[00:00] <sponix> jamiejackson: try this... backup users homedir, then remake the account blank, and just move the "data" back in, chances are the prefs have changed
[00:01] <jamiejackson> k will do
[00:04] <sponix> Still think xfce is just the best over all
[00:04] <sponix> Not just for low end systems, not just for this or for that... Over all xfce is just best period
[00:04] <sponix> Does what you need, and does it well
[00:05] <ere4si> sponix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avant_Window_Navigator
[00:08] <jamiejackson> actually, lots (maybe all pri
[00:09] <jamiejackson> ...all profiles might be messed up. might try an sys update
[00:22] <pulseezar> how can i play mp3 files in xubuntu
[00:22] <pulseezar> ?
[00:24] <litlebuda> pulseezar, with audacious for example
[00:26] <ere4si> !mp3 | pulseezar
[00:27] <pulseezar> cant find audacious inadd/remove
[00:31] <ere4si> pulseezar: you may need to enable the repositories
[00:31] <ere4si> !repos | pulseezar
[01:00] <sponix> know what pisses me off about xfce ?
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> sponix: it's speed?
[01:03] <sponix> .. Yeah, its speed, its stability, its ease of use, small footprint, the over all simplicity... Freaking hate that !
[01:04] <sponix> Beyond that, what really ticks me off is how people treat it as 2nd best... "If you have a low end system, you might try xfce"
[01:05] <sponix> Why not, if you want something that just works, and doesn't suck ass... xfce is where its at !
[01:17] <Odd-rationale> sponix: yeah, the ubuntu guys kind of adverttise xubuntu for low-end machines. but it works even better on high end ones too
[01:40] <standarshy> hi room
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> hello, standarshy
[01:40] <standarshy> Is this room open to n00b questions?
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> NO
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> jk
[01:41] <standarshy> alright
[01:41] <standarshy> So, i was wondering if xubuntu as compatible with programs as ubuntu.
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> yes.
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> you can run gnome apps and kde apps in xubuntu
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> even windows apps for that matter (using special technology called WINE)
[01:42] <standarshy> I am currently an opensuse user but am considering trying out a version of ubuntu, not sure which though
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: what are your specs?
[01:43] <standarshy> well, the comp I run opensuse on has a sempronrunning at 1.8 ghz, and 250mb of sd ram
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> Ubuntu would run just fine on that.
[01:43] <standarshy> oh, and an archiac tnt2 with 64 mb ram
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> puppy linux would run just fine on that
[01:44] <standarshy> I read that xubuntu is faster, is there any reason why I'd want ubuntu over xubuntu?
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: what DE are you using in Suse?
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: if you are a gnome lover, you could use ubuntu
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> xubuntu is faster, no doubt...
[01:45] <standarshy> I'm not sure what you mean by DE but I'm assuming you're asking version
[01:45] <standarshy> which is currently 10.2, which I'm giong to upgrade to 10.3
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> DE == Desktop Environment
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> Gnome or KDE
[01:46] <standarshy> I'm using kde, I've actually only ever tried distro's with kde
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: then you might like kubuntu.
[01:47] <standarshy> I was thinking about that one too actually
[01:47] <Odd-rationale> or download a live cd of them all and try them!
[01:47] <Odd-rationale> thankfully it is only a 700mb cd not a 4 gb dvd in suse ;)
[01:48] <standarshy> would a livecd really give me a good idea about what the OS is like? or is it totally dumbed down?
[01:48] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: really, only you can decide...
[01:48] <standarshy> Well, god could decide.
[01:49] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: oh, it gives you a perfect image of what the actually install looks like
[01:49] <standarshy> so, I guess you`re not god
[01:49] <standarshy> lol
[01:49] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: only, you are limited to the speed of your cd drive, which is much slower than you hdd.
[01:50] <Odd-rationale> kubuntu is my personal favorite version of ubuntu...
[01:51] <standarshy> sry
[01:51] <standarshy> suse or kde has been acting up lately
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: as i was saying, you are only limited to the speed of your cd drive, which is much slower than you hdd.
[01:52] <Odd-rationale> kubuntu is my personal favorite version of ubuntu...
[01:52] <standarshy> yea
[01:53] <standarshy> hmm
[01:54] <standarshy> I think I'll take your advice on trying out the livecd's
[01:54] <Odd-rationale> cool!
[01:54] <standarshy> are you familiar with yast though?
[01:54] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: no, never tried Suse...
[01:54] <standarshy> bummer
[01:55] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: I would advice getting the kde3 version of kubuntu. not the kubuntu-kde4 version.
[01:55] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: there is a opensuse chan...
[01:55] <standarshy> i didn't get an answer inthe suse chan
[01:55] <standarshy> I'll try the other
[01:56] <standarshy> oh wait, there isn't another
[02:04] <standarshy> Odd-rationale: where can i find the kubuntu livecd?
[02:06] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: try looking in the kubuntu home page: www.kubuntu.org
[02:07] <standarshy> Do you happen to knwo the difference between the hardy and remix versions?
[02:08] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: the remix version has kde4 instead of kde3. I'd go with the standard kde3 version.
[02:08] <standarshy> is the installatio cd also a livecd?
[02:08] <Odd-rationale> standarshy: yup!
[02:10] <standarshy> ok, sweet
[02:10] <standarshy> i guess it the same with the others
[02:10] <standarshy> I'll go download them now
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> yes. all ubuntu livecd are also install cd's
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> gtg
[02:10] <standarshy> thank you very much for your help
[02:10] <Odd-rationale> np
[02:38] <Roy_Mustang> good evening!!
[02:39] <Roy_Mustang> question: i'm looking for a light mp3 player for xubuntu, any suggestions?
[02:53] <Odd-rationale> hi cody-somerville!
[02:54] <cody-somerville> Hiya :)
[03:30] <andronicus> when i tried installing compiz, the title bars all disappeared, what do I do???
[03:31] <Odd-rationale> andronicus: did you install emerald?
[03:31] <andronicus> i believe so, but that would explain it if i didn't
[03:32] <Odd-rationale> try installing emerald, and in the window decoration plugin in the advance settings manager, put in emerald
[03:32] <andronicus> is the command line install any different in hardy from gutsy?
[03:32] <Odd-rationale> andronicus: you mean the alternative cd?
[03:32] <Odd-rationale> andronicus: not by much...
[03:33] <andronicus> no
[03:33] <andronicus> i installed by sudo apt-get install compiz-core compiz-plugins compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:33] <Odd-rationale> andronicus: oh that is completely the same
[03:34] <andronicus> i will try that, odd-rationale, and be back
[03:34] <Odd-rationale> ok
[04:12] <andronicus> can i get xubuntu to remember window positions on my second monitor?
[04:12] <Odd-rationale> hmm. i dunno about that...
[04:12] <Odd-rationale> don't remember...
[04:13] <andronicus> so far this has been my biggest gripe about ubuntu in all it's flavors and maybe linux in general, dual monitor support is subpar and window managers fail at MANAGING WINDOWS ARG
[04:32] <SnakeyeS> I forgot my username and password...what are my options?
[04:34] <SnakeyeS> Does xubuntu have any password reminder functionality?  I'm locked out.
[04:38] <Odd-rationale> SnakeyeS: you only option is to boot into recovery mode
[04:38] <Odd-rationale> and do "passwd <yourusername>
[04:38] <Odd-rationale> and change your password.
[05:04] <SnakeyeS> Yep...just now found this...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=375391
[05:05] <SnakeyeS> which is good because I think I've forgotten both
[05:05] <SnakeyeS> lol
[05:35] <nikolam> Hi. is there any way to use consoles (like pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2..) On Xubuntu?
[07:05] <Iskr> TheSheep, you know it didn't work
[07:05] <Iskr> even if i unchecked the update notifier
[07:06] <Iskr> from autostarted applications
[07:06] <Iskr> still the orange applet with the star is in the system tray
[07:20] <Chrysalis> anyone here using xfmedia?
[07:26] <Chrysalis> well, it handles large playlists like nothing else ive seen in linux, but when you load a forder/directory it also loads none audio files (album art etc) and crashes when it tries to play none music lol
[07:28] <Chrysalis> not sure how something like this could get overlooked
[08:11] <PeterCartwright> Anybody awake?
[08:49] <itai-michaelson> .
[09:27] <C|-|R15> anyone using LXDE able to help???
[09:32] <TheSheep> lxde?
[09:34] <C|-|R15> lightweight X desktop environment
[09:35] <C|-|R15> i installed it to use instead of xfce...but having problem with Logout
[09:35] <TheSheep> xubuntu uses xfce
[09:35] <TheSheep> have you tried #lxde?
[09:37] <C|-|R15> no one seems to be there....i know few people using xubuntu tried lxde to make it a little lighter
[09:37] <C|-|R15> and lxde is 'on-top' of xubuntu
[09:42] <C|-|R15> do you know how to logout / shutdown from terminal in xubuntu?
[09:47] <C|-|R15> anyone know how to logout and/or shut down using terminal?
[09:50] <daftpun1> sudo shutdown -h now
[09:53] <Chrysalis> easy, pull the power plug
[10:08] <zoredache> C|-|R15: one way to quickly kill a session is by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:17] <whileimhere> When I log into Xubuntu each time it asks me for a password to start NM manager. Is there a way to get it to remember this password and stop asking?
[11:46] <gabkdlly> whileimhere: did you try setting the password under Applications -> System -> Network ?
[13:04] <whileimhere> What is a good ogg ripper for the XFCE desktop?
[14:05] <kripz> is there suppose to be audio on error messages etc, on xubuntu?
[14:05] <TheSheep> no
[14:05] <kripz> ok thx
[14:50] <MiKa^> es
[15:36] <flotishtu>  iam using ktorrent. my upload on knemo graph is more than my downloads. why so? iam not uploading any thing. not even in ktorrent.?
[15:47] <douglas> Hey
[15:47] <flotishtu> TheSheep my case is solved. got to confiugure ipmasq
[15:47] <douglas> I have  a built in intel graphic media accelerator
[15:47] <douglas> How do I install the drivers for it
[15:50] <douglas> ah got it
[16:03] <pimp^air> hi
[16:04] <pimp^air> is there a way to change background-color for Terminal windows depending on which machine i'm currently logged in via ssh=
[16:04] <pimp^air> like "alias ssh='changecolor; ssh'?
