[08:03] <troy_s> kwwii: Have you replaced the "vaguely bloody" heron image yet with a / the viable replacement?
[10:46] <DPic> why is the default background in hardy in png when the svg isn't even as big?
[13:26] <Anchakor> I don't know if this is a good place to report this, but I have a problem with ubuntu website
[13:28] <Anchakor> I use theme with inverted colours (back bg, white text) and the website displays wrongly
[13:28] <Anchakor> http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuhomepageubunturu5.png
[13:28] <Anchakor> I don't use Ubuntu though so I just thought that someone should know...
[13:29] <Anchakor> oh and I juse latest firefox2
[13:29] <Anchakor> s/juse/use
[19:12] <thorwil> hi nand! hope the slashdotting wasn't too bad :)  when i submitted the story, the site was running fine and i figured somone would report it anyway
[19:13] <nand> hoho you missed something! The website was literaly smashed, as basically at the same time, it got first page on wired and digg !
[19:14] <nand> fortunately, our beloved canonical sysadmins moved us to a stronger server
[19:15] <nand> we are still steaming full ahead with 50 new users per 10 minutes, and so far, the input is of great quality!
[19:15] <nand> Now, I have a TODO list of around 30-40 items to care of ...
[19:15] <thorwil> it's quite amazing :)
[19:17] <nand> thorwil: Would you give me an hand with some visual reorganization? Basically we will had much more menu items, options,... to integrate into the current page design. Well, if you're interested :)
[19:18] <thorwil> nand: i should have an hours or so :)
[19:19] <nand> Ok, then not today. First, I have to figure out what is asked and what we will modify
[19:20] <nand> then try to make some mockups
[19:22] <thorwil> tomorrow i will be at the linux audio conference in cologne
[19:23] <nand> ok no probs :)
[19:25] <thorwil> nand: but do you already know how many more items and options it might be?
[19:26] <nand> nop! I currently gathering the - shall I say incredible - number of good and even excellent idea for Brainstorm submitted in Brainstorm itself
[19:26] <_MMA_> thorwil: I sent you a email reply with some details about a 3D logo right?
[19:26] <nand> But it will be probably a lot.
[19:27] <thorwil> _MMA_: yes. and there's something in a 75% state of completion. not quite what you expected, i guess, though :)
[19:28] <_MMA_> thorwil: I'm looking forward to whatever. This is part of an idea for Hardy+1. Thanx for any work you do.
[19:29] <_MMA_> So even if its not quite what's in my head, it could spark other ideas.
[19:29] <thorwil> sure
[20:25] <nand> thorwil: will you be at FOSScamp?
[20:26] <thorwil> nand: nope
[20:26] <nand> ah, too bad, I would have offered you one of the Brainstorm bulb tee shirt we will make!
[20:26] <thorwil> aww :}
[20:39] <thorwil> nand: remind me that i give you a large scale version of the icon before you make t-shirts
[20:40] <nand> you can make large versions with the SVGs, no?
[20:41] <nand> ah they are not optimized for large scale ok
[20:41] <nand> if you have time, thanks ;)
[20:41] <thorwil> nand: you have to take care of line widths
[20:42] <nand> ah ok
[20:42] <thorwil> nand: shouldn't take me long, but it would be best to have a target size
[20:42] <thorwil> width x height in mm and resolution
[20:42] <nand> Ok, I will tell you. Probably a standart A4 size, that what shops take IIRC
[20:43] <thorwil> nand: cool
[20:44] <thorwil> nand: how are updates of image links supposed to work?
[20:44] <nand> currently, once a image link is generated, it is cached for one day
[20:44] <thorwil> i see 31 on http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/163/, but still 27 on http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/idea-promotion/
[20:44] <nand> so you will not see the update of vote before next day!
[20:44] <thorwil> ah, ok
[20:44] <nand> *number*
[20:45] <nand> It is planned to be changed to an one hour cache
[20:45] <thorwil> i guess the browser cache could become a problem
[20:49] <nand> it should not, the HTTP response will return the updated creation date and thus the browser should fetch the new one
[20:50] <thorwil> ah, ok. i learned the hard way that using wordpress, if i replace one of my images with one of the same name, i will still see the old one
[21:00] <thorwil> good night!
[22:19] <cody-somerville> troy_s, Hey :)
[22:19] <cody-somerville> troy_s, Want to evaluate?: http://cody.zapto.org/xubuntu-hardy/Screenshot-2.png
[22:21] <nothlit> cody-somerville: ! wallpaper/theme clash!
[22:21] <cody-somerville> hehe
[22:22] <cody-somerville> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-February/005170.html
[22:25] <nothlit> kit-kapudle?
[22:28]  * kwwii returns from his trip to london after a *very* delayed flight
[22:28] <kwwii> troy_s: nope, I haven't got to that yet...I was busy with meetings in london this week
[22:29] <kwwii> troy_s: luckily while there I found out that sabdfl likes the wallpaper and basically made the same comments about what he would like ot see tweaked in it


[09:49] <Nissaar> m4skin: 13
[09:50] <m4sk1n> thanks
[10:40] <heesen> elopio,could you please take a look at my task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5911781492916224/
[11:40] <balloons> last day rush :-)
[11:46] <popey> :)
[11:46] <popey> Always :)
[14:46] <Nissaar> popey: hi
[14:46] <Nissaar> elopio: hi
[14:47] <Nissaar> ive successfully packaged the python snap: pyradio
[14:47] <Nissaar> i need to ask the snapchat admin to fork my repository
[14:48] <Nissaar> snapcrafters***
[14:48] <daniellimws> lol snapchat
[14:48] <Nissaar> hehe
[14:48] <Nissaar> i need to pull it on my github
[14:48] <Nissaar> its locally in the folder pyradio-snap
[14:49] <konrad11901> elopio: you there?
[14:49] <Nissaar> how do i put in on github to allow the admin to make the pull request ?
[14:49] <daniellimws> have you made the call for testing?
[14:49] <daniellimws> wait you had
[14:49] <daniellimws> but you can ping popey to help you with that ^
[14:50] <Accelerator> Like you already pinged him XD
[14:50] <daniellimws> yea haha
[14:50] <Accelerator> btw konrad11901 the one you were looking for is now online hehe
[14:50] <Nissaar> popey: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-pyradio-snap/3537
[14:51] <konrad11901> Accelerator: I know :D
[14:51] <Nissaar> btw is the deadline to submit the task passed ?
