[06:28] <PorscheBoy> man...they page is messed up when i go to yahoo
[06:28] <eruin> pixelmonkey, it was until firefox matured
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> eruin, I still like it over Firefox.
[06:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) pixelmonkey: I agree, however if you fiddle with it a bit, firefox works the same as galeon
[06:29] <pixelmonkey> eruin, I use Firefox on Windows, but Firefox still doesn't have some basic things Galeon does.
[06:29] <JStrike> Nah.   I'd say that's pretty much THE feature in a web browser
[06:30] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, epiphany = gnome philosophy taken to an extreme level
[06:30] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) pixelmonkey: yeah
[06:30] <JStrike> Ephy is very HIG complient and Gnome integrated
[06:30] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, as Miguel De Icaza once put it, "Gnome once suffered from featuritis, but the answer isn't what some developers do now: no features.  We need a balance."
[06:30] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) JStrike: yeah and it had 0 of the hundred of features that made galeon good
[06:30] <farruinn> eruin, sorry, disregard that, I wasn't following the conversation correctly
[06:31] <JStrike> That is what made the lead developer of galeon leave. It was getting to be a fsking KDE app
[06:31] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes, but epiphany goes WAY too far in the other direction
[06:31] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, I think Galeon 1.x was becoming a KDE app
[06:31] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it's offers no flexibility
[06:31] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) *it
[06:31] <pixelmonkey> but Galeon 2.x has struck a nice balance, and since 1.3.17 when Crispin did performance improvements, it's fast.
[06:31] <hcker2000> GammaRay, from what i can find the modem dosnt work in ubuntu
[06:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) that's funny, because I far prefer Galeon 1.2.x to 1.3.x or Epiphany
[06:32] <carsonc> Out of curiosity, what features did Galeon have that Epiphany didn't?  Not a troll, I've just never really used either to any extent aside from just displaying normal webpages
[06:32] <carsonc> s/did/does
[06:32] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) the main thing is open new windows in a tab
[06:33] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) everything should open in a tab
[06:33] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) .. ok
[06:33] <JStrike> Ephy can do that
[06:33] <JStrike> In exactly the same way as FireFox
[06:33] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) middle click should open the current past buffer in a new tab
[06:34] <JStrike> What??
[06:34] <pixelmonkey> carsonc: let's see... save tabs as bookmark folder, session management/recovery, bookmark toolbar, smart bookmarks (bookmarks with searchable fields)
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) also one thing that galeon did right that NO other browser I have seen has done
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) if I right click on the home button
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it should have an option to set the home pahge
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) page
[06:34] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, I think ephy higifies it by letting you d-n-d the link onto home
[06:34] <JStrike> HrdwrBoB : That is a nice feature
[06:35] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, ok I'm wrong, I'm running epiphany now
[06:35] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) pixelmonkey: yeah but t right click on home is intuitive as well
[06:35] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, gotta go to preferences to set homepage :)
[06:36] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yeah
[06:36] <JStrike> I must admit. I really like the look of FF's download manager. Very nice
[06:36] <pixelmonkey> also, Epiphany gutted the "personal info" dialog
[06:36] <pixelmonkey> which I love in Galeon, especially when I do web development
[06:36] <pixelmonkey> and I can quickly clear out specific cookies and such
[06:36] <JStrike> Isn't that in Gnome?
[06:37] <JStrike> Oh. I see
[06:37] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, not sure, in epiphany the dialog has two tabs, in Galeon it has 6 or so and is searchable :)
[06:37] <PorscheBoy> how do you convert ReiserFS to XFS?
[06:37] <pixelmonkey> in any event
[06:38] <pixelmonkey> they are both solid browsers, but Galeon is way better.  Epiphany is "radicalized Gnome"
[06:38] <pixelmonkey> Firefox and Galeon are same footing I think, and will only get better as Firefox integrated with Gnome more
[06:38] <JStrike> Yep
[06:39] <JStrike> But there are limits
[06:39] <pixelmonkey> also, I like FIrefox's plugin/extension architecture
[06:39] <pixelmonkey> that's one thing they definitely have on Galeon
[06:40] <JStrike> But shaver is doing an incredible job with FF, especially the Gnome stuff
[06:40] <pixelmonkey> yea, don't get me wrong, Firefox rocks.  I could never use Windows without it
[06:40] <pixelmonkey> IE is such garbage
[06:40] <pixelmonkey> it makes me want to puke all over the computer that runs it (in fact, IE does the puking with its spyware nonsense)
[06:41] <calc> ms is hurting badly enough from gecko uptake that they are now planning on releasing an IE7
[06:41] <calc> perhaps IE7 will fix a few of the bugs in IE
[06:41] <pixelmonkey> IE is just a disaster of a browser.
[06:41] <eruin> LIKE THE FKIN BOX MODEL?! ;o
[06:41] <pixelmonkey> IE sucked ever since IE4
[06:41] <Tomcat_> I doubt IE7 can fix anything... except if the browser was rewritten from scratch.
[06:41] <gen> microsoft is a disaster of a company
[06:42] <pixelmonkey> at least in the original days it was just refashioned NCSA Mosaic.
[06:42] <JStrike> MS did an incredible job with IE. the problem is that they haven't released a new version for many years
[06:42] <pixelmonkey> so it sucked in a good way
[06:42] <eruin> how can I create a deb from an untarred source directory?
[06:42] <JStrike> gen : I disagree
[06:42] <gen> :)
[06:42] <Tomcat_> "incredible job"?
[06:42] <eruin> it already has the needed debian dir in it
[06:42] <JStrike> Tomcat_ : yep
[06:42] <gen> how did ms do an incredible job
[06:42] <Tomcat_> How can a company so big with millions of coders do an incredible job with such bad software? :>
[06:42] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, you can say MS did an incredible job with Visual Studio, or even with Exchange Server, but IE?
[06:43] <calc> ie was never any good spec wise
[06:43] <pixelmonkey> Come on.
[06:43] <Tomcat_> Firefox is an open-source program by a bunch of OS freaks, and it rocks. :)
[06:43] <JStrike> IE was a shitload better than Netscape after a point
[06:43] <Tomcat_> I agree with pixelmonkey... MS did a good job on many programs, but definitely not IE. :)
[06:43] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : IE's problem was that development was abandoned years ago
[06:43] <Tomcat_> JStrike: Yes, but only because Netscape was worse. :)
[06:43] <calc> JStrike: that was mostly caused by the browser arms race
[06:43] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, only because Netscape was amateurish in how they approached the original open-source like dev model
[06:43] <Tomcat_> Anyway, gotta go.
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, they released buggy code early and often which led many users to think Netscape was buggy in general
[06:44] <JStrike> Tomcat_ : And FireFox has taken *way* too long to come out
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> even though there WERE stable versions floating around
[06:44] <calc> ms had many more people/resources to throw at it, and they still managed to bungle it badly
[06:44] <JStrike> It is almost an embarrassment to oss
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> trust me, it also didn;t help netscape that Microsoft bundled IE with their OS
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> prior to MS doing that, Netscape "was" the Internet to a lot of people
[06:44] <jdub> dudes, this is all pretty wildly off-topic :-)
[06:45] <gen> just a tad
[06:45] <pixelmonkey> eh whatever
[06:45] <JStrike> It didn't help. But they were beaten fair and square
[06:45] <Rene_S> Hmm, well not really I can run all those Browsers in Ubuntu
[06:45] <calc> jdub: #ubuntu means blackhole of all off topic freenode discussions :)
[06:45] <auk> firefox rules
[06:45] <Rene_S> :)
[06:45] <Rene_S> I can make anything on-topic
[06:45] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, Opera beat Netscape and MS fair and square, but you don't see everyone using Opera
[06:46] <calc> someone was wanting to run Netscape 3 on debian recently, posted asking for libc5 versions of various libs :)
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, I think that the OS bundling did more than "help" :)
[06:46] <JStrike> jdub is like miguel. Kills all goof flamewars when they start to get intersting
[06:46] <JStrike> Unless he is in the mood for one :-)
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> flame wars are fun
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> we're not even flaming though
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> we all agree that IE sucks now.
[06:46] <auk> yes
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> I mean, it's not even tabbed.  Come on.
[06:47] <gen> we're flaming ie then, yes?
[06:47] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : MS do a cunning job of making a better product and then bundling it
[06:47] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, look, Im just saying if there was ever an MS failure, it was Microsoft Bob.  And IE.
[06:47] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : Did you ever actually run Opera? It had a horrible interface
[06:47] <JStrike> I agree on Bob :-)
[06:47] <calc> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
[06:48] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, eh, nah, I just said that based on hearsay ;)
[06:48] <auk> whats Bob?
[06:48] <pixelmonkey> don't ask
[06:48] <calc> auk: a dumbed down gui to replace win3.1's default gui
[06:48] <carsonc> MS Bob was awesome
[06:48] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) hey what?
[06:48] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) When makign packages of gnome apps, gconf schemas have to handled specially right? [im not just going insane?]
[06:49] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: I don't know if you got an answer but the how you do it is this 'cp'
[06:49] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you cannot 'convert'
[06:49] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) from reiser to XFS
[06:49] <calc> http://www.telecommander.com/pics/links/application%20software/microsoft/Microsoft_Bob_1_0/Microsoft_Bob_1_0.htm
[06:50] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) oh, and XFS isn't all it's cracked up to be, if the SCSI cable to the external storage unit gets removed, it can still break
[06:50] <pixelmonkey> speaking of HIG compliance, is there any effort to replace XChat, which is not HIG/Gnome compliant at all?
[06:50] <calc> jdub: hopefully #ubuntu won't become as bad as #debian ;)
[06:50] <JStrike> There are efforts. But nothing really great
[06:51] <jdub> xfs 'breaks' a lot. if you need a seriously robust file system, use ext3 with data journalling (not the default).
[06:51] <jdub> pixelmonkey: see gnomechat
[06:51] <PorscheBoy> HrdwrBoB, so is there a way i can do it without losing my data?
[06:51] <JStrike> gaim has quite a nice irc interface that I use
[06:51] <pixelmonkey> jdub, gracias
[06:51] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you cannot convert
[06:51] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you need to copy
[06:51] <jdub> PorscheBoy: back up, reformat, replace.
[06:51] <PorscheBoy> copy?
[06:51] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes, copy it from a resier volume to an XFS volume
[06:52] <PorscheBoy> then i need another HD, right?
[06:53] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, wow, I actually never knew Gaim had IRC support too
[06:53] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : It is really nice
[06:53] <JStrike> You can save channels just like buddies
[06:54] <JStrike> Set them to auto-join if you want
[06:54] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, oh wow it isn't bad
[06:54] <JStrike> If only gaim didn't have such a crap "account" interface
[06:56] <pixelmonkey> it's funny you mentioned gaim, I was just reading mailing list archives about gaim possibly being included in Gnome
[06:56] <pixelmonkey> and all these HIG experts saying "Gaim is a disaster UI-wise!"
[06:56] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it isnt the best UI
[06:56] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its by no means terrible
[06:57] <ajmitch_> is there a decent nx client that might get into hoary?
[06:57] <pixelmonkey> yea, I think for users of windows/mac AIM it's familiar yet better
[06:57] <pixelmonkey> familiar UI with added benefits like tabbed conversations, spell checking, plugins, etc.
[06:57] <mass> ok, don't justify any UI comparing it to windows AIM
[06:57] <mass> :P
[06:58] <pixelmonkey> mass: I'm just saying it's familiar.
[06:58] <mass> someone could throw up on a page and it would look better than AIM
[06:58] <mass> :)
[06:58] <pixelmonkey> anyway it's been fun doing OT conversation
[06:58] <pixelmonkey> I'm off to get my work done :-P
[06:58] <Rene_S> Everyone's a critic
[06:59] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : That is because it is currently the best there is. But now that Gossip is going to use libgaim, there is a very good chance Gossip will replace gaim
[06:59] <JStrike> Damn. He left
[06:59] <JStrike> I should as well
[06:59] <JStrike> Cheers Everyone
[07:00] <calc> is the imendio site dead to everyone or just to me?
[07:00] <JStrike> Nope. It  works
[07:00] <Rene_S> And that Concludes another Episode of The Gnome Critic, stay tuned now for Ubuntu Chat here on #Ubuntu.
[07:00] <calc> i can't even trace to it
[07:01] <calc> dies after fw-telia.euroling.se
[07:02] <mass> so is there anything really developer-facing for ubuntu?
[07:02] <riffic> so i fixed the problems with my hoary locking up with gnome
[07:02] <mass> besides the wiki
[07:02] <riffic> i reinstalled warty =/
[07:06] <riffic> anyways
[07:06] <riffic> crotchspawn
[07:07] <Rene_S> You should see a doctor for that
[07:16] <attifinch> hi
[07:27] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[07:32] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[07:34] <Burgundavia> hey, I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and I cannot get the battery applet to show the amount of battery power
[07:34] <RuffianSoldier> Burgundavia, its because your laptop is about to turn off! YOUR OUT OF POWER!
[07:35] <RuffianSoldier> What desktop are you using?
[07:35] <billytwowilly> updating appears to have borked cpu stepping. What is the configuration file to fix this?
[07:35] <billytwowilly> /etc/acpi doesn't appear to have any config files
[07:39] <aoeiu> hey buddies
[07:40] <aoeiu> I can build the mini.iso by running command `make build_netboot' with debian-installer source codes.
[07:40] <aoeiu> but I want to build the netinst.iso (include the Base System)
[07:40] <aoeiu> How to do it?
[07:40] <aoeiu> And how to include other packages? Say apache2.
[07:40] <aoeiu> Thanks!
[07:42] <billytwowilly> what is the name of the acpi configuration file? acpi.conf doesn't exist in /etc
[07:42] <Burgundavia> RuffianSoldier: warty of course
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> im not sure
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> never used Linux on a laptop
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> why is noone talking?
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> this is creepy
[08:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it's late in this timezone.
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> its 2 AM where im at
[08:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) yep, EST.
[08:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it _is_ Monday morning, the beginning of the work week.
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> where you at?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> Im in Ohio
[08:03] (crimsun/#ubuntu) North Carolina
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> whod you vote for?  Bush? :-P
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> huh?
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> wtf you on about?
[08:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh
[08:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) denial!
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> my real name is Henry Hill
[08:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) you just sorta sound like what I'd imagine Bush saying around the whitehouse
[08:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the same Henry Hill who killed 28 people w/ the sharp edge of a tin can?
[08:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) about time, too
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: gah.. you missed the best part
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> copy paste it
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) GammaRay> you just sorta sound like what I'd imagine Bush saying around the whitehouse
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) GammaRay> the same Henry Hill who killed 28 people w/ the sharp edge of a tin can?
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> hahaha
[08:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) :)
[08:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) "if you nolikey, why you here" -- George W Bush
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> hahaha, it does sound like Bush
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> that is crazy!
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> How do I choose to hide Icons in GNOME?
[08:17] <Agrajag> RuffianSoldier: desktop icons?
[08:17] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[08:17] <Agrajag> I think you have to go into gconf
[08:17] <Agrajag> applications > system tools > configuration editor
[08:18] <Agrajag> then go to apps/nautilus/desktop
[08:18] <Agrajag> click the checkboxes, changes appear immediately
[08:18] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm
[08:18] <RuffianSoldier> no icon thing
[08:19] <Agrajag> huh
[08:19] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) anybody have experience with installing skype?
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: sure. What do you need?
[08:20] <Agrajag> you don't see computer_icon_visible, documents_icon_visible, home_icon_visible, trash_icon_visible, or volumes_visible?
[08:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, well, in short, i can't get it to work
[08:20] <Agrajag> Oh you're just going to leave instead
[08:20] <Agrajag> Don't know why I bother
[08:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, did you just find a deb and use apt-get?
