <ompaul> the guy is making money from the adverts
[11:49] <ompaul> follow the money :-)
[11:52] <bazhang> :)
[11:57] <jpds> there fixed. whoo
[12:07] <bazhang> wow.
[12:10] <jpds_> rock on?
[12:11] <Myrtti> Aren't we having FUN!
[12:11] <Myrtti> and the crowd goes WIIILLLDDD
[12:11] <elky> nalioth, when you finish syncing, wanna check why gasten got klined on reentry?
[12:11] <elky> or pricey or tomaw
[12:11] <bazhang> haha
[12:12] <elky> that was so a hub going
[12:12] <jpds_> damn.
[12:13] <wgrant> That kill message was rather descriptive.
[12:13] <bazhang> o.0
[12:14] <jpds_> who fell asleep on the power button?
[12:14] <bazhang> haha
[12:15] <jpds_> cake!
[12:18] <jpds> there we go.
[12:18] <Tm_T> jpds: oh btw new nick, haven't seen that much before
[12:19] <jpds> hi Tm_T
[12:27] <jpds> damn it, loads of networks are failing..
[12:28] <bazhang> oh no.
[12:37] <Myrtti> ohnoes!
[12:37] <Myrtti> "why don't you use MSN then"
[12:39] <ikonia> guy in the office suggests one of the backbone links in the states has been cut
[12:40] <elky> makes sense
[12:40] <ikonia> thats the message he has rom his usa counterpart
[12:42] <ikonia> from
[12:49] <Pici> http://www.internethealthreport.com/ does look unhealthy
[12:50] <ikonia> I think I'm seeing a pattern in that chart ;)
[12:58]  * Myrtti takes her Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ and looks around her
[12:59] <Myrtti> *POIT* Pici
[13:02] <Pici> plonk!
[13:13]  * Mez slaps Dave2
[13:16] <bazhang>  max is now known as Guest20512
[13:16] <bazhang> he never learns :)
[13:16] <Dave2> ow
[13:17] <Dave2> slapped whilst showering :(
[13:26] <Mez> Dave2, you enjoyed it
[13:27]  * Myrtti grins
[13:29] <Dave2> :o
[13:31]  * Myrtti slaps both
[13:34] <Dave2> two slaps in one day!
[13:38] <SWAT> Myrtti: MSN, excuse me? ICQ then
[13:39] <Myrtti> SWAT: <#include irony.c>
[14:06] <Myrtti> hm, Dave2 left.
[14:06] <Myrtti> damn.
[14:06] <Myrtti> no more slapping then
[14:06] <Myrtti> I need a punch bag.
[14:06] <Pici> Hes still here...
[14:06] <Myrtti> preferably pink.
[14:06] <jussi01> hei all!
[14:06] <Myrtti> oh, right
[14:06]  * jussi01 is not pink, thank god
[14:08] <Myrtti> so it appears I need to drink another pot of coffee
[14:09]  * Myrtti curses aloud
[14:09] <Myrtti> damned C#
[14:09] <Pici> I'd be cursing C# too
[14:09] <TheSheep> Myrtti: at least it's not dangerous for your guinea pigs :)
[14:11] <Myrtti> I'm getting dangerous to myself soon
[14:12] <Myrtti> ask jussi01 how high my bloodpressure soars these days
[14:12] <Pici> Maybe you shouldnt be having another pot of coffee then.
[14:12] <Myrtti> he's the unfortunate fellow who has been calling me at the totally wrong time when this POS fails
[14:12] <Pici> I think its time to cut you off...
[14:13] <Myrtti> Pici: my mom was here for Midsummers
[14:13] <Myrtti> Pici: she snores >__<
[14:13] <TheSheep> that's cruel
[14:13] <Myrtti> TheSheep: C#, the phonecalls or my mom
[14:14] <Myrtti> or cutting off from coffee
[14:15] <TheSheep> Myrtti: the latter
[14:15] <TheSheep> right to drink coffee is one of the basic human rights
[14:16] <Myrtti> I can stop my coffee drinking any time
[14:16] <Myrtti> that wouldn't be cruelty
[14:16] <Myrtti> this C# thing is.
[14:17] <Dave2> Myrtti, lies
[14:18] <Dave2> And I should stop responding before reading full scrollback. *continues drinking his tea*
[14:18]  * Pici is getting annoyed with the ____ is now known as Guest#####, Guest is now known as _____ cycle
[14:21] <bazhang> he has been doing that for ages, Pici
[14:21] <bazhang> max
[14:21] <Pici> Well, max was just removed.
