[12:33] <stormanka> Sorry for dropping in just asking a question but i helped my in laws to install lubuntu on their htpc (to slow for windows) and the audio stopped working (no idea what they did) now pulseaudio says hdmi unplugged and no sound. Anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:38] <hateball> stormanka: Any kernel updates recently?
[12:51] <stormanka> Hmm, thats a good question, i think they asked me what to do with the update window so its possible
[12:52] <stormanka> i did update the kernel now to se if it fixed the issue but it was there before.
[13:03] <stormanka> hateball: Older kernel worked, thanks ALOT, spent like 2 hours googling without result
[13:12] <hateball> stormanka: could try booting the newer kernel just to verify, in case you havent
[13:12] <hateball> and then file a !bug against the kernel
[13:13] <stormanka> hateball: im doing this remotly and my inlaws had to leave for a bit but ill try to get it done later or tomorrow!
[13:14] <hateball> stormanka: ah :)
[15:49] <onlnr> on my pc with intel celeron N2815 it has windows 7 32-bit. When I google that processor it says it is 64-bit, so I guess I could try install amd64 version of lubuntu. On lubuntu.net, it directs me to dl 15.10 version, but there is also already 16.04. Why shouldnt I go and grab the 16.04?
[15:51] <wxl> onlnr: the only 16.04 is a pre-release version, so i'd advise 15.10.
[15:52] <onlnr> it's going to be released very soon, and is quite close to being ready?
[15:52] <onlnr> and updating from 15.10 to 16.04 when ready is a bigger process no?
[15:53] <wxl> onlnr: late next month. i would not say it's ready for prime time quite yet. there's still a bunch of bugs we need to iron out.
[15:53] <wxl> onlnr: upgrades from one release to another are generally pretty simple.
[15:53] <onlnr> what kind of bugs?
[15:53] <wxl> onlnr: check out the release notes :)
[16:40] <onlnr> I booted the 15.10 live cd to test before installing, anb after booting to lubuntu, I moved mouse to upper right corner taskbar and it froze there, and mouse nor keyboard is responsive
[16:41] <onlnr> is this a bad sign, that I shouldnt install this lubuntu on it :s
[16:41] <onlnr> what should I do next on that I wonder
[16:42] <onlnr> the mouse pointer was very laggy before it froze
[16:42] <onlnr> moved there in slow fps
[16:42] <onlnr> so should I press the power button on this mini pc and try restart it
[16:48] <onlnr> ok restarted and now chose the check disc for defects
[16:55] <onlnr> check finished. errors found in 2 files! press enter to reboot
[16:56] <onlnr> ehhm. So I guess I should download and make the USB bootable disc again from the scratch
[16:57] <diffis> I'd do that. Did you also check the MD5 sum of the iso?
[17:00] <onlnr> it was 'press any key to reboot' i pressed, and got black screen and nothing happening, but it is not shut down I think, since pressing power button once wont restart it
[17:01] <onlnr> I didn't check. maybe I do that first
[17:02] <diffis> Black screen after installation can be because there is not correct gpu driver. But I'm not very experienced user at all.
[17:04] <onlnr> I didnt install, but checked defects from the live usb, and after it had found 2 errors I pressed any key to reboot
[17:04] <onlnr> the sha256 matches, so the iso is fine
[17:04] <diffis> Ah. Good!
[17:05] <onlnr> by the way it is this mini PC with intel celeron N2815 for some reason I am trying to install it. Fresh one http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2015-New-Design-Mini-Computer-Desktop-Celeron-N2830-N2840-N2930-N2940-Qual-core-Micro-pc-HDMI/1169094_32602929663.html
[17:07] <onlnr> how reliable that defect checker is. It takes a while to do that check
[17:10] <diffis> No idea. That's far beyond my knowledge.
[17:14] <wxl> onlnr: the defect checker is indeed reliable. it essentially checks the hash of the installation media against the published hash of the iso.
[17:14] <onlnr> well the iso has I used to create the bootable usb disc was same as on the ubuntu website
[17:15] <onlnr> but I try again now. I recreated the usb now, and reboot and check defects again
[17:15] <wxl> onlnr: that only tells you about the iso, not the installation media. there can be problems in both downloading and copying.
[17:16] <onlnr> hmm ye
[17:17] <wxl> onlnr: what are you using to create the usb?
[17:18] <onlnr> check finished, errors found 2 files
[17:18] <onlnr> again
[17:19] <onlnr> Universal-USB-Installer-<IP_ADDRESS>.exe
[17:20] <wxl> oh, windows.
[17:20] <wxl> not sure i can provide much assistance there.
[17:20] <wxl> but i will say that some methods are more reliable than others
[17:20] <onlnr> my usb hub where the stick is inserted for creation is not very good
[17:20] <wxl> that could be part of the reason
[17:20] <onlnr> but I have managed to create bootable discs with it, jsut last week
[17:20] <wxl> think about this:
[17:20] <onlnr> not lubuntu but other os
[17:21] <wxl> it could be one bit off
[17:21] <wxl> one bit
[17:21] <wxl> if that's the case, i'd bet a lot of things would work correctly
[17:21] <onlnr> think I am gonna try another OS for this system
[17:21] <wxl> the unfortunate thing is you have no way of knowing what would not work right
[17:21] <onlnr> maybe arch or just ubuntu
[17:21] <wxl> you could always try just completing the installation, but you might run into issues
[17:22] <wxl> or you could put it on a cd/dvd
[17:22] <wxl> chances are if you have a problem with this, you'll have a problem with anything
[17:22] <onlnr> I dont have cd/dvd drives
[17:22] <wxl> especially anything within the ubuntu family
[17:22] <wxl> since they all use the same backbone
[17:25] <teward> wxl: perhaps the Ubuntu docs for installing to a thumb drive via Windows is prudent?
[17:25] <teward> can potentially apply to Lubuntu
[17:25] <wxl> teward: link us
[17:25] <teward> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[17:25]  * teward coughs
[17:25] <wxl> he seems to be using that
[17:26] <teward> and it's not working?
[17:26]  * teward scrolls back
[17:26] <wxl> he continues to get errors when running the self-check
[17:26]  * teward only has the last 8 lines in here before he spoke
[17:26] <teward> ISO md5sum matched?
[17:26] <teward> wxl: obvious questions are obvious ;)
[17:26] <wxl> teward: yep
[17:27] <onlnr> yea I use that. sha256 matches on .iso and website,
[17:27] <teward> onlnr: any chance you can take the USB Hub out of the equation and jack the stick right into the computer to create the stick?
[17:27] <teward> to remove your USB Hub from the equation
[17:28] <onlnr> yea I was thinking that, but then I need to arrange things abit
[17:37] <onlnr> still 2 errors
[17:38] <onlnr> has people succesfully installed from that iso
[17:38] <wxl> yep
[17:38] <onlnr> maybe lubuntu is so unpopular that I am first one :D
[17:38] <onlnr> maybe not
[17:39] <wxl> i think it's fair to say we have very few people using windows, though
[17:40] <onlnr> i try the 16.04 iso
[17:40] <diffis> Could you try different program to create the stick?
[17:40] <teward> I'd offer to send you a USB with Lubuntu on it, created by yours truly, but I don't have money to ship it :)
[17:40] <wxl> you could try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb
[17:40] <teward> ^ that possibly
[17:41] <wxl> you also may want to try to completely erase and reformat the drive
[17:41] <wxl> it might be there's still some stuff at the end of the drive that the lubuntu iso isn't covering up
[17:41] <wxl> since it's so darn small XD
[17:43] <onlnr> cant try 1604 with that tool, it somehow doesnt find it
[17:44] <onlnr> yeah, I used that win32disk imager for making dietpi and raspbian images so I have that actually already
[17:44] <onlnr> well, I try the 15.10 first out of curiosity
[17:45] <onlnr> that app wants me to search .img files only. I wonder if this is some rpi modified win32disk imager
[17:46] <wxl> most likely
[17:47] <onlnr> hmm just checking that ubuntu page and it looks same and says to search *.* hm but I guess I should still get another copy of this tool
[17:58] <onlnr> okay..wat. Errors found in 1 files!
