[00:01] <person> no, I didn't
[00:06] <person> so, does that mean my laptop is doomed?
[00:08] <person> ?
[00:14] <JackyAlcine> Yeah, person. I was looking for solutions.
[00:14] <JackyAlcine> =/
[00:17] <holstein> not the laptop
[00:17] <holstein> just the optical drive :)
[00:20] <JackyAlcine> yeah, you could leave it and buy an external one or replace the internal drive.
[02:19] <Cheri703> I can't remember how to submit a bug, can someone point me to the guide or give me the quick version?
[02:19] <jledbetter> Cheri703, You mean via launchpad?
[02:20] <Cheri703> probably? I have a program that is having buggy issues
[02:20]  * Cheri703 probably should have paid more attention in our class ;D
[02:20] <jledbetter> Could tr--lol
[02:20] <jledbetter> Could try searching on launchpad for it to see if it's been reported already. Specially since you know the app
[02:20] <Cheri703> looked, not seeing it :(
[02:21] <jledbetter> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[02:21] <Cheri703> awesome thanks~
[02:21] <jledbetter> Ah. Lucky (or maybe not). Each bug I found I found it already submitted. And I fought the urge to "me too" like a good person :D
[02:21] <Cheri703> !
[02:21] <Cheri703> heh
[02:21] <jledbetter> Welcome :)
[02:25] <Cheri703> if it's not an official ubuntu version? newer version, do I go punch it in on sourceforge or?
[02:25] <jledbetter> Great question. Not sure then. If it's a nightly build or such, maybe.
[02:26] <JackyAlcine> Punch it in, Cheri703, as a development bug..
[02:30] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[02:31] <JackyAlcine> Speaking of which, Cheri703 and IAmNotThatGuy, you guys should install Mumble; we'll be using it in ##speechcontrol for more voice accessible meetings.
[02:32] <IAmNotThatGuy> JackyAlcine, you should have told me yesterday before I went to sleep :P . Okies I ll install by tonight =]
[02:32] <JackyAlcine> lol, no problem; it's a quick install, practically voice IRC.
[02:32] <IAmNotThatGuy> ah okies
[06:53] <Red_> anyone here?
[06:54] <Cheri703> !question
[06:54] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[06:54] <Cheri703> what can we help with?
[06:55] <Red_> will my compaq presario cq62 work with Linux?
[06:55] <JackyAlcine> Do you know the specs?
[06:55] <Red_> http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02207161&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=101&prodSeriesId=4149939&prodTypeId=321957 heres the spcs
[06:56] <JackyAlcine> Yes, Red_
[06:56] <JackyAlcine> And it'll run smoothly as well.
[06:56] <Red_> YAY! thanks!
[06:56] <JackyAlcine> Is your computer a factory model or is there anything you've tweaked?
[06:56] <Cheri703> Red_: you can always do the "try before installing" and play with it
[06:56] <Red_> wait, even with just two GB of RAM?
[06:56] <Red_> no its factory.
[06:57] <holstein> it'll love 2gb of ram :)
[06:57] <aveilleux> Red_: Ubuntu will run fine on 315 MB. I do so on one of my ancient Compaq laptops.
[06:57] <JoeMaverickSett> Red_: well, my Dell runs on 2GB of RAM. :)
[06:57] <Red_> and i'm putting ubuntu on a huge external hdd btw.
[06:57] <aveilleux> Red_: Ubuntu is much less memory-hungry than The Redmond System.
[06:57] <JackyAlcine> I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 on a 320 GB external HDD
[06:57] <holstein> Red_: try it live
[06:58] <holstein> read about GRUB
[06:58] <Cheri703> I have 10.10 running on a dell notebook with a 1.7ghz processor and 512 ram
[06:58] <JackyAlcine> and BURG!
[06:58] <holstein> AH, i just heard about burg
[06:58] <Red_> i dont have access to a live disk.
[06:58] <Red_> sorry. you can tell im new.
[06:59] <Cheri703> Red_: what are you using to install?
[06:59] <Red_> um........ i thought you just DLd it to an external drive an then installed it?
[06:59] <JackyAlcine> A live disk is practically a frozen copy of Ubuntu or any casper-capable CD.
[06:59] <JackyAlcine> No, Red_.
[07:00] <JackyAlcine> You'll need either a CD or USB key to install Ubuntu.
[07:00] <Red_> oh crap...... im in deeper than i thought............'
[07:00] <Red_> oh i think i know of one....
[07:00] <JackyAlcine> Take a look at the Ubuntu download page.
[07:01] <Cheri703> Red_: it's as easy as burning any other cd, and still pretty darn easy to make the usb
[07:01] <Red_> ok i found it.
[07:03] <Red_> i guess ill just use the universal installer the DL page has.
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> UNetbootin?
[07:05] <Red_> this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[07:05] <JackyAlcine> That works.
[07:06] <Red_> so should i go with the external HD or a CD?
[07:06] <JackyAlcine> CD.
[07:06] <Red_> faster?
[07:07] <JackyAlcine> Not necessarily, you won't be able to install Ubuntu to the HDD if it's loaded OFF OF the HDD.
[07:07] <JackyAlcine> Where are you trying to install the system itself to? Not the download. The computer or the external drive?
[07:08] <Red_> I guess if rather put it on the external because it hads more memory, but the internal has plenty, so it would work.
[07:09] <JackyAlcine> Lol, well, regardless, you should install the Installation Media to a disc, for easy storage.
[07:09] <JackyAlcine> and just in case something happens to go astray.
[07:11] <Red_> ok so download it to the disk then, and then pick what i want to install it to. acually, i think I'll go with internal. i dont want to be dangling a spining HD on a cable while im in school.
[07:12] <Red_> oh, and 32 or 64 bit?
[07:12] <Red_> i haven't upgraded RAM or anything.
[07:12] <JackyAlcine> Hold on.
[07:12] <aveilleux> Red_: 64-bit would work on your system.
[07:13] <JackyAlcine> Yeah, aveilleux got to it before me.
[07:13]  * JackyAlcine throws a fit.
[07:13] <hobgoblin> throw a spanner - more fun that way
[07:13]  * aveilleux calms JackyAlcine down D:
[07:13] <Red_> i know but is one still better than the other? ive seen a lot of conflicting threads.
[07:14] <aveilleux> Red_: FAPP, no. 64-bit is the way to go if you plan on upgrading your RAM past 4GB, though. It can't really hurt, unless you do some royal hacking.
[07:14] <JackyAlcine> It's not a matter of one being better; it's just that running 10.10 x86 (32-bit) on a 64-bit doesn't work, or at least, that happened to me.
[07:14] <aveilleux> er
[07:14] <aveilleux> For All Practical Purposes
[07:15] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: That shouldn't happen; x86_64 and AMD64 have 32-bit compatibility modes.
[07:15] <M0hi> Hola hobgoblin o/
[07:15] <Red_> well i dont plan on upgrading anytime soon. but ill still go with 64 bit.
[07:15] <hobgoblin> 32 on a 64 bit worked/works fine for me here
[07:15] <hobgoblin> hi M0hi
[07:16] <JackyAlcine> Perhaps it's because I installed it on a 32-bit system onto an external drive and then plugged it into a 64-bit system?
[07:16]  * JackyAlcine 'that's what i did'
[07:16] <hobgoblin> Red_: not sure if it's been mentioned - but you 'might' have issues getting flash to work on 64 bit - I gave up and went back to 32bit
[07:16] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: That still shouldn't break it, unless /proc didn't update properly
[07:16] <M0hi> hobgoblin, I am not well today :"{ cold and fever. cant even talk =[
[07:16] <hobgoblin> M0hi: then cya later ...
[07:16] <aveilleux> hobgoblin, Red_: I didn't, actually. Running it on a Macbook 3,1, Ubuntu 10.10 x64
[07:17] <yofel> hobgoblin, Red_: flash works fine here on 64bit, it's much better now than it was in the past
[07:17] <M0hi> hobgoblin, o/ cya soon
[07:17] <Red_> sweet. i think i know what ive got to do then. thanks!
[07:18] <hobgoblin> aveilleux: yofel - not saying it doesn't work - not working for me though :) - always best to let people know there could be issues - we all know nothing is perfect
[07:18] <JackyAlcine> except for ubuntu, hobgoblin!
[07:18] <yofel> JackyAlcine: not really
[07:18] <yofel> hobgoblin: agreed
[07:18] <hobgoblin> JackyAlcine: oh dear a zealot :(  ... :)
[07:19] <JackyAlcine> lol :D
[07:19] <Red_> well ill try it tommoeoq and let you know how it goes.
[07:19] <hobgoblin> good luck then Red_
[07:20] <JackyAlcine> Good luck, Red_
[07:20] <Red_> thanks. need to get some sleep. what time is it where you are?
[07:20] <hobgoblin> JackyAlcine: so on your perfect ubuntu does alsamixer work all the way down to 0 - mine cuts all sound at approximately 28%
[07:21] <JackyAlcine> Not sure; haven't ever dropped it below 45%
[07:21] <JackyAlcine> But I use pulseaudio..
[07:21] <hobgoblin> there is a bug somewhere and like all good ubuntu lp bug's I suspect it's being ignored lol - but my /auncghpad search fu is poor
[07:22] <hobgoblin> so do I - try and drop volume low and see if it cuts out - please - I am serious
[07:23]  * JackyAlcine shakes his head in disgust.
[07:23] <JackyAlcine> I never noticed that..
[07:23] <hobgoblin> you too then
[07:23] <JackyAlcine> You think it might be a range misconfiguration?
[07:24] <hobgoblin> and now for the laugh - it works in windows ...
[07:24] <hobgoblin> he he he he
[07:24] <hobgoblin> no idea - but it gets annoying when I'm trying not to wake the little one up
[07:25] <Red_> cya latter. if i see you guys again ill let you know how it goes, but as im not online at 2 A.M like....ever, that probably wont be soon.
[07:25] <JackyAlcine> Kkay, Red_
[07:25] <JackyAlcine> Good luck :D
[07:26] <Red_> thx.
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> C++ is fun.
[07:31] <hobgoblin> I'm not learning that to fix sound ...
[07:32] <JackyAlcine> lol
[07:33] <hobgoblin> If I ever find the bug again I'll let you know :) of course I might just report it as a bug and let someone else find the duplicate :D
[07:41] <JackyAlcine> lol right?
[07:41] <JackyAlcine> but I think there's an easy patch; I know people who work in the community staff; I'll mention this to them.
[07:43] <hobgoblin> get them to make launchpad searching easier ;)
[07:44] <JackyAlcine> The update to launchpad should have brought that about?
[07:44] <JackyAlcine> Launchpad's incredibly huge...
[07:46] <hobgoblin> I know - perhaps they should just delete all the bugs they are ignoring forever
[07:46] <hobgoblin> anyway - I'm just going to report it I think
[07:54] <hobgoblin> JackyAlcine: if you want to 'me too' the bug it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/695605
[07:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 695605 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "No sound when volume reduced to about 20% (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:55] <hobgoblin> only thing I found was a thread on the mint forum - I'll be adding the bug there once I have an account there
[07:57] <JackyAlcine> thanks ubot2
[08:01]  * hobgoblin annoys linux mint forum with the bug too
[08:27] <hobgoblin> o/
[08:27] <JackyAlcine> o/
[08:28]  * hobgoblin pokes nit-wit to see if he's a bear
[08:29] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, i'm hibernating
[08:31] <hobgoblin> nit-wit: so would I ... I got your PM and ping on here as I was shutting down for the day :(
[08:31] <hobgoblin> the other day that was
[08:32] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, sorry to bother you with that I'm sure they got it together
[08:32] <hobgoblin> not a bother - if I Was here I'd have had a head start :)
[08:34] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, i think its time to crash here.:)
[08:34] <hobgoblin> I suspect so ... night time over the pond - I know because the cafe is quiet :D
[08:35] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, is the cafe infested with the UK users .;)
[08:35] <hobgoblin> usually it goes failry quiet during my day :)
[08:37] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, not that there is anything wrong with that. I click on stuff if the header is appealing but mainly just lurk the main board.
