[02:38] <shawnz> i know the one in the offical wine apt source does though
[02:38] <shawnz> BlueEagle: he said he did
[02:38] <benplaut> anything that can run MS Office XP is not simple
[02:38] <Flying-Penguin> is there a nice program that helps me edit my gnome menues?
[02:38] <shawnz> his system clock is running slow
[02:38] <shawnz> Flying-Penguin: smeg
[02:38] <shawnz> !Smeg
[02:38] <ubotu> smeg is, like, totally, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:39] <Flying-Penguin> shawnz: I know what smeg is
[02:39] <BlueEagle> redghost: Are you dualbooting windows and linux?
[02:39] <houman_zhu> tarvid_: well whats the use of a config file really if you cant recompile it or something, i mean if you dont have the source who cares whats in the config file? im not sure really, maybe other programs need to look it up for stuff
[02:39] <benplaut> Flying-Penguin, you don't consider it nice?
[02:39] <Flying-Penguin> shawnz: sorry just couldn't remember name, saw you say it when I was running in term
[02:39] <Flying-Penguin> No I am going to try it! w00t
[02:39] <shawnz> lol
[02:39] <shawnz> its quite good.
[02:39] <linner> shawnz, where would i find the MPG player I just downloaded?  Again, I don't see it in my menu. :(
[02:40] <shawnz> things don't usually go to your menu.
[02:40] <shawnz> what was it called?
[02:40] <Flying-Penguin> apt-get not have smeg?
[02:40] <linner> let me go see... I've forgotten
[02:40] <yikes_ati> Hello! :)
[02:40] <shawnz> Flying-Penguin: add backports to apt sources
[02:40] <benplaut> Flying-Penguin, nope
[02:40] <BlueEagle> !repositories
[02:40] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:40] <linner> one moment
[02:40] <benplaut> but it's in breezy main
[02:40] <DaMi3n> Flying-Penguin, its got smeg in backports
[02:40] <houman_zhu> are there any games i can download for ubuntu? i dont have 3D accel , first person shooter or somethgin
[02:40] <Flying-Penguin> shawnz: add backports how?
[02:40] <shawnz> Flying-Penguin
[02:40] <houman_zhu> its friday night and im bored, any games people?
[02:41] <shawnz> read
[02:41] <unvs> yay. i'm getting 1400kB/s from archive.ubuntu.com
[02:41] <shawnz> !repositories
[02:41] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:41] <benplaut> houman_zhu, go to ubuntuforums.org , and go to the Hoary gaming forum
[02:41] <SuperTails92> Speaking of backports, it seems broken.
[02:41] <benplaut> there's a good list there
[02:41] <cevizoglu> unvs: jnethack
[02:41] <houman_zhu> benplaut: thanks
[02:41] <benplaut> houman_zhu, what kind are you looking for?
[02:41] <SuperTails92> As in, downloads fail.
[02:41] <Mez> SuperTails92,  ??? broken how
[02:41] <linner> shawnz, mpg123
[02:41] <unvs> cevizoglu: what?
[02:41] <yikes_ati> my ati card with ubuntu fglrx has only one resolution. (640x480)   I need a hint. link?
[02:41] <shawnz> then goto the applications menu
[02:41] <shawnz> goto Run application
[02:41] <houman_zhu> benplaut: something liek counter strike , shooting
[02:41] <shawnz> type mpg123 and click ok.
[02:41] <linner> shawnz, yeah it's not in the apps
[02:41] <Flying-Penguin> shawnz: thank you much! you know the ubuntu bot realy well
[02:41] <BlueEagle> houman_zhu: A first person shooter w/o 3d-accel? bzFlag anyone?
[02:42] <shawnz> linner: i know
[02:42] <shawnz> it doesnt add itself to the menu
[02:42] <shawnz> usually.
[02:42] <benplaut> houman_zhu, nexuiz... google it, then look in their forums for the linux installer
[02:42] <shawnz> goto run application
[02:42] <lisi> someone who uses 2.6.13 kernel?
[02:42] <shawnz> and type mpg123.
[02:42] <linner> shawnz, where do i find run application
[02:42] <linner> is that in terminal?
[02:42] <shawnz> its at the bottom of the applications menu...
[02:42] <svu> why is ntpdate run before network is up?
[02:42] <houman_zhu> its not my fault i dont have 3d accel, i installed it but my comp was crashing, apparently some bug in X org , i had to disable it
[02:42] <yikes_ati> anyone else suffering with an ati card?
[02:42] <test34> lisi, why ?
[02:42] <jims> Anyone able to help a Linux newbie with Ubuntu updates?
[02:42] <linner> shawnz, not on my machine
[02:42] <benplaut> svu: my queswtion is why is it there in the first place :P
[02:43] <linner> shawnz, i'm using breezy if that helps
[02:43] <shawnz> linner: uh
[02:43] <shawnz> oh
[02:43] <houman_zhu> yikes_ati: meeeeeeeeee, read the prev line i wrote, i hate it
[02:43] <shawnz> breezy
[02:43] <BlueEagle> jims: Not uless you tell us which problems you're having with ubuntu updates.
[02:43] <zorba64> jims: yeah
[02:43] <shawnz> havent tried it yet
[02:43] <shawnz> so wouldnt know.
[02:43] <linner> oh okay
[02:43] <linner> thanks
[02:43] <shawnz> you know how to get into the terminal though?
[02:43] <linner> yes
[02:43] <lisi> test34, I have "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'"  <-- this error on start-up.
[02:43] <shawnz> open that, and type mpg123 there then
[02:43] <shawnz> same thing
[02:43] <linner> ok
[02:43] <shawnz> just then you cant close the terminal :p
[02:43] <linner> i'll try that
[02:43] <houman_zhu> yikes_ati: i have X300 ATI, 128 Mb, and i cant enable 3D accel
[02:43] <svu> benplaut, is it bad to sync the time?
[02:43] <linner> oh... no?
[02:43] <linner> how come?
[02:43] <shawnz> because
[02:43] <benplaut> svu: i like short boots :P
[02:43] <crimsun> svu: it isn't (S40networking and S51ntpdate)
[02:44] <shawnz> the media player is running inside the terminal
[02:44] <shawnz> so
[02:44] <shawnz> close the terminal, close the media player
[02:44] <shawnz> thats how linux works
[02:44] <BlueEagle> Does ubuntu use devfs? o.O
[02:44] <crimsun> svu: I'm running Breezy Preview
[02:44] <crimsun> BlueEagle: udev
[02:44] <svu> crimsun, I'll check, just a sec
[02:44] <BlueEagle> crimsun: That was what I thought.
[02:44] <linner> one problem... here's what I'm getting:  bash: run: command not found
[02:44] <shawnz> um
[02:44] <jims> I got an icon on my panel that said updates were available.  It downloaded an update for ssh, python and the kernel.  After downloading, I clicked on 'Install' but the vernel version (per uname) remains the same...
[02:44] <shawnz> you dont actually type 'run application'.
[02:44] <lisi> BlueEagle, I don't know but my devfs still remains, I'd like to remove it :)
[02:44] <shawnz> that was the menu item
[02:44] <BlueEagle> lisi: When rolling your own kernel don't compile in devfs. It's obsolete and depreciated and not supported.
[02:45] <shawnz> you can just type mpg123 in the terminal.
[02:45] <linner> right... i just typed mpg123
[02:45] <zorba64> jims: reboot after a kernel update
[02:45] <linner> i did that
[02:45] <yikes_ati> the open ati drivers have no probelm with adjusting resolution on the fly just no accel with them. the fglrx drivers have accel but only one display resolution.
[02:45] <shawnz> no
[02:45] <shawnz> you typed run mpg123
[02:45] <shawnz> or run application mpg123
[02:45] <linner> no i didn't... i did type run
[02:45] <shawnz> or something.
[02:45] <linner> sorry
[02:45] <linner> :)
[02:45] <shawnz> yeah
[02:45] <lisi> BlueEagle, I can't find any match about devfs in 2.6.13 :)
[02:45] <shawnz> just 'mpg123'
[02:45] <shawnz> its like dos.
[02:45] <lundner_> whats the best player for mp3 and co?
[02:45] <linner> oh lord
[02:45] <shawnz> lundner_: vlc.
[02:45] <linner> yeah that's not what i was expecting...
[02:45] <test34> lisi, add /dev filesytem support in filesystem section and add also automatically mount at boot if it aint checked
[02:45] <shawnz> hands down
[02:45] <DaMi3n> lundner_, amarok
[02:45] <cevizoglu> shawnz: I don't think you can invoke mpg123 from "Run Application"
[02:45] <jims> zorba: I have but still same version.  I am looking at several steps in an Ubuntu forum, but not excited about tackling that yet...
[02:45] <lisi> there is nothing similar. I've checked alsa in pseudo filesystems menu. but nothig :(
[02:46] <shawnz> cevizoglu: oh?
[02:46] <lundner_> but the playlist is not good @ shawnz
[02:46] <shawnz> why not?
[02:46] <shawnz> term app??
[02:46] <shawnz> -?
[02:46] <lisi> test34, I'll chek it now..
[02:46] <unvs> my two favorite apps so far: amarok and synergy
[02:46] <lundner_> amarok is for kde or am i wrong @ DaMi3n ?!
[02:46] <crimsun> vlc's playlist is fairly difficult to manipulate
[02:46] <linner> shawnz, let's try this question instead... using Totem I get this:  There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[02:46] <shawnz> lundner_: doesnt matter
[02:46] <pussfeller> im trying to configure this logitech elite keyboard, and when I type double-quotes, i have to hit 2x and get  instead
[02:46] <DaMi3n> lundner_, its for kde but works in gnome yoo
[02:46] <shawnz> linner: well that means its started
[02:46] <DaMi3n> too*
[02:46] <shawnz> its just broken
[02:46] <crimsun> it suffices as a basic playlist, but there are much better ones, like amarok's
[02:47] <shawnz> and i cant help you there
[02:47] <pussfeller> ah this is screwed !
[02:47] <cevizoglu> shawnz: not to mention, that will only load one song at a time
[02:47] <DaMi3n> lundner_, get xmms for gnome only system
[02:47] <linner> shawnz, so where do I get the correct plugins?  through synaptic?
[02:47] <shawnz> no idea there.
[02:47] <linner> cevizoglu, i'm not looking to run music... video
[02:47] <DaMi3n> linner, do apt-get win32codecs
[02:47] <RedGhost> BlueEagle redghost: Are you dualbooting windows and linux?
[02:47] <unvs> linner: there's an article about that on the wiki i think
[02:47] <linner> shawnz, thank you :)
[02:47] <RedGhost> yes
[02:47] <DaMi3n> linner, do apt-get install win32codecs
[02:47] <unvs> !codecs
[02:47] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:47] <linner> DaMi3n, okey dokey
[02:47] <linner> be right back
[02:47] <lundner_> amarok is a very good player i guess ... i had it when i used the kde desktop i properly will take this one :-)
[02:48] <cevizoglu> linner: you've tried mplayer and totem?
[02:48] <DaMi3n> hes trying totem
[02:48] <unvs> isn't there a vlc for linux?
[02:48] <linner> cevizoglu, no... not mplayer... does it come bundled with ubuntu?
[02:48] <cevizoglu> linner: no
[02:48] <RedGhost> apt-get install vlc
[02:48] <DaMi3n> unvs, yes there is
[02:49] <unvs> nice
[02:49] <RedGhost> or the vlc-gtk or gnome or whatever
[02:49] <linner> cevizoglu, can i get it through synaptic?
[02:49] <Away_Lamp> can someone explain what the possible reasons for my wireless network card not working might be? i am fairly sure the drivers are working correctly, though i don't know how to check, but i didn't get any errors in the installation process, and it sees my card in networking options
[02:49] <DaMi3n> linner, : mplayer.hq
[02:49] <RedGhost> apt-cache search vlc
[02:49] <unvs> RedGhost: thanks
[02:49] <linner> cevizoglu, what's the difference between mplayer and totem
[02:49] <RedGhost> np
[02:49] <yikes_ati> Anyone think returning an ati card for nvidia is a good idea?
[02:49] <cevizoglu> linner: yes, in synaptic
[02:49] <linner> ok
[02:49] <linner> thank you :)
[02:49] <cevizoglu> linner: not sure, I don't use totem too much
[02:49] <SuperTails92> yikes_ati: Hell yes, AFAIK.
[02:49] <linner> ok fair enough I'll try to go get it now :)
[02:49] <linner> thank you!
[02:49] <cevizoglu> linner: I just recommend trying out both and seeing if it works for you
[02:50] <yikes_ati> lol - okay - i believe you are a genius and am going to return this difficult ati card pronto.
[02:50] <nalioth> linner: you dont have to pay for any of the software in the repos except with your learning time
[02:51] <linner> cevizoglu, there are so many choices when I type in mplayer in synaptic
[02:51] <linner> nalioth, I've got that part :)
[02:51] <nalioth> linner: get the mplayer that best matches your system
[02:51] <DaMi3n> linner, goto mplayer.hq and get source
[02:51] <linner> DaMi3n, you realize I don't know how to compile a source right... I've only been doing this for 4 days now
[02:52] <cevizoglu> ubotu, tell linner about mplayer
[02:52] <Lunar_Lamp> can someone explain what the possible reasons for my wireless network card not working might be? i am fairly sure the drivers are working correctly, though i don't know how to check, but i didn't get any errors in the installation process, and it sees my card in networking options.  i am fairly sure it's something simple though
[02:52] <nalioth> linner: for now, choose the mplayer in the repos that closely matches your box
[02:52] <DaMi3n> linner, just type ./configure make and make install
[02:52] <linner> DaMi3n, in terminal?
[02:52] <DaMi3n> or do what nalioth says XD
[02:52] <nalioth> linner: there's a bit more to compiling than what DaMi3n says
[02:53] <cevizoglu> linner, look at ubotu's howto on mplayer
[02:53] <linner> nalioth, that's what i understood from a previous forum
[02:53] <cevizoglu> er, the wiki on mplayer which ubotu gave you
[02:53] <linner> cevizoglu, okay :)
[02:53] <Flying-Penguin> GAH
[02:53] <svu> crimsun, it seems the problem is with networking script. It fails to init eth0 for some reason. While ifup eth0 works ok :(
[02:53] <Gobbla> umm how do you install .deb files?
[02:53] <DaMi3n> dpkg -i package
[02:54] <Flying-Penguin> DaMi3n: I tryed adding backports with deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports universe multiverse and it said it couldn't be connected
[02:54] <Gobbla> thx
[02:54] <Mez> Flying-Penguin, you sure you didnt make a typo
[02:54] <Mez> !tell Flying-Penguin about backports
[02:54] <benplaut> IcemanV9, i hate to say it, but Elive 0.3 still looks nicer :P
[02:54] <kurt> IcemanV9: are you missing the run application program?
[02:55] <DaMi3n> Flying-Penguin, : dunno mayb u did a trypo or got the addr wrong
[02:55] <gpled> will we be able to update to 5.10?
[02:55] <kurt> yes gpled
[02:55] <Flying-Penguin> let me try again
[02:55] <IcemanV9> kurt, it was planned though.
[02:55] <kurt> it was?
[02:55] <benplaut> kurt: if you have a problem with it, it's probably isolated... workes on mine
[02:55] <kurt> you have "run"?
[02:55] <linner> thank you nalioth
[02:55] <linner> cevizoglu, this is working... you rock man! :)
[02:55] <IcemanV9> yeah. it was mentioned somewhere in wiki or forum.
[02:56] <gpled> kurt: that will be cool. think this is the first os upgrade, that i did not have to re-install for :)
[02:56] <unvs> i'm getting a boatload of locale warnings during upgrade
[02:56] <Flying-Penguin> mez DaMi3n thank you guys
[02:56] <FaeWolfe> I have tried what it says in wiki to install java, and it doesn't work for me :(
[02:56] <init_6> FYI..(for those who are interested)... if you make a raid zero system and all hell breaks loose on boot edit your startup scripts (/etc/rcS.d/) and move evms in front of mdadm-raid and add a sleep 5 to the end of the evms script.
[02:56] <init_6> now to go get drunk
[02:56] <DaMi3n> FaeWolfe, do u have the bin file
[02:56] <zorba64> unvs: perl locale C stuff?
[02:56] <IcemanV9> kurt, however you can add it to the panel
[02:56] <unvs> zorba64: yea
[02:56] <kurt> IcemanV9: It's not the same :(
[02:57] <Flying-Penguin> smeg: Depends: python-xdg (>=0.14) but 0.9-1 is to be installed (help?)
[02:57] <zorba64> it'll come out in the wash by the end of it
[02:57] <FaeWolfe> DaMi3n, I get all sorts of errors when I even try to download it
[02:57] <cevizoglu> anyone know of a tool which will tell you all packages you've installed with apt-get?
[02:57] <cevizoglu> text-only?
[02:57] <kurt> cevizoglu: aptitude, dselect.
[02:57] <unvs> zorba64: so am i screwed? :)
[02:57] <flugh> what's a proper way to copy my ~ dir somewhere else? cp -p ...?
[02:58] <kurt> flugh: read cp's man pages
[02:58] <cafuego> cp -a normally works.
[02:58] <linner> one other question... how do I tell linux to use mplayer as my default for MPGs
[02:58] <DaMi3n> FaeWolfe, download it from java.sun.com
[02:58] <zorba64> unvs: no, the messages should disappear when it finishes
[02:58] <cevizoglu> kurt: I'm looking for something which will just print a list of all packages I've already installed...
