[12:57] <guiverc> vorlon (#ubuntu-release) asked about https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036999 being flagged for/by us; I don't have a wifi-internet install handy to see (overwritten by last without internet); anyone around with details?  our 'final' image isn't on iso.qa I think b/c of this
[12:57] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2036999 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity: Wifi password not copied to new install" [High, Fix Released]
 Reading the bug, it specifically states Ubiquity. Why did we flag it?
[13:05] <guiverc> to my knowledge we did not.  vorlon asked tsimonq2 (no answer yet) if we were asked about it
 I don't know that we were.
[13:06] <guiverc> I can't recall if wifi was working AFTER-first-boot on new wifi-enabled install; my last install on wifi device was without internet.. so I don't have a wifi enabled mantic to check
 I can run through a test in a little bit
[13:07] <guiverc> y
 I will need to download a daily so it will be a few
[13:07]  * guiverc that was intended for the mkusb window
 👍
[13:07] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez , i'm writing iso now, but I really wanna go to bed ..
 I just got up. I need some coffee while I download stuff.
[13:08] <guiverc> if a problem though, i'm writing current daily... (i'm gonna go clean teeth & other usual stuff.. so can do it in the background)
[13:18] <kc2bez> slow downloads are slow
[13:24] <guiverc> my zsync was >90% complete at start.. thus still on slow-write-to media (though that's mostly done anyway)
[13:28] <kc2bez> Weird mine aborted at the end, I had to start it up again and it finished almost immediately.
[13:28] <kc2bez> Writing to disk now
[13:29] <guiverc> i've just ejected thumb-drive & booting on sony thingy kc2bez
[13:34] <kc2bez> Booting on my Asus thingy
[13:34] <guiverc> :)
[13:35]  * guiverc hopes your thingy has full size keyboard & larger screen than this one
[13:37] <kc2bez> It actually isn't bad. No 10 key on the side so the remainder isn't squished.
[13:40] <kc2bez> Rebooting
[13:41] <guiverc> my think is still at initramfs... of install
[13:41] <kc2bez> Yup, no wireless.
[13:41] <kc2bez> :(
[13:42] <guiverc> yeah :(  but to me that's not a huge issue; we should only install once, so twice entering a wifi key ain't that bad ...
[13:44] <kc2bez> I agree. It is Simon's call but I don't think it should be a release blocker. We need to get it in the release notes though.
[13:45] <guiverc> finally rebooted mine & can confirm I have no internet wifi password on first boot..
[13:52] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez !
[13:53] <kc2bez> Thanks to you as well!
 Caught me at a good spot to send vorlon a response with a fix ;)
 guiverc: Sometimes I don't know how we'd do it without you my friend :)
 Kay, here's my thoughts on RC blocker: yes. It's a regression from the last release and the solution is already easy and known.
 fyi we are in final freeze and release is this week so we need to *fix it* if its a regression
 just sayin
 NSS (re @teward001: fyi we are in final freeze and release is this week so we need to *fix it* if its a regression)
 ;)
[14:38] <kc2bez> Just so I am clear, we know what the fix is? Or we know what the workaround is? I am feeling a little dense on the actual fix.
 I'll respond on -release as soon as I walk in the building here, but I read the Ubiquity fix and we just need to DTRT WRT netplan files. Might need a little tweaking due to, well, using Netplan, but overall I think I can fix that today
[15:19] <tsimonq2> I have some local code that, er, *seems* sane enough. I'm going to Frankenstein an install into a qcow2 file (or similar) from a live ISO on my real hardware to test this and see what's up.
[16:22] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.3 => 23.10.4] (lubuntu)
[16:22] <tsimonq2> ^ That upload sets the wallpaper to per-monitor by default. I ran into it when doing my local testing.
[16:27] <tsimonq2> I couldn't get the live ISO to do what I wanted it to, so I have a VM with some static IP settings that have essentially the same effect.
[16:42] <tsimonq2> calamares upload incoming with fixes.
[16:43] <tsimonq2> @teward001 ^ yes, fixes, actual fixes :P
[16:43] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares (mantic-proposed/universe) [3.3.0-alpha2-0ubuntu5 => 3.3.0-alpha2-0ubuntu6] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
 Er... no it doesn't

 https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/mantic/common/modules/automirror/automirror.conf#L10 (re @kc2bez: guiverc: That ^ uses https://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup now. If for some reason that was down you would get New York. That is the fallback default location.)
 Might be able to squeeze in a fix for that, too.
[16:48] <kc2bez> Automirror needs a refactor to parse xml vs json
[16:48] <tsimonq2> On it.
[16:48] <kc2bez> okie dokie
[16:50] <kc2bez> it probably should remove the "partners" section too, that is defunct as well. It has always been commented out so I sort of forgot about it.
[16:50] <kc2bez> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/mantic/common/modules/automirror/main.py#L79
[16:50] <tsimonq2> 10-4
[16:51] <kc2bez> Thanks tsimonq2 !
[17:20] <tsimonq2> Of course. Tested and uploaded to the archive.
[17:21] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (mantic-proposed/universe) [1:23.10.3 => 1:23.10.4] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[17:22] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: ^^
 (in -release) 17:21 < tsimonq2> To be clear, at this point Lubuntu has three uploads I'd really like in (or at the very least reviewed) before final. Those are lubuntu-default-settings, calamares, and calamares-settings-ubuntu.
 TBF the welcome module does use the Ubuntu geoip which is where the timezone in the installer comes from. (re @tsimonq2: Er... no it doesn't

 https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/mantic/common/modules/automirror/automirror.conf#L10)
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> 🔧 ➡ ⚙
 Eventually (probably next cycle) we'll remove that duplication. (re @kc2bez: TBF the welcome module does use the Ubuntu geoip which is where the timezone in the installer comes from.)
 Sounds good
[17:24] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: 😎😎😎😎😎😎
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> 😂
[17:24] <tsimonq2> 🥷🥷🥷🥷
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> I think you misunderstood my emojis. That was a wrench into cogs.
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Ahhhh, we both know there's no such thing 'round these here parts.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> "Riiiiiight." -Kronk
[17:26] <tsimonq2> I think we're set for this cycle, in terms of bugs. If anyone finds something, ping me please :)
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> 😎
[17:27]  * tsimonq2 watches in horror as Eickmeyer breaks the entire archive on release day
[17:27] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> That depends on if the kernel behaves with USB Midi devices (spoiler: it wasn't earlier).
[17:28] <tsimonq2> Bahaha, oooof.
[17:28] <tsimonq2> Also, at first sight of a new codename, ping me immediately and we'll get rolling ;)
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> A new version just hit release, so there will be testing when I get home.
[17:29]  * tsimonq2 throws broken s390x and riscv64 builds at Eickmeyer
[17:40]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> shoves an s390x mainframe into tsimonq2's living room
[21:45] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-default-settings [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.4]
 *shoves an arraybolt3 into tsimonq2's living room*
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> Tested the kernel with the bug I was experienced before, passed with flying colors.
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> s/experienced/experiencing
 the location issue is only not-detected occasionally. (re @tsimonq2: Might be able to squeeze in a fix for that, too.)
 Simon's fixes got accepted. We should have something to test later.
[23:11] <guiverc> ack & thanks kc2bez
 FWIW... here's the way I tested these things so you guys have a better chance at reproducing them
 Default settings needs a multi monitor setup. You can emulate one with QEMU, or use a real one. Before the upload, the wallpaper should stretch over both screens, after the upload the wallpaper should be specific per-screen.
 (I think we should also change the wallpaper to not stretch so weirdly in VMs but that's another topic)
[23:24] <kc2bez> I can test the multimonitor thing with my laptop
 With Calamares, it's not limited to WiFi passwords. Configure a static IP in Advanced Network Settings, verify a file shows up in /etc/netplan/90-NM*. Cala is simply making sure that file ends up on the installed system.
 Thanks Dan!
 With Cala settings, I used sudo iftop to monitor network usage closely during the install. Verify that it only hits Canonical servers and sets up the right sources.list on reboot
[23:26] <kc2bez> Thanks to you as well!
[23:26] <guiverc> fyi: i use many multi-desktops in live testing; and dc7700 is used for install testing & is multi-monitor (on occasion I install test on other boxes; d780 also two monitors)   The mantic wallpaper works for me in my testing (in fact I love it especially on one multi-monitor system though it has different size monitors but colors just work so well there)
 No worries :)
 guiverc: It may work but does it scale weird by default? :)
 I'm thinking those three packages were accepted right around a Britney run. Default settings got picked up, the rest are waiting on the next run (or even one following that for autopkgtests)
[23:30] <kc2bez> I'm watching
 🍿
[23:31] <guiverc> my hpdc7700, dell.780 use an old dell 4:3 monitor & 16:10 which have very different DPI as well as proportions, the mantic wallpaper just looked great on that (esp. dc7700, as d780 swaps left & right around by default due connection)
 Yeah my laptop does that too... how far did we get with diagnosing random monitor swaps between SDDM and the desktop?
 That might be an @arraybolt3 question ;) ^^
 Ah, got it. Thanks anyway man :)
 This next cycle I also want to solve one of my biggest pet peeves... QTerminal text autowrapping. If you open a small terminal window, run sudo apt update, then resize it to be bigger, you know what I'm talking about
 @arraybolt3 I often do the same ;)
 I am doing the same (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> (I was sitting here watching the conversation while doing other work))
 I asked the KDE President (who I'm sure @Eickmeyer also met) in person about that issue, and he said "meh, don't fork Konsole, use it as-is" well thanks :/ (re @tsimonq2: This next cycle I also want to solve one of my biggest pet peeves... QTerminal text autowrapping. If you open a small terminal window, run sudo apt update, then resize it to be bigger, you know what I'm talking about)
 I'm always in the shadows (re @tsimonq2: @arraybolt3 I often do the same ;))
 XD
 I'd argue you're even less in the shadows than we are ;)
 Let us just take a moment to recognize
 Lubuntu's español channel on Telegram has FOUR HUNDRED MEMBERS!
 You and everyone else there are doing great work :)
 Thank you for helping manage one of our biggest groups
[23:38] <kc2bez> It is busy over there, I can confirm.
[23:38] <kc2bez> It is great to see
 Jajajaja, yes. It's a good amount of people. (re @tsimonq2: Lubuntu's español channel on Telegram has FOUR HUNDRED MEMBERS!)
 I'll bring that up to Phillip in person... we created these almost-LOCOs for Lubuntu users, but e.g. I've had requests from Ubuntu-IT to consolidate :)
 It's always a pleasure (re @tsimonq2: Thank you for helping manage one of our biggest groups)
 The Spanish group is pretty darn untouchable :)
 Yep. He helped me get the variables set for Ubuntu Studio so that the theming could be used in both Wayland and X11 without breakage. (re @tsimonq2: I asked the KDE President (who I'm sure @Eickmeyer also met) in person about that issue, and he said "meh, don't fork Konsole, use it as-is" well thanks :/)
 Took a bit of coding gymnastics further than what we did, but it started the process.
 I really enjoy the friends I have here, it is always a pleasure to be with you. (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> Roberalz: I really enjoyed getting to help in the Spanish IRC channel every so often back when I was there. Hopefully I'll get to do it again once I can come back :))
 We have a potentially large Spanish-speaking Edubuntu base that is likely to get larger with 24.04 and the RasPI images. I have someone who's going to be on the team that runs a computer lab in Mexico full of Pis that he wants running Edubuntu.
 There is even a dedicated edubuntu-es ML that I wouldn't mind him running eventually.
 Very nice :) I hope him and friends are there again (re @Eickmeyer: Took a bit of coding gymnastics further than what we did, but it started the process.)
 I agree completely :) (re @Roberalz: I really enjoy the friends I have here, it is always a pleasure to be with you.)
 Very very nice! (re @Eickmeyer: We have a potentially large Spanish-speaking Edubuntu base that is likely to get larger with 24.04 and the RasPI images. I have someone who's going to be on the team that runs a computer lab in Mexico full of Pis that he wants running Edubuntu.)
 The issue that I'd like to talk more in-detail about with someone like Phillipp is, a merge between Ubuntu-wide communities would be cool but it should be friendly and not a large, forced merger (re @Eickmeyer: There is even a dedicated edubuntu-es ML that I wouldn't mind him running eventually.)
 Well, after a 9-year hiatus for Edubuntu it is only potential, but the interest is there.
 Carpe diem :)
 No, you misunderstand. It's already a thing on l.u.c (re @tsimonq2: The issue that I'd like to talk more in-detail about with someone like Phillipp is, a merge between Ubuntu-wide communities would be cool but it should be friendly and not a large, forced merger)
 Oh?
 Always has been. 🌎🔫