[14:51] <popey> hi!
[14:51] <popey> looking!
[14:52] <Nissaar> great !
[14:52] <konrad11901> popey: hi! since you have bigger experience than me in almost everything, can you suggest something that is available both in GNOME Software AND Snap Store?
[14:52] <konrad11901> and is quite light
[14:53] <popey> konrad11901: pulsemixer
[14:54] <konrad11901> popey: I see that it's not available in GNOME Software :(
[14:54] <popey> huh, it should be if you search for it
[14:56] <konrad11901> popey: https://i.imgur.com/vg70k6k.png
[14:57] <konrad11901> oh umm
[14:57] <konrad11901> I see that other people are able to find it
[14:57] <Nissaar> popey: is mine good ?
[14:57] <konrad11901> maybe it's because I'm on bionic
[15:03] <heesen> elopio,could you please task a look at my task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5911781492916224/
[15:05] <popey> sorry, I got disconnected, bad internet here today
[15:06] <Nissaar> popey: should i send you the link again ?
[15:06] <popey> no, iam replying on the forum
[15:06] <popey> just had to wait till my connection came back :)
[15:07] <popey> replied...
[15:07] <popey> konrad11901: interesting!
[15:07] <Nissaar> popey: on my pc its running with the audio
[15:07] <Nissaar> the radio is playing
[15:07] <popey> Nissaar: are you sure you're running the snap? "snap run pyradio"?
[15:08] <Nissaar> i ran only: pyradio --play
[15:08] <popey> i bet you have it in your path
[15:08] <popey> what happens if you run "which pyradio"?
[15:08] <popey> bet it's not /snap/bin/pyradio
[15:08] <Nissaar> yes im running it in the path ive built
[15:08] <popey> right, run the snap
[15:09] <popey> "snap run pyradio"
[15:09] <Nissaar> it opens the interface to play the radio
[15:09] <popey> konrad11901: i don't understand - @flexiondotorg does pulsemixer show up for you in gnome software?
[15:09] <popey> Nissaar: choose one and press enter
[15:09] <popey> flexiondotorg: https://i.imgur.com/vg70k6k.png from konrad11901
[15:10] <Nissaar> it plays with the sound
[15:10] <Nissaar> popey: the radio plays
[15:12] <Nissaar> popey: im pushing it into the beta channel again just in case
[15:12] <wxl> popey: had a busy day yesterday and didn't have a chance to deal with this request for more time which i would have granted. anything we can do at this point? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5208549753880576/
[15:13]  * popey looks
[15:13] <Nissaar> popey: ill add the stage-packages you mentionned, build it again, and release it on the beta channel again
[15:15] <popey> wxl: not a lot you can do now I think.
[15:15] <wxl> k thx for looking…
[15:21] <Nissaar> popey: ive already rreleased it again. can you please look into it now ?
[15:21] <popey> yup
[15:22] <Nissaar> it says revision 5 of pyradio rleased
[15:25] <popey> are you sure you added pulseaudio to the plugs?
[15:25] <Nissaar> yes
[15:25] <popey> snap interfaces pyradio shows no pulseaudio interface connected
[15:26] <Nissaar> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398408/
[15:26] <popey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oAGMxxmA/
[15:27] <popey>  stage-packages should say "libpulse0" not pulseaudio, as I said on the forum
[15:27] <Nissaar> ahhh okay. im on it. thx
[15:29] <popey> np :)
[15:33] <Nissaar> popey: fixed
[15:35] <popey> still not playing here. Looks like you're shipping mplayer in your snap, which likely wants x11.
[15:35] <popey> This has turned out to be a complex snap, for what it does!
[15:35] <Nissaar>  popey: yes it seemed easy but it isnt
[15:36] <Nissaar> popey: you must have mplayer installed to be able to play
[15:36] <Nissaar> and vlc also
[15:36] <popey> i have both and that won't work
[15:36] <popey> the snap won't see them outside the snap
[15:36] <popey> but having them inside the snap should work
[15:37] <popey> but then it needs x11 plug
[15:37] <Nissaar> i should add another plug then ?
[15:37] <Nissaar> how is it working on my laptop ? i dnt have any other software installed :(
[15:37] <popey> you can try adding x11
[15:37] <popey> snappy-debug.security scanlog
[15:38] <popey> run that, then in another terminal run "snap run pyradio" and see if it work
[15:38] <popey> I dont understand why it works for you, unless you're running "pyradio"
[15:38] <popey> you need to be sure you're running the snapped version, not any other version
[15:38] <Nissaar> even with snap run pyradio its running
[15:39] <Nissaar> popey:snappy-debug.security: command not foundsnappy-debug.security: command not found
[15:39] <popey> oh, sorry, you have to install it, "sudo snap install snappy-debug"
[15:43] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398492/
[15:45] <popey> yeah, as expected
[15:45] <Nissaar> popey: what should i do ?
[15:46] <popey> test it with x11
[15:46] <Nissaar> how ?
[15:46] <Nissaar> popey :ah edit snapcraft.yaml and rebuild and so on ?
[15:47] <popey> yes
[15:47] <Nissaar> im on it
[15:49] <heesen> elopio,could you please task a look at my task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5911781492916224/
[15:50] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398532/
[15:50] <popey> try pushing and I'll test here
[15:51] <Nissaar> its processing... should be ready in a few minutes. im going to have dinner
[15:51] <Nissaar> popey: brb in abt 20 min
[15:51] <popey> ok
[16:05] <Nissaar> popey: back
[16:05] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398628/
[16:06] <popey> ugh, x11 interface requires a desktop file.
[16:06] <popey> you might be able to get away with making an empty pyradio.desktop in snap/gui ...
[16:06] <popey> try it
[16:07] <Nissaar> popey :uhm can you explain a bit more ?
[16:08] <popey> x11 plug assumes you're making a graphical desktop application (which you're not) and the store enforces that, and said you _must_ ship a .desktop file
[16:08] <popey> which is a file desktop apps usually ship which tell the desktop (unity, gnome) how to launch your application
[16:08] <popey> the file should be in snap/gui/pyradio.desktop
[16:08] <popey> and you _may_ be able to ship it empty in your snap, to work around the store requirement
[16:08] <popey> or you could add just a few lines like this:-
[16:09] <popey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VFGwXWKt/
[16:12] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398674/
[16:13] <Nissaar> shpuld i change the version to 1.3.2 as my snap ?
