[00:00] <johanbr> jono, it is included... try "sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio vid=0x763 pid=0x2012 device_setup=0x9 index=5 enable=1"
[00:02] <jono> johanbr, awesome, so what I am stuck on is what I pass it to turn on the 0x10 as documented in http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/M-Audio_FastTrack_Pro
[00:03] <johanbr> you add up the values in hex
[00:04] <johanbr> for instance, 0x01 + 0x08 + 0x10 = 0x19
[00:04] <jono> ahhh
[00:05] <jono> johanbr, when I modprobe it, I don't see any input channels for the device
[00:06] <pgraner> johanbr: alsa mixer
[00:06] <jono> in alsamixer it says the soundcard doesnt have any controls
[00:06] <jono> when I switch t use the card
[00:07] <johanbr> try without the "digital input" flag, maybe?
[00:09] <jono> hmmm
[00:10] <jono> this guide at http://www.joegiampaoli.com/blog/?p=462 recommended vid=0x763 pid=0x2012 device_setup=0x09 index=5 enable=1
[00:10] <jono> and I still get no controls
[00:10] <jono> just to be sure, this is what I am running:
[00:10] <jono> jono@system76-pc:~$ sudo modprobe -r snd_usb_audio
[00:10] <jono> jono@system76-pc:~$ sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio vid=0x763 pid=0x2012 device_setup=0x09 index=5 enable=1
[00:11] <jono> johanbr, not sure if that helps
[00:12] <johanbr> hmm... then I'm out of ideas, I'm afraid
[00:12] <johanbr> except maybe trying a different kernel
[00:13] <jono> are we sure this patch is in the kernel?
[00:13] <johanbr> oh, I thought when you said "the driver" you meant snd-usb-audio
[00:13] <johanbr> I didn't read properly... my apologies
[00:14] <jono> no worries
[00:14] <johanbr> whether that specific patch is in, I don't know
[00:14] <jono> no I mean this specific patch, outlined on http://www.joegiampaoli.com/blog/?p=462
[00:14] <jono> is there a way in which we can check?
[00:15] <johanbr> look at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git I guess
[00:15] <johanbr> and see if the lucid kernel has the changes
[00:16] <jono> pgraner, is this something you can help with?
[00:18] <warewolf> can someone explain to me how to add the kernel-ppa mainline to apt so I can download a 2.6.34 source package and recompile it?
[00:21] <johanbr> jono, it's not included
[00:21] <jono> johanbr, ahhh ok
[00:21] <jono> thanks
[00:21] <johanbr> no problem
[00:21] <jono> I guess I am SOL then
[00:22] <jono> no worries, thanks!
[00:22] <johanbr> you're welcome
[01:54] <m4tr1x> apw, are you in?
[02:35] <MTecknology> Any of you happen to know what kernel module dm_mod comes in?
[05:41] <bullgard> What does "stripped" mean in '~$ file /usr/bin/make; /usr/bin/make: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped'?
[05:48] <virtuald> strip (1)            - Discard symbols from object files.
[05:50] <m4tr1x> some of you have Marvel 9123/9128 sata3 controller
[05:50] <m4tr1x> on motherboard?
[06:49] <bullgard4> virtuald: You missed the target: I did not ask for an object file.
[07:10] <virtuald> bullgard4: exes still have symbols if not stripped
[07:20] <lapion> hello
[07:24] <lapion> I have been having problems with i855 hangcheck-freezes until I tried the maverick backported kernel: Linux axion-laptop 2.6.35-6-generic #9~lucid1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 30 11:34:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:25] <lapion> only problem I have with that kernel is that is doesn't give oss-dsps
[07:35] <lapion> *it
[07:36] <lapion> how do I get oss-dsps with this kernel ?
[08:28] <bullgard> virtuald: Thank you very much for your help.
[10:10] <simar> what is the purpose of the driver package kbd, evdev, mousedev are these part of kernel or x??
[15:19] <bullgard> http://lwn.net/Articles/21835/ speaks about "the top Makefile." What directory contains "the top Makefile"?
[15:31] <jpds> bullgard: The source root?
[17:06]  * warewolf cries
[17:06] <warewolf> why can't I get hid-mosart working!?
[18:00] <bullgard> How can I determine the source code file name of the kernel process 'pm'?


[01:34] <valorie> good band, though
[04:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey, I sent a bot request in here, if you accept it, get rid of the redundant "for" please.
[04:06] <SonikkuAmerica> It's about the !nexus7 factoid.
[04:06] <SonikkuAmerica> (Perhaps this is an -irc question but I thought of -ops first, sorry if I'm doing it wrong)
[04:07] <rww> -ops works
[04:07] <rww> !nexus7
[04:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, that installer is long since trash.
[04:07] <rww> now i want to install i3wm on my n7
[04:08] <rww> !-nexus7
[04:08] <rww> !forget nexus7
[04:08] <rww> !touch
[04:08] <rww> !-touch
[04:08] <rww> !-phone
[04:08] <rww> !unforget nexus7
[04:08] <rww> !no, nexus7 is <alias> phone
[04:08] <SonikkuAmerica> rww: That should be (more than) enough. Thanks and goodbye! See you in #u-ot rww ! :)
[04:08] <rww> :)
[09:26] <chrono> dono why but i'm banned from #ubuntu
[09:26] <chrono> for some reason
[09:26] <chrono> ikonia:
[09:29] <k1l> chrono: hi
[09:29] <chrono> hey
[09:29] <k1l> you were asked not to run scripts or bots in #ubuntu
[09:29] <chrono> i don't know what scripts or bots anyone is talking about?
[09:29] <chrono> as i've been afk for a day or so
[09:30] <chrono> i just recieved these messages tonight
[09:30] <bazhang>  <chrono> YouTube Title:  Gogol Bordello - start wearing purple Views: 4,755,132 Length: 3:51 User:   mikevance
[09:30] <chrono> oh a youtube parse script
[09:30] <bazhang> following a youtube link
[09:30] <chrono> ok np
[09:30] <k1l> chrono: if you dont know what scripts you are running you should not let your user idle in a channel
[09:30] <chrono> remove
[09:30] <chrono> removed*
[09:30] <chrono> k1l:
[09:30] <chrono> don't get smart with me mate
[09:31] <chrono> i don't understand the problem with the script to begin with
[09:32] <chrono> all it does is help someone know what they're about to view
[09:32] <k1l> chrono: sorry, but your are acting against the !guidelines. dont try to blame us for that :/  please remove all scripts (or make them not work in #ubuntu* channels) according to the guidelines
[09:32] <chrono> lol
[09:32] <chrono> like i said removed
[09:32] <k1l> !guidelines > chrono please read them
[09:32] <chrono> hey np
[09:32] <chrono> find me in #debian
[09:34] <k1l> well, if he does not intend to even read the guidelines to understand why he was banned,...
[09:34] <k1l> @mark chrono refuses to read the guidelines and act according to them
[13:24] <Pici> sort of scary that 14.04 will reach EOL in 2019... thats like in the Future™
[14:15] <k1l> :)
[14:15] <k1l> and in 2019 everyone will be surprised how quick 14.04 is EOL
[15:43] <IdleOne> muted chulis in -es because they were doing the same random stuff as in #ubuntu. they quit right after
[15:45] <Pici> you speak spanish?
[15:46] <IdleOne> I don't write it well enough, but yes.
[15:48] <Pici> oh, neat :)
[15:48] <IdleOne> I learned to speak it when I lived in PA


[00:05] <cuebix> the moment of truth... system restarting...
[00:06] <SlidingHorn> cuebix: crossing fingers for you
[00:07] <cuebix> :D thanks
[00:07] <cuebix> sweet. It worked!
[00:07] <cuebix> Shit might be broken, but as long as SSH works, I'm good to go :)
[00:08] <SlidingHorn> cuebix: congrats!  (watch the language though, please - all-ages channel here)  :)
[00:08] <cuebix> That was a pretty slick process. It prompted me a few times about differences in some important files, including my sshd_config
[00:08] <cuebix> Oops, sorry!
[00:20] <energizer> is it a pain to isntall ubuntu without a display?
[00:22] <cuebix> How would that work energizer ?
[00:23] <energizer> cuebix: insert boot media, boot into autoinstaller, remove boot media, done
[00:25] <cuebix> I guess if it doesn't prompt you for anything it'd work.
[00:38] <SlidingHorn> energizer: Closest answer I could find: https://askubuntu.com/a/250931/474173
[00:39] <energizer> SlidingHorn: looking, thanks
[00:43] <Sven_vB> energizer, you could use a serial console to install in textmode.
[00:45] <TheSp33dyMan> hello
[00:45] <TheSp33dyMan> I have a question with drivers
[00:45] <Sven_vB> energizer, also I'm currently learning about how to install Ubuntu via debootstrap. you could develop auto-install scripts (or ask me to ;) ) and then use alpine linux or sth. to init your Ubuntu. https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apds04.html
[00:46] <TheSp33dyMan> i have intel hd 5500 and i am not sure if i have the right drivers
[00:47] <TheSp33dyMan> anyone?
[00:47] <truexfan81> on my 18.10 system something is refusing to release the lock on dpkg, any ideas?
[00:47] <Sven_vB> but yeah the "install in another computer and move/clone the hard disk" approach is probably easiest if applicable.
[00:47] <craigbass76> Is there some sneaky trick to get a Pixel3 to hook up via USB?
[00:48] <B0g4r7> Success!  My "check engine" light is now off.  That only took...hours.
[00:48] <TheSp33dyMan> aaa can anyone read this?
