[00:03] <gennro> don't own an ipod
[00:03] <gennro> my droid 2 works fine though
[00:06] <Sethiroth> hi
[00:06] <gennro> hi
[00:06] <Sethiroth> i am wondering how i could make a Icon for Tibia
[00:06] <Sethiroth> on my desktop
[00:06] <Sethiroth> or shortcut
[00:06] <Sethiroth> that
[00:07] <Sethiroth> opens up terminal and browses to /home/MYname/tibia
[00:07] <Sethiroth> then launchs tibia
[00:08] <Sethiroth> anyone ?
[00:09] <DeltaEpsilon> is it possible to make the task bar in kde like the super bar in win 7/?
[00:11] <Sethiroth> kinda
[00:11] <Sethiroth> lol
[00:11] <Sethiroth> Like icons ?
[00:11] <Sethiroth> or
[00:11] <Sethiroth> Why anyways
[00:11] <sithlord48> using kde?
[00:12] <Sethiroth> yah
[00:12] <sithlord48> put an icon in your folder and use properties to set the icon for sed folder. idk if it will work w/ every program , but all kde ones should display your icon
[00:12] <sithlord48> has to be Png iirc
[00:13] <sithlord48> sorry click the icon in properties to change it use a stock one or "browse" for a png
[00:13] <Sethiroth> can anyone solve my problem
[00:13] <Sethiroth> ?
[00:13] <sithlord48> oh you want a shortcut on ur "desktop?
[00:13] <Sethiroth> no i want it to open up
[00:13] <Sethiroth> terminal
[00:14] <Sethiroth> type cd /home/sethiroth/Tibia
[00:14] <Sethiroth> then
[00:14] <Sethiroth> .Tibia
[00:14] <Sethiroth> to launch it then close terminal
[00:14] <Sethiroth> but as one icon i cant put anyone
[00:14] <sithlord48> shell script ?
[00:14] <Sethiroth> si
[00:15] <Sethiroth> yes
[00:15] <sithlord48> make a shell script , make it execuitable. change its icon as described above
[00:15] <Sethiroth> ok
[00:16] <sithlord48> you will have to have a "folder view" containment for your desktop or add it to your kmenu so you can put it on the "desktop" containment
[00:16] <Sethiroth> soo would i basicly write cd /home/sethiroth/tibia
[00:16] <Sethiroth> then
[00:16] <Sethiroth> ./tibia on diffrent lin
[00:16] <Sethiroth> e
[00:16] <sithlord48> tibia is excutiable already ?
[00:17] <Sethiroth> ?
[00:17] <sithlord48> ./tibia (you want to run a program named tibia ?)
[00:17] <Sethiroth> its a game
[00:17] <Sethiroth> soo yah
[00:17] <Sethiroth> but i cant run it by the shell provided
[00:18] <Sethiroth> i need to do in manually for some reason
[00:19] <sithlord48> ok right click your game's executable and select properties be sure its got "is executeable" checked
[00:19] <Daskreech> Sethiroth: what have you tried?
[00:19] <Sethiroth> it is already executeable
[00:19] <sithlord48> that should remove teh need for a terminal to run it by using ./ before the name
[00:20] <sithlord48> so you can click on it to start it ?
[00:20] <Sethiroth> it attempts then closes
[00:20] <sithlord48> but it works correctly if you use a terminal
[00:20] <Sethiroth> yes
[00:21] <sithlord48> thats weird
[00:22] <DeltaEpsilon> kde 4.6.3 is very smooth
[00:22] <gennro> very
[00:23] <Daskreech> Sethiroth: You tried a link to application already?
[00:23] <wn1zid> is there a site dl for that ?
[00:24] <wn1zid> ppa
[00:25] <wn1zid> nvm
[00:25] <Daskreech> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-463
[00:27] <Sethiroth> sorry dark what you mean link
[00:32] <kavurt> anybody uses google talk with kopete?
[00:35] <Sethiroth> yah
[00:35] <Sethiroth> me
[00:35] <Sethiroth> if your wondering
[00:36] <Sethiroth> its under jabbba
[00:38] <kavurt> Sethiroth: can you use video chat?
[00:38] <Sethiroth> never try it why >
[00:38] <kavurt> i need it
[00:39] <Sethiroth> i dont think you can
[00:39] <Sethiroth> go use pidgen
[00:40] <Sethiroth> sorry pidgin
[00:40] <Sethiroth> in my view its alot better
[00:40] <Sethiroth> xD
[00:45] <DeltaEpsilon> kde4 in general is smooth. Only the app Ktorrent is a bit laggy
[00:49] <gennro> yeah, pretty solid after all the updates and tweaks I do are done
[00:49] <DeltaEpsilon> when I go to the website kde-apps.org with Rekonq, it asks me to save the file   safari.jsp
[00:49] <DeltaEpsilon> can some one confirm this problem?
[00:50] <gennro> never seen it but I don't use Rekonq
[00:50] <DeltaEpsilon> gennro: firefox looks very ugly in KDE4
[00:51] <gennro> you gotta install the kde intergration and branding then install some GTK themes for it
[00:51] <szal> Rekonq seems to have a lot of issues
[00:52] <gennro> chrome works just as well too
[00:52] <szal> DeltaEpsilon: while you're at it..  if you call 2 arbitrary sites after each other (in the same tab), then use the Back button to go back to the 1st page, can you interact with the 1st site then (click links, scroll, enter text)?
[00:52] <pooky_> hello guys
[00:52] <pooky_> and gals
[00:53] <gennro> hi
[00:54] <shane4kubuntu> how do I see my machine specs, like ram, and type and processor etc.
[00:54] <shane4kubuntu> ^ in a gui way?
[00:54] <DeltaEpsilon> szal: no problem here
[00:55] <shane4kubuntu> szal: are the same as in documentfoundation?
[00:56] <szal> shane4kubuntu: it's the same IRC network, so go figure ;)
[00:56] <szal> pooky__: are you done anytime soon?
[00:57] <shane4kubuntu> szal: lol. :)  I figured, but I'm not very irc educated yet, apparently not very kde educated either.
[00:57] <shane4kubuntu> I was a gnomer.
[00:58] <DeltaEpsilon> some times kde4 still lags using my Intel HD card
[00:58] <pooky__> done? wtf do u mean
[00:58] <DeltaEpsilon> any way to optimize kde4 for Intel HD
[00:58] <szal> pooky__: joining, parting, joining, parting, etc. etc.
[00:58] <szal> some call it IRC sex ;)
[00:59] <pooky__> i have no fucking clue what ur talking bout
[00:59] <shane4kubuntu> !language.
[00:59] <pooky__> sorry
[00:59] <shane4kubuntu> !language
[01:00] <pooky__> ok im sorry bot
[01:00] <szal> pooky__: http://privatepaste.com/55a16e4e0c
[01:00] <shane4kubuntu> ahh, kinfocenter, found it
[01:02] <pooky__> ok im sorry bot
[01:02] <pooky__> szal u dont like me
[01:04] <gennro> yup
[01:07] <DeltaEpsilon> can some one recommend me a light weight torrent client for kde4?
[01:07] <gennro> ktorrent
[01:08] <DeltaEpsilon> that is not light weight
[01:08] <gennro> compared to?
[01:10] <DeltaEpsilon> gennro: to utorrent for example
[01:11] <gennro> qbittorrent
[01:12] <gennro> http://qbittorrent.sourceforge.net/
[01:13] <gennro> seems to be exactly what you are looking for
[01:15] <gennro> wooooooooooooooooo
[01:22] <briandw1969> why cant i access games i installed from the package manager?
[02:33] <aaronth> hello?
[03:27] <mrafcho001> Hey, I'm having a weird bug where I can only run (some) 32 bit applications as root, and cant run them under my current user
[03:27] <mrafcho001> It seems like its looking for some shared libraries under /usr/lib rather than /usr/lib32/, does anyone know whats going on?
[03:30] <Daskreech> mrafcho001: are the configs for those programs owned by you or root?
[03:31] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: configs? Everything should be owned by me
[03:32] <Daskreech> mrafcho001: You may want to check on that
[03:33] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: how would I go about doing that?
[03:33] <Daskreech> if it somehow got written to by root and changed to being owned by root then you would not be able to run the programs anymore only root could
[03:33] <Daskreech> I don't know you'd have to check the program
[03:33] <Daskreech> Opening ~ and viewing hidden files is a good start
[03:34] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: I'm trying to run either Meerkat SecondLife viewer or Hippo SecondLife viewer.  Meerkat is a .bz2 download and simply extract to desired location and run the meerkat executable
[03:35] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: Hippo has some installation to it, but its virtually the same thing
[03:35] <Daskreech> mrafcho001: look in your ~ for configs for them
[03:36] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: actually meerkat doesn't run under root either. Only Hippo runs under root.  Perhaps its a system wide problem?
[03:37] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: and yes, I see their config files
[03:37] <Daskreech> who owns them?
[03:37] <mrafcho001> Daskreech: its all owned by me
[03:37] <Daskreech> Ok that's good
[03:54] <wn1zid> how to bounce emails with Evolution ??  any one know how to or direct me to a site with instructions ? thanks
[04:54] <skierpage> I insert an audio CD, and Kubuntu 11.04 doesn't have an action to play it with VLC!  Grrrr.
[04:54] <skierpage> So I futzed around in Device Actions to add a similar one for VLC.      There are a bunch of "Open with VLC media player" actions in System Settings > Device Actions, but none in the Device Notifier menu, just Play audio CD with Amarok.
[05:05] <skierpage> jmichaelx, who knows.  11.04 internet audio has been pretty OK for me.  Phonon -> GStreamer -> PulseAudio -> ALSA -> VIA 8237 sound chip, what could possibly go wrong :-)
[05:05] <jmichaelx> eh, exactly
[05:06] <jmichaelx> does 11.04 switch away from xine?
[05:06] <skierpage> hmm, although I guess VLC doesn't (?) go through Phonon? I spent hours debugging 10.04 audio, I guess happy days are here again ;-)
[05:07] <jmichaelx> skierpage: all i can say is 'good luck. i fix MOST of my audio problems by ditching pulseaudio.... for me that has been a very dependable fix
[05:09] <jmichaelx> skierpage: did kubunt actually switch away from xine in 11.04?
[05:09] <jmichaelx> kubuntu*
[05:14] <fabio_> hi
[05:45] <dan_l> !quassel
[05:46] <dan_l> has anybody broken quassel after upgrading?
[05:48] <bigbrovar> dan_l: upgrading from which version to which?
[05:48] <bigbrovar> quassel runs fine after upgrading from kde 4.6.2 to kde 4.6.3 if thats what u mean
[05:48] <dan_l> bigbrovar:  10.10 to 11.04
[05:50] <bigbrovar> dan_l: I wouldn't know. and tbh I never upgrade, been using linux for close to 3 years now and have only upgraded once (still had issues) I always do a clean install. and the only folder I have backed up is my kopete and kmail  folders. even if I dont wipe my home directory. I always make sure to delete .kde and in fact other hidden folders.
[05:50] <dan_l> Hmm.
[05:51] <dan_l> Bigbrovar:  You're probably the smartest of all of us.
[05:51] <bigbrovar> dan_l: It helps me from feeling paranoid when things don't work right
[05:51] <dan_l> Bigbrovar:  would you check what port you're connecting to irc.ubuntu.com at?  (noob question, I know)
[05:52] <bigbrovar> because that way I know am running from a pristine buld
[05:52] <zen_monkey> hi
[05:52] <dan_l> For giggles, I put otherbuntu up on a vbox.
[05:52] <bigbrovar> dan_l: oh am connected to freenode, and I use port 6667
[05:52] <zen_monkey> is there any known caveat to upgrading to 10.0 with TNT2? ...X is complaining :D and not starting
[05:53] <zen_monkey> http://pastebin.com/1pategYF
[05:53] <zen_monkey> there the log
[05:53] <bigbrovar> dan_l: the other ports (which I think is for if u want to use a secured connection) never worked for me
[05:53] <dan_l> so what could be going wrong here.  Seriously.
[05:54] <bigbrovar> zen_monkey: upgrading from which version ? 10.10?
