[00:04] <penguin42> so my old .mozilla/firefox should have become .mozilla/firefox.3.0-replaces and .mozilla/firefox-3.5 would become .mozilla/firefox - so seems sane
[00:04] <asac_> penguin42: yes.
[00:04] <asac_> penguin42: question is: does your old firefox 3.0 profile look like hte one you have now?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I just don't see my 3.5 old profile in there :(
[00:04] <asac_> penguin42: also did you have firefox 3.0 still running when you did this migration?
[00:05] <asac_> penguin42: that might be interesting and we should put a safety net in the script i think
[00:05] <BUGabundo> nor I remember seeing the question when I test-run the migration before it hit the archive
[00:05] <penguin42> asac_: Good question; I think I had firefox-3.5 running when this migration happened possibly?
[00:05] <asac_> BUGabundo: it was in ppa for 1 or 2 days before going to archive
[00:05] <asac_> penguin42: hmm. that shouldnt be that bad i think
[00:06] <asac> in any case it shouldnt migrate if anything is still running
[00:06] <asac> rather pop up a dialog saying: "stop all firefox instances first"
[00:06] <penguin42> asac: ? What in that script detect sthat?
[00:06] <asac> but we did the same for firefox 2->3 migration
[00:06] <asac> and had almost no complains
[00:06] <asac> penguin42: it doesnt do that atm
[00:06] <asac> we would have to do something new for that
[00:07] <penguin42> ah right - I didn't think I could see anything....
[00:07] <penguin42> asac: The thing is the state I was in after migration was no old bookmarks, no browser history or any other data
[00:10] <penguin42> asac: IMHO that script needs to create a log of what it did, when and also needs error checking on it's shell commands
[00:13]  * penguin42 finds his firefox.3.0-replaced has a firefox subdirectory
[00:16] <penguin42> I think that script has tried to do the move twice
[00:18] <penguin42> asac: OK, try this scenario - I don't know if it's what happened or not; I click a link that runs /usr/bin/firefox and then click it again before I notice the dialog; both instances bring up dialogs, and I answer 'keep 3.5 settings' to one, then I see the 2nd dialog and I think 'shrug, it didn't do it - ok, same again' and click 'keep 3.5 settings'
[00:20] <penguin42> ahha!
[00:20] <penguin42> yes
[00:22] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Can you look inside your firefox.3.0-replaced and see if you have a firefox dir?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> looking
[00:23] <BUGabundo> don't think so
[00:23] <BUGabundo> only looks like old 3.0 profiles
[00:24] <penguin42> ok
[00:27]  * penguin42 updates the bug
[00:34] <penguin42> asac: See comment in the bug
[00:42] <penguin42> in other fun and excitement - since the last few weeks I've been getting flash related crashes - commonly if I kill nspluginwrapper firefox seems to go with it - I'd never seen that before ~3 weeks ago
[01:19] <penguin42> hohum
[03:00] <rigo> Anyone: when will firefox 3.5 be available for jaunty?
[03:03] <micahg> rigo, just install firefox-3.5
[03:03] <micahg> it's been there since release
[03:04] <rigo> micahg: I'm refering to canonical's official version
[03:05] <micahg> ugh, it may or may not be
[03:05] <micahg> rigo: It's the same browser
[03:10] <rigo> micahg: k thanks
[11:07] <BUGabundo> good morning
[11:46] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a2pre) Gecko/20090815 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Namoroka/3.6a2pre ID:20090815003024
[11:46] <BUGabundo> humm Namoroka kewl
[11:49] <micahg> BUGabundo: I told you Friday that 3.6 is no longer trunk
[11:50] <BUGabundo> did u»
[11:50] <BUGabundo> don't recall it
[11:50] <BUGabundo> glad I run trunk ppa then :)
[11:51] <micahg> yep, 3.7 is ther
[11:51] <micahg> *there
[11:51] <micahg> I guess it's time to upgrade :)
[11:51]  * BUGabundo looks
[11:51] <BUGabundo>                                          firefox-3.7 - 3.7~a1~hg20090815r31585+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[11:51] <BUGabundo> alpha 1?
[11:52] <micahg> it's trunk
[11:52] <BUGabundo> 3.6 just got pre alpha 2
[11:52] <BUGabundo> olol
[11:52] <micahg> trunk stays alpha until right before it branches AFAIK
[11:52] <BUGabundo> so I just need firefox-3.7-gnome-support ?
[11:52] <BUGabundo> it should pull everything else right?
[11:52] <micahg> If you're using gvfs yes
[11:52] <micahg> yes
[11:53] <BUGabundo> ok
[11:53] <BUGabundo>   firefox-3.7{a} firefox-3.7-branding{a} firefox-3.7-gnome-support xulrunner-1.9.3{a} xulrunner-1.9.3-gnome-support{a}
[11:53] <BUGabundo> there goes ALL my addons again :)
[11:53] <micahg> ooh, didn't know where was xulrunner gnome support
[11:53] <micahg> BUGabundo: you have the override extension though
[11:54] <micahg> if it doesn't break ;)
[11:55] <BUGabundo> well I'll force them to work.
[11:55] <BUGabundo> but not to work WELL
[11:55] <BUGabundo> several addons are broken on 3.6
[11:55] <BUGabundo> like greasemonkey
[11:55] <BUGabundo> tabmixplus
[11:55] <BUGabundo> updir
[11:55] <BUGabundo> nosquint
[11:55] <BUGabundo> stuff I use *daily*
[11:56] <BUGabundo> bbl
[12:22] <mac_v> wow , micahg sleeps only for 4 hrs ! 0.o
[12:22] <mac_v> or even less!
[12:22] <micahg> mac_v: never made it to sleep yet :)
[12:22] <micahg> will go to sleep in about 1.5 hours
[12:22] <micahg> it's morning already
[12:22] <micahg> but whatever
[12:22] <micahg> did that package work for you?
[12:23] <mac_v> yeah... now i have to reconfigure all the settings
[12:24] <mac_v> micahg: this there a bug about firefox and the cursor not being in the right spot?
[12:24] <mac_v> imena the cursor in firefox!
[12:24] <mac_v> i mean*
[12:24] <micahg> you mean seeing a cursor in the text vs a field?
[12:25] <mac_v> when i select & drag text , the cursor shows up at a level higher[3-4 lines] that the pointer
[12:26] <mac_v> also the cursor lags , when i move it using pointers , could it have something to do with me always having firefox ON?
[12:26] <mac_v> but this is a new problem , only after recent updates , and the problem starts even when i start firefox fresh
[12:29] <micahg> I remember just seeing something about that first problem
[12:30] <micahg> bug 413950
[12:32] <mac_v> hm... i think it has nothing to do with the bookmarks but just with the cursor positioning...
[12:32] <micahg> agreed, which leads me to believe it's not even a firefox problem
[12:33] <micahg> maybe check on +1 for cursor odditties
[12:37] <mac_v> micahg: i thought so too , but the cursor drag works well in other apps , i'm now writing a comment on how to test it. its a problem only in firefox. this has been there for several days, maybe even since alpha3 , i was just too lazy to report it!
[12:46] <mac_v> micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/413950/comments/2
[12:46] <mac_v> stupid typos! not I... It*
[12:47] <micahg> mac_v: idk about that
[12:48] <mac_v> micahg: hmm... np... I'll ask asac ... should i change the title? and edit the description ?
[12:48] <micahg> it makes sense for the cursor to be where the text would be inserted, line 1
[12:49] <mac_v> what??? i'm confused?  the cursor is always located 3 lines higher than the pointer
[12:50] <micahg> doesn't matter, cursor should be next to the first letter that will be inserted
[12:50] <mac_v> yeah , exactly, something is wrong in firefox
[12:51] <micahg> no, I think the FF behavior is fine
[12:51] <micahg> if you're hanging a picture, do you want it to settle based on the top, or where your ahnds are?
[12:52] <mac_v> micahg: try the same select and drag in text editor , note the pointer is always close to the pointer , this was the behavior , now there is a bug
[12:53] <mac_v> cursor*
[12:54] <micahg> ok, well I think the firefox behavior is correct
[12:55] <mac_v> nah , its wrong , it is difficult for text drag [pictures maybe ok]
[12:56] <micahg> I just tested it, I'd want the cursor to show me where line one is going to be, not where the hand is.
[12:57] <micahg> but you can ask someone else
[12:58] <mac_v> micahg: when you select from line one the cursor doesnt even exist! only when you go down to line 3 the cursor shows up in line 1
[12:58]  * micahg is too tired...
[12:59] <micahg> I won't touch it till tomorrow night
[13:17] <BUGabundo> fta: chromium specific bug ? http://www.jaiku.com/channel/jaikuengine/presence/5e26f1d963a94a2a9e7e07b00d5324e8
[13:17] <BUGabundo> anyone else here using chromium could test that??
[13:36] <BUGabundo> fta                                            20 source packages        (719.1 MiB)             144 binary packages        (24.1 GiB)
[13:36] <BUGabundo> you don't play in service
[13:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:44] <fta> asac, "Rejected: PPA exceeded its size limit (10264.00 of 10240.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space."
[19:45] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[19:45] <fta> asac, could you please request 15GB?
