[00:21] <adlez_> Hey guys, I installed kubuntu on my MacBook. Everything runs fine! :) But sometime ago a read something about the fan-system using linux. I should install some packages. Anyone suggestions? :)
[01:26] <Marius80> hi
[01:27] <Marius80> I've got some questions concerning the look and feel of kubuntu
[01:27] <monkeyjuice> you dont like the look and feel?
[01:28] <Marius80> when I open kwrite,  type some stuff,  and save it,  dialogue window opens (to save it)
[01:28] <Marius80> then I double click on an existing file in order to overwrite it
[01:28] <Marius80> but:  nothing happens...  I double click,  triple click...  nothing...
[01:29] <monkeyjuice> is it only kwrite that is doing this
[01:30] <Marius80> kate as well
[01:30] <Marius80> lemme see if openoffice does the same...
[01:30] <Marius80> one moment pls
[01:30] <gotoguy> cant you just select the file and just hit save?
[01:30] <Marius80> also openoffice
[01:31] <Marius80> gotoguy, I could ... but why should we all miss features KDE3 already achieved
[01:32] <OerHeks> Kate askes nicely if i want to overwrite.
[01:33] <Marius80> OerHeks, what version pls?
[01:33] <Marius80> I am on Kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[01:33] <monkeyjuice> double click seems to just put the name in then your asked to overwrite
[01:34] <OerHeks> kate 3.9.3
[01:34] <monkeyjuice> after you hit save
[01:34] <Marius80> if I click on "save",  I also get the same question
[01:34] <Marius80> only double clicking does not give me this question
[01:36] <Snowhog> Marius80: That's just how it is in KDE 4. KDE 4 is not like KDE 3.
[01:37] <shadeslayer> hm
[01:37] <gotoguy> ditto for monkeyjuice, that's how mine works too.
[01:37] <shadeslayer> also happens in 4.9.90
[01:37] <Marius80> Snowhog, I guess you are a developer and you're annoyed by many people's questions like "why does kde4 not behave like kde3?"  :-)
[01:39] <gotoguy> Why is BasKet Notes now broke when it worked perfectly in KDE3?   I know why, but I guess the maintainer isn't going to fix it either.
[01:40] <gotoguy> I wrote the maintainer of Basket Notes a email and he said no new versions are planned. Even though it is now in Beta.
[01:41] <OerHeks> I thinkit is a good system, double click on a file to replace it does not replace it without warning.
[01:41] <shadeslayer> Marius80: I recommend reporting a bug on bugs.kde.org
[01:41] <shadeslayer> the maintainers probably know why that functionality was removed
[01:42] <gotoguy> I would rather have it NOT overwrite without asking to be sure.
[01:43] <gotoguy> It's not a bug, it's a feature.
[01:44] <Marius80> an other annoying thing:   a window is set to  "keep above others"
[01:45] <Marius80> then I open krunner  (ALT+F2)
[01:45] <Marius80> and krunner is not on the top,  it is behind the window
[01:45] <shadeslayer> you did tell kwin to keep a window above everything else
[01:45] <shadeslayer> which is exactly what it's doing
[01:46] <Marius80> shadeslayer, actually kde3 knew,  that the run window should be "more above"
[01:47] <shadeslayer> make a new window rule to do that?
[01:47] <OerHeks> krunner altF2 shows on top of any window that i marked 'keep above others'
[01:48] <shadeslayer> same here
[01:48] <Marius80> OerHeks, in kubuntu 12.04 ?
[01:48] <OerHeks> no, 12.10
[01:48] <Marius80> hum... I might need to upgrade
[01:49] <Marius80> does in 12.10  the Enter-Bug exist?
[01:49] <shadeslayer> Enter-Bug?
[01:49] <Marius80> ALT+F2  ... type in a command... then enter...
[01:49] <Marius80> enter again
[01:49] <Marius80> enter...
[01:49] <Marius80> and then it starts
[01:49] <FloodBotK1> Marius80: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:49] <Marius80> sorry for flooding
[01:49] <shadeslayer> never heard of such a bug
[01:49] <OerHeks> Nope, that glitch is solved
[01:50] <OerHeks> now it shows directly with typing the available command/commands and responds to enter
[01:50] <Marius80> I might need to install 12.10
[01:51] <Marius80> since 12.10 offers no alternate install cd...  can I use the xubuntu one and install  kubuntu-desktop later on?
[01:51] <gotoguy> try: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade       will do the trick.
[01:52] <oneadvent> hi, i'm trying to setup samba shares with dolphin and i keep getting asked for a password on the other side
[01:52] <oneadvent> can someone help me
[01:53] <Marius80> gotoguy, thx
[01:53] <Marius80> one more question...
[01:53] <gotoguy> no prob.
[01:53] <Marius80> in the open dialogue window (e.g. from kwrite)  I would like to achieve the following behaviour
[01:54] <Marius80> 1 click on folders should open them  but to open files,  I want to use  double clicks
[01:54] <Marius80> (as it was on kde3)
[01:55] <Marius80> I could only find a setting to make  folders and files  open by double click or single click
[01:55] <Marius80> but I couldn't find an option to make folders open with a single click and files with a double click
[01:55] <shadeslayer> Marius80: use the mini.iso and install kubuntu-desktop
[01:56] <shadeslayer> Marius80: such an option doesn't exist
[01:56] <shadeslayer> probably because the developers thought that it would be inconsistent
[01:57] <Marius80> hum
[01:57] <gotoguy> I wish for that feature too.
[01:57] <Marius80> gotoguy, what can we do to make developers build this feature?
[01:58] <gotoguy> probably write a comment to the developers mailing list.
[01:59] <gotoguy> first you have to join the list.
[01:59] <Marius80> gotoguy, would you mind asking?
[02:00] <gotoguy> Yeah, thats a good idea, I will do it.
[02:00] <Marius80> thank you very much gotoguy
[02:00] <gotoguy> no prob.
[02:01] <monkeyjuice> its the little things that make it better ;)
[02:02] <Marius80> oh... one more thing found:
[02:03] <Marius80> kwrite should open in the the folder a file has been opened from last
[02:03] <Marius80> example:  Last time I used kwrite,  I was in  /var/www/vhosts/test.tld
[02:03] <Marius80> when I open kwrite again,  I am in  /home/user/Documents
[02:06] <gotoguy> Marius80: right click your icon, the change the default path to open.
[02:08] <gotoguy> brb.
[02:12] <OerHeks> hi ralfi & 5 clones
[02:14] <Marius80> lol
[04:10] <AlexZion> hi guys, since few weeks I have a strange proble using amarok which often speeds up my cpus work's and so even temperature ...., some good start point to understand wath's going on ?
[04:11] <Platypus-Man> opening a terminal and typing a command called "top" will show you what is using up the PC's resources
[04:12] <AlexZion> yeah Platypus-Man I already checked and is amarok ....
[04:13] <AlexZion> and now it doesn't works anymore at all ...
[04:13] <AlexZion> no sound ...
[04:13] <Platypus-Man> ok, I'm a noob, so I have no clue beyond that really :p
[04:13] <AlexZion> ok , i'll check the phonon backend ...
[04:33] <artichoku> howdie
[04:34] <artichoku> anyone alive?
[04:35] <artichoku> hrm...
[05:03] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[05:26] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[05:45] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[06:14] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[10:10] <kristjan> Question for all Sony Xperia smartphone users, How can i update my android version with Kubuntu
[10:22] <shadeslayer> kristjan: usually Android does OTA updates
[10:26] <kristjan> i dont know, just got my xperia go and there is gingerbread installed, Ice cream sandwitch should be available for this model
[10:26] <kristjan> i did all updates
[10:27] <kristjan> i have win xp installed to virtual box
[10:27] <kristjan> but i cant access usb device from there
[10:40] <flavia_> hi, what's a good recording software for kubuntu?
[10:46] <shadeslayer> kristjan: I recommend googling around a bit
[10:47] <shadeslayer> kristjan: there's no installer per se for Kubuntu
[10:47] <shadeslayer> s/installer/updater/
[10:47] <shadeslayer> flavia_: what do you want to record?
[10:49] <flavia_> shadeslayer: speech (professor in class, rather long distance with background noise :)
[10:51] <flavia_> I'm trying out audacity, seems to do the job...
[10:52] <shadeslayer> flavia_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_audio_software#Recording.2C_editing_and_mastering
[11:39] <mariana_> HAY NICE TO MEET YOU
[11:40] <monkeyjuice> morning
[11:40] <mariana_> MORNING TOO
[11:40] <mariana_> WHERE DO YOU COME FROM
[11:41] <monkeyjuice> me? i live in the usa
[11:42] <mariana_> USA IAM FROM INDONESIA HOW I U TO DAY
[11:42] <shadeslayer> !caps
[11:42] <monkeyjuice> just got up need coffee ;)
[11:44] <mariana_> oke yhank
[12:17] <mike7b4_lenovo> Hi, I am using alpha version of kubuntu 13.04 because I wanted to try out new version of kate. Problem is I can't figure out where kubuntu installs kate developer header files or what package it is in (libkate-dev is installed but missing files mainwindow.h/plugin.h), Anyone who knows?
[12:41] <yofel> mike7b4_lenovo: the development files for kate aren't shipped
[12:42] <yofel> mike7b4_lenovo: if you need them please file a bug
[12:42] <mike7b4_lenovo> hmm ok
[13:26] <swex> help me please, why network manager ignores its vpn dns settings?
[13:26] <swex> I'm setting up vpn connection but my dns records still the same as before..
[13:30] <markit> hi, anyone know how to set video to use 16bpp?
[13:31] <markit> I want to do some experiment with that color depth
[14:52] <bodom> Hi there, i think i have a simple question: how do i launch telepathy (the new kde messenger)?
[14:58] <markit> bodom: I've no idea, but if you installed, and go in K menu and type "telep" it should appear
[14:58] <markit> maybe after a pair of minutes since you installed
[14:59] <bodom> markit: that's what i supposed too, but there's no sign of it
[14:59] <markit> open a terminal, start typing telep and then press TAB one or more tiles
[14:59] <markit> look if there is a name that could fit it
[14:59] <markit> then run it
[15:00] <bodom> markit: nothing again
[15:00] <markit> bodom: ehm, are you sure it was installed? what version of kubuntu are you using?
[15:00] <bodom> markit: neither ktel, k-tel, etc..
[15:00] <Rayonant> I think it is easier to do it trough krunner
[15:01] <bodom> markit: i've used sudo apt-get install telepathy-core kde-telepathy, not 100% sure, but command completed without errors
[15:01] <Rayonant> start typing telep
[15:01] <Rayonant> it should appear
[15:01] <markit> let me try with a live cd in a VM
[15:01] <bodom> it's quantal
[15:02] <markit> bodom: of course you are type in lowercase
[15:02] <bodom> markit: ofc, i'm using linux since 12 years
[15:03] <markit> so it's quantal or I have to check?
[15:03] <markit> probably telephaty is the underlaying "technology" or "layer" AFAIR
[15:05] <Rayonant> bodom try launching it form krunner, that is the way I do it, anyway the next time you boot it will start so you should try reboot
[15:07] <bodom> Rayonant: I cannot find it on krunner, will try reboot, but i cannot atm
[15:09] <dimitrispt> bodom, have checked the System Settings for the 'Instant Messaging Accounts' icon?
[15:09] <dimitrispt> *have you checked...
[15:11] <bodom> dimitrispt: i have one account defined there, disconnected
[15:11] <dimitrispt> then, as Rayonant said, you need to reboot... or re-login
[15:13] <bodom> i may be old-school, but is it possible that there is no command line executable to launch it?
[15:17] <bodom> finally found it! It's ktp-*
[15:30] <Rayonant> glad you found it bodom :)
[16:08] <haakonn> please press the power button on the kubuntu.org server or something
[16:12] <haakonn> i was wondering if there is a ppa or something for the kde 4.10 RC
[16:14] <Peace-> haakonn: there should be one but i don'0t remember ... and of course it's not supported
[16:14] <haakonn> yay kubuntu.org is back
[16:14] <haakonn> Peace-:  that's a given
[16:14] <hellslinger> does anyone know how to change the position for the OSD for brightness and volume?
