[01:02] <mbiebl> Has anyone used upstart in combination with selinux?
[01:02] <mbiebl> I don't use selinux myself, I was just wondering.
[01:16] <ajmitch> mbiebl: yes, I have a hacked up patch for that to finish cleaning
[01:16] <mbiebl> ajmitch: cool, was it much effort to add selinux support?
[01:17] <mbiebl> Will you try to push the patch upstream?
[01:18] <ajmitch> not much effort & yes, of course
[01:20] <mbiebl> cool
[03:17] <frinov> hi. trying to figure out where default runlevel is set in edgy. looking thru /etc/event.d
[04:41] <matteo> can upstart handle dependencies?
[04:48] <_ion> He was in a hurry.
[04:57] <AlexExtreme> yeah...
[04:58] <AlexExtreme> it annoys me when people do that, they don't even give you a chance to answer :/
[05:01] <_ion> It's more amusing than annoying to me. :-)
[05:01] <AlexExtreme> heh
[06:02] <Fry-kun> ookay.. so i got the system booting..
[06:03] <Fry-kun> turned out that i didn't change enough in the config files - telinit and shutdown need to point to their /usr/local/sbin/ variants
[06:03] <Fry-kun> i see no major problems in /var/log/boot
[06:04] <Fry-kun> but i still don't get gdm greeter :(
[06:04] <AlexExtreme> hold on, i know why :)
[06:04] <Fry-kun> if i log into the text terminal and run startx, it works with no problem
[06:04] <AlexExtreme> you have an rc5 file, right?
[06:04] <Fry-kun> yes
[06:05] <Keybuk> does "runlevel" say 5 or 2?
[06:05] <AlexExtreme> ok, hold on
[06:07] <Fry-kun> Keybuk: booted with a standard fc5 method right now - will try next time i boot with upstart
[06:08] <AlexExtreme> Fry-kun: http://pastebin.com/820508 - put that in a event.d/dm
[06:08] <AlexExtreme> next time you boot you should get gdm
[06:09] <Keybuk> oh, does Fedora start X from inittab?
[06:09] <Fry-kun> okay, sounds good
[06:10] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk: yes, frugalware does too
[06:10] <AlexExtreme> it's to get it to respawn if gdm dies
[06:12] <Keybuk> cool
[06:13] <wasabi_> Keybuk: Your upstart stuff ever going to come up? Want to just pick some time and do it?
[06:14] <wasabi_> The scheduler seems to be angry.
[06:14] <Keybuk> wasabi: I appear to have a free afternoon ;)
[06:14] <Keybuk> want to go over the stuff iwj did again
[06:14] <Keybuk> and then talk about the job state stuff
[06:15] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[06:15] <wasabi_> My only booking this afternoon is some java stuff at 15:00
[06:15] <wasabi_> Anytime after or before is cool.
[06:16] <wasabi_> Does ian have a draft of the syntax anywhere?
[06:16] <Keybuk> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/d/upstart.text
[06:16] <Keybuk> it's complete crack, of course
[06:16] <wasabi_> that guy's a nut. but pretty cool.
[06:17] <Keybuk> smart, but ... odd
[06:17] <wasabi_> like the rest of us.
[06:17] <Fry-kun> AlexExtreme: by the way, about that advice from the mailing list (to set PATH to /usr/local/sbin first).. combined with different paths for getty, rc, et.al. in various distros - wouldn't it be easier on the end users if the paths were included from some upstart config file?
[06:18] <AlexExtreme> no
[06:18] <AlexExtreme> the preferred way would be to have a set of job files that work with different distros (in my opinion, of course)
[06:19] <wasabi_> My concern with ian's stuff is it's Very Complicated.
[06:20] <wasabi_> Both to implement and for a user to understand.
[06:20] <Keybuk> yeah
[06:20] <Keybuk> and I think we can implements ian's stuff with /bin/sh :)
[06:20] <wasabi_> Yeah. Heh.
[06:20] <Keybuk> on ...
[06:20] <Keybuk> script
[06:20] <Keybuk>  ...
[06:20] <Keybuk> end script
[06:20] <Keybuk> would have the same effect
[06:20] <Keybuk> we just need an "initctl wait-for"
[06:20] <wasabi_> ian: "It must represent any state machine."
[06:20] <wasabi_> me: "Why?"
[06:21] <wasabi_> I don't think I like the idea of upstart tracking state of things on the system anyways. The idea of a simple event system is appealing.
[06:21] <wasabi_> And any knowledge upstart has is out of date.
[06:21] <Keybuk> indeed
[06:22] <Fry-kun> Alex: but /usr/local vs / will still be there, do you want to maintain a copy for each distro for each install version? or make users change 20 files just to start the system?
[06:22] <AlexExtreme> well...
[06:23] <AlexExtreme> upstart is an init system, it will require some DIY, as with any other init system :)
[06:23] <Fry-kun> haha
[06:24] <Fry-kun> i thought ubuntu philosophy was above these issues ;)
[06:24] <AlexExtreme> well
[06:24] <AlexExtreme> upstart is replacing a core system component :P
[06:24] <Fry-kun> that's true
[06:25] <AlexExtreme> anyway don't ask me about the ubuntu philosophy, i'm not even a ubuntu user ;)
[06:25] <Fry-kun> but it's not very hard to make it painless
[06:25] <Fry-kun> lol ok
[06:26] <Fry-kun> anyway i'll go try to boot up with my new init system
[06:30] <Fry-kun> yay, it works1
[06:30] <Fry-kun> takes a while after i get the tty login, but it boots up fair and square
[06:31] <AlexExtreme> great :)
[06:31] <Fry-kun> hope there isn't anything else that doesn't start up by itself
[06:31] <Fry-kun> <.<
[06:31] <Fry-kun> >.>
[06:32] <Fry-kun> now the main (PITA) task - converting all services to use upstart instead of sysv
[06:33] <Fry-kun> is there a set of examples somewhere? maybe even a repository of common services pre-converted
[06:33] <AlexExtreme> nope
[06:34] <Fry-kun> darn
[06:34] <Fry-kun> oh well, more fun this way i suppose
[06:36] <Fry-kun> oh yeah, it's implied of course.. but to make it explicit: Thank you, Alex!
[06:36] <AlexExtreme> np :)
[06:39] <Fry-kun> is it just me or did the getting-started doc change from /usr/local to /opt/upstart ?
[06:40] <AlexExtreme> yes
[06:41] <Fry-kun> oh good, i thought i was losing my mind
[06:41] <Fry-kun> so what's the reasoning?
[06:42] <AlexExtreme> no idea :)
[06:43] <Fry-kun> :D
[06:52] <Fry-kun> oh yeah.. so let's say I change half of my services to use upstart instead of sysv -- that means i have to remove their sysv versions (..right? or else they'll try to run 2 copies at once) -- so how do i set up the system to be able to boot using either upstart or sysv (in case upstart fails)?
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[08:51] <Fry-kun> found another problem - apparently the limited user can't reboot/shutdown
[08:51] <_ion> Sounds more like a feature.
[08:51] <Fry-kun> it complains: "shutdown: /dev/initctl : No such file or directory"
[08:51] <_ion> if you mean a non-root user.
[08:51] <Fry-kun> lol
[08:51] <Fry-kun> yes
[08:52] <_ion> There's sudo, you know?
[08:52] <Keybuk> Fry-kun: wrong shutdown
[08:52] <Fry-kun> in fedora, it uses a symbolic link to consolehelper
[08:52] <AlexExtreme> Fry-kun: you need to use the upstart shutdown program
[08:52] <Fry-kun> which in turn runs userhelper, which checks if the user is allowed to run the program
[08:52] <AlexExtreme> if you installed it in /usr/local, do sudo /usr/local/sbin/shutdown
[08:53] <Fry-kun> then if so, runs
[08:53] <Fry-kun> X doesn't do that :P
[08:53] <Fry-kun> it just runs "shutdown" - and then the system says "FU" and X goes "oh well, i'll just restart"
[08:53] <Fry-kun> and starts up again
[08:53] <AlexExtreme> well
[08:54] <AlexExtreme> you'll have to run it yourself manually ;)
[08:54] <Fry-kun> which means i have to run shutdown/reboot from a console every time X(
[08:54] <Fry-kun> gee, thanks :(
[08:54] <Fry-kun> there must be a better way...
[08:57] <Fry-kun> man consolehelper:    "[...]  programs like /sbin/shutdown  are paired  with  a  link  from /usr/bin/shutdown to /usr/bin/consolehelper.  Then when non-root users [...]  call  the "shutdown" program, consolehelper will be invoked to authenticate the action and then invoke /sbin/shutdown.  (consolehelper itself has no priviledges; it calls the userhelper(8) program do the real work.)"
[08:58] <Fry-kun> "So to make /sbin/foo or /usr/sbin/foo managed, you  need  to  create  a  link  from /usr/bin/foo to /usr/bin/consolehelper and create the file /etc/pam.d/foo, normally using the pam_console(8) PAM module"
[08:58] <Fry-kun> will see if that works
[08:58] <_ion> Replace /sbin/shutdown with the upstart version.
[08:59] <AlexExtreme> but that'll break if he goes back to sysvinit
[08:59] <_ion> Then put the original file back again.
[08:59] <AlexExtreme> but he switches between the 2 ;)
[08:59] <Fry-kun> when it breaks, i won't be able to
[09:00] <Fry-kun> if/when
[09:00] <_ion> How so?
[09:00] <_ion> Just boot with init=/bin/bash
[09:00] <Fry-kun> gah
[09:00] <Fry-kun> but.. but... !
[09:34] <Fry-kun> i was thinking to make a copy of rc.* in etc to something like rc_upstart.*, so as to make both methods work
[09:34] <Fry-kun> what do you think?
[10:08] <phsdv> Fry-kun, making a copy to rc_upstart.* does not change your shutdown issue, right? It is still /sbin/shutdown in X
[10:15] <Fry-kun> right
[10:15] <Fry-kun> but it's another issue that i'm trying to solve
[10:18] <phsdv> ok, sorry
[10:28] <phsdv> Fry-kun: I went to the logs, you want to be able to boot from either upstart or sysvinit, correct?
[10:42] <phsdv> I do not think you have to make copies for being able to boot from both. I did not do it and I can boot from both.
[11:24] <Fry-kun> the reason i want to use upstart in the first place is to be able to boot faster than i do with sysv - but if there's some problem with upstart, i don't want to lose more time than it takes for upstart to boot
[11:25] <Fry-kun> in other words, i can't afford to drop into single user mode just to switch to a working configuration


[04:48] <mck182> how does one boot to text mode with efi?
[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:35] <Mirv> FYI I've updated qca-qt5 so that it compiles on Qt 5.5 so that okteta autopkgtest doesn't fail
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Is plasma 5.5 in the staging ppa yet ?
[12:42] <Riddell> sgclark: yofel: I merged pkg-kde-tools
[12:45]  * BluesKaj guesses his question is wrong somehow
[12:47] <BluesKaj> http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-5-features-new-default-font-wayland-session-legacy-tray-icons-support-video-497275.shtml
[12:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: no and no
[12:55] <yofel> Riddell: thanks
[12:57] <BluesKaj> yofel, any timeline for plasma 5.5 ?
