[01:59] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Need some help with a strategy for fixing a copyright issue in lxqt-runner. TL;DR: Upstream LXQt has two icons in lxqt-runner that contain a Photoshop ICC profile under a DFSG-incompatible license. I can convert the ICC profiles with GIMP to fix the problem, but that will require either a manual repack or an overhaul of the packaging similar to what we and Tormod did in
[01:59] <arraybolt3> XScreenSaver. Thoughts?
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Matrix apparently got the two parts of the one message backwards.
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Obviously I'm going to file a bug report on this.)
[02:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (On the copyright issue, not the Matrix scramble :P)
[02:05]  * arraybolt3[m] starts to wonder if LXQt is going to start considering me the pedantic copyright-enforcing jerk :P
[02:06] <tsimonq2> "Proof or it didn't happen"
[02:06] <tsimonq2> As in, how did you find this out?
[02:06] <arraybolt3[m]> exiftool.
[02:06] <arraybolt3[m]> One moment...
[02:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: https://pastebin.com/ZRMDFS7h
[02:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Notably, "Profile Name                    : Photoshop ICC profile"
[02:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Here's Adobe's license for the Adobe RGB (1998) ICC profile: https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/iccprofiles/icc_eula_win_end.html
[02:08] <arraybolt3[m]> And according to the "Profile Copyright               : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company" line, that is indeed the profile we're dealing with.
[02:09] <arraybolt3[m]> The file "vrdp_16px.png" in the same directory as the pastebin shows also is affected.
[02:10] <arraybolt3[m]> According to a run of `for i in *; do echo $i; exiftool $i |& grep -i copyright; done`, those are the only two affected files in the directory.
[02:11] <arraybolt3[m]> And having used exiftool on the other image files in the repo, I'm certain that these are the only two affected files.
[10:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Assuming I have the time tomorrow (things are a bit crazy in $PERSONAL_LIFE), and unless anyone has objections, I'll attempt to edit the packaging to exclude the files with the proprietary ICC profiles when uscan is run, and copy in identical files with the GIMP ICC profile at build time in order to resolve this.
[10:58]  * arraybolt3[m] -> bed
[16:10] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'm confused on the part of the Adobe license that is DFSG-incompatible, maybe I was reading too quickly
[16:10] <tsimonq2> Either way, big day tomorrow. Feature Freeze and 22.04.2 :)
[16:13] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: "No other distribution of the Software is allowed; including, without limitation, distribution of the Software when incorporated into or bundled with any application software. You may not modify the Software." (From the Adobe ICC license.) "The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the
[16:13] <arraybolt3> original software." (DFSG section 3.) Maybe it's just me, but those look like they contradict each other.
[16:15] <tsimonq2> Ahhhhh, that makes sense
[16:15] <tsimonq2> For sure, poke upstream too :)
[16:15] <tsimonq2> +1 on a repack in the meantime
[16:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Will do. Right now I'm getting roped into the 22.04.2 action though :P
[16:15] <tsimonq2> Have fun ;)
[23:19] <arraybolt3> :( We didn't update Calamares this cycle.
[23:19] <arraybolt3> nvm, we're using the latest version.
[23:19] <arraybolt3> Why did I not check that first. I even started to check it and thought we had a version to update.
[23:20] <guiverc> I'm happy with the calamares we have already on jammy.2 arraybolt3 (or were you thinking lunar?)
[23:20] <arraybolt3> I was thinking Lunar.
[23:21] <arraybolt3> Last cycle we had so much Calamares activity I'm shocked that there wasn't a new release in that time. Either that or else Simon or Thomas already did it.
[23:44] <arraybolt3> Great news everyone, assuming that I have the upload access this time, the LXQt Debian sync debacle has been fully resolved as of whenever Britney gets around to letting the packages through.
[23:44] <arraybolt3> Accepted, yay!
 Perfect!
[23:49] <arraybolt3> Meh, qterminal's stuck in -proposed on apport so I just asked for an autopkgtest retry.


[02:18] <Trevinho> dmj_s76: hey, sorry... its quite late here... So I can't now, and andyrock is in holidays, but we'll take care of it.
[07:44] <vigo> morning
[09:22] <cimi> morning pstolowski, how are we supposed to proceed implementing what we discusses yesterday? you start working on the API then when you have it we add on the dash or I already add that to the dash? also, do we want to document this somewhere?
[09:23] <pstolowski> cimi, morning
[09:23] <pstolowski> cimi, there is no new api, you just need to support it via category renderer attribute, and then we fix scopes
[09:24] <pstolowski> cimi, and yeah, it needs to be documented in the scopes api doc
[09:29] <cimi> pstolowski, when will you start that? can I add this to the dash today?
[09:31] <pstolowski> cimi, ah, I'll probably need to add it to CATEGORY_JSON_DEFAULTS in shell plugin, but that should be enough.
[09:31] <pstolowski> cimi, let me know when you have a branch and then i'll do it in the plugin and music scope, should be quick
[09:31] <cimi> pstolowski, oki
[10:28] <cimi> tsdgeos, still building but I hope that something like this will work http://paste.ubuntu.com/23489853/
[10:29] <tsdgeos> i guess
[10:29] <tsdgeos> you'll want some expandable ones in the fake plugin thoguh
[10:29] <tsdgeos> so you can still see/less more
[10:30] <cimi> Saviq, interesting, if we set cardtool template collapsed-rows to 0 we were basically hiding see more/less
[10:30] <cimi> Saviq, maybe this is what you remembered?
[10:30] <Saviq> cimi, with how many rows?
[10:31] <cimi> mmm
[10:31] <cimi> yeah 0 doesnt make much sense
[10:32] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah I will tweak just for the first index
[10:32] <tsdgeos> cimi: it means "show everything"
[10:33] <tsdgeos> which is not what we want here
[10:33] <tsdgeos> we want "show 2 rows without see more/less"
[10:33] <cimi> tsdgeos, need to test it
[10:34] <tsdgeos> what's the name of the channel with the bileto status reports for silos?
[10:34]  * tsdgeos forgot
[10:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑
[10:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, #ubuntu-ci-eng
[10:36] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah you're right
[10:45] <cimi> tsdgeos, works http://paste.ubuntu.com/23489903/
[10:46] <tsdgeos> you don't need the expanded one, no?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> after all you're already changing expandable
[10:46] <cimi> maybe should rename to notExpandable
[10:47] <cimi> tsdgeos, if I don't change readonly property bool expanded: baseItem.expanded || !baseItem.expandable
[10:47] <cimi> tsdgeos, then height: expanded ? item.expandedHeight : item.collapsedHeight
[10:47] <cimi> and height will be of the expanded
[10:47] <cimi> so I need to force the collapsed height
[10:47] <cimi> does this make sense?
[10:48] <tsdgeos> cimi: yes/no maybe
[10:49] <cimi> :D
[10:49] <tsdgeos> i guess it depends where you want to make this count
[10:49] <tsdgeos> and if you want item.exapndedHeight know that it will always be just 2 rows or not
[10:49] <tsdgeos> or you want to force that at the GSV level
[10:50] <tsdgeos> both are ok approaches i guess
[10:50] <tsdgeos> but yeah we need better names for those variables
[10:50] <tsdgeos> was a bit of a headache reading
[10:50] <tsdgeos> expanded exandanble and noExpandable
[10:50] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:54] <cimi> tsdgeos, better name for template["expandable"] == false?
