[00:22] <ball> In totem, is there some way to turn of the visualisation rubbish when I'm playing music?
[00:24] <ball> Never mind, I found it, hidden away.
[00:28] <Mathsterk> :P
[02:35] <xubuntu157> hello
[02:36] <xubuntu157> is xfce4.10 ppa updated? or still have issues that need to be fixed with synaptic?
[02:38] <ToZ> xubuntu157, if you're referring to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10, it looks like it was last updated about 7 weeks ago. What issues are you referring to
[02:51] <xubuntu110> I am getting this in mediatomb MediaTomb UI is disabled. Check your configuration. what do i do to fix my config
[03:03] <delt> Hello
[03:04] <delt> question: why can't i mount NFS volumes on my xubuntu machine?
[03:09] <ToZ> delt, what happens when you try? Error messages? Have you had a look at the NFS-Client section of the NFS wiki at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto/
[03:21] <pooltable> my daughter remove the pannel that show the programs that are running how to fix?
[03:23] <Unit193> You can either reset it, or set it up again.
[03:23] <ToZ> pooltable, right-click the panel, select "Panel->Add New Items" and add the "Window Buttons" item
[03:28] <xubuntu110> ok about that mediatomb question I've gotten to here sudo nano /etc/mediatomb/config.xml  but now I need to know how to modify at this point I cant change  <ui enabled="yes" show-tooltips="yes"> this is how it should look but I cant make the change stick, any help?
[03:29] <pleia2> xubuntu110: perhaps try #mediatomb? it's not very popular and it's something that comes with xubuntu by default so I don't think you'll have a lot of luck finding someone here who is well-versed in it
[03:30] <pleia2> not sure what you mean by "cant make the change stick" - the file doesn't save?
[03:31] <pleia2> you may have to shut down mediatomb while making changes to the config file, but I don't have enough experience with it to know for sure
[03:31] <xubuntu110> I don't know how to moddify the code, I will change the words but I do n ot know how to save the change
[03:31] <pleia2> you don't know how to use nano?
[03:31] <xubuntu110> that is the problem right there.
[03:32] <xubuntu110> I do not know how to use nano
[03:32] <pleia2> hold down control and hit x
[03:32] <pleia2> it will ask if you want to save
[03:32] <pleia2> type "y" to save, confirm the file name
[03:32] <pleia2> it will save and exit
[03:33] <xubuntu110> file name to write?
[03:34] <pleia2> keep it the same as whatever comes up
[03:34] <pleia2> don't change it
[03:38] <xubuntu110> it only gives me options for DOS format, mac format, Append, prepend, cancel and backup
[03:39] <delt> ToZ: thanks ...will boot back to xubu and try again
[03:39] <delt> uh..oops
[03:40] <delt> btw, WHERE does the X server get the "-nolisten tcp" argument?????
[03:41] <delt> tried editing that file in /etc/X11/xinit ...doesn't even get executed
[03:41] <delt> (added a "echo $PID" > some file in /var .... nothing)
[03:44] <ToZ> delt, you mean /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc ?
[03:44] <delt> yeah
[03:44] <delt> oh what was that url again?
[03:44] <delt> (nfs)
[03:45] <ToZ> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto/
[03:45] <delt> thanks
[03:45] <xubuntu157> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto/
[03:45] <xubuntu157> too late :P
[03:46] <ToZ> delt, see http://askubuntu.com/questions/72812/how-to-disable-nolisten
[03:46] <delt> thanks again, reading....
[03:48] <delt> YEAH, nfs thing solved :D
[03:49] <ToZ> Cool
[03:49] <delt> was missing some apt-get package whcih strangely wasn't included with the distro :?
[03:49] <ToZ> which ones?
[03:49] <delt> apt-get install nfs-common
[03:49] <ToZ> I believe that package is optional now.
[03:49] <delt> would have been f'd if i didn't have internet access from this machine
[03:49] <ToZ> or rather, not installed by default
[03:50] <delt> my recommendation would be to include it with the distribution.
[03:50] <pleia2> most people don't use nfs and there is only 700M of space on the install disk ;)
[03:50] <ToZ> IIRC, they are trying to keep the size of the distro down, and are removing anything that isn't considered "common" for all users, and since most users don't need (or know what) nfs is....
[03:51] <delt> yeah, but nfs-common is like, under a meg
[03:52] <delt> and it it very useful for those who do know what it is :3
[03:52] <pleia2> yes, there are hundreds of packages that individuals find useful that are "like, under a meg"
[03:52] <pleia2> but then you end up with hundreds more megs :)
[03:53] <pleia2> we're actually oversized in our image for 12.10 alpha2 by something like 3M, so still trying to shave off more..
[03:53] <Unit193> Bit that's the idea, they know what it is and what they want.  I think it'd be cool if testdisk was included, but it isn't because most don't need it.
[03:55] <delt> just the icons included with xfce are way more than 3 megs
[03:58] <delt> ok, rebooting this machine...
[04:01] <delt> AH, now we're talking!!!
[05:07] <vnc4server> can anyone help me with xubuntu-desktop and vnc4server, specifically the xstartup file?
[05:07] <well_laid_lawn> depends what the problem is...
[05:07] <vnc4server> I want to know how command do I add to the ,vnc/xstartup file to start a RESUMABLE xubuntu session or something close to it.
[05:07] <vnc4server> what (not how)
[05:08] <vnc4server> This is how my xstartup file is by default: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1074292/
[05:12] <vnc4server> should I "startxfce4" or "xfce4-session" or "startxfce4 &" at the last line?
[05:12] <vnc4server> add?
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> I'm guessing you want to start something and leave it running 'till you connect next time?
[05:12] <vnc4server> yes
[05:12] <vnc4server> I have a VPS that I want to access gui remotely and the program I am running should not be stopped.
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> I think you need to connect to the root desktop  for that, let me check
[05:12] <vnc4server> I will go ahead and add "startxfce4" and see what happens with uncommenting the "unset SESSION_MANAGER" line.
[05:12] <vnc4server> but I don't know if i should comment the "x-terminal-emulator" and "x-window-manager &"
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> they start default apps, set in xdg
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> so comment them out if they are not doing what you want
[05:13] <vnc4server> how about this: http://nuclear-imaging.info/site_content/2012/05/29/starting-a-xfce4-session-on-vnc/
[05:13] <well_laid_lawn> you need x11vnc to connect to the root desktop, vnc4server gives you a new session on each connect so it won't be what you want
[05:15] <well_laid_lawn> it's easier to use ssh and screen to have something continually running
[05:15] <well_laid_lawn> that's not gui tho
[05:16] <vnc4server> ok so use x11vnc through ssh client like putty?
[05:18] <well_laid_lawn> x11vnc doesn't need ssh, ssh can forward X if you set it up to
[05:18] <well_laid_lawn> screen is a terminal app
[05:18] <well_laid_lawn> !info screen
[05:19] <well_laid_lawn> isn't putty a windows app?
[05:20] <baizon> yes it is
[05:20] <vnc4server> this is what i want.
[05:21] <vnc4server> I purchased a vps
[05:21] <vnc4server> i installed ubuntu 12.04 server on it.
[05:21] <baizon> you can use the X Forwarding
[05:21] <baizon> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/
[05:21] <vnc4server> I want to access it with gui to run something graphical on it (use it like a desktop computer)
[05:22] <baizon> a ok
[05:22] <baizon> then vnc :)
[05:23] <well_laid_lawn> vnc gives a new session for each connection tho
[05:26] <vnc4server> ok, I just connected through vncviwer but i get a blank screen gray
[05:27] <well_laid_lawn> prob no background set, does the right click menu come up?
[05:28] <vnc4server> no this is all i get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1074313/
[05:28] <vnc4server> and this is what i have for my xstartup file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1074313/
[05:29] <well_laid_lawn> same link twice there
[05:29] <vnc4server> sorry this is what i get:: http://i.imgur.com/q1wIe.png
[05:29] <well_laid_lawn> you didn't comment out the x-window-manager bit
[05:30] <well_laid_lawn> xsetroot -solid grey   is why the background is grey
[05:32] <vnc4server> ok
[05:32] <vnc4server> any other parts that need ot be commented?
[05:32] <vnc4server> to
[05:33] <well_laid_lawn> if you don't want a terminal on the desktop comment the   x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
[05:33] <vnc4server> because for gnome session, this is what it should look like: http://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/how-to-install-vnc-server-on-ubuntu-server-12-04/
[05:33] <vnc4server> and they leave the grey linke uncommented?
[05:35] <well_laid_lawn> yep they start a gnome session, gnome sets the background which covers the grey background
[05:44] <vnc4server> I will and reinstall my os. :( and just use gnome-core
[05:48] <vnc4server> but I managed to get it working.
[05:49] <vnc4server> I just commented the xsetroot line
[05:49] <chet> hi
[05:50] <vnc4server> hi
[05:51] <well_laid_lawn> vnc4server: you have a xfce desktop over vnc now?
[05:51] <well_laid_lawn> well done
[05:54] <vnc4server> yes
[05:54] <vnc4server> what is the package for java?
[05:54] <well_laid_lawn> !java
[05:58] <vnc4server> i just went over to sofware center
[05:59] <vnc4server> i can't click on the 'install" button for flash player
[06:00] <vnc4server> i think the software center is not connect to internet
[06:00] <vnc4server> how do i make it connect to internet?
[06:03] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use the software center, maybe someone else will have a clue
[06:10] <baizon> vnc4server: the USC is always connected to the internet if you got an internet connection
[06:12] <vnc4server> I had internet connection since I download the flash player through firefox
[06:12] <vnc4server> but I can't install or remove anything using the software center
[06:14] <vnc4server> maybe because I am using virtual servers? the network icon is not showing connected but I have internet,
[06:14] <baizon> so maybe the port is blocked
[06:15] <baizon> try the terminal and sudo apt-get update
[06:16] <vnc4server> i have done that.
[06:17] <vnc4server> I installed jdk and others through apt-get command line.
