[14:28] <zbenton> Good morning.  I want to file a bug in Ubuntu mate 20.04 regarding the screen reader and the installer. Where would I go to do this?


[01:43] <Snowhog> For anyone who upgraded from 14.04 to 14.10 and found that their network wasn't auto-starting, I solved the issue. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1354924/comments/24
[01:44] <Snowhog> In my case, both wireless and wired connections were affected. Now both work just as they are supposed to.
[01:50] <valorie> wow
[01:50] <valorie> I would love to see that fixed in upgrades and the ISO
[01:51] <valorie> because my workaround was to click the "any person can use this network" which I guess exposes the passw
[01:51] <valorie> since kwallet isn't working right now
[01:52]  * valorie filed the bug in bko
[07:00] <lovesh> i just updated to kde plasma 5 on kubuntu 14.10 64 bit as described in the official docs.  I chose the SDDM login manager But after the upgrade a lot of times my programs freeze for 20-30 seconds and then they are back to normal
[07:00] <valorie> lovesh: please check and see if lightdm is still installed, and if it is, remove it
[07:01] <lovesh> this freezing happens every 5-10 mins
[07:01] <valorie> I still have freezes though, but very randomly
[07:01] <valorie> none today
[07:01] <valorie> ::knock on wood::
[07:01] <valorie> but some days 5!
[07:01] <valorie> really annoying
[07:01] <lovesh> how do i check that?
[07:02] <valorie> easiest, in the cli: `apt-cache policy lightdm`
[07:02] <valorie> but of course you can use muon or whatever package manager you prefr
[07:02] <valorie> prefer
[07:02] <lovesh> also sometimes udisksd consumes 70% CPU. btw its using 10-15 % cpu all the time
[07:03] <lovesh> it says installed
[07:04] <lovesh> let me remove it
[07:04] <valorie> I would uninstall it, since you are using SDDM
[07:05] <valorie> I ended up having to uninstall KDM as well!
[07:05] <lovesh> should i uninstall kdm too?
[07:05] <valorie> which surprised me, since I've never used that that I recall
[07:05] <valorie> certainly not on this laptop
[07:06] <valorie> lovesh: if it is there, sure
[07:06] <valorie> it can only cause trouble
[07:07] <lovesh> i have lightdm gobject and lightdm-qt too. i guess i thould remove them too
[07:07] <valorie> lovesh: I don't see udisks at all in top
[07:07] <valorie> yes, you don't need them
[07:08] <lovesh> similarly i have kdm-theme-bespin, kdm-gdmcompat, etc. should i remove them too
[07:09] <valorie> huh
[07:09] <valorie> themes you would think would come with the application they are theming
[07:09] <valorie> odd
[07:09] <valorie> sure, you certainly don't need them
[07:10] <valorie> sounds like perhaps you had a different desktop in the past?
[07:10] <valorie> Unity or Gnome?
[07:10] <lovesh> gnome
[07:10] <valorie> ok
[07:10] <valorie> usually uses gdm
[07:10] <valorie> or at least used to
[07:11] <lovesh> when i installed kubuntu 14.10 my screen resolution was screwed up. i could not fix it but after plasma its ok
[07:11] <lovesh> i mean plasma 5
[07:12] <valorie> nice
[07:12] <valorie> I'm still finding things missing, etc.
[07:12] <valorie> and filing some bugs along the way
[07:12] <valorie> but it is my working desktop
[07:12] <valorie> so far, so good
[07:13] <lovesh> its still freezing although i have 3 gb ram free of 8 gb
[07:13] <lovesh> aslo kwin_x11 and Xorg seem to be using 10% cpu
[07:13] <lovesh> its between 8-10%
[07:14] <valorie> my freezing seems to be associated with first chromium and then firefox
[07:14] <lovesh> for each
[07:14] <valorie> I was seriously considering going back to konqueror or rekonq
[07:14] <valorie> but then the freezing stopped
[07:14] <lovesh> ok. i am using google-chrome not chromium but how did u fix that?
[07:14] <valorie> not sure
[07:15] <lovesh> after how many reboots did the freezing stop?
