 Lol
 You think by changing topic it will get done faster ?!?
[10:08] <clivejo> mamarley: so how did the FW5.22 installation go?
[10:09] <mamarley> clivejo: It went fine.  The systems seems to function fine.  I launched several applications and played around with them without any apparent problems.
[10:09] <mamarley> Good job :)
[10:10] <clivejo> Im still fighting with this router
[10:10] <clivejo> stopped working over night
[10:12] <clivejo> I was using it on my laptop fine last night, but when my phone connects it says internet not connected and disconnects
[10:13] <clivejo> how do you remove just one icon from the panel?
[10:14] <clivejo> I keep dragging and dropping the  browser and creating a permanant shortcut
[10:15] <mamarley> The way with which I am familiar is to unlock the panel, mouse over the undesired icon, and click the "X" on the popup that appears.
[10:17] <clivejo> ah
[10:17] <clivejo> have to click the hamburger menu and put it into edit mode
[10:18] <soee> mamarley: activities work fine on 5.22 ?
[10:18] <clivejo> LOL Ive removed the entire panel numberous time to get rid of it!
[10:18] <mamarley> soee: I don't use activities and don't know how to test them.
[10:18] <soee> clivejo: ... :D
[10:20] <clivejo> looks like the networkmanager-qt got some movement
[10:22] <clivejo> patch has made it into yakkety
[10:24] <mamarley> Is there anything else to be done before FW5.22 can be backported to Xenial?
[10:26] <clivejo> mamarley: there are some major changes to the way things are structured
[10:26] <mamarley> Between 5.21 and 5.22?
[10:26] <clivejo> It looks like FW and Plasma will have to be shipped together otherwise there will be major breakage
[10:26] <clivejo> KDE have moved stuff about
[10:27] <mamarley> Ah, I see where you rebuilt Plasma in the staging-frameworks PPA too.  I didn't notice that when I upgraded the VM.
[10:27] <clivejo> split packages up, new ones going into FW
[10:28] <mamarley> Oh wait, I was actually looking at staging-plasma.
[10:28] <clivejo> I havent rebuilt Plasma on FW5.22
[10:28] <clivejo> there was a release about kwallet needing to be respun due to a regression
[10:29] <clivejo> Im basically waiting on that (i cant find the respun tarball)
[10:29] <mamarley> Yeah, sorry, I was looking at staging-plasma, not staging-frameworks.  Clicked the wrong link.
[10:30] <clivejo> oh
[10:30] <clivejo> they have named it the same!
[10:31] <clivejo> I was looking for kwallet v5.22.0-rc2
[10:31] <clivejo> duh!
[10:31] <sitter> tarball names do not change until tarballs go public
[10:31] <clivejo> ah, I didnt know that!
[10:32] <clivejo> thanks sitter
[10:32] <clivejo> sitter: how is Jon?
[10:32] <clivejo> he back to work?
[10:38] <sitter> clivejo: still alive ^^
[10:38] <clivejo> sore I bet
[10:40] <clivejo> sitter: whats going on with translations, are they being shipped with the actual packages now?
[10:44] <soee> Italian Military to Save Up to 29 Million Euro by Migrating to LibreOffice :)
[10:47] <sitter> clivejo: frameworks/plasma always shipped translations in the package
[10:47] <sitter> I do not have the faintest idea why apps doesn't
[10:48] <clivejo> very strange why they shipping them in two packages
[11:28] <soee> bleh, Nextbuttons still does not work in installer
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:04] <sitter> wgrant: FYI archive.ubuntu has /ubuntu/ ad infinitum http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ :)
[12:07] <sitter> wgrant: [14:06] <bshah> after http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ ubuntu disappears
[12:07] <bshah> xD
[12:08] <sitter> I find it suspicious that you actually tried that :P
[12:08] <bshah> and then it have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/Archive-Update-in-Progress-ubuntu-economy
[12:08] <bshah> which have 0
[12:08] <bshah> xD
[12:09] <sitter> that's a transient file I think, 404s now
[12:09] <bshah> no.. is crazy..