[08:37] <hobgoblin> I tend to put in a bit of a shift in there then leave it well alone
[08:40] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, it seems to be running smooth altogether really, with the staff and all, large user base and faster response and fixes in many areas then you can get from vendors. Lots of stuff the computer vendors wouldn't touch .
[08:41] <hobgoblin> I find that it cycles - we are midway between releases - it all slows down then speeds up again twice a year
[08:41] <Lehel> hi
[08:42] <Lehel> could someone help me i'm new to ubuntu and i made some mistake
[08:42] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, that makes sense,
[08:43] <nit-wit> see you all soon :)
[08:44] <hobgoblin> !ask | Lehel
[08:44] <ubot2> Lehel: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[08:45] <Lehel> iduall booted ubuntu 10.10 alongside with, xp, and it worked fine
[08:47] <Lehel> i wanted to partition in xp ith partition magic and found some error  "Init failed:  i clicked to fix it, and now when i en ter in ubuntu the gpartition says that the whole disk is unallocated
[08:48] <Lehel> so now under ubuntu cannot access any of my net devices (wireless or wired)
[08:49] <Lehel> the problem is that the gpartition or device manager sees that the whole disk is unallocated and cannot acces the net
[08:49] <Lehel> currently i'm on my xp
[09:02] <hobgoblin> I suspect that you fixed the partition table in XP, not something I've looked at - try using testdisk http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery#Testdisk
[09:04] <Lehel> thanks hobgoblin, will try it
[09:05] <hobgoblin> be very careful whatever you do
[09:05] <Lehel> and yes i messed up with partition magic under xp
[09:06] <Lehel> under xp everything is there, the problem is under ubuntu cause it doesn't recognize correctly the disk
[09:13] <yofel> Lehel: that's your primary HDD?
[09:14] <Lehel> 1 HDD with 3 partitions
[09:15] <Lehel> and xp boots just fines, every data is there, only ubuntu recognize it as the whole hard is unallocated
[09:15] <hobgoblin> is this a reall dual boot or wubi
[09:15] <Lehel> real boot
[09:16] <yofel> Lehel: can you pastebint what 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' gives you?
[09:16] <Lehel> the problem started when i tried to re partition under xp with partition magic
[09:17] <Lehel> ok will need to log off and enter the ubuntu, currently i'm on xp
[09:26] <lehel> Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>96 bytes
[09:26] <lehel> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
[09:27] <lehel> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:27] <lehel> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[09:27] <lehel> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[09:27] <lehel> Disk identifier: 0xf5544826
[09:27] <lehel>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:27] <lehel> /dev/sda1   *           1        3823    30708216    7  HPFS/NTFS
[09:27] <lehel> /dev/sda2            5098       19457   115346669+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[09:27] <lehel> /dev/sda3            3823        5097    10234964+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[09:27] <lehel> /dev/sda5            5098       17037    95908018+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[09:27] <lehel> /dev/sda6           17037       19351    18587648   83  Linux
[09:27] <lehel> /dev/sda7           19351       19458      855040   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[09:27] <yofel> !pastebin
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[09:28] <yofel> lehel: then it's a problem on the gparted side though, since the system recognizes the disk fine as you see
[09:29] <lehel> yofel: ok will try to make a screenshot
[09:35] <lehel> http://imagebin.org/130198
[09:36] <lehel> yofel: after i entered the ubuntu safe mode, and clicked on recover now my enternet devices are working, the wireless as well
[09:37] <lehel> the only problem is that it recognize as unallocated and  cannot merge the 10 GB partition into the 90GB
[09:39] <yofel> I fear I'm out of ideas here..
[09:40] <lehel> http://imagebin.org/130201
[09:40] <lehel> yofel also the disk utility shows me that is unallocated
[09:42] <lehel> i left the 10 GB partition before installing Ubuntu, I hoped it will put there, but it didn't so now i dunno what to do with that 10GB, also under xp with Partition magic cannot merge it, it just hang out without doing anything
[09:43] <yofel> hm, I wonder if it's confused by the weird partition sequence: sda1 | sda3 | sda2 | sda5 | sda6 | sda7, I wonder if partition magic caused that
[09:44] <lehel> most likely partition magic caused that, cause before  recognized it
[09:45] <hobgoblin> I'd say sda2 and sda7 - sda2 is the extended - ends on 19457 - sda7 is swap - starts inside extended - ends outide it
[09:46] <yofel> hobgoblin: yeah, but why did it reorder sda2 and sda3? (look at the cylinder values)
[09:48] <hobgoblin> mines like that
[09:48] <lehel> on sda1 is the xp, on sda2 is nothing i hoped it will be the linux, and the sd3 is the extended, sd5 my data, sd6 ubunt and sd7 swap
[09:48] <lehel> i have no idea about the values
[09:54] <lehel> thanks for your time, i appreciate it
[09:54] <lehel> what would you recommend me?
[09:59] <hobgoblin> not looking like there's anyone here that can help you fix the partition table at the moment - hang about, try #ubuntu - though I suspect as soon as you mention partition magic you'll get moaned at or post on the forums
[09:59] <hobgoblin> lehel: ^^
[10:00] <lehel> partition magic cannot handle the ext4 type, and with linux i'm just getting used too
[10:01] <lehel> will try later, thanx again
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[13:34] <sogepp> somebody here?
[13:45] <M0hi> sogepp, yes
[13:45] <sogepp> sigh, i thought i'm the only one here
[13:46] <M0hi> We all are here =]
[14:24] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[14:50] <^AndreA^> Hi everybody
[14:51] <^AndreA^> I'm setting up a new laptop with Ubuntu but, unfortunately, the audio is not working out of the box.
[14:51] <^AndreA^> On the HP site they say my sound/audio system is: "Altec Lansing speakers".
[14:51] <^AndreA^> Anyone has dealt with it before and can give me a clue on what needs to be done?
[14:51] <^AndreA^> The funny thing (for me) is that from the headphones I can hear the sound properly but from the speakers there is no sound at all...
[14:54] <JoeMaverickSett> ^AndreA^: did you check on the Panel (click it) > Sound Preferences > Output tab > and check if your Connector is choosen as Analog Microphone or Speaker?
[14:57] <^AndreA^> there are two possibilities for the output  audio tab:
[14:57] <^AndreA^> 1) internal audio analog stereo
[14:58] <^AndreA^> 2) manhattan HDMI Audio
[14:58] <M0hi> you sure that the sound is not muted?
[14:58] <^AndreA^> I am
[14:58] <^AndreA^> unfortunately I am...
[14:58] <JoeMaverickSett> ^AndreA^: choose Internal?
[14:58] <^AndreA^> that's the selected one... no luck
[14:58] <JoeMaverickSett> how about the connector option?
[14:59] <JoeMaverickSett> if there is one, in output tab.
[15:00] <^AndreA^> oh, ok... I was looking for it... there isn't...
[15:01] <JoeMaverickSett> ^AndreA^: could you also check the Hardware tab?
[15:02] <JoeMaverickSett> try altering the hardware and profile, under hardware tab.
[15:02] <^AndreA^> in the hardware tab there are two options:
[15:03] <^AndreA^> 1) internal audio
[15:03] <^AndreA^> 2) Manhattan HDMI etc....
[15:03] <^AndreA^> internal is selected...
[15:03] <^AndreA^> also, the profile can be:
[15:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> ^AndreA^, you updated your machine once?
[15:04] <^AndreA^> off, analog stereo input, analog stereo output, analog stereo duplex... (duplex is selected)
[15:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> system-> Administration -> update manager
[15:04] <^AndreA^> it's all up to date...
[15:10] <^AndreA^> it's all quite frustrating!
[15:10] <^AndreA^> btw guys, thanks for your help...
[15:10] <JoeMaverickSett> ^AndreA^: hold on, i'll give you a link.
[15:10] <JoeMaverickSett> for sound troubleshooting.
[15:10] <^AndreA^> i was already trouble shooting the sound on the ubuntu site...
[15:11] <JoeMaverickSett> ^AndreA^: is it this one? --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[15:11] <^AndreA^> yes
[15:11] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, okie.
[15:12] <^AndreA^> I run the ALSA information script and got 2k lines of info...
[15:12] <^AndreA^> LOL
[15:13] <^AndreA^> if anyone is able to read it properly would be very helpful...
[15:14] <^AndreA^> the only thing strange for me is that the driver version is: 1.0.21 while the library/utilities version is 1.0.22...
[15:15] <^AndreA^> not sure if that matters though...
[16:25] <Red___> Hello. can you download Ubuntu to a DVD+R disk?
[16:25] <hobgoblin> you can burn it that indeed
[16:26] <Red___> oh hey you're still  on! thanks.
[16:26] <Red___> I'm hoping to get it at least downloaded today. maybe even get my HD partitioned.
[16:29] <Red___> why am i on a London, England sever? I'm in Florida!
[16:37] <hobgoblin> goodluck then Red___
[16:48] <shahan> Hello ALL :)
[16:49] <JackyAlcine> Morning, shahan
[16:49] <shahan> JackyAlcine: night there :)
[16:49] <Red___> is there a good aritcle on how to partition the HD for a dual boot of windowss7 and Unbuntu?
[16:49] <JackyAlcine> Yup; on the Ubuntu help site; let me get that link for you.
[16:49] <JackyAlcine> Wait.
[16:50] <JackyAlcine> Did you already install Windows or is Ubuntu your first operating system?
[16:50] <Red___> thanks. that site is awesome but its freakin huge
[16:50] <shahan> I am facing a serius problem there for getting connecion on my MAVERICK http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10296952#post10296952
[16:50] <Red___> yes, windows came on it.
[16:51] <JackyAlcine> So, you installed Ubuntu second, I understand, Red___
[16:52] <Red___> i haven't even started installin git though. im hoping to at least create the disk today.
[16:53] <JackyAlcine> Oh, okay, well, when you do, you'll need to download a few more packages that will allow you to multiboot with Windows and Ubuntu with ease.
[16:53] <JackyAlcine> And shahan, from your post, your DNS servers look irregular..
[16:54] <Red___> hey i gtg. ill be back on in in maybe an hour though.
[16:54] <shahan> JackyAlcine: I dont know... but my internet is doing good on Windows XP
[16:54] <hobgoblin> shahan - start another new thread on the forum - even if it is yours I'm closing it now.
[16:54] <shahan> hobgoblin: why?
[16:54] <JackyAlcine> Yeah, hobgoblin'll get it noticed that way, shahan.
[16:54] <JackyAlcine> Like people notice the more recent threads.
[16:54] <shahan> hobgoblin: ok
[16:55] <shahan> I am opening a new thread
[16:55] <JackyAlcine> Have you tried running a LiveCD/LiveUSB, shahan?
[16:55]  * JackyAlcine shakes his head and says, "Instead of doing homework, he's helping Ubuntueers"
[16:57] <shahan> JackyAlcine: ya
[16:57] <JackyAlcine> Were you able to connect in the live system?
[17:01] <shahan> hobgoblin: are you going to open a new thread?
[17:32] <Red___> hey.
[17:34] <Red___> so how many disks do i need to put ubuntu on? im usig dvd+r disks.
[17:41] <Red___> oh and what are the extra packages i need to put on the disk to allow dual boot?
[17:42] <ShootEmUp> there are none
[17:42] <Red___> i hate conflicting arguments...
[17:42] <JackyAlcine> Lol, Red___ you could have used a CD for it, the normal desktop install is 693 MB.
[17:42] <ShootEmUp> I'm dual booting, and I did not need extra packages
[17:43] <Red___> oh ok i thought you said i would need some others.