[10:55] <cimi> like, the property noExpandable
[10:55] <cimi> that could be notExpandable
[10:55] <cimi> or forceNotExpandable
[10:55] <cimi> or some other crap
[10:58] <tsdgeos> i like the force
[11:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, problem is, if expandable is not set, the property forceNotExpandable is true
[11:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, shall I check for the property to be defined, or I expect pawel to always define expandable to true?
[11:23] <tsdgeos> no
[11:23] <tsdgeos> check for it to be defined
[11:49] <cimi> pstolowski, oki
[11:49] <cimi> pstolowski, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/dash-forceNotExpandable/+merge/311134
[11:50] <cimi> pstolowski, building on silo 2202 right now
[11:56] <pstolowski> cimi, cool, i'll create my part today too
[12:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/dash-forceNotExpandable/+merge/311134
[16:00] <cimi> pstolowski, managed to get something working?
[16:01] <pstolowski> cimi, i haven't started yet, about to
[16:47] <pstolowski> cimi, are we targeting vivid with this fix?
[16:51] <cimi> pstolowski, I guess too
[16:52] <cimi> pstolowski, for clicks? ask Saviq too
[16:54] <pstolowski> ?
[16:54] <pstolowski> cimi, we've been told to land only critical fixes that are targeted for OTA
[17:07] <pstolowski> cimi, my stuff is in silo 2217; will try to test tomorrow morning (not sure how exactly since my phone and tablet are vivid)
[17:08] <pstolowski> the scope will probably need a few iterations to make sure it looks good in all circumstances
[17:09] <cimi> pstolowski, I only have vivid devices too
[17:11] <pstolowski> anyway.. i'll figure this out tomorrow. eod, cu!
[17:11] <cimi> cu!
[17:18] <mterry> josharenson: hey btw I am aware of your session-icon MP but have been too busy with snappy work
[17:18] <mterry> josharenson: I will point out that depending on session-lightdm is a sure way to not land for a long time anyway
[17:18] <mterry> josharenson: I think I need to pull out the mock refactoring in that branch
[17:18] <josharenson> mterry: haha ok
[17:19] <josharenson> mterry: 90% of the branch depends on the new mock...
[17:19] <josharenson> mterry: but I can backport if you think its a better idea
[17:19] <mterry> josharenson: yeah.  I can't live without that mock refactor
[17:19] <mterry> That's why I have like 6 branches depending on session-lightdm
[17:19] <mterry> But I need to pull it out or they'll never land
[17:19] <mterry> When the u8 snap calms down...
[17:20] <josharenson> mterry: sure thing


[16:07] <slacker_nl> hello
[16:07] <slacker_nl> where does on report translation errors for ubuntu's wiki pages?
[16:08] <slacker_nl> the dutch translation for draft is wrong


[07:26] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4103 it doesn't make sense why this bug was closed
[07:26] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4103 in canonical/cloud-init "Growpart fails on FreeBSD with MBR/Slices" [Closed]
[11:50] <falcojr> In Github, once a fix is committed it is closed


[00:58] <calcmandan> jayjo: no it doesn't. there's a great article on setting this up. let me find you a link
[00:58] <calcmandan> i followed this when i setup google authenticator and it worked like a charm
[01:00] <calcmandan> jayjo: https://askubuntu.com/questions/609117/how-to-setup-two-factor-authentication-in-ubuntu-for-ubuntu-users-using-google-a
[01:01] <calcmandan> jayjo: anytime you login via ssh it'll challenge.
[01:03] <calcmandan> JanC: thanks i'll look into both.
[18:28] <prappl93> Hey all, I have a server I'm running that has 2 NICs, one configured using a static IP and the other using DHCP. I have the DHCP one in a bridge for 2 VMs, but I'm unable to access the static IP from outside of the server itself. Anyone have any suggestions or would be able to look at my interfaces configuration? This is on Ubuntu Server 16.04
[18:44] <tomreyn> i suggest posting you configuration, this could increase chances of someone responding.
[18:49] <prappl93> https://pastebin.com/MVGqW4dx
[22:41] <teward> prappl93: normally, not forwarding between the two interfaces is a result of either ipv4 forwarding not being enabled at sysctl and overly restrictive rules on your firewall
[22:41] <teward> since you need the FORWARD chain of netfilter to accept forwarding traffic to/from interfaces within the system
[22:42] <teward> or NAT rules being wrong and exfil from your system over the DHCP's gateway instead of staying internally
[22:53] <Wally> I'm having some issues binding a Ubuntu machine via realmd / adcli/ it's complaining about keytab authenication - This is what the logs spit out https://pastebin.com/3dS08mDp
[22:53] <tomreyn> see bug 1842951
[22:53] <Wally> You're fast ;)
[22:54] <Teikoman_fi> Does someone know how big of an job would it be to decipher uvtool python code into bash/command sequences? Been trying to figure out what it does and how plus what the config files look like if I would want to do it using the virsh way and I am so reliant on the network-config & bridge part because of Hetzne
[22:54] <Wally> Great I need to do more work :P
[22:55] <Wally> Cheers. That worked
[22:55] <tomreyn> yw
[22:55] <Teikoman_fi> Because of Hetzner side of things and would like to someday see if the uvtool easyness of vm creation could be ported to virt-manager(nowadays Cockpip)


[06:06] <Squirm> fp
[06:35] <magespawn> good morning
[06:36] <Kilos> hi magespawn and all the lurkers
[06:37] <magespawn> how goes it this morning Kilos?
[06:37] <Kilos> good ty magespawn and you?
[06:37] <Kilos> booted without a hassle
[06:37] <Kilos> yay
[06:37] <magespawn> all good, thats good
[06:38] <magespawn> going to school later for yearly photos
[06:38] <magespawn> in fact i had better go now
[06:38] <magespawn> bbl
[06:38] <Kilos> was thinking if i can now get xp to not have a black screen i can run chkdsk and let it mark the bad areas
[06:38] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:39] <magespawn> there must be away to do that in linux
[06:39] <magespawn> will check it out when i come back
[06:39] <Kilos> np
[07:01] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:01] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[07:08] <Squirm> morning
[07:09] <Squirm> to all those latecomers
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Squirm Snowy
[07:25] <Kilos> hi sakhi tonberry352_
[07:36] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday you well?
[07:37] <maiatoday> fine thanks Kilos
[08:20] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:20] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:06] <magespawn> hi all
[09:06] <magespawn> Kilos i have found this http://superuser.com/questions/77789/external-hard-drive-bad-sectors-recover-mark-utility-in-linux
[09:07] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[09:08] <Kilos> the commands i have you actually have to make a file where it remembers them
[09:08] <Kilos> doesnt actually mark them on the drive
[09:19] <Kilos> but im actually scared to fiddle in the ms partition in case it crashes my unity. at the moment its booting cleanly. i havent tried to go to the xp install since grub update
[09:20] <Kilos> but i reckon ubuntu is safe here because it isnt using anything in the first 10g of the drive apart from boot sector i think
[09:23] <magespawn> at least it is working
[09:23] <Kilos> yeah, now disk utility shows it has a few bad sectors
[09:24] <Kilos> as long as sucks stays on them thats fine
[09:24] <Kilos> hehe
[09:25] <magespawn> indeed
[09:29] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[09:30] <Kilos> we just gotta work out how to make QA auto identify with freenode
[09:36] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to read irc freenode #ubuntu-za logs
[09:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/ :: "Get Involved | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved :: "Feedback Monthly irc meeting March | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South ..." http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/03/19/feedback-monthly-irc-meeting-march :: "3 - Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-
[09:36] <Maaz> za.org/node?page=2 :: "User account | Ubuntu ZA - Ubuntu South Africa LoCo" http://ubuntu-za.o…
[09:36] <Kilos> ai!
