[00:06] <yofel> ubuntulover: how do you know that it's panicked if it's still running? or did it just oops?
[00:08] <solid_liq> yofel, if the capslock and numlock keys won't turn their lights on or off, then the system is frozen
[00:09] <yofel> solid_liq: well, yes, but he says it's still running, or do I just have a odd definition off running<->frozen?
[00:09] <solid_liq> yofel, it'll still be running when it's frozen (the computer itself), but nothing will respond
[00:10] <yofel> well, that's why I wanted to know if he's *sure* that the kernel panicked. Some people wrote on oops reports that they thought the kernel had panicked
[00:10] <yofel> well, he's gone
[00:11] <yofel> sry if my question wasn't clear
[00:12] <sebsebseb> Hi
[00:12] <yofel> hi sebsebseb
[00:16] <sebsebseb> yofel: I just read this and all the comments http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-gets-new-logout-dialogues.html removing the Gnome count down :(, well at least it's something to try in vm when I get lucid updates.
[00:16] <sebsebseb> also surely there is a way to have the count down back :)
[00:17] <Debian911> can anyone confirm that the version of eglibc (2.11.1-0ubuntu4) is superior then that of Debian Expermential is using as I can see there version 2.11-0exp6 lists a fix for "Add the fallocate64() syscall.  Closes: bug#568924" but cant see it listed in Ubuntus' changelog
[00:17] <sebsebseb> yofel: hi by the way
[00:18] <Debian911> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.11.1-0ubuntu4/changelog
[00:18] <Debian911> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.11-0exp6/changelog
[00:18] <Debian911> respectively
[00:20] <Damascene> did the problem with the icon get fixed?
[00:28] <yofel> Debian911: as I can't find a bug in ubuntu about this you could file a bug on launchpad against eglibc and put a watch on the debian bug on it
[00:28] <Debian911> yofel: I'm not sure if its already fixed - was just wondering is all, are you saying that it hasn't been or log a bug to CHECK?
[00:33] <yofel> Debian911: tbh, no idea, if anything you could ask the packagers in #ubuntu-motu or the devs in #ubuntu-devel
[00:38] <crimsun> FWIW, Debian911's reference-> it is fixed in Lucid's current eglibc.
[00:38] <crimsun> i.e., compare http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f3615a1c97a030bca59f728f998947f852679b9 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/eglibc/lucid/annotate/head:/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/wordsize-64/Versions
[00:44] <kai_> Synaptics doesn't work anymore :(  (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad""
[00:44] <kai_> Also, tpconfig and gpointing-device-settings cause this: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[00:45] <Debian911> crimsun: sorry was a mislick on this window thus closed it mate - wasn't quite sure what your saying in #ubuntu-devel - first link is loading, 2nd isn't
[00:48] <kai_> Why is this?
[00:54] <yofel> kai_: about the latter: can you give the full error? exit status 2 is used for more than one case
[00:54] <kai_> yofel, http://pastebin.com/niU0U8XK
[00:54] <kai_> "util-linux" is just an example, by the way.
[00:56] <yofel> kai_: are you sure that you have enough space left on /var/lib/dpkg/info? or did you crash your pc after installing updates the last time these packages were updated?
[00:56] <kai_> yofel: I think the battery might have died during an upgrade.
[00:56] <yofel> urgh
[00:56] <kai_> and I think I have enough space.
[00:57] <kai_> I tried sudo apt-get -f install
[00:57] <kai_> didn't change anything
[00:57] <solid_liq> how do I report that my laptop locks up fairly frequently while running this version of ubuntu?
[00:57] <yofel> ok, then the package scripts are zero byte files as they weren't yet synced to disk and were restored from journal without contents
[00:57] <yofel> lemme fetch the solution
[00:57] <kai_> Also, /usr/bin/gpointing-device-settings and /usr/bin/tpconfig are both empty.
[00:57] <kai_> yofel: Actually, those weren't installed during an upgrade.
[00:58] <EagleScreen> solid_liq: would be useful if you determine if kernel is crashing or if X server is crashing
[00:58] <kai_> I'm quite sure that my laptop didn't die while I was installing gpointing-device-settings and tpconfig.
[00:58] <kai_> solid_liq: Is the caps lock or numlock key flashing when it locks up?
[00:58] <yofel> kai_: maybe shortly after? ext4 takes its time to sync files
[00:58] <kai_> yofel: ah, perhaps
[00:59] <kai_> yes! it was in spanish class today
[00:59] <kai_> it died a bit after I installed the packages
[01:00] <panfist> is xdmcp changed from karmic in lucid? i have never been able to get xdmcp working smoothly in karmic
[01:01] <yofel> kai_: see the workarounds on bug 512096 to get dpkg working again, after that run 'sudo debsums -s' and reinstall all packages that have corrupt files
[01:01] <kai_> okay
[01:02] <EagleScreen> what happens with package sun-java6-plugin in lucid?
[01:03] <kai_> yay, dpkg is working again! thank you!
[01:03] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, it's a hard lockup (numlock and capslock won't respond)
[01:03] <kai_> yofel: there is no debsums command :(
[01:03] <yofel> EagleScreen: has been moved to the canonical partner repos
[01:03] <solid_liq> kai_, aptitude install debsums
[01:03] <yofel> kai_: you might have to install it first ;)
[01:04] <kai_> xD
[01:04] <EagleScreen> kai_: screen result in freeze?
[01:04] <solid_liq> eagles0513875, any idea how to report this?
[01:04] <kai_> EagleScreen: ...?
[01:05] <EagleScreen> sorry kai_ that was for solid_liq
[01:05] <yofel> EagleScreen: note that the sun-java6-plugin doesn't work with firefox 3.6 in lucid unless you fix a symlink
[01:05] <EagleScreen> yofel: i will try use it in Arora
[01:05] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, the mouse stops responding if it freezes while the screen is active
[01:05] <EagleScreen> telll me good luck
[01:05] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, most of the time though it seems to freeze when it tries to turn off the monitor
[01:05] <yofel> EagleScreen: if arora uses xulrunner then it should be fine
[01:06] <kai_> arora does NOT use xulrunner ._.
[01:06] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, I'm running one of the new core i5 processors with the GPU in the same package as the CPU
[01:07] <EagleScreen> solid_liq: graphics card model?
[01:08] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, it's the Intel integrated GPU
[01:08]  * yofel was talking about bug 532174 if anyone should ever be affected
[01:09] <yofel> solid_liq: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' give?
[01:09] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, the new version of Intel GMA HD
[01:09] <solid_liq> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[01:09] <solid_liq> yofel, ^^
[01:09] <yofel> wow, nice example of telling nothing o.O
[01:09] <EagleScreen> solid_liq: did u use pastebin before?
[01:10] <solid_liq> you want something pastebin'd EagleScreen ?
[01:10] <EagleScreen> yes
[01:10] <solid_liq> what?
[01:11] <EagleScreen> /var/log/Xorg.0.log AND /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[01:11] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, I'll just stick them on my website
[01:12] <kai_> yofel: apt is fixed now, but why is Synaptics not working?
[01:13] <EagleScreen> kai_: touchpad not working?
[01:13] <kai_> yeah.
[01:13] <EagleScreen> not working at all?
[01:13] <kai_> (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad""
[01:13] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, http://solid.linux-coders.org/xorg_logs.tar.bz2
[01:13] <kai_> EagleScreen: not at all, but the mouse still works somewhat
[01:14] <kai_> barely.
[01:17] <yofel> kai_: we had that already today, so you're not along, no idea why that would happen though. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/11/%23ubuntu+1.html#t21:51
[01:17] <EagleScreen> solid_liq: come to #intel-gfx channel and ask if they expect that kind of problems with your hardware
[01:17] <yofel> s/along/alone
[01:17] <EagleScreen> kai_: did you check you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
[01:17] <solid_liq> EagleScreen, okay
[01:18] <kai_> EagleScreen: yes, and I've reinstalled it multiple times
[01:18] <EagleScreen> kai_: can u move cursor?
[01:18] <kai_> yes.
[01:18] <kai_> and click, but that's it.
[01:19] <kai_> the cursor also moves to the top right corner occasionally, which is annoying.
[01:19] <kai_> I can't scroll.
[01:19] <EagleScreen> kai_: did it work in karmic?
[01:20] <kai_> I didn't use karmic because wifi didn't work. It was perfect in jaunty and in lucid until today
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> why is parted and udisks showing in updates but greyed out?
[01:23] <EagleScreen> kai_: file a bug against xserver-xorg-input-synaptics --> $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[01:23] <EagleScreen> kindofabuzz: because that updates must require removal of software
[01:23] <kindofabuzz> EagleScreen, so just leave it alone?
[01:24] <EagleScreen> update-manager usually has fear to update software that need to remove other software
[01:25] <EagleScreen> kindofabuzz: if you want a full upgrade removing obsoleted packages and your aptitude doesn't crash, run $ sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[01:26] <kindofabuzz> k
[01:32] <kai_> Filed.
[01:41] <Overand> So, the final decision was for 2.6.32?
[01:56] <Guest70077> !sound
[01:57] <Guest70077> what volume control?
[02:01] <jaysonsantos> Hi guys after updating to lucid I can't receive files via bluetooth in my pc. It keep saying something like this 'Please verify if the program "Personal files sharing" is installed correctly. Anyone knows which package is that ?
[02:01] <Guest70077> I cant find the volume control to change anything
[02:02] <EagleScreen> Guest70077: open terminal -> run command: alsamixer
[02:04] <Guest70077> okay but there is still no file/change device
[02:05] <Guest70077> this is what I have:  00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01)
[02:11] <jaysonsantos> Find it. It is gnome-user-share, thank you
[02:45] <karma_police> anyone tried to install alpha 3 yet?
[02:45] <crimsun> alpha 3's kinda dated at this point.
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> yep. thats the way it always seems to work.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> a new install.. would need like another cd+ of updates right now :)
[02:46] <karma_police> whats the latest? i tried to install alpha 3 on my vm and it just hangs
[02:46] <crimsun> use a daily-live
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> yep - thats a good idea.
[02:47] <karma_police> i'm a noob.. whats a daily live?
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> I really need to do somtghing with this machine. ive abused it so much - it needs a clean install
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  if you are a noob - that its proberly not a good idea to be using LucidLynx then
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> a daily build of the ISO file with all updates.
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> Beta 1 schedule release = March 18th.
[02:48] <karma_police> well, i am just wanting to play with it in a virualbox... i say i'm a noob.. i've been ubunting since 9.04
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> I had issues with Alpha3 also. had to idmenetly update/upgrade to even get a working system with it
[02:51] <karma_police> i'm just bored.. trying to see whats ahead
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> lots of fighting over default theme decisions proberly.... :)
[02:51] <Emzzzz> http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268361921.jpg/ do my tits look big?
[02:51] <karma_police> been reading reveiws.. don't know that i will like the new buton placement either
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  its trivial to change.
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> but its still a silly thing to do.
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> all the hype and nonsence over the themes and artwork. are overshadowing other imporntant changes and new features.
[02:53] <karma_police> i guess they are trying to please the mac'ers.. lol
[02:54] <crimsun> everyone has an opinion or three ;-)
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> I dont even recall myt mac having the buttons on the left...
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> but i got an OLD mac..
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> and its a doorstop now
[02:55] <karma_police> i think x has it on left
[02:55] <karma_police> i was a windows user so not very familiar with mac anyways
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> I find fundamental gui changes to the defaults with no real 'debate' on  the change. to be a bit.. bothersom.
[02:56] <crimsun> Dr_Willis: WRT hype, yeah, most of the work has been going into fixing bugs
[02:56] <crimsun> no one really appreciates how much work goes into polish *or* fixing bugs
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> lets just put them on the bottom left! or a vertical titlebar like some of these light weight wms use! :)
[02:56] <karma_police> maybe they will fix the cd drive bug.. my ubuntu tries to keep my cd-r's lol
[02:57] <crimsun> karma_police: "keep"?
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> crimsun:  yep.  all these news sites go on and on and on about how 'sexy' the new themes look.. but wait.. they LOVED the old themes.. so whats so much better now.
[02:57] <karma_police> have to reboot to get my cd back
[02:57] <karma_police> sudo eject doesn't work
[02:57] <crimsun> karma_police: meaning your drive doesn't eject the disc?
[02:57] <karma_police> right
[02:57] <crimsun> karma_police: what does strace tell you?
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> I still have major USB hard drive speed issues and resets with 9.10 .. going to upgrade to  10.04 this weekend to see if that fixes it.
[02:58] <karma_police> i don't know.. not familiar with strace
[02:58] <crimsun> we've already landed a change in linux to make the eject do what the user generally intends
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> heh - ive gotten where i remove my optical drives in mopst of my machines.. i rarely use them any more :)
[02:59] <karma_police> i have an issue with my desktop icons piling on top of each other.. unless i  "clean up by name" is there a way to keep that as a default?
[03:00] <karma_police> yeah i love live usb
[03:00] <crimsun> karma_police: tick the "Keep aligned" checkbox?
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  seen that issue for ages. Ive seen brainstorm suggestions.. but not seen any 'always auto clean up'
[03:01] <karma_police> its not that big of a deal to me.. just one of them minor annoyances
[03:01] <crimsun> annoyances/bugs/...
[03:01] <crimsun> (it's a bug)
[03:02] <karma_police> still haven't messed around with samba yet either.. i want to share my secondary hdd
[03:02] <karma_police> lots of reading.. lol
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> the samba-doc package has books that teacy you many things. :)
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> bye work time
[03:03] <karma_police> that in repo?
[03:07] <crimsun> yes
[03:10] <bjsnider> i'm tired of the whining about the buttons on the left
[03:10] <bjsnider> leave it alone
[03:11] <Milos_SD> Hi
[03:11] <Milos_SD> Where can I find .deb packages for linux-next kernel?
[03:13] <Milos_SD> I need it for one 5 year old laptop ... I see there is some changes in firmware loading for ipw2200, and I would like to try if that will help to get wireless working on that laptop. I would compile it, but it would take about 4h to do it on that laptop.
[03:36] <mustelo> I'm missing my volume control icon in the top panel. is this something I can restore?
[03:40] <karma_police> i cannot get 10.04 to install.. have dl and burned at least 4 times now
[03:41] <karma_police> guess i will just have to wait for final release afterall.. or at least beta
[03:41] <mustelo> karma_police, what's going wrong?
[03:48] <ddecator> mustelo, did you accidentally delete the applet or did it just disappear?
[03:49] <mustelo> ddecator, I'm pretty sure it disappeared. always the possibility it was me though. it doesn't show up in the "add to panel" dialogue though...
[03:50] <ddecator> mustelo, hm...you could try restoring the panels, although that will return them to default so it might be a pain if you have a lot of launchers or applets on there
[03:51] <mustelo> ddecator, would that restore it even if the volume applet isn't in the list of possible things to put there?
[03:52] <ddecator> mustelo, should, although i can't make any promises
[03:52] <mustelo> ddecator, fair. how do I restore it?
[03:52] <ddecator> mustelo, let me find the command a second...