[08:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Agrajag: remember, he's george bush in disguise. Cut him some slack.
[08:20] <humbo> How do I install libdvdcss. Jacob on planet.gnome.org seems to imply it can be apt-get'ed but my system says there is no such package.
[08:20] <Agrajag> oh
[08:20] <Agrajag> well I hate george bush, I'm definitely not helping him now
[08:21] <humbo> *jakub, that is
[08:21] <Agrajag> humbo: you need to add a repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <humbo> which one?
[08:21] <Agrajag> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:21] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: no, I untarred the tarball in my home directory
[08:21] <Agrajag> I think that's the one
[08:21] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, ok, where did you find it?
[08:22] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: the skype web site
[08:22] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: click download
[08:22] <jysse> how can i remove postfix without removing ubuntu-base and others ?
[08:23] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, ok, which one?  SuSE, mandrake, fedora, dynamic or static?
[08:23] (crimsun/#ubuntu) dynamic
[08:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jysse: maybe --ignore-depends=package,...
[08:27] <jysse> thanx, i will try it. I would like to test qmail with info from qmailrocks.org.
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jysse: install another MTA
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jysse: having a mail server on your system is mandatory
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jysse: it'll break a lot more...
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (if you don't have one)
[08:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm why does postfix depend on at?
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> http://img13.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img13&image=Ubuntu.jpg
[08:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) or rather, why does at depend on postfix?
[08:32] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: at depends on mail-transfer-agent, postfix is one..
[08:32] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: because at mails the output of  the program it ran to the person who asked to run it
[08:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic
[08:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) like cron..
[08:32] <RuffianSoldier> http://img13.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img13&image=Ubuntu.jpg = My Ubuntu desktop (Just went back to Gnome from KDE.... I like both equilly!)
[08:34] <RuffianSoldier> GammaRay, look at my screen
[08:36] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, i had a friend who was helping me out, and he tried that on my machine
[08:36] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, it apparently installed
[08:37] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) but when i try to run it, it gives me this error  skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:38] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) and he has tried to find that lib file in the universal repository or something, and he hasn't been able to replace it to make it work
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: k, one sec.
[08:43] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[08:43] <humbo> Gosh darn. ubuntuforums.org doesn't seem to have a very good uptime record...
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[08:44] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version.
[08:45] (crimsun/#ubuntu) dpkg -l libqt3c102\*|grep ^ii
[08:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ii  libqt3c102-mt  3.2.3-4ubuntu1 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version)
[08:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) (...whatever that means)
[08:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: is that all?
[08:46] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea
[08:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) interesting.
[08:46] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) uh huh...
[08:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) you don't seem to have 'libqt3c102' installed
[08:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) sudo apt-get --reinstall install libqt3c102 libqt3c102-mt
[08:47] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) but i have installed it....it just says i haven't....?
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Setting up libqt3c102 (3.2.3-4ubuntu1) ...
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Setting up libqt3c102-mt (3.2.3-4ubuntu1) ...
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074@ubuntu ~ $
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sorry for flooding.... :/
[08:48] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ok.
[08:48] (crimsun/#ubuntu) now try running skype again.
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) same error
[08:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) all right.
[08:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) then you'll have to use the static version
[08:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I'll download the dynamic and try it.
[08:49] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[08:50] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) so what exactly is it i should do?  do i need to DL it now and try it? or are you gonna work on the dynamic problem first?
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) lemme see if I can reproduce the problem with the dynamic tar.bz2
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 'twill only take a min
[08:51] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) okie dokie
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) in the meantime, go ahead and download the 6 MB static version
[08:51] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[08:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) all right.
[08:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the dynamic version (<IP_ADDRESS>) works fine here
[08:53] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) grrr
[08:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) try the static version
[08:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) that should at least resolve the libqt-* problem
[08:54] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok...now that it's DLed...?
[08:55] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i'm not real good at this ;)
[08:55] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) dpkg?
[08:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) nope
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) just make sure you're in your home directory; then untar it: tar xfj skype...tar.bz2
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) replace the ellipses (...) with the actual filename
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) remember you can use tab completion in the terminal
[08:56] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) done
[08:56] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) now change into that directory
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and run ./skype
[08:57] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) geez
[08:58] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea.....
[08:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) dpkg -l libxrender1|grep ^ii
[08:58] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ii  libxrender1    0.8.3-7        X Rendering Extension client library
[08:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) interesting, you have all the necessary libs installed
[08:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) are you running amd64?
[08:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) as far as i know
[08:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea
[08:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ah
[09:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I bet that's the issue
[09:00] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ??? i thought ubuntu was for a 64....
[09:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) there is, but I'm uncertain whether skype will run on amd64
[09:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I'm not well-versed with amd64, either; a few people here are
[09:01] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i see
[09:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: around? :)
[09:01] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) well thanks for you help nonetheless
[09:04] <knarph> hello
[09:05] <knarph> anyone here got doom3 running in Ubuntu?
[09:07] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) not i
[09:07] <knarph> hrmm
[09:07] <knarph> got a weird bug that causes crashing
[09:07] <knarph> i think its in the sound, but i'm not sure where exactly to look
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i'm here to get help, not dole it out....i'm mostly useless to you
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sorry, bro ;)
[09:08] <knarph> sokay ;0
[09:08] <knarph> I got neverwinter & ut2004 to break ;)
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) awesome
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) how is UT2004?
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i haven't played since 2003 came out
[09:09] <knarph> actually very nice.
[09:09] <knarph> there's a TON of new functionality, and the new mode Onslaught is killer
[09:09] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sounds nifty
[09:10] <knarph> yah, definetly convinced me that they were taking a different path than EA(same game, new year)
[09:10] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sweet
[09:10] <knarph> it's like the jump from xcom to xcom2, or fallout to fallout23
[09:10] <knarph> err fallout2
[09:11] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) meh...i'm not much of a gamer...i've just tooled around a bit
[09:11] <knarph> heh, that's waht demos are for
[09:11] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) and that's what free time if for ;)
[09:11] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) is*
[09:12] <knarph> free as in beer?
[09:12] <knarph> ;P
[09:12] <knarph> okay, night all
[09:12] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) night knarph
[09:14] <calc> crimsun: yes, whats up
[09:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: bigbrother0074 has some amd64 issues with Qt3
[09:15] <calc> haven't run kde on amd64 in several months
[09:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: he's attempting to run skype (both the dynamic and the static tarball from skype's web site don't work)
[09:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: just wondering if there's any magic required to get 32-bit binaries to work under ubuntu's amd64
[09:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i always thought there wasn't any magic involved
[09:16] <calc> well you have to have the libraries that it requires, or it needs to be staticly compiled
[09:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) it was built backward compatable or whatever
[09:16] <calc> but other than that, i don't recall any issues
[09:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, could you walk me through it perhaps?
[09:16] <calc> i typically just run stuff in the dist already or compile it myself though
[09:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the odd thing is that bigbrother0074 has the libs that the skype executable is asking for
[09:17] <calc> bigbrother0074: what does it do when you try to run it?
[09:17] <calc> crimsun: ah
[09:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) so I'm wondering if it's a loader issue
[09:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 32-/64-bit etc.
[09:17] <calc> ah ok
[09:17] <calc> do you have the proper libXrender?
[09:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) not really familiar with the ins and outs of pure64, etc.
[09:17] <calc> eg the same as the bitness of your app
[09:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i don't know
[09:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) how would i find out
[09:18] <calc> it would probably be under /usr/libX/libXrender.so.X
[09:18] <calc> like /usr/lib /usr/lib32 or /usr/lib64
[09:18] <calc> afaik ubuntu doesn't use lib64
[09:19] <calc> i haven't booted my ubuntu system in a while
[09:19] <calc> it sounds like you don't have a version of libXrender that is for the same arch as the app though
[09:19] <calc> likely the app is 32bit
[09:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i don't have libXrender.so.X
[09:20] <calc> you can find out what arch it is by running file foo
[09:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ah wait, is this the old render mess?
[09:20] <calc> bigbrother0074: the filename would be something like libXrender.so.1
[09:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i have .1 and .1.0.2 instead of .X
[09:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[09:20] <cornflake> where's the howto for setting up nfs on ubuntu?
[09:20] <calc> X being whatever number ;)
[09:21] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) gotcha
[09:21] <calc> what does file skype tell you about the arch?
[09:21] <cornflake> does anyone know how to configure nfs on ubuntu?
[09:21] <Adrenal> what do i put into the terminal to get a geforce nvidia driver on a k7 system?
[09:22] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, how would i know what skype says about the arch?
[09:22] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, and how do i read the libXrender file?
[09:22] <calc> bigbrother0074: type "file skype" in the same dir as the skype executable
[09:23] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) skype: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.30, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[09:23] <calc> ok and what does file /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.0.2 output
[09:23] <Adrenal> anyone, with the graphics driver?
[09:24] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) libXrender.so.1.2.2: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[09:24] <calc> bigbrother0074: is there a libXrender file under /usr/lib32 ?
[09:25] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) no
[09:25] <calc> bigbrother0074: ok then that seems to be your problem
[09:25] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ahh...ok
[09:25] <calc> there is a 64bit version of libXrender but no 32bit one on your system, and the app is 32bit
[09:25] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) makes sense
[09:26] <calc> bigbrother0074: btw ldd skype would show you which libraries are missing
[09:26] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Ohmer, ok
[09:26] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crap....oh..ok
[09:26] <calc> you might be able to copy the libXrender file out of a deb for i386 version and make it work
[09:27] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ldd skype produces quite a list
[09:27] <calc> if you do that though make sure to copy it into the lib32 dir not your lib dir
[09:27] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) oh wait...it says which ones aren't found
[09:27] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[09:30] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, would you mind walking me through that?  i'm not good w/ this stuff yet
[09:30] <calc> download the deb off the ftp/http server
[09:30] <calc> make a temporary dir
[09:30] <calc> change into it
[09:31] <calc> dpkg -x foo.deb .
[09:31] <calc> find the files you need and copy them into /usr/local/lib32 (since it is local non package manager changes)
[09:31] <calc> repeat for whichever libraries are missing, etc
[09:32] <calc> oh yea and after you finish run ldconfig to update the cache
[09:32] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, does it matter where i run ldconfig from?
[09:33] <calc> no
[09:33] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok i'll work on that
[09:33] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) thanks for all your help
[09:33] <calc> must be run as root as well as the copying of the libraries
[09:34] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) alright
[09:34] <calc> bigbrother0074: afterwards when you run ldd skype you should see that it finds the libraries you added
[09:35] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) alright
[09:36] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, i'm not exactly sure how to find what i'm looking for.  i've googled "deb libXrender.so.1 i386" and i haven't found anything i can DL so far
[09:37] <billytwowilly> anyone know why ubuntu doesn't use submount or something similar? whatever it is using to automount cds is pissing me off
[09:37] <calc> bigbrother0074: should be in the same repo as is listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:37] <calc> bigbrother0074: except for i386 instead of amd64
[09:37] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ok
[09:38] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xrender/
[09:38] <calc> probably this one if the amd64 one is the same version
[09:38] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xrender/libxrender1_0.8.3-7_i386.deb
[09:39] <Chibi> WHEW! :D
[09:40] <Chibi> Now have a full usable Ubuntu setup on my p133 :D
[09:40] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Chibi: slow as hell, probably?
[09:41] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, i'm looking for "libXrender.so.1" which i don't see listed there
[09:41] <potato> Chibi, well done
[09:41] <calc> bigbrother0074: the names in that dir are package names, not library names
[09:41] <Chibi> Yep, pretty bad. But I'm only planning to use it as a VT to home when I go out.
[09:41] <calc> bigbrother0074: once you extract the deb you will see the files
[09:41] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, oh...oops
[09:41] <Chibi> So pretty much all the laptop will be doing is acting as a long distance monitor. D:
[09:42] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, so how do i know which package mine came from?
[09:42] <calc> bigbrother0074: ah yes that would be a good thing to find out, especially since you can tell which other libs you need
[09:42] <calc> bigbrother0074: run dpkg -S /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1
[09:43] <calc> bigbrother0074: then to find the version number of the package you can do dpkg -l | grep (packagename)
[09:43] <calc> or dpkg -p (packagename)
[09:43] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, i got this:  libxrender1: /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1
[09:43] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) does that mean the package is libxrender1?
[09:44] <calc> bigbrother0074: yes, like the url i posted above :)
[09:44] <calc> bigbrother0074: then dpkg -l | grep libxrender1 will tell you the version
[09:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ahhh.....gotcha
[09:45] <calc> there are two available versions depending on the version of ubuntu you are running
[09:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok...it's the one you gave me
[09:46] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) so i'll get to work replacing them
[09:51] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, k.  now they're replaced and no more missing....just run skype now?
[09:53] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) damn!  when i did that, it gave the same error again:  skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:54] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) so will that not work?
[09:54] <Chibi> Any...year...now....
[09:55] <YokoZar> ooh I found a bug in the installer I AM ELITE
[09:55] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Chibi, how does VT work?
[09:56] <Chibi> I'd love to take a look, but I don't have a router to split it into. I know that FreeNX runs very well though.
[09:56] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ?
[09:57] <Chibi> So I'll have to wait til next time I go out to see how well the laptop handles it. If it's too slow, I can still just use SSH. :P
[09:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) out of frustration w/ dpkg
[09:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) pkg-grep() { dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | grep "$1"; }
[09:58] <calc> bigbrother0074: was libqt-mt.so.3 missing?
[09:58] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) it wasn't listed
[09:59] <calc> bigbrother0074: hmm which libraries did you have to add?
[09:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) just the one libXrender one
[09:59] <calc> oh
[09:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sometimes I wonder if anyone ever thought dkpg would be used by actual people
[09:59] <calc> maybe it dlopens libqt
[09:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, do you want to see the output of the ldd skype in #flood?
[10:00] <calc> ok
[10:01] <calc> bigbrother0074: you probably need to do the same for libqt-mt.so.3
[10:01] <calc> bigbrother0074: dlopen'd libs don't show up in ldd output
[10:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) dpkg -l '*blah*' is just painful to type, and outputs a mess )-:
[10:01] <YokoZar> What's the name of the component that partitions disks at install time?  I need to report a bug there
[10:02] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, so do the same thing?
[10:02] <calc> bigbrother0074: yes
[10:02] <calc> will be nice when multiarch is done
[10:03] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, where is libqt-mt?
[10:03] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i don't see it in lib32
[10:04] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, oh, it's in /usr/lib
[10:04] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[10:05] <calc> its not in lib32 which is your problem, you need the 32bit version of it also
[10:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) is the --installed option to apt-cache broken or something?
[10:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it returns the same output if I use it or not
[10:15] <calc> wow ubuntu has enough users of ia64 to need a port?
[10:15] <jdub> calc: the gelato project are collaborating :)
[10:15] <potato> prolly because there aren't that many 64 bit distros out there yet
[10:15] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how come ubuntu is so far behind on major packages like firefox and gaim? most of them are like 2 iterations past ubuntus
[10:16] <calc> potato: there are only a handful of ia64 out there at all, mostly in large clusters
[10:16] <jdub> |QuaD|: we're not, really.
[10:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ok i did all that and when i did ldconfig i got:  ldconfig: Can't link /usr/lib32/libqt-mt.so.3 to libqt-mt.so.3.2.3
[10:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied
[10:16] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) .9.3 for mozilla and 1.0.0 for gaim?
[10:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) socks, i copied the so.3 file and it wouldn't let me make it a symbolic link....
[10:17] <jdub> |QuaD|: warty froze in june with some updates past that for bug fixes before warty was released as stable in october.
[10:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) damn
[10:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) damn that autocompletion
[10:17] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so no packages from warty will be updated?