[09:36] <Kilos> i need saterdays logs to see the commands the weed gave me
[09:37] <Kilos> morning superfly
[09:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:38] <superfly> Kilos: this? pastebin.com/9ULkREsM
[09:38] <superfly> Kilos: this? http://pastebin.com/9ULkREsM
[09:38] <Kilos> ty will go see
[09:39] <Kilos> some commands that must go in ibid.ini
[09:39] <Kilos> yeah thats them ty superfly
[09:40] <superfly> Kilos: not commands
[09:40] <superfly> those are options that you set
[09:41] <Kilos> i looked in ibid.ini but dunno how to make them work
[09:42] <Kilos> tried adding them and adding with set but didnt work
[09:43] <Kilos> maybe they gotta be set in a certain place
[09:57] <Kilos> is this where to do it superfly  http://slexy.org/view/s20abrPeU6
[09:57] <Kilos> there by auth
[09:58] <Kilos> and must i change password to my bots password
[09:59] <Kilos> and i dunno if i must remove hostmask
[10:24] <Kilos> ai! dont work either way
[10:28] <Kilos> Maaz, ibid channel
[10:28] <Maaz> irc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org
[10:42] <magespawn> Kilos hee this might help https://github.com/ibid/ibid/blob/master/ibid.ini
[10:43] <magespawn> s/hee/here
[10:43] <Kilos> ah lemme look there ty magespawn
[10:43] <magespawn> shows you where to set those in the ibi.ini file
[10:44] <magespawn> it is a tumbleweed original
[10:46] <Kilos> that looks good. how did you find that
[10:46] <Kilos> ya i see that but how did you find it
[10:46] <Kilos> what did you google for
[10:46] <magespawn> how to set nickserv password  on ibid
[10:46] <magespawn> Maaz google how to set nickserv password  on ibid
[10:46] <Maaz> magespawn: "Anonymous Latinoamerica" http://anonlatam.tumblr.com/
[10:46] <Kilos> thats most of my prob i think i dunno how to google properly
[10:47] <Kilos> ty
[10:47] <magespawn> everyone gets different results
[10:48] <magespawn> i could be wrong but i think you may have to set the last line to false
[10:50] <magespawn> as in, under freenode "disabled=True" to "disabled=False", but i could be wrong about that
[10:50] <Kilos> lol
[10:51] <Kilos> theres lots to read there and try to understand. my ibid.ini looks very different
[10:51] <Kilos> much less
[11:02] <Kilos> hehe magespawn i remember i fixed an 80g drive once before in a similar fashion
[11:04] <Kilos> started the xp install then told it to use next partition so it installed to D: and the drives still going
[11:04] <Kilos> only the first 100m were messed up
[11:14] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za
[11:14] <Kilos> oh
[11:18] <magespawn> gotta go out bbl
[11:19] <Kilos> later
[14:11] <Kilos-> wb Squirm
[14:18] <Kilos> at last. ty magespawn inetpro
[14:18] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[14:18] <Kilos> QA, coffee on
[14:18]  * QA washes some mugs
[14:18] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[14:18] <Cantide> QA is the new Maaz? 'o'
[14:19] <Kilos> na she is my visiting bot
[14:19] <Kilos> just let her come brag with her cloak
[14:19] <inetpro> QA: coffee please
[14:19] <QA> inetpro: Alrighty
[14:20] <magespawn> is vhata on the ibid channel Kilos?
[14:20] <Kilos> yessir
[14:20] <magespawn> ah well at least it is working now
[14:20] <Kilos> you didnt tell me to remove the #
[14:21] <magespawn> sorry the hash tage means that line is ignored
[14:21] <magespawn> tag even
[14:22] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[14:22] <Kilos> yeah i forgot the uncomment thing
[14:22] <Kilos> QA, ty love
[14:22] <QA> Kilos: What?
[14:23] <Cantide> i had an idea for an app by the way
[14:23] <Cantide> but i'll need to figure out how to use GPS data... and it will be impossible for me to test because i lack an Ubuntu Touch capable device T-T
[14:25] <Cantide> researching now >.<
[14:25] <magespawn> hi Cantide
[14:25] <Cantide> hello :)
[14:25] <magespawn> doesn't ubuntu touch run on top of android?
[14:26] <Cantide> not exactly
[14:26] <Cantide> yes, but now they're releasing "flipped" images
[14:26] <Cantide> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-quot-Flips-quot-the-Table-on-Android-365512.shtml
[14:27] <Cantide> they're slowly but surely removing their dependence on Android it seems, which is great :)
[14:33] <magespawn> it looks like the flipped images are only for certain devices
[14:33] <Cantide> yeah
[14:33] <Cantide> the 4 reference devices
[14:33] <inetpro> Cantide: oh wow!
[14:33] <Cantide> Nexus 4, Galaxy Nexus and i forgot the other tow
[14:33] <Cantide> two *
[14:33]  * inetpro loves the idea of the flipped image
[14:33] <Cantide> at least they are making good progress with Ubuntu Touch :)
[14:34] <Cantide> Can't wait for the first official release
[14:34] <inetpro> nou praat ons!
[14:34] <magespawn> here is some more info https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-July/037443.html
[14:35] <inetpro> watch this space... come next year we will see the Ubuntu phone for real regardless of whether the target of $32m was reached or not
[14:36]  * Cantide clicks
[14:36] <Cantide> well, they may not make their own phone, but i am sure manufacturers are keen to release devices running Ubuntu Touch
[14:36] <Cantide> Can't wait for May!!! (or around there)
[14:38] <Cantide> this is also interesting if you want to see the state it is in on the reference hardware: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE#gid=0
[14:39] <Cantide> does anyone here have a device capable of running Ubuntu Touch?
[14:40] <magespawn> what is an enterprise architect?
[14:40] <Cantide> hmm
[14:41] <Cantide> not sure... sounds like it could be many things
[14:44] <magespawn> just looking at this http://businesstech.co.za/news/it-services/44018/best-paid-it-professionals-in-sa/ and this http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66441
[14:47] <magespawn> same thing
[14:47] <magespawn> later all home and shopping time
[14:47] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[14:48] <Kilos> QA, leave #ubuntu-za
[15:43] <Kilos> hi charl Mezenir
[15:49] <charl> hi Kilos
[16:52] <magespawn> evening
[16:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:53] <magespawn> Everything still working?
[16:53] <Kilos> lol yeah i hope so
[16:53] <magespawn> Cool beans
[16:54] <inetpro> magespawn: define everything
[16:56] <Cantide> evening~
[16:56] <Cantide> it turns out that GPS support hasn't landed in the Ubuntu SDK yet T-T so much for that plan..
[17:12] <magespawn> inetpro not the internet or ftp
[17:15] <magespawn> Specfically Kilos's setup
[17:15] <Kilos> lol
[17:15] <magespawn> Cantide thats too bad
[17:15] <Cantide> yeah..