[17:43] <JackyAlcine> GRUB doesn't come standard with Ubuntu, ShootEmUp.
[17:43] <ShootEmUp> nope, just the install CD
[17:43] <ShootEmUp> grub2 comes with it
[17:43] <Red___> ok im going to go grab a blank disk now.
[17:44] <ShootEmUp> JackyAlcine, grub comes with it, without grub ubuntu can't boot
[17:45] <JackyAlcine> ShootEmUp: it installs GRUB onto your system, but not the configuration packages. If Ubuntu is installed AFTER Windows, a bit more reconfiguration will be required.
[17:45] <ShootEmUp> Installing Ubuntu AFTER windows is the easyist way to do it
[17:46] <ShootEmUp> grub will automaticly find windows
[17:47] <Red___> and grub is what allows it to dual boot?
[17:47] <ShootEmUp> if using 9.10 or sooner, its grub2 witch will find windows automaticly
[17:47] <ShootEmUp> Red___ yes
[17:47] <Red___> ok awesome. brb.
[17:48] <ShootEmUp> that was qwick
[17:48] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, end of life for 9.10 is in april 2011
[17:49] <Red___> i opened the log in screen in a nother window and entered the log in info before i closed the last one.
[17:49] <ShootEmUp> I know, I was saying if using anything newer than 9.10 the bootloader is grub2
[17:50] <Red___> ok so if i follow this to the letter, will i be ok? http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[17:50] <ShootEmUp> let me look
[17:50] <ShootEmUp> yes you will be
[17:51] <Red___> ok thanks. starting it now.
[17:51] <ShootEmUp> just do the side by side install, ubuntu already knows how to work with windows
[17:51] <ShootEmUp> DO NOT clear your entire disk
[17:52] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, I don't think there is a side by side that is trustworthy in 10.10
[17:52] <ShootEmUp> yes there is
[17:53] <Red___> ok. how come the "show me how" thing doesn't mention windows 7?
[17:53] <ShootEmUp> do not question me, I dual boot Ubuntu 10.10 and Vista. I know what I'm doing
[17:53] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, I think it is but new users are overwriting their windows
[17:54] <ShootEmUp> Red___, just follow the steps for vista
[17:54] <Red___> ok got it.
[17:54] <yofel> Red___: will still work, I dual boot maverick and win7 here, works fine
[17:54] <ShootEmUp> thank you
[17:54] <ShootEmUp> I needed someone to back me up
[17:55] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, I fix the mistakes everyday that are caused by borked side by sides. A person needs to resize the Windows first make sure it is working then install
[17:55] <JackyAlcine> I actually am running Windows 7 and Maverick as well.
[17:56] <Red___> this is the burn software i need? http://infrarecorder.org/?page_id=5
[17:56] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, shut up please, It's fine, I've done it
[17:56] <ShootEmUp> Red___ any burner will do, ever windows 7 built in one
[17:56] <ShootEmUp> *even
[17:57] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, first that is improper etiquette to say that, you are the only person in the world who dual boots
[17:57] <Red___> sorry for all the questions. this is my first foray into more advanced stuff and i dont want to brick my pc.
[17:57] <ShootEmUp> It's not your fault
[17:57] <Red___> oh so i dont need it, i can just use the winows 7 one?
[17:57] <ShootEmUp> yup
[17:57] <yofel> nit-wit: as a matter of fact, 2 other persons (including me) have said they dual boot...
[17:57] <nit-wit> Red___, be very careful this is some advice that is haphazard
[17:57] <Red___> what?
[17:57] <ShootEmUp> Red___, iginore nit-wit
[17:58] <Red___> ok. i figured i probably should.
[17:58] <ShootEmUp> Red___, do you have a windows 7 install or recovery disk?
[17:58] <nit-wit> yofel, yes I have W7 maverick linux mint 10 and Natty on one HD
[17:58] <Red___> its backed up to an external hd.
[17:58] <ShootEmUp> I would recomend one of thouse
[17:59] <ShootEmUp> okay, everything or just pesonal data?
[17:59] <Red___> whole computer.
[17:59] <ShootEmUp> okay, that will work
[17:59] <Red___> but creating the disk doesn't have any risk does it?
[17:59] <ShootEmUp> nope
[18:00] <Red___> kk.
[18:00] <ShootEmUp> Installing has some risk like if you lose power during install
[18:01] <Red___> ok ill make sure that wont happen.
[18:01] <ShootEmUp> good
[18:03] <hobgoblin> ShootEmUp: STOP telling people to be quiet, YOU are not the only person in the world to have dual booted - or are you going to stay here 24/7 waiting for Red___  to return justy in case they have issues
[18:03] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, thank you this is some haphazard advice at best
[18:04] <ShootEmUp> hobgoblin, I understand, BUT he was talking over the top of me wile I was trying to help someone
[18:04] <Red___> why is my name red___? does red raven not fit or something?
[18:04] <ShootEmUp> hobgoblin, I'm sorry for telling him to shut up
[18:05] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, I'm sorry
[18:05] <hobgoblin> Red___: red raven might be a nick already - or it's the space
[18:05] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, not a problem, if you notice we all work together here
[18:06] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, okay, but you have to understand that I know what I'm talking about
[18:06] <Red___> ok. do im downloading the x64 bit version of Infa Recorder. figured it would be better to just follow the instructions.
[18:06] <ShootEmUp> insted of destroying my credibility
[18:07] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, you are not sorry,
[18:08] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, yes I am
[18:08] <hobgoblin> Red___: hang on a moment - I'm going to read the backlog
[18:08] <hobgoblin> ShootEmUp nit-wit - both pack it in please
[18:09] <ShootEmUp> okay, I'm sorry and It wan't happen again
[18:09] <Red___> whats he looking for in the back log?
[18:10] <ShootEmUp> our little argument
[18:10] <Red___> oh ok lol.
[18:10] <ShootEmUp> don't worry, It doesn't involve you
[18:11] <Red___> an error came up that said infa recorder wasn't a valid installer.
[18:12] <Red___> should i have hit save and not run?
[18:14] <Red___> ok hiting save worked.
[18:14] <hobgoblin> Red___: you need to be aware that people watch other people and if someone shouts then it is useful and good to look at what has been said. Especially if you are new to linux - you would not know good info from bad.
[18:15] <Red___> thanks. ive looked at the back log once already, so im glad i know how to use it. infa recorder is almost done btw.
[18:15] <hobgoblin> that was quick - did you burn slow or as fast as you could?
[18:16] <hobgoblin> also have you checked the md5sum for the  download yet or did you get it from a torrent?
[18:16] <Red___> i meant its almost done installing infa recorder.
[18:16] <Red___> k its done now.
[18:16] <hobgoblin> aah k - before you burn did you check the download?
[18:17] <hobgoblin> Red___: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM%20on%20Windows
[18:17] <Red___> wait, wtf? i deleted the installer and now infa is gone.
[18:18] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[18:19] <ShootEmUp> Red___, right click on the ISO and select "Burn Disk Image", once you done checking the MD5 hash
[18:19] <ShootEmUp> it will burn the disk using win7 built in iso burner
[18:19] <nUboon2Age> i just want to give props to hobgoblin who's helped me out several times with difficult issues.  Rock on hobgoblin!
[18:20] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:20] <nUboon2Age> Merry (day 6 of 12) Christmas everyone!
[18:21] <ShootEmUp> !cookie | hobgoblin
[18:21] <ubot2> hobgoblin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[18:21] <ShootEmUp> thanks for helping hobgoblin
[18:23] <Red___> ...ok im sorrry but what is MD5SUM?
[18:23] <hobgoblin> it's a way to check that the download you have is good - no point in burning it without making sure :)
[18:24] <Red___> ok so do i have to DL MD5SUM?
[18:25] <hobgoblin> Red___: to be frank - if I'm helping someone with an install issue I stop if they've not checked :D
[18:25] <ShootEmUp> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[18:25] <ShootEmUp> this might help
[18:25] <hobgoblin> Red___: gave you a link to the win section of that page a few lines up
[18:25] <Red___> ok thx.
[18:25] <ShootEmUp> wrong link, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM on Windows
[18:26] <hobgoblin> which is the same link lol
[18:26] <ShootEmUp> crap, it screwed up on me
[18:26] <hobgoblin> Red___: there's a link to the md5 hashes above as well
[18:26] <hobgoblin> mine works :)
[18:26] <ShootEmUp> just scroll down to the windows part
[18:27] <Red___> ok.
[18:27] <ShootEmUp> to the part that says "MD5SUM on Windows"
[18:28] <Red___> im at that now. i read the opening so i semi-know what it is and why its important.
[18:28] <JackyAlcine> Guys, I need clarification; what's the different between a shared library and a static library?
[18:30] <ShootEmUp> Red___, it checks to see if it is curropt or not
[18:30] <Red___> ok i read it. i went to the download site. its winMD5SUM right?
[18:31] <hobgoblin> yep
[18:31] <hobgoblin> JackyAlcine: might help http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LibraryArchives-StaticAndDynamic.html
[18:31] <Red___> k im running the .exe file now.
[18:31] <JackyAlcine> thanks in advance hobgoblin
[18:31] <hobgoblin> http://bhagwat-masalkar.blogspot.com/2009/03/difference-between-static-and-shared.html
[18:31] <hobgoblin> as well JackyAlcine
[18:32] <Red___> k the DL is done.
[18:32] <Red___> it said it might not have installed correclty.
[18:33] <ShootEmUp> Windows does that, you can try to install again with recomended settings
[18:34] <Red___> ok ill choose that one then.
[18:34] <ShootEmUp> It can't hurt
[18:34] <Red___> oh i clicked "add desktop icon". could that have been the default setting it didn't like?
[18:35] <ShootEmUp> no, everything wants desktop icon
[18:36] <ShootEmUp> it doesn't effect program perfomnce
[18:36] <Red___> it is unchecked though. i had to check it on my own, so i think that might have been the "non-default" setting.
[18:36] <Red___>  oh i know it doesn't affect it. its probably windows just being finicky again.
[18:36] <ShootEmUp> mabye, 9 times out of 10 that diolog is wrong anyway
[18:37] <Red___> ok thx.
[18:37] <ShootEmUp> and my spelling is off today
[18:37] <ShootEmUp> I need a spell checker
[18:37] <Red___> ok i opened md5sum. now what?
[18:38] <ShootEmUp> go to the place where you downloaded the ubuntu ISO
[18:38] <Red___> this? http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[18:38] <sogepp> is it true that, after we burn the iso file into cd/dvd the md5 won't be the same as iso one?
[18:39] <ShootEmUp> Red___, go to the folder you downloaded the ISO to
[18:39] <ShootEmUp> if you have not downloaded the ISO yet, download it
[18:39] <Red___> yah, and this is the ISO, right? http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[18:40] <ShootEmUp> yup
[18:40] <Red___> ok. im going to follow the instructions there and DL the ISO now.
[18:40] <ShootEmUp> okay
[18:43] <Red___> ok so it says to use infra and clikc write image, and then pick the ubuntu image i want. but i dont understand, its letting me pick from files on my pc. i dont have any cd image to use! or does it want me to pick the black CD in the F (CD) drive?
[18:44] <Red___> *blank
[18:45] <ShootEmUp> Red___, right click and select "Burn disc image"
[18:45] <sogepp> is it true that, after we burn the iso file into cd/dvd the md5 won't be the same as iso one?
[18:45] <ShootEmUp> it should be
[18:45] <ShootEmUp> It should be the same
[18:45] <Red___> on the F drive?
[18:46] <deejoe> it's a bit tricky to check it, though
[18:46] <ShootEmUp> Red___, yes
[18:47] <deejoe> the md5 sum from the optical media, that is
[18:47] <Red___> thx. sorry for all the stupid questions. it's just so much to take in.