[10:17] <jdub> |QuaD|: the versions in warty are not particularly old, unless you're using sid or gentoo as a benchmark.
[10:17] <jdub> |QuaD|: no, it's released and stable.
[10:18] <calc> bigbrother0074: did you copy over both library files from the deb?
[10:18] <sid77> hi
[10:18] <calc> |QuaD|: hoary is even more up to date than sid
[10:18] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, yes, but after i copied the so.3 file, i got:  ldconfig: /usr/lib32/libqt-mt.so.3 is not a symbolic link
[10:18] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i hear hoary crashes a lot thouhg?
[10:18] <calc> bigbrother0074: hmm i'm not sure what the problem is
[10:19] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) then i tried to delete it and tried:  ln -s libqt-mt.so.3.2.3 libqt-mt.so.3
[10:19] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) does hoary crash a lot?
[10:19] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) and same error as before
[10:19] <calc> |QuaD|: gnome 2.9 might, but hoary in general shouldn't be particularly crashy, i haven't run it yet though
[10:20] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) hmm, i have always run sid
[10:20] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) which was fairly stable
[10:21] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how is gnome 2.9?
[10:22] <Chibi> Not too broken. GTK2.5, however, could seriously use a lookover.
[10:22] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) any nice new features?
[10:22] <Chibi> Nah. Nothing yet.
[10:22] <Gmail> yes
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) like what
[10:23] <jdub> calc: evo's a bit b0rk atm.
[10:23] <Gmail> lots og new features
[10:23] <Gmail> the file maniger
[10:23] <Gmail> smoth scroll
[10:23] <Gmail> ...
[10:23] <Gmail> it in the gtk wiki
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ahh
[10:23] <Chibi> Eh? We still have nautilus 2.8 :P
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i will consider it
[10:23] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, any ideas?
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i didn't realize that warty freezes the archive
[10:23] <jdub> Chibi: (but we also have gtk+ 2.5)
[10:24] <calc> bigbrother0074: nope i mentioned above i am not sure what is going on :\
[10:24] <Chibi> Yes, GTK2.5=bork :/
[10:24] <Gmail> by file maniger i ment the thing you see when you file > open
[10:24] <jdub> it's great :)
[10:24] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ok....thanks for all your help anyway
[10:24] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) g'night
[10:24] <calc> jdub: well the whole OS shouldn't go down is what i meant to say, gnome related stuff is the only things in early beta on hoary, right?
[10:25] <jdub> calc: yeah
[10:25] <Chibi> calc- There's a few rough system features, too.
[10:25] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) is there a hoary changelog?
[10:25] <jdub> calc: so i hear you're moving into gnome development :)
[10:25] <Chibi> Watch out for hotplug. If it gives you problems, uplug everything you don't really need.
[10:25] <jdub> |QuaD|: hoary-changes mailing list
[10:26] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ahh ok :)
[10:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm I just got the new U2 album..
[10:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) so I better go to sleep now.. or I will be up all night
[10:31] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how easy is it to set up a mailserver inubuntu?
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: well there is one installed by default
[10:32] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so if i send mail to my ip... it should work?
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) you just have to figure out how to get it to listen to your network
[10:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: no, the mail server doesn't listen on an external port by default
[10:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: check /etc/postfix/master.cf and /etc/postfix/main.cf
[10:34] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) looks like fun to setup :)
[10:34] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) whats port 650?
[10:34] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) it is open on my system
[10:34] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: look in /etc/services
[10:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: also see lsof -i:650
[10:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: best way to check which program opened it, use 'netstat -np'
[10:35] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) it was unknown
[10:35] (bob2/#ubuntu) hah
[10:35] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) famd
[10:36] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) what is 31 (labeled as ipp)?
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) quinophex: ipp = printer
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: uh that;'s for you
[10:36] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh yeah i figured
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: but everything should only listen on <IP_ADDRESS>:port
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: not <IP_ADDRESS>:port
[10:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) people obsess about "open ports" waaaaay too much
[10:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) I blame steve gibson
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) Treenaks: what do you mean
[10:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: in netstat..
[10:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: it means it's not actually an open port
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) right
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i realize that
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) does this mean i am fine without a firewall, cuz only those 2 ports are open?
[10:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) the default ubuntu install has no need for a firewall
[10:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) by default no ports are open
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i have 2 ports open, sshd and httpd
[10:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) not ipp and not famd
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) you think i should put one up?
[10:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ok :)
[10:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) presumably you want people to be able to access your ssh and http servers
[10:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) right?
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) obviously... i would allow those ports in
[10:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: not unless you want to control access to those ports
[10:38] <nevyn> bob2: you'
[10:39] <nevyn> bob2: you're not the only one to bleame steve gibson.
[10:39] <nevyn> he's the shields-up guy yeah?
[10:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) yea... everyone does..
[10:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's a national pasttime
[10:40] <humbo> what did steve gibson do wrong?
[10:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) nevyn: hah
[10:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) (sounds like nothing)
[10:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) he made people obsess about "open ports"
[10:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) without explaining wtf it meant
[10:43] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) what is the difference between a closed and "stealthed" port?
[10:45] <daniels> |QuaD|: nothing you need to care about
[10:45] <daniels> |QuaD|: it's not a problem
[10:45] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh, not the answer i was looking for  :(
[10:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the open one reponds to "pings"
[10:46] (bob2/#ubuntu) maybe he means DROP vs REJECT?
[10:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) oh
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) "stealth" isn't anything in tcp or in iptablesd
[10:47] <daniels> yes
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) DROP means you just ignore packets coming in to that port
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) REJECT means you reply with "nothing's listening on that port"
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) DROP is pretty pointless unless you drop every single incoming connection
[11:08] <Adrenal> are there any tools i can get to change a .wmv to a .mov, or any other format?
[11:10] <Adrenal> anyone?
[11:11] <potato> Adrenal, mencoder will do that for you
[11:11] <Adrenal> kk
[11:11] <potato> I tend to encode into divx
[11:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ffmpeg works great too
[11:11] <kensai> Let me try my luck: ANd for riping from a cd to .mp3 is there something?
[11:12] <potato> kensai, many things
[11:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: yes, install the MP3 stuff (see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[11:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: (gstreamer etc.) then sound-juicer will be able to rip to mp3 I think
[11:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: and you want to rip to ogg :)
[11:12] <calc> abcde is nice but probably in universe
[11:12] <potato> ogg rules
[11:13] <calc> flac! :)
[11:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) calc: oggflac!
[11:13] <kensai> then how do I make a music cd out of that music I ripped with nautilus-burning cd
[11:13] <kensai> ?
[11:13] <potato> kensai, k3b can handle that
[11:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: you can't burn audio CDs with nautilus yet
[11:13] <calc> iirc oggflac is changing soon, so if you want to rip to that best to update from upstream
[11:14] <kensai> potato, where is the wiki to k3b?
[11:16] <Adrenal> will ffmpeg work for a windows media file though?
[11:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Adrenal: yes
[11:16] <Adrenal> cos mencoder has dependency issues
[11:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Adrenal: it uses libavifile
[11:22] <Adrenal> DAMMIT
[11:22] <Adrenal> whenever i try to install any of those progs
[11:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) which programs?
[11:22] <Adrenal> fucking libavcodec2 breaks
[11:22] <Adrenal> ffmpeg, mencoder and libavifile
[11:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Adrenal: did you follow the instructions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[11:24] <Adrenal> looking now
[11:25] <schwuk> I need to re-install grub to my MBR, but it's nt working from Knoppix/chroot - any ideas?
[11:29] <Adrenal> FFS
[11:29] <Adrenal> there is nothing there
[11:29] <Adrenal> nothing of any use anyway
[11:29] <Adrenal> the codecs just won't install
[11:34] <Adrenal> and can't remvoe broken files
[11:34] <Adrenal> dagnammit
[11:46] <joha> Hi all!
[11:46] <joha> Hi all!
[11:46] <joha> Where do I get the Ubuntu patches for gnome-panel?
[11:46] <joha> The source you get from apt-get is for the Debian one.
[11:47] <agwibowo> does anyone know any program to uncompress RAR file in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <joha> How about unrar?
[11:48] <agwibowo> is it available?
[11:48] <adnans> agwibowo, apt-get install unrar-nonfree; unrar x file.rar
[11:49] <agwibowo> cannot find it
[11:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) agwibowo: add multiverse to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <agwibowo> already
[11:50] <joha> And nobody an idea about where to find the Ubuntu patches for gnome-panel?
[11:50] <agwibowo> don't worry about it
[11:50] <agwibowo> i think i've found it in synaptic
[11:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) joha: apt-get source gnome-panel, in the debian/ directory
[11:51] <joha> Treenaks: AAAH! Thanks! I did apt-get source it, but only applied the patch that was in that directory then.
[11:52] <seb128> joha: you need to change something to the patch ?
[11:54] <joha> seb128: Yes, I want to add suspend support to gnome-panel.
[11:54] <joha> seb128: Actually, I already have it working but not with the Ubuntu menu.
[11:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) suspend support?
[11:55] <joha> Yes. Above the "Log Out" button I added a "Suspend" button, because I figured it would not be appropriate to have that as an option in the Log Out menu since you do not log out when suspending your computer.
[11:55] (HcE/#ubuntu) there should be a hatch to passwordprotect at unsuspend
[11:56] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) HcE: there is one for the blank/unblanking (currently in warty)
[11:56] <joha> Well, you could just call the usual "Lock Screen" command. I myself would not want it though.
[11:56] <seb128> joha: ok
[11:56] <joha> seb128: If you're interested I can see if I find the time to make it usable for everybody (gconf option and so on)
[11:57] (HcE/#ubuntu) I'm paranoid so I would call xlock or something similar
[11:57] (HcE/#ubuntu) =)
[11:59] <joha> brb, breakfast
[12:00] <seb128> joha: that would be nice yes, thanks
[12:01] <Shadow2> apt-cache search <packagename>
[12:12] <Rus> hello brothers
[12:12] <Rus> i am linux user!!
[12:12] <plasmo> ahlo
[12:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rus: so are many more people here ;) welcome
[12:12] <Rus> Treenaks:good day brother
[12:13] <nevyn> Rus: uh-huh. how are you doing?
[12:13] <plasmo> :-o
[12:13] <Rus> nevyn:i am doing good and how are you
[12:13] <agwibowo> how to add the multiverse repository?
[12:13] <nevyn> ok...
[12:13] <nevyn> I was angry reading /. today.. but I've gotten over it.
[12:13] <Rus> nevyn: where are you from?
[12:14] <nevyn> australia
[12:15] <Rus> In Australia live our boxer Kostya Dzyu. Do you know him?
[12:15] <plasmo> yep. great boxer :o
[12:15] <nevyn> ummm he's our boxer now ;)
[12:16] <daniels> i thought it was kosta tszyu
[12:16] <daniels> but that's offtopic, anyhow :)
[12:16] <Rus> plasmo:what do you know about Russia???
[12:16] <plasmo> rus: i know it snows ;)
[12:17] <agwibowo> anyone
[12:17] <agwibowo> ....
[12:17] <Rus> plasmo:do you know that you can see bears in streets of Russia!!
[12:17] <agwibowo> how to add the multiverse repository
[12:17] <plasmo> rus: i had no idea lol
[12:17] <agwibowo> i need to get the unrar program...
[12:17] <plasmo> i got a kangeroo in my backyard :)
[12:18] <Rus> plasmo:go to Russia and see for yourself
[12:18] <plasmo> im too poor to travel
[12:18] <Rus> plasmo: it is very interesting
[12:19] <Rus> plasmo:i am too
[12:19] <plasmo> ;)
[12:19] <Rus> :D
[12:20] <agwibowo> multiverse repository.................
[12:20] <agwibowo> please....
[12:20] <plasmo> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <agwibowo> what's the address
[12:20] <plasmo> just uncomment the required areas
[12:21] <Rus> one day I have spoken to Brazilians, he told me that he think that bear walk on streets of Russia... :(
[12:21] <agwibowo> there's no such "multiverse" there
[12:21] <plasmo> uncomment them all
[12:21] <plasmo> and then do a apt-get update
[12:21] <xukun> can I use ubuntu as a server?
[12:22] <plasmo> ofcourse
[12:22] <agwibowo> the one currently commented are the "src"
[12:22] <agwibowo> that can't be where i can get unrar from
[12:22] <xukun> being unstable and all that
[12:22] <Rus> do you knoe a few words in Russian?
[12:23] <plasmo> vodka
[12:23] <Rus> and any others
[12:23] <Rus> ?
[12:23] <plasmo> nope :|
[12:23] <Rus> have you ever drink vodka??
[12:24] <plasmo> sometimes
[12:24] <Rus> and how is it??
[12:25] <plasmo> its alrite
[12:25] <Rus> I like vodka very very much!!! we are drinking it right now
[12:26] <Rus> he he he
[12:26] <plasmo> :D
[12:26] <Rus>    !
[12:26] <Rus> !!!
[12:26] <agwibowo> i prefer water
[12:26] <agwibowo> yadda yadda
[12:26] <agwibowo> cannot read them
[12:27] <plasmo> u got your unrar yet? lol
[12:27] <agwibowo> no!
[12:27] <agwibowo> this is distressing
[12:27] <plasmo> i think it is from deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:27] <agwibowo> i need it to do my work... and can't get it..
[12:27] <plasmo> or 'warty' wateva u prefer
[12:27] <agwibowo> universe is added
[12:27] <Rus> agwibowo: Russia svyachennaya nasha dergava!!!
[12:28] <agwibowo> but i still can't find unrar
[12:28] <plasmo> apt-get install unrar
[12:28] <agwibowo> Rus: Russia orang aneh
[12:28] <plasmo> 'apt-get update' first
[12:28] <agwibowo> already
[12:28] <Rus> do you know what means c2h5oh
[12:28] <Rus> ?
[12:28] <plasmo> D:
[12:28] <plasmo> nope
[12:29] <Rus> agwibowo: what do you mean?
[12:29] <Rus> plasmo: I mean C2H5OH!
[12:29] <agwibowo> Rus: precisely, i don't understand what you said
[12:29] <plasmo> no idea
[12:29] <agwibowo> Rus: so we are in the same boat
[12:29] <agwibowo> hehe
[12:31] <Rus> plasmo: it is spirit
[12:31] <agwibowo> thx..
[12:31] <agwibowo> plasmo: thx
[12:31] <plasmo> have a look at my list :/
[12:31] <plasmo> might help you
[12:31] <Rus> agwibowo: this mean that Russia is a great country!
[12:32] <plasmo> agwibowo: if youre using warty just replace hoary with warty
[12:32] <agwibowo> plasmo: ok
[12:32] <agwibowo> Rus: i regard every country in the world are great countries. there are no single country that is greater than others
[12:33] <Rus> China?
[12:33] <agwibowo> plasmo: hmm yours is the same as mine
[12:33] <plasmo> :x
[12:33] <agwibowo> what's wrong with china?
[12:34] <Rus> It is fucking country!
[12:34] <agwibowo> when i did apt-get install unrar, it says that unrar is referred by another package.. bla bla bla
[12:34] <plasmo> normally i would do a apt-get update then a apt-cache search unrar
[12:34] <agwibowo> how can i get over it?
[12:34] <agwibowo> Rus: are you racist?
[12:35] <plasmo> hold on ill get you a unrar link
[12:35] <agwibowo> ok...
[12:35] <joha> seb128: Okay, I'll be happy to. But really no promises as to the time scale. My life's pretty much a mess and before today I've never touched gtk, let alone any gnome component.
[12:36] <Rus> no, but chinese have occupied our territoties!!!
[12:36] <Rus> is Siberia
[12:36] <Rus> sorry...in Siberya!
