[00:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: do you have apt-transport-https installed?
[00:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, both outside (where the approx/apt-cacher-ng reside) and inside my chroot
[00:41] <Riddell> ooh, the mobile team havea kubunut netbook lucid working on their board
[00:47] <ryanakca> I'm guessing that https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1485298/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdeplasma-addons_4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz just needs time until build-deps get resolved?
[00:49] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I think that, too
[00:49] <neversfelde> probably waiting for workspace?
[00:50] <neversfelde> yes it needs it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[00:50] <Riddell> one of the arch all packages would have compiled first
[01:13] <ryanakca> Any harm in dputing to the PPA even if some of the b-d aren't ready (ex: kdeartwork)?
[01:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: no that's ok, you'll just need to retry it later
[03:34] <jjesse> after today's updates after i login, no desktop, plasma-desktop doesn't start up, krunner won't run through atl+f2, any ideas
[03:37] <jjesse>  running lucid in a vm
[03:39] <Lex79> because some packages needs still to build
[03:40] <jjesse> cool
[03:40] <jjesse> i did notice for the first the cool white Ubuntu screen breifly
[03:40] <jjesse> would be awesome if we could do blue Kubuntu
[03:41] <maco> O_O someone just flooded my inbox with kde stuff
[03:41] <jjesse> good kde sutff?
[03:41] <Lex79> nope, all packages ftbs :D
[03:41]  * maco hands Lex79 an extra f
[03:42] <Lex79> :)
[03:55] <shtylman> I think the kde slide out notifications will finally drive me to kill myself
[03:55] <shtylman> I can't express how much I hate them
[04:25] <ScottK> If I never saw a notification about a complete job again, it would be too soon.
[04:27] <ScottK> That and kpackagekit notifications.  Those drive me nuts too.
[07:45] <Quintasan> phew
[07:45] <Quintasan> it's alive
[07:45] <Quintasan> my computer almost died yesterday
[07:54] <Lure> uh, it seems kubuntu-devel rights does not give me right to retry build in LP
[07:54] <Lure> can any core-dev retry failed builds for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/digikam/2:1.1.0-1ubuntu1
[08:03] <Riddell> Lure: retried
[11:33] <ryanakca> How do I retry kdeplasma-addons? Both kdegraphics and kdebase-workspace have finally built...
[11:34] <ryanakca> kdeartwork can be retried as well now that kdebase-workspace built...
[12:05] <JontheEchidna> bug 517432
[12:32] <apachelogger> a package that is called -wallpapers but contains kdm themes
[12:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: neatos
[12:46]  * apachelogger still thinks that kdebase should ship but one theme and all other stuff should be in kdeartwork
[12:55] <markey> apachelogger: Mamarok says you should fill in your details for the Multimedia Sprint ASAP
[12:55] <markey> or else, she wants to whip you
[12:55] <markey> or something
[12:55] <apachelogger> oh jeee
[12:55] <apachelogger> whipping :D
[12:55] <markey> dunno, she sometimes hits me on the head, it hurts (but sometimes useful for resetting)
[12:56] <apachelogger> oh my, it seems that wiki page has moved :D
[12:57] <Mamarok> apachelogger: but there is a link to the new location :)
[12:57] <apachelogger> yeah, I just was shocked because the monster table was gone :P
[12:59] <markey> that monster table could eat little babies
[12:59] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:59] <apachelogger> I am wondering if there is no proper software for sprint organization
[12:59] <markey> args, Thunderbird is eating my CPU
[12:59] <markey> this cannot stand
[13:00] <markey> only got one...
[13:01] <apachelogger> my chromium even refuses to render that table in a scrollable way -.-
[13:13] <markey> apachelogger: Jeff just told you: ????
[13:13] <markey> what ???? did you do again? :)
[13:13] <markey> ah
[13:13] <markey> "thou shalt not use windows software on linux!"
[13:13] <markey> that one
[13:14] <markey> it's natively running on linux, that Thunderbird 3
[13:14] <markey> (got it from the Mozilla PPA, works nicely)
[13:20] <apachelogger> markey: yup, like amarok is natively running in windows :P
[13:21] <markey> well, it is
[13:22] <markey> I mean, whether you use Qt, or some other GUI library...
[13:22] <markey> they're all libraries
[13:22] <markey> it's definitely native
[13:22] <markey> not running in some POSIX sandbox or so
[13:22] <apachelogger> yup
[13:22] <markey> Google Earth uses Qt too, btw
[13:22] <apachelogger> that does not imply natively designed for the platform though :P
[13:22] <markey> (it just looks like GTK, bad style)
[13:22] <apachelogger> it is alien no matter what
[13:22] <markey> hm
[13:23] <markey> as far as I know, Qt apps look fairly native on Windows
[13:23] <markey> I mean, that's the whole point of it
[13:23] <apachelogger> not from the looks fro mthe design
[13:23] <markey> yeah, there are some differences
[13:23] <apachelogger> KDE apps will always feel alien in a mac env because apple got a whole different HIG
[13:23] <markey> but, I mean, look at iTunes: that is really running in some kind of OSX emulator
[13:23] <markey> (that's why it is so huge and slow on Windows)
[13:23] <markey> far less native then Amarok is
[13:24] <markey> iTunes is a 90MB download, or so
[13:24] <apachelogger> yes yes, I am not sure people will notice with their powerful machines that are actually made to make up for vendors like apple that deploy software with the single target of wasting system resources :|
[13:26] <Quintasan> LOL
[13:26] <apachelogger> oh yes, I am all C about my system resources :P
[13:27] <Quintasan> I got a package my reaction - "WTF I did not order anything" I open it and there is a towel inside xD
[13:27] <Lure> Riddell: will we get to virtuoso 6.1 before next alpha/beta in order to avoid need to convert database?
[13:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a towel?
[13:27] <Quintasan> yeah
[13:27] <Quintasan> :DD
[13:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: are you going on a trip or something?
[13:27] <markey> apachelogger: I write my bash scripts in pure assembler
[13:27] <markey> that's really fast
[13:27] <apachelogger> nothing wrong with a towel really, just a bit of the weird kind to get a towel and a towel alone :P
[13:27] <Quintasan> yes ,hitchhiking in galaxy
[13:27] <Quintasan> :P
[13:28] <apachelogger> markey: why would you try to emulate inefficiency in an efficient way? ;)
[13:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh nice, make sure to make pictures
[13:28] <markey> well
[13:28] <markey> see
[13:28] <apachelogger> you know how it is..
[13:28] <apachelogger> ...or it didnt happen
[13:28] <apachelogger> ;)
[13:28] <Quintasan> :)
[13:29] <Quintasan> hmm I just remembered
[13:29] <Quintasan> lol
[13:29] <markey> the other day, a user asked me on Identi.ca: "Markey, what is the logic behind many things you guys do in Amarok?"
[13:29] <Quintasan> srsly lol
[13:29] <markey> I replied, honestly: "There is no logic. It's pure awesome floating from our brains, mixed with a hint of insanity."
[13:29] <markey> which is the truth, I guess ;)
[13:29] <Quintasan> lol
[13:30] <apachelogger> markey: well, coding is a bit of an art anyway
[13:31] <markey> mix of art and craft, I like to say
[13:31] <markey> which is what I love about it :)
[13:32] <markey> real programming is in the head anyway. the typing itself, any monkey could do it
[13:32] <markey> first comes the thinking
[13:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: remember the Dooble guy? He said he appreciates my effort and wants to send me a gift -> http://imagebin.ca/view/xjlaYN7.html
[13:33] <Quintasan> XD
[13:40] <apachelogger> so, from graz I can get to zurich in ~11h by train, couchette bed, for 50 units of real money, one direction... or in ~7.5h by train+plane (vienna) for ~70 units of real money
[13:40] <apachelogger> flight is also one direction
[13:41] <apachelogger> in both cases that grows by train from zurich => end-of-world-sprint-location :P
[13:46] <apachelogger> also for some reason one seems to get a four-leaf with the train ticket http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot067.png
[13:51] <shadeslayer> oh hey guys :D
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on that backport.... it might take some time
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my motherboard is damaged so my laptop wont work and thats the only PC i have....
[14:10] <apachelogger> Mamarok: am I getting this right, that the train ride from zurich to randa is like 75 units of real money?
[14:10] <apachelogger> one direction
[14:10] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: pretty much the situation I'm in ;p
[14:10] <Mamarok> apachelogger: nope, it is CHF 127 both directions
[14:11] <Mamarok> apachelogger: see the Important Notice I attached to the wiki
[14:11] <apachelogger> hm
[14:11] <apachelogger> headache
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: welcome to the group
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: the PC im on right now is a Windows PC with viruses > 1000
[14:13] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I'm on Windows Mobile 5 ...so PDA
[14:13] <Tm_T> atleast you have keyboard (;)
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: well atleast you can type.. whatever i type comes on the screen after 10 mins and i cant open more than 5 sites via IE 6 :(
[14:15] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: awww (:
[14:15]  * Tm_T also has coffee in ubuntu mug <3
[14:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: that makes all a bit more ugly :D
[14:16] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: Dell is asking for $ 250 to extend the warranty
[14:17] <Mamarok> apachelogger: no, less, since the full price would be more like CHF 170 (ZH <-> Randa)
[14:17] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I suppose I will go like this: graz => zurich => zurich airport => randa
[14:17] <apachelogger> Mamarok: just more complicated
[14:17] <shadeslayer> and the motherboard is another 250
[14:17] <Mamarok> no, the Trasnfer ticket is valid from either the Airport or the Swiss border to and from the unique location, in your case Randa
[14:18] <Mamarok> so get a train ticket to the Swiss border, and the transfer Ticket within Switzerland
[14:18] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: ...warranty?
[14:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: yeah, but graz => zurich is super cheap because the oebb is hot on selling tickets to zurich
[14:18]  * Tm_T huggles apachelogger & Mamarok
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: yeah,im out f the warranty period :P
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: (They replace faulty stuff for free if your covered under a warranty :P )
[14:22] <shadeslayer> im this close to throwing a tantrum.....
[14:22]  * apachelogger rehuggles Tm_T
[14:24] <apachelogger> I should have gone to bed earlier
[14:32] <apachelogger> well
[14:32] <apachelogger> Mamarok: would zurich => zurich airport and then with that sepcial ticket => randa work at all?
[14:38] <maco> shadeslayer: dont you have a live cd?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> maco: nope and the ISO is on the busted PC
[14:39] <maco> shadeslayer: take the hard drive from the broken one and hook it up to the working one
[14:39] <shadeslayer> maco: different systems... this one is a HP laptop and i have a Dell :P
[14:40] <maco> so?
[14:40] <maco> is one ide and one sata?
[14:40] <maco> hp v. dell shouldnt mean anything
[14:40] <shadeslayer> maco: this one is 5 years old... incompatible drive bays i think
[14:40] <maco> get an external enclosure?
[14:40] <maco> theyre like $20
[14:41] <maco> then you can take the old drive and hook it up via usb
[14:41] <shadeslayer> hmmm...
[14:41] <shadeslayer> i dont think this one boots via USB...
[14:42] <shadeslayer> and ill have to check if this one is IDE or sata....
[14:43] <shadeslayer> gtg... talk later...
[14:46] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yes, it would, but why would you pay to Zürich if you can spare something :)
[14:46] <Mamarok> and you don't have to go to the airport, the train only comes back trough Zurich anyway :)
[14:47] <Mamarok> I don't know where exactly the train crosses the border, but I guess it is in Lustenau or around there, so get a ticket to and from Lustenau and the Transfer ticket Lustenau <-> Randa
[14:52] <maco> ?? i was trying to suggest hooking it up usb to pull the iso off to burn a live cd
[15:14] <allee-k> shtylman: kdm fails to start on lucid netbook: can not open theme file  /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm//theme/ethais
[15:14] <allee-k> shtylman: below ethais is only a wallpapers dir (with 2 wallpaper links)
[15:20] <ScottK> shtylman: I ponted allee-k at you.
[15:40] <nixternal> anyone here use sup?
[16:36] <hunger_p> KDM won't start after the update since the theme is not found.