[07:15] <valorie> it could have been coincidental to a period of horrible connectivity from comcast
[07:15] <valorie> that seems to have evened out at the same time the freezing stopped
[07:16] <valorie> hard to think of how one would cause the other, though
[07:16] <lovesh> how can i make sure that i have removed all components that gnome was using. that might have been causing some issues
[07:17] <lovesh> i have noticed for a long time that in ubuntu if i refresh my network the system freezes for about few seconds
[07:18] <lovesh> so i think there is some connection in the graphical shell and network connections
[07:20] <valorie> interesting
[07:20] <valorie> you could be right
[07:20] <valorie> !purekde
[07:20] <valorie> lovesh: keep in mind that is rather old
[07:20] <valorie> so use with care
[07:21] <valorie> also, this was really interesting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1354924/comments/24
[07:21] <valorie> I've not tried that fix, however
[07:23] <lovesh> valorie: btw my system still freezes, any other fix that you think might work
[07:25] <valorie> lovesh: beyond removing those old lightdm, kdm & gdm bits, what have you done?
[07:25] <lovesh> nothing really excpet googling about it
[07:26] <soee> good morning
[07:28] <valorie> you saw my two links above, right?
[07:28] <valorie> lovesh: ^^^
[07:28] <lovesh> yes
[07:29] <lovesh> i tried removing those gnome packages but it says they are not installed
[07:29] <lovesh> btw lot of people are facing this freezing issue
[07:30] <valorie> really? I thought I was alone
[07:30] <valorie> where are you hearing that?
[07:30] <lovesh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1384512
[07:31] <lovesh> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66765-Is-your-shiny-new-Plasma-Next-desktop-freezing-after-a-while
[07:31] <lovesh> http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-bugs/2014-11/msg00841.html
[07:32] <lovesh> interesting after it freezes if i press Alt+Tab immediately it becomes ok
[07:33] <valorie> I will read those in a sec
[07:40] <lovesh_> valorie: sorry i was disconnected
[07:40] <valorie> not a problem, I was afk for a few mins
[07:43] <lovesh_> i tried Ctrl+Alt+Esc now it has not freezed for a while
[07:43] <lovesh_> also i changed from openGL 2 to openGL 3
[07:43] <lovesh_> lets see how it works
[07:44] <silver> hi there
[07:44] <valorie> interesting, I have intel as well
[07:44] <valorie> just reading that first bug report
[07:45] <lovesh_> even i have intel
[07:45] <Guest75712> i was upgrading kubuntu using do-release-upgrade, and went back after an hour, the screen session shows "this session is locked. you will be redirected to ..... in few seconds" and its stuck there, how do i get back to desktop. the screen is freezed
[07:45] <Guest75712> i can switch to alternate terminals using ctrl+alt+f234
[07:45] <Guest75712> the hard disk seems to be working a lot
[07:46] <valorie> Guest75712: you might try doing do-release-upgrade in a console and see what it says
[07:46] <Guest75712> the do-release-upgrade is already running in a Konsole in the desktop
[07:46] <valorie> are you sure it is still running?
[07:46] <Guest75712> but the desktop got locked and now i cant get back to it
[07:47] <valorie> !lock
[07:47] <Guest75712> i think its running, because the hard disk is doing a lot of work, like it does while installing packages
[07:47] <valorie> pfff
[07:47] <Guest75712> this session is locked. you will be redirected to ..... in few seconds
[07:47] <valorie> what is the keyword I need
[07:47] <valorie> !session
[07:47] <valorie> pfff
[07:47] <Guest75712> is there a way to connect to the Konsole from terminal ?
[07:48] <Guest75712> so that i can see what it is outputting
[07:48] <Guest75712> atleast if the upgrade has finished i would restart without worry
[07:48] <valorie> if there is, I don't know it
[07:48] <hateball> do-release-upgrade seems to run in a screen, so you should be able to attach to it
[07:48] <Guest75712> how ?
[07:49] <hateball> Guest75712: first "ps aux |grep screen" to see if it is actually running at all, or if I remember wrong
[07:50] <hateball> or "screen -ls"
[07:51] <hateball> then you can screen -x name-of-session
[07:53] <Guest75712> screen is not installed
[07:53] <Guest75712> anyways, the session came back and desktop is accessible again
[07:53] <Guest75712> thanks anyways
[07:53] <valorie> excellent!