[05:56] <bigbrovar> I am having problems getting amarok to see my android device (or any device whatso ever) in masstorage mode on kubuntu natty. clemetine sees them fine with no problem. anyone else experience this?
[05:57] <bigbrovar> I installed amarok 2.3.4 and still having the same issue, even though masstorage, and mpt plugins are all checked
[05:58] <bigbrovar> mtp*
[06:00] <dan_l> BigBrovar:  which android device?
[06:00] <dan_l> BigBrovar:  more to the point, which android version?
[06:00] <bigbrovar> dan_l: samsung galaxy S with android 2.3.3
[06:01] <bigbrovar> I dont think its an android problem, even a common usb stick does not show in masstorage mode. I dont have this problem in clementine
[06:02] <bigbrovar> now I just switched the device from masstorage to mtp mode and this time amarok sees it but marks it as 0 tracks
[06:03] <dan_l> I had some whacky things happen with this:  is your music buried?
[06:04] <bigbrovar> dan_l: what u mean buried? all my music are stored in a folder called Music on my sd card
[06:05] <bigbrovar> I even created the .is_audio file which amarok doesn't seem to respect  but clementine does
[06:05] <dan_l> bigbrovar:  most of my problems came in because all of my music was stored 2 folders deep
[06:05] <dan_l> very odd
[06:05] <bigbrovar> can u see masstorage devices on amarok?
[06:05] <dan_l> hang on one second.
[06:06] <ryan__> only if its already converted to mp3
[06:06] <ryan__> u can install rhythem box
[06:06] <ryan__> it works well
[06:06] <dan_l> AHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA I win at kubuntu.
[06:06] <ryan__> lol
[06:06] <dan_l> I never had any issues with it seeing the device
[06:06] <ryan__> me neither
[06:06] <ryan__> :)
[06:07] <dan_l> irony:  clementine for windoze gives me all sorts of problems.
[06:07] <bigbrovar> dan_l: so u are saying it works as in u always see a masstorage device on amarok
[06:07] <bigbrovar> hmmm
[06:07] <ryan__> me too
[06:07] <bigbrovar> I have never
[06:08] <bigbrovar> not with natty
[06:08] <bigbrovar> nothing comes up
[06:08] <dan_l> So, has anybody actually tried otherubuntu ?   Because I did.  And I am now 10000% certain that swithcing to KDE was the right move.
[06:08] <bigbrovar> even if I mount the usb
[06:08] <ryan__> lol
[06:08] <ryan__> u mean unity?
[06:08] <dan_l> BigBrovar:  I always see the mass storage device _except_ when I boot the computer with the phone plugged in.
[06:09] <dan_l> Unity, plus that stupid stuff they did before by moving the window controls to the left hand side of the screen.
[06:09] <bigbrovar> and what version of kubuntu 11.04?
[06:09] <dan_l> Look, it's all about choice.  Freedom and such.  that just so happens to be a bad choice:)
[06:09] <ryan__> yea
[06:09] <dan_l> 11.04, natty
[06:09] <dthacker> If my wired network connection is working via dhcp, why does knetworkmanager say it's not managed?
[06:09] <ryan__> its alright
[06:09] <ryan__> but I switched to kubuntu because of it
[06:09] <ryan__> i'd go to mint gnome be it as well
[06:10] <dan_l> I'm too in love with KDE at this point.
[06:10] <dan_l> I spent my morning working at a coffee shop near my house.  KDE zen was in full effect.
[06:11] <ryan__> dthacker, did u try to turn off kwallet?
[06:11] <ryan__> then restart
[06:11] <dthacker> ryan__: no, I entered the password as asked.  10.10 by the way
[06:12] <ryan__> hmm
[06:12] <ryan__> i remember having issues so i just turned off k wallet
[06:12] <ryan__> but not sure otherwise
[06:13] <dthacker> hmmm ok, is that fixed in 11.04?
[06:14] <ryan__> lol
[06:14] <ryan__> idk...I always turn off kwallet now
[06:14] <dthacker> ryan__: ok tnx
[06:14] <ryan__> sorry I was of no help
[06:14] <ryan__> :)
[06:19] <dan__> ah
[06:19] <dan__> Does anybody remember how to make quassel go to the tray?
[06:20] <dan__> ah
[06:20] <dan__> n/m
[06:20] <dan__> I figured it out
[06:20] <dan__> I win at kubuntu again.
[06:23] <Priestone> Всем здрасти
[06:25] <Priestone> Алооо...
[07:08] <MagePsycho> hi guys
[07:08] <MagePsycho> how to use kubuntu desktop in ubuntu?
[07:10] <slooksterpsv> MagePsycho: you install KDE - I believe you install kde-base
[07:11] <slooksterpsv> MagePsycho: you could just install kubuntu-desktop though as well, if you search the software center i'll show it to you if you search for kubuntu-desktop
[07:11] <MagePsycho> graphically.. kubuntu desktop is better than ubutnu desktop?
[07:12] <aperson> MagePsycho⋗ that's a matter of opinion
[07:12] <aperson> anyone know what I need to have installed for dolphin to rip to mp3?
[07:13] <slooksterpsv> again depends on the user, personally I like the look and feel on ubuntu
[07:13] <MagePsycho> yes but .. i want your opinion
[07:13] <aperson> the option was there originally, but it's gone now
[07:13] <MagePsycho> ubuntu classic or unity?
[07:13] <slooksterpsv> Ubuntu classic, I do not like Unity
[07:13] <aperson> so in other words, you like gnome
[07:14] <slooksterpsv> Yup I'm a Gnomey, I'm on Kubuntu but I keep finding faults with it so I'm going to Linux Mint 10
[07:14] <aperson> meh@mint
[07:15] <slooksterpsv> aperson: audiokonverter as a service in dolphin - is that what you're looking for?
[07:15] <MagePsycho> yes ubuntu unity is not so user friendlier
[07:15] <aperson> no
[07:15] <MagePsycho> than ubuntu classic
[07:16] <aperson> aha, had to install lame
[07:16] <slooksterpsv> Ubuntu Classic is awesome, Mint uses the GnoMenu instead of the standard Gnome Menu - GnoMenu can be set to look like Vista, Windows 7, customized etc.
[07:17] <aperson> and you can install it in ubuntu
[07:17] <aperson> silly people, thinking you need a separate distro just to have a different default install...
[07:17] <MagePsycho> you mean GnoMenu makes ubuntu classic more user friendlier?
[07:17] <aperson> friendly*
[07:18] <slooksterpsv> depends on the person, but in essence to people who like the look and feel of the "Windows" start menu, yes, otherwise, no
[07:19] <slooksterpsv> http://www.linuxmint.com/ - to see Linux Mint (they have various spins like XFCE, LXDE, KDE, and LMDE, besides the standard Gnome)
[07:19] <slooksterpsv> If you want the true Ubuntu look and feel, stick with Ubuntu, if you want the true Kubuntu look and feel, stick with Kubuntu
[07:20] <aperson> and if you want any of those desktops, just install them!
[07:20] <slooksterpsv> yup =D, if you want to try them out first before making any permanent decisions, install and run them in VirtualBox
[07:20] <aperson> eh, it's easy enough to just remove things
[07:21] <slooksterpsv> haha well for some maybe, I had to fresh install Kubuntu cause migrating from Lubuntu -> Xubuntu -> Kubuntu made like 6 repeat entries for HDMI audio, Analog audio, and Microphone in the Multimedia Phonon properties
[07:21] <MagePsycho> btw i am very new to ubuntu.. just installed 3 days ago
[07:21] <MagePsycho> so many things to learn
[07:21] <MagePsycho> and i thin this channel is great
[07:22] <aperson> I don't want to be that guy, but most of this talk belongs in #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:22] <slooksterpsv> true, sorry aperson you're right
[07:23] <MagePsycho> http://www.linuxmint.com/ ---> what is linux mint
[07:23] <MagePsycho> is it menu custmization tool
[07:23] <slooksterpsv> aperson: do you know where the multimedia phonon reads what audio items are installed?
[07:23] <aperson> slooksterpsv⋗ the what in the who
[07:24] <slooksterpsv> well when you go to System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon it lists all the audio outputs, do you know where it gets or creates that list from?
[07:24] <aperson> lspci maybe?
[07:26] <slooksterpsv> maybe.. I dunno
[07:27] <slooksterpsv> ok so I installed some themes through Workspace Appearance, and when I use the theme, the window borders mess up and flash
[08:20] <DeltaEpsilon> flash on kubuntu amd64 is very very slow
[08:23] <DeltaEpsilon> I don't understand. when resizing a window, Xorg uses 60% of the cpu!
[08:23] <DeltaEpsilon> that is just so wrong
[08:48] <Giro> hello hello..
[08:48] <Giro> I do have a question..
[08:48] <Giro> I've installed kubuntu 11.04, and I had to dig around to get my wifi working.
[08:49] <Giro> I was trying to installed some additional software when my laptop glitched out on graphics and now network manager is unable to see any of the network interfaces, both ethernet AND wifi
[08:49] <Giro> how can I fix this
[08:49] <Giro> I've spent the last hour looking around through google searches with no luck.
[08:50] <Giro> anyone?
[08:55] <mase_wk> Giro: firstly, this isn't always instant help
[08:55] <mase_wk> you may need to be patient
[08:56] <mase_wk> secondly open up a konsole
[08:56] <mase_wk> type ifconfig -a
[08:56] <mase_wk> and pastebin the output somewhere
[09:00] <Giro> alright, this computer has NO net connection at all..
[09:02] <Giro> I'm only geting the local loopback with the ifconfig -a command.
[09:06] <mase_wk> Giro: then the kernel modules aren't loaded
[09:07] <mase_wk> what software were you adding ?
[09:07] <mase_wk> you can try to modprobe/ insmod the drivers manually
[09:10] <Guest53292> i installed ubuntu 11.04 and now i have ubuntu and windows 7. the thing is that the first time i opened ubuntu and made the update everything was ok. but the second time i wanted to enter ubuntu i pushed the enter button in ubuntu and a black screen came up with some weird words. i let the pc for ten minutes but nothing happened it didn't let me in
[09:10] <Guest53292> it said something like http://pastebin.com/nAXdDbwa
[09:11] <Giro> mase_wk: I was trying to install firefox. >.<
[09:12] <Giro> and how do I use modprobe / insmod?
[09:12] <mase_wk> right, well i gotta head home sorry. Someone will probably take over shortly.
[09:13] <Giro> I might just say screw it and reinstlal later.
[09:43] <necmettin> hi all
[09:44] <necmettin> 1. i have kubuntu 11.04 upgraded from 10.x and since the upgrade, i have serious network lag, any redirections?
[09:54] <ucenik01> hi
[09:55] <ucenik01> asl
[10:04] <jordi_> I have a problem in kopete, I cannot add an avatar image
[10:53] <mfraz74> I'm having trouble running gtk-gnutella on a new install of Kubuntu 11.04 if the them is set to oxygen-gtk
[11:00] <mfraz74>  works if I use the qtcurve theme
[11:09] <Kaspi> hey guys
[11:11] <Kaspi> how to take a desktop screenshot on KDE? Which app would you use?
[11:11] <mfraz74> Kaspi: what happens if you press the print screen button?
[11:11] <yofel> Kaspi: ksnapshot
[11:12] <yofel> right, that should open ksnapshot
[11:12] <Kaspi> mfraz74: nothing and perhaps there's nothing even in the clipboard
[11:13] <yofel> Kaspi: which release, and what happens if you press alt+f2 and run ksnapshot?
[11:13] <mfraz74> if I press print screen here, it launches ksnapshot
[11:14] <Kaspi> it wasn't installed here, works now, thanks
[11:15] <szal> lol, didn't know Klipper content survives a reboot ^^
[11:16] <Kaspi> and... is it possible to make the windows to be transparent in general?
[11:16]  * szal tried that too and only succeeded to have inactive windows translucent as a general setting
[11:17] <yofel> Kaspi: there is a trancluceny effect in desktop effects
[11:17] <szal> it is, however, possible to make windows translucent on a per-window or per-application basis
[11:17] <yofel> an you can set the opacity per-window
[11:18] <Kaspi> *OOH SHINY*
[11:18] <szal> the general translucency settings don't have a way to regulate translucency for active windows
[11:28] <Kaspi> OK! And the last thing I'm missing since I've moved from Gnome - the "places" menu which was at the top left corner panel - I want something that I could open any filesystem bookmark with, in any time. Any suggestions?