[16:52] <Riddell> hunger_p: sorry about that, I'll fix it shortly
[16:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: it is the same price to zurich as it would be to buchs
[16:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: but the one going to zurich is a night train thus I have the option of not destorying my back ;)
[16:59] <Mamarok> apachelogger: OK, but you really don't have to go to the airport for that ticket
[16:59] <Mamarok> you can order it to be delivered home or at the ZH train station
[17:02] <apachelogger> Mamarok: oh, cool, thx :)
[18:03] <Wolfcastle> hello
[18:03] <Wolfcastle> how come kubuntu has no artwork theme?
[18:04] <binarylooks> Wolfcastle: sticking as much as possible to vanilla kde is the idea
[18:04] <binarylooks> kde knows how to do good artwork, why replace it?
[18:04] <Wolfcastle> true
[18:05] <Wolfcastle> but at least I get the feeling that kubuntu get's less attention from developers
[18:05] <binarylooks> kubuntu developers give it a lot of attention
[18:05] <Riddell> because we like upstream's artwork?
[18:23] <NCommander> Riddell: ScottK: can you upload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/514404 :-)
[18:24] <NCommander> Or any other core dev
[18:25] <Riddell> NCommander: ok
[18:27] <NCommander> Riddell: woo. Thanks. I'll make sure to knudge the kde packages on armel
[18:29] <Lex79> Riddell: in ninja ppa seems all packages that depends on kdebase-workspace are ftbs
[18:29] <Lex79> chroot pronlems?
[18:30] <Lex79> *problems
[18:30] <Riddell> Lex79: kdebase-workspace didn't compile, I'm looking at it now
[18:30] <Riddell> or wait, I'm looking at it on karmic now
[18:31] <Lex79> nah for karmic is fine
[18:31] <Lex79> I just retry
[18:32] <Lex79> Riddell: the problem is in lucid, the packages can't find kdebase-wrokspace, but it's there
[18:35] <NCommander> Riddell: any ideas why KOffice is NBSing out?
[18:42] <ScottK> NCommander: Because we're moving to koffice2
[18:42] <NCommander> ScottK: thanks
[18:43] <NCommander> ScottK: is there a reason we're build-deping on boost 1.38 versus another version thats already in main?
[18:44] <ScottK> NCommander: Because it hasn't been uploaded since that was the one we wanted.  No point in an upload until the MIRs are done.
[18:44] <ScottK> nixternal is on top of koffice
[19:18] <Riddell> Lex79: hmm, kdebindings is the issue I think
[19:18] <Riddell> python-kde4 needs to be updated for the new sip depends stuff
[19:18] <Riddell> this is going to take ages to confirm, kdebindings being the beast that it is
[19:19] <ScottK> I don't think Debian updated for that yet.
[19:19] <Lex79> Riddell: btw there is a new tar for kdebindings
[19:19] <ScottK> Fortunately we have NCommander.
[19:19] <Quintasan> \o
[19:19] <Riddell> Lex79: oh yes, good point, I'll grab that too
[19:19] <Lex79> ok
[19:19]  * daskreech pushes nixternal from koffice and claims king of the office status
[19:20] <Riddell> alas the MIR people are king of koffice and they're not budging
[19:20] <Riddell> if they don't sort it next week I'll just promote the packages, we'd not going to miss feature freeze for beurocracy
[19:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I hope you aren't planning on flying to DC tomorrow.
[19:22] <Riddell> ScottK: wibble
[19:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Two feet of snow say odds not good.  If you can, I'd move to Sunday.
[19:23] <ScottK> It's coming down pretty hard already.
[19:23] <ScottK> Winter Storm Warning for the next ~32 hours
[19:23] <Riddell> I've both rescheduled to a non cancelled flight and held on a sunday flight
[19:23] <ScottK> Sounds like a good plan.
[19:24] <ScottK> Book a hotel room near the Portland airport for Saturday night?
[19:25] <Riddell> I think my current hotel room will be extended
[19:27] <ScottK> I'm flying out Sunday afternoon.
[19:28] <NCommander> ScottK & Riddell: I'll take a look at it.
[19:28] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[19:28] <Riddell> NCommander: at what?
[19:28] <NCommander> Riddell: kdebindings whacking
[19:28] <ScottK> (for the sip changes)
[19:29] <Riddell> NCommander: I know what the issue it, it needs dh_sip calling and the new sip depends variable
[19:29] <Riddell> although I'm not sure why that wasn't an issue when I compiled it locally yesterday
[19:29] <NCommander> Riddell: python-sip wasn't in the archive
[19:29] <NCommander> Riddell: sure you want to handle it?
[19:30] <Riddell> but I had the new python-sip locally though
[19:31] <Riddell> oh I had the dummy python-sip4 installed but that might not get pulled in by the build-deps now
[19:35] <Riddell> NCommander: the kubuntu_01_pykde_fix.diff patch can probably go
[19:35] <Riddell> it should be in that new tar
[19:36] <NCommander> Riddell: the packaging for the new versions can be public, right?
[19:38] <Riddell> NCommander: yes it's in bzr
[19:38] <Riddell> just the tar is secret
[19:40] <Riddell> debfx: rickspencer3 has the details for the firefox patches and will ask the mozilla guy for approval
[19:40]  * rickspencer3 looks
[19:43] <Riddell> Lex79: kdebase-wrokspace still has issues on karmic, I'll look at that
[19:43] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm uploading the new tar with the fix
[19:43] <Riddell> Lex79: oh, groovy
[19:44] <Riddell> Lex79: any plans for the other two kdebase new tars?
[19:45] <Lex79> Riddell: nope, can you upload them?
[19:45] <Riddell> can do
[20:20] <NCommander>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: okular-dev (>= 4:4.3.98) but it is not installable
[20:20] <NCommander> ugh
[20:20] <NCommander> :-/
[20:22] <NCommander> Riddell: I committed the dh_sip changes but I can't test build ATM
[20:24] <ScottK> NCommander: Are you on amd64?
[20:24] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah
[20:24] <NCommander> ScottK: can I assume thats why I'm broken? :-)
[20:25] <ScottK> rmadison agrees you can't build it
[20:28] <Riddell> does something not install on amd64?
[20:29] <maco> ScottK: -updates always has up to date clamav definitions right? dont need -backports?
[20:43] <NCommander> Riddell: can you grab my bzr changes and build it?
[20:46] <agateau> Riddell: are you aware of a python-sip / python-sip4 problem?
[20:46] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/f49fe53e1
[20:47] <Riddell> hmm
[20:49] <Lex79> bug #517289
[20:49] <Riddell> agateau: oh I think I did the replaces wrong there
[20:49] <agateau> Lex79: that's the one
[20:50] <Riddell> agateau: I'll fix it, do a --force-overwrite in the mean time
[20:50] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks!
[20:50] <agateau> Riddell: python-sip is supposed to replace python-sip4 or is it the other way?
[20:51] <Riddell> yes
[20:51] <Riddell> python-sip is the new one
[20:51] <Riddell> python-sip4 just a dummy package now
[20:51] <agateau> ok
[20:52] <Lex79> Riddell: Colin Watson fixed
[20:53] <Lex79> I mean, Colin fixed the python bug, and not that Colin is fixed :D
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: right? :)
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> Something being "fixed" means that it can no longer have babies :D (You "fix" your dog, for example)
[20:55] <Riddell> what python bug?
[20:55] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: oh my LoL
[20:55] <Lex79> Riddell: bug 517289
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> whoa, uninstalling a package in Shaman with the apt backend actually worked
[20:58] <tomplast> ScottK: Sorry for being so abscent lately. As you know I was going to find out a little more about usb-modeswitch and modem-modeswitch (included in udev). Tomorrow I'll look a bit deeper into it but from the looks of it, modem-modeswitch supports far less devices than usb-modeswitch. On an offtopic mailing list (http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/49483ce951c7944f?fwc=1) for Debian they are
[20:58] <tomplast> discussing when they will be able to replace modem-modeswitch with usb_modeswitch. Anyway, I mostly wanted to tell you that I haven't abandoned this. Time for bed here, gnight.
[20:58] <ScottK> tomplast: Great.  Welcome back.
[20:58] <jussi01> couple of quick packaging errors in lucid if anyody wants them:
[20:58] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sip_4.10.0-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[20:58] <jussi01>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/sip.so', which is also in package python-sip4 0:4.10.0-0ubuntu1
[20:59] <jussi01> and
[20:59] <ScottK> jussi01: Fixed.
[20:59] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.3.98-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[20:59] <jussi01>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/circles/KdmGreeterTheme.desktop', which is also in package kdm 4:4.3.95-0ubuntu1
[20:59] <ScottK> Just waiting for it to bild
[20:59] <ScottK> (the sip one)
[20:59] <jussi01> ScottK: cool! I can easilly force overite them, but good thing for people to know :)
[20:59] <ScottK> Yep
[21:03] <ryanakca> How do I retry a package? kdeplasma-addons / kdeartworks were good to be retried this morning...
[21:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: in lucid?
[21:03] <Riddell> in ninjas PPA?
[21:04] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages
[21:04] <Riddell> click on build
[21:04] <Riddell> Retry this build -> retry
[21:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: In the PPA, thanks
[21:18] <Riddell> NCommander: what's wrong with kdebindings on amd64?  the build-deps seem ok to install for me
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: will your talk be recorded and available somewhere?
[21:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: ?
[21:21] <Riddell> jussi01: doesn't kdebase-workspace-wallpapers replace kdm << 4:4.3.98-0ubuntu2 ?
[21:38] <Lex79>  kdebase-workspace-wallpapers replaces kdm in 4.4.0, apachelogger committed in bzr
[21:51] <NCommander> Riddell: it didn't work here, I'm looking at it now on i386 now that my chroot is fixed
[22:08] <nixternal> oi oi
[22:23] <jussi01> Riddell: Im not entirely sure, just reporting the error I got on upgrade
[22:49] <ryanakca> Ummm... why are all the kdebase-workspace package versions 4.4.0a-0ubuntu1 instead of 4.4.0-0ubuntu1?
[22:53] <nixternal> what is up with Lucid and the netbook? I just did a upgrade today, after a fresh install the other day, and didn't install a damn thing on it, and it is now "Generating locales..."
[22:54] <nixternal> this is the 2nd time now with Lucid, never in my life had this in the past
[22:54] <ryanakca> , along with kdebase-runtime and kdebase... Looking at the versions on ktown, I see "kdebase-4.4.0.tar.bz2              kdebase-runtime-4.4.0.tar.bz2      kdebase-workspace-4.4.0.tar.bz2"
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: they uploaded new tarballs to ktown, so we had to bump the tarball version to allow it to upload properly to the ppa
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> it'll be bumped back down on the lucid/main upload
[23:02] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK. I guess I'll need to modify kdeartwork and kdeplasma-addons for the PPA?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> if they are already uploaded to the ppa and they updated the tars at ktown, yes
[23:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: the build-dep versions are fine to keep at 4.4.0
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> basically the buildd is just pissy about uploading a different tar of the same name
[23:03] <Riddell> nixternal: do you really want to knoe?
[23:03] <Riddell> know
[23:04] <neversfelde> How do I update a package in Debian, is there a tool for this like our REVU?
[23:05] <Riddell> nixternal: just as a warning, the answer involves the word "klingon"
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> haha
[23:05] <Riddell> neversfelde: debian mentors rings a bell
[23:06] <neversfelde> Riddell: thank you
[23:08] <nixternal> damn klingons
[23:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: Even though kdeplasma-addons and kdeartwork haven't yet built AFAIK?
[23:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's the question?
[23:11] <nixternal> Riddell: do you have any inside scoop on the KOffice MIRs?
[23:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: The build-dep versions are fine to keep at 4.4.0 even though kdeplasma-addons and kdeartwork haven't had a successful build yet?
[23:11] <nixternal> there has been 0 activity on them, other than someone being subscribed to them
[23:11] <ryanakca> (for PPA)
[23:11] <Riddell> nixternal: lool said he has no time, asac hasn't answered, if it doesn't happen next week I'll just promote them
[23:11] <Lex79> ryanakca: yes, keep 4.4.0
[23:13] <Lex79> uhm something is wrong in ppa :)
[23:14] <Lex79> I don't understand why kdebase-workspace-bin don't want install in the chroot
[23:14] <Riddell> Lex79: it's waiting on python-kde4
[23:14] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy, give me a heads up when you do so, that way there I can massage KOffice into a lovely package
[23:14] <Riddell> which is being compiled by NCommander
[23:15] <Lex79> ah, great
[23:15] <NCommander> Riddell: trying
[23:15] <NCommander> Riddell: it blew up in my face. Again.
