[05:17] <Corey> Lovely!  "Wiki surge protection."
[05:17] <Corey> I've hit four wiki pages in the last half hour.  I'm the only one home.
[05:17] <Corey> Filtering problem, or ridiculously low limit?
[05:21] <Corey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ <-- that working for anyone else?
[05:21] <bioterror> Surge protection
[05:21] <bioterror> Warning:
[05:21] <bioterror> You triggered the wiki's surge protection by doing too many requests in a short time.
[05:21] <bazhang> Surge protection
[05:21] <bioterror> Please make a short break reading the stuff you already got.
[05:21] <bioterror> When you restart doing requests AFTER that, slow down or you might get locked out for a longer time!
[05:21] <bioterror> so yes, it's not working ;)
[05:21] <bazhang> interpol is on the way
[05:21] <bazhang> :0
[05:22] <bioterror> not the first time ubuntu's wiki is causing problems :-)
[05:22] <bioterror> the one and only page which I hate to edit
[05:24] <Corey> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the canonically correct way to set up pam_ldap
[05:27] <bioterror> Corey, I bet it will require lots of this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393913_10151112676893469_1033769409_n.jpg ;)
[05:27] <bioterror> I've never much configured ldap, but what I've heard it's quite understandably if you have done it few times before and you know what you're doing :-)
[05:29] <Corey> Ooh, Aeropress.
[05:44] <bioterror> seems like we have here a friend of good coffee, Corey  ;)


[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:42] <ducasse> good morning
[06:44] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[06:44] <marcoagpinto> The demon is here!
[18:54] <oerheks> grinn https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg1Msn6WAAEqMJU?format=jpg&name=medium
[18:54] <oerheks> anyone wants a epson printer for free? DM me
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:00] <sarnold> lol
[19:24] <akemhp> Nice one :P
[21:09] <sarnold> oerheks: fwiw I suspect the https isn't it -- it's not failing to contact things, it's failing in running postinst scripts, and apt-transport-https has been part of the main apt package for a while now; I cn't recall when exactly..
[21:10] <oerheks> yes, i find funny python3 version too
[21:11] <oerheks> i have python3.6      3.6.9-1~18.0 amd64  on bionic 18.04.5
[21:11] <oerheks> 3.6.7 something on his system?
[21:11] <sarnold> o_O
[21:11] <sarnold> gonna be a bad time then
[21:12] <oerheks> and that could be caused by 1 package held back... you spotted elementary??
[21:12] <sarnold> at least one package in the dpkg -l output had an ~elemetnary of some sort in the version strings, and it's all over this apt-get update output
[21:38] <oerheks> debian-python ..
[21:38] <oerheks> *hips*
[21:38] <oerheks> do not drink & sudo, oerheks
[21:42] <oerheks> sarnold, five bucks on "go ask elementary os" gives 3 bucks when you win.
[21:42] <sarnold> oerheks: lol
[21:43] <tomreyn> the versions he has for python3 and python3.6 are default for 18.04
[21:43] <tomreyn> but i guess he's one of those who like to have multiple python environments on the system level
[21:44] <tomreyn> i.e. not virtualenv, not --user / --local
[21:44] <daftykins> well as the old line goes, 2 snakes are better than one... ;)
[21:45] <tomreyn> python2 bites, python2 self-destructs
[21:45] <tomreyn> turn 2: python3 bites, python3 is still standing!
[21:46] <oerheks> snake eyes, seven eleven tra la la ..
[21:47]  * oerheks is TAPP fan


[00:47] <krytarik> In context of adding the Ubuntu Security Podcast as a new source, I just updated the feed lists in the Google Doc and linked from there btw.
[00:50] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :) .. good think'n.
[00:50] <krytarik> (More specifically also flipped the former Insights to Blog there.)
[00:51] <krytarik> Would be nice if they could flip the links in it too sometime though. :P
[01:08] <Wild_Man> Cool


[00:04] <InHisName> I listed my Desktop dir.   Icons named   abc.Desktop        I did sudo find / -name gns3.desktop and found it.
[00:05] <InHisName> I fixed it up. It calls up the new version, now.
[05:56] <InHisName> Which is better at this time,  Good late night or Good Morning ?
[09:10] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[09:43] <rmg51> Morning
[09:43] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:43] <rmg51> hi
[11:21] <InHisName> Good later Morning
[12:10]  * waltman *YAWNS*
[12:11]  * InHisName runs off to *b'fast*
[17:38] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[17:38] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/v6goc/reddit_we_all_derp_at_the_wrong_time_what_is_your/
[17:53] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: you have a son ?  and you're not with him, today?
[17:54] <InHisName> Or maybe you were, but that is a crummy foot to depart from him.
[17:54] <InHisName> At least the bacon was good.
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> I was just joking, and then I apologized
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> then tripped
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> LOL
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> He's here now :)
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> He's 13, 6'1" and 195lb
[18:02]  * TheLordOfTime requires bacon


[00:55] <krytarik> Bashing-om, guiverc: Btw, UWN 775 ended up being posted twice to the mailing list and I think for the first time! :P
[01:08] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Google told me my post could not be sent >> Unauthorized :( We pay greater attention to that next issue release !
[01:11] <krytarik> Yeah, I read that in the backlog.. was it in your email client or on the website?
[01:13] <guiverc> yeah sorry krytarik , I now see Bashing-om's ML post; but didn't earlier  (I look for issue number confirmation in ML if there; or on UF & found what I wanted on UF today..)
[01:17] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Was on my Google E-mail client advisory. Verry shortly after I "sent" to the M/L.
[01:24] <krytarik> That response to my question can be interpreted as either of "email client" and "website" btw. :P  (I'm kinda assuming website, because the "unauthorized" error message is a regular one there and from the discription it sounds like it was raised someway independently from sending the mail.)
[06:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 775 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/02/20/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-775/ (by guiverc)
[08:28] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Elektrobit and Canonical announce EB corbos Linux – built on Ubuntu @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/elektrobit-and-canonical-announce-eb-corbos-linux-built-on-ubuntu
[22:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: Any addition action to take: SCALE in the fridge? >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2023-February/003039.html ?


[11:37] <jml> home.python-keyring.org, so I can't test the dependency change I've made to pkgme :\
[11:37] <jml> oh, no
[11:37] <jml> there it goes
[13:03] <jml> is there a way to get more info in the stack trace for APIErrors from piston_mini_client?
[13:04] <jml> specifically, APIError.body would be handy to have
[13:07] <mvo> jml: not sure if that is helpful, but if PISTON_MINI_CLIENT_DEBUG is set it will contain the more info including the body iirc
[13:07] <jml> mvo: thanks.
[13:09] <jml> now, where is celery hiding these errors?
[13:14] <jml> (found the log. interestingly it's logging two stack traces per error.)
[13:19] <mvo> two identical ones? or two different ones ;) ?
[13:20] <jml> identical.
[13:20] <jml> my most recent example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747009/
[13:21] <mvo> confusing!
[13:25] <jml> yes.
[13:26] <jml> I'm going to pause to go to the shops to get food so I can eat immediately after our call in ~30mins
[13:26] <jml> (One of these days I'm going to experiment with enough food around house to last for more than 1 day)
[13:44] <mvo> heh :)
[14:23] <jml> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747065/ (re your assigned card)
[14:32]  * jml fights the urge to rewrite pkgme-service in Twisted
[14:33] <jml> achuni: hey, what backend does djpkgme use for celery?
[14:33] <james_w> jml, thanks
[14:33] <jml> james_w: would be good to have a quick chat about state of this after the team-wide call.
[14:33] <achuni> jml: atm, kombu
[14:33] <achuni> (that's only intended for dev though)
[14:34] <jml> achuni: ok, thanks.
[14:34] <jml> achuni: do you have any experience / guidance for deploying celery to production?
[14:36] <noodles775> jml: if the dpkgme service is only tiny - it may save you time long-term (both maintenance and deployment). Maybe chat with achuni about it?
[14:36] <noodles775> (sorry, re: Twisted)
[14:37] <jml> noodles775: as in, it might save time to keep it where it is or to port to Twisted?
[14:37] <noodles775> jml: to port it to Twisted
[14:37] <noodles775> (if it's only small now - I haven't checked)
[14:37] <jml> I'd probably end up rewriting chunks of piston (or switch to xmlrpc)
[14:37] <jml> it's pretty small
[14:39] <noodles775> k, just make sure you chat with achuni about it (as we could all learn from the reasons/changes), pls
[14:39] <achuni> jml: none
[14:39] <achuni> jml: it was django when we thought we'd be maintaining it, if you believe twisted would fit the task better, feel free
[14:39] <achuni> jml: noodles775 indeed, the Django parts are tiny
[14:39] <noodles775> sweet.
[14:40] <jml> well, tbh, I don't really know. I know that I know twisted better than I know django or celery, but that might not be a great reason.
[14:40] <achuni> jml: I think Django is more of a candidate if you plan on giving it a bit more of a website face
[14:41] <achuni> (as in admin or monitoring views)
[14:41] <achuni> you'd need twisted + something else in that case
[14:46] <jml> achuni: yeah. I don't think we have a clear idea of what we want w/ web monitoring, tbh.
[14:46] <achuni> yup
[14:47] <achuni> grr
[14:47]  * achuni isn't getting along with mumble today
[14:56] <james_w> jml, do you want to discuss now?
[14:56] <jml> james_w: sure.
[14:58] <james_w> jml, you can't hear me?
[14:58] <jml> james_w: I just heard you type
[14:58] <jml> but now mumble crashed
[15:03] <jml> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747100/
[15:03] <jml> james_w: ^
[15:09] <ruudt> How to display an image in Python (machine without any desktop environment). I'm now using pygame, but when displaying an image I have to make the program pause or else the image disappears...
[15:11] <ruudt> hertenrode
[15:11] <ruudt> sorry, wrong irc window for the last word
[15:52] <dpm> ruudt, if no one here can answer the question, I'd recommend filing it at http://askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=application-development
[15:56] <ruudt> dpm: thanks, I'll go and look there anyway!
[15:57] <dpm> ruudt, cool :)
[17:10] <jml> g'night all
[17:10]  * jml → kickboxing


[22:28] <CodeOmegaPrime> treydogg, thats the problem I dont even get to grub it just loads me into windows.
[22:28] <aeon-ltd> dorkmafia: creating the usb install stick, it doesn't matter about the host if done correctly as long as it can boot by the BIOS it's fine
[22:28] <treydogg> codeomegaprime:  boot to your live cd
[22:28] <Gnea> corecode: you're not paying me, I don't have to. when hibernate occurs, it writes everything to the swap, whether it's a partition or file matters not.  a write is a write.
[22:28] <dorkmafia> ok thanks
[22:28] <escott> CodeOmegaPrime, we dont know why your grub didn't work, but the first thing is to follow the instructions above and reinstall grub
[22:29] <dorkmafia> what controls the booting for ubuntu is there a boot manager or do i just select the drive I want by using the bios?
[22:29] <CodeOmegaPrime> escott: ok ty I will read it and be back.
[22:29] <aeon-ltd> luc_: how many times have you tried?
[22:29] <skegeek> I'm using Gnome 2.32.1
[22:29] <luc_> aeon-ltd, 4 or 5
[22:29] <aeon-ltd> luc_: if 64bit is it supported by the cpu?
[22:30] <luc_> aeon-ltd, even zorin same thing
[22:30] <escott> dorkmafia, usually grub is used but the hackintosh loaders will recognize and load linux
[22:30] <dorkmafia> k thanks
[22:30] <Gnea> corecode: the point is that the hibernate process will use more i/o on your ssd than a standard shutdown/bootup process will, per instance.