[19:45] <fta> asac, umd
[19:45] <BUGabundo> fta: one more ? LOLOL
[19:45] <BUGabundo> (01:36:45 PM) freenode: fta                                            20 source packages        (719.1 MiB)             144 binary packages        (24.1 GiB)
[19:45] <BUGabundo> I just said that earlier
[19:45] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[19:45] <micahg> fta: are you going to change the name for Namoroka in the menu for 3.6 daily?
[19:46] <fta> micahg, i did, last friday
[19:46] <micahg> hmm
[19:46] <fta> but the ppa got some rejects, maybe in today's builds
[19:46] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:46] <micahg> I just upgraded and it still says minefield 3.6
[19:46] <micahg> ah
[19:46] <micahg> ok
[19:46] <BUGabundo> mine is called Namoroka
[19:47] <BUGabundo> but gnome do still see minefield
[19:47] <BUGabundo> :\\
[19:47] <BUGabundo> I have TWO minefields on menu eheh
[19:47] <BUGabundo> 3.6 and 3.7
[19:47] <micahg> right
[19:49] <fta> well, it's always the same, before final, should a snapshot build be called minefield of by its codename?
[19:49] <fta> asac wants minefield, i don't mind either way
[19:49] <micahg> hmm, I think codename is more appropriate, but it's asac's call
[19:50] <micahg> I thought minefield was trunk
[19:53] <fta> a long time ago, i called all the tagged releases by their codename, asac preferred to wait for beta 1 (that was 3.0), then he moved to only final (3.5)
[19:54] <BUGabundo> fta: the prob for me is that calling minefield from GnomeDO
[19:54] <BUGabundo> now it *sees* 3.6
[19:54] <BUGabundo> when I want 3.7
[20:06] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[20:06] <BUGabundo>   chromium-browser firefox firefox-3.5 firefox-3.5-branding firefox-3.5-gnome-support firefox-3.7 firefox-3.7-branding
[20:06] <BUGabundo>   firefox-3.7-gnome-support firefox-gnome-support gwibber xulrunner-1.9.1 xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support xulrunner-1.9.3
[20:06] <BUGabundo> this is going to start to hurt
[20:33] <fta> BUGabundo, ?
[20:34] <BUGabundo> fta: have you seen the size of this updates daily ?
[20:35] <fta> well, no one forces you do use them
[20:39] <BUGabundo> dinner bbl
[20:39] <BUGabundo> who is going to test them then???
[20:39] <BUGabundo> pfff
[20:39] <BUGabundo> no need to thank me :\\\
[20:42] <fta> CVE-2009-2416
[20:42] <fta> CVE 2009-2416
[20:42] <fta> CVE 2009 2416
[20:42] <fta> hm
[20:43] <fta> !cvz
[20:43] <fta> !cve
[20:47] <micahg> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2009-2416
[20:54] <fta> yep, found it, i'm just glad google finally fixed chromium
[20:55] <fta> i reported it to them when it landed in ubuntu
[21:02] <mac_v> fta: hi... could you look at this > Bug #413950
[21:02] <micahg> mac_v: fta doesn't do bugs
[21:03] <mac_v> ah... sorry fta :)
[21:03] <mac_v> i was hoping he would know what the problem was
[21:16] <BUGabundo> I'm pissed
[21:16] <BUGabundo> laptop halted  with no aparent reason during dinner and FF lost an entire session loaded with Android wikis :(
[21:17] <BUGabundo> it should be able to restore it, but no..... only offers an older one :( FAIL
[21:20] <BUGabundo> fta: kde systemsetting is listing 3.5 as Shiretoko Web Browser
[21:21] <BUGabundo> 3.6 as Minefield 3.6 Web Browser
[21:21] <BUGabundo> 3.7 Minefield 3.7 Web Browser
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Bleed Browser
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Browse the Bleeding Edge
[21:21] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[21:26] <fta> BUGabundo, if all are from umd, that's expected
[21:26] <BUGabundo> not all
[21:27] <BUGabundo> I think 3.5 is archive
[21:27] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 3.5.3~hg20090816r26247+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd1
[21:27] <BUGabundo> nope its daily
[21:27] <BUGabundo> 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[21:27] <BUGabundo> its higher now
[21:44] <fta> downgrade then
[21:45] <BUGabundo> fta: why?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I won't use it
[21:45] <BUGabundo> actually I haven't used 3.0 or 3.5 for many months
[21:45] <fta> ok
[21:45] <BUGabundo> only do it for testing purpose
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I'm running 3.6, and today started 3.7
[21:46] <BUGabundo> if it wasn't for the depencies, I would remove 3.5 :\
[23:42] <BUGabundo> guud night


[16:18] <Myrtti> could someone have a look on emmabot
[16:18] <genii-around> Yeah I was wondering about that


 if ubuntu crashes, where do i have to put the machine oil into the system?
[02:29] <bazhang> alteregoa ^^
[04:51] <Amaranth> !-love
[04:51] <Amaranth> boo
[06:48] <jussi> !love-#ubuntu-offtopic
[06:48] <jussi> Amaranth:
[08:00] <Qrocker> you are my ecstasy
[08:00] <Qrocker> you really are
[08:01] <Qrocker> anyone want to start a ubuntu band
[08:01] <Qrocker> maco, you game?
[08:02] <Qrocker> i have friends
[08:02] <Qrocker> or a friend
[08:02] <Qrocker> on facebook too
[08:02] <Qrocker> so plz have your say
[08:57] <elky> ...
[08:57] <maco> elky: hoober
[08:57] <elky> ah
[10:05] <blendmaster1024> ubottu said it sent my request to fix !offtopic in here
[10:07] <jussi> blendmaster1024: yes, it did
[10:08] <blendmaster1024> does that change look alright?
[10:08] <jussi> !search offtopic
[10:08] <jussi> !offtopic
[10:08] <blendmaster1024> the idea is that #ubuntu-offtopic tends to be very, very bad at answering questions
[10:08] <jussi> I dont think its necessary, but Id like to hear other opinions
[10:11] <blendmaster1024> the reason I would make that change is that #ubuntu often forwards people into the offtopic chan for questions not directly related to ubuntu
[10:11] <blendmaster1024> where it would be far better to send them into the right channel for the job
[10:12] <blendmaster1024> so the change says "go there if you want to chat" instead of "go there if it's not a ubuntu question"
[10:12] <jussi> yeah, but -ot is pretty good at telling people where to go... in more sense than one :D
[10:13] <maco> jussi: are you counting aych ee double hockey sticks?
[10:13] <jussi> maco: ?
[10:14] <rww> Is Kwpolska banned from #ubuntu, or am I thinking of someone else?
[10:14] <blendmaster1024> maco, heh
[10:14] <jussi> rww: 1 sec
[10:15] <jussi> rww: he is, thanks for the heads up.
[10:30] <maco> how long is a good time to leave folks +q after theyve gotten into a round of the penis game?
[10:31] <jussi> maco: 10 mins is a normal +q time - idea being that they get the idea, its long enough for the conversationto move on
[10:32] <maco> ok
[10:35] <Kwpolska> why, hello there, why am I banned on the main channel?
[10:36] <jussi> Kwpolska: youve been banned several times
[10:36] <Kwpolska> I remember only one ban.
[10:36] <Kwpolska> so who banned me and why?
[10:36] <jussi> Kwpolska: The latest one I enforced because you were banned already. However, let me have a look at that and we can talk about it ok?
[10:37] <Kwpolska> wha---? wait a minute, let me find the proper log
[10:38] <jussi> Kwpolska: ahh, it seems you called people some not very nice things
[10:39] <Kwpolska> jussi: I've got some logs for you.
[10:39] <jussi> Kwpolska: are you familiar with our guidelines? if not, I suggest you have a read.
[10:39] <jussi> Kwpolska: please pastebn or pm them to me
[10:39] <Kwpolska> http://pastebin.org/456708
[10:39] <Kwpolska> just a bit of logs from july.
[10:40] <Kwpolska> sorry for crap in logs, I dunno why my client generates it like this
[10:40] <jussi> Kwpolska: curious. Our tracker hasnt got the ban removed. I assume you are not going to call people retards any more?
[10:40] <Kwpolska> I am not.
[10:41] <jussi> Kwpolska: ok, you are free to rejoin. My apologies for this.
[12:02] <elky> It's taking all my willpower to not respond to that with "fix poulsbo"
[12:30] <guntbert> hi, can someone have an eye on Kwpolska in #ubuntu? several of her/his statements seem a bit .. off
[13:10] <ikonia> sure
[13:27] <ikonia> demoneye: hello
[13:27] <demoneye> Hi guys, I think my ip/hostname is being banned from #ubuntu
[13:27] <demoneye> hey ikonia
[13:27] <ikonia> demoneye: I'm sorry, but the bsshellz accounts are currently blocked due to abuse
[13:28] <ikonia> bshellz sorry
[13:28] <demoneye> Kids, they just never grow up, do they.
[13:28] <ikonia> sorry, no
[13:28] <demoneye> It's ok
[13:28] <ikonia> the admins have not been helpful in blocking users who abuse
[13:28] <ikonia> so at this time there is a block on the bshellz accounts
[13:29] <demoneye> mind if i ask, how long is this blocked?
