[00:18] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I was looking over the Thunar docs in their new home and I noticed that where there are multiple screenshots in the same frame, they are stacked instead of side-by-side.
[00:19] <jjfrv8> I guess that's not a problem, if you're okay with it. However, in one case where there are three images, the title says "Left, Middle, Right", which might be confusing.
[00:22] <knome> could refer to "first", "second" and "third" image which would pretty much make sense with them stacked or floated side-by-side
[00:22] <jjfrv8> Also, in that last section of the FAQ page, the one that was reinstated, there is a reference to a non-existent screenshot.
[00:23] <knome> and hey jjfrv8 :)
[00:23] <jjfrv8> knome, yep, that would work. But I was also wondering if it would be better to shrink the images so they would fit the narrower page.
[00:24] <knome> if it affects their legibility (if appropriate), then i don't think so
[00:26] <jjfrv8> There is that consideration. One way to get around that is to make them thumbnails which would expand when clicked. But I could see where that might not be ideal.
[00:27] <knome> yeah, and i don't know if the target pages are ideal either
[00:27] <knome> i mean, if it's a wiki page for an image, that's always a bit... meh
[00:27] <knome> a link to the original image is a bit awkward too
[00:28] <knome> and a lightbox (open in a popup) -style functionality is a tad too much for a wiki imo too
[00:28] <knome> what i'm trying to say is i personally like images that are readable as is on documentation, unless there is a LOT of them
[00:28] <knome> (nope there isn't too much of them in the thunar docs)
[00:29] <jjfrv8> Yeah, I kind of figured it's best to leave them as is, but I think we do need to correct that one title over the triple screenie.
[00:30] <jjfrv8> I wonder if I could get rights to edit the upstream stuff to save ochosi some work?
[00:32] <knome> that sounds like a very sensible idea :)
[00:53] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:53] <bluesabre> knome, thanks!
[03:08] <bluesabre> launchpad is being a bit moody today
[09:54] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:23] <slickymasterWork> hey bluesabre
[10:23] <bluesabre> hey slickymasterWork
[10:24] <bluesabre> are we good for the final docs translation upload?
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> there's just one thing I want to check with the russian translation, but besides that, we're ok
[10:25] <bluesabre> cool
[10:35] <flocculant> morning bluesabre slickymasterWork
[10:37] <bluesabre> morning flocculant
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> morning flocculant
[11:03] <flocculant> all gone quiet now - must be almost cycle end :p
[11:06] <bluesabre> :)
[11:06] <bluesabre> trying to get those translation uploads done this morning
[11:08] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, I'll just be able to check what I want after lunch
[11:09] <slickymasterWork> how much of a show stopper is that for you?
[11:09] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: just means I'll be uploading tonight, should still beat the freeze most likely
[11:09] <bluesabre> working on uploading other packages currently
[11:10] <slickymasterWork> I'll ping you as soon as I've done, during this afternoon
[11:45] <bluesabre> np
[11:45] <bluesabre> heading out now... will do xubuntu-docs, catfish, and menulibre when I get back
[11:45] <bluesabre> uploaded gtk-theme-config and xfpanel-switch to ubuntu this morning
[11:45] <flocculant> cya
[11:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: you'll have mail, but no panic on that :)
[12:17] <flocculant> ochosi: you obviously have a copy too :)
[14:31] <flocculant> can anyone confirm this - have some media playing, then start sound settings - mutes, then sound starts up again
[14:31] <flocculant> never used to occur
[14:32] <flocculant> secondly - odd power manager behaviour
[14:32] <flocculant> have a vbox vm running - try to restart host machine - get vbox asking to close vm - have to go back to host afterwards and restart
[14:33] <flocculant> with the sound issue - that won't happen again till session restarted - so just once per session I see it
[14:38] <flocculant> forget that last statement
[15:02] <flocculant> bug 1504175 if anyone can confirm that
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, all done
[15:03] <slickymasterWork> you can go ahead with the final docs translations upload
[15:03] <flocculant> :)
[15:04] <slickymasterWork> :P
[15:04] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: The most recent changes still need to be synced to the branch though.
[15:05] <flocculant> oh I see - *now* it's suddenly ontopic ...
[15:05] <slickymasterWork> by the time bluesabre will do it, it should be synced
[15:06] <slickymasterWork> flocculant :P
[15:07] <flocculant> someone tell me what xfce4-power-manager they have - assuming not using ppa's
[15:08] <flocculant> wondering now if this vbox thing I see is in that version
[15:12] <flocculant> purged ppa's - still seeing it
[15:26] <krytarik> bluesabre: "just means I'll be uploading tonight, should still beat the freeze most likely" - it's a deadline, not a freeze - we still have time until Final Freeze (15th Oct) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:28] <flocculant> bluesabre: really really sorry ... bug 1504186
[15:29] <flocculant> hate finding things this late :(
[15:50] <slickymasterWork> Xubuntu Docs were added tohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:57] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Wrong spot though. :P
[15:57] <slickymasterWork> hmmm~
[15:57] <krytarik> (Should be between Kubuntu Docs and Software Center.)
[15:58] <slickymasterWork> damn you krytarik
[15:58] <krytarik> hahaha
[15:58] <flocculant> krytarik: why not just fix it ?
[15:58] <krytarik> Good question. :P
[15:58] <slickymasterWork> done
[15:58] <krytarik> Thanks.
[15:59] <slickymasterWork> :P
[16:26] <jjfrv8> flocculant, on that pavucontrol thing, is it a quick hiccup in the sound on launch that you're hearing?
[16:26] <flocculant> yep
[16:26] <jjfrv8> okay, I get it with Parole but not VLC on my old desktop. Don't get it with either on the new one.
[16:27] <jjfrv8> both wily and fully ppa'd.
[16:28] <jjfrv8> While checking, I did just get hit with bug 1503945 :(
[16:29] <jjfrv8> bug 1503945
[16:30] <jjfrv8> what am I doing wrong?
[16:31] <flocculant> guess it's set to private
[16:31] <jjfrv8> oh, right
[16:31] <flocculant> can't see it :D
[16:32] <jjfrv8> thunar crashed with SIGSEGV in g_dbus_connection_is_closed()
[16:33] <flocculant> right - not in bug squad - can only set mine to public
[16:34] <flocculant> ok - got that one locally too - not sent it yet
[16:41] <jjfrv8> back to work, bbl
[16:43] <flocculant> cya - thanks for looking jjfrv8 :)
[16:43] <jjfrv8> welcome :)
[19:48] <ochosi> jjfrv8: hey! i fixed that thing you mentioned with left, middle, right. i guess the only way to ensure those pics stay in one line is to make them *one* pic. then i guess it's not really needed to write "left, middle right" cause the sequence will make it clear
[19:49] <ochosi> jjfrv8: about direct access, yeah, generally speaking why not, but then again i think reviews are a good thing and they matter (even though they're exhausting and sometimes take a while - sorry again for that...)
[19:53] <flocculant> evening ochosi :)
[19:58] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[20:02] <Unit193> ochosi: Have you poked your friendly neighborhood Ubuntu CD Image Team member recently? :P
[20:02] <ochosi> Unit193: :) no, sorry, wasn't around enough during the day. i had hoped knome would do the poking...
[20:03] <ochosi> problem is i can#t be around during the day atm
[20:04] <ochosi> lemme check who's actually in that team
[20:04] <flocculant> employers - so job orientated ...
