[00:01] <diddledan> yes, technically it's a simple emerge bash - but I'm trying to take the problem as incitement to fix more than just bash - there are many security advisories relevant to various softwares installed
[00:02] <daftykins> ah ofc
[00:02] <diddledan> I'm trying to get to a point where we can use binary packages but the hurdle is getting everything in a suitable state for that to be useful
[00:03] <daftykins> ah to prevent max loading the machines at every build time?
[00:04] <diddledan> yeah
[00:04] <diddledan> and drastically reduce upgrade cycle duration
[00:04] <diddledan> binary packages install in a fraction of time compared to compiling everything
[00:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:05] <daftykins> have any of the compiles failed / resulted in a failed config?
[00:05] <lxf_> have a problem with 12.04
[00:05] <daftykins> ok?
[00:05] <daftykins> ask away with detail
[00:05] <diddledan> yeah, it's a very hands-on process to get things updated with sanity
[00:06] <lxf_> the network icon has dissapeared from the main menu
[00:06] <lxf_> how do i get it back?
[00:07] <diddledan> the simplest way is to reboot
[00:08] <lxf_> have done that still no icon
[00:08] <daftykins> isn't there some right click add to panel malarkey? or is that another DE 0o
[00:08] <diddledan> daftykins: that's gnome
[00:08] <daftykins> or... checking nm-applet is installed? dunno :D
[00:08] <diddledan> daftykins: the network "icon" is nm-applet embedded into the "tray"
[00:08] <diddledan> yeah that
[00:09] <lxf_> but the network is connected to wireless
[00:09] <daftykins> lxf_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet
[00:11] <lxf_> lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall nm-applet
[00:11] <lxf_> [sudo] password for lxf:
[00:11] <lxf_> Reading package lists... Done
[00:11] <lxf_> Building dependency tree
[00:11] <lxf_> Reading state information... Done
[00:11] <lxf_> E: Unable to locate package nm-applet
[00:11] <lxf_> thats what i get
[00:14] <daftykins> sec
[00:14] <diddledan> lxf_: the pacakge is network-manager-gnome
[00:14] <daftykins> ah my glamorous assistant has provided the answer
[00:15] <diddledan> I had to apt-file it
[00:15] <diddledan> which involved installing apt-file to begin with :-p
[00:15] <daftykins> if we had the bot we could !find nm-applet
[00:15] <diddledan> oh!
[00:16] <diddledan> that would be sensible
[00:16] <daftykins> i was about to query the one from #ubuntu
[00:16] <diddledan> I wonder what idiot thought that being able to find packages easily with a single command would be helpful?!
[00:17] <diddledan> honestly, they make it too easy these days :-p
[00:17] <lxf_> do i have to reinstall the network-manager?
[00:18] <daftykins> run what i said, substituting nm-applet for network-manager-gnome
[00:18] <lxf_> i have run that in the terminal
[00:19] <lxf_> as you said
[00:20] <daftykins> log out and in, or reboot again
[00:21] <lxf_> ok
[00:21] <daftykins> i think he'll be back.
[00:22] <daftykins> unity reset would be the next idea methinks
[00:25] <lxf_> have rebooted still no icon
[00:26] <daftykins> unity reset time
[00:27] <daftykins> lxf_: https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/10/reset-unity-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[00:27] <lxf_> lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$ apt-get nm-applet
[00:27] <lxf_> E: Invalid operation nm-applet
[00:27] <lxf_> lxf@brianb-M7X0SU:~$
[00:30] <lxf_> do you suggest i reset unity
[00:30] <daftykins> yep that's the topic of my link
[00:33] <lxf_> is Compiz part of unity?
[00:34] <daftykins> it's all the graphical effects
[00:34] <daftykins> the window compositor, i guess
[00:34] <lxf_> thats not the 3d cube effect?
[00:37] <daftykins> did you follow it yet?
[00:37] <lxf_> yes and i used the restart cmd for unity in the term still no icon
[00:39] <daftykins> ok i give up
[00:39] <daftykins> test the guest account
[00:39] <lxf_> ok thanks for you help
[00:40] <daftykins> there's also the main #ubuntu in case anyone there has further ideas
[00:40] <daftykins> seems there are no good volunteers in there this evening though
[00:41] <lxf_> the guess accont is the same no network icon
[00:42] <lxf_> what would happen if i reinstalled the network manager?
[00:42] <lxf_> is there anyway to edit the main menu?
[00:44] <daftykins> i gave up 'cause i have no further ideas
[00:44] <lxf_> ok thanks
[00:44] <daftykins> ask in #ubuntu, i see one good volunteer now
[00:44] <lxf_> ok thanks
[02:15] <diddledan> I need to sleep
[02:15] <diddledan> but.. patching
[02:15] <daftykins> :D do you get paid overtime though :(
[02:15] <diddledan> yeah, I'm on an hourly
[02:15] <daftykins> day-um
[02:16] <daftykins> i need to go to bed, i keep getting up too late to get ready and go places to do work
[02:16] <daftykins> though it's not been a month since i got out of hospital yet
[03:20] <Bosch-Vivv> Pure angst I canny have a goat mug ;( https://twitter.com/shopcocomori/status/516675822199918592
[06:59] <Myrtti> moin
[07:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:38] <selinuxium> morning  o/
[08:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:34] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:35] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:35] <knightwise> how are you doing today
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Translation Day! :-D
[08:36] <brobostigon> not bad at all, and you?
[08:36] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:36] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[08:37] <knightwise> in that case "Een goeiemorgen allemaal"
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> and remember to craunch a marmoset on international translation day :-)
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:02] <bigcalm> daftykins: It was me, ta for the link
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:02] <bigcalm> o/
[10:02] <brobostigon> o/
[10:05] <DGJones> grrs, I wish people would stop rehashing old phone leaks and come up with something definitive for Nexus 6
[10:06] <bigcalm> The Philip K. Dick estate authorised the use of the name?
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> i thought they mentioned on twit that they weren't going to use the name nexus 6
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> as they were the 'bad' guys
[10:10] <directhex> they weren't bad, they were top of the range!
[10:10] <bigcalm> The battery life will be horrible
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> apart from the whole kill people thing
[10:11] <directhex> they just had a strong sense of self preservation, that's all
[10:11] <directhex> i suggest not bend-testing a nexus 6
[10:11] <bigcalm> Ha
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> susan calvin would not approve
[10:12] <directhex> rumours are that the nexus x (6) will be a monster-sized phone. 5.5" class
[10:12] <directhex> was in carphone whorehouse today, wife had a chance to see the new iphones. she ranted about the iphone 6 bieng too big for her hand, so i handed her an iphone 6+
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> and then used immortal line, 'it looks like you've lost weight' :-p
[10:14] <DGJones> I keep seeing 2 different sizes for the Nexus 6/X, either 5.2" or 5.9"
[10:15] <DGJones> If its the larger, I think that will be too big for what is a "phone" at the end of day
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> if you use public transport the larger size is excellent, if you drive the smaller i reckon
[10:16] <awilkins> I think Android L will breathe new life into older phones because of the new execution model
[10:17] <awilkins> My Nexus 4 may gain another few years of useful service life
[10:17] <dutchie> i need a replacement for my nexus 5
[10:17] <dutchie> it had a little accident on a night out a few months ago
[10:17] <awilkins> :-(
[10:18] <awilkins> This is one reason I keep a Motorola RAZR in my sock drawer
[10:18] <directhex> i have a shortlist of 3 for my new phone
[10:18] <awilkins> Stag night? RAZR.
[10:18] <awilkins> Metal casing. Indestructible. If it gets lost or stolen I don't care.
[10:19] <awilkins> directhex, What's the shortlist?
[10:19] <directhex> iphone 6, galaxy alpha, xperia z3 compact
[10:20] <DGJones> zmoylan-pi: I always have a 7" tablet with me anyway so I don't really want something that big as that as phone, but I do want something with a decent sized screen, mostly looking at Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, LG G3, but new nexus will come into it if its a 5.2" screen
[10:20] <awilkins> Mine would probably be  i) Nexus 5  ii) Whatever that Chinese superphone was iii) Nexus 6
[10:20] <awilkins> iv) UbuntuFone
[10:20] <awilkins> Maybe I'll try UbuntuFone on my Nexus 4
[10:20] <directhex> i have 29 days to sign a new contract
[10:21] <awilkins> Is your usage heavy?
[10:21] <directhex> yes, but not by choice
[10:22] <directhex> my cancelled contract has 750M of data, which i get through reliably. with no video, no app updates or installations
[10:22] <directhex> that was "no, not by choice" i.e. "i wish i could view video on my mobile"
[10:22] <foobarry> just web browsing?
[10:22] <awilkins> Oh, so heavy data but not voice?
[10:22] <directhex> reddit & twitter
[10:22] <directhex> who uses voice, in 2014?
[10:22] <foobarry> wowzer
[10:22] <awilkins> Wowzer indeed
[10:22] <foobarry> thats a lot of imgurs
[10:22] <awilkins> I use twitter a lot and rarely top 250MB
[10:23] <awilkins> But I don't download a lot of bitmaps outside of wifi
[10:23] <awilkins> So : I pay £10 a month for 1GB data
[10:23] <awilkins> (and view the unlimited texts and 500 minutes of voice as a trivial but useful bonus)
[10:23] <directhex> i also need to use my phone in the USA
[10:24] <awilkins> Often?
[10:24] <foobarry> i quit rediit
[10:24] <awilkins> Worth getting a USA SIM card for?
[10:24] <directhex> couple of times a year
[10:24] <directhex> for £15 a month, three will give me unlimited data in the UK and 25G in the USA.
[10:24] <awilkins> That's in the realms of OK
[10:24] <foobarry> i got addicted during my baby's early days while i sat in the nursery at 2am cuddling her to sleep
[10:24] <directhex> 25G of roaming data, on orange, is £0.2 million
[10:24] <foobarry> but managed to go cold turkey
[10:24] <awilkins> Contract phone or buy yourself and shove a SIM?
[10:25] <directhex> awilkins: leaning towards the latter
[10:25] <directhex> awilkins: but not until i fondle a z3c in real life
[10:25] <awilkins> directhex, Yeah, that's what I did with the Nexus 4
[10:25] <foobarry> now i can just dip in once a week on r/modelmakers
[10:25] <awilkins> directhex, If your phone is reasonably priced it's deffo the way to go
[10:25] <directhex> awilkins: not always. a smart man does 2-year TCO calculations
[10:26] <awilkins> directhex, And they said "BUY A PHONE" to me :P
[10:26] <awilkins> Spreadsheets were used
[10:26] <directhex> e.g. it's about £50 cheaper to buy a galaxy alpha on a three contract, than to buy it sim-free and get a sim-only contract, both with unlimited data
[10:26] <directhex> whereas it's about £300 more, for the iphone 6
[10:27] <directhex> (i also have spreadsheets)
[10:27] <directhex> z3c prices are not confirmed yet
[10:27] <directhex> they're £350 if you shop around
[10:28] <foobarry> what do premium phones offer over £150 moto g with LTE and microsim slot
[10:28] <awilkins> Bendability?