[03:54] <ddecator> let me try it a sec to make sure it works
[03:56] <ddecator> it requires a log out and log back in, i'll brb
[03:57] <mustelo> k
[04:01] <ddecator> there we go, it worked
[04:01] <ddecator> mustelo, ready?
[04:01] <mustelo> ready to rock
[04:01] <ddecator> mustelo, perfect. just run "rm ~/.gconf/apps/panel" in a terminal, then log out and log back in
[04:02] <mustelo> alright give me a sec
[04:03] <mustelo> ddecator, that's a directory for me
[04:03] <mustelo> should I run rm -r?
[04:03] <ddecator> mustelo, yup, sorry about that, haha
[04:04] <mustelo> alright
[04:04] <mustelo> brb
[04:07] <mustelo> still no volume applet
[04:07] <ddecator> did it reset?
[04:07] <mustelo> yes
[04:08] <ddecator> strange...what version of ubuntu?
[04:08] <ddecator> wait
[04:08] <ddecator> sorry, just realized what channel we're in...
[04:08] <mustelo> lol... yeah.
[04:08] <ddecator> i'm used to talking on -bugs, haha
[04:08] <ddecator> let me take a look...
[04:09] <ddecator> i wonder if it's related to the indicator-sound package
[04:10] <denis-k> is lucid going to have any improvements to older hardware and/or ati cards?
[04:11] <ddecator> mustelo, oh, the sound applet is part of the notification applet...
[04:13] <mustelo> what's the actual name of the package?
[04:13] <ddecator> that's what i'm trying to find...
[04:14] <kermiac> ddecator: indicator-sound?
[04:15] <ddecator> mustelo, can you add the indicator applet to the panel?
[04:15] <ddecator> kermiac, i don't know much about the background of applets, haha
[04:15] <mustelo> ddecator, it's already up there, but I can add a second instance, yeah
[04:16] <ddecator> mustelo, the sound applet shows up for me when i add it...
[04:18] <mustelo> all that shows up is the chat/microblogging envelope thing
[04:18] <mustelo> (when I add it, I also have a bunch of other stuff hanging out up there)
[04:19] <ddecator> odd, i'm not sure if that's something wrong with the indicator applet, or something else...
[04:19] <mustelo> woops, indicator applet just crashed
[04:19] <mustelo> seems to answer that question
[04:19] <sqwertle> I'm getting a lot of acpi errors when trying to boot, what can I do to remedy this?
[04:19] <ddecator> especially if it crashed as a result of the sound applet
[04:19] <mustelo> The problem cannot be reported:The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.
[04:20] <ddecator> kermiac, this is off-topic, but do you have a specialization?
[04:20] <ddecator> mustelo, of course...
[04:20] <mustelo> is there any way to run indicator-applet in debugging mode or recover the error message from that crash?
[04:21] <kermiac> ddecator: as that really is o/t - pm me mate :)
[04:21] <ddecator> touche
[04:21] <ddecator> mustelo, let me check if any bug reports have been files
[04:21] <ddecator> s/files/filed
[04:23] <h00k> I'm pretty sure Brittany's iPod Touch is synching with Lucid on my netbook right now (Rhythmbox)
[04:26] <ddecator> mustelo, alright, i'm looking at one report...can you see if you have indicator-sound installed?
[04:26] <mustelo> I do not
[04:26] <ddecator> that could be the problem =)
[04:27] <ddecator> mustelo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/526796
[04:27] <mustelo> indeed... how did that get removed?
[04:28] <ddecator> apt sometimes doesn't install it, the report hasn't found an exact cause
[04:28] <mustelo> interesting.
[04:28] <mustelo> reinstalling.
[04:29] <ddecator> mustelo, good deal. let me know if it fixes the problem for you =)
[04:29] <mustelo> will do
[04:29] <ddecator> sqwertle, are you seeing errors because plymouth isn't working correctly?
[04:29] <ddecator> h00k, very nice!
[04:30] <sqwertle> ddecator: plymouth? I'm working on typing up the errors atm, but I don't think so.
[04:30] <sqwertle> It's a fresh install
[04:31] <ddecator> sqwertle, plymouth is supposed to display a splash screen during bootup. do you have an nvidia graphics card?
[04:31] <ddecator> or is it not booting at all?
[04:32] <sqwertle> No. I have Mobile Intel® HD Graphics.
[04:32] <sqwertle> It's not booting at all, not after the install
[04:32] <ddecator> did you install using a live cd?
[04:33] <mustelo> ddecator, all set. just had to reinstall and login/logout. thanks a lot :)
[04:33] <sqwertle> Yes
[04:34] <sqwertle> I received these errors with that as well beginning the install process until I chose the advanced boot options with "noacpi"
[04:34] <sqwertle> after that it worked fine.
[04:34] <ddecator> mustelo, no problem. feel free to let mark that bug report as effecting you if you have an lp account, and you can let them know that installing the package resolves the problem =)
[04:35] <ddecator> sqwertle, i don't know much about acpi. does the live cd work if you use it to run a live session?
[04:35] <mustelo> ddecator, sure, I'll do that.
[04:36] <ddecator> mustelo, assuming there isn't already a comment saying that installing that helps...i can't remember if there was or not
[04:36] <sqwertle> if I use the "acpi= off" command yes
[04:36] <mustelo> ddecator, there is a comment which says "I also don't have sound indicator applet on recently upgraded to 10.04 alpha machine. But indicator-sound package is already installed." so perhaps it's not relevant
[04:37] <sqwertle> It's entirely working now
[04:37] <sqwertle> I was unaware of a difference between noacpi, pci=noacpi and acpi=off
[04:37] <sqwertle> I feel foolish =$
[04:37] <sqwertle> Thanks (sorry about using enter for punctuation, bad habit)
[04:37] <ddecator> mustelo, interesting...perhaps it isn't related, let me check the report again a sec
[04:37] <ddecator> sqwertle, no problem, glad you got it working =)
[04:39] <Guest20693> How do I add the volume control (speaker) to the taskbar in lucid?
[04:39] <mustelo> Guest20693, funny you should ask...
[04:39] <Guest20693> i tried "add applet" but it's not there.
[04:39] <mustelo> Guest20693, can you check if indicator-sound is installed?
[04:40] <ddecator> haha, that's crazy
[04:40] <ddecator> well, if it's the same thing, then this is definitely a bug...
[04:40] <Guest20693> yes
[04:40] <mustelo> ddecator, I think I'm going to add that comment anyways, because it might help some people at least
[04:40] <ddecator> Guest20693, the sound applet is part of the indicator applet
[04:40] <Guest20693> dpkg shows it installed
[04:40] <ddecator> oh, now that's even more interesting...
[04:41] <mustelo> would there be any reason for dpkg and apt-cache policy to disagree?
[04:41] <Guest20693> ddecator: this is what I got back from dpkg -- ii  indicator-sound                                   0.1.3-0ubuntu1
[04:41] <ddecator> i have an older version installed on my system...
[04:42] <ddecator> Guest20693, what does it say if you check in synaptic?
[04:42] <Guest20693> ddecator: let me check
[04:42] <azendal> does anyone is testin ubuntu 10.04? that has problems with gedit?
[04:42] <ddecator> azendal, can you be more specific?
[04:43] <mustelo> for the record, I have indicator-sound version 0.1.2-0ubuntu1
[04:43] <ddecator> mustelo, that's what i have as well
[04:43] <Guest20693> ddecator: it shows installed in synaptic
[04:43] <ddecator> Guest20693, what version?
[04:43] <Guest20693> ddecator: 0.1.3
[04:44] <ddecator> Guest20693, any idea if that was updated recently?
[04:44] <Guest20693> ddecator: i don't know I installed and updated today...
[04:44] <mustelo> ddecator, I just did sudo apt-get update and it still shows 0.1.2 as latest available
[04:45] <Guest20693> ddecator: I updated from suse 11.0 to this release -- looks like novell is gonna bite the big one
[04:45] <ddecator> interesting...
[04:45] <Guest20693> ddecator: where may I report a bug?
[04:46] <ddecator> Guest20693, let me check something...
[04:47] <Guest20693> ddecator: k
[04:47] <kermiac> ddecator: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound - indicator-sound (0.1.3-0ubuntu1) came out a few hours ago
[04:47] <ddecator> ah, 32-bit has a newer version...
[04:47] <Guest20693> system seems much faster w/o hal
[04:48] <ddecator> kermiac, i was just checking the package archive ;)
[04:48] <Guest20693> i have a 32 bit system and a 64 bit system -- my 64 bit system is running 9.10
[04:48] <kermiac> :)
[04:49] <ddecator> now the question is, is this a problem that is temporary while the packages update, or is it a regression?
[04:49] <Guest20693> ddecator: how can we find out?
[04:49] <ddecator> Guest20693, that's what i'm wondering, haha
[04:49] <mustelo> ddecator, i've been missing it for a few days, seems unlikely to be temporary
[04:50] <Guest20693> some one has to say this:  "it's [volume control] dead Jim!"
[04:50] <ddecator> mustelo, your issue was with apt not installing the package though. Guest20693 's problem is the installed package not working right
[04:50] <h00k> ddecator: it didn't go, rhythmbox died on ejecting and the music doesn't show up on it :(
[04:50] <mustelo> ddecator, good point.
[04:50] <ddecator> h00k, dang...still in development though
[04:50] <Guest20693> I use guayadeque for an mp3 player
[04:51] <h00k> ddecator: but Rhythmbox shows the music on it and will play from it, so that's a step
[04:52] <Guest20693> h00k: music will play on my system if I go into System/Preferences Sound, and futz with the volume control - I get a lot of buzzing, more futzing fixes that then mp3 plays ok
[04:52] <Guest20693> YES, i DID install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:53] <ddecator> well, i guess it doesn't hurt to ask. anyone else here using 32-bit that has updated their system in the past few hours?
[04:53] <h00k> sure
[04:53] <h00k> I have
[04:53] <ddecator> h00k, mind checking what version of indicator-sound is installed on your system and if the sound applet in the indicator applet is working for you?
[04:54] <h00k> ddecator: standby, my internets are acting up.
[04:55] <ddecator> h00k, no problem, thanks in advance for testing =)
[04:55] <Guest20693> ah it won't let me force version the previous version
[04:58] <h00k> ddecator: turns out the update I was doing is still going
[04:58] <ddecator> h00k, haha, alright
[04:58] <jason_> is anyone having any trouble getting flash to work with chrome?
[04:58] <jason_> cause i am
[04:59] <Guest20693> jason_: i had problems with 64 bit yeah
[04:59] <jason_> im on 32
[04:59] <jason_> and bluetooth wont turn on
[05:00] <Guest20693> jason_: not installed chrome on 32 bit system yet
[05:00] <ddecator> jason_, working for me right now. how did you install flash?
[05:01] <jason_> through the link offered on youtube, currently searching for it in package mgr
[05:01] <h00k> ddecator: yeah, it's going to be a bit.
[05:02] <ddecator> jason_, i have it installed from the official repos
[05:02] <ddecator> h00k, no problem
[05:03] <Blueguy> whoa
[05:03] <jason_> im going there now, i avoided it because it only stated mozilla and netscape
[05:03] <ddecator> jason_, you may need to uninstall the version you have now in order to get it to work properly
[05:05] <Blueguy> anyone know what repo opera is in?
[05:05] <ddecator> Blueguy, i think i had to use a ppa from launchpad
[05:05] <Blueguy> ddecator: ahh okay
[05:07] <Blueguy> yeah here it is:  deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[05:11] <Blueguy> yippe skipy
[05:21] <Blueguy> type at you later d00ds - thanks for all your help
[05:32] <jason_> ok where do i find the flash player repo
[05:39] <ZykoticK9> jason_, what do you mean by "repo"?  I'm unaware of a Flash repo (or even PPA for that matter, there probably is one).  You can install flash using Ubuntu Restricted Extras or just install the "flashplugin-installer" if that's all you need/want.
[05:59] <jason_> i dont know whats going on, i did install it from pkg manager, still no functioning flash
[06:00] <jason_> trying the restricted extras now
[06:00] <jason_> :(
[06:00] <jason_> im relatively new to linux
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> jason_, i think that's just going to install the same package regarding flash i'm affraid...
[06:01] <jason_> kind of forced myself to learn it quick as i dumped windows
[06:02] <jason_> i think maybe i should run md5 because bluetooth isnt working either, but does with a live mint disc
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> jason_, you did restart (i assume) firefox after installing flash right?  try opening about:plugins and see if it's listed
[06:02] <jason_> well thats the thing, im using Chrome
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> jason_, good choice!
[06:03] <jason_> i should have said that i apologize, it works fine in firefox
[06:04] <ZykoticK9> really?  haven't seen that before.  are you using "google chrome" or chromium-browser from the repo?
[06:04] <jason_> google chrome
[06:04] <ZykoticK9> umm, that might be the difference.  you might try installing chromium-browser, flash will probably work there.
[06:04] <jason_> you rock, ill try it now
[06:05] <jason_> haha just as soon as the restricted extras finishes
[06:08] <jason_> any compiz "eye candy" for Lucid?
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> jason_, what do you mean?  compiz is in Lucid...
[06:09] <jason_> ZykoticK9 , awesome chromium was the answer
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> jason_, :)
[06:10] <jason_> ok i definately do not see compiz?
[06:11] <jason_> i see its installed,
[06:11] <ZykoticK9> jason_, system / preferences / appearance -- Visual Effects tab - can you change to Normal or Extra?
[06:11] <jason_> oh yes I can, it appears to have default settings
[06:12] <jason_> wobble....etc
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> jason_, in a terminal type ccsm - and it will say that it's not installed and give you the "sudo install compiz-config-settings-manager" <- or similar, install that for ALL the eyecandy
[06:13] <jason_> its minor, im a fan of the power speed and control of everything, and am learning more, but i did take a liking to Mint 7-8's aded settings
[06:15] <jason_> i swear you'll be on my christmas list
[06:16] <ZykoticK9> jason_, seeing as this channel is so slow right now, you got any other questions?
[06:17] <jason_> a good recommendation for a ubuntu book for a beginner
[06:17] <ZykoticK9> no idea man...
[06:18] <jason_> i am getting familiar with unix file systems, but i see great value in learning my way around commands
[06:18] <jason_> haha
[06:18] <jason_> i get by with googling questions
[06:18] <ZykoticK9> google and the Ubuntu online documentation are VERY handy!
[06:18] <jason_> you have any ideas why it doesnt allow me to turn on bluetooth
[06:19] <jason_> it works on any given live cd
[06:19] <jason_> just gives me the option to turn it on, which does nothing at all
[06:19] <ZykoticK9> i was able to get BT working yesterday?  i just plugged my usb BT dongle in and it started working...
[06:21] <jason_> hmmm...it just sticks on "checking"
[06:22] <jason_> i'll figure it out, i appreciate your help man
[06:22] <ZykoticK9> jason_, enjoy Lucid man
[06:23] <jason_> i am...i dont know what i could do for all your help....
[06:23] <jason_> but thank you
[06:24] <ZykoticK9> my pleasure!
[06:37] <alkisg> Am I mistaken, or now with the new lucid theme the window borders are just 1 pixel wide, making it really hard to resize windows?