[00:48] <TheSp33dyMan> i wanna make sure if i am registered
[00:48] <craigbass76> B0g4r7, I just got here. What did you get running?
[00:48] <Sven_vB> TheSp33dyMan, I can read you.
[00:48] <TheSp33dyMan> ok thanks lol
[00:48] <craigbass76> TheSp33dyMan, Yes, I can hear you
[00:48] <energizer> Sven_vB: ah i didnt realize there are SATA-to-USB cables. that seems like it'd make this much easier
[00:49] <B0g4r7> Ubuntu laptop, runs scantoolnet.exe in wine, connecting to a bluetooth obd2 dongle to talk to the vehicle.
[00:49] <TheSp33dyMan> obd2 dougle lol
[00:49] <craigbass76> Stop the bus... WHat vehicle? That's awesome
[00:49] <TheSp33dyMan> car guy?
[00:50] <TheSp33dyMan> JDM?
[00:50] <pikia> How would I make a script that I can access from any directory? I have one that ssh's into my VPS and automatically attatches a tmux session. I'd like to be able to call this script simply by typing in the name of the script
[00:50] <B0g4r7> The bluetooth stuff is the tricky bit.
[00:50] <TheSp33dyMan> nvm..
[00:50] <B0g4r7> 2008 Ram 1500.  You can buy the dongles for $20 or less on ebay, aluexpress,etc.
[00:50] <Sven_vB> energizer, I just put two machines next to each other and plug in a long SATA cable. :D
[00:50] <B0g4r7> aliexpress
[00:50] <TheSp33dyMan> anyways, can someone help me with my drivers?
[00:50] <TheSp33dyMan> intel hd 5500
[00:50] <craigbass76> As much as i'm into tech, my next car is going to be something with no computer. I'm thinking mid-70s Thunderbird, or Continental. I want to be able to see the engine and work on it.
[00:50] <TheSp33dyMan> not sure if i have the right drivers
[00:51] <SlidingHorn> TheSp33dyMan: I have to scroll back a ton because there's too much non-support chatter going on right now....hold
[00:51] <TheSp33dyMan> ok
[00:52] <Sven_vB> TheSp33dyMan, terminal command: ubuntu-drivers devices
[00:52] <TheSp33dyMan> ok hold on...
[00:53] <Sven_vB> there's also "ubuntu-drivers list", not sure what the difference is
[00:53] <Sven_vB> I usually just use sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:54] <TheSp33dyMan> no drivers...
[00:54] <TheSp33dyMan> found
[00:54] <SlidingHorn> truexfan81: Take a look here:
[00:54] <SlidingHorn> https://askubuntu.com/a/102084/474173
[00:55] <Sven_vB> TheSp33dyMan, then you have all the easy ones. are you missing some features?
[00:55] <TheSp33dyMan> i get low fps on games that i could run easily on windows
[00:56] <TheSp33dyMan> and the animations for ubuntu are a bit laggy
[00:56] <Sven_vB> TheSp33dyMan, I'd search the web for your ubuntu version + your graphics card name
[00:56] <TheSp33dyMan> ook
[00:56] <SlidingHorn> TheSp33dyMan: The driver should already be preinstalled - Does it specifically say "no drivers found" or does it say "unknown"?
[00:57] <truexfan81> SlidingHorn: that deleted those files but didn't fix the error
[00:57] <truexfan81> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
[00:57] <truexfan81> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
[00:57] <truexfan81> is running sudo apt-get upgrade somehow failing to run it as root?
[00:57] <SlidingHorn> truexfan81: did you first read and try the 3 links under "other answers first"?
[00:58] <Sven_vB> truexfan81, I think I had a similar error some days ago, where the real error was that user "_apt" lacked permission to write on /tmp
[00:59] <SlidingHorn> truexfan81: it's pretty important that you try everything else shown in the answer I linked to before trying that solution itself.
[01:00] <TheSp33dyMan> i cant find anything
[01:00] <TheSp33dyMan> any idea?
[01:01] <SlidingHorn> TheSp33dyMan: please see my previous message to you
[01:01] <Sven_vB> truexfan81, oh and another similar error message was when I had another dpkg running in another terminal, forgot about it, and it still lingered there because it had questions.
[01:02] <TheSp33dyMan> oh ok
[01:02] <truexfan81> if i figure out which gui tool is causing this issue i will be purging it from the system, because its obviously garbage
[01:02] <TheSp33dyMan> thanks
[01:03] <SlidingHorn> truexfan81: It might not even be a GUI program.  I've provided an answer that *will* fix your issue, regardless, and Sven_vB has provided other examples that could be causing it.
[01:05] <truexfan81> rofl
[01:05] <truexfan81> SlidingHorn: i tried to do the sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock  result was xorg crashed and restarted
[01:06] <SwaggerArch> I like Deepin OS refershing
[01:07] <SwaggerArch> another apt-get, ubuntu should have done this desktop a long time ago... shame
[01:08] <SwaggerArch> MacOS + ubuntu = Deepin
[01:08] <SwaggerArch> https://imgur.com/a/13iRJde
[01:08] <SlidingHorn> !ot | SwaggerArch
[01:09] <SwaggerArch> SlidingHorn, Got a real question for ubuntu a script bash app install
[01:09] <bray90820> How would I install grub without installing ubuntu
[01:10] <bray90820> The drive actually already has ubuntu on it but grub hasn't been installed
[01:11] <SlidingHorn> bray90820: Check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[01:11] <SwaggerArch> wrote script from following website https://milanaryal.com.np/write-a-shell-script-for-ubuntu-to-install-your-list-of-apps/
[01:12] <SwaggerArch> Can anytell me is there anything missing from the script or you would add to make the script better?
[01:12] <SlidingHorn> SwaggerArch: That's more a question for #bash, as it's not related directly to Ubuntu, itself
[01:13] <bray90820> SlidingHorn: that assumes you ether wanna wipe the drive or you previously had a working grub
[01:13] <SwaggerArch> wow jesus what kind of ubuntu is this?
[01:13] <SwaggerArch> later
[01:13] <Apachez> SwaggerArch: personally I would like the install line without -y
[01:13] <Apachez> so that I must verify before it proceeds, not uncommon with retarded depdencies that suddently tries to drag in all sort of junk
[01:13] <bray90820> I am moving my ubuntu from one drive to another and never had grub installed
[01:15] <SwaggerArch> Apachez, thanks... I like the comments in the script so I don't have to remember every little thing.. That is why it didn't ask to proceed yes/no ok
[01:16] <SlidingHorn> bray90820: you would go through the same process listed under the "fixing a broken system" or "reinstalling grub" to do it.
[01:17] <bray90820> SlidingHorn: Thanks I'll try that
[01:17] <SwaggerArch> Apachez, glad I took 2 semesters of programming in Unix and C++
[01:18] <SwaggerArch> Apachez, unix class was aimed at unix server and as400 really was to understand the Unix server relationship to as400
[01:18] <SlidingHorn> SwaggerArch: please take this to #ubuntu-offtopic, as this is no longer related to ubuntu support
[01:20] <SwaggerArch> SlidingHorn, headed to bash.... get windows unbashed.. hahaha
[01:20] <SwaggerArch> leave
[01:36] <unique_id> I was hoping to try Wayland. I've installed 18.10 + nvidia drivers but don't get any selection cog on login screen, and I've confirmed that I'm running X11.
[01:36] <unique_id> What to do?
[01:37] <unique_id> WaylandEnable=false is commented out
[01:41] <leonardus> How do completely get rid of all video drivers and start over as if it were a fresh install?
[01:41] <leonardus> Because I think switching from Nvidia to AMD messed things up and now some programs aren't starting.
[01:49] <cuebix> anyone familiar with bind? I've never set it up before but trying to get it up and running. The server seems to be running, but on a weird address and i'm not sure why
[01:50] <cuebix> Looks like it's running on <IP_ADDRESS>: tcp    LISTEN   0        128         <IP_ADDRESS>%lo:53             <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[01:50] <irwiss> sure that's not systemd resolver?
[01:51] <cuebix> Hmm, I am not sure
[01:51] <cuebix> How would I check that?
[02:01] <jayjo> my bluetooth manager is frozen in a pairing state for an apple keyboard, it had worked before I upgraded to 18.10
[02:04] <jayjo> i was told to try using bluetoothctl for more verbose output - how can I setup a device with it?
[02:14] <nshirelite> I chose to install ubuntu alongside an existing windows install. is the partition to the left the windows partition?
[02:14] <SlidingHorn> jayjo: this should help: https://askubuntu.com/a/763972/474173
[02:15] <nshirelite> https://imgur.com/a/cW5oamJ
[02:15] <SlidingHorn> nshirelite: your Windows partition will likely be the only one formatted as NTFS in your list
[02:16] <nshirelite> looks good then. if I decide I don't want ubuntu on this machine, I can just delete the ubuntu partition and extend the ntfs one right?
[02:17] <nshirelite> never done dualboot before. Not very familiar with it.
[02:18] <SlidingHorn> nshirelite: correct - You may have to do some little extras to remove GRUB afterward.  I don't remember.  Nothing terribly difficult though
[02:21] <jayjo> SlidingHorn: when I run `bluetoothctl devices` i get this output: https://bpaste.net/show/312905896971
[02:21] <jayjo> looks like something is connecting over and over or attempting to connect? What could those devices be?