[12:10] <bshah> shows up once and gives 404 other times
[12:10] <bshah> :P
[12:23] <mgraesslin> hey, did you disable drkonqi in favor of apport in the 16.04 release?
[12:30] <acheron88> That's a shame :( http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2016/kubuntu-farewell-my-friends/
[12:34] <BluesKaj> clivejo:  is there a fix for activities in plasma 5.6.3 ,? I had to revert to 5.5.5
 Anyone using YY and plasma 5.6.3 done a system upgrade today?
[13:41] <soee> mamarley: ^ ?
[13:42] <mamarley> clivejo: Yeah, I upgraded earlier this morning on Yakkety with both FW5.22 and Plasma 5.6.3.
 I think I had a kernel upgrade and I'm not able to get login screen
[13:43] <soee> Cliv what kernel are you running now ? 4.6 ?
[13:43] <mamarley> Hmm, let me try it again.
[13:45] <mamarley> Oops, I just remembered that I can't remotely access the laptop with the VM due to a network configuration thing I was testing.  It will have to wait until later, sorry.
 Yup seems to be the kernel
[13:45] <clivejo> soee:  on 4.4.0-21-generic now, but wont load Nvidia driver in 4.4.0-22-generic
[13:46] <mamarley> clivejo: Try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver?  Perhaps it just didn't get compiled for 4.4.0-22 for some reason.
[13:47] <soee> well 4.4.0-22 works fine for me on Xenial with latest nvidia driver
[13:49] <clivejo> removing
[13:50] <clivejo> going for reboot
 This is something more serious
[14:05] <soee> oh ?
 Removed nvidia driver
 And reinstalled
 Can't build the driver
[14:06] <soee> what?
[14:06] <mamarley> Which driver version?  What error was made?
 And I removed the one for .21
 So I cant get into my desktop now
[14:07] <acheron88> 361.42 builds OK here on kernel 4.4.0-22
 I noticed a GCC update
 Kernel package headers not supported
[14:11] <mamarley> acheron88: Are you on Xenial or Yakkety?
[14:14] <acheron88> mamarley: xenial, so toolchain may be different clive's thinking upon it
 This is yakkety
[14:14] <mamarley> Yeah, that's probably it.  -22 is not a major kernel upgrade, so I would be surprised if it broke NVIDIA compilation.
[14:14] <mamarley> I did not see the problem because, of course, my VM does not have an NVIDIA graphics card.
[14:15] <acheron88> I hesitating over yakkety upgrade ATM
 I'm fed up. Not having a good day today
[14:16] <acheron88> Have a Nvidia card here as well, so may be a consideration
[14:17] <acheron88> may have to try in a VM/chroot to see, if it will build in those
 Router is fecked so have to rely on mobile data which is pathetic here
[14:29] <soee> CLiv new router is not an option?
[14:30]  * mamarley would recommend something on which OpenWRT/LEDE could be installed.
 I'm in middle of no where. Things have to be ordered and mailed out
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/O9zUJq7M/file_20.jpg
[14:50] <mamarley> Yeah, definitely looks to be toolchain-related.
[14:52]  * mamarley wonders if it might be a good idea to bring KF5/Plasma/etc. to Xenial first for a while until a little farther along in the development process when this sort of thing is less likely to happen.
[14:52] <mamarley> It would facilitate easier and more thorough testing.
[14:55] <soee> 340 driver version, so old ?
[14:55] <mamarley> Maybe he has a 8xx0/9xx0 card?
 Sorry guys. Running out of patients with this. I'll be out of action for a bit until I get this sorted out
[15:21]  * mamarley slaps clivejo's router around a bit with a large trout.
 Yeah just the prefect storm. Cant fix it without a decent connection to down the packages
 BTW can some report this to ubuntu-devel about the errors compiling drivers
[15:27] <acheron88> perhaps try going back to nouveau as a stopgap?
 I've tried. Can't get sddm to start
[15:29] <acheron88> kwin/plasma runs OK here with that, albeit a bit laggy
 Just black screen
[15:29] <acheron88> ummmm...
 Just having a bad day!