[10:29] <foobarry> serious qu.
[10:29] <awilkins> Not sure anything
[10:29] <awilkins> Offspring has a Moto G (1st gen) 16GB
[10:29] <awilkins> I think it was a pretty good buy
[10:29] <DGJones> directhex: Did you see this article at the weekend about best deals on mobiles? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29377064
[10:29] <directhex> foobarry: 4.8ghz.
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> bragging factor?  i can't think of any real benefit but i'm biased as i use a feature phone these days and i'm thinking of dropping even that
[10:30] <directhex> foobarry: and double the RAM
[10:30] <foobarry> for games?
[10:30] <directhex> foobarry: waterproofing
[10:31] <foobarry> the premium phones don't sound 3x better
[10:32] <thedistance|COM> JamesTait, Nom nom at the vehiclecentre.co.uk. Worth having a goodreads.com ; http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241954304/
[10:32] <thedistance|COM> The 'lexical pointer' that just popped out is "conventional solution".
[10:32] <thedistance|COM> tty Back on the road for the Home of Oxford Instruments :) {or- on ze rot}pg50Line2 [GBP'4.22]
[10:32] <Myrtti> that's random...
[10:32] <awilkins> Is that some kind of spambot?
[10:34] <directhex> foobarry: generally speaking, "premium" products aren't better on a linear scale. a £400 graphics card is not twice as fast as a £200 graphics card. a £40,000 car is not "twice as good" as a £20,000 car. the cost of marginal improvement goes up and up and up
[10:34] <awilkins> Looks like it's just digested the channel log and sporked together a plausible post with an Amazon link in it
[10:34] <directhex> foobarry: the moto G is unusually good value, but it's not a linear scale
[10:37] <directhex> you can get a surprisingly good mobile for under a hundred quid. and you can buy a Kia quite cheap too. how much better than a Kia is a BMW? they both have 4 wheels and an engine, both go from A to B fine. Kias aren't bad, they're good.
[10:41] <awilkins> I have a Skoda for much the same reason
[10:41] <awilkins> It's a Volkswagen in all but name, really
[10:44] <directhex> yeah, that happens. chevy volt is about 5 grand cheaper than vauxhall ampera
[10:45] <directhex> and most small chevies are daewoo under the badge
[10:45] <awilkins> I had a Matiz before they were bought out
[10:45] <awilkins> 796cc of raw throbbing POWER
[10:45] <awilkins> Not one, not two, but THREE cylinders.
[10:46] <awilkins> Served me 13 years before it became apparent it was eating front wheel bearings faster than I wanted to pay for them
[10:47] <awilkins> Cost me £8500 for the top end model with air-con and a rear spoiler
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> you'd got your moneys worth though by that point
[10:47] <awilkins> Oh, definitely
[10:47] <awilkins> Cheap to insure, cheap to run
[10:47] <awilkins> I have a Citigo now
[10:48] <foobarry> my neighbour has a dacia
[10:49] <foobarry> cheapest car out there i think
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> that indian tata never made it to the uk?
[11:00] <dutchie> zmoylan-pi: you'd probably still save money shipping one over
[11:12] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: i think there are safety issues making it hard to sell in europe
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> they allow mopeds to be sold :-p
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> and the peel 50 was sold in the uk which had less safety features
[11:18] <directhex> fewer
[11:18] <directhex> i don't think euro NCAP was a thing when the peel 50 was sold
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> true true, though you'd love to see their faces if they had to test it now :-)
[11:46] <knightwise> afternoon peeps
[11:47] <popey> yo
[11:47] <knightwise> hey popey :) how are you doin
[11:48] <popey> tickety boo!
[11:49] <knightwise> good to hear
[11:49] <knightwise> hya daubers
[11:49]  * knightwise almost had a little bit of a fit..
[11:49] <knightwise> almost bought a chromebook
[11:49] <knightwise> I recovered just in time :)
[11:52] <popey> i hear a fair number of linux people buy them and immediately wipe chrome off, or dual-boot it with real linux distros
[11:52] <knightwise>  popey Thought about doing that too.
[11:52] <popey> i did too
[11:52] <popey> then I bought a thinkpad x61s second hand on ebay
[11:53] <knightwise> what chromebook did you try popey  ?
[11:56] <popey> i havent
[11:56] <foobarry> don't get a samsung
[11:56] <knightwise> ah. you got the x61 .. happy with it ?
[11:59] <popey> yes
[11:59] <popey> very
[11:59] <popey> 60 quid
[11:59] <popey> chucked more ram in it, and a new battery
[11:59] <knightwise> SSD also helps a hellovalot
[13:52] <knightwise> hey everyone
[13:53] <knightwise> does anyone have any idea why my ubuntu 14.04 won't install any extra repositories ?
[13:56] <brobostigon> i was just going to make a suggestion, oh well.
[21:39] <dogmatic69> is it possible to have a 'folder' on the unity bar?
[21:39] <dogmatic69> running out of space on there, prefer it to not scroll
[21:49] <ali1234> not really no


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[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:57]  * mamarley kicks LP with a steel-toed boot.
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 Perusing KCI  and looking for something simple to fix, I noticed k3b with this warning: k3b-i18n: empty-binary-package
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 So looking into the k3b debian packaging, I also notice the control file is not wrapped and sorted.  Is the lack of sorting due to debian merges not being sorted?
 If the kubuntu packaging is fixed, won't the fixed be "stomped on" in the next applications merge with debian?
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 @DarinMiller, That is because KCI removes those types of translations from the .install file, as a git clone of the source is missing them.
 @DarinMiller, yep
 Is k3b still on kde4 codebase?  The .install shows usr/share/applications/kde4/k3b.desktop as the install path.
 @DarinMiller, You must be in the wrong branch
 https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/k3b/tree/debian
 @DarinMiller, That is master branch, which will be ancient from debian
 branch says master at the top.  Am I doing it wrong (again)?
 You need a kubuntu_something branch
 I did not know the branch option even existed until now.  Good to know.
 oh, eoan control file looks much better!
 KCI uses the kubuntu_stable and kubuntu_unstable branches for builds
 I knew I must change the branch when editing the packages, but for some reason I did not realize I had to do the same on the web pages.  Seems so obvious now...
[20:22] <vip> hi there, are your k-menu aligned properly in kde beta? mine is rather like centered
 picture?
[20:28] <vip> e.g. https://imgur.com/a/6Pmiye4
[20:31] <vip> sorry, https://imgur.com/a/7oz4uYf
 (Photo, 914x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/axN1X1YP/file_15562.jpg I gues mine could be considered misaligned also, but it hugs the bottom, so it feels normal/correct to me:
[20:35] <vip> It was always aligned with left corners
[20:36] <vip> I suppose the problewidthm is when bar is not 100%
[20:36] <vip> I suppose the problem is when bar is not 100% width
 I have seen issues when running a 1600x1200 screen (secondardy monitor) next to 4K monitor where the menu will align with the bottom of the secondary or essentially halfway up the 4k monitor.  I use X to scale the 2nd monitor, and the probelm "disappeared". I will reboot without to test 5.16....
 brb....
[20:39] <vip> Now, I've connected 2nd monitor, but the problem exists also when on one screen only
 (Photo, 1280x508) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NsE06P52/file_15563.jpg alignment problems persists with 15.9 when secondary monitor is unscaled:
[20:49] <vip> ok, so it is a bug, not my (old) configuration
[20:52] <vip> gotta go, thanks DarinMiller
 yes, iI agree its a bug.  I thought I filed it, but i am struggling to find it now....
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[12:46] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: do we know who's doing the Q&A today?
[12:50] <dholbach> I still have a cold, so I'd prefer if I'd get away with not being part of it today, but maybe nex week?
[12:57] <dpm> dholbach, no worries, you better get well
[12:58] <dpm> who did the last one?
[12:58] <dholbach> Mike and Alan I think
[12:58] <dpm> yeah, looks like it
[12:59] <dpm> balloons, davidcalle, are you up for doing the Q&A today? Happy to join in too
[13:07] <davidcalle> dpm: can do
[13:13]  * dholbach relocates to the office, bbiab
[13:27] <mhall119> I'll do the Q&A
[14:52]  * davidcalle relocates before meeting, brb
[15:26] <dpm> mhall119, davidcalle, so you were up for the Q&A?
[15:26] <mhall119> I am, yes
[15:27] <dpm> ok, cool
[15:33] <mhall119> davidcalle: are you back?
[15:42] <davidcalle> dpm, mhall119 : still up for the Q&A, yes
[17:27]  * davidcalle calls it a day, see you tomorrow all o/
[17:28] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!


[13:58] <darkmatter> vish: windows.next (aka 8) _may_ be going metro. I wonder if it'll come packaged with a free unisex handbag? :O
[15:15] <twisted_steel> are there any set of specs for tray icons to look like they fit in with ubuntu-mono-dark and ubuntu-mono-light?
[15:16] <kwwii> twisted_steel: there are but they are not public yet...they will be coming with the visual identity refresh info
[15:17] <twisted_steel> kwwii: ah, ok ... I can wait
[15:17] <kwwii> twisted_steel: but if you look closely at the icons you can figure it out yourself
[15:17] <kwwii> it is quite simple
[15:17] <twisted_steel> any place I will expect to find them when they come out?
[15:17] <kwwii> they will be on the wiki for sure
[15:17] <twisted_steel> cool, thanks
[15:17] <kwwii> np
[17:16] <vish> darkmatter: maybe I'll switch to Win8 then ;p
[17:17] <vish> for the metro , well.. the handbag maybe just a bonus ;p
[17:18] <darkmatter> :P
[18:25] <thorwil> http://www.idsgn.org/posts/cs5-an-evolution-of-the-designers-toolbox/


[00:13] <siya> Anyone here know how to just write a toc file to a cdr(w)?
[00:13] <siya> cdrdao wants valid wav files but I only want to write the toc not the rest
[00:20] <gordonjcp> siya: why just a toc file?
