[09:02] <frank23> _normal1: the regular way to install programs is with adept. compiling is only for things that are not in the repositories
[09:02] <_normal1> exaclly this isn't in a repository
[09:03] <Zechs> When i try to run automatix, it says : AUtomatix will not run alongside an independant instance of dpkg please run just one of them at the time.
[09:03] <philipp> the best is to use a graphical interface for apt (adept) like synaptic
[09:03] <Zechs> Wwhat's wrong ?
[09:03] <philipp> zechs, close synaptic or any other packet managment software
[09:03] <Zechs> there isnt any open lol...
[09:03] <frank23> Zechs: automatix is know to screw up things sometimes. easyubuntu is safer
[09:03] <Rayman> what is this mothra3 anyway
[09:04] <philipp> nothing?
[09:04] <frank23> !automatix
[09:04] <ubotu> I heard automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[09:04] <_normal1> some banner grabber
[09:04] <Zechs> easyubuntu doesnt want to install so..
[09:04] <_normal1> hmm
[09:05] <philipp> @zechs can you run "sudo apt-get update" ?
[09:06] <Zechs> ok
[09:06] <Zechs> true taht i didnt do it since i install
[09:07] <Zechs> maybe this is the problem
[09:12] <flavio> Sorry for the question, Kubuntu 5.10 had some problem with DCOP demon, someonoe know why ?
[09:19] <nico8481> re
[09:20] <Zechs> Any idea why Adept doesnt start anymore ?
[09:20] <frank23> Zechs: make sure no adept/apt/dpkg processes are running
[09:21] <Zechs> how do i check this ?
[09:21] <Zechs> because i see nothing running
[09:21] <Zechs> If there is another way to see whats running...?
[09:21] <philipp> ps -e
[09:21] <philipp> can you do a apt-get update?
[09:21] <frank23> Zechs: ps aux | grep apt
[09:23] <Zechs> it's ok, it worked for update thx
[09:23] <Zechs> but it's weird, its not the first time adept work one time / 2
[09:23] <frank23> Zechs: you mean you click adept and nothing happens?
[09:24] <Zechs> no it worked now but yes...i clicked, it load, and nothing
[09:24] <frank23> Zechs: I think it might be a problem with kdesu. you just click a second time and it usually works
[09:25] <philipp> zechs, maybe synaptic works better for you
[09:25] <Zechs> k i'll try to DL synaptic
[09:26] <frank23> Zechs: not sure if it will work better but I like synaptic much more than adpet
[09:28] <philipp> me2
[09:36] <djk_> does adept log its actions
[09:37] <mornfall> nah
[09:37] <Naail> hmm my firefox seems to lag quite a bit.... :(
[09:38] <djk_> mornfall: was that directed at me?
[09:39] <mornfall> probably
[09:39] <djk_> then that's probably a reason why adept sucks.
[09:51] <jordan> hey all
[09:51] <jordan> I need help installing this script called "lomoco." anyone ever use it or think they can give me a hand?
[10:00] <l091548> good afternoon all
[10:01] <raul> hola a todos
[10:01] <raul> acabo de instalar kubuntu y la verdad no soy capaz de echar a andar el amsn, alguien me ayuda a migrar de windows?
[10:02] <raul> acabo de instalar kubuntu y la verdad no soy capaz de echar a andar el amsn, alguien me ayuda a migrar de windows?
[10:03] <Zechs> can someone help me with this "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. " ? this is what i get when i try to apply on adept
[10:04] <Zechs> (and i cant install anything, that's why i dont have synaptic instead)
[10:08] <beemer> Zechs - I've run into that error before getting wine from the wine repositories - it usually means it couldn't get the whole package download.
[10:08] <beemer> is it downloading the package 100%?
[10:08] <Sechs> yeah but it does this with all the packages...
[10:08] <Sechs> nope, i have none of it
[10:08] <Parkotron> Where can I find KRandR?
[10:08] <Sechs> Maybe my repositories are bad ?
[10:08] <Sechs> Is there a good website for repositories ?
[10:09] <beemer> Not sure sechs
[10:10] <Sechs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? >> it says this too whn i try to update, but i dont know how to kill those process since i see nothing open..
[10:10] <beemer> are you running another copy of adept?
[10:10] <Sechs> nope, thats whats weird
[10:10] <Sechs> If i reboot, all processes will be shut right ?
[10:10] <beemer> that error i've found is when adept is running or maybe dpkg from the command line
[10:11] <beemer> yeah - a reboot should clear errant processes
[10:11] <Sechs> I mean if i reboot this problem should disappear ?
[10:11] <Sechs> ok
[10:11] <Sechs> thx, let's try
[10:15] <Sechs> Cool, it works now...btw, isnt there any other to kill processes without rebooting ?
[10:15] <djk_> does anyone here use azureus?
[10:15] <tristanmike> I do
[10:18] <jesusfish> hmmm...apparently dapper has a version of mythv that is not compatible with mysql-server-5.0
[10:18] <beemer> sechs - from a command line: ps -ef
[10:18] <beemer> that will give you a list of all running processes
[10:18] <beemer> you can then: kill {process_id}
[10:18] <Sechs> yes for the list...but u cant kill them from here ?
[10:18] <Sechs> ah k
[10:20] <beemer> anyone know anything about ext dvd drives in kubuntu?  Mine runs but only at cd rom speed
[10:39] <Unity> how should i reintsall kde from scratch? kde no longer works
[10:39] <zblach> Unity, what is your problem exactly?
[10:40] <Unity> zblach: i get two segfaults when i do startkde
[10:40] <Unity> /usr/bin/startkde: line 205:  6444 Segmentation fault      ksplash --nodcop
[10:40] <Unity> /usr/bin/startkde: line 213:  6445 Segmentation fault      LD_BIND_NOW=true kdei
[10:41] <zblach> think the problem could be resolved entirely just bu correcting that file?
[10:41] <Unity> zblach: this peristed after a sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:41] <Unity> zblach: what would i do to the file?
[10:41] <zblach> Unity, just an upgrade never fixed anytihing
[10:42] <zblach> erm, go to a terminal (konsole) and take a look at the file. (vim /usr/bin/startkde)
[10:42] <Unity> zblach: looking at now
[10:42] <zblach> anything wonky with those lines?