[17:15] <Cantide> they said it should land in the next week or two
[17:15] <Cantide> i wanted to make a phone-tracking app
[17:15] <Cantide> that would be handy
[17:16] <magespawn> Like smscontrol for the n900
[17:18] <Cantide> can't say i know that >.<
[17:18] <magespawn> http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON
[17:18] <magespawn> Awesome piece of software
[17:19] <Cantide> that seems a bit different to what i had in mind
[17:20] <Cantide> i wanted to make an app that you could install on multiple devices and then link them - then you could query a device for its location
[17:20] <Cantide> a bit tricky for me, but handy for stalkers and / or / parents / friends
[17:21] <Cantide> but alas, with no GPS, and no means for me to test it myself, that is now out the window :)
[17:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight and warm
[18:09] <magespawn> Cantide it would also be handy for finding a misplaced phone or tablet, espcially if you can't phone it like the tablet
[18:09] <Cantide> yeah
[18:09] <Cantide> it's a fun / nice app to make, and useful
[18:10] <Cantide> some parts will be challenging for me - i.e. querying a remote device and that device sending GPS info
[18:10] <Cantide> it's simple to query your own device :)
[18:10] <Cantide> but, as i said, apparently GPS isn't working yet in Ubuntu Touch T-T
[18:10] <magespawn> really? how?
[18:11] <Cantide> using QtLocator -> http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility-1.1/qml-location-plugin.html
[18:11] <Cantide> oh, "Location"
[18:11] <Cantide> same  thing :p
[18:11] <magespawn> maybe wait for it
[18:11] <Cantide> but that hasn't filtered through to the Ubuntu SDK as yet.. so.. -.-
[18:11] <Cantide> yeah, 2 weeks... eh and then i may not be able to implement it as i'd like
[18:12] <Cantide> i decided on something SIMPLE :)
[18:12] <Cantide> that needs no hardware :)
[18:12] <Cantide> also, one can submit as many applications as one likes to the competition
[18:12] <Cantide> there is no limit
[18:12] <magespawn> care to share the details, or you keeping it under wraps for now?
[18:13] <Cantide> so i could make something simple now, submit it within 2 weeks, and then maybe make an attempt at the other one with the remaining time
[18:13] <Cantide> just a nice Unit Converter, because it seems the standard calculator doesn't have one
[18:13] <Cantide> (i'm going to download the calculator app now and test it to be sure)
[18:14] <magespawn> i use those all the time
[18:14] <Cantide> yeah, very handy
[18:14] <Cantide> and very easy to make
[18:14] <Cantide> and useful on the phone, tablet and desktop
[18:14] <Cantide> and relies on no specific hardware such as GPS
[18:14] <Cantide> so i think it's a nice app to make
[18:15] <Cantide> i can do it in a day or two i think
[18:19] <magespawn> cool beans
[18:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps
[18:34] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey :-)
[19:18] <Cantide> "Just to let you know, someone else has already been working on a unit converter (though not for the Showdown). Here is an article about it: http://iloveubuntu.net/handy-utility-unit-converter-reached-01-version-usable-temperature-length-mass-and-time-categories."
[19:18] <Cantide> ffuuuuuuuuuuuu :D


[09:30] <Guest96616> @leokolb
[09:42] <csandoval8> exit
[14:30] <jwidea> Good Morning, has anyone else been receiving an error “Err:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu focal InRelease    403  Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]”
 jwidea: That PPA is disabled and is not providing packages anymore.  That's why you're getting a 403.
 Remove the PPA from your system, and you'll be fine
[14:38] <jwidea> Ok then.  I quite new at this linux OS thing. Found the settings Thank You.  just curious what happened to it, was this a planned removal?
[14:39] <kc2bez[m]> I don't think that ppa has had any packages in quite some time.
 it didn't
 last I see was for Xenial
 so it was probably removed/disabled because of bitrot (staleness)
 in either case just remove the PPA from your system and you'll be fine :)
[14:42] <jwidea> Great info, didn't understand, But now I am the wiser. Thanks Again
[14:44] <guiverc> jwidea, It hadn't been used in a long time, contained only really old packages no-one should be using (EOL releases) so it was disabled...   It's common for archives to be 'cleaned' when releases go EOL (end-of-life)  Xenial is the codename for 16.04; which reached EOL in 2019-April for Lubuntu (3 years from 2016-April release)
[14:52] <jwidea> Truely appriciate the knowledge conveyed.
[14:54] <teward> jwidea: we're happy to help convey knowledge when we can :)
[14:54] <teward> asking questions is also always helpful so we know what knowledge you need from us :)
[14:56] <jwidea> Great, Helps an Old Dog with NEW Tricks :)
[15:00] <jwidea> have a great day,
[15:10] <joshuaa> hi
[15:11] <joshuaa> lubuntu rocks being so light its fast but its still ubuntu
[16:50] <LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN> Need help. >> I have 2 OS on 2 different drives with GRUB Dual Boot WINDOWS ---- Ubuntu, Linux >>> I want to connect remotely to either/or vise versa doesnt matter thru which OS
[20:20] <freebench> hi chaps, having here a lenovo laptop running lubuntu
[20:21] <freebench> root password is being lost. according to manual I try to follow a root pwd could be reset. For this a GRUB menu needs to be accessed first
[20:22] <freebench> the thing is that GRUB doesn't show up even for a couple of seconds
[20:22] <freebench> as it typically does ...
[20:22] <freebench> how to make GRUB pop up
[20:24] <freebench> I can see there is a boot partition ...  /boot/efi
[20:24] <freebench> any advises?
[20:42] <krytarik> freebench: I'd try with hitting Escape during the boot process.
[20:59] <freebench> didn't help
[21:01] <kc2bez[m]> What about holding shift?
[21:07] <freebench> nope :(
[21:14] <freebench> maybe there is something in BIOS that prevents GRUB to show up
[21:17] <freebench> If I hit F12 during the boot, the Boot Menu  shows up listing ubuntu, debian, both of the disks and PCI LAN option
[21:18] <freebench> similar to this https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.expertreviews.co.uk%2Fsites%2Fexpertreviews%2Ffiles%2F2015%2F08%2Fboot_menu.png%3Fitok%3DpuiPdZ7b&f=1&nofb=1
[22:31] <guiverc> freebench, I do a device that is a pain to get grub to show (too quick I think, hit key early & it's ignored by uEFI.BIOS which removes key from buffer of box) & it's just repeated efforts that get SHIFT or ESC to get it to show.  A Lubuntu system won't have a 'root' password though by default (normal for all Ubuntu's to not use root; it's got an invalid password)


[10:57] <SiDi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sidi/notify-osd/xfconf-experimental/diff/375/373?remember=373 MacSlow this should be the patch for gconf/xfconf & for color/text size/opacity settings. You can have a look if you want but i still need to do some testing and to improve the autotools part before proposing it for a merge
[10:58] <MacSlow> SiDi, atm I'm working on backlog support
[10:58] <MacSlow> SiDi, current plan is to address gconf/xconf in two weeks (depending how fast I'll get other stuff sorted)
[10:59] <MacSlow> SiDi, gconf/xconf are low-impact (side-effect wise) imo... so I'll rather do them at the end (close to feature-freeze)
[11:00] <MacSlow> gee... lp is slow today
[11:01] <SiDi> MacSlow: no problem as long as it goes in karmic :)
[11:01] <SiDi> we need it for xubuntu
[11:01] <MacSlow> SiDi, argl... please no renaming of #defines
[11:02] <SiDi> i can revert that if you want. They were not actually needed anymore as they were defined, but some fallback ones were needed. I renamed them to make it more clear what they were used for
[11:05] <MacSlow> SiDi, unit-tests should be done also
[11:06] <SiDi> Can they be shell scripts ?