[13:29] <ikonia> it's only been blocked a few days
[13:29] <demoneye> few days? I was there like 4 hours ago
[13:29] <demoneye> using bshellz account
[13:29] <ikonia> you where there, but muted
[13:30] <demoneye> oh
[13:30] <ikonia> I don't see you in the channel in the last 4 hours
[13:31] <demoneye> nvm, you know anyalternative ubuntu channels?
[13:31] <ikonia> sorry no
[13:32] <demoneye> ok, thank you.
[15:15] <Jungli> !i love you debian | ikonia
[17:17] <ikonia> still jungli behaves in this pointless manner
[18:57] <LjL> heya, can someone unban metabot from wherever it's banned? (probably #ubuntu and #kubuntu)
[18:57] <LjL> it's coming back in a functioning state
[18:57] <IdleOne> just a sec
[18:58] <IdleOne> done
[18:58] <LjL> thanks
[18:58] <IdleOne> sure thing
[19:22] <nhandler> IdleOne: It was also banned in #kubuntu and +1 (I removed them)
[19:22] <IdleOne> nhandler: thank you. I don't have access in those channels
[19:22] <IdleOne> that's why I didn't :)
[19:23] <nhandler> IdleOne: No problem. But it might be worth mentioning that next time instead of just saying "done". That way, they don't come back saying "Why am I still banned in #foo when soandso said they unbanned me?"
[19:24] <IdleOne> yeah, I could of been a little more clear on what I had done :)
[19:24] <IdleOne> will keep that in mind
[19:24] <nhandler> :)


[21:09] <Tybstar> hey, i could use a favor. i need the direct URL for the Lucid image that gets installed in Eucalyptus (UEC) when you hit the image store Install option.
[21:09] <Tybstar> does anyone know how to find that?


[01:21] <knome> meh network problems
[18:05] <pleia2> no response yet on our docs site being down :(
[22:15] <knome> boo
[22:16] <knome> hello people
[22:30] <bluesabre> knome: not halloween
[22:32] <knome> no
[22:32] <knome> was a reply to pleia2  :P
[22:33] <bluesabre> :D
[22:47] <pleia2> hehe


[08:50] <pascal11> Hi
[10:09] <roryy> i know it's a tired refrain, but *damn* is it cold
[11:11] <nlsthzn> superfly: Hey, the blog feed in planet, does it use specific tags or just grab the whole blog?
[13:09]  * KerberoMobile ondervind internet ontrekkingsimptome
[13:20] <nlsthzn> Maaz: tell superfly Hey, the blog feed in planet, does it use specific tags or just grab the whole blog?
[13:20] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Righto, I'll tell superfly on freenode
[17:44] <superfly> .
[17:44] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, nlsthzn on freenode told me "tell superfly Hey, the blog feed in planet, does it use specific tags or just grab the whole blog?" 4 hours, 23 minutes and 5 seconds ago
[17:46] <superfly> Maaz: tell nlsthzn it just takes an rss feed, so if you give me a feed based on a tag, that's what we'll see
[17:46] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell nlsthzn on freenode


[20:56] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc has been stuck in proposed for a good little bit.
[20:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: since xfce4-settings uses glibc... if I push a package up it will build against that glibc in proposed and likewise get stuck, right?
[21:09] <Unit193> For the time being, aye.


[12:58] <okaratas> hello
[12:59] <okaratas> <i prepared a deb packet for ubuntu which is not in the archives. how can i send this to archives? what should i do?,
[12:59] <Hobbsee> okaratas: see the answer in #ubuntu-deve
[12:59] <Hobbsee> l
[01:00] <okaratas> Hobbsee, okey
[01:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:23] <geser> hi bddebian
[01:24] <bddebian> Hi geser
[01:39] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[01:40] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:44] <alex_mayorga> hi
[01:44] <LaserJock> hello
[01:45] <alex_mayorga> is this the place to ask for addition of components on the distro?
[01:47] <LaserJock> alex_mayorga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates is the place to ask for a new package
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> do I just edit the wiki?
[01:47] <LaserJock> yes
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> how do I confirm http://gsynaptics.sourceforge.jp is not there yet?
[01:49] <LaserJock> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:49] <LaserJock> and packages.debian.org
[01:49] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorga: it's in fesity
[01:49] <Hobbsee> *feisty
[01:49] <alex_mayorga> coolio, what's the package name
[01:49] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison gsynaptics
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/universe Packages
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/universe Sources
[01:49] <Hobbsee> gsynaptics |    0.9.7-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[01:49] <alex_mayorga> I'm on feisty already
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> nice, checking and downloading
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> I wonder if there's something similar for multiple button mouses?
[02:14] <LaserJock> grrr
[02:14] <bddebian> grr?
[02:17] <LaserJock> I was looking at a couple Edubuntu packages
[02:18] <LaserJock> and they are FTBFS
[02:19] <LaserJock> rebuilt for python2.5 even though they are set to python2.4 only in debian/control
[02:19] <cypherbios> someone here knows what is the sintax parsed by Udate Manager to create a link to an bug in the change log viewer embed on update-manager? i.e: LP:#89325 links to https://launchpad.net/bugs/89325
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89325 in aptoncd "returns to the beggining if the user hasn't enough rights to save the folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:19] <cypherbios> I just need to put on changelog '* closes LP:#89325' and update manager will show an link to the corresponding bug automatically ?
[02:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: :(
[02:20] <LaserJock> I think they might also be trying to make python2.4-* even though it was supposedly move to new python policy
[02:20] <LaserJock> I don't quite get it
[02:20] <bddebian> Nice
[02:21] <LaserJock> and they are Main :/
[02:32] <LaserJock> darn, where is ajmitch when I need him? :-)
[02:33] <bddebian> Gone for a couple days iirc
[02:33] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, which packages are these?
[02:34] <Fujitsu> I know of two Edubuntu-related main ones, but it's probably not them.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> (the two I'm thinking of should be demoted, as they're rather broken at the moment)
[02:37] <LaserJock> schooltool and schoolbell
[02:37] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: which ones are you thinking of?
[02:37] <LaserJock> denemo?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Those are the ones I'm talking about.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Don't try.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> That version doesn't work with Zope 3.3, but trunk does.
[02:39] <LaserJock> well yeah, that's what I'm saying
[02:39] <LaserJock> the took them out of Etch
[02:39] <LaserJock> *they
[02:39] <Fujitsu> There are no release plans at the moment, either.
[02:40] <LaserJock> it's supposed to be following new python policy
[02:41] <LaserJock> but they are still producing python2.4-*
[02:41] <Fujitsu> There's little point making it follow it.
[02:41] <LaserJock> well sure, but the point is that why is it said to follow new python policy if it doesn't
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Who knows...
[02:42] <LaserJock> it's stuck on pyton2.4 but was rebuild for 2.5
[02:42] <Fujitsu> It seems to produce python2.X-school{tool,bell} packages, which is wrong.
[02:42] <LaserJock> that's what I'm saying
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Ah, this is true.
[02:43] <Fujitsu> I hadn't read all of the conversation, so I didn't see that line.
[03:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: You think Bug #86306 should be rejected?
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86306 in qgis "qgis" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86306
[03:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: not yet
[03:32] <LaserJock> I can't think of a reason to reject it, yet
[03:32] <bddebian> Uhm, we don't have 0.8? :-)
[03:32] <LaserJock> but I just left a note on that
[03:32] <LaserJock> asking the reporter if they do indeed have 0.8
[03:32] <bddebian> Look at the crash report
[03:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's pretty much meaningless to me
[03:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you get out of it?
[03:36] <LaserJock> ahh
[03:37] <LaserJock> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10
[03:37] <LaserJock> Package: qgis 0.8.0-2
[03:38] <bddebian> Yep :)
[03:38] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:38] <LaserJock> let's just see if he responds to my comment
[03:39] <bddebian> NP
[03:39] <LaserJock> he must have gotten it from Debian or something
[03:39] <bddebian> Does Debian have 0.8?
[03:39] <bddebian> Nope
[03:39] <LaserJock> nope
[03:41] <LaserJock> the qgis site has an edgy tarball
[03:41] <LaserJock> but no .deb
[03:41] <LaserJock> ah, but somebody does have a debian repo for it
[03:42] <LaserJock> http://download.qgis.org/qgis/etch/README
[03:46] <bddebian> How the hell is python-scipy-core a depends for python-scipy when python-scipy conflicts/replaces python-scipy-core?
[03:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: which version?
[03:53] <bddebian> Which version of what, python-scipy?
[03:53] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah
[03:54] <bddebian>  0.5.2
[03:54] <LaserJock> the current feisty version doesn't
[03:54] <LaserJock> 0.5.2-0.1ubuntu1
[03:55] <bddebian> Doesn't what?
[03:55] <bddebian> Do and apt-cache rdepends python-scipy-core
[03:56] <bddebian> Oh, I just noticed that I wrote that backwards
[03:56] <LaserJock> well that's weird
[03:56] <LaserJock> python-scipy doesn't dep on it
[03:56] <bddebian> The only thing I can figure is he's trying to transition python-scipy-core?
