[14:28] <_MMA_> macvr: Just email me the SVGs direct. I'll put 'em in now.
[14:29] <macvr> _MMA_: i'm labelling them... thats why, i havent uploaded them
[14:29] <_MMA_> Sure sure. I'm saying just to save you thr trouble of uploading them.
[14:29] <macvr> ok
[14:29] <_MMA_> PNGs are fine for show if you want to.
[14:30] <macvr> _MMA_: also you might sleep well , >  I'v done them is all sizes ;p
[14:30] <_MMA_> \m/
[14:30] <macvr> _MMA_:  anything corrections you want or all is fine??
[14:31] <_MMA_> This is fine for now. We can test them in the set. See what people think. Then adjust from there.
[14:31] <macvr> _MMA_: ok... what about the notify-osd icons matching these??
[14:32] <_MMA_> Still gotta look into that but generally it sounds like a good idea.
[14:32] <michote> _MMA_: could you explain what you mean with "brown tones" in the wiki on face-monkey?
[14:33] <macvr> k...
[14:33] <_MMA_> michote: Sure. It still feels a bit orange to me. I'd rather it look like a brown monkey. :)
[14:34] <michote> _MMA_: ok, I'll try to find a less orange brown tone ;)
[14:34] <_MMA_> michote: cool
[14:35] <_MMA_> macvr: I /think/ one of the things that might get mentioned is dropping the shadows below say, 24px.
[14:35] <_MMA_> We'll see.
[14:37] <macvr> _MMA_: I tried that... but the white from the background comes through... I'v used the shadow just to minimize the white in between the curves
[14:37] <macvr> _MMA_: 16px doesnt have it
[14:37] <_MMA_> I'm talking about the drop shadow.
[14:37] <_MMA_> On the ground.
[14:37] <macvr> oh ... i like that :(
[14:38] <_MMA_> Sure sure. But, it's a detail that will get lost at smaller sizes and with some themes.
[14:38] <macvr> _MMA_: i got the idea from gnome colors... it looks good with a shadow.
[14:38] <_MMA_> I'm not sayin' we nix it now. Just might be something to look at.
[14:38] <macvr> _MMA_: as you always say " we cant think of all use cases " ;p
[14:39] <macvr> default panel is the light grey, right?
[14:39] <_MMA_> macvr: Ok. Ill say that with *all* dark themes the detail will get lost. ;)
[14:39] <macvr> _MMA_: if you keep chatting me up , you wont get the icons quickly
[14:40] <_MMA_> I got all day. ;)
[14:40] <macvr> well i dont! ;p
[14:40] <macvr> if i dont do it now , i'd have to do it later...
[14:41] <_MMA_> macvr: One thing I and many have learned is when to *not* respond. :)
[14:41] <macvr> _MMA_: well, i wouldnt ... just that its rare to catch hold of YOU !
[14:42] <_MMA_> No no. I'm on most nights for a few hours. (but there's a time diff there I guess) and every weekend.
[14:43] <_MMA_> You kids and all yer free time. ;)
[14:45] <macvr> ^ that just makes me feel younger :)
[14:47]  * _MMA_ will be 33 in 5 days.
[14:48] <SiDi> _MMA_: so your birthday is on 33rd of June ?
[14:48]  * SiDi hides
[14:49]  * _MMA_ notes his comment on learning when not to respond. (which in itself, is a response) :P
[14:50]  * SiDi steals _MMA_'s note and makes a paper plane out of it
[14:50]  * SiDi climbs on the plane and launches it towards an open window
[14:50] <_MMA_> :P
[14:50]  * SiDi falls from the 3rd floor and dies.
[14:51] <_MMA_> Man. That was fun for a sec then got dark. :)
[14:51] <SiDi> [A few hours later] Uggggh
[14:51] <SiDi> Braiiiiiiiiiin
[15:03] <thorwil> good to see everything is as usual with SiDi
[15:06] <SiDi> thorwil: at least im not getting worse ? :D
[15:06] <macvr> _MMA_: just sent you the nm icons...
[15:06] <SiDi> and us ? :(
[15:07] <macvr> SiDi: nothing for you ;p
[15:07] <macvr> thorwil: did you check out the nm icons?
[15:09] <thorwil> macvr: not until now
[15:09] <macvr> when you are free, :)
[15:09] <thorwil> macvr: the curves are a bit strange. how about using circle segments?
[15:10] <macvr> it doesnt get displayed , properly... just keeps getting pixelated :(
[15:10] <thorwil> macvr: the X on mm-signal-00 is too loud and is already supposed to have a different meaning elsewhere
[15:11] <macvr> thorwil: dont worry about that X , it will *never* be used
[15:11] <thorwil> macvr: if simply empty segments are not enough for 00, try a single slash /
[15:12] <thorwil> macvr: the shadow on the floor makes no sense
[15:12] <_MMA_> hehe. Told ya. :P
[15:12] <macvr> _MMA_: since if the wireless signal is lost , the Ethernet disconnected icon , is displayed.. so no use working much on the 00 icon
[15:12] <macvr> oops!
[15:12] <macvr> thorwil: ^
[15:13] <macvr> thorwil: i saw that shadow used in the gnome colors icon set, it looks nice when used in light panels... in dark panels it no issue
[15:14] <thorwil> macvr: i would go for a flat-on-the-ground shadow like for document-x icons
[15:14] <thorwil> or none at all
[15:15] <thorwil> macvr: if you really want that floating above the ground look, you have to add depth to the segments
[15:15] <macvr> I'm not sure which icon is document-x
[15:16] <thorwil> macvr: i mean any one with a paper icon
[15:16] <_MMA_> *Breathe network manager icons now in trunk (rev.88) and the packaging branch (rev.57).
[15:16]  * _MMA_ has some wiki work to do.
[15:16] <macvr> \o/
[15:18] <macvr> thorwil: why does an icon need depth when we are assuming light from above? wouldnt the shadow be below?
[15:18] <macvr> just like for the folders?
[15:18] <_MMA_> macvr: Thing is, it's not really an object.
[15:18] <thorwil> macvr: you need substance to cast shadow
[15:18] <_MMA_> It's a representation.
[15:18] <macvr> ah
[15:21] <_MMA_> macvr: So while I will let things like this through based on an artistic want, I knew someone (thorwil mostly :P) would call you out on it. ;)
[15:21] <macvr> _MMA_: thorwil: maybe it needs to be like this > http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-signal-25.png
[15:21] <macvr> thats the gnome colors one
[15:22] <_MMA_> macvr: Really, the opinion is the same. It's not really something of substance to cast a shadow.
[15:23] <macvr> ... i dont mind if it doesnt have a shadow... but its just looks better on the panel, thats why i added it... could remove it though , shall i edit it?
[15:23] <_MMA_> But I might go either way on this. Let's see what if any outcry there will be.
[15:24] <macvr> ok we'll wait...
[15:24] <_MMA_> Ouch.  I'll get the /Icons pages updated today.
[15:26]  * macvr corrects before _MMA_ reacts
[19:21] <macvr> andreasn: can you take a look at this> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387834
[19:21] <macvr> I'm not sure of the icon label
[19:26] <andreasn> what label? the one saying "Remove From Panel"?
[19:27] <andreasn> in gnome-icon-theme trunk, we recently changed the delete icon to a red sign looking like this (/)
[19:28] <andreasn> so changing the icon from gtk-remove to gtk-delete in the panel would get the desired effect once we get a release of that out
[19:35] <andreasn> and gtk-delete might be a better choice in this situation, as the gtk-remove links to a icon called list-remove
[19:35] <andreasn> and nothing is getting removed from a list in this case
[19:39] <andreasn> oh, if you delete a launcher from the desktop, it's called "move to trash", but if you do it in the panel it's called "remove from panel"
[19:53] <macvr> andreasn: could you pls add your comment to the launchpad page, so that it could be easy to track?


[00:26] <joshuas-dad> soreau yes i do
[00:26] <soreau> then what's the problem
[00:27] <joshuas-dad> it doesnt connect, i dont see any wireless networks
[00:27] <soreau> What happens if you try 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i ssid'
[00:28] <joshuas-dad> yup that works
[00:28] <soreau> so the driver is probably working but whatever other tool you're trying to use for connection isn't
[00:29] <soreau> What's showing no AP's?
[00:29] <joshuas-dad> i am just using network connections in xubuntu
[00:30] <soreau> What is the output of 'service network-manager status'?
[00:31] <joshuas-dad> start/running process 857
[00:31] <soreau> and when you click on the network icon in the panel, does it say wireless networks?
[00:32] <CrownWheel> Hey, Xubuntu-ites.  Question about installing from a Live distribution.
[00:32] <joshuas-dad> yup, just doesnt show any available
[00:32] <soreau> joshuas-dad: Is it a usb device you plugged in?
[00:32] <joshuas-dad> yes, it is a usb device
[00:32] <soreau> Does it work if you restart network-manager with 'sudo service network-manager restart'?
[00:33] <CrownWheel> I'm running a USB flash drive with Xubuntu 11.10, with a 2GB persistant file. I've installed several packages.  I'm pretty happy with the system.
[00:33] <fschuindt> someone knows why can't I change my window top bar theme?
[00:33] <CrownWheel> How can I tell how much of the real hard drive I'll need when I install?
[00:34] <joshuas-dad> no, i can only manually add
[00:34] <soreau> joshuas-dad: Can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file to pastebin.com?
[00:35] <CrownWheel> And, is the install process "smart" enough to install the system on the USB drive as-is?  That would be sweet, because then the USB drive becomes a backup of the custom install.
[00:36] <joshuas-dad> there is only a couple lines
[00:36] <joshuas-dad> can i paste here
[00:36] <soreau> joshuas-dad: Do you have 'Enable Networking' and 'Enable Wireless' checked in the network dropdown menu?
[00:37] <joshuas-dad> is that in settings?
[00:37] <soreau> just when you left-click on the network icon in the panel
[00:40] <joshuas-dad> i do now, and it is working. thanks for the help
[00:40] <soreau> No problem ;-)
[01:26] <CrownWheel> When I use the desktop Install icon, will it do a clean install, or install the system (and packages) from my Live USB install, as-is?
[01:27] <knome> clean install
[01:27] <CrownWheel> any way to get the as-is system onto the HD?
[01:27] <knome> not really
[01:28] <CrownWheel> Then the USB drive becomes a backup/revert image and, man, that'd be sweet.
[01:28] <CrownWheel> alright.  thanks, knome.
[01:43] <pacy_> with dd ?
[01:44] <pacy_> CrownWheel, http://www.backuphowto.info/linux-backup-hard-disk-clone-dd
[05:04] <CrownWheel> pacy__, just spotted your message from hours and hours ago.  Thanks for the link.
[06:07] <bigbrovar> .
[06:10] <ball> What kind of fonts does Xubuntu support and where do they live (where do I put new ones)?
[06:23] <qrq> xubuntu laggs my pc :D
[06:29] <TheSheep> ball: ttf and otf and you pput them in ~/.fonts then run fc-cache
[06:30] <ball> Thanks!
[06:30]  * ball tries it
[06:32] <ball> TheSheep: That worked beautifully, thanks!
[06:33] <qrq> Why xubuntu laggs so much?
[06:33] <qrq> Debian with XFCE don't :)
[06:34] <qrq> And my specs arent so bad.
[06:34] <qrq> AMD Athlon 64 1600 MHZ , 1024 RAM
[06:35] <qrq> Ubuntu Autoupdates takes 40% of CPU :D
[06:35] <qrq> I mean indicator.
[06:37] <ball> It seems to work very well on the Intel Atom machines I've tried it on.
[06:38] <ball> qrq: What kind of "lag" are you seeing?
[06:38] <qrq> 40% of CPU is taken constantly by update applet.
[06:39] <ball> qrq: Have you let the update applet run and complete?
[06:40] <qrq> Yes
[06:40] <qrq> System is updated
[06:40] <qrq> Next thing is some root lightdm script :D
[06:41] <qrq> Which is really mean for CPU too.
[06:42] <ball> I have to iron a shirt. I leave for work in about five hours.
