[01:25] <Instabin> im running compiz fusion and when i try to run glxgears my xserver crashes
[01:28] <Pici> then dont run glxgears
[01:33] <alex_mayorga> are some of the buttons not working on a "gazillion" button mouse considered a bug worth filling?
[02:04] <Kousotu> anyone know a good flash editor?
[02:59] <Ahadiel> You know how in Gutsy + Desktop Effects, when you bring a window into focus (above others), the other windows kinda "move off the screen" then come back?
[02:59] <Ahadiel> What animation is that?
[03:00] <Arwen> dunno, desktop effects don't work here
[03:00] <Ahadiel> =/
[03:10] <DanaG> Oh, that animation is "dodge".
[03:13] <miturburu> hi all
[03:15] <miturburu> there are a couple of packages that were left broken after the dist-upgrade
[03:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I just tried the beta LiveCD of SimplyMepis 7.0... and I see no reason to even bother installing it in a VM.
[03:15] <miturburu> when I try to reinstall it or reconfigure it, dpkg complains about error code 10
[03:15] <miturburu> anyone knows how to fix that
[03:16] <Arwen> try just removing the packages
[03:16] <miturburu> it's bloking anything that has to do with apt or dpkg, that means I can't update or nothing
[03:16] <miturburu> Arwen: ye, try removing tzdata it goes with half of the system
[03:16] <Arwen> hmm
[03:17] <Arwen> does apt-get install -f help?
[03:19] <miturburu> arwen: sorry i wasn't that much, but apt was scaring me, I have to type S, haga lo que le digo! to go on, anything that requieres so much typing should be important
[03:20] <miturburu> arwen: will try with forcing apt
[03:20] <Arwen> wait wait..
[03:20] <Arwen> pastebin.
[03:21] <miturburu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3/
[03:21] <DanaG> It's unsafe to force removal of major things.
[03:21] <Arwen> yeah
[03:21] <miturburu> that's what tzdata wan't to take
[03:21] <DanaG> It's slightly less unsafe to force installation of things.
[03:22] <DanaG> I wonder how safe it is to dpkg force-depends-remove tzdata....
[03:22] <Arwen> eh, that doesn't look good. What's the full output when you try to force upgrading tzdata?
[03:22] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of force-removing libc6.   Long as it reinstalls cleanly afterward.
[03:23] <miturburu> lol
[03:23] <miturburu> arwen: that's what I think, those are a buch of locale data
[03:24] <DanaG> Wait, don't use apt to purge it.
[03:24] <miturburu> because I can't
[03:24] <miturburu> it's blocking apt
[03:24] <DanaG> If you're absolutely sure it's safe to remove, you can dpkg --force-depends --purge it.
[03:24] <DanaG> and then apt-get -f install
[03:24] <DanaG> (though I recommend aptitude over apt-get.)
[03:25] <miturburu> aptitude always wants to take a lot of thing away
[03:25] <miturburu> once I run it and take the whole gnome
[03:26] <DanaG> Well, always check what it thinks it should do.
[03:26] <DanaG> Just like any power tool.
[03:28] <miturburu> I will remove it with the whole thing, I'll tel you later
[03:31] <AnRkey> how do i install update-manager 0.59.23 from proposed?
[03:36] <miturburu> amazing I didn't end on tty1 :)
[03:36] <miturburu> I'm downloading the locale support now
[03:37] <AnRkey> ?
[03:40] <miturburu> AnRkey: I've just removed a bunch of locales, but apt was scaring me
[03:41] <AnRkey> ic
[04:24] <dariuskane> Evening folks..... who know about encrypted drives lvm and the boot and init process flow :)
[04:26] <RAOF> OOoh, complex :)
[04:26] <dariuskane> Heh ya well its my curse... doing strange things with linux :)
[04:27] <RAOF> You could see how Debian does it, they support that out of the installer.
[04:27] <RAOF> It *is* possible with Ubuntu, though.
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> actually.. its not init any more! its upstart
[04:27] <RAOF> But upstart is still in sysv-compat-mode, so...
[04:28] <Arwen> it all looks the same to me :-\
[04:28] <RAOF> That's because it is, at the moment :)
[04:28] <dariuskane> ok well heres my setup atm....fiesty just wont do it... I know gutsy isnt ready for release yet but it might do what I need
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> ah ok
[04:29] <dariuskane> I have 2 drives.... a 100mb /boot unencrypted partiton... the rest of both drives both encrypted using LUKS and the cryptsetup tools...
[04:29] <dariuskane> under that encryoption is 1 large LVM volume... split into 5 partitions....
[04:30] <dariuskane> everything works great.. drives can be unlocked and used and the lvm group is all great.. I can manually mount everything just fine
[04:30] <dariuskane> my trouble is during boot
[04:31] <dariuskane> it prompt for the passphrase and immediately tries to mount the LVM group before unlocking the second drive and hence fail miserably since it doesnt have the second half
[04:31] <RAOF> You need to make sure that unlocking the PV is the first thin
[04:31] <RAOF> Oooh.
[04:31] <RAOF> Bah, that key is far too close to keys I use :(
[04:32] <RAOF> Hm.  It's possible that this isn't actuall covered by the current setup.
[04:32] <dariuskane> so does gutsy upstart flow any different then feisty?
[04:32] <RAOF> Not really, although there has been some work in the cryptsetup front.
[04:32] <dariuskane> lol RAOF wouldnt be the first time I've run into the "isnt covered in this setup" problem
[04:32] <RAOF> So it might work.
[04:33] <dariuskane> my other option is to create the LVM group first and then encrypt the partition inside it... but that would leave me with 5 or more passphrases to enter instead of 2
[04:34] <RAOF> Yeah, suboptimal.
[04:34] <dariuskane> and besides.. having the LVM covered by encryption would make this tougher in breaking the encryption since partitons couldnt be readily identified
[04:34] <RAOF> It should be possible to make LVM wait for all the PVs to be available.
[04:35] <RAOF> I'm just totally ignorant as to how to do it
[04:36] <dariuskane> Ive been using slackware for the last 1..2..3.. wait cant count that high....so I dont quite understand how the init and boot is happening
[04:37] <DanaG> Woah, some folders have huge-mongous arrow icons on them.
[04:37] <RAOF> Should be the same sort of system, surely.  SysV init is pretty ubiquitous, right?
[04:37] <DanaG> What happened to the nice, unobtrusive, old arrow?
[04:37] <dariuskane> I hear the package management has improved quite abit in gutsy regarding dependancies and removing nonessential packages
[04:38] <dariuskane> RAOF, ya it is... cept before I started this pet project I hadnt rebooted my slackware server in 2 years :)
[04:38] <RAOF> Yes.  Ubuntu-desktop now Recommends rather than Depends on a whole bunch of stuff, meaning you can safely remove quite a lot of the default system.
