[00:00] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so.. its building on lucid without any problems...
[00:04] <shadeslayer> heh... if i change build dep to Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.3), cmake, libqt4-dev, quilt (>= 0.46-7~), libqjson-dev, pkg-config
[00:04] <shadeslayer> it works :D
[00:04] <shadeslayer> so actually adding the build dep fixes it :P
[00:06] <shadeslayer> lex79: libdbusmenu-qt backported :)
[00:06] <lex79> kk
[00:30] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: heh.. kmail fetches mail only till March :P
[00:30] <shadeslayer_> oh wait there it is
[00:48] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136470 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h workeracquire.cpp workeracquire.h) Make the question framework more extensible/less WorkerAcquire-specific.
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> Is it bad to feel smug about people in #ubuntu+1 having CSD-related crashes?
[00:50] <rww> hehehe
[00:52] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Robert. :)
[00:55] <rww> hey :)
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> How are things in NorCal?
[00:57] <rww> DarkwingDuck: they're going well. How are you settling in?
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> rww: Slowly. I'm getting a med discharge from the Navy so, I'm on the job hunt now.
[01:13] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136475 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h workeracquire.cpp) If the APT configuration allows the installation of untrusted packages, ask if the user really wants to install the untrusted packages
[01:24] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136476 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs) Make the question Backend/DBus API more consistent with the existing API
[02:20] <DarthFrog> Hmm,clicking on  the new Clipboard icon doesn't do anything.  Left click, right click, no response.
[03:06] <DarthFrog> Holy smokes, Amarok sure crashes a lot with the new KDE.
[03:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna, ScottK, Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/alessandro-ghersi/KubuntuDeveloperApplication
[03:10] <lex79> no rush...I have time :)
[03:10] <lex79> thank you
[03:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[03:22] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Genesis" by Pendulum 4 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[03:23] <ScottK> lex79: That reminds me: I notice symbol files for -workspace still need updating.
[03:25] <lex79> eh I know... :(
[03:26] <ScottK> lex79: Also most kinfocenter files aren't getting installed in the binary.  I can't figure that one out.
[03:26] <lex79> Thanks ScottK, workspace is a big package now
[03:26] <ScottK> No kidding.
[03:27] <ScottK> I've got a few plasma-netbook/desktop fixes to push.
[03:27] <jjesse-netbook> ScottK: just updated to the new KDE beta and have some issues on my netbook if that is what you are talking about
[03:28] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook: Probably not.
[03:28] <jjesse-netbook> hrmm ok
[03:28] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136487 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h worker/worker.cpp) Fix up signals and slots
[03:30] <jjesse-netbook> on my dell mini when i mouse up to the system tray that is hidden i get a white background
[03:30] <ScottK> I had something like that with 4.4.80, but it eventually went away
[03:30] <ScottK> Dunno what caused it.
[03:30] <jjesse-netbook> hrmm ok
[03:32] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136489 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (qaptbatch.cpp qaptbatch.h) Implement a questionOccurred() function, and show a question when worker asks about untrusted packages
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopta1525-jpg.jpg choice++
[03:34] <maco> JontheEchidna: nixternal figured out what i was doing wrong. needed to use KGlobal.locale().language() within the main class and then pass its return value to whatever other functions need it
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> a bit fiddly
[03:39]  * JontheEchidna blames python
[03:45] <nigelb> Hola folks.  We're having an ubuntu user day next month, I was wondering if anyone here would like to talk about Desktop environments, specifically KDE and XFCE, would be great. Any takers?
[03:47] <nigelb> DarkwingDuck, nixternal: ^ ?
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> nigelb: Would love to.
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know much about anything other then KDE
[03:47] <nigelb> DarkwingDuck: *hugs* I'll put you down for it
[03:48] <nigelb> Also, talk about all DE's and how they differ etc
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> nigelb: email me the details<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:48] <nigelb> you *can* talk of how awesome kubuntu is, I don't mind :)
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> I'll do the research
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> I would be honored :)
[03:48] <maco> suggestion: DarkwingDuck pairs up with a xubuntu persosn
[03:48] <maco> *person
[03:48] <nigelb> DarkwingDuck: here's the details of user days in general https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/CourseSuggestions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/lucid
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> maco: have any in mind?
[03:49] <nigelb> DarkwingDuck: if you can find somoen to pair up from xubuntu that would be great
[03:49] <maco> /j #xubuntu-devel and look around?
[03:49] <nigelb> maco: charlie-tca?
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> Wife uses Ubuntu so I'm good for Gnome and KDE
[03:49] <maco> DarkwingDuck: your assimilation attempts failed?
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> I know pleia2 is a xubuntu user
[03:50] <maco> ooh yeah
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> maco: I was lucky enough to break her from windows
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> I'll talk to her. She would love to do it. I've worked with her int eh Cali loco
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> *in the
[03:50] <nigelb> \o/
[03:51] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136491 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Since answering "No" to the InstallUntrusted warning is an unusual pseudo-error, we need to close the dialog after we've responded to the worker.
[04:15] <ScottK> Riddell and lex79: I pushed my workspace changes to bzr.  I'm not sure what's up with kinfocenter and the symbol files still need fixing, but I think the plasma-desktop/netbook changes needed for the javascript config stuff to work are done.
[05:18] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136505 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workerinstallprogress.cpp Separate the failed item string and the error text string, as one would expect.
[05:19] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136506 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Improve the presentation of commit errors.
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> Tonight's conquests: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopcj1525-jpg.jpg , http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopta1525-jpg.jpg
[05:22]  * JontheEchidna snoozes
[05:54] <sushilcha> i was testing new kde 4.5 beta2 and can't seem to have blur effect.. in intel 945GM
[05:55] <sushilcha> is it not supported yet in intel 945 cards?
[06:01] <nixternal> CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:03] <valorie> good lord, Americans win the Stanley Cup?
[06:03] <nixternal> shush
[06:03] <valorie> what is going on with the Canadians
[06:03] <valorie> lol
[06:03] <nixternal> an american team with about 3 american players :D
[06:03] <valorie> yeah, I was gonna say
[06:03] <nixternal> the rest are from canada pretty much
[06:03] <valorie> I bet most are Canucks
[06:03] <nixternal> one from slovakia, one from sweden
[06:03] <nixternal> maybe 2 from slovakia actually
[06:04] <valorie> wow
[06:04] <valorie> I guess that isn't too surprising
[06:04] <valorie> considering Olympic hockey
[06:04] <nixternal> yeah, never thought i would say this, but there are some smart canucks...to bad they are all here in Chicago :p
[06:04] <valorie> lol
[06:04] <valorie> I used to go to Totems games, in Seattle
[06:04] <valorie> minor league
[06:05] <valorie> almost all Canadian players
[06:05] <valorie> plus a few Minnesotans or whatever
[06:05] <nixternal> though, our american super star, patrick kane, won the game
[06:05] <nixternal> yeah, our big guy buff is from minnesota
[06:05] <valorie> nice!