[02:59] <FaeWolfe> DaMi3n.....what do I do once I download it?  (sorry still learning this stuff)
[02:59] <DaMi3n> then do chmod 755 filename.bin
[02:59] <DaMi3n> and then ./filename.bin
[02:59] <DaMi3n> how do u upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10??
[02:59] <cralost> somebody knows a gimp repository?
[02:59] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: dont want to make a .deb??
[03:00] <FaeWolfe> zorba....???
[03:00] <SuperTails92> Wha? It's still September, and 5.10 is out?
[03:00] <unvs> preview release
[03:00] <DaMi3n> yea they say the previe sth is out
[03:01] <flugh> kurt: sorry for the late response to the duh response. i know -p 'preserves'. wondering if there's a gotcha i may be missing
[03:01] <kurt> r?
[03:01] <DaMi3n> unvs, how do i upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10
[03:01] <kurt> recursive..
[03:01] <nalioth> !tell DaMi3n about upgrade2breezy
[03:01] <DaMi3n> tx
[03:02] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: make a deb from the java.bin file and install it
[03:02] <FaeWolfe> zorba...I don't know how to do that..................this is all new to me
[03:02] <trakatran> alguien habla espaol
[03:02] <trakatran> ?
[03:02] <nalioth> !es
[03:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:02] <cvt> i have doom 3 for linux;  what do i open the iso's with?
[03:02] <cvt> please
[03:02] <cevizoglu> anyone had any problems with upgrading to breezy on powerpc?
[03:03] <nalioth> cevizoglu: yes, may i help you with your ppc?
[03:03] <cevizoglu> nalioth: huh?
[03:03] <shawnz> :o
[03:03] <DaMi3n> nalioth, can i upgrade to breezy w/o its cdrom
[03:03] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: ok...have you done what Damien said and you are in the directory with the java file
[03:03] <shawnz> can run irssi from the rescue installer
[03:03] <shawnz> cool
[03:03] <nalioth> cevizoglu: yes, i've had trouble with breezy upgrading on my ppc
[03:03] <unvs> hehe
[03:03] <cevizoglu> DaMi3n: yes, you change your sources.list to the web server
[03:04] <nalioth> DaMi3n: yes you can, but i recommend having an install cd as 'insurance'
[03:04] <cevizoglu> nalioth: what kind of problems?
[03:04] <DaMi3n> nalioth, k
[03:04] <nalioth> cevizoglu: lots of small problems. i dont recommend upgrading for another couple weeks
[03:04] <cevizoglu> nalioth: like what?
[03:05] <FaeWolfe> zorba....I'm trying to figure out which version I even need to d/l from sun's site
[03:05] <nalioth> cevizoglu: lots of little irittants
[03:05] <reiki> is it unusual that fdisk -l does NOT list my hard drive? :)
[03:05] <nalioth> cevizoglu: you'd better be on top of your game if you are upgrading now
[03:05] <nalioth> reiki: yes
[03:06] <Fr0Gs> clear
[03:06] <cevizoglu> nalioth: lol, now I have to upgrade  :D
[03:06] <FaeWolfe> zorba....do I need the rpm or the other one ?
[03:06] <benkong2> why does this not work? get permission denied "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -Bw -Dndiswrapper -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && dhclient wlan0"
[03:06] <reiki> nalioth: well obviously my hard drive is working... and ther's only just the one hard drive... but fdisk -l does not give me any information on it
[03:06] <yikes_ati> reiki - there is a nice script out there to mount all available drives and partitions winmac_fstab
[03:06] <reiki> very odd
[03:06] <DaMi3n> umm the update seems to be unable to find many packages
[03:06] <benkong2> This does work "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && sudo /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -Bw -Dndiswrapper -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && sudo dhclient wlan0
[03:06] <nalioth> reiki: that IS unusual
[03:07] <nalioth> DaMi3n: what arch are you using?
[03:07] <DaMi3n> reiki, so sudo fdisk -l
[03:07] <DaMi3n> nalioth, arch??
[03:07] <yikes_ati> ubotu tell reiki about mount
[03:07] <reiki> yikes_ati: I'd have to say it's mounted or I don't think I'd be able to see any of the filesystem
[03:07] <yikes_ati> ubotu tell reiki about winmac_fstab
[03:07] <DaMi3n> reiki, r u running as root
[03:07] <DaMi3n> reiki, r u running as root/sudo
[03:07] <nalioth> DaMi3n: are you using amd64, i386, or ppc?
[03:07] <DaMi3n> i386
[03:08] <reiki> DaMi3n, that did it... odd that I could see my usb flash drive without using sudo
[03:08] <benkong2> aynone?
[03:08] <nalioth> DaMi3n: the server(s) im sure are being hammered
[03:08] <DaMi3n> nalioth, ohh mayb i'll try upgrading l8r
[03:08] <linner> cevizoglu, that worked perfectly once I uninstalled totem
[03:09] <cevizoglu> linner: how odd  :(
[03:09] <linner> cevizoglu, one question for you though...
[03:09] <rcec> I've installed Kubuntu 5.10 breezy tonight. Problem I'm having is that it will not allow me to get into networking and change the setting to get my wireless up and running. It keeps asking for adminstrator password. . . what gives?
[03:09] <linner> I know
[03:09] <linner> cevizoglu, i get an error message about fonts
[03:09] <linner> have you ever gotten that?
[03:09] <shawnz> rcec.
[03:09] <shawnz> you can get into a terminal
[03:09] <shawnz> sudo bash to get to root
[03:09] <shawnz> um, +i.
[03:09] <cevizoglu> linner: no, but someone else here might have
[03:09] <shawnz> then passwd to set a password for it
[03:09] <shawnz> then it'll work
[03:10] <linner> cevizoglu, you know what I'll try to fix it on my own before i ask for help
[03:10] <linner> cevizoglu, thank you for yoru recommendation
[03:10] <linner> :)
[03:10] <linner> oops your
[03:10] <cevizoglu> sure
[03:10] <benkong2> ping Seveas
[03:10] <rcec> I'll give that a try. . . . thnks
[03:10] <shawnz> ~
[03:10] <shawnz> um
[03:10] <shawnz> oops
[03:10] <benkong2> why does this not work? get permission denied "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -Bw -Dndiswrapper -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && dhclient wlan0"
[03:11] <shawnz> uh
[03:11] <shawnz> because the last two commands arent running in sudo?
[03:11] <DaMi3n>   404 Not Found??? is that just cos of server overload??
[03:11] <benkong2> This does work "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && sudo /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -Bw -Dndiswrapper -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && sudo dhclient wlan0
[03:11] <shawnz> benkong2.
[03:11] <benkong2> shawnz; yes
[03:11] <shawnz> `because the last two commands arent running in sudo?'
[03:11] <shawnz> you need a sudo for each, or quotes.
[03:12] <benkong2> oh ok the forum post gave the first command as an example
[03:12] <shawnz> because && starts a new command.
[03:12] <benkong2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31418 it does work if I add the sudo
[03:12] <shawnz> and sudo was the command.
[03:12] <benkong2> should I use +
[03:12] <loljesus> Hello!
[03:12] <shawnz> so you need to do sudo "command&&command", or "sudo command && sudo command"
[03:12] <cafuego> shawnz: the latter
[03:13] <shawnz> oh
[03:13] <shawnz> thought they both worked.
[03:13] <DaMi3n> nalioth, how do i revert baq to my old package state
[03:13] <tommy2> Hey guys. I'm back again, and I think I might need some help... I just downloaded Enemy Territory, and it's a .run file. How do I execute and install it?
[03:13] <nmatt> Hello?
[03:13] <shawnz> ...
[03:13] <cafuego> shawnz: Or pop all commands in a single shell script and run the shells cript with sudo.
[03:13] <benkong2> cafuego; shawnz, what's the difference?
[03:13] <shawnz> tommy2.
[03:13] <shawnz> open a terminal
[03:13] <nmatt> Guys. If I can get some help. I am a complete newbie with Linux.
[03:13] <shawnz> cd to its dir
[03:13] <cafuego> benkong2: sudo foo && bar *only* run 'foo' as root.
[03:13] <nmatt> And all I need to do is get my Wireless Card working on it.
[03:13] <benkong2> cafuego; ok
[03:13] <nalioth> DaMi3n: have you upgraded anything at all?
[03:13] <shawnz> type "./whatevername.run"
[03:14] <shawnz> @ tommy2
[03:14] <DaMi3n> nalioth, : no i just updated the package structure
[03:14] <benkong2> I figures as much since whenever I added the extra sudo's it ran ok
[03:14] <nmatt> >_>
[03:14] <DaMi3n> nalioth, : its givin too many errors so i dont wanna upgrade now
[03:14] <benkong2> got wpa working though just got to add this to boot
[03:14] <nalioth> DaMi3n: then change the order of your sed command to change breezy back to hoary
[03:14] <linner> regarding mPlayer:  I get an error message that says, "New_Face Failed.  Maybe the font path is wrong.  Please supply the text font file.
[03:14] <DaMi3n> k
[03:14] <linner> anyone?
[03:14] <nalioth> linner: anyone what?
[03:14] <nmatt> :(
[03:14] <benkong2> shawnz; is the ./whatevername.run for me??
[03:15] <linner> nakata, meaning if anyone can help me figure out this error message I'd be grateful
[03:15] <nmatt> Whoever helps me will be thanked. :P
[03:15] <nalioth> nmatt: we need info to answer your question properly
[03:15] <nmatt> oh
[03:15] <nmatt> haha
[03:15] <shawnz> no benkong2 ....
[03:15] <shawnz> i said
[03:15] <shawnz> '@ tommy2'
[03:15] <linner> nalioth, ok... what information can I give you
[03:15] <DaMi3n> nalioth,  sudo sed -e 's/hoary/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:15] <linner> regarding mPlayer:  I get an error message that says, "New_Face Failed.  Maybe the font path is wrong.  Please supply the text font file.
[03:15] <DaMi3n> will that do it
[03:15] <nalioth> linner: look in your synaptic for mplayer -blah- fonts
[03:15] <nmatt> Ok, I just installed Breezy Badger and my wireless card (PCI, Cisco Aironet 340) will not work.
[03:15] <benkong2> cafuego; shawnz; ok thanks I'll work on the rest of the stuff
[03:15] <FaeWolfe> zorba.try again?
[03:16] <linner> nalioth, ok...
[03:16] <linner> thanks
[03:16] <nalioth> DaMi3n: you have to specify 'breezy' (thats whats in there now)
[03:16] <nmatt> And I am pretty much a total newbie at anything *nix.
[03:16] <shawnz> herm
[03:16] <shawnz> does anyone know of a cd burner for linux.
[03:16] <unvs> does the breezy update automatically fix my grub.conf?
[03:16] <shawnz> preferrably one i can apt-get and one that runs in term
[03:17] <nalioth> nmatt: by installing breezy, you've jumped off into "under developement"
[03:17] <tritium> shawnz, cdrecord runs on the command line...
[03:17] <unvs> fix/setup
[03:17] <nmatt> :P
[03:17] <kaptaink> is there any way to change folder permissions to default?
[03:17] <linner> nalioth, see I thought the program would come complete with all the files it required... I didn't realize I had to piecemeal it
[03:17] <tommy2> If a file is saved on my desktop? What directory would that be?
[03:17] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: sure...how new are you to this...do you know about the universe repo in the sources.list?
[03:17] <shawnz> cdrecord?
[03:17] <nalioth> linner: in some cases, apt will get all you need, but some pkgs are a little different
[03:17] <shawnz> thanks.
[03:17] <nmatt> I assumed that, being a massively supported card, any release should have the correct drivers and such.
[03:17] <shawnz> um
[03:17] <shawnz> it burns isos?
[03:18] <nmatt> Any options I can take other than installing the Hedgehog.
[03:18] <nmatt> ?
[03:18] <benkong2> cafuego; question so does that mean sudo make && make install the last command runs as unpriviliged user?
[03:18] <FaeWolfe> zorba...............I don't know much about it at all........
[03:18] <zblach> haldo
[03:18] <shawnz> benkong2: yes.
[03:18] <shawnz> ...
[03:18] <nalioth> nmatt: you are using a "developement release" of ubuntu. things may not work well (If at all)
[03:18] <linner> nalioth, i'm realizing that... I'm just having a hard time distinguishing between a "need more software to work" error and a "choose the right folder dummy" error... :)
[03:18] <shawnz> okay benkong2, listen.
[03:18] <cafuego> benkong2: Yes, but that command should not be run EVER anyway.
[03:18] <cafuego> !tell benkong2 -about checkinstall
[03:18] <zblach> anyone here set up an ftp server before?
[03:18] <shawnz> 'sudo make' is the first command you run.
[03:18] <nmatt> So there isn't anything I can do about it?
[03:18] <shawnz> 'make install' is the second
[03:18] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: have u used the terminal...??
[03:18] <FaeWolfe> zorba.......I've had ubuntu on this computer about a month and haven't had alot of time to use it
[03:18] <nalioth> linner: "dummies" refuse to learn
[03:18] <FaeWolfe> zorba                  yes
[03:18] <linner> nalioth, point taken :)
[03:19] <benkong2> cafuego; thanks
[03:19] <kaptaink> is there any way to change folder permissions to default?
[03:19] <cafuego> benkong2: You would never run a normal 'make' as root and 'make install' would normally run as root, except doing that on ubuntu is extremely stupid.
[03:19] <zblach> !ftp
[03:19] <ubotu> I don't know, zblach
[03:19] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: ok...sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:19] <nalioth> nmatt: check this out: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[03:19] <shawnz> cafuego: why? :/
[03:19] <nmatt> Shall do. :)
[03:19] <cafuego> !tell shawnz -about checkinstall
[03:20] <shawnz> sigh
[03:20] <funkyHat> would using polypaudio solve the problem i have with esd, which is sound is delayed by over 1 second
[03:20] <shawnz> making me open links eh?
[03:20] <shawnz> :p
[03:20] <funkyHat> ?
[03:20] <tommy2> So I have opened a terminal. Whatever that is... ? Now I need to point it to my file correct? :\
[03:20] <FaeWolfe> zorba....ok   now what
[03:20] <shawnz> sigh.
[03:20] <cafuego> shawnz: Whatever you like. Telnet works too.
[03:20] <benkong2> cafuego; guess i'll get out of this newbie state as I learn from this great community of helpful folk.
[03:20] <shawnz> someone tell tommy2 what a terminal is.
[03:20] <Her0_42> ubuntuguide.org
[03:20] <Her0_42> i learned a ton from it
[03:20] <Sym|Away> Holy sweetness, auto-package is cool.
[03:21] <tommy2> I'm sorry... :( I'm completely new to this.
[03:21] <tritium> !tell Her0_42 -about ubuntuguide
[03:21] <benkong2> Her0_42; I did also just this wireless ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant were kicking my teeth
[03:21] <SuperTails92> !tell tommy2 about terminal
[03:21] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: remove the # from in front of the line referring to the unsupported universe repo
[03:21] <nalioth> !tell tommy2 about cli
[03:21] <cevizoglu> ubotu, tell tommy2 about terminal
[03:21] <funkyHat> SymGeosis, yes, it is :)
[03:21] <adiiidas> is there a way to turn on wireless lan in the ubuntu live cd?
[03:22] <Her0_42> ah
[03:22] <nmatt> Would the Cisco Aironet 340 be listed under its own category or under another Cisco card?
[03:22] <Her0_42> system>administration>networking and configure and enable it
[03:22] <nmatt> I used the Live CD and it worked perfectly.
[03:22] <zorba64> FaeWolfe: ..looks similar to this one: deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:22] <shawnz> sheesh
[03:23] <shawnz> pft
[03:24] <SymGeosis> Hey! Lynx is great.
[03:24] <shawnz> what else is there to use thats decent
[03:24] <SymGeosis> shawnz, elinks.
[03:24] <cevizoglu> you mean text-only?
[03:24] <shawnz> yes cevizoglu
[03:24] <Xorlev> Whoa I'm in shock. My shipit CDs finally came.
[03:24] <shawnz> lol Xorlev
[03:24] <benkong2> cafuego; auto-apt a good idea?
[03:25] <nalioth> shawnz: can you compile?
[03:25] <shawnz> elinks is in apt
[03:25] <Xorlev> Only took 2 months.
[03:25] <shawnz> ill go with that for now
[03:25] <cevizoglu> shawnz: I hate text-only browsers
[03:25] <shawnz> lol indeed Xorlev
[03:25] <shawnz> cevizoglu.
[03:25] <shawnz> 1) they rock
[03:25] <shawnz> 2) x broke
[03:25] <benplaut> what's the BASH command to pause? i thought it was 'wait', but it's not working...
[03:25] <SymGeosis> cevizoglu, they have their uses, like when X breaks.
[03:25] <shawnz> :p
[03:26] <SymGeosis> or when one wants to compile their own system from the ground up.
[03:26] <shawnz> SymGeosis: breathtaking
[03:26] <unvs> ok. reboot-time
[03:26] <shawnz> :p
[03:26] <unvs> wish me luck
[03:26] <Xorlev> Or when downloading off weirdly linked mirrors that wget doesn't like.
[03:26] <shawnz> (elinks)
[03:26] <nalioth> shawnz: have a look at links.twibright.com
[03:26] <shawnz> :D
[03:26] <shawnz> nalioth: without a browser? :p
[03:26] <shawnz> well ive got elinks and it works
[03:26] <shawnz> and its in apt.