[16:13] <popey> did you rebuild it?
[16:16] <Nissaar> yes
[16:16] <Nissaar> popey:https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398696/
[16:16] <popey> and the desktop file is called pyradio.desktop and is in snap/gui ?
[16:17] <popey> aha!
[16:17] <Nissaar> popey: yes it is
[16:18] <popey> approved it!
[16:18] <popey> (the snap)
[16:19] <popey> you need to release it to a channel
[16:19] <Nissaar> popey: i release it to beta ?
[16:19] <popey> yeah
[16:21] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398718/
[16:21] <popey> you dont need to push
[16:21] <popey> just release
[16:22] <popey> snapcraft release pyradio 8 beta
[16:22] <Nissaar> what command should i type ?\
[16:22] <popey> ^ that
[16:23] <Nissaar> ahh ok ok sry didnt see that
[16:23] <Nissaar> popey: revision 8 is not approved
[16:25] <popey> bah, it's complaining about the desktop file again
[16:25] <popey> one moment
[16:27] <popey> Seems it didn't like the desktop file
[16:27] <popey> the file is snap/gui/pyradio.desktop ?
[16:28] <Nissaar> popey: https://imgur.com/a/miwMP
[16:29] <popey> it needs to be pyradio.desktop
[16:29] <popey> in the terminal, make sure it's pyradio.desktop (no capitals)
[16:30] <Nissaar> why should it be in the tterminal ?
[16:30] <popey> because if you double click a .desktop file in nautilus, nautilus can mangle it
[16:31] <Nissaar> ive modified the file name
[16:31] <Nissaar> ive tried push
[16:31] <Nissaar> ive tried release
[16:32] <Nissaar> im obtaining the ssame errors
[16:32] <popey> did you rebuild?
[16:32] <popey> you have to rebuild the snap whenever you change the desktop file
[16:32] <Nissaar> yes
[16:32] <Nissaar> im rebuilding again
[16:34] <Nissaar> popey: same errors
[16:36] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398781/
[16:36] <popey> in the terminal, can you run "ls -l snap/gui" ?
[16:37] <Nissaar> no such file or directory
[16:37] <Nissaar> popey: https://imgur.com/a/miwMP
[16:37] <Nissaar> the file is in the path in the screenshot
[16:37] <popey> hang on
[16:37] <popey> in the directory where you're doing the snap creation
[16:37] <popey> ~/pyradio-snap
[16:37] <Nissaar> yes ?
[16:37] <popey> you should have a snap directory, and in that a gui directory, and in _that_ the desktop file
[16:38] <Nissaar> ahhh okaaaaaaaay
[16:38] <popey> :)
[16:38] <Nissaar> dnnt understand that part
[16:38] <popey> I wondered why it could never find it :D
[16:39] <Nissaar> popey: https://imgur.com/a/wtH3b
[16:39] <Nissaar> is it good ?
[16:39] <popey> ya!
[16:42] <Nissaar> popey: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26398808/ aaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhhh
[16:42] <popey> no thats fine
[16:42] <popey> i can fiddle teh store to allow that
[16:42] <Nissaar> yaaaaaaay
[16:44] <popey> Progress! :D
[16:44] <popey> "Could not find 'Exec=' in desktop file lint-snap-v2_desktop_file (pyradio.desktop.desktop)"
[16:45] <popey> So add one line to the desktop file, "Exec=pyradio", rebuild, re-upload
[16:45] <Nissaar> popey: under name ?
[16:45] <popey> at the bottom
[16:45] <popey> just add an extra line
[16:45] <popey> don't put the quotes in
[16:46] <popey> I appreciate this is a bit more painful than it should be :)
[16:46] <Nissaar> [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0 Name=pyradio Exec=pyradio
[16:46] <popey> But this is amazingly good feedback
[16:46] <popey> yes
[16:46] <popey> we will improve our documentation as a result of this!
[16:46] <Nissaar> yay. at least i helped in something xD
[16:49] <popey> it failed the same way. says the exec line is missing
[16:50] <Nissaar> yes i received that too
[16:50] <popey> those  are separate lines, right?
[16:50] <Nissaar> yes separate lines
[16:50] <Nissaar> ive rebuild
[16:51] <popey> your desktop file is called pyradio.desktop.desktop
[16:51] <popey> (this is what i said about nautilus mangling the file)
[16:51] <popey> you need to rename it, but don't use nautilus.
[16:51] <popey> mv snap/gui/pyradio.desktop.desktop snap/gui/pyradio.desktop
[16:51] <popey> don't double click it in nautilus
[16:52] <popey> and then rebuild
[16:59] <Nissaar> it released !!!!!!
[16:59] <Nissaar> popey: here's the call https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-pyradio-snap/3537/7
[16:59] <popey> yay
[17:00] <popey> \o/ it works
[17:00] <Nissaar> popey: now what should i do so that you can fork and tranfer the name ?
[17:02] <popey> https://github.com/snapcrafters/fork-and-rename-me
[17:02] <popey> fork that and rename it to pyradio (or do you already have a git repo?)
[17:02] <Nissaar> popey:https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-pyradio-snap/3537/7
[17:02] <Nissaar> popey:https://github.com/Nissaar/Pyradio-snap-creation
[17:02] <popey> awesome.
[17:03] <popey> I will pm you an address to email, ask them to transfer to snapcrafters
[17:03] <Nissaar> popey: right thanks
[17:03] <popey> Once that's done, I'll import the repo into snapcrafters
[17:04] <Nissaar> im on it
[17:04] <popey> Nice work
[17:05] <Nissaar> popey: should i submit the link ?
[17:05] <Nissaar> uhm ive one question
[17:05] <popey> submit what link where?
[17:05] <Nissaar> i should upload the files in this:https://github.com/Nissaar/Pyradio-snap-creation right ?
[17:05] <Nissaar> the github link in the mail ?
[17:06] <popey> yeah, that wouldn't hurt :)
[17:08] <Nissaar> popey: i cannot upload the files in my forked repository
[17:08] <popey> which files?
