[02:49] <winlundn> Is it just me or is there no way to move the panel on some themes from the top to the bottom? I tried everything
[02:50] <winlundn> One can move the spacer bar but not the panel in themes like qogir-light
[02:51] <winlundn> I'll ask in plasma, I forgot this may be the wrong group
[02:58] <winlundn> dead there too
[04:00] <guillaume__>   Hi everybody !
[04:00] <guillaume__> Oups colors by mistake :o
[05:07] <OutlinedArc217> hi
[10:54] <Guest30> Hi, I don't seem to have received any patch updates since I ran a dis-upgrade from 20.04 several months. I assume there have been have been some updates in that time. Discover appears to work, I can install new apps and does update Google Chrome. Any ideas? Thanks
 Hi I charge my laptop at night and unplug before I sleep and wake up and find the battery is empty what could be the reason
[11:42] <oerheks> Guest30, if you receive chrome updates, i think nothing is wrong?
[11:44] <Guest30> oerheks, thanks for the response. i guess it's OK, just seemed odd i've not had a security update in quite some time.
[11:45] <oerheks> did you reboot after last update? you can check if it is needed, if the file /var/run/reboot-required exists
[11:46] <oerheks> *hint*
[11:50] <Guest30> i've rebooted many times, and that file does not exist. i checked sources.list and it looks correct. synpactic also says everything is up to date. i'll stop panicing :)  cheers
[11:50] <oerheks> oke, have fun!
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 /help@join_captcha_bot
[21:11] <valorie> Guest69: if you are running 20.04, the upgrage will be out later this month
[21:11] <valorie> upgrade, sheesh
[21:12] <valorie> although I think you won't be prompted to upgrade until the .1 is out
[21:24] <a_> i am loving this linux
[21:24] <a_> very good linux
[21:25] <a_> love from america


[19:20] <veebers> balloons: you around?
[19:22] <balloons> veebers, first day back, how are you?
[19:23] <veebers> balloons: nice, how was your travel back? I'm ok thanks. I got back Wed arvo (Friday today), funnily enough I felt better yesterday than today. But still feel fine :-)
[19:24] <balloons> ahh right, it's one week on locally for you
[19:24] <veebers> balloons: Yeah, I stayed on for a couple of days and left DC Monday lunchtime
[19:24] <veebers> balloons: I can't remember if I followed up this bug, but I take it from past conversations that this can be closed against autopilot? https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1379488
[19:25] <balloons> veebers, so the AP work was to remove the click.rules rules we put in
[19:25] <balloons> I believe that file is gone now, though the work remains. so autopilot should be no longer affected indeed
[19:25] <veebers> balloons: oh, so they no longer exist as part of the remove from image :-)
[19:26] <veebers> sweet, thanks balloons. I'll mark as invalid
[19:26] <veebers> actually, perhaps fix released is better suited if it was the removal of the rules files
[19:28] <balloons> veebers, well what happened to the click rules again? refresh my memory
[19:28] <veebers> balloons: They were removed from autopilot-touch package
[19:28] <balloons> veebers, right, and they went where?
[19:28] <veebers> oh, and moved to dbus-properties-service (or something similar0
[19:28] <veebers> so, they still exist
[19:29] <veebers> so, I think I was to quick to suggest 'fix released'
[19:30] <balloons> veebers, right so that bit of work needs to happen still. So wherever it's moved should be marked
[19:30]  * balloons checks the bug
[19:31] <veebers> balloons: right you are, I'll double check which package it actually went into
[19:31] <balloons> thanks veebers. I'll update the bug to specify that the click.rules need to modified once the dependant bug lands
[19:37] <balloons> veebers, rev 518 makes me smile!
[19:43] <balloons> veebers, so I'm not sure where the rules went your mp doesn't mention a bug
[19:43] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/1.5-fixing-packaging-image-removal/+merge/239192
[19:47] <veebers> balloons: ^_^ yeah working on a release today. Let me clarify where they went
[19:49] <veebers> balloons: dbus-property-service
[20:46] <Letozaf_> Hi guys I've got some problems with an autopilot test I am trying to write for telegram app, launching autopilot list or run on it says there are not tests, cannot figure out what's wrong, can someone help me ?
[20:46] <veebers> Letozaf_: sure thing
[20:46] <veebers> Letozaf_: Do you have a link to a branch of what you're trying to run?
[20:47] <Letozaf_> veebers, thanks, here is the link: lp:~carla-sella/junk/libqtelegram_First_small_test
[20:47]  * veebers looks
[20:50] <veebers> Letozaf_: your __init__.py file is missnamed (has a space in the file name) ubuntu_telegram_app/tests/__init__\ .py should be ubuntu_telegram_app/tests/__init__.py
[20:51] <veebers> Letozaf_: Once you make that change list will work (but currently raises a sytanx error exception, but you'll be able to work that out once you can actually list it :-) )
[20:51] <Letozaf_> veebers, oooh!!! thanks, this was driving me mad :-)
[20:51] <veebers> Letozaf_: heh, nw. I know the feeling :-)
[20:51] <Letozaf_> veebers, :-P
[20:52] <veebers> I've spent some time before wondering the same thing just to realise that my file name didn't start with 'test_' :-\
[20:52] <Letozaf_> veebers, lol


[16:01] <pushkarnk> o/
[16:01] <Skia> o/
[16:01] <juliank> o/
[16:01] <liushuyu> o/
[16:01] <mkukri> o/
[16:01] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[16:01] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:01] <enr0n> o/
[16:01] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-25-january-2024/
[16:01] <zhsj> o/
[16:02] <ogayot> o/
[16:02] <xypron> o/
[16:02] <mateus-morais> o/
[16:02] <ginggs> o/
[16:02] <dviererbe> o/
[16:02] <slyon> o/
[16:03] <schopin> o/
[16:05] <cpete> o/
[16:08] <bdmurray> schopin: computers - yeah!
[16:08] <ravikant_> o/
[16:11] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:11] <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:12] <juliank> bug 2049686
[16:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2049686 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "dpkg-buildflags: emit build flags for negated features" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049686
[16:12] <juliank> this is with security then and assigned to them, I guess we should drop the label
[16:14] <juliank> but we can keep it and follow up on that
[16:14] <juliank> bug 2045455
[16:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2045455 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "add-apt-repository crashed with --- in _request()" [Medium, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2045455
[16:14] <juliank> this is a server authorization issue in launchpad
[16:15] <juliank> I'll go comment "what PPA were you trying to add"
[16:15] <bdmurray> ProcCmdline: /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/add-apt-repository ppa:relan/exfat -y
[16:15] <bdmurray> its right there
[16:15] <juliank> oh
[16:16] <bdmurray> although you might want to check the duplicates using some magic tool
[16:16] <schopin> Ideally we'd have some proper error handling though rather than just throw up some exception up the stack to apport?
[16:16] <bdmurray> lp-bug-dupe-properties -b 2045455 -D ProcCmdline
[16:16] <juliank> yes
[16:17] <juliank> tagging it
[16:17] <bdmurray> It's all the same PPA
[16:17] <enr0n> ^ from lptools
[16:17] <juliank> tagged
[16:17] <juliank> Moving on...
[16:17] <juliank> bug 2049907
[16:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2049907 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "tracker-extract-3 crashes routinely during distribution upgrades" [Medium, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049907
[16:18] <juliank> ask here is to disable tracker extract during upgrades, note that tracker extract runs in user sessions - it's not a system service
[16:20] <juliank> enr0n is tagging it
[16:20] <juliank> bug 2043820
[16:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2043820 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Unable to contact snap store on Xubuntu from Jammy to Noble" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043820
[16:20] <juliank> This is the firefox postinst failing to contact snap store, not the u-r-u itself
[16:22] <bdmurray> Agreed
[16:22] <juliank> I mean this must a snapd bug or a server outage or something?
[16:22] <juliank> I'm inclined to swap u-r-u for snapd
[16:22] <bdmurray> Its weird because the chromium snap update right before that succeeds
[16:22] <bdmurray> Every time in testing
[16:22] <Skia> probably not a server outage, it's been consistant for like 2 months
[16:23] <juliank> ok but what would the action for us be here?
[16:23] <bdmurray> I don't think there is an action for Foundations this was just originally reported about u-r-u
[16:24] <juliank> it basically fails in snap info firefox
[16:24] <juliank> i'll reassign u-r-u to snapd to have them investigate
[16:25] <juliank> And that wraps up noble
[16:26] <juliank> Mantic only has the two desktop bugs it has every week
[16:26] <juliank> And the other incoming queues are empty
[16:26] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:26] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:26] <juliank> I'm somewhat tired today, does anyone else want to do this fascinating long list
[16:29] <juliank> No volunteers? OK
[16:29] <juliank> python-werkzeug is still with pushkarnk
[16:29] <juliank> there are needs fixing merge requests I saw during patch pilot
[16:29] <pushkarnk> yes, MPs under review, debian merged one of the two MRs
[16:30] <juliank> libxcrypt vs ruby is with adrien
[16:30] <juliank> Not sure about libxcrypt vs exim4, I don't see a previous owner
[16:30] <slyon> pushkarnk: should onionshare be sync'ed from experimental?
[16:30] <slyon> (which is including your fix)
[16:30] <pushkarnk> yes
[16:30] <slyon> I can do that..
[16:31] <pushkarnk> slyon: thanks!
[16:31] <pushkarnk> lektor is the elephant in the room :/
[16:31] <juliank> I guess we assumed all libxcrypt is with adrien last week
[16:31] <juliank> adrien: does that work?
[16:32] <adrien> I'm waiting for a review
[16:32] <juliank> ok
[16:32] <xypron> I would like to look into 'apport'. Seems to rsyslog related.
[16:32] <juliank> systemd-hwe is with enr0n
[16:32] <enr0n> juliank: that migrated
[16:32] <juliank> ah cool
[16:33] <juliank> ok let's hunt for more
[16:33] <schopin> adrien: could you tag your bugs awaiting review as update-excuse so that it shows up on the report?
[16:34] <adrien> oops, sure, sorry about that
[16:34] <juliank> apt I guess is with me
[16:34] <adrien> schopin: ah but I don't have a bug, only an MR
[16:35] <juliank> btrfs-progs vs dracut I'll go pick bdrung
[16:35] <adrien> (for reference: https://code.launchpad.net/~adrien-n/ubuntu/+source/ruby3.1/+git/ruby3.1/+merge/459015 )
[16:35] <juliank> (yes it's part of python3 transition but also not related to it in terms of failure)
[16:36] <xypron> I could also have a look at 'rich'.
[16:36] <juliank> None of these are on the list?
[16:37] <juliank> I'm skipping over the python 3 transition too mostly
[16:37] <bdmurray> check-postgres on armhf looks strange (the one with liblocale-gettext-perl as a trigger)
[16:40] <juliank> I don't think we can go investigate the perl and python stuff this all needs to be retried and then if stuff is still broken and the list is smaller we go look at it?
[16:40] <ginggs> bdmurray: 2024-01-21 02:40:37 UTC ?
[16:40] <juliank> And I should build a filtered list excluding the transitions locally
[16:41] <juliank> Lots of waiting stuff
[16:41] <juliank> Nothing really actionable right now afaict
[16:41] <bdmurray> ginggs: yes
[16:41] <juliank> Or like only very small items
[16:42] <ginggs> bdmurray: llvm-toochain-17 was being rebuilt
[16:42] <ravikant_> I volunteer for a small item
[16:42] <ginggs> it finished on 2024-01-21 04:26:17 UTC
[16:43] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-17/1:17.0.6-5build1/+build/27661259
[16:44] <juliank> I guess let's revisit the queue next week, the perl transition is still blocking a lot of runs that need retrying
[16:44] <juliank> #topic AOB
[16:44] <pushkarnk> public holiday in India tomorrow
[16:45] <ogayot> I'll be off next week
[16:45] <Skia> I'm off Monday and Tuesday
[16:46] <mateus-morais> I'm off tomorrow and Monday
[16:47] <adrien> fosdem is in 10 days \o/
[16:48] <juliank> Reminder that carry-over days remain until end of March :)
[16:48] <juliank> I will *not* be at FOSDEM
[16:48] <schopin> Oh right, thanks for the reminder for the carryover!
