[00:06] <harris> when does it come out
[00:07] <dgonyeo> so I have a toro version of a galaxy nexus, and I want to try to install the takju galaxy nexus builds of ubuntu touch on it to see what happens
[00:07] <dgonyeo> phablet-flash -b -d takju doesn't work
[00:08] <dgonyeo> anyone have any advice?
[00:08] <harris> when does it come out
[00:09] <dgonyeo> I just want to know how to tell phablet-flash "just pretend install the builds for device y, ignore that you don't recignize the device"
[00:09] <dgonyeo> just install*
[00:12] <dgonyeo> nvm, i'm dumb
[00:12] <dgonyeo> -d maguro
[00:20] <savedjuli> hi
[00:33] <harris> when does it come out
[04:56] <DJJeff> clear
[04:56] <DJJeff> does Ubuntu Touch use wpa_supplicant for encrypted wifi? I cant find /data/ubuntu/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[04:58] <DJJeff> I found /data/ubuntu/etc/wpa_supplicant/ but it just has 3 .sh scripts in it
[04:59] <DJJeff> ps aux | grep wpa shows...
[04:59] <DJJeff> /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /run/sendsigs.omit.d/wpasupplicant.pid -u -s -O /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[04:59] <DJJeff> looks like its running but not sure where the conf file is :(
[05:02] <DJJeff> oh snap............ theres a command line interface with wpa_cli
[06:54] <diwic> Hi, is there an arm-eabi-gdb executable that works under ubuntu touch, and if so, how do I find it?
[07:40] <DJJeff> ok who is the wise one to break wpa_supplicant
[07:41] <DJJeff> just did apt-get dist-upgrade rebooted and now its not running anymore
[07:45] <effbiai> is there any where do download ubuntu for android source code? is it released for a phone, or is ubuntu edge the first phone to get it?
[07:48] <effbiai> reffering to this http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
[07:48] <ogra_> effbiai, neither binary nor source of UfA are public
[07:48] <ogra_> if the edge happens it will be released alongside though
[07:49] <ogra_> DJJeff, use nm-cli, dont use wpa_supplicant directly, this will most likely break stuff
[07:51] <DJJeff> -bash: nm-cli: command not found
[08:00] <ogra_> DJJeff, ah, sorry, no dash
[08:00] <ogra_> if you already fiddled with the setup it might indeed now work though
[08:01] <ogra_> *not
[08:01] <ogra_> DJJeff, is there any reaso why you dont use the UI btw ?
[08:03] <ogra_> (phablet-network-setup will help too in case your host PC has wlan)
[08:08] <DJJeff> my UI shows the networks but wont let me type a password
[08:08] <DJJeff> will only put a check mark
[08:08] <DJJeff> even if I select more then one network they all get check marks
[08:09] <DJJeff> ran tail -f /var/log/syslog in my ssh session and got nothing
[08:10] <ogra_> DJJeff, does your host PC have a wlan connection by chance ?
[08:10] <DJJeff> nope
[08:10] <diwic> ogra_, do you know if it is easy to compile an android binary? Just a small c file that will open an android library and call a function in there.
[08:10] <ogra_> ah, well, then nmcli it is
[08:10] <diwic> ogra_, using hybris in that scenario would be overkill perhaps
[08:11] <ogra_> diwic, xnox did roll a bionic/android toolchain we build the android packages with  ... i need to look up the package name ...
[08:11] <cjwatson> gcc-arm-linux-androideabi
[08:11] <ogra_> you should be able to cross build for android with it
[08:11] <ogra_> ah, thanks
[08:12] <diwic> cjwatson, is that the package name?
[08:13] <cjwatson> yes
[08:13] <diwic> cjwatson, aha, it is only available on amd64, not on armhf itself
[08:15] <ogra_> diwic, for cross building, yes
[08:16] <DJJeff> I only wish my WLAN0 TXPOWER was 1496 dBm lol
[08:16] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/0bjS6JM.png
[08:16] <DJJeff> peed my pants from laughing so hard
[08:17] <ogra_> well, again, dont use wpa_supplicant directly ...
[08:18] <ogra_> nmcli d help
[08:18] <ogra_> start from there
[08:18] <DJJeff> just googled this
[08:19] <DJJeff> http://pravin.paratey.com/posts/manage-wireless-networks-with-nmcli
[08:19] <DJJeff> nmcli -p dev wifi list
[08:19] <DJJeff> returned nothing for me :(
[08:20] <ogra_> what phone is that ?
[08:20] <DJJeff> rfkill list shows that nothing is blocked
[08:21] <DJJeff> and it worked just fine before I did apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:21] <ogra_> with nmcli ?
[08:21] <ogra_> editing wpa configs doesnt count
[08:21] <DJJeff> I was using wpa_supplicant before with wpa_cli
[08:21] <ogra_> right ...
[08:22] <DJJeff> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# iw wlan0 scan | grep SSID
[08:22] <DJJeff> shows my network just fine
[08:23] <ogra_> well, so should: nmcli d wifi list
[08:24] <DJJeff> it does not :(
[08:25] <ogra_> well, the good question would be now ... did it before you tinkered with the wpa settings ... but i guess you didnt try
[08:27] <DJJeff> http://puu.sh/3Ubc6.png
[08:30] <ogra_> DJJeff, well, its hard to tell if it isnt whon because you changed the wpa defaults or if it has to do anything with your disct upgrade
[08:30] <ogra_> *shown
[08:31]  * ogra_ would just flash freshly to make sure nothing is messed up, and then use nmcli on a fresh system ....
[08:32] <ogra_> if you hack around it now by not using teh default tools, it will likely just break again on a subsequent upgrade
[08:33] <DJJeff> seems that each time I set something up and get it working it breaks when I upgrade :(
[08:33] <DJJeff> I really need to stop upgrading
[08:33] <DJJeff> or just wait for this to become more stable before diving into the settings
[08:33] <ogra_> what device are you on ?
[08:34] <DJJeff> Samsung GT 10.1 Wifi (p4wifi)
[08:34] <ogra_> (also be extremely careful with upgrading, there are shared pieces in android that arent packaged so you need to re-flash a freshly built zip alongside on upgrades)
[08:35] <ogra_> (wont influence wlan though ... )
[08:35] <DJJeff> past upgrades have been ok (for the last 3 weeks)
[08:36] <DJJeff> untill today where I noticed network-manager got updated
[08:36] <DJJeff> and same with wpa_supplicant
[08:38] <DJJeff> been using open non encrpyted networks in the past with just (iwconfig wlan0 essid "networkname") and (dhclient wlan0)
[08:43] <ogra_> asac, looking at the dashboard it smells like another week without release ...
[08:43] <ogra_> all new tests seem to fail
[08:44] <ogra_> (we should probably rename the "dailys" to "weeklys" :P )
[08:44] <ogra_> gema, ^^^
[08:48] <didrocks> ogra_: see, and you want minutely! :p
[08:48] <didrocks> ogra_: daily releases are being to move on a 3 hours schedule probably FYI
[08:49] <ogra_> didrocks, well, minutely would indeed assume thests are working :P
[08:49] <didrocks> ogra_: right, welcome to my world of pain ;)
[08:49] <ogra_> (and that we invent some kind fo time warp mechanism to make them finish in under a minute)
[08:49] <didrocks> ogra_: let me make some "research" playing chrono cross :)
[08:49] <ogra_> hehe
[08:50] <ogra_> welll, i think multiple dailies would be a good start already
[08:50] <didrocks> won't fix the "flacky/failing tests" though
[08:50] <didrocks> but yeah, you will get quicker to the image
[08:50] <ogra_> no, indeed
[08:50] <ogra_> thats up to the devs of the apps
[08:51] <ogra_> (or devs of the tests ... depending where what fails)
[08:51] <didrocks> I need to get some locking system in place though to prevent if we can't make the 3 hours target because of timing out tests
[08:51] <didrocks> that should be easy enough, but need some thoughts to be scalable
[08:52] <ogra_> yeah, could get hairy if they dleay your stuff more than once ... like ten times in a row .... and suddenly you test two days old stuff from a queue
[08:52] <ogra_> *delay
[08:52] <didrocks> ogra_: right, hence the easiest model is "if you miss the tick, you'll be picked in the next one"
[08:53] <ogra_> yup
[08:53] <didrocks> (but also, it expects pushing stuff in coherence every 3 hours)
[08:53] <didrocks> let's see how it goes, pushing stuff in coherence was already hard to get ;)
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D
[10:04] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, Saviq, mzanetti: that's a plain Jenkins-failure, right -> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/1596/console ?
[10:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, yes
[10:04] <tsdgeos> yep
[10:04] <tsdgeos> just retrigger it
[10:04] <MacSlow> ok
[10:04] <ogra_> hmpf, unity8 eats constantly ~40% CPU here
[10:04] <ogra_> my load is around 3.6
[10:05] <seb128> ogra_, it's a feature, it's to keep your pocket warm in winter
[10:05] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[10:05] <tsdgeos> ogra_: dednick is working on trying to find out what that happes
[10:05] <ogra_> surfaceflinger seems busy as well ... not as much as unity8 though
[10:06] <ogra_> tsdgeos, ah, awesome
[10:06] <tsdgeos> it sucks that is not easily/trivially reproducible
[10:07] <ogra_> i see it on a parted device more often than on a nexus
[10:07] <ogra_> *ported
[10:09] <dednick> my wpa_supplicant process quite often goes to +95% usage and stays there...
[10:11] <dednick> making reproducing a pain.
[10:11] <ogra_> dednick, yeah, we have rasec all over the place
[10:11] <ogra_> *races
[10:12] <ogra_> jodh's upstart bridge into android will help a lot with that (hopefully)
[10:12] <jodh> ogra_: yeah - death to sleeps! :)
[10:13] <ogra_> !!
[10:24] <ogra_> gusch, i think ricmm might be able to help you, he reworked the PID handling when we flipped ...
[10:24] <gusch> ogra_: thx
[10:29] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:29] <davmor2> ogra_: how are the images coming along?
[10:29] <ogra_> 0804 looks fine
[10:30] <ogra_> waiting for a burp from cdimage for 05
[10:30] <ogra_> the new tests mostly fail though
[10:30] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah I have 04
[10:30] <ogra_> so i wouldnt expect a release soon
[10:30] <davmor2> ogra_: fair enough
[10:31] <davmor2> ogra_: I noticed that the images test rates were all over the place
[10:31] <ogra_> all over the place ?