[06:43] <ball> qrq: I hope you get that figured out.  BTW, how much cache does your Athlon 64 have?
[06:43] <qrq> ball I don't really know.
[06:43] <qrq> I never had such problems on 10.04 xubuntu
[06:44] <qrq> And it seems I will stick with 10.04
[06:46] <ball> If an Atom handles it, I'm surprised an Athlon 64 doesn't.
[06:47] <qrq> I installed 11.10 yestarday
[06:48] <qrq> Before this I had 10.04 and it works normaly
[06:48] <qrq> Worked.
[07:09] <ball> I's fall back to 10.4 then.
[07:18] <onyx> hi. can I to talk with somebody?
[07:19] <Paimun> You certainly -can-
[07:20] <onyx> I want to ask my question about video in my xubuntu 11.10
[07:21] <Paimun> you could probably do it then
[07:21] <Paimun> don't ask to ask
[07:25] <ball> onyx: What is your question?
[07:25] <onyx> thanks. well, video in my system play with wrong colours. flash into firefox play right. I have try all 4 variants video drivers, that in my system, but nothing  change
[07:27] <ball> onyx: Have you seen this with several different video players?
[07:27] <onyx> yes. I have try it with vlc, gmplayer,gxine
[07:28] <ball> onyx: Was okay with previous versions of Xubuntu?
[07:31] <onyx> it is my first xubuntu. before i use ubuntu. there was all right. now i has try several distributives . mandriva. crunchbang... there all right too
[07:34] <ball> Are you using the vendor's video driver or an open source one?
[07:38] <onyx> I use proprietary driver that xubuntu offer to me. Nvidia ver.173, ver 173-update, current, current-updates.
[08:50] <Cybertinus> topic
[08:50] <Cybertinus> let's put a / in front of that :p
[09:19] <onyx> is here russian?
[09:19] <Unit193> !ru | onyx
[11:00] <simon___> Hello. Is there a way to use a "Network" button in Thunar like under Gnome ?
[11:00] <simon___> Because I want to connect to smb clients with thunar
[11:01] <Sysi> go there and press Ctl L, you can type address (smb://)
[11:01] <Sysi> you can browse hosts with gigolo
[11:02] <simon___> okay...funny....last time the input wasn't valid (Can not press open)
[11:02] <simon___> thanks
[11:35] <Kaapa> hey there - trying to install sun's java, but when I do a update-alternatives --config java I get "There is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java"
[11:35] <Kaapa> any tips?
[11:41] <Kaapa> woot - done
[11:49] <Kaapa> another question - how can I change the email I supplierd in the notifier?
[12:49] <livingdaylight> Hi testing xubuntu live cd. Does the real install update FF? live has version7 here
[12:51] <ablomen> livingdaylight, yeah it updates to 8 when you install
[12:51] <ablomen> it will always update some time later then the mozilla release though, since they have to package and test it etc
[12:52] <livingdaylight> ablomen, thank you. Just testing live cd. Previously, used Ubuntu, but looking for alternative to Unity
[12:53] <ablomen> livingdaylight, ok well firefox etc are exactly the same as ubuntu (it comes from the same repositorie) it just installs different packages (like the desktop env etc)
[12:54] <livingdaylight> yea... xfce doesn't use Nautilus for e.g.
[12:54] <ablomen> indeed
[12:55] <livingdaylight> thunar i see
[12:57] <livingdaylight> can thunar split into two panes? In Nautilus F3 splits the file manager into two panels, if you know what I mean. Something I do a lot and very practical
[12:58] <ablomen> livingdaylight, nope it can't, but you are free to use whatever file manager you want
[12:59] <livingdaylight> ablomen, so, one could install nautilus for e.g.? its compatible with this window manager too?
[12:59] <ablomen> i think pcmanfm is a popular alternative for thunar in the xfce comunity
[12:59] <livingdaylight> i see, never heard of it. I'd have to try that out then.
[13:00] <livingdaylight> I'm not hung up about particular applications as much as particular functionality that I either got used to or find useful.
[13:00] <ablomen> well nautilus is a bit different here, because in gnome it also handles the desktop, and by default it starts a desktop over the xfce desktop in xfce
[13:01] <livingdaylight> as long as its easy to open two file managers side by side for easy and quick copy and pasting.
[13:01] <ablomen> but most other file managers work fine, and i think you can even tweak nautilus too to only be a file manager, if you really want to use it
[13:01] <livingdaylight> or picking up and dropping as it were in this case
[13:01] <ablomen> well you can always press ctrl+n in thunar, that opens another window in the same folder, don't know if that is enough
[13:02] <ablomen> (it is for me anyway)
[13:02] <livingdaylight> thx. I see that opens another window - yes.
[13:02] <livingdaylight> by same window you mean same workspace?
[13:04] <ablomen> i said same folder, so it opens a new thunar with the same path as the current directory
[13:04] <livingdaylight> can we still install sun-java easy enough. I know that has changed across the board in all *buntu systems since 11.10
[13:04] <livingdaylight> oh, i see what you mean... yes, that would do
[13:08] <ablomen> i'm not sure on that one, i have it installed here, but this was before all the oracle discontinuing the os java vm talk etc
[13:09] <livingdaylight> so, are you still on 11.04 too
[13:11] <ablomen> no, but i updated
[13:11] <ablomen> did not do a fresh install
[13:11] <livingdaylight> you mean upgraded?
[13:12] <livingdaylight> Does upgrade not remove things like that?
[13:12] <ablomen> oh wait i guess it did switch to openjdk
[13:13] <ablomen> hmm, well minecraft works anyway ;)
[13:13] <livingdaylight> yea, would've thought so... oh, well, if you haven't noticed a difference then that is good :)
[13:22] <livingdaylight> I'm gonna back up my home dir and give xubuntu a go
[15:35] <livingdaylight> Hi
[15:36] <livingdaylight> To install proprietary codecs is there a how to page, so I can selct individually rather than just enableing the default restricted
[15:37] <livingdaylight> and is it normal that there is no login sound?
[15:37] <ablomen> yes
[15:38] <Sysi> no login sound is default, search for gstreamer-plugins in synaptic or software center to install codecs
[15:39] <livingdaylight> thanks
[15:40] <livingdaylight> are there any particularly good and useful xubuntu specific how to sites for getting a fresh install up to speed?
[15:42] <Sysi> xubuntu is pretty simple, fiddle with settings and try stuff with panels, rest of it is often same than on regular ubuntu
[15:42] <Sysi> xfce docs have some useful info
[15:44] <livingdaylight> ok, thanks. I'm thinking particularly regards, proprietary codecs. You're saying I can follow reguular ubuntu-centric guides; they apply equally
[15:44] <Sysi> codecs and stuff are the same on both
[15:45] <ablomen> livingdaylight, i always install vlc, mplayer and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, that way you can play basicly anything (with a few uncommon exceptions)
[15:46] <Sysi> really either vlc or mplayer(-gnome) is needed, not really both
[15:47] <ablomen> depends, mplayer does not play nice with some codecs, same for vlc but yeah for basic usage i'd say go for mplayer-gnome (bit faster then vlc)
[15:47] <Sysi> parole should play pretty much everything with gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and -ugly and that --ffmpeg
[15:49] <livingdaylight> parole?
[15:50] <Sysi> default player
[15:50] <livingdaylight> yes, I see... never heard of it :)
[15:50] <livingdaylight> xfce's version of totem ?
[15:50] <Sysi> kind of
[15:51] <livingdaylight> ok, update complete, reboot
[16:08] <xubuntu222> hey do you know how much space you need to install xubuntu on?
[16:08] <Sysi> 4.5GB
[16:08] <xubuntu222> damn
[16:08] <Sysi> a bit less with alternate disk
[16:08] <xubuntu222> my hard drive broke and i only have a 4 gig stick with me...
[16:09] <xubuntu222> thy
[16:10] <ablomen> xubuntu222, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD << you can add only the packages you need with this
[16:12] <Yggdrasil_> hi, i have a pentium 64 bit
[16:12] <Yggdrasil_> do i still download the am64 iso ?
[16:12] <xubuntu222> yes i guess i for now try to install some minamal puppy linux on my stick
[16:12] <Yggdrasil_> amd64
[16:12] <xubuntu222> would be the most sensitive thing
[16:12] <xubuntu222> godby
[16:14] <ablomen> Yggdrasil_, yeah that works fine
[16:14] <Yggdrasil_> ok thought so thanks
[16:14] <Yggdrasil_> gonna get me a linux box in my vmware.
[18:18] <vithos> yo, how do i get the disk performance monitor xfce plugin to work?
[18:18] <tuttincoro> does xubuntu include wubi?
[18:18] <TheSheep> tuttincoro: yes
[18:18] <TheSheep> vithos: yo, what's the error?
[18:19] <vithos> the indicator never shows any activity
[18:19] <vithos> even if i run something like the `stress --hdd 1`
[18:23] <TheSheep> vithos: looks like it only works with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
[18:23] <TheSheep> vithos: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-diskperf-plugin
[18:24] <vithos> that's weird, i thought 3.0 didn't have any changes :D
[18:25] <vithos> thanks
[18:26] <TheSheep> vithos: I'm not 100% that this is the source of the problem
[18:27] <TheSheep> vithos: perhaps you just need to recompile with that flag enabled
[18:27] <vithos> i'll see if i can manage to do that
[18:57] <Kurdistan> guys/girls have the boot time in xubuntu got slower compare to lucid?
[19:00] <pleia2> Kurdistan: yes, the ubuntu devs are working on getting the bootup time shorter again for 12.04
[19:01] <Kurdistan> pleia2, I thought in ubuntu, unity was the reason of the slow boot speed.
[19:01] <Kurdistan> did not think xubuntu would effect
[19:02] <pleia2> xubuntu and ubuntu share a lot of the same startup processes
[19:04] <Kurdistan> :) yes thats true
[19:07] <girafe> so xubuntu is the new flavor that replaces unity ?
[19:08] <Pici> No?
[19:08] <Pici> xubuntu uses xfce. ubuntu uses gnome3+unity
[19:25] <Aicasn> is anyone else having big trouble with 11.1?  general instability in multiple apps?  graphics problems?
[19:26] <Aicasn> feels a lot like a beta on my end
[19:29] <baizon> not at all :)
[19:29] <baizon> everything working fine for me
[19:32] <Kurdistan> Aicasn, what are you using, graphic card?
[19:33] <baizon> ATi 6320
[19:33] <Aicasn> nv gtx 260
[19:33] <baizon> ah sorry not me xD
[19:34] <Kurdistan> Aicasn, have you looked on launchpad or nvnews for bugrapports?
[19:35] <Kurdistan> I have myself problem with the latest stable nvidia drivers
[19:35] <Aicasn> nope. i only played with it long enough over the weekend to see that it wasn't suitable as my primary os
[19:36] <Aicasn> i'll stick that on my to-do list.  i do want to help if i'm in the minority in terms of user experience. i was just curious if many folks were having these problems
[19:44] <Sysi> Aicasn: did you install nvidia driver or were you usinf the default one? even if card isn't brand new the default driver probably works badly
[19:48] <Aicasn> used both nv drivers. same difference between them
[19:55] <carson_ward> loaded xubuntu for the first time a month ago and i am impressed. after years of rpm hell this is nice.
[20:19] <Aicasn> i stuck a SSD in my home machine to boot and run OS files off of. what's the best way to ensure that /, /boot, and /usr all run off of the SSD, but /home, /var, /etc, ...  run from the normal drive?  i couldn't find a way to separate the partitions (especially /var) because some of them need to be available during bootup
[20:26] <Sysi> Aicasn: why wouldn't you put /var to ssd too? you could just have one partition for / on ssd and data partition on hdd
[20:26] <Aicasn> Sysi: because /var gets a lot of read/write activity.  temp files, log files, etc.  it's unnecessary wear on the ssd.
[20:27] <Aicasn> i'd rather have that on the gears and levers hard drive
[20:27] <Sysi> Aicasn: it's hardly possible to burn out ssd faster than hdd
[20:27] <Sysi> the more writes, the more reason I'd see to have it on afster drive..