[11:06] <MacSlow> they could but that would be the easy/lazy way :)
[11:06] <MacSlow> they need to be properly integrated into "make check", "make test"
[11:06] <SiDi> Using gconf/xfconf is much much much nicer via CLI than with C (especially gconf :d)
[11:07] <SiDi> ok. it'll take me some time to figure how to do this :/
[11:07] <MacSlow> yeah
[11:07] <SiDi> MacSlow: would you like me to write a template of configuration framework, too ?
[11:08] <MacSlow> unit-tests are unpleasant I know
[11:08] <MacSlow> what do you mean by "template" thereß
[11:08] <MacSlow> ?
[11:09] <SiDi> a defaults-template.c/h file, defining the conf_* functions that are needed (which would return some random values), so that if someone wanna write configuration with a file parser or another conf storage utility, they have a template to get started with
[11:09] <MacSlow> SiDi, nah don't bother
[11:10] <SiDi> Okey
[11:10] <MacSlow> SiDi, that  would best be done the GObject-way ... for consistency reasons
[11:10] <SiDi> I don't think i understand more than 1% of gobject, MacSlow :)
[11:11] <MacSlow> and regarding the tweaking-capability we would not over-commit
[11:12] <MacSlow> SiDi, don't worry... your in good company... at least I can understand any possible "pain" from trying to wrap your brain around it if you tried before :)
[11:12] <MacSlow> especially if one is used to OO coming from C++ or Python
[11:14] <SiDi> Yeh... if i really want efficient OO i prefer writing some Vala or some C++ (even if im not a fan of C++ at all). Gobject is way too tortuous
[11:17] <SiDi> is './configure' || './configure --with-xfconf' acceptable or should i try to get something like './configure --conf-storage=gconf||xfconf' MacSlow ?
[11:20] <MacSlow> --with-gconf or --with-xconf (while being mutually exclusive)
[11:20] <SiDi> ok
[11:25]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[12:50] <njpatel> SiDi: ping -- do you have a bug to track your progress with the gconf work? Some bugs against notify-osd are easily solved with these options, so I'd like something to mark them duplicates of :)
[12:51] <SiDi> njpatel: i've got 3 bugs
[12:51] <SiDi> one for color/opacity, one for text size, one for xfce
[12:52] <SiDi><PHONE_NUMBER>83 331949
[12:52] <SiDi> and there is a branch, lp:~sidi/notify-osd/xfconf-experimental
[12:52] <SiDi> i'm clearing the autotools and writing unit tests now, then it'll be ready for review, njpatel
[12:52] <njpatel> SiDi: awesome, I'll start marking some of these bugs as dups, then
[12:53] <SiDi> as you wish :)
[13:17]  * SiDi waves at dashua
[13:22] <dashua> Hey SiDi :)
[13:22] <dashua> You are a coding animal lately.
[13:24] <dashua> https://updown.ubuntuone.com/d286d58c-6db6-4d06-b34f-956c3f069af4
[13:24] <dashua> Polished theme if anyone cares to test :)
[13:25] <SiDi> dashua: i'm a dev after all :P
[13:25] <SiDi> blergh, ubuntuone is broken with xfce Q_Q
[13:25] <dashua> Ah bah
[13:27]  * SiDi hates makefiles and autotools
[13:34] <dashua> SiDi, http://www.speedyshare.com/616120880.html
[13:37] <dashua> I know you're not a fan of the titlebar gradient, but I think it works in this case subtly
[13:37] <SiDi> blargh, remember i run xfwm :P
[13:38] <SiDi> which reminds me i have to refresh several themes for karmic @(^_^)@
[13:39] <SiDi> (btw, im still using Alvaro, dashua ;) )
[13:41] <dashua> Oh nice
[13:44] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22305/screenshot_005_e6sgtG.png
[13:44] <dashua> I should polish up Alvaro's metacity
[13:44] <dashua> I haven't worked on it in some time
[13:44] <dashua> Your screenies look very nice on the Exaile page
[13:54] <dashua> This may compliment the new sexxy GDM somewhat.  Iteration is nice.
[14:10] <SiDi> thanks dashua :)
[14:10] <SiDi> the new progress bar owns in this screenshot dashua
[14:11] <SiDi> and the metacity is actually quite cool. Did you try with a cream color such as tooltips' instead of white for metacity ?
[14:12] <mac_v> hehe... dashua has disk errors , palimpsest disk fail?
[14:16] <dashua> mac_v, Ha yeah, that gnome-disk-utility is sensitive
[14:17] <dashua> SiDi, cream for the text?
[14:17] <mac_v> dashua: you can turn it off , once you realize its not fatal
[14:18] <dashua> I don't where this utility appeared from.  Never had it before.
[14:18] <dashua> Ah cool.
[14:20] <mac_v> dashua: its a new karmic "feature" , you can turn it off from the startup apps , when Bug #412152 is properly fixed you can turn it back ON ;)
[14:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412152 in gnome-disk-utility "gnome-disk-utility nags me too much that my disk is failing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412152
[14:20] <dashua> mac_v, Thx :)
[14:25] <dashua> mac_v, I'm happy about this.  -> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22309/screenshot_006_51bYiB.png
[14:26] <SiDi> (the bottom gradient looks weird ^.^)
[14:26] <SiDi> (how do the ooo menus look like ?)
[14:28] <dashua> Bah not good
[14:28] <dashua> OOo is my theming nemesis
[14:29] <dashua> Oh the bottom is part of the metacity
[14:30] <SiDi> http://imagebin.ca/img/JDL1f6Kl.png huh
[14:37] <mac_v> dashua: looks great , but the bottom could be thinner ;) no pun intended
[14:38] <dashua> Ha ok.  Thx for the feedback.
[14:39] <dashua> Remove the bottom gradient, you think altogether?
[14:41] <mac_v> dashua: i'm not sure about removing , but generally a thinner border would be better
[14:41] <SiDi> remove :P
[14:41] <dashua> Alright ;)
[14:43] <mac_v> dashua: i really like the new scrollbars :) , awesome , link to the updated theme pls
[14:44] <SiDi> MacSlow: any idea why gconf_client_get_float returns 0.0 and doesnt set error if the gconf key doesnt exist ? :x
[14:45] <dashua> mac_v, bzr branch lp:hanso
[14:45] <MacSlow> SiDi, check the GError
[14:46] <SiDi> its NULL
[14:46] <mac_v> ah... nice
[14:46] <MacSlow> SiDi, not the returned value... 0.0f can be returned if the requested gconf-key didn't exists
[14:46] <dashua> The sexxy scale and progressbar through were removed as it uses nodoka
[14:47] <MacSlow> SiDi, use the GError... don't irgnore it by just passing NULL to it in gconf_client_get_float()
[14:47] <SiDi> MacSlow: i mean the error var is still null after the call to gconf_client_get_string
[14:48] <MacSlow> SiDi, from the GConf ref.-manual: "the value of key, or 0.0 if no value is obtained"
[14:48] <SiDi> oh
[14:48] <SiDi> so 0.0 is another error case :/
[14:48] <MacSlow> SiDi, are you talking about gconf_client_get_float() or gcon_client_get_string()?