[12:58] <yofel> not that I know of, sorry
[12:59] <BluesKaj> ok thanks
[13:02] <BluesKaj> I suppose it will be in the 15.10 backports soon tho..I'll be checking on my laptop
[13:59] <Yossarianuk> Hi - are their plans for Plasma 5.5 to be in the backports PPA for 15.10 ?  5.5 was released today -> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.5.0.php
[14:51] <sgclark> Riddell: merged as in fixed now?
[14:57] <Riddell> sgclark: l10n-thing.mk got added in so I hope that fixes any problems
[14:59] <sgclark> oh great, yes that will fix much of the breakage.
[14:59] <sgclark> thanks
[15:00] <sgclark> But to whom it may concern, I must leave in the morning to visit my aunt in the hospise. I am running out of time.
[15:00] <sgclark> So unless someone else steps up to package 5.5 it will be awhile. Sorry.
[15:02] <BluesKaj> sgclark, ok thanks, understood .
[15:15] <sgclark> Riddell: new and exciting failures with pkg-kde-tools
[15:16] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm?
[15:17] <sgclark> look at ecm buildlog ^
[15:18] <clivejo> will the packages buld themselfs
[15:19] <clivejo> that would be an exciting feature
[15:19] <sgclark> lol
[15:20] <Riddell> "Undefined subroutine &Debian::Debhelper::Buildsystem::kf5::dpkg_architecture_value called at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/kf5.pm line 47."  hmm
[15:20] <sgclark> well. if I could ever get CI back to working order, then yes
[15:20] <sgclark> but it is a freaking mess atm.
[15:21] <clivejo> indeed, very storm Desmond
[15:22] <clivejo> eakkk all packages are broken today
[15:23] <clivejo> there isnt a green light in the whole of senial
[15:23] <clivejo> xenial
[15:23] <sgclark> yes, kf5 updated. but pkg-kde-tools is still broken in a new and exciting way, which is a blocker for al
[15:23] <sgclark> all*
[15:24] <clivejo> cursed sitter
[15:24] <sgclark> right see above. till pkg-kde-tools is fixed all will remain.
[15:24] <sgclark> nothing to do with sitter
[15:24] <clivejo> sgclark: I mean him calling xenial senile
[15:24] <sgclark> oh lol
[15:25] <clivejo> I find myself calling it senial a lot
[15:29] <BluesKaj> not senile ?
[15:32] <clivejo> sitter calls it senile
[15:32] <clivejo> but my fingers keep pressing the s key instead of x
[15:36] <BluesKaj> think it's meant to synonymous with genial, xenial actaully means anyway
[15:39] <BluesKaj> let me rephrase that : I think it's meant to be synonymous with genial, which xenial actually means anyway ,,,have to correct those senile mistakes of mine :-)
[15:42] <sgclark> lol
[15:45]  * clivejo cries
[15:45] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wFTo34mCj0
[15:45] <clivejo> I want, I want
[15:46] <clivejo> so pretty
[17:32] <sgclark> alright I am off, see you all soon
[18:40] <mck182> how does one boot to non-X mode on kubuntu these days?
[18:40] <mck182> I've tried appending "text" instead of "quite splash" but that still started sddm
[18:43] <BluesKaj> quiet spalsh even
[18:43] <mck182> even
[18:43] <BluesKaj> :_)\\
[18:43] <mck182> btw can someone retrigger powerdevil build in kci? the last package is very old and cannot be installed due to conflicts with kscreen
[18:44] <BluesKaj> 0 timeout used to work
[18:44] <mck182> so kci unstable now has no power management ^^
[18:44] <mck182> BluesKaj: that's unfortunately a) not working anymore b) not what I actually want
[18:45] <mck182> (if you run update-grub with timeout=0 it will print a warning that it's not supported anymore)
[18:45] <mck182> but I want to boot to tty, not sddm
[18:45] <BluesKaj> mck182, if you drop to a vt/tty I guess that stops X
[18:46] <mck182> not exactly
[18:46] <mck182> it just switches you to a different tty
[18:46] <mck182> not killing X
[18:46] <BluesKaj> yeah
[18:46] <mck182> but I want to boot to tty, not boot to X and then kill X
[18:47] <BluesKaj> you want to load wayland I suppose
[18:47] <mck182> that as well
[18:48] <BluesKaj> there must be a line edit in grub that will work
[18:49] <mck182> yes, you're supposed to append "text" to kernel args
[18:49] <mck182> but I dunno if that is still working with 4.2.0/15.10
[18:49] <mck182> not for me anyway
[18:49] <mck182> perhaps efi has something to do with it
[18:49] <mck182> I dunno
[18:51] <yofel> I would rather say systemd is involved here, but I don't know what the solution is either
[18:51] <BluesKaj> what avou the line #GRUB_TERMINAL=console,  in /etc/default/grub
[18:51] <BluesKaj> about
[18:52] <mck182> BluesKaj: that's for grub-pc only I've read
[18:52] <mck182> while I have grub-efi
[18:52] <BluesKaj> bummer
[18:52] <mck182> yofel: or that, yeah
[18:53] <BluesKaj> damn uefi
[18:53] <mck182> yofel: btw could please retrigger powerdevil build in kci? the last one is very outdated and conflicts with plasma-workspace
[18:54] <BluesKaj> is that why the new plasma-workspace is being held back ?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> either the ic ppa or the staging ppa have it , forgot which , but I have them commented now
[19:47] <mck182> does anyone understand systemd to help investigate a thing?
[19:50] <lordievader> mck182: What is the problem?
[19:51] <mck182> lordievader: when I stop sddm, my display is powered off, I believe this is systemd doing, in the syslog I see "Reached target Shutdown"
[19:51] <mck182> so I'm somewhat assuming that systemd is powering down the screen for machine power off
[19:51] <mck182> but I'd like it not to
[19:51] <lordievader> Hehe, that is odd. Does it automatically reboot if the sddm service is disabled?
[19:52] <mck182> no
[19:52] <mck182> I still have access to tty1
[19:52] <mck182> but the screen is powered off
[19:52] <mck182> so I can blindly type "sudo reboot" and it will reboot
[19:53] <lordievader> Hmm, well it could be that systemd thinks the lid is closed. (Is this a laptop by the way?)
[19:53] <mck182> yeah, laptop
[19:54] <mck182> lordievader: here's the full log https://paste.kde.org/pjp10gyy2
[19:54] <lordievader> mck182: Edit '/etc/systemd/logind.conf' and let it say, among things, 'HandleLidSwitch=ignore'. Then reboot (or reload logind).
[19:55] <mck182> lordievader: how do I reload logind?
[19:56] <lordievader> mck182: Not really sure if that will immeadeate effect, but: sudo systemctl reload systemd-logind
[19:56] <mck182> lordievader: "Failed to reload systemd-logind.service: Job type reload is not applicable for unit systemd-logind.service."
[19:56] <mck182> so I guess I'll just reboot
[19:57] <lordievader> Hmm, you can try restarting it but that might fail worse ;)
[19:57] <mck182> np, reboots are quick ^^
[20:01] <mck182> lisandro: well that didn't help
[20:02] <lordievader> Hmm...
[20:03] <lordievader> What does the log of systemd-logind say?
[20:06] <mck182> hmm....how can I display previous boot with journalctl?
[20:06] <mck182> --list-boots shows only the current boot
[20:08] <lordievader> Then it is likely set to volatile. Set the journal to persistent mode to save journals across boots.
[20:08] <mck182> one thing I hope you realized by now is that I have zarro knowledge about thingsd :)
[20:09] <mck182> so if you tell me set it to persistent mode, I have no idea how
[20:09] <lordievader> By the by, maybe we should move to #kubuntu, this is not really a support room ;)
[20:10] <mck182> oh right
[20:37] <soee> yofel: any plans to add Plasma 5.5 to Kubuntu any soon ?
[20:39] <yofel> don't hold your breath. Not with scarlett on a trip and me working overtime every day.
[20:41] <clivejo> how come you are on overtime yofel?
[20:42] <yofel> My todo list at work until christmas is too long? And it's winter and people are sick and stuff
[20:42] <yofel> well, life
[20:43] <yofel> But as a result I have like next to no motivation to do something productive once I get home -.-
[20:49] <clivejo> bad weather there too?
[20:51] <clivejo> yofel: regarding ecm I have built it on my own xenial system, but I added a build dep on python-sphinx
[20:52] <yofel> Not really, we had 3 days of all-day mist though which finally cleared up today
[20:53] <yofel> sounds like documentation stuff. Dunno if we ship that for ecm
[20:54] <clivejo> ah
[21:05] <clivejo> I wonder what I have on my machine that allows it to build, but is not on LP
[21:08] <yofel> well, the CI failure is caused by the busted pkg-kde-tools
[21:10] <clivejo> where does it get built?
[21:10] <yofel> ecm or pkt?
[21:10] <clivejo> pkt
[21:10] <yofel> archive
[21:11] <clivejo> cant see it in KCI
[21:11] <yofel> it's not in the CI, it's just a tooling package
[21:12] <clivejo> so my tooling package is different to the one KCI is using?
[21:12] <yofel> dunno, what version do you have?
[21:13] <clivejo> Installed: 0.15.19ubuntu1
[21:14] <yofel> that one works, 0.15.20~ubuntu1 is busted
[21:14] <clivejo> where is 0.15.20 coming from?
[21:14] <yofel> archive
[21:15] <clivejo> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial/main amd64 Packages
[21:15] <yofel>      0.15.20~ubuntu1 0
[21:15] <yofel>         500 http://localhost:3142/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial/main amd64 Packages
[21:15] <clivejo> wonder why my install isnt using it
[21:16] <yofel> you probably didn't update
[21:16] <yofel> ah well, lets see if I can get this fixed
[21:17] <clivejo> who looks after the tooling then?
[21:17] <yofel> us
[21:22] <valorie> we need more people!
[21:22] <yofel> definitely
[21:23] <valorie> it's a bit worrying that the team is too small to have time to mentor new folks
[21:23]  * yofel wonders what the purpose of the failing code is...
[21:23] <valorie> although I will say that GCi while fun, hasn't gotten us long-term contributors
[21:27] <clivejo> yofel: how do you find out?
[21:27] <clivejo> ask the KDE folks?
[21:27] <yofel> so far I'm wondering that myself :P
[21:28] <yofel> nah, this shouldn't be so hard that reading the actual code won't help
[21:28] <yofel> and from what I can see, the current default behavior matches the indended one, so that diff is probably obsolete
[21:28] <yofel> which would explain why debian doesn't need it
[21:30] <clivejo> yofel: why do we have so much other stuff as well as the debian folder ?
[21:30] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git/tree/?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[21:31] <yofel> that's a debian native package, i.e. "We" are upstream here
[21:31] <yofel> which is why the code and the packaging are together
[21:32] <yofel> the kubuntu specific stuff is in the kubuntu/ folder. + some patched files
[21:32] <clivejo> so very confusing!