[17:09] <popey> it only needs the snapcraft.yaml and the desktop file, surely?
[17:14] <Nissaar> popey: ive sent the mail
[17:14] <popey> great!
[17:16] <popey> Nissaar: feel free to submit the gci task now :)
[17:16] <popey> you dont need to wait for the rename/import
[17:17] <Nissaar> popey:https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5353633833025536/
[17:18] <Nissaar> popey: thank you very much
[17:18] <popey> Thanks
[17:31] <Nissaar> popey: how may contact you i want to package other snaps after gci ?
[17:32] <popey> on irc or via the email address I gave you earlier :)
[17:32] <Nissaar> the irc chat will still be on ?
[17:32] <Nissaar> ok thx
[17:33] <popey> well, I will always be on irc :) so you can pm me
[17:33] <popey> we also have a #snappy channel :)
[17:33] <popey> and the forum
[17:33] <Nissaar> ok ill try to work when i have free time
[17:34] <Nissaar> thank you very much :D
[17:45] <Accelerator> kyrofa: Are you free?...Could you review my task?


[00:49] <bjsnider> RAOF, did he report that to nvidia?
[00:50] <RAOF> bjsnider: I don't know; it's fixed in 295.20, though.
[00:50] <bjsnider> i'm surprised
[00:51] <Sarvatt> i think he complained to tseliot who brought it up with nvidia yeah, remember seeing that fly past
[00:51] <bjsnider> oh, then that makes sense
[02:45] <Sarvatt> cnd: oh synaptics works with libxtst-dev as a build-dep now?
[02:46]  * Sarvatt keeps an eye out for random synclient bugs
[02:47] <Sarvatt> oh whoops i was using origin/debian-experimental synaptics packaging that time
[06:21] <tjaalton_> ok, so mesa 8.0.1.. I'll merge it this morning
[06:23] <tjaalton_> guess we don't need an FFe for it, since it's a bugfix release
[06:23] <RAOF> Indeed.
[06:23] <RAOF> Mark it as such, and let the uploads fly!
[06:23] <RAOF> (In the changelog, obviously)
[06:23] <tjaalton_> yah
[07:10] <tjaalton> oh right, wayland 0.85 needs to be merged as well..
[10:07] <tjaalton> bryceh: so I uploaded the wayland 0.85 merge, fyi
[10:07] <tjaalton> the mesa update is pending, I'll make sure it builds in sbuild first before uploading it..
[10:09] <bryceh> tjaalton, great thanks for letting me know
[10:10] <tjaalton> weston needs an FFe
[10:11] <tjaalton> I'll check the mesa build later once wayland is built. officially on holiday the rest of the week :P
[10:13] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok.  Anything you need me to follow up on?
[11:29]  * apw has just had his X server hang in a futex call ... anyone seen anythign like that on precise
[11:44] <tjaalton> bryceh: well I hope it'll fix at least some of the crashers, the master bug should get closed by the upload
[11:55] <bryceh> apw, haven't seen anything about futex calls
[11:55] <tjaalton> still up? :)
[11:56] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah :-/
[11:56] <bryceh> too many bugz
[11:56] <apw> bryceh, i have had one hang today, and colin has had two, identicle symtoms, total lockup graphically everything looking pristine
[11:56] <apw> bryceh, mine i found was sitting in a futex call just ... waiting
[11:56] <bryceh> apw, bugger
[11:56] <apw> i tried to grab a core, its didn't like that one bit
[11:56] <bryceh> apw, file bug #'s
[11:57] <tjaalton> bryceh: oh, they're just bugs, it's nothing personal ;)
[11:58] <bryceh> zombies eat your brainz, nothing personal ;-)
[11:58] <tjaalton> ooh, looks like I'm a DM now
[11:59] <bryceh> tjaalton, grat'z
[12:01] <apw> bryceh, ok filing a bug is no longer possible as apport is crashing
[12:02] <bryceh> bleah
[12:02] <bryceh> apw, what's the error?
[12:03] <apw> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x000000000378bf60 ***
[12:03] <apw> oops
[12:03] <bryceh> hrm
[13:01] <tjaalton>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libwayland-dev (>= 0.85.0) but it is not going to be installed.
[13:01] <tjaalton> wth?
[14:06] <tseliot> RAOF: any ideas on bug 882916 ?
[14:09] <jcristau> i thought panning just didn't work in 1.11 period?
[14:09] <jcristau> ah, but 11.10 doesn't have 1.11, nvm
[14:22] <tseliot> jcristau: it doesn't work at all?
[14:23] <jcristau> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39949
[14:24] <tseliot> jcristau: interesting, thanks for the link
[16:02] <mdeslaur> does this look like an X issue? imgpaste.com/D9vA.png
[16:02] <mdeslaur> I've been getting transparent context menus every 10-20 times for the past couple of weeks
[16:03] <mdeslaur> sorry, proper link: http://imgpaste.com/D9vA.png
[16:11] <Sarvatt> mdeslaur: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/932813
[16:11] <mdeslaur> Sarvatt: awesome, thanks!
[16:11] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/931473 sorry
[17:21] <ricotz> tjaalton, hello
[17:22] <ricotz> while wayland 0.85 branch should be api stable it seems a good idea to drop the hard dependency creation in rules?
[17:47] <Sarvatt> ricotz: yeah for sure, see #ubuntu-desktop talk right now
[17:48] <ricotz> Sarvatt, exactly
[17:49] <ricotz> Sarvatt, btw i push a new wayland to edgers
[17:49] <ricotz> *pushed


[00:40] <ronj> darkxst, I'm currently running 3.8 (did ppa-purge). Tomorrow I'll re-install shell 3.10 from the PPA and will apport-collect
[03:23] <bei> what does it mean when you attempt to turn on/install an extension from extensions.gnome.org it seems to install but then the on button slides back to off (and it hasn't installed)?
[03:28] <sgo11> hi, I keep getting "Backup" notice. "Keep your files safe by backing up regularly". how can I disable it by modifying a config file? thanks.
[04:23] <x-Na> Hmmh
[04:23] <x-Na> Anyone awake?