[02:30] <lapo> hi there
[02:32] <andreasn> hi
[02:32] <andreasn> man, I was looking for you the other day, I think I was going to ask you something regarding icons
[02:32] <andreasn> but now I forgot what it was
[02:33] <lapo> eheh, you're too busy man :-)
[02:33] <andreasn> and have a memory like a goldfish
[02:33] <andreasn> apparently
[02:33] <lapo> tomboy is your friend :-)
[02:34] <andreasn> a thing I could ask you though is if you have any special plans for icons in gnome during the 2.20 development
[02:35] <andreasn> I've made a small want-to-do list for myself, but if we could have a more steady roadmap, that would be cool
[02:35] <lapo> andreasn: same ol plans, complete the whole thing and tangoify apps
[02:35] <andreasn> same as always then :)
[02:35] <lapo> andreasn: I have more or less all the emotes ready, anly waiting for the naming specs to settle down in that field
[02:36] <lapo> andreasn: the spec is missint stuff like :-P
[02:36] <lapo> missing even
[02:36] <andreasn> I added a bunch of hbons emotes to g-i-t the other day
[02:36] <andreasn> the ones he did for whatever gaim is called these days
[02:36] <andreasn> but if yours are better, we can go for those instead
[02:37] <lapo> andreasn: the hbons one are a bit boring compared to the tango ones, I did something sligtly different
[02:38] <andreasn> the gossip dudes really want a base set of emotes in git, and I'm sure evolution would want some as well
[02:39] <lapo> andreasn: http://xoomer.alice.it/bat/tmp/smileys.png
[02:40] <lapo> andreasn: I was working on these ones when I got pissed off...well... you know the story
[02:40] <andreasn> yeah
[02:40] <andreasn> these looks great
[02:42] <lapo> devil-sad should probably die and :-P should be added to the specs tho
[02:42] <andreasn> yeah, that is used a lot
[02:43] <andreasn> http://andreasn.se/diverse/temp/icons-roadmap-220.html
[02:43] <lapo> is that guy still "in charge" for the naming specs?
[02:43] <andreasn> just some rough ideas scribbled down
[02:43] <andreasn> are you logged in on freenode?
[02:44] <lapo> andreasn: we need icons (or better emblems) for stuff like bluetooth, usb, ieee1394 and the like
[02:44] <lapo> andreasn: yes I am