[16:49] <juliank> And that wraps up this meeting I believe!
[16:49] <juliank> #endmeeting
[16:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:49:02 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-01-25-16.01.moin.txt


[18:34] <vilius> Hi. I have realtek 8811cu wifi dongle attached to my laptop. It worked fine until the last restart of my laptop. Now it is not on for some reason. Any ideas why or solutions?
[18:40] <tomreyn> vilius: does "rfkill" (a terminal command) list it as blocked?
[18:40] <tomreyn> (either "soft" or "hard")
[18:41] <vilius> both unblocked
[18:41] <tomreyn> vilius: which xubuntu version are you running, which kernel version?
[18:42] <tomreyn> (lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version,cmdline}) |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:43] <vilius> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[18:44] <vilius> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[18:44] <vilius> Linux version 5.15.0-67-generic (buildd@lcy02-amd64-116) (gcc (Ubuntu 11.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 11.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #74-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 22 14:14:39 UTC 2023
[18:44] <vilius> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-67-generic root=UUID=764d7856-bc58-4e15-a5ea-7697c16e87be ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[18:44] <tomreyn> !paste | vilius
[18:45] <vilius> !pastebinit Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[18:45] <vilius> Linux version 5.15.0-67-generic (buildd@lcy02-amd64-116) (gcc (Ubuntu 11.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 11.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #74-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 22 14:14:39 UTC 2023
[18:45] <vilius> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-67-generic root=UUID=764d7856-bc58-4e15-a5ea-7697c16e87be ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[18:46] <tomreyn> that's also wrong ;) but i got the info now, thanks. give me a minute to read up.
[18:46] <tomreyn> note that you can also get help with not xubuntu specific questions such as hardware support (like here) in #ubuntu - which is often more active
[18:48] <tomreyn> can you run this command, which will gather kernel warnings and errors and post the output online? you should only post the http address that is returned:
[18:49] <tomreyn> journalctl -kb0 -pwarning |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:49] <vilius> https://termbin.com/sezfw
[18:50] <tomreyn> oh i see you asked the same question in #ubuntu, too
[18:51] <tomreyn> so the company developing the wifi chipset you have there, 8821cu, has unfortunately provided very bad driver support for linux
[18:52] <tomreyn> as a result you already have  been using a so-called "out-of-tree" kernel module, one which is of so bad quality or incompatible license (or both) that it was not added to linux itself
[18:53] <tomreyn> usually, these out of (kernel) tree drivers (or "modules") are only compatible to a certain kernel version, or a couple versions
[18:53] <tomreyn> i assume you are now running a newer kernel verison than you used to, or one with slightly changed "ABIs"
[18:53] <tomreyn> making the old driver you still have installed no longer compatible
[18:54] <vilius> OK; I did apt update and apt-get update; there was some update with kernel (if I remember correctly), so maybe that forced it to stop working
[18:54] <tomreyn> if you look at what you posted at https://termbin.com/sezfw you'll see several lines about "8821cu"
[18:55] <tomreyn> yes, probably, you got a kernel update, which is good. but the wireless driver is not part of the kernel so you still ru the old one there
[18:55] <tomreyn> now we need to look for a newer version of the 8821cu which soemone patched to become compatible to the newer kernel version / ABI you have there
[18:59] <tomreyn> you can bookmark this - which may also link to the latest version in the future: https://github.com/morrownr/8821cu
[19:00] <tomreyn> then start here https://github.com/morrownr/8821cu-20210916#installation-information
[19:02] <vilius> I see there are at least three different users producing drivers for the same dongle? Any idea why?
[19:02] <tomreyn> anything up to "Installation Steps" is background information, which you should read and try to understand (and maybe come back to later), but the actual installation steps are further down
 so the company developing the wifi chipset you have there, 8821cu, has unfortunately provided very bad driver support for linux
[19:03] <tomreyn> ^^that's the answer to your question
[19:12] <vilius> Sorted! Thank you, tomreyn
[19:12] <vilius> I was not aware of the fact that there are various drivers available for the same unit of hardware - migrating from windows for the last three weeks...
[19:15] <tomreyn> vilius: glad you worked it out! that's not usually so, but when people have a piece of badly supported hardware and they don't want to just trash it and have the capability (or think they do) they'll try to patch existing drivers to make them compatible to newer kernel versions
[19:16] <tomreyn> "that"-> various drivers available for the same unit of hardware


[16:38] <hannie> Hi my friends. I hope it's not too late to wish you all a happy, healthy New Year
[16:39] <pleia2> happy new year :)
[16:39] <YoBoY> it's never too late :) Happy new year everyone :*
[16:40] <pleia2> and hooray for createspace.com publishing of the 12.10 manual, always nice to see it available for cheaper (I send it to schools, so very helpful!)
[16:41] <hannie> Yes, it is another step in making our manual available for people all over the world
[16:41] <pleia2> :)
[16:41] <pleia2> I brought a few copies to Ghana with me, and we shipped it on all our desktops there
[16:42] <pleia2> (the pdf version)
[16:42] <hannie> That is so nice to hear! Well done
[16:42] <pleia2> the print version was nice though, unreliable power there so folks could read it even when they weren't able to use computers
[16:42] <hannie> Should you get any feedback, please let us know
[16:42] <pleia2> will do :)
[16:44] <hannie> I hope godbyk read this. We're soooo proud of what he does
[16:44] <hannie> *reads
[16:53] <CarstenG> Hi at all
[16:53] <CarstenG> Happy new year!
[16:54] <hannie> and you too, CarstenG
[16:55] <CarstenG> Thanks
[17:01] <cqfd93> Hi everybody, and Happy New Year!
[17:01] <hannie> hey Sylvie, happy new year. Still in NM?
[17:02] <cqfd93> yes, untin this Saturday
[17:02] <cqfd93> *until
[17:09] <hannie> CarstenG, I am currently installing the daily build of Raring Ringtail
[17:10] <CarstenG> oh
[17:10] <CarstenG> nice :-)
[17:10] <CarstenG> in a VM, I guess :-)
[17:10] <hannie> If it looks good, I am going to ask our authors/editors to start writing/editing again
[17:10] <hannie> Yes, in VB
[17:11] <hannie> *VM
[17:12] <CarstenG> I guess we will make a team meeting before the start?
[17:13] <hannie> Yes, but before planning a meeting I want to know if Raring is usable
[17:13] <CarstenG> sure
[17:13] <CarstenG> but this can be changed tomorrow :-)
[17:13] <CarstenG> It's a alpha
[17:14] <hannie> I think so, yes
[17:14] <CarstenG> or not yet a alpha :-)
[17:14] <hannie> As long as it contains enough new features to write about


[06:37]  * duflu suspects we'll be landing things by hand again :/
[07:02] <RAOF> Wow. I think I may have found a case where g++'s error message is better than clang's.
[07:05] <RAOF> Huh. Tell a lie.
[07:08] <RAOF> Bah!
[07:08] <RAOF> C++11, why does “GLContext(GLContext const&) = delete;” delete all subclass' move constructors?
[08:00] <RAOF> Ah, ok.
[08:00] <RAOF> So, nested worked on android by accident *anyway*.
[08:03] <RAOF> (It selects an EGLConfig supporting EGL_WINDOW_BIT and then proceeds to create a pbuffer surface with that config)
[08:26] <RAOF> Man, we have *far* too many EGLContext wrappers.
[08:30] <duflu> Code duplication... to be sure to be sure
[08:40] <alf_> RAOF: kdub wanted to deduplicate, but it seems you got there first
[08:41] <RAOF> Yup.
[09:16] <anpok> duflu: i meant the methods of DefaultServerConfiguation are spread accross multiple cpp files
[09:17] <duflu> anpok: It's not a class or a method. I think you're confusing default_configuration with DefaultServerConfiguration. They're unrelated
[09:20] <anpok> oh .. too many files named default_configuration.cpp
[09:22] <alf_> anpok: That's so that we can keep implementation details internal to the components that provide them. Each component implements part of the DefaultServerConfiguration in the default_configuration.cpp file located in its source directory.
[09:33] <alan_g> duflu: did we figure out what causes the CI test failures?
[09:33] <duflu> alan_g: No, haven't looked very deeply. They commenced failing again as soon as I said they were passing
[09:34] <duflu> alan_g: Just got a full pass a second ago!
[09:34] <alan_g> There's a lesson in that! ;)
[09:34] <duflu> This is way too erratic and unreliable
[09:34] <alan_g> +10
[09:35] <tvoss> didrocks, can you help alan_g and duflu track down the test flakiness?^
[09:50] <didrocks> tvoss: isn't that the CI team role or the QA team one?
[09:51] <didrocks> tvoss: FYI, all known flaky tests are summarized in my last emails
[09:51] <didrocks> if you see more failure, it's either:
[09:51] <didrocks> - working with the other upstreams to get their new revealed flakyness fixed
[09:51] <didrocks> - or fix a real bug
[09:52] <didrocks> (too many bugs are excused as flakyness, where they are flaky behavior in reality)
[09:52] <tvoss> didrocks, fair, just trying to identify a POC
[09:53] <alan_g> didrocks: I was discussing it with ChrisGagnon yesterday - we're getting inconsistent (and not locally reproducible) results on the phone hardware that's just been switched on.
[09:54] <didrocks> alan_g: will be interesting to have all debug infos for the other teams to fix it (can be autopilot, can be the app or can be a real issue)
[09:54] <didrocks> anyway, I think it's QA/CI team that you want
[09:55] <didrocks> to help identifying the cause
[09:56] <alan_g> didrocks: I guess you've been too helpful to tvoss in the past. ;)
[09:57] <didrocks> ahah, no, he still has credits on my help card :p just I think I won't be able to help reliably (especially with all the meetings I'm in)
[09:57] <didrocks> and I think some people need to fulfill and own their role now ;)
[09:58]  * duflu is paranoid and assumes he has not credits left
[09:58] <duflu> Although I don't think we need didrocks help on this issue yet
[10:08] <alan_g> greyback: are you subscribed to mir-devel and the "Shell communication channel: simple, half-assed or fully-arsed?" discussion
[10:08]  * alan_g wonders why his keyboard just switched to US layout
[10:08] <greyback> alan_g: I am. I see your thread, I'll add my 2cents shortly
[10:11] <RAOF> EOD for me.
[10:11] <alan_g> Goodbye RAOF, have a nice evening
[10:15] <tvoss> RAOF, o/
[10:36]  * duflu isn't sure using one's full arse is in fact better than half thereof
[10:36] <duflu> And on that thought, good night
[15:32] <mterry> kgunn, when might we see a new mir drop? (resending, because I think IRC timed out on me)
[15:33] <seb128> mterry, one day you need to get a stable internet connection ;-)
[15:33] <kgunn> mterry: i'd like to say next week
[15:33] <seb128> mterry, or an IRC proxy
[15:33] <mterry> seb128, naw, anything important is logged  :)
[15:33] <seb128> ;-)
[15:33] <mterry> kgunn, :(  ok
[15:34] <kgunn> mterry: we've got wonky integration tests right now on the dev branch that alf is trying to sort thru
[15:34] <kgunn> as soon as those stabilize we can update
[15:34] <kgunn> mterry: is there a feature on dev you really need pulled thru ?