[03:57] <LaserJock> oh sure, but the dep isn't there
[03:57] <LaserJock> python-scipy-core was replaced by python-numpy in edgy
[03:58] <bddebian> WTF, python-scipy-core Recommends python-scipy
[04:00] <LaserJock> sure
[04:00] <bddebian> I'm confused as shit
[04:00] <LaserJock> heh
[04:00] <LaserJock> python-scipy used to use python-scipy-core as a core library
[04:00] <bddebian> How do you recommend a package that conflicts and replaces yourself?
[04:00] <LaserJock> now scipy-core has been replaced by numpy
[04:01] <LaserJock> that's because scipy-core hasn't been touched since the transition
[04:01] <LaserJock> it's an obsolete package
[04:02] <bddebian> So what about python-f2py ? :-)
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, that was a dep of older scipy
[04:02] <LaserJock> but I think maybe numpy has swallowed that too
[04:03] <LaserJock> because numpy has a Replaces: on f2py
[04:03] <LaserJock> ok ..
[04:04] <LaserJock> so f2py deps on scipy-core
[04:04] <LaserJock> so that redepends makes sense
[04:04] <bddebian> Except that both are obsolete?
[04:05] <LaserJock> well ...
[04:05] <LaserJock> basically, but some people might want to still use them because they have written code for them
[04:05] <LaserJock> however, scipy does *not* depend on scipy-core
[04:06] <LaserJock> so I don't get that rdepends
[04:09] <LaserJock> hmm, it might be a becuase of the Conflicts
[04:10] <LaserJock> apt-cache depends python-scipy
[04:16] <LaserJock> bddebian: why are you concerned?
[04:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Bug #73531
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73531 in python-scipy-core "package description does not match dependancies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73531
[04:18] <bddebian> whooops, wrong one
[04:18] <bddebian> No, that's it
[04:19] <LaserJock> I didn't think it was released yet
[04:19] <Hobbsee> when is it released?
[04:20] <LaserJock> March 14th
[04:20] <LaserJock> we have the betas in now
[04:21] <LaserJock> so we'll have 2.18 on the 14th
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:21] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:21] <Hobbsee> so the beta is in now?  interesting...
[04:21] <LaserJock> seb and daniel get the packages in the same day
[04:21] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: We always have the latest GNOME version during the dev cycle...
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true.  must be including the betas then
[04:22] <LaserJock> yes, the versions are 2.17something
[04:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen is where I go the info
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:23] <LaserJock> I think we have 2.17.92
[04:25] <bddebian> Damn I can't get anything done anymore.. :(
[04:52] <crimsun> bddebian: is wxwidgets2.8 progressing?
[04:52] <bddebian> crimsun: doko uploaded it afaik
[04:52] <crimsun> bddebian: ok.
[04:53] <bddebian> He made his own package
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> This might be a silly question, but:  How are pretty ncurses interfaces made?  ie, how hard would it be to make a simple menu thing?
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> I'm researching for some PIIs and such, 128 RAM or so.
[04:57] <crimsun> not difficult at all.
[04:57] <bddebian> Can you use pretty and ncurses in the same sentence? :)
[04:57] <LaserJock> of course
[04:58] <LaserJock> ncurses > *
[04:58] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:58] <bddebian> heh
[04:58] <LaserJock> creating CLI beauty
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: What are my prerequiesites of things I need to know / have?
[04:59] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: at least the dev package
[05:00] <crimsun> if you don't necessarily need ncurses, see whiptail.
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> Is there a menu wizard, or does this involve writing code, starting from templates,... I really don't know what I might be facing.
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> whiptail - I've heard of that I think
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> What I'm envisioning is some system restore stuff involving a "rescue partition" like a lot of laptops come with involving a partimage image file, and a sort of "you're really sure?" menu, maybe a few other options
[05:03] <crimsun> have you considered refactoring hubackup for that purpose?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> I haven't heard of that, honestly.  Just started pondering this today.  Can you tell me more?
[05:04] <crimsun> sure, ``apt-cache show hubackup'', and see its bzr branch(es)
[05:05] <crimsun> (hosted on LP)
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> Maybe I'll do both.  hubackup looks good for data checkpoints, while the other method could be the "wow, this is really hosed - screw and start over" option
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> whiptail looks really nice, btw.
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> great tip
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Is there something like the UCK for alternate CDs?  That seems to be for Live ones.
[05:49] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: all I know of are wiki pages
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: that may change soon - a sec
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/customize-download-cd
[05:59] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: looks cool
[06:17] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Reconstructor now does "Alt" disks.
[06:17] <_MMA_> I should post that to the spec.
[06:18] <LaserJock> cool
[06:19] <_MMA_> bah. No WIKI page yet. :(
[07:30] <afflux> If I have a source-package that creates two packages, one of them depends on lame, (which is in multiverse), one of them doesn't. would both go to multiverse or could one go to universe and the other to multi?
[07:30] <afflux> *multiverse
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afflux: they'd both go to multiverse
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afflux: as the source would
[07:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Why? One could go into universe, surely?
[07:31] <afflux> gah. so I would need two source-packages.
[07:31] <Fujitsu> Like a number of packages are partly in universe, partly in main.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true, but that's a seeding issue, iirc.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> which is different
[07:31] <Fujitsu> I don't see the issue, but you'd be better of asking an archive admin.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> afaik, the sources and binaries have to go into the same component, in most cases
[07:32] <afflux> hm, alright. it's not that complicated here, just some copy&pasting. I'll do two packages ;)
[07:32] <crimsun> afflux: is lame imperative?
[07:33] <crimsun> can you get away with a 'Suggests: lame' ?
[07:33] <afflux> no
[07:33] <crimsun> right, then have only one binary 'Depends: lame', and that will be the one package that resides in multiverse
[07:33] <afflux> I'll want to build a converter, ape2mp3 and ape2ogg.
[07:33] <crimsun> oh sheesh
[07:34] <crimsun> not monkey's audio
[07:34] <crimsun> that whole thing will go into multiverse, then
[07:34] <crimsun> last I checked, that entire pile doesn't have a Free license
[07:34] <afflux> this would be basicly a shell script starting "mac" (monkeys audio console utils) and the encoder.
[07:35] <crimsun> dilinger tried for ages to get upstream to use a Free license
[07:35] <afflux> hm. I see.
[07:35] <afflux> I wonder how they got that mac for linux package into sourcefourge.
[07:37] <crimsun> well, if it doesn't pass Debian, it's equally unlikely to pass Ubuntu
[07:38] <crimsun> granted, there are exceptions (e.g., firefox), but upstream has demonstrated an unwillingness to use Free
[07:39] <afflux> alright...
[07:41] <crimsun> have you also packaged monkey's audio?
[07:41] <afflux> yes
[07:41] <afflux> uploaded some time ago to revu
[07:41] <afflux> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4442
[09:20] <imbrandon> sf doesnt nessesarly mean it meets the dfsg, what we follow 98% of the time
[09:21] <imbrandon> ther are lots of projects on sf, including some MS shared source lic projects iirc
[09:21] <imbrandon> that wouldent make it into debian/ubuntu
[09:36] <afflux> oh, I thought sf is free-licenses only O.o
[09:41] <Amaranth> afflux: some licenses that sf allows are open source but not DFSG-Free
[09:42] <afflux> i see.
[10:48] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:57] <jekil> hi
[12:15] <white> lucas: hi, i had a short look at the mail you wrote to mia@ , but i could not find the two packages you mentioned and "dak ls" on merkel does not give me any information about them either :(
[12:16] <LongPointyStick> heya white
[12:19] <white> LongPointyStick: huhu :)
[12:19] <white> LongPointyStick: how is to goin?
[12:19] <LongPointyStick> white: good :)  it's hobbsee, btw
[12:19] <white> s/to/it/
[12:19] <white> i know, who else would have a long pointy stick? :)
[12:19] <LongPointyStick> ahhh
[12:19] <LongPointyStick> so you do know about that already
[12:20] <white> :)
[12:30] <Lutin> white: hay :). I updated kayali, it should be fine now. could you have a look at it when you have some time ?
[12:48] <imbrandon> crimsun, round?
[02:08] <white> Lutin: sure, sorry that i was a bit unresponsive, just send me an email with the information please
[02:08] <white> lucas: fenton and mechanix according to the mail
[02:09] <Lutin> white: ok
[02:59] <sacater> with debdiff, do you do 'debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc' or 'debdiff <new>.dsc <old>.dsc'
[03:00] <imbrandon> old new
[03:00] <sacater> imbrandon: ty
[03:12] <sacater> in debuild, what does the -S extension do
[03:13] <imbrandon> from the manpage, it says to build a source only package
[03:15] <sacater> imbrandon: cool, could you look at my debdiff on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747, and tell me whether it looks ok and can be used
[03:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,In progress]
[03:24] <zorglu_> q. naive question, when doing apt-get install, i got a "(Reading database ... " which is quite long and harmering the disk, why is it so long ?
[03:25] <geser> sacater: in the changelog: feisty and not unstable and you need to change the Maintainer in debian/control according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[03:26] <sacater> geser: ty ill get right on it
[03:27] <sacater> zorglu_: slow internet? slow cpu?
