[09:43] <Ben64> yay google-fu :D
[09:43] <Nathan2055> Should I switch to using kde-full instead?
[09:45] <ifahad> Hi every one
[09:45] <bazhang> Nathan2055, you just to wish to see lightdm instead of kdm?
[09:45] <PsilonuX> HI, i am running software raid mdadm and suffering low write speeds (< 10 MB/s) on 12.04. I suspect a failing disk (WD Greens ..) . Smartctl doesnt show anything suspect. How can I test individual write speeds of the disks with dd, without messing up my data?
[09:45] <tolditsa> Coleman that setting seems to be in HD aspect ratio.
[09:46] <bazhang> Nathan2055, as for unity, try unity-tweak-tool
[09:47] <bazhang> PsilonuX, try in ##hardware
[09:47] <PsilonuX> k thx
[09:47] <Nathan2055> I'm really confused (may be because it's really late here, I most likely shouldn't be hacking at all). So lightdm doesn't load any particular libraries at startup?
[09:47] <Nathan2055> I would assume that the issue in Unity is KDE libraries being loaded at startup, right?
[09:48] <bazhang> Nathan2055, you said you saw the kde greeter, thats not really a problem, but more of a preference, have it load ligthdm instead if you wish
[09:48] <bazhang> Nathan2055, thats doubtful, try the unity-tweak-tool as suggested for that
[09:49] <Nathan2055> It was the Unity log-in screen, the only changed thing was that it started using Kubuntu splash screens.
[09:49] <Nathan2055> How can I change it to lightdm?
[09:51] <bazhang> !info galternatives | Nathan2055
[09:55] <Nathan2055> What would my root password be? It wasn't set during installation.
[09:55] <Ben64> there isn't one
[09:55] <bazhang> its the sudo one Nathan2055
[09:56] <Nathan2055> Thanks.
[09:56] <bazhang> np
[09:56] <Nathan2055> What setting would this be in galtternatives?
[09:57] <bazhang> kdm and lightdm
[09:58] <bazhang> update to the one you want, making sure both ar e installed, of course
[09:58] <Nathan2055> Nope...neither of those are in there.
[09:58] <Nathan2055> Maybe I'm missing a package...
[09:59] <Nathan2055> lightdm is installed, kdm isn't.
[09:59] <bazhang> what version of ubuntu are you on Nathan2055
[09:59] <Nathan2055> 14.04
[09:59] <coleman> ok, one last problem, trying to install teamviwer,
[09:59] <coleman> just fails with no error
[10:00] <Prezident> Hi guys, i recently upgraded to 14.04 and im really happy withit, but there is a problem i got, when i do "sudo reboot" it gets freezed in ubuntu logo screen and i has to press on buttonf or poweroff
[10:00] <Prezident> any ideas?
[10:00] <bazhang> !info teamviewer
[10:00] <bazhang> teamviewer installed from where coleman
[10:00] <coleman> downloaded it from there website
[10:01] <pipi-> teamviewer is closed source innit? so from their website im sure
[10:01] <Ben64> coleman: i'd recommend using something in the ubuntu repositories instead of teamviewer
[10:01] <bazhang> coleman, so follow their install instructions we dont know that here
[10:01] <Nathan2055> Should I install kdm?
[10:01] <coleman> my question more was is there a log that will tell me why the deb is failing
[10:01] <coleman> but thanks
[10:02] <bazhang> Nathan2055, by all accounts, your own, you have it already
[10:02] <Nathan2055> 4:59:41 AM <Nathan2055> lightdm is installed, kdm isn't.
[10:02] <pipi-> coleman: did you try installing it from command line? sudo dpkg -i teamviewer*.deb
[10:02] <bazhang> Nathan2055, yet you said you see the kde greeter screen
[10:03] <Nathan2055> I said I saw the KDE *splash screen*. i.e. it says Kubuntu instead on Ubuntu when booting.
[10:03] <Nathan2055> I still get the Unity log-in screen.
[10:04] <bazhang> Nathan2055, not sure what the problem is then
[10:05] <Nathan2055> Alright. I'll mess with it tomorrow when I'm in my right mind.
[10:06] <herensuge> Nathan2055: do you want kdm ?
[10:13] <rrr_> why it takes 10mins to half an hour to install ubuntu while I can spin a droplet VM from digitalocean within 55 secs?
[10:14] <bazhang> ten minutes is very fast
[10:15] <bazhang> one is on actual hw, the other a vm
[10:17] <pipi-> rrr_: probably because its different hardware. pre-installed vm on great hardware is not the same thing as manually installing on consumer hardware
[10:21] <bekks> rrr_: Because the "droplet VM" is preinstalled, and just needs to be configured.
[10:22] <Prezident> Hi guys, i recently upgraded to 14.04 and im really happy withit, but there is a problem i got, when i do "sudo reboot" it gets freezed in ubuntu logo screen and i has to press on buttonf or poweroff! Any ideas about this bug?
[10:26] <rrr_> bekks: I don't get it. actually I was installing as VM. I want the same thing as droplet. how do i do it in VM?
[10:26] <mitt> Prezident: what if you click to reboot in Unity itself?
[10:27] <Prezident> same thing mitt
[10:27] <Prezident> I saw on google its something with grub
[10:27] <rrr_> pipi-: why installing ubuntu requires internet connection? it is nonsense
[10:27] <rrr_> we have iso already.
[10:28] <rrr_> bazhang: doesn't the ubuntu ISO include everything needed?
[10:29] <cfhowlett> rrr_, .iso does not include updates
[10:29] <rrr_> cfhowlett: ok but let me install updates after installation ok?
[10:30] <cfhowlett> rrr_, sure.
[10:30] <rrr_> cfhowlett: but why internet connection is required during ubuntu installation?
[10:30] <bazhang> rrr_, its not
[10:30] <lilstevie> rrr_, 2 main reasons, 1) the iso is mastered, but updates continue after, 2) proprietary bits require you to agree to a license before they are grabbed
[10:30] <cfhowlett> rrr_, it is NOT required, it's advised
[10:31] <lilstevie> however, you can still install without internet connection, it is just better to do it with the internet connected
[10:31] <bekks> rrr_: I have no cue what a "droplet" is, I just used the same term as you did. A vm is installed just the same way as real hardware.
[10:31] <lilstevie> bekks, a droplet is a digital ocean vm
[10:31] <bekks> Ah, marketing buzzword then.
[10:32] <lilstevie> rrr_, a digital ocean droplet is more than likely a template image, I haven't delved deep into how their side works, but you are more likely to find they have a bunch of disk images ready to go, when you order a droplet it just expands that image into the vm you are creating
[10:33] <rrr_> lilstevie: desktop ubuntu installation clearly states that internet connection is required before installation start.
[10:33] <bekks> rrr_: It doesnt.
[10:33] <mitt> Prezident: GRUB is a bootloader, not "shutdowner"
[10:33] <eaxxae> anyone have lollipop running on their samsung note 4 or other android device yet ?
[10:33] <cfhowlett> rrr_, non-connected install are done all the time
[10:33] <bekks> rrr_: And technically, it doesnt need an internet conection.
[10:34] <lilstevie> rrr_, well I managed to install it without internet because the installer iso doesn't support my systems network devices
[10:34] <mitt> eaxxae: offtopic
[10:35] <rrr_> lilstevie: can i do that same thing as digitalocean does when I create a new VM locally?
[10:35] <lilstevie> rrr_, if you make the template sure.
[10:35] <bekks> rrr_: IF you know which virtualization technology they use, sure.
[10:36] <lilstevie> IIRC xen has the ability to template an entire image that you then use as a base image to create new vm
[10:36] <eaxxae> mitt: I use my phone with my ubuntu computer.. it's not entirely offtopic....
[10:36] <rrr_> i am using virtualbox. can i do that using vbox?
[10:37] <rrr_> I don't want the lengthy installation steps for each VM I created.
[10:37] <mitt> eaxxae: okay, then what questions do you have?
[10:38] <ljunggren> Hi, because Unity is utilizing 3D card. would i gain some perfomance boost by installing proprietary drivers isntead of using open source ones?Just to get Unity a little more snappy?`Using AMD E-450 APU
[10:38] <ljunggren> Or is that somehow related to gtkrendering etc?
[10:38] <lilstevie> eaxxae I have a tablet running 5.0, what is the problem you are having
[10:38] <bazhang> ljunggren, the open source are quite good as is
[10:39] <eaxxae> I'm not having a problem... yet. I was just wondering if anyone running it had any issues yet ..
[10:39] <ljunggren> bazhang: yes. i just mean latest catalyst software is ahead of open source in terms of gaming. my question is merely if it also give a little boost in enviorment? since Unity uses 3d acceleration to render?
[10:39] <lilstevie> none that I have noticed, but then I don't do much beyond adb and MTP
[10:39] <lilstevie> rrr_ http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-admin/howto-use-vb-templates-1695904.html
[10:40] <bazhang> ljunggren, I would venture no to that
[10:40] <ljunggren> bazhang: thank you.
[10:40] <bazhang> eaxxae, this is not the place for android support, try their channels
[10:40] <bazhang> !alis | eaxxae
[10:41] <lilstevie> ljunggren I exclusively use the open source drivers with due to slightly better performance and less glitching for regular desktop duties
[10:42] <eaxxae> I wasn't asking for support, I was asking if anyone upgraded their device or got an OTA update for lollipop yet... anyone who understands what I'm saying would just say yes or no.
[10:42] <cfhowlett> eaxxae, off-topic.
[10:42] <bazhang> eaxxae, its still not ontopic here at all
[10:42] <Novice201y> Hello. I'm trying to setup VNC on Ubuntu Server, but for "update-rc.d vncserver defaults 99" I receive "update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/vncserver missing LSB information".
[10:43] <ljunggren> lilstevie: Yeah thanks. So if you don't game open source should be sufficient right? I feel a little paranoid i miss out on something not using  catalayst. Like power consumption etc. Guess not:)
[10:43] <antonino> ciao
[10:43] <antonino> !list
[10:43] <eaxxae> bazhang:  your opinion, isn't it ? I mean.. the phone is *nix based.. but yeah. noted.
[10:44] <bazhang> eaxxae, channel policy actually
[10:44] <ljunggren> eaxxae: still has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[10:44] <eaxxae> bazhang: where is the channel policy written.. love to read it.
[10:44] <cfhowlett> !topic | eaxxae
[10:45] <bazhang> eaxxae, try /topic
[10:45] <instigator> Hello. I am using iptables and for some reason can not access any websites. What rule could you use to allow connection to websites?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> !guidelines |eaxxae enjoy
[10:45] <aaearon> instigator outbound to all on 80/443 ?
[10:46] <lilstevie> ljunggren I find that using catalyst on my APU powered laptop uses more battery and glitches frequently (artifacting, screen taring, etc) for standard desktop stuff, I switch over only if I am planning on running games
[10:47] <instigator> aaearon: my policy for output is set to accept
[10:47] <ljunggren> lilstevie: too bad one has to choose. Alright then, im sticking with open source one on my laptop.
[10:47] <aaearon> prolly makes more sense to put the rules in a pastebin so we dont have to guess
[10:47] <lilstevie> aaearon a link is in the topic that you are shown on join
[10:48] <aaearon> ok?
[10:48] <eaxxae> so, who actually represents leadership if you had a question about something being ontopic or offtopic
[10:48] <ljunggren> eaxxae: this you are doing is also offtopic. Android lollipop has nothing to do with Ubuntu, try #ubuntu-offtopic instead
[10:48] <lilstevie> eaxxae it is a fairly simple test, does $topic have anything directly to do with ubuntu? if not off topic
[10:50] <eaxxae> lilstevie: ok, so..  asking if someone tested a specific piece of hardware, with their ubuntu computer.. would be offtopic ?
[10:52] <eaxxae> ubottu: much appreciated.. reading it now.
[10:53] <eaxxae> lol.
[10:53] <eaxxae> cfhowlett, rather.
[10:54] <cfhowlett> eaxxae, ><)
[10:56] <eaxxae> Canonical has it's down phone thing going on, didn't even realize.
[10:57] <bazhang> !touch | eaxxae
[11:00] <AkivaAvraham> is this video on youtube playing wrong for anyone else? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofbWiDdkHuQ&list=PLA98272E43BA9AEDB&index=18
[11:00] <AkivaAvraham> It keeps skipping for me for some reason, but not other vids,
[11:00] <AkivaAvraham> and the comments don't seem to reflect that there is anything wrong with this video.
[11:01] <EriC^^> AkivaAvraham: sometimes ctrl+f5 reloads the video correctly
[11:01] <wonderworld> video description says it's broken
[11:01] <AkivaAvraham> hmmm strange
[11:01] <AkivaAvraham> ahhhhh didn't see that.
[11:02] <AkivaAvraham> !cookie | wonderworld
[11:13] <ropo_> can u recommend me a channel  to learn java
[11:14] <EriC^^> ropo_: ##java
[11:14] <AkivaAvraham> ropo_, #learnprogramming
[11:14] <AkivaAvraham> ropo_, why do you want to learn java?
[11:14] <ropo_> hello
[11:15] <bazhang> ##programming is the actual channel
[11:15] <bazhang> !alis | ropo_
[11:15] <AkivaAvraham> ropo_, it is off topic, but you can also drop by #ubuntu-app-devel; that is where we do software development for ubuntu.
[11:18] <O_OniGiriii> hi there
[11:19] <O_OniGiriii> daftykins hi :D
[11:19] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiriii, o/ salutations
[11:19] <O_OniGiriii> for how long havr you been using ubuntu?
[11:20] <AkivaAvraham> 2006, you?
[11:20] <O_OniGiriii> wowww
[11:20] <O_OniGiriii> i just wanted to learn a linux based OS
[11:20] <AkivaAvraham> aww shucks :)
[11:21] <O_OniGiriii> but it's so unstable
[11:21] <cfhowlett> O_OniGiriii, www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[11:21] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiriii, ah very cool
[11:21] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiriii, ubuntu is unstable?
[11:21] <O_OniGiriii> cfhowlett what is it?
[11:21] <O_OniGiriii> AkivaAvraham how are you surviving with ubuntu?
[11:21] <cfhowlett> O_OniGiriii, download.  read.  learn.
[11:21] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiriii, I'm a developer. I love ubuntu for developing, just for its hud alone.
[11:22] <O_OniGiriii> everythings breaks or has bugs
[11:22] <AkivaAvraham> Arch, mac, Windows; they don't have that feature.
[11:22] <O_OniGiriii> AkivaAvraham yeah i want to use ubuntu for web dev
[11:22] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiriii, maybe you are running root to much?
[11:22] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiriii, oh very cool! You should come over to #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:22] <O_OniGiriii> What is it about?
[11:23] <AkivaAvraham> If you are interested in html5; that would apply to you.
[11:24] <O_OniGiri> disconnected :(
[11:24] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, I saw that
[11:24] <O_OniGiri> anyways... i installed skype
[11:24] <O_OniGiri> and it broke everything :(
[11:24] <O_OniGiri> I was using Xubuntu though... but it should be different right?
[11:24] <AkivaAvraham> anyways #ubuntu-app-devel is where we develop applications for ubuntu, using primarily qml, c++, html5, go, among other languages.
[11:25] <O_OniGiri> or is ubuntu more stable than xubuntu? its the same except the desktop env right?
[11:25] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, Yes I'd say it is. They are both officially supported though.
[11:25] <O_OniGiri> i see, might look at it in the future
[11:25] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, skype, you got that from the skype website right?
[11:25] <O_OniGiri> yeah
[11:26] <O_OniGiri> but it was stuck and i couldnt force close it
[11:26] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, in that case, you are relying on microsoft to package for linux...