[15:35] <mterry> kgunn, yeah, this is the bug racarr fixed at the sprint, blocking nested mode
[15:35] <mterry> kgunn, I can wait
[15:35] <mterry> kgunn, just wanted to see it land
[15:35] <kgunn> mterry: well...me too
[15:35] <kgunn> mterry:  i was ready to promote it this week...but we started seeing flaky ci
[15:36] <kgunn> mterry: what's bothering me...we've been chasing for a few days...and its nothing easy...we're starting to think stuff like...toolchain deltas or low level arm diff between calxeda vs n4
[15:37] <kgunn> calxeda being the big arm server where the build is done
[15:37] <kgunn> so its native...but not to the same arm core
[15:38] <kgunn> and its the classic...only the auto ci will fail...no local attempts fail
[15:38] <mterry> kgunn, yikes
[17:07] <mterry> greyback, so I've heard that scenegraph will make animating stuff in USC easier.  Is that because I'll be more easily able to use Qt stuff or what?
[17:09] <greyback> mterry: essentially with QML, any application surface will be added to the QML context as an Item. So you can animate it with the usual QML animation system
[17:10] <mterry> greyback, hmm, OK.  And the USC would be able to do the same with session surfaces
[17:10] <greyback> mterry: as an example, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gerboland/+junk/qpa-mirserver/view/head:/qml-demo-shell/qml-demo-shell.qml
[17:10] <greyback> mterry: when a new surface appears, its x coordinate is animated in. When it is destroyed, it scales to zero.
[17:11] <greyback> mterry: yep
[17:11] <greyback> mterry:  to USC, the unity8 user session is just a surface
[17:12] <mterry> greyback, awesome.  I want to play with that.  What is rough ETA for landing?
[17:13] <alan_g> greyback: once you start using hardware overlays that won't be true
[17:14] <greyback> alan_g: sure, once hardware overlays are happening, QML won't be drawing the surface (hardware will), but it will still manage the surface
[17:15] <greyback> mterry: oh January, maybe later. It's in demo condition still. I'm still learning the ins and outs.
[17:15] <alan_g> greyback: usc is in the path to hardware - so the unity8 session becomes a set of surface
[17:17] <greyback> alan_g: sure, but unity8 will decide what surface(s) to be overlaid, send that to USC which will either hardware draw it, or fallback to GL. But that still requires unity8 to manage the surface properties
[17:17] <mterry> greyback, OK, so not baked enough for me to try and use?
[17:18] <greyback> mterry: let me send you some bits and pieces so you can play.
[21:02] <kgunn> racarr: btw, i meant to tell you earlier... mterry was chatting with me yesterday and was indicating that
[21:02] <kgunn> the whole seperate queue for differing events was going to be more critical sooner that later
[21:02] <kgunn> because it wasn't just an annoyance of that stale frame showing on screen-on
[21:04] <kgunn> mterry cmiiaw...but you're effectively  needing to render prior to the screen coming on
[21:05] <kgunn> mterry: and i can't remember...was there some other reason it was going to be critical ?
[21:08] <mterry> kgunn, just that it was an ugly enough regression when splitting the greeter that it would likely block landing
[21:08] <mterry> kgunn, the problem being that Mir freezes the greeter early in its startup, so it can't queue up what the screen will look like for when the screen does come back on
[21:37] <anpok_> hm my connection is getting bad again
[23:07] <kdub> kgunn, ping
[23:07] <kdub> if its not your eod
[23:07] <kgunn> yo
[23:07] <kgunn> kdub:
[23:08] <kdub> i've wandered above mir in looking for that bug...
[23:09] <kgunn> kdub: ok...do we need gerry to pick it up ?
[23:09] <kdub> might be something I want to look at with him
[23:10] <kdub> because I see in unity-mir the sequence coming off of dbus is on, off, on, on
[23:10] <kdub> and the double on causes us problems
[23:10] <kdub> and from powerd's perspective, i just see  on, off, on, off repeated
[23:10] <kdub> i don't know what dbus can or cannot do with message ordering
[23:14] <kgunn> greyback: you really on ?
[23:14] <greyback> kgunn: yes, but only because I forgot to turn off IRC :)
[23:15] <greyback> kgunn: what's up?
[23:15] <kgunn> greyback: oh, sorry...but if you're tempted ^
[23:15] <kgunn> what kdub is looking at....2 "on" msgs
[23:15] <kgunn> causing screen to stay off
[23:15] <kdub> greyback, could dbus send out of order messages?
[23:16] <greyback> kdub: dbus guarantees order of messages
[23:16] <greyback> well as long as there's 1 source & 1 destination
[23:17] <kdub> could it send a message twice?
[23:17] <greyback> kdub: so you get "on off on on" all over dbus? From powerd?
[23:17] <kdub> yes, from powerd
[23:17] <greyback> kdub: nope, never heard of that happening
[23:17] <kdub> but looking through powerd, looks like it should never do that
[23:17] <kdub> i'll keep poking around
[23:18] <greyback> if you've no luck, mail me before you EOD, and I'll take it up in the morning
[23:18] <kgunn> greyback: thank you
[23:19] <kdub> alright, thanks
[23:20] <greyback> kdub: it's strange as I thought this line in unity-mir would prevent it asking Mir for a double-on:
[23:20] <greyback>         if (displayConfigOutput.power_mode != newPowerMode) {
[23:20] <greyback> dbusscreen.cpp:69
[23:21] <kdub> that would stop the blank/unblank, but not the compositor stop/start
[23:34] <greyback> oh
[23:34] <greyback> hmm


[00:58] <multifractal> Does anyone know the rhythmbox equivalent of itunes "keep library organized" function?
[01:33] <ScaredySquirrel> um yes where is that dpkg-buildpackage thingy?
[01:33] <ScaredySquirrel> nvm
[01:48] <JarvisSaves> hello all - anyone running 19.10 on a fairly new Asus laptop?
[01:51] <JarvisSaves> I'm running an asus zenbook pro duo with 19.10 and all runs great with one main exception, can't find way to change the screen brightness, using the function  keys or changing  with the menu at the top right shows the slider, but it doesn't change the screen brightness.  Any ideas on what could be wrong.
[01:52] <JarvisSaves> Also, can't get an answer from the Ubuntu web forum
[01:53] <JarvisSaves> Any input or direction would be greatly appreciated.
[02:05] <noodlecan> hello!  I have my nameservers defined in netplan.  When i run netplan --debug apply my nameservers are listed correctly.  On each reboot dns fails and I have to run netplan apply again.  ON boot before i run netplan apply, if I run resolvctl status my nameservers are still correctly defined, but dns does not work.  Any ideas what I can try?
[02:06] <noodlecan> I am running 19.10
[02:06] <JarvisSaves> Thanks for responding nood...do you have any issues controlling your screen brightness
[02:08] <noodlecan> also i have networkmanager disabled in systemd and am using networkd as my renderer.  JarvisSaves, my server is headless
[02:11] <noodlecan> netplan is correctly publishing nameservers to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf.  I have tried enabling and disabling DNSStubListener with no change between reboots
[02:11] <subho99> Hey guys, I have a R5 2500U APU. I'm having trouble booting up all 5.x kernels. At first I cuoldn't boot them at all.
[02:11] <subho99>  Then I added the boot parameters iommu=soft and idle=nomwait, I could work without random crashes. But whenever I put my device to sleep, on waking up the screen is always black and  I need to do a force restart by pressing the power button.
[02:12] <subho99> 4.19.x kernels are working fine
[02:12] <subho99> Any suggestions?
[02:17] <retry> hey I just noticed I haven't gotten any updates since Dec 19th on any of my 'buntu systems. Am I worrying over nothing?
[02:24] <leftyfb> retry: What version are they? Also, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
[02:24] <noodlecan> it looks like "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" is being stripped out of /etc/resolv.conf on boot.  just manually adding it correct lookups.  Is that functionality controlled by dnsmasq?
[02:26] <retry> all 18.04 LTS
[02:38] <multifractal> I added the ppa:fossfreedom/rhythmbox-plugins as is instructed here https://askubuntu.com/questions/147942/how-do-i-install-third-party-rhythmbox-plugins but when I try to apt-isntall anything such as `rhythmbox-plugin-complete` or `rhythmbox-plugin-coverart-browser` I get `E: Unable to locate package rhythmbox-plugin-coverart-browser`
[02:49] <hnnerr63> Hi everyone. Quick question. Has there been any updates for Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS since Dec 24? I haven't received any since that time.
[02:53] <damian> hey team, i've been having an issue with one of my servers for a while, it started after a few updates. 18.04.01 LTS. for some reason DNS just isn't working, whenever i attempt to ping/nslookup/wget it's returning generic unable to do a lookup
[02:53] <retry> hnnerr63, i basically asked same question
[02:53] <retry> didn't get much of a response
[02:53] <retry> 19th for me
[02:53] <hnnerr63> @retry Ah ok.. thanks for that.
[02:53] <damian> i believe it's using netplan, i've checked the netplan configuration and nameservers look correct, even set them to Google public DNS to ensure
[02:54] <damian> i can do an nslookup with a manual server selected and it works as well
[02:54] <damian> i also have configuration in my /etc/network/interfaces for the interface, changing this doesn't have any effect on the issue either
[02:54] <matt|home> this is bothering me so much. i keep getting the generic "dvd source required to play file" whenever i try to play a DVD. i did everything to install the software, and it worked.. one 2 out of the 3 discs i have from the same box set. now the third disc just refuses to play -at all- . doesn't matter what player im using. can anyone explain this behavior :\
[02:54] <matt|home> current stable version, all software up to date
[03:04] <matt|home> anyone..
[03:06] <Bashing-om> matt|home: Have you seen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs ?
[03:06] <matt|home> yes.
[03:06] <matt|home> i did all the instructions.
[03:07] <matt|home> after doing all of that, like i said, 2 of the 3 discs i have on this particular box set were able to play. the third one does not.
[03:07] <matt|home> plays just fine in my other dvd player.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> matt|home: Sorry; only thought thatI had:(
[03:09] <matt|home> sorry, im really sick and cranky. that was mean.
[03:09] <matt|home> if it's not a region issue and i have the stupid libdvd stuff installed, what could be the issue
[03:13] <matt|home> well. that worked. i just kept trying to open the file and it just worked aftera while. god knows why
[03:14] <Bashing-om> matt|home: :D
[04:21] <MJCD_> woah
[04:22] <MJCD_> what is going onnnn with ctrl+alt+f2-f12
[04:22] <akko> ubuntu
[04:22] <MJCD_> it's just some weird trippy direct draw progress bars
[04:22] <MJCD_> xD
[04:29] <CarlFK> how do I force a package to reinstall?
[04:30] <CarlFK> to overwrite the binaries it installed.  one seems to have gotten altered
[04:31] <ilvipero> there are a few ways to handle it. have you tried purging and then installing again?
[04:31] <CarlFK> I haven't tried anything yet.  isnt' there a -reinstall or something ?
[04:31] <Bashing-om> CarlFK: Try ' sudo apt install --reinstall <package> ' .
[04:31] <CarlFK> yeah that.
[04:32] <ilvipero> you can also try: sudo apt-get purge applicationname && sudo apt-get install applicationname
[04:34] <pragmaticenigma> ilvipero, purging will delete any of the user's configurations. I would recommend that as a last thing to try if Bashing-om's suggestion fails
[04:35] <pragmaticenigma> ilvipero, When someone asks to reinstall, there's a good change they don't want to have to start over from scratch
[04:39] <ilvipero> yes, but good to keep as last resort, as if a configuration file is corrupted or triggers a bug, clearing it will most likely fix the issue.
[04:40] <ilvipero> next time I will be clearer, thanks for pointing that out
[04:41] <CarlFK> how do I re-download the .deb, because it seems to be broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7VX3NDMYw6/
[04:44] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK, You don't want to download the .deb... as that will interfere with apt's ability to track what is going on (and compound your current issue)
[04:45] <Bashing-om> CarlFK: Well, one can remove the deb from the /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory - or 'sudo apt clean to removeallofthem '.