[11:47] <Peace-> Kaspi:
[11:47] <Peace-> are you there?
[11:47] <SeanTater> Does anyone know a way to make a Kauth plugin with pure python?
[11:48] <Peace-> SeanTater: ask to #kde
[11:48] <SeanTater> ah OK, thx
[11:50] <Kaspi> Peace-: yep, what's up?
[11:58] <Peace-> Kaspi: places right ?
[11:59] <Peace-> Kaspi: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopvR2636.jpg
[12:00] <Peace-> Kaspi: other way could be add widget quick access , and set it to open /media
[12:02] <Peace-> Kaspi: and of course remember that... dolphin has his places on the left
[12:03] <Peace-> Kaspi: more here http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopvR2636.jpg for the menu
[12:04] <Peace-> Kaspi: sorry here http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopFU2636.jpg
[12:07] <yofel> mikisid_: run the nvidia installer with --uninstall, that should remove the driver, then check with debsums -s (install it first) what files were overwritten and reinstall the affected X packages
[12:08] <yofel> then delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and nouveau should work again
[12:12] <snikker|2> i'm under natty and i'm unable to use bluetooth, both built-in and external usb... can you help me?
[13:13] <goekhan> hello, i´m running kubuntu 11.04 and i would like to know if i can see in dolphin how big my home, root and swap partions are? and how full /empty they are?
[13:14] <Kaspi> Peace-: I'll check that, thanks :)
[13:15] <Peace-> goekhan: of course
[13:15] <Peace-> goekhan: :D
[13:15] <Peace-> goekhan: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/diskusage.jpeg?w=600&h=375
[13:18] <goekhan> Peace-: thank You very much! that was easy! have a nice day.
[13:18] <Peace-> :)
[13:36] <natman> hello
[13:37] <Kaspi> natman: hey
[13:38] <natman> hey, thanks /Kaspi just wanted to check i knew how to get quassel to conect, thanks for the reply
[13:38] <Kaspi> did I? oO
[13:39] <Kaspi> g2g, bbl
[13:51] <bigbrovar> Whats all the news coming from uds about Kubuntu switching to unity?
[13:57] <natman> ref
[13:58] <shane4kubuntu> WHAT?  Kubuntu -> Unity would be bad.
[13:58] <natman> is Kubuntu moving to unity??
[13:58] <shane4kubuntu> I said a while ago you will notice an influx of Kubuntu'ers because of Unity in Ubuntu, and that is happening.
[13:58] <natman> in that case whats the "K"
[13:59] <natman> I think the unity thing will settle down soon, kinda like when kubuntu made the switch to KDE4
[14:00] <bigbrovar> someone just posted on identica about kubuntu switching to unity. surely that can't be true
[14:00] <shane4kubuntu> I'm sure it will, when all the unhappy customers have left. :)  It wasn't as polished or ready for prime time as Gnome, KDE, or XFCE
[14:01] <bigbrovar> in any case anyone else having issues with their printer config tool?
[14:01] <bigbrovar> mine just doesnt work after it worked the first time.  I filed a bug and never heard anything about it again :/
[14:01] <natman>  why would it be called "K" ubuntu then?
[14:02] <bigbrovar> does anyone using kubuntu 11.04 use it with printer?
[14:02] <bigbrovar> and if yes those their printer configuration tool work?
[14:02] <natman> yes me
[14:02] <natman> hp laserjet p2015
[14:02] <natman> and plugged it in worked after 4 sec was awesome!
[14:02] <shane4kubuntu> hp laser 1022n here, and it works fine, I don't mess with the config tool
[14:03] <bigbrovar> shane4kubuntu: niether did I. It worked the first time, and after that it stopepd working filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/776224
[14:04] <bigbrovar> I can still print and new connected printers gets added automatically
[14:04] <shane4kubuntu> bigbrovar: what printer?
[14:04] <bigbrovar> but the GUI for configuring the printer is not working
[14:05] <bigbrovar> shane4kubuntu: its not really a printer issue, its the tool for managing them. that is the problem. I had to resort to managing printers via the cups web UI
[14:05] <bigbrovar> but printing works and auto configuration of new printers works
[14:05] <shane4kubuntu> hmm, I'm not sure, I'm a gnome -> kde convert, and don't know a lot about kde.
[14:06] <bigbrovar> but I can not manager existing printers. from the bug report I filed it shows am not alone
[14:06] <bigbrovar> shane4kubuntu: yeah its ok. Its just frustrating when u file a critical bug like problem with print utility and no one even bothered to look at it.
[14:09] <mren> after upgrading to 11.4 amarok isn't showing the correct id3tags for streaming media (internet live streams e.g.) -- anyway to get that back?
[14:10] <ubuntu_> hi
[14:10] <natman> hi /ubuntu_
[14:11] <ubuntu_> how change nikname?
[14:12] <natman> you using quassal?
[14:13] <Yamnik> quassal...
[14:14] <natman> Quassal -settings -IRC identities
[14:14] <natman> ahhh Quassel*
[14:14] <Yamnik> thks
[14:20] <nicolas_> Hi, I've just installed Kubuntu on my new laptop
[14:22] <natman> how did it work out ?
[14:23] <nicolas_> Greaaaaaaat, thanks!
[14:23] <nicolas_> I'm using a french keyboard. The problem I have is that I can't get the cirumflexe accent alone (to wite powers in mathematical formula). However I can write ê î and so on.
[14:23] <natman> you using LaTeX?
[14:24] <artem> Всем привет!
[14:24] <nicolas_> natman: yes, and Lyx most of the time
[14:24] <natman> could you just define a new command?
[14:24] <nicolas_> (I bought a lenovo X220, which works perfectly. Absolutly no prob with linux but the one I just mentioned)
[14:25] <natman> or pehaps there is a option to alter the keyboard in the sys-setting?
[14:25] <nicolas_> natman: well, I belive it's not a viable solution, as I would need it in several programs (like email client when writting to my students)
[14:26] <nicolas_> natman: I hope so
[14:26] <artem> Hi! People who - some say in Russian?
[14:27] <nicolas_> How does it work on english qwerti keyboards? You have it included on the keybord? And type circumflexes letters by hitting it followed by the letter?
[14:27] <natman> ok nicolas, system settings, input devices,keyboard,advanced
[14:27] <artem> help help!!!!!!!
[14:27] <natman> i think in there is some options to set new characters, never done it myself, hope it helsp
[14:27] <natman> helps
[14:28] <nicolas_> natman: I've had a quick look already, but it didn't really solve my problem :-(
[14:28] <natman> :( aww sorry
[14:31] <chazwoza> guys... i found a couple of things googling that indicate KDE is slow on intel graphics cards ... is this true?
[14:31] <chazwoza> ive tried kubuntu 10.10, 11.04, on my thinkpad with intel
[14:31] <chazwoza> and its slow
[14:32] <natman> how do i highlight a message to another user?
[14:32] <nicolas_> chazwoza: My laptop is very new, but KDE works super great with intel
[14:32] <chazwoza> mine is brand new too
[14:32] <chazwoza> quad core
[14:32] <chazwoza> 8 gb ram
[14:33] <chazwoza> gnome is lightning fast
[14:33] <chazwoza> kde just seems to slug
[14:33] <chazwoza> im trying to work out if its kde, kubuntu, or my laptop
[14:35] <natman> /chazwoza how slow?
[14:35] <chazwoza> like a windows machine thats been running a few months :)
[14:36] <chazwoza> just menu's etc have a slight delay
[14:36] <chazwoza> moving things around is jerky
[14:36] <natman> /chazwoza take off the desktop effects, the mess the settings one by one see if any one is a trouble maker
[14:36] <chazwoza> and opening a file or running a program seems to take a lot longer than on gnome
[14:37] <chazwoza> natman: even with effects off, still sluggish
[14:37] <natman> :chazwoza ouch! ( by the way did this message highlight for you ? )
[14:37] <nicolas_> natman: You were right, I just had to digg a bit in the options. Thanks!
[14:37] <chazwoza> natman: yep it highlighted
[14:38] <natman> nicolas_:  awesome
[14:38] <natman> :chazwoza you have any/all drivers that you need? run alt+F2 type driver
[14:39] <nicolas_> So now I can recommand to all of you the Lenovo X220, it is perfect (eventhough there are some bugs reported on internet forums, but I don't know why they do not apply to mine)
[14:39] <chazwoza> will give that a go
[14:39] <chazwoza> ta
[15:06] <vanguard> I am looking for something to set up a wiki for our family on a PHP/MySQL Webspace that is easy to edit for mortals. Do you have any recommendations?
[15:13] <delac> need to get kfind back to dolphin. howto?
[15:14] <tsimpson> vanguard: mediawiki I guess, it's what wikipedia uses
[15:14] <tsimpson> or python-moinmoin which is what wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com uses
[15:15] <vanguard> tsimpson: I just read that mediawiki is useful for many users, but we just got 4
[15:15] <vanguard> tsimpson: I am not sure whether I can get python to work on that webserver …
[15:15] <tsimpson> if you can get PHP, I would think you should be able to get Python, but if not mediawiki is fine
[15:16] <tsimpson> it doesn't really matter if you have 5 or 500 users, it's still usable
[15:16] <tsimpson> I personally prefer mediawiki over moinmoin though
[15:16] <vanguard> I was going to go with DokuWiki, since that uses the PHP+MySQL Combo that I am used to
[15:17] <vanguard> tsimpson: but I will take a look at moinmoin since I like python
[15:17] <tsimpson> mediawiki also uses PHP+MySQL
[15:23] <vbgunz> I just had a really nice icon for directories. it was a blue folder with a stripe going through it. It was supposed to be oxygen but an update gave me the old ugly looking folders back. how do I get the striped directory icons back?
[15:26] <Jiggity> Anybody very good with Bacula?
[15:27] <Jiggity> Anybody even there? lol
[15:28] <vbgunz> anybody know how to turn off the monochrome icons in the system tray?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:34] <vbgunz> sup BluesKaj
[15:35] <BluesKaj> nt mch, vbgunz
[15:36] <vbgunz> hanging in there, just trying to make a few tweaks
[15:39] <BluesKaj> yeah < idid a full install then eliminated apps I'll never use ,of course nepomuk and akonadi are mimpossible to get rid of , but at least one can turn them off , mostly
[15:40] <vbgunz> nepomuk isn't serving me well. I just searched .kde looking for "theme" and "icon" and it just searches forever.. I have a pretty modern system. it's a bit frustrating
[15:46] <BluesKaj> the themes and icons are searched for on the iternet , at www.kdelook.org I think.
[15:48] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I'm looking for the actual file in .kde that changes the icon theme
[15:49] <vbgunz> nepomuk is seriously pointless and getting me quite upset. It just doesn't work
[15:49] <vbgunz> I'm searching through dolphin which uses nepomuk and it just can't find anything
[15:49] <vbgunz> stays searching forever or comes up emtpy, I can see why you don't like it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, dunno why you expect results from nepomuk,  just look in system settings/wokspace appearance
[16:00] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I'll tell you my dilemma. Oxygen had an update to it's icons that were awesome. they looked so professional and awesome. Then, an update or something happened that changed them to their old butt ugly ones. anyhow, I have a backup image of my disk from yesterday. I am trying to find what files I need to swap back over
[16:04] <bigbrovar> vbgunz: I searching for files via dolpin works very well on my system. what version of kubuntu / kde are u running?