[20:28] <Aicasn> i realize that, but those read/write's aren't really bottlenecks. they're fast anyway.
[20:29] <Sysi> what ssd? vertex2 should last at least three years on hard daily usage, vertex3 a little less
[20:29] <Aicasn> hmm.... corsair 128gb i believe
[20:30] <Aicasn> so, back to my original question, is it possible to keep /var on a separate partition without xbuntu 11.1 getting mad at me?
[20:31] <Aicasn> i redicrected enough stuff to / from /var to get it to boot, but it still acts  very unstable
[20:36] <Cybertinus> Aicasn: sure. Just make it a seperate partition, make sure it is in your fstab, and has the correct mountpoint and it should work without a hitch
[20:37] <Aicasn> i put it on my /home partition.  i have /boot, /, and /home.   it was  /home/system/var -> /var
[20:37] <Aicasn> didn't like that very much at all
[20:37] <Aicasn> i had to  /var/run -> /run  and something else i can't recall just to get it to boot
[21:48] <Wazzaaa> Greetings, Xubuntu users. In the Ubuntu Software Center I can no longer see the xubuntu-desktop package
[21:48] <Wazzaaa> can you see it ?
[21:49] <TheSheep> !info xubuntu-desktop
[21:49] <Wazzaaa> and/or how ot install Xubuntu so that I can choose Xubuntu from the Session menu on the login screen.
[21:52] <Wazzaaa> yep, found it
[21:52] <Wazzaaa> thanks people of the interwebz
[22:20] <pacy_> hey there
[22:20] <knome> hello


[18:52] <apurv> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A PROPER SDK FOR UNITY8?
[19:38] <apurv> WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE DASH IN UNITY8?


[00:14] <mwhudson> while i'm trolling for core-dev reviews how about this one https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/406368
[00:16] <sarnold> "Remake of Beryl. Except that the plugins come from compiz, compiz-fusion, and from Beryl's old plugins as well. XGL and AIXGL both should work with this Window Manager but (just like compiz, and compiz-fusion) it is just for show."
[00:16] <sarnold> some of those are familiar, heh
[14:43] <TJ-> alis list libvirt
[17:37] <coreycb> Is there a way to get larger builder machines for PPA package builds, specifically on a per package basis? our ceph builds have started to fail consistently with "No space left on device."
[17:37] <coreycb> this is for the cloud archive
[17:42] <cjwatson> coreycb: There is no such facility - all builder VMs are identical
[17:42] <cjwatson> coreycb: Have you tried removing intermediate outputs during the build as a workaround?
[17:45] <coreycb> cjwatson: I don't think we have but I'll look into that, thanks
[18:24] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: Have you looked at the autopkgtest regressions in bug 1927078?
[18:27] <jawn-smith> yeah mysql seems to be regressed
[18:27] <jawn-smith> the tests appear to have nothing to do with shadow, but I wanted to dig in a little more before commenting on the bug
[18:29] <bdmurray> okay
[18:30] <sarnold> mysql-test-run: *** ERROR: Could not find /usr/lib/mysql-test/bin//mysql_migrate_keyring
[18:30] <sarnold> kinda seems fishy right off the bat, heh
[18:30] <mdeslaur> those mysql failures should be fixed with the latest security update
[18:30] <mdeslaur> they were broken in 8.0.25
[18:32] <mdeslaur> (unrelated to shadow)
[18:36] <jawn-smith> thanks sarnold and mdeslaur!
[18:38] <bdmurray> okay, I'll rerun the shadow tests w/ new mysql-8.0 then
[21:15] <dbungert> Anyone interested in a test click?  I think it should help unblock golang-testify.  https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=golang-github-uber-go-atomic&trigger=golang-testify/1.6.1-2&trigger=golang-github-uber-go-atomic/1.8.0-2
[21:38] <bdmurray> dbungert: done
[21:39] <dbungert> bdmurray: thanks as always
[22:39] <GunnarHj> Hi vorlon, thanks for attending bug #1917010. There seems to be a need to add a couple of dependencies to the gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons uploads, though. Please see previous comments on the bug report. I was just about to deal with that, starting with impish -7. Should I upload new versions to hirsute and focal, or would it be better to drop those two uploads from -proposed first?
[22:41] <vorlon> GunnarHj: ok apparently I misunderstood the history and thought these only needed to be added to gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng which I saw had been done
[22:42] <vorlon> GunnarHj: please upload to impish first, then to -proposed, and drop a comment on the SRU bug for clarity, and we can pick it up from there
[22:42] <vorlon> you can also preemptively tag the bug verification-failed-$suite
[22:42] <vorlon> bdmurray: the u-boot bug LP: #1937277 is marked 'new' for devel?
[22:46] <GunnarHj> vorlon: Ok, I'll use that tag, and later upload new versions to -proposed on top of the current ones. Thanks.


[01:03] <tsimonq2> pleia2: how often does http://planet.ubuntu-us.org/ update? (assuming it isn't manual, RIGHT :P)
[01:04] <pleia2> tsimonq2: I think it's once an hour
[01:04] <tsimonq2> hmm ok
[01:04] <tsimonq2> thanks
[01:18] <tsimonq2> good luck at UbuCon, guys! :D
[01:18] <tsimonq2> I really wish I could be there :(
[01:19] <pleia2> thanks :)
[01:34] <nhaines> pleia2: I think it's every 15 minutes.
[01:37] <tsimonq2> nhaines: apparently not :)
[01:38] <nhaines> It used to be!
[01:42] <pleia2> nhaines: the ubuntu-us.org one
[01:42] <pleia2> has been hour for some time
[02:19] <tsimonq2> pleia2: it shows it has updated but my new blog post isn't there...
[02:19] <tsimonq2> hmmm
[07:42] <nhaines> pleia2: oh, right... I was thinking of Planet Ubuntu.  :)


[05:13] <mborzecki> morning
[06:11] <zyga> Hi
[06:12] <zyga> Sooooo sleepy
[06:21] <zyga> Hey mvo
[06:22] <mvo> hey zyga
[06:24] <mvo> zyga: if you adress the feedback from jamie in 6846, could you please force push so that I can cherry pick more easily?
[06:25] <mup> PR snapd#6843 closed: tests: avoid removing snaps which are cached to speed up the prepare on boards <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6843>
[06:25] <mborzecki> zyga: mvo: hey
[06:28] <mvo> hey mborzecki
[06:32] <mup> PR snapd#6831 closed: tests: retry govendor sync <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6831>
[06:44] <zyga> low hanging fruit: bump the delta tag please
[06:45] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6855 is a bit big
[06:45] <mup> PR #6855: overlord: implement store switch remodeling  <Remodel :train:> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6855>
[06:45] <mup> PR snapd#6846 closed: cmd/snap-confine: unshare per-user mount ns once <Bug> <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6846>
[06:47] <mvo> zyga: I cherry picked 6846
[06:47] <zyga> Thank you
[06:47] <zyga> I'm still working on the main dish
[07:05] <pstolowski> morning
[07:09] <zyga> hey pawel
[07:25] <pedronis> mvo: hi, the PR to do store switch remodeling is up, some TODO related to conflicts, but otherwise is all there. Re-reg is a bit more complicated but not complex, needs the dedicated context and a new task kind.
[07:26] <pedronis> PRs are a bit big though (espcially tests) might need splitting.
[07:26] <pstolowski> mvo: hey, thanks for moving our 1-1!
[07:51] <mvo> pstolowski: is that time ok? I'm relatively flexible thanks to mborzecki who also moved the meeting :)
[07:52] <pstolowski> mvo: yes, it's perfect!
[07:52] <mup> PR snapd#6854 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: rename applyFstab to executeMountProfileUpdate <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6854>
[07:53] <mvo> we are below 60 again!
[07:53] <mup> PR snapd#6851 closed: cmd/snap: mangle descriptions that have indent > terminal width <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6851>
[07:56] <Chipaca> moin moin
[07:58] <pstolowski> hey Chipaca
[07:59] <mup> PR snapd#6856 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: add tests for executeMountProfileUpdate <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6856>
[08:02] <mup> PR snapd#6850 closed: gadget: add volume level update checks <Gadget update> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6850>
[08:02] <mborzecki> another one lands :)
[08:03] <mvo> !!!
[08:08] <mup> PR snapd#6857 opened: gadget: record sector size in positioned volume <Gadget update> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6857>
[08:08] <mborzecki> and one more up /o\
[08:09] <mborzecki> off to school, back in a bit
[08:14] <zyga> mborzecki: thank you
[08:16] <zyga> man, I needed this coffee
[08:39] <Chipaca> pedronis: you around?
[08:44] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes
[08:44] <Chipaca> pedronis: wrt health-checks, is there anything you'd rather see up in a pr next?
[08:45] <pedronis> Chipaca: did you push one already?
[08:45] <Chipaca> pedronis: just the draft one
[08:45] <Chipaca> pedronis: working on the tests still
[08:45] <pedronis> Chipaca: is it too big?
[08:45] <Chipaca> pedronis: no i don't think so
[08:46] <pedronis> I'm not sure I understand the question
[08:48] <Chipaca> pedronis: the pr that is up, that i expect to finish today while you're travelling, covers only a small portion of the feature
[08:49] <Chipaca> pedronis: so, what should i work on once that is 'done' (code complete)?
[08:49] <pedronis> Chipaca: the PR runs the hook and let the hook set the health, right?
[08:49] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes, post-refresh
[08:50] <Chipaca> or post-install
[08:50] <Chipaca> i mean it doesn't do the pre-refresh nor the on-demand, nor the info, nor the list
[08:50] <pedronis> I think the next bit is snap info
[08:50] <Chipaca> okie doke
[08:50] <pedronis> now that I understand the question
[08:50] <Chipaca> :)
[08:50]  * Chipaca is always very clear
[08:51] <Chipaca> pedronis: and after that? (being optimistic here)
[08:52] <pedronis> regular running of the hook?
[08:52] <pedronis> and then the pre refresh one we need to think a bit, we can run it but we wouldn't do much with, would we?
[08:53] <pedronis> so it well might be on-demand
[08:53] <pedronis> I expect on-demand to be a bit complicated, to do the UX as we discussed it
[08:53] <pedronis> because we don't have anything quite like that
[08:53] <pedronis> atm
[08:53] <zyga> oh
[08:54] <zyga> what are you discussing? it sounds curious
[08:54] <pedronis> health checks
[08:54] <pedronis> or you mean the last bit in particular?
[08:54] <pedronis> the last bit is about snap health and returning info to the user for each snap as soon as it is available
[08:55] <zyga> about on-demand things, I was wondering if there's some new functionality in hooks that is planned
[08:55] <pedronis> don't think is about hooks
[08:55] <pedronis> it's more about how we return results
[08:55] <pedronis> from API
[08:56] <pedronis> but it depends exactly how we implement it
[08:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: so, info, regular,  on-demand
[09:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: regular as in on-a-timer?
[09:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: that part of the spec that says we run them (probably triggered from ensure) at given interval,
[09:01] <pedronis> more often if unhealthy
[09:01] <Chipaca> yep
[09:02] <Chipaca> ok
[09:03] <pedronis> there are some fun issues there to, but we can have a general sketch of that before digging
[09:03] <pedronis> *there too
[09:06] <mup> PR snapd#6858 opened: cmd/snap: unit tests for debug timings <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6858>
[09:13] <zyga> mborzecki: not sure if intersects with your work
[09:13] <zyga> running snapd a while prints this a loooot
[09:13] <zyga> maj 10 11:00:53 yantra snapd[57785]: kernel_os.go:198: cannot get boot settings: cannot determine bootloader
[09:32] <Chipaca> pstolowski: "(and optionally the)" because code is optional!
[09:32] <Chipaca> :-p
[09:33] <pstolowski> :)
[09:36]  * pedronis starts early travel to Lyon
[09:36] <pedronis> have great day and weekend!