[10:42] <Unity> like 205 is just
[10:43] <Unity> "fi" there shouldn't be any segfaults in "fi"
[10:43] <Unity> here is line 213: LD_BIND_NOW=true kdeinit +kcminit
[10:44] <zblach> guess we have different files
[10:44] <Unity> ideally that shouldn't happen
[10:44] <Unity> KDE 3.4.3 here
[10:44] <zblach> oh
[10:44] <Unity> maybe upgrading will fix it
[10:44] <zblach> dangerous thinking
[10:44] <Unity> yep, but what do i have to lose?
[10:44] <Unity> a non-working kde?
[10:45] <zblach> if it does break, it'd be harder to debug
[10:45] <Unity> i don't mind, i'm ready to reinstall ubuntu altogether
[10:45] <zblach> *nods* okay, then you don't really have anything to lose
[10:46] <Unity> or debian since i've spent about four hours trying to fix various ubuntu things and i've had it
[10:46] <Unity> !kde
[10:46] <ubotu> kde is, like, A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[10:46] <Unity> !wiki
[10:46] <zblach> bit of advice: if you do a full reinstall, put /home/ onto a seperate partition. it really makes a reinstall a cleaner process
[10:46] <zblach> i'll give you the deb addresses
[10:46] <Unity> zblach: yup i learned that today
[10:47] <Unity> zblach: i'm gonna have to move everything out to reinstall now
[10:48] <zblach> Unity, can you get pm's?
[10:48] <zblach> i can't just copy & paste into here
[10:49] <Unity> zblach: yes
[10:49] <Unity> oh i didn't identify...
[10:52] <ryanakca> can you find a hostname based on an ip address? ie <IP_ADDRESS> to d226-20-171.home.cgocable.net    .... if so, would that be a security risk?
[10:53] <Unity> ryanakca: `host <IP_ADDRESS>`
[10:53] <Unity> ryanakca: you need a certain package to use host, although i'm not sure which
[10:53] <Unity> ryanakca: it doesn ip to hostname and vice-versa
[10:57] <ryanakca> Unity: but is that a security risk?
[10:57] <thinkloop> im trying to get my mail servers to work but having problems. Anyone know where exim4 creates its mailbox?
[10:57] <Unity> ryanakca: nope i don't see anything wrong with it
[10:57] <ryanakca> kk, good
[10:57] <Unity> ryanakca: d226-20-171 <
[10:57] <Unity> ryanakca: that much is enough to find your ip
[11:01] <f8> i just installed kubuntu desktop and the log in screen is kubuntu but it loads in gnome... can someone help?
[11:01] <f8> should i uninstall gnome?
[11:02] <nox> you have kdm set as default login manager.
[11:02] <f8> yeah nox.
[11:02] <nox> and it is loading gnome
[11:02] <nox> ?
[11:02] <f8> yeah
[11:03] <nox> IIRC you can change the default login from the kdm login screen
[11:07] <nuky>  where can you get the public keys for the repositories? when i try to update, i get an error saying that the http://koti.mbnet.fi breezy/ has NO_PUBKEY available..
[11:07] <kwtm1> I think I'm getting an error with updates: every time I try to "Fetch updates", Adept reports an error with the multiverse repositories.  Is this the correct line in the repositories file (I think it's /etc/apt/sources.list)?
[11:07] <kwtm1> deb  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  breezy  multiverse
[11:09] <Kasei^> Hi, anybody using NowPlaying Script in amaroK? I cant make it export to ftp.
[11:09] <Cilindrador> hello
[11:09] <Cilindrador> Cilindrador ive installed ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop. how can i update Breezy all the way to 3.5.1?
[11:10] <kwtm1> Cilindrator: 3.5.1?  You mean turn it into kubuntu completely?
[11:10] <Cilindrador> no no
[11:10] <Cilindrador> ivve had a kubuntu-cd
[11:10] <Cilindrador> and apparently kubuntu has its wifi broken
[11:10] <Cilindrador> from root
[11:11] <Sechs> Oh, i've got i stupid question but is it possible to get to Gnome from Kubuntu ?
[11:11] <Cilindrador> however i have no probs with this ubuntu+kubunt-desktop installation
[11:11] <Sechs> Cuz the first distrib i tried is K but i'd like to see gnome without to reinstall all
[11:11] <nalioth> !kde3.5.1
[11:11] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:11] <kwtm1> Sechs: I think so: install gnome-desktop or something. Later you can uninstall kde-desktop
[11:11] <Cilindrador> ok tks
[11:11] <Sechs> kthx
[11:11] <nalioth> Sechs: install ubuntu-desktop and then you can choose it at your login menu under 'sessions'
[11:12] <Sechs> ah, nice thx
[11:15] <Cilindrador> ok lets try it then
[11:15] <kwtm1> Question: (k)Ubuntu Badger is now failing to detect my USB printer (HPpsc1210), where it had worked fine under Badger before.  Not sure what changed.  What utilities can I use to tinker/diagnose?  The usual CUPS web page at http://localhost:631 has been disabled, and the KDE ctrl centre just plain doesn't detect my printer.
[11:17] <Cilindrador> wtf adept does not boot
[11:18] <Cilindrador> hm how do i use the public key thing?
[11:18] <Cilindrador> i tried using konsole and get this: W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn                                                 't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D50                                                 88
[11:18] <Cilindrador> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problem
[11:19] <tristanmike> Cilindrador: on the page where you got the line for your sources should have intstruction on how to add the key
[11:20] <Cilindrador> crap why wont adept boot?
[11:20] <tristanmike> dapper ?
[11:20] <Cilindrador> breezy
[11:21] <tristanmike> I've heard some people with adept errors today, I don't know if they're related
[11:21] <Cilindrador> mine just has that bouncing thing
[11:21] <Cilindrador> for a while (~30s?)
[11:21] <Cilindrador> and then nothing
[11:21] <tristanmike> mine opens...