[16:14] <haakonn> seems there is only beta 2
[16:18] <haakonn> no, it's actually 4.9.95 == 4.10 RC, yay
[16:27] <markit> haakonn: will be a backport of 4.10 for 12.04?
[16:27] <markit> I only see ppa for 12.10...
[16:28] <haakonn> the rc is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[16:29] <markit> haakonn: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.90 says is for 12.10, not for 12.04
[16:30] <haakonn> markit:  oh, yes, i'm on 12.10
[16:30] <haakonn> if you're on 12.04, you're not supposed to like new things
[16:31] <markit> haakonn: well, is 4.10, not 5.0
[16:31] <yofel> markit: there are no official backports planned for 12.04, usually you get backports only for the current stable release
[16:32] <markit> yofel: ah, not for LTS also? mmm
[16:32] <markit> I've an issue with plasma at 16bpp, almost unusable, hope they fixed in 4.10
[16:33] <yofel> not for the LTS, no. It's a matter of what you can support (and have time for)
[16:35] <markit> yofel: sure, just hoped :)
[16:45] <artichoku> well no one is here at night. how about this morning?
[16:47] <TheLordOfTime> artichoku, if you don't ask a question nobody answers you
[16:47] <TheLordOfTime> post your REAL question, and wait
[16:48] <TheLordOfTime> it can take time to get a response
[16:48] <TheLordOfTime> especially this time of year.
[16:51] <artichoku> I recently did a fresh install of Kubuntu 12.10 64bit. I'm trying to switch from the STA wifi driver to the b43. I can successfully uninstall the STA driver, and even install and modprobe (without any errors) the b43 driver, but it still refuses to show up as usable.
[16:51] <artichoku> my interface disappears altogether
[18:21] <skrite> hey all
[19:02] <brun0> hi all, is somebody using yakuake here ?
[19:02] <Bigcheese> I do!
[19:03] <brun0> Bigcheese, my f12 keybinding isn't working
[19:03] <brun0> is it necessary some workaround ?
[19:04] <Bigcheese> make sure it's the global key for it.
[19:04] <Bigcheese> And that yakuake is actually running.
[19:05] <brun0> Bigcheese, yes i ran the ps command and it's runnin
[19:05] <brun0> Bigcheese, yes i ran the ps command and it's running
[19:05] <brun0> how can check the global key ?
[19:06] <Bigcheese> I've only done it from within yakuake.
[19:08] <brun0> Bigcheese, there is a option inside Shortcuts configuration
[19:08] <brun0> the option is Open/Retract Yakuake
[19:08] <Bigcheese> Yeah
[19:08] <Bigcheese> The far right column is the global key.
[19:08] <brun0> Shortcut is clean and Global is with F12 value
[19:08] <Bigcheese> Are you on a laptop?
[19:08] <brun0> Global has f12 value
[19:09] <brun0> no
[19:09] <brun0> i'm using a desktop
[19:09] <Bigcheese> Does your keyboard do stuff?
[19:09] <Bigcheese> :P
[19:09] <Bigcheese> Like have multifunction function keys.
[19:14] <Bigcheese> Dude
[19:16] <gribouille> Hi
[19:16] <gribouille> I have a problem with the trema. when I type ë, I get ê. what does that mean?
[19:32] <brun0> Bigcheese, when i changed to F7 it worked
[19:32] <Bigcheese> good
[19:32] <brun0> i think there is some conflict with some KDE shortcut
[19:32] <Bigcheese> Something was probably stealing F12.
[20:02] <DarthFrog> Yakuake uses F12.
[20:12] <skrite> hey all, is there a way in kubuntu to export all of my desktop settings to import into another computer? thanks
[20:13] <DarthFrog> skrite:  If that computer will be running KDE, everything is under ~/.kde
[20:14] <DarthFrog> Or you could just copy your entire home directory to the new machine. :-)
[20:15] <skrite> DarthFrog: i am looking to do this also for upgrade purposes. like saving a 12.04 settings and place the .kde folder into place over my .kde when i bump up to 12.10
[20:16] <skrite> DarthFrog: thanks for your help !
[20:48] <artichoku> I am requesting assistance replacing the broadcom STA driver with the b43 driver. I'm running kubuntu 12.10. I have tried the following. purge of sta and install of b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer. also tried b43-fwcutter in combo with the legacy and lpphy installers. both added and removed b43 from blacklist.conf. seems no matter what i do it won't let me use the b4 driver, but hardware info indicates that my card i
[20:48] <artichoku> s supported. However, i have received an error on multiple occasions that the driver must be installed manually.
[21:12] <markit2> mm trying 4.10 (.95), with a black backtroundn or a terminal open those trasparencies of K menu or activities or calendar or whatever are unreadable... am I doing something wrong?
[21:26] <KJ_agent007> umm..i need help
[21:28] <KJ_agent007> can someone help me?
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> KJ_agent007, if you ask your actual question maybe
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> nobody'll help you unless you provide details
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> such as what's wrong.
[21:28] <KJ_agent007> ok..how do i change to different rooms?
[21:29] <thelionroars> TheLordOfTime: you are discounting all the people in the chatroom who are telepathic
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> thelionroars, which is 3 people.
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> all of whom havent posted for 3 months :P
[21:29] <KJ_agent007> how can i find different rooms on here?
[21:29] <thelionroars> yes, shame on you
[21:29] <thelionroars> just /j the #channel
[21:30] <thelionroars>  so /j #ubuntu
[21:30] <thelionroars> or whatever channel you want to join
[21:30] <KJ_agent007> how do i find the channels?
[21:31] <thelionroars> you can use the /list command
[21:32] <KJ_agent007> and whats that?
[21:32] <macram> KJ_agent007 which client are you using?
[21:32] <thelionroars> but the output is fairly big
[21:32] <KJ_agent007> im using..Quassel IRC
[21:32] <KJ_agent007> im runnin Kubuntu Linux
[21:32] <macram> KJ_agent007: there is also Konversation :)
[21:33] <DarthFrog> I prefer Konversation to Quassel.
[21:33] <KJ_agent007> where do i find different rooms on here?
[21:33] <macram> KJ_agent007: looking for the GUI option, please stay tuned, mate
[21:33] <macram> ;)
[21:36] <macram> you can join a channel with a button in the toolbar
[21:36] <macram> bt i can't find a channel list window :S
[21:36] <KJ_agent007> hmmm
[21:36] <KJ_agent007> okk
[21:36] <KJ_agent007> thank you anyways
[21:37] <macram> KJ_agent007: try installing Konversation, is in the software center
[21:38] <KJ_agent007> okk
[21:38] <thelionroars> the problem I have with Konversation, which I'm using now, is that I can't work out how to auto-identify to more than one server at once
[21:38] <KJ_agent007> found it
[21:39] <thelionroars> If my identity identifies to freenode, when I go on quakenet it will try to contact nickserv on quakenet also
[21:39] <yofel> can you edit the server settings and set a password? If you put your nickserv password there it should auto identify as well
[21:41] <thelionroars> I'll try the commands section under the server, hopefully that'll work
[22:34] <markit> anyone here using kde 4.95 (4.10)?
[22:34] <markit> I don't know if is a problem of my hardware or not, but I have plasmoids like K or the activity with transparency
[22:34] <markit> that makes them unusable
[22:39] <kristjan> weird
[22:40] <markit> kristjan: are you talking with me? can you confirm?
[22:40] <markit> (the problem I mean)
[22:40] <kristjan> i confirm i dont know what u r talking about
[22:42] <markit> kristjan: because you have kde 4.10 and not my proble, or you don' thave kde 4.10 at all and just want to make me aware you are alive?
[22:44] <kristjan> im alive
[22:44] <kristjan> i think im the only one left in this world
[22:45] <kristjan> totally useless for you
[22:45] <kristjan> sorry
[22:45] <markit> :)
[22:58] <Marius80> hi
[22:58] <Marius80> I got a very bad problem on a very new installation of "Lubuntu" 12.10
[23:00] <Marius80> since there is no "alternate installation cd" for Kubuntu 12.10,  I decided downloading and installing  Lubuntu 12.10  which comes up with an alternate CD
[23:01] <Marius80> after the installation completed,  I wanted to install  "kubuntu-desktop"
[23:01] <Marius80> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SmAUnC2B
[23:01] <Marius80> ^^ this is what happens
[23:01] <Marius80> how can I solve this problem?
[23:02] <markit> what problem? just install and hope :)
[23:03] <Unit193> !mini | You can install the core system with a debian installer here
[23:03] <markit> Marius80: if you enter "Y" the lubuntu desktop will be removed, and kubuntu installed, that's ok. You will break 2 little dependencies, you will fix later
[23:04] <Unit193> See also,
[23:04] <Unit193> !purekde
[23:04] <Marius80> markit: well, the mini.iso  would only work with a working internet connection while installing, right?
[23:04] <markit> Unit193: interesting info, thanks
[23:04] <Unit193> markit: Sure thing.
[23:04] <Unit193> Marius80: Yes.
[23:05] <Marius80> actually I can only connect to my WIFI using the  KDE interface or the one from Lubuntu... whenever I tried using the shell,  it did not work out
[23:05] <Marius80> same goes for the wicd program....  it does not connect to the WIFI
[23:05] <Marius80> so I prefered using a graphical installation
[23:06] <Marius80> but thank you very much for the advice
[23:06] <Marius80> markit?
[23:07] <Marius80> markit: I am not sure if it is really okay to hit "Y"
[23:07] <markit> Marius80: I think it is, in any case you don't have any other choice
[23:08] <Marius80> markit: I go for it...  will you try to help me resolving the dependencies after the installation finished?
[23:08] <markit> Marius80: I'm trying to help libreoffice 4.0 QA at the moment, but sure if I have some spare time
[23:09] <Marius80> markit: erm... how comes,  apt-get  offers to do it without any hassle?
[23:09] <markit> I mean, I will be around for an hour at least, so feel free to ask, hope you will be able to reconnect though
[23:09] <markit> Marius80: well, how could they predict all the relation and problems that can arise from some thousand packets?
[23:10] <markit> apt just warns you about what it knows... dependencies declared by the packagers
[23:10] <Marius80> markit: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9JSjWxnV
[23:10] <markit> in any case, seems you will miss dependencies for non essential programs
[23:10] <markit> let me see
[23:11] <markit> ok, fine
[23:12] <Marius80> would you trust apt-get over aptitude in this case?
[23:15] <doctorpepper> hi guys!
[23:15] <doctorpepper> is there any way to install kde-4.10 rcs  on 12.04 ?
[23:16] <heoyea> try backports
[23:16] <jEhrichs> doctorpepper: see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.90
[23:16] <Marius80> doctorpepper: hell don't try that
[23:16] <jEhrichs> ? works like a charm here
[23:17] <Marius80> I installed kde from backports and what I got is the reason why I reinstalled the system
[23:17] <jEhrichs> oha this shouldn't happen. what problems did you had exactly?
[23:17] <Marius80> parts of the system settings _always_ crahsed when opening
[23:17] <Marius80> the ALT+F2 krunner dialog was messed up
[23:18] <Marius80> and unmet dependencies
[23:18] <doctorpepper> jEhrichs:  the links is actually for 12.10 not 12.04
[23:18] <Marius80> I installed kde 4.9.3  (I think) on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[23:18] <jEhrichs> ah wupps now that you mentionion it. yeah i have 12.10 running.
[23:19] <Marius80> oh I see
[23:19] <Marius80> sorry
[23:19] <Marius80> did not know that... no clue if it works in 12.10... I am on 12.10 since about 20 minutes
[23:19] <markit> Marius80: I have 12.04 in some pc with backports, and kde works fine, maybe you messed it up with something else
[23:19] <jEhrichs> still this should not happen. but seems it might be really better to stay away from 4.10 on kubuntu 12.04
[23:19] <markit> jEhrichs: there is NO 4.10 in 12.04
[23:20] <Marius80> markit: I need to tell that I have also had installed the trinity-desktop
[23:20] <jEhrichs> M*narf* 12.04 was what i meant
[23:20] <Marius80> maybe thats why
[23:20] <markit> maybe... ;P
[23:20] <markit> btw, my netbook now has 12.10 with 4.10 and seems to work fine
[23:21] <markit> except a transparency issue, but I do fear is a mad kde design decision
[23:21] <Marius80> ok then I will try that out here
[23:21] <jEhrichs> laptop with 12.10 and 4.10 running fine since 2 days
[23:21] <Marius80> markit: as you know, I am on Lubuntu 12.10
[23:21] <jEhrichs> markit: transparency in plasma design? this seems to be a bug
[23:21] <markit> jEhrichs: do you have visual effects enabled, and K menu, calendar, activities etc plasmoid with transparencies?