[03:26] <cevizoglu> SymGeosis: I thought lynx was just an excuse for people to stay only in their terminal all day
[03:26] <shawnz> wtf?
[03:26] <shawnz> thats the best kind of day.
[03:26] <crimsun> elinks kills lynx imo
[03:27] <shawnz> indeed
[03:27] <war-totem> anyone ever come across something like this: Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:27] <war-totem>  gaim
[03:27] <war-totem> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:27] <cevizoglu> SynGeosis: It was a joke about lynx.. I like it when X breaks  :)
[03:27] <war-totem> this is at an apt-get
[03:27] <dabaR> Do you guys know whether cplay can be made to play mp4/m4a/aac files?
[03:28] <SymGeosis> shawnz, you can try out links2 if you like, however it crashes constantly for me.
[03:28] <nalioth> dabaR: have you checked the config script in the source?
[03:28] <nalioth> SymGeosis: links.twibright.com
[03:28] <soultaker> hello to all
[03:28] <dabaR> nalioth: no, not at all.
[03:29] <SymGeosis> nalioth, I think I already mentioned links...
[03:29] <soultaker> Anyone can help me with LMsensors I just install it but is not working to Gdesklets
[03:29] <SymGeosis> Or perhaps you missed it?
[03:29] <nalioth> SymGeosis: that URL is the home of links2
[03:30] <SymGeosis> Yes, yes indeed. I shall clarify. I think I already mentioned links2.
[03:30] <cafuego> Well, isn't that shitty.
[03:30] <soultaker> Anyone can help me with LMsensors I just install it but is not working to Gdesklets <---- I am Newby
[03:31] <shawnz> its missing one thing
[03:31] <shawnz> image viewing :D
[03:31] <SymGeosis> shawnz, elinks can do that. elinks -g IIRC.
[03:31] <shawnz> :O
[03:31] <shawnz> how
[03:31] <DaMi3n> will it be possible to upgrade frm 5.04 to 5.10 when its released in oct??
[03:31] <tritium> SymGeosis, why not a dentist or a endocrinologist?
[03:31] <mik3> how do i put stuff on a floppy disk
[03:32] <tritium> s/a/an
[03:32] <cevizoglu> is elinks related to links by any chance?
[03:32] <shawnz> jesus
[03:32] <nalioth> cevizoglu: and lynx, also
[03:32] <shawnz> ctrl+c messes up the rescue kernel
[03:32] <SymGeosis> tritium, why not?
[03:32] <tritium> But why a person, anyway?
[03:32] <cevizoglu> nalioth: you mean forkwise?
[03:32] <SymGeosis> cevizoglu, Yes. It's a fork.
[03:32] <mik3> how do i put stuff on a floppy disk in ubuntu please
[03:32] <svu> hwclock --show returns "Timed out waiting for time change". What would this mean?
[03:32] <cevizoglu> mik3: cp
[03:33] <SymGeosis> cevizoglu, it was started mainly for bug-fixes and such that were taking too long to be implemented in links2.
[03:33] <mik3> but how do i mount the floppy drive
[03:33] <ssdd65> now is hyperthreading somthing i need some kind of driver for or is it hardware based?
[03:33] <cevizoglu> mik3: mount?
[03:33] <mik3> obviously, what's the syntax
[03:33] <DaMi3n> mike goto /media
[03:33] <cafuego> mik3: Depends on the floppy format; if it's FAT (dos) easiest would be to install mtools and use 'mcopy <file> a:'
[03:33] <mik3> DaMi3n : do you know the syntax?
[03:33] <shawnz> ERROR at cmdline.c:96: Unknown option -g
[03:34] <shawnz> :/
[03:34] <DaMi3n> mik3, open /media/floppy in nautilus
[03:34] <soultaker> anyone can tell me how to configurate the lm-sensors ?..
[03:34] <mik3> well im trying to put a zip file with drivers onto a floppy drive to use on a windows box
[03:34] <cevizoglu> mik3: mount -t format /dev/device /mnt/yourfolder
[03:34] <cafuego> mik3: mtools it is, then.
[03:34] <DaMi3n> cevizoglu, i think it'll already be mounted
[03:34] <cafuego> mik3: cevizoglu is just being difficult.
[03:34] <mik3>  Ignoring ALL messages from cevizoglu!*@*
[03:34] <mik3> i know
[03:34] <shawnz> rofl
[03:34] <shawnz> owned
[03:34] <mik3> his pseudo-intellect is amusing
[03:34] <cafuego> mik3: 'sudo apt-get install mtools'
[03:35] <mik3> anyways thanks for those people who were helpful
[03:35] <Ali`G> hey all is anyone good with samba
[03:35] <Ali`G> ?
[03:35] <cafuego> mik3: then, 'sudo mcopy <zipfile> a:' (that assumed the floppy is already formatted). If not, 'sudo mformat a:'
[03:35] <soultaker> the brazilians dance good samba
[03:35] <Jared1> when i load up ubuntu on the boot disc (live cd)..it does a bunch of loading then takes me to a dos screen and says "A:/"...heh how do i load it up from there?
[03:35] <mik3> ahhh nice, thanks cafuego
[03:35] <shawnz> Jared1.
[03:36] <ssdd65> is hyperthreading somthing i need some kind of driver for or is it hardware based?
[03:36] <shawnz> *nix does not use '?:\' paths.
[03:36] <shawnz> that ain't the installer.
[03:36] <cevizoglu> ssdd65: both
[03:36] <DaMi3n> cafuego, cant he just use the gui
[03:36] <cafuego> ssdd65: You need to install the 686-smp kernel.
[03:36] <shawnz> ssdd65: it just spoofs two processors
[03:36] <shawnz> ah
[03:36] <cevizoglu> ssdd65: you need a hyperthreading chip and you need kernel support for it
[03:36] <shawnz> apparently you need a driver though.
[03:36] <cafuego> DaMi3n: that is SO slow; and I doubt floppies get automounted; the hardware doesn't support notification.
[03:36] <ssdd65> i have the chip just need the kernel
[03:36] <Jared1> So, what did I do wrong?  I burned the files and booted up the comp with it..
[03:37] <dabaR> cevizoglu: you know, lynx and text based browsers are used for things like universal access enabled programs, like, for feeding into the text reading device, for blind people, and such.
[03:37] <cafuego> ssdd65: it's sort of like a lobotomy, with the amputated brain pretending to be a full second brain ;-)
[03:37] <benkong2> cafuego; very good documentation thank you. I found more stuff there than ever. This will make my learning much better. again thank you.
[03:37] <cevizoglu> dabaR: if you read above, I was joking, joking!
[03:37] <DaMi3n> ok
[03:37] <cevizoglu> geez
[03:37] <shawnz> Jared1: no idea, but a:\ is NOT li/unix
[03:37] <shawnz> thats dos.
[03:37] <shawnz> do you have a dos floppy in?
[03:37] <[Spooky] > anyone have any tip in getting sound with amd64 dvd playback ?
[03:37] <SymGeosis> shawnz, I was wrong. Links2 supports graphics however, elinks does not (as far as I can tell)
[03:37] <dabaR> cevizoglu: still, you can know that fact, if you had not known before.
[03:38] <Jared1> no i dont...it was loading the cd and then went to that
[03:38] <shawnz> uh
[03:38] <shawnz> did it show an ubuntu logo.
[03:38] <shawnz> and ask you to hit enter
[03:38] <SymGeosis> shawnz, and as I said, the command was links2 -g
[03:38] <Jared1> no it didnt
[03:38] <shawnz> then you have a floppy disk in. take it out.
[03:38] <Jared1> no floppy in..
[03:38] <Jared1> ive never even used a floppy on this comp
[03:38] <nalioth> dabaR: if you get the source code and run ./configure --help against it, it will show you available options
[03:38] <shawnz> then you have a flash drive or something plugged in.
[03:39] <shawnz> trust me, that isnt the ubuntu cd.
[03:39] <Jared1> i have a usb coord plugged in but its not connected to anything
[03:39] <DaMi3n> shawnz, is it possible to avoid all the startup messages on boot and show a splash screen or sth like fedora/windows
[03:39] <shawnz> DaMi3n: i know
[03:39] <shawnz> hes talking about the installer.
[03:39] <DaMi3n> no i am asking another question
[03:39] <kairu0> i cant get japanese input to work in breezy. anyone used it succesfully?
[03:40] <shawnz> oh.
[03:40] <shawnz> yes
[03:40] <shawnz> its possible
[03:40] <DaMi3n> umm how??
[03:40] <Jared1> maybe i burned it wrong.  whenever i would burn straight from the iso as an image, my computer wouldnt read the cd after..so i unrared it and burned the files individually and this is what happened
[03:40] <unvs> looks like it upgraded ok so far
[03:40] <shawnz> you add some sort of graphical app to runlevel 1.
[03:40] <dabaR> nalioth: I have acquired knowledge that  need to get the mpeg4ip-bin package.
[03:40] <shawnz> cant use x though
[03:40] <shawnz> since that starts later
[03:40] <ssdd65> so by making my linux think it has 2 procs ht will work?
[03:40] <unvs> got a keyboard module error, but i switched driver from "keyboard" to "kbd" and gdm booted
[03:40] <DaMi3n> okay
[03:40] <SymGeosis> DaMi3n, try splashy.
[03:41] <Jared1> shawnz: whenever i would burn straight from the iso as an image, my computer wouldnt read the cd after..so i unrared it and burned the files individually and this is what happened
[03:41] <DaMi3n> SymGeosis, shawnz tx
[03:41] <nalioth> dabaR: rock on
[03:41] <shawnz> sigh
[03:41] <dabaR> nalioth: well, its not in ubuntu.
[03:41] <shawnz> Jared1: then you burned the wrong file or something
[03:41] <shawnz> trust me
[03:41] <SymGeosis> DaMi3n, np.
[03:41] <shawnz> that is NOT the ubuntu install cd.
[03:41] <Jared1> i burned ALL the files that were unrared together
[03:41] <nmatt> Guys.
[03:41] <zdennis> What is a good graphical cd burning software?
[03:41] <shawnz> listen
[03:41] <nmatt> This is really irritating.
[03:41] <shawnz> that isnt the ubuntu install cd.
[03:41] <nalioth> zdennis: k3b
[03:41] <shawnz> what nalioth said
[03:41] <zdennis> thx nalioth
[03:42] <Jared1> im telling you though, i unrared the .iso..okay?  then i burned all those files onto 1 cd
[03:42] <nmatt> I enabled the card in networking and everything, it IS seen by the OS, but it won't work at all.
[03:42] <nmatt> I can't log into Gaim nor use Firefox.
[03:42] <SymGeosis> zdennis, You can use nautilus to burn CD's if you have gnome.
[03:42] <shawnz> okay Jared1.
[03:42] <DaMi3n> Jared1, u burn iso to disk not unrar it and burn it
[03:42] <shawnz> but that still inst the ubuntu install cd.
[03:42] <zdennis> yeah, i run stock Ubuntu =)
[03:42] <zdennis> gots to have Gnome!
[03:42] <SymGeosis> zdennis, if you want a GTK2 burner outside of Nautilus I recommend GnomeBaker.
[03:42] <zdennis> thx SymGeosis
[03:42] <shawnz> oh
[03:42] <Jared1> i know damien, but when i burn iso to disk for some reason my comp wont even read the disk after
[03:42] <shawnz> lmao
[03:42] <shawnz> its not suppose to
[03:42] <shawnz> 8-)
[03:43] <zdennis> k3b will install KDE?
[03:43] <DaMi3n> l0l
[03:43] <shawnz> zdennis: no, just a bunch of kde libs
[03:43] <shawnz> indeed
[03:43] <unvs> is it just me, or do the fonts look MUCH better in breezy?
[03:43] <aru> Graveman is also an excellent cd burner
[03:43] <SymGeosis> zdennis, It doesn't hurt anything; It's just kinda annoying.
[03:43] <cevizoglu> anyone know a good app to fill up hd space?  got too much free space on here
[03:43] <Jared1> when i reboot the comp with a image disc though, it still boots straight to windows..totally skipping the disc
[03:43] <zdennis> SymGeosis, I am trying Gnhome Baker
[03:43] <zdennis> 4Mb of downloaded files is better then 112Mb
[03:43] <zdennis> =)
[03:43] <nalioth> Jared1: check md5 sums on the imaga and the burnt cd
[03:44] <zdennis> if I wanted KDE I'd use Kubuntu!
[03:44] <Jared1> how do I do that? =p
[03:44] <nmatt> Anyone have any ideas now?
[03:44] <ssdd65> so once this kernel is downloaded and installed what do i have to do to boot it.....
[03:44] <zdennis> nmatt,  what is your problem?
[03:44] <nmatt> ok
[03:44] <dabaR> nalioth: do you use cplay?
[03:44] <cevizoglu> nmatt: what, breezy?
[03:45] <tritium> ssdd65, if it's an ubuntu kernel, it'll be setup for you automagically
[03:45] <dabaR> I want to know where the cplay config file is.
[03:45] <zdennis> ssdd65, you did a install of another kernel from apt-get or from Synaptic?
[03:45] <Jared1> shawnz: when i reboot the comp with a image disc though, it still boots straight to windows..totally skipping the disc
[03:45] <nmatt> I've just installed Ubuntu and everything worked fine except my wireless card.
[03:45] <ssdd65> synaptic
[03:45] <cevizoglu> dabaR: might be in /etc
[03:45] <nalioth> davix: lol, i've never heard of it, actually
[03:45] <tritium> dabaR, dpkg -L cplay to find out
[03:45] <nmatt> I've enabled it and all, it located my network, and I figured it connected... but when I try and log into gaim or use Firefox, I get errors.
[03:46] <nmatt> So pretty much, my card is enabled an supposedly working, but it really isn't.
[03:46] <zdennis> Jared1, you may need to hit F2 or Del to go into your BIOS setup, and set your computer to boot from CDROM before Hard Drive (HDD)
[03:46] <zdennis> ssdd65, you should be able to reboot, and select the kernel from a list when Ubuntu boots
[03:46] <Jared1> I did that..and it says "Boot CD" when i restart..then still loads to windows
[03:46] <zdennis> nmatt, ah, that blows
[03:46] <ssdd65> ok
[03:46] <nmatt> lol
[03:46] <nmatt> thanks, I know. :(
[03:46] <nalioth> dabaR: ~/.cplay
[03:46] <cevizoglu> nmatt: if your networking is broken, something is seriously wrong usually
[03:47] <zdennis> Jared1, when it says that you have to hit Enter
[03:47] <zdennis> potentially
[03:47] <Jared1> if I dont hit enter it will load into windows?
[03:47] <dabaR> right, its not there, I put the example one there.
[03:47] <nmatt> Well, the weird thing is... It worked in the Live CD. ;-;
[03:47] <dabaR> we'll see how taht works.
[03:47] <zdennis> Jared1, yes i believe so.  Does it write like ten dots out...?           Boot from Cd ..........  ?
[03:47] <tritium> dabaR, dpkg -L cplay to find it
[03:48] <Jared1> I dont remember if it has dots or not...but I know after about 5 seconds of it sa ying that it continues to load into windows
[03:48] <zdennis> Jared1, typically you get x number of seconds to hit any key to boot fro mthe cd
[03:48] <DaMi3n> is there a download manager for ubuntu that can download using multiple threads
[03:48] <zdennis> if you dont hit anything it'll skip the cd
[03:48] <Gobbla> sudo: ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run: command not found
[03:48] <Jared1> great, let me go try that then
[03:48] <Jared1> thank you
[03:48] <Gobbla> whats wrong?
[03:48] <nmatt> BRB, I am going to mess around with it and try to get it to work. :P
[03:49] <cafuego> Gobbla: sh ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run
[03:49] <Gobbla> that did the trick, whats sh?
[03:49] <zdennis> is et-linux-2.55.x86.run even a file?
[03:49] <dabaR> tritium: ya, thanks I got the message the first time, that is how I got the example file...
[03:49] <zdennis> Gobbla is the Bourne Shell
[03:49] <Gobbla> zdennis: yeah?
[03:49] <cevizoglu> Gobbla: the basic shell
[03:49] <dabaR> tritium: thanks a lot.
[03:49] <Gobbla> ok
[03:49] <tritium> dabaR, sure :)
[03:49] <DaMi3n> is there a download manager for ubuntu that can download using multiple threads
[03:50] <zdennis> DaMi3n, multiple threads for the same file?
[03:50] <DaMi3n> zdennis, yes
[03:50] <shawnz> wget=best
[03:50] <shawnz> :p
[03:50] <zdennis> what shawnz said
[03:50] <shawnz> :D
[03:51] <DaMi3n> but wget is slow
[03:51] <zdennis> what? that is just crazy
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> wget aint slow
[03:51] <DaMi3n> but i need to have multiple connection to get a speed boost
[03:51] <paulproteus> cafuego: It often happens that servers limit the amount they'll serve per connection.
[03:51] <cafuego> DaMi3n: No it's not, it runs at whatever speed either YOU or the remote server can handle.
[03:51] <shawnz> DaMi3n: speed bost?
[03:51] <paulproteus> cafuego: Also, downloading the same file from multiple servers can be a great boost.
[03:51] <shawnz> um no
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> DaMi3n : called prozila, what you looking for
[03:51] <cevizoglu> DaMi3n: for what kind of download?