[09:36] <zyga> pedronis: see you soon :)
[09:36] <zyga> pedronis: I'm going through geneva
[09:37] <zyga> pedronis: perhaps we might even share a train ride
[09:37] <pedronis> maybe, depends on times, but will do geneva -> Lyon on Sunday
[09:37] <zyga> same like me
[09:37] <pedronis> at some point
[09:47] <mup> PR snapd#6751 closed: overlord/snapstate: perform hard refresh check <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6751>
[10:10] <Chipaca> what was the right name for 'sideloads'?
[10:10] <zyga> Chipaca: none :)
[10:10] <zyga> snap install from a file?
[10:10] <Chipaca> unsigned? unverified? unpotatoed?
[10:10] <zyga> unasserted?
[10:10] <Chipaca> unasserted, thanks
[10:10] <zyga> note, I just made that up
[10:10] <zyga> but it sounds okay :)
[10:11] <Chipaca> 'twas that afair
[10:11] <Chipaca> AFAIR
[10:11] <Chipaca> also
[10:20] <mup> PR snapd#6853 closed: interfaces: special-case "snapd" in sanitizeSlotReservedForOS* helper… <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6853>
[10:22] <mvo> second review for 6793 would be nice (maybe mborzecki because he already did a first pass :) ?
[10:25] <zyga> mvo: mborzecki will be back in half an hour
[10:25] <zyga> mvo: can I help
[10:26] <zyga> mvo: I ran into another bug, don't understand it yet, looks related to recent changes
[10:26] <zyga> mvo: snap-confine cannot open the base directory in /tmp
[10:26] <zyga> debugging now
[10:32] <pstolowski> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6823 can land?
[10:32] <mup> PR #6823: packaging: build empty package on powerpc <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6823>
[10:32] <mvo> pstolowski: if it has two reviews I think it can land
[10:32] <mvo> zyga: oh, where do you see this bug?
[10:33] <zyga> mvo: when developing on opensuse
[10:33] <zyga> mvo: just added debugging, hold on
[10:33] <zyga> it's odd, I didn't see it before
[10:34] <pstolowski> mvo: 2nd review is from vorlonofportland
[10:34] <mvo> pstolowski: aha, indeed, then yeah, lets merge it
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#6823 closed: packaging: build empty package on powerpc <Created by mvo5> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6823>
[10:37] <mvo> pstolowski: thank you! I also cherry-picked it into 2.39
[10:39] <pstolowski> Chipaca: 6803 has a few conflicts
[10:40] <Chipaca> nevah
[10:41] <mvo> 6795 also needs a second review, should be an easy win
[10:45] <pstolowski> mvo: i've merged #6811 but we need to ping Sergio re your question about if it needs to go to 2.39
[10:45] <mup> PR #6811: tests: make create-user test support managed devices <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6811>
[10:45] <mvo> pstolowski: indeed
[10:45] <mvo> pstolowski: thank you!
[10:45] <mup> PR snapd#6811 closed: tests: make create-user test support managed devices <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6811>
[10:50] <zyga> I need a break
[10:50] <zyga> mvo: I think master may be broken
[10:50] <zyga> mvo: the /tmp changes affecte stuff that is only picked up by tests running as user
[10:50] <zyga> meh
[10:50] <zyga> not fun
[10:50] <zyga> anyone can run edge and say if stuff is falling apart?
[10:51] <zyga> but first
[10:51] <zyga> really
[10:51] <zyga> break
[10:59] <zyga> meh
[11:00] <zyga> it's so odd
[11:00] <zyga> something must have landed
[11:00] <mvo> zyga: I just refreshed my bionic to edge and ran hello-world
[11:00] <mvo> zyga: seems to be fine
[11:01] <mvo> zyga: hold on, that was core not the snapd snap
[11:02] <zyga> perhaps it's something in my setup
[11:02]  * zyga explores
[11:02] <zyga> so I get permission denied
[11:02] <zyga> but it doesn't seem like apparmor
[11:02]  * zyga rechecks
[11:03] <mborzecki> re
[11:03] <mvo> zyga: on my system(s) things seem to be ok - at least with test-snapd-tools.echo
[11:03] <zyga> thanks for checking
[11:03] <zyga> mvo: what are the permissions on /tmp/snap.test-snapd-tools?
[11:06] <sparkiegeek> is there a potential for a race when 'snap install thing-with-home-interface', then running thing-with-home-interface and expecting :home to be connected?
[11:06] <popey_> Wimpress: mvo: Chipaca you guys around for catch up at half past?
[11:06] <sparkiegeek> Interface  Plug                        Slot  Notes
[11:06] <sparkiegeek> home       documentation-builder:home  -     -
[11:06] <sparkiegeek> trying to work out how that happened, in a fresh LXD container, immediately after 'snap install documentation-builder'
[11:07] <zyga> sparkiegeek: odd, is core or snapd installed?
[11:08] <mvo> zyga: drwx------ 3 root root 4,0K Mai 10 13:00 /tmp/snap.test-snapd-tools
[11:08] <sparkiegeek> zyga: good question, this is repeatedly happening in aforementioned container - in a test run, so can add debugging but loop is longer than I'd like
[11:08] <zyga> mvo: thanks
[11:08] <mvo> popey_, Wimpress, Chipaca I'm around but I would not mind skipping given that we meet in lyon next week anyway
[11:08] <zyga> mvo: for me it is root.users!
[11:08] <zyga> mvo: whaaat?
[11:09]  * zyga inspects
[11:09] <zyga> mvo: can you remove that
[11:09] <zyga> and run it again
[11:09] <zyga> and see if that fails?
[11:10] <zyga> mvo: I think I know what's wrong
[11:10] <zyga> mvo: look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6714/files
[11:10] <mup> PR #6714: cmd/snap-confine: reject crafted /tmp/snap.$SNAP_NAME <Bug> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6714>
[11:10] <zyga> mvo: you don't see it on debian
[11:10] <zyga> see that code that changes groups?
[11:11] <mvo> zyga: yes
[11:11] <zyga> I think we need that now
[11:11] <zyga> what's the permission of /usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine?
[11:11] <popey_> mvo: ok, that's cool
[11:11] <mvo> zyga: -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 99K Mär 15 20:54 /usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine
[11:11] <zyga> mvo: also in snapd.snap
[11:12] <mup> PR snapd#6857 closed: gadget: record sector size in positioned volume <Gadget update> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6857>
[11:12]  * zyga is confused
[11:12] <zyga> mvo: thank you
[11:13] <mvo> popey_: cool, declined it now
[11:13] <sparkiegeek> zyga: appears to be neither core nor snapd, but our good friend core18
[11:13] <zyga> sparkiegeek: that's a known bug
[11:13]  * zyga looks for the bug URL
[11:13] <popey_> bug 1819318
[11:13] <popey_> ?
[11:14] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1819318
[11:14] <zyga> yep
[11:14] <mup> Bug #1819318: no interfaces when installing only core18 <snapd:In Progress by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1819318>
[11:14] <sparkiegeek> zyga: ok, and workaround is to ... manually install core too?
[11:14] <zyga> yes
[11:15] <mvo> sparkiegeek: yes, this will be fixed in 2.39 (which is in candidate already and should go to stable early next week)
[11:15] <mvo> sparkiegeek: sorry for the trouble
[11:16] <sparkiegeek> mvo: np. Due to a separate SNAFU that took me out all of yesterday, glad to finally be able to get debugging on this and look under the curtain, happy it's a known issue
[11:24] <mup> PR snapd#6795 closed: cmd,sandbox: tweak seccomp version info handling <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6795>
[11:27] <sparkiegeek> is there a 'grep-friendly' way of determining if I'm hitting ^ that bug. i.e. snap connected documentation-builder | grep -v ':home' || snap install core ?
[11:27] <zyga> sparkiegeek: just snap list is sufficient
[11:27] <zyga> sparkiegeek: then snap connections will show you there are no slots
[11:28] <sparkiegeek> zyga: right, just trying to build a snippet in a Makefile to workaround the bug if I need to, but don't install core if the interface is connected
[11:54] <zyga> mborzecki: hey, do you want to repeat our experiment?
[11:54] <zyga> mborzecki: I'm stuck, perhaps you will just see what's obviously broken
[11:55] <zyga> https://meet.google.com/rha-xhdp-vic?authuser=0
[11:56] <zyga> mvo: or you perhaps?
[11:56] <zyga> anyone?
[12:00] <mborzecki> zyga: in 5? i'm finishing reading through pstolowski's pr
[12:00] <zyga> sure
[12:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#2500 closed: cli: add remote build <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2500>
[12:08] <cmatsuoka> \o/
[12:10] <zyga> Chipaca, pstolowski: saving data of multipass, on removal, is loooong
[12:11] <zyga> Chipaca: curious, how do we remove snapshots?
[12:11] <Chipaca> zyga: snap forget
[12:11] <pstolowski> zyga: uhmmm.. it can be disabled
[12:11] <zyga> can I forget all snapshots of a given snap?
[12:11] <Chipaca> zyga: yes
[12:11] <Saviq> cachio: hey, any chance for a fedora-30 image please? :)
[12:12] <Chipaca> zyga: not easily tho :-|
[12:12] <Chipaca> zyga: maybe we should add that, although it'd be tricky
[12:12] <zyga> Chipaca: I noticed
[12:12] <zyga> given that the things are called NNN_$SNAP_NAME_*
[12:13] <zyga> is that enough of a hint?
[12:13] <zyga> Chipaca: can I just rm them manually?
[12:13] <Chipaca> zyga: snap saved thesnap | <some magic> | xargs snap forget {} thesnap \;, or something
[12:13] <zyga> or is there state
[12:13] <zyga> :/
[12:13] <Chipaca> zyga: there is no state
[12:13] <zyga> ah
[12:13] <zyga> off they go :)
[12:13] <Chipaca> that was part of the design of snapshots
[12:13] <zyga> thanks!
[12:13] <zyga> though for usability
[12:13] <zyga> killing snapshots of a snap
[12:13] <zyga> very likely useful
[12:14] <Chipaca> zyga: there is state about auto-snapshots, but it shouldn't break anything if it tries to remove them and they're gone
[12:14] <Chipaca> zyga: file bugs if it breaks and eats your thesis
[12:15] <zyga> who knew
[12:15] <zyga> sudo has --background and --command-timeout options
[12:15] <Chipaca> should we add a --purge to snap remove to mean "don't auto-snapshot"?
[12:15] <zyga> Chipaca: yeah
[12:15] <zyga> feels like something I'd do in tests
[12:15] <zyga> our tests don't have much data but removing multipass hit my fans running
[12:15] <Chipaca> pstolowski: wtyt?
[12:15] <zyga> 2GBs
[12:16] <Chipaca> wdyt*
[12:18] <pstolowski> Chipaca: +1 to 'snap remove --purge', i like that. gives more control than all-or-nothing flag we have now
[12:19] <Chipaca> we should either put up a pr, or write something in the forum, before we forget
[12:19] <Chipaca> me, i'm going to have lunch
[12:19]  * Chipaca prioritises like a baws
[12:25] <cmatsuoka> mborzecki: PR #6849 failed some integration tests
[12:25] <mup> PR #6849: many: introduce a gadget helper for locating device matching given structure <Gadget update> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6849>
[12:33] <Saviq> mborzecki: it's != its ;)
[12:33] <Saviq> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6849/files#diff-f57f6320470091f8bb514620cc2fbbddR35
[12:33] <mup> PR #6849: many: introduce a gadget helper for locating device matching given structure <Gadget update> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6849>
[12:38] <zyga> mvo: mystery solved
[12:41] <mborzecki> Saviq: duh, missed that, thanks for spotting
[12:44] <mborzecki> pstolowski: May 10 12:01:02 may101137-895818 nsenter[32024]: retry.go:120: DEBUG: Retrying because of temporary net error: &net.OpError{Op:"dial", Net:"tcp", Source:net.Addr(nil), Addr:net.Addr(nil), Err:(*net.DNSError)(0xc00006c5c0)}
[12:45] <mborzecki> we're logging the error as #+v ?
[12:45] <mborzecki> %+v
[12:47] <pstolowski> mborzecki: %#v, yes
[12:48] <pstolowski> this is Debug though
[12:51] <mborzecki> pstolowski: yup, so probably fine
[12:56] <pstolowski> mborzecki: yeah, an it helps understand error conditions better if we need to peel them :}
[12:57] <cachio> Saviq, sure, I'll try today
[12:58] <mvo> zyga: what is the mystery?