[00:20] <gordonjcp> tbh I think you'd actually need audio frames to match the toc anyway
[00:20] <siya> trying to recover a blanked audio cdrw
[00:20] <gordonjcp> ah
[00:20] <siya> I know the audio is there just don't want to over write them
[00:20] <siya> can write to the cd but not read it
[00:20] <gordonjcp> I wonder if you can just pull the audio off with something and recover it later?
[00:20] <siya> I'd live to but dd won't work
[00:21] <siya> s/live/love/
[00:21] <gordonjcp> dd won't work with an audio cd, since it's not a filesystem
[00:21] <siya> indeed
[00:21] <siya> cdrdao says the disk is empty
[00:22] <siya> can;t tell it to ignore the toc and read the rest
[00:22] <siya> some other app/site says that it depends on the drive if you can read it
[00:22] <gordonjcp> maybe hacking on cdrdao would be a good place to start though
[00:22] <siya> have tried about 6 or 7 drives and none allow me to read it
[00:23] <siya> it seems the drive firmware return disk-empty to the OS, rather than allowing the OS direct access to the disk
[00:23] <siya> so if i can write a new toc (raw write to disk)
[00:23] <siya> then I should be good
[00:24] <siya> just want to write a toc w a single audio track of the entire length of the disk
[00:24] <siya> then I can use audacity to cut the audio out of the ripped data (pcm/wav)
[00:29] <siya> Maybe I need to just write raw data to the disk
[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <DJones> Morning
[07:11] <diplo> Morning all
[08:01] <ramsrambo> Need help installing Ubuntu 12 beta 2
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> ꔛ
[08:28] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :)
[08:34] <DJones> A quiet friday even
[08:35] <popey> shh
[08:36] <gord> quiet would be nice :)
[08:37] <oimon> always kick myself for running beta on my work PC
[08:37] <oimon> can't report crashes unless i run dist-upgrade every morning
[08:38] <gord> guy next doors wifi is somehow stronger than my own wifi, all my ubuntu's keep trying to connect to "frednet" :(
[08:38] <oimon> is his bandwidth better?
[08:38] <gordonjcp> heh
[08:39] <gord> its secured, i've no idea why they keep trying to connect
[08:39] <gordonjcp> I used to have that problem
[08:39] <gordonjcp> I just turned up my output power
[08:39] <oimon> until you craked it?
[08:39] <oimon> maybe your cat tried connecting once gord
[08:40] <gord> with HUD, anything is possible
[08:41] <oimon> keep forgetting to use HDU
[08:41] <oimon> HUD
[08:41] <popey> s/use/write/
[08:41] <popey> hmm
[08:41]  * popey gets more coffee
[08:41] <gord> the trick to using hud is to make a connection in your brain from "ugh i have to use a menu...", which i get a lot when using gimp, to "oh i can just type it"
[08:43] <oimon> my machine is in a state, need to restart
[08:43] <oimon> compiz + unity have conspired against me
[08:45] <popey> aquarius: i am pondering not syncing my entire music folder to u1, but syncing each band instead
[08:45] <popey> aquarius: that way i can choose which bands I have on each device
[08:45] <aquarius> popey, what, as separate folders?
[08:45] <popey> rather than having to have everything everywhere
[08:45] <popey> yes
[08:45] <popey> within music
[08:46] <aquarius> yep, you could do that, indeed
[08:46] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ du -hs Music/
[08:46] <popey> 23G	Music/
[08:46] <popey> not a huge amount at the moment tbh
[08:46] <aquarius> stupid question: music streaming doesn't fulfil something you need?
[08:46] <gord> or you could not sync the music folder to each device and use other means to play the music
[08:46] <aquarius> (since that lets you cache only stuff you want)
[08:47] <popey> hmmm
[08:47] <oimon> popey is hmming a lot today
[08:48] <oimon> just enabled osd history to show recent notifications :D
[08:48]  * popey uploads his music to google play while he thinks about it
[08:48] <gord> aquarius, is there any reason that getting a list of music in the android music client is still reeeeeeeally slow? i'm wondering if its something on my side
[08:48]  * oimon wants to do that, needs a tor browser
[08:48] <popey> tor?
[08:48] <oimon> is that how you did it popey ?
[08:48] <oimon> sign up to g music?
[08:48] <aquarius> gord, it is, I suspect, not you
[08:48] <popey> i cant remember
[08:48] <gord> :(
[08:49] <oimon> you need a proxy or tor exit node in the states
[08:49] <popey> oh i worked for xerox and our proxy was in the us
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:51] <aquarius> gord, we cache your music listing, but after the cache times out it needs to be regenerated, and at the moment regenerating it is slower than we'd like. It's being worked on right now, that
[08:52]  * popey decides not to upload to google play while U1 is still uploading
[08:55] <diplo> I keep debating U1 Music as at least it will just work
[08:55] <diplo> Two minds I guess
[08:55] <gord> u1 music has worked great for me apart from this one thing
[08:56] <diplo> I store all my music on my media server, what are the commands like to allow what I want to sync via cli only ?
[08:56] <diplo> Easy ?
[08:57] <diplo> I guess you get it free as a staff member gord ?
[08:57] <gord> i do
[08:57] <gord> and there is no cli syncing iirc
[08:59] <diplo> Hmm the faq are very spares, "File Sync & Sharing" is totally empty :/
[09:00] <diplo> sparce*
[09:00] <iclebyte> morning all
[09:03] <brobostigon> !info gnome-shell unstable
[09:04] <popey> diplo: you can run a headless u1 client
[09:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:05] <diplo> yeah just trying to find some details popey
[09:05] <oimon> how do i choose a tor exit node in a particular country (US?)
[09:05] <diplo> U1 Faq are a bit sparse
[09:06] <diplo> Might spell it correctly this time
[09:06] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[09:06] <diplo> ta
[09:08] <popey> oimon: nice that there is an ubuntu compatible google music client so you can easily upload your tracks
[09:11] <SuperEngineer_> morning all - U1 interesting fact...
[09:11] <SuperEngineer_> if you have folder name tarting with "#" it fails on that folder!
[09:11] <SuperEngineer_> *starting
[09:11] <Myrtti> would anyone happen to have old O'Reilly animal books that have fallen into disuse are about a version or a product that is no longer in use?
[09:12] <Myrtti> s/disuse are/disuse or are/
[09:12] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I have a few
[09:13] <oimon> popey, really? what's it called
[09:13] <popey> Google Music Manager
[09:13] <oimon> just managed to sign up 5secs ago
[09:13] <Myrtti> bigcalm: excellent, don't throw them away, I might want to buy them off your hands
[09:13] <oimon> google is offering me an .exe
[09:14] <bigcalm> Myrtti: free to a good home :)
[09:14] <bigcalm> Though p&p might need to be covered as they aren't the lightest of things
[09:15] <Myrtti> bigcalm: or bring them over if we end up going to a same event or something
[09:15] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I struggle to throw away anything computer related
[09:15] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's what I was thinking
[09:15] <bigcalm> Are you coming to the RAT?
[09:15] <bigcalm> I don't think you said you were going to oggcamp
[09:15] <popey> oimon: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/musicmanager/deb/ stable main
[09:16] <popey> thats from my google-musicmanager.list
[09:16] <Myrtti> bigcalm: oggcamp is still pending, it's a week after I'll be on the archeological dig
[09:16] <popey> which I didnt put there, it probably did
[09:17] <Myrtti> and no I don't think we were thinking of going to RAT
[09:17] <Myrtti> mind you, I'm not planning to *read* them.
[09:17] <Myrtti> I just have a usecase that involves the pages :-P
[09:18] <Myrtti> (and O'Reilly hasn't responded to my email)
[09:18] <bigcalm> o.O
[09:22] <bigcalm> popey: have you sorted out a backlog plugin for irssi proxy usage?
[09:27] <popey> no
[09:27] <Myrtti> although if I tell you what I'm planning to use them for Hayley might find better use for the books for her projects...
[09:27] <Myrtti> hm.
[09:28] <bigcalm> Myrtti: don't worry, you have 1st dibs :)
[09:29] <SuperEngineer_> weird info for a crash report to give: "The report belongs to a package that is not installed."
[09:29] <bigcalm> Nice
[09:29] <SuperEngineer_> that's *really* gonna help the application's developers huh
[09:31] <Myrtti> bigcalm: email incoming :-P
[09:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Liam Proven] Anyone using the backported kernels on Lucid? I'm seeing driver problems. - http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/28810.html
[09:33] <bigcalm> Myrtti: no worries, Hayley isn't at all geeky like us :S
[09:33] <bigcalm> I like the idea, you should run with it
[09:33] <Laney> wooh
[09:33] <Laney> I found my passport. Thank god for that
[09:34] <bigcalm> UDS bound?
[09:35] <Laney> aye lad
[09:36] <gord> i need to get my roomba a cape
[09:36]  * popey knows his is on his desk somewhere
[09:36] <gord> it deserves a cape
[09:36] <gord> mine was on my desk, then i moved it to keep it safe, now i have no idea where it is
[09:37] <bigcalm> gord: does your cat ride the roomba?
[09:37] <gord> my cats mortal enemy is the roomba
[09:38] <bigcalm> Boo :(
[09:38] <bigcalm> gord: your cat fails at the Internet
[09:51] <oimon> cheers popey. uploaded some songs, no album art though :(
[09:51] <oimon> anyone tried downloading their songs again?
[09:56] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[09:56] <davmor2> morning all
[09:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: good day yesterday even if I was knackered and in pain thanks for helping it be so :)
[09:57] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:57] <bigcalm> I think it went a lot better than we feared it might
[09:58] <davmor2> :)
[09:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: people in the midlands hate signing up to stuff I told you
[09:58] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:59] <bigcalm> It was great to have somebody completely new just turn up out of the blue. Had computer problems which we helped him with
[09:59] <bigcalm> I can't imagine a better example of what the Happy Hour is about
[10:02] <czajkowski> gord: http://xkcd.com/908/
[10:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: Good morning
[10:16] <oimon> gah..hard freeze on my machine
[10:16] <oimon> only sysreq-B recovered it
[10:29] <popey> did someone here mention good 2TB drives to buy these days?
[10:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Finding things - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2012/04/passport-found/
[10:32] <czajkowski> Laney: you link to previous post is a 404
[10:32] <Laney> so it is
[10:32] <Laney> I made it work on the index but it broke it there
[10:32] <Laney> WTF
[10:33] <gord> popey, my seagate barracudas are doing me very well, 2TB, slower rpm than the other barracudas but that doesn't really matter for me
[10:33] <popey> thats what i was gonna get, thanks ☺
[10:33] <Laney> i'll never understand wikilinks
[10:33] <gord> never had a barracuda fail on me yet :) love them
[10:34] <czajkowski> Laney: where does one get bread beer
[10:34] <czajkowski> looks interesting
[10:34] <Laney> me mam got it from the US
[10:34] <Laney> it was horrible btw
[10:34] <czajkowski> oh :/
[10:34] <directhex> beer is liquid bread. it's good for you.