[06:18] <baizon> try it with flash too
[06:26] <Tm_T> hello
[06:33] <baizon> hi hi#
[06:59] <Marzata> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1012257
[07:23] <popolon> hi
[07:24] <popolon> is someone know how to have the resize window space a bit larger
[07:24] <popolon> that's really difficult to catch the border in 12.04
[07:39] <astraljava> popolon: You can press Alt down, and then right-click while dragging.
[07:54] <mucus_> if i am dualbooting xubutunu how much space should i allocate for it?
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> about 20G should be ok - depends on what you want to install
[07:56] <mucus_> i wanna try to use it as my primary os
[07:58] <well_laid_lawn> still depends on what you want to do with it, just webbrowsing 20G is plenty, burning dvd's or doing 3d graphics will need more etc
[08:01] <popolon> astraljava, thanks for the tip :)
[08:01] <mucus_> well_laid_lawn, i probably won' t be doing a lot of that with this machine
[08:01] <popolon> I known alt+left, never tried alt+right, far better than catching border
[08:02] <well_laid_lawn> mucus_: I'd go with 20G then, I always recommend a seperate /home partition just to make a reinstall easier
[08:03] <mucus_> oh that' s wise
[08:03] <mucus_> i wound up giving it 64 gb
[08:03] <mucus_> i think
[08:03] <mucus_> this installer was a little confusing for a techtard like e
[08:04] <well_laid_lawn> it gets easier with practise
[08:08] <popolon> I like the fact that it start to install during information request phase.
[08:08] <popolon> in 12.04
[08:09] <popolon> mucus_, if you change number partition or their size with gparted
[08:09] <popolon> I suggest you to reboot the livecd (or usbkey) before installing
[08:09] <popolon> else you could have boot problems (with grub)
[08:10] <popolon> I had to install two times because of this (don't want to dig in grub parameters to resolve the issue)
[08:10] <well_laid_lawn> sometimes a twenty minute reinstall is easier
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> if you can keep /home
[08:13] <mucus_> hm
[08:13] <mucus_> this installer is taking for ever
[12:15] <blackgatocatnegr> ok, I got two particions, one with xubuntu the other with windows, need to add grub, any recomended program?
[12:17] <blackgatocatnegr> ok gonna try rescatux
[12:50] <pooltable> help missing the pannel that show the programes that are running how do i fix it ?
[12:53] <astraljava> pooltable: Right-click on panel, choose Add items to Panel... (or something similar), Window Buttons (or something similar) is what you want. (sorry, on a Mac here now)
[12:54] <Mathsterk> menu (left corner)>settings>settings manager>panel>and play around
[12:56] <mackmoney3000> The panel you are looking for is called 'window buttons'
[12:57] <mackmoney3000> sorry astraljava, you got there first :P
[13:00] <astraljava> No worries, good that it's now properly confirmed.
[13:01] <Mathsterk> :P
[13:20] <Boogerhead> Sometimes my 12.04 install starts showing fonts weird, like "p" looks like "-" and "l
[13:20] <Boogerhead> l" looks like "'" ... any idea?
[13:38] <Boogerhead> Think I found an answer, related to an Intel bug with X: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/745608 ... thanks!
[14:31] <FreeNslaved> anyone able to help me figure out why i cant play videos with 12.04 xubuntu   i had similar issues with 10....worked fine with 11.    I have installed the third party software, VLC with no luck...its an about 5 years old...using on board video chip from a MCI motherboard    ...I am not proficient with commands but am able to type them in at the terminal...... How do i check the gfx-driver in use?
[15:07] <FreeNslaved> anyone up to resolving this video dilemma ?
[15:12] <bazhang> install xubuntu-restricted-extras FreeNslaved
[15:13] <bazhang> try playing with something other than vlc, such as mplayer
[15:14] <FreeNslaved> bazhang we did
[15:15] <FreeNslaved> no go
[15:15] <bazhang> FreeNslaved, what format is the video
[15:15] <FreeNslaved> any youtube for example will not play
[15:15] <bazhang> thats flash
[15:15] <FreeNslaved> flash installed
[15:15] <bazhang> from where
[15:15] <FreeNslaved> 12.04
[15:16] <bazhang> no, where is flash installed from. what place did you install flash from
[15:16] <bazhang> !find flashplugin
[15:17] <bazhang> !info flashplugin-installer
[15:17] <FreeNslaved> i it installed during installation....3rd party software was checked
[15:18] <bazhang> sounds like you either installed some other stuff, or dl'd flash from a online site
[15:18] <bazhang> such as gnash, swfplayer, etc
[15:19] <FreeNslaved> hmmm not sure what to do
[15:20] <FreeNslaved> should i type !find flashplugin at terminal?
[15:20] <bazhang> remove those
[15:20] <bazhang> no
[15:22] <FreeNslaved> easiest way to remove from Ubuntu software center?   I am not a programmer ...just plug and pray user
[15:22] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[15:22] <FreeNslaved> ty trying
[15:25] <FreeNslaved> it says its already the newest version     ctrl v and ctrl c will not let me paste the message from terminal emulator here in IRC chat....weird
[15:26] <Mathsterk> -.-
[15:26] <Mathsterk> ctrl+c usually is abort
[15:26] <Mathsterk> try ctrl+shift+v or ctrl+shift+c
[15:26] <bazhang> try removing gnash or swf player if they are installed
[15:28] <FreeNslaved> checking   ty
[15:32] <FreeNslaved> is gnash swf viewer the same as the player?
[15:34] <FreeNslaved> removing along with VLC... when i installed VLC said there where errors also.....removing
[15:36] <FreeNslaved> under sound and video Gstreamer and Parole are listed as being installed.....leave this software?
[15:38] <bazhang> leave the gstreamer items. VLC is fine to keep installed, and yes the gnash and swf viewer need to be removed
[15:40] <FreeNslaved> removed them... i also did remove VLC because when it installed first time...there was an error message.....
[15:40] <FreeNslaved> try opening firefox and check to see if videos now play?
[15:41] <bazhang> what was the error
[15:41] <FreeNslaved> i dont recall..it was very long....
[15:41] <FreeNslaved> will write down all errors in future
[15:42] <bazhang> try installing vlc from the terminal and pastebin the errors
[15:42] <FreeNslaved> control shift c  control shift v not letting me copy text from terminal and post them in IRC chat bar
[15:43] <Sysi> use paste.ubuntu.com if it's long
[15:43] <FreeNslaved> ty
[15:43] <Sysi> shift ctrl v only when pasting to terminal
[15:44] <FreeNslaved> should i be concerned with the grx-driver in use?
[15:45] <bazhang> not for flash
[15:48] <FreeNslaved> does it matter if install is done from software center or terminal?
[15:49] <bazhang> no. but if you do it from terminal we can then get the exact errors, which is much more helpful in troubleshooting
[15:49] <FreeNslaved> uggg....did it from center
[15:50] <bazhang> did it install VLC ok?
[15:51] <FreeNslaved> yes...it says its installed at the software center...no errors came up
[15:52] <FreeNslaved> should i open mozilla and try video now?
[15:53] <bazhang> yes
[15:54] <cavibird2005> anyone home?
[15:54] <FreeNslaved> same problem..videos not playing
[15:54] <cavibird2005> Check this one out
[15:54] <cavibird2005> cavibird2005@Cavis-Zenbook:~$ sudo apt-get install upgrade [sudo] password for cavibird2005:  Reading package lists... Error! E: Encountered a section with no Package: header E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_binary-amd64_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. cavibird2005@Cavis-Zenbook:~$
[15:54] <cavibird2005> Any ideas?
[15:54] <bazhang> yes its a bug
[15:54] <cavibird2005> Any fix yet?
[15:55] <bazhang> not sure. I removed those partial files then did it again
[15:55] <baizon> yes there is a sollution for this
[15:55] <baizon> cavibird2005: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750755
[15:55] <baizon> there you go
[15:56] <cavibird2005> Thanks!
[15:56] <baizon> np
[15:58] <cavibird2005> Fixed Thanks!
[15:59] <FreeNslaved> <--at wits end...not sure what to do     Everything worked ok in Xubuntu 11       could it be the gfx-driver..?  I am using onboard video chip from 5 year oldish MCI motherboard
[15:59] <cavibird2005> U guys/gals have a great 4th!
[15:59] <bazhang> try downloading the flv
[15:59] <bazhang> whats your browser? firefox?
[16:00] <FreeNslaved> yes
[16:00] <FreeNslaved> flv?  flash video?
[16:00] <bazhang> get the download helper plugin and download the flash video (flv) and try to play in mplayer/vlc/whatever
[16:02] <FreeNslaved> sudo apt-get install flv-installer            is this the command to type in terminal?
[16:02] <bazhang> no
[16:02] <FreeNslaved> sorry
[16:02] <bazhang> you need to get the videodownload helper plugin, let me get the link for you
[16:03] <FreeNslaved> ty....i have no clue
[16:03] <bazhang> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/
[16:04] <FreeNslaved> i had that installed already..sorry..it didnt help..i uninstalled that...should i reinstall?
[16:05] <bazhang> did you use it to download the flash video at any point in time?
[16:06] <FreeNslaved> is that part of the ubuntu-restricted extras?
[16:07] <FreeNslaved> i dont think so....not sure
[16:09] <FreeNslaved> i installed download helper..but have not used it to dl any video since they are not playing at the moment
[16:11] <FreeNslaved> 12.04 32 bit would not install on this system ...we tried several methods from the iso boot disk....had to reinstall  xubuntu 11 and it proceeded to update to 12.04 from fresh install of 11 via the net
[16:14] <bazhang> so try the download helper
[16:14] <FreeNslaved> i just did..its installed now
[16:15] <FreeNslaved> videos still not playing...should i try to download a video and play it off of PC?
[16:16] <chaosman> is it good to use Krusader on XFCE?