[13:00] <pstolowski> cachio: hey, can you take a look if that PR that we landed today needs to go to 2.39? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6811
[13:00] <mup> PR #6811: tests: make create-user test support managed devices <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6811>
[13:03] <zyga> joining
[13:04] <mup> PR snapd#6793 closed: cmd/snap: support for --ensure argument for snap debug timings <Created by stolowski> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6793>
[13:39] <pstolowski> Chipaca: so, i'll create forum topic re --purge and do impl sometime next week
[13:39] <Chipaca> pstolowski: <3
[13:44] <pstolowski> k
[13:45] <pstolowski> degville: btw, we need to update documentation with automatic snapshots; is it ok if i send you a short description of it, and you flesh it out/reword and put in a proper context of existing doc?
[13:49] <degville> pstolowski: absolutely, yes, of course.
[13:54] <mvo> Chipaca: I couldn't help it and de-conflicted 6803
[13:54] <mvo> Chipaca: hope you don't mind
[13:54] <Chipaca> mvo: HULK SMASH
[13:55] <Chipaca> mvo: sorry, i meant "thank you"
[13:55] <Chipaca> mvo: typo
[13:55] <Chipaca> :-þ
[13:57] <mvo> haha
[13:57]  * mvo hugs Chipaca
[14:17] <mup> PR core#38 closed: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[14:17] <mup> PR core#83 closed: move most of the ubuntu-core config deb into the snap snap build <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/83>
[14:17] <mup> PR core#104 closed: snapcraft.yaml: use remote fc-cache-builder <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/104>
[14:18] <mup> PR core#38 opened: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[14:18] <mup> PR core#83 opened: move most of the ubuntu-core config deb into the snap snap build <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/83>
[14:18] <mup> PR core#104 opened: snapcraft.yaml: use remote fc-cache-builder <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/104>
[14:43] <cachio> mborzecki, zyga if you could take another look to #6541 should be great, thanks
[14:43] <mup> PR #6541: tests: change how xdg-desktop-portal is prepared and restored for desktop-portal-* tests <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6541>
[14:43] <mborzecki> cachio: ok
[14:43] <cachio> mborzecki, thanks
[15:01] <pstolowski> Chipaca: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/automatic-snapshots-snap-remove-purge-proposal/11294
[15:01]  * Chipaca reads
[15:02] <Chipaca> pstolowski: thank you
[16:15] <pstolowski> cmatsuoka: almost forgot - safe travels!
[16:15] <cmatsuoka> thanks! :)
[16:31] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, hey
[16:32] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: hey
[16:32] <cachio> I have few issues with core
[16:32] <cachio> for example sudo usermod -a -G dialout user1
[16:32] <cachio> does not work
[16:33] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DdZsrRCxnB/
[16:33] <cachio> is it required on core?
[16:39] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: dialout is the group owner of serial ports by default; it's needed to actually access serial ports in nested vm (because we log as regular user, not root). you can skip it but the test will need to be much simpler (no tests for actual writing to the port)
[16:39] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: but as discussed that's fine, we should start with a much simplified test
[16:41] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, ok
[16:42] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: don't worry too much about actual test, i can work on tweaking it further. just plugging in the qemu virtual serial adapter + checking if slot was created succesfully will be enough
[16:43] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, ok,
[16:43] <cachio> and at which point the test should fail?
[16:43] <cachio> currently on core16 when I list connections the
[16:43] <cachio> qemuusbserial doesn't exist
[16:44] <cachio> this is not matching at all --> execute_remote "snap connections system" | MATCH "serial-port .* - .* :$SLOT_NAME"
[16:45] <cachio> but /dev/ttyUSB0 exists
[16:47] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: it's on official core16?
[16:47] <cachio> core 2.38.1
[16:47] <cachio> the stable one
[16:48] <cachio> it created an image on nested vm
[16:48] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: right. yes, so you won't see the slot there because hotplug changes for serial-port interface didn't land
[16:48] <cachio> ah
[16:48] <cachio> ok
[16:48] <cachio> makes sense
[16:48] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: so the test will fail as soon as we check snap intrfaces, expecting the slot to be there
[16:49] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: if you see ttyUSB0 then it's good, qemu works as expected with core \o/
[16:49] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, ah, nice
[16:49] <cachio> I'll recheck on core18 and I'll create a PR so next week we can test it once the change is landed
[16:50] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, thanks
[16:50] <pstolowski|afk> cachio: np, ty! i'm signing off for this week, see you!
[16:50] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, sure, enjoy your weekend
[16:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#2541 closed: Desktop meta: strip ${SNAP} from .desktop icon <Created by diddledan> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2541>
[17:46] <dcarmich> When I try to run classically-confined snaps on a Salt-managed Linux system as a user, I get the error: "cannot create user data directory: /Users/username/snap/(name of snap)/version: not a directory". However, when I install them on a stock Ubuntu 18.04 VM, they run just fine as a user. Is there a specific security setting I should look for that is causing this issue?
[17:46] <dcarmich> I'm using snap version 2.38+18.04 on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[18:13] <cmatsuoka> niemeyer: we managed to remove adapter:full, using adapter:none now
[18:45] <mup> PR snapcraft#2562 opened: extensions: add KF5 Neon extension <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2562>
[19:15] <cachio> Saviq, hey, image fedora-30-64 ready
[19:16] <cachio> I had to fix some issues with google packages
[19:16] <cachio> but right now it is working
[19:16] <cachio> just replace tha name you have set for fedora-29 and that should work
[21:07] <mup> PR snapd#6859 opened: tests: new hotplug test executed on ubuntu core  <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6859>
[21:15]  * cachio EOW
[21:17] <mup> PR snapd#6860 opened: tests: running tests on fedora 30 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6860>


[05:01] <OgMaciel> Seveas, ping
[05:29] <anandaputra> Halloo.. is this room loged?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:30] <anandaputra> I just want to say that I can't join the meeting today (tonite)..
[05:30] <jsgotangco> did you list yourself in the wiki?
[05:30] <anandaputra> 15:00 UTC is 10:00 PM in Jakarta, Indonesia..
[05:31] <anandaputra> yes i am..
[05:31] <anandaputra> but unfortunately i couldn't join the meeting.. it will be at nite in Jakarta..
[05:32] <anandaputra> and i have no internet connection tonite.. :(
[05:33] <jsgotangco> ahh too bad just in case i'm at the meeting i'll inform the guys then
[05:34] <anandaputra> nice.. thank you jerome.. :)
[12:21] <raphink> hi Simira
[12:21] <Simira> hello
[12:24] <sivang> meeting soon?
[12:24] <Seveas> 3.5 hours
[12:24] <sivang> CC ?
[12:25] <Seveas> yep
[12:26] <Simira> oh, no
[12:27] <raphink> :)
[12:27] <Simira> I'll just make a part of it, going to the dentist at 17(16 utc)
[12:28] <raphink> or quite alphabetically
[03:43] <Simira> I'm not gonna live through this meeting. I'm so tired I'll drop off any time
[03:45] <Seveas> Simira, it did not even start yet :)
[03:46] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hi mako
[03:47] <mhz> jsgotangco: hi, there
[03:47] <jsgotangco> lo mhz
[03:47] <mhz> I must leave now, to the Pharmacy and so, I won't be able to get back before meeting. Family need :(
[03:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: Yagisan: sorry
[03:48] <jsgotangco> no worries
[03:48] <Yagisan> mhz: no need to be sorry
[03:48] <mhz> I'll do my best to get back ASAP
[03:49] <raphink> hi there
[03:50] <sivang> hi all
[03:54] <mako> greetings
[03:55] <Simira> mako :)
[03:55] <jsgotangco> yo
[03:55] <raphink> :)
[03:55] <ubuntuser_ba> Hi!
[03:55] <lucasd> aloha
[03:56] <Madpilot> morning everyone
[03:56] <twilight> hi all
[03:57] <mako> ergh
[03:57] <mako> i just spilled coffee
[03:57] <mako> the second time in 10 minutes
[03:57] <jsgotangco> classic mako!
[03:57] <Madpilot> missed the keyboard, I hope? :P
[03:58] <ealden> hi all
[03:59] <lguerra> hi all
[03:59] <mako> yeah
[04:00] <mako> just the carpet :)
[04:00] <dholbach> hello
[04:00] <ubuntuser_ba> no problem.. :)
[04:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: lguerra is a colombian 'ubuntero' and has been one of the very few active and willing to help guys in #edubuntu-es
[04:00] <Seveas> * mako has quit (Read error: Keyboard reset by coffee)
[04:02] <Seveas> bye
[04:02] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:02] <ealden> bye mhz
[04:03] <ubuntuser_ba> hi OgMaciel
[04:03] <OgMaciel> [morning/afternoon/evening]  all
[04:03] <ubuntuser_ba> ;)
[04:03] <OgMaciel> ubuntuser_ba hey dude
[04:04] <OgMaciel> jsgotangco how are ya?
[04:04] <ubuntuser_ba> "tranquillo"
[04:04] <OgMaciel> ubuntuser_ba yup...  ;)
[04:04] <Seveas> 16:04 here
[04:04] <Seveas> mako, poke
[04:04] <twilight> ubuntuser_ba, italian?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[04:04] <raphink> same here :)
[04:04] <Seveas> is the rest of the CC around?
[04:04] <OgMaciel> Seveas hey bud... long time don't see ya
[04:04] <raphink> who is that for Treenaks ?
[04:04] <ubuntuser_ba> Brazilian
[04:05] <Kamion> hi
[04:05] <byteunix> hi
[04:05] <ealden> lol
[04:05] <Treenaks> 16:04 <      Seveas> is the rest of the CC around?
[04:05] <mako> Seveas: i've been here the whole time
[04:05] <ubuntuser_ba> twilight, and you?
[04:05] <Seveas> mako, but we need at least 2 more CC members for quorum ;)
[04:05] <twilight> ubuntuser_ba, the word "tranquillo" is italan, too..I'm italian :) sorry
[04:05] <lucasd> OgMaciel, hi there.. :)
[04:05] <twilight> *italian
[04:05] <mako> well, quit poking me..  i'm the one hwo actually showed up :)
[04:06] <OgMaciel> lucasd sup bud?
[04:06] <ubuntuser_ba> twilight, i like italian words... capisci?
[04:06] <ubuntuser_ba> ;)
[04:06] <Simira> elmo was just alive om #-devel
[04:06] <twilight> ubuntuser_ba, capisco :)
[04:06] <ogra_ibook> Kamion was seen today as well already ...
[04:06] <byteunix> I like girl italian :), capisci ;) ubuntuser_ba
[04:06] <lucasd> OgMaciel, i'll grab my lunch and will be right back
[04:06] <Kamion> ogra_ibook: dude I said "hi" just up above
[04:06] <Kamion> lay off :)
[04:06] <ogra_ibook> oops
[04:06] <Seveas> mako, hehe, I just hoped you knew where the rest is
[04:06] <OgMaciel> lucads k
[04:07] <Seveas> Kamion, poke
[04:10] <Kamion> ok, elmo's in channel so I imagine he'll pop up when something happens
[04:10] <Kamion> let's start
[04:10] <Kamion> we have no locoteam business this meeting
[04:10] <Kamion> and a bunch of member candidates
[04:10] <Seveas> and some other business
[04:11] <MarioMeyer> :)
[04:11] <Seveas> ah, no ther business
[04:11] <Kamion> none on the agenda
[04:11] <Kamion> AnandaPutra: here?
[04:11] <Kamion> FRNSantos: here?
[04:11] <Kamion> LorenzoSfarra: here?