[06:06] <valorie> most kids don't grow up playing in Seattle
[06:06] <nixternal> though he learned to play hockey in chicago so he didn't get involved in gang life there...weird, and actually sounds quite backwards to me, but oh well, he rocks now!
[06:06] <valorie> the lakes and even ponds rarely freeze
[06:06] <nixternal> yeah, we were frozen all winter here in chicago...we froze early and thawed late
[06:06] <nixternal> and now it is freakin' hot!
[06:07] <valorie> still like early spring here
[06:07] <valorie> a thunderstorm and rain today
[06:08] <nixternal> today was hot and windy, tomorrow cool and windy, then friday and saturday, hot and watch out for that storm!
[06:08] <valorie> it's Chicago, you don't have to repeat the windy part
[06:08] <valorie> lol
[06:08] <nixternal> true
[06:08] <nixternal> though this year has been really windy compared to previous years
[06:09] <nixternal> heck, we had tornadoes close again this past week
[06:10] <valorie> we actually have had a couple of funnel clouds in Washington in the last month
[06:10] <valorie> weird, because it has not yet been hot
[06:10] <valorie> or even hardly WARM
[06:12] <valorie> I'm hoping it warms up by father's day
[06:12] <valorie> we have gone to beer fest that day ever since the kids were legal
[06:12] <valorie> but it isn't much fun in the cold and wind
[06:12] <nixternal> mmmm beer fest
[06:12] <nixternal> that is one thing we need here in chicago, a beer fest
[06:12] <valorie> some of the most delicious brews around here
[06:13] <nixternal> we have 2 great brews here in chicago...goose island and two brothers...or a midwest beer fest, then bells and greak lakes could join in on the goodness
[06:13] <valorie> http://www.washingtonbeer.com/wabf.htm
[06:13] <nixternal> Nearly 200 beers on tap
[06:13] <nixternal> FOR
[06:13] <valorie> my middle son brews some tasty beer too
[06:13] <nixternal> THE
[06:14] <nixternal> WIN
[06:14] <nixternal> there is a bar here we go to...they have over 1,000 different american microbrewed beers bottled, and have like damn near 300 beers on tap
[06:15] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, if you watch the partying going on in chicago right now, where the huge crowd is, they are standing in front of that place :)
[06:15] <valorie> it's just cool to wander around, and taste whatever you want
[06:16] <valorie> compare notes with perfect strangers, and those you come with
[06:16] <valorie> etc.
[06:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I was going to fix 559154 in kubuntu-firefox-installer, but your switching of a native package to 3.0 (quilt) format has me seriously confused.  AFAICT this should be native and so WTF on patches in a native package?
[06:36]  * ScottK gives up.
[07:02] <sushilcha> anybody successful with blur effect in intel 945?
[07:39] <Lynoure> Hi, my screenlock only works once per boot, and jussi guided me to ask here.
[07:40] <Lynoure> I've tried with    qdbus  org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock
[07:40] <Lynoure> and that result to    Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.LimitsExceeded
[07:40] <Lynoure> The destination service "org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver" has a full message queue
[07:46] <valorie> Lynoure: I don't know, but I think you'll help yourself out if you also state what you are using
[07:47] <valorie> lucid, maverick, what?
[08:06] <Lynoure> valorie: lucid
[08:07] <Lynoure> a very new install, and this has happened to me since day one
[08:07] <valorie> I think most everyone is sleeping right now
[08:07] <valorie> so you'll need to idle for awhile
[08:08] <valorie> probably
[08:09] <Lynoure> No hurry. Today I'll install another Lucid (upgraded before, does not have this problem, but some other issues), if it has this too, then I have a problem. =)
[08:09] <valorie> a fresh install is a good idea
[08:09] <valorie> Lucid was LTS, a major, stable release
[08:10] <valorie> good idea to use a fresh install rather than an upgrade
[08:12] <e-jat> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[08:12] <e-jat>   kdebase-plasma kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdepimlibs-data kubuntu-dev-tools libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libmarble4 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4
[08:12] <e-jat>   libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4
[08:12] <e-jat> is the package doesnt need anymore?
[08:16] <valorie> e-jat: what are you trying to do?
[08:17] <e-jat> dist-upgrade ..
[08:17] <e-jat> or there is a package still under build ?
[08:17] <valorie> well, I would assume then, that those packages will be replaced by new ones
[08:18] <valorie> dist-upgrade from what to what?
[08:19] <e-jat> 4.4.4 to 4.4.85
[08:19] <valorie> you mean a KDE upgrade?
[08:19] <e-jat> valorie: yups
[08:20] <valorie> if so, that isn't a dist-upgrade, I don't think
[08:20] <valorie> dist-upgrade is going from jaunty to lucid
[08:20] <valorie> or lucid to maverick
[08:21] <e-jat> but is the list is the package which doesnt use in 4.4.85 ? or maybe i should give some time to wait then see how ..
[08:21] <e-jat> valorie: owh ok .. maybe im wrongly use the term ..
[08:21] <jussi> e-jat: that list looks fine to me - there were some packages that were removed and not used anymore
[08:22] <e-jat> jussi: thanks for the confirmation ..
[08:22] <valorie> now I see what you are talking about, e-jat
[08:22] <jussi> valorie: likely he is terming it dist-upgrade because ot the command:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:22] <valorie> there are lots of updates tonight
[08:22] <e-jat> +1 to jussi .. :)
[08:23] <e-jat> so what is the best/suite term/word for that ? :)
[08:23] <valorie> yes, I guess I have used that when not actually making a dist-upgrade
[08:23] <valorie> since it does bring you completely up to date
[08:24] <jussi> valorie: I always use that.
[08:24] <valorie> I usually use synaptic
[08:25] <valorie> I tend to use apt-get for one off packages I want
[08:26] <valorie> synaptic is ugly, clunky, but simple to use
[08:26] <valorie> and it's rarely messed up stuff
[08:48] <valorie> ugh, E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.85-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libksignalplotter.so', which is also in package libksignalplotter4 4
[08:49] <valorie> so it didn't do the upgrade
[08:57]  * e-jat thumb up to kubuntu ninja n developer for 4.4.85
[09:03] <jussi> valorie: please report a bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[09:03] <jussi> (so lex79 sees it :D )
[09:03] <valorie> seems that apt-get is doing a better job than synaptic
[09:06] <e-jat> :)
[09:12] <valorie> any funky details lex79 will need?
