[00:00] <hansoffate> ok
[00:00] <hansoffate> yea i am buying a new machine
[00:00] <hexxington> there's no comparison, performancewise. if you're insistent on amd for some bizarre reason, you want am2
[00:00] <hansoffate> naa, just trying to make a good HD system, that will last for a while
[00:01] <hansoffate> don't want to have to build a new one in 2 years when supposedly SD content dies
[00:01] <hansoffate> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115031
[00:01] <MindandMetal> in all the benchmarks I've read I would agree, go intel, but if you get a black edition amd then they can be overclocked and the difference between intel/amd narrows a lot
[00:01] <hansoffate> is that processor good enough
[00:02] <hansoffate> how sad, my HTPC will be so much better then my PC that i actually use ....
[00:02] <MindandMetal> lol, mines the same way
[00:03] <hansoffate> k thanks for the help guys, i guess i'll go with that processor
[00:04] <tgm4883> I couldn't tell you much about that processor versus my 6300, (other than the different FSB and core), but my fan barely runs, which is kinda nice
[00:06] <hansoffate> i see
[00:06] <tgm4883> get a good board though
[00:07] <tgm4883> maybe something that will allow a good upgrade path in the future
[00:10] <hansoffate> k, when i find a board i like, i'll paste it and ask for your/others opinions
[00:23] <MindofMetal-away> off hand question. is it possible to use say the remote receiver that comes with the Hauppauge usb remote receiver with an all in one remote?  say through a custom lirc config or something?
[00:25] <hansoffate> tgm4883: what do you think about this mobo?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131046
[00:25] <hansoffate> or anyone else that wants to comment
[00:28] <tgm4883> hansoffate, you might want to check the linux compatibility of that board.  I seem to remember some problem with the P5L boards from asus
[00:30] <famicon> bored
[00:30] <famicon> bored bored bored
[00:31] <JThundley> play in traffic
[00:31] <famicon> gets old fast
[00:32] <hansoffate> tgm4883: supposedly fedora 8 got installed without a problem on that board
[00:33] <tgm4883> sorry, check ubuntu compatibility
[00:33] <hexxington> 945g ought to be fine
[00:34] <hansoffate> k, i think it will work, i'll stick with this board
[00:34] <hansoffate> http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-hpt4254/4507-6482_7-32399836.html?tag=specs  - thats the tv i will be hooking up this box too
[00:35] <hansoffate> should i hook it up in the PC hookup or hook it up with a dvi -> hdmi to get the best resolution?
[00:36] <hansoffate> by pc hookup ... i mean VGA
[00:36] <hexxington> gah, what is it with plasmas and silly resolutions
[00:37] <hexxington> doesn't matter how you hook it up, i suspect. go with vga for least pain, IME
[00:37] <tgm4883> hmm
[00:37] <tgm4883> are you planning on doing HD?
[00:39] <hansoffate> tgm4883:  now, i don't plan on recording HD, but i do plan to have HD Avi's  that i would like to play through mythvideo and would like to display the best
[00:39] <hexxington> tgm4883, TECHNICALLY that screen gets itself an "hd ready" sticker in .uk - technically
[00:39] <famicon> use hdmi
[00:39] <hexxington> famicon, why?
[00:39] <famicon> easier
[00:40] <famicon> plus no hassle with audio cables
[00:40] <mindofmetal> theory says that the only difference between hdmi and dvi is that hdmi passes audio along with the video
[00:40] <mindofmetal> if you pump your sound out to an outside receiver, hdmi is a waste
[00:40] <tgm4883> is audio supported over hdmi in linux yet?
[00:40] <famicon> and you can allways hookup another pc tft in case you want to do some quick tweaks
[00:40] <hexxington> famicon, easier how? it's a 1024x768 screen, most samsungs only allow proper HD resolutions via hdmi. so there's an extra layer of pointless scaling in there
[00:41] <hexxington> and probably the need for modelines
[00:41] <famicon> huh
[00:41] <famicon> in that case dont buy that tv
[00:41] <famicon> it sucks
[00:41] <hansoffate> hahah too late
[00:41] <mindofmetal> I like dvi myself, but that's based on the copy protection crap that they want to pass via hdmi
[00:42] <hansoffate> so i should get a video card w/ dvi and hook it up with a dvi->hdmi cable  and run the audio with a 1/8" to RCA audio?
[00:42] <mindofmetal> but then, I'm not sure I've got myself an HD picture here on my HDTV
[00:43] <mindofmetal> that's what I would suggest.  some mobo's are coming now with hdmi out on them as well though, save yourself a slot if it's an nvidia based chipset
[00:43] <hexxington> mindframe-, DVI supports HDCP as well
[00:43] <famicon> well erhm
[00:43] <famicon> isnt hdcp mandatory for some media
[00:43] <hexxington> mindofmetal, ^^
[00:43] <famicon> not that i care
[00:43] <hexxington> famicon, yes, if the disc demands it
[00:43] <mindofmetal> they are trying to push it being maditory, and the new blu rays and such demand it.  if you don't have it they'll only play at a lower resolution
[00:43] <famicon> good reason not to buy the disc
[00:43] <famicon> and just download it
[00:44] <hansoffate> hahah agreed
[00:44] <tgm4883> well advocating piracy is a bad thing
[00:44] <famicon> nah
[00:44] <famicon> piracy is great
[00:44] <mindofmetal> but I'll advocate playing your owned media any way you choose to without them sitting there telling you what you can play it on and how
[00:45] <hansoffate> so ... does dvi->hdmi cable with 1/8" to rca audio sound ok?
[00:45] <famicon> especially when you get screwed over by the people who produce mediover stuff
[00:45] <tgm4883> and while bluray and HDDVD have it available, it's not forced
[00:45] <famicon> hah
[00:45] <famicon> so what, piracy is awesome
[00:45] <mindofmetal> dvi to dvi input or through hdmi converted cable without 1/8th rca sounds good.  but if you want to go one step further, go with optical into a receiver capable of decoding DTS and such
[00:46] <hansoffate> my reciever is shitty and is about 10 years old.
[00:46] <famicon> tgm4883 we are dealing with people who think its "OK" to charge people multiple times for the same content simply because its stored on a different media
[00:47] <hexxington> my receiver kicks your arse, and famicon's arse, and mindofmetal's arse
[00:47] <hexxington> it was expensive though :(
[00:47] <mindofmetal> I don't know, I've got a pretty nice receiver
[00:47] <famicon> hexxington what receiver?
[00:47] <hexxington> onkyo tx-sr605
[00:48] <famicon> that is quite nice
[00:48] <mindofmetal> Yamaha HTR-5960 is what I'm running
[00:49] <famicon> I dont have one
[00:49] <famicon> dont need it
[00:50] <hexxington> i have too many games consoles and not enough connectors on my tv
[00:50] <hexxington> mindofmetal, nice spec, retro connectivity
[00:50] <tgm4883> famicon, what they charge is not my area of interest.  The current laws of your country are.  The current policy on this channel and all other *buntu* channels is no talk of piracy.  This will be the only warning.
[00:51] <famicon> tgm4883 in my country it is covered under fair use
[00:52] <hexxington> famicon, downloading movies you don't own isn't fair use
[00:52] <tgm4883> famicon, that may be the case, but the policy of the channel is no talk.
[00:52] <famicon> oh dear
[00:52] <mindofmetal> so lets talk about remotes :P
[00:53] <hansoffate> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127273 - is that video card good enough for my tv?  it supports the resolution i need
[00:53] <hexxington> hansoffate, yeah, fine
[00:53] <hansoffate> thanks
[00:53] <hexxington> hansoffate, i use the same chipset in my myth machine
[00:53] <mindofmetal> is it possible through a custom lirc config to use an all in one remote with a hauppauge usb remote receiver?
[00:53] <famicon> i dont see why not
[00:54] <mindofmetal> damn, I just bought that graffics card 3 weeks ago for 70 dollars
[00:54] <hexxington> mindofmetal, HOW? it's a £25 card! has been for about 18 months!
[00:55] <mindofmetal> bah!  maybe not the exact card, exact chipset, the 7300LE pcie card, but mines not a silent card, it has a fan, but I bought it from one of the local hardware bigstores (Fry's)
[00:57] <hexxington> amp! http://www.eu.onkyo.com/products/product_en_5710611.html
[00:58] <hansoffate> sweet got my full system built now - 491.92    after mail in and combo packages it should be around 450.
[00:59] <hansoffate> 500gb drive should be enough space for recordings .... right?  my old one that got fried had only 250 and it was fine
[01:00] <hexxington> depends how much recording you want to do!
[01:00] <hexxington> it's 2gb/hour for most of my stuff
[01:00] <tgm4883> 500 should be fine, even for HD content
[01:03] <hansoffate> k, thanks for all the help on this build.  Now time to trouble shoot my grandpa's mythtv system.  I finally got almost everything working.  The only thing I need to get is mythmusic. For some reason, it isn't able to add the mp3s in the network share.  Even though mythvideo can add the avi/mpegs in the network share.