[10:35] <popey> gord: 7200 or 5900rpm?
[10:35] <czajkowski> scratch that so
[10:35] <Laney> that could have been the beer I used though (homebrew)
[10:35] <directhex> the worst beer i ever had ever was a morrisons' own brand hot cross bun beer.
[10:35] <Pendulum> I've heard of beer bread, but not bread beer
[10:35] <popey> 5900's are only 81 quid inc vat!
[10:35] <BigRedS> oooh
[10:35] <Pendulum> (beer bread is yummy, but you probably do need to use decent beer)
[10:35] <directhex> i just bought a new 3T disk.
[10:35] <BigRedS> I'm after a couple of TB of disk, twice
[10:35] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/248582-seagate-2tb-3-5-sata-6gb-s-hard-drive-5900rpm-64mb-cache-st2000dl003
[10:36] <gord> popey, 5900
[10:36] <popey> cool, ta
[10:36] <popey> gonna load up my microserver
[10:36] <gord> they were 50 quid when i got them :P
[10:36] <diplo> gord, popey : I have  same drives in my Micro
[10:36] <gord> picked up a bunch of them
[10:36] <BigRedS> I think I'm gonna buy a pair of those on payday
[10:36] <diplo> Same price as well :) really wish i bought 4
[10:37] <Laney> oh GOD why won't this wikilink work
[10:37] <BigRedS> wikilink?
[10:37] <BigRedS> oh, link in a wiki?
[10:37] <Laney> correct
[10:38] <BigRedS> if it's mediawiki post it up and I'll see if I can see what's up. But normally they're pretty simple...
[10:38] <Laney> it is ikiwiki
[10:39] <popey> yay, ordered
[10:39] <davmor2> Laney: to annoy you
[10:40] <Laney> it is definitely managing that
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: can you email ren with an email with the suggestion you made for the repeater please, pretty sure you'll state it better than I will
[10:41] <bigcalm> davmor2: sure, send me her address when you have time
[10:41] <Laney> fixed it...
[10:41] <Laney> -An exciting update on my [previous post](../passport). I found it this morning.
[10:41] <Laney> +An exciting update on my [[previous post|passport]]. I found it this morning.
[10:42] <Laney> yeah I was using the wrong syntax.
[10:43] <BigRedS> aha!
[10:44] <BigRedS> markdown ftw generally, though
[10:45] <Laney> quite
[10:46] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/163936/ only took a few tries
[10:47] <BigRedS> haha
[11:19] <syruss> does anyone know what that diy electronics project/usb kit thing is called?
[11:19] <syruss> geek kit or something
[11:20] <syruss> it's a usb i/o interface for making leds flash, wiring up lcd displays etc aimed at beginner-ish electronics hobbyists and young adults
[11:21] <syruss> comes with some C code etc to get started
[11:21] <syruss> and also python stuff I think
[11:21] <syruss> ahhh nerdkits
[11:21] <syruss> got it
[11:21] <syruss> :)
[11:28] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17784585 oh could be interesting to see a mozilla phone
[12:05] <BigRedS> anyone else find that anything copied out of the address bar of firefox has 'http://' prepended to it and a '/' appended?
[12:31] <Myrtti> derp. http://imgur.com/ZQanB :-D
[12:52] <ali1234> whut
[12:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Myrtti: I got that too :-)
[12:53] <ali1234> should i not update today then?
[12:57] <Myrtti> ali1234: it was only about flashplayer-nonfree
[12:57] <Myrtti> which still seems to work a-ok
[13:16] <syruss> can anyone recommend a simple gnome dvb-t viewing app?
[13:17] <syruss> tvtime was the last time I did anything like this
[13:17] <syruss> :p
[13:18] <davmor2> syruss: type in dvb-t in software-center  there are a few including a totem plugin (not sure how well that works though) tvtime is still about though
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> the totem (gnome-dvb) bits are a bit crashy
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> at least with my DVB stick
[13:19] <syruss> cool, ta
[13:20] <syruss> dunno if tvtime does dvb..
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> no
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> vlc does
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> but crappily
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> I use w_scan to generate the channel list
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> and mplayer to watch
[13:31] <syruss> hmm
[13:32] <syruss> well me-tv doesn't work at all
[13:32] <syruss> sort of
[13:32] <syruss> hmm
[14:11]  * SuperEngineer notices rom topic that diplo  is still eating baby goats
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> *from
[14:12] <diplo> Nah, my children :)
[14:13] <diplo> So, 12.04... the app bar showing on both screens on dual set up
[14:13] <diplo> Normal behaviour ?
[14:14] <SuperEngineer> wot - the app bar or the kids?
[14:14] <diplo> app bar :)
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> hmm - only comparison I have is on screen - with compiz expo activated [assuming you mean the launcher?] - the launcher is one big bar down side even though all 4 workspaces shown
[14:17] <SuperEngineer> darn! no more kiddie eating for you diplo
[14:17] <Mez> Well... I didn't realise it was release day.
[14:17]  * Mez fails
[14:17] <diplo> 26th isn't it ?
[14:18] <Mez> oh wow - I'm even failing.
[14:18]  * Mez headwalls
[14:18] <Mez> wake me up
[14:19] <agoodm> diplo, you can choose the desired bevaviour in the display setup
[14:20] <bigcalm> The Britannia Adelphi has no hold music
[14:20] <bigcalm> It's most strange
[14:20] <agoodm> surprising for such a bigplace
[14:21] <agoodm> mind you most phone systems only include rubbish hold music
[14:21] <bigcalm> Call now dropped
[14:21] <bigcalm> Blah
[14:21] <agoodm> and most phone systems have support for line level moh input, however most moh players are crap and reliable/good ones are expensive
[14:21] <bigcalm> Will try again later
[14:22] <diplo> Cheers agoodm
[14:22] <agoodm> diplo, my pleasure
[14:43] <JohnRobert> hmm
[14:45] <JohnRobert> anyone know where the dvb transmitter files such as uk-Crystalpalace are in 12.04?
[14:46] <JohnRobert> the files don't seem to be there any more
[14:50] <directhex> JohnRobert, were they ever useful? as compared to scanning yourself?
[14:51] <popey> JohnRobert: dvb-utils
[14:51] <popey>    /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-CrystalPalace
[14:56] <selinuxium> Got this when trying to initialise for the first time.... http://pastebin.com/zM3Qxf90
[14:57] <selinuxium> Anyway... that isn't actually the real question! :)
[14:57] <selinuxium> Can I use Talend to transform a flat text file into data using an overlay..
[14:58] <JohnRobert> cwell turns out my dvb-t thing isn't supported
[14:58] <selinuxium>  Anyway... that isn't actually the real question! :)
[14:58] <selinuxium>  Can I use Talend to transform a flat text file into data using an overlay..
[14:59] <selinuxium> Grr...
[15:12] <davmor2> JohnRobert: do you see the jockey logo in the indicator bar saying there are drivers to install?  normally if it knows about the hw and needs a driver that will trigger
[15:18]  * bigcalm hisses at jockey
[15:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: a nice fresh install is what you need dude done by gord so he can fix it as he goes ;)
[15:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:24] <bigcalm> Doesn't take long to re-set-up a system, so a re-install might be on the cards next weekend or so
[15:25] <Myrtti> nice - flash broke and I can't play Settlers Online anymore :-|
[15:25] <popey> new disks should be here tomorrow
[15:25] <popey> now to plan how to raid them
[15:25] <popey> 8 in one server, 4 in the other
[15:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: that might fix the issue you were having with that workbench app not showing up too
[15:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: maybe so
[15:52] <diplo> I see the dual  monitor support still isn't great
[15:52] <diplo> :/
[15:52]  * diplo trys freshly tomorrow
[15:52] <diplo> Hmm monday would be better
[15:55] <davmor2> http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0808/the-eighties-nostalgia-humor-80s-demotivational-poster-1219688830.jpg how many can you name ?
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> too many
[16:02] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I got 26 and I think there are 30
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> exactly. Too many.
[16:07] <BigRedS> whoop! I'm in london for the release do
[16:13] <bigcalm> Lucky you
[16:13] <popey> yay
[16:13] <popey> also, we're hiring!
[16:14] <davmor2> I'm not I think I'll still be testing stuff
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: again?
[16:14] <popey> https://t.co/eC0w6Dod
[16:14] <popey> yup
[16:14] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: always
[16:14] <popey> stupid twitter
[16:14] <popey> https://plus.google.com/109365858706205035322/posts/b98QuF4rCZ8
[16:14] <popey> gonna be loads more roles coming up over the next few months
[16:14] <popey> crazy amounts of work
[16:16] <BigRedS> I swear Canonical's aiming to get to the point where everyone I know works at canonical
[16:17]  * bigcalm eyes the web-dev role
[16:17] <BigRedS> I even found a distant family member who works for Canonical a few months back
[16:17] <bigcalm> Would be nice to know how much was being offered
[16:32] <davmor2> popey: tell me about it :D
[16:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: they never do
[16:39] <bigcalm> Attack of the clones
[18:03] <daftykins> bug 562640
[18:03] <daftykins> only 2 years on and there's some movement!
[18:12] <davmor2> hmmmm tempting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZcEPLMALxY
[18:14] <JohnRobert> lol
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: could this be your next desktop ^
[18:16] <JohnRobert> shame about the music
[18:17] <daftykins> what a shockingly pants video
[18:17] <daftykins> with yep, nasty music
[18:17] <davmor2> JohnRobert: indeed
[18:17] <JohnRobert> I'm more interested in low powered fanless machines that are cheap
[18:17] <JohnRobert> if I were to get something like that I'd never use it to its full potential at all.. I mostly use..vim and emacs
[18:18] <JohnRobert> I'd maybe try a game for about 5 mins
[18:18] <JohnRobert> getting old :/
[18:18] <JohnRobert> I remember when stuff like that excited me
[18:18] <JohnRobert> :p
[18:18] <daftykins> hardwares too good now really
[18:19] <daftykins> if i upgraded to Ivy Bridge when they're out, i'd be going from a Q6600 on LGA775
[18:19] <daftykins> be hardly any point
[18:19] <daftykins> going to that from an Athlon XP... now that felt different
[18:29] <daftykins> but yeah hardware = yawn these days
[18:29] <daftykins> i like putting it together for others though - all the Christmas morning feeling with no spending!
