[09:50] <djm62> shoken: you can, or you can get kubuntu
[09:50] <aladdin_> HappyFool, ... k now configure goes further (so our thing worked). I get a new error: can't find zlib. Gues I try to install it from synaptic too....
[09:50] <osity> im setting up the partitions.
[09:50] <aVeedo> is that configured correctly?  Like,
[09:50] <aVeedo>         Order allow,deny 		allow from all
[09:50] <pjw> Hi, Can I choose packages during Ubuntu installation?
[09:50] <shoken> ok, must be a package i think...
[09:50] <aVeedo> no
[09:50] <HappyFool> aladdin_: get djm62 to help you with that "apt-get build-dep" thing
[09:50] <djm62> aladdin: if you can type "sudo apt-get build-depends gwenview" at a command line
[09:50] <aVeedo> you have to do that after the install, pjw
[09:51] <shoken> well, good evening all, and thx a lot :)
[09:51] <Nibr> I installed a package called Xampp..
[09:51] <xc> do I need to reboot after running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[09:51] <HappyFool> djm62: i think it's build-dep, and when i tried that it complaing about needing extra entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:51] <aVeedo> Niber, by IP do you mean internal or external?
[09:51] <aladdin_> djm62, k I'll do
[09:51] <Nibr> External
[09:51] <hypa7ia> has anyone received their cd's yet?
[09:52] <HappyFool> xc: you should be able to restart X with Ctrl-Backspace (I think)
[09:52] <aVeedo> You have a roughter that's configured to your internal?
[09:52] <Nibr> To access the pages from the internet
[09:52] <aVeedo> Try just in the network and tell me if that works.  ifconfig
[09:52] <HappyFool> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[09:52] <aVeedo> if it works inside the network then you just have to work w/ your roughter
[09:53] <aladdin_> djm62, ... by the way configure is asking for zilb, which is installed (zlib1g) do you think it's a good thing to install thde dev package too?
[09:53] <djm62> aladdin_: yes
[09:53] <ivoks> ok...
[09:53] <aladdin_> djm62, k doing so..
[09:55] <ivoks> hello
[09:55] <djm62> aladdin_: on my machine "sudo apt-get build-dep gwenview" gets all the dependencies
[09:56] <osity> raid expereince anyone?
[09:56] <ivoks> me
[09:56] <aladdin_> djm62, guess I should have listened earlier... I'm like that sometimes  :o|
[09:56] <ivoks> osity what's up?
[09:56] <osity> ivoks hi,,,,
[09:56] <osity> i am setting up raid 1 with the partioner
[09:56] <ivoks> osity scsi or sata raid?
[09:56] <djm62> aladdin_: I was misspelling it earlier ;)
[09:56] <aVeedo> so can anybody help me get php configured?
[09:56] <ivoks> osity oh, software raid?
[09:56] <osity> and it fails to create
[09:56] <osity> yes
[09:57] <xc> logging out and logging back in should restart X too, right?
[09:57] <aVeedo> yes
[09:57] <JDahl> aVeedo, normally you dont have to configure it, just install libapache-mod-php4
[09:57] <xc> this is frustrating... I just can't set my screen refresh rate to anything else than 60 hz
[09:58] <aladdin_> djm62, ok that's it I'm going for your  "sudo apt-get build-dep gwenview" command, configure keeps asking me for new dependdencies . lol
[09:58] <JDahl> xc, if you just did a major upgrade, maybe you need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:58] <djm62> xc: have you googled your monitor name and xf86config?
[09:59] <djm62> it sounds like your monitor is inadequately detected
[09:59] <xc> JDahl, I just did that, with no effect (even though I chose 85hz in the setup process)
[09:59] <amonkey> ut2004 just stopped working recently. i click join and it freezes. how can i watch for output to see what's going wrong?
[09:59] <xc> no djm62, gonna do that now
[09:59] <aVeedo> JDahl, it was already installed and I just reinstalled it.
[10:01] <aVeedo> ok, that did it.  firefox was just looking at its cache
[10:01] <aVeedo> thanks
[10:02] <djm62> libxrandr-dev? gwenview must be fearsome
[10:02] <aladdin_> djm62, mouhahaha! 59 packages to install... would have been long 1 at the time! thx guess this will do the job.  Gwenrename is basically a batch renaming scheme for gwenview.  You know what: the more I use Ubuntu (well Kubuntu) the more I love it.  Finaly I can run real apps that won't Winblow!
[10:03] <djm62> aladdin_: yeah, I tested the command and replied "N" to downloading the complete KDE developer stuff
[10:03] <UnreA|L> how shutdown computer from terminal
[10:03] <UnreA|L> ?
[10:04] <thenuke> UnreA|L:sudo shutdown -h now
[10:04] <djm62> UnreA|L: shutdown -h now
[10:04] <aladdin_> djm62, tried gnome (Ubuntu) and liked it too. But am more the K style :o)
[10:04] <benz240> is there a way to uninstall something
[10:04] <UnreA|L> Thanks ;)
[10:04] <benz240> such as the 386 kernel?
[10:04] <thenuke> benz240: apt-get remove
[10:04] <benz240> k
[10:04] <thenuke> benz240: or do it with synaptic
[10:04] <thenuke> right click and choose remove or something
[10:04] <Bukkake> sudo shutdown -h now? What's the "-h" for?
[10:05] <djm62> I like KDE on knoppix...otherwise it just doesn't quite seem right to me
[10:05] <djm62> Bukkake: halt
[10:05] <djm62> Bukkake: rather than -r for restart for instance
[10:05] <Bukkake> So without the -h . . . it won't completely shutdown? o.0
[10:05] <djm62> try it ;)
[10:05] <thenuke> then you can press the power switch
[10:06] <thenuke> if it does not..
[10:06] <Bukkake> I have, it doesn't . . .
[10:06] <thenuke> with ATX PSU I guess it does powerdown by itself
[10:06] <thenuke> "-h     Halt or poweroff after shutdown." says the man page of shutdown
[10:06] <Bukkake> Yep, that's what I do . . . and I deemed from that point on -- to shut it down physically
[10:06] <Bukkake> Ahh
[10:07] <ThomasWinwood> What are the advantages and disadvantages of running as root?
[10:07] <Bukkake> ThomasWinwood: "advantage" would be that you can do "everything" . . . disadvantage: not safe
[10:08] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: as root you can break stuff without thinking too hard
[10:08] <Burgundavia> ThomasWinwood, there are no advantages
[10:08] <ThomasWinwood> Because it gets tedious to type "sudo" before every command.
[10:08] <jacobW> hey guys
[10:08] <aladdin_> djm62, what I love the most is that I've been trying for a very long time to run a http server (undern Windows) but it just wouldn't work with all I needed... Unless paying ($) alot. Now: wow! I just installed a Mambo php routine on my server and I am having the fun of my life.
[10:08] <HappyFool> wait until you really break something
[10:08] <Burgundavia> ThomasWinwood, windows runs as root, that is all you need to think about
[10:08] <HappyFool> it will seem less tedious
[10:08] <ThomasWinwood> "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" "gedit: error: permission denied" "...&$$^&^*(%"
[10:08] <Bukkake> ThomasWinwood: About 2 weeks ago, as a nub (I still am a nub) I started irssi with root . . . yeah . . . and uhh, things didn't go that well after that. Only login as root when you need it
[10:09] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: sudo bash, and leave a root shell running in a terminal, if it bothers you so much
[10:09] <Bukkake> Or use another virtual terminal for that? (..heh, nothing wrong with that, right?)
[10:09] <mirak> libemotion0:
[10:09] <mirak>   Depends: libxine1 (>=1.0.1) but 1.0-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[10:09] <ivoks> djm62 sudo bash? :))
[10:09] <ivoks> djm62 sudo -s
[10:09] <mirak> I got that error
[10:09] <DXT> Hello, how can I make Evolution show Fri/Sat instead of Sat/Sun in a single column in month view?
[10:09] <mirak> I don't understand what it means exactly
[10:09] <djm62> ivoks: new one on me?
[10:09] <mirak> in english
[10:10] <jacobW> ive been running FC3 i wanted to try another 64 bit distro....so i tried ubuntu
[10:10] <aladdin_> djm62, and I just can't believe how fast gcc compiles an app on my PIII   :o)
[10:10] <jacobW> does any one know how to update im uused to rpms
[10:10] <djm62> ivoks: cheers...I only used sudo on ubuntu
[10:10] <ThomasWinwood> RPMs can be converted to deb format with alien -i name
[10:10] <ivoks> djm62 it's better to use root's default shell, than force it to use XYZ shell
[10:11] <HappyFool> you can update by doing "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[10:11] <jacobW> what media player dp you guys sugjest
[10:11] <HappyFool> but you need to have /etc/apt/sources.list setup first
[10:11] <djp> jacobW: i just use the default players under hoary
[10:11] <djm62> jacobW: rhythmbox for tunes
[10:12] <djp> jacobW: many recommend xmms for music and mplayer for everything else
[10:12] <MidnightDevil> hi, my ut2004 doesnt play any sound, but xmms works fine, when i run alsamixer i get to configure some other card instead of my audigy, anyway to change the default sndcard?
[10:12] <djm62> jacobW: mplayer is good for video stuff
[10:12] <smouche> does anyone know why there aren't any channel ops in #kubuntu, but there always seem to be several in here? just cause there are more folks logged in here?
