[04:26] <jcastro> hi guys!
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hey
[04:26] <Burgundavia> just wondering what exactly you wanted to post in the calendar
[04:27] <jcastro> I thought daniel wanted to have a MOTU Q+A session this friday
[04:28] <jcastro> but I am unsure if it's supposed to be there because he wanted to do one weekly or if he wanted to do them explicitly.
[04:28] <jcastro> unfortunately he's long asleep, but I will ask right away first thing tomorrow
[04:28] <Burgundavia> right, ok
[04:29] <jcastro> Burgundavia: my loco asks for official status tomorrow! big day!
[04:29] <Burgundavia> guess I will have to vote against that
[04:29] <jcastro> that would be awesome
[04:30] <jcastro> "jorge should be killed, denied."
[04:30] <Burgundavia> "clearly just another example of Canonical interfering the community"
[04:31] <jcastro> clearly
[04:31] <jcastro> ironically, our Loco was jammq, me, and other people
[04:31] <jcastro> it was stricly a social thing
[04:32] <jcastro> basically, "new ubuntu, time to go to the bar."
[04:32] <jcastro> then we got flooded by new people
[04:32] <jcastro> who had ideas about doing actual work
[04:32] <jcastro> quite disturbing
[04:32] <Burgundavia> did I tell you about the email I got, attacking Ubuntu for being nothing more than a drinking club?
[04:32] <jcastro> (they've rocked since then)
[04:32] <jcastro> yeah
[04:32] <jcastro> I got that


[20:54] <Faissl> my company has been fully ubuntized :)
[20:54] <Faissl> 6 pcs and counting
[20:59] <Faissl> we still forming for the call center team, we gonna use Asterisk instead of Avaya and Cisco
[20:59] <Faissl> forming the*


[12:33] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +122 cases (now 1.6 million), +4 deaths (now 28047), +13971 tests (now 11.2 million) since a day ago


[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:05] <davmor2> brobostigon: Morning dude how's life?
[09:09] <brobostigon> davmor2: a mess, but trying to think postivly and looking forward to better. and you?
[09:10] <brobostigon> https://download.cyanogenmod.org/get/jenkins/187783/cm-14.1-20161130-NIGHTLY-mako.zip woop
[09:10] <davmor2> brobostigon: ouch that wasn't quite the answer I was expecting :( But also Yay for you.  As for me busy and tired but hey I got  a dishwasher and new tablet from black friday so am overjoyed
[09:11] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[09:14] <davmor2> popey: I strayed from the hudl2 the battery started to only last for 2 hours, I picked up the Lenovo Tab 3 8inch fantastic tablet only one complaint it doesn't dim enough but I'm down to 64% battery on 2 days use \o/
[09:17] <popey> nice
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> i got the lenovo tab2 8 incher in argos on special a few months back... tis nice.  battery life is good. only thing i find iffy is that tumblr app is very crashy on it and not other android devices i've tried
[09:18] <foobarry> hudl2 is prefect except for software and battery
[09:18] <foobarry> mini hdmi out micro sd, it has the lot
[09:18] <foobarry> for battery read intel chips
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> and i do like otg devices... been able to plug a usb drive with a micro usb socket on one end and normal usb-a on the other is dead handy at geeky meetups for swapping files
[09:20] <davmor2> foobarry: yeah I loved my hudl2 when the battery lasted 6-8hours but when it got down to 2 it was ridiculous
[09:24] <foobarry> £11.99 buys you a new battery
[09:24] <foobarry> or 9.99 actually
[09:24] <foobarry> lots sold so must be an issue
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> how old are the hudl2's now? getting on a bit
[09:27] <davmor2> foobarry: yeah it is but then you got to go through the hassle of opening the device, replacing the battery and so on, so I got £120 Tablet for £90 instead and no looking back, similar power, marshmellow, runs my banking app that the hudl2 didn't and so on
[09:29] <davmor2> oh and the battery lasts days doing the same thing as on the hudl2 :)
[09:29] <popey> mine is 2 years old
[09:30] <popey> battery on my hudl2 is fine
[09:30] <popey> but then i rarely use it anymore :)
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> which in battery years is? :-)
[09:30] <davmor2> popey: do you ever unplug it :D
[09:30] <popey> Sam used it for ages, but now he has my OnePlus One, he never uses the hudl2
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Computer Security Day! 😃  🔒
[09:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: I discovered this a few days ago looking into firewall for modding a setting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_sSNTP2-T0 enjoy
[10:52] <JamesTait> davmor2, I've left the playlist running, I quite like it.
[11:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[11:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: the original is more of a rock/pop song but I preferred the nightcore version
[11:20] <foobarry> oh. my touchpad does charge if it already has decent charge
[11:20] <foobarry> trickles very slowly
[11:20] <foobarry> with the raspi charger
[11:20] <foobarry> but not from zero
[14:22] <diddledan> davmor2: good tune!
[14:24] <davmor2> diddledan: apt at least :)
[14:51] <diddledan> https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/downloads-make-it-even-easier-to-watch-netflix-on-the-go
[14:55] <m0nkey_> can confirm
[14:55] <m0nkey_> it's available
[14:55] <m0nkey_> not for everything, but most things
[15:03] <daftykins> time to hunt for a wall bracket for that fancy 65" LG OLED :O
[15:09] <diddledan> scathing: https://richardskingdom.net/investigatory-powers-act-rebuttal
[15:17] <diddledan> I found a bug so I made light of it via humour: https://github.com/eclipse/che/issues/3205
[15:19] <diddledan> note my purposeful typo
[15:20] <davmor2> diddledan: man it got fix fast ;)
[15:23] <diddledan> yup
[15:32] <m0nkey_> wow, i just found my old nexus one
[15:33] <diddledan> :-o
[15:33] <m0nkey_> its charging
[15:34] <daftykins> D:
[15:34] <m0nkey_> should be able to put jelly bean on it, right?
[15:35] <daftykins> specs are so bad it wouldn't be worth any effort.
[15:35] <m0nkey_> lol
[15:36] <daftykins> nah deadly serious, 512MB RAM, oof
[15:36] <m0nkey_> it has a legacy feature, which all phones should include
[15:36] <m0nkey_> a user replaceable battery
[15:36] <m0nkey_> even my Note 4 has that feature
[15:36] <daftykins> i'd be willing to bet most people have moved on before they ever have need to change one anyway
[15:47] <daftykins> m0nkey_: haha cyanogenmod gave up at gingerbread O_O (CM v7)
[15:55] <m0nkey_> daftykins, 7.2 was released for it, that appears to be Android 4.4.4
[15:55]  * m0nkey_ is taking bets on weather Purolator screws up the delivery again today
[15:55] <m0nkey_> This was yesterday: Delayed in transit due to missed connection
[15:56] <m0nkey_> Supposed to arrive today
[15:56] <daftykins> not if it's CM
[15:57] <diddledan> m0nkey_: what you getting delivered?
[15:57] <m0nkey_> gtx 1060
[15:57] <diddledan> nice!
[15:57] <daftykins> 3GB or 6GB?
[15:58] <diddledan> all the GB
[15:58] <m0nkey_> 6GB
[15:58] <daftykins> aww yeah just scp'd the last of the ripped music to a clients file server and desktop PC \o/ yay for remote access
[15:59] <daftykins> also yay for 10Mb upload :D
[16:02] <diddledan> AWS has revenue of 13bn
[16:03] <diddledan> that's their last year
[16:13] <daftykins> mmk :)
[16:37] <diddledan> amazon are launching fpga instances
[16:37] <diddledan> so that's a compute instance that is connected somehow to fpga chips
[16:38] <daftykins> mmhmm
[17:39] <m0nkey_> I just had a call from Purolator
[17:40] <diddledan> oh dear
[17:40] <m0nkey_> They claim it's at the 'depot', but no update. Then she went on to say 'It was left at the door'. I bet they lost it.
[17:40] <m0nkey_> I told them it better have not been left at the door, any bugger could just take it.
[17:41] <m0nkey_> I work from home, to make sure somebody is here to receive it, now they've failed two days in a row.
[17:45] <m0nkey_> http://i.imgur.com/Rg0QIQ9.gif
[17:45] <diddledan> haha
[17:46] <m0nkey_> sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBzU8TD1iks
[18:01] <m0nkey_> My guess, somebody 'broke' the box it was in, found it was a GTX 1060 and swiped it.
[18:03] <diddledan> mebbe
[18:19] <diddledan> amazon just announced a shipping container
[18:19] <diddledan> "AWS Snowmobile"
[18:20] <diddledan> 100PB container in a 45ft truck
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> windows 10 actually _runs_ on it :-D
[18:22] <daftykins> pff
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> i remember a.c.clarke predicting 4pb in a shoebox sized contained for mid 2050s iirc... looking like we'll get there
[18:28] <daftykins> could be!
[18:28] <diddledan> of course there's gonna be many jokes when yottabytes are commonplace: "boy, you've got a yotta bytes!"
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> he was suggesting they would be used to distribute illegal copies of library of congress type databases cheap for home useage...
[18:29] <diddledan> but the library of congress takes a couple gig, I thought?
[18:29] <m0nkey_> OK, another agent has just told me it's on the truck with the driver. They don't seem to know what the heck is going on.
[18:30] <daftykins> standard courier then
[18:30] <zmoylan-pi> all the text of library of congress is about 4pb iirc
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not sure if that's with or without compression
[18:32] <zmoylan-pi> ah, 1 million google accounts compromised by android malware...
[18:32] <diddledan> \o/
[18:32] <m0nkey_> link?
[18:32] <m0nkey_> Canada Post is the only decent service for deliveries
[18:33] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/1-million-android-accounts-compromised-by-android-malware-called-gooligan/
[18:33] <daftykins> once again only third party marketplaces, so wholly moot when following sane practices
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> put your android device in a plastic bag, never connect it to the net or a pc. leave it locked in a dark drawer and you're grand
[18:34] <diddledan> what you mean f-droid is unsafe?!
[18:35] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: don't spread FUD
[18:35] <zmoylan-pi> a layer of fud on top of it in the drawer will help too :-)
[18:35] <diddledan> elma fudd
[18:35] <daftykins> i've seen articles that claim it's mostly in the east that people are using third party marketplaces
[18:36] <diddledan> probably getting cracked softwares too
[18:36] <diddledan> hence the third-party marketplace
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> yeah it does seem that 3rd party markets are the big malware sources for android but a few have made it past google into marketplace till they've been discovered
[18:37] <daftykins> sure, but you have to really be installing some really weird junk to get hit
[18:37] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah or region restrictions maybe
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> be vewy vewy qwiet, it's malware season
[18:37] <daftykins> a client can't get MS Word right now on android because they like to stick their middle finger at anyone signed up with a Guernsey address
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> well those tax havens are notorious :-P
[18:38]  * diddledan middle-fingers daftykins .. quite hard.
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> full of pirates
[18:38] <diddledan> *pokey poke poke*
[18:38] <m0nkey_> it's here!
[18:38] <diddledan> \o/
[18:38] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: it's not a f*ing tax haven.
[18:38] <m0nkey_> that first agent was useless
[18:38] <diddledan> daftykins: anymore
[18:38] <daftykins> and i'd appreciate you not to talk bs about my home either
[18:38] <daftykins> no, nor was it
[18:39] <diddledan> :-p
[18:39] <daftykins> tossers
[18:40] <diddledan> I still don't really understand the relationship between the islands and britain
[18:40] <diddledan> as a britisher we tend to think we "own" the islands
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's people think islands and then mix everything they've heard about all of them under one big label 'islands' and thus mistakes are begun
[18:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you're misspelling ireland :-p
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> well as a german mate said, 'ireland is an island... barely' he wasn't a fan of the damp which comes at you from every direction
[18:42] <m0nkey_> Britain rules the world. We only let the US think they do.