[22:30] <corecode> Gnea: then let me put it in a different way: you are wrong and are confusing people with wrong advice
[22:30] <luc_> aeon-ltd, yes windows 7 was 64 bit
[22:30] <corecode> Gnea: ah, of course
[22:30] <corecode> Gnea: but that does not mean that it will break the ssd
[22:30] <Gnea> corecode: feel free to prove me wrong, not with your pointless rhetoric, but with fact.
[22:31] <aeon-ltd> luc_: describe the boot process
[22:31] <luc_> aeon-ltd, live cd works perfect
[22:31] <aeon-ltd> wait a sec i'm gonna leave but i'll be back
[22:31] <treydogg> corecode:  you can edit the boot.ini as well, but when you install ubuntu it should automatically see the windows partition
[22:31] <skegeek> I've been considering switching to Xfce, maybe I should make the switch instead of trying to fix it.
[22:32] <luc_> aeon-ltd, goes through start then bios steps then to black screen
[22:32] <corecode> Gnea: you stated that ssds die because of hibernate, so you are the one who will have to show facts
[22:32] <Gnea> corecode: it means that the ssd is more likely to break sooner, if the i/o load over the lifespan of the drive is high, than if a similar i/o load is presented over a similar timeframe to a platter-based drive.
[22:33] <corecode> Gnea: yes
[22:33] <Gnea> corecode: negative, I said that they will die faster than platter-based drives.  you are the one that arrived to that conclusion on your own.
[22:33] <corecode> Gnea: fair enough, then i misunderstood you
[22:33] <Gnea> corecode: it happens
[22:33] <dataspy> i love ubuntu
[22:33] <corecode> the option here is not platter vs ssd
[22:33] <corecode> for me it is "how much swap do i need for hibernate"
[22:34] <Gnea> corecode: I usually go with twice the amount of ram
[22:34] <Gnea> if I have 2g ram, a 4g swap partition (or file) will suffice
[22:34] <escott> corecode, hibernate swap >= ram + running swap
[22:34] <sum1nil> I object to the lack of support for ati in Oneiric!!!
[22:34] <vehemoth> I deleted my Documents folder and then created a folder by the same name, do I just right click and set a picture for it to be like before?
[22:35] <Gnea> sum1nil: ATI seems to not care about your feelings on the matter.
[22:35] <corecode> escott: that's recursive :)
[22:35] <corecode> Gnea: yea, but 16GB swap seems quite excessive
[22:35] <aeon-ltd> luc_: okay, can you descibe the boot process?
[22:35] <escott> corecode, running swap is not the same as hibernate swap
[22:35] <corecode> escott: ah?
[22:35] <escott> corecode, what i mean by running swap is the swap your system actually uses when running
[22:35] <corecode> ah ok
[22:36] <VampsWin7> can anyone tell me what i would search for to find, install and add the launching icons to the dock/launcher/menu bar?
[22:36] <escott> VampsWin7, alacarte
[22:36] <luc_> aeon-ltd, starts then bios steps then black screen with blinking curser
[22:36] <sum1nil> well it put the k-bob on Oneiric for now for my laptop.]
[22:36] <VampsWin7> escott : is that a package making things easy to use?
[22:36] <Gnea> corecode: I suppose it depends how much HDD space you've got to work with. Entropy is a well-known occurance with computers.
[22:36] <escott> !info alacarte | VampsWin7
[22:37] <corecode> Gnea: 110GB :/
[22:37] <dorkmafia> I downloaded ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso from the ubuntu website does that mean I downloaded the amd version? Is there an intel version?
[22:37] <corecode> i'm trying to do a ubuntu in luks in gpt/uefi
[22:37] <Gnea> corecode: that's not bad, gives you 94G. it's not like you're creating a stash of movies, right? :)
[22:37] <VampsWin7> dorkmafia : NO you downloaded the 64 bit of Ubuntu
[22:37] <Myrtti> dorkmafia: amd64 is the codename for 64-bit processors
[22:37] <aeon-ltd> luc_: no GRUB? (holding Esc or shift depending on the version)
[22:37] <corecode> Gnea: no, but i'm close with my current homedir
[22:38] <luc_> aeon-ltd, what on start up or on black screen
[22:38] <Gnea> corecode: aaah, perhaps it might be time to come up with a backup solution
[22:38] <dorkmafia> oh ok
[22:38] <aeon-ltd> luc_: on start up then if grub shows there should be some options
[22:38] <dorkmafia> phew
[22:39] <corecode> Gnea: :)
[22:39] <corecode> 8GB it is
[22:39] <treydogg> luc:  keep pressing 'e'
[22:39] <Gnea> corecode: if necessary, you can always create a swapfile and add it on-demand to increase your overall swap - that might help with any possible hibernation issues in the future
[22:40] <luc_> aeon-ltd, u mean my bios setup
[22:40] <VampsWin7> escott : think you may have misunderstood what i was looking for.. let me try to reword it. I am lookin for something to allow me to add remove and find the "applets" like sound, networks, and the like to the menu/dock/launcher
[22:40] <Gnea> corecode: concursively, you can always delete it :)
[22:40] <escott> VampsWin7, start them first, then right click on the icon and pin it
[22:40] <aeon-ltd> luc_: no, after the bios boot (after POST)
[22:41] <dans> is there a way of booting one partition inside a window in another (both linux)? im tired of rebooting over and over to try and get my gnome3 working
[22:41] <luc_> aeon-ltd, nothing
[22:41] <escott> dans, you are describing a virtualmachine, but its not really appropriate. what is happening with gnome3
[22:42] <dans> i am, why is it not appropriate?
[22:42] <corecode> ext4 still suggested in oneiric?
[22:42] <dans> im just having trouble getting it to recognise the display, its an arch installation
[22:42] <escott> corecode, btrfs is still a good 6months+ away from being anyones suggested FS
[22:43] <dans> fglrxinfo returns unable to open display and i get module load errors in Xorg.5.log
[22:43] <CodeOmegaPrime> Will GRUB2 Detect Windows 7 64bit?
[22:43] <gateway_> hello, is anyone there?
[22:43] <Gnea> corecode: oops, that should have been 'conversely'
[22:43] <gateway_> I'm trying to use my blackberry as a tethered modem on my ubuntu
[22:43] <escott> CodeOmegaPrime, it should
[22:44] <VampsWin7> escott : when you open the add to panel what is the name of the objects you are adding
[22:44] <luc_> aeon-ltd, if i install on my other drive will i beable to access them and burn them to a disc
[22:44] <CodeOmegaPrime> escott: Ok just making sure did some additional research and saw there was some issues with that awhile back. I just wanted to make sure they were either A)Resolved or B)Just people doing things they shouldnt LOL probobly B
[22:45] <VampsWin7> CodeOmegaPrime : my main tower has both Ubuntu x64 Natty and Win 7 install.. grub recognized and setup so that i can boot to either
[22:45] <escott> VampsWin7, im assuming you are running unity, and that you start the application from the "Windows Key Menu", then on the left panel you can right click the icon for the running application and keep it on the panel
[22:46] <CodeOmegaPrime> VampsWin7 TY ok brb  going to re-install grub2
[22:47] <aeon-ltd> luc_: burn what? the install ISOs?
[22:47] <VampsWin7> escott L i'm runing Ubuntu CLassic. i'm refering to when you right click on the Menu bar and the submenu allows you to add what i believe is applets, but that's what i'm tryin to figure out.
[22:47] <aeon-ltd> luc_: if you can just try this boot but hold shift throughout
[22:47] <escott> VampsWin7, for classic i think you want to add a "launcher" applet
[22:48] <gateway_> well, heck, still waiting for someone to talk to me about blackberry tethered modems
[22:48] <luc_> aeon-ltd, no my files on my 2nd drive i have in my computer
[22:49] <VampsWin7> escott : not a launcher, i want to find more of the packages like trash bin, desktop switcher, network setup, email notify, and the link
[22:49]  * Gnea is so glad to have gotten rid of his blackberry
[22:49] <VampsWin7> like**
[22:49] <escott> VampsWin7, i guess make sure that the gnome-applets package. its been a long time since ive used classic. sorry
[22:50] <aeon-ltd> luc_: yes, but what other OSes do you have on the pc (all hdds that work)
[22:50] <corecode> oh wow the oneiric installer is nice
[22:50] <VampsWin7> escott : understandable. so the icons left in the dock for trash bin and desktop switcher are called applets?
[22:51] <escott> VampsWin7, yes
[22:51] <VampsWin7> escott : is there a way to easily search for different applets that are available?
[22:52] <VampsWin7> escott : SMP makes it a little tricky to find them easily.
[22:52] <VampsWin7> err SPM
[22:52] <luc_> aeon-ltd, some screen came up with ubuntu with 5 options on it
[22:52] <escott> VampsWin7, it should list them all when you click on the panel. verify that you are right clicking on the panel itself and not on an applet in the panel. if your panel is full it may be hard to find a pixel that will get you the panel menu instead of an applet
[22:53] <VampsWin7> escott : correct that does work, but is there a resource to find others that are out there? like the Package Managers does .
[22:54] <luc_> aeon-ltd, checking disk for defect now
[22:54] <aeon-ltd> luc_: whilst doing the shift thing?
[22:55] <escott> VampsWin7, most of the more popular ones should be packaged up, but they dont generally come individually
[22:55] <luc_> aeon-ltd, yes
[22:55] <aeon-ltd> luc_: good this is progress
[22:55] <corecode> meh, grub setup fail
[22:56] <VampsWin7> escott : aww ok, thanks. the snypatic package manager will still find others that exist either mainstream or otherwise correct?
[22:56] <luc_> aeon-ltd, it is finding a lot of errors reading sectors
[22:57] <escott> VampsWin7, no you would have to compile non-packaged applets from source. I'm not sure where you can find them
[22:57] <murielgodoi> hi guys. How can I add a flag then using dpkg-builpackage?
[22:57] <escott> corecode, any errors?
[22:57] <VampsWin7> escott : got ya now. thanks for the info.
[22:57] <luc_> aeon-ltd, can i install to mt 1tb drive that has all my files on it before from windows 7
[22:58] <luc_> aeo screen is half green now
[22:59] <aeon-ltd> luc_: static or is there some changes happening?
[22:59] <escott> luc_, errors reading sectors is concerning. use the disk utility tool to check the SMART status of the disk
[23:00] <luc_> aeon-ltd, dont know all most full green
[23:01] <luc_> aeon-ltd, as bad sector reads it goes up a line green
[23:02] <aeon-ltd> luc_: hmm okay iguess :) i'd just wait it out for a while
[23:02] <murielgodoi> How can I add a cflag then using dpkg-builpackage?
[23:03] <luc_> aeon-ltd, if i disconect my other drive do u think thats the problem because it was i ntfs
[23:04] <luc_> aeon-ltd, full green screen now
[23:04] <aeon-ltd> luc_: other drives should not affect the OS on another drive
[23:05] <aeon-ltd> luc_: now we play the waiting game
[23:06] <luc_> aeon-ltd, thats what happened to my windows 7 when i live cd ubuntu on it
[23:07] <luc_> aeon-ltd, should i just turn it off
[23:07] <aeon-ltd> luc_: how long has it been?
[23:07] <luc_> aeon-ltd, 8 to 12 minutes
[23:08] <luc_> aeon-ltd, still reading errors
[23:08] <aeon-ltd> luc_: where did this hdd come from?
[23:09] <luc_> aeon-ltd,the one i am trying to install to   off of my other comp that had win xp
[23:10] <luc_> aeon-ltd, it worked fine before i took it out
[23:11] <aeon-ltd> luc_: heh the errors say otherwise :) if you are going to restart hold shift and try all possible boot options and see if they lead anywhere
[23:12] <MonkeyDust> off-topic: my ACPI is not really reliable ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/687206/
[23:13] <zykotick9_> MonkeyDust, @mint-laptop what distro are you using ;)
[23:13] <MonkeyDust> percentage goes down, but number of minutes does not
[23:14] <MonkeyDust> idd zykotick9_ :)
[23:15] <frank_> how do i have to build my PRUNEPATHS in updatedb.conf to tell updatedb to just index one additional mountpoint (iscsi target) but not usb sticks that are occasionally plugged in and left in the usb slot a few days (updatedb runs every night)
[23:17] <luc_> aeon-ltd, im going totry installing 32 bit version
[23:17] <aeon-ltd> luc_: okay, did all boot options not work?
