[00:00] <tormod> 7.6 is more stable (in the non-crashing sense) than 7.4 here, finally those radeon lock-ups disappeared
[00:01] <tormod> for instance google-earth was locking up the machine quite often in stock jaunty (and intrepid and...)
[00:02] <Sarvatt> you dont have the radeon_validate_bo assertion problems anymore? alot of other people do
[00:02] <Sarvatt> i guess its ok when you have libdrm-radeon1
[00:03] <tormod> no that got fixed for me (the compiz crasher). the others are playing sauerbraten :)
[00:03] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22438
[00:03] <tormod> no I am talking DRI1 here
[00:04] <tormod> last time I tried sauerbraten it could not even start, but that was a few releases back
[00:04] <tormod> and I would take a few assertion crashes over having the machine lock up :)
[00:06] <tormod> lock-ups are probably under-reported. there's usually no log/debug information to find, and many people are used to it from other or older OSes
[00:06] <Sarvatt> tormod: think this is going to fix the osmesa build problems? http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/lib/mesa.git;a=blobdiff;f=debian/patches/04_osmesa_version.diff;h=68c3db0a3e45f765c466d9c3e1666696e281b6c6;hp=108916c675c448e42478b1dca3aa4da9e87ecba9;hb=ec4c889266934372b158bf54cddb8ea99c82ad8b;hpb=c84a384fdfdbaae61d91f9ba632b1df391dc28af
[00:07] <Sarvatt> (we've been dropping 04_osmesa entirely since the build changes)
[00:07] <tormod> hmm there was an -install option in there?
[00:10] <Sarvatt> looks like it will to me :D if anything i'll add 04_osmesa_version.diff entirely from the debian patch so i can keep using origin/ubuntu because the things built are so different
[00:10] <tormod> this is a patch of a patch... it's hard to read .:)
[00:10] <Sarvatt> in a hook
[00:11] <tormod> well you don't want that 6.5.3 hardcoded
[00:11] <Sarvatt> ahh yeah maybe not looking at the full patch
[00:11] <Sarvatt> (was looking at the patch to the patch too lol)
[00:12] <Sarvatt> how about changing the install to  cd $(DEB_BUILD_DIR)/$* && sleep 5 && $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp install
[00:13] <Sarvatt> -j1 didnt work
[00:13] <tormod> seems like that patch is just about refreshing the patch to applu
[00:13] <tormod> *apply
[00:13] <Sarvatt> yeah it is, full thing just changes the version
[00:14] <Sarvatt> i dont know why thats done at all
[00:14] <tormod> I don't think that sleep will help, because everything will run at the same time afterwards
[00:16] <tormod> I just don't get why things run in parallel when using -j1
[00:26] <Sarvatt> jbarnes: Zorael just confirmed the fix worked for him too so thats everyone I spoke to that had the dpms off hangs, good job on that patch and thanks :D
[00:37] <jbarnes> Sarvatt: yay
[00:55]  * maxb chuckles at bryce's xorg/fbdev patch naming :-)
[00:58] <Sarvatt> thats the actual patch name from fedora :D http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=aef6b904ebf0d7de6259058606c7c04ea177bda3
[01:16] <Sarvatt> bryce, i dont know if it helps any but https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Esarvatt/+archive/bugs/+sourcepub/658955/+listing-archive-extra
[01:36] <bryce> Sarvatt, I *think* I've got the patches all in correctly now
[01:37] <bryce> Sarvatt, I'll review your merge
[01:37] <Sarvatt> the orig.tar.gz is the upstream tarball, 04_osmesa_version.diff is the updated one from debian that was needed
[01:37] <bryce> Sarvatt, are there bugs in launchpad that will be fixed by this upload?  We should probably reference the bugs from the changelog if so
[01:39] <Sarvatt> yeah, quite alot i imagine
[01:40] <Sarvatt> so many fixes between 7.4.1 and 7.4.4
[01:40] <Sarvatt> doesnt help they are attributed to the individual drivers so its hard to look up on launchpad
[01:42] <bryce> yeah
[01:42] <Sarvatt> is it smart enough to close bugs that have the upstream reports linked to fdo bugs?
[01:42] <bryce> no not that smart
[01:42] <bryce> so if those fdo/deb#'s have corresponding lp#'s, we'd need to insert those
[01:46] <bryce> Sarvatt, I can take care of doing this
[01:57] <Sarvatt> if i come up with any i'll let ya know, taking a look around
[02:01] <bryce> ok cool
[02:01] <bryce> I'm going through bugs marked "fixed upstream"
[02:01] <bryce> most were fixed upstream well before 7.4.1 :-.
[02:12] <Sarvatt> if something was reported against jaunty, but fixed in 7.4.1, what should I do? noticed a few fixed already in karmic
[02:15] <Sarvatt> well cant say for sure it was fixed in 7.4.1 for this one actually, would need a backtrace with dbg info, but they added a null pointer check to glXGetFBConfigs() that fixed glxinfo in 7.4.1 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/356832
[02:16] <bryce> if it's fixed in karmic, you can close the bug as fixed and we consider it done
[02:17] <bryce> there are rare circumstances where we might do an SRU backport for a fix, like if it is extraordinarily prevalent, extremely serious, and the patch is nearly guaranteed to be regression-free
[02:18] <bryce> however, mesa tends to be a bit fragile, and even innocuous looking patches often prove to have side effects we don't notice until it's rolled out
[02:18] <bryce> what I sometimes do
[02:19] <bryce> I'll mark the bug fixed, but open a Jaunty task, and comment "If anyone feels like filing an SRU on this, the fix looks like it might be backportable, but I haven't plans to do it myself."
[02:20] <bryce> in theory, if we magically got everything fixed in karmic and wanted to put time into doing jaunty backports, we could query for viable backport candidate bugs
[02:24] <Sarvatt> wow quite alot of bugs for that problem actually
[02:28] <Sarvatt> it hits nvidia binary drivers alot, complains about missing glx implementation and segfaults
[02:29] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?h=mesa_7_4_branch&id=d2f67910629d7f9b00ba127f2e869f02a72306d2
[02:29] <Sarvatt> but its just glxinfo..
[02:29] <bryce> Sarvatt, btw where did you see that debian had 7.4.4 packaged?
[02:30] <bryce> oh yeah I've seen that one before
[02:30] <Sarvatt> debian-unstable
[02:30] <Sarvatt> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/lib/mesa.git;a=summary
[02:30] <bryce> if you can confirm that's fixed, you can probably get tons of karma closing all of those bugs ;-)
[02:31] <Sarvatt> would that be something worth SRUing? its just glxinfo but apparently alot of things call glxinfo to check capabilities
[02:31] <bryce> Sarvatt, ok, with the 7.4.4 merge you posted, was that off of debian's stuff, or is it one you merged yourself using the upstream tarball directly?
[02:31] <Sarvatt> i did it from the upstream tarball directly
[02:31] <bryce> I'd need to look at the patch...  if it looks innocuous enough, maybe
[02:31] <bryce> aha ok
[02:32] <Sarvatt> debian builds alot of stuff we dont so i thought it'd be better that way instead of doing it from git and altering everything, did it with the debian from your 1ubuntu4 release
[02:32] <Sarvatt> (thats why i saw 111 wasnt enabled)
[02:33] <bryce> a couple of notes when doing upstream merges,
[02:33] <bryce> for numbering you should use -0ubuntu1, so that if debian puts out a -1 we can upgrade to it
[02:34] <Sarvatt> ah i just bumped it from what it was currently
[02:34] <Sarvatt> was wondering about that
[02:35] <bryce> also, when we take this approach there is one downside, and that is our orig.tar.gz's usually differ, so we end up needing to do fakesyncs after that.  They're not hard, just an extra step
[02:35] <bryce> that's one of the reasons we usually prefer to merge from debian rather than just roll it ourselves
[02:36] <bryce> probably not a big deal here since we're probably going to grab 7.5 soon anyway
[02:40] <bryce> so....
[02:40] <Sarvatt> yeah its the final 7.4 release unless some super major bug hits (like compiz not being able to start was)
[02:40] <Sarvatt> understood though
[02:40] <bryce> I think we should wait until 7.4.4-1 is out officially, and then merge from debian
[02:41] <bryce> we've got plenty of time until alpha-3
[02:43] <bryce> I can roll in your fix for 379797 in the meantime though
[02:56] <bryce> ...uploaded
[03:04] <Sarvatt> shoot, cant upload something for jaunty-proposed to a PPA
[03:04] <Sarvatt> should I just change it to jaunty for the PPA but leave it jaunty-proposed in the debdiff?
[03:05] <bryce> yep
[03:07] <Sarvatt> there are over 25 bugs duped to this one and its such a little safe fix i figured it might be worth the time https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/256021
[03:16] <Sarvatt> hits people with nvidia binary drivers installed that arent using nvidia too, compiz and screensavers check glxinfo for support apparently (probably others too) so the segfaults arent as innocuous as i would have thought
[03:22] <bryce> wow
[03:22] <bryce> Sarvatt, are you familiar with the SRU process?
[03:23] <Sarvatt> no, sorry I winged it :(
[03:23] <bryce> there's some paperwork associated with it, I can take care of that for you, unless you'd like to go through it with my guidance?
[03:25] <Sarvatt> it would be useful to know but I can go over the wiki again to see what I missed (guessing subscribing a list to it?) or do I need to become a ubuntu member to do it?
[03:32] <Sarvatt> wow
[03:32] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/257600
[03:32] <Sarvatt> theres ANOTHER bug with 31 duplicates thats the same thing
[03:32] <Sarvatt> i thought i was replying in the same bug
[03:33] <Sarvatt> now that was confusing
[03:34] <Sarvatt> shoot! I forgot to add the LP closer to the changelog!
[03:35] <Sarvatt> when adding 2 bugs, (LP #foo) (LP #foo2) or (LP #foo, foo2)?
[03:39] <RAOF> Oh!  I see we have libdrm 2.4.11.  When did that happen?
[03:40] <Sarvatt> month or so ago
[03:40] <Sarvatt> nouveau needs post 2.4.11 stuff though
[03:40] <RAOF> Yeah, I know.
[03:40] <RAOF> But that's a simple patch away.
[03:43] <RAOF> Incidentally, you could undoubtedly use the nouveau-kernel-source package I just pushed to the nouveau-kms PPA to do the same thing for radeon-kms, if you felt like not building entire kernel trees there.
[03:43] <bryce>  (LP: #foo, #foo2) is the right syntax
[03:45] <bryce> Sarvatt, no permissions needed for doing the SRU stuff, it's mainly just writing a report in the description field, to discuss regression potential and stuff
[03:45] <bryce> Sarvatt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates has the complete directions
[03:45] <bryce> the 'Procedure' section is the main thing to look at
[03:48] <bryce> Sarvatt, see bug #368049 as an example of how to fill out a bug's description for filing as an SRU
[04:06] <RAOF> There we go.  Shiny new nouveau in xorg-edgers.
[04:07]  * Sarvatt cheers
[04:07] <RAOF> With a little backporting of libdrm-nouveau patches, this could happily go in Karmic.
[04:08] <RAOF> (Now that we don't need to replace the whole kernel :))
[04:13] <Sarvatt> dunno why they didnt bump it to 2.4.12 yet, especially with the libdrm-radeon1 changes now too
[04:13] <Sarvatt> it seems the releases are based on intel api updates only :)
[04:29] <bryce> RAOF, kewl
[04:31] <RAOF> bryce: Would you like me to whip up a libdrm revision adding the necessary libdrm-novueau patches in alioth git?