[10:33] <davmor2> ogra_: 30-odd % saturday 70-odd% sunday
[10:33] <ogra_> ah, yeah, that perscentage computing is totally weird
[10:34] <ogra_> but 100% are 100% at least :)
[10:35] <davmor2> ogra_: 100% of the test are definitely tests
[10:35] <ogra_> well, i meant success rate indeed :)
[10:38] <DJJeff> im happy with my load / cpu usage hehehe http://puu.sh/3UekO.png
[10:38] <DJJeff>  03:36:58 up 4 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.16, 0.84, 0.38
[10:39] <ogra_> above 1 doesnt look so good for an idling device though
[10:39] <DJJeff> here is a screenshot of my HTOP http://puu.sh/3Ueoh.png
[10:42] <DJJeff> when I first flashed ubuntu on my tablet network manager was constantly @ 100% cpu till I stopped the ofono service
[11:08] <Cavallitek> hi
[11:13] <DJJeff> root@ubuntu-phablet:/tmp# nmcli dev list
[11:13] <DJJeff> GENERAL.NM-MANAGED:                     no
[11:14] <ogra_> if you had re-flashed when i told you, you might have a working system since 1h :)
[11:20] <DJJeff> oh I think I solved it.... :()   had to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[11:20] <DJJeff> took out ofono and put managed=true
[11:21] <DJJeff> nmcli con now shows
[11:21] <DJJeff> Ifupdown (wlan0)          5391eba4-6426-faca-338e-5828034ff9d1   802-3-ethernet    never
[11:22] <DJJeff> I choose reflash/reinstall as a last resort as you loose your work and dont learn anything
[11:24] <DJJeff> yup problem solved http://puu.sh/3Ufye.png
[11:24] <ogra_> congrats
[11:26] <DJJeff> oh and now wpa_cli decided to start working
[11:26] <DJJeff> so I guess doing apt-get dist-upgrade wiped out my .conf files and that was the issue
[11:26] <ogra_> right, and it would have done the same on next upgrade
[11:34] <asac> ogra_: moin moin
[11:34] <ogra_> moin
[11:35] <ogra_> dashboard doesnt look so good with the new tests
[11:35] <asac> doanac: gema: plars: dashboard needs help i guess
[11:35] <ogra_> maguro seems to hang
[11:35] <asac> ogra_: yesterday or so it was still ok (no big regressions on the existing ones)
[11:35] <ogra_> yeah, i was referring to the new ones
[11:35] <ogra_> they have a lot failures
[11:36] <asac> ogra_: balloons is the guy
[11:36] <ogra_> (not unexpected)
[11:36] <asac> he promissed quick fix
[11:36] <ogra_> balloons, ^^
[11:36] <ogra_> :)
[11:37] <asac> balloons: how is the test cleanup going?
[11:37] <asac> balloons: ogra has high hopes in you
[11:37] <ogra_> me ?!?
[11:37] <ogra_> you said he's the man :)
[11:37] <asac> ogra_: i guess today will be calm... lots of folks shaking out their pain
[11:37] <ogra_> yeah ... i'm melting anyway
[11:37] <asac> :)
[11:38] <asac> ogra_: move in a modern flat ... here in the north room i dont really get much heat
[11:38] <ogra_> though i at least want to have the livecd-rootfs android implementation done today
[11:38] <asac> ogra_: is everything in archive now?
[11:38] <ogra_> my basement is cold too
[11:38] <ogra_> asac, yes, but we still need a plan for doign automated daily builds for the package
[11:39] <ogra_> currently xnox does them manually on request
[11:39] <asac> ogra_: what packages?
[11:39] <ogra_> android
[11:39] <asac> ogra_: so phablet ppa is dead?
[11:39] <asac> can we kill it"?
[11:39] <asac> ah
[11:39] <ogra_> phablet PPA waits for ofono to be done afaik
[11:39] <asac> ogra_: just stuff it in
[11:39] <asac> instead of the other stuff
[11:39] <ogra_> awe and rsalveti are on it
[11:39] <asac> :P
[11:39] <ogra_> asac, thats my plan, but we still need an automated rebuild strategy
[11:40] <asac> ogra_: so what i want is that all that OEM has to touch is in container
[11:40] <ogra_> else hybris can go out of sync and you stay unbootable
[11:40] <asac> ogra_: so we might want to move more in there
[11:40] <asac> and maybe the android container should be a separate image like thing
[11:40] <asac> thing
[11:40] <ogra_> it is
[11:40] <asac> that we distribute as a separate baseline
[11:40] <asac> ogra_: good. then just live-build it
[11:41] <asac> done
[11:41] <ogra_> we cant distribute it separately
[11:41] <asac> ogra_: we already do, no?
[11:41] <ogra_> it always needs the matching hybris ABI
[11:41] <asac> e.g. +maguro
[11:41] <asac> why do we change hybris api?
[11:41] <ogra_> yes, but the build is 100% bound to the content of the armhf zip
[11:41] <asac> what changes hybris api? i would think if we dont move to a new android
[11:41] <ogra_> ABI :)
[11:41] <asac> we dont change that api
[11:41] <ogra_> not api
[11:42] <asac> abi changes, but api not?
[11:42] <ogra_> you need binary compatibility on both sides
[11:42] <asac> that feels odd
[11:42] <asac> i know
[11:42] <ogra_> i dotn care about api at all :P
[11:42] <asac> but... the hybris api/abi doesnt change much, i would think
[11:42] <ogra_> i do care about failing boots :)
[11:43] <ogra_> if hybris on the android side changed you need to rebuild android and need to re-flash along with updating the hybris deb on the ubuntu side
[11:45] <ogra_> and since hybris  and platform-api can hook into HW specific bits you cant just have a generic cross built hybris package that you could dump into the container
[11:46] <asac> ogra_: when does hybris change? isnt that just when new android comes out?
[11:58] <ogra_> asac, it changes all the time
[12:00] <xnox> ogra_: i can build 4.3 android emulator from aosp and it does run (that's target arch arm, running under qemu). Do you think it's sensible to try, ubuntu touch port against aosp builds? for some reason the cyanogenmod emulator builds are borked, and i don't feel like fixing that.
[12:02] <ogra_> xnox, why not, if you can get it to work
[12:53] <Mirv> renato_: hi, can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/address-book-app/+bug/1208343 which blocks phone stack publishing
[12:54] <ogra_> rsalveti, btw, you said sensorservice was moved to late_start to fix a race ... was that before or after the flip ? :)
[12:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: after flip
[12:55] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:55] <ogra_> sad, i had hopes
[13:25] <seb128> gusch, hey, are you working on the gallery-app (seems so from the commit history)?
[13:26] <davmor2> ogra_: hmmm that will be an interesting bug then,  on 05 disable wifi to allow 3g to be tested enable wifi refuses to connect correctly 3  then crashes the entire device instant reboot nice :)
[13:26] <gusch> seb128: yep - although currently busy with other stuff ;)
[13:27] <seb128> gusch, I've some questions for you if you have a bit of spare time :-)
[13:27] <seb128> gusch, 1- can I --pick-photo on a specific album (if not, is that planned)?
[13:28] <xnox> ogra_: do we at all have: unflipped userdata as .img ?
[13:28] <gusch> seb128: no, not planned at the moment
[13:29] <seb128> hum, ok
[13:29] <seb128> gusch, next question "is there a way to call that picker from qml"?
[13:30] <gusch> seb128: Kaleo is working on that picker API for QML, but the picker is not yet functional :(
[13:31] <seb128> gusch, ok, I'm asking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Appearance#Phone (to give some context)
[13:32] <seb128> gusch, I think I'm just going to make one entry calling gallery-app --pick-photo meanwhile
[13:33] <gusch> seb128: I'd say that's a good idea
[13:34] <seb128> Kaleo, hey, where can I get details on the content picker that you are working on and what it's going to do/support?
[13:34] <seb128> gusch, thanks for the replies ;-)
[13:35] <Kaleo> seb128: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1j7LsTDHLlYODMxXkz6PI-wqgDMvDuwlz8NWzSyYF9Zg/edit#heading=h.nm4hvq9ryltd
[13:35] <seb128> Kaleo, thanks
[13:36] <Kaleo> seb128: not working on it right now
[13:36] <seb128> Kaleo, do you have any idea when that's going to be available/usable?
[13:37] <gusch> seb128: not before I'v done the backend for it - don't hold your breath :(
[13:38] <seb128> hum
[13:38] <seb128> are you guys saying we should better build a custom image grid/picker for the background selection?
[13:38] <seb128> that google doc has 13.08 as target for a qml api in the sdk
[13:38] <seb128> I guess that needs to be revisited?
[13:41] <Kaleo> seb128: probably it has; maybe; maybe we manage to get something for end of month
[13:41] <Kaleo> seb128: can you work on something else in the meantime,
[13:41] <Kaleo> ?
[13:41] <seb128> Kaleo, yes
[13:41] <seb128> I'm just going to put that on hold with a note to revisit in septembre
[13:42] <seb128> if by then the content picker is still not there we might need a plan B
[13:42] <Kaleo> ok
[13:42] <seb128> gusch, Kaleo: thanks
[13:43] <seb128> gush: if I read that google doc correctly the picker is going to allow important photos from apps (gallery and camera are the ones we need) and from specific folders?
[13:45] <gusch> seb128: not sure what you mean, you'll be able to import the photos, that are available in gallery-app
[13:46] <seb128> gusch, what about pointing to a directory? like /usr/share/backgrounds
[13:46] <seb128> gusch, those are not user photos/in the gallery, but we are going to need to pick files from there for the background
[13:46] <seb128> gusch, e.g is the picker going to support an "import from <DIR>" ?
[13:46] <ogra_> xnox, no, we dont have userdata as img at all
[13:46] <ogra_> (i mean we dont use it)
[13:47] <ogra_> davmor2, wait for awe ... he was working on a fix for all this (or at least coordinating the work)
[13:47] <xnox> ogra_: i'll see if i can fake one, by repackaging unflipped .zip roughly following what our deploy script does. Emulator runs off .imges only.
[13:47] <gusch> seb128: no - no plan for that
[13:48] <plars> balloons: good morning
[13:48] <ogra_> xnox, well, the build surely produces an img ... you can use sim2img to make it mountable, install the tarball in it and re pack it with img2simg
[13:48] <gusch> seb128: interessting requirement ...
[13:48] <plars> balloons: ubuntu-clock-autopilot and ubuntu-clock-app-autopilot were both on our list of requested app tests to add. Are they really different from one another though?
[13:48] <ogra_> xnox, what android produces is otherwise just the directory structure inside the img
[13:49] <seb128> gusch, where would be the right place to open a wishlist?
[13:50] <Kaleo> seb128: gusch: add /usr/share/backgrounds to a default album in the gallery app?
[13:50] <Kaleo> and done?
[13:50] <ogra_> seb128, we ship ubuntu-bug now :)
[13:51] <seb128> Kaleo, that would work for me, we might not want to list backgrounds there though
[13:51] <wilee-nilee> mmmm bugs
[13:51] <Kaleo> seb128: sounds like a design question
[13:52] <davmor2> ogra_: will do ta
[13:52] <seb128> mpt, ^ opinion/can you check with other designers?
[13:52] <Kaleo> seb128: mpt: especially Rachel and Oren (who take care of the picker)
[13:59] <dejello> hello
[14:01] <cyphermox> rsalveti: sergiusens: hey, how's it going?
[14:01] <cyphermox> btw I still have https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/phablet-extras/brcm-rename/+merge/176270 waiting for review ;)
[14:02] <rsalveti> cyphermox: hey, welcome back
[14:03] <rsalveti> yeah, had some comments but forgot to update that, just a sec
[14:07] <rsalveti> cyphermox: just updated it
[14:07] <cyphermox> thanks!