[18:33] <jacobw> evening
[18:36] <JohnRobert> I
[18:36] <JohnRobert> I'm going to maybe build my dad an ivybridge machine
[18:37] <JohnRobert> as him and his wife are into video editing birds and stuff they see in the forest
[18:37] <JohnRobert> could be quite fun... shame it's windows though
[18:37] <daftykins> ah right
[18:37] <daftykins> tut tut :P
[18:37] <JohnRobert> are there any good vid editing tools in linux yet?
[18:37] <jacobw> yes
[18:37] <daftykins> doubt anyone'd agree if there were
[18:38] <JohnRobert> it's a shame there's nothing of the 'blender' like calibre last time I looked
[18:38] <JohnRobert> without the quotes
[18:39] <jacobw> i think openshot is the most used package
[18:39] <JohnRobert> it's a real shame this chan is logged :/
[18:40] <JohnRobert> like when you say something you regret saying on the wrong channel by accident
[18:40] <jacobw> i'm quite happy with this channel being logged
[18:40] <JohnRobert> I was
[18:41] <JohnRobert> well I guess I still am
[18:43] <ali1234> JohnRobert: nuke, but it is commercial
[18:45] <ali1234> http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/nuke/
[18:46] <JohnRobert> lol, first image that comes up is from tron 3d
[18:46] <JohnRobert> makes me think it might be a bit more than they need
[18:46] <JohnRobert> :p
[18:46] <ali1234> cinelerra is ok, if you can get it to work
[18:47] <popey> davmor2: wow
[18:47] <davmor2> popey: I bet that would run themehospital :D
[18:50] <ali1234> rhythmbox automatically knows as soon as you copy music into the music folder
[18:50] <popey> hah
[18:50] <ali1234> that never worked in banshee...
[18:51] <davmor2> ali1234: that's cause RB rocks
[18:51] <jacobw> inotify?
[18:51] <ali1234> it also knows as soon as you delete stuff
[18:51] <ali1234> yeah probably inotify... i don't really care how it works, i just like that it works :)
[18:51] <jacobw> i've been finding banshee unsatisfactory since version 0.11
[18:52] <davmor2> ali1234: more importantly it knows what track is play in an ogg radio station unlike banshee
[18:52] <ali1234> only thing banshee had going for it was the album view that shows covers (and fetches covers automatically)
[18:52] <ali1234> and the automatic metadata fixing was good too
[18:52] <daftykins> i always found something not to like about both
[18:54] <gordonjcp> ali1234: the not deleting files it can't play thing is good, compared to rhythmbox
[18:55] <ali1234> yeah but with banshee if you go and delete those files from disk they stay in the library, which sucks
[18:55] <ali1234> if you have two copies of an album the tracks are interleaved and you have to manually delete each track
[18:55] <popey> the problem is that if you have music in another folder you can't import (and copy) the files using rb
[18:55] <popey> you can with banshee
[18:55] <ali1234> with rythmbox you just go and delete one of the directories with nautilus and it is gone
[18:56] <ali1234> yeah with rhythmbox you don't have to import music that way
[18:56] <davmor2> popey: you can it's the import option in the menu
[18:56] <ali1234> just copy the music with nautilus
[18:56] <ali1234> and it appears in rhythmbox
[18:56] <ali1234> that means you can use tools designed for copying files for copying files
[18:57] <ali1234> and tools designed for playing music for playing music
[18:57] <ali1234> instead of having to use the tool for playing music to copy the files
[18:57] <popey> davmor2: no, it isnt
[18:57] <popey> i have a folder full of mp3s
[18:58] <popey> if I import to rb, it leaves them where they are
[18:58] <popey> it doesn't move/copy them to ~/Music
[18:58] <ali1234> that's what it should do
[18:58] <popey> which I want it to do
[18:58] <ali1234> if you want to move or copy them, use nautilus
[18:58] <popey> nah, it should be optional like banshee
[18:58] <ali1234> no it shouldn't
[18:58] <ali1234> it should not exist as an option
[18:58] <popey> ok, i dont care what you think, i want this
[18:58] <popey> and banshee does it
[18:58] <popey> so i have used that
[18:58] <ali1234> copying the files in nautilus automaticaly imports them anyway
[18:58] <davmor2> popey: ah sorry I thought that was what you were getting at my bag
[18:58] <popey> not the way i want
[18:59] <popey> the folder is full of mp3s, I want them in separate folders ~/Music/band name/album name/track.mp3
[18:59] <popey> and banshee will do that (optionally) for me, rb wont
[18:59] <ali1234> that whole copy on import was really dumb
[18:59] <popey> it was off by default
[18:59] <ali1234> if i just want to play the music on an external drive i don't want to wait 8 hours for it to copy all 500GB of it
[19:00] <ali1234> if i do want to copy it then i'll use the file manager because that's what it is for
[19:00] <davmor2> popey: ah I'm pretty sure there was a plugin that did better organising but I might of been dreaming
[19:00] <davmor2> popey: that or mixing banshee's plugins and RB's
[19:00] <daftykins> i seem to remember a player having copy on import on as default
[19:00] <ali1234> also, it wasn't off by default originally
[19:01] <daftykins> ^
[19:01] <daftykins> however arguing that an option shouldn't be present is unproductive, if you don't use it you don't use it
[19:01] <ali1234> ha
[19:02] <ali1234> so when we going to get the option for launcher dodge back then?
[19:02] <daftykins> what's more relevant is Guernsey getting given US keyboard layouts! GOD DAMN IT!
[19:03] <daftykins> ah yes i was gonna confirm that with a VM
[19:03] <daftykins> time to download Precise desktop beta 2 to Guernsey
[19:03] <daftykins> \o/
[19:03] <davmor2> ali1234: popey: Album art fetcher and file organizing http://live.gnome.org/RhythmboxPlugins/ThirdParty
[19:03] <ali1234> yeah but does it actually display it?
[19:04] <ali1234> http://banshee-media-player.2283330.n4.nabble.com/file/n4269338/Screenshot-Banshee_Media_Player-1.png
[19:08] <gordonjcp> does anyone in here use tcpreplay, and if they do would you care to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcpreplay/+bug/971990
[20:26] <ali1234> Azelphur: yer website's broken
[20:26] <Azelphur> which one
[20:26] <ali1234> azelphur.com
[20:26] <Azelphur> ah, I moved to blog.azelphur.com
[20:26] <Azelphur> I should probably redirect azelphur.com to it
[20:26] <ali1234> at least put some adverts on it or something
[20:27] <Azelphur> haha
[20:39] <jacobw> what does one use if one does not use wordpress?
[20:41] <ali1234> drupal
[20:41] <ali1234> but wordpress is miles better
[20:41] <Azelphur> if by better you mean worse
[20:41]  * Azelphur runs
[20:41] <ali1234> by better i mean "supports the ability to put images on your webpage"
[20:41] <jacobw> i'll learn django one day
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> http://www.myspace.com/djangotime !
[20:43] <jacobw> ah, yes :)
[20:43] <jacobw> btw, i still hate perl
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: But Perl loves you
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: We're going to do a project in python at work!
[20:44] <jacobw> \o/
[20:46] <JohnRobert> I'm writing a plugin for wordpress right now
[20:46] <JohnRobert> wp is alright
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: poor you
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> uihr
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> JohnRobert: poor you
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> it's php
[20:46] <JohnRobert> nothing wrong with php
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> JohnRobert: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[20:47] <JohnRobert> lol
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Nothing funny about that page :(
[20:48] <JohnRobert> sounds like your nitpicking
[20:48] <JohnRobert> :p
[20:48] <JohnRobert> sure it's scrappy
[20:48] <JohnRobert> but it does the job
[20:48] <jacobw> crackers love php
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> until you need to maintain your code a few months from now, because the PHP people decided to throw out a language feature without warning
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> or add one named just like your function
[20:50] <JohnRobert> wow
[20:50] <JohnRobert> that is a big article
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Exactly :)
[20:50] <JohnRobert> I've been coding php for about...too long
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> never too soon to learn python ;)
[20:50] <JohnRobert> I know a bit of python, I've dabbled
[20:51] <JohnRobert> ultimately it's probably harder for me to be a web developer if I'm a python programmer
[20:51] <JohnRobert> your blog argument seems to be based on the ideal world rather than the real world.
[20:52] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: how so (re python making it hard to be a web dev)
[20:52] <JohnRobert> in an ideal world, I'd stop what I'm doing right now and carefully plan my project out with pencil and paper, learn a more robust language etc etc
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: because you have to think before you type ;)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: and thinking is HARD :P
[20:52] <JohnRobert> well for a start, when my client asks me to write her a wordpress plugin it's going to be harder in python.
[20:52] <JohnRobert> especially seeing as she wants it to run on her webserver
[20:52] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: well that's just being stupid
[20:52] <gordonjcp> of *course* it is
[20:52] <JohnRobert> why?
[20:53] <gordonjcp> that's like my client asking me to make her a cylinder head gasket out of bread
[20:53] <hamitron> isn't it better harder?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: that's what SHE said.
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[20:53] <hamitron> hang on, I didnt mean that
[20:53] <hamitron> >:|
[20:53] <gordonjcp> I make really really good bread, but it's totally unsuitable for high-compression high-temperature environments
[20:53] <hamitron> if it is harder.... it is harder for them to replace you ;)
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: ah the job security argument :)
[20:54] <JohnRobert> put it this way, would it make sense for me to stop what I'm doing.. learn python, learn to find work with python etc..etc..
[20:54] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: it depends
[20:54] <JohnRobert> maybe become homeless in the process
[20:54] <jacobw> its not mutually exclusive
[20:55] <JohnRobert> there are a lot more php jobs than python
[20:55] <JohnRobert> etc
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> Most people only need one job :)
[20:55] <JohnRobert> your argument certainly holds weight for hobbyists though
[20:55] <gordonjcp> JohnRobert: if you're freelancing and the customer could not be persuaded with a big stick to care about what you use to construct the site, then you may find that Python works better for you
[20:55] <JohnRobert> I like python
[20:55] <gordonjcp> certainly one of the big uberframeworks like Django will take a hell of a lot of the work out of it
[20:56] <JohnRobert> I wrote something to scrape a site once with beautiful soup and python once
[20:56] <JohnRobert> was fun
[20:56] <JohnRobert> and pleasing
[20:56] <gordonjcp> flask is nice
[20:56] <ali1234> making a plugin for wordpress really is extremely easy
[20:56] <ali1234> much easier than writing a django module
[20:56] <daftykins> hmm, i wonder if i should avoid sleeping in this freshly painted room tonight... (only one wall painted mind!)