[00:03] <rick_h__> cos1: howdy
[00:04] <cos1> not bad, man!
[00:04] <cos1> What about yourself?
[00:04] <rick_h__> cos1: having too much fun :)
[00:04] <marcoceppi> fritchie: that's a new one for me.
[00:04] <cos1> is it even a thing? ;)
[00:05] <cos1> I wasn't even aware that someone can have too much of it, rick_h__ :)
[00:05] <rick_h__> cos1: on definitely, it's called 'red-lining' :)
[00:05] <cos1> ah ;_
[00:06] <fritchie> is there a way to delete a maas environment besides maas destroy-environment, it just hangs on that
[00:06] <arosales> cos1: hello and welcome :-)
[00:07] <cos1> thanks arosales!
[00:07] <cos1> Good to be here indeed
[00:07] <arosales> cos1: just in time for the juju 2.0 goodness
[00:08] <cos1> wheee! ;)
[00:08] <cos1> Would be a lot to learn in the first day or two ;)
[00:10] <marcoceppi> o/ cos1
[00:10] <marcoceppi> good to see you again
[00:12] <cos1> likewise man!
[02:47] <axino> marcoceppi cory_fu : now I get "INFO install The executable =python3 (from --python==python3) does not exist" , we want -ppython3 actually (without the =)
[02:48] <lazyPower> axino o/ isn't it silly late for you?
[02:49] <axino> o/ lazyPower
[03:40] <axino> cory_fu marcoceppi : we also need to install the "virtualenv" package, else it's not there sometimes apparently !
[07:35] <saadraza92> hey there
[09:44] <saadraza92> any juju guru here?
[09:45] <saadraza92> facing problems regarding ssh from a juju machine
[10:27] <tinwood> gnuoy, have you got a moment for a quick question?
[11:55] <Sophie__> hello :)
[11:55] <Sophie__> i have big trouble with juju maybe some1 could help me
[11:55] <Sophie__> :D
[12:03] <Sophie__> I am trying to install juju on maas with vms, but although juju has deployed on the node it seems like it is not installed
[12:05] <Sophie__> i cannot make the maas server to auto start the node and I do it manually every time, i dont know if this is the problem
[12:11] <Sophie__> btw I am awesome <3
[12:25] <saadraza92> there?
[12:44] <jcastro> magicaltrout: I see you had a problem with juju's search results
[12:45] <magicaltrout> jcastro: i don't have problems, i just think they're a bit useless :)
[12:45] <jcastro> heh, yeah
[12:45] <jcastro> so, I've filed a few bugs on it
[12:45] <jcastro> and also on our general SEO stuff
[12:45] <jcastro> which is terrible also
[12:46] <jcastro> just letting you know mramm will be leading the effort to make search, SEO, and general "why can't people discover this?" problems less sucky
[12:46] <magicaltrout> cool.
[12:47] <magicaltrout> I just think that the non recommended stuff shouldn't get pushed so far down when nothing in the recomended namespace matches, basically.
[12:47] <magicaltrout> at first i didn't think my charm was listed cause I couldn't find it without Ctrl+F :)
[12:47] <jcastro> anyway, the more people who are non-me who complain about it, the more attention it will get
[12:47] <jcastro> so basically, being more squeaky wheel helps me get resources
[12:47] <magicaltrout> want me to complain on the mailing list as well? :)
[12:47] <jcastro> because why even have a search at all?
[12:48] <jcastro> yes, that would be great
[12:48] <magicaltrout> k, i'll put something together over lunch and dispatch it
[12:48] <magicaltrout> i'm british we like a good moan
[12:49] <jcastro> yeah plus when markS sees our little papercut it helps get us the focus we need to just fix the little things
[12:49] <jcastro> sometimes we're so worried about the little problems that we forget the little things
[12:49] <jcastro> I meant the big problems, heh.
[13:04] <cory_fu> axino: Fixed.  It already does install python-virtualenv: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/blob/master/lib/charms/layer/basic.py#L34
[14:48] <tvansteenburgh> what's the best way to get a list of all the trusty charms in the charm store?
[14:49] <jrwren> tvansteenburgh: http://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/list?series=trusty
[14:49] <rick_h__> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/search?text=&series=trusty&limit=2000
[14:49] <rick_h__> doh
[14:49] <tvansteenburgh> fight!
[14:49] <tvansteenburgh> thanks guys!
[14:49] <jrwren> rick_h__: haha, beat ya! ;]  and I like my way better
[14:50] <rick_h__> jrwren: I do to!
[14:50] <jrwren> you got the https right though. I got it wrong.
[14:50] <tvansteenburgh> jrwren, rick_h__: is there a way to filter this down to only recommended charms?
[14:50] <rick_h__> well I entered it into a browser first
[14:52] <jrwren> tvansteenburgh: add &promulgated=1 to the querystring
[14:52] <rick_h__> tvansteenburgh: I forget if the query arg is promulgated=true or what
[14:52] <tvansteenburgh> jrwren: thanks
[14:52] <urulama> tvansteenburgh: its owner= (empty)
[14:53] <marcoceppi> wait, it's not approved=1 anymore?
[14:53] <urulama> marcoceppi: never was
[14:53] <urulama> marcoceppi: well, at least last 2 years :)
[14:54] <tvansteenburgh> urulama: owner= gives me no results
[14:55] <urulama> tvansteenburgh: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/search?text=&owner=&limit=100
[14:55] <jrwren> promulgated=1 works.   | to jq '.[]|length and there are 1436 trusty charms, and 186 promulgated trusty charms.
[14:56] <jrwren> oh, urulama is right if using /search, but I do not like search, so I use /list ;]
[14:56] <urulama> jrwren: don't use list!
[14:56] <tvansteenburgh> urulama: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/list?series=trusty&owner=
[14:56] <urulama> list is not indexed and is not meant to be used in this cases
[14:56] <tvansteenburgh> oic
[14:56] <urulama> tvansteenburgh: don't use list
[14:57] <jrwren> urulama: but... but... :[
[14:57] <urulama> tvansteenburgh: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/search?text=&owner=&limit=100&series=trusty
[14:57] <urulama> increase the limit if you want more
[14:57] <urulama> jrwren: :) yeah. just don't :D
[14:58] <tvansteenburgh> urulama: ok, thanks
[14:58]  * urulama is going to block the list and will work with macaroons only :P
[14:58] <jrwren>  the /search is much faster.
[14:58] <urulama> jrwren: yeah. its ES (search) vs mongo collection sweep (list)
[14:59] <jrwren> urulama: yeah, i hate ES, hence my love of /list ;]
[15:09] <cholcombe> cory_fu, question for ya.  how do you properly mock open in python?    I can get it to work locally but it fails when i push it to jenkins
[15:10] <cory_fu> :)
[15:10] <cory_fu> I'm happy to help, but obviously voidspace is the expert.  :)
[15:10] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Do you have repo link?
[15:10] <cholcombe> cory_fu, sure
[15:11] <cholcombe> lemme link it up
[15:11] <cholcombe> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287500/6/unit_tests/test_replace_osd.py
[15:11] <cholcombe> cory_fu, jrwren voidspace ^^  line 101
[15:11] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: I do this
[15:11] <cory_fu> cholcombe: The most helpful bit of advice I've found is: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/patch.html#where-to-patch
[15:11] <cholcombe> i mean line 95
[15:12] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15408036/
[15:12] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: thats for both py2 and py3
[15:12] <cholcombe> marcoceppi, i'll give that a try
[15:12] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Whoa.  That seems unnecessary
[15:13] <cory_fu> marcoceppi, cholcombe: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/helpers.html#mock-open
[15:13] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: why? it's the only way I've found for `with open`
[15:13] <marcoceppi> meh
[15:13] <cholcombe> cory_fu, yeah i can't seem to get mock_open to work with patch correctly
[15:13] <jrwren> __main__, builtins, or __builtin__, that is the question.
[15:14] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Did you include the create=True?
[15:14] <cholcombe> cory_fu, i did
[15:14] <cholcombe> it's perfectly happy when i test locally.  it's jenkins that throws a wrench in it :D
[15:14] <cory_fu> cholcombe: You shouldn't be patching in __main__.  That's going to change depending on how the code is invoked
[15:15] <cory_fu> You should be patching replace_osd.open
[15:15] <cholcombe> cory_fu, yeah that's prob the issue
[15:17] <cholcombe> ugh neither replace_osd.open nor builtins.open works locally in my charmbox
[15:18] <jrwren> cholcombe: did you try __builtin__ ?
[15:18] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Can you point me to the source of replace_osd.lookup_device_name?
[15:18] <cholcombe> cory_fu, sure
[15:19] <voidspace> jrwren: cory_fu: hah, just off to pick up my daughter from school - back soon
[15:19] <cory_fu> jrwren: You always want to patch closest to where the function you're patching is called.  Patching in __builtins__ is the wrong place
[15:19] <cholcombe> cory_fu, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287500/6/actions/replace_osd.py
[15:19] <cholcombe> line 30
[15:19] <jrwren> cory_fu: nonsense.
[15:19] <jrwren> cory_fu: or rather, I strongly disagree for my use cases.
[15:20] <cory_fu> jrwren: I'm not saying it definitely won't work, but it's a bad habit to get in to and will tend to end you up in situations where your mocks don't work like you expect
[15:21] <cholcombe> i'll just comment and say the function works trust me ;) lol
[15:21] <cory_fu> jrwren: And with mocking open in particular, patching it in __builtins__ can make debugging, error reporting, and a host of other things screwy
[15:21] <jrwren> cory_fu: I don't agree, but I think I understand your concerns.
[15:22] <cory_fu> I know because I used to run in to this stuff all of the time  :)
[15:22] <cholcombe> cory_fu, i was considering changing the way my code in replace_osd is written to make it easier to patch
[15:22] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Can you give me the output of the test failure?
[15:22] <cory_fu> cholcombe: That is not a bad idea.
[15:22] <cholcombe> cory_fu, yeah it says sda == None fails
[15:23] <cholcombe> cory_fu, yeah i was thinking of calling os.open or something easier to patch
[15:26] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Perhaps a nicer way would be to split the open() call into its own method (get_disk_stats) and have lookup_device_name call that instead.  Then you don't really need to test that you can open and read a file, and you can test the logic in l_d_n by itself
[15:26] <cory_fu> And just mock get_disk_stats
[15:26] <cholcombe> cory_fu, yeah that's a method i use in rust also.
[15:26] <cholcombe> cory_fu, that sounds good to do
[15:28] <cory_fu> A slightly "better" way would be to have lookup_device_name take the disk_stats as a param, so it's truly functional, but at that point you're trading some calling convenience for a trivial mock and it's probably not worth it
[15:28] <cory_fu> But, in general, isolating your external dependencies and making all of your logic live in purely functional ... functions makes them much easier to test
[15:28] <cory_fu> And often results in cleaner, easier to use code
[15:30] <cory_fu> cholcombe: For that test failure, what is the actual "dev_name: {}" output?
[15:31] <cholcombe> cory_fu, it outputs None
[15:31] <cholcombe> so i suspect my patch failed in that case
[15:41] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Looks like mock_open() doesn't support `for line in fh`: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15408195/
[15:41] <cholcombe> cory_fu, ah wow yeah that's prob the issue
[15:42] <cholcombe> cory_fu, i changed it around so i have a function that just get diskstats and put that up for review :)
[16:25] <icey> beisner: can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/openstack-charm-testing/add-ceph-multi-az/+merge/289387
[16:31] <icey> also want to re-look at https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/openstack-charm-testing/next-ceph-osd-bundle/+merge/285890 beisner
[16:31] <icey> ?
[16:35] <beisner> icey, 1 landed, 1 reviewed :)
[16:35] <icey> beisner: yeah, going to have to redo the reviewed one from scratch :-P
[16:36] <icey> easier than modifying methinks
[16:37] <ryotagami> I have a question regarding charm review. I have a charm that currently in review, and I have an update to that charm that is not related to review items. Should I create a new branch and a bug, or can I update the currently ongoing branch and bug?
[16:38] <beisner> icey, so the az bundle that landed in o-c-t is structured for 1 machine per unit, and sets vdb for the disk, which is what we need for serverstack.   to exercise on metal, i'd set osd-devices to "/dev/sdb /dev/vdb"
[16:39] <icey> new mp coming soon ;-)
[16:40] <beisner> icey, this will be 7 physical machines.  is there anything you can do to co-locate in lxc to get us down to 4 machines?   also, will ephemeral unmount /mnt error when used on metal?
[16:41] <icey> beisner: shouldn't fail, because 'e_mountpoint and ceph.filesystem_mounted(e_mountpoint)'
[16:41] <icey> will work on wrapping up the mons
[16:51] <beisner> icey, ack thx
[16:56] <icey> beisner: https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/openstack-charm-testing/add-ceph-multi-az/+merge/289394
[16:57] <icey> beisner: alternately, can I remove the machine specifications because trhe ceph-mon associates to lxc:ceph-mon/# ?
[18:02] <cory_fu> cholcombe: https://github.com/testing-cabal/mock/pull/343
[18:02] <cory_fu> Not that it helps you now.  :)
[18:29] <wolsen> beisner: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292599/ is that ready to land you think?
[18:29] <beisner> wolsen, i do.  shall i hit the button?
[18:30] <wolsen> beisner, we're gonna have to sooner or later
[18:30] <wolsen> :)
[18:52] <thedac> narindergupta: Congrats on your OPNFV award!
[18:53] <thedac> belatedly ^^
[18:53] <narindergupta> thedac: thanks and nothing could have been done without your team.
[18:54] <narindergupta> thedac: and ward is for Canonical as I represent Canonical there.... :)
[18:54] <thedac> I suspect you had a lot to do with it
[18:55] <beisner> wolsen, ok that's ackd.  once it merges, you'll wanna rebase the other ceilometer stable update.
[18:56] <wolsen> beisner: yes indeedy thx!
[18:56] <lazyPower> bdx ping
[18:56] <beisner> wolsen, thanks for paving that path
[18:56] <wolsen> yeah big congrats narindergupta! (btw, I'll merge the m-d proposal you made a bit later today)
[18:56] <narindergupta> wolsen: thanks
[18:57] <narindergupta> thedac: :)
[19:07] <natefinch> marcoceppi: min-juju-version landed, finally.
[19:11] <lazyPower> nice
[19:11] <lazyPower> natefinch thats in metadata.yaml right?
[19:13] <natefinch> lazyPower: yep
[19:49] <tvansteenburgh> "The LXD local provider will not work on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise) and backporting to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty) is incomplete."
[19:49] <tvansteenburgh> is this still true re Trusty? ^
[19:53] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: AFAIU yes
[20:26] <marcoceppi> charm and charm-tools 2.0 are building in the devel ppa!
[20:26] <tvansteenburgh> \o/
[20:29] <lazyPower> \o/
[20:51] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: if you have a min, could you take a look at this today? https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/137 if not tomorrow morning would be great
[20:51] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: esp since we will ahve "plugins" show up in the help output of charm 2.0 by default
[20:51] <tvansteenburgh> marcoceppi: will do
[21:00] <axino> cory_fu: but python-virualenv doesn't provide virtualenv anymore, apparently
[21:01] <axino> t*
[21:01] <cory_fu> axino: o_O
[21:02] <cory_fu> That doesn't make any sense
[21:03] <cory_fu> axino: Oh, you're saying they changed it to just "virtualenv"  Hrm
[21:03] <axino> cory_fu: yeah
[21:04] <cory_fu> axino: I thought I saw python-virtualenv referenced in your output, though
[21:06] <axino> (also, I think we need python3-virtualenv - which is pulled by the "virtualenv" package on xenial)
[21:07] <cory_fu> axino: Line 83 from your previous link: https://pastebin.canonical.com/151985/
[21:07] <cory_fu> 2016-03-16 07:52:24 INFO install The following NEW packages will be installed:
[21:07] <cory_fu> 2016-03-16 07:52:24 INFO install   python-virtualenv python3-virtualenv virtualenv
[21:07] <axino> yeah, on that specific unit, the package got pulled
[21:07] <axino> but not on another unit
[21:08] <cory_fu> I don't understand.  Why would it be different?
[21:09] <axino> I do not know
[21:10] <axino> https://pastebin.canonical.com/152206/
[21:11] <axino> looks like python-virtualenv does pull virtualenv. Ugh. I'm not sure what happened yesterday


[12:22] <hypercube> hi guys
[12:24] <hypercube> someone please describes the phonetic this: "Caireen"with Irish accent. THX
[12:37] <ebel> hypercube: car-een ?
[12:37] <ebel> haven't heard that name/word before
[12:38] <hypercube> caireen is a Irish godless
[12:39] <hypercube> i'm hungarian :P
[12:42] <hypercube> ka:i:n?
[12:45] <hypercube> ohh goddess, not godless D