[14:08] <rsalveti> cyphermox: just a better check for getprop, as this will be installed by default
[14:08] <cyphermox> aye
[14:09] <rsalveti> cyphermox: the mako one is missing 'stop on' as well
[14:09] <cyphermox> yeah, that's on purpose
[14:09] <rsalveti> great
[14:09] <cyphermox> there is not really a stop case for mako
[14:09] <rsalveti> yeah, just thought about that
[14:10] <rsalveti> cyphermox: why do we need to export a PATH in there?
[14:10] <cyphermox> probably not, I'll re-check
[14:10] <rsalveti> cyphermox: cool, and sleep 15 is really a long sleep, do we need a high value like that?
[14:10] <cyphermox> sleep: yeah, seems like it does, but if you give me a few minutes I'll triple-check
[14:11] <cyphermox> but brcm-patchram takes a little bit to get done
[14:11] <rsalveti> cyphermox: perfect
[14:13] <cyphermox> I'm reflashing my nexus 4 right now, I'll verify all of this
[14:14] <ogra_> cyphermox, davmor2 also had some weird behavior with wlan interacting with 3G (might be UI related though, he can surely explain better)
[14:14] <cyphermox> ok
[14:14] <cyphermox> let's look into it
[14:15] <cyphermox> davmor2: ?
 ogra_: hmmm that will be an interesting bug then,  on 05 disable wifi to allow 3g to be tested enable wifi refuses to connect correctly 3  then crashes the entire device instant reboot nice :)
[14:16] <ogra_> from the backlog
[14:17] <davmor2> cyphermox: so for me I wanted to test the 3g connection,  so I opened the NM-indicator deselected wifi.  Tested the 3g connection worked and then went to re-enable the wifi.  The wifi instantly flicked back to X in nm-indicator so I tried it 2 more time then the device crashed and rebooted
[14:17] <cyphermox> ok
[14:17] <cyphermox> what device was that?
[14:17] <davmor2> cyphermox: maguro
[14:18] <davmor2> cyphermox: that is on 05
[14:19] <cyphermox> ok
[14:21] <cyphermox> heh, the indicator is as broken as ever
[14:21] <riddlebox> hello, is there a blog or any site I can go to see the progress on ubuntu touch?
[14:21] <cyphermox> it restarts so often it's not impossible that NM got confused by the state changes if it changed states a lot
[14:22] <cyphermox> davmor2: ^
[14:23] <davmor2> cyphermox: this was disable, open the webbrowser, wait for the first page to load click on the indigogo link wait for that, close browser enable wifi,  so a minute or more maybe?
[14:24] <cyphermox> davmor2: yeah, but I meant something else actually
[14:24] <cyphermox> when you enable or disable, the indicator itself crashes and restarts
[14:24] <cyphermox> that's why you see the app flashing and stuff
[14:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: ah right
[14:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: yes that I see
[14:25] <cyphermox> I started looking into that, with help from desrt, but I didn't manage to fix that one issue yet
[14:25] <cyphermox> not sure whether it's worth spending too much time on it though since tedg is working on the indicator...
[14:25] <dejello> Anyone know where I can find a log for the Porting Clinic discussion?  Been on vacation and missed it.
[14:26] <ogra_> dejello, irclogs.ubuntu.com has all ubuntu related irc logs
[14:26] <ogra_> (including this channel)
[14:27] <dejello> Thank you
[14:28] <davmor2> cyphermox: the other thing as well is I believe there is a new indicator hopefully landing soon so I don't know how much effort you will want to put into it,  ogra_ that was the outcome from tedg right?
[14:28] <ogra_> yeah
[14:29] <cyphermox> davmor2: yeah that's what I was just saying :)
[14:29] <ogra_> not sure of that also is true for NM though
[14:29] <davmor2> cyphermox: ah sorry :)
[14:29] <cyphermox> yes
[14:29] <ogra_> ah, good
[14:29] <cyphermox> it's the network indicator, for driving wifi and 3G
[14:30] <davmor2> cyphermox: I thought it also included signal strength for telecoms too
[14:30] <cyphermox> yes
[14:30] <cyphermox> or you know well,
[14:30] <cyphermox> possibly, I don't know ;)
[14:30] <davmor2> haha
[14:31] <davmor2> cyphermox: I think you missed a maybe and a perhaps out of that sentence :)
[14:31] <cyphermox> indeed
[14:44] <balloons> plars, I'm confused by clock-app and ubuntu-clock.. probably a misprint. There's only one clock app
[14:45] <plars> balloons: but there are two test packages
[14:45] <plars> balloons: ubuntu-clock-autopilot and ubuntu-clock-app-autopilot
[14:49] <davmor2> balloons: there is the clock indicator too or is that in an other part?
[14:51] <stomrbinger> hi everyone
[14:51] <Chocanto> balloons: The libpoppler-qt5 as just been released in saucy, I think we will be able to work on pdf tests soon :)
[14:51] <balloons> Chocanto, :-)
[14:51] <ogra_> wohoo
[14:52]  * ogra_ finally wants to be able to read his ebooks on ubuntu touch
[14:52] <balloons> plars, so the ubuntu-clock-app is using ubuntu-clock-app-autopilot
[14:52] <plars> balloons: but are the tests doing something different?
[14:53] <Chocanto> ogra_: It would be awesome ! :)
[14:54] <ogra_> ++
[15:00] <balloons> plars, as far as I can tell ubuntu-clock-autopilot isn't doing anything and isn't needed
[15:01] <mpt> seb128, Kaleo: That's why I wrote "items for “Ubuntu Art” ... *and* an item for each album in the gallery"
[15:01] <mpt> seb128, Kaleo: So it's a variation of the image content picker specifically in that here it shows the Ubuntu Art collection whereas everywhere else it does not.
[15:03] <seb128> mpt, would "Ubuntu Art" be part of the gallery albums?
[15:03] <seb128> mpt, seems like the picker as designed atm doesn't support what you want, at least it doesn't have a "pick from album"...
[15:03] <mpt> seb128, no, that's why I wrote "*and*" there
[15:03] <seb128> hum
[15:04] <mpt> Should I change it to "plus"? :-)
[15:04] <seb128> mpt, I guess I should open a bug because there might be a disconnect between the design and what the picker is going to allow us to do
[15:04] <seb128> mpt, no, the design is fine, but it seems like the picker is not going to let pick from something which is not a gallery album
[15:05] <mpt> seb128, probably. I did raise this with Rachel earlier. I haven't seen the design for the content picker though.
[15:06] <seb128> mpt: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1j7LsTDHLlYODMxXkz6PI-wqgDMvDuwlz8NWzSyYF9Zg/edit#heading=h.nm4hvq9ryltd
[15:06] <mardy> kenvandine: hi! Please don't forget about https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/client/+merge/178038 (the diff is huge, but mostly because of the docs)
[15:08] <plars> balloons: ok, it will probably go away when we move to the click packages then
[15:09] <kenvandine> mardy, i won't :)
[15:09] <balloons> plars, lol.. well that's one way of looking at :-) I was trying to track down where it was coming from
[15:09] <ogra_> plars, you mean when we have to rewrite all tests from scratch anyway ? :)
[15:09] <mpt> seb128, I just checked with rachelliu. The design of the content picker is being changed at the moment, but she will raise this issue of extensibility with tvoss_ on Wednesday.
[15:10] <seb128> mpt, ok, thanks
[15:10] <seb128> gusch, Kaleo: ^ jfyi
[15:11] <sergiusens> balloons: ahve you seen what mzanetti wrote regarding qml unit tests?
[15:13] <balloons> sergiusens, I spoke with mzanetti a couple weeks ago and got an example qml unit test from him.. it was rather interesting to see how much you could do with qml unit tests.
[15:14] <sergiusens> balloons: so as long as no integration is required, I say just use that and skip the ap tests (just have one to see if it launches or something and others for whatever requires system integration)
[15:15] <balloons> sergiusens, many of these could have been written as qml, indeed
[15:16] <balloons> however the velocity was behind autopilot and thus we've rolled with that
[15:16] <balloons> not every test is perfect, but a running test that offers value is better than nothing.. I suppose it remains to be seen if maintenance costs on these will eat away at the value
[15:17] <doanac> anyone have a pointer that explains how to create a click package?
[15:18] <sergiusens> doanac: I have this that tries and creates a click manifest from an existing debian packaging http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/+junk/click_ready/view/head:/click-readiness.py
[15:18] <sergiusens> doanac: after that it's just click build
[15:19] <doanac> sergiusens: thanks
[15:26] <themikem> hi all.  Since you're talking about building and testing, is there a guide somewhere on setting up a build environment for all of Ubuntu Touch?  I.e. the automated bild scripts, tools, etc?  I've been looking for some documentation on the build system itself for some time...
[15:28] <timp> why does phablet-flash install 20130731.3, while phablet-flash --pending has a 20130805 image? Are all images since 31 July broken?
[15:30] <ogra_> timp, they didnt pass the auto tests
[15:42] <plars> ogra_: so, this thing you are doing with adb as phablet - how close is that, and how would we go about fixing the sudoers file so that we can get unrestricted access for testing? It will require quite a few changes on our end I think if you do this
[15:42] <plars> ogra_: or could we still just do 'adb root' and it will fix that up for us?
[15:43] <ogra_> plars, no, the idea is to use sudo indeed ... you cah just ship a file in /etc/sudoers.d  with the test framework though
[15:44] <ogra_> *can
[15:44] <plars> ogra_: you mean by extracting the tarball, changing it, and repacking everything?
[15:44] <ogra_> its not very close yet but we will have to have it locked down by release
[15:44] <dholbach> hey MaxWallstedt - how are you doing?
[15:44] <ogra_> i will occasionally work on this every time i have some spare time ... its not super high prio
[15:45] <dholbach> MaxWallstedt, I'm not quite sure what came out of the last time we tried the new phablet-flash branch together - did it flash your device correctly? (I only have a Nexus 7, so I could just test if the download part worked all right.)
[15:45] <ogra_> plars, no, you wont be able to do tests in non devekoper mode as i understand
[15:45] <plars> ogra_: ok, well please give us some warning when this is going to happen, as it will certainly require some things on the test automation side or everything will break
[15:45] <ogra_> plars, so it shuldnt be a prob to ship the sudoers.d snippet with a package
[15:46] <plars> ogra_: maybe my understanding of developer mode is not good, but I was thinking we *must* do tests without developer mode, otherwise we are changing too much
[15:46] <ogra_> plars, i'm not in a hurry and we can make it so that everything you need works fine for you
[15:46] <plars> and not really testing the image as the user would see it
[15:46] <plars> ok
[15:47] <ogra_> we can indeed also make /etc/sudoers.d a writable dir by default
[15:47] <ogra_> i think stgraber was also working on some finer grained mechanism for developers to make sure they get writability where needed
[15:48] <MaxWallstedt> dholbach, I'll try again - last time it didn't quite work, I got stuck in recovery. Could be because my ubuntu is in virtualbox
[15:53] <dholbach> sergiusens, ^ did you see MaxWallstedt's reply?
[15:54] <dholbach> could that be the case?
[15:55] <stgraber> ogra_: /etc/system-image/writable-paths in current images
[15:55] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, it is in already ?!?
[15:55] <ogra_> you rock !