[01:03] <hansoffate> it's driving me crazy
[01:04] <famicon> nfs?
[01:04] <hansoffate> samba - cifs
[01:06] <hansoffate> got his box shared  like   /Share/Musik (mp3s)   and /Share/Video (avi/mpegs)   mounted to /mnt/Share  where the Musik and Video folders display.   I can play the mp3s over the network with mplayer, but for some reason, mythmusic doesn't seem to find them
[01:10] <alexvd> tgm4883: i am still having nvidia driver issues since rolling back to 9631.  it seems to default back to the vesa driver
[01:13] <hansoffate> anyways, back to work on this, thanks for the help guys, if anyone has any ideas on what the issue may be, please let me know
[01:16] <alexvd> hansoffate is the music on a upnp box?
[01:17] <hansoffate> universal plug and play box?  i don't really understand what you are asking
[01:18] <alexvd> if the music is on a device that is a media server that serves up the music via upnp it wont work until .21.  Looking at your post it looks like you are using samba so I am guessing its a hard drive on another computer.  So it doesnt seem to apply
[01:19] <alexvd> did you set the permission properly on the folders
[01:32] <mindofmetal> ok, someone please throw me a bone for some guidance on my display.  I have geforce 7300LE working on nvidia's restricted drivers (version 100.14.19) passing through DVI to my 42in plasma. some channels have tearing, no channels fit right on the screen despite the aspect ration change (W in mythtv watch tv) and over all, just not sure I'm getting the picture I should be.
[01:33] <alexvd> mindofmetal you may have overscan unless your plasma does 1 to 1 pixel mapping
[01:33] <mindofmetal> hrm, I'm not sure if my plasma does... ok, I should find that out
[01:34] <alexvd> mindofmetal in setting tv playback you can adjust overscan.  as for tearing you need to enable opengl vsync and then go into nvidia-settings and disable vsync and blitter
[01:35] <alexvd> mindofmetal also run top from a terminal to make sure you are not pegging your processor and make sure you have "useevents" "true" in your xorg file
[01:35] <mindofmetal> forgive me if I'm a newb (I am) but will opengl give me my hidef picture?  I thought Xv was required for that.  or are those not different?
[01:37] <alexvd> xv is for a computer that has low processor power and wants to run hd if you have dualcore 3.3ghz and above you probably wont need it.  Your card and monitor should have passed EDID information but you may want to check what modeline you are running.  your plasma more than likely is 720p
[01:39] <mindofmetal> how do I check the modeline?
[01:39] <alexvd> check your xorg file
[01:39] <alexvd> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:44] <mindofmetal> ok, I see my monitor listed as a generic monitor, and has several modes available.  I don't see it telling me what it's running at though.  through the nvidia configuration utility it says it's at  1024x768, I have a acuire edid button that allows me to save a edid.bin file.  do I need to merge that with my xorg.conf in some fashion?
[01:45] <mindofmetal> tv is supposed to be able to do 1080i, and I can when I have my ATSC antena hooked up to it (I think)
[01:47] <alexvd> ok i am not familiar with plasma that much but if the native resolution is 1080i that is what you want to force.  you can do that by commenting out the 1024X768 and do 1920x1080i
[01:50] <mindofmetal> I have an entry in my xorg.conf "nvidia-auto-select" should I comment that out as well to force the 1920?  also, I have a mode listing for 1920x1080, but it doesn't have the "i".  still the same thing?
[01:53] <alexvd> yes that should be the way to go.  Hey before you change anything make a backup of this xorg file.  I would also suggest you go here and read first.  http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84545
[01:54] <alexvd> mindofmetal please backup your xorg to xorg,old before you make changes
[01:57] <mindofmetal> yes, that is a wise idea
[01:58] <mindofmetal> testing
[02:22] <mindofmetal> ok, well that was a mess.
[02:25] <mindofmetal> ok, well trying to comment out resolutions didn't work out for me.
[02:34] <mindofmetal> if I acquire the edid through the nvidia driver utiltiy, how do I point my xorg.conf to it?
[02:34] <mindofmetal> or rather, have it included, or.... something.  I'm not even sure if I'm making sense
[04:07] <javatexan> howdy all...I have mythbuntu setup...i think...it keeps wanting to go to autoconfig on network and getting the wrong address.  Anyways....I need to be able to login and run mythtv frontend as a window....how and where do I do this?
[04:07] <javatexan> is it in the mythtv control center somewhere?
[04:08] <mindofmetal> it's in setup, either the frontend or backend setup, can't remember which.  but there is an option to run the frontend in a window
[04:08] <javatexan> Okay...I will look again...thanks
[04:10] <mindofmetal> ok, i'ts in the front end, setup, appearance, second screen gives the option to run in a window
[04:39] <tazgodx> anyone here actually set up the set top box motorolla DCT-2244?
[04:43] <tazgodx> or better question whats a good STB from comcast, and enables the firewire?
[04:52] <mindofmetal> *sigh*
[04:53] <mindofmetal> ok, not having any luck here at all getting my geforce 7300LE (connected via DVI) to 1080i on my 42" plasma
[04:53] <mindofmetal> tried many different xorg.conf changes, nothing seems to be working out here
[05:00] <javatexan> can you use xmltv in the US?  Or do you have to go with schedulesdirect?
[05:00] <tazgodx> have to use SD
[05:01] <javatexan> doh....
[05:01] <javatexan> really?????
[05:02] <mindofmetal> I don't think he'd lie to you
[05:03] <javatexan> darn..;) just checkin
[05:03] <javatexan> that could be why my be is not workin
[05:06] <javatexan> the fe keeps saying something about not being able to find the be....I know I have days like this, but this is software...shouldn't be doing that...the only step I skipped was the SD part b/c I don't have an account yet....I am doing that now....  How do I fix the BE now...?
[05:11] <tazgodx> i think i might ahve to get a new STB
[05:12] <tazgodx> maybe ill just get the motorola 6200
[05:12] <tazgodx> i really need a new TV, definatly need HD TV soon
[05:13] <mindofmetal> haven't used a set top box in forever myself.  to many channels, still nothing to watch.
[05:13] <mindofmetal> ah, but an HD tv, love mine.  to bad I bought when prices were so much higher
[05:13] <tazgodx> i mostly watch normal cable, but i want to watch some G4 and HBO
[05:14] <mindofmetal> I'm lucky really, the only channel outside of what I can grab off air (ATSC) that I want to watch is the discovery channel.  and that comes in my basic cable package
[05:15] <tazgodx> i watch a lot of basic cable
[05:15] <mindofmetal> although it would be nice to have the extra science, discovery, and history channels
[05:15] <tazgodx> USA, Spike, Cartoon Network
[05:15] <tazgodx> but i watch a few digital cable channels
[05:16] <mindofmetal> if I had them, I'd probably find things to watch.  hence why I don't have them
[05:16] <tazgodx> haha
[05:16] <mindofmetal> I'm about to through my #*&!!# tv out the window right now
[05:17] <tazgodx> throw?
[05:18] <mindofmetal> throw, yes
[05:18] <tazgodx> lol
[05:18] <mindofmetal> forgive me, mindofmetal is a bit rusty and frustrated tonight.
[05:18] <mindofmetal> can't even type clearly
[05:18] <tazgodx> lol
[05:18] <mindofmetal> testing
[05:22] <mindofmetal> *cuss*
[05:22] <tazgodx> you can't cuss more than this show im watching now
[05:22] <mindofmetal> I can cuss to make a sailor blush.
[05:23] <mindofmetal> I've had people tell me to "keep it down man, there are mechanics around"
[05:23] <tazgodx> ever see the documentary aristocrats?
[05:23] <mindofmetal> no, haven't seen it
[05:23] <tazgodx> haha, just watch it to see how much cussing goes on
[05:24] <mindofmetal> perhaps someday
[05:24] <tazgodx> i hate documentaries
[05:24] <tazgodx> but this one keeps my interest
[05:25] <tazgodx> its all based around a joke called the aristocrats
[05:25] <tazgodx> which is said to be the "dirtiest joke ever!"
[05:25] <mindofmetal> one time show or a series?
[05:25] <tazgodx> its a documentary movie
[05:25] <tazgodx> only one
[05:25] <mindofmetal> gotcha
[05:25] <mindofmetal> I'll have to check it out
[05:29] <mindofmetal> the aristocrats?  with the comedians and such?  released in 2005ish?  k, just put it on my netflix queue
[05:29] <tazgodx> yeah
[05:29] <tazgodx> thats where i first saw it, netflix
[05:33] <tazgodx> superm1: you around?
[05:34] <superm1> sure
[05:35] <tazgodx> you just like to hide
[05:36] <tazgodx> ok, can i record a HD channel through a motorola 6200 Firewire port, and watch on SD TV?
[05:39] <superm1> from the same cable box?