[16:04] <bigbrovar> on kde 4.6 dolphin default to kfind if the strigi (the indexer for kde and the cause of most performance issues) is disabled
[16:06] <vbgunz> bigbrovar: I have 4.6.3 from the ppa on natty
[16:07] <vbgunz> im looking at service manager and I don't see strigi in there, I do have strigiclient
[16:08] <vbgunz> the nepomuk file indexer is idle atm
[16:10] <bigbrovar> vbgunz: thats what I have on my system natty and really it works extremely well
[16:10] <bigbrovar> vbgunz: in fact search times shows up as I type real time
[16:11] <vbgunz> the search in dolphin is so broken, I navigated to a directory with a file named exactly akregatorrc and searched for akregatorrc and it came up empty
[16:11] <vbgunz> that's very broken :|
[16:15] <vbgunz> I'm gonna reinstall, I remember doing something about a nepomuk or akonadi crash that was constantly bugging me but for the life of me I can't remember what I did. I must have somehow botched nepomuk
[16:15] <vbgunz> man, I can't remember the last time I reinstalled
[16:16] <vbgunz> I've been doing upgrades for a while now, I think ever since kde4 came out
[16:16] <vbgunz> spring fooging clean this mofo
[16:16] <vbgunz> heh
[16:20] <halin> I downloaded the 32 bit version of Kubuntu 11.04 iso
[16:20] <halin> But when I ran wubi installer, it started downloading, kubuntu-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:20] <halin> and shows the time remaining as 4 hrs
[16:21] <halin> I am using 64 bit OS, but shouldn't it be able to install the 32 bit on it ?
[16:48] <Fieldy> hi, i'm using 10.04.2 LTS. i went from using a 24" monitor to a 37" TV into the RGB DIN input. after rebooting, my fonts were unusably huge. i moved xorg.conf to xorg.conf-LAST, rebooted again, and now I only get 1280x1024 and no higher modes (such as 1920x1080 I was using before) are available. the nvidia driver did get loaded. what can I do?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, no hdmi output on the pc  to hdmi input on the tv ?
[16:59] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: i don't have an output on the PC
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, you do but it's problky the VGA , correct ?
[17:02] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: sure, I meant that I don't have an HDMI input on the PC
[17:02] <Fieldy> here's errors / warnings from Xorg.0.log http://dpaste.com/541248/    i'm trying to figure out why it's not seeing the nvidia driver even though it's loaded as a module
[17:02] <Fieldy> "I don't have an hdmi OUTPUT on the PC" hehe i just woke up
[17:03] <BluesKaj> same as any normal monitor in other words  ...if you want 1920x1080 you;ll need a video card cappble of at least dvi out which is HIdef capable , to a hidef input on the tv , if it's a hidef tv
[17:04] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: it was working fine before rebooting, at 1920x1080, it was after rebooting when this all started
[17:04] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, which grapphics card and driver ?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> err graphics
[17:06] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] (rev a1)   though I need a hint for finding out which nvidia driver i'm using. "nvidia" is loaded but Xorg stopped using it after reboot
[17:06] <Fieldy> no errors in dmesg regarding the nvidia driver at any point
[17:08] <zen_monkey> i've upgraded from 9.10 where everything (but huaewi e226) was working fine
[17:08] <zen_monkey> and now on 10.04 X crashes on boot
[17:09] <zen_monkey> vga is a nvidia TNT2 agp
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, open the kmenu / apps/ system/additional drivers , make sure you install the recommended driver , probly nvidia-current
[17:10] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: sure, one moment
[17:10] <BluesKaj> zen_monkey, try the recovery kernel , then in the dialog , "repair broken packages" . then normal boot
[17:11] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: current is selected and activated
[17:11] <BluesKaj> zen_monkey, then afterwards , do what I posted above for Fieldy
[17:11] <Fieldy> it also claims it's in use (it is loaded, xorg just stopped using it)
[17:12] <zen_monkey> hmm for that i'm gonna need to make the usb modem work :D
[17:13] <zen_monkey> or it doesn't involve downloading any driver?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, drop to a tty ctl+alt+f1 , sudo service kdm stop , sudo nvidia-xconfig, then sudo service kdm start, then ctl+alt+f7
[17:14] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: ah nvidia-xconfig, i was trying to remember what that was -- thanks, back in a bit
[17:16] <BluesKaj> zen_monkey, depends on your install, which one did you use ?
[17:17] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: okay, that worked, the driver is now in use. however i'm now back to the massive fonts issue -- any letter is well over an inch tall here.
[17:18] <Fieldy> looking in error log now...
[17:18] <zen_monkey> BluesKaj, wich driver? xorg.conf says nouveau
[17:19] <zen_monkey> but after dist-upgrade been using nv, only that works
[17:19] <Fieldy> hm. nothing out of the ordinary in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:20] <BluesKaj> fieldy whcich connection are you using out of the pc , is it the old style vga
[17:20] <zen_monkey> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/1pategYF this is the log i was getting until yesterday... maybe you can understand more than i from it
[17:21] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: yeah, standard DIN, i really don't have another option. check this out though: resolution:    305x305 dots per inch     is there a way i can force that to say, 72?
[17:24] <katsrc> hey
[17:25] <katsrc> is it true Kubuntu will use Unity instead of Plasma?
[17:25] <vbgunz> katsrc: I hope not and really doubt it
[17:25] <zen_monkey> BluesKaj, repair broken packages needs internet? cause if so i'm needing the modem working first :O
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, are youactually using the pci graphics card , are you sure you arent connected from the mobo integrated graphics ?
[17:26] <zen_monkey> it's done but no fix, when booting it displays the boot screen btu then bumps to tty2....
[17:26] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: 100% positive
[17:26] <katsrc> what's this then? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg
[17:27] <Fieldy> curiously fonts in some locations are fine. in firefox 4, the menus/etc are all huge, but the rendered pages are not. reading around it may be a fontconfig issue
[17:28] <zen_monkey> katsrc, from where is that pic?
[17:28] <katsrc> zen_monkey: uds apparently
[17:28] <BluesKaj> then Fieldy , you must be using the vga out which isn't capable of delivering the 1920x1080 graphics resolution to your tv
[17:29] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: it's delivering it right now, it's just got massive fonts
[17:29] <Fieldy> dimensions:    1920x1080 pixels (160x90 millimeters)
[17:29] <Fieldy> it wasn't before, nvidia-xconfig (i think) got that part fixed
[17:30] <BluesKaj> ok then change the fonts in system settings/application appearance
[17:31] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: they're listed at 14 for all, as it was before, it appears to have no bearing on this issue
[17:32] <zen_monkey> katsrc, hmm as ubuntu still uses gnome with unity... maybe they're doing (or whishing) it for kde
[17:32] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, you may have to change font settings in dolphin as well
[17:32] <zen_monkey> maybe just proving it works
[17:33] <Fieldy> it's not an application issue, it's that xorg is failing to pick up the right DPI from EDID. so i just have to figure out how to force the issue -- but i'm out of time and have to go to work now. but we got xorg using nvidia again, that's progress :)
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Fieldy, I still think you should check what kind of digital video inputs are on the tv and digital outputs on the graphics card , to get the most out of your setup , a dvi to dvi or hdmi  cable is probly what you need
[17:33] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: thanks, i suspect i'll be back tomorrow to mess with this some more
[17:34] <katsrc> zen_monkey: i think they might have taken this KDE developer seriously: http://zrchrn.blogspot.com/2011/05/kde-unity-setup.html
[17:34] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: yeah right now the video card has DVI out but previously i didn't have a dvi nor hdmi capable monitor -- but this is a TV, i will explore that
[17:34] <Guest84737> katsrc:  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4429
[17:34] <Guest84737> I quote: "Kubuntu is using Plasma and always will along with the best of KDE Software "
[17:34] <Fieldy> i'm going video card dvi -> [dvi-vga adapter] -> [TV RGB DIN input]
[17:35] <Fieldy> but i need to go, THANKS BluesKaj !
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yeah the dpi needs to be increased to 129 and antialiasing ..I use a 42" plasma tv as a monitor so I know what's required
[17:36] <katsrc> Guest84737: thanks, there's much relief knowing this
[17:36] <Fieldy> BluesKaj: cool, sounds like you have some experience that can help me finish this off -- thanks again, i have run outta time
[17:44] <mr-rich> Just did the upgrade to Natty ... must say, it went pretty smooth ... Had used FC for years, so I was a little gun shy of the "upgrade" ... :)
[17:45] <BluesKaj> zen_monkey, sorry you have a internet connection prob , how are you connected to the modem , by ethernet?
[17:47] <zen_monkey> BluesKaj, modem is usb and been using it with "pon - poff" because can't do more than configuring the conn in graphic mode :s
[17:47] <zen_monkey> i'm looking on how to make it work first, then we can go on with X
[17:48] <BluesKaj> zen_monkey, dsl modem
[17:48] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> zen_monkey, in the konsole, sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[17:53] <zen_monkey> BluesKaj, not a dsl modem, it's a 3g one
[17:53] <zen_monkey> so no eth in use
[17:54] <Kaspi> bk :)
[17:54] <BluesKaj> ok, well that leaves me out ... I know nothing about configuring those ...dunno why ppl go thru cell networks , when it's so bloody expensive
[17:56] <zen_monkey> BluesKaj, besides the quality of the service... you'll be surprised how low is my rate here hehe... 10Gb a mont for 10 USD
[17:57] <zen_monkey> suposed 1024/128 Kbps speeds
[17:59] <zen_monkey> going to try this out, brb
[17:59] <BluesKaj> well I pay 45cdn /mos for 65G/mos , but then i don't use it as a cell network either ,but 1buck/gig/mos seems ok
[18:08] <mr-rich> Is there a way (extention/addon) for Firefox 4 that will make it act more like the Windows version with the Firefox menu?
[18:48] <Peace-> Kaspi:
[18:49] <Peace-> Kaspi: install lancelot , then add to the main panel , http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopPD2636.jpg
[18:53] <OerHeks> hi, is there a KDE/Kubuntu version of ubuntu-tweak ?
[18:55] <Peace-> OerHeks: what does it do ubuntu tweak?
[18:55] <Peace-> OerHeks: i guess kde doesn't need
[18:55] <Peace-> but anyway...
[18:56] <OerHeks> Peace-, that was my thought also, all options are available, but i just switched to KDE from gnome.
[18:56] <OerHeks> up to now, no problems or real issues.
[18:57]  * OerHeks tries to forget ubuntu-one
[18:57] <Peace-> OerHeks: well , read this maybe you could find some intersting stuff
[18:57] <Peace-> OerHeks: it shoild work
[18:57] <Peace-> i mean ubuntu one
[18:57] <Peace-> i used always dropbox but anyway
[18:58] <OerHeks> me2, dropbox and wuala, i read about a script to make it work, but development stopped.
[18:58] <Peace-> OerHeks: just see the screenshot , http://nowardev.wordpress.com/usefull-link-for-kubuntu-and-multimedia-stuff/what-you-would-want-to-do-on-startup-multimedia-side/
[18:58] <OerHeks> ah Thnx
[18:58] <Peace-> OerHeks: for the dropbox there is kfiledrop
[18:58] <Peace-> OerHeks: and there is a service menu for dolphin
[18:59] <Peace-> OerHeks: that is my blog if you have issue ask or here or in the blog
[18:59] <BluesKaj> kfilebox in the repos
[19:00] <Peace-> BluesKaj: is it?
[19:00] <Peace-> BluesKaj: nice
[19:00] <Peace-> BluesKaj: thank you
[19:01] <Kaspi> Peace-: lancelot launcher?
[19:02] <Peace-> Kaspi: yep
[19:04] <Kaspi> Peace-: nice one
[19:05] <Peace-> Kaspi: on that you should find out places as the screen
[19:05] <Peace-> i posted
[19:06] <Kaspi> Peace-: yeah, you can even set it to show that Places menu directly on the panel, which is exactly what I wanted... thanks
[19:07] <mr-rich> Hello. Is there a way (extention/addon) for Firefox 4 that will make it act more like the Windows version with the Firefox menu?
[19:08] <Kaspi> mr-rich: is there any difference between menus in windows and linux versions of firefox?
[19:10] <Kaspi> how can I make Pidgin to appear in the system tray?
[19:11] <OerHeks> Peace-, just finished reading your blog, great ! i asume i need to perform these tasks on a fresh KDE ?
[19:37] <asraniel_> hello. anyone knows when the new amarok release will be available on 11.04 ?
[19:38]  * OerHeks is listening to current Amarok 2.4.0
[19:44] <tommip> could someone tell me good download manager for kubuntu?