[04:40] <DanaG> Something is grabbing my 'del' key and breaking it.
[04:40] <DanaG> How can I tell what app is doing that?
[05:04] <miturburu> hi all
[05:04] <wfarr> anyone getting any mess like this?
[05:04] <wfarr> sh.distrib: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[05:04] <miturburu> does the glx module installs _with_ nvidia driver?
[05:04] <RAOF> Wow, that's awesome.
[05:05] <wfarr> RAOF, I thought so too
[05:05] <wfarr> I reinstalled Dash to no avail
[05:05] <miturburu> wfarr: tryied reconfiguring bash?
[05:05] <wfarr> miturburu, according to dpkg, dash owns /bin/sh
[05:06] <RAOF> Yup, it does.
[05:06] <miturburu> :P
[05:06] <Arwen> dash is part of bash though, isn't it?
[05:06] <RAOF> No
[05:06] <miturburu> it's it replacement
[05:06] <miturburu> another interpreter, AFAIK
[05:06] <Arwen> I thought it was just a subset of bash (same code)
[05:06] <wfarr> so yeah, I get that message on any sh code
[05:07] <wfarr> be it an autogen, configure, or what-have-you
[05:07] <Arwen> um, what are the permissions on /bin/dash ?
[05:07] <Arwen> should be 755
[05:08] <wfarr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   80308 2007-07-29 23:15 dash
[05:08] <wfarr> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4 2007-08-20 23:03 sh -> dash
[05:08] <miturburu> I never managed to read -rwxr-xr-x :(
[05:08] <Arwen> hmm
[05:09] <Arwen> try just typing "dash"
[05:09] <wfarr> I get my lovely "$" and blinking cursor
[05:09] <Arwen> ok... that 's really weird
[05:10] <Arwen> (you can exit out of it now if you want)
[05:11] <jkimball4> In network-manager-openvpn, is anyone finding that the cipher list is empty? For me, it's been empty for some months, thus I can't connect to my corporate VPN with the nm-applet front-end; I must use the openvpn cli client.
[05:12] <wfarr> $ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[05:12] <wfarr> bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[05:12] <wfarr> yeah it really doesn't like me
[05:14] <wfarr> woah
[05:14] <wfarr> I tried running "sh configure"
[05:14] <wfarr> and it spat out an error about my C compiler... even though I've got all my build-deps
[05:14] <wfarr> :S
[05:14] <Arwen> it work?
[05:14] <wfarr> No.
[05:15] <wfarr> checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
[05:15] <wfarr> If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
[05:15] <Arwen> weird
[05:15] <wfarr> Which shouldn't be the case because I have all the build-deps for this package
[05:15] <Arwen> do you have build-essentail as well? packages never build-dep against it.
[05:15] <wfarr> Yes
[05:17] <miturburu> well no matter what I do I can't get nvidia to work properly
[05:24] <miturburu> I just installed nvidia from restricted-manager and I end up with xorg complaining about "no usable screen". I removed xorg.conf and here I am running vesa and with displayconfig-gtk not recognizing me as sudo
[05:24] <miturburu> :(
[05:29] <miturburu> this was the geekst day of my life, thanks to all who help me fix my brand new gutsy box
[05:30] <miturburu> I will go sleep now
[05:30] <miturburu> bye
[05:49] <DanaG> Hmm, I thought of one thing the Ubuntu devs could learn from that Mepis 7 beta.
[05:50] <DanaG> Boot the liveCD, and log in.  Observe how consistent the artwork is, from splash to kdm to wallpaper.
[05:50] <DanaG> Ubuntu is missing that consistency, though I do like the Ubuntu artwork.
[05:51] <Arwen> Ubuntu hasn't had any good artwork since they decided to drop DawnOfUbuntu in feisty...
[05:52] <fignew> fighting words
[05:53] <Arwen> it's true... the wallpapers are just blurs of different shades of brown
[05:55] <DanaG> I found a nice wallpaper on here: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details.php?id=975
[05:55] <DanaG> REALLY nice.
[05:56] <Arwen> ick, widescreen
[05:56] <fignew> hardly
[05:56] <Arwen> but you're right, those are nice
[05:56] <fignew> it's regular 4:3 too
[05:57] <DanaG> That's the one wallpaper that finally unseated Dawn of Ubuntu.
[05:58] <DanaG> On my desktop, I mean.
[05:58] <DanaG> Argh, conflicting terms: my desktop wallpaper on my laptop computer.
[06:04] <instabin> I just rebooted and got a grub error 22
[06:06] <DanaG> Here's an exercise in pointlessness: running links2 with graphics and mouse (via GPM) in a TTY in a VM.
[06:06] <DanaG> Well, if I were needing to download something to the VM, it'd be less pointless.
[06:06] <instabin> Ahhh!!! it was b/c my usb hard drive was attached
[06:06] <instabin> thats dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[06:07] <DanaG> Another exercise in pointlessness: hibernating the VM.
[06:07] <Amaranth> not at all
[06:08] <DanaG> Well, I guess it's good for testing suspend, but I meant for regular use.  You're right.
[06:10] <Arwen> Mepis? and what's GPM?
[06:11] <DanaG> It's a distro that was based off debian, then moved to being based off Ubuntu, and now is moving back to being based off Debian.
[06:11] <DanaG> Oh, and gpm is a thingy that gives you some mouse functions in console.
[06:11] <DanaG> !info gpm
[06:12] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-25 (gutsy), package size 372 kB, installed size 708 kB
[06:12] <Arwen> ah
[06:17] <xtknight> getting "bus error"s on some gnome apps like firefox and epiphany any ideas?  (gutsy x64)
[06:17] <DanaG> Oh, here's a new feature the 100.14.11 drivers add for my system: hotkey display switching, though without automatic resolution changing.
[06:18] <DanaG> Here's another feature: they freeze the X server when Compiz exits.  Lovely, eh?
[06:18] <xtknight> DanaG, hehe same here
[06:18] <xtknight> but builtin 9755s dont work for me
[06:18] <DanaG> 8{3,4,5,6}00 series?
[06:18] <xtknight> 7800gt
[06:18] <DanaG> (I guess there's no 3.)
[06:19] <xtknight> i cant understand why gutsy works fine in my VM but when i go to install it on my pc, hell breaks loose
[06:19] <DanaG> Hah, I think the name "GeForce 8500" is funny -- it collides with Radeon 8500.
[06:19] <DanaG> And when NVIDIA moves to 9xxx, watch out for more naming collisions.
[06:20] <DanaG> And Intel's Core 2... QX6600 and such, and Quadro.
[06:20] <Pumpernickel> They'll probably rename it to 'IX'.
[06:21] <Pumpernickel> Or follow the Apple lead and name it the 'iX'.