[16:17] <chaosman> I'm new to Linux
[16:19] <bazhang> !info krusader
[16:19] <bazhang> chaosman, if you like, it's good
[16:20] <baizon> chaosman: no kde on xfce please :)
[16:20] <baizon> i recommend something not so "heavy"
[16:21] <mips1911> Try SpaceFM or Worker for file managers ;)
[16:21]  * baizon using DoubleCommander
[16:21] <bazhang> its perfectly fine to use any kde apps on xfce
[16:22] <bazhang> k3b amarok etc
[16:22] <baizon> yes its my own opinion :)
[16:22] <bazhang> clearly
[16:23] <FreeNslaved> This is messed up....video downloaded.... I can play it from PC once its been downloaded but not from youtube
[16:23] <baizon> FreeNslaved: join html5 or install flash :)
[16:23] <baizon> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[16:23] <FreeNslaved> flash is installed
[16:24] <baizon> are you sure?
[16:24] <FreeNslaved> You are currently in the HTML5 trial.
[16:25] <Mathsterk> weird, the touchpad on this laptop has disappeared :o
[16:25] <baizon> what is about:plugins showing?
[16:25] <FreeNslaved> should i try this again from terminal                  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:26] <baizon> FreeNslaved: do you have flash in about:plugins?
[16:26] <bazhang> no
[16:27] <FreeNslaved> checking
[16:28] <FreeNslaved> i have shockwave flash 11.2 plugin installed
[16:29] <bazhang> thats it
[16:29] <bazhang> sounds like you either did not remove all the gnash swf etc, or some other issue. I'd wager its the first
[16:30] <FreeNslaved> those have been removed...yu helped me with that
[16:30] <FreeNslaved> bugs   UGG
[16:30] <Mathsterk> now the computer is a bitch, it has switched the right mouse button with the left :\
[16:30] <bazhang> restart firefox
[16:30] <FreeNslaved> k
[16:31] <FreeNslaved> with xubuntu...there is no need to reboot system correct?
[16:31] <bazhang> nor with any OS
[16:31] <FreeNslaved> windows
[16:31] <bazhang> simply quit then restart Firefox
[16:32] <FreeNslaved> rite
[16:32] <FreeNslaved> done
[16:32] <bazhang> go to youtube.com
[16:33] <FreeNslaved> there...they are not playing....since they play once i download them...i will assume my gfx-driver is ok
[16:34] <bazhang> thats not a graphics card driver issue at all
[16:34] <FreeNslaved> ty
[16:34] <mips1911> Try Chromium browser
[16:34] <bazhang> something odd about flash installation and firefox
[16:34] <chaosman> baizon, for example double commander?
[16:34] <bazhang> some come with it already installed
[16:37] <FreeNslaved>  would prefer not to use anything google
[16:40] <astraljava> FreeNslaved: You're aware that Google owns youtube, right?
[16:40] <mips1911> lol
[16:40] <FreeNslaved> should i try epiphany      lol  yeah
[16:41] <FreeNslaved> or just reinstall xubuntu 11 and wait till bugs are worked out?
[16:42] <bazhang> that seems rash
[16:42] <FreeNslaved> <---4 days of this....i dont know what to do
[16:42] <bazhang> its a simple fix, probably due to installation of those other gnash etc items
[16:44] <FreeNslaved> its not youtube alone... seems to be almost all video from web sites
[16:53] <bazhang> try a browser that has flash already installed in it
[18:22] <mucus_> hiya i needs some help with installing xubu
[18:22] <mucus_> i just booted from a live usb
[18:22] <mucus_> and now am at the install menu
[18:22] <mucus_> i want to keep my primary os and set xubu to dualboot
[18:23] <mucus_> i am at a screen where i can select partition sizes...
[18:23] <mucus_> but i am unsure which partition is primary and which is xubuntu
[18:23] <chaosman> .
[18:24] <chaosman> .
[18:26] <mucus_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9530983/IMG_20120704_142408.jpg this is what is stumping me
[18:26] <chaosman> ...
[18:26] <chaosman> hi all
[18:26] <bazhang> chaosman, stop that
[18:26] <chaosman> sorry
[18:26] <mucus_> is xubuntu the left? is it the right?
[19:39] <bb> hi all
[19:39] <bb> can someone help me out with winetricks on 64 bit system
[19:43] <Belserusk>  Hi guys. Are many drivers built into the Linux Kernel?
[20:35] <FreeNslaved> wth  how is it even possible that my terminal is now missing under the accessory menu    ugg
[20:59] <jglauche> Hi. I noted after installing 12.04 (10.04 before), my file chooser dialogs don't remember the list sort I have previously chosen.
[20:59] <jglauche> any way to re-enable this ?
[22:07] <mucus2> hiya
[22:07] <mucus2> how do i set xp to be the first option at the grub loader thingy in xubuntu?
[23:11] <xubuntu211> good evening
[23:12] <xubuntu211> i'm facing some troubles with my audio, it was working really well some minutes ago
[23:12] <xubuntu211> but now it simply stopped
[23:12] <xubuntu211> its already happened before, and i did what xubuntu's faq says here http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[23:13] <xubuntu211> does anybody having the same problems?
[23:14] <v1adimir> Oneiric o.0
[23:15] <v1adimir> xubuntu211: have you got like a really sh!t pc?..:)
[23:15] <xubuntu211> yes, it is not that good
[23:15] <v1adimir> ah :(
[23:16] <xubuntu211> why? do you know how to solve this problem?
[23:17] <v1adimir> i do not, but if nobody answers - we can go to PMs & i can try 2 help you anyway (so that i don't spam the channel with more nonsense :))
[23:17] <Mathsterk> xubuntu211: check your sound settings
[23:17] <xubuntu211> how could i do that?
[23:18] <Mathsterk> if you haven't messed with the panels, the sound icon-thing at top right corner
[23:18] <xubuntu211> there is no such icon
[23:20] <v1adimir> xubuntu211: here are mine, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-07052012-011830am.php & i have disabled the audio from my video adapter - in order for the media keys from my keyboard, that have media functions, to work correctly; maybe your problem is also simple like that.
[23:21] <xubuntu211> how can i access this settings?
[23:21] <v1adimir> oic, one sec
[23:26] <v1adimir> xubuntu211: you don't have the speaker icon on your desktop, top-right? http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Xubuntu-12-04-LTS-Screenshot-Tour-2.jpg
[23:26] <xubuntu211> no, i dont
[23:26] <v1adimir> oh
[23:27] <v1adimir> im not sure, but this could be the xfce4-mixer ?? perhaps it's not installed, or something?..
[23:28] <xubuntu211> i dont know i will install it
[23:28] <v1adimir> not sure if that is it, checking; or perhaps someone can tell us
[23:28] <Mathsterk> sudo apt-get install xfce4-mixer
[23:28] <Mathsterk> or something
[23:28] <xubuntu211> it is downloading/installing
[23:29] <xubuntu211> ok, its done
[23:30] <v1adimir> since it hadn't been installed, perhaps it wasn't needed (if that is even the right thing); did you get the speaker icon now?
[23:30] <xubuntu211> no,
[23:31] <xubuntu211> isn't showing anything
[23:31] <v1adimir> xubuntu211: how did you get xubuntu, did you upgrade to it, or install it from cd?.. has sound worked before, was there an icon before? how did it stop working, has it ever worked?
[23:32] <v1adimir> .. or you installed something, and sound stopped working?
[23:32] <xubuntu211> i download the iso file, burned and installed
[23:33] <xubuntu211> there wasnt any sound icon there before
[23:33] <xubuntu211> but some minutes ago it was working
[23:33] <xubuntu211> and it is not the first time
[23:33] <xubuntu211> that it happens
[23:33] <v1adimir> but why not get 12.04 precise?
[23:34] <xubuntu211> i found that i have this one
[23:34] <xubuntu211> my pc is updated
[23:37] <xubuntu211> do you know what is my problem?
[23:38] <v1adimir> im trying to search google for it, but im only finding gnome stuff http://askubuntu.com/questions/126411/volume-and-other-indicators-disappeared-in-the-classic-desktop
[23:38] <v1adimir> * with google
[23:40] <v1adimir> xubuntu211: also, if your problem is more complicated, perhaps you're missing pulseaudio, or something.. http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-07052012-013900am.php
[23:43] <v1adimir> xubuntu211: here's this as well, just in case (right-click the panel, select panel preferences... items) http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-07052012-014157am.php
[23:45] <v1adimir> Mathsterk: btw.
[23:45] <v1adimir> ~$ xfce4-mixer
[23:45] <v1adimir> The program 'xfce4-mixer' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[23:45] <v1adimir> sudo apt-get install xfce4-mixer
[23:45] <v1adimir> ^ no need 2 have the mixer.


[02:15] <AfC> What the ... current upgrade is going to REMOVE gnome-shell ?!?
[02:16] <AfC> Hooray for not always blindly running `dist-upgrade`!
[02:17] <TheMuso> AfC: There is likely a conflict with dependencies somewhere, and gnome-shell needs to be rebuilt/fixed.
[02:19] <AfC> TheMuso: yeah
[02:19] <AfC> TheMuso: [but thanks for confirming my suspicion!]
[02:21] <TheMuso> I don't know for sure, I just guessed based on similar situations in the past.
[02:23] <AfC> TheMuso: looks to be that. We'll see in a day or two. It shows up quite obviously because we don't have any Unity, Compiz, CanonicalOne, etc packages installed on our systems, so when something like this happens I get a *long* list of things to freshly install :)
[02:24] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:37] <RAOF> Thank god it's almost the weekend.  I've just spent far to long staring, trying to work out why the shell around ‘patch -p1 < debian/sna_module_rename-stamp’ isn't working.
[04:38] <lifeless> RAOF: LOL
[04:39] <RAOF> Yeah.  Turns out the patch-stamp isn't actually the same thing as the patch.
[04:59] <RAOF> Hah.  That worked.  I can tell by the rendering corruption!
[05:12] <didrocks> good morning
[05:16] <RAOF> Hey didrocks.
[05:26] <didrocks> hey RAOF, how are you?
[05:26] <RAOF> Ok.  A bit tired.  Yay weekend!