[11:23] <Cilindrador> what other pack. manager is there (except synaptic)
[11:24] <ryanakca> Cilindrador: aptitude
[11:25] <Cilindrador> ok ill try that one
[11:25] <slow-motion> n8
[11:25] <ryanakca> Cilindrador: go into konsole, go "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade" and then "sudo apt-get install aptitude"
[11:26] <Cilindrador> whats the difference between update and upgrade?
[11:26] <ryanakca> (they might have release a fix for adept allready, who knows)
[11:26] <tristanmike> update finds updates, upgrade applies them if i'm not mistaken
[11:26] <Cilindrador> ah ok
[11:26] <ryanakca> correct
[11:27] <kleinlappies> help
[11:27] <kleinlappies> #join
[11:28] <kleinlappies> hi there can anyone help me with some repos i tried a few sourcers.list files but none that work quite so lekka.
[11:30] <Cilindrador> aleluia
[11:30] <Cilindrador> or not?
[11:30] <Cilindrador> progress
[11:30] <nalioth> !repos
[11:30] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:30] <Cilindrador> i got adept to ask for the password
[11:31] <heinkel_111> does anybody know how to set the separation between tracks when burning cds with K3b?
[11:32] <heinkel_111> i need to have 0 separation, for a 1 hr long  mix
[11:32] <heinkel_111> but i still want the track markers
[11:32] <Cilindrador> how do i kill a process using its name only (case in point: adept)
[11:32] <glick> sudo killall adept
[11:33] <Cilindrador> tks
[11:33] <Cilindrador> ALELUIA
[11:33] <Cilindrador> IT WORKS
[11:34] <osh_> heinkel_111: no idea.
[11:34] <Russel> hello, i have a problem:
[11:35] <heinkel_111> :(
[11:35] <Russel> at the moment udev makes a symlink from hda to dvd, but i want it from hdb to dvd... the hda is my dvd-rw
[11:35] <glick> damn i have a prestine kde install
[11:35] <Russel> anybody know what to change?
[11:35] <heinkel_111> got to burn off some cheap CDs then, and find out by fail and fail :P
[11:35] <glick> nothing works yet
[11:35] <glick> and im too lazy to start installing mp3 support and all the plugins :/
[11:36] <aaron> I can't fix the date on my system
[11:36] <Cilindrador> use easyubuntu
[11:36] <kleinlappies> ubotu thanks
[11:36] <ubotu> kleinlappies: no worries
[11:36] <osh_> aaron: try the command "date".
[11:36] <glick> Cilindrador: i dont mind doing it, im just too lazy to do it now
[11:36] <aaron> I think the UTC clock is right, but I can't fix it using ;the "adjust time / date" from the clock in kicker
[11:37] <aaron> osh_: ... the system clock is correct.. it's just not dealing with the timezone...
[11:37] <glick> whats absolutely rediculous is that in kde the clock applet i cant choose it to be 12 hour format
[11:37] <Cilindrador> now i just need the wpasupplicant
[11:37] <Cilindrador> i hope that thing works well
[11:37] <Tm_T> glick: ?
[11:38] <glick> Tm_T: the panel clock
[11:38] <Tm_T> you can
[11:38] <osh_> aaron: /etc/timezone?
[11:38] <glick> Tm_T: how?
[11:38] <Tm_T> rightclick it -> date/time format
[11:38] <Tm_T> etc
[11:39] <Tm_T> yeah, it follows systemwide settings
[11:39] <aaron> cat /etc/timezone
[11:39] <aaron> America/Los_Angelesaaron@chopper:~$
[11:39] <glick> hehe ok lemme log out and see
[11:41] <aaron> osh_: the timezone is correct
[11:41] <aaron> osh_: it's just... the kde clock won't update.. and it says it's in UTC
[11:42] <glick> sweetness!
[11:42] <glick> thanks, whoever it was that told me about that
[11:42] <aaron> and I hit "apply" after selecting los angeles.. and it switches to pst (correct) and it says the correct time... but then I hit apply again and it does nothing...  I reopen it, and it doesn't work
[11:42] <aaron> er.. it didn't work
[11:43] <dragonkh> hello
[11:43] <dragonkh> anyone using xgl ?
[11:45] <sledge> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[11:45] <sledge> :/
[11:45] <nalioth> dragonkh: ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:45] <Phazeman> hi all. i'm trying to do some "project" here... i have a new user (my fife's father) that doesn't know anything about computers at all. all he knows - internet explorer - open the internet (thats what he says when he come to me - open the internet please). i've found some old PII 350+256MB and installed kubuntu on it. now i want to create him a user that will not be able to do ANYTHING but using the stuff that is on the desktop or in h
[11:45] <nalioth> sledge: are your repos enabled?
[11:45] <sledge> nalioth: yes.
[11:46] <nalioth> Phazeman: any user you create will have limited permissions
[11:46] <sledge> adept and apt-get use the same sources.list, right?
[11:46] <nalioth> Phazeman: when YOU installed kubuntu, YOU are the superuser or administrator. make your paw-in-law an account and let 'im loose
[11:46] <Phazeman> nalioth: so just create a regular user and setup the desktop for him will be enough ?
[11:46] <nalioth> Phazeman: yup
[11:47] <pulsar84> Hallo!
[11:47] <Cilindrador> im about to download easyubuntu
[11:47] <Cilindrador> what do i get?
[11:47] <Cilindrador> "bleeding edge" or "nightly snapshot"?
[11:47] <Phazeman> nalioth: thanks much
[11:48] <nalioth> Phazeman: np
[11:48] <sledge> what's the difference? ;)
[11:48] <nalioth> Cilindrador: get the svn version
[11:48] <Cilindrador> svn == snapshota?
[11:49] <pulsar84> Anyone here using Superkaramba and willing to help me? :)
[11:49] <Cilindrador> nalioth, whats the svn? snapshot?
[11:49] <tristanmike> i'm using it...what's the problem?
[11:50] <nalioth> Cilindrador: the svn version is the absolute latest version
[11:50] <glick> Phazeman thats a regular user?
