[00:12] <AlanBell> MrChrisDruif: linked here http://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> Great =)
[14:46] <MrChrisDruif> Is the design team just been around since mid November?
[14:46] <CrazyThinker> Why is the default launcher icon size so big?
[14:56] <nigelb> MrChrisDruif: Nope. They've been around since at least before Lucid.
[14:56] <nigelb> But this channel has only been around post-UDS.
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> "Revision 1 as of 2011-11-16 15:37:07"
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> That's from the wiki page
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> Post which UDS? ;-)
[14:59] <nigelb> The last one.
[14:59] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh, UDS-P
[15:00] <nigelb> Right. Sorry.
[15:01] <MrChrisDruif> It's alright =)
[17:37] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: there was a session at UDS-P about building the relationship between Canonical's design team and the community designers, and this channel is one of the outcomes of that discussion
[17:37] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: there's also an ~ubuntu-design team on Launchpad now
[17:37] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I saw =)


[15:30] <om26er> popey, what happened to the chrome flickering bug you saw a few days ago, is that gone ?
[15:31] <popey> om26er: i reinstalled. it stopped
[15:31] <popey> om26er: however I get video corruption in other ways now
[15:31] <om26er> popey, reinstalled ubuntu or chrome ?
[15:31] <popey> om26er: ubuntu
[15:31] <om26er> hmmm
[15:32] <om26er> popey, are you using chrome or chromium and which version ?
[15:33] <popey> om26er: chrome 50


[19:25] <christhecoolboy> hello, Islington
[19:25] <Islington> hey
[19:25] <christhecoolboy> I wanna get a copy of the Logo
[19:25] <christhecoolboy> But I cant use google :(
[19:25] <Islington> so the logo files are located here: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/
[19:26] <christhecoolboy> Thank you... :)
[19:26] <Islington> read up on what colors and how to use the files, it all quite pretty simple :)
[19:26] <christhecoolboy> Also, one more question...
[19:27] <christhecoolboy> How do I make a splash?
[19:27] <Islington> for plymouth making a splash is pretty difficult, since its more coding than artwork
[19:28] <Islington> try making a mockup of your idea
[19:28] <christhecoolboy> Like an Animated GIF?
[19:29] <Islington> that would work great, also a bunch of stationary pngs demonstrating the various reasons for the design, basically to explain it to someone who can code it
[19:29] <christhecoolboy> Its actually pretty simple...
[19:32] <christhecoolboy> You wanna hear my Idea?
[19:33] <Islington> sure
[19:34] <Islington> using the CoF as a bootloader
[19:35] <Islington> unfortunately iirc the boot sequence doesnt five accurate timing so
[19:35] <Islington> mostly the loading bar is just to let you know that stuff is going on
[19:35] <Islington> *give
[21:24] <christhecoolboy> Islington, PM?


[07:12] <Couaque> Hello !
[10:30] <mup> Bug #1766209 opened: set -e & debconf are not safe together <subiquity> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766209>
[10:58] <mup> Bug #1766211 opened: cannot force not installing dbconfig managed postgresql <subiquity> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766211>
[11:01] <mup> Bug #1766214 opened: shared-secret should not be asked about in postinst <subiquity> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766214>
[11:34] <mup> Bug #1766218 opened: invoke.rc-d --force should not be used <subiquity> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766218>
[12:34] <mup> Bug #1766241 opened: default url / ip based url / admin user not setup on reconfigure <subiquity> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766241>
[13:29] <mup> Bug #1766259 opened: [2.4, UI, regression] Machine listing page table columns are not correct <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766259>
[15:07] <Hey> roaksoax: what logs do I look at to see why a deployment failed?
[15:29] <Hey> regarding adding a maas windows image, the name field refers to the name of the file?  and the content@ refers to the location of the directory where the
[15:29] <Hey>              file resides?
[15:58] <roaksoax> Hey: content@=/path/to/your/image
[15:58] <roaksoax> Hey: name=windows/your-windows-image-name title="Pretty name"
[16:04] <Hey> roaksoax: your-windows-image-name like name of the file, or name of the windows version?
[16:05] <Hey> forgive the question.
[16:06] <Hey> so.. it could look like<EMAIL_ADDRESS> and name=windows/win10.tar.gz ?
[16:07] <roaksoax> Hey: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35087666/how-to-upload-custom-boot-image-to-maas
[18:24] <mup> Bug #1581734 changed: [2.0b5] installing maas-region-api and maas-dns should only configure bind when connected to the db <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581734>
[18:24] <mup> Bug #1633468 changed: [Subnets page, DD] Add a warning message when Device discovery is disabled <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633468>
[19:57] <mup> Bug #1766334 opened: Discover VID from lldp when available <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766334>
[23:07] <mup> Bug #1766370 opened: list-boot-images reports synced after only syncing bootloader/uefi for arm64 <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <foundations-engine> <zion> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766370>


[01:55] <ranu> Has anyone got into trouble trying to use slideshow on Presentation software by kingsoft?
[03:48] <hay207> when compiling latest version of warzone game, i get this error
[03:48] <hay207> configure: error: Qt 5 not found - required
[03:49] <hay207> i 'm using kubuntu 14.04
[04:08] <ahoneybun> hay207: Qt5 would not be in 14.04
[06:05] <barq> I get Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?) when doing apt-get update. Any ideas how to fix this? I already tried moving sources.list to old and creating a partial dir, doesn't help.
[06:44] <valorie> barq: perhaps you are not reaching the mirror you are requesting from?
[06:44] <valorie> !mirrors
[06:44] <valorie> pff
[06:48] <barq> valorie: ubottu This is what I get https://paste.kde.org/pp6wdbyra/pymvss
[06:48] <barq> Some of the packages work, others don't.
[06:51] <valorie> looks like something wrong with that german mirror
[06:52] <valorie> !mirrors
[06:52] <valorie> pff, there is a way to change mirrors
[06:53] <valorie> !mirrors
[06:53] <valorie> ubottu has gone to sleep I guess
[06:54] <valorie> !mirrors
[06:54] <valorie> !mirror
[06:55] <valorie> barq: http://askubuntu.com/questions/104695/how-do-i-change-mirrors-in-ubuntu-server-from-regional-to-main
[06:56] <valorie> ubottu: not sure why you forgot that
[06:57] <barq> valorie: I get the same with the main mirror.
[07:01] <valorie> hmmm
[07:01] <valorie> not sure what to tell you then, barq
[07:02] <barq> Seems to be a common problem, but all of the supposed fixes I have tried don't work.
[07:03] <valorie> I just did updates about an hour ago and it was slow but complete
[07:52] <_shaun_> hi guys i get the error message ive run out of space when i try pip install, is my /usr/local taking up space and what can i free up?
[07:54] <valorie> _shaun_: you can run df -h in the commandline and see what's taking up space
[07:56] <_shaun_> my /usr/local/lib is quite negligible in size, 166mb, i think that is a paltry amount of space, unless this is a vast amount of space taken up according to unix?
[08:33] <yossarianuk> hi - is there a way I can use some sort of equalizer I can use to alter bass/treble settings for all output in Kubuntu (running 16.04) ?
[08:34] <YankDownUnder> yossarianuk: alsa-mixer
[08:37] <yossarianuk> YankDownUnder: didn't realise that bass/treble settings - thanks
[08:37] <obert> hi, it says that I have an OS update to do but apt-get update/upgrade doesn't show me nothing, how can I fix it?
[08:37] <yossarianuk> obert: try a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[08:37] <YankDownUnder> yossarianuk: If you're using Amarok, there is also a mixer to use in there...
[08:38] <yossarianuk> YankDownUnder: yes i'm aware that some apps have the ability, VLC also does
[08:38] <obert> thanks yossarianuk
[08:38] <obert> it worked
[08:38] <yossarianuk> grrovy
[08:38] <yossarianuk> *groovy*
[08:38] <YankDownUnder> yossarianuk: Coolbeans
[08:50] <obert> slow OS updates download speed
[09:34] <yossarianuk> YankDownUnder:  Can't see any bass/treble settings using alsamixer...
[10:43] <momoe> **A wild momoe has appeared!!**
[10:45] <momoe> Can anyone help, please? Discover "Failed to Apply Changes" to 'papirus-pack-kde5' http://imgur.com/a/2YBKj
[10:50] <momoe> Can anyone help, please? Discover "Failed to Apply Changes" to 'papirus-pack-kde5' http://imgur.com/a/2YBKj
[11:19] <momoe> Can anyone help, please? Discover "Failed to Apply Changes" to 'papirus-pack-kde5' http://imgur.com/a/2YBKj
[12:31] <Lornzer> heyo
[12:31] <Lornzer> kubuntu newbie here
[12:31] <obert> same here
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:32] <obert> Lornzer: what's your question?
[12:32] <Lornzer> I'm getting random crashes / freezes since I've installed kubuntu 16.04 (3 crashes in 10 days)
[12:32] <Lornzer> last entries in syslog before the crash are: https://paste.kde.org/pkdxprtnw
[12:33] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, what is the version of plasma? Have a look in information system
[12:33] <Lornzer> im currently reading up about microcode patches for intel processors but I have no idea if I'm on the right track with that :D
[12:33] <Lornzer> plasma 5.5.5
[12:33] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, what processor do you have ?
[12:33] <Lornzer> kernel 4.4.0-34.generic
[12:34] <Lornzer> Processor               : 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz
[12:34] <JohnDroid> is it an intel skylake?
[12:35] <Lornzer> good question, i'll figure it out 1 sec
[12:37] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, so to tell you the truth: Plasma 5.5 and 5.6 is still a bit buggish. It only gets better in Plasma 5.7.3
[12:38] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, do you use full disk encryption?
[12:39] <Lornzer> wait, so plasma 5.7.3 is more stable / recommended over 5.5/5.6?
[12:39] <Lornzer> no full disk encryption in use
[12:39] <Lornzer> bit unsure about how to find out if my processor in use is part of the skylake family
[12:40] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, ok don't bother about skylake.
[12:40] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, of course Latest Plasma is more polished and has less bugs
[12:40] <Lornzer> okay
[12:41] <Lornzer> didn't check on other sources for updates other than apt-get upgrade tbh
[12:41] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, is kubuntu for a daily production use at work or for home in your case?
[12:41] <Lornzer> daily production use at work
[12:41] <Lornzer> i like to live risky :D
[12:42] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, ok so if you like the risk, you should look into KDE Neon https://neon.kde.org/
[12:42] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, it is the latest KDE apps and Plasma
[12:43] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, when booting into iso, and installing, there is no programms installed, but with
[12:44] <Lornzer> would this require a full OS reset / setting up all personalized settings again or is it possible to install over my current kubuntu install?
[12:45] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, konsole you can easily do: sudo apt install kde-baseapps
[12:45] <momoe> Hello hello
[12:45] <Lornzer> nice
[12:46] <momoe> Anyone recieving my IMs?
[12:47] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, but then you have to manually install kate okular and other apps
[12:47] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, but its easy
[12:47] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, if you like the risk take this: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=135278&hilit=neon+ppa
[12:47] <momoe> I too was having an installer issues with Kubuntu updates
[12:48] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, safer would be to start fresh from the latest iso from kde neon and then copy paste your home directory
[12:48] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, but do the way you prefer
[12:48] <Lornzer> so i already have kde-baseapps-bin / kde-baseapps-data installed
[12:49] <Lornzer> on the same version as current stable release (4:15:12.3)
[12:50] <Lornzer> JohnDroid: first of all thanks for all the help!
[12:50] <Lornzer> im curious though - do you think its definitely plasma causing the freezes?
[12:50] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, lol I didn't do anything. You have to do all the work
[12:50] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, SURE!
[12:50] <Lornzer> or could it be related to this atomic update failure
[12:51] <Lornzer> heh well that sounds convinced :D
[12:51] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, ah. Maybe try installing this neon and see if it still freeze
[12:51] <momoe> Can anyone help, please? Discover "Failed to Apply Changes" to 'papirus-pack-kde5' http://imgur.com/a/2YBKj
[12:52] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, for the records I use Neon at work and I love it
[12:52] <Lornzer> :) will do
[12:52] <Lornzer> but not this friday late afternoon :P
[12:52] <JohnDroid> Lornzer, I started to use it since june and I saw the progress
[12:53] <momoe> JohnDroid, test IM
[12:55] <momoe> test
[12:57] <momoe> Can anyone help, please? Discover "Failed to Apply Changes" to 'papirus-pack-kde5' http://imgur.com/a/2YBKj
[12:58] <Lornzer> JohnDroid: and no problems with stability? i dont mind if some features dont work properly or stuff but I hate the random freezes / interruptions of ssh connections
[13:01] <Lornzer> brb
[13:02] <momoe> Anyone seeing these IMs?
[13:03] <JohnDroid> momoe, no
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi momoe, we see your chat entries if that's what you mean
[13:04] <JohnDroid> momoe, sorry I don't use papirus, I never got that error
[13:05] <BluesKaj> momoe, what is papirus-pack?
[13:14] <momoe> @BluesKaj
[13:14] <BluesKaj> momoe, ppas aren't supported here
[13:15] <BluesKaj> !ppa
[13:15] <momoe> I'm not sure, I was using the Discover UPdate notification
[13:15] <momoe> and the update didn't apply correctly
[13:15] <momoe> I'll review the PPAs
[13:15] <BluesKaj> use apt -get
[13:16] <BluesKaj> also papirus appears to be discontinued
[13:16] <momoe> Isn't Papirus for KDE's Plasma 5?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> it's not supported here anyway
[13:17] <momoe> Okay, no worries. I was just confirming it wouldn't affect Kubuntu's updates even though it's failing
[13:18] <BluesKaj> use ppa-purge
[13:18] <momoe> okay will try that
[13:52] <momoe> !time
[14:01] <momoe> !time
[16:03] <codayblue> Hello everyone, I have a quick question. What version of KDE comes with kubuntu 16.04.1 LTS?
[16:39] <mgolden> codayblue: I am running the backports, which has Plasma 5.6.5 and Frameworks 5.23
[17:06] <ahoneybun> thanks mgolden_
[17:07] <ahoneybun> the standard iso will have Plasma 5.5.5
[17:14] <pi_rson> hello
[17:24] <mgolden_> hello
[17:25] <mgolden_> codayblue: I found the backports an improvement over the vanilla ISO (don't recall all of why).
[18:17] <sergiinnho> =)


