[15:25] <BlouBlou> is it possible to get a ubuntu cloak? I have launchpad since 2007 >> https://launchpad.net/~bloublou
[15:26] <arand> You need to be an ubuntu member for a cloak, si that the case?
[15:26] <BlouBlou> well, then how to be a ubuntu member, that was my question
[15:26] <arand> !member
[15:29] <BlouBlou> interesting
[15:29] <BlouBlou> okay, thanks for info
[16:07] <Tm_T> ^
[18:52] <nhandler> /64/66


[15:23] <pedro_> does anybody knows what's the mirror used for Maverick ARM port?
[16:09] <ogra_> pedro_, you should have asked in #ubuntu-arm ... i dont monitor this channel very often :) ... its ports.ubuntu.com, but maverick is EOL
[16:10] <ogra_> oh, no, it isnt, ignore me ...
[17:19] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've run into bug 844103
[17:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 844103 in gdm (Ubuntu) "/sbin not in $PATH (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844103
[17:20] <pedro_> bdmurray, why you're not using lightdm? :-P
[17:21] <bdmurray> pedro_: because I wanted to ensure that gdm was getting tested! ;-)
[17:21] <pedro_> heh :-P


[00:00] <sbeattie> Here's an img of the screen artifact I saw: http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/screenshot-intrepid-artifact-small.jpg
[00:00] <sbeattie> Machine looks to have locked up. :-(
[00:01] <LaserJock> sbeattie: yep, mine was the same, slightly different position (mine was a tad to the right)
[00:08] <sbeattie> Mmm, how much ram are you giving your VMs?
[00:09] <sbeattie> I got my crash machine to boot, but it has 1GB of RAM. top shows it using over 400MB though.
[00:09] <stgraber> my VMs have 2GB
[00:10] <sbeattie> My vmware image I had only given it 384MB...
[00:10] <sbeattie> stgraber: really? You must have gobs of ram.
[00:12] <stgraber> I have 4GB on my lappy :)
[00:13] <LaserJock> I give mine 400-500MB
[00:14] <stgraber> when I want really fast testing I just put the HDD image and the ISO on a ramdisk and assign 512MB to the machine (and I still have some 1GB remaining)
[00:14] <stgraber> copying things from RAM to RAM is uhm ... fast :)
[00:16] <LaserJock> pfft
[00:28] <slangasek> stgraber: daily/20080710.1
[00:29] <slangasek> stgraber: if you find that it works better for you, I'm happy to switch it into place for alpha2; otherwise I won't bother since 20080709 has already been tested
[00:30] <stgraber> ok, downloading now
[00:44] <sbeattie> Something in usplash is using uninitialized memory, I booted without usplash, manually ran casper-md5sum, everything checked out okay, warm rebooted, tried to boot into the live desktop, and got utter random garbage on the screen.
[00:48] <sbeattie> Sigh, or I could be having memory problems. Argh!
[00:49] <stgraber> lucky you, memtest is on the same CD-ROM :)
[00:53] <sbeattie> Ummm'kay, now I'm utterly confused. memtest86 on the intrepid i386 image throws up a bazillion errors. memtest86+ from the 8.04.1 disk doesn't find anything.
[00:53] <sbeattie> My intrepid burn could be bad, I guess, though manually running casper-md5sum turned out okay, and the md5sum of the iso I burned matched the MD5SUMS file.
[00:57] <stgraber> cjwatson: still around ?
[00:58] <stgraber> is the secondary problem the "unsafe swap space" one ? :)
[00:58] <sbeattie> Even weirder; I now have LaserJock's mouse only in the lower right corner behavior, but in vmware instead of kvm/qemu.
[00:59] <stgraber> slangasek: the initial bug seems to be fixed but I now get an error because the installer thinks my swap isn't in the encrypted part of the HDD (but it's :))
[00:59] <stgraber> slangasek: so still can't install :(
[01:01] <stgraber> hmm, without swap it also fails
[01:01] <LaserJock> sbeattie: yikes!
[01:01] <stgraber>  /dev/mapper/ doesn't seem to be updated with the new lvm partitions so mkfs fails :(
[01:04] <stgraber> really weird, it's like if the installer disable the LVM before running mkfs :)
[01:05] <stgraber> I tried to force LVM using "lvchange -a y ubuntu" (ubuntu is my vg), the partitions appear in /dev/mapper then disappear just before the installer calls mkfs :)
[01:07] <slangasek> stgraber: ok, leaving it as a caveat for alpha2 then, thanks for testing :)
[01:09] <stgraber> what's weird is that "erase-disk + encrypted LVM" works fine :)
[02:30] <cjwatson> stgraber: the secondary problem was the appearance then disappearance of /dev/mapper/VG-LV, as you describe
[02:31] <cjwatson> stgraber: I have a suspicion the fault is still in parted, but it'll need another strace run and I lost the will to live somewhere in the middle
[05:27] <slangasek> sigh, is anyone seeing this problem (under VMware for me) that booting the liveCD gets you a blank screen (background-colored)?
[06:14] <LaserJock> slangasek: yeah
[06:14] <LaserJock> I think sbeattie and I were getting that
[06:15] <LaserJock> in VMware Player and VMware server
[06:15] <LaserJock> for me in qemu it didn't do that but the mouse doesn't seem to work right
[06:43] <slangasek> LaserJock: well, I've tested now on real hardware and get the same error
[06:43] <slangasek> LaserJock: is it specific to amd64, or does i386 have the same problem?
[06:45] <LaserJock> I've only done i386
[06:46] <slangasek> hrm
[06:46] <slangasek> kinda inconvenient, then
[06:47] <LaserJock> a bit
[06:55] <slangasek> and there's no way to switch vts in VMware (AFAICS), and when I switch vts on my real hardware I get corrupted video, so awesome
[06:55] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:56] <LaserJock> we were getting some usplash screen artifacts earlier
[06:56] <slangasek> yeah, the corrupted video includes part of a usplash impression
[06:56] <slangasek> perhaps I should try booting the installer without usplash?