[23:18] <luc_> aeon-ltd, aeo correct
[23:19] <escott> frank_, what about adding vfat to PRUNEFS?
[23:24] <momoru> What's the status of NTFS support nowadays?
[23:24] <bazhang> momoru, very solid
[23:25] <momoru> bazhang, the last time I tried messing around with NTFS, it was read-only.  So I'm assuming write-support is stable now?
[23:25] <bazhang> momoru, for many years now, yes
[23:25] <escott> momoru, there are two ntfs drivers one in kernel which is read only, the other in userspace which can write
[23:25] <escott> momoru, neither can fsck
[23:26] <DeviceZer0> momoru, I dont really write to ntfs..but for reading it has been fine for many years...in the last few years i have read that writing works fine too
[23:26] <DeviceZer0> ntfs-3g being the driver im familiar with.
[23:27] <DeviceZer0> though. There was a bug a long time ago with ntfs-3g that destroyed your data and unfortunately for me...i was effected by it several times...but from what i have read its a rare bug that only effected a small number of ppl.
[23:28] <dorkmafia> so i followed the instructions on this page http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download to create a usb stick on the mac and when i tried to boot off the usb stick it said failed to find boot disk
[23:29] <escott> dorkmafia, you probably need bootcamp installed. boot it like it was windows
[23:29] <dorkmafia> no i'm using this on my pc
[23:29] <dorkmafia> i'm just creating the usb key on my mac
[23:30] <escott> dorkmafia, and your bios supports usb devices as boot devices?
[23:30] <dorkmafia> yes
[23:30] <dorkmafia> i have a ud7 x58a
[23:30] <dorkmafia> gigabyte
[23:32] <Aeth> How can I analyze which files all processes have opened? Is there an ideal app for that?
[23:33] <escott> Aeth, lsof will indicate what processes hold a given file open
[23:34] <luc_> aeon-ltd, trying to install now
[23:34] <marvel> boa noite
[23:34] <momoru> I was just curious whether NTFS write-support was safe because I have a 1TB external HD formatted to NTFS with all my files on it.
[23:34] <marvel> pessoal
[23:34] <Aeth> escott: Is there something that is more real-time in monitoring than lsof?
[23:34] <bazhang> !br | marvel
[23:35] <bazhang> momoru, yes very
[23:35] <ProphetZarquon> Intel Centrino2 Core 2 Duo 2.53Ghz, 2gb RAM 128mb video memory (possibly shared?), VM gets 1024mb RAM, 64/128mb video memory (tried both), updates OK, can't verify DirectX. dxdiag crashes the VM. Any ideas why?
[23:35] <bazhang> ProphetZarquon, ubuntu guest? ubuntu host?
[23:36] <ProphetZarquon> Ubuntu 11.04 host, Tiny XP guest which usually works fine with Direct X in PC to PC VMs.
[23:37] <ikonia> ProphetZarquon: what virtualisation ?
[23:37] <bazhang> ProphetZarquon, vbox?
[23:37] <ProphetZarquon> Virtual Box OSE was the only one I could find with video acceleration.
[23:38] <ikonia> I suspect it's not enabled/working hence the dx failure
[23:38] <dorkmafia> my guess is that the usb key didn't get created poperly?
[23:39] <dorkmafia> how big should the installer be for the 64 bit version?
[23:39] <dorkmafia> i am looking at the usb drive and it says ubuntu 11.04 amd
[23:39] <escott> Aeth, /proc?
[23:39] <ProphetZarquon> ikonia, What's not enabled? 3d and 2d acceleration are enabled in the Virtual Box settings and VM Additions are running on the XP guest.
[23:40] <escott> Aeth, or look into any of the kernel tracing functionality
[23:40] <ikonia> ProphetZarquon: it would appear to not be working.....
[23:40] <dorkmafia> capacity on the disk is 732.1 MB
[23:40] <dorkmafia> it should work right?
[23:40] <ProphetZarquon> And it doesn't just fail, it dumps the whole VM.  Failure is a potential test result. I want to be clear that the whole VM exits, not just a "not running" or "not installed" result.
[23:42] <ikonia> ProphetZarquon: whats your localhost host video card ?
[23:42] <ProphetZarquon> What should I try?
[23:43] <ProphetZarquon> Intel integrated video.
[23:43] <ikonia> reasonably well supported
[23:43] <ikonia> ProphetZarquon: I'm wondering if the pass through to the host hardware is failure when it hooks into the hardare module for it
[23:43] <fujin> yo if I'm using debconf-set-selections to preseed values to a package, is there anyway I can reset all of those? manpages don't make it clear.
[23:44] <bazhang> fujin, in debian?
[23:44] <fujin> what? no
[23:44] <fujin> in Ubuntu.
[23:44] <fujin> It's a debian tool, but I'm on ubuntu.
[23:44] <bazhang> fujin, you just asked in #debian , thus my query
[23:45] <fujin> right. It's a tool common to both, part of dpkg/apt.
[23:47] <ProphetZarquon> ikonia, how would I test that?
[23:47] <ikonia> it would be quite hard to test, the easier way is to try it on a different machine to find out if it's specific to that software/hardware combo
[23:47] <ProphetZarquon> Any way to check crash reports from Virtual Box?
[23:48] <mamece2> hello guys, ive erased the swap partition of my ubuntu, how can i restore it?
[23:48] <bazhang> mamece2, erased? how
[23:48] <mamece2> bazhang i went to the partition manager and just click in erase or format, i dont remember
[23:48] <ProphetZarquon> That makes perfect sense. I've been wanting to do that, but don't have another box to turn into Ubuntu right now.
[23:49] <bazhang> mamece2, gparted?
[23:49] <mamece2> now when i try to boot ubuntu 11 i cant get to the desktop, just to the cli. i tried dpkg restore packages but i need a internet conection
[23:50] <walter> hello
[23:50] <mamece2> bazhang it was something similar to gpart, i was in ubuntu 10 when i did it, im almost sure it was with gpart. why?
[23:50] <ProphetZarquon> mamace2, what about an Ubuntu Live CD? Boot to that and repartition?
[23:50] <walter> hello
[23:50] <mamece2> prophetzarquon im right now in the ubuntu live CD, how can i restore what ive done?
[23:52] <mamece2> im opening gpart and wow , i got a lot of partitions, trying to organize this is what made me erase the swap :(
[23:53] <walter> wuzzzzzzzzz  up
[23:53] <nsq> mamece2, its not bad if you erase swap, just create a new swap partition.
[23:53] <bazhang> walter, hello, ubuntu support issue?
[23:53] <walter> no uploading virus to you
[23:54] <ProphetZarquon> Oy, I hear you. I have too many physical drives and hardware & software RAID layers in my tower. Can't make sense of them all anymore.
[23:55] <negger> How do I use aptitude to install package lists from a file
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[23:55] <ProphetZarquon> The swap space should be at (or near) the end of a physical drive, only a few gigs.
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[23:55] <Duolos> I'm running Kubuntu 11.04.  I just installed the ubuntu-desktop packages.  However, when attempting to login to Gnome, I'm shown only an empty desktop.  No panels, no launchers, nothing.  The only way to get out is to restart.  Logging into it in safemode works fine, though.
[23:55] <Duolos> Unity issue?
[23:55] <Graath> ?
[23:55] <Graath>  lib/init/upstart-job is missing on my system after an apt-get upgrade, any way to restore it?
[23:56] <karmst__> Does anyone else's ubuntu go dim on a window sometimes and take forever to respond?
[23:57] <mamece2> nsq all started when i erased wicd
[23:57] <dorkmafia> has anyone else had issues when trying to boot off a usb key?
[23:57] <ProphetZarquon> Duolos perhaps transparency/ other video effects, hence it works in safe mode?
[23:58] <bazhang> dorkmafia, sure, when the key is too small, the md5 does not match, or others
[23:58] <mamece2> i have ubuntu 11 and ubuntu 10, and two swap partition, but i still cant boot ubuntu 11
[23:58] <dr_willis> dorkmafia:  nomrally if the key is made wrong, or system cant boot off usb.
[23:59] <dorkmafia> it's a 4gb usb key...
[23:59] <ProphetZarquon> Ubuntu 11 probably doesn't know which swap partition to use anymore. Can you reach safe mode or any other 11.04 recovery without the CD?
[23:59] <dorkmafia> i just downloaded the ubuntu 11.04 and followed the instrcutions
[23:59] <ikonia> ProphetZarquon: the grub menu has it
[23:59] <mamece2> prophetzarquon yes i can reach safe mode
[23:59] <bazhang> dorkmafia, did you just drag and drop the iso on it?
[23:59] <dorkmafia> no


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <dpm> welcome back dholbach!
[06:55] <dholbach> hola dpm
[06:55] <dpm> how was your holiday?
[06:56] <dholbach> very nice, very relaxed :)
[06:56] <dpm> cool :)
[06:57] <dholbach> now I need another coffee before I dive head-first into my inbox :))
[07:05] <benonsoftware> Just wondering. Has any Ubuntu members here been getting weird errors with their @ubuntu.com alias? (ie. can't get emails, bounces back to the sender)
[07:05] <elfy> not here benonsoftware
[07:06] <benonsoftware> Alright then. Thanks elfy
[07:07]  * elfy tests with a mail to benny
[07:09] <benonsoftware> Very interesting. Got the email, thanks again elfy :)
[07:09] <elfy> okey doke - welcome as always :)
[07:09] <benonsoftware> :)
[07:27] <dpm> dholbach, there are pages in LP where I can see a package's publishing history. Do you happen to know the url for those? E.g. I'm looking for the history of language-pack-touch-en
[07:28] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-touch-en/+publishinghistory
[07:28] <dholbach> from pad.lv/u/language-pack-touch-en → (i) "View full publishing history"
[07:32] <dpm> awesome, thanks dholbach
[07:39] <dholbach> anytime
[08:58] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:02] <dpm> hi czajkowski
[09:02] <czajkowski> dpm: ello how are you keeping?
[09:03] <dpm> czajkowski, life's good, busy as usual, prepping everything for next week's devices sprint in Washington. And how are you?
[09:12] <czajkowski> not bad thanks keeping busy
[10:19]  * dholbach relocates, bbiab
[16:09] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:25] <hggdh> pleia2: hi, do you have a position for the end date on nominations for the IRCC?
[18:26] <pleia2> hggdh: oof, let's just call it October 31st
[18:26] <pleia2> release time is crazy times, so that gives folks a few days after that
[18:27] <hggdh> pleia2: ack, will spread the word
[18:31] <hggdh> done
[18:31] <pleia2> thanks :) sorry for the delay
[18:31] <hggdh> heh, no probs :-)
[18:31] <pleia2> openstack release tomorrow \o/ busy times


[00:26] <Peyam> hi
[00:26] <Peyam> kubuntu and ubuntu sucks
[00:28] <szal> fine for you..  if you have grounded complaints, file bugs..  if you just want to brag, gtfo
[01:15] <szal> yofel: a word on the status of KDE 4.7.4 for Oneiric?
[01:15] <amason> szal: 4.7.4 will probably be available oneiric after the packages for precise have been made.
[01:16] <szal> amason: is that in the works atm?
[01:16] <amason> it's been in the works since shortly after 4.7.4 came out i think.