[06:21] <xtknight> Unable to open binary database %s: %s /usr/share/command-not-found/programs.d/amd64-universe.db (22, 'Invalid argument')
[06:21] <xtknight> type a cmd thta doesn't exist, using the last updates.  do you get this or is my pc just seriously screwed up?
[06:33] <Instabin> !find bitstream
[06:33] <ubotu> Found: ttf-bitstream-vera, vdr-plugin-bitstreamout
[06:34] <Instabin> !find ttf-bitstream-vera
[06:34] <ubotu> Found: ttf-bitstream-vera
[06:35] <Instabin> !find ttf
[06:35] <ubotu> Found: libfont-ttf-perl, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libsdl-ttf2.0-dev, ttf-alee, ttf-arabeyes (and 85 others)
[06:35] <Instabin> !package
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <Instabin> !package bitstream
[06:46] <DanaG> Is there any way to make scrolling smoother, like on Apple's laptops?  I just tried the touchpad on an Apple laptop, and I must say, their scrolling is nice.  However, I don't plan to abandon Ubuntu any time.
[07:13] <databuddy> sorry about all the join/parts failing kvirc - dont bother using that client with mass channels
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[09:06] (luckz/#ubuntu+1) SeveredCross: http://pastebin.ca/665328
[09:11] <SeveredCross> Looks like your device is eth3...
[09:11] <SeveredCross> #
[09:11] <SeveredCross> [   61.145693]  e1000: eth3: e1000_set_tso: TSO is Enabled
[09:13] <luckz> I.. yeah, you are smart.
[09:13] <luckz> I took a while.
[09:13] <luckz> namely until I stumbled over cat /prov/net/dev
[09:13] <luckz> ifup eth3 -> Ignoring unknown interface eth3=eth3
[09:13] <luckz> maybe next time I will try |grep eth rather than |grep eth0
[09:14] <Eq|lappy> luckz: check /etc/network/interfaces
[09:14] <Eq|lappy> ifup uses that - if there's no mention of eth3, it ain't going to come up.
[09:14] <luckz> yeah. added that there.
[09:14] <luckz> only went up to eth2.
[09:14] <luckz> but why is it eth3?
[09:15] <Eq|lappy> udev
[09:15] <Eq|lappy> my guess is you've had other hardware on this install at some point?
[09:15] <Eq|laptop> gotta run.. late for work.
[09:16] <luckz> I assume that's it.
[09:16] <SeveredCross> I just looked for ethernet stuff in dmesg.
[09:19] <luckz> working now :D
[09:22] <_buz> i'm seeing this again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/50770/
[09:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50770 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager "no network device found" if wired connection plugged in before starting" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:22] <_buz> it seemed fixed in feisty, but not it appears again
[09:54] <pvandewyngaerde> i no longer have segfaults at startup, nice
[10:07] <chasetoys> help!  what --with-cards option should i put for my AD1984 HD Audio controller .... sound card device (t61's sound card) (when compiling alsa)
[10:10] <dariuskane> Evening folks..... who know about encrypted drives lvm and the boot and initramfs process flow :)
[10:17] <chasetoys> cana nyone help me install alsa fro msource
[11:57] <pucca> hi everyone
[11:57] <pucca> has anyone had any problems with gutsy after running sudo apt-get update?
[11:58] <pucca> has anyone had any problems with gutsy after running sudo apt-get update?
[11:59] <Xemanth> what kind of problems?
[12:01] <Zombie> Does the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes?
[12:02] <pucca> Xemanth I cant get a working desktop now
[12:02] <Zombie>  Option         "metamodes" "1680x1050 +0+0; 832x624 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0; 320x240 +0+0"
[12:02] <Eq|work> pucca : just apt-get update won't change that
[12:02] <Eq|work> apt-get upgrade could, but unlikely to break things
[12:02] <pucca> Xemanth everytime I try, but after the loading menu, I get a black screen
[12:03] <Xemanth> pucca: you're ubuntu or kubuntu user ?
[12:03] <Xemanth> or xubuntu
[12:04] <pucca> Eq|work yeah, I did apt-get update first, but then I did apt-get dist-upgrade, and it said that not all updates would be installed, so it said it could do a partial upgrade and install as many updates as possible
[12:04] <pucca> Xemanth Ubuntu Gutsy Tribe 4
[12:04] <Xemanth> i don't know about its problems, i'm kubuntu user
[12:04] <Xemanth> i haven't had problems yet
[12:04] <Xemanth> ever :)
[12:04] <pucca> I can get to the recovery console though, I just dont know what to do to sortout that problem
[12:05] <pucca> Xemanth oh...ok...
[12:05] <pucca> Eq|work any suggestions?
[12:06] <pucca> anybody?lol...I'm just thinking about reinstalling it.
[12:16] <ion> Is it possible for an Ubuntu apt repository .deb to be backdoored?
[12:22] <c1|freaky> there are mirrors. it might be that one of them becomes hacked - u can never say for sure (my opinion)
[12:23] <pvandewyngaerde> aren't they signed ?
[12:23] <RAOF> c1|freaky: But the packages are all signed.  To actually compromise security, the Cannonical build-daemons would need to be compromised.
[12:23] <c1|freaky> oh i forgot
[12:24] <RAOF> c1|freaky: This is one reason for the "UNSIGNED PACKAGES!!!" warning you get when the keyring is out of date, or with 3rd party repos.
[12:24] <c1|freaky> yea ;)
[12:48] <garu> hi everyone
[12:50] <garu> I've just installed ubuntu gutsy and I got a question...I've just opened the update manager, and clicked to check for available updates...there are quite a few...but it says that not all updates can be installed so, is asking me if I want to do a partial upgrade...I finished installing gutsy now because I did a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" inmy previous gutsy installation and could no longer see a working desktop.
[12:51] <Eq|work> just do a partial
[12:51] <garu> I'm kinda confused weather to proceed with the partial upgrade as I did before, or just close that request and click on install updates
[12:51] <Eq|work> it's because it needs to replace libmtp5 with libmtp6
[12:51] <garu> Eq|work isnt that gonna mess up the system again?
[12:51] <Eq|work> worked fine for me
[12:51] <garu> humn...oki doki
[12:52] <garu> by the way...Eq|work did u manage to get compiz fusion to work?
[12:52] <Eq|work> it was working from the start.
[12:53] <garu> Eq|work and all u had to do was compiz --replace?
[12:54] <Eq|work> i didn't have to do _anything_
[12:54] <Eq|work> it just worked
[12:54] <garu> Eq|work i tried in two different laptops, and i just can't figure out
[12:55] <Eq|work> all i did was install
[12:55] <Eq|work> compiz was working as soon as x was working
[12:55] <garu> Eq|work some forums say that we gotta install compiz config manafer
[12:56] <Eq|work> you don't need to install that to get it working
[12:56] <Zombie> Hello?