[05:40] <mindofmetal> superm1 any idea where I would start digging to figure out why I can't get my box to show 1080i on my HDTV?  and how to fix/force the issue
[05:40] <mindofmetal> ?
[05:41] <superm1> mindofmetal, turn up verbosity on your X log
[05:41] <superm1> and look at it
[05:41] <superm1> it tells you why it didn't like the EDID
[05:42] <mindofmetal> so, verbosity of maybe level 6?
[05:43] <mindofmetal> and, where do I change that?
[05:45] <superm1> change it in the /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[05:45] <tubetopbaby> howdy all!
[05:45] <mindofmetal> thanks superm1, howdy tubetop
[05:46] <tubetopbaby> I apparently completely dorked my BE...is there a way to go back to setit up again?
[05:47] <tubetopbaby> the FE cant apparently connect to BE and it is probably b/c I didnt have SchedulesDirect account yet... :)
[05:47] <superm1> launch mythtv-setup
[05:47] <superm1> to set it up again
[05:47] <mindofmetal> don't think it's that tubetop, I don't have a schedulesdirect account and mine can't talk and play together
[05:48] <tubetopbaby> from terminal or gui?
[05:48] <superm1> doesnt matter
[05:55] <tazgodx> no superm1 i want to get a 6200 STB and plug it in with firwire into my mythbox, and output from my mythbox to my SDTV
[05:56] <superm1> yeah that should work fine
[05:56] <mindofmetal> ok, I'm just not seeing the option to increase the verbosity in that gdm-cdd.conf file.  do I have to add a line?
[05:56] <superm1> you add a command line option to it
[05:56] <superm1> i dont know off hand what it is
[06:01] <tubetopbaby> okay;....when setting up the SA4250HDC firewire  how do I know which port or node?
[06:02] <tubetopbaby> it defaults to 1294 port 0 and Node:2
[06:03] <tubetopbaby> whats the difference between connection type point to point and broadcast, in this situation?
[06:05] <tubetopbaby> i dont think the firewire is working.....I'll have to wait until I get the 3250HD tomorrow I guess....How do I finish the setup now?
[06:06] <tubetopbaby> I am at the mythbuntu main mythtv-setup screen with 1-5 listed....how do I exit and continue the process?
[06:12] <tubetopbaby> i don't want to loose these settings and I want the BE to be happy
[06:13] <superm1> hit esc
[06:13] <superm1> to quit
[06:13] <superm1> brb myself
[06:13] <tubetopbaby> yes...it is filling the db...thanks
[06:17] <tubetopbaby> i think its in an infinite loop
[06:19] <tubetopbaby> nope...it is getting different info each time....sorry
[09:07] <tubetopbaby> I cant vnc to to work at all
[09:09] <tubetopbaby> what process should be running with vnc4server?
[09:11] <tubetopbaby> mythbuntu says the service is enabled...but I cant find the ps?
[09:11] <tubetopbaby> maybe if i restart?
[12:42] <sebrock> sdf
[12:51] <sebrock> superm1: sorry, havnt had time to check on the codes for the imon pad yet. However, I'm getting some lag whenever I press the remote. Guessing the USB is sharing IRQ or something. Anyway, I'll check back after xmas. Happy Xmas everybody, and keep up the good work!
[17:52] <javatexan> howdy all!!!
[17:52] <javatexan> howdy yall!!!!
[17:54] <javatexan> my BE keeps crashing and the FE complains if IP is setup right....doesnt seem to be starting on restart....any ideas on where to start hunting?
[17:58] <javatexan> how do I tell if the backend is running?
[18:00] <javatexan> what is console-kit-dae process?
[18:01] <pdragon> not sure what that is, but you can check the logs in /var/log/mythtv
[18:02] <javatexan> if i ps -lA i have like 5 mythfrontend.re.....is that normal?
[18:03] <pdragon> only see one on mine, so don't think so
[18:03] <pdragon> i'm not watching tv or anything now, tho, so dunno if more get started up then
[18:04] <javatexan> how do i run the setup again for the be...I found the problem
[18:04] <pdragon> just remoted into it now for IRC :)
[18:04] <javatexan> lol...thanks for the help...I am such a noooooooooob with this systme.....it seems so magical right now and I hate that feeling
[18:04] <pdragon> from the CLI, i'm not sure. you can get to it from the MCC
[18:05] <rhpot1991> mythtv-setup I think
[18:05] <rhpot1991> it requires x though
[18:07] <javatexan> thanks.....found the problem...I moved the recordings folder out from under its nose.....LOL oops
[18:07] <javatexan> it didnt like that ;)
[18:07] <pdragon> ahh yeah, i've done that one
[18:08] <rhpot1991> javatexan: if you have mythweb setup you can often adjust things like that in there too
[18:08] <rhpot1991> gotta be careful though as there is no verification
[18:09] <rhpot1991> its a savior when you break things while you are at work
[18:09] <javatexan> ok...thanks....didnt know that ... thanks.  I haven't tried the web interface yet
[18:09] <pdragon> don't think you can adjust folder locations over mythweb, can you?
[18:09] <javatexan> still toooooooooo noooooooooooobish
[18:10] <pdragon> hrm... can't get to mythweb myself now for some reason
[18:10] <rhpot1991> pdragon: there is a settings section
[18:10] <rhpot1991> where you can modify pretty much anything
[18:12] <pdragon> guess i never really looked hard there. just remember going there and seeing settings, but not modifying them
[18:12] <pdragon> now i have to wait til i get home to figure out why i can't get to it :/
[18:12] <javatexan> i think I am going to restart the box.  I don't know why all these processes are running.....I have been pretty hard on it lately.  It wont be able to connect to STB though...I hope that doesnt make it too mad
[18:13] <javatexan> lol...i know the feeling
[18:13] <javatexan> should I exit myth before I shutdown or restart or is it okay with getting shutdown from system?
[18:14] <rhpot1991> I normally don't
[18:14] <javatexan> k...just checkin....you never know
[18:15] <rhpot1991> I would recommend enabling the mysql daily optimization though
[18:15] <rhpot1991> its on the last tab of MCC IIRC
[18:15] <javatexan> k...i think i did set that
[18:23] <javatexan> so if I plop a .avi or a mpeg file into ...../mythtv/recordings.... what would happen?  Would that add it to my library or should i plop them in /mythtv/videos???
[18:23] <rhpot1991> nothing would happen
[18:23] <rhpot1991> it just sits there
[18:24] <rhpot1991> you can plop them into the videos directory
[18:24] <rhpot1991> and scan that with the video manager
[18:24] <rhpot1991> or you can plop them into recordings then create db entries for them
[18:24] <rhpot1991> there is a script to do that, let me check
[18:24] <javatexan> okay...ill try...my damn cable box's FIREWIRE is off, so I am dying to try SOMETHING!!!!!
[18:24] <javatexan> thanks for looking
[18:25] <pdragon> the easiest thing is dropping it in the videos folder than going to the Setup Video Manager to scan it in
[18:25] <pdragon> that's what i do
[18:25] <rhpot1991> !orphan
[18:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orphan - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:25] <rhpot1991> !orphaned
[18:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orphaned - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:28] <rhpot1991> If your backup was out of date, you may have orphaned videos in your myth/tv folder. To make these videos available for viewing you'll need to download the source distribution of mythtv and run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost=localhost, which is located in the contrib directory.  This adds the missing videos to the database.  You'll be prompted to enter names for the orphaned videos.
[18:28] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib
[18:28] <rhpot1991> is where thats located it
[18:30] <javatexan> cool....not sure I can handle source distribution right now ;)  I barely got mythbuntu up and running....naw...just kidding....  Sure...I love doing opensource dev how do i set it up?  Is there a pretty good website to follow?
[18:31] <rhpot1991> nah, its just a script sitting there
[18:31] <rhpot1991> all you need to do is run it
[18:31] <javatexan> k
[18:31] <rhpot1991> mythvideo may be easier from a UI standpoint though
[18:31] <rhpot1991> try both and see what you think
[18:32] <rhpot1991> I prefer to not have things in mythvideo, but to each his own
[18:36] <javatexan> how do i find out the current version of my mythtv installation?
[18:36] <javatexan> not sure which svn trunk to get ;)
[18:36] <rhpot1991> wait wait
[18:36] <rhpot1991> what are you doing?
[18:36] <rhpot1991> that should exist on your system already
[18:36] <rhpot1991> contrib comes with the backend
[18:37] <javatexan> oh....okay...sorry....
[18:37] <javatexan> LOL
[18:37] <javatexan> LMAO
[18:37] <rhpot1991> sorry, should read what I pasted from another site
[18:37] <rhpot1991> said words about downloading in there, didn't realize it
[18:37] <javatexan> np....I am gullable this morning....not enough sleep... ;P
[18:38] <javatexan> can avis live in recordings or do they have to be mpeg2 or mpeg4?