[11:26] <O_OniGiri> so i did sudo reboot
[11:26] <AkivaAvraham> ah
[11:26] <O_OniGiri> and then my whole system kinda broke
[11:26] <O_OniGiri> audio didnt work
[11:27] <O_OniGiri> and internet was suddenly super slow
[11:27] <O_OniGiri> so this morning i used my window recovery
[11:27] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, that is really unfortunate to hear.
[11:27] <O_OniGiri> but im planning to install ubuntu as dual boot
[11:28] <O_OniGiri> but why is ubuntu more stable than xubuntu?
[11:28] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, good question. One reason is that the xfce interface does not have many developers actively working on it, like gnome kde or unity
[11:29] <O_OniGiri> i see, that makes sense
[11:29] <AkivaAvraham> it is only developed afaik by a few part time university students
[11:29] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, there was a discussion about it on the Linux Action show.
[11:29] <O_OniGiri> i liked the 'lightweightness' of xfce
[11:29] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, Many people do. There is also lubuntu if you are interested.
[11:30] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, I like unity because of its most unused and hidden feature; the hud
[11:30] <Ben64> or gnome-fallback or whatever its called now
[11:30] <O_OniGiri> what desktop env does lubuntu use?
[11:30] <Ben64> lxde
[11:30] <O_OniGiri> is it more stable than xfce?
[11:30] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, I think so.
[11:30] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, i'm not a user of it though.
[11:30] <O_OniGiri> but well... next time i will just install ubuntu
[11:31] <Ben64> you can install whatever you want on ubuntu, you don't need to reinstall to try another desktop
[11:31] <O_OniGiri> since its probably more stable
[11:32] <O_OniGiri> well, my laptop is pretty good, so it doesnt really matter that gnome is heavier
[11:32] <O_OniGiri> btw, people on internet are all eager to learn linux
[11:33] <O_OniGiri> but what do they mean with 'learning linux'?
[11:33] <cfhowlett> O_OniGiriii, ask them?
[11:33] <O_OniGiri> i see many people recommending learning terminal
[11:33] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, that is a very interesting question
[11:34] <O_OniGiri> but it linux all about terminal?
[11:34] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, it can be.
[11:34] <Ben64> the terminal is very powerful and much easier to use than the windows command prompt
[11:34] <O_OniGiri> currently i am following a course for linux though
[11:34] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, terminal is really important if you are a sys admin.
[11:34] <pozitron> terminal is faster than GUIs
[11:34] <O_OniGiri> the one on edX
[11:35] <Ben64> O_OniGiri: if you don't have any ubuntu support issues, #ubuntu-offtopic is the place for chatting
[11:35] <O_OniGiri> Ahh sorry Ben64
[11:36] <O_OniGiri> bye guys :)
[11:36] <Ben64> O_OniGiri: not a big deal, but with 1500+ people in here, we try to stick to the topic pretty well
[11:36] <O_OniGiri> Yeah I understand
[11:36] <AkivaAvraham> O_OniGiri, drop by #ubuntu-app-devel some time!
[11:36] <O_OniGiri> will do ;)
[11:36] <AkivaAvraham> o/
[11:36]  * A124 lives in termnal
[11:44] <ankur> ?
[11:46] <Aleksa> Help! Firefox got infected. Sometimes it redirects some web sites to unknown spam (for example: http://filestore321.com/)
[11:46] <rrr_> lilstevie: thanks for the link
[11:46] <Aleksa> I have noticed it yesterday
[11:46] <Aleksa> And I thought that I must've clicked on something
[11:46] <AkivaAvraham> Aleksa, :O
[11:46] <eaxxae> Aleksa: apt-get remove firefox, apt-get install firefox .. or use the GUI package manager
[11:46] <Aleksa> Now I realise I didn't click anything
[11:46] <OerHeks> Aleksa, easy to fix, close firefox, and remove ~/.mozilla/firefox
[11:47] <AkivaAvraham> Aleksa, is it one of your addons?
[11:47] <rrr_> what is the difference between ubuntu desktop, ubuntu server, ubuntu cloud?
[11:47] <Aleksa> AkivaAvraham, no addon recently installed
[11:47] <Aleksa> btw, purging it doesn't help
[11:47] <OerHeks> Aleksa, then use clam-av to scan your system
[11:47] <eaxxae> I'd uninstall and reinstall.. not go into terminal and find the user's profile.... you can delete the wrong folder..
[11:47] <Aleksa> I'll try removing .mozilla
[11:48] <eaxxae> noobs in terminal, always leads to trouble...
[11:48] <Aleksa> eaxxae, only one user on my PC
[11:48] <Aleksa> besides root
[11:50] <eaxxae> Aleksa: random pop-ups might not be firefox related.. you could have a worm or something.  I'd backup anything important and reinstall... if the code was smart enough to modify firefox at the user level... it could have escalated privledges to root. BUT, I do get called paranoid a lot
[11:53] <Aleksa> remove or purge firefox?
[11:53] <boodllebat> Hello I recently wrote an small application for Gnome and Unity Env under Gtk 3 It would be great if you take a look and give me feedback I have hosted it on Github Here is the video Demo https://vid.me/mgqy and here is the github link https://github.com/argunner/StickFace2
[11:53] <OerHeks> Aleksa, no need to remove firefox, do those 2 steps first
[11:54] <OerHeks> boodllebat, wrong channel for testing and opinions, try #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:54] <Aleksa> OerHeks, ok, I removed .mozilla/firefox
[11:55] <Aleksa> Now, how do I scan using clam-av? It ain't installed I guess
[11:56] <eaxxae> they say ain't in russia ?
[11:56] <Aleksa> eaxxae, I'm from South Europe - Serbia, not Russia.
[11:56] <Aleksa> so it's my bad english
[11:57] <eaxxae> it's not bad, just informal.. they say it in parts of the US
[11:57] <eaxxae> I grew up saying it
[11:57] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install clamav clamtk # and run the updater first, keep firefox closed
[11:57] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/250290/how-do-i-scan-for-viruses-with-clamav
[11:57] <Aleksa> my fingers were faster :( Now I must wait for synaptic to be installed :(
[11:58] <Aleksa> OerHeks, I must wait few minutes until I could open that link :)
[12:00] <Aleksa> I'm wondering where did that Russia-thing come from. Maybe from output of the command whois that says I'm on channel ubuntu-rs (rs as Republic Serbia, not as Russia)
[12:00] <Aleksa> I guess ru is for russia
[12:01] <AkivaAvraham> Aleksa, Also go to #firefox, and tell them that you got a virus on linux from their browser.
[12:01] <AkivaAvraham> they ought to be mighty interested in that. Viruses aren't supposed to be common on linux.
[12:01] <eaxxae> Aleksa: the nick.. and the IP ... when I hover my mouse on a nick, said RIPE-RU
[12:01] <OerHeks> on't call it a virus, just a browser hijack
[12:01] <eaxxae> is where I got russia
[12:01] <OerHeks> *don't
[12:02] <Aleksa> ok
[12:02] <eaxxae> OerHeks: how do you know what it is at this point ?
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> a virus?
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> how exciting! what does it do?
[12:03] <eaxxae> exploits firefox.. and opens ads/spam for the click-thru profits ?
[12:04] <eaxxae> this guy said just remove the profile... if my browswer was opening random tabs and windows on trusted domains... I'd refresh the pc.. period.  20 years experience.
[12:04] <eaxxae> like it's some add-on... for sure, 100%, theres no way to know that....
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> deleting the ~/.cache folder should solve that issue
[12:05] <Wagih> i have a problem installing ubuntu on my laptop
[12:05] <cfhowlett> !details | Wagih explain
[12:05] <OerHeks> MonkeyDust +1 cache is also a good thing to remove
[12:05] <Wagih> ok :)
[12:06] <Wagih> i have ubuntu 14.10 14.04 , 12.04
[12:06] <Wagih> tried to install them all with no luck
[12:06] <Wagih> first
[12:06] <Wagih> the installation hangs
[12:06] <Wagih> when i press any keyboard button
[12:06] <OerHeks> Wagih, easy on the enter, buddy, please keep it in one line
[12:06] <Wagih> so i just use the touch pad or on-screen keyboard
[12:07] <Wagih> Sorry :$
[12:07] <cfhowlett> Wagih, your hardware??? and STOP USING <enter>
[12:07] <Wagih> ok
[12:10] <Wagih> Laptop Dell XPS 15z, core i7-2640M CPU 2.8. HDD 750 GB, Tried to Install Ubuntu 14.10,14.04, 12.04 but with no luck, all of them just hang when i press any keyboard letter, so i just use the touch pad, 2ndly when it comes to installation it just stops with /dev/sda input/output error
[12:11] <cfhowlett> Wagih, this is from the USB or the hard drive??"
[12:11] <Wagih> cfhowlett, i m trying to install it from USB
[12:12] <cfhowlett> Wagih, SAME usb?  :_
[12:12] <Wagih> i m trying to install from usb to HDD
[12:12] <eaxxae> Wagih:  did you check the laptop hardware against the supported hardware list ?
[12:13] <eaxxae> have you tried using an external USB keyboard ?
[12:13] <cfhowlett> Wagih, try a different USB
[12:13] <Wagih> eaxxae, no where can i check that, tried it but i doesnt  even light up
[12:14] <Wagih> cfhowlett, do you mean a different USB flash drive ?
[12:14] <eaxxae> if you plugged in the keyboard.. and the LED lights don't come on.. either the laptop's usb port is bad, or the keyboard is bad, try another one... this sounds like a hardware issue
[12:14] <cfhowlett> Wagih, this ^^^
[12:14] <OerHeks> Wagih, maybe this anser is any help http://askubuntu.com/questions/540720/setting-up-hybridgraphics-on-dell-xps-15z-l511z-ubuntu-14-04
[12:14] <Aleksa> OerHeks> sudo apt-get install clamav clamtk # and run the updater first, keep firefox closed
[12:15] <Aleksa> the latest firefox installed
[12:15] <eaxxae> linux runs on a toaster, it should work... if it has an i7 especially.... you might need to go into the BIOS and enable usb emulation and legacy support, I had to do that on a few laptops
[12:15] <Wagih> the port is working i boot from it and the keyboard is working on my pc :D
[12:15] <Aleksa> Should I use firefox now for checking the link that shows me how to run that AV?
[12:15] <Wagih> OerHeks, i m checking
[12:16] <OerHeks> Aleksa, use the clamtk icon in your menu, or run manually sudo freshclam
[12:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:20] <eaxxae> why is he running an antivirus... removing the profile didn't work ?
[12:20] <Aleksa> no, I'm running it after removing the profile
[12:24] <Aleksa> now that removing firefox profile Google asks for security code sent via SMS, I don't trust Google security anymore
[12:24] <Aleksa> I thought it's somewhere stored on their server (some signature of PC, I don't know)
[12:24] <Ben64> uh, its because you removed the profile
[12:24] <MonkeyDust> Aleksa  microsoft does that too
[12:25] <Aleksa> but storing it locally on firefox profile, omg!
[12:26] <Ben64> um... no
[12:27] <Aleksa> Virus scanner runs still
[12:27] <Aleksa> threats found: 1
[12:27] <Aleksa> I'm excited
[12:32] <Wagih> Laptop Dell XPS 15z, core i7-2640M CPU 2.8. HDD 750 GB, Tried to Install Ubuntu 14.10,14.04, 12.04 but with no luck, all of them just hang when i press any keyboard letter, so i just use the touch pad, 2ndly when it comes to installation it just stops with /dev/sda input/output error, tried diff. USB Drives, External Keyboards arent working but never mind i'm using on-screen keyboard, tried to fromat the HDD using Disk Utility got the
[12:32] <Wagih> tried also editing the boot menu acpi=off & acpi=noirq with no help
[12:33] <Wagih> "error erasing helper exited with exit code 1 in part_del_partition" tried this solution "sudo swapoff /dev/sda" but get erorr invalid arg.  ***
[12:34] <XTREME-H> please help vlc is not installing on my ubuntu 14.04
[12:36] <MonkeyDust> XTREME-H  what happens when you try
[12:36] <minimec> XTREME-H: o you get any specific error message? "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[12:36] <XTREME-H> i am installing it from software centre
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> XTREME-H  what goes wrong during the installation?
[12:38] <minimec> XTREME-H: consider an installation via terminal. Open a terminal with <ctrl><alt>t, then 'sudo apt-get install vlc'
[12:38] <XTREME-H> i have an error requires instalation from untrusted packages
[12:38] <XTREME-H> i click repair
[12:39] <xutl> mobile broadband disappeared and not coming back in network manager menu after disconnecting 3g dongle
[12:39] <XTREME-H> then another error check your internet connection
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Wagih, still have windows 8 , and are you using it ? if so check out the UEFI tutorial http://zeroset.mnim.org/2014/10/26/unable-to-boot-into-ubuntu-14-10-utopic-unicorn-after-upgrade/
[12:41] <minimec> XTREME-H: Did you add some repositories yourself? You shouldn't have that 'untrusted' repo message with the official ubuntu repositories.
[12:42] <XTREME-H> no i didn't but know i am installing it from terminal
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> XTREME-H  open a terminal and type    sudo apt-get update|pastebinit     then paste the url here
[12:44] <Wagih> BluesKaj will check it but my laptop have no system right now
[12:45] <fred_> hi, can someone help me with a command that i forgot?
[12:45] <XTREME-H> MonkeyDust: i have that error permission and 13 ...... i closed my software centre
[12:46] <Guest22880> how can i launch a program in a proxy using http_proxy via command line?
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> XTREME-H  when do you get that error message?
[12:46] <XTREME-H> when apt-get update
[12:46] <tarelerulz> Do Ubuntu auto config for  SSD  or you need to do a bunch of configing ?
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> XTREME-H  open a terminal and type    sudo apt-get update|pastebinit     then paste the url here
[12:48] <XTREME-H> there is a huge error i will PM you
[12:48] <minimec> XTREME-H: You may have to install 'pastebinit'. It is not installed as default.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Wagih, do you have gparted on any media like a usb or cd?  Looks like you need to create some linux/ext4 partitions on your hard drive
[12:53] <Wagih> BluesKaj ok
[12:54] <Wagih> BluesKaj, but the disk utlity isnt working i ca try from Hirens CD
[12:54] <Aleksa> Security threats: 9
[12:55] <xutl> mobile broadband disappeared and not coming back in network manager menu after disconnecting and reconnecting 3g dongle
[12:56] <MonkeyDust> Aleksa  make a screenshot and paste it here
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> Aleksa  http://imgur.com/
[12:59] <Aleksa> damn prt scr
[12:59] <xutl> help --> mobile broadband disappeared and not coming back in network manager menu after disconnecting and reconnecting 3g dongle
[13:03] <Wagih> BluesKaj, Used gparted to create linux-swap 12GB , and another partition ext4 200GB will try to install now
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Wagih, ok
[13:05] <LPG1> Good morning!
[13:08] <Wagih> BluesKaj, in the installation when i choose where to install , i choose "something else..." but it doesnt view my partitions
[13:08] <Aleksa> guys, nine threats! http://imgur.com/R2NtaQB
[13:08] <Aleksa> I can't believe it
[13:08] <FBI> Wagih: I would do a seperate / and /home
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Wagih, use manual partitioning
[13:09] <cfhowlett> clear
[13:09] <ovrflw0x> FBI, is it --> Forgetful Boring Idiot?
[13:10] <xutl> help --> mobile broadband disappeared and not coming back in network manager menu after disconnecting and reconnecting 3g dongle
[13:10] <Aleksa> MonkeyDust, the link from scan: http://imgur.com/R2NtaQB
[13:11] <MonkeyDust> Aleksa  type    rm -r ~/.cache     to solve the problem
[13:11] <ovrflw0x> huh?
[13:11] <minimec> Wagih: I would only do two partitions, '/' and '/home'. I do NOT use a separate swap anymore. I either install zram-config for 'swap in RAM' or create a swap file. 12GB of swap is overkill... That's enaugh for a full linux system partition... ;)
[13:11] <MonkeyDust> Aleksa  all the threats are situated in the cache, so delete the cache file
[13:12] <MonkeyDust> folder*
[13:12] <Aleksa> MonkeyDust, could someone analyse it? For example, firefox guys?