[12:36] <seb128> joha: ok, no problem, thanks anyway :)
[12:36] <agwibowo> Rus: hmm.... then i don't know
[12:37] <ajmitch_> great, X hung on startup..
[12:38] <Rus> do you hear that the our president had given some of our islands on Amur river to them!!!
[12:38] <Rus> ???
[12:38] <the_one> hi everyone!
[12:38] <Rus> :(
[12:38] <plasmo> hello neo
[12:39] <agwibowo> well.. i don't know
[12:39] <Rus> the_one:you must be neo
[12:39] <agwibowo> why don't you complain to your president??
[12:41] <Rus> He has much power and we can do nothing about it we drinked vodka for many days,because we were in mourning
[12:41] <agwibowo> ooo
[12:42] <plasmo> agwibowo: your rar working yet? lol
[12:42] <Rus> yeees
[12:42] <agwibowo> plasmo: still downloading it
[12:42] <plasmo> D:
[12:42] <Rus> how translate lol?
[12:43] <plasmo> http://world.altavista.com/ translates everything
[12:43] <agwibowo> yay!
[12:43] <agwibowo> thx plasmo!
[12:43] <agwibowo> what about rar?
[12:43] <agwibowo> do you have the link?
[12:43] <Rus> what lol means
[12:43] <Rus> ?
[12:44] <agwibowo> lough out loud
[12:44] <plasmo> means . ha ha
[12:45] <Rus> good bye to  all of you
[12:45] <agwibowo> bye
[12:46] <agwibowo> plasmo: do you have the rar package?
[12:46] <plasmo> byebye
[12:46] <plasmo> yes i think so
[12:46] <Rus> I go to drink vodka... :p
[12:47] <agwibowo> umm
[12:47] <agwibowo> that one i already have
[12:48] <agwibowo> i was saying... the reverse... making rar file
[12:48] <agwibowo> do you have the link?
[12:48] <plasmo> nope
[12:48] <plasmo> wat link did i give you before o_O
[12:48] <agwibowo> unrar
[12:49] <agwibowo> wondering if you have the rar as well..
[12:50] <plasmo> mmm theres rar but thats non-free
[12:50] <agwibowo> ic..
[12:50] <plasmo> 40days trial o_o
[12:50] <agwibowo> ah
[12:50] <agwibowo> hate that
[12:50] <agwibowo> is this unrar free?
[12:50] <plasmo> yes
[12:50] <agwibowo> ok
[12:50] <agwibowo> that's good enough
[12:51] <plasmo> go get wine and download winrar lol
[12:51] <agwibowo> hooo
[12:53] <Gmail> lol
[12:58] <one_2_one> hy
[12:58] <one_2_one> what package i have to install to play mp3 _
[12:58] <one_2_one> ?
[12:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) one_2_one: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:00] <plasmo> gstreamer*-mad
[01:00] <one_2_one> bob2, thks ;)
[01:11] <cristian> anyone noticed that dbus-daemon-1 does not exit when gdm session terminates? there's some way to fix it? i've tons of orphaned process leaved behind by my users
[01:12] <grondo> I can't find any kernel-image package? is something wrong with my sources.list?
[01:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) grondo: it's called linux-image-something
[01:12] <cristian> grondo: you have to search linux-image in ubuntu
[01:12] <grondo> Treenaks, thanks. I'm a debian user
[01:13] <grondo> I thought package name was the same
[01:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) knof looksaus?
[01:14] <uman> que >?
[01:18] <looksaus> Treenaks, heheh :)
[01:19] <looksaus> uman, looksaus == garlic sauce == sauce  l'ail
[01:19] <looksaus> sorry, don't know enougj spanish to translate
[01:20] <uman> sounds nice
[01:44] <will> everyone has left!
[01:48] (whiprush/#ubuntu) forums down for anyone else?
[01:49] <berantl> yeah
[01:51] <kikko> hi all
[02:04] <joha> Hey, what do y'all use for learning vocabularies under Ubuntu?
[02:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) learning vocabularies?
[02:07] <joha> Yup
[02:07] <joha> vocabulary training
[02:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ah
[02:08] <joha> Sorry.
[02:08] <joha> s/s//g
[02:08] <IRCMonkey_> hello
[02:10] <IRCMonkey_> i have a question about installing Ubuntu
[02:10] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) IRCMonkey_: well, ask it ;)
[02:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) just ask it
[02:10] <IRCMonkey_> how Ubuntu recognize my wireless network card?
[02:11] <IRCMonkey_> im using D-Link Wireless Network card?
[02:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) does linux suppor it?
[02:11] <IRCMonkey_> no
[02:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) IRCMonkey_: what's the model number?
[02:11] <IRCMonkey_> D-Link DWL-G650+
[02:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) does it require ndiswrapper?
[02:11] <daniels> yes
[02:12] <IRCMonkey_> uhm... im not exaclty sure
[02:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) ouch
[02:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) IRCMonkey_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[02:12] <scoon> IRCMonkey_: the other thing to try is lspci -v to hopefully be able to get the chipset.  Maybe there are drivers for it.
[02:13] <joha> Oh we found one! "gretools"
[02:14] <scoon> IRCMonkey_: I use linksys wireless but the chipset is Ralink.  Ralink actually has drivers that compile for linux.  That is what I use, instead of ndiswrapper.
[02:14] <IRCMonkey_> thanks very much
[02:15] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) scoon: Free drivers?
[02:18] <scoon> Treenaks: yes
[02:19] <scoon> scoon: they give the source.  It is up to you to compile on your own.
[02:19] <scoon> Treenaks: if you need help -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/phpbb2/index.php
[02:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) scoon: hmm, will they be integrated into the real kernel?
[02:20] <scoon> Treenaks: at this point, no one really knows.  But at least the offer the source so that I can have native drivers.
[02:21] <scoon> Treenaks: they offer
[02:21] <scoon> sorry, tired fingers.
[02:21] <scoon> oh well
[02:21] <scoon> thanks for the fun and good times.  off to work.
[02:22] <costoa> does anyone know what's going on with ubuntuforums.org?
[02:27] <ohgood> how would one go about installing ubuntu, on another partition, from an already running linux- or is it possible ?
[02:28] <lulu> costoa: access problem?
[02:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) ohgood: you can use debootstrap
[02:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ohgood: prepare the partitions (sizes, etc.), then install ubuntu on the selected partitions
[02:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ohgood: that's the easiest
[02:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) but it's not really recommended unless you know what you're doing
[02:29] <ohgood> i'll google debootstrap- ty sir(s)
[02:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html is a start
[02:31] <costoa> yea, ubuntuforums isn't coming up.
[02:31] <childe> Hello. I've figured out why my GDM was broken.
[02:32] <childe> When I upgraded to Hoary, I did a "upgrade", not a "dist-upgrade". Very stupid.
[02:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) that shouldn't break anything
[02:33] <childe> bob2: But some packages did not upgraded.
[02:33] <childe> !
[02:34] <childe> \shell
[02:34] <childe> Oh...tell me how to access the shell in irssi?
[02:34] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: open a new terminal?
[02:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: just run irssi in 'screen' and use screen to access the shell ?
[02:35] <childe> ......
[02:35] <ohgood> childe: /exec yourcommand
[02:35] <childe> Thanks!
[02:35] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[02:35] <ohgood> childe: you _should_ be using screen too, it's quite lovely!
[02:36] <ohgood> I keep seeing references to 'sid' 'woody' etc, these are pet-names for stable or dev environments/kernels ?
[02:37] <childe> ohgood: I prefer xterm...
[02:37] <childe> ohgood: No. There are character names in Toy Story. I think.
[02:37] <mantiena-baltix> maybe there are any ubuntu developers ? I noticed few bugs in live CD and can fix these
[02:38] <ohgood> childe: screen doesn't care waht term you use.
[02:38] <mantiena-baltix> but at first I wanna talk with developers
[02:38] <childe> ohgood: But if I can switch between xterms why should I use screen?
[02:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: you can use both at the same time :) I do
[02:38] <childe> Treenaks: But why? heh heh
[02:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: so I can detach my IRC window and log out ;)
[02:40] <ohgood> childe: preferences, we all have em. (:
[02:41] <childe> Oh. Maybe I'll install it, too.
[02:41] <childe> But it seems that it has been installed by default :D
[02:43] <ohgood> bob2: debootstrap looks like a debian-only tool, is there a switch to point it to ubuntu specifically, and/or does ubuntu use deselect also on install ?
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ohgood: you have to use the debootstrap from the ubuntu installer, of course
[02:52] (bob2/#ubuntu) Treenaks: erm, shouldn't pointing it at a Ubuntu mirror Just Work?
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) bob2: dunno, I don't know debootstrap
[02:54] <dzhibas> hello support, maybe somebody have omnibook xe4100 with Ubuntu ?
[02:54] <dzhibas> i can't understand why my vi_rhine (module) , eth card is not working
[02:54] <dzhibas> via_rhine
[02:55] <Neill> dzhibas: is it on a via eden board?
[02:55] <Neill> and are you using 2.6.8 ?
[02:55] <dzhibas> <IP_ADDRESS>-3
[02:56] <dzhibas> and i have notebook hp omnibook xe4100 with VIA board
[02:56] <Neill> do you get very odd errors ?
[02:56] <Neill> in dmesg?
[02:56] <hitchhiker> My VT6102 Rhine 2 onboard eth works really well in ubuntu
[02:56] <Neill> someone broke the driver really badly (it would send out packets but they were mangled)
[02:56] (bob2/#ubuntu) which bug # is this?
[02:57] <Neill> it seems to be fixed in 2.6.9 for me.
[02:57] <Neill> (... on debian unstable)
[02:58] <dzhibas> hitchhiker: strange, i also have vt6102 [rhine-II] , but it doesn't work
[02:58] <dzhibas> what kernel hit* ?
[02:59] <dzhibas> Neill, yes in my dmesg where are strange errors
[02:59] <dzhibas> something like: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed out, status 1003, PHY status 782d, resetting
[02:59] <dzhibas> and so on...
[03:00] <Neill> yes.
[03:00] <Neill> exactly what I have
[03:00] <Neill> *had
[03:00] <Neill> 2.6.9 fixed it
[03:00] <Neill> it broke halfway through the 2.6.8 kernels in debian unstable, which was odd.
[03:01] <Neill> At the time no one else seemed to have the problem.
[03:01] <dzhibas> shit, (sorry for buzzword)
[03:01] <dzhibas> so i should throw away my ubuntu
[03:02] <dzhibas> can i somehow replace kernel and all his modules ? :)
[03:02] <ohgood> hmm, i may be trying debian&ubuntu now, given what i'm reading on both of their installations. thanks all-
[03:03] <dzhibas> without recompiling this
[03:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) dzhibas: you can build your own 2.6.9 if you want
[03:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) but it's not in ubuntu yet
[03:03] <dzhibas> thanks bob
[03:04] <dzhibas> ubuntuforums.org is down ?
[03:04] <iz> not here?
[03:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) some dude runs it, it's not a canonical thing
[03:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) talk to that dude
[03:08] <hitchhiker> Sorry was away for a bit
[03:08] <hitchhiker> Kernel -  <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[03:09] <hitchhiker> Have you looked fro any BIOS updates?
[03:10] <hitchhiker> The forums been up and down the last few days it seems
[03:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) has someone emailed whoever runs them?
[03:22] <Rob[a] > lo..
[03:23] <Rob[a] > i got a little problem installing ubuntu
[03:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ask away
[03:24] <Rob[a] > well, i just booted from the cd
[03:24] <Rob[a] > and it hangs on "retrieving nic-firmware ... "
[03:24] <Rob[a] > reboot doesn't help
[03:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) what kind of nic do you have
[03:24] <Rob[a] > well 2 actually
[03:24] <Rob[a] > 1 onboard
[03:24] <Rob[a] > 1 realtek
[03:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) model numbers please :)
[03:25] <Rob[a] > hmm
[03:25] <Rob[a] > oke
[03:25] <Rob[a] > one sec
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) but those shouldn't need firmware.. so 'retrieving nic-firmware' sounds like a package
[03:25] <Rob[a] > it is
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) is it during package install or during hardware detection?
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ok
[03:25] <Rob[a] > i guess package install
[03:25] <Rob[a] > coz it says something like
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) is your CD home-burnt?
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) or is it one of the official CDs
[03:25] <Rob[a] > Retrieving nic-firmware-<IP_ADDRESS>-
[03:26] <Rob[a] > home burnt
[03:26] <Rob[a] > but i try to burn it again
[03:26] <Rob[a] > same problem
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) then verify the md5sum your image
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +of
[03:26] <Rob[a] > did that
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) with the md5sum as mentioned on the site
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) and?
[03:26] <Rob[a] > correct of course
[03:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) the md5sum of the *cd* is the same?
[03:26] <Rob[a] > google had nothing at this..
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) tried burning on lower speeds/higher quality CDs?
[03:26] <Rob[a] > burnt on 8 speed
[03:27] <Rob[a] > bob2: u mean md5sum of the cd when it is burnt?
[03:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) yes
[03:27] <Rob[a] > Treenaks: it would be an hell of a coincidence if i burnt it twice, and it failed at *exactly* the same point
[03:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : could be a glitch in your burner..
[03:28] <Rob[a] > but how do i check the md5sum of the cd when it is burnt?
[03:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : md5sum /dev/hdc
[03:28] <Rob[a] > hm
[03:28] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : md5sum /dev/cdrom
[03:28] <Rob[a] > and on windows?
[03:28] <Rob[a] > md5sum F:
[03:28] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : install Ubuntu?
[03:29] <Rob[a] > isn't working..
[03:29] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : IIRC there's a md5um.exe for inwdows on the Live/OpenCD stuff
[03:30] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/md5.php
[03:30] <Rob[a] > I do have md5sum.exe
[03:31] <Rob[a] > but how do I check a burnt cd with that
[03:33] <ohgood> Rob[a] : it's kinda late if it's already burned- just re-check the .iso
[03:33] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , maybe try md5summer.org ?
[03:33] (sladen/#ubuntu) C:\> "c:\Documents and Settings\Rob\Desktop\md5sum.exe" d:
[03:34] <Rob[a] > it says "No such file"
[03:43] <hbos> is vsftpd compiled without ssl support?
[03:44] <hbos> it doesn't accept my ssl config parameters
[03:44] <hbos> :(
[03:56] <veran> ho ho ho
[03:57] <attifinch> hi
[04:00] <mikedo> hey is there someone who knows how to fix some sound problems: I can't write any sound trhough microphone, or when I use Skype to talk to people through net they cannot here me. Funny thing is that I can here myself . Somebody any ideas?
[04:01] <opi> mikedo: see volume setting in mixer
[04:01] <mikedo> i have soundblaster 16
[04:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mikedo: your microphone volume is not set correctly?
[04:01] <mikedo> opi, I did it, it's OK
[04:02] <mikedo> with volumes is everything OK
[04:03] <mikedo> I tryed to use audacity to check if I'm able write some sounds, and I couldn't
[04:05] <Rob[a] > bob2: I've managed to check the md5sum of the burnt CD and it's OK..
[04:05] <attifinch> any major advantages of ubuntu over mandrake
[04:05] <veran> much better packaging system
[04:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) attifinch: not being based on redhat
[04:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : ok
[04:06] <veran> sane (debian) defaults
[04:06] <Rob[a] > so what next :P
[04:06] <prox2far> easy ACPI for most Laptops
[04:06] <mikedo> Treenaks, as I said the funny thing is that I can hear me when I talk to mic!
[04:07] <hbos> any idea why vsftpd in ubuntu isn't compiled with ssl support?
[04:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maybe your sound card isn't full duplex?
[04:07] <attifinch> .. is ubuntu faster then mandrake?