[04:32] <x-Na> What would be the best way to debug the problem I have with Gnome-shell crashing (disappearing) after selecting "Switch user"
[04:39] <darkxst> x-Na, file a bug
[04:39] <darkxst> `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell`
[04:54] <x-Na> Ok, but what would be the best way to get all the necessary data collected with that?
[04:55] <x-Na> I had to purge those ppa's as I needed to get things working, but I can reinstall Gnome 3.10, if necessary
[06:40] <Amon__> ahoy. if i wanted to migrate from ubuntu (standard) 13.04 to ubuntu gnome 13.10 where would i look for a hands on guide?
[07:03] <mgedmin> hm, I can't find anything on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[07:04] <mgedmin> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html is what I did to migrate from ubuntu 13.04 to ubuntu gnome 13.04
[07:04] <mgedmin> (and then I upgraded to 13.10 using Update Manager, as usual)
[07:07] <mgedmin> (actually, according to the date in my diary, I used that process when I had ubuntu 12.10, not 13.04)
[07:08] <Amon__> but this is just for modifying ubuntu standard
[07:09] <darkxst> Amon__, Upgrade to 13.10 first
[07:09] <darkxst> then install ubuntu-gnome-desktop + ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[07:09] <darkxst> probably best to remove ubuntu-default-settings after that also
[07:11] <Amon__> and then my installation will be ubuntu gnome without changing any entries in sources.list?
[07:11] <mgedmin> essentially, yes
[07:12] <mgedmin> you may also want to enable the gnome 3 PPA, but in 13.10 it doesn't have much (just updated System Preferences that make it impossible for anyone to configure Empathy)
[07:12] <mgedmin> so maybe not
[07:14] <Amon__> and after the next release i will be still on ubuntu standard, or will this switch me to the release cycle of ubuntu gnome?
[07:24] <mgedmin> you will stay on ubuntu gnome
[07:24] <mgedmin> (they use the same repositories, it's just a matter of different packages getting installed from those repositories; controlled by the metapackages like ubuntu-gnome-desktop)
[07:26] <Amon__> aha. so i can switch from ubuntu standard to kde, to gnome or whatever other flavours there are just by installing a different package because cannonical ships them all in one big repository?
[07:28] <darkxst> mgedmin, why so? empathy should still work with gnome3 ppa and if it doesnt file a bug, we are hoping to get that into Trusty soon
[07:29] <mgedmin> darkxst, I'll file a bug
[07:30] <mgedmin> AFAIU there are two sources for online account configuration sources: one used by Ubuntu Online Accounts, one used by GNOME Online Accounts
[07:31] <mgedmin> I'm not sure, but I think one lives in gconf, and the other in dconf?
[07:31] <mgedmin> anyway, Ubuntu patched empathy to use the accounts to use Ubuntu Online Accounts, IIRC
[07:31] <darkxst> mgedmin, we don't install Ubuntu online accounts
[07:31] <mgedmin> but the control-center from the gnome3-team PPA hides that applet in the control center
[07:31] <darkxst> in which case gnome online accounts should work fine
[07:31] <mgedmin> empathy does a runtime check?
[07:32] <darkxst> yes, it may be broken currently if both are installed though
[07:33] <mgedmin> there's no package called 'ubuntu-online-accounts'; what's the proper name?
[07:33] <mgedmin> if the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage doesn't conflict with it I very likely still have it installed
[07:34] <darkxst> its gnome-control-center-signon or something like that
[07:35] <darkxst> we don't conflict with it, so if you transitioned from normal ubuntu yeh it would still be
[07:39] <mgedmin> ah, ok, so empathy merges accounts from both sources
[07:39] <mgedmin> and all I have to do is re-add all my accounts
[07:43] <mgedmin> I don't know why I assumed it would use either one source or the other but not both :)
[07:45] <darkxst> mgedmin, it works with either, but not both at once (i believe)
[07:45] <darkxst> and probably UOA get priority over GOA
[07:45] <darkxst> ^possibly
[07:46] <mgedmin> I was just looking at my empathy accounts list with both google accounts (one entered via UOA, one entered via GOA)
[07:46] <mgedmin> the UOA one stopped working after the upgrade (AFAIU it just needs a google OAUTH reauthorization, but I can't reach the UI for it), the GOA one works just dandy!
[07:47] <mgedmin> so, awesome and many thanks
[09:04] <Emery> Morning
[09:09] <darkxst> Hi Emery
[09:09] <Emery> Well I remember when #ubuntu was this sparse, new distro. Exciting eh
[09:12] <darkxst> yeh things seem to be going well!
[09:14] <Emery> I assume it's your project ? I wasn't a fan of the butchered version ubuntu rolled out of the gnome3 fallback
[09:14] <darkxst> Emery, fallback is long gone
[09:15] <Emery> heh I love the old fallback, quite a fan of Gnome2 still
[09:15] <darkxst> Gnome Classic is supposed to cater for that
[09:15] <Emery> MATE does a good enough job of Gnome2
[09:16] <darkxst> right, but this distro is about gnome3 + gnome-shell ;)
[09:16] <Emery> Ha I wasn't talking about this distro ;)
[09:19] <Emery> How big is your team darkxst
[09:24] <darkxst> Still quite small
[09:25] <darkxst> Although we do have a lot of testers thanks to Ali ;)
[09:26] <Emery> Ah sweet
[09:26] <Emery> I work/with Kubuntu (support)
[09:27] <Emery> with/for/
[09:27] <darkxst> oh cool
[09:28] <Emery> only the best jobs can you work, and IRC ;)
[11:59] <cyberalex4life> hello
[11:59] <cyberalex4life> can anyone help me with something?
[12:01] <bjsnider> mgedmin, the bug in empathy-accounts is known
[12:01] <bjsnider> it i mmediately segfaults
[12:02] <cyberalex4life> sudo watch -n 1  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[12:02] <cyberalex4life> this command should tell me the instantanious cpu frequency
[12:03] <bjsnider> don't ask to ask dude
[12:03] <cyberalex4life> well the ideea is that I am using Ubuntu Gnome 13.10
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> and I have an i7 3610Qm processor
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> on my laptop. The frequency is never higher than 2301000
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> with that command
[12:05] <cyberalex4life> it should go at least 3 maybe 3.1 Ghz
[12:07] <oswald-p> Hi all
[12:09] <oswald-p> I was wondering if someone is expericing issues with evolution language pack
[12:09] <oswald-p> In my install evolution menus are in english but my system is configured in french.