[13:13] <cfhowlett> google it.  first hit.  don't be lazy.
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> Aleksa  analyzing firefox 'threats' is beyond the scope of this channel
[13:13] <Aleksa> ok
[13:14] <BluesKaj> minimec, let's just let him get ubuntu installed right now , the fewer distractions , the better , besides he has a 750G drive, plenty of room
[13:17] <ovrflw0x> cfhowlett, google it'.' first hit'.' don't be lazy'.'    why do you use periods so much that makes you sound smarter? ;)
[13:18] <ovrflw0x> huh?
[13:19] <ovrflw0x> k. bye. i go. later. see ya.
[13:20] <OerHeks> Aleksa, just remove thet ~/.cache/firefox folder too, that should solve
[13:28] <Guest43053> goddamnit does anyone know how to open tools in iceweasel
[13:28] <Guest43053> the enitre toolbar is missing :S
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> Guest43053  no profane language here, please
[13:28] <EriC^^> Guest43053: are you in unity?
[13:32] <OerHeks> iceweasel is not in the repos
[13:33] <OerHeks> maybe the toolbar is on the top panel, not sure
[13:33] <cfhowlett> per wikipedia, iceweasel is no longer maintained ... icecat is the current brand
[13:34] <cfhowlett> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat
[13:35] <EriC^^> firefox says Provides: gnome-www-browser, iceweasel, www-browser
[13:35] <Guest43053> ok it is driving me mad, the stuff like , EDIT VIEW TOOLS is just gone :S
[13:36] <OerHeks> LoLz
[13:36] <xtpeeps> Can't log in my college web by line, anyone can handle this?
[13:36] <EriC^^> www-browser works, iceweasel says command not found
[13:36] <EriC^^> Guest43053: try pressing tab
[13:36] <EriC^^> *alt
[13:36] <EriC^^> oh ok, www-browser opens elinks
[13:36] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  sounds like a question for your college's web administrator
[13:37] <Guest43053> EriC^^: thank you sir, you are a genius
[13:37] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: Should I connecte the administrator?
[13:38] <EriC^^> Guest43053: no problem
[13:42] <dominiqu1> hi
[13:42] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: I can touch the web in my Windows system, but can't in Ubuntu.
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  i missed that part in your question
[13:43] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  what happens when you try
[13:45] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: Let me see, wait a min
[13:46] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  and how do you try it
[13:47] <damnme> hi
[13:47] <TrivialGravitas> I have a fresh install and no swap partition
[13:47] <TrivialGravitas> the partition is there but not recognized
[13:48] <damnme> i need mixed library for lcd2*16
[13:48] <MonkeyDust> TrivialGravitas  try   sudo swapon -a
[13:48] <TrivialGravitas> "swapon: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1: stat failed: No such file or directory"
[13:49] <MonkeyDust> encrypted swap
[13:49] <TrivialGravitas> I've seen this before and fixed it by reformatting swap, but it won't work now
[13:49] <BluesKaj> TrivialGravitas, then use gparted to the swap on
[13:49] <BluesKaj> turn
[13:49] <TrivialGravitas> KDE
[13:49] <TrivialGravitas> Doesn't work
[13:49] <TrivialGravitas> Unless gparted has features the KDE partition manager doesn't?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> !doesn't work
[13:50] <TrivialGravitas> I mean the partition manager refuses to do anything at all with the swap partition, all options are greyed out
[13:50] <artisanIndia> can anyone suggest me a good http debugger for ubuntu ?
[13:51] <damnme>  i need mixed library for lcd2*16
[13:51] <artisanIndia> like substitute for fiddler on ubuntu
[13:51] <BluesKaj> TrivialGravitas, then you probly already have more than 4 primary partitions
[13:51] <TrivialGravitas> I have 3
[13:51] <TrivialGravitas> root, swap, home
[13:51] <BluesKaj> do you have windows ?
[13:52] <TrivialGravitas> no
[13:52] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: I just wanna connect the internet by wired ,and I dial-up in windows  ,now ,I can't connect by wired.
[13:53] <xutl> help --> mobile broadband disappeared and not coming back in network manager menu after disconnecting and reconnecting 3g dongle
[13:53] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  dial up? you mean like the old days? can you reach any other url?
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> TrivialGravitas  what's the outcome of    sudo blkid|pastebinit
[13:54] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: nonono ,like VPN
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  that's a lot of details you didnt mention... now, start from the beginning
[13:57] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, not sure what fiddler is... are you looking for something like POSTMan chrome application?
[13:57] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, or perhaps Charles Web Debugging proxy
[13:58] <artisanIndia> no sure what POSTMan is
[13:58] <artisanIndia> fiddler is web debugging proxy you can say
[13:58] <artisanIndia> it tracks all the http request a website sent out
[13:58] <TrivialGravitas> MonkeyDust, That i don't have pastebinit, gimme a bit, other stuff installing as we speak
[13:59] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, yeah Charles Web debugging proxy does the same and lets you repeat/modify requests and man in the middle on SSL
[13:59] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, it looks like Fiddler has a linux/os x compatible build using mono too http://fiddler.wikidot.com/mono
[14:00] <artisanIndia> k
[14:00] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: okey~now I connect up the wire line.
[14:00] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, POSTMan is for crafting requests to particular URLs and seeing the response, it's good for building and manually testing APIs
[14:00] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: but I can't connect the web.
[14:01] <artisanIndia> having a look on postman
[14:01] <artisanIndia> will that work on chromium too ?
[14:02] <artisanIndia> installing
[14:02] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  you can connect, but can't connect the web? meaning?
[14:02] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, think so I usually use regular chrome for dev but have chromium on here too
[14:03] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, had some font rendering issues on chromium wasn't looking as nice for a while there so I switched to regular Chrome most of the time
[14:03] <artisanIndia> ok
[14:03] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: I connected the wire line ..
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  you mean the physical cable?
[14:04] <shezhawt> ubuntu is awesome
[14:04] <artisanIndia> wafflejock what do you code ?
[14:04] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: yes that's it
[14:04] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: physical cable
[14:05] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, can you ping www.ubuntu.com
[14:05] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, lots of AngularJS using PHP/Eloquent/Slim/MySQL server side usually, started recently playing with SailsJS (node/express/ORM)
[14:06] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, should keep only support topics in this chat though, join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat, I'm in #programmers and #angularjs right now too
[14:06] <artisanIndia> ok sorry for that
[14:06] <shezhawt> wazzup ladies ?
[14:06] <wafflejock> artisanIndia, no worries just don't want to get in the way of support conversations
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> shezhawt  wrong channel
[14:06] <artisanIndia> k k
[14:06] <artisanIndia> dafuq shezhawt
[14:07] <shezhawt> MonkeyDust, ubuntu has a lot of hot chicks
[14:07] <shezhawt> I saw in an event
[14:07] <jerrcs> Those were their mothers.
[14:07] <shezhawt> lol
[14:07] <shezhawt> no
[14:07] <OerHeks> !ot | shezhawt jerrcs
[14:07] <wafflejock> !ot
[14:08] <jerrcs> I actually believe that was on-topic, thanks OerHeks and wafflejock.
[14:08] <wafflejock> as funny as that is... keep the chat to support and keep the language tame, there may be kids in here
[14:08] <shezhawt> OerHeks, you are a bore
[14:08] <jerrcs> There was nothing wrong with my language.
[14:08] <wafflejock> shezhawt, go to #ubuntu-offtopic lots of playing htere
[14:08] <jerrcs> Is the English language not permitted for use in here?
[14:08] <wafflejock> jerrcs, nothing wrong with your language no, was referring to artisanIndia
[14:08] <ester> buonasera
[14:08] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: it says "destination host unreachable"
[14:08] <shezhawt> ok fine tell me guys, who wrote the Ubuntu ?
[14:09] <shezhawt> I would like to thanks him
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, that's bad... sure the cable itself is ok?
[14:09] <shezhawt> its free of cost and opensource
[14:09] <jerrcs> OK. Anyway, my girlfriend uses Ubuntu, so I would agree there are attractive girls who use it.
[14:09] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: yea the lingts on
[14:09] <shezhawt> jerrcs, ok, she has a friend ?
[14:09] <wafflejock> shezhawt, lots of developers have contributed to Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth is the figurehead and owner of Canonical that makes this particular distribution of open source code
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  can you ping the router?
[14:09] <TrivialGravitas> MonkeyDust, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9767476/
[14:09] <jerrcs> shezhawt: You should perhaps read the Wikipedia page to get up to speed.
[14:10] <Guest43053> lol ubuntu is my GF
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> TrivialGravitas  idd, no swap
[14:11] <shezhawt> wafflejock, Is there an official book to learn Ubuntu ?
[14:11] <jerrcs> Official book? What..?
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> !manual | shezhawt
[14:11] <wafflejock> shezhawt, no not one official book I have like 4 on my shelf, the manual there is a good free starting point though
[14:12] <TrivialGravitas> That would be the problem I started with.  Good news though, installed gparted, apparently it's just the KDE partition manager that has the problem
[14:12] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: :( the same
[14:12] <TrivialGravitas> works now
[14:12] <shezhawt> wafflejock, ok
[14:12] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: ....unreachable
[14:12] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, it must be in your network config files then, i guess
[14:13] <shezhawt> jerrcs, also Nixie Pixel's video inspired me to use Ubuntu
[14:13] <jerrcs> Nixie's an interesting girl. I like her videos.
[14:13] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: so ...what's the next ?
[14:13] <wafflejock> shezhawt, heh yeah Nixie makes some good stuff IMO helps bring Linux to the people
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  what's the output of   cat /etc/network/interfaces|pastebinit
[14:14] <jerrcs> However, just because an attractive girl tells you to use Ubuntu doesn't mean you should use it. There's various distributions, all catering to different needs. Linux is not a a "one size fits all" type of OS.
[14:15] <wafflejock> MonkeyDust, you can also pass the file as an arg to pastebinit just FYI
[14:15] <Wagih> FBI , BluesKaj , minimec i used manual partitioning but it hangs with the mouse cursor loading
[14:15] <BluesKaj> TrivialGravitas, Kubuntu 14.10? if so the KDE partition manager works fine here. Perhaps you need to update upgrade and dist-upgrade to complete your install
[14:15] <wafflejock> jerrcs, no but Ubuntu does offer a relatively easy to adjust to environment for most people coming from Windows or OS X, once they get more familiar with how Linux works and other distributions and get more informed they can decide what's best for them
[14:16] <shezhawt> wafflejock, no here ..... brings people to her and then linux
[14:16] <shezhawt> her*
[14:16] <FBI> Wagih: try the text mode installer, it is somewhat less buggy
[14:17] <xtpeeps> #interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8)and ifdown(8)   auto lo  iface lo net loopback.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Wagih, wireless mouse and KB ?
[14:18] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: #interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8)and ifdown(8)   auto lo  iface lo net loopback.
[14:18] <jerrcs> wafflejock: again, it depends on the experience level and needs. i found nixie's videos after knowing a fair bit about the OS already.
[14:18] <wafflejock> shezhawt, join me over in #ubuntu-offtopic so we can keep this channel open for people asking for or doing support and we can chat there
[14:18] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: I didn't install pastebinit
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  no, paste this line in a terminal   cat /etc/network/interfaces|pastebinit
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> ah
[14:19] <Wagih> BluesKaj, no wireless kb & mouse
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  do you have acces to the web, other than with the cable?
[14:19] <Wagih> FBI, how go to the text mode installer
[14:20] <FBI> Wagih: the alternate install image aka netinstall image
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Wagih, try using the touchpad instead of the connected mouse
[14:20] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: WiFi?
[14:21] <Wagih> BluesKaj, i m using the touchpad and it's working fine
[14:21] <Wagih> FBI ok will download it
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  yes
[14:22] <xtpeeps> I paste the line in the terminal but it says"I didn't install pastebinit"
[14:23] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: okay now
[14:23] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: by wifi
[14:24] <ramin> hi
[14:24] <xtpeeps> Should I atp-get pastebinit ,I'm doing this
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, now install pastebinit
[14:25] <Iveny> wow
[14:26] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: OK, OK. Then I get:http://paste.Ubuntu.com/9767548/
[14:27] <xtpeeps> What's this meaning
[14:28] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  lo is loopback ... now: cat /etc/resolv.conf|pastebinit
[14:29] <bipul> I would like to know, apart of testing,debugging and writing. Any other team? Like the one who write codes in C.
[14:29] <bipul> Where i can get them?
[14:29] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: another website: http://paste.Ubuntu.com/9767566/
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  i wonder why you can connect by wifi and not by cable, usually it's the other way round
[14:31] <xtpeeps> Omg,it seems my server was setting<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps try this, moment ...
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  sudo -e /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  and change the nameserver's address
[14:34] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: how to write ^o
[14:34] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  what's your editor?
[14:34] <xtpeeps> Vi
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, press i to insert text, when you're ready, type : and then wq
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, press i to insert text, when you're ready, typeesc, then : and then wq
[14:36] <wonderworld> i have a 3g modem in my notebook. is it possible to use it as a cell phone too? like placing normal calls from my comp?
[14:37] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust:here`s a problem that I seems get in a GNU nano ,how I quite this
[14:37] <bipul> wonderworld, what exactly you wants to do with your notebook. And what it has to do with ubuntu OS?
[14:38] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  nano is a different editor, use ctrl x to exit it
[14:38] <FBI> xtpeeps: it says so at the bottom of the screen
[14:38] <FBI> it says ^X Exit
[14:39] <FBI> ^O WriteOut
[14:39] <FBI> ^G Get Help
[14:39] <bipul> xtpeeps, Use gedit , it's gnome supported. And easy to do any text task on it.
[14:39] <MonkeyDust> FBI  don't confuse people while they are struggling, please
[14:39] <bipul> CTRL + X hit enter.
[14:39] <FBI> MonkeyDust: uhm, how is this confusing?
[14:40] <FBI> MonkeyDust: how is pointing people to the button to press confusing?
[14:40] <FBI> now I'm confused :/
[14:41] <bipul> xtpeeps, It's really simple to get out from "nano" editor. What you need to do is to press both [ctrl + x]
[14:41] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: should I use :vi /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[14:42] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  yes
[14:42] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  i mean: yes, that file, with the editor of your choice
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  and put sudo in front of the command, or you can't write
[14:43] <faLUCE> hello, can you suggest me a MINIMAL text editor with: 1) I can choose default font 2) I can apply bold and italic to this font.
[14:43] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: oh,too bad it seems an empty file:/
[14:44] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, now add: nameserver [ip address of your router]
[14:44] <Zero_Work> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and it freezes after attempting to login
[14:44] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: BTW, what's the nameserver
[14:44] <Zero_Work> I can still drop to a virtual term
[14:45] <bipul> !info ubuntu 14.04
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  usually it's <IP_ADDRESS> or so
[14:45] <Zero_Work> Ubuntu 14.04
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  i guess the command 'dig' shows it
[14:45] <Zero_Work> 14.04.1 LTS
[14:46] <bipul> Zero_Work, Could you explain more about it? , like from where you have downloaded and how you have installed on your machine.
[14:46] <bipul> I always recommend to use LTS version. At least it is less buggy.
[14:46] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: should I just write :<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:47] <Zero_Work> bipul, I downloaded it from the Ubuntu website. I'm dual booting my machine with windows. Ubuntu has its own drive but the boot loader lives on an SSD with windows. There is also a RAID 5 NTFS array in the system.
[14:47] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: or:nameserver[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:48] <bipul> Zero_Work, Are you using graphic card?
[14:48] <Zero_Work> bipul it was booting fine for months
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  open an new terminal window and type: route -n    what's the gateway?