[18:42] <diddledan> lol
[18:42] <diddledan> as a friend would say "slap the locals away with my british passport"
[18:42] <daftykins> well that's definitely a refreshing statement to hear diddledan, usually i find the English are trying to teach me about my own home :>
[18:42] <daftykins> that got old very quickly at Uni
[18:43] <m0nkey_> This is why Canada exists, it's bigger and it's on top. Mostly colonized by Brits.
[18:43] <daftykins> diet 'murica
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> and exists just to annoy the americans :-P
[18:44] <diddledan> daftykins: I can tell you about your home.. you live there! (that's about the sum of my knowledge :-p)
[18:45] <diddledan> <-- Mormon
[18:45] <m0nkey_> Think about it, the US didn't go to war with Iraq, the UK did.  The UK also recently introduced the 'snooping' charter, which you can bet your bottom it will be adopted in the US shortly.
[18:45] <diddledan> or should that be Norman?
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> well... the uk has always been snooping, now they're just making it official
[18:45] <diddledan> I think we need an interlude: https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/804033532351971329/photo/1
[18:46] <m0nkey_> They've been testing the snooping in the US, now deployed on a small scale.
[18:47] <diddledan> I like how Britain now has the most repressive surveilance laws in existence which everyone are now clamouring to copy
[18:47] <diddledan> "we're world leaders"
[18:47] <m0nkey_> Then before you know it, BOOM. Everybody has a Telescreen in their living room
[18:48] <diddledan> nowai
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> why bother when you've trained all the citizens to carry cameras and microphones around with them 24x7
[18:49] <diddledan> I sometimes talk to the people bugging my home
[18:49] <diddledan> the idea is to make them wonder if I know they're listening
[18:50] <daftykins> or scare the children
[18:50] <m0nkey_> Not everyone has a cell phone, especially here.
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> where's here m0nkey_?
[18:50] <m0nkey_> Anywho
[18:50] <m0nkey_> Canada
[18:50] <diddledan> again, Britain is leading the way on self-surveilance
[18:50] <m0nkey_> You'll be surprised how many people don't have a cell phone here
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> large spaces still out of coverage i suspect?
[18:51] <m0nkey_> Anywho, I'm going to write a new program this weekend. It's going to generate web browsing noise. Not too much to make look like you're masking something, but just enough to fill their logs up with crap.
[18:51] <diddledan> Britain has the most penetration of cellular surveilance equipment disguised as a phone and has the highest proportion of owners submitting their daily activities to the state social network, Facebook
[18:52] <m0nkey_> In Canada, most of the coverage is located in major cities and along the border (where 95% of the population live)
[18:52] <m0nkey_> When you head north, little or no cell coverage
[18:52] <diddledan> the border is well populated because it's full of Americans who escaped
[18:52] <m0nkey_> Heck, I drove to Guelph from Montreal, about half way, there was no cell coverage.
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> solar powered mesh connecting mini towers attached to migrating moose... :-P
[18:54] <m0nkey_> And just for fun, I've started reading 1984 again. :)
[18:54] <diddledan> what's the plural of Moose? Meese? Mooses? Mice?
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> read it out loud so the security services aren't bored on the job
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> meeses
[18:54] <m0nkey_> diddledan, it's just moose.
[18:55] <m0nkey_> If you lived in Canada, you'd know that.
[18:55] <diddledan> :-p
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> by the time you've worked out the plural for moose you've been trampled by a herd so saving time is important...
[18:55] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/803837204745306116
[18:56] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/803580527974449152
[18:57] <m0nkey_> I need to follow that account
[18:59] <diddledan> is it really bad that I know where this picture comes from? https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/801944746138554368
[19:00] <diddledan> hint, it's a kids' show
[19:00] <m0nkey_> *sigh*
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> they're doing a reboot of that show aren't they?
[19:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: really?
[19:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD>
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> hmm, there was buzz when the 20th anniversary of the show debut rolled around a few months back... http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/09/27/sabrina-the-teenage-witch-anniversary-reboot-melissa-joan-hart/#!
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> they've rehashed every other mediocre show/movie
[19:07] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/rNk0yTKj0oU
[19:12] <diddledan> interesting that they're using a standard HDD
[19:12] <diddledan> especially as it's only 1TB.
[19:13] <diddledan> I think it would have been better-off by replacing the MSATA SSD with a huge NVMe SSD and getting-rid of the HDD altogether
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> whilest soldering the ram to the motherboard
[19:14] <daftykins> what makes you say it's mSATA? it's M.2
[19:14] <diddledan> I thought that's what she said
[19:14]  * diddledan re-runs it
[19:15] <diddledan> you're right
[19:15] <diddledan> M.2
[19:15] <daftykins> i mean an M.2 device can still be pinned for SATA or PCIe operation, but i'd hope it's the latter given the age of the device
[19:17] <diddledan> still, it would be better to use a large SSD than the hybrid nonsense
[19:18] <daftykins> yip
[19:18] <daftykins> that whole machine overall is a joke
[19:18] <daftykins> every all-in-one is, really
[19:19] <diddledan> every manufacturer seems to think integration is the best rather than customisation
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> because apple made a profit doing it
[19:24]  * zmoylan-pi remembers when pc manufacturer ast shortened keyboard cables by 6" to save i think it was 5c per pc.  made their pcs unusable as the cables were too short to reach from under average desk to desk surface.  the keyboard would slide towards the pc
[19:25] <daftykins> was that PS/2 connector days, or DIN?
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's DIN?
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> ps/2 at that stage
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> and a few sockets were damaged by keyboard undertension pulling at the motherboard
[19:26] <diddledan> back then it was common for PCs to be horizontal "desktop" units rather than vertical "tower" units
[19:26] <diddledan> seems everything is tower these days
[19:27] <diddledan> for self-build that is
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> true but some of their bigger desktops took up too much space so were put on floor on their side
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> ...and made a nice warm spot under your desk for those winter days
[19:28]  * diddledan remembers his first Windows PC - I skipped 3.1 altogether and jumped direct from an 8086 CPU running DOS to a P133 running Win95
[19:28] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: something to put your feet on :-p
[19:29] <m0nkey_> boo. Can't use my new 1060 until xmas day :(
[19:29] <diddledan> awww :-(
[19:30] <diddledan> swap it anyway and tell the wife the one in the box is still the "new" one
[19:30] <m0nkey_> lol
[19:30] <m0nkey_> I did think about that, but it wouldn't be fair.
[19:30] <m0nkey_> She's not allowed hers until xmas either
[19:30] <daftykins> her what? same card? :P
[19:31] <m0nkey_> No, a new PVR
[19:31] <diddledan> \o/
[19:31] <m0nkey_> She wanted the new one which records 8 channels at any given time
[19:31] <diddledan> you're stuch a good Husband :-)
[19:31] <m0nkey_> PLus it does 4K
[19:31] <m0nkey_> So, next thing will be a 4K TV
[19:31] <diddledan> :-o
[19:31] <diddledan> new TV FTW
[19:31] <diddledan> birthday?
[19:32] <diddledan> :-p
[19:32] <diddledan> course you've just had yours
[19:32] <diddledan> so it'll have to be hers?
[19:32] <daftykins> but what broadcast 4K are you going to get that a PVR can record?
[19:32]  * daftykins blinks
[19:32] <m0nkey_> Didn't get it for the 4K
[19:32] <m0nkey_> got it for the recording
[19:32] <diddledan> prolly does netflix which has some 4K
[19:33] <daftykins> yeah i'm kinda wondering what of a PVR needs to support 4K though
[19:33] <daftykins> unless it's got tuners as a cable box as well or some such
[19:34] <diddledan> if Virgin let you plug your own box into the cable I'd be tempted to get cable
[19:34] <daftykins> surely there's no own box for TV services though
[19:34] <daftykins> if you meant TV
[19:35] <diddledan> well nobody sells them in the UK because Virgin legalese you into not buying them
[19:35] <popey> there are generic cable boxes, but they're generally not supported in the UK
[19:36] <diddledan> I think Virgin scramble the DVB table too, so you need a correction matrix to be able to tune even unencrypted channels
[19:38] <diddledan> it is supposed to be standard DVB-C though so apart from the protection on the channel list you should be able to get off-the-shelf stuff to work
[19:39] <diddledan> the thing with cable though is that it's bi-directional so they will probably be able to see that you've got an illegal device attached
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> that and you've stopped ringing their complaints department from using their buggy box :-)
[19:41] <diddledan> hah. negative reinforcement
[19:41] <diddledan> "as long as they keep phoning for support we're good"
[19:42] <popey> I had a friend who would modify set top boxes so they didnt call back
[19:42] <popey> that was fun
[19:42] <popey> meant he could use cracked cards
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> *pets his satellite dish*
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> no cards required, AND unscrambled DVB-S(2) signals ;)
[19:43]  * daftykins pats not watching crap
[19:44] <diddledan> \o/
[19:44] <zmoylan-pi> cracked cards and the battle to keep using them took so much time in the 90s
[19:44] <popey> yeah
[19:44] <popey> i remember the 'seasons' software back in the day to decode signals offline to make a key for cards
[19:53] <oliver__> quit
[19:53] <oliver__> \q
[19:54] <oliver__> \quit
[20:06] <brobostigon> https://open.spotify.com/track/7Js4OF5MUb2bqJe09g4uQE :)
[20:20] <m0nkey_> The wife is awesome
[20:20] <m0nkey_> She got home from work 10 mins ago, saw it and said I can use it :D
[20:20] <m0nkey_> Off I go and install
[20:22] <daftykins> woo
[20:50] <m0nkey_> gtx 1060!
[20:50] <m0nkey_> for s&g, i ran the steamvm benchmark, vr ready baby!
[20:51] <daftykins> s&g?
[20:51] <daftykins> yawn VR :P
[20:51] <m0nkey_> gonna run 3dmark now
[20:51] <m0nkey_> back soon
[21:41] <daftykins> and that was the last they heard from m0nkey
[22:15] <m0nkey_> I'm back
[22:15] <m0nkey_> Got a pretty decent bench
[22:15] <daftykins> now for a game! :)
[22:17] <m0nkey_> But can it run Crysis?
[22:17] <daftykins> i lost interest in playing those many moons ago
[22:17] <m0nkey_> I'll re-install Fallout4
[22:17] <m0nkey_> It used to lag on that game
[22:17] <daftykins> what was your last card?
[22:18] <m0nkey_> gtx 960
[22:19] <daftykins> wow that was a tiny upgrade
[22:20] <m0nkey_> it's almost double the performance
[22:21] <zmoylan-pi> scrolling text has never been so responsive :-P
[22:22] <m0nkey_> tested in GTA V, framerate has increased, no more lag which makes it much more enjoyable
[22:22] <Gargoyle> m0nkey_: Happy with it then? I've got the 1060 pegged for a new system build after xmas?
[22:23] <daftykins> yeah, but just surprising for you to upgrade from
[22:23] <daftykins> i went 560Ti -> 1070 :D
[22:23] <m0nkey_> daftykins, i want to get into VR, the 960 was just under the benchmark
[22:24] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wty9j6ttp1d5hqx/4.jpg?dl=0 :D
[22:24] <m0nkey_> would have loved to get the 1070, but there was a $200 price difference
[22:24] <daftykins> where's the 960 headed?
[22:25] <daftykins> yeah i think i paid £360
[22:25] <m0nkey_> it's now in the pc in the living room, replacing an old radeon hd 6850
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> does it make the pc kick out more heat?