[06:40] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  is there anhy rationale for dropping OO.org hyphenations and thesauri from the writing aids packages?
[06:55] <lubosz> is there a fix for the nvidia drivers yet?
[06:57] <lubosz> aptitude keeps crashing because of libc
[06:58] <cwillu_at_work> alkisg, corners should still be there, and you can always alt-middle-drag :p
[07:10] <m0ar> My X-session randomly restarts after being logged on a frw minutes. It's NOT the bug when it restarts when you press a certain key, so I have no idea.  Screen gets black and I return to the logon screen. Is this known?
[07:12] <ZykoticK9> m0ar, i'm just curious, but what graphics card are you using?
[07:13] <m0ar> ZykoticK9: G100 series, for laptops
[07:13] <m0ar> ZykoticK9: G105M, nVidia
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo
[07:14] <ZykoticK9> m0ar, wow nvidia - did not expect that.  Hope you find a fix man.   That caused my X problems last week, but renaming some file solved it until I did my last update ,_,
[07:15] <m0ar> Hm, maybe it's renewed
[07:16] <m0ar> Nope, still named plymouth-splash.conf.disabled
[07:16] <m0ar> I'll have to leave for work, but anyone is free to query me if they know anything about this!
[07:19] <ActionParsnip> Just remove plymouth
[07:19] <ActionParsnip> Job done :)
[07:20] <m0ar> Howto?
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> Its a package like any other so you can use software center etc
[07:20] <m0ar> Remind me, what's the purpose of plymouth?
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Its just a pointless boot graphic
[07:21] <m0ar> Eh
[07:21] <m0ar> So gone already
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Once removed you will get a text boot
[07:21] <m0ar> I already have
[07:21] <m0ar> eh
[07:21] <m0ar> :c
[07:21] <m0ar> Wierd
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Very weird. Have a websearch at work ;)
[07:22] <m0ar> Yeah, good that you reminded me. Work.
[07:22] <m0ar> Thanks for the discussion
[08:34] <denis-k> Is anything related to karmic's theme conversed in here?
[08:34] <denis-k> i mean lucid*
[08:34] <Ian_Corne> there has been plenty of talking
[08:36] <denis-k> the background of the buttons have to be clean...not engraved/depressed...makes it look tacky >.>
[08:36] <denis-k> but im guessing thats already been talked about?
[08:38] <kermiac> denis-k: there are a fair amount of bug reports regarding the new theme in lucid - see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bugs
[08:43] <denis-k> kermiac: Well, what i have to say isn't really a bug, should I 'report' it anyway, or put it on brainstorm and hope it'll get noticed for the first time ever?
[08:49] <denis-k> The buttons would look better with a small border around them..but I guess nobody wants to argue against me...
[08:49]  * denis-k hears the echos
[08:51] <infecto> hello
[08:51] <infecto> modprobe nvidia
[08:51] <infecto> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-16-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device
[08:51] <infecto> and no nvidia 195 driver in repo :(
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:54] <ZykoticK9> infecto, if you are running Lucid, "apt-cache policy nvidia-current" will show you it's 195
[08:57] <infecto> so
[08:57] <infecto> rc  nvidia-glx-195                       195.36.03-0ubuntu1~karmic~nvidiavdpauppa2            NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
[08:57] <infecto> why its rc?
[08:59] <Ian_Corne> because it is rc :p
[08:59] <ricotz> infecto, nvidia-vdpau package doesnt blacklist nouveau module so noveau allready taken your card
[08:59] <infecto> ok ok :)
[08:59] <infecto> how can i get my screen working back? :)
[09:01] <infecto> hmm, somethings going on
[09:01] <ricotz> just add "blacklist nouveau" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and update your initramfs
[09:07] <denis-k> I knew nobody would care :)
[09:18] <Uresu> Hi all, I run plymouth-set-default-theme [theme] and it doesn't update, even if I add --rebuild-initrd ..... any ideas?
[09:18] <ohdearpleasehelp> I tried following a guide to get USB working with VirtualBox and to do so I had to edit fstab. I did that and now my computer doesnt boot. I popped in a live cd hoping to revert the changed but the only live cd I have doesn't support ext4 which of course I used on my hard drive install. Boot halts on can't mount fstab entry. Any ideas? I cant download a new live cd because my laptop only has one drive and 1 gig of ram.
[09:19] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, are you using VBox from the repo for from Oracles' site?
[09:19] <Uresu> ohdearpleasehelp: USB just works with VirtualBOX NOW
[09:19] <Uresu> You dont need to do that anymore
[09:19] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: I downloaded it from Sun's site, VB-ose
[09:20] <Uresu> ohdearpleasehelp: Do you have a USB memory stick?
[09:20] <ohdearpleasehelp> Uresu: That's what I had gathered but it didn't just work for me, I got an error when I tried to enter the VM settings page. "USB Proxy could not be started".
[09:20] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, OSE doesn't support USB!  but OSE is the ubuntu repo version.  The one from Sun is called PUEL or something like that.  So you got it from Sun right?
[09:21] <ohdearpleasehelp> Uresu: Yea a 512MB usb stick, it's too small and my laptop doesn't support booting from USB, it's too old.
[09:21] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, are you using Lucid as the Host OS, or are you trying to run it as a Guest?
[09:21] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Then I shouldn't have added the ose part, I got the non-free version from sun's site.
[09:21] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, is Lucid the Host OS?
[09:22] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Lucid is the host and I was trying to run WindowsXP in a VM for iPhone/iTunes support.
[09:22] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, in a terminal type "groups" is your user in the "vboxusers" group?
[09:23] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, OK - Lucid's VBox USB support is kinda broken right now -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox-usb-support-with-lucid to get it going
[09:23] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Yes it is, I tried adding it from the System-> Admin-> Users and groups page but it errored so I did it using a terminal which worked.
[09:25] <ohdearpleasehelp> IS there a grub boot time option that might disable fstab so I can get in, revert the file and do it properly?
[09:26] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, i don't think you can disable fstab no, that determines everything that gets mounted including root.  Can you boot your system now?
[09:26] <ohdearpleasehelp> I normally leave myself a way back into a broken system but I made the switch to ext4 and didn't think to have a live cd that supports it. I always download the alt install iso because I don't typically need the live enviroment.
[09:27] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Nope. I using an old live disc at the moment.
[09:27] <ohdearpleasehelp> maybe I have enough ram to download a package that will enable ext4 support.
[09:28] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, you need to have a working system before you start worrying about VBox or any libs at all.
[09:29] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: I need ext4 support to I can re-edit fstab, remove the bad line and boot into a "normal" lucid system.
[09:29] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, holding SHIFT at boot to get the grub menu, can you start using the "recovery or something" option?
[09:33] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: I'll give it a shot.
[09:33] <TeTeT> anyone else seeing evolution-data-server take unusual amounts of CPU?
[09:51] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Well I made it, recovery didn't work but I did remember that I downloaded Backtrack4 to a disk. It worked. phew!
[09:51] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, nice - so are you back into regular Lucid now?
[09:52] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: yep, I'm going to the link you posted in chat to get usb support working. fstab was the only thing I had attempted in my misguided attempt. I don't have to fix anything else, it's like it never happened.
[09:54] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, FYI i'm guessing you'll have to run the "sudo hald --daemon=no" after every reboot before start VBox to get USB
[09:56] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Thanks for the help. It's working.
[09:56] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, nice!
[09:59] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: New problem that I was going to ask for help with before I rebooted and caused trouble.... Firefox doesn't store my favorites sometimes. I've googled the problem but all of the results I find are years old. Save to folder seems to work 90% but bookmark single page works only on some sites and never on others. It varies every new instance too.
[10:00] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, sorry man, haven't heard anything about that -- personally i've switched to chromium for pretty much everything these days
[10:01] <ohdearpleasehelp> bummer.... I'll keep googling.
[10:03] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: May I ask why you moved away from Firefox? Performance, features, support, plug-ins?
[10:03] <indus> ohdearpleasehelp, seems like a permissions issue
[10:05] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, when ChromeOS was released and I saw that Google was going to try building and OS in a browser I decided to give it a second try.  First time I thought it was terrible.  Now I love it, haven't had a browser work so well or reliably in Linux ever.
[10:05] <ohdearpleasehelp> indus: Any ideas on how to fix it? I don't understand how it works sometimes and others not. Tab A bookmarks Tab B doesn't, same instance.
[10:05] <indus> no idea really
[10:06] <indus> have to look into history of system, setup installation etc
[10:06] <ohdearpleasehelp> ZykoticK9: Ok cool. I tried it when it was new and my favorite feature was that each tab is it's own process so if it crashes you don't lose the others. Brilliant!
[10:07] <ZykoticK9> ohdearpleasehelp, the "sandboxing" in Chrome makes it one of, if not the, safest browser out there
[10:08] <indus> sandboxing will come to ff soon
[10:11] <indus> HELLO ?
[10:11] <indus> did i disconnect
[10:11] <ZykoticK9> indus, no
[10:11] <rsk> no
[10:11] <indus> ah wrong chennel
[10:11] <indus> :D
[10:12] <indus> was wondering why #ubuntu is so static
[10:21] <dahaic> hi guys, some of you probably use lucid already. is it possible to not see list of users in the login screen? I would like to have just simple behavior of -9.04. Just simple "it is/will be possible" is what I need to know :)
[10:22] <dahaic> oh, forgot to add - in xubuntu
[10:22] <ZykoticK9> dahaic, does xubuntu use GDM?
[10:22] <dahaic> ZykoticK9: yeah :) at least now :)
[10:23] <dahaic> I was sent here from #xubuntu..
[10:23] <ZykoticK9> dahaic, i'm just guessing this will probably apply to Lucid as well http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-remove-hide-users-list-at-login-screen-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html - i'm booting a VM to test
[10:24] <dahaic> ah, I'll try this :)
[10:26] <ZykoticK9> dahaic, ya - it's a little different from 9.04 days, but it doesn't show the user list
[10:34] <dahaic> ZykoticK9: thank you :) even tho I liked old one more [no need for clicking on "log in", and possibility to use tab to do username->password switch] :)
[10:35] <ZykoticK9> dahaic, i must agree, i liked the old one better too
[11:39] <red> anyone noticed a "double login" bug in lucid?
[11:40] <red> you restart the pc and using automatic login get into desktop
[11:40] <red> then 5-15seconds later you suddenly automaticly logout and are thrown into the login screen
[11:41] <zniavre> red whuen you type on enter key ?
[11:41] <zniavre> when*
[11:41] <p4b> geforce2 mx isnt working in lucid, is this fixable?
[11:42] <red> zniavre: when I hit enter?
[11:42] <red> might be
[11:42] <red> i always get to open console and start typing and then boom
[11:42] <p4b> only i see the gdm but cannot login
[11:51] <yofel> *sigh*
[11:52] <yofel> even though expected, dpkg sure has gotten slow with those added fsyncs
[11:52] <zonanet_> who is install alpha version?
[11:53] <yofel> zonanet_: huh? you mean, who here is using it?
[11:54] <zonanet_> yofel : just for testing
[11:54] <zonanet_> sometimes try something before use it
[12:20] <DSpair> Good morning all. Anyone here know why Sun's Java is not in the repos for Lucid? Will it be before release?
[12:20] <xsacha> does anyone have a solution to current radeon driver issue in lucid?
[12:21] <xsacha> i cant use lucid because my videocard runs at 100% load while idling in lucid :( there are no catalyst drivers i know of that work with lucid either.
[12:21] <DSpair> xsacha: Which issue is that
[12:21] <DSpair> ?
[12:21] <xsacha> radeon 4570
[12:21] <DSpair> Not sure, I don't have that issue. But I also can't run Compiz because it inverts my screen.
[12:22] <yofel> DSpair: sun java6 is in the canonical partner repos
[12:22] <xsacha> i have no problem running compiz. but with compiz or without, my gpu is at 100% load and my fan clicks on full blast and i have a very hot, very noisy laptop
[12:23] <xsacha> i wouldnt mind if it happened while i played a game.. it is just all the time though.
[12:23] <xsacha> im sure i can just use 10.3 catalyst drivers (when they come out). sad that opensource drivers arent working for me though
[12:24] <DSpair> xsacha: I don't have that problem with Radeon HD 3200.
[12:24] <DSpair> yofel: Thanks!
[12:24] <xsacha> maybe it's a radeon mobility problem
[12:27] <DSpair> Does anyone have an idea why Compiz would flip my screen upside-down?
[12:27] <DSpair> It's not like it's rotated, but literally flipped inverted top-to-bottom.
[12:27] <JoshuaL> i had troubles with my drivers for ati when i upgraded, had to reinstall karmic :(
[12:27] <JoshuaL> after logging in all i got was a black screen
[12:28] <JoshuaL> even ctrl+alt+f1 didnt work
[12:31] <DSpair> JoshuaL: Hrrmmm . . .
[12:31] <DSpair> yofel: That worked perfectly. Thanks much!
[12:32] <JoshuaL> DSpair, indeed hrrrmm
[12:42] <kavurt> After yesterday's updates my Kubuntu turned into Ubuntu. Anybody else experienced the same thing?
[12:42] <xsacha> lol
[12:42] <rsk> awesome
[12:42] <JoshuaL> lol
[12:42] <xsacha> did you already have ubuntu downloaded? cause you would have noticed the huge update right?
[12:43] <kavurt> it was 90 MB updates, I didn't have ubuntu before
[12:44] <kavurt> it looks like ubuntu now but i have all kubuntu programs
[12:44] <xsacha> maybe that was the update then
[12:45] <xsacha> consistency in the UI
[13:06] <fabio333> is it possible to get plymouth+kms working on ati?
[13:12] <Starcraftmazter> hello, just curious, what sort of speeds should the repos be capable off? I always seem to be downloading at around 20-40kb/s and sometimes peaking at around 100kb/s, but my connection is much faster
[13:14] <jastor> Starcraftmazter: tried changing country for the repos?
[13:14] <jastor> Starcraftmazter: i get anywhere between 200KB - 3MB/s from the swedish ones
[13:14] <Starcraftmazter> jastor: yeh, I used to use the australian servers, however they are always horrendously out of date
[13:14] <Starcraftmazter> thing is, i can download from other US servers fine at over 1 mb/s
[13:15] <Starcraftmazter> im just wondering where the fault would lie :/ it doesnt make a lot of sense to me
[13:15] <jastor> well i have a hunch
[13:15] <jastor> i know a few people in australia
[13:15] <jastor> they all complain on the connectionspeed :P
[13:16] <Pici> Starcraftmazter: 1) us.archive.ubuntu.com is in the UK. 2) Check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors for update time and bandwidth
[13:16] <jastor> heh .. one guy lives on a halfisland ;) that the inhabitants just updated from isdn ;)
[13:16] <Starcraftmazter> jacob: please entertain me with your theories :)
[13:16] <p4b> q
[13:17] <Starcraftmazter> Pici: are those "behind times" always the same, or do they change from time to time?
[13:17] <Pici> Starcraftmazter: I'm not sure :/
[13:17] <Starcraftmazter> either way, thanks for that
[13:18] <Starcraftmazter> but also, does anyone here download from the main repos? what sort of speed do you get?