[04:45] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: I want apt  to do t and all that
[04:46] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK, start with the following: "sudo apt clean all && sudo apt autoremove"
[04:48] <pragmaticenigma> Then try the previous reinstall command again. If that doesn't fix the issue, there is the option to run apt with its --fix-missing parameter. Though I need to read up on how to use that option.
[04:49] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:53] <CarlFK> that seemed to have fixed that problem
[04:53] <CarlFK> somehow .py file were png's of stars and other little cute icons
[04:57] <mrwendal> hi all
[04:58] <brendantcc> Hi mrwendal!
[04:59] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK, not sure I understand what you mean there, but glad it seems things are back on the right track
[05:02] <mrwendal> brendantcc ;) , I have two identical hdd,. i know one is on its way out(about to die) but cant tell which. what can i use from terminal to find the bad one the faster the better(i assume unmounting and from terminal will be best for me re speed of checks-correct me if wrong please)
[05:03] <brendantcc> hm...
[05:04] <brendantcc> sadly I don't know of any CLI tools that could help you with this, but stick around, I'm sure of it someone else will be able to help you :)
[05:05] <mrwendal> cheers brendantcc much appreciated for your reply
[05:05] <brendantcc> no worries :)
[05:06] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: if you want to see.. this python code is a star.... https://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com/static/temp/AnsiballZ_apt_key.py
[05:06] <CarlFK> like, file says PNG
[05:09] <pragmaticenigma> !smart | mrwendal, there are tools to help with monitoring your disk's SMART status:
[05:11] <ilvipero> mrwendal, I am sure the gnome disks can report the serial number of your hard disks. for CLI only, I think you can see the Serial Numbers in the /dev/disk/by-id folder
[05:11] <ilvipero> i will double check now and get back to you
[05:13] <mrwendal> ilvipero, ubottu pragmaticenigma thanks respectively im currently giving smartctl -a /dev/sdc1
[05:13] <pragmaticenigma> ilvipero, the smartmontools will return the serial number as part of the report
[05:13] <mrwendal> it has serial number listed
[05:15] <ilvipero> yes confirmed you can see all your serial numbers in /dev/disk/by-id . it is in this format: diskname_serialnumbers
[05:21] <mrwendal> id like to run a selftest would that be done in the following way "smartctl -t /dev/sdc1" ?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> mrwendal: One runs the test on the device (sdc) not the partition.
[05:25] <mrwendal> Bashing-om, Thanks so much
[05:26] <mrwendal> this what i got before running test-if anyone see's something to troublesome please advise me
[05:26] <Bashing-om> mrwendal: :D
[05:26] <mrwendal> https://pastebin.com/UUZp6BPE
[05:27] <KombuchaKip> Can anyone help me with an issue with shrinking one of my encrypted partitions? I've followed these instructions (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions#Reduce_an_encrypted_partition) but when I get to `sudo lvdisplay` I just see a bunch of "open failed: No medium found" errors.
[05:31] <HayashiEsme> Hey there, I'm interested in joining MOTU, is this wiki page still accurate for how to seek sponsorship? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[05:34] <mrwendal> KombuchaKip, no promises but try cutting and pasting steps taken so far into pastbin then share the link on here so e1 can see where you are at in your problem and how you got there
[05:35] <mrwendal> eg your terminal
[05:36] <KombuchaKip> mrwendal: https://pastebin.com/EpBdbqzE  I've done all of the steps in reduction section up until sudo lvdisplay. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions#Reduce_an_encrypted_partition
[05:49] <mrwendal> KombuchaKip, are you getting any errors regarding kernel
[05:50] <mrwendal> or incompatible libdevmapper
[05:51] <KombuchaKip> mrwendal: Don't see that anywhere in the kern.log
[05:51] <mrwendal> assume your pastbin is verbatim will keep googling for ya-if any masters out there wanna help out jump in by all means
[05:52] <KombuchaKip> mrwendal: Thank you.
[05:52] <mrwendal> *assuming
[05:52] <mrwendal> welcome
[05:59] <CarlenWhite> Feel kinda dumb just now realizing how useful a chroot is.
[06:01] <CarlenWhite> For building stuff that is. My laptop is primarily focused on everyday computing but occasionally I want to build something and what I get is package clutter. Seems like chroot will work around that by keeping it inside a location I can discard and recreate when needed.
[06:02]  * KombuchaKip heads to bed.
[06:03] <mrwendal> laters KombuchaKip
[06:04] <bobdobbs> how do I take a screenshot while using plasma desktop? the printscreen button does nothing.
[06:04] <bobdobbs> I installed flameshot, but it doesn't start
[06:08] <mrwendal> https://superuser.com/questions/1179749/is-there-a-way-to-take-a-screenshot-in-kde-desktop-by-pressing-only-the-prtsc
[06:08] <mrwendal> does this work
[06:08] <bobdobbs> lets see...
[06:09] <bobdobbs> the 'shift+printscreen' combo doesn't work.
[06:09] <bobdobbs> I'll try and find that hotkeys dialogue
[06:11] <bobdobbs> no, I can't find it
[06:15] <mrwendal> Settings or All Settings--> Global Shortcuts--> KDE Daemon (is this not doing it for you?-im not familiar with KDE are you running latest)
[06:21] <bobdobbs> mrwendal: turns out there's an app called 'spectacle'. I opened it from a terminal emulator
[06:22] <bobdobbs> It starts slowly and has a somewhat confusing UI
[06:22] <bobdobbs> but it did the trick in the end
[06:24] <mrwendal> im deep down a rabbithole atm downloading plasma will mount and then mess with it to see what works but from what i can tell you can make your own keycombo shortcuts and choose what program to carry it out
[06:25] <mrwendal> with spectical being one of them and i assumed the prog u mentioned is another 'flameshot
[06:25] <mrwendal> what verison you running champ
[06:26] <bobdobbs> mrwendal: which version of plasma? I'm not sure. Whichever one is in the default repos for  18.04
[06:26] <bobdobbs> lets see if I can find out..
[06:26] <mrwendal> bobdobbs, open terminal uname -a
[06:27] <bobdobbs> Linux endorra 4.15.0-72-generic #81-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 26 12:20:02 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:27] <mrwendal> cool
[06:27] <bobdobbs> oh, found it
[06:28] <bobdobbs> KDE Plasma Version: 5.12.9
[06:28] <bobdobbs> plasma is quiet beautiful
[06:29] <bobdobbs> couple of drawbacks, like dolphin is really slow.
[06:29] <bobdobbs> But it looks really nice.
[06:38] <mrwendal> bloody hell tried to replicate the problem and on my keyboard Prt Scr worked with specticle straight out of box. Have you changed the keyboard bobdobbs?
[06:38] <mrwendal> language i mean
[06:39] <bobdobbs> huh, interesting
[06:40] <bobdobbs> I haven't changed anything, as far as I can recall
[06:40] <bobdobbs> I just installed plasma recently
[06:40] <bobdobbs> I do have synergy running. That accessess the keyboard, but doesn't change anything afaict
[06:51] <mrwendal> yo bobdobbs had any luck on ur end
[06:52] <mrwendal> i have found out how to get to the menu i mentioned earlier, can walk you through if u want
[06:52] <mrwendal> and then you can set your own shortcut combo
[06:53] <mrwendal> or at least know what its currently set to and what program its using
[07:02] <mrwendal> you still there bobdobbs
[07:02] <bobdobbs> just about to shoot out the door to get groceries. back in a couple of hours
[07:03] <mrwendal> too easy talk later
[07:21] <TexadimirLeanin> how long does it roughly take to compile ubuntu on an average home computer?
[07:30] <ducasse> TexadimirLeanin: what exactly do you mean? are you trying to solve a problem?
[07:31] <Sublim21> anyone know of the best way to dump a lubuntu installation onto a flash drive?  i wanna back up the o.s. i have thats on the emcc of an atomicpi
[07:31] <Sublim21> clonezilla seems to be the recommended solution online, but i figured i'd ask here
[07:32] <Sublim21> any help is appreciated
[07:32] <ducasse> clonezilla is a good option, sure
[07:34] <Sublim21> ducasse, i never used it before.  i just wanna make sure this is done 'right'
[07:36] <ducasse> Sublim21: clonezilla is a big project, well known and receives lots of testing
[07:42] <mouses> Sublim21: I also would highly recommend Clonezilla.  There is a bit of a learning curve, but it's pretty user friendly and very powerful.
[08:08] <Sublim21> mouses, ducasse, appreciate the comments.  alright, im gonna try that.   ill just perform a manual backup then try doing it that way
[08:12] <mouses> Sublim21: best of luck, feel free to shoot me a ping if you get lost somewhere with Clonezilla
[08:13] <mouses> the documentation is pretty good though
[08:23] <Sublim21> mouses, will do.  gotta download it, put it on flash usb, and whatnot.  ill ping with any problems.  thanks again
[09:32] <Ublx> What is the best secure twitter client for ubuntu?
[09:38] <tomreyn> a web browser
[09:40] <Ublx> tomreyn: Hehe... really? then I do not have to change anything ;)
[09:42] <tomreyn> i'd trust firefox or chromium to do https properly and to keep those credentials safely more than a special purpose application.
[09:42] <tomreyn> it might not be as convenient to use, though.
[09:56] <Ublx> tomreyn: it's okay. thanks. very helpful. then i wont change anything.
[10:32] <albech> Hi all. I remember back in the days on Debian that there was some script to gather all information about the system like NICs, installed packages etc and dump it to a text file. What is this tool called?
[10:33] <albech> could easily do something in bash, but i might as well use something already made
[10:39] <jeremy31> albech: inxi?
[12:06] <writer888> Hi! What is the best channel to get help on sound output issues?
[12:09] <lotus|NUC> !sound | writer888
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:26] <jemark> howdy BluesKaj
[12:26] <BluesKaj> hi jemark
[12:46] <ChiLLabiS> Hi! I'm on Ubuntu 18.04. Is it possible to install UbuntuStudio through apt? If so, how?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> ChiLLabiS, UbuntuStudio is a stand alone OS, just like any other ubuntu flavour
[12:50] <ChiLLabiS> So then it would work installing from apt then?
[12:50] <ChiLLabiS> I mean i can install Kubuntu-desktop on an standard Ubuntu
[12:50] <BluesKaj> the desktop, yes
[12:50] <ChiLLabiS> ok
[12:50] <BluesKaj> same goes for ubuntu studio
[12:51] <ioria> ChiLLabiS, if you want a 'full' ubuntustudio install, i suggest a new install (it uses lowlatency kernel and a lot of pkgs)
[12:53]  * BluesKaj assumes ChiLLabiS doesn't want to do a clean install
[12:53] <ChiLLabiS> ioria: Okay, but isn't it some way i can install and test through apt first? before i choose a fresh install
[12:53] <ChiLLabiS> haha right on BluesKaj
[12:53] <tomreyn> you can also just switch to the low latency kernel and install ubuntustudio-desktop and the ubuntustudio backports PPA
[12:53] <ioria> ChiLLabiS, sure : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList
[12:54] <ioria> ChiLLabiS,  ubuntustudio-desktop alone won't give you almost nothing new
[12:54] <tomreyn> there's also the #ubuntustudio IRC channel
[12:54] <tomreyn> ...as ChiLLabiS already found out.
[12:55] <ChiLLabiS> I've asked in #ubuntusudio, they're all doing something else instead of answering me on irc :(
[12:56] <william1> Couldn't you run it in virtualbox or equivalent first?
[12:57] <tomreyn> you asked a different question there, though. amount and type of response can depend on the questions you ask.
[12:57] <william1> Download the torrent from their website and roll with that in virtualbox/try out the OS there
[12:58] <ChiLLabiS> Thanks for the links ioria william1 ! I think i'll manage now.