[20:04] <ochosi> yeah, IT's terrible
[20:05] <flocculant> yep
[20:05] <flocculant> Unit193: still trying to get that done this cycle :)
[20:06] <Unit193> flocculant: No, but if we wait until next cycle then there's likely going to be a lot of turnover in those 3 branches, and I do not want to rebase again.
[20:06] <flocculant> I can understand that
[20:07] <ochosi> Unit193: i think knome knows a few of the cdimage guys
[20:07] <ochosi> either way, pinged cjwatson
[20:07] <ochosi> what about the other two MRs?
[20:08] <Unit193> You pinged the beast. :3
[20:09] <ochosi> luckily i don't mind ;)
[20:10] <Unit193> I've been talking to infinity, but he's likely the most overworked.
[20:10] <flocculant> seems to be the one that everyone pings
[20:11] <Unit193> For everything.
[20:11] <flocculant> yea
[20:13] <ochosi> Unit193: right, so slangasek will take a look at the cdimage part
[20:15] <flocculant> I'll be glad once this is on the tracker properly
[20:16] <Unit193> I'll be glad when I have nothing else to do with it. :P
[20:16] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[20:17] <flocculant> except ... https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+members#active
[20:22] <Unit193> That's just testing, that's not so bad.  Speaking of which, I was going to re-install my Xubuntu VM (easier than fixing it at this point), how far off the testcase can you go before it no longer counts? :P
[20:22] <flocculant> I'm going to start putting on the milestone release notes that it's not useful to use if a few days after it's released
[20:23] <Unit193> Mmmm, but it's at least a fixed spot that worked.  Dalies may or may not.
[20:23] <jjfrv8> ochosi, totally agree about the review process. I wasn't thinking of bypassing that, just for taking care of minor things that come up after the review.
[20:23] <jjfrv8> Like a couple of typos I discovered :(
[20:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: lemme take a look whether i even have rights to give you any rights...
[20:24] <flocculant> Unit193: few days after it's more likely that issues in the milestone are gone
[20:24] <flocculant> and it's not necessarily a fixed point that works - it might be a fixed point with known issues :p
[20:25] <ochosi> jjfrv8: nope, i can't... so yeah, the only way we can fix those is by you pointing them out and me fixing them
[20:25] <Unit193> flocculant: FWIW, I'd never use a beta, unless it was the daily. :P
[20:25] <flocculant> :D
[20:26] <flocculant> there is talk of flavours being able to start/stop builds
[20:26] <drc> flocculant: you missed his main point: can I install b2 and then just upgrade to 15.10 w/o re-installing.
[20:26] <flocculant> drc: I didn't miss it - just ignored it :)
[20:26] <drc> The b2 vs daily was secondary.
[20:26] <drc> ah...good man :)
[20:27] <flocculant> trying to stop people think that a milestone is something good weeks later :)
[20:27] <flocculant> so - if that ^^ comes off - no need so much for milestones - we could have one a month if we wanted to
[20:28] <flocculant> though a global freeze is useful ofc
[20:32] <flocculant> drc: I do actually try and read the whole of someone else's help request - unlike some - I'll ignore things if I think it appropriate :D
[20:33] <flocculant> and I think the QA lead can appropriately tell someone not to bother :p
[20:33] <flocculant> and I don't mean you by 'some' :)
[20:34] <drc> Really?    Reminded me I should bail more plesently too..
[20:38] <jjfrv8> ochosi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718398/
[20:38] <jjfrv8> sorry about that  :(
[20:38] <ochosi> hey no worries really ;)
[20:40] <ochosi> i'll fix those shortly
[20:41] <ochosi> done
[20:42] <jjfrv8> thx
[20:44] <knome> ochosi, hopes, hopes...
[20:45] <flocculant> evening knome
[20:46] <knome> hello flocculant
[20:50] <ochosi> knome: i only passed along one of the MRs, feel free chime in ;)
[21:01] <flocculant> knome: what say you to some sort of sprint amongst us to actually work out some sensible subjects for faq's ?
[21:03] <flocculant> or perhaps a pad linked somewhere so when someone thinks - oooh what about that - they could just list it
[21:18] <flocculant> ochosi: ty - replied :)
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, there was some drafting for it in the whiteboard for that blueprint
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, but sure
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, i think it should mostly be what people actually ask though, so digging out logs might come useful
[21:31] <flocculant> so perhaps a pad might be useful - people can add when something comes up
[21:31] <knome> sure, wfm
[21:32] <flocculant> just thinking is all :)
[21:32] <knome> yup
[21:33] <flocculant> painful and/or dangerous ...
[21:33] <knome> i'm a bit out of focus atm...
[21:33] <flocculant> :)
[21:33] <knome> but it's ok, feel free to talk to me and i'll try to reply sensibly :P
[21:33] <ochosi> knome: in case you wanna support one xubuntu-core MR to cdimage, feel free to head over to #u-devel and continue the conversation with slangasek ;)
[21:34] <ochosi> Unit193 conveniently chickened out of it :)
[21:34] <knome> lol
[21:34] <ochosi> gotta head to bed now
[21:34] <ochosi> night everyone!
[21:34] <knome> nighty
[21:34] <flocculant> night ochosi :)
[21:35] <slickymaster> have a good one ochosi
[21:35] <ochosi> ty, tty'all laters
[21:35] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:35] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[21:36] <ochosi> thanks bluesabre (and sorry for pinging you on the xfce dev ml ;))
[21:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks for letting me know I got pinged :D
[21:37] <bluesabre> krytarik: semantics :)
[21:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: evening :)
[21:37] <flocculant> and sorry for coming across bugs :(
[21:39] <bluesabre> flocculant: darn you :p
[21:40] <flocculant> sowwy ...
[21:40] <flocculant> :p
[21:51] <bluesabre> flocculant: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1504186, is that saying a vm is running as a guest when you try to shutdown the host?
[21:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - I'll make it more obvious
[21:52] <bluesabre> ok, wanted to confirm that :)
[21:53] <flocculant> look now
[21:54] <bluesabre> thanks
[21:54] <bluesabre> I'll take a look at that either tonight or tomorrow
[21:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: bit off an odd one - if you really need me to install ubuntu to hardware to check it's not us I will - but you'll owe me one :D
[22:00] <bluesabre> ?
[22:01] <knome> krytarik, basically, two parts:
[22:01] <knome> 1) he doesn't agree with tho product names
[22:01] <knome> and i agree with that
[22:01] <bluesabre> agree with the product names, or agree with disagreeing?
[22:01] <knome> 2) he said that he'd rather have us create two ISOs within the same product, and pointed out that "desktop" and "dvd" subproduct names are the current convention
[22:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you want me to install Ubuntu - and vbox and run a vm and see if the same happens I will
[22:01] <knome> bluesabre, agree that we should only have one product name
[22:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll let you know after I get a chance to kick it myself :)
[22:02] <flocculant> ok :)
[22:02] <knome> to really lay it out:
[22:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: personally the pavucontrol one annoys me much more :D
[22:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: and that one I can't reproduce so far
[22:03] <flocculant> k
[22:03] <knome> instead of having both 1) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/* and 2) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core/*, just have 1)
[22:03] <knome> and in build dirs, like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/, simply have desktop and core ISOs listed
[22:03] <knome> (in both arches)
[22:04] <knome> and the part about desktop/dvd was that that naming scheme is the convention so far
[22:04] <knome> nothing else
[22:06] <knome> krytarik, did that clear it out?