[23:21] <Marius80> at the moment,  "ubuntu-desktop" is installing (Gnome)
[23:22] <Marius80> how would I install KDE 4.10  from backports?  Should I NOT install  "kubuntu-desktop" for that?
[23:22] <jEhrichs> i switched the plasma theme back and fourth and everything looks normal again
[23:22] <markit> Marius80: first, install kubuntu NORMAL
[23:22] <markit> then if system is stable, activate backport and do an upgrade
[23:22] <markit> you are doing a too far jump otherwise, OMHO
[23:22] <markit> jEhrichs: do you mind my showing you a picture of what I mean?
[23:23] <jEhrichs> markit: feel free to show it
[23:23] <Marius80> by saying "install kubuntu normal" - do you mean I shall delete my system (Lubuntu) ?
[23:23] <Marius80> or do you mean I should install "kubuntu-desktop"
[23:23] <markit> jEhrichs: http://imagebin.org/240703
[23:23] <jEhrichs> no need to delete "lubuntu" you can install kubuntu.desktop and use both systems
[23:24] <markit> Marius80: I mean you should not activate additional PPA for backports or kde
[23:24] <markit> s/or/of
[23:24] <markit> jEhrichs: does it happen to you too? do you have effects activated?
[23:25] <jEhrichs> markit: my desktop looked simmilar after the desktop. I switched the Plasma theme from air to something else and now back to "Air for netbooks" and this one looks normal and correct
[23:25] <markit> I've opened a terminal full screen to show it better
[23:25] <jEhrichs> i assume this is a bug in the "Air" plasma theme
[23:26] <markit> jEhrichs: maybe a config problem then? you mean you switched back to the same theme?
[23:26] <markit> (I usually don't change theme, don't remember them by name)
[23:26] <jEhrichs> no in conculsion i swutched from "Air" (the default) to "Air for netbooks" kinda like the default
[23:26] <jEhrichs> *switched
[23:27] <jEhrichs> the "Air" theme is still bugged with the mising/transparent backgrounds
[23:28] <markit> jEhrichs: something devs are aware, or better file a bug?
[23:29] <Marius80> ok,  gnome has installed...  I need to switch my desktop environment... will be back soon... then I try to install  KDE
[23:29] <Marius80> see you soon
[23:29] <jEhrichs> no idea, i just assumed this was already be filed as this was very present right after the update (so everyone should have noticed it)
[23:31] <markit> jEhrichs: is just I fear so much the "aesthetic madness" that thought was a new brilliant decision to make it "cooler"
[23:32] <jEhrichs> nah I really can't believe this was done on purpose. otherwise we would have gotten thum blurred baackground instead


[00:30] <pleia2> erg, formatting of my emails has been all wonky lately, stupid gmail
[00:31] <pleia2> keeps getting all squished together in spite of me sending it with proper line breaks
[01:35] <Unit193> pleia2: But you didn't sign it, how do I know it's from you? ;)
[04:41] <pleia2> knome: hmm, did you ever hear back from IS about the latest revision? (I see it was submitted 10 days ago, but no updates)
[04:41] <pleia2> (and yes, I know you're sleeping :))
[08:26] <ochosi> meh, why can't i set the bug-status of bug #897912 to wontfix?
[11:41] <knome> pleia2, they pulled rev 5's to production already
[11:41] <knome> pleia2, asked them at #canonical-sysadmin
[12:12] <ochosi> knome: thanks for the comment on the bugreport, i wanted to add that but then forgot
[12:52] <scott-work> good morning :)
[12:55] <madnick> morning!
[13:36] <scott-work> how are you this morning madnick?
[13:37] <scott-work> oh, madnick, weren't you working on the lightdm greeter theme?  any idea when that will be pushed to the repos?
[13:45] <madnick> scott-work: soon :) we are discussing the apperence and similar things :)
[14:10] <astraljava> Anyone in here knows anything about device entries for SD cards on a card reader? Why they get different device entry mappings sometimes, and how can I force it some particular entry, if it's available?
[14:10] <astraljava> My google-fu doesn't seem to help now.
[14:12] <GridCube> astraljava: i think it takes it like an usb drive
[14:14] <GridCube> i don't know if this could help you http://www.basicconfig.com/linux/mount
[14:15] <astraljava> GridCube: It wouldn't, as I'm not interested in mounting the device. I just want to have it in one particular device entry, specifically /dev/sdb
[14:15] <GridCube> mmmhm
[14:16] <GridCube> so you can get its uuid
[14:16] <GridCube> and add it to fstab
[14:16] <GridCube> ?
[14:16] <GridCube> no, that would be for particular memories and not for slots
[14:18] <astraljava> And still, fstab deals with mounting a certain device entry to a mount point. It's too late at that point.
[14:19] <GridCube> mmmhm and this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127
[14:21] <astraljava> Again, too late. They already have device entries at that time, and they talk about automounting the devices regardless of their entry.
[14:21] <GridCube> mmmkay, what about this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Map_Custom_Device_Entries_with_udev
[14:23] <astraljava> I'm not sure you're seeing the problem here. The device is seemingly randomly mapped to different device entry. udev deals with the entry according to some signals/messages it receives _only_ after the mapping has been done. It's already too late at that point.
[14:24] <GridCube> oh, okay, i though you needed to tell a card reader what device locations assing to particular slots
[14:26] <astraljava> Yeah, sorry I might have asked in a confusing manner.
[14:28] <GridCube> so, astraljava, this wont help either http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-usbcardreader ?
[14:28] <charlie-tca> GridCube: looks like we got the same thing out of UDS again. All agreed in person, reality after is we will have to track daily testing ourselves in precise
[14:28] <GridCube> :o
[14:28] <GridCube> but i started tracking on qa already
[14:29] <GridCube> :D but then again i did just one test :P
[14:29] <madnick> astraljava: is the kernel name the same for the device everytime?
[14:29] <madnick> (it sorta should be)
[14:30] <charlie-tca> milestones are tracked on QA tester, daily for us is not
[14:30] <GridCube> charlie-tca: :/ well... they are
[14:31] <GridCube> at least they where till yesterday
[14:31] <GridCube> haven't check today
[14:31] <charlie-tca> really? Did I look at the wrong report?
[14:32] <charlie-tca> This week is alpha1 testing, it is different
[14:32] <GridCube> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/7196/testcases/138/results
[14:32] <charlie-tca> We will see after Friday
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Um, that is "milestones", not daily
[14:36] <madnick> charlie-tca: they did tell us that, they will look at our needs aswell, and that we shouldnt need to have our own system
[14:36] <Gridcube> sorry
[14:36] <charlie-tca> I know, I was there
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Um, that is "milestones", not daily
[14:36] <Gridcube> i had to reloging
[14:36] <Gridcube> but it says daily :(
[14:37] <charlie-tca> qatracker/milestones...
[14:37] <charlie-tca> We will see next week, then
[14:38] <charlie-tca> They have been tracking Ubuntu daily testing all month, though
[14:39] <Gridcube> charlie-tca: i would guess thats just  a name that didnt got changed
[14:39] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:40] <charlie-tca> so who is testing this alpha1 that must be done today?
[14:40] <Gridcube> i could ask the guy on #ubuntu-release , he has been really nice to us :)
[14:41] <Gridcube> the tracker has almost all amd64 tests done, i will starts some i386 one now
[14:41] <charlie-tca> never mind. today the priority is to test the alpha1 image if we plan to have it
[14:41] <charlie-tca> um, there are NO alternate tests done
[14:42] <charlie-tca> are we only going to have desktop cd?
[14:42] <Gridcube> i will do alternate
[14:42] <Gridcube> thats the only ISO i have
[14:42] <madnick> I've not been able to test anything this week
[14:42] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:43] <charlie-tca> This is more important than daily tests'
[14:43] <Gridcube> :)
[14:43] <charlie-tca> I had a good vacation. Am I still here?
[14:45] <Gridcube> :D
[14:45] <Gridcube> you are
[14:46] <madnick> Welcome back =)
[14:47] <Gridcube> how do i use the "enviromental variable" http://linux.die.net/man/1/zsync
[14:54] <Gridcube> \o/ yay! success!
[14:54] <Gridcube> zsync now works
[14:54] <Gridcube> at 1kbs
[14:54] <Gridcube> :(
[14:56] <Gridcube> :o i already had the latest image :D
[14:57] <Gridcube> starting alternate i386 tests
[14:57] <charlie-tca> I don't use the environment variable
[14:58] <charlie-tca> running 64 bit tests here
[14:59] <Gridcube> :)
[15:04] <Gridcube> charlie-tca: mid if i ask you to test something?
[15:04] <Gridcube> i basically want to know if its a bug or noot
[15:04] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[15:05] <Gridcube> when i installed xubuntu on my netbook the alternate cd did not saw any of my network devices
[15:05] <Gridcube> so it directly stop me from installing xubuntu
[15:05] <charlie-tca> correct
[15:05] <Gridcube> i could not continue the installation without a network device
[15:05] <Gridcube> i don't know if thats a bug ir not
[15:06] <charlie-tca> it can't see them because networking is not active until the install finishes
[15:06] <Gridcube> when i used the desktop cd it did recognized both
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Desktop cd when installing from the desktop has networking active
[15:07] <charlie-tca> From the menu, it should be just like the alternate cd
[15:07] <Gridcube> mmm thats weird because on my desktop when using the alternate it does recognizes the wired network
[15:08] <charlie-tca> wired and wireless are different
[15:11] <Gridcube> well yes, but it did not recognized the wired on the netbook anyway, and thats not the problem, the problem was that after seeing that i supossedly had not network devices it stop the installation allthogheter
[15:11] <Sysi> I heard someone telling that and someone responding that it can be skipped
[15:12] <Gridcube> i just disabled the network cards on the test im doing now, and i did that and it continued
[15:12] <charlie-tca> That is normal
[15:14] <Gridcube> oh ok
[15:18] <charlie-tca> knome: are you doing the alpha1 release notes? They are normally added to the Technical Overview by the PL
[15:23] <skaet> knome,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview
[15:24] <skaet> if you could put a summary of what's changed so far on the Xubuntu side, and any bugs you want to warn folks about,  it would be appreciated.  :)
[15:25]  * skaet thanks charlie-tca for bringing it up.  :)
[15:25] <charlie-tca> skaet: you are welcome
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Took me all day yesterday to sync images. I am back today
[15:48] <astraljava> madnick: Yeah, I would assume as much, as it's the same reader with the same card all the time.
[16:04] <micahg> welcome back charlie-tca
[16:04] <charlie-tca> ty
[16:26] <ochosi> wb charlie-tca
[16:41] <charlie-tca> ty
[16:42] <ochosi> bbl
[16:58] <charlie-tca> hm, alpha 1 starts with sound muted everytime
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Gridcube: does the install start with sound muted there?
[17:56] <knome> charlie-tca, no, haven't
[17:56] <knome> charlie-tca, we do have good tracking of progress and work items though, so it shouldn't be too hard
[17:56] <Gridcube> haven't ended yet
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Okay
[17:57] <charlie-tca> knome: Okay, great!
[17:57] <charlie-tca> That was always a difficult thing after this first milestone, for me.
[17:58] <knome> i don't think much has changed for a1
[18:00] <knome> mostly debian importing
[18:00] <knome> and some minor changes that affect mostly settings
[18:00] <knome> charlie-tca, welcome back, btw
[18:01] <charlie-tca> thanks. Should be around again,
[18:14] <skaet> knome,  just add that then.   :)  Key is to set expectations.
[18:16] <knome> mmh.
[18:16]  * knome just woke up from coma-naps
[18:20] <astraljava> Did you know that you're sleeptyping?