[09:12] <valorie> I'm used to filing bugs at b.k.o
[09:12] <valorie> not often in launchpad
[09:15] <jussi> valorie: just the error message I guess, and what you did to generate it. (as well as the normal stuff listed on LP there).
[09:15] <valorie> done
[09:16] <valorie> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/592062
[09:18] <jussi> morning a|wen
[09:18] <a|wen> morning jussi
[09:19]  * a|wen is taking a stab at testing proposed packages this morning
[09:36] <valorie> hmmm, dunno about this kde upgrade
[09:36] <valorie> my widgets disappeared, and don't seem to want to be re-added
[09:44] <ghostcube> apt will always do the better job than synaptic :D
[09:48] <valorie> in this case, certainly
[09:53] <Mamarok> WOW! Guys, that card is awesome! Thank you very, very much!
[09:54] <Mamarok> Riddell, jussi, nixternal, seele, claydoh, maco, Tm_T, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, ScottK, lex79, agateau
[09:54] <Mamarok> I'm almost crying now :)
[09:54] <agateau> Mamarok: :)
[09:58] <Lynoure> Mamarok: what card?
[09:58] <Mamarok> Lynoure: I got a Birthday and Get well card from the Kubuntu team :)
[09:58] <Lynoure> :)
[10:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: German postal system not all it's reported to be if it didn't get to you for your birthday then :)
[10:17] <apachelogger> swisss :P
[10:17]  * apachelogger huggles Mamarok
[10:19] <Riddell> Lynoure: I'm afraid I haven't heard of that problem with the screensaver locking
[10:19] <valorie> Lynoure: did you end up doing a fresh install?
[10:22] <Riddell> hmm and my own computer is too broken to investigate currently
[10:27] <mfraz74> Has the sys tray menu problem been fixed?
[10:31]  * jussi huggles Mamarok
[10:36] <jussi> oh btw, Im guessing we need to collect testimonials for the KC? if so, peoples can write on my wiki if they wish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JussiSchultink
[10:38] <Riddell> it'll be a vote of kubuntu-members so you can do whatever you want to try and impress the voters
[10:39] <Riddell> mfraz74: dunno check for new libdbusmenu
[10:39] <jussi> ahhh right. well Im still open to testimonials on there if peoples want to write something. :)
[10:40] <mfraz74> riddell: I'm sure i downloaded a new libdbusmenu this morning
[10:40] <Riddell> Lynoure: google doesn't seem to know anything about your problem either :(
[10:41] <Riddell> Lynoure: I guess something is blocking and that stops it being called a second time, it would probably take some poking with gdb to find out where
[10:42] <Lynoure> Riddell: yup, I would not be here if it had.
[10:43] <Riddell> Lynoure: I'm afraid I can only suggest to pass you on, I think chani is the upstream kscreensaver maintainer she's usually pingable on IRC, she'll probably ask you to install KDE SC 4.5 beta 2 and see if it's still an issue there
[10:45] <Lynoure> Riddell: I think I'll do that if I have the problem on the second computer too, as this one will only see use maybe 3 months from now (fought with this all of this week, now changing offices for some months)
[10:45] <Lynoure> Riddell: Thank you for the info, though.
[10:55] <Riddell> Lynoure: are you coming to Akademy?
[10:57] <Riddell>   libkdewebkit5: Depends: libqt4-webkit (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1+git20100522) but 4:4.7~beta1+git20100522-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[10:57] <Riddell> huh?
[10:58] <jussi> o.O
[11:00] <jussi> curious. machine here is very slow grapically - desktop effects seem to be a bit strange. perhaps an issue with the ati driver :(
[11:01] <kb9vqf> which ATI driver version?
[11:01] <kb9vqf> 10.4?
[11:02] <jussi> kb9vqf: whatever the standard fglrx is in 10.04
[11:03] <kb9vqf> IIRC that is 10.4; my ATI card was very slow on any 2D painting operations with that version
[11:03]  * kb9vqf dislikes ATI sometimes
[11:04] <mfraz74> things seem to be slow here with nvidia drivers, i've had a couple of popups saying compositing has been disabled
[11:08] <jussi> kb9vqf: so you are suggesting get a later version from ati? or?
[11:09]  * jussi wonders if the radeonhd is compatible with his card
[11:09] <jussi> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series]
[11:09] <kb9vqf> jussi: With ATI, later is usually better.
[11:09] <kb9vqf> But installing it under Ubuntu can be a pain
[11:09] <jussi> :(
[11:10] <jussi> I wish they had a ppa...
[11:12] <jussi> hrr and Ive gone and lost the whole plasma config now :( not getting anywidgets by default :(
[11:16] <jussi> you know, this was an upgrade system. I think I might just start again...
[11:24] <mfraz74> Sys tray menus are now working
[11:25] <mfraz74> I've noticed that when I reboot Desktop view is enabled even though I've set it to Folder view and my wallpaper settings aren't saved
[11:28] <mfraz74> in plasma-desktop-appletsrc there are 76 contaiments with 8 of them changing my wallpaper.
[11:30] <mfraz74> can i safely remove/rename plasma-deskop-appletsrc to get the system to rebuild it?
[11:35] <mfraz74> something odd is happening to kopete's sys tray menu. it flickers when I bring it up and if i access any sub menu that menu stays up when i click away from the menu
[11:36] <shadeslayer> my hard disk finally arrived whee :D
[11:37] <jussi> shadeslayer: heya, valorie reported a bug against the beta2 packaging just befre, you might want to take a look at it.
[11:38] <jussi> shadeslayer: bug 592062
[11:38] <shadeslayer> jussi: sure thing
[11:38] <jussi> shadeslayer: I had the same issue also on this machine here.
[11:38] <koso_> mfraz: when you log off, config file will be probably recreated .. so if you want default config, you have to rename after logout (from console), or rename it and "crash" session
[11:38] <shadeslayer> jussi: well that is weird since the upgrades happened smoothly for everyone through apt-get
[11:39] <jussi> shadeslayer: it came for me through apt-get
[11:39] <jussi> but same error
[11:39] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[11:40] <shadeslayer> jussi: did it give a overwrite error with apt-get?