[16:05] <wyz> hi
[16:09] <douglas> hm
[16:09] <douglas> Is it possible to change the bg color of xfce
[16:09] <douglas> er the menus on xfce
[16:26] <TheSheep> douglas: yes, with a gtk theme
[16:27] <douglas> hm
[16:27] <douglas> :s
[16:27] <douglas> too bad its not right click like gnome :s
[16:32]  * TheSheep doesn't mind
[16:32] <TheSheep> at least you cannot make it bright orange
[16:35] <douglas> i'm hacking xfce to look like mac osxc :p
[16:35] <douglas> osx*
[16:40] <TheSheep> douglas: there are several ready themes on xfcelook.org
[16:51] <douglas> :o
[16:55] <douglas> no good ones though
[16:55] <douglas> to make it look like mac osx
[16:55] <douglas> i gotta get a dock made
[17:03] <Akisora> Hopefully someone can help me with a question I have. Running Xubuntu 8.04 as Live CD...what username/pass do I use?
[17:04] <douglas> No idea, why use a livecd
[17:04] <douglas> arg
[17:04] <douglas> wb.
[17:04] <douglas> :s
[17:16] <Natureshadow> hello there
[17:16] <Natureshadow> I am running Xubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 3.0a (the current version from hardy/main)
[17:17] <Natureshadow> Now when BOINC consumed too much CPU time, I couldnt get Firefox and X.org in general to react, and restarted gdm and removed the firefox lockfiles
[17:17] <Natureshadow> Now I am experiencing that the statusbar does not show anything and the back- and forward navigation and the refresh button do not work anymore
[17:17] <Natureshadow> Any ideas?
[17:26] <Natureshadow> Oh yes, and I just notice that the Google search box lacks functionality
[17:29] <daftpun1> hi does anyone know wich package deals with keybord settings?
[17:30] <daftpun1> i believe i had to delete default configuration file and for some reason when i log in it ignores the settings for keyboard
[17:31] <daftpun1> I have to change it manually every time
[17:34] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: hold on a moment
[17:34] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Which config file do you edit?
[17:35] <daftpun1> i had to delete file named default
[17:36] <daftpun1> but I don't remember in which folder
[17:36] <Natureshadow> I think it might be a file in /etc/default ?
[17:36] <Natureshadow> Rather than a file named default
[17:36] <daftpun1> i think that was the one
[17:37] <daftpun1> i'll have a look if its there
[17:37] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: And then it would be /etc/default/locale , I guess
[17:37] <daftpun1> etc/default is missing
[17:38] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Or /etc/default/console-setup, depends on what you want to change about the keyboard
[17:38] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: You don't have a fodler called /etc/default ??????
[17:38] <daftpun1> ah no sorry i got it
[17:38] <daftpun1> but i deleted file named default
[17:39] <daftpun1> it was some config for something
[17:39] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: I dont know of a file named default that has to do with keyboard settings
[17:39] <daftpun1> because i could not login I messed with autologin
[17:39] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Is this about the console or X?
[17:39] <daftpun1> not sure now
[17:39] <daftpun1> I think X
[17:40] <daftpun1> sorry I am useless with linux this is my 3rd day with linux in my life
[17:40] <daftpun1> :D
[17:40] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: So why did you have to delete this file, whatever file it was?
[17:40] <daftpun1> And I tried to get rid of the default keyring password
[17:40] <daftpun1> and when I was loging in I just got a message authentication failed
[17:41] <Natureshadow> Umm ... keyring ... keyboard ... whats the matter now?
[17:41] <daftpun1> when I clicked ok another one like that appeared
[17:41] <daftpun1> so I found in some forum that to fix it ishould delete it
[17:41] <daftpun1> lol thats how it started
[17:41] <daftpun1> I managed to fix it
[17:42] <daftpun1> its just the keyboard is set as US when the system starts
[17:42] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Two questions ...
[17:42] <Natureshadow> 1. Are you having a problem with your keyboard or with a keyring?
[17:42] <Natureshadow> 2. Did you fix it or didn't you?
[17:43] <daftpun1> 1. keyboard is set as US when i boot up
[17:43] <daftpun1> 1. setting is set as UK keyboard
[17:43] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: 1. This is in /etc/default/locale for the console and in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for X
[17:43] <daftpun1> LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
[17:44] <daftpun1> this is in that locale so it should be fine
[17:44] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: This is not the keyboard setting for X11
[17:45] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor, lokk for a section called "InputDevice" with identifier "Generic keyboard" and change the option "XkbLayout" to en
[17:46] <daftpun1> found it
[17:46] <daftpun1> thank you
[17:46] <daftpun1> it was set to us
[17:46] <daftpun1> but now i can't save it
[17:46] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Are you root? Or did you use sudo?
[17:47] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: I am rebooting, hold on a minute ...
[17:47] <daftpun1> i just double clicked so no i have to do it through terminal
[17:47] <daftpun1> ok
[17:48] <daftpun1> problem is that I treat is as windows
[17:51] <Natureshadow> re
[17:51] <daftpun1> i ticked a box in setting use X configuration
[17:52] <daftpun1> so it should be now ok I changed that layout to en
[17:52] <daftpun1> and saved it
[17:52] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Then test it
[17:53] <daftpun1> ok I'll reboot then, just a sec.
[17:55] <Natureshadow> OK, after a reboot, my firefox runs like normal
[17:55] <daftpun1> re
[17:55] <Natureshadow> Seems to turn to Windows now ...
[17:56] <daftpun1> it's working fine
[17:56] <Natureshadow> wb daftpun1
[17:56] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: There certainly is another solution using the normal configuration tools, but I find things a lot easier on the console :)
[17:56] <daftpun1> the other questrion was how can I get rid of default keyring password safely?
[17:57] <daftpun1> ya they are just need to get used to it
[17:57] <daftpun1> I followed some procedures that I found on some forum and messed the whole system up
[17:57] <daftpun1> that I could not even log in
[17:58] <daftpun1> Natureshadow is there any way of getting rid of it
[17:58] <daftpun1> ?
[17:59] <daftpun1> network monitor applet is asking for it to login to wifi every time i log in
[17:59] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: I dont know about that, sorry
[17:59] <daftpun1> OK thanks very much
[17:59] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: np
[17:59] <daftpun1> I'll try to look on forums again :D
[18:00] <daftpun1> i'm sure it bugs more people
[18:00] <daftpun1> and are there any settings for keyring somewhere?
[18:01] <daftpun1> Natureshadow Do you know how to mount some ntfs drives on startup?
[18:02] <daftpun1> I got 2 other partitions with windows that I would like to mount every time I login
[18:02] <daftpun1> I know how to mount them manually
[18:28] <daftpun1> re
[18:30] <Natureshadow> daftpun1: Look at one of the entries in /etc/fstab, then copy and modify it according to your needs
[18:30] <Natureshadow> If you know how to mount your ntfs volume manually, then this should be quite easy
[18:41]  * Natureshadow is leaving for dinner
[18:41] <Natureshadow> bye!
[18:59] <bikerbaz> hi there, wondering if anyone could help, have recently switched to the xfce4 gui, all was good untill i enabled compisite, after that my desktop icons disapeared and the right click menu doesnt work anymore, only thing i can seem to get to work is alt f4 to allow me to log of or shutdown. Is there a config file somewhere that i can disable the compisite?
[19:30] <nikolam> hi
[19:30] <nikolam> how do i enable sound after coming back from hibernate?
[19:31] <nikolam> I am using Xubuntu 8.04 64-bit and after coming back from hibernation, sound does not work.
[19:33] <whileimhere> I would like to add thunar and a terminal to my taskbar as icons.
[19:33] <whileimhere> What is the cli for thunar?
[19:33] <whileimhere> and the same for the terminal
[19:34] <nikolam> whileimhere, xfce4-terminal
[19:37] <whileimhere> Okay got that working
[19:38] <nikolam> Thunar is Thunar
[19:38] <whileimhere> Got it.
[19:38] <whileimhere> :)
[19:39] <whileimhere> Now how do you add them to the desktop?
[19:43] <nikolam> right click>create launcher
[19:44] <whileimhere> Ahh no drag and drop then
[19:44] <nikolam> you can also use quicklauncher Item on Xfce panel to make application-buttons always at hand
[19:45] <nikolam> I found solution to missing sound after hibernate: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768441&highlight=sound+hibernate
[19:45] <nikolam> sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[19:46] <whileimhere> Hmmm. Is there a way to manipulate images via the Thunar file manager? Things like Rotate and stuff?
[19:49] <nikolam> you can use gqview to see images
[19:51] <nikolam> you also have gimp for editing pictures
[20:03] <wubrgamer> hey guys
[20:03] <wubrgamer> can i upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 using the regular Ubuntu cd instead of the xubuntu cd ?
[20:03] <whileimhere> How do I do a search and find in Thunar?
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> wubrgamer: upgrade Xubuntu? no you need the xubuntu 8.04 alternative cd or good internet connection
[20:06] <nikolam> wubrgamer, I suppose so. But why to change xubuntu? ;)
[20:07] <wubrgamer> would the xubutu desktop cd work if it is placed into the computer? or just the alt. cd?
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> wubrgamer: to upgrade, you need the alt cd. to install, either will do.
[20:13] <wubrgamer> wubrgamer:  thanks
[20:13] <wubrgamer> Odd-rationale:  is it better to do a fresh install?
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> I like fresh installs...
[20:13] <wubrgamer> Odd-rationale:  *high-five*
[20:15] <PeterCartwright> Is anyone here?
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> no
[20:15] <PeterCartwright> alright, cool
[20:59] <S0210> What should I do if I want to contribute to the Hungarian translation of xfce4-session?
[21:15] <Chrysalis> S0210: try #ubuntu-doc, they might know
[21:15] <totalwormage> S0210: you can add your translations to launchpad
[21:16] <Chrysalis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation
[21:18] <S0210> totalwormge: xfce2-session is not registered on launchpad. If you do it, I'll add my suggestion to it.
[21:18] <S0210> Chrysalis: thanks, I give a try
[21:19] <totalwormage> S0210: oh, sorry :]
[21:19] <Chrysalis> might not be relevant at all, was just browsing around myself since i think they could really need some help with in my language
[21:26] <Kir> hey guys
[21:26] <Kir> tell me please how to change keyboard layout?
[21:26] <Kir> and hotkeys for this action
[21:26] <Kir> can't find it...
[21:31] <Chrysalis> settings manager/keyboard?
[22:17] <magic_ninja> i got a serious problem, my proc fried and i replaced the proc and the power supply, still get the same problem, my hsf spins up for a second or two then won't work
[22:19] <wubrgamer> hey guys
[22:19] <wubrgamer> how do I add more than the default 2 workspaces in xkce? i like having 4 in gnome
[22:19] <wubrgamer> and would like 4 in xfce as well
[22:25] <chronitis> menu->settings->workspace settings
[22:25] <chronitis> number of workspaces is then an option on the first page
[22:27] <chronitis> (presumably by xkce you meant xfce rather than xkcd...)