[18:21] <knome> :P
[18:26] <micahg> knome: ristretto :)
[18:26] <knome> micahg, could *you* add that? :)
[18:27] <micahg> knome: no :), too many things going on right now
[18:27] <knome> heh, okay
[18:27] <knome> np
[18:30] <knome> updated the wikipage
[19:10] <Gridcube> charlie-tca: the sound is not muted but low
[19:15] <GridCube_> charlie-tca: did my last message went trhough? the sound is enabled but on like 20%
[19:46] <knome> pleia2, ?
[21:18] <skaet> knome, do you want your alternates respun to pick up the LTSP fix that stgraber just landed?
[21:19]  * micahg didn't think we had ltsp in xubuntu
[21:19] <charlie-tca> it is a menu option
[21:19] <micahg> ah
[21:39] <knome> skaet, why not, if you can do that and it does no harm.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> We won't have time to re-run all the tests
[21:40] <micahg> knome: they would need to be retested :)
[21:40] <knome> okay
[21:40] <knome> skaet, let's not do that.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> skaet: Can you carry the tests forward?
[21:41] <skaet> knome,  heh.   if its not a common path then probably safest to skip it this time around.  (a couple of other uploads happened during soft freeze,  so yes, retesting would be advisable)
[21:41] <micahg> can it be release noted?
[21:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: is the option to install locally ltsp or to install remotely on an LTSP server?
[21:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know. It is an option in the cd menus
[21:43] <skaet> charlie-tca - http://<IP_ADDRESS>/qatracker/milestones/205/history/
[21:43] <charlie-tca> micahg: i don't have the ability to test it
[21:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, ok, was just wondering if you knew offhand
[21:44] <charlie-tca> skaet: it is 4 hours for me just to re-sync the images
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I never got the images in time to run the early tests
[21:45] <skaet> charlie-tca,  sorry to be obscure,  the link just shows we now have history ability of what bugs were found against which images now.  :)
[21:45] <charlie-tca> That's a really good feature
[21:46] <skaet> charlie-tca, knome - I'm fine with not respinning,  its alpha 1 and this will be fixed in next daily.  Just wanted you to have the option.
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I can't retest these images, myself. 4 hours to sync, 8 hours to test
[21:47] <charlie-tca> and a finger with stitches in it from a new cut
[21:48]  * skaet sorry to hear about the finger... ouch!
[21:48] <charlie-tca> heh, still going, though
[21:48] <skaet> :)


[01:07] <siderati> hello everyone, looking for some help booting up snappy on OVM
[01:09] <siderati> anyone here who might be able to gimme a hand?
[08:43] <geoaxis> hello people, any one running snappy on rasberry pi here?
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bat Appreciation Day! :-D
[12:36] <plorenz> hi, i'm trying to build my own snappy image for the raspberry pi 2 and found a tutorial where the tool ubuntu-device-flash is used with the parameter "--oem". I can't find a version of that program which has this parameter implemented, does anybody know where to find such a version? (the tutorial is: http://people.canonical.com/~lool/pi2-device-and-oem/ )
[12:37] <lool> plorenz: yup; you want ppa:snappy-dev/tools
[12:38] <lool> plorenz: also, might only work with Ubuntu 14.04 and 14.10 (trusty and vivid)
[12:40] <plorenz> i've got trusty installed :) thanks, let me try that...
[12:44] <plorenz> thank you, it's working :)
[14:20] <dholbach_> mvo, sergiusens, jdstrand, cprov, asac and others: http://snappy.asac.ws:9001/p/SnappyDeveloperExperienceNotes
[14:23] <dholbach> please help out by adding notes :)
[14:28] <dholbach> beuno, Chipaca: too^ :-P
[14:29] <beuno> I feel less special
[14:33] <elopio> newbie question, fighting with the sd card that I can't always flash...
[14:33] <elopio> any idea why I get this?
[14:33] <elopio> $ sudo dd if=/tmp/snappy.img of=/dev/sdb bs=32M
[14:33] <elopio> dd: failed to open ‘/dev/sdb’: No medium found
[14:33] <beuno> sudo fdisk -l shows /dev/sdb?
[14:34] <elopio> beuno: it does not.
[14:35] <beuno> elopio, so it's likely not properly inserted, maybe?
[14:35] <beuno> or the sdcard ready isn't working?
[14:35] <elopio> beuno: I have just umounted it. I can read the contents without problems.
[14:36] <beuno> elopio, unmount or eject?
[14:36] <elopio> eject.
[14:36] <beuno> try the former
[14:36] <elopio> ack
[14:37] <dholbach> elopio, /dev/mmcblk0 or someting maybe?
[14:38] <elopio> beuno: dholbach: umounting the four partitions seems to have worked.
[14:38] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:38] <elopio> thanks
[15:24] <elopio> another q, what am I doing wrong here?
[15:24] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10839140/
[15:24] <elopio> I get "snappy package not found"
[16:24] <jdstrand> dholbach: updated http://snappy.asac.ws:9001/p/SnappyDeveloperExperienceNotes with some notes I took
[16:25] <dholbach> thanks a lot jdstrand
[16:25] <jdstrand> np
[16:25] <dholbach> I'll review them and write something up we can discuss at UOS ... or some other time
[19:49]  * Chipaca rages against functions not having unit tests


[02:11] <nictuku> neuralis, so, I'm not going to the dev summit
[02:27] <ajmitch> nictuku: missed out on sponsorship?
[02:28] <nictuku> if you mean I was not selected for a sponsorhip, then yes. :-)
[02:28] <ajmitch> a shame
[04:35] <neuralis> ajmitch: same here, it turns out :)
[04:36] <ajmitch> sounds like they're sponsoring very few
[04:36] <ajmitch> I've not heard of anyone who's been sponsored
[04:38] <neuralis> well, i'm a little uneasy about the server situation
[04:38] <ajmitch> how so?
[04:39] <ajmitch> no clear direction that things are going in?
[04:39] <neuralis> without fabio and myself, there's going to be one server team admin there
[04:39] <ajmitch> fabio won't be there?
[04:39] <neuralis> nope
[04:40] <ajmitch> we'll need to spec & discuss online then
[04:41] <ajmitch> what ideas do you have for edgy at the moment?
[04:41] <neuralis> in a meeting now, can't talk at the moment
[04:41] <ajmitch> ok
[07:01] <infinity> neuralis: Did you ask for sponsorship and get turned down, or not ask at all?
[07:10] <neuralis> infinity: i was turned down
[07:14] <jsgotangco> that sucks
[07:26] <infinity> neuralis: Feh.
[07:28] <infinity> neuralis: Did you get a reason, or just a "sorry, try again next time"?
[07:28] <neuralis> infinity: the latter.
[07:32] <ajmitch> hi infinity
[07:33] <infinity> Hey dude.
[06:15] <FunnyLookinHat> so on my fresh LAMP install... why is the server trying to make me download a .php rather than display it....
[06:15] <BlackHand> after restart apache ?
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> umm.. fresh install... with a few reboots
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> the LAMP installation installs apache, mysql, and php to my knowledge, right??
[09:57] <_r_a_b_> can someone help me set up my server with php
[09:57] <monkee13> what version?
[09:58] <monkee13> just sudo apt-get install php5  then install thr recomended that you want.
[09:58] <_r_a_b_> apache 2.2.2 php4 and ubuntu 510
[09:58] <_r_a_b_> i did
[09:58] <_r_a_b_> actually i got php4, but I'm having troubles with my server
[09:59] <monkee13> what's happening?
[09:59] <_r_a_b_> hackthps.no-ip.org:8008
[09:59] <_r_a_b_> It wont display php files correctly
[10:00] <monkee13> have you configed apache to use php?
[10:00] <_r_a_b_> no, i couldn't find the php lib to include
[10:01] <_r_a_b_> and the directoy listing looks different
[10:01] <monkee13> let me check mine,  I use apache2, php5, mysql
[10:03] <monkee13> what do yo umean it looks different?
[10:04] <_r_a_b_> doesnt look the the normal one
[10:04] <_r_a_b_> idk how to explian it,
[10:04] <infinity> _r_a_b_: You're using apache2?
[10:04] <_r_a_b_> yes
[10:05] <infinity> _r_a_b_: If so, you want "libapache2-mod-php4" (or libapache2-mod-php5 for php5) installed.  That will magically set stuff up to work with apache2.
[10:05] <monkee13> do you have the sites-enabled configed?
[10:05] <infinity> Then just /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:05] <infinity> monkee13: Nothing should need to be configured out of the box.  Just needs the right packages installed.
[10:06] <monkee13> true
[10:06] <_r_a_b_> k
[10:06] <_r_a_b_> now look at it
[10:06] <monkee13> I usaully have multiple sites running so I heavily modify my config
[10:06] <_r_a_b_> php works and everything
[10:07] <infinity> Yup, definitely seems to work.
[10:07] <infinity> Now you just need to configure yourself some vhosts for all those virtuals, and you're set.
[10:07] <infinity> monkee13: As do I.  But I suspect you could guess that anyway. ;)
[10:07] <_r_a_b_> yea, thats where the confusion comes in
[10:08] <infinity> (If not, compare /wii infinity with the changelog.Debian.gz for apache2, php4, php5, and mysql...)
[10:08] <_r_a_b_> I have my vhosts set up but they arent working
[10:08] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Okay, this is where you get to add more vhosts to /etc/apache2/sites-available, then "a2ensite mynewsite"
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> http://hackthps.no-ip.org:8008/rabrab.no-ip.org/www/zomghttpd.txt
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> theres my configuration, but the vhosts just wontwork
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> wontwork*
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> wont   work****
[10:09] <infinity> Ick.
[10:10] <infinity> You removed our configs?
[10:10] <infinity> Completely?
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> no
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> i never got the ubuntu version
[10:10] <infinity> Well, this is a default config from apache.org
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> i compiled apache 2 from source
[10:10] <infinity> Oh!
[10:10] <infinity> If you're compiling from source, this is where my effort to help you ends. :)
[10:10] <infinity> I package this stuff for a reason.
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> lol
[10:10] <infinity> Mostly so I don't have to answer support requests from people who compile from source. ;)
[10:11] <_r_a_b_> k well, one last question
[10:11] <monkee13> use the packages it works great that way
[10:11] <_r_a_b_> i have php4 from the repos and mysql from the repos. How can I get rid of apaceh 2 that I compiled and get the one from the repos?
[10:12] <infinity> If you installed it to /usr/local (which is looks like from the config), you should be able to just "rm -rf /usr/local/apache2"
[10:12] <monkee13> rm the directories and config files then apt-get install apache2
[10:12] <mart> hmm - that's the other good reason to use packages :)
[10:12] <infinity> Maybe pick up some other random crap that got sprinkles around.
[10:12] <infinity> And "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork" to make sure you're getting the MPM that will work with PHP.
[10:13] <infinity> (Yes, the packaging system enforces this anyway, but can be a bit unfriendly to people who don't understand what it's saying)
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> what about /etc/init.d/apache2
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> I did what you said, but my server is still up
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> wait
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> nvm
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> :)
[10:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Why won't my LAMP ubuntu server install render php pages out of the box??
[10:14] <FunnyLookinHat> It tries to make me download phtml files when I go to index.php
[10:14] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: Because the LAMP setup on the install CD is broken and didn't install PHP.  Known bug.
[10:15] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: "apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql"
[10:15] <_r_a_b_> infinity, should i delete ect/init.d/apache2 ?
[10:15] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, oooh, hahaha..
[10:15] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: I'll fix it before release, honest. :)
[10:15] <FunnyLookinHat> thanks!
[10:15] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Have you installed the Ubuntu packages yet?
[10:15] <ivoks> infinity: like that smbspool bug? :)
[10:15] <_r_a_b_> no
[10:15] <infinity> _r_a_b_: If not, then yes, delete the init script first.
[10:16] <infinity> (You'll get a new one with the package)
[10:16] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, do I have to dpkg-reconfigure apache2 after i install those?
[10:16] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: No, just restart it.
[10:16] <FunnyLookinHat> kk
[10:16] <infinity> ivoks: Yeah, yeah.
[10:16] <infinity> ivoks: TODO list this -->    <-- big, time allotment this --><-- big.
[10:16] <infinity> ivoks: Getting there, though.
[10:17] <ivoks> infinity: i know :/
[10:17] <infinity> Oh well.  Edgy release cycle should be much better.