[01:17] <amason> i am unsure what exactly the blockers are or if there are any...it could just be in the build queue
[01:17] <amason> there is a decent amount of changes going on atm so that wouldn't surprise me.
[01:22] <szal> amason: I heard of a case of a garbled system w/ 4.7.4 on openSUSE the other day
[01:24] <amason> oh ok. i haven't built 4.7.4 myself yet so i can't really comment. but i know that the kubuntu devs are pretty busy at the moment so in terms of getting 4.7.4 it's probably a case of when it's ready it will be in the repos
[01:25] <szal> I suppose so, but I guess it's been at least a week already that it was released
[01:26] <szal> (#kde doesn't have that info in the topic any more)
[01:26] <amason> well if they choose 4.8 for precise then it may not hit oneric at all
[01:27] <amason> are you looking for a specific change / fix in 4.7.4 ?
[01:27] <amason> if so you can probably just build that subsystem
[01:27]  * szal was guessing the other day that they'd be going for 4.7.5 in Precise due to it being an LTS
[01:28] <szal> amason: Okular in 4.7.3 doesn't print correctly; top margin is ignored and print begins at what is set as top margin in the settings dialog
[01:28] <amason> well precise isn't going to be released till 12.04 and theoretically 4.8 will be released then
[01:28] <amason> so it really depends what the devs feel comfortable supporting for 5 years
[01:29] <amason> my guess is that if 4.8 is looking reasonable they will go for that
[01:29] <amason> given that they will get at least 3 minor updates to 4.8
[01:29] <szal> my guess was that in April we'll have 4.8.1, and that is traditionally far from bug-free
[01:30] <szal> the .1 release, that is
[01:30] <amason> yeh but that isn't necesarily better from a suppport perspecitive :)
[01:30] <szal> exactly
[01:31] <amason> so unless 4.8 is fairly broken i'll hazzard to guess a buggy but upstream supported release will be included over a less buggy / less featured / less supported release for an LTS
[01:32] <amason> 5 years is a long time and if someone can do some of that work for you it's an awefully big carrot
[01:35] <szal> ah, just found the repo; gonna update my testbed system to 4.7.4 (openSUSE 12.1) & see what it's like
[01:37] <amason> opensuse has some good rolling repos i think
[01:37] <amason> if only it didn't use YaST i'd consider it for my desktop
[01:39] <szal> amason: nothing wrong w/ YaST :)
[01:40] <amason> not saying there is anything wrong with it , it's just not my cup of tea.
[02:18] <szal> amason: http://www.abload.de/img/20111214_fullscreenx6pxb.png <- just for the lulz, KDE 4.7.4, openSUSE 12.1..  no desktop effects (legacy gfx driver makes KDE not run w/ effects on), few customizations (UI font (yes, that is Ubuntu, and I think it looks better on SUSE ;)), window title bar, clock font colour)
[02:18] <amason> nice
[02:19] <amason> i have recently obtained a sandy bridge machine with an intel graphics chip, the difference in experience is night an day
[02:19] <amason> i have other systems, ati and nvidia which theoretically are 'better' cards
[02:20] <amason> but the general desktop performance with the intel drivers is just wonderful
[02:20] <amason> completely changes how i use the desktop
[03:04] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[03:04] <kamilnadeem> how to get trash back in the places menu, dolphin? I deleted it accidentally?
[03:05] <AlexZion> right click , add ....I guess ...
[03:05] <AlexZion> and then ....
[03:06] <AlexZion> just put trash:/    it should works ...
[03:23] <kamilnadeem> AlexZion: I did that but trash is giving me problems
[03:23] <kamilnadeem> I am unable to move files to trash
[03:24] <kamilnadeem> this error comes up "The trash has reached its maximum size!
[03:24] <kamilnadeem> Cleanup the trash manually."
[03:24] <kamilnadeem> I deleted the files manually
[03:24] <kamilnadeem> but still no luck
[03:24] <AlexZion> yeah , so probably you have to much stuff in the trash
[03:25] <kamilnadeem> also the permissions is acting strange
[03:25] <kamilnadeem> http://i.imgur.com/d53Hb.jpg
[03:26] <AlexZion> ok , you were doing something strange before it happened ..... ?
[03:27] <kamilnadeem> nothing that i remember
[03:28] <AlexZion> well , mine is the same ...
[03:28] <AlexZion> so nothing strange for me ...
[03:31] <kamilnadeem> brb
[03:38] <kamilnadeem>  Option 1 from here http://unsolicitedbutoffered.blogspot.com/2011/07/trash-has-reached-its-maximum-size.html worked
[03:39] <snowrichard> hi
[03:45] <amason> szal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[03:46] <amason> 4.8 for precise, oneiric wil get get 4.7.4 after that has been packaged by the looks of it
[03:47] <OerHeks> just got 4.7.4 tru kubuntu/ppa
[03:47] <szal> nice :)
[04:01] <robin0800> OerHeks: is that the 4.7.3 ppa or a different one?
[04:05] <OerHeks> robin0800, i used this one > https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[04:05] <OerHeks> i never noticed a version in the name.
[04:49] <snowrichard> hello
[04:50] <snowrichard> i switched from the unity interface to kubuntu.... when I tried to use the alt-F7 key in unity it scrambled the graphic
[05:35] <chris122380> why dosen't ubuntu or Kubuntu connect to wpa2?
[05:36] <chris122380> My wireless works fine with wpa, wep, and unsecured networks but not with wpa2
[05:37] <chris122380> I would like to connect to a WPA2 network
[05:38] <chris122380> I have googled it and I am still looking
[05:40] <OerHeks> chris122380, try WPA2 personal in your networkmanager
[05:40] <grade> hi guys! would like to ask my problem regarding usb drive mounting, it doesnt mount automatically when I insert it on usb port
[05:40] <chris122380> I have
[05:41] <chris122380> still dosen't seem to recegnize the key even though i know it's right
[05:42] <chris122380> Looks like a problem for a long time
[05:43] <OerHeks> chris122380, check you router, see if you have mac-filter/acces-list enabled, depends of the type/brand router
[05:43] <chris122380> I am on the Mac filter list
[05:44] <chris122380> I can connect with the same machine useing windows 7
[05:44] <OerHeks> oke, then i have no clue
[05:44] <chris122380> I am trying to use Kubuntu
[05:48] <Guest64093> hi. i liked the mandriva representation of kde. the dash and all. can i do the same in kubuntu? how? help please
[05:49] <chris122380> I am also useing the broadcom legacy driver
[05:50] <amason> Guest64093: you might need to describe how it worked
[05:50] <chris122380> used to be able to connect on ubuntu but can't on kubuntu
[05:51] <amason> Guest64093: alot of people in this channel probably have never used mandriva , myself included
[05:51] <Guest64093> amason: like there is dash interface in gnome3. the same dash interface in kde
[05:51] <amason> i also haven't used gnome3 sorry
[05:51] <Guest64093> ok
[05:51] <Guest64093> nvm
[05:51] <amason> do you have a screenshot ?
[05:51] <Guest64093> sure. juist a min
[05:52] <chris122380> so no wpa2 for me then:-(
[05:52] <chris122380> Can't connect to my HOAs network then
[05:53] <amason> chris122380: ubuntu and kubuntu both use the same kernel
[05:53] <chris122380> I know that
[05:53] <cyberworm54> holla kubuntu community
[05:53] <chris122380> the problem isn't the kernel
[05:53] <amason> can you use nm-applet then ?
[05:53] <chris122380> problem with network manager I believe
[05:54] <amason> k well the only difference between kubuntu / ubuntu wrt to network-manager is the network manager interfaces
[05:54] <amason> so i'd try nm-applet and see if that works
[05:54] <chris122380> nm-applet?
[05:55] <Guest64093> amason: http://imagebin.org/188479 this comes up when we press alt f1
[05:55] <cyberworm54> try to modify the file manually
[05:55] <chris122380> that is the gnome network manager
[05:55] <amason> chris122380: the gnome network manager interface
[05:55] <amason> yeh
[05:55] <chris122380> that would break KDE
[05:55] <amason> break ?
[05:55] <amason> how so ?
[05:56] <chris122380> I just want to have KDE working
[05:56] <cyberworm54> whats the problem? if you dont mind me asking
[05:57] <amason> chris122380: well obviously it doesn't for your particular setup for one reason or another, it could be a bug in kde's network manager in which case your not going to find an immediate answer in irc.
[05:57] <chris122380> How do I get the latest KDE network manager
[05:58] <amason> use the latest version of kde 4.7.4
[05:58] <chris122380> How do I get the network manager for kde 4.7.4?
[05:58] <amason> Guest64093: you could try the plasma layout...right click -> layout -> search and launch
[05:59] <amason> chris122380: it comes with kde 4.7.4
[05:59] <chris122380> that still dosen't tell me anything
[05:59] <chris122380> How do I re-install network manager?
[06:00] <amason> network manager != kde's network manager interface. if ubuntu works for you but kubuntu doesn't then the problem is in the kde interface to network manager
[06:01] <chris122380> I understand that but how do I do a reinstall of network manager?
[06:01] <amason> if you use the kubuntu ppa and install kde 4.7.4 you get _the_ lastest released version of kde's interface to network manager
[06:01] <amason> latest*
[06:01] <amason> apt-get install --reinstall
[06:01] <amason> i think
[06:02] <amason> might need to look at the exact flags
[06:02] <chris122380> yes but what is the package name for the kde network manager?
[06:02] <cyberworm54> network-manager-gnome
[06:03] <amason> network-manager-kde is kubuntu's
[06:03] <cyberworm54> network-manager-kde
[06:04] <chris122380> need to reboot thank you. We shell see if this works if not then i'll look for kubuntu ppa
[06:09] <szal> 4.7.4 is noticeably speedier than 4.7.3
[06:14] <szal> PDF printing w/ Okular is fixed :)
[06:18] <szal> though tray notification 'speech bubbles' still have a border where there shouldn't be one
[07:23] <bodoh> who hates amarok?
[07:23] <bodoh> and what do you use now?
[07:24] <cyberworm54> audacius
[07:24] <cyberworm54> *audacious
[07:25] <szal> Audacious on *buntu is ancient
[07:25] <cyberworm54> it does the job for me :)
[07:25] <szal> not bad, but severely outdated
[07:37] <jussi> bodoh: I like amarok. but if you want similar to old amarok, check out clementine:
[07:38] <jussi> !info clementine
[08:10] <bodoh> hi list ... what is the default webcam app that comes with kubuntu?
[08:11] <bodoh> my laptop has the webcam
[08:13] <cyberworm54> I use camorama
[08:24] <bodoh> thanks cyberworm54
[08:25] <bodoh> since when linux needs restarting (like Windows)???
[08:25] <bodoh> this kubuntu wants a restart after I installed camorama!!
[08:26] <bodoh> that gesture is maybe just a salute to Windows
[08:28] <EvilResistance> probly also needed a kernel upgrade :P
[08:29] <jjman6> i'm having problems installing .Net Framework v4 in wine.  it just crashes b4 it can finish
[08:29] <cyberworm54> I am nost sure but i think .Net depends on some core dlls like shell 32 crypto 32
[08:37] <EvilResistance> jjman6:  thats a wine issue
[08:37] <EvilResistance> jjman6:  i'd check in the wine support channels
[08:38] <EvilResistance> i'm not sure if they're here on freenode though
[08:38] <jjman6> sigh
[08:38] <cyberworm54> chek that out http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=17886
[09:42] <gribouille> kde 4.7.4 is available isn' it?
[09:44] <gribouille> someone here?
[09:46] <gribouille> someone here?
[10:11] <darthanubis> 4.7.4 is in the kubuntu ppa repo for 11.10<< Should be on the KUBUNTU homepage soon, and NOT DEBIAN's of course.