[19:45] <areichman> tommip: what do you mean by download manager?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> tommip, kget is one
[19:45] <Peace-> OerHeks: well
[19:45] <tommip> some that can download from file sharing sites
[19:46] <Peace-> OerHeks: i did that everytime i test my kubuntu
[19:46] <Peace-> test==>install
[19:46] <BluesKaj> tommip, do you mean torrent sites
[19:46] <tommip> no
[19:46] <tommip> like rapidshare
[19:46] <tommip> etc
[19:47] <BluesKaj> amule , frostwire
[19:49] <asraniel_> hm, in kubuntu 11.04 i get a wierd sound distortion on loud sounds in flash videos, perhaps high sounds. anyone heard about that?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> fatrat and simrat , tommip  , might fit your needs
[19:49] <Peace-> asraniel_: me no
[19:49] <Peace-> asraniel_: please add veromix to the main panel
[19:50] <Peace-> maybe managing audio with that you could find some way
[19:50] <Peace-> mm
[19:50] <Peace-> well maybe no xD
[19:56] <Babalau> heya everybody
[19:56] <Babalau> i need some help... i want to open i ftp location in my terminal
[19:57] <Babalau> i have mounted it in dolphin
[19:59] <Babalau> can anyone help me
[19:59] <gomiboy> Babalau: what's the problem exactly?
[20:00] <Babalau> gomiboy: i can't find the mounted ftp in ~/.gvfs
[20:05] <gomiboy> well, if you just opened a ftp site in dolphin, it's not "mounted"... if you want to access it with the terminal you need the ftp program. Maybe there is also some fuse-ftp to really "mount" it... depends on what you need
[20:18] <BluesKaj> !sshfs | Babalau
[20:22] <petra> hola
[20:22] <petra> como estan ahi alguien aqui
[20:23] <nucleophase> !es | petra
[20:29] <ender-pc> hi all
[20:29] <ender-pc> can someone tell me how to make the sidebar icons small in 11.4, if possible... thanks
[20:39] <herpderp> Hey! Is anyone alive in here? I have a question
[20:39] <DarthFrog> !ask
[20:39] <herpderp> Thanks. Will do.
[20:40] <herpderp> I installed Kubuntu on my Natty Narwhal Ubuntu, and then wanted to remove Kubuntu from it. But can't figure out how
[20:40] <herpderp> can someone help me?
[20:40] <DarthFrog> !puregnome
[20:41] <ender-pc> can someone tell me how to make the sidebar icons small in 11.4, if possible... thanks
[20:42] <herpderp> it is saying that pakages like that cannot be removed
[20:43] <ender-pc> even with sudo?
[20:45] <herpderp> well i think i just found the solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1732098
[20:45] <herpderp> it was buried enough!
[20:47] <sourcemaker> I am playing around with nepomuk and tagging... my question now is... is it required to add the same tags also on there sub-dirs?
[20:49] <asraniel_> is there any known kopete problem with wireless cards? my wireless connection drops all the time
[20:49] <asraniel_> and it didn't in 10.10
[21:17] <skierpage> 11.04's KPackageKit > Software Updates wants to update most of KDE just for a kdm.conf update (bug 436936 )? Seems odd.
[21:27] <tsimpson> skierpage: it's not most of KDE, but it's a large part of the KDE UI core as kdm is just one of many package build from that
[21:28] <skierpage> tsimpson, thx.  So picking up this small change means getting a rebuild of KDE UI core, even stuff like klipper, libkwineffects1a that maybe hasn't changed?
[21:29] <tsimpson> skierpage: yes, that's an unfortunate side-effect of having many packages built from one source package
[21:31] <skierpage> tsimpson, ahh I see, the kdebase-workbase that changed  isn't itself a kubuntu package but the source of lots of packages. Thanks for the explanation!
[21:51] <leonardHome_> Anyone tried connect Yahoo account on Kopete?
[22:20] <phyllipecesar> how can i register?
[22:20] <phyllipecesar> my username
[22:20] <phyllipecesar> i'm trying /msg nickeserver...
[22:21] <phyllipecesar> but i'm getting  [Error] nickserver: No such nick/channel.
[22:31] <omid>  Why does Kubuntu replacing Konqueror with Rekonq and SUSE replacing it with Firefox as the default KDE browser?
[22:32] <dasilentlprince> Rekonq is faster
[22:38] <asraniel_> and e
[22:38] <asraniel_> and rekonq is a qt or even kde app
[22:41] <uomo> qualcuno parla italiano?
[22:48] <ubuntu_> Hi !
[23:07] <chainmail> Good Evening
[23:11] <jcgs> Hi :) I'm having real problems getting vlc to work in natty :( i can sort of hear music, but it's sort of screwed up with random noise. Might it be a codec issue?
[23:12] <jcgs> I'm not sure whether I've got the correct packages... there are so many
[23:12] <aaronth> yo homeis
[23:12] <aaronth> *homies
[23:14] <aaronth> Can I install the updated package/Software of 11.04 to 10.10
[23:14] <aaronth> ?
[23:15] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: Do you want to update to 11.04?
[23:15] <maco> aaronth: could try, but it might break stuff. better to upgrade to 11.04 or use backports (new versions compiled for old releases)
[23:16] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes:  not really maybe with the next update for it comes, UBuntu 11.04 was not that great with Unity
[23:17] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: well you could always try kubuntu, but even 11.04 for ubuntu has "ubuntu classic" which doesn't use unity
[23:17] <aaronth> Kubuntu is amazing with all the beauty but seems slow and music is not being nice to me
[23:18] <kavurt> my webcam doesn't work with googletalk
[23:18] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: I'm on Kubuntu 10.10 and Ubuntu Classic was still slow compared to 10.10, which in my opioion was the best release ever
[23:18] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: music playback? is it an mp3 problem?
[23:19] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: theres no doubt in my mind that 11.04 was regression for ubuntu, unity is not good in my opinion.
[23:19] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: Amarok can not see the local files and when I went to it with browsing it will not show the files in the music folders
[23:20] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: When they moved too far from the strength of Linux
[23:21] <TheFriendlyOnes>   aaronth: Exactly, and for amarok do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras? it might be an mp3 thing
[23:21] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: Dolphin shows the files mp3, m4a and all
[23:23] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: but i think for amarok to use them they have to be a supported filetype, and without KRE, mp3 isn't supported i think
[23:23] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: Nope did not do anything in the sort, that might had been a good idea, I formated this laptop and put Windows 7 and Kubuntu 10.04 (then upgraded to 10.10)
[23:24] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: yea, try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[23:24] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes:  I just searched KpackageKit
[23:25] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: Most of the time they do not have that in the repos
[23:25] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: have what?
[23:25] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: KRE
[23:26] <TheFriendlyOnes> aaronth: well its called kubuntu-restricted-extras and its default in repos
[23:26] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: I think that Kubuntu has too many desktop effects turned on by default, thats why its slow
[23:27] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOnes: Well now it can see the songs but it just goes though them and does not play anything
[23:31] <TheFriendlyOne> any one find rekonq to be unstable??
[23:33] <aaronth> TheFriendlyOne: I find it out of date
[23:36] <aaronth> I'm thinking of going back to Gnome
[23:36] <aaronth> not KDE


[15:36] <scarleo> Hi, whenever I add a new share through Nautilus outside of U1 folder I need to restart the daemon to make it sync.
[15:36] <scarleo> I let it sit for a whole day but sync never started, as soon as I restarted U1 sync started immediately
[15:39] <scarleo> is this a known problem or should I file a bug report?
[16:09] <verterok> scarleo: yes, it's a known bug #869920
[16:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 869920 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Files in new UDFs are not uploaded due to filtering (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869920


[07:07] <cpaelzer> rharper: powersj: my qemu testing found the first bug we didn't have on our radar yet
[07:07] <cpaelzer> so while still uncomplete to an ashaming amoutn already worth something
[07:08] <cpaelzer> I found an upstream qemu bug and a fix, added Ubuntu(qemu) to it and subscribed the server Team
[07:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak: fyi ^^
[07:57] <rbasak> cpaelzer: good job!
[08:56] <jamespage> coreycb, figured out the barbican test failures - we need newer positional
[08:56] <jamespage> doing that now
[11:44] <coreycb> jamespage, hello, when you get a chance heat 1:5.0.1-0ubuntu3.1~cloud1 is ready to promote to liberty-proposed
[12:11] <coreycb> jamespage, any news on barbican?
[12:11] <coreycb> ddellav, how's openstack-trove going?
[12:12] <ddellav> coreycb ah forgot about that one, i think it's done, let me double check
[13:10] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: I took a pass through newton pkg tip failures and rebuilding those now (non-barbican/trove)
[13:26] <jamespage> coreycb, barbican should build now I think
[13:26]  * jamespage checks
[13:26] <coreycb> jamespage, cool
[13:27] <jamespage> coreycb, it was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-positional/1.1.1-0ubuntu1
[13:27] <coreycb> jamespage, ah just needed a new version?
[13:28] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah I think so
[13:28] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome.  that wasn't obvious from what I recall.
[13:29] <epinky> anyone has used isc-dhcp-server as a dhcp server in a multivlan environment, it's leasing very very slow
[13:29] <epinky> can anyone help?
[13:38] <jamespage> coreycb, ok barbican is happy again
[13:39] <jamespage> coreycb, I'll do the b3 upload now
[13:39] <coreycb> jamespage, \o/
[14:13] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: any ideas on the trove failure?
[14:13] <jamespage> that's our last outstanding I think
[14:16] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: just looking at tox.ini for trove and they run ostestr  --serial
[14:20] <jamespage> coreycb, might be it
[14:20] <jamespage> worth a try
[14:24] <jamespage> coreycb, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/h/horizon/yakkety/amd64
[14:24] <jamespage> hmm
[14:24] <coreycb> jamespage, I thought we got rid of openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme
[14:25] <jamespage> #not sure
[14:25] <jamespage> coreycb, you look at trove
[14:25] <jamespage> I'll poke at that
[14:27] <coreycb> jamespage, ok.  that's odd because I was able to upgrade from b2 successfully.  might be something to do with charm config vs pkg config.
[14:33] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah I see that on a fresh install
[14:34] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[14:35] <coreycb> jamespage, trove has a dep on xmltodict which is in universe
[14:36] <jamespage> coreycb, as its in universe that's just fine :-)
[14:36] <coreycb> jamespage, duh yeah :)
[14:37] <jamespage> coreycb, trove built - good-oh
[14:37] <coreycb> jamespage, yep!  I'll get that uploaded.
[14:39] <ddellav> coreycb trove b3 was waiting on openstackdocstheme, thats why i wasn't pushed. It's good to go now and building, ready for push: lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/openstack-trove
[14:41] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: trove's uploaded
[14:46] <joelio> grumble.. I wish ubuntu cloud team would get their act together with ubuntu/xenial64 images (specifically for vagrant). Just hit by a bug which means I can't create more than one ubuntu/xenial64 box as it names them all the same! trusty is fine and using chef's is fine... just ubuntu can't... ubuntu.
[14:48] <joelio> everything gets the name...
[14:48] <joelio> ==> gateway1: Setting the name of the VM: ubuntu-xenial-16.04-cloudimg
[14:48] <joelio> obviously that fails hard when using multivm vagrant :)
[14:49] <joelio> exact same config, but using trusty...
[14:49] <joelio> ==> gateway1: Setting the name of the VM: devstack-vm_gateway1_1473259350488_72222
[14:49] <joelio> lovely :)
[14:49] <joelio> want me to raise a bug?
[14:55] <coreycb> beisner, jamespage: the following are ready for promotion when you get a chance, please: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23146098/
[14:58] <Odd_Bloke> joelio: The fixes for that have landed today, and we should hopefully be rolling out a fixed image in the next day or so.
[14:58] <joelio> Odd_Bloke: no worries, I appreciate this is a group effort
[14:59] <Odd_Bloke> joelio: :)
[14:59] <joelio> can switch to trusty for this dev tranche, but will roll out Xenial when we're doing properly
[14:59] <joelio> thankfully it's nothing too taxing that required xenial or somesuch :)
[15:00] <joelio> Odd_Bloke: aware if that new image fixes vboxsf or not ooi?