[00:21] <Guest9658> Hello anyone there?
 Sz31
 Vql9
[01:43] <tazu332> Hello anyone there?
[01:44] <guiverc> tazu332, ask your Kubuntu support question, please will respond as they're able to (most are doing other things & check here only occasionally when they've some time)
[01:45] <schatten-nacht> @tazu332 Oh yes, I need help with regard to the Haeder Files where do GNU/Linux .h<- have to be stored? 🖐🏻
[01:45] <guiverc> what release of Kubuntu ?
[01:45] <schatten-nacht> Yes I have an Kubuntu is right.
[01:46] <guiverc> I asked what release.
[01:47] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc But the distribution shouldn't matter as far as the Haeder files are concerned and yes with UNIX there are a few exceptions. 🖐🏻
[01:48] <tazu332> is my kubuntuu hacked or remote connectioned or kleylogged? because when it goes idle then the screen goes black but then it all of the sudden comes back to light as if someone is doing something to the computer remotely?
[01:49] <tazu332> or something*
[01:49] <guiverc> an example of packages in a lunar linux-headers can be seen here - https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/all/linux-headers-6.2.0-20/filelist
[01:51] <schatten-nacht> @tazu332 Do you have Lockscreen Password active? -> https://linuxconfig.org/lock-screen-on-local-or-remote-linux-kde4-system-from-command-line
[01:53] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc No, I do NOT mean the Linux kernel headers. I mean because he's doing something here ->https://users.pja.edu.pl/~jms/qnx/help/watcom/clibref/headers.html
[01:57] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc Because it's about the USB TYP-C.h Haeder library, I can't find it in the /usr//include/sys directory? 🖐🏻
[02:02] <guiverc> with compilers each compiler can have its own method/config or directives (way to add additional paths); let alone -I and like options, but sorry I'm not a dev thus not ideal to advise.  By default a Kubuntu/Ubuntu system doesn't have those -devel packages installed meaning none are expected to be available unless installed by user/owner
[02:03] <guiverc> (default install is binaries only)
[02:05] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc First of all, many thanks for the info on how to link the compiler paths, but I don't know where the headers have to go. 🖐🏻
[02:12] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc It is not about a binary file but about the functions in the header of the USB TYP-C.h these are nowhere in my Kubuntu distro although the basic functions are already implemented in the Linux kernel. -https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/linux/usb/typec.h  🖐🏻
[02:13] <guiverc> A Kubuntu install is geared for end-users, thus as I said it'll contain only binaries as executed by the users. You can add the code if required, but its not there by default was my purpose.
[02:14] <guiverc> s/purpose/point ^
[02:17] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc That doesn't help me with my problem where the header files have to be so that I can pass them through to the controller via terminal and the PIP command, so where do the header files have to be in /dev, /sys or /usr?
[02:19] <guiverc> I've done nothign like that with USB & aren't a developer as I've said before.  The link you gave me related to compilation; i've always told the compiler where my .h files are as they're on shared servers (not local)
[02:24] <schatten-nacht> @guiver The web link I posted was just an example of USB TYPE-C as far as the header libraries are concerned, I'll take care of the functions I just wanted to know where the header library has to be stored so that I can load it into the Linux kernel when I need it, nothing more.
[02:39] <schatten-nacht> @guiverc Anyway, thanks for the info on your part.
[04:00] <andrus> hello
[07:37] <fdanny> Bonjour , je souhaite passer de windows XP à linux mais je ne connais pas du tout la demarche...
[07:43] <oerheks> !fr
 Can i install Kubuntu without USB or CD
[08:51] <oerheks> no
 Ohh That's why it’s failed to install  with Universal USB Installer <IP_ADDRESS> using hard drive
[08:54] <oerheks> jups, one needs grub installed, to do an alternative install, like putting the iso on hdd and boot grub into that
 I am using Kubuntu 23.04 on HP Pavilion laptop.
 Everything is working fine except one problem at login screen.
 I am not able to type a password for the first few seconds(around 10 seconds). Nothing gets typed in the input box of password at the login screen. After a few seconds the input box start taking input.
 I am facing this in both X11 and Wayland.
 How can I trubleshhot and fix this bihaviour?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:03] <mparillo> Do you have a secondary monitor plugged into your HP? In my case, I do not always get the dots representing my input. but when I hit enter, I log in anyway.
 milesdredd@milesdredd-k-notebook:~$ gnome-disks
 (gnome-disks:25081): Handy-WARNING **: 18:41:37.897: Using GtkSettings:gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme together with HdyStyleManager is unsupported. Please use HdyStyleManager:color-scheme instead.
 (gnome-disks:25081): Gtk-WARNING **: 18:41:38.686: Could not load a pixbuf from icon theme.
 This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be found.
 **
 Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load /home/milesdredd/.local/share/icons/Win11-black-dark/status/32/image-missing.svg: Error opening file /home/milesdredd/.local/share/icons/Win11-black-dark/status/32/image-missing.svg: No such file or directory (g-io-error-quark, 1)
 Hello everyone, do you think that switching from Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and update it to 23.04 version that uses Plasma 5.27 stable it is a good thing for LTS users?
[14:39] <mybalzitch> well you'd no longer be an LTS user
[14:46] <oerheks> +1
[14:46] <oerheks> stay on stable, but if you have a reason to want 5.27, go for it
[14:47] <oerheks> kernel 6.2 and such
 thank you
[15:47] <mparillo> Plus Wayland seems just smoother of 5.27
 this version has a lot of improvements from 5.24, thats why i want that version of kde plasma, if there was a way to force the upgrade of the de in kubuntu lts, it would be great
[15:58] <oerheks> No, LTS stays on 5.24
 yeah i understand
[16:07] <user|97> what are the system requirements
[16:08] <user|97> uhhhhhhh. hello?
 We have 5.27 backported in our experimental PPA, but using that on jammy would be completely at your risk (re @doc_087: this version has a lot of improvements from 5.24, thats why i want that version of kde plasma, if there was a way to force the upgrade of the de in kubuntu lts, it would be great)
 The Kubuntu Focus people have tested and haven't had much issue
[16:21] <user|26> Hello! I installed the lts on my dell precision 7510 runing win10, and booting witb the dell bootloader, and it doesn't show up in the boot process, what settings needs to be changed in the bios to make the linux bootable
 are you talking to me? (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|97> what are the system requirements)
[16:22] <user|26> It's a bios issue
[16:22] <user|26> Setting up multiboot
 oh that's sounds good, if not risky i can try that, but if i encounter something bad can i revert to 5.24? (re @RikMills: The Kubuntu Focus people have tested and haven't had much issue)
 oh that's sounds good, if its not very risky i can try that, but if i encounter something bad can i revert to 5.24? (re @RikMills: The Kubuntu Focus people have tested and haven't had much issue)
 you would need to use ppa-purge to downgrade all the packages to 5.24 and remove the ppa (re @doc_087: oh that's sounds good, if its not very risky i can try that, but if i encounter something bad can i revert to 5.24?)
 https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/ppa-purge.1.html
 the ppa would also break upgrades to kinetic/lunar so you would need to do that prior to upgrade if you did decide on that at some point
 ok i will try, thank you
[16:35] <floown> Hi. I have this message: *** Livepatch has fixed kernel vulnerabilities. System restart recommended on the closest maintenance window ***
[16:35] <floown> I have restart the server, but the message still here
[16:37] <floown> update / upgrade before, sure
[16:48] <floown> The same bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-livepatch-client/+bug/2028377
[16:48] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 2028377 in Canonical Livepatch Client "Unexpected warning message:- *** Livepatch has fixed kernel vulnerabilities. System restart recommended on the closest maintenance window ***" [Medium, Triaged]
[19:18] <oerheks> floown, what is the output of canonical-livepatch status ?
[19:19] <oerheks> i bet you are up2date, see #3 in that bugreport
 Im using 22.04.2 and keep having this issue where the media controls on my keyboard just stop working
 it seems to fix it self for a few minutes after restarting but continuously just stops working eventually
 kubuntu recognizes me presses the buttons but doesnt skip songs or pause them etc
 kubuntu recognizes me pressing the buttons but doesnt skip songs or pause them etc
[22:56] <AssTractionHero> topic
[22:56] <AssTractionHero> Whoopty.