[06:58] <LaserJock> I think stgraber tried that
[06:58] <LaserJock> and still got the blank screen
[06:58] <slangasek> oh, well, I expect I'll still get the blank screen, it's some sort of GNOME problem
[06:58] <slangasek> but if I can get a working vt1, maybe I can debug it :)
[06:59] <slangasek> hmm, I bet it's easier to boot my vmware in rescue mode and install ssh
[07:05] <slangasek> ah, that doesn't help, because whatever happens when gdm starts locks up the session entirely, brilliant :P
[07:06] <slangasek> so, guess I'll be trying it on real hardware again, blah
[07:11]  * slangasek tries to reproduce the problem by booting the liveCD on a box that he doesn't have room to install on, and instead it loads up just fine :/
[07:12] <slangasek> so instead I have to start it on my laptop again, sigh
[07:52] <slangasek> sigh, so the cause of the login trouble is compiz
[07:52] <slangasek> killall compiz.real from vt1, and the desktop appears
[07:53] <LaserJock> interesting
[07:57] <slangasek> possibly bug #245823
[08:53] <davmor2> Morning everyone
[08:56]  * slangasek mumbles something about caffeine and sleep
[08:57] <davmor2> slangasek: you can't do both ;)
[08:57] <davmor2> just updating the images
[09:11] <davmor2> slangasek: You knows these "USABLE" desktop iso which ones are they the one I just burnt to cd cause it still oversized doesn't seem to be doing anything on any platform (bare box/Windows/Linux)
[09:11] <persia> davmor2: Did you remember to use 800MB media? :)
[09:11] <davmor2> I burnt it to dvd
[09:12] <persia> Heh.  That works.
[09:12] <davmor2> I'm going to burn another incase it is the burn at fault
[09:17] <davmor2> wierd must of been the burn ?
[09:18] <slangasek> davmor2: there are certainly bugs, but I've tested the desktop amd64 image here and it certainly does more than nothing
[09:19] <slangasek> and the kubuntu ones probably have fewer bugs (still downloading in order to see) because they don't use compiz
[09:19] <davmor2> wubi: doesn't work from the dvd it's detected as a bad disk because it is on the dvd.  Grumble snarl
[09:20] <davmor2> slangasek: yes must of just been an off burn I just can't remember the last time I had one :)
[09:46] <davmor2> Bloody EDID
[09:48] <davmor2> brb
[10:00] <davmor2> Ubuntu on my 19 inch just gives me a pleasant white screen :( with my intel gfx :(
[10:03] <slangasek> at what point?
[10:04] <davmor2> Desktop the heron is visible below if you hit alt-ctrl-backspace
[10:04] <davmor2> so I'm guessing it's compiz playing up
[10:06] <davmor2> brb kubuntu in and I need to swap out monitors again
[10:15] <davmor2> change the res and I can use my old monitor again :)
[10:21] <davmor2> Kubuntu doesn't install :-/
[10:22]  * davmor2 getting P.O. at this point
[10:31] <davmor2> slangasek: Ubiquity fails to start on kubuntu
[10:31] <davmor2> desktop at least works
[10:36] <slangasek> davmor2: fails to start, or fails to complete?
[10:36] <slangasek> (i.e., bug #247519)
[10:37] <davmor2> fails to start up I'm writing a bug now.  I've got an error from the cli so I'll add that
[10:37] <davmor2> slangasek: ^
[10:39] <slangasek> ok
[10:46] <davmor2> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/247537
[10:52] <slangasek> davmor2: ah, explains why I didn't see it; my mouse isn't working in vmware so I had to run ubiquity from the commandline as well, and I reflexively ran it as 'sudo ubiquity'
[10:53] <davmor2> should it be ran as sudo ubiquity or just as ubiquity though?
[10:53] <slangasek> clearly, running it as just 'ubiquity' is supposed to work
[10:54] <slangasek> but I guess you tried to click on the desktop shortcut, and that didn't work?
[10:54] <davmor2> slangasek: and fails :)
[10:54] <davmor2> slangasek: That's correct
[10:54] <slangasek> right
[10:54] <slangasek> so, it works if you boot straight into it ;)
[10:54] <davmor2> slangasek: that's why I ran the cli to see why it wasn't
[10:56] <davmor2> slangasek: you mean instead of running desktop run Ubiquity direct from the main boot option menu?
[10:56] <slangasek> yes
[10:56] <slangasek> if you do that, it works
[10:56] <davmor2> I'll try it
[10:56] <slangasek> and then it fails later when you try to partition, so
[10:56] <davmor2> slangasek: is that in vm or on hw
[10:57] <slangasek> vm
[10:58] <davmor2> slangasek: I'll try it on hw then and see if it's a vm thing shall I
[10:59] <slangasek> if you're talking about the partitioning failures, they aren't
[10:59] <slangasek> cjwatson is looking into them already
[10:59] <davmor2> okay np's so scrap the live tests then
[11:01] <davmor2> slangasek: mind you the new KDE 4.1 does seem a lot more stable :)
[11:01] <cjwatson> sorry, slightly delayed because I'm also trying to figure out what's up with the CD check
[11:03] <davmor2> cjwatson: why does that not work either?
[11:04] <cjwatson> not for me, anyway
[11:05] <davmor2> cjwatson: just trying it in kvm
[11:05] <cjwatson> it just hangs at the usplash pulsate bar
[11:05] <davmor2> It certain seems to I'll try on hw and see if it does there too
[11:07] <cjwatson> oh, I see
[11:07] <cjwatson> we are at last being bitten by the fucking stupid PATH setting in casper
[11:07] <cjwatson> I wondered when that was going to cause real problems
[11:08] <davmor2> cjwatson: It just booted into the desktop on kvm
[11:08] <davmor2> and it works :)
[11:08] <cjwatson> cassper sticks /root/usr/bin etc. at the front of PATH; grep in the installed system now links to libpcre; libpcre ain't in the initramfs
[11:09] <slangasek> snort
[11:09] <slangasek> is that also why we get the libacl.so.1 and libsepol.so.1 errors that I caught on boot when debugging?
[11:10] <cjwatson> yes
[11:10] <cjwatson> bearing in mind the stage we're at in the release, this seems like an excellent time to rip that out and see what else breaks
[11:10] <slangasek> :)
[11:10] <cjwatson> 'cos it's Just Wrong
[11:11] <cjwatson> there is actually an attempt to deal with the library thing by means of /etc/ld.so.conf, but it doesn't work for some reason
[11:11] <davmor2> cjwatson: if you need a test doing on it and you get a 20080711 iso out give me a shout
[11:13] <cjwatson> I'm currently at the stage of hacking up test ISOs for myself
[11:14] <davmor2> np's
[14:18] <cjwatson> uploads done to at least try to fix most of the serious desktop CD problems - just waiting for builds and archive processing
[14:24] <afflux> jeos cd seems to be uninstallable because the metapackages for the "virtual" kernel flavour are not installable (not built since linux-meta >= 2.6.26)
[14:36] <cgregan> stgraber: ping
[14:45] <vadi2> Hi. Where can I participate in image testing?
[14:47] <davmor2> cjwatson: any idea how long roughly?
[14:48] <cjwatson> davmor2: couple of hours
[14:48] <davmor2> cool :)
[14:48] <cjwatson> vadi2: #ubuntu-testing, iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:48] <stgraber> cgregan: pong
[14:48] <cjwatson> afflux: right :-(
[14:48] <cjwatson> afflux: the ports kernel isn't getting a lot of TLC of late
[14:48] <cjwatson> (I think virtual is in ports now, at least)
[14:48] <soren> afflux: ...will be fixed early next week, probably.