[10:18] <infinity> I'm dropping pretty much anything and everything I do that's even vaguely desktop-related (bubye Thunderbird!) and concentrating entirely on ubuntu-server and archive maintenance (buildd stuff, etc)
[10:18] <infinity> So, y'know.  I might actually be able to work 8 hour days instead of 16 hour days.
[10:18] <monkee13> infinity: I just realized who you are, I will definitly come back here with my questions.   I just moved over to ubuntu from fedora aout two weeks ago and I LOVE it.
[10:19] <_r_a_b_> whats up with this package
[10:19] <ivoks> infinity: i thing you have new admirer :)
[10:19] <ivoks> k
[10:19] <ivoks> grr...
[10:19] <monkee13> I have also converted over about four coworkers that prefer ubuntu over fedora
[10:20] <infinity> ivoks: I could use one, I mostly just get abuse from you guys. *grin*
[10:21] <ivoks> infinity: sorry for that :(
[10:22] <infinity> Ah well... At least neuralis loves me.
[10:22] <ivoks> lol
[10:22] <ivoks> well, i would love to help you
[10:23] <infinity> He will be coming to the summit afterall, BTW, so if you have server-related spec ideas, please bounce them off him so he and I can discuss them in Paris.
[10:23] <_r_a_b_> infinity, isn't there supposed to be a SeverName in the conf?
[10:24] <infinity> _r_a_b_: The conf is split.  And no, the default conf doesn't need a ServerName, only the vhosts do.
[10:24] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Set up vhosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[10:24] <ivoks> infinity: that means I'm not invited? :)
[10:24] <infinity> ivoks: It's a small summit.  neuralis and I will be the only server guys there, from the looks of things.
[10:25] <infinity> Which is fine, cause we're aiming for a very small number of achievable specs this time around, nothing pie-in-the-sky.
[10:25] <ivoks> ok
[10:25] <infinity> I would like to see something come of the s390 port, but I haven't heard from that crowd in a while.
[10:26] <infinity> They kinda went dead after much talk a few months ago.
[10:26] <_r_a_b_> infinity, so i just make copies of default and put them in the sites-avalible folder?
[10:26] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Well, default's probably a lot more wordy than what you want.
[10:26] <_r_a_b_> yea
[10:26] <infinity> _r_a_b_: The smaller chunks that you had in your old config would be fine.
[10:26] <_r_a_b_> do i just add onto default?
[10:27] <infinity> Doing one site per file works well, IMO, hence the way it's split.
[10:27] <_r_a_b_> name them anything?
[10:27] <infinity> default will just end up being a catch-all for anything that doesn't match the ServerName/ServerAlias in your other sites.
[10:27] <infinity> Name them whatever.  I usually name them the same as ServerName.
[10:28] <infinity> So I can then "a2ensite www.foo.com" to enable a site.
[10:28] <_r_a_b_> a3ensite?
[10:28] <_r_a_b_> a2ensite**?
[10:28] <ivoks> Apache2ENableSITE
[10:28] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, dude apparently the LAMP install didn't install mysql either!
[10:29] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: No?  Awesome.  "apt-get install mysql-server" :)
[10:29] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: I need to mangle that thing and make sure it's right for Flight-8.  Sorry about the breakage.
[10:29] <infinity> (Yay, beta releases)
[10:29] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: a2ensite links site from sites-available to sites-enabled
[10:30] <_r_a_b_> Ohhh
[10:30] <_r_a_b_> k, im movingmy sites into site-avalible
[10:30] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: ubuntu/debian way of handling sites is much nicer than upstream or redhat
[10:30] <ivoks> (/me works with redhat and can't wait dapper to get out)
[10:31] <infinity> ivoks: We get a lot of people whining about it, but they seem to be people with very few sites who love a giant httpd.conf.  Anyone who runs massive sites already used a similar setup anyway, so finds it intuitive.
[10:31] <_r_a_b_> This site does not exist!
[10:31] <infinity> (This config setup was basically based on the way thom and I both did our apache1.3 setups on our own machines)
[10:31] <ivoks> infinity: ignore them... this way is muuuch nicer
[10:31] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: typo?
[10:31] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, yea i just ran mysql-server mysql-client
[10:31] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Spelling counts. :)
[10:31] <FunnyLookinHat> : P
[10:32] <_r_a_b_> wtf
[10:33] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: what's the problem?
[10:33] <_r_a_b_> uhm
[10:33] <_r_a_b_> apache2 not found
[10:33] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: talk to me, infinity has much more things to do now
[10:33] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Try being a bit more verbose. :)
[10:33] <infinity> _r_a_b_: What complains about that?
[10:33] <_r_a_b_> infinity told me to delete apache2 in ect/init.d/ in my old install
[10:34] <ivoks> ok, i would say "put more words in it..." :)
[10:34] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: right
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> then i installed the package from the repos
[10:34] <ivoks> ok
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> and it never came back
[10:34] <ivoks> sure it did
[10:34] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Oh, you already had apache2-common installed, didn't you?  (that's where the init script comes from)
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> maybe
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> i dont think i did
[10:34] <ivoks> apt-get --reinstall install apache2-common
[10:35] <infinity> _r_a_b_: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common*deb
[10:35] <ivoks> ....or that :)
[10:35] <infinity> ivoks: reinstall won't replace deleted conffiles.
[10:35] <infinity> ivoks: Since deleting a conffile is a valid change, so we won't "undo" it.
[10:35] <ivoks> ah, ok
[10:35] <ivoks> my bad
[10:35] <_r_a_b_> :)
[10:36] <_r_a_b_> omg
[10:36] <_r_a_b_> <3
[10:36] <_r_a_b_> i love you
[10:37] <ivoks> someone correctly noted that with so many hugs and "i love you" we are getting more gay every day :)
[10:37] <infinity> (Not that there's anything wrong with that)
[10:38] <ivoks> of course
[10:38] <infinity> Okay, it should be a crime against humanity for a build to fail after 91 hours...
[10:39] <ivoks> lol
[10:39] <ivoks> that remindes me on my gentoo days :)
[10:39] <ivoks> short and bitter period
[10:42] <infinity> Also, people using [ -f /proc/kcore ]  to determine if you have /proc mounted should be shot.
[10:42] <infinity> That is all.
[10:43] <infinity> maswan: Many thanks.
[10:43] <maswan> ivoks: a sufficiently large rock dropped from orbit doesn't need fancy nuke inside. :)
[10:44] <ivoks> maswan: it does, to make sure radiation eliminates all offspring :)
[10:45] <maswan> ivoks: see "sufficiently". ;)
[10:45] <ivoks> hehe
[10:51] <ivoks> well, that's all from me for today (couple of bad jokes and another 500 translation messages)
[10:51] <ivoks> bye


[15:13] <thorwil> sometimes i'm still surprised by certain comments: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/ours-is-better-than-theirs/#comment-3933
[15:40] <vish> beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.. similarly perception! ;)
[15:41] <vish> thorwil: btw, do you hand draw those figures or do it on inkscape with mouse?
[15:41] <vish> hand-draw with tablet*
[15:41] <thorwil> if anyone ends up putting it into that context, i wonder what the supposed message would be?
[15:42] <thorwil> vish: tablet drawn in mypaint
[15:43] <thorwil> but i can't really advice that, as you still get more control on paper. and scaling the image down can become an issue, with jagged lines
[15:45] <vish> cool! i've wondered how you worked on those, earlier too when you did some images( for brainstorm?)
[15:46] <thorwil> vish: rough sketches for brainstorm? scanned pen or pencil
[15:46] <vish> hmm, not brainstorm i think you had something about guys pulling in different directions
[15:47] <vish> something about collaboration..
[15:48] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/design-in-collaborative-projects/
[15:48] <vish> ha! nearly 1yr later.. :)
[15:48] <vish> yea, that one :)
[15:48] <thorwil> pencil, but i'm actually not sure whether i penned them on paper, too, or traced them in gimp
[15:49] <thorwil> a case where i used inkscape is http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/bar_chart_ninjas_s.png
[15:50] <vish> yea, these guys seem less hand-drawn/free lines
[15:51] <vish> hmm, we seem to be having some issue or the other every so often..
[15:51] <thorwil> hmm?
[15:52] <vish> thorwil: what issue was that design-in-collaborative-projects/ relating to? or what was the happening thing back then?
[15:53] <vish> rather the "happening" thing
[15:53] <thorwil> not a specific event, just a consequence of my observations
[15:53] <vish> ah :)
[16:16] <thorwil> http://www.opensource-usability-labs.com/tine20/2011/03/18/designer-vs-developer/
[16:23] <coz_>  hey all


[00:06] <Volkodav> so what's up with nvidia and 2.27.2 kernel ?
[00:28] <Awsoonn> question: i upgraded with upgrade manager and got all kinds of issues, I've reported the biggest ones and such, is there any value to reporting bugs on my system from here on out?
[00:30] <Awsoonn> I'm worried that future bugs I encounter will simple be the result of my fixing other bugs or something of the like, and think that now that the biggest bugs have been reported already
[00:30] <Awsoonn> What does #+1 think, should I reinstall now, or keep reporting my barage of issues on this machine?
[00:31] <Awsoonn> this system was installed wiht 6.10 and upgraded version to version fyi
[00:32] <Jordan_U> Awsoonn: Directly from 6.10 to 7.10 ?
[00:32] <Awsoonn> no no, version to version
[00:32] <Jordan_U> Awsoonn: Nvm, now I see after re-reading
[00:32] <UnNaturalHigh> I was curious if anyone here could explain to me the usefulness of powernowd when laptop-mode is capable of adjusting the governor?
[01:14] <JediMaster> hm weird, had to ghost someone for using my nick heh
[01:14] <JediMaster> anyhow, I've just updated a whole bunch of packages (179 after not doing it for 2 days on intrepid) and I no longer seem to be running the nvidia binary drivers
[01:15] <JediMaster> in fact X was unusable and I had to dpkg-reconfigure it
[01:15] <JediMaster> now the "Hardware Drivers" app no longer shows the nivida driver as being in use or even available
[01:16] <JediMaster> any ideas how I get it installed again?
[01:19] <void^> nvidia-glx-177 is installed, on 2.6.27-2, and the module is missing?
[01:20] <crdlb> JediMaster: make sure linux-generic is installed
[01:20] <JediMaster> nvidia-glx-new seems to have vanished, but I've got nvidia-glx-177 installed now
[01:21] <JediMaster> and have rebooted since then, but it still doesn't show up in the hardware drivers
[01:22] <crdlb> yeah, there are _four_ different nvidia drivers now, so -glx-legacy, -glx, and -glx-new isn't really viable
[01:22]  * crdlb imagines nvidia-glx-newer
[01:22] <void^> -not-so-new, -kinda-new :)
[01:23] <void^> well, for some reason it didn't recompile the module for me after updating the kernel. so i had to do that with dkms manually. might be the same for you.
[01:25] <JediMaster> what's the kernel module called?
[01:26] <void^> nvidia
[01:26] <JediMaster> hmmm modprobe nvidia doesn't work
[01:27] <void^> what about modinfo nvidia?
[01:27] <JediMaster> can't find the module either
[01:27] <void^> don't have it then
[01:27] <JediMaster> nvidia-glx-177 is installed though
[01:28] <void^> yeah, so see if you can get the module with dkms.
[01:29] <JediMaster> hmm  never used dkms before, but dkms status show nvidia 177.70 installed but for 2.6.26-5
[01:30] <JediMaster> and I have 2.6.27-2-generic installed
[01:30] <void^> something along the lines of dkms build -m nvidia -v 177.70 && dkms install -m nvidia -v 177.70
[01:31] <JediMaster> how about envy, worth trying?
[01:32] <void^> no idea
[01:33] <JediMaster> ok that's now installed thanks, but the hardware driver app still doesn't pick it up
[01:33] <JediMaster> what's the easiest way with xorg now to change the driver now it has all this auto-detection in?
[01:34] <crdlb> you still have to explicitly specify the nvidia driver in the xorg.conf
[01:34] <void^> run depmod, and restart X
[01:36] <JediMaster> what's the module, "glx"?
[01:36] <JediMaster> duh, that's the module not the driver
[01:36] <JediMaster> nm =)
[01:39] <JediMaster> arghh 640x480 on a 37" TFT TV lol
[01:40] <Volkodav> 32 " here same shit
[01:40] <Volkodav> will try dkms thing maybe it will help
[01:41] <JediMaster> hmm monitor line is a plug and play 640x480 screen =/
[01:42] <void^> probably restart gdm, it might be restarting X using the failsafe config
[01:47] <JediMaster> what's the app to select the screen?