[03:43] <balloons> elopio, I was just working on this: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/add-popover-object-support/+merge/225404. Seems I found a bug; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1336945
[03:43] <balloons> i may ping you tomorrow about it.. buenos noches
[05:08] <elopio> balloons: I saw it. Thanks for working on it.
[08:57] <l3on> Hi all!.. I'm working on enabling autopkgtest for my (nodejs) packages.. I would make some "import-python-like" test...
[08:58] <l3on> The result is this commit: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-javascript/node-debug.git;a=commitdiff;h=d291750004417da5af9ef2d42a9d41d943771b15
[08:58] <l3on> you think everything is fine?
[11:46] <melodie> hi
[15:29] <balloons> good morning elopio.. you about?
[16:09] <elopio> balloons: just waking up.
[16:10] <balloons> elopio, well when you ready I have a couple things to ask you about and get help on :-)
[17:11] <balloons> pitti, still about?
[17:15] <elopio> balloons: ok, my meetings in coming to an end. How can I help you?
[17:19] <elopio> brendand: so my question was: if we have a py3-only project, should we stop doing all the weird things needed for py2, like inherit from object?
[17:24] <balloons> elopio, the other piece I wanted to chat about is rssreader and namely ActionSelectionPopover and the helper
[17:25] <elopio> balloons: ok.
[17:26] <balloons> elopio, I was investigating this failures from rss reader; and I got to playing with the popup helper. It needs some love as it's still using text to find and click. So I started an mp for it.
[17:27] <elopio> I'm looking at it.
[17:27] <balloons> you can see the failures here; http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/822/testReport/junit/shorts_app.tests.test_rssreader/TestMainWindow/test_add_feed_to_new_topic_with_mouse_/
[17:27] <balloons> basically the autoclose check code fails because it's already closed in jenkins. Seems fine on desktop and phone.
[17:27] <elopio> balloons: well, your branch is failing due to pep8
[17:27] <balloons> I also had some fun with Tim, but we arrived at a solution to your old bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1205144
[17:28] <balloons> so in the interim, I'm going to catch the dbus error I think so rssreader can land and continue to run
[17:29] <balloons> then I'll fix up popups.py and finish the merge for it
[17:30] <elopio> balloons: I'm not getting the problem. The pop up is not closing when it should, is that it?
[17:30] <balloons> elopio, well it's kind of a long story.. and since I figured it out with tim this morning, I didn't go into details.
[17:30] <balloons> yesterday I discovered that setting up an actionselectpopover as instructed didn't autoclose
[17:31] <balloons> turns out the example shows using listitem, which is a non-default delegate.
[17:31] <elopio> oh, I see. We do if self.autoClose and that can fail if the popover is already deleted from the tree.
[17:31] <balloons> a non-default delegate will not autoclose. But if I use the default delegate, I can't set objectnames, aka your old bug. Tim reminded me of using the objectname+item trick
[17:32] <balloons> elopio, yes.. the popover object is gone, but you still check the property outside a try/catch
[17:32] <elopio> balloons: yes, so please move that inside the try on your branch :)
[17:32] <elopio> balloons: another thing from your branch
[17:32] <elopio> 56	+ if button is None:
[17:32] <elopio> 57	+ raise _common.ToolkitException(
[17:32] <elopio> 58	+ 'Button with text "{0}" not found.'.format(text))
[17:33] <balloons> anyways, I'll try and fix everything up.. I was going to ask for help in getting rss reader fixed up in the interim, but discovered all this new info before you awoke ;-)
[17:33] <elopio> that's old autopilot. Now select_single will raise an exception instead of returning None.
[17:33] <balloons> elopio, ahh good catch!
[17:34] <elopio> balloons: well, you will need tests to all the new things you are adding before merging, so they would have caught that anyway.
[17:34] <elopio> :D
[17:34] <elopio> let me know if you need a hand with the self-tests.
[17:34] <balloons> yes, I left a comment about needing tests before someone else did it ;-)
[17:34] <elopio> other than that, looks pretty good.
[17:34] <balloons> it was quick hack while I was trying to debug rss reader.. so I figured I'd just turn it into an mp
[17:40] <balloons> ohh elopio one more quick thing.. Should I leave click_button_by_text in that mp? we don't support that idea in other places
[17:42] <elopio> balloons: yes, because otherwise you'll break tests.
[17:42] <balloons> elopio, legacy legacy.. ok :-)
[17:42] <elopio> please add a logger.warn('This is dreprecated, please use this other one.')
[17:42] <balloons> right.. perfect


 Pinged Stefano Rivera about Debian #1007966 (on #debian-python).
 If we are not going to have a fix soon, I will try to patch calibre tomorrow to work around this issue.


[01:48] <BUGabundo> bem bou nanar. ate amanha
[01:58] <pablo> hello
[01:58] <pablo> I got a question
[02:01] <pablo> Yesterday I received an invitation but there is a red sign on the site that says that I am on the waiting list
[11:08] <e-jat> ubuntuone available for karmic ?
[11:09] <e-jat> i mean Ubuntuone PPA source for karmic?
[14:57] <BUGabundo> boas tardes
[22:57]  * BUGabundo waves guud bye