[18:47] <ShootEmUp> Red___, there is no such thing as a stupid question
[18:48] <Red___> "no files to burn"
[18:48] <ShootEmUp> ?
[18:48] <ShootEmUp> did you finsh downloading the ISO
[18:49] <Red___> thas? http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[18:49] <ShootEmUp> no you should use win7 built in ISO burner
[18:50] <ShootEmUp> go to the folder that the ISO is in
[18:50] <ShootEmUp> tell me when your there
[18:50] <Red___> well i haven't DLd it.
[18:51] <ShootEmUp> well download the ISO
[18:52] <Red___> ok but where is it? it wasn't in the instructions.
[18:53] <ShootEmUp> I'll find you a direct link
[18:53] <Red___> thx.
[18:53] <ShootEmUp> you want 32bit or 64bit?
[18:53] <Red___> 64bit
[18:53] <ShootEmUp> http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases//maverick/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:53] <ShootEmUp> download that file
[18:54] <ShootEmUp> click "Save" when it asks
[18:55] <Red___> ok its going to my desktop now. thanks for answering all my newbie questions.i dont think ive done anything that i haven't asked three questions about first.
[18:55] <ShootEmUp> no problem
[18:55] <Red___> loooks like ive got some down time. ETA: 15 minutes for the DL.
[18:55] <ShootEmUp> yup, that happens
[18:56] <Red___> k ill let you know when its done. do you just typ someone's name to make it beep?
[18:57] <ShootEmUp> yeah, but I'm gonna be going soon
[18:58] <Red___> alreight then. i might have to soon as well.
[18:58] <ShootEmUp> I'll stay on for a little wile longer, but I will still have to go soon
[18:59] <Red___> ok. im sure i can  make some progress from the back logs.
[18:59] <hobgoblin> there are lots of people here who have installed and dual/triple/quad booted
[19:00] <ShootEmUp> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download, just follow the steps here
[19:00] <Red___> awesome. yah my eventual goal is to have a tripple boot with Win7, OSx, and Ubuntu.
[19:00] <Red___> i have had that in my other tab this whole time.
[19:02] <hobgoblin> Red___: I have 4 OSs on here atm
[19:03] <Red___> .....wow. all linux distros?
[19:03] <hobgoblin> and of you need a hand ping - I'm kicking about for another few hours
[19:03] <hobgoblin> actually I forgot there's an XP on here as well
[19:03] <hobgoblin> so 5
[19:03] <Red___> kk cool.
[19:04] <Red___> jeez. only three days ago i thought i knew a lot about computers. then i got interested in linux.
[19:04] <ShootEmUp> linux is very good
[19:04] <hobgoblin> for most things
[19:04] <ShootEmUp> It can be anything you want it to be
[19:04] <ShootEmUp> most of the time
[19:06] <Red___> yah but you need to know the language. as of now i know som HTML and an etreamly minimal amount of C++, neither of which will help my in Linux.
[19:06] <hobgoblin> I have no knwoledge whatsoever of any voodoo - never needed it
[19:07] <Red___> is that what linux uses?
[19:07] <hobgoblin> no idea - all voodoo to me Red___
[19:07] <Red___> then how do you edit linux without knowing the code?
[19:09] <hobgoblin> why do you think you need to edit it? you might need to edit configuration files - text editor does that fine
[19:09] <hobgoblin> I think you are misunderstanding what you are installing :)
[19:11] <Red___> i know that its an open source OS with the idea that you can change it to your need. but i dont understand how you edit or create your own applications then if you dont use a language.
[19:11] <ShootEmUp> C++ can be used to make ubuntu apps
[19:12] <Red___> i mean isn't that what the source code is? a language?
[19:12] <ShootEmUp> I don't use it, but I know it can
[19:12] <Red___> ok, hold this discusion. the ISO is done.
[19:12] <Red___> do i need to run it through MD5SUM now?
[19:13] <UndiFineD> it is recommended
[19:13] <Red___> ok.
[19:13] <webjocky> not a complete n00b, but I haven't advanced enough to not be called a n00b either. I've done my fair share of google query's for help on this and after spending more than 5 hours, I'm still where I started. Like many, I come from a Micro$hit background. My Server 2008 R2 went down yesterday. I'm moving to Ubuntu Desktop 10.04. Installed just fine, upon taking the install disc out &
[19:13] <webjocky> rebooting, I get nothing but a black screen with blinking cursor in the upper-left. I'll be more than happy to go over the troubleshooting steps I've already taken with anyone interested in helping me adopt a new OS - I'm determined!
[19:15] <Red___> ok so i opened the ubuntu file in MD5SUM, but what do i put in the compare section?
[19:16] <Red___> or do i just hit "calculate"?
[19:16] <UndiFineD> the same md5sum found alongside where you downloaded the cd from
[19:16] <JackyAlcine> webjocky: Try running the LiveCD from the install disc of Ubuntu
[19:17] <Red___> I haven't downloaded anything to the blank cd yet.
[19:17] <ShootEmUp> 1b9df87e588451d2ca4643a036020410
[19:17] <UndiFineD> Red___: where did you download from ?
[19:17] <ShootEmUp> thats the 64bit MD5HASH
[19:17] <UndiFineD> thanks ShootEmUp
[19:18] <ShootEmUp> if its the same your download is vaild
[19:18] <Red___> ok it came up automatically. its the same. so thats it the?
[19:18] <Red___> then*
[19:18] <UndiFineD> yes
[19:18] <ShootEmUp> yup
[19:18] <UndiFineD> ready to burn
[19:19] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: If you're interested in helping, as I stated, I'll be glad to go over the troubleshooting steps i've already partaken in. I've already booted to a Live CD & it works great. Making me think Grub2 is the issue. I've removed the "quiet splash" from the grub file as per serveral tutorials, but when attempting to "sudo update-grub" it fails.
[19:19] <ShootEmUp> Red___, just right click on the ISO and select "Burn Disk Image"
[19:19] <Red___> YAY! finally, i might actually get some progress done today.
[19:20] <JackyAlcine> That'll happen in the LiveCD, webjocky. I haven't figured how to get that working myself, a LiveCD-update.
[19:20] <webjocky> grats Red___
[19:20] <Red___> um, there is no burn to disk option. and i do have Infra.
[19:20] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: I figured that was the case..
[19:20] <UndiFineD> !grub
[19:20] <ShootEmUp> Red___, okay
[19:20] <ubot2> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[19:21] <UndiFineD> !grub2
[19:21] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:21] <JackyAlcine> !burg
[19:21] <ubot2> Factoid 'burg' not found
[19:21] <UndiFineD> heh
[19:21] <JackyAlcine> nooo, wtf? lol
[19:22] <webjocky> !burg = .sdrawno cimraK rof 2burg! eeS - otwoHburG/ytinummoc/moc.utnubu.pleh//:sptth :sot-woh BURG - burGerotseR/ytinummoc/moc.utnubu.pleh//:sptth eeS ?swodniW gnillatsni retfa BURG tsoL .(cimraK) 01.9 erofeb sesaeler utnubU rof reganam toob tluafed eht si burg
[19:22] <ubot2> webjocky: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:22] <webjocky> oh well.
[19:22] <Red___> so, what do i do then?
[19:22] <JackyAlcine> lol, is that in reverse?
[19:22] <webjocky> yup ;)
[19:22] <ShootEmUp> Red___, follow steps here http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[19:22] <JackyAlcine> But yeah; have you tried installing a second copy of Ubuntu onto your system?
[19:23] <webjocky> I first tried 10.04 Server - same problem. Then I moved to 10.04 Desktop - no dice.
[19:23] <Red___> ok so i need ISO recorder?
[19:23] <webjocky> After much reading, I've decided to go with Desktop in the end.
[19:24] <webjocky> yes, ISO Recorder is a MUST have for any Micro$hit install. :)
[19:24] <Red___> ok ill get that then.
[19:24] <JackyAlcine> Mhm, what's your computer make and model?
[19:24] <ShootEmUp> Red___, you can do it that way
[19:25] <JackyAlcine> And I think that the Windows bootloader is STILL installed on your system, webjocky. Although I don't know how.
[19:25] <webjocky> Custom build. Intel board: DP55KG, i7 Cpu, 8GB Ram, etc. . . need anything specific?
[19:26] <webjocky> hmm.. I hadn't thought of that even though I've completely re-partition & formatted (twice)?
[19:27] <webjocky> It might help to also note that I'm using the on-board hardware RAID 1 for the boot drive.
[19:27] <ShootEmUp> Red___, you can use any tool that burns CD ISOs
[19:27] <JackyAlcine> webjocky: x86 or x64?
[19:27] <webjocky> x64
[19:28] <Red___> is there one built into windows?
[19:28] <JackyAlcine> Okay, then I'm a bit confuzzled. Do you have a 4GB+ external drive that you can test install a copy of Ubuntu to?
[19:29] <ShootEmUp> Red___, in windwos 7 there is
[19:29] <Red___> ok so i dont need ISO recorder then?
[19:29] <webjocky> yes - I have a 16GB USB stick.. let me dump the contents somewhere.
[19:29] <ShootEmUp> Red___, if you right click on the ISO, and click "Burn disk image" it should burn
[19:30] <webjocky> n/m - i have a 2nd new one (in case the other craps out on me) still in the package, lemme rip 'er open.
[19:30] <Red___> there is no "burn disk image" buttton.
[19:31] <Red___> would open with>windows disk image burner work?
[19:31] <ShootEmUp> when right clicking? try double clicking
[19:31] <ShootEmUp> double left click and see what happens
[19:31] <JackyAlcine> If you can get that working; you should be able to reinstall GRUB onto the internal hard drive and get that up and running.
[19:31] <JackyAlcine> If you haven't tried that already.
[19:31]  * JackyAlcine remembers the horrible experiments he did to his hard drives..
[19:32] <Red___> i double right clicked and it opened my DVD movie software. can't i just use windows disk image burner?
[19:33] <ShootEmUp> you can
[19:33] <Red___> ok thx.
[19:33] <ShootEmUp> sorry, didn't know you had that installed
[19:34] <JackyAlcine> ShootEmUp: it comes standard with Windows 7
[19:34] <ShootEmUp> ohh ok, I have vista
[19:35] <ShootEmUp> I knew some ISO burner was in there
[19:35] <Red___> it came with it. but when my dvd movie software opened, it asek me if it wanted to burn to the DVD. so should i go with Winows 7 or cyberlink power2go?
[19:35] <ShootEmUp> either will do
[19:35] <Red___> ok ill just go with windows then.
[19:35] <ShootEmUp> I like cyberlink
[19:35] <ShootEmUp> but windows is good to
[19:36] <Red___> verify disk after burning?
[19:36] <hobgoblin> doesn't really matter what you use - as long as you burn as an image
[19:36] <ShootEmUp> you can, but it will take awile
[19:36] <ShootEmUp> you might as well not
[19:36] <webjocky> might help prevent future troubleshooting - better to take an extra 3-5 min now than 3-5 hours later :)
[19:37] <hobgoblin> either verify then or you can check the disk from the cd boot menu
[19:37] <Red___> ok. i didnt check it then. the burning has begun.
[19:37] <hobgoblin> webjocky: absolutely
[19:37] <webjocky> hobgoblin's check from cd boot menu is the way to go then
[19:37] <Red___> this is probably the hottest my pc has ever run!
[19:38] <hobgoblin> Red___: when you boot with the cd and see a pic of a keyboard at the bottom - hit any key, should get a menu - verify cd is on there
[19:38]  * webjocky hates finding out he missed something so retarded 5 hours after troubleshooting...
[19:38] <Red___> ok well i got a while before that happens.
[19:38] <hobgoblin> webjocky: I get all funny about heloing people with install issues until I know they've checked the md5sum and the disk - they can waste their time if they want - not mine :D
[19:39] <Red___> oh wait its almost done.