[18:39] <javatexan> mpeg2 and/or mpeg4 ...sorry
[18:41] <rhpot1991> should be ok
[18:41] <Iolaus> Hey all, does anyone have any idea why scan displacement doesn't seem to be working for me?  I'm using a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2.
[18:41] <rhpot1991> as you can transcode your recordings to xvid
[18:48] <javatexan> man vnc is not perfect...kind of slow
[18:52] <rhpot1991> I prefer nx myself
[20:29] <javatexan> rhpot1991: I am trying the script now...but I get:  Can't locate Date/Parse.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /us
[20:29] <javatexan> r/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 54.
[20:29] <javatexan> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 54.
[20:31] <rhpot1991> try to 'sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv'
[20:31] <javatexan> is it a CPAN addition
[20:31] <rhpot1991> you can prob get it on apt, see if that works
[20:31] <javatexan> k...brb
[20:32] <javatexan> wow....92 to install....
[20:33] <rhpot1991> you can try doing mythtv-backend instead of mythtv, but eh
[20:33] <rhpot1991> or you can pick out pm'
[20:33] <javatexan> np...got 300GB on that HD...
[20:33] <rhpot1991> pm's by hand if you are worried about it
[20:34] <javatexan> I wanted to get to the point of doing dev on mythtv anyways....I miss writing "real" software
[20:34] <javatexan> been a professor tooooooooo long.... ;)
[20:34] <javatexan> !hi
[20:34] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv!
[20:35] <rhpot1991> I would think being a professor would let you have some time to work on side projects during your office hours
[20:35] <rhpot1991> I guess it all depends on the college
[20:36] <javatexan> yeah...we actually take up and grade homework and programs...so that takes more time....
[20:36] <javatexan> usually that would be true tho
[20:36] <rhpot1991> I knew some professors who had students helping out teaching classes and doing some of that work
[20:37] <javatexan> we've gotten really big on the research thing, so no one does what they couldn't get a paper out of
[20:37] <javatexan> yeah...we don't do that yet...we still dont have a phd...we have a really strong MS program tho
[20:40] <javatexan> i worked on n tiered systems in industry for 10 years....i am pining to get back to some real code....over the summer to help ease the pining...I wrote a cheezy game for the Half-life2 engine...It was ugly, but it gave me a chance to drill down into a nontrivial system
[20:41] <javatexan> naw...i should really get a summer gig for this summer... I just hate to look  ;)
[20:42] <javatexan> the money would be nice...:)
[20:43] <rhpot1991> could prob look for some freelance job that doesn't tie you to anything
[20:43] <rhpot1991> 2nd jobs suck though
[20:44] <javatexan> i know...i did 2 jobs the first 2.5 years I was here.....good way to have a meltdown...LOL  I really need something laid back.  LOL as if you can find that... ;)
[20:45] <javatexan> can you find Date/Parse.pm for me on your system...?
[20:45] <javatexan> prolly a include path problem
[20:46] <rhpot1991> that didn't fix it?
[20:46] <rhpot1991> try 'sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv-backend' too
[20:46] <rhpot1991> see if that has any others
[20:46] <hexxington> it won't
[20:46] <hexxington> mythtv and mythtv-backend come from the same source package
[20:46] <javatexan> same error....now my  myth.rebuilddatabase.pl was actually in a myth.rebuilddatabase.pl.gz...I gunziped it...maybe it was supposed to be in there?
[20:46] <hexxington> build-dep resolves binary package names to the source package name
[20:47] <rhpot1991> no, its supposed to be extracted
[20:48] <javatexan> hmmmm i don't see a Date folder
[20:49] <javatexan> this is the line that dies : use Date::Parse;
[20:50] <javatexan> looks like a pretty normal perly kind of use.....something else is wrong.....maybe I don't have perl setup right....I installed mythbuntu, and the ubuntu desktop.  Maybe I should reinstall perl?
[20:50] <rhpot1991> shouldn't need to
[20:50] <javatexan> okay
[20:51] <rhpot1991> its just a missing pm, though apt isn't helping me locate which package to install
[20:53] <javatexan> found it in CPAN
[20:54] <javatexan> Graham Barr >  TimeDate-1.16
[20:54] <javatexan> is that the right one
[20:54] <javatexan> i just love google
[20:54] <rhpot1991> libdate-manip-perl
[20:54] <rhpot1991> try that one
[20:54] <rhpot1991> sudo apt-get install libdate-manip-perl
[20:55] <rhpot1991> ya I found that on cpan, but its easier to install on apt if its there IMO
[20:55] <javatexan> already there
[20:55] <hexxington> items in contrib are NOT covered by build-dep
[20:56] <hexxington> and you want/need libtimedate-perl
[20:56] <rhpot1991> I think its libdatetime-perl
[20:56] <javatexan> do i have to set the path myself?
[20:57] <rhpot1991> not timddate
[20:57] <rhpot1991> you shouldn't need to
[20:57] <javatexan> no worky
[20:58] <rhpot1991> actually there is a libtimedate and a libdatetime
[20:58] <rhpot1991> my bad
[20:58] <rhpot1991> you tried libtimedate-perl?
[20:58] <rhpot1991> that should be the cpan module
[21:00] <javatexan> hold on
[21:02] <javatexan> that didn't work either.
[21:03] <rhpot1991> still erroring on the same line?
[21:04] <rhpot1991> run 'locate Parse.pm'
[21:04] <rhpot1991> I have a /usr/share/perl5/Date/Parse.pm
[21:05] <javatexan> thats it
[21:05] <rhpot1991> does yours have it?
[21:06] <javatexan> i get /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Parse.pm
[21:06] <javatexan> /usr/share/perl5/Parse/Yapp/Parse.pm
[21:06] <javatexan> /usr/share/system-tools-backends-2.0/scripts/Utils/Parse.pm
[21:07] <javatexan> LOL
[21:07] <rhpot1991> I have those too
[21:07] <rhpot1991> hmmm, you definately did a 'sudo apt-get install libtimedate-perl' ?
[21:07] <javatexan> ya
[21:08] <javatexan> strangely enough...if i cd into your dir....its there too....LMAO
[21:08] <javatexan> so it is a path issue...right?
[21:08] <rhpot1991> might be a path issue then
[21:08] <rhpot1991> package installed it, I just verified thats the package it came from
[21:09] <javatexan> cool...I have it.....locate and perl cant find it
[21:10] <javatexan> wow that is odd
[21:10] <rhpot1991> run 'echo $PATH'
[21:10] <rhpot1991> wait no
[21:11] <rhpot1991> thats not right
[21:12] <javatexan> when I run perl on it i get: Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /u
[21:12] <javatexan> sr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 55.
[21:12] <rhpot1991> alright good
[21:12] <javatexan> check it out, it is looking at /usr/share/perl5......right?
[21:13] <javatexan> parse.pm is at /usr/share/perl5/Date/Parse.pm
[21:13] <rhpot1991> sudo apt-get install libtime-format-perl
[21:13] <rhpot1991> it should be
[21:13] <javatexan> its right were it thinks it should be....right?
[21:14] <rhpot1991> I think your date::parse is fixed now cause it moved on to time::format
[21:15] <javatexan> yup...works...now I get a usage
[21:15] <javatexan> yeah
[21:15] <rhpot1991> there we go
[21:15] <javatexan> okay...what options do we want?
[21:15] <rhpot1991> IIRC you tell it where to look and it scans the files and looks for ones without db entries then prompts you for each one
[21:16] <javatexan> --try_defaults?
[21:17] <rhpot1991> here is what I did
[21:17] <rhpot1991> copies that script to /usr/local/bin
[21:17] <rhpot1991> then I just ran myth.rebuild.database.pl --file <filename>
[21:17] <rhpot1991> from within my recordings dir
[21:17] <rhpot1991> you can leave it there and just point it to the absolute path of your recording if you wanted to
[21:17] <javatexan> on each file in recordings dir... right
[21:18] <javatexan> ?
[21:18] <rhpot1991> well that will do it for one file
[21:18] <rhpot1991> thats all I needed
[21:18] <javatexan> cool...thanks bro...you are awesome
[21:18] <rhpot1991> you can try --try_default and see if it picks them all up
[21:19] <javatexan> ill just write a little perl script to get all of them
[21:19] <rhpot1991> sure no problem, unfortunately thats about as far as I can get you so you might need to google how to do a whole bunch of files
[21:19] <rhpot1991> try out the default first, oh and back up your db for the heck of it
[21:19] <javatexan> i have one just like it from the semester
[21:19] <rhpot1991> if you are gonna be trying something you aren't sure of
[21:19] <javatexan> true...is there a script for that?
[21:19] <rhpot1991> backup now ask questions later
[21:20] <javatexan> exactly
[21:20] <rhpot1991> !backup
[21:20] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[21:20] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database
[21:20] <rhpot1991> I've always used the mysqldump in that
[21:21] <javatexan> i was afraid you were going to say that....LOL ;)
[22:37] <FisherGirl> hello?