[22:26] <m0nkey_> not really
[22:26] <daftykins> everything newer would be more power efficient than an AMD HD 6850 XD
[22:27] <m0nkey_> less since i took the 6850 out
[23:13] <diddledan> I writted a thing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:14] <diddledan> I believe I'm a coolkid now I've published on medium?
[23:36] <diddledan> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/30/16000-nutella-found-during-canadian-drug-trafficking-sting/94684600
[23:45] <m0nkey_> lets face it, nutella is f**king delicious


[08:36] <Q_Continuum> Anyone happen to have a apt-mirror config file for an ARM repo mirror?
[08:37] <Q_Continuum> I have a Marvel SheevaPlug on it's way, and I wanted to start getting a mirror set up, as I'll be on limited 'net for the first week I have the device and want to putz with it.
[09:19] <kedars> I am creating an RFS by chrooting into it. When I install anything like sshd etc. then by-default that services starts in the chrooted RFS itself.
[09:19] <kedars> Thus I cannot umount /dev /proc and other directories from the chroot
[09:20] <kedars> is there any apt-get option where I can specify don't start these daemons etc.?
[10:17] <lool> Q_Continuum: Sorry I don't have one but if you have any Ubuntu one you can just replace archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu with ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[10:18] <lool> arch is armel, you want jaunty and/or karmic dists
[10:18] <lool> Or series rather
[23:30] <beyossi> hi,
[23:30] <beyossi> anybody is familiar with: "sudo: must be setuid root" issue?, most of the forums discussions are about desktop environments where installation cd may be in use. i can't realy use my  board without sudo ...


[12:34] <kalikiana> Grey_Loki, To add new programs to the menu, just create desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications :)
[12:37] <Grey_Loki> kalikiana, i think that would be the best course of action, if I knew what the executable name was.
[12:37] <Grey_Loki> According to the site, it's 'kmuddy', but it doesn't 'go' for me.
[12:38] <Grey_Loki> Iono. Too late to be doing tech support - bedtime for me :P
[12:38] <kalikiana> Well, either inspect the Makefile or do 'find -name / kmuddy' :)
[12:39] <kalikiana> Actually 'find / -name "*kmuddy*"' would be better...
[12:49] <Grey_Loki> It was from a .deb, so no makefile.
[12:50] <Grey_Loki> Either way, it's too late to be doing stuff like this - mistakes happen
[12:50] <Grey_Loki> Thanks anyways :)
[01:16] <knw> hi is there a RDC that will connect to a Windows 2003 SBS for ubuntu
[01:18] <somerville32> rdesktop?
[01:18] <knw> won't connect to a 2003 SBS
[01:18] <knw> TLS authentication/encryption enabled for client connections
[01:19] <wavez> does xubuntu have an apt-get front end?
[01:20] <somerville32> synaptics
[01:20] <Arkh> synaptic :p
[01:20] <Arkh> synaptics is the touchpad thingy
[01:21] <somerville32> lol
[01:21] <wavez> ah ha, thank you
[01:22] <wavez> it's been quite a while since I've used linux, and I've never used ubuntu. Is there a simplied, dumbed-down process to mount my media card reader, in xubuntu?
[01:23] <Arkh> is it a sd card reader?
[01:23] <wavez> ya
[01:23] <wavez> and others, but the card is SD
[01:24] <Arkh> well do a lspci first
[01:25] <Arkh> anything that looks like the card reader?
[01:25] <wavez> I don't see it yet
[01:26] <Arkh> mm
[01:26] <Arkh> dmesg | grep -i sd
[01:26] <Arkh> http://rafb.net/paste
[01:26] <Arkh> can youpaste the output there and give me the link?
[01:26] <wavez> almost everything in the list from lspci is AMD or nVidia
[01:26] <wavez> sure
[01:27] <Arkh> wavez, out of curiosity what laptop do you have?
[01:27] <wavez> it's a desktop...
[01:27] <Arkh> oops :p
[01:27] <wavez> custom built by a local shop =)
[01:27] <Arkh> nothing then :P
[01:28] <wavez> Arkh, http://rafb.net/p/Aqrp0b91.html
[01:29] <Arkh> mmhm
[01:30] <Arkh> do you have a sata hard disk?
[01:31] <wavez> I think so
[01:31] <wavez> it's not ide
[01:32] <wavez> ya, it is
[01:32] <wavez> I couldn't remember what the other kind was
[01:32] <rici> scsi
[01:32] <Arkh> it doesn't seem that the system sees the card reader though
[01:38] <wavez> I'm trying to get firefox 2.0 installed. I have 1.5 atm
[01:38] <wavez> Arkh, I'm planning on running VMware, so I can use windows to get at the card reader
[01:38] <Arkh> which xubuntu do you have wavez ?
[01:38] <wavez> 6.06.1
[01:39] <Arkh> oh I see
[01:39] <Arkh> on 6.10 there is FF 2 by default
[01:39] <wavez> I tried marking firefox 1.5 for upgrade, but it stayed as 1.5
[01:42] <wavez> it doesn't even list 2.0 when I bring up the force version dialog
[01:42] <Arkh> mm let me see
[01:42] <wavez> and I did a download changelog
[01:43] <Arkh> I see
[01:43] <Arkh> on 6.06 latest version is 1.5
[01:43] <wavez> someone told me there is a tool to convert rpms into debs (?)
[01:44] <Qew> wavez: alien
[01:44] <Qew> *yeah, that's what it's called
[01:44] <wavez> ah, thanks
[01:51] <knw> how do I enable dual monitors with 2 different vid cards
[01:52] <knw> agp/pci
[01:52] <wavez> I guess FF 2 is only available as a tarball. What would be the best way to install this and not create issues on my system?
[02:01] <wavez> I want to remove firefox 1.5 so I don't have multiple browser versions, but when I try to remove it in Synaptic, it says it also have to remove xubuntu-desktop O_o
[02:03] <pengua1> Are you going to use the automatic update facility?
[02:03] <wavez> I can't. Firefox 2.0 is available for 6.06.1
[02:03] <wavez> isn't
[02:04] <pengua1> if not, xubuntu is non-critical, it's just there to hold the packages together for updates
[02:04] <pengua1> sorry, in general will you be using it?
[02:05] <wavez> for most things like gaim, yes
[02:05] <wavez> but other things, like Blender, no, because they aren't current enough
[02:05] <pengua1> do you go through synaptic and update every so often?
[02:06] <pengua1> or just let it do it itself?
[02:06] <wavez> I just got xubuntu installed today, so I'm not sure what I'll do
[02:06] <pengua1> right, just update firefox, don't worry about removing that package
[02:07] <pengua1> it's common to all of ubuntu
[02:07] <wavez> ok, thnx
[02:07] <pengua1> it just means your auto-update will be broken
[02:49] <_3oo3> can someone tell me some big differences between xubuntu and slackware?
[02:51] <Arkh> xubuntu is ubuntu, aka debian based
[02:51] <Arkh> slackware is just slackware
[02:51] <Arkh> they are different Gnu/linux distros :p
[02:51] <_3oo3> ok, well that was pretending to answer....can someone tell me some fundamental differences between xubuntu and slackware?
[02:52] <_3oo3> i know xubuntu is primarily x11 based....
[02:52] <_3oo3> and slackware has a similar option....im concerned that basic setup might be differnet
[02:53] <Arkh> x11?
[02:53] <_3oo3> jesus.  is there a #xubuntu-development or something similar on this server?
[02:53] <Arkh> slackware is more complez to learn
[02:54] <Arkh> xubuntu is only ubuntu with xfce
[02:54] <Arkh> nothing more.
[02:54] <_3oo3> are you saying I should ask in #ubuntu?
[02:55] <Arkh> if you want to know the differences between ubuntu and slackware
[02:55] <Arkh> go ask in ##linux
[03:20] <_3oo3> what is the boot option for text only install?
[03:22] <_3oo3> anyone?!
[03:23] <pengua1> try #ubuntu
[03:23] <pengua1> i'm afraid I don't know
[03:23] <_3oo3> it should be a boot option for a GRAPHICAL install, not the other way around
[03:26] <Arkh> _3oo3, there is the alternate install cd for text install
[03:26] <Arkh> you should have read the description of the cds "before" downloading it
[03:27] <_3oo3> Arkh...I assumed the developers were using their heads ^_^
[03:28] <Arkh> well if you want it to be simple
[03:28] <Arkh> graphical installer is the way
[03:29] <_3oo3> well, that's not what I asked, now is it?
[03:29] <pengua1> but you need 512mb ram really
[03:29] <_3oo3> it's an older laptop
[03:30] <Arkh> good for you
[03:31] <Arkh> you should have used your eyes
[03:31] <Arkh> and read these two lines
[03:31] <pengua1> been there, done that, graphical is impossible. try text install and hop you have an internet connection because you won't find verything you want on the CD
[03:31] <Arkh> This type of CD is what most people will want to use.
[03:31] <Arkh> :P
[03:32] <Arkh> I installed it once through graphical and it works pretty bad
[03:32] <Arkh> anyways I am used to debian install so I use the alternate everytime :)
[03:33] <_3oo3> pengua1: no cd's....no boot option on the graphical install disc?
[03:34] <pengua1> can you get a text install CD?
[03:35] <_3oo3> grr....do I communiate badly?  Or is english not the preferred language in here?    I'm not some newbie linux wannabe.  All I asked was if there was a god damn boot option to not use x11 to install!  Stop trying to be smart.
[03:37] <Arkh> lol
[03:38] <Arkh> there isn't a boot text option idiot.
[03:38] <Arkh> use the alternate cd next time .
[03:38] <Arkh> can you get the differene between
[03:38] <Arkh> Desktop CD
[03:38] <Arkh> You will need at least 128MB of RAM to install from this CD.
[03:38] <_3oo3> Good.      You do.
[03:47] <Arkh> [03:47:08]  <Arkh> rofl
[03:47] <Arkh> :D
[03:48] <icicled> he queried you?
[03:48] <icicled> he/she
[03:48] <Arkh> yepp
[03:48] <icicled> is there anything less than n00b?
[03:48] <icicled> :P
[03:49] <Arkh> [03:49:05]  <_3oo3> ok, kid.  i hope you've got a dynamic IP.
[03:49] <Arkh> lol
[03:52] <hoto_> bu
[03:52] <icicled> rp
[03:52] <Arkh> hoto_, too late
[03:52] <Arkh> :P
[03:52] <samarkand> hello
[03:53] <Arkh> * _3oo3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>ha abbandonato #xubuntu ("Konversation terminated!")
[03:53] <Arkh> :D
[03:53] <Arkh> hi sacater
[03:53] <Arkh> samarkand, *
[03:53] <Arkh> oops :)
[03:53] <samarkand> I must say this distro runs pretty well on this oold PII 350 ;)
[04:02] <Arkh> lol pengua1 you missed the best
[04:02] <Arkh> http://rafb.net/p/F9pdnH78.html
[04:02] <Arkh> ;P
[04:15] <_G_N_A_A> i tink sum1 haxxored my ssh :(
[04:16] <_G_N_A_A> i did not even have it enabulled.
[04:17] <_G_N_A_A> kan sum1 help? i am an expert but dont know how to fix my ssh
[04:19] <_G_N_A_A> HELLO?!  I WANT SOM1 HELP SOMEONE HACK MY SSH AND I CANT GET THEM OFF AND THEY DONT SHOW UP IN WHO AND I NOT EVEN HAVE SSH ENABLED.
[04:21] <_G_N_A_A> kan sum1 help? i am an expert but dont know how to fix my ssh
[04:22] <_G_N_A_A> i did not evem have it enabulled but sum1 got in and they not show up in who
[04:22] <somerville32> How do you know they got in via ssh if they don't show up in who?
