[00:00] <ZJAY> wedgie is that still right
[00:00] <wedgie> ln -s /media/dumpebut/whatever /Volumes/whatever
[00:00] <ZJAY> so i have to make the full path the symbolic link ofr each drive then
[00:01] <ZJAY> ok ill try that ty
[00:02] <lasersaber> anyone have issue playing video? at http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[00:03] <lasersaber> video will not play. unsing firefox. help
[00:03] <lasersaber> google chrome will not work either
[00:03] <samdam1> hello?
[00:04] <jeffrey_f> Ubuntu 16.10.  Most youtube videos do not start immediately.  If left alone, almost every one I have trouble with will eventually start playing.  Anyone have a solution to this annoyance?
[00:04] <lasersaber> tried several web browsers
[00:04] <samdam1> jeffrey, thats not limited to Ubuntu. Im on Windows and have this
[00:04] <samdam1> disable adblock or something like that
[00:04] <samdam1> anyway
[00:04] <samdam1> im using systemctl status to check a process but how do i get out of it
[00:04] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Identifying_if_the_computer_boots_the_Ubuntu_DVD_in_UEFI_mode
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Looking .
[00:05] <Firefly67> I am getting the purple screen and not the black one, that means I the USB is not booting in UEFI mode
[00:05] <jeffrey_f> samdam1: Well, that's good to know.
[00:05] <samdam1> jeffrey, do u know anything about systemctl?
[00:05] <samdam1> or no
[00:06] <samdam1> gah! so we cant leave systemctl or no?
[00:06] <generic> Hello guys
[00:06] <priporg> gksudo gedit /user/share/applications/Files <-- gives blank. trying to edit File launcher.
[00:07] <generic> Hey guys what was the command my linux automaticly to find drivers
[00:07] <jeffrey_f> samdam1: Not really, but what is the issue?
[00:07] <generic> like autodriver
[00:07] <priporg> sorry i mean, gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/Files <-- gives blank. trying to edit File launcher.
[00:07] <generic> or something like that
[00:07] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Uh HuH .. and hense the problems .  Once you know how to boot EFI it will be re-install time .
[00:08] <samdam1> i typed in 'sudo systemctl status <application>' and its telling me that applications status
[00:08] <samdam1> how do i get out of it and go back to comamndline
[00:08] <samdam1> commandline
[00:08] <Ben64> samdam1: you don't need to use sudo to get the status, and it should have already put you back on a prompt
[00:09] <samdam1> im using ubuntu server and well now i know that i didnt have to use sudo
[00:09] <samdam1> but its not
[00:09] <Bashing-om> generic: ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[00:09] <samdam1> the last thing is 'lines 1-21/21 (END_
[00:09] <samdam1> lines 1-21/21 (END)
[00:09] <generic> thank you so much Bashing
[00:09] <jeffrey_f> samdam1: CTL-C usually drops you out of most command line apps
[00:10] <samdam1> HOLY CRAP THAT WORKED!
[00:10] <samdam1> thanks!!!
[00:10] <samdam1> this was an issue i had for a month!
[00:10] <samdam1> thanks!!
[00:10] <Bashing-om> samdam1: 'q' for quit .
[00:10] <priporg> Bashing-om, what does ubuntu-drivers autoinstall do?
[00:10] <Darkchaos> And sometimes you need CTRL+D (^D) for EOF
[00:11] <jeffrey_f> Or type q.  lol
[00:11] <Darkchaos> And if the app hangs, open a new terminal, issue ps aux | grep my-app, take the pid and then kill -9 pid. Or use htop
[00:11] <Bashing-om> priporg: Goes a hunting and installs all drivers it thinks is best for the situation(s) .
[00:11] <priporg> Bashing-om, it installs over existing drivers?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> priporg: No, best results is to purge prior to intalling .
[00:13] <priporg> Bashing-om, purge, blacklist, and reboot?
[00:14] <gregl> priporg, Files isn't the correct name of the file manager.. It is actually nautilus...
[00:15] <Bashing-om> priporg: I rare see that the installer does not take care of the blacklisting . but if ya in repect to graphic's cards. check and make sure there is no xorg.conf file .
[00:15] <priporg> gregl, the icon is named File. The File launcher icon is what i like to edit but don't know how.
[00:16] <gregl> priporg, Do you mean change the icon?
[00:16] <lasersaber> anyone have issue playing video? at http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[00:16] <lasersaber> google chrome will not work either
[00:16] <lasersaber> video will not play. unsing firefox. help
[00:16] <priporg> gregl, i want to edit the code of the File launcher icon
[00:18] <Ben64> lasersaber: it doesn't work, blame hulu
[00:19]  * lasersaber :(
[00:22] <wanderson> oi
[00:23] <wanderson> alguem ai
[00:23] <lasersaber> nao
[00:31] <Bashing-om> fi
[00:31] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Are you here now ? " Converting Ubuntu into UEFI or Legacy mode "
[00:32] <whallz> hi, im on irssi on tty1 cause i broke my x server
[00:32] <whallz> i tried to change from nvidia back to nouveau and failed
[00:32] <whallz> how should i procede to debug this?
[00:33] <whallz> is there a quick 'dpkg-reconfigure' way of restoring all this to a default state ?
[00:33] <Ben64> what did you do exactly
[00:33] <whallz> just before trying to switch to nouveau, i was messing with xrandr too cause my hdmi output was not working properly, im on a laptop
[00:34] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, I am here, I managed to boot the USB drive in UEFI mode
[00:34] <Firefly67> but now I have a screen like this: http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/07/install-ubuntu-alongside-windows-partition-sizes-100599649-orig.png
[00:35] <Firefly67> it says Files, 50.1 GB on the left, and Ubuntu, 51.6 GB on the right
[00:35] <Firefly67> should I keep it that way, or change it by moving the divider?
[00:35] <Firefly67> is the one on the left for my files, and that on the right for the OS?
[00:36] <whallz> im running ubuntu 16.04, and i did: sudo apt autoremove --purge nvidia-*, then i backed up my xorg.conf, then i installed nouveau-firmware, then run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg which gave no wizard nor any output, then rebooted
[00:37] <_adb> ubuntu 14.04 server hangs when trying to connect to wireless network (WPA) on boot: "Waiting for network configuration... Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration..." and eventually boots without networking. logging in as root and running `ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0` works. any ideas what to try or look into next?
[00:37] <whallz> now X won't start, at boot i get to a login screen on tty1
[00:38] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: No, that " install alongside" is not now the option ya want as you presently have a 'buntu install . might give boot-re-pair a whirl ( gparted show that there is a ext4 partition ?) .
[00:39] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, why should I not do install alongside?
[00:39] <Firefly67> I have just booted the live USB, and am still trying to install Ubuntu
[00:40] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: that 9,6 Gigs is mighty small ( but will marginally do ) .. ya want at a minimum 30 Gigs for a lasting install .// That " install alongside" will give you an additional install of ubuntu .
[00:41] <Firefly67> On my screen (that is not my screenshot, just similar), it is 50 GB on each side. What do Files and Ubuntu stand for?
[00:44] <feneco> I just installed ubuntu 16.10 instead of 16.04 and now grub shows this entry:
[00:44] <feneco> Found Fedora release 23 (Twenty Three) on /dev/mapper/fedora_unknown7071bc0d072e-root
[00:44] <feneco> it wasn't showing before, any idea what it could be?
[00:44] <feneco> and how to remove?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Careful then ! I was going to ping on you doing this as a Vbox ( virtual Box) install . in that pic I will have to assume that the 17,1 (NTFS) partition is a Windows data partition and that ubuntu is installed to the 9.6 Gig partition .
[00:45] <whallz> Ben64: how may i restore default driver and xorg.conf ?
[00:46] <whallz> i have   that crappy optimus intel-nvidia hardware thingy on my laptop
[00:46] <Ben64> oh good luck
[00:49] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Show us ( the channel ) a screen shot of your present install from GParted . Then we can better advise .
[00:49] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, my partition looks like this: http://imgur.com/a/YTmnE (this is my own screenshot)
[00:50] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: K ^ looking .
[00:50] <Firefly67> on the left of that divider, I have /dev/sda7, on the right, /dev/sda8
[00:51] <Firefly67> sda8 doesn't exist in the partitions I have till now, and neither sda7 nor sda8 has Windows
[00:51] <Firefly67> sda3 is windows
[00:53] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Does not look too shabby at all . need to set the boot option for sda1 as the EFI boot partition - IF that is what sda1 is . / Better info from terminal command ' sudo parted -l ' .
[00:54] <_adb> !paste
[00:56] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, I am unable to open a terminal while the install window is up. Do you know why it seems to want to divede sda7 into sda7 and sda8? What do "Files" and "Ubuntu" stand for?
[00:57] <Firefly67> and is the equal division (50 GB each) advisable/desirable?
[00:59] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: I presently have no referednce to what you are referring to as " do "Files" and "Ubuntu" stand for " . Try and get a terminal with key combo clt+alt+t .
[01:00] <Guest79022> sup nubs
[01:00] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: Currently sda7 is the partition containing ubuntu . I seee nothing about a sda8 (??) .
[01:01] <pissed_jedi> hello
[01:02] <pissed_jedi> tor-sas1... hummm I saw something really fun
[01:02] <torism> lol... whos that dude?
[01:03] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: " and is the equal division (50 GB each) advisable/desirable? " . Only you can say . How much space does Windows need for your use case ?
[01:03] <bazhang> torism, ubuntu support issue?
[01:03] <torism> hi bazhang ! dont ban me!
[01:03] <bazhang> torism, take the chat somewhere else please
[01:04] <torism> ok
[01:06] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, here is my own screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/QMraG
[01:08] <_adb> `grep wlan0 /var/log/syslog` produces http://paste.ubuntu.com/23736666/  it looks like a dependency issue: network manager isn't starting up until after dhclient fails to get an IP address. any help appreciated...
[01:10] <lasersaber> anyone have issue playing video? at http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104439/anonymous-question-box
[01:10] <lasersaber> google chrome will not work either
[01:10] <lasersaber> video will not play. unsing firefox. help
[01:10] <Ben64> lasersaber: it still doesn't work
[01:10] <Ben64> asking all day isn't going to magically make it work
[01:11] <lasersaber> someone might know how.
[01:11] <lasersaber> other people on here worked for them
[01:12] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: In that last screen shot  - I see no EFI boot partition ! What have you done to Windows ? Was window 10 installed as EFI or did you remove the boot partitioin ? in terminal eun ' sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 ' so we can see the numbers and the partitioning .
[01:12] <bazhang> lasersaber, did you try downloading the video and playing with smplayer yet
[01:13] <lasersaber> bazhang, i tried download video helper, but the file would not play with vlc. i will try with smplayer then
[01:15] <Firefly67> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/zvxf
[01:16] <Firefly67> there's no sda8, it's attempting to create it
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: There is no sda8 , Why are you concerned about a possible sda8 ? Things now look 'good' . Were me I would try boot-repair and see if that smart tool will fix the booting .
[01:21] <Firefly67> in my screenshot, the right side says /dev/sda8
[01:21] <ikonia> is it possible this is just too advanced a topic for you at this time in your ability ?
[01:22] <ikonia> you've been at this almost a whole day and you're not really any futher along ?
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: your http://imgur.com/a/QMraG ? I can not see anything about a sda8 .
[01:23] <ikonia> Bashing-om: partition on the right
[01:23] <Firefly67> if you enlarge the image, you will see /dev/sda8 on the right
[01:26] <Bashing-om> ikonia: Firefly67 Dies not render will for me . and makes kittle sense as parted shows " 7      132GB   233GB  102GB   ext4 " . A 102 Gig partition for ubuntu .