[03:51] <lsuactiafner> but wget is very good just trust us
[03:52] <cafuego> paulproteus: yes, that's what bittorrent is for.
[03:52] <DaMi3n> ok we have a proxy that allows a stream to transfer data at about 10 bps
[03:52] <Xorlev> Which command is it that lists other commands relevant to your arguement?
[03:52] <cevizoglu> DaMi3n: for system upgrades?  or just any file on the net?
[03:52] <shawnz> its not MULTIPLE servers paulproteus
[03:52] <DaMi3n> any file on net
[03:52] <cafuego> paulproteus: Spamming single servers that way is just bad.
[03:52] <benkong2> what does mapping hotplug subsystem do?
[03:52] <lsuactiafner> DaMi3n...
[03:52] <lsuactiafner> prozgui - A FLTK-based GUI front end for prozilla
[03:52] <shawnz> its just the same server
[03:52] <Xorlev> DaMi3n: 10bps?  Debian has teh program in the repos. Ubuntu does not seem to. Suggestions, other than just trying to compile the source?
[03:53] <zdennis> any luck Jared1 ?
[03:53] <benkong2> no I mean in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[03:53] <paulproteus> shawnz: Right, exactly.  But I wouldn't want to overload them.  Hence, download a bit by HTTP and the rest by torrent.
[03:53] <shawnz> I don't see the point
[03:53] <Xorlev> dabaR: Download the .deb off the debian repos and dpkg -i it?
[03:53] <Jared1> okay, i loaded it up with the CD inside.  it said "Boot CD : _" then i pressed enter..and it just sat there for a bit, with "_" blinking, and then continued to load to windows
[03:53] <paulproteus> dabaR: Step 1: add Debian deb-src lines to your sources.list.
[03:54] <shawnz> why not just get the http server to serve it through bittorrent.
[03:54] <paulproteus> dabaR: Step 2: apt-get build-dep {package}
[03:54] <paulproteus> dabaR: Step 3: apt-get -b source {package}
[03:54] <cafuego> DaMi3n: Whata craptastic setup. Is that guy an MCSE or something?
[03:54] <shawnz> Jared1...
[03:54] <paulproteus> dabaR: You end up with locally-built debs.
[03:54] <shawnz> because you DID IT THE WRONG WAY
[03:54] <shawnz> -caps
[03:54] <zdennis> Jared1, then that means, it doesn't recognize the cd as a bootable cd
[03:54] <shawnz> you extracted the iso onto the disk
[03:54] <DaMi3n> cafuego, no they just wanna limit our d/loads
[03:54] <shawnz> which means
[03:54] <shawnz> you dropped the ENITRE bootsector
[03:54] <shawnz> the part that actually STARTS the installation
[03:55] <Jared1> I know, but I dont understand why it doesnt.  I went to nero and selected "burn as bootable disc"..then I selected my .iso
[03:55] <cafuego> DaMi3n: yes, 10b/sec is GREAT for looking at websites too. *shakes head*
[03:55] <shawnz> so it just skips it and goes to wndows.
[03:55] <dabaR> paulproteus: looks very good. How about that build-dep, will that install the packages that are debian, or compile from source?
[03:55] <Jared1> I burned it 2 different ways shawnz, because both didnt work
[03:55] <shawnz> Jared1: then your iso is corrupted.
[03:55] <zdennis> benkong2, do you have a usb or pcmcia nic?
[03:55] <paulproteus> dabaR: That downloads build dependencies.
[03:55] <paulproteus> Things you need for the compile.
[03:55] <nalioth> Jared1: check your md5s
[03:55] <paulproteus> It grabs those requirements from Ubuntu.
[03:55] <lythia> jaredl: did you try doing burn image to disc in nero?
[03:55] <shawnz> he did.
[03:55] <shawnz> he just said
[03:56] <benkong2> zdennis; built in wireless in my HP laptop gets a usb interrupt though
[03:56] <dabaR> so it wont install nothing debian, great, thank you very much, I will tell you shortly whether I am listening to mp4 files in cl.
[03:56] <zdennis> benkong2, that would seem why the hotplug is in there then
[03:56] <Jared1> yeah I've done that lythia
[03:56] <benkong2> ok just that when I have no network connection it takes forever for it to get past that step
[03:57] <Jared1> do I want it to burn it as an ISO or a boot CD?
[03:57] <benkong2> I can hit ctrl +c and it goes ahead and boots
[03:57] <cevizoglu> benkong2: hit ctrl-c there if you don't need it set up
[03:57] <shawnz> bootable CD Jared1.
[03:57] <shawnz> actually
[03:57] <shawnz> no.
[03:57] <shawnz> iso.
[03:57] <lythia> jaredl yeah
[03:57] <cafuego> Jared1: nero -> Tools -> Burn Image; locate iso, burn.
[03:57] <benkong2> need some way...like my mac that in just a few seconds it knows no eth0 and no wlan0 and then just goes ahead and boots
[03:58] <zdennis> benkong2, what kind of hp ?
[03:58] <cevizoglu> benkong2: like editing your boot config file?
[03:58] <benkong2> also it would be cool if linux didn't get zv5000
[03:58] <zdennis> i have an hp laptop for work i am thinking of dual booting
[03:58] <benkong2> zv5000 HP
[03:58] <zdennis> most everything work good
[03:58] <zdennis> ?
[03:58] <lastnode> will my savage4 work with ubuntu?
[03:58] <lastnode> all other distros have hated it
[03:58] <benkong2> also it would be cool if linux didn't get confused when both eth0 and wlan0 are connected.. my mac never compalins
[03:59] <benkong2> I dual boot this one and I also run qemu for just the one prog I need for windoze
[03:59] <cevizoglu> benkong2: what exactly is your wlan0?
[03:59] <benkong2> wlan0 is the built in wireless port
[03:59] <cevizoglu> wow, cplay is nice
[04:00] <dabaR> benkong2: perhaps the gateway entries for your two cards are conflicting. You should have one gateway declared at one time.
[04:00] <svu> Why oh why instead of rebooting I am getting into something resembling init 1 root shell?
[04:00] <cevizoglu> benkong2: oh, huh.. my mac puts that as eth1
[04:00] <shawnz> svu
[04:00] <shawnz> power off? :p
[04:00] <benkong2> my mac does also
[04:01] <svu> shawnz, power off works ok. But I want linux to be able to reboot...
[04:01] <shawnz> uh
[04:01] <svu> benkong2, also root shell?
[04:01] <shawnz> init 6?
[04:01] <benkong2> my ubuntu box gives me wlan0 = wireless and eth0 = nic
[04:01] <shawnz> reboot?
[04:01] <shawnz> ctrl+alt+del
[04:01] <EvanCarroll> what cleans /tmp out?
[04:01] <shawnz> sudo kill -0 -1
[04:01] <shawnz> etc
[04:01] <EvanCarroll> is it a cron script?
[04:01] <svu> shawnz, on mac ctrl alt del does not work...
[04:01] <cevizoglu> EvanCarroll: reboot
[04:01] <shawnz> oh mac.
[04:01] <benkong2> svu; what about root shell
[04:01] <benkong2> I can have one in ubuntu if I need it
[04:01] <svu> benkong2, sorry, I mixed the subjects...
[04:02] <benkong2> ok
[04:02] <orospakr> how stable is breezy these days?
[04:02] <paulproteus> EvanCarroll:  It's an init script.
[04:02] <svu> benkong2, I mean I get root shell on console instead of reboot
[04:02] <shawnz> fs
[04:02] <shawnz> init 6
[04:02] <shawnz> !
[04:02] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, shawnz
[04:02] <shawnz> lol
[04:02] <benkong2> svu; how?
[04:02] <EvanCarroll> hrm, so every time i reboot an init script clears /tmp?
[04:02] <nmatt> No, Still doesn't work.
[04:03] <nmatt> So I am rebooting.
[04:03] <dabaR> nmatt: rebooting windows?
[04:03] <nmatt> ...
[04:03] <nmatt> No
[04:03] <EvanCarroll> paulproteus: I thought files stayed in /tmp for like 7days before a script cleaned them
[04:03] <nmatt> lol
[04:03] <dabaR> nmatt: what then?
[04:03] <nmatt> rebooting Ubuntu
[04:03] <svu> benkong2, I don't know... I am just getting there. :( no password, just root shell instead of reboot :(
[04:03] <nmatt> Because the darned thing won't work correctly.
[04:03] <benkong2> well atleast my wireless is working and I can go from home to office and work in both places
[04:03] <dabaR> bah...good luck. It did in fact on one occasion solve an isue for me.
[04:03] <nmatt> :P
[04:03] <shawnz> sigh svu.
[04:03] <benkong2> did you use startx?
[04:03] <nmatt> It bet it wont work for me. :/
[04:03] <shawnz> type init 6 !
[04:04] <dabaR> nmatt: chances are...
[04:04] <DaMi3n> umm i tried installing splashy
[04:04] <svu> shawnz, trying now...
[04:04] <shawnz> if that even works in mac
[04:04] <tritium> EvanCarroll, /tmp is in ram
[04:04] <DaMi3n> howevr it depends on libc6
[04:04] <nmatt> I ordered a bunch of CDs but none of the install CDs work. :(
[04:04] <DaMi3n>  splashy depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21);
[04:04] <dabaR> usplash is the name, I think.
[04:04] <DaMi3n> wot to do??
[04:04] <nmatt> I had to download/burn it to get it to work.
[04:04] <svu> shawnz, NOTHING happens
[04:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> Can somebody answer a question about tar.gz files?
[04:04] <shawnz> :O
[04:04] <svu> just another command line prompt
[04:04] <shawnz> try 7
[04:04] <Badtroll> Anyone know where to find the headers for the readline library?
[04:04] <shawnz> or 8
[04:04] <shawnz> or just 0
[04:04] <dabaR> Sonny_Wertzik: perhaps, you have to ask it first, tho.
[04:04] <shawnz> 0 halts kernel.
[04:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> hehe ok thx
[04:04] <cevizoglu> Sonny: what?
[04:05] <dabaR> youre welcome...next.
[04:05] <dabaR> heh
[04:05] <benkong2> Badtroll; synaptic search readline
[04:05] <DaMi3n> shawnz, i tried installing splashy .. it depends on libc6  splashy { depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21);} wot to do??
[04:05] <tritium> Badtroll, libreadline5-dev, presumably
[04:05] <shawnz> umm.
[04:05] <shawnz> apt-get libc6
[04:05] <shawnz> ?
[04:05] <pussfeller> there a way in vim to comment out sections in a file
[04:05] <DaMi3n> libc6 not there in repos
[04:05] <svu> shawnz, funny, init 7 kind of stopped the system, no shell any more ...
[04:05] <pussfeller> like in v mode
[04:05] <tritium> how much harder is it to type "what" instead of "wot"?  Come one, one extra letter?
[04:05] <shawnz> apt-get libc62.3.2.ds1-21
[04:05] <Badtroll> I found 'em ... thanks
[04:05] <shawnz> then
[04:05] <DaMi3n> installing that breaks my present package structure
[04:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> i typed ./configure in terminal....then im supposed to type make install accordind to the directions...but that doesnt work
[04:05] <shawnz> svu: then mac's runlevels suck
[04:05] <pussfeller> its the evolution of english in action mang
[04:06] <tritium> degradation
[04:06] <svu> shawnz, I belive so. The question is what I can do about it...
[04:06] <shawnz> dunno
[04:06] <shawnz> just restart.
[04:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> ./configure did unzip it tho
[04:06] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik: what did it say.
[04:06] <shawnz> 'checking for gcc...: no'?
[04:06] <shawnz> or something like that?
[04:06] <benkong2> svu; are you installing on a Mac ubuntu?
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> haha
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> that's great
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:/home/shared/qemu/linux$ sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> *hack the planet*
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:/home/shared/qemu/linux$ sudo su -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[04:07] <svu> benkong2, yes. Power G5 dual
[04:07] <nalioth> wtf
[04:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> 1 sec lemme try again so i can get the error msg
[04:07] <benkong2> cool
[04:07] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik.
[04:07] <nmatt> OMG
[04:07] <shawnz> just try this.
[04:07] <nmatt> IT WORKED!
[04:07] <benkong2> I ahve a G4 laptop I bought in 01-2005
[04:07] <shawnz> do this in terminal:
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> some things just can't be done with sudo.
[04:07] <nmatt> Rebooting actually WORKED
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> nmatt: ?
[04:08] <nmatt> >_>
[04:08] <shawnz> "sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ autoconf automake make"
[04:08] <shawnz> do that ^
[04:08] <nmatt> I was having trouble with my WiFi card, I fixed it. :P
[04:08] <tritium> bluefoxicy, sometimes you have to use tee with sudo to do what you tried in the first case
[04:08] <shawnz> @ Sonny_Wertzik
[04:08] <nmatt> So thanks for your help everyone. :)
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  su works ;p
[04:08] <shawnz> hmmm
[04:08] <tritium> shawnz, build-essential depends on gcc and g++
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  sudo su -c "command line"
[04:08] <shawnz> yes i know tritium
[04:09] <svu> benkong2, I got my G5 from IBM, as a resulf of 'linuxonpower' competition. I would never buy it myself:)
[04:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok it says.....          make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[04:09] <shawnz> ...
[04:09] <shawnz> i said
[04:09] <tritium> shawnz, then you don't need to specify them separately
[04:09] <dabaR> right, you needed to do make first, probably, too.
[04:09] <dabaR> just make
[04:09] <tritium> bluefoxicy, yep
[04:09] <shawnz> erm no dabaR.
[04:09] <shawnz> tritium: what does build-essential even do :p
[04:09] <shawnz> ive used it all this time
[04:09] <shawnz> not knowing what it is :p
[04:10] <benkong2> svu; cool hope you like it. one of the fellows in the shop bought a dual G5 with dual Dell 24" monitors $6G but it is nica.
[04:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> when i type just make...... make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[04:10] <dabaR> a list of packages essential to buiiolding from source...
[04:10] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik:
[04:10] <shawnz> DONT just type make.
[04:10] <dabaR> what does ./configure say?
[04:10] <tritium> shawnz, it's simply a meta-package that depends on others, such as gcc and g++, providing a basic development env.
[04:10] <shawnz> ah.
[04:10] <benkong2> anyone how to start gaim minimized to the panel?
[04:10] <dabaR> paste the whole thing to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:10] <shawnz> dabaR:
[04:10] <svu> benkong2, I like it with macos. But linux causes a lot of troubles :(
[04:10] <shawnz> s/he said already
[04:10] <dabaR> after you are done with shawnz , ok,. shawnz ?
[04:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> ./configure unzips the tar file
[04:11] <shawnz> sigh
[04:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> i can see it
[04:11] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik
[04:11] <dabaR> nope, the tar file needs to be done with tar xzfv file.tar
[04:11] <shawnz> TYPE "apt-get install build-essential" !
[04:11] <shawnz> sheesh
[04:11] <DaMi3n> ./configure unzips the tar file ..... wow really
[04:11] <benkong2> yeah I got 2 laptops so I just leave the Mac Mac and use the HP for windoze and ubuntu after I get out of the one course that is specifically for IE 6.0 i'll leave windoze for good.
[04:11] <h17m4n> is the mac mini any good??
[04:12] <shawnz> ...
[04:12] <shawnz> its not windoze.
[04:12] <shawnz> don't be a kiddy.
[04:12] <dabaR> send one messages, shawnz.
[04:12] <shawnz> erm
[04:12] <h17m4n> fanboyism
[04:12] <benkong2> one of the fellows has one and he loves it. he bought the rev 2 with 1 gig memory
[04:13] <h17m4n> hmm
[04:13] <benkong2> bad part is you can't crack them open for upgrade and the rev 1 ran much hotter. the rev 2 runs qool and quiet
[04:13] <kevogod> Why does the 386 kernel only support 896 MB of memory?
[04:13] <fiyawerx> hi guys
[04:13] <dabaR> Does one need to sudo make install?
[04:14] <shawnz> yes dabaR
[04:14] <kevogod> dabaR, Yes.
[04:14] <shawnz> but apparently there is a better way on ubuntu
[04:14] <TylerE> Does anyone know of a command line utility that can record from the soundcard for a specified time?
[04:14] <shawnz> wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[04:14] <shawnz> ^
[04:14] <neighborlee> hi..isn't  'export blah'  done in /etc/profile ......just wondering as the lines I added aren't being exported upon booting up...?
[04:14] <Jared1> hey guys - i tried burning it again and it worked hehee.  thanks =)
[04:14] <fiyawerx> would you recommend ubuntu to someone getting back into linux, used to use slackware for no good reason, and can't decide which distro to use after reading about 500 of them?
[04:14] <vu> Anybody using kolab server?
[04:14] <lythia> jaredl yay!
[04:14] <TylerE> like capture a wav file from the soundcard for say, an hour, then exit?
[04:14] <nalioth> dabaR: use checkinstall instead of 'make install'
[04:14] <zdennis> fiyawerx, i would go with Ubuntu
[04:15] <shawnz> neighborlee: doesn't export just set? :/
[04:15] <pussfeller> fiyawerx: either ubuntu or gentoo
[04:15] <zdennis> the install is piece of cak, and it works with almost all devices
[04:15] <nalioth> fiyawerx: yes
[04:15] <kevogod> !tell kevogod about checkinstall
[04:15] <zdennis> fiyawerx, don't 'use Gentoo if you are just getting back into linux
[04:15] <Jared1> i thought my ethernet card died, cause on windows i can only access internet for less than 30 seconds..but with ubuntu i can access it so it must be something wrong with windows
[04:15] <shawnz> fiyawerx: for sure.