[14:49] <soren> I'm not sure what "in ports" means?
[14:49] <afflux> okay
[14:49] <cgregan> stgraber: I wanted to find out the level of effort to duplicate the x86 cases in ISO Tracker to a new "mobile" branch.
[14:49] <afflux> I've put a testing report on the tracker for the record anyway.
[14:49] <soren> It's maintained outside the standard kernel tree, in a git tree of its own.
[14:49] <vadi2> cjwatson: ok thanks
[14:49] <persia> Let's call it the "mobile" flavour to reduce confusion :)
[14:50] <davmor2> persia: portable would be better :D
[14:50] <cjwatson> soren: linux-ports
[14:50] <cjwatson> soren: oh, is it YA tree?
[14:51] <persia> davmor2: Well, not really, as it's the ubuntu-mobile seed.  "mobile" is fairly fixed.  Also, a laptop is portable, but I wouldn't want to run ubuntu-mobile on a laptop.
[14:51] <cgregan> persia: good point. stgraber...correction mobile flavor.
[14:51] <soren> cjwatson: Right now, yes.
[14:51] <davmor2> persia: I was just joking ;)
[14:51] <stgraber> cgregan: can that be done as one more "build" on the ISO tracker or would you like a separate tracker for it ?
[14:52] <cgregan> stgraber: build would be fine
[14:54] <stgraber> ok, so you will need one more product to be added "Ubuntu mobile" then add testcases to it.
[14:54] <cgregan> stgraber: basically I want all the cases and everything from x86
[14:54] <stgraber> Can you send me a mail with the list of testcases you'd like to see there and the wiki link to them ?
[14:54] <cgregan> stgraber: a clone
[14:55] <stgraber> what do you mean by "everything from x86" ?
[15:01] <cgregan> stgraber: I'll put together an email...and do some more research
[15:02] <cgregan> stgraber: once you have it though.....what is the effort level. An hour, day?
[15:03] <davmor2> avmor2
[15:03] <davmor2> h0neypie
[15:08] <persia> davmor2: Don't forget to adjust that :)
[15:09] <davmor2> persia: What?
[15:10] <persia> davmor2: h0neypie
[15:12] <davmor2> it's the pass for my test machine it'll only be on there for another hour and it's now switched off :)  I forgot which keyboard I was at
[15:12] <persia> davmor2: It's usually that: but hard to tell if it's a meaningful password: I just tend to encourage people to change when they slip :)
[15:15] <davmor2> I had to swap monitors to get the res right I've check the EDID it's 1024X768 but it isn't displaying but then I noticed they put through the vfreq and hfreq as 1024 768 too grrr
[15:18] <vadi2> I couldn't get my jeos to boot at all. Is that known?
[15:26] <stgraber> cgregan: an hour but I can't do it myself, I'll do it on my test server then file a RT ticket so the sysadmins do it
[15:27] <cgregan> stgraber: Cool.....thanks. I'll start working on the email and listing the cases, etc.
[15:27] <stgraber> cgregan: ok, when I get it I'll do a simulation on the test server and send you some screenshots of the result
[15:28] <cgregan> stgraber: excellent
[15:33] <cjwatson> vadi2: yeah, the virtual kernel hasn't been updated yet; soren says he should have it done early next week
[15:34] <vadi2> ok.
[15:35] <stgraber> is there anything to test at the moment or is everything waiting for rebuild ?
[15:37] <davmor2> waiting :(
[15:40] <davmor2> stgraber: really quick is the biggest understatement I think I've ever heard :)
[15:41] <stgraber> :)
[15:43] <stgraber> davmor2: I can do up to 4 install at once here so I can validate an complete image in ~ 1 hour
[15:44] <stgraber> so validating Ubuntu should be possible (alternate + desktop), I have big doubts about validating the derivatives as well
[15:45] <davmor2> stgraber:  That's if it will play nicely with VM it's been dying a death so far :)
[15:45] <stgraber> right, I didn't manage to have a desktop working in KVM so far
[15:45] <stgraber> alternate works fine though
[15:45] <davmor2> damned ubiquity ;)
[15:46] <stgraber> not really, I didn't even get X to start so can't blame ubiquity (yet) :)
[15:48] <davmor2> stgraber: that's been the fault for me mind you the other fault has been a bit more catastrophic in that my monitor EDID (I think refresh rate) is wrong so consequently I get no gfx at all.
[15:48] <stgraber> argh
[15:48]  * stgraber is afk for a moment, going back home
[15:49] <davmor2> I have to plug in my main monitor resize the desktop then swap monitors again
[15:54] <cjwatson> right, initramfs-tools casper ubiquity rebuilt, rebuilding CDs now
[16:27]  * stgraber is back home and ready for some testing
[16:27] <cjwatson> it's a-building
[16:52] <stgraber> new desktop images are ready for testing
[16:53]  * stgraber takes amd64 entire disk and manual
[16:56] <davmor2> I'll have to wait :( got to go for tea and then shopping so I'll be gone for a bit :( But hopefully all the iso's will of downloaded by then :)
[16:57] <stgraber> is virgin going fast again ? :)
[16:58] <davmor2> faster yes
[16:59] <davmor2> 1:34 for the first of the iso's to update
[16:59] <davmor2> minutes and not days
[17:00] <stgraber> :)
[17:04] <stgraber> sbeattie: I have the screen corruption with ubiquity when in cylon-mode :)
[17:05] <stgraber> and still no X so won't be able to test that image :(
[17:08] <cjwatson> err, ubiquity doesn't have a cylon-mode - do you mean usplash?
[17:08] <stgraber> oops, yes s/ubiquity/usplash/
[17:08] <afflux> what's cylon mode btw?
[17:08] <cjwatson> usplash's pulsating progress bar
[17:09] <afflux> ah, I see
[17:09] <cjwatson> it's what it uses when it has no reasonable information on how far to step the progress bar
[17:09] <afflux> yup
[17:09] <afflux> desktop-amd64 in vmware: usplash looks good here
[17:10] <cjwatson> autologin isn't working for some reason
[17:10] <cjwatson> or rather, it's working but it sits at gdm waiting for input before doing autologin
[17:10] <cjwatson> still no mouse in qemu ...
[17:14] <afflux> argh vmware is breaking my shift key o.o
[17:14] <afflux> or rather, it removes all the modifiers set by xmodmap on my host system
[18:43] <sbeattie> Mmm, that's no good. Doing a cd check on the latest image dropped into an initramfs busybox shell.
[18:45] <cjwatson> which image?
[18:45] <cjwatson> desktop or alternate?
[18:46] <cjwatson> seems to be working for me ...
[18:47] <sbeattie> desktop
[18:48] <sbeattie> any particular log I should be looking for? dmesg didn't have anything exciting in it.