[07:53] <Guest75712> upgrade finished, now restarting
[07:53] <Guest75712> byes
[07:54] <valorie> hateball: that sounds like a useful thing to know
[08:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:50] <Saphyel> TddDoctor_: ??? *_*
[09:27] <poolnn> Bob88865
[11:09] <bonk3rzz> I need some small help??? i want a desktop nonfiction for if someone ssh's into my machine (currently running Kubuntu 14.04) any help / ideas would help
[11:21] <hateball> oh they left
[11:21] <hateball> oh, back
[11:22] <hateball> bonk3rzz: you could have a script that monitors /var/log/auth.log and then uses notify-send to make a notification
[11:23] <bonk3rzz> thats what im trying but im not a script writer
[11:23] <hateball> bonk3rzz: heh, googling gives https://github.com/ryran/tail2notify/blob/master/tail2notify
[11:23] <hateball> so apparently others have thought about this before ;d
[11:24] <bonk3rzz> to me it seems like a hole in security
[11:24] <hateball> bonk3rzz: What seems like a hole in security?
[11:25] <bonk3rzz> (access to my terminal with out me knowing) mostly cus someone has been trying with no success to break into my vnc
[11:26] <hateball> Well, neither of those are enabled by default, so...
[11:27] <bonk3rzz> ya ya
[11:33] <lordievader> bonk3rzz: Install fail2ban.
[11:37] <hateball> One should always have fail2ban, but that won't give desktop notifications
[11:41] <bonk3rzz> lordievader ill def look into that thx
[11:42] <lordievader> It can give email notifications.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:33] <rom1504> hiya BluesKaj
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi rom1504
[12:42] <bonk3rzz> sup
[12:50] <BluesKaj> not much bonk3rzz, you?
[12:53] <Pickers> hello.
[13:50] <Nexia> Hi there. I had a question: a few minutes ago, kwin stopped working out of nowhere in my kubuntu installation, leaving me stranded. I tried to re-log in, reboot to no avail. And terminal said that it wasn't installed!
[13:53] <Nexia> I tried updating from terminal, which made no difference either, but eventually (after flipping through some firefox windows via ctrl+q, and the kickoff, which thankfully stayed), I got to actually installing it "back" by doing sudo apt-get install kde-workspace
[13:54] <Nexia> my question is basically, isn't there a simple "repair" utility or something via the cli for this sort of thing that can "repair" any corrupted or missing kubuntu system files?
[13:54] <Nexia> and, did I do the right thing?
[13:54] <zlakerboy357> :)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Nexia, is kwin back and working ? and yes installing kde-workspace was the correct solution, but the question remains why did kwin disappear ?
[13:59] <Nexia> I don't know why either, and yes, atm I ran it by doing "kwin" in the terminal, so it's running from terminal
[14:00] <Nexia> but I bet it'll work when I reboot now
[14:00] <BluesKaj> I guess we'll see soon enough then
[14:00] <Nexia> because one of the messages I read while it finished installing was
[14:00] <Nexia> Setting up kde-window-manager (4:4.11.11-0ubuntu0.1) ...
[14:00] <Nexia> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/kwin to provide /usr/bin/x-window-manager (x-window-manager) in auto mode
[14:00] <Nexia> Okay, I'll reboot heh.
[14:03] <Nexia> Yep, kwin started as usual
[14:04] <Nexia> so, it's working, but what puzzles me is what I did to uninstall it >_>
[14:04] <Nexia> and..if there is anything else "broken" along with it that I don't know of
[14:04] <hateball> perhaps check your bash history for commands you've run, such as apt-get removing things depending on kwin or such
[14:05] <Nexia> ok
[14:05] <BluesKaj> did you update/ upgrade ?
[14:05] <Nexia> I hadn't in a while
[14:06] <Nexia> like I said, after this happened, I tried to update/upgrade only then from the terminal
[14:06] <BluesKaj> maybe an update/upgrade is in order then
[14:07] <Nexia> and it did update "successfully" (upgrade was 202 mb or something, so I skipped it)
[14:07] <Nexia> but it did not fix kwin at all
[14:07] <BluesKaj> makes no differenc ewhere you upgrade from the packaghe managers including apt-get all use the dpkg system to update and upgrade
[14:13] <Nexia> so nothing in bash history really
[14:13] <Nexia> didn't do it myself, that's for sure
[14:15] <BluesKaj> weird
[14:16] <Nexia> >_< oh well.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Nexia, do you have your package manager set to auto-upgrade? seems I recall a setting similar to that on muon and synaptic
[14:20] <Nexia> I don't think so
[14:21] <Nexia> how can I check?