[15:20] <jgrimm> smb, hallyn: is there any regression bucket you run against qemu when making changes?  or is DEP8 sufficient?
[15:23] <smb> jgrimm, I did not do substantial changes to qemu, so dep8 was usually enough for me. Serge might have been running more
[15:24] <jgrimm> smb, cool, yeah fix is mostly isolated to a specific use case on ppc64 architecture, but i'd like to be safe as possible
[15:30] <hallyn> jgrimm: lp:qa-regression-testing
[15:30]  * jgrimm looks.  thank you hallyn
[15:30] <hallyn> run at least test-qemu.py, probably also test-libvirt.py
[15:30] <jgrimm> got it. thanks!
[15:31] <hallyn> you'll want to do that in the cloud probably to minimize your own bandwidth usage :)  unless you're one ofthose lucky googlefiber ppl
[15:31] <hallyn> np - \o
[15:31] <jgrimm> :)
[15:31] <hallyn> btw, for changes to qemu in yakkety i still think it would be best to keep them in sync in the ubuntu-dev branch of the debian packaging tree
[15:31] <hallyn> and, i do mean to keep being helpful with that pkg, but things are a bit manic for the next month or so probably
[15:32] <hallyn> but shout if you need anything, and i fyou have a pkg you want me to test, that doesn't actualy take me a lot of time.
[15:32] <jgrimm> hallyn, i deeply appreciate your continued help!
[15:32] <hallyn> (my container hosting vm is kind of setup to make qemu testing easy :)
[15:32] <hallyn> np - \o
[15:32] <jgrimm> hallyn, i have a ppa here if you'd like: ppa:jgrimm/qemu-1541902
[15:33] <hallyn> which release is that for?
[15:33] <jgrimm> hallyn, yakkety for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1541902
[15:33] <hallyn> ok
[15:34] <jgrimm> hallyn, ibm offered to help with the unique hardware / use case, so that's covered
[15:56] <jamespage> coreycb, ok horizon fixes uploaded
[16:00] <coreycb> jamespage, \o/  looks like that one required some good eye sight.  a dash changed to an underscore.
[16:53] <jamespage> Odd_Bloke, hey - are you aware of any issues with out yakkety cloud images?
[16:53] <jamespage> I get this:
[16:53] <jamespage> E: Malformed entry 11 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)
[16:53] <jamespage> when trying to update packages
[16:53] <jamespage> appears to be double space between deb[-src]  yakkety
[16:54] <jamespage> actually that foorbar
[16:54] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23146736/
[16:55]  * rbasak wonders if that's cloud-init
[16:55] <rbasak> As there has been some work in cloud-init in that area recently
[16:55] <rbasak> cpaelzer, smoser: ^?
[16:56] <smoser> :-(
[16:56] <smoser> jamespage, where do you see this ?
[16:58] <jamespage> smoser, that was in a yakkety environment I just tried to deploy for openstack
[16:58] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23146752/
[16:58] <smoser> so it does not reproduce ^ (lxc)
[16:59] <jamespage> ii  cloud-init                       0.7.7-22-g763f403-0ubuntu1           all          Init scripts for cloud instances
[16:59] <smoser> can you get me a cloud-init.log file where it happened ?
[16:59] <jamespage> smoser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23146756/
[17:00] <jamespage> smoser, I got that all all 15 instances
[17:01] <jamespage> Sep  7 16:19:28 ubuntu [CLOUDINIT] cc_apt_configure.py[DEBUG]: got primary mirror:
[17:01] <jamespage> hmm
[17:01] <smoser> Sep  7 16:19:27 ubuntu [CLOUDINIT] cc_apt_configure.py[DEBUG]: apt config: convert V2 to V3 format for keys 'apt_mirror'
[17:01] <smoser> Sep  7 16:19:27 ubuntu [CLOUDINIT] cc_apt_configure.py[DEBUG]: handling apt (module apt-configure) with apt config '{'primary': [{'uri': '', 'arches': ['default']}]}'
[17:01] <smoser> jamespage, did you provide some config ?
[17:02] <jamespage> smoser, nope - its was juju instantiated
[17:02] <smoser> hm.
[17:02] <jamespage> machine 0 is xenial - that came up ok
[17:02] <smoser> am i able to get in ?
[17:03] <jamespage> smoser, yes see pm
[17:17] <andrewATintellic> If I run `conjure-up openstack` on the MAAS region controller, what is needed for MAAS to be an option in the initial menu (other than `localhost`)?
[17:18] <andrewATintellic> I remember it just being an option a month or so ago, but it doesn't seem to show up now (MAAS server is a fresh reinstall as of a few days ago)
[17:33] <jerichowasahoax> What ports do I open in the firewall for a Postfix MTA?
[17:33] <jerichowasahoax> Google just told me to read main.cf, which has zero references to ports
[17:36] <jerichowasahoax> Oh hey, after some finagling, I got a stack overflow question for it: 25, 465, and 587
[17:46] <patdk-wk> do what? who ever answered you is kindof insane
[17:46] <patdk-wk> 465 was NEVER an email port
[17:46] <jerichowasahoax> patdk-wk: google disagrees, something about SMTP + SSL
[17:46] <patdk-wk> 25 and 587 are the only two
[17:47] <patdk-wk> I thought google was a search engine
[17:47] <jerichowasahoax> patdk-wk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol
[17:47] <patdk-wk> you point me to the RFC that says to use 465
[17:47] <patdk-wk> 465 NEVER made it into a *beta* version of the smtp standard
[17:47] <jerichowasahoax> patdk-wk: do you also complain every time someone mentions 6667 is the IRC port
[17:47] <jerichowasahoax> patdk-wk: because that was never in the RFC either
[17:48] <patdk-wk> jerichowasahoax, that is completely different
[17:48] <patdk-wk> no one moved to ssl+smtp
[17:48] <jerichowasahoax> patdk-wk: it's different because you're already yelling at me about SMTP?
[17:48] <patdk-wk> everyone continues to use port 25
[17:48] <jerichowasahoax> patdk-wk: because at this point i'm pretty sure you're attacking me for the sake of attacking me
[17:48] <patdk-wk> irc branched out, to other ports, due to the 64k limit
[17:50] <patdk-wk> http://blog.mailgun.com/25-465-587-what-port-should-i-use/
[17:51] <patdk-wk> that is actually a good write up
[17:59] <JanC> saying that it never was an email port is wrong, of course; it was registered with IANA and was used in the wild
[18:00] <JanC> but you shouldn't use it in any mailserver nowadays
[18:00] <patdk-wk> registered and revoked, and never made it into any publications
[18:00] <hallyn> jgrimm: tests passed
[18:01] <jgrimm> hallyn, \o/ thanks. ill run them too, just so i learn how to be self-sufficient
[18:01] <patdk-wk> it's been revoked for almost 20years
[18:02] <JanC> right
[18:05] <jerichowasahoax> if 465 winds up getting unused i'll just close the port again
[18:05] <jerichowasahoax> "sudo ufw delete allow 465" is not that difficult :V
[18:05] <patdk-wk> that isn't the point
[18:05] <patdk-wk> the point is to not have users misconfiguring their mail software in the first place
[18:06] <jerichowasahoax> postfix is default configuration except for I switched to maildir
[18:06] <patdk-wk> to have them use 587, with login
[18:06] <patdk-wk> a default configuration is NEVER recommended
[18:06] <patdk-wk> and if your using ubuntu, you cannot get a postfix default config, you can get a debian config of postfix though
[18:07] <jerichowasahoax> well i mean i obviously didn't leave the domain as example.com or anything
[18:07] <jerichowasahoax> "default configuration" means "anything not mentioned in the guide i'm following"
[18:07] <jerichowasahoax> which is this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-on-ubuntu-16-04
[18:07] <patdk-wk> I see the examples in 16.04 are a lot more sane though, that is nice
[19:27] <hdon> hi all :) i'm trying to increase mysqld's fd limit. i edited /etc/security/limits.conf and rebooted. if i open a shell with "su -l mysql -s /bin/sh" and evaluate "ulimit -Hn" or "ulimit -Sn" I see 65536. that's good. i edited /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/mysqld.conf with "open_files_limit=4096" but if i ask mysqld "select @@open_files_limit;" i still get 1024. is something somewhere else configuring limits for mysqld?
[20:17] <temhaa> Hello, Am I in right channel I am not sure. But I have a problem. I have a server and I installed ubuntu server. I want to do virtualization. Actually I want to use container something like LXC to create more machine. .
[20:17] <temhaa> But If I create machine with LXC so Can I install docker and kubernates to that? Do you have any idea or experience?
[20:22] <nacc> temhaa: do you want to do virtualization or containers?
[20:24] <temhaa> nacc, Actually I want to virtualization with KVM but I wil try container(lXC) to open more machine. My question is If I use LXC, Can I install docker or kubernates to inside of the that container
[20:26] <nacc> temhaa: sorry, your first sentence is still confusing to me -- do you want KVM or LXC? If you don't want KVM, just don't mention it. For information on docker under LXD: https://www.stgraber.org/2016/04/13/lxd-2-0-docker-in-lxd-712/ and you might want to join #lxcontainers
[20:28] <temhaa> nacc, choosing the virtualization method is another problem for me. But my question is If I use lxc can I install docker and kubernates to that lxc container.
[20:28] <temhaa> nacc, I can not find more documentation on internet. I saw post what you said. But I am looking for kubernates
[20:29] <OerHeks> docker you can, i am not sure about kubernates ..
[20:29] <temhaa> nacc, I asked in lxc and kubernates channels but I couldnt get any answer
[20:31] <nacc> temhaa: well, you said docker or kubernetes -- so you only want kubernetes, really?
[20:34] <temhaa> nacc, I need docker but additionaly I want to install kubernates.  They can not be at same container.
[20:34] <nacc> temhaa: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/6862 ?
[20:37] <temhaa> nacc, so we can not ~~
[20:38] <nacc> temhaa: i'm not 100% myself, which lxc channel did you ask in?
[20:39] <nacc> stgraber: --^ can you chime in?
[20:39] <temhaa> nacc, I asked to lxc channel called "lxc"  and I asked to kubernates on slack
[20:42] <stgraber> sorry, never used kubernetes myself. My understanding is that it currently relies on Docker containers and those do work (for the most part) inside LXD containers, but that's the extent of my knowledge there
[20:43] <nacc> stgraber: thanks
[20:51] <jonah> hi can anyone please help. I'm trying to tar up some files to move a website to a different server but whatever I do some of the files when untarred are empty
[20:51] <jonah> I can download them individually and upload them one by one but can't tar them up!
[20:51] <jonah> There are thousands of files so really need to tar them to move them...
[20:51] <jonah> If anyone can please help. I've tried zip, tar tar.bz2 etc, every time it is the same.
[20:51] <jonah> Most files do tar ok and extract ok, but some crucial site system files extract and just have 0 bytes and then cause erros on the site loading
[20:55] <sarnold> jonah: can you give a concrete example of the command that you used, ls -l output of what you're trying to archive, tar tf output of the tarfile once it's created, tar xvf output, and ls -l of the directory structure after untarring?
[22:32] <skulltip> should i set up LVM? it's an option on my guided partitioning method thing..  LVM, LV root and LV home-vg
[22:34] <skulltip> nm went around it
[22:36] <RoyK> I always use lvm
[22:38] <skulltip> is it easy to set the internal IP to static so it doesn't get reassigned when there's a power outtage
[22:45] <sarnold> skulltip: /etc/network/interfaces
[22:45] <sarnold> skulltip: be sure to modify your network's dhcp server to not hand out that address to clients
[22:50] <patdk-lap> internal ip?
[22:55] <skulltip> on clean install of the server 16.04.1, it's stuck with first message:  /dev/sda1: clean:  xxxx / xxx files:<PHONE_NUMBER>4  blocks
[22:55] <skulltip> is it hung?
[22:55] <skulltip> i'm googling that fcsk is running?
[22:56] <sarnold> that sure sounds like a message from fsck
[22:56] <skulltip> do i need to wait for it to finish then
[22:57] <tarpman> might be waiting for the network to come up?