[03:28] <zorglu_> sacater: "reading database" is local only so it is not the internet (btw i download at 1mbyte/s), im just wondering how come it spend so much time reading a database
[03:28] <zorglu_> sacater: apparently the database contains 150000 file. which is quite small
[03:28] <sacater> zorglu_: erm, no thats rather large, anyway, is your HDD SATA, IDE?
[03:29] <zorglu_> i dunno :)
[03:29] <zorglu_> well in early 90, i was doing 10millions record in database without issue... so i guess that 17years later we can do as good :)
[03:30] <zorglu_> but ok, it was just out of curiosity
[03:30] <sacater> zorglu_: no no, its something to persue, it shouldnt hammer ur disk like you suggest
[03:30] <sacater> just CPU
[03:30] <sacater> if that
[03:31] <zorglu_> ok lets me retry and i will give you the cpu usage
[03:31] <sacater> ok
[03:31] <zorglu_> 4%
[03:31] <sacater> are you using gnome or XFCE?
[03:32] <zorglu_> i run kubuntu edgy
[03:33] <zorglu_> during the apt-get install it read the disk for a few second at 3-8mbyte/s
[03:33] <zorglu_> i guess it is due to the format of the database
[03:49] <esaym> what is the package name for the dev perl?
[03:50] <sacater> geser: okay done it all but the maintainer, do i change it to my name :D?
[03:50] <geser> sacater: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[03:50] <imbrandon><EMAIL_ADDRESS>as per the wiki
[03:51] <sacater> imbrandon: eh?
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:55] <geser> hi bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi geser
[04:37] <bddebian> Anyone familiar with mpichpython?
[06:54] <zul> is it just me or is vim acting strangely?
[07:03] <imbrandon> just you
[07:04] <imbrandon> because your the only vim user not converted to nano ;)
[07:04] <imbrandon> bwhahahah
[07:04] <imbrandon> sudo rm /usr/bin/vim && sudo ln -s /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/nano
[07:05] <jdong> is it just me or is emacs being a PITA?
[07:06] <jdong> imbrandon: that's something like what I did on my campus shell account...
[07:06] <jdong> only with emacs and vim.
[07:06] <imbrandon> ed ftw
[07:06] <jdong> sweet these servers do have ed!
[07:11] <sacater> can any MOTU please check my debdiff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[07:29] <sacater> can any MOTU please check my debdiff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747 and tell me whether it looks okay to be used
[07:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[07:35] <sacater> can any MOTU please check my debdiff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747 and tell me whether it looks okay to be used
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[07:42] <geser> sacater: please read the wiki page about the maintainer again, you got it wrong
[07:42] <ScottK> sacater: Looking at your debdiff, it looks like the Debian maintainer moved xmms from Debends to Enhances and you are moving it back.  Why was the Debian maintainer wrong to do that?
[08:23] <sacater> ScottK: er dunno......................
[08:24] <sacater> geser: i got this xmms-midi package from apt-get source xmms-midi, therefore do you have ANY idea what should go into maintainer
[08:24] <ScottK> sacater: I dunno either, but I'd suggest that before you do undo what the Debian maintainer just did, you understand why he did it.
[08:26] <sacater> ScottK: erm what..... i hav'nt 'undone' anything, ive just modified one file, the changelog, and i have no clue as to what i do about maintainer
[08:29] <sacater> geser: i made a large modification to the latest TEA package under guidence of LaserJock, and he seemed to think that leaving the original maintainer was fine
[08:29] <sacater> geser: didnt complain about it in the lest
[08:30] <ScottK> sacater: The previous entry in the Debian changelog says that xmms was moved from depends to enhances.  You are moving it back.
[08:31] <sacater> ScottK: ah
[08:31] <sacater> oh sugar
[08:31] <ScottK> So, before you (essentially) remove the Debian maintainers last change, understand why he did what he did and have an explanation of why it's wrong.
[08:32] <sacater> ScottK: im new, what exactly does that mean,
[08:32] <sacater> ok go on
[08:32] <ScottK> Your debdiff moves xmms from enhances to depends, correct?
[08:33] <sacater> whats enhances :S, ive only ever heard of depends
[08:33] <ScottK> The entry right below yours in the debian/changelog says, "* Move xmms to Enhances"
[08:33] <sacater> yes
[08:33] <ScottK> So, in his last upload, the Debian maintainer moved xmms from depends to enhances.
[08:33] <ScottK> Your patch puts it back.
[08:33] <sacater> what is enhances?
[08:34] <sacater> i have nfc what that is
[08:35] <sladen> sacater: then you definately shouldn't be undoing it without understanding that first :)
[08:36] <sacater> sladen: good point, i was eager to help with that bug report
[08:37] <ScottK> sacater: I can't find a good explanation to point you at.
[08:37] <sacater> ScottK: i googled and neither could it
[08:37] <sacater> I*
[08:37] <ScottK> It may be that enhances is just plain wrong, but I'm not experienced enough myself to know.
[08:37] <sladen> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps
[08:38] <sacater> sladen: thank you
[08:38] <ScottK> sladen: Thanks.  I looked in the policy manual and missed that.
[08:38] <sladen> sacater: generally I'd be /EXTREMELY/ hesitant about reversing a change like that
[08:38] <sacater> sladen: ScottK: got it, it 'enhances' xmms
[08:39] <sladen> sacater: what is the package you're working on?
[08:39] <sacater> sladen: agreed, ill think about closing the bug report once ive read the web page
[08:39] <sacater> sladen: one mo...
[08:39] <sacater> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-midi/+bug/86747
[08:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86747 in xmms-midi "xmms-midi should have xmms as dependency" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[08:40] <sacater> yeh look
[08:40] <sacater> Source: xmms-midi
[08:40] <sacater> Maintainer: Paul Wise<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:40] <sacater> Section: sound
[08:40] <sacater> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.0), autotools-dev, xmms-dev
[08:40] <sacater> Priority: optional
[08:40] <sacater> Standards-Version: 3.6.2
[08:40] <sacater> Package: xmms-midi
[08:40] <sacater> Architecture: any
[08:40] <sacater> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, xmms
[08:40] <sacater> Enhances: xmms
[08:40] <sacater> Recommends: freepats
[08:40] <sacater> Description: MIDI plugin for XMMS
[08:40] <sladen> sacater: the Maintainer field must now be<EMAIL_ADDRESS> or you can have the packaging system change that
[08:40] <sacater>  This plugin enables XMMS to play MIDI files through Timidity.
[08:40] <sacater> it has enhances
[08:40] <sacater> ive added xmms to depends as you can se
[08:40] <sladen> sacater: flood--
[08:40] <sacater> sladen: yeh i know
[08:41] <sacater> ive seen worse floods
[08:42] <sacater> sladen: as it is said in 'enhances' shall i add that to the bug report, then confirm it as fix releaseed :S
[08:43] <sladen> sacater: or Rejected, yes
[08:44] <sacater> sladen: yeh, but thanks to you and ScottK, i now know what to look out for in the future
[08:44] <sacater> thanks :P
[08:44] <sladen> sacater: it might need to depend on timidity, I'm not sure
[08:45] <sacater> sladen: no, earlier in the changelog it ruled that out, as xmms comes with its own version, and so does xmms-midi
[08:45] <sladen> own versin of timidity?
[08:47] <sacater> yeh
[08:47] <sacater> what irc client are you using?
[08:47] <sladen> irssi, how come?
[08:47] <sacater> oh. i was going to send you the changelog but irssi dosnt support file transfer
[08:47] <sacater> sladen: jabber?
[08:49] <sladen> sacater: I was going to go to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/  but it appears to be down
[08:51] <sladen> +  * Use an external version of timidity instead of the internal one
[08:51] <sladen> +
[08:51] <sladen> + -- Paul Wise<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:24:59 +0800
[08:51] <sladen> ?
[08:54] <tsmithe> hmm... kqemu is still in multiverse.. but i can't be bothered to get the now open sources to package them up
[08:54] <tsmithe> so i'll be quiet now
[08:55] <sladen> you should be able to pull it from Debian
[08:55] <sladen> tsmithe: it was up in Debian within ~24hours I think
[08:55] <tsmithe> :S
[08:55] <tsmithe> they have more people :P
[08:56] <sladen> tsmithe: never, ever, duplicate work
[08:56] <tsmithe> very true ;)
[08:56] <sladen> if a sync from Debian is what is needed, request that
[09:08] <zorglu_> q. when i do "dpkg --build debian/tmp" in a debian/rules, i got this weird message during it "tar: -: file name read contains nul character", any idea where it comes from ?
[09:08] <zorglu_> this appears just before the "dpkg-genchanges -B"
[10:36] <Seveas> shawarma, you around?
[10:36] <shawarma> Seveas: Oui.
[10:36] <Seveas> great
[10:36] <shawarma> Thank you.
[10:36] <Seveas> you're the network-manager + vpnc wiz, right?
[10:37] <shawarma> That't the theory, yes.
[10:37] <Seveas> mind helping me with it?
[10:37] <shawarma> Not at all. Shoot.