[05:26] <RAOF> Yourself?
[05:28] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[05:28] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah feeling a little like that myself.
[05:28] <didrocks> good evening TheMuso :)
[05:29] <TheMuso> Still afternoon actually, mid to late afternoon one would call it I think.
[05:29] <didrocks> RAOF: I'm fine, thanks, quite happy to see that in 30 minutes, I almost adapted OneConf to the new s-c in gtk2
[05:29] <didrocks> still a bit raw, but I'm optimistic if we don't adopt the new design this cycle to put it by default :)
[05:29] <RAOF> Cool!  I'd love me a bit of oneconf
[05:29] <didrocks> TheMuso: heh, still some hours to go then!
[05:29] <didrocks> django server part is ready :)
[05:30] <TheMuso> Actually not that long, about an hour, give or take for me at least.
[05:33] <didrocks> TheMuso: I noted that unity-panel-service is now crashing with a11y enabled btw
[05:33] <TheMuso> didrocks: Which unity?
[05:33] <didrocks> and now both unity/unity-2d are using it
[05:34] <didrocks> I reported it to API, he'll look at it
[05:34] <TheMuso> Ok.
[05:34] <didrocks> (seems to be there for 2 weeks)
[05:34] <TheMuso> So are both unity environments sharing one panel now? Interesting.
[05:34] <didrocks> TheMuso: not really sharing the panel, sharing the service containing the indicator proxy :)
[05:35] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[05:35] <didrocks> (and so piloting what should be drawn)
[05:35] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:35] <didrocks> TheMuso: also, do you know if there is soon a dbus api to know if accessibility should be enabled?
[05:35] <didrocks> IIRC, that's the latest thing in a11y missing for qt, as it's in dconf right now
[05:35] <TheMuso> Dbus api? No, only the gsettings stuff atm.
[05:35] <TheMuso> Unless I am getting confused with somethign else.
[05:35] <didrocks> no, I think you're right
[05:36] <TheMuso> Oh QT. No, don't know, other than QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
[05:36] <didrocks> TheMuso: yeah, but they were waiting for some more generic stuff like a dbus call :)
[05:36] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:36] <didrocks> as they won't access gsettings I guess
[05:36] <TheMuso> Correct.
[05:36] <didrocks> TheMuso: can you ensure for oneiric that you export the variable in the session?
[05:36] <TheMuso> Export it where?
[05:36] <didrocks> (I guess some work on casper and g-c-c, isn't it?)
[05:36] <didrocks> to the session
[05:36] <jbicha> I can't even get the unity-2d launcher or panel to start now: http://fpaste.org/WJum/
[05:37] <TheMuso> didrocks: Well it should probably be done with one of the pieces of the at-spi stack, such that if a user enables it through gcc, then QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 will get set on restart. Doing it in the a11y profiles alone doesn't make sense.
[05:37] <didrocks> jbicha: try to ldd the binary, seems you have a missing one
[05:38] <TheMuso> It would have to be a shell script, however that does increase startup overhead.
[05:38] <didrocks> TheMuso: I don't know which stack should set it, I think you have a better idea than I there, but can you ensure you will track it for oneiric?
[05:38] <didrocks> do you need a workitem?
[05:39] <TheMuso> didrocks: Sure, I don't think I need a work item, just got to think of the best way to do it technically.
[05:39] <TheMuso> Its something I was aware of a while back, but haven't looked at, since my priorities have been slightly elsewhere recently.
[05:39] <jbicha> didrocks: um, and then what? http://fpaste.org/aHwG/
[05:40] <didrocks> TheMuso: sure, I just don't want that we overlook it, would be a shame to have accessibility and not enabling it :-) I'm just adding a workitem to track it. Thanks  :)
[05:40] <didrocks> TheMuso: beta1 is fine?
[05:40] <didrocks> jbicha: do you have latest dee-qt?
[05:40] <TheMuso> didrocks: Yes thats fine thanks.
[05:41] <didrocks> jbicha: and libunity-2d-private0?
[05:42] <littlejerry> hello
[05:43] <didrocks> hey littlejerry
[05:44] <littlejerry> hello
[05:51] <jbicha> didrocks: I didn't have libunity-2d-private0
[05:51] <didrocks> jbicha: hum, there is maybe a missing dep then, weird
[05:51] <didrocks> can you install it and try?
[05:52] <jbicha> I installed it and unity-2d works
[05:52] <didrocks> \o/
[05:52]  * didrocks looks why the bin didn't take the deps
[05:52] <jbicha> I've had some annoying appmenu bug for a while now so I don't use Unity really, gnome-shell is more stable for me
[05:52] <TheMuso> +/c
[05:53] <jbicha> didrocks: well, the kde-wallpaper transition means I couldn't do a normal dist-upgrade
[05:55] <didrocks> jbicha: it's a dep, you should get it. Though, it didn't force for the latest version, indeeded
[05:55] <didrocks> jbicha: I'll ensuring forcing with the latest version
[05:56] <didrocks> (well, with the version corresponding the one in the source)
[06:21] <BigWhale> Urgh
[06:24] <BigWhale> Morning
[06:31] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[06:37] <BigWhale> hey didrocks
[07:00] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:16] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[07:20] <BigWhale> putting good in front of the morning, a common mistake
[07:20] <BigWhale> :>
[07:22] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[07:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, and you?
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i just read oneiric-changes - wth is "pornview"?
[07:23] <BigWhale> chrisccoulson, no idea, but sounds promising!
[07:23] <BigWhale> :>
[07:28] <mvo> silly question, but we don't want to have the .pc/ stuff in the bzr  lp:ubuntu branches, do we?
[07:29] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i always wonder the same thing ;)
[07:29] <chrisccoulson> i think the autoimported branches all have them
[07:29] <mvo> glade I'm not the only one :)
[07:30] <mvo> bäää
[07:30] <bullgard4_> I would like reporting an error in GNOME 2 under Natty: The screen freezes with some artifacts, but I can recover by toggling to a virtual console. What package should I associate my error report to in Launchpad?
[07:30]  * mvo takes a cup of tea to calm himself and not get into some rage about this
[07:46] <didrocks> mvo: the autoimported apply the patch if you are in source 3 format for that package
[07:46] <didrocks> and yeah, +1, it's not good :/
[07:48] <mvo> progress++
[07:48] <bschaefer> didrocks: Hey, just a small update on the CJK patch. He only commented on a couple minor things but those are fixed
[07:48] <bschaefer> didrocks: and he hasn't posted anything else to change so I think he likes the new patch so far been a few days
[07:49] <bschaefer> didrocks: sooo hopefully it will be applied soon and everything should just 'work'
[07:49] <BigWhale> Is it the last Friday in July? Happy system administrator appreciation day to everyone! Buy a pizza for your sysadmin, show some love! :)
[07:51] <didrocks> bschaefer: that's awesome! do not hesitate to ping me when it will be integrated in debian. Thanks again for this week, you will make a lot of people happy! :-)
[07:52] <bschaefer> didrocks: haha that's good to hear, and I am hoping that will be soon!
[07:53]  * didrocks crosses fingers too :)
[08:08] <bullgard4_> I would like reporting an error in GNOME 2 under Natty: The screen freezes with some artifacts, but I can recover by toggling to a virtual console. What package should I associate my error report to in Launchpad?
[08:16] <seb128> hey
[08:21] <seb128> hum
[08:21] <seb128> somebody has been visually reformating the etherpad
[08:22] <mvo> didrocks: I am just looking at indictator-cpufreq and its in gtk2, for how long will this work?
[08:23] <seb128> mvo, is it a system indicator or using libappindicator?
[08:24] <mvo> seb128: its a python app using python-appindicator
[08:24] <mvo> seb128: is this out-of-process?
[08:24] <seb128> mvo, that will keep working
[08:24] <seb128> yes
[08:24] <mvo> great
[08:24] <seb128> hey mvo btw, how are you?
[08:25] <seb128> mvo, piloting today? ;-)
[08:25] <seb128> mvo, there is an indicator-bug on the sponsoring queue as well, oier was very eager to get review if you have time
[08:25] <mvo> yeah, busy pioloting
[08:25] <mvo> (and mistyping stuff)
[08:25] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:25] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:29] <seb128> mvo, do you know how close the upstart update brings us from working user session handling? ;-)
[08:29] <jbicha> seb128: I had no idea the + on the versions page was a button until I read your inteview in the Dev Update
[08:29] <seb128> jbicha, hey, yeah it's not very obvious...
[08:29] <seb128> we should maybe have 2 urls rather
[08:29] <mvo> seb128: I don't sorry, I will try to find time later on to figure it out
[08:30] <mvo> what feature is this, the "+" ?
[08:30] <seb128> mvo, no worry I was just curious
[08:30] <jbicha> it needs more blinking text
[08:30] <seb128> mvo, display extra packages
[08:30] <seb128> mvo, by default it limits to the default installation
[08:30] <seb128> mvo, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html
[08:31] <seb128> mvo, btw we have some desktop sponsoring in the queue if you want to take some easy ones ;-)
[08:31] <mvo> easy++
[08:31] <mvo> aha, nice
[08:31] <mvo> oh, yeah the "+" is not obvious as its not blue
[08:32] <mvo> a cool feature though
[08:32] <mvo> (blue to indicate its a link)
[08:32] <didrocks> ahah, I guess seb128 found to who send the brasero patch review :)
[08:33] <seb128> mvo, the lines with a bzr emblem are merge request, you can click on the emblem
[08:33] <seb128> mvo, http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop has a few as well
[08:33] <seb128> like the gpm drop-override
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, well I will try to do some sponsoring a well, I just got lazy to try to write a CD to test that one ;-)
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: but… but… you will use an oneiric iso I guess, how can you don't feel attracted to this unique test? :-)
[08:35] <seb128> ;-)
[08:45] <aquarius> mvo, ping?
[08:47] <mvo> aquarius: pong
[08:48] <Tommeh> Bah.