[22:58] <sarnold> skulltip: it wouldn't be a bad idea to wait, that will mark the date the scan completed and hopeflly push off the date to the next fsck, rather than jhust run it again on the next boot


[00:00] <_stink_> can't do it bytewise, i get it now.  gotta make the hex bit instead.
[00:00] <_stink_> sweet.
[00:03] <_stink_> i overloaded 'bit' there.
[00:03] <_stink_> s/bit/part.
[00:03] <rick_h_> gotcha
[00:50] <rick_h_> bah, getting cranky. My talk is the last one not on the site now
[00:50] <rick_h_> other than lightning talks I guess
[00:58] <greg-g> rick_h_: it was that full of awesome that they couldn't contain it all on youtube
[01:01] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah
[01:02] <rick_h_> I had thought so, thanks for verifying
[01:03] <brousch> no, rick_h_'s talk was so hot the tape melted
[03:40] <snap-l> :q
[11:48] <snap-l> Good morning, folks.
[11:48] <rick_h_> morning
[11:52] <Wolfger> party
[12:02] <brousch> naptime
[12:02] <rick_h_> +1
[12:03] <snap-l> ++ ++
[12:05] <Wolfger> I wish it was naptime
[12:08] <rick_h_> http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/
[12:18] <Wolfger> dickfinity. Priceless
[12:36] <greg-g> g'morn
[12:47] <rick_h_> http://blip.tv/pyohio/sqlalchemy-tutorial-5442205 so so close!
[12:49] <greg-g> haha
[12:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Sheesh, you're like an expectant father. ;)
[12:50] <rick_h_> I want to keep ahead of the fall out
[12:50] <greg-g> and it is now the first bookmark of the day: https://bmark.us/recent
[12:51] <rick_h_> you have to understand, when I talk, I just kind of hit play and honestly can't remember much of the during
[12:51] <rick_h_> so people tell me there were people on the floor and in the hall
[12:51] <snap-l> You're assuming I remember anything I say an hour after saying it.
[12:51] <brousch> what are we talking about?
[12:52] <rick_h_> bah, picasa is taking too long
[12:52] <rick_h_> https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/pyohio#5635716983660312738 is my last view I really remember
[12:52] <snap-l> Nice, the other party's insurance is picking up our deductible.
[12:52] <rick_h_> and then a blur and then done
[12:52] <rick_h_> yay
[12:53] <rick_h_> brousch: if you try to load my link above
[12:53] <snap-l> Yeah, that's a bit of a relief.
[12:53] <rick_h_> my video is on the site, but gives an error "the video was recenlty added and isn't ready" or something
[12:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's what I got
[12:53] <snap-l> Oh, that was for brousch's benefit
[12:54] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea
[12:54] <snap-l> GET WITH THE PROGRAM, brousch
[12:54] <rick_h_> it's a friday, we're all out of it
[12:54] <greg-g> snap-l: whew. Good dea. I remember when I was hit by a big Ram 2500 when I drove my little (but tough!) Ranger. Their insurance Did The Right Thing, too.
[12:54] <greg-g> s/dea/deal
[12:54] <snap-l> Yeah, honestly I was expecting to have to cough up the deductible.
[12:55] <snap-l> since there was no police report, etc.
[12:55] <rick_h_> sweet, snap-l's taking us all out to lunch!
[12:55] <greg-g> man, that picasa/google+ tagging of people in photos is still unnerving for me (same with facebook)
[12:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: Hardly.
[12:55] <snap-l> Keeps us treading water, not floating calmly on it. ;)
[12:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I'm with you on that
[12:56] <snap-l> me too
[12:56] <snap-l> "blah blah tagged you in a photo". "NO! Don't do that! My sacred privacy!"
[12:57] <snap-l> Like brousch just did
[12:57] <brousch> hehe
[12:57] <brousch> i should tag people who aren't even in there
[12:57] <snap-l> Tag the chandelier as "Wil Wheaton"
[12:58] <snap-l> ;)
[12:59] <snap-l> At least you can remove it.
[12:59] <brousch> very nice
[13:00] <brousch> and i can BLOCK you from taggin me in the future
[13:00] <snap-l> Oh, how elegant.
[13:00] <greg-g> I think, that if you tag anyone else in a photo, your setting of blocking others from tagging you should be removed. Quid pro Quo and all that, mutha effer
[13:01] <greg-g> just like, if someone follows me on twitter, and their timeline is private, I shouldn't have to request to see their timeline, it should be pre-granted for me.
[13:01] <Wolfger> I hate it when people tag a photo with names of people who aren't in the photo. Don't do that.
[13:01] <greg-g> Wolfger: but, it'll be just like Facebook then!
[13:01] <greg-g> and we all love facebook!
[13:02] <Wolfger> greg-g: Yes, ++ (regarding twitter)
[13:02] <Wolfger> if you tag a photo with my name and I'm not in it, I will report you for spam :-p
[13:02] <Wolfger> because that's what you're doing
[13:03] <brousch> you're no fun
[13:03] <Wolfger> Yes I am. I have references. :-)
[13:14] <rick_h_>  http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/05/stop-its-a-really-bad-time-to-buy-a-kindle/  oh oh oh oh
[13:19] <brousch> snap-l: i sent a barcampgr announcement to ubuntu-mi, would you please pass it along to MUG?
[13:20] <brousch> and if someone in the washtenaw linux group would pass it along to them, i'd appreciate it
[13:28] <snap-l> Sure thing
[13:29] <snap-l> brousch: Done.
[13:29] <brousch> awesome, thanks
[14:01] <jrwren> does anyone use landscape?
[14:01] <rick_h_> nope
[14:03]  * greg-g only has a laptop nowadays
[14:03] <greg-g> no need for that kind of management :)
[14:04] <brousch> i prefer portrait, but sometimes it just fits better in landscape
[14:04] <rick_h_> har har har
[14:05] <jrwren> if that was a terrible name dig... i agree :)
[14:06] <Wolfger> landscape... name... dig... <groan>
[14:08] <snap-l> Apparently it's a competition to see how many commands you can use in a sentence. ;)
[14:11] <rick_h_> lol, perl lightning talk at pyohio
[14:12] <rick_h_> snap-l: we missed the fun stuff
[14:12] <Wolfger> ++ to today's xkcd alt text
[14:12] <Wolfger> aw man, there was Perl at PyOhio? I knew I should have gone... ;-)
[14:13] <rick_h_> going over porting moose stuff into python
[14:14] <snap-l> What?
[14:14] <rick_h_> the sun lighting talks are up
[14:14] <snap-l> Perl at PyOhio? No, no...
[14:14] <rick_h_> and one of them is how he's porting moose-isms from perl to python
[14:14] <snap-l> I haven't looked enough at Moose, but the mental image isn't pretty
[14:15] <snap-l> let's take Perl's riffing on everyone else's frameworks and port them back to Python
[14:16] <snap-l> That may be very unfair, though. My impression of Moose after giving it less than 5 minutes glance wasn't favorable.
[14:16] <snap-l> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=miroguide+pyohio <- Check this out
[14:17] <snap-l> mine has lococast at the top of that list.
[14:17] <rick_h_> same here
[14:17] <snap-l> ;)
[14:21] <greg-g> btw, we're rocking out again today, if you're down with listening to us DJ for you: http://turntable.fm/ubuntuallstars
[14:21] <snap-l> Facebook != listening
[14:22] <greg-g> I know I know :(
[14:22] <snap-l> (Sorry, but that's a big beef of mine with turntable.fm)
[14:22] <greg-g> I know, I held out for so long
[14:25] <snap-l> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-05/alcatel-s-76-drop-since-lucent-means-breakup-value-isn-t-french-real-m-a.html <- And this is why we can never have serious patent reform
[14:25] <snap-l> "Alcatel’s patents alone may be worth twice as much as the $4.5 billion that Nortel Networks’ licenses sold for in a bankruptcy auction in June, according to MKM Partners LP, even as analysts expect Alcatel’s routers and optical fiber products to drive a 59 percent share gain. "
[14:28] <greg-g> yeah, money talks
[14:29] <snap-l> w/q greg-g Worse, Lucent actually owns and has litigated mp3 patents.
[14:30] <snap-l> bah
[14:31] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatel-Lucent_v._Microsoft
[14:43] <brousch> does i3 have any employees?
[14:43] <rick_h_> I think it's all volunteer
[14:43] <rick_h_> they're not 501c3 yet
[14:48] <snap-l> I'm not even sure what an i3 employee would be. ;)
[14:50] <brousch> pr man, tours, videographer
[14:50] <brousch> paperwork
[14:50] <brousch> accounting
[14:50] <brousch> etc
[14:50] <brousch> bouncer
[15:12] <nullspace> looks like pastbin.com is down
[15:12] <nullspace> #i3detroit
[15:13] <rick_h_> huh?
[15:15] <nullspace> paste bin went down for a little
[15:15] <rick_h_> so what was the #i3 reference to it?
[15:15] <greg-g> mistype
[15:15] <greg-g> my guess
[15:21] <nullspace> yep
[15:21] <nullspace> forgot the /j
[15:22] <nullspace> my guess is a bunch of people just learned to enumerate pastebin
[15:22] <rick_h_> well there was a post up that pastebin.com had cross some large number of pastes this morning
[15:23] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/05/pastebin-now-home-to-8-million-active-pastes/
[15:23] <nullspace> makes me wonder how often they clear things out
[15:28] <jrwren> rick_h_: when did you realize you were a linux guru?
[15:28] <jrwren> or really... all:  at what point did you realize you were a linux guru?
[15:28] <rick_h_> when I stopped caring about windows
[15:28] <jrwren> really?
[15:29] <rick_h_> just realized i didn't know how it worked/what it was up to anymore
[15:29] <jrwren> i know lots of linux peeps who hate on windows but who aren't very linux-savy
[15:29] <rick_h_> yea, but they hate, but can sit down and change the wallpaper
[15:29] <rick_h_> if you put win7 in front of me, I have no idea where/how that works
[15:29] <jrwren> ah... so I'd probably consider you a guru before that... but it was your lack of windows knowledge taht triggered your own guru realization
[15:30] <rick_h_> was more work for me to do things on the aunt's windows machine than on my linux machine
[15:30] <rick_h_> so maybe that's a better summary
[15:30] <rick_h_> for various definitions of guru I guess
[15:31] <_stink_> mine's something like that - i think it was when i (1) could no longer answer simple questions from family/friends about windows + (2) became a resource for people at work about linux.
[15:31] <snap-l> Also, the definition of guru is overloaded IMHO
[15:32] <snap-l> guru can mean anything from being able to teach people how to do simple tasks in Linux to being able to handle a DDoS in a server room without a noticable drop in traffic.
[15:34] <_stink_> i might use the word 'guy' instead.
[15:34] <_stink_> that's when i knew i was a 'linux guy'.
[15:35] <brousch> but that was not his question
[15:35] <jrwren> agreed.
[15:35] <jrwren> guru definition is entirely subjective.. that is part of why I asked.
[15:35] <_stink_> well
[15:35] <_stink_> then my answer is that i am not a guru
[15:35] <jrwren> _stink_: but you are to those people at work who use you as a resource.
[15:36] <_stink_> that's true, yes.
[15:36] <snap-l> I think everyone in this channel, to a T, can say they know someone who knows more about Linux than they do
[15:37] <snap-l> How did I become the go-to person for Linux questions? because I was for the longest time the only person
[15:37] <snap-l> It's not hard to be the pied piper when you're the only one playing the flute.
[15:37] <snap-l> it only depends on if the rats are listening
[15:38]  * snap-l wonders if he can abuse that metaphor any more than he already has
[15:39] <ptenhoopen> snap-l:  That was well put.
[15:41] <snap-l> Thank you.
[15:42] <brousch> i realized i was a guru when ptenhoopen let me present at him linux user group
[15:42] <brousch> his
[16:05] <ptenhoopen> brousch:  Glad to have elevated your status. :)
[17:18] <rick_h_> someone shut off my internet
[17:19] <rick_h_> please hurry, NC dude is going off
[17:19] <snap-l> Heh
[17:19] <snap-l> Just found out that my parents cat has a tumor and an abcess.