[04:23] <_G_N_A_A> they say 'watrch this' and move files and fill my scripts with junk
[04:23] <tprice> hey
[04:23] <_G_N_A_A> i not even have it enabled
[04:24] <tprice> I could use some help with ubuntu server, can anyone help
[04:24] <_G_N_A_A> tprice windows server 2003 is easy.
[04:24] <tprice> yeah but it costs money
[04:24] <somerville32> _G_N_A_A, How did they communicate with?
[04:24] <_G_N_A_A> tprice:  you have to pay money not to think and still be functional.
[04:25] <_G_N_A_A> somerville32 talk
[04:25] <tprice> I was going to experiment with the LAMP server
[04:25] <somerville32> _G_N_A_A, What do you mean by "they fill my scripts with junk"?
[04:26] <_G_N_A_A> samer all my rc.local and module files....everything....some guy on irc i mouthed off to him and he fuck me up real bad
[04:26] <_G_N_A_A> boy, I should watch what I say to people on here, huh?
[04:26] <somerville32> Simply disconnect your computer from the network to end the attack.
[04:27] <tprice> lol
[04:27] <somerville32> What operating system are you running?
[04:27] <_G_N_A_A> somerville32:  xubuntu
[04:27] <somerville32> And you don't have any applications with open ports on your computer?
[04:28] <_G_N_A_A> i dont even know man...im just gonna reinstall....
[04:28] <somerville32> What network was this person on?
[04:28] <_G_N_A_A> but if you guys see a guy named _3oo3 in here watch out
[04:28] <_G_N_A_A> that guy no playin
[04:29] <somerville32> What channel did you mouth him off in?
[04:29] <_G_N_A_A> #nsa
[04:30] <somerville32> What that person is you.
[04:31] <somerville32> _G_N_A_A, It is very easy to hack yourself.
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> _G_N_A_A: Could you change your nick please?
[04:31] <_G_N_A_A> tonyyarusso why
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> _G_N_A_A: You know what it refers to, no doubt, and it's not a group we're fond of here.
[04:32] <_G_N_A_A> tonyyarusso:  are you an american?
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> yes
[04:33] <tropicana> hello
[04:33] <tropicana> can i manually edit the start up programs for another account ?
[04:35] <_G_N_A_A> tonyyarusso then by all means, allow my name to be whatever I choose for it to be, in all circumstances without exception.
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> _G_N_A_A: Um, what?
[04:36] <tropicana> help?
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> tropicana: I'm not sure how to other than logging in as them, though it must be possible
[04:37] <tropicana> rats
[04:38] <_G_N_A_A> somerville32 is _3oo3?
[04:42] <_3oo3> BOOM STICK!
[05:06] <odat> hey everyone
[05:07] <odat> did anyone notice that openoffice with the openoffice-gtk add on does not display icon buttons in the toolbar
[05:09] <odat> ?
[05:15] <odat> anyone here?
[05:16] <BFTD> yeah
[05:19] <odat> did anyone notice that openoffice with the openoffice-gtk add on does not display icon buttons in the toolbar
[05:22] <odat> ?
[05:53] <tropicana> hello
[05:53] <tropicana> a little help?
[05:54] <maxamillion> !ask
[05:54] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:54] <tropicana> how do i add windows xp to my grub list?
[05:54] <maxamillion> tropicana: should just be able to run "sudo update-grub"
[05:55] <tropicana> oh
[05:56] <tropicana> let me try
[06:01] <cycro> maxamillion, it didnt work
[06:01] <maxamillion> hmm...
[06:02] <cycro> mm
[06:02] <cycro> any ideas?
[06:03] <maxamillion> !dualboot
[06:03] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[06:03] <maxamillion> i think in the first link there is info about the grub config
[06:03] <maxamillion> brb
[06:04] <cycro> k
[06:08] <odat> anyone here?
[06:09] <cycro> i need help :P
[06:10] <odat> with ?
[06:10] <odat> cycro, with ?
[06:10] <cycro> odat, grub
[06:11] <cycro> odat, how do i add windows xp as an entry?
[06:11] <cycro> to the grub menu
[06:11] <odat> cycro, it should have done it automagically when you installed linux
[06:12] <cycro> odat, it did, but i recently did something that removed it for some reason
[06:13] <odat> hmmm
[06:13] <odat> google it
[06:13] <cycro> odat, i did, im tryin sometin, brb
[06:13] <cycro> odat, if i dont come back, ull know it worked
[06:14] <odat> anyone in here able to help with openoffice-gtk    it doesn't seem to be working on a fresh install
[06:16] <odat> anyone here?
[06:24] <odat> anyone here?
[06:38] <steve__> anyone here?
[07:15] <neptunepink> what sorts of apps does xforce use?
[10:36] <TheDarkKiller> How do I install JDK6 on Xubuntu?
[10:37] <crimsun> for feisty?
[10:37] <crimsun> with multiverse and universe enabled, sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jdk
[10:38] <TheDarkKiller> I did that already. Getting some errors about duplicate sources.list entries.
[10:40] <crimsun> pastebin your sources.list(5)
[10:45] <TheDarkKiller> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15502/
[10:47] <TheDarkKiller> Small correction in the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15504/
[10:49] <TheDarkKiller> Any ideas?
[12:49] <Maximilian1st> Hi, I'm trying to use a new app for wireless but it requires wpa_supplicant 5.7. Yet the package in feisty is supposed to be 5.7 but when you the command line -v for wpa_supplicant shows 5.5... Is there something I am missing here?
[01:01] <h3sp4wn> Maximilian1st: backport the version from in sid
[01:02] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: you know bash well? ^^
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I never use it why
[01:02] <Maximilian1st> Well is a big word
[01:03] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: I still have some windows coded filename which display as "?" instead of "" and I thought you may know how to replace that
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: What codepage is windows
[01:25] <hyper_ch> iso8859-15
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> have you tried just using rename ?
[01:31] <hyper_ch> well, it's more than one file :)
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> rename -v 'y/\?/\/' *
[01:33] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: it's not a "?" in the filename I learnt :)    ls -b
[01:33] <hyper_ch> someone said to use confmv --> altering the filename encoding :) that worked
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I didn't think it was (I found a few cases where the above wouldn't work)
[01:34] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: sorry,    convmv :) it worked for me so far
[01:35] <hyper_ch> next ist Mylne Farmer :)
[02:16] <kbrooks> boo
[02:17] <Merchelo> urns?
[02:54] <frankabel> anybody know when the Feisty release candidate will be delivered?
[02:54] <frankabel> It have two days of delay
[02:58] <frankabel> anybody know when the Feisty release candidate will be delivered?
[02:58] <frankabel> It have two days of delay
[03:00] <sioux> As far as I know it will be releseade next 19th of april
[03:05] <frankabel> that is the Final Release, but the release candicate must be released two day ago, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[03:06] <frankabel> the problem is that that is that release candidate is the release that want to teach xubuntu due to have all the traslation and is very similar to the final release
[03:08] <sioux> where can i get some info for a better xubuntu desktop effect, icons sound ecc
[03:09] <Arkh> xfce-look.org ?
[03:18] <grazie> frankabel: I don't know the full details, but there a number of broken packages in the feisty repos. I'd imagine the release candidate will be delayed a few more days at least.
[03:18] <grazie> there are*
[03:24] <kbrooks> hi all
[03:28] <sioux> hi
[03:31] <mhb> hi xubuntu folks ... what password grantig does xubuntu use? gksudo or a custom one?
[03:31] <mhb> password granting dialog
[03:32] <frankabel> grazie: Thanks
[03:33] <grazie> frankabel: np
[03:34] <grazie> mhb: not sure what you mean by password granting. To get admins privs for a cli app use sudo and for a gui app use gksudo or gksu
[03:35] <mhb> grazie: yeah I get confused with words sometimes
[03:35] <mhb> grazie: admin granting dialog
[03:36] <mhb> grazie: so the default graphical one in Xubuntu is "gksudo" ?
[03:38] <grazie> mhb: no default. They're the same thing effectly. Use whichever you prefer
[03:40] <mhb> grazie: true, they do the same thing, but my question was not about which one to use ... I wondered which one pops up usually in Xubuntu
[03:40] <mhb> grazie: but I guess gksudo is the one, same as in Ubuntu
[03:41] <mhb> grazie: thanks for the information
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> I wonder whether they patched sux to work with sudo
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> !info sux
[03:42] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> sudo sux would work also
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> and sets HOME=/root
[04:24] <orheiMOLDOVA> hello
[04:25] <orheiMOLDOVA> my problem is that when i run apt-get install <anything> from console i get a segmentation fault
[04:25] <orheiMOLDOVA> and synaptic doesn't load so...
[04:26] <orheiMOLDOVA> any help would be greatly appreciated
[04:26] <orheiMOLDOVA> (and of course i'm a noob)
[04:26] <h3sp4wn> running feisty ?
[04:27] <dadan_x> hello to everybody, i got a little problem while installing xubuntu
[04:27] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: checked your ram recenty?
[04:27] <dadan_x> how do i get help form somebody?
[04:27] <dadan_x> i', new...
[04:28] <grazie> !ask | dadan_x
[04:28] <ubotu> dadan_x: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:28] <dadan_x> ok
[04:28] <dadan_x> when i press install xubuntu i get a blinking screen
[04:28] <dadan_x> a blue blinking screen
[04:29] <dadan_x> then i tried to install ubuntu ont the same machine
[04:29] <dadan_x> same
[04:29] <grazie> dadan_x: using desktop cd?
[04:29] <dadan_x> live
[04:29] <dadan_x> cd
[04:29] <grazie> dadan_x: how much ram?
[04:30] <dadan_x> 128
[04:30] <grazie> dadan_x: not enough...really need 192mb
[04:30] <dadan_x> it's an old machine, that's why i would like to install xubuntu
[04:30] <orheiMOLDOVA> i have 2gb
[04:30] <orheiMOLDOVA> of ram
[04:31] <dadan_x> thanks! i'll try to put some ram
[04:31] <grazie> dadan_x: you can download the alternate cd or try some workarounds
[04:31] <dadan_x> alternate cd?
[04:31] <grazie> !download | dadan_x
[04:31] <ubotu> dadan_x: Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[04:32] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie...
[04:32] <dadan_x> me too: grazie Gratie!
[04:32] <orheiMOLDOVA> so i realized that this is probably not the right chan for me
[04:32] <orheiMOLDOVA> i'm using xfce but a different distro
[04:32] <grazie> dadan_x: that's not what I wanted..the alternate cd should be on the same webpage as the live cd
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> orheiMOLDOVA: Why not ?
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> orheiMOLDOVA: I have 2gb of ram
[04:33] <orheiMOLDOVA> but maybe you can help anyhow
[04:33] <orheiMOLDOVA> how does one go about repairing apt-get?
[04:33] <orheiMOLDOVA> /synaptic package manager?
[04:33] <orheiMOLDOVA> my distro, btw, is samlinux2007
[04:33] <Arkh> !paste | orheiMOLDOVA
[04:33] <ubotu> orheiMOLDOVA: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:33] <Arkh> paste the error :)
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> orheiMOLDOVA: What is samlinux2007 ?
[04:34] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: we don't know whether those are broken yet. seg faults can be caused by many things...often ram failure
[04:34] <orheiMOLDOVA> ok,sorry
[04:34] <Arkh> it is derived from PCLinuxOS if I am not wrong..
[04:34] <orheiMOLDOVA> tis
[04:35] <orheiMOLDOVA> it was working fine until today
[04:35] <grazie> yep]
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> orheiMOLDOVA: If its based on debian testing it would be quite likely to break
[04:35] <grazie> no it pclinuxos based
[04:35] <orheiMOLDOVA> pclinuxos
[04:35] <orheiMOLDOVA> it runs really well, i just can use synaptic
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> is pclinuxos not rpm ?