[17:59] <onlnr> I try the 1604 iso.. this is weird
[18:04] <onlnr> is it similarly easy to update to 1604 lts from this 1604 alpha/beta like from 1510
[18:04] <onlnr> or easier. I didnt check checksum of this 1604 but oh well
[18:07] <onlnr> okay.. just getting dark blue background disc defect test now and not actualy output whats going on
[18:14] <wxl> having not checked the md5 of the iso, it's hard to say
[18:15] <wxl> it might be good to use the 15.10, too, since that's the one you were previously testing with
[18:19] <onlnr> I tried again with 1604, and now when blue screen comes, I press keyboard arrow down, and I got console output of the check. There I notice OK'ing a lot, but boot/grup/efi.img said mismatch
[18:19] <wxl> a mismatch is a mismatch
[18:20] <onlnr> I have hard time finding these pages with the checksums
[18:21] <onlnr> like with basic ubuntu I try now find I only find http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/INSTALL/Ubuntu/dvd-releases/releases/15.10/release/
[18:21] <onlnr> ok 1604 lubuntu was easy, lets see
[18:21] <wxl> all current images are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:21] <wxl> more specifically http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[18:22] <onlnr> where to find ubuntu amd64
[18:23] <wxl> ubuntu which?
[18:23] <onlnr> haha okay. my lubuntu 1604 doesnt match
[18:23] <onlnr> first time this happens
[18:23] <onlnr> Interesting how hard it is to even start installing linux this time :p
[18:23] <wxl> your problem is with copying
[18:23] <wxl> you can blame windows :)
[18:24] <wxl> brb
[18:24] <onlnr> ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:26] <onlnr> on that page I have tried to navigate to get that image from 3 different directories, but none of them has
[18:26] <onlnr>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:26] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.10/release/MD5SUMS
[18:26] <teward> ^ that
[18:27] <teward> onlnr: they're usually in the same directory as whatever image you were pulling down
[18:27] <onlnr> teward: not lubuntu, ubuntu
[18:27] <teward> same
[18:27] <onlnr> ubuntu is in the lubuntu directory?
[18:27] <teward> ... no, you have to navigate around
[18:27] <ianorlyn> They are all on cdimage
[18:27] <teward> they're *all* on cdimage, but in their own respective dirs
[18:28] <onlnr> yeah, I checked but couldnt find
[18:28] <teward> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/wily/release/ for 15.04 Ubuntu Desktop
[18:28] <teward> which suggests you didn't go to the **root directory**, select 'ubuntu', then 'releases', then picked the specific version you were hunting
[18:28] <teward> s/15.04/15.10/
[18:28] <onlnr> server powerpc and ppc64 there
[18:28] <teward> yes I can't type :)
[18:29] <teward> then i'll have to stab the mirrors team
[18:29] <teward> http://releases.ubuntu.com/wily/
[18:29] <teward> the other location
[18:29] <onlnr> where is the desktop, I only see powerpc and ppc64
[18:29] <teward> onlnr: [2016-03-30 14:29:05] <teward> http://releases.ubuntu.com/wily/
[18:29] <teward> [2016-03-30 14:29:07] <teward> the other location
[18:29]  * teward sighs
[18:30] <onlnr> hmm so it wasnt at cdimage.ubuntu.com. quite strange to not put it there
[18:31] <onlnr> s/strange/non-systematic maybe
[18:48] <onlnr> errors found in 1 file
[18:49] <onlnr> ok. 4h wasnt enough to get to install OS this time so I continue tomorrow :-)
[18:52] <onlnr> Pendrivelinux actually change two files to make the live USB drive boot correctly. The live USB drive has in fact been made successfully, and will work seamlessly both for trying ubuntu and for installation
[18:53] <onlnr> someone comments when someone had 2 errors with that
[18:53] <onlnr> I had 2 errors with pendrive, 1 with the win32 imager
[18:53] <onlnr> I guess it's same with the win32 imager
[18:58] <onlnr> okay, thanks for your help folks. I try install tomorrow despite these errors :)
[18:59] <onlnr> ->
[22:44] <feneco> hi, the scroll behavior on lubuntu 14.04 is weird for me, I am using it on vbox (ubuntu host, lubuntu guest), and sometimes I scroll on lubuntu, it minimizes the applications, sometimes it scrolls backwards
[22:44] <feneco> any idea?
[23:01] <ianorlin> feneco: if you scorll over the taskbar at the bottom it minimize applicatoins
[23:07] <feneco> ianorlin: do you know if I can disable this? and if it's like that on 15.10 too?
[23:08] <ianorlin> right click on the panel click panel settings-> panel applets click settings for that and uncheck use mousewheel
[23:09] <ianorlin> I am not sure about scrolling backwards
[23:09] <wxl> might want to check the mouse bindings in the openbox config for that, but i can't think of anything off hand
[23:10] <ianorlin> wxl that too
[23:11] <feneco> wxl: I tried to remove some entries from there, but I think it didn't help, so I tried to remove others, then I messed up that file
[23:11] <feneco> but I will check again
[23:11] <feneco> thanks ianorlin wxl
[23:19] <feneco> is there any lightweight launcher on lxde? something you can recommend that I can type the name of the app and it launches
[23:21] <ianorlin> feneco: there is alt+f2 as the normal defualt launcher but with the openbox bindings you could use dmenu_run but that is in the package suckless-tools
[23:24] <feneco> ianorlin: alt+f2 should work by default on 14.04?
[23:24] <wxl> feneco: it should work by default on all versions, unless you screwed it up in the openbox config :)
[23:24] <wxl> feneco: it does not allow you to use the name of the app. it's basically a way to run a command line in the $PATH
[23:25] <feneco> wxl: I restored my default openbox config, I had it backed up before modifying, even then alt+f2 does nothing on my lubuntu
[23:26] <ianorlin> hmm that might be an old 14.04 bug or something I remember
[23:26] <ianorlin> but it got fixed I think
[23:28] <feneco> on 16.04 I saw that there will be a new launcher, right?
[23:28] <wxl> not that i'm aware of
[23:38] <feneco> oh
[23:38] <feneco> ok, thanks again
[23:38] <feneco> :D


 He only runs Windows.
[15:53] <waltman> seems kinda harsh
[15:53] <waltman> cpan is your friend
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> I try to use the Ubuntu packages instead of cpan when I can but I've used cpan for unpackaged modules. Seems like having both install methods is dangerous.
[15:55] <waltman> App::cpanminus and App::cpanoutdated can make dealing with it a lot less painful.
[15:58] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Agreed. If you're not installing your own perl, that's often the best bet.
[15:58] <waltman> with the caveat that both the system perl and the modules might not be the latest and greatest.
[16:12] <ChinnoDog> waltman: can cpan be trusted to uninstall modules cleanly?
[16:16] <waltman> not so much, sadly, but with most modules you can run "make uninstall"
[16:17] <waltman> there's often not much need to uninstall modules, aside from cpan thinking they're out of date and wanting to upgrade them
[16:18] <waltman> I realize those aren't great answers, but that's the situation.
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> Seems like the best solution would be for someone to write a cpan wrapper that will install modules with checkinstall and then not bother with the repository packages
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> Then you can have latest and greatest and still be sure it can be removed
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> sup MutantTurkey
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> sup
[17:35] <InHisName> supper will be up soon
[17:51] <MutantTurkey> still in bed
[17:51] <MutantTurkey> catching up on much needed sleep
[17:52] <waltman> turkeys are nocturnal hunters
[18:22] <MutantTurkey> noctural? i cat stay up past like 11
[18:25] <ChinnoDog> oh no. MutantTurkey, are you a morning person?
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> no...
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> im a teenager
[18:30] <MutantTurkey> gigging tonight and we're supposed to be practcing right now and my guitar player is nowhere to be seen
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> When I was a teenager I stayed up to all hours of the night
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> sleeping was optional
[18:37] <MutantTurkey> yeah I am a growing boy - i need my sleep
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> The standard test for determining how sleep deprived you are doesn't work on teenagers because it always shows they are fully rested even when they aren't.
[18:39] <jedijf> like a power meter?
[18:40] <jedijf> s/power/battery
[18:41] <adom> i hate when i wake up at 6:30am fully refreshed but its an hour too early to get ready. so i sleep for another hour and an hour later its so hard to get out of bed for some reason.
[18:41] <adom> like, i was fine, but sleep for another hour and i dont want to get up now.
[18:42]  * jedijf nods
[18:44] <ChinnoDog> yea, that is difficult adom. I do that too.
[18:44] <ChinnoDog> There is a watch you can get that will monitor your sleep cycle and wake you up when you naturally wake up closest to your alarm time. I've never tried it though.
[18:44] <adom> sounds cool
[18:45] <waltman> Today's "kids these days" story involves trying to borrow a pencil from someone.
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: it isn't a power meter. The stnadard test is to put someone in a dark soundless room and see how many minutes it takes for them to fall to sleep. The scale goes up to 20 minutes.
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> waltman: So.. uh... did it work out?
[18:45] <waltman> no fair. teenages can sleep anywhere.