 This is my latest try for arc. I read through the guides to make sure my quiltrc was the same and that arc was installed. I modified the quiltrc only in my /etc folder.
 That being said I git cloned from the ssh version of the Calamares settings repo
 I then did my changes
 Then git add -A
 arc diff
 Then I received this (see pic):
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/iOdgarM.jpg
 and you confirmed your remote is Phab?
 `git remote -v`
 I don't think he has push access
 Hmm
 @tsimonq2 that said I technically don't have push access to anything even though you gave me perms
 and it's not a key issue
 :P
 *blames @tsimonq2 again*
 Hmm
 Lemme check that remote idea
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/kuTTImb.jpg
 yep that means that you don't have push access heh
 which means @tsimonq2 needs to fix you up
 Ah I see
 or wxl
 Did I follow the steps though?
 Just making sure cause I actually read through most of the applicable parts of that arc guide and contribution guide too
 y'all know Lubuntu installation with encryption was broken yes?
 ran into a few people griping about it on the Ubuntu Hideout discord server where I'm a mod
 @teward001 [y'all know Lubuntu installation with encryption was broken yes?], Have you read the release notes?
 And have they?
 #RTFM somehow won't work in this case? lol
[09:00] <apt-ghetto> @Thomas Ward: Yes, the Lubuntu installation with encryption is broken. For an UEFI installation have a look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/T136
[09:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix EFI/encryption: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T136
[09:02] <apt-ghetto> The Lubuntu installation in BIOS mode with encryption "works", but in a different way then all the other *bbuntus with Ubiquity.
 err
 where do i "pr" to
[11:22] <apt-ghetto> pr means pull request?
 yes
[12:51] <apt-ghetto> If you have forked a project on your github account, upload the commit to your github account and create a pull request
 anyone here that uses KDE knows which app is the one that install privative drivers in kde?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> If you have forked a project on your github account, upload the com …], wait you guys dont have a gerrit or something?
 @HMollerCl [anyone here that uses KDE knows which app is the one that install privative driv …], app?
[12:53] <apt-ghetto> no, lubuntu uses phabricator
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> no, lubuntu uses phabricator], ah similar i guess
[12:53] <apt-ghetto> not really
 oh
 ic
 i'll do some searching
[12:54] <apt-ghetto> github.com/lubuntu-team
[12:54] <apt-ghetto> if you like to use github
[12:54] <apt-ghetto> or you can use your github credentials to create an account on phab.lubuntu.me
 @fwapy [app?], I don't know how to call the piece of gui software that can do that
 oki
 @HMollerCl [I don't know how to call the piece of gui software that can do that], won't cli work better
 @HMollerCl [anyone here that uses KDE knows which app is the one that install privative driv …], They don't have a separate app, it is part of KCM or Kconfig Modules in system settings.
 KCM is the same as Kconfig?
 @Wolfenprey talk me about kubuntu-driver-manager is not the same?
 `systemsettings5` is the application name.
 @HMollerCl [anyone here that uses KDE knows which app is the one that install privative driv …], @acheronuk is the Kubuntu maintainer. :P
 @tsimonq2 just nagging as I normally do.  so shush.  also 90% of users dont read release notes this is confirmed
[13:46] <apt-ghetto> 98% don't encrypt
 @HMollerCl [anyone here that uses KDE knows which app is the one that install privative driv …], 'privative'? umm, you mean proprietary?
 https://cgit.kde.org/kubuntu-driver-kcm.git/
 @kc2bez [They don't have a separate app, it is part of KCM or Kconfig Modules in system s …], Yeah, but it will also run seperatelt like most kcm modules outside systemsettings. e.g. envoke with kcmshell5
 Good to know, thanks for the information.
 @acheronuk ['privative'? umm, you mean proprietary?], Yes
 Thanks for the info
 @teward001 [@tsimonq2 just nagging as I normally do.  so shush.  also 90% of users dont read …], Which is why we want a welcome center which shows them. :P
 The release notes that no one reads?
 @aptghetto [The release notes that no one reads?], Yes. :P
 If they don't read the release notes they're missing out, but hey.
 Good, maybe with big blinking arrows around?
 😆
 Did anyone update my push access?
 I have added the reviewers
 To your diff
 @tsimonq2 [Which is why we want a welcome center which shows them. :P], That only works after install, unless you force them to read release notes during the installer process.
 :P
 'cause the encrypted partition breakage means they don't *see* a welcome center.
 @teward001 [That only works after install, unless you force them to read release notes durin …], IMHO, one should always read, or at least, browse over the release note,  before download the iso...
[15:55] <teward> @brli7848 I agree with you.  However, users are typically lazy and won't read if they can avoid it.
[15:55] <teward> those of us in highly technical fields tend to but I also wanted the phab link.
[15:55] <teward> the problem is unless you FORCE users to read it... they won't.
[15:55] <teward> but thats its own can of worms right there
 How about a brief note aka an JavaScript alert when you click the iso download button with the release notes?
 'tis an @tsimonq2 question
 anyone knows an apt python (hopefulle qt) implementation? the one that is used in software-properties is aptdaemon, which is for gtk, so I haven't been able to handle those signals. The one used with KDE is in C++.
 @HMollerCl [anyone knows an apt python (hopefulle qt) implementation? the one that is used i …], Perhaps ask juliank in #ubuntu-devel
 But I think it's just called python-apt
 He's an apt maintainer recently hired by Canonical so he'll be able to help if he's not already on leave.
 Thanks. I look at python-apt but couldn't find documentation of it
 Ok
 Cool
 Hey I'm around to try that automirror commit
 If someone can help give me push access I'd appreciate it
 @tsimonq2 ^
 since you're the only one with true access to things :P
 Thanks for the ping


[00:01] <ryanprior> LordMetroid: mind you, it's not the artwork that is being done for Ubuntu Main. Canonical does that. We post and discuss community contributions peripheral to the main artwork.
[00:01] <LordMetroid> Yes, I figured so much. Canonical did bring in the main wallpaper though from the community for 9.04 if I remember the mail correctly
[00:02] <LordMetroid> I am using wallpaper the community produced which I think is far superior than the rather bland default
[00:02] <SiDi> For 8.10 afair
[00:02] <SiDi> (Anyways the best one is the Xubuntu one :O knome  ;) )
[00:03] <knome> x.x
[00:28] <SiDi> Night
[03:54] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hey I have a question for GDM themes
[03:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> How do I make the input (Username/password combo) box black background, with white text?
[03:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> Or any color, for that matter.
[04:05] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hmmm apparently, you can't..
[04:05] <H_M-Ubuntu> :(
[09:48] <SiDi> dashua: http://www.2nt.free.fr/host/tmp/HansoXfwm.tar.gz :)
[10:28] <zniavre> hello i got strange behaviour of gnome-apearence-properties i can't update the picture of my theme
[10:28] <zniavre> like that > http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4572/capturexbv.png
[10:28] <zniavre> and all the metacity chooser is as "blank"
[10:29] <zniavre> what could be wrong please?
[10:50] <kwwii> zniavre: a broken theme of some sort perhaps
[10:50] <zniavre> the theme is working great but it's only the thumbnail wrongly displayed
[10:51] <zniavre> may be the way i packaged it ?
[10:51] <zniavre> maybe*
[10:51] <kwwii> not sure
[10:51] <kwwii> maybe there is already a known bug about this somehwere?
[10:51] <zniavre> whith the intrepid of my wife the same package is well displayed
[10:52] <kwwii> I would look in launchpad and gnome bugs
[10:52] <zniavre> ok i will after linch
[10:52] <zniavre> lunch*
[10:52] <zniavre> thank you for answering
[11:48] <SiDi> dashua: ping
[11:53] <SiDi> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7408/capturemqe.png there are little artifacts on the right side of the terminal windows but it seems to appear with a lot of themes
[13:28] <robsta> hiya
[15:22] <thorwil> hi!
[15:25] <robsta> hi thorwil
[15:31] <thorwil> robsta, hi. writing email
[15:34] <thorwil> kwwii, shall we keep you in CC for css-engine related mail?
[15:35] <thorwil> robsta, there are 2 cases of graphical patterns in pioneer.svg now
[15:36] <thorwil> robsta, for ToggleButton Inconsistent (striped) and for the VScale slider (2x checker)
[15:36] <thorwil> these shouldn't be stretched
[15:37] <thorwil> robsta, any idea how that can be handled?
[15:40] <robsta> thorwil: hmm
[15:41] <robsta> not sure i understand
[15:42] <robsta> thorwil: as long as librsvg can render it we should be able to use it
[15:43] <thorwil> robsta, take the togglebutton. the plain buttons have a simple gradient that can be stretched for any size. the striped togglebutton requires a pattern-fill. the 2 px broad stroke, followed by 2px gap should remain 2 and 2 px
[15:43] <robsta> oh, i see what you mean
[15:43] <robsta> we can use background-repeat
[15:44] <thorwil> robsta, do we need a new plate with a single pattern-element on it?
[15:44] <robsta> but i have to think how this works with the plates
[15:44] <thorwil> heh
[15:46] <thorwil> robsta, the assumption of light straight from above makes these things simpler. ideally, it should be possible to use a pattern with an angled fill. meaning that you can't just use one element, but have to handle geometry and fill separately
[15:47] <thorwil> well, simple case first :)
[15:47] <robsta> thorwil: i have no idea what you mean
[15:47] <robsta> what angle?
[15:48] <thorwil> robsta, rotation of the gradient. meaning a gradient that is anything but exactly horizontal or vertical
[15:49] <robsta> thorwil: unless we get support for css transforms we have to keep background tiles vertically/horizontally aligned
[15:51] <thorwil> robsta, if you look at the checker pattern on the slider, it can't be stretched, it must be repeated to fill an area. but at the same time, if it has a gradient fill, the fill does need to be stretched
[15:54] <robsta> thorwil: you mean compositing of the background?
[15:55] <robsta> e.g. a tiled checker pattern on top of a gradient?
[15:55] <thorwil> as mask on a gradient, you could say
[15:57] <robsta> thorwil: mask?
[15:57] <thorwil> robsta, alpha mask
[15:58] <robsta> thorwil: not sure anything but a plain "combine" can be done in css
[15:58] <robsta> anyway, currently only a single bg image is supported by the css library
[15:59] <thorwil> robsta, could you take geomtry from the file, duplicate it to fill an area and then give it a single gradient fill?
[16:01] <robsta> thorwil: what we could do (after substantial improvements) is drawing arbitrary background-images on top of each other
[16:02] <robsta> e.g. first the background gradient (vertical gradient) with "repeat-x"
[16:02] <robsta> then the checker pattern on top
[16:02] <robsta> tiled, so it repeats in x and y direction
[16:03] <robsta> would that work?
[16:03] <thorwil> the checker pattern would have to have a single color, then. better than nothing, but not good
[16:03] <robsta> why? it can be an arbitrary image
[16:04] <thorwil> because the geometry needs to be tiled, but the gradient fill (if one is involved) needs to be stretched
[16:05] <robsta> you would have 2 different background-images
[16:05] <robsta> on different plates
[16:05] <robsta> one is the gradient, the other the checker patter
[16:05] <robsta> n
[16:06] <thorwil> robsta, what i would want is a gradient fill as base, plus a pattern with its own gradient fill on top ...
[16:07] <robsta> yes, that is (theoretically, in the css3 spec) possible
[16:08] <robsta> thorwil: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#layering
[16:08] <thorwil> robsta, shall we make that a wishlist item and go with tiling in one direction, fill and geometry at once for now?
[16:08] <robsta> thorwil: yes
[16:09] <SiDi> May I ask what you guys are preparing ? :)
[16:09] <robsta> SiDi: we want to prove people who say gtk theming sucks wrong
[16:10] <thorwil> using css and svg
[16:10] <SiDi> writing a new engine ? :D
[16:10] <robsta> css svg and our awesomeness of course
[16:10] <SiDi> Well, i'll morally support you then :)
[16:11] <robsta> a new engine is part of what we are doing
[16:11] <robsta> thorwil: the problem is that the css parsing library doesn't support those css3 constructs
[16:12] <robsta> thorwil: but i want to write my own css parser anyway, inside libccss
[16:13] <robsta> just that days only have 24h in my timezone :/
[16:13] <thorwil> yeah
[16:15] <thorwil> need more hours and/or more people (well aware of overhead)
[16:15]  * SiDi doesn't have spare time. Neither awesomeness
[16:15]  * thorwil wonders how SiDi manages to hang out here with no spare time
[16:16] <SiDi> IRC is my distraction, thorwil :)
[16:16] <SiDi> currently working on my next exam + writing a project report
[16:16] <SiDi> but i need frequent breaks
[16:22] <robsta> thorwil: maybe we can keep the current plates and use "-moz-image-region" to specify the tile
[16:22] <robsta> for the striped buttons at least
[16:49] <kwwii> thorwil: yes, please, if it is not too much trouble
[20:40]  * thorwil throws wildcards at kwwii for still not being subscribed to all of Artwork on the wiki
[21:56] <dashua> SiDi: Another hack pushed to bzr ;)
[21:56] <SiDi> :)
[21:56] <SiDi> btw, got the xfwm ?
[21:57] <dashua> That pixel bug you're talking about?
[21:57] <dashua> I didn't get a chance to look at it.
[21:57] <SiDi> no thats anyways a xfce bug heh
[21:57] <SiDi> not specific to your theme
[21:58] <SiDi> http://www.2nt.free.fr/host/tmp/HansoXfwm.tar.gz
[21:58] <SiDi> that :p
[21:59] <dashua> Oh nice
[22:06] <SiDi> done with photoshop though :X
[22:06] <SiDi> i needed to do it quick to get a dark xfwm :p
[22:06] <dashua> Moving to opensource tools?
[22:07] <dashua> I don't have photoshop
[22:07] <ryanprior> If anybody is interested in helping the ubuntu game development team create artwork for games, holla.
[22:10] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13501/screenshot_025_O77Wht.png
[22:10] <dashua> Needs a little love.  I prefer dark, but it seems most people do not.
[22:11] <SiDi> damn i disabled images in firefox due to bandwidth
[22:11] <SiDi> and mibbit puts mini images instead of URIs to images T_T
[22:11] <SiDi> can you write it with a space in the name please dashua ? :P
[22:11] <SiDi> dashua: i'm using inkscape, learning little by little. I use it for graphics in my reports atm
[22:12] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13501/ screenshot_025_O77Wht.png
[22:12] <SiDi> thanks
[22:13] <dashua> Np
[22:13] <dashua> brb
[22:13] <SiDi> sweet
[23:05] <knome> Daviey, the problem with dark themes is also that if there is lots of quite similar dark tones, many people can't see the difference their monitor or eyes
[23:05] <knome> dashua, ^
[23:07] <SiDi> dashua: btw, which color is used for the toolbars (the ones with file / edit / display) ? I can't get them to the same colour than the window borders
[23:13] <dashua> SiDi: The menubar?
[23:13] <dashua> On which theme?
[23:14] <dashua> #202020
[23:14] <SiDi> Hanso
[23:14] <dashua> oh
[23:14] <SiDi> It seems its a mix of the primary colors
[23:14] <SiDi> cause i changed them and it didnt have much effect
[23:14] <SiDi> (or i did something wrong :p)
[23:14] <dashua> #231D13
[23:15] <SiDi> wee :D
[23:15] <dashua> File > Edit > Search > View, etc.  That's the menubar
[23:15] <dashua> Cool
[23:16] <dashua> Hanso is still my favorite out of the Karmic-Themes
[23:17] <dashua> 4 weeks and I'm still using it.  Record here.
[23:17] <SiDi> Its a fork of Rust, right ?
[23:17] <dashua> Yeah, sort of
[23:17] <SiDi> yah they usually move fast here too, but i feel this one'll stay
[23:17] <knome> SiDi, wait for the official xubuntu theme ;)
[23:18] <dashua> Xubuntu is blue, right?
[23:18] <knome> ...maybe.
[23:18] <knome> we/i don't know yet.
[23:19] <SiDi> dashua: though the scrollbar is quite tiny, and thus the arrow part doesnt look great here
[23:19] <SiDi> i'd love to see a fork of dust 0.3's scrollbars, in a darker color
[23:20] <SiDi> well, dark bar and light bar background, cause it also breaks the layout of GUIs with a scrollbar in the middle
[23:20] <SiDi> due to the color contrast
[23:20] <dashua> I'm working on new scrollbars for Dust.  Kido wanted a lighter version of the Hanso scrollbars.
[23:20] <dashua> He reverted back to .3's
[23:20] <SiDi> these were awesome though :)
[23:21] <SiDi> really one of my favourite things on dust
[23:21] <dashua> The new series is all murrine based
[23:21] <dashua> .4
[23:32] <savvas> now make an dedust-ubuntu map for counter strike and that's it! :P
[23:33] <SiDi> and terrorists work at MS ?
[23:33] <SiDi> and counter are the guys of the MOTU Team ?
[23:34] <savvas> now that would be a nice game haha
[23:34] <savvas> imagine the players to be ninjas throwing "ubuntu" stars :P
[23:35] <savvas> I mean those 3-bladed knives, or whatever they're called
[23:35] <SiDi> shurikens
[23:35] <SiDi> ninja stars are the 8 side ones afair
[23:36] <savvas> well we'll have our own ubuntu ones :P
[23:36] <dashua> SiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13502/ screenshot_026_GaR40N.png
[23:36] <dashua> ?
[23:37] <SiDi> dashua: sorry but i dont think it fits the theme :)
[23:37] <dashua> Too light?
[23:38] <SiDi> Hanso is a smooth theme, this is a "metallic" scrollbar. I'd more see this in the theme which pic you saw me earlier
[23:38] <SiDi> too "squared"
[23:38] <SiDi> it doesnt fit with the roundness of the theme and the smoothness of the colors
[23:39] <dashua> Lighter scrollbar and darker through you think?
[23:39] <SiDi> yeh
[23:39] <SiDi> not thiner though :p
[23:39] <SiDi> more discrete
[23:40] <dashua> Ok
[23:42] <dashua> I'm wondering if I should stay with the pixmap engine for the scrollbars? It's just so much faster when scrolling.
[23:43] <dashua> Than the engines scrollbars itself.
[23:44] <SiDi> dunno ^^
[23:45] <dashua> I can make a round scrollbar with murrine, its just slow.
[23:47] <SiDi> what if you do it with the pixmap engine then ?
[23:47] <SiDi> i really don't know much about engines
[23:55] <dashua> Yeah, I will probably stay with the pixma engine for the scrollbars.
[23:55] <dashua> Murrine is for everything else.