[01:26] <ikonia> Bashing-om: it's not the clearest of photo
[01:26] <torism> bye
[01:29] <Bashing-om> ikonia: yeah expanded I can see . still , not what parted shows . not at all sure what Firefly67 is doing there .
[01:29] <ikonia> Bashing-om: hence why I'm just wondering if this is too big a jump dual booting
[01:31] <Firefly67> this is what happened when I booted the live USB in UEFI mode, I didn't do anything at all. Before I was booted in BIOS mode, and did the placed a partition in the unallocated space from Windows shrinking - maybe the combination has messed things up?
[01:31] <Firefly67> in the BIOS mode, I couldn't see the option to install alongside Windows, in the UEFI mode, I see it, but it seems to want to split the current sda7 into sda7 and sda8, and I don't understand why
[01:36] <lasersaber> i give up
[01:37] <lasersaber> will have to use winblows on vm then :-/
[01:37] <ikonia> it's called "windows"
[01:40] <wedgie> lasersaber: doesn't work for me either. Not with firefox and flash plugin, and not with chrome
[01:53] <Jordan_U> Firefly67: If your Windows installation is configured to boot via UEFI, which it sounds like it is, then you also want to install Ubuntu via UEFI. I se nothing wrong with the screenshot that you've posted.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> s/se/see/
[01:56] <Firefly67> Jordan_U, I tried "install alongside windows", and that gives me that division into Files/Ubuntu, and I don't know what that is about
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: I say again . That will now give you 2 instances of a ubuntu install ( splitting the Windows' install to do so ) .
[01:58] <Firefly67> yes, I think so too
[02:01] <lasersaber> wedgie, :(
[02:02] <wedgie> lasersaber: not sure what that site is doing, but it's something funky. The error i get on chrome suggests that it's some sort of DRM thing
[02:04] <lasersaber> what's that?
[02:06] <wedgie> Digital Rights Management. It's the silly idea that you can send data to someone else's device and still retain control over how it is used.
[02:06] <lasersaber> oh
[02:09] <CodeMouse92> IIRC, DRM is the reason Netflix hasn't worked on Linux for the longest time
[02:10] <lasersaber> CodeMouse92, netflix works on chrome with netflix addon
[02:10] <icedwater> Hi folks :)
[02:10] <lasersaber> hi icedwater
[02:10] <wedgie> it works super well, too. I've never seen a show ripped off of netflix on the Internet... But that's enough off-topic and sarcasm
[02:10] <CodeMouse92> lasersaber: Right, that untangles the DRM madness, IIRC
[02:10] <lasersaber> oh
[02:10] <lasersaber> :)
[02:11] <CodeMouse92> lasersaber: Some people are able to bypass that silliness with a User Agent Switcher
[02:11] <CodeMouse92> Weaker systems can be fooled into thinking you're running from Windows.
[02:11] <lasersaber> for firefox?
[02:11] <lasersaber> or chrome?
[02:12] <CodeMouse92> lasersaber: Well, I've personally only used the Chrome/Opera one
[02:13] <CodeMouse92> But there's one for Firefox too. I do not know if that'll help or not. ._.
[02:14] <lasersaber> yeah i just installed it on firefox but dont know how to use it
[02:22] <lasersaber> CodeMouse92, thank you so much! works!!!!!! :) :D lol
[02:26] <CodeMouse92> lasersaber: SERIOUSLY? Awesome!
[02:26]  * CodeMouse92 does his Snoopy dance
[02:32] <cmder>  Hi. Is it possible to have a linux system without root-setuid executables?
[02:32] <icedwater> cmder: well, what are they and why do you not want them? :)
[02:33] <wedgie> cmder: there are plenty of things that would be much more difficult to do... such as allowing a non-privileged user to change their password. Or log in for that matter
[02:33]  * icedwater nods at wedgie.
[02:33] <icedwater> I suppose it could be managed, though.
[02:34] <cmder> Just I wonder about how perfect security can be in linux systems.
[02:35] <cmder> Say No Xorg, No graphical interface. Just emacs, ssh things and compilers. Isn't is possible
[02:37] <Speiros> cmder Perfect isn't a reality at present.
[02:39] <cmder> SpacePenguin, :) No system without setuid :)
[02:39] <wedgie> cmder: well, you can find all of the setuid binaries on your system with something like ''find / -perm -4000''   Then you just have to fiure out how to replace their functionality
[02:41] <cmder> wedgie: I just did. My system is huge. And I can not find a way... ssh uses setuid in debian. Some programs used by emacs are use setuid. I just wondered if there is a distro for this reason.
[02:41] <pukka> ping, passwd, ....
[02:42] <wedgie> cmnder: none that i'm aware of. Maybe a broader audience in #linux would be a better place to ask
[02:43] <cmder> wedgie: OK . Thanks a lot.
[02:43] <icedwater> wedgie: good point. Or #ubuntu-offtopic, or just another distro's channel that isn't debian-based :)
[02:46] <icedwater> cmder: you're the second person to ask security-related stuff in about a day
[02:52] <Speiros> What is this "Max SendQ exceeded" message that appears?  I noticed people come in and they go out with that message.
[03:01] <flandersss> Speiros:  hi, i am init_one
[03:02] <icedwater> I shall not be assimilated!
[03:02] <icedwater> I mean, hello.
[03:02] <Speiros> flandersss Hi:)
[03:02] <Speiros> lol icedwater
[03:02] <flandersss> speiros hours  in australia?
[03:03] <Speiros> flandersss 14:00 hours
[03:04] <flandersss> 00:00 am here
[03:04] <flandersss> is a dark nigth
[03:11] <flandersss> parece una tarde tranquila
[03:11] <flandersss> Speiros:  i have to sleep, good bye
[03:12] <Speiros> Ok, sleep well flandersss
[03:12] <icedwater> flandersss: Goodnight!
[03:12] <flandersss> adios everywhere, desde Argentina!!!!
[03:16] <feneco> nvidia drivers werent working with ubuntu 16.10
[03:16] <feneco> with 16.04 it works just fine
[03:20] <samthewildone> I'm getting "no flash" error within chrome on select websites.
[03:21] <samthewildone> *certain websites
[03:21] <ilyaigpetrov> how long will it take before Chromium 55 makes its way into repository?
[03:21] <ilyaigpetrov> repository of trusty
[03:23] <ilyaigpetrov> I'm a web developer and I want to make sure features I use are available to many people, that's why I want to wait till 55 lands into Trusyt
[03:33] <RVanguard> Hello! Can anyone help me bindsym caps lock to escape in i3?
[03:38] <RVanguard> Anyone can help me bind the keys?
[03:39] <Speiros> RVanguard I don't know it myself, but if you're patient, someone may be able to help you soon:)
[03:39] <RVanguard> Thank you sir, just looked dead there. No problem! Will keep trying on my end!
[03:40] <Mr1NK> b
[03:40] <Mr1NK> RVanguard : bind how ??
[03:41] <RVanguard> I simply want to remap my caps lock (since I never ever use it) to escape. I use i3, so I was thinking that'd be the best option.
[03:41] <wafflejock> RVanguard, have you checked out xbindkeys or xmodmap think one of those will do it
[03:41] <Guest9741> hey guys, I need some help, after switching  my integrated gpu for an amd radeon hd 7770 I lost audio on mpv(I'm sending the audio using the card's hdmi port) is this a known problem or is there anything I can do about it?
[03:41] <RVanguard> wafflejock -- Currently trying xmodmap --- seems to cause my i3 config file to crash or so it says..will keep trying and will report back
[03:42] <RVanguard> shortly
[03:42] <wafflejock> RVanguard, ah okay yeah just include steps you took so far if you end up stuck and can try to help from there, think I've used xbindkeys for mapping a couple of things in the past but was a few Ubuntu's ago
[03:43] <wafflejock> Guest9741, not sure but can try using pavucontrol to see your audio inputs/outputs and adjust things, or in the alsa-utils can use alsamixer to check out the lower level audio inputs/outputs available
[03:43] <RVanguard> Wafflejock: So this is what I added to my i3 config file: xmodmap -e "remove Lock = Caps_Lock"
[03:43] <RVanguard> xmodmap -e "keycode 9 = Caps_Lock NoSymbol Caps_Lock"
[03:43] <RVanguard> xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = Escape NoSymbol Escape"
[03:43] <RVanguard> xmodmap -pke > ~/.xmodmap
[03:44] <RVanguard> and then when I save and reload i3 it says there's an error in there
[03:44] <RVanguard> Wafflejock: I thought we're supposed to use bindsym to remap in i3?
[03:44] <Guest9741> wafflejock, well I think the problem is specifically is mpv as gnome-video(for example) outputs sound currently
[03:44] <lasersaber> for anyone interested, i got comedy central website video to play finally. just used a user agent switcher for google chrome. iOS iPad worked best :) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/user-agent-switcher-for-c/djflhoibgkdhkhhcedjiklpkjnoahfmg?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog
[03:45] <wafflejock> RVanguard, ah sorry not familiar with i3 I've used Gnome KDE and Unity but never i3 so can't really speak to tht
[03:45] <wafflejock> that*
[03:45] <wafflejock> Guest9741, hmm yeah pavucontrol will let you set outputs per application maybe can see what's being selected in there and try to force it to a particular output if it works for other things
[03:46] <MannyLNJ> Help please. Trying to install core fonyts using sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer  and it gives me a 404.  E: Failed to fetch https://pilotfiber.dl.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the fonts/final/comic32.exe  404  Not Found
[03:46] <wafflejock> RVanguard, did you paste the actual error here when restarting i3 I may have missed it but can try some googling with the specific error to see what's not being parsed properly or whatever
[03:47] <Guest9741> wafflejock, well I just tested something
[03:47] <Guest9741> and while mpv is open gnome-video also stops playing sounds
[03:47] <Phanes> i use i3
[03:47] <Phanes> RVanguard, pastebin the whole file
[03:48] <Guest9741> wlel, this is odd, it fixed itself
[03:49] <Phanes> RVanguard, also what version of i3 are you using
[03:50] <wafflejock> Guest9741, strange, long story short ALSA is the audio subsystem the part that talks to the audio drivers and is like the master control for the audio but then pulseaudio sits on top of that controls audio per application, sometimes I've had troubles with pulseaudio especially with regard to various bluetooth devices but pavucontrol is a gui and helps see what's going on to some degree
[03:53] <RVanguard> Phanes: 4.11 i3 version
[03:53] <RVanguard> Panes, will do on the pastebin, one moment, thank you for the help
[03:53] <RVanguard> Phanes*
[03:54] <Bashing-om> mantono: Maybe check that source ? as that space in /the fonts/ does not look right to me .
[03:55] <RVanguard> Phanes: http://pastebin.com/cJKVRENW
[03:57] <nchambers> on a default 14.04 ubuntu install, what is generally running on port 53?
[03:58] <Phanes> RVanguard, try using something like this instead, and bundle them in their own script and call it with an exec http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Map_caps_lock_to_escape_in_XWindows
[03:58] <wafflejock> nchambers, nothing
[03:58] <wafflejock> nchambers, run, sudo netstat -tunlp | grep 53
[03:58] <wafflejock> nchambers, can see what process is bound to that port
[03:58] <Phanes> 53 is dns
[03:58] <nchambers> Phanes, yep
[03:59] <nchambers> wafflejock, looks like its dnsmasq
[03:59] <nchambers> what does that do for me?