[18:46] <adom> someone tell me a command-line file manager. something that visually lets me see/move around files via an SSH session.
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> ls rm cp rsync..
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> mc
[18:46] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Not so well with the kid who's the junion sysadmin. I had to go to the department secretary.
[18:46] <ChinnoDog> haha
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> At work I wanted a pencil recently
[18:47] <waltman> adom: or run your favoriate gui file manager in an SSH tunnel
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> waltman: it doesnt work so wel....
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> So I went to the supply closet and I dug and there were no mechanical pencils. There was some lead though. There were also some regular pencils so I picked one up
[18:47] <jedijf> sshfs
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> But, there weren't any pencil sharpeners
[18:47] <waltman> MutantTurkey: why not?
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> oh duh :p
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> I thought you were saying X11 over ssh...
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> hehe
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> So I had no choice but to get out my swiss army knife and whittle a tip onto my pencil
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> nevermind me
[18:48] <waltman> no, tunneling your current x session
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> No one stocks the supply closet with mechanical pencils or sharpeners. I don't think there are any there now, months later
[18:48] <waltman> ChinnoDog++ # old school
[18:49] <jedijf> karma and hastag
[18:49] <jedijf> hash
[18:49] <adom> mc is perfect thanks
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> My pencil is very rustic looking
[18:50] <jedijf> i have 2 electric sharpeners and no pencils in office
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> ha. You had pencils once upon a time
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> I should get one of those crank operated pencil sharpeners like at school and attach it to my desk at work as a joke
[19:06] <waltman> I've got one of those at home. It doesn't work very well.
[19:07] <waltman> But I mainly just use pencils for crossword puzzles. For a while I tried switching back to wood pencils. They spell better, but mechanical pencils are a lot more practical.
[19:07] <waltman> s/spell/smell/ # hah
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> freudian slip
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> Maybe they spell better too.
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> In school I used to buy "natural" pencils that didn't have any paint on them.
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> They were cool. Wood grain pencils ftw.
[20:26] <adom> in mc, what do you press to transfer the highlighted file/folder in the left pane to the right folder?
[20:27] <adom> nvm found the hotkeys on bottom
[20:27] <adom> i like it, its kind of like nano
[20:27] <adom> which is to say, its noob-friendly ^_^
[20:27] <adom> <-- newb
[20:58] <adom> so, i think my 1TB backup drive at home i use for general backup/storage is crapping the bed
[20:58] <adom> i keep tryign to remount it and it says "can't read superblock"
[21:01] <adom> which sucks because its where i keep ALL of my spare files. software, games, pictures, etc
[21:02] <adom> everything but video
[21:02] <adom> video gets its own 1TB drive, and thats working fine
[21:06] <adom>  if anyone has any experience with that "can't read superblock" error mounting drives and has somehting i could try to resurrect it, id be much obliged. might check in over the weekend, prob not til monday. happy weekend all!
[21:35] <waltman> adom: Sucks. But it's a *backup*, right? So you have other copies of those files? :)
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> "spare" files
[22:06] <waltman> "backups"
[22:08] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[22:08] <waltman> Just some spare pictures. Nothing important.
[22:09] <ChinnoDog> It only took 10 years to capture them and you can't get them back, but its not a big deal.
[22:17] <jedijf> digital hoarders
[22:24] <jedijf> adom: should be fixable - google will guide you
[22:26] <jedijf> superblock backs itself up; doesn't trust us


[18:01] <xevious> Is there official (not community) documentation about how the current live/install ISO images are created?
[18:03] <xevious> The community wiki has an article about building a live CD from scratch (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch), but this article implies that live-build started being used for 11.10 (http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/06/ubuntu-switched-to-hybrid-disc-images.html).
[18:09] <xevious> cjwatson: You're the one they quoted in that article. Are you still using live-build to make the ISOs? Is there any documentation I can look over?
[18:36] <xevious> cjwatson: I'm reading this now - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-June/033458.html
[18:53] <xevious> cjwatson: Is there a source repository with the Ubuntu Desktop live/install ISO configuration for live-build?
[19:32] <cjwatson> xevious: It's in the livecd-rootfs package (these days it's run in Launchpad build jobs via launchpad-buildd), and the process is controlled by "bzr branch lp:ubuntu-cdimage".
[19:33] <cjwatson> xevious: But I haven't operated this stuff for a year or two.


[14:30] <jrwren> Mantic Minotaur !!! such great names this year.
[14:51] <cmaloney> Nice
[14:56] <greg-g> well shit
[14:56] <greg-g> woke up to the outlets in the kitchen not working this morning, and reseating the breaker doesn't help
[14:57] <waldo323__> that sucks, any leads?
[14:57] <greg-g> luckily the fridge is on a different circuit (I usually begrudge this, because it's the circuit with the garage, which means two fridges are on it (we have a garage fridge) and using power tools sometimes trips the breaker then)
[14:58] <greg-g> my only idea right now is: the board the covers the hole into our crawl space is moved at an angle, implying an animal went in there last night, but ugh
[14:58] <greg-g> "the board that* covers"
[14:58] <jrwren> bummer.
[14:58] <jrwren> electricity is fun!
[14:58] <greg-g> but, 2 minutes until staff meeting, then Directors meeting, then need to take kids to OT
[14:59] <greg-g> usually!
[14:59] <greg-g> except when it doesn't work :(
[14:59] <waldo323__> tends to be a positive or negative experience :-\
[15:01] <waldo323__> i'm glad your fridge didn't lose power at least. good luck once you have time to work on it
[15:01] <greg-g> waldo323__: ba-dum-tsh
[15:01] <greg-g> waldo323__: yeah, thank you
[15:03] <jrwren> greg-g: how far are you from SJC or SFO?
[15:04] <greg-g> oh, pretty far now, about 6-8 hours (I'm 1.5-2 hours north of LA now, a little town called Ojai)
[19:41] <greg-g> whew, the issue was just that the extension cord my wife setup for christmas lights got wet in the rain last night and tripped the GFCI it was plugged into, thus stopping power after that point in the circuit, pressed reset and we're back in business
[20:05] <cmaloney> nie
[20:05] <cmaloney> I thought it sounded like GFI but wasn't sure if that was relevant
[20:06] <greg-g> glad it wasn't a dead racoon in the crawl space :)
[20:27] <cmaloney> That's always something to be grateful
[20:47] <ben> ojai doesn't sound like it's in michigan lol
[20:48] <ben> going to this sunday http://vfwpinball.com/
[20:58] <cmaloney> nice
[20:59] <ben> and a show at st andrews hall in detroit saturday night :)


[00:24] <jbebel> Is there any more official method of reporting a regression in a package in -proposed than finding the bugs it is supposed to fix in the changelog and reporting there that verification failed?
[00:31] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates says to open a bug with the regression-proposed tag, comment on the SRU bug & tag it verification-failed
[00:37] <ryan22> i was just wondering how many developers ubuntu has who specialize in accessibility
[05:51] <zord> Hi all: has anyone worked ion touchscreen apps?
[05:57] <zord> Anyone here???????
[05:57] <zord> anyone here hear me or r u not hearing me because i'm here?
[05:58] <zord> I guess these days nobody develops software for ubuntu, EXCEPT CANONICAL/
[06:00] <zord> gone/
[06:00] <ajmitch> oh dear, what a shame
[07:37] <pitti> Good morning
[07:53] <nigelbabu> morning pitti :)
[09:04] <Nafai> Is there a way to use apt-file to search a prior release?
[09:05] <jpds> Nafai: --sources-list ?
[09:06] <Nafai> ah
[09:26] <cotedivoire> Hello everyone I am looking to add a change Ubiquity Côte d'Ivoire in the list of PAys
[10:17] <markoz> hi
[10:33] <markoz> I'm deploying ubuntu in my company, what is the best way to have local changes to configuration (pam - ldap) and still have easy way to upgrade etc?
[10:34] <markoz> I was thinking about deb packages with changes to configuration but would that conflict with oryginal packages owning these files?
[10:34] <cwillu_at_work> markoz, you can divert and so forth
[10:35] <cwillu_at_work> many packages also have config dirs instead or in addition to single config files, which you can just dump new files into
[10:35] <ion> chef/puppet perhaps. (I’ll be switching from puppet to chef due to puppet’s limitations.)
[10:36] <StevenK> pitti: php5 is currently building on cushaw, thanks to bigjools.
[10:36] <pitti> yohoo
[10:37] <markoz> hmm config dir would be good but not sure if every package I need to configure uses that
[10:37] <markoz> I've read debian policy on conflicts in configuration files
[10:38] <markoz> best would be to have deb package with modifications to the files I need but fwiw this is not an option
[10:38] <ion> What i said. :-P
[10:39] <markoz> we have puppet for servers ;) not an option for desktop imo due to company structure here etc.