[21:33] <yofel> how so? It's packaging tooling, so it should be pretty obvious that we wrote that ^^
[21:34] <yofel> hm...
[21:34] <yofel> I wonder if I can run apt from inside the tooling... would drop the dep diff for lintian...
[21:49] <yofel> sgclark, Riddell: pkg-kde-tools with the broken line dropped uploaded to the archive, should fix most things.
[21:50] <yofel> there is still one call to dpkg_architecture_value in dh_sameversiondep, but that's mostly unused these days
[21:50] <clivejo> yofel: what was broken?
[21:50] <yofel> "Undefined subroutine &Debian::Debhelper::Buildsystem::kf5::dpkg_architecture_value called at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/kf5.pm line 47."


[00:17] <flexiondotorg> infinity, cyphermox If you get contacted by MrBIOS about the A-EON Cyrus PPC64 boards.
[00:17] <flexiondotorg> MrBIOS added the required support to mainline Linux 4.4
[00:18] <flexiondotorg> He maybe able to get boards for you in exchange for helping add support for these device inti Ubuntu.
[00:18] <flexiondotorg> Just a heads up.
[01:24] <MrBIOS> infinity: cyphermox either of you around by chance?
[01:25] <cyphermox> yeah
[01:37] <MrBIOS> cyphermox: were you by chance at UbuCon at SCaLE 14x in Pasadena?
[01:37] <cyphermox> no, sorry
[01:38] <MrBIOS> no worries, just curious
[01:38] <cyphermox> I watched some presentations on youtube ;)
[09:22] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Always happy to have more PPC kit in my house, have him email me or something.
[09:37] <flexiondotorg> infinity, He has your details and cyphermox too.
[09:46] <flexiondotorg> infinity, If you have a sec could you update ubuntu-mate-meta please?
[09:46] <flexiondotorg> Has updates so ubuntu-mate-base will work.
[09:47] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Looking.
[09:47] <flexiondotorg> Cheers.
[10:02] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Does this close any bugs (for the changelog)?
[10:05] <infinity> flexiondotorg: "Sadly, this is not something we can address in Ubuntu MATE Desktop because we can't currently mark packages as recommended in the seeds."
[10:05] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Of course you can have recommends.  We use them liberally in ubuntu.
[10:05] <infinity> flexiondotorg: You even have a bunch in your metapackages...
[10:09] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Oh, but you use no-follow-recommends (ick), which might make that tougher.
[10:10] <infinity> flexiondotorg: If the argument there was to make things slimmer, perhaps worth revisiting when you have a slim and fat product.
[11:26] <flexiondotorg> infinity, The reason for no-follow is because Unity and GNOME3 stuff will get pulled in otherwise.
[11:26] <flexiondotorg> So I have to hand resolve recommends.
[11:27] <flexiondotorg> I need to file several patches to other packages before I can stop using no-follow.
[11:27] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I've got the go ahead from xubuntu to file merge proposals for Xubuntu Base and Ubuntu MATE Base
[11:27] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Yeahp, would be nice to see if that's fixable.
[11:28] <flexiondotorg> Should I subscribe ubuntu-release or just yourself?
[11:28] <infinity> flexiondotorg: ~ubuntu-cdimage and ~adconrad
[11:28] <flexiondotorg> Thanks
[11:28] <infinity> (I'm in the former, but the explicit ping doesn't hurt)
[11:41] <flexiondotorg> infinity, All filed. Thanks for help on this.
[12:58] <rtg> can I get linux-snapdragon and -meta accepted from the Xenial NEW queue ?
[13:06] <infinity> rtg: Not without it being reviewed, and me being grumpy about everything about it.
[13:07] <rtg> infinity, well I can't know what you are grumpy about until you tell me.  I cloned it from raspi2, so they both have the same issues
[13:07] <infinity> rtg: I haven't reviewed it yet, so was holding off on the grump.
[13:08] <rtg> infinity, it is a 4.2 kernel for now, but we plan to update it to 4.4 before release
[13:08] <infinity> rtg: But the most obvious one is "why?" ... With, I assume your response being "cause we need the 96boards branch to make it go and we don't want to review all of that for suitability in master/generic", which then leads to "why not a 96boards kernel instead of a snapdragon-specific one, then?"
[13:16] <flexiondotorg> wxl, All participating flavours are ready.
[13:16] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Have you agree a release ETA with slangasek?
[14:34] <wxl> flexiondotorg: we have not set an ETA, but just that we'd do it friday
[14:35] <wxl> slangasek: when do you want to press the button?
[14:35] <flexiondotorg> wxl, OK. It is 14:32 here.
[14:35] <wxl> over here it is Fri Jan 29 06:35:56 PST 2016
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^^^ accepting fonts-android should make renpy and request-tracker4 migrate
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!!!
[16:54] <slangasek> wxl: whenever you ask me to :)
[17:06] <flexiondotorg> slangasek, wxl I'm going to be leaving work in 25mins so won't be around to send the email announcement for a few hours.
[17:06] <flexiondotorg> wxl, The draft is ready, you know where it is :-)
[17:58] <wxl> slangasek: i guess i'll wait a few hours until i hear back from flexiondotorg
[17:58] <wxl> suffice it to say we're ready to go tho
[18:00] <slangasek> wxl: ah?  what are you waiting to hear back from him on?  I got the impression he was saying they were ready
[18:00] <slangasek> or do you mean, wait until he's back so he can send the mail?
[18:01] <wxl> slangasek: well he originally said he would so if he can that'd be super fab as he won't be at work whilst i am just getting at work
[18:01] <wxl> slangasek: the thing is already prepped though, so i can send it out now if need be
[18:09] <slangasek> wxl: well, do you want me to push the button now, or wait?
[18:11] <wxl> slangasek: please wait
[18:12] <slangasek> ok
[19:21] <flexiondotorg> wxl, What is it you need from me?
[19:21] <flexiondotorg> Everything is set.
[19:21] <flexiondotorg> I'm not at a computer for the next 2 hours.
[19:21] <flexiondotorg> But the announcement is drafted.
[19:21] <flexiondotorg> You can cut and paste and send.
[19:22] <flexiondotorg> When I'm back home I'll catch up on IRC.
[19:22]  * flexiondotorg is away...
[19:38] <wxl> slangasek: hit the button and i'll have a message out in just a bit
[19:41] <slangasek> wxl: in progress
[19:51] <slangasek> utlemming: alpha-2 cloud image publication ready?
[19:52] <utlemming> slangasek: yup, there's good to go, url is live
[19:52] <slangasek> ok
[19:52] <slangasek> wxl: mirrors syncing
[20:04] <wxl> slangasek: do i post to ubuntu-announce or just ubuntu-devel-announce
[20:04] <wxl> ?
[20:04] <slangasek> wxl: ubuntu-devel-announce only
[20:04] <wxl> thanks
[20:04] <wxl> getting it out now
[20:10] <wxl> slangasek: sent. thank you so much. is ubuntu going to participate in beta1?
[20:10] <slangasek> wxl: no; we do one beta and the release
[20:10] <wxl> slangasek: ok. i'll see if i can muster some support for community release tasks for beta1 then.
[20:11] <slangasek> wxl: (announce message moderated)
[20:12] <flocculant> wxl: I'm already listed for b1
[20:13] <wxl> slangasek: thank you sir
[20:13] <wxl> and flocculant thank you for being on it (as usual) XD
[20:17] <flocculant> might be nice to see people that don't bother to help out though
[20:18] <wxl> yeah well i guess the release manager pool is relatively limited
[20:18] <wxl> but i couldn't help but agree
[20:19] <flocculant> well it's relatively limited ofc - but there are gnome,studio and kylin
[20:19] <wxl> mythbuntu, edubuntu, etc
[20:19] <flocculant> studio though tends not to alpha like us
[20:19] <wxl> yes agree
[20:19]  * tgm4883 pops his head in
[20:19] <flocculant> pretty sure that both myth and edu are LTS only - so bit harsh perhaps on them :)
[20:20] <flocculant> hi tgm4883 :)
[20:20] <wxl> true true
[20:20] <wxl> but maybe they have more time to burn flocculant XD
[20:20] <flocculant> heh
[20:20] <tgm4883> whats the problem?
[20:21] <flocculant> there's not as such - not with you :)
[20:21] <flocculant> 'community need to deal with the alpha/beta's that ubuntu don't - with canonical help
[20:22] <flocculant> it tends to be the same people do the dealing
[20:22] <flocculant> but as I said afaik you and edubuntu are LTS only
[20:22] <tgm4883> ok
[20:23] <flocculant> so bit harsh to expect anything for the once you might get involved in it prior to ubuntu's only beta for an LTS
[20:24] <tgm4883> what sort of involment are we looking for here?
[20:24] <wxl> here's my other problem
[20:24] <wxl> we don't even really have a wiki page discussing this
[20:25] <flocculant> tgm4883: not much tbh - pen the release announcement, chivvy teams involved to get things done
[20:25] <wxl> oh we do!
[20:25] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityMilestoneProcess
[20:25] <wxl> i'm going to link that
[20:25] <wxl> once the wiki sso completes
[20:26] <wxl> talk to you guys in a couple days :/
[20:26] <flocculant> tgm4883: most importantly be available for whoever is helping on the canonical side - slangasek this time, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseTaskSignup
[20:26] <flocculant> wxl: good luck :p
[20:29] <wxl> there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseTaskSignup
[20:32]  * flexiondotorg returns
[20:32] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Yo.
[20:32] <flexiondotorg> How does it?
[20:32] <wxl> flexiondotorg: we're released!
[20:34] <flexiondotorg> wxl Just caught the backlog :-)
[20:34] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Excellent. Well done. ANd thanks to slangasek for helping us out :-)
[20:34] <wxl> +1 flexiondotorg
[20:34] <wxl> thank you slangasek :)
[20:34] <wxl> and thank you flexiondotorg


[05:06] <zyga-mbp> goood morning :)
[05:07]  * zyga-mbp spent all of yesterday deep inside the cloud but is back now
[05:47] <mardy> zyga-mbp: 'morning!
[05:47] <zyga-mbp> o/ :)
[05:48] <mborzecki> morning
[05:48] <mborzecki> mardy: zyga-mbp: hey
[05:59] <mborzecki> hm opensuse.org is down
[06:03] <zyga-mbp> yeah, it looks down from here as well
[06:14] <mup> PR snapd#10837 opened: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix set but unsed variable in the unit tests <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10837>
[06:14] <mborzecki> trivial PR ^^^
[06:15] <mborzecki> and should make clang 13 happy, apparently it's more picky now
[06:18] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki +1
[06:35] <mborzecki> ehh so https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/systemd-services-running-snap-apps-fail-to-associate-journal-logs/26714 someone tries to use a snap application as a service (defined separately, outside of snapd's knowledge), then tracking gets in the way and moves the app (since it's an app) to a separate sope
[06:55] <mborzecki> woah, opensuse landed a rebuild with new glibc too
[07:01] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[07:01] <pstolowski> morning
[07:03] <mvo> good morning pstolowski and mardy
[07:03] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[07:04] <mvo> hey mborzecki
[07:08] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki ouch, interesting
[07:08] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki there's a gnome protocol for app tracking, also based on scopes
[07:08] <zyga-mbp> I guess it just doesn't matter there because it's a part of a desktop app
[07:09] <zyga-mbp> perhaps app tracking should bail-out if invoked in a systemd service context?