[03:59] <wafflejock> nchambers, ah don't think it's installed by default
[03:59] <wafflejock> it caches dns
[03:59] <nchambers> oh it might not be
[03:59] <wafflejock> I use it on my raspi here nice for mapping local dns entries too
[04:00] <RVanguard> Phanes, thank you
[04:00] <nchambers> hrmm
[04:00] <nchambers> besides potentially slower dns lookups, is there any disavantage to getting rid of it?
[04:01] <Phanes> nonee
[04:01] <Phanes> and you wont care about dns lookup time
[04:01] <wafflejock> nchambers, no I mean I use it so I can put new domains in the /etc/hosts on one raspberry pi on the network and the rest of my machines use that for DNS
[04:01] <Phanes> since the overhead is almost nonexistent
[04:01] <Phanes> in fact i would recommand against any kind of dns caching unless you know what youre doing
[04:01] <wafflejock> eh it takes dns lookups from 100ms down to 1ms but the browser caches them too
[04:02] <Phanes> wafflejock, yeah until youre using a site that's behind a load balancer that uses a CNAME record for its rotation point
[04:02] <nchambers> ok cool
[04:03] <wafflejock> Phanes, all I can say is I'm glad I don't have that problem ;)
[04:03] <nchambers> actually, if its not installed by default, I probably shouldn't remove it
[04:03] <nchambers> I'll just edit the /etc/hosts file
[04:03] <Phanes> *points, sorry -- if the nodes in a load-balanced cluster are found by CNAMES by the balancer you'll run into issues with dns caching when it rotates nodes out
[04:04] <nchambers> is there a way to source other files from /etc/hosts?
[04:04] <Phanes> wafflejock, until you access any site that's behind an elb or serving content on a CDN, or does any kind of distributed session storage with sticky sessions as the bind
[04:04] <Phanes> which are all still in regular practice by many large companies and their sites
[04:05] <wafflejock> Phanes, hmm strange haven't had any problems like that or at least nothing I've noticed, what would be the symptom of that? resources not loading?
[04:10] <Dgameman1> Hey guys! I'm trying to install a ubuntu server and I have 1 internal and 2 external hard drives
[04:11] <Dgameman1> The goal is to use LVM to create 1 single disk
[04:11] <Dgameman1> but when I click on guided and lvm
[04:11] <Dgameman1> I only see 1 internal, 1 external, and the usb plugged in with the ubuntu iso
[04:11] <Dgameman1> Any ideas?
[04:12] <CodeMouse92> Dgameman1: Stupid question, but are you 100% certain there is no problem with the other external?
[04:13] <Dgameman1> Yeah, it was working perfectly on the ubuntu os
[04:13] <ikonia> I'd question the concept if the externals are USB
[04:13] <CodeMouse92> (slash) it's cable (slash) the port it's plugged into
[04:13] <Dgameman1> I'm just reinstalling it cause of something
[04:13] <Dgameman1> I restarted the installation process, I'll show you what it says, 1 sec
[04:14] <Goldschlager120> Hello
[04:15] <CodeMouse92> ikonia: Elaborate? If he has external USB hard drives, those shouldn't be LVM'd into "one disk" alongside the internal?
[04:15] <ikonia> CodeMouse92: correct, if they are usb
[04:15] <Dgameman1> Whattt
[04:15] <CodeMouse92> ikonia: Makes sense.
[04:15] <Dgameman1> Then there's no way to combine them all into 1 storage?
[04:15] <ikonia> CodeMouse92: technically possible, but not the best idea
[04:15] <Dgameman1> Oh, why do you say that>
[04:16] <ikonia> Dgameman1: you technically do it, but it's not something I'd suggest you look at
[04:16] <Dgameman1> There's nothing sensitive on these files tho
[04:16] <Phanes> one usb drive array to rule them all lol.  yeah dont do that.  you will run into persistence integrity problems
[04:16] <ikonia> Dgameman1: the external disks will be slower and thus slow down the internal disk, also usb disks can cause a bus / port / socket to reset - which if you're building a mass volume group on it can cause crashing or data loss
[04:16] <Dgameman1> fak
[04:17] <Dgameman1> Okay good looking out
[04:17]  * Phanes eyeballs a bunch of NFS shares
[04:18] <CodeMouse92> Sounds a little like arc-welding a formula one racecar to two Ford Fiestas. Doesn't matter how fast the racecar can go, if one of the Fiesta dies, you ain't going nowhere.
[04:18] <ikonia> CodeMouse92: there is more to it than that, but bottom line is spot on
[04:18] <CodeMouse92> Best case scenario, you only go as fast as the Fiestas.
[04:18] <CodeMouse92> ikonia: Right, I figured that was a shameless oversimplification :P
[04:18] <ikonia> CodeMouse92: nothing wrong with keeping it simple
[04:18] <Phanes> one million fiestas have the power of a million fiestas
[04:18] <CodeMouse92> :D
[04:19] <CodeMouse92> Add an old IDE HDD to that bundle, and you've welded yourself to an AMC Gremlin
[04:21] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[04:21] <LinuxNovice> Is installing Lubuntu and Xfce DE on top of that will give the same effect as Xubuntu?
[04:22] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why are you doing this
[04:22] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: we hae spoeken specfically about this situation when you where "trying" desktops
[04:22] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, I found the solution for the problem we were discussing yesterday.
[04:22] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: thats not what I asked you
[04:23] <LinuxNovice> installing the latest version 16.10 will solve that.
[04:23] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: thats not what I asked you
[04:23] <LinuxNovice> I am going to install Lubuntu 16.10 now.
[04:23] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why
[04:23] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why areoyu installing lubuntu if you want xfce
[04:23] <LinuxNovice> I can open those pdfs in 16.10
[04:23] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you've said that - but thats not the question I'm asking you
[04:23] <LinuxNovice> and I intend to install Xfce DE also on that.
[04:24] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why are you installing lubuntu if you want xfce
[04:24] <LinuxNovice> I want a lightweight DE for my old laptop.
[04:24] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, you can install any DE package on top of any ubuntu flavor, and most will show up in your greeter as an option the next time you launch X
[04:24] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: so why are you not installing Xubuntu
[04:24] <Haruo> ? You should be able to open PDFs in Xubuntu too.
[04:24] <LinuxNovice> it can't handle Ubuntu and probably Ubuntu Mate also.
[04:25] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: focus - why are you not installing xubuntu if you want xfce
[04:25] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, so install i3-wm and be done with it
[04:25] <LinuxNovice> I'll be using Lubuntu primarily.
[04:25] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: then why arey ou installing xfce ?
[04:25] <LinuxNovice> But, want to try Xfce also and see if that suits this laptop.
[04:26] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: use a livecd as you've been told
[04:26] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[04:26] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: every time you try this multiple desktop situation you wreck your install
[04:26] <ikonia> we had this specific discussion a week or two ago after you'd damaged your install
[04:26] <Mis-anthrope> is i3wm better than openbox?
[04:26] <ikonia> and then a second time when you did it again
[04:26] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, so, this is not recommended?
[04:26] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, it's better than all the things
[04:26] <Haruo> They're totally different Mis-anthrope
[04:26] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what did we discuss the other day
[04:26] <LinuxNovice> ok. If it is going to cause problems, I won't do that.
[04:27] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you're not at a strong enough level yet, just focus on "using" your machine, rather than chasing the dream
[04:27] <LinuxNovice> anyway, I got the solution I wanted.
[04:27] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: please elaborate.. I am planning to install (for the first time) Ubuntu 16.04 on a physical machine to be used as a file server and I am still confused on whether I should go for openbox or any other WM
[04:27] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, you are right. Will stick to Lubuntu for now.
[04:27] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: really, try to keep it simple
[04:27] <ikonia> if you can't do something you want to do - ask how to do it
[04:27] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: Fluxbox is causing 16.04 to crash and I dont want to use DE
[04:27] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: rather than rush in installing things
[04:28] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, btw, is 16.10 as stable as 16.4?
[04:28] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: yes, but it has a short support cycle, which is why you where advised not to upgrade to it
[04:28] <Mis-anthrope> !touch
[04:28] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: as upgrading a distro to a with only 6 months of support left for a pdf reader was a bad idea
[04:28] <LinuxNovice> but, I can get these pdf files to open only in 16.10
[04:29] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you could get them to open in 16.04
[04:29] <Mis-anthrope> ikonia: can you share a list of commands tha ubottu accepts..
[04:29] <LinuxNovice> I am using the laptop and the OS mainly for office work and study.
[04:29] <ikonia> Mis-anthrope: just query it in a pm
[04:29] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I know this, that doesn't change anyhing
[04:29] <LinuxNovice> so, this is very much necessary to me.
[04:29] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: right, which is why running a distro that will stop being supported in 6 months was a bad idea
[04:30] <ikonia> as you where told at the time
[04:30] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, can I upgrade to the next version if I use 16.10
[04:30] <LinuxNovice> ?
[04:30] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: yes, but you will break it
[04:30] <ikonia> as you have done in the past
[04:30] <ikonia> because you install all this other stuff
[04:30] <ikonia> and don't really understand the process yet
[04:30] <LinuxNovice> "break it" means what?
[04:30] <ikonia> which is why I'm telling you to just focus on using the laptop
[04:31] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, then i would definitely recommend i3.  ratpoison or awesomeWM might suit too, ratpoison initial setup will be more involved than you may like
[04:31] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: break it as in "it will go wrong and you'll be asking how to recover your important work as your laptop no longer boots after you tried an upgrade"
[04:32] <LinuxNovice> ok. I have Lubuntu 16.04 installed. I'll install 16.10 or Xubuntu 16.10 alongside it.
[04:32] <ikonia> why ????
[04:32] <zergut> G'day, how to ask S.M.A.R.T. if my HDD is okay?
[04:32] <ikonia> you can't manage a single install, why are you constantly trying to make your system unmanageable for you
[04:32] <LinuxNovice> need some features in 16.10
[04:32] <zergut> with preinstalled soft
[04:32] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: such as
[04:32] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: what stuff do I need with i3. Like with openbox, I used nitrogen, tilda, int2, compton et al.. any add ons for i3 suggested?
[04:32] <LinuxNovice> which I can't get in 16.04
[04:32] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what features do you need form 16.10
[04:32] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: such as
[04:32] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, the man command
[04:33] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what features in 16.10 do you need that you can't get in 16.04
[04:33] <LinuxNovice> I can't open those pdfs in 16.04.
[04:33] <VA6DAH> Something I may suggest is using a VM for experimentation.   Maybe LinuxNovice can install 16.10 and ask for further support six months later.
[04:34] <Phanes> VA6DAH, the clue in your antibodies eventually forms a tough outer membrane to the parts of the non-clue that create those situations
[04:34] <Sean_McG> zergut: I think there is a tool called smartctl, part of smartmon
[04:35] <zergut> Sean_McG: is it preinstalled?
[04:35] <Sean_McG> not sure
[04:35] <VA6DAH> Lol, I have learned all I have by royally fucking up installs. However I do not recommend others to go through the same torture. It takes a certain aptitude as well to figure out where and how you screw up.
[04:36] <ikonia> VA6DAH: please don't swear
[04:36] <cfhowlett> VA6DAH, language please
[04:36] <Sean_McG> its not on my 16.04 box
[04:36] <Phanes> VA6DAH, if i can do it, anyone can.
[04:36] <Haruo> It took me over twenty installs though...