[11:40] <jussi> yes
[11:40] <shadeslayer> and i think kdebase-workspace got a rebuild
[11:40] <jussi> I just sudo dpkg -i --force-all'ed it and it was fine
[11:41] <shadeslayer> nope.. doesnt seem to have gotten a rebuild
[11:42] <mfraz74> koso_: thanks
[11:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: btw can you confirm that the new libdbusmenu-qt makes the systray work fine? right click and all
[11:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: no, but mfraz74 can
[11:43] <jussi> I have no plasma atm
[11:43] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[11:43] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: ^^
[11:43] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: it works better apart from the odd effects with kopete
[11:43] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: ok cool,at least it works now :P
[11:44] <mfraz74> can someone else confirm the problems i'm having with kopete's menu?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: whats the issue?
[11:45] <koso_> if is here someone using plasma-widget-adjustableclock ... are your configuration settings saved after hiting "OK"?
[11:45] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: it flickers when the menu comes up and if I go into another menu say 'set status' and click somewhere else to clear the menu, set status says up
[11:46] <shadeslayer> no idea :P
[11:47] <shadeslayer> ok ive gtg exam in less than 24 hours :D
[11:47] <shadeslayer> jussi: can you inform lex about the same bug as well?
[11:47] <Riddell> good luck shadeslayer
[11:47] <shadeslayer> since he packaged kdebase-workspace :)
[11:47] <koso_>  same problem with kopete menu .. after about 20 flashes, it stops and menu is usable :D
[11:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :D
[12:09] <ghostcube> Mamarok: birthday today :O
[12:38] <Mamarok> ghostcube: no, it was on Tuesday :)
[12:39] <ghostcube> hmm, happy birthday :)
[12:39] <ghostcube> even if its too late now :)
[12:47] <Mamarok> ghostcube: thank you :)
[12:47] <ghostcube> :)
[12:48] <seaLne> did anyone else have problems in lucid with upgrade to beta2? i had to manually install odbcinst to get libvirtodbc0 postinst to work
[12:49] <Mamarok> nope, works fine here, out of the box
[12:49] <seaLne> Setting up libvirtodbc0 (6.1.0-0ubuntu3) ...
[12:49] <seaLne> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvirtodbc0.postinst: 36: odbcinst: not found
[12:51] <Mamarok> seems odbcinst was already installed for me
[12:51] <lex79> morning :)
[12:54] <mfraz74> afternoon
[12:54] <lex79> :)
[12:55] <seaLne> Mamarok: kontact working for you?
[12:56] <Mamarok> seaLne: yes, out of the box
[12:56] <seaLne> kontact: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:57] <Mamarok> strange
[12:57] <Mamarok> really works fine here
[12:57] <mfraz74> kontact didn't work for me, but then some missing libraries were added to the PPA
[12:58] <mfraz74> works fine now though
[12:58] <Mamarok> the only thing I changed is removing the ugly monochrome systray icons, else it's what came with the downloads yesterday
[12:58] <lex79> I fixed the kontact/kmail bug yesterday in kdepimlibs ~ppa3
[12:58] <mfraz74> mamarok: how did you do that?
[12:58] <seaLne> mfraz74: when were they added? i just finished updating and rebooted a few min ago
[12:59] <mfraz74> sealne: some time yesterday
[12:59] <seaLne> mfraz74: was it fixed in lucid?
[12:59] <lex79> I fixed the kontact/kmail bug yesterday in kdepimlibs ~ppa3
[12:59] <Mamarok> mfraz74: remove that folder: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/, then restart KDE
[12:59] <lex79> :)
[12:59] <Mamarok> you will have the beautiful Oxygen icons back
[13:00] <Mamarok> seaLne: I am on Lucid
[13:01] <mfraz74> thanks mamarok
[13:01] <seaLne> locate libkontactinterface.so on my pc confirms i don't have it
[13:02] <Mamarok> mfraz74: and complain upstream :) Eventually if all those disliking the monochrome stuff would complain, they might think again. And they use a dirty trick, svg to override the default settings
[13:03] <Mamarok> seaLne: did you try dist-upgrade? sometimes that helps
[13:03] <seaLne> yes thats what i did
[13:03] <lex79> seaLne: which version of kdepimlibs you have? and do ls /usr/lib/libkontactinterface.so.4
[13:03] <seaLne> lex79: i don't have that file
[13:04] <lex79> and which version of kdepimlibs is in your system?
[13:05] <seaLne> kdepimlibs5 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[13:06] <lex79> do you have libkontactinterface4 installed? if not, install it with kubuntu ppa enabled
[13:07] <seaLne> lex79: ah that seems to have added it, my dist-upgrade dosen't seem to have gone very well
[13:08] <lex79> ok
[13:09] <mfraz74> lex79: is digikam 1.3 going to be part of the beta PPA?
[13:09] <lex79> yes we can do
[13:10] <mfraz74> :)
[13:14] <seaLne> i also had to manaully install libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-next4 to get kontact working
[13:14] <seaLne> thanks for the help
[13:16] <lex79> no problem
[13:16] <ghostcube> mfraz74: and you have all ppas opened maybe anything is missing inside the upgrade?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> hehe.. kontact crashes here too :P
[13:18] <mfraz74> ghostcube: ?
[13:19] <ghostcube> the ppa backport and update kubuntu repo :)
[13:24] <apachelogger> did I mention that there is #fluffy now?
[13:33] <Riddell> I'm utterly bemused by this libkdewebkit5 dependency issue
[13:34] <Riddell> I can't think of any reason why it would pick up libqt4-webkit 4.7.0 instead of libqt4-webkit 4.7
[13:35] <Riddell> quick fix would be to reversion qtwebkit but I'd really prefer to understand where the issue comes from
[13:35] <seaLne> is this related to rekonq crashing?
[13:35] <lex79> no
[13:37] <debfx> Riddell: I suspect pkg-kde-tools symbols helper magic causes that issue
[13:38] <lex79> debfx: did you add symbol file for libqt4-webkit ?
[13:38] <lex79> in the last upload I mean
[13:38] <jussi> nice. now I have a new install :)
[13:38] <debfx> lex79: yes, but the version of the symbols are 4.7~beta...
[13:38] <Riddell> there is a /var/lib/dpkg/info/libqt4-webkit.symbols file but there's nothing about 4.7.0 in it only 4.7
[13:39] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136681 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Use KMessageBox::errorList instead of using hackish methods to make our own list for handling UntrustedError. We can do proper plural i18n support for UntrustedError.
[13:41] <Riddell> libkdewebkit5 in the ninjas PPA also depends on 4.7.0, why did we not have this problem there?
[13:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pingy
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pongy
[13:42] <lex79> Riddell: because in ninja ppa I built almost all packages before the debfx upload iirc
[13:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we hae reports about k3b failing occasionally on ubuntu 10.04?