[22:07] <krytarik> knome: It makes it more clear to what he's referring to there at least, yes.
[22:08] <flocculant> mmm
[22:09] <flocculant> once the 2 iso's are created - does that cause us more work moving forward?
[22:09] <flocculant> eg if we did that - pain now, but none later?
[22:09] <knome> more work in what sense?
[22:10] <flocculant> and we're the 1st flavour to come up with this idea?
[22:10] <flocculant> doing what has to be done knome
[22:10] <knome> no, it's been done before
[22:10] <knome> let me dig up an example..
[22:10] <flocculant> my issue here is simple
[22:11] <knome> well the answer is simple too
[22:11] <flocculant> I don't understand the detail so don't know if a simple idea = more work for us
[22:11] <knome> no, no more work than splitting it into two different products either
[22:11] <knome> flocculant, in QA tracker terms, instead of having xubuntu and xubuntu core products, just have xubuntu product and different testsuites for desktop and core
[22:11] <knome> flocculant, does that clear it out?
[22:12] <knome> eg. same amount of maintaining really
[22:12] <knome> just two different ways to achieve it
[22:12] <flocculant> mmk
[22:12] <bluesabre> makes sense to me, core is just a subset after all
[22:12] <knome> yep
[22:12] <flocculant> given my position - I'm cool with whatever we do
[22:12] <knome> i can't find an example now
[22:13] <knome> but i figure Unit193 did it like this because there are things like kubuntu-active
[22:13] <flocculant> but I'll always prefer to +1 our easy way
[22:13] <knome> which is likely much more different to kubuntu than core to xubuntu is
[22:13] <flocculant> could we not try and have a meeting quickish to hash it out
[22:14] <bluesabre> and krytarik, thanks for pointing it out, will upload -docs once we get the next sync (should be in 8 hours)
[22:14] <knome> actually i think here's an exmaple:
[22:14] <knome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
[22:14] <flocculant> if we do - we need to make sure Unit193 and those needing to do stuff can be there
[22:15] <knome> lubuntu has daily (which is basically alt), daily-live (which is desktop) and a third one
[22:15] <knome> at least this is what i think we're looking at
[22:15] <knome> so not quite what i explained before
[22:15] <knome> but very close.
[22:15] <bluesabre> I'll still do catfish and menulibre tonight, they should be in their final release state
[22:15] <knome> the main point is that all of this is inside lubuntu
[22:16] <knome> not lubuntu and lubuntu-alt and whatever
[22:16] <flocculant> knome: no
[22:16] <knome> same for xubuntu and our core - we actually even want it to be all under xubuntu :)
[22:16] <knome> no?
[22:16] <knome> :)
[22:16] <flocculant> mmm
[22:16] <flocculant> no - yes
[22:16] <flocculant> :D
[22:16] <knome> so that part makes totally sense...
[22:16] <knome> the naming part is just naming
[22:16] <knome> :)
[22:17] <flocculant> well they do 32/64 and ppc
[22:17] <flocculant> but ppc constantly dies and they rarely release at milestone it seems
[22:17] <flocculant> but alt and live
[22:17] <flocculant> we're not looking at that are we
[22:18] <knome> yes
[22:18] <knome> but not alt and live
[22:18] <flocculant> we're looking at core/main in 2 arch's
[22:18] <knome> but core and desktop
[22:18] <knome> but in meta, the same thing
[22:18] <knome> i mean in the meta sense
[22:18] <flocculant> effectively 2 iso's (ignoring arch)
[22:18] <knome> so... yes we are and no we aren't ;)
[22:19] <knome> apparently the ISOs just appear this way now
[22:19] <knome> i rmeember seeing them being in the same place before
[22:19] <knome> but maybe that changed at some point
[22:20] <knome> but as i said to slangasek... how and with what name/description we link to ISOs, wherever they reside is a documentation/marketing issue
[22:22] <knome> knome: I'd like to see a proposed patch that does this as two images under the xubuntu product, with whatever code changes you're looking for to support different names that "desktop" and "dvd" if that's the way you're going
[22:22] <knome> ^ quote from slangasek
[22:23] <knome> the most important line there.
[22:26] <flocculant> mmm
[22:26] <flocculant> or this one
[22:26] <flocculant> [21:40] <slangasek> knome: these names are part of the cdimage code, and changing them to something else would require making the code more complicated
[22:26] <knome> well
[22:26] <knome> let's keep on pasting
[22:27] <flocculant> well - paygrades and stuff :)
[22:27] <knome> slangasek: which is not to say I'd veto it
[22:27] <flocculant> yea
[22:27] <knome> so... yeah
[22:32] <flocculant> I guess what I'm concerned about is that we argue a case, they're not actually that concerned, but have to make a point - the consequence being we don't get this in till late cycle
[22:32] <flocculant> and the follow on - good lord from testing point
[22:34] <knome> putting them under the same product should be relatively easy
[22:35] <knome> naming scheme is another thing, but we can likely even stick with desktop/dvd until we get a serious MP done
[22:36] <flocculant> I'm not concerned about the tracker at all
[22:36] <knome> no
[22:36] <knome> same product also applies to this other thing
[22:36] <knome> i was just making an analogy before
[22:36] <flocculant> if that's what you mean
[22:36] <flocculant> ok :)
[22:37] <knome> it's really close to how we organize stuff in the qa trackers
[22:37] <knome> so i thought it made it clearer for you
[22:37] <flocculant> yep
[22:37] <flocculant> yea it does :)
[22:37] <knome> i'm sure i have just made it worse now ;)
[22:37] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[22:41] <flocculant> !team | just so you're aware - we will be bringing the package tracker for the LTS cycle
[22:41] <flocculant> and that impinges on how I feel about core landing late in XX :)
[22:42] <bluesabre> I'd like to get things lined up so that we can have core builds when the x archive opens up
[22:42] <bluesabre> (on cdimage, that is)
[22:43] <flocculant> yep
[22:44] <bluesabre> also, we should get a meeting lined up for next week
[22:44] <bluesabre> to cover last minute items and figure out where we are for x
[22:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'd agree
[22:45] <flocculant> could we try and do a weekend one - allow for as many team as possible perhaps
[22:46] <flocculant> or - even run a couple - one early and one late
[22:46] <bluesabre> if its this weekend, I can only do very early saturday or mostly anytime sunday
[22:46] <bluesabre> oh
[22:46] <bluesabre> thats not a bad idea
[22:46] <flocculant> just means that early needs to make sure logs are up I guess
[22:48] <flocculant> if we did it late in the week I could likely be about for both
[22:48] <bluesabre> final freeze is 1 week from today
[22:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll be starting iso calls early next week pre RC
[22:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool
[22:50] <flocculant> so - if we aimed for 15th - still in b4 release and mid RC
[22:50] <bluesabre> I'll be reviewing bugs sunday/early next week as I have time
[22:50] <flocculant> and Fridays I can def be about for early and late
[22:51] <flocculant> though that late - we'd not get a stop on much other than the world stopping I guess
[23:17] <bluesabre> if we could get the world to stop a few hours tonight so I could get some extra zzzs, that'd be lovely
[23:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - all done - set one in stone, can move the 2nd about to suit
[23:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - you could just say good night :)
[23:17] <bluesabre> flocculant: great!