[04:36] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: it stopped working after an update
[04:36] <orheiMOLDOVA> yup
[04:36] <grazie> h3sp4wn: yes, but uses apt-get + synaptic
[04:36] <orheiMOLDOVA> basically i can open it, put the root pass, then it closes right away
[04:37] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: what happened between working and not working?
[04:38] <orheiMOLDOVA> i added a repository, reloaded, downloaded updates
[04:38] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: then tried to restart
[04:38] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: and it didn't work
[04:39] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: you tried removing the added repo?
[04:40] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: i can't, it doesn't let me load synaptic... it crashes before i can do anything
[04:41] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly....but as I said ^^
[04:41] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: how can i do that as root?
[04:41] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: i'm a nOOb
[04:42] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: you know how to get root terminal?
[04:42] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: yup
[04:42] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA:  nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:43] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: 'bash: nano: command not found'
[04:44] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA:  whatever editor you use then
[04:45] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA:  mousepad if you're not sure
[04:45] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA:  mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:47] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: it opened with kate, i changed the sources, then saved... should i try to run synaptic now?
[04:47] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: you can try, but I think you'll still have the problem
[04:47] <orheiMOLDOVA> graze: it opened!
[04:47] <grazie> good
[04:47] <orheiMOLDOVA> grazie: you are a god
[04:48] <grazie> you must have put a bad repo in
[04:48] <grazie> wouldn't have thought that would crash synaptic on launching though
[04:48] <orheiMOLDOVA> it had one with RPM-distro
[04:48] <orheiMOLDOVA> instead of RPM
[04:48] <orheiMOLDOVA> as the header
[04:49] <grazie> orheiMOLDOVA: have fun :)
[05:04] <Grey_Loki> I'm trying to get imts to run, but it keeps coming up with an error, asking me to define a port to listen on - anybody got an idea what's up?
[05:04] <Grey_Loki> imts.sf.net
[05:08] <Grey_Loki> Just pastebinning a link to the output.
[05:09] <Grey_Loki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15593/
[05:14] <Arkh> Grey_Loki,
[05:14] <Arkh> I seem to remember that ports between 1 and 1024 can be used only by root
[05:15] <Grey_Loki> Really?
[05:15] <Grey_Loki> Most interesting...
[05:15] <Arkh> try using 12345 as port
[05:15] <Grey_Loki> Alright, gimme a sec
[05:15] <Arkh> I'm not sure but I think that it happened me once..
[05:15] <darrend> you do need to be root to bind ports < 1025
[05:16] <Grey_Loki> I still get the same error, regardless of port
[05:16] <Arkh> mmm
[05:16] <Arkh> try running it as root?
[05:16] <Arkh> mmhmm Grey_Loki I think the error is because "No ports to listen on! Define at least one."
[05:17] <Arkh> because of *
[05:17] <Grey_Loki> I jsut ran sudo ./bot -p 3245, same thing
[05:17] <Arkh> in the bot help
[05:18] <Arkh> is there a way to tell him to listen on some port?
[05:18] <Arkh> do you still get "Init_socket: bind: Cannot assign requested address."  I can't seem to install any new themes on XFCE
[05:45] <alleyoopster> illu45: have you seen this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2409617
[05:46] <illu45> alleyoopster, No, not yet. But I think I've figured it out. Just a bad extraction on my part
[05:47] <alleyoopster> ok, the one it links to looks informative also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=377397
[05:47] <illu45> Ah, all right. Will take a look at those if it doesn't work out
[05:56] <Grey_Loki> Anyone else had any thoughts on the error with imts? - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15593/
[05:59] <alleyoopster> Grey_Loki: I think I can't help you
[06:00] <Grey_Loki> Unusual combination of negatives there :P
[06:01] <alleyoopster> what is imts anyway?
[06:03] <alleyoopster> Grey_Loki: its not something simple like localhost not mapping to your ipaddress is it?
[06:06] <Grey_Loki> alleyoopster, i'm not sure. How would I chek?
[06:06] <Grey_Loki> IMTS is the Imperian Modularised Trigger System. it's a helper for a MUD called Imperian
[06:06] <alleyoopster> ping localhost
[06:06] <alleyoopster> it should reply with <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:07] <flox> hello
[06:07] <alleyoopster> Grey_Loki: that's in a terminal of course
[06:07] <flox> i hv seg fault when i run sunbird 0.3.1 on xubuntu edgy
[06:08] <Grey_Loki> alleyoopster, yeah, it is.
[06:09] <flox> i followed these steps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=278206
[06:09] <flox> but does not work
[06:10] <alleyoopster> Grey_Loki: ok that's not the problem then. It's saying that it listening on port 123 and then at the end says no port to listen on, that's a bit weird
[06:11] <Grey_Loki> alleyoopster, I thought so too
[06:11] <alleyoopster> Grey_Loki: I am guessing it is some kind of service running on your machine it is looking for?
[06:12] <flox> if i launch "sudo sunbird", it works
[06:12] <Grey_Loki> alleyoopster, not as far as I now
[06:12] <Grey_Loki> know, rather
[06:14] <grazie> !sunbird
[06:14] <ubotu> Mozilla Sunbird is a cross-platform calendar application, built upon Mozilla Toolkit. Our goal is to bring Mozilla-style ease-of-use to your calendar, without tying you to a particular storage solution.
[06:14] <alleyoopster> Grey_Loki: ok, just that it is listening on port 123 of localhost so that is your machine, but I am not familiar with IMTS so not sure I can help further
[06:14] <Grey_Loki> Alright, well, thanks anyways :)
[06:15] <alleyoopster> welcome
[06:35] <kbrooks> ping.
[06:38] <Grey_Loki> Pong.
[07:23] <Grey_Loki> Erm
[07:23] <Grey_Loki> I just ran ifconfig
[07:23] <Grey_Loki> And I have no 'lo'
[07:23] <Grey_Loki> This is...weird, yes?
[07:23] <Grey_Loki> lo=loopback device, right?
[07:27] <Grey_Loki> Hrm
[07:27] <Grey_Loki> Well, it's back. I wonder why it went :S
[07:35] <concept10> what display manager does xfce use by default?
[07:44] <rici> xubuntu comes with xfwm4; i don't think xfce has a default strictly speaking, but it's a related project at least.
[07:54] <ochosi> hi, for some reason my thunar (0.4.1) doesn't do video-thumbnails at all, anyone an idea why that is?
[07:55] <concept10> rici: thanks
[07:56] <TheSheep> ochosi: you need a thumbnailer installed, thunar doesn't come with one for video by default
[07:56] <TheSheep> ochosi: in ubuntu/xubuntu the thumbnailer is packaged together with totem, I think
[07:56] <concept10> GDM login locks up on me and I need to replace it asap
[07:56] <ochosi> TheSheep: oh, i see. i'll check it out, thanks man
[07:56] <TheSheep> concept10: I think I've seen "slim" mentioned somewhere on xfce wiki
[07:57] <TheSheep> concept10: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLiM
[07:57] <concept10> TheSheep: yeah, im looking at slim now.. doesnt look like its maintained anymore.
[07:57] <TheSheep> concept10: the wiki page might be old :)
[07:58] <TheSheep> concept10: there is also xdm
[07:58] <concept10> TheSheep: I was looking at the developers pages
[07:58] <concept10> http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2663
[07:58] <concept10> fwiw
[07:59] <concept10> looks nice though
[07:59] <TheSheep> fwiw?
[07:59] <TheSheep> ok, sorry
[08:00] <concept10> I posted the link for you to see, for what its worth (fwiw)
[08:01] <TheSheep> yes, thanks
[08:02] <PiTcReW> hey guys
[08:02] <concept10> when you startx in xubuntu, does this start xfwm4?
[08:02] <PiTcReW> whats a good batch audio conversion tool?
[08:03] <TheSheep> concept10: I think you need to put xfce4-session into your .xsession
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> You shouldn't need to
[08:05] <concept10> TheSheep: I'd rather use my gnome session, but GDM locks up
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> the x-window-manager alternative should sort it out
[08:05] <grazie> concept10: or use startxfce4 (iirc)
[08:05] <concept10> Im trying to figure out how this goes
[08:06] <TheSheep> concept10: you can put gnome-session into .xsession too and start X with xtartx
[08:06] <TheSheep> startx
[08:06] <grazie>
[08:06] <grazie>
[08:06] <TheSheep> concept10: or, to start xfce directly, you can use startxfce4, it will run x and then xfce
[08:06] <concept10> TheSheep: the root or user .xsession?
[08:07] <TheSheep> concept10: the user for which you want to run the X
[08:07] <grazie>  /me has sticking keys (sorry)
[08:08] <concept10> Im confused on how that works.  Because when the system boots, im assuming it using the roots .xsession
[08:08] <PiTcReW> whats a good batch audio conversion tool?
[08:08] <h3sp4wn> PiTcReW: I have used sox
[08:09] <concept10> h3sp4wn: how do you have your desktop setup?  Are you using GDM?
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I use startx
[08:09] <concept10> so startx launches what? xfwm4? or xdm?
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  14 2007-04-14 19:06 x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/xfwm4
[08:10] <concept10> so root is running xfwm4 but you login as regular user
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> I try to avoid using a .xsession if I can because it overrides some of the stuff in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> that line is from /etc/alternatives
[08:11] <concept10> layer upon layer im going to break this stuff down today :)
[08:11] <PiTcReW> h3sp4wn, is it command line based?
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> PiTcReW: batch is commandline isn't it ?
[08:11] <concept10> h3sp4wn: yeah, do you type startx everytime or you have a script do it?
[08:12] <PiTcReW> by batch i meant multiple files at once
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I just type startx (often I am not in X anyway)
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> PiTcReW: Just use a script with sox or another command line application
[08:13] <concept10> I guess I have to find the init script that runs brings up GDM
[08:13] <concept10> and redirect to another login manager
[08:14] <concept10> since they changed to upstart, im confused as hell on the boot processes
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Actually I have x-session-manager set to /usr/bin/xfce4-session also)
[08:18] <concept10> I think im going to backup my /home and switch over to gentoo on the desktop this weekend
[08:19] <TheSheep> concept10: the mechanism didn;t change, it's still all in init.d
[08:19] <TheSheep> concept10: and rc.d
[08:20] <concept10> I rather stay with a debian based system, but feisty is buggier and buggier closer to release
[08:20] <TheSheep> that's a norm
[08:20] <concept10> TheSheep: yeah, I know they have that sysvcompat package
[08:20] <concept10> I thought they were supposed to change it completely over this release
[08:21] <TheSheep> concept10: but the actual scripts that bring up deamons are the same
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> concept10: gentoo is fine (fonts are not messed up for xfce - at least if you use the xeffects overlay)
[08:23] <concept10> h3sp4wn: you also have a gentoo system?
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I did have prior to reinstalling feisty
[08:23] <concept10> why did you move back?
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> thought by now because of all the make it beautiful thing it would all be perfect no messing around
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> No sensible reason really - (I was using paludis instead of portage though - portage does suck)
[08:25] <concept10> Thats the package manager from the guy that was fighting with d.robbins?
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> concept10: quite possibly but it works a hell of alot better than portage
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> (or refuses to do stupid stuff where portage messes up your system)
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> concept10: If I had realised I wouldn't have switched back (but wanted to spend less time messing with my pc and more messing with openwrt)
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> concept10: however the opposite is true
[08:27] <concept10> I just want a distro that works.  Debian is fine on the servers.. no change there.  I beginning not to like Ubuntu.  Stuff like bcm43xx works one month, next one it doesnt.  Also, ubuntu is adding a whole bunch of stuff I don't need.