[10:39] <markoz> (long story)
[10:40] <markoz> what I need is ubuntu + local modifications which can be tracked, maintained, applied, reverted
[10:41] <markoz> modifications are mainly in configuration files
[10:41] <markoz> and that's it
[10:41] <markoz> just not sure how to achieve that so that it would live long and generate no problems with upgrades
[10:42] <soren> markoz: etckeeper.
[10:45] <wgrant> pitti: So you uploaded gvfs to lucid-proposed, waited for it to build (except for powerpc, which failed due to some buildd glitch), then copied to maverick, then tried and failed to copy from lucid-proposed to lucid-updates?
[10:45] <markoz> soren: interesting - will look into this
[10:45] <pitti> wgrant: pretty much, yes
[10:45] <pitti> wgrant: oh, did it attempt to build the missing powerpc binaries on maverick?
[10:45] <wgrant> pitti: Precisely.
[10:46] <StevenK> pitti: It did, yes, and it was sucessful
[10:46] <pitti> that explains it; d'oh
[10:46] <pitti> I should have looked earlier
[10:46] <wgrant> So the easiest way is probably to reupload to lucid-proposed, make sure it actually finishes building properly, then copy to maverick and lucid-updates.
[10:46] <pitti> *nod*
[10:46] <pitti> wgrant, StevenK: thanks for investigating!
[10:46] <wgrant> Bug #527551
[10:46] <StevenK> pitti: Welcome *hugs*
[10:51] <markoz> cwillu_at_work: divert seems like a way to go as well, thanks
[11:07] <Abhishek_Singh> folks:please telle me how to make a .deb file from a tarball(source code) that doesn't have a makefile
[11:08] <Abhishek_Singh> Currently it has a install.sh (shell script) to install it
[11:08] <Abhishek_Singh> During the course of installation it asks for password for postgresql database(that is prerequisite for its installation) several times.
[11:08] <Abhishek_Singh> I want to have GUI for that too i.e to allow a user to key in the passwords in the GUI Window.
[11:15] <astraljava> Abhishek_Singh: Might I suggest: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[11:16] <Abhishek_Singh> ok i will got through that link
[11:16] <Abhishek_Singh> astraljava:thanks
[11:17] <astraljava> Abhishek_Singh: #ubuntu-motu is the channel that helps with packaging issues, once you have a pretty solid packaging done. Best is to upload the package to REVU, and ask for reviewing then.
[11:18] <Abhishek_Singh> what is REVU?
[11:19] <cjwatson> Abhishek_Singh: first hit on google
[11:19] <cjwatson> well, first if you google for "revu ubuntu"
[11:20] <Abhishek_Singh> cjwatson: thanks
[11:20] <astraljava> revu.ubuntuwire.com, a place that tracks new packages meant to enter Ubuntu repositories. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:21] <Abhishek_Singh> ok i will go through the links that you have suggested
[12:15] <gartral> alright, i dont show my head here often, but today is an emergency, ubuntu's logd is completely brainfucked, for lack of a more apropiate term, as it makes logs, and stores old logs, but just the files, not text inside, completly nullifying the point of logs.. can anyone help me?
[12:29] <joaopinto> gartral, try #ubuntu for support
[12:30] <gartral> joaopinto: ... how thick are you people, i've been in #ubuntu for a hour now and not one mention of any four of my problems, like i said, i normally wouldnt come here for supprt, but this is an emergency..
[12:31] <azeem> gartral: file a bug
[12:32] <gartral> azeem: im fairly sure this isnt a normal bug, as i can only get my one computer to reproduce the problem
[12:33] <joaopinto> gartral, this is not an emergency support channel, on #ubuntu there is more people dedicated to support, any kind, from emergency to regular :)
[12:33] <joaopinto> gartral, a normal bug does not need to be reproducible across different systems
[12:33] <azeem> gartral: then look into canonical or other paid support, maybe
[12:34] <gartral> if i wanted that, i'de use redhat
[12:46] <gartral> well then heres a development question: when is the complete removal of mono from ubuntu going to take place? :)
[12:46] <jpds> gartral: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html
[12:51] <gartral> what about development of a seperate strian of ubuntu specifically lacking all closed source/patented materials for use in regions where laws forbid the use of patented software without licensing/approval? (not that the US currently upholds any such laws, but im awear of at least two countries in south america that do)
[12:52] <kklimonda> isn't it what gnewsense is about?
[12:53] <gartral> i havent heard of gnewsense
[12:53] <azeem> "How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on the source; if the number is greater than 1000, it probably does." -- Nat Friedman
[12:53] <azeem> gartral: maybe you should start researching a bit then
[12:53] <gartral> azeem: how does that work? ive never heard that before
[13:01] <gartral> gnewsense is no longer ubuntu-related, leading me back to my previous question: when will an official ubuntu strain, lacking mono/other non free softwares, be availible?
[13:02] <gartral> kklimonda: ^^^
[13:02] <kklimonda> gartral: why not use gnewsense anyway?
[13:03] <joaopinto> gartral, what makes you believe there will be one ?
[13:04] <joaopinto> and mono is classified as free software, afaik
[13:04] <gartral> joaopinto: the overall stance cononical and the ubuntu community has twards open source, and the huge social upheval twords mono right now and their sea of lawer-troll-sharks
[13:05] <joaopinto> gartral, mono is open source, there was a recent statement about mono in Ubuntu
[13:07] <joaopinto> gartral, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html
[13:07] <gartral> joaopinto: the framework is opensource, yes, but it doesnt do all it says it should, those of us with mono installed cant use the .net framework to watch movies on netflix, despite meeting every other concevable requirment, and novell and M$ are both concidered great evils..
[13:08] <ScottK> gartral: If you want an Ubuntu flavor with no mono, Kubuntu includes no mono applications in the default install.
[13:08] <gartral> ScottK: ah, and why does ubuntu? (im mearly curious, i've gone through and striped as much mono as i can from my installation
[13:09] <joaopinto> gartral, I hope Ubuntu doesn't turn into a social managed distribution, splitting Evil and God software :)
[13:09] <gartral> really, i wouldnt mind using mono so much if novell would stop lying about what mono is capable of
[13:09] <ScottK> I'm not a developer that is focused on the Ubuntu desktop, but my understanding is they are trying to pick the best applications for certain functions and don't care if it's in mono or not.
[13:10] <joaopinto> gartral, there is an explanation on the link I have provided :)
[13:11] <gartral> there was talk about mono being used for part of the next x.org.. im truly frightened at that possibility
[13:13] <joaopinto> gartral, that seems more like an anti mono troll rumour
[13:13] <gartral> joaopinto: like i said, i heard it somewhere, im deffinatly not officiall supporting the statment!
[13:13] <gartral> officially*
[13:14] <joaopinto> gartral, there are too many trolls, start filtering :P
[13:14] <gartral> lol
[13:17] <gartral> joaopinto: have to admit thoug, it's a scarey thought
[16:03] <beuno> pitti, ping
[16:14] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you check package ttf-cjk-compact whether is it ready to sync? from debian/changelog: fix po2ul.rb to work with updated libruby1.8-gettext
[16:23] <pitti> beuno: pong; please just ask, I'm not on IRC that often during UDS
[16:24]  * psusi wonders how UDS is going and wishes he was there
[16:26] <beuno> pitti, hi  :)    what do you know about the offline start page in Lucid?   I think it's gone, and I'd like it back
[16:26] <beuno> (firefox start page, that is)
[16:26] <pitti> beuno: It's supposed to be there; chrisccoulson is the man to talk to
[16:27] <beuno> pitti, thanks, I'll email him
[16:51] <psusi> what exactly is 10.04.1?
[16:52] <ari-tczew> psusi: 10.04 with bug fixes
[16:52] <psusi> are the release images actually going to be respun with the latest SRUs?
[16:52] <ari-tczew> something like that
[16:53] <psusi> so basically everything in -updates will be incorporated into a new iso?
[16:53] <psusi> hrm... interesting... I guess I better get on making an SRU to fix the dmraid breakage then
[16:54] <ari-tczew> yea, -updates include
[17:00] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: I looked at it briefly the other day; it still needs the port to python; whether it works with an updated libruby1.8-gettext is irrelevant to the reason I gave in the original changelog
[17:00] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: the merge is on my list and I will do it
[17:01] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ok
[19:42] <NoobFukaire> if any canonical people are here, apparently valve has announced linux support for their titles and steam
[19:42] <NoobFukaire> is canonical planning on making any overtures to valve to get steam put into canonical's software repo?