[23:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: nah, gotta do one more upload, then do the dishes I've neglected so far this week
[23:18] <flocculant> oh
[23:18] <flocculant> I has 2 dishwashers
[23:19] <flocculant> one electric - one 15 :p
[23:19] <bluesabre> :D
[23:19] <bluesabre> so, one that works all the time, and one that works-ish sometimes?
[23:20] <flocculant> yea the fuse keeps going ...
[23:20] <flocculant> :p
[23:20] <bluesabre> :)
[23:22] <flocculant> I put some things on agenda - if you want to fiddle about from your pov
[23:22] <flocculant> cos they're a bit QA ish ... ;)
[23:24] <bluesabre> k
[23:24] <flocculant> well - I did put your thing first :)
[23:25] <bluesabre> appreciated
[23:25] <bluesabre> early morning is always easier for me
[23:25] <flocculant> ha ha
[23:26] <flocculant> I meant "Last minute Wily issues for discussion "
[23:26] <flocculant> not the time - happy to make you lead the first one :D
[23:26]  * flocculant suspects bluesabre didn't think about the chair ...
[23:27] <bluesabre> didn't think about that, but that's reasonable I'd say
[23:27] <bluesabre> :D
[23:28] <flocculant> I'll take the 2nd
[23:28] <flocculant> I suppose ...
[23:28] <flocculant> :p
[23:35] <bluesabre> alrighty, that should hopefully be the last catfish, gtk-theme-config, menulibre, and xfpanel-switch uploads this cycle
[23:36] <bluesabre> go ahead and find bugs to prove me wrong
[23:36] <flocculant> oops
[23:36] <flocculant> did you mean that?
[23:37] <bluesabre> maybe
[23:37] <bluesabre> maybe not
[23:37] <bluesabre> if they're annoying bugs, don't expect a quick turnaround :)
[23:37] <bluesabre> still need to figure out gmb
[23:37] <bluesabre> :\
[23:39] <flocculant> ha ha ha ha
[23:39] <flocculant> the pavuc one pisses me off - surprised you don't see it
[23:40] <flocculant> maybe hardware *whrug*
[23:40] <flocculant> or shrug
[23:40] <bluesabre> probably just need to update, restart, then find it myself and be upset
[23:40] <flocculant> ha ha
[23:40] <flocculant> for a while I thought it was main channel set to >100%
[23:41] <flocculant> but that was just luck
[23:42] <flocculant> also sometimes you don't see it if you had pavuc open within the last *amount of time*
[23:42] <bluesabre> k
[23:42]  * bluesabre adds music to startup applications
[23:42] <flocculant> it's pretty obvious if you see it
[23:43] <flocculant> though I guess if you were young and weren't winding it up to 11 - then maybe you'd not hear it
[23:43] <knome> :D
[23:44] <flocculant> depending on what you listen to perhaps
[23:44] <flocculant> knome: ha ha - you're a bad man :D
[23:44] <bluesabre> if I was my younger self, it'd be up to 20
[23:44] <knome> me? noooo
[23:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - all the better :)
[23:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: I always see it when session is new - play music - start pavuc - mute momentarily
[23:46] <flocculant> it's not seconds - microseconds - but hearable
[23:46] <bluesabre> alrighty
[23:47] <flocculant> almost like an old fashioned relay warming up and switching - not right though ;)
[23:48] <flocculant> and is definitely some regression - not seeing it in trusty
[23:48] <flocculant> will check vivid tomorrow
[23:49] <bluesabre> cool
[23:51] <flocculant> I'll check laptop too - try and tie down hardware, though jjfrv8 is seeing it too
[23:51] <flocculant> bit pointless me checking in vm - same souncard
[23:52] <flocculant> basically I will add as much hw info as I can


[04:26] <pedro_> iaeee
[04:28] <Wheelz> Good evening
[04:29] <Wheelz> I'm new to Kubuntu and been searching the forums with no real luck. Is it possible to run Anbox on Kubuntu?
 @ri5h46h  i installed kde neon as you said. as you said it has 5.4 kernel. Eventhough during installation time i seen those acpi errors. But after installation from the first boot. No more acpi errors occured. … The thing is . That contact admin error persists when i access a particular disk partition . When i mount it whole system becomes read only( So all the activity gives that contact admin error from then ). i think that
[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:49] <PoonFly> Good morning
[07:47] <Daskreech> Wheelz: Short answer is yes it is
[07:52] <kbm> hi all
[08:05] <Daskreech> Hello
 @thanveer787, For that last several boots not having any probs at all. I dont know what happened for it to fix itself.
[09:27] <viewer|52> J
[09:27] <viewer|52> HI
 @thanveer787, I would suggest wiping your disk completely and then installing.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 @ri5h46h, i checked throughly in windows. that partition clearly has problems. I was nt able to shrink it. it says the partition is currupted . i ran a check disk. But it may take days to complete. so i think i should leave that partition there . i culd access it from windows anyway. Today . i got stuck in the same way as yesterday. but it was simple to work around. just fsck partition name command fixed that issue.
 @thanveer787, KDE neon working fine now ?
 @BluesKaj, Hello, Good Morning 😊
 @ri5h46h, everything fine . if i dont try use that particular partition.
 some times even that partition works too its random :/
 @thanveer787, hmm, please consider wiping your disk completely. maybe it will fix.
 @ri5h46h, i wuld have done it. I dont have a backup system right. thats why iam turning back
 that is an 800gb partition with 90% used
 is there anyway to see a live log to see what happening in back like we do in android
[13:38] <BluesKaj> 'morning @ri5h46h
[13:40] <BluesKaj> checkdisk can sometimes change the data location on corrupted disk ands possibly lose it. ddrescue is a better alternative
 @BluesKaj, is it a windows software ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> no
[13:41] <BluesKaj> ddrescue can work on a windows parttion from linux
[13:42] <BluesKaj> afaik
 @BluesKaj, works with ntfs too ?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> yes , ddrescue is abit for bit transfer
[13:49] <BluesKaj> https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html
 @BluesKaj, thanks
[15:21] <kirvesAxe> I've installed synaptic on 20.04 and I want to make it my default packet manager and get rid of discover. Should I adjust some settings before I remove all plasma-discover.* packages?
[16:13] <vlctester> vlc problm
[16:14] <vlctester> vlc repeat filmintro
[16:14] <vlctester> but why?
[16:14] <vlctester> how to solve problem?
[17:33] <SirFooBar> Hello, after unplugging my box, and plugging it back in, Xorg fails to start. I can get to sddm without issues, but it hangs once I hit cairrage return. I have a nvidia GPU, and I suspect that the Nvidia drivers are the culprit. I have already reset xorg.conf, and there was no change. I run Kubuntu 20.10, and up until now, I haven't had any issues
[17:33] <SirFooBar> like this.
[17:33] <SirFooBar> *carriage
[17:43] <SirFooBar> This place is really inactive I see.
[17:45] <kirvesAxe> nowadays, a bit too many places in IRC are :(
[18:02] <SirFooBar> kirvesaxe do you think you can help with my little predicament?
[18:08] <kirvesAxe> SirFooBar, not my expertise, sorry :/
[18:09] <kirvesAxe> (I'm still waiting if someone would happen to answer the question I asked two hours prior to you :)
[18:10] <SirFooBar> I may be able to answer, could you send it?