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Just use sid
[08:29] <concept10> On a regular ubuntu-desktop, they have a whole bunch of daemons running that don't provide me any value, just take up memory and cycles.  Since I can't log into my system, I see xfce running with 40 less processes and its even better.
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I know - I reinstalled after installing the default xubuntu - after realising just how much junk is started by default (cli only install)
[08:30] <concept10> h3sp4wn: so you built up from minimal install?
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Yep but its getting to the point where I am rebuilding too much stuff
[08:32] <concept10> h3sp4wn: why are you rebuilding (to make smaller) or have a certain config?
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> concept10: get rid most of the customisations it seems
[08:33] <grazie> h3sp4wn: have you not tried Arch?
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> grazie: No should I ?
[08:34] <grazie> h3sp4wn: if you haven't you must
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> What I want is the debian equivalent of fedora rawhide
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> but I don't think one exists
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> there was supposed to be grumpy groundhog ubuntu at one point
[08:37] <concept10> h3sp4wn: its seems that (k/x)ubuntu uses a kitchen sink approch these days.  When something comes out they integrate it.  For example avahi, networkmanager, pulseaudio.  The integration is poor sometimes.  Some of it doesnt add much value.  I can remember way back to 2005 that Ubuntu was trying to integrate NM, and its still not 100%.  I don't know if it's upstream or the packagers or the specs or what.
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> concept10: network manager is a flawed design in my opinion
[08:38] <PiTcReW> h3sp4wn:how do i get started writing a script to use with sox
[08:38] <grazie> i don't know fedora rawhide, but if you want to configure a system just how you want it, but don't want to compile everything from source I think Arch is the answer and pacman is really. I like xubuntu for convience but...
[08:39] <PiTcReW> for mass audio bitrate conversion
[08:39] <concept10> At this point, I just want a minimal install that works.  Hell, CLI works without all of these extra daemons running, I just want a light X above that.  Maybe fluxbox or xfce.
[08:40] <concept10> grazie: maybe I will try Arch this weekend.
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> PiTcReW: just read a shell scripting guide
[08:40] <PiTcReW> alright
[08:40] <concept10> he can also use gstreamer for this
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> grazie: I thought about crux (I heard arch had bad quality control)
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> or vector linux
[08:41] <grazie> yeah but crux compile from source too
[08:41] <grazie> something put me off vector - I can't remeber what
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> I am not really anti source based - (I honestly thought feisty would be perfect in terms of its fonts and general rendering)
[08:48] <superkirbyartist> I've been trying to enable Direct Rendering on my iMac forever.  Can anyone help me please?
[08:48] <h3sp4wn> superkirbyartist: What make of video card ?
[08:48] <superkirbyartist> ATI Rage.
[08:48] <h3sp4wn> ppc ?
[08:48] <superkirbyartist> Yes.
[08:49] <superkirbyartist> "ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 PR/PRO AGP 4x TMDS" is what it says in xorg.conf
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> What have you tried
[08:50] <superkirbyartist> I have tried changing default depth, reading forums...
[08:50] <superkirbyartist> Changing my xorg.conf many times, once even crashing my iMac.
[08:50] <superkirbyartist> It's to play StepMania.
[08:51] <superkirbyartist> Any clues?
[08:51] <superkirbyartist> !ati rage
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati rage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:51] <superkirbyartist> !ati
[08:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:52] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:52] <grazie> superkirbyartist: I've got an old mac with a rage 128...I think DRI work without problems from initial install. lemme check...
[08:52] <superkirbyartist> Incoming small flood.
[08:53] <superkirbyartist> superkirbyartist@iMac:~$ glxinfo |grep direct
[08:53] <superkirbyartist> direct rendering: No
[08:53] <superkirbyartist> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:53] <superkirbyartist> superkirbyartist@iMac:~$
[08:53] <superkirbyartist> So, right now, my xorg.conf is not correctly configures.
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> is the kernel module loaded ?
[08:54] <superkirbyartist> I believe so.
[08:54] <superkirbyartist> I have an X and all.
[08:54] <superkirbyartist> I am using Konversation/Konqueror/Konsole on it.
[08:54] <hackmiester[LT] > hi
[08:54] <superkirbyartist> Hi there.
[08:55] <superkirbyartist> When I do a "glxinfo |grep direct" I get "Direct rendering: No"
[08:55] <superkirbyartist> I tried changing the xorg.conf many times.
[08:56] <superkirbyartist> h3sp4wn any clues?
[08:56] <superkirbyartist> hackmiester[LT]  any clues?
[08:56] <hackmiester[LT] > hrm...
[08:56] <hackmiester[LT] > pastebin your configuration file
[08:56] <superkirbyartist> What does "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" mean?
[08:56] <hackmiester[LT] > it means you're using the Mesa renderer, which is a software renderer
[08:56] <hackmiester[LT] > not what you want
[08:56] <grazie> superkirbyartist: what version of xubuntu? I could give you my xorg.conf if that helps?
[08:56] <hackmiester[LT] > doing 3D in software is slow as hell
[08:57] <hackmiester[LT] > grazie: that won't help
[08:57] <grazie> hackmiester[LT] : ?
[08:57] <hackmiester[LT] > grazie: unless of course you have identical hardware
[08:57] <superkirbyartist> Grazie: Sorry, not Xubuntu, but Kubuntu 6.10
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> hackmiester[LT] : doesn't have to be (look at e17 with the software renderer)
[08:57] <superkirbyartist> Grazie: Snow iMac?  iMac DV?
[08:57] <Nathyd> ryt
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> hackmiester[LT] : Is most of the time though
[08:57] <hackmiester[LT] > h3sp4wn: well generally. for most cards you don't want mesa.
[08:57] <hackmiester[LT] > yeah
[08:58] <Chil1> What does firefox show up as in the processes manager?
[08:58] <superkirbyartist> I would like StepMania working, I don't care about Berly.
[08:58] <hackmiester[LT] > superkirbyartist: but yeah put your xorg.conf on http://pastebin.ca/ or your favourite pastebin
[08:58] <hackmiester[LT] > Chil1: firefox-bin
[08:58] <hackmiester[LT] > superkirbyartist: love that game :D
[08:58] <superkirbyartist> Speaking of Beryl, it crashes on Ubuntu every time I click something.
[08:58] <Nathyd> Please can somebody help me, I'm trying to get Xubuntu to boot from a USB Pen Drive but I keep screwing up, what should I do? Is there a video or something?
[08:58] <superkirbyartist> hackmiester[LT]  any stepfiles?
[08:59] <hackmiester[LT] > I'm sure it does. it's meant for hardware accelerated cards.
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> Nathyd: are you using isolinux ?
[08:59] <hackmiester[LT] > not that I can distribute
[08:59] <hackmiester[LT] > naah big USB disks are cheap lately
[08:59] <superkirbyartist> hacknuester[LT]  for generic brands yes.
[08:59] <grazie> superkirbyartist: I don't have that model no, but it does have a rage 128 RE/SG which may help you sort the problem
[09:00] <Nathyd> yup
[09:00] <Nathyd> im using isolinux
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> Nathyd: Have a look at http://grml.org/scripts/grml2usb
[09:00] <Nathyd> thanks
[09:00] <superkirbyartist> http://pastebin.ca/440043
[09:00] <concept10> where do I configure which display manager to use?  I guess im looking for the xdm config.  Sorry if it was pointed out earlier.
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> Nathyd: You might be able to just use it straight from the livecd but I haven't tested it
[09:01] <superkirbyartist> hackmiester[LT]  you have no CC songs?
[09:01] <hackmiester[LT] > probably not
[09:01] <superkirbyartist> Anyways, everyone, the party is at http://pastebin.ca/440043
[09:01] <hackmiester[LT] > I work for a skating rink on the side as the tech guy. there is a StepMania machine there, I write steps for popular songs.
[09:02] <superkirbyartist> hackmiester[LT]  ITG ressembles StepMania too.
[09:02] <hackmiester[LT] > wow it looks like you have all the good stuff in that config file
[09:02] <hackmiester[LT] > can I see your xorg.log?
[09:03] <superkirbyartist> Where is that file?
[09:03] <hackmiester[LT] > I think it's like, /var/log somewhere
[09:03] <hackmiester[LT] > I don't know where it is in Ubuntu
[09:04] <superkirbyartist> Xorg.0.log?
[09:04] <hackmiester[LT] > yeah
[09:05] <superkirbyartist> http://pastebin.ca/440049
[09:06] <superkirbyartist> I think some stuff in the file I oughta delete.
[09:08] <superkirbyartist> Any news?
[09:09] <hackmiester[LT] > I have no idea, to be honest.
[09:10] <superkirbyartist> You can't help me?
[09:10] <superkirbyartist> Anyone?
[09:10] <superkirbyartist> It's for a gathering that I need to set up this iMac for.
[09:11] <superkirbyartist> Anyone at all?
[09:12] <superkirbyartist> Grazie?
[09:12] <hackmiester[LT] > hey check this out superkirbyartist
[09:12] <hackmiester[LT] > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI_Radeon_%26_Kernel_2.6#Open_Source_ATI_Drivers
[09:12] <superkirbyartist> Do I need to setup a driver?
[09:12] <hackmiester[LT] > this is my distro's page about getting that working with teh open source drivers. you might want to make sure all of that is in your conf and also try the tweaks listed. dont' do the stuff for the non open source driver though.
[09:13] <grazie> superkirbyartist: like I said before your welcome to your driver setting to mine. I've never had problems
[09:13] <hackmiester[LT] > looks like you're not loading the drm module in the Section "Module" superkirbyartist
[09:13] <grazie> superkirbyartist: to compare* (sorry)
[09:14] <superkirbyartist> And in section DRI it says mode 0666, but it should be mode 0660
[09:17] <superkirbyartist> Yes.
[09:18] <superkirbyartist> I cannot install the open source driver.
[09:19] <superkirbyartist> !ati
[09:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:21] <superkirbyartist> What driver do I use?
[09:21] <grazie> superkirbyartist: ati
[09:21] <superkirbyartist> What will changing the DRI mode do?
[09:22] <grazie> superkirbyartist: other than your dri problem what else is wrong?
[09:22] <superkirbyartist> Nothing, just StepMania won't load.
[09:23] <grazie> superkirbyartist: then your driver is at least partially working (and hence loaded)
[09:24] <superkirbyartist> Should I use 16 bit or 24 bit depth?
[09:24] <superkirbyartist> Which one supports DRI?
[09:24] <superkirbyartist> I am actually using Konversation from it.
[09:24] <superkirbyartist> I am actually using Konversation from iMac.
[09:25] <grazie> iMacs can be tricky to sort the hardware with driver and correct config
[09:25] <superkirbyartist> I tried 16.
[09:25] <superkirbyartist> Now I'm doing ctrl-alt-backspace.
[09:26] <grazie> well changing depth isn't going to sort your dri
[09:26] <hackmiester[LT] > actually it could
[09:29] <andy_> hello there, how can I manage my existing "sessions"? I wanna edit my sessionss.
[09:33] <superkirbyartist> Still not working krazie.
[09:33] <superkirbyartist> Still not working grazie.
[09:33] <superkirbyartist> Grazie any help please?
[09:35] <grazie> superkirbyartist: why don't you post your xorg.conf
[09:35] <superkirbyartist> I already did, grazie.
[09:35] <superkirbyartist> http://pastebin.ca/440043
[09:35] <superkirbyartist> Thank you grazie.
[09:36] <superkirbyartist> It's for a gathering, which is in less than a month.
[09:36] <superkirbyartist> Do you have a PowerMac, grazie?
[09:36] <superkirbyartist> Are you looking at the PasteBin?