[18:49] <sbeattie> mmmm casper.log claims it could not find a medium containing a live file system
[18:56] <cjwatson> doesn't sound specific to the CD checker; it's a problem detecting your CD
[19:05] <stgraber> anyone knows why ubuntu server 20080710 has been removed from the tracker ?
[19:11] <slangasek> td123: hi, are you the tomd123 who posted test results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/1772/4 ?
[19:14] <td123> slangasek: ya
[19:15] <slangasek> td123: great!  Could you please look at bug #245823, and see whether yours is the same problem?
[19:18] <td123> slangasek: sure, let me boot up the livecd again
[19:27] <td123> slangasek: ya, your description in bug #245823 seems to be the same bug I am encountering, I went into tty1 found compiz (2 instances) killed them both and I could go back into the main screen and everything seemed to work (besides the borders but its better then nothing)
[19:29] <td123> slangasek: I also have a 945 chipset if it has anything to do with it
[19:31] <slangasek> td123: ok, thanks.  you might want to link that bug from your ISO test report
[19:31] <td123> slangasek: ya ok
[19:43] <stgraber> ok, all images are now updated on the tracker
[19:43] <stgraber> please note that they aren't all the "current" ones, so please check the version number and md5sum before starting testing
[19:44] <stgraber> davmor2: ^
[19:44]  * stgraber takes the two server images
[20:19] <stgraber> Ubuntu server amd64 => Completed
[20:21]  * stgraber finishes server i386 and takes alternate amd64
[20:21] <slangasek> stgraber: bear in mind this is an early alpha, we don't require full test coverage - just "it boots and installs"
[20:22] <stgraber> sure, I only did minimal post-install testing (basically checking that stuff got installed)
[20:25] <stgraber> my main problem is the download speed, once I get the iso I can just start 4-5 VMs and do all testcases at once
[20:26] <slangasek> right :)
[20:47] <davmor2> bugger
[20:47] <stgraber> ah ?
[20:48] <davmor2> what this about the images stgraber
[20:48] <stgraber> you mean testing old images ?
[20:49] <stgraber> 10 has been released by mistake and 10.1 was some kind of test-build so the one we are testing is 09
[20:50] <davmor2> what about the new releases that cjwatson was doing? that fix ubiquity?
[20:50] <davmor2> wont those be 11
[20:50]  * cody-somerville checks up on Xubuntu.
[20:51] <LaserJock> there are 11 Desktop CDs
[20:51] <LaserJock> alternate and server look like 9
[20:51] <sbeattie> Lovely. memtest86+ v2.01 on our alpha 2 isos reports thousands of errors on my test machine.
[20:52] <sbeattie> memtest86+ v2.01 from memtest.org reports no errors.
[20:52] <LaserJock> in some ways it would be really handy to have the "version" string in the iso name
[20:52] <stgraber> davmor2: desktop is 11, alternate is 09
[20:52] <LaserJock> I can't remember at the moment exactly if I have 09 or 10
[20:52] <stgraber> davmor2: versions on the tracker are right but IIRC dl-iso uses current/ so that's why I mentioned it here
[20:52] <davmor2> okay cool
[20:53] <sbeattie> LaserJock: yeah, that's something I really dislike about the dl-iso script.
[20:53] <davmor2> Let's get ready to rumble......
[20:53] <stgraber> LaserJock: +1 that's something I do by hand after downloading because otherwise I end up with tons of ISO and don't know what they are
[20:54] <stgraber> same problem with kubuntu and ubuntu both will be intrepid-desktop-i386.iso :(
[20:54] <LaserJock> ugg, yeah, that's not good
[20:54] <LaserJock> I hadn't gotten that far :-)
[20:54] <sbeattie> stgraber: dl-iso script should shove them in different locations.
[20:54] <sbeattie> different paths
[20:55] <davmor2> stgraber: that's why the dl-script puts them in separate folders :)
[20:55] <Daniell> can I help with testing for alpha 2?
[20:55] <davmor2> yeap pick a test :)
[20:55] <stgraber> sbeattie: I can probably hack a bit the tracker to generate a page with all the cdimage.u.c links for all images being tested
[20:56] <stgraber> (I planned not to add any feature and focus on qatracker-ng but that looks like a 10-liner)
[20:56] <sbeattie> ah cool, that would be good.
[20:56] <Daniell> which iso's can I test?
[20:57] <Daniell> on cdimage.uuntu.com => latest daily>
[20:57] <Daniell> ?
[20:57] <cody-somerville> Daniell, you can test Xubuntu ISOs :)
[20:57] <cody-somerville> Daniell, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[20:57] <cody-somerville> Daniell, click the image of the cd to get download info
[20:57] <sbeattie> Daniell: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all will show you what needs testing still.
[20:58] <sbeattie> and yes, xubuntu needs some attention, though I can't get the xubuntu desktop cd to boot locally.
[20:59] <sbeattie> cjwatson|slangasek: would memtest86+ v2.01 failing from our cds but working from cd images downloaded from memtest.org indicate toolchain problems?
[21:00] <Daniell> i'll first test the ubuntu desktop cd
[21:00] <slangasek> sbeattie: it /could/, but it's not definitive
[21:01] <Daniell> I'm now downloading, is the busybox problem fixed which I experienced a few days ago?
[21:02] <sbeattie> slangasek: I can't get any of the alpha 2's to boot successfully on that machine, usplash hangs or I have other random problems. I've had no problems with this machine under 8.04{,.01}.
[21:03] <slangasek> sbeattie: yeah, alpha2 is excitingly bleeding-edge :)
[21:03] <davmor2> I'll start on Kubuntu desktop if that's okay :)
[21:03] <cody-somerville> sbeattie, I think the point of testing is to report such failures :P
[21:04] <davmor2> slangasek: does that actually mean broken ;)
[21:04] <slangasek> Daniell, davmor2: I believe the desktop CDs won't work, I've just identified a partman problem to evand that I think blocks them from being installable
[21:04] <stgraber> slangasek: should we just mark all desktop images as broken and focus on alternates ?
[21:04] <slangasek> so I wouldn't bother doing any more desktop testing, since I won't be releasing them for alpha2
[21:04] <slangasek> stgraber: yes
[21:04] <davmor2> slangasek: damn blast and all that old chap
[21:04] <stgraber> slangasek: ok
[21:04] <cody-somerville> slangasek, k
[21:04] <Daniell> ak
[21:05] <cody-somerville> slangasek, Is it possible to mark this in the ISO QA tracker?
[21:05] <stgraber> done
[21:05] <slangasek> cody-somerville: xubuntu alternate testing would still be a good idea, we don't have any results in from those yet :)
[21:05]  * cody-somerville nods.