[19:39] <ShootEmUp> It should burn fast
[19:39] <webjocky> hehe - you've done this before...
[19:39] <Red___> yah it does.
[19:40] <Red___> webjocky, if that was @me i hope it was sarcasm.
[19:40] <Red___> DONE!
[19:40] <webjocky> Red__: nope was @hobgoblin - I'm not an @ss ;)
[19:41] <ShootEmUp> okay, reboot with the disk in. also you might want to get on the IRC from another computer
[19:41] <webjocky> I know how frustrating troubleshooting can get - no time for making enemies.
[19:41] <hobgoblin> lol
[19:42] <Red___> ok i odnt have one open but if i need it i can. Firefox ocome with it so i can just use that once i get it up right?
[19:42] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: so "Install side by side" ?
[19:42] <ShootEmUp> yup
[19:43] <ShootEmUp> Red___, good luck
[19:43] <Red___> thats the one where i can try it without installing it right?
[19:43] <ShootEmUp> yes
[19:43] <JackyAlcine> Well. not to the hard drive, but to your flashdrive, webjocky..
[19:43] <webjocky> right.
[19:44] <ShootEmUp> Red___, just hit try without installing, and then come back to the IRC
[19:44] <ShootEmUp> via Firefox or Xchat
[19:44] <Red___> ok. last thing. when i get to the boot menu, i need to do the verify thing right? jsut to double check that its perfect?
[19:44] <hobgoblin> yep
[19:45] <hobgoblin> any key when there's a keyboard pic on the screen
[19:45] <Red___> ok then. ill try and get onto the chat again when i get into the side by side mode. if not ill come back on Win7.
[19:46] <Red___> see you on the other side.
[19:47] <hobgoblin> mmm - do they know they can get online during the install?
[19:47] <JackyAlcine> hobgoblin: is that what that was for? lol.
[19:47] <JackyAlcine> the keyboard and person symbol.
[19:48] <webjocky> yup - I figured that out by mistake after trying to get this to work lol
[19:48] <hobgoblin> JackyAlcine: yea - lets you see the menu
[19:48] <webjocky> ^^keyboard & person symbol thingy
[19:49] <hobgoblin> ShootEmUp: do you know if anyone has checked out the current partitions on red's system?
[19:49] <ShootEmUp> no I don't know
[19:49] <ShootEmUp> I gotta go
[19:49]  * hobgoblin waits for it to have 4 primaries and it all go wrong then
[19:50] <ShootEmUp> can someone tell red___ bye for me
[19:50] <webjocky> sure thing
[19:50] <ShootEmUp> bye everyone
[19:50] <webjocky> later
[19:50]  * webjocky is usually late.
[19:53]  * webjocky hides
[19:53] <grizzlyattack> Is there any software available dealing with power management for 10.10?
[19:56] <JackyAlcine> Not that I know of off the top of my Tomboy list, no..
[19:56]  * webjocky thinks someone should update the "update-grub" script to accept a parameter for specifying the grub to update - so it would work from a Live CD...
[19:57] <webjocky> he left already - too impatient I guess.
[19:57] <webjocky> welcome back Red__
[19:57] <webjocky> ShootEmUp had to go, said bye.
[19:57] <JackyAlcine> Hey, Red__
[19:57] <JackyAlcine> And webjocky, I was looking into that, any issue I had with Ubuntu, I've scratched on a Tomboy notebook called bugs and worked on it..
[19:58] <webjocky> nifty
[19:58] <Red_> hey... so mixed results. my PC isn't fried, but when i chose to boot off the disk from the boot menu, it bought up a blank screen.
[19:58]  * webjocky cringes @ the blank screen of doom!
[19:59] <JackyAlcine> Try booting from USB.
[19:59] <JackyAlcine> Hold on...
[19:59] <Red_> its on a disk though.
[19:59] <JackyAlcine> are you using nVidia as a graphics card?
[19:59] <JackyAlcine> My bad, Red__ i was speaking to webjocky.
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> Power down your system and boot from disc, Red__
[20:00] <Red_> oh ok i was freaking out there for a minute,
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> lol, no problem.
[20:00] <Red_> thats what i just did.
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> So you've already installed Ubuntu?
[20:01] <Red_> its on a disk. i was trying side by side before the install.
[20:01] <holstein> hey kristian-aalborg
[20:01] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[20:01] <holstein> i saw your ping the other day
[20:01] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: you know, I forgot all about that nVidia/Linux driver problem thing.... as a matter of fact, I am.
[20:01] <holstein> but ive been mostly away
[20:02] <kristian-aalborg> it's no problem
[20:02] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: did you get sorted?
[20:02] <kristian-aalborg> nope
[20:02] <holstein> :/
[20:02] <JackyAlcine> Lol!!! webjocky, that MIGHT be the issue; try the rescue version of Ubuntu.
[20:02] <Red_> BRB.
[20:02] <JackyAlcine> And Red__, did you INSTALL it yet or have you burned a disc?
[20:02] <webjocky> theres a rescue version?
[20:02] <kristian-aalborg> the video and the sound card get the same irq on default boot... but fixing it with a boot flag changes nothing
[20:02] <JackyAlcine> Yes, well, a fail-safe.
[20:03] <nit-wit> boot the cd hold down the shift hit f6 click nomodeset ctrl+x to boot
[20:03] <kristian-aalborg> I think I'll try to switch sockets for those cards
[20:03] <JackyAlcine> Unless you removed it upon configured GRUB..
[20:03] <webjocky> nit-wit: @ me?
[20:03] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i usually try to get my audio devices off by themselves
[20:04] <holstein> but the IRQ shouldnt cause issues
[20:04] <holstein> IRQ sharing
[20:04] <holstein> unless you have a slow-ish box and a lot of things all on one
[20:04] <kristian-aalborg> what do you mean by "off by themselves"?
[20:04] <holstein> running JACK
[20:04] <holstein> for audio
[20:04] <holstein> ive had issues before iwth xruns
[20:04] <nit-wit> webjocky, I thought red was trying to boot the cd with a graphic problem
[20:05] <holstein> with USB devices sharing the same IRQ as audio devices
[20:05] <webjocky> nit-wit, nope - me.
[20:05] <holstein> or something like that
[20:05] <holstein> nit-wit: o/
[20:05] <JackyAlcine> LOL, Red__'s trying to dualboot Windows.
[20:05] <JackyAlcine> and webjocky's having an issue with booting Ubuntu.
[20:05] <kristian-aalborg> I have a desktop with a few years on it... you'd probably call it "slow-ish" by todays standards, but really no reason it should not do sound and video properly
[20:05]  * webjocky has issue with blank screen & blinky cursor - just remembered running an nVidia card.
[20:06] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: do you have another machine to test the sound card in?
[20:06] <holstein> without that HDMI out on the video card
[20:06] <kristian-aalborg> no
[20:06] <kristian-aalborg> but, it worked before I reinstalled linux
[20:06] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you said 9.10?
[20:06] <holstein> was the last time it worked?
[20:07] <holstein> maybe you could get a live CD of the last verion it worked with
[20:07] <holstein> make a note of what is being used
[20:07] <kristian-aalborg> erm... mint helena, I think
[20:07] <holstein> and search for a backport
[20:07] <holstein> hmmm
[20:08] <nit-wit> JackyAlcine, I am aware of the dual boot with red_
[20:08] <holstein> i forget what buntu helena would have been based on
[20:08] <holstein> anyways
[20:08] <holstein> lunch :)
[20:08] <holstein> bbl....
[20:08] <nit-wit> webjocky, are you having a problem or just helping
[20:08] <kristian-aalborg> see ya, hobgoblin
[20:08]  * JackyAlcine puts MonoDevelop and Quickly to fullscreen..
[20:08] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, sorry
[20:08] <webjocky> nit-wit: a 'lil of both where I can.
[20:09] <webjocky> but I'm currently working on my problem
[20:09] <nit-wit> webjocky, whats the problem
[20:09] <nit-wit> webjocky, cool if it is a boot thing I can probably help
[20:09] <webjocky> waiting for this USB install to finish so I can attempt your Shift, F6, nomodeset, ctrl+x
[20:10] <webjocky> sweet - that's exactly my problem
[20:10] <Red_> hey i g2g brb later.
[20:11] <webjocky> Live CD works fine, installed to a RAID1 & all I get is a blank screen w/blinking cursor in the top-left - no response except three finger salute.
[20:12] <nit-wit> webjocky, the shift key gets you the choice menu right away, and the f6 options
[20:15] <JackyAlcine> Freaking hate segmentation faults...
[20:16] <webjocky> well, I did the F6 thing & I'm booting (so far). Once it's finished booting, how do I go about figuring out if it booted to my USB drive or my RAID1?
[20:17] <webjocky> also note, it's still reading from the CD-ROM an aweful lot.
[20:18] <nit-wit> webjocky, you have booted from the thumb by having it first in the bios?
[20:18] <webjocky> BIOS boot order is as follows: Optical Drive, RAID1, Others.
[20:19] <nit-wit> webjocky, I think you booting off the cd
[20:19] <webjocky> I think so too.
[20:19] <nit-wit> *your
[20:19] <webjocky> *you're, but who's counting :)
[20:19] <nit-wit> webjocky, and thats okay nothing wrong with that:)
[20:20] <webjocky> I'm thinking it's using the CD to boot to the USB or something as the USB drive's activity light is almost as active as the Optical drive light.
[20:21] <nit-wit> webjocky, the cd if it is a standard install wont boot to the usb, itself a standard ISO correct, both are right
[20:21] <webjocky> hmm... now all activity seems to have stopped & I have the ubuntu logo in the center of the screen with five non-animated red 'loading' dots under it.
[20:23]  * webjocky thinks we should start over.
[20:23] <nit-wit> webjocky, did you use the check disc at the menu screen
[20:23] <webjocky> yes. Passed.
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> how do I build a kernel on one machine and then move it to another? And does it matter if I'm running different distros?
[20:24] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg, you can chroot in a kernel to the second machine I believe, don't know the process though
[20:25] <webjocky> imho, that sounds like it's a bit out of range for a 'beginners' channel.
[20:25] <nit-wit> webjocky, do you know the per-session boot menu key prompt
[20:25] <webjocky> nope.
[20:26] <nit-wit> webjocky, whats the computer model
[20:26] <webjocky> custom build.
[20:26] <nit-wit> webjocky, it may be f12 at power on
[20:26] <webjocky> oh, you referring to the ... yeah.. I know what you mean now.
[20:26] <webjocky> what about it?
[20:27] <nit-wit> webjocky, it is a reliable way of choosing the boot from without going to the bios to change the order
[20:27] <webjocky> obviously - still searching for your point?
[20:27] <nit-wit> webjocky, USB
[20:28] <nit-wit> webjocky, thumb
[20:28] <webjocky> ok. So we're still trying to boot to USB to further troubleshoot the RAID1?
[20:28] <nit-wit> webjocky, you booted the cd lets try the thumb the easy way is what  was thinking.
[20:29] <nit-wit> webjocky, I haven't gotten a picture of the raid problem, and really I'm not familiar with raid.
[20:30] <webjocky> I don't think there's a problem with the RAID1, the installation seems to find everything OK.. it's most likely the nVidia card messing with things at this point.
[20:30] <webjocky> But I'm referring to my RAID1 as thats the install I need working in the end.
[20:32] <nit-wit> webjocky, so a nVidia graphic has left you in some sort of stae which I logged in to late to get.
[20:33] <webjocky> lol no.
[20:33] <nit-wit> *state
[20:33] <webjocky> let me re-paste my inital statement upon joining this chatroom
[20:33] <nit-wit> webjocky, I give up to be honest no fair description good luck:)
[20:33] <webjocky> wtf.
[20:35] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: I've got a Grub menu via USB!
[20:35] <JackyAlcine> then it's exactly what I thought; the Windows bootloader is still installed on your internal drive.