[23:15] <Lex79> Riddell: btw there is a new tar for bindings
[23:15] <Riddell> yes we got that
[23:15] <Lex79> k
[23:19] <Lex79> Riddell: when you've time take a look at kdepim-dev, I think is no longer need since the .install file is empty
[23:20] <nixternal> jjesse: what did you do to Kubuntu docs?
[23:25] <nixternal> jjesse: nevermind, LP is just odd as hell...scared me a bit


[10:18] <AlanBell> just trying to get loco directory running locally, getting "django.db.utils.DatabaseError: no such table: auth_group" when doing ./manage.py init-ld
[10:20] <AlanBell> never mind
[10:21] <AlanBell> reading INSTALL file helps
[11:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: why locally wht are you working on?
[11:43] <AlanBell> well for a start going to add /continents/europe so that clicking the map doesn't take so flipping long becaues it is going to an anchor on that big list of teams
[11:43] <AlanBell> would like clicking the map to take you to a sub-map of clickable countries, but that might be more work
[11:44] <AlanBell> and I might do a different URL mapping for events
[11:45] <czajkowski> there is a bug re url event
[11:45] <AlanBell> would really like it to just open on "my team"
[11:45] <czajkowski> or are you saying mapping url
[11:45] <AlanBell> because I really don't care very much about what other teams are up to (and vice versa)
[11:46] <AlanBell> I mean http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/ doesn't make a huge amount of sense
[11:47] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/books-and-butties would make more sense
[11:48] <czajkowski> AlanBell: the bug has been logged about that already
[11:48] <czajkowski> we've filed it
[11:48] <AlanBell> jolly good
[11:49] <AlanBell> anyone fixed it?
[11:50] <czajkowski> AlanBell: look at the list of bugs and see :)
[11:50] <AlanBell> and "back to events list" is not idea, takes you back to the full global events list, you want "back to team"
[11:51] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/736208
[11:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 736208 in loco-directory "Team name in the URL for an event would be great (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[11:55] <AlanBell> yay, that works
[11:56] <AlanBell> so no update of live since March?
[11:56] <czajkowski> good to look at list of bugs some are being worked onn
[11:56] <czajkowski> no idea i;m no dev
[11:56] <czajkowski> or it'd neer work
[11:56] <czajkowski> never
[11:57] <AlanBell> well that one was fixed in trunk 2011/03/18 and isn't live yet
[11:58] <czajkowski> talk to dev or ask dholbach
[11:58] <dholbach> I don't know
[11:58] <dholbach> I'm sorry
[11:58] <czajkowski> magic of highlight
[11:58] <czajkowski> sorry
[11:58] <dholbach> :)
[11:59] <AlanBell> there is a my teams link in trunk too, so that one is fixed, bug 669422
[11:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 669422 in loco-directory "add a link to my team(s) on the front page (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669422
[12:03] <AlanBell> can't find anything about the map and /teams being slow
[12:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: mhall119 knows about it already told him
[12:04] <czajkowski> he;s working on it
[12:06] <AlanBell> having the /teams/me url working is good, makes the thing much more useable
[12:17] <nigelb> AlanBell: You do know we moved discussion to #ubuntu-website right?
[12:18] <AlanBell> no
[12:20] <nigelb> AlanBell: oh.
[12:20] <nigelb> AlanBell: Well, we wanted to get all of web discussion in one place. Summit and others were not on-topic here, so we moved the entire webdev discussion to #ubuntu-website
[12:20] <AlanBell> I do now though
[16:44] <czajkowski> popey: missing from over --->
[18:28] <AlanBell> anyone got a script that uses lplib that goes through a team on launchpad then adds up all the karma of the members, finds out how many bugs they have filed and fixed and does other interesting stats?
[18:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: talk to paultag
[20:27] <paultag> what's up?
[20:28] <paultag> AlanBell: oh yeah I did that at one point
[20:30] <AlanBell> if you have any code kicking about to get me started that would be great
[20:31] <AlanBell> I can do the karma adding easily enough, just lack imagination on other interesting stats to pull
[20:33] <paultag> AlanBell: yeah, I was using it to measure LoCo activity
[20:34] <ejat> so is the script available public ?
[20:36] <paultag> ejat: mine?
[20:36] <ejat> :)
[20:36] <paultag> ejat: it is, in fact :)
[20:37] <paultag> https://github.com/paultag/locotools ← been made obsolete for the most part by locolint
[20:37] <ejat> owh .. so it do what AlanBell plan to do ..
[20:37] <AlanBell> and what is locolint?
[20:38] <paultag> AlanBell: it's a small util we use to avoid doing anything manually with locos on the loco council. Wrote it when I was board
[20:38] <paultag> https://code.launchpad.net/locolint
[20:39] <paultag> ach, I mean https://launchpad.net/locolint
[20:39] <paultag> stupid autocomplete
[20:39] <ejat> lol
[20:39] <paultag> the docs are sparse, but can be found @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoLint
[20:40] <AlanBell> it even finds out who the loco contact is :)
[20:40] <paultag> AlanBell: sure does :)
[20:43] <AlanBell> ok, so the activity monitor on github seems to be the thing to go for
[20:43] <AlanBell> but I am probably going to do some more stats
[20:44] <ejat> AlanBell : cool ..
[20:45] <AlanBell> this is going to take some time :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> argh, paultag! create activity-monitor/data/
[21:24] <AlanBell> 844 team members processed and no such file or directory


[20:22] <mwhudson> good morning
[20:53] <thumper> morning
[20:54] <mwhudson> thumper: morning
[20:55] <thumper> mwhudson: shall we have our morning call?
[20:57] <mwhudson> thumper: sure, couple minutes?
[20:57] <thumper> ok
[21:02] <mwhudson> thumper: ready now
[21:07] <mwhudson> thumper: http://xkcd.com/171/
[21:11] <thumper> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=38414&atid=422032


[00:29] <ScottK> How well is Mobile Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD supported in Maverick/Natty?
[00:46] <RAOF> About as well as any other intel card; 2D/3D should work well, but there's not (yet?) any support for the video decoding hardware.
[00:46] <RAOF> ScottK: Also, how's the KDE bug travelling?
[02:17] <Amaranth> bryceh: you didn't actually mark the unlockrect bug private
[02:18] <Amaranth> there we go, launchpad took a few tries but I managed to do so
[02:23] <bjsnider> RAOF, there is support for the video decoding through vaapi. the vaapi driver is in maverick and natty
[02:23] <bjsnider> the vaapi code anyway
[02:23] <bjsnider> but i can't say if it works well or not
[02:32] <RAOF> bjsnider: Last I saw of it, libva would assert() if you tried it on that card.
[02:32] <bryceh> Amaranth, hmm still is marked public
[02:32] <bjsnider> RAOF, with the code in maverick?
[02:32] <bryceh> gods how I hate working with proprietary companies
[02:32] <RAOF> bjsnider: With whatever's latest.
[02:33] <Amaranth> bryceh: ok, so launchpad must have lied to both of us
[02:33] <Amaranth> bryceh: I can't believe they gave you such a BS list and now want it private though
[02:33] <bjsnider> RAOF, well, i say give it the old college try anyway
[02:33] <bryceh> Amaranth, indeed
[02:33] <Amaranth> Perhaps they don't want people to know they don't even know how their own driver works :)
[02:34] <bryceh> Amaranth, I wouldn't argue with you on that
[02:34] <bryceh> Amaranth, so there was nothing useful in that information they gave us, anyway?
[02:34] <Amaranth> bryceh: nothing at all
[02:35] <Amaranth> bryceh: We either do what they say they are limited to or have always _not_ done what they say we are limited to so the limits are clearly not true
[02:35] <Amaranth> I suppose unity may be doing something extra that the list could help sort out but I question the validity of the entire list
[02:36] <Amaranth> and I've just tried 3 times to mark the bug private, it won't stick
[02:36] <bryceh> I'm reporting it to launchpad
[02:36] <Amaranth> perhaps because I'm not subscribed
[02:37] <Amaranth> the security bit seems to stick
[02:37] <Amaranth> but even after subscribing explicitly private won't
[02:40] <bryceh> sheer craziness
[02:45] <ScottK> RAOF: Seems fine.  I'm having a hard time getting Sylvia to reply to the bugmail though.  I'm on travel now for $WORK.  I'll reply over the weekend if she doesn't.
[02:47] <RAOF> ScottK: That's ok.  It won't hurt to let the patch can bake for a while in an actual xserver release before foisting it on all of Maverick.
[02:49] <bryceh> Amaranth, bug #705713
[02:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705713 in launchpad "Timeout trying to set bug private (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705713
[06:18] <RAOF> Damn you, mklib.  Stop foiling my every move!
[06:20] <bryceh> tired
[06:21] <RAOF> You are, or I am?
[06:21] <RAOF> Or, I guess, both :)
[06:25] <bryceh> well, I definitely am
[06:30] <bryceh> car battery dead.
[06:45] <bryceh> plus I think half the crap we don't really need
[06:45] <bryceh> once we forgot the portable highchair.  It was not a problem:
[06:45] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/files/belt_chair.jpg
[06:47] <RAOF> Awesome.  McGyver baby!
[07:07] <RAOF> You win again, mesa!
[07:07]  * RAOF heads to dinner.
[07:09] <tjaalton> bryceh: heh :)
[11:47] <alkisg> I have a school lab with intel 845 cards which is unstable with 10.04 and stable with 10.10.
[11:47] <alkisg> Is there anything that I could update in 10.04 so that I stick to LTS releases for policy reasons? Or the only solution is to upgrade to 10.10?
[11:56] <tjaalton> it'd probably need newer drm-modules, libdrm and the intel driver (possibly mesa too, if 3d works at all)
[11:56] <tjaalton> so delicate backporting and it could work
[11:56] <tjaalton> make a dkms package of the drm modules from .35
[12:53] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton, I'll try backporting those
[13:04]  * alkisg tries https://launchpad.net/~glasen/+archive/intel-driver ...
[13:05] <tjaalton> yeah there might be a ready ppa already
[13:05] <tjaalton> -ready
[13:05] <tjaalton> ..but that's likely not it :)
[13:06] <alkisg> Oh. I thought it had the newest intel driver + drm there
[15:42] <seb128> bryceh, here?
[17:21] <bryceh> yep


[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[21:47] <ubuntuquestions> hello
[21:48] <ubuntuquestions> can linux crash


[02:54] <rx> hows the kde-unstable-weekly ppa? worth checking out? ;-)
[07:13] <soee> good morning
[07:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:09] <Riddell> ScottK: sddm with cmake licences now inline as I'd intended
[08:09] <Riddell> uploaded
[08:39] <Riddell> oh dear much unhappyness in debian land today
[08:39] <Riddell> from reading lwn headlines
[08:39] <soee> what happend ?
[08:46] <Riddell> three high profile people stepping down from positions
[08:47] <Riddell> and bruce perens adding lots of grumpy comments
[08:49] <lordievader> Choosing a new init system that everybody seems to hate ain't easy :(
[10:25] <kfunk> is there a meta package to get all of the libkf5-*-dev packages?
[11:21] <Riddell> kfunk: sudo apt-get build-dep kdelibs4support :)
[11:21] <kfunk> tells me that I don't have source pkgs
[11:21] <kfunk> anyway, I've used my mighty regex skills with apt-get
[11:21] <Riddell> add them?  nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k<tab>
[11:21] <Riddell> kfunk: meta packages will need to be sorted out at some point this cycle for various use cases
[11:21] <Riddell> infact I'll add a todo item
[11:23] <Riddell> we have a blue systems meeting today so I might not be online all day
[11:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted.
[12:13] <allee> kubotu: newversion digikam 4.5.0
[12:20] <Riddell> ScottK: awooga!
[12:20] <Riddell> allee: your favourite :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:31] <soee> hey BluesKaj
[12:53] <sgclark> morning
[13:02] <BluesKaj> hi soee, sgclark
[13:24] <_Groo_> anyone having an issue with latest kf5 unstable-daily?