[04:08] <mikedo> Treenaks, what is full duplex? why should it be?
[04:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) attifinch: that's a useless question.. it's the same programs..
[04:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mikedo: full duplex -> can send and receive at the same time
[04:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (or play and record)
[04:08] <mikedo> OK got it
[04:08] <hbos> i think most cards these days have full duplex
[04:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hbos: I thought he said it's an sb16
[04:09] <Rob[a] > hmm,
[04:09] <mikedo> Treenaks, I guess my soundcard is ok, but how could I check that for shure?
[04:09] <Rob[a] > think i'm gonna download fedora ;p
[04:10] <mikedo> Treenaks, Thanks for any ideas
[04:11] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , good luck,  dont forget to install apt on fedora ;)
[04:11] <Rob[a] > yeah well
[04:11] <Rob[a] > I would like to install ubuntu
[04:11] <Rob[a] > but it just isn't working :/
[04:11] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , why ?
[04:12] <Rob[a] > I just put the cd in..
[04:12] <Rob[a] > choose my language/location
[04:12] <Rob[a] > and then it hangs at 36% at "Retrieving nic-firewall <IP_ADDRESS>"
[04:12] <Rob[a] > firewall=firmware
[04:12] <Rob[a] > srry
[04:13] <cardador> Rob[a] : that seems a bad cd
[04:13] <Rob[a] > checked md5sum
[04:13] <Rob[a] > perfect match
[04:14] <Rob[a] > even burnt the iso twice
[04:14] <Rob[a] > same problem
[04:15] <veran> Rob[a] : can you switch to a virtual terminal then?
[04:15] <hbos> Treenaks oh sorry missed that, most sb16 are halfduplex i think (if there are any fullduplex ones:P)
[04:15] <Rob[a] > veran, I don't what u mean..
[04:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hbos: yes.. awe32 and 64 are fd, and some 'sb16vibra' are.. but most are hd
[04:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : press alt+f2/f3/f4 when it happens
[04:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : see if you get any error messages
[04:16] <veran> what Treenaks sais
[04:17] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , which md5sums you've checked ?
[04:17] <Rob[a] > of the iso and of the burnt cd
[04:18] <Rob[a] > Treenaks: alt+f4 overloads me with error message.. I'll try if i can get something usefull out of that
[04:20] <mikedo> Treenaks, so how do you think I could check what is my sb16 hd or fd?
[04:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mikedo: uhhh
[04:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) dunno
[04:21] <mikedo> what?
[04:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) I don't know
[04:21] <mikedo> anyway thanks for ideas
[04:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) check the chip number (CTxxxx), and google for it
[04:22] <mikedo> I'll do that, thanks
[04:23] <Rob[a] > Treenaks: the error messages are going to fast to read.. anything i can do with alt+f2?
[04:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : use scroll lock..
[04:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) that's what it's for
[04:25] <Rob[a] > hmm, thnx :D
[04:27] <Rob[a] > date (none) user.info main-menu[545] : (process:3760): md5sum:
[04:27] <Rob[a] > date (none) user.info main-menu[545] : (process:3760): /var/cache/anna/nic-firmware-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di_0.64ubuntu13_i386.udeb
[04:27] <Rob[a] > date (none) user.info main-menu[545] : (process:3760): Input/output error
[04:27] <Rob[a] > that's what it says
[04:28] <alejandro__> where I can get ubuntu universal sources?
[04:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) alejandro__: the same place you get the binaries
[04:29] <alejandro__> bob2, but what is the line in the sources.list?
[04:30] <alejandro__> (I would like to install KDE in Ubuntu)
[04:30] <Riddell> alejandro__: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe
[04:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) you want to install the kde binary packages?
[04:31] <Riddell> "
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) Riddell: no
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) alejandro__: it's already in your asources.list, commented out
[04:31] <Riddell> no?
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) Riddell: no, that's for hoary
[04:31] <alejandro__> bob2, ah ok, thanks.
[04:32] <Riddell> well warty has old KDE 3.2
[04:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[04:33] <Riddell> but with hoary you can use "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main" and get the goodness of KDE 3.3
[04:36] <Rob[a] > so it says md5sum while my md5sum is correct
[04:38] <cardador> Rob[a] : input/output error seems bad iso :\ try downloading it again
[04:38] <Rob[a] > while the md5sums is correct? :S
[04:39] <Rob[a] > my it's the cdrom drive
[04:39] <cardador> hmm?
[04:39] <Rob[a] > my cdrom drive isn't reading the cd very good or something
[04:40] <Rob[a] > i meant
[04:40] <Rob[a] > maybe it's the cdrom drive
[04:40] <veran> might not like your media
[04:40] <Rob[a] > :/
[04:40] <veran> I have seen some drives flake out on cd's
[04:40] <veran> even stamped cd's
[04:40] <veran> got another drive handy?
[04:40] <Rob[a] > I believe I have a spare one
[04:40] <Rob[a] > :]
[04:44] <alejandro__> hmm, I miss more updated kde packages in universia.
[04:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) warty froze in june
[04:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want more recent kde, use sid or hoary
[04:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) or suse or whatever
[04:46] <Riddell> or make an Ubunutu KGX
[04:50] <veran> I just compiled brightside to add edge flipping to metacity which fixed my one outstanding problem with gnome
[04:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) Riggwelter: can you turn that off please?
[04:53] <dbarnett> bob2: probably not if he's away
[04:53] (bob2/#ubuntu) dbarnett: well, yeah, but hopefully he/she will be back at some point
[04:54] <dbarnett> <-- just being a smartass
[04:54] (bob2/#ubuntu) well, that too
[04:55] <micsch> hi, where can i download the kernel-source for <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[04:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> or so
[04:56] <micsch> not in repository
[04:56] <[A] ndy80> hi :)
[04:56] (bob2/#ubuntu) linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> - Linux kernel source for version <IP_ADDRESS> with Debian patches
[04:56] <[A] ndy80> where can I find KDE 3.3.1 packages for Ubuntu?
[04:57] <micsch> bob2, thx, strange apt-cache search didn't show me linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: apt-cache search linux-source
[04:58] <Riddell> [A] ndy80: "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"  required hoary
[04:58] <Riddell> requires
[04:58] <micsch> bob2, i tried kernel-source
[04:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: that's the name in Debian, it's linux-source in ubuntu
[04:59] <jordi> bob2: why was it renamed in ubuntu, out of curiosity?
[04:59] <micsch> bob2, ah usualy i use debian, but thats very confusing
[05:00] <jordi> (not arguing it's not a better name -it is-, just why do it with all the complications it might have)
[05:00] <[A] ndy80> Riddell: what is hoary?
[05:00] <jordi> [A] ndy80: name of the next version of Ubuntu
[05:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: yeah
[05:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) jordi: I can't remember...
[05:01] <jordi> bob2: ah, silly bob!
[05:01] <[A] ndy80> jordi: ok, thanks. So I cannot use that repository If I only have Ubuntu 4.1 ?
[05:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) [A] ndy80: correct
[05:02] <jordi> [A] ndy80: if you use it, you upgrade to the (non-stable) development version of Ubuntu.
[05:02] (bob2/#ubuntu) jordi: it was daniels's fault!
[05:02] <jordi> [A] ndy80: probably a too-bumpy ride if you're new to GNU/Linux.
[05:02] <jordi> bob2: that makes sense. Sorry mate!
[05:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) hahaha
[05:03] <[A] ndy80> jordi: ehm, no. I use Linux since 1996
[05:03] <Riddell> [A] ndy80: the development version of ubuntu  change instances of "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list
[05:03] <[A] ndy80> I started with Slack 3.3
[05:03] <PorscheBoy> did anyone get Unreal Tournament 2004 to run on Ubuntu?
[05:04] <jordi> [A] ndy80: oh, lol. Sorry, it sounded like newbie-ish ;)
[05:04] <[A] ndy80> I'm new to Ubuntu :)
[05:04] <jordi> [A] ndy80: I've had it on me too, I started on 1997 :)
[05:04] <[A] ndy80> I use fedora core 3 on this pc, and now I've suse on my notebook but I'm not satisfied
[05:05] <Rob[a] > still not working over here :\
[05:05] <Rob[a] > are there some net install bootdisks available?
[05:09] <Coy> Falling love with Ubuntu...I've always used Fedora...not anymore...Ubuntu rocks!
[05:10] <unikum> Hello
[05:10] <mtl> hello
[05:10] <unikum> how do i install *.sh?
[05:11] <mtl> ?
[05:11] <Coy> How can I know will 3d work with my radeon card?I've played tuxkart and it works...so?
[05:11] <xiximkopp_> unikum: chmod +x file.sh
[05:11] <xiximkopp_> but you can also use: sh file.sh
[05:12] <Coy> sh .package.sh
[05:12] <cardador> PorscheBoy: i have it running
[05:12] <unikum> oki, thx
[05:12] <Coy> damn sh package.sh i ment
[05:12] <PorscheBoy> cardador, no errors?
[05:12] <xiximkopp_> no prob
[05:13] <PorscheBoy> cardador, did u install any additional files?
[05:13] <unikum> is there any .conf for mousemovement?
[05:14] <Coy> good usenet news reader for ubuntu? :)
[05:14] <Coy> pan?
[05:14] <mtl> slrn
[05:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) unikum: in X? look in the gnome mouse config options
[05:14] <Coy> ok
[05:14] <unikum> i dont want small thred-hold, i want close to zero as possible
[05:15] <Coy> slrn is coming..=)
[05:16] <micsch> someone installed cisco vpn client?
[05:16] <unikum> anybody playing chess at ICC or FICS?
[05:16] <cardador> PorscheBoy: just installed it from the dvd
[05:16] <micsch> unikum, sometimes
[05:16] <cardador> PorscheBoy: what are the errors?
[05:16] <PorscheBoy> oh
[05:17] <madsen> Oy humans! :)
[05:17] <PorscheBoy> well, right now i'm on WinServer2003 so i can't tell you
[05:17] <Coy> should I be worried about PnP Bios error on boot? I've read forum and I found it there...no worries?
[05:17] <madsen> I've got a problem with my locale, which is seriously screwed up...
[05:17] <PorscheBoy> madsen, u must be using hoary, right?
[05:17] <Coy> I have updated bios in september so it's new
[05:17] <madsen> PorscheBoy: yup
[05:18] <cardador> madsen: you are lucky... my nautilus is screwed up :)
[05:18] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Actually, I just finished upgrading to it... Or... I just failed upgrading some pkgs.
[05:18] <madsen> cardador: Well, I can't install/remove anything...
[05:18] <cardador> madsen: why?
[05:18] <PorscheBoy> madsen, just type "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and change it
[05:18] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I did, but I keep getting errors.
[05:19] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I chose en_US.utf8 and da_DK.utf8
[05:19] <PorscheBoy> like "gdm-Widget...."?
[05:19] <madsen> PorscheBoy: It generated fine, but still gives gazillions of errors.
[05:19] <PorscheBoy> madsen, i think u have to choose fr as ur locale
[05:20] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Say what?
[05:20] <PorscheBoy> madsen, just type "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and choose fr and ur language
[05:20] <madsen> French? Why?
[05:21] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I want my Linux in English, and my gf wants it in danish...
[05:21] <PorscheBoy> madsen, lol...cause this hoary was based fr language
[05:23] <madsen> Why the phUk did they base it on french???
[05:24] <PorscheBoy> madsen, cause it was made in france...not US
[05:25] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Yeah, but french isn't exactly the lingua franca of the Linux world.
[05:25] <Coy> ubuntu has pretty ban finnish support so I use it in english...
[05:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) Ubuntu is not "based fr language"
[05:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) the default is english, but you can use a bunch of different ones
[05:25] <PorscheBoy> madsen, but have u tried Fr yet?
[05:25] <Coy> when next Ubuntu will be released?
[05:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: april 2005
[05:26] <Coy> Ubuntu has mixed up swedish and finnish...I hope it will be fixed in the future ;)
[05:26] <Coy> bob2:thanks
[05:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: please file a bug if no one else has
[05:28] <Coy> bob2: yeah I should but it's not so important... =)Many distributions has problems with finnish translations..
[05:29] <Coy> bob2: it enough that keyboard works in finnish =)
[05:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: no, please do
[05:29] <[mirak-] > afternoon, room :)
[05:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: we want hoary to support languages even better
[05:29] <Coy> bob2:ok I will I just check out that it haven't been already made
[05:29] <madsen> actually, where can I find info on setting the LC_* vars correctly?
[05:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: thanks a lot!
[05:31] <Coy> bob2: could you something about that PnP bios error?It's harmless I quess but it's annoying and pretty common... :)
[05:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) "PnP BIOS"?
[05:31] (bob2/#ubuntu)  the PCI hotplugging thing?
[05:31] <Coy> bob2:yeah..
[05:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: it's fine to ignore it
[05:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: if it bothers you, blacklist the modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:32] <Coy> I get error on boot...PnP BIOS caused fatal error...
[05:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) I haven't seen that one
[05:33] <Coy> bob2:it boot fine,there's in forum same topic about it.. =)not by me but someone
[05:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) if it's a bug, it needs to be reported
[05:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) the ubuntu devs (aside from daniel) don't read the forums looking for reports
[05:34] <Coy> bob2:what I should write in /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[05:34] <Coy> bob2:no I think it's not a bug...I have oem bios by HP so it's not standart..
[05:35] (bob2/#ubuntu) erm, dunno about that
[05:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) ask on the list maybe
[05:39] <cardador> nautilus does not auto update the files. the same happens when i copy smt to the deslktop, i have to refresh it. Any clues?
[05:40] <Coy> bob2:sorry I bother but what I should comment out in the blacklist?there is no PnP... :)*newbie*
[05:40] <cardador> maybe it helps if i say that it happened after the fam -> gamin transition
[05:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: ignore my blacklist comment, I misunderstood you
[05:42] <Coy> bob2:ok..How about if I edit grub files and add "nobiospnp"?Just that i get rid of that error prompt... :)
[05:43] (bob2/#ubuntu) no idea
[05:43] <Coy> ok :)
[05:46] <madsen> Hmm, when I try to compile the locale definition file by hand I get:
[05:46] <madsen> /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/UTF-8.gz:1: syntax error in prolog: invalid definition
[05:46] <madsen> /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/UTF-8.gz:2: syntax error in prolog: invalid definition
[05:46] <madsen> memory clobbered past end of allocated block
[05:51] <Toadstool> hi
[05:52] <NewComer> anyone aware of a galaxy gtk2 engine package? ubunutu package that is
[05:52] <Coy> is 686 kernel good for amd athlon?
[05:53] <Toadstool> i need help about sound with my laptop and ubuntu please
[05:54] <gtanguy> hi
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: no
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) use the k7 one
[05:55] <Coy> bob2:yeah I noticed.. =) thanks anyway..
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) 686 might not even boot
[05:57] <Coy> bob2:k7 is coming.. =) I remember that fedora uses i686 by default..
[05:59] <madsen> Hmm, has anyone elaborated on the locale issue in Hoary?
[06:01] <Coy> have to go but thanks bob2 :) I will make that bug report about finnish and swedish mix up ;)
[06:05] <hitchhiker> Hi, I'm trying to enable DMA on my DVD and HD but the setting is not sticking
[06:05] <hitchhiker> When I play DVD it's a bit jerky
[06:05] <hitchhiker> DMA works under WinXP
[06:05] <hitchhiker> Any ideas?
[06:11] <madsen> hitchhiker: are you using hdparm?
[06:12] (sri/#ubuntu) good mornin
[06:18] <unikum> whats most common dc client for dc?
[06:18] <unikum> whats most common client for dc?