[00:45] <desrt> jhansonxi: it's not possible to do keyfile-based settings per-user
[01:15] <jhansonxi> desrt: Annoying.  It was possible with gconf and gconf-tool.
[01:21] <smspillaz> desrt: of course :)
[01:22] <smspillaz> desrt: I guess the larger issue here is that gobject is an API that favors stealing :)
[02:28] <desrt> jhansonxi: if you want to talk about gconf-tool and keyfiles, the dconf commandline tool also supports loading from keyfiles
[02:28] <desrt> jhansonxi: i was under the impression that you were looking for a just-drop-a-file solution (where the file in question is not a shellscript named ".profile")
[02:35] <jhansonxi> desrt: I was just looking for an existing implementation.  I'll examine dconf.  Would be helpful if dconf had a man page (bug #950154).
[02:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 950154 in d-conf "dconf-tools package provides no help, no manpage, no icon for dconf-editor menu item" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950154
[02:35] <desrt> ubot2: matthias clasen wrote a manpage recently and i plan on merging it this evening
[02:35] <ubot2> desrt: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[02:35] <desrt> erm.  jhansonxi, i mean :)
[06:49] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <jasoncwarner_> morning didrocks
[07:05] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner_
[07:05] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks & popey...are we going to get a unity release today?
[07:05] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: not today, but they are doing it this week (freeze today)
[07:06] <didrocks> apparently, PS already planned for feature freeze exception (a lot)
[07:06] <didrocks> I asked popey to come with a wiki page about them
[07:06] <didrocks> planned release date
[07:06] <didrocks> risk
[07:06] <didrocks> and so on
[07:06] <didrocks> didn't get the answers on that yet
[07:07] <didrocks> I warned PS once again that FFE are *exceptions* and they are not granted to get one
[07:15] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: sorry, lost my connection there for a second
[07:15] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: thanks...let me know when you get the wiki page.
[07:16] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: I'll keep you posted
[07:17] <didrocks> grrr, why my external monitor isn't recognized at its native resolution
[07:17] <didrocks> let me reboot
[07:21] <didrocks> I think I'll need a xorg guy
[07:26] <didrocks> ah finally got it :)
[08:10] <Laney> morning
[08:10] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:11] <Laney> hey didrocks, how are you?
[08:15] <didrocks> Laney: I'm fine, thanks, yourself?
[08:16] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:16] <seb128> hey Laney, didrocks
[08:16] <Laney> yeah great thanks - was away for most of last week doing some volunteering, which involved sleeping in a hammock
[08:16] <Laney> the bed was good last night ;-)
[08:17] <jasoncwarner_> hey Laney, hey seb128 happy monday!
[08:17] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, hey, happy monday evening! ;-)
[08:17] <jasoncwarner_> sure is!
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, hehe, I can imagine ... did you have good weather?
[08:18] <Laney> those crazy future people!
[08:18] <Laney> seb128: mixed, but mostly good yeah
[08:18] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:18] <Laney> we were taking tents down, so the rain was annoying there
[08:19] <Laney> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/539108_10151971665345643_396612420_n.jpg for example :-)
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:20] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, what about yourself? did you manage to get any sleep?
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i had a fairly busy weekend. but jo is going to visit her parents today with ruby and maisie, and staying overnight. which means - sleep!! :-)
[08:24] <didrocks> heh, good! try to enjoy it as much as possible :)
[08:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. how are you?
[08:42] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:52] <Laney> oh cool, we got new dbus!
[08:53] <mlankhorst> hahaahha
[08:53] <mlankhorst> If you are reading this book and flipping out at every third sentence because you feel I'm insulting your intelligence, then I have three points of advice for you:
[08:53] <mlankhorst>     Stop reading my book. I didn't write it for you. I wrote it for people who don't already know everything.
[08:53] <mlankhorst>     Empty before you fill. You will have a hard time learning from someone with more knowledge if you already know everything.
[08:53] <mlankhorst>     Go learn Lisp. I hear people who know everything really like Lisp.
[08:53] <mlankhorst> :D
[09:17] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: popey is out this week, so I guess we'll have to wait one additional week to get the list of features that are yet to come
[13:06] <cyphermox> morning
[13:06] <kenvandine> good morning cyphermox
[13:06] <cyphermox> hey kenvandine, how are you?
[13:06] <kenvandine> good
[13:06] <kenvandine> and you?
[13:08] <seiflotfy> what is robs name?
[13:08] <cyphermox> not bad
[13:08] <seiflotfy> rob ancell
[13:09] <larsu> seiflotfy, robert_ancell, but I think he's on vacation this week
[13:10] <seiflotfy> hi larsu
[13:10] <larsu> hi :)
[13:16] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[13:20] <seb128> seiflotfy, what larsu said, he's robert_ancell and he's off this week
[13:20] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hey
[13:20] <bcurtiswx> hi seb128
[13:20] <seiflotfy> ok where is thumper
[13:20] <bcurtiswx> how was GUADEC
[13:20] <seb128> very good
[13:20] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, probably sleeping
[13:20] <seb128> seiflotfy, sleeping I guess, it's past midnight in NZ
[13:21] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:21] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:21] <seb128> kenvandine, how are you?
[13:21] <kenvandine> seb128, i have 2 more packages coming your way!
[13:21] <kenvandine> great
[13:21] <kenvandine> and you?
[13:21] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[13:21] <bcurtiswx> hey kenvandine, i saw a guy at friendly's yesterday that looks a lot like you. Small world dude..
[13:21] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:22] <kenvandine> i have been told that quite a few times...
[13:22] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: the first human cloning success story.
[13:25] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, and what a fine specimen for the first success
[13:26] <bcurtiswx> don't get too ahead of yourself now... ;)
[15:23] <seb128> mterry, hey
[15:23] <mterry> seb128, hi
[15:24] <seb128> didrocks, mterry, cyphermox: do you have experience making "make check" run under xfvb,dbus-launch?
[15:24] <seb128> do you have anything better than "making a wrapper script and calling that"?
[15:24] <cyphermox> seb128: in NM I run it in dbus-test-runner IIRC
[15:24] <seb128> not sure why "xvfb-run make check" doesn't work
[15:25] <mterry> seb128, yeah that usually works fine for me
[15:25] <mterry> seb128, what kind of errors?
[15:25] <cyphermox> seb128: in NM; I use override_dh_auto_test:\n\tdbus-test-runner -t dh_auto_test
[15:26] <didrocks> seb128: dbus-test-runner is wrapping this up for you normally
[15:26] <seb128> mterry, cyphermox: it still complains it can't find X11, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1132510/
[15:26] <cyphermox> ah yes
[15:27] <mterry> seb128, with xvfb-run?  Something must be stripping the env
[15:27] <seb128> mterry, I did
[15:27] <seb128> override_dh_auto_test:
[15:28] <seb128>     xfvb-run make test
[15:28] <seb128>
[15:28] <seb128> but maybe that's not a good way to do it
[15:28] <cyphermox> that should be working fine though
[15:28] <didrocks> indeed, this should work
[15:28] <seb128> that's libsecret from quantal
[15:29] <cyphermox> seb128: try dbus-test-runner -t make -p check in override_dh_auto_test :) sorry for being so insistent, but I know this works; though it adds a build-dep.
[15:32] <kenvandine> that's handy
[15:34] <seb128> cyphermox, hum, test fails and no useful output
[15:35] <cyphermox> wow
[15:35] <cyphermox> seb128: you mean the test or running the test?
[15:36] <seb128> task-0:   /value/to-password:                                                  FAIL
[15:36] <seb128> task-0: GTester: last random seed: R02S322e69ce258b9d35eb7bd3fb9aa01bd2
[15:36] <seb128> but it seems to eat stdout or stderr
[15:36] <seb128> so I don't know what the issue
[15:37] <seb128> oh, that was a real bug, with that one fixed I get
[15:37] <seb128> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[15:37] <seb128> ERROR:test-prompt.c:47:setup: assertion failed (error == NULL): Error sending credentials: Error sending message: Operation not permitted (g-io-error-quark, 14)
[15:37] <seb128> task-0:   /prompt/run:                                                         FAIL
[15:42] <cyphermox> weird. i didn't expect there would be any kind of security policy there, unless it's set after by make check somehow
[15:50] <seb128> dunno, running it manually works
[15:54] <cyphermox> seb128: does it use the system or session bus?
[15:54] <seb128> cyphermox, session
[15:55] <seb128> libsecret/tests/mock/service.py", line 480, in __init__
[15:55] <seb128>     bus = dbus.SessionBus()
[15:55] <cyphermox> no idea.. so far that has been a great way to test things that required dbus
[15:55] <cyphermox> I'm using it in the eds autopkgtest as well
[15:55] <cyphermox> speaking of EDS... another soname change :)
[15:56] <cyphermox> I'm updating eds to 3.5.5 so that evolution-ews can be taken off the nbs list as well
[19:53] <kenvandine> mterry, new MIR whenever you have a chance to look, bug 1033614
[19:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1033614 in libunity-webapps "[MIR] libunity-webapps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033614
[19:53] <kenvandine> tests run and all :)
[19:53] <mterry> kenvandine, yay  :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> now i need to go back and fix more of the online-accounts ones :)
[19:57] <seb128> ok, I give up on running tests during the build
[19:57] <seb128> that's harder than it should be
[19:57] <seb128> I will wait for pitti to be back from holidays
[19:59] <kenvandine> seb128, i know!
[20:00] <kenvandine> signond is going to suck
[20:00] <kenvandine> which is why i wanted to wait for mardy to get back and rewrite some of the test stuff
[20:29] <kenvandine> mterry, libaccounts-qt tests enabled
[20:29] <mterry> ok
[20:30] <seb128> *whining*
[20:30] <seb128> why other manage to enable their tests :p
[20:30] <kenvandine> seb128, so what is the latest failure you're getting?
[20:32] <seb128> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1133193/
[20:32] <seb128> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
[20:32] <seb128> "ERROR:test-prompt.c:47:setup: assertion failed (error == NULL): Error sending credentials: Error sending message: Operation not permitted"
[20:33] <kenvandine> seb128, i haven't seen that before
[20:35] <seb128> it's weird, the call that fails is "bus = dbus.SessionBus()"
[20:38] <seb128> it happens when running make check under fakeroot


[00:31] <burner> what's the word on nvidia drivers?  the -nv drivers work, but they're a bit sloppy...  i notice nouveau is currently not apt-gettable either
[01:43] <sisto> good night
[01:43] <sisto> does anyone know if speeding up the startup is still a priority for jaunty?
[01:52] <loic-m> it was still a priority last week at uds
[02:14] <sisto> nice
[02:14] <sisto> can't wait to try jaunty :D
[02:15] <sisto> there's still 4 month and a half left though :(
[02:15] <sisto> but that's lots of time to make it even better :D
[02:25] <maco> when can we expect alpha 2?
[02:44] <charlie-tca> maco: soon as qa gets it tested
[02:45] <maco> charlie-tca: the iso or the installed version?
[02:46] <maco> i have a broken cd drive, so i cant test anything bigger than a net install (cd drive breaks at about 100mb)
[02:47] <charlie-tca> Huh? At least the iso. It was due out today.
[02:47] <charlie-tca> I don´t know if there will be a net install, but I think so.
[02:49] <maco> well the X packages are still busted right?
[02:49] <charlie-tca> busted how? I have not had any issues with the alternate installs
[02:53] <crimsun> charlie-tca: proprietary drivers
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I think still busted
[02:54] <crimsun> I know for a fact that both are still busted
[02:54] <charlie-tca> The push is to get the iso out, then try to get that fixed
[02:55] <crimsun> understood, and those of us who understand the breakage understand that it's not as simple as simply changing the provides in debian/control
[02:55] <maco> charlie-tca: what about dist-upgrades for people who dont use proprietary drivers? those likely to work?
[02:56] <charlie-tca> I don´t know. I haven´t done anything with them yet
[02:56] <crimsun> maco: yes, unless you use the vmmouse driver
[02:56] <maco> i dont currently have any vm's going
[02:56] <crimsun> maco: then again, that driver was removed from xorg's -input-all, so you should be fine
[02:56] <maco> is vmmouse for specific virtuailizaton software?
[02:56] <maco> oh ok
[02:56] <charlie-tca> thanks, crimsun
[04:56] <tretle> hi anyone awake?
[05:09] <burner> sure
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: ping
[08:31] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: pong
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> do you remember https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/308985 ?
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> that we were talking to gnomefreak a few day?
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> its getting horse...
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> now the pineentry never gets send to foreground
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> its always stuck in the background....
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> humm now that I think of it, I think it's a bug with Compiz
[08:33] <BUGabundo_work> (yeah I'm crazy like that, I run compiz with a broken nvidia driver, and screen never refreshs properly)
[08:33] <Hew> hehe
[08:33] <BUGabundo_work> should I file it against compiz and pine entry?
[08:34]  * BUGabundo_work tests with compiz off
[08:34] <Hew> if it happens with Compiz but not Metacity, then yes report it as Yet Another Compiz bug :P
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> LOL YACB
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> Confirmed
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> Compiz bug with the pine entry pop up
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> filing now
[08:40] <BUGabundo_work> bah.. apport-cli 87% network problem
[08:40] <BUGabundo_work> again...
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: is it working for you?
[08:48] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: FYI bug 309622
[09:35] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Sorry was afk. I haven't used apport in a while so I'm not sure.
[09:36] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: For Compiz bugs I always try and disable as many plugins using ccsm to see if one of them makes the issue disappear
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> I'll try that latter
[09:37] <Hew> ok
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: would never have guessed you'r from Down Under!
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> motherfuckers!
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> you cant trust the ubuntu people
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> they say they gonna release alpha2 on dec18, but then they dont!!
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> its dec 19 now!! where is alpha 2
[10:59] <bazhang> smallfoot-__, dont curse
[11:00] <smallfoot-__> ok ry
[11:00] <smallfoot-__> sry
[11:01] <smallfoot-__> i love ubuntu servers
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> im downloading daily-live .iso in 11.0 mbyte/s
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> i downloaded 692 megabyte in 25 seconds
[11:02] <ikonia> smallfoot-__: do you have a discussion/question regarding ubuntu 9.04 ?
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> i didnt find alpha 2, so i downloaded live cd
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> i gonna run it in virtualbox now
[11:02] <ikonia> smallfoot-__: do you have a discussion/question regarding ubuntu 9.04 ?
[11:03] <smallfoot-__> hmm... i think im gonna leave now
[11:03] <smallfoot-__> bye
[11:08] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Why wouldn't you have guessed? :P
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> I don't know... not that a common name
[11:17] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Yea it's Welsh, I've never met anyone with the same name/spelling.
[11:18] <Hew> I thought perhaps you wouldn't have guessed because I'm up at crazy non-Australian hours :P
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> there are crazy people all around
[11:34] <BUGabundo_work> maco stays up until 7/8am... how would guess that
[17:01] <thefish> hello, are the alpha-2 cd images still being uploaded?
[17:01] <Pici> thefish: They are still being tested.
[17:02] <thefish> ok cheers Pici
[17:02] <thefish> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[17:02] <thefish> that says where to download them from
[17:02] <thefish> all links from that are dead
[17:02] <thefish> other pages also link to the cdimage server for alpha-2
[17:03] <Pici> thefish: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[17:03] <thefish> cheers Pici, i guess this is very similar to the dailies
[17:04] <thefish> are they supposed to be released today?
[17:06] <Pici> thefish: The timeline actually says yesterday, but I haven't been following the QA process for the images so I'm not sure what exactly is going on.
[17:08] <thefish> ah it will probably be soon
[17:08] <thefish> was wondering about editing those pages
[17:08] <thefish> but as i press save, they will become available
[17:20] <BUGabundo_work> thefish: why not !daily ?
[17:20] <BUGabundo_work> !daily
[17:21] <thefish> BUGabundo_work: because the wiki pages dont point to them
[17:21] <thefish> i downloaded a daily after i saw alpha2 wasnt there :)
[17:21] <BUGabundo_work> okay
[17:22] <BUGabundo_work> have a nice weekend
[20:30] <tretle> I read somewhere that packagekit would be the default for kubuntu jaunty, will it be the default for ubuntu jaunty too?
[20:40] <tretle> http://web.mornfall.net/blog/farewell__44___adept.html
[20:40] <tretle> this is where i got the info
[20:43] <x1250> does anyone else has problems with gnome-settings-daemon? It does not run. Version is 2.25.2-0ubuntu3.
[20:43] <x1250> I'm sticked with a default gnome look.
[20:43] <_Zeus_> Hi, I'm running Jaunty, and for some reason I can't install nvidia-glx-* without removing xserver-xorg and derivitaves
[20:46] <x1250> _Zeus_, apt-get or aptitude should say why?
[20:47] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88740/
[20:53] <x1250> apt-get user?
[20:53] <x1250> what does aptitude say?
[20:54] <x1250> did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade before?
[20:56] <_Zeus_> x1250: what do you mean user?
[20:56] <x1250> if you use apt-get to upgrade jaunty
[20:56] <_Zeus_> i did do dist-upgrade
[20:57] <_Zeus_> yes, i think so
[21:02] <x1250> _Zeus_, X is broken, there are some dependency problems in the repo right now.  Does this happen if you install another package (not the nvidia one)?
[21:03] <_Zeus_> nope
[21:06] <x1250> _Zeus_, this may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011847
[21:06] <x1250> it seems to be related at least
[22:00] <pupolupilous> any clue on when alpha2 will be available?
[22:02] <SwedeMike> you mean outside of what the release schedule says?
[22:03] <SwedeMike> oh, it was supposed to be released yesterday.
[22:04] <Volkodav> anybody tried xfce 4.6 beta 2 yet ?
[22:05] <DrHalan> hey, hows alpha 2 you guys? :)
[22:06] <_Zeus_> is it out yet?
[22:07] <DrHalan> ah damn dec 20th right?
[22:07] <DrHalan> so hows jaunty in general i didn't have the opportunity yet to check it out
[22:17] <pupolupilous> and poof, alpha2 becomes available
[22:21] <DrHalan> pupolupilous: pardon me?
[22:24] <pupolupilous> i was attempting to download 9.04 alpha2 , but it wasn't available yet, and then soon enough it showed up
[22:26] <_Zeus_> DrHalan: Jaunty is fairly stable
[22:26] <_Zeus_> *knock on wood*
[22:28] <DrHalan> :P
[22:28] <DrHalan> well it is just debian import atm i guess isn't it _Zeus_?
[22:29] <_Zeus_> pretty much, yes, but that can get pretty hairy in itself
[22:50] <DrHalan> yeah sure cause it is from unstable
[23:23] <andersk> When I switch to virtual console 1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1, what might be causing an immediate switch back to virtual console 7?
[23:25] <genii> andersk: No valid shells... you may not have 7 vt ...
[23:26] <andersk> It only happens sometimes.  If I switch to console 1 twice, it almost always sticks the second time.
[23:29] <genii> Same thing with 2 thru 6 as well?
[23:30] <andersk> I haven't tried.  I'll get back to you on that.
[23:31] <andersk> Yes.  I just reproduced it with 7 -> 2.
[23:54] <DanaG> andersk: Happens to me too.
[23:54] <DanaG> And then if I hit ctrl-c.... the X server ITSELF gets the SIGINT... and quits.
[23:55] <crimsun> consolekit.
[23:56] <andersk> Ah.  This is bug 271962.  Thanks.
[23:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I did figure out why I kept getting fglrx hanging with "ASIC hang happened" -- my GPU is defective.
[23:59] <DanaG> I'm sending the laptop in to HP to get it fixed.