[04:15] <shawnz> ubuntu is for everyone.
[04:15] <shawnz> everywhere.
[04:15] <shawnz> ever.
[04:15] <fiyawerx> nice, i think im going to give it a shot, it seems interesting
[04:15] <pussfeller> its the people distro!
[04:15] <kevogod> except iTunes people
[04:15] <shawnz> no
[04:15] <shawnz> its the human distro
[04:15] <fiyawerx> the pc is a newer hp media center pc im redoing, hope i wont have many issues with it
[04:15] <shawnz> :)
[04:15] <lythia> fiyawerx: it's very nice
[04:15] <reiki> fiyawerx: I was in almost the same boat as you are describing. I installed Ubuntu and I'm very happy. Had slack, redhat, debian, fedora... I like Ubuntu best
[04:16] <chavo> iTunes is for robots
[04:16] <shawnz> Ubuntu made me switch from windows.
[04:16] <chavo> we're humans
[04:16] <shawnz> I installed it for fun
[04:16] <fiyawerx> and hell im getting some friendly answers, thats a plus :)
[04:16] <shawnz> with fedora, i just dual booted and uninstalled it later.
[04:16] <shawnz> with ubuntu.
[04:16] <shawnz> it just stuck.
[04:16] <kevogod> Windows made me switch from Windows.
[04:16] <shawnz> then windows sort of left.
[04:16] <shawnz> :p
[04:16] <chavo> fiyawerx, we killed all the mena people
[04:16] <chavo> mean
[04:16] <DaMi3n> same
[04:16] <zdennis> I prefer Ubuntu and Debian
[04:16] <fiyawerx> is it hard setting up a dual boot with xp? (not looking for howto, just difficulty)
[04:16] <zdennis> although I want to put Gentoo on my laptop so I can tell someone i instaleld Gentoo on my laptop
[04:16] <zdennis> heh
[04:17] <shawnz> fiyawerx: quite easy.
[04:17] <chavo> not it's automatic
[04:17] <zdennis> fiyawerx, pretty easy
[04:17] <kevogod> fiyawerx, No, it is easy as hell. Just make sure you install Windows XP first.
[04:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> typing make install says     make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[04:17] <zdennis> fiyawerx, a little bit of fidgeting perhaps
[04:17] <shawnz> theres even a tutorial, 'how to return the Grub bootloader after installing windows'
[04:17] <fiyawerx> nice.. hmm
[04:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> what rule am i missing ?
[04:17] <zdennis> Sonny_Wertzik, try running ./configure   first
[04:17] <shawnz> and then ubuntu finds windows automatically and sets up a dualboot
[04:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> i did
[04:17] <shawnz> sigh
[04:17] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik.
[04:17] <shawnz> i said
[04:17] <reiki> fiyawerx, I set my machine up with removeable drives. I lock in the Ubuntu drive... if I ever need to boot back to XP I can pull this and insert the XP drive
[04:17] <zdennis> Sonny_Wertzik, try running.....  "make install"
[04:17] <shawnz> TYPE APT-GET INSTALL build-essential
[04:17] <shawnz> shees
[04:17] <shawnz> h
[04:18] <fiyawerx> i'll look up the tutorials, i just have one 250gig in there, i'd partition it off for both
[04:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> typing make install says     make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[04:18] <tritium> please be patient and kind, shawnz
[04:18] <shawnz> okay
[04:18] <shawnz> sorry.
[04:18] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik:
[04:18] <DaMi3n> Sonny_Wertzik, do sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:18] <zdennis> fiyawerx,  you should partition that off from like a 10 boot distro =)
[04:18] <zdennis> you could get one of each =)
[04:18] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, why are you building from source, and what is it?
[04:18] <fiyawerx> lol
[04:18] <lythia> haha
[04:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> its xine 0,99.4
[04:18] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik: type "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[04:18] <shawnz> NOT make or whatever
[04:18] <chavo> I have 2 ubuntus, a suse, XP and Vista beta on here now
[04:18] <shawnz> or configure.
[04:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok ill give it a go
[04:18] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, why are you building xine?  It's available in the repositories.
[04:18] <chavo> but 2 250G hard ddrives
[04:19] <fiyawerx> another simple question, this may be more general, i forget my exact video card, but its a newer pci-e card, with dual outputs, does that generally work?
[04:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> this is the latest ver
[04:19] <DaMi3n> yes
[04:19] <nalioth> fiyawerx: generally
[04:19] <shawnz> fiyawerx: not sure about dual support
[04:19] <shawnz> but
[04:19] <shawnz> it should work
[04:19] <pussfeller> pci-e?
[04:19] <fiyawerx> pci express
[04:19] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, breezy has that version
[04:19] <pussfeller> what dat
[04:19] <reiki> fiyawerx, ATI-based? nVidia-based?
[04:19] <chavo> fiyawerx, nvidia or ati?
[04:19] <tritium> Perhaps just upgrade to breezy
[04:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> im using hoary
[04:19] <soultaker> hello to all
[04:19] <fiyawerx> you know, im dumb, but i dont remember which card i bought, its at home (im at work) its been a few months
[04:19] <nfinitep1astik> hello everyone!
[04:19] <DaMi3n> Sonny_Wertzik, do sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:19] <Euler> me 2
[04:19] <fiyawerx> i think i went with ATI at the time
[04:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya i kust got things the way i like them on hoary
[04:20] <shawnz> sigh
[04:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok
[04:20] <DaMi3n> fiyawerx, then mayb not
[04:20] <pussfeller> maybe lspci would give some info
[04:20] <Euler> How can I install isapnptools under ubuntu ?
[04:20] <chavo> fiyawerx, ati works fine, nvidias drivers are a little more stable
[04:20] <fiyawerx> im not obsessed about the dual output, that wouldnt be a deciding factor, it'd just be nice :)
[04:20] <neighborlee> shawnz, oh ok you mean set env blah
[04:20] <nfinitep1astik> anyone have the thread to where ALSA is installed correctly instead of using esound?
[04:20] <reiki> chavo: you think he'll get the dual head working on that ati card?
[04:20] <fiyawerx> and i figured that wouldnt be distro specific anyway
[04:20] <chavo> fiyawerx, dual output is easy to do
[04:21] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, you might try using checkinstall, then
[04:21] <shawnz> nfinitep1astik: it comes with hoary.
[04:21] <fiyawerx> might have to start hanging out in here more now lol
[04:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> cool it worked
[04:21] <Brazmetal> does someone here use the nvidia driver?
[04:21] <fiyawerx> should i go with a current version? or wait until the new one is released?
[04:21] <firez> Hi, How can I restore the journal of my ext3 partition?, I deleted it with fsck because I couldn't boot in ubuntu
[04:21] <soultaker> can anyone tell me how to configuret the LM-sensors on P4-SDS-La Asus motherboard
[04:21] <tritium> !tell Sonny_Wertzik about checkinstall
[04:21] <pussfeller> i use the nvidias driver
[04:21] <mik3> help
[04:21] <nfinitep1astik> shawnz: correct...and it does work.....but it's not playing my sound correctly in games.....there was this thread that i've seen earlier that kinda 'installs' alsa correctly
[04:22] <shawnz> ah
[04:22] <soultaker> I just install it but dont detect the the Fans or temperature ?.
[04:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> checkinstalll   command not found
[04:22] <shawnz> something on ubuntuguide about reconfiguring sound drivers
[04:22] <shawnz> or something like that?
[04:22] <shawnz> pasted earlier?
[04:22] <mik3> i moved my box from a 22" monitor to like a 16" monitor and everything is huge, it won't let me switch the resolution
[04:22] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik: it would help if you installed checkinstall first.
[04:22] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, you'd need to install it
[04:22] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: do you have the nvidia-settings program installed?
[04:22] <nfinitep1astik> shawnz: it was like last week
[04:22] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, did you even read that URL?
[04:22] <fiyawerx> wireless networking an issue?
[04:23] <firez> is the journal that important in a ext3 partition?, I deleted mine
[04:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> heh...i just installed linuk 2 days ago i didn't know
[04:23] <shawnz> nfinitep1astik: really? i saw it pasted earlier
[04:23] <mik3> i moved my box from a 22" monitor to like a 16" monitor and everything is huge, it won't let me switch the resolution anyone have any ideas?
[04:23] <pussfeller> Brazmetal: no
[04:23] <shawnz> ill go looking
[04:23] <nfinitep1astik> shawnz: sorry, i wasn't on earlier ^.^
[04:23] <fiyawerx> i think thats it for my major concerns lol
[04:23] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, read the URL ubotu gave you re: checkinstall
[04:23] <shawnz> hm
[04:23] <DaMi3n> mik3, did u reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:23] <shawnz> dont see it
[04:23] <shawnz> sorry
[04:23] <mik3> DaMi3n no how do i do that
[04:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok
[04:23] <nfinitep1astik> shawnz: thanks for looking ^_^
[04:23] <shawnz> np
[04:24] <tritium> mik3, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:24] <DaMi3n> mik3, type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:24] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: the trouble is that I installed nvidia-settings and it says that my card's bus type is PCI... but I've got an AGP one
[04:25] <shawnz> Brazmetal: does it work?
[04:25] <shawnz> :p
[04:25] <pussfeller> i seem to recall that agp may have to do pci emulation or something, could be wrong
[04:25] <pussfeller> what does lspci say
[04:25] <Mr_You> I've never heard that.
[04:26] <hypatia> is there a place to file bugs against ubuntu's bugzilla install anymore?
[04:26] <shawnz> um
[04:26] <hypatia> there used to be a 'Bugzilla' component and there doesn't seem to be any more
[04:26] <shawnz> the web interface to bugzilla?
[04:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> dang i wish i knew about check install yesterday heh
[04:26] <pussfeller> 0000:01:04.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420]  (rev a3)
[04:26] <Brazmetal> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]  (rev a1)
[04:26] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: yes, my board appears in lspci..
[04:26] <bz0b> hey guys
[04:26] <bz0b> hey just a quick question
[04:26] <hypatia> shawnz: specifically, I want to report that the "Ubuntu Universe" link on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi points to the wrong place
[04:27] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: so doesn't matter the bus type?
[04:27] <pussfeller> does it work?
[04:27] <bz0b> how do i properly change my hostname
[04:27] <hypatia> shawnz: but I don't know where to report bugs against their bugzilla itself
[04:27] <firez> is there any way that I can restore my journal in the ext3 partition?
[04:27] <benkong2> nighty night folks and thanks
[04:27] <bz0b> i tried doing sudo hostname, and it gave me an error about gethostnameby(
[04:27] <ubuntu> where is the x config file kept, anyone?
[04:27] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: yes it does... can you do a little test for me?
[04:27] <dabaR> nalioth: its playing mp4s now:).
[04:27] <bz0b> wow there is a person called ubuntu/
[04:27] <bz0b> amazing
[04:27] <kurt> ubuntu: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:27] <ubuntu> bz0b, yep
[04:27] <bz0b> hello ubotu
[04:27] <bz0b> ubuntu*
[04:27] <pussfeller> Brazmetal: waht?
[04:27] <bz0b> so are you the creater?
[04:27] <firez> ubuntu is a bot, i think
[04:27] <nalioth> dabaR: cool
[04:28] <svu> any perspective to get 3D on nvidia/ppc? opensource or closedsource?
[04:28] <tritium> ubuntu, but you should modify it by doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:28] <dabaR> bz0b: you will often find that, I think the default user name in the installation is ubuntu.
[04:28] <dabaR> Um...maybe not...
[04:28] <bz0b> yeah
[04:28] <kevogod> That is the default hostname
[04:28] <bz0b> yeah
[04:28] <kevogod> not username
[04:28] <bz0b> how do i change my hostname by the way
[04:28] <ubuntu> what is the command for renaming a file, anyone?
[04:28] <bz0b> the proper way
[04:28] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: could you run glxgears and get the average fps?
[04:28] <tritium> kevogod, it's also the default name in xchat
[04:29] <bz0b> because sudo hostname doesnt work
[04:29] <tritium> at least in the livecd
[04:29] <dabaR> ya, I remembered that right away after I said.
[04:29] <chavo> bz0b, reinstall
[04:29] <BlueEagle> ubuntu: mv as in move
[04:29] <bz0b> haha
[04:29] <chavo> :)
[04:29] <dabaR> ubuntu: man mv.
[04:29] <bz0b> chavo, that is the noob way
[04:29] <kevogod> tritium, Oh, I came in part way
[04:29] <bz0b> :)
[04:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> what packeges do i need to have make install work when i type it?
[04:29] <taw> hello
[04:29] <chavo> bz0b, /etc/hostname
[04:29] <bz0b> thanks
[04:29] <ubuntu> BlueEagle, but i don't want to move it, i want to rename it. argh!?
[04:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> i geuss i must be missing some
[04:29] <dabaR> Sonny_Wertzik: what program are you installing again?
[04:29] <bz0b> if there was such a directory
[04:29] <firez> well looks like I'm goin to wait to resolve my problem with the journal
[04:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> xine
[04:29] <kevogod> ubuntu: You move it into a different file name
[04:29] <taw> how can i install eclipse :-) ? i see some packages depending on it in apt, but not eclipse itself
[04:29] <tritium> bz0b, did you use hostname properly?
[04:29] <firez> taw
[04:29] <ubuntu> kevogod, ok
[04:29] <dabaR> heh, Sonny_Wertzik that is in universe, no need to compile xine...
[04:30] <firez> check the wiki
[04:30] <tritium> That should work...
[04:30] <BlueEagle> ubuntu: What is the difference between renaming a file from one name to another and moving it from a file with one name to a file with another name?
[04:30] <firez> search for eclipse
[04:30] <kevogod> ubuntu, You understand? You move the file "beans.jpg" to "beans-AWESOME.jpg"
[04:30] <bz0b> tritium, isnt it sudo hostname bz0b for instance?
[04:30] <pussfeller> Brazmetal: it averages about 770
[04:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> this is a newer xine
[04:30] <bz0b> and there it happend again
[04:30] <bz0b> my terminal wont even open
[04:31] <[koji] > taw: I got eclipse from eclipse.org
[04:31] <pussfeller> and i have an mx440 or so
[04:31] <ubuntu> BlueEagle, kevogod ok, thanx
[04:31] <airmikey> hi guys...i jus unzipped the tar file for vmware  but how do i get it to install
[04:31] <bz0b> now i really gotta reformatt
[04:31] <bz0b> jesus
[04:31] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: I think it's too poor isn't it?
[04:31] <bz0b> loves youQ@
[04:31] <bz0b> hmm well since i am might as well reformatting, i am going to install kubuntu!
[04:31] <dabaR> taw: you install java,  from wiki.ubuntu.com/Java, then you install eclipse. for example, like [koji]  and me did from their site...its a .bin, you give it +x with chmod, and then ./eclipse.bin, and it installs.
[04:31] <pussfeller> Brazmetal: mine is low?
[04:31] <neighborlee> bz0b, yes he sure does <wink>
[04:31] <BlueEagle> airmikey: Try reading the installation instructions. :)
[04:31] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, perhaps you should just try upgrading to breezy.
[04:31] <pussfeller> its a bottom end card
[04:31] <bz0b> neighborlee, yup!
[04:32] <shawnz> bz0b
[04:32] <pussfeller> its many times faster than the i810 onboard pos on this pos
[04:32] <shawnz> you can install kubuntu with an ubuntu cd :p
[04:32] <bz0b> yes shawnz?
[04:32] <Brazmetal> pussfeller: yes.. I know.. but mine gets 2832.400
[04:32] <bz0b> shawnz, how!
[04:32] <dabaR> Nice, and its not even midnight, and I installed myself mp4 support in cl.
[04:32] <vividan> is anyone using mythtv in ubuntu?
[04:32] <shawnz> and vice versa
[04:32] <shawnz> well
[04:32] <airmikey> if dont want to help jus stfu
[04:32] <shawnz> once its installed
[04:32] <shawnz> open a terminal
[04:32] <shawnz> type
[04:32] <taw> dabaR: you mean, like, not with apt ?
[04:32] <bz0b> i know
[04:32] <tritium> bz0b, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:32] <bz0b> yaeh
[04:32] <shawnz> 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[04:32] <shawnz> yeah
[04:32] <bz0b> well that takes up more space
[04:32] <adiabatic> Is there an official Ubuntu-on-the-Mac channel here on freenode?
[04:32] <shawnz> then apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:32] <bz0b> oh
[04:32] <bz0b> haha
[04:32] <shawnz> then set kdm as default
[04:33] <Fiyawerx> thanks again for your help guys
[04:33] <shawnz> then reboot
[04:33] <dabaR> taw: the java as per web site, and the eclipse as per:
[04:33] <shawnz> :p
[04:33] <dabaR> !eclipse
[04:33] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[04:33] <pussfeller> Brazmetal: i think your card is much more powerful than mine, i only have 64 mbs of ram in it, and old drivers too
[04:33] <bz0b> !porn-get
[04:33] <ubotu> bz0b: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:33] <dabaR> bz0b: info...
[04:33] <shawnz> hm
[04:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> lemme ask ya this...what compilers and all other stuff do i need to install from package manager.. to have no hastles installing anything
[04:33] <vividan> !mythtv
[04:33] <ubotu> vividan: Wish i knew
[04:33] <dabaR> and, msg the bot.