[22:58] <javatexan> hey guys...what are all the video file endings that mythtv understands?  .avi, etc?
[22:59] <hexxington> anything that works with "ffplay"
[23:00] <hexxington> and the file extension is a windows simplification of the larger question - container formats
[23:00] <hexxington> certainly in some shape or form, it should be able to demux any container in common use - avi, asf, mov, mpeg, rm, ogg, mkv
[23:02] <javatexan> i am writing a perl script to find any supported file type
[23:02] <javatexan> just not sure where to find the list
[23:02] <javatexan> ;)


[00:07] <manusheel> alsroot: For some issues, there are already members assigned, while there status is "New" instead of "Assigned".
[00:08] <manusheel> alsroot: I feel that the status of such bugs should be changed to "assigned". Can I do that?
[00:09] <alsroot> manusheel: New is the first status, assigned could set explicitly or implicitly(after reassigning)
[00:09] <alsroot> afaik
[00:12] <manusheel> alsroot: Ok. Great. I'll then re-assign the issues to the members, who are working on it. This way, we would not be working on the same issues on which other members are already working.
[01:11]  * lfaraone waves.
[01:58]  * lfaraone is looking at neeraj's overview of all packages.
[02:00] <lfaraone> dfarning: bug 624592  should be "high", IMHO, because it doesn't make USR unusable.
[02:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624592 in ubuntu-sugar-remix-meta (Ubuntu) "request all packaged activities be installed by default on USR (affects: 1) (heat: 863)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624592
[12:45] <manusheel> alsroot: Hi Aleksey.
[12:45] <manusheel> Around?
[12:58] <manusheel> anurag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff
[13:02] <manusheel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff
[13:33] <alsroot> manusheel: pong
[15:02]  * lfaraone waves,
[15:02] <lfaraone> *.
[15:03] <manusheel> lfaraone: Hi Luke.
[15:03] <manusheel> Around?
[15:08] <lfaraone> well, yes.
[15:12] <lfaraone> manusheel: anything that needs doing? :)
[15:17] <manusheel> lfaraone: Luke, wish to ask you what do about the packaging of turtle art and blocks?
[15:17] <lfaraone> manusheel: nothing, it's done, and in NEW.
[15:17] <manusheel> lfaraone: We have packaged both of them.
[15:18] <lfaraone> manusheel: okay. I thought I explained in the Todo page… The "turtleart" source package provides a turtleart binary package which works in GNOME, and provides a sugar-turtleart-activity binary package which works in Sugar.
[15:19] <manusheel> lfaraone: Sure. Thanks for the pointer.
[15:19] <lfaraone> manusheel: although it's called "turtleart", it really provides the code known as "turtleblocks". I called it TA per Walter's request. We had a few lengthy discussions about this in #sugar.
[15:20] <manusheel> lfaraone: Glad that it has been resolved.
[15:20] <lfaraone> manusheel: moreover, walter feels that turtleartmini (what you mean when you say turtleart) is not really useful to people if TB/TA is available.
[15:20] <manusheel> lfaraone: Ok.
[16:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[16:26] <manusheel> Around?
[16:26] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello
[16:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us discuss on certain bugs in a meeting at 5 mins.
[16:41] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great. We'll complete the activity.
[17:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Any questions on bugs 2154 and 2164?
[17:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2154 in launchpad-foundations "/people/+requestmerge-multiple raises System Error" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2154
[17:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 2164 in launchpad-foundations "Login form should ask for e-mail address only once (heat: 1)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2164
[17:04] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: will work on them in 10 min.
[17:05] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure, Kandarp. They are at bugs.sugarlabs.org.
[17:05] <manusheel> Not, launchpad.
[17:53] <kandarpk> alsroot: can you help me on http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2154
[17:57] <alsroot> kandarpk: well, we need at least get it reproducible, /me has no luck
[17:57] <alsroot> w/o reproducible results it is hard to say something about bug
[17:59] <kandarpk> alsroot: whats causing it ?
[17:59] <alsroot> kandarpk: that's the exact question :)
[18:00] <kandarpk> alsroot: hmmm.
[18:06] <kandarpk> alsroot: any pointers on http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2164
[18:08] <alsroot> kandarpk: thats could be questionable, i.e., it's not mostly not a bug but a feature that should be discussable on mls, anyway it is all time possible to uninstall activity and install previous version
[18:09] <alsroot> imho
[18:11] <alsroot> anyway, installation happens in sugar/src/jarabe/model/bundleregistry.py
[18:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: how should I proceed ?
[18:13] <kandarpk> alsroot: ok.
[18:20] <manusheel> kandarpk: Any issues?
[18:20] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: the cause of first bug is unknown
[18:21] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[18:29]  * dipankar says hello
[18:30] <dipankar> alsroot, good morning. how are you?
[18:30] <alsroot> dipankar: fine, hi
[18:32] <lfaraone> alsroot: did you see tomeu's comment on your fix to the issue with left-click in Metacity?
[18:33] <alsroot> lfaraone: it was already committed
[18:33] <alsroot> *is
[18:34] <lfaraone> alsroot: oh?
[18:34] <lfaraone> ah, I didn't see the comments on the bug bevasue I was not CC'd :X
[18:35] <lfaraone> manusheel: is neeraj nearby?
[18:50] <dipankar> alsroot, I am still working on the register bug
[18:51] <alsroot> dipankar: any progress
[18:51] <alsroot> ?
[18:51] <dipankar> alsroot, I still couldn't get to the code where network portion is there
[18:53] <dipankar> alsroot, I have left the async method for sometime, once i am thorough with the gtk main loop, gio
[18:53] <dipankar> * so that the rectangle doesn't occur
[18:54] <dipankar> alsroot, anybody on #sugar I can ping for the network related code in register
[18:54] <dipankar> ?
[18:54] <alsroot> dipankar: rectangle occurs because gtk main thread is in schoolsever related code
[18:54] <alsroot> dipankar: not sure who is schoolsever maint, try to search on wiki.laptop.org
[18:55] <alsroot> at least schoolsever is not a part of core sugar, it is OLPC service
[18:56]  * alsroot had it in mind when suggested to just hide Register menu item
[18:56] <dipankar> alsroot, then if I put the Register method call in async, then the rectangle won't come up, right?
[18:57] <alsroot> dipankar: yup, but "put the Register method call in async" means make schoolsever aync
[18:57] <alsroot> dipankar: you'd better to contact w/ schoolsever maints then
[18:57] <dipankar> ok
[19:01] <manusheel> dipankar: The maintainer is Martin Langhoff.
[19:02] <manusheel> I'll send you his e-mail address.
[19:02] <dipankar> manusheel, ok
[19:06] <manusheel> lfaraone: Neeraj was working on the deployment side of things for USR and didn't sleep last night. I have asked him to take rest a bit today. He'll be back soon.
[19:07] <lfaraone> manusheel: okay.
[21:13] <satellit_> dfarning Just booted up USR-i386-20100830.iso as CD still only has read......
[21:30] <neeraj> lfaraone: around?
[21:52] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul.
[21:52] <manusheel> Around?
[21:54] <manusheel> mukul: Let us start working on the bugs assigned to you today.
[21:56] <dfarning> satellit_ I believe that neeraj and lfaraone either fixed or are very close to fixing the issue.  From there it take a few days to work through the ubuntu package approval and build system.
[21:57] <neeraj> dfarning: +1
[22:17] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[22:25] <satellit_> dfarning: ctrl alt f5 sudo su  apt-get install sugar* adds most of them
[22:49] <USRsatellit-7eb3> USR 830 on 8GB USB with activiites from apt-get install sugar* IRC -5 from drag-drop
[23:10] <lfaraone> dfarning: we're going to fix that once all the activities we're targeting have been synced over, unless you want us to do two uplads, one for the activities that are avail now and one for the activities that are available later...


[11:17] <mcphail> Hi. Can anyone point me towards the unofficial web interface for the store, please
[11:18] <coin> Hi mcphail: https://uappexplorer.com/
[11:20] <mcphail> coin: cheers
[11:22] <coin> mcphail, have a nice shopping !
[11:36] <coin> Hi there. Seems that OTG does not work on Nexus 4 under unbuntu touch (but works with a patched android kernel). Any pointer to a patch for  the activation of OTG on the ubuntu touch kernel ?
[17:30] <maggots_> any pre built classes for a text box in a html app?
[17:30] <maggots_> can't seem to find much in the docs
[17:46] <maggots_> theme is not displaying on phone for html5 app but display on desktop fine, anyone know what could be the problem here?
[17:51] <dobey> maggots_: you should ask in #ubuntu-app-devel probably. it's a channel specific to developing apps.
[18:02] <Springbank> hi
[18:02] <Springbank> i need some help with syncevolution
[18:02] <Springbank> here my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/CdDF6T5z
[18:03] <Springbank> I can't add an owncloud calendar
[18:04] <Springbank> can you help me?