[02:22] <norton_1> How do I configure a USB mouse? on dmesg I get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yhvMkG6m2j/
[02:31] <nshirelite> install complete, here's hoping nothing was horribly brokenn
[02:33] <jayjo> this is the error I'm getting when trying to pair with bluetoothctl: https://bpaste.net/show/4ad4e79c0899
[02:33] <jayjo> everything had worked fine before the upgrade to 18.10 from 18.04
[02:48] <SlidingHorn> jayjo: It *could* be a driver issue, considering it's an Apple keyboard.  I could be wrong though.  Hopefully someone better-versed in this particular area than myself is able to help
[02:50] <SlidingHorn> jayjo: I would suggest searching terms like -  ubuntu apple keyboard bluetooth  - on DuckDuckGo, etc.  Look for folks with similar issues on sites like askubuntu.com etc
[03:05] <nshirelaptop> test
[03:05] <nshirelaptop> nice
[03:07] <nshirelaptop> I'm using the minimal install of ubuntu on this machine and it feels so much more responsive than win10. very niec.
[03:10] <nshirelaptop> does the full install(i.e. not the minimal install) have support fort exFAT partitions? not sure what I should install for support
[03:13] <Bashing-om> nshirelaptop: Are exfat-utils and exfat-fuse installed ?
[03:18] <Geo> I only have one resolution available- running on an HP laptop. What do I need to install to make more available to me?
[03:19] <SlidingHorn> !resolution | Geo
[03:21] <Geo> I'm not looking at fixing- I don't think the drivers for my card are installed
[03:21] <Geo> Hence the sole option available
[03:21] <Geo> Maybe I'm wrong?
[03:28] <Bashing-om> Geo: Grub command `vbeinfo' . If this is a legacy system .. see the comments in /etc/default/grub file .
[03:29] <Geo> Brand new laptop
[03:31] <Geo> I guess I'm just confused- in settings->devices, I can pick a resolution, but only one is available. I've seen screen shots with multiple available. What is enabling that?
[03:32] <Geo> Its an Intel graphics card
[03:41] <SlidingHorn> Geo: the link I gave you through ubottu tells you how this is fixed.
[03:52] <Geo> SlidingHorn: closest I saw was 'undetected resolutions' ... I'm looking for how to make them detected
[03:53] <Geo> In the past, I know I've had to install a video card driver set. Is that no longer the case?
[03:53] <Geo> That is what made new sets of resolution available
[03:54] <Geo> Or, maybe point me to the relevent section of that page?
[03:54] <SlidingHorn> Geo: ....and the word *before* "undetected resolutions" is "Adding"
[03:55] <Geo> I don't know what resolutions are supported
[03:56] <Geo> Hence why I want the correct drivers to be installed, to enable detection
[03:56] <SlidingHorn> Geo: Intel graphics are installed by default.  To find out what resolutions your laptop supports, you may need to check the manufacturer's website.
[03:59] <Teachmehow> Hello. I have created a custom user and I want the user to be able to write in /home/ubuntu/ directory. The permission for ubuntu directory is 'drwxrwxr-x'. I've added my user to sudo group and I am still not permitted to create a directory. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
[04:10] <Geo> ok, did that. Thanks
[04:10] <SlidingHorn> Teachmehow: have you logged out as the altered user and logged back in?
[04:13] <djapo> hey guys, quick question not really related to channel, is packtpub's free book feature working for anyone ? i looked thru the site source and it doesn't work for me in many browsers
[04:17] <SlidingHorn> djapo: not on topic for this channel.  I doubt you're likely to find a satisfactory answer here.  Maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:18] <djapo> SlidingHorn: thanks
[04:29] <mlalkaka> Often times when searching for software in Ubuntu Software, I see two sources for packages: one is from a Snap, and the other is from ubuntu-cosmic-*. How do you decide which one to choose?
[04:30] <myself> I asked precisely that question a few weeks ago. And apparently I'm still in the channel... ;)
[04:31] <myself> Consensus was avoid the snaps unless they're the only version available. I don't remember the specific reasons and apparently my scrollback doesn't go back that far.
[04:32] <djapo> i like flatpak
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> mlalkaka: all the packages in the software centre are meant for your ubuntu version
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> mlalkaka: but you can choose as user: the apt repo package vs the snap(more latest) package
[04:34] <mlalkaka> myself, lotuspsychje: thanks! I'll stick with the apt repo package in this case, because it was much smaller and is the same version as the Snap package
[04:42] <Geo> I added the xrandr lines to /etc/gdm3/Init/Default, but the resolution changes are not persistent after reboot. Any thoughts as to what I need to do differently?
[04:44] <SlidingHorn> Geo: Unfortunately, while the entry says "TRY THIS FIRST", it's buried toward the bottom of the page....give this a shot instead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Try_this_first
[04:45] <SlidingHorn> Geo: having your xorg.conf file set up should keep the settings after rebooting
[04:50] <Geo> ok, i give up, where is xorg.conf on 18.04?
[04:51] <Geo> etc/ and etc/X11/ don't have it
[04:52] <jayjo> are there possibly some bluetooth drivers I should install for the apple keyboard to work?
[04:52] <jayjo> still not working, not connecting even with bluetoothctl
[04:59] <SlidingHorn> Geo: You may have to create your own....    cd /etx/X11     and then   sudo Xorg -configure   (sorry, it's been a while since I've had to configure this stuff)
[07:00] <pikia> Laptop just took a poopy. Restarted and I saw that there is a file called "core"
[07:00] <pikia> How do I analyze this file to find out what happened
[07:02] <SlidingHorn> pikia: what do you mean "there was a file"?  Where?
[07:47] <talx> hello
[07:47] <talx> :D
[07:47] <talx> morning folks
[07:47] <talx> is there a way to auto customize live-cd when its up
[07:48] <talx> similar to kickstart
[07:48] <Blessed> Hi there. Im trying to install Ubuntu on PC connected to TV trough HDMI port. Sorry I dont have monitor. Problem is that during booot Display just blacks out. How to fix that?
[07:49] <ducasse> talx: check out 'preseeding'
[07:49] <ducasse> !nomodeset | Blessed
[07:51] <Blessed> ducasse: Thank you VERY much. I will try it!
[08:08] <icedwater> Hmm, I'm trying to set up virtualbox on an ubuntu 16.04 server. How come it seems that the repository versions 5.0.12/5.1.38 both don't work? virtualbox-dkms installs, but vboxdrv is not created somehow.
[08:08] <icedwater> 5.0.18*
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox xenial
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: can you explain a bit more details of whats happening please, see also #ubuntu-server and #vbox
[08:15] <icedwater> lotuspsychje: sure, thanks for taking the time. I'm trying to install virtualbox 5.1.38 on - hmm... wait a minute. I might be trying to set it up on a 14.04 server instead, let me confirm the version -_-" the kernel is 3.13
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: mixing package versions across ubuntu versions isnt reccomended
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: is your 14.04 server up to date?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox trusty
[08:23] <icedwater> OK, brainfart. Sorry. It is 16.04 according to lsb_release -r; so it was running a 3.13.0-24-generic kernel before, and when I try to `apt-get install virtualbox`, it fetches 5.1.38, goes through the install process, but fails.
[08:23] <tarzeau> wow people still run 14.04 ?
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: i think your server might have a kernel glitch
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: 14.04 is still supported
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[08:24] <tarzeau> i know i just find the software is so outdated
[08:24] <tarzeau> even 16.04 is too old for most of my purposes (photogrammetry)
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: this should be your kernel ^ or the hwe one 4.15
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: as long as 14.04 is supported, we need to support it here, even if packages are 'older' doesnt mean they are insecure
[08:26] <icedwater> tarzeau: yeah, I haven't updated my other server which is running on 14.04 - I don't really want to dist-upgrade it though
[08:27] <icedwater> lotuspsychje: yes, on my workstation, 16.04 is running 4.4.0 and has virtualbox 5.1.38 installed just fine
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: doublecheck if your server is up to date plz?
[08:28] <icedwater> What would "up-to-date" mean in this case? It's running 3.13 as mentioned, for some odd reason. I think I just installed it too long ago.
[08:30] <icedwater> http://ix.io/lwc0 has the virtualbox-install details :/
[08:32] <ducasse> you might just need to install a newer kernel, i don't think 3.13 is the correct kernel for xenial
[08:33] <icedwater> Yeah, I just installed 4.4.0
[08:34] <Blade> nikolov@xubuntu-ivan:~$ uname -a
[08:34] <Blade> Linux xubuntu-ivan 4.20.0-042000rc7-generic #201812161930 SMP Mon Dec 17 00:32:47 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:34] <Blade> nikolov@xubuntu-ivan:~$
[08:34] <Blade> hahahahah
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> can we help you Blade ?
[08:34] <Blessed> ducasse: seems not working
[08:34] <Blade> nothing work good
[08:35] <ducasse> Blade: that kernel is unsupported
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> Blade: this is the ubuntu channel here, only ubuntu questions please
[08:35] <Blade> manual install
[08:35] <icedwater> ducasse: should I be concerned that linux-headers-generic is still <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:36] <icedwater> I've done a update-grub and it has the new kernel.
[08:36] <Blade> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[08:36] <Blade> see
[08:36] <icedwater> I'll see if the restart works fine, brb
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: you could try the Fn + F (screen switch button) see if you can switch
[08:36] <ducasse> icedwater: you would need newer headers for the modules to be buildt against
[08:37] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: what does it help?
[08:37] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: yeah but i dont have Fn button
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: is that a laptop?
[08:37] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: nop
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> oh
[08:38] <icedwater> Yeah, I suppose so, ducasse - I'll try to install the headers when the reboot is done
[08:38] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: i tried to boot with nomodeset using F6 key during boot still the screen goes black on TV
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: how about in your bios, do you see an option there VGA/HDMI choice?