[21:05] <slangasek> cody-somerville: yes, that's what stgraber just asked about :)
[21:05] <stgraber> so Xubuntu and Kubuntu needs testing
[21:06] <stgraber> I'm finishing ubuntu server and ubuntu alternate so please take derivatives :)
[21:11]  * stgraber also takes JEOS (kvm + lvm)
[21:11] <slangasek> well, we still don't have the right kernel for JeOS
[21:12] <slangasek> so I've just disabled that on the tracker too
[21:12] <stgraber> ah, ok
[21:12] <stgraber> one less VM then :)
[21:12] <LaserJock> heh, testing gets easier as slangasek weeds them out one by one :-)
[21:13] <stgraber> yeah
[21:14] <stgraber> erk, alternate just failed with a scary grub error :(
[21:14] <stgraber> no /boot/grub/device.map (that's with encrypted LVM)
[21:16] <slangasek> if it's only encrypted LVM that fails, that's caveat material now
[21:16] <stgraber> I get a scary kernel-like segfault from grub :(
[21:16] <stgraber> I have the syslog saved so I'll just reinstall without the LVM so I can do edubuntu testing
[21:18] <stgraber> slangasek,cjwatson: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/lvmcrypto/grubsegfault.log
[21:20] <davmor2> testing Xubuntu now :)
[21:21] <stgraber> slangasek: I'm setting up another VM to try reproducing that segfault
[21:21] <stgraber> (just to make sure it's not one of kvm's bugs :))
[21:44] <td1231> do the current builds fix that nasty bug where you got a blank screen?
[21:47] <davmor2> td1231: on live?
[21:51] <cody-somerville> Oh cool. I have a qa account.
[21:52] <td1231> davmor2: yes
[21:52] <davmor2> probably not
[21:52] <davmor2> and live cd's don't work anyway
[21:53]  * cody-somerville downloads an ISO to test. :)
[21:53] <stgraber> hmm, ok. Looks like he was only interested in the desktop CD :)
[21:54] <LaserJock> stgraber: probably looking for a CD to install from
[21:54] <davmor2> cody-somerville: I got 64bit annd 32 bit whole hd on test if you want to try a different test :)
[21:55] <cody-somerville> I don't have a PowerPC
[21:55] <davmor2> part timer
[21:55] <cody-somerville> or sparc
[21:55] <cody-somerville> or etc.
[21:55] <cody-somerville> Just i386s
[21:55] <davmor2> cody-somerville: I did say test not cd :)
[21:55] <cody-somerville> Oh, sorry, I misread :)
[21:55] <stgraber> davmor2: if you have a 32bit system around (better if it's ubuntu), can you try edubuntu i386 on it when installed ?
[21:56] <stgraber> davmor2: I'm doing kvm testing and only amd64 seems to work with it :(
[21:57] <davmor2> stgraber: I can do that both the tests I'm running are on my main box as kvm so my test machines are both free at the moment :)
[21:57]  * stgraber is happy we don't have to test ports :) With the powerpc I have here it'd take weeks to validate all images :)
[21:58] <stgraber> davmor2: cool, it's just loading the CD and selecting all packages, they should install fine without internet (I usually just turn off the networkmanager)
[21:58] <davmor2> I'm glad we only need to test the main cds could you imagine all the vairiants of all the cd'S
[21:58] <LaserJock> davmor2: how do you mean?
[21:59] <stgraber> yeah and we would need extra hardware too :) I don't have sparc, hppa, ia64, ... at home :)
[22:02] <davmor2> LaserJock: Currently we test Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Server, Jeos and Edubuntu we don't really test Mythbuntu, Gobuntu, UbuntuStudio or UME plus all the ports versions it would be a nightmare come true
[22:04] <LaserJock> hmm, they probably should get some testing at some point though
[22:04] <davmor2> LaserJock: Well volunteered :D
[22:04] <LaserJock> well, I was thinking more along the lines of figuring an automatic installation tester
[22:05] <persia> Well, Xubuntu is universe.  Studio wants testing, but the kernel doesn't work for Alpha 2.  Gobuntu is cancelled.  cgregan was talking about Mobile testing earlier.  I'm not sure about Mythbuntu: I know it's custom installer, so it's rather likely to benefit.
[22:05] <davmor2> we got our hands full with the supported versions.  Plus to be far if you want that type of port it's cause you have that type of machine :)
[22:06] <stgraber> someone could try : ubuntu alternate amd64 ?
[22:06] <LaserJock> davmor2: supported has nothing to do with installation tests I don't think, at least for Ubuntu (the project)
[22:06] <stgraber> I never managed to have it install, grub segfaults
[22:06] <davmor2> persia: Too many and too little time :( Gobuntu is but now there is the free version to test instead
[22:06] <LaserJock> davmor2: now the ports, I agree with you
[22:06] <stgraber> as it's VM I'd appreciate having someone else trying it
[22:06] <persia> davmor2: Just needs more hands :)
[22:07] <LaserJock> davmor2: can't test if you don't have the hardware :-)
[22:07]  * cody-somerville is at 55% downloaded la ISO.
[22:09] <afflux> stgraber: I'm on it, lvm+cryptroot currently
[22:10] <afflux> stgraber: I'm on vmware
[22:10] <stgraber> ok
[22:10] <stgraber> I got a scary grub error at the end of the install (no error until that) and looking at the console I saw a nice segfault :(
[22:11] <afflux> hum.. I'll be there in about 5 mins, it's configuring packages at the moment
[22:21] <slangasek> stgraber: from your lvmcrypto grubsegfault log, at least one problem there is that grub is crashing and grub-installer isn't trapping it
[22:21] <slangasek> Jul 11 20:12:32 grub-installer: sed: can't read /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory
[22:22] <slangasek> yes, because grub died with a segfault, so we shouldn't go trying to sed any files after that, grub-installer should have aborted...
[22:22] <slangasek> for the segfault itself, this needs to be turned over to the kernel folks
[22:25] <davmor2> cody-somerville: looks okay :)
[22:25] <cody-somerville> :)
[22:26] <stgraber> right, anyway the error message (user's side) looks good : "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error."
[22:26] <davmor2> stgraber: is the tracker on a go slow?
[22:26] <cody-somerville> davmor2, make sure /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitirc is being ran on login
[22:26] <stgraber> davmor2: looks like
[22:26] <davmor2> cody-somerville: want to say that again in english?
[22:27] <davmor2> 32bit ubuntu going in on hw for the edubuntu test now
[22:27] <cody-somerville> davmor2, can you paste me your .xsession-errors?
[22:28] <cody-somerville> *pastebin
[22:28] <davmor2> cody-somerville: I didn't have any it just worked :)
[22:29] <cody-somerville> Daviey, ~/.xsession-errors will still have some output in it :)
[22:29] <davmor2> np's two ticks I'll need to restart it
[22:31] <cody-somerville> davmor2, thanks :)
[22:40] <stgraber> afflux: what's the result of your alternate amd64 install ?