[12:58] <ioria> ok
[13:00] <william1> :)
[13:01] <ChiLLabiS> I think i just need the audio and plugin packages from Ubuntu Studio.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> then install ubuntustudio-audio
[13:09] <ChiLLabiS> Will do later after i buy a new soundcard. :)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[13:10] <ChiLLabiS> just checking now before i buy anything
[13:11] <BluesKaj> ahh, just like graphics cards, one canspend mucho buckos on audio cards too
[13:24] <juanonymous> who is running deluge in their vps server here?
[13:25] <juanonymous> vps*
[13:26] <tomreyn> no polls, please, just ask your questions.
[13:45] <elphias> hello, i am trying to setup xchat in ubuntu 18.04 to use freenode.net and #ubuntu, but its talking about something called sasl and i cannot seem to figure it out even though i have googled it, can someone help me?
[13:45] <elphias> i hate this web based version of irc
[13:49] <jeremy31> elphias: use hexchat instead
[13:49] <ioria> elphias, hexchat has in-built SASL support
[13:50] <elphias> ok, though i love my xchat XD, so i guess it's outdated?
[13:50] <jeremy31> elphias: you might not notice any difference
[13:50] <ioria> elphias, idk your setup but i'am using xchat atm
[13:51] <mouses> elphias: xchat is not maintained anymore and you probably want to chance to a client that is still getting updates/security patches
[13:51] <elphias> i tried using xchat in ubuntu 18.04 but it gives me an sasl error that i can't figure out
[13:52] <mouses> s/chance/change
[13:53] <elphias> brb gonna try this hex chat
[13:53] <ChiLLabiS> Hi again! Would this work on standard Ubuntu? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/backports
[13:55] <tomreyn> technically? yes. this ppa is supported in #ubuntustudio
[13:55] <ChiLLabiS> okok
[13:57] <elphias> well that took a bit of fanangling
[13:57] <elphias> i think i got it all setup right? does it look ok to you all?
[13:58] <elphias> it's been many years since i have been here, and i've got a few issues that i could really use help with
[13:58] <juanonymous> sorry. anyway, i wanted to install deluge on my vps running ubuntu 18.04 xenial. but it seems to not work, nobody in #deluge can help, im hoping that there is one here.
[13:59] <tomreyn> elphias: if it's about irc, please ask in #freenode , is it's about ubuntu, here's a good place. :)
[13:59] <elphias> one is an interesting issue with my asus laptop, cheese seems to be making my webcam video upside down, and i cannot seem to fix it
[13:59] <elphias> the other is about the video drivers and "artifacts" on my dual screen asus laptop system
[14:00] <elphias> i have my ubuntu system almost perfect, but i can't get a few things done, and need some help, so, i came here, which i am glad to see that #ubuntu is still here after like 8 years of not using it ^_^
[14:01] <tomreyn> juanonymous: can clarify "does not work", since that's not going to enable anyone to help you out. error messages and a descrition of what you did and what happened and what should instead have happened are usually a good way to start analyzing a problem.
[14:01] <tomreyn> *can you
[14:02] <elphias> my first issue is with ubuntu's cheese camera application, everything is upside down, i have tried to fix using various howto's but to no avail, is there something i can do to right the image?
[14:03] <elphias> the laptop is an asus laptop (model number does not match the hardware....it's a franken top)
[14:04] <elphias> according to asus they stopped making this laptop at i5, with 8gb of ram, well the serial number says so, however it's running an i7 octa core with 16 gb of ram.....so model numbers are useless in this case
[14:04] <tomreyn> elphias: "lsusb" should provide further info on the webcam you have there.
[14:05] <elphias> tomreyn here's partial output of lsusb   Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13d3:5122 IMC Networks 2M Integrated Webcam
[14:05] <elphias> i just don't know what to do, i've never had this problem in the 15 years i've used ubuntu
[14:06] <elphias> usually i don't need help, google is my friend, but this has me stumped
[14:07] <elphias> and before any of you start to help, let me pre thank you for taking the time out of what your doing to do so
[14:07] <tomreyn> elphias: can you close cheese, then run this from a terminal?    export LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 && LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese
[14:08] <elphias> oddly it says now no device found
[14:09] <juanonymous> so i installed deluge, using the command sudo-apt get install deluge deluge-web after i run sudo apt-get update, the install was successful without any errors. on the webpage, it is saying that page could not be loaded or check proxy settings, deluge should run on port 8115, check ufw, it is ok, i even tried disabling firewall but it doesnt help either.
[14:10] <tomreyn> elphias: hmm, undo it with:  unset LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS
[14:10] <juanonymous> i also tried using different browsers, from firefox, chrome, opera
[14:10] <elphias> oh wait, i had to use ubuntu's terminal not the cool-retro-terminal
[14:10] <elphias> now it's working, will that command perminantly fix the issue?
[14:12] <elphias> tomreyn here's the output of terminal in ubuntu pastbin
[14:12] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mD3k2hKKn8/
[14:12] <elphias> is there a way to commmit this change perminantly?
[14:12] <elphias> and thanks for helping ^_^
[14:13] <tomreyn> elphias: no, it wont be permanent. to make it permanent for your user account, try this:   echo "alias cheese='export LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 && LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese'">> ~/.bash_aliases
[14:14] <tomreyn> elphias: this will only make it work for cheese, though. if you need it rotated in general, a different approach may be better
[14:15] <elphias> tomreyn, i need it rotated in general, however the echo command did not seem to work
[14:15] <tomreyn> juanonymous: when you run     nc -vv <IP_ADDRESS> 8115    on a terminal, what does it report?
[14:15] <juanonymous> let me check
[14:16] <tomreyn> elphias: did not seem to work how?
[14:16] <tomreyn> elphias: i.e. what makes you think it did not work?
[14:16] <elphias> well i entered the echo command and there was no output just went back to the prompt, i then opened cheese and the image was still upside down
[14:16] <elphias> but when i enter the first commmand you gave me things work fine
[14:17] <elphias> the image is right side up and oriented correctly
[14:17] <elphias> the second command does no change
[14:17] <elphias> i even tried it as root
[14:18] <tomreyn> elphias: when you run a command on a terminal and there is no output as a result, it usually means that it succeeded.
[14:19] <elphias> yes i understand that, but in this case there was no change in cheese, when i opened it the image was still upside down
[14:19] <elphias> as if the command registered but isn't being excicuted
[14:19] <juanonymous> tomreyn: one question, should i run <IP_ADDRESS> 8115 or should i use my vps ip?
[14:20] <tomreyn> elphias: please logout and login again. then try running cheese from a terminal and see whetehr webcam is then correct. also, please post the url this returns (can be done now):   cat ~/.bash_aliases | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:20] <tomreyn> juanonymous: <IP_ADDRESS> 8115   first of all, oyu can try your public ip address next if this succeeds
[14:21] <elphias> ok getting ready to try now
[14:21] <elphias> brb
[14:25] <juanonymous> it fails to connect, connection refused
[14:27] <elphias> i'm back here's the output you wanted
[14:27] <elphias> https://termbin.com/zaze
[14:27] <elphias> there is no change to the camera
[14:29] <leftyfb> juanonymous: please read the instructions: https://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/ThinClient#WebUI
[14:31] <tomreyn> elphias: did you run cheese from a temrinal or using the desktop shortcut?
[14:32] <elphias> tomreyn, there was no desktop shortcut created, i went into the app drawer and tried to use it from there
[14:32] <juanonymous> thanks
[14:33] <elphias> tomreyn, it's odd the first command seemed to work, the second command seemed to take, but nothing else is working with the camera as it should be
[14:33] <tomreyn> elphias: here's what i wrote earlier: "then try running cheese from a terminal and see whether webcam is then correct"
[14:33] <tomreyn> please run it from a terminal now.
[14:34] <elphias> tomreyn, when run from cli it works fine
[14:34] <elphias> i missed the terminal part
[14:34] <tomreyn> ok, so you need to edit the .desktop file then, i guess, let's see
[14:35] <juanonymous> thank you it's running now leftyfb
[14:35] <elphias> tomreyn, i would not know how to do that.....never had to tinker with this before
[14:36] <elphias> tomreyn, downloading skype now to see if things work there or are broken as well
[14:36] <tomreyn> elphias: the .desktop file is in /usr/share/applications/cheese.desktop but i just realized it does just run "cheese", which i guess mean the alias should have worked.
[14:36] <elphias> and who knows if discord works
[14:37] <tomreyn> elphias: yes, you should find out whether it needs a general change, that's good.
[14:38] <elphias> tomreyn, i got the cheese.desktop file open, do i make any changes there? and if so what?
[14:38] <tomreyn> i need to leave you there for a bit now, got to work on something else for a bit, sorry. the takeaway for now is that to run cheese you need to run it like this:   export LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 && LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese
[14:38] <tomreyn> hopefully someone else can help in the meantime.
[14:39] <tomreyn> i read about this here https://askubuntu.com/questions/796082/how-to-fix-inverted-laptop-webcam-video
[14:39] <noodlecan> fixed it.  Replaced the symlink to resolv.conf  replacing /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf with /lib/systemd/resolv.conf.
[14:40] <tomreyn> elphias: see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam/Troubleshooting
[14:40] <elphias> noodlecan, i will try that, how do i replace the symlink? is there a command for term or do i have to manually edit
[14:41] <tomreyn> elphias: i don't think noodlecan was talkig to you there.
[14:42] <noodlecan> lol, yeah i was replying back about dns resolution, netplan with systemd.
[14:42] <elphias> oh crap okies sorry
[14:43] <noodlecan> no worries.  i wanted to make sure i added what i did in case anyone else runs into the same issue.
[14:49] <elphias> i know that tomreyn, is busy now, can anyone else help me fix my upside down cam issue?
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> elphias: did you try other cam software yet?
[14:50] <elphias> no, i perfer to use what comes with ubuntu, if i start the cam with the changes tomreyn had me make via cli, it works fine
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> !info kamoso | elphias
[14:50] <elphias> once skype downloads i'll know if it's a system issue
[14:51] <elphias> lotuspsychje, i don't wanna install kde stuff on my ubuntu >.< i really don't like kde
[14:51] <elphias> i'd rather fix the issue not patch it with something else
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> elphias: the users choice, if you want to debug things, something you need to try things
[14:54] <elphias> i know, i just really really hate kde >.<
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> elphias: it wont install whole kde, and after testing you can purge packages..
[14:57] <elphias> well before i go installing kde stuffs, let me test skype first
[14:57] <elphias> see if the same issue is there, then i have 2 other video related issues to tinker with if i can get help
[15:04] <elphias> odd kamoso crashed, it won't start, something about a missing dependancy or something
[15:07] <SimonNL> elphias, is your upside down image solved ?
[15:08] <elphias> SimonNL, testing now
[15:11] <elphias> SimonNL, after installing kamoso my video simply don't work at all now v.v
[15:13] <SimonNL> remove it then I suggest
[15:13] <multifractal> I have a shared drive between ubuntu 18.04 and win10, containing my mp3 collection. But on win10 the folder only lists artists A-H, and the rest don't appear to be there. And on Ubuntu all the folders are present. What is causing this?
[15:16] <akemhp> Hey i wanna test my joystick with jstest, however when i plug it, i can't see the device correctly: i got this:  input: Microntek              USB Joystick           as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/0003:0079:0006.000F/input/input41
[15:17] <akemhp> I think i find out. However i run into another issue, now...
[15:18] <rud0lf> akemhp: unrelated advice: you can install qjoypad to emulate keystrokes for a joystick buttons, good for games not supporting joystick
[15:18] <akemhp> rud0lf, I see there is also joy2key.
[15:18] <akemhp> I'll install qjoypad, thanks for the info.
[15:19] <rud0lf> you're welcome
[15:19] <akemhp> Now the problem i run into: "jstest is not fully compatible with your kernel. Unable to retrieve button map!" ...
[15:19] <rud0lf> maybe you need sudo?