[06:19] <Toadstool> bye
[06:19] <TravisBarker> hi guys
[06:20] <TravisBarker> im trying to make a GUI for yum but im having trouble figuring out how to build python source from glade projects
[06:20] <Grogoreo> hi
[06:21] <Grogoreo> can anyone tell me if Ubuntu comes with Gnome 2.8 please? I cant seem to find the package list on the site
[06:21] <deFrysk> id does
[06:21] <deFrysk> it
[06:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Grogoreo: it does indeed
[06:21] <TravisBarker> my glade UI doesnt list python as a build option
[06:21] <Grogoreo> thanks bob2
[06:21] <TravisBarker> it has C C++ and ada95
[06:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: just load the xml file from pyglade
[06:22] <madsen> TravisBarker: That's because Glade doesn't support Python, but Python supports glade.
[06:22] <deFrysk> gui for yum ? like yumi ?
[06:22] <TravisBarker> like yumi, yes
[06:22] <TravisBarker> but yumi is broken for the new yum so...
[06:22] <madsen> TravisBarker: Just select 'C' and then remove all build-options and files. You only need <project>.glade
[06:22] (bob2/#ubuntu) what does a yum gui have to do with #ubuntu?
[06:23] <TravisBarker> bob2: i was told to bring it up here because you guys are some kind of python gurus :)
[06:23] <TravisBarker> bob2: sorry if im off topic for you
[06:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: try #python
[06:23] <madsen> TravisBarker: I don't know python, but I've done Ruby and C# with glade... Also a bit of PHP.
[06:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: you want to be loading the .glade file at runtime, tho
[06:24] <TravisBarker> bob2: i tried #python, and after explaining the situation, they told me that I know more about glade already than any of them
[06:24] <madsen> TravisBarker: But I think you should start with a HelloWorld in python/glade before jumping into the whole yum gui thingy...
[06:24] <deFrysk> yum sucks anyway
[06:24] <TravisBarker> in other words most of #python is sleeping :)
[06:24] <deFrysk> whe cares
[06:24] <deFrysk> whe = who
[06:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, look at the pyglkade sample code
[06:25] <madsen> deFrysk: What a wonderfully constructive attitude...
[06:25] <deFrysk> yes
[06:25] <deFrysk> its true though
[06:25] <hitchhiker> madsen:Whats hdparm?
[06:25] <TravisBarker> madsen: i have the HelloWorld GUI i built loaded on my desktop right now :)
[06:25] <deFrysk> hd parameters
[06:25] <TravisBarker> im just trying to get it into python
[06:25] <madsen> hitchhiker: A cmd-line tool for tuning your hd.
[06:26] <hitchhiker> never used it
[06:26] <deFrysk> try sudo hdparm -tT /dev/dha
[06:26] <deFrysk> to check your speeds
[06:26] <madsen> TravisBarker: Then save the project, remove everything but <project>.glade and use that in your python source.
[06:26] <TravisBarker> madsen: thanks
[06:27] <hitchhiker> root@ubuntu:/etc # sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hdb1
[06:27] <hitchhiker> /dev/hdb1:
[06:27] <hitchhiker>  Timing cached reads:   1060 MB in  2.00 seconds = 528.76 MB/sec
[06:27] <hitchhiker>  Timing buffered disk reads:  126 MB in  3.03 seconds =  41.52 MB/sec
[06:27] <deFrysk> thats flooding :s
[06:27] <madsen> TravisBarker: You might be able to use some of the info on http://gnome2-ruby.sourceforge.jp to learn about interacting with glade files from a scripting language.
[06:27] <deFrysk> almost
[06:27] <hitchhiker> sry
[06:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) hdparm is a terrible benchmarking tool
[06:28] <madsen> bob2: But it's alright for setting hd options.
[06:28] <hitchhiker> So how do I turn on DMA for my DVD drive?
[06:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) right
[06:28] <deFrysk> hitchhiker, probably is already on
[06:29] <hitchhiker> is there a way of checking as my DVD playback is choppy
[06:29] <madsen> hitchhiker: Something like `hdparm --help` might help you. :)
[06:29] <TravisBarker> madsen: apparently i dont have pyglade
[06:29] <TravisBarker> i have all of the python GTK packages installed
[06:29] <TravisBarker> but i dont see pyglade anywhere
[06:30] <madsen> TravisBarker: What os?
[06:30] <TravisBarker> fedora core 3 :(
[06:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: come on dude
[06:30] <deFrysk> ooh
[06:30] <madsen> wtf!?! "When the screen comes up you will want to disable all ISO-8859-1 locales in the list. You will want to enable the appropriate UTF-8 locales for the languages you use, and choose a UTF-8 locale as the default system locale. That will be all you need to do right now." <- I did that, but no cookie! *grr*
[06:30] <deFrysk> infidel
[06:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) #fedora for basic package installation help
[06:30] <madsen> TravisBarker: Then install pyglade or libpyglade or whatever it's called...
[06:31] <TravisBarker> i go to #fedora and i end up _answering_ questions.. rarely do i get to ask many
[06:31] <TravisBarker> madsen: thats just it, i have libpyglade installed
[06:31] <madsen> TravisBarker: Then use it. (?)
[06:31] <TravisBarker> thats why im confused
[06:32] <madsen> TravisBarker: how do you tell python to use a lib?
[06:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) you don't
[06:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) you just import it
[06:32] <TravisBarker> rignot
[06:32] <TravisBarker> right
[06:32] <madsen> bob2: Ok, I've never done any python, so I have no clue...
[06:32] <madsen> in Ruby it'd be something like "require 'glade'"
[06:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) 'import glade' in python
[06:33] <TravisBarker> madsen: import pyglade
[06:33] <madsen> TravisBarker: And you are doing that?
[06:33] <TravisBarker> or somehting
[06:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) this really is a #python or python-glade-user list sorta question
[06:33] <TravisBarker> ImportError: No module named glade
[06:33] <madsen> TravisBarker: And you have the glade pkgs installed?
[06:33] <TravisBarker> bob2: then dont worry about it
[06:34] <TravisBarker> bob2: if you are not interested ignore the thread :P
[06:34] <TravisBarker> madsen: yep
[06:34] <madsen> bob2: It's not like there's a whole lot of other stuff going on right here right now.
[06:34] <TravisBarker> madsen: thanks for the help but it look like im pissing people off here so i will go away now
[06:34] <madsen> TravisBarker: Also glade-dev (or whatever fc names it)?
[06:34] <TravisBarker> anyway, good luck with your project
[06:34] <madsen> TravisBarker: My project?
[06:34] <madsen> TravisBarker: Good luck to you. :)
[06:34] <TravisBarker> this channel
[06:35] <TravisBarker> what ever it si
[06:35] <madsen> TravisBarker: Hehe, well, thanks. :)
[06:35] <TravisBarker> with assholes running lose like they seem to be, you are going to need it :)
[06:36] <madsen> Hmm, that was kind of a rude way to leave... :/
[06:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) wow, what a dick
[06:37] <madsen> Yeah, I just told him in a prov-msg...
[06:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) "omg #ubuntu won't help me with python programming questions for a tool for fedora"
[06:38] <madsen> bob2: hehe
[06:38] <madsen> bob2: At least it was somewhat linux related... :/
[06:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, true
[06:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) I don't mind OT stuff when no one is around, but when people do start asking useful questions and the OT stuff doesn't stop...
[06:39] <madsen> bob2: agreed. :)
[06:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) I somehow doubt #fedora would help me with my ruby-based ubuntu package manager
[06:41] <madsen> hehe
[06:41] <Amaranth> bob2: You wrote a package manager?
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) heh, no
[06:41] <Amaranth> apt is Python, isn't it?
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) no, C++
[06:41] <madsen> Actually yum should be in #yellowdog if there is a such...
[06:41] <will> OOOHH I got my Ubuntu CD's Today :))
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) and dpkg is in C
[06:41] <madsen> bob2: isn't it perl?
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) madsen: no
[06:42] <Amaranth> was it ever written in python?
[06:42] <madsen> bob2: Well, when using apt-<whatever> I get perl errors...
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[06:42] <Amaranth> dang
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) madsen: well, not all <whatever> stuff is actually apt
[06:42] <Amaranth> ok, i'm down to emerge and rpm
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) apt-get and apt-cache are C++, tho
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) debconf is perl, that might be what;s giving errors
[06:43] <Amaranth> i tell perl people to shove it when they tell me to ditch python by pointing to the package managers ;)
[06:44] <madsen> bob2: Interesting... 'Cause I'm getting locale errors all over all the time... And they're from perl... (When I do apt-<whatever> - I guess they call other tools.)
[06:45] <bskahan> anyone have the gxine browser working?
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) don't forget to edit /etc/environment after setting up your locale -- it might be trying the wrong one
[06:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) the locale system might be perl
[06:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) debconf certainly is
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) also, log out and in, so /etc/environment is parsed
[06:47] <madsen> Treenaks: Hmm... I did not know that... (*hoping*)
[06:49] <hitchhiker> Cheers guys, hdparm sorted it
[06:49] <rapha> Yo!
[06:49] <rapha> Is there any way to have sounds in GNOME working when using ALSA instead of OSS?
[06:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) rapha: uh.. it's using esd
[06:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) which, afaik, uses alsa by default
[06:50] <madsen> Treenaks: Woohoo! You're my new favourite person! It worked! :)
[06:50] <madsen> rapha: oss-emulation on alsa... (?)
[06:50] <rapha> madsen: Okay.
[06:50] <rapha> And why can't I do two sound-things at the same time using ALSA?
[06:51] <madsen> rapha: you want alsa-oss
[06:51] <rapha> Okay
[06:51] <ironwolf> how did ubuntu install change my hardware clock, and how without going into the bios, do I change it back?
[06:51] <madsen> rapha: To make more apps output through alsa you probably want the jackd
[06:51] <rapha> madsen:  What does jackd do?
[06:52] <rapha> I am also using linphone now over ALSA, but mplayer won't even start with -ao alsa.
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) madsen: no, jackd is not compatible with oss
[06:52] <rapha> Isn't alsa supposed to allow an unlimited number of sounds to be played at the same time?
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) you probably want to use DMIX
[06:52] <rapha> Oh, what is DMIX?
[06:52] <madsen> Treenaks: No, but it is with alsa and kernel 2.6 uses alsa as the default.
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) madsen: uh.. with esd I ment
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +a
[06:53] <madsen> Treenaks: You can emulate oss with alsa.
[06:53] <madsen> Treenaks: Oh. :)
[06:54] <will> does anyone here use ephiphany?
[06:54] <madsen> rapha: http://jackit.sourceforge.net
[06:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) rapha: use gnomemeeting and totem
[06:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) rapha: they output through ESD by default
[06:54] <rapha> madsen:  apt-get install jackd
[06:54] <rapha> :-)
[06:55] <rapha> Treenaks:  gnomemeeting doesn't work through my partners' firewall
[06:56] (alexis|dodo/#ubuntu) coucou
[06:56] <madsen> rapha: But then you need your apps to have jack-output support.
[06:56] <rapha> I see
[06:56] <rapha> Hmm
[06:56] <rapha> Okay, so I could as well hack ESD output support into Linphone.
[06:56] <madsen> rapha: mplayer does have it, if it's compiled with it, but I'm not sure if gnome supports it (or if it ever will).
[06:57] <rapha> madsen: mplayer also has esd output support. Problem is that there seems to be no SIP application that has it.
[06:57] <madsen> rapha: Might be... Or try asking on a more sound-focused channel perhaps. (I just don't know any off the top of my head.)
[06:57] <rapha> So what will Ubuntu do in the future? Focus on moving all its apps to ESD or moving them to ALSA?
[06:57] <madsen> alsa I hope
[06:58] <rapha> Any official position on that?
[06:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) alsa and esd are sorta orthogonal
[06:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) gnome is apparently moving to polypaudio
[06:58] <madsen> rapha: Well, the kernel (2.6) runs alsa as default, so it would seem kinda logical to move towards that.
[06:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) ubuntu currently uses esd on top of alsa, by default
[06:59] <rapha> Okay
[06:59] <rapha> bob2: So applications which natively use ALSA should be able to parallel output sound to ESD-using apps, right?
[06:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[06:59] <rapha> Hmm
[07:00] <rapha> Too bad
[07:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) not unless a) you have a good sound card (=emu10k1) or b) sewtup dmix
[07:00] <rapha> a isn't given, so I'll try b.
[07:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) dmix is pretty easy to do
[07:00] <rapha> Cool
[07:00] <rapha> So will Ubuntu do it by default with Hoary?
[07:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) dmix? everything should be using polyp by then
[07:01] <rapha> Oh
[07:01] <rapha> Okay
[07:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:01] <adnans> polyp? jack!!
[07:01] <rapha> I'm looking at that, yes.
[07:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) bob2: setting up dmix isn't hard, is it?
[07:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) just one config file, right?
[07:02] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah
[07:06] <adnans> actually, audio apps should be rewritten for jack
[07:06] <adnans> which runs on top of alsa
[07:07] <mirak> pan sucks
[07:07] <adnans> unfortunately most linux/unix audio apps are written with the oss/esd style api in mind (read/write/block)
[07:07] <mirak> it crashes when posting
[07:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) adnans: does jack run on top of, say, the freebsd apis as well?
[07:08] <adnans> Treenaks: if someone ports it, sure..
[07:09] <adnans> Treeknaks, there is an oss driver, so it should run (assuming freebsd emulates oss)
[07:29] <skeff> I downloaded and installed, using alien, Sun's Java JRE 1.5.0 package, and put a symlink to the plugin provided into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins, but then when firefox got to a site with a java applet, it violently started crashing..
[07:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) was sun's jre compiled with gcc3.2 or later?
[07:29] <skeff> bob2, I wouldn't know
[07:29] <skeff> lemme check, if I can
[07:30] <Eon|> how do i enable SBA and fast writes in ubuntu? im using nvidia-binary driver. motherboard & card support them.
[07:31] <dr_willis> perhaops its a nvidia driver option in  te X config file.
[07:32] <skeff> bob2, I have no idea how to find out.  What if it is?
[07:37] <skeff> why is my xchat in swedish, I don't get it!  My national language is set to norwegian, and I've also removed all nonsense from /etc/environment:Language which contained all scandianavian languages..for some weird reason
[07:46] <krischan> Hello everyone.
[07:46] <scoon> hey there,
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) wow
[07:46] <skeff> bob2, there is a plugin directory called "ns7" and then there is an "ns7-gcc29" ;)
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the internet is solid broken
[07:46] <skeff> it sure is
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) always at the last hop
[07:46] <scoon> you can bet on that.
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) it's like a massive DoS campaign or something
[07:47] <scoon> more crap out there than there really needs.
[07:47] <krischan> Could anybody please tell me if it is possible to limit the download bandwidth when using apt-get?
[07:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: "trickle"
[07:47] <krischan> bob2: Is that a program?
[07:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[07:48] <krischan> never heard of it, what does it do?
[07:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) 04:47:13       krischan |  Could anybody please tell me if it is possible to limit the download bandwidth when using apt-get?
[07:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) krischan: apt-cache show trickle
[07:50] <krischan> I see. Can I limit the bandwidth of any program with this tool?
[07:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) that's what the description says
[07:55] <krischan> So, I could issue the command 'trickle -d 30 apt-get' and then execute 'apt-get upgrade' in order to achieve the desired effect.
[07:55] <skeff> Which java runtime package would work in Ubuntu?
[07:56] <skeff> oh well let me rephrase that: Which JRE plugin provider would work in Firefox?
[07:56] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: I have a working 1.5
[07:57] <skeff> Treenaks, from Sun?
[07:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[07:58] <Kjartan> hi all
[07:58] <Kjartan> I'm kinda poking ubuntu to know whats under the hood
[07:58] <Kjartan> so the first question would be, in gentoo there is an emerge command. Is there something alike in ubuntu?