[15:55] <ogra_> plars, ^^^
[15:55] <stgraber> ogra_: the catch however is that it's not an overlay, so if you mark a path as writable, it'll be migrated to writable at first boot and then won't ever be synced with what's in the base image
[15:56] <stgraber> ogra_: which is fine for most cases but will be a problem if you use it on some .d directories where the distro may also add/change files
[15:56] <plars> ok
[15:56] <davmor2> stgraber: less of a catch more of the the brick wall that will hit you at speed though is ;)
[15:57] <stgraber> davmor2: :)
[15:57] <janimo> ogra_, do you know why current points to the Aug 1 image? Is automatic testing not run daily or did the images since fail?
[15:58] <ogra_> janimo, automatic testing is run daily ... promotion is only done manually by me if we have 100% passed tests
[15:58] <ogra_> (which we didnt in a while and since today there are new tets sthat all need cleanup)
[15:58] <janimo> ogra_, so there are regressions then? Are the outputs of the tests public?
[15:59] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/
[15:59] <ogra_> there were some regressions before and now there are new tests
[15:59] <ogra_> that need to be shaken out first
[16:00] <ogra_> with luck we might have a release on wed. .... latest fri. i'd say
[16:20] <MaxWallstedt> dholbach, It did not work this time either - after it pushed the images to /sdcard/ and rebooted, it said something like "waiting for sd card to mount (20 s)" and counted down to 0. It then rebooted to android.
[16:24] <dholbach> sergiusens, ^ do you have an idea what this could be? (flash_change branch)
[16:27] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: what device was this and is the sdcard a real one?
[16:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, i9100
[16:29] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, It's i9100 and I use the internal sdcard. Is it possible that the sdcard mounts too slow in through virtualbox? Can the waiting time be increased?
[16:29] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: shouldn't be related to virtualbox, I may be missing a mount command on the extendedcommands, let me try something
[16:35] <dholbach> MaxWallstedt, sergiusens: you're heroes!
[16:36] <ogra_> note that userdata is only 2G on that device
[16:36] <ogra_> if there is an existing install thats not enough space to unpack and install the new zip
[16:36] <ogra_> i have to wipe /data/ubuntu here to make it work
[16:39] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1jqyas/submit_your_ubuntu_edge_campaign_perk_ideas_here/
[16:39] <mhall119> upvotes appreciated
[16:42] <Necrosporus> Can Ubuntu Edge run Slackware or some other distribution if I dislike Ubuntu?
[16:42] <Necrosporus> Or maybe Trisquel
[16:43] <mhall119> Necrosporus: if those distros support it
[16:43] <ogra_> Necrosporus, if you port it :)
[16:44] <ogra_> there is a standard ubuntu so it shouldnt be hard to do ... you just need to add Mir support to the distro
[16:44] <Necrosporus> ogra_, I have managed my windows mobile Pocket PC run CRUX-arm
[16:44] <Necrosporus> Mir?
[16:44] <Necrosporus> I'd prefer X.org
[16:44] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/
[16:45] <ogra_> xorg work work (thats the reason Mir was started at all)
[16:45] <lolcat> Hello
[16:45] <lolcat> Should I install Ubuntu phone?
[16:45] <lolcat> on my phone?
[16:45] <Necrosporus> lolcat, if you wish so
[16:45]  * xnox is not a happy camper with emulator
[16:46] <mhall119> lolcat: depends on your phone
[16:46] <ogra_> Necrosporus, indeed you can run an xorg server and use the phone with a traditional desktop install, but yu would lose ubuntu touch for using it as a phone
[16:46] <lolcat> Samsung Galaxy Note
[16:46] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: in recovery, if you browse, do you find the zip files in /sdcard/ ? if not, can you mount /sdcard from an adb shell while in recovery
[16:46] <ogra_> and without Mir driving the external port i'm not sure if you coould use that with xorg
[16:46] <ogra_> surely needs a lot of development work (but also surely isnt impossible)
[16:47] <lolcat> Can I apt get things on the ubuntu phone? is it like maemo?
[16:47] <sergiusens> xnox: everyone who has played with the emulator ended up feeling like that
[16:47] <ogra_> lolcat, yes
[16:47] <ogra_> !devices | lolcat
[16:47] <lolcat> Can I use ubuntu phone to fill all the storage with gardbadge?
[16:47] <lolcat> ogra_: Did I ask about devices?
[16:47] <ogra_> lolcat, see the list of community ports to find if your device is there
[16:47] <lolcat> I know my phone is supported
[16:47] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:47] <lolcat> I just dont know if I should use it
[16:48] <ogra_> well, probably ask someone of the porters how usable it is on your device
[16:48] <Necrosporus> ogra_, will touchscreen work? It's one thing I haven't managed to make working properly. Anyway, Ubuntu Edge is said to support some desktop mode. So can another distribution used in desktop mode, so it would be tri-boot with ubuntu for phone things and other distro for desktop, plus maybe android (why having android at all?)
[16:49] <ogra_> (i.e. wlan surely works on the majority of ports, calls and 3G probably not)
[16:49] <lolcat> ogra_: So I can only text?
[16:49] <ogra_> Necrosporus, the desktop mode will use Mir
[16:49] <ogra_> (even for input)
[16:49] <mhall119> Necrosporus: it will depend on the distro you want to put on there and how well they support the hardware and underlying services
[16:50] <mhall119> there won't be anything stopping it, let's put it that way
[16:50] <ogra_> Necrosporus, the desktop and distro you want to use would either need Mir support or you would have to write touchscreen and graphics drievr yourself (or find something thats easily adjustable to work)
[16:51] <ogra_> the point of Mir is to be able to make use of the existing android drivers without having to use android ... xorg cant do that
[16:51] <Necrosporus> So there's still only one more or less modern device running X.org, Nokia N9?
[16:52] <ogra_> there will be XMir on the edge
[16:52] <ogra_> which means all X apps will just run without probs
[16:52] <ogra_> but that wont help you much on something like slackware indeed
[16:53] <ogra_> Necrosporus, Xorg is dead ... all distros move towards new technologies
[16:53] <Necrosporus> Slackware does not seem to abandon it
[16:53] <ogra_> (at least tthe bigger ones ... and eventually their derivatives)
[16:53] <Necrosporus> Slackware is not a lesser one
[16:53] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt abandon it either
[16:54] <ogra_> but it wont be used by default
[16:54] <Necrosporus> I don't think Slackware is going to include Mir or wayland in near future
[16:54] <ogra_> up to them :)
[16:54] <ogra_> they will have to at some point
[16:55] <ogra_> since the desktops switch over and start depending on either wayland or Mir
[16:55] <Necrosporus> It has been adopted Network Manager only in the last release and it's not default
[16:55] <ogra_> as i said, up to them
[16:56] <ogra_> if they want supportable desktop stuff they will pull it in at some point
[16:56] <ogra_> depends how much they like to be behind
[16:57] <ogra_> that said ... beyond graphical stuff you will indeed be able to run every distro you want on the edge
[16:57] <janimo> dholbach, sergiusens I get a python traceback ending in KeyError: 'ubuntu_img'
[16:57] <janimo>  when trying to flash an image I put up for the u9200
[16:57] <ogra_> or build your arm gentoo system at a very high speed etc
[16:57] <sergiusens> janimo: let me check your branch
[16:57] <janimo> dholbach, sergiusens I did not enter an ubuntu image url since it is optional according to the wiki
[16:58] <sergiusens> janimo: should be optional
[17:11] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, I can't find the zip files on the sdcard when browsing with recovery. I'm not sure how to mount the sdcard, I don't know which device it is, and whether it is mounted or not
[17:11] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: check fstab (is it not /sdcard?) ogra_ ^^?
[17:13] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: can you see the files if you browse in an adb shell?
[17:13] <ogra_> it is /sdcard in recovery i think
[17:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: is it mounted on boot?
[17:14] <ogra_> let me reboot to recovery
[17:14]  * ogra_ would love to know why adbd takes ages to come up
[17:14] <ogra_> even in recovery
[17:15] <ogra_> ~ # mount|grep sdcard
[17:15] <ogra_> ~ #
[17:15] <ogra_> nope
[17:15] <ogra_> ah
[17:16] <ogra_> /dev/block/mmcblk1p1 on /sdcard type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[17:16] <ogra_> ~ #
[17:16] <ogra_> it automatically mounts the extaernal one for me
[17:16] <ogra_> urgh
[17:16] <janimo> sergiusens, did you see anything weird in the u9200 branch?
[17:16] <ogra_> and my desktop is plastered with mtp messaages
[17:17] <sergiusens> janimo: nope, fixing your issue, oe sec
[17:17] <ogra_> i guess thats why adbd takes soo long
[17:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: external being /sdcard-ext ?
[17:17] <sergiusens> iirc
[17:18] <ogra_> external is definitely mmcblk1
[17:18] <ogra_> the above is after "mount /sdcard"
[17:24] <sergiusens> janimo: can you get revno 157.
[17:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: so you need to manually mount?
[17:25] <sergiusens> I just want to know if you need to manually mount or if it takes too long to mount
[17:25] <om26er> sergiusens, hey! you were exporting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS for the user to run autopilot as root, IIRC. where to find it for the phablet user?
[17:26] <sergiusens> om26er: if you do a proper login it should be there
[17:26] <sergiusens> om26er: check phablet-test-run if you need to import
[17:26] <TheMonster> Hello, I wanted to know if it is possible to do anything that can be done on a PC ubuntu on the ubuntu-touch... For example, install ruby on rails or others?
[17:27] <janimo> sergiusens, downloading now. I'll let you know if I hit any other issue
[17:27] <sergiusens> janimo: do you have an external sdcard in there too? I might need to add logic for external sdcard deploy if the internal one isn't automatically mounted
[17:27] <om26er> sergiusens, phablet-test-run does not have anything, it runs the suite with ssh. I want to run it with adb so that in a single script I could execute the autopilot suite on the phone as well as use powerd-cli (as root)
[17:28] <janimo> sergiusens, there is a uSD slot which I have not used before
[17:28] <sergiusens> om26er: oh, I have that pending item, adb was giving me issues with autopilot still
[17:28] <janimo> sergiusens, and I think I had to manually mount /sdcard in recovery before pushing to it
[17:28] <ogra_> sergiusens, yes
[17:29] <ogra_> TheMonster, yes
[17:29] <TheMonster> Thanks ogra_
[17:31] <om26er> sergiusens, with adb the single problem I found was that if the suite was killed with ctrl+c it will keep running on the phone, which ogra_ thinks is an issue with adb itself.
[17:32] <janimo> sergiusens, indeed not booting, recovery did not find autodeploy.zip as sdcard was likely not mounted
[17:33] <janimo> /dev/null /sdcard datamedia rw
[17:33] <janimo>  is in fstab
[17:33] <sergiusens> om26er: anyways, can't you sudo powerdcli stop or something?
[17:33] <om26er> sergiusens, sudo would require password
[17:34] <om26er> hmm
[17:34] <sergiusens> janimo: hmmm, I can either do automagic or you can tell me in the description file where the external mount is
[17:35] <janimo> sergiusens, you mean there's a field for that in the json manifest?
[17:35] <sergiusens> om26er: I think plars and doanac already override sudoers
[17:35] <sergiusens> janimo: I mean, we can add one :-)
[17:35] <plars> sergiusens, om26er: not currently
[17:35] <sergiusens> plars: is it planned?