[04:11] <ubuntuser_ba> yes, I am FRNSantos
[04:11] <twilight> yes
[04:11] <twilight> <- LorenzoSfarra
[04:11] <Seveas> ubuntuser_ba, hi there
[04:11] <mako> twilight: ok.. hold on.. lets deal with ubuntuser_ba  first
[04:12] <ubuntuser_ba> ok
[04:12] <Seveas> ubuntuser_ba, give us the 3-liner please :)
[04:12] <twilight> mako, no problem
[04:12] <ubuntuser_ba> My name is Fabio Nogueira, a 30 year-old Brazilian living in Salvador, Bahia.  I currently work for the State Justice Court as a computer technician and as an assistant to the system administrator, mostly handling the support of users and hardware.
[04:12] <Seveas> that's line 1 :)
[04:12] <raphink> ;)
[04:12] <ubuntuser_ba> My relationship with Linux started with a few Live CDs (Kurumin, Kalango, etc), eventually moving through Fedora and Mandrake.  It was only after I tried Ubuntu that I first experienced true nirvana!
[04:13] <OgMaciel> hehe
[04:13] <ubuntuser_ba> This feeling has stayed with me now... the entire "Ubuntu way of life" appeals to me and I want to share it with the whole world.  I often find myself "spreading the word" at every place I go to... supermarkets, butcher shop, etc..
[04:13] <ubuntuser_ba> and...
[04:13] <ubuntuser_ba> I strongly believe that I'm ready and willing to take the responsibility that comes with being part of the Ubuntu Family!
[04:14] <OgMaciel> Kamion hehehe
[04:14] <raphink> :)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:14] <MarioMeyer> :P
[04:14] <Kamion> how many are there on the pt_BR translation team now?
[04:14] <mako> OgMaciel: thanks for the testimonial
[04:14] <mako> it's helpful
[04:14] <OgMaciel> here
[04:14] <OgMaciel> mako my pleasure to endorse him
[04:14] <MarioMeyer> about 62, Kamion
[04:14] <mako> wow
[04:14] <lucasd> OgMaciel, back :)
[04:15] <Seveas> that's... a LOT
[04:15] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:15] <Kamion> *62*?
[04:15] <OgMaciel> and many more awaiting approval
[04:15] <Seveas> how many active members?
[04:15] <MarioMeyer> but not all active
[04:15] <Madpilot> they're busy down in BR!
[04:15] <OgMaciel> Seveas 62
[04:15] <Kamion> how do you coordinate that many people?
[04:15] <Seveas> are they alla ctively translating?
[04:15] <OgMaciel> Kamion we sometimes hold "sweepstakes"... hehehe
[04:15] <MarioMeyer> we are planing some "application" process
[04:15] <MarioMeyer> like tutoring the new ones..
[04:16] <Kamion> I suppose translation work divides up easily enough, but you still have to ensure consistency of vocabulary and stuff
[04:16] <OgMaciel> Seveas somewhat
[04:16] <mako> MarioMeyer: lightweight with support for those that need it or want it is always good
[04:16] <MarioMeyer> i say we have about 10 to 15 active translators
[04:16] <OgMaciel> Kamion absolutely
[04:16] <Seveas> Kamion, exactly, we kicked out lots of people in -nl that made crap translations
[04:16] <ubuntuser_ba> and bad translations....
[04:17] <Treenaks> and just plain wrong translations
[04:17] <MarioMeyer> yeah.. ubuntuser_ba has been doing a LOT of revisions of bad translations
[04:17] <MarioMeyer> he has made rosetta all blue.. :P
[04:17] <Seveas> haha
[04:17] <OgMaciel> ubuntuser_ba has actually won a sweepstake I sponsored for translators... he's scored the highest karma
[04:18] <ubuntuser_ba> blue translations is necessary
[04:18] <mako> killer :)
[04:18] <OgMaciel> he won an upcoming Ubuntu book whicj I'll be mailing to him soon
[04:18] <mako> very excellent
[04:18] <raphink> oo nice :)
[04:18] <mako> ubuntuser_ba: how long have you been involved?
[04:18] <OgMaciel> yup... he seems to have no life... hehehe
[04:18] <ubuntuser_ba> with translations or Ubuntu?
[04:19] <OgMaciel> Kamion we've been busy spreading the word... ;)
[04:19] <MarioMeyer> Kamion, we've been working a lot on that
[04:19] <OgMaciel> our wiki has been getting bigger too, thanks to people like ubuntuser_ba and lucasd
[04:20] <Kamion> well, I'm happy with ubuntuser_ba for membership; you're clearly working hard and it's a strong community
[04:20] <OgMaciel> 2 workhorses of the team
[04:20] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[04:20] <mako> absolutely
[04:20] <ubuntuser_ba> Kamion, thanks
[04:20] <Seveas> LorenzoSfarra, keep your 3-liner nearby, you're up soon
[04:21] <elmo> ack
[04:21] <OgMaciel> ubuntuser_ba congrats my friend!!!  =)
[04:21] <MarioMeyer> congrats, ubuntuser_ba :P
[04:21] <Seveas> welcome!
[04:21] <ubuntuser_ba> thank you
[04:21] <twilight> Seveas, ok..just tell me when I have to past them. (congrats ubuntuser_ba :) )
[04:21] <lucasd> ubuntulog, congrats.. :)
[04:21] <ubuntuser_ba> I am very happy now..
[04:21] <Seveas> twilight, about now would be ok :)
[04:21] <Seveas> ubuntuser_ba, you deserved it, keep up the good work
[04:22] <mako> ubuntuser_ba: your wikipage was excellent as well
[04:22] <twilight> Pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LorenzoSfarra - https://launchpad.net/people/lorenzosfarra
[04:22] <OgMaciel> Seveas I'll make sure he does  ;)
[04:22] <twilight> I'm 20 years old Italian guy. I'm student of Computer Science Department of L'Aquila University(Ita). I'm LocoTeam member of Ubuntu Italian Community, Member of Ubuntu Italian Translators, Member of Italian Documentation's group, Member of Italian Forum's group, Member of Italian Web's group and Member of Ubuntu Italian Planet.
[04:22] <mako> good combination of testimonials, description, and evidence of contributions
[04:22] <ubuntuser_ba> mako, thanks!
[04:22] <twilight> With some friends, I've carry out a reorganization of Ubuntu Italian Community. I'm very interested in programming, expecially with python. In python, I've written a simple program to move Italian Page from wiki.ubuntu.com to our (Italian) wiki.ubuntu-it.org.
[04:23] <Kamion> 07:53 <mdke> LorenzoSfarra (twilight) - he's the 4th member of the Italian locoteam group, and the only one not a member yet. he contributes heavily to translation work, on the italian wiki, he edits the main italian website and is a forum moderator. He has given a lot of time to the project for many months now, and is a really vital part of our team.
[04:23] <Kamion> (from /msg earlier today)
[04:23] <Seveas> mako, the NewMemberHowto seems to work, more of the people to show up this week show excellent pages :)
[04:24] <mako> excellent
[04:24] <Seveas> hmm, quite a good testimonial from mdke, that's not bad :)
[04:24] <mako> yes, also a very good page
[04:24] <Kamion> Italian Planet not quite so active but still not doing too bad
[04:24] <twilight> thank you mako
[04:24] <mako> quite a lot of text
[04:25] <twilight> Kamion, planet it's a new project..so it's in "development":)
[04:25] <jsgotangco> just like en planet lol
[04:25] <twilight> I believe that it will be more active soon
[04:25] <Kamion> it's only about as active as the English one. :-)
[04:25] <mako> hey.. i post something on planet.u.o every day :)
[04:26] <Kamion> same as above really, I'm happy, especially with mdke's testimonial
[04:26] <Kamion> brb, coffee underflow
[04:26] <Seveas> lol
[04:26] <Seveas> "coffee underflow" :)
[04:26] <mako> twilight: very excellent document of very excellent contributioons
[04:26] <mako> i'm thrilled to have you on board
[04:27] <Seveas> the italian team should be proud of itself :)
[04:27] <twilight> thank you very much
[04:27] <raphink> :)
[04:28] <mako> elmo: ?
[04:28] <elmo> ack
[04:28] <Seveas> now we wait for the coffee :)
[04:28] <mako> killer
[04:28] <mako> we can keep things moving.. kamion will catch up
[04:28] <Seveas> ok
[04:28] <mako> lucasd: go ahead
[04:29] <lucasd> My name is Lucas. I live in Maranho/Brazil. I've ever been a big fan of free software and I wanted to actually live it. So I started using Linux. Before Ubuntu, I have already used Slackware, Red Hat and Debian, and then, 6 months ago, I met Ubuntu.
[04:29] <lucasd> As an engaged community person, I did a lot of things I could to Ubuntu. For instance, I've been a constant helper at IRC and at Mailing lists, and tried to help with tasks related to our community. Also, I've translated a lot of packages to my native language at Rosetta.
[04:29] <lucasd> In the future, I wanna dedicate more of my time to Ubuntu, start to work with things I haven't helped at all. As an Ubuntu official member, I'll have more support  to organize and participate of events about Ubuntu, help with Brazil' regional sub-teams. And, of course, spread Ubuntu everywhere I can.
[04:29] <Seveas> twilight, please hang around, kamion still has to vote and will do that soon
[04:29] <ogra_ibook> Seveas, he did
[04:30] <ogra_ibook> Seveas, "Kamion same as above really, I'm happy, especially with mdke's testimonial"
[04:30] <Seveas> ah ok
[04:30] <Seveas> in that case: welcome aboard twilight ! congratulations!
[04:30] <twilight> Thanks all
[04:30] <Kamion> back
[04:30] <dholbach> congratulations! :)
[04:30] <MarioMeyer> congrats twilight
[04:30] <ubuntuser_ba> Congratulations twilight
[04:30] <ogra_ibook> congrats
[04:31] <Seveas> lucas, what is STOPy?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> no ponies as throphies though
[04:31] <lucas> Seveas: lucasd != lucas
[04:31] <ubuntuser_ba> congratulazioni, twilight
[04:31] <raphink> ;)
[04:31] <Seveas> lucasd, what is STOPy?
[04:31] <lucasd> Seveas, it's a game where a word is choosen and everybody who is playing has to give words starting with that word
[04:31] <Seveas> one of you, change your nickname :p
[04:31] <lucas> (but I expected to be highlighted quite a lot today ;p)
[04:32] <lucasd> so.. the STOPy is a game written in Python using GTK that simulates this game
[04:32] <twilight> ubuntuser_ba, grazie mille! and congratulations for your italian :)
[04:32] <lucasd> and, it uses the IRC to the communication
[04:32] <ogra_ibook> hmm, sounds intresting for edubuntu :)
[04:32] <MarioMeyer> ogra_ibook, brazillians actually play that a lot in schools
[04:33] <ogra_ibook> cool !
[04:33] <MarioMeyer> instead of watching the classes.. lol
[04:33] <Seveas> hehe
[04:33] <OgMaciel> hehe
[04:33] <ubuntuser_ba> in out of school too.. ;)
[04:33] <Seveas> lucasd, you should either avoid ogra the coming weeks or get that game into Ubuntu ;)
[04:33] <ogra_ibook> lol
[04:33] <OgMaciel> lucasd has, as they say in the street, some "mad programming skillz"  ;)
[04:34] <MarioMeyer> he tought me everything i know about PyGTK
[04:34] <lucasd> Seveas, we have a plan to include this in Ubuntu, but the project not quite mature yet
[04:34] <MarioMeyer> lol
[04:34] <lucasd> hehe
[04:34] <Seveas> lucasd, then now you have one more reason to complete it
[04:34] <ubuntuser_ba> hehehehe
[04:34] <ogra_ibook> yeah
[04:34] <lucasd> for sure..
[04:34] <MarioMeyer> :P
[04:34] <mako> the translations work looks very good
[04:35] <Seveas> yup
[04:35] <mako> as does the other loco team work
[04:35] <ubuntuser_ba> Ubuntu here in Brazil is very serious uf us.. ;)
[04:35] <Seveas> and the Brazil team is rocking quite hard
[04:35] <ubuntuser_ba> to us..
[04:35] <MarioMeyer> i think, together with ubuntuser_ba, lucasd  is the "real active translation team"
[04:35] <OgMaciel> Seveas right on!
[04:35] <OgMaciel> MarioMeyer agreed!