[17:19] <_stink_> :/
[17:19] <rick_h_> :(
[17:19] <snap-l> hopefully it's benign, but my parents aren't terribly happy at this point.
[17:20] <snap-l> Growing up sucks.
[17:20] <Wolfger> :-(
[17:20] <snap-l> thanks
[17:20] <Wolfger> abcesses suck
[17:25] <snap-l> Thanks.
[17:25] <snap-l> also, don't go to wikipeida to look them up
[17:29] <Wolfger> so noted
[17:35] <Wolfger> only 69 days until 11.10 comes out
[17:36] <brousch> 69!
[17:36] <Wolfger> I feel like I should be alpha/beta testing or something
[17:37] <brousch> make it so
[17:40]  * Wolfger waits for brousch to execute The Picard Maneuver...
[17:45] <Wolfger> ugh. Periscope down. Time to crank out a big report on moment's notice before EoB. Have a good weekend everybody
[17:59] <Blazeix> wtf, they added another game to the humble bundle 3? How am I supposed to get meaningful work done?
[18:01] <brousch> Blazeix: that's easy, don't buy games :P
[18:03] <Blazeix> I budgeted time for 5 games, now I have 7, and my curve is all thrown off.
[18:03] <Blazeix> I assume next week I'll have 8.
[18:04] <Blazeix> actually, I never bought HB2, so I suppose I have all those games too.
[18:19] <greg-g> oh man, what's the point of chromium having separate process for each tab if I can't kill one's pid without killing all of chromium?
[18:20] <greg-g> yep, you do :)
[18:20] <rick_h_> greg-g: there's a tool in chrome to do that
[18:21] <rick_h_> when I hit the config button there's a "view background pages" that lists tabs and extensions with an "end process"
[18:21] <greg-g> yeah, but what if I can't switch tabs/open up the wrench menu?
[18:21] <rick_h_> boom!
[18:21] <greg-g> yeah, big boom
[18:33] <Wolfger> ok, I'm going to have to buy this when I get home
[18:33] <Wolfger> not that I have time for more games in my life
[20:12] <snap-l> How's the afternoon treating everyone so far?
[20:12] <Blazeix> well, my 4 hour meeting turned into a 6 hour meeting.
[20:12] <Blazeix> so that was fun.
[20:13] <Blazeix> (company-wide, quarterly meeting)
[20:13] <snap-l> Blazeix: Oh dear god
[20:13] <snap-l> Did they at least give pee breaks?
[20:14] <snap-l> Blazeix: Ugh, even better
[20:14] <snap-l> "Let's hear it for Carol from Accounting, who made our processes 1.4% more efficient. Sadly, Carol cannot be with us because of the nervous breakdown she and her team had while aiming for that 1.4% efficiency boost".
[20:15] <snap-l> "Let that be a lesson to you all. I want you all to have nervous breakdowns if it means we can do more with less".
[20:19] <snap-l> "Also, I'd like to welcome Bob as the new head of accounting. I'm sure Bob will follow carefully in Carol's footsteps, and will be a great asset to the team. Plus he already knows the fine folks at Shady Pines Asylum from his previous position in finance."
[20:22] <Blazeix> yeah, that was pretty much it. talking about benefits, recruiting, other stuff I don't care about
[20:29] <snap-l> I really hate financial institution security.
[20:29] <snap-l> Pick the following image. Enter a catch phrase. What is your favorite brand of golf-ball
[20:30] <snap-l> I swear, it's like getting a rorschach test along with playing a party game
[20:33] <brousch> sqlalchemy gurus http://paste.mitechie.com/show/375/
[20:33] <brousch> my query does not seem to be filtering by is_bad
[20:33] <brousch> i don't know why
[20:37] <snap-l> What's in the column? (select distinct is_bad from table ...)
[20:38] <Blazeix> that should be ==, not =, right?
[20:38] <Blazeix> oh, wait, maybe both work
[20:38] <_stink_> filter_by should use single =, it hink
[20:38] <_stink_> filter() wants ==
[20:38] <Blazeix> ah, you're right
[20:39] <_stink_> can't tell why this wouldn't work, though.
[20:39] <snap-l> I think the data is hinky
[20:39] <brousch> i see 1s and 0s in the sqlite db
[20:39] <brousch> for true and false
[20:40] <snap-l> OK, so that's OK.
[20:40] <brousch> it seems to be getting set correctly, but it's returning all results, ignoring the filters
[20:41] <snap-l> did you try it without the limit?
[20:41] <_stink_> dunno, can you AND two filter_bys?
[20:41] <_stink_> i would guess you can
[20:41] <snap-l> also, what's the sql display?
[20:41] <_stink_> i know you can AND filter() like that.
[20:41] <brousch> maybe they don't chain?
[20:41] <brousch> i think they do
[20:42] <_stink_> i think they do too.
[20:42] <_stink_> but didn't test. :P
[20:42] <snap-l> add "echo=True" to your create_engine, and paste the SQL
[20:42] <snap-l> engine = create_engine('sqlite:///piddlepodderpy.db', echo=True)
[20:42] <brousch> i don't have a create engine
[20:42] <brousch> it's using flask-sqlalchemy
[20:43] <snap-l> Um, so find where it binds the engine and see if you can add the echo? :)
[20:44] <snap-l> Also, Unity can die in a fire with the way that windows that pop up steal focus
[20:44] <snap-l> Banshee doesn't like it when I tell it -sqlalchemy
[20:45] <snap-l> brousch: http://packages.python.org/Flask-SQLAlchemy/config.html
[20:45] <snap-l> SQLALCHEMY_ECHO
[20:46] <brousch> got it http://paste.mitechie.com/show/376/
[20:47] <snap-l> When you run that query under sqlite3, what does it give you?
[20:48] <Blazeix> hm, are you displaying the right variable on your UI? that query _seems_ correct
[20:48] <snap-l> Blazeix: ++.  Querying not supported.
[20:49] <brousch> looks like it doesn't work under sqlite3 either
[20:50] <brousch> hm
[20:51] <snap-l> Which version of sqlite3?
[20:51] <snap-l> (this is part of my eternal frustration with sqlite3. When it works it's a dream. When it doesn't, it's no better than just throwing random shit into files)
[20:52] <brousch> 3.6.22
[20:52] <snap-l> You may have a buggy version
[20:52] <brousch> it's the current version in ubuntu 10.04, so i hope not
[20:52] <Blazeix> flask is a web framework, right? maybe you should just set up postgres or something.
[20:53] <snap-l> That's the spirit. ;)
[20:53] <Blazeix> I've only ever had issues with sqlite.
[20:53] <Blazeix> I've never had it fail this hard before, though.
[20:53] <snap-l> "I see you're having problems with your puny file-based SQL engine. Man up and install a real database."
[20:54] <snap-l> I had problems with sqlite3 under 10.04 as well
[20:54] <snap-l> commits didn't commit
[20:54] <Blazeix> I'm exemplifying typical IRC helpfulness. "X isn't working."  "Why are you trying to X?"
[20:54] <snap-l> Blazeix: Oh, totally. That's the way of IRC.
[20:55] <snap-l> "I see you're trying to kill an ant. I find that flyswatter 2.0 is not effective. I prefer SCUD missiles, personally"
[20:56] <snap-l> "borax as ant poison? Takes too long. I just microwave my house."
[20:56] <snap-l> "I picked up 4 microwave dishes from the MIT flea market for dirt cheap. You might be able to find the same thing at Radio Shack"
[20:57] <snap-l> "total cost of the project: $30 and a handjob"
[20:57] <snap-l> (yes, I'm dissing Make and Lifehacker as well)
[20:58] <brousch> hm, i don't think these are getting set as bad
[20:58] <Blazeix> hm, didn't your initial 'distinct' query return some records with is_bad=True?
[20:58] <Blazeix> if you're setting stuff as is_bad=True, then immediately requerying, you might need to flush the session.
[20:59] <snap-l> Also check if a commit is sent
[20:59] <snap-l> brousch: Another thought: how many processes are connecting to this file?
[20:59] <brousch> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/377/
[21:00] <brousch> does that look right for setting is_bad in each of them?
[21:00] <snap-l> I'm not sure if sqlite3 can handle multiple connections
[21:00] <snap-l> brousch: Check the SQL.  Someone extended the boolean type in this project with a method called IsTrue()
[21:05] <snap-l> Beauty. :)
[21:05] <_stink_> haha
[21:06] <Blazeix> ah, it isn't as bad as i initially thought.
[21:07] <Blazeix> it was added as part of a fluent api unit test framework, where you write test cases like foo.hasBaz().isTrue()
[21:07] <Blazeix> it's a little bit awkward, but _maybe_ forgiveable for a fluent api
[21:08] <Blazeix> but the references leaked from the test project into the main project, so it was popping up in the autocomplete of my editor.
[21:14] <snap-l> I'm starting to really hate budget classical releases.
[21:14] <snap-l> Never any meta-data for any of them in MusicBrainz
[21:14] <snap-l> 15 tracks, each by a different composer / orchestra / conductor
[22:11] <brousch> it's like the commit never runs
[22:13] <brousch> hm, the change is made, but it's never committed
[22:39] <snap-l> rick_h_: sheesh, what did NC dude do to warrant you flooding the place?
[22:39] <snap-l> brousch: try mysql or postgresql
[22:58] <rick_h_> brousch: never use filter by, just filter. I wish he'd remove that filterby
[22:58] <brousch> what's the difference?
[22:59] <brousch> i don't think that's my problem though
[22:59] <brousch> the queries look correct, it's just not committing
[22:59] <rick_h_> sorry, reading scrollback
[23:00] <rick_h_> ok, so is .query valid for your model?
[23:00] <rick_h_> did you copy the part from my demo code that added that?
[23:00] <rick_h_> and are you getting results from your query?
[23:01] <rick_h_> e.g. your loop is executing?
[23:02] <rick_h_> and filterby brousch the space after the .\ I don't think is valid
[23:02] <rick_h_> bah sorry
[23:02] <rick_h_> you have spaces between the . and \
[23:03] <rick_h_> I don't think you can have that or it breaks the chain
[23:13] <brousch> i think i figured it out
[23:14] <brousch> something about the record not being in the session
[23:14] <brousch> so the commit doesn't see the change
[23:14] <brousch> and commits nothing
[23:15] <brousch> but if i add it, it ays that's already attached to a different session
[23:17] <rick_h_> you shouldn't have two sessions going on
[23:18] <rick_h_> the db.Model should be bound to db.session
[23:18] <rick_h_> not sure how flask extension sets it up
[23:19] <brousch> definitely something wonky there
[23:27] <brousch> a second session is coming from somewhere
[23:32] <brousch> i must have mucked it up when i moved my database models out of the same file as my views
[23:32] <brousch> i just moved them back and now it works
[23:38] <brousch> it works now, so i'm just going to leave the models in there
[23:43] <brousch> i think it's from the facy hookup the flask-sqlalchemy extension uses. if i use regular sqlalchemy i think it would work
[23:46] <rick_h_> well every web framework does some fancy hookup so that each request gets their own session
[23:46] <rick_h_> so that user 1 can't change/overwrite/conflict with user 2
[23:50] <brousch> but in http://paste.mitechie.com/show/377/
[23:50] <brousch> the changes to bgi are in a different session from the db.session.commit()
[23:54] <brousch> almost like it's pulling a new session out of thin air. is there a way to ensure something happens in a specific session?
[23:55] <brousch> maybe like db.session.query(GridItem)...
[23:55] <rick_h_> you create a session and then it goes bound to the db.Model
[23:56] <rick_h_> that needs to be the same session you're using in db.session
[23:58] <rick_h_> http://packages.python.org/Flask-SQLAlchemy/contexts.html ?


[11:17] <sil2100> Saviq: hey! Do you know if there was any progress on LP: #1644323 ? Did Robert look into that?
[11:18] <Saviq> sil2100, bug #1654365 has everything that I know about it
[13:31] <tsdgeos_unity8> ok, got quassel up :)
[20:32] <josharenson> Anyone know anything about this? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/269907  I'm seeing the same thing...