[11:50] <nalioth> Cilindrador: it is the version that is recommended
[11:50] <bojan> kubuntu doesnt seem to want to keep my display settings
[11:50] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Ever developed own themes? :)
[11:50] <Phazeman> glick: regular user yeah
[11:50] <tristanmike> oh, no, not that much, I wish
[11:50] <Phazeman> glick: that doesn't understand anything at all
[11:50] <bojan> every time i log off, it switches the resolution, and keeps that one when i log on again
[11:50] <tristanmike> pulsar84: but great for you man!
[11:50] <bojan> not the one i set up
[11:50] <glick> Phazeman im saying if hes just a regular user on the system he cant screw anything up
[11:50] <redguy> what does KDE use as a spellchecker?
[11:51] <redguy> aspell? ispell?
[11:51] <Phazeman> glick: i hope so :)
[11:51] <pulsar84> tristanmike: :/
[11:51] <glick> Phazeman put another ram simm in there for your father
[11:52] <glick> dont be cheap
[11:52] <Phazeman> glick: i don't have any.. its something antique that you cant even find in the local stores...
[11:52] <Phazeman> its 256MB... i think it's enough for firefox and xmms
[11:54] <glick> god im such a lazy tub of lard
[11:54] <glick> i havent done jack all day cept lie in bed
[11:54] <Armagguedes> (Cilindrador here; XP pc)
[11:54] <Armagguedes> where was that ubuntu guide in how to install the latest version of firefox and then linking things
[11:54] <Armagguedes> to make it work properly
[11:54] <Armagguedes> and all that
[11:55] <nalioth> !firefox15
[11:55] <ubotu> it has been said that firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[11:55] <tristanmike> pulsar84: are you finding it difficult to do ? aside from the current problem?
[11:55] <glick> anyone running kde 3.5 stead of 3.4?
[11:55] <glick> and is there a big diffrence?
[11:55] <pulsar84> tristanmike: Not really. Needed to learn some Python Basics and had to read quite much docs, but I got around it. :)
[11:56] <sledge> nalioth: turns out I forgot to add the universe and multiverse keywords to a source. sorry. :>
[11:56] <f8> what do i have to install to get all the control pannel options: control center....
[11:56] <nalioth> sledge: good to hear you are sorted
[11:57] <sledge> \o/
[11:57] <sledge> _o/
[12:01] <kwtm1> I have a problem: my printer is stopped.  I can't seem to restart it.  Under System Settings > Hardware > Pinters > that particular printer (in Administrator Mode), I can see that the printer is stopped.  But there's no button for starting it again.  I can't print!  Can someone help?
[12:01] <simian__> !virtual host
[12:01] <ubotu> simian__: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:01] <simian__> !virtualhost
[12:01] <ubotu> simian__: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/


[00:24] <xnox> interesting meeting =)
[00:58] <freeflying> I missed it :)
[12:46]  * smartboyhw wonders why the topic is AOB....
[12:46] <ogra_> likely because someone forgot to close their meeting
[12:47] <soren> That would be pitti.
[12:47] <smartboyhw> oops
[12:47] <ogra_> yeah, the backlog says so
[12:48] <soren> I've just poked him about it.
[12:48] <soren> #endmeeting
[12:48] <soren> Yeah, he has to do it.
[12:48] <soren> Was worth a try, though :)
[13:01] <xnox> #endmeeting
[13:02]  * xnox failed at highjacking pitti's nickname
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Eh doesn't work:P
[13:19] <pitti> #endmeeting
[13:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 19 13:19:23 2013 UTC.
[13:19] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-18-21.07.moin.txt
[13:19] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-18-21.07.html
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Clap Clap Clap
[13:19] <pitti> sorry about that
[13:19] <pitti> longest TB meeting EVAR
[13:20] <soren> No harm done.
[13:20] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:20] <soren> smartboyhw just wodered why the topic said "AOB".
[13:20] <smartboyhw> soren, Any Other Business
[13:20] <soren> Sure, I know.
[13:21] <ogra_> now you know twice ;)
[13:22] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:22] <ogra_> soren, its like counters on websites ... twice is better ;)
[14:54] <AlanBell> fwiw anyone with a member cloak can op up in this channel and it listens to operators as if they were chair
[14:55] <AlanBell> so you can get ops by /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-meeting and then #endmeeting even if it wasn't your meeting to end
[14:55] <AlanBell> soren: ogra_ xnox ^^
[14:56] <xnox> awesome.
[16:01] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <m_3> hola
[16:01] <yolanda> hi
[16:02]  * Daviey has to offer his apologies, clashing event.
[16:02] <Daviey> smoser: chairing?
[16:05] <arosales> hello
[16:06] <smoser> i can chair.
[16:06] <smoser> sorry.
[16:06] <smoser> here now.
[16:06] <smoser> #startmeeting ubuntu-server
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[16:06] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:06] <smoser> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:07]  * smoser looks for logs to get action items
[16:07] <smoser> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-12-16.01.html
[16:08] <smoser> Daviey, you're listed there as send request for testing
[16:08] <smoser> did we send? i dont think so.
[16:08] <Daviey> smoser: sort of "no".
[16:08] <smoser> we did release a alpha-2 cloud images . (http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/alpha-2/)
[16:08] <smoser> hm...
[16:09] <smoser> ok, so we'll re-action that? i really do think we should make an effort there.
[16:09] <Daviey> +1
[16:09] <smoser> #ACTION Daviey send call for alpha-2-ish testing
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: Daviey send call for alpha-2-ish testing
[16:10] <smoser>     ACTION: jamespage to milesone documentation updates (zul, 16:38:45)
[16:10] <smoser> jamespage, ^
[16:10] <jamespage> not done yet
[16:10] <smoser> #ACTION: jamespage to milesone documentation updates [carryover]
[16:10] <meetingology> ACTION: : jamespage to milesone documentation updates [carryover]
[16:10] <smoser> #topic Raring Development
[16:11] <smoser> release tracking: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-r-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server
[16:11] <jamespage> action was actually to ensure that any doc updates in BP's are milestoned appropriatly
[16:11] <smoser> jamespage, ah. ok. do you need help there?
[16:12] <smoser> ok. so release tracking link up there. maas is the biggest thing. and the qemu-kvm.
[16:12] <smoser> hallyn, do you have a handle on the qemu-kvm bug ?