[10:12] <jacobW> i allways use xine and it worked verry well for me but that is because th FC distro have now way to play mp3s
[10:13] <djp> jacobW: the only extra players i have installed are timidity for midi and sidplay for sid tunes
[10:13] <jacobW> tar ball?
[10:13] <djm62> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:13] <MidnightDevil> someone?
[10:13] <smouche> cause, #kubuntu needs some moderating.
[10:13] <smouche> imho
[10:13] <djp> jacobW: yeah, i like xine. used that when i was running fc3
[10:14] <Bukkake> okay -- when I have screen running, I can't login as root from one "window" and another user on another, right?
[10:14] <HappyFool> i use xine to play dvds. mplayer crashes for me doing that.
[10:14] <ivoks> xine rocks
[10:14] <a_monkey> are there any language-learning apps out there?
[10:14] <djm62> Bukkake: you can sudo in one window
[10:14] <Bukkake> Oh, alright. thanks
[10:15] <djm62> a_monkey: for kanji?
[10:15] <JDahl> HappyFool, did you build mplayer yourself? I build it on my own before I realized it's in universe, and that was both easy and works flawlessly
[10:15] <jacobW> so what do you think the best way to install xine is??
[10:15] <djp> totem-gstreamer is working fairly well now under hoary
[10:15] <HappyFool> JDahl: yeah, also got it from universe. or marillat, not sure now
[10:15] <a_monkey> djm62: what's kanju?
[10:15] <a_monkey> djm62: kanji*
[10:15] <djm62> a_monkey: japanese characters
[10:15] <JDahl> HappyFool, buildin it is not much more that ./configure; make; make install
[10:16] <a_monkey> nope. for languages like spanish
[10:16] <HappyFool> unnecessary compilation is against my religion
[10:16] <JDahl> HappyFool, catholic?
[10:16] <ThomasWinwood> My other problem with Linux is that it almost feels modularised - it's too difficult to install a program, so people make easy ways with the result that we stick to strict scheduled updates rather than just "get the latest version when it appears".
[10:16] <HappyFool> pragmatic
[10:16] <HappyFool> ;)
[10:17] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: too difficult is a relative thing
[10:17] <ThomasWinwood> Ubuntu's repositories are a perfect example - they're an excellent idea, but just too slow at updating.
[10:17] <HappyFool> heh
[10:17] <HappyFool> i thought ubuntu was supposed to be fast? :)
[10:17] <aladdin_> jacobW, I use the default players, in my case Kafeine and JuK cause I'm on kubuntu, but I found Totem and espeacially Rythmbox fine under Ubuntu.  Mplayer is a must I think because of the mplayer Mozilla plugin for streaming media (including native Quicktime MOV files) on most web sites.
[10:17] <ThomasWinwood> The version of Firefox in the free ones is still an evil modified version of 1.0.2.
[10:17] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: but if you always get the latest versions, it's nigh-on impossible to keep a system running smoothly
[10:17] <Bukkake> That makes you unhappy?
[10:17] <Bukkake> !ping
[10:18] <hypa7ia> ThomasWinwood: you've obviously never used debian ;-)
[10:18] <jacobW> FC uses rpms what is the ubuntu equivelent
[10:18] <Bazzi> ThomasWinwood thats more the policy of ubuntu rather than not being up2date
[10:18] <|QuaD-> jacobW: deb
[10:18] <alexw> how do i install enlightenment dr17 on ubuntu
[10:18] <hypa7ia> jacobW: .deb;s
[10:18] <djm62> jacobW: deb
[10:18] <ivoks> hm...
[10:18] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: if you want to run debian sid (unstable), you are free to
[10:18] <HappyFool> jacobw: start Synaptic: System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[10:19] <ThomasWinwood> Why are they unstable though?
[10:19] <HappyFool> all the package management you'll probably need
[10:19] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: but I wouldn't recommend it, having done so
[10:19] <ThomasWinwood> Why shouldn't upgrading to the latest version be easy and non-problematic?
[10:19] <HappyFool> cos of conflicting dependencies
[10:19] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: because it takes time to find bugs, and bugs will always be there
[10:19] <Bazzi> ThomasWinwood theyre unstable as long as they arent tested inside otu and/or have major bugs
[10:19] <xc> omg I did it.. I now have 85hz refresh rate. after 1 hour of configuring obscure files, wondering why nothing happened, finding out that logging out and in again doesn't restart X, being presented with an error that said X failed to start, using the console to fix the same obsure files again... all to do something as simple as changing the screen resolution
[10:19] <xc> linux is sooo not ready for the average user
[10:19] <shinaku> Hey dudes
[10:19] <|QuaD-> ThomasWinwood: you can upgrade to the latest version of any software whenever you want
[10:20] <Bukkake> uhmm, btw, has anyone gotten the hoary discs by mail yet? I ordered them more than a month ago, I think.. I need it asap -- I messed up X, and I was suggested that while I do the "upgrade" to hoary from warthog, it will correct matters like those
[10:20] <Bazzi> xc: agreed.
[10:20] <djp> ThomasWinwood: i prefer to wait for a repo update, knowing that it is likely to have been tested and working well under the current distro. i don't really see the need for updating for updatings sake to be honest. as long as the specific app is doing what i want it to do, i am happy.
[10:20] <jacobW> is kunbunto kde??
[10:20] <djm62> xc: the average user has the monitor detected correctly ;)
[10:20] <HappyFool> xc: depends how well the hardware is supported
[10:20] <JDahl> xc, who ever said that Linux was targeted for average user?
[10:20] <ThomasWinwood> HappyFool: So why don't the necessaries get compiled into the program rather than needing a precise version of libfoo?
[10:20] <xc> it's a viewsonic monitor, nothing fancy
[10:20] <HappyFool> xc: if you think that was hard, try setting up a winmodem ;)
[10:20] <Bazzi> JDahl ubuntu is.
[10:20] <|QuaD-> ThomasWinwood: that would make too many repeted libraries
[10:20] <shinaku> Just got my 5.04 cds through the post today, installed ok (ish) but I have 2.6.10 Generic and 2.6.10 Generic Default in Grub
[10:20] <shinaku> which do I wanna use?
[10:20] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: because that would involve compiling a lot of extra stuff into it, which you would have to download
[10:21] <xc> ah well, I don't complain. at least I learnt something. but I won't tell my mom to use linux :P
[10:21] <aladdin_> jacobW, oh and mplayer is cool too cause it will play vcd and dvd ISO's without actually mounting (or burning) them. I find it VERY usefull when wanting to watch a downloaded movie ISO file since I don't have a DVD player or any burner device.
[10:21] <ThomasWinwood> djm62: So why make them packages? Why aren't common calls in the kernel?
[10:21] <djm62> wasting disk space and bandwidth
[10:21] <ThomasWinwood> "You can't use that, that's in kernel version X which is still in beta"?
[10:21] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: how common?
[10:21] <Bazzi> well kernels are a different story
[10:21] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: it is a compromise, and no system exists which isn't
[10:21] <aladdin_> jacobW, yes Kubuntu is the Ubuntu project KDE desktop.
[10:21] <thenuke> shinaku: both really are the same?
[10:21] <jacobW> aladdin_ did you install using debs or tar ball or what
[10:22] <thenuke> shinaku: there should be something and then something else :P
[10:22] <acidchild> lol
[10:22] <JDahl> xc, there's only two kinds of linux users: those trying to convert your grandmother to Linux, and then your grandmother
[10:22] <thenuke> shinaku: like xx.. and xx rescue..
[10:22] <macarthy> hi! java on AMD64 / with ubuntu ? Anyone do it?
[10:22] <MidnightDevil> hi, my ut2004 doesnt play any sound, but xmms works fine, when i run alsamixer i get to configure some other card instead of my audigy, anyway to change the default sndcard?
[10:22] <acidchild> does ubuntu use grub?
[10:22] <thenuke> acidchild: yeah
[10:22] <nikls> i tryed to install my new Canon Pixma Ip1500 printer but there is no Pixma in printer list, which printer driver do I have to choose?
[10:22] <drfanatic> hello!
[10:22] <acidchild> ok.
[10:22] <macarthy> acidchild: yes or lilo
[10:22] <ThomasWinwood> The dependency problem exists because common libraries are packages rather than modules to the kernel or built into the kernel, and thus have different versions and different release schedules.
[10:22] <Bukkake> JDahl: but the grandma isn't the linux user now, is she . . .
[10:22] <shinaku> I have Generic, Generic Recover, Generic Default and Generic Default recover
[10:22] <shinaku> and XP ^^
[10:22] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: if you feel like running software which is less tested, debian unstable is there, mandrake is pretty frequently updated, even breezy badger on ubuntu...I don't need that kind of hassle in my life :)
[10:23] <acidchild> mm.... little over complex if u ask me lol
[10:23] <mirak> anyone now a rational mixer for sblive 5.1 ?
[10:23] <Bazzi> ThomasWinwood no sane person would want libs to be in the kernel?
[10:23] <drfanatic> spricht jemend deutsch?
[10:23] <HappyFool> ThomasWinwood: you reckon all shared libraries should be part of the kernel (?)
[10:23] <thenuke> shinaku: ok :) sound weird, but I would go for the one which is the first one
[10:23] <acidchild> shinaku: use Generic
[10:23] <aladdin_> jacobW, Kubuntu? No, it's available in Synaptic package installer as an official Ubuntu release.