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> rud0lf akemhp there seems to be a snap version too
[15:19] <rud0lf> i guess you need that with raw input device access
[15:19] <akemhp> I recompiled a kernel recently because i need the new drivers for my Wifi.
[15:20] <akemhp> Yea i used: sudo jstest /dev/usb/hiddev0
[15:21] <akemhp> I'll see if i can compile jstest myself :/ maybe it will work with my kernel this way.
[15:22] <akemhp> I wonder if it's really hiddev0, because i also have an USB mouse in fact.
[15:22] <akemhp> I only have "hiddev0" in /dev/usb.
[15:23] <akemhp> In fact i must be trying with my mouse device, that's probably why it doesn't work.
[15:26] <akemhp> It works in fact i found the device was "/dev/input/by-id/usb-Microntek_USB_Joystick-joystick"
[15:27] <akemhp> But it's not displayed in dmesg when i plug my device, so i didn't know where to look, no need to recompile anything in fact. That's better :D
[15:28] <akemhp> Instead of that cryptic path /devices/pci000etc...
[15:28] <imi> hi. How do I choose an ubuntu compatible gaming machine? Can you recommend one?
[15:30] <akemhp> imi, You want to run Ubuntu only on that machine, or just as a secondary OS, and still play games on Windows on it?
[15:30] <akemhp> Dual boot i mean.
[15:30] <imi> dual boot
[15:31] <elphias> i removed that cam softwear for kde, my cam works again but it's still upside down, is there any fix for this?
[15:32] <imi> maybe even considering using Linux in a VM
[15:32] <akemhp> imi, If you run it in a VM only you can choose any brand it won't matter, only Windows support is needed.
[15:33] <imi> lol ok that would be the least favorable
[15:33] <akemhp> If i had to choose a gaming laptop for dual boot, i would probably look at HP gaming series because i had some good HPs/Ubuntu setups.
[15:34] <akemhp> But that's just me, i don't really know if the HP gaming are good or not, i just know they make some.
[15:34] <elphias_> well that sucked
[15:35]  * elphias_ sighs "i don't think i'll ever get my cam running right
[15:36] <akemhp> elphias_, I got upside/down screen issues, and sometimes just a reboot fixed the issue, but it would appear again sometimes for no reason.
[15:36] <compdoc> been a while, but Ive read about issues with the cam showing upside down in the past
[15:36] <akemhp> Maybe some memory configuration that would be reseted on reboot...
[15:36] <ioria> elphias_, don't you have a 'flip' option somewhere ?
[15:37] <elphias_> cheese does not have a flip option
[15:37] <eamonnmr> Hey so I just transferred my install to a new, larger HDD and I need to boot into a live USB to resize my boot partition (extended) to make new logical partitions to take advantage of the additional storage
[15:37] <elphias_> at least not one that i could find
[15:37] <eamonnmr> I heard that I could to the resize in gparted, which, ok, easy enough
[15:38] <ioria> !info  v4l2ucp
[15:38] <ioria> !info  v4l2ucp bionic
[15:38] <ioria> elphias_, sudo apt-get install v4l2ucp
[15:38] <eamonnmr> If I mess with the extended partition but leave the logical partition I'm booting from alone, will that still break GRUB, and if it does break GRUB, how do I fix it? (Is there a guide anywhere?)
[15:39] <elphias_> ioria, installed now what?
[15:40] <ioria> elphias_,  v4l2ucp
[15:40] <elphias_> OOOooo this looks promising
[15:59] <elphias> so i downloaded that video for linux thing for my cam, but no matter what setting i choose nothing works, does anyone know what the enviroment varibles and arguments are supposed to be so that the came flips right side up?
[16:05] <tomreyn> elphias: if you have a look at what's in your ~/.bash_aliases - this is a command that is executed when you login. what it does is that it redefines the "cheese" *shell* command (only, so it does not affect cheese started via the graphical desktop) to actually run this: export LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 && LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese
[16:05] <elphias> in v4l2ucp threres supposed to be an enviroment variable and an argument, does anyone know what they should be to work with cheese?
[16:07] <tomreyn> elphias: what the above does: "export LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2" sets the environment variable "LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS" to value "2"; and "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese" runs cheese with the environment variable "LD_PRELOAD" set to the value "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so"
[16:08] <tomreyn> the latter causes a video 4 linux (v4l) compatibility layer to be loaded whenever you run the cheese command this way
[16:09] <tomreyn> and this compatibilitxy layer interprets the "LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS" variable, if set, thus rotating the video
[16:09] <elphias> ok so let me try this tomreyn, brb
[16:11] <tomreyn> elphias: you can probably just run     rm ~/.bash_aliases     in a terminal to delete the ~/.bash_aliases file now so that these changes we made earlier no longer apply (and no double rotation takes place, putting you back to where you used to be). and then you can set LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 in v4l2ucp, logout, login again, and see whether it is fixed.
[16:12] <elphias> tomreyn, what should the value be in bash_aliases? i think i goofed somehow
[16:12] <elphias> because now the cam does not work at all
[16:12] <tomreyn> see what i just wrote
[16:13] <elphias> i had to relog to try and commit the changes, somehow i goofed, there was 2 lines in there and i deleted both and added what i thought you said the line should be
[16:15] <elphias> tomreyn, when i open up v4l2ucp and look in the preview settings this is what is under the enviroment section "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so"
[16:15] <elphias> somehow thats not right is it?
[16:15] <deadrom> hi
[16:16] <deadrom> Dell M4800 laptop, CPU fan annoyingly loud (3300rpm) with CPU near idle. 18.04LTS. what can I do here?
[16:18] <tomreyn> elphias: i don't know v4l2ucp and can't run it anywere currently, do you want to share a screenshot?
[16:20] <elphias> yes i will send you screenshots
[16:20] <elphias> give me a few
[16:20] <tomreyn> this is what you had in ~/.bash_aliases - one of these lines would be sufficient to run cheese with the roptation applied from a temrinal (only): https://termbin.com/zaze
[16:20] <tomreyn> but i think you should not use ~/.bash_aliases for this purpose but do it as ioria suggested, using v4l2ucp
[16:22] <tomreyn> elphias: it's ok, there are screenshots here http://screenshots.debian.net/package/v4l2ucp
[16:22] <tomreyn> horizontal flip is probably what you want
[16:24] <elphias> tomreyn, gonna upload images to shared dropbox, i think it will contain the info you "may?" need?
[16:25] <tomreyn> deadrom: firmware update first of all. then see if you can have the bios manage the fan better. if that's not an option look into fancontrol and other options for managing fan speed controlled by ubuntu.
[16:25] <tomreyn> elphias: not needed unless the looks changed compared what you see at the link i posted above
[16:26] <elphias> they have
[16:26] <elphias> it does not look anything like the images i've found online
[16:29] <elphias> tomreyn, https://www.dropbox.com/s/70yonuf9ou0erfw/Screenshot%20from%202020-01-05%200.zip?dl=0
[16:30] <elphias> i took a few screenshots and zipped em up for you
[16:30] <elphias> maybe you can make sense of what i am seeing
[16:31] <deadrom> tomreyn: there actually is a tool i8kutils described "fan control for Dell laptop". fans fell silent when I installed for a moment then spun up again. I guess the purged fancontrol is still in effect. "firwmare update" - you mean BIOS upgrade?
[16:35] <elphias> tomreyn, does any of that make sense to you?
[16:38] <deadrom> reboot
[16:38] <elphias_> tomreyn, sorry crashed, every since i installed that kde stuff my computer has been randomly freezing
[16:38] <elphias_> oi
[16:38] <elphias_> tomreyn, so any idea
[16:39] <tomreyn> elphias: yes, but do you read what i tell you?
 elphias: you can probably just run     rm ~/.bash_aliases     in a terminal to delete the ~/.bash_aliases file now so that these changes we made earlier no longer apply (and no double rotation takes place, putting you back to where you used to be). and then you can set LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 in v4l2ucp, logout, login again, and see whether it is fixed.
[16:39] <elphias_> i keep crashing i did not see it v.v, i am very sorry
[16:39] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[16:41] <wondows> I'm getting a black screen of death a few minutes after startup
[16:41] <wondows> it says /dev/sda2: clean, 663564/24420352 files, 21881004/97656320 blocks
[16:43] <elphias_> ok thank you, trying now
[16:45] <elphias> ok i must be dumb as a brick it's not working, gonna try one more thing and brb
[16:50] <elphias> tomreyn, i lost the darn enviroment varible, i forgot to save it, i want to try it one more time, and if that does not work then i want to try something else
[16:50] <elphias> i must be really dumb not to get this to work right
[16:57] <wondows> Sometimes I get this black screen of death with these messages https://i.imgur.com/LdzTRoL.jpg
[16:58] <SimonNL_Afk> elphias, click on defaults
[16:58] <jeremy31> wondows: post result from terminal for>  cat /proc/cmdline
[17:00] <wondows> jeremy31 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-37-generic root=UUID=68d30cb0-8348-4d2e-b5e0-839fed62eb8b ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[17:00] <jeremy31> wondows: my idea is shot down then
[17:01] <elphias> holy crap i got it!
[17:01] <elphias> the answer was waaaaay back in the logs, i wish i had known it was that easy
[17:01] <elphias> video fixed ^_^
[17:02] <elphias> thank you tomreyn, and all those who helped! *big hugs*
[17:03] <elphias> well it kinda works, testing something now
[17:06] <wondows> jeremy31 hm thanks
[17:07] <elphias> ok tomreyn when i run v4l2ucp with the settings i put in there, the image is now right side up, but if i click on cheese the image is upside down again.....did i do something wrong?
[17:07] <jeremy31> wondows: SSD?
[17:08]  * elphias grumbles
[17:09] <wondows> jeremy31 yes
[17:09] <wondows> could it be a hardware issue?
[17:09] <jeremy31> wondows: install gsmartcontrol and check wear levelling and SSD life left
[17:10] <jeremy31> wondows: I saw similar a year ago just before my SSD died
[17:10] <wondows> damn
[17:12] <elphias> tomreyn, check your im's
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> !pm | elphias
[17:12] <elphias> i'm trying to get help making my webcam right side up
[17:12] <elphias> and i don't want to paste some instructions and flood the chat
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> patience elphias
[17:13] <elphias> its just out of respect for everyone one else that is trying to get help here at the same time
[17:15] <elphias> well i'm kinda getting fuzzled here, i got video to work right in v4l2ucp once i got the right command in there, but when i click on the link in programs, it's still upside down, and because i deleted a file that was suggested now the cli cheese command won't work....just draws up cheese with a blank window v.v
[17:15] <elphias> and all i want is my darn video right side up lol
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> elphias: did someone already suggest installing guvcview ?
[17:16] <elphias> whats that?
[17:17] <elphias> not a kde app?
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> !info guvcview | elphias
[17:17] <elphias> ok cool, i hate installing kde stuffs on my system
[17:18] <elphias> though i'd rather get cheese working as it should
[17:18] <elphias> well that worked right off the bat O_o
[17:18] <elphias> why dosen't cheese? O_o there must be something i am doing wrong
[17:19] <elphias> well that worked, but now cheese is busted v.v
[17:19] <elphias> totally, no video at all v.v
[17:20] <elphias> i've been using ubuntu for almost 20 years and i've never had an issue like this
[17:20] <elphias> usually cheese just works
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> its not new elphias, see bug #224559
[17:21] <elphias> *reads*
[17:22] <elphias> and skype's video is still upside down, ontop of that this bug is well.....for kubuntu >.<
[17:23] <SimonNL_Afk> elphias, what happens when you click horizontal/vertical flip in v4l2ucp
[17:24] <elphias> SimonNL_Afk, it works as it should.