[13:25] <_Groo_> i cant log anymore, after lightdm, kde shows up and freezes in the login progress (actually freezes while doing the animation)
[13:26] <sgclark> I have not enabled ci since I upgraded to vivid, sorry. and it sounds like I don't want to haha
[13:26] <lordievader> _Groo_: I was just updating, I'll check once it finishes.
[13:26] <soee> sgclark: on vivid already
[13:27] <soee> ?
[13:27] <_Groo_> lordievader: i hope you have a backup DM :D
[13:27] <sgclark> yeah I made the jump over the weekend
[13:28] <soee> sgclark: hows it working ?
[13:28] <sgclark> soee: kinda buggy, but so far nothing I can't live with
[13:28] <soee> :)
[13:29] <lordievader> _Groo_: I have backup pc's for that :P And I just logged out and in again, no problems.
[13:29] <lordievader> sgclark: Here the experience has been quite smooth.
[13:30] <_Groo_> lordievader: do you have hybrid graphics?
[13:31] <lordievader> _Groo_: Nope, its an old laptop with an Intel chip.
[13:35] <_Groo_> lordievader: really strange, with latest build, the kde login freezes at the animation. no xorg error, no kernel crash, nothing. and it works in unity, so its not an opengl/compositing bug
[13:37] <_Groo_> kscreen is missing from the latest build, but i dont know if its related
[13:37] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IawJvAqM
[13:37] <_Groo_> failed to copy
[13:38] <soee> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/10/kubuntu-15-04-vivid-plasma-5-desktop-default#comment-1664342278 :P
[13:39] <lordievader> _Groo_: Kscreen is installed here...
[13:39] <lordievader> 2.0.0~git20141114-0ubuntu1
[13:39] <_Groo_> lordievader: are you sure we are talking about the same ppa?
[13:39] <_Groo_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-daily/+packages
[13:40] <_Groo_> kscreen                                                     2.0.0~git20140827-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
[13:40] <_Groo_> and its crashing in kdeinit, i got the trace in /var/crash
[13:41] <lordievader> Ah, I have the unstable, not the unstable-daily.
[13:41] <_Groo_> its crashing in the unstable-daily
[13:41] <_Groo_> the one with 98% less problems, lololol
[13:42] <sgclark> hmm 827 that is quite old..
[13:42] <_Groo_> it reminds me of a goblin quest i did in wow
[13:42] <lordievader> Gonna install i3 and then I'll add the daily ;)
[13:42] <_Groo_> the goblin asked me to jump on a rocket he built, and told me it was 99% safe
[13:43] <_Groo_> once i get on it, it explodes in mid air, and i hear him saying on the ground.. oh, he was customer number 100!!!! trolololol
[13:43]  * _Groo_ loves goblins :D
[13:43] <_Groo_> sgclark: the newest kscreen is failing to copy to unstable daily, see the pastebin above
[13:44] <_Groo_> oh well, gonna switch to unstable again
[13:44] <_Groo_> flip flop ppa :D
[13:44] <lordievader> Ohh no wait, my ppa is unstabler: "Direct landing PPA - very unstable" Never mind...
[13:44] <_Groo_> yeah, just switch to taht one again
[13:44] <lordievader> So if I understand correctly: unstable -> unstable-daily -> unstable-weekly
[13:44] <_Groo_> until its fixed in daily
[13:45] <_Groo_> yeah but the daily isnt exactly daily
[13:45] <_Groo_> it didnt had any package for 4 days
[13:45] <_Groo_> and now its broken
[13:45] <sgclark> something is definately up with kscreen
[13:47] <lordievader> Hmm, the date the launchapd shows is 2014-09-29, while the rest is a lot newer...
[13:47] <_Groo_> sgclark: the unstable daily is missing kscreen and kwin/kwin-data
[13:48] <lordievader> The builds for kscreen failed...
[13:48] <sgclark> mmhmm.
[13:48] <lordievader> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[13:50] <lordievader> Also: Found unsuitable Qt version "" from NOTFOUND, this code requires Qt 4.x
[14:18] <lordievader> There are a few other packages that failed to build.
[14:25] <sgclark> Riddell: I still only see kolf in applications. Any more apps gonna migrate over for me to package?
[14:27] <sgclark> lordievader: kwin just had a successful build, guess they just need to copy that one over. kscreen is not even in git which I suspect is a problem. alas I am not on ci team so I can't help much except research.
[14:31] <lordievader> sgclark: I'm not even a Kubuntu member, just reporting what I see ;)
[14:45] <sgclark> ahh, seems they are all at a meeting today, back to my sok project
[14:47] <bukai> sgclark: What is your SoK project?
[14:48] <sgclark> I am working on the KDE Continuous Integration system.
[14:48] <sgclark> devops
[14:49] <bukai> sgclark: Wow! Btw apart from my sok project are there any thing that I can contribute to?
[14:50] <sgclark> bukai: always stuff to contibute to! just a matter of finding stuff you like to do
[14:51] <sgclark> bukai: I started with documentation, but have since moved on to packaging and much more.
[14:52] <bukai> sgclark: Can  I start with the same ?
[14:52] <sgclark> bukai: pretty sure our wiki could use a good cleanup, alot has changed since we put it up
[14:52] <sgclark> bukai: of course!
[14:53] <bukai> sgclark: So how do I start with it?
[14:53] <sgclark> bukai: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu think you need to create a KDE identity if you haven;t already
[14:56] <sgclark> bukai: just verify that the docs apply still and update if it does not. Also some new docs in regards to plasma5 would be great.
[15:02] <bukai> sgclark: I have a KDE identity.
[15:04] <sgclark> bukai: cool, then it is just a matter of comparing the docs to a kubuntu installation and updating/edit the wiki. If possible also make an install of plasma5 to write about.
[15:05] <sgclark> and of course feel free to ask questions here
[15:07] <bukai> sgclark: Ok, I will start with it but sadly I can't start with it right now as I am having my semester exams going on. Though I am trying my best to find some time to work on the site.
[15:07] <sgclark> bukai: yes please focus on school :) work on it whenever you have free time, no pressure!
[15:08] <bukai> Thanks :)
[15:30] <_Groo_> can someone confirm that sddm is MIA in both kubuntu-ci unstable and daily unstable?
[15:32] <lordievader> MIA?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Missing in Action
[15:38] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yes
[15:38] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: SDDM isn't integrated yet
[15:39] <lordievader> Ah, check.
[15:41] <_Groo_> but it was there before
[15:41] <_Groo_> it was even integrated (more or less) with systemd-login0
[17:03] <_Groo_> btw
[17:03] <_Groo_> i dont know who can fix this, maybe shadeslayer or Riddell
[17:04] <_Groo_> but with our kf5 + 14.10 we have a very nasty bug that simply creates GBs of .xsession-error.log
[17:05] <_Groo_> the famous _xgeWireToEvent: Unknown extension 148, this should never happen bug
[17:05] <_Groo_> i just tested it, and its fixed in libXext 1.3.3
[17:05] <_Groo_> unfortunately 14.10 is still on 1.3.2
[17:06] <_Groo_> so whoever is brave enough to install kf5 will get a big .xsession-error file every time till this is fixed upstream
[17:15] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=sddm&field.status_filter=superseded&field.series_filter=
[17:16] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: no SDDM from CI, ever
[17:16] <_Groo_> oO
[17:16] <shadeslayer> it was only ever shipped from the next PPA
[17:16] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah, that explains it, i started with the next ppa
[17:17] <shadeslayer> right
[17:17] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it worked fine actually, but i had a lot of systemd-login0 problems
[17:17] <shadeslayer> I think that's because we were building without systemd support
[17:17] <shadeslayer> because systemd isn't supported on Ubuntu yet
[17:17] <shadeslayer> fully supported anyway
[17:18]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[17:21] <lordievader> It does work fine though :)
[17:27] <Riddell> sgclark: well if you package them then they'll be packaged
[17:27] <Riddell> sgclark: instructions are on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas "the plan"
[17:34] <sgclark> Riddell: well uh yeah I know if I package them they will be packaged, I meant git repos, but I now see the instructions. I am busy now but will package some when I can. thanks..
[17:35] <Riddell> great
[17:35] <Riddell> after we've done a few we can just automate it more with bash loops and then next time we'll go back to using kubuntu-automation
[17:36] <sgclark>  ok
[18:19] <soee> lordievader: you are on vivid?
[18:22] <lordievader> soee: Yes, I have the full package :) (Well one box does)
[18:27] <soee> lordievader: forks fine ? anu problems during upgrade ?
[18:28] <lordievader> During what upgrade? And yes it works fine here.
[18:29] <lordievader> soee: By the by, I installed it fresh through a debootstrap.
[18:29] <soee> oh
[18:30] <soee> i wonder how will upgrade work
[18:30] <lordievader> Try it ;)
[18:34] <soee> thers plasma 5 by defautl already ?
[18:35] <sgclark> not that I could find. I ended up with kde4
[18:35] <soee> :<
[18:36] <lordievader> soee: Add the ci ppa ;)
[18:37] <sgclark> yeah the one I did upgrade went mostly ok, except sddm was not in archive yet
[19:40] <_Groo_> anyone having problems logging in kf5 today? like freezing in the breeze login animation?
[19:59] <teward> is there a list of the packages in the kubuntu seed
[20:04] <Noskcaj> teward, Somewhere on people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/ , i'm not sure exactly what you want
[20:05] <teward> Noskcaj: for some reason, the sponsorship queue shows nginx listed as `ubuntu-server, kubuntu bugs`
[20:05] <teward> MOTU suggested it might be in the seeds, but IDK why it would be.
[20:05] <teward> tryin to figure out why it's listed as such, and whether it's listed in the seeds or not
[20:06] <teward> and i found out the answer - it's in the kubuntu packageset
[20:06] <teward> now i'm curious why
[20:06] <Noskcaj> There should be a changelog somewhere
[20:08] <teward> Noskcaj: if you find one let me know, i'm curious when, and why, it was added...
[20:10] <Noskcaj> Perhaps download http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.vivid and grep for nginx, that will let you know where it is
[20:10] <teward> would be wonderful if it werent a 404
[20:10] <Noskcaj> Since it's in all+extra it is seeded somewhere
[20:11] <yofel> nginx                                                       | nginx                                  | Kubuntu.Vivid supported-misc-servers seed         | Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    |            3596 |              47
[20:12] <teward> still kinda curious why it's considered part of the kubuntu seed
[20:12] <teward> less 'where is it considered part of the seed' and more 'why is it considered part of the seed`
[20:12]  * teward shrugs
[20:13] <yofel> I wonder what's supported-misc-servers
[20:13] <teward> same.  I would udnerstand if it were in the ubuntu server seeds somewhere, but...
[20:24] <soee> lordievader: ci ppa probably is to much unstable
[20:25] <lordievader> soee: You should read the description, their pretty funny ;)
[20:26] <lordievader> But the weekly is probably quite stable, seeing that I've yet to experience trouble with the landing ppa.
[22:07] <teward> yofel: if you're still around, how would we figure out what a specific seed is for?  (in this case, the Kubuntu.Vivid supported-misc-servers seed)  Who do we bother?
[22:08] <yofel> teward: for seed questions I would try asking cjwatson, he'll usually know whats up
[22:08] <teward> oh goody i have to bother him about the LP api so I guess I'll bother him about that
[22:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what's with ktorrent not building on Vivid?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> have logs?
[23:59] <allee> argl.  bzr bd-do is exiting immediately because one of the quilt patches does not longer apply.  What the trick to  bd-do  stay in unpacked sources?


[00:15] <d3ngar_> hey there
[00:16] <d3ngar_> I have a touchpad that I would like to switch off
[00:16] <d3ngar_> Can't see it in the  System > Pref > Mouse
[00:22] <andylockran> howdt
[00:41] <d3ngar_> this channel rocks
[01:15] <dutchie>  [31396.166223] Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region
[01:16] <dutchie> [31396.166234] Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved.  He is... not smitten, but...
[08:34] <diplo> under the thumb
[08:35] <ujjain> by the balls, under the thumb, but it´s not what I meant, but I guess I´ll never find the word likes this :P
[08:36] <BigRedS> there's a term that's less... derisory.. but I can't remember what it is
[08:48] <shauno> ujjain: in my house, we'd just call it trained :)
[08:49] <ujjain> hehehehe :p
[09:00] <HazRPG> mornin
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is quite interesting - not sure about the practicalities but even so... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/multi-touch-in-ubuntu-using-a-webcam-and-your-hands-video/
[09:05] <HazRPG> *clicks*
[09:05] <HazRPG> woah
[09:06] <Neoti|work> morning all .....