[18:12] <kirvesAxe> I've installed synaptic on 20.04 and I want to make it my default packet manager and get rid of discover. Should I adjust some settings before I remove all plasma-discover.* packages?
[18:16] <SirFooBar> kirvesAxe I don't recommend that you remove discover completely; do you want synaptic to give you automatic update notifications?
[18:16] <SirFooBar> if so, you could disable the discover service
[18:16] <SirFooBar> and leave synaptic enabled
[18:17] <SirFooBar> you should be able to make synaptic the default package manager for opening .deb files as well as applinks.
[18:17] <kirvesAxe> So you're not helpping :)
[18:18] <SirFooBar> Okay, so you just want discover plain gone?
[18:20] <SirFooBar> I would make sure that synaptic is working properly, and then run "sudo apt remove plasma-discover" and check synaptic again. If it is still  working, run "sudo apt purge --autoremove"
[18:21] <kirvesAxe> Well nobody needs two packet managers, I'm only asking just in case there's some system integration that might fail somewhere if I do this the wrong way :)
[18:22] <SirFooBar> There should not be a problem, because kde plasma can run without Discover. Unless your OS install is broken already and you don't know about it, you should be fine.
[18:25] <SirFooBar> kirvesAxe The only way that I can guarantee that you won't run into problems, is to not remove Discover, and just use Synaptic as your default.
[18:27] <SirFooBar> Of course if you were going to remove Discover, and you still want update notifications, you should install "update-manager"
[18:28] <SirFooBar> Both Discover and Synaptic do the exact same thing as apt. They are basically wrappers.
[18:55] <SirFooBar> Also if anybody saw my question, I solved it myself, because I was being dumb and did not think to remove .Xauthority
[18:55] <SirFooBar> It is fixed now
[21:04] <mturg> my brave tool bar icon doesn't display but still works as if still there?


[07:09] <Oloryn_lt2> I just got a Mythbuntu 12.04 system set up.  I've got the capture card configured, I've gotten hooked up with Schedules Direct, I've even got Mythmote working.  Everything looks to be working except: I can't schedule recordings.  I go to the Program Guide, select a program, it brings up the screen with all of the recording options, I set it to record, set other options, and select 'Save'.  Nothing gets saved, the program still shows 'not recording
[07:38] <Oloryn_lt2> Ah, got it.  I changed the backend ip address to the static address for the machine, but left the master backend address as <IP_ADDRESS>.  Changed the master backend address, too, and recording is working fine.
[07:38] <Zinn> [<IP_ADDRESS>] N/A


[07:33] <Unit193> Urgh, so 7th is RC day, I suppose I should be respinning stuff then?
[21:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: that should be fine... I think we finally got everything in
[23:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: I thought DarkTrick had a last fix for greybird?
[23:43] <DarkTrick> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/pull/306
[23:43] <DarkTrick> (Just in case you take it in)
[23:45] <Unit193> I think it might be too late.


[08:39] <duflu> alan_g: Is Jenkins usually present or need to be requested on devel-mir-next? Seems it was present on one proposal but not the other
[08:40] <alan_g> duflu: it isn't set up for devel-mir-next
[08:40] <alan_g> maybe it ought to be
[08:41] <duflu> alan_g: Might be handy, but the process is already pretty indirect. Jenkins will always be gatekeeper in the end as things eventually get proposed to lp:qtmir
[08:41] <duflu> In the branches prior to that, less important
[08:49] <duflu> greyback_: Hey did U8/QtMir get its own screencasting tool?
[08:50] <greyback_> duflu: qt has it built-in
[08:51] <duflu> greyback_: Handy. Got a bin name?
[08:53] <greyback_> duflu: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qscreen.html#grabWindow is the method, is platform dependent. It's not a standalone tool tho.
[08:54] <duflu> greyback_: Kay nevermind. Just noticed the output format of mirscreencast has changed and I thought that might be to support some tool/script that can use it
[08:55] <greyback_> duflu: of that I've no idea. It wasn't done for Qt's sake anyway
[08:55] <duflu> The new format is theoretically less awkward but I don't know any mplayer/vlc incantation that can use it
[08:56] <duflu> Unlike the old format
[08:58] <duflu> greyback_: In other news, I've been playing with input resampling again, on the client side this time. Seems there's reasonable gain to be had if you implement app-specific resampling. If Qt has this, we should try it
[08:59] <greyback_> duflu: qt has it's own input resampling indeed
[09:00] <duflu> greyback_: Great. But if it's not turned on then turning off Mir's would be bad
[09:00] <greyback_> but as unity8 written in qt, it means unity8 will be doing the resampling
[09:00] <greyback_> it's turned on by default I believe (I don't think it can be turned off actually...)
[09:01] <duflu> greyback_: Oh, so it just didn't exist back when Mir got resampling?
[09:01] <greyback_> duflu: correct, it only appeared in qt5.4
[09:01] <duflu> That definitely needs testing then.
[09:02] <duflu> greyback_: Oh.  It was committed before the 5.3 release.
[09:21] <greyback_> duflu: it was a guess
[09:24] <duflu> Actually committed around the same time as 5.3 released. So probably 5.3
[09:24] <duflu> Probably 5.4
[09:25] <greyback_> duflu: found the branch in the qtdeclarative repo, it landed in 5.4
[09:25] <duflu> greyback_: OK, retesting on a phone now
[09:42] <duflu> greyback_: Yeah I think there is some benefit. At least scrolling is smoother than the default 55Hz. But we already knew that was a problem and fixed it in 0.13. Still, I think when Mir gets a client function to toggle resampling it's probably time to default to off
[09:52] <greyback> bloody wifi
[09:52] <greyback> duflu: what situations would a client want non-sampled input?
[09:53] <duflu> greyback: If it can do a better job by virtue of its own multi-layered design (e.g. fingerpaint and coming soon: mir_demo_client_target).
[09:54] <duflu> And games no doubt
[09:54] <greyback> okies
[09:55] <duflu> greyback: Basically anything that can process multiple input events (well) per frame
[09:55] <RAOF> Such as Qt :)
[10:01] <duflu> RAOF: Isn't it Easter for you already?
[13:38] <kgunn> kdub: alf_ worth reading greyback_ and duflu's scrollback ^^
[13:38] <kgunn> drives me crazy, we need to stop saying "that looks better" and measure
[13:39] <greyback_> +1
[13:40] <greyback_> QML_NO_TOUCH_COMPRESSION=1 will disable Qt's input "compression"
[13:41] <kdub> yeah, it seems its valuable to configure mir's input sampling
[13:41] <kdub> and also, +1 to quantified discussions of course
[13:43] <alf_> kgunn: +1 for measure, but... there is still the unknown factor of things actually getting to the screen which we don't have a good way to measure, and essentially that is what counts
[13:43] <kdub> alf_, I guess thats what that python+lttng stuff was intended to make easier?
[13:45] <alf_> kdub: we can get closer with these, but there still may be issues in the display stack/hardware that we don't control
[13:45] <tvoss> alf_, not sure we should block on that bit
[13:45] <alf_> kdub: bottom line I guess is that "looks/feels better" is a valid, though subjective, metric
[13:45] <kdub> alf_, sure, but we won't ever control that, and we have to start measuring somewhere :)
[13:45] <alf_> tvoss: not saying that we should
[13:46] <tvoss> alf_, if there is a significance difference between what is visible and what the numbers tell us -> big issue
[13:46] <tvoss> alf_, kdub is Mir's resampling code instrumented such that we can do measurements on that?