[14:21] <bazhang> hehe
[14:22] <bazhang> to the *max*
[16:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: ping
[16:13] <Myrtti> jussi01: pong
[17:08] <soldats> can someone check out the user "eeeee" in the main channel please
[17:08] <soldats> ahh
[17:18] <Myrtti> who was that person installing ppc xubuntu again...?
[17:18] <Myrtti> stp25-2-82-234-235-184.fbx.proxad.net ?
[17:19] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[17:21] <Gary> someone might want to sort out eeeee ( #Ubuntu )
[17:22] <jussi01> againb?
[17:22] <Myrtti> I'll be happy to do the honors
[17:22] <Gary> I muted it
[17:24] <Gary> might want to alter it to a ban and then remove my mute?  if you feel it is apt
[18:58]  * Pici finds it funny when people are asked what their native language is and it turns out to be english
[18:59] <jpds> Pici: so... what's thy native tongue again?
[19:00] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:01]  * Pici waves at Myrtti
[19:01] <Seeker`> lo
[19:08] <jussi01> arghh
[19:09] <jussi01> Myrtti: do ytou know how to make those galleries put the pictures next to each other, not in a column? (see site)
[19:10] <ompaul> jpds, in all peoples cases the one in their mouth ???
[19:10] <jpds> ompaul: Precisely!
[19:10]  * ompaul gets his "I make bad jokes" tee and wears it
[19:11]  * jussi01 give ompaul the crap "dad" jokes t-shirt
[19:11]  * Myrtti curses and goes to check her burning bbq
[19:11] <ompaul> don't burn the bbq, don't even light the coals ....
[19:11] <Myrtti> ompaul: electric grill
[19:11] <ompaul> all the more reason not to
[19:12]  * jussi01 goes to steal it - /me wants
[19:12] <Myrtti> you want my grill?
[19:12] <Myrtti> I was certain I had broken it just few minutes ago
[19:13] <Myrtti> turned out the safety switch wasn't pressed down correctly
[19:13] <Myrtti> I was about to cry
[19:14] <Myrtti> my marinated zucchinis have mold, have to toss them
[19:14] <Tm_T> hrrr
[19:15] <Myrtti> and I've booked first part of my summer holiday wrong
[19:15] <Pici> :(
[19:16] <Myrtti> starts on Thursday, ends on Monday - but my flights back from LRL arrive Monday - Tuesday night midnight
[19:16] <Myrtti> and it takes three more hours to get home from the airport
[19:19] <Pici> Whats LRL?
[19:19] <Myrtti> http://lugradio.org/live/UK2008/
[19:20] <Pici> Thats far
[19:20] <jussi01> Myrtti: I beleive there is a bus that connects with the flight ;)
[19:20] <Myrtti> jussi01: it still doesn't remove the problem that I've got a normal working day on Tuesday
[19:21] <jussi01> Myrtti: LOL
[19:21] <Myrtti> yes yes, I know
[19:21] <Myrtti> "you work from home, nobody cares"
[19:21] <Myrtti> I CARE!
[19:21] <jussi01> hehe
[19:22] <jussi01> Myrtti: so do you know how to fix my gallery?
[19:22]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[19:22] <Pici> Would you be asleep by the time you get back to your place anyway?
[19:22] <Myrtti> Pici: very much so
[19:22] <Myrtti> I just love commuting half dead
[19:23] <Myrtti> middle of the night
[19:23] <Myrtti> when local transport doesn't run
[19:23] <Myrtti> jussi01: erm.
[19:29] <captjackswallows> y was i redirected here
[19:35] <ompaul> captjackswallows, I guess even without looking at any logs your nick might be the start of an issue
[19:36] <ompaul> as in it appears to me that you might be directing abuse at someone
[19:39] <captjackswallows> Captain jack swallows came from epic movie
[19:40] <ompaul> well here is a clue you should arrive here as the person who was banned
[19:40] <captjackswallows> IDK i use so many different names
[19:41] <ompaul> try brian_griffin methinks that was the one _this_ time
[19:41] <captjackswallows> W/e I dont care i was just saying linux sucks and all that
[19:42] <ompaul> who paid you to do that?
[19:42] <captjackswallows> no one
[19:42] <ompaul> then why did you bother?
[19:42] <captjackswallows> i was bored
[19:43] <ompaul> so then you had no intention of participating in a help channel whatsoever
[19:43] <captjackswallows> ubuntu-offtopic
[19:43] <ompaul> in fact your goal was to troll
[19:43] <captjackswallows> I wasnt even trying to troll
[19:43] <ompaul> you were doing one of the better impressions of one I have seen
[19:44] <ompaul> so I wasn't even trying to troll, does that indicate that you you do try now and again, and you know what level of annoyance you wish to turn on at any time?