[10:17] <KjetilK> I get Internal Server Errors on the Kubuntu wiki now
[10:17] <KjetilK> e.g. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot
[10:21] <KjetilK> since I can't check the FAQ, I'll just ask: What is the status for 4.7.3 or 4.7.4 packages?
[10:21] <KjetilK> will they enter oneiric-updates?
[10:27] <grade_> is there a way that i could automatically mount may usb drive when I insert it
[10:28] <grade_> im using 11.10
[10:28] <ray1claw> whats the name of the telepathy IM client on kubuntu? I need to install it, really fed up with Kopete
[10:29] <ray1claw> grade_: system settings>removable devices
[10:45] <gorgonizer> ray1claw: it is telepathy-kde
[10:46] <ray1claw> gorgonizer: is it a complete client? or just a backend?
[10:46] <gorgonizer> though you might need the PPA at    ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa
[10:47] <gorgonizer> it is a complete replacement for Kopete on the whole, though I am having FB Chat issues with Telepathy, but MSN and GTalk work fine..
[10:48] <gorgonizer> The PPA has the KDE specific parts for Telepathy, the rest of telepathy should be in the normal Ubuntu repos..
[10:48] <ray1claw> hmm, you can try using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on jabber with that.. it works okay in kopete
[10:48] <jtheuer> hey, how can I verify the actual graphics driver used by X? (now that we don't have a config anymore *g*)
[10:49] <gorgonizer> ray1claw: it connects in Telepathy, then just disconnects after a while, which then needs me to enter my KWallet password and I get annoyed, so I disabled FB chat in Telepathy and just have it in Kopete until I get it working..
[10:53] <ray1claw> :)
[11:01] <grade_> thanks ray1claw
[11:25] <grade> hi ray1claw.! already check the the usb devices on removable devices but still it cant mount automatically the usbdev
[12:15] <twn39> it seems that ibus doesn't work on kubuntu 11.10?!
[12:40] <Peace-> twn39: ?
[12:40] <Peace-> why
[12:49] <twn39> i don't know,it didn't display the input panel when I type in chinese.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:54] <Peace-> twn39: mmm what kind of software you are using
[12:56] <twn39> ?  ibus-pinyin
[12:57] <Peace-> twn39: i am sorry but being italian i can't figure out the issue because i can't even image what's the issue with chinese\japanese stuff, coudl you explain better what you r trying to do ?
[12:58] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have written well?
[12:58] <Peace-> have i xD
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yes , very well
[13:01] <Peace-> :)
[13:03] <twn39> i'm sorry ,i'm a chinese and know little english,i must type chinese words with ibus,but it seems doesn't work
[13:04] <BluesKaj> one thing Peace- , image works, but the word imagine works better:)
[13:06] <BarkingFish> twn39: which dialect of Chinese do you write in? Mandarin, or Cantonese?
[13:08] <twn39> Mandarin
[13:08] <BarkingFish> I write some chinese, but I'm not good.  If you don't understand what I say, please tell me :)
[13:10]  * BarkingFish will be with you in a moment, this is slow :)
[13:10] <BarkingFish> 您在中國本地化您的系統，並選擇一個中文鍵盤嗎？
[13:11] <Peace-> twn39: i dunno but try to do this ; open KONSOLE  then type thsi :  QT_IM_MODULE=ibus-qt4 kate
[13:11] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, it would be best if you guys went private or got help from the chinese chat
[13:12] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: ubuntu-zh has only two people in it
[13:12] <BarkingFish> there is no help from there, I'd say :)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> !cn
[13:12] <BarkingFish> ah
[13:13] <BarkingFish> I simply wanted to know if twn39 understand me first, my chinese is appalling, i've only been learning for about 6 months.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> right, well he wants help with ibus
[13:14] <Peace-> i guess he has to install  sudo apt-get install ibus-qt4
[13:14] <twn39> yes i can understand
[13:14] <BarkingFish> Yeah, I saw - I asked him if he'd actually localized his system in Chinese, and selected a chinese keyboard :)
[13:15] <BarkingFish> usually, it sorta self configures any packages you need when you change locale...
[13:16] <twn39> i selected a usa keyboard ,Does it matter?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> bbl..I hope...major update/upgrade on 12.04 just now ..reboot
[13:17] <twn39> ok thank you
[13:18] <BarkingFish> twn39: if you have a chinese keyboard, it helps.
[13:19] <BarkingFish> 現在我必須去。您可以加入 的 #ubuntu-cn 或 #ubuntu-tw - 他們會幫你多我可以
[13:19] <BarkingFish> Sorry guys, I've got to go.
[13:20] <BarkingFish> I've been called away, so I've explained that, and directed twn39 to relevant channels he can get help from.
[13:20] <BarkingFish> Sorry for the chinese in channel, I was using the wrong language codes to search for somewhere :)
[13:21] <BarkingFish> 再見了，twn39 - 我希望你好運！
[13:22] <twn39> bye
[13:24] <Deathbringer> hey
[13:25] <Deathbringer> there is no back arrow now at the kde kickoff menu. how can i fix that?
[13:26] <Peace-> Deathbringer: you can't
[13:27] <Deathbringer> Peace-, is this a bug or intentional?
[13:28] <Peace-> Deathbringer: intentional
[13:28] <Peace-> Deathbringer: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopxi1883
[13:28] <Peace-> Deathbringer: if you look there is graphics up
[13:28] <Peace-> click in application and you will go back
[13:29] <Deathbringer> Peace-, yeah i know
[13:29] <Deathbringer> but it isnt so handy
[13:29] <Peace-> Deathbringer: wel i agrre with oyu :D
[13:29] <Peace-> agree
[13:29] <Peace-> mmm you
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Deathbringer, click on all applications , at the top of the frame
[13:29] <Deathbringer> Peace-, at this point i prefer the classic menu
[13:30] <Deathbringer> Peace-, do you know how can i install the lancelot menu?
[13:30] <Peace-> Deathbringer: of course
[13:30] <Deathbringer> i cant find it in widgets
[13:30] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-lancelot
[13:31]  * BluesKaj wishes ppl would leave their gamenicks behind
[13:31] <Peace-> i did this :D sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-*
[13:31] <Peace-> xD
[13:31] <Deathbringer> i will do that too
[13:31] <Deathbringer> i like widgets
[13:32] <Deathbringer> 154mb to get
[13:34] <Peace-> who cares :D i have 130 ggs
[13:35] <Deathbringer> Peace-, how can i stop kde-login from autostarting?
[13:36] <Peace-> Deathbringer: systemsettings
[13:37] <Deathbringer> i think i will move to a tiling manager like xmonad
[13:37] <Deathbringer> and just use qt-based apps of kde in there
[13:37] <Peace-> Deathbringer: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopdk1883
[13:38] <Deathbringer> i saw that before
[13:38] <Peace-> system settings , then filter with :: login
[13:40] <Deathbringer> Peace-, it doesnt say how to disable it
[13:40] <Deathbringer> under login screen
[13:40] <Peace-> enagle autologin
[13:40] <Peace-> enable
[13:40] <Deathbringer> no i mean stop kdm
[13:40] <Deathbringer> i want just to see tty1
[13:40] <Deathbringer> after boot
[13:40] <Deathbringer> and type startx
[13:40] <Peace-> mm
[13:41] <Peace-> i guess removing kdm i would be nice but i guess you canset that on kdm window
[13:41] <Deathbringer> is it an init script?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Deathbringer, just click on the enable autologin and it will grey out (disable)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> make sure it's not checked
[13:41] <Deathbringer> BluesKaj, its nto enabled now
[13:41] <Deathbringer> its not checked
[13:41] <Deathbringer> but i still get kdm on boot
[13:41] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Deathbringer, what exactly do you want , grub?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> if you enable autologin it by passes grub and the login page
[13:43] <Peace-> BluesKaj: he want login via terminal
[13:43] <Peace-> BluesKaj: boot ==> login via terminal i have seen this on university
[13:43] <Peace-> i guess they have removed kdm
[13:44] <BluesKaj> I think that's a setting in grub
[13:44] <BluesKaj>  /etc/default/grub
[13:47] <BluesKaj> in /etc/default/grub , find the line
[13:47] <BluesKaj> # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> #GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[13:47] <BluesKaj> uncomment those lines
[13:48] <yofel_> uhm, to NOT start kdm, you run: 'echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/kdm.override'
[13:48] <yofel> then when you need it: sudo service kdm start
[13:49] <yofel> Deathbringer: ^
[13:49] <BluesKaj> well , not the Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> and sudo updaye-grub
[13:49] <BluesKaj> err update-grub
[13:49] <Deathbringer> yofel, yeah i wanted to stop the service
[13:51] <Deathbringer> yofel, i am not sure what your command does though
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Deathbringer, sudo update-grub is very important , otherwise your changes won't stick
[13:51] <yofel> Deathbringer: creates a /etc/init/kdm.override with "manual" in it
[13:51] <yofel> which tells upstart not to auto-start kdm on boot
[13:52] <Deathbringer> yofel, i could just "  echo manual >> /etc/init/kdm.override " then
[13:52] <Deathbringer> or >
[13:52] <yofel> as root sure
[13:52] <Deathbringer> to overwrite
[13:52] <yofel> right
[13:53] <Deathbringer> bash is a nice language
[13:53] <Deathbringer> i wonder why many people use perl/python for system tasks
[13:53]  * BluesKaj doen't understand the reasons for this , kdm will eventaully be needed anyway
[13:54] <Deathbringer> how can i install all ubuntu packages?
[13:54] <Deathbringer> like if i had installed ubuntu livecd
[13:55] <Deathbringer> not kubuntu
[13:55] <Deathbringer> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> default packages , ubuntu-desltop
[13:56] <BluesKaj> desktop
[13:56] <Deathbringer> then it will be same thing as ubuntu?
[13:56] <Deathbringer> kubuntu and ubuntu have the same repositories also?
[13:56] <yofel> same archive
[13:56] <Deathbringer> what do you mean by archive?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> you'll still ahve the kubuntu packages
[13:56] <Deathbringer> BluesKaj, yeah i know
[13:57] <Deathbringer> i can choose kde or gnome on boot
[13:57] <yofel> well, repository
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Deathbringer, you'll have alot of duplication of apps in both kde and gnome that do the same tasks
[13:58] <Deathbringer> BluesKaj, yeah
[13:59] <Deathbringer> well instead of dual booting ubuntu and kubuntu i think its better to have both
[13:59] <Deathbringer> i want to try gnome shell (gnome 3)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> yes, agreed
[13:59] <Deathbringer> generally i try many environments
[15:09] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBevboa6RII&feature=youtu.be
[15:29] <kupholder> ello
[17:39] <cire> hi, I am using kmail 4.7.2, and can't connect to my imap server anymore. akonadi states everything was fine, but kmail can't update the folder
[17:39] <[Relic]> how do I get flash to work on kubuntu
[17:42] <DemonWitch> hey
[17:42] <cire> [Relic]: I have installed  packet flashplugin-installer
[17:43] <DemonWitch> how do i deactivate the kubuntu loading screen? (on boot and shutdown)
[17:43] <[Relic]> it won't install
[17:44] <cire> [Relic]: what does it say?
[17:44] <cire> DemonWitch: which version?
[17:44] <DemonWitch> cire, the latest
[17:45] <cire> I think you have to change the kernel boot params
[17:45] <cire> used to that?
[17:45] <[Relic]> (npviewer.bin:7083): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtcurve.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[17:45] <cire> [Relic]: this happens when installing a package?
[17:46] <cire> or only when installing flash package?
[17:46] <[Relic]> thinking mone part got installed and the other didn't
[17:46] <[Relic]> this is flash; they renamed the packages when they moved to the new version
[17:47] <cire> [Relic]: So it _did_ install, but is not running correctly, right?