[15:34] <acheron88> just seeing if I can get it to compile on yak's toolchain
[15:42] <acheron88> clivejo: I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/16364083/
[15:49] <BluesKaj> my network-manager widget no longer loads the icon or the associated VPN list, I canopen the nm-connection-editor but the context menu to make a connection isn't loading with right click,....I have this huge error message popup that starts with ERROR loading QML file ....
[15:50] <BluesKaj> wonder if anyone else has this issue
[15:56] <acheron88> someone else said they had issues configuring vpn with that?
[15:58] <acheron88> not sure if same issue though...
[16:25] <acheron88> clivejo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1574982
[16:31] <murthy> sgclark: Just saw your post? whats happening?
 So if I install that updated package gcc-defaults I should be able to compile kernel modules again?
[16:53] <soee> that i do not know
 *clivejo shakes a trout at soee*
[16:58] <acheron88> clivejo: trying to get the gist of that, and think it could be new patched kernel from the kernel team that is needed?
 Looks like a setting needs to be passed to compiler
[17:03] <acheron88> yes, sounds like that would fix in short term. While new kernel with revised headers is the more permanent fix?
[17:16] <acheron88> clivejo: adding 'EXTRA_CFLAGS += -fno-pie -fno-stack-protector' to /usr/src/nvidia-340-340.96/nvidia-modules-common.mk after line 40 seems to fix compile in a chroot here
[17:17] <acheron88> then do 'dkms build nvidia-340/340.96 -k 4.4.0-21-generic'
[17:17] <acheron88> and 'dkms install nvidia-340/340.96 -k 4.4.0-21-generic'
 I've no data plan left to download the driver again
[17:18] <acheron88> is it not in your apt cache?
 Nope
 And even 52mb on 2g is like watching paint dry
 *clivejo throws router out the window*
[17:21] <acheron88> when I tried in chroot it used packages - libcuda1-340 nvidia-340 nvidia-opencl-icd-340
[17:22] <acheron88> I see them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ of my chroot still
 :)
 It built the module
 How do I make the system install it?!?
[17:29] <acheron88> should auto install with dkms
[17:29] <acheron88> if not, then those 2 dkms commands earlier will do
 Oooooo
 That looks better
 Fingers crossed
[17:32] <acheron88> may build. big question is does it load and work on boot though
 Nope driver won't load
 Still blank screen
[17:32] <acheron88> rebooted?
 Yup
[17:33] <acheron88> after a 'update-initramfs -u -k all'
[17:34] <acheron88> may need that ^^^
[17:35] <acheron88> then reboot
[17:36] <acheron88> whenever I've had to rebuild the nvidia driver for some reason
[17:36] <acheron88> I always do the
[17:36] <acheron88> dkms build
[17:36] <acheron88> dkms install
[17:37] <acheron88> update-initramfs
[17:37] <acheron88> then reboot
[17:37] <acheron88> If it doesn't work after that, it fubar in some other way
 See the nvidia installer is there any way to hack it to add the extra flags
[17:47] <acheron88> the one invoked by dpkg in the debs? or the binary .run one from nvidia's site?
 .run
 I have an old driver in a backup folder
[17:48] <acheron88> you can run the nvidia website one as extract only, then hack the nvidia module code and run the installer from the extracted folder I think
 You happen to know how to extract it?
[17:49] <acheron88> make it executable and run with a flag I think? 2 secs
 Sorry everything is so slow on my phone
[17:51] <acheron88> run the .bin file from command line with '--extract-only' flag
[17:54] <acheron88> should give you a 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.96' folder with and executable called 'nvidia-installer' in that
[17:54] <acheron88> and the mudule code to add the compiler flags to in a 'kernel' subfolder
[17:56] <acheron88> I've only had variable luck with that method in the past though, so good luck if you try it
[17:56] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  so the kernel module for the nvidia 340 is corrupted then. I got an error message to that effect earlier whe i was trying to install it on 16.10
[17:58] <acheron88> not corrupted, but doesn't work well with the GCC/toolchain and kernel headers currently in yakkety I think?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> yeah this kerenel, 4.4.0-22-generic
 Can't get -21 or -22 to work
 It compiles the modules with no errors
 But just a blank screen
 It should flash the nvidia logo for like a second
[18:00] <BluesKaj> I have to use nouveau with Xrender backend , OpenGL just cause allkinds of problems
 Before dropping into plasma login screen
[18:00] <acheron88> Yep, compiling and installing is one thing. Working on runtime is another completely
 Shame I purged the working one for -21
[18:02] <acheron88> I was pondering whether to risk yakkety. Now I know to avoid on this Nvidia machine for a bit
[18:02] <BluesKaj> and NM widget errors out inwith some QML not loadinhg message
 Looks like I'll be out of action for a few days!