[10:23] <shinaku> ok
[10:23] <yahalom> ok bros i lost my gnome after install kde, i assume it was just removed from my xsessions, what and where do i add? thanx
[10:23] <ThomasWinwood> Bazzi: If libs were part of the kernel their development cycle would be fixed to it - no dependency problems.
[10:23] <jacobW> aladdin_ no i ment mplayer
[10:23] <acidchild> u might have to compil ur own anyway as i forgot the spec of ur box :/
[10:23] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: building too much into the kernel is nasty...some people even think the kernel is too big at the moment
[10:23] <drfanatic> i have enter a wrong code
[10:23] <drfanatic> ln -sf /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp how i can undo it?
[10:23] <HappyFool> drfanatic: tried #ubuntu-de
[10:23] <Burgundavia> ThomasWinwood, libs are not supposed to be part of the kernel
[10:23] <thenuke> shinaku: and bookmark this http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:24] <drfanatic> thx happyfool
[10:24] <macarthy> hi! java on AMD64 / with ubuntu ? Anyone do it?
[10:24] <acidchild> shinaku: some nice reading for you =p
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ThomasWinwood, windows gets around it by bundling the library with every app, which has it own problems
[10:24] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: and incidentally, increasing the workload of a particular group of developers would slow things down
[10:24] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: what functionality are you missing?
[10:24] <ThomasWinwood> The way I look at it - there's two ways of doing it.
[10:24] <alexw> does anybody know how to install e17
[10:25] <ThomasWinwood> 1. Everything's in the program. Programs are independent entities. No libraries - all in the programs.
[10:25] <djm62> the way I look at it, there's a whole spectrum of ways to do things
[10:25] <jacobW> so what is the better way to install mplayer???
[10:25] <ThomasWinwood> 2. Everything's in the OS. Programs rely on sections of the OS to work.
[10:25] <shinaku> ok thanks thenuke
[10:25] <nikls> does anyone knows how to install canon pixma printer?
[10:25] <yahalom> anybody?
[10:25] <kkathman> Burgundavia: do you know if during installation, ubuntu activates the built in firewall?
[10:25] <ivoks> no
[10:26] <HappyFool> jacobw: have you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[10:26] <ivoks> built in firewall
[10:26] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: the world isn't dual like that...programmers are lazy, there is finite time
[10:26] <Nafallo> jacobW: apt-get install mplayer-[arch]
[10:26] <ThomasWinwood> If I delete libfoo, then a whole load of programs complain that libfoo is missing. But if I install libfoo version X then some programs will complain about the lack of libfoo X, but if I upgrade to X some will complain about the lack of Y.
[10:26] <ivoks> that's iptables
[10:26] <Burgundavia> kkathman, no, becuase there are no open ports
[10:26] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: hence apt!
[10:26] <ThomasWinwood> But apt doesn't solve the problem.
[10:26] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: automatically taking care of dependencies
[10:26] <ThomasWinwood> apt just allows you to get libfoo Y more efficiently.
[10:27] <kkathman> ivoks heres the problem I have... in IRC, I have port ranges open for both send and receive, and forwarded on my router to my local IP, so I should be able to DCC, but its closing the connection every time.
[10:27] <kkathman> NO file transfer in anything works
[10:27] <Bazzi> ThomasWinwood buildin of that libs would render the kernel unmaintainable =/
[10:27] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: example?
[10:27] <messywessy> hello
[10:27] <aladdin_> jacobW, Ah ok. I used the instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org/ . For mplayer and many other usefull apps ;o)
[10:27] <kkathman> ivoks: so I thought maybe there was something preset that was blocking it
[10:27] <ThomasWinwood> And by your logic libfoo X and libfoo Y can't coexist. How do I decide which programs to put out of action?
[10:27] <ivoks> kkathman iptables -L
[10:28] <ivoks> if it's empty (all ACCEPT) then u don;t have firewall
[10:28] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: it's pretty easy to get email addresses for developers for each project...you email them all and get them using the same library versions...
[10:28] <kkathman> ivoks...errors errors errors
[10:28] <ThomasWinwood> Seems like too much trouble for Joe Bloggs to me.
[10:28] <jacobW> does thanks guys i got some reading to do now to figure this out but once again  thanks for the help!!!
[10:29] <ivoks> kkathman then u don't have firewall :)
[10:29] <beowu1f> any maya linux users here?
[10:29] <kkathman> just says Chain INPUT (Policy ACCEPT)   target prot opt source  and nothing
[10:29] <xc> ok next challenge.. how would I upgrade firefox 1.02 to 1.03. it's not listed in the synaptic packet manager...
[10:29] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: what you're talking about is waiting to get the latest versions of some programs...they'll be here before longhorn, I personally guarantee
[10:29] <kkathman> ok so nothing is set up there
[10:29] <ivoks> kkathman that's ok, no rules set up
[10:29] <kkathman> darn
[10:29] <aladdin_> djm62, My sources are all there. configure went trough the whole routine. I can make, make install. Many thx :o)
[10:29] <kkathman> hmmm ok..well I guess I'll have to go elsewhere
[10:29] <djm62> aladdin_: best of british
[10:30] <kkathman> to find the problem
[10:30] <MidnightDevil> SOMEON!
[10:30] <ThomasWinwood> djm62: My problem is that this bureaucratic "package selection" means packages are constantly out-of-date. There's 1.0.3 and Ubuntu still ships with 1.0.2.
[10:30] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: what does 1.0.3 do that 1.0.2 doesn't?
[10:30] <ThomasWinwood> Check the changelog.
[10:30] <yahalom> ok can someone tell me if this is right. I was missing gnome.desktop in my xsessions. So i made gnome.desktop and moved it to /usr/share/xsessions. I have gnome installed. However its still not an option on login, why not?
[10:30] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood ?
[10:30] <ThomasWinwood> There's always good reasons to upgrade to version V+1 from V.
[10:30] <aladdin_> djm62, fast learning french canadian
[10:30] <xc> so there is not FF 1.0.3 for ubuntu?
[10:31] <xc> no*
[10:31] <ThomasWinwood> xc: backports.
[10:31] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood point me at distro that allways has newest packages
[10:31] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: you are of course free not to use package management...it's not a linux thing
[10:31] <djm62> aladdin_: it's an expression..."best of british luck to you"
[10:31] <aladdin_> djm62, oh... still having to learn french canadian then . lol
[10:31] <ThomasWinwood> What's needed is a single easy method to produce a package which can be used across the board to make an uptodate package, sorta like P2P.
[10:32] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: there's always good reasons not to, or every package manager would be a thin wrapper around CVS
[10:32] <geppy> ivoks: Grumpy Groundhog
[10:32] <ivoks> geppy :)
[10:32] <geppy> ivoks:  =)
[10:32] <ivoks> geppy Sid
[10:32] <geppy> ivoks: ha!
[10:32] <geppy> ivoks: Well, yeah, I guess. Grumpy is more of a "needlessly [for end users]  unstable" in a kind of awesome way.
[10:33] <geppy> /name geppy|away
[10:33] <geppy> argh
[10:33] <ivoks> geppy i didn't know grumpy egzist :)
[10:33] <yahalom> plz?
[10:33] <geppy> ivoks: haha
[10:33] <geppy> ivoks: pffft =P
[10:33] <djm62> ThomasWinwood: if you don't like package management, and you have the time to keep your system simultaneously up-to-date and consistent, you can do it all for free...I have a full time job, so I use package management
[10:33] <djm62> also completely for free
[10:34] <geppy> Simply put, package things _with_ dependencies, use autopackage, screw disk space.
[10:34] <djm62> and bandwidth...
[10:34] <ivoks> it's cheap :)
[10:35] <geppy> djm62: Right, and bandwidth.
[10:35] <djm62> and bandwidth and time cost more than diskspace
[10:35] <geppy> anyhow, I'm off to shower (egads!), I'll be back later
[10:35] <DXT> Is it possible to make Evolution show Fri/Sat instead of Sat/Sun in a single column in month view?
[10:35] <djm62> I'm off to drinky-vous
[10:35] <geppy> djm62: Bandwidth is pretty cheap, but over time it might cost more than disk space
[10:36] <DXT> I set start of week on sunday and work days all except saturday
[10:36] <geppy> but this isn't a perfect solution; it's not a perfect world
[10:36] <DXT> but it has no effect on that
[10:36] <geppy> DXT: don't condense weekends in month view, or something
[10:36] <DXT> I'll look for that
[10:37] <xc> I'm not sure if I totally understand the concept of packages: does that mean I can only install updates for software after the ubuntu devs have ported it to the synaptic packager?
[10:37] <andrewski> why are there so many automake versions available (in breezy, specifically)?
[10:37] <HappyFool> xc: well, they upload stuff to the main repository, and then you get it via apt or synaptic
[10:38] <sir-gold> while we are on the topic of things you can't get with apt, where can i get libc6 2.3.2dsl-21?
[10:38] <DXT> geppy - thanks, I disable "compress weekends in month view". Too bad I can't set my own weekend days though.
[10:38] <andrewski> xc: but you have to sync to the ubuntu repository to get the changes.
[10:38] <HappyFool> and, as far as i know, the only updates which *are* uploaded are security or bug-fixes
[10:38] <DXT> disabled*
[10:38] <HappyFool> until the next release of ubuntu
[10:38] <yahalom> ppl i lost gnome!
[10:38] <yahalom> i want gnome back :(
[10:38] <Quest-Master> yahalom: did you install k3b?