[04:34] <RAOF> Simply pull in 4 git revisions, inculding 2 nouveau.ko interface breaks ;)
[04:38] <Sarvatt> the symbol updates needed are in edgers libdrm too
[04:44] <RAOF> Yeah.
[05:17] <Sarvatt> well thats not pretty http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa
[05:17] <Sarvatt> oh was giving a repository not found error for a second there
[05:18] <Sarvatt> ahh need the trailing / now, my old link stopped working
[05:57] <Sarvatt> RAOF: copied them into edgers too, thought ya uploaded it there :D
[05:57] <Sarvatt> we dont really need the nouveau-kms PPA since you went and did that
[06:00] <Sarvatt> ack nouveau-kernel-source is i386 only? that going to cause problems since it'll pull nouveau-kernel-source from karmic on lpia and x64?
[06:19] <Sarvatt> wow
[06:19] <Sarvatt> Status: 	Currently building
[06:19] <Sarvatt> Queued: 	12 hours ago
[06:19] <Sarvatt> Started: 	12 hours ago
[06:20] <Sarvatt> big difference compared to i386 Finished:  	 8 hours ago  (took 3 hours, 9 minutes, 31.8 seconds)
[14:01] <hyperair> ohoho .31-rc1 is out =D
[15:04] <walterheck> hello, i am an utter x-noob. I have a feeling x is not picking up my video driver, as xorg.conf seems very empty
[15:05] <walterheck> the section device only has one line in it: Identifier"Configured Video Device"
[15:05] <walterheck> i'm on jaunty and I have an intel X3100
[15:13] <hyperair> Sarvatt: i managed to get the sarvatt5 kernel to work correctly with modesetting.
[15:14] <hyperair> Sarvatt: turns out the offending part was the lines in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (1915, intel_agp, and one more, which i've forgotten)
[15:14] <hyperair> heheh
[18:37] <jbarnes> Sarvatt: ouch, package deps don't seem to be tracked properly so my gfx stack got hosed
[19:23] <Sarvatt> jbarnes: what happened?
[19:23] <jbarnes> I updated libgl
[19:23] <jbarnes> which didn't automatically pull in libgl-dri or xserver-xorg-core (for the libdri2.so module)
[19:23] <jbarnes> so dri2 failed to init
[19:26] <Sarvatt> oh you manually tried to install mesa without using the whole PPA?
[19:27] <jbarnes> I used apt
[19:31] <Sarvatt> i dont quite understand, were you using edgers in the first place and an update screwed up? or did you just add it to your sources.list and only tried to install mesa and not do a full apt-get upgrade?
[19:34] <jbarnes> ah that must have been it
[19:34] <jbarnes> I just used install and figured it would take care of things
[19:36] <Sarvatt> ahhh yeah apt-get upgrade would have brought everything in at once, i guess i could start making the depends more strict so that doesnt happen in there
[19:55] <jbarnes_> Sarvatt: sorry I missed that... my machine hung during dist-upgrade
[20:43] <Sarvatt> libgl1-mesa-dri is pulled in by a ubuntu metapackage and that gets upgraded right if you just do a apt-get upgrade, some individual mesa things like libgl1-mesa-glx dont depend on it because not everyone wants dri (like non linux arches that debian supports)
[20:43] <jbarnes> Sarvatt, ok
[20:44] <Sarvatt> you probably just had the old libgl1-mesa-dri hanging around messing things up after that
[20:45] <Sarvatt> woohoo aspire one fan control made it into 2.6.31
[20:45] <Sarvatt> jbarnes: did you get it working now?
[20:45] <jbarnes> yeah I'm back up
[20:45] <jbarnes> with the latest bits + kms
[20:45] <jbarnes> yay
[20:53] <Sarvatt> whoa whats this Building armel build of eglibc 2.10.1-0ubuntu1~ppa6 in ubuntu karmic RELEASE [doko/toolchain]
[20:53] <Sarvatt> arm supported on PPAs now?? now i just need a darn arm netbook :)
[20:53] <maxb> Sarvatt: doko has a special ppa for testing toolchain builds
[20:53] <bryce> Sarvatt, yeah I noticed that too
[20:54] <Sarvatt>  	Building armel build of thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS>+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~ppa1 in ubuntu karmic RELEASE [mcasadevall/ppa]
[20:54] <Sarvatt> yeah i know about his toolchain PPA, i use it on all my machines
[21:01] <Sarvatt> hmm well downgrading to mesa 7.4.1 from 7.6 built against dri2proto 2.1 isnt working for me, maybe i need to restart x
[21:03] <jbarnes> Sarvatt: does the current edgers mesa have the memory leak fixes?
[21:03] <Sarvatt> yep!
[21:03] <jbarnes> oh good
[21:03] <jbarnes> we'll see how bad this gets
[21:03] <Sarvatt> i was cherry picking them from 7.5 branch for the few days it wasnt in master even
[21:03] <jbarnes> cool
[21:04] <jbarnes> looks like I'm up to 600+M of gem objects so far though
[21:04] <Sarvatt> wow
[21:05] <Sarvatt> i'm using compiz and i'm at 138MB after 29 hours uptime..
[21:05] <jbarnes> not bad
[21:05] <Sarvatt> that doesnt seem right
[21:05] <Sarvatt> did i not enable compiz lol
[21:06] <Sarvatt> nope compiz is on
[21:06] <Sarvatt> wow thats amazingly low...
[21:06] <jbarnes> my 945 machine is pretty low too
[21:06] <Sarvatt> i usually would be hovering around 500MB
[21:06] <jbarnes> hasn't been up long though
[21:06] <jbarnes> my g45 however... :(
[21:06] <Sarvatt> errr
[21:06] <Sarvatt> robert    6528  0.4  0.9  46628 14312 tty1     S+   Jun23  12:38 metacity --replace
[21:07] <Sarvatt> looks like im not using compiz, no wonder
[21:07] <Sarvatt> DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace is still running on VT1, guess it fell back to metacity somewhere
[21:08] <jbarnes> I always leave wobbly windows on so I can tell :
[21:08] <jbarnes> :)\
[21:08] <jbarnes> ah typing fail
[21:09] <Sarvatt> would say it must have crashed and fell back to metacity somewhere, but it wouldnt have released the gem objects so i dont think it was ever running. just starting compiz put its over 300mb
[21:14] <Sarvatt> somethings really screwed up on xserver master with compiz
[21:16] <Sarvatt> ahh maybe its http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=3020b1d43e34fca08cd51f7c7c8ed51497d49ef3 need to update things
[21:22]  * Sarvatt goes back to using mutter instead for GL compositing
[21:32] <Sarvatt> compiz is for sure running now and i have been opening/closing firefox with 15 tabs in a script for 20 minutes -- 158302208 object bytes
[21:35] <Sarvatt> maybe i should do some window wobbling to fill it up :)
[21:36] <Sarvatt> since when do gem objects go down
[21:36] <Sarvatt> turned on wobbly and it dropped 20MB
[21:42] <bryce> huh
[21:43] <Sarvatt> must be part of the memory leak fixes from mesa and i didnt notice it until just now, it never used to go down ever
[21:46] <Sarvatt> actually discarding objects now, hovering around 900
[21:48] <jbarnes> who should I harass about getting openconnect* included in ubuntu?
[21:48] <jbarnes> it's in debian unstable apparently...
[21:50] <Sarvatt> i see a bug requesting it https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openconnect/+bug/388026
[21:52] <jbarnes> ah cool
[21:53] <Sarvatt> wait
[21:53] <Sarvatt> robert@ubuntu-9{/opt/source/xorg-pkg-tools}:aptitude search openconnect
[21:53] <Sarvatt> p   openconnect                                                   - Open client for Cisco AnyConnect VPN
[21:53] <jbarnes> need networkmanager-openconnect too
[21:53] <Sarvatt> ahh
[21:53] <Sarvatt> openconnect (0.98-2) unstable; urgency=low
[21:53] <Sarvatt>   * Disable the GTK+ UI, so that Network Manager support works.
[21:54] <jbarnes> hah
[21:54] <Sarvatt> it has network manager support with it
[21:54] <Sarvatt> 2.01 in karmic
[21:55] <Sarvatt> just grabbed the source
[21:55] <Sarvatt>         mkdir --parents $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/lib/NetworkManager
[21:55] <Sarvatt>         mv $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/libexec/nm-openconnect-auth-dialog $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/lib/NetworkManager
[21:55] <Sarvatt> are you using jaunty?
[21:55] <jbarnes> karmic
[21:56] <Sarvatt> # We don't enable the GTK+ UI because it conflicts with Network Manager.  If
[21:56] <Sarvatt> # this turns out to be a problem in the future so we'll have to build two
[21:56] <Sarvatt> # packages I guess.
[21:56] <jbarnes> I'll try it out
[23:50] <Sarvatt> anyone have nvidia binary drivers compiling under 2.6.31-rc1?
[23:53] <Sarvatt> ah found a patch but nvnews forums are taking a year to load
[23:57] <bryce> Sarvatt, they won't compile until Nvidia puts out new drivers
[23:57] <bryce> or at least, they won't work
[23:57] <bryce> same with fglrx
[23:58] <bryce> has 2.6.31* been uploaded to karmic now?
[23:59] <Sarvatt> theres a patch to fix it that people have working, went through the same deal when i was using 2.6.30-rc1 that took awhile to get into the official drivers
[23:59] <Sarvatt> nope not yet, guessing it wont be for awhile since so many drivers fail to build against it now


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[00:00] <freeroute> that would seriously make the life a lot less hellish
[00:00] <phillw> freeroute: what size is the USB stick?
[00:00] <freeroute> phillw: 16gb
[00:00] <phillw> freeroute: how much of that can you spare for the system?
[00:02] <freeroute> phillw: you mean installing lubuntu on my USB stick? It's an option, but as of now I can choose between a few distro's which I've loaded using YUMI
[00:02] <phillw> what are you using for the Live system's persistance?
[00:02] <freeroute> phillw: oh YUMI doesn't do persistence (yet) :(
[00:03] <phillw> freeroute: now you have lost me. On what system are using live lubuntu?
[00:04] <freeroute> phillw: I'm using it basically like a liveCD, but I've booted it from a USBstick
[00:04] <freeroute> and I've loaded the image onto the stick using YUMI
[00:05] <phillw> I've never heard of YUMI, sorry. Is that from pendrivelinux people?
[00:07] <freeroute> phillw: yup, SARDU is another one, and it does handle persistence iirc
[00:08] <freeroute> also, I think I discovered that htop (or top) doesn't have the function like the Lubuntu Task Manager to "Show memory used by cache as free"
[00:08] <phillw> freeroute: I've never set a pen drive up as multi-boot. The guys at pendrivelinux are pretty darn good. I'm sure if you post a question there they will answer. I can get instructions as to how to copy the existing casper onto a hard drive, make a larger one and then copy it back. But that is about it.
[00:10] <freeroute> phillw: cool, I think SARDU wanted to support that somewhere in the future (long time since I tried to use it), so I might also look there first.
[00:10] <phillw> freeroute: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7203866&postcount=2
[00:11] <freeroute> phillw: oooh yeah I remember reading this one time
[00:12] <freeroute> thanks for bringing this up, I remember thinking that I was too noob to pull something off because at that time I was a windows-only user hehe
[00:12] <phillw> well, you may like to read the entire thread, as it also says about copying to hard-drive as a backup.