[13:08] <zequence> OvenWerks: i was just looking at what I had done a few months back ago for controls, and that was mostly about learning how to use appindicator, controlling jack through dbus, GTK.. nothing production ready
[13:08] <zequence> But, that's for later anyway
[13:08] <zequence> Let me see if I can find that old stuff on realtime administration I was talking about too
[13:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: Here's a script I found googling. I changed some var names only. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7663703/
[13:29] <zequence> It lists "normal" users
[13:29] <zequence> One could of course rewrite it for python
[13:32] <zequence> It looks at two things, UID, compared to min and max settings, and if the user can login
[13:39] <zequence> let me start a new branch for a complete rewrite, and I'll add some stuff there under a folder "resources"
[14:05] <zequence> bzr at launchpad seems to be down, at least I can't do anything with it
[14:07] <zequence> So, another hour well spent..


[15:10] <tracker9> z
[17:08] <knome> bluesabre, could you probably do something about the "oversized" xubuntu images or is it something that's caused by something in ubuntu?
[17:09] <knome> (if not else, simply make our target size bigger...)
[17:55] <flocculant> knome: iirc a cycle or two ago the allowed size of our image (and pretty much everyone else's) were reset to stop those warnings
[17:56] <flocculant> slangasek sorted them after a mail to the u-dev list and response I think
[17:57] <flocculant> can't check - all those e-mails have been archived to the delete folder here now ...
[19:19] <bluesabre> knome, I think I saw something about the fonts doubling in size again, pushing us over the target
[19:21] <bluesabre> ofc, we also brough back gimp and added lo impress, so maybe we just need to increase the target


[09:39] <RoyK> hm... bug 1189567 is confirmed by an xfs developer in #xfs for the version that comes with 12.04. can someone please look into it? a major filesystem should be repairable :P
[09:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1189567 in xfsprogs (Ubuntu) "xfs_repair fails to repair filesystem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189567
[21:26] <RoyK> bug 1189567
[21:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1189567 in xfsprogs (Ubuntu) "xfs_repair fails to repair filesystem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189567
[21:26] <RoyK> anyone that knows how to get this fixed?
[23:59] <hggdh> RoyK: have you tried talking about it in #ubuntu-devel? (I have no clue on xfs in any form)


[12:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[17:47] <vsteel_> Has anyone has issues installing 20.10?  clean install, desktop machine, with Nivida grafics.
[17:48] <vsteel_> Installer is crashing for me on the hardware setup stage.
[17:58] <vsteel_> July 7th nightly build.
[17:58] <vsteel_> July 2nd I mean.
 Install working fine here on both laptop and desktop.
[21:21] <vsteel_> New information.  I have tracked it down that I HAVE to have an EFI partition even though I was trying to install with legacy.  I created an EFI partition and then it did go a lot further but then messed up when it was trying to finally write the grub.
[21:24] <vsteel_> my main stable OS drive is on a M.2 drive on the motherboard, I tried having it write the grub and everything on my extra drive which was containing the EFI, EXT4 partition and my swap.
[21:25] <vsteel_> The extra drive is a SATA drive.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1885414
 probably that
 @DarinMiller, EFI I assume?
 Yes, EFI boot here...
 Think it is just legacy that is borked ATM
[22:06] <vsteel_> I believe that is the bug I am running into.
[22:23] <RikMills> unfortunate timing :(
[22:25] <RikMills> I was hoping for a fixed ubiquity today, but it is still waiting in the merge request approval
[22:25] <RikMills> *on the
[22:29] <vsteel_> well if nothing else I verified a bug. :)