[22:29] <Chrysalis> i like 3 myself, 2 is not enough and 4 is too much to manage
[22:30] <chronitis> there's probably a monty python joke there
[22:37] <biouser> xubuntu is still going strong, eh?
[22:37] <biouser> how is hardy?
[22:38] <biouser> I wish I didn't use all of my CDs messing around with the gnome counterpart
[23:02] <holyguyver_> Hey guys, it is me the 1998 Gateway guy. I just bought a HP Pavilion Slimline s3120n PC, how well will Linux play with that?
[23:38] <magic_ninja> holyguyver_, it probably will play fine
[23:38] <holyguyver_> Thank you :)
[23:59] <frojnd> I've just installed ekiga. I can't find any ekiga test call. Can someone who uses ekiga pvt me and tell me his or her ekigas acc name so I can test the quality ? pelase pvt me.


[14:47] <ShawnR> balloons: I don't think I ever ran into that one.  this is hilarious.  Goes to show that you can't take april fool's jokes too foolishly
[14:53] <ShawnR> so, my 12.04 install is having some issues upgrading bash (it really needs to be completely redone, but I "ain't got time fo dat" right now)
[14:54] <ShawnR> are there any drawbacks to changing shell from bash to something else in the meantime?
[14:54] <ShawnR> like, how dependant would scripts be to bash specifically?  sorry, I've not played much with changing shells, so I'm just kinda used to bash being on the system
[15:51] <Nothing_Much> ShawnR: I thought Bash was already fixed, dude
[15:55] <ShawnR> Nothing_Much: it is, but it won't update on my server
[15:55] <ShawnR> my server (home server) has teh issuez
[15:55] <ShawnR> something about mysql versions
[15:56] <ShawnR> so it won't even do a -f install


[22:41] <usr13> samineru: If you scroll down most of the way, you come to cooling devices such as "Laptop Cooling Stand" and "Laptop Cooling Pad" etc..
[22:41] <usr13> !bug | jirido
[22:42] <jirido> usr13: no i dont think its a bug in ubuntu
[22:42] <samineru> usr13 , I attempted to clean the fan once without removing it, I may go back and try to do a better job, as looking at documentation suggests that it's not that much harder. I currently have it on an improvised stand
[22:43] <z_-> Is latest desktop ubuntu good for 10 years old laptop (single core, 2gb ram) or is there a semi-light distro that would work better (not something drastic for 1990 computers)
[22:43] <samineru> *and replace the thermal grease as well
[22:43] <DanC_> root@ubuntu:~# vgchange -a y ; mount /dev/modwork/root /mnt ; grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[22:43] <DanC_> let's hope that worked...
[22:48] <xjkx> To get codecs, we still go for restricted extras ? (ubuntu 13.10, 64 bits) it said if I install that I gotta remove something, so I want to make sure
[22:49] <samineru> usr13, long term solution aside, my current coping mechanism of monitoring temperature via lm-sensors does not seem to be giving me information on the temperature causing thermal shutdown. Do you know of any alternative sources of that information?
[22:51] <SchrodingersScat> z_-: have you seen lubuntu and xubuntu?
[22:53] <anarkhos> is there a command for seeing the name of the loaded keymap?
[22:53] <usr13> samineru: No.  I've always just addressed the overheating problems as hardware issue(s).
[22:54] <usr13> samineru: If the PC is shutting down when it overheats, that's all I expect of the software.  From that point on, it's up to me to make it quit overehating.
[22:55] <z_-> SchrodingersScat: yes, which would you recommend? Lubuntu is more hardcore than Xubuntu right?
[22:56] <misternumberone> Ubuntu 13.10 AMD64 on Intel and Nvidia and Intel, nouveau driver as can't make proprietary function, sometimes, about every other time, when I turn on my computer and log in the screen stays black with just a cursor and I have to restart.
[22:57] <SchrodingersScat> z_-: I haven't used lubuntu, in xubuntu now, iirc lubuntu is the lightest.
[22:58] <misternumberone> It didn't always do this but it started after the last time I tried and failed to use the nvidia driver, I thought I had reset everything as for nouveau and can't find the problem.
[23:01] <StFS> Hi. I'm getting console (terminal) messages in Icelandic and while I understand the language it just feels weird. My $LANGUAGE is set to "en_US:is:en" but it should just be "en_US:en" but I can't for the life of me find out where this is being set to that value!?
[23:01] <usr13> misternumberone: Did you rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[23:01] <StFS> My /etc/default/locale contains LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
[23:01] <z_-> SchrodingersScat: Thanks. I'll live CD both and see what's up. Regardless, good choices ?
[23:01] <misternumberone> usr13: yes
[23:02] <usr13> misternumberone: what does lspci say about your video card?
[23:03] <usr13> misternumberone: I'd suggest uninstalling the nvidia packages that you have now and do it manually.
[23:03] <misternumberone> usr13: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[23:03] <misternumberone>  AND 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
[23:03] <usr13> misternumberone: 32bit or 64?
[23:04] <misternumberone> usr13: I have no proprietary nvidia packages
[23:04] <misternumberone> usr13: have uninstalled all
[23:04] <misternumberone> usr13: 64
[23:05] <usr13> misternumberone: Desktop?
[23:05] <SchrodingersScat> z_-: trying them out is the right path, I'm very happy with xubuntu though, it's my default now.
[23:06] <misternumberone> usr13: notebook, designed for nvidia optimus but don't want to use that, have been trying to ONLY use NVIDIA GPU but I can't seem to get anything except vanilla nouveau to work
[23:06] <Glitchmanbeta> Is there a 32bit version of Ubuntu Server 13.10 available for download?
[23:07] <usr13> misternumberone: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/72250
[23:08] <misternumberone> usr13: are you sure? I tried this before and it did not work for me, also I have read that using driver straight from nvidia not in package is bad
[23:08] <a_> hello
[23:08] <usr13> misternumberone: It's up to you
[23:08] <xjkx> Alt+mouse click moves the window, how do I turn it off
[23:08] <Glitchmanbeta> Is there a 32 bit version of Ubuntu Server available for download?
[23:09] <misternumberone> usr13: ok
[23:10] <zacktu> When I run apt-get update I get a message about duplicate sources with a suggestion that I may want to run apt-get update.  These appear to be system sources.  I don't like messages like these.  Can I clean up this situation?
[23:11] <ikonia> zacktu: remove duplicate sources
[23:11] <ikonia> it's that simple
[23:12] <Glitchmanbeta> Is there a 32 bit version of Ubuntu 13.10 Server I can download?
[23:12] <ikonia> should be
[23:12] <ikonia> nope, just 64bit
[23:12] <Glitchmanbeta> I went to the download page and there seems to be no way to select.
[23:13] <usr13> Glitchmanbeta: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server  #Choose 32-bit
[23:13] <ikonia> usr13: not there for 13.10
[23:13] <samineru> usr13 Thanks for your time and help, have a good day
[23:14] <usr13> Glitchmanbeta: ubuntu-12.04.4-server-i386.iso
[23:14] <Glitchmanbeta> usr13:I can only use 12.04?
[23:14] <usr13> ikonia: Glitchmanbeta Oh, ok 13.10  I don't know.    I'm using 64-bit precise, so should I remove the i386 files?
[23:16] <ikonia> zacktu: they are not software sources, they are directories
[23:17] <tellone> linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.11.0-15-generic.efi.signed
[23:17] <ikonia> tellone: it only installs that if you're on an efi system
[23:18] <zacktu> ikonia: i thought that the ellipses indicated sort of a path -- anyway there are directories with almost identical names -- one with i386 and one with amd64 --
[23:18] <tellone> since which version, grub2 should be able to load an none efi stubed
[23:19] <ikonia> tellone: any
[23:29] <sinan_> hi
[23:34] <nickyazinizz> hey
[23:34] <usr13> Zooklubba: I think what you are looking at are 32-bit and 64-bit libraries.
[23:34] <usr13> Zooklubba: Sorry, that was for zacktu


[07:28] <hrw> http://tygrysek.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/dualscreen1.jpg - is it normal that I cannot set right monitor to start at 1080,0 when left one is rotated?
[09:35] <tjaalton> so, if -intel is built with --enable-sna, is it the default then?
[09:35] <tjaalton> since that's what we've inherited from experimental
[09:37] <tjaalton> doesn't look like that
[09:41] <jcristau> iirc no
[09:42] <jcristau> --enable-sna just means you can set accelmethod
[09:42] <tjaalton> yeah, still needs the config option
[09:52] <hrw> can someone answer my xrandr related question?
[09:54] <tjaalton> hrw: no idea
[09:55] <tjaalton> don't see why it shouldn't work
[10:00] <hrw> played directly with xrandr command - have to report bug in kde now
[10:02] <tjaalton> ah
[10:17] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: http://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2012/XDC2012AbstractMaartenLankhorst doesn't exist yet, fix it! :)
[10:32] <ricotz> tseliot, hi, what is the deal with nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental?
[10:34] <tjaalton> should be removed, and renamed to something else
[10:34] <tjaalton> don't know the details
[10:35] <ricotz> i see, there is still nvidia-settings-experimental
[10:36] <tjaalton> ah
[10:36] <tjaalton> just a mistake I think
[10:37] <ricotz> ok
[10:37] <ricotz> tjaalton, i hope libwacom isnt blocked yet :)
[10:38] <ricotz> it isn't really an argument but g-s-d/g-c-c 3.5.92 requires it (they won't be in quantal)
[10:43] <tjaalton> ricotz: mind filing a ffe for it?-)
[10:43] <tjaalton> it's already in git since early july
[10:44] <tjaalton> didrocks promised to prepare the other uploads if it's passed
[10:44] <ricotz> tjaalton, can you push it experimental, so it can be synced?
[10:44] <tjaalton> no
[10:44] <tjaalton> oh wait
[10:44] <tjaalton> I can..
[10:45] <ricotz> which other uploads?
[10:45] <tjaalton> g-s-d & g-c-c
[10:45] <tjaalton> soname bump, they need to be rebuilt
[10:45] <ricotz> oh
[10:45] <tjaalton> anyway, if it needs to go via -proposed a sync won't do
[10:46] <ricotz> there was no soname bump
[10:46] <tjaalton> "Bump soname, no additions this cycle but we should've done this in libwacom"
[10:46] <ricotz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libwacom.so
[10:46] <ricotz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libwacom.so.2
[10:46] <ricotz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libwacom.so.2.1.0
[10:46] <tjaalton> ..0.5"
[10:46] <ricotz> this is 0.6 ^
[10:47] <tjaalton> +LIBWACOM_LT_VERSION=3:0:1
[10:47] <ricotz> hmm, i took the 0.6 tarball from sf
[10:47] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/2651595/+listing-archive-extra
[10:48] <ricotz> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/files/libwacom/
[10:51] <ricotz> tjaalton, dont mistake this, the age got bumped too : C+1:0:A+1
[10:52] <ricotz> "- If interfaces have been changed or added, but binary compatibility has been preserved, change to C+1:0:A+1"
[10:54] <tjaalton> yeah
[10:54] <tjaalton> so no rebuilds needed after all
[10:54] <ricotz> so please push it to exp
[10:55] <tjaalton> what's the point?