[00:13] <freeroute> and in windows at that time there was no option to make the casper-rw file larger
[00:13] <phillw> yvw
[05:02] <gordon1234> Hi, just downgrades from Ubuntu 11.10 to lubuntu 11.10 ... trying to use Sylpheed instead of Thurderbird ... can it use Google Contact and Google Calendar?
[12:30] <Silverlion> hey phillw
[12:30] <phillw> hi Silverlion
[12:30] <Silverlion> may i have your attention?
[12:30] <phillw> sure
[13:02] <giuseppe60> hello
[13:16] <giuseppe60> it is true that to improve navigation on the Internet, you must disable IPV 6?
[13:16] <head_victim> Not in all cases.
[13:18] <giuseppe60> I recently installed Lubuntu on a PC Pentium 4 CPU, 1500 Mgh, 1GB RAM
[13:20] <giuseppe60> I installed chromium, korqueror, operates, but the openings of the web pages are not fast
[13:21] <head_victim> It could be related to ipv6 but unless you know what you're doing troubleshooting that can be difficult.
[13:21] <head_victim> I'd also be looking at running the command "top" in a terminal when you're opening these pages to see if it's maxing out your hardware. Some pages have lots of extra stuff on it which can chug down slower CPUs.
[13:23] <giuseppe60> can to try?
[13:24] <giuseppe60> Ubuntu was a little heavy for my pc
[13:24] <head_victim> I can imagine it would be a little heavy. Those specs are very basic.
[13:31] <giuseppe60> head_victim,  Then you say you better leave it like?
[13:32] <head_victim> giuseppe60: I guess I'm saying I personally don't know enough to assist troubleshooting via IRC. You might have some luck with google.
[13:35] <giuseppe60> head_victim,   forget it: Thanks, I'm not lucky in google
[13:36] <head_victim> giuseppe60: ah well hopefully someone who knows ipv6 better will be along
[13:36] <head_victim> Personally I'd still be checking out the command "top" to make sure it's nto a hardware bottleneck as well thouh
[13:36] <head_victim> !top
[13:43] <giuseppe60> head_victim,       Since you are an expert deduce something?                                                                http://paste.ubuntu.com/831365/
[13:55] <phillw> giuseppe60: thanks, got that one. Now can you launch Chromium and open up a few pages, then report the output of top so we can see the difference.
[14:02] <giuseppe60> phillw,    chromium     http://paste.ubuntu.com/831391/
[14:03] <phillw> giuseppe60: okay, you're approaching your maximum in built RAM now. If you open more pages, launch other programmes you will start using swap area which is a lot slower.
[14:04] <phillw> the CPU usage (how hard the computer is working) is still quite good. I'd recommend saving up & treating the machine to an extra 1GB of RAM. It's worth it as the CPU can handle the workload.
[14:06] <giuseppe60> phillw,   I then add 1 gb of ram?
[14:08] <phillw> giuseppe60:  you'd have to check what is already installed. If it 2 X 512 MB RAM - then you will need 2 X 1 GB RAM. If you're lucky, as I was - it will have 1 X 1GB RAM installed and a spare slot for another one.
[14:10] <Sentynel> 1GB of RAM ought to be plenty, really; I have a system with 512MB that runs lubuntu fine
[14:10] <Sentynel> I do see that you have a whole bunch of KDE processes running
[14:10] <Sentynel> do you actually use KDE software? if not, get rid of them
[14:12] <phillw> Sentynel: good point :)
[14:12] <giuseppe60> the problem is that I only open  x-chat  chromium
[14:13] <phillw> giuseppe60: did you install lubuntu onto of kubuntu?
[14:13] <giuseppe60> lubuntu
[14:13] <phillw> puzzled as to why you have kubuntu stuff running.
[14:13] <giuseppe60> I'm told that kubuntu was heavy
[14:15] <giuseppe60> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/
[14:16] <phillw> giuseppe60: you must have installed some kde programmes then.
[14:17] <giuseppe60> I installed and LibreOffice korqueror
[14:17] <phillw> giuseppe60: you can get rid of them and get back to pure lubuntu by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu (The removing section).
[14:17] <Sentynel> konqueror would be the one, yes
[14:18] <phillw> I think konqueror has invited half of kde in with it!
[14:19] <phillw> we see it also when people add certain Gnome programmes - they have many dependencies that are added, then wonder why everything has gone slow!
[14:19] <giuseppe60> Sentynel,   korqueror    http://paste.ubuntu.com/831365/
[14:20] <giuseppe60> phillw,   true
[14:21] <phillw> giuseppe60: you can see a lot of tasks running that begin with k :/
[14:21] <giuseppe60> phillw,     because I tried different browsers: midori, epiphany, opera, chromium, and it seemed faster korqueror
[14:23] <phillw> ahh, for lubuntu the two to choose from would be midori or Chromium that I of hear people running. Knonqueror has certainly brought a lot of extra stuff with it that eating your precious RAM.
[14:23] <Sentynel> KDE runs a whole pile of support processes and the like
[14:23] <Sentynel> which is reasonably efficient for a pure KDE system, but kinda wasteful for a single piece of software
[14:24] <giuseppe60> phillw,  midori no translator web pages
[14:25] <giuseppe60> I also tried safari
[14:25] <phillw> giuseppe60: Then you'll have to get used to Chromium.
[14:25] <giuseppe60> and already
[14:26] <phillw> If you have been installing all sorts of stuff to try them out - It will be much easier to just re-install lubuntu :)
[14:27] <giuseppe60> it takes 2 hours of installation of Lubuntu
[14:27] <giuseppe60> wait for the 12.04
[14:27] <giuseppe60> wait for the 12.04
[14:28] <giuseppe60> if you take away korqueror, I will remove kde ???
[14:29] <phillw> giuseppe60: no, you'd need to run the 'pure lxde' command in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu area to remove all the extras that came with it.
[14:30] <Sentynel> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde the 'remove kubuntu' command on this page should do it
[14:31] <Sentynel> you'll probably get a pile of "not installed, so not removed" messages 'cos konq won't have pulled in the entire kubuntu set, but it should get rid of the rest
[14:32] <phillw> giuseppe60: just make sure you use the correct version number. you need the page that says 11.10 :)
[14:35] <giuseppe60> wait for April with the new system, then format
[14:37] <giuseppe60> for the string to put my case would be
[14:37] <giuseppe60> sudo apt-get install desktop-Lubuntu
[15:11] <faLUCE> hi. how can I add a "custom application launcher" (similar to the ubuntu one) to the lxde panel ?
[15:11] <valdur55> Right click on panel -> Add/remove panel items -> Add -> Launcher
[15:11] <holstein> faLUCE: you can just pick one, and install it... and configure to your needs
[15:12] <holstein> i like how xubuntu uses a panel to look like a dock
[15:12] <valdur55> Does lubuntu support two panels?
[15:12] <giuseppe60> phillw,   Sentynel     http://paste.ubuntu.com/831452/
[15:13] <holstein> valdur55: its just openbox with panels added... just add as many as you like
[15:13] <Sentynel> giuseppe60: what about it?
[15:13] <faLUCE> holstein: can you suggest me one to install ?
[15:14] <faLUCE> valdur55: it doesn't work for custom applications
[15:14] <holstein> faLUCE: sure.. i *really* like the idea of just using a panel, since you dont have to add more applications
[15:14] <holstein> avant is one lots of folks use... wbar is a simple one that i like to set up for folks sometimes
[15:14] <giuseppe60> Sentynel,   I deleted konquerorm and KDE libraries
[15:14] <Sentynel> giuseppe60: you've still got kde processes running, so apparently you didn't
[15:15] <holstein> faLUCE: they are all so different, its really up to you what works for you and what you are looking for
[15:15] <Sentynel> giuseppe60: although, you might need to reboot, if they were already running and you haven't done that
[15:16] <faLUCE> no, no, no... I'm searching for a SIMPLE application launcher that can be added to the lxde panel.
[15:16] <faLUCE> I don't want extra stuff. I only want to have a launcher on the lxde panel
[15:17] <giuseppe60> Sentynel,   I have not restarted your PC
[15:17] <valdur55> faLUCE, search custom launcher maybe :)
[15:17] <Sentynel> giuseppe60: well, restart and then check if there's any processes beginning with k listed in top
[15:17] <valdur55> faLUCE, in add list
[15:18] <faLUCE> valdur55: it allows me to choose only an application listed in the menu
[15:18] <holstein> faLUCE: right... you can set up a row of launchers in a panel you create
[15:18] <valdur55> faLUCE, wait.. i will boot to lxde :)
[15:19] <faLUCE> valdur55: thanks. holstein, you did not understand my question
[15:20] <holstein> faLUCE: i have seen the unity launcher though, and if i make a new panel, and line up launchers in it, that'll look and feel a lot like that "dock"
[15:21] <holstein> faLUCE: i think you are still looking for a "unity launcher" button... and there is not one... you'll need to either install a dock-type app, or create one with a panel
[15:22] <faLUCE> holstein: read better what I asked...
[15:23] <holstein> faLUCE: nah, i'll just wait for you to elaborate :) but thanks for the command
[15:23] <faLUCE> holstein: there's already an application launcher. but it doesn't allow to launch programs that are not listed in the menu.
[15:24] <holstein> faLUCE: you can create a custom one...
[15:25] <faLUCE> holstein: I don't want to create a new launcher.
[15:25] <holstein> faLUCE: ?... in order to have a lanucher for something that doesnt have one... youd need to create one
[15:25] <faLUCE> holstein: I want to configure, not to create
[15:26] <faLUCE> holstein: that's not a good solution.
[15:26] <faLUCE> it's nonsense.
[15:26] <holstein> faLUCE: OK.. configure a custom one
[15:26] <holstein> faLUCE: im not following... you seem quite upset by this, and i think im misunderstanding you
[15:26] <valdur55> Damn... i can't do that with lxde
[15:27] <faLUCE> holstein: in fact you did not understand my question. valdur55 understood it
[15:27] <valdur55> but... i did it somehow :) lol
[15:27] <holstein> OK... enjoy guys, and good luck  :)
[15:27] <faLUCE> valdur55: in which way?
[15:27] <faLUCE> which file did you change?
[15:28] <valdur55> i maked new desktop file and puted it to one folder
[15:29] <Sentynel> surely the easiest way of doing this is just to create a .desktop file for the program in question, thus adding it to the applications available from the launcher
[15:29] <Sentynel> http://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
[15:30] <holstein> yeah, thats what i was meaning by "create"
[15:30] <faLUCE> holstein: "create" can mean all and nothing
[15:30] <valdur55> But.. i wanted to make it with GUI :)
[15:31] <valdur55> http://algorithmicmadness.blogspot.com/2011/12/lubuntu-custom-application-launcher.html :P
[15:32] <Sentynel> I'm not aware of there being an option to do this in lxde. desktop files aren't very complicated; kde has a gui tool to create one but it's basically just a list of the fields in the file
[15:32] <faLUCE> valdur55: Sentynel, thanks.
[15:33] <valdur55> Yea :) But some pepole don't know desktop file trick
[15:49] <giuseppe60> hello
[15:51] <giuseppe60> Sentynel,   still there?              http://paste.ubuntu.com/831509/
[15:52] <Sentynel> you still seem to have kde stuff running
[15:53] <giuseppe60> ok
[15:56] <phillw> Sentynel: lubuntu does use some kde stuff.