[20:56] <ali1234> i love python and hate php but it is still easier
[20:59] <gordonjcp> daftykins: I just sprayed a lot of my bedroom wall with mould killer, having found mould growing under the wallpaper
[20:59] <gordonjcp> so, that's me sleeping either in the living room or the studio
[20:59] <daftykins> yeah that stuff can be strong
[20:59] <gordonjcp> ali1234: I don't think it's easier to write a wordpress plugin than a django app
[20:59] <gordonjcp> but <shrug>
[21:00] <ali1234> oh it really is
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I've written more django apps than wp plugins, so maybe it's down to experience
[21:00] <ali1234> i've written two django apps and one wp plugin
[21:00] <gordonjcp> well, for one thing, the wp plugin is in php
[21:00] <gordonjcp> which isn't really human-readable
[21:00] <ali1234> i agree
[21:00] <ali1234> but yo can work around that
[21:01] <ali1234> if you split your code out using semi-MVC style
[21:01] <ali1234> django needs way more boilerplate than it should for a python app
[21:02] <gordonjcp> not sure what you mean, there
[21:02] <ali1234> but a django app is a lot more than a plugin
[21:02] <ali1234> i mean a wp plugin extends wordpress
[21:03] <ali1234> with django there is nothing to extend, you are starting from scratch when it comes to user facing stuff
[21:03] <ali1234> you can't really compare them
[21:04] <ali1234> if you want a standard blog with some custom feature you will get it a lot easier from wordpress
[21:04] <ali1234> but if you want a totally custom site then django will be easier
[21:06] <gordonjcp> well yeah, django is a framework
[21:06] <gordonjcp> it is more like cakephp than wordpress
[21:06] <ali1234> wordpress offers a framework too
[21:06] <gordonjcp> I guess wordpress would be more like mezzanine
[21:07] <ali1234> but it is a framework centered around blogs rather than completely generic
[21:14] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/111104121194250082892/posts/D2feRNc6R4d intersting read
[21:15] <AlanBell> so is this https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/FDBTM3JPKT8
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> LOLpopey
[21:16] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I didn't really understand that patch thing very much (I can see Alan Cox isn't that impressed)
[21:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ROFLOL
[21:17] <daftykins> he's not happy with his mapaint shades
[21:17] <daftykins> *mspaint
[21:18] <DJones> AlanBell: Wierdest thing, as I clicked on that link, guess which advert came on the tv
[21:18] <AlanBell> was it epic?
[21:18] <daftykins> toilet duck
[21:18] <DJones> It was definately an epic advert, much better than the gocompare ad's
[21:19] <ali1234> are those shades photoshopped on?
[21:20] <AlanBell> what shades?
[21:21] <ali1234> on alan cox's profile picture
[21:21] <AlanBell> well I seriously doubt that photoshop had anything to do with it
[21:22] <ali1234> well clearly, photoshop would have done a much better job of it
[21:22] <ali1234> someone call the seams police
[21:22]  * hamitron worries why guys in here are looking at profile pictures of such people
[21:22] <daftykins> see where i said 'mspaint'
[21:22] <daftykins> hamitron: you don't find him hawt?
[21:22] <daftykins> :P
[21:22] <hamitron> ;)
[21:23] <daftykins> brb moving stuff downstairs, decided working away in a recently painted room is probably bad for my health
[21:29] <daftykins> kinda handy having an empty 4 bed place to move around in XD
[21:33] <daftykins> wow, tough crowd
[21:34] <DJones> Heh
[22:42] <dogmatic69> whats the chances of running diablo III on ubuntu 12?
[22:44] <hamitron> does it run on wine?
[22:44] <hamitron> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=13484
[22:45] <hamitron> looking good
[22:54] <dogmatic69> :O
[22:54] <dogmatic69> if is good \o/


[00:31] <micahg> how can someone add a bugwatch to a duplicate bug?
[00:31] <maxb> Hrm... is the branch scanner broken?
[00:36] <micahg> I seem to have trouble deleting bugwatches on edge
[00:36] <micahg> same on production
[00:39] <micahg> bac: I'm getting a problem connecting to LP page
[00:44] <spm> maxb: possibly. we're chasing atm. it seems to be working, but we're showing massive delays.
[00:51] <rockstar> maxb, can you show me an example branch?
[00:53] <rockstar> Er, an example of the scanner being broken.
[01:02] <maxb> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/use-hashlib has been pushed for some time now
[01:03] <spm> bleh nothing in the branch sccaner log matching that
[01:03] <maxb> just a massive backlog, then?
[01:04] <rockstar> maxb, actually, that looks like the mirror-puller might have issues.  spm and I are chasing now.
[01:19] <spm> maxb: looks like an unnamed individual has managed to hog the mirror-puller; stuff was still happening; but sufficiently slowly - it impacts on everyone else
[01:27] <maxb> *blink*
[01:27] <maxb> Just how many branches do you have to push to do that !
[01:28] <mwhudson> it's usually mirrored branches that screw things up
[01:40] <doctormo> Using a branch object, why is the url attribute always empty? I'm trying to find the url that bzr uses for it's branches but I don't think lp is able to provide it.
[01:41] <maxb> doctormo: um, more context please?
[01:42] <james_w> doctormo: the url is probably misnamed, it doesn't provide that information
[01:42] <doctormo> james_w: Thanks
[01:43] <james_w> doctormo: you can manipulate self_link to get a url for the branch
[01:43] <doctormo> My branch listing process is so slow, loading in owners, urls and other data. Although I think checking the owner team members is killed it.
[01:43] <maxb> james_w: UDD question... having determined that an import failure is likely because an upstream-FOO tag is in the wrong branch.... is there any good way to test that out locally?
[01:44] <james_w> maxb: you can grab the import-scripts branch and do ./import_package.py <package name>
[01:44] <james_w> pass --no-push to not push
[01:45] <james_w> --no-existing to start from the beginning without re-using the branches on LP
[01:45] <maxb> ah, yes, but I want it to try importing using a local copy of the LP branches which I've moved a tag around in
[01:46] <james_w> that's probably fairly easy to do with a bit of code
[01:46] <maxb> ok, I'll have a hack
[01:46] <james_w> see the BranchStore class in icommon.py
[01:46] <james_w> if that is the cause it is probably because of a missing merge of the tags
[01:47] <james_w> bzr doesn't merge the tags when you merge branches, so you have to do it as an explicit step
[01:47] <maxb> The case I'm looking at, the upstream-x.y.z tag is in the ubuntu branch not the debian branch, where the upstream was independently imported into both
[02:23] <DBO> anyone else having issues pushing code?
[02:25] <DBO> oh there we go
[03:21] <persia> Did something change in the AJAX subscription UI recently?  I just ended up on a non-ajax subscribe self and/or teams page ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-video-displaylink/+subscribe )
[03:21] <persia> I had thought those had all been removed (and have one invalid and one wontfix bug related to them under the assumption they have gone)
[03:22] <wgrant> persia: I occasionally get there by clicking on the link too quickly.
[03:22] <wgrant> (before the JavaScript has turned the non-AJAX link into an AJAXy one)
[03:23] <wgrant> The old forms are still there, so things still work if JS is turned off.
[03:23] <persia> That may have been what I did.  Are the old pages still there to support non-ajax browsers?
[03:23] <wgrant> Right.
[03:23] <persia> Aha!  Now I think the state of my bugs is wrong.
[03:23] <persia> It's still possible to get to the exceedingly annoying page where one can't do the obvious subscribing oneself while unsubscribing a team (or vice-versa).
[03:24] <persia> So the page is still buggy, although the related bug has been declared irrelevant because of the AJAX UI.
[03:24]  * persia decides it doesn't matter enough, but would prefer a consistent interface
[04:50] <mbt> Hi, I have made a new release of my project (AllTray) that is a minor bugfix release out of the maintenance branch. However, it seems that it doesn't want to show up on the front page for downloads. I don't want it at the top, ahead of my trunk releases, but I want it after the 0.70 release from historic, and it won't seem to go.
[04:51] <mbt> Am I doing something wrong here?  https://edge.launchpad.net/alltray/+download
[04:53] <mwhudson> mbt: what's your new release called?
[04:53] <mbt> 0.71, from the old-maintenance branch.
[04:53] <mwhudson> ah
[04:53] <mwhudson> maybe it's because the series is different?
[04:53] <mbt> I would like to push the historic releases "down"; as it is, the release that I just made won't even show up on the first page of downloads
[04:54] <mbt> I expect trunk to show up first, and it does---but then I expect historic to be last since it's obsolete and old-maintenance is the current 'stable', so I'd expect that to display after trunk
[04:56] <mwhudson> mbt: the series are sorted as if the names are version numbers
[04:57] <mbt> oh... so i have to rename the series to change the sort order?
[04:57] <wgrant> That's how series are intended to be used, but that doesn't seem to be conveyed very well.
[04:57] <mwhudson> looks like it
[04:57] <mbt> eww.
[04:57] <mwhudson> i had to read the code to figure this out, i certainly didn't know it off the top of my head
[04:58] <mbt> that'll break existing branches, though, if I do that, won't it.
[04:58] <mbt> or at least, their references.
[04:59] <mwhudson> mbt: it will change the lp:alltray/old-maintenance names
[04:59] <mbt> Well, wait a minute... trunk, historic-releases, old-maintenance... in that order, so I guess it's sorted by development focus first, then alphabetically?
[04:59] <mwhudson> but they don't tend to get stored by things
[05:00] <mbt> I should probably file a bug to ask to sort "obsolete" series last.
[05:00] <mwhudson> mbt: yes
[05:00] <mwhudson> mbt: that sounds like a very good idea
[05:00] <mbt> What's the code hosting component called again?
[05:01] <mwhudson> launchpad-code
[05:01] <mwhudson> but!
[05:01] <mwhudson> this bug should be filed against launchpad-registry probably
[05:01] <mbt> Oh.
[05:01] <mbt> I can do that. :)
[05:01] <mwhudson> thanks
[05:01]  * mwhudson runs away to make dinner
[05:03] <mbt> Oh.
[05:03] <mbt> Bug 490945.
[08:11] <nigel_nb> spm, is Lp's gnome bug tracker broken?
[08:18] <thekorn> nigel_nb, what do you mean by launchpa's gnome bugtracker? the auto sync of upstream bug status?
[08:18] <nigel_nb> yep
[08:19] <thekorn> I think it is disabled, there was an annoucement somewhere
[08:20] <nigel_nb> thekorn, oh! any specific reason?