[13:19] <Pici> It depends on how busy they are. Anywhere between 50kb/s and 750kb/s
[13:19] <Starcraftmazter> u appear to be using archive.ubuntu.com
[13:19] <Starcraftmazter> i*
[13:19] <Starcraftmazter> Pici: can you check right now by any chance? :D
[13:21] <Pici> Starcraftmazter: 700kb/s for us.archive.ubuntu.com.
[13:23] <Starcraftmazter> wow
[13:23] <Starcraftmazter> something is not right
[13:23] <Starcraftmazter> im getting 75kb/s
[13:23] <Starcraftmazter> :/
[13:24] <Starcraftmazter> urgh my connection is going to the UK server
[13:24] <Starcraftmazter> fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[13:33] <vish> anyone having problem with indicator applet not loading?
[13:34] <vish> every time i login it fails and asks for deletion and if i try to add it again it keeps failing
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: now that you mention it, my audio indicator is gone
[13:35] <vish> :(  baahh
[13:36] <Starcraftmazter> hmmm mine seems to be here, when did you problem start?
[13:36] <vish> just now..
[13:36] <vish> i restarted session and its acting funny
[13:37] <Ranakah> hi
[13:37] <Ranakah> anybody know, how stabble is ubuntu 10.04? it's safe to upgrade it from 9.10?
[13:38] <yofel> Ranakah: depends on your definition of stable. Safe: NO (unless you like adventures)
[13:38] <yofel> Ranakah: you should probably wait for the beta if you want to upgrade
[13:38] <fabio333> Ranakah: working fine for me
[13:38] <yofel> Ranakah: only upgrade now if you have backups and you want to help with upgrade testing
[13:38] <fabio333> kms is broken
[13:39] <Ranakah> my system is amd athlon 2400MHz, 1GB Ram, radeon 1950 pro
[13:39] <fabio333> on my old ati card
[13:39] <fabio333> Ranakah: you can run into kms troblue, if that the case, use radeon.modeset=0,
[13:40] <Ranakah> fabio333 where i set this? and what is kms trouble?
[13:40] <Ranakah> o.O
[13:40] <Ranakah> :>
[13:40] <fabio333> kms is kernel mode setting used by plymouth, it's default on 2.6.32
[13:41] <fabio333> maybe it will work on your x1650
[13:41] <Ranakah> hm
[13:41] <Ranakah> now i use
[13:41] <Ranakah> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.32-02063209-generic | AMD XP Mobile   2387.000 MHz | Mem: 722/1026M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1543G Free: 248G | Bogomips: 4777.56 | Graphic Card: | Screen Res: 1280x1024 | Procs: 188 |   | Up: 1 day,  2:44 | eth0: In: 631.55M Out: 1.89G
[13:41] <Ranakah> on my 9.10 and work fine
[13:42] <fabio333> Ranakah: wait
[13:43] <DSpair> fabio333: The radeon.modeset, that's a kernel parameter, right?
[13:43] <fabio333>  Ranakah: dmesg | grep drm
[13:43] <fabio333> DSpair: yes
[13:44] <Ranakah> fabio333
[13:44] <Ranakah> http://pastebin.com/haVsdDmX
[13:44] <fabio333> [drm] radeon defaulting to userspace modesetting.
[13:44] <DSpair> fabio333: OK, perhaps I'll try that to see if it will resolve my Compiz issues.
[13:44] <fabio333> so you are not useing kernel modesetting
[13:45] <fabio333> plymouth on 10.04 requires  kernel modesetting
[13:45] <Ranakah> fabio333
 Ranakah: you can run into kms troblue, if that the case, use radeon.modeset=0,
[13:45] <fabio333> try it on your card
[13:45] <DSpair> Currently, my EDID is throwing errors detecting my monitor via DRM.
[13:45] <Ranakah> where i set this?
[13:45] <Ranakah> or how i set this
[13:45] <Ranakah> ?
[13:45] <fabio333> it's long story, you can try it in the kernel line
[13:50] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: ha , i think i found whats causing the bug.. do you use humanity or humanity-dark as your icon theme?
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: no idea :\
[13:50] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: you use new wave theme , right?
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> human mono dark
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> no, using ambience, I think
[13:51] <vish> ah , ok , nevermind ;)
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> icons are human mono dark
[13:52] <fabio333> no offense; icons on ubuntu suck
[13:52] <vish> brb
[13:57] <Blueguy> !printscreen
[13:58] <Blueguy> rats - wonder why they disabled print screen
[13:59] <Blueguy> nice test page times out - I guess we;re done!
[14:05] <Blueguy> cannot connect to crash database - love it
[14:30] <infecto>   [  142.875965] NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 195.36.08, but
[14:30] <infecto> [  142.875967] NVRM: this kernel module has the version 195.36.03.  Please
[14:30] <infecto> hmm
[14:30] <infecto> any idea?
[14:31] <allquixotic> infecto, sounds like the Nvidia kernel module in use is a different version from the userspace libraries in use.
[14:32] <infecto> yep, i can read :) but whats the solution
[14:32] <allquixotic> infecto, install the nvidia binaries fresh
[14:32] <aboSamoor> I can not write on ext4 partition, I think there is a problem with the mounting. The partition belongs to root group instead of plugdev ?!
[14:33] <infecto> allquixotic: whats the name of package?
[14:33] <allquixotic> infecto, it's not an Ubuntu package. it's a download from the Nvidia website.
[14:34] <infecto> a ok
[14:34] <yofel> infecto: wait
[14:34] <allquixotic> what'd be more interesting would be to determine how you got a mismatch in the first place
[14:34] <yofel> infecto: install nvidia-current
[14:35] <infecto> yofel: thats what i did
[14:35] <yofel> allquixotic: and we DO have the nvidia drivers in the repository
[14:35] <infecto> yofel: and thats what happend
[14:35] <allquixotic> yofel, true enough, but he might be pulling from a mirror that's out of sync or something; or maybe the actual state of the packages really is that the kernel has a 195.36.03 driver while the userspace has been upgraded to 195.36.08
[14:36] <yofel> indeed
[14:36] <yofel> maybe dkms messed up
[14:37] <infecto> yofel: we will se, i clear apt cache and try again
[14:37] <yofel> infecto: did you have a crash after you install/updated the driver
[14:37] <infecto> yofel: no
[14:37] <yofel> hm...
[14:37] <infecto> yofel: but wait, maybe yes
[14:38] <infecto> but i cant remember in whcich version
[14:38] <infecto> there wass a loot of things in the middle
[14:38] <infecto> so cant say for 100%
[14:38] <infecto> we will se now
[14:38] <yofel> then it could be that the dkms build worked, but ext4 didn't sync the new module and restored the old one with the journal
[14:39] <infecto> no ;) please dont tell me thats cause of ext4 ;)
[14:39] <yofel> infecto: well, try to clean the cache, purge the driver and install it again
[14:39] <yofel> infecto: nope, ext4 just requires that you never crash your system ;)
[14:39] <infecto> a ok :)
[14:42] <infecto> yofel: works :)
[14:42] <yofel> good :)
[14:42] <infecto> thanks :)
[14:49] <dto> http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/
[14:49] <dto> ok did i uglify the title banner?
[14:49] <dto> i kinda like the nyc pic
[14:50] <dto> ooo i found a much better one
[14:51] <dto> ok try now. much better.
[15:04] <Andre_Gondim> all my apport try to report said my network is broken
[15:05] <Pici> Andre_Gondim: you mean that it says that the crash database is down?
[15:05] <Pici> https://launchpad.net/bugs/538097
[15:05] <Andre_Gondim> Pici, yeah
[15:11] <freeaks> hi there, it seems i cannot start kde session in latest lucid lynx
[15:11] <freeaks>  i get kdm i enter my password kde star to open session, i get black screen and then i'm back at kdm again
[15:31] <hyperstream> nighty night :P
[15:33] <Dr_Willis> I dont suppose anyone has a system with the netbook interface and the normal gnome desktop? I noticed that GDM lets me pick one or the other.. but the netbook interface still launches the PANELS and a few other things it shouldent be doing.
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> Just wanting to confirm that others have the same issue
[15:41] <genii> Dr_Willis: I've noticed it does that as well (installed it on my gf's Eeepc 1005HA )
[15:43] <Dr_Willis> yea. Sort of a letdown. :)
[15:43] <Dr_Willis> I made a 'netbook' user. to test with new default settings and it still does it.
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> Biggest issue i seem to have these days is trying too many desktops and they interfear with each other in quirky ways
[15:45] <Dr_Willis> Every time i get ready to go file a bug.. i figure i better update/upgrade and make sure its still a bug.. but then i get to busy and never follow through on the bug. :)
[15:48] <minimec> Hi. I have some problems with the volume slider of my Logitech USB Z-10 speakers. I have the 100% position at about 2/3 of the horizontal volume slider on the Sound preferences menu. HAs something kike that been posted as a bug?
[16:06] <Drakeson> what is the current way of burning CD/DVDs ?
[16:06] <soee> anyone have the same: every few minutes ic got huge lag wheni cant load any page :/ on windows @ the same time theres no any problem
[16:07] <Drakeson> brasero or nautilus-cd-burner ?
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> Drakeson:  i thought those 2 weere the same,
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use k3b - because i like k3b
[16:33] <BlueSTARS> Hello. I'm having a strange problem: every time I put my computer to sleep WHILE I'm logged on, it refuses to resume properly.
[16:34] <BlueSTARS> Instead of resuming, it brings up a series of color bands (kinda trippy, actually) and they keyboard doesn't respond.
[16:34] <BlueSTARS> If I log out and suspend from GDM, it works just fine, but that's rather inconvenient.
[16:35] <BlueSTARS> I'm using Xubuntu 10.04 A3, and I _think_ I have the proprietary nVidia drivers. The package is installed, but I'm don't know how to verify if it's configured.
[16:35] <BlueSTARS> any ideas?
[16:35] <yofel> BlueSTARS: does running 'lsmod | grep nvidia' in a terminal return something?
[16:35] <BlueSTARS> yes.
[16:36] <yofel> then you're using the proprietare nvidia drivers
[16:36] <yofel> and seems like they don't like suspend again -.-
[16:36] <BlueSTARS> is there anything I can do about it?
[16:36] <minimec> BlueSTARS: You should have some graphical interface in the System-administration-menu.
[16:39] <BlueSTARS> minimec, alright. what do i do there?
[16:41] <minimec> BlueSTARS: Hmm... Nvidia and suspend... I guesss, the 'gdm procedure' is the best you can get...
[16:42] <minimec> BlueSTARS: The closed source drivers alays sucked with suspend with my cards (ati + nvidia). With the open source ati driver, that has changed now.
[16:43] <BlueSTARS> I'm reading an OpenSUSE tutorial on how to get suspend working with nVidia. It suggests that i should NOT have any vendor_agp mdules loaded
[16:43] <BlueSTARS> eswanson@eswanson-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep agp
[16:43] <BlueSTARS> intel_agp              29165  0
[16:43] <BlueSTARS> is that a problem?
[16:45] <yofel> BlueSTARS: no idea, but if you want to test it, try to add it to the blacklist list in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[16:45] <YaManicKill> meh...gwibber still not working. it starts up now, but still not refreshing
[16:45] <yofel> BlueSTARS: it won't be started when you boot your system next time
[16:45] <BlueSTARS> thanks yofel
[16:45] <BlueSTARS> i'll test that
[16:51] <SEJeff> I'd love to upgrade to Lucid on my main desktop, but am afraid of busting encryptfs
[16:52] <SEJeff> Are there any gotchas or should everything (in theory) magically work in an upgrade from Karmic to Lucid with encrypted home directories?
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> Magically :)    i suggest making backups
[16:56] <BlueSTARS> is there an easy way to switch between Nouveau and nVidia's proprietary driver without a reboot?
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> BlueSTARS:  change the configs to use other driver. and then restart X perhaps?
[16:57] <bjsnider> cannot be done without a restart
[16:58] <SEJeff> bjsnider, why not? You can't just rmmod / modprobe between them?
[16:59] <SEJeff> Dr_Willis, Ok thanks
[16:59] <MikeChelen> don't proprietary drivers alter the kernel?
[17:00] <SEJeff> proprietary drivers taint the kernel. They don't alter it per-se
[17:00] <minimec> Dr_Willis: As Nouveau uses 'kms' you will always have to reboot to load the kms modules ...
[17:00] <SEJeff> At least not if they aren't malicious
[17:00] <SEJeff> Hmmm good point
[17:11] <ohdearpleasehelp> I've noticed the past few days that I have to press delete on the keyboard twice to send a file or folder to the trash. Is this on purpose? Google was of no help, yet.
[17:14] <tgpraveen12> ohdearpleasehelp: thats happened to me a few times too
[17:14] <tgpraveen12> though not always
[17:14] <tgpraveen12> i just thought it was my keyboard
[17:15] <ohdearpleasehelp> tgpraveen12: That's how it presents to me also, it doesn't happen every time. I thought it was me not pressing the button fully but it keeps happening.
[17:17] <tgpraveen12> ohdearpleasehelp: please file a bug and give me the link too. i am now sure it is a bug
[17:18] <ohdearpleasehelp> tgpraveen12: In the process now, I have one to file for Firefox too. Favorites appear to be saved but in reality are not.
[17:19] <ohdearpleasehelp> Ok I feel like an idiot, I'm at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ but don't see a link to file a new bug.
[17:21] <tgpraveen12> ohdearpleasehelp: right side
[17:21] <tgpraveen12> righthandside
[17:22] <ohdearpleasehelp> I'm at a loss http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/241/screenshotxl.png
[17:24] <tgpraveen12> ohdearpleasehelp: launchpad.net/ubuntu
[17:24] <tgpraveen12> then click on bugs
[17:24] <tgpraveen12> or on that page where u e\are i think ubuntu as the package should work
[17:24] <ohdearpleasehelp> tgpraveen12: Ah beautiful, thanks.
[17:26] <ohdearpleasehelp> tgpraveen12: Ok now that that's solved (I was getting seriously concerned, I normally browse the net with ease) what package should I assign the bug to? What handles key events?
[17:29] <ohdearpleasehelp> Lol now launchpad keeps timing out for me, (Error ID:         OOPS-1532N2050). How can you file a bug in about launchpad? lol j/k
[17:29] <ohdearpleasehelp> whoa, neat. Didn't know ubottu could do that.
[17:32] <yofel> ohdearpleasehelp: bug filing seems utterly broken today, even apport keeps complaining about 'cannot connect to crash database' (bug 538087)
[17:33] <yofel> er... bug 538097
[17:33] <ohdearpleasehelp> yofel: Ah the irony.
[17:33] <yofel> indeed
[17:35] <tgpraveen12> ohdearpleasehelp: maybe its xinput not sure
[17:35] <tgpraveen12> ohdearpleasehelp: tell me one thing do u have the problem of if u keep a key pressed down
[17:35] <tgpraveen12> then the action occurs only once like
[17:35] <tgpraveen12> if u press the up key pressed the scroll occurs only once
[17:35] <tgpraveen12> this has started for me from last few days
[17:35] <tgpraveen12> really one of the MOST annoying bugs
[17:36] <acicula> enter stopped working?