[08:49] <aquarius> mvo, I had a weird problem where jetty depends on default-jre-headless | java5-runtime-headless, I had jetty installed, and had neither of those headless runtimes installed. How could that happen?
[08:49] <Tommeh> Back to comical fonts in gnome-shell
[08:49] <Tommeh> tweak-tool isn't changing anything either :/
[08:50] <mvo> aquarius: are you still on the sytem that has this problme, what does apt-get install -f -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true say?
[08:50] <aquarius> mvo, well... I installed default-jre-headless manually. I'll try removing it again :)
[08:50] <mvo> aquarius: you sure nothing else provided default-jre-headless or java5-runtime-headless ?
[08:50] <mvo> ok
[08:51] <mvo> seb128: I will do the three desktop reviews now
[08:51] <seb128> mvo, \o/
[08:52] <aquarius> mvo, done. http://paste.ubuntu.com/654325/ So as you can see, jetty depends on those packages; I don't have either of those packages; apt doesn't seem to care :)
[08:52] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[08:53] <mvo> aquarius: could you pastebin "aptitude show default-jre-headless java5-runtime-headless
[08:53] <mvo> " please?
[08:53] <mvo> seb128: any thought on the libwnck API patch?
[08:54] <seb128> mvo, vuntz reviewed it upstream and seemed mostly fine with it, he's just thiking about the naming for 2 weeks
[08:54] <mvo> seb128: it looks ok, but that is something that really should be upstream
[08:54] <seb128> mvo, let's try to ping him once again
[08:54] <seb128> vuntz, ^
[08:54] <mvo> seb128: great, thanks
[08:55] <seb128> if he doesn't reply let's upload it with ubuntu_ namespaced functions
[08:55] <mvo> fair enough
[08:55] <mvo> aquarius: I suspect something provides it, we just need to figure out what :)
[08:56] <vuntz> seb128: Trevinho and I discussed the patch and agreed on naming, he'll update the patch soon
[08:56] <seb128> vuntz, \o/
[08:56] <seb128> vuntz, thanks
[08:56] <seb128> vuntz, can we upload once the naming is fixing? ;-)
[08:57] <aquarius> mvo, aaaaaah. java5-runtime-headless is provided by sun-java6-jre
[08:57] <seb128> vuntz, not that we don't like you but if it takes another month it's blocking other things ;-)
[08:58] <mvo> aquarius: great, mysery solved and remember … apt is never wrong  ;)
[08:58] <vuntz> seb128: sure
[08:58] <seb128> vuntz, thanks
[08:58] <vuntz> seb128: I intend to do a release after this patch anyway
[08:58] <aquarius> but default-runtime-headless puts a /usr/lib/jvm/default-java symlink in place, and sun-java6-jre doesn't. So that's basically some sort of packaging bug where people are depending on something that doesn't do everything it shoudl :)
[08:58] <mvo> (except for when it is of course)
[08:58] <aquarius> mvo, ah, either apt or you are never wrong ;)
[08:58] <seb128> mvo, it's twice in 2 days that you say that apt is never wrong and that you are right ;-)
[08:58] <aquarius> mvo, cheers!
[08:58] <mvo> aquarius: correct, if sun-java5 does not actually provide java5-runtime-headless (because $stuff is missing) then thats broken and it should not do that
[08:58] <mvo> yw
[08:59] <seb128> vuntz, do you have GNOME 3.1 on your opensuse btw? is vinagre working fine and listing other protocols that vnc?
[09:00] <jbicha> seb128: vinagre 3.1.4 magically works in Rawhide, but they just built through the implicit-function warnings
[09:01] <seb128> jbicha, btw seahorse-plugins seems deprecated, it didn't get any tarball since 2.32 and the gpg agent etc got moved to gnome-keyring
[09:01] <seb128> jbicha, I'm still not sure why we need the new lib?
[09:02] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, I'm asking vuntz about vinagre because opensuse has a toolchain similar to ours which use --as-needed as well
[09:02] <seb128> which I'm wondering is the issue
[09:02] <vuntz> seb128: I only have vnc, indeed
[09:02] <jbicha> if we had the new lib, seahorse-plugins does have some unique capability I believe but if upstream won't bother making a release
[09:02] <jbicha> then it doesn't need us spending too much time getting it to work
[09:02] <seb128> jbicha, like what? they didn't have a commit since february in git
[09:03] <vuntz> seb128: nautilus integration for gpg is what's left in seahorse-plugins
[09:03] <seb128> vuntz, can you confirm that the the rdp and ssh .so are installed in your vinagre? just to be sure
[09:04] <vuntz> seb128: yes, they're here
[09:04] <seb128> ok, so same issue than us and jbicha says it works on fedora
[09:04] <seb128> I've suspision it's a --as-needed thing
[09:04] <seb128> vuntz, thanks for the seahorse comment
[09:04] <seb128> jbicha, ^ seems like that could stay in universe
[09:05] <seb128> well in any case it's on my list of priority to maintain ;-)
[09:05] <jbicha> yeah, seahorse-plugins should get demoted from main
[09:06] <vuntz> seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653558 already mentioned openSUSE was also affected ;-)
[09:06] <jbicha> how does main demotion work?
[09:06] <ubot2> Gnome bug 653558 in general "Unable to connect to RDP or SSH" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:06] <seb128> jbicha, if nothing depends on it, it will show in component mismatch and be demoted
[09:06] <seb128> vuntz, oh, right ;-)
[09:07] <jbicha> I think seahorse-plugins also has a gedit plugin
[09:07] <vuntz> jbicha: it wasn't ported to GNOME 3, so won't work
[09:07] <jbicha> oh ok
[09:07] <vuntz> iirc, only the nautilus bits still work
[09:07] <seb128> I've to admit I'm annoyed by the current vinagre maintainer who just decide to let the build broken until he lands a day a refactoring ;-)
[09:08] <seb128> mvo, while you are in the mood, https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-power-manager/drop-override/+merge/69615
[09:09] <seb128> ;-)
[09:09] <seb128> mvo, thanks for the sponsoring work! ;-)
[09:14] <mvo> looking now
[09:29] <seb128> mvo, did I told you before that we need to get ride of update-notifier? ;-)
[09:29] <seb128> mvo, (looking to what keep synaptic on the CD still and guess what... ;-)
[09:30] <seb128> well I guess switching update-notifier to do the apt-get update using aptdaemon would be easy as well
[09:36] <mvo> seb128: yeah
[09:39] <xclaesse> is it known that rhythmbox's window handling is totally broken under gnome-shell?
[09:40] <seb128> xclaesse, not known
[09:41] <seb128> well not by us at least, maybe the gnome-shell guys know about it
[09:41] <xclaesse> when I click close X, window stay, but then it is not in overview
[09:41] <xclaesse> seems to be caused by ubuntu patch
[09:41] <xclaesse> was already like that on natty+gnome3ppa, still the same on oneiric
[09:42] <xclaesse> empathy had similar issues actually
[09:42] <xclaesse> but we fixed it
[09:43] <xclaesse> afaik rb's window does a gtk_window_iconify()
[09:44] <xclaesse> but that won't work correctly on gnome-shell
[09:44] <seb128> could be a rb issue then
[09:44] <seb128> it might be worth mentioning to the #rhythmbox guys
[09:44] <xclaesse> it must do gtk_window_hide()
[09:44] <xclaesse> gtk_widget_hide() even
[09:46] <seb128> mvo, I'm lazy to checkout the update-manager vcs but can you python-aptdaemon-gtk -> python-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets
[09:46] <seb128> mvo, in the control Depends
[09:46] <xclaesse> seb128, I had reported it upstream a long time ago already, they said it's ubuntu's fault
[09:46] <xclaesse> seb128, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648114
[09:46] <ubot2> Gnome bug 648114 in general "Window does not always close when running gnome-shell" [Normal,Resolved: notgnome]
[09:46] <xclaesse> seb128, oh actually it is in lp now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/780747
[09:46] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 780747 in rhythmbox "Window does not always close when running gnome-shell" [Undecided,New]
[09:47] <mvo> seb128: k
[09:48] <seb128> mvo, thanks!
[09:50] <seb128> xclaesse, ok, dunno about that, the patch is there to do what you want basically, not exit when closed while playing (which is what upstream does)
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks added it
[09:50] <seb128> xclaesse, if we drop it closing rb would exit it
[09:50] <didrocks> in lucid IIRC
[09:51] <xclaesse> seb128, right, I like the behaviour, the problem is the way it's done
[09:51] <xclaesse> gtk_window_iconify() won't work
[09:51] <xclaesse> since there is nowhere it will minimize
[09:52] <seb128> didn't you say it minimize the the messaging bar at the bottom of the overview?
[09:52]  * xclaesse should read ubuntu's patch and upstream code to see exactly how this works
[09:52] <seb128> there is no gtk_window_iconify call in that patch
[09:52] <xclaesse> seb128, I remember that was upstream before
[09:52] <xclaesse> since empathy actually copied that code
[09:53] <seb128> well the patch you are talking about doesn't use it
[09:53] <xclaesse> seb128, is there a way to see ubuntu patch, other than apt-get source?
[09:53] <xclaesse> git branch?
[09:53] <seb128> xclaesse, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox/ubuntu
[09:54] <xclaesse> ah, ofcourse, bzr :)
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> i guess the issue is that rb_shell_set_visibility calls gtk_window_iconify ;)
[10:00] <xclaesse> chrisccoulson, yep
[10:00] <xclaesse> just saw that
[10:00] <xclaesse> that method is full of hacks
[10:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how is the gnome-keyring update going? ;-)
[10:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey btw, how are you? I'm not sure if I said hi today ;-)
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm good thanks
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i need to do the MIR ;)
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> will do that this morning
[10:07] <seb128> heh
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> currently doing new firefox and tbird beta builds
[10:07] <seb128> it's midday, the morning is over :p
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> not for me ;)
[10:07] <seb128> ;-)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> i need to automate this. i have so many branches to touch when i do a release, each with pretty much the same stuff in :/
[10:12] <xclaesse> seb128, I'm a bit noob to packaging... I've fetched rb from bzr, now how do I edit the patch and rebuild the package?