[16:12] <jamespage> smoser, nah - its OK - I'll do it
[16:12] <smoser> bug 1092715
[16:12] <jamespage> that one is killing me slowly
[16:13] <hallyn> smoser: yes, i just need to talk to pitti again
[16:13] <hallyn> smoser: there is a real bug in udev,
[16:13] <smoser> hallyn, please do... that is a real pain
[16:13] <hallyn> but i want to just work around it
[16:13]  * smoser is tired of 'chmod 666 /dev/kvm'
[16:13] <hallyn> all right, i'll talk to him today or tomorrow
[16:13] <hallyn> (depending on his tz)
[16:13] <jamespage> lol
[16:13] <smoser> roaksoax, maas and release tracking ?
[16:14] <smoser> err... sru. i think we're nearing it.
[16:14] <smoser> hm.. we'll maybe come back to that.
[16:14] <roaksoax> smoser: well, bigjools had to adapt a patch to django so that it would be done in the maas side instead. But since I just learned he is with leave... then we'll have to ping someone else on the MAAS team
[16:15] <roaksoax> s/to django/for django/
[16:15] <smoser> roaksoax, ok. please do follow up there. i'm sure we can find someone on maas team to accomplish.
[16:15] <smoser> blueprints: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-servercloud-overview.html
[16:15] <roaksoax> smoser: other than that, is merging the latest fixes we have left for it
[16:16] <smoser> please just be responsible with your blueprints. try to get them into a state that reflects where they actually are, remember that feature freeze is coming up, and ping jamespage, daviey, or I if you are concerned about their status.
[16:16] <smoser> release schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule . feature freeze is March 7.
[16:17] <smoser> #Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:17] <smoser> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:17] <smoser> anyone have anything here ?
[16:18] <smoser> i think that jcastro is going to scale this week.
[16:18] <smoser> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/
[16:18] <smoser> and talking ther eabout juju.
[16:18] <smoser> anyone have anything else ?
[16:19] <smoser> ok. moving on.
[16:19] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:20] <smoser> this topic should probably be up for consideration on removal. doesn't seem to have been very busy recently.
[16:20] <smoser> moving on
[16:20] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:20] <smb> Finally tracked down an elusive Xen bug that was paining Precise
[16:20] <smb> but potentially lurked around till now. That is currently going
[16:20] <smb> upstream and then back (bug 1011792).
[16:20] <smb> Not sure I got more beside my struggles with libvirt. ;-P Any
[16:20] <smb> questions?
[16:20] <smb> ..
[16:21] <smoser> smb, i would love for you to fix my interest in providing 'console=ttyS0' everywhere on command lines and have that not screw things up when there is not ttyS0
[16:22] <smoser> most recently causing issues at 1122245
[16:22] <smb> smoser, I could imagine our method of fixing your interest might be incompatible...
[16:22] <hallyn> put the bat away....
[16:22] <smb> :)
[16:23] <smb> The problem seemed that the kernel itself has no issue... it is hard to tell user-space what to use...
[16:23] <smoser> smb, well, any ways i dream of fixing it from user-space are basically doomed.
[16:23] <smoser> as the kernel has this nice buffer on writes to /dev/console
[16:23] <smoser> so things work for a while, and then randomly faily.
[16:24] <smoser> so, its really toufh to come up with a way that user space could "fix" the situation  or work around it.
[16:25] <smoser> so, my request is really that you just try to think of a way that writes to /dev/console could never fail.
[16:25] <smb> smoser, I try to think on it. Though not promising too much
[16:26] <smoser> k
[16:26] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:26] <smoser> (smb, thank you for being prepared for your section).
[16:27] <smoser> rbasak not present, moving on.
[16:28] <smoser> #topic Open Discussion
[16:28] <smoser> o. i have one topic here, that is "QA".
[16:28] <smoser> in 2 repsects
[16:28] <smoser> a.) should we change/remove/update that section of our meeting ? it seems not to have much in it.
[16:29] <smoser> b.) are we having a call for testing, and what should that mean ? what manual tests do we have around still ? what things should we ask people to test?
[16:29] <smoser> anyone have comments on that? i'm largely talking to myself today.
[16:29] <jamespage> most 'ISO' tests are now automated
[16:29] <jamespage> if we where going to call for testing I would think two things would be good
[16:30] <jamespage> 1) write dep-8 tests - we have a big list
[16:30] <jamespage> 2) exercise stuff off-piste - generalist testing
[16:30] <roaksoax> I think 1) makes lots of sense
[16:31] <roaksoax> to get the community engadged
[16:31] <hallyn> should we invite gema for this section?
[16:31] <hallyn> or have jamespage represent?
[16:32] <roaksoax> jamespage: represent!!
[16:32] <jamespage> hallyn, tbh some of the reason the dep-8 bp is going nowhere is that I'm focussed elsewhere
[16:32] <roaksoax> :)
[16:32] <hallyn> jamespage: perhaps we should be discussing that
[16:32] <arosales> smoser: m_3 will also join jcastro at scale11x this week.
[16:33] <hallyn> though of course, i doubt we'll find anyone not swamped right now
[16:33] <m_3> yeah, wasn't gonna correct anything
[16:33] <hallyn> but maybe the bp needs a team of 2-3 ppl
[16:33] <jamespage> yeah - its just down the priority list
[16:34] <smoser> ok. so in our "requeest for testing" we should generally ask people to test either ISO or cloud images and try to accomplish their generic specific work loads.
[16:35] <jamespage> hallyn, I think its a good point - if we are going to move to a rolling release inbetween LTS releases of server then knowing when stuff is bust is really importnat
[16:35] <smoser> hoping to have things fallout that are not found in our testing. and also request that if they are able to add dep-8 tests, that'd be wonderful.
[16:35] <jamespage> smoser, I think that would be great!
[16:35] <m_3> should we add in requests for charm testing (i.e., /tests dir in each charm)?
[16:35] <m_3> or is that best left separate?
[16:36] <smoser> i would leave that out of "Ubuntu server raring call for testing", m_3.
[16:36] <smoser> i dont think begging for such things is bad, but just that it doesn't fit there.