[17:37] <ohdearpleasehelp> tgpraveen12: If so I hadn't noticed. Ill try to pay closer attention to what triggers it.
[17:38] <ohdearpleasehelp> Lovely, I just spent five minutes giving a detailed bug report after finally getting through and when I went to submit it, it failed. Everything is gone, oh well.
[17:55] <o_portista17> i've just installed "alsa" on my ubuntu, but now, i have no sound...what could it be? i was using "oss"
[17:55] <d4g0n> o_portista17: did you check your levels, maybe it's all muted?
[17:56] <o_portista17> i can't be sure of that, because i can't open the sound controler
[17:56] <o_portista17> but i think it's not muted
[17:56] <kklimonda> o_portista17: how could you have used oss in ubuntu?
[17:57] <o_portista17> because of team speak
[17:57] <o_portista17> with alsa, i have no microphone
[17:57] <o_portista17> don't know why, but doesn't work
[17:57] <kklimonda> even new 3.0 beta release?
[17:58] <o_portista17> don't know, i've just installed alsa, and now i have no sound at all
[17:59] <o_portista17> and now, if i try to open the volume controler, it says: "waiting for sound system to respond" <- translated from portuguese
[18:01] <kklimonda> o_portista17: you have to have pulseaudio running
[18:01] <o_portista17> but to use alsa, do i need pulseaudio?
[18:11] <vanishing> how is sleep/hibernate working for everyone?
[18:15] <yofel> vanishing: sleep works fine on my eeepc with an intel gpu, but is broken on my nvidia desktop. didn't test hibernate
[18:16] <vanishing> yofel: hi again...
[18:16] <vanishing> yofel: hm..none of them works on my thinpad
[18:16] <vanishing> thinkpad*
[18:17] <vanishing> yofel: sleep or hibernate: tries to sleep or hibernate, but in the end turns to be like "lock screen"
[18:17] <yofel> o.O
[18:17] <yofel> and if you run 'pm-suspend' in a terminal?
[18:17] <yofel> sudo pm-suspend
[18:18] <vanishing> yofel: let me try
[18:18] <vanishing> yofel: well..the network disconnect, and not even locking screen
[18:18] <vanishing> yofel: lol
[18:25] <chintal> hi, logging into kde immediately kicks me out back into kdm. could anyone tell me why this may be happening?
[18:26] <chintal> it happened after an update, so i'm guessing that may have something to do with it
[18:31] <vanishing> yofel: well..with pm-suspend only network gets disconnected, not even "screen lock"..
[18:32] <yofel> hm, odd
[18:33] <vanishing> yofel: maybe i need "--debug"..lol
[18:34] <chintal> kdm.log says something about not being able to connect to ibus-daemon
[18:35] <vanishing> chintal: uninstall ibus
[18:35] <vanishing> chintal: its input method for other languages other than english..
[18:35] <mdlueck> Anyone else having issues connecting to a Samba server through recent daily builds via the GUI interface?
[18:36]  * chintal tries that
[18:36] <yofel> mdlueck: not in KDE
[18:36] <mdlueck> For me, it asks the first screen of questions, what should come next is a password prompt, never comes, I see processes hung in ps aux
[18:36] <mdlueck> yofel: Gnome for me
[18:37]  * chintal attempts a reboot
[18:39] <chintal> right, so that didnt help
[18:39] <chintal> got rid of the error, though
[18:40] <chintal> so i'm unable to log in to a fully updated lucid via kdm
[18:40] <chintal> it kicks me out immediately in both failsafe and kde
[18:40] <chintal> home has 2.4 gigs free, so its not that
[18:41] <chintal> could someone tell me how i can start debugging this? not having a browser makes it somewhat difficult ... and i cant find my way around lynx
[18:42] <vega> what's the default gnome theme name in karmic?
[18:43] <vega> sorry, i mean lucid
[18:43] <vega> trying to figure out  if this deep dark stuff really is default after upgrade from karmic..
[18:43] <yofel> ambience I think
[18:44] <vega> yea, that's what this seems to be atm..
[18:44] <yofel> vega: how do you like the... purpleness?
[18:45] <vega> even gnome-terminal switched background color after upgrade, used to have black on white, now it's white on black
[18:45] <vega> thought that was a user setting..
[18:45] <vega> hmm, where's purple? :)
[18:45] <vega> there's mostly black and dark brown here..
[18:47] <vega> lirc-modules-source seems broken
[18:48] <vega> http://pastebin.com/KGsWBnxa
[18:50] <chintal> if anyone is interested, installing gdm and using that let me login. now i'm going to reboot to make sure it wast a fluke and then start checking for bugs that explain this
[18:51] <Vigo> How is Alpha 3 going and can I install it side by side with 9.10 and maybe GnS?
[18:55] <astrojp> What version of Python is in 10.4? Is it version Python 2.6.4?
[18:56] <yofel> astrojp: yes
[18:56] <yofel> !info python lucid
[18:56] <Vigo> Pipe it
[18:56] <yofel> !info python lucid | astrojp
[18:56] <astrojp> thanks.
[18:58] <astrojp> !info ruby lucid | astrojp
[19:15] <Roblob> Hello is the menu on the left going to get fixed for the full release?
[19:16] <Roblob> where can I find a release manager to express my concerns
[19:16] <Roblob> ?
[19:16] <yofel> Roblob: which menu in which application?
[19:16] <arand> Menu, you mean buttons?
[19:16] <ZykoticK9> Roblob, it's not a matter of being broken, it was a design change.
[19:16] <Roblob> But there is uproar about it
[19:16] <bjsnider> mac buttons are on the left too
[19:17] <Roblob> Ubuntu isnt man
[19:17] <Roblob> mac*
[19:17] <ZykoticK9> Roblob, if you want to move them back see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[19:17] <Roblob> That is not my concern
[19:17] <Roblob> The concern is the default being left
[19:17] <Roblob> if you want to clone a mac then you change from right to left
[19:17] <arand> Roblob: There is uproar about everything, Canonical is a company, and sometimes it does as it pleases, that's one downside of ubuntu.
[19:17] <ZykoticK9> Roblob, if you have a forum account you can vote on this poll http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
[19:18] <vanishing> yofel: hey..remember i said my sleep doesnt work?
[19:18] <bjsnider> i'm sure hte default wil be buttons on the left
[19:18] <yofel> vanishing: yep
[19:18] <Pici> bjsnider: I really hope not.  We're going to be flooded with questions in #ubuntu about how to change it back when we release.
[19:18] <vanishing> yofel: well...echo mem > /sys/power/state         <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<this works
[19:18] <Roblob> in reality, its going to be on the left isnt it
[19:18] <Roblob> no matter what the community says
[19:18] <yofel> vanishing: o.O
[19:18] <ZykoticK9> Roblob, probably
[19:18] <Roblob> why
[19:19] <bjsnider> mac buttons are on the left for a reason, because the eyes naturally go to the top left first
[19:19] <ZykoticK9> Roblob, ubuntu is not a democracy...
[19:19] <Roblob> because they released it 1 hour before the freeze... i bet you all had a good laugh didnt you
[19:19] <vanishing> yofel: this command made my laptop sleep in 2 secs
[19:20] <arand> Roblob: Because a cople of designers choose so, and unless you design a better ubuntu those designers are the ones who makes the decisions.
[19:21] <bjsnider> it was n't a couple of designers
[19:21] <bjsnider> it was a lot more people than that
[19:21] <Roblob> so why do we have ubuntu members? if users cant tell the members stuff, and members dont pass it higher
[19:21] <Roblob> whats the point in a community
[19:22] <arand> Artwork always gets dumped kind-of by suprise. The big announcement now is kind of unusual.
[19:22] <arand> Yea, true, quite a lot of people were involved in the rebranding wheel.
[19:22] <Pici> I don't think that an LTS is the proper place to be making a usability change like this.
[19:23] <mdlueck> Anyone familiar with start_daemon use in starting program daemons? It has been working weird since 9.10 up through today's Lucid build
[19:23] <bjsnider> on the contrary, branding changes should happen in major releases
[19:24] <Roblob> I dont think ubuntu should clone mac when the majority of its users come from Windows
[19:24] <mdlueck> AMEN Roblob!
[19:25] <bjsnider> i would point out that osx's usability is universally considered much better than windows
[19:25] <Roblob> 90% of usability is habbit, but 90% of ubuntu users come from windows and are NOT technical in the slightest, they dont want to start customising things, they want a fast, free, os
[19:25] <Pici> bjsnider: Right, but I'm trying to make the distinction between an artwork change and an ergonomics change
[19:25] <Roblob> There are more things right with it on the right than left,
[19:26] <yofel> Roblob: well, it's not like ubuntu ever tried to be windows-like, ubuntu is ubuntu, not windows
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> any one know where gwibber keeps the settings files? I have tried sudo apt-get remove --purge gwibber
[19:26] <bjsnider> not everybody uses hte buttons. it's not a big deal
[19:26] <Roblob> i am using it on the left, and even I try click View in apps or Applications I end up closing my window! GREAT CHANGE! NOT!
[19:26] <maco> my window manager doesnt even have buttons :)
[19:27] <arand> Hmm, the problem with the new theme and the changes around it is that it seems to be somewht incomplete (break other themes, looks ugly if not all buttons present, unable to easily change back, etc.)
[19:27] <yofel> ubuntujenkins: the user config files are somewhere in your home folder, --purge will NOT delete those
[19:27] <maco> Roblob: yeah that sounds problematic
[19:27] <Roblob> the left side is too cluttered
[19:27] <red> < yofel> Roblob: well, it's not like ubuntu ever tried to be windows-like, ubuntu is ubuntu, not windows
[19:27] <maco> ubuntujenkins: somewhere in ~/.config i'd guess
[19:27] <red> it shouldn't try to be mac-like either
[19:27] <bjsnider> besies which if the mockups for the gnome 3 theme happen by september, everybody will be using that instead of the ubuntu themes
[19:28] <Roblob> red, 1000's of distros are on the right, less than 4 are on the left by default, doesnt that say something
[19:28] <red> the monochrome icons, purple colours and minmaxclose buttons etc, a guy i showed the new ubuntu thought it was mac os ripoff and he isn't the slightest technical
[19:28] <Roblob> Thats the problem, we might go back to the left in 10.10 (hopfully)
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> maco not in ~/.config
[19:28] <red> it's not just the min max and close :)
[19:28] <red> it's the whole theme
[19:29] <Roblob> even the wifi icons are cloaned
[19:29] <Roblob> and the speakers
[19:29] <maco> ubuntujenkins: oh. ~/.gwibber
[19:29] <bjsnider> i'd rather rip off osx than windows, if it has to come to that
[19:29] <yofel> hm, if the buttons are on the left: where did the app icon move to? right?
[19:29] <Pici> cloned? They look oringal to me.
[19:29] <Pici> yofel: There is none now I beleive.
[19:29] <mdlueck> Hey, at least ClearLooks is back in... that is slight progress...
[19:29] <Roblob> it looks wank, and I'm not going to 10.04 if the menu is still on the left
[19:29] <red> Pici: original?
[19:29] <red> Let me get you a picture sec :)
[19:29] <arand> Icons in the mockups are different from current icons afaik
[19:29] <maco> yofel: gone, i think
[19:29] <Pici> red:  that too ;)
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> maco I looked there doesn't exist any other thoughts?
[19:29] <yofel> oh, ok...
[19:29] <maco> ubuntujenkins: er... it exists for me
[19:30] <ZykoticK9> Roblob, this is Linux customization is possible -- you can move the buttons easily
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> maco mine goes .gvfs then .hplip no .gwibber
[19:31] <maco> ubuntujenkins: hmm looking at gwibber sourcecode, maybe current versions use gconf isntead
[19:31] <maco> *instead
[19:31] <Pici> ubuntujenkins: I think it may be under a .gnome folder I can't check at the moment though.
[19:31] <arand> ZykoticK9: "easily" is debatable (quick, but for all windows-origin beginners, incredibly unintuitive)
[19:31] <ZykoticK9> arand, good point
[19:31] <Roblob> ZykoticK9, then why not let those who want to clone mac change them
[19:32] <mdlueck> Anyone know about start_daemon and why it would work differently while the OS is booting up as opposed to while the OS is running?
[19:32] <Roblob> rarther than everyone
[19:32] <Roblob> what about those who use Windows at work and ubuntu at home
[19:32] <Roblob> its a load of crap and you know it is
[19:32] <red> Lucid icons: http://digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ubuntu_lighttheme.png Mac os: http://digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mac_screenshot1.png
[19:32] <red> @ Pici
[19:32] <red> you still think they look original?
[19:32] <Roblob> LOL
[19:32] <bjsnider> there is no such thing as originality
[19:32] <Roblob> looks like a 100% rip
[19:33] <arand> red: Those are not the icons actually used.
[19:33] <bjsnider> everybody is ripping everybody else off
[19:33] <arand> red: They are only in the mockup.
[19:33] <red> why did I see quite similar icons before I installed another icon pack?
[19:33] <Pici> arand: Mine look similar to that
[19:33] <Roblob> arand, that is how they will look in the final release!
[19:34] <Roblob> we are past the interface freeze
[19:34] <arand> Ok, hmm, maybe I'm wrong then..
[19:34] <Pici> You need to be using ubuntu-mono-dark or -light to see them.
[19:34] <Roblob> they dumped "light" in 1 hour before the freeze
[19:34] <red> I'm using: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Mashup+(MaXo+remix)?content=103490 (just extract to /home/username/.icons/ and then they appear at theme -> customize -> icons list)
[19:34] <Roblob> so no-one could complain
[19:34] <arand> But I distinctly reacall them being diff..
[19:35] <red> also using new wave theme with the new ambience menu styles :)
[19:35] <red> i dont like it cause it's a bit light for my eyes
[19:35] <bjsnider> or /usr/share/icons
[19:35] <red> bjsnider: yes there if you want them to be available for other users aswell
[19:36] <Roblob> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/
[19:36] <Roblob> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
[19:36] <bjsnider> other users including root
[19:37] <red> someone actually logs in as root? :)
[19:37] <bjsnider> run gksu nautilus
[19:37] <red> never needed to :)
[19:37] <bjsnider> it will use themes and icons only root has access to
[19:37] <red> and i'd imagine it would be nice to extinguish it being sudo mode from diff looks
[19:37] <red> but thats just personal opinion
[19:38] <ubuntu> is it just me or does kubuntu lucid alpha 3 live cd installer fail?
[19:38] <red> ubuntu: you could try the daily .iso
[19:38] <red> (and pray)
[19:39] <arand> I don't _like_ the new themes, and possibly it's a bed decision, but whatever, if the artwork team wants to stir things up it's their funeral.
[19:40] <Roblob> artwork team should have the team part removed
[19:40] <Roblob> they dont realise that team stands for "together everyone achieves more"
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Isn't choice grand!
[19:42] <yofel> ubuntu: the kubuntu installer had a lot of issues, I tried a daily disk today in a VM and it at least installed again (with a few error messages though that don't seem serious)
[19:42] <ZykoticK9> the "artwork team" should have a re-read of the ubuntu code of conduct, especially point one regarding "be considerate"
[19:43] <lucidfailsme> k thx...