[15:57] <giuseppe60> I removed everything about KDE package manager
[15:58] <giuseppe60> now look Lubuntu 12.04     in April
[15:58] <phillw> kworker/0:0 , kthreadd  , ksoftirqd/0 , ksoftirqd/1 , khelper  are all active on mine - but I'm running a non-standard install.
[15:59] <Sentynel> yeah I don't have a pure lubuntu machine handy to check
[15:59] <Sentynel> they might not actually be kde components, just confusingly named
[15:59] <giuseppe60> phillw,   uses too lubutnu
[16:00] <phillw> Sentynel: As it happens, I'm actually installing a pure lubuntu 11.10 right now - although with all the updates and my slow b/band speed the update is taking a while!
[16:01] <giuseppe60> I also did cleaning of orphaned libraries
[16:03] <Sentynel> phillw: the pids of the k* in that top list are too low for them to be kde components; must be kernel stuff
[16:03] <Sentynel> well, not kernel, but base system
[16:03] <phillw> all those processes listed above with the exception of khelper are running on the virgin machine.
[16:16] <giuseppe60> Sentynel,    I read "To increase performance by zRam", what do you think?
[16:17] <Sentynel> no idea
[16:18] <giuseppe60> I give up
[16:19] <giuseppe60> thanks
[16:22] <faLUCE> valdur55: Sentynelwhere should I place the custom .desktop file ?
[16:22] <valdur55> http://algorithmicmadness.blogspot.com/2011/12/lubuntu-custom-application-launcher.html :P
[16:23] <faLUCE> valdur55: thanks ;-)
[16:26] <phillw> faLUCE: a really handy place to head for help on such things is the FAQ section of the wiki. http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuFAQ
[16:26] <EvilResistance> hey phillw, whats the package name of the runtime environment for LXDE?  i like trying various DEs, which explains why i have GNOME and KDE on the same machine xD
[16:27] <phillw> AFAIK, it is LXDE - But will be changing to LightDM
[16:28] <EvilResistance> i'm still on 11.04, and plan to clean-install when 12.04 comes out...
[16:28] <EvilResistance> upgraded installations suck :P
[16:28] <phillw> EvilResistance: I also prefer to fresh install. having a /home partition makes sense :P
[16:29] <EvilResistance> phillw, having a clone of the old hard drive makes more sense... :P
[16:29]  * EvilResistance routinely clones his hard drive as a backup method
[16:30] <phillw> EvilResistance: this laptop has 2 X 500GB drives - I keep a clone and a backup on an external 500GB in case my laptop got stolen!
[16:30] <EvilResistance> lol
[16:30] <EvilResistance> this system's a 3 year old laptop, but can still run KDE effectively *shrugs*
[16:30] <EvilResistance> i fully expect it to not be able to run KDE in 12.04 though...
[16:30] <phillw> If I had decent b/band speed I'd back upto the server.
[16:30] <EvilResistance> as i said its a 3 year old laptop
[16:33] <Sentynel> kde's system requirements haven't really increased in the last year
[16:34] <phillw> Sentynel: they run a tight ship on that team :)
[16:34] <Sentynel> my netbook runs kde tolerably, even, it's just a little laggy
[16:34] <EvilResistance> hell, 95% of what I do is done via the command line anyways :P
[16:35] <phillw> EvilResistance: I draw the line at mysql stuff, except for dumping and importing dbases :)
[16:35] <EvilResistance> :P
[16:35] <EvilResistance> i draw the line at "Anything short of using VirtualBox"
[16:36] <Sentynel> (note: I'm an Amarok dev, so I might be a slightly biased source here =)
[16:36] <phillw> EvilResistance: I'm just learning KVM
[16:36] <phillw> but, we digress...  They are all automatically taking screenshots
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> jskelington; what? How can that be and is it normal Ubuntu or Lubuntu (LXDE)?
[21:23] <rossball> jskelington: have you checked that the PrtSc button is not 'sticky'?
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> That would be my next question indeed ^_^
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> Or is it periodically taking screenshots?
[21:24] <jskelington> not physically...
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> Like every hour, every five minutes..?
[21:24] <jskelington> nope... constantly
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> Most likely it seems to be a stuck key <_<"
[21:25] <Unit193> We can tell you that's not the normal outcome
[21:25] <jskelington> it's not physcially stuck.. maybe I should take it off... if I am in xorg it stalls out my system it takes the scrots so rapidly
[21:26] <jskelington> and how do I change windows in irssi ?
[21:26] <jskelington> ...damned xorg problems
[21:26] <wxl> ^X i think jskelington
[21:26] <jskelington> ah
[21:26] <holstein> jskelington: alt + the #
[21:26] <jskelington> well done
[21:26] <wxl> i've tweaked my irssi so much i don't even freaking remember :D
[21:27] <holstein> or /win #
[21:27] <wxl> or /win next
[21:27] <jskelington> Okay, I'm gonna have to play with irssi more...
[21:27] <wxl> oh man you better take the week off then
[21:27] <MrChrisDruif> Btw "<jskelington> happens with both, unfortunately. I'm wondering if there is something going n with my keyboard, as this is a fresh install, but I don't know how I could check that"
[21:27] <wxl> ^^ use a different keyboard? ;)
[21:27] <jskelington> laptop
[21:28] <wxl> oh heh
[21:28] <jskelington> :)
[21:28] <jskelington> is there any way to read the output from the keyboard?
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> You don't need to /msg me that. It's more useful to say it in channel, that way other can benefit from that info
[21:28] <jskelington> someone showed me how to do it with my monitor once (trying to install a touchscreen)
[21:28] <jskelington> MrChrisDruif: yea... I was trying to figure out this irssi
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> irssi? Ghe ^_^
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> Good luck with that
[21:29] <wxl> so you could load up the virtual keyboard
[21:29]  * MrChrisDruif uses xchat
[21:29] <jskelington> I could basically open a device into a document it, concatonate it, and see output as it happened
[21:29] <wxl> wait, is there a virtual keyboard?
[21:30] <jskelington> not sure... i pried th prt scrn key off, and it's still doing it
[21:30] <jskelington> I hope it's not a bad cable or board :(
[21:30] <pcroque> jskelington: I think the command-line program xev will show you what your keyboard is outputting.
[21:30] <jskelington> I'm a couple months from a new computer
[21:31] <jskelington> pcroque: I'll checkthat
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> jskelington; buying or getting a new puter?
[21:31] <wxl> xvkbd is a virtual keyboard; you could install it, disable your keyboard, and see what happens
[21:32] <jskelington> I wish I could just disable my printscreen key
[21:32] <jskelington> pcroque: it seems I can't run that in tty sessions
[21:33] <jskelington> the moment I open up xorg it starts going nuts
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> pcroque; apt-cache search xev doesn't find anything
[21:33] <wxl> you should ssh to the machine
[21:33] <wxl> disable the keyboard
[21:33] <wxl> there you go
[21:33] <Unit193> You could just unplug the keyboard and see if it still does it...
[21:33] <wxl> Unit193: laptop
[21:34] <Unit193> That'd be harder then, I missed that part
[21:34] <jskelington> the nipple under the key is not stuck
[21:34] <pcroque> MrChrisDruif: I think xev is part of some other package....but as jskelington mentioned, it needs X to work, so it's not going to help him.
[21:35] <jskelington> i had this problem with regular ubuntu, which is why I reinstalled
[21:35] <jskelington> with minimal ubuntu and LXDE over it
[21:35] <jskelington> is there a way to disable a single key?
[21:35] <wxl> ok
[21:36] <wxl> so do you have another machine to ssh into it? cuz i can tell you how to disable your keyboard
[21:37] <jskelington> I found something
[21:37] <jskelington> I may be able to disable the key by the keycode
[21:38] <wxl> well if you want to ssh in, here's how to disable/enable: http://wpkg.org/Disable_/_enable_keyboard_and_mouse_in_Linux
[21:39] <wxl> jskelington: you found xmodmap?
[21:40] <jskelington> wxl: yes, unfortunatelyit also uses xorg, fortunately, I found the code online
[21:42] <wxl> well xmodmap will run on the commandline
[21:42] <jskelington> i tried, it said it can't open display ''
[21:43] <wxl> try "export DISPLAY=:0"
[21:43] <jskelington> executed without returning
[21:44] <wxl> well now go back to your gui and see how it works
[21:45] <jskelington> frozen, but i as able to specify display with xmodmap -display=0 and it's printing stuff... weird tha I have to specify that, no?
[21:49] <jskelington> f I suk
[22:28] <dude> hi
[22:29] <Guest34128> anyone can help me with a little problem with the mouse? or say me where are docs about it?
[22:29] <phillw> Guest34128: ask away, if some one can help - they will :)
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> Guest34128; what do you wanna know about it?
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> !ask
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> !mouse
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> !help
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> O_O that DOESN't call the ops does it? O_O
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; ^
[22:31] <Guest34128> Thx, my old notebook (this) is running lubuntu 11.10. If i plug a mouse when this pc is on, mouse works, but if the mouse is plugged before start does not work (sorry my english sucks)
[22:32] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: You'd know if it did
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> Prolly Unit193
[22:32] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: nope :)
[22:33] <Unit193> Pluging in a mouse when before it's on, does the trackpad react still?
[22:34] <Guest34128> mmm, touchpad works ever
[22:34] <Guest34128> i am using it now
[22:35] <Unit193> I'd check BIOS settings
[22:35] <Guest34128> if i unplug mouse now, and plug again, mouse begin works
[22:35] <Guest34128> i did, but and old notebook has not setting about it
[22:35] <Guest34128> and=an sorry
[22:36] <Unit193> Can you give us the model number and brand?
[22:36] <Guest34128> Acer Aspirte 1310
[22:36] <Guest34128> aspire
[22:37] <Guest34128> everythings work fine
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11166959&postcount=8
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> Guest34128; http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11166959&postcount=8 <= maybe this could work for you?
[22:39] <Guest34128> Thx guys, reading :)
[22:41] <Unit193> Seems a couple problems with that one
[22:42] <Guest34128> well, link of the author of post is broke. Need reboot for look the bios again but i think i have not that option, and the bios is updated. BRB
[22:47] <philipballew> Does anyone have any ofline Lubuntu documentation or a good way to make spme?
[22:47] <philipballew> *some
[22:49] <phillw> philipballew: I know there had been some discussion on the docs area as to how to 'export' wiki pages in a readable format.
[22:51] <guest9292929292> nothing to do, my netbook bios is as simple as homer simpson brains
[22:51] <philipballew> philw yeah, Im making a Lubuntu immage to send to missionaries in aferica and I am thinking that maybe they might not always have internet
[22:51] <philipballew> they let me play with ubuntu at work this month!
[22:52] <philipballew> phillw, whats the rule with copying the lubuntu/ubuntu documentation? is that CC?
[22:53] <phillw> philipballew: good question ... there were some changes made to copyright.
[22:54] <phillw> philipballew: http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/08/ubuntu-wiki-relicensing-request-for-comments/
[22:56] <phillw> so it now CC by SA
[22:59] <philipballew> Maybe I can just copy and paste some of this stuff onto a fancy looking doccument or something
[23:01] <kaspi> hey guys
[23:01] <phillw> philipballew: under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ yes you are free.
[23:01] <philipballew> thank you phillw. If you ever hear anything in the next few weeks you have my email or find me in here. your pretty awesome
[23:02] <kaspi> how to switch chats in irssi?
[23:02] <kaspi> :)
[23:05] <phillw> kaspi: I'm just getting someone who uses it, please be patient :)
[23:06] <philipballew> Do you know who made the screencasts ?