[08:39] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: i found something like this in bios: IGD Primary Video Port: Auto
[08:40] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: So i selected HDMI
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: you can try that
[08:41] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: ok i will
[08:42] <icedwater> ducasse: hmm, there's linux-headers-3.13.0-24-generic, linux-headers-4.4.0-137-generic, and linux-headers-generic (<IP_ADDRESS>.28)
[08:43] <icedwater> Fingers crossed, it seems to be working...
[08:43] <ducasse> icedwater: does 4.4.0-137 match your kernel?
[08:44] <icedwater> ducasse: yup
[08:45] <ducasse> icedwater: then you should be good. the vbox modules will usually build against a limited range of kernels
[08:46] <icedwater> Yep, it's fixed. Thanks ducasse and lotuspsychje for the initial assistance :)
[08:46] <ducasse> yw :)
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: i would check to cleanout older kernels too if i was you
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> icedwater:  <IP_ADDRESS>.146 is what xenial should have
[08:47] <Blade> apt autoclean apt autoremove
[08:47] <Blade> update-grub
[08:58] <icedwater> lotuspsychje: I've got 140.146 and 137.163 now, looks like 137 is what's running.
[09:00] <icedwater> Should I also clean out <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:07] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: didnt work
[09:10] <Roden> how can I check the chmod of a directory?
[09:11] <ducasse> Roden: 'ls -ld /path/to/dir'
[09:11] <Roden> how do I convert rxrwrxrwswxrsrxrraxxrr to numbers again?
[09:12] <Roden> drwxr-xr-x for example
[09:12] <ducasse> Roden: see the 'chmod' man page
[09:13] <Roden> I catually screwed up
[09:13] <Roden> I assigned ownership of the directory with the $USER environment variable, and it's thew rong directory
[09:17] <Teachmehow> Hi. I want to gain write access to home/ubuntu. When I type in "ls -la' this is the result I get for the ubuntu folder. 'drwxr-xr-x  7 ubuntu  ubuntu  4096 Dec 17 08:55 ubuntu'. My current user belongs to sudo, sarthak and ubuntu groups.  Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
[09:18] <iomari> greetings,
[09:19] <iomari> greetings, I'm just gettng usedtothe way ubuntu is organized. I'm from the opensuse world. What is the name of the user/group owners of apache? Using opensuse it's wwwrun.www.
[09:20] <iomari> I'm referring to web content folders.
[09:21] <geirha> Teachmehow: only the owner has write access. The group (ubuntu) has readonly access
[09:21] <EriC^^> iomari: /var/www/html is owned by root, but the apache user is called www-data
[09:22] <geirha> Teachmehow: Though why are you trying to write to another user's homedir in the first place?
[09:22] <Teachmehow> geirha: oh. i get it now. so I must chmod 775 on the dir then?
[09:23] <Teachmehow> geirha: I was trying to install ghost(the blogging platform) and it needs me to make a non-root user and yet it wants to write on /home/ubuntu
[09:24] <geirha> you are running it with sudo then?
[09:24] <geirha> If so, add -H to that sudo so HOME gets set to the destination user
[09:24] <Teachmehow> geirha: it does not allow me run with sudo. I need to use the 'ghost install' command with a non-root user.
[09:25] <iomari> EriC^^: thanks. what of the apache group?
[09:26] <EriC^^> iomari: same, www-data
[09:26] <iomari> EriC^^: thanks
[09:26] <EriC^^> np
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: what is your graphics card chipset?
[09:33] <pikia> when does the file xorg.conf get used? During the login screen, or after you login? On ubunutu 18.04
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: its not wise to keep running 'older' kernels for security reasons
[09:41] <iomari> greetings, does anyone know of a good irc client that can view multiple chats simultaneously with tabs or split screen ?
[09:42] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: sorry
[09:42] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: im not sure
[09:43] <pikia> weechat
[09:43] <pikia> and tmux
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: sudo lshw -C video
[09:45] <Blessed> lotuspsychje: one minute
[09:45] <Blessed> Im on windows i will see
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> Blessed: i think best way, would be trying to get a computer screen connected first, then mirror your screens from settings to be able to see yout tv/hmdi
[09:48] <iomari> pikia: thanks
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> iomari: or terminator splitted terminals, and run irssi a few times
[09:49] <iomari> lotuspsychje: cool. thanks
[09:50] <iomari> someone on another channel recommended hexchat.
[09:50] <iomari> looks interesting. I've been using quassel for years but I think I need a change.
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> iomari: hexchat can also detach channels in seperate windows sure
[09:51] <iomari> lotuspsychje: I'm sold.:-)
[09:51] <iomari> I'm downloading it as we speak.
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> iomari: its on the ubuntu repos
[09:53] <iomari> I'm snap downloading on ubuntu and zypping it on opensuse ...
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> iomari: allright, have fun!
[09:54] <iomari> thanks
[10:18] <coz_> morning to all
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> hey there coz_ what can we do for you today?
[10:38] <simpledat> Hi
[10:38] <simpledat> Can you change unity so that the panel shows on the bottom of screen? Like Cinnamon does?
[10:43] <Tin_man> simpledat, >> https://www.howtogeek.com/251616/how-to-move-the-unity-desktops-launcher-to-the-bottom-of-your-screen-on-ubuntu-16.04/
[10:43] <coz_> simpledat, not sure, I no longer run unity, but please stick around, someone will answer, and consider the time of day
[10:46] <simpledat> coz_: May I ask what do you use if not unity?
[10:47] <simpledat> Tin_man: Thanks
[10:48] <Tin_man> np
[10:48] <coz_> simpledat,  Mate
[10:51] <simpledat> coz_: Can you install Mate or Cinnamon on Ubuntu without facing any problems?
[10:52] <Ben64> yep
[10:54] <Tin_man> simpledat, many users have moved on to the new ubuntu 18.04 which is Gnome Desktop, here is a link which explains the changes >> https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-release-date-features/
[11:02] <simpledat> Tin_man: So Gnome is not the same as Unity? Because what I can tell they look very similar.
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> simpledat: unity is a gnome fork
[11:08] <pagios> hi, can i use certbot to generate 1 certifivzte and use it on multiple servers? (same domain different ips / hostnames?  )
[11:11] <Major_Wedgie> Hi everybody!
[11:11] <Tin_man> I like the new gnome, but take a bit of adjustment. I used unity for years.
[11:11] <coz_> Major_Wedgie,  hey guy
[11:20] <simpledat> Hi
[11:20] <coz_> hey
[11:20] <simpledat> Should I choice Install thirt-part software for graphics and Wi-Fi hardware and additional media formats?
[11:20] <coz_> simpledat,  during install?
[11:21] <simpledat> coz_: Yeah
[11:21] <coz_> simpledat, yes
[11:21] <coz_> if you need them
[11:21] <simpledat> coz_: How do i know if I need them?
[11:22] <coz_> simpledat,  well video playback, wifi drivers etc
[11:22] <coz_> simpledat,  I generally always install them
[11:22] <simpledat> coz_: I dont use wifi, cable only.
[11:23] <simpledat> coz_: Video playback? Do you mean that I need it if I have Geforce graphic card?
[11:23] <simpledat> Geforce Nvidia Graphic Card
[11:23] <coz_> simpledat,  its not a graphic driver but codecs and libraries for video playback I believe
[11:24] <simpledat> coz_: What do you mean by video playback?
[11:24] <coz_> simpledat, hold on
[11:24] <simpledat> sure
[11:27] <coz_> simpledat,  some are listed in this old posting   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:28] <coz_> simpledat,  it doesn't hurt to have them installed
[11:31] <coz_> simpledat,  someone herewill a better explanation, I ma jumping between channels, answering the phone, and it's 6:30 am %(
[11:32] <simpledat> coz_: Thank you
[11:34] <k_sze> Hello. If the partitions in an (old) gpt are not aligned to 4k, is there a tool that can realign the partitions? Assuming I don’t need that drive has UEFI stuff, but I have don’t need to boot from it at yhe moment.
[11:37] <simpledat> For some reason I cant use "su" to login in terminal as root. Do you know why?
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | simpledat
[11:39] <simpledat> lotuspsychje: I know about sudo. But I want to run terminal as root, then I need to do su.
[11:39] <simpledat> So you cant login as root in terminal?
[11:39] <coz_> I thought ubuntu disabled the su passwd, I may be mistaken
[11:51] <simpledat> coz_: Is there any way to enable it?
[11:52] <ducasse> simpledat: use 'sudo -i'
[11:53] <EriC^^> simpledat: i think gparted could help possibly
[11:53] <EriC^^> sorry mishighlight
[11:54] <EriC^^> k_sze[work]: ^
[11:54] <EriC^^> always backup your hdd before moving stuff around
[11:55] <simpledat> ducasse: Thanks that worked :)
[12:19] <Furai> What's the best way to change background for login dialog? I'm kind of fed up with the  plain purple already. :p
[12:19] <simpledat> Furai: right click on desktop, then change background.
[12:20] <simpledat> Furai: You will have options to both change desktop background and login background there.
[12:21] <Furai> Nah, you didn't get what I mean. I know how to change those.
[12:21] <Furai> What I want to change is the login dialog, that is there when you try to log in.
[12:22] <Furai> With input fields.
[12:22] <simpledat> oh sorry then I dont know
[12:22] <Furai> It seems that the only way to change that is to edit css files.
[12:22] <Furai> Anyway, thx. :)
[12:24] <SimonNL> does ubuntu have login window settings available from main menu Furai ?