[01:47] <JediMaster> can't be bothered to write the config by hand
[01:50] <JediMaster> ahh displayconfig-gtk, that's the one
[01:54] <JediMaster> why when you select LCD Paenl 1360x768 it only gives you the option of up to 1280x768, that's stupid
[01:54] <e\ectro_> I keep receiving an X error that "Maximum number of clients reached" and it wont open anymore x11 apps.  xlib issue?
[01:59] <JediMaster> bah, had to do it by hand and add the modeline for 1360x768, all good now
[02:02] <Volkodav> hmm dlms build helped actually
[02:02] <Volkodav> but fonts are all tiny though
[02:04] <Volkodav> how do I get out of metacity theme manager ?
[02:05] <Turl> run another window manager
[02:05] <Turl> eg emerald --replace
[02:07] <Volkodav> I am in xfce
[02:07] <Volkodav> try gnome maybe ?
[02:25] <dbglt> hi folks, I've just updated to the newest kernel in intrepid. IT seems to add Xen support (which breaks my nvidia-proprietary driver) by default
[02:25] <dbglt> is there any way I can disable Xen w/o having to download and recompile my own kernel?
[02:25] <void^> the packaged nvidia driver seems to have some workarounds.
[02:26] <dbglt> void^: on dialup at the moment, to get that installed it is an extra 70mb :\
[02:26] <dbglt> I already have binary from nvidia.com
[02:28] <void^> not sure how to make that one work, disabling the checks isn't enough.. probably need to apply a patch
[02:28] <dbglt> mmm frustrating. Any way (using the open source nv driver) to get it to output to an external screen, then?
[02:28] <dbglt> don't really need 3d support right away
[02:28] <Volkodav> is there 9.52 64 bit opera out yet ?
[02:32] <bsnider> yes
[02:34] <bsnider> opera doesn't work so well on linux though
[02:37] <Volkodav> well I just installed it - give it a spin see how it behaves
[02:37] <Lhademmor> Okay... I have no idea what happened on my intrepid.. It updated to the 2.6.27-2 kernel, and when I rebooted, it would only run in low graphics mode...
[02:37] <Lhademmor> It won't recognize my graphics card anymore
[02:38] <bsnider> maybe because your xorg has a driver in it that doesn't exist anymore
[02:38] <bsnider> what driver were you using before?
[03:28] <dbglt> Hi I am  running intrepid (I now found out heh) and my sound has stopped working. Not even alsamixer will work. Anyone know how to fix this?
[03:30] <`Matir> what happens with alsamixer?
[03:32] <Volkodav> how come the xkb layouts do not work anymore ?
[04:08] <Nimmers> Hi All... I just upgraded my eeePC from 8.04 to 8.10 but now it freezes when it reaches the username and password screen.  Does anyone know how to resolve this?
[04:17] <`Matir> Nimmers, can you type anything in, or does it immediately freeze?
[04:19] <Nimmers> it immediately freezes, but I can hit ctrl alt F1 to go into the command prompt
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> i cannot use intrepid's build-essential or libtool/automake to build things from source
[04:20] <Nimmers> the text input cursor is flashing but you can't use the keyboard or mouse
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> i reckon i'm doing something terribly wrong
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF knows it too
[04:23] <emet> !info google-gadgets
[04:25] <ToHellWithGA> !info kcontrol
[04:25] <ToHellWithGA> that's been another concern of mine
[04:25] <ToHellWithGA> is there a way to tweak kde settings in intrepid?
[04:26] <ToHellWithGA> i generally install k3b and kcontrol so i can (1) burn CDs and (2) turn off all of the kde-based bells and whistles
[04:32] <Nimmers> hi, i want to know how to get into a fail-safe X session
[04:33] <Nimmers> its all input is freezing on logon so i'm assuming it might have something to do with gdm or X
[04:33] <Nimmers> but i can pull up the terminal with ctrl+alt+F1
[04:33] <ToHellWithGA> have you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"?
[04:34] <ToHellWithGA> that will reset all of the xorg configuration in case it's tweaked badly
[04:34] <Nimmers> alright thanks, gonna give it a try now
[04:37] <Nimmers> alrighty, i tried that command, it reset the x settings but i'm still having the same problem
[04:44] <Nimmers> thanks for your help.  i'm gonna assume it can't be done and am gonna revert back to 8.04.  Cheers anyway lads!
[04:44] <dmoerner> Nimmers, what is your hardware?
[04:46] <ooget> can't boot into my laptop after last kernel update.  i know, this happens with alpha software.  i'm just not sure what to do at this point, if i reinstall, i'd like to be able to shutdown the systerm
[05:18] <Matir`> Anyone had trouble with apparent lockups when leaving their computer idle for a while?
[06:09] <mohkohn> does the eeepc work in intrepid?
[06:26] <Jordan_U> I think I might be getting only 16 bit color, is there an easy way to test if I am or not?
[06:33] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i depth
[06:34] <Jordan_U> That says full 24
[06:35] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Do you see significant banding in the default desktop background?
[06:35] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, I see no problems but i use the elephant skin background on my intrepid installs
[06:35] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Can you look at the heron image?
[06:36] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, i am not in front of that machine right now, only have ssh access
[06:37] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Do you faintly visible bands on the gradient of http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ ?
[06:37] <dmoerner> no
[06:38] <Jordan_U> I do, and I see bad banding in the compiz gradient for desktop wall and other areas
[06:42] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Let me link to screenshot of some really obvious banding ( I am not sure if the problem will show up in a screenshot though )
[06:45] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: http://trogdoor.googlepages.com/bad_banding
[06:48] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, I don't see anything in that photo. sorry
[06:49] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: That's what I suspected, it's just a problem when displayed to the screen, you would have no problem seeing it otherwise
[07:20] <BonezAU> Does anyone know what is wrong with cdimage.ubuntu.com? I was half way through downloading intrepid and it stopped, now the site appears to be down?
[08:24] <BonezAU> Are there any mirrors for the daily build of intrepid or do I have to d/l it from cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[08:24] <bazhang> BonezAU, that site has been down for some hours now
[08:24] <BonezAU> bazhang yes I know, it has just come back online
[08:25] <BonezAU> but it is very slow (i'm in Australia)
[08:25] <bazhang> hmm still wont load here
[08:25] <BonezAU> I was using downthemall (firefox plugin) to download the daily build, I got to 98% completion and they replaced it with a new build so I had to start all over again!!
[08:25] <bazhang> wow thats bad
[08:26] <BonezAU> yeah, i'm only on a 1mbit connection as well :P
[08:26] <BonezAU> to it was a good waste of 600mb and 2 hours
[08:26] <bazhang> ouch
[08:26] <bazhang> capped?
[08:26] <BonezAU> almost all broadband connections in australia have a monthly quota
[08:26] <BonezAU> my limit is 20gb per month @ 1mbps and I pay about $50 a month for it
[08:27] <bazhang> seem to remember there was an au mirror for which that cap did not apply
[08:27] <BonezAU> after you reach your quota they shape your connection to 64/64
[08:27] <BonezAU> yep there are about 5 or so mirrors in my city which do not count towards my quota
[08:27] <BonezAU> but they don't have any intrepid stuff, only stable releases
[08:27] <bazhang> oh no
[08:28] <BonezAU> i've got about 4gb of my quota left and it resets tomorrow so it's not such a big deal, it just takes a long time
[08:28] <bazhang> best to use it up fast then :)
[08:28] <BonezAU> yep may as well make the most of it :)
[09:16] <Sbucatino> updating to intrepid ?
[09:16] <Sbucatino> i have seen how to gutsy to hardy but well no work
[09:16] <Sbucatino> ideas link?
[09:17] <ikonia> Sbucatino: what's the problem ?
[09:19] <Sbucatino> ikonia: my proble is this i have downloaded the cd , i have adde cd to my repo , after i have followed the how to for updating but i am still on kubuntu 8.04
[09:19] <Sbucatino> *problem *added
[09:20] <Sbucatino> how to = the same of gutsy to hardy?
[09:23] <ikonia> sukke: your on an LTS release so you need to update to an none LTS release
[09:23] <ikonia> did you set update-manager to pick the next release rather than lts releases only
[09:25] <Sbucatino> i think you have ubuntu then ikonia
[09:25] <ikonia> yes I have ubuntu
[09:25] <Sbucatino> i have not update-manager
[09:25] <Sbucatino> kubuntu != ubuntu
[09:25] <ikonia> ahhh
[09:25] <ikonia> sorry, I missed you said kubuntu
[09:26] <Sbucatino> well in virtual box...then
[09:26] <Sbucatino> i can't install kubuntu 8.10 cuz that silly bug with virtual box anyway i know with a different kernel i can use it
[09:27] <ikonia> I'm not great with the kde package managers, so I'm not %100 the best guy to ask, but I'd assume the same is true in that LTS and non-LTS releases will be tagged different
[09:27] <Sbucatino> so i have to upgrade kubuntu 8.04------> 8.10
[09:27] <Sbucatino> :S i have the cd rom and still i can't install it
[09:27] <Sbucatino> ikonia: well xD update-manager doesn't exist
[09:28] <Sbucatino> just tried with alt f2
[09:28] <ikonia> Sbucatino: no, it wont on kde
[09:28] <Sbucatino> have you the link for upgrading ?
[09:29] <Sbucatino> cuz i can 't findo out anymore :S
[09:29] <ikonia> Sbucatino: what link ?
[09:29] <Sbucatino> guty->hardy
[09:29] <Sbucatino> or hardy --> intrepid
[09:29] <Sbucatino> if exist
[09:30] <ikonia> !upgrade
[09:37] <Sbucatino> mm should i modify maybe source.list?
[09:40] <stdin> Sbucatino: try "kdesu adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[09:41] <stdin> actually "kdesu -- adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[09:44] <Sbucatino> stdin:  hahah fantastic kdesu adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[09:44] <Sbucatino> it doesn't work
[09:44] <Sbucatino> instead with sudo works
[09:44] <Sbucatino> :S
[09:46] <Sbucatino> ok 1 hour of my life wasted for this damned kommander qt4
[09:48] <stdin> Sbucatino: don't use it with sudo, use the 2nd command I gave
[09:48] <Sbucatino> i know i know the isse
[09:48] <Sbucatino> ah
[09:50] <Sbucatino> stdin: no it's doesnt work
[09:50] <stdin> what doesn't?
[09:51] <Sbucatino> the first , the second you have written
[09:51] <stdin> "kdesu -- adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" brings up Adept with a "Version Upgrade" button
[09:51] <Sbucatino> i know with sudo i have seen
[09:51] <stdin> just copy/paste the line
[09:52] <Sbucatino> but with kdesudo it's doesn't worki
[09:52] <stdin> it does, I just did it ;)
[09:53] <Sbucatino> o -.-'' i was on virtual box and i have written wrong wt*
[09:55] <Sbucatino> stdin: mm ok made but when i click finish ?? i should do something?
[09:56] <Sbucatino> omg was so easy in other versions
[09:56] <stdin> it should, I haven't gotten around to upgrading with it yet
[09:57] <Sbucatino> all this silly things becasue i have to develop a application in qt4
[09:57] <Sbucatino> -.-''
[09:57] <Sbucatino> i love kde3 sigh
[09:58] <stdin> you don't need kde4 to use Qt4 apps
[09:58] <Sbucatino> really i have to install kommande-kde4
[09:59] <stdin> and you need intrepid for that, why?
[10:00] <Sbucatino> so just because i have tried to install kommander-kde4 on 8.04 = fucked distro
[10:00] <Sbucatino> xD
[10:01] <stdin> why did it fail?
[10:01] <Sbucatino> i think it need of libc6 hehe
[10:01] <Sbucatino> needs
[10:01] <stdin> libc6 is always installed, everything needs it
[10:01] <stdin> it's the standard C library
[10:01] <Sbucatino> yes but... the new
[10:01] <Sbucatino> i think
[10:01] <stdin> well, I just installed kommander-kde4 here on 8.04
[10:02] <Sbucatino> o shit
[10:02] <stdin> can you try to not swear here :)
[10:02] <Sbucatino> mm maybe i have made some mistake here on virtual box
[10:04] <Sbucatino> well on my repository there is not kommander-kde4
[10:04] <Sbucatino> on 8.04
[10:04] <stdin> do you have the kde4 PPA?