[14:21] <Nexia> and like, there were 202 MB of upgrade downloads
[14:21] <Nexia> and i hadn't done it a while, so I don't think it's set on "auto-upgrade"
[14:22] <BluesKaj> look in the package manager/software center settings
[14:23] <Nexia> ok
[14:25] <Nexia> http://i.imgur.com/qdPKRiR.png
[14:25] <Nexia> nope, don't have it set on install without confirmation
[17:10] <EvilRoey> hey when is Wayland hitting Kubuntu?
[17:10] <EvilRoey> realistically speaking
[17:10] <EvilRoey> is it within a year?
[17:10] <EvilRoey> before 15.10?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, your guess is as good as anyone's , there doesn't seem to be any definite Wayland adoption schedule
[17:19] <EvilRoey> okay
[17:19] <EvilRoey> that's kind of what I thought
[17:19] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  thanks
[17:19] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  also, I thought of how once NVidia comes out with drivers for Wayland or Wayland and Mir, how quickly work would get done to get KDE on Wayland and into Kubuntu
[17:20] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, you could ask in #kubuntu-devel
[17:20] <EvilRoey> aye
[17:20] <EvilRoey> Riddell could just tell me the same thing
[17:21] <EvilRoey> (regarding Wayland in Kubuntu)
[17:21] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:22] <BluesKaj> or google
[17:22] <EvilRoey> google.  Pshah :)
[17:23] <EvilRoey> How about asking this of Wolfram Alpha
[17:23] <EvilRoey> WHEN WILL KUBUNTU RELEASE WITH WAYLAND NATIVELY
[17:23] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  is that the idea?  Kubuntu will go with Wayland and KDE applications 5, and Ubuntu with Mir?
[17:23] <EvilRoey> and Gnome?
[17:24] <EvilRoey> brb
[17:24] <Riddell> EvilRoey: we've no idea, wayland support is still to be added to kwin and plasma
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yes, that seems to be the directions they are taking, Ubuntu with Mir and Kubuntu with Wayland
[17:32] <EvilRoey> Riddell:  understood
[17:32] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  it's jsut that I haven't yet heard Canonical acknowledging this disparity
[17:33] <rww> why would they?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> canonical is no longer supporting Kubuntu, afaik Blue Systems is now the official support source
[17:35] <EvilRoey> right, I understand.
[17:35] <EvilRoey> Because people might want to install Ubuntu and then KDE apps on top of that
[17:35] <EvilRoey> and a Plasma desktop environment
[17:38] <albedo039> a
[17:39] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, still can install kde on ubuntu etc
[17:39] <albedo039> yes
[17:40] <EvilRoey> Is updating from stock Ubuntu still an aim of Kubuntu?
[17:40] <EvilRoey> is this somthing that we can look forward to in future releases?
[17:41] <albedo039> kubunto is 14.10 and ever uograde
[17:42] <EvilRoey> what do you mean?
[17:42] <EvilRoey> Kubuntu now is 14.10
[17:42] <EvilRoey> that I understand.
[17:42] <EvilRoey> Till 15.04.
[17:43] <albedo039> yes
[17:43] <EvilRoey> oh, okay then.
[17:43] <EvilRoey> thank you.
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Will 15.04 use Plasma 5?
[17:45] <EvilRoey> SonikkuAmerica:  yeah
[17:46] <EvilRoey> albedo039, BluesKaj, Riddell: I'm interested in what this one article about KDE 5 Frameworks' potential for enhancing applications like Firefox.  What would a more KDE-ified Firefox look like?
[17:47] <albedo039> now I use stable plasma 4, just testing kubuntu now, I coming from pure debian
[17:47] <BluesKaj> no idea , with plsama5 on the horizon, who knows
[17:49] <EvilRoey> I see.
[17:50] <EvilRoey> I'm on KDE 4.
[17:50] <EvilRoey> I haven't yet migrated to Plasma for fear of lack of features
[17:50] <EvilRoey> Also, I love KWin.
[17:50] <EvilRoey> I hope that KWin5 is as featureful as KWin4
[17:52] <albedo039> yes I know kwin very collaborative desktop
[17:54] <albedo039> ok quit for preparing dinner have a good day
[19:39] <anqxyr> anyone knows of a way to make ktorrent download new torrents first?