[12:56] <Zombie> Does the intel driver for the i810 chipset support Meta Modes?
[12:57] <Eq|work> wth is a meta mode?
[12:57] <garu> Eq|work one of the laptops has an ati card, which has given me problems with compiz fusion before, but the other one has intel 945gm graphics...never had any problems with that laptop, specially with feisty, everything works straight away
[12:58] <Eq|work> well, i had compiz working straight off on my own laptop, which has a radeon mobility 7500, and my work laptop, which is an intel 965gm
[12:58] <Eq|work> i didn't have to do anything at all.
[12:58] <garu> Eq|work but with gutsy...once i select extra effects, it says "no nvidia hardware" :s
[01:18] <Zombie> I tried recalculating my Modelines with GTF]
[01:19] <Zombie> The result hasn't changed.
[01:21] <Zombie> Eq|laptop: How familiar are you with meta Modes?
[01:37] <WeeJeWel> im getting an error while trying to update to gutsy through the update-manager..
[01:38] <WeeJeWel> Could someone please look at this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34518/
[01:40] <garu> hi everyone again
[01:41] <jrib> WeeJeWel: what version of update-manager is that?
[01:41] <WeeJeWel> the newest i think
[01:41] <WeeJeWel> apt didnt find any newer
[01:41] <jrib> apt-cache policy update-manager
[01:42] <WeeJeWel> Genstalleerd: 1:0.59.20
[01:42] <WeeJeWel>   Kandidaat: 1:0.59.20
[01:42] <WeeJeWel> installed / candidate
[01:42] <jrib> you need feisty-proposed or feisty-updates version 1:0.59.23
[01:42] <garu> Eq|work yeah...I messed up the system again just by doing the partial upgrade
[01:43] <WeeJeWel> where to get them?
[01:43] <garu> can someone tell me if u'v had any problem doing updates with gutsy?
[01:43] <jrib> WeeJeWel: enable the -proposed or -updates repo in Software Sources
[01:43] <WeeJeWel> okay, thx :)
[01:44] <Pici> WeeJeWel: Also if you run it from the terminal again, you should use gksudo
[01:45] <WeeJeWel> whats the difference? :)
[01:47] <Pici> WeeJeWel: gksudo properly sets up things for the graphical environment that sudo does not.  I'm actually not sure of the specifics.
[01:47] <garu> I got a problem...I installed gutsy gibbon, and then, checked for updates...the system told me it couldnt install all updates so it proposed me a partial upgrade, which would install as many updates as possible...after the partial update was done, I decided to restart the computer, only to to stuck in a black screen (didnt actually finished restarting), then...I had to turn physically shut down the computer and then turn it on, a
[01:47] <garu> fter the ubuntu loading screen, "it went into a dark ocean again",black screen and nothing else, cant even login...can someone help?
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> Okay thanks
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> its updating now :))
[01:47] <garu> sorry for the long lines
[01:49] <WeeJeWel> damn
[01:49] <WeeJeWel> 850MB :|
[01:49] <WeeJeWel> how are they ever gonna put that onto a cd?
[02:08] <buz> do i have another chance at using filters in kmail except for using kmail 3.5.6 from feisty?
[02:08] <buz> oh wait that's kmail 1.9.6 instead of 1.9.7
[02:12] <AhDiCt3D> Anyone got any idea how to install video drivers in gutsy without it crashing?
[02:32] <TheInfinity> AhDiCt3D: depends on graphics adapter ;)
[02:35] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: Every time i install it in gutsy it crashes but it works fine in feisty
[02:36] <TheInfinity> look at xorg log etc
[02:36] <Xemanth> AhDiCt3D: what gfx card do you have?
[02:36] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: I have and sent it to everyone here etc i have a Nvidia GeForce 8600MGT
[02:37] <AhDiCt3D> Xemanth
[02:37] <Xemanth> i c
[02:38] <TheInfinity> AhDiCt3D: i have the same prob *g*
[02:38] <TheInfinity> and xorg crashed complete?
[02:38] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: Same adapter as me?
[02:38] <TheInfinity> so that you cant access console?
[02:38] <Xemanth> i don't know about so new stuff
[02:38] <Xemanth> i'm off, workday over ->
[02:38] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: Yes and it cycles the OS over and over and over so im just reinstalling it
[02:39] <TheInfinity> AhDiCt3D: great. same problem here.
[02:39] <TheInfinity> until now no solution.
[02:39] <TheInfinity> you have also a MBP? :)
[02:39] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: Bug maybe?
[02:39] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: MBP?
[02:39] <TheInfinity> AhDiCt3D: nvidia says next release many bugs with 8600 willl be fixed
[02:39] <TheInfinity> mac book pro
[02:40] <AhDiCt3D> TheInfinity: Heck no i cant stand the no-right-click i got an Asus G1S Gamers laptop with new Santa Rosa stuff
[02:40] <TheInfinity> ah okay ;)
[02:40] <TheInfinity> but same prob. hmm-
[02:58] <Fracture> i'm running an up to date gutsy install, and when I enable desktop-effects, any hard drive IO really slows down the GUI, even stopping it for up to a second at a time.  i.e. when running apt-get update, or upgrade
[03:09] <buti> hi. i'm running gutsy. and oo won't start. any ideas?
[03:09] <buti> kubuntu gutsy, that is
[03:10] <buti> soffice starts fine.
[03:11] <buti> but as soon as i want to make a new document it hangs, with cpu 100%
[03:15] <Fracture> any pointers on how to improve compiz's responsiveness ?
[03:15] <Arwen> turn it off :-P
[03:15] <Fracture> lol
[03:15] <Arwen> if it's not responsive for you, you probably need to fix your 3d acceleration
[03:16] <Fracture> well.. I really like the flicker free screen updates .. (for example switching fast using alt-tab)
[03:16] <Arwen> ok, so, explain responsiveness? other than disabling effects, there's no real way to improve your fps.
[03:16] <Fracture> with metacity, you can see (albeit quite fast, but still flickering) the windows redraw, and it gives me a headache
[03:17] <Arwen> (and yeah, compositing anti-tear is awesome)
[03:17] <Fracture> I don't actually want anything else.. just that !