[13:47] <kdub> anpok?
[13:47] <anpok> hm
[13:47] <anpok> the resampling itself has not clear enter exit points afaik
[13:47] <anpok> s/not/no
[13:47] <tvoss> alf_, kdub I also noticed that we introduced a magic constant 55 Hz there. The original android approach allows the client to pass in the timestamp of the start of the last render pass, which makes a lot more sense
[13:48] <tvoss> anpok, I'm pretty sure it has on the client side
[13:48] <anpok> tvoss: well there is one point where it starts, to accumulate and another where it will send stuff.. I belive either of the points is missing
[13:48] <anpok> but I might be wrong
[13:48] <tvoss> not sure I understand that statement
[13:49] <tvoss> anpok, mind pointing me to the tests for the resampling?
[13:51] <anpok> we only have received_event .. and not event_passed_to_event_delegate
[13:51] <anpok> as a trace point


[05:22] <Tante> Santi Novianti Add FB me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/ twitter (@santinovianti22) Butuh Teman cuhat :(
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[19:57] <thumper> morning
[22:18] <hazmat> thumper-afk, welcome back
[22:54] <thumper> hazmat: hey, how's tricks?
[22:54] <thumper> hazmat: any magic news from ODS?
[22:54] <hazmat> thumper, ods.. isn't for a few bit.. scale is going on now..
[22:54] <hazmat> and mwc
[22:55] <hazmat> re scale .. jcastro and marcoceppi are out there.. https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale12x/presentations
[22:55]  * thumper thinks
[22:55] <thumper> wasn't there something last week?
[22:55] <thumper> ah...
[22:55] <thumper> I'm a sprint ahead of myself
[22:55] <thumper> ODS is after the *next* sprint
[22:55] <hazmat> thumper, yup
[22:56] <hazmat> thumper, how was the vacation?
[22:56] <thumper> hazmat: great, spent the whole time doing python and javascript :)
[22:56] <thumper> was not really a do nothing holiday :)
[22:57] <thumper> got a whole heap done
[22:57] <hazmat> thumper,  right on.. still beats.. working crazy hrs on customer stuff...  what kind of js?
[22:57] <thumper> webapp, backbone, jquery
[22:57] <hazmat> cool
[22:57] <thumper> committed a fix to bootstrap-datetimepicker
[22:58] <thumper> found the bug and actually fixed it and submitted github pull request
[22:58] <hazmat> the new sexy on js seems to be facebook react.js and .. angular has a lot of steam.
[22:58] <thumper> made it into trunk in less than 24 hours
[22:58] <hazmat> nice
[22:58] <thumper> I'm less into sexy and more into functional that I can get my head around
[22:58] <hazmat> but backbone.. is simple and functional
[22:58] <thumper> if this idea pays off
[22:58] <thumper> the company can hire someone to fix my shitty javascript
[22:59] <hazmat> iterate.. early and often
[22:59] <thumper> I figure that any sufficiently successful SaaS / webapp system will be rewritten at least two or three times
[23:04] <thumper> I'm still trawling through my emails from the week not looking at them
[23:21] <thumper> wallyworld: hi
[23:21] <wallyworld> gday
[23:21] <thumper> wallyworld: got a few minutes to chat?
[23:21] <wallyworld> good break?
[23:21] <wallyworld> sure
[23:21] <thumper> gimmie a few minutes, then hangout
[23:22] <wallyworld> ok


[23:48] <arter> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu Budgie 17.10
[23:48] <arter> And the screen keeps rotating when I move my laptop
[23:49] <arter> So I looked it up, and apparently there is a way to disable auto rotation using dconf-editor
[23:49] <arter> But somehow my screen just flips upside down on startup
[23:50] <arter> Any ideas?
[23:50] <arter> Sometimes even during normal usage it seems to flip (although this is pretty irregular)


 the ibus default settings changed in 20.10 which probably makes that start if it is installed. apt-get purge ibus should get rid of it after upgrade if you don't want it. we only need ibus-data package installed for the plasma emoji-picker to work, but in 20.04 that pulled all of ibus. in 20.10 the dependency has been fixed, so you won't see any of this on a new install.
 that should probably be added to the release/upgrade notes
 Hi folks, I'm on Kubuntu 18.04 with 4 GB of ram and i3 2.2 GHz CPU. It becomes very sluggish if, e.g. if I have more than 10 browser tabs and running a node based dev environment. Should I be upgrading to 20.04 or 20.10?
 @abhishekbatra, Wait till they push an update
[04:09] <guiverc> @abhishekbatra, I'd try and upgrade your ram if you can
[04:12] <Maik> and try to reduce the swappiness, the more swap is being used the more sluggish the system can become
 All good advice, I did try 20.04 earlier this year and it was almost unusable for me.
[04:16] <Maik> by now most bugs should be squashed in 20.04.1, i don't run Kubuntu though but main Ubuntu runs just fine
 @Maik, Do you have a similar hardware configuration as mine?
[04:18] <Maik> @abhishekbatra i have a older Lenovo Thinkpad T410 with a i5 processor and 4GB of RAM on which i run main Ubuntu
 Seems worth trying out again
[04:28] <Maik> @abhishekbatra it's always better to wait for the first point release when using LTS
 Yeah. Force upgrade is buggy for me
 @Maik, Thanks for sharing that!
 @YesEyeCan, What would you recommend?
[04:29] <Maik> @abhishekbatra you're most welcome
 @abhishekbatra, Stay with 19 LTS
 @YesEyeCan, You mean 18.04? 19 won't be LTS
[04:32] <Maik> @YesEyeCan 19 is no LTS
[04:32] <Maik> and both are EOL anyway
[04:33] <Maik> 20.04 is the latest LTS, 22.04 will be the next
 Oh well
[04:41] <Maik> LTS releases come every two years :)
 Yeah 18 then
 I'm confused
[04:43] <Maik> nothing to be confused about :D
 I feel like I might change to other distro
 20 is bugging me out
 Random display turning off, random screen glitching out
[04:44] <Maik> troubleshoot it and file bug reports so it can get fixed, changing distro's isn't really helpful
 How do I troubleshoot? I'm not sure how to get logs either
[04:46] <Maik> the web is yours and i bet your search engine isn't broken all of the sudden now, is it? ;)
[04:46] <Maik> besides that, every distro has it's pro's and cons
 Sup
 All flavours of Ubuntu run fine on my lenovo miix 320 tablet with 2gb/32gb configuration.
 I used it for sales productivity. Run email, hubspot and slack on it.
 I am using kubuntu lts 20.04 now.
 @sammy_v, Nice
 How many browser tabs do you generally have open?
 I intelligently use 2 browsers. Chrome for work and Mozilla for personal use. I keep 4-5 tabs open in each. I can use both simultaneously. The system does not hang in this case.
 Hubspot plugin works only on chrome.
 Hence I cannot use opera.
 If you prefer only 1 browser. Try opera. It's light and fast compared to chrome and mozilla
 @sammy_v, I'll take a leaf out of popular culture and say "smort"
 Hahaha
[08:05] <IrcsomeBot1> Empire201_Off was added by: Empire201_Off
 Hi
 Battery status in system tray is false detection?