[19:46] <bprompt> anqxyr:     ... I don't use ktorrent .... or haven't.... what's the default behaviour?    I usually download torrents manually
[19:46] <anqxyr> by default any newly added torrents are put at the end of the queue
[19:48] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:49] <bprompt> anqxyr:     you could just sort them using the 'name' tab   and manually click on 'play' button to start off the ones you want
[19:50] <bprompt> I don't see anything in settings for what you're after though
[19:50] <anqxyr> yeah, I could do that, or just manually move it to the top of the queue
[19:50] <anqxyr> but I want it automated
[19:50] <anqxyr> :(
[19:53] <bprompt> anqxyr:     if I think abou it.... what constitutes a "new torretnt" or new queue entry....   what would that be?  the latest you added?    and isn't that the default behaviour?
[19:54] <anqxyr> yes, new torrent is the latest added, and they're put at the end of the queue by default
[19:54] <anqxyr> I can then move them in the queue by hand, but that's not what I want
[19:54] <bprompt> well
[19:55] <bprompt> if you want the "latest added" to start downloading....isn't that what the older queue entries are doing?
[19:55] <anqxyr> no
[19:56] <anqxyr> it downloads the earliest added torrents first
[19:56] <bprompt> seems to me ....you want to "trump out" the previous "latest" entries for the last one you've just added
[19:56] <anqxyr> yes
[19:56] <bprompt> yes.... but the earliest added.....used to be the lastest added.... is not the app knows how many you're going to add to the queue
[20:36] <keithzg> I haven't had a chance to play around with it, does SDDM respect ~/.dmrc files?
[20:36] <dougl> is my azurewave AW-CE123H bluetooth supposed to work under 14.04 LTS....
[20:37] <keithzg> Really curious about that since I use a .dmrc file to quickly remotely change the default session between Openbox and an XBMC standalone session on my projector computer.
[20:37] <dougl> that is the chipset used with my broadcom 4352 wifi combo card
[21:17] <alex_rock> cant create this symbol:   ^
[21:17] <soee> ?
[21:17] <alex_rock> why? have a dell inspiron 7537
[21:17] <tertu> ^
[21:17] <tertu> that symbol
[21:17] <tertu> shift-6?
[21:17] <alex_rock> above tab.
[21:17] <tertu> `
[21:17] <soee> its above 6
[21:18] <alex_rock> got german qwertz keyboard
[21:18] <soee> maybe you have wrong layout set
[21:18] <alex_rock> i think not
[21:18] <alex_rock> öüäß works correctly
[21:19] <alex_rock> its only the ^ key
[21:19] <alex_rock> latex sucks without ^
[21:21] <alex_rock> ° degree works!
[21:21] <alex_rock> same button with shift
[21:25] <ap0c> probably your OS'es key layout
[21:25] <ap0c> are symbols normally different in the number row for that keyset?
[21:26] <alex_rock> keyboard model generic 101 keys
[21:26] <alex_rock> yes
[21:26] <alex_rock> all keys are correct
[21:26] <alex_rock> only the ^ key is  dead
[21:27] <alex_rock> maybe one dead key?
[21:27] <alex_rock> but shift and the key works. I get ° thats also correct
[21:27] <alex_rock> ap0c:  what could be the problem?
[21:28] <alex_rock> maybe have to choose 102 keys?
[21:28] <alex_rock> or more?
[21:31] <alex_rock> when i press a number after ^ I get ² ³ ⁴ ⁵ super script
[21:35] <alex_rock> solved it.
[21:35] <alex_rock> thx to |Frodo|
[21:35] <alex_rock> you have to press ^ and space
[21:38] <ap0c> glad you fixed it, I know nothing about keysets and their layouts
[21:38] <ap0c> I was just taking a wild guess
[21:39] <ap0c> I've just always used the standard QWERTY layout
[21:39] <alex_rock> ap0c: no prob. dead keys was the answer
[21:39] <alex_rock> :D
[22:16] <YourPlaceOrMine> hi all :)
[22:18] <YourPlaceOrMine> fresh install 14.04.1 with added app's, now my ? is, is ssd tweak's needed? or will i be fine without doing?