[12:32] <clepto> Hello! I'm interested in developing for ubuntu-gnome. What language do you use?
[12:33] <bjsnider> english
[12:34] <clepto> bjsnider: funny.. programming language :)
[12:35] <cyberalex4life> well I saw many things in python
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> c++ probably is another choice
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> javascript
[12:37] <clepto> nice
[12:37] <clepto> cyberalex4life: any link indicating where can I start?
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> even bash scripts are very usefull
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> no link
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> look out there
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> start with what you like
[12:38] <clepto> cyberalex4life: no bugs or anything?
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> this should keep going as passion is more powerfull than somebody elses opinion
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> u can take a look at some bash scripts books out there
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> it will help you understand commands
[12:41] <clepto> cyberalex4life: I'm already familiar with programming.. mostly python
[12:42] <bjsnider> all we're basically doing here is packaging
[12:42] <bjsnider> if you want to do something in gnome that's a different thing
[12:43] <bjsnider> gnome's core devs are not in this channel and don't use ubuntu
[12:43] <clepto> bjsnider: so where should I go?
[12:44] <bjsnider> not sure what your agenda is
[12:44] <clepto> I want to contribute to gnome
[12:45] <bjsnider> contribute what specifically
[12:45] <clepto> code...
[12:45] <bjsnider> are you trying to add a feature you think is missing, are you trying to fix a bug...
[12:46] <clepto> whatever they need... I don't have a personal list... If I can do it I will...
[12:47] <clepto> it doesn't matter if its a feature or a bug
[12:47] <bjsnider> welll, if you want to browse gnome's code it's here: https://git.gnome.org/browse/
[12:47] <bjsnider> if you want to ask about fixing bugs or whatever go to gimpnet and #gnome-shell
[12:48] <bjsnider> there are bugs related to packaging that we have here i'm sure
[12:48] <bjsnider> those are makefiles and bash scripts
[12:48] <bjsnider> it's hard to narrow anything down with no specific goals
[12:49] <clepto> bjsnider: ok thanks!
[12:52] <slawko> hello, I have a question, is it possible to reinstall Ubuntu Gnome with clearing all the settings specified before, but without losing my personal data? Or do I have to do a backup?
[12:53] <slawko> I mean settings specified for all programmes
[12:54] <bjsnider> slawko, there are configuration files and a dconf db that can just be moved out of the way so that defaults are put in their place next time you log in
[12:56] <slawko> I get it, but for example after reinstalling Ubuntu, and changing a password, all callendar settings messed up, as i know it is implemented into shell
[12:56] <slawko> Does it make any diffrence? Or is it included into that db you mentioned?
[12:58] <bjsnider> messed up?
[13:00] <slawko> yep, it asks for passwd all the time, and i can't figure out, what passwd it really wants, each passwd I type, calendar passwd, system passwd etc. it claims it is invalid one
[13:01] <mgedmin> could be the keyring password?  in theory it should be the same as your login password
[13:01] <mgedmin> but if you change it, and something went wrong, then keyring might not have gotten the new password
[13:01] <slawko> mgedmin: i thought so, but it appears invalid
[13:02] <slawko> mgedmin: is there any solution for that problem?
[13:02] <mgedmin> well, we haven't really diagnosed the problem yet
[13:02] <slawko> :)
[13:02] <mgedmin> what does the password popup say, precisely?
[13:02] <mgedmin> if it's the keyring, you can run Seahorse and see if it lets you e.g. change the keyring master password
[13:02] <mgedmin> IIRC
[13:03] <slawko> that's the problem: nothing, it just asks again and again
[13:03] <mgedmin> ouch
[13:04] <mgedmin> but you can IRC
[13:04] <mgedmin> are you using two computers, or ... ?
[13:04] <slawko> yep, I'm on windows now
[13:04] <bjsnider> this would be an annoyance to say the least
[13:05] <slawko> but, let me say again, I can login to ubuntu etc
[13:05] <slawko> I just can't synchronize the calendar :)
[13:06] <slawko> I'm sorry for innacurate description
[13:11] <slawko> mgedmin: I have to go, I'm sorry for bothering you, but thank you for help.
[13:12] <mgedmin> "cannot login" is a good enough (and painful!) description
[13:12] <slawko> you're right
[13:12] <mgedmin> I'd call it a serious bug actually
[13:12] <mgedmin> hmm, is it gnome-shell that provides those auth dialogs, I wonder?
[13:13] <slawko> i forgot to mention about a calendar :)
[13:13] <mgedmin> whichever component it is, it should not let apps keep spamming you
[13:13] <mgedmin> with password prompts
[13:13] <slawko> it is definately a gnome-shell popup
[13:14] <mgedmin> anyway; directories you want to move out of the way in order to reset all settings to default are: ~/.config/, and probably lots more
[13:14] <mgedmin> ~/.local/ perhaps
[13:14] <mgedmin> worth a try
[13:14] <mgedmin> now, how to move them away, if you can't log in?
[13:15] <mgedmin> try a different session maybe?  or the text console (ctrl+alt+f1, log in, mv .config .config.BAD; mv .local .local.BAD; ctrl+alt+f7, try logging in again)
[13:15] <slawko> ok, I'll try it
[13:16] <slawko> If you will be present in the evening, I'll inform you about the effects :)
[13:16] <slawko> for now, thank you for help :)
[13:16] <mgedmin> I might, or someone else might help you
[13:16] <mgedmin> hmm, nothing in gnome 3 should be using ~/.gconf, but it may be worth moving aside as well, just in case
[13:17] <slawko> ok
[13:17] <slawko> i'm going for now
[13:17] <mgedmin> hm, ~/.gnome , ~/.gnome2, ~/.gnome2_private too?
[13:17]  * mgedmin is going through all 174 of his dotfiles/dot directories and looking for suspicious ones
[13:18] <mgedmin> and that's it
[13:18] <mgedmin> moving these aside should suffice
[13:19] <slawko> great
[13:19] <mgedmin> BTW ~/.local is supposed to contain data, not settings (things like addressbooks), but you never know
[13:19] <mgedmin> so don't just remove it
[13:20] <mgedmin> maybe keep it in place first; if that doesn't help, then rename it
[13:20] <slawko> mhm, i get it, ill just rename it
[13:20] <mgedmin> your calendar lives in ~/.local too, BTW
[13:22] <slawko> ok, that was a comprehensive answer for my question :)
[13:22] <slawko> mgedmin: thanks, and bye!