[09:06] <HazRPG> morning Neoti|work
[09:06] <HazRPG> that's pretty awesome TheOpenSourcerer
[09:07] <Neoti|work> hey hazrpg
[09:09] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:10] <HazRPG> howdy doodle :)
[09:15] <DJones> Morning all
[09:15] <gord> morning all
[09:20] <HazRPG> morning DJones & gord
[09:23] <daubers> Morning
[09:25] <AlanBell> morning
[09:25] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:27] <daubers> Did anyone get an email back from the ose?
[09:27] <screen-x> Just tried to install printer, set it up on desk, connected to power, but it didn't show up in lsusb. Fixed problem by connecting printer to computer :)
[09:28] <AlanBell> daubers: ose?
[09:28] <daubers> open source expo
[09:29] <daubers> I applied for tickets but never got an email confirming it...
[09:31] <AlanBell> "Registration Confirmation - Please read" was the subject
[09:32] <AlanBell> Stand number: 96 - 5x4m <- *big*
[09:33] <mattt> what's all the hype w/ this open source expo thing?
[09:33] <AlanBell> Furniture being provided for each of you: lockable cupboard/plinth. Chairs x2. And power, light/elec
[09:33] <daubers> I meant for tickets :) Not for actually showing ....
[09:33] <AlanBell> Net connection: the organisers  will be providing 2 drops so please bring routers and long cables.
[09:33] <BigRedS> I love subject lines that say "please read"
[09:33] <AlanBell> mattt: wouldn't say it was hyped, but we are exhibiting there
[09:33] <BigRedS> "oooooooh! I was going to *eat* my email!"
[09:34] <mattt> AlanBell: cool, hope it's a good one for you guys
[09:34] <mattt> is there an ubuntu booth at fosdem?  any of you guys going to that?
[09:34] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ^^
[09:34]  * daubers should head to work now really
[09:35] <Indy> Hi folks
[09:36] <Indy> Does anyone here have any experience with Linux on Sony vaio laptops?
[09:36] <AlanBell> there is a page about them on help.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <Indy> AlanBell: Is there?
[09:37] <Indy> Im specially after installing nvidia drivers
[09:38] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Maverick
[09:38] <AlanBell> and if you are feeling brave https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty
[09:39] <Indy> AlanBell: Sorry my irc just went dead. Could you repost that URL.  Thanks
[09:39] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Maverick
[09:39] <AlanBell> and if you are feeling brave https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/FSeries/Natty
[09:41] <AlanBell> I think we should launch http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/ at the open source expo
[09:41] <gord> ... i don't know *how* tesco managed to get custard creams to taste like pancakes but they have... for shame
[09:42] <danfish> good morning :)
[09:44] <danfish> AlanBell: good idea - how do you 'launch' the website - a redirect?
[09:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: don't forget to change the logo for the podcast or people will go blind :)
[09:48] <AlanBell> danfish: remove the beta. (I know that isn't a very web 2.0 thing to do)
[09:48] <AlanBell> MooDoo: *podcasting* makes you go blind now?
[09:49] <AlanBell> oh, I see what you mean now :)
[09:50] <danfish> AlanBell: if it works, why overcomplicate things..
[09:50]  * Neoti|work lol @ AlanBell podcasting....
[09:50] <Indy> AlanBell: I tried the fix on that page and unfortunately ended up exactly the same
[09:51] <AlanBell> Indy: I have no idea about nvidia stuff, but why not describe your issue, someone might be able to offer help
[09:52] <AlanBell> or at least sympathy and a cup of tea
[09:55] <czajkowski> mattt: yup there is
[09:57] <Indy> Basically when I install the nvidia driver Linux just boots up to the login screen. It just doesn't setup the nvidia driver. The way to get back to the GUI is to delete xorg.conf file. This puts me into a very low GUI mode. I've been sort of regretting ever buying the Sony because I didn't realise nvidia had driver issues
[09:57] <BigRedS> I ranted all over IRC yesterday about my ATi problems and Martin came along and fixed it all for me :)
[09:57] <Indy> I just don't get it with nvidia. How come their windows version works but Linux doesn't
[09:59] <Indy> How can I spread the good word about Linux when I can't get my damn pc to work
[10:01] <directhex> Indy, nvidia-installer breaks things
[10:01] <czajkowski> gord: any idea where I'd find Ev online ?
[10:02] <gord> czajkowski, nope sorry
[10:02] <gord> (would help more, but busy today :( )
[10:03] <Indy> directhex: Ive tried everything
[10:04] <HazRPG> why is it, that its always the important stuff a person will lose :/
[10:09] <BigRedS> Hm. Caramel flavoured coffee doesn't taste quite as good as the coffee powder itself smells.
[10:09] <Neoti> anyone used ZoneMinder before ?
[10:11]  * BigRedS has Quite briefly
[10:11] <BigRedS> what's the acutal question?
[10:12] <Neoti> BigRedS : just wandered if anyone used ZoneMinder in conjunction with Grandstream cams or just if anyone had used it at all ... etc... thinking of useing it and connecting it to my XBMC Media center etc ...
[10:13] <danfish> I do use zoneminder, but not with Grandstream cams or XBMC
[10:13] <BigRedS> ahh, thinking about it, not for a while, and not with Grandstream or xbmc
[10:13] <BigRedS> I'm probably quite useless :)
[10:13]  * Neoti LOL @ BigRedS
[10:15] <n1md4> I use ZM with both IP and coaxial cameras, but nothing with XBMC.
[10:15] <Neoti> is it any good ...
[10:15] <Neoti> the web internet face seems a little crappy ... ?????
[10:16] <davmor2> morning all
[10:17] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:17] <danfish> Neoti: as a CCTV appliance, it's pretty good by comparison to others. The web interface is basic but does the job. As it's open source, you can always make your own :)
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: You on mornings again how did you wrangle that deal?
[10:18] <n1md4> It's okay.  The interface isn't great, but functional enough.  Motion-detect on multiple feeds requires a lot of CPU time.
[10:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's a two week shift pattern, 9 - 5:30 for two weeks, then earlies, then weekends and finally lates :S
[10:19] <Neoti> i tried it a while ago with an axis cam and did not pick it up for some reason ..... i will have another goo later
[10:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: I do not envy you at all
[10:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: neither do i
[10:21] <n1md4> Neoti: I'm using 4 Axis cams, and found, you have to play around with video settings quite a bit before you win!
[10:23] <Neoti> i spent 2 days at my previouse work place trying to get 1 axis cam working ... he he ... could not even get a video feed ....
[10:24] <Neoti> hopfully the project has updated a little bit and work ... lol ....
[10:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:26] <n1md4> Ha!  I doubt it :P  Message me if you get stuck.
[10:54]  * AlanBell haz CDs \o/
[10:54] <MooDoo> yay o/
[10:55] <AlanBell> oh, no I don't
[10:55] <czajkowski> I do
[10:55]  * bigcalm haz STDs /o\
[10:55]  * czajkowski has a 100 here
[10:55] <czajkowski> :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> I have two baseball caps
[10:55] <bigcalm> Actualy, I don't. Just popped into my head
[10:55] <AlanBell> a squillion aubergine Ubuntu lanyards
[10:56] <AlanBell> 20 or so small orange circle of friends badges
[10:56] <AlanBell> copy of the official Ubuntu book
[10:56] <AlanBell> a load of stickers
[10:57] <AlanBell> an L and XL maverick Tshirt
[10:57] <AlanBell> one of which will be going to Paula
[10:57] <danfish> ...and a copy of the Art of Community ;)
[10:57] <mattt> czajkowski: you still giving a talk?  what day/time?
[10:58] <BigRedS> AlanBell: is this potential foss-at-the-barbican loot?
[10:58] <czajkowski> mattt: Saturday 1pm
[10:58] <AlanBell> BigRedS: some of it is, certainly
[10:58] <mattt> czajkowski: good luck!  will try to catch it if i can
[10:58] <czajkowski> mattt: there is a wiki page set up to add all Ubuntu folks going to fosdem
[10:58] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:58] <mattt> czajkowski: i should update that now
[10:59] <AlanBell> I think this is a one-off loco team gift, not an every release thing
[10:59] <AlanBell> there should be a banner and tablecloth
[10:59] <AlanBell> and we should get CDs each release
[10:59] <Neoti> hay did someone say ubuntu loot ..... ?
[10:59] <Neoti> where ?
[11:00] <AlanBell> Neoti: come along to http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ for some of it
[11:00] <AlanBell> markjones: ping
[11:00] <daubers> Is there a  nice web based project management tool around?
[11:01] <AlanBell> big project or small project?
[11:01] <bigcalm> sugarcrm?
[11:02] <daubers> AlanBell: Many small-medium sized projects
[11:03] <AlanBell> vtiger and openERP both have some project management facilites, but at the rudimentary level (best level for project management IMHO)
[11:04] <daubers> Hmm.... might be a bit OTT for what I'm after
[11:04] <AlanBell> openproj is more sophisticated and I think has a web based something, not sure if that part is Free
[11:04] <daubers> Looking at the website, doesn't look it
[11:05] <daubers> Might be an evening with Django tonight
[11:05] <AlanBell> and there is project.net
[11:05] <AlanBell> and other things like trac
[11:06] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/#!/savs/status/30192485674254336  :)
[11:06] <daubers> trac doesn't do what I want very well...
[11:06] <daubers> I tried to mend it, but broke trac horribkly :)
[11:07] <AlanBell> something homebrew in django sounds like a great approach
[11:08] <knightwise> morning everybody
[11:08]  * knightwise is on ubuntu 10.10 on his macbook air !
[11:08] <knightwise> and its Friggin fast
[11:08] <BigRedS> Something homebrew in djanog is never a great approach
[11:08] <BigRedS> :)
[11:08] <daubers> Hmm. project.net wants an orcale db
[11:08] <BigRedS> MySQL?
[11:08] <AlanBell> knightwise: did you need an official CD drive to install it?
[11:09] <daubers> BigRedS: I think it actually wants the Oracle DB not the DB Oracle acquired :)
[11:09] <matti> ;]
[11:09] <matti> AlanBell: ;]
[11:10] <knightwise> AlanBell: what do you mean by official ?
[11:10] <knightwise> you mean the "expensive apple one" ?
[11:10] <knightwise> nope :)
[11:10] <knightwise> i just used my samsung one
[11:10] <AlanBell> I read somewhere that the only usb cd drive it would boot from was an apple one
[11:10] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20Air%20using%20live%20CD
[11:11] <knightwise> the only thing i cant get working is to disable the touchpad while typing
[11:11] <knightwise> allthough i have set that up in the mouse preferences options
[11:11] <AlanBell> help.ubuntu.com is a wiki . . .
[11:13] <knightwise> but this baby is F.A.S.T. !
[11:16] <BigRedS> AlanBell: historically, they can boot off Firewire but not USB
[11:17] <BigRedS> AFAIK. So that might be the source of only working from an apple external CD drive
[11:21] <knightwise> BigRedS: just take any external USB cd rom drive and it works
[11:21] <knightwise> Macbook air has no Firewire port, remember ?
[11:23] <AlanBell> if you have a laptop with no firewire port, and a video camera with firewire output, is one totally stuffed?
[11:23] <BigRedS> Oh yeah!
[11:23] <BigRedS> I'm still stuck in PPC days as far as apple hardware's concerned
[11:24] <knightwise> BigRedS: i have a 3G imac in the basement , been meaning to get ubuntu on there
[11:24] <knightwise> but the 15 inch screen is a litle too small
[11:24] <danfish> didn't the PPC port stop at 9.10?
[11:25] <BigRedS> I've a small collection of G4 towers carrying out various duties. Almost seems a shame to have all of them hidden away in cupboards though
[11:25] <BigRedS> Err, G3 actually, I think. Translucent turquoise ones
[11:26] <Neoti> knightwise which samsung do you have
[11:27] <knightwise> just a regular external bus powered DVD writer
[11:28] <knightwise> Neoti: have you tried other models that did not work ?