[19:36] <tzafrir> I'm trying to flush my Nexus5 phone an image from the link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:37] <tzafrir> The process ends OK, but eventually after the system boots, I get an error: "This phone needs restoring from a PC or a service center"
[19:38] <tzafrir> The system seems to be up (accessible through adb shell)
[19:39] <tzafrir> I tried reflashing (hoping this is a transient issue)
[19:39] <tzafrir> But I get the same error
[19:39] <tzafrir> Any idea what I can check next?
[21:00] <TenLeftFingers_> Can someone confirm for me that they get an error when they access my banks url on the browser? https://www.365online.com/online365/spring/authentication?execution=e1s1
[21:00] <TenLeftFingers_> And if so, could you 'me too' the report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1458704


[20:50] <phillw> Hi, is there a bug admin person about? I need to split a bug, as it is actually two different bugs.


[06:55] <infinity> lamont : logwatch not exiting "Just Happens" sometimes, and I really have no idea.  I've seen it on m68k, and I've seen it on the DC buildds a few times.
[06:56] <infinity> lamont : As for the expect bug, while it may be a kernel issue on hppa that makes things worse, expect and tcl8.4 don't play well in general, so doko's right, all arches should just be using expect-tcl8.3


[15:53] <scientes> does the alpha have the new nouveau driver?
[15:53] <scientes> (sub-drver i guess)
[15:53] <scientes> for the nv40 class of cards
[15:54] <scientes> **nv30, mesa driver
[15:54] <scientes> the 2d stuff is working fine, but nvidia prob broken, and i've been waiting for the new nouveau driver
[15:58] <bjsnider> why do you think nvidia is broken?
[15:59] <scientes> *propietary---1 sec
[15:59] <bjsnider> i know what you're referring to, i just would like to know why you think it's broken
[16:00] <scientes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/+bug/964275
[16:00] <scientes> nothing 3d works if i install nvidia
[16:00] <scientes> which was a regression during precise near the end of the cycle, after beta 2
[16:01] <bjsnider> gnome-shell works fine in precise on nvidia
[16:01] <scientes> not with this card
[16:01] <bjsnider> there was a regression on old hardware
[16:01] <scientes> and many others have this card
[16:01] <scientes> and while "old' its not THAT old
[16:02] <scientes> and its nv30, which is why i ask about the new nouveau driver
[16:02] <scientes> bjsnider, yes i know the problem is in the driver
[16:03] <scientes> its just that is the way the crash handler does its blaming
[16:03] <bjsnider> if you say so, sir
[16:04] <scientes> or rather that, gnome-shell works on some hardware still
[16:04] <bjsnider> works great here, but i've got a fermi card
[16:05] <scientes> since wine 3d broke at exACTLY the same time, as did unity-3d, etc............
[16:08] <scientes> oh , looks like new version finially got uploaded to xorg-edgers i might install and reboot and see how it goes
[16:08] <scientes> running unit-2d atm
[16:08] <scientes> w/ nouveau--no point in nvidia w/o 3d
[16:11] <scientes>
[16:11] <scientes> Get:23 http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/ precise/main linux-libc-dev amd64 3.4.0-3.7 [930 kB]
[16:12] <scientes> wow, why does xorg-edgers need to ship linux-libc-dev?
[16:12] <scientes> oh-cause it against newer (back compat) kernels


[00:00] <yofel> devildante: did you ever try to patch a package yet?
[00:00] <devildante> yofel: I didn't change /etc/reportbug.conf :p
[00:00] <devildante> yofel: no :( but I want to learn :)
[00:00] <yofel> oh ^^
[00:01] <yofel> well, if you want to make sure that when running dch -i the changelog uses your correct name and email adress add these lines to your ~/.bashrc (and replace the values with yours :P)
[00:02] <yofel> export DEBFULLNAME='Philip Muskovac'
[00:02] <yofel> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:03] <yofel> (those should match with what you set in your gpg key btw.)
[00:04] <devildante> yofel: thanks for the info :)
[00:05] <yofel> devildante: how does your changelog entry look like actually?
[00:07] <devildante> yofel: "src/commands.c: replaced remaining pauseme reference with vifm-pauseme"
[00:09] <devildante> okay, the bug has been acknowledged :)
[00:10] <yofel> devildante: well, I meant the complete entry, but here's how it should look like in general: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476169/
[00:11] <yofel> the LP: #xxxx will close the bug automatically if the package gets uploaded to the archive
[00:11] <devildante> meh, I didn't put the LP
[00:11] <devildante> but the rest is fine :)
[00:13] <yofel> debian bug 592562 looks fine :)
[00:13] <ubot2> Debian bug 592562 in vifm "vifm: Vifm pause doesn't work when not using screen mode" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/592562
[00:15] <yofel> devildante: now it would be helpful if you could link both bugs on launchpad
[00:18] <yofel> for debian the process is a bit different as that's not an upstream project but a distribution (ask launchpad why it cares about that...) so click on 'Also affects Distribution' select debian and give it the url
[00:18] <devildante> yofel: done :)
[00:19] <devildante> yofel: and I added the "patch-forwarded-debian" tag
[00:20] <yofel> devildante: good, now... what importance ?
[00:20] <devildante> yofel: for the ubuntu package?
[00:20] <yofel> yes
[00:21] <devildante> yofel: I would say medium
[00:21] <bdmurray> wow that's great
[00:22] <bdmurray> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jhead
[00:22] <bdmurray> 2 of the 3 bugs are update requests that are fix released
[00:24] <yofel> devildante: reason?
[00:26] <devildante> yofel: scratch that, low would be best
[00:27] <devildante> "A bug that has a moderate impact on a non-core application"
[00:28] <yofel> agreed
[00:29] <yofel> devildante: so, if you want to get that uploaded to maverick, you'll need a debdiff first (at least that's the way I know)
[00:30] <yofel> you have 2 .dsc files in your parent folder, right?
[00:35] <devildante> yofel: yes
[00:37] <yofel> devildante: ok, then run 'debdiff vifm_0.4-1ubuntu2.dsc vifm_0.4-1ubuntu3.dsc > vifm_0.4-1ubuntu3.debdiff' (maybe adjust the version if neccessary)
[00:37] <yofel> then you'll have the debdiff, can you pastebin it so I can look at it?
[00:38] <devildante> yofel: okay
[00:39] <devildante> yofel: http://pastebin.com/ZG316XDg
[00:41] <yofel> devildante: looks right, only one thing: open it in a text editor and change line 20 so it says '+    pauseme (LP: #615563)'
[00:41] <devildante> yofel: done
[00:42] <yofel> devildante: ok, now attach the debdiff to the bug report (and don't flag it as a patch)
[00:43] <yofel> after that click on 'subscribe someone else', search for 'ubuntu sponsors' and click on 'Ubuntu Sponsors Team'
[00:43] <devildante> yofel: debdiff was attached
[00:44] <devildante> yofel: done :)
[00:44] <yofel> good, now wait until someone respons
[00:44] <yofel> *responds
[00:44] <devildante> yofel: okay, and thanks a lot :)
[00:44] <yofel> np
[00:44] <devildante> ok, gotta go, see ya all :)
[03:03] <hggdh> hum. Email received: Dear sir. I am glad to subscribe to <encryption-related> mailing list to discuss the encription techniques. Currently i am new to encription and keys.
[03:03] <hggdh> does not look promising
[07:52] <drew212> ddecator: hey man, you around?
[07:57] <drew212> micahg: whats the command to run firefox in debugging mode?
[07:58] <drew212> err in gdb*
[08:01] <drew212> nevermind =)
[11:46] <devildante> hi all :)
[12:38] <devildante> can someone triage bug 615490?
[12:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615490 in rox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Pinboard large image backdrop fails to centre properly (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615490
[12:38] <devildante> importance low
[12:38] <bilalakhtar> devildante: me
[12:39] <bilalakhtar> devildante: done
[12:39] <devildante> bilalakhtar: thank you :)
[12:40] <bilalakhtar> devildante: You're welcome
[13:10] <drizzle> hi all
[13:10] <hggdh> holstein: I am here
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:11:57 PM) drizzle1: can someone mark the following bugs as wishlist
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:11:58 PM) jfi_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>entered the room.
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:11:58 PM) drizzle1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/615876
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:12:01 PM) ubot2: Ubuntu bug 615876 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One note to Tomboy fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:12:04 PM) drizzle1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615874
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:12:08 PM) ubot2: Ubuntu bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:13] <drizzle> (05:12:08 PM) drizzle1: please
[13:13] <ubot2> drizzle: Error: Bug #615876 is private.
[13:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615876 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One note to Tomboy fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615876
[13:13] <ubot2> drizzle: Bug 615874 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/615874 is private
[13:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:14] <drizzle> i think they need to be forwarded upstream
[13:16] <om26er> drizzle, no they dont need to be. its thing Ubuntu One team's task
[13:16] <om26er> all the three bugs.