[17:35] <plars> sergiusens, om26er: everything runs over adb, which has root right now
[17:35] <sergiusens> plars: or something for the image?
[17:35] <plars> sergiusens: we'll have to if/when ogra_ does his changes to have adb as a regular user
[17:36] <plars> sergiusens: we were just talking about that earlier
[17:36] <sergiusens> plars: I'm hoping adb root would work in developer mode
[17:37] <om26er> plars, the script I have is supposed to run on the phone directly, if ran as root, autopilot tests don't run due to a dbus error, so I am trying to workaround that
[17:37] <sergiusens> om26er: also, don't worry about the current phablet-test run, most likely integrating the upstart job plars and doanac have to be the default
[17:37] <plars> om26er: have you looked at how utah already does that?
[17:37] <om26er> plars, not, yet. will look.
[17:37] <sergiusens> om26er: you can also do it as a command switch in phablet-test-run
[17:38] <sergiusens> om26er: just like we have the disable unity8 stuff
[17:38] <plars> om26er: talk to doanac also, he and I were speculating on whether autopilot should just do the right thing there rather than us having to hack around it
[17:39] <plars> om26er: utah already handles the dbus session bus address stuff though
[17:39] <plars> om26er: what are you trying to do exactly?
[17:39] <sergiusens> plars: +1
[17:39] <aimwin> Any one can help answer the real differences between Ubuntu touch vs Ubuntu Unity Desktop, apart from touch function?
[17:40] <om26er> plars, I want to unlock the screen systematically, but first turn on the screen with powerd-cli
[17:40] <sergiusens> janimo: can you pastebin your fstab for recovery?
[17:40] <om26er> plars, yeah the dbus session stuff in utah would help, I guess
[17:40] <janimo> sergiusens, sure but it may not be the mouting after all
[17:41] <janimo> sergiusens, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952068/
[17:41] <doanac> om26er, plars: NOTE - utah doesn't do anything with dbus anymore. we get that information by virtue of "bash -ic"
[17:41] <doanac> it sucks in the right stuff via its .profile or bashrc or somewhere like that
[17:42] <janimo> sergiusens, right, I can actually push autodeploy manually and it is seen after reboot without having to mount
[17:42] <janimo> so not sure why it was not found when driven by the script
[17:42] <janimo> sergiusens, can the script flash only without downloading anew?
[17:43] <sergiusens> janimo: not yet for community builds, but I can get that in... it won't download new files if the hashes match
[17:43] <sergiusens> janimo: checksum hashes that is
[17:44] <janimo> sergiusens, so md5sum files need to be provided along with the file?
[17:44] <sergiusens> janimo: nope, that's the hash and hash_func entry in your manifest
[17:56] <om26er> doanac, plars sergiusens I have found this worked from the device as root: sudo -u phablet -i sh -lc "$COMMAND"
[17:59] <mhall119> oh developer mode, why must you take to long?
[17:59] <sergiusens> janimo: MaxWallstedt can you try again with revno 158?
[18:00] <sergiusens> mhall119: have you figured out if you want the plugins in the packages themselves or added to the archive?
[18:01] <sergiusens> nemo and keyboard
[18:01] <mhall119> nemo and kterminal you mean?
[18:02] <janimo> sergiusens, nice, it does not redownload, is that due to curl?
[18:02] <sergiusens> janimo: no, I doa checkum calculation before trying to download
[18:02] <mhall119> sergiusens: I think in the app's package for now, I haven't been able to get any communication going with upstream for either of those plugins, which is going to make getting them accepted into the archives that much harder
[18:03] <janimo> sergiusens, ok installing device.zip now
[18:03] <mhall119> sergiusens: bzoltan: I assume it'll be easy enough to include QML plugins with qmlscene launched apps in the same Click package?
[18:08] <sergiusens> janimo: nice, if that worked I'm golden for most cases
[18:08] <sergiusens> mhall119: yes, the problem is, for click, there is no compilation rule
[18:09] <sergiusens> mhall119: only terminal and filemanager have dependencies outside of what is already installed, right?
[18:10] <janimo> sergiusens, something went wrong again though - I have seen this before. Not the entire ubuntu image installed so it does not boot
[18:10] <janimo> where to look for decompression/install errors?
[18:10] <sergiusens> janimo: can you get me the /cache/recovery/last_log ?
[18:10] <janimo> sergiusens, for instance /var/log and /var/run are the only dirs under /var
[18:10] <sergiusens> janimo: that's where btw
[18:11] <janimo> no /cache dir and as a result not mounted
[18:11] <janimo> very strange
[18:12] <sergiusens> janimo: if you are not in recovery, it's sort of hidden in flipped
[18:12] <janimo> sergiusens, I am in ubuntu adb shell not in recovery
[18:13] <janimo> where is it hidden?
[18:13] <sergiusens> janimo: android-chroot
[18:14] <janimo> chroot: cannot change root directory to /proc/-1/root/: No such file or directory
[18:14] <janimo> I think my install is really hosed
[18:15] <janimo> I'll reinstall, again using the script now
[18:16] <sergiusens> janimo: before that
[18:16] <sergiusens> janimo: reboot into recovery and fetch /cache/recovery/last_log
[18:16] <janimo> sergiusens, I think it worked for me befrore the mount sdcard thing but since I saw recovery boot and say no autodeploy.zip found and no output on the screen of my laptop for 10 seconds I concluded it is not working
[18:17] <janimo> the Pushing... message appears after some delay only
[18:17] <sergiusens> janimo: oh, yeah, the no autodeploy.zip found doesn't mean anything
[18:17] <janimo> sergiusens, I thought it had already been pushed but not found due to wrong/no mounts
[18:17] <janimo> so the delay in the Pushing message is confusing
[18:18] <sergiusens> janimo: hoy big is /data?
[18:18] <janimo> especially since there's a wait complere
[18:18] <janimo> sergiusens, 2.5G
[18:19] <janimo> sergiusens, cache/recovery/last_log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952205/
[18:19] <sergiusens> janimo: this is what broke I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found...
[18:20] <sergiusens> janimo: can you run phablet-flash like ./phablet-flash --debug community --device u9200
[18:20] <janimo> sergiusens, running that now
[18:21] <sergiusens> janimo: then pastebin the output ... I think that paste is already from a subsequent boot (if it didn't break)
[18:21] <sergiusens> last_log gets overwritten after exiting recovery so it's not that reliable
[18:25] <janimo> sergiusens, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952223/ the output of phablet-flash
[18:26] <janimo> not sure if it helps since the flashing is going on after the tool has exited
[18:26] <sergiusens> janimo: that's ok, it's async ... after the reboot, phablet-flash relies on this /tmp/tmpa1L3zB
[18:27] <sergiusens> janimo: which ends up in /cache/recovery/extendedcommands
[18:47] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, It did not work with the new revision either, same thing again
[18:48] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: can I get /cache/recovery/last_log and your fstab for recovery?
[18:51] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, last_log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952294/
[18:51] <janimo> sergiusens, I get the same: I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found...
[18:52] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: and that has your fstab ;-)
[18:52] <sergiusens> janimo: so if I mount I break you?
[18:53] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: hmmm mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk1p1 on /sdcard failed: No such file or directory
[19:01] <janimo> sergiusens, I don;t think the mount affects this device either way
[19:03] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, I found that in recovery, the internal sdcard is at /emmc/ and needs to me mounted
[19:03] <MaxWallstedt> to *be mounted
[19:03] <AskUbuntu> Galaxy Nexus 4 Ubuntu Touch CDMA Questions | http://askubuntu.com/q/329029
[19:04] <sergiusens> janimo: did you get a /cache/recovery/last_log after the try?
[19:05] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: ok, just to avoid issues, can you add one entry to the manifest file?
[19:05] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: or lets do ths manually first
[19:07] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: first adb push the two files two /emmc/
[19:07] <sergiusens> files to (not two)
[19:08] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, that will take approx. 20 minutes
[19:08] <MaxWallstedt> or 15 perhaps
[19:08] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: pushing takes that much? where do you regularly push?
[19:09] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: because after that I was hoping you could push http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5952348/ to /cache/recovery/extendedcommands and then adb reboot recovery
[19:09] <[SLB]> is ubuntu for android available already?
[19:10] <MaxWallstedt> I usually push to /sdcard/. It's the ubuntu zip that takes about 14 minutes to be pushed
[19:10] <[SLB]> i've seen it on nexus 4 devices but not sure whether it's just from the staff for now.
[19:11] <sergiusens> [SLB]: why don't ask here? http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jqfce/we_are_the_engineering_team_behind_ubuntu_for/
[19:11] <[SLB]> because I didn't know there was such link, thanks
[19:15] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, I need to mount /emmc/, how should I do this?
[19:16] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: you can do it from the recovery ui or from the shell mount /emmc
[19:26] <janimo> sergiusens, yes, it's in that one that  I again saw  I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found...
[19:28] <sergiusens> janimo: oh, so tell me, what recovery image do you have?
[19:29] <janimo> sergiusens, built from UTouch daily
[19:29] <janimo> sergiusens, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952416/
[19:30] <sergiusens> janimo: do you have the repo hosted anywhere?
[19:30] <janimo> sergiusens, the repo itself not but device and kernel is what I changed
[19:31] <janimo> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

[19:31] <janimo>   <project name="janimo/android_kernel_huawei_u9200" path="kernel/huawei/u9200" remote="github" revision="master" />
[19:31] <janimo>   <project name="janimo/android_device_huawei_u9200" path="device/huawei/u9200" remote="github" revision="master" />

[19:31] <sergiusens> janimo: yeah, the device repo is what interests me
[19:33] <sergiusens> janimo: do you still have /tmp/tmpa1L3zB on disk ?
[19:33] <janimo> sergiusens, yes  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952422/
[19:38] <sergiusens> janimo: can you push that file to /cache/recovery/extendedcommands and reboot into recovery?
[19:40] <janimo> sergiusens, pushed rebooted nothing happens
[19:40] <janimo> E: Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command on the screen
[19:40] <sergiusens> janimo: when you push the file, are you in recovery?
[19:41] <janimo> is it extendendcommand or extendedcommands? The error message is the former
[19:41] <janimo> sergiusens, yes, I push while in recovery
[19:41] <janimo> sergiusens, I feel like a fastboot -w will solve this
[19:41] <sergiusens> janimo: hmm, try extendedcommands ...
[19:41] <janimo> or formatting cache/ at least
[19:42] <janimo> sergiusens, yes that is what  I pushed
[19:42] <janimo> it's just that the errmsg is not plural
[19:43] <sergiusens> janimo: oh, sorry, yeah, try the former (not plural)
[19:43] <MaxWallstedt> janimo, for me its without the "s"
[19:44] <sergiusens> janimo: that's what phablet-flash and recovery expects
[19:44] <sergiusens> janimo: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery.git;a=blob;f=recovery.c;h=8cfaa73a116f41584f639651e10d3bc8eebb33ab;hb=HEAD#l949
[19:45] <janimo> sergiusens, ok with that pushed it starts installing
[19:46] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, It now worked for me with that extendedcommand file! Some strange output, but it continues anyways: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952455/
[19:46] <janimo> sergiusens, but the install had started and finished before as well
[19:46] <sergiusens> janimo: so I don't get why it wouldn't with phablet-flash :-P
[19:46] <janimo> just did not unpack Ubuntu fully
[19:46] <janimo> sergiusens, it happens with that as well, no idea why the error message
[19:46] <janimo> so these install command definitely run
[19:46] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: that looks a lot better
[19:46] <janimo> but the resulting ubuntu image is incomplete
[19:47] <janimo> and I did not catch any error messages before recovery finishing and rebooting
[19:47] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: so in the manifest.json can you add a 'storage': '/emmc' entry ?