[14:48] <Zero_Work> bipul , yes NVIDIA GTX 970. Just tried uninstalling prop drivers
[14:49] <bipul> Yes, i got your problem. Do one thing you know how to file a bug.
[14:49] <Zero_Work> Yes, I have an account
[14:49] <bipul> Great.
[14:49] <bipul> But before take a test
[14:49] <arshia> Hi , I downloaded Eclipse for linux , but i cannot find the .deb package on the archive , what to do ???
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> !find eclipse
[14:50] <Zero_Work> arishia, elcipse is portable
[14:50] <Zero_Work> you can just run it
[14:50] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: there are 2 of the gateway one is :<IP_ADDRESS>.  The second is <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:50] <faLUCE> hello, can you suggest me a MINIMAL text editor with: 1) I can choose default font 2) I can apply bold and italic to this font.
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, the use    nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> then*
[14:51] <arshia> Zero_Work: Really ???!!! What is the extension of the executable file ???
[14:51] <Zero_Work> bipul I don't understand, it was working fine a few days ago.
[14:51] <bipul> Zero_Work, reboot your system, then login ,if the problem persist, then press [alt + f4]. or try doing ssh in your system. It is to check either your system has a problem with graphics card or not.
[14:51] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: OK then:<IP_ADDRESS>[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:52] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: right?
[14:52] <bipul> If your system works fine in a console mode then, it is a problem of graphics card
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  no, not the [<IP_ADDRESS>], delete that
[14:52] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: okey, ok
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  just   nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:52] <Zero_Work> arishia there is an executable file called eclipse
[14:52] <b10s_> hi2all
[14:52] <Zero_Work> it doesn't have an extension.
[14:53] <arshia> Zero_Work: it cannot open it.
[14:53] <b10s_> how can i check which SATA i have?
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, now save and close that file and type     sudo resolvconf -u
[14:53] <Zero_Work> Does it give you an error?
[14:53] <b10s_> cos looks like my hdd now works under ATA
[14:53] <arshia> Zero_Work: I'll pastebin the problem.
[14:54] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: u mean :nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:54] <bipul> Zero_Work, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220426
[14:54] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  yes
[14:54] <Zero_Work> bipul : https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
[14:54] <Zero_Work> ..oops
[14:54] <Zero_Work> ..that is cool too but not what I wanted to paste
[14:54] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: OK  saved, woo
[14:55] <Zero_Work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9767698/
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, now  type     sudo resolvconf -u
[14:55] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: type is okey
[14:55] <xtpeeps> Null
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  not better? any errors?
[14:56] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: then?
[14:56] <xtpeeps> No
[14:56] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: just nothing
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  did you type        sudo resolvconf -u
[14:57] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: yea I did
[14:57] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  ok, now, with the cable,  try to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:57] <elektron_> @#$
[14:58] <bipul> Zero_Work, Ok, is that your current log file?
[14:58] <Zero_Work> biped yes
[14:58] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: OK  everything is fine
[14:58] <Zero_Work> ..auto correct
[14:58] <arshia> Zero_Work , http://paste.ubuntu.com/9767719/
[14:58] <Zero_Work> bipul
[14:58] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: I get the time
[14:59] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  problem solved?
[14:59] <Zero_Work> arshia, why are you trying to open with an archive manager? Is the file executable?
[15:00] <arshia> Zero_Work, no , .tar.gz is the extension of the file.
[15:00] <bipul> Humm.. I don't find any issue.
[15:00] <Zero_Work> bipul I may need to try to login again... one sec
[15:01] <bipul> Yes, do it and check, and then let me know. Let see what i can do for you.
[15:01] <Zero_Work> thanks
[15:01] <arshia> Zero_Work, the extension of the file is ".tar.gz" , what can i do ?
[15:02] <Zero_Work> That is a compressed archive
[15:02] <Zero_Work> you need to decompress it then un archive it
[15:02] <Zero_Work> Ill send you instructions
[15:02] <bipul> arshia, Just untar it.
[15:03] <Zero_Work> http://askubuntu.com/questions/262068/how-to-extract-a-tar-gz-file
[15:03] <EriC^^> arshia: what are you installing btw?
[15:03] <bipul> !info .tar.gz
[15:03] <bipul> ops
[15:03] <arshia> EriC^^: Eclipse IDE
[15:04] <anonymous__> Hello
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> arshia  eclipse is in the software center / repos
[15:04] <EriC^^> arshia: why dont you install it from the repository? sudo apt-get install eclipse
[15:04] <Zero_Work> bipul , system is frozen and can't drop to a terminal... going to try SSG
[15:04] <Zero_Work> ssh
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> !info eclipse
[15:04] <anonymous__> GO TO DDOS WEB SITE
[15:04] <Mihaibuc> http://Earn4Share.com/?id=70135
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> anonymous__  wrong channel
[15:04] <anonymous__> realhack.ucoz.net
[15:05] <arshia> EriC^^, Now i downloaded it and i don't want to waste my Internet again . What should i do with this status ?
[15:05] <anonymous__> I m new
[15:05] <anonymous__> IM NEW
[15:06] <EriC^^> arshia: it's better if you install it from the repositories cause it will be integrated with the system and get updated when you update the system and wont break any other packages
[15:06] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: oh no  I still can't connect
[15:06] <anonymous__> Who will teach the sutes to break
[15:06] <dobrishinov> Hello
[15:06] <bipul> Zero_Work, Press [ctrl + alt + f2 or f3]
[15:06] <anonymous__> HELLO!
[15:06] <Zero_Work> bipul, ssh isn't working either
[15:07] <Topsy> hi
[15:07] <Topsy> we r new here
[15:07] <Zero_Work> bipul, yes tried that
[15:07] <arshia> EriC^^, You mean i should download it from the terminal ??? no better way to keep up with this ?????
[15:07] <bipul> Zero_Work, Is it not working?
[15:07] <anonymous__> HELP ME !!!
[15:07] <Zero_Work> bipul, nope
[15:08] <EriC^^> arshia: yes, it's better that way
[15:08] <Zero_Work> anonymou__ ask a question
[15:08] <Zero_Work> anonymous__ ask a question
[15:08] <anonymous__> Want to off site 1
[15:08] <Zero_Work> bipul, I'm about to reinstall I think
[15:08] <anonymous__> Help ME
[15:08] <arshia> EriC^^: Ok ...
[15:08] <bipul> wait,
[15:09] <bipul> I am sitting on slow speed. So i might take some time. Between if you want to reinstall then as your wish.
[15:09] <anonymous__> This website realhack.ucoz.net
[15:10] <anonymous__> Tematic HACK
[15:10] <bipul> Zero_Work, Get me your /var/log files.
[15:10] <anonymous__> Virus programm
[15:10] <anonymous__> I from russia
[15:10] <Zero_Work> bipul, ok looks like Ill have to do a hard restart
[15:10] <BluesKaj> !ru | anonymous__
[15:10] <bipul> anonymous__, Don't sounds like noob. This is a Ubuntu channel, please talk about ubuntu.
[15:11] <anonymous__> I DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH
[15:11] <BluesKaj> anonymous__, ^
[15:11] <bipul> anonymous__, then how come you are writing it?
[15:11] <Zero_Work> bipul, HD activity light is solid, if that gives you a clue
[15:12] <bipul> just get me a log file and system details. I will look at my free time.
[15:12] <OerHeks> how is that helpfull, bipul ?
[15:12] <Zero_Work> Can you PM me an email?
[15:13] <bipul> OerHeks, At least i will search it.
[15:13] <Zero_Work> bipul... lol it just booted fine
[15:13] <bipul> ok.
[15:13] <Zero_Work> maybe my hard drive is going bad and leaving it turned off for a few seconds did something
[15:13] <Zero_Work> ... ill check SMART
[15:13] <arshia> Why some of these apps on Software center are not free ? isn't Gnu Linux's Apps open source ??????
[15:14] <ikonia> arshia: not all apps are open source
[15:14] <arshia> or at least free ???
[15:14] <MonkeyDust> xtpeeps  i'm out of ideas, maybe someone else can help
[15:14] <ikonia> arshia: some are comcercial products
[15:15] <arshia> ikonia: Hmm... Ok , got it...
[15:16] <Zero_Work> bipul, yeah I guess it might be a drive issue. SMART says this one has been running for over 2 years now. seek errors are starting to smell.
[15:16] <Zero_Work> Looks like a trip to Microcenter is in my future
[15:16] <Zero_Work> Thanks for the help
[15:19] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: its okey, Thank you so much ,so kind of u:)
[15:19] <xtpeeps> MonkeyDust: Thank you for your patient
[15:20] <anonymous__> People I i well english teach you )))
[15:21] <anonymous__> I FROM RUSSIA !
[15:22] <BluesKaj> anonymous__, what is your problem?
[15:22] <Zero_Work> He's a troll, best to ignore
[15:23] <BluesKaj> Zero_Work, are you sure?
[15:23] <Zero_Work> 80%
[15:23] <anonymous__> I FROM RUSSIA And do not know English
[15:23] <anonymous__> USE TRANSLATION
[15:23] <anonymous__> ^_^
[15:23] <ikonia> !ru | anonymous__
[15:24] <Zero_Work> anonymous__, ask a question if you need specific help
[15:24] <anonymous__> Zero thank YOU
[15:25] <anonymous__> While i will try to communicate with you ^
[15:25] <Zero_Work> ok
[15:26] <Zero_Work> BluesKaj, I may have been wrong =/
[15:26] <anonymous__> IT is difficult but nothing
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Zero_Work, we'll see
[15:27] <anonymous__> I am 15 years olD ^D
[15:27] <Zero_Work> ahh
[15:27] <arshia> anonymous__: Funny : Same age ...
[15:27] <anonymous__> YES.....
[15:27] <BluesKaj> anonymous__, just ask your question
[15:27] <Zero_Work> anonymous__ What is your problem?
[15:28] <anonymous__> Zero ANYTHING"
[15:28] <bipul> Actully we don't need to feed the troll.
[15:28] <Zero_Work> bipul++
[15:29] <bipul> ok later.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Zero_Work, looks like he just wants to chit chat
[15:29] <Zero_Work> Yeah I'm finished. anonymous__ if you aren't a troll, you may need to try to find someone that speaks your language to help out. Google translate isn't working too well.
[15:29] <anonymous__> With WML will quickly learn ENGLISH i think PEOPLE
[15:30] <anonymous__> Not only shebites
[15:30] <arshia> Zero_Work: What is a troll ?! a kind of bot or something ??
[15:30] <anonymous__> AXAAXA
[15:30] <Zero_Work> arishia, a prankster I guess.
[15:30] <Torzon> im trying to setup my Ubuntu for Tor Browsing Only and its not working well anyone can help me ?
[15:30] <anonymous__> I dont Understand
[15:31] <ikonia> anonymous__: I suggest you use #ubuntu-ru as your translation is not working
[15:31] <ikonia> !ru | anonymous__
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> anonymous__  type   /j #ubuntu-ru
[15:31] <anonymous__> Communicate with me often words i will remember
[15:31] <anonymous__> IDOKIA I KNOW
[15:32] <ikonia> anonymous__: then please use #ubuntu-ru
[15:33] <anonymous__> ikonia I want to be here
[15:33] <anonymous__> Please )
[15:33] <anonymous__> I'm in 8 th grade
[15:34] <anonymous__> you how much year
[15:34] <ikonia> anonymous__: this channel is for ubuntu chat only
[15:34] <BluesKaj> anonymous__, we don't teach english in this channel
[15:35] <xtpeeps> Funny first seen this
[15:35] <anonymous__> OH///
[15:35] <anonymous__> THANK YOU HELP
[15:35] <EriC^^> anonymous__: go to #ubuntu-offtopic to chat
[15:35] <arshia> Zero_Work: Looks like you're right .
[15:36] <Zero_Work> yeah, probably getting posted directly to 4chan
[15:36] <anonymous__> Eric you are from whic country
[15:36] <Guest80890> .xchat2/budus.so
[15:37] <arshia> anonymous__: This is IRC; not the viber or yahoo massanger.
[15:44] <Seryth> Hi all. I've got a bit of a problem with xorg. Whenever i run startx, it just crashes and I can't access TTY or move the cursor (which shows up) or anything. I'm not actually running on Ubuntu atm, but on Debian, but I figure you guys will probably be able to lend a hand to this. It's an old Dell Inspiron 1300 laptop.
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> Seryth  better ask in #debian, then
[15:47] <Seryth> MonkeyDust, I did half an hour ago, no response and join/part messages have hidden my question. I've found #ubuntu to be a lot more active than #debian, and I don't think this is a distro specific problem at the moment.
[15:48] <MonkeyDust> Seryth  this channel *is* distro specific
[15:49] <xchatter> I just got my new laptop and installed Kubuntu in an encrypted LVM. After the installation finished I had to enter my passphrase 3 times before it loaded Kubuntu. But each time it said successful. Does this have to do with UEFI somehow? I never had an UEFI BIOS before or could it be some other problem?
[15:50] <fedorafan> Seryth maybe try to reinstall your desktop environment
[15:50] <ikonia> fedorafan: please don't offer random help
[15:50] <ikonia> we do not support debian here
[15:51] <Seryth> Yeah I get I shouldn't have asked here
[15:52] <fedorafan> yeah here its just talk about ubuntu but wehre to set bounds
[15:52] <ikonia> fedorafan: the bounds are set - if it's ubuntu its ok
[15:53] <xchatter> Now it worked.
[15:53] <xchatter> Strange.
[15:55] <xchatter> What could be the reason that when I installed Kubuntu and choose German keyboard layout that "y" and "z" are still switched in the login window of Kubuntu but once I am logged in "y" and "z" are mapped correctly to the keyboard I have
[15:56] <andres_> hola
[15:56] <LPG> Hola
[15:57] <xtpeeps> Hola
[15:58] <LPG> Ubuntu must have change.
[15:58] <ikonia> ?
[15:59] <xtpeeps> What's the meaning
[15:59] <LPG> Hmm...
[16:01] <LPG> It is complicated.
[16:01] <arshia> I'm downloading the eclipse from the terminal , why it is not finishing ????!!!
[16:01] <LPG> Reinstall
[16:01] <ikonia> arshia: it's quite a big package
[16:01] <ikonia> arshia: what is the name of the package you installed
[16:01] <arshia> eclipse
[16:02] <arshia> installing , not installed
[16:02] <ikonia> what was the exact command you run
[16:04] <haruna> @find junketsu
[16:04] <OerHeks> haruna, try !find
[16:09] <delac> i would like to force sound through speakers even when headphones are plugged in. I have managed to disable Auto-Mute, but the speakers are still muted after restart, likely by PulseAudio. How to configure it to not do it?
[16:12] <OerHeks> delac,  most hardware detect headphone and disconnect line out, so if you find a solution, let us know
[16:15] <nicholas> on a thinkpad x120e and have a strange issue: when press the power button, it does a force shutdown, then restarts. the power dialog comes up, but as soon as I release the power button, it force shuts down. Any help/ideas?
[16:15] <delac> OerHeks: it is possible to get the speakers to work even when the headphones are plugged in. the problem is that I dont seem to be able to make the settings permanent
[16:15] <OerHeks> delac no, it is hardware that does that, not software.
[16:16] <delac> OerHeks: hardware does what?
[16:17] <OerHeks> ...
[16:18] <BluesKaj> delac, plugging headphones into some sound cards shorts the speaker outputs
[16:18] <OerHeks> delac, stop trolling
[16:18] <OerHeks> you asked,<delac> OerHeks: it is possible to get the speakers to work even when the headphones are plugged in.
[16:18] <nicholas> anyone? please?
[16:18] <delac> BluesKaj: not in this case. I am able to use the speakers with certain settings. I just cant make the settings permanent
[16:18] <junming> hi all
[16:19] <junming> i have a question about download managers on linux in general
[16:19] <sudormrf> hey guys
[16:19] <k1l> junming: its not that common to use them.