[12:25] <SimonNL> if it does I'd have a ook in there
[12:25] <SimonNL> look*
[12:32] <limbo_> How do I switch windows while dragging something? (e.g. text, or a file.) Right now, I have to resize windows so that I can drop the thing I'm dragging into the other window. Alt+tab, super key (overview), and alt+` all do nothing while I'm dragg-n-dropping.
[12:33] <limbo_> ubuntu 18.10, using Gnome 3.
[12:39] <mainnet> Hey! I'm trying to import a self-signed cert to seahorse but I keep getting the unlock window, I know I typed my password right
[12:51] <_13LACK_> mainnet: The root account is disabled as default?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <mainnet> _13LACK_, nope. I tried entering my password - a non-root user password
[12:54] <_13LACK_> as default, root account is disabled on Ubuntu... my question is: Have you enabled root account or it's disables yet?
[12:57] <mainnet> _13LACK_, well, I can still login to it if that's what you are asking
[12:58] <_13LACK_> mainnet: i had the same trouble when i enabled the root account...
[12:58] <mainnet> _13LACK_, oh, how did you fix it?
[12:58] <_13LACK_> you non-root account have sudo permition?
[12:58] <mainnet> yep
[13:00] <_13LACK_> in my case, i had enabled root account.... so, when show the unlock window i type root password
[13:03] <rsevero> I have Xubuntu 18.04 and I can't make pen drives mount when I click on them in the file manager. I get a "Failed to mount... Not authorized to perform operation." pop up error.
[13:03] <rsevero> This is a fresh install. I believe that this issue is related to my LDAP authentication which I use for years, since Ubuntu 14.02 or even before. I have been using all releases (non-LTS also) of Ubuntu or Xubuntu and never had any problems with pen drive mounting. With 18.04 I can't make it work. I already know that without my LDAP configuration the mounting works fine. I also know that mounting in the command line as root works fine.
[13:03] <rsevero> My question is: how to I troubleshoot the pen drive mounting process started in the File Manager so I can figure what I need to change (in my LDAP login configuration or somewhere else)?
[13:05] <_13LACK_> rsevero: can you type the complete error menssage?
 Failed to mount "PENDRIVE_LABEL". Not authorized to perform operation.
[13:08] <_13LACK_> rsevero: do you have a domain? AD or Samba4?
[13:09] <rsevero> _13LACK_: No.
[13:10] <mainnet> _13LACK_, okay, i've tried in my other buntu and it succesfully imports but my internally hosted website doesn't rock a green lock!
[13:13] <_13LACK_> rsevero: paste the fdisk -l output, please
[13:15] <_13LACK_> mainnet: if a understand well, you have a HTTP server, corretc?
[13:15] <_13LACK_> correct*
[13:15] <mainnet> yep
[13:16] <rsevero> _13LACK_: Here is the relevant part (AFAIU): https://paste.ee/p/BdjTR Please let me know if you need more. But let me tell you that no pen drive mounts through File Manager. All of them mount on the command line as root and in my personal laptop so I don't think it's something related to the pen drive itself.
[13:28] <_13LACK_> rsevero: if you can mount pen drive as root so is a permition trouble.... see the permition on /media folder
 I had checked that before but just to be sure I just changed the owner of the /media folder to my user. The problem remains. I thiunk my problem is related to some new policy kit incantation (new from 18.04 perspective) that is incompatible with my LDAP login configuration.
[13:33] <geodb27> People : hi ! How can I get sieve_storage_ldap to work on a bionic machine ? I've intalled all I could find about dovecot that would suit my requirements (basically have a dovecot proxy to our actual imap server, and this part works just great).  Any ppa to add or something ?
[13:46] <_13LACK_> mainnet: did you try this tutorial? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-a-self-signed-ssl-certificate-for-apache-in-ubuntu-16-04
[13:48] <xebra> hi, is there any way to type for example e' and have it converted automatically to è? Without any other modifier key, just that
[13:52] <mainnet> _13LACK_, actually no, but I've actually done all that and my prblem is to import that to seahorse so that I can see my website rock a pretty lock icon lol :D
[13:57] <hexhaxtron> I'm using Programmer Dvorak as the keyboard layout. Can someone help me make accents work with the Right Alt?
[14:09] <rypervenche> hexhaxtron: Which accents?
[14:10] <sirensari_> is this bad performance for 2 nvme disks in raid 1 http://termbin.com/79xi
[14:11] <hexhaxtron> rypervenche, for example: ã or á
[14:12] <rypervenche> hexhaxtron: altgrave + ~, then press a
[14:12] <hexhaxtron> rypervenche, it doesn't work...
[14:12] <hexhaxtron> The only that works is á
[14:12] <hexhaxtron> All others don't work.
[14:12] <hexhaxtron> *only one
[14:13] <rypervenche> hexhaxtron: According to the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us file, that is how you do the dead tilde. You might not be using the correct keyboard layout then.
[14:13] <hexhaxtron> rypervenche, I'm using Programmer Dvorak.
[14:13] <hexhaxtron> I had the same problem with Arch Linux and I think it works properly with Plasma.
[14:14] <rypervenche> hexhaxtron: Yes, search for "programmer Dvorak" in that file.
[14:16] <OpenSorce> Running LXLE (Ubuntu 16.04) on an old point of sale machine. The touchscreen is on /dev/ttyS4 and I can get some output from it loading sudo inputattach -ham or -mtouch. I can even go through the calibration. It touches where I want but immediately slides up to the top of the screen. Wrong driver, I think. Touchpad is UstRS232 by TPK. Any suggestions?
[14:17] <talx> is there a minimal install for ubuntu 16.04
[14:17] <talx> ?
[14:17] <talx> I mean I don't want to use netinstall
[14:17] <jayjo> im unable to connect an apple keyboard to my ubuntu 18.10 machine after upgrading from 18.04, i've researched extensively and have errors when using `bluetoothctl` ... are there some extensions I may need to install?
[14:19] <rypervenche> talx: That's essentially what a minimal install is though. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[14:19] <rypervenche> talx: Or are you looking for a CD that has everything on it and doesn't need to use the Internet to download any packages?
[14:21] <OpenSorce> talx, Lubuntu, Xubuntu and LXLE are pretty small, light on the features and such. You can add anything else after install
[14:24] <Furai> SimonNL | does ubuntu have login window settings available from main menu Furai ? << main menu? What do you mean?
[14:25] <SimonNL> I meant what I ask there Furai
[14:26] <ramsub07> Hello, how do i update my kernel? I am trying to install nvidia modules and the drivers doesn't recognise the GPU on my laptop. Searching the root of my issue, I bumped into a post in nvidia community, that suggests updating the kernel as the solution, https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1031913/linux/driver-390-42-installation-failed-unable-to-load-the-nvidia-drm-/post/5250135/#5250135
[14:26] <SimonNL> or settings for login window in some other location
[14:26] <SimonNL> Furai: ^
[14:26] <ramsub07> could someone here please help me out on how to update the "system", (which I presume to be the kernels?)
[14:29] <Furai> SimonNL, not that I'm aware of anything. Not even in gnome tweaks.
[14:30] <leftyfb> ramsub07: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:31] <ramsub07> 16.04
[14:31] <leftyfb> ramsub07: sudo apt install nvidia-current
[14:31] <leftyfb> ramsub07: that will install your nvidia drivers
[14:36] <bodie_> I've got some launchers in .local/share/applications, but I don't see them in the app launcher
[14:37] <bodie_> Is there a guide on configuring this?
[14:37] <bodie_> Do I need to make them executable?
[14:37] <SimonNL> sorry then I don't know
[14:41] <xamithan> for them to show up in the bar bodie ?
[14:42] <ramsub07> leftyfb: that is installing nvidia 304, which is... probably 5yr+ older?
[14:42] <xamithan> If so.   Try nvidia-driver-390 or
[14:43] <ramsub07> the fact that "nvidia-current" is pointing out to 304 itself indicates that my laptop has obsolete software
[14:44] <ramsub07> leftyfb: trying that gets me back to square 1, which is the error i posted
[14:44] <leftyfb> ramsub07: please pastebin the output from running: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390
[14:45] <ramsub07> leftyfb: pastebinning wouldn't be an option as the laptop doesn't have an Xserver running, maybe imgur of the pic?
[14:46] <leftyfb> ramsub07: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:46] <leftyfb> or an imgur
[14:54] <bodie_> This is a support channel right?
[14:54] <tarzeau> yes
[14:55] <bodie_> So does anyone know of a guide on configuring application launchers for the latest version of Ubuntu?
[14:55] <ramsub07> leftyfb: it successfully installs, but i fail to see nvidia-smi showing any output
[14:55] <bodie_> I've got a bunch of launchers in .local/share/applications, but they're not showing up.
[14:56] <ramsub07> nvidia-smi says : "NVIDIA-SMI" has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running
[14:56] <leftyfb> ramsub07: is it running? Do you have it enabled?
[14:57] <leftyfb> ramsub07: why do you need this driver if you're not running an xserver?
[14:57] <ramsub07> leftyfb: lsmod | grep nvidia is throwing an empty output
[14:57] <leftyfb> ramsub07: did you reboot after installing the driver?
[15:00] <ramsub07> leftyfb: oops, haven't yet. will do now
[15:01] <ramsub07> leftyfb: perfect it works!
[15:01] <ramsub07> thank you
[15:03] <leftyfb> ramsub07: future reference: the HWE kernel is the latest one available in the official repos. At the moment for 16.04, it's, linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 which is kernel version <IP_ADDRESS>.64
[15:03] <ramsub07> yes, that was apparently my problem
[15:03] <ramsub07> but the one i had with my new laptop wasn't so old either, it was <IP_ADDRESS> (I guess?)