[17:24] <elphias> but if i type cheese in term, i get cheese but with a black screen where the video should be, skype also is upside down
[17:24] <SimonNL_Afk> elphias,       alias | nc termbin.com 9999       show appearing link please
[17:25] <elphias> SimonNL_Afk, https://termbin.com/pvqbd
[17:26] <elphias> usually i'm smarter than this v.v
[17:26] <SimonNL_Afk> I'm thinking  running cheese from cli might need that setting you had before
[17:27] <elphias> >.< then the other programs don't work
[17:27] <elphias> and i can't remember what the setting was
[17:28] <SimonNL_Afk> export LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=2 && LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese
[17:28] <SimonNL_Afk> run that from cli elphias
[17:29] <elphias> i did, errors and a blank cheese screen that says no device found
[17:29] <elphias> let me relog really quick
[17:29] <ioria> no device found is another story
[17:30] <SimonNL_Afk> or maybe  v4l2ucp still running       ??
[17:30] <deadrom> tomreyn: purge fancontrol in favour of i8ktools is the way to go. fans now work as intended
[17:31] <elphias> SimonNL_Afk, i don't know, some major help here would be more than appriciated, i keep getting errors in term something about null failed......but some serious help is needed
[17:31] <SimonNL> I wish I really would know any thing about this
[17:31] <ioria> elphias, why don't you another app instead of cheese ?
[17:31] <elphias> i have
[17:31] <elphias> 2 of them work
[17:31] <wondows> jeremy31 Test result: Completed without error.
[17:31] <deadrom> elphias: <command> | pastebinit  <- will upload output to pastebin and provide a link.
[17:31] <elphias> however video in skype is still upside down
[17:32] <ioria> elphias, so ? would be a cheese bug
[17:32] <ioria> ah
[17:32] <jeremy31> wondows: check attributes in gsmartcontrol
[17:32] <SimonNL> elphias, it definitely would help if you showed messages
[17:33] <wondows> jeremy31 all of them look normal, Failed: never
[17:34] <wondows> I ran the Extended Self-Test btw
[17:34] <SimonNL> elphias, run skype using  v4l2ucp
[17:34] <SimonNL> elphias, change cheese into skype
[17:34] <SimonNL> elphias, in configure preview
[17:35] <SimonNL> elphias, that's what v4l2ucp is meant for
[17:35] <jeremy31> wondows: what value for wear levelling or SSD life?
[17:35] <elphias> ok so whats the command i should put in for skype?
[17:35] <elphias> skype.so?
[17:35] <SimonNL> elphias, please
 elphias, change cheese into skype
 elphias, in configure preview
[17:36] <SimonNL> still freezing ?
[17:37] <elphias> not quite yet, so far no freeze, and i changed the preview to skype, and the image is still upside down
[17:37] <wondows> jeremy31 Media Wear Out Indicator (Raw Value): 5441
[17:37] <elphias> i'm really starting to hate my webcam v.v
[17:37] <SimonNL> elphias, well doesn't work then.   this is all I have
[17:38] <SimonNL> skype settings maybe elphias
[17:38] <elphias> checking
[17:39] <deadrom> elphias: all well but video in skype is 180°?
[17:39] <elphias> yup, completely flipped upside down
[17:39] <deadrom> elphias: only in skype or everywhere else, too?
[17:40] <elphias> i changed the preview in v4l2ucp to skype
[17:40] <elphias> still no good
[17:40] <elphias> well i got 2 apps working, the v4l and guvcview
[17:40] <elphias> everything else is upside down v.v
[17:41] <elphias> i feel like an idiot for not knowing how to do this v.v
[17:41] <deadrom> elphias: they show it right?
[17:41] <deadrom> v4l and gucview?
[17:41] <elphias> v4l2ucp
[17:41] <elphias> and gucview which seem to be camera adjusting applications
[17:42] <elphias> i also broke cheese at the command line as well v.v this is only about 20 minutes ago
[17:42] <deadrom> then it's a skype issue. surprise surprise, MS... which version of skype? from an ppa, website..?
[17:42] <elphias> something isn't right, either i made a mistake or i don't know
[17:42] <deadrom> I don't know cheese
[17:42] <elphias> i got it from snap
[17:43] <deadrom> skype version?
[17:43] <SimonNL> https://git.io/Jejki     elphias have a look
[17:44] <elphias> skype version
[17:44] <elphias> Skype version <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:44] <SimonNL> skype has a mirror H/V   setting !
[17:44] <elphias> it's every app but for the 2 i mentioned being upside down
[17:44] <elphias> where? O_o
[17:45] <deadrom> https://repo.skype.com/deb/pool/main/s/skypeforlinux/
[17:45] <deadrom> newer version
[17:48] <elphias> ok downloading now, still don't explain why every other app that uses my camera is upside down
[17:49] <elphias> there's gotta be some kinda decent fix, this is linux after all
[17:50] <elphias> again, thank you all for helping me, i know i am being a pain in the butt
[17:50] <jemark> elphias: did you see this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/796082/how-to-fix-inverted-laptop-webcam-video
[17:52] <elphias> checking it out right now
[17:52] <jemark> elphias: ok
[17:53] <elphias> whats frusterating me, is i know how to fix alot of things in ubuntu, but this is a totally new issue to me
[17:59] <elphias> *sighs*
[18:00] <Fordrdnk> anyone have info on surface pro pen and touch screen for Kubuntu?   i've done jakedays from github but no success
[18:00] <elphias> oh while i work on this, another problem i have is that cups takes 3 minutes to shut down at power off, any ideas?
[18:08] <elphias> oh, and my final question, is how do i make my laptop connect automatically at boot to a trusted bluetooth soundbar? i keep having to manual connect.
[18:18] <ameeno> Hello!!!!
[18:18] <ameeno> I am using Mate version, and hexchat is not an option under prefered applications for instant messanger
[18:28] <sixwheeledbeast> do you have it installed?
[18:30] <korabcenaj> Hello
[18:30] <korabcenaj> It's been a while that I'm trying to upgrade my version of Ubuntu but there is always the same problem.
[18:31] <korabcenaj> Can anyone tell me how can I copy paste the log of the problem so that you can read it clearly?
[18:31] <Doow> Not sure if this question fits best here or in #blender, but when I start blender sound and video playback stops all over my computer. As soon as I close blender the video playback starts again. (tried on ubuntu and kubuntu 19.04, blender 2.81 installed via snap)
[18:32] <tomreyn> elphias: i'm back for a while if you have unsolved questions,. please note i discard any private messages by default.
[18:32] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: where do yu see the log?
[18:33] <korabcenaj> It just pops a windows with the error
[18:33] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: do you mean what's logged in /var/log/release-upgrade ?
[18:34] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: if it's a graphical message that you're referring to then best take a screenshot and post it to imgur.com (and share the url here)
[18:34] <korabcenaj> tomreyn I'll do that. Just a sec
[18:35] <tomreyn> Doow: check    journalctl -f    for any related error messages while you start and stop blender.
[18:40] <korabcenaj> https://pastebin.com/raw/ZixDEckP
[18:40] <korabcenaj> tomreyn
[18:41] <korabcenaj> The graphical message is too long and can't get it all on screenshot'
[18:41] <Doow> tomreyn: good thinking, here's some relevant things https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZMrFSSF6Xt/
[18:44] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: this becomes a lot more readable like this:   curl -s https://pastebin.com/raw/ZixDEckP | sed -E 's/([EW]:)/\n\1/g'; echo
[18:45] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: these warnings tell you cleanrly what you need to do. for example, ":7" would be line seven of this file. you can edit these files using a text editor such as nano, and sudo.
[18:46] <SimonNL_Afk> quite messy
[18:46] <tomreyn> Doow: hmm, i'd say contact the snap maintainer, which https://snapcraft.io/blender states is "Blender Foundation"
[18:47] <tomreyn> actually "blenderfoundation"
[18:47] <korabcenaj> The thing is that I did that. So, first of all, I commented one of the lines which is configured multiple times and when I try to upgrade it, it shows me the same error. I tried also to delete one of the lines and still the same problem
[18:47] <korabcenaj> tomreyn
[18:47] <Doow> tomreyn: Ok, thanks
[18:48] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: please cancel the upgrade if it's currently pending for confirmation to start, then run this   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[18:48] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: this is just to get a better idea of what's wrong, it doesn't make changes
[18:49] <korabcenaj> tomreyn https://termbin.com/hhz1
[18:49] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: and this, too:   cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:50] <korabcenaj> tomreyn https://termbin.com/ljwm
[18:50] <tomreyn> huh, is this an arm64, an amd64, or an i386 system?
[18:52] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: nc termbin.com 9999 < <( dpkg --print-architecture; echo; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures;)
[18:53] <Doow> tomreyn: it definitely seems to be a problem with the snap, I don't get the same behaviour if I download directly from the website. (if someone else shows up with the same problem, it's an easy workaround =) )
[18:53] <korabcenaj> tomreyn https://termbin.com/jhfi
[18:55] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: do you know what cpu architectures are?
[18:55] <tomreyn> like amd64, i386, arm64 ?
[18:57] <korabcenaj> tomreyn Kind of. Like 32bit or 64 bit
[18:59] <tomreyn> yes, kind of. so you probably have am amd64 capable CPU there, those are usually compatible to i386, so it's okay to have those two architectures enabled. you have, however, also enabled the arm64 architecture, which your computer cannot actually make use of.
[18:59] <tomreyn> admitterdly amd64 and arm64 sound similar, but they are really very different.
[18:59] <tomreyn> you must have run "sudo dpkg-add-architecture arm64" at some point, do you remember why you did this?
[19:02] <elphias> ok, can someone help me fix my video cam? skype's upside down, and trying to run the command for cheese from terminal says it's not availible
[19:02] <elphias> i went and screwed around with things at peoples suggestions and now things are all sorts of screwed up
[19:03] <elphias> cheese is now telling me no device found
[19:03] <korabcenaj> tomreyn you know how is it with Ubuntu, you want to install something and you have to install other things before that also, so No, I don't remember actually. :/  But can I just uninstall it?
[19:03] <elphias> but thats only trying to run it via cli
[19:04] <elphias> i might have found a solution but it won't work unless i can fix this issue
[19:04] <ioria> elphias, i suggest to boot the livecd in order to rule out manual mistakes
[19:05] <elphias> well here's the pastebin of what i am trying to do
[19:05] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SJDfrkr9K3/
[19:06] <tomreyn> Doow: thanks for reporting back, and glad you found a workaround.
[19:06] <elphias> according to the howto i found, that command should fix my issue
[19:06] <elphias> but it says operation not permitted
[19:06] <ioria> elphias, v4l2-ctl --list-devices
[19:07] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: hmm i guess you can start with     dpkg -l *:arm64    to get an idea of what you installed
[19:07] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: to share it:    dpkg -l *:arm64 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:08] <elphias> ioria, USB 2.0 Camera: USB Camera (usb-0000:00:1a.0-1.2):
[19:08] <elphias> 	/dev/video0
[19:08] <elphias> 	/dev/video1
[19:08] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: to share it:    dpkg -l *:arm64 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:08] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: the latter is correct
[19:09] <korabcenaj> tomreyn https://termbin.com/12lj
[19:09] <korabcenaj> Btw, how can I tag you?
[19:09] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: you just did, justmention my nickname
[19:10] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: so you have none installe,d just remove the architecture then:  sudo dpkg --remove-architecture arm64
[19:12] <korabcenaj> tomreyn I just did it
[19:12] <korabcenaj> So, now should I try to upgrade it again?
[19:13] <elphias> ioria, any ideas how to fix this?
[19:13] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: not yet. first:   sudo sed -i '6,8d' /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:14] <korabcenaj> tomreyn Ok, what next?
[19:14] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: and then let's see this again:    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[19:14] <ioria> elphias, can you test this :  it will record a short video; wait 10 secs and kill it then : ffmpeg -f v4l2 -framerate 25 -video_size 640x480 -i /dev/video0 output.mkv
[19:14] <korabcenaj> tomreyn https://termbin.com/ql3p
[19:15] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: do you know what PPAs are?