[09:10] <IrcsomeBot1> licencode was added by: licencode
 @Empire201_Off, Please elaborate on the issue you are facing
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1kEiBhaQ/file_37959.jpg Second under the battery Battery status which is in Hungarian Akkumulátor állapota....
 @abhishekbatra
 That is likely the battery capacity
 @Empire201_Off, For example if the max rating was 100 Wh, it will only provide a maximum of 84 Wh currently
 And if it goes down to zero then what will happen? Does this indicate exactly?
 @Empire201_Off, As time passes the amount of power a battery can deliver keeps reducing, so at some point if it hypothetically goes down to zero, it won't provide any power backup, and you'll have to run your computer on AC power.
 @abhishekbatra, If I understand correctly if it is zero then it has little? Or can it only be used with a charger?
 @Empire201_Off, Then it will only work with a charger
 But does Kubuntu accurately indicate this and not write false data?
 I haven't faced any false data reporting
 It's actually not even ubuntu, probably some power related module in linux
 They get that data from the battery directly if I remember correctly
 When I first received my laptop from a retailer, the battery's capacity was at 87%
 I think it's quite common
 Interesting topic .... Then it's built into the kernel! Brilliant.
 @Empire201_Off, You should get in touch with a hardware expert to get better details
 @abhishekbatra, Windows I think has taken a lot of capacity
 @abhishekbatra, All right! Thanks!
 22th At what time will the new version come out?
 @Maik, I forgot to mention I have zram configured. What would be the recommended swappiness in that case?
[10:45] <Maik> zram is only useful on machines with 2 GB or less RAM afaik
[10:45] <Maik> swappiness should be reduced to 10 or 5 on machines with 4GB RAM
[10:46] <Maik> standard swappiness after a buntu install is set to 60
[10:46] <Maik> by default
[10:46] <Wenz> A bit ambitious, but any method to get the icon only 5.20 task bar in 20.04 ?
 @Maik, Testing it out with 10 now
[10:49] <Maik> rightclick on the taskbar and look at the alternatives Wenz
[10:49] <Maik> it's been a option since i don't know when
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JFBwx2Xb/file_37960.png
[10:49] <Wenz> That is great @Maik
[10:50] <Maik> :)
[10:52] <Wenz> This is briliant :thumbsup:
[10:52] <Wenz> :)
[10:54] <Wenz> Got to go. Thanks
[11:10] <user|98486> Is interface bonding possible in kubuntu
[11:13] <Maik> user|98486: https://www.tecmint.com/configure-network-bonding-teaming-in-ubuntu/
[11:13] <Maik> there are more results when Googleing for it
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <Wenz> Anyone reported the Kscreen2 bug yet ?
[13:41] <Wenz> it keeps pestering even when there is no external display introduced
 @sammy_v, Thats pretty cool. Is that a convertible laptop?
 Hey blueskaj
[13:42] <BluesKaj> @Swift110, hi
 @Swift110, It's10.1 inch tablet. Tablet can detach from keyboard.
[13:44] <Maik> Wenz: check launchpad for bug reports on it
 How r u blueskaj
[14:14] <BluesKaj> r u ?
[14:14] <swift110> im great BluesKaj
[14:16] <BluesKaj> !u | @swift110
[14:17] <swift110> sorry about that
[14:17] <BluesKaj> get used to using real words on irc
[14:18] <Maik> lol... after all these years on IRC you don't tell me you didn't know about that
[14:18] <Maik> :D
[14:19] <BluesKaj> that's not the point Maik, and you know it:-)
[14:19] <Maik> true but somehow to me it is
[15:25] <luisgomez78> 2
[19:11] <nescius> hello, do you know how to setup kde apps to look like gnome-shell applications?
[19:12] <nescius> i am using adwaita-dark and cannot seem to get the same in KDE apps
[19:18] <oerheks> nescius, use the adwaita-dark-kde theme ? https://store.kde.org/p/1335337/
[19:18] <oerheks> plasma themes are different
[19:18] <oerheks> or adwaita-qt
[19:24] <nescius> oerheks: thanks! adwaita-dark-kde does not show same colours as gtk apps (its less reddish) but i will try the adwaita-qt thing
[19:25] <nescius> and its wierd because I was unable to find that particular background colour anywhere in the detailed config
 Guys, where do you add the basic icons on your desktop? (Home, Computer, Trash)
[19:35] <valorie> ugh, for the "guys"
[19:35] <valorie> please
[19:35] <valorie> we're not all guys
[19:38]  * woozalia is also non-guy (to the extent that it matters)
 Can you not bring in senseless gender arguments and focus on the question instead
[19:42] <diogenes_> 'guys' is interchengeable for both genders.
[20:20] <valorie> diogenes_: we try to be inclusive here
[20:20] <valorie> "guys" does not include ME
[20:21] <valorie> I very often help with specific questions here
[20:21] <valorie> and don't very often protest language'
[20:22] <valorie> it is NOT inclusive language
 Don't do that here. This is Kubuntu support, not gender protest support
[22:29] <tomreyn> inclusive speech still seems desirable in a community like this, i would think.
 I'd think so to.
 too


[12:07] <juliank> OK, so I'm currently building in launchpad translation support into the apt package (cmake branch) as that was broken for some time.
[12:08] <juliank> The idea is to create the per-domain POT files in launchpad/${domain}.pot somewhere in the build directory
[12:09] <juliank> Those are special files just for launchpad: Compared to the normal per-domain POT files, they contain a header (the normal POT files do not as that makes the build unreproducible)
[12:12] <juliank> Ah, strip-nondeterminism already strips it away for us, so I can just add headers ...
[15:55] <pkern> ScottK: Could I ask you to sponsor it? ;)
[16:02] <ScottK> Maybe later, but not now.
[16:23] <pkern> Laney: Actually you uploaded apache2 to trusty-backports. Fancy sponsoring a security fix for it?
[16:35] <sveinse> How do I prevent dh_clean from cleaning a directory? That is, the -Xdir/ options does so, but how do I permanently set an option to dh_clean from within the debian/ directory?
[17:21] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/1610714 => How to get this into xenial? :)
[18:05] <jbicha> dupondje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:06] <cjwatson> sveinse: debian/clean
[19:40] <dupondje> ok, added the needed info to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/1610714 :)
[19:40] <dupondje> dunno who can give it some love now :)
[20:20] <sveinse> cjwatson: The docs tells med debian/clean is the exact opposite: it specifies what extra dirs to clean, not what to omit from cleaning, doesn't it?
[21:34] <cjwatson> sveinse: Er, sorry, yes, brain failure.  In that case there is no way to do what you are asking for; it is usual to just add an override_dh_clean target that runs dh_clean -Xdir/.


[06:06] <valorie> KDE is a community that makes software, including Plasma, Frameworks, and lots and lots of apps
[06:07] <valorie> Kwin is the window manager although you can use it with other systems besides Plasma
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 OK I hate that I even have to ask this but how do I change the icon for an app that is missing an icon. I am use to being able to right click and set via its.  desktop file.
 Thanks that was not where I was expecting it.