[22:40] <davmor2> cody-somerville: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26756/
[22:41] <cody-somerville> davmor2, okay, thanks :)
[22:49] <davmor2> Me thinks this won't get finished in time some how :(
[22:50] <stgraber> slangasek: how's your alternate amd64 install going ? as we seem to have lost afflux :)
[22:52] <slangasek> stgraber: I'm currently waiting on scrollkeeper
[22:54]  * cody-somerville thinks the image download link needs to be more intuitive / scream out
[23:01] <afflux> stgraber: sorry
[23:02] <afflux> "five minutes", haha... :(
[23:02] <afflux> stgraber, slangasek: grub seems to have installed without issues for me.
[23:03] <stgraber> ok, so that's a kvm issue
[23:07] <stgraber> davmor2: did you manage to do any edubuntu testing yet ?
[23:07] <stgraber> I don't have any installed system other than my own lappy, everything else failed due to kvm here :(
[23:08] <slangasek> is anyone working on kubuntu alternae?
[23:08] <davmor2> ubuntu just finished and ofcourse I now need to swap monitors so I can change the setting brb
[23:10] <afflux> slangasek: could do "manual partitioning", "entire disk" and "cryptroot" on kubuntu amd64, if needed
[23:10] <afflux> is there a known bug about the gdm issue?
[23:11] <stgraber> afflux: go with entire disk, d-i seems to work fine so what we want to test is kubuntu itself
[23:12] <slangasek> afflux: which gdm issue is this?
[23:13] <afflux> slangasek: unable to log in after install and autologin on desktop images does not work (both freeze on brown screen)
[23:13] <slangasek> afflux: VMware?
[23:13] <afflux> yes
[23:14] <slangasek> afflux: well, there's bug #246969, but this doesn't describe the symptoms that I see personally
[23:14] <slangasek> well, or maybe it does, I'm not sure
[23:15] <slangasek> the 'soft lockup' might fit, because what I see is that the vm goes brown and stops responding to pings
[23:15] <afflux> I'm not really sure, maybe it's bug 245823. I can't change to VT because alt+strg+f1 affects the host :(
[23:16] <slangasek> you could check whether it's 245823 by booting in text mode, uninstalling compiz, and starting gdm
[23:16] <davmor2> stgraber: edubuntu fails due to kstars
[23:16] <slangasek> but I've done this already, and vmware still locked up for me, so I don't think it's 245823 :)
[23:16] <davmor2> however individual packages install fine
[23:16] <slangasek> davmor2: ++verbose, please?  is kstars missing, uninstallable...?
[23:16] <afflux> slangasek: ah okay
[23:17] <davmor2> slangasek: two ticks I need to swap monitors again
[23:17] <slangasek> afflux: it is /something/ gnome-related, since kubuntu doesn't lock up for me in the same way
[23:17] <afflux> I see
[23:19] <stgraber> slangasek: add-on looks good here except some packages conflict (edubuntu-desktop, kstars and maybe some others) but files are on the cd and the installer starts correctly
[23:19] <stgraber> so can still be used as repo to install edu applications (just not all at once)
[23:20] <stgraber> those conflicts are actually in Ubuntu itself and not directly related to the add-on CD
[23:20] <stgraber>   kstars: Depends: indi (= 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2) but it is not installable
[23:20] <stgraber> and   khelpcenter4: Conflicts: khelpcenter but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 is to be installed.
[23:21] <slangasek> so worth releasing, with a caveat
[23:21] <slangasek> does someone want to think up some wording to use for the caveat entry?
[23:22] <stgraber> "Some packages from the Ubuntu educational add-on CD may not install because of unresolved dependencies." ?
[23:22] <davmor2> slangasek: stgraber: Install starts fine, cd is added to the repo list, fail depends: kstars but is not going to be installed.  However Kstars is included version 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2 is in.  So I'm guessing it is something attached to it rather than kstars itself
[23:23] <slangasek> stgraber: what's the proposed workaround?
[23:23] <stgraber> davmor2: yep, look at what I pasted before, it's depending on something non-existing
[23:23] <stgraber> slangasek: none, that's broken in the repos :(
[23:23] <persia> fallout from KDE3 -> KDE4?
[23:23] <davmor2> no monitor when you wrote it :)
[23:23] <slangasek> stgraber: well, what's the workaround for making use of edubuntu as a whole?
[23:24] <LaserJock> well, the point is though that *most* of the Add-on CD is usable
[23:24] <stgraber> exactly
[23:24] <LaserJock> but edubuntu-desktop is not as such
[23:24] <stgraber> you can install most softwares from that CD which is what people usually want
[23:24] <stgraber> you just can't install kstars and our meta package
[23:24] <davmor2> this is true :)
[23:24] <slangasek> right - so what do we tell users about how they should use it?  I've actually never used the edubuntu addon CD, so I don't know how the edubuntu-desktop problem will show up, or what users should do instead
[23:25] <stgraber> you get into gnome-app-install showing a set of packages
[23:25] <stgraber> they can tick all of them except edubuntu-desktop and kstars
[23:25] <stgraber> all the others install just fine, gnome-app-install will tell them what packages they can install and what they can't
[23:25] <LaserJock> "Packages must be installed individually rather than using the edubuntu-desktop metapackage"?
[23:26] <slangasek> ok
[23:26] <davmor2> slangasek: I've installed 5 apps from the cd so that bit works.
[23:27] <davmor2> slangasek: the cd effectively becomes an extra repo.  So the same rules that apply to normal repo packages except there on a cd :)
[23:27] <stgraber> yep, I just tried installing italc from the add-on CD and worked fine too, the user just can't tick "Edubuntu desktop" and KStars in gnome-app-install.
[23:28] <slangasek> ok, since I have the wiki lock still, I'll try to synthesize the above into a caveat entry
[23:28] <davmor2> right it's 11:30 I'm knackered and am going to bed now hope the tests get finished :)
[23:29] <slangasek> 'night, folks :)
[23:29] <slangasek> well, davmor2
[23:29] <slangasek> though I guess others are probably going to drop off soon as well :)
[23:29] <stgraber> indeed :)
[23:29] <davmor2> nn everyone :)
[23:29] <LaserJock> I've been dropping off since 7am this morning
[23:30] <slangasek> caveat added for the kstars issue
[23:31] <stgraber> argh, what's hapenning to kumquat ... we did a good lot of DB optimization and have a proxy in front of it so that kind of issue shouldn't happen. 3 minutes I'm trying to load that page now
[23:32] <stgraber> slangasek: caveat looks good
[23:33] <stgraber> would that make sense to mention that installing using KVM is completely broken ? :)
[23:33] <slangasek> yes, preferably with a bug number
[23:34] <LaserJock> is it KVM and qemu or just KVM?
[23:34] <afflux> slangasek: running 2.6.26-3 in virtualbox does not work at all: bug 246067 (that means all the isos fail to start)
[23:34] <stgraber> I only get that when using kvm, qemu is extremely slow but works
[23:34] <stgraber> looking at LP now for a bug report
[23:37] <stgraber> slangasek: bug 243677 ?