[03:17] <Fracture> personally, I'd love to have standard metacity with anti-tear :)
[03:18] <Arwen> try that compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:18] <Arwen> try installing*
[03:18] <Arwen> and anti-tear requires 3d rendering, so I don't think you're gonna see it in metacity :-)
[03:19] <Fracture> ok.. i've installed compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:19] <Fracture> nw what :)
[03:19] <Fracture> now what :)
[03:19] <Arwen> run it (I haven't used compiz in a while, sorry)
[03:19] <Arwen> I think it should be under prefs somewhere
[03:19] <Fracture> ok.. looks to me like a fine grained version of 'desktop-effects' :)
[03:20] <Arwen> yeah, try disabling stuff and see if it'll improve your fps
[03:21] <Fracture> fps is fine usually.. its only when I have disk IO.  for example running : dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/tmp bs=1M count=10, while moving a window around will cause it to block the GUI for up to a second
[03:21] <Arwen> weird, I'm not entirely sure what you can do about that
[03:22] <Arwen> I think an old edgy beta I used had issues with IO and responsiveness
[03:22] <Fracture> i've done some searching, but couldn't find anything that seemed to fix it
[03:24] <Fracture> I enabled the benchmark compiz module.. and I get ~86 fps when sitting doing nothing, or draging windows around etc..  but when I run that dd command, it drops to 10 fps
[03:25] <Pici> Fracture: What are your computer's specs/
[03:25] <Pici> ?
[03:26] <Fracture> AMD 64, 3500+, 2 gig ram, Nvidia video card using nvidia binary driver
[03:26] <Fracture> two monitors, using LVM to mange multiple sata hard drives
[03:27] <Fracture> nvidia card is GeForce 6600 GT
[03:27] <Pici> hm
[03:29] <Fracture> I re-ran the dd commad, using of=/dev/null and have the same issue.. so its nothing to do with the hard drive
[03:31] <Pici> Hm.. Have you tried keeping top open while you do that?
[03:32] <Fracture> I have a system-monitor panel applet with CPU/mem/load panels. .. but,. when the compiz benchmark plugin is running, the CPU sits at about 90%
[03:33] <Fracture> I disabled the compiz benchmark plugin and ran some tests : both with and without compiz enabled, that dd command still uses 99% CPU
[03:33] <buti> any ideas why openoffice.org is bugging on kubuntu gutsy?
[03:36] <Fracture> when I say CPU I mean the system-monitor panel applet's CPU bar.  I ran top, and did the same thing : in both cases (with and without compiz) the CPU was < 1%us and > 95%sy
[03:39] <dandel> Fracture, what driver version are you using for nvidia?
[03:39] <Fracture> dandel:  nvidia-glx                                1:1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-9.8
[03:39] <Fracture> dandel:  nvidia-kernel-common                      20051028+1ubuntu7
[03:39] <dandel> hmm
[03:40] <dandel> which video card?
[03:40] <Fracture> dandel:  GeForce 6600 GT
[03:40] <Fracture> PCI express
[03:40] <dandel> try downloading the latest driver: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[03:41] <Fracture> ok
[03:41] <Fracture> I may try using envy to install it ;)
[03:41] <dandel> envy?
[03:41] <Fracture> http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=107
[03:43] <Fracture> sorry.. this url is better ; http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[03:43] <dandel> hmm not very good :P
[03:43] <Fracture> well.. I dunno how else I would do it
[03:44] <Fracture> I dunno how things like the driver and the restricted modules package inter-operate
[03:44] <dandel> ahuh, well i use ATI though.
[03:44] <dandel> i know that supports it, at least from a screenshot.
[03:46] <fsckr> fsckr> hey guys i have a problem with the font in my firefox.  http://fsckr.net/images/ff.jpg I have no idea why its like this.  I have tried to change the font in preferences but it doesn't help has anyone else had this type of problem?
[03:46] <fsckr> using gutsy
[03:47] <Arwen> try deleting your firefox profile (rm -r ~/.mozilla/firefox) or just renaming it (mv ~/.mozilla/firefox backupprofile)
[03:48] <Arwen> and wow, huge icons anyone?
[03:48] <Fracture> brb - restarting X to try new driver
[03:50] <dandel> hmm... does anyone know how to get gnash to handle flash files in firefox?
[03:51] <Arwen> poorly?
[03:52] <sid> How can I add a printer in Gutsy? In Vista it finds it right away, no user/pass and I'm printing right off the bat.
[03:52] <Arwen> sys -> admin -> printers I think
[03:53] <Fracture> dandel: nope - new driver has no change
[03:53] <dandel> sid, what type of printer?
[03:54] <Fracture> well.. apart from increasing my normal fps to 125 !!
[03:54] <dandel> ^.^ see it was worth it.
[03:54] <Fracture> lol
[03:54] <Pici> sid: Did it work in Feisty?
[03:54] <Fracture> still, the GUI becomes unusable when doing apt-get update, or upgrade etc..
[03:54] <Arwen> stupid ATI pice of junk..
[03:55] <Fracture> I mean totally unusable.. frozen
[03:55] <dandel> arwen, which video card?
[03:55] <sid> dandel: A stand-alone HP Laserjet
[03:55] <sid> it's got a built in nic
[03:55] <Pici> Fracture: Sounds like it could be a cpu issue.
[03:55] <dandel> oh.
[03:55] <sid> Pici: I don't have Feisty
[03:55] <Arwen> dandel, I just said it was a piece of ATI junk..
[03:55] <Fracture> Pici: how do you mean ?  it is only when  IO happens
[03:56] <Pici> Fracture: Er, nevermind, my brain isnt running on enough caffiene yet.
[03:56] <Fracture> Pici:  lol.. I know the feeling !
[03:56] <dandel> Arwen, what model is the card... that might explain a bit.
[03:56] <Arwen> X300SE, so it probably won't get good fps even with a good driver
[03:57] <Arwen> but really, every ATI card underperforms on Linux
[03:57] <dandel> Arwen, try donating work to the open source Avivo driver.
[03:57] <dandel> hmm... it underperforms due to driver generalizations.
[03:57] <dandel> they iron out performance on all system specifications.
[03:58] <hylje> nvidia drivers are quite performant and quite general
[03:58] <dandel> sid, the HP laserjet of yours uses UPNP for finding it... which i gotta find out how to query it.
[03:59] <sid> dandel: ok
[03:59] <sid> I go to Administration/Printing, I click on Add Printer, and it gives me a bunch of choices.
[04:00] <dandel> sid, i'm checking a package to install on your box... give me a sec.
[04:00] <dandel> should configure the printer right away once i find it.
[04:00] <sid> dandel: Print to PDF, Windows Printer via Samba, AppSocke/HP JetDirect, Internet Printing Protocol, LPD/LPR Host or Printer, Other
[04:01] <dandel> Sid, wait a sec... gotta ask you to run a single line in the command line.
[04:01] <dandel> try this: sudo apt-get install linux-igd
[04:02] <sid> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-igd: Depends: libupnp0 but it is not installable
[04:02] <sid> E: Broken packages
[04:03] <dandel> well isn't fun... :/
[04:03] <dandel> linux-igp is meant to do make upnp aware devices work right.
[04:03] <Arwen> try installing libupnp0 and see what the problem is
[04:05] <Pici> libupnp0 doesnt look like it made it to gutsy for whatever reason
[04:06] <Arwen> ah
[04:06] <dandel> i didn't expect this one 0o
[04:07] <dandel> libupnp0 is for upnp support which is plug and play over ip.