[11:28] <Neoti> nope just asking
[11:31] <knightwise> Neoti: don't worry , i've tried 2 different models of "non apple" external drives , and both worked
[11:34] <knightwise> ok , Macbook air and Ubuntu 10.10 are a match made in heaven so far ..   with OSX this baby was kinda sluggish , now its incredibly fast ! :)
[11:34] <MooDoo> knightwise: ssd?
[11:34] <knightwise> MooDoo: nope , plain "spinning drive"
[11:35] <knightwise> its not the latest 2010 model , its the one before that ( the 2.1)
[11:35] <MooDoo> knightwise: well there is an upgrade then :D
[11:35] <knightwise> but still , FAST
[11:35] <knightwise> MooDoo: true, but kinda kostly i think
[11:35] <MooDoo> knightwise: my 120 cost £190
[11:35] <knightwise> hmm , did you replace it yoursellf ?
[11:36] <MooDoo> knightwise: sorry i don't have a macbook i just meant in my laptop, and yes i did
[11:37] <knightwise> with the macbook air , its quite an "operation"
[11:39] <HazRPG> not sure I like the wasapea
[11:40] <HazRPG> (graze)
[11:47] <moreati> davmor2: Those app reviews you're tweeting link directly to the apt:// url, which tries to immediately install that app. Not desirable imo - they should link to a page showing the review. Is it Software Centre that's generating them? Id like to file a bug.
[11:50] <davmor2> moreati: top secret can't tell you ;)  I don't know if the project is currently available for public reports let me check what needs to happen :)
[11:51] <moreati> davmor2: righto
[11:52] <Laney> yay for code drops
[11:58] <knightwise> anyone know a good video-bloggin software for ubuntu ?
[11:58] <knightwise> just to record some video and stuff
[11:58] <knightwise> (using the webcam)
[11:58] <gord> knightwise, cheese ?
[11:58] <knightwise> and dont say cheeze
[11:58] <knightwise> Darn :) too late :p
[11:58] <gord> whats wrong with it?
[11:59] <moreati> knightwise: If you can tell why not cheese, it might help
[11:59] <knightwise> kinda "jerky"
[11:59] <knightwise> stutters when you record video :(
[11:59] <knightwise> werid
[12:00] <gord> its because it has to encode the video at the same time
[12:00] <gord> your machine might be too slow for that resolution
[12:01] <czajkowski> Announcing the ODFPlugfest UK http://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/ all communities and developers are welcome to take part, we have space for talks and it is a freeevent to take part in
[12:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: cross post spammer :P
[12:02] <czajkowski> toodlesbyup
[12:02] <czajkowski> bigcalm: :(
[12:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: *big hugs* :)
[12:04] <knightwise> gord: thats possible
[12:04]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski
[12:04] <knightwise> hey czajkowski
[12:05]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2
[12:05] <moreati> knightwise: as gord suggests that may b a limitation of your hardware/drivers, rather than cheese. Kamoso maybe has some different tweaks, but dropping the resolution or using a webcam with hardware compression is probably the way to go
[12:05] <czajkowski> knightwise: hi
[12:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: well that the mornings out the way then :)
[12:07]  * daubers attacks python with a stick
[12:07]  * davmor2 awaits to hear that daubers has been eaten by a boa constrictor
[12:08] <knightwise> CCD
[12:08] <knightwise> oops
[12:08] <daubers> I'm using subprocess to get some data off stdout while a program is running and waiting for a bit to giove that program an instruction, but subprocess isn't giving me all the poxy output
[12:11] <gord> ubuntu thinks my kindle is a "digital audio player" =\
[12:12] <bigcalm> Does it have mp3s on it?
[12:12] <gord> no
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> gord: but it could
[12:12] <gord> yes but that doesn't mean the description is correct
[12:12] <shauno> stick a folder on it named dcim, and it'll probably call it a camera instead :)
[12:14] <knightwise> DC42_Daflo
[12:14] <knightwise> KDI_44
[12:14] <knightwise> Crud
[12:14] <knightwise> stupid keyboard switch tool
[12:15] <knightwise> AZE
[12:15] <knightwise> aarg è!
[12:15] <knightwise> sorry
[12:16] <shauno> I always chuckle when I hit the right key combo to switch to dvorak by accident.  takes typos to a whole new level :)
[12:30]  * Neoti|work needs more voip clients.....
[12:35]  * Neoti|work steps out for FOOD! and COFFEEE!......
[12:37] <Gringo> Hey guys need some help, 1 of my drives doesnt show up i have to mount it using terminal everytime, how can i make it so it starts like the other when i start ubuntu?
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> Gringo: is it always connected? or is it an external disk (like an USB disk)
[12:38] <Gringo> its always connected
[12:38] <AlanBell> !fstab
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: afaik you can configure that in "Disk Utility" (palimpsest) as well?
[12:39] <Gringo> i have 2 hard drives, 1 partioned into 3 and the other just normal, its the normal one my d drive that doesnt show up unless i mount it with terminal
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> Gringo: see the links AlanBell and lubotu3 provided
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> Gringo: they explain how to do it
[12:42] <DJones> Thats the important job of the day done, salaries paid :)
[12:46] <Gringo> #ubuntu
[12:48] <andylockran> howdy
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> o/
[12:49] <Neoti|work> hey there
[12:49] <andylockran> you well ?
[12:50] <Neoti|work> yeah good .... u?
[13:07] <daubers> nom nom nom lunch
[13:11] <Neoti|work> i got a JP with cheese and beans.. lol ... nom nom nom in deed...
[13:18] <daubers> Why does shepherds pie always taste better reheated the day after? Just like lasagne
[13:20] <X3N> maybe all the juices marinate everything more
[13:22] <daubers> Possibly
[13:22] <daubers> Either way it makes excellent lunch nomming
[13:25] <Neoti|work> you nom that nom away ...
[13:25] <Neoti|work> lol
[13:43] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:44] <brobostigon> how do i change a root owned folder, so i can access it aswell asread and write to said folder, from or as a normaluser, please.
[13:46] <brobostigon> ie /mnt/*
[13:46] <BigRedS> brobostigon: chmod 666 <file> ?
[13:46] <moreati> brobostigon: You either take ownership of the folder, change the group of the folder to one you're a member of and make it group writable, or you make it world writable
[13:46] <BigRedS> er <directory>
[13:46] <moreati> chmod 666 is the third option
[13:46] <brobostigon> cheers BigRedS and moreati :)
[13:47] <BigRedS> note that with directories, execute rights are really list-contents rights
[13:47] <brobostigon> hmm.
[13:48] <moreati> brobostigon: not that making things world writable is usually poor practise in a shared environment like a server, but if it's your own machine then whatever..
[13:48] <moreati> *note
[13:49] <brobostigon> ok, so, chmod 666, and then, chmod +rw ?
[13:49] <BigRedS> chmod 666 is chmdo +rw, they're two ways of denoting the same
[13:50] <BigRedS> well, teh former states where to end up and the latter states thechange to make. but chances are it'll be at 666. The only right missing with chmod 666 is execute
[13:50] <moreati> brobostigon: the other approach is sudo chown <user>:<group> <folder>
[13:50] <BigRedS> ...which you'd normally want in a directory
[13:51] <brobostigon> hmm, ok,
[13:54] <Laney> ugo=rw
[13:55]  * brobostigon goes to bang his head on his desk.
[13:57] <brobostigon> a friend to my rescue, with a beer. :)
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_653_4FsTEfc/TI44ObEDe5I/AAAAAAAABJ8/-XDR0avRf7A/s1600/tactical+facepalm.jpg
[13:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: lol, :)
[14:00] <moreati> brobostigon: are you in good hands or do you need further assistance?
[14:00] <brobostigon> moreati: probebly need further assistance.
[14:01] <moreati> okay: Some queries: What is the path of the folder? Is it empty?
[14:02] <brobostigon>  /mnt/**
[14:02] <brobostigon> nd it has a textfile in it atthe moment,
[14:03] <shauno> permissions on mountpoints tend to be defined by mount options, rather than by chmod
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> shauno: well, you can change them after mounting with chmod
[14:04] <brobostigon> shauno: at the moment, i am testing, so i dont want a permemnt fstab entry yet.
[14:04] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I always prefered the double facepalm http://media.photobucket.com/image/star%20trek%20double%20facepalm/SGM-Daly91/Star%20Trek/double-facepalm.jpg?o=1
[14:04] <moreati> brobostigon: why did you say '/mnt/**' Are we talking about 1 folder here or many?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6566/182832-quadruple_facepalm_super.jpg
[14:05] <brobostigon> moreati: it is a single folder, a mountpoint, with a single txt file inside.
[14:06] <moreati> brobostigon: What is the path of the mount point? What filesystem is being mounted?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/M22iv.jpg
[14:07] <brobostigon> moreati: /mnt/server and sshfs
[14:08] <moreati> brobostigon: and is it mounted now?
[14:08] <brobostigon> yes.
[14:09] <moreati> okay.  I know I've installed alternative ones before that Gnome power manager's been unaware of, and so unable to configure
[14:13] <moreati> brobostigon: if you're on Ubuntu  <group> is likely to be the same as <username>, check by running the command groups and looking at the first entry
[14:15] <brobostigon> moreati: thankyou,
[14:16] <moreati> brobostigon: the -R means recursive i.e. make the change to every file/folder inside the path as well
[14:16] <brobostigon> moreati: works, cheeers. :)
[14:16] <gran> BigRedS,  its done it since the install, after about 10 minutes it takes me to a login screen. Whether the cable is plugged in or not
[14:17] <BigRedS> the cable?
[14:17] <BigRedS> Ohh, laptop power lead?
[14:18] <BigRedS> try adding the Inhibitor Applet to the panel, see if 'activating' that stops the screensaver from working
[14:18] <moreati> gran: do you really mean the login screen? or do you mean you need to unlock the screensaver with your password?
[14:19] <moreati> gran: as well as the screensaver timeout, there are power saver timeouts in System > Preferences > Power Management
[14:19] <moreati> brobostigon: read this for a little more detail behind file permissions http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html
[14:20] <gran> yeh thats what i mean moreati
[14:20] <gran> :)
[14:20] <brobostigon> thank you moreati :)
[14:20] <bigcalm> popey: taking a break, will track some more later
[14:21] <moreati> gran: the first bit, or the second bit :)
[14:21] <popey> :)
[14:25] <gran> oh sorry  need to unlock the screensaver... but the screensaver shouldn't even come on, i've set it to "never"
[14:28] <moreati> gran: Have you looked in System > Preferences > Power Management where the screen blanking can also lock the screen
[14:37] <DJones> gran: How long is it before the screensaver kicks in, there was a bug a few versions back where a blank screen was coming up after 10 minutes as though it was the blank screen screensaver?
[14:39] <gran> yeh moreati, about 10 minutes DJones
[14:40] <gran> well.. i just went to make a sandwich came back and it was up :P
[14:40] <gran> just really annoying watching films etc
[14:41] <moreati> gran did you look at both tabs (On Mains Power, On Battery Power)? What is 'Put display to sleep when incative' set to on each of those tabs?
[14:43] <gran> "never" on mains and an hour with battery
[14:43] <gran> its running on mains now
[14:43] <gran> so shouldn't have come on
[14:44] <moreati> gran: then your settings are right, you may suffering the bug that DJones mentioned
[14:45] <moreati> gran: (Do you mean 'screen is going to sleep' by 'come on', the term is confusing me)
[14:45] <gran> nah sorry, display turns off and to turn it back on i have to put in the password every time
[14:46] <gran> its not hibernating or anything
[14:47] <DJones> gran: Have a look at this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341617 There is a section to add to the xorg file that can stop the bug I was thinking of
[14:47] <gran> thanks mate
[14:47] <DJones> That talks about kubuntu, but I had the same bug on ubuntu as well
[14:48] <DJones> Aparently the bug was to do with beryl/xgl so it could be something comepletely different now that beryl is compiz, but could be worth checking anyway
[14:49] <gran> whats the filepatch to xorg.conf again sorry?
[14:49] <DJones> /etc/X11
[14:50] <gran> thanks
[14:55] <gran> whats happened to ctrl alt backspace btw? they removed it?
[14:55] <gran> how do i restart x now?