[16:19] <sudormrf> what is the best way to see what folders on the entire machine are taking up the most space using the cli?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> delac, did you setup alsamixer with those options?
[16:20] <junming> k1l, i know, but i need a download manager to check by itself, automatically, and regularly, a rss feed (or any xml file, or html or whatever) to retrieve new links and download automatically
[16:21] <k1l> sudormrf: "ncdu"
[16:21] <delac> BluesKaj: i did disavle the automute there, and that setting sticks. But the speaker volume still gets muted and set to zero
[16:21] <sudormrf> k1l, that is only showing me the current directory
[16:21] <sudormrf> I want to see the entire machine
[16:21] <k1l> sudormrf: then go to /
[16:21] <sudormrf> derp.  thanks :D
[16:21] <sudormrf> just did ncdu /
[16:22] <nicholas> on a thinkpad x120e and have a strange issue: when press the power button, it does a force shutdown, then restarts. the power dialog comes up, but as soon as I release the power button, it force shuts down. Any help/ideas? thanks!
[16:22] <sudormrf> trying to figure out what all of a sudden filled my drive up
[16:22] <sudormrf> lel
[16:22] <kibibyte> hi
[16:23] <kibibyte> what i shuould buy in order to install ubuntu phone on it ?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> delac, does F5 in alsamixer show a heaphone output ?
[16:23] <kibibyte> whine phone *
[16:23] <kibibyte> what phone*
[16:23] <MonkeyDust> !phone| kibibyte
[16:24] <kibibyte> k
[16:24] <delac> BluesKaj: yes
[16:24] <nicholas> anyone? please? :-p
[16:25] <delac> BluesKaj: I think I could solve my problem if I could make Pavucontrol to remember a certain setting even after reboot. Is there a way to force that?
[16:26] <Guest34014> sera
[16:26] <Guest34014> che si dice qui?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> delac, then set the volume on the headphone output and the speaker outs, then run sudo alsactl store in the terminal
[16:27] <DocWaffle> Brand ne
[16:27] <krabador> Guest34014, il canale italiano è #ubuntu-it
[16:27] <krabador> Guest34014, t'è stato anche segnalato , ci sono problemi?
[16:28] <sudormrf> k1l, is there a way to make ncdu exclude a certain folder from its search?
[16:28] <DocWaffle> attempting to get Ubuntu going for the first time ever, is this the right channel or is there a more appropriate one?
[16:28] <cfhowlett> DocWaffle, right channel.  ask
[16:28] <sudormrf> DocWaffle, for ubuntu desktop this is the correct channel
[16:28] <DocWaffle> Thanks
[16:29] <delac> BluesKaj: I was sort of hoping to fix this with user settings
[16:30] <DocWaffle>  So far my issue is my pic won't boot from disk even when I change the settings it boots windows from the hard drive
[16:30] <BluesKaj> delac, what's your audio chip?
[16:30] <cfhowlett> DocWaffle, hardware specifications???
[16:31] <eraggo> DocWaffle: you can try to change boot order from BIOS. Other way is to change boot disk with F8 (in most computers) while boot is happening. Sometimes it might be ESC-key
[16:32] <Delta706> is it possible to select nothing for the default mail application?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> delac, the audio chip is listed in the top left in alsamixer
[16:32] <delac> BluesKaj: its not like theres any problem with the chip or drivers. The problem is theres a piece of jack stuck in the headphones plug and I need a temporary fix for a friend
[16:33] <DocWaffle> AMD Fx(tm)-4130 Quad-Core Processor 3.8 GHz
[16:33] <DocWaffle> 8 GHz installed ram
[16:34] <DocWaffle> 64 bit OS
[16:34] <cfhowlett> DocWaffle, you're making a boot disk?  Not usb?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> delac, well pulseaudio settings like to over ride alsa settings, if it's an intel audio chip , you safely run all the audio without pulseaudio installed on mos intel audio setups
[16:35] <ropo_> can someon teach me javascript
[16:35] <DocWaffle> Yeah, it's del for me, but that doesn't actually do anything, it still boots windows from the HD
[16:35] <k1l> ropo_: better ask in a javascript channel
[16:36] <k1l> !alis | ropo_
[16:36] <BluesKaj> delac, hence alsamixer settings can then determine final audio settings for the system
[16:36] <ropo_> hello
[16:36] <cfhowlett> DocWaffle, 1.  verify your .iso       2. verify your boot DVD   3. go into your bios, disable the HDD and choose dvd as the boot device
[16:36] <DocWaffle> Um, actually the boot disk was too big, so I tried the mini
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> ropo_  start here http://www.echoecho.com/
[16:38] <BluesKaj> got stuff to do for 30 mins or so, BBL
[16:39] <sudormrf> is there a way to start the built in vnc program on ubuntu from the CLI?
[16:40] <DocWaffle> Hmm got a new screen that actually seemed to change the settings but windows loaded anyway
[16:40] <sudormrf> trying to VNC into my desktop without having to plug it in to my TV
[16:41] <rtwdf> botnet disclosure report: http://pastebin.com/74UDe8mA    check/clean your systems. Thank you.
[16:43] <DocWaffle> Wow, this windows is aggressive
[16:44] <DocWaffle> Instead of loading from the CD-ROM I got a windows recovery error that the computer had attempted to load something other than windows
[16:45] <cfhowlett> DocWaffle, yep, that's windows 8 "protection".  you need to do some uefi / legacy manipulation
[16:45] <cfhowlett> !uefi | DocWaffle
[16:45] <DocWaffle> Except I'm running 7?
[16:47] <Stunt131> Anyone have any experience with Macbook 10.1 sensors and how to get them working?
[16:48] <Moonlightning> So I used the whole disk and set up an encrypted LVM when I installed Ubuntu, and I told it to overwrite the disk with random data
[16:48] <Moonlightning> But there wasn't a really long /writing random data/ phase, so I feel like it didn't happen.
[16:48] <Moonlightning> Is there a log that stuck around somewhere that I could check?
[16:50] <sudormrf> anyone?
[16:51] <sudormrf> nm
[16:51] <sudormrf> question about cron
[16:51] <Moonlightning> There probably is, sudormrf. Did you install it using `apt-get`?
[16:51] <Moonlightning> I'm thinking you can probably `sudo start` it, if it has an, uh
[16:51] <Moonlightning> whatever the equivalent of initscript is
[16:51] <bipul> sudormrf, what's the question?
[16:51] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, no, this is built in to ubuntu.  didn't need to install it.  but I can work around it
[16:52] <sudormrf> bipul, in the crontab, can I just # to comment things out, or do I need to remove them?  I have been using gnome-schedule to manipulate the crontab, and since I can't VNC in I will just modify it from the CLI
[16:53] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I forget what the program is called, but if you type remote into the unity search it comes up
[16:54] <sudormrf> I don't believe it is a service, it is a program AFAIK
[16:54] <sudormrf> well...you know what I mean lol.
[16:54] <bipul> "#" it is used to comment.
[16:54] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: if it's sitting there and listening for inbound connections, it seems to me that it /should/ be treated as a service
[16:54] <sudormrf> bipul, you can comment things out with # in conf files and what not normally.  wondering if the same thing works in the crontab or not.
[16:54] <Moonlightning> Like SSHd, or…a VNC server.
[16:55] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: yeah, it does.
[16:55] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, don't disagree with you about it should be a service.  # works in crontab...good.  will comment out the offending lines for now.
[16:55] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: see `man 5 crontab`
[16:55] <sudormrf> would like to get this vnc thing back up and running
[16:55] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, checking now.
[16:56] <sudormrf> maybe it's if you type screen sharing
[16:56] <sudormrf> I forget what you type.  I typically don't VNC into this machine.
[16:57] <bipul> sudormrf, just try and let us know, i believe it's work as a comment there.
[16:58] <sudormrf> bipul, I can insert the # there no problem, but how can I verify without waiting for the job to run?
[16:59] <Moonlightning> Hm, I found /var/log/installer/partman; would there be some indication in here that the disk was overwritten with random data?
[16:59] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I believe it is vino
[17:00] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: the idea here is to kick it off however it's normally kicked off.
[17:00] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, IC.  well that job is set to run at midnight or somewhere there abouts
[17:00] <Moonlightning> If that's by init, then tell init to start it; if it's just run as `nohup ... &` then do that
[17:00] <smakos> I want to buy access to an ssh server surpporting x86 architecture. Any good recommendations?
[17:01] <smakos> And running ubuntu or linux of course
[17:01] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: It does normally start at boot, right?
[17:01] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, normally, yes.  but I just rebooted and it has not started
[17:02] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: …check your logs, actually; maybe it's failing to start for some reason.
[17:03] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, not seeing anything in syslog about it
[17:03] <sudormrf> need to find a longer hdmi cable to solve this
[17:04] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: do you still have a log from a time when the system booted and it autostarted? It might not be in the most recent one.
[17:06] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, Just plugged it in to an HDMI and I am getting a message saying that the system is running in low graphics mode.  probably related to the hdd getting filled up due to the cron job.  going to restart it aggin
[17:06]  * Moonlightning blinks.
[17:06] <Moonlightning> What's it writing that's filling the disk?
[17:07] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, that is resolved.  it was a cron job that was backing stuff up to a NAS.  the NAS had a drive fail and I haven't bought a new one yet.  shut down the nas and unmounted the shares.  forgot there was a cron job backing stuff up.  it ran last night and filled the main drive.  removed the backed up data from the main drive.
[17:07] <Moonlightning> Uh, okay.
[17:08] <sudormrf> yeah ther eig toes
[17:08] <sudormrf> the drive was 100% full
[17:08] <sudormrf> it's a small SSD
[17:08] <Moonlightning> For the future, maybe make it actually check that that's a mountpoint. :)
[17:08] <sudormrf> I knew it was a mountpoint lol.  I had forgotten about the cron job
[17:08] <Moonlightning> When it's backing up.
[17:09] <Moonlightning> So that it doesn't ever back up a volume to the same volume.
[17:09] <sudormrf> ooooohhhh.  how can I do that?  I like that idea
[17:09] <sudormrf> :D
[17:09] <Moonlightning> man mountpoint  # :)
[17:10] <sudormrf> oh that is cool.  so then how would I tell it to stop if it is not a mountpoint?
[17:11] <Moonlightning> Well, what is it? I've been assuming it's just a shell script you wrote.
[17:12] <sudormrf> oh.  no, no script in this case.  just a cronjob that uses rsync
[17:12] <sudormrf> rsync pathx to pathy basically
[17:12] <Moonlightning> Mmm. Might be a good idea to stick it in a script and add a bit of logging.
[17:13] <sudormrf> not opposed
[17:14] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, but being a noob to the scripting, I don't know how I could pass the "is a mountpoint" "is not a mountpoint"
[17:15] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: if statement?
[17:15]  * Moonlightning is trying to avoid writing it for you. You learn less that way. :)
[17:15] <WangXufeng> hello,
[17:16] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, yes that I understand, but I don't know how to make it read "is a mountpoint" "is not a mountpoint".  I don't want you to, I prefer to learn :).  I can write most of it myself, just don't know how to have it read the is is not from the text
[17:16] <sudormrf> probably easier for it to read the exit code
[17:16] <Moonlightning> Oh, yeah.
[17:16] <sudormrf> 0 = mountpoint, 1 = not
[17:16] <Moonlightning> That's probably what you want to do.
[17:17] <Moonlightning> Especially since you can just write it as the condition.
[17:17] <sudormrf> yep
[17:17] <sudormrf> but where is that exit code written to?  I just did mountpoint /path/ and then checked syslog and didn't see an exit code
[17:18] <sudormrf> hmm
[17:18] <nicofs> I am trying to get audio output via hdmi running but sadly there is no hdmi sound card recognised by the system... where do i start to solve that?
[17:19] <WangXufeng> Is there somebody can help me solving my Ubuntu 14.10 Desktop starting error?
[17:19] <sudormrf> checking in to it
[17:20] <z0ran> is anyone had a problem to install kali-linux on kvm
[17:20] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: use `mountpoint` here like you would `[`.
[17:20] <WangXufeng> I installed it with Kali Linux
[17:20] <Moonlightning> Parent processes can find out about their children's exit codes. No logs needed.
[17:20] <cfhowlett> z0ran, kali is not supported here.  sorry
[17:20] <Moonlightning> You don't need to do that directly though
[17:20] <z0ran> ok, sorry
[17:20] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, what is [ ?
[17:20] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: `test`?
[17:21] <sudormrf> WangXufeng, go to the #kali
[17:21] <sudormrf> or is it #kali-linux
[17:21] <sudormrf> forget
[17:21] <WangXufeng> thanks
[17:21] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, why the backticks? :P
[17:22] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: personal markup. I use them to mark code, not unlike the HTML <pre> and the Markdown…backticks.
[17:22] <WangXufeng> It's my ubuntu starting error
[17:22] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, gotcha.  well I just did a test script, mountpoint /path/ then under that echo $? and it returned a 1 because it was not a mountpoint
[17:23] <sudormrf> it's a starting point :)D
[17:23] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: indeed. You don't need $? though.
[17:23] <sudormrf> WangXufeng, what is the error?
[17:23] <WangXufeng> I installed it with Kali linux in one part
[17:23] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: that is, using `$?` in a shell `if` is (generally) redundant. :)
[17:24] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, so if it returns 1, then the script will automatically stop?
[17:24] <WangXufeng> and if I uodate it ,it will not working
[17:24] <sudormrf> WangXufeng, you haven't explained your ubuntu starting error.
[17:24] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: no(t by default—you /can/ make it do that). That's not what I meant, though.
[17:24] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, sorry then I don't follow
[17:25] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: right about now you should be looking at the documentation for your shell's `if` statement :3
[17:25] <cfhowlett> !details | WangXufeng
[17:27] <sudormrf> cfhowlett, thanks :)
[17:27] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, looking at if else bash documentation online
[17:27] <WangXufeng> When I installed it,I opened it,but not find windows boot option,so I use "fdisk -l" and "apt-get update-grub",When I restarted It,I can find windows boot option,but I could,t power on ubuntu
[17:28] <Nate_> Hi I dual booted windows 7 and Ubuntu. I chose try from cd and then I went to install. I clicked continue after choosing where to install and the whole PC froze. I held the power button down and when I turned my PC back on it says unknown file system and it's in grub recovery mode something like that
[17:28] <WangXufeng> my ubuntu and kali is in one part
[17:28] <Nate_> Plz help
[17:28] <cfhowlett> WangXufeng, wait, what?
[17:29] <Moonlightning> Nate_: the lesson here is not to immediately hardware reset when something seems to freeze.
[17:29] <cfhowlett> WangXufeng, that's not going to work
[17:29] <Moonlightning> Nate_: ESPECIALLY not when you're messing with disks at a low level. Anything that involves repartitioning or formatting or anything like that.
[17:29] <WangXufeng> how can I solve it?
[17:29] <Nate_> Ok so what can I do to fix it?
[17:29] <cfhowlett> WangXufeng, 1... sudo update-grub NOT apt--get update grub
[17:30] <Moonlightning> Nate_: do you happen to have a record of what was on the screen when you reset the system?
[17:30] <Nate_> When it was frozen or in the grub recovery thing?
[17:31] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, could you have a look at the test script and explain why it is saying there is an error on line 5? (TBH I don't understand where the line numbering starts with bash scripting.  does it start #!/bin/bash <- there or the next line after that? are carriage returns counted? etc)
[17:31] <Moonlightning> Nate_: when you did the hardware reset (i.e. held the power button until it powered off) following the freeze
[17:31] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: sure; pastebin it.
[17:31] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: '\n' should always be considered a line ending; '\r' may or may not be depending on context. Not sure about shells.
[17:32] <Nate_> Ok it was on the partition screen  in the Ubuntu install after I booted from cd I don't think it got to the install part yet
[17:32] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: IIRC, the first line of the file is line 1, regardless of comments.