[17:57] <lotuspsychje> check the topic for schedule ph88
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> we have alot of testers already on 20.04 development branch
[17:58] <ph88> lotuspsychje, is there still time to get a new version of RStudio in ?
[17:59] <ph88> oh it's not in nvm


[13:09] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +6684 cases (now 1.4 million), +187 deaths (now 24175) since 23 hours ago


[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:23] <ducasse> good morning
[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:10] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[21:27] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 664 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue664 :D


[08:40] <dadu042> Hello I wish to warn about a serious issue (loop reboot after updates on 2018-01-13), I have a laptop on Xubuntu 17.10 (32 bits I think) used only for web browsing. It’s a old HP 6730s (CPU Intel Celeron T1600). After one week without admin logging, I have logged in order to do some updates, automatic security updates occured because I could launch myself the updates, the OS asked me to reboot. Now every time I get on the GR
[08:41] <dadu042> (my email: david.ducassou@   g.M.aiL.)
[08:42] <dadu042> Note I use Xubuntu since 3 years on 3 PCs.
[08:50] <dadu042_> Sorry I had to reboot, because the mouse on this PC (Ubuntu Mate ! 16.04.3 LTS) has gone crazy again.
[09:02] <dadu042_> From the GRUB menu, when going to ‘Ubuntu advanced options’, I can see that the current kernel version is  ‘<IP_ADDRESS>-generic’ . When selecting the previous kernel ‘<IP_ADDRESS>-generic’ I can run Xubuntu !.
[10:23] <bluesabre> morning everyone
[10:26] <dadu042> hi bluesabre.
[10:26] <bluesabre> hello dadu042
[10:29] <bluesabre> feel free to report a bug using "ubuntu-bug linux" so the kernel maintainers can get some eyes on the issues you're experiencing... none of us are particularly kernel-savvy
[10:35] <dadu042> thanks bluesabre.  I have asked my question on  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+question/663037
[10:35] <dadu042> I will look at "ubuntu-bug linux"
[10:43] <flocculant> dadu042: run ubuntu-bug linux in a terminal and it will do it's thing
[10:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: morning :)
[10:43]  * flocculant has a pink highlight in gtk3 :p
[10:43] <bluesabre> morning flocculant
[10:44] <flocculant> seeded ~ 20 iso's since we released 17.10.1
[10:47] <dadu042> flocculant: thank you.
[10:51] <flocculant> np
[11:04] <dadu042> Je vois que plusieurs suggestions de traducitons en français du site web Xubuntu sont en attente de validation dans https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs
[11:04] <dadu042> Etes vous au courant ?    Merci de faire suivre.   Et j'aimerais bien faire partie des validateurs (j'ai déjà participé à traduire sous le pseudo  Yosha872 ).
[11:05] <flocculant> dadu042: umm - English in here please
[11:34] <dadu042> oops.
[11:35] <dadu042> I see that many french translation are not yet validated ( https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs ). Are you aware ? it not please forward the info.  And I am interrested to be one of the validators for french (I already translate under the nickname Yosha872).
[12:01] <knome> the xubuntu documentation translations and validations go through the ubuntu translators group, so you'll want to be in touch with the french subteam there
[12:01] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-fr
[12:01] <knome> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ubuntu-l10n-fr
[12:02] <knome> note that it's common that the content on these pages can be (very) old
[12:02] <knome> ^ dadu042
[17:48] <krytarik> The issue reported by dadu042 earlier today is LP bug 1742933.