[10:56] <tjaalton> is gnome 3.6 in experimental?
[10:56] <ricotz> i think syncing it would be nicer
[10:56] <tjaalton> doesn't matter
[10:56] <ricotz> ok
[10:57] <tjaalton> would need another upload to get it in unstable
[10:57] <tjaalton> but don't dare to push it there
[10:58] <ricotz> yeah, that is why i am suggesting exp, but do as you want :)
[10:58] <tjaalton> if it was useful in exp then yes, but don't think it would be
[11:00] <ricotz> alright
[11:21] <tseliot> ricotz: we're gonna package experimental releases of the Nvidia driver. We won't be using the -experimental flavour like that though. We'll use something like nvidia-experimental-403, etc.
[11:23] <ricotz> tseliot, i see, but it looks broken, there is no transition for e.g. nvidia-settings
[11:23] <tseliot> ricotz: wasn't that package removed?
[11:23] <ricotz> meaning you can install both nvidia-settings and nvidia-settings-experimental
[11:23] <ricotz> not yet
[11:23] <tseliot> ricotz: ok, we'll do it soon
[11:23] <ricotz> i pinged infinity in -dev
[11:26] <ricotz> but i guess he is ignoring non-canonical ;)
[11:45] <tjaalton> he's also asleep
[11:52] <ricotz> i see
[15:52] <mlankhorst> mupuf: i will probably go by car after all
[15:53] <mlankhorst> faster from here
[15:55] <tjaalton> wrong channel? :)
[17:44] <agrestringere> Got a quick question something seems strange with my Nvidia drivers X-SWAT 304.43...Nvidia Settings lists my card as having 256mb but when I run 'nvidia-smi --query --display=memory' it only reports 127mb Total, 67mb used, 60mb free, I don't get it...


[13:13] <NeoTheThird[m]> There's a dead link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/GetHelp
[13:13] <NeoTheThird[m]> The Developers telegram link is invalid
[17:01] <yang> With Ubuntu Tablet being out of sale, is there any other tablet known to be functional with ubuntu touch ?
[20:05] <Acou_Bass> yang: nexus 7? not sure if thatd appeal to you as its a bit old :P


[15:53] <desrt> hi.  is it possible to get the core from this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/955937
[15:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 955937 in indicator-appmenu "hud-service crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:53] <desrt> or are there certain situations under which the core is not uploaded and i'm out of luck?
[15:56] <jtaylor> the core is removed after retracing
[15:57] <desrt> can i get access to it again?
[15:58] <jtaylor> I don't think so
[15:59] <desrt> i guess i can understand the motivation behind that... but it seems like a bad policy to prevent even priviledged users from accessing the core
[15:59] <desrt> there's a heck of a lot more useful information in there than just a backtrace
[16:45] <ia> Hello. Does someone from ubuntu engineers have time for trying to reproduce bug #95799 ? I will be very appreciate for this.
[16:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 95799 in python2.5 "[apport] apport-checkreports crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 90308)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95799
[16:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 90308 in python2.5 "[apport] apport-checkreports crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90308
[16:46] <ia> oh, sorry, wrong no - bug #957999
[16:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 957999 in linux "No hibernation after reallocation of root and swap partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957999
[19:28] <hggdh> desrt: one apport backoffice processing has deleted the coredump, there is no way to get to it anymore
[19:30] <hggdh> desrt: there may be more data you might wish to collect on these bugs; it may be possible to _always_ collect them via the apport hook for the packages
[19:31] <hggdh> desrt: and core dumps are by definition restricted data, due to the amount of potentially private data in them
[21:17] <bkerensa> hell hggdh
[21:22] <hggdh> bkerensa: hell to you too ;-)
[21:22]  * hggdh thinks it would have been hellO, but just in case :-)
[21:22] <bkerensa> hello*
[21:22] <hggdh> LOL
[21:23] <hggdh> bkerensa: I will look at your application Real Soon Now, just busy, and this is weekend, and Saturday, I should be resting


[00:42] <Pendulum> mhall119: don't worry, I'm not taking over from him ;-)
[01:09] <mhall119> Pendulum: that's what he said, about 1 week before he took it over from us
[01:10] <mhall119> Pendulum: don't under-estimate your abilities
[01:10] <mhall119> and, more importantly, don't udner-estimate how badly nigelb is going to want to get away from maintaining Summit
[01:10] <Pendulum> mhall119: I have no energy for any new leadership positions any time soon. I have learned how to say no over time :P
[01:11] <mhall119> Heh, nigelb didn't have a chance to say no, because we never asked ;)
[01:11] <mhall119> during UDS, cjohnston and I were like "by the way, you're the new maintainer of summit.  Good luck"
[01:11] <Pendulum> ouch
[01:11] <mhall119> we only hurt the ones we love
[01:12] <mhall119> because everyone else it smart enough to stay out of arm's reach
[01:12]  * Pendulum starts backing away
[01:12] <mhall119> lol
[01:25] <pleia2> you forgot the part where nigelb was like "ok!"
[01:25] <pleia2> I think he took on about 4 years of work this cycle :)
[02:50] <mhall119> i don't recall him saying "ok"
[02:50] <mhall119> I do recall him saying "no! no! no way! no!" on a couple of occasions though
[03:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: how who would be the best way to do that?
[03:46] <mhall119> best way to do what?
[03:46] <cjohnston>  mhall119> cjohnston: might be worth it to just ask the sysadmins first if it would be easier to get a new server for those sites we're upgrading
[03:47] <mhall119> ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[05:05] <YoBoY>   /msg -bip backlog 1
[05:06] <YoBoY> oups
[05:06] <YoBoY> good morning
[05:08] <mhall119> already? oy
[05:11] <YoBoY> yes 6am...  need a big cup of cofee
[05:12] <nigelb> mhall119: We could ask the sysadmins if they're okay with virtualenv.
[05:13] <nigelb> mhall119: That would give us a way to isolate the different setups using different versions of django and south
[05:15] <nigelb> pleia2: You know me too well :D
[05:17] <mhall119> nigelb: you ask, I'm late for bed
[05:17] <nigelb> mhall119: ok, I'll ask in -sysadmin how their feels towards virtualenv are :-)
[05:26] <nigelb> mhall119: IS doesn't like virtualenv.
[20:10] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:10] <cjohnston> yay
[20:10]  * newz2000 tries to remember how to de-op
[20:10] <cjohnston> unop #ubuntu-website
[20:10] <cjohnston> iirc
[20:10] <newz2000> unop
[20:10] <cjohnston> in a chanserv msg
[20:11] <cjohnston> you rock.. mhall119 nigelb et al  /topic
[20:12] <nigelb> w00t
[20:12]  * nigelb hugs newz2000
[20:23] <cjohnston> newz2000: nhandler is going to try to help us with the channel
[20:41] <nhandler> cjohnston, newz2000: You guys should be all set. Feel free to remove some flags from UbuntuIrcCouncil if you want, but leaving them will make it easier for us to help you out in the future if necessary
[20:41] <cjohnston> ty nhandler
[20:42] <newz2000> thanks nhandler
[20:44] <nhandler> You are welcome


[09:05] <Tiber> Hello
[09:06] <Tiber> i need help with xrdp
[09:07] <Tiber> when i try to connect it says "connection problem giving up some problem"
[09:09] <Tiber> not sure is it related to nvidia-340 drivers??


[15:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> strogon14_: Bad news: when launching jack_mixer: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/TKp5trspFy/
[15:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> strogon14_: Latest build log is here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/525391473/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-amd64.jack-mixer_15-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> (might be a build error on my part, stand by...)
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nope, still doesn't work.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, so the problem is that Debain & Ubuntu don't like anything in site-packages, it needs to be in usr/lib/python3.x.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'll change the package accordingly.


[01:24] <adam_g> jamespage, http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/grizzly/python-eventlet-0.12.1-0ubuntu1.1~cloud0/
[01:24] <adam_g> zul, ^
[01:25] <zul> adam_g: +1
[01:25] <adam_g> jamespage, also, i guess i broke the script last time i fixed it :) https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/cloud-archive-utils/better_version_query/+merge/181184
[01:25] <adam_g> zul, thanks
[01:44] <xibalba> ah very nice to find this
[01:44] <xibalba> trying my hand w/LVM for the first time, gernerally have avoided it
[01:44] <xibalba> i hot-added a 2nd disk to my system, but i'm not seeing /dev/sdb
[01:45] <sarnold> xibalba: check dmesg | tail, the kernel might pick a different name..
[01:45] <xibalba> ah i grepped for sdb
[01:45] <xibalba> checking
[01:46] <xibalba> doesnt appear to have shown up yet
[01:46] <xibalba> virtual machine btw, not that it makes much difference
[01:46] <xibalba> it should show up as a /dev/sd* though
[01:46] <xibalba> right?
[01:47] <sarnold> xibalba: maybe /dev/virtio*? I'm not positive there..
[01:47] <xibalba> hmm i think that'd be for KVM, though I will check. This is a vmware guest
[01:48] <xibalba> rebooting to see if it pulls it in, though it shouldn't require a reboot
[01:48] <xibalba> yeah now it shows, drats
[01:48] <xibalba> so i want to expand my / volume onto /dev/sdb
[01:49] <xibalba> k i need to part it first
[01:54] <josePhoenix> PostgreSQL 9.1 on 12.04 insists on installing with default encoding LATIN1. What magic locale incantation do I need?
[01:54] <josePhoenix> I've done update-locale en_US.UTF-8
[01:54] <josePhoenix> or LANG=en_US.UTF-8 rather
[01:58] <xibalba> so when adding a 2nd disk to my LVM
[01:58] <xibalba> do i need to make another logical volume for it?
[01:59] <xibalba> how do i instruct lvcreate to use the whole disk
[02:01] <sarnold> josePhoenix: this thread may be helpful: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-June/037216.html
[02:01] <josePhoenix> thanks
[02:03] <josePhoenix> sarnold: the thing is, I'm not seeing template1 with SQL_ASCII... or UTF-8
[02:03] <josePhoenix> I'm not sure where it's picking up LATIN1
[02:04] <josePhoenix> /etc/default/locale and /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local both reflect my choice of en_US.UTF-8 so I'm flummoxed :\
[02:05] <sarnold> josePhoenix: if you can apt-get purge postgresql and then re-install, that _might_ be a help. At least, that's how I'm reading this...