[04:37] <Phanes> oh lord that was the first month for me
[04:37] <Phanes> i broke system, after system, after system, after system for like 2 straight years doing stupid stuff
[04:37] <ikonia> maybe take the tails of war stories and learning approaches to an offtopic or private place please
[04:37] <VA6DAH> Sorry. I will refrain from using expletives in the future.
[04:38] <ikonia> VA6DAH: zero problem
[04:38] <Phanes> ikonia, tales*
[04:39] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[04:39] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, are you still there?
[04:39] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: yes
[04:39] <LinuxNovice> connection was lost.
[04:39] <ikonia> I saw
[04:39] <LinuxNovice> I don't mind upgrading to the new version if that is necessary.
[04:40] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I'm sure you don't mind
[04:40] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: the problem is - it won't work for you more than likley
[04:40] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: and you spend a lot of time telling us how important your laptop is
[04:40] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: which means you'll end up being at risk of losing your work
[04:40] <LinuxNovice> I tried with all the pdf readers in 16.04. I couldn't open the files. But, am able to in  16.10.
[04:40] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: yes, you've said that
[04:41] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: and I've told you it does work in 16.04 and tested it for you with your specific PDF
[04:41] <nchambers> is there a way to set what DNS server to use no matter where I am?
[04:41] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, then, what is the solution?
[04:41] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: in my opinion the solution is EXACTLY the same as I told you 2 times on previous days, use 16.04 - its has a long term life cycle and you can depend on it for a few years while you learn to use linux safely
[04:42] <LinuxNovice> how did you open that?
[04:42] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[04:42] <LinuxNovice> but, how could you open those files offline.
[04:42] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: it was trying to open it in edit mode by default, which was the password protected prompt you got
[04:42] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I told you on the same day
[04:42] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: this is what I mean about you not listening, I spent 30 minutes work it out with you, for you
[04:42] <ikonia> I advised you not to move to 16.10
[04:43] <LinuxNovice> no. I'm still in 16.04
[04:43] <ikonia> you ignored it, moved to 16.10 and now are still saying it doens't work with 16.04 - when I proved to you at the time it works with 16.04
[04:43] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: then how did you test it on 16.10
[04:43] <LinuxNovice> someone here suggested that I install 16.10 and all such problems will be solved.
[04:43] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: yes and you where told that was not the case
[04:43] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: have you tested it ?
[04:43] <LinuxNovice> I created a live usb of Lubuntu 16.10
[04:44] <ikonia> ok, so you tested it on a live media, thats not too bad
[04:44] <LinuxNovice> yes. I could open those files in 16.10 and they didn't ask for any password.
[04:44] <LinuxNovice> now, I'm using 16.04
[04:45] <LinuxNovice> and I don't intend to upgrade it to 16.10
[04:45] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: bottom line, you're going to do what you want anyway
[04:45] <LinuxNovice> Most probably I'll install 16.10 in dual boot setup.
[04:45] <ikonia> as we've had this dicussion 4 times at least and each time you come back wanting to do the same thing / with the same problem
[04:45] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you can't manage a single boot
[04:45] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why would you make it a dual boot
[04:46] <LinuxNovice> I have tried dual boot before.
[04:46] <ikonia> that wasn't my question
[04:46] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: actually - do what you want
[04:46] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I'm not going to discuss this futher with you
[04:46] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, then, please suggest a solution for this specific problem.
[04:46] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I've already told yout he solution multiples times a few days ago, and at least 2 times just now
[04:46] <LinuxNovice> you are right. It is better to stick to 16.04
[04:46] <Haruo> Sorry from the sidelines.
[04:47] <LinuxNovice> ok. let me try that solution now.
[04:47] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I'm afraid I'm no longer going to help you
[04:47] <Phanes> let him keep trying.  that's how some people learn a system.
[04:47] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I feel it's a waste of time
[04:47] <LinuxNovice> I considered 16.10, because somebody here suggested that yesterday.
[04:47] <LinuxNovice> It was not my idea, anyway.
[04:48] <LinuxNovice> I am comfortable with 16.04 and I am least interested in this distro hopping.
[04:48] <LinuxNovice> just want to get my work done.
[04:48] <Haruo> Have you considered using chromium as a PDF reader?
[04:49] <LinuxNovice> Haruo, I want to be able to read those pdfs offline.
[04:49] <CodeMouse92> LinuxNovice: You can actually open files with Chromium without being online
[04:49] <ikonia> CodeMouse92: he won't use a browser
[04:49] <LinuxNovice> ok. how?
[04:50] <ikonia> this was explained already
[04:50] <Phanes> just install xpdf
[04:50] <Phanes> lawd
[04:50] <LinuxNovice> I have that installed too.
[04:50] <Phanes> so use that
[04:51] <Haruo> Drag-dropping into chrome should open it.
[04:51] <Haruo> Sorry if I'm wrong.
[04:51] <ikonia> file -> open
[04:51] <LinuxNovice> ok. Let me download the files again and try.
[04:51] <Haruo> Oh. Yes.
[04:55] <LinuxNovice> Not able to open them in Xpdf.
[04:57] <VA6DAH> LinuxNovice, I usually use chrome as another suggested. Very simple pdf viewer, but if thats all you need then thats my recommendation as well.
[05:03] <LinuxNovice> hello..
[05:03] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, are you still there?
[05:04] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: yes
[05:06] <LinuxNovice> guys, thanks a lot. I can open those files in chromium. Offline.
[05:08] <LinuxNovice> however, none of the pdf readers can open those files. I can open them in 16.10, though.
[05:11] <LinuxNovice> will continue with 16.04.
[05:11] <Phanes> if xpdf can't open them then they are likely not valid pdf's
[05:11] <Phanes> or they are not being opened correctly (grimace)
[05:12] <Phanes> oh it could be version incompatibility between gen and read
[05:12] <Phanes> doubtful
[05:14] <LinuxNovice> but, I don't have such problems in 16.
[05:14] <LinuxNovice> in 16.10
[05:15] <ikonia> I've told you why
[05:15] <LinuxNovice> as I mentioned earlier.
[05:16] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll have to use chromium for those files, for now.
[05:17] <ikonia> or fix the problem
[05:19] <LinuxNovice> I have those files downloaded. I click on them and they still ask for password.
[05:19] <ikonia> yes, I told you why
[05:20] <LinuxNovice> or I right click, select open with and select any of the pdf readers and the result is the same.
[05:20] <ikonia> yes, I told you why
[05:21] <Phanes> what is this
[05:21] <likui> hello
[05:21] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, really sorry about that, man.  So your PDFs are password-protected?  Is that the deal?
[05:22] <likui> yeah
[05:22] <LinuxNovice> Phanes. they are not password protected. I can open them on Windows, my android tablet and in the newer version of Ubuntu 16.10
[05:23] <LinuxNovice> but, in 16.04 they ask for password.
[05:23] <LinuxNovice> tried all the pdf readers. Not able to open them offline.
[05:23] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, are you able to share one of these pdfs
[05:24] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[05:25] <LinuxNovice> I did that yesterday. Let me provide you the link, again.
[05:25] <LinuxNovice> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/35534bos25026ipages1.pdf
[05:25] <LinuxNovice> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/35523bos25026cp1.pdf
[05:25] <Phanes> so what happens when you doubleclick on one of those links
[05:26] <LinuxNovice> they keep asking for password, when offline.
[05:26] <LinuxNovice> when I try to open them with a pdf reader.
[05:26] <Phanes> no
[05:26] <Phanes> not what i asked
[05:26] <Phanes> doubleclick a link
[05:27] <LinuxNovice> please download the files offline and try opening them.
[05:27] <levaz> 	hi 😊
[05:27] <LinuxNovice> Not online.
[05:27] <likui> I can't open baidu,why
[05:27] <Phanes> you are no longer following instructions.  that's the demarc for support.
[05:27] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, what?
[05:29] <williangliao> likui: try google or other site.
[05:29] <LinuxNovice> when I double click, I have two options save file or open with - document viewer (default)
[05:29] <likui> I hava a trt
[05:31] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, are you there?
[05:31] <Phanes> ah haaa
[05:31] <Phanes> yeah im here
[05:31] <Phanes> go figure, this is interesting
[05:32] <LinuxNovice> did you get the problem?
[05:32] <Phanes> yeah i see it
[05:32] <Phanes> one second
[05:32] <Phanes> genchi genbutsu is pivotal for troubleshooting
[05:32] <Phanes> http://dpaste.com/21E6RMP
[05:35] <LinuxNovice_> Phanes, any solutions?
[05:36] <Phanes> it's encrypted
[05:36] <Phanes> likely with a blank password
[05:36] <LinuxNovice_> no. It is not encrypted.
[05:36] <LinuxNovice> I can open it on Windows and my android tablet.
[05:37] <LinuxNovice> and on 16.10
[05:37] <LinuxNovice> without any password.
[05:38] <mozammel> terminal not starting on ubuntu 16.10, is there any solution ? its happened after I try to open unity8 desktop and come back to default unity. now if I open xterm and try ''terminal'' its openup the unity8 terminal.. looking for help
[05:41] <minimalcrap> hmm
[05:44] <Phanes> looks like a bug regression
[05:45] <Phanes> no
[05:45] <Phanes> its the pdf
[05:45] <Phanes> for sure
[05:45] <Phanes> i just fixed it by decrypting it
[05:46] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, sudo apt-get install qpdf
[05:46] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, then qpdf --password="" yourencrypted.pdf output1.pdf && xpdf output1.pdf
[05:46] <Phanes> i was able to test the workaround here
[05:47] <Phanes> woops that's `qpdf --password="" --decrypt output1.pdf`
[05:47] <Phanes> xpdf really should be handling that though
[05:49]  * Phanes shrugs
[05:51] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, see?  It works.
[05:54] <Sean_McG> sleeptime
[05:54] <quazimodo> how do I get lightdm to forward my password to ssh-agent and register all my keys upon log in/
[05:56] <ArKaNeL> Salutations, j'ai un petit soucis avec add-apt-repository, malgrès les paquets software-properties-common et python, la commande est introuvable, une idée ?
[05:56] <cfhowlett> !fr | ArKaNeL
[05:57] <ArKaNeL> Hello, i have an issue with add-apt-respository, i setup software-properties-common and python, command is not to be found, any idea ?
[05:58] <Phanes> ArKaNeL, can you show in the terminal what the issue is
[06:00] <ArKaNeL> Command add-apt-respository not found, did you mean ? The command add-apt-respository from software-properties-common ?
[06:00] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: where is the log for i3-wm?
[06:00] <Phanes> ArKaNeL, pastebin please
[06:00] <icedwater> mozammel: pity, your terminal issue seems pretty similar to mine.
[06:01] <ArKaNeL> i'll switch language then
[06:01] <icedwater> ArKaNeL: no luck in ubuntu-fr eh?
[06:02] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, sorry. I was away from my computer, for a while.
[06:02] <LinuxNovice> I can't make it open with any pdf reader.
[06:02] <ArKaNeL> didn't try,i'll dig, and pastbin in english in case
[06:02] <LinuxNovice> I have all the readers installed.
[06:03]  * icedwater nods
[06:03] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, correct, the instructions provided were `sudo apt-get install qpdf` then `qpdf --password="" --decrypt <yourPDF.pdf> <yourPDF_unencrypted.pdf> && xpdf <yourPDF_unencrypted.pdrf>`
[06:04] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, what is the solution, then?
[06:04] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, on that note, I have 1) reproduced your issue on my system.  2) found and tested the solution.  3) provided the exact commands to you for you to do the same.  You have been helped.
[06:05] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, the above are commands?