[14:49] <SiDi> get_float
[14:49] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255134/ MacSlow
[14:50] <SiDi> returns : "before 0.8 | after 0.0 | returns 0.0", and never goes inside the "error set" part
[14:54] <MacSlow> SiDi, see what you get as error http://paste.ubuntu.com/255139/
[14:57] <SiDi> MacSlow: my problem is that, while there is an error (the key isnt set), the "error" var is still NULL after the gconf call
[14:57] <SiDi> it doesnt initialize it as it should. and gconf-editor does not show the gconf key, im sure it doesnt exist
[14:58] <MacSlow> SiDi, do you have your branch somewhere public I can pull from?
[14:59] <SiDi> lp:~sidi/notify-osd/xfconf-experimental
[15:03] <dashua> mac_v, SiDi, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22310/screenshot_007_dX39ZY.png
[15:05] <mac_v> dashua: hehe , i can see the disabled options having a problem , notice the forward , i had the problem while hacking Dust and dropped it since ti was too much work
[15:06] <MacSlow> SiDi, I'm on a conf-call atm
[15:06] <SiDi> MacSlow: okey
[15:07] <MacSlow> SiDi, conf as in conference... not x/gconf :)
[15:07] <SiDi> MacSlow: crap, was gonna use xfconf-query on you
[15:08] <dashua> mac_v, The nodoka elements?
[15:08] <dashua> It was too hard to support the theme when the engine is not packaged
[15:10] <mac_v> dashua: yeah , its tough to get the disabled option the right shade for  OOo and the rest , else it would look more like a highlighted item , rather than a dimmed one
[15:10] <dashua> Ah yeah. I see what you mean.
[15:16] <SiDi> MacSlow: dont bother with that bug, i workarounded it by using fallback value if the opacity is set to 0.0..
[16:29] <djsiegel3> DanRabbit: ping
[17:02] <SiDi> MacSlow: what the hell should the unit tests actually do ? :/
[17:02] <SiDi> should i change the keys via gconf/xfconf and check that bubbles' properties have the good value ?
[17:03] <MacSlow> SiDi, test every introduced call with wrong keys and verifiing that they return default values (thus notify-osd continues to run and display stuff properly)
[17:03] <MacSlow> SiDi, and then test each gconf/xconf value properly (depending on what system your running on)
[17:04] <SiDi> okey
[17:04] <SiDi> im completely failing to find out how to build my test file, not to mention checking bubbles' properties :D
[17:04] <MacSlow> SiDi, as an example/template look at... notify-osd/tests/test-notification.c how to do it
[17:04] <SiDi> okey
[17:05] <MacSlow> SiDi, the initial problem is to design the code in a way so it can easily be unit tested
[17:05] <MacSlow> SiDi, sometimes it's simple... sometimes it's less than obvious
[17:05] <MacSlow> e.g. stuff like DBus or gconf/xconf make unit-testing less obvious
[17:05] <SiDi> MacSlow: i dont see how i could properly know that my bubble has finished redrawing after i used gconf or xfconf to change a value
[17:06] <MacSlow> SiDi, no... no need fo rthat
[17:06] <MacSlow> SiDi, just make sure (test) for the expected values (or fallback-values)
[17:06] <MacSlow> you'll probably only have to setup and query class Defaults I think
[17:06] <SiDi> in defaults, then ?
[17:06] <MacSlow> yes
[17:06] <SiDi> okey
[17:07] <MacSlow> automatic testing/verification of rendered output is very hard to test against
[17:08] <MacSlow> SiDi, you'll probably have to #ifdef some of the tests depeding of wether you compiled with xconf or gconf
[17:08] <MacSlow> SiDi, that's actually bad... but I don't currently see how to avoid that
[17:09] <MacSlow> SiDi, apart from forcing anybody wanting to run "make test" to install gconf and xconf (+ dependecies)
[17:09] <MacSlow> which would/will annoy a certain kind of people ;)
[17:10] <MacSlow> SiDi, unit-tests are dull and boring... but a very good way to thoroughly ensure all your written API-code is solid and bullet-proof
[17:11] <SiDi> MacSlow: i was thinking of test-xfconf & test-gconf.c, and choosing which to use with Makefile.am
[17:11] <MacSlow> SiDi, that's why unit-test-cases should also pass "crap" to calls to verify it does crash/blowup or so
[17:12] <MacSlow> SiDi, don't you think it's simpler to just add to test-defaults.c?
[17:12] <MacSlow> SiDi, that'll save you some setup and figuring out
[17:12] <SiDi> now that i know this file exists, yes, MacSlow :D
[17:12] <MacSlow> SiDi, if you want to run just your (the unit-test for class Defaults)
[17:12] <MacSlow> do
[17:12] <MacSlow> cd notify-osd/tests
[17:13] <MacSlow> ./test-modules -p /defaults
[17:13] <SiDi> okey
[17:13] <MacSlow> that'll speed up your turn-around cycles while working on your unit-tests
[17:14] <MacSlow> SiDi, I'll be going offline in a few minutes... so should you have further questions... either email them to me ot try to catch me later (in 3 hours) here
[17:16] <SiDi> MacSlow: sure. thanks for your patience :)
[17:17] <SiDi> btw, can i put the DEFAULT_ defines in default.h instead of default.c ?
[17:17] <SiDi> so i can use them from test-default.c instead of copy/pasting values
[17:17]  * MacSlow scratches head...
[17:18] <SiDi> at the moment you just repeat the values in test-defaults, which will require not forgetting about updating them when you change the defaults
[17:18] <MacSlow> SiDi, that would introduce no harm... yes... that can be savely done
[17:20] <SiDi> okey
[17:20] <MacSlow> SiDi, you're patch against notify-osd will become pretty large i can imagine... so don't be surprised that I'll will reshuffle things a bit and split it up in smaller (~800 loc) chunks for review later
[17:20] <SiDi> MacSlow: i setup a branch and separated commits a little
[17:21] <MacSlow> SiDi, that's just common practice within our team
[17:21] <SiDi> No problem :)
[17:21] <MacSlow> SiDi, just so that you know how I tick :)
[17:56] <djsiegel1> mac_v: I have a paper cuts task if you want it
[17:56] <mac_v> djsiegel1: hmm... what is it?
[17:57] <djsiegel1> move all paper cuts assigned to ayatana to invalid for ayatana, and tag them "ayatana" instead
[17:57] <djsiegel1> mac_v it's only 17 bugs
[17:58] <mac_v> djsiegel1: huh? move them to where?
[17:58] <mac_v> which project?
[17:58] <djsiegel1> no moving
[17:58] <djsiegel1> mark invalid in ayatana
[17:58] <djsiegel1> and tag them with "ayatana"
[17:59] <mac_v> djsiegel1: ok... but what do you want me to state as the reason for that?
[18:00] <djsiegel1> no reason needed
[18:00] <djsiegel1> ayatana is being deleted and re-created
[18:00] <mac_v> ok.
[18:00] <mac_v> djsiegel1: by when do you want this done ?
[18:01] <djsiegel1> now if you can, otherwise I can do it
[18:01] <mac_v> djsiegel1: ATM , i'm busy ...