[02:05] <sarnold> josePhoenix: it looks like it uses whatever locale was in place for the process that starts the install
[02:06] <sarnold> josePhoenix: or, apparently, set the locale per-database in postgres once it's running?
[02:06] <josePhoenix> I have done the purge and reinstall thing a couple of times after trying different ways to set the locale for dpkg
[02:06] <josePhoenix> or apt-get rather
[02:07] <josePhoenix> looks like I can create a UTF-8 db off template0?
[02:07] <sarnold> josePhoenix: ooh, how about /etc/postgresql/version/cluster/environment  ?
[02:07] <josePhoenix> doesn't exist on here
[02:07] <xibalba> any LVM experts here?
[02:07] <josePhoenix> ah, sorry
[02:08] <josePhoenix> no, I think template0/template1 are created at the same time that file is written :\
[02:08] <sarnold> josePhoenix: hey! comment #12: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-common/+bug/969462
[02:09] <sarnold> josePhoenix: turns out nearly everything pitti said in that mail thread is incorrect now. sorry.
[02:09] <josePhoenix> haha
[02:09] <josePhoenix> no worrie
[02:09] <josePhoenix> s
[02:10] <sarnold> josePhoenix: so, I guess check /etc/environment and make sure that doesn't override /etc/default/locale, or the other way around..
[02:10] <xibalba> how do i grow the LVM after doing a lvextend ubuntu /dev/ubuntu/root
[02:10] <josePhoenix> oy vey
[02:11] <sarnold> josePhoenix: oh. that's unstable. debian unstable. wonder if that's made it to ubuntu yet? sheesh, maybe it's time for me to be done for the night. :)
[02:11] <josePhoenix> well thanks for helping me look into this
[02:11] <josePhoenix> it looks like some kind of voodoo no matter how you slice it :\
[02:12] <xibalba> i used resize2fs /dev/ubuntu/root 8G
[02:12] <xibalba> but its telling me on-line resizing required
[02:12] <josePhoenix> Maybe I need to actually reboot for locale changes to take effect?
[02:12] <josePhoenix> That would not work if I'm trying to do this in a vagrant provisioning script :\
[02:12] <sarnold> josePhoenix: that'd be unfortunate but possible :(
[02:13] <josePhoenix> well, worth checking at least
[02:13] <sarnold> josePhoenix: you could probably set the locale in a preseed file
[02:13] <sarnold> xibalba: did you resizefs before or after growing the physical space available?
[02:13] <xibalba> i extended it to a 2nd disk
[02:13] <josePhoenix> I'm not even sure how I'd do that :)
[02:13] <xibalba> i just figured out one piece
[02:13] <xibalba> did a lvresize -L +8GB /dev/ubuntu/root
[02:14] <xibalba> was resized successfully, now need to grow the FS
[02:14] <josePhoenix> If it'd require making a new box, I might as well override the locale on this db and call it a day
[02:14] <sarnold> xibalba: aha; you can't resize filesystems that are mounted read-write, only read-only, and ..   (As of this
[02:17] <sarnold>        writing, the Linux 2.6 kernel supports on-line resize for
[02:17] <sarnold>        filesystems mounted using ext3 and ext4.).
[02:17] <sarnold> xibalba: looks like i was wrong. :D
[02:17] <xibalba> hmm, but how is the grand question
[02:18] <xibalba> resize2fs -p /dev/ubuntu/root 8G isn't working for me
[02:18] <xibalba> just says on-line resizing required, can't find that mentnioned in the man page
[02:18] <xibalba> mentioned*
[02:18] <xibalba> running 3.2.0-29
[02:19]  * xibalba hmmms loudly
[02:19] <sarnold> xibalba: how about just "resize2fs /dev/ubuntu/root" ?
[02:20] <xibalba> oh
[02:20] <xibalba> well how aobut that
[02:20] <xibalba> thanks buddy
[02:20]  * xibalba sends sarnold a virtual high five
[02:20] <sarnold> woo!
[02:21] <sarnold> xibalba: darn. now I wish I'd suggested trying without the 8G and then again without the -p.
[02:21] <sarnold> which one was it? now we'll never know..
[02:30] <xibalba> without the -p for whatever reason
[02:30] <xibalba> this is going to be sweet, not i can through this into a bash script w/vmware customization
[02:30] <xibalba> and call the PREINIT portion of the customization, and resize the disks for my dingleberry devs on the fly
[02:30] <xibalba> w/out their bitching and moaning about having to do anything sysadmin related
[02:31] <xibalba> time for food, bbl
[02:48] <josePhoenix> sarnold: well, it wasn't pretty, but I just overrode every locale setting I could when creating the db and that seems fine
[02:48] <josePhoenix> thanks for your help :)
[04:23] <xibalba> any gotchas or issues to be aware of when using LVM?
[04:25] <xibalba> !lvm
[05:39] <Muny> Does anyone here know how I could proxy connections from a server with no firewall to a server with a firewall (unable to portforward)?
[08:10] <jamespage> smb, hey - I have an openvswitch module built from upstream trunk with some fixes for 3.11 broadley working
[08:10] <jamespage> but I'm getting a kernel oops when de-registering devices....
[08:11] <smb> Would it be worth opening a bug for it. Usually its simpler to have all output and info together
[08:11] <jamespage> smb, I'll append to the existing bug report
[08:12] <jamespage> smb, my plan is to fix this in upstream trunk then backport the required commits for our package
[08:13] <smb> jamespage, Ok, and remind me of its number. Right, Oh and maybe a place to have your copy of upstream trunk to look at.
[08:13] <jamespage> smb, sure
[08:13] <jamespage> smb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1213879
[08:45] <jamespage> smb, I have an inkling as to where the problem is
[08:47] <smb> jamespage, Well crashing on removal usually is some structures or resources used after free
[08:47] <jamespage> smb, yeah
[08:47] <jamespage> smb, its a WARN_ON
[08:47] <jamespage> rather than BUG_ON
[08:48] <smb> Oh, ok not as drastic as I thought then
[08:48] <jamespage> smb, ovs uses its own workqueue implementation
[08:48] <jamespage> smb, I'm wondering whether is something racey going on between the ovs workqueue and the main system_wq
[08:49] <smb> jamespage, hm, i'd need to look closer at the code and the error/warning
[08:50] <smb> Of course I find that any level of my machinery may get updated before proceeding
[09:17] <webwurst> hi! i have an ubuntu-cloud-image configured and running fine with qemu via cloud-localds. but booting lasts quite long when i don't provide the second disk with the cloud-init data. do i have to provide this disk all the time?
[09:24] <ivoks> webwurst: cloud images usually look for cloud-init (userdata) data
[09:24] <ivoks> webwurst: if they can't find it, they keep trying really hard for 2 minutes
[09:24] <ivoks> then they give up
[09:26] <webwurst> ivoks: is it possible to change this behavior after i have configured my image?
[09:26] <ivoks> well, you can edit the image and remove cloud-init upstart jobs
[09:27] <ivoks> but, what's the point of using cloud image then?
[09:27] <ivoks> how would you loing into that machine then?
[09:28] <ivoks> log in
[09:28]  * ivoks needs coffee
[09:41] <webwurst> ivoks: it seems i can log in via ssh without cloud-init-userdata. after i started once with the data provided..
[09:42] <xkernel> whats the most secure IRC application server?
[09:44] <ivoks> webwurst: oh, so you initially start with cloud-init, and then want to disable it?
[09:44] <webwurst> ivoks: i just want to have stand-alone virtual ubuntu image with easy and fast setup. cloud-init seemed to be fine for that. will try to disable cloud-init upstart and see if it works for me
[09:45] <webwurst> ivoks: yes :)
[09:45] <ivoks> webwurst: in that case, after first boot, just disable cloud-init upstart jobs
[09:56] <jamespage> smb, OK - so I tried my patch against the 1.12 branch and I don't see that kernel warning when running the test with 3.11
[09:57] <jamespage> smb, hmm- might consider a version jump to support 3.11 - its late but 1.12 is much closer to supporting this that 1.10
[09:58] <smb> jamespage, *sigh* and I still wait on the update of my VM... But agreed if 1.12 is actually already released upstream, it might be worthwhile to jump there
[09:58] <jamespage> smb, yeah - gonna ask about status of 1.12
[09:59] <jamespage> it might just be a dev branch
[10:21] <smb> jamespage, Yes as there seems not to be a tag of same name, but neither there would be for a 1.11
[10:21] <jamespage> smb, no tags - branch-1.12
[10:22] <jamespage> smb, I queired upstream anyway
[10:22] <smb> jamespage, Yes, that was what I tried to say. :) Sounds good
[10:22] <jamespage> smb, I'll prepare a package update to 1.12 on the assumption that even if we go with a snapshot, its a better place than we are right now with 1.10 on 3.11 kernel
[10:22] <jamespage> thats OK
[10:23] <smb> Yeah, at least this does not seem to cause warning/issues in your testing.
[11:05] <jamespage> smb, lp:~james-page/ubuntu/saucy/openvswitch/1.12-snapshot if you want to try it
[11:07] <smb> jamespage, I can look at compile and load/unload. Not making much use of it normally for what I do
[11:13] <jamespage> smb, the package contains dep-8 tests that exercise the module - see debian/test/openflow
[11:13] <zul> jamespage:  erm adt failures?
[11:13] <smb> jamespage, Ah ok, will do
[11:14] <jamespage> zul, I just saw a heat one - importing yaml? wtf
[11:14] <zul> *boggle*
[11:17] <jamespage> zul,
[11:17] <jamespage>     import simplejson as json
[11:17] <jamespage> ValueError: bad marshal data (unknown type code)
[11:17] <jamespage> that sounds like a fundamental problem with simplejson to me
[11:17] <jamespage> all on amd64
[11:17] <zul> ummmm..
[11:36] <jamespage> ivoks - whats up with the horizon packaging?
[11:36] <jamespage> context - bug 1210253
[12:24] <jamespage> rbasak, hallyn_, zul, roaksoax, adam_g: if any of you have time I'd appreciate it if you could test bug 1213021
[12:25] <jamespage> its in precise-proposed awaiting verification
[12:25] <jamespage> I'm using it on one of my machines OK
[12:25] <zul> uvirtbot: i would if i had the hardware :(
[12:25] <zul> jamespage:  i would if i had the hardware :(
[12:25] <jamespage> zul, cloud instance?
[12:26] <zul> jamespage:  good point
[12:29] <smb> jamespage, Ok, so fwiw the 1.12 snapshot compiles, succeeds in compiling the dkms package, and runs those tests with the 1.12 userspace installed
[12:30] <jamespage> smb, w00t!