[07:10] <mborzecki> that would break the user, perhaps we shoudl just show a warning and continue
[07:21] <mardy> mvo: hi!
[07:21] <mardy> I need to leave for about 1 hour
[07:24] <mup> PR snapd#10838 opened: Component tests <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10838>
[07:29] <mup> PR snapd#10831 closed: osutil/disks: add new `CreateLinearMapperDevice` helper <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10831>
[07:34] <mup> PR snapd#10834 closed: tests: fix netplan test on i386 architecture <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10834>
[07:34] <mup> PR snapd#10835 closed: tests: fix lxd-mount-units test which is based on core20 in ubuntu focal system <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10835>
[07:51] <miguelpires> mvo: hi, can you merge this https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10812 please?
[07:51] <mup> PR #10812: o/ifacestate: don't fail remove if disconnect hook fails <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10812>
[07:56] <pstolowski> mardy: hey, can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10737 again?
[07:56] <mup> PR #10737: o/snapstate: validation sets enforcing on update <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10737>
[08:03] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[08:35] <mardy> pstolowski: approved -- I also have a question, but it's just to make sure the branches are intentional
[08:40] <mborzecki> mardy: can you take another look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10826 ?
[08:40] <mup> PR #10826: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: workaround BPF memory accounting, update apparmor profile <Security-High> <Needs security review> <cgroupv2-impish> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10826>
[08:42] <mborzecki> heh native mattermost app is kinda broken, whenever i click on a link it tries to open it in firefox, but in such a way that firefox shows a dialog that profile is in use
[08:46] <mardy> mborzecki: approved
[08:50] <mborzecki> had to restart the CI job in #10837, seems like there were network problems
[08:50] <mup> Bug #10837: Segfault when try to print using cups. <samba (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <samba (Debian):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10837>
[08:50] <mup> PR #10837: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix set but unsed variable in the unit tests <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10837>
[08:50] <mborzecki> mardy: thanks!
[08:58] <pstolowski> damn, this new github ui is confusing indeed
[08:59] <mborzecki> hahah
[09:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#3584 opened: extension/desktop: Prevent keeping updating when there is no user use… <Created by didrocks> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3584>
[10:28] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki nice work on that .1
[10:29] <zyga-mbp> I'll happily review, I've been following that thread
[10:30] <mborzecki> hm?
[10:40] <mup> PR snapd#10839 opened: cmd/snap-confine: update s-c apparmor profile to allow versioned ld.so <Security-High> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10839>
[10:41] <zyga-mbp> yes, this :)
[10:43] <zyga-mbp> done
[10:50] <mborzecki> ah, haha
[11:10] <mup> PR snapd#10837 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: fix set but unused variable in the unit tests <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10837>
[11:16] <jamesh> mvo: would you be able to merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10571? It has received 2+ reviews, but I'm getting some unrelated CI failures that prevent me from landing it myself.
[11:16] <mup> PR #10571: daemon: implement access checkers for themes API <Needs Samuele review> <Needs security review> <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10571>
[11:16] <mvo> jamesh: sure
[11:17] <jamesh> mvo: most recent CI run is from today after merging master
[11:58] <jd> hello, is it possible to disable ssl_verify for a `snapcraftctl pull` in a snapcraft.yaml ?
[11:59] <JonathanEsk-Ridd> ijohnson: thanks for looking at kdenlive for me.  looking in the journald output I see the supporting binary kdenlive_renderer is crashing after it fails to load /snap/core20/.../libacl etc and I've no idea why it would be loading it from there instead of /usr/lib/libacl etc   there's various scripts in the command chain that alter lots of environment variables so meh maybe I'll have to play with lots of those and see what happens
[12:01] <JonathanEsk-Ridd> https://invent.kde.org/packaging/snapcraft-kde-applications/-/blob/Neon/release/kdenlive/kdenlive-launch/kdenlive-launch is the only one specific to kdenlive but I don't think setting those would cause the issue
[12:10] <mup> PR snapd#10788 closed: many: rename systemd.Kind to Backend for a bit more clarity <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10788>
[12:12] <mborzecki> hm did we land a change in spread to run with a single worker?
[12:19] <pstolowski> does anyone remember the trick for time.Time mocking in the tests to make DeepEquals happy about time fields and not choke about its internal bits that differ?
[12:21] <zyga> pstolowski, I only did this once but IIRC you can round the nanonseconds/internal noise
[12:21] <zyga> and then perform the comparison
[12:24] <pstolowski> zyga: will try, thanks... i've a vague memory there was something else but completely forgot
[12:50] <mup> PR snapd#10840 opened: tests/main/security-device-cgroups: fix when both variants run on the same host <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10840>
[13:13] <zyga> hmm
[13:14] <zyga> mborzecki, not signed into github and away from token but https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/f33c0179a4bef62c224160d77c996e5f9307d6ca/tests/main/cgroup-tracking/task.yaml#L77
[13:14] <zyga> mborzecki, nitpicky a bit but we compare systemd version in one more place
[13:15] <zyga> and I wanted to make sure you were at least aware of the way
[13:41] <mborzecki> mardy: let's sync monday morning about the app tracking stuff
[13:41] <mborzecki> maybe it's actually one problem
[13:54] <mardy> mborzecki: OK!
[13:55] <mborzecki> i suspect it's ok for normal user, but maybe not so ok for root
[14:06] <mup> PR snapd#10841 opened: interfaces/dsp: add a usb rule to the ambarella flavor <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10841>
[14:09] <zyga>  mborzecki root doesn't have app tracking, we equate root to services, no?
[14:10] <mborzecki> zyga: not really iirc
[14:10] <zyga> hmm, perhaps I remember wrong then
[14:11] <mup> PR snapd#10842 opened: interfaces/apparmor/template.go: allow inspection of dbus mediation level <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10842>
[14:11] <zyga> ah right https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/cmd/snap/cmd_run.go#L1158
[14:16] <mup> PR snapd#10839 closed: cmd/snap-confine: update s-c apparmor profile to allow versioned ld.so <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10839>
[14:16] <mborzecki> yay
[14:18] <mborzecki> hm we just continue if tracking could not be established, which probably is ok
[14:18] <mborzecki> i should make thhe devie cgroup code verify that we're in a scope/service of a snap, i.e. there's a `snap.` prefix and `.scope` || `.service` suffix
[14:18] <ijohnson[m]> Jonathan Esk-Riddell: maybe something to discuss in the snapcraft clinic today
[14:19] <zyga> mborzecki, mmm
[14:19] <zyga> yeah
[14:19] <zyga> that is a good idea
[14:19] <zyga> those are not synchronized today
[20:32] <mup> PR snapd#10840 closed: tests/main/security-device-cgroups: fix when both variants run on the same host <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10840>
[20:54] <sarnold> diddledani: hello :) is there a way to go from https://snapstats.org/snaps/multipass to a list of releases for this snap?


[00:08] <brousch> Heh, I am utterly unqualified for all of the posted jobs
[00:13] <cmaloney> brousch: THat bad?
[00:42] <brousch> It's psychologically unhealthy and I've actually lost skills working here
[01:17] <_stink_> bummer.
[01:17] <_stink_> what are you looking for?
[01:32] <cmaloney> brousch: Ugh
[01:36] <brousch> I want to try something where I can deep-dive into a technology. I've been a jack of all trades for so long.
[01:36] <brousch> A well-defined role that doesn't become a bunchbof crap work
[01:40] <brousch> At some place thatncares about quality
[01:52] <_stink_> brousch: i'll keep my ear out
[02:01] <cmaloney> Same
[02:02] <cmaloney> OK with moving or still want to be on the west-side?
[02:07] <brousch> Have to stay here
[02:07] <cmaloney> kk
[02:13] <brousch> Thanks. Mostly venting, but I appreciate the sentiment
[02:18] <cmaloney> I've been there, so i know what you're going though
[02:18] <cmaloney> Chrysler was unhealthy for me near the end
[02:18] <cmaloney> Have you checked to see if Sourceforge is hiring? :)
[02:25] <brousch> Damn good idea. Dave says the new overlords are not so bad
[02:29] <cmaloney> Yeah, so I've heard
[02:30] <cmaloney> Though anything is an improvement over Dice
[19:23] <_stink_> has anyone used the tornado framework?
[19:23] <rick_h_> _stink_: used it for the original breadbility web app
[19:24] <_stink_> any general thoughts, gotchas?  a pal of mine is taking over a new project for which someone other than him chose tornado
[19:25] <rick_h_> it's ok, asyns with their own async lib
[19:25] <_stink_> yeah looks like a monolith
[19:25] <rick_h_> would do wsgi, but watch out blocking and killing perf
[19:26] <rick_h_> yea but no where near as big as.a django.or even pyramid
[19:28] <jrwren> its been a while, but I've used it.
[19:28] <jrwren> it has its ups and downs like everything else.
[19:29] <jrwren> many tornado peices don't yet run on py3, which is a bummer, but most used ones do, which is cool.
[20:19] <_stink_> rick_h_: jrwren: thanks much, i'll pass the info along!


[00:26] <delvian> Hi All.  Where can I find an alternative to gnome-clocks?  It's waaay too much effort and time to get it to work on 20.04
[00:26] <delvian> I need something with a world clock and alarms.
[00:29] <tatertots> delvian: have you ever considered using your iPhone?
[00:30] <WesleyTech> @sarnold AMI
[00:30] <WesleyTech> @sarnold AMI's are region specific, you have to search us-west-2 to find this one.
[00:30] <delvian> tatertots: I have it on my phone, but I'd like it on my PC too :)
[00:32] <delvian> It doesn't seem like a complicated app, I'd expect many alternatives but I can't seem to find any in the repos.
[00:34] <delvian> First, the alarms and timer wasn't making a sound.  I eventually got that to work, but now it won't even open at all.
[00:34] <delvian> The GNOME devs just blame the Ubuntu devs for packaging it incorrectly :(
[00:34] <sarnold> WesleyTech: I still don't spot the dotnetcore or ami numbers in the ubuntu ec2 ami locator
[00:35] <WesleyTech> Upon further inspection, this AMI might be owned by Amazon, not Canonical...
[00:36] <WesleyTech> sigh
[00:36] <sarnold> d'oh
[00:43] <nugroho> Ubuntu 5.10 -=- Breezy Badger -=- Cisco Aironet -=- MEIZU M5 Note
[00:50] <oerheks> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/
[00:57] <neildugan> I have just install ubuntu-mate on a VM, done a 'apt dist-upgrade' and when I go to install a printer driver, I get the error "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." ... can anyone help here.