[19:44] <red> hmm
[19:44] <red> on my LAN
[19:44] <yofel> lucidfailsme: do you know where you can get the daily images?
[19:44] <red> I can ssh from another pc to main pc (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[19:44] <red> but from main pc not to the other pc (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[19:44] <red> just says no route to host
[19:45] <red> i've even tried to set up the port to 23 and use my NAT to route stuff to the <IP_ADDRESS> pc for port 23 tcp
[19:45] <lenios> red, something is wront with your route table
[19:45] <lucidfailsme> yep yofel, i just hoped theres another way, wasted so much time on mey slow internet already ;)
[19:45] <lenios> wrong*, try netstat -nr
[19:45] <yofel> lucidfailsme: you could try zsync, there you can reuse part of the image (what can be reused)
[19:46] <red> ping goes thru np
[19:46] <vanishing> yofel: zsync is not for paranoid people like me i guess..
[19:46] <vanishing> yofel: lol
[19:46] <lucidfailsme> ill take a look at that, thx, is it usable in windows ?
[19:46] <red> ill reset router I guss
[19:46] <yofel> lucidfailsme: don't think so
[19:47] <lucidfailsme> oh well.
[19:47] <yofel> vanishing: why lol? that's a nice economic way to keep your daily images up to date
[19:47] <lucidfailsme> im just trying something else, maybe it works... forced some partial upgrades on this livesession right now.. installer is going farther now.. keeping fingers crossed
[19:48] <vanishing> yofel: ehh..just paranoid..lol
[19:48] <yofel> heh
[19:55] <skyjumper> anyone know how to do an xprop on a tooltip window?
[19:55] <kane77> hi, I just installed lucid and I love it, the interface is so sleek
[19:55] <skyjumper> i want to hide those irritating gnome-panel tooltips but the window class changed in lucid
[19:56] <yannick> hey guys how can i get kdelibs >= 4.4. ?
[19:56] <kane77> just one thing, the bash auto completion does not work and it drives me crazy.. I mean I'm used to sudo apti[tab] and typing first couple of names of packages name and it finish it for me, this does not work
[19:56] <sdhg> Is anyone else experiencing bad IO performance which freezes up the desktop at times?
[19:56] <sdhg> It's doin' my frickin 'ead in.
[19:57] <skyjumper> sdhg: known kernel bug... much worse on certain hardware :xprop _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE
[19:57] <skyjumper> er...
[19:57] <skyjumper> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309
[19:57] <sdhg> skyjumper: Copy and paste fail.
[19:57] <sdhg> skyjumper: I thought it might have been an ecryptfs problem.
[19:57] <skyjumper> that might contribute to it
[19:58] <sdhg> skyjumper: Do you think it'll be fixed any time soon?
[19:58] <skyjumper> sdhg: nobody really knows what causes it
[19:58] <skyjumper> there's a kernel patch at that url you can try
[19:58] <sdhg> skyjumper: I'm glad I'm not the only one with the problem. :)
[19:58] <skyjumper> there aren't enough of us, apparently
[19:59] <skyjumper> i built this machine 2 years ago and have had the problem the whole time
[19:59] <skyjumper> desktop basically freezes solid when burning a dvd or copying a large file
[19:59] <sdhg> skyjumper: Kernel patches scare me.
[19:59] <kane77> any idea how to get completion work again?
[19:59] <sdhg> skyjumper: Same. It even freezes when people send me messages with Pidgin or when running Bittorrent.
[20:00] <skyjumper> wow
[20:00] <blackxored> can someone provide a workaround for this? http://imagebin.ca/view/tB4erT.html I can't authorize delicious to post on twitter
[20:02] <sdhg> skyjumper: I noticed another victim is using an Intel P4, is that the problematic hardware?
[20:02] <skyjumper> sdhg: using an asus mobo with intel chipset here
[20:02] <skyjumper> really standard stuff
[20:03] <sdhg> skyjumper: The problem doesn't occur on my Asus PC.
[20:03] <skyjumper> not sure, but my drives might be on a jmicron SATA controller
[20:05] <blackxored> can someone provide a workaround for this? http://imagebin.ca/view/tB4erT.html I can't authorize delicious to post on twitter
[20:05] <skyjumper> blackxored: try another browser?
[20:06] <blackxored> skyjumper, it will be persistent if I then use firefox
[20:06] <blackxored> and even if that, how can I get the delicious addon for something else than firefox?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> kane77: uncomment it towards the bottom of /etc/bash.bashrc
[20:08] <blackxored> there is someway I could manually authorize it???
[20:08] <kane77> charlie-tca, thanks, that solved it! :)
[20:17] <Fausto> ubuntu-bug is not working for me (fails with the message `Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection.`), so what is the best way for me to report bugs in lucid?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Seems to be broken completely today for bug reporting
[20:21] <gnomefreak> is it apport or LP?
[20:23] <yofel> gnomefreak: theres a bug against apport, bug in #launchpad I get ignored when I ask about this
[20:23] <yofel> bug 538097
[20:23] <yofel> Fausto: ^
[20:23] <yofel> feel free to set the bug to affect you
[20:24] <kane77> where do I report usability annoyances? (not really a bug, but rather annoying  behavior). I mean IMHO you should be able to control the volume applet by mouse wheel..
[20:25] <gnomefreak> kane77: file wishlist bug on each one for the most part
[20:26] <ZykoticK9> kane77, don't know is you noticed, but if you click the volume to get the drop down and have the pointer over the volume - you can use the mouse wheel.  I agree you should just be able to do it with the panel icon.
[20:30] <kane77> ZykoticK9, I have noticed that now, but I am quite used to the old way
[20:30] <ZykoticK9> kane77, ya me too
[20:34] <skyjumper> ZykoticK9: if you use gnome-volume-control-applet you can mousewheel the icon
[20:35] <glphvgacs> hi, following this article _https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization_ I am stuck at sudo unsquashfs mnt/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[20:35] <ZykoticK9> kane77, see skyjumper's comment above
[20:36] <glphvgacs> is caper inivisable?
[20:36] <glphvgacs> *casper
[20:38] <rye> Anybody was able to run plymouth in graphic mode in kvm ?
[20:39] <yofel> rye: does kvm support KMS?
[20:40] <yofel> at least by default I just get the blue bar in kvm
[20:40] <rye> yofel, hm... good question
[20:41] <rye> yofel, btw, I was able to get plymouth to work with my proprietary nVidia drivers by asking grub to change the resolution, so I expect that KMS is important but not 100% prerequsite
[20:42] <yofel> rye: what did you set in grub
[20:44] <rye> yofel, set gfxmode=${GRUB_GFXMODE} and added set gfxpayload=${GRUB_GFXMODE} to 00_header in /etc/grub.d, defined GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub
[20:45] <yofel> will try later, my desktop is busy doing upgrade testing :P
[20:47] <vanishing> rye: yofel : plymouth works on intel and ati but not nvidia?
[20:48] <rye> vanishing, last time I checked it did not work with nouveau, by default
[20:48] <yofel> vanishing: with the proprietary driver it caused my boot to get stuck, had to chroot from a live disk and purge plymouth to get it to boot again
[20:49] <rye> it is possible to force it to work with proprietary nvidia driver by setting up framebuffer manually
[20:49] <rye> i believe this is what happens
[20:49] <vanishing> rye: yofel: oh...
[20:49] <guntbert> how do I enable bash_history in lucid to work/remember across sessions?
[20:49] <vanishing> im using open source drivers
[20:50] <yofel> gnomefreak: is that even possible? the last session you close should overwrite bash_history
[20:50] <yofel> gnomefreak: sry -.-
[20:50] <yofel> guntbert: ^^^
[20:51] <rye> guntbert, are permissions for your .bash_history ok?
[20:51] <vanishing> last time i checked, ati close source driver does not work in lucid, and thats about 2 months ago..
[20:53] <guntbert> yofel: maybe I wasn't clear - the behaviour I've known for years is: whenever I close a session the commands of that session are appended to .bash_history - so I can repeat the next time - but now in lucid I always start with nothing  -- idea with permissions is good - gonna check
[20:54] <yofel> guntbert: oh, you get nothing? that could be permissions
[20:54] <gnomefreak> mine works as expected (typing history:"
[20:56] <guntbert> yofel: it was ... owned by root - no idea why - thx for the hint - I could have seen that by myself too :-)
[21:05] <sdhg> skyjumper: I can't listen to my awesome music with this IO freezing. Is there not a working packaged kernel I can use instead?
[21:09] <kklimonda> heh, unpacking -dev packages take ages :/
[21:10] <sdhg> kklimonda: Maybe on your pathetic little PC.
[21:10] <kklimonda> sdhg: actually no - there has been a change to dpkg that fsync every file
[21:10] <sdhg> kklimonda: 10.04 has BAD IO performance. :(
[21:11] <kklimonda> !oops | sdhg
[21:11] <kklimonda> hmm..
[21:11] <kklimonda> !ups
[21:11] <kklimonda> seriously, I can never remember which one but don't use phrases like "your pathetic little PC" ;)
[21:11] <guntbert> sdhg: please stay polite and friendly
[21:12] <kklimonda> sdhg: I actually have no problems with IO performance other than this issue (which isn't really related to performace per se)
[21:12] <sdhg> kklimonda: Sorry, did I offend your inanimate object. :p
[21:12] <sdhg> kklimonda: skyjumper and I are experiencing our Ubuntus freezing up when there's a bit of IO.
[21:12] <kklimonda> but it's still unpacking :D
[21:13] <yofel> !ohmy | sdhg
[21:13] <kklimonda> yofel: :*
[21:13] <yofel> kklimonda: that one ;)
[21:13] <sdhg> yofel: I abused his PC, not him.
[21:13] <sdhg> yofel: So I didn't break the rules.
[21:14] <acicula> it still hardly qualifies as "polite interaction"
[21:15] <yofel> sdhg: lol
[21:16] <yofel> but yeah, dpkg sure has gotten slow, but better slow than unreliable
[21:17] <vanishing> how old is ubuntu now?
[21:17] <kklimonda> yofel: I'm not that sure - 4 minutes to extract 7k files?
[21:17] <kklimonda> yofel: it gets even more ridiculous when people extract packaged linux sources - I've heard it takes over 20 minutes ;)
[21:18] <yofel> kklimonda: ok, that's ridiculous indeed -.-
[21:18] <vanishing> kklimonda: 7k as in 7kb or 7000?
[21:18]  * yofel posts bug 537241 in this # too
[21:18] <kklimonda> vanishing: 7k files, 64MB in size or something around
[21:19] <vanishing> kklimonda: oh..
[21:19] <vanishing> yofel: how do you do that? im kinda a irc newb..
[21:19] <vanishing> lol
[21:19] <yofel> !me | vanishing
[21:19] <vanishing> yofel: ehh..thanks
[21:20] <kklimonda> vanishing: of course by 7k I meant 7,000 files and 64MB in total
[21:20] <yofel> vanishing: for bugs just mention the bug as 'bug 1'
[21:20] <kklimonda> :)
[21:21] <vanishing> yofel: haha ..gotta love bots
[21:22] <red> does anyone know if using NFS Network shares work over internet?
[21:22] <red> or just locally?
[21:22] <yofel> vanishing: it supports some other bug trackers like mozilla, freedesktop or debian too (I don't know the full list)
[21:22] <vanishing> yofel: lol:https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[21:23] <yofel> like, debian 567089
[21:23] <yofel> vanishing: I know :D
[21:23] <rye> ubottu, bug 535651
[21:23] <rye> good
[21:24] <vanishing> yofel: lol..Critical, In progress<<made my day
[21:24] <yofel> now if we could FILE bugs with apport again I would be happy -.-
[21:25] <vanishing> yofel: whats the difference between ubuntu-bug and apport?
[21:26] <yofel> vanishing: ubuntu-bug is the command and apport the application ;)
[21:26] <vanishing> yofel: ugh...i c..
[21:27] <yofel> more like: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2010-03-12 12:50 /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug -> apport-bug
[21:27] <vanishing> yofel: how is it not working..i posted a bug yesterday regarding the init error problem.
[21:27] <vanishing> lol
[21:27] <yofel> vanishing: it broke TODAY, bug 538097
[21:28] <vanishing> yofel: no wonder..
[21:28] <vanishing> yofel: like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1428022
[21:28] <vanishing> ignore the title...
[21:34] <daijoubu> "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" trying to install libdvdcss2 from medibuntu rep
[21:34] <daijoubu> is this normal?!
[21:35] <vanishing> daijoubu: happend to me too...so..i think so
[21:35] <yofel> should be
[21:35] <yofel> it refreshes the shared library cache so the libdvdcss2 lib can be found
[21:36] <yofel> or something like that
[21:36] <daijoubu> oh ok... thought that the install went wrong or something
[21:40] <richthegeek> just a short message: The update-manager -d message spams a lot of output errors along the lines of "console message: undefined @1: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: progress" around the time its trying to trigger menu event updates
[21:40] <mvo> richthegeek: thanks, that is a known (but harmless) problem
[21:43] <Duality> hey just installed 10.04
[21:43] <Duality> grub is fugged
[21:43] <Duality> error: Cant find symbol "grub_puts_"
[21:43] <Duality> how do I fix?
[21:44] <vanishing> dooglus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1397629
[21:44] <vanishing> opps
[21:44] <vanishing> Duality: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1397629
[21:44] <Duality> anyone?
[21:45] <vanishing> Duality: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1397629
[21:45] <Duality> thanks
[21:51] <m2cm2c> hi,anyone knows how to run a desktop launcher ".desktop" file from the terminal ?
[21:51] <ZykoticK9> !crosspost > m2cm2c
[21:52] <SEJeff> m2cm2c, Try gnome-open
[21:52] <SEJeff> or just look at the Exec line and run the command directly
[21:52] <m2cm2c> ZykoticK9, I'm asking in different channels, so please stay oof my back
[21:53] <ZykoticK9> SEJeff, i suggested that in #ubuntu - and was shot-down
[21:53] <m2cm2c> SEJeff, thanks
[21:53] <SEJeff> ZykoticK9, weird
[21:53] <SEJeff> m2cm2c, Don't cross post as it is considered rude. You're welcome
[21:53] <ZykoticK9> SEJeff, i didn't suggest the gnome-open part though
[21:54] <SEJeff> ZykoticK9, gnome-open is this clever little hack. It uses the gnome mime database and default application in gconf and then starts it up with whatever file you give it
[21:54] <m2cm2c> SEJeff, its not my fault someone is logged in two channels right ?
[21:55] <ZykoticK9> SEJeff, i've used it for file opening before, never for .desktop stuff - I don't typically use .desktop really
[21:55] <SEJeff> m2cm2c, No, but if you're asking the same question in more than 1 ubuntu channel you need to stop.
[21:55] <SEJeff> ZykoticK9, ditto
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bu noute
[21:56] <BUGabundo> what surprises those our beloved distro has in store for us tonight?