[06:05] <Phanes> install qpdf.  run `qpdf --password="" --decrypt oldfile.pdf newfile.pdf` and then `xpdf newfile.pdf`.
[06:05] <Phanes> yes in your terminal
[06:05] <LinuxNovice> ok. let me try this.
[06:05] <icedwater> I wonder if it's possible to log cases here on some kind of wiki/pastebin for perpetuity.
[06:06] <Mis-anthrope> I just installed lightdm and now none of my wm work with it.. The screen just flickers whenever I log in and then ldm login window appears again
[06:06] <minimalcrap> now that's classic
[06:06] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, https://i3wm.org/docs/debugging.html
[06:06] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, but just strace it
[06:07] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: ok this is weird.. the guest account is working fine but my main account is behaving that way
[06:07] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: like in guest, openbox with lightdm works fine
[06:07] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: I think the last time I had something like that, it was an XOrg issue... something about an authority file.
[06:07] <Phanes> ew dont touch that
[06:08] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: should I install some other dm?
[06:08] <Mis-anthrope> like kdm?
[06:08] <Phanes> no
[06:08] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, output of `ls -lart ~/`
[06:08] <icedwater> I think it was just changing the permissions to be honest
[06:09] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: I think so too.. but permission on what file???
[06:09] <icedwater> .Xauthority, but check the `ls -lart ~` as Phanes suggests first
[06:12] <Phanes> im off to bed
[06:12] <Phanes> o/
[06:12] <Mis-anthrope> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23737666/
[06:13] <Mis-anthrope> wow.. not my xorg is not working at all!!!
[06:13] <icedwater> l
[06:13] <icedwater> Oops
[06:13] <Phanes> why is your home directory owned by root:root and devil:devil and devil:root
[06:14] <Phanes> you're not logging into X as root are you?
[06:14] <Mis-anthrope> I am
[06:14] <Mis-anthrope> why?
[06:14] <Phanes> nope
[06:14] <Phanes> stop
[06:14] <Phanes> dont do that anymore
[06:14] <Mis-anthrope> isnt that the only way to startx
[06:14] <Phanes> problem resolved.
[06:14] <Mis-anthrope> sudo startx.. thats what I use
[06:14] <GroundZero1> helo
[06:14] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: no don't
[06:14] <icedwater> Isn't that handled for you by lightdm, though
[06:15] <Phanes> no use target states for systemd
[06:15] <Phanes> yeah something is off here
[06:15] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, `uname -a` please
[06:16] <Phanes> wait why are you getting a greeter from startx
[06:17] <Phanes> this is a troll, right?
[06:17] <Mis-anthrope> I removed lightdm
[06:17] <Mis-anthrope> and now everything is fine
[06:17] <Ben64> unlikely
[06:17] <Phanes> are you logged in as root right now?
[06:20] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, I don't know how to use the commands you gave.
[06:20] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, then that's your next mountain to climb
[06:21] <Phanes> you'll need to pull up a terminal and type them in
[06:21] <LinuxNovice> yes. I have the terminal open.
[06:21] <Phanes> so pastebin your attempt
[06:21] <Phanes> let's see what youre doing
[06:22] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, copy and paste from when you tried in the terminal to here: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <LinuxNovice> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23737693/
[06:24] <Phanes> 1) that's not your terminal session 2) that's not the command i gave you
[06:25] <Mis-anthrope> can I add ownership in fstab?
[06:25] <Phanes> `qpdf --password="" --decrypt 35564bos25030ipages.pdf 35564bos25030ipages_new.pdf`
[06:25] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, then: `xpdf 35564bos25030ipages_new.pdf`
[06:25] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, you can add usermasks in some situations
[06:26] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: "why is your home directory owned by root:root and devil:devil and devil:root" please elaborate :)
[06:26] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, that was before i knew you were running X as root
[06:26] <LinuxNovice> Phanes, got it.
[06:26] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, working?
[06:26] <LinuxNovice> Really very thankful to you.
[06:26] <LinuxNovice> yes. It is working.
[06:27] <Phanes> LinuxNovice, no worries, but man, you gotta look at those details.  The command line is verbose.  It doesn't care what you thought you mean.
[06:27] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: well you said the problem was resolved.. how? I wanna use lightdm but now, seeing how it crapped my Xorg..   I actually do not believe you're running Ubuntu.
[06:28] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: I am a noob
[06:28] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: how should I run startx
[06:28] <Ben64> more of a reason to not do any of that
[06:28] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, i would suggest reinstalling if that's what's going on
[06:29] <Phanes> Mis-anthrope, the target state that launches X is the default one after installation.  you've modified your system in ways I can't guess at.
[06:30] <Phanes> and are definitely not supported here
[06:30] <Phanes> you may want to check with the general ##linux chat if you don't want to reinstall
[06:35] <riottest2[m]> hi
[06:37] <icedwater> riottest2[m]: hello!
[06:37] <icedwater> How are you connecting with Riot?
[06:38] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: how am I supposed to startx without a dm?
[06:38] <riottest2[m]> icedwater: with a great deal of lag, apparently.
[06:38] <Mis-anthrope> I have to do sudo startx otherwise I get the error timeput in locking file .Xauthority
[06:39] <Phanes> yeah, im not messing with that system.  you should consider reinstalling, and then creating a user to log in as.
[06:39] <icedwater> riottest2[m]: at all is OK. I'm at work, so the lag isn't necessarily network-caused :p
[06:40] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: just wondering, why did you remove lightdm?
[06:41] <Mis-anthrope> because lightdm crashed my xorg everytime I started it.. AS ROOT
[06:41] <Mis-anthrope> how am I supposed to start lightdm without sudo???
[06:41] <Mis-anthrope> or start x without sudo?
[06:41] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: you never use startx
[06:42] <Mis-anthrope> ok then using lightdm, my xorg crashes!!!
[06:42] <hateball> iirc Mis-anthrope is using Ubuntu server with tacked on X, yes?
[06:42] <Ben64> how do you use lightdm
[06:42] <icedwater> I'm not sure, it is handled automatically by whatever systemctl is doing on my end.
[06:42] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: after boot, it starts up automatically.. then I select my WM and enter my pasword and BOOM! crash!
[06:43] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: that directory you pastebinned, is it /home/devil?
[06:43] <Mis-anthrope> yes
[06:44] <Mis-anthrope> ls -lart ~/
[06:44] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: does this return anything? find ~/ \! -user $USER -print
[06:45] <icedwater> It's peculiar because as Phanes pointed out, that shouldn't be pretty much owned by root:root. There was a point you ran chown -R on it, I suppose?
[06:45] <Phanes> let's move this over to #ubuntu-server
[06:47] <Phanes> that said, time for bed lol
[06:48] <Mis-anthrope> Phanes: night night :)
[06:49] <FizzyCoffee> Nighty 🌙.
[06:49] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: ok I have installed lightdm again.. restarted my system
[06:49] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: now I have the tell tale lightdm screen with my username on it
[06:49] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: everytime I enter the password after selecting openbox, the screen flickers and I get the log in screen again
[06:50] <Phanes> what does Xorg.0.log say after this happens
[06:50]  * Phanes dies
[06:50] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: everything works fine for the Guest account
[06:50] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: you also didnt answer his question (run find)
[06:50] <Mis-anthrope> ok
[06:50] <hateball> what you describe tends to happen if ~/.Xauthority is owned by root and not you
[06:50] <Ben64> which happens with careless use of sudo
[06:51] <hateball> ^
[06:51] <Phanes> or
[06:51] <Mis-anthrope> find doesnt resturn anything
[06:51] <Phanes> logging into X as root
[06:51] <Phanes> where you get root terminals springing out of your eyeballs
[06:51] <Mis-anthrope> so you want me to chown Xauthority?
[06:51] <Ben64> are you running the command as your user
[06:51] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: yes
[06:52] <Ben64> ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[06:52]  * Phanes paints rainbows of root terminal emulators growing from trees, and out of electrical sockets, and off farm animals, and keyboards, and cheese wheels
[06:54] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: its owned by root
[06:54] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: group is also root
[06:54] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: do you want me to chown to my user?
[06:54] <hateball> You need to do that, yes
[06:55] <Ben64> if it's owned by root then you didn't do the find command properly
[06:55] <Mis-anthrope> done
[06:55] <icedwater> Phanes: I thought you went to sleep a while ago :P
[06:55] <Phanes> i did
[06:55] <Ben64> i can't continue this if i can't trust you're running the commands
[06:55] <Phanes> im asleep right now
[06:55] <Phanes> this is cat
[06:55] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: I am running the commands
[06:56] <Ben64> if it wasn't owned by your user, it would have shown from the find command
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: now I have chown'ed .Xauthorty  to my user
[06:56] <Ben64> so you're lying about something
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> now can I run lightdm?
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> -.-
[06:56]  * Mis-anthrope bangs her head against a wall
[06:56] <Phanes> ls -lart /~
[06:56]  * Mis-anthrope bangs it some more
[06:56] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: did it work?
[06:56] <Mis-anthrope> yes
[06:57] <Mis-anthrope> ot worked
[06:57] <Mis-anthrope> it*
[06:57]  * Mis-anthrope is an honest human being
[06:57]  * Mis-anthrope is evil but honest
[06:57] <Ben64> listen, the command i asked you to run, "find ~/ \! -user $USER -print" when run as your user, will print all files in the user's home not owned by the user. since you said it didn't return anything, that means everything would be owned by your user. yet you said .Xauthority was owned by root, so one of those assertions is false
[06:58] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: I think I see your point
[06:58] <hateball> So that means you ran find using sudo then?
[06:58] <Phanes> it means she is logged in as root
[06:58] <hateball> :|
[06:58] <Phanes> lol
[06:58] <Mis-anthrope> dont lol it
[06:58] <Mis-anthrope> -.-
[06:58] <FizzyCoffee> :P
[06:59] <Mis-anthrope> lets forget mme
[06:59] <Mis-anthrope> me*
[06:59]  * Mis-anthrope puts a brown paper bag on her face
[07:05] <Krystione9>  The Outrageous Racist Hypocrisy of Israel and World Zionism (258,898 views) https://youtu.be/-TvSiYu8z2M
[07:10] <mozammel> cant open terminal on ubuntu 16.10, if I try to open it from xterm I get this error '' $gnome-terminal
[07:11] <mozammel> error constructing proxy for org.gnome.terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached.
[07:14] <Mis-anthrope> Now nothing is working in openbox for my user.. I cant open terminal or set menu or open nautius...
[07:15] <Mis-anthrope> But everything is working for guest account..
[07:19] <Mis-anthrope> anyone?
[07:22] <hateball> Mis-anthrope: Back up any important data and restore your system is my advice
[07:22] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: its a VM
[07:22] <hateball> Not really easy to help when you've been running as root doing who knows what
[07:23] <Mis-anthrope> hateball: I am not running as root.. I sudo whenever its required
[07:23] <Ben64> you told us you were logging into gui as root
[07:24] <Mis-anthrope> because I was using startx!!
[07:24] <Mis-anthrope> the only way to run startx from a virtual terminal is with SUDO STARTX
[07:24] <Ben64> but that's still wrong
[07:27] <Kali_Yuga> how do i get java jre in ubuntu 14.04? i do not want to add repository...
[07:27] <Ben64> Kali_Yuga: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[07:28] <Kali_Yuga> Ben64: sorry I needed JRE 8 not 7
[07:28] <Ben64> then you can't
[07:28] <Kali_Yuga> need*
[07:28] <Kali_Yuga> why where is 8?