[13:38] <vish> drizzle: done.
[13:41] <vish> drizzle: lol! for those 2 bugs you copy-pasted a lot of lines ;p
[14:50] <devildante> can someone mark bug 614388 as "Won't fix"?
[14:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614388 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Sugar emulator should start in fullscreen mode (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614388
[14:53] <gorilla> devildante: Let em have a look.
[15:02] <gorilla> devildante: Do you know where the template is for a "won't fix" response. I'm 90% asleep :-/
[15:04] <pedro_> devildante, done
[15:04] <devildante> pedro_: thanks :)
[15:04] <devildante> gorilla: I don't think there is one
[15:04] <pedro_> you're welcome
[15:05] <pedro_> gorilla, there's no stock response for won't fix, you need to give a reason and each one is different
[15:06] <gorilla> pedro_: okay.. thanks.
[15:06] <gorilla> oh.. and how can I go from New to won't fix?
[15:07] <gorilla> I suspect that I don't have the permission to do so.
[15:08] <hggdh> gorilla: what is the bug?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> gorilla: you need to be a bug-control member
[15:10] <gorilla> hggdh: bug 614388
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614388 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Sugar emulator should start in fullscreen mode (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614388
[15:10] <gorilla> charlie-tca: I thought it could be something like that. Thanks for the confirmation.
[15:10] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:12] <hggdh> OK, pedro_ already marked it wontfix
[15:12] <pedro_> hggdh, moi moi!
[15:13] <gorilla> nice work pedro_ :-)
[15:16] <devildante> guys, I *think* bug 614206 should be triaged, but I don't know if the importance should be low or medium
[15:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614206 in binutils (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "readelf: fixes for multiple crashes (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614206
[15:17] <micahg> devildante: are you a sugar developer?
[15:17] <devildante> micahg: no
[15:18] <micahg> devildante: well, won't fix is usually reserved for something the developers won't do
[15:19] <devildante> micahg: yeah, sorry for that
[15:19] <micahg> or if someone refuses to stop changing the invalid state
[15:19] <devildante> micahg: should I change it to Invalid?
[15:19] <micahg> devildante: you can't :)
[15:20] <micahg> well, since hggdh and pedro_ thought it should be won't fix for whatever reason :-/, I won't mess with it
[15:20] <gorilla> where's pedro_??
[15:20] <devildante> micahg: argh, you're right :p
[15:21] <pedro_> good things about bugs is that you can always re open those
[15:21] <devildante> micahg: in the future, should I mark as Invalid these kinds of bugs?
[15:21] <pedro_> doing that for you devildante
[15:21] <pedro_> devildante, it was re opened
[15:22] <devildante> pedro: thanks :)
[15:23] <devildante> pedro_: I think I will respond to David Farning
[15:23] <micahg> devildante: maybe have a look at the status document you linked to, please let us know if you feel ambiguous about which status after reading it
[15:23] <devildante> micahg: okay
[15:24] <vish> devildante: hehe , did you know the reported was part of the sugar team? :D
[15:24] <vish> reporter*
[15:24] <devildante> vish: no :P
[15:25] <vish> devildante: yeah , wont fix needs to be used with caution , unless you are the developer or have a comment from the developer it can be left as wishlist
[15:26] <devildante> vish: taken note, thanks :)
[15:26] <vish> devildante: yw :)
[15:27] <devildante> can someone triage bug 614206?
[15:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614206 in binutils (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "readelf: fixes for multiple crashes (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614206
[15:28] <vish> devildante: what importance would you like to set?
[15:28] <devildante> vish: medium, I think
[15:32] <vish> devildante: done. :)
[15:32] <devildante> vish: thanks :)
[15:32] <vish> np...
[15:33] <devildante> I have many thanks in reserve today :p
[15:41] <devildante> who is the upstream for adduser/deluser?
[15:44] <gorilla> devildante: Linux Torvalds? :-P
[15:45] <charlie-tca> As used in the Ubuntu GUI? Should be Ubuntu
[15:45] <devildante> gorilla: :p
[15:46] <gorilla> Linus rather
[15:46] <devildante> charlie-tca: I'm talking about the adduser UNIX command
[15:46] <devildante> see bug 613204
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613204 in adduser (Ubuntu) "deluser: missing linebreak in output (affects: 1) (heat: 491)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613204
[15:47] <charlie-tca> debian
[15:47] <devildante> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[15:47] <charlie-tca> qnp
[15:47] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:01] <devildante> charlie-tca: should I forward the patch to Debian?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I am not up to date on patches. I don't know what the correct prodedure is for that.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> nigelb: Can you help with a patch question? ^^^
[16:06] <nigelb> charlie-tca: just walked in
[16:06] <nigelb> checking
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:09] <nigelb> devildante: charlie-tca was right.  forward the bug and patch to debian.
[16:09] <nigelb> Remember to be "nice"
[16:09] <devildante> nigelb: okay, thanks :)
[16:09] <devildante> charlie-tca: thanks too :)
[16:09] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:10]  * charlie-tca doesn't always know the "right" answer, but usually knows where to find it
[16:10] <charlie-tca> thank you, nigelb
[16:10] <nigelb> charlie-tca: that is also the right answer :p
[16:11] <nigelb> (ie knowing where to find it)
[16:11] <charlie-tca> agreed. Sometimes that is more important than knowing all the answers, too
[16:12] <devildante> hmm, to build adduser, you need po4a, which is apparently not in build-deps. is that a bug?
[16:12] <nigelb> devildante: hm, that's strange.  How did that build in the first place then.
[16:12] <devildante> maybe because the builders had po4a in the first place?
[16:13] <yofel> shouldn't be the case, the buildds have really only the very minimum installed
[16:14] <devildante> here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476482/
[16:14] <nigelb> yeah, mostly just the build deps
[16:17] <devildante> quick look at packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org, and po4a seems to be build-depends-indep. What does that mean?
[16:18] <yofel> build depends for architectrue independent package
[16:18] <yofel> ok, the package built fine in maverick pbuilder
[16:18] <nigelb> devildante: what pbuilder did you try? maverick or lucid or debian unstable?
[16:19] <devildante> nigelb: I ran debuild -S
[16:19] <yofel> devildante: sudo apt-get build-dep didn't pull it in?
[16:19] <devildante> as mentioned in wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[16:19] <devildante> yofel: no
[16:19] <yofel> let me try
[16:19] <yofel> hm, right, it doesn't ..
[16:20] <yofel> apt-get bug?
[16:20] <yofel> mvo: ^
[16:20] <drizzle> hi all
[16:20] <yofel> hi drizzle
[16:20] <devildante> yofel: that's beyond my capabilities :p
[16:20] <devildante> hi drizzle :)
[16:20] <nigelb> yofel: we may have hit an apt bug.
[16:21] <mvo> yofel: hello, missed the context
[16:21] <nigelb> yofel: I just did apt-get build-dep and it did pull it
[16:21] <devildante> mvo: po4a is build-dep of adduser, but doesn't get pulled by apt-get build-dep
[16:21] <nigelb> The following NEW packages will be installed: cvs gettext intltool-debian libmail-sendmail-perl libsgmls-perl libsp1c2 libsys-hostname-long-perl po-debconf po4a sp
[16:21] <yofel> mvo: running apt-get build-dep adduser doesn't get the po4a package which is an build-dep-indep for adduser - thus debuild fails
[16:22] <devildante> nigelb: weird...
[16:22] <yofel> it get's pulled in in a chroot though o.O (pbuilder log http://paste.ubuntu.com/476483/)
[16:22] <nigelb> devildante: truely wierd.
[16:23] <yofel> oh wait, apt-get build-dep adduser -> FAIL | aptitude build-dep adduser -> po4a is installed
[16:23] <mvo> devildante: could you file a bug please? maybe a regression from the recent apt merge from experimental
[16:24] <devildante> aptitude output: The following NEW packages will be installed:
[16:24] <devildante>   po4a
[16:24] <devildante> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[16:24] <devildante>   dkms{u} fceux{u} gir1.0-freedesktop{u} gnash{u} gnash-common{u}
[16:24] <devildante>   libboost-date-time1.40.0{u} libboost-thread1.40.0{u}
[16:24] <devildante>   libmono-getoptions2.0-cil{u} libmpcdec3{u} libtorrent-rasterbar5{u}
[16:24] <devildante>   linux-headers-2.6.35-10{u} linux-headers-2.6.35-10-generic{u}
[16:24] <devildante> mvo: should I file a bug in ubuntu or debian?
[16:24] <mvo> devildante: debian is fine as well, make sure you metnion that its the experimental version of apt
[16:24] <devildante> mvo: okay
[16:25] <nigelb> yofel: um, it orked okay for me in lucid.
[16:25] <devildante> mvo: so I file a bug in both launchpad and debian tracker?