[10:38] <yahalom> Quest-Master: k3v. kde the whole lot of ks
[10:38] <xc> so as long as there is no update for FF 1.0.3 in the repository, I can't upgrade it. or would there be another way (not that I needed to upgrade, just out of interest)?
[10:39] <hypa7ia> adios ubuntos!
[10:39] <benz240> how do i install a .deb package that i downloaded?
[10:39] <Quest-Master> yahalom: That's exactly why
[10:39] <HappyFool> xc: you can install it in your home directory
[10:39] <mindmedic> benz240, using dpkg
[10:39] <yahalom> Quest-Master: so how do i get it back? i didnt lose it last time. cant i just add it to xsessions?
[10:39] <DXT> benz240: dpgk -i mypgkname.deb
[10:39] <HappyFool> download from www.mozilla.org (or wherever) and run their installer
[10:39] <ivoks> dpkg
[10:40] <sixth> does anyone know if a PRET capable FTP client for ubuntu?
[10:40] <ivoks> xc why would u update?
[10:40] <benz240> is there a way to do it graphically?
[10:40] <benz240> like make it a default action when i double click?
[10:40] <xc> ivoks, I don't need to upgrade. just trying to figure out how the package thing works
[10:40] <ivoks> xc why would u use firefox 1.0.3 from mozilla.org instead of firefox 1.0.2 in ubuntu
[10:40] <xc> because it has additional bug fixes I suppose
[10:41] <andrewski> benz240: you could make your default action dpkg -i (IIRC)
[10:41] <mindmedic> yeah, assign "gksudo dpkg -i" command to deb files
[10:41] <ivoks> xc it doesn't
[10:41] <xc> no?
[10:41] <sixth> does anyone know if a PRET capable FTP client for ubuntu?
[10:41] <ivoks> xc all security holes discoverd on 1.0.2 are fixed in 1.0.2
[10:41] <benz240> ok ill try that
[10:41] <sixth> :-)
[10:41] <mindmedic> but i recommend using the console
[10:41] <ivoks> xc debian and ubuntu backports security fixes
[10:41] <mindmedic> what are you so afraid of
[10:41] <xc> hmm ivoks, so the ubuntu 1.0.2 version of FF contains all bug fixes of the 1.0.3 version from mozilla? that's confusing :)
[10:42] <xc> why wouldn't they change the version to 1.0.3 as well?
[10:42] <ivoks> xc it isn't... it's called security repositories
[10:42] <mindmedic> besides if installing a package fails using this method you won't get any feedback...
[10:42] <mindmedic> so forget it...
[10:43] <skeltel> does anyone know why firefox crashes hoary now that i installed blackbox
[10:43] <andrewski> benz240: what are you looking for that's not in ubuntu's repositories?
[10:43] <xc> anyway, thanks for clearing that up ivoks
[10:43] <benz240> Opera
[10:44] <ivoks> xc np
[10:44] <Andril> hello all again
[10:44] <Burgundavia> benz240, you need to download it from opera.com
[10:44] <benz240> yes i know
[10:44] <benz240> done that
[10:44] <benz240> im trying to install now
[10:44] <Andril> is there a comand to show system info?
[10:44] <andrewski> benz240: what i did was create my own local repository, download Opera to it, then apt-get update, and apt-get install opera.  works well because then i have the package on my system and can download an update and apt will see it. :)
[10:44] <benz240> i think i installed it but i dont know where it went
[10:44] <andrewski> Andril: there are many. :P  gnome-system-monitor is one...
[10:44] <benz240> its not showing up under applications menu
[10:45] <ivoks> benz240 omg, then there isn't one :)
[10:45] <benz240> uh ok
[10:45] <Andril> wow got alot of *WARNING instances
[10:45] <ivoks> benz240 don't use prop. software
[10:45] <andrewski> Andril: theme-related?
[10:45] <benz240> wtf not
[10:45] <ivoks> u see they don't know anything :)
[10:46] <benz240> haha
[10:46] <benz240> apparently
[10:46] <benz240> cuz it didnt install
[10:46] <Andril> andrewski, perhaps
[10:46] <ivoks> benz240 no... opera doesn't create menu item
[10:46] <Andril> andrewski,you guys are great
[10:46] <andrewski> ivoks: yes, it does.
[10:46] <benz240> oh well where is the linux equivalent of "Program Files"
[10:46] <benz240> im so new to this
[10:47] <andrewski> benz240: probably in /usr/share/
[10:47] <ivoks> andrewski well... not for me :)
[10:47] <andrewski> benz240: but what are you looking for?
[10:47] <andrewski> ivoks: sucks to be you? :P
[10:47] <pdk001> hi all
[10:47] <benz240> opera
[10:47] <HappyFool> try "dpkg -L <package-name>|grep /usr/bin"
[10:47] <Andril> it would be great when they add a serial number
[10:47] <pdk001> anyone know how to compile cedega?
[10:47] <benz240> i think it didnt make a binary
[10:47] <benz240> or something
[10:47] <andrewski> benz240: you want to run it?
[10:47] <benz240> yes sir
[10:47] <ivoks> andrewski well, only when u suck my :)
[10:48] <andrewski> benz240: ah, you want /usr/bin/opera (if it's there)
[10:48] <benz240> its there
[10:48] <benz240> but theres no binary
[10:48] <andrewski> benz240: that is the binary.
[10:48] <andrewski> benz240: not a folder...
[10:48] <benz240> uh
[10:48] <HappyFool> it might be a shell-script or something, but it ought to be executable
[10:48] <sir-gold> benz240 are using ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:48] <benz240> look how do i run it
[10:48] <benz240> im using ubuntu
[10:48] <benz240> gnome
[10:49] <benz240> straight default
[10:49] <Andril> opera
[10:49] <andrewski> benz240: in a terminal, type 'opera'
[10:49] <benz240> installed last night
[10:49] <HappyFool> go to a terminal, and type "opera" ?
[10:49] <ivoks> andrewski dpkg -L opera | grep desktop
[10:49] <sir-gold> im using kubuntu and opera didn't create an icon for me, i had to manually add one
[10:49] <benz240> haha good call
[10:49] <NeODarK> hello
[10:49] <andrewski> benz240: more specifically, '/usr/bin/opera'
[10:49] <benz240> now how do i make the icon
[10:49] <benz240> its running
[10:49] <benz240> opera worked
[10:49] <Andril> but you may get errors
[10:49] <ivoks> benz240 go to /usr/share/applications/
[10:49] <ThomasWinwood> I'm almost preferring MacOS's tendency to create an icon on the bar when I install a program. o_O
[10:50] <ivoks> benz240 copy firefox.desktop to opera.desktop
[10:50] <ivoks> open opera.desktop and edit it
[10:50] <andrewski> ivoks: nothing, but i have /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/opera.desktop
[10:50] <ivoks> andrewski and that's obsolete
[10:50] <mindmedic> benz240, you  know alt+f2 right
[10:51] <Andril> benz240, you using  Opera 8?
[10:51] <benz240> now i do
[10:51] <benz240> yes
[10:51] <andrewski> ivoks: i'm just sayin'...
[10:51] <benz240> ok im in the /usr/bin folder
[10:51] <benz240> found opera
[10:51] <andrewski> ivoks: /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian-Apps-Net-opera.desktop
[10:51] <benz240> it has a "SH" icon
[10:51] <benz240> how do i make a "shortcut" for it
[10:51] <andrewski> benz240: did you follow ivok's suggestion?
[10:51] <benz240> copy firefox.desktop?
[10:51] <benz240> wtf
[10:52] <andrewski> benz240: yes, that file will tell gnome's menu to create an entry.
[10:52] <andrewski> benz240: if you copy it to opera, and edit the fields, you can have one for opera too. :D
[10:52] <andrewski> benz240: i may do that myself....
[10:52] <benz240> im confused, copy it TO opera?
[10:53] <benz240> i cannot get my brain to think of stuff in a way other than windows
[10:53] <jacobW> windows sux
[10:54] <mindmedic> benz, cool
[10:54] <andrewski> benz240: cd /usr/share/applications; cp firefox.desktop opera.desktop
[10:54] <benz240> so im struggling to do stuff in the terminal
[10:54] <andrewski> benz240: then edit opera.desktop :)
[10:54] <benz240> need a graphical way to do it
[10:54] <skeltel> hi all
[10:54] <benz240> ok lemme try that andrewski
[10:54] <jacobW> gui sux
[10:54] <skeltel> anyone know blackbox
[10:54] <andrewski> benz240: it might be mozilla-firefox.desktop too, i don't remember.
[10:55] <jacobW> elinks
[10:55] <digitalfox|slp> I'm officially impressed with Ubuntu
[10:56] <digitalfox|slp> postfix and popa3d "just work(TM)"
[10:56] <mindmedic> jacobW, gui doesn't suck... needing a gui for the simplest task does...
[10:56] <jacobW> true
[10:56] <jacobW> im all text no gui now
[10:56] <rics> Hey!
[10:57] <jacobW> doin just fine
[10:57] <mindmedic> how you watch porn?
[10:57] <mindmedic> libcaca :)
[10:57] <benz240> ok what should i edit the fields to be
[10:57] <benz240> like where is the opera icon
[10:57] <rics> Can I use APT with oficial DEBIAN sources without mess my ubuntu system?