[07:28] <Ben64> not in 14.04
[07:29] <Kali_Yuga> should I add the repo then?
[07:29] <Kali_Yuga> for JRE 8
[07:29] <Ben64> do what you want i guess
[07:29] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: terminal and web browser are working fine in openbox for guest user.. just not for my main user
[07:30] <Kali_Yuga> why is it not in 14.04 it is still an supported OS
[07:31] <Mis-anthrope> meh..  All you can do is censor and try to contain the truth, but you can't win. The truth has booted this crime syndicate from over 100 nations over 100 times. And it will do that again on a global scale.
[07:39] <yellow> <--- sits waiting to drop a truth bomb.
[07:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> tinfoil_hat, Rupert Murdoch is watching you via your Sky Broadband connection :d
[07:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[07:46] <Speiros> HI
[07:53] <Speiros> Why would I be booted off over and over?
[07:54] <ubuntu233> hello all
[07:54] <Tufish> This video exposes how Israel and World Zionism is a hypocritical tribal, racist entity that not only oppresses the Palestinians, but seeks control of the whole world. (258,898 views, 90% likes) https://youtu.be/-TvSiYu8z2M
[07:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Speiros, when?
[07:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ubuntu233, hi
[07:55] <tyriondwarf> Hello, serious question, are there any security risks with this method of allowing permissions on my Web server https://dpaste.de/wsBK
[07:56] <Speiros> Since 18:42 on my side, I've been disconnected 5 times, it is now 18:55
[07:56] <Speiros> Sorry, six times
[07:56] <Speiros> I can't even register my name.
[07:56] <tyriondwarf> Speiros: get an IRC client on your computer
[07:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Speiros, wireless?
[07:56] <Speiros> I have one.  Yes, wireless.
[07:56] <hateball> Speiros: because maintenance is being done, check in #freenode
[07:56] <Speiros> ah, okay.
[07:56] <Speiros> Thanks.
[07:57] <hateball> At least it was announced some hours ago
[07:57] <Speiros> Yeah, fair enough.  I thought it was because of discussing religion on a religious page.
[07:57] <hateball> Which is not Ubuntu related either
[07:58] <Speiros> No, but at ##religion, it is religious related:)
[07:58] <Speiros> Or it better be.
[07:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> tyriondwarf, yes maybe, too much acess can be a bad thing for a server, more so if its for the outside world
[07:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> tyriondwarf, so you should know what changing each permission would do
[08:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> speiros hateball you could start a Ubuntu bible and then even that may be :d
[08:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> speiros hateball I think their might be a program in repes or phone tablet apppstore actually
[08:03] <sruli> i want to run a script each time after packages get upgraded i added a hook "DPkg::Post-Invoke-Success" but that executes the script after each package, what hook can i use to only execute after upgrade finished?
[08:07] <ubuntu233> thank u
[08:09] <ni291187> narcos
[08:12] <ducasse> sruli: check if there is a similar hook for apt instead of dpkg
[08:13] <sruli> ducasse: cant find in man page, where can i look?
[08:15] <icedwater> Anyone know how to check which locale dbus/systemd passes to gnome-terminal et al?
[08:16] <ducasse> sruli: it would most likely be in the apt.conf man page
[08:20] <sruli> ducasse: i read that hole page inc /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz cant find a solution, i found online hook for APT::Update::... but there isnt for APT::Upgrade and i found that the hook for apt::update only works when called from command line not from gui (maybe because you need sudo to exec script) but still that wouldnt run post upgrade
[08:22] <ducasse> sruli: then i have no idea. create a wrapper script?
[08:22] <sruli> ducasse: dont know how
[08:29] <mintisan> hello
[08:29] <icedwater> mintisan: hello :)
[08:43] <home_> webturtle
[08:43] <oniichan> ada yang tau grub irc indonesia
[08:43] <icedwater> oniichan: I'm sorry that ubuntu-id is a little slow, but you should use English here, please.
[08:43] <ducasse> sruli: the basic idea is to move the apt-get binary and put a script in its place. the script checks what options it was called with, and calls the original binary with those options, adding whatever actions you want.
[08:44] <oniichan> icedwater : i am sorry sir
[08:44] <FizzyCoffee> oni
[08:45] <FizzyCoffee> Whoops
[08:46] <metaresolve> hey guys, I'm following this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/how-to-set-up-a-safe-and-secure-web-server/3/ and i'm stuck
[08:46] <metaresolve> 1. I can't "find" the nginx.conf file that it wants me to modify
[08:47] <icedwater> metaresolve: where have you been looking?
[08:47] <icedwater> bid
[08:47] <icedwater> Oops
[08:47] <metaresolve> hold on
[08:47] <metaresolve> I found it. i was looking in the ftp.
[08:48] <metaresolve> ok, so, I need to open and edit i. is that a vim thing?
[08:48] <icedwater> metaresolve: that is one of the editors you can use, yes.
[08:48] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[08:48] <metaresolve> icedwater: how would you recommend a very new person to ubuntu edit the nginx.conf file?
[08:49] <Cust0sLimen> does ubuntu do something like rpmnew ?
[08:49] <icedwater> vim is a little complex to start with, but I like it. nano might be easier? Or gedit?
[08:49] <metaresolve> nano. that sounds good.
[08:49] <icedwater> !rpmnew
[08:49] <metaresolve> so that's a native ubuntu thing?
[08:50] <icedwater> metaresolve: you could say that, I guess.
[08:50] <Zen> Its a default package
[08:50] <metaresolve> zen: ah, that's what i was trying to say
[08:51] <Zen> :) if you need some help: man nano
[08:51] <metaresolve> you know, the man pages don't help me that much. they make too many assumptions about my knowledge
[08:52] <metaresolve> i'm not informed enough to use man pages. i google and get the english instructions :)
[08:52] <icedwater> They're meant to be that detailed for those who need it.
[08:52] <FizzyCoffee> Well, Nano has the shortcuts on the bottom. That should be enough.
[08:52] <DevAntoine> hi
[08:52] <metaresolve> well, i find a nice little beginner's guide to nano. i shall try that out.
[08:53] <Zen> metaresolve: for the most part, nano's manpage is pretty good for beginners
[08:53] <metaresolve> zen: good call.
[08:53] <DevAntoine> I've got an issue with my keyboard layout under xubuntu. Every key works fine except the "+" key on the numerical side.
[08:53] <Zen> I understand some are not so great though
[08:53] <metaresolve> ok, so should i deflect right now from building my web server and go into nano tutorial?
[08:53] <DevAntoine> keyboard model is set to Generic 105-key (Intl) PC
[08:54] <icedwater> You could if you wanted. If you prefer and you have graphics on, gedit is closer to notepad :)
[08:54] <metaresolve> no, i want to learn with no graphics
[08:54] <Zen> metaresolve: if you want, should only take 10 minutes to master most of it, nano isn't meant to be super complex with lots of features, unlike other editors (e.g. vim and emacs)
[08:54] <Cust0sLimen> if I use confold and confdef with dpkg (via apt) what will happen to new config file ?
[08:58] <sruli> ducasse: i found this wrapper http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/70686/how-to-run-a-command-after-apt-get-upgrade but dont see how i can tell it to only execute before or after upgrade
[08:58] <sruli> ducasse: second answer in that page ^
[08:59] <cesdo> Hey guys
[08:59] <cesdo> Where does Pidgin save history?
[09:00] <sruli> cesdo: in /home$USER/.purple/ .. all config files and logs
[09:03] <cesdo> sruli: thanks!
[09:07] <sruli> is it possible to mount bind a single file over another (file not dir)?
[09:09] <metaresolve> I'm tryin gto figure out why the find command isn't working. I was pretending i didn't know where the nginx.conf file was and trying to run find nginx.conf. can you help me understand why it didn't work?
[09:10] <metaresolve> i was signed in as root in /root
[09:11] <hateball> !details | metaresolve
[09:11] <Mr1NK> !help
[09:11] <metaresolve> hateball: i think i might know. i'm going to try something else for now
[09:11] <metaresolve> ty
[09:11] <Mr1NK> guys, how long time for update linux kernel
[09:12] <geirha> sruli: no, only directories
[09:15] <sruli> geirha: from the man page it seems it is possible, "One can also remount a single file (on a single file)."
[09:17] <geirha> sruli: oh, looks like you're right. Sorry
[09:17] <sruli> geirha: just tested, works, amazing stuff
[09:20] <egsome> Is upgrading to 16.10 worth it ? anybody got issues after upgrade ? I'm currently on 16.04.
[09:21] <sruli> egsome: 16.10 in not a LTS
[09:21] <egsome> sruli, That's why I'm asking, is there something else worth upgrading ?
[09:22] <egsome> sruli, I mean, important changes.
[09:22] <tyriondwarf> no do not upgrade
[09:22] <tyriondwarf> 16 is the best
[09:23] <tyriondwarf> .04
[09:23] <sruli> egsome: i dont know, i only use LTS versions, non lts run out off support to fast for me
[09:23] <tyriondwarf> yes
[09:23] <egsome> tyriondwarf, Why ?
[09:23] <tyriondwarf> ^^
[09:23] <egsome> sruli, Me too, but was asking as maybe got some important changes, but seems not.
[09:25] <sruli> egsome: important changes are added to all version while supported, i only upgraded to 16.04 last week and would have stayed on 14.04 for another year if i hadnet changed graphics card which wasnt supported in 14.04
[09:25] <egsome> sruli, I see.
[09:26] <icedwater> metaresolve: did you find out what was wrong with find / as root?
[09:27] <metaresolve> oh no, my pomodoro ended so i got up and then got distracted by nano
[09:27] <metaresolve> i think it's because i'm not in the right directory
[09:27] <metaresolve> i was in /root and it's in like /usr/bin or something
[09:27] <metaresolve> does the find just do the directories in the current, or does it do the whole drive?
[09:28] <sruli> metaresolve: what is your find command?
[09:28] <metaresolve> find
[09:28] <icedwater> The arguments, I think we mean :)
[09:29] <sruli> lol
[09:29] <metaresolve> how embarrasing
[09:29] <metaresolve> it was find nginx.conf
[09:30] <sruli> metaresolve: you want to look for it in the entire filesystem?
[09:30] <metaresolve> sruli: Sure. How do I do both ways? (i'm a new)
[09:31] <sruli> metaresolve: what do you mean both ways?
[09:31] <metaresolve> sruli: actually, i'm working on something else right now. i'll come back to this problem after i've figured nano out
[09:31] <metaresolve> then i'll be looking for that file again to open it
[09:32] <hateball> If you're not sure how to operate find, perhaps being logged in interactively as root is not the wisest move for the health of your system
[09:32] <hateball> Just.. a bit of advice
[09:33] <sruli> metaresolve: "sudo find / -type f -name 'nginx.conf'" that will look foe it in the entire filesystem, warning: might take a long time and you will get many errors for dirs it could not access. best is to replace the "/" with "/etc" if you dont find it there replace with "/usr" etc..
[09:37] <metaresolve> hateball: duly noted.
[09:37] <whallz> how can i restore default video driver?
[09:43] <Mis-anthrope> anyone alive?
[09:44] <metaresolve> ah ha! i opened the nginx.conf file in nano. i'm very proud of myself.
[09:44] <Mis-anthrope> metaresolve: congos
[09:44] <RTuts> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) • CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55 (1.80GHz) • Memory: 2.9 GiB Total (752.1 MiB Free) • Storage: 195.9 GiB / 223.6 GiB (27.7 GiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M • Uptime: 5d 16h 16m 6s
[09:45] <Mis-anthrope> I just did a fresh install of 16.04 server with openbox and lightdm.. and now, whenever I log in(using lightdm), my screen flickers before reverting back to the log in screen
[09:47] <williangliao> Mis-anthrope: just install xfce4 or kde or gnome..