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> not that I can recall
[13:43] <Riddell> this makes no sense, but I'm out of ideas so I'm just going to have to upload qtwebkit reversioned to 4.7.0
[13:43] <apachelogger> hm
[13:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: /usr/bin/wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.
[13:43] <apachelogger> looks like security.conf gets in the way of wodim?
[13:44] <apachelogger> random guess that is
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> wodim is a bunch of crap
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> but what it's forking has licensing issues, which is why it was forked
[13:50] <ScottK> It's other major feature is a different maintainer.
[13:53] <Riddell> k3b didn't work in maverick last I tried it
[13:58] <jussi> before I reinstalled, k3b didnt work with 4.5beta. someone may want to check that now
[13:59] <ScottK> CDs are so 1999.
[14:00] <jussi> lol
[14:03] <Mamarok> Riddell: you do kayak, don't you? Vollmer, the Ampache guy does to, we just talked about in the amarok dev channel
[14:04] <Riddell> ooh
[14:18] <ScottK> Mamarok: Yes.  He does: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release
[14:19] <lex79> lol
[14:19] <dantti> Riddell: is it possible to add a kubuntu-logo.png in /usr/share/pixmaps, I don't know how the debconf works on ubuntu, since there isn't a ubuntu-logo
[14:20] <dantti> Riddell: btw I've installed kubuntu on the laptop :P
[14:20] <dantti> s/the/my
[14:21] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136694 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Use KMessageBox::warningContinueCancel, since we're asking the user if he/she wants to continue
[14:21] <Riddell> dantti: yes it's possible to have a logo there but for what purpose and what does debconf have to do with it?
[14:21] <Riddell> dantti: ooh, a convert :)
[14:22] <dantti> Riddell: hehe, well the gnome debconf dialog  shows at the top the distribution logo
[14:22] <e-jat> Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:22] <e-jat>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.85-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[14:22] <e-jat> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[14:22] <e-jat> :(
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> dantti: btw, could you svn add QCupsStrings.* please?
[14:22] <e-jat> another machine .. not successful upgrade :(
[14:23] <dantti> Riddell: http://img685.imageshack.us/my.php?image=conffile.png  like this
[14:23]  * dantti is always forgetting to add files to svn :P
[14:23] <e-jat> anyone already facing the same prob?
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> e-jat: could you paste the entire install log please?
[14:25] <dantti> JontheEchidna: done
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> :D
[14:25] <dantti> :P let's see if today I add progress support to debconf-kde :D
[14:25] <Riddell> dantti: actually I'd rather not have a logo it just creates hassle for derivatives (some discussion at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/UDSNotes/UDU/Branding)
[14:26] <lex79> e-jat: I uploaded a new version ~ppa3, try to upgrade when it's ready https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[14:26] <dantti> hmm well it run lsb_release -is so it should be easy imo
[14:26] <e-jat> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/447772/
[14:26] <e-jat> lex79: owh ok .. thanks ..
[14:27] <lex79> np
[14:27] <e-jat> lex79: just wondering .. y i upgrade my virtual machine work out of the box .. but suddenly want to upgrade in native have a prob
[14:27] <Riddell> dantti: the logo is already installed at /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz if that can be used
[14:27] <dantti> Riddell: I just think that the dialog looks prettier :P but if you think it's a bad thing i don't even loose time being 1x1 with debconf
[14:28] <dantti> Riddell: well that is a very hardcoded path, if all pointed to the same place (/usr/share/pixmaps) and were dicoverable by lsb_release -is   it would be simple
[14:29] <lex79> e-jat: depends on which packages you already have installed...
[14:29] <Riddell> dantti: yes that can be done too
[14:29] <dantti> Riddell: this is the current debconf logic http://pastebin.ca/1880403
[14:29] <e-jat> owh ok .. maybe inside the vm is fresh install ... whereby in native got a lot of stuff ..
[14:29] <lex79> e-jat: yes
[14:30] <dantti> the only problem with that is that you would have to replace the ubuntu-logo (that doesn't exist in kunbuntu)
[14:30] <dantti> since lsb_release -si gives ubuntu not kubuntu
[14:30] <Riddell> dantti: does it exist in ubuntu desktop?
[14:30] <dantti> hmm I don't know
[14:30] <dantti> can't test here .......
[14:31] <Riddell> not there http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ubuntu-logo.png&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any
[14:31]  * dantti wanders what is shown in ubuntu gnome debconf dialogs...
[14:31] <dantti> *wonders
[14:32] <Riddell> maybe they use a custom theme?
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I figured out kinfocenter.  I _almost_ had it fixed yesterday.
[14:33] <Riddell> it may well not use a logo though for the derivative branding issue
[14:33] <ScottK> One extra "/" in debian/rules did me in.
[14:34] <Riddell> ScottK: ooh nasty /
[14:34] <ScottK> lex79: Any chance you could do the -workspace symbol file updates?
[14:34] <ScottK> If we get that, I think we can have -workspace "done" in short order.
[14:35] <dantti> Riddell: i don't think they use a custom theme, but maybe it shows the debian-logo, or nobody notice that the logo could not be loaded :P
[14:36] <lex79> ScottK: dead line? :) I can do but I have to go out now, I come back in a couple of hours
[14:37] <ScottK> lex79: Sooner the better, but a few hours is fine.
[14:37] <lex79> ok
[14:37] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136699 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Support Media Change questions from the worker.
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> now it just needs debconf and conf file support :)
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> I would like to test media change somehow...
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> but how?
[14:45] <e-jat> \0/ finish build .. /me retrying ..
[14:47] <maco> Riddell: you've heard of lynoure's screensaver problem before, from me. i had that problem too with karmic i think. with lucid it doesnt even work once per boot. i pkill kscreenlocker to get into my system
[14:52] <ghostcube> is 4.4.85 going to be packaged?
[14:52] <ghostcube> :)
[14:55] <dantti> JontheEchidna: add a kubuntu cd, remove all you http sources and try to install something
[14:59] <ScottK> ghostcube: It's already done.
[15:01] <ghostcube> ScottK: hmmm? i only seen 4.4.80 thats why iam asking but its not in experimental or am i blind?
[15:02] <ScottK> ghostcube: -beta PPA.
[15:02] <ghostcube> ahhhh ok :)
[15:03] <ghostcube> woah stupid me thx ScottK :|
[15:03] <ghostcube> iam blind today
[15:04] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136710 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Properly connect signals and slots
[15:10] <txwikinger> Riddell: when will the KubuntuTutorialDay happen?
[15:10] <shtylman> Riddell: might be good to disable logout and login sound for the SRU ?