[14:56] <maco> gran: zapping was disabled upstream a year or two ago. you can reenable it in your keyboard settings
[14:56] <DJones> !dontzap
[14:56] <maco> (its one of the "enable ____ keyboard shortcut" things in there)
[14:56] <gran> cheers
[14:57] <moreati> gran: until you've re-eabled it I think logging out restarts X, but reboot definately does :)
[14:58] <maco> yes logging out restarts X
[15:00] <maco> in one version, theres this lovely bug where the dm asking X to restart properly doesnt work...instead it crashes. which is fine for ubuntu users since gdm apparently just smashes X with a hammer til it dies, then spawns a new one, while kdm actually uses the restart command thats supposed to work for X, resulting in it not coming back up for logging back in.... i forget which release that is. 10.04 or 10.10 i think
[15:01] <gran> cheers guys, i'll have to wait and see if it worked
[15:01] <moreati> now that's something to use those facepalm pictures for
[15:07] <bigcalm> popey: can you re-generate the map please?
[15:08] <cps> afternoon peeps :)
[15:08] <BigRedS> g'morning cps
[15:09] <cps> BigRedS: Morning?! It's 15:09!!
[15:09] <BigRedS> cps: ach, near enough
[15:10] <BigRedS> :)
[15:10] <cps> :\
[15:10] <cps> meh
[15:10]  * cps air guitars to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits
[15:16] <dwatkins> Does Ubuntu's 7zip package also lack a manpage like CentOS's one does? Just curious...
[15:17] <DJones> 7zip or p7zip?
[15:18]  * BigRedS has no manual entry for 7zip
[15:18] <BigRedS> I have p7zip-full installed
[15:18] <dwatkins> I was only able to find 'p7zip' which includes a binary called 7za which is currently extracting my archive, DJones.
[15:18] <DJones> man 7zip gives me nothing, but man p7zip has a man page
[15:18] <DJones> On 10.04
[15:18] <dwatkins> 'No manual entry for 7za'
[15:18] <BigRedS> Man p7zip doesn't give me anything on 10.10
[15:19] <shauno> it should do; per the last two entries in http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/p7zip/filelist
[15:19] <maco> BigRedS: its not a default package
[15:19] <dwatkins>    http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/p7zip/filelist
[15:19] <dwatkins> oops, sorry
[15:20] <DJones> i installed p7zip & got the man page
[15:20] <dwatkins> 7zr and p7zip have manpages in that ubuntu package, thanks shauno, but the one in CentOS (built by rpmforge) seems to have only html documentation; thanks all, I was just curious to compare distros.
[15:20] <dwatkins> in summary: Ubuntu > CentOS
[15:20] <shauno> I believe ubuntu inherits debian's position that not having a manpage is a bug
[15:21] <dwatkins> shauno: I would agree with that state, also
[15:22] <maco> shauno: its possible to get packages into ubuntu without a manpage, but most packages come from debian, so most have one
[15:22] <AlanBell> any opinions on webalyzer vs awstats?
[15:22] <maco> ive never used webalyzer, but ive had no issue with awstats
[15:23] <dwatkins> I use webalyzer, it's very good in my opinion, AlanBell.
[15:23] <dwatkins> and now you are back at square one, sorry...
[15:23] <ali1234> i use webalyzer, it's a little old fashioned
[15:23] <ali1234> also it won't give you mor than a year's worth of stats
[15:23] <dutchie> i hate freedom, so i use google analytics
[15:24] <dwatkins> there's also analog, ali1234
[15:24] <ali1234> and the reports are not very detailed
[15:24] <hamitron> ali1234: no pleasing some of us ;)
[15:24] <ali1234> well, i use webalyzer because it "just works" out of the box
[15:24] <ali1234> i couldn't figure out how to configure any of those others
[15:24] <ali1234> they wouldn't even give me anything
[15:24] <maco> mm yeah, awstats needs a bit of config. by which i mean, i think i had to change 1 line in /etc/awstats/awstats.conf
[15:24] <maco> LogFormat=1
[15:25] <maco> (to tell it its apache2)
[15:25] <ali1234> webalyzer doesn't seem to care even if the log format changes in the middle of the file (eg cos you changed webserver)
[15:25] <dwatkins> There's also Cacti or Munin, of course, but they are different.
[15:25] <ali1234> but thing is, i have quite a complex set up of vhosts too
[15:26] <moreati> TO make the choice worse. I came across http://polliwog.sourceforge.net/ moons ago, GA like but self hostable
[15:26] <ali1234> by default, they all just hit /var/log/apache2/ on a cron job or something
[15:26] <ali1234> that doesn't work for me, i have separate logs
[15:29] <AlanBell> ok, webalyzer was easy, but can I feed it old logs that are now compressed like access.log.9.gz
[15:31] <jpds> Why would you want to change webserver?
[15:31]  * DJones notes that gran hasn't spoken for 30 minutes & wonders whether the screensaver kicked in or not?
[15:31] <gran> :) sadly facebook distracted me
[15:31] <DJones> Hehehe
[15:32] <cps> ergh
[15:32] <cps> wireless dropped
[15:38] <gran> DJones,  fail :( and it only took 5 minutes grr
[15:38] <DJones> Ah well, thats a bugger
[15:39] <DJones> That was my only thought
[16:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] KDE's 4.6 Release Day - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4378
[16:18] <popey> bigcalm: running now
[16:18] <bigcalm> popey: too late :P
[16:18] <bigcalm> Just joined up the cobble stone
[16:18] <bigcalm> Need a lot more track though
[16:18] <popey> you are op, you can give it to yourself
[16:18] <popey> t /give bigcalm 66 64
[16:18] <bigcalm> I see
[16:19] <bigcalm> I'll give it a go
[16:19] <dutchie> http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/funny-graphs82.png
[16:21] <bigcalm> Having to type it each time is lame :P
[16:21] <popey> hah
[16:21] <popey> give 100 then
[16:21] <bigcalm> dutchie: heh
[16:23] <davmor2> dutchie: but are they causin' a commotion cause they are so awesome?
[16:24]  * czajkowski prods davmor2
[16:24] <davmor2> czajkowski: What?
[16:25] <czajkowski> nada
[16:29] <moreati> He's mellowed, this morning's reponse was stabbing
[16:29] <Azelphur> Can you get web based SIP clients that'll just call you?
[16:30] <Azelphur> Like, click this button to call my mobile type thing.
[16:33] <moreati> hmmm, it would need to involve flash. Is skype acceptably SIP like?
[16:33] <Azelphur> nope, don't like skype :(
[16:33] <Azelphur> gmail can do it for free
[16:33] <Azelphur> but you have to have a gmail account :(
[16:34] <popey> Azelphur: you dont have a google account?
[16:35] <Azelphur> I do, other people don't
[16:35] <Azelphur> I run my stuff off google apps, some strange people use hotmail.
[16:36] <moreati> http://www.voipfone.co.uk/PB_Call_Me_Back.php but that involves the web user typing their number and getting a called by some relay bot
[16:36] <Azelphur> close :p
[16:36] <popey> Azelphur: give them an account on your domain :)
[16:36] <Azelphur> haha
[16:37] <moreati> Azelphur: you want them to actually use their laptop/whatever's builtin microphone and your server to call you then relay sound/
[16:37] <moreati> ?
[16:38] <Azelphur> moreati: yea
[16:38] <Azelphur> you can do it via gmail because I have a US number so it's a local call
[16:38] <Azelphur> but signing up for stuff is boring :p
[16:39] <moreati> Azelphur: why? What does that gain you, other than problems with muted microphones, flash permissions and machines with no microphone?
[16:39] <Azelphur> *shrug* figured it'd be fun
[16:40] <Azelphur> I already have like 300 telephone numbers dotted around the planet
[16:40] <Azelphur> it's just for giggles really xD
[16:44] <moreati> http://code.google.com/p/flashsipgateway/
[16:45] <Azelphur> fancy
[16:45] <moreati> then again, no code
[16:45] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:48] <moreati> http://code.google.com/p/siprtmp/
[16:49] <Azelphur> that looks better :D
[16:50] <screen-x> writing clearly about CMSs is hard :(  'Select "Main Menu" from the "Menus" menu.'
[16:54] <Azelphur> sup dawg, so I herd u liek menus...
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> Minecrafters? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2680-Minecraft (might not be entirely family friendly)
[17:12] <BigRedS> ooh
[17:15] <popey> oooo
[17:15] <popey> page crashes flash here
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: reload a few times.. flash crashes all the time on natty
[17:15] <popey> heh
[17:15] <popey> fine in ff, crap in chrome
[17:15] <Azelphur> (17:15:40) MartijnVdS: popey: reload a few times.. flash crashes all the time
[17:15] <Azelphur> fixed
[17:16] <gord> compiz bug, getting fixed in this release
[17:16] <gord> chrome + flash = crash
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> aha
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> l'explain!
[17:19] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: haha, very good
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: zero punctuation tends to rock
[17:23] <jpds> Not necessarily.
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> jpds: usually
[17:25] <popey> he's pretty much on the money with that one
[17:25] <Azelphur> gord: happen to know much about the compiz wallpaper bug?
[17:25] <popey> although misses the multiplayer element
[17:26] <Azelphur> I've missed my compiz wallpaper :(
[17:26] <gord> i know nothing about it
[17:27] <Azelphur> aww.
[17:48] <bigcalm> popey: all tracks joined up
[18:01] <popey> bigcalm: if only they were straight!
[18:01] <bigcalm> popey: have you tried running a cart on it yet?
[18:01] <popey> no
[18:01] <bigcalm> Me neither
[18:01] <popey> wanted to make a cart booster
[18:01] <bigcalm> yes
[18:01] <popey> but the track kept messing up
[18:01] <bigcalm> Will make one on the roof of the grass house
[18:02] <bigcalm> Server not running?
[18:03] <popey> fine here
[18:04]  * exobuzz tries out xPud
[18:04] <popey> exobuzz: join us in minecraft! :D
[18:05] <exobuzz> hehe thanks for the offer. but i think im going to fiddle with xpud and see if its worth running on the joggler ;-)
[18:06] <mfraz74> popey: do you get any errors with squid-deb-proxy?
[18:07] <gord> terrifying news everybody! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.html
[18:11]  * exobuzz runs mesa 7.11-git from xorg-edgers anyway. seems ok ;-)
[18:12] <exobuzz> why cant xorg make flexible api, so that drivers can work between versions though etc
[18:12] <exobuzz> would make it easier when using binary over drivers too
[18:12] <exobuzz> binary only
[18:14] <exobuzz> sandy bridge support seems pretty good anyway. most 3d stuff i have tried works nicely
[18:25] <moreati> "demoting several of the ancient X drivers ... voodoo" there goes part of my childhood
[18:26] <moreati> Trying to remember my first 3D acceleration card, it was a passthrough that came with a Tseng(?) 2D card
[18:30] <brobostigon> noswaith dda all.
[18:40] <brobostigon> good evening all
[18:41] <moreati> evening
[18:41] <brobostigon> good evening moreati
[18:42]  * brobostigon is alittle tipsy
[18:44]  * MartijnVdS is a little tired
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> http://goo.gl/maps/iHJP
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> ^ because of that
[18:45]  * brobostigon makes coffee for MartijnVdS
[18:46]  * MartijnVdS gets a beer instead, sorry :)_
[18:47] <mfraz74> Anyone know if Jono's doing his show tonight?
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> Jono has a show? :)
[18:48] <mfraz74> well it isn't a show as such!
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> oh ustream tuff?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> +s
[18:48] <mfraz74> yes
[18:48] <brobostigon> mfraz74: good call, :)
[18:48] <brobostigon> mfraz74: sorry,
[18:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS:  good call, :)
[18:57]  * MartijnVdS puts on some 80s music
[18:58] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: I'm listening to Now 5 at the moment :)
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: Wham! - Freedom (actually the whole album, Wham - Make it Big)
[19:00] <lazarus_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DScZ42PPIyo&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGXNEcpKYHtI  <3
[19:01] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: I'm recording the album from vinyl to minidisc and then onto the computer using QHiMDTransfer
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> why through md first?
[19:01]  * MartijnVdS has a record player with USB port ;)
[19:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i was transferring some "the who"the other day, that way.