[09:47] <williangliao> :-D
[09:47] <Mis-anthrope> williangliao: its a server.. I dont want a DE
[09:47] <Mis-anthrope> :(
[09:48] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: I'm here.
[09:48] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: phew
[09:48] <bill> hi
[09:49] <Guest62151> How to Install .Snap Packages offline in ubuntu?
[09:49] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: could you not just ignore the graphical bits that were already installed?
[09:49] <williangliao> Mis-anthrope: just remove lightdm
[09:50] <icedwater> williangliao: this is why we needed to do a fresh install in the first place :P
[09:50] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: why did you install a second DE to ignore if you didn't want one?
[09:50] <Mis-anthrope> I wanna cry so bad
[09:50] <Guest62151> i downloaded some .snap packages of ubuntu store.
[09:50] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: I didnt have any GUI
[09:50] <icedwater> Go on..
[09:50] <icedwater> Were you not able to log on to the system without the GUI?
[09:51] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: yes
[09:51] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: and before installing lightdm, my openbox worked fine
[09:51] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: I did a sudo startx (once) to see if I installed openbox properly and it worked
[09:51] <Guest62151> ?
[09:52] <Mis-anthrope> should I try some other DM?
[09:52] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: so you did the same mistake as before?
[09:52] <hateball> ....
[09:52] <Ben64> if you want a gui, why not install ubuntu
[09:52] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: Arrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggg
[09:52] <Ben64> i don't get you
[09:52] <Mis-anthrope> omg
[09:52] <Ben64> don't install server if you want a gui
[09:52] <Mis-anthrope> really?
[09:52] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: what Ben64 said...
[09:53] <Mis-anthrope> I dont want a gui.. I want a window manager and not a de
[09:53] <icedwater> No, I understand not using a GUI. I'm in tmux more than half the time on Ubuntu myself
[09:53] <icedwater> Ah, OK
[09:53] <Ben64> i don't want a gui... i want a gui
[09:53] <Ben64> :|
[09:53] <icedwater> So you don't want the full DM
[09:53] <Mis-anthrope> now youre just being an arse Ben64
[09:53] <Ben64> no i'm not
[09:53] <icedwater> But if you have to run a firefox, or something, you want to be able to do so
[09:53] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: EXACTLY
[09:54] <Ben64> just install ubuntu-mate or something
[09:54] <icedwater> Ben64: I've seen that before... it's not the most typical use case, but I've seen it
[09:54] <icedwater> !ubuntu-mate
[09:55] <rellisiox> jew supremacists censoring the truth about their hatred and crimes against humanity. yawn.
[09:55] <whallz> hello, i think i messed up my driver, at boot i get to a login on tty1 instead of starting x with lightdm and stuff
[09:55] <icedwater> I wonder why these trolls bother even logging on to IRC on a tech-dominant server...
[09:55] <whallz> i am on xenial, and im on a laptop with that nvidia optimus / intel card
[09:55] <hateball> whallz: Maybe if you provide us with more details than "my driver" we might be able to help
[09:56] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: connection issues?
[09:56] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: yes.. :/
[09:56] <icedwater> Maybe change your default username so you don't have to switch it every login?
[09:56] <icedwater> s/user/nick/
[09:56] <whallz> hateball: i lost track, i was using nvidia 340 and worked fine, after installing it via the Additional drivers thingy in unity
[09:56] <icedwater> But anyway, that's a digression.
[09:57] <whallz> hateball: then i wanted to go back to nouveau and did a purge of nvidia-* and mv xorg.conf to a bk
[09:57] <metaresolve> hateball: When I was logged into my vps as metaresolve (instead of root) I couldn't write files to anywhere to replace files
[09:57] <hateball> !sudo | metaresolve
[09:57] <hateball> whallz: what chipset are you using?
[09:57] <metaresolve> oohh i see
[09:57] <whallz> hateball: now i tried installing again nvidia-340 and bumblebee, but with no success
[09:57] <Mis-anthrope> I want a really minimal install of ubuntu server.. no de.. only a wm for times when I need to use firefox or maybe terminator with a better resolution.. thats what I am not using any desktop environment
[09:57] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: the person I saw who did what you want was running Debian, incidentally
[09:58] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: okz
[09:58] <hateball> whallz: bumblebee is deprecated
[09:58] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: install ubuntu mate, start gui when needed
[09:58] <metaresolve> !cli
[09:58] <icedwater> Maybe you should be trying to boot to the lower level of systemctl or whatever it's called that doesn't start the GUI?
[09:58] <icedwater> Or reconfigure systemd to not start the GUI, or something.
[09:59] <icedwater> Ben64's option works too
[09:59] <Ben64> or the real server way, install server and use vnc
[09:59] <Mis-anthrope> well thats why I was using sudo startx.... for times when I need to start the gui "whimsically" .... but someone here suggested that I should use a display manager!
[09:59] <Ben64> sudo startx is never correct
[10:00] <Haris> hello all
[10:00] <icedwater> Ben64: VNC to a remote host with an X server? I'm intrigued...
[10:01] <ksa> Any of you that have experience with fsck fixing performance issue, e.g. high disk I/O wait? Reason for asking, is one of my providers said that would fix the issue, I do not however think it would. But would be nice to hear your experiences :)
[10:01] <Haris> where or through what means does 14.04 LTS sync clock ? on one box, I'm getting a +49 sec difference on a daily basis
[10:01] <Ben64> icedwater: yep
[10:01] <whallz> hateball: lspci says: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[10:01] <Haris> I didn't have NTP on it. I just installed ntp
[10:01] <whallz> hateball: uninstalling bumblebee
[10:02] <whallz> hateball: is that line of lspci helpful?
[10:03] <icedwater> Ben64: I'll have to add that to my try-it-out list :)
[10:04] <whallz> hateball: im purging nvidia-* too
[10:04] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: what if I dont have an X server on any host..
[10:04] <icedwater> Haris: I don't know, I have about 30 minutes difference on my VPS somehow
[10:04] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: I am still learning stuff and installing 16.04 on an old PC is part of that
[10:05] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: that's part of what makes Ben64's idea interesting.
[10:05] <whallz> should i use graphics-drivers ppa?
[10:06] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: does mate chug in a lot of resources? cuz I have only a gig ram on that PC..
[10:06] <Ben64> no
[10:06] <whallz> i /j #nvidia
[10:06] <whallz> sorry
[10:07] <metaresolve> I tried to use the sudo command and got "metaresolve is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported."
[10:07] <hateball> whallz: whats interesting is which nvidia chipset you have
[10:07] <icedwater> !mate | Mis-anthrope
[10:08] <whallz> hateball: i think is 820M
[10:08] <metaresolve> njm, i googled
[10:08] <hateball> whallz: guessing isnt helpful, use lspci
[10:08] <whallz> hateball: not guessing, it says on my laptop specs, lspci states this:
[10:08] <whallz> hateball: lspci says: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[10:09] <hateball> whallz: Unless my eyes deceive me, that says Intel
[10:09] <icedwater> Ben64: installing a different distro with a GUI to not start it isn't really solving the problem Mis-anthrope has, though... wouldn't it be easier to just do the second step on the 16.04 they already have installed?
[10:09] <cesdo> !адфмщк
[10:09] <cesdo> !flavor
[10:09] <JP___> I know a girl that goes by the name of Miss_Anthrope in reall life... Hope it isn't you
[10:09] <hateball> whallz: You should have a line for nvidia as well
[10:10] <whallz> hateball: yeah, but isnt that the strange nvidia optimus thingy?
[10:10] <whallz> its like 2 cards working together or something
[10:10] <hateball> whallz: at any rate that should be new enough to use the driver from PPA, 340 is ancient
[10:11] <whallz> how?
[10:11] <hateball> whallz: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-375 nvidia-settings nvidia-prime
[10:11] <hateball> whallz: as bumblebee is deprecated, you use nvidia-prime to pick which card to use, but you need to restart X between doing so
[10:12] <hateball> whallz: this is done in nvidia-settings
[10:12] <whallz> hateball: i dont have a running X right now im on tty1
[10:12] <whallz> im installing those packages
[10:12] <cesdo> !Studio
[10:13] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: if you're still here, I'll be trying to contact my friend who did the Debian setup. When she replies, I'll let you know.
[10:13] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: Thanks!
[10:13] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: I am always here.. I have no life :D
[10:14] <hateball> whallz: I'm talking about once you do, if you want to switch between Intel/nVidia
[10:14] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: although, why not just run something like LXDE, then do most of your work in another tty?
[10:14] <Ben64> icedwater: what second step
[10:14] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: thats what I am doing!!
[10:14] <Mis-anthrope> and yes.. what second step
[10:14] <icedwater> Ben64: to not start the GUI bit except when needed
[10:14] <whallz> hateball: ohh right, but after installing these packages i should reboot and X should start?
[10:14] <Ben64> just install vncserver, would be easiest really
[10:15] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64 said starting GUI (sudo startx) is "not good"
[10:15] <hateball> whallz: With some luck. I obviously don't know what you've done to the system before, if there are old lists of modules to blacklist or whatever
[10:15] <icedwater> No, it is "never correct".
[10:15] <Mis-anthrope> oh
[10:15] <icedwater> I'm not sure why, but that's their take. It can be quite hairy, though.
[10:15] <Mis-anthrope> JP___: I dont think so JP..
[10:16] <whallz> hateball: i tried isntalling nouveau-firmware before, purged it
[10:16] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: isnt running anything with sudo is?
[10:16] <whallz> is there something i need to add to my kernel line?
[10:17] <hateball> whallz: should be no need, go with defaults first. dont fix it if it aint broken and so on
[10:17] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: I use sudo a lot... I prefer that to logging in as root
[10:17] <whallz> hateball: thanks, i'll reboot and go from there
[10:17] <icedwater> I thought the point of Linux was to be able to do things your own way and live with the trade-offs :p
[10:18] <icedwater> Of course, some things make less sense than others, but that's not what I meant.
[10:18] <hateball> No one is stopping you from living with the trade-off of a broken system. It's just pretty unwise
[10:18] <icedwater> hateball: indeed.
[10:19] <icedwater> So I haven't played around with [sudo startx] enough to confirm or deny Ben64's statement, but it shouldn't lead to a broken system as far as I know
[10:21] <Mis-anthrope> Nothing was broken.. until I installed lightdm
[10:21] <icedwater> What was wrong with just openbox, then?
[10:21] <Mis-anthrope> NOTHING
[10:22] <icedwater> ...so why did you install lightdm?
[10:22] <Mis-anthrope> -.-
[10:22] <icedwater> Hehe
[10:22] <icedwater> I mean, seriously.
[10:22] <ripper17> hi all, I can't play mp4 videos in firefox on Ubuntu 14.04 , even though gstreamer1.0-libav and gstreamer1.0-ffmpeg are installed (which is the solution that a google-search suggested) - any more ideas?
[10:22] <Mis-anthrope> Ask Ben64
[10:22] <icedwater> Given that you already made a fresh install
[10:22] <hateball> ripper17: maybe they're using a codec that are in the bad or ugly packages
[10:22] <Mis-anthrope> anyways.. phuck dms.. I am happy with sudo startx until I figure out a better way
[10:23] <whallz> hateball: back, no success with nvidia-375
[10:23] <ripper17> it's my own site and it works on my computer, but not on a second
[10:23] <hateball> whallz: Right, so what exactly happens when you boot. Do you get lightdm at all?