[23:37] <stgraber> seems to contain comments about almost all virtualization related issues :)
[23:37] <slangasek> looks right, thanks
[23:38] <stgraber> I don't really know if that's a kvm bug or a mix of having a new X server (so I don't get a X server to start with the desktop image) and the new kernel ...
[23:40] <slangasek> stgraber: based on the bug state, someone thinks it's a kvm bug :)
[23:43] <slangasek> so, ah, did kubuntu alternate get tested? because I still don't see any test results on the website
[23:43] <stgraber> afflux: ?
[23:43] <afflux> I'm still pulling it
[23:44] <slangasek> ok
[23:44] <slangasek> afflux: which arch?
[23:44] <afflux> amd64
[23:44] <slangasek> I have amd64 already here, which I can test... would be good if someone could test i386?
[23:45] <afflux> eek, I asked some minutes ago whether I should take amd64 :P I can download i386, will take about 25 minutes
[23:52] <afflux> slangasek: you are the wiki page man right? might be good to include a hint that the kernel does not work in virtualbox either (but for different reasons that kvm, as far as I can see)
[23:52] <slangasek> afflux: yes, I'll add that too, once my buffer clears :)
[23:52] <afflux> ah okay
[23:52] <afflux> thanks
[23:55] <slangasek> (done)
[23:56] <slangasek> anything else broken that we should document? :)
[23:58] <afflux> I've not yet tested kubuntu-alternate-i386 ;)


[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:24] <sgmoore[m]> bah I need help with ppa builds. So I am trying to build kf5 5.99 in ppa for focal to get these snaps security updates ( core22 builds are not ready yet ) however the ppa doesn't seem to grab dependencies from itself. Where am I going wrong? A bit rusty on ppas.
[14:33] <sgmoore[m]> nm, it is, it needs newer qt. fun stuff


[12:54] <mterry> Hey folks!  If anyone is interested in a Ubuntu Online Week session on "Unity8 Desktop Preview", it's happening today at 16h UTC


[06:41] <KpuCko> hello, can somebody help me with "maas latest meta-data instance-id failed bad status code 404"
[06:56] <KpuCko> oke, i've fixed the problem, the ip of the maas controller used for pxe boot is setted to the wrong value
[06:56] <KpuCko> with dpkg-reconfigure i fixed the issue
[14:38] <mup> Bug #1606948 opened: [trunk] Filter scrolling for according always shows despite only having 1 item <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606948>
[17:35] <mup> Bug #1606999 opened: reporting messages can slow down operations greatly <cloud-init:New> <curtin:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606999>
[19:00] <Braven36> hello
[19:02] <Braven36> is there anyone is the channel?
[19:02] <roaksoax> Braven36: for the most part, yes! :)
[19:03] <Braven36> Cool
[19:04] <Braven36> Do you work with maas alot?
[19:06] <roaksoax> Braven36: i do
[19:06] <roaksoax> Braven36: how can I help?
[19:07] <Braven36> Curtin, I do not think I full understand how it works
[19:08] <Braven36> I thought last_command: would run when the OS boots up for the first time. But that does not appears to be the case
[19:13] <Braven36> Do you know of any good document for the curtin?
[19:20] <Braven36> Did I lose you roaksoax
[19:22] <roaksoax> Braven36: sorry,testing RC3 atm
[19:23] <roaksoax> Braven36: will late_commands in curtin run during the installation process, but after the image has been copied onto the disk and everything is ready to continue
[19:24] <roaksoax> Braven36: if you see in /etc/maas/preseeds/curtin_userdata you can see sections that say "curtin", "in-target", "--", "XYZ"
[19:24] <roaksoax> Braven36: that is telling curtin, do XYZ inside the installed OS
[19:25] <Braven36> I am try to run a disk config script.
[19:26] <roaksoax> Braven36: do you have an example ?
[19:26] <Braven36> of the script or what I put in the file
[19:27] <roaksoax> Braven36: well that depends on what you want to do
[19:27] <roaksoax> if you want to run a shell script
[19:28] <roaksoax> you'd do stuff similar to "curtin", "in-target", "==",
[19:28] <roaksoax> you'd do stuff similar to "curtin", "in-target", "==", "sh", "-c", "whatever-shell-you-want (e.g. run a script, do stuff like command1 && command2, etc"
[19:29] <Braven36> I did that and seen the script run. Then installation failed.
[19:29] <Braven36> I see you are using "==" instead of --
[19:30] <roaksoax> Braven36: that's a typo on my side
[19:30] <roaksoax> Braven36:another way of doing it: driver_00_key_get: curtin in-target -- sh -c "/bin/echo -en '{{key_string}}' > /tmp/maas-{{driver['package']}}.gpg"
[19:31] <Braven36> There not much documentation out there about it. So I feel like I missing something that everyone else knows.
[19:32] <Braven36> so in the example above. You do not need to use the ","
[19:32] <roaksoax> Braven36: i think that's just two ways of doing the same thing
[19:32] <roaksoax> Braven36: /etc/maas/curtin_userdata would give you examples
[19:33] <roaksoax> smoser: do you have curtin docs already available ?
[19:33] <smoser> there are some curtin docs at http://people.canonical.com/~rharper/curtin/#
[19:33] <roaksoax> smoser: thanks!
[19:35] <roaksoax> smoser: can cloud-init do this too? http://people.canonical.com/~rharper/curtin/topics/reporting.html#configuration ?
[19:35] <Braven36> interesting. I have not seen this yet
[19:35] <smoser> cloud-init doesn ot postfiles
[19:35] <smoser> but  yes, it reports
[19:36] <roaksoax> smoser: ah bummer, I was looking to be able to post cloud-init-output back to maas for storage
[19:36] <Braven36> how does cloud-init fit into Maas?
[19:41] <roaksoax> Braven36: the ephemeral environmetn (commissioning, deploying) is driven by cloud-init
[19:42] <Braven36> Cloud-init reads the curtin file to deploy the server?
[19:45] <Braven36> I see a lot info on #cloud-config files. I also see #cloud-config at the top the curtin file
[19:50] <roaksoax> Braven36: cloud-init drives curtin
[19:55] <Braven36> late-command is ran after the first reboot.
[19:59] <roaksoax> Braven36: late_command is run during the install. In mimics what d-i does
[20:03] <Braven36> I am new this stuff. So curtin is all I know. is there a away to setup a script to run on boot
[20:03] <Braven36> and it only run once
[20:12] <roaksoax> Braven36: you can modify the late_command to write whatever you need on your installed system, so that on first boot it runs what you need to run
[20:12] <roaksoax> that's the usual way you can customize things
[20:14] <Braven36> maybe it failed some where else... my script setup disk for a hadoop data node.