[19:47] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: repace storage with what you see fit
[19:47] <sergiusens> janimo: oh, so if you enter into recovery multiple times /cache/recovery/last_log is lost...
[19:48] <janimo> sergiusens, well I entered so I recovery cache/recovery since you said it's kind of hidden in ubuntu flipped
[19:51] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, Done, it's pushed to https://code.launchpad.net/~i9100-image-dev/phablet-image-info/i9100
[19:52] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: ok, let me get something going here
[20:03] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: when it's done, can you give me /cache/recovery/last_log please?
[20:04] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, of course!
[20:33] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, there seems to be a problem with free space on data: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952618/
[20:35] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: ok, from what ogra said, I guess you will need to perform a --wipe for this device
[20:35] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, indeed, so it seems
[20:36] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, can that be done from the command line?
[20:37] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: from phablet-flash, yes
[20:40] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: one sec and I'll give you something that works with your new branch
[20:46] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: with revno 163 do ./phablet-flash --debug community --device i9100 --wipe
[20:47] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: that will get the new storage option and also clear /data and /cache before deploying
[20:55] <bledi> does anybody can i instal ubuntu on my galaxy s i9000 or in my note 10.1 N8000
[20:55] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, Could the script check the storage on beforehand if the latest zip files are already on the device, and if so skip pushing them and use the ones already on the device?
[20:57] <sergiusens> bledi: there's a n8000 port
[20:58] <bledi> Can you link
[20:59] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: a bit tricky since I'll need to calculate the checksum on the device ... I was also looking into having the script delete the files after deploy
[21:01]  * sergiusens is irritated when he fetches links for people and they can't wait
[21:10] <ogra_> sergiusens, thats how IRC works, no ? you ask a question, repeat it 5 times within 1min and then sign off :P
[21:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: I guess...
[21:13] <gordonjcp> ogra_: :-p
[21:15] <dixeflatline> that sounds about right
[21:20] <c3d1> hey guys
[21:20] <c3d1> i'm trying to install ubuntu touch
[21:20] <c3d1> but now i can't boot into fastboot anymore
[21:20] <c3d1> Ubuntu Touch Installation failed
[21:20] <c3d1> and now i'm not able to boot into fastboot to install stock Android
[21:20] <c3d1> could anyone help me?
[21:21] <dixeflatline> no recovery mode?
[21:21] <c3d1> recovery mode works
[21:21] <dixeflatline> or download mode?
[21:21] <dixeflatline> then you can get fastboot
[21:21] <c3d1> but i dont't know how to use recovery right
[21:21] <c3d1> how to start fastboot out of the recovery mode?
[21:22] <dixeflatline> reflash your recover image with fastboot
[21:22] <dixeflatline> fastboot flash recovery file.img
[21:22] <dixeflatline> if on a linux machine use sudo
[21:23] <c3d1> adb reboot fastboot doesen't work
[21:23] <c3d1> my Nexus dont go on
[21:23] <c3d1> i only see the Google Screen
[21:23] <c3d1> and the symbol that the device is unlocked
[21:24] <dixeflatline> power off then hold vol down and power
[21:24] <c3d1> ok
[21:24] <c3d1> it works
[21:24] <dixeflatline> :)
[21:24] <c3d1> and now?
[21:25] <dixeflatline> goto recovery
[21:25] <c3d1> check
[21:25] <c3d1> i see the Ubuntu Logo in the back of the Recovery Mode
[21:25] <dixeflatline> adb push file.zip /sdcard/file.zip
[21:26] <c3d1> and now?
[21:26] <c3d1> what's to do now?
[21:26] <dixeflatline> get your files on that way and manually flash
[21:26] <MaxWallstedt> sergiusens, phablet-flash worked fine now! Here's last_log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5952762/
[21:26] <c3d1> i have the nadkasig-jdq39-factiry0798439d.tgz
[21:27] <c3d1> what
[21:27] <c3d1> what
[21:27] <c3d1> what's to do with this?
[21:27] <c3d1> sorry, when i tried to press ' i hit the return key
[21:29] <dixeflatline> you cant flash the .tgz manually
[21:29] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Restoring_Android
[21:29] <c3d1> what should i do now?
[21:30] <ogra_> just follow these steps
[21:30] <dixeflatline> thank you ogra
[21:30] <dixeflatline> haha
[21:30] <ogra_> :)
[21:31] <c3d1> my terminal says < waiting for device > and nothing else happens
[21:31] <c3d1> and i can't enter the fastboot modus
[21:31] <ogra_> did you read the instructions ?
[21:31] <dixeflatline> no fastboot in terminal
[21:31] <dixeflatline> adb
[21:31] <dixeflatline> adb kill-server
[21:31] <dixeflatline> adb start-server
[21:31] <dixeflatline> adb devices
[21:32] <c3d1> 015d483bf22bf80b        recovery
[21:32] <c3d1> and now
[21:33] <c3d1> ?
[21:33] <dixeflatline> so now you can use adb to push files
[21:33] <ogra_> follow the instructions  :)
[21:33] <dixeflatline> read that link that Ogra sent you
[21:33] <dixeflatline> any problems after that we are here to help you out
[21:34] <ogra_> (hint: you are at point 4 now ... )
[21:35] <dixeflatline> wait the install failed?  did you update your phablet-flash?
[21:36] <c3d1> it's installing right now
[21:36] <ogra_> ;)
[21:36] <sergiusens> MaxWallstedt: great news!
[21:37] <c3d1> guys
[21:37] <c3d1> you are so fucking awsome :)
[21:37] <c3d1> thank you so much!
[21:38] <c3d1> my nexus boot *_*
[21:38] <c3d1> it's so amazing xD
[21:38] <c3d1> thanks guys!
[21:38] <dixeflatline> thanks goes to Ogra_
[21:38] <dixeflatline> enjoy
[21:38] <ogra_> sad you didnt manage to get ubuntu touch to work
[21:39] <c3d1> i'm happy to get my android back
[21:39] <c3d1> but i will try it maybe tomorro
[21:39] <c3d1> in germany its 11:39 P.M
[21:39] <c3d1> ;)
[21:39] <ogra_> i know :)
[21:39]  * ogra_ is in kassel
[21:39] <c3d1> nice
[21:40] <c3d1> Schwarzwald ;)
[21:40] <dixeflatline> good luck on getting that touch up
[21:40] <c3d1> thank you very much
[21:40] <dixeflatline> it sure is a nice OS and fun to dev on
[21:40] <c3d1> oh jea
[21:41] <dixeflatline> damn its sexy
[21:41] <dixeflatline> lol
[21:41] <c3d1> i want to build apps in C++/Qt
[21:41] <dixeflatline> nice
[21:41] <dixeflatline> cant wait to test them
[21:41] <c3d1> at work i have to use C++/MFC or C# with wundows
[21:41] <c3d1> it's nice
[21:41] <c3d1> but it's boring
[21:42] <dixeflatline> hahaha
[21:42] <c3d1> i want cross-plattform applications using QT5 and C++
[21:42] <c3d1> C++ is my favourite language and i love it
[21:42] <dixeflatline> :)
[21:42] <c3d1> MFC is nice, really
[21:42] <c3d1> but it's not Cross-Plattform
[21:43] <c3d1> it only works on windows
[21:43] <dixeflatline> yeah
[21:43] <c3d1> and i want to share my apps with Mac, Linux, Windows
[21:43] <dixeflatline> java / python
[21:43] <c3d1> i only wan't to do my work once and not 3 Times, one for Mac, one for Linux and one for WIndows
[21:44] <c3d1> Python is really nice and works good with QT
[21:44] <c3d1> but i Dislike the Java-Swing themes (like nimbus, etc.)
[21:44] <c3d1> i use QT
[21:44] <c3d1> ;)
[21:44] <dixeflatline> yeah
[21:44] <c3d1> i prefer it much more than Java/Swing/AWT
[21:45] <c3d1> but ok
[21:45] <c3d1> i'm tired now
[21:45] <c3d1> bb
[21:45] <c3d1> gn9
[21:45] <dixeflatline> alright bud.  see ya tomorroe
[21:45] <c3d1> gn8
[21:45] <ogra_> bye
[21:45] <c3d1> yes, maybe :)
[21:45] <c3d1> bye
[22:29] <Timmy> what will happen if campaign don't receive enough funds?
[22:30] <Tassadar_> as in "where will the money go" or "what happens to Ubuntu Edge"?
[22:31] <Timmy> yeah
[22:32] <Tassadar_> money will be fully refunded, it will go back to all the people who contributed
[22:33] <Tassadar_> and edge probably stays beign just a design prototype
[22:34] <Timmy> and what will happen to ubuntu touch?
[22:34] <Tassadar_> the development will continue, ubuntu touch does not depend on the edge at all
[22:35] <Timmy> if it's not, then how can we run ubuntu touch? and what device?
[22:36] <Tassadar_> they said there will be some oem devices, mainly from operators and such
[23:41] <RobbyF> when is UFA apk available?


[09:51] <mbiebl> Keybuk: hi
[09:52] <mbiebl> noticed two issues with the latest push for native upstart jobs in karmic:
[09:54] <mbiebl> 1) initscripts 2.87dsf-4ubuntu3 reintroduced the legacy sysv initscripts, but the version check in postinst is le-nl "2.87dsf-4ubuntu2"
[09:55] <mbiebl> so they were not removed again when upgrading to 2.87dsf-4ubuntu4 and marked as obsolete now
[09:58] <mbiebl> 2) cryptsetup seems to install both sysv initscripts and an upstart job file


[00:08] <fwereade> thumper, https://vimeo.com/95066828
[00:09] <thumper> fwereade: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3370/
[00:17] <perrito666> everything is happy
[00:30] <mup> Bug #1525030 opened: 'ERROR while removing instance' when destroying lxd environment <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525030>
[00:33] <mup> Bug #1525030 changed: 'ERROR while removing instance' when destroying lxd environment <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525030>
[00:37] <mup> Bug #1525030 opened: 'ERROR while removing instance' when destroying lxd environment <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525030>
[00:38] <wallyworld> cherylj: pretty please :-) http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3372/
[10:36] <voidspace> frobware: seems to have worked and after adding the interface to maas I have a new subnet in a new fabric
[10:36] <frobware> voidspace, great
[10:36] <voidspace> I can now add a new space and can test my code
[10:36] <voidspace> once it's written... ;-)
[10:44] <rick_h_> voidspace: that sounds like 'woot!'
[12:02] <voidspace> rick_h_: sorry, missed that. Yeah, a minor woot!