[15:04] <ramsub07> I did a apt upgrade and dist-upgrade, followed by restart and nvidia installation to solve this
[15:04] <ramsub07> presently, i'm on 4.15.0-42
[15:06] <merpnderp> ANyone know if this will run Ubuntu without issue? https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/xps-15/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop/dycwb1647h
[15:33] <jluc> Hello
[15:33] <jluc> i use ubuntu vanilla
[15:34] <jluc> is there a way to add separators in nautilus bookmarked folders left bar ?
[15:37] <coconut> Is nvidia G-sync supported at the moment?
[15:40] <xamithan> Sure
[15:41] <xamithan> You need to do some tweaks for it to work though,  like enable flipping,  make sure game supports it,  turn off compositors
[15:41] <xamithan> Oh and don't run windows mode
[15:41] <xamithan> *windowed
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> xamithan: I'm not sure it's quite that simple.
[15:42] <xamithan> Didn't say it was,  just said it was supported
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: I believe G-sync is available if you have installed the Nvidia proprieatary drivers, and have a nvidia graphics card that also support G-sync. Finally you will need to make sure you have a monitor that supports it as well. As far as game-play, make sure you are playing fullscreen, and you may need to disable some features of your window compositor to avoid glitchy output.
[15:46] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: when i play a game in windowed mode, it will go wrong?
[15:48] <xamithan> it won't sync at all
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Depends on how you define "wrong." It won't break you system, game performance may not be as good as when it is in full screen mode
[15:49] <xamithan> It just don't work in full screen mode
[15:49] <xamithan> er,  non full screen mode
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Gsync is optimized and designed to work with games running in full screen mode.
[15:52] <coconut> so... it will just give the same game capabilities on screen as  when there would not be any g-sync? (and without config changes needed before?)
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: I think you would better benefit from doing some research on the web. This forum is about supporting Ubuntu and its included features. You would be better served by a forum that specializes in Linux Gaming with nVidia.
[15:54] <coconut> ok :)
[15:54] <coconut> thank you pragmaticenigma, xamithan.
[16:08] <egyptian> hi .. i am sure i am using the wrong keywords in google but how do i know the date a package was installed? tryign to track down who/what installed something
[16:09] <xamithan> did you type "ubuntu check date package install"
[16:09] <ramsub07> Hello, I seem to have misplaced my ssh passphrase. At the time i created the pair, I had stored them in my ssh-add and didn't make it habitual enough to remember. Anyway I can recover that passphrase?
[16:10] <xamithan> You can try to brute force it.  But that isn't ubuntu related
[16:11] <legreffier> ramsub07: no way to reset it if you don't remember the original passphrase.
[16:14] <egyptian> xamithan: yes they all point to logs .. i do not want logs as the logs do not show any info
[16:14] <egyptian> doesnt dpkg have a db i can poke at?
[16:15] <xamithan> it does but not for install times
[16:18] <leftyfb> egyptian: /var/log/dpkg.log
[16:18] <leftyfb> egyptian: or /var/log/apt/history.log
[16:18] <leftyfb> egyptian: crossreference those with the apt list --installed
[16:19] <egyptian> leftyfb: yeah .. the package is not in either directory .. idid a grep on log*
[16:25] <infandum`> How can I set a theme for an application over x-forwarding ssh? I tried "GTK_THEME=Numix program" but I still get the default looking theme.
[16:25] <rypervenche> ramsub07: You're better off making new keys pairs.
[16:28] <greenEarth> How to checksum Brasero DVDs with commandline, with file ".checksum.md5" present on the disk?
[16:29] <LeoB> Hello, I am trying to find ubuntu-18.04-ppc64le.qcow2 on Ubuntu image severs, but I could no find it
[16:31] <infandum`> Also, does gnome-tweak-tool or any theme changing (without sudo) change the theme for the whole system or just the user?
[16:34] <leftyfb> infandum`: anything not using sudo is only going to be able to change things for the current user
[16:39] <infandum`> leftyfb: Fantastic
[16:39] <merpnderp> Anyone know why the Dell Precisions all ship with 16.04?
[16:39] <leftyfb> merpnderp: contact Dell
[17:13] <core7> I just added two hard drives (one nvme ssd and one hdd) on my machine and it wont boot - geives me a pcie bus error. severity=corrected
[17:39] <greenEarth> For backup purposes is better to store files with .tar or with .tar.bz2?
[17:39] <greenEarth> store -> archive
[17:39] <greenEarth> or compress
[17:40] <mutante> greenEarth: i dont see a disadvantage of compression
[17:40] <greenEarth> cpu time
[17:41] <mutante> ah ok, well then it depends on what you are short of.. disk space or CPU power
[17:43] <greenEarth> mutante, thanks
[17:59] <Nongrik> I bought a mini 1080p HDMI monitor, it's fine during boot but in the OS it's heavily purple tinted. I did some reading and it's probably YCbCr vs RGB output. For Raspbian you just add hdmi_pixel_encoding=(1 or 4) in the config file but I can't find anything on how to do set YCbCr or RGB in Ubuntu, man xrandr doesn't show me anything either, does anyone know how? Thank you,
[18:12] <Epx998> Is the release schedule for 2019 available?
[18:14] <MekApelsin> 19.04 is planned for april 18.
[18:16] <MekApelsin> @Epx998  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseSchedule
[18:17] <Epx998> Final release, but betas are available prior?
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> Epx998: The link MekApelsin sent has all that information in it
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> if it's not there, it hasn't been determined yet
[18:18] <MekApelsin> march 28th is the planned date for the beta
[18:20] <Epx998> It doesnt really show me what I am looking for, but looking at a mirror I see disco available, beta or whatever state it is in now
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> Epx998: you are probably seeing nightly builds
[18:21] <MekApelsin> you're probably looking for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/pending/ ?
[18:22] <Epx998>  pragmaticenigma: could be, I am looking to see what I can get ahead on with out GPU testing
[18:22] <MekApelsin> sorry, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:22] <Epx998> out/our
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> Epx998: That might be a good question to ask in the #ubuntu-dev channel
[18:24] <Epx998> yeah
[18:24] <Epx998> I always forget to join that channel ;P
[18:39] <alesan> hello
[18:40] <alesan> is there a better alternative to xsane, something that won't open 5 different windows on screen?
[18:40] <xamithan> I don't know what that is but it doesn't sound ubuntu related
[18:41] <alesan> if you do not know what that is, how can you say that?
[18:42] <ioria> alesan, do you want a simple scan utility ?
[18:42] <xamithan> well since you want an alternative,  it sounds like software,  and a recommendation for software at that
[18:42] <alesan> it's a program available on the ubuntu and I'd like to see if Ubunut has another program, that I can install with apt-get, to scan documents
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> xamithan: xsane is the equivalent to twain for windows.
[18:42] <alesan> ioria, not necessarily simple, something that is contained in a single window
[18:42] <ioria> alesan, simple-scan
[18:42] <alesan> pragmaticenigma, well, not really... I mean the sane backedn is like twain. xsane is just a graphical frontednd
[18:43] <alesan> ioria (5th house?) I'll try that
[18:43] <ioria> yep
[18:44] <mobutils> hmm... so apparently I accidently opened a file / saved the file from vscode on windows, rather than vscode within the wsl… now I can't delete the files from either windows, or wsl… how does one resolve?
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> mobutils: reboot, also, this isn't the correct channel for WSL support. This channel only supports Ubuntu running as its own instance
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> !wsl | mobutils
[18:46] <mobutils> oops, my bad. thanks.. ill find a more appropriate room.
[18:51] <mobutils> pragmaticenigma,  reboot worked thanks... VoIFs sucks apparently...
[19:17] <ub3g33k> Is there a specific room on freenode for Ubuntu on Linux on DeX?
[19:18] <ub3g33k> (Don't want to ping the wrong room w/questions)
[19:20] <mutante> !ask
[19:20] <ub3g33k> That was the question...
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | ub3g33k
[19:21] <mutante> ah, TIL :)
[19:22] <ub3g33k> thanks ubottu
[19:34] <Sander^hmm> How do I see all nicknames in the channel in xchat?
[19:35] <bprompt> Sander^hmm:    they'd be on a list on the right-hand-side usually
[19:36] <bprompt> Sander^hmm:    but you can always just do a /who #CHANNELNAME
[19:36] <Sander^hmm> bprompt, there's only a draggable column there
[19:38] <LilSussy1> guys my laptop shows webcam not mirrored in linux how can i fix it ?
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> Sander^hmm: XChat is no longer actively developed or maintained. Due to recent bugs in XChat, it is recommended you switch to HexChat which is a fork of XChat and is being actively worked on and maintained
[19:39] <SlidingHorn> LilSussy1: which application are you using for your webcam?
[19:39] <LilSussy1> cheese
[19:40] <LilSussy1> but its same at everywhere
[19:40] <LilSussy1> in chrome opera firefox
[19:40] <LilSussy1> skype
[19:40] <Sander^hmm> pragmaticenigma, i'll install that after I install a new kernel:)
[19:41] <Sander^hmm> Will apt-get dist-upgrade give me the mega upgrade of the kernel?
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> Sander^hmm: no
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> Sander^hmm: what version of Ubuntu are you currently on?
[19:42] <Sander^hmm> pragmaticenigma, it failed on prosessing openssh-server
[19:43] <Sander^hmm> Switching to hexchat:)
[19:44] <CoJaBo> So, I have a CIFS share mounted, and one particular file in that share, when read, returns random memory contents from the host and then segfaults the reading program with a write error.. how can I troubleshoot this?