[16:36] <m_3> ack
[16:36] <smoser> jamespage, so do you think we should move you to the name in '()' for qa section ?
[16:37] <jamespage> smoser, no - I want direct engagement with the QA team in this meeting
[16:37] <jamespage> its been lacking and I think we a suffering for it
[16:37] <smoser> ok. so can you take an action there ? or do you want me to draft a mail requesting participation
[16:37] <jamespage> smoser, but I'll take an action to go discuss with gemma
[16:37] <smoser> #action jamespage discuss QA representation at Server TeamMeeting
[16:37] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage discuss QA representation at Server TeamMeeting
[16:38] <smoser> i'm going to #endmeeting if noone has any objections?
[16:38] <roaksoax> i do
[16:38] <roaksoax> have something to bring up
[16:38] <roaksoax> I've been considering dropping HA support for OCFS2 with pacemaker/corosync. The soon to be released pacemaker 1.1.9 has improved performance for large clusters (up to 16 node clusters). However, this requires corosync 2.X. Upgrading would mean dropping the support for OCFS2 in Pacemaker/Corosync because OCFS upstream has not updated its code to support the changes that have been made on the corosync side. From [1], we currently support Option
[16:38] <roaksoax> [1]: http://theclusterguy.clusterlabs.org/post/34604901720/pacemaker-and-cluster-filesystems
[16:40] <smoser> roaksoax, i suggest raising on ubuntu-server and ubuntu-cloud
[16:40] <roaksoax> smoser: ack!
[16:40] <smoser> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:41] <smoser> next meeting is same time, same place, 7 days from now.
[16:41] <smoser>  Tuesday 2013-02-26 at 1600 UTC
[16:41] <smoser> chair will be the honorable hallyn.
[16:41] <arosales> smoser: thanks for chairing
[16:41] <smoser> #endmeeting.
[16:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 19 16:41:40 2013 UTC.
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[16:41] <jamespage> thanks smoser!
[16:42] <Daviey> thanks smoser
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/raring
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <cking> \o
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <sconklin> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> nothing new to report this week
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || hardware-r-kernel-config-review       || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || hardware-r-delta-review               || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || foundations-r-secure-boot             || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || foundations-r-aarch64                 || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || hardware-r-kernel-config-review       || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || hardware-r-kernel-version-and-flavors || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || hardware-r-arm-kernel-maintenance     || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || hardware-r-kernel-misc                || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ppisati   || hardware-r-kernel-config-review       || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || smb       || servercloud-r-libvirt                 || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || servercloud-r-xen                     || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || rtg       || hardware-r-delta-review               || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> The above summarizes the remaining work items owned by individuals on
[17:02] <ogasawara> our team for the rest of the 13.04 cycle.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Raring Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We have rebased the Raring kernel to the final upstream v3.8 release and
[17:02] <ogasawara> uploaded.  We also made a few misc config changes and added some i915
[17:02] <ogasawara> fixes.
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * Raring:
[17:02] <ogasawara>   * Thurs Mar 07 - 13.04 Feature Freeze
[17:03] <ogasawara>   * Thurs Mar 21 - 13.04 Beta Freeze
[17:03] <ogasawara>   * Thurs Mar 28 - 13.04 Beta Release
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (henrix)
[17:03] <henrix> Currently we have 30 CVEs on our radar, with 2 CVEs added and 3 CVEs retired this week.
[17:03] <henrix> See the CVE matrix for the current list:
[17:03] <henrix> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:03] <henrix> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt
[17:03] <henrix> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:03] <henrix> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Quantal/Precise/Oneiric/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix)
[17:04] <henrix> Due to an high priority CVE, all the stable kernels are being respined this week.
[17:04] <henrix> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <henrix>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <henrix> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <henrix>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <henrix> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:04] <henrix>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseInterlock
[17:04] <henrix> Note: The week of March 28 is the week the last Hardy and Oneiric kernels will be built.
[17:04] <henrix> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 19 17:05:06 2013 UTC.
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[17:22] <cprofitt> is anyone here for the Ubuntu Friendly meeting?
[17:28] <vibhav> cproffit: o/
[17:29] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, o/
[17:30] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, vibhav I think we can tall by mailing list
[17:30] <vibhav> Sure
[17:32] <cprofitt> hey vibhav
[17:32] <cprofitt> good to see you
[17:33] <vibhav> :)
[17:33] <cprofitt> we are in #ubuntu-quality right now if you want to join us there
[17:33] <vibhav> Sure
[17:33] <cprofitt> sorry that the meeting did not get off the ground this time around
[18:56] <notgary> Anyone here?
[18:59] <notgary> Anyone here?
[19:00] <druellan> Hi Chris
[19:01] <notgary> Hey Dario, how's it going?
[19:02] <druellan> Fine, but I've just got back from my holidays, and my clients are killing me with emails :P
[19:03] <notgary> Sounds like a whole load of fun :)
[19:03] <notgary> Is anyone else in here for the paper cuts meeting?
[19:04] <notgary> druellan: guess it's just you and me tonight :)
[19:05] <druellan> Haha, oh well
[19:05]  * BobJonkman is lurking
[19:05] <notgary> #startmeeting One Hundred Paper Cuts meeting for 19th Feb 2013
[19:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 19 19:05:51 2013 UTC.  The chair is notgary. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:06] <notgary> BobJonkman: The lurk away my friend. If you have anything to say, then just go ahead and say it. don;t worry about interrupting
[19:06] <BobJonkman> notgary: Thanx!
[19:06] <notgary> #meetingtopic Review of previous meeting minutes
[19:07] <notgary> #meetingtopic One Hundred Paper Cuts meeting for 19th Feb 2013
[19:07] <notgary> #topic Review of previous meeting minutes
[19:07] <notgary> That's better
[19:07] <notgary> The agenda for this meeting can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Meetings/19Feb2013
[19:08] <notgary> Item 1, review of the last meetings minutes
[19:08] <notgary> which can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Meetings/24Jan2013#Outcome
[19:08] <notgary> The first relevant part was Developer week
[19:09] <druellan> OH, I'm still supposed to talk about all thouse items?