[08:21] <thekorn> nigel_nb, don't know, cannot remember correctly, plus I'm unable to find it right now
[08:21] <nigel_nb> thekorn, np.  thanks for letting me know :)
[08:41] <om26er> why bug emails come late as compared to answers ?
[08:41] <wgrant> om26er: They are batched, so each separate change doesn't come in its own email.
[08:42] <wgrant> Changes made by the same person within a few minutes will all come in the one email.
[08:42] <om26er> wgrant, hmm, thanks
[09:44] <solsTiCe> hi. i found strange that i am able to modify the orignal post for a bug whereas i am not the orignal poster. ironically, i am not able to modify my own last post, but change theb ug report ! there is a bug in the bugtracker ;-)
[09:59] <nigel_nb> solsTiCe, you can change any bug report, though you cannot change the comments to a bug
[10:01] <wgrant> The bug description may be changed at any time.
[10:01] <wgrant> Comments may not.
[10:31] <FloSoft`> hi, one question: why does sometimes it happen that the status is not tracked in the targeted release? like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/s25rttr/+bug/518404
[10:31] <wgrant> FloSoft`: If the development series task is set to "Won't Fix", the main task becomes active again.
[10:32] <FloSoft`> how to change that?
[10:32] <FloSoft`> so its tracked again in the release?
[10:32] <wgrant> Change it to something other than Won't Fix.
[10:33] <FloSoft`> ah okay ;-)
[10:33] <FloSoft`> is it so one can "fix it" in another release?
[11:08] <Lamba> anyone here good with bzr ? - i just lost my net connection during a push and it's all gone a bit sideways. - on a new push bzr is saying its unable to obtain a lock and suggests to use "break-lock" but bzr then gives "error unsupported protocol for url" when i try that.
[11:11] <Meths> Lamba: There's more activity in #bzr than here at the moment, may want to ask there.
[11:11] <Lamba> kk
[11:29] <james_w> OOPS-1501EA207
[11:31] <Lamba> fixed. for future reference, break-lock lp:~username  works. break-lock sftp  or break-lock bzr+ssh dont, although they give no obvious error.
[11:31] <wgrant> Lamba: They should work fine. What do they do?
[11:33] <Lamba> nothing :P - just drop back to prompt.
[11:33] <wgrant> Which URLs did you try?
[11:34] <Lamba> sftp:lp//~username/project/trunk
[11:34] <wgrant> Ah. That's not a valid URL.
[11:34] <Lamba> yea. no error though.
[11:34] <wgrant> lp:~user/project/branch aliases to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:35] <Lamba> ah. ok. thanks :D
[15:59] <gerard_> there seems to be some problems with importing lp:warzone2100 from svn
[16:00] <gerard_> we're at r9751 but it's stuck at r6897
[16:00] <gerard_> or... let me check, sec
[16:01] <gerard_> heh, nvm
[16:01] <gerard_> that's just bzr and svn having different revision numbers
[16:26] <kirkland> I can't reach this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ecryptfs-devel/+mailinglist-moderate
[16:26] <kirkland> I suspect because there are thousands of spam messages awaiting approval
[16:26] <kirkland> help?
[16:30] <bigjools> hey kirkland
[16:30] <kirkland> bigjools: yo
[16:30] <bigjools> I enjoyed your NZ blog :)
[16:30] <kirkland> bigjools: thanks!
[16:30] <bigjools> and somewhat jealous - I spent a lot of time trekking around there
[16:30] <kirkland> bigjools: evidently my LP presentation was "too enthusiastic" though
[16:31] <kirkland> bigjools: heh
[16:31] <kirkland> bigjools: so that mailing list receives dozens of spams per day
[16:31] <bigjools> I'll find someone to help with your problem
[16:31] <kirkland> bigjools: so many that i just quit moderating
[16:31] <bigjools> ok
[16:31] <kirkland> bigjools: and basically i only go to the page when someone complains that their message doesn't get through
[16:31] <kirkland> bigjools: is there any spam filtering that is, or can be done on the LP side?
[16:32] <kirkland> bigjools: otherwise, i just need to get in there and clean out months of spam messages
[16:32] <bigjools> I have no idea!
[16:32] <bigjools> but I know a man who does
[16:32] <kirkland> bigjools: cool, thanks
[16:32] <bigjools> maybe barry does, even though he's not on LP at the moment?
[16:33] <bac> hi
[16:33] <kirkland> bigjools: or, if a mailing can be configured such that only members of the team can post
[16:33]  * bac reads backwards
[16:34] <kirkland> hi bac
[16:34] <bigjools> heh, didn't see bac in my list of users since he's at the top as an op
[16:34] <kirkland> bac: let me know what you need from me
[16:34] <bac> hi dustin
[16:34] <bac> kirkland: AIUI mailing lists in LP don't have a lot of configurability
[16:35] <bac> kirkland: what team are you referring to?
[16:35] <kirkland> bac: yeah, no offense, but they're really pretty bad
[16:35] <kirkland> bac: ecryptfs-devel
[16:35] <bac> kirkland: i'll pass that sentiment on to barry!  :)
[16:35] <kirkland> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ecryptfs-devel/+mailinglist-moderate
[16:35] <kirkland> bac: ;-)
[16:35] <kirkland> bac: make sure you include the "no offense" part :-)
[16:36] <bigjools> haha
[16:36] <persia> Wasn't there a bug about getting CLI mailman access to the LP mailing lists?
[16:36] <persia> That might help sort things more quickly.
[16:38] <bac> kirkland: i think we're going to have to wait until barry can provide some answers.
[16:38] <kirkland> bac: okey
[16:41] <barry> bac, kirkland wassup?
[16:42] <bac> barry: dustin has a LP-based mailing list with only 4 members that is getting spammed to death
[16:42] <bac> barry: is there a way to configure 'only post by members'?
[16:43] <barry> yeah, but the problem is that mailing lists is not the right place to be doing spam detection.  we really need spamassassin in the mta.  i think there's an open rt about that
[16:44] <barry> bac: no, however non-lp users cannot email any mailing list, so if you've identified lp users who are spamming, we need to disable their accounts
[16:44] <kirkland> barry: spamassasin would be great
[16:44] <kirkland> barry: in the short term, i can't access the moderation page
[16:44] <barry> persia: yes, there is an open bug about api access to mlists.  will probaby happen after lucid
[16:44] <barry> kirkland: because it's timing out?
[16:44] <kirkland> barry: i suspect because there's too many messages in queue
[16:44] <kirkland> barry: yeah
[16:45] <barry> lovely
[16:46] <barry> the only thing i can think of for "right now" is to get some losa love to clear them out.  not a fun thought for them though :/
[16:47] <kirkland> barry: okay, well, they will get lots of love back from the hot russians ladies messaging that list
[16:47] <barry> kirkland: there's always a silver lining! :)
[16:48] <kirkland> barry: so there's 2-3 messages of the hundreds that i'm trying to allow through
[16:48] <barry> kirkland: do you know which those are? message-ids?
[16:48] <kirkland> hmm
[16:51] <barry> kirkland: if you don't that's okay.  it would make the clear out a little simpler i think
[16:51] <kirkland><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:51] <kirkland> barry: i'd like to white-list that user
[16:51] <kirkland> barry: and i'm looking for the 1 other
[16:51] <barry> kirkland: once that message is approved, they automatically get whitelisted
[17:02] <barry> kirkland: please send me an email with the message-ids of the messages you want to allow and i will try to get some losa time to figure out how to clear your queue
[17:02] <kirkland> barry: i can't find them; just clear out everything
[17:02] <kirkland> barry: and i'll hope for spamassassin in the future
[17:03] <kirkland> barry: and i'll apologize profusely to the legit users who's messages have been blocked
[17:03] <barry> kirkland: cool
[17:03] <kirkland> barry: thanks for your help
[17:04] <barry> kirkland: this is for the ~ecryptfs-devel mailing list, right?
[17:09] <kirkland> barry: yessir
[17:09] <kirkland> barry: though ~ecryptfs-users is equally fscked
[17:11] <barry> kirkland: what is it about crypto that brings out the spammers and crazies? :)
[17:46] <mtaylor> is there no way to get at blueprints via launchpad lib?
[17:46] <maxb> mtaylor: AFAIK, the answer is if it's not on https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc, it's not possible
[17:47] <maxb> I can quite believe that no one got around to exposing blueprints APIs
[17:47] <mtaylor> maxb: lovely... there is an object in that api called specification, but the docs for it refer to bugs
[17:47] <mtaylor> maxb: even though there is a bug object
[17:48] <mtaylor> maxb: I'm gonna go with "no one got around to exposing it"
[17:49] <persia> maxb: I thought the answer was "If it's not in +apidoc, patches to expose it would be welcome"?
[17:50] <maxb> s/not possible/not possible yet/ :-)
[19:14] <micahg> I seem to be having trouble deleting bug watches
[19:28] <micahg> it seems that only admins can delete watches with comments imported
[20:02] <YokoZar> Maybe I'm a complete nit, but has the upstream bug linking been completely moved somewhere?  I can't figure out how to link an upstream bug on edge atm
[20:03] <micahg> YokoZar: also affects project
[20:03] <YokoZar> I click Also Affects Project -> see no place to enter URL for upstream bug (this is where I used to do it).  I click "Also Affects Distribution" and if I paste the link in the url box there I'm told that Ubuntu uses launchpad.
[20:04] <micahg> YokoZar: you need to select the project
[20:05] <YokoZar> micahg: Why?  Launchpad used to figure that automatically from the bug url.  It's also not helpful that Wine is on the 4th page of the search results for "Wine"
[20:05] <micahg> YokoZar: no, it only works if the upstream is set, is this for wine in Ubuntu?
[20:07] <YokoZar> Yeah
[20:08] <micahg> YokoZar: wine or wine1.2?
[20:09] <YokoZar> micahg: ah hah, that's the issue, I hadn't set the upstream project for wine1.2 yet I think
[20:09] <micahg> YokoZar: yep, it's not set
[20:09] <YokoZar> now how to actually do that...
[20:10] <micahg> YokoZar: I'll take care of it, but it's done on the package page by clicking the set upstream link
[21:13]  * lamont has a question on archive publishing...
[21:14] <lamont> lets say I had something like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090513 and a pile of disk..  does launchpad have the ability to give me an apt repo with the contents of that packaged up pretty, ala archive.u.c?
[21:14] <lamont> wgrant: around?
[21:14] <wgrant> wgrant: I am.
[21:14] <wgrant> lamont: You cannot publish that archive without code changes.
[21:14] <wgrant> Small changes, but changes all the same.