[13:17] <gary_poster> for anyone following along like I am: mrevell reports that he should have the results from the user testing of Graham's most recent mockups later today.  The summary is that they went over well but simplifying the English would be good.
[13:20] <benji> sounds promising
[13:21] <gary_poster> yeah
[13:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos mumble/kanban in 1-ish
[13:45] <danilos> gary_poster, oh, another thing I did even though I didn't plan to: I sent a quick email about problems I noticed with ubuntu monospace font and cyrillic and Paul Sladen started throwing questions on IRC so I spent some more time than I planned on that
[13:45] <gary_poster> danilos :-) ok cool
[16:17] <gary_poster> danilos, you available for pre-imp?
[16:20] <danilos> gary_poster, sure thing
[16:21] <gary_poster> http://typewith.me/k9gzJDYSRS
[17:58] <gary_poster> lunch
[23:53] <gary_poster> bug 723999 :-(
[23:53] <_mup_> Bug #723999: structural subscriptions taking 4.8 seconds during nomination editing POST <story-better-bug-notification> <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/723999 >


[08:10] <mgz> morning
[08:11] <vila> hi
[14:39] <vila> james_w: ping, around ?
[14:50] <james_w> vila, yep
[14:51] <vila> james_w: I'd like to have a ppa on ~udd to replace ~vila/+archive/pkgimport but I'm not an udd admin :)
[14:52] <james_w> vila, you are now
[14:52] <vila> thanks
[14:53] <vila> james_w: wow, and jam too, you're reading my mind or was that from someone else ?
[14:57] <james_w> vila, i saw your comment elsechannel
[14:57] <vila> you rock ;)
[15:59] <hallyn> hi - when i do 'bzr merge someothertree' it quilt pops all patches.  then doesn't re-push them.  is there any reason not to simply quilt push -a again before checking in?
[16:00] <hallyn> (i was surprised it didn't do it autmoatcially, figured ther emight be a reason :)
[16:08] <weigon> I'm trying to find a (performant) way to find all the heads in a repo. I'm actually looking for loose ends after a "uncommit" or "pull --overwrite"
[16:09] <weigon> I went with repo.get_graph().heads(repo.all_revisions()) ... but that takes quite some time to complete
[16:22] <jelmer> weigon: there is something slightly faster I think
[16:31] <weigon> jelmer: I wonder how the revisions are indexed and if that can be utilized
[16:32] <jelmer> weigon: any access to the revision graph should already use just the indexes afaik
[16:43] <weigon> jelmer: any idea how to speed it up?
[16:56] <jelmer> weigon: check out what 'bzr heads' does
[17:16] <weigon> jelmer: *doh* it is all there ...
[17:16] <weigon> jelmer: thx
[20:07] <jelmer> maxb: you're still occasionally contributing to the bzr package, should I consider you one of its maintainers?
[23:20] <jimis> Can I convert a branch of an lp:project in a local repo, to a stacked one so I can save space, but without re-branching?
[23:21] <thumper> are you using shared repositories?
[23:21] <jimis> thumper: I think so, yes
[23:22] <jimis> you mean if the branch is in a directory where init-repo has run?
[23:22] <jimis> if so then yes
[23:22] <thumper> then stacking will make no difference at all
[23:22] <thumper> as it is already sharing revisions
[23:23] <jimis> thumper: as it is now I have locally all metadata from the lp:project, which is too much
[23:23] <jimis> by converting to stacked I was hoping to rid this space and have only local changes
[23:23] <jimis> local branches etc
[23:24] <thumper> you really don't want to stack on a remote branch
[23:24] <thumper> ever
[23:24] <jimis> I know, bad past experience :-)
[23:24] <jimis> so it's not possible
[23:24] <jimis> ?
[23:25] <thumper> oh  it is possible, but every action will include network which will be very slow
[23:25] <thumper> lifeless: care to comment?
[23:27] <jimis> thumper: I hope I'll not do *any* action after converting to stacked. My plan is to do it in a dup copy of the original repo: 1)convert to stacked 2)back it up 3)rm -rf stacked-repo   :-)
[23:27] <jimis> anyway just playing here to find the best backup method, I'll let you know after experimenting :-)
[23:28] <thumper> jimis: how about push to launchpad?
[23:28] <thumper> that is a pretty good backup
[23:28] <thumper> and saves you 100% disk space
[23:28] <jimis> thumper: I push what I want to be seen, but too many junk branches I don't want to push
[23:29]  * thumper shrugs
[23:29] <thumper> ok
[23:42] <lifeless> jimis: it will performance very poorly.
[23:42] <lifeless> jimis: whats the actual problem you are trying to solve ?
[23:43] <jimis> launchpad answer 205318
[23:43] <jimis> https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/205318
[23:44] <jimis> just trying various ways other then the obvious, to incrementally backup everything.
[23:45] <jimis> lifeless: Ideally when I'll have to restore from backup, I'll be able to re-convert to non-stacked.
[23:46] <jimis> this will possibly be slow but it will only happen once, hopefully never :-p
[23:47] <lifeless> jimis: I think you have a flawed model about how stacked works.
[23:48] <lifeless> jimis: if you want to run efficient backups of the whole repo to another site, push the whole repo there; a small python script can push all the heads in one network transaction.
[23:48] <lifeless> something like bzrlib.repository.Repository.open('remotepath').fetch(bzrlib.repository.Repository.open('localpath'))
[23:49] <lifeless> stacking won't give you the ability to restore reliably, because one missing revision can render a branch unusable; and it will incur a per-branch overhead of 10 or so network round trips.
[23:50] <lifeless> you can seed the back up repository by cloning lp:gcc from Launchpad directly to your backup server.
[23:50] <jimis> ah that would be ideal
[23:50] <lifeless> if you have 400MB of local branch commits, I'd be amazed. I suspect you actually have 20 or 30MB tops
[23:50] <lifeless> its just not compacted.
[23:51] <jimis> even less probably of raw text data, that's why I was hoping to generate minimum traffic
[23:51] <lifeless> bzr will be reasonably efficient at incremental backups.
[23:51] <lifeless> What I'm describing will get all the revisions
[23:52] <lifeless> you can use your rsync of the per-branch directories to grab them and their metadata.
[23:54] <jimis> so I'll clone lp:gcc on my backup server, and then only rsync my branch subdirs, ignoring root .bzr.
[23:54] <jimis> Right?


[15:15] <dholbach> hey mhall119
[15:15] <dholbach> dpm said there were some deployment issues?
[15:16] <mhall119> dholbach: yeah, the make migrate-${mp#} failed
[15:16] <mhall119> not deployment, just testing the upgrade locally
[15:16] <dholbach> do you have a log?
[15:16] <mhall119> no, but I can re-create it
[15:16] <dholbach> that'd be great
[15:16] <mhall119> are you working today? I thought you were visiting friends
[15:17] <dholbach> I'm working, but from Lisa's sister's place :)
[15:17] <mhall119> or are they all still asleep?
[15:17] <dholbach> they are still asleep
[15:17] <mhall119> :)
[15:17] <dholbach> but me being somewhat jetlagged still, I decided to start working early :)
[15:18] <dholbach> and I had a call with dpm at 7 in the calendar which we didn't cancel beforehand, so I thought "whatever, let's start working" :)
[15:18] <mhall119> you need to work on this whole "going on holiday thing"
[15:19] <dholbach> we were at the beach with the kids for the majority of the weekend - I'm fine :)
[15:19] <mhall119> ok, let me re-run it and I'll pastebin you the output
[15:19] <dholbach> awesome, thanks
[15:44] <mhall119> dholbach: so I'm trying with a clean environemnt this time (no virtualenv, no pip-cache) and it's failing to install Django==1.8.5 because it's not in the pip-cache
[15:44] <dholbach> ok... so that's easily fixed
[15:44] <dholbach> I'm surprised it's 1.8.5
[15:45] <dholbach> which version of the branch are you looking at?
[15:45] <mhall119> yeah, but pip-cache-revno.txt didn't get updated to point to the newest rev of the dependencies branch
[15:46] <dholbach> can you maybe just do a local pip update and see if that makes it work?
[15:46] <dholbach> I never quite understood what to do with the pip caches, it'd be good to rule out that the branch itself is broken somehow
[15:46] <mhall119> I'm updating the pip-cache-revno.txt to 20
[15:46] <dholbach> and which branch and revno is the project itself?
[15:47] <dholbach> just so I can replicate what you look at locally
[15:48] <mhall119> one second, that terminal is busy
[15:48] <mhall119> I had to re-apply the changes that davidcalle reverted from the branch
[15:49] <mhall119> because it won't let me merge it, since it's already in trunk's revision history
[15:49] <mhall119> maybe there was something newer after that revision that I was missing
[15:49] <mhall119> do you know of a way to force a merge that's already happened in the past?
[15:51] <dholbach> so revert the revert davidcalle did?
[15:53] <mhall119> yeah
[15:53] <dholbach> bzr revert --no-backup -r <revno>?
[15:54] <mhall119> ok, updating the pip-cache-revno.txt fixed the issue of installing Django==1.8.5
[15:55] <dholbach> which branch (in LP) are you looking at?
[15:55] <mhall119> lp:developer-ubuntu-com
[15:56] <mhall119> rev 188
[15:56] <dholbach> ok... because https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-1.8-cms-2.3 is already updated to Django==1.8.8
[15:56] <dholbach> the latter already has a bunch of other fixes landed
[15:56] <dholbach> and https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/rework-importer has changes on top of that (mostly concerning the importer though)
[15:57] <dholbach> I never figured out which process we use for reviewing and landing things
[15:59] <mhall119> dholbach: so I was trying to apply https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/1470715/+merge/268471
[15:59] <mhall119> is there a different branch I should be merging into trunk instead?
[16:00] <dholbach> I don't quite know what davidcalle had in mind
[16:00] <dholbach> ~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-1.8-cms-2.3 is an evolution of ~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/1470715
[16:00]  * davidcalle catches up
[16:00] <dholbach> and ~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/rework-importer has the importer rewrite on top of that
[16:01] <dholbach> so I'd say let's go with the latter
[16:01] <dholbach> davidcalle said he had reviewed most of the changes already
[16:01] <mhall119> ok, but I can't simply merge ~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/1470715 into trunk anymore
[16:02] <mhall119> and your revert command undid a bunch of other things related to api docs importing
[16:02] <dholbach> mhall119: I think that's because it has been merged already and was partly backed out, etc
[16:02] <mhall119> yeah, it's become a revision history mess
[16:02] <dholbach> I'd ignore the branch
[16:02] <davidcalle> And +1 ing it, indeed. So: my idea was to merge rework-importer into django-1.8-cms-2.3, then merge the latter into trunk
[16:03] <davidcalle> mhall119: dholbach: is there something blocking that "plan"?
[16:03] <dholbach> WFM!
[16:03] <mhall119> davidcalle: if django-1.8-cms-2.3 is based on 1470715, then you're going to have a bad time merging it into trunk
[16:03] <davidcalle> Hmm
[16:03] <dholbach> in the future (once we have smaller proposed changes again), I'd really like it if we had a more formal way of landing things... or at least a way how I can say "here's a change, please let's review, test and land it together" - I'd be happy to help with reviewing other branches as well... I'd just feel more comfortable that way
[16:03] <davidcalle> +1
[16:03] <dholbach> mhall119: I think it should be fine to merge it
[16:04] <mhall119> ok, jumping on a call, then I'll try that
[16:04] <dholbach> <3
[16:09] <dholbach> ok, looks like there's conflicts when trying to merge django-1.8-cms-2.3 and trunk
[16:09] <dholbach> if you want, I can try to merge trunk into the latter and resolve things?
[16:16] <dholbach> resolving the conflicts was fine, but the changes are huge...
[16:16] <dholbach> davidcalle: ^
[16:17] <dholbach> ho hum
[16:17] <davidcalle> dholbach: other changes than the general upgrade?
[16:17] <dholbach> that seems to drop a lot of required changes for the upgrade
[16:18] <dholbach> I just tried to update the django-1.8-cms-2.3 branch with what happened in trunk in the meantime
[16:18] <dholbach> I'll be back in a bit for the team call
[16:20] <davidcalle> dholbach: I only see a few conflicts on my end, hmm
[16:28] <davidcalle> Sorry, misread what you wrote
[16:31] <dholbach> I guess we'll have to just merge django-1.8-cms-2.3 into trunk and then apply a few changes to resolve the conflicts
[16:31] <dholbach> I can put up a diff in a few
[16:31] <dholbach> do we do the team call?
[16:37] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'm on the call :)
[16:37] <dholbach> ...now? :)
[18:29] <dholbach> mhall119: so if you merge the django-1.8 branch into trunk, this is the diff after resolving conflicts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14568773/
[18:29] <dholbach> maybe we can do that as a first step before we land the importer on top?
[19:21] <mhall119> dholbach: so do I merge first and then apply that diff, or just apply that diff directly, or just merge?
[19:23] <dholbach> hang on
[19:23] <dholbach> mhall119: first do the merge and watch it fail
[19:24] <dholbach> then apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/14569342/
[19:24] <dholbach> and run: bzr resolve
[19:25] <mhall119> whee, fun, ok let me try
[19:25] <dholbach> that should complete the merge
[19:32] <mhall119> yup, applied fully, re-building a local environment now
[19:32] <dholbach> <3
[19:33]  * mhall119 isn't used to dholbach being around after lunchtime here
[19:33] <dholbach> :)
[19:56] <mhall119> dholbach: there's no update-1470715 make target after doing the above, is it still needed?
[19:56] <dholbach> no, not really
[19:57] <dholbach> we need to run a migration step, but that should be it
[20:02] <mhall119> what's the proper command for that step?
[20:03] <mhall119> and do I need to do the first two steps from https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/1470715/+merge/268471 ?
[20:10] <dholbach> mhall119: ./manage.py migrate?
[20:10] <dholbach> the first commands would be good to run on the real site
[20:17] <mhall119> There is no South database module 'south.db.sqlite3' for your database. Please either choose a supported database, check for SOUTH_DATABASE_ADAPTER[S] settings, or remove South from INSTALLED_APPS
[20:18] <mhall119> it doesn't look like the merge+patch made the necessary changes to developer_portal/settings.py
[20:21] <dholbach> hum
[20:21] <dholbach> developer_portal/settings.py is unmodified?
[22:03] <mhall119> dholbach: there was a couple changes in your patch diff, but nothing to move away from south and mptt and such
[23:22] <dholbach> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-1.8-cms-2.3/view/head:/developer_portal/settings.py does not have "south" in it
[23:24] <mhall119> well I didn't get those changes when I merged it into trunk, so it was probably in one of the revisions that was merged and then backed out on the other branch
[23:30] <dholbach> ugh
[23:30] <dholbach> ok...
[23:30] <dholbach> I don't know - how do we want to proceed
[23:30] <dholbach> do you want to push these changes to trunk and we work on trunk together to resolve this?
[23:31] <dholbach> it can't be too many changes until we get it to work again
[23:34] <dholbach> mhall119: ^
[23:35] <mhall119> I really don't want to break trunk
[23:35] <mhall119> and while there may be only a few changes to get it working, it's finding out what those changes are that might take a while
[23:40] <dholbach> ok
[23:40] <mhall119> dholbach: can you try rebasing the 1.8 branch on trunk?
[23:41] <mhall119> using bzr rebase?
[23:41] <dholbach> or we just create a soon-trunk branch
[23:41] <dholbach> and work on that until it's fully working
[23:41] <dholbach> I don't care
[23:41] <dholbach> I never used bzr rebase
[23:41] <mhall119> we could do that too
[23:41] <mhall119> either way would fix our revision history problem I think
[23:41] <dholbach> ok - can you push your changes to lp:~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/soon-trunk?
[23:42] <mhall119> yeah, one second
[23:42] <dholbach> rock and roll
[23:43]  * mhall119 really isn't used to dholbach being around after 5pm his time
[23:43] <dholbach> sorry about that
[23:43] <mhall119> it's like the whole world is backwards
[23:43] <dholbach> yeah, I know :)
[23:43] <mhall119> branch pushed
[23:45] <dholbach> thanks
[23:45] <dholbach> looking at it now
[23:55] <dholbach> mhall119: I picked a bunch of changes from the branch, here's what's left: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14571488/
[23:55] <dholbach> or maybe I should rather say "where the 1.8 branch and trunk diverge"
[23:56] <dholbach> some of the changes are fine and things you recently introduced in trunk
[23:58] <mhall119> anything related to API docs importation should take what's in trunk
[23:58] <mhall119> and all the po files can just be re-generated
[23:59] <dholbach> updated: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14571528/