[19:44] <captjackswallows> ur boring me
[19:45] <ompaul> !guidelines
[20:39] <RedLXXXIV> hi all
[20:40] <Myrtti> hello
[20:40] <Myrtti> how can we help you today
[20:40] <RedLXXXIV> I was banned from the #ubuntu channel, and wanted to get back on it - the issue is as follows
[20:41] <RedLXXXIV> My brother was using my computer a few nights ago.  I went to log into the #ubuntu channel, only to be denied and a message stating that I was banned.
[20:41] <ikonia> is this conner again ?
[20:42] <RedLXXXIV> Me?
[20:44] <nalioth> ah yes, another brother
[20:45] <RedLXXXIV> I came to be helped, not ridiculed.
[20:45] <Myrtti> sorry but we've had lots of cases where the supposed brother has been messing around with the computer and gotten the unsuspecting sibling banned
[20:46] <ikonia> I don't see anyone ridiculing anyone ?
[20:49] <RedLXXXIV> Sorry it took so long, I was on the phone
[20:50] <RedLXXXIV> I don't understand where exactly we stand on the issue.
[20:53] <RedLXXXIV> brb, rebooting.
[20:56] <jpds> RedLXXXIV: Ubuntu does come with passwords and lock screen functions to stop "brothers" from doing bad things.
[20:59] <RedLXXXIV> yes, and I've taken off my auto login. I'm 23 years old and in the military - I'm not a kid. My goal on these channels is not to cause problems, it's to help solve them. I just got off the phone with him (the day it happened, he was visiting), and he says that he was using MSN, and typed into the wrong window.
[21:00] <jpds> You'll have to wait for ompaul to come round, he set the ban.
[21:01] <RedLXXXIV> Alright.
[21:01] <jpds> Ah useful short hand is: Ctrl-Alt-L to lock the screen.
[21:02] <RedLXXXIV> Learn something new every day! I've only been using Ubuntu for a few months now - Hate Vista.
[21:03] <ikonia> you dont have to "hate" vista
[21:04] <jussi01> ikonia: nice to see you in the world of "K" again ;)
[21:04] <RedLXXXIV> I know I don't <have> to, I just do. Sure, it's new and improved XP, but it's got far too many drawbacks for it to be useful in this tinkerer's books. Not only that, but I love breaking things to see how they work, then make them better. Thus is the reason I came to Linux.
[21:07] <ikonia> jussi01: just passing after someone gave #u a smart lesson in why ubuntu should make everything better
[21:15] <jussi01> :)
[21:22] <ompaul> hi
[21:22] <LjL> my server isn't keeping up with the 32 degrees outside and it's crashing, so i'll turn it off during the night and when it's not being used. that will affect floodbot1 and my other bots. sorry
[21:23] <ompaul> LjL, np would you like a box here to run stuff on?
[21:23] <ompaul> I'll do a fresh install
[21:23]  * ikonia offers ljl a box
[21:24] <nalioth> do your boxen have good uptime?
[21:24] <ikonia> yup
[21:24] <ompaul> ikonia, has best boxen
[21:24] <ompaul> RedLXXXIV, ?
[21:24] <ikonia> ompaul: not sure on that ;)
[21:24] <ompaul> when was it set?
[21:25] <ompaul> ikonia, you have better than me that much I know
[21:25] <ikonia> ha ha
[21:25] <RedLXXXIV> yes ompaul?
[21:25] <ompaul> did I ban you?
[21:25] <RedLXXXIV> yep, apparently
[21:26] <RedLXXXIV> I wasn't around when the ban went down
[21:26] <ompaul> why not?
[21:26] <ompaul> your account looked very active?
[21:26] <RedLXXXIV> my brother was using msn on my laptop
[21:26] <ompaul> he was using IRC on freenode
[21:27] <ompaul> is that what your telling me?
[21:27] <RedLXXXIV> hm. I know I left xchat running in the background.
[21:27] <ompaul> you should check your logs
[21:27] <ompaul> he was rather vulgar in a ubuntu channel
[21:28] <RedLXXXIV> I have no idea where to find the log... :S
[21:28] <ompaul>  .xchat2/xchatlogs/
[21:28] <ompaul> if youi are logging
[21:29] <RedLXXXIV> nope, just a bunch of .confs and my downloads :(
[21:29] <ompaul> then you are not logging
[21:29] <RedLXXXIV> is the log online?