[17:32] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9768542/
[17:32] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, ok.  in which case that would mean the error is at the if statement
[17:32] <Moonlightning> Nate_: was it a screen where you were supposed to select options, or a progress screen (where it was doing the actual repartitioning)?
[17:33] <rbi> hi
[17:33] <Nate_> Select options like it showed a bar with free space and stuff
[17:33] <Nate_> And I clicked install not continue
[17:33] <Nate_> Forgot that
[17:33] <rbi> quit
[17:33] <rbi> quit
[17:33] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: that's invalid syntax. `[` is a program; the brackets here are not like the parentheses around the condition in C-like languages.
[17:33] <agata> \c
[17:33] <cfhowlett> Nate_, the fix is to start the installation over.  take your time, understand what your selecting and be patient.
[17:33] <Moonlightning> Nate_: you clicked a button to tell it to continue, and after that it appared to freeze and you did a hardware reset.
[17:34] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, needed spaces
[17:34] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: yep.
[17:34] <Nate_> Btw I cannot boot into windows 7 or Ubuntu I go into the bios and chose hdd but it still says like grub rescue
[17:34] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: do you understand how `if`s work?
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: add a space after [ and one before  ]
[17:35] <Moonlightning> Nate_: no kidding. You hardware reset in the middle of a repartition for Luna's sake!
[17:35] <Nate_> ?
[17:35] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, well I have always understood how if/then/elses work in the general context of programming, just wasn't sure how to pass the information from the mountpoint command to it.  but an exit code is sufficient.
[17:35] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, that was it :)
[17:35] <Nate_> I had already made the partition tho
[17:35] <Moonlightning> ActionParsnip: trynna explain /why/, though.
[17:35] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, at least in this case an exit code is sufficient.  Oh, in that case I don't understand why a space is necessary.
[17:36] <Nate_> Wait I tried booting again and it shows Ubuntu and the dots
[17:36] <Nate_> Like going orange and white
[17:36] <sudormrf> dots are good! :D
[17:36] <hggdh> sudormrf: because '[' is a binary -- ls -l /usr/bin/[
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: not sure. Maybe it's to show that the character is not part of the variable names and so forth
[17:36] <Moonlightning> Nate_: in general, partitioning operations are created and then committed.
[17:36] <Nate_> Oh
[17:36] <Moonlightning> Nate_: i.e., it doesn't /actually change anything/ until you click /continue/
[17:36] <Moonlightning> Nate_: which you did, and then killed the system.
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> !away > LazyO|Off
[17:37] <Nate_> It shows Ubuntu and the dots how long will this take? Oh now I see what I've done
[17:37] <Moonlightning> Yeah. :(
[17:37] <Moonlightning> Gotta cross your fingers that it's not in a partial state.
[17:37] <Nate_> So the only option is to factory reset the os somehow?
[17:37] <Moonlightning> Nate_: it's not /necessarily/ messed up.
[17:37] <Nate_> My cd drive is jerking like crazy lo
[17:37] <Nate_> Lol
[17:38] <Moonlightning> Nate_: it's just not /guaranteed/ to be okay.
[17:38] <Nate_> Now the dots have stopped changing
[17:38] <cfhowlett> Nate_, clean install ubuntu.  windows is there, but you scrambled the bootloader
[17:38] <Moonlightning> It /might/ be messed up. Gotta wait and see.
[17:38] <Nate_> There all orange
[17:38] <Nate_> Now it shows a bray screen
[17:38] <Moonlightning> Nate_: this is Ubuntu's booting animation.
[17:38] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, thank you for this suggestion.  with this PoC I can turn it in to a script to put in place.  will be simple enough.
[17:38] <Nate_> With a bar at the top
[17:38] <Nate_> Now it's loading the Ubuntu Logan screen
[17:38] <Nate_> Yay
[17:38] <sudormrf> just need to replace the mountpoint statement with the correct path and the else with the action I want it to take
[17:39] <Nate_> Yayayayayayayaya
[17:39] <Nate_> Holo
[17:39] <Nate_> Holo
[17:39] <sudormrf> Nate_, Awesome!
[17:39] <Nate_> Yolo
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> Nate_: wtg
[17:39] <Nate_> Stupid autocorrect
[17:39] <Nate_> Thx for the help
[17:39] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: `mountpoint $dir; if [ "$?" -eq 0 ]; then $etc; fi;` is redundant; can you see why?
[17:39] <WangXufeng> my ubuntu 14.10 Desktop x64 error is :
[17:39] <Moonlightning> Nate_: not outta the woods yet
[17:39] <Nate_> Ok
[17:40] <Nate_> Dang
[17:40] <Nate_> It's doing the setup I chose the download updates and stuff
[17:40] <Moonlightning> Go through with the installation again, as cfh_wlett said, and be patient. Don't rush through stuff you're not sure about; ask us.
[17:40] <nicofs> I am trying to get audio output via hdmi running but sadly there is no hdmi sound card recognised by the system... where do i start to solve that?
[17:41] <Nate_> K it's frozen again not gonna make the same mistake
[17:41] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, No.  how I read that is this "we want a certain action to be taken based upon the value of $?" which requires an if statement in my mind.  but I am very much a noob to programming.
[17:41] <Nate_> Lol
[17:41] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: you know that `[` isn't special, though—it's just a regular program.
[17:41] <cfhowlett> Nate_, sounds like it's downloading updates.  go get a cup of tea and cup back later
[17:42] <Moonlightning> (hgg_h mentioned this)
[17:42] <Nate_> K lol
[17:42] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, hmm.  I don't follow.  [ is defining the condition for the if statement as I read it.
[17:42] <Nate_> K I just clicked something else for installation type
[17:42] <WangXufeng> my ubuntu 14.10Desktop x64 system error is:[   2.381833]request_module:runaway loop modprobe binfnt-464c
[17:43] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: `[` is a program: `ls -l /bin/[`
[17:43] <eraggo> was it 5 years that canonical offers updates on 14.04?
[17:43] <Moonlightning> eraggo: that's /support/
[17:43] <cfhowlett> !LTS | eraggo,
[17:43] <Moonlightning> Love dem unicorns, though
[17:43] <eraggo> thanks
[17:43] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I don't understand.
[17:44] <Nate_> K I have a 21 gb thing it's sda4  and a 22 gb free space and a unusable 20gb part
[17:44] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I understand that ls is a program, but I don't understand how [ is a program
[17:44] <ikonia>
[17:44] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: because it is. There's a `/bin/[`. The character `[` happens to not be special to the shell.
[17:45] <Nate_> K clicked install now and it says no root file system defined?
[17:45] <Nate_> Nvm got it do I format oration or no
[17:45] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, when I try to do ls -l /bin/[ it says no such file or directory
[17:45] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: wat. What OS?
[17:45] <Nate_> format partition or no
[17:45] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, ubuntu 12.04
[17:45] <p-trust> put like if you like to squirt
[17:45] <p-trust> oops wrong chan,sry
[17:46] <Moonlightning> Nate_: and this is yet another place where you want to be careful. :P
[17:46] <shuman> :)
[17:46] <Moonlightning> Nate_: can you get us a screenshot?
[17:46] <Nate_> Ok il try
[17:47] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: my bad; it's in /usr/bin
[17:47] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, ah, yes now I see something there
[17:47] <gangosan> Hi
[17:47] <gangosan> please help me
[17:47] <eraggo> gangosan: just ask
[17:48] <gangosan> where download Ubuntu 12.04
[17:48] <Moonlightning> gangosan: from the website.
[17:48] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, sorry, OK so back on track.  I don't understand why the if statement is redundant
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> gangosan: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:48] <Moonlightning> gangosan: also, unless you need 12.04 specifically, I would get the latest version (14.10 Utopic Unicorn) or latest LTS (14.04 Trusty Tahir)
[17:48] <cfhowlett> gangosan, http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/  HERE
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: Utopic is only supported til July this year.
[17:49] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: so when you do `if [ "$?" -eq 0 ]`, the shell invokes `[`. But then how does it know whether to execute the `then` or not?
[17:49] <gangosan> thak you
[17:49] <gangosan> thahc you
[17:49] <Moonlightning> gangosan(, ActionParsnip): that's why I said /or latest LTS/
[17:49] <gangosan> thank you
[17:49] <Moonlightning> You're welcome, gangosan
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: Precise is supported til after Utopic dies.
[17:50] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, in my test script it invokes the then?
[17:50] <Moonlightning> ActionParsnip: and Tahir is supported until after Precise dies.
[17:50] <Nate_> Sorry it took so long I think this it it
[17:50] <Nate_> http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/nejrobbins/media/imagejpg1_zpse167be54.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: yes. So for casual users. Non-LTS releases aren't great
[17:51] <Moonlightning> ActionParsnip: so unless you need Precise specifically, why not get Tahir?
[17:51] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, that wasn't a question, it was a statement that my test script invokes the then or the else depending on the result, so I am confused.  sorry :)
[17:51] <Moonlightning> Pangolin *
[17:51] <Nate_> Monolingual
[17:51] <Nate_> Whips
[17:51] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: the result of…what? :)
[17:51] <Nate_> Whoops
[17:51] <cfhowlett> Nate_, 20GB for /swap?
[17:51] <Nate_> It set that default or something I dint do that
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: oh absolutely. The latest LTS all the way unless there is a requirement
[17:51] <Nate_> I wanted 20 for like main thing
[17:52] <Moonlightning> ActionParsnip: hence: Tahir if you need LTS; Unicorn if you don't.
[17:52] <Moonlightning> Latest LTS (Tahir) or latest release (Unicorn). Which is what I said.
[17:52] <cfhowlett> Nate_, delete /dev/sda4   make a new swap of 2 X your ram st the rest as /home
[17:52] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, what I have placed in the brackets.  so telling it if [ $? = 1 ] then write "not a mountpoint, stopping script"
[17:52] <Moonlightning> Nate_, cfhowlett: careful with deleting things by index.
[17:53] <Moonlightning> Nate_, cfhowlett: sda4 might not be what you think it is
[17:53] <cfhowlett> Nate_, STOPP
[17:53] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, if I change the $? to $? = 0 then it goes to the else
[17:53] <Nate_> Ok
[17:53] <cfhowlett> Moonlightning, please expand/expound
[17:53] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, is it not working correctly?
[17:53] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: but the shell isn't doing the check. `[` is doing the check.
[17:53] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I am still confused as to what the problem is.
[17:53] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: the shell doesn't treat `$? -eq 0` specially; those are just arguments to `[`
[17:54] <Moonlightning> Right?
[17:54] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, right, I agree with that.
[17:54] <Moonlightning> cfhowlett: oh, I missed the point where Nate_ posted a screenshot.
[17:54] <Moonlightning> Which details what's what. Never mind.
[17:54] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, but it appears to be working as designed, so I am confused as to where the problem is
[17:55] <cfhowlett> Moonlightning, thanks.
[17:55] <Nate_> Oh
[17:55] <cfhowlett> Nate_, "suggested" best practice is 2 X ram for /swap
[17:55] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: it works as designed, yeah. But I'm trying to give you a deeper understanding. :)
[17:55] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, yes, I appreciate it :).  But without being more explicit in this case I don't think I am going to grasp the concept :)
[17:56] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: Since the shell is just passing arguments to `[` instead of doing any checks itself, how does it know what the result of the check is?
[17:56] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I don't know the answer to that.
[17:56] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: have you read the manual page for `[` (aka `test`)?
[17:56] <hggdh> [is a synonym to test. 'man [
[17:56] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, looking at it now
[17:56] <hggdh> ', or 'info [' or details
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: the command returns a value of 1 or 0 if it's successful or not
[17:57] <Moonlightning> ActionParsnip: being able to look up documentation oneself is a useful skill IMHO :)
[17:57] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I typically do look at man pages ;D.
[17:58] <Moonlightning> :D
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> Moonlightning: very. Teach a man to fish
[17:58] <Moonlightning> Quite.
[17:58] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, so you are saying I can just have it to test mountpoint path instead of an if [ blah ] in this case as that would be the shell passing the argument
[17:58] <sudormrf> ?
[17:59] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: Do you see how that would work? :)
[18:00] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, not really, no.  I just created a test script that says "test mountpoint /path/to/test" and it gives me an error
[18:01] <sudormrf> unary operator expected
[18:01] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: indeed. `test` doesn't have a `mountpoint` option.
[18:01] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: let's back up a bit. When you say `if test "$?" -eq 0`, how does the shell check the result
[18:01] <Moonlightning> ?
[18:02] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, sounds good.  I don't know how it checks the result
[18:03] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: how does `test` indicate the result? It doesn't print anything; we can see that.
[18:04] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, sorry I don't follow.  in a test script if I don't use [ it fails
[18:04] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, it tells me [ is required
[18:05] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: `test` (also known as `[`) is a program that evaluates expressions passed to it as arguments. We've established that much, yeah?
[18:05] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, yes
[18:06] <kyle_dz> bbb
[18:06] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, ok, so I just created a test script that says if test "$?" -eq 0 (and added some echo statements for the then and else)
[18:06] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, and it works
[18:07] <Moonlightning> sudormrf, yep.
[18:07] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, but I am really not seeing the correlation here
[18:07] <EriC^^> sudormrf: it's the same as if [ "$?" -eq 0 ]; then echo exit status was 0; fi
[18:08] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, EriC^^, so wait a minute, I think I get what you are saying now, maybe.  Let me test something
[18:10] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, EriC^^, nope.  still don't get it.  I just modified the test script to say this test; if "$?" -eq 0; then echo blah; fi
[18:10] <sudormrf> and I get an error
[18:10] <EriC^^> sudormrf: you can either use [ ] or test
[18:10] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, EriC^^ you are saying that test == [, which I get.  but with an if statement it requires me to use [ condition ]
[18:11] <sudormrf> EriC^^, so I am lost as to what the message here is.
[18:11] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: why does the shell want you to use that one specific program as the condition of an `if` statement?
[18:11] <Moonlightning> Why would it do that?
[18:12] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I don't understand the question.
[18:12] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: you're saying the shell requires you to use either `[` or `test` as the condition.
[18:12] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, in the scope of an if statement, yes.
[18:12] <Moonlightning> i.e. you cannot, for example, do `if echo foo; then echo bar; fi;`
[18:13] <EriC^^> sudormrf: you can use if test "$?" -eq 0; then echo exit status was 0; fi , or if [ "$?" -eq 0 ]; then echo exit status was 0; fi
[18:13] <theadmin> Moonlightning: Um.
[18:13] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, correct, because that is not how if statements work.  at least the way I understand them
[18:13] <EriC^^> it's the same thing
[18:13] <quillford> how can I get my GUI back? all I can do atm is open TTY and use startx to see my wallpaper
[18:14] <theadmin> Moonlightning: http://i.imgur.com/OlPjxRh.png - that works, just like expected...
[18:14] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: ^
[18:14] <sudormrf> EriC^^, I get that, but I feel like Moonlightning is saying my script is wrong because I used the [ ] and I want to know why.
[18:14] <theadmin> sudormrf: Can I see the script?
[18:14] <EriC^^> sudormrf: can you post a link to the script?
[18:14] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, EriC^^ appreciate the lesson guys :)
[18:14] <sudormrf> EriC^^, sure
[18:14] <eraggo> quillford: try alt+F7
[18:15] <EriC^^> quillford: are you on ubuntu?
[18:15] <quillford> eraggo: when?
[18:15] <sudormrf> EriC^^, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9768781/
[18:15] <quillford> EriC^^: 14.04 lts
[18:15] <EriC^^> quillford: try sudo service lightdm restart
[18:16] <eraggo> quillford: if you are in tty and desktop is running try that
[18:16] <EriC^^> quillford: ( you shouldn't use startx, especially with sudo cause you'll mess up the permissions )
[18:16] <theadmin> sudormrf: That script seems perfectly fine, except the extra whitespace
[18:16] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, so were you getting at the test vs [] thing?