[04:33] <taw> dabaR: i have java installed sun-j2sdk1.5 package
[04:33] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik.
[04:33] <bz0b> haha
[04:33] <shawnz> just build-essential
[04:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> i probably dont have something i need
[04:33] <shawnz> afaik
[04:33] <pussfeller> !ubuntu
[04:33] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, totally, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[04:33] <Fiyawerx> should I dl 5.10?
[04:33] <bz0b> ubotu tell bz0b about porn-get
[04:33] <pussfeller> !linus
[04:33] <ubotu> pussfeller: What?
[04:34] <shawnz> Sonny_Wertzik: just build-essential.
[04:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> i did build eesntial and it seemed to work
[04:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> must i reebot
[04:34] <bz0b> !linux
[04:34] <ubotu> methinks linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[04:34] <bz0b> !bsd
[04:34] <ubotu> bz0b: Are you smoking crack?
[04:34] <shawnz> no Sonny_Wertzik
[04:34] <bz0b> hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[04:34] <pussfeller> !XP
[04:34] <ubotu> No idea, pussfeller
[04:34] <bz0b> !winblows
[04:34] <ubotu> bz0b: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:34] <BlueEagle> sonny_wertzik: The only time you "need to reboot" a linux machine is when installing a new kernel.
[04:35] <az[a] zel> ive deleted my mandrake installation, and im installing ubuntu hoary today as my main operating system
[04:35] <bz0b> !ubotu
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[04:35] <shawnz> BlueEagle: or when you break it
[04:35] <shawnz> :p
[04:35] <pussfeller> or you have a kernel crash
[04:35] <az[a] zel> trying to get windows installed first though.. royal PITA
[04:35] <bz0b> !freebsd
[04:35] <ubotu> No idea, bz0b
[04:35] <lythia> az[a] zel you will be much happier~
[04:35] <bz0b> !bsd
[04:35] <ubotu> bz0b: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:35] <bz0b> !unix
[04:35] <ubotu> bz0b: Are you smoking crack?
[04:35] <pussfeller> or the ram gets over taken by the gui and gets all out of whack
[04:35] <pussfeller> but maybe they fixed that one
[04:35] <Fiyawerx> could anyone suggest downloading the iso for 5.04 or should i get the preview of 5.10?
[04:35] <shawnz> or when you pull whatever happened to me
[04:35] <BlueEagle> shawnz: It's hard to break a box (using binary packages atleast) to the point where rebooting is "the only way"(tm) to fix it.
[04:35] <shawnz> BlueEagle: tell that to my box.
[04:35] <az[a] zel> lythia: i've been playing with it on a test partition, so I know it's nice
[04:36] <dabaR> what, today is software freedom day?
[04:36] <shawnz> it broke so badly, i had to reboot, then it broke worse after reboot.
[04:36] <shawnz> :p
[04:36] <lythia> az[a] zel: I had issues with mandrake too
[04:36] <BlueEagle> shawnz: Ofcourse shady hardware helps make your system unstable. :)
[04:36] <DarkSoul> i was wondering if there was a page that shows all the compatible hardware that ubuntu suports...
[04:36] <shawnz> of course :)
[04:36] <BlueEagle> shawnz: Well, rebooting didn't fix much then. :) What caused the ailments?
[04:36] <shawnz> um
[04:36] <shawnz> well
[04:36] <bz0b> dabaR, no, today is flood ths channel with ubotu day :-)
[04:36] <shawnz> i think it was because I deleted my fonts foler or something like that.
[04:36] <dabaR> That is every day../:P
[04:37] <riskbreaker> hello fellas
[04:37] <bz0b> :P
[04:37] <riskbreaker> i have a question about the beta version of ubuntu 5.10
[04:37] <shawnz> all i know is nautilus started acting very funny after i copied a ttf file into /usr/share/fonts
[04:37] <riskbreaker> is there a way to update to it without downloading another iso?
[04:37] <shawnz> then everything started lagging to DEATH
[04:37] <dabaR> riskbreaker: great introduction...
[04:37] <bz0b> oh, then is it teach noobs about linux day? or is that everyday too?
[04:37] <shawnz> my friend said it was a socket problem or something
[04:37] <pussfeller> i dont think you can just drag fonts into a folder
[04:37] <tritium> riskbreaker, sure
[04:37] <shawnz> and the only option was rebooting
[04:37] <shawnz> so i did
[04:37] <shawnz> then x just lagged.
[04:37] <shawnz> didnt start.
[04:38] <shawnz> only terminal apps started.
[04:38] <BlueEagle> shawnz: That won't break your installation. Just might throw a monkeywrench in X. A simple re-installation of the fonts package should fix that. Easily done from the console. The trickiest part is figuring out which package that is. :)
[04:38] <kevogod> "Noob" is a buzzword for those who think they are better than others.
[04:38] <riskbreaker> ha.. i didn't think the question was that unreasonable, i wouldn't dare ask a question about the actual beta version hah
[04:38] <dabaR> tritium: sent him the upgrade2breezy factoid...
[04:38] <shawnz> BlueEagle: i reinstalled like
[04:38] <shawnz> SO many.
[04:38] <shawnz> xfonts-*
[04:38] <tritium> dabaR, :)
[04:38] <shawnz> and a bunch of other packages
[04:38] <pussfeller> theres nothing wrong with being a noob
[04:38] <dabaR> kevogod: and for newbies too, I never liked it...
[04:38] <shawnz> you know
[04:38] <tritium> shawnz, /usr/local/share/fonts would have been a better place for those
[04:39] <shawnz> i realize that now :p
[04:39] <shawnz> can anyone rar up /usr/share/fonts by any chance?
[04:39] <shawnz> i'll provide hosting if needed
[04:39] <hit0442> hello, i'm a newbie on linux and i have a question
[04:39] <nalioth> shawnz: we all can, but why?
[04:39] <nalioth> hit0442: ask
[04:39] <shawnz> because mine is bjorken.
[04:39] <riskbreaker> thanks, dabar
[04:40] <hit0442> i broke my HD in two parts...
[04:40] <hit0442> (sorry but my english sux)
[04:40] <shawnz> it will give me a chance to set up ftp on www.googlecommie.org aswell
[04:40] <hit0442> and i installed windows in C:
[04:40] <hit0442> how can i instal ubuntu in D:
[04:40] <shawnz> sigh
[04:40] <mik3> ok now that i am whoring my neighbors WIFI what can i install that is entertaining
[04:41] <BlueEagle> pussfeller: There's nothing wrong with being a newbie. Being a n00b is a bit different.
[04:41] <shawnz> hit0442: tell it to install to hda1.
[04:41] <nalioth> hit0442: is there anything on "D:" right now?
[04:41] <hit0442> nothing on D:
[04:41] <hit0442> but when i reboot
[04:41] <nalioth> hit0442: it is 'free space' ?
[04:41] <hit0442> it starts the ubuntu instalation
[04:41] <shawnz> yes
[04:41] <hit0442> and im afraid to lose my C: things
[04:41] <shawnz> thats because the ubuntu cd is in.
[04:41] <tritium> hit0442, /dev/hda2, not hda1
[04:41] <shawnz> hit0442:
[04:41] <shawnz> oh
[04:41] <pussfeller> mik3: nmap :)
[04:41] <BlueEagle> pussfeller: A newbie asks "Where can I find information about setting up my xorg.conf for dual screens" whilst a n00b sais "give me working xorg.conf plz!"
[04:41] <shawnz> thought it was 0based
[04:42] <shawnz> BlueEagle: *kiddie
[04:42] <hit0442> you are confusing me ppl @_@
[04:42] <riskbreaker> dabar, what does the bot mean when it says "if it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces"
[04:42] <shawnz> omg.
[04:42] <shawnz> hit0442.
[04:42] <shawnz> start the ubuntu setup.
[04:42] <hit0442> if i continue to install normally..
[04:42] <shawnz> when it askes how you want to partition
[04:42] <hit0442> will it ask the unity?
[04:42] <nalioth> shawnz: tritium: y'all are assuming a bit
[04:42] <shawnz> select 'do it manually'
[04:42] <boots> hi. Any comments on breezy with an ATI 9600 AIW (which I think translates as an RV350) -- ie. should I dist-upgrade?
[04:42] <shawnz> sigh
[04:42] <hit0442> i will try
[04:42] <shawnz> hit0442:
[04:43] <hit0442> ?
[04:43] <shawnz> 'hda2' is your D:
[04:43] <shawnz> 'hda1' is your C:
[04:43] <hit0442> hmm
[04:43] <hit0442> and?
[04:43] <shawnz> so don't install over hda1
[04:43] <hit0442> ok
[04:43] <shawnz> make sure you tell it to do it over hda2.
[04:43] <airmikey> whats the command to install kernel headers
[04:43] <hit0442> but it will ask me before it install the linux right?
[04:43] <shawnz> yes
[04:43] <hit0442> thx
[04:43] <riskbreaker> is that just the bot telling me that since breezy is still in beta, i shouldn't upgrade to it yet?
[04:43] <shawnz> you need to selet.
[04:43] <shawnz> 'partition manually'
[04:43] <shawnz> riskbreaker.
[04:43] <BlueEagle> boots: breezy is a preview. In my opinion that translates to, yes, you should upgrade if you want to preview it and no, you shouldn't upgrade if you need to ask if you should upgrade to a preview. :)
[04:43] <hit0442> i will try...
[04:44] <shawnz> its a beta. it works or it doesnt.
[04:44] <hit0442> Thank you ppl
[04:44] <nalioth> riskbreaker: that is what it's saying
[04:44] <shawnz> no one is going to offer support for it, so try it if you want
[04:44] <shawnz> well. someone might
[04:44] <pussfeller> there is a llist of known issues on the wiki
[04:44] <shawnz> but its not 'supported'
[04:44] <riskbreaker> well
[04:44] <riskbreaker> i'm aware that beta is risky.
[04:44] <pussfeller> which might give you some foreknowledge
[04:44] <mik3> ok now that i am whoring my neighbors WIFI what can i install that is entertaining
[04:44] <shawnz> riskbreaker: then try it if you must.
[04:44] <boots> BlueEagle: yeah -- I'm asking if I will get to preview -- ie. are the radeon drivers for X ready
[04:44] <shawnz> or get a LiveCD.
[04:44] <riskbreaker> i was just trying to figure out if the bot was being esoteric
[04:44] <pussfeller> what you mean entertaining
[04:44] <DaMi3n> mik3, did u get the resolution problem fixed??
[04:45] <pussfeller> you mean, useful in the circumstances taht someone else will get the blame?
[04:45] <brownie17> anyone, how do i acces my home folder while i am on the livecd? i want ot copy my files onto a cd so i can reinstall ubuntu
[04:45] <riskbreaker> "when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces" kinda confused me.
[04:45] <mik3> DaMi3n : yessir thanks
[04:45] <cvt> do i use cdemu to mount game iso's
[04:45] <cvt> ?
[04:45] <BlueEagle> boots: They may or may not be. As far as I know the latest xorg has got ATi drivers working.
[04:45] <cvt> or what do i do with game iso's?
[04:46] <BlueEagle> has anyone put together a feature-matrix for breezy vs hoary?
[04:46] <riskbreaker> well I will give it a shot since it seems like it might fix some of my qualms with hoary.
[04:46] <BlueEagle> s/feature/version/
[04:46] <shawnz> rofl:
[04:46] <shawnz> info: Writing node (dir)Top...
[04:46] <shawnz> File: dir	Node: Top	This is the top of the INFO tree
[04:46] <shawnz>   This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics.  Typing "d"
[04:46] <shawnz>   returns here, "q" exits, "?" lists all INFO commands, "h"  gives a
[04:46] <shawnz>   primer for first-timers, "mTexinfo<Return>" visits Texinfo topic,
[04:46] <shawnz>   etc.
[04:46] <zdennis> Getting Ubuntu to run smooth on a 128Mb laptop isn't real easy!
[04:46] <Orunitia> anyone know if there's a way to set qemu to start at a higher resolution?
[04:46] <boots> BlueEagle: cool. I'm just thinking that in a room with over 300 people, someone would know if it was worth attempting yet. I certainly don't mind if it still needs lots of hand holding. That's half the fun of a preview :) Thanks.
[04:46] <shawnz> S**T
[04:47] <shawnz> sorry.
[04:47] <brownie17> anyone, how do i acces my home folder while i am on the livecd? i want ot copy my files onto a cd so i can reinstall ubuntu
[04:47] <shawnz> stupid exec
[04:47] <shawnz> :(
[04:47] <tritium> shawnz...
[04:47] <zdennis> brownie, mount your root filesystem
[04:47] <shawnz> tritium?
[04:47] <shawnz> how much came out
[04:47] <brownie17> zdennis: how?
[04:47] <riskbreaker> thanks fellas
[04:47] <riskbreaker> oh, one more question.
[04:47] <brownie17> zdennis, brownie17=newbie
[04:47] <riskbreaker> how do you automate the mounting of a windows filesystem?
[04:47] <nalioth> !tell riskbreaker about ntfs
[04:48] <riskbreaker> like... so that i don't have to re-do it every time i boot ubuntu
[04:48] <pussfeller> !ntfs
[04:48] <BlueEagle> zdennis: Swap out gnome with a more light-weight window manager. icewm and fluxbox have been good to me in the past.
[04:48] <brownie17> nalioth: how do i mount my root filesystem?
[04:48] <shawnz> brownie17: open a root terminal and type 'mkdir /mnt/root && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/root'
[04:48] <shawnz> then your hard drive will be in the folder '/mnt/root'
[04:48] <nalioth> brownie17: are you burning with your liveCD?
[04:48] <riskbreaker> wow... that's quite the strange bot. helpful, though. thanks again
[04:49] <zdennis> BlueEagle, yeah icewm is what i am trying now =)
[04:49] <brownie17> nalioth: i don't carwe about buring , i just want to get it onto something, a flash disk maybe. but i need to acces those files
[04:49] <zdennis> i just got the laptop to boot w/o using any swap
[04:49] <brownie17> shawnz, it jut saud this ">"!!!
[04:49] <zdennis> ... who needs cups anyways!
[04:49] <nalioth> brownie17: shawnz has you covered
[04:49] <shawnz> BlueEagle: vtwm :p
[04:49] <tritium> zdennis, so now you can't hibernate
[04:49] <Orunitia> anyone know if there's a way to set qemu to start at a higher resolution?
[04:49] <BlueEagle> zdennis: For a file manager to compliment IceWm you might want to try rox filer.
[04:49] <zdennis> cups = hibernate?
[04:49] <zdennis> cups = unix printing?
[04:49] <shawnz> brownie17: try this.
[04:49] <shawnz> sudo -i bash
[04:49] <tritium> zdennis, you have no swap space on the laptop?
[04:50] <shawnz> mkdir /mnt/hda1
[04:50] <zdennis> tritium, no i do. I have lots of it
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> Who thinks leaking filenames and sizes attached to e-mails that you can't normally see is a bad thing?
[04:50] <BlueEagle> zdennis: cups = common something-starting-with-u printing system
[04:50] <shawnz> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[04:50] <zdennis> tritium, but it is not being used
[04:50] <BlueEagle> or something like that.
[04:50] <brownie17> shawnz, cannot execute bianry file
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> Anyone?
[04:50] <shawnz> O.o
[04:50] <shawnz> brownie17: after which command
[04:50] <tritium> zdennis, okay, good.  It would be used if you hibernate
[04:50] <BlueEagle> common unix printing system?
[04:50] <zdennis> tritium, yay once i figure out how-to that on this laptop i will try it out. =)
[04:51] <dabaR> the kernel version 2.6.10, a.k.a. Woozy Numbat?! heh...I guess its not just ubuntu on a safari...
[04:51] <brownie17> shawnz, i trie that mount /dev thing it said "you must secifiy the filesystem type"
[04:51] <shawnz> agh
[04:51] <shawnz> hold on
[04:51] <shawnz> which filesystem is it do you know?
[04:51] <shawnz> ext3?
[04:51] <brownie17> shawnz, im fairly sure its ext3, but it might be ext2
[04:52] <brownie17> shawnz, i forget, i am isntallihg left right and center recently
[04:52] <shawnz> sigh
[04:52] <pussfeller> mount /dev/hda1 -o -t ext3  /mnt/hda1
[04:52] <pussfeller> aint it
[04:52] <shawnz> thats the one
[04:52] <shawnz> -t ext3
[04:52] <BlueEagle> brownie17: cat /proc/filesystems
[04:52] <shawnz> forgot the switch
[04:52] <zdennis> BlueEagle / tritium... what file do i need to edit so icewm starts up?
[04:52] <BlueEagle> brownie17: That will show you which filesystems are currently supported.
[04:52] <BlueEagle> zdennis: using startx?
[04:52] <nalioth> zdennis: have you installed icewm?
[04:52] <tritium> zdennis, sorry, I've never used it
[04:52] <shawnz> zdennis: in gdm, select 'icewm' as your session
[04:53] <shawnz> it will ask you if you want to use it as default
[04:53] <shawnz> click yeah
[04:53] <BlueEagle> zdennis: ~/.xinitrc
[04:53] <shawnz> ..
[04:53] <zdennis> yeah, ice is installed
[04:53] <brownie17> shawnz, well i now think it is ext2, so what do i do?