[00:58] <sarnold> try sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f
[01:00] <neildugan> sarnold, that didn't fix the problem... yesterday I successfully installed the same package on a different VM
[01:01] <neildugan> sarnold, the dependacy is "lsb:amd64 (>= 3.2) but it is not installable"
[01:01] <sarnold> neildugan: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:01] <oerheks> after dist-upgrade, vm rebooted?
[01:02] <neildugan> oerheks, hang on a sec
[01:04] <neildugan> sarnold, oerheks, a reboot didn't fix the problem
[01:05] <sarnold> neildugan: alright, can you pastebin the output of your attempt?
[01:05] <neildugan> sarnold, the 'apt install'
[01:06] <linelevel> Hi everyone. After upgrading my server to 20.04, every time I log in I see "403 packages can be updated." -- But then when I run `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`, I see that "All packages are up to date." (or if there are some updates, I see those). But when I log in, it always says 403 packages to update. Any ideas?
[01:06] <linelevel> Where is that 403 number coming from? Is there a different sources.list that it's using, perhaps?
[01:07] <bparker> try sudo apt dist-upgrade
[01:07] <oerheks> linelevel, tun apt dist-upgrade, it brings in kernel and stuff
[01:07] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[01:07] <linelevel> @bparker @oerheks Running `sudo apt dist-upgrade` says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[01:08] <oerheks> and requires a reboot, see if /var/run/reboot-required exists
[01:08] <linelevel> I've restarted the server several times since this problem appeared.
[01:08] <neildugan> sarnold, oerheks, the full output of the install is @ https://pastebin.com/Ue2v5FxK
[01:08] <oerheks> hmm so your login/motd gives wrong info?
[01:09] <linelevel> oerheks: Yes, it seems as such.
[01:10] <neildugan> sarnold, oerheks, should I just kill the VM and redo?
[01:10] <sarnold> neildugan: how about suto apt install lsb?
[01:11] <sarnold> neildugan: hmm... actually, are you sure you made it amd64? check uname -a output
[01:13] <neildugan> sarnold, "# uname -a" = "Linux julieVM 5.3.0-59-generic #53~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 4 14:55:07 UTC 2020 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux"
[01:13] <oerheks> ah 32 bit
[01:13] <sarnold> neildugan: there we go :)
[01:14] <oerheks> find the i386 version
[01:14] <sarnold> or reinstall amd64
[01:14] <oerheks> that wuld be preferable, sarnold +1
[01:15] <sarnold> I'm a bit worried with that .deb filename that this package hasn't been updated in nine years
[01:15] <linelevel> oerheks: Any idea what could cause that? Or how I should go about troubleshooting further?
[01:16] <neildugan> sarnold, what value indicates i386?
[01:16] <sarnold> lsb > 3.2 suggests the same thing, as lsb was 4.0 in 12.04 days...
[01:16] <sarnold> "i686 i686 i686"
[01:19] <nugroho> Qemu 0.8.0 -=- Qemu 0.10.0 -=- Qemu 0.12.0 -=- Qemu 0.14.0 -=- Qemu 1.2
[01:19] <neildugan> ok so why does the host which reports "x86_64" create a "i686" VM by default?  is this a problem?
[01:19] <sarnold> nugroho: so, uh, what's the point of all this?
[01:20] <sarnold> neildugan: how did you create it?
[01:21] <neildugan> sarnold, hang on a couple of minutes while a create a new one, with slightly different setup.
[01:23] <neildugan> sarnold, found the problem ... wrong iso image!
[01:24] <sarnold> neildugan: aha, good, then working as intended :)
[01:24] <oerheks> :-)
[01:25] <neildugan> sarnold, need to download the correct image.   Are you going to be arround for a while?
[01:25] <sarnold> neildugan: probably another twenty-ish minutes
[01:27] <oerheks> linelevel, haven't seen such behaviour before, one could file a bugreport?
[01:29] <delvian> Is this channel only for server support?
[01:32] <oerheks> delvian, no, desktop too
[01:33] <oerheks> there is a dedicated #ubuntu-server though
[01:35] <nugroho> WHA420355-SOC155694-YMH297433-WHA800477-JPL749250-APB800779
[01:36] <neildugan> sarnold, ok, its going to take about an hour for the download, thanks for your help, I should be find now.
[01:36] <sarnold> neildugan: oof :) good luck :)
[01:37] <oerheks> nugroho, looks like a serial number for windows 3.11
[01:38] <delvian> I'm looking for an alternative to gnome-clocks.  The GNOME devs recommend installing the flatpak to get it to work, but that requires a nearly 1GB download of dependencies just to get the 2MB clock to work, which I don't want to do.
[01:42] <R0b0t1> I've got a system where /etc seems readonly
[01:42] <delvian> Somebody suggested that I use the world clock and alarms on my phone, but that isn't the point.
[01:42] <R0b0t1> how do I fix that?
[01:42] <R0b0t1> I had to remount / as rw
[01:43] <CarlFK> nugroho: please stop.
[01:43] <delvian> I use the alarms as a timer while I work, so I'd like it on my workstation.
[01:43] <oerheks> R0b0t1, run a fsck with live iso ?
[01:44] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[01:48] <rfm> delvian, there's a gnome-clocks package in universe for bionic and focal..
[01:49] <delvian> rfm: The gnome-clocks package doesn't work.  That's why I'm looking for an alternative.
[01:51] <oerheks> gnome-clocks package from where?
[01:51] <oerheks> if this is a gnome plugin, you need to logout/login to let it take effect
[01:51] <oerheks> and gnome-tweak-tool gives to options for those plugins
[01:52] <rfm> delvian, just installed it on Xubuntu 30.04, seems to work for me.  what problem are you having?
[01:52] <delvian> oerheks: The one from focal-updates.
[01:53] <oerheks> oh oke, i am still on 18.04
[01:54] <delvian> rfm: First the alarms and timers weren't sounding.  Then I got that to work, but now it won't launch at all.
[01:54] <rfm> ^30^20, I'm not from the future.
[01:54] <delvian> :)
[01:55] <rud0lf> that's what i call an early access, rfm ;)
[01:56] <delvian> A search on launchpad says that it's a known bug with no fix.  I'm just tired of wasting time on it and I'm trying to find something that works.
[01:56] <delvian> The GNOME devs say that it's they way Canonical compiled it that's causing problems.
[03:35] <nickgaw> Hi, How using the keyboard in the gui do you get to a normal console login prompt not terminal but the normal login prompt?
[03:36] <nickgaw> The reason I am asking is I am totally blind and want to use the speakup screen on the console but still want to use orca in the gui as it is not the best command line screen reader.
[03:37] <nickgaw> Is there a way to do what I want other then shuting down gdm?
[03:51] <dlam> hey with 'mail'  is there a way to list READ messages?  (it seems to default to only unread messages)
[04:08] <pyraindrop> I manage 20+ machines and 5+ users. What is a good way to add/delete users in a centralized fashion on these machines?
[04:24] <dlam> use a configuration management tool?  like saltstack, ansible etc.
[04:25] <oerheks> pen and paper.
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> pyraindrop: cockpit seems to be a nice managing tool for servers too
[04:32] <pyraindrop> lotuspsychje, looking - i also was looking at sssd - freeipa - cfengine - bastallion...
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !info cockpit
[04:33] <pyraindrop> lotuspsychje, have you used cockpit? Does it allow ssh key rotation?
[04:34] <pyraindrop> oerheks, that is the best - that is what i do - with keys :)
[04:39] <pyraindrop> anyone uses freeipa here?
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> pyraindrop: we dont reall take polls here
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> !diccuss
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[04:40]  * kgb slaps ubottu with 200 yards of Cat 4 cable
[05:16] <yuta> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4-EXT4-RAID-Issue-Found
[05:16] <yuta> sorry, old article.
[06:13] <kinghat> does the 20.04 iso not have memtest accessibility from grub?
[06:16] <rominronin> Hello, good morning.
[06:16] <rominronin> I'm about to go live with a web project, hosted on a client server.
[06:17] <rominronin> the server has Ubuntu 16.04 installed.
[06:17] <rominronin> I want to know if 16.04 is still secure, if there are any updates or patches I should know about.
[06:18] <rominronin> Can anyone help?
[06:20] <oerheks> 16.04 gives 1 year support. i would go 1 lts higher, 18.04 LTS with HWE
[06:20] <oerheks> !hwe
[06:20] <aiena> I am on ubuntu 18.04. I had setup ibus as per some tutorials and am able to switch between languages using super+space. However I am struggling to get native letters. I installed Marathi. WHen I  switch to Marathi I still get English letters. In LO etc.
[06:21] <aiena> I am using the phonetic keyboard.
[06:21] <aiena> Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong.
[06:24] <rominronin> Thanks oerheks - is it possible to upgrade and keep all the installed php extensions, or would I need to install those too?
[06:24] <oerheks> depends what extentions, hard to tell.
[06:25] <rominronin> yeah, there's one microsoft extension which I'm almost certain I would need to upgrade: mssql
[06:26] <rominronin> what if I wanted to apply security patches to 16.04, without upgrading yet, to buy time for research
[06:26] <rominronin> I have to go live today and only discovered the version this morning
[06:27] <rominronin> I mean, is there an apt command for that?
[06:34] <rominronin> found it
[06:35] <rominronin> Despite using ubuntu cli for years, this is the first time I've been responsible for upgrading a system!
[06:49] <andi_> hello i'm new to ubuntu infrastructure and need to host a local ubuntu focal mirror would that apt-mirror.lst be correct? https://paste.xinu.at/bQJU/ so i get all the packages
[08:15] <Guest27552> Hello. I'm trying to downgrade my mysql from 8 to 5.7, and I found out that I need to do `sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-apt-config`  but I get 'dpkg-query: package 'mysql-apt-config' is not installed and no information is available' - what can I do about it? I found something with a similar name - 'dbconfig-mysql' - but is this the same thing?
[08:29] <snake-venom> on Ubuntu 18.6 LTS, skype hang, not able to type , or when typing its now showing.,
[08:30] <snake-venom> any suggestion please
[08:30] <__Milencho> snake-venom, 18.6 LTS not exists for sure
[08:30] <__Milencho> i have problem with skype on 20.4 lts but it's because of gnome guess i
[08:34] <snake-venom> __Milencho, its Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[08:39] <snake-venom> pavlushka, hi ther
[08:40] <pavlushka> yes
[08:42] <snake-venom> on Ubuntu 18.4 LTS, Skype hang, not able to type , or when typing its not showing., after 1 min its showing what i typed..
[08:43] <lesshaste> I recently upgraded to 18.04 and I missed the time in the top right. Can it be put back?
[08:44] <lesshaste> that is the clock in the top right hand corner of the screen
[08:45] <lesshaste> it's now in the top middle where I don't want it
[08:52] <alloy__> hi
[08:55] <phobosoph> hi
[08:56] <phobosoph> so after uninstalling e.g. the php7.3 package (upgraded to php7.4), the php7.3 service is listed as "masked"
[08:56] <phobosoph> can I clean it up completely?