[19:02] <mfraz74> because I have a better turntable downstairs and it is away from computer interference. I'm using HiMD in PCM mode too
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> good thing most new albums include mp3 download vouchers
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> also, the Ubuntu Music Store now has EMI and Warner in the EU (instead of just EMI)
[19:03] <mfraz74> I'd still prefer to rip them myself to oog
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: with CDs, sure.. but with I'm not a vinyl expert (and I don't have the best turntable ever)
[19:04] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: Mine isn't a very expensive one, it's a £120 Project II
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> I have a Sony, about the same price
[19:19] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a way to perform regexp substitution on all emails in thunderbird
[19:19] <BigRedS> ?
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: uhm.. what kind?
[19:31] <mgdm> It's mbox format, fundamentally
[19:31] <mgdm> so you could do it with $SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> make sure to exit tbird first
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> but first: what's the problem that you're trying to solve? :)
[19:33] <BigRedS> Ooop. Got distracted :). We get emails in response to support tickets, which contain the ticket number
[19:33] <BigRedS> I want to replace that with a URL, which basically just involves prepending it with a particular string
[19:34] <BigRedS> I'd pondered doing it all over the mbox file, but I want to be able to do it while tbird is open
[19:37] <BigRedS> ah. Hometime!
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: can't you do it on the server? :)
[19:37] <mgdm> write an extension to rewrite it on the client side?
[19:37] <mgdm> I realise that may result in shaving many a yak
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: yak farmers around the globe rejoice
[19:38] <mgdm> heh heh
[19:39]  * MartijnVdS went on a yak shaving spree last year at work
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> now we have everything "debianized" and deployed quickly \o/
[19:58] <brobostigon> ok, does sshfs, use the same amount of data locally onthe mountpoint, untill its unmounted?
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: not that I know of
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: as far as I know it's a "remote fs"
[20:07] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so i put something inside said mountpoint, as it goes straight to the server, and with reading creates the appropriate latency.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:08] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank for clarifying that, you confirmed what i expected.
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> it's like nfs, smbfs, etc.
[20:09] <brobostigon> thought so, the latency concerns me.
[20:10] <Avo> Hi - Anyone here able to help me with a NFS query? I'm trying to understand the mp/mountpoint export option
[20:10]  * brobostigon wishes for gigabit ethernet.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Avo: if you provide mountpoint=, it will only export that directory if it's mounted
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Avo: so say you say "mountpoint=/home", the export you're defining will onle be an export if /home is mounted
[20:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Well, thats about all we have time for - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/12/22/well-thats-about-all-we-have-time-for/
[20:16] <Avo> Thanks. Does it look in /etc/fstab to check there is a mountpoint for it? Just not sure how it checks. You could still have a home folder, but that wouldn't count?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Avo: no it checks if the pointed-to folder is actually a mount point
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Avo: you can check if a folder is a mount point by typing "mount"
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> putting it in /etc/fstab will mount something on boot, so that would make it a mount point
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Example time :)
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Say your /home is on a separate partition
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> and it's in /etc/fstab, and mounts on startup
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> and in your /etc/exports you define an export for /home with the "mountpoint" option also set to /home
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> then the /home export will only work if the mounting of /home worked at startup
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> if it didn't work (filesystem error, disk not present, etc.), it won't be exported
[20:18] <Avo> Ah ok. Thanks for the example
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> so you don't end up with clients writing files in the wrong filesystem (/ in case /home wasn't mounted)
[20:19] <Avo> Yup
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if you need to re-export if you unmount/remount after exporting filesystems
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> best way to find out is to try it :)
[20:21] <Avo> Ok. Time for some testing. Thanks
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> np
[20:27] <Guest82138> Any UK netbooks ship with Ubuntu ?
[20:30] <popey> Guest82138: dell latitude 2120?
[20:31] <popey> not sure it's classed as a netbook, 10" screen 1366x768
[20:38] <Guest82138> I'll go look at 2120, thx
[20:44] <Guest82138> popey: Now in Dell Hell, does list Ubuntu in spec but try finding how to buy !
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> it tends to be easier to call Dell
[20:56] <Guest82138> "call" - yuk
[20:58] <Guest82138> found a Latitude 2110 with Ubuntu 9.10 £289+shipping+VAT
[21:41] <daubers> Evening
[21:42] <danfish> 'ello 'ello
[21:43] <brobostigon> evening danfish and daubers
[21:43] <danfish> lo brobostigon :)
[21:43] <brobostigon> :)
[21:44] <danfish> eczema status?
[21:44] <brobostigon> danfish: infection calming, eczema slightly dry, but not bad.
[21:46] <danfish> good to hear
[21:46] <brobostigon> danfish: no more yellow thingies on my skin.
[21:46] <danfish> daubers: did you decide on django for your project thingy?
[21:47] <danfish> brobostigon: yellow thingies are never fun
[21:48] <brobostigon> danfish: totally, they get very sore and painful, and hurt alot when you try and keep your skin clean, and also when i tryand put my cream on.
[21:48] <daubers> danfish: Yup, Going to sit and do some design for it on Friday
[21:49] <HazRPG> okay, having a weird experience with a printer here
[21:49] <HazRPG> seems to be printing stuff in landscape form
[21:49] <HazRPG> yet the test page prints out fine :S
[21:49] <HazRPG> I've checked all settings
[21:50] <HazRPG> (of the printer I mean)
[21:50] <HazRPG> and as far as I can see both the application, plus the drivers are set to print in portrait form
[21:51] <azeyu> hi there
[21:51] <danfish> daubers: there's a example of a task/project management project on the django website that I've been hacking around on
[21:51] <azeyu> is it possible to x display on x display ?
[21:51] <danfish> Workstyle I think it's called
[21:52] <danfish> azeyu: not sure what you mean
[21:52] <daubers> danfish: Oh?
[21:52] <danfish> daubers: let me get the link
[21:53] <azeyu> xdisplay on xdisplay
[21:54] <HazRPG> hmm, just made a dummy document and its printed it out fine
[21:54] <HazRPG> must just be the .doc my sister downloaded that seems to be encoded funny made?
[21:54] <HazRPG> (its a job application form)
[21:55] <danfish> daubers: http://workstyle-py.sourceforge.net/
[21:56] <danfish> it's listed as a GTD type thing, but there's more to it than that
[21:56] <daubers> Hmmm....
[21:57]  * daubers wonders if he has a spare VM on the work server
[21:58] <daubers> I have one thats running a test of vtiger I could install that alongside and have a play with...
[22:01] <danfish> sounds like a plan - I rather like the task.py view
[22:02] <azeyu> LEAVING
[22:07] <daubers> danfish: Ta, I'll install that tomorrow and have a play
[22:07]  * daubers heads to bed
[22:07] <danfish> o/
[22:51]  * popey files bug 708375
[22:51]  * popey pokes shotwell in the face
[23:10] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:43] <andylockran> howdy all
[23:43] <andylockran> I'm trying to tidy up my CV, and considering writing it in html and styling it with css (as that's what I know best).  Would anyone have any views on this?
[23:57] <popey> andylockran: whois the target for your cv?
[23:57] <popey> fact is any agency _will_ ask for it in word format no matter what you edit it in
[23:57] <czajkowski> aye
[23:57] <popey> so I'd keep a copy in pdf, word, and plain text if needed
[23:57] <czajkowski> they dont like .pdf
[23:58] <czajkowski> :(
[23:58] <czajkowski> most upsetting
[23:58] <popey> indeed, that's why I said doc :)
[23:58] <popey> understandable
[23:58] <andylockran> thanks for the advice :)
[23:58] <popey> they strip out your personal details from the word doc and pass it on
[23:58] <czajkowski> popey: was just agreeing
[23:58] <andylockran> Not sure where I'm sending it yet, all I know is that I'm sending it ...
[23:58] <popey> they also have auto-cv import tools into their recruitment databases
[23:58] <popey> which almost always only ever accept word
[23:59] <popey> having your cv in html/css is fine, if you want to link to it somewhere, but if it's over email then doc/pdf/txt is the way to go


[01:50] <Kangarooo> i want to make ubuntu show and one big show also.. in big show will be everything from ubuntu show also. ubuntu show will be all about ubuntu. ubntu blogers and vlogers and actions about unbutu.
[01:51] <Kangarooo> i want to know would be ok if ubuntu show is sponsored by tech companys? maybe only thouse who are using ubuntu?
[03:12] <Kangarooo> verizon even in latvia laughing :) very famous internet
[03:13] <Kangarooo> *about it :)
[09:51] <DPic> Ubuntu Gaming Team, for those who are interested:
[09:51] <DPic> http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/04/announcing-ubuntu-gaming-team.html
[14:37] <guillom> hi
[14:58] <DPic> hello
[19:16] <Flannel> *Please* stop topposting.
[19:17] <Flannel> The whole conversation is entirely unreadable as it currently stands.  And it's only been what, 10 posts?
[19:19] <Flannel> and no, that doesn't mean you bottom post either.  Reply *within* your quoted reply, like normal, decent people.
[22:25] <leftyfb> Where do I go to report a bug on a piece of marketing material?
[22:27] <Flannel> leftyfb: Which piece?
[22:27] <Flannel> oh


[00:59] <pleia2> tsimonq2: any luck with those last couple of summaries?
[01:00] <pleia2> I'm editing, moving stuff to wiki and doing stats
[01:00] <tsimonq2> whoops, was chatting with belkinsa
[01:01] <tsimonq2> I'm on it now
[01:01] <pleia2> thanks :)
[01:06] <pleia2> tsimonq2: you've been doing a very good job with summaries :)
[01:06] <pleia2> I've hardly had to make any edits, nice work keeping with our general formatting and tense
[01:06] <tsimonq2> thanks :)
[01:06] <tsimonq2> excpt for that one summary that I commented on :/
[01:06] <tsimonq2> *except
[01:07] <tsimonq2> I'd ask to be an editor but I'm 13 and I don't think my writing skills are THAT pristine yet :D
[01:07] <pleia2> we'll get you there eventually
[01:07] <pleia2> I did fix up the one you commented on a bit, but not a whole lot, you were on the right track
[01:08] <tsimonq2> okay good :)
[01:08] <tsimonq2> I'm glad this gives me writing practice :D
[01:08] <tsimonq2> I go to high school next year and I have a loooot of advanced classes coming up :)
[01:08] <pleia2> \o/
[01:09] <tsimonq2> (which may require a lot of writing)
[01:09] <tsimonq2> yeah except for health and Phy Ed, all advanced classes, plus Spanish 2 and the school districts stupid beginner IT classes :/
[01:09] <tsimonq2> ANYWAYS
[01:09]  * tsimonq2 goes back to summary writing
[01:11] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I'll grab my headphones to get that last summary done, then it will be good :)
[01:11] <pleia2> thanks :)
[01:14] <pleia2> the FCM podcast one is fine the way it is, they send us the text to use via ubuntu-news
[01:14] <pleia2> mailing list
[01:15] <tsimonq2> well I meant just transferring it over :)
[01:15]  * tsimonq2 grabs some cappuccino to watch the 28-minute video
[01:21] <tsimonq2> mmm
[01:34] <tsimonq2> lol when Mark Shuttleworth was talking about security and Snappy, and making sure people don't modify it, he mentioned the NSA XD
[01:34]  * tsimonq2 chuckles
[01:37] <pleia2> haha
[01:45] <tsimonq2> pleia2: video is done, I'll get the summary done now :)
[01:52] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue456
[01:52] <pleia2> and sent off to the editors
[01:54] <Unit193> 'http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ve/3325-charla:-software-libre,-una-alternativa-tecnol%C3%B3gica./' doesn't appear to be proper.
[01:54] <tsimonq2> pleia2: this week is smoother than others in terms of UWN releasing?
[01:54] <pleia2> ah, that lovesly script
[01:54] <pleia2> tsimonq2: for me it has been :)
[01:55] <tsimonq2> pleia2: well you DO have a cold, so I wanted to be nice :D
[01:55] <pleia2> Unit193: thanks, fixed
[01:55] <pleia2> tsimonq2: I appreciate it, thanks
[02:10] <tsimonq2> pleia2: FWIW 👍 on the links (thumbs up if you can't see it)
[02:11]  * tsimonq2 is happy that the Oxford comma is still there :D
[02:11] <pleia2> haha, I had to look closely
[02:11] <pleia2> I don't believe in the oxford comma, but I won't fight about it ;)
[02:11] <pleia2> and it's time for me to log off and get some more rest
[02:12] <tsimonq2> night pleia2 :)