[12:30] <jamespage> smb, OK _ I'm just waiting from a statement back from upstream on 1.12 status and I'll upload...
[12:30] <smb> ack
[12:30] <jamespage> smb, the package still has two patches cherry picked from trunk
[12:30] <jamespage> well one from trunk and the other is my 3.11 support patch  (not yet accepted!)
[12:33] <smb> jamespage, I see. Ah yeah that one has the weird move of a hunk of code removed. The rest kinda looked like expected on a glance
[12:36] <smb> jamespage, Hm, that comment about dom0 networking... Wonder whether that is always or only if allowing the xen scripts to configure bridges (which is one of those things deprecated but probably still possible)
[12:48] <ivoks> jamespage: some files missing; zul is already on top of it
[14:02] <disposable> i've been compiling my kernels for 12.04 since the original 3.2.0 one. However, as soon as I go above 3.8, i.e. 3.9 in this case, I only get black screen after grub (unless i manually specify vgamode). what changed after 3.8 kernel that i have to do this?
[14:02] <disposable> same story for 3.10
[14:12] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/horizon/1210253/+merge/181311
[14:17] <jamespage> zul, +1'ed but still " 163. By<EMAIL_ADDRESS>7 minutes ago "
[14:18] <jamespage> disposable, you know that Ubuntu supports the 3.5 and 3.8 kernels from quantal and raring on 12.04 as well right?
[14:18] <zul> jamespage:  crappers ill fix that after
[14:18] <jamespage> zul, fix that before you merge it
[14:18] <jamespage> otherwise the commit will have wonky info
[14:19] <zul> jamespage: k
[14:21] <disposable> jamespage: yes, but the patches i need are only for 3.7 and 3.9.
[14:22] <jamespage> disposable, are they bugs or features?
[14:32] <jamespage> adam_g, hey - the ncc redux is installing the -agent packages for quantum plugin
[14:32] <jamespage> it just need to install the -plugin package like it does for NVP
[14:33] <jamespage> adam_g, also fwiw I think we should deprecate and ignore the quantum network configuration stuff
[14:33] <jamespage> its awkward
[14:33] <jamespage> maybe that should be policy
[14:42] <disposable> jamespage: it doesn't matter (it's linux-vserver), i just need to understand why booting up 3.9 kernel with 'gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode' gives me black screen and works without it
[14:43] <jamespage> disposable, try in #ubuntu-kernel
[14:43] <disposable> jamespage: thanks, i didn't know such channel existed
[14:47] <brendan-> anyone know the differences between libreadline6-dev & libreadline-gplv2-dev?
[14:47] <brendan-> where did the gplv2 package come from?
[15:00] <roaksoax> rbasak: howdy!
[15:00] <roaksoax> rbasak: could you please verify this sru bug #1172966
[15:01] <rbasak> roaksoax: I don't have access to a highbank maas installation any more
[15:02] <jamespage> zul, bah - samba snuck in a new bd from universe on the last merge I did
[15:02] <roaksoax> rbasak: ack! thanks
[15:03] <zul> jamespage:  oh?
[15:03] <jamespage> libtevent-dev
[15:03] <rbasak> roaksoax: I was going to ask matsubara but I can't find him. He used to manage the MAAS QA lab - not sure if he still does.
[15:03] <roaksoax> rbasak: he does, but I think he is on vacation or something
[15:03] <rbasak> Ah OK
[15:04] <zul> jamespage:  gah..
[15:09] <zul> jamespage:  want me to do a MIR
[15:09] <jamespage> zul, samba includes an embedded version
[15:09] <jamespage> just looking at why that is no longer enough
[15:09] <zul> jamespage:  cool ok
[15:16] <Daviey> jcastro: "Ubuntu Server Guide - LTS only ( Community )" might struggle for attendance with the clashes?
[15:17] <jamespage> zul, yeah - might want to mir that
[15:18] <Daviey> jcastro: If you could swap it with, say - Flavors Quality Assurance ( Community ).. I imagine you'll get better coverage
[15:18] <zul> jamespage:  cool ill do it this afternoon
[15:18] <jcastro> Daviey: sure, what day is it?
[15:18] <jamespage> zul, thanks v much
[15:19] <jamespage> zul, should be trivial as its a breakout of embedded code to a sep library
[15:19] <jcastro> Daviey: ok I see it
[15:19] <jcastro> I'll ask to swap it
[15:19] <jamespage> so its technically already in main
[15:21] <jcastro> Daviey: Done!
[15:21] <Daviey> zul, jamespage, adam_g, We have a "Openstack steps for saucy" and a "openstack charm for saucy".. I think it made sense to have both for the last vUDS, but do you think there is enough content for both at this one?
[15:22] <zul> Daviey:  im sure there is
[15:22] <Daviey> Well, currently we are oversubscribed by one session.. If there is one session that can be cropped, that would be helpful.. Not not necessary if we use the 3rd room.
[15:23] <jamespage> Daviey, I think we could squash into a single session
[15:24] <Daviey> Yeah, that is what i was thinking..
[15:32] <zul> i though vuds was wed thur friday
[16:12] <zul> hallyn_:  ping
[16:22]  * hallyn_ lays low
[16:23] <hallyn_> zul: .
[16:24] <zul> hallyn_:  can you run lxc-create with the template?
[16:24] <hallyn_> what do you mean?
[16:25] <zul> well say i have a config already and a fstab in my /var/lib/lxc/<container> and if i run lxc-create -n <container>  will it work?
[16:25] <hallyn_> zul: you're wanting to run *just* the template then?
[16:26] <zul> hallyn_:  right since i already have an image
[16:26] <zul> mounted via loopback
[16:27] <hallyn_> zul: the template is the thing that creates the rootfs (and fills in some config details like devices.allow).  If you alredy have both a config and a rootfs...  why do you need to lxc-create at all?
[16:27] <zul> thats what i was thinking
[16:27] <hallyn_> zul: is your config a full config?
[16:28] <zul> hallyn_:  yeah its going to be
[16:28] <hallyn_> then i guess just use what you've got :)
[16:31] <zul> i intend to :)
[16:31] <hallyn_> then what was your question?
[16:32] <hallyn_> fg
[16:52] <zul> hallyn_:  you already answered it
[16:52] <hallyn_> zul: ok :)
[17:34] <tgunr> I'm trying to install ubunto server 12.10 onto a VM, got it up and running but having network issues, can only ping from vm->host and host->vm and am forced to use the vmware workstation console. My thought is if I can see the VM I could login to it via ssh, alas sshd is not installed on the server. I now have the iso mounted at /mnt/cdrom but how does one install a package like sshd from the iso image?
[17:35] <smoser> hallyn_, "I'm not sure.  It might be worth it for users.  But it's starting to sound like enough code that it might not be justified"
[17:35] <smoser> i'm willing to accept that.
[17:36] <smoser> rbasak's plan is to wrap lxc invocation, so we can put alias like things there.
[17:36] <smoser> tgunr, sshd is not on the server cdrom
[17:36] <smoser> 'apt-get install sshd'
[17:37] <tgunr> can't do that, no network connection , see above
[17:37] <tgunr> only from vm->host, host->vm
[17:37] <smoser> get the sshd package to the host
[17:37] <smoser> and scp it from the guest
[17:37] <smoser> or fix your networking :)
[17:38] <tgunr> I'm trying to, but working thru this workstation console is painful
[17:38] <tgunr> can;t scp if no network
[17:39] <tgunr> rather, can;t scp if no sshd on VM
[17:39] <smoser> you said you can get to host
[17:39] <tgunr> yes
[17:39] <smoser> log into vm via console
[17:39] <smoser> scp user@host:/tmp/*.deb .
[17:39] <smoser> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[17:40]  * tgunr DOH!
[17:40]  * tgunr is an idiot, thinking inside the box
[17:40] <smoser> fwiw, your network is probably broken at the host level
[17:40] <smoser> you've problably configured host only networking or something.
[17:41] <tgunr> yeah, but where, ip forwarding on, but i see no new config on interfaces like i supposed would be there
[17:41] <smoser> its a vmware config option
[17:41] <smoser> i haven't touched that in years
[17:41] <smoser> but there is a config.
[17:41] <tgunr> hmm, ok, will look, thanks for tip
[17:42] <tgunr> one would think that would kind of be up front as everything needs a network these days
[17:43] <smoser> http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_net_configurations_hostonly.html
[17:43] <smoser> thats what i think you have ienabled.
[18:00] <hallyn_> smoser: the longer answer is, i'm going to work on converting all commands to api right now and then re-vsiit
[18:46] <plars> jamespage: around?
[18:46] <plars> jamespage: I'm seeing what looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1125408 still on 12.04.3
[18:46] <plars> jamespage: except now the size is not fine, it's 741M after install, and the modules are eating 158M
[18:50] <plars> jamespage: ah, wait, I'm remembering now... because there's no -virtual, that's why the module install footprint was still so large
[18:56] <plars> jamespage: it does kind of raise the question of whether or not it makes sense to even have a minimal virtual install now though...
[20:55] <TJ-> dnssec-tools for 13.10 seems to be broken when signing with NSEC3; donuts reports bad NSEC data
[20:55] <TJ-> Any DNSSEC experts around to help point me in the direction to debug/fix it?
[21:27] <tgunr> finally got network up on 12.10 server, now trying to install sshd so i can get out of console on workstation but alas, http://polymicro.clarify-it.com/d/q29maj  how do you install sshd?e
[21:29] <sarnold> tgunr: does apt-get update run without error?
[21:29] <tgunr> trying
[21:30] <tgunr> YES! Thanks!
[21:32] <sarnold> woo :)
[21:32] <tgunr> i really need a nap
[21:44] <TJ-> 13.10 server is looking quite stable for me so far; aside from this glitch with the DNSSEC tools
[21:54]  * Patrickdk never cared for dnssec tools
[22:25] <sidnei> smoser, hallyn_: seems there is a bug in daily lxc (maybe the ubuntu-cloud template?) that causes the container to end up with hostname 'ubuntu' when using with juju local provider?
[22:59] <koolhead17> hello all
[23:09] <hallyn_> sidnei: meaning 'lxc.utsname' in the container config says 'ubuntu' ?
[23:18] <sidnei> hallyn_: nope, that's correct: lxc.utsname = sidnei-local-machine-8, but /etc/hostname ended up as ubuntu inside the container
[23:19] <hallyn_> sidnei: can you put up a pastebin showing the basic commands juju does that i could use to reproduce?