[08:56] <phobosoph> or is this intended?
[09:01] <snake-venom> i removed the skype using purge and remove command but still i can see its exist in menu tray, :/ is there any way to detect all skype installation ?
[09:27] <sub526> I messed up my Ubuntu system and now I want to reinstall it. Is it possible to reinstall without external USB disk?
[09:29] <EriC^^> sub526: do you have an iso?
[09:34] <sub526> EriC^^: I want to reinstall it to custom ubuntu image. Custom ubuntu image (16_04_server.img is a x86 boot sector) is available on other machine on network.. Is there a command to deploy the custom image?
[09:36] <EriC^^> sub526: "sudo dd if=16_04_server.img of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress && sync"  where /dev/sdX is the hdd of the machine you want to install it to (not a partition of the disk)
[09:38] <sub526> EriC^^: how to know the hdd(/dev/sdX) name of my machine?
[09:38] <EriC^^> sub526: usually "sudo parted -ls" shows the disks
[09:39] <EriC^^> sub526: be sure the disk is of the other machine and not the one you're booted on though, or you'll overwrite your good install
[09:39] <k_sze> How do I use `apt` to list all the packages that are installable from a particular repository?
[09:41] <EriC^^> k_sze: maybe "apt list --all-versions" with some parsing after that?
[09:52] <DominikF> Hey everyone, is there an official cloud-image for ubuntu desktop to test things? There seem to be some differences between server and desktop and I would like to test some stuff on both.
[09:54] <phobosoph> DominikF: Hehe, I mean, there is a dedicated page just for that :)  https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[09:55] <DominikF> phobosoph: I might be blind, but I only see server images there.
[09:55] <Cymew> Hi. I have tried to preseed a 20.04 install with a openssh-server install as the last stage, but it fails silently. Anyone know why "ubiquity ubiquity/success_command string apt install openssh-server" is the wrong way, and can tell me the correct way?
[10:13] <miguel_clean> I plan to get a wireless headsset that ships with an usb adapter and wonder how to find out if this will work under linux?
[10:23] <MrElendig> google usually helps
[10:23] <MrElendig> or the manual
[10:23] <MrElendig> other than that: buy from a store that allows you to test it
[10:23] <MrElendig> (and return it if it doesn't work)
[10:24] <MrElendig> is this one of those fancy virtual 5.1 headphones?
[10:30] <gfidias> interested in linux, can you recommend a laptop suitable for ubuntu 20.04?
[10:32] <MrElendig> depends on use case and budget
[10:32] <MrElendig> generally speaking: get something with a ryzen 4xxx serie chip
[10:32] <gfidias> assuming budget is no problem?
[10:33] <gfidias> and no gaming
[10:33] <MrElendig> and intel 200ax wifi and no optimus
[10:34] <phobosoph> The latest Windows got a linux kernel <3
[10:34] <MrElendig> some of the announced lenovo ones with ryzen looks interesting
[10:34] <phobosoph> why not use a linux kernel
[10:34] <phobosoph> *on windows
[10:34] <phobosoph> I hope windows offers an uninstaller for the NT kernel
[10:36] <phobosoph> 2020 is crazy enough right? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/wsl/wsl2-index
[10:37] <gfidias> had problems in the past with graphics cards, soundcards. any machines tested with ubuntu 20.04?
[10:37] <phobosoph> oh, and WSL 2 also gets GPU support!!!
[10:38] <PonySoldier> anyone know why I can't get my terminal working properly with tic -x termite.terminfo on ubuntu 20 LTS?
[10:39] <PonySoldier> oh now it works
[10:39] <PonySoldier> thanks
[10:40] <mceier> gfidias: lenovo and dell officialy sell laptops with ubuntu
[10:40] <gfidias> thanks
[10:47] <tab000> hello guys , I installed Ubuntu 20 server and chose lvm during the installation, but I don't know why when my disk space is not the same space that is my sda3
[10:48] <tab000> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D9tbdcC4VC/
[10:50] <tab000> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zbh9ByRf6m/
[10:52] <neilh90> Hey guys. I am on 20.04 and have an awful lot of screen tearing
[10:52] <neilh90> GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5
[10:55] <MrElendig> tab000: lvdisplay and lsblk -f can be handy
[10:57] <tab000> MrElendig: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q3thpF3BZc/
[10:58] <MrElendig> you have probably not assigned all the space in the vg to any lv
[10:58] <tab000> MrElendig: what should I do now for that ?
[10:58] <MrElendig> depends on what you want to do with the system
[10:59] <MrElendig> eg make a new lv and assign it to /srv with as much space as you need to serve all your webstuff
[10:59] <MrElendig> if that is what you are going to use the server for
[10:59] <tab000> I need to increase / space
[11:00] <neilh90> Could anyone help me with this screen tearing
[11:00] <tab000> and any time that I want , I can to increase  /  disk space
[11:00] <MrElendig> lvextend -r ....
[11:00] <MrElendig> lvresize*
[11:02] <tab000> first I should make a new logical vol and then resize / ?
[11:04] <MrElendig> if you only want to resize / then you don't need to make a new lv
[11:04] <tab000> MrElendig: lvcreate -n vol_backups -l 100%FREE ubuntu-vg is correct ?
[11:05] <MrElendig> and if you do that, you won't have space to grow /
[11:05] <tab000> MrElendig: I faced "/etc/lvm/archive/.lvm_sentry_75083_370297841: write error failed: No space left on device"
[11:06] <MrElendig> just add 5gb or whatever to your /
[11:07] <tab000> MrElendig: my sda3 is around 500G and I want all of them to lvm
[11:07] <MrElendig> tab000: all of it is assigned to the pv/vg
[11:07] <MrElendig> but the lv mounted as / is just 4gb
[11:08] <MrElendig> you can grow that using lvresize -r ....
[11:08] <tab000> where did I mistake that my space became 4gb ?
[11:09] <tab000> I should install Ubuntu from the beginning ?
[11:12] <EriC^^> tab000: it's a bug, someone else had same issue earlier
[11:12] <EriC^^> tab000: just expand the lvm and underlying fs using the lvresize command
[11:16] <tab000> EriC^^: I used this "lvextend --size +40G /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv" but it says "/etc/lvm/archive/.lvm_sentry_75355_1444222021: write error failed: No space left on device"
[11:17] <sub526> I want to change the hostname my ubuntu machine. Which files need to be modified?
[11:20] <EriC^^> tab000: type "lvdisplay;pvdisplay" and pastebin
[11:21] <EriC^^> tab000: dont use extend, you want to use resize so it does the fs at the same time, otherwise it can get messy
[11:21] <EriC^^> tab000: also you probably want to do this from a live usb, i dont think you can resize the fs with it mounted
[11:21] <tab000> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wTfCRMjhbw/
[11:23] <EriC^^> tab000: ok boot a live usb to do it
[11:24] <tab000> when I was installing I accept this https://imgur.com/H7tUBNd
[11:26] <EriC^^> tab000: ok
[11:29] <EriC^^> tab000: you'll need to run 'lvresize -rl +100%FREE /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv to use the whole space, from a live session
[11:30] <tab000> EriC^^: I am trying to find how to go to live
[11:33] <PonySoldier> why can i not access my ubuntu server after installing some packages?
[11:33] <PonySoldier> i mean i can access it, but when i type something, nothing happens
[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:38] <PonySoldier> figured it out
[11:41] <EriC^^> tab000: do you have the live server iso?
[11:41] <EriC^^> tab000: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1052835/how-to-try-ubuntu-18-04-live-server
[11:42] <tab000> EriC^^: I have this one "ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64"
[11:42] <EriC^^> tab000: yes, that's the one, follow the instructions in the link above to get a shell, see if it sees the lv in 'parted -ls'
[11:42] <tab000> I think I have to use desktop image \
[11:44] <EriC^^> tab000: no it should work from live server, but you might need to do "lvchange -ay"   to load the lvs and if that command isnt there you might need to temporarily install lvm2 package
[11:46] <tab000> EriC^^: I follow this "To get to the "live" part of the live server, you have to choose "Install", then press Ctrl+Alt+F2-F6 to get to another TTY, where you will be given a shell.
[11:46] <tab000> "
[11:46] <tab000> but there is no " TTY"
[11:46] <EriC^^> are you doing it in a vm?
[11:46] <tab000> should I use expert mode
[11:46] <tab000> yes esxi
[11:47] <EriC^^> tab000: maybe you need special key for ctrl+alt, in vbox it's "right ctrl" same as pressing those in the guest vm
[11:48] <tab000> EriC^^: https://imgur.com/L4WofTd
[11:49] <EriC^^> tab000: no, first press on "install ubuntu server"
[11:50] <EriC^^> tab000: once it loads the screen for installation press ctrl+alt+f2
[11:53] <shinobi> I removed snaps from my 20.04 install and no longer have ubuntu store. Is there a way to get the store for just debs?
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> shinobi: the store got replaced by the snap-store now
[11:57] <tab000> EriC^^: https://imgur.com/NyebYB7
[11:57] <shinobi> that's too bad. I liked the idea of reviews and such, just not a fan of snap.
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> shinobi: the snap-store holds the packes from apt aswell
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> packages
[11:58] <Cymew> I can't seem to find the log for this channel, so sorry for repeating myself after getting netsplit.
[11:58] <Cymew> Hi. I have tried to preseed a 20.04 install with a openssh-server install as the last stage, but it fails silently. Anyone know why "ubiquity ubiquity/success_command string apt install openssh-server" is the wrong way, and can tell me the correct way?
[12:09] <marslander> hey guys
[12:10] <marslander> i3wm doesn't recognize my PrtSc key
[12:11] <pymagic> anyone using cockpit here? Anything else apart from landscape to manage a 10+ machines / 10+ users?
[12:11] <legreffier> marslander: it doesn't recognize any of those keys unless you specify it so.
[12:11] <marslander> bindsym --release Print  exec --no-startup-id maim ~/Pictures/screenshot.png
[12:11] <marslander> thats the command I have in i3 config
[12:12] <marslander> legreffier: ^
[12:14] <marslander> if I switch 'Print' to 'Pause', the command works with Pause key
[12:14] <Cymew> pymagic: What do you want to do for managing tasks? Patching? Package groups in Landscape is probably the default way, otherwise you probably want to look at ansible.
[12:15] <legreffier> marslander: are you sure the printscreen key actually send that symbol ?
[12:15] <pymagic> Cymew, I just need a few things: Add/delete users. Change sudo. Remove/update ssh keys.
[12:15] <pymagic> Cockpit does not look like the right tool for this
[12:16] <marslander> legreffier: yes because this: https://www.reddit.com/r/i3wm/wiki/faq/screenshot_binding
[12:16] <legreffier> (for example, here, my printscr key will 'X86-RFkill', unless i press Fn too )
[12:16] <marslander> how to I use 'xev' to tell me what my Print screen key is called?
[12:17] <legreffier> marslander: just launch it from a terminal
[12:18] <marslander> legreffier: it says 0xFF61. Print
[12:19] <marslander> but Print isn't working
[12:19] <marslander> what the hell/
[12:19] <marslander> please let me know what I can do to fix it
[12:21] <marslander> I also tried 'buindsym 0xff61 ...'