[15:10] <shtylman> seems like a low risk change
[15:10] <Riddell> txwikinger: Johan Thelin has kindly offered to be a star speaker but he's busy in June so maybe not until next month
[15:11] <ScottK> shtylman: Why?
[15:11] <shtylman> ScottK: to make logout faster
[15:11] <shtylman> logout sound blocks logout
[15:11] <txwikinger> Riddell: ok.. cool just wanted to know an about time frame... next month I probably have time to do something too
[15:11] <ScottK> shtylman: Is logout speed a regression from Karmic?
[15:11] <shtylman> and no reason to make users suffer it if we can easily help them
[15:11] <shtylman> ScottK: I think same problem happens in karmic iirc
[15:11] <ScottK> If it's not a regression, we should leave it.
[15:11] <Riddell> txwikinger: got a tutorial/talk to give?
[15:12] <shtylman> ScottK: its a usability bug imho
[15:12] <ScottK> shtylman: SRU should be about serious bugs and regressions.  Design and functional improvements just go in the dev release.
[15:12] <txwikinger> Riddell: I can always do bug triage if it is needed
[15:12] <ScottK> shtylman: I agree it's a bug, but not one we should SRU for.
[15:12] <shtylman> gotcha
[15:12] <txwikinger> Riddell: I might have something else, but I need to thing about it a little mroe
[15:13] <ScottK> txwikinger: Thanks for jumping on the PPA bug triage.  That's a big help.
[15:13] <txwikinger> ScottK: no problem
[15:13] <txwikinger> btw.. how do those bug get assigned to PPA in the first place?
[15:15] <ScottK> People filed them.
[15:15] <ScottK> I created the kubuntu-ppa project a while back for PPA bugs.  This was the first time we officially used it, but people found it anyway.
[15:16] <ScottK> I think it's better to keep the PPA bugs out of the regular bug tracker.
[15:17] <txwikinger> ScottK: I agree.. I just wondered if they get there automatically or if they are put there manually
[15:17] <ScottK> Manually
[15:18] <txwikinger> I think we need to also add a step in our regular triage to move them to the PPA if they belong there
[15:18] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:35] <agateau> Riddell: do you know if someone already packaged Qt 4.7 for Lucid?
[15:37] <Riddell> agateau: yes it's in the beta PPA along with KDE SC 4.5 beta
[15:37] <Riddell> see kubuntu.org
[15:37] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:37] <ScottK> Handy having a web site like that.
[15:37] <agateau> :)
[15:47] <debfx> Riddell: I've packaged the new rekonq beta: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/rekonq_0.4.95-0ubuntu1.dsc
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> amichair: The ktorrent plasmoid seems much better in 4.0 than I remember it being :)
[16:10] <amichair> JontheEchidna: if only it didn't have a gaping memory leak in it :-/ (fixed in trunk)
[16:11] <Riddell> debfx: ooh
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> ouch
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> amichair: are they going to do a 4.0.1 soon?
[16:12] <amichair> JontheEchidna: dunno
[16:20] <amichair> JontheEchidna: whachu workin on? the apt thing?
[16:22] <agateau> hey, is there a way to convince maverick alternate cd to install from a usb drive?
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> amichair: yep yep
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> amichair: An apt library as well as a replacement for install-package using the library
[16:25] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is there any wiki page or such explaining the current situation vs the desired one? how apt usage is structured etc?
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> amichair: The code is here: websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt
[16:27] <ScottK> agateau: I think alternates work for usb-creator.  rgreening would know for sure.
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/
[16:27] <agateau> ScottK: my fault maybe, I used unetbootin, the thing is: it boots, but complains it can't mount the cd
[16:27] <ScottK> agateau: Don't use that.
[16:28] <ScottK> usb-creator-kde ftw.
[16:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: thanks, I'd be happy to do a review when I have a tad of free time
[16:28] <agateau> ScottK: ok, just curious, what's wrong with unetbootin?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> amichair: It's a wrapper library around the libapt-pkg library.
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> providing a much better api
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> there's also a shaman backend using libqapt in kde svn
[16:29] <rgreening> usb-creator-kde was tested with alternate. Should be just fine under lucid to make an alternate cd for maverick
[16:29] <rgreening> agateau: ^
[16:29] <ScottK> agateau: usb-creator(-kde) is designed to work with our ISO's.  I've no idea about unetbootin, but I've seen people have problems with it before, switch to usb-creator and have it work.
[16:29] <rgreening> I tested at UDS all possibilities.
[16:29] <ScottK> agateau: ^^^ is exactly why you want to be using usb-creator-kde.
[16:29]  * agateau tries usb-creator
[16:30] <rgreening> and if there's a bug, I can get it fixed in short order agateau :)
[16:30] <agateau> rgreening: that's a plus!
[16:30] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I'll have to read up on that (don't even know what shaman is)
[16:30]  * rgreening goes out for coffee
[16:30]  * agateau tries its usb drive again
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> amichair: ah, it's an abstracted package manager that can use interchangeable backends. A bit alpha and a bit on the power user side, but...
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> still a bit neat
[16:32] <amichair> JontheEchidna: and the purpose of ur lib is to make the underlying lib more usable?
[16:32] <amichair> or add higher-level functionality too?
[16:32] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136730 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/TODO Update TODO
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> amichair: It also implements a worker that does the actual installing or checking for updates
[16:33] <agateau> rgreening: ScottK: works much better, thanks
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> so that all other consumers can use that one apt implementation
[16:33] <amichair> cool
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> If something minimal like an install-package replacement is wanted, you don't even have to use the lib (except for a few enum values) and can interface with the worker over DBus
[16:44] <lex79> JontheEchidna: if we build the packake with debian-qt-kde.mk and not with dh --with pkgkde_symolhelper, I have to use the old way to update the symbol file?
[16:45] <lex79> so manually?
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> pkgkde-symbolshelper should still work
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:45] <lex79> uhm
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you'd have to use itmanually
[16:45] <lex79> :(
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> I thought you meant the old-old way of applying the diff by hand
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> pkgkde_symbols helper patch patch.diff -p packagename
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> ^the new old way ;)
[16:46] <lex79> yes
[16:47] <lex79> JontheEchidna: the old way is write the new symbols or delete them in symbol files
[16:47] <lex79> for me
[16:50] <ScottK> lex79: I just finished pushing my changes to bzr, so your timing is good.
[16:50] <lex79> eh :)
[16:51] <ScottK> lex79: Let me know when you're done and I'll review/upload.
[16:51] <lex79> ok
[16:58] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm packaging qt 4.6.3 because KDE trunk needs it, ok to put it in lucid-backports?
[16:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Can we test it in a PPA first?
[16:59] <ScottK> I still didn't get over the last Qt official backport we did.