[19:09] <notgary> Yep
[19:09] <notgary> they're on this weeks agenda though
[19:09] <notgary> so don't worry
[19:09] <druellan> No problem, carry on.
[19:10] <notgary> the original plan for Developer Week was to produce a couple of videos
[19:10] <notgary> One showing the user how to download and build the source for Rhythmbox
[19:10] <notgary> and another doing the same for Unity
[19:10] <notgary> Neither were done :P
[19:10] <notgary> which is what I was supposed to do.
[19:10] <notgary> :P
[19:11] <notgary> I'm going to put them off for the Global Jam next weekend
[19:11] <notgary> and try and get a Google+ Hanhout going with Jose, so people can watch them in real time and ask questions
[19:11] <druellan> Ubuntu communty on G+ is getting some traction now
[19:11] <notgary> We also decided we needed a more coherent strategy for attractting new contributors
[19:12] <notgary> I've noticed
[19:12] <notgary> :P
[19:12] <notgary> G+ seems to be setting some as well
[19:12] <notgary> but I digress :P
[19:13] <notgary> I had planned to reach out to Daniel Holbach to discuss some new ideas for getting people interested in contributing to Ubuntu, which I didm;t get round to doing
[19:13] <notgary> Jeez I'm bad at getting things done :P
[19:13] <notgary> The next item we decided on was to hold regular meetings
[19:13] <notgary> We didm;t do so well for the couple of weeks after that one, but hopefully this one we're in now will be the start of a new dawn for paper cuts meetings :)
[19:14] <druellan> well, about the per week meetings
[19:14] <notgary> Shoot
[19:14] <druellan> its good if you need to quickly be in touch with people
[19:14] <druellan> but is hard to promote, I mean, if you have a meeting too often you loose some traction
[19:15] <notgary> how so?
[19:15] <druellan> sorry, phone
[19:17] <notgary> What do you mean by 'lose some traction'? Do you think people will lose interest if we have too many meetings?
[19:18] <notgary> druellan: you still there?
[19:18] <druellan> I'm here, sorry. Yes, I believe that cen be the case, but we can use the current schedule to prove me wrong
[19:18] <cprofitt> notgary: this is focused on papercuts?
[19:18] <notgary> cprofitt: yep
[19:18]  * cprofitt nods
[19:19] <notgary> I'd taken the idea from the weekly meetings the kernel and desktop team were having
[19:19] <notgary> thinking it might be good for us too
[19:19] <cprofitt> I think regular meetings help keep a team focused
[19:20] <notgary> that was my thinking
[19:20] <cprofitt> but regular does not have to be a every week or every other week
[19:20] <cprofitt> irc meetings can cause some to feel they are losing touch with the team if they can not make meetings
[19:20] <druellan> Yes, I have the feeling that per week maybe can be too often
[19:20] <cprofitt> with the timezone issue that is often a fact of life
[19:21] <druellan> since a papercutter is more a hobbyst than a regular contrbutor
[19:21] <cprofitt> I think ensuring that you summarize the meetings on the mailing list and the wiki helps avoid that
[19:21] <cprofitt> but with one team I was on decision were made in meetings via vote
[19:21] <cprofitt> and some people became frustrated because they were never able to vote
[19:22] <notgary> I wanted to use the meetings as a place where team members would come together in real time, and where new contributors could come in and speak with them. Perhaps a better idea than a single hour long meeting each week could be "On tuesday's between 6pm and 10pm you're guaranteed to find paper cutters on IRC. Come talk to them"
[19:22] <notgary> So it;s  a lot less formal
[19:22] <cprofitt> notgary: I think that is an excellent idea
[19:23] <cprofitt> not so much a meeting, but a 'work' session
[19:23] <druellan> cprofitt: well, a meeting per two week or per mounth you get sure you make the time to assits, per week is usually more difficult if you're bussy or your timezone
[19:23] <cprofitt> perhaps extend that to having team members be able to fill time slots
[19:23] <cprofitt> that would allow people in different TZs to mentor too
[19:23] <notgary> Great idea
[19:24] <notgary> Shall we vote on it, since it might be our last meeting for a while :P
[19:24] <cprofitt> your team is one I have wanted to get involved with for a while, but the three children keep be busy
[19:25] <notgary> Excellent. Well I hope you manage to find some time. Even just an hour a week can make a world of difference
[19:26] <notgary> Anyway
[19:26] <notgary> Lets move onto this weeks agenda
[19:26] <notgary> #topic what are we working on
[19:27] <notgary> One thing I've learned from my job is that it's very useful for team members to briefly tell each other what they're working on and what problems they're currently facing with the task
[19:27] <notgary> And I'd like to try that out here
[19:27] <notgary> I'll go first
[19:27] <notgary> I'm currently putting together ideas for some events during the global Jam next weekend
[19:27] <notgary> I've left it too late to organise a physical event
[19:28] <notgary> So I'm going to host it in IRC this time round
[19:28] <notgary> It'll run along two tracks
[19:28] <notgary> Bug triage and development tutorials
[19:28] <notgary> Those videos I mentioned earlier, about how to build some of the packages
[19:28] <notgary> Will be reorded then
[19:28] <notgary> *recorded
[19:29] <notgary> I also want to try and get some people together and trawl through the backlog of bugs on some of the core GTK+ packages
[19:29] <notgary> and try and touch as many of them as possible, forwarding relevant ones to the paper cuts team in the process
[19:29] <notgary> Not really got a lot of problems with it so far
[19:29] <notgary> druellan: over to you
[19:30] <druellan> Well, I was trying to get into a meeting :P
[19:30] <notgary> :)
[19:30] <druellan> To expose the topics I posted on the wiki
[19:31] <notgary> You mean the ones you were going to discuss last time?
[19:31] <druellan> Basically, since I was away on holidays, somehow disconnected
[19:32] <druellan> I found diffucult to understand what was going on in here, so, thats way I proposed this topics to discuss
[19:34] <notgary> Would you prefer to discuss them outside of the meeting, such as on the mailing list or IRC?
[19:34] <notgary> It seems like you're having some connection issues.