[10:12] <xclaesse> seb128, it should not use rb_shell_set_visibility() anymore, that's dead code in upstream
[10:12] <xclaesse> a plain gtk_widget_hide() should work
[10:12] <seb128> xclaesse, bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox/ubuntu
[10:12] <seb128> cd ubuntu
[10:12] <seb128> bzr bd-do
[10:12] <seb128> quilt push the_path_to_edit
[10:12] <seb128> gedit the source
[10:12] <seb128> quilt refresh
[10:12] <seb128> quilt pop
[10:13] <seb128> exit 0
[10:13] <seb128> bzr bd
[10:13] <seb128> basically
[10:13] <xclaesse> seb128, thanks, let's try
[10:13] <xclaesse> seb128, starting well... bzr: ERROR: unknown command "bd-do"
[10:13] <xclaesse> seb128, any howto I could use?
[10:13] <seb128> install bzr-builddeb
[10:14] <seb128> xclaesse, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr
[10:25] <xclaesse> seb128, argh, can't build rb:  libgnome-media-profiles-dev : Dépend: libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 (= 2.91.2-4) mais 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build1 devra être installé
[10:25] <xclaesse> I get that when doing apt-get build-dep rhythmbox
[10:25] <seb128> xclaesse, what ubuntu version?
[10:25] <xclaesse> seb128, oneiric
[10:25] <seb128> try to sudo apt-get install libgnome-media-profiles-dev libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0
[10:25] <seb128> what does it say?
[10:26] <xclaesse> 2s, running upgrade atm
[10:26] <xclaesse> seb128, btw that patch leaks window
[10:26] <xclaesse> g_object_get() gives a new ref afaik, so a g_object_unref() is missing
[10:27] <xclaesse> not a big issue, since that window will live until rb leaves anyway
[10:29] <xclaesse> seb128, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:29] <xclaesse>  libgnome-media-profiles-dev : Depends: libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 (= 2.91.2-4) but 3.0.0-0ubuntu1~build1 is to be installed
[10:29] <xclaesse> seb128, that's what I get with your comment
[10:29] <xclaesse> and after an apt-get update/upgrade
[10:29] <seb128> hum
[10:30] <seb128> try to sudo apt-get install libgnome-media-profiles-dev/oneiric libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0/oneiric
[10:30] <seb128> seems like you have a ppa version installed
[10:30] <xclaesse> seb128, oh right, I've the one from gnome3 ppa on natty
[10:30] <xclaesse> I did upgrade to oneiric
[10:31] <seb128> it's weird, oneiric should be newer
[10:31] <xclaesse> seb128, good, that fixed the issue, thanks :)
[10:32] <seb128> yw
[10:39] <ricotz> hi, jfyi, rb dropped the gnome-media-profiles dependency
[10:40] <ricotz> seb128, hi, i made a working rb tarball lately
[10:41] <seb128> great
[10:42] <ricotz> perhaps it is worth looking at -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/rhythmbox_2.90.1%7Egit20110724.f8fe07a7-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz0.dsc
[10:42] <ricotz> could be renamed to fit the current version string though
[10:44] <xclaesse> argh, bzr bd failed at the end to sign the debs :(
[10:44] <xclaesse> of course can't sign with maintainer's keys (:
[10:44] <xclaesse> there is an option to not sign?
[10:46] <xclaesse> seb128, ricotz ^
[10:47] <seb128> xclaesse, it didn't fail
[10:47] <seb128> xclaesse, you have your deb in build-area
[10:47] <seb128> it's just the signing which failed
[10:47] <geser> xclaesse: bzr bd -- -us -uc
[10:47] <xclaesse> ahh, wonderful :)
[10:47] <xclaesse> seb128, thx
[10:47] <seb128> ricotz, one day you should really start asking for sponsoring and get your stuff in Ubuntu proper
[10:48] <xclaesse> geser, guess options after -- are fwd to dpkg-buildpackage?
[10:48] <seb128> ricotz, that would avoid having users getting a broken oneiric upgrade because the ppa has newer versions than oneiric
[10:48] <geser> yes
[10:48] <seb128> ricotz, it would also avoid having the work done a second time by somebody who will submit to the distro when you already did the work on your side
[10:49] <ricotz> seb128, oh?, i didnt touch gnome-media-profiles
[10:50] <ricotz> and the rhythmbox snapshot was just testing, moch said there would be a release soon
[10:50] <seb128> ricotz, ok, seems it's robert_ancell, sorry for this one, that still stand for ie. your rhythmbox update
[10:50] <ricotz> but currently the rb git master is broken due gcc warn-error stuff
[10:52] <xclaesse> seb128, ok my modified patch works nicely, what's the best way to get it into ubuntu?
[10:52] <xclaesse> and reviewed by you or didrocks of course
[10:53] <xclaesse> (did not test on unity though, probably you'll have to verify that before uploading)
[10:53] <xclaesse> but that should be safe, tbh
[10:55] <seb128> xclaesse, attach it to the bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[10:55] <seb128> ricotz, turn off Werror?
[10:56] <ricotz> seb128, i know, still this needs to be fixed upstream
[10:57] <xclaesse> seb128, done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/780747
[10:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 780747 in rhythmbox "Window does not always close when running gnome-shell" [Undecided,New]
[10:59] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[10:59] <xclaesse> yw
[10:59] <xclaesse> I can again drop that suff called banshee \o/
[11:35] <mvo> didrocks: I guess thats right, I'm not 100% nowdays as we use the actionbar for the "do you want to add to unity" actionbar too, tremolux will know for ysure
[11:36] <didrocks> mvo: indeed, let's wait for him on that then. (I don't know why you don't have the actionbar showing in the detail view without it, I can't get it in oneconf without that)
[11:40] <bullgard4_> I would like reporting an error in GNOME 2 under Natty: The screen freezes with some artifacts, but I can recover by toggling to a virtual console. What package should I associate my error report to in Launchpad?
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-beta/rev/f67f7a7027a7
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> that will be in the next beta i upload (probably monday)
[11:46] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: excellent! I'm eager to test it :)
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> cool :)
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> i've already uploaded it to the thunderbird-next PPA
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> although nothing for oneiric ;)
[11:49] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: only the oneiric one is contaminated right now :)
[11:49] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, could you upload it for oneiric too then? ;)
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, i will do once upstream have actually released the new beta
[11:49] <ricotz> i mean to the ppa
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, not yet. i've only uploaded it to the PPA because i can disable publishing until it's actually released
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> so it's fairly pointless for me to upload the oneiric build to 2 places
[11:51] <ricotz> ok, i see
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, would you be able to take a look at bug 817995? :)
[11:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 817995 in p11-kit "[MIR] p11-kit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817995
[12:20] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, are there thunderbird packaging difference between natty and oneiric?
[12:20] <ricotz> i am tempted to build it locally then
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, yeah
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> there's no messaging menu integration in the natty packages
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> and the oneiric packages also have some patches which we are going to be using for eds contacts integration
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> i can't remember what else is different ;)
[12:21] <ricotz> mhh, ok
[12:41]  * mterry is reviewing jbicha's 2nd suggest-minissdpd branch now
[12:49] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hopefully my tmpfs is big enough for a thunderbird build :P
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, how big is it?
[12:49] <ricotz> 6gb
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, should be ok
[12:50] <ricotz> good :)
[13:02] <seb128> ricotz, can you open a sponsoring request for your rb update?
[13:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you do the gnome-keyring update just upload, don't wait on the mir
[13:02]  * mterry sits down and does some MIRs
[13:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it will dep wait until the mir is reviewed but things tend to get some actions once they are actually blocking
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok. i'm just about ready to upload that
[13:03] <seb128> \o/
[13:11] <ricotz> seb128, i would need to document the changes and change the version-string
[13:11] <seb128> ricotz, that's fine you can do it! ;-)
[13:11] <ricotz> is a xz-tarball ok?
[13:13] <seb128> better if .bz2
[13:13] <seb128> we didn't try .xz yet
[13:13] <ricotz> it isnt exactly this commit stated in the version, i added my patch which got committed later after the "gcc breaking"-commits
[13:13] <ricotz> the ppa builder are already ok with it
[13:14] <ricotz> i am only using xz since they are smaller ;)
[13:15] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, :(
[13:15] <ricotz> ../coreconf/config.mk:71: ../coreconf/Linux3.0.mk: No such file or directory
[13:15] <ricotz> /usr/bin/make -j1: *** No rule to make target ../coreconf/Linux3.0.mk.  Stop.
[13:16] <ricotz> i used the plain natty package from the ppa
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, oh, yeah
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, just copy build-tree/mozilla/security/coreconf/Linux2.6.mk to Linux3.0.mk for now
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> i guess i will fix that properly at some point ;)
[13:17] <ricotz> alright
[13:18] <ricotz> i hope the next run will do ;)
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, oh, it's already fixed in nss: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661609
[13:21] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:21] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 661609 in Build "Linux3.0.mk missing in security/coreconf for upcoming 3.0 kernel" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> i should probably take that patch, as it's a pain for me as well
[13:21] <seb128> kenvandine, eds upstream seems to have fixed your issues in git today
[13:24] <kenvandine> seb128, more?
[13:24] <kenvandine> great
[13:25]  * kenvandine goes to look
[13:25] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, the new issue you got yesterday
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-data-server/commit/?id=3326a82d03a2cb2799bae9a77e6ca20c601efdef
[13:30] <jbicha> mvo: you pushed transmission 2.33 today, right? I don't see the branch as having been merged in though
[13:35] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, ok, i just added "cp $(DEB_SRCDIR)/mozilla/security/coreconf/Linux2.6.mk $(DEB_SRCDIR)/mozilla/security/coreconf/Linux3.0.mk" to pre-build in rules
[13:40] <mvo> jbicha: indeed, let me check
[13:41] <Beret> I found a bug where if you make an application visible on all desktops and it happens to sit where a unity lens would appear, the lens goes behind the application
[13:41] <Beret> anyone happen to know if that's been reported already off hand?