[04:07] <Arwen> (huge security risk, do *you* want someone remotely configuring your router?)
[04:08] <dandel> Arwen, that's where you use filtering.
[04:09] <dandel> sid, install this package: libupnp2
[04:09] <Pici> afaik, ip hp printers shouldnt require anything else out of the box
[04:10] <dandel> pici, Linux-igp just needs an updated version.
[04:16] <buti> mmh. does openoffice work for you?
[04:16] <buti> on gutsy?
[04:17] <masquerade> Just opened and it loaded fine. gnome-terminal and nautilus on the other hand, aren't running correctly :)
[04:19] <buti> then i suspect it is Kubuntu-related.
[04:20] <buti> i neeed openoffice :-/
[04:21] <Pici> buti: Its a known issue.  I think you need to install gnome-openoffice for it to work, but dont quote me on that.
[04:22] <buti> Pici: thanks, i'll try this
[04:31] <Pici> I logged bug 133852 for the libupnp0 issue.  If anyone cares to add anything, feel free.
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133852 in linux-igd "[Gutsy]  Broken dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133852
[04:37] <chrisjs169> I just upgraded to Gutsy a few minutes ago, and fonts in Firefox/XChat (and possibly others) are a lot smaller, and text is being cut off
[04:37] <chrisjs169> eg: sen3 has quitRemote closed the connec)
[04:38] <masquerade> chrisjs169, I haven't seen that problem but I haven't restarted lately, and that might be needed to trigger it
[04:40] <masquerade> I'm having a lovely issue in gutsy with my gnome-apps not wanting to load
[04:40] <masquerade> gnome-terminal, gedit, nautilus
[04:41] <buti> Pici: i had to apt-get remove openoffice.org-kde
[04:41] <chrisjs169|afk> masquerade, weird - restarting XChat fixed it - I can see the full topic now :p
[04:41] <buti> seems kde-support is buggy
[04:41] <masquerade> bluefish is another :)
[04:41] <chrisjs169|afk> some fonts still look 'small' but are readable
[04:44] <masquerade> http://pastebin.ca/665684 <-- last bit of an strace of me trying to open gnome-terminal
[04:44] <masquerade> would paste the whole thing but that'd take a while without having a graphical text editor where I can select the whole thing -_-
[04:45] <pvandewyngaerde> stupid cups is giving me troubles again
[04:45] <Eq|work> masquerade : strace can output to a text file.
[04:46] <masquerade> Eq|work, I did output to a text file. The difficult part is opening that text file in something graphical where I can hit ctrl+a and send it to you ;-P
[04:46] <Eq|work> you have a working browser?
[04:46] <buti> lol
[04:46] <Eq|work> if so, just attach the file :P
[04:46] <Eq|work> or hell, use file://
[04:46] <Eq|work> it'll read text files :P
[04:47] <Eq|work> then you can select & paste
[04:47] <masquerade> touche :)
[04:47] <masquerade> I'm betting that that paste has enough to diagnose the problem now though, as stracing gedit gets me in a similar place
[04:48] <masquerade> looks like an issue with esd
[04:48] <Eq|work> i think esd isn't in gutsy.. at least not by default.
[04:48] <masquerade> it writes NDNE to the socket for /tmp/.esd/socket and then fails to read from that socket
[04:49] <masquerade> hmm, you know, I installed ubuntustudio the other day on top of my gutsy (yes, brilliant, I know)
[04:50] <masquerade> that might be it as esound is definitely installed here and I didn't do it by hand
[04:50] <sid> Package libupnp0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:50] <sid> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:50] <sid> is only available from another source
[04:50] <sid> E: Package libupnp0 has no installation candidate
[04:51] <sid> dandel: ok, I installed it. now what?
[04:52] <masquerade> and there we go, sudo apt-get remove esound and killall esd and its all running again
[04:52] <TerraMaster> Hey im trying to get an external drive partisioned any help?
[04:52] <TerraMaster> or should I say mounted
[04:54] <TerraMaster> any help?
[04:55] <buti> thanks folks, bye
[04:57] <sid> dandel / Pici / Arwen what should I do after I install libupnp2?
[04:58] <Pici> sid: That package appears to be broken on Gutsy.
[05:00] <TerraMaster> Hey im trying to get an external drive mounted any help?
[05:07] <kelsa|martalli> Since I upgraded to gutsy, many programs (Thunderbird, firefox, and so on) on this machine are rendering fonts to be very small.  I am suspecting that this is the result of some underlying gnome setting.  Is there a place I could look?  I looked at Appearance and default fonts, but they do not seem to help...maybe the problem is the pixel density (I am using a standard old LCD..probably 96 dpi or something like that...)
[05:08] <masquerade> kelsa|martalli, someone else recently had that issue in here, never narrowed down what exactly it was. Did you try searching launchpad?
[05:08] <Pici> kelsa|martalli: apperance->fonts->details->dpi
[05:10] <kelsa|martalli> Pici:  Thanks!  That worked perfectly.  I set it at 96 and things look great - previously it was 70
[05:46] <TerraMaster> I need to mount an external harddrive...... I dont se it when I go to use the fdisk -l command in temanal..... any help? Its a ntfs format with some windows stuff I want to run in wine
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> !ntfs
[05:47] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> !ntfs-3g
[05:47] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:52] <Eq|work> hrm.. 2.6.22-10-generic seems to be starting to appear..
[05:57] <stdin> starting yeah, not quite there yet tho
[05:58] <Eq|work> stdin : yeah, except they've done it backwards
[05:58] <Eq|work> the actual kernel packages should always be uploaded BEFORE the wrapper packages are upgraded.
[05:59] <stdin> yeah, but it's more fun this way, we're all waiting in anticipation :p
[06:02] <TerraMaster> I need help with instructions the bot gave....
[06:03] <TerraMaster> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[06:03] <TerraMaster> #
[06:03] <TerraMaster> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[06:03] <TerraMaster> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[06:03] <TerraMaster> # /dev/hda3
[06:03] <TerraMaster> UUID=253f3428-ed60-4c1b-ac44-aca76931bc38 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:03] <TerraMaster> # /dev/hda1
[06:03] <TerraMaster> UUID=C8B4235DB4234D6E /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[06:03] <TerraMaster> # /dev/hda5
[06:03] <TerraMaster> UUID=2d163a1b-e661-4081-a41f-232b499e34df none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:03] <TerraMaster> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[06:03] <TerraMaster> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:03] <finalbeta> !paste
[06:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:03] <TerraMaster> oops XD
[06:04] <finalbeta> what's the problem?