[21:57] <SEJeff> BUGabundo, http://bit.ly/51PhQW
[21:57] <BUGabundo> do you really expect me to click hidden links?
[21:57] <SEJeff> PONIES!
[21:57] <SEJeff> It is just a picture of ponies
[21:57] <BUGabundo> specially so much off topic?
[21:58] <SEJeff> yup
[21:58] <vanishing> BUGabundo: with linux..yes you can
[21:58] <vanishing> lol
[21:58] <red> Anyone familiar with settings the NFS server to start up at boot?
[21:58] <red> I can only find guides to automaticly mount stuff that nfs server is sharing on boot
[21:59] <BUGabundo> HUMMM the smell of Need to get 94.3MB of archives. After unpacking 102kB will be freed.
[21:59] <yofel> BUGabundo: hey, good day today, apport doesn't work at all for example (bug 538097)
[21:59] <ZykoticK9> red, if you installed nfs-kernel-server it should start at boot by default
[22:00] <red> ZykoticK9: well it's not
[22:00] <BUGabundo> lo
[22:00] <BUGabundo> usual
[22:00] <red> and I read that it's not supposed to either :O
[22:01] <red> I need to start it manually before it works
[22:01] <yofel> red: well, it starts, but unless you have something exported it does nothing
[22:01] <red> i have a folder that is exported automaticly
[22:01] <ZykoticK9> red, do you have /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server
[22:01] <red> it's a external hd tho
[22:01] <red> perhaps it fails if the external hd isn't mounted yet when it starts?
[22:01] <red> since I cannot add the external into fstab
[22:01] <red> so it mounts up when you shoot up nautilus
[22:01] <yofel> red: why can't you?
[22:02] <red> cause it's ntfs :)
[22:02] <yofel> red: no UUID?
[22:02] <yofel> red: so?
[22:02] <yofel> I have ntfs drives in my fstab
[22:02] <red> me too
[22:02] <red> but they aren't external (usb)
[22:02] <yofel> shouldn't matter if you use UUIDs
[22:02] <bjsnider> you two dual-boot with windows?
[22:02] <red> I spent about 3 hours trying to add it to fstab, theres some restriction about ntfs-3g, fstab and external hds
[22:03] <yofel> bjsnider: on my desktop yes
[22:03] <red> i don't dual boot but I need my external to work for windows uers too
[22:03] <bjsnider> ugh
[22:03] <yofel> bjsnider: yep -.-
[22:03] <red> yofel: following instructions and all, it boils down to failing to mount due not being root (when in fstab)
[22:03] <red> i mean
[22:03] <bjsnider> yofel, there's one thing you need windows for right? i don't know what it is, but it's just one thing isn't it?
[22:03] <red> reading it
[22:04] <red> and if I added the word 'users' into fstab, it would give me a big error popup and an explanation about that this cannot be done currently due something
[22:04] <red> can't recall what
[22:04] <red> further investigating showed it's a common problem and can't be done
[22:04] <yofel> bjsnider: gaming usually and photoshop, which I rarely use tough, usually I'm happy with linux
[22:05] <bjsnider> well photoshop runs well out of a vm, but i figured it was gaming
[22:05] <red> yofel: you should try virtualboxing windows 7 and adobe CS4, it works wonders
[22:05] <red> I only have 3GB of ram, and gave Windows 2GB to use, ubuntu uses about 700-900MB for me so theres a bit extra left just incase
[22:05] <red> it works quite smoothly
[22:05] <bjsnider> you don't have to give windows 2gb
[22:05] <red> i don't but adobe likes to have atleast 2GB
[22:06] <red> and when working on huge images with up and over 50 layers it hogs up memory
[22:06] <red> and not like ubuntu is gonna spike up on me when im image editing :)
[22:07] <bjsnider> if they'd base the code off .net it would run natively in linux using mono
[22:07] <red> if they just ported the native mac os version, which is the os it's designed for..
[22:07] <red> i cant imagine the port being too complicated since mac is unix based
[22:07] <red> they just don't want to I guess
[22:07] <bjsnider> but using .net it would run on all platforms using the same code
[22:08] <Smeuuh> has anyone else lost their mplayer?
[22:08] <yofel> Smeuuh: lost *when* and *how*, mine's still here
[22:08] <red> yeah, after a plain crash
[22:08] <Smeuuh> in the last upgrade
[22:08] <red> found deep in the jungle next to a hatch
[22:08] <duffydack> we should all just club together and buy bill gates, and make him conform to our ideals and just basically work for us...
[22:09] <red> duffydack: bill gates is a bastard :p
[22:09] <Smeuuh> somehow, it seems /usr/bin/mplayer has disappeared from the latest mplayer-nogui release
[22:09] <red> for example, he tried to tell Sun that they need to give a provision to M$ for each download of OpenOffice since it's their intellectual property :)
[22:09] <duffydack> red, as an employee tho... he might be ok when doing as he is told like a good little twat..
[22:10] <red> hehe
[22:10] <SEJeff> red, and jon handily told steve to shove off :)
[22:10] <red> intellectual property patents.. *spit*
[22:10] <bjsnider> steve who?
[22:10] <SEJeff> bjsnider, ballmer, the ceo of Microsoft
[22:10] <red> oh yeah it was steve jobs
[22:10] <duffydack> rick stallman and bill gates need to share a joint... end of...
[22:10] <red> trying to pull of similar stuff
[22:11] <bjsnider> oh, i only know ballmer as "monkey boy"
[22:11] <red> ok this discussion is too close to making me vomit, gonna go test samba instead of nfs if it worked better for my purposes :)
[22:11] <duffydack> bjsnider, was't he the one who described linux as a virus?
[22:11] <SEJeff> bjsnider, Here is what red is referring to: http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/
[22:12] <bjsnider> i'm sure he did
[22:12] <bjsnider> who cares
[22:12] <bjsnider> he's a moron
[22:13] <richthegeek> hey, I was posting under Duality a few minutes ago
[22:14] <richthegeek> im in the live cd trying to reinstall grub2
[22:14] <richthegeek> trying to chroot into my mount
[22:14] <richthegeek> getting an odd error
[22:14] <red> SEJeff: yeah thats the one :)
[22:14] <SEJeff> richthegeek, pastebin it and link us to it please
[22:14] <red> best part of that blog was the link  to looking glass
[22:14] <richthegeek> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': exec error
[22:14] <SEJeff> red, Yeah Jon is a great speaker
[22:14] <SEJeff> richthegeek, Easy to fix that, you've got the wrong livecd
[22:15] <duffydack> tbh, when Ive seen him speaking and such, he does just seem like a bald headed nodding yes man idiot.
[22:15] <yofel> richthegeek: your installation and live disk are the same architecture?
[22:15] <richthegeek> SEJeff: yes, and it's 9.10
[22:15] <SEJeff> richthegeek, That means you've got a 64bit os and a 32bit cd
[22:15] <SEJeff> what yofel asked
[22:15] <richthegeek> SEJeff: hmm dont remember burning a 32bit iso...
[22:15] <richthegeek> like, ever
[22:15] <richthegeek> can i burn a live cd from a live cd?
[22:16] <acicula> yes
[22:16] <SEJeff> richthegeek, Well check. Thats what the error is caused by
[22:16] <acicula> just gotta download an iso
[22:16] <richthegeek> got one in my home dir
[22:16] <richthegeek> amd64..
[22:16] <richthegeek> will the burner not require the LiveCD to run?
[22:16] <SEJeff> Thats the on-disk install, correct?
[22:17] <SEJeff> The os runs in memory
[22:17] <acicula> richthegeek: you need something to run a burn program
[22:17] <acicula> whatever you burn is irrelevant
[22:17] <richthegeek> a mounted HDD has an ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso file
[22:17] <acicula> so a livecd running a burner is just as fine as any installed os
[22:17] <richthegeek> yes, just checking it didnt try and get resources from the CD
[22:17] <richthegeek> owait never mind
[22:17] <richthegeek> found a 64bit live cd under my EHDD
[22:18] <robert__> the daily build is improved on the looks of it
[22:18] <richthegeek> \o/
[22:18] <richthegeek> laters
[22:18] <robert__> although i think the gray isn't an eye catcher
[22:18] <robert__> or charcoal or whatever the color is
[22:18] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, I'm running ubuntu lucid from one partition, and I want to run update-grub2 from my karmic install on another partition. I tried to chroot in the root of my karmic and run 'update-grub2' but I get: 'grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.' Any thoughts on how I can update grub using my karmic grub2 files (includes a background image) without rebooting?
[22:19] <robert__> i'm glad they got rid of the brown though :)
[22:19] <SEJeff> KnifeySpooney, Try something like: grub-config '(hd0)' or whatnot? That might work for you
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I like the new Lucid battery icon. but I do miss the collors of the old one :|
[22:23] <Smeuuh> right, I'm not mad, mplayer has disappeared
[22:23] <Smeuuh> anyone on amd64 with the latest updates?
[22:24] <ZykoticK9> Smeuuh, yes, but i'm using mplayer-nogui from nvidia-ppa and it's still there
[22:24] <Smeuuh> right, you're cheating then
[22:24] <Smeuuh> I don't have an nvidia card
[22:24] <Smeuuh> could you check if mplayer is in the official reps?
[22:25] <bjsnider> !info mplayer lucid
[22:25] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, in #ubuntu+1 !info assumes lucid i believe
[22:26] <bjsnider> probably, but i want to be clear
[22:26] <Smeuuh> right, the thing is it doesn't contain the binary mplayer anymore
[22:26] <Smeuuh> for some reason.
[22:26] <Smeuuh> gmplayer is still there, though
[22:26] <Smeuuh> I believe they broke it, it should be fixed soon enough
[22:27] <bjsnider> was it just updated?
[22:27] <rye> !info mplayer-nogui lucid
[22:27] <Smeuuh> bjsnider: yup
[22:27] <bjsnider> the guy responsible is siretart
[22:27] <bjsnider> he's in the #ubuntu-motu channel
[22:27] <rye> Smeuuh, mplayer-nogui ?
[22:27] <Smeuuh> rye: yeah, so for some reason my mplayer is at version 13 and mplayer-nogui is at version 14
[22:28] <Smeuuh> I've got both installed
[22:28] <Smeuuh> bjsnider: ok, I'm gonna bug him then
[22:28] <bjsnider> don't tell him i sent you
[22:28] <bjsnider> if asked, i will deny it
[22:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOLOLOLOL
[22:28]  * BUGabundo prints logs
[22:30] <KnifeySpooney> SEJeff: Oh i think that did it. Thanks.
[22:32] <vanishing> hmmm..plymouth update just now
[22:38] <AlanBell> bug 538292
[22:40] <longcat> How do I 'upgrade' to lucid?
[22:40] <longcat> oh look, the link in the topic says
[22:41] <vanishing> AlanBell: o...sht...................
[22:41] <vanishing> AlanBell: i supposed i dont want to reboot now..
[22:41] <AlanBell> vanishing: it would appear to be a sub-optimal upgrade
[22:42] <AlanBell> room for improvement with that one
[22:42] <BUGabundo> WOOTOTTTT
[22:42] <dutchie> lo AlanBell
[22:42] <BUGabundo> the nautilus keyb shortcut got reverted!! YAY
[22:42] <dutchie> fancy seeing you here ;)
[22:42] <AlanBell> hi dutchie
[22:43] <AlanBell> dutchie alerted me to that bug
[22:43] <AlanBell> I was about to do an update myself
[22:43] <dutchie> my netbook not booting alerted me to it :(
[22:43] <gnomefreak> would be nice for more info on that bug starting with maybe a version?
[22:43] <dutchie> I'll see what I can do
[22:43] <vanishing> AlanBell: i see.
[22:44] <dutchie> is it apport-collect to get bug data?
[22:44] <gnomefreak> dutchie: yes but not sure if apport is playing well
[22:44] <vanishing> better alert the folks on forum
[22:44] <gnomefreak> apport-collect bug #
[22:44] <gnomefreak> or is it just #
[22:45] <dutchie> apport-collect bug_number
[22:45] <dutchie> according to man page
[22:45] <BUGabundo> dutchie: apport BROKEN at the moment
[22:45] <gnomefreak> yeah
[22:45] <dutchie> oh, ok
[22:45] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: there are separeate parts to it IIRC
[22:45] <dutchie> what should I use instead? just add package versions in a comment?
[22:46]  * BUGabundo waves at friendly gnomefreak
[22:46] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:46] <gnomefreak> dutchie: one minute
[22:47] <gnomefreak> looked like apport-collect was going to run
[22:47] <AlanBell> fix released
[22:47] <yofel> thx crimsun
[22:47] <AlanBell> Scott James Remnant  wrote 51 seconds ago:  	  #2
[22:47] <AlanBell> You need the updated mountall as well
[22:47] <AlanBell> (an upload of plymouth to add Breaks is already in the queue - but couldn't be built at once due to build-depends issues)
[22:47] <gnomefreak> a few hours at best
[22:48] <gnomefreak> depending on how far it is along
[22:48] <jpds> crimsun: ^--.
[22:48] <crimsun> jpds: yeah, read in -devel as well
[22:48] <crimsun> however, people do tend to upgrade really quickly
[22:49] <crimsun> better to have it in the topic for a few hours
[22:49] <richthegeek> right, how do I get the window icons on the right hand side, and whose stupid bloody idea was it in the first place?
[22:49] <crimsun> your favourite search engine should reveal some blog posts on that, richthegeek :-)
[22:50] <gnomefreak> we were talking about that earlier
[22:51] <AlanBell> richthegeek: live with it for a few days, you might grow to like it. Alternatively use gconf-editor to mess with the value and position of the colon in /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[22:51] <richthegeek> AlanBell: no.. it's a pointless frakking change and it'll piss more people than me off
[22:51] <richthegeek> and by pointless I mean it introduces confusion for absolutely no benefit
[22:51] <bjsnider> mac users seem to be able to handle it
[22:52] <richthegeek> they also seem to be able to handle a stick up their ass
[22:52] <AlanBell> meh
[22:52] <yofel> !language | red
[22:52] <yofel> !language | richthegeek
[22:52] <yofel> red: sry, tab fail
[22:52] <richthegeek> seriously?
[22:52] <jpds> richthegeek: http://ubuntutrap.blogspot.com/2010/03/2-reasons-not-to-use-when-claiming.html
[22:52] <richthegeek> I could have used a d
[22:53] <richthegeek> that blog post would be valid if the change added something to the experience
[22:54] <bjsnider> it was discussed a long time and the decision was far from arbitrary
[22:54] <dutchie> hmm, I can't seem to resolve anything when chrooted into my lucid partition from a live USB
[22:54] <AlanBell> that is a good blog post
[22:54] <richthegeek> that blog post is saying "stop being butthurt"
[22:54] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: relax please
[22:54] <AlanBell> richthegeek: are you testing lucid?
[22:54] <richthegeek> yes
[22:55] <AlanBell> good, found any bugs?
[22:55] <richthegeek> tons
[22:55] <AlanBell> good, all reported on Launchpad?
[22:55] <richthegeek> the whole top panel has crashed
[22:55] <richthegeek> ive only been on it 5 minutes, my primary focus is on fixing this bloody ui
[22:55] <crimsun> richthegeek: please understand that artwork can and will change between now and the final release. It is not beyond a possibility that the button placement will be rediscussed and changed.