[10:58] <rics> I want to install bluefish, but can't find it in the apt-cache search!!! :(
[10:58] <Huey> is there a way to place a translucent image on top of the entire working desktop, but still allow for normal operation underneath?
[10:58] <andrewski> benz240: just type 'opera' for the icon.
[10:58] <mindmedic> rics, add universe & multiverse
[10:58] <^thehatsrule^> mindmedic, ascii videos? hehe
[10:58] <andrewski> benz240: your theme will pick it up.
[10:58] <rics> mindmedic, what is that???
[10:58] <benz240> ok
[10:58] <mindmedic> look in ubuntu wiki
[10:59] <andrewski> benz240: ask which other fields don't make sense...
[10:59] <mindmedic> maybe in the faq too
[10:59] <benz240> can i edit some of this stuff in something OTHER than command like VI?
[10:59] <benz240> pplease
[10:59] <rics> mindmedic, will do that! Thanks!!!
[10:59] <HappyFool> try nano instead, or gedit
[10:59] <mindmedic> if you have problems come back
[10:59] <benz240> i want to right click on it and edit it in something a little more advance
[10:59] <HappyFool> gedit is notepad-like, i think
[10:59] <ThomasWinwood> That reminds me.
[10:59] <rics> mindmedic, ok! :) Thanks
[11:00] <ThomasWinwood> I have a Lexmark Laserprinter 4039 connected to a Windows share.
[11:00] <ThomasWinwood> I can print a test page fine.
[11:00] <mindmedic> HappyFool, never let a gedit developer hear this
[11:00] <ThomasWinwood> I can print through Openoffice.
[11:00] <ThomasWinwood> But when I try to print from gedit, the printer says "waiting" for a while, then gives up and doesn't print.
[11:00] <ThomasWinwood> Why, and can it be fixed?
[11:00] <benz240> and is there a way to open a root terminal from a directory im looking at in the file browser?
[11:01] <benz240> without having to cd all the way there every time
[11:01] <mindmedic> benz, theres a program on gnomefiles.org which provides this extra functionality
[11:03] <mindmedic> benz, one cd command brings you to every location on your fs... use tab to complete folder or filenames
[11:04] <agent> anyone know how to fix getting error "No module named getmailcore" with getmail??
[11:06] <dibli> hi everybody, anyone experience with (k)ubuntu on a sonoma-notebook?
[11:07] <benz240> Andril: wtf
[11:09] <andrewski> benz240: vim is about as advanced as you get, IMO (in many's opinions). :P
[11:09] <andrewski> benz240: but you could change the association so it opens in gedit or something.
[11:09] <orathon> hey all
[11:10] <rics> mindmedic, I'm setting it up man! hehehe UBUNTU Rules! Thanks!!!
[11:11] <Andril> does anyone know when Beagle is gonna be added to the package list?
[11:12] <lewwy> hello, can anyone here please help me setup captive-ntfs?  Whenever I try to acess it from any account (other than root) I get the permission denied error.  Any suggestions?
[11:12] <holycow> http://ceeweb.mit.edu/  <-- hey look, someone ran out of ideas and decided to steal debians logo
[11:12] <mindmedic> if you help yourself (or do the biggest part) you get experienced a lot faster than poeple who prefer everything spoon-fed into them
[11:12] <^thehatsrule^> look up chown or chmod lewwy i think
[11:12] <mindmedic> sry for my english
[11:12] <benz240> hey is it possible to see when you installed a particular package
[11:13] <benz240> does anyone know what that little progress bar is beside the text entry field here in X-Chat is?
[11:13] <benz240> it keeps going across
[11:13] <benz240> every few seconds
[11:13] <mindmedic> you see :)
[11:13] <aVeedo> ok
[11:13] <aVeedo> wtf is up w/ the black bar in text editors?
[11:13] <lewwy> wait, mindmedic were you talking to me about "spoon feeding"?
[11:13] <aVeedo> you cant see what's under it!
[11:14] <Tux> Does anybody know what a svg extension is?
[11:14] <mindmedic> nope
[11:14] <lewwy> ah ok
[11:14] <^thehatsrule^> Tux, is that the adobe vector format for the web?
[11:14] <geppy> Tux: scalable vector graphics
[11:14] <^thehatsrule^> ya that one
[11:14] <melodie> svg: native format of Inkscape for exemple
[11:14] <Tux> yeah
[11:14] <lewwy> chown: changing ownership of `captive-noname/': Read-only file system
[11:14] <lewwy> thats the error i get
[11:14] <Tux> How can I create one...
[11:15] <Tux> If I have a png file, that I want to use where I need an svg?
[11:15] <mindmedic> ??
[11:15] <^thehatsrule^> png isnt a vector image
[11:15] <melodie> try open it in Gimp and save under .svg
[11:15] <melodie> not sure just try
[11:16] <Tux> Gimp won't recognize svg.
[11:16] <Tux> I already tried that.
[11:16] <mindmedic> use inkscape
[11:16] <andrewski> Tux: you want to convert a png to an svg?
[11:16] <Tux> Yes.
[11:16] <melodie> or Imagmagick
[11:16] <andrewski> Tux: not possible, AFAIK.
[11:16] <mindmedic> he can trace it
[11:16] <melodie> Imagemagick
[11:16] <Tux> Ok, what about a blend, or a gif...
[11:17] <melodie> try
[11:17] <Tux> I can convert it to alot of other things...
[11:17] <melodie> try it all
[11:17] <mindmedic> blend???
[11:17] <Tux> blender.
[11:17] <mindmedic> i know..
[11:17] <mindmedic> what do you want to convert that to?
[11:17] <mindmedic> jpg, lol
[11:17] <Tux> That's where I originally created the picture.
[11:17] <sir-gold> unrelated to linux, but adobe makes a SVG plugin for windows, yet photoshop can't open SVG files
[11:18] <mindmedic> you can render various output formats in blender
[11:18] <Tux> Ah, I hadn't thought of that.  Let me try that real quick.
[11:18] <mindmedic> photoshop is a pixel manipulation software
[11:18] <mindmedic> so why should it...
[11:18] <sir-gold> it supports vector graphics
[11:18] <mindmedic> cant remember the name of adobes vector illustrator
[11:18] <sir-gold> just not svg
[11:18] <penguinparty> hi all .  . . Im having troubles with sound under horay
[11:19] <mindmedic> really,, didn'T know that
[11:19] <holycow> mindmedic, its called illustrator
[11:19] <holycow> -_-
[11:19] <sir-gold> text in photoshop is vector for example
[11:19] <penguinparty> RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff8811b6bb>]  <ffffffff8811b6bb>{:snd_au8820:vortex_core_init+42}
[11:19] <penguinparty> RSP: 0018:ffff81003c2dfde8  EFLAGS: 00010292
[11:19] <penguinparty> what is that in my dmesg
[11:19] <lewwy> penguinparty: you'd have far better luck if you just stated the problem
[11:19] <penguinparty> no /dev/dsp
[11:19] <ryman_> man somehting is wrong with my Ubuntu. It keep frozen and all the icon , files that I downloaded and saved on desktop disappeared
[11:20] <ryman_> I can't even burn ISO CDs
[11:20] <penguinparty> screwed up dmesg drivers loading
[11:20] <thread> Anyone with experience with ipw2200 and/or shared key encryption? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=161762
[11:21] <ivoks> thread i use ipw2200
[11:21] <ivoks> thread but only on open networks
[11:21] <orathon> anyone know a better rc program than x-chat??
[11:21] <ThomasWinwood> orathon: BitchX? irssi?
[11:21] <ivoks> orathon bitchx
[11:21] <ivoks> irssi
[11:21] <thread> ivoks: ah yeah.. I'm able to get it to work on public networks fine... it's this encryption business that's messing me up
[11:21] <thread> orathon: irssi highly recommended
[11:21] <penguinparty> au8820 sound card wont work under horay . . .worked fine under 4.10
[11:21] <sir-gold> is there a way to store server and nick in bitchx other than bashrc?
[11:22] <yahalom> can nobody help me get my gnome back?
[11:22] <ivoks> ?
[11:22] <ivoks> with that 1GB that left, create new partition, and use as swap area
[11:22] <ivoks> oh
[11:22] <mindmedic> yahalom... without some error messages... delete your gnome config folder...
[11:23] <mindmedic> but you should dig deeper before doing that
[11:23] <penguinparty> are there any ALSA geniuses in the room?
[11:23] <joda> hey - a newbie question: if I want to mess with the network setup, going around the graphical config tool, which file(s) should I look at?
[11:23] <penguinparty> joda: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:24] <joda> penguin: thanks :)
[11:24] <yahalom> mindmedic: i just lost my gnome entry in the login menu whn i installed kde. but gnome is still on my system
[11:24] <Tux> Nope.  Didn't work.
[11:24] <mindmedic> did you setup kdm
[11:24] <penguinparty> joda: dont forget to set your /etc/resolv.conf
[11:24] <sir-gold> joda have you looked at ifconfig yet?
[11:25] <joda> Sir gold: I have now
[11:25] <penguinparty> I feel like crying like a baby now that I upgraded to Horay :(
[11:25] <mindmedic> joda... careful
[11:25] <penguinparty> no more sound
[11:25] <orathon> ehh i have installed bitchx now but were do i find it???
[11:25] <yahalom> mindmedic: i dont remember choosing kdm, and my login screen is still gnome
[11:25] <yahalom> mindmedic: how do i set it up?