[13:40] <rvr> Hi :)
[13:41] <dpm> hey rvr :)
[13:41] <dpm> hi Gwaihir, around?
[13:44] <dpm> Gwaihir, whenever you're online, a quick question: we're trying to release OTA10 for the phone, which came with new strings that have some suggestions that need review in Italian. If you've got some time, do you think you could either have a look at them or point the Italian translators to them?
[13:44] <dpm> They're: https://translations.launchpad.net/unity8/trunk/+pots/unity8/it/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=translated
[13:44] <dpm> And https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+source/indicator-session/+pots/indicator-session/it/+translate?show=untranslated
[13:44] <dpm> thanks!
[13:49] <nerochiaro> dpm: hi
[15:57] <rvr> nerochiaro: dpm asked Gwaihir to approve your translations as soon as he's available
[15:57] <nerochiaro> and hopefully check them before
[15:58] <rvr> Yeah


[05:35] <Guest9648> hi
[06:28] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:29] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:29] <Vince-0> G'day
[07:07] <magespawn> good morning
[07:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:10] <magespawn> bit hectic about the water Kilos
[07:10] <Kilos> yeah
[07:11] <Kilos> lotsa towns/cities are having probs. tv shows often the abuse
[07:12] <Kilos> no maintenace. forgetting to add chemicals or not bothering. etc etc
[07:13] <Kilos> more fun to watch tv at work than do what you are paid to do
[07:13] <Kilos> grrr
[07:14] <magespawn> mercury is extremely serious though, not something to mess about with
[07:22] <Kilos> yip bad poison to peeps
[07:24] <magespawn> from what i am reading here, looks like the easiest way it gets into your system is through contaminated foods such fish, or through vegetables that are watered with mercury water
[07:25] <magespawn> does not look like you absorb too much if you drink the water, do not see anything yet referencing cooking
[07:25] <Kilos> im sure its because the water isnt purified properly
[07:25] <magespawn> also largely depends what form it is in
[07:26] <Kilos> the water is supposed to go through a process from dam to dam but they showed some that have been bypassed and others just sludge with no machine stirring even anymore
[07:26] <magespawn> maybe but comes from lots of sources such as landfills and power stations, batteries, flourescent globes
[07:27] <Kilos> yeah its in everywhere but supoosed to be purified
[07:28] <Kilos> they have showed some shoccking shows on carte blance and them other investigative programs
[07:28] <Kilos> i forget the names
[07:29] <Kilos> excuse the typos. no good head day
[07:29] <magespawn> no worries
[07:30] <magespawn> we all do typos
[07:30] <Kilos> ya but i normally try fix them before entering
[07:31] <Kilos> other wise the spell checker pops up
[07:31] <Kilos> called raoul\
[07:31]  * Kilos ducks
[07:43] <magespawn> lol
[07:44] <magespawn> you are safe for now, he is away
[07:45] <Kilos> oh ya even forgot to look at that
[07:45] <Kilos> whew
[08:58] <magespawn> I think this is a IPv6 address with a port number [2001:0db8:3c4d:0012:0000:0000:1234:56ab]/80 as opposed to IPv4 <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[08:59] <magespawn> think i got that right
[09:00] <magespawn> you can also shorten the IPv6 Address like so 2001:0db8:3c4d:0012::1234:56ab by taking out the two sets of zeros
[09:04] <magespawn> gotta go see y'all later
[09:14] <Kilos> k
[09:45] <Kilos> hi zeref
[15:19] <deegee_1> o/
[16:38] <Kilos> deegee_1, woo
[16:38] <Kilos> wb
[16:40] <deegee_1> hi Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[16:40] <Kilos> and superfly
[16:40] <Vince-0> hi'
[16:41] <deegee_1> Kilos: i got 3 .flv vids so far on quickly...
[16:42] <Kilos> wow
[16:42] <deegee_1> around 100 mb's in total
[16:42] <Kilos> ouch
[16:42] <Kilos> how do i get them?
[16:43] <Kilos> or convert them to a mobile format
[16:43] <deegee_1> you got a dropbox or some place where i can drop em off for ya?
[16:43] <deegee_1> format type?
[16:43] <Kilos> oh ya ubuntuone
[16:43] <Kilos> but i forgot about it an install back so will need to setup again
[16:44] <Kilos> i use mmediac
[16:44] <deegee_1> will hear from you then
[16:44] <deegee_1> is that a media format?
[16:44] <Kilos> got many formats. i dont know which is the smallest video one
[16:44] <Kilos> mmediac is a converter you can install
[16:44] <Kilos> same a mmc
[16:45] <Kilos> mobile media converter
[16:45] <charl_> good evening
[16:45] <charl_> hi Kilos
[16:45] <Kilos> deegee
[16:45] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/mmediac
[16:45] <Kilos> hi charl
[16:45] <deegee_1> hmm ... is that the best format?
[16:45] <deegee_1> ok
[16:46]  * deegee_1 looks into the request
[16:46] <Kilos> songs i convert to amr without losing quality
[16:46] <Kilos> and 1/4 to 1/2 the sze
[16:46] <deegee_1> mp4 bad for ya?
[16:47] <Kilos> anything smaller than wav is good
[16:47] <Kilos> hehe
[16:47] <Kilos> vlc can play mp4 here i think
[16:47] <deegee_1> hi charl_
[16:47] <Kilos> havent had one yet
[16:47] <deegee_1> it can
[16:47] <Kilos> but mp3 works kiff
[16:48]  * deegee_1 uses vlc if all media player fails...
[16:48] <Kilos> ah i use vlc all the time
[16:48] <Kilos> dont like any other players
[16:48] <Kilos> even on winsucks
[16:49] <deegee_1> o/ noted
[16:49] <deegee_1> mkv also plays on vlc
[16:49] <superfly> ohi
[16:49] <Kilos> aw didnt even have ubuntuone installed here yet
[16:50]  * deegee_1 is watching "Cracked season1 episode4" ...
[16:51] <superfly> deegee_1: Kilos's biggest problem is that he is on a 3G connection and doesn't have the money to pay for large downloads
[16:51] <deegee_1> ok Kilos, will see what can be done from my side
[16:51] <deegee_1> superfly: thank you kindly 4 da info
[16:51]  * deegee_1 notes superfly's point
[16:53] <deegee_1> can't we (ubuntu-za) have a shared file location perhaps?
[16:53] <deegee_1> some place ...
[16:58] <Kilos> deegee_1, must i make a deegee folder there on ubuntuone
[16:58] <Kilos> ive fogotten how to use the thing
[16:58] <Kilos> not a good head day
[16:59] <Kilos> or is dropbox better
[16:59] <deegee_1> not sure Kilos, but find out first. otherwise it might be a security risk on your side...
[17:00] <deegee_1> rather let's find out first and be sure of what we are doing
[17:00] <Kilos> i think i had both before
[17:01]  * deegee_1 will compress the files or post the resource url
[17:01] <Kilos> then i can wget it?
[17:01] <Kilos> thats better
[17:01] <deegee_1> yes
[17:01] <Kilos> greta
[17:01] <deegee_1> i think so too
[17:01] <Kilos> great too
[17:01] <Kilos> ty
[17:01] <deegee_1> :-)
[17:04] <Kilos> ty superfly
[17:07] <deegee_1> superfly: have you used kickstart files or using them?
[17:07] <superfly> deegee_1: nope
[17:08] <deegee_1> ok tnx
[17:16] <deegee_1> ok, getting ready for soccer now. preping for braai & some fun.... l8r guys...
[17:19] <Kilos> hi smile stranger
[17:19] <Cantide> Kilos, smile  o/
[17:19] <Kilos> enjoy deegee_1
[17:19] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[17:19] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[17:19] <smile> hi Cantide :)
[17:19] <smile> I'm moving back to Ubuntu
[17:19]  * deegee_1 says "sore dewa" for now ...
[17:19] <smile> :p
[17:19] <Kilos> smile, where you been the pro was looking for you
[17:20] <Cantide> '-';;
[17:20] <Kilos> good smile ubuntu rocks
[17:20] <Cantide> smile, back to Ubuntu.. from?
[17:20] <smile> from bodhi linux, Cantide :p
[17:20] <Cantide> oh :)
[17:20] <Cantide> right :)
[17:20] <smile> Kilos: I broke my little finger :p
[17:20] <Cantide> it uses Enlightenment, right?
[17:20] <smile> I couldn't type
[17:20] <smile> yes, Cantide :p
[17:20] <Cantide> i think you told us about it before '-';
[17:21] <smile> But I would like to have a solid environment :)
[17:21] <smile> with no crashes, lol :p
[17:21] <smile> or segmentation faults
[17:21] <smile> and I like unity :)
[17:21] <Kilos> 12.04 runs very stable. not sure of later release
[17:21] <smile> I'm using 12.04 now ;)
[17:22] <Kilos> unity isnt bad
[17:22] <smile> 12.10 was very poor on my hardware :p
[17:22] <Kilos> ah
[17:22] <deegee_1> out.
[17:22] <smile> but I'm sure it will improve :)
[17:22] <Cantide> yeah
[17:22]  * smile jumps onto the next LTS if it's good
[17:22] <Cantide> i'm also on 12.04
[17:25] <smile> :)
[17:25]  * smile reboots
[17:25]  * smile has everything that he wants to keep from his bodhi install
[17:25] <smile> :p
[17:25] <smile> Ubuntu is already installed, so it just needs a reboot and I'm back in my keyboard friendly Ubuntu :)
[17:25] <smile> c.u. :)
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe kids
[17:27] <smile> :)
[17:27]  * smile loves quick reboots
[17:27] <smile> :)
[17:57] <charl_> hi smile
[17:57] <charl_> how's it going
[17:57] <smile> hi charl_ :) did you miss me?
[17:57] <smile> I'm fine thanks
[17:57] <smile> and you?
[17:58] <charl_> i'm good, very good
[17:58] <smile> :D
[17:58] <charl_> yeah i'm not on irc much anymore
[17:58] <smile> tell me, what's the reason for being in such a good mood ;)
[17:59] <charl_> heh :) nothing much really, i guess because i see spring is slowly coming
[17:59] <smile> yeah :)
[17:59] <charl_> days are already much longer
[17:59] <smile> that's a good sign
[17:59] <smile> ;)
[17:59] <charl_> did you see this? http://tweakers.net/video/7172/schoonmaakrobot-tu-delft-rekent-af-met-blik.html
[18:00] <charl_> very cool
[18:01] <charl_> to think they built this in 8 weeks... not bad
[18:01] <smile> I didn't (yet) :p
[18:01]  * smile looks
[18:02] <smile> Helaas, je  browser ondersteunt geen flash of H264 video's. Gebruik voor het  afspelen van de video een andere browser, bijvoorbeeld Google Chrome.
[18:02] <smile> grr :p
[18:02] <charl_> bah!
[18:02]  * smile launches chrome
[18:02] <charl_> tweakers needs to implement html video :)
[18:03] <charl_> just out of interest, which browser do you normally use?
[18:04] <smile> firefox :D
[18:04] <charl_> ah ok
[18:04] <smile> without flash support :)
[18:04] <charl_> a good thing
[18:04] <smile> yeah
[18:04] <smile> firefox doesn't crash
[18:05] <smile> :)
[18:05] <smile> interesting, charl_
[18:05] <smile> :p
[18:07] <smile> do you use firefox too? :p
[18:10] <charl_> no i actually have been defaulting to chromium the last couple of years
[18:10] <charl_> although i still use firefox on occasion but mostly for testin