[22:55] <AlanBell> dutchie: sudo dhclient?
[22:55] <dutchie> it works outside the chroot
[22:56] <AlanBell> richthegeek: I told you how to do that, gconf-editor and mess with the key
[22:56] <dutchie> ah, forgot to bind mount /proc and /dev
[22:56] <AlanBell> mount. . .
[22:56] <AlanBell> ah
[22:56] <crimsun> richthegeek: understandably many people are quite apprehensive, upset even, but the proper place to discuss (not vent) is on the artwork list.
[22:56] <crimsun> richthegeek: thanks for understanding!
[22:56] <ZykoticK9> richthegeek, if you want to move them see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[22:57] <richthegeek> right... maybe make it a per-theme option rather than system wide for every theme that wasn't designed for it?
[22:57] <richthegeek> at least give people the option, I mean
[22:58] <AlanBell> http://www.askvg.com/leftsider-move-windows-titlebar-buttons-to-the-left-with-this-small-free-utility/
[22:58] <yofel> he's gone...
[22:58] <bjsnider> how sad
[22:58] <yofel> he could have voted for that on http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ideatorrent/idea/23899
[22:58] <crimsun> I wish people approached the change as an input collector instead of knee-jerk chicken little.
[22:59] <gnomefreak> if you unset the value it has been said to change back (for the window controls)
[22:59] <AlanBell> I am not sure he was a geek at all tbh
[22:59]  * gnomefreak hasnt unset it yet
[22:59]  * David-T invents a cron script for april 1st that slowly rotates the 4 buttons around the titlebar once a minute
[22:59] <bjsnider> not a geek? shouldn't be using ubuntu
[23:00] <richthegeek> reboot didn't fix it despite the gconf change... and it shows my desktop (including windows starting, networking connected, IRC connected) then logs me out
[23:01] <richthegeek> ah there we go
[23:01] <AlanBell> richthegeek: it doesn't need a reboot
[23:01] <richthegeek> was using the wrong tool ><
[23:01] <BUGabundo> David-T: instead make one that centers windows title names! :(
[23:01] <AlanBell> richthegeek: http://www.askvg.com/leftsider-move-windows-titlebar-buttons-to-the-left-with-this-small-free-utility/
[23:01] <high-rez> So is it always going to be that if you use the nvidia proprietary drivers that you use plymouth pretty boot stuff?
[23:02] <richthegeek> what's your point AlanBell?
[23:02] <high-rez> s/use/loose
[23:03] <yofel> richthegeek: if you don't like how it works vote for a solution http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ideatorrent/idea/23899
[23:04] <richthegeek> seems to already 500 saying "get stuffed, ye" to the left-hand-siders
[23:04] <AlanBell> richthegeek: just thought it might ammuse
[23:05] <bjsnider> high-rez, correct
[23:05] <richthegeek> not amused.. I am actually fugging enraged at this whole move to copy OSX in this release
[23:05] <bjsnider> unless nvidia surprises us with a kms ddriver
[23:05] <bjsnider> which it won't
[23:05] <bjsnider> so forget it
[23:05] <richthegeek> since when did the dev team turn into a bunch of trend-ladyofthenights
[23:05] <bjsnider> ubuntu has been moving towards osx for years
[23:06] <bjsnider> this is not a new thing
[23:06] <richthegeek> hardly
[23:06] <crimsun> richthegeek: please don't lump all devs together, thanks.
[23:06] <richthegeek> this is the first UI move that has been definitively OSXes
[23:06] <richthegeek> crimsun: sorry, meant the UI devs
[23:06] <bjsnider> what about the default directories and icons for them, ie. videos, music documents et al.?
[23:07] <richthegeek> those make *sense*
[23:07] <BUGabundo> richthegeek: like GNOME is not ALL ABOUT looking like OSX
[23:07] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:07] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: it isnt.. it's well designed rather than copying
[23:07] <wgrant> Canonical's UI devs, at that.
[23:07] <wgrant> It's little to do with Ubuntu devs.
[23:07] <BUGabundo> wgrant: +100
[23:07] <bjsnider> well designed? that's just all subjective
[23:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ahah
[23:08] <richthegeek> bjsnider: somewhat subjective, but there are quantitative ways to test such things
[23:08] <gnomefreak> isnt the whole rant like that bjsnider :)
[23:08] <Semitones> heyo -- is keychain still messed up for people?
[23:09] <richthegeek> bjsnider: and I've seen people who aren't geeks, and have never seen linux before, be able to navigate GNOME a lot quicker than Windows or Mac on first use
[23:09] <richthegeek> as long as they don't know its Linux, ofcourse
[23:11] <gnomefreak> Semitones: i dont have an issue with it. but i havent yet either
[23:11] <bjsnider> that is also a subjective argument. you have seen these things.
[23:11] <richthegeek> that's not subjective, it's just not scientific proof
[23:11] <rye> I find the buttons at the left side much better for me btw, and I won't click close accidentally because in case window overlap it is not the one in the corner
[23:11] <rye> just my 5 c
[23:11] <Semitones> hmm, well keychain asks me to unlock it several times when I log in
[23:11] <Semitones> and it still doesn't remember my wpa key
[23:11] <bjsnider> it's subjective and it's hearsay
[23:12] <Semitones> this is under lubuntu though, so it could be localized to that flavor. I just want to check that no one here is having similar issues
[23:12] <gnomefreak> Semitones: set it to not load at start up in system>prefs>startup apps  (or what ever it is called until its fixed
[23:12] <rye> and I have closed a lot of windows accidentally :(
[23:12] <richthegeek> ctrl+w/alt+f4
[23:12] <Semitones> gnomefreak, good idea
[23:12] <gnomefreak> Semitones: i have no reason to ever load it on start up and i havent yet seen a reason to
[23:13] <daijoubu> yes the buttons are great now :) i love em :) insdead of intuitively closing a window just by going to the top right corner, now i have to watch out so that i don't click the Menu options on the window instead of closing or minimizing it
[23:14] <daijoubu> 100% amazing stuff
[23:14] <rye> daijoubu, menu options?
[23:14] <gnomefreak> why would you go there :( it was nice not having the same rant over and over again
[23:14] <gnomefreak> rye: window controls
[23:14] <Semitones> they still need a bit of work imho. either flip it around so it's "close - minimize - maximize" or put it back
[23:15] <richthegeek> just make it a frickin option instead of forcing it down people's throats and there will be no issue
[23:15] <richthegeek> heck, a gui in the appearance manager would be awesome regardless
[23:15] <daijoubu> i hope you will provide the option for us crazy people that like the buttons to be on the right side where there are no "window controls" thou :)
[23:15] <SEJeff> daijoubu, It is only a 1 line command to fix ot quick trip to gconf-editor
[23:16] <SEJeff> I hate the new default as well, but it is super simple to revert
[23:16] <daijoubu> thats good to know
[23:17] <bjsnider> i don't believe the amount of emotional bromides regarding this issue
[23:17] <rye> gnomefreak, sorry about starting it... I thought that it is already known that one can control button order via gconf... I'm just wondering why someone would get a window options button now... I thought it was removed :-/
[23:17] <bjsnider> it's like people are being forced into gitmo for a few months of waterboarding
[23:17] <rye> i don't have it
[23:17] <SEJeff> Less than gnome upstream removing icons from menus by default actually
[23:18] <daijoubu> bjsnider, well it's frustrating to know that where previously i can go on a place where nothing else is and close a window, now there are window controls and i have to be careful when closing a god damned window ...
[23:18] <gnomefreak> rye: :) its all good
[23:18] <daijoubu> so it does get emotional for me
[23:19] <richthegeek> SEJeff: terminal is never a solution to GUI
[23:19] <daijoubu> and right now with Xchat there are the window controls under the close button and aboe i have aht gnome Applications menue
[23:19] <richthegeek> SEJeff: noobs cant do it
[23:19] <daijoubu> so if i go  a little up i get Applications and a little down i get Xchat View settings
[23:20] <David-T> daijoubu: go here - http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side - follow the instructions, switch it back. be happy.
[23:20] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: that is not even close to being true (maybe just for you?)
[23:20] <SEJeff> richthegeek, Right, but gconf-editor is much saner than the registry editor. My mother (famous quote: where is the start menu) can use it just fine
[23:20] <richthegeek> gnomefreak: ever been in the #ubuntu IRC? or on the forums? they absolutely freak out
[23:20] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: yes i am and have
[23:20] <daijoubu> David-T, thanks, i will, i hope you guys realize how you will inconvenient a lot of people who will not be able to change it back
[23:20] <jpds> richthegeek: He's an #ubuntu op.
[23:21] <daijoubu> anyways afk
[23:21] <SEJeff> Hate to say it, but this is Linux. You'll have to use the command line when things are broken. Thats just how it is.
[23:21] <richthegeek> yes, it was an sarcastic statement...
[23:21] <richthegeek> SEJeff: this is *Ubuntu*.. one of its big USPs is that you dont have to open a terminal to get simple stuff done
[23:22] <David-T> daijoubu: i'm not saying i like the change.  just there's no reason to get worked up about it.
[23:22] <daijoubu> sure there is
[23:22] <SEJeff> richthegeek, Thanks for the tip... I've used it since right after hoary and am quite aware
[23:22] <daijoubu> i don't think this makes Ubuntu better for everyone using it
[23:22] <richthegeek> yes there is.. its done for no reason, its annoying, and it confuses
[23:22] <SEJeff> Look how many upstream gnome-ers got upset and still are over notify-osd
[23:22] <daijoubu> it's inconvenient and when you make it default it's a bad idea
[23:22] <richthegeek> used since 7.04 before we start getting our manhoods out
[23:23] <SEJeff> Canonical is actually trying to innovate.  They are experimenting with the user experience.
[23:23] <richthegeek> forcing change is not the way to go though
[23:23] <David-T> ok, fine. there's no reason for _me_ to get upset over it. you can get upset over it if you want.  I'm going to bed.
[23:23] <SEJeff> you don't pay for ubuntu. in fact, canonical pays for people to work on it so you get it for free.
[23:23] <crimsun> folks, please realize that this design is not set in stone, and there are more effective avenues for communicating discomfort to the UI developers. This IRC channel is not really efficient for that.
[23:23] <SEJeff> Just saying give them some slack
[23:24] <daijoubu> SEJeff oh good O_O i'm waiting for "Paper clip" innovation then lol
[23:24] <richthegeek> yes, I know this, but there are also a bunch of other distros where this sort of stuff doesnt happen
[23:24] <richthegeek> daijoubu: excellently put
[23:24] <SEJeff> richthegeek, So go use gentoo. Open source / Free software is about choice :)
[23:24] <richthegeek> SEJEff: so why are you removing it?
[23:24]  * SEJeff is not a canonical employee
[23:25] <andreasn> richthegeek, "forcing" things on users have been how it's been done since GNOME 2.0 in in 2002, eight years ago. Been working out ok I think
[23:25] <SEJeff> or ubuntu developer for that matter
[23:25] <richthegeek> you are complicit in your tacit condonance
[23:26] <daniskami> By the way, is there really no GNOME GUI option to change the order of the titlebar buttons? There is one in the XFCE window manager settings which is perfectly easy to use
[23:27] <SEJeff> daniskami, Sadly no. There was talk on planet gnome about a "Gnome Tweak" application for these sorts of things. It seems trivial to implement
[23:27] <andreasn> daniskami, I bet it's going to show up in the Ubuntu Tweak app
[23:27] <daijoubu> this innovations sounds more like the Blender innovation :) "Hey everyone is using A for this function! We will innovate! In Blender the same thing will be done with A+Ctrl+F55+PrtSc+NumLock!"
[23:28] <daniskami> Here's how it looks in XFCE: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#wm-style
[23:28] <daniskami> SEJeff, andreasn: sounds like a safe bet ;)
[23:32] <C-S-B> interesting events I had the other day. Needed an update but prior to installing it blitzed my X config
[23:42] <richthegeek> another issue
[23:42] <richthegeek> where has my sound controller gone?
[23:43] <richthegeek> volume control panel applet
[23:43] <richthegeek> and why cant i get rid of the keyboard selector?
[23:44] <crimsun> indicator-sound | 0.1.3-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | source, amd64, i386
[23:44] <crimsun> make sure you have that installed, and logout and login
[23:44] <richthegeek> its already installed
[23:46] <BUGabundo> I got it lost this morning
[23:46] <BUGabundo> then got it back at night
[23:49] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 is latest indicator-sound
[23:51] <gnomefreak> looks like plymouth/mountall is ready
[23:51] <richthegeek> only got 0.1.3-0ubuntu1, will upgrade stuff first.
[23:53] <richthegeek> is the graphical boot loader working?
[23:54] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: plymouth?
[23:54] <richthegeek> plymouth?
[23:54] <richthegeek> nvidia graphics, if that's your question
[23:54] <gnomefreak> i dont have issue with nvidia
[23:55] <richthegeek> im getting text based progress bar
[23:55] <gnomefreak> boot loader == plymouth since usplash was removed
[23:55] <BUGabundo> am I the only one commenting the shutdown button now being labled switch off?
[23:55] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: havent shut down yet
[23:55] <BUGabundo> took me 30 sec to figure how to turn off my laptop today :\
[23:56] <richthegeek> gnomefreak: right.. I used update-manager -d rather than a fresh install
[23:56] <gnomefreak> i have shutdown if you mean FUSA(or whatever name is now)
[23:56] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: yes
[23:56] <BUGabundo> I don't
[23:56] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i havent done gdm update yet maybe thats why?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> richthegeek: that's only to upgrade from older version
[23:56] <jarlath> BUGabundo: I didn't even notice 'til you mentioned it.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> after you have lucid, that won't do anything
[23:57] <BUGabundo> jarlath: its SOOO wrong
[23:57] <richthegeek> BUGabundo: yes, I know, but it might be the reason my boot screen is text based
[23:57] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[23:57] <BUGabundo> well wrong enough to ask Mac coworkers if OSX had "shutdown" or "swich off"
[23:57] <BUGabundo> guess what?
[23:58] <richthegeek> Mac had "Switch Off", I'm guessing
[23:58] <BUGabundo> No
[23:58] <BUGabundo> so I tough
[23:58] <BUGabundo> but its Shutdown
[23:58] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOL
[23:58] <richthegeek> how odd..
[23:58] <gnomefreak> bug 538292?
[23:58] <jarlath>  I like it. I had to explain to my parents what shutdown meant, but they know what Switch Off means.
[23:58] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: that bug by chance?
[23:59] <richthegeek> at the moment I am thinking this release of Ubuntu will be more of a frug-up than Fedora 9 OR Vista
[23:59] <richthegeek> gnomefreak: it starts, just no graphical boot
[23:59] <BUGabundo> jarlath: I do understand
[23:59] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: what version of mountall and plymouth do you have?
[23:59] <richthegeek> latest
[23:59] <BUGabundo> but then again I've seen shutdown for over 15 years
[23:59] <gnomefreak> latest means nothing
[23:59] <jarlath> Just my opinion of course.