[06:05] <TerraMaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34537/ I dont know what to edit to get my external drive to mount
[06:06] <finalbeta> You shouldn't edit anything. the drive should mount, it it doesn't there is a problem
[06:06] <finalbeta> you can use a gui tool like gparted to see if the drive is recognized and has partitions.
[06:06] <TerraMaster> ok.....
[06:06] <TerraMaster> do I have gparted?
[06:07] <Arwen> probably not
[06:07] <TerraMaster> ok....
[06:07] <finalbeta> If it's not recognised, check dmesg for any output related, and post a message on lauchpad.
[06:08] <TerraMaster> dmesg?
[06:08] <finalbeta> it's a command
[06:08] <TerraMaster> ok
[06:09] <finalbeta> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_dmesg.htm
[06:09] <TerraMaster> I hope I dont have to partison it Ive got some stuff on it
[06:13] <Eq|work> sudo apt-get install gparted
[06:13] <Eq|work> if you want to install parted
[06:13] <Eq|work> and if it doesn't recognise it, try it in another machine
[06:13] <Eq|work> or even in another usb port
[06:13] <Eq|work> does lsusb show something being plugged in?
[06:14] <pvandewyngaerde> http://pastebin.com/m58ca4c50  > cupsys giving me troubles
[06:16] <TerraMaster> isusb?
[06:17] <Pici> lsusb
[06:17] <finalbeta> lsusb >L<
[06:17] <TerraMaster> L or I
[06:18] <TerraMaster> OK!
[06:18] <finalbeta> jeez
[06:19] <TerraMaster> how do I bring it up?
[06:19] <TerraMaster> lsusb
[06:19] <Pici> TerraMaster: I dont mean to offend, but why are you running Gutsy over the stable version?
[06:20] <TerraMaster> ummm its the only one my friend had And I dont have acess to another comp
[06:20] <finalbeta> pvandewyngaerde: that indicates a problem with the package. Probably because you installed something from a non official repository. But i'm just guessing on that. You should check launchpad for a bugreport, and if needed, add one.
[06:20] <TerraMaster> oh and its not decteing my drive.....
[06:20] <pvandewyngaerde> i have medibuntu reps
[06:21] <finalbeta> Add that to the bugreport if you make one.
[06:22] <finalbeta> I can't help you with a solution, I have no idea how to trace this stuff.
[06:23] <Lin> where can I find the new features put on gutsy?
[06:24] <Lin> I mean. A file with description of changes. Something as a changelog.
[06:24] <finalbeta> this is what ubuntu will be adding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/
[06:24] <pvandewyngaerde> finalbeta:  i removed cups, i dont need it
[06:24] <Pici> finalbeta: that should be in a factoid
[06:24] <finalbeta> it will have a new gnome version 2, so check those
[06:25] <finalbeta> !help
[06:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:26] <finalbeta> This is a page for Tribe 4 http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[06:30] <Eq|work> TerraMaster : so nothing shows up in lsusb ?
[06:31] <TerraMaster> nope
[06:33] <Eq|work> try another usb port
[06:34] <TerraMaster> nothing but I know my usbs are working
[06:35] <finalbeta> check dmesg, will show errors.
[06:35] <TerraMaster> I do belive my cable is to blame
[06:35] <TerraMaster> I just put it in my printer
[06:36] <TerraMaster> -________- sigh
[06:36] <TerraMaster> good thing im goin out of town today....
[06:36] <TerraMaster> thanks for you help
[06:41] <pvandewyngaerde> my cupsys error looks a lot like this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/130014
[06:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130014 in cupsys "[Gutsy]  Unable to upgrade or reinstall cupsys after trying to upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[07:03] <finalbeta> pvandewyngaerde: a little, but it's not the same.
[07:21] <Do``> i'm hearing there is a new flash 9 plugin (namely flash 9 update 3 beta 2) that brings new codec supprt and stuff
[07:21] <Do``> now there are confirmed bugs with the current one (<IP_ADDRESS> or something(
[07:21] <Do``> any chance this new version fixes those?
[07:21] <Do``> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/21/1235201&from=rss
[07:22] <Do``> this is the new flash thingy
[07:22] <Do``> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/131212
[07:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131212 in flashplugin-nonfree "[gutsy]  opera slow down/crash when browsing a page with flash (non-free) content" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:22] <Do``> and this is the bug i'm referring to
[07:26] <finalbeta> where do I change options for the shut down dialog in gconf? When I press the shut down button, my session freezes, I wanna have a look in there.
[07:28] <yaccin> i have serious network troubles with kubuntu gutsy
[07:28] <yaccin> and with ubuntu i couldnt even get it to work :(
[07:31] <Do``> like?
[07:34] <yaccin> like getting disconnected every 30-40 seconds
[07:35] <yaccin> (with kopete + konqueror
[07:35] <yaccin> i dont even get a connection with konversation
[07:35] <yaccin> and apt-get also doesnt really work
[07:39] <Do``> that doesn't sound very promising
[07:40] <dick-richardson> was there a samba update recently?
[07:40] <dick-richardson> smbfs, more specifically
[07:40] <yaccin> Do``: jup :(
[07:40] <yaccin> and i cant even update to see if its fixed because apt doesnt work -_-
[07:41] <Do``> dick-richardson: Setting up samba-common (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...Setting up smbclient (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...
[07:41] <Do``> today in the afternoon (couple hours ago)
[07:41] <dick-richardson> alright. I'll just hang out
[07:42] <Do``> oh and Setting up libsmbclient (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...Setting up libsmbclient-dev (3.0.25b-1ubuntu4) ...
[07:42] <dick-richardson> I figured there must've been when I could connect w/my n800 but not my laptop
[07:45] <xtknight> Does anyone else get a "Bus error" on Gutsy amd64 (latest updates) when running Firefox?
[07:45] <xtknight> i reported a bug for this ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/133786 )
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133786 in Ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New]
[08:46] <dariuskane> Afternoon folks
[08:46] <dariuskane> Anyone up and about?
[08:48] <Pici> perhaps
[08:48] <dariuskane> hey Pici... trying to find someone who run with encrytped partition with lvm across multiple drives.. and if gutsy handles it better then feisty
[08:49] <Pici> dariuskane: I have no idea, sorry
[08:49] <dariuskane> Pici, sok havent found anyone else whos tried it yet :)
[08:50] <dariuskane> the initramfs scripts seem to be tripping over themselves
[09:19] <shirish> hi all, is anybody other than me having issues with kernel dependencies stuff?
[09:20] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34556/ for reference
[09:30] <malnilion> shirish, yeah they're unmarked for a reason
[09:31] <malnilion> They're unmarked for me too
[09:32] <shirish> malnilion: thanx, just wanted to know if somebody had been having issues or just me, now its good, maybe if i was here before would also have come to know of some bug no. somebody might have filed for it.