[13:53] <frobware> dimitern, voidspace, dooferlad: playing around with macvlan I *think* I have a configuration where all the guests can see each other, and each guest can access external hosts, plus virt host. and host can see all the guests. Isn't that what we were previously looking for?
[14:23] <voidspace> frobware: that sounds right
[15:03] <frobware> voidspace, admittedly I have only been verifying with libvirt/kvm
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1525280 opened: 1.25.1 with maas 1.8: devices dns allocation uses non-unique hostname <kanban-cross-team> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525280>
[15:12] <voidspace> frobware: worth seeing if you can get it to work with lxc too, because if we can't...
[15:13] <voidspace> shouldn't be different though
[15:13] <voidspace> except in all the details
[15:13] <frobware> voidspace, right. and that's why I mentioned it.
[15:18] <mup> Bug #1525280 changed: 1.25.1 with maas 1.8: devices dns allocation uses non-unique hostname <kanban-cross-team> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525280>
[15:21] <mup> Bug #1525280 opened: 1.25.1 with maas 1.8: devices dns allocation uses non-unique hostname <kanban-cross-team> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525280>
[18:08] <arosales> for the controller in juju-core 2.0 what will be the required version of MongoDB
[18:34] <perrito666> wallyworld: did you get my email?
[18:34] <wallyworld> perrito666: am behind on emails, need to scan inbox
[18:35] <perrito666> k, sent it during breakfast if you have questions just answer it, it is about the estimates
[19:09] <perrito666> https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/gcloud-java/issues/302 <- such is my luck
[19:11] <rick_h_> arosales: 2.0 should be shipping with 3.2 mongodb
[19:19] <dimitern> frobware, hey, are you still around by any chance?
[19:20] <dimitern> frobware, I was just wondering if you have any feedback about the multi-bridge script and comments on the test I've sent you details from
[19:21] <dimitern> frobware, no rush, I'll check when I'm back home
[19:32] <arosales> rick_h_: ok thanks
[21:48] <mup> Bug #1524385 changed: local precise cannot be upgraded <ci> <local-provider> <precise> <regression> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524385>
[23:50] <mgz> ericsnow: hit nate over the head with this diff <http://paste.ubuntu.com/13947202/>


[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4322 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[08:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4321 Generating diffs
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[02:05] <Balsaq> _Techie_ i am now a "developer"
[03:51] <oorah> hey yall
[04:19] <oorah> anyone here?
[10:52] <Tesssa> upgraded from 9.4 t0 9.10 now no sound
[10:53] <Tesssa> why
[11:24] <AnAnt> Hello, does anyone know who made the throbber for xubuntu's xsplash theme ?
[11:26] <knome> AnAnt, MadsRH did
[11:27] <AnAnt> Mads Rosendahl
[11:27] <AnAnt> thanks !
[11:27] <knome> yup, that's him.
[15:07] <oorah> hey yall
[15:08] <Balsaq> welcome to the land of zoo bun two
[15:08] <oorah> I'm using the Lucid alpha right now
[15:08] <oorah> its zoo boon too lol
[15:08] <Balsaq> oh yes..forgot
[15:09] <oorah> but its ok to say things different i guess
[15:09] <oorah> i call gnome gnome, not guh-nome
[15:09] <Balsaq> sounds much better...like it came from deep in the rainforest
[15:09] <oorah> it does
[15:10] <TheSheep> rainforests are for the weak
[15:12] <Balsaq> oorah how do you like alpha
[15:14] <oorah> Balsaq, its pretty stable, no major problems
[15:14] <oorah> Balsaq, i like it better than karmic, it was a nightmare on my netbook lol
[15:14] <Balsaq> i didn't realize it was available yet
[15:15] <oorah> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks just scroll down to msi u100 its nuts
[15:16] <Balsaq> cool, i put in favorites, i'll burn one later
[15:16] <Sysi> for me they said that current alpha is almost same as karmic
[15:16] <TheSheep> the kernel is new
[15:16] <Balsaq> i burn em and put them in cd sleeves that i make
[15:16] <Balsaq> and give em away free
[15:19] <oorah> same theme and wallpaper yes
[15:20] <oorah> there's somethin weird i notice when i'm logged into pidgin or thunderbird that when i get a new email or instant message or friend comes online or offline
[15:21] <oorah> but nothing problematic
[15:22] <oorah> Balsaq, your nickname might offend some people
[15:23] <Balsaq> it is possible but i  tell them the q is silent
[15:23] <oorah> Balsaq, oh i see funny haha
[15:23] <Balsaq> some have a vivid imagination
[15:23] <oorah> Balsaq, are there a lot of people that want the cd's?
[15:24] <Balsaq> well in my area most don't even know what it is, i do it to help the cause  since my tech skill are still.....underway
[15:24] <oorah> me too haha
[15:24] <Balsaq> it is all i can do at this point to help out
[15:25] <oorah> i've been using Linux for years, but all i know is what i need to know. if i need to learn more i will but my knowledge so far suits everything i need it for
[15:25] <oorah> i don't know the full list of commands and directories and all that
[15:25] <Balsaq> so far 3 peole at work have told me their windows computers were running extremely slow, 2 were really messed up with virus, so i wiped em clean and installed buntu, they love it
[15:25] <Balsaq> they had windows
[15:26] <oorah> one of my favorite things about Linux and BSD distros is the updates. every app and the system at the same time instead of one app at a time
[15:27] <oorah> remember with windows when ya had to update stuff one app at a time? it took an evening lol
[15:32] <Balsaque> someone whacked me?
[15:32] <Balsaque> yet my name is still up there?
[15:33] <Balsaque> anyone know what just happened?
[15:45] <phxheat> I wanted to put xubuntu on a old 533mhz machine that has CD disks not DVD. CD are 650MB but the .iso is 664MB so its too big to burn on a disc. Any ideas
[15:49] <TheSheep> phxheat: a cd has 700MB
[15:49] <TheSheep> phxheat: just allow overburning in your cd burning program
[15:53] <phxheat> TheSheep your right 700MB, but when I read the size its less than that maybe 630, i feel cheated. Ill try other discs i think one will show up as 700. Ill try the overburn. thank you
[21:40] <Stylee> hello, I installed xubuntu on an old celeron 600 Mhz box... and when I rebooted it says
[21:41] <Stylee> the initrd is too big
[21:41] <Stylee> when I try to load the kernel I mean
[21:41] <Sysi> how much RAM?
[21:42] <Stylee> 400 and something Mb
[21:42] <Stylee> is too little?
[21:43] <Sysi> i don't think it shouldn't
[21:43] <Sysi> *should be too little
[21:44] <Stylee> well those are 3 different modules, can this make problems?
[21:45] <Sysi> i'm not good with hardware but that machine sound's old for xubuntu
[21:46] <Sysi> crunchbang or lubuntu might be better
[21:46] <Stylee> well previously was win xp on it, isn't it greedier than xubuntu?
[21:58] <Stylee> well it runs from light CD well, so it should run even better from hdd I guess
[21:58] <Stylee> besides, here they say it should http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=459872
[23:12] <Stylee> so can anybody help me?
[23:15] <knome> Stylee, ?
[23:17] <Stylee> when I try to boot the kernel it says initrd is too big
[23:17] <Stylee> how to fix it?
[23:18] <Stylee> from live CD it works ok
[23:18] <knome> which xubuntu version? is it normal hardware?
[23:18] <Stylee> 9.10
[23:18] <Stylee> normal as in?
[23:18] <knome> well, not anything weird
[23:18] <Stylee> no all normal
[23:19] <knome> okay. i suppose you are trying to use the regular/default kernel?
[23:19] <Stylee> it was a box used in administration office
[23:19] <Stylee> yes
[23:19] <Stylee> I use the kernel bundled in the live CD
[23:19] <Stylee> should I change it?
[23:19] <knome> no, i don't think so
[23:19] <Stylee> configure it myself?
[23:20] <Stylee> hmm
[23:21] <Stylee> I would try with 9.4 but the installation take as much as gentoo installation on my regular box :)
[23:21] <Stylee> so long :)
[23:22] <Stylee> if possible I would like to fix this installation
[23:22] <knome> Stylee, what does 'ls /boot/initrd* -l -h' say?
[23:22] <knome> Stylee, (in terminal)
[23:23] <Stylee> wait I should boot from live CD
[23:23] <knome> uhm
[23:24] <knome> can you log in with *any* kernel?
[23:24] <knome> withtout the cd
[23:24] <Stylee> well there is just the kernel from live CD, I did a fresh install
[23:25] <Stylee> before was win XP on that box
[23:25] <knome> so you did a fresh install but initrd is too big?
[23:25] <Stylee> so it says
[23:25] <Stylee> I even tried a reinstall, with same result
[23:26] <knome> Stylee, have you read this: http://unintention.com/?id=68 ?
[23:26] <knome> Stylee, i don't know if that would help but..
[23:26] <Stylee> I will try to read it now
[23:28] <Stylee> will try this hope it helps
[23:29] <knome> okay :)
[23:31] <balvonas> xubuntu 64bit is awesome
[23:32] <knome> balvonas, great to hear you like it
[23:32] <balvonas> damn stable
[23:32] <balvonas> ;]
[23:32] <balvonas> even on my crapy Acer
[23:32] <knome> heh
[23:32] <knome> it is pretty solid
[23:33] <Stylee> knome: it booted, thanks :) I was looking on google but with xubuntu keyword
[23:33] <knome> Stylee, yeah, np. have fun and merry christmas :)
[23:34] <Stylee> thanks, you too
[23:34] <knome> will do :)
[23:44] <Stylee> seems nice, hope my sister will get used to it quickly
[23:52] <knome> Stylee, i'm sure she will. it's really easy to use.
[23:56] <Stylee> well she is not really a tech type, and she is used to windows
[23:57] <Stylee> though this machine is really slow
[23:57] <knome> if she is open to learn a bit new and learn to some new habits, she will be allright.


[15:59] <kickinz1> o/
[15:59] <cpaelzer> o/
[16:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 15 16:00:02 2016 UTC.  The chair is matsubara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:00] <matsubara> Hi there! Welcome to the server meeting!
[16:00] <matsubara> who's here today?
[16:00] <cpaelzer> Hi matsubara - o/
[16:00] <matsubara> rharper and jgrimm-vac are off on holidays
[16:00] <caribou> o/
[16:00] <arges> o/
[16:01]  * jgrimm-vac lurks
[16:01] <matsubara> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <matsubara> I found only two actions from last week's meeting.
[16:02] <matsubara> ACTION: jgrimm to update/clean up blueprint
[16:02] <matsubara> ACTION: smb to clarify if kernel team handles kerneloops package
[16:03] <matsubara> I also take the opportunity to thank jgrimm-vac for running last week's meeting. It was my turn but I got disconnected by ISP
[16:03] <jgrimm-vac> no worries!
[16:03] <jgrimm-vac> i've made some cleanups in the blueprint, but keep it as action for me
[16:04] <matsubara> Ok, thanks
[16:04] <matsubara> #action: jgrimm to update/clean up blueprint
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: : jgrimm to update/clean up blueprint
[16:04] <matsubara> smb, hi there, just in time. We had an action for you from last week's meeting.
[16:04] <matsubara> ACTION: smb to clarify if kernel team handles kerneloops package
[16:05] <smb> matsubara, so while not clear its synced now
[16:05] <matsubara> smb, great. thanks!