[02:07] <Guest94141> ok
[04:14] <jesse__> Hi
[04:15] <jesse__> Anyone there?
[04:24] <jesse__> Hello
[04:25] <jticket> Hello.
[07:44] <Guest68595> Should I disable secure boot in order to install ubuntu
[07:45] <ObrienDave> i think so, can't remember exactly
[07:46] <Guest68595> And has onyone install on an XPS 13?
[07:46] <ObrienDave> try asking in #ubuntu
[07:47] <Guest68595> installing mate but I'll try that
[07:48] <ObrienDave> that question can be answered in #ubuntu. whis channel is more Mate specific :)
[07:48] <ObrienDave> *this
[07:48] <Guest68595> okay thanks
[07:55] <r4y> I am afraid to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but I need to know what the source list should be. I am running Linux Mint 17.2 Mate Desktop Environment 1.10.2
[07:56] <r4y> 	I know where to save it and will not need help changing it. I just want the right list
[08:27] <DerRaiden> r4y: why do you need the source list
[08:28] <r4y> I am looking to the right way to go about doing this
[08:28] <r4y> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&p=14721587
[08:28] <r4y> jump to the bottom of that page
[08:29] <r4y> I am currently reading this link:
[08:29] <r4y> v
[08:29] <r4y> http://www.2daygeek.com/upgrade-linux-mint-17-3-to-linux-mint-18/#
[08:30] <ObrienDave> better to ask in the mint channel on irc.spotchat.org
[08:31] <r4y> Unable to locate package mintupgrade
[08:31] <r4y> I am on the linuxmint channel of freenode as well
[08:32] <ObrienDave> the spotchat channel is the official mint channel
[08:32] <r4y> I figured I might as well make sure to check here as well considering that this is both mate and Linux Mint
[08:32] <ObrienDave> no.... this is Ubuntu Mate. a different animal :)
[08:33] <r4y> I get it now, so now although Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu you have informed me that it is too different
[08:35] <ObrienDave> yes, unfortunately, different distros add too much of their own stuff to be considered identical cores
[09:58] <x2xx3x> I'm on 14.04-mate using marco. i have got a problem with dual monitors. when i switch a video to fullscreen on monitor 2 it changes the screen to monitor 1. I have had a solution for that but cant find it within my local irc-logs. So i am not sure if this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43755/how-to-select-in-what-monitor-youtube-fullscreens was the solution.
[10:02] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: can you give us the paste of xrandr in terminal using paste.ubuntu.com?
[10:04] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: and how you setup the monitors?
[10:04] <x2xx3x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23571876/
[10:04] <pavlushka> I mean in which order in settings?
[10:05] <x2xx3x> order?
[10:06] <x2xx3x> i have got a big one - thats monitor1 (primary monitor) and a smaller one which is right of
[10:07] <x2xx3x> but is shown up as absolute within the x-config-file
[10:09] <x2xx3x> both monitors did not show the same content - monitor 2 is an extension of monitor 1, so it is one big desktop
[10:09] <x2xx3x> is this what u wanted to know?
[10:17] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: yep
[10:18] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: and the web browser you use?
[10:18] <x2xx3x> firefox 50.02
[10:19] <x2xx3x> html5 player did not change screens. so its a flash-thing i guess...
[10:25] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: already tried the second solution of your mentioned askubuntu link?
[10:27] <x2xx3x> ali1234/fullscreenhack ?
[10:29] <pavlushka> yep
[10:29] <ali1234> hey what?
[10:29] <ali1234> i haven't touched that program in like 4 years so it might not work any more
[10:30] <pavlushka> ali1234: oh my
[10:30] <x2xx3x> oh - he is here??
[10:30] <x2xx3x> wtf!!!
[10:30] <x2xx3x> hi
[10:30] <ali1234> yes... im here...
[10:32] <ali1234> yes fullscreenhack will only work with flash
[10:32] <ali1234> the html5 player does not seem to have any problem staying on the right screen for me
[10:33] <x2xx3x> i tried it out now... do i need a reboot? it did not work for me now.
[10:33] <ali1234> you don't need to reboot ut you do need to restart firefox
[10:34] <x2xx3x> i did, but does still not work
[10:35] <ali1234> "With NPAPI the Flash fullscreen window opens on the monitor where the Flash plugin was first opened"
[10:35] <x2xx3x> fullscreen still pops out of the player and opens on primary monitor
[10:35] <ali1234> i remember this now
[10:35] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: another method described here, a bit hard lined, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-multi-monitor-tweaks-full-screen.html
[10:36] <ali1234> x2xx3x: try closing firefox and then starting it. move the firefox window to second monitor before loading a video page, and then go fullscreen
[10:37] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: to revert if the flash stops working after that hack, just reinstall the flash.
[10:39] <x2xx3x> restarting, moving and then go fullscreen also does not work on my machine. hmmmmm
[10:39] <ali1234> note that fullscreenhack doesn't attempt to change which monitor it goes fullscreen on
[10:40] <ali1234> it fixes the bad letterboxing
[10:41] <x2xx3x> aha - so fullscreenhack will have no effect for wrong display shown up flash-vids
[10:42] <x2xx3x> ?
[10:42] <ali1234> it shouldn't do
[10:42] <x2xx3x> what means bad letterboxing?
[10:42] <ali1234> letterboxing all around the video
[10:43] <ali1234> like double letterboxing
[10:43] <ali1234> so video looks like this http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/fullscreenhack/.images/flash-fullscreen-1.jpg
[10:43] <x2xx3x> oh
[10:43] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: tried this, "sudo sed -i 's/_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW/_AET_ACTIVE_WINDOW/g' /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so" ?
[10:43] <x2xx3x> no that was not my problem :)
[10:46] <x2xx3x> pavalushka: i did now try out the sed... also with no effect
[10:47] <x2xx3x> i got an update... i wants me to reboot. i will be back on in i few seconds..
[10:48] <pavlushka> x2xx3x: as it appears that flash is set to show videos fullscreen to primary monitor.
[10:50] <x2xx3x> yay... now monitor 2 is my primary...
[10:52] <x2xx3x> hmm - changed it in the x settings and changed back again .. now the monitors are in correct order again..
[10:52] <x2xx3x> the flash thing still doesnt work..
[10:53] <x2xx3x> should i install a different version of flash?
[10:59] <x2xx3x> or can i change that settings of my current flash somehow?
[11:02] <idan_> hello i need your help, I can't get audio throguh hdmi in my new ubuntu mate 16.10
[12:38] <hender> ok
[14:07] <chanchitos> hi there
[14:17] <RedB> Hi I'm using Ubuntu-Mate 16.10 in Dutch and I saw some awful translationsmistakes. Where can I get involved to solve this? I would love to help.
[14:17] <ouroumov> Hi RedB
[14:18] <RedB> Hi :-)
[14:18] <ouroumov> I'm looking for the link
[14:20] <ouroumov> RedB, https://www.transifex.com/ubuntu-mate/public/
[14:21] <ouroumov> RedB, that's for UM specific stuff
[14:21] <ouroumov> RedB, however if the problem comes from upstream MATE, you want to look here: https://www.transifex.com/mate/MATE/
[14:22] <ouroumov> RedB, also some how-tos here: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/translation
[14:23] <RedB> Well i think i can manage with all this! thanks @ouroumov!
[14:24] <ouroumov> Thanks to you RedB :)
[14:48] <panels> hello, i just installed ubuntu mate 16.04, and suddenly i noticed, both top and bottom panels have vanished - how do i get those back?
[14:49] <ali1234> what happens when you right click on the desktop?
[14:51] <panels> the menu that usually appears, does appear, create folder, create launcher ... change desktop background
[14:51] <ali1234> got "new terminal"?
[14:53] <panels> not exactly "new terminal", "Open in Terminal", thus yes i have access to terminal
[14:54] <ali1234> okay, open a terminal and run "mate-panel"
[14:54] <panels> "Cannot register the panel shell: there is already one running."
[14:56] <ali1234> try "mate-panel --reset"
[14:56] <ali1234> that will reset your configuration
[14:58] <panels> i can see the desktop icons move little bit - but the panels won't appear
[14:58] <ali1234> try "mate-panel --replace"
[15:01] <panels> "Unable to open desktop file /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop for panel launcher: No such file or directory" - i have removed firefox , mate-panel --replace can't finish due to that
[15:04] <panels> maybe i should reinstall firefox
[15:07] <panels> but regardless it seems mate-panel is too dependent on certain applications being installed
[15:08] <ali1234> i doubt that is the actual problem
[15:09] <ouroumov> try anyway
[15:12] <panels> no error occurs now, but mate-panel --replace just hangs - and no panels
[15:13] <panels> oh
[15:13] <panels> "Panel leaving: a new panel shell is starting.  (mate-panel:8004): EggSMClient-CRITICAL **: egg_sm_client_set_mode: assertion 'global_client == NULL || global_client_mode == EGG_SM_CLIENT_MODE_DISABLED' failed"
[15:13] <panels> and no panels
[15:15] <ouroumov> I'm wondering if this might be a screen size issue, like the panels are here but out of sight
[15:16] <ouroumov> Since you have terminal access, you can try creating a new user then log in with the new user
[15:16] <ouroumov> sudo adduser dummy
[15:16] <panels> i do happen to have second  screen, and panels have reappared there, but not into this monitor
[15:16] <ouroumov> Panels don't span dual monitors
[15:17] <ouroumov> You have to add new panels to the new monitor
[15:18] <panels> go figure, i haven't selected anything like span displays nor mirroring but by default ubuntu mate was mirroring the displays from getgo
[15:19] <panels> then at some point, the panels just vanished from my main monitor and i didn't remember to check situation on another screen
[15:37] <tgm4883> Using 16.10, how can I stop Mate from disabling my second monitor when a game goes full screen?
[17:01] <Guest68634> hi
[17:32] <mate|10487> Hi Everyone
[17:34] <mate|10487> Can I ask someone a question please?


[00:09] <mup> PR snapd#11324 closed: tests: enable snap-userd-reexec on ubuntu and debian <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11324>
[06:26] <mborzecki> morning
[06:52] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[06:52] <mborzecki> mardy: heya
[07:36] <mup> PR snapd#11329 opened: o/assertstate: auto aliases for apps that exist <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11329>
[07:51] <mup> PR snapd#11330 opened: spread: switch to CentOS 8 Stream image <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11330>
[08:08] <pstolowski> morning
[09:29] <pstolowski> jamesh: hi, would be great to get your ack on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11065
[09:29] <mup> PR #11065: cmd/snap: remove use of zenity, use notifications for snap run inhibition <refresh app awareness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11065>
[09:37] <mup> PR snapd#11291 closed: interfaces/opengl: add support for ARM Mali <cherry-picked> <Created by EthanHsieh> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11291>
[09:47] <miguelpires> mvo: hi, can you merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11313 please?
[09:47] <mup> PR #11313: o/snapstate: re-write state after undo migration <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11313>
[10:47] <mup> PR snapd#11313 closed: o/snapstate: re-write state after undo migration <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11313>
[10:58] <mborzecki> pstolowski: +1, but a comment about other tests https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11319#pullrequestreview-868963383 are they affected?
[10:58] <mup> PR #11319: tests: fix repair test failure when run in a loop <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11319>
[11:06] <pstolowski> mborzecki: thanks, replied
[11:07] <mup> PR snapd#11319 closed: tests: fix repair test failure when run in a loop <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11319>
[11:25] <mborzecki> mardy: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11314 ?
[11:25] <mup> PR #11314: systemd: batched operations <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11314>
[11:32] <mup> PR snapd#11318 closed: tests: ensure that interface hook works with hotplug plug <Squash-merge> <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11318>
[11:33] <mardy> mborzecki: on it
[11:42] <mborzecki> thanks!
[12:22] <mup> PR snapd#11328 closed: tests: remove CentOS 8 (EOL) <Simple 😃> <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11328>
[13:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#3630 closed: cli: add lifecycle command stubs (CRAFT-764) <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3630>
[13:53] <mup> PR snapd#11003 closed: o/servicestate: quota group error should be more explanative when memory cgroup is disabled <Squash-merge> <Created by atesburak> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11003>
[13:53] <mup> PR snapd#11323 closed: i/builtin: allow modem-manager interface to access some files in sysfs <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11323>
[15:28] <mup> PR snapd#11015 closed: tests: use core18 from gce <⛔ Blocked> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11015>
[16:59] <mup> PR snapd#11325 closed: overlord: skip manager tests on riscv for now <⚠ Critical> <Squash-merge> <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11325>
[19:04] <mup> PR snapd#11311 closed: asserts: start implementing authority-delegation <authority-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11311>
[20:30] <mup> PR snapd#11296 closed: gadget, gadgettest: reimplement tests to use new gadgettest examples.go file <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11296>