[10:04] <Sbucatino> no i have kde3 of course
[10:05] <stdin> you'll want the PPA to get a decent KDE4 version
[10:05] <Sbucatino> anyway on virtual box i have kde4
[10:05] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[10:05] <Sbucatino> yeah on virtual box i have that
[10:05] <Sbucatino> mm
[10:05] <Sbucatino> or not just checkin now
[10:08] <Sbucatino> :( well i am hating kde4
[10:08] <Sbucatino> why now if i write kdesudo konqueror it doesn't work
[10:11] <stdin> because sudo (and so kdesudo) in hardy will only search /sbin, /bin, /usr/sbin and /usr/bin for applications
[10:12] <Sbucatino> ok anyway i have got it
[10:15] <Sbucatino> stdin: you saved my life
[10:15] <Sbucatino> xD
[10:16] <Sbucatino> stdin: should i ask you if you know qdbus application ?
[10:16] <Sbucatino> i was using kdcop on kde3
[10:16] <stdin> yeah, I've used qdbus quite a bit
[10:17] <stdin> qdbus is like dcop, and qdbusviewer is like kdcop
[10:17] <Sbucatino> o yea that was the name
[10:56] <TheInfinity> hmm
[10:56] <TheInfinity> why is aptitude missing in intrepid? :o
[11:15] <dbglt> since updating, my sound is screwed
[11:15] <dbglt> any idea on how to fix? :\
[11:15] <dbglt> can't even open alsamixer
[11:19] <BonezAU___> grr what is wrong with cdimage.ubuntu.com :(
[11:20] <jpds> BonezAU___: Looks okay to me.
[11:22] <BonezAU___> The connection was refused when attempting to contact cdimage.ubuntu.com.
[11:22] <BonezAU___> it's been up and down like a yoyo for about the past 4 hours
[11:22] <BonezAU___> it comes and goes
[11:23] <dbglt> any else having any problems with sound? :\
[11:23] <jpds> BonezAU___: It is a server on limited resources.
[11:23] <BonezAU___> i am trying to download a daily build of intrepid and I have paused and resumed it about 12 times in the past 2 hours and it's only up to 59% :(
[11:24] <jpds> BonezAU___: I downloaded that fine yesterday.
[11:24] <BonezAU___> yeah, I was downloading the daily build ISO this afternoon and it got to 98% and then they removed it and replaced it with today's daily build
[11:24] <BonezAU___> LOL
[11:25] <BonezAU___> waste of time that was... so I started to download it again
[11:25] <BonezAU___> but the server keeps going down
[11:25] <BonezAU___> i'm only on a 1mbps connection too so it takes about 1.5 hours to download
[11:49] <Sbucatino> ok anyway
[12:32] <dawynn> Having trouble with the nvidia proprietary driver.  Currently using nv (I believe), but I don't see my driver noted in xorg.conf.  What is the proper "Ubuntu" way to switch drivers (say to nouveau)?
[12:33] <dawynn> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" no longer asks anything about the video driver.  So, what is the proper tool to change the video driver?
[12:34] <TheInfinity> dawynn: nv is used by default
[12:34] <TheInfinity> if its not noted its nv
[12:34] <TheInfinity> and you should use restriced driver manager to change this
[12:35] <dawynn> Except the nvidia drivers are not working.  At least not for me.
[12:36] <TheInfinity> afaik there are some bugs with nvidia atm
[12:36] <TheInfinity> -> jsut wait for the fix. its alpha software :)
[12:36] <TheInfinity> bug is already reported
[12:37] <dawynn> Not trying to change to restricted nvidia driver.  Trying to change to nouveau.  But somewhere around Gutsy / Hardy, they split out what used to be in the xserver-org reconfigure script.
[12:37] <dawynn> I'd just like to know where everything went, and what we're supposed to use now.
[12:37] <dawynn> Now the xerver-xorg reconfigure script deals with keyboards and mice specifically.  No monitors, no video drivers.
[12:37] <TheInfinity> its new xorg
[12:38] <TheInfinity> since xorg 7.3 it autodetects most things
[12:39] <TheInfinity> it still reads xorg.conf, but you have to write xorg.conf options for your own, per default most things work with autodetect and without xorg.conf
[12:39] <dawynn> OK... But what if we would like to change something that isn't getting set up in the xorg.conf file anymore?  Where did it go?  What now tells my system to even use nv (or vesa, or whatever its using) since this is not in xorg.conf?
[12:39] <TheInfinity> xorg.conf is just there for forcing xorg to do something
[12:40] <TheInfinity> xorg works xompletely without it
[12:40] <TheInfinity> *completely
[12:40] <dawynn> OK.  When I try the nvidia driver in xorg.conf, there's a window that pops up when X starts saying that it can't handle the driver, and is going to low-res mode.  At that point, it let me go to *something* that would allow me to pick monitors and hardware drivers.  What is that something?
[12:42] <TheInfinity> option 1) your xorg.conf is wrong, option 2) if you use intrepid: nvidia drivers are broken
[12:43] <SwedeMike> dawynn: one kludge to get to that low-res mode is to remove xorg.conf and then start gdm and as soon as the x-server starts, just kill it with cltr-alt-backspace three times
[12:43] <SwedeMike> actually, intrepid nvidia 177 drivers work just fine for me, I re-installed yesterday. Single screen, 1920x1200, 7600GT
[12:44] <TheInfinity> SwedeMike: ah fixed already? huh.
[12:44] <SwedeMike> I don't know, this is the first time I run intrepid
[12:44] <TheInfinity> it was broken yesterday
[12:45] <TheInfinity> seems to be a fast bugfix ;)
[12:45] <SwedeMike> oki, I installed intrepid and fixed the graphics yesterday afternoon european time
[12:46]  * TheInfinity just has vm installations, so ... no chance to test it for myself
[12:47] <SwedeMike> otoh I can't boot 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 with either 8500GT or 6200LE, but the 7600GT works fine. The kernel will go into immediate spurious interrupt vector 9c (I sent an email to lkml regarding this a few hours ago)
[12:49] <SwedeMike> I also have ipv6 trouble with 2.6.27, just filed a bug regarding that as well
[14:43] <ToHellWithGA> SwedeMike: you have a lot of video cards
[14:44] <ToHellWithGA> in case you didn't know that already :-P
[14:44] <ToHellWithGA> is there someone here who could help me with trouble building and installing software using intrepid's build-essential, automake, libtool packages?
[14:45] <ToHellWithGA> i reinstalled alpha 4 and brought it up to current in case that was causing my problems
[14:45] <SwedeMike> ToHellWithGA: yeah, I actually purchased that 8500GT friday to test with, but it's going back monday because most of the times the computer wont even POST with it, (it gets stuck in the initial gfx card bios display)
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> oh boo that
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> no onboard video?
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> back in the day when i used video cards rather than just onboard video i still used boards with onboard video
[14:46] <SwedeMike> yes, but that doesn't work in any version either (via)
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> helped me troubleshoot the second card
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> s/second/pci/
[14:47] <ToHellWithGA> that's a bummer, man
[14:47] <ToHellWithGA> i've turned 100% intel
[14:47] <ToHellWithGA> i feel like i'm helping the 800 pound gorilla hold all the little chip manufacturers down, but boy howdy is it easy when all of my video/network hardware has linux support from the get-go
[14:48] <SwedeMike> yeah, so I have the interesting dilemma where the 7600GT won't display properly, the 6200LE won't boot with 2.6.26 or later, and neither will the 8500GT; and the onboard via gfx will lock up around 5-10 seconds into the installation X session. So.. I had to endure the 7600GT mangled display and make it thru the installation anyway
[14:48] <SwedeMike> installation for alpha4
[14:48] <ToHellWithGA> can you update the firmware on the cards?
[14:49] <SwedeMike> hm, yes, I guess I could try that, didn't consider it. I'll try the 8500GT in my other computer as well before returning it
[14:49] <ToHellWithGA> i remember way back in the day updating my Diamond Viper V330 card and my Powercolor Kyro II helped a ton with glitchy behaviors
[14:49] <ToHellWithGA> those are the two most recent non-intel/non-integrated video chips i've used
[14:49] <ToHellWithGA> i plugged the V330 in for giggles and poops the other day
[14:50] <ToHellWithGA> took 35 seconds to do a compiz "burn" minimize effect
[15:31] <ForgeAus> uh is there going to be a kde3 intrepid?
[15:31] <ForgeAus> (ah kubuntu I mean)
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> ForgeAus: nope
[15:47] <ForgeAus> ouch :(
[15:47] <ForgeAus> kde4 < kde3 sofar...
[15:47] <ForgeAus> I mean not that kde4 isn't good, its just not there yet, and I'd still rather keep my default desktop at kde3...
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> do you still need help getting KDE 3.5.10 in Hardy?
[15:48] <ForgeAus> I havn't tried, afaik its in backports for hardy
[15:48] <ForgeAus> but thats not the issue
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it is
[15:49] <ForgeAus> its the upgrade to intrepid destroying my beloved kde3 :(
[15:49] <ForgeAus> can't you have a .kde3 (so .kde is free for kde4?)
[15:49] <ForgeAus> since .kde is going to be replaced...
[15:50] <ForgeAus> its not that I"m worried about change, its just that I'm not ready for it, although until I am I'm happy to run both...
[15:50] <ForgeAus> (or at the very LEAST have a choice)
[15:50] <ForgeAus> (I mean like now there is one, .kde for kde3 and .kde4 for kde4)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we also had to patch all of the kde4 packages to use .kde4
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> and give them -kde4 endings
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> which made sudo not work with them
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> since we had to install them in a non-standard location too
[15:51] <ForgeAus> what I mean is I'm not saying KDE4 is bad or anything just that kde3 is better still, so I odn't see why I should be forced to go KDE4...
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> well, you aren't forced to upgrade to Intrepid :P
[15:53] <ForgeAus> hmmm... true... but couldn't you at least wait until KDE4 was up to KDE3 standards before changing the default?
[15:53] <ForgeAus> not that I don't like KDE4 I just don't want it as my default desktop yet...
[15:54] <ForgeAus> right now I have both installed (well not on this PC still upgrading from feisty here but thats another tsory, will have both soon anyway)...
[15:54] <ForgeAus> but I mostly use KDE3
[15:55] <ForgeAus> actually I'm suprised it's just sudo that didn't work lol
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-devel felt that KDE4 was a suitable replacement
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> opinions are tricky things aren't they?
[15:57] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't use the term suitable I'd use the term adequate
[15:58] <ForgeAus> as much as to say that KDE4 is a usable desktop its just not as good as a kde3 one yet...
[15:59] <ForgeAus> am I making sense? or do you think I'm lying?
[16:04] <G_009> user switcher applet: nice
[16:05] <ForgeAus> yeah handy :)
[16:05] <G_009> this new incantation is better than the previous
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Nah, I don't think you're lying or anything
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Anybody who says that somebody is wrong for preferring kde3.5 should be punched
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> because KDE 3.5 is a nice desktop with 7 years of accumulated bugfixes and features
[16:06]  * G_009 votes gnome
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:07] <ForgeAus> exactly Jon
[16:07] <ForgeAus> lol G_009 ... gnome sux
[16:07]  * JontheEchidna puts on flame shield
[16:08] <G_009> congrats on making kde work for you
[16:09] <ForgeAus> easy for me G_009, then again I'm coming in as a Windows user, just a few customizations and KDE almost feels like home
[16:10] <G_009> i use both systems .. so when i switch to linux i rather taste linux
[16:10] <ForgeAus> gnome on the other hand seems to have too much pointless redundancy and totally icky default themes ... (of course themes can be changed)
[16:10] <ForgeAus> I mean I know theres always blubuntu :)
[16:11] <G_009> thats a matter of opinion .. ibex gnome is just right and fully customizable..
[16:12] <G_009> even so.. i still use the new (default) dark theme
[16:13] <ForgeAus> still themes are only the look of stuff you can always change a pixel to look differently... whats harder is functionality...