[17:47] <[Relic]> this time
[17:48] <[Relic]> removed both listed pakages through apt so hopefully a new install will work
[17:48] <cire> ok
[17:48] <[Relic]> now it is back to not working and wrong elf class
[17:49] <cire> [Relic]: did you change somehow from 32 to 64 bit?
[17:49] <cire> all I find concerning you topic seems to be platform related
[17:50] <[Relic]> been 64 all the time
[17:50] <[Relic]> got them both removed from apt-get, now will try apper to install but not sure if I select one or both
[17:51] <cire> what do you mean by "both"?
[17:51] <cire> what are they called?
[17:53] <[Relic]> flashplugin-downloader and flashplugin-installer
[17:53] <cire> -downloader is uninstalled here. -installer works fine.
[17:53] <cire> I think you're right, this was the old version
[17:53] <[Relic]> they both say the same thing
[17:54] <cire> weird, apt-cache show tells me -installer depends on -downloader
[17:54] <cire> I have only installer
[17:54] <[Relic]> won't work
[17:55] <[Relic]> installer wants to use downloader and the say it can't configure it
[17:55] <cire> [Relic]: did you try installing it via console?
[17:55] <cire> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:55] <cire> so you get the apt output
[17:56] <[Relic]> tried removing one via apt and the other one then installs
[17:57] <cire> I just don't get it... dpkg -l *flash* tells me -downloader is uninstalled, trying to install it manually gets me "is latest version"
[17:57] <cire> what the hell...
[17:57] <[Relic]> welcome to my problem
[17:58] <[Relic]> wonder if flash aid was brought up to normal
[17:58] <cire> I was using debian for years and switched to (k)ubuntu a few days ago. So either this is (k)ubuntu related, or just rubbish
[17:59] <cire> okay, apt-get policy tells me -downloader is installed
[17:59] <BarkingFish> Guys, just wondering if you could help me - I want to burn a set of AVI's to a DVD, so that when you open the DVD, you get a menu, thumbnails of the episodes, etc - is there any good software for making video DVDs which don't require you to have Video_RM and Video_TS files?
[18:00] <cire> BarkingFish: these menus and stuff are part of the video DVD spec as I remember, and so are VIDEO_TS and stuff. You can't use one without the other, Iimho
[18:01] <cire> but perhaps an expert will tell sth other
[18:01] <BarkingFish> hm. And all I have are AVIs. I've never made a Video DVD before, much less tried to figure out what goes where...
[18:02] <cire> BarkingFish: I did never do that, but there should be tools converting your avis to mpeg2 (VIDEO_TS format) and adding menus.
[18:02] <cire> but expect them to get larger than the avis
[18:03] <[Relic]> k3b has a new video CD/DVD options; not sure if that handles that automatically or not since I have never used it
[18:03] <cire> this VIDEO_TS stuff is made for running in hardware decoders as DVD players, so it may not be that efficient in encoding
[18:04] <BarkingFish> cire: yeah, which won't help.  I have a 52 episode series to put on dvd, at roughly 176MB per episode
[18:04] <BarkingFish> if I convert those to mpeg2ts, they'll be freaking huge :(
[18:05] <cire> BarkingFish: so get rid of those menu stuff ;)
[18:05] <cire> BarkingFish: where is it supposed to run?
[18:05] <cire> hardware dvd players, or just computers?
[18:05] <BarkingFish> cire: I wanted to do the menu, so I could make it look a little more...professional.. I'm learning new things, and can't "not" do them, just because it's complicated :)
[18:06] <BarkingFish> hardware dvd player
[18:06] <BarkingFish> I want something I can take out of my machine and watch in bed of a night, or when I'm relaxing.
[18:06] <cire> BarkingFish: so you're lost. imho it is not complicated, it is useless. You can either make a proper video DVD and following the specs, or ignore them and let the menus go
[18:07] <BarkingFish> I'll flip open kdenlive and see how big an mpeg2 transport stream comes out at.
[18:08] <cire> BarkingFish: I don't think you will succeed in putting all the episodes on one disk with mpeg2
[18:08] <cire> but yeah, give it a try
[18:08] <cire> and tell me how big it was, never tried it :)
[18:08] <BarkingFish> Maybe not on one disk, I can break it down into two or three maybe, depends how big the files come out at
[18:09] <BarkingFish> well I'll soon see, I'm sucking the first episode into kdenlive now...
[18:09] <cire> BarkingFish: Why are you using kdenlive for that?!
[18:09] <BarkingFish> because it's all I have, and all I know how to use.
[18:10] <cire> thats a powerful non linear video editing system. You just need a file conversion tool, right?
[18:10] <BarkingFish> Why do you think I was asking for help with other video editors??? :)
[18:10] <cire> I would do it in the commandline, but there are tons of frontends for these commandline converters
[18:10] <cire> wait
[18:10] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:11] <cire> BarkingFish: give avidemux a try
[18:12] <BarkingFish> i have no idea how to use it, but anything's worth a shot
[18:13] <BarkingFish> Holy grud on a green stick.
[18:13] <cire> BarkingFish: it is very straightforward
[18:13] <BarkingFish> 1 avi file, 176mb  -  sent out to .mpg at a reasonable video rate, resized and deinterlace...
[18:14] <BarkingFish> 380.46MB, estimated render time: 05:42:11
[18:15] <cire> yeah
[18:15] <BarkingFish> I'm like, what the ....
[18:15] <cire> but you also have to take care of the audio stream
[18:15] <cire> hardware dvd players don't play mp3 afaik
[18:15] <cire> but I am no expert for this
[18:16] <[Relic]> this is getting annoying
[18:16] <BarkingFish> [Relic]: what is getting annoying?
[18:17] <[Relic]> not getting flash running
[19:18] <DemonWitch> hey
[19:19] <DemonWitch> how can i disable kdm? after boot just get a console login
[19:24] <Peace-> DemonWitch: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/07/24/tip-disable-gdm-kdm-or-xdm-from-starting-up-automatically/
[19:27] <cyberworm54> jsut change the rinleverl to 3
[19:27] <cyberworm54> *just change the runlevel to 3
[19:27] <cyberworm54> in the inittab file
[19:27] <cyberworm54> and reboot
[19:27] <cyberworm54> :)
[19:28] <Pici> !inittab | cyberworm54
[19:28] <Pici> !text | DemonWitch
[19:28] <DemonWitch> Pici, i tried it didnt work
[19:28] <Pici> Really?
[19:28] <Pici> hm
[19:28] <DemonWitch> yes i will now stop the service kdm running
[19:28] <DemonWitch> using update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[19:28] <DemonWitch> or kdm
[21:06] <Darak> Bonsoir
[21:08] <rork> !fr | Darak
[21:09] <Darak> Good evening
[21:12] <rork> Good evening Darak
[21:13] <Darak> Hello, I'm new here
[21:17] <rork> So I thought, do you need help with any problems or are you just checking out this IRC thingy?
[21:17] <Darak> a little bit both I think ^^'
[21:18] <rork> :)
[21:18] <Darak> ( I'm french, sorry if I made somes mistakes )
[21:19] <rork> Well, this is a help channel so if you have any questions you can just ask them. For chat there are the offtopic channels like #kubuntu-offtopic but that one isn't realy active either
[21:20] <rork> Don't worry about your english, it seems fine and there are many non-native english speakers here
[21:21] <Darak> Ok thanks, I were on Windows and recently install Ubuntu. And I've got some strange bug ^^
[21:21] <Darak> Ok, are you english ?
[21:22] <rork> if you feel more comfortable speaking your own language you can  join the french channels too
[21:22] <rork> I'm dutch
[21:22] <cyberworm54> whats your issue Darak?
[21:23] <Darak> rork: Nice ^^ No it's ok I like to speak in english too.
[21:24] <Darak> cyberworm54: Hi, I don't want to do it now, it's not  urgent yet :)
[21:25] <Darak> But for examples: when I boot, my pc shutdown automatically. And sometimes it works.
[22:22] <jbwiv> guys, I was listening to amarok earlier. However, it froze, I killed it. Now, upon restarting, even though it seems to be playing mp3s there is no sound. I have sound from other applications like firefox. I've checked for hung amarok process and don't see any. any ideas on how to fix without a reboot?
[22:28] <BluesKaj> jbwiv, try starting amarok from the terminal and pastebin the output
[22:34] <jbwiv> BluesKaj, actually, now all sound has stopped :-/ does kde on ubuntu use pulseaudio? is restarting it as simple as killing the daemon?
[22:36] <BluesKaj> jbwiv, ok run pulseaudio in the cli or krunner (alt+f2)'
[22:37] <BluesKaj> jbwiv, yes pulseaudio is installed by default
[23:26] <andres__> how could I create a password in a ZIP file using KDE Dolphin?
[23:27] <Ddpbf> right click onf file or folder
[23:27] <Ddpbf> and select option compress
[23:30] <andres__> ok...but if I need to set a password?


[13:32] <bilalakhtar> Does anyone over here have an idea where ben is?
[13:32] <bilalakhtar> Or if he is involved with the project any more?
[13:32] <bilalakhtar> (of course he is)
[13:34] <dutchie> asleep, i think
[13:34] <dutchie> he's UTC+13
[13:34] <dutchie> or 12
[13:42] <thorwil> bilalakhtar: i think this project is still looking for a release manager, as it looks like Ben will only have enough time each second cycle, due to studying (and nobody knows if he's too optimistic in his projection, there, yet)
[13:43] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[13:48] <nisshh> bilalakhtar, yes, bens asleep, he is UTC + 12 (4 hours ahead of me) and its 9pm here as it is
[13:49] <bilalakhtar> hello there Ryan Mac nisshh ! thanks..
[13:49] <nisshh> hehe :)
[13:49] <nisshh> bilalakhtar, from now on your Mr MOTU :)
[13:57] <vish> nisshh: do you know bilalakhtar is the youngest motu *ever* ;)
[13:57] <vish> ?
[13:57] <nisshh> vish, yes, i know :)
[13:57] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[13:57] <vish> :)
[13:57] <bilalakhtar> but guys, jpds is older than me by just a few months|!
[13:58] <vish> waaaaaa?
[13:58] <bilalakhtar> so I narrowly came in
[13:58] <bilalakhtar> yup
[13:58] <vish> jpds is 14 too!!!!!!!!
[13:58] <bilalakhtar> jpds joined when he was 14 and 9 months
[13:58] <nisshh> oh wow
[13:58] <vish> gah.. i feel very old now!
[13:58] <bilalakhtar> I joined on 14 and 3 months
[13:59]  * vish wonders if this is a good time to pick on older folk like pope-y and be happy ;p
[13:59] <nisshh> vish, from the sound of it, your in your 20's?
[13:59] <vish> heh.. i wish!
[14:00] <bilalakhtar> popey: ping from vish :D
[14:00] <nisshh> early 30's?
[14:00] <vish> well, my late 20's
[14:00] <nisshh> lol
[14:00] <nisshh> vish, haha! im younger than you!
[14:00] <vish> damn it!
[14:00] <vish> nisshh: phew! thanks :)
[14:00]  * bilalakhtar would like to stop the age talk, he makes people embarass
[14:00] <bilalakhtar> sorry for the spelling
[14:00] <nisshh> hehe
[14:02]  * dutchie is the youngest
[14:02] <dutchie> UMP regular
[14:02] <popey> bilalakhtar: hmm?
[14:02] <dutchie> 13:59:19  * vish wonders if this is a good time to pick on older folk like pope-y and be happy ;p
[14:02]  * popey pokes you all with his walking stick
[14:02]  * popey goes back to sleep
[14:02] <vish> lol!
[14:15]  * popey tickles aquarius
[14:15]  * bilalakhtar notices popey is awake
[14:15]  * aquarius is tickled
[14:16] <popey> \p/
[14:16] <vish> Etickle !