[19:45] <SlidingHorn> LilSussy1: I don't know if there's a way to do it as a general setting, but in Cheese, click the "Effects" button and select "Flip"
[19:46] <babou_tunt> does anyone have experience with adding a second nic to plesk / ubuntu on AWS?
[19:46] <Sander^work> It looked like I installed the new kernel on first apt-get upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade, but everything failed on openssh-server
[19:46] <babou_tunt> I have an internal/external IP and network adapter added to the host
[19:47] <babou_tunt> but cant see it in the plesk CP
[19:47] <xamithan> did you add it in plesk ?
[19:47] <babou_tunt> idk how thats the issue
[19:47] <xamithan> actually nevermind,  I can't talk about non-ubuntu here
[19:48] <babou_tunt> do i need to add it in ubuntu first or does AWS automatically make ubuntu add it?
[19:49] <mutante> Sander^work: ? that should be unrelated things. how about installing only one upgrade at a time, the kernel by itself..or openssh-server by itself
[19:49] <mutante> also you would have to be more specific than "everything fails" please
[19:50] <Sander^work> mutante, apt-get upgrade didnt install the kernel, and went ok, apt-get dist-upgrade tried to install the kernel as a saw some depmod things there lots of whitespace.
[19:51] <Sander^work> As I saw*
[19:51] <mutante> Sander^work: ok. and it ended with an error?
[19:51] <Sander^work> now apt-get is failing all the time on: apt-get install openssh-server
[19:52] <mutante> Sander^work: what does it say why it fails?
[19:54] <Apachez> what is the propertiary drivers package named in ubuntu? the one you can through gui select as additional drivers?
[19:54] <xamithan> What kind of propertiary drivers,  there is quite a few
[19:55] <xamithan> unless you mean restricted-extras ?
[19:55] <Sander^work> mutante, https://pastebin.com/hsykqfE5
[19:55] <Apachez> xamithan: speaking of which where did "Additional drivers" go in 18.10 ?
[19:56] <mutante> Sander^work: oh.  /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 90: Bad confi...gn  <_ that looks like a syntax error
[19:56] <mutante> Sander^work: did you manually have to edit something in sshd_config in the past?
[19:57] <ioria> Apachez, software-properties-gtk  (Software & Updates)
[19:57] <mutante> Sander^work: also: openssh-server is already the newest version . so this is not about upgrading it, it's about restarting it
[19:58] <xamithan> Yeah what ioria said
[19:59] <mutante> Sander^work: you should look at that line number 90 in there closely
[20:00] <Sander^work> mutante, I think apt-get failed becouse apt-get dosnt know how to upgrade the kernel without rebooting.
[20:01] <mutante> Sander^work: no, apt-get was fine. what fails is restarting the service after the upgrade because there is some mistake in the config file
[20:01] <mutante> Sander^work: paste line 90 of sshd_config ?
[20:01] <Apachez> ioria: there it is, thanks!
[20:02] <ioria> Apachez, ok
[20:02] <mutante> Sander^work: if you try to just start sshd now, without doing any package upgrades, you would see the same issue
[20:03] <ioria> a trusty kernel with a xenial sshd .... never tried
[20:05] <Sander^work> mutante, https://pastebin.com/YrSGpGDy
[20:06] <Sander^work> mutante, I heard some roumours to a mega upgrade of the kernel.
[20:11] <mutante> Sander^work: it's not related to the kernel. it's about sshd config options. i think "UsePAM yes" is the problem and not supported anymore. and that matches the line 90. so i guess if you comment that you can start sshd and it all goes away
[20:15] <ioria> Sander^work, and what kernel  is in use ?
[20:19] <Sander^work> mutante, ioria: upgraded from 4.4.0-116-generic to 4.4.0-140-generic and having 3.13.0-141-generic as an option too.
[20:19] <ntd> nacc, ping
[20:19] <ioria> Sander^work,  uname -r
[20:20] <Sander^work> ioria, 4.4.0-116-generic
[20:20] <ioria> Sander^work,  ls /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:22] <Sander^work> ioria, http://termbin.com/igmeu
[20:22] <Sander^work> mutante,
[20:23] <ioria> Sander^work,  dpkg -l | grep -vE '^ii|^rc' | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:24] <mutante> i dont understand why you talk about kernel version for an issue "cant start sshd" but ok
[20:25] <Sander^work> ioria, mutante: http://termbin.com/8ryd
[20:26] <Sander^work> mutante, ioria sorry, I forgot to say that I fixed it with commenting out two lines of ssh config
[20:26] <mutante> Sander^work: ok:) glad it works
[20:26] <Sander^work> How can I avoid to reboot?
[20:27] <ioria> Sander^work,  ah, ok i was wondering why you are on xenial and need to autoremove a trusty kernel
[20:27] <mutante> Sander^work: you can only wait to find the best time for it , i 'm afraid
[20:27] <ioria> Sander^work,  xenial has live-patch if you subsribe
[20:31] <CarlFK> how can I get a list of "dev: IPs"   this is close: ip a|grep "inet "
[20:32] <me1t> hey all, any idea why my lubuntu 18.04 install would not allow me to enable the Trash Can? http://prntscr.com/lw76il
[20:34] <Sander^work> ioria, how do I subscribe to the live-patch?
[20:34] <Sander^work> ioria, I bet its becouse the keep atleast one 3.x kernel around for safety
[20:34] <ioria> Sander^work,  https://www.ubuntu.com/livepatch
[20:34] <Sander^work> they*
[20:41] <nacc> ntd: pong
[20:42] <Sander^work> how do I upgrade to 18.04?
[20:42] <Sander^work> is it just do_upgrade ?
[20:42] <ntd> nacc, any progress re IIO
[20:45] <nacc> ntd: not worked on it at all, have a lot of other stuff going
[20:51] <CarlFK> etc/profile.d stuff runs when a user logs in.  before that, I see "Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS $hostname tty1"  - what puts that there?  (so I can add to it)
[20:52] <CarlFK> I'd like to be able to figure out the IP without having to type anything
[20:52] <Butterfly^> https://i.imgur.com/WO1iAuk.png
[20:52] <MekApelsin> CarlFK motd
[20:52] <hggdh> Butterfly^: ?
[20:53] <nacc> CarlFK: ... 10.04.1 ??
[20:53] <SlidingHorn> CarlFK: Also, 10.04 has been !eol for years now.  You'll want to upgrade that.
[20:53] <CarlFK> nacc: opps.  18...
[20:53] <CarlFK> MekApelsin: motd gets displayed after login
[20:55] <rypervenche> CarlFK: You could find out by doing a recursive search in /etc: grep -R LTS /et
[21:09] <nacc> CarlFK: ack just sanity checking :)
[21:17] <Sander^work> Is kernel patches that experimental? Why do I need an ubuntu one account for it?
[21:19] <Sander^work> Maybe its a security perspective to have web-access to upgrades:)
[21:20] <willdeberry> hello all. was doing some research about creating my own overlay for OnBoard onscreen keyboard. was curious if there was a specific IRC channel to ask questions or if Ask a Question via launchpad was the most direct?
[21:20] <Sander^work> I mean: ubuntu one account for automaticly upgrading the kernel:)
[21:24] <blaster> How come it's when I'm writing good code and being productive my OS wants to freeze?
[21:25] <Sander^work> is it possible to log into a my own server with an ubuntu one account password to manage auto upgrades of kernels?
[21:26] <leftyfb> !details | blaster
[21:28] <Sander^work> leftyfb, I want to manage kernel upgrades buy going to a behind the firewall local webadress
[21:29] <leftyfb> Sander^work: why?
[21:29] <Sven_vB> earlier I accidentially double-clicked a huge image file, and eog tried to load it. I had to force two OOM kills, hitting firefox and Xorg. is there an easy way to just pause (e.g. SIGSTOP) any program that tries to allocate more than 1/4 of my RAM, so I can get a few extra seconds to decide whether I want that?
[21:29] <Sander^work> leftyfb, Its a security consern, that no viruses traps the process
[21:31] <Sven_vB> or maybe as soon as X becomes to sluggish to allow me switch to a text terminal, just kill anything recent (e.g. not Xorg) that hogs much RAM?
[21:32] <nacc> Sven_vB: why wouldn't you have just killed eog?
[21:32] <nacc> Sven_vB: you can look into cgroups and their related configuration
[21:32] <nacc> Sven_vB: it's not exactly trivial in a general way, but there are packages that try to help (e.g., cgclassify, cgrulesengd)
[21:33] <Sven_vB> nacc, I tried. by the time I realized eog wouldn't stop its havoc, I desperately hit my xkill hotkey a few times, but no luck. tried to change to a text terminal, no luck. ran SSH with killall eog command in a loop on another machine, but all just timeout in banner exchange.
[21:35] <Sven_vB> I hope there's a more general approach than trying to find all potential launch methods for all potentially insane programs
[21:35] <Sven_vB> (and ulimiting each)
[21:35] <jmgb4> Maybe get more ram?
[21:36] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, what about making it easier to set up an email server, to automaticly get upgrades messages by email?
[21:36] <Sven_vB> jmgb4, thanks for trying to help. :)
[21:36] <Sven_vB> nacc, I'll have a look at them, thanks
[21:37] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: What about dis-associating the image file from being auto opened by a defined application?
[21:38] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, yeah, that would be one launch method for one program, in case I really have to limit them individually.
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: One other thought, do you have image preview enabled for the file manager?