[23:06] <philipballew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Screencasts
[23:07] <philipballew> I could just download them and put them on a file on the desktop if thats okay maybe
[23:07] <Unit193> /win #
[23:09] <Unit193> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi
[23:09] <guest92929292> well, i found a solution for the mouse problem, plug it in a pcmcia usb card
[23:10] <phillw> philipballew: that would be the rather wonderful Lezek Lesner
[23:11] <Unit193> guest92929292: Heh, that's weird!
[23:11] <AlanBell> kaspi: escape then left or right
[23:11] <AlanBell> kaspi: or /window 3 or whatever
[23:12] <Unit193> Alt works too
[23:12] <guest92929292> yes unit193, but seems a bios problem as u said and nothing to configure in this old bios
[23:13] <Unit193> You could check their site for an update for the BIOS
[23:14] <guest92929292> done, no more update availables :( what no problem, mouse is working now with the pcmcia card
[23:14] <guest92929292> what = but
[23:15] <guest92929292> only the cord around the notebook xD
[23:15] <Unit193> Yeah, works and that's what counts
[23:19] <kaspi> AlanBell: nice :) thanks
[23:44] <labim> hello, I am looking for a way of installing barebone lubuntu version using the mini.iso CD. But I can only find Ubuntu 11.10 mini.iso, and only instructions for lubuntu 11.04. I just want to install lubuntu with the LXDE desktop and then choose which apps I install.
[23:50] <avelldiroll> labim: there is only one mini.iso, and it let's you choose to install any profile available via tasksel
[23:50] <avelldiroll> including lubuntu
[23:51] <avelldiroll> you just hev to check the "lxde desktop" box at the end of the installing process via the mini.iso
[23:51] <avelldiroll> *have
[23:52] <avelldiroll> you mai also install a minimal install and do a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" afterward
[23:53] <avelldiroll> *may
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> labim; use said mini-ISO and install lubuntu-core
[23:56] <MrChrisDruif> labim; the mini-ISO installs a command-line interface only, afterwards you can install anything you'd like, e.g. lubuntu-core or lubuntu-desktop, or even something like kubuntu-desktop


[09:47] <trvbueno> Hi, having issues with the UBUNTU_STORE_ID env. variable on Fedora. Trying to switch to Limenet's but seems like the variable is simply ignored by snap. Am I missing something?
[09:50] <trvbueno> I feel like it is related to PR 3382 in a way I don't fully understand just yet
[09:51] <mup> PR #3382: daemon,overlord/auth: store from model assertion wins <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3382>
[10:22] <pedronis> trvbueno: what does  "snap known model" shows?   are you setting in /etc/enviroment, have your restarted snapd?
[11:14] <trvbueno> pedronis: type: model, model: generic-classic, series: 16, brand-id: generic, authority-id: generic, classic: true then some key
[11:14] <trvbueno> pedronis: cat /etc/environment returns UBUNTU_STORE_ID=LimeSDR
[11:14] <trvbueno> And yes, tried to restart snapd, and also reboot.
[12:18] <pedronis> trvbueno: afaik that combination should work, you can set SNAPD_DEBUG=1 SNAPD_DEBUG_HTTP=1 as well and restart, and look at journactl -u snapd  to see if the right header with the store id is sent
[13:16] <trvbueno> pedronis: Thanks. I'll try and see what's wrong.
[13:26] <trvbueno> Well, turns out when systemd is launching snapd apparently it's not under the same environment variables than running it manually as described in the HACKING document of the repository.
[13:27] <trvbueno> So: when running manually, I have access to the LimeSDR store, but not when it's systemd. Also, debug flags not working either when ran by systemd.
[13:41] <trvbueno> Solved, environment variables for snapd need to go in /etc/sysconfig/snapd on Fedora.
[13:49] <Son_Goku> trvbueno, yes, Fedora packaging (and all derivatives of it) use /etc/sysconfig/snapd


[21:51] <andygraybeal> in general, what is a good laptop to purchase  for ubuntu?
[21:52] <belkinsa> A ThinkPad. But I really don't know myself.
[21:52] <andygraybeal> yea, i have the lenovo t series
[21:55] <andygraybeal> i hate trying to reocmmend stuff to a friend
[21:56] <paultag> XPS13 is great
[21:56] <paultag> A+ can highly recommend
[21:56] <paultag> I got one, and now ~5 or so folks have got them since
[21:56] <andygraybeal> that's the dell ?
[21:57] <andygraybeal> are the drivers all open source or pacakged for linux atleast?
[21:57] <Unit193> It's paultag, what do you think? :P
[21:57] <paultag> Iadore it
[21:58] <dzho> oh oh OH
[21:58] <paultag> http://dell.com/ubuntu
[21:58] <jenni> [ XPS 13 Developer Edition | Dell ] - https://j.mp/1KqpsGe
[21:58] <paultag> dzho: IO!
[21:58] <andygraybeal> yea, i admit, i don't know paul :(  or any of you guys really
[21:58] <paultag> wait a few days for the new version to drop
[21:58] <dzho> we all heard the Thinkpads got THEIR BUTTONS BACK right?!
[21:58] <paultag> yeah, these ship with F/OSS
[21:58] <dzho> the spec on those dells hasn't changed in approximately forever, has it?
[21:59] <paultag> It just changed two days ago
[21:59] <Unit193> andygraybeal: Heh, that's fine, yettiman! ;)  He's a big FSF fan. :)
[21:59] <paultag> and it's been updated a few times dzho
[21:59] <andygraybeal> yettiman??
[21:59] <dzho> also, haha, 12.04
[21:59] <paultag> 14.04 on the new version
[21:59] <paultag> erm, 14.10
[21:59] <dzho> eww, one wants LTS
[22:00] <dzho> ain't nobody got time for short support cycles
[22:00] <Unit193> andygraybeal: I use that in a good sense.    Hmm.
[22:01] <andygraybeal> not muscle i assure you
[22:01] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[22:01] <Unit193> How tall?
[22:01] <andygraybeal> 5'6"
[22:01] <andygraybeal> on a good day
[22:01] <Unit193> Oh.
[22:02] <dzho> I aftermarket installed 160GB SSD on this thinkpad twist a while back, and feel very constrained by it.
[22:02] <andygraybeal> dzho, constrained space-wise?
[22:02] <dzho> yup
[22:02] <andygraybeal> speed is nice though,eh?
[22:02] <dzho> the speed is fine
[22:02] <dzho> mostly the battery has a useful lifetime without me having to tweak it six ways from sunday
[22:03] <dzho> not the massive use times I hear about from others but it works for me
[22:03] <dzho> the lenovos also have this Power Bridge thing going on.
[22:03] <dzho> two batteries, so you can change one on the fly
[22:04] <dzho> one is built in non-field-replaceable.
[22:04] <dzho> so, it gets charged first and used last, so it's always good to go.
[22:04] <dzho> I don't have that, but it sounds good.
[22:05] <andygraybeal> thanks for the thoughts guys.  i sent off an email to my friend.
[22:10] <andygraybeal> so this multiarch thing took my by surprise :)
[22:10] <andygraybeal> it's been around since 12.04 ?
[22:10] <andygraybeal> i just found out about it this past week
[22:10] <andygraybeal> i feel awesome.
[22:11] <dzho> andygraybeal: welcome to my version of the cutting edge http://xkcd.com/606/
[22:11] <jenni> [ xkcd: Cutting Edge ] - http://xkcd.com
[22:11] <dzho> ;-)
[22:11] <dzho> I don't even remember if I've started Portal 2.
[22:11] <dzho> I totally haven't finished it.
[22:11] <dzho> nor Half-Life
[22:11] <dzho> (Half-Life 2 I guess)
[22:12] <andygraybeal> haha nice
[22:12] <dzho> as for multi-arch, apparently Debian-based and Redhat-based handle it differently.
[22:12] <dzho> grr.
[22:12] <dzho> I think I found a multi-arch bug in gforth
[22:13] <dzho> haven't been motivated enough to figure out if there's a fix in a newer version, document what I've found, try to find a fix, yadda yadda.
[22:13] <dzho> usually when I find bugs like this its because I'm exploring a new feature, and hence, something I don't understand in the first place.
[22:14] <dzho> like, when I was going to play with aplus, and found a bug in the 64-bit version.
[22:14] <dzho> andygraybeal: I guess what I'm saying is I am only just now coming to grips with multi-arch, because I've been forced to :-)
[22:47] <andygraybeal> nice :)
[22:47] <andygraybeal> i think i followered your meandering
[22:52] <dzho> :-)


[02:01] <Unguided> hello all
[02:05] <rhpot1991> !hi
[02:05] <Zinn> Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[02:09] <Unguided> u guys dont seem to be very talkative tongiht
[03:14] <Guest74616> i have the  Microsoft USB IRblaster going to a scientific atlamta box . i set it inthe MCC but how do i tell mythtv in the back end to use it? any help would be nice.
[04:26] <Louis> Hello!  I have a combined frontend/backend mythtv server and I was hoping to share the videos (and recorded tv shows, if possible... though this is not essential) with another computer running boxee over the local network (wifi).  Is this possible?
[04:30] <rhpot1991> Louis: boxee should be able to speak mythtv (so I'm told)
[04:31] <Louis> rhpot1991:  do you know how to do it?
[04:31] <rhpot1991> Louis: sorry, never used boxee
[04:32] <rhpot1991> I tried to check it out once, but they wanted contact info before I could see anything so I said no thanks
[04:32] <rhpot1991> I hear its a fork from xbmc though, and setting that up was fairly easy
[04:51] <hads> Yeah it's based on XBMC
[05:01] <superm1> Louis, if you have upnp on it will show up in network videos
[05:02] <superm1> but it doesnt the first time you go in the menu.  you have to enter and leave the menu a few times
[05:05] <rhpot1991> superm1: can't speak myth protocol?
[05:05] <superm1> i couldn't get it to , but in theory it should
[08:04] <fdasse> hi
[08:04] <fdasse> [][]
[08:04] <fdasse> guys
[08:04] <fdasse> V
[08:04] <fdasse> im trying to install mythbuntu in my D: disc..but when i reboot grub doesn't work. if i intall in C: it works..
[08:04] <fdasse>  can someone tell me how can i make it work, installing in d:?
[08:04] <fdasse> im using windows method to install.
[11:48] <waterfoul> l	what work you guys suggest for buying a new tv card, it must do both digital and analog in the us and I am recieving cable
[11:48] <waterfoul> !help
[11:48] <Zinn> !help Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[12:16] <brunner> can anyone help me record a clip of a friend of mine on fox news in about an hour from now?
[12:16] <brunner> my myth box is down =/
[15:24] <Guest74616> i have the  Microsoft USB IRblaster going to a scientific atlamta box . i set it inthe MCC but how do i tell mythtv in the back end to use it? any help would be nice.
[17:25] <aniiena> does mythbuntu come out of the box ready to support ntfs formated drives?
[17:27] <superm1> if it doesnt detect an ntfs partition during install, i think you just need to install ntfsutils
[17:27] <superm1> or something like that
[17:27] <aniiena> oh
[17:27] <aniiena> right, I think I knew that
[17:28] <aniiena> my concern is that most of my external media is ntfs formated and I was curiious if it would be plug and play out of the box
[17:32] <superm1> well try it
[17:45] <dupondje> Hellow, Any id why I don't have any sound when playing livetv ? Volume is 100% and NOT muted ...
[18:07] <Guest74616> what tuner card do you have in the system
[18:18] <fernando_> .