[18:17] <quillford> EriC^^: restarting lightdm gives a blank screen
[18:17] <Moonlightning> theadmin: I'm trying to get him to understand why it's redundant, without outright saying it.
[18:17] <sudormrf> theadmin, thanks.  the PoC had worked, so that is why I was confused
[18:17] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I don't understand why it is redundant.
[18:17] <quillford> eraggo: alt f7 gives blank screen
[18:17] <minimec> quillford: if you do a 'normal' boot, do you get the graphical login screen to enter a user session?
[18:17] <quillford> no
[18:18] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, if [ == test, then where is the redundancy?
[18:18] <eraggo> quillford: that is weird for me
[18:18] <theadmin> sudormrf: Well, all he's saying is that you probably could have just done this: http://hastebin.com/qiruvahoda.bash
[18:19] <theadmin> I think that works. Not sure...
[18:19] <theadmin> Oh whatever.
[18:19]  * theadmin doesn't get it either.
[18:19] <Moonlightning> theadmin(, sudormrf): that's not how `if` statements work.
[18:19] <theadmin> True, yes, that probably will fail
[18:19] <quillford> eraggo: minimec: EriC^^: I'm getting "(WW) fglrx: no matching device section for instance([BusID]) found"
[18:19] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, totally lost.
[18:19] <theadmin> Oh.
[18:19] <minimec> quillford: I guess 'no' was for me... ;) Do you use amd/nvidia GPU card? And did you do some system upgrade like 13.10 -> 14.04 ?
[18:20] <Moonlightning> sudormrf, theadmin: in most languages, the condition is an expression.
[18:20] <Moonlightning> sudormrf, theadmin: in most languages, the condition is an expression.
[18:20] <theadmin> http://hastebin.com/avatebuqul.bash
[18:20] <theadmin> There.
[18:20] <minimec> quillford: Ok. Did you upgrade your system?
[18:20] <quillford> minimec: not an upgrade. fresh install from 14.04. amd gpu
[18:20] <Moonlightning> sudormrf, theadmin: In POSIX shells, the condition is a list of commands.
[18:21] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: you mean if test $?; then .... ?
[18:21] <Moonlightning> sudormrf, theadmin: If the exit status of the `if` list is 0, the `then` list is executed.
[18:21] <theadmin> There's no point in testing for $? since you can just write the previous command directly in the "if" part.
[18:21] <Moonlightning> ^
[18:22] <eraggo> quillford: can you start ubuntu on safe mode?
[18:22] <sudormrf> I see
[18:22] <theadmin> That's what he's on about. But you know, there's more than one way to do the same thing
[18:22] <minimec> quillford: Ok. I read here that yuo installed the fglrx GPU driver. I guess, that is your problem. I would 'sudo apt-get purge fglrx' and then try to reboot with 'sudo reboot'.
[18:22] <quillford> eraggo: safe mode?
[18:22] <Moonlightning> if `mountpoint` exits with 0, then `rsync` is executed
[18:22] <Moonlightning> You /could/ do `mountpoint` separately and then `test $? -eq 0`
[18:22] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: yeah but he doesn't get the mountpoint doesn't exist part
[18:22] <eraggo> quillford: press shift on boot
[18:22] <sudormrf> theadmin, no no no, I appreciate the lesson.  I am very much a noob to this and I want to learn more about scripting and programming in general
[18:22] <Moonlightning> But all that does is check if `test` exited with 0
[18:22] <Moonlightning> Which is redundant.
[18:23] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: https://gist.github.com/BlacklightShining/3fd7924e284a03608dfc
[18:23] <quillford> minimec: still blank
[18:23] <minimec> quillford: It might be that your card was supported by fglrx in older Ubuntu versions, but not anymore...
[18:24] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: it's not redundant to it's informative
[18:24] <EriC^^> imho
[18:24] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, how is that github link different than the script I pastebinned (other than the else statement)?
[18:25] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: it's analogous to a C `bool is_mountpoint = check_if_mountpoint(dir); if (is_mountpoint) do_the_backup();`
[18:25] <quillford> eraggo: can't get into safe mode
[18:25] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: which I would avoid in favor of `if (check_is_mountpoint(dir)) do_the_backup();`
[18:26] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: that's different, that is using the extra mountpoint part
[18:26] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: the comments, for further explanation.
[18:26] <eraggo> quillford: did you keep pressing shift on the  boot? there is text "loading grub..." on the screen
[18:26] <minimec> quillford: ok. Canyou give us the output of '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' after a clean boot? 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit && cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit' <- Should do for the command line
[18:26] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: i dont see why it's redundant to inform the user that the mountpoint doesn't exist
[18:26] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, so instead of using then to echo something like "not a mountpoint" you omit that?
[18:27] <EriC^^> ( not using an if else )
[18:27] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: `if` doesn't suppress output.
[18:27] <EriC^^> i feel like we're splitting hairs anyways
[18:28] <quillford> minimec: 9768852
[18:28] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: Aside from that, it's the same matter of putting the condition in the condition, instead of letting it go into a variable that will never be used again and then checking the variable.
[18:29] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: don't believe me? `if mountpoint /; then :; fi;`
[18:30] <basichash> I've got a thinkpad x240 running v14.04. Sometimes I get these massive lag spikes (not sure if this is the proper term, but basically everything just freezes). When I pull out my power cable, everything seems to work fine again. Any ideas what could be the issue here?
[18:30] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: i know what you're getting at, not using the variable i get what you're saying, i just dont see the point of not echoing that it isn't mounted as being redundant
[18:30] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: that's all
[18:30] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: /like I said/, `if` doesn't suppress output. `mountpoint`s note will get printed whether it's in a condition or not.
[18:30] <eraggo> quillford: what kind of gpu you are using btw?
[18:30] <quillford> eraggo: R9 290
[18:31] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: ok, so drop the -q then?
[18:31] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I am explicitly surpressing the output, but I see what you mean
[18:31] <Moonlightning> Sigh.
[18:32] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: https://gist.github.com/BlacklightShining/3b4194b32592c06ac860
[18:32] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: yes, so drop the -q from mountpoint
[18:32] <EriC^^> -q = quiet
[18:33] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: there is no string '-q' in that gist.
[18:33] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: i was exclusively talking to sudormrf :P
[18:33] <sudormrf> EriC^^, that's what Moonlightning seems to be getting at.
[18:34] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: yeah, s_dormrf can drop the -q if they want `mountpoint`s output. They don't have to move `mountpoint` out of the conditional.
[18:34] <Moonlightning> condition *
[18:34] <EriC^^> sudormrf: yeah, i think so too
[18:35] <quillford> minimec: eraggo: is there a way to revert to the stock drivers via command line?
[18:36] <minimec> quillford: ok. Xorg seems to load the fglrx driver... Hmm. Is this a clean install or an system install with an existing /home partition and 'old' user directories?
[18:36] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, I see now.
[18:36] <sudormrf> the redundancy
[18:36] <eraggo> quillford: did you use left or rifgt shift on boot to load GRUB menu? i didn't say right but right shifr was the correct one :S
[18:36] <Moonlightning> sudormrf :D
[18:36] <sudormrf> after looking at your last git link
[18:36] <sudormrf> then did a test script myself
[18:37] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: also: `test`s `=` and `!=` are for string comparison; use `-eq` and `-ne` for integers (and see the manual page for more operators)
[18:37] <minimec> quillford: 'sudo apt-get purge fglrx', then 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.old.conf'. That should bring you the default opensource driver back.
[18:37] <quillford> minimec: I installed it about 2 weeks ago (to finally replace windows :)) and have been using it. I noticed the graphics would lag so I used addition drivers to try a different driver. I also installed some drivers from amd's site.
[18:38] <minimec> quillford: well reboot afterwards...
[18:38] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, thank you :)
[18:38] <quillford> minimec: it says fglrx is not installed
[18:38] <Moonlightning> You're welcome, sudormrf. ^^
[18:39] <minimec> quillford: Ok. So remove all these drivers with that 'sudo apt-get purge fglrx' command and rename the xorg.conf as mentioned before.
[18:39] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, sorry, I am not in the programming mindset yet.  one of my goals this year is to finally get down and study a language.  This was insightful :).
[18:39] <minimec> quillford: Ok. Did you reboot you removed the driver?
[18:39] <quillford> minimec: I'm also getting no such file or directory on xorg.conf
[18:40] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: almost all languages have the same basic constructs: conditionals, loops, functions, and such.
[18:40] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: the semantics of each can vary, though. Sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.
[18:41] <quillford> minimec: I just checked. I don't have an xorg.conf in the X11 directory, but a bunch of files with derivative names
[18:41] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, yep :).  I have a grasp of those basics as is, but I still feel very lost when it comes to programming :)
[18:42] <Moonlightning> sudormrf: A less major variation is that the conditions of some languages (e.g. C, Python, POSIX shell) implicitly convert the result of a condition to a boolean, whereas in others (e.g. Java) the condition must evaluate to a boolean on its own.
[18:43] <sudormrf> Moonlightning, interesting.  to me seems like and implicit conversion is more logical
[18:43] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: using less characters in a code/script doesn't mean it's better
[18:44] <minimec> quillford: --> 'I also installed some drivers from amd's site.'. Do you had to compile these drivers from the amd site? Do you still have that directory? If yes, go into that directory and try 'sudo make uninstall'.
[18:44] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: the output of the command, not suppressed is going to be an ugly mountpount: /bla is a mountpoint then copy the files, and if it's not there an uglier bla not found
[18:44] <theadmin> sudormrf: Implicit conversion is not logical at all.
[18:44] <stangeland> hi, my harddisk is almost completely full, but i dont know what takes up all the space. Is there any way to get an overview of where on the harddisk the most space is used - ie what files
[18:44] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: I don't see it as less explicit; I see it as redundant, especially given that the result of `test` is interpreted in exactly the same way.
[18:44] <sudormrf> theadmin, why not?  :)
[18:44] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: i'm talking about the output of the script
[18:44] <Moonlightning> sudormrf, theadmin: I like implicit booleanization.
[18:44] <minimec> quillford: Can you do 'sudo updatedb && locate fglrx' If you have such a file installed, we would have to remove it probably.
[18:44] <quillford> minimec: the amd site download redirected to fglrx iirc
[18:44] <theadmin> sudormrf: You can end up with things like if(a = 5) by accident and that will always evaluate to "true" with implicit conversion (since 5 is true, and == is for comparison rather than = in most languages)
[18:45] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: as in what you see when you run it
[18:45] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: so add -q and do output or logging yourself.
[18:45] <theadmin> sudormrf: On the other hand, if the conversion is explicit, then you won't ever run into a problem like that.
[18:45] <sudormrf> theadmin, interesting :)
[18:45] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: i'm just saying your logic is wack
[18:45] <theadmin> You'll just get an error saying something like "boolean expected, got integer"
[18:45] <EriC^^> ( with all due respect )
[18:45] <Moonlightning> theadmin: you could argue that that's a problem with allowing assignment to be an expression, though.
[18:45] <quillford> minimec: a bunch of files were listed
[18:45] <Moonlightning> Python doesn't, for example.
[18:46] <theadmin> Moonlightning: That's not necessarily a bad thing and allows for amusing constructs like a = b = c = 3 eh
[18:46] <sudormrf> I love this.  come in here to figure out an easy way to identify what was taking up all the space on my hard drive, get on to a discussion about programming :D
[18:46] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: how is my logic not sound?
[18:46] <Moonlightning> theadmin: Python also allows that.
[18:46]  * squinty could argue that this is not the #ubuntu-nit-picking-programming channel
[18:46] <theadmin> Moonlightning: Oh, okay.
[18:46] <sudormrf> hahaha
[18:46]  * sudormrf squints at squinty
[18:46] <Moonlightning> There /is/ a ##programming; we could all go there.
[18:47] <keithclark> I need to create a live usb stick but when I try to use unetbootin it gives me an error as follows:  You must first mount the usb drive /dev/sdc2 to a mountpoint.  I can see the usb stick in my file manager so I know it is mounted.  Ideas?
[18:47] <sudormrf> joined
[18:47] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: you're saying if i make a really fast engine that's the whole point, and you dont think that a heavier engine is going to screw up the handling
[18:47] <EriC^^> you want to use less chars, and that's all
[18:47] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: your logic is wack
[18:47] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: I don't see that your analogy is accurate.
[18:48] <zamba> i have lots of ipv6 addresses on my eth0 interface.. is there a way i can clean up these?
[18:48] <Moonlightning> I'm going for conciseness, not charcount.
[18:48] <EriC^^> huh? you want to use the less chars possible, and the output is all screwy
[18:48] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: my analogy means you have to think about the whole package
[18:48] <EriC^^> it's perfectly accurate
[18:48] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: I'm sorry, are we talking about whether `mountpoint` should be the condition, or are we talking about output?
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> Moonlightning  EriC^^ we get the point, now back on-topic please
[18:50] <Moonlightning> EriC^^: ##programming
[18:50] <EriC^^> Moonlightning: the output
[18:52] <EriC^^> squinty: i'm nit picking the nit picker, so that makes me not nit picking, more chars for eveeeeeryyyyy onnnnnnnneeeeeeee
[18:53]  * EriC^^ shuts up now
[18:54] <squinty> EriC^^:  ;-)
[18:56] <JimFenton> I'm having trouble getting packages from us.archive.ubuntu.com via IPv6 (2001:67c:1562::17). Is this a known problem?
[18:57] <minimec> quillford: I am sitting in a train an dthe connection dropped... So... Removing/renaming the xorg.conf file should bring you the opensource driver back on the next boot. I would do a clean system halt/boot after that. The /var/log/Xorg.0.log should be different after that boot (no fglrx things). As it was working like that for two weeks, it should work again after these steps.
[18:57] <keithclark> Any ideas on my usb stick issue?  I don't even seem to be able to format it with 'disks' either
[18:58] <eraggo> keithclark: usb3 or <usb2?
[18:58] <keithclark> eraggo, not sure
[18:59] <eraggo> keithclark: is it blue on the stick (contacting parts)
[18:59] <CJKay> Why does upstart lie about the network being up and how can I tell it to stop lying about it because it's screwing up all my IPv6 upstart scripts?
[18:59] <bipul> Can we able to run .webm in totem or VLC
[19:00] <keithclark> eraggo, I think black
[19:00] <PenguinAnon> keithclark: Have you tried GParted?
[19:01] <eraggo> keithclark: so i think it is not usb3. Now... what is the issue? You can not see stick on the GUI?
[19:01] <OerHeks> keithclark, is it a U3 stick ?
[19:01] <PenguinAnon> bipul: Both of those players support WebM, though I use Gnome MPlayer
[19:02] <OerHeks> !info u3-tool
[19:02] <bipul> PenguinAnon, Between i am not able to see the image
[19:02] <gagalicious> i have eth0  eth1 and eth2 ... how can i make them use both as incoming lines for different ips in different subnets?
[19:02] <PenguinAnon> bipul: What about Gnome-MPlayer?
[19:02] <lupoSolitario88> ciao
[19:02] <minimec> bipul: yes. Maybe install 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras' to have all the 'common codecs'
[19:02] <keithclark> eraggo, when trying to burn an iso image:  sudo dd if=/home/keithclark/Downloads/GroovyArcade-Arch2013.02.24-i686.iso of=/dev/sdc2
[19:02] <keithclark> dd: writing to ‘/dev/sdc2’: No space left on device
[19:03] <eraggo> keithclark: use "dd if=/home/anything of=/dev/sdc" as suo
[19:03] <eraggo> sudo*
[19:04] <keithclark> eraggo, I did
[19:04] <eraggo> so full command was..?