[19:42] <NoobFukaire> it'd be great to have that ready to go for ubuntu users
[19:43] <NoobFukaire> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
[23:25] <gangil> Hi , when I am using icat <device-name> <<file's inode number> , it isnt shoeing the output  ? what's wrong ?
[23:25] <gangil> For example , I gave : icat /dev/sda1 132610
[23:26] <gangil> that's the inode number of a file a.txt that I created on my desktop , and found out uding ls -i a.txt
[23:26] <gangil> can anyone help :-/
[23:30] <gangil> here is the link to what i have been tryin
[23:30] <arand> gangil: Mind that #ubuntu is the proper channel for support, not here.


[06:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4213 Failed to build
[08:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rbalint, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4234 Failed to build
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rbalint, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4234 Proposed pocket
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahasenack, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3971 Abandoning ticket
[13:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahasenack, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3971 Chroot problem (focal/pglogical-ticker). Successfully built (focal/cstore-fdw, focal/pg-fact-loader, focal/pglogical)


[03:18] <jnewt> i can't get out of the mate desktop and into a command line.  when i do sudo service stop lightdm, i just get a blinking cursor or some line about blocks being clean.  no prompt.  if i remove quiet splash vt.handoff from the linux line in grub and add single, i get a garbled mess of tiny text that I can't read.  I am trying to get to the command line to update my graphics driver which nvidia says can't be done from the de.
[03:19] <jnewt> i need to update my graphics driver in order to try to fix a host of other issues (core dump when running apps over vnc / rdp, disappearing bars from the desktop, etc.)
[03:19] <jnewt> v16.04
[04:05] <ubuntu-mate> any ideas on how to get wifi to work if the hardware button doesn't work on this HP laptop?
[09:24] <lhtd> why does the partition table header gets damaged when I boot ?
[09:24] <lhtd> Caution: invalid backup GPT header, but valid main header;
[09:24] <lhtd> regenerating
[09:24] <lhtd> backup header from main header.
[13:59] <PRI4B-10> hola
[14:00] <PRI4B-10> hola fer
[14:06] <DarkPsydeLord> hola
[16:25] <nomic> z.z.
[17:13] <mojumbo> is there a reason gcc is not packaged with the distro?  After installing I then installed my NVIDIA driver which it promptly complained b/c it couldn't build the kernel mods
[17:14] <mojumbo> I had to immediately apt-get gcc
[17:15] <Menzador> mojumbo: GCC isn't considered an essential part of the system at install time.
[17:15] <Menzador> (since everything's prebuilt)
[17:16] <Menzador> mojumbo: Also, I'd probably install build-essential instead of just gcc itself
[17:17] <mojumbo> actually, in the Linux world it is since every driver install is built - pretty much as a module at install time
[17:18] <Menzador> But that's because the modules come pre-built and are copied over by ubiquity (the installer) at install time.
[17:19] <Menzador> Also, NVIDIA's drivers are proprietary, which means Ubuntu can't ship them because they're built independent of the system's package management functions
[17:19] <mojumbo> sure.  I'm not saying that you should ship with NVIDIA drivers
[17:20] <Menzador> Well, what else do you expect? If the script screams at you, meet its demands and try again
[17:21] <mojumbo> I'm just saying, in many instances, gcc would appear to be fairly important
[18:16] <mate|71313> What is the life cycle of Ubuntu MATE 16.04?
[18:19] <Menzador> mate|71313: At least until 2019, if not 2021.
[18:23] <DarkPsydeLord> mate|71313,  Support ends April 2019.
[18:25] <mate|71313> Well with Ubuntu dropping support on 32 bit I am going to have to back track to LTS. I wondered if I should do mate. Or stay on budgie.
[18:27] <DarkPsydeLord> mate|71313, well i never used budgie before but i know i love mate :)
[18:28] <Menzador> DarkPsydeLord: Wait, where did you find that on our Web site?
[18:28] <Menzador> I combed it!
[18:29] <Menzador> Oh never mind, I found it.
[18:29] <Menzador> Yes, mate|71313 - support is only for 3 years
[18:29] <Menzador> on LTS systems
[18:31] <mate|71313> Budgie is 3 years as well. I might as well go bare bones.
[18:32] <mate|71313> Or Mint (Yuck)
[18:32] <Menzador> Ubuntu and Kubuntu are 5 years each
[18:33] <mate|71313> Lubuntu is 3 as well.
[18:34] <Menzador> Basically, only Ubuntu and Kubuntu do 5 years; the others (unless specifically stated) are 3 years
[18:40] <mate|71313> This piece of junk prolly wont last 5 years but what if it does.
[18:40] <mate|71313> LoL
[18:51] <mate|71313> Thanks for your help. Have a great day
[19:08] <DarkPsydeLord> its at the download section Menzador :)
[19:17] <Menzador> DarkPsydeLord: Yeah, that's where I found it.
[21:13] <joseph> Hi all - anyone have any experience using Citrix Receiver, in particular SSL error 4 ?
[21:13] <joseph> Long shot I know
[21:18] <SATA24> Hey. Is anyone there?
[21:20] <SATA24> Hey, I was wondering in anyone could help me with the installation of Ubuntu-Mate onto a MicroSD card for use in a raspberry pi zero. I have tried several times, but the pi zero just hangs on boot within 5 seconds of powering on every time.
[21:22] <SATA24> Is anyone online?
[21:23] <SATA24> Can anyone hear me?
[21:29] <Talikkaf> We can hear you. I cannot help you.
[21:29] <SATA24> Do you know if anyone can?
[21:30] <Talikkaf> of course many can :p
[21:30] <Talikkaf> did you find any relevant info via Google about similar problems?
[21:31] <SATA24> Not yet. I followed the instructions on the Ubuntu-Mate webpage exactly, however.
[21:31] <Talikkaf> Sometimes the install medium can get corrupted.
[21:31] <SATA24> So how do I ensure that it does not get corrupted?
[21:32] <Talikkaf> I don't know. Check the md5 sum and burn the image to a different flash drive. (probably the problem is somewhere else, though)
[21:33] <SATA24> I checked the sha sum of the archive when I downloaded it, and it was okay. I don't know where to find a sum for the unpacked .img file, however.
[21:33] <SATA24> Also, I only have one drive.
[21:34] <Talikkaf> Perhaps you can try an older release of ubuntu mate 32 bit
[21:34] <SATA24> I thought those were only for x86 architectures?
[21:36] <Talikkaf> http://askubuntu.com/questions/703070/does-ubuntu-work-on-a-raspberry-pi-zero
[21:36] <Talikkaf> I don't know enough of the architectures. Your device seems to be unable to run Ubuntu Mate.
[21:37] <Talikkaf> You should use raspbian and not mate on that zero, if I understood the article correctly
[21:38] <SATA24> I tried, but it kept hanging whenever I ran "sudo apt-get upgrade".
[21:39] <Talikkaf> and 'sudo apt-get update' also?
[21:39] <SATA24> Yes.
[21:39] <SATA24> I did Update, then Upgrade.
[21:39] <SATA24> It gets stuck on "reading (something or other) lists: 40%" and just sits there.
[23:49] <nicklas_> will you be able to upgrade ubuntu mate to 17.04 just like any other ubuntu derative?
[23:50] <nicklas_> also if youve added your own reposes, will they stay or get removed?
[23:50] <nicklas_> if they stay, will they change to new release automatically?
[23:50] <nicklas_> or do you need to change release?
[23:51] <nicklas_> if they dont stay, i want to copy the apt folder before upgrading


[01:42] <PerfieM> I plead guilty!
[01:42] <PerfieM> I didn't do anything!
[01:42] <PerfieM> rww: you needa relax and explain to me what you think I did
[01:43] <rww> I didn't ban you, but if I had banned you, I'd be extremely uncooporative and direct you to !appeals right now.
[04:32] <bazhang> * [JoeR1] (~joe@adsl-99-155-22-249.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net): Joseph Tayor  seems set on pushing all the wrong buttons in -ot
[06:17] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[06:18] <debiansarmy> I want to know how many channels you plan to kick me out of for explaining actual facts... of intelligence... Is that not the process to becoming smart???
[06:19] <debiansarmy> I find you total unaware of knowledge.  How much longer is this going to last in the world????
[06:20] <IdleOne> debiansarmy: Ubuntu channels have !guidelines and a !codeofconduct I suggest you familiarize yourself with.
[06:23] <IdleOne> debiansarmy: if there is nothing else please part this channel as per our no idling rule. thank you.