[18:01] <djsiegel1> ok, no prob
[18:17] <SiDi> djsiegel1: why is ayatana being deleted ? :|
[18:17] <djsiegel1> SiDi: it's just being renamed
[18:17] <djsiegel1> it's called ayatana-project, and someone wants it renamed to ayatana
[18:18] <djsiegel1> which means it has to be deleted first...
[18:18] <SiDi> why dont you just ping the LP admins about it ? :P
[18:27] <djsiegel1> SiDi: LP admins are the ones who told me to do this
[18:27] <djsiegel1> mac_v: r7 is also short 1 paper cut
[18:28] <mac_v> djsiegel1: r10 will has a few more than needed , you could pick one you like ;p
[18:28] <djsiegel1> ok, cool
[19:47] <mac_v> djsiegel1: is synaptic being replaced in karmic itself?
[20:14] <SiDi> mac_v: Oo?
[20:15] <mac_v> SiDi: o.0?
[20:15] <SiDi> is synaptic gonna be replaced ?
[20:17] <mac_v> SiDi: eventually by appcenter ,either karmic or karmic+1
[20:19] <SiDi> i really need to subscribe to ubuntu-devel...
[20:19] <SiDi> how many mails / day does that represent ?
[20:20] <mac_v> SiDi: thats not in devel , i just gave you some top secret info
[20:21] <SiDi> bleh
[20:21] <SiDi> how do you know top secret info ?
[20:21] <mac_v> SiDi: well i have my sources...
[20:22]  * SiDi gently tortures mac_v
[20:22] <SiDi> I'm listening.
[20:23] <mac_v> SiDi: only if you promise not to tell any one else?
[20:23] <SiDi> Sure.
[20:23] <SiDi> (btw, google appcenter :p)
[20:23] <mac_v> SiDi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppCenter
[20:24] <mac_v> ;p
[22:50]  * SiDi waves @ MacSlow
[22:50] <SiDi> Was gonna send you an email :P
[22:50] <MacSlow> SiDi, just do it anyway :)
[22:50] <MacSlow> hi btw
[22:51] <SiDi> MacSlow<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[23:01] <MacSlow> SiDi, yes


[09:28] <mdke> damn, how did this happen? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2009-August/000220.html
[17:16] <wildnfree> Hello all! Is there ever any news on this channel?
[17:20] <tyche> Yea, about once a week the UWN comes out.
[17:21] <wildnfree> I noticed this Guardian story:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/12/real-realdvd
[17:22] <wildnfree> This story is how RealNetworks has been banned from selling RealDVD because it allows people to copy DVDs. Interestingly the courts decision was because they violated the licence for CSS, but mentions the fact that DeCSS has been found not illegal in court before and so they would have been alright if they had produced the software on Linux using DeCSS ;-)
[17:22] <wildnfree>  Apparently the Judge said it wasn't illegal for a user to copy their DVDs, it was just that it was illegal to produce software to do it which used CSS code in violation of the CSS licence.
[17:22] <tyche> It's interesting, but not directly Ubuntu related.  Particularly since it's RealNewtorks.
[17:24] <wildnfree> But at least I'm trying ;-)
[17:25] <tyche> Oh, yea.  No problem with that.  It's just that the way the Ubuntu Weekly News is set up, we try to keep to things that are directly Ubuntu related and community oriented.  I appreciate the attempt, though.
[17:30] <wildnfree> Hard to know what the guidelines are when no-one appears to contribute on this channel!
[17:31] <tyche> You can always ask me.  I'm happy to help
[17:31] <tyche> And right now, I've got to fix a bunch of camelcases that the Chief Editor left in an article he wrote up.  LOL
[17:32] <wildnfree> What are camelcases?
[17:32] <tyche> wiki links, where there's a capital letter in the middle, like CamelBack.
[17:36] <wildnfree> The only bit of directly Ubuntu related news I could give you actually dates from last year. It is that the aerial circus troupe I am a member of (Mists of Time) became 100% Ubuntu on its computers last year. Probably not a lot if interest in that though. :-(
[17:37] <tyche> Actually, if we'd seen that last year we would have put it in.  Something like that is a great human interest link to Ubuntu.
[17:40] <wildnfree> How about this then:
[17:43] <wildnfree> This year marks the first anniversary of the British aerial circus troupe Mists of Time converting all its computers to Ubuntu. For a whole year now, all activities such as lesson plans for teaching, all administration and fund raising activities, all artistic production work, and all video production work has been achieved on Ubuntu workstations.
[17:44] <tyche> Sounds good.  Is there a link I can reference?  (News article, blog site, something like that?  Or even a notation on the Mists of Time page.)
[17:45] <tyche> Plus any other information you can put in there.
[17:45] <wildnfree> We haven't got a web site at present but will again soon.
[17:46] <tyche> Like I said, even a blog would be good.
[17:46] <johnc4510> hello
[17:46] <johnc4510> catching up
[17:46] <wildnfree> I've got my google profile http://www.google.com/profiles/helen.wildnfree
[17:48] <tyche> Is the blog at http://geekfeminism.org/2009/08/14/when-it-changed-1998/ yours?
[17:49] <wildnfree> I contributed to it - the blog belongs to Kirrily Robert from ubuntu-women
[17:49] <johnc4510> wildnfree: if you have a link to that circus troupe thing please paste it here
[17:50] <wildnfree> We've been mentioned by other people a few times, I could see if I could find some references to those if you like.
[17:51] <tyche> wildnfree: would Kirrily mind you "contributing" an article to the blog, so we could reference it?
[17:51] <johnc4510> sure...the only thing we require for the UWN is that it specifically refers to Ubutnu
[17:51] <johnc4510> Ubuntu
[17:52] <tyche> (Don't mind johnc4510.  He's having a hard time spelling today.  johnc4510, that's t-o-d-a-y.  Hee hee)
[17:52] <johnc4510> wildnfree: also, anytime you have an Ubuntu related article to tell us about, just post it here and we'll look it over
[17:52] <johnc4510> ah
[17:55] <wildnfree> I have found this blog mentioning us and two of the other instructors Elly Cribbens and Rhys Thomas (founder of our troupe) http://artofdancesam.blogspot.com/2008/06/trapeze-classes.html
[17:57] <johnc4510> looking
[17:59] <johnc4510> that's very nice, but it has nothing Ubuntu in it i'm afraid...we only report Ubuntu related news of the recent week
[18:00] <johnc4510> but please let us know if you have anything later
[18:00] <johnc4510> thx
[18:02] <tyche> wildnfree: see PM
[18:02] <wildnfree> what is PM
[18:02] <tyche> Private message
[18:03] <tyche> Depending on the IRC client, you should have a new tab, window, or other reference that you didn't have before.
[18:04] <tyche> It would probably reference my nickname.
[22:21] <wildnfree> At last I can put some Ubuntu related news on this channel :-)
[22:21] <wildnfree> Hello folks: I now have my own blog - Ubuntu And The Art Of An Aerial Acrobat -- http://helen-mccall.blogspot.com/
[22:21] <wildnfree>  I have said some nice things in it about ubuntu-women
[22:34] <andv> wildnfree, cool
[22:35] <andv> wildnfree, looks like you are an enthustiastic contributor
[22:37] <wildnfree> Thanks, I now need to keep blogging regularly so it doesnt get stale, which means that I am going to have to work harder at some of my interests so I have things to write! :-/
[22:37] <andv> I saw you wanna become an ubuntu member
[22:37] <andv> where do you want to start contributing?