[11:25] <mindmedic> well you didn't choose it then
[11:25] <joda> my problem is, I want to statically define the gateway, ip and dns - I'm having problems doing that via the graphical interface
[11:26] <mindmedic> it shouldn't matter which one you use
[11:26] <yahalom> mindmedic: that would make sense, how do i choose it?
[11:26] <mindmedic> you can'T select the gnome session anymore
[11:26] <yahalom> mindmedic: why? :(
[11:26] <orathon> were do i find bitchx after install??
[11:27] <mindmedic> i dont know gotta go...
[11:27] <penguinparty> i got 0000:04:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Aureal Semiconductor Vortex 1 (rev 02)
[11:27] <penguinparty> but no /dev/dsp
[11:27] <yahalom> mindmedic: ok thanx
[11:27] <aladdin_> good day to u all!
[11:28] <joda> brb
[11:28] <penguinparty> why would my sound stop working in the new version of ubuntu?
[11:28] <eddyp> any idea how can I remove the trash bin from the desktop in gnome 2.8.3? I installed the trash applet ...
[11:28] <mindmedic> maybe one thing... try starting a session from another terminal... login, "startx -- :1", and see what that gives ya
[11:28] <thread> eddyp: gconf-edit
[11:28] <penguinparty> worked fine under the old version
[11:28] <thread> eddyp: gconf-editor
[11:28] <penguinparty> eddyp: did you try to select it and hit delete
[11:29] <thread> eddyp: apps -> nautilus -> desktop
[11:29] <thread> penguinparty: that doesn't work =\
[11:29] <eddyp> penguinparty: powerbook g4 here, no delete key :)
[11:29] <penguinparty> am I the only one in the world who is having problems with sound under horay?
[11:29] <Kisain> can anyone tell me how to create and network a folder
[11:30] <Kisain> for windows xp?
[11:30] <ivoks> jesus
[11:30] <^thehatsrule^> Kisain, use share
[11:30] <ivoks> did ubuntu change sarge's installer?!
[11:30] <Kisain> is that in the menu or somethin?
[11:30] <Kisain> i'm usin kubuntu
[11:30] <eddyp> thread: thanks :)
[11:30] <karljp> anyone know the "right" way of installing a new verson of automake?
[11:30] <orathon> were do i find Bitchx after install
[11:30] <orathon> ??
[11:30] <ThomasWinwood> penguinparty: I think you're the only one in the world USING "horay". We're all using Hoary.
[11:30] <ThomasWinwood> orathon: sudo apt-get install bitchx.
[11:30] <^thehatsrule^> you said for winxp Kisain?
[11:30] <penguinparty> hehe . . .
[11:30] <karljp>  /etc/alternatives/automake seems to hardcode it to 1.4-p6
[11:30] <ivoks> orathon in /usr/bin
[11:30] <Kisain> yes
[11:31] <penguinparty> oops
[11:31] <Kisain> may i pm you
[11:31] <eddyp> orathon: did you tried universe?
[11:31] <penguinparty> Ya im using Hoary
[11:31] <Kisain> it's kinda a legthy explanation
[11:31] <karljp> I could just remove the link in /usr/bin, and make it point to the 1.8 that I installed with apt-get,
[11:31] <Kartagis> hello
[11:31] <orathon> eddyp no i didnt
[11:31] <orathon> ivoks but were do i find it and start it?
[11:31] <Kisain> i ask to pm now cause i got yelld at onetime
[11:31] <karljp> but I don't want to screw up any mechanism of /etc/alternatives
[11:31] <penguinparty> maybe I could make a new distro called horay that works with the au8820 sound card
[11:31] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[11:31] <ivoks> orathon BitchX - just type it in terminal
[11:31] <eddyp> orathon: add it to your sources and you might find it , I am not sure
[11:32] <Kartagis> how can I set $LANG to something else?
[11:32] <^thehatsrule^> dont matter...
[11:32] <Kisain> thehats?
[11:32] <penguinparty> cause hoary dosnt :(
[11:32] <eddyp> if not, try multiverse
[11:32] <Kisain> kkk
[11:32] <Kisain> kk
[11:32] <Kisain> lol
[11:32] <Kartagis> what file do I have to edit?
[11:32] <Kisain> opps
[11:32] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[11:32] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[11:32] <ivoks> orathon newbie? maybe bitchx-gtk would be better choice for u
[11:32] <^thehatsrule^> Kartagis, in preferences somewhere? in the gui that is
[11:33] <eddyp> Kartagis: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:33] <penguinparty> Kartagis: try dpkg-reconfigure locale
[11:34] <orathon> ivoks, yes and tnx
[11:34] <penguinparty> Kartagis: oops eddyp is right use the e on the end
[11:34] <penguinparty> dont trust my spelling
[11:34] <penguinparty> horay (hehe
[11:35] <penguinparty> does an RIP message in the dmesg mean that something bad happened?
[11:35] <karljp> okay, update-alternatives is neast
[11:35] <ivoks> :))
[11:35] <ivoks> no
[11:35] <penguinparty> ivoks: who are you saying no to?
[11:35] <ivoks> my self
[11:35] <PI314> is it true that ubuntu is breaking the standards of Linux, and is more and more setting itself aside from debian?
[11:36] <ivoks> penguinparty it doesn't just say RIP, doesn't it?
[11:36] <Bazzi> linux ahs no standards.
[11:36] <ivoks> PI314 ?
[11:36] <Bazzi> apart from kernel :p
[11:36] <penguinparty> RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff8811b6bb>]  <ffffffff8811b6bb>{:snd_au8820:vortex_core_init+42}
[11:36] <ivoks> Bazzi it has
[11:36] <ivoks> LSB
[11:36] <Tux> What picture types can xml read/understand?
[11:36] <ivoks> PI314 and no, who told u that? :)
[11:36] <sir-gold> PI314 are you referring to the recent slashdot article?
[11:36] <penguinparty> PI314: The standard about linux is to break standards
[11:37] <orathon> ivoks were can i find bitchx-gtk and how do i uinstall bitchx??
[11:37] <ivoks> orathon just do sudo apt-get install bitchx-gtk
[11:37] <mindmedic> Tux, read a little about xml
[11:37] <penguinparty> PI314: thats why Linux is good . . .
[11:37] <sir-gold> slashdot ran an article saying that ubuntu was wrecking debian
[11:37] <Tux> I have.
[11:37] <orathon> ivoks, i did that now.. were do i find it?
[11:37] <hybrid_goth> slashdot sux
[11:37] <ivoks> orathon app -> internet
[11:37] <penguinparty> ubuntu is making debian usable again
[11:38] <PI314> yes i am refering to that article
[11:38] <Tux> And I don't understand why this one file won't accept anything except svg...
[11:38] <pussfeller> the guy who is the pres of debian ran an article saying dire things about ubuntu... slashdot just picked up the stroy
[11:38] <penguinparty> RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff8811b6bb>]  <ffffffff8811b6bb>{:snd_au8820:vortex_core_init+42} . . . .does that make any sense?
[11:38] <orathon> ivoks, its not there...
[11:38] <Bicchi> If my lcd monitor refresh rate is 60Hz, Should i set the HorizSync and VertRefresh to 60 ?
[11:38] <ivoks> orathon start terminal and write BitchX
[11:38] <PI314> well for one, some packages are ubuntu specific, and some debain packages won't run on ubuntu
[11:39] <ivoks> PI314 name one
[11:39] <PI314> dvdrip
[11:39] <orathon> ivoks, but then ill ust start bitchx not bitchx-gtk
[11:39] <ivoks> ?
[11:39] <pussfeller> i think given debians, uh.. commitment to detail.. they have no room to complain
[11:39] <ivoks> orathon then bitchx-gtk
[11:40] <ivoks> PI314 did u try?
[11:40] <pussfeller> ubuntu has revivied debians PR stats tremendously
[11:40] <pussfeller> for what ever thats worth
[11:40] <orathon> ivoks, it didnt work
[11:40] <sir-gold> pussfeller so has knoppix
[11:41] <ivoks> orathon dpkg -L bitchx-gtk | grep "usr/bin"
[11:41] <pussfeller> to a lesser extent, I think
[11:41] <pussfeller> but it has
[11:41] <sir-gold> i chose kubuntu specifically because of knoppix
[11:41] <ivoks> orathon xbitchx
[11:42] <sir-gold> but i also tried debian and found it lacking
[11:42] <orathon> ivoks, then /usr/bin
[11:42] <orathon> /usr/bin/gtkBitchX-1.0c20cvs
[11:42] <orathon> /usr/bin/gtkBitchX
[11:42] <orathon>  came up
[11:42] <pussfeller> had you never used kdi sir-gold ?
[11:42] <pussfeller> err kde
[11:42] <ivoks> orathon then it;s gtkBitchX
[11:42] <eddyp> pussfeller: the founder of Debian, Ian Murdock, not the project leader (nor president, as there is no such thing)
[11:42] <sir-gold> not within the last 2 years
[11:42] <PI314> ivoks, transcode won't compile on ubuntu
[11:42] <ivoks> LOL
[11:42] <ivoks> compile?!
[11:42] <Andril> bye all
[11:42] <pussfeller> eddyp, thanks, I was wondering his exact place in the matrix
[11:42] <penguinparty> why is /proc/asound/cards showing no soundcards?
[11:42] <ivoks> PI314 where is word package in compiling?