[06:24] <debiansarmy> Wow, no response.  No wonder why we are ranked last in mathematics.  I guess we are never going to get around to my genius.  Your to busy trying to define everything. Question when are you going to get out of the box your in?  This is the biggest question!  You know what makes Einstein seem so smart is what he did.  He didn't think about what was , but how to take was new and turn it into a...
[06:24] <debiansarmy> ...new power source... So when are you going to stop thinking about how to divide up a work load. But take what is created and make a new power source... That is why solar energy will be the future it has not been worked with its new
[06:24] <bazhang> ? that got cut off.
[06:25] <bazhang> your +q has been removed in #ubuntu-offtopic debiansarmy
[06:25] <debiansarmy> wow
[06:26] <IdleOne> the ability to string together several words with more than 3 syllables does not make a person "smart". Please rejoin #ubuntu-offtopic and play nice.
[06:26] <debiansarmy> fine I got you nothing new just the same old thing... when are we going to put two engines in a car and reduce the weight to make a car that gets 200 mpg...
[06:30] <debiansarmy> IdleOne: the idea is not string together words.... It is the idea of changing thought...  We have missed the big picture... If the idea is to bet gravitational force ... The answer is easy bet the number and you solve the problem... When ever did the numbers become so radical that we dont understand 2>1 .... Funny and you wonder why we are having problems... I admit the solution is not easy,...
[06:30] <debiansarmy> ...but it bets the idea of doing nothing...
[06:30] <bazhang> debiansarmy, presumably you joined here to have your +q removed; that has been done, so you are free to speak in offtopic again
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> Preferably with sense.
 oicebot   the bot from -cn
[07:48] <elky> tonyyarusso, why are you even bothering?
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> I don't know.
[08:05] <Myrtti> oof
[11:28] <Myrtti> bloodProgrammerX: hi, do you need help with something?
[11:35] <robinetd> Some guy named "megafag" just joined -ot.
[11:35] <robinetd> Thought you might want to know.
[11:42] <bloodProgrammerX> Hi. Did somebody want something
[12:33] <bazhang> troll detected
[12:35]  * LjL2 hides
 What is the point of a FloodBot?
[13:15] <bazhang> I sense a pattern here
[13:16] <knome> also see #xubuntu and his first comment
[13:16] <bazhang> yep
[13:16] <knome> bloaty is like completely different thing than him having too little ram
[13:16] <knome> ;)
[13:17] <Pici> LABcrab isn't a new user, they've been around on an off.
[13:18] <Myrtti> unless it's multiple people behind one account
[13:18] <Myrtti> like in a computer lab with default settings or something
[13:24] <bazhang> some odd advice from chroot
[13:45] <jpds> bazhang: You should of replied with: "What is the point of a butterfly?"
[13:45] <bazhang> hehe
[13:51] <bloodProgrammerX> Hi.
[13:51] <bloodProgrammerX> How do I join Ubuntu.
[13:51] <bloodProgrammerX> It seems I end up here every time I join #ubuntu.
[13:52] <bloodProgrammerX> Oh, wait, nevermind. I meant to join ##club-ubuntu. That's why I'm confused.
[13:52] <bloodProgrammerX> Nvm.
[13:53] <knome> was that supposed to make us feel bad because #ubuntu has rules?
[14:18] <bazhang> how convenient
[14:18] <Myrtti> indeed
[14:37]  * h00k facepalms
[17:21] <h00k> uh. Anyone have the old topic history?
[17:22] <h00k> for #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:23] <h00k> fix'd.
[17:28]  * genii-around gats a sudden urge to visit Wisconsin
[17:28] <h00k> My plan, it worked!
[17:32] <genii-around> Heh!
[18:05] <Pici> neat, I didn't realize we had a !nice factoid.
[18:12] <h00k> Pici: me either
[18:13] <h00k> I just discovered it through the ubottu
[18:13] <Pici> Looks pretty handy, and much faster than trying to explain niceness to someone.
[18:22] <genii-around> Interesting. Just checked into ubottu factoids page.. looks like the top 4 requested factoids in order are !pastebin !ask !ops and !offtopic  ... so it sort of looks like we get flooders, confused, trolls, and the chatty in that rough order... ;)
[18:23] <Pici> Good thing that ¡ops doesn't hilight anyone....
[18:23] <h00k> :)
[18:23] <h00k> pastebin comes from the floodbots
[18:24] <h00k> woahboy, how does one comment with eir?
[20:20] <genii-around> @login
[22:00] <h00k> LjL2: I was wondering the same thing
[23:49] <bazhang> * [imbored] (~philipp@chello084113015143.2.12.vie.surfer.at): philipp
[23:49] <Myrtti> how unsurprising
[23:52] <h00k> oh, I think I remember that name


[22:42] <thomi> hey barry, welcome back :)
[22:42] <barry> thomi: thanks! :)
[22:44] <thomi> barry: so I applied to join the DPMT, I figured it'd help me in my packaging efforts, but I haven't heard anything back. I wonder if I need to do anything else?
[22:44] <barry> thomi: \o/
[22:45] <barry> thomi: you shouldn't need to, but the team admins were probably all at debconf.  if you don't hear anything soon-ish, please re-ping
[22:45] <barry> *them :)
[22:45] <thomi> ahhh
[22:45] <thomi> of course
[22:45]  * barry is not a project admin
[22:45] <thomi> plus the long weekend I guess
[22:45] <thomi> cool
[22:45] <barry> yep, and travel and such.  but yay!
[22:46] <thomi> so, once I'm on the team, if I wanted to (for hypothetical example) bump python-testtools to the new upstream release, would I still use mentors, since I'm not a DD?
[22:46] <thomi> or just push to SVN and ask someone else to ? or?
[22:47] <barry> thomi: the next step for you would be to become a DM.  then you'd be able to upload team packages, or any package for which you maintain directly.  but in the meantime, i think updating the svn and pinging a team member would be the best thing
[22:48] <barry> thomi: one of the decisions at debconf is that the team will eventually move to git.  we're starting some experiments now, but not doing wholesale transitions
[22:48] <thomi> right - I saw the ML conversation...
[22:48] <thomi> I can't say I'm thrilled at using either git or svn, but *shrug*
[22:49] <thomi> oh, and the hypothetical example above? It wasn't so hypothetical - testtools (finally) released 1.0.0 the other day
[22:50] <barry> thomi: yeah.  git is for sure better than svn, and i'm actually hating git less these days.  a handful of aliases does make the difference, and i suspect in a few months i'll have consumed all the cool aid and will publicly shame and deride anyone who says the git cli sucks
[22:50] <thomi> hah
[22:50] <barry> thomi: i can certainly help with uploading testtools if you slap the svn into place
[22:50] <thomi> well, git, through it's terrible CLI design, still causes me to lose work on a regular basis
[22:51] <thomi> a VCS that I have to regularly backup my working folder in order to not lose work is a fail in my opinion
[22:51] <barry> thomi: no question, it's horrendous.  it was funny, linus lives in portland and came for a q/a session.  git did come up, but he claimed its cli wasn't as terrible as it used to be.  and i don't think he was joking. ;)
[22:52] <barry> "dr. it hurts when i do that"  "don't do that"
[22:52] <thomi> yeah
[22:52] <barry> not so easy when you don't know which command will poke you with a pointy stick
[22:52] <barry> sigh.  even salmon get sick of swimming upstream for too long
[22:53] <thomi> yeah


[02:08] <micahg> LoganCloud: did you ever get an FFe for that timbl/ticcutils transition?  I might be able to help a bit tonight with it
[11:47] <arand__> Does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1225360 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1225369 look in order, is subscribing ubuntu-release and title correct in this case? Being a package rename, does it still count as a new package and not a bugfix?
[15:48] <micahg> arand__: yes, it should readily be approved, but technically requires a freeze exception since it needs NEW processing
[16:27] <arand__> micahg: Ah, good, just making sure I've done the paperwork correctly :)
[16:28] <micahg> arand__: bonus points if you can link to the original request (if it's on a public ML)
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> i ask this far too often, usually every time i reinstall my system... how do I add a distribution so that debuild -S won't say "warning: unrecognized distribution: '[distro]'", so as to just remove the warnings?
[20:47] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: distro-info should help with that I think
[20:47] <micahg> hrm, maybe not
[23:27] <jtaylor> hmm upload a new version of a 2 hour build package to resolve a minor rounding issue in an autopkgtest or not?