[14:16]  * bilalakhtar calls popey as 'poppy' which actually means _________
[14:19] <popey> I have been called worse
[15:05] <jenkins> godbyk: ping
[16:51] <godbyk> jenkins: pong
[16:52] <jenkins> hey godbyk, did you see the last e-mail that was sent about ccicons on the tex mailing list?
[16:52] <jenkins> I am thinking of putting a ccicons package in as they will not be doing 2010 untill squeeze is over. (which has no release date)
[16:52] <godbyk> This one?
[16:52] <godbyk> This heavily depends on how much time we can invest. We won't do
[16:52] <godbyk> anything before release of squeeze and after that -- I can't tell. If
[16:52] <godbyk> you need it faster you can provide them as separate package, but
[16:52] <godbyk> please inform us about that so we can remove these fonst from the TL
[16:52] <godbyk> packages. The package tex-common should contain some guidelines about
[16:52] <godbyk> package TeX related software.
[16:53] <godbyk> EOM
[16:53] <jenkins> yep
[16:53] <godbyk> I saw they were waiting on squeeze.  But there's no release date for squeeze?
[16:53] <jenkins> yep thats what I thought, so i think ccicons package it is
[16:54] <godbyk> Is it possible to bypass Debian in the process then and just get our own texlive packages in Ubuntu directly?
[16:55] <jenkins> I am not sure, how much adjustment needs to be done to the texlive 2009 pacakge system. Its complex to package. Also I think that would be treading on a lot of toes. and cause issues on the next debian import
[16:55] <godbyk> Is there a way we can help the Debian folks with the 2010 packages and get them in Ubuntu immediately, rather than wait on squeeze?
[16:56] <jenkins> I can ask that on the mailing list and see. tbh it would be a steep learning curve
[16:57] <jenkins> we can try
[16:57] <godbyk> I don't know. But waiting an indefinite period of time for TL2010 to be packaged isn't terribly helpful.
[16:57] <jenkins> yep i agree
[16:58] <jenkins> I will send that tonight when i get back in
[16:59] <jenkins> talk later
[16:59] <jenkins> bye
[16:59] <godbyk> 'kay. see ya, jenkins


[04:26] <Takyoji> World IPv6 Day is in less than 2 months.
[04:27] <Takyoji> Would be nice for everyone to spread IPv6 support like a plague (such as even with tunnels, even perhaps Teredo as a last-resort)
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> Theoretically my Linode is IPv6 capable now.
[04:56] <Takyoji> Hurricane Electric tunnel at the moment?
[04:57] <Takyoji> Otherwise I have my webserver completely IPv6-accessible, and even my whole home network
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> yup
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> I haven't set up Apache to properly respond to it yet though.
[08:56] <fisch246> alright i'm back
[08:58] <fisch246> i'll be in both LUGs :P
[08:59] <fisch246> cause so far you guys have been nice :P


[00:32] <jrwren> https://pop.system76.com  interesting to see the marketing diverge from ubuntu, even though it is still ubuntu based.
[00:32] <jrwren> "Pop!_OS uses APT and Flatpak package management"
[00:32] <jrwren> system76 knows about the snap/snappy lie
[02:14] <llua> what lie?
[02:36] <jrwren> that it is a good thing. ;)
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> I have not yet used snaps. is it the default installation mechanism on ubuntu these days?
[12:58] <cmaloney> It's what they are convincing commercial folks to use for their software
[12:58] <cmaloney> For other software it depends on the group and whether Canonical has other things for their GSoC folks
[12:59] <cmaloney> I think one of them was "snapping" tootstream at one point, but like most things once the GSoC stopped then the person disappeared and it hasn't been updated since
[13:00] <cmaloney> At least I haven't touched it, and I have no desire to touch it
[14:38] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: chromium in 20.04 is a snap. so if you install 20.04 you are using snaps for at least that one thing.
[14:39] <mrgoodcat> I'm only using ubuntu on the server these days
[14:39] <jrwren> same.
[14:39] <jrwren> but no, it isn't the default for everything. It is still debian based and apt.
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> i'm not really even all that familiar with snap as a concept
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> never really paid that much attention to it
[15:27] <jrwren> its a terrible system that does solve some problems that you probably don't have.
[15:27] <jrwren> the terrible part is: no source packages, so building a package yourself isn't reproducable or even possible sometimes.
[15:28] <jrwren> server push: your system is always talking about to the snappy server and you ahve zero control of when updates get to you or if you even want them.
[15:30] <jrwren> i mean... if you control the box, you could make an iptables rule blocking the communication... but if you have 2 snaps installed and only want ot upgrade one, there is no way. You are not in control.
[15:36] <cmaloney> That's the main thing that I really don't like about snaps
[15:37] <cmaloney> And that's before we get to the "what happens when the community gets bored" aspects
[18:04] <mrgoodcat> super weird that you can't toggle automatic updating per-snap
[18:04] <mrgoodcat> is that an intentional design decision or just a missing feature?
[18:05] <mrgoodcat> i'm sure from the standpoint of someone writing software that they want to package for linux, it is probably great
[18:06] <mrgoodcat> as an open source maintainer myself, I can see some value in "guaranteeing" that all users are on the latest version. since i write a library not an application, auto-updating couldn't work for me though
[18:07] <mrgoodcat> when you say no source packages, I assume you mean there's no equivalent of `apt source <package>`
[18:07] <cmaloney> correct
[18:07] <mrgoodcat> can't remember the last time i used that feature in apt (not implying it's without value, just that I don't use it)
[18:08] <cmaloney> Let me paint a hypothetical: how do you handle beta releases with snaps? :)
[18:08] <cmaloney> or backward-incompatible changes
[18:08] <mrgoodcat> backwards-incompatible changes seems like a bigger deal than beta to me
[18:08] <mrgoodcat> for beta, you can easily just have a second snap for your beta channel
[18:09] <mrgoodcat> obviously that isn't without problems, but it's doable
[18:12] <jrwren> yeah, they have beta channels and you can bounce between versions.
[18:12] <jrwren> but you still have no control over which version is in that channel.
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> one snap can have multiple channels?
[18:12] <jrwren> no.
[18:13] <jrwren> it is a different snap.
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> bummer
[18:13] <mrgoodcat> not that surprising though
[18:13] <jrwren> but with the same name.
[18:13] <jrwren> snap install --beta myapp # gets a diff version
[18:13] <jrwren> so you can't have the beta and non-beta installed concurerntly? apparently? I dunno.
[18:14] <jrwren> which is weird, because they way they are packaged and installed there isn't much of a tech reason you could have both installed.
[18:14] <mrgoodcat> just installed the go snap to see what all this is about
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> looks like it has channels built in
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> stable/beta/edge for each 1.x version
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> plus an overall stable/beta/edge version
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> oh and candidate
[18:16] <mrgoodcat> so it looks like you can't prevent bugfix updates, which _shouldn't_ introduce backwards breaking changes, but we all know that's a lie a lot of the time
[18:16] <jrwren> its not a bad system if tehre were just a few changes.
[18:16] <jrwren> but until there are, I'll prefer flatpacks
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> isn't flatpak for desktop apps only?
[18:18] <jrwren> I don't know.
[18:18] <jrwren> I never thought snaps would get used for server or dev stuff until they were.
[18:18] <jrwren> I mean... go... go of all things is about the dumbest thing to use a snap for.
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> it was the first thing i thought of lol
[18:18] <jrwren> it is literally untarring a tarbal to get a go compiler.
[18:19] <jrwren> yeah, I'm not attacking you.
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> the reason would be to get automatic updates
[18:19] <jrwren> the fact that it is there at all amazes me.
[18:19] <jrwren> someone thought, "yeah, this will be useful" ?
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> I'm primarily a tsc developer, and I like to essentially always run the latest version except when some compiler change breaks my build (which has happened but is uncommon)
[18:19] <jrwren> But..... there are probably peopel out there using ubuntu-core alone with use cases we can't really imagine.
[18:19] <jrwren> so I should jsut STFU
[18:19] <jrwren> yeah.
[18:20] <jrwren> for go, tsc, node... just don't even use debs ;)
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> would never want my CI to update the compiler automatically though
[18:20] <jrwren> right?!?
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> for node I use nvm, for tsc I use npm, nvm is installed directly
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> locally anyways
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> for CI everything is installed directly
[18:21] <mrgoodcat> these days all my CI is run in containers anyways
[18:22] <jrwren> yup.
[18:23] <mrgoodcat> hmm looks like flatpak skips out on sandboxing too
[18:23] <jrwren> containers really throw things like snap a wrench, cuz you've already got yoru base OS image, tiny as possible, I hope, do you really want to pull another one for the ubuntu-core for the snaps to use?
[18:23] <jrwren> yeah, which SOUNDS bad at first... until you realize that a ton of snap apps aren't sandboxed.
[18:23] <cmaloney> Honestly I wish more of the effort would go into debs and ppas
[18:24] <cmaloney> I think PPAs are still the bee's knees
[18:24] <jrwren> yup
[18:24] <cmaloney> but it seems like the half-life to a release's debs is 1 year
[18:24] <jrwren> but making debian packages is even more challenging than making snaps.
[18:24] <cmaloney> and then it dries up
[18:24] <cmaloney> I looked at the snap file for tootstream and couldn't figure it out
[18:25] <cmaloney> honestly, and this is going to sound strange, but RPMs had the most readable format for building packages
[18:25] <jrwren> yup
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: the packager supporting sandboxing is the first step to getting more sandboxed apps. I don't think you can brush that away so easily
[18:25] <cmaloney> I still haven't built a .deb package
[18:25] <jrwren> rpmspec was nice and clean and all in one place.
[18:25] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: i'm not brushing it away, i'm just saying it ain't all there.
[18:26] <cmaloney> The problem I'm seeing is that snaps are recreating some of the wall-smashing silliness of Docker without the large community to bash things into working
[18:26] <cmaloney> so you get half-assed docker
[18:26] <jrwren> snaps also break some pretty basic unix/posix stuff: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/Ubuntu2004SnapsHomeIssue
[18:27] <cmaloney> and docker already feels half-assed as it is
[18:28] <cmaloney> "Although the messages do not say this, the Snap system ignores any $HOME environment variable that you might have set; what it cares about is where /etc/passwd says your home directory is (after any symlinks are resolved). "
[18:28] <cmaloney> FFS
[18:28] <greg-g> ohey, speaking of /home, ya'll see homed yet?
[18:28] <greg-g> :) :)
[18:28] <jrwren> homed?
[18:29] <cmaloney> greg-g: systemd's home stuff
[18:29] <greg-g> yup
[18:29] <cmaloney> I'm grateful there's still BSD
[18:29] <greg-g> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-home-directory-management-is-about-to-undergo-major-change/
[18:29] <cmaloney> for when my computer becomes an unusable teetering mess
[18:29] <greg-g> it isn't yet?
[18:30] <cmaloney> not quite.
[18:31] <jrwren> i'm typing to you on a kb plugged into a mac in an iterm window to an ubuntu server... its a mess.
[18:32] <jrwren> that TR 404s for me
[18:33] <jrwren> https://systemd.io/HOME_DIRECTORY/  for crypto home dirs it is actually a good solution IMO
[18:33] <jrwren> i watched the All Systems Go talk that Pottering did and it made good sense.
[18:34] <jrwren> but then... i actually really like systemd... so... I'm crazy
[18:34] <cmaloney> My only concern is corner cases where it doesn't.
[18:34] <cmaloney> eg: $HOME directories
[18:34] <cmaloney> where we're putting in patches on top of patches to make shit work again the way it worked before
[18:35] <jrwren> but that is exactly what systemd has never done. we had patches on patches before. systemd throws everything out and starts from scratch.
[18:36] <jrwren> resolvconf & dnsmasq... IGNORE those... systemd-resolve for you!