[13:46] <seb128> Beret, hi, not that I know about
[13:53] <dobey> mvo: ping
[13:56] <seb128> poor mvo
[13:56] <seb128> he keeps being pinged today ;-)
[13:56] <mvo> hey dobey
[13:56] <mvo> seb128: and a segfault in apt that makes me crzay
[13:56] <mvo> I trade 5 pi(n)gs for a fix!
[13:56] <seb128> lol
[13:57] <seb128> mvo, easy trade for a vegetarian :p
[13:57] <mvo> lol
[13:57] <dobey> mvo: hey. i was looking at the atpdaemon.client module yesterday, but i don't see any way to simply check what version of a package is installed with it. is there no way to do that?
[13:58] <mvo> dobey: the aptdaemon stuff is mostly about acting on the pkgs in some way, for just querying, the easiest way is "import apt; cache=apt.Cache(); cache["2vcard"].is_installed or pkg=cache["apt"]; pkg.candidate.version"
[13:59] <mvo> dobey: python, right? that is what you need?
[13:59] <mvo> http://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/index.html
[13:59] <mvo> for the full API docs
[13:59] <dobey> mvo: yes. but was hoping to use a single api
[14:00] <mvo> dobey: ok, what information do you want to query exactly? I guess we can extend the aptdaemon.client api
[14:02] <dobey> mvo: hrmm, i think there was also no way to query if a repository is already added, and whether it is enabled
[14:03] <dobey> mvo: basically, i don't see any sort of query API in aptdaemon at all :)
[14:04] <dobey> mvo: i guess ideally, it makes sense to me for python-apt and python-aptdaemon to just be merged :)
[14:07] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: how's your bluetooth? I saw you had enabled hci2hid in bluez, but it seems like that's failing on my system, my dongle gets switched but doesn't seem to like it
[14:07] <mvo> dobey: I will discuss this with glatzor, so far the split was intentional, one API to query, one to "act"
[14:07] <mvo> dobey: for what component is this?
[14:09] <dobey> mvo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-ubuntuone-agile-delivery-of-u1
[14:09] <mvo> thx
[14:10] <mvo> this is a bit lame I admit, but couldn't you just trigger the install and catch the exception that gets triggered if its already insatlled?
[14:10] <dobey> mvo: so ubuntuone-installer. need to check that we're installed, before installing
[14:11] <dobey> mvo: no. the design is to just launch the control panel if we're already installed. and doing the install would require user entering password N times to do that admin stuff :-/
[14:12] <mvo> dobey: you could use a simulate transaction for this, but like I said, a bit lame
[14:13] <dobey> mvo: i'm not disagreeing with you. i'm just doing what i have to do.
[14:14] <mvo> but my suggestion for now would be python-apt as its well documented and most suitable for this
[14:18] <dobey> yeah. i don't have much choice :)
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i've just noticed here that the soname for libgcr-3 changed downwards in the latest gnome-keyring :/
[14:21] <kenvandine> seb128, yay... ebook gir works now!  at least for my minimal example
[14:21] <kenvandine> :)
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> (libgcr-3.so.1 => libgcr-3.so.0)
[14:21] <kenvandine> i can search for contacts and print the vcard
[14:21] <kenvandine> but now BigWhale is out of town... :(
[14:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you have the commit that did that handy?
[14:23] <seb128> kenvandine, great that it's fixed ;-)
[14:24] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know if that's normal we didn't get indicators stack update this week? what about libindicate-gtk on gtk3?
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i guess it's this one - http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/commit/configure.ac?id=b6928fd48a08f380fae02d0d2ea39a361c697825
[14:24] <kenvandine> it is normal, there wasn't a milestone for this week
[14:24] <kenvandine> indicator-sound is in the works
[14:24] <kenvandine> indicator-session might still come
[14:24] <kenvandine> and i need to look at libindicate again
[14:25] <seb128> kenvandine, the a3 freeze is on monday
[14:25] <seb128> kenvandine, we have a w.i for libindicate for a3, should we move it...?
[14:25] <kenvandine> not yet
[14:26] <kenvandine> i would like to try to get it done today
[14:26] <seb128> ok
[14:26] <kenvandine> i really want that in a3
[14:26] <kenvandine> but i have other stuff i want done for a3 too :)
[14:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I forgot that you were on #gnome-hackers...great ;-)
[14:26] <DBO> :( lightdm stopped working after upgrade
[14:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you just distro patch that commit out?
[14:27] <seb128> DBO, do you have lightdm-gtk-greeter installed?
[14:27] <DBO> checking
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i can distro-patch that. no symbols have actually been removed
[14:27] <DBO> just curious
[14:27] <DBO> should I?
[14:27] <seb128> DBO, yes
[14:28] <DBO> odd no...
[14:28] <DBO> lemme test again
[14:28] <DBO> brb
[14:29] <DBO> thanks seb128
[14:29] <seb128> DBO, you're welcome
[14:30] <seb128> DBO, you probably caught an update at the wrong time or use a mirror lagging behind
[14:30] <seb128> DBO, we got it fixed yesterday
[14:32]  * didrocks sees the growing MIR number to review… this will never ever finish?
[14:35] <seb128> didrocks, speaking of which can you promote the ones mterry acked?
[14:36] <didrocks> mterry: do you have the list handy?
[14:36] <seb128> didrocks, there was the upnp things for torrent recently and gnome-online-account and librest today
[14:36] <seb128> well at least those
[14:37] <didrocks> "upnp things" isn't a package :)
[14:37] <seb128> http://pad.lv/813308 and http://pad.lv/813318
[14:37] <didrocks> thanks
[14:37] <seb128> (copying the etherpad)
[14:38] <seb128> didrocks, thank you ;-)
[14:38] <didrocks> yw, doing now
[14:42] <didrocks> mterry: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633643, there seems to be a quite extensive discussion on the licence, I'm waiting on it to end then
[14:42] <ubot2> Debian bug 633643 in src:libnatpmp "libnatpmp: missing license in copyright file" [Serious,Open]
[14:43] <didrocks> m4n1sh: next package which new tarball packaged should fix it
[14:43] <didrocks> mterry: ^^
[14:43] <didrocks> sorry m4n1sh :)
[14:43] <mterry> didrocks, :)
[14:43] <didrocks> jbicha: care of packaging the new one?
[14:45] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, 6gb werent enough :\
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, oh? that surprises me
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> i know the build tree is large, but i didn't think it was that big ;)
[14:46] <ricotz> i was building in a pbuilder chroot
[14:46] <jbicha> didrocks: anything important in the French I should know?
[14:46] <ricotz> so it might only get 5gb
[14:46] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, it run out of space while building the thunderbird-dbg package ;)
[14:47] <didrocks> jbicha: they relicenced in BSD, so you should change it to that licence, and rerun by mterry with it, please :)
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, oh, that doesn't surprise me
[14:47] <didrocks> jbicha: basically, licencecheck -r * to ensure the licence change, and list that in debian/copyright
[14:51] <didrocks> jbicha: mterry: all the other are promoted
[14:51] <ricotz> seb128, i am getting to the rb package, was this patch considered for inclusion yet? -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/780747
[14:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 780747 in rhythmbox "Window does not always close when running gnome-shell" [Undecided,New]
[14:52] <seb128> ricotz, yes, please include it in the update
[14:53] <seb128> cyphermox: hey
[14:53] <seb128> cyphermox: do you still plan to update libgdata?
[14:53] <cyphermox> hey seb128
[14:53] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:53] <seb128> ok
[14:53] <cyphermox> I was still waiting for the mir
[14:53] <seb128> do it the other way around
[14:53] <seb128> upload, it will upload to raise the mir priority ;-)
[14:53] <seb128> once we have things depwaiting on it
[14:53] <cyphermox> alright
[14:53] <cyphermox> seems like I might have to re-do it now though, but it's no big deal
[14:54] <cyphermox> (I seem to not have the directory I did my work in)
[14:54] <seb128> oh, ok
[14:54] <seb128> no hurry, whenever you have time
[14:55] <cyphermox> ah, won't take much time. I'll start now
[14:57] <jbicha> my bzr merge-upstream is broken :-(
[14:59] <jbicha> maybe it's just this watch file & the upstream web server that confuses it
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> seb128, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/commit/gcr/gcr-collection-model.h?id=7b5e4e3c1e8cf94a03f1bd21eacb53991b32f6c6
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> without an soname change :(
[15:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, guess it's time for another ping to stefw ;-)
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> heh
[15:03] <seb128> do we use those function anywhere?
[15:04] <seb128> the number of rdepends for that lib is low I think
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128, empathy
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> not sure if it uses any of those symbols though
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> i could just install it and see ;)
[15:05] <seb128> yeah, please do it ;-)
[15:05] <seb128> but still ping stefw about it
[15:06] <ricotz> seb128, rb done
[15:06] <seb128> ricotz, thanks, where? ;-)
[15:06] <ricotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/780747
[15:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 780747 in rhythmbox "Window does not always close when running gnome-shell" [Undecided,New]
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, it doesn't use any of those symbols
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> so they're not used anywhere
[15:08] <seb128> still worth mentioning to upstream ;-)
[15:12] <jbicha> didrocks: I left a comment on the Debian bug, there's still 1 file under the other license
[15:13] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, thanks for the head's up!
[15:26] <hallyn> oneiric install did not go well, so I manually did 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'.  But now I can' tfind that background that cycles around space pictures.  Anyone know waht package that is in?
[15:27] <Daviey> hallyn: Sounds like a release critical bug. :)
[15:31] <hallyn> Daviey: I thought cjwatson had mentioned knowing about it
[15:34] <Daviey> hallyn: should be in screensaver-default-images
[15:34] <Daviey> /usr/share/backgrounds/space-*.jpg
[15:34] <jbicha> hallyn: upstream deleted them: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/commit/?id=41c743054269a4aa20aab2862258f4bc9e41b698
[15:38] <hallyn> jbicha: I'm going to cry
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, so, i'm missing something with gnome-keyring
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> i get "this connection is untrusted" errors with empathy now
[15:43] <seb128> bug or feature?