[04:36] <mako> OgMaciel, MarioMeyer: your feedback is helpful
[04:36] <Seveas> wb mhz
[04:36] <mhz> ;)
[04:36] <MarioMeyer> :P
[04:36] <Kamion> I hope we'll be seeing a few more .br people move into at least MOTU, with this number of people interested
[04:36] <mako> fine even
[04:36] <OgMaciel> mako thanks
[04:36] <Kamion> yeah, also fine with lucasd
[04:36] <Seveas> lucasd, so join the MOTU :)
[04:36] <elmo> ack
[04:36] <OgMaciel> Kamion it is one of my resolutions for 2006!  ;)
[04:37] <MarioMeyer> i'll start packaging soon
[04:37] <ogra_ibook> lucasd, welcome aboard
[04:37] <Seveas> lucasd, Congrats!
[04:37] <OgMaciel> lucasd congrats!
[04:37] <lucasd> thanks very much :)
[04:37] <jsgotangco> congratulations
[04:37] <MarioMeyer> congrats lucasd
[04:37] <lucasd> all of you =]
[04:37] <Seveas> ubuntu-br++ :)
[04:37] <raphink> :)
[04:37] <ubuntuser_ba> "Parabns"  Lucas
[04:37] <mako> lets move on
[04:37] <Seveas> Brian Burger / Madpilot
[04:37] <mako> Madpilot
[04:37] <OgMaciel> jsgotangco hehehe
[04:37] <Madpilot> I'm here, have caffeine even... :P
[04:38] <ubuntuser_ba> jsgotangco, you are welcome!
[04:38] <OgMaciel> jsgotangco we can always use help
[04:38] <MarioMeyer> jsgotangco, u'll be welcome here :P
[04:38] <Madpilot> Madpilot's Obligatory Three-Liner... Ubuntu wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Madpilot LP: https://launchpad.net/people/yh728
[04:38] <Seveas> Madpilot cool, then give us the 3-liner :)
[04:38] <Madpilot> My name is Brian Burger. I've been using Linux only since May/05, and contributing to the Ubuntu project nearly as long, mostly on the wiki and DocTeam projects - I can't program, but I *can* proofread, edit and document. I've helped rewrite a couple of sections of the Desktop Guide, including the whole CD burning section. I'm also involved in the Canadian LoCo Team & Marketing.
[04:38] <Madpilot> I try to provide intelligent feedback from a new-to-Linux-but-learning-fast perspective, and in between that there's always typos on the wiki to hunt down and kill!
[04:38] <dholbach> Madpilot: so you're responsible for those 24679246 wiki mails i get from you per week? :)
[04:38] <Seveas> Madpilot is also quite active on IRC
[04:38] <Seveas> active and helpful even :)
[04:39] <jsgotangco> no that's the other Burger heh
[04:39] <Madpilot> hmm, yeah, I left the IRC stuff out of the three liner, didn't I?
[04:39] <mako> OgMaciel: thanks for showing up
[04:39] <ubuntuser_ba> Thansk OgMaciel
[04:39] <OgMaciel> mako always a pleasurew
[04:39] <ubuntuser_ba> *thanks
[04:39] <Seveas> Madpilot, how active are you on the forums?
[04:39] <Madpilot> dholbach: that's probably my younger brother, Corey/Burgundavia - he's noisier that me...
[04:39] <lucasd> OgMaciel, thanks very much :)
[04:39] <raphink> bye OgMaciel
[04:39] <OgMaciel> later guys...
[04:39] <Madpilot> Seveas: middling active, mostly on the Gnome Desktop & Absolute Beginners sections
[04:40] <dholbach> Madpilot: you're quite active too :)
[04:40] <mako> is there anyone from the docteam with a testimonial?
[04:40] <jsgotangco> +1 he's been very active in doc/wiki
[04:40] <Seveas> we need more forum - CC meeting interaction, it would help if you join the CC meetings more often when there are forum issues so you can feed them back there
[04:40] <mhz> As a Moin fan, I can tell Madpilot has been doing a really awsome work on wiki keeping
[04:40] <Kamion> the wiki being what it is, it's hard to tell exactly which parts of that are your writing style, but I like it anyway
[04:40] <jsgotangco> he may not be the greatest docbook author out there, but he does help everyday
[04:40] <Kamion> (-> Madpilot)
[04:40] <Seveas> jsgotangco, nice
[04:41] <jsgotangco> another Burger won't hurt
[04:41] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:41] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: :P
[04:41] <raphink> lol
[04:41] <jsgotangco> dholbach, make that x2 of the mails we receive then
[04:41] <ogra_ibook> heh
[04:42] <dholbach> :)
[04:42] <mako> jsgotangco: nepotism has no place in our project
[04:42] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:43] <Seveas> hmm
[04:43] <Kamion> well, the things I've been browsing through on the wiki for five minutes look pretty good
[04:44] <mako> ditto
[04:44] <Kamion> and I'm definitely keen to encourage people who are relatively new to free software and are writing documentation
[04:44] <mhz> I think Madpilot has been very efficient
[04:44] <jsgotangco> oh he's been here for a very long time
[04:44] <mako> i also appreciate the irc support work althought that's harder for me to gugage
[04:44] <jsgotangco> he's been very very visible as well
[04:44] <Kamion> since the programmers here will know that it's very very hard to try to think yourself back to the point where you *didn't* understand things when writing documentation
[04:44] <Seveas> mako, he's one of the good guys in #ubuntu

[04:45] <elmo> ack
[04:45] <jsgotangco> weeee
[04:45] <mako> is manu around?
[04:46] <Kamion> Seveas: I certainly wouldn't object if he's willing
[04:46] <elmo> is the stuff on http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/ getting integrated into gnome?
[04:46] <ogra_ibook> doesnt look like
[04:46] <mako> alright
[04:46] <ogra_ibook> elmo, yup
[04:46] <Kamion> Madpilot: could you please visit https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join to propose yourself for membership of the relevant team?
[04:46] <mako> nice hackergotchi picture
[04:46] <Seveas> lllmanulll
[04:46] <Madpilot> Seveas: let me know, I'm willing to op if needed...
[04:46] <mako> elmo: no idea
[04:46] <Madpilot> Kamion: doing that right now
[04:47] <Seveas> Madpilot, when needed, I'll poke :)
[04:47] <mako> alright...
[04:47] <mako> azeem is next?
[04:47] <ogra_ibook> elmo, its all in already ...
[04:47] <Kamion> Madpilot: thanks
[04:47] <dholbach> lllmanulll can't be here - did the meeting time change?
[04:47] <Seveas> no
[04:47] <Madpilot> Kamion: done
[04:47] <mako> i feel like i've approved azeem as a member like 3 times
[04:47] <elmo> ogra: sweet
[04:47] <Seveas> there was an error at the wiki though
[04:48] <raphink> dholbach: yes a few weeks ago
[04:48] <mako> :)
[04:48] <Kamion> I thought we'd approved azeem before, but maybe it was only 2/4
[04:48] <azeem> Kamion: one time, we timed out
[04:48] <azeem> the other time, I was /away
[04:48] <dholbach> that's at least, what he said. If he'd been here, I'd been happy to give a testimonial.
[04:48] <azeem> I never got to even paste my 3-liner
[04:48] <mako> azeem: we can make it official then
[04:48] <Seveas> azeem, ah right, you were ok with postponing
[04:48] <mako> azeem: well hurry up :)
[04:48] <Seveas> azeem, well, give us the 3-lineer now then :)
[04:48] <Kamion> oh, you were at a christmas party last time
[04:48] <azeem> I am Michael Banck, a 28 year old chemistry PhD student from Munich, Germany.  My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelBanck and my LaunchPad page at https://launchpad.net/people/mbanck
[04:49] <azeem> I have been using GNU/Linux for almost ten years and Ubuntu for about one year now (and maintain my parent's desktop since October 2004).  I am a Debian Developer as well. I do various things for Debian but plan to do mainly scientific/chemistry related work for Ubuntu as part of MOTUScience.
[04:49] <azeem> I have done so for some chemistry packages for a while now, by merging back Ubuntu changes to Debian and making sure the Debian packages build fine on Ubuntu as well. I also cared for multisync in Ubuntu in the past and recently joined lifeless and ajmitch for a more ambitious opensync/multisync effort for Ubuntu/Debian.
[04:49] <azeem> there.
[04:49] <elmo> I object
[04:49] <Seveas> http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/JPEG/xmms.png <-- the jdub icon!
[04:49] <elmo> his name is not Michael Banck, it's Ben Affleck
[04:49] <azeem> elmo: figures
[04:49] <ogra_ibook> lol
[04:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:49] <dholbach> haha :)
[04:49] <ogra_ibook> elmo, old one :)
[04:49] <azeem> elmo: I prefer to be called Josh Hartnett these days
[04:49] <azeem> anyway
[04:50] <dholbach> Let's call him Scarlett then.
[04:50] <sivang> elmo: LOL
[04:50] <ubuntuser_ba> Friends... i have to go..
[04:50] <Seveas> ubuntuser_ba, bye
[04:50] <mako> but is happy to have ben affleck on board
[04:50] <ubuntuser_ba> I'm hungry
[04:50] <raphink> ciao ubuntuser_ba
[04:50] <jsgotangco> another celebrity won't hurt eh
[04:50] <sistpoty> if I could vote: make azeem a motu tonight ;)
[04:50] <ubuntuser_ba> [] 's
[04:51] <ubuntuser_ba> Thank you... see u soon
[04:51] <ogra_ibook> sistpoty++
[04:51] <sivang> and what sistpoty said
[04:51] <elmo> (more seriously) happy to ack azeem
[04:51] <Seveas> Kamion, do you want Josh Hartnett on board?
[04:51] <Seveas> if so, then all of his personalities are welcome :)
[04:51] <sivang> who's Josh Hartnett ?
[04:51] <Kamion> yeah, I'm happy with azeem obviously, he's been low-level-around in Ubuntu since pre-warty and I'm glad he's wanting to contribute to MOTU now
[04:52] <Seveas> cool!
[04:52] <mako> excellent
[04:52] <Seveas> muchos welcome, azeem!
[04:52] <azeem> thanks
[04:52] <Kamion> (and he's clearly one of the good guys)
[04:52] <ogra_ibook> welcome azeem !!
[04:52] <lucasd> azeem, congrats! :)
[04:52] <sistpoty> congrats azeem
[04:52] <mhz> azeem: congrats
[04:52] <mako> i think RaphaelPinson has the first wiki page that has, and needs, a table of contents
[04:52] <raphink> I'm Raphal Pinson, a 23 years old french guy. (WikiPage : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaphaelPinson ; LP Profile : http://launchpad.net/people/raphink ). After having used GNU/Linux for about 3 years (mostly Mandrake and Debian), I tried Ubuntu in January 2005, but definitely switched to it in October.
[04:52] <MarioMeyer> congrats azeem
[04:52] <raphink> I've been involved in Ubuntu as a MOTU Helpful for more than 2 months, uploading packages to REVU, merging packages and reviewing packages on REVU. I've got 8 packages in Dapper through REVU. I also work on improving the MOTU documentation on the wiki, and help on IRC channels. I'm admin on #kubuntu-fr and #kubuntu-it. I'm part of the MOTU-Reviewers, Ubuntu French Translators and Kubuntu teams on LP.
[04:52] <raphink> I share the Ubuntu spirit and distro around me all the time ;) I'd like to become a MOTU to make more helpful contributions to Ubuntu, and just to be a member to feel more involved in the community :)
[04:52] <raphink> :)
[04:53] <Kamion> ok, see you in ten minutes when I've read that wiki page
[04:53] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:53] <Seveas> since the previous meeting, I've seen raphink being active a lot
[04:53] <dholbach> raphink ROCKs!
[04:53] <ogra_ibook> i'm astonished it took you this long to apply for member :)
[04:53] <raphink> lol
[04:53] <sistpoty> from raphink's work on motu-side, it's quite a shame he isn't even a member yet
[04:53] <Kamion> ichthux> I am INEXORABLY reminded of Jesux
[04:53] <Kamion> sorry :)
[04:53] <raphink> Kamion: argh no ;)
[04:53] <raphink> sistpoty: couldn't apply before, hadn't been involved long enough ;)
[04:54] <mako> Kamion: hm...