[09:33] <malnilion> I'm not sure if there's a bug, but I've decided based on past experiences I'm not going to try manual screwing with things unless a package is broken :)
[09:34] <malnilion> shirish, I have a feeling in my case the reason I'm not set to upgrade to them right now is related to nvidia graphics drivers.
[09:36] <shirish> malnilion: I don't think so, i think its most probably the dependancy hell we are accustomed to, esp. when we are on the bleeding edge. I have i845 & my guess is some of the packages are still being packaged or something.
[09:36] <malnilion> Right
[09:36] <malnilion> Dependencies will eventually be satisfied for it most likely :)
[09:43] <dariuskane> cross your fingers... Im updating my HDD install from feisty to gutsy using the livecd... to support my encrypted HDDs with lvm on boot :)
[10:06] <dash> anybody know how to turn DMA back on for my sata drives under gutsy?
[10:07] <Arwen> eh?
[10:08] <Arwen> As far as I know, SATA drives don't have DMA turned on/off, it's just always on.
[10:09] <Assid> anyone here getting issues in adept for updating kernel image?
[10:10] <dash> Arwen: oh, hrm, right.
[10:10] <Arwen> if you really think it's off, do hdparm -Tt /dev/sdX
[10:10] <dash> maybe what I meant to say was "hdparm doesn't get anywhere with my pata drives on my feisty box, and it doesn't do any good on my gutsy machine either" :)
[10:12] <shirish> dash: there is a bug somewhere about PATA drives not being able to achieve full efficiency due to some kernel issue, it was there in feisty & its there in gutsy atleast to ddate
[10:13] <shirish> ddate/date
[10:13] <dash> yeah, i noticed
[10:13] <shirish> dash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/96693
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96693 in linux-source-2.6.20 "poor performance hard disk IDE" [Medium,Fix committed]
[10:14] <shirish> dash: its just been so long, don't know when that fix committed would finally get released?
[10:15] <Assid> err anyone here ran an adept update right now?
[10:16] <Assid> its asking to update kernel image.. but it keeps failing
[10:18] <shirish> Assid: its known issue I guess, most probably some dependency issue as far as I can tell, should take some time for things to sort out by themselves.
[10:19] <Assid> yep.. it says it needs the image-2.6.22 or something but not available
[10:21] <shirish> Assid: most probably its in state of building, should resolve itself in another few hrs.
[10:21] <Assid> yeah
[10:21] <shirish> meaning you should try updating the sources few hrs. later
[10:21] <Assid> hope so
[10:22] <Assid> i;ll try it before ghoing to bed
[10:32] <smacintyre>  I just installed Ubuntu- Desktop 64 7.04. It installed with no errors but after reboot all that is displayed is<PHONE_NUMBER> over and over until I use the break key. any ideas?
[10:34] <Do``> this channel is for ubuntu 7.10 and related
[10:34] <anon32> f***ing power failure
[10:34] <Do``> maybe the guys in #ubuntu would have more for you
[10:36] <xtknight> Does anyone else get a "Bus error" on Gutsy amd64 (latest updates) when running Firefox?  i reported a bug for this ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/133786 ).  Would you please comment on the bug with regards to whether or not you can reproduce it?  Thanks.
[10:36] <smacintyre> thanks
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133786 in Ubuntu "Bus error when running Firefox or Epiphany" [Undecided,New]
[10:42] <CydeSwype> hey all.  i've noticed that screelets in synaptic is what looks like a placeholder
[10:42] <CydeSwype> is that something that's still being worked on?
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. probably
[10:42] <CydeSwype> cool
[11:57] <sepelester> After dist-upgrading from feisty to gutsy (amd64), the icons disappeared. I've seen this before, so I reinstalled libgdkpixbuf2 and that fixed it. Now however, and I've seen this before too, the gtk2-engines don't load, and it defaults to gtk1.2..  wrong elf-class gets loaded and I have no idea where to look anymore..  anyone?
[12:09] <soc> hi
[12:10] <soc> it was anounced, that xorg 7.3 and xserver 1.4 will noit be in gutsy ...
[12:10] <soc> is there any chance that they will be available via the backport repo?
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> soc: I'm sure someone will make packages.
[12:12] <soc> ah cool
[12:12] <soc> that would be nice
[12:13] <soc> i fear that the avivo drivers included in gutsy won't be new enough to run my x1400
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> at worst, you can compile :)
[12:14] <soc> :-)
[12:14] <soc> ok, probably wouldn't be too ugly since xorg is modular
[12:15] <soc> before that it was a pita
[12:22] <RAOF> soc: You do know that the avivo drivers are *heavily* experimental at the moment, right?  As in "slower than vesa" experimental?
[12:26] <soc> yes
[12:26] <soc> but vesa doesn't work here ...
[12:26] <soc> beside 800x600
[12:29] <RAOF> The "ati" drivers should run your x1400, just without 3d
[12:30] <anon32> that's pretty close to "not running them" isn't it?
[12:30] <RAOF> anon32: It's the best he'll get.
[12:31] <anon32> :-\
[12:31] <RAOF> At least with an open-source driver.
[12:34] <anon32> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/8.40.4 <-- wtf, fglrx 8.40.4 doesn't compile on 2.6.21+?
[12:35] <RAOF> Seems about right.
[12:36] <anon32> it says the reason for that is because the kernel is being communist and preventing non-GPL modules from working
[12:36] <bur[n] er> lol
[12:36] <bur[n] er> f them, intel works :)
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> oh no..
[12:39] <Sayers> Why doesn't pidgin make sounds anymore :(?
[12:40] <jussi01> !info kdenlive
[12:40] <ubotu> Package kdenlive does not exist in gutsy
[12:40] <jussi01> grrr
[12:40] <jussi01> not out of new yet
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> ah... at least the its hackable..(the ATI driver)
[12:42] <Sayers> any clues on my pidgin? Alsa works...


[21:35] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if there is anyway to specify in the snapcraft yaml that I want to use "pip3 install youtube-dl" instead of "youtube-dl" being downloaded with and installed with apt?
[21:35] <Paddy_NI> mps-youtube works perfectly providing youtube-dl has been installed from pip instead of apt
[21:36] <Paddy_NI> I wish I could figure out why, I think mps-youtube expects youtube-dl to be somewhere it isn't
[21:42] <Paddy_NI> hmm.. Unless I can "inject" youtube-dl into the snap the same way that pip would on a running system
[21:42] <Paddy_NI> Perhaps I need to symlink it somewhere else
[22:15] <Paddy_NI> hmm "adjust program to not access '@{PROC}/@{pid}/mounts'"
[22:30] <Paddy_NI> Seems to be a common error with snaps, I'm guessing my issue is either with the version of mps-youtube I am trying to snap or that youtube-dl is either not matching the pafy version or that it is being installed in an odd location.
[22:30] <Paddy_NI> taking a break