 I think it should be possible in both locations.. My intuition tells me right click directly on icon in app menu is where it should be :).. If KDE is attempting to make it easy for a normal user.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> KDE is easy, it's logical, like anything else once one uses kde for as while the sense behind it become apparent
[13:29] <BluesKaj> as = a
 BluesKaj: I love KDE but for me a desktop should be as intuitive as any user might use it. But I get it you got to use it for a while to figure it out.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Barika, exactly :-)
 So I changed the icon it shows fine in menu but only shows fine on latte dock when I first launch the app after reboot its just a result icon with X in it.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I just use quicklaunch in the panel, I don't bother with docking
 BlueKaj: Yeah but I like how dock functions.. It keeps all my apps off taskbar and allows me to quickly access items that are running multiple instances.. Like I might have several Firefox  windows running. I like how it shows me dots for number of instances running I can hover and pick what I want to access.
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Barika, I have no need for multiple instances , except of course tabs in chrome, and any active apps are in the "icons only task manager"
[16:16] <madLyfe> i have 3 monitors, the lock screen shows 3 replicated lock screens. is it possible to have just one lock screen on the primary monitor?
[16:16] <madLyfe> well, show only the login parts on the primary monitor.
 currently not
[16:27] <madLyfe> you talking to me?
 yes
 BluesKaj: Maybe a video uploaded to streamable showing your workflow might help..
[16:35] <BluesKaj> I don't work anymore , I'm retired so being home user my needs are totally different then a production machine
[16:35] <BluesKaj> than
 Still ok be nice to see how you utlize the system.
 Screen Edges option for present  windows greyed out. Is there somewhere these need enabled like the grid?
[17:48] <madLyfe> is it possible to have my primary monitor be the monitor where its the active login monitor?
[17:50] <BootScout> hola cabrones! cada vez es más difícil unirse a este pinche canal
[17:50] <BootScout> so
[17:51] <BootScout> I am using /home partition and / partition...and wondering how to smoothly upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
[17:53] <BootScout> also I have a little flaw in my /home partition...
[17:53] <BootScout> a folder
[17:54] <BootScout> home/PersonalFolder/usr/src
[17:54] <diogenes_> !es | BootScout
[17:54] <BootScout> I think that folder should not be there at all...am I wrong?
[17:54] <BootScout> I don't chat with bots
[17:55] <BootScout> from now on I will keep my spanish for my madre
[17:56] <BootScout> hello?
[17:56] <BootScout> bussy people
[17:57] <diogenes_> BootScout, i'd suggest re-installation
[17:57] <BootScout> I wonder where have all the good times gone...
[17:57] <BootScout> oh?
[17:57] <BootScout> really?
[17:58] <BootScout> I use intensively the home partition
[17:58] <diogenes_> and?
[17:58] <BootScout> won't  re-installing make me lose it?
[17:59] <BootScout> oh no
[17:59] <BootScout> I see
[17:59] <BootScout> sure
[17:59] <BootScout> it might be compatible right?
[17:59] <BootScout> with the new version...
[17:59] <diogenes_> BootScout, if you got a separate partition for /home then you're fine
[17:59] <diogenes_> just reassing it as home and don't forget NOT to mark for formatting
[17:59] <BootScout> reinstalling is best then
[18:00] <BootScout> hmmm
[18:00] <BootScout> but
[18:00] <BootScout> I use a dual boot aswell
[18:00] <BootScout> with win10
[18:01] <diogenes_> BUT, there is a but, before re-installation, i'd advice to remove all the .file and .folder from /home, you can backup some configs for apps you use most and go ahead re-installing
[18:01] <BootScout> so you suggest me to burn a cd or usb with the new lts and reinstall it
[18:01] <diogenes_> and dual boot won't be an issue
[18:01] <BootScout> I see
[18:01] <diogenes_> i'd suggest a usb
[18:02] <BootScout> I successfully upgrade an ubuntu from 16.04 to 18.04 but not a kubuntu that's why I was asking here
[18:03] <BootScout> the other thing holding my horses is...the nvidia driver
[18:03] <BootScout> I know I installed the propietary driver...
[18:03] <BootScout> and I recall a strong advice about that...
[18:03] <BootScout> and I bet they still didn't fix that part
[18:04] <diogenes_>  i use nouveau so i don't care about nvidia proprietary crap
[18:04] <diogenes_> but i guess it won't be an issue
[18:04] <BootScout> I see
[18:06] <BootScout> so you don't trust the 'there is a new Kubuntu version available, do you want to upgrade now?' message huh?
[18:06] <BootScout> why so?¿
[18:07] <madLyfe> how does one only show notification popups on the main monitor? i have 3 and a panel on each so i get the same notification that pops up on all 3.
[18:07] <BootScout> hah
[18:08] <diogenes_> i didn't say i don't trust, but i just suggested the more precise way that can skip you some minor issues that can occur after the upgrade
[18:08] <BootScout> and sms to mobile phone¿
[18:08] <diogenes_> especially if we taking about nvidia prorpietary
[18:08] <BootScout> okay
[18:08] <BootScout> you win
[18:08] <BootScout> I will follow that advice
[18:08] <BootScout> but not today...
[18:09] <BootScout> it is twilight again...
[18:09] <BootScout> thank you very much!
[18:09] <BootScout> it's been nice meeting you
[18:09] <BootScout> byeee
[18:18] <BootScout> diogenes_ there is one more thing though
[18:18] <diogenes_> ?
[18:18] <BootScout> I am using Mysql the old LAMP thingy
[18:19] <BootScout> and I have several db running
[18:19] <BootScout> so now  that I think twice...I don't like your advice
[18:20] <diogenes_> then why upgrading?
[18:20] <BootScout> mysql version compatibility is a pain
[18:20] <diogenes_> what you don't like about your current setup?
[18:20] <diogenes_> oh i see
[18:20] <BootScout> time
[18:20] <BootScout> lts ending
[18:20] <diogenes_> then you're on your own, try upgrading
[18:20] <BootScout> I like the distant horizon of the new lts support
[18:21] <BootScout> upgrading would in theory keep my mysql installation wouldn't it?
[18:21] <diogenes_> i'm not aware about the server stuff so i can't help you there
[18:23] <BootScout> okay
[18:23] <BootScout> and for activities?
[18:23] <BootScout> kubuntu activities are cool
[18:23] <BootScout> I have about 10 different activities in my desktop
[18:23] <BootScout> are they still a thing in the new lts?
[18:24] <BootScout> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyEDyNQmpms
[18:24] <BootScout> Miedo a volar
[18:25] <diogenes_> you can read the release notes
[18:25] <BootScout> :-)
[18:25] <BootScout> I ll go fetching my 3d glasses
[18:25] <diogenes_> lol
[18:26] <BootScout> common don't tell me you don't like my shadow
[18:26] <BootScout> the sun is killer these days
[18:27] <BootScout> but you know what?
[18:28] <diogenes_> ?
[18:28] <BootScout> we have a daring robot heading to it
[18:28] <BootScout> with nothing but a sunscreen
[18:34] <BootScout> just a note for iliterate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_and_Alexander (4 line in the original anecdote paragraph)
[21:06] <Fritigern> Poop. I have just updated from Bionic to the devlopment bersion of Cosmic but now Pulseaudio won't run. Manually starting it with pulseaudio -D & did not work.
[23:01] <keithzg[m]> Huh, did Calligra Flow get dropped at some point? I see calligraflow-data, and I've installed literally every Calligra package, but I don't seem to have Calligra Flow here on Bionic.