[18:19] <tgm4883> ..
[18:20] <fernando_> any one out their using the MS usb Ir blaster on a cable box?
[20:05] <Enox> Anyone able to help me get a HDTV-1600 card working?  I keep getting ivtv errors and no one (forums, anyone) has been able to help
[20:06] <Enox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6572560#post6572560
[20:06] <Enox> I posted that which describe the problem.
[20:12] <Enox> Is there something wrong with my description of the problem?  I've been trying to figure this out for a month and I'm about to just give up on MythTV.  I bought hardware specifically for it to work and it does nothing but fail utterly.
[21:08] <bigguy333> hi I am running mythbuntu 8.10 and I am trying to run apt-get build-dep mythtv   and I get Package liblam-dev has no installation candidate.  Help?
[21:09] <bigguy333> thats liblame-dev not liblam-dev
[21:10] <rhpot1991> bigguy333: I think thats replaced with libmp3lame or something
[21:10] <rhpot1991> might be in universe even
[21:11] <bigguy333> Reading package lists... Done
[21:11] <bigguy333> Building dependency tree
[21:11] <bigguy333> Reading state information... Done
[21:11] <bigguy333> libmp3lame-dev is already the newest version.
[21:11] <bigguy333> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 138 not upgraded.
[21:11] <bigguy333> root@sat:/usr/src/mythbuild# apt-get build-dep mythtv -y
[21:11] <bigguy333> Reading package lists... Done
[21:11] <bigguy333> Building dependency tree
[21:11] <bigguy333> Reading state information... Done
[21:11] <bigguy333> Package liblame-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:11] <bigguy333> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:11] <bigguy333> is only available from another source
[21:11] <bigguy333> However the following packages replace it:
[21:11] <bigguy333>   liblame0 libmp3lame-dev
[21:11] <bigguy333> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 138 not upgraded.
[21:12] <bigguy333> E: Package liblame-dev has no installation candidate
[21:12] <bigguy333> i've installed liblame0 and libmp3lame-dev
[21:16] <bigguy333> what do I need to do to get this to work?
[23:52] <TazgodX> is there a digital audio out card for a mythbox?


[00:33] <MobileTurkey> on the road again...
[00:36] <andrew> Well... for me, $local_sports_team is up in Wilkes-Barre moments away from winning against the home team
[00:36] <andrew> And they just won, 243-136
[01:51] <InHisName> What sport scores 243 in a game ?
[01:59] <JonathanD> InHisName: golf, if you're really bad at it.
[02:11] <InHisName> I suppose so, 36 holes ?
[02:12] <InHisName> Wait...wait.   Golf does TEAMS???
[04:10] <waltman> bowling?
[04:10] <waltman> cricket?
[04:30] <andrew> sorry for being afk
[04:30] <andrew> No one got it right
[04:31] <andrew> Roller Derby
[09:40] <rmg51> Morning
[10:38] <Irishmanluke> lol who would have guessed roller derby
[10:39] <JonathanD> Hi.
[10:39] <Irishmanluke> morning JonathanD
[10:39] <Irishmanluke> what are you up to? work?
[10:40] <JonathanD> Not yet.
[10:40] <Irishmanluke> getting ready?
[10:42] <JonathanD> Nope.
[10:42] <JonathanD> I don't really start getting ready for work until about 7:45
[11:00] <InHisName> andrew: so what 'moves' contributed to much of the 243 points of the score ?    Like in football there's touchdowns 6, extra points 1, touchbacks 2, and ?? .    So a football game score is mostly TDs and a bit fewer ExP, and hardly ever TBs.
[11:01] <InHisName> JonathanD: if you're not getting ready and NOT typing here, what ARE you doing ?
[11:06] <JonathanD> InHisName: wandering around the internet.
[11:07] <InHisName> Oh, My, what a dangerous place to wander around in with no goals.  What evil lurking around some router might cause you untold suffering.
[15:33] <MutantTurkey> whew I am tired
[15:33] <MutantTurkey> vacations aren't really relaxing
[15:45] <JonathanD> No
[15:46] <MutantTurkey> sigh
[15:46] <MutantTurkey> now I am tired sore and grumpy
[15:59] <rmg51> how can we tell the differebce
[15:59] <rmg51> wrong key again
[16:00] <rmg51> how cab we tell the difference from your usual self?
[16:01] <MutantTurkey> not really too different
[16:01] <rmg51> I have to stop typing now
[16:02] <rmg51> I can't see the keyboard very well
[16:25] <waltman> MutantTurkey: so you're not at Drexel this week?
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I am
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> why?
[16:25] <waltman> I was thinking the only way I'd ever see you again would be on the side of the road in your hamburger exoskeleton :)
[16:26] <MutantTurkey> are you around this week?
[16:26] <waltman> yep
[16:26] <waltman> mostly
[16:26] <MutantTurkey> and what's happening now that you've been in-doctor-inated..
[16:26] <MutantTurkey> LOL
[16:27] <waltman> Today is paperwork day, which is being delayed by the big faculty meeting going on in 153.
[16:40] <MutantTurkey> ah
[16:40] <MutantTurkey> I will avoid aforementioned meeting
[16:40] <LordOfTime> P A P E R W O R K    I S    E V I L
[16:40] <LordOfTime> :p
[16:41] <MutantTurkey> waltman: instead we can play chess
[17:41] <MutantTurkey> sigh my old girlfriends insane boyfriend blocked me on her facebook account... just because she was chatting me up about where i was going to college... talk about insane
[19:23] <andrew> InHisName: This should explain it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2W2b1WBmm4
[19:48] <InHisName> Oh, its a flat track.  I remember pictures from 50's & 60's were banked tracks.   At least easier to find place to compete when only needing a flat place to race.
[20:39] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to alL!
[20:39] <JonathanD> Howdy SamuraiAlba
[20:39] <SamuraiAlba> Straightened out the Blackwood campus :)
[20:40] <SamuraiAlba> Financial aid restored to Cumberland, AND I got my loan approved again :)
[20:40] <SamuraiAlba> $9500
[20:40] <SamuraiAlba> Times for car vroom?!
[20:40] <InHisName> Great ! SamuraiAlba
[20:41] <SamuraiAlba> thankies :)
[23:21] <qkall> hiya folks i'm having issues with zram-enabler
[23:21] <qkall> i was trying to upgrade it but it just hangs
[23:21] <qkall> 12.04 ubuntu
[23:23] <qkall> i've tried to remove but it complains that it needs to be reinstalled
[23:23] <qkall> but when ever i tried
[23:23] <qkall> it just hangs and doesn't do anything :/
[23:23] <qkall> and it isn't a matter of patients... i've let it sit for like an hour
[23:23] <qkall> i even went to install the .deb
[23:23] <qkall> but alas....
[23:24] <qkall> tried dpkg -i  from command line as well.
[23:25] <qkall> hmm... actually i might of stumbled on a fix... let's see if it works (have to reboot -_-)


[02:20] <converge> hi, how can I get the last version of a branch? bzr pull ?
[02:38] <poolie> converge, can you be  more specific?
[02:39] <converge> i had downloaded it wih bzr branch name_of_branch
[02:39] <converge> need to update it with the latest improvements
[02:39] <poolie> then yes, bzr pull there will download new revisions from the parent branch
[02:39] <poolie> and update the working tree
[02:48] <converge> thanks dude
[03:54] <lifeless> spiv: around ?
[03:56] <spiv> lifeless: yep
[03:56] <lifeless> I'm trying to clean up https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/+activereviews
[03:57] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~spiv/ubuntu/lucid/paramiko/address-families-579530-lucid/+merge/25297 is in the way
[03:57] <spiv> I guess I'll abandon it
[03:58] <spiv> Although it's a bit of a pity that you can't shift that off your queue yourself.
[03:59] <lifeless> spiv: so, I can't land it
[03:59] <spiv> Me either :P
[03:59] <spiv> Hmm
[03:59] <lifeless> You could drive the SRU process for it, but thats not strictly a MP thing anyhow
[03:59] <spiv> Neither "Work in progress" or "Merged" look like great alternatives, but those are my two choices
[04:00] <spiv> (Setting WIP)
[04:00] <lifeless> can you resubmit ?
[04:00] <lifeless> you could retarted for lucid-proposed
[04:00] <spiv> Oh, I can delete it or resubmit, I see.
[04:00] <lifeless> our branch based workflow for ubuntu is very raw
[04:00] <lifeless> there are appropriate bugs open
[04:00] <spiv> Well, I'm not going to push this at all.
[04:01] <lifeless> me neither
[04:01] <lifeless> (which is a bit sad in principle, but a statement of reality)
[04:01] <spiv> Yeah.  Our time is finite, sadly.
[04:22] <lifeless> spiv: thanks
[06:38] <vila> hi all
[07:26] <Merwin_> Hi
[08:47] <mgz> morning
[08:52] <vila> mgz: heya
[08:52] <m1sc> just to confirm: loggerhead doesn't support shared repos yet.?
[09:11] <jelmer> m1sc: what is there to support?
[09:14] <m1sc> jelmer: say loggerhead points to /repo with the following branches /repo/{trunk,branches/one,branches/two,..} inside, it doesn't show these branches.
[09:16] <m1sc> jelmer: wrong expectation on my side?
[09:40] <jelmer> m1sc: yeah, that's odd - it should be able to show them. and it works without a shared repo?
[09:40] <jelmer> m1sc: a shared repo should just be a storage optimization
[09:43] <m1sc> jelmer: hmm ok. it's --no-trees -- does it matter?
[09:46] <jelmer> m1sc: no, that shouldn't matter as far as I know - loggerhead looks at the branch contents, not the tree
[10:35] <ccxCZ> is there ready-made snippet for getting revno when I run program from a bzr repo and appending that to version number?
[10:36] <jelmer> ccxCZ: not that I'm aware of - see bug 689367
[10:39] <ccxCZ> hmm I guess Branch.open(dirname(dirname(__file__)).revno() will do
[10:39] <jelmer> ccxCZ: `bzr revno` will just get you the revision number, if that's what you mean?
[10:40] <ccxCZ> well, I want it from python app, so spawning another process seems bit overkill
[10:41] <m1sc> jelmer: ok, solved -- had a guard branch in /repo/.bzr, once removed it seems to work. thank you.
[10:41] <jelmer> ccxCZ: in that case your code is indeed what you want
[10:58] <LarstiQ> ccxCZ: though perhaps you want Branch.open_containing instead of dirname(dirname(?
[11:22] <maxb> There is a danger in using open_containing if the code might sometimes run in an exported copy of the code - it may recurse far above where you wanted in that instance
[12:30] <LarstiQ> maxb: right
[13:20] <Merwin_> mgz, hi, you saved my (yester)day, thank you ;)
[13:21] <Merwin_> I update to bzr 2.6b1 to avoid these problems :D
[13:22] <mgz> I'm glad Merwin :)
[13:24] <mgz> I'll also make sure those fixes are back ported for 2.5.1
[13:26] <Merwin_> I installed latest 2.6 with pip and I had a message saying that it could not compiel some extensions (whereas I installed Cython, and saw some gcc lignes during installation)
[13:27] <Merwin_> It works fine, but if it could work faster, that would be nice ;)
[13:28] <mgz> hm, yes, the setuptoolsy installs may not do the right compile stuff
[13:31] <Merwin_> I'll remove it and install from sources
[13:37] <Merwin_> mgz, bzrtools 2.5 works with 2.6 or I'll have to get the dev branch ?