[09:37] <grazie> superkirbyartist: got an old and a not so old PowerMac
[09:37] <superkirbyartist> Grazie: any suggestion?
[09:38] <grazie> give a couple of minutes
[09:39] <hackmiester[LT] > superkirbyartist: Did the bit from the Arch wiki not help?
[09:40] <superkirbyartist> hackmiester[LT]  that was for a Radeon.
[09:40] <hackmiester[LT] > That's what you're using :)
[09:40] <superkirbyartist> I'm not sure, I think it's a Rage.
[09:40] <hackmiester[LT] > Well, no, it's a Rage, you're right. But they use the same driver, ati.
[09:40] <superkirbyartist> direct rendering: No
[09:40] <superkirbyartist> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:41] <hackmiester[LT] > :(
[09:41] <superkirbyartist> :( it's for a gathering
[09:42] <superkirbyartist> Can we do GLX direct and it works?
[09:42] <superkirbyartist> Can we just switch it to direct?
[09:43] <superkirbyartist> That's all I need.
[09:43] <superkirbyartist> hackmiester[LT]
[09:43] <hackmiester[LT] > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBook_G3_12%22 is another one you might try, superkirbyartist
[09:44] <superkirbyartist> Yes but I have an iMac not an iBook.
[09:44] <hackmiester[LT] > Same card.
[09:44] <hackmiester[LT] > Well, a similar one.
[09:45] <superkirbyartist> What do I do with these instructions?
[09:45] <grazie_> superkirbyartist, mine loads GLcore, i2c, bitmap, ddc, int10, type1 and vbe
[09:45] <superkirbyartist> grazie_ do you have Direct Rendering?
[09:45] <superkirbyartist> Can you play StepMania?
[09:46] <grazie_> superkirbyartist, of course ...I've got dri set
[09:46] <superkirbyartist> grazie?
[09:46] <grazie_> superkirbyartist, is StepMania a game?
[09:46] <superkirbyartist> Yes.
[09:47] <grazie_> in the repos?
[09:47] <superkirbyartist> Some place told me to disable bitmap.
[09:47] <superkirbyartist> StepMania not in repos, but open source.
[09:47] <superkirbyartist> What does bitmap do?
[09:48] <superkirbyartist> Will I get direct rendering by loading everything you load?
[09:48] <superkirbyartist> !bitmap
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bitmap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <grazie_> superkirbyartist, Would prolly take a while to build form source if the there's no deb7
[09:48] <grazie_> .deb*
[09:48] <superkirbyartist> grazie_ are you using PowerPC too?
[09:49] <grazie_> superkirbyartist, of course :)
[09:49] <superkirbyartist> Could you try something like planetpenguin-racer, please?  I can't make an archive right now, sorry.
[09:51] <superkirbyartist> Yes, if you can run planetpenguin-racer, you have direct rendering.
[09:52] <grazie_> superkirbyartist, downloading
[09:52] <superkirbyartist> sudo apt-get
[09:53] <grazie_> like I said dri works ago...doesn't mean the game will... I don't play games but I know tuxracer doesn't work
[09:53] <superkirbyartist> Penguin racer is awfully slow.
[09:54] <superkirbyartist> Does that mean StepMania will be slow?
[09:54] <superkirbyartist> Anyone?
[09:55] <superkirbyartist> If planetpenguin-racer is slow, will StepMania be?
[09:55] <grazie> superkirbyartist: planetpenguin (which is just like tuxracer to me) works fine but is slow
[10:02] <TheSheep> ok, I've tested xfburn, graveman, brasero and gnomebaker, and only the last one has a hint of meaningful error messages
[10:03] <TheSheep> that give any clue on which files have wrong names and prevent burning
[10:03] <grazie> TheSheep: did I miss something earlier?
[10:04] <TheSheep> grazie: no, I'm just ranting now, please ignore ;)
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> use k3b (it is the best)
[10:05] <TheSheep> I'd have to install half of kde :/
[10:05] <TheSheep> and I'm allergic to it ;)
[10:06] <TheSheep> 'sides, k3b is too complicated
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> I should build myself a minimal kde
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> well the libs - then prelink it - just enough for amarok and k3b
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> Its perfectly possible - that is the fault of the distro's
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> the source has loads of stuff that doesn't need enabling
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> gtk is nasty
[10:08] <grazie> what?
[10:09] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: it has its traps
[10:09] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: kde has some too
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: c++ is nasty also though
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> so neither can win
[10:10] <TheSheep> isn't xfce written in gtkmm?
[10:10] <TheSheep> that's both nasties in one ;)
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> I haven't looked at the code of xfce - e17 is written in nice clean C though
[10:11] <TheSheep> I've seen nice clean C several times only in my life
[10:11] <TheSheep> otoh I have never seen nice clean c++
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> I haven't seen it often (e17 has the advantage for me of even though I am incapable of writing such code it is completely obvious how it works)
[10:14] <TheSheep> I've heard TeX source code is nice to read
[10:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what's the best way of setting ntp in xubuntu?
[10:35] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: the official one is through the system->time and date dialog
[10:37] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: thx :)
[10:38] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw, would it be possible to have this list sorted according to country names and then cities?
[10:39] <TheSheep> no idea
[10:40] <hyper_ch> would make it simpler for selecting the ntp server
[10:55] <Grey_Loki> Hooray for netsplits!
[10:58] <slow-motion> n8
[11:07] <dadan_x> i have a problem regarding installation of xubuntu
[11:08] <dadan_x> i get a blinking image and after that i see the empty only the blue screen of xFce
[11:08] <dadan_x> any ideas?
[11:11] <dadan_x> during installation i get a blinking image (as if it would be a resolution autosetting) and after that i see only the empty blue screen of xFce, so i cannot install xubuntu, any ideas?
[11:12] <dadan_x> ?
[11:22] <grazie> dadan_x: are you using the alternate cd?
[12:04] <hooray> how many instances of gdm do i need running? i have 2 can i just have 1? i dont need 6 instances of getty running, i tooks those out by deleteing tty2-6 in etc/event.d . i saved a whopping 2 mbs of ram...
[12:04] <hooray> *took
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> does it not use one and then fork
[12:20] <hooray> i want my system to boot in a lil over than a nano second, any tips? tweaking readahead- is that possible?, dunno what setting bios cacheable does except slowing my boot time, and ive messed with sysv-rc-conf as well as just leaving dbus on through system>services


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[00:00] <lorfds> catdaemon…yes indeed
[00:00] <Catdaemon> use key based authentication for good security, don't worry about blocking/changing the ssh port
[00:00] <lorfds> catdaemon…isnt allow 80/tcp and allow 443/tcp the equivalent of allow http and https?
[00:00] <sarnold> lorfds: well, blanket-allowing is probably fine, sshd hasn't had a huge problem in ages.
[00:01] <lorfds> or does ipv6 change things?
[00:01] <Catdaemon> I like using the names as it adds both rules by itself but it doesn't matter
[00:02] <lorfds> what do you think about timezone?
[00:03] <lorfds> is utc best?
[00:03] <lorfds> i havent set up my own production server in a while, and i dont know what the kids are doing these days
[00:03] <lorfds> damn kids
[00:03] <lorfds> :P
[00:03] <Catdaemon> depends what you're doing I guess
[00:03] <lorfds> web server
[00:03] <Catdaemon> I use UTC because it's the same as GMT and I live in london so it's gr8
[00:03] <lorfds> serving u.s. mostly
[00:04] <sarnold> if you have staff/users in multiple timezones then I'd do UTC, but if you're the only admin, local is fine
[00:04] <lorfds> i am…for now
[00:04] <Catdaemon> just use UTC so you know it's UTC and don't have to worry about programs being weird
[00:04] <lorfds> yeah thats why im thinking
[00:04] <sarnold> Catdaemon: eh? I thought UK did summer-time as well and moves away from UTC for a few months each year?
[00:05] <Catdaemon> yeah we do have BST but for 6 months of the year the time is correct
[00:05] <Catdaemon> a broken clock is right twice a day!
[00:05] <sarnold> :D
[00:24] <ahmadgbg> hi guys, so i have my ubuntu server and i was thing about backup systems. What do you recommend? Nas with UPS?
[00:37] <ahmadgbg> Hi guys, i have a ubuntu server and i wonder what is the best way to back it up? NAS with UPS?
[00:38] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: "best" varies from person to person..
[00:38] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: some people like making CDs or tapes of their data, it's easy to store those off-site ..
[00:38] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: some people like rsync t oanother server, as you've described
[00:38] <qman__> Cost, convenience, retention all go into that mix
[00:38] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: some people like to upload to e.g. amazon glacier
[00:42] <ahmadgbg> sarnold: So if i back it up with NAS, is that a good solution for ubuntu?
[00:43] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: it can be, yes
[00:43] <ahmadgbg> sarnold: how does the backup work? do i need the same drives as in the server (storage)?
[00:44] <ahmadgbg> sarnold: or will i create a raid in the nas?
[00:44] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: no, you can use whatever you want in the NAS system
[00:45] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: you'll run a program like rsnapshot or rsync or amanda or bacula or duplicity or whatever to back up to your NAS system
[00:45] <ahmadgbg> sarnold: lets say a drive failes in the server in a raid, the NAS drives are seperate from that right?
[00:47] <ahmadgbg> sarnold: the backup is just the files right? not the whole raid system for the server
[00:52] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: right, your NAS-based backup should still be there
[00:53] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: depending upon your backup type, maybe your NAS would have synced from the server and destroyed some of the backup data.
[00:53] <sarnold> you need to evaluate the software you pick to make sure it can recover what it needs to when you need it
[00:55] <ahmadgbg> sarnold: okey! thanks!
[02:09] <zombu2> evening i m trying to get channel bonding to work on ubuntu server 14.04 but no dice so far
[02:09] <zombu2> any help would be apreciated
[04:45] <Flam> I'm highly confused but for some reason my server can't connect to services at <IP_ADDRESS>.  I checked /etc/hosts and it's mapped to localhost.  Unsurprisingly, localhost doesn't work either.
[04:46] <Flam> i.e.: GET http://localhost:3001/socket.io/1/?t=1400301947427 net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED  // GET http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3001/socket.io/1/?t=1400301947427 net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[04:48] <zombu2> firewall on?
[04:50] <Flam> iptables yes
[04:50] <Flam> but i opened those ports
[04:51] <Flam> -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3001 -j ACCEPT
[04:51] <Flam> -A INPUT -p udp --dport 3001 -j ACCEPT
[04:52] <zombu2> hmm
[04:52] <Flam> wget http://localhost and wget http://<IP_ADDRESS> worked.    It was JS running <IP_ADDRESS>, which is ran on my machine
[04:53] <zombu2> ah
[04:53] <Flam> Lol fail
[04:53] <zombu2> meh happens
[08:03] <eagles0513875> hey guys I have a number of accounts which are already on my server. What would be the easiest way to set a password expiration on them all at once
[08:05] <bekks> for acc in account1 account2 account3; do sudo passwd -d $acc; done   # untested
[08:06] <eagles0513875> bekks: any tested manner?
[08:06] <bekks> Just test it out.
[08:07] <bekks> I wont do anything automagically reading from /etc/passwd since you might accidentially disable a needed account, too.
[08:10] <eagles0513875> bekks: so in a nutshell you are saying its safer to just do it individually
[08:10] <bekks> Yes.
[08:11] <eagles0513875> ok no problem gives me a good opportunity to clear out old accounts
[09:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:58] <rostam> hi during installation of third party kernel module, lttng, I get  following error: Can't read private key. Here is the pastebin for it:   http://paste.debian.net/100134/
[20:52] <catphish> i have some servers where init appears to have gone a little insane at 2.5GB RAM and 80-100% cpu usage, is there any way i can investigate this?