[21:29] <ompaul> there would be one
[21:29] <ompaul> time based it was
[21:29] <jussi01> !logs
[21:29] <ompaul> 2008-06-17T20:47
[21:29] <RedLXXXIV> tks
[21:29] <ompaul> I think those clocks match each other
[21:30] <ompaul> anyway you have a screensaver
[21:30] <ompaul> you have the chance to use multiple accounts on the same machine
[21:30] <ompaul> you can switch user
[21:30] <ompaul> never trust anyone with your command line you never know when your bank details will be useful to someone else
[21:31] <ompaul> RedLXXXIV, can you do me a favour print these out and hand them to your brother
[21:31] <ompaul> !guidelines
[21:31] <ompaul> !coc
[21:32] <ompaul> annoying other internet users is not a mature thing to do and really it impresses no one - that was a public information broadcast on behalf of ompaul
[21:32] <ompaul> :)
[21:32] <RedLXXXIV> I see the comment at [18:46]
[21:32] <ompaul> so the clocks are different
[21:33] <ompaul> you have screen savers use them
[21:33] <RedLXXXIV> that was online.
[21:33] <ompaul> yeap
[21:33] <ompaul> well depends on where the clock for your logs is synced with
[21:33] <RedLXXXIV> will do. I'll be the only one on this now, and my auto login is off now
[21:33] <ompaul> ok - so the ban is lifted
[21:33] <RedLXXXIV> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/17/%23ubuntu.txt
[21:34] <RedLXXXIV> Tks ompaul
[21:34] <RedLXXXIV> and sorry for the problem
[21:34] <RedLXXXIV> Won't happen again
[21:35] <ompaul> ok
[21:35] <jussi01> RedLXXXIV: we appreciate your co-operation :)
[21:35] <RedLXXXIV> Never a problem :)
[21:35] <ompaul> makes it a useful channel
[21:35] <ompaul> have fun
[21:35] <RedLXXXIV> will do
[21:36] <ompaul> ikonia, ping
[21:37] <ikonia> pong
[21:37] <ompaul> has jack_sparrow been around today?
[21:37] <ikonia> not seen him
[21:37] <ompaul> ikonia, you busy this evening?
[21:37] <ikonia> on and off
[21:37] <ikonia> just having a 20 minute break
[21:37] <ompaul> in work?
[21:38] <ikonia> not "in" work
[21:38] <ompaul> ahh
[21:38] <ikonia> but working, restoring a 12 node cluster
[21:38] <ompaul> lovely
[21:38] <ikonia> waiting for a disk to sort it's self out
[21:38] <ikonia> hence the break
[21:38] <ompaul> slowly spins the disk you wait on
[21:38] <ikonia> thats not too far from the truth
[21:38] <ikonia> it' retro kit that some guy has picked up and moved with out any hought
[21:38] <ikonia> thought
[21:38] <jussi01> ompaul: according to my logs jack was last around at about 7am my time
[21:39] <ompaul> jussi01, ok so that would be before I was awake :)
[21:39] <jussi01> yep
[21:39] <jussi01> ompaul: but ive a few hours missing from 2-4pm
[21:40] <nalioth> aw man, not again
[21:40] <jussi01> so he "may" have been here
[21:40]  * nalioth looks at floodbot4
[21:40]  * jussi01 hugs nalioth
[21:41] <nalioth> y'all let me know when another floodbot is needed
[21:47]  * Myrtti sighs
[21:49] <ompaul> np
[21:49] <nalioth> maybe ljl and I can get our floodbots on a cronjob
[22:25]  * jussi01 is off to bed. night all
[22:26] <Myrtti> nightey jussi01
[22:26] <ompaul> night jussi01
[22:26] <jussi01> nite :)
[22:26]  * ompaul thinks that sleeping is a good idea
[22:26]  * ompaul looks at the clock and thinks about how far away 0:630 is
[22:26] <ompaul> or
[22:26]  * ompaul looks at the clock and thinks about how far away 06:30 is
[22:35] <ompaul> nalioth, PriceChild <aHTu4aJlrap> please join in #Forbbiden <<< repeated that
[22:39] <nickrud> ah, thanks ompaul (at work, so got interrupted)
[22:50] <tonyyarusso> w/in 7
[22:51] <Myrtti> l/ose ;-)
[22:51] <nalioth> security through misspelling
[22:52] <nickrud> heh. don't get around my coworkers, they can mis spell anything
[22:53]  * ompaul installs sleep night all