[11:43] <PI314> however it will compile on ddebain
[11:43] <jedipottsy> hey
[11:43] <jedipottsy> can someone help me, i have no sound
[11:43] <pussfeller> ya know that, its a common thing for fathers to attack children who go their own way, sad to say
[11:43] <ivoks> PI314 do u know what compiling is?
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> got alsa and esd installed
[11:43] <eddyp> pussfeller: the present DPL is the long awaited Branden Robinson
[11:43] <orathon> ivoks, tnx, how do i uinstall bitchx then?
[11:43] <ivoks> orathon aptitude purge bitchx
[11:43] <PI314> ivoks, well come on you know what i mean
[11:43] <penguinparty> hybrid: who you talking to?
[11:43] <jedipottsy> i have an audigy 2 sound card and i have no sound
[11:43] <pussfeller> eddyp, is he supposed to shake things up
[11:44] <sir-gold> PI314 thats not even the issue, the issue is stuff written for ubuntu that won't compile on debian
[11:44] <penguinparty> I have an au8820 with no sound
[11:44] <ivoks> lol
[11:44] <PI314> true
[11:44] <eddyp> pussfeller: his approach was a revolutionary one, at least until now in his campains
[11:44] <jedipottsy> how do i get sound working?
[11:44] <ivoks> jesus... do u hear urself?
[11:44] <ivoks> what won't compile on debian?
[11:44] <ivoks> which app?
[11:44] <ivoks> lol
[11:45] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: what does: cat /proc/asound/cards say?
[11:45] <sir-gold> i was just quoting the article, it didn't give specifics
[11:45] <ivoks> PI314 i bet with u that all apps would compile on ubuntu
[11:45] <ivoks> PI314 u only need headers and development files
[11:45] <eddyp> pussfeller: now he is the leader and said that he will not interfere with the long-awaited release...
[11:46] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: what does: cat /proc/asound/cards say?
[11:46] <eddyp> ivoks: heck, it will compile on redhat (if having the headers :)
[11:46] <jedipottsy> say what?
[11:46] <jedipottsy> sry im new to linux
[11:46] <pussfeller> eddyp, what does that mean, not interfere?
[11:46] <ivoks> eddyp my point excattly
[11:46] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: open the terminal
[11:46] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: and type
[11:46] <ivoks> shit, the windows stoopidy camed to linux
[11:46] <jedipottsy> 0 [CK8S           ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[11:46] <jedipottsy>                      NVidia CK8S with ALC850 at 0xeb001000, irq 23
[11:46] <jedipottsy> 1 [Audigy2        ] : Audigy2 - Sound Blaster Audigy2
[11:46] <jedipottsy>                      Sound Blaster Audigy2 (rev.4) at 0x9000, irq 18
[11:47] <ivoks> omg, we are doomed
[11:47] <jedipottsy> lol, i aint stupid im just new
[11:47] <ivoks> "If I can't clik, it can't compile"
[11:47] <eddyp> pussfeller: well, he will push not too much the release managers by helping them
[11:47] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: you are much further then me :(
[11:47] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: mine says -- no soundcards --
[11:47] <jedipottsy> that mean i have to set audigy as the default sound card
[11:47] <eddyp> ivoks: I don't think that offending anybody is helpful
[11:48] <ivoks> eddyp it wasn't related to anyone in person
[11:48] <Bicchi> I need help configuring xorg.conf. If my lcd monitor refresh rate is 60Hz then should i set the HorizSync and VertRefresh to 60 ?
[11:48] <jedipottsy> so how do i set the audigy 2 as the default card?
[11:48] <shadeofgrey> i need help
[11:48] <eddyp> pussfeller: he is open minded and is a part of the scud project (a colaborative leadership, unofficial, none the less)
[11:48] <shadeofgrey> whats the package i need to install to get totem to play DVD's?
[11:49] <eddyp> ivoks: that was bound to happen, ubuntu is the most desktop ready distro around, imho
[11:49] <ivoks> eddyp i agree
[11:49] <jedipottsy> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:49] <ivoks> eddyp that's why i use it on my laptop
[11:49] <jedipottsy> im following that
[11:50] <jedipottsy> but when i get to this point : "sudo apt-get install libesd-alsa0"
[11:50] <orathon> hmm i dont have anything to do... what can i do with linux when i dont have anything to do???
[11:50] <jedipottsy> it says Package libesd-alsa0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:50] <eddyp> ivoks: I am using debian on both y laptops and my desktop :D
[11:50] <ivoks> eddyp i did too...
[11:51] <ivoks> eddyp but i need fresh apps and i don't want to download 1GB every week
[11:51] <orathon> ah i love my laptop:D it looks "complete" with 'nix on it :P
[11:51] <mindmedic> orathon, play some games
[11:51] <mindmedic> learn new skills
[11:51] <penguinparty> jedipottsy: what about just using the libesd0 package
[11:51] <mindmedic> or help others solving their problems
[11:52] <eddyp> ivoks: c'mon they don't update that often in Debian, or am I missing the point?
[11:52] <orathon> mindmedic. i dont know any good games and what skills should i learn??
[11:52] <shadeofgrey> dudes
[11:52] <shadeofgrey> please
[11:52] <orathon> mindmedic and iam too noob to help ppl :P
[11:52] <eddyp> orathon: why don't you use gaim instead of bitchx?
[11:52] <newitailuve> how do i resize an existing ext3 partition in ubuntu? gparted won't let me do it, not even as sudo
[11:52] <ivoks> eddyp well, if u use sarge, then u aren't up-to-date, and u are still d/w hunderts of MB every week
[11:52] <shadeofgrey> im really tired and want to watch blade trinity what package do i need tro make totem play DVD
[11:53] <ivoks> eddyp if u use sid, then u are downloading 1GB every week :)
[11:53] <orathon> eddyp, well iam not using bitchx anymore... using x-chat instead
[11:53] <mindmedic> theres always plenty to learn
[11:53] <ivoks> eddyp if u use woody, then, man... linux is much older now :)
[11:53] <mindmedic> good free games?
[11:53] <eddyp> ivoks: nah, I _am_ running sarge but I don't download that much
[11:53] <mindmedic> enemy territory
[11:53] <mindmedic> neverball
[11:53] <ivoks> eddyp now it's frozen...
[11:53] <jedipottsy> ok i think ive done it, just gotta restart
[11:53] <mindmedic> learn opengl
[11:53] <eddyp> ivoks: good point
[11:54] <ivoks> eddyp but still isn't up-to-date
[11:54] <mindmedic> or something
[11:54] <ivoks> eddyp sarge is great for servers
[11:54] <eddyp> orathon: I am usig it right now and is quite nice
[11:54] <eddyp> ivoks: and will still be even after the relase :)
[11:54] <mindmedic> or you can randomly delete important looking system files, and learn to put it all back together :)
[11:54] <orathon> eddyp are you using gaim on irc??
[11:55] <eddyp> orathon: yeap :)
[11:55] <mindmedic> blender is interesting too, or fire up puredata and generate some sound
[11:56] <ivoks> eddyp yeah, for a year or two...
[11:56] <jedipottsy> ok that didnt work
[11:56] <newitailuve> how do i resize an existing ext3 partition in ubuntu? gparted won't let me do it, not even as sudo, help please
[11:56] <jedipottsy> how do i set the audigy 2 as the default sound card?
[11:56] <ivoks> eddyp but then will php6 and apache3 rocking the web...
[11:56] <jedipottsy> do i need drivers?
[11:56] <ivoks> eddyp and our sarges would barely know about apache2 :)
[11:56] <hybrid_goth> hello
[11:57] <eddyp> ivoks: if apache don't change thier licenses :)
[11:57] <dibtreo> HI
[11:57] <ivoks> eddyp well, that was example
[11:57] <dibtreo> have a litle problem
[11:57] <jedipottsy> how come mozilla is really slow? alot slower than windows?
[11:57] <drfanatic> hello?
[11:58] <dibtreo> hi
[11:58] <drfanatic> i have a prublem with teamspeak
[11:58] <drfanatic> problem
[11:58] <kkathman> got everything lined out with the kicker and taskbars :)
[11:58] <jgb> how do i turn off power managemente completely?
[11:59] <drfanatic> nobody can hear me in teamspeak
[11:59] <drfanatic> sorry, my english is not so good
[11:59] <kkathman> jgb try the control center
[11:59] <kkathman> jgb there is a section on power management there
[11:59] <ThomasWinwood> Okay, nano has superceded gedit as my favourite text editor.
[11:59] <drfanatic> but i can hear the others
[12:00] <newitailuve> how do i resize an existing ext3 partition in ubuntu? gparted won't let me do it, not even as sudo, help please


[03:08] <Unit193> RagnarokAngel1: You have to hide better if you don't want peer to catch you.
[21:06] <wrst> rock on DJOmnifrog
[21:07] <DJOmnifrog> \o\  \o/  /o/ ,o/ ,o/ ,o/


[01:42] <thomi> mir docs upload is fixed
[13:16] <kgunn> alan_g: mornin', just saying hello
[13:26] <alan_g> kgunn: afternoon ;)
[13:27]  * olli_ waves too
[13:28] <alan_g> hi olli
[16:16] <kdub> racarr_, are you back today?
[16:37] <racarr_> kdub: -.- I was supposed to be but I couldn't get a zipvan last night so I need one more day :)
[16:37] <racarr_> for the next 2 hours or so was going to try and catch up though while I wait on my large item moving helper
[16:38] <kdub> racarr_, just wanted to give you a chance to look over the inprocess-egl stuff for gbm in https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/android-internal-client/+merge/163211
[16:42] <racarr_> kdub: Peeking
[16:46] <racarr_> I feel the InternalClient class is kind of strange but need to think about it...