[13:22] <mgedmin> o/
[16:24] <mgedmin> speaking about bugs in the PPA packages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283
[16:25] <mgedmin> oh, I just looked at the URL and realized ubuntu-bug filed it against the PPA, not against ubuntu's gnome-control-center
[16:25] <mgedmin> so the right people will see it
[16:25] <mgedmin> never mind (but please fix that bug, it should be trivial)
[17:08] <loki_> so i just upgraded to ubuntygnome 13.10 and all the gnome animations are very jerky
[17:09] <loki_> anyone had the same experience?
[17:20] <Forage> I ran into a gnome-control-center issue a few days back. After talking about it in the gnome channel mgedmin found the cause and solution for it. It appears to be introduced by the gnome3 team: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283
[17:53] <Forage> I noticed bugs reported through ubuntu-bug are all assigned to the ubuntu-gnome project, not providing a way to assign it to a specific project. Like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243329 which is a gnome-control-center issue. Am I overlooking something?
[17:54] <Forage> assign to a specific package that is
[18:53] <mgedmin> Forage, that's only for packages from the gnome3 PPA
[19:23] <qubit01> hey all, I booted up my laptop this morning as usual thats connected to a 24 inch ViewSonic, now the most resolution I can get out of the second monitor is 1024x768.  I'm trying xrandr to manually set it but nothing is taking, ideas ?
[19:23] <qubit01> running 13.04
[19:37] <bei> hi. what would be the best channel be for asking a question about gnome extensions?
[19:41] <bjsnider> probably #gnome-shell on gimpnet
[19:41] <bjsnider> depending on the question
[19:44] <bei> bjsnider: yeah, i decided to try gnome-shell. thanks
[19:46] <calisto3001> hello there :) This is by far the best distro, at least, regarding my criteria of best distro and want I really value in a system :) Ubuntu + Gnome-Shelll is such a great combination. Thanks a lot to all the team
[19:49] <calisto3001> Btw, if you install Delorean-Dark-theme for gtk3 and personalize firefox with gnome-black theme you'll get such a beautiful desktop :) . Afeter installing the nvidia driver plymouth wasnt working, but i managed, with the help of some search, to fix it. It's simply fantastic. Thanks a lot again
[20:51] <isiah> I have some questions regarding issues with online accounts.
[21:06] <darkxst> !ask
[21:07] <isiah> Ok
[21:08] <isiah> When I try to connect my Facebook account through the "Settings > Online Accounts" menu system, it does accept my info as being correct, but then I see a warning at the bottom of the desktop saying that there was an authentication error
[21:09] <isiah> I couldn't really find anything helpful through any Google searches.
[21:09] <darkxst> isiah, its a know issue
[21:09] <darkxst> I believe facebook chat will work if you add it as a jabber account
[21:11] <darkxst> isiah, Bug 1222586
[21:11] <isiah> Ok. I did notice that several people had a variety of issues via Jabber, but I couldn't find anything concrete enough to say that the desktop account whatever had issues.
[21:11] <isiah> Thanks, by the way.
[21:13] <darkxst> there is an upstream patch that might help this
[21:22] <bjsnider> could some one do me a favour
[21:22] <bjsnider> open an image file, a jpg for instance
[21:23] <isiah> Sure.
[21:23] <bjsnider> at the bottom of the resulting window there's a percentage
[21:23] <bjsnider> what is it?
[21:23] <isiah> Are you specifically looking at 13.10?
[21:24] <isiah> One is 62%, another 96%, and the third I opened was 47%.
[21:24] <isiah> I'm guessing that is the zoom.
[21:25] <isiah> I can give the sizes if needed
[21:25] <bjsnider> open one that is a smaller resolution than your screen space please
[21:26] <isiah> Would an .xpm suffice (an icon)?
[21:27] <bjsnider> as long as it opens with gnome-image-viewer
[21:27] <isiah> Ok. It is 100% (48x48)
[21:28] <bjsnider> no, that won't work
[21:28] <bjsnider> it's smaller than the window can be resized
[21:29] <bjsnider> it will have to be at least say 400x400
[21:29] <isiah> Ok...I would have to look one up real quick
[21:31] <isiah> 600x400: 98%
[21:31] <isiah> My screen resolution is clearly bigger than that.
[21:32] <bjsnider> there is space on all 4 sides of the window, right?
[21:32] <bjsnider> you can movie it around. there was nothing forcing the window to be that small?
[21:32] <isiah> On the sides, yes.
[21:33] <isiah> And no, I can't move it around.
[21:33] <bjsnider> what about on the top and bottom?
[21:33] <isiah> And no, I can't move it around.
[21:33] <bjsnider> what kind of screen is this, a phone?
[21:33] <isiah> I meant no. (stupid arrow)
[21:33] <isiah> It is a notebook.
[21:34] <bjsnider> i need someone to test this that doesn't have such a small resolution. at least 1280x1024 i would think
[21:34] <isiah> My screen resolution is 1366x768
[21:34] <isiah> Is that good enough?
[21:35] <bjsnider> why is there no space at the top and bottom of a 600 pixel image if your screen is twice that much?
[21:35] <isiah> I don't know.
[21:35] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the window, not the image
[21:36] <bjsnider> the window, including the titlebar, the menubar, the status bar
[21:37] <isiah> There is not space between the image and the bars, but the bars are normal.
[21:37] <isiah> And for this 400x400 image I have up right now, it is at 98%
[21:38] <isiah> There is some space between the image and the sides, though.
[21:39] <isiah> Should I send you a screenshot?
[21:39] <bjsnider> no
[21:39] <isiah> ok
[21:41] <bjsnider> obvious question: why isn't it 100%
[21:41] <isiah> I don't know.
[21:41] <isiah> I'm not a dev working on this...most of what I do is test things.