[19:04] <keithclark> see above ^^
[19:04] <OerHeks> note of=/dev/sdc, not of=/dev/sdc2
[19:04] <keithclark> OerHeks, ah
[19:04] <bipul> crisis of bits/bytes see you later
[19:05] <eraggo> keithclark: change /dev/sdc2 to /dev/sdc
[19:05] <keithclark> eraggo, trying now
[19:05] <keithclark> eraggo, I assume that I was trying to write to one of the partitions and not the entire drive?
[19:06] <eraggo> keithclark: yes. number is to tell partition
[19:06] <eraggo> keithclark: and you need to use disk; not the partition
[19:06] <keithclark> eraggo, got it, let's see what happens now.
[19:07] <eraggo> keithclark: that might take some time so get coffee
[19:07] <keithclark> eraggo, beer
[19:08] <eraggo> +1
[19:08] <keithclark> eraggo, does 'dd' have a verbose mode to see progress?
[19:09] <eraggo> keithclark: i do not know, but 5 mins is usual. It just tells if copying went correctly afterwards
[19:10] <keithclark> eraggo, thanks!  Seems to have worked and now I have to try it out.  I appreciate the help here.
[19:16] <quillford> minimec: still not working :(
[19:16] <johnb003> I am planning to update my distro soon, but I also want to start using ZFS. I currently have 4x drives, and I'm planning to add another 4, to make a raidz2 pool.
[19:16] <johnb003> Actually I also have a spare from an advance replacement from WD, which might help shuffling the data into the pool
[19:17] <johnb003> Do you think I could start the configuration and installation of the new distro on a single drive, and then setup my raid later and somehow preserve the install?
[19:17] <minimec> quillford: Did you check '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' to be sure that fglrx is not used anymore?
[19:18] <jamie_> undecim: ping
[19:18] <quillford> minimec: I can open a terminal in startx. how can I open the additional drivers program to revert back to open source drivers?
[19:21] <undecim> jamie_, pong
[19:21] <minimec> quillford: so you can open a terminal in the graphical environment? That would mean, that 'Xorg' os working, but you have a 'bugged' user session. Can you confirm the terminal in the startx session?
[19:21] <quillford> minimec: yes
[19:21] <jamie_> undecim: okay i did a lot of checking stuff last night and.... just came up with more info that made me scratch my head
[19:21] <quillford> minimec: I got additional drivers opened, but it says it is using xorg
[19:22] <quillford> minimec: startx only gives me my wallpaper however. I had to use ctrl + alt + t to open a terminal window
[19:23] <jamie_> qullford: are you having it just show the desktop and not the unity launcher after login
[19:23] <minimec> quillford: Ok. What if we added a user 'quillford' with 'sudo adduser quillford' in the console... Then you logout/login on the console as quillford and try 'startx'.
[19:23] <boriseto> Hello, is there a way to make the web browsers in Ubuntu to render the fonts as in the other operating systems?
[19:24] <jamie_> quillford: are are you have a problem with the drivers not set right anymore and its not showing the unity launcher just the folders on the desktop and background
[19:24] <samthewildone> !offtopic
[19:24] <quillford> jamie_: indeed I am
[19:25] <undecim> boriseto, How are they different?
[19:25] <bubbasaures> quillford: startx is not correct in ubuntu with a desktop
[19:25] <jamie_> quillford: okay execute cd ~ mv .config .configold
[19:26] <jamie_> from the same place as the others
[19:26] <boriseto> undecim, well several sites look a little distorted when viewing them. They don't look like that on Mac or Windows.
[19:26] <jamie_> after that restart
[19:27] <undecim> boriseto, can you get me a screenshot?
[19:27] <quillford> minimec: same thing with user quillford. just the desktop/wallpaper
[19:27] <jamie_> boriseto: are you using firefox
[19:28] <Trickster1> Hello all
[19:28] <Trickster1> someone know how can we change the order of the program in the task bar of lubuntu 11.04.1 ?
[19:28] <minimec> quillford: Ok. Seems that others are following us. Cool. So let's disable autologin for lightdm and do a reboot... --> 'sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf' Do a change like this... "autologin-user="
[19:28] <jamie_> Trickster1: your in 11.04.1
[19:28] <minimec> quillford: <ctrl>x to save the changes...
[19:28] <boriseto> undecim, sure, give me a sec.
[19:29] <bubbasaures> Trickster1, 11.04 is end of life and not supported you need to get to at least 12.04
[19:29] <boriseto> jamie_, on both firefox and chrome.
[19:29] <jamie_> boriseto: okay,
[19:29] <MartynKeigher> hey all. just bought a Raspberry Pi and i was wondering if i could run 14.04lts?
[19:29] <quillford> minimec: rebooting...
[19:29] <MartynKeigher> the Pi is a Model B+
[19:30] <MartynKeigher> if not.. Debain works
[19:30] <bubbasaures> MartynKeigher, THe web to hard?
[19:30] <MartynKeigher> just curiuos
[19:30] <MartynKeigher> bubbasaures .. .was more after peoples experiences with it to be honest? not a yes/no.
[19:31] <Trickster1> bubbasaures i use lubuntu and it is 14.04.1 sorry i wrote wrong
[19:31] <quillford> minimec: I now get a login screen, but when I login in all that happens is the login dialog box disappears
[19:31] <boriseto> undecim, https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6tj90qj11q016j/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-17%2020%3A28%3A08.png?dl=0 and https://www.dropbox.com/s/1zoagmj3uhqc228/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-17%2020%3A28%3A40.png?dl=0
[19:31] <bubbasaures> MartynKeigher, Neither really on topic is all.
[19:31] <minimec> quillford: Would you have this with both accounts? So with 'quillford' too?
[19:31] <bubbasaures> Trickster1, Great, not sure myself without searching.
[19:32] <undecim> boriseto, Nothing looks odd to me. In what way are they distorted?
[19:32] <Trickster1> bercause i searsh and don't find it via google :(
[19:32] <quillford> minimec: same thing
[19:32] <quillford> minimec: works with quillford
[19:32] <MartynKeigher> yeah. how silly of me to ask a 'Ubuntu' question... in the 'Ubuntu' channel!!
[19:32] <MartynKeigher> thanks for the "help".
[19:32] <minimec> quillford: Ok. ;) One step forward...
[19:32] <catacost> Hi, alsamixer is showing me headphone impedance but not volume, what do I need to do to gain the normal volume percentage control?
[19:33] <boriseto> undecim, for example, in the first picture, the words are cut out and are under the searchbox. It isn't like that on Mac or Windows.
[19:33] <bubbasaures> MartynKeigher, THis is suport, the first question easily found, second really both #ubuntu-offtopic honestly an attitude does not help you.
[19:33] <boriseto> undecim, and in the second picture, the member name is in one line (and it is even next to half the size and overall rendered differently).
[19:34] <undecim> boriseto, so it seems the characters are too wide?
[19:34] <boriseto> undecim, I'm guessing it's due some missing fonts or something, but not sure how to find which.
[19:34] <minimec> quillford: So you have some broken user settings for your default user. As mentioned above I would forst try to 'mv .config .config-old' in a console, logged in as the not working default user.
[19:34] <undecim> boriseto, Do you have ttf-mscorefonts-installer ?
[19:34] <boriseto> undecim, well yes. And in some sites some google fonts aren't rendered as they are on the other browsers.
[19:35] <minimec> quillford: 20:25        jamie_ : quillford: okay execute cd ~ mv .config .configold
[19:35] <undecim> boriseto, You've tried this with more than one browser?
[19:35] <schultza> why is there a huge delay in archive.canonical.com trusty partner ?
[19:35] <jamie_> minimec: that is waht i was saying, ive had to do it before, actually quite recently
[19:35] <boriseto> undecim, I think so, they usually are installed with playonlinux. Yeap, with Firefox, Chromium, Chrome and Konqueror (not sure if I spelled it right).
[19:35] <quillford> minimec: in the x11 directory?
[19:36] <boriseto> undecim, I'm installing firefox with wine to check if it's the same over there.
[19:36] <undecim> boriseto, Why playonlinux?
[19:36] <bubbasaures> schultza, Have you just tried other servers?
[19:36] <minimec> quillford: /home/non-working-default-user/.config .;)
[19:36] <boriseto> undecim, well because it uses that package for applications. So whenever I install it, it downloads all the fonts as well.
[19:36] <schultza> bubbasaures: is there trusty partner packages on other servers?
[19:37] <schultza> are there... "trust partner:
[19:37] <undecim> boriseto, Does native Firefox do the same thing
[19:37] <schultza> i cant type today.. think i need to go back to bed or take a shower.. lol
[19:38] <boriseto> undecim, does what? Render the fonts like that?
[19:38] <undecim> boriseto, yes
[19:38] <boriseto> undecim, well the screenshots are from Firefox.
[19:38] <quillford> minimec: there is only conf.new
[19:38] <quillford> minimec: there is no xorg.cong
[19:38] <quillford> minimec: there is no xorg.conf
[19:38] <bubbasaures> schultza, My guess is that is the issue, software & updates first tab you can find the fastest ping, or closest, not sure exactly how your using it however.
[19:39] <undecim> boriseto, Do you know how to use element inspector? I'm curious if this happens with only specific fonts
[19:40] <boriseto> undecim, yes, I'm in the beginning of web development and it's the main reason how I realized this. If I disable a font family on the site, the fonts are rendered differently (and in some cases correct) but it isn't like that on all pages.
[19:40] <minimec> quillford: .config/ is a hidden directory in the user directory
[19:40] <boriseto> undecim,  *sites instead pages
[19:41] <quillford> minimec: no such file or directory
[19:41] <undecim> boriseto, See if you can discover which specific fonts are like this
[19:41] <jamie_> boriesto: have you tried using firefox web developer edition
[19:41] <boriseto> jamie_, yeap.
[19:41] <minimec> quillford: Just login as that bugged-user in a console and do 'mv .config .config-old' that should do.
[19:42] <boriseto> undecim, sure.
[19:42] <quillford>  minimec: no file or directory
[19:43] <quillford> minimec: I'm seeing the default desktop. did I lose my desktop configuration?
[19:43] <boriseto> undecim, for example it happens with "Tahoma"
[19:43] <boriseto> undecim, it happened to some other fonts as well.
[19:44] <undecim> boriseto, Do you have Tahoma installed?
[19:45] <undecim> boriseto, and Tahoma is the first in the font stack? e.g. "Tahoma,Verdana,Segoe,sans-serif"
[19:45] <minimec> quillford: Well yes, but you would have all of it backed up in '.config-old'. So you can copy some folders back, if you recognize the specific software
[19:46] <quillford> minimec: so I didn't lose any files or programs?
[19:46] <boriseto> undecim, ehm, how to check which fonts are installed? And yes, it was the first one in the font stack, I tried removing only one.
[19:47] <minimec> quillford: No. You only lost the individual settings you did for a specific software. Like if you changed the default font in libreoffice or so.
[19:48] <undecim> boriseto, Easiest way is to check in another program like LibreOffice
[19:48] <undecim> boriseto, or do "find /usr/share/fonts/ -iname *tahoma*"
[19:49] <quillford> minimec: I can't get in via the login dialog. only through TTY then startx
[19:49] <jamie_> quillford you have to make sure you are in dir ~ and tne from there do the mv .config .configold
[19:49] <boriseto> undecim, yeah, I don't have it there.
[19:49] <jamie_> quillford: would you happen to have any other enviroments installed
[19:49] <undecim> boriseto, You might be able to download it here: http://www.fontpalace.com/font-download/Tahoma/
[19:50] <quillford> jamie_: just stock unity
[19:51] <bubbasaures> quillford Startx is wrong.
[19:51] <minimec> quillford: What happens if you try to login with tha graphical dialog? Are you just thrown back to that dialog? In that case you might have to login as that user in the console and 'mv .Xauthority .Xauthority-old'.
[19:52] <bubbasaures> quillford, in a tty sudo service lighdm start  or stop
[19:52] <jamie_> quillford: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-nightly
[19:52] <jamie_> sudo apt-get update
[19:52] <jamie_> sudo apt-get install cinnamon
[19:52] <jamie_> I would sugest that then run startx cinnamon and it should open cinnmon properly
[19:52] <jamie_> sorry i dont know why that sent that as multiple
[19:52] <bubbasaures> !ppa | jamie_
[19:52] <quillford> minimec: I just get a screen with a wallpaper
[19:52] <bubbasaures> jamie_ Are you suggesting a ppa as a fix here?
[19:53] <jamie_> no
[19:53] <bubbasaures> jamie_, Why the ppa?
[19:53] <jamie_> as a tempt to be able to access a usable ui and then be able access everything you should need from there
[19:53] <boriseto> undecim, I found a script that installs a lot of google fonts on ubuntu (made by the webupd8 guy), so will try it out and see if it helps.
[19:54] <undecim> boriseto, I thought Google fonts downloaded themselves...
[19:54] <quillford> I think it is working now
[19:54] <jamie_> bubbasaures: its to have access and fix from there and then go back to unity.... trust me I do not like cinnamon at all, just have it just in case
[19:54] <bubbasaures> jamie_, There are several other supported desktop do not suggest one in a ppa, read the bots message please.
[19:54] <boriseto> undecim, I thought so too.
[19:54] <minimec> quillford: ?? Are you logged in as the same user on the console? You told me, that user 'quillford' is working with graphical and console login...
[19:55] <jamie_> quillford: did you try to see if it was you display manager
[19:55] <quillford> no
[19:55] <quillford> thanks all
[19:55] <quillford> it is now working
[19:55] <bubbasaures> quillford, How?
[19:57] <quillford> bubbasaures: I was able to get to bleachbit via startx. clearing all the cache seemed to have worked after I uninstalled fglrx and the proprietary drivers
[19:57] <minimec> quillford: Nice ;) Thing is, that it may also work with the amd fglrx... Now that we know that your user session was corrupted... ;)
[19:57] <bubbasaures> quillford, Cool, you got my message on the correct commands?
[19:57] <quillford> bubbasaures: which commands?
[19:58] <bubbasaures> bubbasaures> quillford, in a tty sudo service lighdm start  or stop
[19:58] <quillford> one more question. one every computer I have used ubuntu on, I have gotten a system problem was detected at boot. how can I just hide this?
[19:58] <bubbasaures> startx is not correct
[19:58] <Mathis> hey
[19:58] <quillford> bubbasaures: oh yeah. after I did that, I could login through the login dialog :)
[19:59] <Mathis> I installed Ubuntu 14.04 on a UEFI machine in secure mode on a harddisk
[19:59] <Mathis> then I did a dd from the disk to a USB thumbdrive
[19:59] <jamie_>  quillford you have to disable apport
[19:59] <quillford> how so?
[19:59] <Mathis> it does not boot. what do I have to do so it boots from the USB drive?
[20:00] <jamie_> in terminal sudo nano /etc/default/apport
[20:00] <jamie_> in there the will be a line that reads enabled=1    you need to change it to     enabled=0
[20:00] <quillford> got it
[20:00] <quillford> thanks
[20:00] <undecim> Mathis, Why didn't you just install the thumb drive?
[20:00] <minimec> @ops LISA_XAVIER is a spam bot contacting me private...
[20:00] <undecim> Install to the thumb drive*
[20:01] <jamie_> minimec same.....
[20:01] <Mathis> undecim: because the thumbdrive is extremely slow, also I will have to create many copies of it on other USB drives
[20:02] <quillford> minimec: I'm getting that spam too
[20:02] <robotdevil> if I want to change say a jpeg to another picture type say .tiff, what program do I use?
[20:02] <robotdevil> I thought I used gimp
[20:02] <jamie_> that is what i use
[20:02] <theadmin> robotdevil: You can use GIMP, sure, seems overkill though
[20:02] <theadmin> The "convert" command does what you want
[20:03] <jamie_> i just cheat half the time.... some formats all you have to do is change the file extension
[20:03] <robotdevil> right
[20:03] <jamie_> okay..... that spam bot is getting annoying