[23:19] <hallyn_> (setting up a saucy container with the ppa in which to test)
[23:21] <sidnei> hallyn_: i suspect it is not doing anything to set up the hostname, let me see if i find the cloud-init config
[23:22] <hallyn_> dinner, bbl
[23:29] <sidnei> hallyn_: it's doing lxc-create -n ... -t ubuntu-cloud -f config-file -- --hostid -r precise --userdata (with https://pastebin.canonical.com/96192/)
[23:31] <xibalba> i have a virtual machine, started with 8GB disk (testing, so dont ask me why so small)
[23:32] <xibalba> i expanded it to 16GB, trying resize2fs now. doesn't seem to be expanding
[23:32] <xibalba> did resize2fs /dev/sda1 8G
[23:32] <sarnold> xibalba: hey, I thought you got that working last night?
[23:33] <xibalba> i did with LVM
[23:33] <xibalba> trying it w/out LVM now
[23:33] <xibalba> =D
[23:33] <sarnold> ah!


[06:19] <didrocks> good morning
[06:26] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:29] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:29] <oSoMoN> hi duflu, salut didrocks
[06:29] <oSoMoN> duflu, you had a good week-end?
[06:29] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:30] <duflu> oSoMoN, it was kind of rushed. I hadn't seen so many people in a while. In the end it was shorter than a normal weekend. Weirdly. You?
[06:31] <oSoMoN> yeah, mine was just the right duration :) lots of outdoors activities, very relaxing
[06:32] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN
[06:36] <duflu> Hmm, a full year without a BlueZ release
[06:37] <duflu> I think that's unusual
[06:37] <Trevinho> good morning Europe (from Europe as well :))!
[06:38] <didrocks> hey european Trevinho!
[06:38] <Trevinho> hi didrocks :)
[06:38] <duflu> Hi Trevinho.  I can swap and change as it suits me :)
[07:18] <seb128> Trevinho, make it back nicely to good old Europe?
[07:18] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson!
[07:18] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:18] <didrocks> hello seb128
[07:18] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:18] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:18] <oSoMoN> Extremadura, nice
[07:18] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, with nice 3+ hrs of late arrival... Which hopefully implies free flights :P
[07:18] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128
[07:18] <Trevinho> t
[07:18] <seb128> Trevinho, :)
[07:18] <seb128> what happened?
[07:19] <Trevinho> nothing, just late arrival of the flight in Cancun, so we had to wait for the plane
[07:19] <seb128> "waiting for another plane" is what happened then :)
[07:21] <Trevinho> I meant "nothing" as "nothing in our side, or problematic" let's say.
[07:22] <seb128> that's good :)
[07:22] <seb128> let's see in what tz you mentally landed now :p
[07:23] <Trevinho> looks like I got in sync already, but let's see: 9
[07:48] <willcooke> morning all
[07:48] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[07:49] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:53] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[07:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:05] <Laney> moin
[08:06] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:06] <duflu> Lo Laney
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:08] <seb128> duflu, Trevinho, bug #1831514 seems to suggest that for that nvidia user the recent Disco gnome-shell SRU is making the login screen fail to start, the bug lacks details on what the error could be atm though, I asked for details, but might be worth keeping an eye for such regression reports
[08:09] <duflu> seb128, sounds like one of a couple of old gdm bugs. Laney just fixed the big one!
[08:09] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, ok keeping track of it
[08:10] <seb128> duflu, weird that it only happens after installing the gnome-shell SRU though?
[08:10] <duflu> seb128, it's a random timing thing. Let me link it to the right bug(s)
[08:10] <duflu> This has been going on for years
[08:11] <seb128> k
[08:14] <oSoMoN> hi Laney
[08:15] <Laney> moin didrocks duflu seb128 Trevinho oSoMoN
[08:15] <Laney> sry, just noticed that my summary didn't send yesterday so had to re write it quickly /o\
[08:15] <seb128> Laney got out of discourse :)
[08:15] <seb128> urg
[08:15] <Laney> the page had loaded with an error
[08:15] <Laney> oh well
[08:15] <seb128> it didn't even save it? last time I fail to submit when I clicked edit he still had the draft, which I found cool
[08:16] <oSoMoN> yeah, it happened to me a couple of times too, the draft is being saved in local storage, that's neat
[08:16] <oSoMoN> except when it doesn't work, I guess
[08:17] <seb128> yeah
[08:18] <duflu> It also remembers replies to conversations you drafted long ago, and forgot about
[08:18] <seb128> Laney, well done on getting that gdm fix merged upstream, that is an annoying bug on it's way to resolution :)
[08:18] <Laney> oh dunno, maybe it would have been if I was using the same computer
[08:18] <Laney> seb128: thx
[08:18] <seb128> Laney, oh and thx for doing the nautilus update for me in Debian, I sort of put it on hold because totem was not updated but I see that j_bicha did that update
[08:19] <Laney> looks like it didn't make it to the archive
[08:20] <Laney> so that one was easy ;-)
[08:21] <Laney> willcooke: I just searched a bit and it looks like you can configure discourse to be able to start new threads by email
[08:21] <Laney> F Y I !
[08:22] <willcooke> I was looking at that same idea
[08:23] <willcooke> Not sure if I can format it, but going to test
[08:23] <Laney> presumably it's treated as markdown on the web side
[08:24] <Laney> anyway good to see the ol' script in use
[08:25] <seb128> brb, moving back home, I took the laptop for my morning coffee today and stayed there for longer :)
[08:26] <duflu> I feel Laney's work in gdm3 and my work in mutter should somehow be linked with jibel's work to make the Nvidia experience better. Because we're all working on that goal
[08:28]  * duflu finds the Trello card and hacks it
[08:31] <Laney> 😎
[08:34] <duflu> There it is https://trello.com/c/6CeAcFWQ
[08:57] <seb128> duflu, Trevinho, so the gnome-shell SRU got blocked on what e.u.c considers as regression (no report pre-3.32.1)
[08:57] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d1fe1bf113ed5e4e2c08f3369df65b32f13ceee7
[08:57] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7a0ffc1caa388737d61043fd4a0ee45677b63d71
[08:57] <duflu> That's new
[08:58] <seb128> the Disco SRU
[08:58] <seb128> I saw you also flagged https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1295
[08:58] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1295 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell sigtraps "Function allocate terminated with uncatchable exception"" [Opened]
[08:59] <seb128> which might be the same one at the second url
[09:01] <seb128> duflu, Trevinho, sounds like an item that can be monthly targetted, I created https://trello.com/c/lIqDaxLd/164-resolved-the-gnome-shell-3321-sru-regressions
[09:01] <seb128> sorry
[09:01] <seb128> https://trello.com/c/lIqDaxLd/164-resolve-the-gnome-shell-3321-sru-regressions
[09:21] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, will bug #1831144 land in disco 'automatically' due to the GNOME exception, or may it be worth to prepare a SRU?
[09:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, the exception doesn't make commits land into the distribution, we need someone to either package a new version when it's available or to distro patch the fix
[09:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, there is already a SRU in disco-proposed, that fix doesn't seem urgent, I would just queue it in git for the next upload
[09:39] <tkamppeter> cyphermox, thanks.
[09:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, then I'll queue it in git. I'm motivated to do that after having spent some time with it.
[09:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Btw, is a separate commit required for eoan due to the SRU principles, or is it sufficient that it's about to make it to upstream and with that eoan?
[09:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, should be enough that it's commited upstream and will be in the next update
[09:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks! (It's not committed upstream yet; will await the commit.)
[09:48] <seb128> k
[11:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: The g-c-c ubuntu/disco git does not include the changes in disco-proposed.
[12:33] <k_alam> seb128: Hi, good afternoon
[12:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, hum, let me look if I forgot to push
[12:39] <seb128> hey k_alam
[12:40] <k_alam> seb128: Can you review few of mr for unity ?
[12:40] <seb128> I can try, give the urls here? others might be able to help with that as well
[12:42] <k_alam> Thanks...but first is is possible not to unset XDG_SEAT & XDG_SESSION_ID in dbus ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1831491
[12:42] <seb128> do you know how/where they get used?
[12:42] <seb128> unset
[12:43] <k_alam> yes, in indicator-session...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1640409
[12:43] <k_alam> dbus-x11 installs /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95dbus_update-activation-env which unsets those env variables.
[12:46] <k_alam> it is being used here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-session/trunk.16.10/view/head:/src/backend-dbus/users.c#L374
[12:48] <seb128> do you know when/why the unset have been added to dbus-x11?
[12:49] <k_alam> no, not really, may be after 16.10....for x11 compatibility reasons
[12:53] <seb128> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61301#c28 has some context
[12:54] <seb128> the way to go is probably to fix the indicator code, not to add back variables that are buggy/don't make sense
[12:55] <k_alam> Well, XDG_SEAT_PATH is still there so we could extract seat and check...
[12:58] <seb128> or ID_SEAT?
[13:00] <k_alam> ID_SEAT is not there for me...
[13:01] <seb128> I was reading https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
[13:01] <seb128> anyway, something for you to figure out, I don't think we want to patch dbus to remove those unset
[13:02] <seb128> in practice I don't know if many unity users are on multiseat you could probably drop that code that no-one would notice
[13:03] <k_alam> Alright...I will make the change in indicator-session
[13:04] <k_alam> the other merge request : https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-appmenu/ignore-desktop/+merge/366990
[13:05] <k_alam> it require prerequisite branch https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-appmenu/fix-build-disco/+merge/361403
[13:13] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ it's bamf thing, maybe you could have a look?
[13:30] <seb128> k, it's meeting time!
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-06-04
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun  4 13:30:31 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <seb128> Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <oSoMoN> \o
[13:31] <seb128> k, let's get started!
[13:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> bug #1825297
[13:33] <seb128> that has been raised as an issue by the oem team for enablement of laptop with touch screen
[13:33] <Trevinho> I can have a look
[13:33] <seb128> I vote +1 for accepting it since it's an oem request and it makes sense imho
[13:33] <tseliot> o/
[13:33] <seb128> hey tseliot :)
[13:33] <tseliot> hey
[13:33] <seb128> Trevinho, thx!
[13:33] <Trevinho> might be not easy fix in x11 though
[13:33] <Laney> why do we vote on oem requests if there is that policy?
[13:34] <seb128> what policy?
[13:34] <Laney> that oem requests get a +1
[13:34] <seb128> I don't know about that rule
[13:34] <seb128> I would feel fine rejecting a request that looks buggy/stupid
[13:34] <Laney> ok, then I don't understand what "since it's an oem request" means
[13:34] <seb128> well, I like the please OEM
[13:34] <seb128> so I would lean toward accepting it if we can
[13:34] <seb128> and the fix looks like an useful thing to work on
[13:35] <seb128> so it's +1 from me
[13:35] <didrocks> I think it's a logical request, +1
[13:35] <seb128> k, good, accepting and assigning to Marco then :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> yeah, +1
[13:35] <seb128> next
[13:36] <seb128> bug #1825299
[13:36] <seb128> similar situation, I vote +1 for the same reasons
[13:36] <Trevinho> Not sure is possible at all for xorg
[13:37] <Trevinho> Might be, but not in all the cases.