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> Go to Ubuntu on the USB..
[20:36] <webjocky> well crap. I guess I need to "re-"install Grub2?
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> Yup. :D
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> you know how to or should I mention it?
[20:36] <webjocky> nice call btw.. still don't understand how, but neat.
[20:36] <webjocky> yes, mention it please :)
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> lol, well you might need to download a few packages.
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> sudo apt-get grub grub-pc
[20:36] <webjocky> k, whatever it takes. And we're talking Grub 2 or just Grub?
[20:36] <JackyAlcine> sudo apt-get install grub grub-pc
[20:37] <JackyAlcine> Grub2
[20:37] <webjocky> cool
[20:37] <webjocky> all this from the USB?
[20:37] <JackyAlcine> yup.
[20:37] <JackyAlcine> then run sudo update-grub /dev/sda1
[20:37] <JackyAlcine> /dev/sda1 should be the path to your internal hard drive.
[20:37] <JackyAlcine> it'll scan for installed systems and then exit.
[20:38] <JackyAlcine> matter of fact, i'll walk you through it.
[20:38] <JackyAlcine> what's on your screen right now?
[20:39] <webjocky> ty so much!
[20:39] <webjocky> I opened terminal & typed "sudo apt-get grub grub-pc" - it returned "E: Invalid operation grub"
[20:41] <JackyAlcine> lol, i forgot.
[20:41] <JackyAlcine> its "sudo apt-get install grub grub-pc"
[20:41]  * JackyAlcine had the same exact issue webjocky had and had to figure this process out himself =/
[20:43] <webjocky> hmm... now I got: "Some Packages could not be installed.. blah blah" "grub: Conflicts: grub-pc but 1.98-lubuntu9 is to be installed" "grub-pc: Conflits: grub (< 0.97-29ubuntu60 is to be installed" "E: Broken packages"
[20:43] <JackyAlcine> >_< sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install grub-pc
[20:44] <JackyAlcine> I forgot that GRUB's grub1 and GRUB-PC's grub2
[20:44] <webjocky> w00t - doin' its thang.
[20:46] <JackyAlcine> Alright, now run..
[20:46] <JackyAlcine> sudo update-grub /dev/sda1
[20:48] <webjocky> working....
[20:48] <webjocky> done
[20:49] <JackyAlcine> Alright, now reboot, but do NOT remove the USB.
[20:49] <JackyAlcine> wait!
[20:49] <webjocky> hehe, k
[20:49] <JackyAlcine> show me the output of the console.
[20:51] <webjocky> anything specific you're looking for? There's an aweful lot here..
[20:52] <JackyAlcine> yeah, use pastebin.com
[20:53] <JackyAlcine> I'm curious to see if it picked up the ubuntu install on the internal drive.
[20:53]  * webjocky wasn't thinking - cut/paste dummy....
[20:54] <webjocky> http://pastebin.com/4ZbAQNbg
[20:57] <JackyAlcine> Did you give the USB a name?
[20:58] <webjocky> as in a Hostname?
[21:00] <JackyAlcine> no, a drive label.
[21:00] <webjocky> I chose the defaults on install - so most likely not.
[21:00] <JackyAlcine> hm. well, this output is not normal at all; did the internal hard drive showed signs of failure?
[21:01] <webjocky> nope. never has.
[21:01] <webjocky> It's listed under Places too
[21:04] <JackyAlcine> That's awkward output; but I don't think it'll stop it from booting.
[21:05] <JackyAlcine> Okay, now run..
[21:05] <JackyAlcine> sudo grub-install /dev/sda1
[21:05] <JackyAlcine> that should confirm the GRUB2 installation to the bootloader of your hard drive.
[21:05] <webjocky> I found what my internal RAID1 is showing as...
[21:06] <webjocky> its:  /dev/mapper/isw_beidhbgedg_ITOS1
[21:08] <JackyAlcine> That's really odd..
[21:08] <webjocky> error: unable to identify a filesystem in hd0,1; safety check can't be performed.
[21:08] <JackyAlcine> try ..
[21:08] <JackyAlcine> sudo grub-install /dev/mapper/isw_beidhbgedg_IT0S1
[21:10] <JackyAlcine> hey Cheri703
[21:10] <Cheri703> hola
[21:11] <kristian-aalborg> System:    Host mint-lugosi Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Fluxbox CE
[21:11] <kristian-aalborg> System:    Host mint-lugosi Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Fluxbox CE
[21:11] <kristian-aalborg> sorry about that... was just checking out those new xchat buttons
[21:11] <Aisteru> I am having trouble configuring xorg to use the nvidia drivers. I installed the nvidia 96 package, & ran the automatic configuration tool, but the xorg.conf it generated does not work.
[21:12] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: pastebin updated
[21:14] <JackyAlcine> where's the link, webjocky? pastebin usually sends you to another, new page when you update it.
[21:16] <webjocky> oh - didn't notice: http://pastebin.com/2A24eV72
[21:17] <JackyAlcine> this is weird; your RAID setup might not be supported by GRUB..
[21:18] <JackyAlcine> what does sudo grub-install /dev/mapper give you?
[21:19] <webjocky> says: /dev/mapper is not a block device
[21:19] <JackyAlcine> Yeah; your hard drive's configured in a peculiar manner..
[21:20] <JackyAlcine> I'm GUESSING it may work on restart, but don't be surprised if you get the screen again..
[21:25] <webjocky> mmk
[21:41] <webjocky> JackyAlcine: no dice. same result as when I started. But now that you seem to have pinpointd the issue at hand, I'm trying this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#Overwriting%20the%20Master%20Boot%20Record
[21:42] <JackyAlcine> Alright, I did what I can, webjocky.
[21:42] <JackyAlcine> Good luck.
[21:42] <webjocky> much appreciated
[21:42] <webjocky> thanks
[22:24] <ShootEmUp> hey is Red___ here?
[22:25] <ShootEmUp> doesn't look like he's here
[22:25] <Red_> hey.
[22:25] <ShootEmUp> Hey
[22:25] <ShootEmUp> you are Red___, right?
[22:26] <Red_> yup.
[22:26] <ShootEmUp> did everything work out for you>
[22:27] <Red_> so i finished the install disk, but when i tried to boot from it i got a blank screen.
[22:27] <ShootEmUp> ouch, what video card do you have?
[22:28] <nit-wit> Red_, run this script and pastebin the generated text file  http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[22:28] <Red_> They said it would work: http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02207161&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=101&prodSeriesId=4149939&prodTypeId=321957
[22:30] <Red_> the instructions say to boot into Linux and then DL the scrpit. I can even boot into Linux.
[22:30] <ShootEmUp> either its your video card, or your boot setup. do what nit-wit said
[22:30] <Red_> cant*
[22:30] <Red_> so if its the video card im screwed?
[22:30] <ShootEmUp> why?
[22:31] <ShootEmUp> I don't think its the video card
[22:31] <nit-wit> Red_, could be either the script will knock off a lot of doubt
[22:31] <Red_> because when i do boot into linux i get a blank screen.
[22:31] <ShootEmUp> run it from live CD
[22:31] <ShootEmUp> works that way to
[22:32] <Red_> um, thats what i do. i hit esc. to enter the boot menu on start up, hit F9 to see boot devices, I select the DVD/CD drive, hit enter, and get the black screen.
[22:32] <ShootEmUp> ohh ok
[22:33] <Red_> yahhhhhh...... so i can't even use linux.
[22:33] <ShootEmUp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582, this might help
[22:33] <ShootEmUp> no you could install via the Alternate Install CD
[22:33] <Red_> Warning: Although I have made an effort to make this guide as accessible as possible, if you are a beginner to Ubuntu then you are not recommended to follow this guide at all. Even if you stick to the safest method outlined, your system may experience difficulties due to the installation of unofficial drivers. Consider yourselves warned .
[22:34] <sogepp> is it true that, after we burn the iso file into cd/dvd the md5 won't be the same as iso one?
[22:34] <ShootEmUp> did you ever verify the CD?
[22:34] <Red_> never saw the keyboard, so no.
[22:35] <ShootEmUp> could be the CD, looking up ways to verify without booting
[22:35] <Red_> do i have to access a different menu in the boot menu?
[22:35] <Red_> ok, so i need to verify then..... how do i do that without seeing the keyboard?
[22:37] <ShootEmUp> one way would be to make an ISO out of the CD you burned, and then MD5 check that
[22:37] <nit-wit> Red_, you have a HP they usually have 4 partitions the max allowed on a single HD, can you boot Windows and take a screen shot of the disk manager
[22:37] <ShootEmUp> but it might be your video card, those give ubuntu problems
[22:37] <Red_> and if its that, there's nothing i can do?
[22:38] <sogepp> anyone???
[22:38] <ShootEmUp> you can do other things, but they are not easy
[22:38] <nit-wit> I think we are putting the cart before the horse here partitions can be removed and shrunk and graphics drivers can be installed
[22:38] <nit-wit> sogepp, whats up
[22:38] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, he can't even boot the live CD
[22:39] <sogepp> this : is it true that, after we burn the iso file into cd/dvd the md5 won't be the same as iso one?
[22:39] <Red_> ok so how do i go about varifying the CD?
[22:40] <ShootEmUp> Red_, I'm not sure
[22:40] <ShootEmUp> looking it up
[22:40] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, okay Red__  power on the computer hit the shift and hold it down to get the menu, hit f6 click the nomodeset then crtl+x to boot this is a low graphics mode
[22:40] <Red_> wont it look super crappy?
[22:41] <Red_> in the mean time ill make a thread, see if it gets anything.
[22:41] <ShootEmUp> yes, but it will tell us if its the video card
[22:41] <nit-wit> sogepp, here is a link that should help. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[22:41] <sogepp> kay
[22:42] <nit-wit> Red_, the resolution will just be set but this is what has to be done probably. If you get in we should see a look at the partition setup before you do any installing, for protecting the Vista
[22:43] <Red_> ok. so are you sure those keys will be the same on my laptop?
[22:44] <ShootEmUp> yes
[22:45] <ShootEmUp> write his steps down, you don;t want to forget them
[22:46] <Red_> kk.
[22:48] <ShootEmUp> Okay, It seams that your video card has driver support in ubuntu, but it still could be that
[22:48] <Red_> but i would have to DL the driver?
[22:48] <ShootEmUp> no that I know of
[22:49] <ShootEmUp> drivers should be built in
[22:49] <ShootEmUp> but you still want to try what nit-wit suggested
[22:49] <Red_> ok so its probably varifying then. so if i do get in on low graphics mode, then im good, and all i need is varifying?
[22:50] <ShootEmUp> yes
[22:50] <Red_> yah but nit-wit said use shift to get into the menu. i use esc. (thats what it says on start up). so could other keys be wrong too?
[22:51] <ShootEmUp> nope, It's not trying to get to your BIOS
[22:51] <ShootEmUp> It's pulling up ubuntu boot options
[22:52] <Red_> so i should use shift then?
[22:52] <ShootEmUp> yes
[22:52] <Red_> ooooooooook then..... ill try it out. be back in a few.
[22:52] <ShootEmUp> see ya then
[22:59] <Red_> the menu didn't come up.
[22:59] <ShootEmUp> :(
[22:59] <ShootEmUp> I guess its the CD
[22:59] <Red_> whe exactly am i supposed to press it?
[22:59] <ShootEmUp> hold shift at startup
[23:00] <ShootEmUp> after the BIOS
[23:00] <Red_> wait, what do you mean?
[23:01] <ShootEmUp> okay, set your CD to boot, then at startup hold shift
[23:02] <Red_> ok so go into boot menu, change the boot order so that cd drive is above internal hd, save it, reboot, then press shift?
[23:02] <ShootEmUp> yes
[23:02] <Red_> ok before i go what is the hostname and port on this irc?