[13:38] <mgz> it should work.
[15:36] <james_w> jml,  https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/udd/remove-max-threads-warning/+merge/100816
[15:37] <jml> james_w: I think there's more in that diff than you intended.
[15:38] <james_w> ah, looks like I missed pushing to trunk yesterday
[15:39] <james_w> jml, fixed
[15:39] <jml> james_w: thanks.
[15:41] <james_w> that also means I didn't roll out the new code as intended yesterday
[15:41] <james_w> doing that now
[15:43] <jml> james_w: approved.
[15:44] <james_w> thanks
[15:45] <mgz> james_w: do you want anything else from me on the udd mp reviews?
[15:45] <james_w> mgz, not at this time, thanks for the reviews
[17:20] <james_w> jml, mgz: around still? https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/udd/storm-fixes/+merge/100838
[17:21] <jml> james_w: already approved :)
[17:21] <mgz> ...he's too fast!
[17:21] <james_w> oh yay
[17:21] <james_w> thanks
[17:21] <james_w> one more coming up
[17:21] <james_w> larger and without explicit tests unfortunately
[17:21] <jml> james_w: classy.
[17:22] <mgz> james_w: do we need to do something about storm on jubany still?
[17:22] <james_w> mgz, I had the package installed
[17:22] <mgz> you're a star.
[17:22] <james_w> these fixes are from my finding some problems when trying to deploy the code
[17:27] <james_w> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/udd/unicode-everything/+merge/100842
[17:27] <james_w> diff is generating now
[17:28] <mgz> eheh, winning branch name
[17:30] <james_w> oh, I forgot the pre-req
[17:31] <jml> james_w: I think you missed one:
[17:31] <jml>     except errors.NotBranchError:
[17:31] <jml> -        ubuntu_b = bstore.get_branch_parts("ubuntu", ubuntu_current_series,
[17:31] <jml> +        ubuntu_b = bstore.get_branch_parts(u"ubuntu", ubuntu_current_series,
[17:31] <jml>                 "release", possible_transports=possible_transports)
[17:32] <jml> "release" → u"release"
[17:32] <james_w> argh
[17:32] <james_w> thanks
[17:36] <james_w> jml, mgz: thanks, I'll land these and try a rollout
[17:37] <jml> \o/
[17:37] <jml> james_w: I'll be semi-around
[17:38] <james_w> ok
[17:38]  * jml is packing for a move tomorrow.
[17:45] <james_w> jml, it all looks to be running ok so far
[17:45] <james_w> adding new jobs
[17:45] <james_w> importing packages
[17:45] <james_w> updating the status page
[17:45] <jml> james_w: great :)
[17:46] <james_w> I'll go and grab some lunch and check it all again when I get back
[17:49] <jml> cool
[21:35] <mgrandi> jelmer, i dont see the difference between the 'fastimport' download and the 'pythonfastimport' download on the python-fastimport launchpad page, did you make a mistake there or something? :o
[22:12] <poolie> lifeless, hi, can we chat briefly?
[22:12] <lifeless> sure thing
[22:12] <lifeless> ring me ?
[22:12] <poolie> sure
[22:15] <jelmer> 'evening poolie, lifeless
[22:15] <jelmer> mgrandi: there is none
[22:15] <jelmer> mgrandi: pip falls over if the tarball has a name that doesn't match the module name, even if that's what is registered on pypi
[22:15] <mgrandi> oh
[22:15] <mgrandi> ok
[22:17] <poolie> hi there
[22:24] <lifeless> hi jelmer


[12:56] <Na3iL> elacheche, somehow I think that the guy who made the video is a super advanced window$ user xD
[13:00] <elacheche> He should, those are Windows ues cases x)
[13:02] <Na3iL> I saw that you too have a problem finding any piece of source code for that "Imagination" tool
[13:10] <elacheche> I find the source code, it's not infected, but didn't compile it


[01:31] <shubhmoy> jono: Hi
[01:31] <shubhmoy> jono, are you there?
[01:45] <jono> hey shubhmoy hey
[01:50] <shubhmoy> jono, I am newbie and looking for some work in Ubuntu-App-Development
[01:50] <jono> shubhmoy, I recommend you start at developer.ubuntu.com
[01:51] <shubhmoy> thanks, I am setting up launchpad account right now
[01:51] <jono> cool
[07:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Celebration Of Life Day! :-D
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[10:48] <WebbyIT> timp, zsombi:: Hi :-) Sorry to disturb you, but I have a strange problem with a listView in calculator app
[10:50] <WebbyIT> If I clear from the listview and then I use positionViewAtBeginnin() the listview doesn't go to beginning. I cannot use contentY or originY because the length of listview is variable
[10:51] <zsombi> WebbyIT: you clear teh ListView's model, right?
[10:55] <zsombi> WebbyIT: or what do you mean by "clear"?
[10:57] <WebbyIT> zsombi, mhh, (sorry but I have not write this part), we have a var named ScreenFormula: when a user do a calc his calc is added to this var, and after the tear off is added to model
[10:57] <WebbyIT> zsombi, my problem in when I pop last calc from ScreenFormula: is not in the model but it' s on screen
[10:58] <WebbyIT> zsombi, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/trunk/view/head:/Simple/SimplePage.qml#L112
[10:59] <WebbyIT> if you try to run the app, press 5+6 and then C, you see that the ListView do a little jump back, and I don't understand how to fix it
[11:02] <zsombi> WebbyIT: ok, so what happens when you press C? you call this formulaPop()?
[11:03] <WebbyIT> zsombi, exactly
[11:03] <zsombi> WebbyIT: I guess at that point teh screenFormula.length > 1, right?
[11:04] <WebbyIT> zsombi, yse, if you press 5 + 6 the length is 3
[11:08] <zsombi> WebbyIT: hmm... don't really get how this 'C' alters the ListView's model...
[11:10] <WebbyIT> zsombi, well, ScreenFormula is added between the ListView Model and the header of listview, that is keyboard. If I use positionViewAtEnd() works as expected, if I use positionViewAtBeginning() no
[11:10] <zsombi> WebbIT: ah, wait, I got it!
[11:10] <nik90> zsombi: Hey, Can we talk after your lunch? I need to discuss some stuff about the alarms with you.
[11:11] <WebbyIT> if I use contentY = 0 it works as expected, but I have some problems if the user adds new calc
[11:11] <zsombi> WebbyIT: positionViewAtBeginning should move the contentY as expected, considering of course the topMargin, which is altered by the Header, so don't touch that...
[11:12] <zsombi> nik90: ok, I'll ping U
[11:12] <zsombi> WebyIT: but pressing 'C' should clear the last added number only, right?
[11:13] <nik90> thnx
[11:14] <zsombi> WebbyIT: hmm... I see there's some scrolling of the "keyboard", is that you are trying to fix? or...
[11:15] <WebbyIT> zsombi, and the operator before him
[11:15] <WebbyIT> 5+6 C is 5
[11:15] <WebbyIT> so we lost a line
[11:15] <WebbyIT> zsombi, yes, I dont' want that keybord scrolls
[11:16] <zsombi> WebbyIT: well, the operator is not lost because of the scrolling I think...
[11:17] <WebbyIT> zsombi, uhm, no, maybe I explain bad: the behabior of the function is right, only problem is the scroll of the keyboard
[11:18] <zsombi> WebbyIT: if I have nothing more than 5+6 'C', the keyboard is not moved... I have tried with more input but there are certain scenarios when the keyboard moves only...
[11:20] <WebbyIT> zsombi, it happens once on every start of the app
[11:24] <zsombi> WebbyIT: hmm... the app design approach is a bit weird to me... should the keyboard scroll ever at all? I see it is set as header not as footer... but the content is still above it... weird...
[11:26] <WebbyIT> zsombi, yeah, I'm agree it's weird: the keyboard is set as header because verticalLayoutDirection: ListView.BottomToTop
[11:26] <WebbyIT> keyboard as to scroll with old calc
[11:26] <WebbyIT> so when you scroll up to see old calc, keyboard disappears
[11:27] <zsombi> WebbyIT: wow! ok, I see now... :)
[11:31] <zsombi> WebbyIT: ok, fist of all, you have to learn that whenever you use ListView, and even if you only read contentY property, you should subtract originY from it.
[11:31] <zsombi> WebbyIT: otherwise you won't get the real contentY
[11:32] <WebbyIT> zsombi, ok, interesting
[11:32] <zsombi> WebbyIT: however this won't help here, or might help, as for me the kbd only scrolls if the ListView's content goes out of the screen area, so only after few operations
[11:33] <WebbyIT> zsombi, mhh, nice catch, I have a lot of old calc so I didn't see this
[11:33] <zsombi> WebbyIT: so revisit the code, read the Flickable.originY docs carefully, and then see if that will align the scrolling
[11:34] <zsombi> WebbyIT: the position function should work properly if the contentY was not messed.
[11:34] <WebbyIT> zsombi, ok, thanks for your help, I'll try to do this :)
[11:35] <WebbyIT> I'll inform you if I'll be able to fix it
[11:35] <zsombi> WebbyIT: good luck ;)
[13:07] <daker> popey: http://feedback.unity3d.com/suggestions/platforms-unity-editor-for-linu
[13:13] <popey> daker: yeah, see how old that is ☹
[13:14]  * popey votes though
[13:14] <daker> don't lose faith :)
[13:14] <popey> http://feedback.unity3d.com/forums/unity/suggestions?utf8=%E2%9C%93&status=0&category=&view=most_voted
[13:14] <popey> most voted!
[13:37] <om26er> boiko, ping
[13:37] <boiko> om26er: pong
[13:38] <om26er> boiko, how does dialer-app saves call logs ?
[13:38] <om26er> boiko, can I feed some dummy data easily for tests ?
[13:38] <boiko> om26er: it doesn't. history-service does
[13:39] <om26er> boiko, ^ right, lets take history-service in context
[13:39] <boiko> om26er: it uses a sqlite database, but I think it might be even easier to write an app using history API to write fake data
[13:40] <boiko> om26er: there is a tool for importing telepathy-logger data into history-service's database, you can check how it is done and maybe use something similar to write fake data
[13:40] <om26er> boiko, i can just copy over the sql DB and replace it with real data during test run and then restore back, guess its going to be easier ?
[13:41] <om26er> ~/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
[13:41] <boiko> om26er: no need to copy & restore, you can set the database path via environment vars: HISTORY_SQLITE_DBPATH
[13:42] <boiko> om26er: just make sure to restart history-daemon using that env var
[13:42] <om26er> boiko, even better, is there a parameter for contacts as well ?
[13:42] <boiko> om26er: good question, I think there is, ping renato about it when he gets online
[13:43] <boiko> om26er: I'll go for lunch now, but after I'm back I can help you with that
[13:43] <om26er> boiko, great, thanks
[14:52] <WebbyIT> zsombi, I found a strange behavior of contentY of listview in calculator app.
[14:52] <WebbyIT> At the first start, it's -267 and every time user adds something contentY became little (e.g -300). If users remove something using C, contentY became bigger, and there is the scroll of the keyboard
[14:52] <WebbyIT> But after user tears off the calc, contentY stop to changes, and there is no more the keyboard scroll.
[14:52] <WebbyIT> Also if user removes something, contentY doesn't change.