[21:15] <lamont> wgrant: know now that I have a big pile of disk and a fat pipe to the librarian that want to do just that.  sometime this month.
[21:15] <lamont> well, with a copy of lucid, but still.....
[21:15] <lamont> I'd even settle for a chunk of launchpad-lib abusing code to rip URLs to fetch debs and src files from to craft such an archive
[21:16] <wgrant> That disk might well have to be on cocoplum. Let me check.
[21:16] <lamont> mcmurdo, but whatever.
[21:16] <wgrant> I mean, there may be Soyuz limitations that restrict it to being published to cocoplum.
[21:17] <lamont> ah, well.  surviviable
[21:17] <lamont> albeit with much grumbling
[21:18] <wgrant> Although I may be wrong.
[21:18] <lamont> (as in, "I'LL FILE BUGS, dammit....")
[21:18]  * wgrant is hunting.
[21:19] <lamont> ew.  that whole thing is "binary packages awaiting publication"
[21:19] <wgrant> Yes.
[21:19] <wgrant> The key bit is whether process-accepted is running over that yet.
[21:20] <wgrant> It's not.
[21:20] <wgrant> So you could publish it just about anywhere.
[21:20] <lamont> \o/
[21:20] <wgrant> Assuming you can convince Soyuz to schedule it...
[21:20] <lamont> are the steps to do that documented somewhere I can see?
[21:21] <wgrant> It involves hacking some code to allow publishing COPY archives, and mangling DB permissions, so no.
[21:22] <lamont> for this round, I'd accept an SQL query that gave me a dump of what URLs to grab from the librarian and what to call them in the archive...  I'm not picky
[21:22] <lamont> though  doing it with lplib would be far preferable
[21:22] <lamont> to sql, that is
[21:22] <wgrant> You can do it through launchpadlib.
[21:23] <wgrant> But it would make Launchpad cry, I think.
[21:23] <lamont> cry how? load, or because it got left out of the loop?
[21:23] <wgrant> You should really talk to Soyuz and see how quickly they can get this done...
[21:23] <mwhudson> load
[21:23] <wgrant> Load.
[21:23] <lamont> the goal is to temporarily publish that, not permanently...
[21:23] <wgrant> You'd be making tens of thousands of expensive calls.
[21:23] <lamont> 15000 :-D
[21:24] <lamont> that's only 1.5 tens of thousands.
[21:24] <wgrant> *2 due to the two archs?
[21:24] <lamont> oh meh
[21:24] <lamont> *6
[21:24] <lamont> how ugly an sql query would it be?
[21:24] <wgrant> It was only a two-arch rebuild.
[21:25] <lamont> ah, well that's nice of us
[21:25] <lamont> in the future fantasy land, I expect ports will want to play along, too
[21:25] <wgrant> Nobody really want to DoS the distro builders for months.
[21:25] <lamont> yeah - before ports got to play, I'd have to finish up the "let's use the livecd buildd as a buildd when it's not building livecds" thing
[21:26] <lamont> 50% more buildds for ia64/ppc/sparc could do nothing but help
[21:26] <wgrant> Plus ideally restrict the rebuild to a subset of the available builders.
[21:26] <lamont> wgrant: it's not enough that it scores below universe?
[21:27] <wgrant> lamont: Not if you get three long-running builds on the builders at once.
[21:27] <lamont> right
[21:28] <lamont> well, restricted pools should be there soon, we just need to have it htb-ized
[21:28] <lamont> a dedicated subset of buildds for the rebuild-test, and all of the buildds for the main archive.
[21:28] <wgrant> So, the SQL to get what you want isn't terribly difficult.
[21:29] <wgrant> But you might as well just get archivepublisher hacked up to do what you want. It's not that difficult, and would surely make things a little less messy.
[21:29] <wgrant> The need isn't going to go away, so it might as well be fixed properly now.
[21:30] <lamont> who is the right person for me to lean on?
[21:30] <wgrant> bigjools
[21:31] <lamont> cool
[21:31] <lamont> brb
[21:35] <noctiphile> Was it ever determined why after upgrading to 9.10 so many lost their wireless connections?
[21:35] <Ursinha> noctiphile: hmm, I guess you should ask in #ubuntu instead
[21:35] <Ursinha> noctiphile: this is a Launchpad related stuff channel
[21:36] <noctiphile> I'm about to post the problem in Launchpad if there isn't a quick answer to the question.
[21:37] <wgrant> Try asking in #ubuntu.
[21:37] <Ursinha> noctiphile: that's ok, considering Ubuntu bug tracker is in Launchpad :)
[21:37] <wgrant> Launchpad has nothing to do with your wireless!
[21:38] <Ursinha> noctiphile: but still, you'll hardly have your answer here just because this isn't an Ubuntu channel :)
[21:41] <lamont> launchpad doesn't get to use wireless
[21:42] <wgrant> You know, I really hate custom uploads.
[21:42] <wgrant> They make everything so much harder.
[21:43] <persia> custom uploads?
[21:44] <wgrant> Binary uploads that contain stuff like debian-installer or translations tarballs.
[21:45] <wgrant> They way they are implemented is a little inconvenient, as they are only published to disk once, at accept time.
[21:53] <jcastro> kfogel: ping
[21:54] <jcastro> thumper: ping
[21:54] <thumper> jcastro: hi
[21:55] <jcastro> hi!
[21:55] <jcastro> seg|ars is writing an article about launchpad for ars technica
[21:55] <thumper> jcastro: yes...
[21:55] <jcastro> and I need to link him up with you folks, as his deadline got assigned to tonight, he doesn't have time for a full interview, so an insightful quote of somekind would be useful.
[21:56] <thumper> jcastro: quote about what?
[21:56] <jcastro> basically an insight on which aspects of lp you think are the most compelling enablers of collaboration
[21:57] <thumper> hmm...
[21:57] <thumper> when is his deadline?
[21:57] <thumper> jcastro: as in, how many hours?
[21:57] <jcastro> seg|ars: ^^^
[21:57] <seg|ars> thumper: what aspect of LP do you think has had the biggest impact on the way that users collaborate on software development?
[21:57] <seg|ars> I've got until about 10pm
[21:58] <thumper> seg|ars: well, 10pm for me is another 11 hours away, how long do you have?
[21:58] <seg|ars> I have about 8 hours
[21:58] <thumper> ok
[21:59] <thumper> seg|ars: my thoughts come much more from a code hosting point of view, whereas if you asked kfogel he may have others too
[21:59] <seg|ars> that's cool
[21:59] <jcastro> thumper: yeah I was hoping to snag as many of you from different parts as possible
[22:00] <thumper> seg|ars: I think that the way that launchpad can be project focused rather than just person focused helps a lot as it is easy to see branches from other contributors
[22:00] <thumper> seg|ars: bzr integrates really nicely with launchpad, and allows anyone to commit to their own branch
[22:00] <thumper> seg|ars: and still have it related to a project
[22:00] <thumper> seg|ars: the way we have code reviews integrated suggest to developers that they should think about it
[22:01] <thumper> seg|ars: people can propose their branches for merging easily, and the right people get notified
[22:01] <thumper> seg|ars: conversations can then ensue around the proposed changes with a view to getting contributions into mainline
[22:03] <thumper> seg|ars: I have to head out for a bit, but will be around later to address more comments
[22:03] <seg|ars> thanks, I appreciate your comments
[23:51] <thumper> seg|ars: ping
[23:53] <seg|ars> hey


[00:53] <jrwren> i hope they aren't advocating for snaps
[01:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm suffering snaps, not enjoying them
[01:52] <Scary_Guy> Flatpak > snap
[14:35] <jrwren> IIRC popos has done a good job of packaging things that ubuntu has moved to snap only.
[14:36] <jrwren> unless you are suffering snaps for server things, in which case... have you heard of nix? :)
[14:36] <jrwren> i finally used nix for something, on ubuntu, not nixos, and its impressive.
[19:02] <jrwren> wow... Jono advocating for anti-privacy: https://www.jonobacon.com/2021/06/01/how-to-track-link-clicks-with-utm-codes/
[19:02] <jrwren> didn't he used to advocate for privacy?
[20:55] <cmaloney> I'm not sure, but his consulting business got way less interesting to me over the years.
[20:56] <cmaloney> something something RSS feeds
[20:57] <cmaloney> Apparently he fixed that. I recall when full-text RSS feeds weren't a thing


[02:11] <Scary_Guy> Try OpenBSD instead, that will go away :P
[18:01] <greg-g> jrwren_: godspeed https://nypost.com/2024/02/15/business/cisco-to-lay-off-more-than-4000-employees-to-focus-on-ai/
[18:02] <cmaloney> Yeah, same
[18:02] <cmaloney> I saw that and thought immediately of you
[18:03] <jrwren_> I did not get laid off.
[18:03] <jrwren_> thank you for your thoughts.
[18:04] <cmaloney> <3
[18:04] <jrwren_> I'm actually 50/50 on it.  I'd welcome a layoff, but also, my job pays very well. I like the pay. So when I found out I was both relieved and disappointed.
[18:05] <cmaloney> jrwren_: I know that feeling well
[18:20] <greg-g> jrwren_: whew, glad to hear it
[18:21] <greg-g> hah, and yeah, severance ain't a bad thing to get
[18:21] <greg-g> I want to figure out how to get fired when I'm ready to retire :P
[18:24] <jrwren_> cisco did this cool thing this year... if you are retiring (short list of conditions) you don't lose your RSUs. they vest when you retire.
[18:24] <jrwren_> a very nice benefit
[18:26] <greg-g> oh that is nice
[18:26] <greg-g> still waiting for my wikistock :)
[18:29] <cmaloney> walesbucks
[20:19] <greg-g> :)


[00:50] <bryceh> rbasak, thanks
[00:58] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[01:04] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[01:04] <tsimonq2> Feel free to ping with any specific requests.
[08:56] <Fantu> hi, someone can sync blueman from debian for fix a conflict with pipewire please? https://tracker.debian.org/news/1456969/accepted-blueman-235-3-source-into-unstable/
[09:10] <ginggs> Fantu: man requestsync
[09:19] <Fantu> ginggs thanks for reply, done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/2033147
[09:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2033147 in blueman (Ubuntu) "Sync blueman 2.3.5-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, New]
[09:23] <ginggs> Fantu: sync sponsored
[09:23] <Fantu> ginggs thanks
[09:24] <ginggs> de nada!
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> waveform: you masochist. 😂https://waldorf.waveform.org.uk/2023/the-ubuntu-studio.html
[18:45] <Eickmeyer> I love it. :D