[23:03] <ShootEmUp> #ubuntu-beginners, on the freenode server
[23:03] <Red_> thought the port was a #?
[23:04] <pleia2> 8001
[23:04] <ShootEmUp> I don't know the port
[23:04] <ShootEmUp> I'm just using Xchat
[23:04] <Red_> thats it^
[23:04] <ShootEmUp> ok thanks pleia2
[23:04] <Red_> oh ok. im trying to set up an iOS app that lets you use irc on ipod touch.
[23:05] <ShootEmUp> ahh
[23:05] <Red_> its asking for hostname:port so would that be #Ubuntu-Beginners:8001 ?
[23:06] <pleia2> probably irc.freenode.net:8001
[23:06] <pleia2> #ubuntu-beginners is the channel
[23:06] <ShootEmUp> yeah I think thats it
[23:06] <Red_> thx.
[23:08] <Red_> whats the channel key?
[23:08] <pleia2> there isn't one
[23:08] <pleia2> (a key is like a password)
[23:08] <ShootEmUp> no password
[23:09] <black> Im in!
[23:09] <ShootEmUp> nice
[23:09] <black> I'll use this while I'm working on the boot settings.
[23:10] <ShootEmUp> good
[23:10] <Red_> kk brb.
[23:12] <black> K I'm changing the boot order.
[23:14] <black> WTF! I think it's working! I didn't even hit f6 and all that!  It's got those changing orange and white dots.
[23:15] <ShootEmUp> it will take a little time
[23:15] <ShootEmUp> gotta load the system into RAM
[23:16] <black> It's up! No status bar yet though.
[23:16] <black> It's up!!!!!
[23:17] <ShootEmUp> good, now you want to check if your patitions
[23:17] <black> Ok I just hit try Linux.
[23:17] <ShootEmUp> look in system - admin - gparted once its up
[23:20] <black> Um, is that unfer places?
[23:20] <ShootEmUp> nope, look in system - admin - gparted I think, if not there just look in your menus for it
[23:21] <black> Ok systems just came up.
[23:21] <nit-wit> menu system admin  gparted
[23:21] <black> I don't see admin in the systems folder.
[23:22] <black> Nvm I see it now
[23:23] <black> Ok I have it. What do you need?
[23:23] <ShootEmUp> tell me how many partitions are listed
[23:23] <black> 4 and then one unallocated.
[23:24] <ShootEmUp> okay, that presents a problem
[23:24] <black> Um, why?
[23:24] <black> Don't most have 4
[23:24] <ShootEmUp> you can only have 4 primary partitions
[23:24] <ShootEmUp> ubuntu can be installed on a logical one
[23:25] <ShootEmUp> but it takes more steps
[23:25] <black> Ok. So where do I start?
[23:25] <ShootEmUp> okay, gparted still up?
[23:26] <black> Yes.
[23:26] <ShootEmUp> okay, look for your bigest partition
[23:26] <ShootEmUp> that is your windows 7 partition
[23:27] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, just for a suggestion here with that many partitions the boot files may be anywhere so confirming this with the bootscript may be pertinant before making any changes
[23:27] <black> It's dev/sda3 at 218 gb, 53 used and no label.
[23:27] <ShootEmUp> you want to shink it, but it is best to do it from inside windows
[23:28] <ShootEmUp> so boot back up in windows
[23:28] <ShootEmUp> :)
[23:28] <black> K so should I boot into windows now?
[23:28] <ShootEmUp> hold on
[23:28] <ShootEmUp> run the boot info script
[23:28] <ShootEmUp> let me see if I can find it...
[23:29] <black> Give me a minute. I need to connect to the web.
[23:29] <nit-wit> http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/  you guys are doing great just precautions will make life easier
[23:29] <black> Fudge. The code is in my inbox.
[23:31] <ShootEmUp> what wrong? can't connect to internet?
[23:33] <black> Just got into it.
[23:33] <ShootEmUp> good, download Boot Info Script here http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[23:33] <black> Hold on
[23:35] <Red_> HELLO FROMTHE OTHER SIDE!
[23:36] <Red_> can you repost that link?
[23:36] <nit-wit> http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[23:36] <Red_> ok im getting it now. since th HDD isn't partitioned, where will the DL go?
[23:38] <nit-wit> Red_, the script will guide you all for the DL means download correct
[23:40] <Red_> ik im just curios (SP). the download work of cousre, but where was the fil put?
[23:41] <nit-wit> Red_, in downloads drag it to the desktop and copy paste the sudo desktop command in the link into a terminal it generates a text file to be copied and pasted to a pastebin
[23:41] <ShootEmUp> I'm back now
[23:41] <ShootEmUp> sorry, had to take a dump
[23:42] <nit-wit> lol thanks for sharing
[23:42] <nit-wit> :)
[23:42] <Red_> My copy of Linux's inosence has been tainted!
[23:42] <ShootEmUp> :) well you would have asked where i was at
[23:43] <ShootEmUp> Red_, you doing the Boot Info Script now?
[23:43] <nit-wit> Red_, here is a pastebin if you need it. http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:44] <Red_>  sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script*.sh
[23:44] <Red_> that it?
[23:44] <ShootEmUp> yup, except for the *
[23:44] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, you can read the script and recognize the boot files I suspect would you like a coparitve script posted
[23:44] <ShootEmUp> it should be the version number
[23:45] <nit-wit> *comparative
[23:45] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, what do you mean?
[23:45] <Red_> so just take out the *?
[23:46] <ShootEmUp> boot_info_script055.sh
[23:46] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, the MS set up has 2 sets of files that are separated in these situations, or included in the main OS, I just was offering a script that is showing how they should be
[23:47] <ShootEmUp> sudo bash ~/desktop/boot_info_script055.sh
[23:47] <ShootEmUp> thats what you type
[23:47] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, I still don't understand, but it sounds like you are going to post your boot info script...
[23:48] <ShootEmUp> I know windows 7 has a boot and system partition
[23:48] <Red_> buntu@ubuntu:~$ sude bash ~/destop/boot_info_script055.sh No command 'sude' found, did you mean:  Command 'sudo' from package 'sudo' (main)  Command 'sudo' from package 'sudo-ldap' (universe) sude: command not found ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[23:48] <Red_> not found, wtf?
[23:49] <Red_> maybe i typed it wrong.
[23:49] <ShootEmUp> sudo not sude
[23:49] <nit-wit> the asterix is supposed to be there copy and paste the command from the page and make sure the downloaded script is on the desktop
[23:50] <nit-wit> sude lol the asterisk is supposed to be there though it is the command from the page
[23:50] <Red_> k posting the results.
[23:52] <Red_> ok that doesn't look like it will copy and past very well.... should i put it in the tread i made so you can see it?
[23:52] <ShootEmUp> good idea
[23:52] <nit-wit> Red_, you can't put that in the thread
[23:54] <nit-wit> Red_, open the text file click edit select all right click copy it open the pastebin paste it there submit and give us the link
[23:54] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, if you haven't seen the script before you will see what  mean a lot of text
[23:55] <ShootEmUp> I've seen it before
[23:55] <ShootEmUp> on the forums all the time
[23:55] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, I figured you had:)
[23:56] <Red_> here you go: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10298484#post10298484 i just recycled my thread from earlier.
[23:57] <nit-wit> Red can I talk with you through the thread?
[23:57] <nit-wit> Red_,
[23:57] <ShootEmUp> okay, seems like you have 3 bootable partitions
[23:57] <Red_> um, if you want to i guess, but this is faster.
[23:57] <Red_> why?
[23:58] <nit-wit> Red_, it may seeem faster but first off you didn't post the whole script
[23:58] <Red_> shootemup, is that good?
[23:58] <ShootEmUp> I'm not sure...
[23:58] <Red_> ... yes i did.
[23:59] <ShootEmUp> you wouldn't happen to have multiple windows installs?
[23:59] <Red_> no. only win7.


[06:08] <c2tarun> a request to mentors: can anyone please arrange a class on bug triaging???
[06:17] <zkriesse> c2tarun: I'm sure there has already been a class on that
[06:20] <c2tarun> zkriesse: ya there was a class on 2006-08-04, it was long time back. can we just reschedule. just for newbie's like me.
[06:20] <zkriesse> Ah hmm
[06:20] <zkriesse> pleia2: any ideas?
[06:20] <zkriesse> c2tarun: pleia2 would be the one to ask probably
[06:22] <c2tarun> zkriesse: i think he is not here right now. i'll wait. is he the one that organises classes???
[06:23] <zkriesse> pleia2: Is a she and she's one of the bosses yes
[06:23] <maco> the p is princess :)
[06:23] <c2tarun> zkriesse: my bad. i m sorry.  i'll wait for her then :)
[06:23] <zkriesse> It's cool
[06:24] <zkriesse> lol
[06:24] <c2tarun> :)
[06:50] <pleia2> c2tarun: that's a good idea, I'll nudge the bug squad folks and see if they want to do a class soon :)
[06:51] <c2tarun> thanks a lot pleia2. i'll check the schedule regularly. :)
[07:03] <zkriesse> ohai pleia2 you are around
[20:28] <ce_300now> THIS IS THE BEST U CAN GET http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0KOLKAER/psyBNC2.3.2.rar
[20:41] <Ddorda> hey guys, can you give me a link to a class happened few days ago about making deb packages?
[20:41] <zkriesse> I can indeed
[20:41] <pleia2> Ddorda: it's linked on wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[20:41] <pleia2> click on the topic and it'll take you to the logs :)
[20:41] <zkriesse> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/23/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t14:01
[20:41] <zkriesse> That's on Debian/Ubuntu Packaging
[20:41] <Ddorda> thanks :)
[20:42] <zkriesse> certainly
[20:42] <Ddorda> pleia2: any chance i know you from TMW? i played it long time ago but it think i saw you there
[20:42] <zkriesse> as pleia2 says https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom has all the logs of previous classroom sessions
[20:42] <pleia2> Ddorda: TMW?
[20:42] <Ddorda> pleia2: MMORPG gam
[20:42] <Ddorda> game*
[20:43] <pleia2> Ddorda: doubtful, I tend to lurk in MMORPG circles (admin on an RP-based irc network) but I don't really play myself
[20:44] <Ddorda> pleia2: of course, i didn't mean i saw you in the game itself but in the chat of the game
[20:44] <zkriesse> Ddorda: what game?
[20:44] <pleia2> it's possible :)
[20:44] <Ddorda> zkriesse: TMW


[11:30] <will> and how do i modify em then?
[11:30] <akra> ok - what's ls -ld /mnt give?
[11:30] <will> it gives me a listing of the files in blue
[11:30] <akra> will: I'm nearly sure that you need to mount the drive with a user option set somewhere
[11:31] <will> where do i set these then?
[11:32] <akra> hopefully someone who knows fstab without having to look it all up will step in about now...
[11:32] <joem> what do you need with fstab?
[11:32] <will> akra: you have been so helpful! cant thank u enough
[11:33] <will> setting permissions?
[11:33] <akra> joem: he needs to mount his windows partition with enough permissions to get at it as a normal user :)
[11:33] <joem> in the options line of fstab, add the users option
[11:34] <will> joem: typing fstab gives me command not found
[11:34] <joem> /dev/hdx       /mnt/win           vfat     users        0       2
[11:34] <akra> fstab is a file
[11:34] <joem> will, /etc/fstab is a file
[11:34] <joem> not a command
[11:34] <will> ahah!
[11:35] <akra> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:35] <joem> nano -w
[11:35] <will> oaky will have a look now....brb
[11:35] <akra> ooh! didn't know about -w
[11:36] <joem> akra, man nano
[11:36] <will> oaky its looking clearer now
[11:36] <will> what is -w for
[11:36] <akra> have just done so :)  I don't use it, just recommend it to people who don't know vi or emacs
[11:36] <joem> disable line wrap
[11:36] <LinuxJones> will, It prevents word wrapping
[11:37] <will> thats a good!