[20:15] <roaksoax> Braven36: what do you mean by setup disk ?
[20:15] <Braven36> there are 4 disk. in server. 1 is for the Os dev/sda and the others are for data
[20:16] <Braven36> The Fstab need to have the uuid of disk.
[20:17] <Braven36> or I mean Partition
[20:26] <roaksoax> Braven36: why don't you partition the disk in MAAS ?
[20:26] <roaksoax> Braven36: are you using MAAS 2.0 ?
[20:49] <Braven36> no.. I am using maas 1.0
[20:49] <Braven36> hardware did not support 2.0 =(
[22:39] <mup> Bug #1607112 opened: [2.0rc2] package installation fails when default gateway is not set <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1607112>


[19:54] <tsimonq2> @acheronuk: ping
[19:54] <valorie> acheronuk: are you attending the freenode live conf?
 no. it's depressingly near me, but need to be at home this weekend for a few things
[19:56] <valorie> bummer
[19:56] <valorie> I missed debconf for the same reason maybe a year ago
 @tsimonq2  yes?
 @acheronuk, Once I test the stuff in staging-plasma for Xenial, you want to ACK before I move to backports-landing or should I JFDI?
 @tsimonq2 I already JFDI
 @acheronuk oh
 Ok
 tested in a VM briefly. probably need more though. but better for people to test from landing anyway
 @acheronuk, Ok, mind if I write up a blog post for people to test?
 Or do we have other things to land at the same time?
 @tsimonq2, (meaning, in a pastebin for someone to review to go on Kubuntu.org)
 Only other things in there for Xenial is latest stable krita
 Ok, has that been tested?
 Meaning, can it go over to backports at the same time?
 It runs. I can draw squiggles :P
 :P
 @tsimonq2, That was what I intended
 @acheronuk, Ok
 I'll write something up
 If Clem is still willing to test, can ask him. There will still be Mint KDE 18.3, and regardless of anything else, hist test of plasma backports has been useful in the past
 I don't plan on contacting Clem.
 Do that if you feel inclined but don't count on me to do it.
 @tsimonq2, I wasn't
 Ok
 @Valoriez @acheronuk Do we have an invite link for the Kubuntu Devel channel?
[20:24] <valorie> look in your phone
[20:25] <valorie> if you aren't admin maybe you should be
 I'm not an admin
 Had to manually add last time
 Hm ok
 who wants in?
 I'm just wondering if I can get an invite link, that's all
 personally, I would prefer not. and add on request
[20:26] <valorie> yes you are an admin according to my phone tsimonq2
[20:27] <valorie> It doesn't have a link, just "add member"
[20:27] <valorie> acheronuk: me too
[20:28] <valorie> eventually I would rather create a Kubuntu group for matrix
[20:28] <valorie> and phase out telegram
 Nononononononononononono
[20:28] <valorie> since it seems that is how KDE is going
 > :(
 I really like Telegram
[20:28] <valorie> konversation next will have matrix support built in
[20:29] <valorie> tsimonq2: I do too, and it's fine for fun groups or casual stuff
[20:29] <valorie> I would prefer official channels to be all free software and tools if possible
[20:29] <valorie> and that should soon be possible
[20:29] <valorie> Eike Hein is working with Matrix to make it better, and so are the Purism people
[20:32] <valorie> it isn't good enough now, for sure
[20:32] <valorie> and Telegram is working pretty well in the meanwhile
 @acheronuk How's this look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25839510/
 If it looks good, please publish
 @tsimonq2 https://kubuntu.org/news/help-test-plasma-5-8-8-lts-and-krita-3-3-1-for-kubuntu-backports/
[21:27] <tsimonq2> @acheronuk: http://news.softpedia.com/news/kubuntu-devs-need-your-help-to-test-kde-plasma-5-8-8-lts-on-kubuntu-16-04-lts-518259.shtml
[21:28] <acheronuk> :)
[21:28] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:29] <tsimonq2> <3 Marius
[21:29] <tsimonq2> Friendly guy
[21:29] <acheronuk> indeed!
[21:31] <valorie> tsimonq2: might be good to write to the kubuntu-users list as well as devel
[21:31] <valorie> and post on the kubuntuforum
[21:32] <valorie> I'm headed outside in a few
[21:32] <tsimonq2> valorie: No for forums, I don't know what I'm doing At All, but lists sure
[21:32] <valorie> but later if it isn't done I'll help
 @acheronuk Ping
 Copy/paste error
[21:40] <acheronuk> what?
 Should be this: … ```If you run into any issues, we recommend that you join #kubuntu-devel on freenode and let us know. Otherwise as a last resort you can <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel"subscribe to the kubuntu-devel mailing list</a> and send us an email.```
 Not this: … ```If you run into any issues, we recommend that you join #kubuntu-devel on freenode and let us know. Otherwise as a last resort you can and send us an email.```
[21:43] <acheronuk> that is what I have. no error there
[21:44] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: are you missing the link?
[21:45]  * tsimonq2 kicks IrcsomeBot
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Simon Quigley, [28.10.17 16:44]
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Simon Quigley, [28.10.17 16:44]
[21:45] <tsimonq2> I know
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Simon Quigley, [28.10.17 16:44]
[21:45] <tsimonq2> @acheronuk Put a > between " and subscribe
 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
 I know
 @acheronuk Put a `>` between `"` and `subscribe`
 @tsimonq2 gimme a sec. IRCsomebot seems to be lagging, so I only just go some of that
 (Photo, 730x49) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NEsBvAKr/file_3544.jpg
[21:47] <tsimonq2> There
[21:48] <valorie> excess "and"
[21:48] <valorie> send us an email
[21:49] <tsimonq2> valorie: Done already
[21:49] <valorie> thanks
[21:49] <tsimonq2> Excess "and" is intended, it'
[21:49] <tsimonq2> *it's just not closed HTML
[21:49] <valorie> k
[21:51]  * valorie heads out into the sun to rake leaves
[21:51] <acheronuk> hopefully ok now
[21:51] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Yep all good acheronuk, thanks!
[23:04] <valorie> downside of working in the sun - it's hot!
[23:04] <valorie> upside, the leaves are mostly dry, so not heady
[23:04] <valorie> heavy
[23:36]  * clivejo yawns
[23:36] <clivejo> wonder what time it is
[23:49] <valorie> 10 to 5pm here
[23:49] <valorie> almost dinner time
[23:49] <clivejo> time goes back tonight
[23:49] <valorie> why was that one guy running artful beta?
[23:49] <valorie> so weird
[23:50] <clivejo> huh?
[23:50] <valorie> he was asking in #plasma too
[23:50] <valorie> he was running some pygame that was freezing plasma etc.
[23:50] <valorie> we're over a week out from release, so ......
[23:50] <clivejo> oh freezing the panel
[23:50] <valorie> people are strange