[10:37] <Seveas> I can connect with vpnc to my universities network, but with exactly the same parameters, nm+vpnc fails
[10:38] <Seveas> I immediately get the response that it cannot connect to the server
[10:38] <shawarma> Interesting.
[10:38] <Seveas> no idea how to debug
[10:38] <Lathiat> lucky, vpnc never worked at my uni :( fortunately the cisco official ones worked
[10:39] <shawarma> Seveas: If I'm not much mistaken, it writes its output to syslog.
[10:39] <shawarma> Seveas: Hm.... Have you restarted NetworkManager since you installed the plugin?
[10:39] <Seveas> rebooted
[10:39] <shawarma> mkay.
[10:39] <Seveas> otherwise the newly created vpn connection didn't even show up in the lsit
[10:40] <shawarma> No, I've got a patch for that already.
[10:40] <shawarma> Seveas: Did you set up the connectio manually or did you import a pcf?
[10:40] <Seveas> tried both
[10:40] <shawarma> Is the connection name by any chance really long?
[10:40] <Seveas> only if 3 letters is long
[10:40] <shawarma> Or contains "interesting" characters?
[10:41] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8679/
[10:41] <shawarma> Seveas: Ah.
[10:41] <Seveas> UvA
[10:42] <Seveas> don't know how to interpret most of that log, maybe you can?
[10:43] <shawarma> There's really not much to work with.
[10:44] <Seveas> I'll pester the NM mailinglist :)
[10:44] <shawarma> just a sec, I'll try connecting to my university to compare log files.
[10:48] <shawarma> Seveas: I'll put my log file on the pastebin. Just a minute.
[10:49] <shawarma> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8681/
[10:53] <Seveas> DOH!
[10:54] <shawarma> Is vpnc still running?
[10:54] <Seveas> I swapped password and group password
[10:54] <shawarma> Oh. That helped? Not a very helpful error message..
[10:55] <Seveas> yeah that helped it works now
[10:57] <shawarma> Seveas: It really should give a better error message..
[10:57] <Seveas> yeah
[10:58] <shawarma> Seveas: Could you do me a favour and file a bug about it? I'll look at it tomorrow evening then.
[11:01] <Seveas> bug 89735
[11:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89735 in network-manager-vpnc "Bogus error messages in case of user stupidity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89735
[11:01] <Seveas> shawarma, --^
[11:04] <shawarma> I've got a patch already. :-)
[11:09] <shawarma> Seveas: Are you on amd64 or i386?
[11:10] <Seveas> 386
[11:11] <shawarma> Seveas: Alright. I've got an updated vpnc package that might fix it. Would you mind testing it?
[11:13] <shawarma> Seveas: Check your mail.
[11:34] <Seveas> shawarma, sorry for the delay
[11:34] <Seveas> excellent, much better error message
[11:37] <shawarma> Seveas: Great. I'll upload it right away.


[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <benonsoftware> Afternoon dholbach
[06:45] <dholbach> hey benonsoftware
[06:46] <benonsoftware> How's it going dholbach?
[06:47] <dholbach> benonsoftware, very well - I came from a hiking trip last night - it was all so nice and quiet :)
[06:47] <dholbach> I just uploaded some pictures earlier: https://plus.google.com/photos/109795858099658821877/albums/5869554657403717009
[06:47] <benonsoftware> Nice. :)
[06:49] <benonsoftware> Looks great. :D
[06:49] <dholbach> yeah, it is a beautiful place and I can well imagine making use of my hiking boots more in the next time :)
[06:50] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[06:53] <benonsoftware> I'm going good, just had my first week back at school.
[07:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:44] <popey> Morning!
[07:59] <dholbach> hey dpm, czajkowski, popey
[07:59] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:59] <dpm> and everyone
[07:59]  * smartboyhw waves for an after school
[07:59] <dholbach> hi smartboyhw
[11:26] <dholbach> can somebody please help out and review the pages marked as "needs review" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite?
[11:26] <dholbach> it'd be much appreciated (and not too much work)
[11:27] <smartboyhw> dholbach, em I will try to review some parts;P
[11:27] <dholbach> thanks
[11:30] <smartboyhw> dholbach, confirming: The governance page is just copying right?
[11:31] <dholbach> eh?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> dholbach, it looks like so:P
[11:31] <dholbach> TBH I don't exactly know who provided the content
[11:31] <dholbach> it looked good to me, but I thought it'd be good if somebody looked over it once more
[11:32] <smartboyhw> dholbach, looking at Translations.
[11:32] <dholbach> cool
[11:35] <smartboyhw> dholbach, translation is OK except I added (United States) beside English
[11:35] <smartboyhw> After all there is English (United Kingdom)
[11:36] <dholbach> hum
[11:36] <dholbach> dpm ^
[11:36]  * dholbach doesn't want to get dragged into decisions like this :-)
[11:37] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:38] <dpm> smartboyhw, dholbach, I'd suggest following the same approach as the rest of the platform and provide en-US documentation as the source, and then have any other translations in addition. This means en-US does not need to be added as a translation
[11:39] <smartboyhw> dpm, no it means translating English (US) to other lang
[11:40] <dpm> smartboyhw, ah, I see. This is just an overview. I don't think we need to be that specific there, I think saying just English should be fine
[11:40] <smartboyhw> dpm, OK
[11:40]  * smartboyhw deletes:P
[11:40] <dpm> smartboyhw, no worries, thanks a lot for reviewing!
[11:47] <dholbach> smartboyhw, feel free to update the wiki with new statuses
[11:47] <smartboyhw> dholbach, laters.
[11:47] <smartboyhw> I might help to do support ones
[11:47] <dholbach> great! :)
[11:47] <dholbach> fantastic
[11:47] <dholbach> some of the pieces of text just need a little bit of additional work
[11:48] <smartboyhw> dholbach, yep. it's missing the Forums and the Answers (detailed explanation) though
[11:48] <dholbach> smartboyhw, I saw some of them mentioned in other places though
[11:48] <smartboyhw> dholbach, oh.
[11:49] <smartboyhw> Forums is really a good way
[11:49] <smartboyhw> To contribute
[11:50] <dholbach> yeah
[11:59] <popey> dholbach: did you setup a hangout on air for tvoss?
[11:59] <popey> I scheduled one with him and others for today at 18:00 UTC
[11:59] <dholbach> popey, no, what was it going to be about?
[11:59] <popey> client sensor service
[12:00] <popey> what's the one tomorrow?
[12:00] <dholbach> 2013-04-23 14:00 UTC: Ricardo Salveti, Tony Espy, Michael Frey, Loïc Minier, Thomas Voß and Seth Forshee will talk about how to handle sensors in Ubuntu in general.
[12:00] <popey> wtf
[12:00] <dholbach> that's what rsalveti told me last week
[12:00] <dholbach> I never heard about the one for tvoss for today
[12:00] <popey> tvoss asked me to set it up too
[12:00] <popey> its that very same one
[12:00] <dholbach> I even invited everyone through gcal
[12:00] <popey> so did i
[12:00] <dholbach> 18 utc I can't make today
[12:01] <dholbach> I'm happy to delete the other one if necessary
[12:01] <popey> hang fire
[12:02] <popey> dholbach: deleted mine
[12:03] <dholbach> great
[12:03] <dholbach> glad that's resolved
[12:03] <czajkowski> if only everything was that simple :)
[12:06]  * dholbach takes the dog for a walk and goes to buy some tea
[12:06] <popey> \o/ tea
[12:06] <dholbach> yeah, totally ran out
[13:28] <dholbach> popey, tea! :)
[13:29] <dholbach> anyone who wants to help review a few pieces of text for the new community web site? :)
[13:47] <dholbach> hey tiagoscd
[13:48] <dholbach> bom dia
[13:49] <dholbach> mhall119, the test instance of the community website uses the markdown plugin right?
[13:51] <dholbach> popey, the hangout got moved an hour earlier on tvoss' request - JFYI
[13:52] <tiagoscd> hey dholbach
[13:52] <tiagoscd> how are u? :)
[13:53] <dholbach> doing well - thanks :)
[13:53] <dholbach> how about you?
[13:53] <tiagoscd> all right, thanks
[13:53] <tiagoscd> :-)
[13:53] <tiagoscd> I received your email today
[13:54] <tiagoscd> thanks for reply the interview and sorry for not reply your last emails
[13:54] <dholbach> no worries
[13:54] <dholbach> it took me ages to reply to yours in the first place :)
[13:55] <tiagoscd> my team are on vacation here on work, I'm having a hard month
[13:55] <dholbach> damn - they're all gone for a months?
[13:56] <tiagoscd> just for april
[13:56] <dholbach> another week then :)
[13:56]  * dholbach hugs tiagoscd
[13:57] <tiagoscd> dholbach: thanks, I need some hugs, heheh
[13:57] <dholbach> we all do :)
[13:57] <dholbach> hey jono
[13:58] <jono> hey
[13:58] <jono> hey dholbach
[13:58] <mhall119> dholbach: yes, it uses the markdown plugin
[13:58] <dholbach> jcastro, I heard you like markdown...........................