[06:36] <ara> good morning all!
[07:46] <ara> slangasek, zsync is now over 2GB with no issues :-)
[07:46] <ara> slangasek, is there a SRU report I can comment
[07:46] <ara> ?
[08:52] <slangasek> ara: yay - it's not proceeded to SRU yet, let me fix up the bug state and get it into the queue
[08:53] <slangasek> ara: "over 2GB" - and confirmed to have downloaded correctly?  Or just "past 2GB and hasn't given up yet"?
[09:01] <slangasek> ara: bug #412413
[09:01] <ubot4> slangasek: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[09:03] <slangasek> and... maintenance window. :)
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:13] <ara> morning davmor2
[09:15] <ara> slangasek, 80%, will let you know when it finishes
[09:16] <slangasek> ok, thaknks
[09:16] <slangasek> hmm
[09:16] <slangasek> thanks
[09:16] <slangasek> :)
[09:42] <ara> slangasek, download complete. md5sum correct :-)
[09:42] <slangasek> whoohoo
[09:45] <davmor2> :D
[10:14] <slangasek> ara: bug #412413 (LP is back)
[10:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412413 in zsync "zsync 32bit cannot download DVD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412413
[10:24] <TheFunkbomb> good morning
[10:25] <TheFunkbomb> I am wondering if I can get some info on Lucid testing
[10:32] <TheFunkbomb> basically, I am unhappy with all the hate 9.10 has gotten. :(  I want to beta test Lucid to help stop this bad publicity.  I'm willing to use a vm for the first few betas and then maybe even donate a partition to the project.
[10:32] <TheFunkbomb> is there a form I fill out?  Anything special I need to do?
[10:40] <slangasek> TheFunkbomb: we will happily take more testing help; please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing for the quick-start guide
[10:40] <TheFunkbomb> slangasek, thanks
[10:41] <TheFunkbomb> I have to tell you that I manage to get around Ubuntu alright but I'm not a power user.
[10:41] <slangasek> You just missed a presentation from ara during OpenWeek, about the ISO testing tracker; you might find it interesting to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/TestISOs
[10:41] <TheFunkbomb> slangasek, I'm logging the openweek channel
[10:41] <slangasek> ok then :)
[10:41] <TheFunkbomb> my puppy has been sick so I haven't been around
[10:43] <TheFunkbomb> They really need to set the channel to drop join quits and parts
[10:45] <slangasek> I will observe, though, that while we are always happy for more testing, I think the right response to the bad publicity is actually better publicity, not better testing... we do take complaints about the quality of releases seriously, but the media coverage seems somewhat disproportionate to the severity of the issues :)
[10:46] <TheFunkbomb> I agree.  People aren't going to post on the forums unless they have an issue.
[10:46] <TheFunkbomb> it makes no sense to have thousands of "Ubuntu is working perfectly but I just needed to use up bandwidth" posts
[11:21] <TheFunkbomb> good morning
[11:21] <davmor2> TheFunkbomb: Morning
[11:21] <TheFunkbomb> how are you today/
[11:21] <davmor2> busy
[11:38] <davmor2> ara_: do you use virt-manager at all?
[11:39] <ara_> davmor2, I use virtualbox
[11:40] <ara_> I don't know why kvm is very slow for me. I will ask people about this during uds
[11:40] <davmor2> it's okay realised what I hadn't done
[12:38]  * ara -> lunch
[14:08] <davmor2> fader_: Morning Dude
[14:08] <fader_> davmor2, howdy
[14:08] <fader_> How goes it?
[14:09] <davmor2> it goes up and down like a rollercoaster :D
[14:10] <davmor2> need to restart biab


[13:11] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[13:17] <nhaines> Good morning!
[13:20] <akk> Morning!
[13:32] <nhaines> It's still bright and early today.  :)
[13:34] <akk> Indeed it is.
[13:49] <Roguehorse> oh yes
[13:50] <Roguehorse> looks like I just installed the KDE update
[13:50] <nhaines> How is it working?
[13:50] <Roguehorse> haven't rebooted yet
[13:51] <nhaines> Exciting.  :)
[13:51] <Roguehorse> eh, kinda
[13:51] <Roguehorse> just hope nothing breaks - I hate chasing that kinda stuff down
[13:52] <nhaines> Well, that's what I meant by exciting, heh.
[13:52] <Roguehorse> so far with Kubuntu I have had good luck : )
[13:52] <Roguehorse> when I was on openSUSE - not so much
[13:53] <nhaines> We try!  :)
[13:54] <Roguehorse> well, it's obvious why it's the most popular distro : ) (including derivitives)
[13:54] <nhaines> I got off of SuSE in 2003, 2004 because it kept breaking, too.  I was really glad when Ubuntu showed up.
[13:55] <nhaines> Hard to think I've been using it for 9 years now.  :)
[13:56] <Roguehorse> I did Ubuntu for a couple years - openSUSE for a couple - then back again
[13:57] <Roguehorse> I thought the first Unity was hard to adjust to from Gnome 2
[13:58] <nhaines> Unity was a bit of an adjustment.  Alt-~ was the winning move as far as I was concerned, although I liked it enough to fight with it for that first 6 month.
[13:59] <Roguehorse> I liked it and kept it for a while then wanted to experiment with other things
[13:59] <Roguehorse> This is Linux after all - an open book for experimentation
[14:01] <Roguehorse> of course then I learned about VM's and everything changed again : )
[14:01] <nhaines> Yup!  And with Ubuntu being as solid as it is, that's almost free license to experiment.  You can always go back to the standard install. :)
[14:01] <nhaines> Hehe, yeah, VMs work too.
[14:02] <Roguehorse> oh nicely - I have KVM running and VirtualBox
[14:02] <Roguehorse> although I've found my graphics drivers lacking for KVM : (
[14:04] <Roguehorse> trying to play a web browser game on Chrome through KVM is like watching a DVD with a scratch in it
[14:04] <nhaines> That's a poor use of KVM.  :)
[14:04] <nhaines> Although there's always VGA passthrough mode... I think. :)
[14:04] <Roguehorse> I wanted to see what it could do
[14:05] <nhaines> Ooh, actually... maybe that's the solution to my X-Wing Alliance problems.
[14:05] <Roguehorse> I haven't had time to play with it a whole lot
[14:06] <Roguehorse> what? VM?
[14:06] <nhaines> KVM and QEMU with VGA passthrough.
[14:07] <nhaines> VirtualBox doesn't cut it because it uses DirectX 5.
[14:07] <Roguehorse> try it - I'll look inti it and see if things get better
[14:08] <Roguehorse> I like KVM better than VBox but the performance was lacking so I refrained
[14:09] <nhaines> They're two different tools for different scenarios, really.  :)
[14:17] <Roguehorse> lets explore that - Define?
[14:19] <Roguehorse> I know there is argument of whether KVM is really type 1 or 2 and VBox is type 2 - VBox works through the host while KVM goes directly to the kernel - correct?
[14:21] <nhaines> Not really.  It's sort of a gray area.
[14:21] <Roguehorse> which part?
[14:21] <nhaines> KVM is extremely lightweight and can be run without any other software.
[14:22] <nhaines> But VirtualBox is intended to be run in a standard guest environment.  It *can* be run on a server, but I'm not sure why anyone would want to, with KVM around.  :)
[14:22] <nhaines> KVM's more of a server tool and VirtualBox has always been more of a workstation tool.
[14:23] <akk> KVM doens't work on a lot of machines -- it requires CPU extensions that not all processors have.
[14:23] <akk> Virtualbox works on everything.
[14:23] <nhaines> akk: can't KVM use QEMU on machines without VT, though?
[14:23] <Roguehorse> but don't most of the *newer* processors have support?
[14:23] <akk> It couldn't a few years ago. Perhaps things have changed.
[14:24] <akk> Roguehorse: I'm not sure, but I know people said exactly that a couple of years ago and lots of processors still didn't have support then.
[14:24] <akk> Even fairly hefty fast processors sometimes didn't include those extentions.
[14:24] <Roguehorse> I understand - I've read some of the articles
[14:24] <akk> extensions
[14:25] <akk> And it wasn't easy (at least with intel) to figure out which processors/machines would or wouldn't have support.
[14:25] <DonkeyHotei> they still make processors without the extensions
[14:25] <Roguehorse> I think things have changed and VT is now pretty much standard aside from maybe some rare instances
[14:25] <akk> We bought one thinking surely this fast new processor will do it, and nope, it didn't.
[14:26] <Roguehorse> with VM being able to cut down on carbon footprint, consumers are expecting it
[14:26] <akk> Maybe for servers. I'm not convinced most computer buyers have ever heard of virtualization.
[14:27] <nhaines> akk: my favorite part was when the processor supported it but the OEM removed support from the BIOS.
[14:27] <akk> Or heard of power saving, come to that. :)
[14:27] <Roguehorse> akk: ??? you think?
[14:27] <nhaines> I agree with akk.  :)
[14:27] <Roguehorse> come on now - everyone is green! : )
[14:27] <akk> Roguehorse: Think of your average mac or windows user.  Have you ever tried to research power use of computers before buying one?
[14:28] <akk> You can't get the numbers at all, in most cases.
[14:28] <akk> It's certainly not something a casual buyer would even try to do.
[14:29] <Roguehorse> I believe it was nhaines who showed me a website that calculates it for you, but you'd have to know about it
[14:29] <Roguehorse> or care : )
[14:29] <akk> And if you're building a machine -- go to Fry's and look at power supplies. You'll see a lot of 500W models. Show me the efficient 80W models.
[14:29] <nhaines> I'm not so sure that was me. :)
[14:29] <Roguehorse> I concur, most people don't think about their consumption
[14:30] <Roguehorse> I know it was from this forum (someone) looking to build a desktop
[14:31] <Roguehorse> I don't remember for sure, but the site was nice. Made all the calculations for you.
[14:33] <nhaines> It does sound nice.  :)
[14:35] <Roguehorse> http://pcpartpicker.com/
[14:35] <darthrobot> Title: [Pick Parts, Build Your PC, Compare and Share - PCPartPicker]
[14:35] <Roguehorse> I knew I saved that link : )
[14:47] <Roguehorse> for sating morbid curiosity, the design in question http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6RQprH
[14:47] <darthrobot> Title: [Intel Core i5-4460, Cooler Master N200 - System Build - PCPartPicker]
[14:48] <Roguehorse> notice the lack of sound or graphics? The discussion entailed the intended use which was for VM implementations
[14:48] <Roguehorse> (as I recall)
[14:52] <akk> Looks useful!
[15:09] <Roguehorse> I does - doesn't it?
[15:10] <Roguehorse> I know when I threw the box I'm on now I researched everything separately
[15:18] <Roguehorse> The GPU stated a min of 500w PS for this NVidia9800GT so I grabbed a Black Widow 550w
[15:22] <akk> yikes
[15:24] <Roguehorse> Yeah, I don't know all the specifics related to that but I didn't want to chance it so I follow the instructions
[15:25] <akk> Definitely more red than green. :)
[15:25] <Roguehorse> that was the only thing that was specific related to power consumption - and it's not even that great of a board really
[15:26] <nhaines> It got really bright outside an hour ago, and I said to myself, "what the fsck is outside the window?"  Then I pulled back the shade and looked directly into the sun.
[15:26] <Roguehorse> well, the GPU was more of a "budget" thing, I had so much money ya know?
[15:27] <Roguehorse> BRIGHT LIGHT - BRIGHT LIGHT!!
[15:27] <Roguehorse> ... and no eating after midnight and absolutely no water!!
[15:56] <Roguehorse> http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
[15:56] <darthrobot> Title: [PSU REQUIREMENTS - RealHardTechX]
[16:04] <Roguehorse> worth reading:  http://www.sigops.org/sosp/sosp09/papers/hotpower_6_ma.pdf
[16:04] <darthrobot> Content type: [application/pdf] Size: [492782]
[16:43] <Roguehorse> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/gpu-consumption2006.html
[16:43] <darthrobot> Title: [The Grand Clash for Watts: Power Consumption of Modern Graphics Cards - X-bit labs]
[17:01] <Roguehorse> hopefully the KDE updates will be all fine and good - should be