[23:53] <micahg> jtaylor: buildds empty, if you're confident it'll fix it, go for it


[00:39] <vorlon> acheronuk: right, makes sense, thanks
[00:41] <vorlon> acheronuk: note however that this also means that a 'skiptest' is insufficient; uim won't migrate, which means qt won't migrate because it will increase the uninstallable count
[00:45] <acheronuk> vorlon: so this from update_output_notest.txt is wrong? https://paste.kde.org/phiiacpxi
[00:47] <vorlon> acheronuk: well, if we *also* skiptest uim itself, and if the emacs build failure only affects the autopkgtests and not installability, then it would migrate
[00:47] <acheronuk> regardless, just trying to make progress toward the end goal of migration. I'm aware there are other issues that could block this
[00:47] <acheronuk> one step at a time....
[00:48] <vorlon> otoh maybe we just needed to include uim in the triggers for the test
[00:49] <vorlon> which would almost have been<EMAIL_ADDRESS>except that has all-proposed=1
[00:52] <acheronuk> ic. in other words add enough other qt sources with uim in proposed as triggers, that it doesn't give up on apt pinning and switch the the proposed pocket anyway?
[00:52] <acheronuk> *to the
[01:00] <acheronuk> vorlon: btw, do you know how I might prevent installation of a recommnds font package on the iso? fonts-noto autosynced from debian now recommends fonts-noto-cjk-extra, which bumps Kubuntu and mate iso by ~300MB. blacklisting doesn't work to stop it installing
[01:26] <jbicha> acheronuk: fonts-noto is only a metapackage. Why don't you just remove it from your seed and pick the font packages you want?
[01:39] <acheronuk> jbicha: oh, for some reason I though that still packed at least some of the fonts. if not, that might do it. thanks
[01:49] <krytarik> acheronuk: Only your issue there is plasma-desktop.. >_>
[01:50] <acheronuk> krytarik: that can be fixed :)
[01:51] <krytarik> Hands on! :D
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[08:42] <rbalint> sil2100, could you please drop older gce-compute-image-packages from trusty and xenial Unapproved?
[08:43] <rbalint> sil2100, also could you please accept the latest ones to all releases if your SRU time permits? :-)
[08:47] <sil2100> rbalint: sure! Hopefully I'll get to that soon, for now I'm doing proposed->updates
[08:48] <sil2100> (there's a lot of that)
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> sure vorlon sorry for that, I'll take care in case nobody does it
[10:15] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, FYI, the python mysql dropin replacement is making all the upstream testsuite fail... I think it might be time to drop it... what do you think? https://github.com/django/django/pull/10824
[10:15] <gitbot> django issue (Pull request) 10824 in django "Use pymysql as a drop-in replacement for MySQLdb." [Open]
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't know why you introduced it, but it seems to be causing a lot of pain, and bot mysqldb and pymysql are in main...
[10:20] <LocutusOfBorg> you switched them on 24/08/2015 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-django/1.7.9-1ubuntu3 and 15 days later pymysql got MIRed
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gce-compute-image-packages [source] (trusty-proposed) [20181206+dfsg1-0ubuntu1~14.04.0]
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[11:13] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I hope he will action on the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1810772
[12:57] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: I think the problem at the time at least was that upstream openstack was moving to pymysql and it was our understanding that only one client would be maintained in main. but if both can be in main I don't see any reason to keep that patch. there's another patch in sqlalchemy too.
[12:57] <coreycb> jamespage: what do you think about dropping the pymysql patches? ^
[13:13] <jamespage> coreycb: that's ok but the side effect is that anywhere a connection string is not qualified with pymysql+ we need to make that change as well
[13:13] <jamespage> i.e. in the charms at least
[13:14] <jamespage> coreycb: django is not the only touch point right?
[13:15] <coreycb> jamespage: good point. django and sqlalchemy but i'm not entirely sure if something else may have been affected.
[13:24] <coreycb> jamespage: alright well seems like a good time in the release to take the risk so I'll go ahead and drop those patches
[13:31] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, too late, I dropped it already... if you mean python-django
[13:31] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: ah, thanks then :) I'll get sqlalchemy
[13:32] <LocutusOfBorg> as you wish, I can do it too :D
[13:33] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: i have it building. it should just be a sync.
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg> oh sync sync sync nice!
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> at least, reintroducing patches later seems feasible enough
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> LOL
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> sqlalchemy was wrong...
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> -Suggests: python-sqlalchemy-doc, python-psycopg2, python-mysqldb (>= 1.2.1-p2-2),
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> +Suggests: python-sqlalchemy-doc, python-psycopg2, python-pymysql (>= 1.2.1-p2-2),
[13:35] <LocutusOfBorg> the latest version for pymysql is 0.9.2-2 :D
[13:35] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: ah, well it's synced now
[13:36] <LocutusOfBorg> it was only a suggest, this is probably why britney didn't complain...
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[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, maybe you know... why is this not working? reverse-depends -c main -b src:python-pymysql -r disco
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> for some reasons even django is not there
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[13:49] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: maybe drop the -b ?
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[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, I tried also dropping "src:", nothing
[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg> in the meanwhile django migrated
[13:56] <coreycb> LocutusOfBorg: try dropping -b and adding -s
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[15:08] <acheronuk> cyphermox: hi. I'm a big out of depth debugging LP: #1810647
[15:09] <acheronuk> I don't suppose you can see anything obvious, seeing as you are much more familiar with what that is doing
[15:25] <cyphermox> acheronuk: I'd wager it has something to do with the KeyError: 'Deutsch'  error in UbiquityDebug.txt
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[15:26] <cyphermox> that said, sorry, I can't really spend more time on it -- I think this might be some mixup caused by using a translated string where an untranslated one should be used?
[15:26] <acheronuk> cyphermox: yeah, I got that far. any insight helps :)
[15:27] <cyphermox> acheronuk: ok
[15:27] <cyphermox> acheronuk: check if /usr/lib/ubiquity/console-setup/kbdnames.gz contains anything
[15:27] <acheronuk> I was just asking, as you might spot somthing in a few mins that might take me hours!
[15:27] <acheronuk> ok
[15:28] <cyphermox> maybe the seed is missing some little piece of the keyboard handling packages - especially some x11* bit
[15:28] <cyphermox> I checked the "obvious"  x11-xkb-utils, but that' s there
[15:28] <acheronuk> ok. ok I'll do an compare between the Kubuntu installed packages and another flavour that works
[15:29] <cyphermox> maybe keep that until later, since that might be very effort intensive :)
[15:30] <cyphermox> hrm, kbdnames.gz would have to contain the same thing as every other flavor, it comes straight from ubiquity
[15:31] <acheronuk> cyphermox: tried to get some of the values: https://i.imgur.com/QCHMQgQ.png
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[15:32] <acheronuk> cyphermox: ummm. I meant to do this in #ubuntu-installer. sorry :/
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[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, so neutron nova and python-oslo.db needs to update their dependency?
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[17:54] <vorlon> acheronuk, tsimonq2, valorie, wxl[m]: Kubuntu disco-desktop-amd64.iso daily is currently oversized, but it looks like no one from Kubuntu team is currently getting notifications about this.  Would you care to give me a list of email addresses that we should send these notifications to?
[17:56] <acheronuk> vorlon: I rebuilt it earlier after some changes, and it is now 1.8GB
[17:57] <acheronuk> from 2.1GB
[17:57] <acheronuk> ubuntu-mate is 2.3GB though. fonts-noto to blame again I think
[17:58] <acheronuk> I let Martin know on telegram yesterday
[17:59] <acheronuk> vorlon: for me, you can send to rikmills at kubuntu dot org
[17:59] <tsimonq2> vorlon: You can send notices for me to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:59] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[17:59] <acheronuk> ^^ that also :)
[18:06] <vorlon> thanks, added you both - and yeah, the email I'm looking at is 6 hours out of date, whoops ;)
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: unity-scope-gnote (disco-proposed/primary) [0.1+13.10.20130723-0ubuntu2]
[18:11] <vorlon> bluesabre: ^^ similar question for xubuntu - is there an email address we should be notifying in case of oversized xubuntu images (and image build failures)?
[18:14] <vorlon> Wimpress: ^^ and for ubuntu-mate, same question; who should be notified?
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted heudiconv [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.5.2-1]
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[09:08] <andru183> yeah!! Ubuntu party day!!
[09:10] <czajkowski> :)
[09:10] <czajkowski> andru183: morning
[09:11] <tdr112> morning all
[09:11] <czajkowski> hey tdr112
[09:15] <andru183> morning guys
[09:15] <czajkowski> busy day in ubuntu land
[09:15] <czajkowski> eerye going is it out yet is it out yet
[09:15] <czajkowski> wont be out for a few hours
[09:16] <czajkowski> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1195
[09:19] <ebel> hello
[09:20] <andru183> aw!! I want it now!!