[12:22] <marslander> I also tried 'bindsym 0xff61 ...'
[12:23] <Velarde> are you talking about print screen?
[12:23] <marslander> yes
[12:24] <marslander> I'm trying to fix that key. The physical key works fine, it's just that it doesn't want to be mapped using i3 config
[12:24] <marslander> it's driving me nuts
[12:25] <marslander> i3 config is supposed to take this 'bindsym Print exec whatever.command.I.want'
[12:27] <Velarde> maybe you can find other ways outside i3 to map the key
[12:27] <Velarde> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_shortcuts#Xorg
[12:28] <marslander> ok I'll try
[12:30] <Cymew> pymagic: Sounds like you should learn some ansible. You can use cockpit for a lot of things, but you will have to click your way through all the machines. You need to use some proper automation.
[12:47] <marslander> I installed xkeycaps and when I press PrtSc, Del key gets highlighted
[12:54] <Velarde> lol
[12:54] <Velarde> maybe you're using a different keymap instead of the US english one?
[13:00] <alwyn> I am trying to upgrade an ubuntu server from 14.04 to 16.04 (yes, I know, please don't mention it), and do-release-upgrade keeps saying "No candidate ver: linux-image-3.16.0-36-generic" and for more versions, however 3.X isn't installed at all...
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> alwyn: upgrade from eol versions is highly discouraged
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> alwyn: unless you are a payed ESM user?
[13:06] <alwyn> lotuspsychje: we are, however I am not sure if we use ESM on these machines specifically
[13:06] <alwyn> lotuspsychje: can you elaborate on highly discouraged? It should still be doable right? I'm not skipping a version or anything
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> alwyn: well alot of security flaws on eol versions see !usn so we advice to upgrade to the next before your system goes eol
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> alwyn: yes its possible to do !eolupgrade but not really reccomended
[13:08] <MrHall> Hi! I have mounted an usb over a folder but cant change user owner of these files, how can i do it? With sudo chmod -R /myMontedFolder i couldnt
[13:08] <alwyn> lotuspsychje: I agree on your point of security, however that's beyond my question
[13:08] <alwyn> !eolupgrade
[13:08] <MrHall> I want to do these because i create a smbd server but i cant add or delete files
[13:08] <MrHall> Just read
[13:12] <AlexMax> I have Firefox set as my default browser, and yet Chrome sees fit to open any HTML files on my disk opened with xdg-open. How do I change this?
[13:19] <leftyfb> AlexMax: https://itsfoss.com/change-default-applications-ubuntu/
[13:21] <Velarde> so you get firefox from running "xdg-settings get default-web-browser"?
[13:22] <AlexMax> leftyfb: The defaults in settings are already set.  The latter settings don't stick - even when I "Open With" and change it to Firefox, it doesn't stick.
[13:22] <leftyfb> Velarde: it's not the default browser setting
[13:23] <AlexMax> The "Open with" setting doesn't stick.  I open with Firefox, but it still shows up as Chrome later.
[13:24] <leftyfb> AlexMax: try editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[13:25] <kk4ewt> AlexMax;  of course one way is to remove chrome :)
[13:25] <AlexMax> That's a silly answer, I need both installed. :)
[13:26] <AlexMax> Well, not quite silly, because you are quite correct, but silly on Ubuntu's part because I shouldn't have to remove the browser just to remove it as a default.
[13:26] <Velarde> Does anyone use MS Teams on Ubuntu?
[13:27] <Velarde> It uses so much resources and takes over camera and microphone, is there any way to limit the app?
[13:36] <AlexMax> leftyfb: That was an enlightening thing to look for.  I think I could fix it if I needed to, but I wanted to do a little more research and found out that there is also a mimeapps.list, that is considered the more up to date file to modify.
[13:37] <AlexMax> So yeah, for your edification, there's a ~/.config/mimeapps.list that contains added associations and defaults
[13:38] <AlexMax> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_MIME_Applications
[13:39] <AlexMax> Still, i appreciate your suggestion, because without it would've taken me a fair bit longer to get there
[13:52] <kreyren> Heeelp~ https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/b58bd8d198dd3f7227f47127c4de69fa
[14:03] <leftyfb> !ot | kreyren
[14:03] <kreyren> leftyfb, !!!!
[14:03] <kreyren> u always ruin any fun ;c
[14:04] <kreyren> Also might be relevant seems to mension your driver https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware
[14:04] <leftyfb> kreyren: feel free to get gaming advice from #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:04] <kreyren> ooop wrong chat
[14:04] <kreyren> leftyfb, fiineee~
[14:12] <Vooloo> so I am using google chrome, and I have a SVG logo that renders differently in windows vs linux, what is up with that?
[14:12] <Vooloo> it is not even the same font
[14:35] <ignapk> hi, could someone be so kind and quickly check for me if ubuntu store/snap store allows to preview app screenshots in fullscreens?
[14:57] <RoseBus> i can't ignapk
[14:57] <ignapk> thank you RoseBus!
[15:13] <andi_> can sonebody tell me how space this mirror will use? https://paste.xinu.at/46c/
[15:17] <EriC^^> andi_: what do you mean? you're making a local mirror?
[15:19] <andi_> EriC^^: yes that's what i'm doing
[15:21] <neilh90> Hey guys, I am getting an awful lot of screen tering on Ubuntu 20.04. Can anyone help me? GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5
[15:49] <nelgin> Hi all.I'm using the new Ubuntu 20.04 installer and want to setup my boot disk as a raid 1, however after creating the / /home and swap partitions, I'm unable to select the raid as a boot device. I'm open to suggestions.
[15:52] <nelgin> AH, I think I have found a solution.
[15:52] <neilh90> Hey guys, I am getting an awful lot of screen tering on Ubuntu 20.04. Can anyone help me? GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5
[15:55] <rjb> neilh90: same here but with nvidia. i set in nvidia x server settings to "nvidia on-demand" (was nvidia performance mode before). don't know what options you have with ATI. drawback is that 3d apps won't start on my pc with on-demand mode
[15:56] <diddly> hi, father-in-law's desktop just upgraded itself to 20.04, are .desktop files with Type=Link no longer supported?
[16:13] <alwyn> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#recognized-keys still lists Link at least
[16:19] <Velarde> rjb, I fixed tearing with nvidia a few days ago and it seems to be a permanent solution
[16:19] <Velarde> are you using the official drivers with the nvidia-settings app?
[16:38] <mindbender1> I am having a bad experience at the moment with Ubuntu 20.04 screen lag and cracking issue.
[16:38] <mindbender1> https://imgur.com/gallery/eMebDC3 show how my screen looks when this happens
[16:39] <mindbender1> Ubuntu 20.04 running on hp spectre x360 15-bl112dx
[16:39] <Deano59> mindbender1: Nvidia gpu?
[16:40] <mindbender1> Deano59, honestly I believe so
[16:40] <Deano59> Check the release notes for focal
[16:40] <mindbender1> Deano59, https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05787871#AbT1
[16:41] <Deano59> There's a known bug afaik
[16:41] <mindbender1> Deano59, okay let me see
[16:41] <mindbender1> Deano59, is there a workaround for the bug?
[16:51] <rjb> Velarde: yes, i have the official recommended drivers installed using the nvidia-settings app
[16:55] <Velarde> rjb: then performance should yield less artifacts than on-demand
[16:56] <rjb> Velarde: on-demand is almost perfect with v-sync, but performance mode is awfully tearing here
[16:58] <sayhisname> !openpgp
[17:00] <sayhisname> I need to know how to import a PGP pubkey on ubuntu
[17:01] <bparker> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --import-keys <key id>
[17:01] <bparker> IIRC
[17:01] <Deano59> ^
[17:02] <Deano59> Don't forget apt update
[17:02] <sayhisname> openpgp for thunderbird
[17:02] <Deano59> Ew
[17:10] <stdedos> It seems that https://askubuntu.com/questions/180079/ctrl-c-ctrl-v-not-working-in-different-keyboard-layout is somewhat still an issue in Bionic. Has it been fixed / has a workaround>
[17:16] <nbusrone> How many of user here select /home to a mechanical Hard disk when ubuntu OS in SSD  ? any perfromance different ?
[17:18] <evlute2> hi, i'm missing the application /usr/lib/at-spi-bus-launcher, even if at-spi2-core is installed
[17:18] <evlute2> how do is get this program?
[17:18] <stdedos> Not me at least. Huge blobs don't go to /home (NAS), and all the rest, there is no point to not go to SSD. Try a complicated make and feel the difference :-p
[17:38] <ioria> evlute2, what release ? 20.04 ?
[17:38] <evlute2> yes
[17:38] <ioria> evlute2,  ls /usr/libexec/at-spi-bus-launcher
[17:40] <evlute2> oh yes, thank you
[17:40] <ioria> ok
[18:20] <neilh90> Hey guys, I am having terrible screen tearing on ubuntu 20.04. Can anyone help me with it please?  GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5
[18:22] <paperhawk> hey all, pretty new here but i was hoping that someone might be able to help troubleshoot some restart/locking issues that i've seen with a new computer. if this isn't the place to look, could someone point me in the right direction?
[18:23] <three> neilh90 what have you tried doing?
[18:23] <three> paperhawk youre going to need to elaborate on your issue
[18:25] <Deano59> paperhawk: don't ask to ask, shoot your question.
[18:25] <Deano59> Someone might know, or might not.
[18:25] <Deano59> :)
[18:26] <paperhawk> Right, I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and I noticed that my screen suddenly decided to lock and then the screen went black. I couldn't do anything until I held down the power button and restarted. Afterwards, I opened up chrome and started scrolling through syslog. Switching between the two was slow and it looks like it logged me out.
[18:28] <paperhawk> I'm still looking through syslog at the moment but let me know if there's any other information I can provide.
[18:29] <three> which desktop environment and display manager are you using?
[18:30] <paperhawk> I'm using Gnome
[18:30] <paperhawk> Let me see if I can check the display manager.
[18:31] <paperhawk> Looks like gdm3?
[18:32] <paperhawk> Gnome 3.28.2 specifically.
[18:33] <neilh90> three, I'm not too sure what I can do atm
[18:34] <neilh90> I am new to linux. But I did check the additional drivers part of the upgrade tool. But there is only a driver for the network manager
[18:35] <three> the drivers for amd cards are packaged with the linux kernal normally. When does the screen tearring occur
[18:36] <neilh90> If I move windows, if I scroll, say on google chrome
[18:36] <neilh90> and watching videos
[18:36] <three> paperhawk I'm not really sure how to help unless you can provide more info about the situation. Like have you ben able to recreate the problem multiple times to narrow down what could be causing it?
[18:36] <three> what kind of monitor are you using?
[18:37] <three> oh are you on a laptop
[18:37] <neilh90> Yeah a new HP Pavilion
[18:39] <three> neilh90 check out this wiki page. its for arch but it should still be relevant https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI
[18:39] <paperhawk> three, I'm not able to recreate the problem since it happens spontaneously for the most part.