[13:58] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[13:59] <tiagoscd> dholbach: :-)
[13:59] <dholbach> jcastro, how do I do
bla text
more text bla bla bla
? :)
[14:04] <jcastro> morning!
[14:04] <jcastro> you do it like this, first a blank line
[14:04] <jcastro> then
[14:04] <jcastro> - bullet point one
[14:04] <jcastro> - bullet point 2
[14:04] <jcastro> but you need a full blank line ahead of them
[14:04] <jcastro> everytime you need a br do a full blank line
[14:05] <jcastro> dholbach: http://askubuntu.com/editing-help
[14:05] <jcastro> but after a while you just memorize it
[14:05] <dholbach> jcastro, cool - I'll try that out
[14:10] <dholbach> jcastro, ok, that seems to generally work, but wordpress' markdown plugin seems to do some autoformatting of what I put into the textbox, so it doesn't work
[14:10] <smartboyhw> elfy, can you add some Ubuntu Forums thing into http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-support ?
[14:10] <elfy> why?
[14:10] <elfy> what is it?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> elfy, the Community website for Ubuntu.
[14:11] <smartboyhw> dholbach is leading the effort to rewrite it.
[14:11] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, mhall119 can you please take a look at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-community-ubuntu-13.04-month-6.html - I want to get thi under control in the next few days
[14:11] <smartboyhw> And it misses the Ubuntu Forums part for the suport
[14:11] <elfy> doesn't mean anything to me - I have no idea what you're talking about smartboyhw
[14:12] <dholbach> jono, yep
[14:12] <jcastro> hmmm
[14:12] <jono> it looks like dpm has the most TODOs
[14:12] <jcastro> where are my items?
[14:12] <jono> what a slacker
[14:12] <jono> lol
[14:12] <jcastro> oh
[14:12] <jcastro> mine are on the other one
[14:12] <jono> jcastro, actually you are fine
[14:12] <jcastro> which probably looks like this
[14:12] <smartboyhw> elfy, ....
[14:12] <jcastro> "Nice burndown, I like how it looks like a flat top."
[14:13] <smartboyhw> dholbach, ^ please explain....
[14:13] <dpm> jono, otp, I know, sorry working on it :/
[14:13] <dholbach> elfy, so we had ubuntu.com/community for a while, which went out of date and generally wasn't very inviting
[14:13] <dholbach> elfy, so we're re-doing it and it will be a separate site - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite shows the current progress on things
[14:13] <jono> dpm, np :-)
[14:14] <jcastro> dholbach: I've not used the WP plugin, it doesn't have a raw markdown mode like it does for the normal thing?
[14:14] <dholbach> elfy, smartboyhw said it'd be nice to include some informations about the forums there too
[14:14] <jcastro> dholbach: what's answers.ubuntu.com?
[14:14] <dholbach> jcastro, yeah, but when you hit the "update" button it does some autoformatting business
[14:14] <elfy> dholbach: I'll talk to FC about it and we'll look at it - but quite frankly we don't ever feel to be part of your community
[14:14] <dholbach> jcastro, I don't know - I assume whoever put it in there meant answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[14:15] <jcastro> I figured too
[14:15] <dholbach> elfy?
[14:15] <dholbach> elfy, what do you mean by "part of your community"?
[14:15] <dholbach> jcastro, do you have a link to the page where that's on?
[14:15] <jcastro> smartboyhw: I assume you did the AU section?
[14:15] <dholbach> jcastro, nevermind - found it
[14:16] <dholbach> and fixed it
[14:18] <smartboyhw> ..............
[14:18] <smartboyhw> jcastro, not me
[14:18] <smartboyhw> jcastro, probably jrgifford
[14:18] <jcastro> elfy: we should put something good on the page so people know how to get to use and use the forums
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Dunno
[14:19] <elfy> jcastro: we will
[14:20] <jcastro> popey: man, spotify is awesome, I don't know why I put it off until now
[14:20] <jcastro> it's like super-pandora
[14:20] <dholbach> thanks elfy - as this page will be quite prominent, it should help a lot of new folks find the forums
[14:20] <elfy> dholbach: I've bookmarked it, not working for a couple of days - will look then
[14:20]  * dholbach hugs elfy
[14:20] <elfy> dholbach: sort of like it used to be when you installed from the iso ;)
[14:21] <dholbach> elfy, no, this time it will be a GOOD, very prominent page ;-)
[14:21] <elfy> I has logs now :D
[14:21] <dholbach> elfy, it's a community effort, so let's make it happen together :)
[14:22] <elfy> we've been trying to do that for almost 10 years ;)
[14:22] <dholbach> dpm, with the community website being a wordpress site with individual pages for all the bits of text, do I assume rightly that making translations happen would be something like adding the same amount of subpages for every language manually?
[14:23] <elfy> dholbach: anyway - I'll talk to those who need to be talked with and work on it over next couple of days
[14:23] <dholbach> elfy, all work on it will be appreciated :)
[14:23] <dholbach> rock on!
[14:35] <jcastro> bkerensa: ping!
[14:39] <popey> mhall119: come back, all is forgiven!
[14:45] <dholbach> jono, do you think you could add an original Jono Bacon quote® to http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-frontpage? not sure who brought up the idea, but I think it's a good one :)
[14:46] <jcastro> heh
[14:47] <smartboyhw> dholbach, I finished the Answers part of the support page.
[14:48] <dholbach> smartboyhw, and? what's your verdict? better than my usual /quit message? :-P
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Should we ask somebody from the IRC Council to do the "You can do support in #ubuntu too!"
[14:48] <smartboyhw> dholbach, that's much better:P
[14:48] <dholbach> smartboyhw, so apart from the #ubuntu bit we're ready to go on that one?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> dholbach, but why is Join an Ubuntu Local Community team and help people near you! http://loco.ubuntu.com
[14:49] <smartboyhw> as a support thign?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> s/thign/thing/
[14:49] <dholbach> people in your local group can help you, no?
[14:49] <dholbach> it might not be the most immediate option, but I saw how many in Berlin found it helpful
[14:50] <smartboyhw> dholbach, add it to the last thing then. sadly I know nothing about LoCos. maybe czajkowski can help?
[14:50] <dholbach> some carried their Desktop computers and CRT monitors to meetings just so somebody could fix them :)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> He's after all in the LoCo Council:p
[14:51] <dholbach> s/He/She :)
[14:51] <coolbhavi> dholbach, :-)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> dholbach, sorry I forgotten:P
[14:51] <dholbach> but coolbhavi might be able to help as well
[14:51] <dholbach> he's on the LoCo Council too
[14:52] <smartboyhw> dholbach, speaking about this: We really should run a script out of http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-help-keepup-blogs :P
[14:52] <dholbach> one step at a time
[14:52] <czajkowski> someone ping me
[14:52] <czajkowski> what's up
[14:52] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, yeah!
[14:52] <dholbach> for now I think it's important that we get something out there
[14:52] <smartboyhw> dholbach, :)
[14:52] <dholbach> we can add all kinds of crazy stuff later
[14:52] <coolbhavi> dholbach, any help required?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-support we would like to ask you to add some LoCo support thing in http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-support
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Oops:P
[14:53] <smartboyhw> coolbhavi, 6
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ^
[14:53]  * smartboyhw bangs his keyboard
[14:53] <czajkowski> coolbhavi: SergioMenesesAFK https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite  we should talk alater about this
[14:53]  * czajkowski gives smartboyhw a cup of tea, relax
[14:53] <dholbach> hugs!
[14:53] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, :)
[14:53] <smartboyhw> dholbach, where's that *test instance* BTW?
[14:54] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, ah :-)
[14:54] <dholbach> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:54] <dholbach> smartboyhw, ^
[14:54] <smartboyhw> dholbach, I would like to be added as contact for the support page then:)
[14:54] <smartboyhw> If you don't mind:)
[14:54] <dholbach> smartboyhw, feel free to add yourself to the wiki
[14:54] <dholbach> the more the merrier
[14:55] <smartboyhw> dholbach, I would change the status of the translations page to "Needs copying (to test instance) then"
[14:55] <dholbach> cool
[14:55] <coolbhavi> dholbach, cool website btw :-)
[14:55] <dholbach> progress *\o/*
[14:56] <elfy> it's usually a good thing :p
[14:56] <czajkowski> coolbhavi: you around at 17:30 UTC today ?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> dholbach, done \o/
[14:57] <dholbach> yeehaw
[14:57] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, ll try to be as it will be 23.00 here
[14:57] <czajkowski> coolbhavi: ah no worries, tomrorwo when you'r eonline shout and we can do a hangout and catch up
[14:57] <czajkowski> tuesday has to be less busy than monday
[14:57] <elfy> dholbach: do you know who I need to talk to to get something changed on the fridge calendar?