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) haha
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) apt-get
[07:59] <madsen> Kjartan: `man apt`
[07:59] <oddabe19> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) what emerge dreams of being
[07:59] <skeff> Kjartan, Ubuntu is debian based
[07:59] <oddabe19> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:59] <madsen> bob2: Actually, I think emerge is more like a "ports" clone thingy.
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) sure
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) but all package managers dream of being apt ;-)
[08:00] <skeff> Kjartan, you like gentoo?
[08:00] <Kjartan> well, gentoo is like fast-fast-fast. does ubuntu build stuff from source for optimal performance?
[08:00] <madsen> bob2: Hehe, no all package-managers wants to be RPA-base. :)
[08:00] <Kjartan> I am thinking about either ubuntu or gentoo
[08:00] <madsen> Kjartan: I think you should read up on Debian basics... http://debian.org
[08:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) Kjartan: you have benchmarks showing that compiling from source actually gives an improvement in speed?
[08:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want to build things from source with -O99 -fomit-instructions, use gentoo
[08:01] <regeya> meh
[08:01] <madsen> Kjartan: I've run gentoo and it's alright, but I dig debian based distros more, 'cause I hate to spend 4 hours installing mozilla.
[08:01] <Kjartan> :P
[08:01] <Kjartan> I dunno anything about debian
[08:02] <Kjartan> from what I've heard.. it's bad
[08:02] <regeya> gentoo isn't like fast-fast-fast, really.  maybe if you could get the intel compiler working, and had intel hardware, it'd kick everyone's asses.
[08:02] <Kjartan> so you went from gentoo to ubuntu?
[08:02] <regeya> risking IHBT Syndrome, what have you heard about that was bad, specifically?
[08:03] <Kjartan> messy for the most part
[08:03] <malte`> i use ubuntu on my celeron 800 laptop, i couldn't afford a 4 hours glibc compile
[08:03] <regeya> heh
[08:03] <puzzledm> hi sorry to interrupt but quick question to you all.  Does any one know a way of returning my Ubuntu install back to Warty from Hoary?
[08:03] <malte`> but i still use gentoo on the athlon xp :P
[08:03] <Kjartan> malte`, it's fast?
[08:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) puzzledm: you can't
[08:04] <puzzledm> doh!
[08:04] <malte`> i did a stage1 + nptl
[08:04] <malte`> it IS fast :)
[08:04] <regeya> yeah; I was mainly looking for a decent desktop OS.  Really, under Gentoo, I was using UDEV, a relatively new kernel, the latest GNOME, the GNOME System Tools, etc.
[08:04] <regeya> I installed a default Ubuntu desktop and was happier with the results.  I felt, well, dumb. :-}
[08:05] <Kjartan> :P
[08:05] <Kjartan> right now I use Fedora Core 2. I have this problem... I have installed like 100000 packages
[08:05] <Kjartan> :P
[08:05] <regeya> I've installed some things from source, and done the dreaded sources mixing, but I've done very little work, compared to my days of searching through the Gentoo Forums for things that should have gone to bugs.gentoo.org, searching through bugs.gentoo.org for fixes that hadn't been committed yet, etc.
[08:05] <Kjartan> no matter what I install I end up with 1000 packages I _never_ use
[08:06] <regeya> and I was tired of waiting for someone to get serious about Portage-NG.
[08:06] <skeff> I like gentoo better, for such things as, right now..I don't even know if I'm running a samba server, ftp server or something.. and I have no idea why my Xchat is in swedish..
[08:06] <Kjartan> Portage-NG?
[08:06] <regeya> Portage-Next Generation.
[08:06] <Kjartan> k
[08:06] <Kjartan> skeff, swedish xchat you say :P
[08:07] <madsen> skeff: Ehrm, you _could_ try to search the package list and perhaps do a `ps aux`
[08:07] <regeya> it could be possible to beat freebsd's ports-portupgrade combination in just python, but people wanted to argue about c++ rewrites, using a relational database to store the tree, all kinds of unnecessary garbaage.
[08:08] <skeff> madsen, bah, also I would have a hard time getting the ftp server I want.. and I can just forget compiling something that isn't precompiled for this system..
[08:08] <madsen> skeff: What ftpd do you want?
[08:08] <skeff> madsen, proftpd
[08:08] <madsen> skeff: on Ubuntu?
[08:09] <skeff> Kjartan, yup I'm norwegian, I've set all variables to norwegian or if the program doesn't have norwegian locale, it should revert to english..but no..it goes to sweden.
[08:09] <skeff> madsen, yes?
[08:09] <madsen> skeff: have you considered `apt-get install proftpd`
[08:09] <Kjartan> NORSK KRAFT!!!
[08:09] <Kjartan> <-- norsk
[08:09] <Kjartan> :P
[08:09] <madsen> <- Dansk
[08:10] <skeff> Kjartan, no shit
[08:10] <Kjartan> skeff, yes shit
[08:10] <regeya> m.
[08:10] <madsen> skeff: It wouldn't hurt just to take a little look in the package-list before complaining about missing apps and stuff...
[08:10] <osiris_22> how do i install a .deb file
[08:11] <madsen> osiris_22: One you've downloaded?
[08:11] <osiris_22> yes sir
[08:11] <madsen> osiris_22: dpkg -i <pkg>
[08:11] <osiris_22> i did that
[08:11] <osiris_22> and it said errors blah
[08:11] <osiris_22> im trying to install yahoo messenger
[08:11] <madsen> osiris_22: Well, then the pkg is probably erronous... What does it complain about?
[08:12] <osiris_22> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install):
[08:12] <osiris_22>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:12] <osiris_22> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:12] <osiris_22>  ymessenger
[08:12] <skeff> madsen, I'm being prejudice I know.. actually it all boils down to me not being familiar with debian and where all the config goes and stuff. and godamnit, why doesn't java plugin work in firefox, why do I need to download a debian package when Sun provides both RPM and a self-extracting binary.
[08:12] <osiris_22> i think i know the problem
[08:12] <madsen> skeff: use 'alien' for rpms...
[08:12] <madsen> osiris_22: good! :)
[08:12] <skeff> madsen, I know..
[08:12] <madsen> skeff: Then what are you complaining about?
[08:13] <skeff> madsen, it's just the plugin that doesn't work..probably because these precompiled crap are not compatible
[08:13] <madsen> skeff: I'm running proftpd on my debian server.
[08:13] <Friczy> hi
[08:13] <madsen> skeff: Well, then write Sun and politely state that the crap doesn't work...
[08:13] <madsen> skeff: I've been using blackdown with great success.
[08:13] <Friczy> The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first disk. What can i do with it?
[08:14] <skeff> madsen, then I would have to get a JDK, no? and blackdown is NOT in the repository, for some reason
[08:14] <Pluk> you cant put the whole world in repository
[08:14] <madsen> skeff: That's probably because Blackdown isn't complete OS.
[08:14] <madsen> s/complete/completely/
[08:14] <skeff> madsen, say what?
[08:15] <madsen> skeff: afaik Blackdown isn't completely open source, so that might be a reason for it not being in the repo... There are .deb pkgs out there though...
[08:15] <skeff> madsen, OS is recognized as acronym for Operating System, sentence coherency does not compute
[08:15] <skeff> madsen, ok ;)
[08:15] <madsen> skeff: And coincidally OS is also an acronym for Open Source (OSS == Open Source Software).
[08:16] <skeff> madsen, OSS would fit me better.. anyhow; I want JRE, not JDK, at least: I want the option.
[08:16] <sondrobe> i've tried to install sharutils and it isn't available (on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and CD), where can i look for it?
[08:16] <unikum> help, i did a misstake. I change somehting in XF86Config-4. How can i get it back? Is there a backup copy somewhere?
[08:17] <malte`> what's this thing about "not completely OSS?"
[08:17] <madsen> skeff: http://www.carfield.com.hk/mirror/blackdown/debian/pool/non-free/j/j2se1.3-i386/
[08:17] <malte`> that's why i still prefer gentoo :|
[08:17] <sondrobe> unikum, try  XF86Config-4.old
[08:17] <madsen> unikum: Sure, the one you made before changing the file... ;)
[08:18] <madsen> malte`: It's not entirely "open", so Debian might hesitate to put it in the repo. Or they'll stick it in the non-free repo...
[08:18] <skeff> malte`, well.. principally, Ubuntu is all about open source software, which to some is concidered a good thing. To me, that just throws out good software from a linux distribution.
[08:18] <unikum> i used search files and found one -- puh!
[08:18] <skeff> madsen, I want 1.5
[08:18] <madsen> skeff: Ok, then find it...
[08:19] <sondrobe> unikum, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.old
[08:19] <malte`> skeff, to me too
[08:19] <skeff> madsen, hehe, thanks..
[08:19] <regeya> it's not as if the software you want isn't available, and won't run on your Linux distribution.
[08:19] <skeff> regeya, but you sure hell can't be a newbie and have java on your computer
[08:19] <sondrobe> unikum, or 'ls /etc/X11/XF86Config-4*'
[08:19] <madsen> skeff: Well, if you can read, then "yes, you can".
[08:20] <skeff> madsen, where would I read that?
[08:20] <Friczy> someone please help: The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first harddisk. What can i do with it? (I see them from fdisk)
[08:20] <madsen> skeff: My dad runs Debian (he's freaking 60 y.o. and calls me everytime he has to enter something in a terminal) and he installed Java by himself...
[08:20] <unikum> how can i get numlock be on after a reboot?
[08:20] <skeff> madsen, but he has to call you.
[08:21] <madsen> skeff: Tell me one thing, have you heard about google?
[08:21] <madsen> skeff: Not for installing Java...  Hell, not even on windows.
[08:22] <skeff> I would do 'emerge blackdown-jre' on gentoo.. but oh..nevermind..
[08:22] <skeff> madsen, I have installed Java, but the _plugin_ for firefox doesn't work.. or firefox doesn't work with the plugin
[08:22] <malte`> ehhehe
[08:23] <malte`> i noticed that the new firefox can install the java plugin by himself
[08:23] <madsen> skeff: Have you read any docs? Does the plugin appear in 'about:plugins' in Ff?
[08:23] <malte`> but didn't try yet
[08:23] <skeff> madsen, the browser crashes when stumbling upon a java applet
[08:23] <madsen> malte`: I think you have to run Ff as root for it to work.
[08:23] <skeff> madsen, if you run ff as root will it install java system-wide?
[08:23] <madsen> skeff: Well, then it's probably there... Have you /tried/ searching on google.
[08:24] <madsen> skeff: I don't know... I said "I think".
[08:24] <skeff> madsen, no, because I reckoned since firefox is compiled for this ubuntu distribution, it would be a common ubuntu problem..
[08:24] <kagou> hi
[08:25] <Friczy> someone please help: The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first harddisk. What can i do with it? (I see them from fdisk)
[08:25] <skeff> madsen, mind you, I'm using hoary, so I have firefox 1.0
[08:25] <madsen> skeff: me too, but I don't use java
[08:26] <madsen> skeff: But even if it _should_ be only an Ubuntu problem, then google can usually still help you. I mean, where have you been man?
[08:26] <Pluk> i doubt if its a ubuntu problem
[08:26] <Friczy> skeff: install the jre from sun by hand and symlink to the plugin. It works in debian well
[08:26] <Pluk> cuz java and FF work ok here
[08:27] <Pluk> on hoary
[08:27] <madsen> skeff: "2004 Google - Searching 8,058,044,651 web pages" <- Do you think there's no mention of Ubuntu there?
[08:27] <skeff> Friczy, any special place I should put the JRE?
[08:27] <Friczy> skeff: no special place. In my debian I put it in /usr/local/jre
[08:28] <Friczy> and make symlinks from the bin directory to /usr/local/bin
[08:28] <Pluk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198 <-- is an excellent howto for installing java on ff
[08:28] <madsen> lol!
[08:28] <Pluk> dont underestimate the power of a forum..
[08:28] <Pluk> :)
[08:29] <skeff> Pluk, first comment: "Well, It did not give me working java. But it broke firefox, always something "
[08:29] <Iskanje> Hey.. some help needed..
[08:29] <Friczy> me too but here is only a flame about java :D
[08:29] <madsen> skeff: Have you tried it?
[08:30] <Iskanje> Allright.. Got bit lost with networking
[08:30] <Iskanje> Anyone there has a minute to spare
[08:30] <skeff> madsen, I guess it's because I don't have the binaries in $PATH..
[08:31] <madsen> skeff: ok
[08:31] <Friczy> someone please help: The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first harddisk. What can i do with it? (I see them from fdisk)
[08:31] <madsen> Friczy: Sorry, I have no clue.
[08:31] <madsen> Iskanje: What's the problem?
[08:31] <Friczy> ok :(
[08:32] <Iskanje> madsen:Sooo... I can't get the network card up&running
[08:32] <madsen> Friczy: Actually, what fs is currently on hda?
[08:32] <Friczy> madsen: a lot :)
[08:32] <Iskanje> It shows up on the device manager, but that's all
[08:33] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm, are the modules for it loaded?
[08:33] <Friczy> madsen: I have a fully installed Debian with plenty of partitions
[08:33] <madsen> Friczy: Yeah, but that doesn't really say anything about the filesystem
[08:33] <Friczy> but I can make a 10 giga partition free for ubuntu
[08:33] <madsen> Friczy: But as it's Linux I can't see it should be a problem then.
[08:34] <Friczy> madsen: yes, I only need a solution to start the real installation somehow.
[08:34] <madsen> <- Lagging because of a download
[08:34] <Iskanje> Not sure.. lsmod shows a lot..
[08:34] <madsen> Friczy: Could the bootloader be hiding the partition?
[08:34] <Friczy> I can partition it manually but I can' tell the installer that this should be the root of the installation
[08:34] <madsen> Iskanje: lsmod | grep <module_name>
[08:35] <Friczy> madsen: I doesn't hide any partition.
[08:35] <madsen> Friczy: Hmm, that's really odd...
[08:35] <Friczy> madsen: yes, it is.
[08:35] <madsen> MikeGTN: Hehe, tell #lemmings hello from me. :)
[08:36] <MikeGTN> hi madsen
[08:36] <Friczy> madsen: I have 3 disks and only the first where installer doesn' see anything
[08:36] <madsen> MikeGTN: :)
[08:36] <Iskanje> How do I know the module name?
[08:36] <madsen> Iskanje: Good question... What card is it?
[08:37] <Iskanje> Device manager shows Standard Microsystems Corp...
[08:37] <madsen> Friczy: I'm lost, I have no clue what so ever... :(
[08:37] <Iskanje> 83c170 EPIC/100
[08:37] <Friczy> madsen: ok. I write a letter to the list, perhaps someone gives a solution
[08:37] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm... Hang on...
[08:37] <madsen> Friczy: I hope...
[08:38] <Iskanje> Probably epic100?
[08:38] <Iskanje> It's loaded
[08:38] <madsen> Iskanje: Oh, good!
[08:38] <Friczy> Iskanje: ifconfig eth0 tells anything?
[08:38] <madsen> Iskanje: --^
[08:39] <skeff> Friczy, should I symlink java libs also to get that silly plugin working? Why doesn't alien do this for me?
[08:39] (stvn/#ubuntu) hello, how does one enable the tv-out on a radeon card in warty?
[08:39] <Iskanje> ifconfig looks normal..
[08:39] <Friczy> skeff: why want to use alien?
[08:39] <madsen> Actually, I had/have a weird experience with Ubuntu... All other OS's detect my normal NIC as eth0 and my wifi as eth1, but Ubuntu did the reverse... (?)
[08:40] <skeff> Friczy, when I got the JRE.rpm from Sun's site
[08:40] <Friczy> bah.