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> think i'm with jrwren here, encrypted home directories are a Good Thing
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> I also have no real qualms with systemd
[18:37] <jrwren> systemd... its like upstart only better!  ;)
[18:37] <cmaloney> Encrypted home directories are great until you have a hardware issue
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> I was annoyed when it was first introduced because I needed to learn a new way to manage services and such
[18:37] <cmaloney> and then you have no home directroy
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> or backups apparently
[18:38] <jrwren> yup.
[18:38] <mrgoodcat> if you're not backing up, not having an encrypted homedir isn't saving you from hardware failures
[18:38] <cmaloney> Right, but if you're having hardware failure you limit your chances of recovery considerably
[18:39] <cmaloney> with an encrypted filesystem
[18:39] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:39] <jrwren> ugh... SSD in my wife's laptop died yesterday. completely gone. doesn't even show as a device. i think we ahve some backups.
[18:39] <cmaloney> remember when people compressed their filesystems back in the 40MB days?
[18:39] <mrgoodcat> i do not
[18:39] <cmaloney> bad sector = bad boom
[18:39] <mrgoodcat> i am 28 years old
[18:39] <jrwren> yup.
[18:39] <jrwren> Stacker
[18:39] <greg-g> barely a mr ;)
[18:39] <jrwren> DiskDboule
[18:40] <jrwren> now we have the same thing at a filesystem level.
[18:40] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: It's a lesson that we learned early on
[18:40] <mrgoodcat> I have never had a computer that isn't backed up regularly
[18:40] <cmaloney> the more layers to the data the more chances for failure
[18:40] <mrgoodcat> I also would consider lacking FDE a non-starter for a computer for personal or business use
[18:40] <jrwren> just turn on ZFS compression!
[18:40] <cmaloney> Oh I agree with the backups, but not having to go to backup is a good thing
[18:40] <jrwren> just turn on BTRFS compression.  ;)
[18:41] <cmaloney> just mount /dev/null /home
[18:41] <cmaloney> best encryption and compression on the planet
[18:41] <cmaloney> write once, read never
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> I very rarely have to even consider multi-user systems anymore luckily
[18:42] <jrwren> your ext4 or XFS doesn't do compression?  Run those on ZFS!  https://serverfault.com/questions/617648/transparent-compression-filesystem-in-conjunction-with-ext4
[18:42] <jrwren> 🤕
[18:42] <greg-g> there's already untold lateys between me and where my data lives, really. The diskdrive lies to the kernel, the kernel lies to the user space programs
[18:43] <mrgoodcat> if I did, I would be very uncomfortable with having a homedir that was not encrypted
[18:44] <jrwren> it is pretty cool we are starting to be able to control how the kernel lies to the userspace!  https://lwn.net/Articles/818285/  ;)
[18:44] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: yeah, exactly. the whole system encryption... is that LUKS?... is probably enough for single users systems.
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> i'm not even using single-user so much as single-application systems now
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> and that's assuming that layer isn't abstracted away already, which it is most of the time in my work
[18:48] <jrwren> what really makes me sad about snaps is that the reason they seem to be used because an app needs different deps than the system deps, and they do solve that problem, but that problem could also be solved by exception in some debian packaging requirements. But instead of letting pragmatism rule, idealism rules.
[18:48] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: yeah, a single app container is such a different thing than a single user laptop workstation
[18:48] <mrgoodcat> I have also never worked on an application that was not containerized and globally distributed though, so I think of server operating systems a little differently. it's little more than a comodity to be thrown away to me. nothing persistent on them anyways
[18:49] <jrwren> exactly.
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> my personal and work computers are both macbook pros now
[18:49] <jrwren> and yet... someone has to run the servers that those containers run on ;)
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> yea, but that's not my problem
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> I assume they're not using snaps
[18:50] <jrwren> well.. i think if they are using the canonical distribution of kubernetes, they might be.
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> the last app i was working on used the managed gcp kubernetes service, the one before that used aws ecs (elastic container service is not kubernetes, but is a managed service which solves similar problems)
[18:52] <mrgoodcat> now I work on a tracing
[18:52] <mrgoodcat> agent
[18:52] <cmaloney> I would not assume they weren't using snaps. :)
[18:52] <cmaloney> Authy is using snaps for their desktop application instead of the Chrome extension
[18:52] <cmaloney> and it's mildly irritating
[18:52] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: I'll rephrase. As long as the service continues to operate as expected, I don't really care what they use
[18:53] <cmaloney> Hoep you never have to maintain someone else's bad decisions. :)
[18:53] <mrgoodcat> also, I very much doubt the people running managed container services at large cloud providers are using snaps :)
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> something tells me kubernetes being updated in gke is a titanic effort
[18:55] <jrwren> what is authy?
[18:55] <cmaloney> Two-factor authentication client
[18:56] <cmaloney> cloud-synced
[18:56] <cmaloney> so I have the same codes on my phone as on my desktop
[18:56] <cmaloney> kinda handy
[18:56] <jrwren> that sounds nice.
[18:56] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: All I'm saying is that when things go to shit you just remember that still small voice that was cryig off in the distance. :)
[18:57] <greg-g> +1 to authy, that plus bitwarden is what I use
[18:58] <cmaloney> I was using the Google Authenticator, but having it on the desktop was a killer feature for me
[18:58] <mrgoodcat> i'm using 1password. all my 2fas are in google authenticator, but i've been meaning to move them to 1password so I don't have to play with my phone to get them
[18:58] <cmaloney> and it just works better
[18:59] <jrwren> i use DUO... cuz I live in ann arbor and I work for Cisco ;)
[19:00] <jrwren> the best is when the server uses duo push. no code to enter, just tap yes.
[19:00] <mrgoodcat> 1password uses touchid to unlock on macos which I appreciate
[19:00] <jrwren> i keep forgetting mac has touchid now
[19:00] <mrgoodcat> I also have a family account so having my passwords, but also shared family passwords in there is nice
[19:00] <mrgoodcat> i have the new 16" mbp with the improved kb
[19:01] <mrgoodcat> not that I ever use the built-in kb anyways
[19:06] <jrwren> love my cherry mx blues :)
[19:06] <mrgoodcat> just moved my digital ocean 2fa to 1password
[19:06] <mrgoodcat> I knew this was going to be a killer feature, but damn this is the best
[19:06] <mrgoodcat> why did I put this off for so long
[19:30] <brian__> "Should Poettering not be able to develop a solution for the SSH conundrum, systemd-homed will have to be relegated to desktops and laptop distributions, leaving servers out of the mix."
[19:30] <brian__> ok, because no one has ever wanted to SSH into their desktop machine.
[19:31] <brian__> (IRC needs a sarcasm tag)
[19:31] <Scary_Guy> Just use /s
[19:32] <jrwren> you'd still be able to ssh to your desktop machine after you've already logged into it once.
[19:32] <jrwren> who logs out of their desktop?
[19:32] <jrwren> every?
[19:32] <jrwren> ever?
[19:34] <brian__> True, although there's probably at least one failure case where you can't login locally (maybe a b0rked apt upgrade followed by reboot?).
[19:35] <jrwren> isn't that true regarless of systemd-homed?
[19:35] <brian__> Well, SSH would (hopefully) be an option in that case, assuming SSH wasn't b0rked as well.
[19:36] <jrwren> there is an old solution to that... enable ssh as root.
[19:38] <cmaloney> I log out of my desktop
[19:38] <cmaloney> if I can't ssh into my desktop then it's a complete nonstarter
[19:38] <cmaloney> I also ssh to fix things
[19:38] <cmaloney> JFC, no
[19:38] <cmaloney> enable ssh as root?  That's why I'm waiting and seeing
[19:40] <jrwren> same.
[19:40] <brian__> Unless your distro makes the decision for you.
[19:40] <jrwren> and that is another thing nice about systemd, it really is a component system, you don't have to use parts that don't work.
[19:40] <cmaloney> But I can totally see one dippy use-case start ruining things for non-traditional usage
[19:41] <cmaloney> Just means I'll have to install Ubuntu Server and run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:41] <jrwren> well yeah, that is what we see with snaps... broken for non-traditional usage.
[19:41] <cmaloney> Sorry.... snap get --whatever-the-fuck ubuntu-desktop
[19:41] <jrwren> and heck. thatt isn't even non-traditional, it is just a tiny but out of hte norm.
[19:41] <cmaloney> jrwren: More like "lacking imagination and POSIX documentation"
[19:42] <jrwren> lol
[19:42]  * cmaloney pulls the rant box
[19:44] <brian__> I use snap, but only so that I have automatic updates for software I can't get through a debian repository. So far, that's mostly been limited to JetBrains products.
[19:45] <brian__> But then again, I use Debian, not Ubuntu. ;)
[19:46] <brian__> If Debian starts pulling the "you have to install our distro through snap" card, I'm looking for a new distro.
[19:46] <jrwren> they won't.
[19:46] <jrwren> debian hasn't adopted snap at all AFAIK.
[19:46] <jrwren> heck, can you even apt install snapd in debian? don't you ahve to add a PPA or curl|sh or something?
[19:47] <brian__> Snap is part of the basic debian repository. Fortunately, that's as far as it goes.
[19:47] <jrwren> oh, it is built in now. that is... good I guess.
[19:57] <Scary_Guy> "snap your fingers snap your neck"
[19:58] <Scary_Guy> Anyway I remember having to install it for $something but now I don't use it or the $something.  I should really just rip it out.
[20:08] <jrwren> old, but I had missed it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/03/ubuntu-20-04s-zsys-adds-zfs-snapshots-to-package-management/
[20:08] <jrwren> very interesting.
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> brian__: I think it's incredibly unlikely homed would be released and go into wide usage without ssh support
[20:21] <brian__> mrgoodcat: One would hope so.
[20:23] <brian__> I can't help but remember the shitstorm that raged when many distros were early adopters of systemd, though.
[20:23] <jrwren> only from a select few loud people who wish linux was freebsd.
[20:23] <jrwren> "who moved my cheese!"
[20:35] <cmaloney> I can say that my main concern is that everything is essentially moving into init and become some binary blob crap
[20:35] <cmaloney> I hate how systemd takes over logging
[20:35] <cmaloney> but I'm also over it
[20:38] <cmaloney> I just don't want to see the usability that I've come to expect under Linux being supplanted by some of the design decisions I didn't care for under Windows
[20:39] <cmaloney> in order words, don't break grep
[22:56] <jrwren> i hated how systemd took over logging until I saw journalctl used really well.
[22:57] <jrwren> being able to say, "show me the logs from this datetime to this datetie" and get results instantly, not some slow read the file line by line grep that parses the text date.
[22:57] <jrwren> its a major usability increase.
[22:57] <jrwren> it is just a learning curve.


[07:12] <pieter2627> morning al
[07:13] <pieter2627> s/al/all/
[10:07] <andrewlsd> Maaz seen Kilos
[10:07] <Maaz_> andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 15 hours, 1 minute and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-10-14 12:06:44 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-10-14 12:06:58 PDT
[10:15] <pieter2627> andrewlsd: think he went in for the op today
[10:15] <andrewlsd> oh,
[10:15] <andrewlsd> tx pieter2627
[10:16] <pieter2627> np andrewlsd - it might also be Monday
[11:16] <inetpro> good evening
[11:17] <inetpro> andrewlsd: wb
[11:24] <andrewlsd> ty inetpro
[11:27] <inetpro> and where have you been hiding sir?
[11:33] <andrewlsd> all over the show.
[11:33] <andrewlsd> ... ZA, DE.
[14:35] <inetpro> andrewlsd: sounds like you're having fun
[14:45] <andrewlsd> ... kinda. yip. also not having much sleep
[17:50] <Kilos> evening all. just a short im ok  just bit sleepy
[17:50] <Kilos> hopefully caan go home tomorrow
[17:51] <Kilos> keep well everyone, night for now
[18:05] <inetpro> sounds like he had the op