[18:10] <charl_> *testing
[18:13] <smile> :)
[18:13] <smile> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/734679_485284271527650_1977303925_n.jpg <- lol!
[18:14] <charl_> haha
[18:15] <smile> charl_: you too? :p
[18:15] <charl_> no can't say i've ever done that
[18:15] <charl_> but i did laugh when i saw the irish me gusta http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Megusta_6339c1_2159023.jpg
[18:16] <charl_> "is maith liom"
[18:18] <charl_> the other day i saw this, also had to laugh: http://nedermeme.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/nederland-beste-land3.jpg
[18:19] <smile> haha :)
[18:19] <smile> * 1.5.2 - support for Tweakers.net <- just now :D
[18:19] <smile> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/152755 :p
[18:20] <charl_> oh yes i hate those
[18:21] <smile> charl_: well, install tampermonkey + that script and you're ready to go ;)
[18:24] <charl_> oh no, i started going through the nedermeme site, what?! http://nedermeme.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/hondjewoef.jpg
[18:24] <charl_> lemme go make dinner instead :)
[18:25] <smile> eat 'em :p
[18:25] <smile> dinner, i mean
[18:25] <smile> :)
[18:25] <charl_> yes not the pills :)
[18:25] <charl_> i will also take a pill afterwards.... a multi vitamin :)
[18:28] <smile> :)
[18:59] <inetpro> good evening folks
[18:59] <Kilos> yo inetpro
[18:59] <Kilos> did you get the message?
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: message?
[19:00] <Kilos> you can have water tested at the pathologists by any hospital
[19:00] <inetpro> 01/02 18:03:07 <Kilos> dont you use borehole water inetpro
[19:00] <inetpro> oh that
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess I shall have to find out where
[19:01] <charl_> hi inetpro
[19:01] <Kilos> did you see they found mercury in pta's water as well
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: where did you hear that?
[19:02] <Kilos> id rather drink youre borehole water
[19:02] <Kilos> sister heard it on one of these chat radios
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: if only people could be open and honest about these things
[19:03] <Kilos> yeah
[19:03] <inetpro> it's very easy to spread rumours
[19:03] <inetpro> rumors*
[19:03] <inetpro> define rumors
[19:04] <inetpro> oops
[19:04] <Kilos> them things ya
[19:04] <Kilos> ou
[19:04] <inetpro> Maaz: define rumors
[19:04] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't know about rumors. Maybe you meant Rumor or rumor?
[19:04] <inetpro> Maaz: define rumor
[19:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Rumor \Ru"mor\, n. [F. rumeur, L. rumor; cf. rumificare, rumitare to rumor, Skr. ru to cry.] [Written also {rumour}.] 1. A flying or popular report; the common talk; hence, public fame; notoriety. [1913 Webster]  This rumor of him went forth throughout all Judea, and throughout all the region round about. --Luke vii. 17. [1913 Webster]  Great is the rumor
[19:04] <Maaz> of this dreadful knight. --Shak. [1913 Webster]  2. A current story passing from one pers…
[19:04] <Kilos> spell man
[19:04] <Kilos> oh my
[19:04] <inetpro> rumors is correct
[19:04] <Kilos> i thought it was rumour
[19:05] <Kilos> Maaz, spell rumour
[19:05] <Maaz> Kilos: That seems correct. Carry on
[19:05] <charl_> you have to ask how the murcury got into the water in the first place
[19:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:05] <inetpro> Maaz: define rumour
[19:05] <Maaz> inetpro: Rumor \Ru"mor\, n. [F. rumeur, L. rumor; cf. rumificare, rumitare to rumor, Skr. ru to cry.] [Written also {rumour}.] 1. A flying or popular report; the common talk; hence, public fame; notoriety. [1913 Webster]  This rumor of him went forth throughout all Judea, and throughout all the region round about. --Luke vii. 17. [1913 Webster]  Great is the rumor
[19:05] <Maaz> of this dreadful knight. --Shak. [1913 Webster]  2. A current story passing from one pers…
[19:05] <charl_> that doesn't just happen by accident
[19:05] <inetpro> hmm... same thing
[19:05] <inetpro> charl_: but it wasn't in the news
[19:05] <charl_> inetpro: and you trust the news? :)
[19:06] <Kilos> eeeek
[19:06] <inetpro> charl_: no but I trust that there will be several people who will test these things
[19:06] <charl_> yeah there should be
[19:06] <Kilos> news is there to hide mistakes
[19:06] <charl_> isn't there a regulating body?
[19:06] <charl_> they should do it routinely in any case
[19:06] <Kilos> inetpro, liten to me
[19:07] <Kilos> go test your borehole water
[19:07] <Kilos> then leave town water for bathing the dog
[19:07] <inetpro> I'm sure they actually still do it, but there is probably a certain amount of sloppiness
[19:07] <Kilos> and water the dubbletjies
[19:08] <inetpro> and massive lack of maintenance
[19:08] <Kilos> ya
[19:08] <charl_> if you get water from a borehole you should definitely test it yourself
[19:08] <charl_> or purify it very thoroughly
[19:08] <Kilos> and poor condition filtration plants and dams
[19:09] <Kilos> borehole water is safe 90% of the time
[19:09] <Kilos> other times its not lekker
[19:09] <inetpro> our water quality in the north where I stay has been of a very high quality so far
[19:09] <inetpro> until now
[19:09] <inetpro> north of Pretoria
[19:09] <Kilos> yp inetpro it just takes one slacker to mess up other peeps good work
[19:09] <inetpro> even now I can not taste anything bad
[19:10] <charl_> well taste is not a test :)
[19:10] <Kilos> oh not green anymore?
[19:10] <inetpro> but I just noticed the greenness on Sunday last week
[19:10] <Kilos> lolol
[19:10] <Kilos> green rice and pap
[19:10] <charl_> there are a lot of poisonous elements that have little taste
[19:10] <charl_> but it's good for an initial estimate :)
[19:10] <inetpro> charl_: sure
[19:11] <charl_> good evening all, enjoy the rest of your weekend!
[19:12] <inetpro> charl_: but in the city centre the taste of water is really not good at times
[19:12] <Kilos> hes gone man
[19:12] <Kilos> ai!
[19:13] <inetpro> and in Sunnyside where I used to live some years ago the water always had this funny taste
[19:13] <inetpro> ai!
[19:13] <Kilos> test you borehole water
[19:13] <Kilos> all i wanna hear from you is tested and approved as good
[19:13] <inetpro> the only time that my dad ever drank coffee was when he came for a visit in Pretoria
[19:14] <inetpro> coffee was the only acceptable form of drinking the water
[19:14] <inetpro> for him
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: should I go now?
[19:15] <Kilos> shame
[19:15] <Kilos> not right now but monday
[19:15] <inetpro> lol
[19:15] <inetpro> ya baas
[19:15] <Kilos> must be a hospital with pathologists near by
[19:15] <Kilos> ya acasia
[19:16] <Kilos> otherwise how was your day laddy
[19:16] <inetpro> Lancet Laboratories, Wes Street Medical Centre, Cnr West & Rachel De Beer
[19:16]  * inetpro will have to find out
[19:17] <inetpro> or Ampath - Pretoria North Depot, Suite 5a Johan Scholtz Centre, 255 Burger Street
[19:17] <Kilos> see its not so difficult
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: my day was nice and relaxing with family and friends
[19:18] <Kilos> good
[19:18] <Kilos> so for once you arent tired
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: Inorganic mercury is the most common form that is present in drinking water but is not considered to be very harmful to human health
[19:19] <Kilos> sigh
[19:19] <Kilos> test your water
[19:19] <inetpro> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> kinda crazy anyway paying for town water when you have your own
[19:20] <inetpro> ai!
[19:20] <Kilos> and green rice and pap is weird
[19:20] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[19:21] <inetpro> wb smile
[19:21] <Kilos> lol hi smile
[19:21] <inetpro> smile: how's the finger?
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe he has a broken pinkie so cant type
[19:22] <inetpro> you can type without your pinkie man
[19:22] <Kilos> hehe
[19:25] <smile> inetpro: better :D
[19:25] <inetpro> good
[19:25] <smile> no Kilos, but my arm was in gips :p
[19:25] <Kilos> you have 2 hands smile
[19:25] <smile> plaster, whatever you want to call it :p
[19:25] <Kilos> no excuse
[19:26] <inetpro> smile: I was looking for you in the week
[19:26] <smile> i only had my left hand back then :(
[19:26] <smile> = too slow
[19:26] <smile> inetpro: cool, did you miss me ;)
[19:26] <Kilos> speed of typing is of no importance on irc
[19:26]  * inetpro struggled to find Afrikaans articles about annorexia or bolemia
[19:27] <Kilos> eeek who has that inetpro
[19:27] <inetpro> smile: I was hoping that you could tell me about some of your sources for information
[19:27] <Kilos> tie them down and forcefeed
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: no, it was a topic for a school task
[19:28] <Kilos> we even mailed you smile
[19:28] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:28] <smile> inetpro: afrikaans sources? :)
[19:28] <smile> Kilos: mailed?? :p
[19:28] <Kilos> email twit
[19:28] <inetpro> smile: yes
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: I didn't mail
[19:29] <inetpro> did you?
[19:29] <Kilos> im sure i did
[19:30] <Kilos> maybe i just gave you the addy
[19:30] <smile> inetpro: www.praag.co.za (down now, lol)
[19:30] <Kilos> ai!
[19:30] <smile> nuus24 :p
[19:30] <smile> http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuisblad :p
[19:30] <smile> https://www.facebook.com/raymond.greenberg.9
[19:30] <smile> :p
[19:31] <smile> and some other sites that I don't know by heart :p
[19:33] <smile> good night, inetpro & Kilos
[19:33] <smile> :)
[19:33] <Kilos> night smile sleep tight
[19:33] <Kilos> mind you dont break a leg
[19:34] <smile> thanks Kilos :)
[19:34] <smile> Kilos: yeah, I'll pay attention
[19:34] <smile> ;)
[19:34] <inetpro> smile: thanks, good night
[19:34] <Kilos> dont fall outa bed
[19:34] <smile> lol, Kilos :p
[19:34] <Kilos> hehe
[19:34] <smile> ^^
[19:34] <smile> same for you, Kilos :p
[19:34] <smile> inetpro:  yw
[19:35] <Kilos> die kinders
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro, arent there any online libraries
[19:36] <Kilos> biblioteek goet
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me if you find them
[19:36] <Kilos> ai
[19:36] <Kilos> i asked you
[19:36] <Kilos> eki sukkel darem
[19:37] <inetpro> lol
[19:42] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight


[00:12] <KillerKiwi2005> Whats the correct way for a deb to add a user to the fuse group??
[00:15] <slangasek> "not"? :)  why do you need to do this?
[00:23] <minghua> Shouldn't the primary user (created during installation) already be in fuse group anyway?
[00:30] <KillerKiwi2005> The application needs fuse to work...
[03:03] <Mez> how do I get a kernel config in the right place (saying that theres no config.mk)
[04:28] <mgunes> are there plans to ship an svn snapshot of Network Manager 0.7 if 0.7 final isn't released in time for Hardy, or is the fallback plan to ship 0.6.5? I haven't found any relevant info in the nm-ifupdown-death-match blueprint.
[04:30] <LaserJock> I'm guessing that might be determined at FeatureFreeze
[04:31] <nixternal> boo
[04:33] <articpenguin3800> why is ext3 default
[04:33] <ToyKeeper> ... tradition, and because it's probably the most reliable and well-supported linux filesystem...
[04:34] <ToyKeeper> With indexing enabled, it performs on par with xfs or reiser3 most of the time too.  :)
[04:35] <articpenguin3800> well in my testing of the 4 filesystems reiserfs and xfs crapped out and ext3 insisted on doing fsck 5 times and jfs just started right up
[04:35] <articpenguin3800> ext3 also fragments more than jfs and xfs
[04:36] <ToyKeeper> I'm pretty fond of xfs.
[04:38] <articpenguin3800> well with ext3 striving to be one of those safety filesystems it has since reached the point where it dosent have the speed to do what i need
[04:38] <ToyKeeper> ... been using it since it was a new feature in IRIX, and it hasn't ever given me a problem.  :)
[04:38] <LaserJock> articpenguin3800: you are welcome to use another filesystem :-)
[04:39] <mgunes> LaserJock, thanks
[04:39] <ToyKeeper> Heh, choice isn't exactly lacking in Linux.  :)
[04:41] <articpenguin3800> do all filesystems slow down at 50% space usage?
[04:41]  * ToyKeeper shuts down to pour wax all over his notebook
[04:42] <LaserJock> articpenguin3800: I've never heard of that before
[04:49] <articpenguin3800> well i have mostly tested ext3 and jfs on a 500GB partiton and JFS seems to complete operations faster than ext3. I find JFS does allocate files better too.
[04:49] <articpenguin3800> bye!
[06:29] <warp10> Good morning
[07:44] <pwnguin> does sourceforge have a feature to view source by commits hiding somewhere?
[07:49] <crimsun> pwnguin: viewvc does.
[07:54] <pwnguin> i guess this depends on whether the archive is cvs or svn, but i'd like a whole commit concept
[11:44] <\sh> doko, ping crystalspace...you wrote  Configure --without-java --disable-separate-debug-info, while --disable-separate-debug-info is configured correctly, the configure flag for --without-java is commented in...what's the truth? ,)
[12:10] <pitti> keescook: btw, did you test it on amd64, or on i386, too? it doesn't seem to affect amd64
[12:56] <geser> will debhelper 6 make it into hardy soon or should packages depending on it be changed to only need debhelper 5?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> we have debhelper 6 now?
[13:00] <minghua> Yes, since a few days ago.
[13:00]  * Hobbsee looks for the changelog
[13:00] <geser> Hobbsee: Debian has and the first packages start to build-depending on it
[13:02] <Hobbsee> neat
[13:05] <pitti> as long as it's fully backward compatible, I don't think that it is unreasonable to merge
[13:09] <ion_> What’s new in debhelper 6? (I can just google it a bit later, but in case anyone feels like paraphrasing...)
[16:17] <tostado> hi I'm installing feisty with FAI, and have console/font problems with german environment
[16:17] <tostado> can someone help me out ?
[16:18] <\sh> hint regarding tostados question: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup was already successful, but it looks like that he is missing some fonts or console font package somehow...
[16:18] <\sh> re tostado ;)
[16:18] <tostado> re \sh
[16:19] <tostado> \sh: http://www.staz.be/wiki/FAI_Gutsy
[16:20] <tostado> thats what i was looking for
[16:21] <\sh> tostado, oh...yepp..that's working indeed
[16:29] <tostado> \sh: we tried that and it didn't worked but we didn't spend much time in it - first we want to have a good feisty install and then we see...
[16:30] <tostado> hmm.... nowbody have an idea how to get german environment on the console from scratch ?
[16:31] <tostado> ok i try at #ubuntu
[16:47] <jdong> can I poke an archive admin to clear binary NEW, particularly mpeg4ip?
[16:48] <jdong> yeah I know it's the weekend :)
[18:28] <\sh> infinity, ping gnubiff ... you exchanged libfam to libgamin during breezy cycle...debian upstream doesn't want to go with this change.. what would you propose for hardy? fam or gamin?
[18:31] <mjg59> gamin
[18:33] <\sh> mjg59, thx...
[18:48] <Robot101> \sh: fam is loss
[18:48] <\sh> Robot101, well, then I wonder why debian maintainer doesn't want to change
[18:49] <Robot101> he's not qualified to do his job, he's just the first person who saw the package on freshmeat.net and filed an ITP? :P
[18:49] <Robot101> or is that me being overly cynical... :)
[18:49] <\sh> hehe