[21:52] <bjsnider> this isn't the first time eog has had  a bug about opening images scaled down and blurry
[21:52] <bjsnider> i'm sure this was a problem in 3.8 as well
[21:52] <isiah> I never really saw it as a massive issue, though
[21:53] <isiah> But yeah, if my memory serves me correctly, I saw scaled down images in 3.8 as well
[21:55] <bjsnider> when it's scaled down it gets blurry
[21:57] <isiah> Yes, it does. The more zoomed in it gets, the blurrier it gets. It isn't a black-and-white distinction, but it is fairly obvious.
[22:08] <isiah> Where would be the best channel to ask about Empathy-specific issues
[22:08] <isiah> ?
[22:19] <MadNeX> strange


[11:56] <Stevethepirate> Intel onboard now.. had a 7600gtx.. but causing heat problems [hence the rapid removale of it :(]  .. so reconfigured xorf.conf for new card....
[11:56] <MasterShrek> santander, does it show up twice in lsmod?  try: lsmod | grep 3c59x
[11:56] <MasterShrek> notgod, youll need to use sudo to edit the file
[11:56] <Ishakabibble_> !xgl
[11:56] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:56] <Stevethepirate> meh?
[11:57] <Stevethepirate> MasterShrek: was that at me?
[11:57] <notgod> MasterShrek: same problem after removing splash
[11:57] <MasterShrek> not sure Stevethe1irate sounds like you need to get your gfx card installed correctly, you could try changing the driver to vesa in xorg.conf
[11:57] <MasterShrek> no it wasnt before Stevethe1irate
[11:57] <santander> MasterShrek : it shows up as itself, and also after mii, so i guess mii uses it? that is at least the same as in the previous install
[11:57] <MasterShrek> Stevethepirate*** damn tab completion
[11:58] <Stevethepirate> driver is 'intel'
[11:58] <P_Kable> what is the command to know everything about a hard drive ? specially the real size ?
[11:58] <Stevethepirate> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <P_Kable> please
[11:58] <Stevethepirate> sudo fdisk -l P_Kable
[11:58] <MasterShrek> Stevethepirate, make it vesa
[11:58] <Stevethepirate> kk
[11:58] <coucou123456> /leave
[11:58] <santander> MasterShrek i piped the output of lsmod to a file to compare in case of probs
[11:59] <Stevethepirate> trying sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart now..
[11:59] <MasterShrek> santander, is it the same kernel in both installs?
[11:59] <notgod> MasterShrek: even going into recovery mode has the same problem. heh
[11:59] <P_Kable> Stevethepirate=>  sudo fdisk -l /mountpoint ??
[11:59] <MasterShrek> i would make sure that in the new install the kernel is at least as new as the old one
[11:59] <Aaron`> helllo
[12:00] <MasterShrek> notgod, does it boot at all, or right away it screws up?
[12:00] <MasterShrek> P_Kable, no, just type: sudo fdisk -l
[12:00] <santander> MasterShrek : the previous was ubuntu 7.04 desktop, and the current is ubuntu 7.04 server, so i think it is the same kernell
[12:00] <Stevethepirate> MasterShrek: okay.. it goes black for a few seconds
[12:00] <ppl_can_b_kool> Aaron`: hi :)
[12:00] <cbox> hi guys
[12:00] <Stevethepirate> then looks like its changing resolution, then fails
[12:00] <MasterShrek> santander, interesting, do you have the kernel-modules package installed?
[12:00] <Aaron`> CAN Sum1 help my ubuntu
[12:00] <notgod> MasterShrek: right after "Starting Up..." and it boots, but no default ssh installed, so I can tell it's up because I can ping it and hit the LAMP server.
[12:01] <Aaron`> can someone help me install my ubuntu cd
[12:01] <cbox> im wondering if there is someone here who knows how to decipher a BootChart png?
[12:01] <Stevethepirate> MasterShrek: like, with 'intel' it loaded, then craashed when logging in, now it doens't load X :(
[12:01] <MasterShrek> Stevethe1irate, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:01] <Stevethepirate> with vesa?
[12:01] <Aaron`> my brother told me to install ubuntu because it's better or something, but i like windows. i heard linox was crap compared to it
[12:01] <MasterShrek> Stevethepirate, either way, if it doesnt work with one try the other
[12:01] <Aaron`> its meant to be hard work and why do you have a gnomes on your desktop
[12:02] <santander> MasterShrek : i dont know, i tried to apt-get 'kernel-modules' but it replies couldn't find package kernel-modules :/
[12:02] <Aaron`> PLEASE HELP
[12:02] <Winball> Aaron` stay with windows please
[12:02] <MasterShrek> lol
[12:02] <Ishakabibble_> hi guys and gals, I'm having a problem with the update manager. It keeps telling me to upgrade Compiz, but the weird thing is that every time I install the upgrade, the update manager still keeps on telling me to upgrade Compiz even though I have just done an upgrade. Does anyone know what the matter could be?
[12:02] <musashi> MasterShrek, i got wireless working, but my sound works sometimes sometimes it doesnt
[12:02] <joshjosh> Aaron`, apt-get update first
[12:02] <Stevethepirate> !shouting | Aaron`
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shouting - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:03] <Stevethepirate> !caps | Aaron`
[12:03] <Aaron`> shut up
[12:03] <ubotu> Aaron`: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[12:03] <Aaron`> i don't care, you can read uppercase just as well.
[12:03] <cafuego> !ohmy | Aaron`
[12:03] <ubotu> Aaron`: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:03] <unagi> BUT CAPS GETS MORE ATTENTION!
[12:03] <Aaron`> i just need help with my ubuntuz
[12:03] <MasterShrek> Aaron`, if you want help then be nice to people
[12:03] <santander> lol unagi
[12:03] <E-mu> MasterShrek here is the message I get. tty turned off; cannot access job control
[12:03] <Stevethepirate> Aaron` sounds like a drunk 13 year old..
[12:03] <cbox> i have a bootchart picture and i'm trying to figure out where my system is bogging down on startup. anyone help?
[12:03] <preaction> !attitude | Aaron`
[12:03] <ubotu> Aaron`: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:03] <E-mu> is there a way to fix that?
[12:03] <Ishakabibble_> Does anyone know what my problem is?
[12:03] <Aaron`> i'm trying but why should i install ubuntu when windows is also good
[12:03] <MasterShrek> Stevethepirate, agreed
[12:03] <unagi> its true =/
[12:03] <Aaron`> i want to learn other operational systems