[16:05] <matsubara> so, no more actions, let's move on
[16:05] <matsubara> #topic Xenial Development
[16:05] <matsubara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[16:06] <matsubara> Docstring freeze this week and next week final beta freeze
[16:06] <matsubara> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:06] <matsubara> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:08] <matsubara> ok, we have a couple of bugs there in new state
[16:08] <matsubara> one is high
[16:08] <matsubara> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1508874
[16:08] <matsubara> but that's likely to be under the openstack team turf
[16:09] <matsubara> and a new one for the lxc team which has been triaged as medium: http://launchpad.net/bugs/1533833
[16:09] <matsubara> looks like everything is under control there.
[16:09] <matsubara> let's move on
[16:09] <matsubara> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:10] <caribou> matsubara: nothing particular to bring up
[16:10] <matsubara> thanks caribou
[16:10] <matsubara> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:11] <matsubara> I'm working on dep8 tests for open-iscsi to avoid regressions such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/+bug/1553017
[16:11] <matsubara> other than that, nothing else to report.
[16:11] <matsubara> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:11] <smb> No news for kernel I believe. Still hoping to help lamont to fix bind/dhcp otherwise
[16:11] <matsubara> thanks smb
[16:12] <matsubara> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:13] <matsubara> any events that we should be aware and perhaps submit papers?
[16:13] <matsubara> I guess not
[16:13] <matsubara> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:14] <matsubara> No events that I'm aware of soon
[16:14] <matsubara> #topic Open Discussion
[16:15] <matsubara> Further discussion? anyone?
[16:15] <matsubara> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:16] <matsubara> Ok, so next meeting in the same time and same channel, next week. That will be the 22nd at 1600UTC. Chaired by the gaughen
[16:17] <cpaelzer> thanks matsubara
[16:17] <cpaelzer> \o
[16:17] <matsubara> thank you all!
[16:17] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[16:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 16:17:31 2016 UTC.
[16:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-15-16.00.moin.txt
[16:17] <kickinz1> thanks!
[16:19] <caribou> thanks!


[10:05] <voidspace> rvba: allenap: ping
[10:05] <voidspace> rvba: allenap: I have an MP for gomaasapi I'd appreciate a review on
[10:05] <voidspace> https://code.launchpad.net/~mfoord/gomaasapi/nodegroupsinterfaces/+merge/245891
[10:05] <allenap> voidspace: Sure. I'll see if I can remember Go :)
[10:06] <voidspace> rvba: allenap: it extends the TestServer
[10:06] <voidspace> allenap: thanks, it's easy
[10:13] <allenap> voidspace: Done, with one question in the diff.
[10:17] <voidspace> allenap: thanks
[10:17] <voidspace> allenap: currently listing nodegroups fails unless you add a boot image
[10:18] <voidspace> allenap: that's the existing code. So no boot image seems to mean no nodegroups in the existing code.
[10:18] <voidspace> allenap: I preserved those semantics - no boot image means no nodegroup so you can't list or add interfaces
[10:18] <allenap> voidspace: Okay, there's some sense in that, and you've not changed it. Thanks for explaining!
[10:19] <voidspace> allenap: I actually fixed a bug (and added a test) - currently listing nodegroups really fails if there are no nodegroups
[10:19] <voidspace> allenap: I changed it to return an empty list
[10:19] <voidspace> I mean if there are no boot images
[10:20] <voidspace> allenap: thanks - I'll merge
[10:20] <allenap> Cool.
[19:01] <jbeedy> Any takers .... http://askubuntu.com/questions/571823/does-there-exist-a-way-within-the-context-of-maas-to-specify-which-disk-shows-up


[07:08] <mup> Bug #1600121 opened: [2.0rc1] MAAS needs to use "sudo -n" everywhere "sudo" is used <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600121>
[08:20] <mup> Bug #1600135 opened: [2.0rc1] Calling the API with username/password authentication (via session cookie) results in undefined behavior <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600135>
[10:09] <junaidali> is maas 2.0 is compatible with 14.04?
[10:13] <junaidali> http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs2.0/install.html says to add repository ppa:maas/stable but maas 2.0 is still in beta
[11:50] <mup> Bug #1600198 opened: Bcache creation is unintuitive and causes traceback <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600198>
[13:48] <mup> Bug #1562249 changed: Failed to deploy machine with HP Smart Array Raid 6i <curtin-clear-holders> <curtin-sru> <landscape> <curtin:In Progress> <Landscape Server:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562249>
[13:48] <mup> Bug #1598358 changed: [juju beta10] With MAAS, node allocated but never told to deploy. <oil> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598358>
[13:57] <mup> Bug #1409949 changed: Backdoored images are overwritten by MAAS <oil> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409949>
[14:06] <mup> Bug #1409949 opened: Backdoored images are overwritten by MAAS <oil> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409949>
[14:18] <mup> Bug #1409949 changed: Backdoored images are overwritten by MAAS <oil> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409949>
[14:22] <webmichael> anyone know how to change the commissioning url for a node from archive.ubuntu.com to something else ? looking around could find a good answer yet
[14:22] <webmichael> could not
[14:27] <mup> Bug #1597969 changed: Change boot device and not recommissioning causes curtain failure <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597969>
[14:27] <mup> Bug #1600249 opened: Static IP assignement reverts last octed to "1" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600249>
[14:41] <gimmic> Anyone using maas to install CentOS?
[14:48] <five0va> hello all! I've been running into an issue attempting to add another VLAN or Subnet to MAAS (MAAS Version 2.0.0 (beta3+bzr4941)). I'm running this on Ubuntu 16.04 - http://askubuntu.com/questions/790732/maas-2-0-0-extra-data-when-adding-subnet
[14:57] <mup> Bug #1600259 opened: [2.0] reverse DNS sometimes assigns FQDN where it should assign IFACE.FQDN <MAAS:New for lamont> <MAAS 2.0:New for lamont> <MAAS trunk:New for lamont> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600259>
[14:57] <mup> Bug #1600264 opened: [2.0rc1] Unable to connect to BMC causes a traceback <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600264>
[15:08] <gimmic> I don't see maas-image-builder
[15:12] <gimmic> nevermind, failure to comprehend the manual
[15:14] <gimmic> even with the repos, can't find maas-image-builder
[15:21] <mup> Bug #1600267 opened: Can't add aliases to DHCP interfaces <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600267>
[15:24] <kiko> gimmic, what are you trying to do?
[15:32] <gimmic> I'm trying to find the maas-image-builder per documentation
[15:32] <gimmic> I'm going to need to deploy CentOS
[15:49] <roaksoax> gimmic: maas-image-builder has been deprecated now as CentOS is provided as part of the images you can download
[15:49] <roaksoax> gimmic: you need to use the 'daily' image streams though  to be able to find the CentOS images
[15:54] <dannf> roaksoax: would you rather i wait till the doc changes are merged into trunk, so that the backported revs are recorded, or just do a separate branch w/ cherrypicks from my branch?
[16:02] <gQuigs> maas 1.9.3 should be able to commision nodes with 16.04 even if your maas node is 14.04, right?
[16:03] <gQuigs> comissioning with 14.04 and then installing 16.04 works
[16:15] <mup> Bug #1600285 opened: please drop arm64/efi grub module workaround <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600285>
[16:17] <gimmic> roaksoax: thanks, how do I enable 'daily' image streams?
[16:21] <mup> Bug #1600285 changed: please drop arm64/efi grub module workaround <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600285>
[16:22] <five0va> Finally was able to a subnet working - exact steps need to be taken or non-descript errors are thrown (like the data error I was encountering!). Now I'm encountering an issue where this MAAS deployment wasn't setup with DHCP.. how do I change this?
[16:24] <mup> Bug #1600285 opened: please drop arm64/efi grub module workaround <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600285>
[17:10] <webmichael> you want maas to manage dhcp for that subnet ?
[17:11] <roaksoax> gimmic: go to the settings page and the image source.
[17:15] <gimmic> I don't see an image source
[17:15] <gimmic> I see the ubuntu main archive
[17:15] <webmichael> look for boot images
[17:16] <gimmic> got it.
[18:05] <gQuigs> found a bug for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1573072
[18:06] <gQuigs> that seems like more importance than wishlist though... thoughts?
[18:42] <mup> Bug #1600328 opened: [2.0rc1] Traceback when adding a machine via the API, but it is added nonetheless <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600328>


[00:25] <slangasek> CC-BY-SA?
[00:38] <dpb1> heh heh
[00:47] <Unit193> sarnold: Where's the fun in that?
[00:47] <sarnold> what, you want to do a library transition already? :D
[00:48] <Unit193> ...Actually yes, I ran ~15 autopkgtests last night to see how smooth it'd likely be. :>
[00:48] <sarnold> lol
[00:49]  * sarnold shakes his head
[00:49] <Unit193> Though, I'd do it in Debian not Ubuntu.
[08:03] <alkisg> Hi, after installing Ubuntu 18.04, I get a lot of files in the *underlying* file system under the tmpfs /run mount. Should I file a bug report, and if so against what, Ubiquity?
[08:04] <alkisg> To reproduce: mount --bind / /mnt; ls /mnt/run
[08:05] <rbasak> Does the timestamp of the files suggest it happened while the installer was running?
[08:05] <alkisg> My installation is too recent to tell... could someone else check, using the above 2 commands?
[08:05] <didrocks> alkisg: confirming (it's a very old bug, my install is years old), add it against ubiquity for now and it can be retriaged
[08:05] <didrocks> rbasak: for me, those files are from my last install, 2012
[08:05] <alkisg> Thank you guys
[08:05] <didrocks> alkisg: thanks for noticing this! :)
[08:10] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1767294
[08:11] <didrocks> thx!
[08:11] <alkisg> Me too :)
[13:37] <krytarik> Tofu topic! \o/
[14:27] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[14:27] <cousin_luigi> stgraber: Greetings.
[18:12] <nacc> bdmurray: should https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release be updated to include bionic now? (for 17.10 users)
[18:13] <bdmurray> nacc: Maybe? I think we are hoping to sort out bug 1766890 first.
[18:13] <nacc> bdmurray: ah ok, just want to make sure to communicate correctly in #ubuntu
[18:21] <bdmurray> nacc: Also people don't test upgrades a lot before the release so waiting a bit might allow us to find / fix more issues.
[18:23] <cousin_luigi> laibsch
[18:32] <nacc> bdmurray: yep, agreed
[18:32] <nacc> bdmurray: there's been about 1-2 messages an hour, at least, asking why they can't d-r-u yet. So just want to make sure the correct answer is given
[18:33] <bdmurray> nacc: cool, thanks for paying attention to that
[18:34] <nacc> bdmurray: np! :)
[18:39] <jbicha> nacc: also https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8fcwea/well_that_is_just_cruel/
[18:39] <jbicha> the screenshot is from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[18:40] <nacc> yep, i'll link it to the discussion channel
[22:34] <nacc> doko: did we ever come up with an answer for netbeans? LP: #1763091
[22:34] <nacc> there are several related bugs in Ubuntu, and a bunch in Debian
[23:19] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Yey, Debian #897052, LP 1767402 :/