[16:48] <racarr_> How is it different than a "Client"
[16:56] <kdub> racarr_, its not really different than a client
[16:57] <kdub> other than the fact that its not the normal ipc-based client
[18:28] <kgunn> racarr_: so are you in your new place tonight?
[18:30] <racarr_> kgunn: Yep!
[18:31] <kgunn> racarr_: awesome!
[18:31] <racarr_> goal for today is move all my stuff, establish bedroom, establish bathroom/kitchen and acquire computer desk :)
[18:31] <kgunn> racarr_: "establish" :D
[18:31] <kgunn> like a military action
[18:31] <racarr_> A little terrified of going to Ikea. Bed bath and beyond was almost totally overwhelming
[18:31] <racarr_> haha
[18:31] <racarr_> my family was military and we moved every year so it's like
[18:31] <racarr_> a routine
[18:32] <kgunn> :)
[18:32] <kgunn> my wife hates when i go  to bed bath beyond...i want to buy everything
[18:33] <racarr_> haha that's how I felt but I also was worried I was going to fill up my entire shopping cart so I walked around telling myself I couldnt buy everything I wanted
[18:33] <racarr_> then walked out with like 1/3rd of what I needed and decided to try again today...
[18:33] <kgunn> racarr_: that's good self control
[19:02] <arsenm> racarr_: Bed bath and beyond enthusiast


[12:53] <shwag> Why does php5-gd attempt to install laptop-detect and x11-common  as dependencies ?
[12:57] <infinity> shwag: Because it wants x11-common as a libXpm dependency to be able to manipulate XPM images, and x11-common depends on laptop-detect.
[12:58] <shwag> infinity: how did you figure that out? is there a way to get a dependency tree?
[12:58] <infinity> And, for the record, the total installed size of both those packages is smaller than mhy .ssh/authorized_keys, so I'm not sure why people complain about it.
[12:58] <infinity> (x11-common doesn't mean "I just installed X")
[12:58] <infinity> shwag: I know how to use my packaging tools.  On the other hand, I also maintain PHP, so I'm at an unfair advantage.
[12:59] <shwag> well its just kinda funny when you are installing php5-gd libraries and the next thing you know you are install laptop-detect on your server.
[01:00] <infinity> Yeah, x11-common's dependency on laptop-detect is... Interesting.
[01:00] <infinity> (THough it's a tiny little script, and it doesn't really make a difference to have it there, it's merely the package *name* that offends people)
[01:01] <shwag> x11-comon is no big deal...fonts, makes sense. Its the laptop-detect that makes people go... uhh..whaaaa
[06:56] <techwhore> yello there.
[06:56] <techwhore> you guys work with gadmintools ?
[06:59] <infinity> Nope;.
[06:59] <infinity> We don't install X, generally. :)
[07:00] <techwhore> that doesn't mean one can do an ssh and export display, right ?
[07:00] <techwhore> i mean, isn't the ubuntu-server group goal to create some sort of Linux Server with the same guidelines as ubuntu desktop ?
[07:01] <techwhore> in other word, easy, graphic adminstration of linux servers ?
[07:05] <Burgwork> there are ways to admin a server graphically without needing to install X on the server
[07:05] <Burgwork> that is part of this teams goal
[07:05] <techwhore> yup, and what tools do you guys use or encourage the usage of ?
[07:33] <infinity> No, honestly, that's not our goal.
[07:33] <Burgwork> infinity: rain on my parade will you
[07:34] <infinity> If people want to work on easy administration, I'm all for it, but it's certainly not the primary goal of ubuntu server.
[07:34] <infinity> We're far more concerned in enterprise-class stability and package selection.
[07:34] <Burgwork> true
[07:41] <techwhore> it seems to me that both goals are not exclusive.
[07:41] <techwhore> good.
[07:41] <techwhore> thanks dude.
[10:12] <shwag> how come when I   sudo useradd newuser  .... it doesnt create a  /home/newuser  ?
[10:12] <ivoks> sudo adduser
[10:13] <ivoks> useradd just creates user in /etc/passwd
[10:13] <techwhore> please read the topic.
[10:13] <ivoks> :)
[10:16] <shwag> techwhore: what about the topic ?
[10:29] <jbrouhard> shwag: try adduser
[10:29] <jbrouhard> it's a script that asks you a few questions i believe
[10:31] <shwag> jbrouhard: yah...adduser works.  useradd doesnt create directories though. That was rather ambiguous.
[10:33] <jbrouhard> adduser is just a script
[10:33] <jbrouhard> that calls useradd
[10:33] <jbrouhard> with a bunch of options
[10:33] <jbrouhard> anyway
[10:33] <jbrouhard> afk i go
[11:00] <techwhore> shwag
[11:00] <techwhore>        -m, --create-home
[11:00] <techwhore>           The users home directory will be created if it does not exist. The
[11:00] <techwhore> from useradd manpage
[11:04] <shwag> techwhore: thats what it says...but it actually doesnt exist
[11:04] <shwag> techwhore: adduser   rather then useradd  fixes the problem though


[08:49] <tom_> Hello
[08:50] <tom_> can someone please take a look at this bug report:
[08:50] <tom_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1005087
[08:50] <tom_> xubuntu is *almost* perfect and I want it to be perfect :)
[09:00] <ochosi> tom_: yeah, this bug is known unfortunately
[09:00] <tom_> why not disable it by default until it's fixed?
[09:02] <ochosi> i think it's fixed in 4.10, i'm currently looking for the upstream bugreport
[09:02] <ochosi> (which means you can either test it by adding the xubuntu-dev ppa or wait for 12.10)
[09:04] <ochosi> tom_: i'll quickly add the relevant info to your bugreport and close it
[09:06] <ochosi> mr_pouit: have we cherry-picked and backported the fix for the right-click menu on xfdesktop yet? (bug #1005087)
[09:06] <tom_> thanks ochosi
[09:06] <ochosi> np
[09:06] <tom_> would it be difficult to push an update that disables the app menu in the desktop menu?
[09:08] <ochosi> i'd rather backport the fix
[09:09] <ochosi> you can disable it for yourself quite easily in the desktop settings > menus
[09:09] <tom_> ok thanks again
[09:09] <ochosi> that said, it doesn't really happen when you don't show icons on your desktop
[09:09] <ochosi> so there are a few ways of potentially dealing with it
[09:10] <tom_> I know, but many new to xubuntu users don't know that, or that it's causes slowness
[09:10] <tom_> sorry about the grammar there
[09:10] <ochosi> np :)
[09:10] <ochosi> i'm neither a native speaker nor a language-fascist :)
[09:11] <tom_> so I thought: wouldn't it be best for everyone (noobs specificaly) to have it disabled by default
[09:11] <tom_> the experienced user can find the setting easily
[09:11] <tom_> but not the other way around
[09:12] <tom_> that's just my view
[09:14] <ochosi> the thing is that it's already too late for that
[09:14] <ochosi> 12.04 has been released
[09:14] <ochosi> and now pushing a "fix" that disables that menu would mean changing the settings of _all_ users, which would most likely annoy more experienced users
[09:15] <ochosi> (and it's definitely not an option)
[09:15] <tom_> I understand
[09:16] <tom_> thanks ochosi
[09:16] <tom_> have a nice day
[09:18] <ochosi> np, you too
[11:24] <knome> oops!
[11:24] <knome> i just realized that ~xubuntu-doc is a restricted team.
[11:46] <mr_pouit> ochosi: already included
[11:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, so probably it doesn't work
[11:47] <ochosi> (i thought that it was included already anyway)
[15:07] <pleia2> knome: since we encourage doc work upstream in xfce, do you know how they actually work to land in the shipped xubuntu-docs html files?
[15:32] <pleia2> http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Announcement-from-Xubuntu-Users-4058113.S.120818219
[15:32] <pleia2> :)
[16:09] <knome> pleia2, great!
[16:09] <knome> pleia2, so you are now an admin of that group?
[16:09] <knome> pleia2, i'm not sure about all the doc stuff with xfce, we need to investigate that
[16:10] <knome> pleia2, also, we need to think if we want to use mallard or something to create the files from
[16:10] <knome> pleia2, but i'm asking people to join because actually rewriting the docs is the thing that is taking the most time/effort, and we can do that without knowing much
[16:11] <knome> pleia2, the xfce docs are not very healthy either, so we could probably cooperate with them
[16:11] <knome> pleia2, (i'd *love* if the xfce docs were in such good shape we could point users to that mainly!)
[16:13] <pleia2> knome: yep, I'm an admin now on linkedin
[16:13] <knome> good
[16:14] <knome> i'm wondering if that should be linked from footer, or from "press"
[16:14] <knome> or both
[16:14] <pleia2> probably along with G+ and Twitter
[16:15] <knome> done
[16:15] <knome> btw
[16:15] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/
[16:16] <knome> see the note
[16:16] <knome> same with http://xubuntu.org/press/
[16:16] <knome> like the style, or have ideas to improve?
[16:19] <knome> away for a while ->
[23:08] <knome> pleia2, you happen to be around?
[23:24] <pleia2> knome: just got home
[23:24] <pleia2> what's up?
[23:24] <knome> i'll pm