[18:41] <three> paperhawk im not really sure then personally. Try googling something like "ubuntu 20.04 randomly logs out"
[18:41] <three> id say google is your best bet
[18:44] <paperhawk> Well, thanks for your help anyway, three.
[18:45] <sarnold> paperhawk: is there anything funny in dmesg? journalctl?
[18:48] <paperhawk> sarnold, I'll take a look.
[18:49] <paperhawk> Initial look at dmesg shows me a bunch of apparmor='DENIED' for discord, but I don't think that would've done something like that.
[18:51] <sarnold> paperhawk: yeah, that's https://github.com/snapcrafters/discord/issues/23
[18:52] <paperhawk> journalctl has "deja-dup-monito[3834]: Source ID 785 was not found when attempting to remove it"  as well as "gsd-sharing[2425]: Failed to StopUnit service: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit:"
[18:52] <paperhawk> with various services after it.
[18:52] <sarnold> deja-dup is probably unrelated, gnome or gtk stuff spews those all the time
[18:52] <sarnold> gsd-sharing, I'm not sure, that one might be related
[18:53] <paperhawk> I took a look in /var/crash and did see some python trace from dell-linux assistant
[19:03] <paperhawk> Not the most helpful error message but I found this "gnome-session-binary[2277]: Unrecoverable failure in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop" and "gnome-session-binary[2277]: WARNING: App 'org.gnome.Shell.desktop' respawning too quickly"
[19:04] <paperhawk> sarnold, I'll try to trace the PID now through the log and see what I find.
[19:05] <sarnold> paperhawk: do you have any gnome extensions enabled?
[19:05] <sarnold> paperhawk: gnome extensions are apparently pretty flaky and can cause crashes when the slightest things go wrong
[19:05] <paperhawk> I do.
[19:05] <paperhawk> I have it enabled so that I could customize my toolbar up top.
[19:07] <paperhawk> But I think you're probably on to something. I think this is where it failed "systemd[2247]: gnome-terminal-server.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE"
[19:09] <paperhawk> And this would be where I noticed slowness when Alt-tabbing between programs I think "systemd[2247]: gnome-terminal-server.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE"
[19:10] <paperhawk> Oops real one "/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[2266]: (EE) client bug: timer event17 tap: offset negative (-2741ms)"
[19:11] <sarnold> how'd you tap on something nearly three seconds in the future? :)
[19:16] <paperhawk> By tapping very fast I suppose. But in all seriousness I think gnome extensions might be the issue. I can probably do some googling given some of the errors I see. Thanks for pointing me towards journalctl, sarnold. Totally forgot about that.
[19:18] <sarnold> paperhawk: it'd probably be fastest to bisect the extensions -- turn off half of them, see if that fixes things, if so, re-enable half, if not, disable the other half, etc
[19:20] <Ublx> Hi, after the last update with 'sudo apt' my version of mutt was updated and now it doesn't start because of an error with the tls-connection. I didn't change the configuration. Using Ubuntu 18.04. Any ideas?
[19:24] <ioria> Ublx, works fine here; maybe check syslog
[19:24] <sarnold> Ublx: yes, moment
[19:25] <paperhawk> Sounds like a good idea, sarnold. It's rather difficult since it seems pretty random but we'll see. Thanks again for the suggestions.
[19:25] <sarnold> Ublx: note comment #5 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutt/+bug/1884588
[19:31] <Ublx> ioria: Thanks but: sarnold: That's it. I am using the "Let's encrypt" certificate. But when it's a bug like this, I cannot "solve" it, right?
[19:34] <Ublx> Oh, I see, there's a patch. Could you help me please how I install it?
[19:38] <sarnold> Ublx: Ublx for whichever release you're on, click the 'mutt' that corresponds with your release
[19:38] <sarnold> Ublx: then click amd64 or whatever corresponds to your hardware (uname -a will tell you)
[19:39] <sarnold> Ublx: then there's a .deb file -- skip the .ddeb file
[19:40] <Ublx> Great, thanks so much sarnold: I wasn't sure about the build. With uname I got 'x86_64'. So which one should I choose?
[19:51] <Gapi> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz (3.70GHz) • Memory: 31.9 GiB Total (26.7 GiB Free) • Storage: 2.4 TiB / 6.3 TiB (3.9 TiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 • Uptime: 1w 3d 23h 38m 29s
[19:53]  * Gapi is now playing: Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
[19:54] <pymagic> My wifi chipset is not working with 5Ghz on ubuntu - what is a good usb driver to buy with it - that will work on ubuntu? Cheap/reliable and fast please :)
[19:55] <Gapi> atheros something
[19:55] <sarnold> Ublx: that's amd64
[19:55] <pymagic> Gapi, https://www.amazon.com/Panda-Wireless-PAU06-300Mbps-Adapter/dp/B00JDVRCI0 ?
[19:56] <pymagic> doesn't work on 5GHz band
[20:03] <Gapi> if you read the description you will se it is only 2.4 Ghz
[20:04] <Gapi> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0829HWNMV/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
[20:05] <Gapi> in descripton  it say it will work with linux
[20:06] <Gapi> but little puzzled  with kernel 2.6 to 4.5  dunno  if 5.x
[20:06] <Ublx> Thanks sarnold!
[20:07] <Gapi> https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media/sc/5ca7c207-0aba-466d-ba4f-84d3a752c91e.__CR0,0,300,300_PT0_SX300_V1___.jpg
[20:08] <Ublx> sarnold: Wahoooo!!! It works. Thanks so much! :)
[21:00] <flying_sausages> hey guys, I've got an odd WiFi issue and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it. My notebook is connected to wifi but I'm unable to use it using some apps only. For example my Hexchat is still connected to my ZNC but my firefox cannot reach anything past the local network.
[21:00] <flying_sausages> Anyone seen this before? What sort of troubleshooting can I do?
[21:01] <flying_sausages> Furthermore the router itself doesn't seem to be able to ping google (from its interface) but I am still connected to my ZNC somehow...
[21:04] <sarnold> flying_sausages: what error messages do you get frmo the different appolications?
[21:41] <analogical> is it possible to play videos in ubuntu server?
[21:47] <EriC^^> analogical: in the terminal without a de? yes, but dont expect a miracle
[21:50] <EriC^^> analogical: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/160212/watch-youtube-videos-in-terminal
[22:15] <Mordoc> Is there a means to put a snap application (such as Barrier) in the startup. I see the folder in my home directory but no files.
[22:15] <Mordoc> It would be handy if Barrier started on logon.
[22:38] <Mordoc> Nevermind folks, some advanced Googl'ing is showing me some answers...
[22:43] <gebbione> usb <-> SATA drive suddenly does not show up in Disks
[22:44] <gebbione> and i cannot see it in "ls /dev/ | grep sd"
[22:44] <gebbione> any ideas?
[22:46] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Bad cable is one idea . bad connection is another. Does the USB port function with other devices ?
[22:48] <gebbione> a sandisk drive just popped up
[22:48] <gebbione> the drive is connected with a SATA cable, it was working today when suddenly it disappeared
[22:50] <gebbione> frustrating :/
[22:50] <gebbione> thanks anyway, night
[22:54] <B0g4r7> What's all this "snap" business?  I never saw it in 18.04, but it's all up in my 20.04.
[22:55] <B0g4r7> My system shows no less than 20 /dev/loopN filesystems mounted that are somehow associated with snap.
[22:56] <sarnold> B0g4r7: it's a new package format that's intended to make it easier to upgrade portions of the system on independent cycles
[22:56] <sarnold> https://snapcraft.io/
[22:56] <B0g4r7> I tried to save a file from a program that was "snapped", and I was not able to write it to my home directory.
[22:56] <B0g4r7> So far I don't like it.
[22:58] <sarnold> B0g4r7: that's the sandboxing that's in place -- https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management https://snapcraft.io/docs/supported-interfaces
[23:01] <B0g4r7> So, is there a way to save a file from a snap sandboxed program?
[23:04] <sarnold> B0g4r7: snaps can always save to their own data directory; many snaps can also have the 'home' interface connected to let them store into your home directory
[23:05] <dengi> will Ubuntu work with mac cpus?
[23:05] <B0g4r7> This one doesn't let me save at all.  "There was an error trying to save the transaction history to /home/user/Documents/myexport.csv".
[23:05] <B0g4r7> "The interfaces used by a snap can be shown in two ways, either graphically through the Software application or via the command-line."
[23:06] <B0g4r7> Software application huh.  I don't see any application by that name installed when I look in the menu.
[23:06] <Bashing-om> !mac | dengi
[23:08] <B0g4r7> I must say, this is a big step backwards when it comes to ease of use.  If I had known to expect this I might have stayed with 18.04.
[23:11] <EriC^^> B0g4r7: i think you can still install using apt and repos instead of snaps
[23:11] <dengi> Mac announced that they will use own cpus
[23:11] <dengi> so it will require pretty new kernel
[23:12] <Bashing-om> B0g4r7: I too am not comfortable with snaps - while we can remove the daemon from the system - unfortunatly there are some apps that are only available in the snap format.
[23:12] <sarnold> dengi: no one knows if you'll be able to swap out the software on the new macs or not
[23:12] <B0g4r7> Who is Mac?
[23:12] <sarnold> dengi: they're going to be building aarch64 kernels, which ubuntu has supported for years -- but peripherals such as video, network, storage, etc may all require brand new work
[23:13] <B0g4r7> OK, so the webpage uses the wrong name.  When they say "Software application" they mean the "Ubuntu Software" application.
[23:15] <B0g4r7> I followed the instructions and examined tha snap permissions, and added the only available permission that was not available "Read and write files from removable storage devices", and after restarting the application it still is not able to write a file to my home directory.
[23:15] <B0g4r7> er, added the only available permission that was not already enabled.
[23:16] <B0g4r7> Ya, I hope I can find this program via apt somewhere.
[23:16] <sarnold> B0g4r7: before you uninstall it, could you run 'snap info' on the thing to find out where to report the problems with it?
[23:17] <dengi> sarnold: lol imagine if most apple users will install ubuntu
[23:18] <dengi> separate apple hardware from software
[23:18] <dengi> make them hardware only firm
[23:18] <B0g4r7> sarnold, http://termbin.com/q4ra
[23:19] <B0g4r7> I guess I should tell the devs.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> B0g4r7: " replaced with the Snap Store " You may find gnome-software easier to deal with: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2445853 for some background.
[23:21] <sarnold> B0g4r7: if you can include the dmesg | grep DENIED bits, they'll probably appreciate that :)
[23:38] <marslander> 'setterm --blank 0' tells me 'setterm: terminal xterm-256color does not support --blank'
[23:39] <marslander> how do I set blank to 0
[23:39] <marslander> ?


[04:43] <FirstTime> Hi!
[12:02] <studio-user986> Heya fellas!
[19:57] <studio-user435> hello, I'm using Ubuntu Studio 16.04.  The Whisker Menu shows ONLY generic applications.  I cannot get it to show all the video and audio applications.  Please help/