[22:25] <ap0c> YourPlaceOrMine: I just did quick Google search for 'Kubuntu 14.04.1 SSD', and this was the first result: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[22:25] <YourPlaceOrMine> tap tap, is this thing on
[22:25] <YourPlaceOrMine>  ty ty
[22:25] <YourPlaceOrMine> :)
[22:25] <YourPlaceOrMine> gonna take a look
[22:25] <ap0c> I don't use an SSD so that's about as much as I know, just trying to help
[22:25] <YourPlaceOrMine> yes of course that is a start
[22:26] <ap0c> probably going to try one out in the future when I build my next tower
[22:26] <YourPlaceOrMine> ha shoulda known google is everyone's best-friend
[22:26] <ap0c> but this laptop is still tanking it out
[22:26] <YourPlaceOrMine> yea mine 2013 but wal-mart edition
[22:26] <YourPlaceOrMine> lol
[22:26] <YourPlaceOrMine> 300 bucks works great
[22:27] <ap0c> I paid like 1250 for this laptop back in 2010, lol
[22:28] <ap0c> might be lucky to get 850 if I sell it
[22:28] <YourPlaceOrMine> nice one
[22:29] <YourPlaceOrMine> hagd :) and ty
[22:29] <ap0c> yeah but I might be able to get a more powerful desktop with even 800 nowadays
[22:29] <ap0c> this is my laptop -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220821
[22:30] <ap0c> I upgraded to 8GB of ram and added a 500GB HDD
[22:30] <ap0c> but it's pretty much a desktop replacement, I use a separate Keyboard / Mouse and just use the hardware/screen


[10:50] <cmaloney> morning
[10:50] <cmaloney> wb rick_h_
[10:50] <rick_h_> morning and ty
[10:51] <cmaloney> how was the excursion / tour?
[10:52] <rick_h_> it was good, naigara falls is pretty cool and there's a lot of fun stuff to do there
[10:53] <cmaloney> nice
[10:53] <rick_h_> and the annual family visit down to VA is nice. That's a good area with lots to get out and check out
[10:53] <rick_h_> now I'm just in major pain heh. deck was finishes while I was away so back from the trip lots of deck staining and prep and now have a deck again
[10:59] <cmaloney> woo woo!
[11:02] <rick_h_> did I miss anything exciting while I was away?
[11:16] <cmaloney> not much
[11:16] <cmaloney> Arts Beats and Eats meant that the Bean and Leaf closed early (8:30pm)
[11:16] <cmaloney> so we moved over to Atomic, which was decent
[11:16] <cmaloney> But that was the highlight
[12:05] <jrwren>  First bad thing about ting. No visual voicemail on GSM. Still worth it to
[12:05] <jrwren> save 40-50/mo
[13:06] <cmaloney> Visual Voicemail = ?
[13:06] <cmaloney> Oh, I use Google Voice for my voicemail so I never noticed.
[13:10] <jrwren> iphones have this voicemail tab and rather than dial a number to hear your voicemail, each voicemails shows in a UI in a list. It is a great feature. Has been there since day 1 w/ATT
[13:10] <cmaloney> right
[15:31] <greg-g> g'morn
[15:31] <cmaloney> g'morn and all that
[15:32] <greg-g> jrwren: I *think* that's an option if you use cdma/sprint towers
[15:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, they had something like that (which I never used)
[15:41] <cmaloney> iirc it was a pay service though
[15:42] <cmaloney> https://help.ting.com/hc/en-us/articles/205422008-Voicemail
[15:51] <jrwren> greg-g: yeah, that is what the help docs said, but I went GSM for other reasons.
[15:51] <cmaloney> Mostly because GSM works
[15:51] <cmaloney> CDMA isn't great in this area
[15:52] <cmaloney> Not sure if new phone or what but I'm more happy with this phone than my previous one
[15:58] <greg-g> cdma is surprisingly good out here, all things told
[15:58] <greg-g> that's the only thing I'm still not sure on, though, is cdma vs gsm for my replacement phone
[15:58] <greg-g> haven't had time to really think/look at the maps in more detail
[15:58] <cmaloney> greg-g: International Travel
[15:59] <greg-g> yeah, meh
[15:59] <cmaloney> GSM is the only option there
[15:59] <greg-g> I've been fine without a real phone when traveling int, mostly because I don't stray far from a group :)
[15:59] <jrwren> phones do both now, so for international, you just buy a sim when you get there, right?
[16:00] <greg-g> that part was unclear to me when reading the docs on ting
[17:51] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgxYUHHtOHo
[17:52] <jrwren> lol