[15:44] <seb128> is the connection really untrusted?
[15:46] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: gtalk? it seemed to be giving me a self-signed certificate today
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i'm getting it with everything
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> it's related to the gnome-keyring update i'm testing
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> mterry, libsigsegv isn't a very reassuring name for a package ;)
[15:53] <cyphermox> ok
[15:53] <seb128> cyphermox, kenvandine: btw gnome-online-accounts got promoted and g-c-c built with it
[15:53] <cyphermox> cool
[15:53] <seb128> you can build evolution, gwibber or whatever needs it with it
[15:54] <cyphermox> but g-o-a requires libgdata
[15:54] <cyphermox> I mean
[15:54] <cyphermox> e-d-s with goa needs libgdata and liboauth :)
[15:54] <seb128> ok
[15:55] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll play with that
[15:55] <kenvandine> thx
[15:56]  * kenvandine heads out for some food, bbiab
[15:57] <cyphermox> seb128: I won't be able to upload libgdata; it's in core only (has been since natty); should that be changed?
[15:57] <seb128> cyphermox: did you plan by then to update libsoup or started on it as well? I'm not sure but I think you said you were doing it
[15:57] <cyphermox> i didn't put it in the list
[15:57] <cyphermox> but I was going to do that after, back then
[15:58] <seb128> cyphermox: yes it should, can you drop an email to cjwatson? I can upload the current version for you for today
[15:58] <cyphermox> ok
[15:58] <cyphermox> just testing the build now; but I still had my code after all
[15:58] <seb128> great
[16:02] <geser> does indicator-multiload work for someone? all I see looks like the "missing icon"
[16:43] <bigon> an idea about this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811805
[16:43] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 811805 in gdm "GDM spawn a metacity process that is not terminated when a user login" [Undecided,New]
[16:53] <cyphermox> seb128: for some reason the debian-dir-only branch for libgdata always seems to think it's a native package
[16:53] <seb128> cyphermox: is that a source v1 package?
[16:53] <cyphermox> seb128: I can force it not to by switching to format 3.0; but I don't understand why it otherwise
[16:53] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:53] <seb128> source v1 only do tar.gz orig
[16:54] <cyphermox> ah
[16:54] <cyphermox> never thought this could be it :)
[16:54] <cyphermox> thanks!
[16:54] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[16:54] <seb128> bigon, no idea no
[16:54] <didrocks> TypeError: __init__() takes at least 3 arguments (3 given)
[16:54] <didrocks> hum, is it python wanting to mess with me today? :)
[16:55] <seb128> didrocks, well if it can't troll you on friday... ;-)
[16:55] <didrocks> hum, on friday evening even? ;)
[16:56] <seb128> indeed
[16:56] <seb128> ;-)
[16:58] <didrocks> python is mean then! :)
[17:00] <davmor2> didrocks: it's not mean it's misunderstood
[17:00] <seb128> didrocks, is that python or g-i?
[17:03] <mterry> chrisccoulson, libsigsegv is job security
[17:07] <cyphermox> mterry: so what does libsigsegv do besides misusing memory?
[17:07] <cyphermox> :)
[17:09] <tremolux> didrocks: heyo! can I bug you on this lively Friday evening for a quick question about your branch lp:~didrocks/software-center/fix-label-set ?
[17:10] <tremolux> didrocks: I wonder if you have a specific condition that you need that change for
[17:10] <mterry> cyphermox, it's all about cross-platform handling of seg faults cleanly.  If I recall, the new gawk pulls it in, oddly
[17:10] <tremolux> didrocks: 'cuz it has a regression for the add-to-launcher feature
[17:11] <tremolux> didrocks: lively -> lovely
[17:11] <cyphermox> mterry: cool
[17:11] <cyphermox> wouldn't that interfere with apport if it traps the segfaults, etc. ?
[17:13] <didrocks> tremolux: yeah, for oneconf, basically, it seems I need that to not have it on the detail view
[17:13] <mterry> cyphermox, I don't know; probably depends on what gawk does when it handles its own.  I don't think we get that many reports from gawk anyway.  ;)
[17:13] <didrocks> (the "show/hide technical items")
[17:13] <cyphermox> nah :)
[17:14] <tremolux> didrocks: yeah, that should be showing there, but there must be a codepath in OneConf that shows it sounds like
[17:14] <tremolux> didrocks: that *shouldn't* be showing there (jeez) :p
[17:15] <didrocks> tremolux: indeed, but I can't find in softwarepane what makes that or not
[17:15] <didrocks> tremolux: seems really similar to me
[17:15] <didrocks> tremolux: I call that function and I'm in the same pane configuration (with the same indexes)
[17:16]  * ricotz still hopes for a rhythmbox upload :P
[17:18] <tremolux> didrocks: so the bug is that you are adding a panel with the oneconf view, and the "show/hide technical items" appears?
[17:18] <kenvandine> damn it's hot outside!  101F...
[17:19] <didrocks> tremolux: indeed, the oneconf pane is pretty similar to "available software one"
[17:19] <didrocks> so there is an applist
[17:19] <didrocks> and a detail view
[17:19] <didrocks> the "show/hide technical items" appears in the detail_view
[17:20] <tremolux> didrocks: ok, how about I run oneconf trunk and test?
[17:20] <tremolux> didrocks: seems we'll need to tweak that bit of logic a bit more
[17:21] <didrocks> tremolux: indeed, I have some bzr issues to commit, one sec…
[17:22] <didrocks> grrr, not sure what happens, it really doesn't want, rebranch and replying the latest diff
[17:24] <tremolux> didrocks: seems something's trying to tell you to start your weekend finally ;)
[17:28] <didrocks> tremolux: I guess so :)
[17:28] <didrocks> hum, bzr patch doesn't take from the other branch the renaming :/
[17:30] <tremolux> didrocks: bleh
[17:34] <didrocks> grrr, it really doesn't want…
[17:37] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2011/07/29/a-word-of-thanks/ <- now its official official
[17:40] <owais> Hey guys, anyone knows anything about WebKitGtk DOM access? Looks functions like GetElementById etc are not introspected in the Gir files. Any Idea when this will be fixed or HOW? or should I ask in #Motu?
[17:41] <didrocks> tremolux: ok, I pushed to latest trunk (recreating a new branch and having to report everything manually :/)
[17:41] <didrocks> tremolux: I think we will maybe look at it on Monday, other than that, everything in OneConf is ported to the new SSO, new server side, and new s-c gtk2!
[17:42] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: and http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201107/msg00072.html
[17:42] <cyphermox> seb128: for libgdata, I merge, you upload?
[17:43] <tremolux> didrocks: nice!!  \o/
[17:44] <tremolux> didrocks: I'll take a look at it today to see if I can fix up that panel problem
[17:44] <didrocks> tremolux: hum, you will need some data with other computers :-)
[17:44] <tremolux> didrocks: ah ah
[17:45] <didrocks> tremolux: there is an easy way to fake that actually, but you need to run the server by hand in trunk, so maybe on Monday?
[17:45] <tremolux> didrocks: ok, well it's not a blocker, correct? so we can take care of it next week
[17:45] <didrocks> tremolux: right
[17:45] <tremolux> didrocks: ok, sounds good  :)
[17:45] <tremolux> didrocks: have a great weekend!
[17:45] <didrocks> tremolux: thanks, you too!
[17:46]  * tremolux runs for some lunch
[17:46] <jcastro> heya didrocks
[17:47] <jcastro> didrocks: remember how we went through all those quicklists at UDS?
[17:47] <didrocks> jcastro: yeah!
[17:47] <jcastro> are we keeping track of progress?
[17:48] <didrocks> jcastro: there is a blueprint of that and cdbs seems to tackle some, but there is still a lot to do…
[18:04] <didrocks> good weekend everyone
[18:49] <seb128> cyphermox: yeah, feel free to merge, I will review and upload next week (it's friday evening there and I'm calling it a week, no hurry anyway since it will be depwaiting on a mir review)
[22:08] <fhd> Hi. I'm setting up a system for Ubuntu development, so I installed the latest daily build of oneiric. There is for some reason no /etc/X11/xorg.conf - how can I add more resolutions?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Hasn't been an xorg.conf for many releases now. Usually, you can create one and it will be used
[22:16] <fhd> charlie-tca: Oh, never noticed. Guess it's been a while since my solution wasn't recognised correctly.
[22:17] <charlie-tca> at least three releases now without one
[22:17] <fhd> charlie-tca: Can I somehow dump the default/current configuration to xorg.conf so I don't break anything else?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to do it
[22:18] <charlie-tca> If you have an nvidia card, you can install the hardware drivers and it will create the xorg.conf file.
[22:18] <fhd> charlie-tca: plain old intel
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, it's kind of a guessing game
[22:19] <maxb> Although, you don't need to write a full xorg.conf, afaik - X still seems to autodetect bits you don't override
[22:20] <charlie-tca> This might help - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[22:20] <charlie-tca> It at least gives some of xorg.conf
[22:21] <fhd> charlie-tca: Thanks, I'll take a look


[19:45] <MichealH> Omega: Its time we had annother meeting :)
[20:18] <Omega> I agree.
[20:18] <Omega> Saturday?


[17:48] <olly> morning
[18:48] <Atamira> morning !
[18:49] <kcj> Morning.
[19:24] <ajmitch> morning
[20:13] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:00] <chilts> morning


[01:37] <Jagst3r15> so it goes: Linux > Debian =/> Ubuntu > GNOME =/> UNITY ?
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> uh...
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> what?
[01:46] <Jagst3r15> nvm lool
[02:46] <IdleOne> it goes, UBUNTU.!
[14:11] <AlanBell> I am just installing cyanogenmod right now, but I would rather be installing Ubuntu