[14:57] <dholbach> elfy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar#Adding_Events_to_the_Calendar
[14:58] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, sure btw I am replying to your mail
[14:58] <elfy> not add - change :)
[14:58] <elfy> dholbach: ^^
[14:58] <dholbach> I think that's the way you change things too
[14:58] <czajkowski> coolbhavi: cool
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Where's balloons?:(
[14:58] <dholbach> smartboyhw, ill
[14:58] <dholbach> not around today AFAIK
[14:58] <smartboyhw> dholbach, srsly? :(
[14:58] <dholbach> yes
[14:59] <czajkowski> smartboyhw: we are allowed holidays :)
[14:59] <jono> dpm, will be just a min, baby transition in process
[14:59] <jono> dholbach, surely, will get a quite together
[14:59]  * smartboyhw would want somebody to remove the QA meetings in the Fridge calendar, it wasn't held for a full cycle
[14:59] <elfy> dholbach: mmm - not sure how that would work then - but thanks anyway
[14:59] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, I know.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Just wondering:(
[14:59] <dholbach> elfy, the people in #ubuntu-news might be able to help out
[14:59] <dpm> jono, np :)
[14:59] <elfy> dholbach: k - thanks
[15:04] <dholbach> smartboyhw, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/contribute/translations/
[15:04] <smartboyhw> dholbach, Whoa! GREAT!@
[15:04] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:05] <smartboyhw> BTW is this the Catalan -l10n team working?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> I mean the photo in the link
[15:05] <dholbach> smartboyhw, yes, if it's dpm in there, that's the Catalan mafia
[15:05] <smartboyhw> dholbach, :P he is:P
[15:05] <dholbach> smartboyhw, :-)
[15:06] <dholbach> smartboyhw, and now... one piece of text at a time :-D
[15:15] <smartboyhw> dholbach, :-D
[15:16] <dholbach> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/help-information/meeting-other-ubuntu-users/local-communities/
[15:17] <dholbach> I like it... there's more and more green on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite now :)
[15:17] <smartboyhw> dholbach, \o/
[15:17] <smartboyhw> put green and green together: That's DONE:P
[15:19] <czajkowski> dholbach: deep down you;re irish with your love of green :)
[15:19] <dholbach> I must be :)
[15:19] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, +1
[15:20]  * dholbach is wearing a green hoodie today
[15:20] <elfy> dholbach: thanks - fridge all sorted
[15:20] <dholbach> elfy, rock!
[15:20] <smartboyhw> dholbach, give us a photo of you wearing it:P
[15:21]  * smartboyhw can (sort of) tease dholbach then:P
[15:26] <dholbach> smartboyhw, http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/2013-04-22-172438.jpg - good enough? that's the best I could get out of "cheese"
[15:26] <smartboyhw> dholbach, you rather look like Tom Cruise in this one:P
[15:26] <elfy> it's a bit green dholbach :|
[15:26] <elfy> who wears green :p
[15:26] <dholbach> elfy, yeah, that's what the discussion above was about :)
[15:26]  * smartboyhw directs amplified laughter at dholbach :P
[15:27] <dholbach> elfy, it's Spring - got to start wearing some colours again! :)
[15:27] <smartboyhw> dholbach, should I ping someone from IRCC to help add the IRC help things into the "support" thing? (You haven't answered:))
[15:27] <smartboyhw> dholbach, green is really a good colour in spring
[15:27] <elfy> dholbach: +1 to that
[15:27] <dholbach> sure
[15:28] <dholbach> smartboyhw, sure :)
[15:28] <elfy> dholbach: I need the lamp :)
[15:28] <dholbach> the lamp?
[15:32] <elfy> dholbach: looks like a lamp by the window :)
[15:32] <dholbach> ahhh yes :)
[15:33] <dholbach> IIRC it was a present, but I think you can get it in every IKEA store
[15:33] <elfy> I just need the outside - cat thought it useful as a scratching post one evening :(
[15:33] <smartboyhw> dholbach: IKEA is very popular in HK.
[15:34] <dholbach> elfy, ugh, I can imagine how the lamp looked afterwards
[15:34] <elfy> indeed ;)
[15:34] <dholbach> smartboyhw, that seems to be the same everywhere :)
[15:34] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:34] <elfy> possibly not burma
[15:37] <smartboyhw> elfy: And North Korea:P
[15:38] <dholbach> probably the next easy ones from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite are all the ones which are "needs review"
[15:39] <dholbach> if somebody could skim through them and give me a +1, I'll copy them over as well
[15:40] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Looking
[15:41] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Development looks really awesome and detailed:) +1
[15:41] <dholbach> yeehaw
[15:44] <smartboyhw> dholbach: For documentation, I'm unsure about the last part.
[15:45] <dholbach> smartboyhw, can you leave a comment in the pad page and/or on the wiki?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> The BT has been inactive for quite a while. It's getting revived now, but they are calling on removing focus groups
[15:45] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Can't now in mobile.
[15:46] <dholbach> ok
[15:46] <dholbach> smartboyhw, do you know who we could contact about the beginners team's focus groups?
[15:46] <elfy> I do
[15:47] <smartboyhw> dholbach… Ask elfy, the Forums guys are experts in BT. +1 for the OnAir pages, BTW.
[15:48] <dholbach> smartboyhw, 谢谢
[15:48] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Wow thanks for saying thank you in Chinese. Let me translate Thank You into German first:P
[15:48] <dholbach> "danke" :)
[15:49] <elfy> dholbach: I'll check out BT doc stuff for you
[15:49] <dholbach> elfy, perfect - I think smartboyhw was referring to one of the last paragraphs in http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-documentation
[15:49] <elfy> yea - saw it
[15:49] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Danke! And as for the governance thing, although it's copied it's still good nowadays.
[15:50] <smartboyhw> So +1
[15:50] <dholbach> smartboyhw, perfect
[15:50] <dholbach> let me update the page
[15:50] <dholbach> smartboyhw, 多谢 - let's see how translate.google.com pronounces it and let's see how long I can remember it ;-)
[15:51] <smartboyhw> dholbach: :-)
[15:52] <elfy> dholbach: mailed someone who should know, I'll deal with the page as soon as I know
[15:52] <dholbach> elfy, thanks a bunch!
[15:52] <dholbach> I like the look of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite now
[15:52] <dholbach> looks like we're actually getting somewhere :)
[15:53] <smartboyhw> dholbach: :)
[15:54] <elfy> dholbach: you know if I'm online I'm usually about - if you needed something reviewing, looking at I'm usually also happy to help where I can ;)
[15:54] <dholbach> excellent
[15:54] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:55] <dholbach> if we get the missing content together quickly, we should hopefully be able to get a database dump of the test instance copied into a real site
[15:55] <dholbach> which would give us a very nice first cut of community.u.c
[15:55] <dholbach> and then we can go about adding all the crazy ideas :)
[15:55] <smartboyhw> dholbach: LOL
[15:56] <smartboyhw> dholbach: What sort of crazy ideas we have in the queue? ;P
[15:57] <dholbach> too many, as always ;)
[15:57] <smartboyhw> dholbach: ROFL
[15:57] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, I wasn't ignoring you, I've been in calls until now. Wordpress does not fully support translations, but we could install a plugin so that translations are a bit nicer to do than publishing separate pages. I have to remind myself of which plugin was it which could do that, and it would then serve the right page according to the browser language
[15:58] <dpm> smartboyhw, indeed, that was the Catalan team at work :)
[15:58] <dholbach> dpm, I'll drop you an email
[15:58] <dpm> cool
[15:58] <smartboyhw> dpm: :)
[16:00] <dholbach> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/contribute/developers/
[16:00] <dholbach> and now call time
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, dpm, mhall119 call
[16:01] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Nice page!
[16:50] <dpm> dholbach, the developers page on the community site is looking good!
[16:51] <dholbach> dpm, yeah, we're slowly getting there :)
[16:51] <dpm> oh, and the other ones too :)
[16:56] <dholbach> more green: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite :-)
[16:57] <dholbach> all right
[16:57] <dholbach> time to get some dinner and get outside for a bit :)
[16:57] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[18:57] <bkerensa> jono: any word on the certs?
[18:58] <jono> bkerensa, not yet
[18:58] <jono> bkerensa, getting close, just finalizing the new budgets
[18:58] <jono> and then I can pull the trigger
[18:58] <bkerensa> :D
[18:58] <jono> few things blocked on the budgets right now
[19:39] <czajkowski> pleia2: I can't see you :( https://twitter.com/OpenStack/status/326419670687162368/photo/1
[19:40] <czajkowski> I can see Julie from ireland there though :D
[19:42] <pleia2> czajkowski: I'm below the woman with the red jacket
[19:42]  * elfy thought so - but wasn't going to join in :)
[19:56] <jono> jcastro, can we push back our call a little while I finish something up?
[19:56] <jcastro> sure
[20:01] <jono> thanks, jcastro
[20:04] <czajkowski> pleia2: ohhh
[20:04] <czajkowski> pleia2: my mate julie is the one with the redhat on her
[20:04] <czajkowski> we were in college together.
[20:09] <pleia2> cool
[20:27] <jono> jcastro, free now?
[20:28] <jcastro> yep
[20:28] <jcastro> let me pause the MEGADETH.
[20:28] <jcastro> joining
[20:29] <jono> jcastro, joining now
[21:08] <bkerensa> jcastro: the juju video still going strong :)
[21:13] <jcastro> \o/
[21:16] <bkerensa> jcastro the juju evangelist: https://plus.google.com/115750270177636397262/posts/7Z42ea5vRTc
[21:16] <bkerensa> :D