[04:54] <Riddell> raphink has done some great KDE MOTU work including reviewing others packages (much needed) so I fully support his membership
[04:54] <sistpoty> raphink: that was meant as praise ;)
[04:54] <raphink> ;)
[04:55] <Seveas> raphink, please review my package, i need one more advocate :)
[04:55] <raphink> Seveas: can't advocate yet I'm afraid ;)
[04:55] <Riddell> Seveas: he can't advocate yet, not a MOTU
[04:55] <dholbach> raphink didn't need to be told what to do, he just was there and started working in the team. I'm completely happy with him as a member (and MOTU soon) too.
[04:56] <Seveas> raphink, Riddell that'll change pretty soon I guess ;)
[04:56] <Kamion> certainly more Kubuntu-based MOTU work seems like a good thing; I haven't followed up all the links to packages but if Riddell's happy with him on that front then that's good enough for me
[04:56] <raphink> :)
[04:57] <ogra_ibook> i'm always impressed how he jumps in to help others
[04:57] <mako> sounds great
[04:57] <elmo> I'm happy with raphink for membershipbased on what I've seen of his packaging
[04:57] <raphink> :D
[04:58] <Kamion> raphink: could you please visit https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join to propose yourself for membership of the relevant team?
[04:58] <mako> patrick davies?
[04:59] <raphink> sure :)
[04:59] <raphink> with pleasure :)
[04:59] <Seveas> raphink, welcome on board :)
[04:59] <raphink> thank you guys :)
[04:59] <raphink> ty Seveas :)
[04:59] <lucasd> raphink, congratis! :]
[04:59] <lucasd> *congrats
[04:59] <MarioMeyer> congrats raphink
[04:59] <raphink> I'm pleased to be part of such a great community :)
[04:59] <sistpoty> congrats raphink
[04:59] <dholbach> raphink: i'm glad you're in the team. :-)
[04:59] <ogra_ibook> we are happy to have you around
[04:59] <Kamion> Brian Shumate?
[04:59] <raphink> :)
[04:59] <jsgotangco> bshumate, ping
[04:59] <bshumate> hi
[05:00] <Kamion> I have a testimonial for Brian from mdke, if he's here
[05:00] <bshumate> Greetings everyone! My name is Brian Shumate; I'm a 32 year-old IT guy, with about two decades of computing experience, and half of that in a professional capacity as a IT Consultant, System Administrator, and Technologist.
[05:00] <bshumate> I am also an Artist, a father of 2 wonderful children, and the husband of a charming wife.  I've used GNU/Linux now for about twelve years now, and Ubuntu is what prompted me to show my appreciation by giving back to the FLOSS world! :-)
[05:00] <bshumate> In the last two months+ I have been active almost exclusively in the Documentation Team, having contributed eight patches, and authored five Wiki pages.  I've provided some help in the #ubuntu IRC channel for the past two months as well. I am also in the final stages of preparing an Art Project which I sincerely hope will garner Ubuntu plenty of positive free press in the coming months!
[05:00] <mhz> raphink: yahoo!
[05:00] <raphink> mhz: :)
[05:00] <bshumate> In the future, I plan to author more Wiki pages, and guides for those new to Ubuntu, and assist the Documentation Team in any capacity required. I hope to also conclude the writing of an Ubuntu-related book that I have in progress at present. ;-)
[05:01] <Kamion> 07:54 <mdke> BrianShumate (bshumate) - has been contributing regularly to the documentation team for the last couple of months and in that time has produced more documentation than anyone else. He has contributed several passages to the serverguide for dapper, and several extremely high class wiki pages, mainly about security. He is a incredibly valuable member of the doc team.
[05:01] <Seveas> security documentation++
[05:01] <mako> nice
[05:01] <jsgotangco> OpenSSL wiki page
[05:02] <Madpilot> bshumate's wiki pages are excellent - the Bastille Linux one & Strong Passwords ones especially.
[05:02] <Seveas> i'm browsing through a few of them, they are great
[05:02] <mako> excellent work
[05:02] <mako> and mdke's recommendation is a strong point as well
[05:03] <Seveas> AllowUsers jhendrix svaughan
[05:03] <Seveas> DenyUsers wgates sballmer
[05:03] <Seveas> LOL!
[05:04] <bshumate> Seveas: ;-)
[05:04] <Kamion> bshumate: in the modern world you probably want PubkeyAuthentication rather than RSAAuthentication - the latter's protocol 1 only
[05:04] <Kamion> (reading the server guide)
[05:05] <bshumate> Kamion: good point there! I'll adjust it.
[05:05] <sivang> Seveas: ubotu ?
[05:05] <Seveas> sivang, the resident cluebot in #ubuntu
[05:05] <sivang> Seveas: ah nice
[05:05] <Kamion> I disagree with you about PermitRootLogin, but that's a long-standing argument we certainly aren't going to resolve here. :)
[05:06] <bshumate> Kamion: i personally use "without-password" ;-)
[05:06] <Kamion> also X11Forwarding is not a risk to the server, it's a risk to the client
[05:06] <ogra_ibook> and disabling it would break ltsp :)
[05:07] <Kamion> ogra_ibook: nobody's talking about the defaults
[05:07] <ogra_ibook> i know
[05:07] <Kamion> anyway, while I have some quibbles with the details, on the whole it's very clear and good documentation
[05:08] <sivang> Kamion: how so?
[05:08] <Kamion> so yeah, I'm fine with bshumate for membership based on what I'm seeing. More of the same would rock. :-)
[05:08] <Kamion> sivang: aboe
[05:08] <Kamion> above
[05:08] <sivang> eh
[05:08] <mako> same from me
[05:08] <mako> the docs i've looked through look great
[05:08] <Kamion> bshumate: oh, also, disabling password prompts can also involve disabling keyboard-interactive auth
[05:08] <Seveas> great documentation
[05:08] <mhz> Madpilot: so, I never got the part were you were accepted but ogra told me you were, so Congrats!!!
[05:08] <Kamion> (ChallengeResponseAuthentication no)
[05:09] <Madpilot> mhz: thanks!
[05:09] <bshumate> Kamion: noted. I'll spruce it up accordingly. ;-)
[05:09] <Kamion> bshumate: yeah, without-password is pretty reasonable and useful since you can configure sshd to give you an audit trail of the public key used to log in as root
[05:10] <Kamion> which can be useful on boxes with multiple admins
[05:10] <mako> elmo: ?
[05:10] <Kamion> (though you can do similar things with sudo of course)
[05:10] <elmo> ack
[05:10] <mako> that's it for my list
[05:10] <Seveas> ok, cool
[05:10] <Seveas> welcome aboard bshumate!
[05:10] <mako> anyone else here have other business for the council?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> weeee
[05:10] <lucasd> bshumate, congratulations! :)
[05:11] <Seveas> (and please keep on writing such good documentation)
[05:11] <bshumate> Thanks everyone!
[05:11] <mako> speak now or hold your peace for 2 weeks
[05:11] <ogra_ibook> congrats bshumate
[05:11] <MarioMeyer> congrats bshumate
[05:11] <twilight> bshumate, congratulations!
[05:11] <Kamion> bshumate: thanks!
[05:11] <mako> going once!
[05:11] <MarioMeyer> meeting ending early :P
[05:11] <mako> going twice!
[05:11] <MarioMeyer> not usual
[05:11] <bshumate> Congrats to all the new members! :-)
[05:11] <mako> *gavel*
[05:11] <raphink> :)
[05:11] <raphink> thanks bshumate
[05:11] <Kamion> hang on
[05:11] <Kamion> I have one thing
[05:11] <mako> damnit
[05:11] <dholbach> grats!
[05:11] <mako> :)
[05:11] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:11] <Seveas> I'm gonna make dinner, will write the summary later
[05:11] <mako> Kamion: ok
[05:11] <Madpilot> yeah, congrats to all, and thanks!
[05:11] <mhz> bshumate: google!!!
[05:11] <Seveas> ahm Kamion has to spoil it :p
[05:12] <Kamion> we have some, er, notable people on the lp proposed members list
[05:12] <bshumate> mhz: hmm?
[05:12] <mako> Kamion: ahh.. good point
[05:12] <MarioMeyer> just 1 thing.. a brazillian member wants to buy kubuntu-br.org and start using it.. does the CC have anything agains it?
[05:12] <Kamion> Jane Weideman, Jeff Waugh
[05:12] <mako> ah,
[05:12] <Kamion> anyone object to me just setting those to approved?
[05:12] <mhz> bshumate: congrats! it's just that i told raphink 'yahoo' :D
[05:12] <elmo> no
[05:12] <dholbach> Kamion: we should interrogate both of them. :-)
[05:13] <mako> jeff and jane sound fine
[05:13] <Seveas> dholbach, agreed
[05:13] <Kamion> I think it's pretty obvious they've been making sustained and significant contributions :-)
[05:13] <ogra_ibook> heh
[05:13] <Seveas> Kamion, someone should prune that list too
[05:13] <Riddell> MarioMeyer: ideally they'd get canonical to buy it
[05:13] <mako> i think we can bend the rules for those two :)
[05:13] <Seveas> I've been poking them a few months ago
[05:13] <bshumate> mhz: ahh. thanks! :-)
[05:14] <mako> Kamion: are you approving folks?
[05:14] <mhz> bye all
[05:14] <mako> Kamion: in lp?
[05:14] <Kamion> mako: yeah, I think I've done everyone approved this meeting
[05:14] <mhz> Congrats to everyone in
[05:14] <Riddell> MarioMeyer: who wants to buy it and for what purpose?
[05:14] <Kamion> if I've missed anyone as of now, please let me know
[05:14] <twilight> bye mhz, thank you
[05:14] <mako> Kamion: cool
[05:14] <MarioMeyer> it's a new member..
[05:14] <mako> alright then
[05:14] <mako> i should find my way to work
[05:14] <Seveas> have fun
[05:15] <MarioMeyer> he says he uses kubuntu and havend seen any kubuntu work in the brazillian group
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ok good night i gotta sleep
[05:15] <raphink> don't get lost mako
[05:15] <raphink> ;)
[05:15] <mako> i might as well have lunch first
[05:15] <raphink> "night jsgotangco
[05:15] <mako> one of those days :)
[05:15] <Seveas> see you all in 2 weeks
[05:15] <MarioMeyer> i just thought i should say something before he buys it
[05:15] <raphink> hehe
[05:15] <jsgotangco> errr what time?
[05:15] <Seveas> jan 24
[05:15] <mako> lets do it a bit later
[05:15] <Kamion> Riddell: can I get you to discuss this with MarioMeyer offline, and pass him on to silbs or whoever if need be?
[05:15] <Riddell> MarioMeyer: sounds great but please send him my way<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or IRC
[05:15] <mako> we've beenhaviing morning meetings
[05:15] <Riddell> Kamion: yep
[05:15] <Seveas> mako, propose a time :)
[05:15] <mako> 21UTC?
[05:16] <mako> is that as late as we can go for the UKer's?
[05:16] <mako> oh wait
[05:16] <Seveas> 21UTC is fine to me, that's 21:00 UK
[05:16] <mako> the GPLv3 meetiing is that day
[05:16] <mako> let me looks
[05:16] <Seveas> ah
[05:16] <MarioMeyer> ok Kamion
[05:16] <mako> no it's not
[05:16] <MarioMeyer> ok Riddell
[05:16] <Seveas> so, 24 jan 21:00 UTC?
[05:16] <mako> that time should be fine
[05:16] <mako> yes
[05:16] <Seveas> OK, then goodbye all :)
[05:17] <raphink> bye Seveas
[05:17] <Kamion> that's fine
[05:17] <Kamion> see you next fortnight
[05:18] <Madpilot> later, all
[05:18] <bshumate> good day all!
[05:18] <dholbach> later
[05:21] <raphink> argh just a bit too late jpatrick
[05:21] <raphink> :s
[05:21] <raphink> it just finished :s
[06:51] <Simira> gluffgluff