[14:52] <WebbyIT> I'm trying to understand why after tear off contentY is blocked
[15:02] <popey> mzanetti: be there in a second, my google+ experience is broken
[15:03] <mzanetti> the google+ experience
[15:03] <mzanetti> :D
[15:10] <HenrikG> Hello, I am totally new here so I apologize if I am in the wrong place, but I am trying to learn how to develop a HTML5 application for Ubuntu Touch. I am following the tutorial and I cant get it to work. Can I ask for help here?
[15:11] <nik90> HenrikG: yup this is the a good place to ask
[15:12] <nik90> HenrikG: although I am not the person to answer it :P I am more a qml+javascript dev
[15:12] <HenrikG> Cheers! firstly in the tutorial part it says : sudo add apt-repository ppa/ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa -> I guess it should be sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa ?
[15:12] <HenrikG> Well, I can always ask, to begin with the information in the tutorial doesn't seem to be correct
[15:13] <zsombi> WebbyIT: that's the way ListView works... not straight forward :)
[15:13] <zsombi> nik90: sorry, dude, my lunch got diverted into qt5.2 fight...
[15:14] <nik90> zsombi: lol..no worries
[15:14] <nik90> zsombi: I am assuming your EOD is soon..want to talk tomorrow?
[15:14] <zsombi> nik90: but now I'm a bit releafed from it till my next package builds...
[15:14] <WebbyIT> zsombi, mmh, ok, thanks :-)
[15:14] <zsombi> nik90: unless it takes hours :)
[15:15] <nik90> zsombi: it will take at least 30 mins. Also I can come more prepared tomorrow with the questions :)
[15:16] <zsombi> nik90: ok, let's get in touch tomorrow again!
[15:16] <nik90> zsombi: perfect. Will ping you then
[15:17] <zsombi> nik90: awesome :)
[15:21] <om26er> boiko, hey! back ?
[15:21] <boiko> om26er: yep, sorry, I was in a meeting
[15:22] <om26er> boiko, sure, no problem
[15:22] <om26er> boiko, I tried HISTORY_SQLITE_DBPATH but seems to have a problem
[15:22] <om26er> boiko, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6797739/
[15:23] <boiko> om26er: ah, you have to use a file path, HISTORY_SQLITE_DBPATH=/some/path/to/a/database.sqlite
[15:24] <om26er> boiko, very well, seems to work :)
[15:25] <om26er> boiko, thanks
[15:25] <om26er> renato, ping
[15:32] <boiko> om26er: if you don't care about the data in the history database, you can use :memory: as the database path, that creates a database in memory that will be destroyed as soon as the daemon is killed
[15:34] <om26er> boiko, I want pre-populated call logs in this case
[15:35] <boiko> om26er: ah ok, yeah, then the memory one won't be of much use
[15:37] <om26er> boiko, the address-book-app supports ADDRESS_BOOK_TEST_DATA=vcard.vcf I hope there is something for dialer as well
[15:41] <renato> om26er, pong
[15:42] <om26er> renato, do you know if I can load contacts from a different path to appear in dialer-app ?
[15:43] <renato> om26er, what do you mean by different path?
[15:43] <om26er> I need to write a few autopilot tests that would need pre-populated contacts in the contact list
[15:43] <renato> take a look on the contact app autopilot tests
[15:43] <renato> let me check which test
[15:44] <om26er> renato, I did look at those but that didn't work for dialer-app for me
[15:44] <renato> om26er, AddressBookAppTestCase.PRELOAD_VCARD = True
[15:45] <renato> om26er, I think that the dialer-app does not support memory backend
[15:45] <om26er> boiko, ^
[15:46] <renato> om26er, boiko you need to add support for QTCONTACTS_MANAGER_OVERRIDE
[15:46] <renato> take a look on contact app
[15:49] <boiko> om26er: hmm, I thought the QML plugin for contacts would be the one checking the override
[15:51] <om26er> boiko, I can try porting this https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/address-book-app/dynamic-backend/+merge/192326 over to dialer-app
[15:51] <boiko> om26er: that's fine I think
[15:58] <boiko> om26er: I would still prefer this to happen in the contacts plugin though, but for now this is OK
[15:59] <om26er> boiko, if my case gets solved by just replacing the database by a dummy-db I may skip adding the memory backend support
[16:28] <WebbyIT> I'm tring to use valgrind function profiler with QtCreator on Ubuntu 13.10, but I have an error: Error: "/usr/bin/valgrind" could not be started: No private key file given. What could I do?
[16:32] <mzanetti> dpm_: hey, is there some documentation about app armor permission now?
[16:34] <nik90> mzanetti: perhaps this might help http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/
[16:34] <mzanetti> nik90: oh, thanks a lot!
[16:35] <nik90> :)
[16:35] <mzanetti> nik90: music_files is to write to ~/Music, right?
[16:35] <nik90> I am guessing yes
[17:03] <jdstrand> mzanetti: warning-- music_files is a reserved policy group
[17:03] <mzanetti> jdstrand: which means? I cannot write an app that uses it?
[17:04] <jdstrand> apps should use the content-hub for that sort of thing
[17:04] <nik90> mzanetti: yup, at the moment only the music app uses it (or is allowed to use it)
[17:04] <jdstrand> I don't think it is well-defined for music yet, but maybe it is. perhaps tvoss or kenvandine can shed some light on it
[17:05] <jdstrand> the music-app should not have direct access to ~/Music, but it does. that is supposed to change at some point
[17:05] <jdstrand> actually, it is tvoss, kenvandine or jamesh
[17:06] <kenvandine> i think the music-hub is the likely future for this
[17:06] <jdstrand> (tvoss for design, kenvandine for content-hub implementation and jamesh for music/media service)
[17:06] <kenvandine> although i don't know much about the music-hub
[17:06]  * jdstrand either
[17:06] <jdstrand> kenvandine: is that jamesh?
[17:07] <jdstrand> kenvandine: just otoh
[17:07] <kenvandine> content-hub is for exchanging the content between apps, i think the music-hub will give you access to the music library and let you do things like playback
[17:08] <kenvandine> i don't know who is implementing music-hub, tvoss created the project and initial api
[17:08] <mzanetti> my use case would be: xbmcremote download music files from xbmc so the user can listen to them on the go (using the music player - xbmcremote doesn't do playback itself)
[17:10] <kenvandine> it could provide an export for the files it downloads, and the music-app could import them
[17:10] <kenvandine> that would require the music-app to implement a content-hub import handler
[17:10] <kenvandine> which it probably needs anyway
[17:10] <kenvandine> unless the music-hub will provide this separately
[17:10] <kenvandine> not sure
[17:15] <mzanetti> mhm... I guess the music hub would need to move the files to ~/Music when importing
[17:15] <kenvandine> yeah, if the music-hub provides that
[17:15] <kenvandine> if not, the music-app could with it's import handler
[17:16] <mzanetti> in any case this is not happening anytime soon, right?
[17:17] <kenvandine> the music-app could implement an import handler now, the content-hub provides this functionality already
[17:17] <kenvandine> but it would be best to verify the plans for music-hub and how it all fits together first
[17:17] <mzanetti> would the music app have permissions to move the file away from xbmcremote's confined folders?
[17:18] <kenvandine> no
[17:18] <kenvandine> the content-hub does a copy
[17:18] <mzanetti> a copy? so we end up with all the stuff copied?
[17:18] <kenvandine> yes...
[17:18] <mzanetti> oh..
[17:19] <kenvandine> and since you don't need to keep the files in your app, you could remove them after you see the music-app has collected them
[17:20] <kenvandine> when the transfer objects state changes to collected, you could cleanup
[17:20] <mzanetti> mhm
[17:22] <WebbyIT> popey, maybe now keyboard support works in calculator app. Could you try, please?
[17:22] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1267820/+merge/201313
[17:22] <WebbyIT> zsombi helped me to solve the scroll keyboard error
[17:22] <popey> WebbyIT: sure.
[17:23] <WebbyIT> This is definitely  the most grueling patch for calc app that I've made
[17:24] <popey> WebbyIT: that works well!
[17:24] <WebbyIT> Tonight beer for all :)
[17:26] <dpm_> mzanetti, sorry, I was on a call, but yeah, I would have given you that same link http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/ and suggested to talk to Jamie for more details
[17:27]  * dpm_ hugs WebbyIT
[18:25] <labsin> hi all, I'm having issues with click packages. If I update my package, the desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications isn't updated.
[18:26] <labsin> I'm installing the same version with modifications and the /opt/click.. files are updated
[18:26] <labsin> Anyone else has this issue? Wouldn't it be better if they were symlinked?
[18:37] <labsin> ok, how do I best uninstall a click app installed with pkcon?
[18:38] <labsin> just deleting the desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications before installing the click file again did the trick.
[19:15] <buharin_> hello can I mix ubuntusdk qt program with java?
[20:14] <popey> nik90: clock r300.. I am getting no sound from timer .. do you need to add the audio policy group maybe?
[20:59] <nik90> popey: I didnt merge that MP
[21:00] <nik90> popey: On talking to bfiller about the timer, I have to use the Alarms API for it. And that service will be the one which triggers the ringtone. I shouldn't do it from the clock app.
[21:38] <WebbyIT> Someone can help me? http://askubuntu.com/questions/409273/valgrind-and-ubuntusdk
[23:07] <shubhmoy> Can anyone please send me invitation to #ubuntu-beginners-dev?
[23:10] <sarnold> shubhmoy: it looks like it just forwards to #ubuntu
[23:13] <shubhmoy> sarnold, ok. Since I am beginner, some suggested me to go to #ubuntu-beginners-dev. Any ways thanks for your reply
[23:14] <sarnold> shubhmoy: the name does sound appealing, but there's nothing there..
[23:15] <shubhmoy> sarnold, ok. :P
[23:15] <sarnold> ah, related: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-beginners/2013-August/002541.html
[23:17] <shubhmoy> sarnold, oh, that's sad.. anyways, past is past. And there is enough documentation and help available on IRC
[23:19] <popey> mhall119: you about?
[23:20] <mhall119> yup
[23:20] <popey> so someone has made an app which supplies a simple index.html
[23:21] <popey> and I get a white screen when I launch it
[23:21] <popey> am trying to figure out if it's a malformed desktop file or something
[23:22] <popey> hah, typo
[23:22] <popey> Exec=webbrowswer-app index.html
[23:22] <popey> ridicule mode engaged
[23:23] <mhall119> popey: where are you running it (desktop or device)?
[23:23] <popey> device
[23:23] <popey> s/webbrowswer-app/webbrowser-app/
[23:24] <mhall119> installed via click or otherwise?
[23:28] <popey> yes, click from the store
[23:28] <popey> well, I download the click, push to phone and pkcon install
[23:28] <mhall119> does it have a Path= property in the .desktop?
[23:28] <popey> no path in the .desktop file in the click package
[23:29] <mhall119> sounds like it didn't install properly then, is the .desktop in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?
[23:29] <popey> path is set on install though by pkcon i imagine
[23:29] <popey> it did
[23:29] <popey> its all installed infe
[23:29] <popey> *fine
[23:29] <popey> the guy simply typoed the Exec line - see above
[23:29] <mhall119> oh, I thought you were correcting yourself, lol
[23:29] <popey> interesting that during install the Path= gets added
[23:29] <popey> :_)
[23:51] <mhall119> let's the app developer not care about where click is going to put it
[23:54] <popey> ya
[23:56] <popey> oh wait
[23:56] <popey> do we still have that issue with capitals letters in desktop file names?
[23:58] <popey> ** (process:3980): WARNING **: Unable to exec: Permission denied
[23:58] <popey> bah
[23:58] <popey> cant fathom why this isnt working