[22:38] <andv> I mean in which area
[22:38] <andv> e.g developing, art, documentation, IRC help, forums, MLs
[22:39] <wildnfree> Once I've got a good grip on the Gnome Documentation Project stuff (reams and reams of it) I could volunteer on documentation. I also intend to maintain the openshot-docs package and the cc-publisher package once I get them accepted by REVU.
[22:40] <andv> wildnfree, are those packages ready already?
[22:40] <wildnfree> andv: what are MLs
[22:40] <andv> mailing lists
[22:40] <andv> wildnfree, what do you mean by 'accepted by REVU'?
[22:40] <andv> you are not able to upload your packages or what?
[22:41] <wildnfree> andv: no I'm still working on learning good Ubuntu packaging from the videos that are on the MOTU site, and improving my first ghastly monstosities of packages which accidentally work ;-)
[22:42] <wildnfree> I don't yet know how to upload to REVU
[22:42] <andv> wildnfree, that's not hard
[22:42] <wildnfree> I've spent the last month just learning enormous amounts of things to do what I have been doing
[22:42] <andv> dput knows 'REVU' as host
[22:43] <andv> so doing dput revu foo.dsc will do the trick for you
[22:43] <andv> * .changes
[22:43] <andv> * foo.changes I meant
[22:43] <wildnfree> does that upload the package as well as the description  file?
[22:44] <andv> files that have to be uploaded are set into the .changes file
[22:44] <wildnfree> These are not packages which are in Ubuntu or Debian yet. So I am producing the first .deb packages for them
[22:44] <andv> you need to use debuild -option -option
[22:44] <andv> to choose which kind of upload you may need
[22:45] <wildnfree> I now need to learn how to use the .changes file properly :-/
[22:45] <andv> debuild -S -sa includes orig tarball
[22:45] <andv> debuild -S doesnt include it
[22:45] <andv> for istance
[22:46]  * nhandler thinks this discussion might be better suited for #ubuntu-motu
[22:46] <wildnfree> Aah! All the documentation I found on packaging was assuming that I would be just making changes to an existing package - so I never saw that - brilliant :-)
[22:47] <wildnfree> nhandler: I tried #ubuntu-motu and got no help at all. I have had far more help from here just now and from ubuntu-women. The response I got from one member of ubuntu-motu was very dismissive and rude.
[22:48] <andv> nhandler is right ;)
[22:48] <wildnfree> I know ;-)
[22:50] <andv> wildnfree, anyway if you need any help just ask on -motu
[22:50] <andv> if I'm around I'll get to you
[22:50] <andv> if not someone else will help you hopefully
[22:56] <andv> wildnfree, and keep working the way you doing
[22:56] <andv> ;)
[23:12] <wildnfree> Thank you andv. If I want any help may I private message you when you are on this channel - to keep the channel on topic?
[23:13] <andv> yes feel free to pm me if I'm around
[23:13] <wildnfree> Many thanks andv, I will :-)
[23:13] <andv> if I'm online I'm alwais connected to this channel as well
[23:14] <andv> np
[23:14] <andv> have fun with your packaging
[23:14] <andv> it's nice when you learn
[23:14] <andv> :)


[05:09] <valorie> set a face.ico I think it's called
[05:12] <valorie> it's .face.icon in your $HOME
[05:13] <diogenes_> it's .face
[05:13] <valorie> @Manisha Sarap ^^^
[05:16] <valorie> why?
[05:16] <valorie> that is how it is done
[05:20] <valorie> go to your home folder, and turn on "see invisible files" in Dolphin
[05:20] <valorie> type .face and open it up
[05:21] <valorie> upload a PNG image called .face.icon and symlink it to .face
[05:21] <valorie> there might even be a readme file in there
[05:22] <valorie> mine is just the Kubuntu symbol
[05:23] <krytarik> Also look at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM#Avatar
[07:23] <kolja> hi there i'm facing blank screen problem on sddm with intel GPU i915, and i can't find any solution for that, the only trick i found is to start in recovery mode and than resume standard boot, anyone can help me? thank you
[07:23] <kolja> Ubuntu 17.10
[07:24] <kolja> kernel 4.13.0-38-generic
 @kolja, SDDM can be avoided if you specify a user for autologin.  If that is not an option, ensure /etc/sddm.conf contains a line that says: Session=plasma.desktop
 you could also try: dpkg-reconfigure - reconfigure sddm
 make that: sudo dpkg-reconfigure sddm
[07:51] <kolja> DarinMiller: Session propery in [Autologin] session is empty, i'll fill it as you describe , thank you, i'll be back
[08:02] <kolja> DarinMiller: all your suggestions did not solve the problem, other hint ?
[08:05] <kolja> i discover now that there is the place to insert password (noted due to cursor changing) and i can login, but plasma does not start only previous session opened programs appears
[09:29] <kolja> hi again, session crashed before see answere if any
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:30] <vespertatia> hi there
[15:26] <wiq> Hi, I am having HP Pavilion G6 1004tx laptop which have AMD Radeon HD 6470M
[15:26] <wiq> How can I get a driver for that?
[15:27] <diogenes_> wiq, it already has the driver
[15:27] <wiq> how can I check if it is running or not?
[15:27] <wiq> diogenes_, ^
[15:27] <diogenes_> wiq, sudo lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
[15:28] <wiq> diogenes_, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VYVj9fycJW/
[15:29] <wiq> it is showing it there
[15:29] <wiq> but i don't think it is actually working
[15:29] <wiq> any way to check its usage data?
[15:30] <diogenes_> wiq, run: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[15:30] <wiq> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
[15:30] <diogenes_> it uses intel now, because your system has two graphic cards
[15:30] <wiq> how can i set it to use AMD?
[15:30] <diogenes_> you need to read this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics
[15:31] <diogenes_> also this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#Hybrid_graphics.2FAMD_Dynamic_Switchable_Graphics
[15:33] <wiq> diogenes_, what will happen with this >echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch ?
[15:33] <wiq> will it turn intel one off?
[15:36] <diogenes_> wiq, I don't use amd that's why I gave u info
[16:07] <fayaz> hi, I have an nvidia bumblebee primus setup for steam. It was working until an abrupt shutdown. Now when I try to run steam with primusrun, it just runs the updater and quits abruptly. I can run it without primusrun and also with optirun, but the performance is not there. Also I am seeing some segfault errors on dmesg. Any clues on where I should go from here?
[17:11] <tatie> hello, i need to add an xmodmap command to enable scroll lock key to startup. how do i add it as a script?
[17:12] <tatie> i mean does it have to be added as a script? or can i somehow just make it run the command on start up?
[17:13] <tatie> sorry forgot to mentione Kubuntu 14.04 LTS
[21:19] <user|80491> In the past, I downloaded ver 16.04.4 and 15.04.4 and ran the OS's frm live dvd. In both cases the wi-fi kept disconnecting from the server. Is there a version where this problem has been solved? I know that this is not everyone's experience.
[21:23] <user|80491> It looks like everyone has left
[21:36] <valorie> huh, then they left
[21:57] <rmo> hello'
[22:17] <davidcitop> hello
[23:56] <nmrp3> hi - I seem to have lost all sound on my kubuntu install
[23:56] <nmrp3> there's no 'speaker' icon on my taskbar