[18:03] <BluesKaj>  I had the same nvidia problems yesterday with 16.04
[18:04] <mamarley> The problem experience by clivejo is caused by the gcc in Yakkety and therefore does not affect Xenial.  You probably had some other problem.
[18:04] <KurousagiMK2> linux (4.4.0-22.39) buid witch gcc-5 (5.3.1-14ubuntu2)... in YY gcc-5 (5.3.1-19ubuntu1) with --enable-default-pie.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> the 340 driver is getting long in the tooth anyway...may need to invest in a better gpu if this keeps up
[18:05] <acheron88> KurousagiMK2: is that a fixed -22 build?
[18:07] <BluesKaj> I should have done a clean install of Xenial instead of just installing to / and setting the mountpoint for /home when I regressed from Yakkety
[18:07] <acheron88> oh. no.
[18:07] <BluesKaj> yeah
[18:09] <BluesKaj> but i did  totally clean Yakkety install this morning so at least nouveau works ok with Xrender
[18:11] <KurousagiMK2> try kernel 4.6-rc7 for YY from this ppa https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[18:11] <acheron88> BluesKaj: yes, I did a cleanup with a fresh install of xenial on this machine a couple of weeks ago, and nouveau works well enough if you don't want OpenGL fancy stuff
[18:13] <sick_rimmit> o/
[18:29] <BluesKaj> KurousagiMK2:  does the kernal work ok for you
[18:31] <KurousagiMK2> on YY yes.
[18:44] <acheron88> aha: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/kernel-ppa/mirror/unstable.git/commit/?id=c1613c321d28bf3f180e3b34ed1c82b4f7d90503
[18:45] <acheron88> and nvidia module builds, loads and runs to sddm login with that?
[18:51] <KurousagiMK2> should, bun for nvidia-graphics-drivers-364 need patch to add support for Linux 4.6. https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6403042/+listing-archive-extra
[19:10] <valorie> hello folks, I've been called to my dad's bedside - taking my travel computer, but the wifi is awful there so no irc. I should have telegram, but unknown whether I'll even open the laptop there
[19:10] <valorie> ttyl
[19:14] <ovidiuflorin> yofel clivejo so I take it that the SRU for the networkmanager-qt went through?
[19:14] <ovidiuflorin> I see the bug is fixed released
[19:19] <soee> clivejo: has bad day
[19:19] <soee> his router is dying and system not working :)
[19:21] <mamarley> That's why I suggested that it might be a good idea to package the new stuff for Xenial for a while until Yakkety has time to become more stable.
[19:42] <soee> mamarley: yup but usual way to do stuff is current -> previous
[19:43] <mamarley> But that won't work if problems with the system prevent packagers from packaging and testers from testing.


[00:00] <steven_> Unity seems to work good--will Ubun tu go in a different direction
[00:00] <rmg51> no
[00:00] <steven_> ok
[00:00] <rmg51> Unity is here to stay
[00:01] <rmg51> I don't use it, but it isn't going anywhere
[00:02] <steven_> I'm retired but want to get back into design--lots has changed within the last ten years
[00:02] <rmg51> have fun
[00:03] <steven_> PDF seems to be an equalizer in the graphic field
[00:04] <steven_> Thanks for chatting with me--feel a little better about Ubuntu
[00:04] <rmg51> :-D
[04:43] <wyattderp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9-VDN__jig   I post this.
[09:29] <rmg51> Morning
[12:19] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[16:02] <HowdyDoody> G'mornin'