[17:02] <Riddell> can do
[17:56] <nixternal> Mamarok: you are welcome, glad to see you are feeling better, and happy birthday as well :)
[18:46] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136783 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs) Add a warningOccurred signal for notifying about non-fatal errors or other warnings that do not require feedback.
[18:52] <neversfelde> KDE notifications are not working with Quassel and Kopete since the last 4.5 beta update for lucid
[18:55] <mfraz74> is anyone else seeing this - launchpad bug 592356
[18:56] <mfraz74> neversfelde: which notifications are you on about?
[18:57] <neversfelde> message indicator is working, but KDE itself does not display anything I think
[18:58] <mfraz74> i seem to be getting notifications from kopete here
[18:59] <neversfelde> mfraz74: would you ping me?
[19:00] <mfraz74> sending
[19:01] <lex79> ScottK: I need more time, but seems I can do today, I'm coordinating with modax to don't raise the delta
[19:01] <ScottK> lex79: Great.  I'd rather have it right than right now.
[19:01] <lex79> agree
[19:03] <neversfelde> ok, my fault, restarting plasma-desktop helped
[19:03] <mfraz74> is anyone else using knode here?
[19:18] <lex79> ScottK: modax has to go now but he will back in 2 hours, he is a bible of symbols and every thing about packaging. I learnt much :)
[19:19] <ScottK> lex79: OK.  Let me know.
[19:19] <lex79> kk
[19:36] <lex79> someone can retry? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1
[19:41] <delight> where do i configure konqueror to use webkit ? installed kpart-webkit ... can't find the option to configure it
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> file associations -> search for html -> select html from the "text" category -> go to the "embedding" tab -> move the webkit kpart up
[19:43] <delight> JontheEchidna: thnx :)
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/pulseaudio/1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu16
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> All the bits for PulseAudio are in place once that builds. All we'll have to do is add it to the seed now
[19:50] <blueyed> Is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta considered to be up-to-date? or still building or something? because a lot of packages won't be upgraded currently. How is kubuntu-ninja different?
[19:51] <ScottK> blueyed: kubuntu-ninja is the one we use before the new release is publically available.
[19:51] <ScottK> There's not anything currently there that's not in the beta ppa too.
[19:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Excellent.
[19:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd say go ahead and seed it then.
[19:55] <lex79> very good :)
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> pushed. kubuntu-meta upload pending rekonq MIR approval
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> We should get both rekonq and pulse in by alpha2 if all goes well
[19:56] <lex79> \o/
[19:58] <ScottK> Are there any packages other than -workspace that use gpsd?
[19:58] <ScottK> It's in Main now.
[19:58] <ScottK> (workspace change is in bzr pending lex79's resolution of the symbol files)
[20:00] <blueyed> ScottK: I see. Then I should probably not trying to install the beta, given the number of held back packages, and others getting removed?
[20:01] <ScottK> blueyed: pastebin the list.
[20:01] <blueyed> ScottK: from aptitude safe-upgrade?
[20:01] <ScottK> Sure.
[20:02]  * ScottK would prefer apt-get dist-upgrade, but whatever
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> hmm, all the kde updates finally got unblocked on maverick
[20:04] <blueyed> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/4wz6nYmv
[20:06] <delight> ScottK: for me there are still packges updateing from beta1 -> beta2 in maverick ... and there are still some packages in beta1 ... i guess it takes a while till they are on all mirrors
[20:06] <ScottK> delight: In maverick itself stuff is still building.
[20:07] <delight> yes probably ;)
[20:07] <blueyed> ScottK: trying to install/upgrade digikam, would remove e.g. kshutdown: http://pastebin.com/H9XYQGWj
[20:08] <ScottK> blueyed: What does apt-get dist-upgrade say?
[20:08] <blueyed> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/a8AbQg0y
[20:09] <ScottK> blueyed: You have an odd system there.
[20:10] <ScottK> The following packages have been kept back: libquicktime1 (1.1.4-1 => 1.0.3+debian-1.3)
[20:10] <ScottK> $ rmadison libquicktime1
[20:10] <ScottK> libquicktime1 |  2:1.1.4-1 | lucid/universe | amd64, i386
[20:10] <ScottK> libquicktime1 |  2:1.1.5-1 | maverick/universe | amd64, i386
[20:11] <blueyed> http://pastebin.com/xPAxrGBL
[20:11] <blueyed> coming from debian-multimedia or something, I'll investigate
[20:11] <ScottK> blueyed: Except for plasma-desktop most of the removals look fine.
[20:11] <blueyed> also kwin?
[20:11] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:12] <ScottK> That's a transitional package replaced by kde-window-manager
[20:12] <ScottK> blueyed: What happens if you sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop?
[20:13] <blueyed> http://pastebin.com/NMjXeCbS
[20:14] <ScottK> blueyed: Could you do it with -V (or -v I can never remember)
[20:14] <blueyed> ScottK: libquicktime1 would be 3:1.0.3+debian-1.3 from debian-multimedia - not upgradable, but should not matter in this case.
[20:15] <blueyed> ScottK: sure: http://pastebin.com/Buf8HmGP
[20:15] <ScottK> blueyed: OK, it's just I get suspicious when I see third party packages in the midst of a mess.
[20:16] <ScottK> Something is definitel wrong there.
[20:19] <ScottK> blueyed: You're using kubuntu backports PPA on Lucid, right?
[20:20] <blueyed> ScottK: yes, kubuntu-ppa/backports, too
[20:23] <ScottK> blueyed: I don't see what the problem is.  I think there's a bad conflicts somewhere, but I don't find it.
[20:23] <blueyed> I have ppa, beta and backports from the kubuntu-ppa
[20:25] <blueyed> ScottK: so, is kshutdown installable for you?
[20:25] <blueyed> 2.0~beta8-1
[20:25] <ScottK> blueyed: I'm not running the 4.5 beta on Lucid.
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> 2.0beta9-2 installs fine in maverick
[20:30] <blueyed> Here's more info with "-o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes": http://pastebin.com/Ly7GCkBS
[20:36] <blueyed> ScottK: kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 should get removed?
[20:36] <ScottK> blueyed: Yes, also an obsolete transitiona package
[20:37] <blueyed> kshutdown depends on it.
[20:37] <blueyed> 2.0~beta8-1 at least
[20:39] <lex79> ScottK: can you retry? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1783971
[20:39] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1783973
[20:41] <ScottK> blueyed: What happens if you manually remove kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 and then try again?