[16:13] <ForgeAus> oh and as for fully customizable I don't know a piece of KDE that isn't...
[16:14] <ForgeAus> in fact the worst part of KDE I find is that some ubuntu packages don't seem to realize some apps are wm agnostic so they want to install unnecessary gnome components along with them!
[16:14] <G_009> gnome appeals to me because i dont care for glossy taskbars 5cm wide.. :-P
[16:15] <ForgeAus> AWN being a major one in that category...
[16:15] <ForgeAus> you can always auto-hide the taskbar :) I do
[16:15] <ForgeAus> maximizes my screen realestate :)
[16:16] <G_009> i used to have AWN in gnome .. it was cool.. but i got tired of it.. i guess am just a minimalist type
[16:16] <ForgeAus> gnome is minimalist? rofl!
[16:16] <ForgeAus> it has two bars not just one, and it's chunky as
[16:16] <ForgeAus> not that KDE is all that slim I must admit
[16:17] <ForgeAus> wouldn't XFCE fit you better according to your preferences there...
[16:17] <G_009> the way i see it .. i only see icons and a few letters on my screen; my theme is my bg image
[16:17] <ForgeAus> or more still Fluxbox!
[16:18] <ForgeAus> hehe the way I see it I odn't even have icons (althouhg I could have if I wanted)... but I don't even have letters until I unhide the taskbar...
[16:18] <ForgeAus> so this KDE is even more bg-oriented, as long as I don't have an app running infront of it...
[16:19] <G_009> i do agree with XFCE too.. but somehow i still prefer gnome .. like i said.. just a matter of taste .. but you wouldnt catch me using kde
[16:19] <ForgeAus> although I do admit much of my taskbar is glossy and icons instead of text, so the letters thing is kinda a misnomer there)
[16:20] <ForgeAus> G_009 sorry can't seem to connect with you on that one...
[16:20] <ForgeAus> (at least the last bit, the XFCE bit I can see why of course...
[16:20] <ForgeAus> but even XFCE is a little too Gnome-like for me
[16:21] <ForgeAus> at least its pager bar down the bottom is auto-hideable hehe)
[16:21] <G_009> i think that kde could be a tool to make windows users feel more comfy about the switch.. but thats not my area
[16:22] <ForgeAus> well thats one use of KDE.. then again it can even have a Mac-like personality if you prefer
[16:22] <G_009> i dislike mac's 'phylosophy' .. am a pc type
[16:22] <ForgeAus> but seriously I don't see it as windows-user oriented, I mean I had to customize it to act that way...
[16:23] <G_009> i know what you mean...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> I actually don't even like how Dolphin is kinda Vista/Nautilus-ized with its breadcrumbs bar...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> I prefer Konqui as a filemanager/browser, but then Konqui is no firefox...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> soon there's going to be a Qt-firefox tho...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> hehe I bet CNR will still depend on the default one...
[16:25] <ForgeAus> if only I could lie to apt! rofl
[16:25] <G_009> that's in your wishlist i guess
[16:26] <ForgeAus> which particular that? I've already toyed with CNR...
[16:26] <ForgeAus> qtfirefox I havn't tried yet
[16:26] <ForgeAus> I still got the regular kind
[16:27] <ForgeAus> actually I think Gentoo users can already bind it (or GTK?) to QT anyway
[16:28] <G_009> i wouldnt know.. but it's like putting a ZZ1 engine in a ford truck.. possible
[16:48] <e\ectro_> I keep receiving an X error that "Maximum number of clients reached" and it wont open anymore x11 apps.  xlib issue?
[17:10] <DanaG> Argh, for me, Gnome login hangs unless I start 'failsafe terminal' and then manually do 'dbus-launch gnome-session'.
[17:13] <dmoerner> does anyone have a problem where pressing the "up" key is suddenly matched to printscreen?
[17:25] <Mot> why wont boot  intrepid with the new kernel ?
[17:25] <Mot> older ones works normal
[17:31] <Mot> 2.27 runs in busy box 26 runs normal
[17:41] <perillux> how can I upgrade to kernel 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 ??
[17:41] <dmoerner> perillux, both are in intrepid by default
[17:42] <perillux> I was asked to by the kernel dev team if I would test a problem I'm having and see if it still happens in kernel 2.6.27
[17:43] <perillux> so how would I do that?
[17:43] <perillux> dmoerner:
[17:43] <dmoerner> are you running intrepid or hardy at the moment?
[17:43] <perillux> dmoerner: hardy
[17:44] <perillux> how would i switch to intrepid?
[17:44] <dmoerner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646755 this guide explains gutsy -> hardy the same applies for hardy -> intrepid
[17:47] <perillux> they are going to release a live cd for intrepid soon aren't they?
[17:47] <perillux> not an official on or anything..
[17:47] <perillux> one*
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> there have been livecds since alpha1
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> well actually no
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> llike alpha3
[17:48] <dmoerner> perillux, http://beryllium.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/alpha-4/
[17:48] <perillux> well is there anyway that I can test kernel 2.6.27 or *.26 and then revert back to my current kernel?
[17:54] <Awsoonn> perillux: when you boot your computer you can select what kernel to use in grub.
[17:56] <perillux> hmm sorry if this is a silly question.  But from what I've been reading it seems possible to test suspend from the Live CD without having to install it.  Is that correct?
[17:56] <Awsoonn> hummmm, well I don't see why not really, but I'm not sure to be honest
[17:57] <perillux> 1 more question.  Is there a way for me to switch to intrepid, without having to make a cd and reinstall my whole OS?
[17:57] <Awsoonn> you can install it in virtualbox
[17:58] <Awsoonn> try it out, play around, so such and so forth. You will miss out on accelerated 3D however
[18:00] <perillux> I'd rather do it right though, and actually have it installed and running.  Because virtualBox can't be that reliable for testing things (specific to hardware) can it?
[18:00] <Awsoonn> right, You would only be testing the software, not the hardware portions of intrepid in that case
[18:01] <bazhang> perillux, you need to install intrepid?
[18:01] <perillux> ok, so my only option then is to make a LiveCD and reinstall everything?
[18:01] <perillux> I think so
[18:02] <perillux> the kernel dev team really just asked me to test kernel 2.6.27
[18:02] <Awsoonn> What I would do is when installing intrepid, install it in a separate partition, then you can have your stable 8.04 and yoru devel 8.10
[18:02] <perillux> I'm a noob to all this though
[18:02] <Awsoonn> soon to be non-newb though :)
[18:03] <perillux> so do you all think I should really test the full Intrepid Ibex or just the kernel with hardy?
[18:07] <perillux> Awsoonn: also if I do install Intrepid, will synaptic keep me up to date with all the changes they make to intrepid as it develops?
[18:10] <perillux> bazhang: Awsoonn: JontheEchidna: dmoerner:    anyone there?
[18:11] <perillux> anyone?  I really just want to know if synaptic will keep me up to date with intrepid changes if I switch to intrepid?
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> yes, it will
[18:12] <perillux> thanks
[18:12] <perillux> some people who have been having suspend problems like me are reporting to have success in intrepid so I'm gonna give it a try
[18:13] <dmoerner> perillux, it might be worth trying on a temporary partition since downgrades are impossible
[18:19] <alex_mayorga> hi, any jockey devs?
[18:19] <alex_mayorga> I'm seeing this one right now bug #255889
[18:24] <alex_mayorga> any info that I must gather?
[18:32] <bsnider> there's already a confirmed bug, so i wouldn't worry about it
[18:36] <alex_mayorga> bsnider, thanks
[18:41] <DanaG> Argh, for me, Gnome login hangs unless I start 'failsafe terminal' and then manually do 'dbus-launch gnome-session'.
[19:02] <DanaG> Hmm, the new wave theme does look nice... but I like rounded stuff.
[19:41] <mifritscher> hi
[19:41] <mifritscher> will be uml or xen be updated?
[20:52] <JackTheBiscuit> Just a quick one I've lost my resolution (now 800x600) on my nvidia graphics card I think on saturday does anyone know a quick fix
[20:52] <JackTheBiscuit> or if anyone is experiencing similar problems
[20:53] <bsnider> you've lost your resolution?
[20:53] <bsnider> where did you last have it?
[20:53] <JackTheBiscuit> tut
[20:53] <JackTheBiscuit> lol
[20:54] <bsnider> what is it supposed to be?
[20:54] <JackTheBiscuit> some 16:9 thing 1440x900 or the one below that
[20:54] <bsnider> and which driver are you running?
[20:55] <JackTheBiscuit> I just installed the 177 driver but I've tried 173
[20:55] <bsnider> is the 177 driver actually loaded right now?
[20:55] <JackTheBiscuit> I don't think so
[20:55] <bsnider> can you pastebin your xorg.conf file please?
[20:56] <JackTheBiscuit> Okeydoke
[21:02] <simosx> How can I find out with which Xorg version is Ubuntu 8.10 going to ship? Is it the released version (sometime in spring, which is now in Alpha4) and will not change in the following alphas/betas/etc?
[21:03] <bsnider> probably xorg 7.4, because it should be released this week now that mesa 7.1 is finished
[21:04] <bsnider> and the current version is one of its release candidates
[21:05] <simosx> bsnider: thanks.
[21:36] <perillux> I'm trying to install Intrepid with the minimal CD
[21:37] <perillux> but when I put the cd in and turn it on I just see "boot: " and I can type
[21:37] <perillux> how do I proceeed?
[21:37] <void^> if you just press return?
[21:37] <perillux> ok I will try it
[21:39] <perillux> void^: is that it though?  will I have to do or type anything else?
[21:45] <alex-weej> anyone know anything about Flash just plain not working in Intrepid?
[21:45] <alex-weej> everything is just a grey box
[21:45] <alex-weej> on amd64
[21:46] <alex-weej> and there are little flash-object-sized windows popping up as i browse
[21:46] <alex-weej> if i close any of them, the browser exits
[23:08] <jason_> is anyone here using Intrepid right now?
[23:09] <jason_> I just installed intrepid with the minimal CD.
[23:10] <jason_> when it started all I got was a command line, but I did "sudo apt-get install gdm" and restarted and now I have an interface
[23:10] <jason_> just wondering if anyone can help me know what other packages I might be missing...
[23:10] <bsnider> install ubuntu-desktop
[23:11] <jason_> thanks
[23:11] <jason_> also I noticed that when I click the "shutdown" button it doesn't give me the option to suspend
[23:12] <bsnider> doesn't work anyway
[23:12] <jason_> I was asked to test suspend under intrepid
[23:12] <bsnider> asked by who?
[23:12] <jason_> the kernel dev team.  it was really the 2.6.27 kernel they wanted tested.
[23:13] <jason_> but I figured it would be better to just switch to intrepid so I could properly test it
[23:13] <bsnider> maybe it will be there after the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is in there
[23:13] <jason_> that's what I'm thinking.  or else I could just do s2disk or s2both I guess.
[23:14] <jason_> bsnider: why do you say that it doesn't work anyway?
[23:15] <bsnider> all of the shutdown/restart etc. buttons do nothing in intrepid right now
[23:15] <bsnider> you can log out, that's about it
[23:15] <jason_> so how do u shutdown then?  sudo poweroff ??
[23:16] <bsnider> the buttons work at the logon screen
[23:16] <bsnider> but not within gnome
[23:16] <jason_> is there a suspend button in there?
[23:16] <bsnider> i think so
[23:17] <jacob> if you have fast-user-switch applet on your panel in gnome, you can use those menu entries to reboot/shutdown and they will work, at least they do here
[23:17] <bsnider> never tried that
[23:39] <DanaG> Heh, I just figured out why my Gnome session was broken.
[23:39] <DanaG> Running strace on it showed that it was getting "EAGAIN" on the 'connect' function (on a socket).
[23:39] <DanaG> Look in the manpages for 'connect':
[23:40] <DanaG> EAGAIN No more free local ports or insufficient entries in the routing cache.  For PF_INET see the net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range sysctl in ip(7) on how to increase the number of local ports.
[23:41] <DanaG> So..... how do I fix that?
[23:44] <bsnider> is gnome 2.24 supposed to be in intrepid?
[23:57] <jason_> I'm using intrepid bsnider
[23:57] <jason_> I can check for u if u tell me how
[23:59] <RAOF> bsnider: Yes, of course.