[21:38] <Sander^work> The more channels auto-upgrade-kernel-patches is in, the more secure:)
[21:39] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, nope
[21:39] <leftyfb> Sander^work: look at apticron (for emails about available upgrades)
[21:46] <Sander^work> leftyfb, I wish apticron was on by default when ubuntu knows my email, is it hard to configure?
[21:47] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, make sure no-one can eavesdrop on your mail to see which patches you haven't yet installed
[21:47] <Sander^work> leftyfb, I remember I got an ubuntu one account long time ago.
[21:53] <Sander^work> leftyfb, Sven_vB: I wish ubuntu one pushed they're functionality to every desktop:)
[21:54] <Sander^work> *pushed codechanges of they're functionality
[21:54] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, nah, if you like remote interference, please opt-in.
[21:54] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, explain?
[21:55] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, I'm sure there are several commercial subscriptions for you having updates pushed to your machine. I for one prefer to decide the schedule on my own.
[21:55] <r4u1> hi
[21:56] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, it's not even canonicals business how many machines I have and when they're up.
[21:56] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, exactly, so a peer to peer version of ubuntu one, I do want:)
[21:57] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, go ahead and make one. should be easy.
[21:57] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, what are the steps?
[21:57] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, you can use debmirror to check for updates, and gnunet for the distribution part.
[21:57] <Sander^work> if you do want to elaborate:)
[21:58] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, how does debmirror and gnunet work?
[21:59] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, you probably don't even need peer-to-peer. just an command & control channel where you notify about updates becoming available on your mirror, then all your clients can hit it in order of their subscription rank.
[22:01] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, If I do want to make it for everyone, then I was thinking a web interface to it:)
[22:01] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, for debmirror, refer to its man page, or run https://github.com/mk-pmb/debmirror-easy in a cron job. you can use a blog, RSS, both, or whatever web tech you like as a command & control channel.
[22:02] <xdruppi> why when i run software update nothing shows up, but when i run apt update some stuff can be updated, which should i trust?
[22:02] <Sven_vB> there's even commercial botnet software available with web interface as default. :P
[22:04] <CyNote> ubuntuuuuuuuuuu
[22:05] <leftyfb> CyNote: can we help you with something? This is a support channel
[22:05] <CyNote> I know :) I'm just glad I found this network.
[22:12] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, Wonder if it could work that everyone that gave ubuntu one got they're own irc channel?
[22:13] <Sander^work> *Gave ubuntu one they're email
[22:15] <Sander^work> If ubuntu goes from bottom to top of being secure:)
[22:16] <pragmaticenigma> xdruppi: what command are you using when running "apt" ?
[22:16] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, email is way too slow and insecure as an update notification channel
[22:17] <Sven_vB> also too verbose
[22:17] <xdruppi> pragmaticenigma: "sudo apt update"... result shows a few upgradable packages, but update software doesn't
[22:18] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, if you want a web interface for stuff, why not use that as the update channel as well? you could provide a web socket that announces which versions of which packages have just become available. if the client has them installed, it can immediately start updating.
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> xdruppi: sudo apt update, doesn't show upgradable packages. It triggers a refresh of apt's local lists of software version to determine what can be upgraded. "sudo apt upgrade" is what will return a list of packages having an update to install
[22:19] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, just please make very sure they update from _your_ mirror if you make them update all at the same time.
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Sounds like a process that is reinventing a wheel
[22:20] <xdruppi> pragmaticenigma: i know... i am saying when i run apt show --upgradable there's stuff that can be upgraded, i've already told you the same thing twice, software updater doesn't shot anything
[22:20] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, yeah. well, if Sander^work believes there's a need, why not.
[22:20] <pragmaticenigma> xdruppi: I'm taking what you say, very litterally... so if you say I run "sudo apt update" then I'm going to assume that's all you ran
[22:21] <xdruppi> pragmaticenigma: ok sorry for being rude though, im just confused about this but find no answer on internet
[22:22] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, how do I know if I should reboot for a new release?
[22:23] <Sander^work> pragmaticenigma, I belive there's a need for cleansing in the shortest way:)
[22:23] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, afaik packages that want a reboot will write their names in /var/run/reboot-required
[22:23] <Sander^work> pragmaticenigma, ubuntu one erns money for more than 3 machines:)
[22:23] <pragmaticenigma> xdruppi: The difference could be in what is "upgradable" ... apt and by extension the update software application, don't upgrade packages with new versions. It is also possible the packages in question have been locked to a specific version by a dependency or configuariton.
[22:24] <Sander^work> cat /var/run/reboot-required: *** System restart required ***
[22:24] <Sander^work> Sven_vB,
[22:24] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, well ok then maybe not with names.
[22:25] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, is there a /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs ?
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> xdruppi: the upgradeable argument doesn't do anything more than compare version numbers. It doesn't validate that the local machine has other reasons for holding back a version. Another thing to consider is if you have extra PPAs active in your install. There are a lot of potential explanations, all are related to how you have setup your local machine.
[22:27] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, afaik these files are updated only after the package update, so it's probably not suitable for predicting.
[22:29] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, https://pastebin.com/kd4gMbJH
[22:30] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, those should be the names of packages who need a reboot to become fully updated. the list should become empty on next reboot.
[22:30] <jayjo> i am struggling to debug a bluetooth keyboard that is not pairing. I am using bluetoothctl, is there a way to enable more verbose logging?
[22:31] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, I canceled "do-release-upgrade" after it said it startd removing packages and it could take hours.
[22:31] <jayjo> also is there a way to get information on a device that shows up during a scan? I see many devices, I'd like to inspect them
[22:31] <Sander^work> started*
[22:31] <Sander^work> and it says it could take hours*
[22:31] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, afaik packages won't remove their name from the list. they only add it when they discover they need a reboot.
[22:32] <smk> o/
[22:32] <smk> I have an issue with monolithic kernel when swapping my hdd between systems
[22:32] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, maybe even some package remove trigger can't apply until next reboot.
[22:33] <smk> previously I used to be able to nuke /lib/udev/yadayada files and the net network port would fix up upon reboot
[22:33] <smk> these files are now renamed and dont seem to rewrite upon removal and rebooting
[22:35] <smk> is there a new ifupdown or whatever command to reconfig/recognize new network ports
[22:35] <smk> lack of ifconfig freaks me out
[22:35] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, I didnt follow:)
[22:35] <Sander^work> package remove?
[22:37] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, when you uninstall proprietary drivers there may be stuff lingering around, or a device feature might stay enabled because it has no "disable", just "enable" and resets on boot. in that case a reboot is required to complete the change.
[22:39] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, Ah, I see:)
[22:40] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, question is how I can get a trigger on that file then:)
[22:40] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, afaik it's only updated by the package management triggers. so you run apt upgrade and then check the file.
[22:44] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, which apt upgrade command?
[22:44] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, any
[22:45] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, in your scenario, for the packages that your websocket announced they had updates, and are installed.
[22:59] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, Do you know how I install a proper email server?
[23:01] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, do you know which socket file is "packages available for upgrade"?
[23:03] <Sander^work> Sven_vB, I guess encrypted socket is a must?:)
[23:09] <Sven_vB> Sander^work, no idea
[23:36] <FurretUber> Hi, I tried to use the Mini ISOs and they are not booting, I noticed the FAT12 partition on them is empty
[23:39] <FurretUber> Shouldn't it have EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI?
[23:42] <Kyros> While the minimal iso image is handy, it isn't useful for installing on UEFI-based systems that you want to run in UEFI mode. The mini iso lacks the proper files for booting the computer in UEFI mode. Thus, the computer will boot in BIOS compatibility mode, and the installation will be in BIOS mode.
[23:43] <FurretUber> I ask because it works in UEFI when using QEMU, but fails on a physical machine. It has a relatively enormous FAT12 partition (it's 1/6 of Trusty ISO size) and has no files. As it should only require a simple bootloader with less than 1 MB to call the grub from the other partition, I think its intended use went wrong by the lack of the file
[23:45] <FurretUber> I think it's this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1429030
[23:49] <RobBurke> hello all. I suspect my swap partition not properly set up, because 1) it is never used, 2) my system crashes the time the maximum of RAM is used and 3) my startup being unusual slow. How should I debug that?
[23:59] <RobBurke> what is actually the equivalent to /var/log/syslog in other distributions?  I'm used to monitor that in my ubuntu installs but cannot find it in, say, manjaro
[23:59] <Bashing-om> RobBurke: /etc/fstab file sane and agrees with ' sudo blkid ' ?


[02:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:10] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/10/ubuntu-22-04-daily-builds/
[10:15] <TJ-> warning: in #ubuntu Kolusion is the abusive user from recent days that has had to be banned from #networking and #linux
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> kk tnx TJ-
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> first bug is a fact! bug #1947800
[11:39] <tomreyn> errors.ubuntu.com is receiving multiple reports per minute on this.
[11:40] <tomreyn> all of which are about: 2.20.11-0ubuntu70	Ubuntu 21.10	amd64
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> dmesg needs a sudo here now
[11:56] <TJ-> I seem to recall that's a Debian thing as well
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> dmesg: lezen van kernelbuffer is mislukt: Actie is niet toegestaan
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> i was reading article before they would tighten dmesg security more
[12:02] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: re apport: any clues in "journalctl -u apport.service"
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> no, but i had this earlier; [24624.050234] tracker-miner-f[2493]: segfault at 8 ip 00007f3fb48f5b97 sp 00007ffed74b9e90 error 4 in libtracker-sparql-3.0.so.0.102.0[7f3fb48e5000+6c000]
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> then got the bug report window