[08:40] <Friczy> from tgz or .bin it is better I think
[08:40] <madsen> Iskanje: try `sudo ifup eth0`
[08:40] <skeff> Friczy, heh, that's the point, they'll do the same thing..
[08:40] <Friczy> Iskanje: do you see a normal ip address in ifconfig?
[08:40] <Iskanje> "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
[08:41] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm...
[08:41] <madsen> Iskanje: cat /etc/networking/interfaces
[08:41] <madsen> Iskanje: Actually that should be `cat /etc/network/interfaces`
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> acorn-fdisk - Partition editor for Acorn/RISC OS machines
[08:42] <Iskanje> There's only loopback.. how  do I add?
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> why do they put that in univers
[08:42] <Friczy> Iskanje: auto eth0
[08:43] <Friczy> Iskanje: do you have dhcp server?
[08:43] <madsen> Iskanje: Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking if you want to do it the gui way.
[08:43] <madsen> Friczy: Most people do these days... :)
[08:43] <Iskanje> auto eth0 doesn't work..?
[08:43] <madsen> Iskanje: Did you restart the network?
[08:44] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here used Linux Disk Editor?
[08:44] <Friczy> Iskanje: no, it is not enough, you have to write at least one mor line :)
[08:44] <Iskanje> It doesn't start..
[08:44] <madsen> Iskanje: Try adding: iface eth0 inet dhcp   as well
[08:44] <Friczy> Iskanje: in /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:44] <madsen> Friczy: Hehe, we make a good support team. :)
[08:45] <Friczy> madsen: yes but I can support only debian-style :)
[08:45] <madsen> Friczy: Same here. :)
[08:45] <Friczy> because the installation problem
[08:45] <Friczy> interesting, because I could install ubuntu to my notebook at my workplace
[08:45] <madsen> Friczy: Oh, that way... Well, good thing that Ubuntu is Deb based then...
[08:46] <Friczy> madsen: yes, but I am courious to see ubuntu from scratch on my desktop
[08:46] <Iskanje> Oke, now I got it up.. the next is PPPoE..?
[08:46] <Friczy> so I dont want to upgrade my Debian to ubuntu
[08:46] <madsen> Friczy: Yeah, I took it from scratch as well...
[08:47] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm, you on dialup?
[08:47] <Iskanje> dsl
[08:47] <madsen> Iskanje: Well, then try to ping google.com
[08:48] <madsen> Iskanje: Or just visit a website or something. :)
[08:48] <Iskanje> I haven't set up PPPoE.. How do I do that?
[08:49] <Friczy> Iskanje: are you sure you need it?
[08:49] <Iskanje> Yep
[08:49] <Friczy> dont you have a dsl router?
[08:49] <madsen> Iskanje: And have you tried pinging google?
[08:49] <Iskanje> Yes, but "dialling" is still needed
[08:49] <Iskanje> no ping
[08:50] <madsen> Iskanje: Sorry, I can't help you there. :/
[08:50] <Friczy> Iskanje: if you have a dsl router then you dont need pppoe.
[08:50] <sulkd> someone dist-upgraded hoary today? nautilus is crashing at startup for me
[08:50] <Pluk> it isnt that stable for me too
[08:51] <Friczy> if you dont have and this machine will connect directly to internet then you need pppoeconf
[08:51] <madsen> sulkd: I did... I have no problems...
[08:52] <Iskanje> aha, thanx, that's just what I need, pppoeconf -- working on it
[08:52] <sulkd> weird
[08:53] <sulkd> maybe I have to restart my X or something.. might be a stale bonobo orb or something
[08:53] <ironwolf> gaim urgent notification doesn't appear to work under ubuntu-desktop.  Any clues?
[08:53] <Rod> hi
[08:53] <gnuyen> Hi, why would someone use ubuntu instead of stock debian?
[08:54] <Rod> i installed ubuntu succesfully on a p733 with regular hardware. Now I have a brand new computer, and I cant get the network running
[08:54] <bogl> gnuyen: in my experience, it simply works!
[08:54] (stvn/#ubuntu) alt-1
[08:54] <Rod> lsmod shows that forcedeth is loaded, which is the network module
[08:54] <Rod> but it cant ping
[08:54] <gnuyen> so ease of use is higher?
[08:54] <Rod> and dhclient says the packet sizes are to big
[08:54] <bogl> I think it makes a better job of most things than xandros, which I as a medium level geek found to be pretty good
[08:55] <Rod> but /etc/resolv.conf took the right things... it took lb.home.venlo.nl, which is exactly what im using
[08:55] <Rod> i dont know what to do anymore
[08:55] <gnuyen> I'm a long time debian user, but when I got this laptop I decided to try out fedora core 1 to see if it had gotten better since redhat 6.1, and have sort of kept upgrading to fc3, and I sort of hate it
[08:55] <Rod> the network card is on a asus k8n motherboard
[08:55] <gnuyen> I really like debian, but I hear good things about ubuntu, but thats the logic i used to install fedora
[08:55] <mirak> gnuyen: then install debian
[08:56] <bogl> Anyone able to help with a USB HDD problem?
[08:56] <Rod> ifup shows also the network being present
[08:56] <gnuyen> So I'm just wondering what makes ubuntu better
[08:56] <Rod> still no network
[08:56] <ironwolf> gnuyen: improved hardware support, and gnome 2.8, more uptodate than debian are the advantages.
[08:56] <bogl> agreed with ironwolf
[08:56] <gnuyen> so it's more up to date than unstable debian?
[08:56] <madsen> gnuyen: I installed Ubuntu yesterday, came from Debian... I like Ubuntu, even though it's a bit more "user-friendly" than Debian and I don't get to hack as much as I like. :)
[08:56] <gnuyen> that's pretty good
[08:56] <Rod> I hope I can also add that the ppl in this channel for ubuntu are great :s
[08:57] <Rod> depends if they help me out or not :s
[08:57] <Pluk> :)
[08:57] <Rod> not sure if I give all the right information
[08:57] <Tomcat_> I finally found something I don't like in Ubuntu...
[08:57] <ironwolf> gnuyen: I like it better for desktop operations.  It's really, really slick.  Best bet is to try the "live CD" if you like it install it, if not, grab Debian.
[08:57] <gnuyen> As a gnome developer I'd like quicker gnome releases
[08:57] <sulkd> that was it.. restarted X and gnome and nautilus is a-ok
[08:57] <mirak> I don't know why, but when I dist-upgrade, apt always want to upgrade  libwxbase2.4 libwxgtk2.4 even if they are already installed
[08:57] <Tomcat_> I wanted to remove gaim and evolution... then it forces me to remove ubuntu-desktop as well, which is probably bad.
[08:57] <mirak> and the last version
[08:57] <madsen> gnuyen: Debian sid is overrated... There's still no Firefox 1.0 there...
[08:57] <Pluk> Tomcat_, you can do that without problem
[08:57] <ironwolf> removing ubuntu-desktop causes no harm.
[08:57] <IRCMonkey> Hi
[08:57] <Rod> maybe firefox is overrated madsen ;-)
[08:57] <madsen> Tomcat_: Hmm, that sucks, since removing Evo, Gaim and Xchat was my next task. :/
[08:57] <Iskanje> Allright, got it connected - thx. I'll now check if it comes up at boot
[08:57] <Pluk> ubuntu-desktop is a container for other packages to install
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> http://img95.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img95&image=Ubuntu.jpg
[08:58] <mirak> madsen: but there is the debian menu and kde apps in the menu
[08:58] <Tomcat_> Pluk: Yes, it's only a metapackage, but it messes with the package management in my head. :)
[08:58] <Pluk> LOL
[08:58] <madsen> Rod: No, I like my Live Bookmarks and they're not in 0.9.3
[08:58] <bogl> I can't get a USB HDD to be made writable:
[08:58] <bogl> my fstab reads /dev/sda1 	/mnt/usbdisk 	vfat 	noauto,users,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[08:58] <IRCMonkey> Does anyone know how can I get the list of the supported packages?
[08:58] <madsen> mirak: ?
[08:58] <zenwhen> ircmoneky?
[08:58] <IRCMonkey> (I haven't got Internet access from Ubunto at the moment)
[08:58] <zenwhen> monkey*
[08:58] <bogl> it mounts, readable, copyable but not writable, even as root
[08:58] <zenwhen> Joey?
[08:58] <Tomcat_> Pluk: Because usually I remove a program, run deborphan, then remove the new orphaned packages, run deborphan, etc... when I remove ubuntu-desktop, I get 5 pages full of orphaned packages. :)
[08:58] <RubenV> IRCMonkey: everything with an ubuntu logo next to it in synaptic
[08:59] <IRCMonkey> ircmonkey = mozillla's default nick
[08:59] <zenwhen> ohhhh
[08:59] <zenwhen> ok
[08:59] <sulkd> IRCMonkey, I dunno.. aptitude search * ?
[08:59] <zenwhen> lol
[08:59] <IRCMonkey> Without having to boot into Ubuntu
[08:59] <Tomcat_> Pluk: So I'd rather leave evolution and gaim untouched and have a good packages system. :]
[08:59] <Pluk> bogl, try instead of rw umask=000
[08:59] <IRCMonkey> I haven't got Internet connection from Linux ATM
[09:00] <bogl> pluk: thanks for that, will give it a go
[09:00] <IRCMonkey> So I'd like to find out and download some packages without having to reboot 3 or 4 times
[09:00] <skeff> IRCMonkey, just check out the online package catalog at gento.. oh no ahaha..this isn't gentoo..I'm ..so stupid.hehe
[09:01] <gnuyen> does the ipw2100 (centrino) driver work in ubuntu out of the box?
[09:01] <Rod> what info do you need to be able to tell why I cant connect to the internet?
[09:01] <IRCMonkey> x)
[09:01] <madsen> skeff: yeah
[09:01] <skeff> X-D I love you guys
[09:01] <IRCMonkey> Just the list of supported packages (I assume the list of unsupported packages is more or less the same as Debian's unstable branch)
[09:01] <IRCMonkey> I can't connect 'cos I have an unsupported DSL modem
[09:02] <RuffianSoldier> My Desktop: http://img95.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img95&image=Ubuntu.jpg
[09:03] <Rod> if' ve never seen a more ugly screenshot than that RuffianSoldier !!!
[09:03] <Rod> bbwaaaaaaaaa
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> Rod, wtf are you talking about?
[09:03] <IRCMonkey> I liked it :)
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> THank you
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> That is a pic of a field next to my house
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> and I added the Ubuntu logo
[09:03] <skeff> oh that reminds me, the Take Screenshot functionality in Gnome disappeared, I think at the time I upgraded from warty to hoary.. how do I get it back?
[09:04] <Rod> is there a iso available of hoary? maybe that will get the network running
[09:04] <RuffianSoldier> skeff, try apt-cache searching for it
[09:04] <madsen> skeff: You can load a "take screenshot" applet.
[09:04] <skeff> madsen, no it doesn't work, it can't find gnome-screenshot or something
[09:05] <sulkd> skeff, you can just hit the "print screen" key on your keyboard
[09:05] <madsen> sulkd: _that_ doesn't work for me, even though I've reconfigured the shortcut.
[09:05] <skeff> hehe you guys..you crack me: result of pressing Print Screen: "Failed to execute child process "gnome-panel-screenshot" (No such file or directory)."
[09:06] <Rod> if i take the amd64 ISO instead, will the network work?
[09:06] <Rod> i now used the i386 for my amd64
[09:06] <Pluk> im running ubuntu-amd64 on my comp
[09:06] <sulkd> skeff: seems the screenshot thingie fell out of the gnome-panel package.. I don't seem to have it anymore either :]
[09:06] <skeff> sulkd, :/
[09:07] <Pluk> with working networking :)
[09:07] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: does the little debian thingy on your top panel mean you have debian menus working?
[09:07] <skeff> Any tips on how I can search for wireless networks?
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> It means I put a Debian logo in the corner
[09:07] <Pluk> skeff, install wavemon
[09:07] <skeff> Pluk, thanks
[09:07] <madsen> skeff: iwlist eth1 scanning
[09:08] <madsen> skeff: or whatever your wifi is called
[09:08] <skeff> madsen, interface doesn't support scanning it says, and yes, eth1 is wireless
[09:08] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: no, the debian logo next to the mini-commander looks like a menu
[09:08] <madsen> skeff: Then either it doesn't support scanning or it can't find anything...
[09:08] <IRCMonkey> Alright, I'm booting into Ubuntu
[09:08] <IRCMonkey> Thanks
[09:08] <skeff> madsen, what? EITHER!?
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> topyli, thats a popdown menu, and I just changed the Icon'
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> it has Firefox, XChat, and Gaim
[09:09] <topyli> ok, i was hoping someone knows how to enable debian menus :9
[09:09] <madsen> skeff: You could install imagemagick and then make a launcher that launches `import -window root ~/screenshot.jpg`.
[09:09] <RubenV> topyli: install debian
[09:09] <madsen> skeff: Yes, either...
[09:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) or mandrake :-P
[09:10] <RubenV> one of the best features of ubuntu is the lack of that horrible menu
[09:10] <topyli> RubenV: that's a pretty sure recipe
[09:10] <RubenV> btw
[09:10] <RubenV> there are voices raised about removing the debian menu alltogether
[09:10] <skeff> madsen, I would rather bitch about package inconsistency until that gets fixed.. I should file a bug I think..where?
[09:10] <madsen> skeff: You can try `ifup eth1; ifdown eth1` and then `iwlist eth1 scanning`. Or take a look at `iwconfig`
[09:11] <topyli> RubenV: i know. i don't think it will pass easily
[09:11] <madsen> skeff: Well, then bitch as you like, but the imagemagick thing is actually smarter, 'cause it won't give you that annoying popup asking if you want to save the shot.
[09:12] <madsen> skeff: I use a bash-function I've hacked myself to dump the screen and upload the image to my webserver.
[09:13] <madsen> skeff: ... via ssh. :)
[09:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: are you a Hacker?
[09:13] <madsen> skeff: It also creates a thumbnail... Serverside. :) Mmm...
[09:13] <EscN0W> does ubuntu 4.10 have sr_CS locale support in glibc and which version of glibc is included?
[09:14] <madsen> GammaRay: Yeah, semi-hacker as oposed to 'cracker'.
[09:14] <sulkd> skeff, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3556
[09:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: salted?
[09:14] <madsen> GammaRay: Yes please. :)
[09:14] <sulkd> skeff, next time they release gnome-utils package, it should show up again
[09:14] <skeff> ploum, wavemon says it can't find a wireless interface..?
[09:14] <skeff> sorry.. Pluk , wavemon says it can't find a wireless interface..?
[09:14] <skeff_> Pluk, wavemon says it can't find a wireless interface..?
[09:15] <madsen> skeff_: Then you probably haven't configured it to the right interface...
[09:15] <madsen> skeff_: Does it use eth1?
[09:15] <skeff_> madsen, who knows :)
[09:15] <bogl> I've messed up my cupsd.conf in an attempt to share my printer as per the wiki instructions - now I'm getting /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[09:15] <madsen> skeff: Well, you're the one using it, so I guess "you".
[09:16] <sulkd> skeff: do dmesg | less and look for your wifi
[09:16] <bogl> sorry, the error is Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting!
[09:16] <skeff> omg, this line: "hermes @ MEM 0xf0c4f000: Error -16 issuing command." takes up entire dmesg buffer.. I have a Prism2.5 Hermes wifi device or something..
[09:17] <madsen> skeff: Well, maybe that's your problem...
[09:17] <skeff> yes it is.. how long can I live in this distro
[09:18] <madsen> One good thing about synaptic over cmd-line apt... It's way easier to remove residual configs...
[09:19] <Pluk> that isnt a distro problem.. its a kernel problem