[19:15] <tomreyn> !ppa | korabcenaj
[19:15] <elphias> ioriCannot open video device /dev/video0: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <elphias> )a, here's the output of cli (
[19:16] <elphias> Cannot open video device /dev/video0: Operation not permitted
[19:16] <ioria> somwthing wrong then
[19:16] <elphias> yes, i'm not sure what happend v.v
[19:16] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: you have 3 PPAs configured. PPAs and packages (and package versions) installed from there are not supported by ubuntu, can cause upgrades to break. I suggest you use ppa-purge to remove those PPAs.
[19:16] <elphias> or how to fix it, i recieved help from a few people and something went wonky
[19:16] <tomreyn> oh
[19:16] <ioria> elphias, stat /dev/video0
[19:18] <elphias> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F84ZnTQH3c/
[19:18] <elphias> it would seem that somehow root got ahold of things, i don't remember doing that
[19:18] <ioria> 0777 ?
[19:19] <elphias> is there a way to change it to my user?
[19:19] <elphias> this may be the kink in my issue
[19:19] <korabcenaj> tomreyn My internet got disconnected. :/
[19:19] <ioria> elphias, have you changed the permissions ?
[19:19] <elphias> not that i am aware of
[19:19] <elphias> i'm not even sure how to do that O_o
[19:19] <korabcenaj> yes, I know. I understand, not fully but I just know that we need them to install programs
[19:20] <elphias> is there a way to correct this?
[19:20] <ioria> elphias, /dev/video0 should be 0660 not 0777
[19:20] <elphias> strange
[19:21] <ioria> elphias, again i suggest to quickly test from livecd
[19:23] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: you have 3 PPAs configured. PPAs and packages (and package versions) installed from there are not supported by ubuntu, can cause upgrades to break. I suggest you use ppa-purge to remove those PPAs.
[19:23] <tomreyn> !ppa > korabcenaj
[19:24] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge > korabcenaj
[19:24] <korabcenaj> tomreyn but what !ppa-s? Should I specify something?
[19:25] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: https://termbin.com/ql3p lists the following PPAs: http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu http://ppa.launchpad.net/linuxuprising/java/ubuntu http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu
[19:27] <elphias> ioria, how do i use the live usb to fix this issue? are there commands you can give to me?
[19:27] <elphias> or is it self fixing
[19:27] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: i just realized we need to also undo the sources.list changes the upgrades seems to have already applied to your system. you need to do this before you remove the PPAs.
[19:28] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: sudo sed -i 's/eoan/disco/gi' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[19:28] <ioria> elphias, just boot the livec and run the ffmpeg cmd or start guvcview or cheese (this one might have a bug)
[19:29] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: once this is done, run this again:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[19:29] <korabcenaj> https://termbin.com/7ud0
[19:29] <korabcenaj> tomreyn'
[19:29] <korabcenaj> tomreyn
[19:31] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: now use ppa-purge
[19:32] <korabcenaj> tomreyn only ppa-purge ?
[19:33] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: i'll tell you shortly. do you have a very current nvidia graphics card?
[19:33] <korabcenaj> Yes, GTX 1050.
[19:34] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: okaythen leave the graphics-drievrs PPA installed for now, and just do:    sudo ppa-purge ppa:linuxuprising/java; sudo ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/java
[19:34] <korabcenaj> tomreyn sudo: ppa-purge: command not found
[19:34] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: once that's done, install all the pending updates:   sudo apt update && sudo apt -V full-upgrade
[19:35] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: you need to install ppa-purge first
[19:35] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: usdo apt install ppa-purge
[19:35] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: sudo apt install ppa-purge
[19:35] <korabcenaj> tomreyn Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree       Reading state information... DoneE: Unable to locate package ppa-purge
[19:37] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: sudo apt-add-repository universe
[19:38] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: after adding the universe repository, install ppa-purge, then run the ppa-purge commands provided above.
[19:38] <tomreyn> and finally do the apt full-upgrade as provided above
[19:39] <tomreyn> i'll be back in 5 minutes
[19:39] <korabcenaj> tomreyn sudo ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/javaUpdating packages listsPPA to be removed: webupd8team javaWarning:  Could not find package list for PPA: webupd8team java
[19:40] <korabcenaj> Okay. THank you so much man. You were great. :D  I have to go now. I'll try to manage by myself from now on.
[19:44] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: be careful with commands from some third party websites, be sure oyu know what they do
[19:44] <tomreyn> !man | korabcenaj
[19:45] <tomreyn> korabcenaj: your systemwas in a rather bad state there, and you still have a lot of pending updates now, and more cleanup may be needed before an upgrade can work without braking
[19:48] <bougyman> what happened to apt-file ?
[19:48] <bougyman> did anything replace it? working on my first 19.10 box and it's unavailable
[19:49] <bougyman> oh, now it's here. weird.
[19:51] <tomreyn> maybe it's a quantum computer?
[20:44] <smalltalk> hey guys I recently installed ubuntu 19.10 on a new dell inspiron 7580 (128gb ssd and 1tb hd) and it went without errors, but every now and then writing to the disk stops working and reboots to initramfs, where I run fsck and it fixes some badblocks and everything is fine for a while, until it happens again... anyone has any suggestions?
[20:45] <sixwheeledbeast> failing disk?
[20:45] <smalltalk> sixwheeledbeast: should I contact dell?
[20:46] <sixwheeledbeast> how new is it?
[20:50] <cuddylier> I have a Ubuntu 16.04 server running QEMU that has HTTP downloads limited to only 12.5 - 15MB/s for no obvious reason. Outbound HTTP works full speed as well as other protocols. Any ideas?
[20:50] <cuddylier> No iptables rules, confirmed for definite.
[20:57] <zmagii> sup
[20:57] <zmagii> how do you set night mode in ubuntu
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> zmagii, There are a few version of Ubuntu supported at any time. Please provide more details about which version of Ubuntu you are running (keeping in mind it is important to include the full version number YY.MM)
[21:07] <tomreyn> cuddylier: could be a 100 mbps interface, or a link operating at this speed.
[21:08] <cuddylier> tomreyn: Link is definitely gigabit, speedtest cli shows gigabit speeds and outbound HTTP works up to gigabit speeds too, matching the port speed of gigabit.
[21:08] <cuddylier> I booted the server into rescue cd and it gets full inbound HTTP speeds so it's just an issue with the Ubuntu install.
[21:09] <tomreyn> cuddylier: so you tested this between the vm and a remote system?
[21:09] <cuddylier> I'm testing on the host system itself which has the issue
[21:09] <cuddylier> Tested pulling from both remote systems and systems within the same network.
[21:09] <cuddylier> All are restricted to 12.5 - 15MB/s inbound speed
[21:11] <Fevix> My laptop has a physical "Help" key. HOw do I turn this off so Ubuntu stops opening help? I already have the shortcut key disabled in Settings.
[21:11] <compdoc> cuddylier, dont use virtio nics or storage
[21:11] <tomreyn> so inbound http to the ubuntu 16.04 system is a problem, but not inbound http to an alternative OS installation running on the same hardware, did i get this right?
[21:12] <cuddylier> Correct
[21:12] <tomreyn> cuddylier: did you try a different protocol, did you try iperf?
[21:12] <cuddylier> compdoc: as in do or don't? I've always experienced virtio has much better than the alternatives but regardless, this testing isn't even inside a VM anyway. Inside the VMs also see the same speeds the host sees.
[21:12] <cuddylier> Yeah, other protocols work fine, speedtest cli does, I haven't tested iperf yet but I can.
[21:13] <compdoc> cuddylier, they will cause weird problems, like suddenly going very slow.
[21:13] <cuddylier> compdoc: Just on ubuntu I take it?
[21:14] <tomreyn> maybe try iperf with different ports, maybe try the latest 16.04 and 18.04 live isos
[21:14] <compdoc> thats all I use to run VMs, but its possible on other distros
[21:14] <tomreyn> (to rule out your own customizations as a source of the problem)
[21:15] <Fevix> My laptop has a physical "Help" key. How do I turn this off so Ubuntu stops opening help when I fatfinger that key? I already have the shortcut disabled in Settings. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/hQkTOnV.png
[21:29] <tomreyn> Fevix: use xev to identify the scancode, then look into how to disable it - i don't know how to do this part.
[21:49] <Fevix> tomreyn: I don't know how to interpret this. This was me pressing w, then the help key. There's no keypress event like there is with w.
[21:49] <Fevix> https://i.imgur.com/FWxxgrk.png
[22:19] <Fevix> My laptop has a physical "Help" key. How do I turn this off so Ubuntu stops opening help when I fatfinger that key? I already have the shortcut disabled in Settings. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/hQkTOnV.png Here's a xev of me pressing w, then the key in question: https://i.imgur.com/FWxxgrk.png
[22:26] <cuddylier> Anyone know any good iperf3 US servers? I can only find two on the whole internet and only one works (HE.net's but they only have one port open so it's always unavailable)
[22:39] <FaTaL_G> Im stuck..... when I try apt autoremove, it tells me its going to get rid of: linux-image-4.15.0-72-generic linux-image-5.0.0-36-generic
[22:39] <FaTaL_G> when it tries to follow throught, it exits with error exit status 1
[22:40] <FaTaL_G> it looks like: [Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) /usr/sbin/update-grub-legacy-ec2: line 1101: read: read error: 0: Bad file descriptor]
[22:40] <Chieta> How to disabled mok... It's new for me
[22:40] <FaTaL_G> but, I dont have grub, I have grub2
[22:40] <Ben64> FaTaL_G: uh, what os and version
[22:41] <FaTaL_G> I am on 18.04, (used to be 16.04)
[22:41] <FaTaL_G> ubuntu
[22:44] <Fevix> My laptop has a physical "Help" key. How do I turn this off so Ubuntu stops opening help when I fatfinger that key? I already have the shortcut disabled in Settings. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/hQkTOnV.png Here's a xev of me pressing w, then the key in question: https://i.imgur.com/FWxxgrk.png
[22:45] <leftyfb> Fevix: maybe it's something you can disable in the BIOS?
[23:00] <FaTaL_G> ben64, any idea ... ?
[23:05] <tomreyn> cuddylier: ask in ##networking
[23:09] <FaTaL_G> I tried boot repair, that didn't do the trick
[23:09] <FaTaL_G> its like the system thinks I have grub and grub2
[23:16] <akira893> hello.
[23:16] <akira893> trying to run a windows virtual machine under ubuntu to run 3dsmax
[23:16] <akira893> i have a 17gb windows 7 vm file
[23:16] <akira893> using virtual box...
[23:21] <tomreyn> akira893: and your ubuntu question is?
[23:21] <tomreyn> 3dsmax probably needs 3d acceleration, right? this might be a problem.#
[23:43] <yotux> Looking for some suggestions on a graphics card for linux


[18:58] <sarnold> I warned zeroadrenaline a few days ago, next instance of it feels like it's fair to ban
[21:42] <el> what the actual...
[21:43] <Unit193> hur dur Chinese bad?
[21:45] <el> at least they didn't invite them to the _other_ place.
[21:46] <Unit193> I'm trying the "presume he's really lost, then ban him" approach, as per my usual. :3
[21:50] <el> yeah
[21:51] <el> but by taking the fun out of it for the troll you're taking the fun out of it for the reporter too!
[21:52] <Unit193> Well I suspect he'll wait until he thinks I'm gone, then keep trying with his "jokes".
[21:58] <el> yeah
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> Let's not forget about lefty being the topic cop once again.
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> aka less-than-helpful-lefty.
[23:32] <Unit193> Doesn't mean he's always wrong, though. :P
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> No, but before dismissing outright, he could've investigated the heart of the matter as you did.
[23:33] <Unit193> Oh he *never* does that. :)
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.