[20:42] <ScottK> lex79: Done
[20:44] <blueyed> ScottK: I have manually removed kshutdown now, and upgrade kdebase-workspace and plasma-desktop now. Whoops.. because dist-upgrade would have removed "kdebase-plasma" and I thought that would be bad, but would apparently be ok probably. I guest dist-upgrading after this will work out OK. So, kshutdown was blocking all this then.
[20:59] <shadeslayer> um.. why the updates?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ( kde 4.5 )
[20:59] <ScottK> Argh.
[21:00]  * ScottK just had security updates automatically installed.
[21:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: :P
[21:00] <ScottK> Won't happen again.
[21:00] <ScottK> $ sudo apt-get remove packagekit
[21:00] <txwikinger> does it make any sense to have and incomplete 4.5?
[21:00] <txwikinger> -d
[21:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Somehow updates have started automatically installing on Lucid.  There's an open bug about this and it just happened to me (and I know it didn't before).
[21:01] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: no :P
[21:01]  * txwikinger just wondered :)
[21:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: maybe because of the packagekit SRU ?
[21:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: There was an SRU?
[21:02]  * ScottK looks
[21:02] <shadeslayer> i think sp
[21:02] <shadeslayer> *so
[21:02] <ScottK> No, just in karmic
[21:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i meant in kpk
[21:02] <ScottK> Oh
[21:03] <shadeslayer> kpk doesnt respect user settings... theres an open bug about that too
[21:03] <ScottK> Nope, that's in -proposed and I don't have that enabled.
[21:03] <shadeslayer> ahh... ok
[21:03]  * amichair got bitten by that bug too.
[21:04] <shadeslayer> jussi: btw i think that libksignalplotter error should be gone now,lex79 seems to have uploaded a new package correcting that
[21:05] <shadeslayer> btw anything b0rked with maverick as of the latest ISO build?
[21:06] <shadeslayer> im installing it tommorow :P
[21:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: 4.4.85 isn't done building in maverick yet.
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: no problem,thats fine,i just want to know if the installer works OK ?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> like itll get me to a TTY at least :P
[21:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It works for Alpha 1.  I'd grab that instead of a daily and upgrade from it.
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: well... im going to nuke my entire system tomorrow,so ill try out both :P
[21:08] <ScottK> OK
[21:09] <ScottK> glatzor: Would you please have a look at Bug #586497?
[21:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ not sure if he got that :P
[21:13] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:19] <blueyed> ScottK: worked out. Therefore, please consider updating kshutdown in the ppa, too.
[21:19] <ScottK> blueyed: OK.  I don't usually mess with the PPA stuff much.  Maybe lex79 will do it ....
[21:20] <lex79> I should rebuild kshutdown?
[21:20] <blueyed> Woot! Tiling in kwin :)
[21:20] <blueyed> lex79: yes, it blocks the beta2 upgrade
[21:20] <blueyed> in the beta ppa
[21:20] <lex79> ok
[21:21] <blueyed> not just rebuild. it has a bad depends on the 4+5 package
[21:21] <blueyed> the version from maverick should work probably
[21:21] <blueyed> lex79: ^^
[21:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw have you tried the shutdown button and the choose WM buttons in KDM? do they work for you?
[21:21] <blueyed> shadeslayer: not for me
[21:22] <blueyed> they do nothing when clicked
[21:22] <shadeslayer> blueyed: same thing here...
[21:22] <shadeslayer> bad dbus calls?
[21:22] <lex79> WM button?
[21:22] <shadeslayer> they go in and out... thats all :P
[21:22] <blueyed> lex79: window manager button
[21:22] <shadeslayer> lex79: the button which lets you choose between KDE/Gnome/terminal
[21:22] <lex79> ah
[21:22] <lex79> I didn't try
[21:25] <ScottK> lex79: I'm looking at kdeaccessibility in New.  I think it needs a transitional package for kttsd.
[21:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: didnt kttsd get renamed to jovie?
[21:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It did.
[21:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok then i dont know the concept of a transitional package :
[21:26] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:26] <ScottK> However without a transitional kttsd package that depends on jovie, users won't get the new package.
[21:26] <lex79> ScottK: oh right
[21:26] <lex79> forgot about that
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: whats a transitional package?
[21:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's an empty package with the old name that depends on the new one.  That way when a user upgrades, the new one gets added to their system.
[21:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah ok,for people who dont know the new name yet
[21:28] <ScottK> Exactly.
[21:28] <lex79> blueyed: I uploaded kshutdown to kubuntu-beta ppa
[21:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what does the entry in control file look like?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> apart from the usual fields....
[21:29] <ScottK> It's like a normal package except you add to the description "This is a transitional package that may be safely removed after upgrade".
[21:29] <lex79> shadeslayer: are you doing it?
[21:29] <ScottK> The big difference is it doesn't ship any files.
[21:29] <shadeslayer> lex79: i can do it tomorrow... just gathering info :)
[21:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: can you let me do it? i can learn that way :)
[21:30] <lex79> sure ;)
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ill have a look at some transitional packages tomorrow and then make the necessary changes :)
[21:33]  * ScottK is currently retrying about half of KDE in maverick.
[21:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: :D
[21:37] <shadeslayer> ejat: hey :)
[21:37] <shadeslayer> ejat: im not working on any package as of now,but will start working on loads of them tomorrow :D
[21:37] <ejat> loads?
[21:38] <shadeslayer> ejat: basically ill be doing merges
[21:38] <shadeslayer> !merge | ejat
[21:43] <shadeslayer> ejat: i can help you tomorrow,i have a exam in 7 hours :P,so busy studyong :D
[21:43] <shadeslayer> *studying
[21:43] <shadeslayer> but after that im free for like 2.5 months xD
[21:44] <ejat> owh ok .. good luck
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ejat: also checkout #ubuntu-packaging and #ubuntu-motu,thats where all the packaging action is :D
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ejat: thanks :D
[21:46] <ejat> :) welcome
[21:59] <blueyed> here is the kdm bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239006 - workaround: use middle click :)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> any idea why kontact doesnt start? Backtrace here : http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/3UyPk3EV
[22:27] <shadeslayer> heh.. removed config and all is well
[23:06] <Trouble_> Not more KDE beta updates to apply? :-p
[23:26] <lex79> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2/+build/1784332
[23:26] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2/+build/1784334
[23:28] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1784054
[23:28] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1784052
[23:29] <Riddell> lex79: what's this?
[23:29] <lex79> Riddell: retry please...
[23:31] <Riddell> lex79: kdeedu is waiting for kdebindings
[23:31] <Riddell> utils too
[23:32] <lex79> ah, kdebindings is built only on i386
[23:47]  * Riddell uploads qt 4.6.3 to kubuntu-ppa updates