[04:53] <shawnz> sigh
[04:53] <shawnz> okay brownie17
[04:53] <shawnz> sudo -i bash
[04:53] <nalioth> zdennis: at your login screen, you should see a 'sessions' button
[04:53] <BlueEagle> zdennis: Are you starting X with the startx command or a graphical login?
[04:53] <zdennis> ah .xinitrc....i think that was the one i wasloooking for. will try, thx
[04:53] <shawnz> no
[04:53] <zdennis> i disabled gdm from starting
[04:53] <shawnz> dont use .xinitrc.
[04:53] <zdennis> i boot into text mode =)
[04:53] <shawnz> oh
[04:53] <shawnz> then
[04:53] <shawnz> yeah, xinitrc.
[04:53] <BlueEagle> shawnz: There you go. Don't assume. :)
[04:54] <shawnz> pft
[04:54] <shawnz> :(
[04:54] <pussfeller> can i run cfdisk on a mounted disk, if the partition isnt mounted?
[04:54] <shawnz> caught me off guard
[04:54] <tritium> zdennis, how did you disable gdm?
[04:54] <BlueEagle> shawnz: ;D *huggles in a non-gayish fasion*
[04:54] <brownie17> shawnz, sudo -i bash does nothing
[04:54] <nalioth> pussfeller: ys
[04:54] <brownie17> shawnz, just gives me binary file error
[04:54] <shawnz> brownie17: thats normal
[04:54] <pussfeller> the part i wanna change
[04:54] <shawnz> oh
[04:54] <shawnz> then
[04:54] <brownie17> shawnz, ok
[04:54] <shawnz> just sudo bash
[04:54] <brownie17> shawnz, gives me root
[04:54] <shawnz> there we go
[04:54] <shawnz> now
[04:55] <shawnz> mkdir /mnt/root
[04:55] <zdennis> tritium, you can run update-rc.d -f gdm remove     to make it to not start at all
[04:55] <brownie17> mkdir m/mnt/root
[04:55] <tritium> zdennis, right.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[04:55] <BlueEagle> zdennis: Got some cool stuff to put in there if you want.
[04:55] <zdennis> or you can just remove the S20gdm script in the associated /etc/rcX.d directory
[04:55] <shawnz> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/root
[04:55] <shawnz> then that ^
[04:55] <brownie17> shawnz, didn't give me error
[04:55] <shawnz> okay
[04:55] <shawnz> then that ^
[04:55] <shawnz> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/root
[04:55] <zdennis> BlueEagle, hook me up =)
[04:55] <brownie17> sg sayd specifiy filesystem
[04:55] <shawnz> okay
[04:55] <shawnz> then
[04:56] <shawnz> mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/root
[04:56] <shawnz> or 2 or whatever
[04:56] <brownie17> shawnz, "mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist"
[04:56] <shawnz> O.O
[04:56] <shawnz> try just hda then :/
[04:56] <shawnz> or hda0
[04:57] <brownie17> shawnz, allready mounted
[04:57] <shawnz> okay
[04:57] <shawnz> now
[04:57] <shawnz> type 'mount'
[04:57] <shawnz> look for /dev/hda.
[04:57] <shawnz> in that list
[04:57] <shawnz> and tell me the second path there
[04:58] <brownie17> shawnz, it didn't say /dev/hda anywhere
[04:58] <shawnz> lol
[04:58] <shawnz> :(
[04:58] <tritium> smile, shawnz :)
[04:58] <shawnz> ok
[04:59] <shawnz> :)
[04:59] <brownie17> shawnz, it didnt come up with /dev/hda anywher
[04:59] <shawnz> brownie17: which device did you try when it said it was already mounted
[04:59] <shawnz> which /dev/*
[04:59] <airmikey> if running dual chips do i need to do anything in paticular for ubuntu to run better
[04:59] <brownie17> shawnz, /dev/hda
[04:59] <shawnz> hmm
[04:59] <shawnz> okay.
[05:00] <shawnz> 'cd /mnt'
[05:00] <shawnz> 'ls'
[05:00] <brownie17> shawnz, just says "root" in blue text
[05:00] <nalioth> airmikey: smp kernels usually make 2 processors run better
[05:00] <shawnz> cd root
[05:00] <shawnz> ls
[05:00] <tritium> !tritium
[05:00] <ubotu> it has been said that tritium is a radioactive isotope of hydrogen
[05:00] <shawnz> hehe
[05:01] <brownie17> shawnz, gave me nothing
[05:01] <shawnz> well
[05:01] <shawnz> okay
[05:01] <shawnz> can you PM me the entire 'mount' list?
[05:01] <Xorlev> Or use the #flood channel
[05:01] <shawnz> that works
[05:01] <brownie17> shawnz, ok, um which one was that?
[05:01] <shawnz> when you type 'mount'
[05:01] <D1> can anyone recommend a good linux compatible scanner?
[05:01] <shawnz> with no params
[05:02] <vader1102> D1 I use the HP PSC 750 all in one and it work great
[05:02] <Vexir> hey guys.
[05:02] <lukins> D1 anything from hp, if you google it, hp has said that all their peripherals will work under ubuntu
[05:02] <D1> hmm, interesting.
[05:02] <Vexir> ... speaking of printers
[05:02] <brownie17> D1, i use the canoscan lide 30, and there is not a single linux driver out there for it :)
[05:02] <lukins> D1 should work by breezy release
[05:02] <Vexir> even if i dont know the name of the printer
[05:02] <Vexir> on the network
[05:03] <Vexir> if i get thr ight driver
[05:03] <D1> eh, all in one is nice, but Im looking for just a scanner.
[05:03] <Vexir> and i get the pc its connected to right
[05:03] <Vexir> will it still work
[05:03] <Sym|Away> D1, the PSC 1610 works great (plus the last time I checked it was on sale from HP)
[05:03] <Xorlev> Okies, riddle me this: When I pause songs in XMMS, I unpause them and it doesn't unpause, it just goes a second further (no sound), and skips to the next song (or sometimes just sticks there until I press play, which restarts the song or next, a new song).
[05:03] <Vexir> PSC 2110 owns all...
[05:03] <brownie17> xorlev, get a new player :). nah kidding
[05:03] <Sym|Away> It's just too bad that HPLIP doesn't work very well with XSane (IE XSane with Gimp)
[05:03] <Fiyawerx> lukins: good news, re: hp periphs
[05:03] <brownie17> Xorlev, i got no idea
[05:04] <brownie17> shawnz, that good?
[05:04] <shawnz> yes
[05:04] <brownie17> shawnz, i pm'd it to you
[05:04] <shawnz> yes i see
[05:04] <lukins> xorlev, try downloading beep-media-player, looks exactly like xmms but built for gnome
[05:04] <Xorlev> I can use the progress bar to change the position of the song, so I'm really confuzzled.
[05:04] <tritium> D1, hplip packages are installed by default in breezy for nearly all, if not all, HP scanners etc.
[05:04] <Xorlev> lukins: I don't use GNOME, so I don't use beep media player.
[05:04] <Xorlev> Other than the pause problem, I love XMMS.
[05:04] <D1> is that part of sane/xsane?
[05:05] <Fiyawerx> is there any reason not to use the preview release?
[05:05] <Mez> hmm, can anyone help me with mozilla thunderbird message filters
[05:05] <brownie17> shawnz, do you know what to do?
[05:05] <shawnz> brownie17: mount -t ext3 /dev/hda0 /mnt/root
[05:05] <Sym|Away> D1, it's easier just to use HPOJ.
[05:05] <Xorlev> Fiyawerx: Some things are a bit buggy,
[05:05] <shawnz> says its mounted already?
[05:05] <mik3> does gimp have filters like adobe eyecandy etc?
[05:05] <Sym|Away> D1, I use HPLIP but HPOJ takes less configuration.
[05:05] <zorba64> fellas can you look at this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2056 and tell me the prob...is this data corruption?
[05:05] <brownie17> shawnz, does not exist
[05:06] <shawnz> okay
[05:06] <Sym|Away> However, HPLIP has more features.
[05:06] <D1> http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?ts=1125432569030&storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=134522#desclink
[05:06] <shawnz> just hda then
[05:06] <D1> I want taht
[05:06] <shawnz> waaaa, i miss X.
[05:06] <D1> but its said to not work in linux
[05:06] <mik3> quick: everyone tell me their favorite applications for me to insall
[05:06] <shawnz> vlc.
[05:06] <shawnz> smeg
[05:06] <shawnz> uhhhhh
[05:06] <brownie17> shawnz, says allreadyd mounted or busy
[05:06] <shawnz> okay
[05:06] <nalioth> mik3: please. just install all of them
[05:06] <shawnz> that's really odd.
[05:06] <lukins> can anyone point me to how i can connect my computer to my laptop with an ethernet cable?
[05:06] <shawnz> maybe someone can help you
[05:06] <Sym|Away> Limewire!
[05:06] <shawnz> i dunno as of now.
[05:06] <brownie17> shawnz, i got another prolbem
[05:06] <shawnz> Shareaza.
[05:06] <dabaR> riskbreaker: well, it means that it will break your system, perhaps, and you cant ask him for help, or blame anyone but yourself, something along those lines..
[05:07] <shawnz> not limewire :(
[05:07] <shawnz> brownie17: ?
[05:07] <Sym|Away> lukins, all it should take is a cross over cable.
[05:07] <brownie17> shawnz, when i start up normal, it says cannot start X, problem with your config file
[05:07] <shawnz> well
[05:07] <shawnz> that means you broke your X config file
[05:07] <shawnz> :p
[05:07] <brownie17> shawnz, i tried my backup file, still said it. do i have to reinstall?
[05:07] <brownie17> shawnz,  :) i know that
[05:07] <SymGeosis> shawnz, I didn't even know there was a linux version of shareeza.
[05:07] <shawnz> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[05:07] <dabaR> shawnz: please stop hitting the enter key so much, try sending messages, its not IM...
[05:07] <lukins> SymGeosis, do you mean a regular cable, and you mean I just have to plug it in?
[05:07] <shawnz> i think is the command
[05:07] <nalioth> brownie17: nope
[05:07] <mik3> ok what's vlc
[05:07] <liable> err xserver-xorg
[05:07] <shawnz> ah
[05:07] <shawnz> that.
[05:08] <nalioth> lukins:  a crossover cable has the wires backwards, so you dont have to use a router or switch
[05:08] <mik3> nalioth : don't hate on my tactically acquired neighbor's 802.11g
[05:08] <nalioth> lukins: so you can connect directly one puter to the other
[05:08] <pussfeller> you need a special cable for nic to nic connections, called a cross over cable, radio shack sells em
[05:08] <brownie17> nalioth, shawnz, package xorg-xserver is not installed and no info is available
[05:08] <tritium> brownie17, xserver-xorg
[05:08] <Gobbla> can you play nsv some way?
[05:08] <nalioth> brownie17: that's why x wont start, it's out to lunch
[05:08] <tritium> Gobbla, what is nsv?
[05:09] <SymGeosis> brownie17, have you tried xorgcfg -text-mode ?
[05:09] <tritium> no, no
[05:09] <lukins> nalioth, and it should just work, plugging it in?
[05:09] <shawnz> mik3: ClamAv aswell
[05:09] <Gobbla> winamps video format
[05:09] <mik3> k
[05:09] <Gobbla> tritium:
[05:09] <mik3> what's ClamAv
[05:09] <tritium> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, brownie17
[05:09] <shawnz> mik3: antivirus
[05:09] <dabaR> mik3: google.
[05:09] <mik3> dabaR : never
[05:09] <mik3> ignorance is bliss
[05:09] <nalioth> lukins: both computers need to have their IP addresses set manually
[05:09] <dabaR> mik3: heh. Seriously, tho, google can tell you what it is.
[05:09] <SymGeosis> mik3, clamAV is an anti-virus suite.
[05:10] <shawnz> well
[05:10] <mik3> ah ok
[05:10] <shawnz> not so much suite
[05:10] <SymGeosis> Hence, "AV". ;-)
[05:10] <shawnz> just a terminal scanner
[05:10] <dabaR> mik3: I used to do that, till I broke my system...
[05:10] <lukins> nalitoth and others thanks!
[05:10] <shawnz> oh poo, im pressing enter too much again arent I'
[05:10] <SymGeosis> shawnz, I know, but I'm doing like seven things at once so give me a break. =)
[05:10] <dabaR> its ok, youll get a hang of it. shawnz.
[05:10] <SymGeosis> <- Multi-tasking.
[05:11] <brownie17> tritium, you were right :) good man. smart man. have a pat on the back
[05:11] <tritium> brownie17, it worked?  :)
[05:11] <shawnz> SymGeosis: multitasking?
[05:11] <Vexir> shawnz: Yes it means doing multiple things at the same time :-p
[05:11] <SymGeosis> shawnz, you know that thing where you do *lots* of things at once. =P
[05:12] <brownie17> haven't tried it but the config winzard is runbning
[05:12] <Vexir> SymGeosis: Owned....
[05:12] <mik3> does gimp have any filtes?
[05:12] <shawnz> SymGeosis: yes i know what it is.... read the next line ;p
[05:12] <mik3> filters
[05:12] <tritium> yes, mik3
[05:12] <Vexir> shawnz: What in hey is a formbomb??
[05:12] <nalioth> mik3: gimp uses photoshop filters
[05:12] <Xorlev> Aha, an ALSA module problem, fixed in a patch. Seems I have to recompile it.
[05:12] <shawnz> Vexir: recursivly runs a funcion
[05:13] <shawnz> which starts itself twice
[05:13] <mik3> how about free filters
[05:13] <tritium> yes, mik3
[05:13] <mik3> names please
[05:13] <shawnz> :(){ :|: };: <- forkbomb
[05:13] <mik3> not your name
[05:13] <tritium> there you go, mik3
[05:13] <mik3> names of he filter
[05:13] <nalioth> mik3: ask uncle google, he can show you
[05:13] <tritium> ;)
[05:14] <mik3> nalioth : uncle google tried to touch me in a special place
[05:14] <nalioth> mik3: there are thousands of them
[05:14] <shawnz> rofl
[05:14] <dabaR> mik3: did you feel all special?
[05:14] <corza> hi guys; how stable is breezy (latest).. and seems its a preview if i install it will i have to uninstall it once the release comes out?
[05:14] <mik3> no, i felt sad. i pee'd a little
[05:14] <mik3> haha
[05:14] <shawnz> someone tar --recursive /usr/share/fonts for me please :(
[05:15] <transgress> is there a way to tell acpi to bugger the fuck off?  it keeps causing my friend's screen to have a popup that goes away fairly quickly that says "LCD OFF"
[05:15] <linner> hey ya'll
[05:15] <tritium> transgress, language please
[05:15] <linner> can someone please tell me where the systray is????
[05:15] <linner> i'm sure that sounds like a crazy question... but i absolutely can not find it
[05:15] <dabaR> linner: where you put it, its linux...
[05:16] <shawnz> linner, there isnt one. however, there is a Redhat Notification Area in the bottom right corner.
[05:16] <dabaR> linner: why are you looking for it, tell us some context...
[05:16] <linner> dabaR, um... i didn't put it anywhere
[05:16] <linner> dabaR, sure... i just downloaded kcheckmail to check my gmail
[05:16] <dabaR> if you installed gnome, and the default ubuntu install, and have not changed anything...it is in the top right.
[05:16] <dabaR> you use kde?
[05:16] <linner> dabaR, and it told me it is in the systray
[05:16] <transgress> tritium: yeah sorry.  but any help would be great?  it's really getting on my nerves.
[05:16] <mik3> hey vlc is neat, now all of my porn has audio
[05:17] <linner> dabaR, hmmm....
[05:17] <linner> i wonder why I don't see the icon then
[05:17] <dabaR> linner: use kde?
[05:17] <shawnz> lol mik3 :D
[05:17] <corza> hi guys; how stable is breezy (latest).. and seems its a preview if i install it will i have to uninstall it once the release comes out?
[05:17] <linner> no gnome
[05:17] <tritium> mik3, give it a rest
[05:17] <dabaR> linner: isnt kcheckmail a kde app?
[05:17] <vanberge> dabaR, he probably is running a kde app in gnome
[05:17] <linner> Um... that's a great question.  I would assueme it wouldn't show up in synaptic
[05:18] <liable> corza: uninstall it? no.
[05:18] <dabaR> btw, the system tray in gnome is called the notification area. You will notice it if you open gaim, and click the close button.
[05:18] <linner> vanberge, I'm a girl ;)
[05:18] <Vexir> just wondering, but when breezy becomes an official release, how do you upgrade Ubuntu? or does synaptic do it...
[05:18] <vanberge> linner, my apologies...   very sorry.  :-)
[05:18] <dabaR> linner: it does show up in synaptic, regardless.
[05:18] <iJeff> what's synaptic?
[05:18] <linner> vanberge, no worries... easy mistake
[05:18] <corza> liable: so it will just update what's needed once the release comes out?
[05:18] <iJeff> oh the update application?
[05:18] <linner> iJeff, it's the software installation manager
[05:18] <tritium> !tell iJeff about synaptic
[05:18] <liable> corza: yes.
[05:18] <linner> dabaR, it does...? oh....
[05:18] <linner> hmmm....