[09:20] <andru183> might do a format and install rather than an upgrade
[09:22] <czajkowski> its kinda cool to see the download graph after it's released
[09:23] <czajkowski> it just shoots up for downloads
[09:23] <czajkowski> and the release manager is state side :)
[09:23] <czajkowski> so theres a clue on the time :)
[09:24] <czajkowski> andru183: did you get the room opened for later on today ?
[09:26] <andru183> nope, still didn't find a porter but I know there's another room we can take that will have everything we need, projector, screen, tables and chairs. I'll talk to a porter if I see one but I have a backup
[09:27] <czajkowski> grand job
[09:27] <czajkowski> I'll be down a little after 5:30 depending on traffic to the CSIS right ?
[09:29] <andru183> yep, that's the place
[09:29] <andru183> spme of us will be in class till about 5:50 but I should be there to set up
[09:29] <czajkowski> grand
[15:25]  * andru183 checks Ubuntu.com and looks worried
[15:25] <andru183> what time is the new release?
[15:35] <slashbel> what timezone is the new release?
[15:46] <czajkowski> should be out soon!
[15:46] <czajkowski> !isitoutyet
[15:47] <ebel> slashbel: it is released at some point when it is this date somewhere on earth
[15:47] <ebel> i.e. they don't want to be held to it.
[15:48] <andru183> lubotu3 you are the funniest bot I've seen yet
[15:48] <andru183> :D
[15:48] <andru183> ha ha ha
[15:48] <andru183> I love that thing
[15:55] <andru183> Thought the Dublin party was on tonight, just sent messages out to point out that's it's not
[17:30] <Mokmeister> Infoturtle about?
[17:31] <Mokmeister>  Wondering where this release party is?
[17:31] <Mokmeister> In limerick that is
[17:38] <Mokmeister-> Phone doesn't seem to like irc! :)
[17:51] <tdr112> andru183: nope this weekend
[20:04] <airurando> evening
[20:05] <airurando> how goes the Limerick release party?
[20:12] <czajkowski> it went well
[20:12] <czajkowski> just in
[20:13] <czajkowski> about about 20+there for the talk
[20:13] <czajkowski> then about 18 of use went to the pub for pizza and drink and installing 12.10
[20:13] <airurando> saw your pic tweet
[20:13] <airurando> nice to see.
[20:14] <airurando> czajkowski would be interested in seeing you presentation myself.
[20:14] <airurando> are you going to put it up anywhere?
[20:15] <czajkowski> yup just doing it now
[20:15] <czajkowski> http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/18/google-launches-11-6-inch-arm-based-samsung-chromebook-249-ul/  pretty
[20:17] <airurando> was there any interest shown in the LoCo at the presentation?
[20:19] <czajkowski> yup
[20:19] <czajkowski> they might start meeting every few weeks just to chat and see how things go
[20:19] <czajkowski> informal
[20:19] <airurando> cool
[20:19] <airurando> informal is good
[20:20] <airurando> anything is good
[20:21] <czajkowski> and all had their 12.04 cds from skycon
[20:22] <airurando> :)
[20:22] <airurando> I reckon those CDs are gold
[20:22] <airurando> as a non geek
[20:22] <czajkowski> yeah
[20:22] <czajkowski> many wanted to download it and burn it tonight
[20:22] <czajkowski> but we didnt have dvds
[20:23] <czajkowski> told them we'd be getting some soon
[20:23] <czajkowski> so going in next tuesday to do another round
[20:23] <airurando> great
[20:23] <airurando> I prodded ebel to get the order in
[20:24] <czajkowski> yay
[20:24] <airurando> it is in and based on recent iterations we should have them soom
[20:25] <airurando> I have strong opinions on the iterations on offer
[20:26] <airurando> 12.04 for ordinary jane/joe soaps until 14.04 comes along. Hence Golden!
[20:26] <airurando> all other iterations for those more geeky folks
[20:26] <airurando> such as Ul Comp Soc folks
[20:26] <czajkowski> see I dont think I'd leave anyone on 12.04
[20:26] <czajkowski> I think 12.10 is a lot nicer
[20:26] <airurando> he he
[20:27] <airurando> I think we differ on this
[20:27] <airurando> what are your reasons (very interested)
[20:28] <airurando> the 5 yrs support is very well received by my sister
[20:28] <airurando> she thinks 18 months is crazy
[20:28] <airurando> different strokes for different folks
[20:28] <czajkowski> lotta the quirks I found on 12.04 are gone
[20:28] <czajkowski> better performace
[20:29] <czajkowski> all our webaps
[20:29] <czajkowski> more tighter intergration
[20:29] <airurando> absolutely no argument her
[20:30] <airurando> *here
[20:30] <airurando> but LTS is king for ordinary folk like me and my sis
[20:30] <czajkowski> http://ubuntuone.com/24nqXy1z8u3QyHestGbumH  PDF or http://ubuntuone.com/4SDsBfsrMduWrEjh85hFWi   ODP
[20:34] <airurando> very nice
[20:34] <czajkowski> click on the video
[20:34] <czajkowski> video makes everything so clear
[20:37] <airurando> getting error on that. will try later
[20:37] <airurando> I think I know what it's about
[20:38] <airurando> on a different note
[20:38] <airurando> my long lost school friend who attended skycon has finally dipped his toes into Ubuntu
[20:39] <czajkowski> yay
[20:39] <airurando> getting on well
[20:39] <airurando> I've been at him for months
[20:39] <airurando> as he is a techy
[20:39] <airurando> but a 1 hour talk by Mr Shuttleworth finally convinces him!
[20:40] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUTNxi6b-hw&feature=youtu.be
[20:45] <airurando> excellent
[20:51] <tdr112> airurando: good to hear he gave it a go
[20:56] <airurando> aye tdr112
[20:57] <airurando> tdr112 do you want the banner and tablecloth for sat?
[20:59] <tdr112> banner might be good to put up for a photo or two
[21:00] <airurando> will do
[21:00] <airurando> will need a wide angle lens to get it all in
[21:00] <airurando> :)


[19:17] <ttoine> hi
[19:17] <ttoine> hi
[19:33] <astraljava> -hta
[19:33] <astraljava> -hat*
[19:33] <astraljava> grr
[19:44] <ttoine> hi astraljava
[19:50] <astraljava> Hi Antoine. HOw's it going?
[19:52] <knome> 22:45 » ttoine<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntustudio-devel []
[19:52] <knome> 22:50  astraljava: Hi Antoine. HOw's it going?
[19:52] <knome> hurr?
[19:53] <astraljava> Wah?
[19:54] <astraljava> Oh. Well I have joins/parts filtered.
[19:54] <astraljava> It's only a problem if people start commenting on that. See, it woulda been only one unnecessary line, but you just made it six more entries.
[19:54] <astraljava> So shame on you.
[19:54] <astraljava> That's seven, now.
[19:54] <knome> \o/
[19:55] <astraljava> Err... eight.
[19:55] <knome> yeah.
[19:55] <astraljava> ARGH!
[19:55] <knome> i'm trying to take over ubuntu studio too.
[19:55] <astraljava> You evil evil nasty person you.
[20:21] <knome> astraljava, he's back ;)
[20:33] <ttoine> knome: great to see you there
[20:33] <knome> ttoine, hey :)
[20:33] <ttoine> I am very curious to know why the new website is not online...
[20:33] <knome> ttoine, scott should go throught the content and ACK me to publish it
[20:33] <knome> ttoine, after that i'll file a ticket for canonical IS and it'll be published soonish
[20:34] <ttoine> I am so sorry I was not available for a couple of week. I am launching my new business and it takes all my time
[20:34] <knome> no problem:)
[20:34] <knome> good luck with the business though!
[20:34] <knome> may i ask, what is it?
[20:35] <ttoine> thanks... I have so much hope with that
[20:35] <ttoine> knome: it is in french
[20:35] <ttoine> http://libre-factory.com
[20:35] <ttoine> My aim is to work with small business and independant and manage their web presence
[20:37] <ttoine> I do that for a long time for a few people : internet, social network, computer maintenance and those people told me that I do a good job and I should start my own business...
[20:37] <knome> :)
[20:37] <knome> yeah
[20:37]  * knome does some of the same :)
[20:38] <ttoine> The other side would to try to get a deal with some social services to be able to offer to lone people IT courses
[20:38] <ttoine> for example old people so they can follow their grand children accross the world
[20:39] <knome> mm-hmm
[20:39] <knome> ++
[20:39] <ttoine> or for people with handicap so they can stay in touch with friends and family