[13:37] <seb128> yeah, I was also reading the upstream comments
[13:37] <seb128> a bit tricky
[13:37] <Trevinho> I have ideas though
[13:37] <didrocks> same, +1, but sounds hard
[13:37] <seb128> Trevinho, I assign to you for a look, if we judge it not doable we can wontfix with an application, ok?
[13:38] <Trevinho> We should have #nicetofix list ;-)
[13:38] <Trevinho> Ok
[13:39] <seb128> we have, it's open bugs on launchpad :p
[13:39] <seb128> or assigned but not milestoned
[13:39] <seb128> k, that's it for the incoming list
[13:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:40] <seb128> that has the same japense era than previous week, I pinged c_yphermox about it but didn't get a reply, I will try that again
[13:41] <seb128> that's it
[13:41] <seb128> #topic rls-cc-bugs
[13:41] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:41] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:41] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:42] <seb128> same japenese one
[13:42] <seb128> bug #1754671
[13:42] <seb128> I vote to wontfix it for cosmic n-m at this point, we are not going to SRU n-m changes on cosmic now imho
[13:43] <oSoMoN> that makes sense
[13:44] <seb128> doing that
[13:44] <seb128> also reassigning to bionic line to tkamppeter
[13:44] <oSoMoN> thanks
[13:44] <seb128> bug #1828102
[13:45] <seb128> looks like it's already being handled by tkamppeter
[13:45] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ he might need a sponsor?
[13:45] <seb128> assigning to him
[13:45] <kenvandine> ok
[13:45] <seb128> thx
[13:45] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:46] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:47] <seb128> same bugs as other series
[13:47] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:47] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:47] <seb128> the 2 gnome-shell/osk ones already discussed
[13:47] <seb128> bug #1830022
[13:48] <seb128> that's assigned and being handled but doesn't seem rls material to me
[13:48] <seb128> I vote -1
[13:49] <didrocks> unsure about that one, Till will probably will have a better opinion
[13:50] <seb128> bug #1831021
[13:50] <seb128> same, sounds like it's worth looking at but not important enough to be rls material
[13:50] <seb128> it's impact pretty uncommon setups
[13:50] <seb128> impacting
[13:52] <seb128> k, no other comment so doing that for those
[13:52] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:52] <seb128> those are all assigned
[13:52] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:52] <Laney> Nothing.
[13:52] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:53] <seb128> k
[13:54] <seb128> well n-m regressed because the autopkgtests relied on the deprecated lib that got removed from eoan (sorry for overlooking that bit when I removed them)
[13:54] <seb128> kenvandine, tkamppeter, you took from cyphermox and are looking at finishing the tests update?
[13:54] <Laney> It's being worked on. That's why I said "Nothing.".
[13:55] <seb128> right, I wanted to check that tkamppeter indeed took over from Mathieu since I didn't see a response from him on the topic yesterday
[13:55] <seb128> anyway, doesn't need to be in the meeting I guess
[13:55] <Laney> 04/06 10:39:14 <tkamppeter> cyphermox, thanks.
[13:55] <seb128> thx
[13:55] <cyphermox> AFAIK it's something with the callback from the gir; when trying to activate a connection
[13:55] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:55] <seb128> other topics?
[13:55] <seb128> cyphermox, k
[13:55] <seb128> tkamppeter, ^
[13:55] <Laney> Those OSK bugs weren't targetted properly.
[13:56] <seb128> yeah, launchpad timeouted when I tried on the first one so I kept them to try again after the meeting
[13:56] <seb128> if it works now/you did it, thx :)
[13:56] <Laney> I did not
[13:57] <seb128> k, well I will once the meeting is over (if launchpad stop being sad), thx for pointing it out
[13:57] <Laney> Right.
[13:58] <seb128> k
[13:58] <seb128> anything else?
[13:58] <seb128> 30 seconds to raise your hand
[13:58] <kenvandine> notta :)
[13:59] <seb128> k, let's wrap then
[13:59] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[13:59] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  4 13:59:10 2019 UTC.
[13:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-06-04-13.30.moin.txt
[13:59] <oSoMoN> thanks
[13:59] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[13:59] <Trevinho> OSK bugs being assigned
[14:02] <didrocks> thx
[14:12] <Laney> k_alam: You should be using systemd APIs to get those things if you need them.
[14:13] <Laney> They can't be set in the D-Bus environment because that is shared and not scoped to the session.
[14:16] <k_alam> Laney: I think we don't really need check for session id, pam-systemd sets it and then we call logind dbus which gets the same thing as /proc/self/sessionid for active session
[14:17] <Laney> That'd be a systemd API, yes
[14:22] <k_alam> Alright I will make the changes....Thanks.
[14:22] <Laney> 👍
[15:59] <seb128> GunnarHj, I've pushed the g-c-c/disco vcs btw
[17:36] <oSoMoN> good night everyone
[19:01] <willcooke> night all
[19:58] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great! Then you can expect a MP as soon as Robert has merged upstream.
[19:59] <seb128> GunnarHj, k
[22:30] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, is there an easy way to strip the pkg-config / include files out of the snap-store build?


[00:31] <Witiko92> Hello there. How do you create the .rhosts file correctly? Filling it with hosts and setting the umask to 644 doesn't do the trick - as though the daemon ignored the file.
[03:19] <earthling_> I'm able to use a 12.04 live usb to boot and start using desktop then after a few minutes of normal activity it gets glitchy and hangs
[03:19] <earthling_> what could be causing this?
[03:24] <earthling_> I have AMD 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+  1.9 gb memory  ,  NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE
[03:27] <holstein> the nvidia
[03:28] <holstein> try the other driver, or the vesa driver to test
[03:28] <holstein> !ati | earthling_
[03:29] <earthling_> I was trying to do the nomodeset option but I can't get into where I edit the line
[03:30] <earthling_> I tried tab and e
[03:31] <earthling_> Is System->Administration->Hardware Drivers in 12.04 ?
[03:33] <earthling_> i'll look in system settings
[03:35] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:36] <holstein> i would just specify the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf
[03:38] <earthling_> I don't see that on the live usb
[03:38] <earthling_> xorg.conf
[03:38] <holstein> earthling_: yeah, nomodeset from a live CD
[03:39] <holstein> tap shift when booting, right after the bios, and you'll see F6 at the bottom
[03:40] <earthling_> I'll try that ,thanks
[04:01] <earthling__> holstein, I got to system setting additional drivers, but it says I ran out of disk space, I set a persistance file of 220 mb during usb creation, not sure how it could of got used up
[04:01] <earthling__> I haven't manually installed anything
[04:03] <earthling__> I used pendrivelinux usb installer
[04:53] <earthling__> recreating usb with 3.7 gb persisent file
[05:24] <duanedesign> earthling__: /3
[05:24] <duanedesign> oops sorry
[06:15] <duanedesign> http://bit.uz/d0qw my header files are not rediresting as they should. i do no see any out put to html ptevioud to require
[12:37] <cow1970> hi - any help installing ubuntu onto 2007 imac?
[12:38] <cow1970> have tried all day. broken int dvd drive but working ext one. no luck with several iso's. no luck using bootable usb stick.
[12:39] <cow1970> no luck with refit. missing operating system or no bootable device error.
[12:40] <duanedesign> cow1970: this thread is not too old http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1872961
[12:41] <duanedesign> cow....hmm
[13:58] <oibacha> hey, does anyone know how to configure openVPN error messages with the syslog? I need to send all failed connection attempts to my boss
[14:34] <isiah> odd, when nfs dies my vm kills itself
[14:35] <isiah> i wonder if it is because it is mounted. Some sorta equivalent to a massive and sudden hard drive failure
[16:49] <linuxearth> hey please tell me which is the best distro to learn linux for the person who is very new in linux and don't know abcd of it....? please guide accordingly
[16:50] <linuxearth>  learning the linux
[16:54] <wilee-nilee> linuxearth, Ubuntu is as easy as any I suppose, I think the answer to you r question is one of personal choice really you have to just dive in like the rest of us. ;)
[16:55] <linuxearth> ok great but what in fact should i install so that i can learn the basic of linux
[16:58] <wilee-nilee> linuxearth, I can't say if you should install again these are personal choices.
[16:59] <linuxearth> so what according to you is best,,,,,i mean your personal choice?
[17:01] <wilee-nilee> linuxearth, I happened to have started with ubuntu but have tried many distros. I am just familiar with ubuntu so I use it.
[17:02] <linuxearth> okk, as you tried many distros, so what untill now is the best according to you?
[17:02] <wilee-nilee> linuxearth, I have no opinion of what is best.
[17:03] <linuxearth> what is best means which works perfectly...
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> linuxearth, get a live version of a distro try it out if you like it install, I have to go to the store good luck. ;)
[17:07] <linuxearth> ok
[17:07] <linuxearth> bye
[17:07] <linuxearth> best of luck man
[17:42] <isiah> dead room is dead
[17:53] <rostam> HI all, I still have not resolve this issue please help I get failure when for this  command: pbuilder-dist precise create. here is the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652865   I have used different server with the same result. Please help. thanks
[18:48] <stahlie> Hello..  I've been using Ubuntu 12.04   for a while...  this morning I ran into a problem with space issue when I tried to upgrade.. after rebooting... my ubuntu on Asus K50I laptop doesn't recognize my wireless modem anymore... how do I resolve it?
[19:20] <rostam> Hi which IRC group is best to ask question about pbuilder?
[19:28] <Unit193> rostam: I would think #ubuntu-packaging, but could be a little slow so you may have to wait a while for an answer.
[19:29] <rostam> Unit193: thanks
[20:40] <isiah> never ever ever buy a synology nas


[00:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww marked [pull request #2842](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2842): (Sophie's) reimplementation of idle_inhibit_unstable_v1 as ready for review
[02:16] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww drafted [pull request #2843](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2843): Fix BasicIdleHub behavior
[02:16] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[02:16] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > I've noticed a number of edge cases that cause `BasicIdleHub` to misbehave. Tests are written, implementation to come.
[02:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2844](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2844): Migrate BasicIdleHub to use Synchronised<T>
[02:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[02:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Makes maintaining thread safety easier. Should not have an impact on behavior.
[03:40] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [issue #2845](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2845): Mir fails and/or deadlocks when terminated during startup... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4f02eeb2aee5fb300de9236dc6f24734d0991ce2>)