[05:18] <shawnz> Vexir: you could always try updating your apt sources to breezy and updating ubuntu-base... but that would probably screw up more than it fixes :p
[05:19] <corza> liable: okay sweet as, i am switching back to ubuntu seems that now Cedega supports Guild Wars a lot better :)
[05:19] <linner> i thought it would show only programs ubuntu could load and run
[05:19] <mik3> what is the ubuntu limewire equivalant and is there a drag and what is a popular drag and drop styled ftp client
[05:19] <tritium> corza, you'll just have to change some repo settings
[05:19] <nalioth> shawnz: Vexir: definitely screw more up then fix
[05:19] <shawnz> yep
[05:19] <shawnz> :p
[05:19] <dabaR> linner: yes, and, the system tray is called the notification area. You may be experiencing this issue because of running a kde app in gnome. I do not know for a fact, though.
[05:19] <corza> tritium: thats piss =D
[05:19] <nalioth> mik3: gtk-gnutella
[05:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hi...who was i talking to before about xine...?
[05:19] <Vexir> shawnz: nalioth: so i have to do a fresh install? theres no upgrade type thing?
[05:19] <linner> dabaR, I just uninstalled it...
[05:19] <tritium> nalioth, it's not so bad on non-powerpc ;)
[05:19] <dabaR> I think I said that about it being called the notification area b4:)
[05:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> u shawnz?
[05:19] <airmikey> trying to load vmware ...but asking for c header
[05:20] <shawnz> airmikey: which c header.
[05:20] <corza> guys how good is the partitioning on the installer (for dual boot etc)?
[05:20] <dabaR> Sonny_Wertzik: you were talking to #ubuntu:P
[05:20] <corza> reliable?
[05:20] <linner> dabaR, do you know of a ubuntu page that shows recommends software installs?
[05:20] <shawnz> sigh
[05:20] <nalioth> tritium: be nice
[05:20] <tritium> heh
[05:20] <shawnz> here comes the 'M$' stuff again
[05:20] <mik3> iJeff : you don't like fbsd?
[05:20] <vanberge> iJeff, im kind of surprised that there isnt an itunes port for linux... since mac os runs on a similar kernel
[05:20] <airmikey> its jus asking for c header
[05:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> heh...man i just want to say thanx to u guyz!
[05:20] <linner> vanberge, I agree!
[05:20] <dabaR> linner: not necessarily...I dont.
[05:20] <shawnz> airmikey.
[05:21] <shawnz> which one?
[05:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> u guyz just made my year
[05:21] <linner> dabaR, do you have a gmail account?
[05:21] <tritium> yay, Sonny_Wertzik :)
[05:21] <linner> if so how do you check it?
[05:21] <dabaR> linner: yes, why?
[05:21] <CubicVirtuoso> I got a quesiton. I installed 5.10.. but I want to go back to the previous version is there ayway of doing that?
[05:21] <SymGeosis> shawnz, you get my PM's? You still need that tar?
[05:21] <shawnz> yes
[05:21] <linner> i should say how to you receive notification of msgs?
[05:21] <shawnz> i said yes in the pm didnt I...
[05:21] <mik3> anyone care to suggest a drag and drop ftp client for ubuntu
[05:21] <shawnz> O.o
[05:21] <dabaR> linner: ah, I use the browser:P
[05:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> i was missing so much stuff for compiling it wasnt even funny
[05:21] <tritium> mik3, gftp
[05:21] <shawnz> SymGeosis: didn't I say yes in the pm
[05:21] <linner> dabaR, smart a$$ :)
[05:21] <shawnz> or is irssi broken
[05:21] <SymGeosis> shawnz, I'm too lazy to man it. You copy and paste the command?
[05:21] <shawnz> okay
[05:21] <shawnz> sec
[05:21] <SymGeosis> shawnz, I didn't get any pm...
[05:21] <linner> dabaR, yes I do that too once I know there's a message
[05:22] <nmstryoda> boy, what a lot of chatter tonight
[05:22] <CubicVirtuoso> i love ubuntu :)
[05:22] <SymGeosis> shawnz, if you aren't authed you may not be able to send PMs...
[05:22] <CubicVirtuoso> everyone does
[05:22] <shawnz> ah
[05:22] <shawnz> okay
[05:22] <shawnz> nickserv? ill register
[05:22] <nalioth> Sonny_Wertzik: the box of a linux developer needs lots and lots of extras
[05:22] <c0rrup7> hi @ll
[05:22] <linner> hey c0rrup7
[05:22] <dabaR> linner: ubuntuforums.org was proclaimed to be the best support option for linux this year at arstechnica, as I just found out. I also think they must have something about it as well. ubuntuforums.org, and search for gmail notification, or so...
[05:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya i get that now..but its hard to know what ya need till ya need it...ya know
[05:23] <mik3> has anyone else here had problems with apt connecting to the sites that begin with http://archive?
[05:23] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, not every user wants all the development stuff, so it's not installed by default
[05:23] <linner> dabaR, thank you!
[05:23] <dabaR> sure. later.
[05:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya i can understand that
[05:23] <shawnz> SymGeosis: im registered with nickserv.
[05:23] <ksmurf> is there a way to output an lspci or lomod to a txt file?
[05:23] <linner> dabar: I got the link... thank you!
[05:23] <tritium> ksmurf, pipe it
[05:23] <linner> I'll go check it out now
[05:23] <tritium> I mean redirect it
[05:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> i've only been using linux for 2 days now but i dig it
[05:23] <ksmurf> tritium ::: more?
[05:24] <gorilla> ksmurf, redirect it... command > results.txt
[05:24] <tritium> ksmurf, lsmod > crap.txt
[05:24] <vanberge> Sonny_Wertzik, are you dual booting 1 hd ?
[05:24] <nalioth> tritium: stir it around and stick it to the wall
[05:24] <ksmurf> thanks
[05:24] <intelikey> ksmurf "{command} > file.name "
[05:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> yes dual boot
[05:24] <vanberge> cool...  glad you like it ;-)
[05:24] <c0rrup7> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55758&highlight=gmail+notification
[05:25] <c0rrup7> if thats what u wanted
[05:25] <c0rrup7> for evolution
[05:25] <intelikey> ksmurf if you want the error messages also  add " 2>&1 "  to the end of that.
[05:25] <linner> here's another question folks... what's the difference between KDE and GNOME... how do you know which one you want?
[05:25] <SymGeosis> shawnz, you identify your self with nickserv yet?
[05:25] <linner> c0rrup7, thank you!
[05:25] <linner> very much so
[05:25] <c0rrup7> np
[05:25] <mik3> gftp is tastey
[05:25] <Vexir> ugh
[05:25] <c0rrup7> i have the plugin for firefox installed :)
[05:25] <mik3> what else are some neato appliations
[05:26] <vanberge> linner, they are just different window managers... some people favor one, some people favor the other, some favor neither
[05:26] <themot> airmikey:  look at this lin for vmware ... there are a few things you will need to install with apt or synaptic  http://www.tuxme.com/node/536
[05:26] <themot> link that is
[05:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> at least i can watch movies now while i set up other stuff
[05:26] <vanberge> linner, before i used ubuntu, i favored fluxbox
[05:26] <ksmurf> trilium gorilla and intelikey thanks.  it worked and I learned something
[05:26] <c0rrup7> ah gftp... it showed in the description to support sftp ... but it didn't though
[05:26] <linner> vanberge, i figured that part... but i wanted to know how one would choose
[05:26] <nalioth> linner: there are dozens of desktop manglers (KDE and gnome are the two with the largest following)
[05:26] <linner> fluxbox?
[05:26] <linner> hmmm
[05:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> xine 0.99.3 was glitchy
[05:26] <linner> nalioth, oh okay
[05:26] <linner> before i came to ubuntu i was using linspire
[05:27] <vanberge> linner, you could easily switch between the two to see which you like better  :-)
[05:27] <linner> it was fine but i find ubuntu much easier to get
[05:27] <tritium> mik3, search around in synaptic for yourself
[05:27] <nalioth> linner: there are also enlightenment, xfce4, *oox, xpde, and many others
[05:27] <linner> vanberge, oh you can?
[05:27] <linner> hmmm
[05:27] <linner> interesting
[05:27] <benkong2> is there a package that will give me a cool boot screen like in Suse and FC4 that can be verbose or simple for Unintu?
[05:27] <vanberge> linner, have you used synaptic yet?
[05:27] <linner> nalioth, gosh.. i never knew that
[05:27] <linner> vanberge, yes... LOVE It....
[05:27] <themot> !vmware
[05:27] <ubotu> No idea, themot
[05:27] <themot> bad bot... no botsnack
[05:27] <mik3> tritium : there's nothing wrong with getting suggestions from fellow ubuntu users.
[05:27] <Vexir> lol
[05:27] <Vexir> is there a WINE faq anywhere
[05:28] <Vexir> or is that like..
[05:28] <Vexir> in the WIKI
[05:28] <vanberge> linner, see the section that says 'KDE Desktop Environment' ?
[05:28] <linner> when i used linspire that's the part I hated... no Synaptic... they only had a pay-only CNR
[05:28] <tritium> mik3, there's nothing wrong with helping yourself either
[05:28] <BlueEagle> !wine
[05:28] <linner> vanberge, ok
[05:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> BRB..going for a smoke
[05:28] <linner> give me just a minute
[05:28] <linner> i'll go look
[05:28] <mik3> tritium : i agree, so don't insinuate that's how i feel
[05:28] <BlueEagle> !tell vexir about wine
[05:28] <tritium> mik3, take it easy
[05:29] <mik3> heh, likewise.
[05:29] <mik3> BlueEagle : hello sir
[05:29] <mik3> or madaam
[05:29] <vanberge> linner, i havent done this in awhile...  also assuming that HD space isnt a huge concern... you could just select "kdebase' to install, and then synaptic will mark all the dependencies for you.
[05:29] <linner> vanberge, where do i find KDE Desktop Environment - I have the pkg mgr open now
[05:29] <vanberge> somebody correct me if im wrong, please
[05:29] <BlueEagle> mik3: Hello mik3. (and it's more dude than sir or madam I guess) :p
[05:29] <vanberge> KDE should have an entire section, on the left hand side....
[05:29] <cafuego> vanberge: 'kubuntu-desktop'
[05:29] <linner> what would be the advantage to using KDE though?
[05:30] <linner> vanberge, I'm using Breezy... I don't see that section :(
[05:30] <cafuego> linner: Poeple who prefer KDe would have the advantage of running their preferred desktop.
[05:30] <nalioth> !tell linner about sources
[05:30] <themot> !kde
[05:30] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[05:30] <linner> cafuego, yes I saw that webpage actually
[05:30] <c0rrup7> linner in synaptic
[05:30] <vanberge> linner, then see cafuego 's line
[05:30] <vanberge> :-)
[05:30] <c0rrup7> not the app installer
[05:30] <linner> hmmm...
[05:31] <c0rrup7> np
[05:31] <vanberge> linner, system > administration > synaptic package manager
[05:31] <linner> vanberge, I've got the pkg mgr open
[05:31] <c0rrup7> i just did the switch myself 2 days ago
[05:31] <linner> I know how to navigate to it
[05:31] <vanberge> your sure it is synaptic?
[05:31] <linner> thank you though
[05:31] <airmikey> ok whos was helpin me with vmware....sorry my battery died on laptop
[05:31] <cafuego> !info kubuntu-desktop
[05:31] <linner> vanberge, yes
[05:31] <BlueEagle> cafuego: Very good answer. :)
[05:31] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[05:31] <Gobbla> does anybody know if there is a way to play nsv files on linux?
[05:32] <themot> linner: think of synaptic as add/remove programs in a way
[05:32] <cafuego> Yes, it's in synaptic.
[05:32] <c0rrup7> airmikey, what was your question concerning vmware ?
[05:32] <linner> themot, yeah... that's the prime reason I really like Ubuntu... :)  SOmething familiar! :)
[05:32] <linner> oh yeah ... and it rocks!
[05:32] <linner> )
[05:32] <linner> :)
[05:32] <c0rrup7> yup really neato os
[05:32] <vanberge> linner, did you see cafuego's line above?
[05:32] <cafuego> BlueEagle: yes, I left out the bit where they would be severely misguided or need to have brain damage;-)
[05:32] <vanberge> kubuntu desktop
[05:33] <test34> when I try to start sshd I get a failed error.. (I'm using breezy..) but I can't see why in the  logs
[05:33] <c0rrup7> i just have probs with nvidia and raid ... :/
[05:33] <linner> I think so... the one about synaptic?
[05:33] <linner> yes
[05:33] <cafuego> 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop', 'y' ... wait...
[05:33] <BlueEagle> cafuego: or spare resources?
[05:33] <themot> c0rrup7:  airmikey needs to install gcc and kernel headers ...same issue i had when i was first learning
[05:33] <vanberge> kubuntu = kde ubuntu
[05:33] <nalioth> test34: obvious question: is it installed?
[05:33] <cafuego> BlueEagle: As of yesterday I don't have desktops with less then 1GB ram ;-)
[05:33] <intelikey> Gobbla i'm not familear with "nsv" format, but i'm sure that at least minimal support is avalable.
[05:33] <linner> cafuego, okay will do that too
[05:33] <test34> nalioth, yes
[05:33] <c0rrup7> ah i c, well that part i had done in less than 30 minutes
[05:33] <cafuego> BlueEagle: I'm sure the amd64 would handle a couple of users running KDe remotely.
[05:33] <themot> or source...i may be using wrong terminology
[05:34] <BlueEagle> cafuego: I don't like you anymore... *sob*
[05:34] <c0rrup7> install the packages via synaptic
[05:34] <nalioth> test34: breezy is still rough around the edges
[05:34] <BlueEagle> hehe
[05:34] <linner> nalioth, I look forward to the released version
[05:34] <linner> :)
[05:34] <c0rrup7> what version vmware and hoary or breezy ?
[05:34] <cafuego> BlueEagle: Well, we had to do *something* with the ram from the mac mini.
[05:34] <nmstryoda> nalioth, what edges?
[05:34] <nmstryoda> =)
[05:34] <vanberge> i am running hoary still... waiting for official release.
[05:34] <themot> 5.04 and vmware5
[05:34] <vanberge> hopefully upgrade will be smooth :-)
[05:34] <themot> i tried vm 4.5 and had issues
[05:34] <test34> nalioth, open-ssh-client and open-ssh-server and ssh
[05:34] <linner> what do you guys recommend for listening to podcasts
[05:34] <nalioth> nmstryoda: my ibook is still in rough condition with breezy
[05:35] <c0rrup7> ok should be fine themot
[05:35] <cafuego> linner: ears
[05:35] <nmstryoda> themot, i can't get vmware5 to work on ubuntu
[05:35] <linner> cafuego, funny
[05:35] <nmstryoda> nalioth, LOL
[05:35] <nmstryoda> k
[05:35] <linner> :)
[05:35] <kev_> i'm trying to get an ati tv-wonder ve working. i have the bttv module loading, and i'm telling it tuner=2 (for philips ntsc tuner). this is confirmed by dmesg but it does not report the NTSC tuner by i2c-core. any suggestions?
[05:35] <c0rrup7> vmware works flawlessly for me on 5.04
[05:35] <themot> nmstryoda: try this link, it's brief but may get you pointed in the right direction   http://www.tuxme.com/node/536
[05:36] <linner> cafuego, seriously... now... what do you listen to podcasts with... WHICH SOFTWARE.... :)
[05:36] <linner> vanberge, I can honestly say YES I do...
[05:36] <linner> did it last night
[05:36] <vanberge> :-)
[05:36] <cafuego> linner: You're making the wrong assumption.
[05:36] <c0rrup7> at least VMware-workstation-5.0.0-13124.tar.gz
[05:36] <c0rrup7>  does
[05:36] <linner> cafuego, huh?
[05:36] <PovRayMan> I'm loving Ubuntu so much.
[05:36] <themot> my vmware runs like a scalded dog
[05:37] <PovRayMan> I installed 5.04 the other day and it runs like a dream.
[05:37] <linner> cafuego, wow... that's very surprising... I listen to a linux podcast and the TWiT (this week in tech) casts too...
[05:37] <BlueEagle> cafuego: Haven't you got the discovery channel? o.O
[05:37] <PovRayMan> Anyways, I've got a question.  A simple one I think :)
[05:37] <linner> they're excellent!
[05:37] <dabaR> PovRayMan: but...:)
[05:37] <themot> !mark shuttleworth
[05:37] <ubotu> themot: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:37] <cafuego> BlueEagle: yes, I do. I care not for mummies, dinosaurs and ww2 footage.
[05:37] <PovRayMan> dabaR: my question is, with this upcoming 5.10 release, will i have to reinstall or will there be a simple kind of PATCH to make it all upgrade?
[05:37] <BlueEagle> cafuego: Can't go wrong with a good episode of mythbusters though...
[05:37] <linner> goodness cafuego ...
[05:37] <linner> I'm shockd.
[05:38] <linner> shocked even
[05:38] <cafuego> BlueEagle: I did when I was 12, but that's a LONG time ago.
[05:38] <themot> ubuntu works really well because it is backed by Mark Shuttleworth, a South African billionaire
[05:38] <linner> vanberge, do you listen to podcasts?
[05:38] <dabaR> PovRayMan: that is how...and dont do it before the official release.
[05:38] <PovRayMan> themot: Nigerian email scammer?
[05:38] <themot> that is to say, he has paid staff working on it
[05:38] <nalioth> PovRayMan: debian based linux' never have to be "reinstalled" due to the packaging system
[05:38] <airmikey> what is location of c header.......trying to load vmware