[11:37] <will> joem: so what do i need to change then under dump or pass?
[11:38] <joem> will, look at what I posted above, should be all you need
[11:39] <will> joem: do i just add the line in for every partition i need?
[11:39] <joem> how many windows partitions do you have that need mounting?
[11:40] <will> well i have about 3 hard disks
[11:41] <will> sorry guys it must be like speaking to children!
[11:41] <LinuxJones> will, everybody is the same when they start using Linux :D
[11:42] <ynef> will: what seems to be the problem? i've missed what you're asking about?
[11:42] <Mitario> hello everyone
[11:43] <Mitario> any ideas on why I can't save recorded audio which I recorded with gnome-audio-recorder?
[11:43] <LinuxJones> Mitario, hi
[11:43] <will> okay do i need to restart now i have edited and saved fstab?
[11:43] <Lovechild> hi joem
[11:43] <LinuxJones> Mitario, where are you trying to save your audio files to ?
[11:43] <Mitario> Desktop or $HOME
[11:44] <ynef> will: the mounts you've set to "auto" will be mounted if you just issue the command "mount -a" as root
[11:44] <LinuxJones> Mitario, that's odd
[11:45] <will> it says mount point /mnt/d does not exist!
[11:45] <Mitario> jup
[11:45] <Mitario> the filebrowser pops up
[11:45] <Mitario> I click save, but nothing happens
[11:45] <Mitario> no files.. nothing
[11:45] <joem> hi Lovechild
[11:45] <Mitario> tried to run with a higher gst-debug-level, and there are no errors
[11:45] <ynef> will: then you haven't made that directory yet, right?
[11:45] <Mitario> almost seems that the recorder doesn't have save support ;)
[11:45] <will> yep!
[11:45] <LinuxJones> Mitario, heh
[11:45] <dieman>  /win 2
[11:45] <will> suppose i will do that now huh!
[11:45] <dieman> ack
[11:46] <Mitario> i'll try #gnome :)
[11:46] <Lovechild> joem, you are an ubuntu man now=
[11:46] <ynef> will: yeah :)
[11:47] <will> it worked, but the mounted drive files are still inacessable in the 'explorer xwindow' thing
[11:47] <Mitario> anyone has an idea which alternative audio recorder I can use?
[11:48] <Telep> audacity?
[11:48] <joem> Lovechild, yep
[11:48] <ynef> will: do you mind posting the line in fstab concerning the partition?
[11:48] <Lovechild> joem, I tried Ubuntu but then suddenly my monitor blew out - that ended my fun
[11:49] <will> /dev/hda5       /mnt/d          vfat    users           0       2
[11:50] <Telep> I've actually got a problem with Audacity - for some reason the interface fonts are tiny
[11:51] <will> i got the drive now visible but it says 'mount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or /mnt/d busy
[11:51] <will> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is already mounted on /mnt/d
[11:51] <Telep> changing font sizes with gtk-theme-switcher didn't help
[11:51] <ynef> will: try putting umask=002 after a comma, directly after users (so it reads: "users,umask=002"). And if you want the partition mounted automatically, you'll also have to add "auto" to that list...
[11:51] <ynef> will: so umount it. ("umount /mnt/d")
[11:51] <joem> will, did you unmount it from earlier before trying to mount it again?
[11:51] <will> nope!
[11:51] <tseng> hah thatd do it.
[11:52] <ynef> will: if it's already mounted it won't know you've changed the file with the new mount options
[11:52] <will> sudo unmount /mnt/d gives me: 'command not found'
[11:53] <tseng> will: its umount.
[11:53] <ynef> will: it's "umount", not "unmount"
[11:53] <will> oops!
[11:55] <will> okay but still the error
[11:55] <will> do i need to mount it again now as specified in the fstab
[11:56] <ynef> will: check if it's mounted first. you do this, easily, by issuing the command "mount". after that, if it's not mounted, mount it like it's mounted in fstab
[11:57] <will> ynef: hur det laget, jag vet inte att du ?r svensk!
[11:58] <Telep> omg
[11:58] <ynef> will: well, i am swedish, but either speak swedish to me in private, or in english here -- other users might experience the same problems you do
[11:58] <Telep> jag r finsk :)
[11:58] <will> sorry
[11:59] <ynef> will: :)
[11:59] <will> im actually english, but i live in sthlm
[11:59] <ynef> will: so, what does "mount" report? is the volume mounted yet?


[14:54] <otubo> Hey all! Quick question: When setting up the ephemeral network for EC2, I can't see any code handling resolv.conf. Does it relies on the first dhclient call?
[14:59] <akutz> otubo: I don't think it would need to handle DNS/resolve.conf since the metadata is accessed via IP address, or maybe I'm missing something?
[15:00] <akutz> For example, there's a static IP address in the DS at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/0bf8d575dc91b68084ef4d88869ac719b23924d0/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceEc2.py#L60
[15:03] <rharper> otubo: what akutz said, and in particular, for ephemeral we don't run any dhclient hook scripts (which typically would configure resolv.conf) since the *real* instance networking will come in the metadata we fetch
[15:03] <akutz> (oh good, I wasn't totally off base!)
[15:05] <otubo> akutz: rharper the problem here is that there's some calls to getaddrinfo() to detect dns redirection and there's also http://instance-data.:8773
[15:05] <otubo> those are getting timeout on some tests
[15:05] <otubo> and are slowing down the boot time dignificantly
[15:05] <rharper> what dhcp client?
[15:05] <rharper> what would be hitting/requesting a DNS entry in ec2 ?
[15:06] <otubo> rharper: dhclient 4.3.6
[15:07] <otubo> rharper: sorry, I've been looking at the code all day and forgot a little context :) I'm talking about cloudinit/util.py, function is_resolvable()
[15:08] <otubo> rharper: this function calls getaddrinfo() 3 times for bad names to detect redirection. And at cloudinit/sources/DataSourceEc2.py:60 there's the extra host lookup for EC2.
[15:11] <rharper> sure, but Ephemeral DHCP doesn't hit URLs;  it can do a connectivlty check, if configured, for Ec2, none is configured ...
[15:16] <otubo> rharper: I don't follow. Ephemeral DHCP for EC2 does hit URL twice for http://<IP_ADDRESS> and http://instance-data.:8773
[15:17] <otubo> rharper: on cloudinit/sources/DataSourceEc2.py:258
[15:20] <rharper> sorry, I meant DNS based urls, if you have logs that'd help;  once Ephemeral is up, then we do a get() on the metadata.   Something doesn't feel right, this codes been here quite some time though; I'd think we'd have seen timeouts and slow boots on ec2
[15:29] <otubo> rharper: https://pastebin.com/Wbpi6U9W more specifically on lines 114 and 115
[15:29] <otubo> rharper: we're running RHEL-8 on AWS EC2 and having a consistent 50s delay on every deploy.
[15:33] <rharper> is that in a custom vpc or stock EC2 networking?  the socket request goes through nsswitch path , is there something else configured in the OS that would attempt to resolve things to some end point?   do you know if resolv.conf is empty (or typically a symlink to systemd-resolve stub?)
[15:33] <rharper> otubo: and does cloud-init master rpm fail the same way?    As I mentioned, there's no changes to this path for multiple years;
[15:35] <otubo> rharper: let me check on that.
[15:39] <otubo> rharper: default vpc aws provides when you sign up, resolv.conf contains "<IP_ADDRESS>" at the time it delays, I don't believe there's anything else trying to resolve at that time, by cloud-init master rpm you mean upstream vanilla rpm?
[15:47] <rharper> yeah, why does resolv.conf have anything in it ?
[15:48] <rharper> that doesn't seem to match the DHCP response in your logs (10.X network)
[15:52] <rharper> https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16948
[15:53] <rharper> typically resolv.conf is symlink to /run or where ever the dns resolver is ...
[15:53] <rharper> $ stat /etc/resolv.conf
[15:53] <rharper>   File: /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[15:58] <otubo> rharper: I think that's it!
[15:58] <rharper> \o/
[15:59] <otubo> rharper: <IP_ADDRESS> comes from image builder and messes up the lookups. If I erase that and redeploy, the calls bypass resolv.conf to nsswitch and the delays are over
[15:59] <rharper> yep
[15:59] <otubo> rharper: that's a bug on the image builder, not cloud-init.
[15:59] <rharper> naught image builder =P
[15:59] <rharper> right
[15:59] <otubo> rharper: thanks a lot! :-)
[16:00] <rharper> yw
[20:33] <bahamat> Is users.<user>.groups an array or a comma separted string?
[20:48] <rharper> bahamat: you're taking cloudinit config or lxd ?    for cloud-init users:  accepts an array of dicts, each dict has a number of fields,  the groups key inside a user dict is a list of groups, if it's a string, comma separated is converted to list,
[20:48] <bahamat> cloud-init config
[20:49] <bahamat> so I can do `groups: [g1, g2]` as well as `groups: g1, g2`?
[20:50] <rharper> yes, or groups:\n - g1\n -g2 ;  yaml list or comma separated string
[20:50] <bahamat> Ok, cool.
[20:50] <bahamat> And, is there a defined execution order for cloud-init? Or is it the order it's written in the file?
[20:51] <bahamat> Like if package foo creates group foo, and I want user bar to be in group foo, can I ensure that packages are done before users?
[21:22] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I'm not going to get through the ssh PR today. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/984. I want to walk through more potential use-cases in my head to see if it holds.
[21:23] <falcojr> blackboxsw: all good. I wasn't expected we'd get through it all today
[21:23] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/985 landed and your other PR
[22:10] <rharper> bahamat: it's defined , in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg  you can see the order of init, modules and final   , the user-groups runs first, any package installs happen *last* (during final stage);  so, for users that are created before the package installs, you'll need to include a runcmd to do a usermod to add them to the group;
[22:10] <rharper> the runcmd writes a script which is called almost last during 'scripts-user' in the final stage
[23:13] <FE80CC1E> Hey Folks, having an issue getting cloud-init to work with terraform created image. This is on ESXi using the following https://github.com/josenk/terraform-provider-esxi/tree/master/examples-0.13/05%20CloudInit%20and%20Templates
[23:15] <FE80CC1E> it appears the guestinfor.userdata shows up in gzip+base64 but never acutally deploys.
[23:16] <FE80CC1E> image is trusty-server-cloudimg-amd64.ova
[23:26] <akutz> Trusty is 14.04 and the VMware Datasource that uses guestinfo was not introduced until last week, scheduled for cloud-init 21.3 and Ubuntu Impish (21.10).
[23:27] <akutz> FE80CC1E: If you are using the old cloud-init-vmware-guestinfo version of the DS on 14.04, then I'm not sure I even tested the DS with a version of Ubuntu that old. I started the DS in 2018, and I believe I tested it with Ubuntu 18.04+.
[23:28] <FE80CC1E> @akutz the trust image states cloud-init is included and I see it initialized......the version I pulled is 14.04.6.
[23:28] <akutz> cloud-init may be included, but the datasource that introduces support for guestinfo is brand new
[23:29] <FE80CC1E> akutz gotcha, is there an ova for this or do I have to deploy ubuntu and install cloud-init manually and use ovf?
[23:30] <FE80CC1E> just want a simple linux version to deploy a web server using terraform and cloud-init
[23:32] <rharper> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/server/trusty/current/
[23:32] <rharper> FE80CC1E: has up-to-date ova and ovf ;  cloud-init pre-installed of course
[23:35] <rharper> for the older images and OVF, there have been "challenges" w.r.t expected behavior due to the design of OVF datasource;  the cloud-init in trusty  is rather old; so it might not be new enough for behaviors you're looking for.
[23:36] <FE80CC1E> any other thoughts here without having to deploy, add cloud-init, then export as ovf? Any Linux distro that comes with the right version of cloud-init?