[21:08] <catphish> i enabled the debug log, it seems to be in a constant loop of "init: job_register: Registered instance /com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/network_2dinterface_2dsecurity/network_2dinterface_2fvethQMF01R" with various interfaces
[21:14] <catphish> i fear there are too many NICs "registered"
[21:15] <bekks> So how many interfaces are registered?
[21:15] <catphish> i don't know, how can i find out?
[21:15] <bekks> ifconfig -a would be a start
[21:17] <catphish> there are about 350 currently active interfaces
[21:17] <bekks> In a single server? :)
[21:17] <catphish> indeed :)
[21:17] <bekks> Which hardware is that? :P
[21:17] <dasjoe> Sounds like a docker host
[21:18] <catphish> it is a lxc host, yes
[21:18] <catphish> but by itself, that's not a problem, i have a recently rebooted host with the same numbr of instances and no load from upstart
[21:19] <catphish> so i'm thinking that over time an increasing number of old no longer used interfaces might be getting registered with some database
[21:26] <catphish> no, on second thoughts, it's not that, that only happens once when changing the log level, i don't know what's actually upsetting it :(
[21:40] <catphish> i also have another server that's not started any services after a reboot, i'm hoping it's just running a rather long disk check, but it's been an hour :(
[23:05] <xeno2> Sorry, but this is probably the better place anyway.
[23:06] <xeno2> So, the interface file. I don't see a place for that in vbox gui.  I"ll ask on #vbox too.
[23:06] <Yelu> xeno2, hi
[23:06] <xeno2> Sorry, but this is probably the better place anyway.
[23:06] <xeno2> So, the interface file. I don't see a place for that in vbox gui.  I"ll ask on #vbox too.
[23:06] <Yelu> xeno2, I agree
[23:06] <xeno2> Is that in VBoxManage?
[23:07] <xeno2> (and actually, these are VBox questions, so perhaps this isn't the best either)
[23:07] <Yelu> no, we are talking about interfaces file in your guest. - vbox doesn't let you change ips from the outside
[23:07] <Yelu> xeo2, PM me?
[23:09] <xeno2> PM?
[23:09] <Yelu> xeo2, only a suggestion, if you want to talk privately via "private messages" (PM) here.
[23:10] <xeno2> Ok.  In /etc/network directory or some such?
[23:10] <Yelu> xeno2, yes
[23:10] <xeno2> Thank you for your patience.
[23:11] <Yelu> xeno2, I got time, and had similar problems, also it's fun. - You're welcome ;)
[23:12] <xeno2> Ubuntu doesn't work with the mouse.
[23:13] <xeno2> I see a line:  iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:13] <xeno2> In interfaces already.
[23:13] <xeno2> Above that auto eth0
[23:13] <Yelu> that'S okay
[23:13] <xeno2> Then before that lo is defined first.
[23:13] <Yelu> perfect
[23:14] <Yelu> so should it be
[23:14] <Yelu> iterfaces = checked.
[23:14] <Yelu> next step: the network-manager in your gui
[23:14] <Yelu> we define eth0 as static interface
[23:16] <xeno2> This server doesn't have a GUI.    You used to be able to use ifconfig to define these, but I've never done it with iface.
[23:17] <bekks> So just use ifconfig
[23:17] <Yelu> so we want to change the /etc/network/interfaces with "sudo nano ..."
[23:18] <Yelu> bekks, why
[23:18] <bekks> Yelu: cheater ;)
[23:18] <Yelu> bekks, hi, thank you for the cheater, but why I'm? :)
[23:18] <bekks> Yelu: Why not? ifconfig works, so no need to learn new commands for a tasks solution with known commands
[23:19] <bekks> Yelu: Because that was the most obvious approach ;)
[23:19] <Yelu> bekks, xeno2, so we do it as a team, okay?
[23:19] <bekks> Consider me being level 2 support at this point ;)
[23:20] <Yelu> nice
[23:20] <xeno2> Okay, I tried a few things from a web example, and so far it rejects.
[23:20] <Yelu> xeno2, your are awake?
[23:20] <xeno2> I cannot pull it off, because no network connection.
[23:20] <Yelu> ok
[23:21] <xeno2> So there is no cut and past of examples, because ubuntu server doesn't handle that well.
[23:21] <Yelu> xeno2, I'll give you my interfaces, please be patient a short time ... thx
[23:21] <xeno2> But if I can see one that works, I can transcribe it.  I found http://askubuntu.com/questions/342705/how-to-set-a-static-ip-address, but that multi-line thing doesn't seem to work for me.
[23:25] <Yelu> xeno2, here you go => http://paste.ubuntu.com/7480860/
[23:25] <xeno2> I will try.
[23:26] <Yelu> xeno2, you have to pick an ip out of your subnet range of your (real) local lan, which isn't used
[23:26] <xeno2> It is saying "Cannot find device eth0"
[23:26] <Yelu> xeno2, anf thiink about your firewall
[23:27] <Yelu> xeno2, and think about your firewall
[23:27] <xeno2> And I try the syntax, and I get around the restart failures except that.
[23:27] <xeno2> No firewall.
[23:27] <xeno2> Just behind cable ISP.
[23:27] <xeno2> Keep in mind, the original vm works.  It's just the clone that doesn't pick up the dhcp.
[23:27] <donvito> lol ubuntu 12.04 only 64bit?
[23:27] <xeno2> That makes me think it's something that gets dropped in the cloning.
[23:27] <Yelu> what is the outcome of ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0
[23:28] <xeno2> ...I'll try.
[23:28] <Yelu> yes, you cloned a guest ... mmmh
[23:28] <xeno2> interface eth0 not configured.
[23:28] <xeno2> That was the ifdown response.
[23:28] <donvito> lol ubuntu 14.04 only 64bit?
[23:29] <xeno2> So 14.04 didn't do this, but Chef server won't work with 14.04.
[23:29] <a1fa> hello, is there a way to encrypt root file system that will boot system w/o password, but wont allow single user boot w/o password?
[23:29] <Yelu> rataplan for ifup
[23:29] <xeno2> What is rataplan?
[23:29] <Yelu> if you beat a drum (like at a execution ...)
[23:30] <Yelu> only joking ...
[23:30] <xeno2> I wonder if there is something that just automatically gets dropped from the vm in cloning.
[23:30] <a1fa> yo-yo!
[23:30] <xeno2> It might be something 14.04 and Debian work around fine, but 12.04 Ubuntu didn't work with.
[23:31] <Yelu> xeo2, another way could be, to power down the vm and delete the interface and set it up as new
[23:31] <xeno2> Ok.  I'll try that.
[23:31] <Yelu> xeno2, or to leave the first interface as is and set up an additinal one (which is to add in the guest again)
[23:32] <xeno2> Yes.
[23:33] <xeno2> Weird.  It only allows me one eth, and that's eth0.
[23:33] <xeno2> This was a full clone, not a linked, by the way.
[23:34] <xeno2> It doesn't want to let me change it through the GUI.
[23:35] <Yelu> xeno2, but it isn't running? - Then you can't change things there.
[23:36] <xeno2> No, it was powered down.
[23:37] <xeno2> You cannot use NAT Network at that point.  It won't save.
[23:37] <Yelu> xeno2, ok, another approach would be, to try to give the vm a new interace via VMBoxManage with CLI
[23:37] <xeno2> I tried a NAT, and a Local.  It won't allow me to add a second eth, like eth1.  I only get eth0 Bridged.
[23:38] <xeno2> Yes..checking results after boot first.
[23:38] <Yelu> xeno2, how about changes to eth0
[23:38] <Yelu> xeo2, also not possible?
[23:38] <xeno2> No, it still blocks on boot for waiting eth0.
[23:38] <xeno2> I looked at advanced, and that didn't seem to have anything interesting.  Specific suggestions?
[23:39] <Yelu> xeo2, not atm - thinking ...
[23:39] <xeno2> It did not pick up anything for any of my 3 interfaces.
[23:39] <xeno2> It's like NICS Aren't Us in Clones.
[23:40] <Yelu> xeno2, I did never have a vm, which behaved like that ehen it comes to changing interface parmeter and the like ...
[23:40] <Yelu> ŵhen
[23:41] <xeno2> Well, I have seen Ubuntu behave this way otherwise, a little, but I don't have helpful knowledge to fix it.
[23:42] <Yelu> I'll try to mimic your scenario here in my place - which is your setup? 14.04 Desktop as Vbox-Host? and a 14.04 Server as guest?
[23:42] <xeno2> I just checked the original once again, and it boots fine, and gets the network fine.
[23:43] <Yelu> xeno2, then make a file system copy of the .vdi and change the uuid of the machine , power down the origiinal (if running) nd start the new vm and ceck
[23:43] <Yelu> ^check
[23:44] <Yelu> xeno2,if it behaves right, hust power down add or change the interface to your needs and check that.
[23:44] <xeno2> Okay,..uuid?
[23:44] <Yelu> xeno2, please stand by ...
[23:47] <Yelu> xeno2, vbox manual chapter 8.24 this is a command line interface cloning procedure
[23:47] <xeno2> Ok I'll look that up.
[23:49] <Yelu> xwno2, maybe this gives us also a proof, if it is the GUI function call which is causing your problem
[23:49] <xeno2> Okay, you are NOT saying this is what causes the problem, but cloning this way may avoid it?
[23:50] <xeno2> The term "registered virtual hard disk image" is confusing me.
[23:50] <Yelu> xeno2, I'm not sure, as I told you, that this behaviour is also unknown to me. - I wanted to test this next week
[23:50] <Yelu> xeo2, reading ...
[23:51] <xeno2> Yes.  Well, it appears I'm deadending on Chef server tonight.  I'm sorry.  It is better not to burn yourself out when you're not ready.  I will try to help you when you have time, and you can reach me at the email I gave you.
[23:52] <Yelu> xeno2, yes, registered is a machine, which is known by the progrm VirtualBox (you alreay cloned such a first machine)
[23:52] <xeno2> But I don't want to pull you in unfairly.
[23:54] <a1fa> gentlemen, and ladies.. is there such thing as encrypted root fs w/o password, but single user mode would require pass?
[23:55] <Yelu> xeno2, I've got no boss, so it's up to me, how I spend my time. - But if you want to suspend the work, it's no problem ;)
[23:55] <xeno2> I just reviewed the 14.04 clone, and comes up clean and fast.
[23:56] <xeno2> So it is apparently specific to the 12.04 Ubuntu.
[23:56] <Yelu> xeno2, so this would be a good base to start again from?
[23:56] <xeno2> But it's only the clone of the 12.04, and not the original, that yields the problem.
[23:56] <Yelu> xeno2, I see
[23:56] <Yelu> xeno2, why not stick with 14.04?
[23:56] <xeno2> If you can suggest a bunch of combinations to clone by hand, I would be glad to try each one and see how they boot.
[23:57] <xeno2> Because chef server does not support it yet.  They only have a take home install for 12.04 and earlier.
[23:58] <xeno2> Everyone else works off the cloud, and perhaps that's what I should do.  However, I'd be happy to try the aforementioned combinations if you want, and it would be better for me to make it work.
[23:58] <xeno2> Otherwise, it just means I need to install on my original.
[23:58] <xeno2> And I can make more originals.
[23:59] <xeno2> So you don't hurt me to stop now, but I'm glad to go forward if you have some combination you'd like me to try.
[23:59] <Yelu> xeno2, I will give you a cli cloning command i a couple of minutes (have to re-read manual or re-find my script)


[11:48] <willcooke> qengho, just to let you know, my Cr. icon issues have resolved themselves
[11:48] <willcooke> no idea why, I'd rebooted etc a few times yesterday
[11:48] <willcooke> but suddenly today, it's working again