[19:34] <druellan> Yes, sorry I'm a bit complicated right now
[19:34] <notgary> No worries mate
[19:34] <druellan> I send a mail to you and the ninja list explaining some of the ideas
[19:35] <notgary> Cool
[19:35] <druellan> If you like I can try to quickly explain them here
[19:35] <druellan> (if I remember all of them :p)
[19:35] <notgary> The wiki: the landing page.
[19:35] <notgary> Impressions about the new wiki organization.
[19:35] <notgary> The new Dojo.
[19:35] <notgary> Whats everybody doing right now? Milestones and crowdfixing bugs.
[19:35] <notgary> Papercuts Ninjas: to fix, to triage or both (why I need to be a ninja)?
[19:35] <notgary> Papercutters superninjas?
[19:36] <notgary> thats what you posted to the wiki agenda
[19:36] <notgary> Wow, seems like there was some kind of collision there
[19:36] <druellan> Yes, half of them I don't remember whats about, but I'll try
[19:37] <notgary> If you can't remember, then don;t worry about it just now
[19:37] <notgary> Just write it in an email. that'll be better for all.
[19:37] <druellan> The thing is, when we started focusing in apps
[19:37] <druellan> The cycle where tied to a calendar
[19:38] <druellan> say, one app per mouth, is that correct?
[19:38] <druellan> mounth
[19:38] <notgary> Sorry about that
[19:38] <druellan> Wow, you're all right?
[19:39] <notgary> Got my IRC client a bit messed up when I pasted multiple lines of text in
[19:39] <druellan> No prob
[19:39] <notgary> druellan: Do you want to wait until later before discussion this stuff, to give you a bit of time to think about it?
[19:40] <druellan> I'll try to expose the main idea now if you like
[19:40] <notgary> If it's not too much troubble
[19:40] <druellan> I was saying, if I'm not mistaken, when we started focusing on one app per cycle
[19:41] <druellan> Cycles where tied to a calendar , say, one per month, is that correct?
[19:41] <notgary> Yep
[19:42] <druellan> Well, when we discovered that GTK+ and Compiz where important, things started to behave more kahotic
[19:43] <druellan> I think we're loosing the potential that an app per cycle can give us in terms of attracting more people to the project.
[19:43] <notgary> I see what you're saying
[19:43] <druellan> If, for example
[19:43] <druellan> we are currently on "Nautilus Cycle"
[19:44] <druellan> First, we can have a title on the wiki saying: "we are currently healing Nautilus, come along"
[19:44] <druellan> We can on advance have some sort of tutorial in place, in the dojo
[19:45] <druellan> If people come here trying to learn how to patch, is more likely that other devs can help them
[19:46] <druellan> And, we can advertise cycles this way
[19:47] <druellan> Just and idea
[19:48] <notgary> It sounds good. I've had some doubts about moving away for focused milestones as well. There's roughly two months left on the R-cycle, so we can move some things around and work on two apps during that time. How about Rhythmbox and Nautilus?
[19:49] <druellan> I think the key is to advertise we are now working on this or that, this way newcommers can know what to do
[19:50] <druellan> Rhythmbox cycle was very successful
[19:50] <druellan> we can give it a proper closure
[19:51] <notgary> Indeed
[19:51] <druellan> Oh, another thing, if we focus on an app per calendar, we can contact upstream in advnace and say: "this month we are going to bother you a lot!"
[19:51] <notgary> Yeah, that worked well for us with Rhytmbox. We contact them, and a week later they'd fixed a bunch of the bugs themselves :)
[19:52] <notgary> Anyway
[19:52] <notgary> we'll do things that way
[19:52] <notgary> Next item
[19:52] <notgary> #topic Review of original goals for Raring
[19:52] <notgary> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Raring
[19:52] <notgary> I put that together at the start of the Raring cycle
[19:52] <notgary> and proceeded to not look at it again until last week :P
[19:53] <notgary> I won;t go into the details with the little time we have left
[19:53] <notgary> but there's a lot of stuff on there that I'd like to try and focus on clearing
[19:53] <notgary> before the end of the cycle
[19:53] <notgary> such as clearing the backlog of New and Incomplete
[19:53] <notgary> bug
[19:53] <druellan> yes, the "indentify bugs" table was a good idea
[19:54] <notgary> The Global Jam events I mentioned earlier will help us with that table
[19:55] <notgary> If we have a lot of volunteers on IRC over that weened all working through the backlogs
[19:55] <notgary> we should be all set for the next cycle
[19:55] <notgary> with a healthy backlog of bugs to see us through
[19:55] <notgary> But yeah
[19:55] <notgary> I just wanted to bring this to people's attention
[19:55] <druellan> Are you going to propose Nautilus and Rhythmbox, or anything they can catch?
[19:56] <notgary> anything they can catch. the goal I have for that weekend is to send as many bugs our way as possible, so we can pick out the good ones to work on during the S-Cycle
[19:57] <druellan> Ok
[19:57] <notgary> That's about it for me. We've covered everything I wanted to talk about, though maybe not in the order they were listed on the wiki :P
[19:58] <notgary> druellan: BobJonkman: cprofitt You guys got anything you'd like to add?
[19:58] <notgary> Or any other lurkers out there?
[19:58] <BobJonkman> Nothing from me....
[19:58] <druellan> I think thats all, next meeting I can talk about other things on that list
[19:58] <notgary> Cool
[19:58] <notgary> Well if no one has anything else, then...
[19:59] <notgary> #endmeeting
[19:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 19 19:59:00 2013 UTC.
[19:59] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-19-19.05.moin.txt
[19:59] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-19-19.05.html
[19:59] <notgary> Thanks a lot for coming along
[19:59] <notgary> There were some excellent ideas tonight
[19:59] <druellan> what a cute bot
[19:59] <notgary> meetingology's excellent :)
[19:59] <notgary> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[19:59] <notgary> You can read more about it there
[20:00] <druellan> notgary: sorry I was not fully prepared for the topics
[20:00] <notgary> Don't worry about it. I was reading through my own topics as I was typing them in here :)
[20:00] <notgary> Anyway, if things are going to be less formal, no one'll have to worry about that in the future.


[00:17] <bobbo> hey, i'd like to get involved with motu-torrent team, can someone tell me where to start?