[16:25] <yofel> then it's maverick and apt-get from experimental I guess
[16:26] <mvo> yeah, probably fallout from the experimental merge
[16:27] <mvo> there was quite a bit of churn in the code, loads and loads of good stuff, but some fallout is unavoidable I guess
[16:35] <devildante> mvo: what importance on the debian tracker should I put?
[16:37] <devildante> mvo: I guess "does-not-build"?
[16:42] <devildante> okay, bug was sent on debian :)
[16:43] <devildante> should I report it in launchpad?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Normally, yes
[16:52] <charlie-tca> and add the debian bug number, if you have it
[16:52] <devildante> charlie-tca: okay
[16:52] <devildante> debian bug 592628 :)
[16:52] <ubot2> Debian bug 592628 in apt ""apt-get build-dep adduser" does not install all build-deps" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/592628
[16:59] <ashams> hello vish:
[16:59] <vish> ashams: hey
[16:59] <devildante> all right, bug reported on lp
[16:59] <devildante> thank you all :)
[17:00] <vish> gnome Bug 626593
[17:00] <ubot2> Gnome bug 626593 in User Guide "Gnome ate my boyfriend! Help!" [Critical,Resolved: invalid] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593
[17:00] <Pici> ohno
[17:00] <ashams> vish: You have just assigned a Mentor for me, but I'm affraid that I can't find about him.
[17:00] <vish> ashams: he'll mail you as soon as possible.. :)
[17:01] <Pici> bug 100000
[17:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[17:01] <ashams> ok that's great, thanx
[17:02] <bdmurray> jibel: bug 321093 doesn't seem package specific does it?
[17:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 321093 in mp3info (Ubuntu) "package mp3info 0.8.5a-1 failed to install/upgrade: fork fehlgeschlagen: Cannot allocate memory (heat: 5)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321093
[17:03] <vish> Pici: gnome bug 100000 is also kinda similar! ;)
[17:03] <ubot2> Gnome bug 100000 in general "Gnome is full of bugs ! (100000 currently)" [Trivial,Resolved: notabug] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100000
[17:04] <charlie-tca> devildante: thanks for helping
[17:04] <Pici> bdmurray: I wouldn't think so.
[17:04] <devildante> bdmurray: from the log, it seems that the bug affects multiple packages
[17:05] <Pici> I was just going to say that.
[17:05] <devildante> bdmurray: so not package specific
[17:05] <devildante> charlie-tca: you're welcome :)
[17:12] <devildante> can someone triage bug 613204?
[17:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613204 in adduser (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "deluser: missing linebreak in output (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613204
[17:12] <devildante> importance low
[17:13] <charlie-tca> done
[17:17] <devildante> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[17:27] <holstein> hggdh: THANKS
[17:28]  * holstein is just getting moving
[17:28] <holstein> i gotta run out and do some stuff today
[17:28] <holstein> i'll try and bother you soon though
[17:35] <devildante> Can I seek sponsorship for a patch that is not mine?
[17:35] <bdmurray> surely
[17:36] <devildante> bdmurray: thanks :)
[18:15] <devildante> Should I remove ubuntu-review team when subscribing ubuntu-sponsors to a bug?
[18:15] <maco> i think so, but ask in #ubuntu-reviews
[18:18] <devildante> maco: okay
[18:31] <nigelb> devildante: yes you should.
[18:31] <nigelb> if you're not able to, let me know.  I'll remove it for ya.
[18:31] <devildante> nigelb: thanks :)
[18:32] <devildante> nigelb: I can't :(
[18:32] <devildante> nigelb: it's bug 582797
[18:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582797 in ldapscripts (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/ldapscripts/runtime.debian in Ubuntu should use /etc/ldap.conf (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582797
[18:34] <nigelb> devildante: done.
[18:34] <nigelb> devildante: I *think* you can bug maco and vish about unsubscribig too :D
[18:34] <nigelb> talk of the devil!
[18:35] <nigelb> devildante: (and yofel too :D)
[18:35] <devildante> vish: do you know if I should remove ubuntu-review team when subscribing ubuntu-sponsors to a bug?
[18:36] <devildante> nigelb: *super-secret voice* (yes, him too :p)
[18:36] <vish> devildante: is nigelb testing me? :)
[18:37] <vish> devildante: or are you really asking?..
[18:37] <devildante> vish: real question :)
[18:38] <vish> devildante: the review workflow is a complex one, but i dont really unsubscribe the team , just set the appropriate tag as required
[18:39] <devildante> vish: this is an ubuntu specific bug, what should I put?
[18:40] <vish> devildante: depends, waiting for the sponsors also works or ping the concerned team
[18:40] <devildante> vish: well, guess I'll just wait :p
[18:40] <devildante> vish: and thank you :)
[18:40] <vish> devildante: np.. :)
[19:57] <nin> pedro_: hello
[19:58] <nin> pedro_: sorry, today i can't, i'm far away from my pc
[20:35] <Darxus> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ is broken.
[20:36] <Pici> Yes.
[21:15] <devildante> can someone triage bug 597653?
[21:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 597653 in hal-info (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add support for Dell Streak. (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597653
[21:15] <devildante> importance wishlist
[21:16] <seb128> devildante, that should probably be closed since that's deprecated nowadays
[21:17] <devildante> seb128: okay
[21:17] <devildante> seb128: could we "convert" the patch to a non-deprecated package?
[21:18] <devildante> seb128: like udisks
[21:19] <seb128> I guess somebody would need to check first if that's still an issue there
[21:19] <seb128> ie would be nice to know what issue the patch fixes
[21:19] <seb128> could be media-player-info
[21:19] <seb128> that needs a similar change
[21:19] <seb128> or that could be fixed in the udisks world
[21:21] <devildante> it seems it adds USB mass storage support to the Dell streak
[21:21] <devildante> pretty simple patch
[21:25] <seb128> is that not working in the udisks world?
[21:25] <devildante> I don't know, I'm not an udisks developer :p
[21:26] <seb128> well ask on the bug if you want to triage it
[21:33] <devildante> seb128: meh, doesn't seem to be a popular bug
[21:33] <devildante> seb128: plus, I just closed it :p
[21:33] <seb128> heh
[21:36] <njin> pedro_: around ?
[21:38] <pedro_> njin, sort of a bit busy at the moment though
[21:44] <kangarooo> i have crash but i didnt see anything crash. linux-image-2.6.35-14-generic.96860.crash
[21:45] <kangarooo> but i cant report it. after series of answers it gives do i want to post to kernelops and then after yes it gathers data and gives error Crash file is injured or something. and IOError(13, 'Permission denied')
[21:48] <yofel> ah, that file was created as root and you'll need to run apport  as root too to access it (I *think* - at least that's the easiest workaround)
[21:53] <kangarooo> yofel: at first it opened as user then it in middle of it (after od before questions) asked for pass. ill try to execute from terminal with sudo
[21:54] <micahg> yofel: why not just chown it to one's own user so bug submission works?
[21:54] <yofel> oh right, that should work too
[21:54] <micahg> otherwise Firefox will have issues :)
[21:56] <yofel> oh right ^^
[21:57] <kangarooo> hmm strange it worked. why when it asked for passw it didnt run as sudo..
[22:44] <hggdh> there are things here: (1) apport automatic processing (the crash icon on the panel) -- it will ask for the password and will run as root;
[22:44] <hggdh> (2) manually running apport -- it will *not* ask for password
[22:46] <hggdh> also, if apport-gtk was not run, the crash report is incomplete
[22:47] <hggdh> (or apport-kde, as it may)
[23:27] <MichealH> Hi. I am part of the bug squad on Launchpad but somehow I cant Triage bugs. Why?
[23:28] <MichealH> Anyone?
[23:29] <micahg> MichealH: setting bugs to triaged is a function of bug control, you can request bugs to be set in here
[23:30] <MichealH> Ahh Okay but doesn't applying for BugControl mean triaging 5 bugs?
[23:30] <micahg> MichealH: it means triaging a lot more than 5, you just show 5 in the app
[23:31] <MichealH> Yeah, I know
[23:31] <micahg> MichealH: like I said, you can request it to be set in here, the triaged status tells developers there's something to look at here, so it's restricted
[23:31] <MichealH> Does it mean you had gotten someone to triage the bugs?
[23:32] <micahg> MichealH: no, it means ready for a dev to work on it (i.e. has all necessary info)
[23:32] <MichealH> Yeah
[23:32] <nisshh> MichealH: triaging is much more than just setting a bug to triaged :)
[23:32] <MichealH> I read the guide
[23:34] <MichealH> Do you prefer bugs triaging suggestions. In batch or one by one? It's just
[23:34] <MichealH> ... I browse alot
[23:35] <MichealH> Thanks anyway for clearing it up.  Read the guide, but does not seem to have understood it.
[23:43] <hggdh> Or are we too dense?
[23:45] <micahg> hggdh: no, I think we're ok
[23:46] <hggdh> ah well