[10:24] <freddd__> I have accidentallz messed up my system in a very bad way :(, I'm now trying boot-repair and it suggested me to 'apt-get purge linux-signed*' (among other things). I acidentally typed *install* instead of purge, now it wants to install all the kernels. I stopped with ctrl+c, but now they are selected for installation. how do I revert that?
[10:24] <whallz> nope, after all that logging which plymouth hides i get to tty ready to login
[10:24] <whallz> no lightdm
[10:24] <whallz> no xserver
[10:24] <ripper17> hateball: the mp4 is created with ffmpeg on Ubuntu 14.04 as well
[10:24] <freddd__> apt install -f will try to stinall about 800MB worth of kernel files, but I dont have that much space on /boot, so that seems like a bad idea
[10:25] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: On that note, DMs are not DEs... and lightdm by itself could be used to give you a login, I suppose, to something else.
[10:25] <freddd__> dpkg-configure -a complains about unmet dependencies (too many!) and then aborts
[10:25] <hateball> ripper17: yes, but mp4 is a container, it can hold various types of codecs
[10:25] <Mis-anthrope> icedwater: ik.. hence no to dm s and not de s :D
[10:25] <whallz> hateball: lightdm service seems to be running tough, sudo service lightdm status says active
[10:26] <whallz> active (exited)
[10:26] <ripper17> hateball: "H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
[10:26] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: install vncserver holy crap
[10:26] <hateball> whallz: try just "sudo service lightdm restart" for kicks
[10:26] <icedwater> Mis-anthrope: let's bring this to ubuntu-offtopic, I thought you wanted no DE.  :P
[10:28] <Xorg> :P
[10:28] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: though seriously, dont assume everyone is as competent as you in linux.. installing vnc doesnt make sense to me..
[10:28] <whallz> hateball: its no empty, there's no output after restarting lightdm service, which does nothing btw
[10:28] <Ben64> Mis-anthrope: install it, open a vnc client to the server when you need a desktop there
[10:28] <Ben64> done and done
[10:29] <hateball> whallz: I'm wondering if you've purged more than planned while cleaning out old stuff
[10:29] <Mis-anthrope> Ben64: thanks.. will look into it
[10:29] <whallz> hateball: maybe
[10:29] <whallz> let me check
[10:30] <whallz> i purged bumblebee, nvidia-*, console-common, and older stuff prior to this happening
[10:30] <hateball> whallz: check /var/log/apt/history*
[10:30] <whallz> oops i havent purged nouveau-firmware
[10:31] <hateball> whallz: well, installing nvidia-375 should blacklist nouveau anyhow
[10:31] <whallz> just nvidia-* and bumblebee
[10:31] <whallz> mmm
[10:31] <whallz> so what can i check next?
[10:32] <hateball> whallz: well, check that you even have /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg so you havent removed all of X :p
[10:32] <whallz> i do have that
[10:33] <hateball> whallz: check "dmesg" for errors loading nvidia module
[10:33] <hateball> whallz: check /etc/modprobe.d/ that nvidia isnt blacklisted somewhere
[10:34] <hateball> whallz: and try running "sudo prime-select nvidia"
[10:34] <hateball> whallz: or sudo prime-select intel
[10:35] <hateball> whallz: just to make sure things are set up proper
[10:35] <semperaddisco> .
[10:37] <FizzyCoffee> hm.
[10:37] <whallz> hateball: ok, sudo prime-select intel seems to have worked, no errors output
[10:38] <whallz> i see a bunch of blacklists for nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d
[10:39] <whallz> blacklist-framebuffer.conf blacklist nvidiafb, nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf (installed by nvidia-375) blacklist nvidia-current, nvidia-173, nvidia-96, nvidia-current-updates, nvidia-173-updates, nvidia-96-updates, nvidia-375-updates,
[10:40] <whallz> no errors on dmesg
[10:40] <whallz> at least when grepping -i nvidia
[10:41] <whallz> last line in dmesg reads: nvidia-uvm: Loaded the UVM driver in 8 mode, major device number 245
[10:41] <whallz> not sure if that is helpful
[10:42] <whallz> i tried startx on tty2, i see lightdm background and the mouse cursor is an X, nothing more
[10:43] <whallz> i selected intel, i'll reboot and see what happens now
[10:45] <whallz> hateball: ok, now i say an error when booting, failed to start nvidia persistance module or something
[10:45] <whallz> other than that no improvements, still on tty1
[10:46] <whallz> should i prime-select nvidia ?
[10:46] <hateball> whallz: yes lets try that
[10:46] <whallz> ok rebooting
[10:46] <hateball> whallz: also the persistance thing is nothing to care about
[10:46] <whallz> ok
[10:47] <JP___> Nice support
[10:47] <JP___> You've been at it for like half an hour now
[10:47] <JP___> Awesome
[10:47] <whallz> hateball: same thing
[10:49] <hateball> whallz: what does "lsmod|grep nvidia" give you?
[10:49] <hateball> whallz: What's weird to me is if you get nothing in Xorg.log at all
[10:50] <whallz> there not event Xorg.log file, just Xorg.0.log
[10:50] <whallz> wait, i tried sudo nvidia-xconfig, and it says that No package xorg-server found
[10:50] <whallz> then wrote /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <Fr33K0libri> great irc is still alive
[10:51] <whallz> hateball: lsmod outputs several lines, what should i look for?
[10:51] <hateball> whallz: did you check your apt history, if xorg got removed?
[10:52] <whallz> nvidia_uvm, nvidia_drm, nvidia_modeset, nvidia
[10:52] <hateball> well that's good, at least the modules are loaded then
[10:52] <whallz> not by executing apt purge
[10:52] <whallz> but maybe was removed when purging nvidia-* ? or bumblebee ?
[10:52] <whallz> would be weird though
[10:52] <hateball> whallz: yes, but that should show in the history
[10:53] <whallz> no "xorg" found in /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:53] <hateball> whallz: well, it doesnt hurt to "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg"
[10:54] <whallz> ok isntalled
[10:54] <whallz> what now?
[10:55] <Fr33K0libri> hello
[10:56] <hateball> whallz: did it give any feedback implying it reinstalled?
[10:56] <whallz> hateball: startx now is doing nothing before this it showed abackground and the cursor as an X
[10:56] <whallz> hateball: nope
[10:56] <hateball> whallz: you should NOT use startx
[10:57] <whallz> ok
[10:57] <whallz> reinstalling xserver-xorg just showed some packages i now can autoremove which are some primus-libs and xserver-xorg-legacy
[10:58] <hateball> whallz: restarting lightdm, does that produce anything in /var/log/lightdm ?
[10:58] <whallz> nope
[10:58] <whallz> no output whatsoever
[10:58] <whallz> this is wicked
[10:59] <hateball> I'm starting to draw blanks here
[10:59] <hateball> whallz: could you pastebinit your apt history?
[11:00] <whallz> how can i do that from cli?
[11:00] <hateball> !pastebinit
[11:01] <whallz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23738338
[11:02] <whallz> thats /var/log/apt/history.log
[11:04] <sruli> i wrote a wrapper for apt and apt-get, works fine when calling apt update from command line but not from gui, what tool does gui updater call for apt update/install?
[11:04] <whallz> hateball: it starts after i installed nouveau-firmware
[11:04] <whallz> everything was ok before that
[11:09] <whallz> hateball: any ideas?
[11:10] <FreeKolibri> hello
[11:13] <whallz> hateball: this is what dmesg | grep -i error outputs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23738457
[11:13] <abcdef> hi
[11:13] <whallz> FreeKolibri: hello
[11:13] <JP___> FreeKolibri: ask your question
[11:13] <abcdef> wifi is not working in ubuntu
[11:15] <FizzyCoffee> Does it work in all of your other devices?
[11:16] <JP___> Japanese advice :D
[11:16] <JP___> abcdef: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-connect.html
[11:16] <FizzyCoffee> ? You need Japanese advice?
[11:17] <JP___> I saw your ip-thing-a-majig that says your in japan
[11:17] <JP___> So i went with it
[11:17] <JP___> Japanese pop culture fan here :p
[11:17] <metaresolve> Need help with nginx. I'm trying to relocate the html files for a site using the sites-available file but it won't read the right page and i don't know why.
[11:17] <metaresolve> never mind
[11:17] <metaresolve> let me try something else
[11:19] <FizzyCoffee> #ubuntu-jp is happy to help you.
[11:21] <metaresolve> I'm having an nginx issue: right now the root for the websites is /usr/share/nginx/html. I (think I) want to relocate the index page for that site to my /home/metaresolve/meta_site folder
[11:22] <metaresolve> but when I try to change the root path in the sites-available doc, it doesn't do anything.
[11:22] <metaresolve> i'm still pointing to the old /usr/share/nginx/html which is pulling up the index.html there.
[11:24] <sruli> i wrote a wrapper for apt and apt-get, works fine when calling apt update from command line but not from gui, what tool does gui updater call for apt update/install?
[11:28] <ducasse> sruli: it might use the python apt bindings, at a guess
[11:30] <mozammel> hi guys, I've just faced another weird problem. my terminal cant start. I have try to start it from xterm ''gnome-terminal'' but output is "Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached" i'm on ubuntu 16.10 unity. this problem I have faced after I try to open unity 8 and when come back to default unity. if I enter "terminal" in xTerm then
[11:30] <mozammel> unity 8 terminal opens up.. please help
[11:32] <sruli> ducasse: where can i find the pythin apt files? i guess will have to make a wrapper on those too
[11:33] <ducasse> sruli: do you know python?
[11:33] <ducasse> sruli: because it's not that simple.
[11:34] <sruli> ducasse: no, but can i not write the wrapper in bash? if not i have a friend who is expert in python
[11:34] <sruli> ducasse: where do i find the files though?
[11:36] <ducasse> sruli: you need to modify the python files themselves, and they will be overwritten on updates. look for a package named pythonsomething-apt, then check what files are in that package. i would investigate the gui updater first, though.
[11:37] <sruli> ducasse: is there anyway i make a trace on the gui to see what tools its calling?
[11:39] <ducasse> sruli: i don't know any python, ask in ##python how to do that. the easiest way might be to add a call to your script in the gui updater itself, if someone can help you.
[11:39] <ducasse> sruli: but you need to make sure none of these edits are overwritten on upgrades.
[11:40] <sruli> ducasse: will find solution for not overwriting on updates. in /usr/bin i found update-manager, i'll try to write a wrapper for that see if it works
[11:41] <ducasse> sruli: you use dpkg-divert to avoid overwrites, iirc
[11:42] <sruli> ducasse: thanks wqill read up on the divert
[11:43] <ducasse> sruli: a wrapper to update-manager will run the script even if update-manager has been used for something other than updating.
[11:43] <sruli> ducasse: yes, but my script has condition "if [[ $1 == *upgrade* ]] ; then"
[11:44] <ducasse> sruli: ...which update-manager will not ever meet...
[11:45] <sruli> ducasse: oh crap.. back to sq 1
[11:45] <faLUCE> hello. I have two wifi netowrks in my area. network1 with a stronger signal and network2. How can I set ubuntu to connect network2 when this one is active, regardeless of the strenght of the signal ?
[11:45] <salty-horse> hi. how can I pass flags to startx? I would like to change the log verbosity but I'm not sure in which script it's executed
[11:46] <ducasse> sruli: that's why i said you need to modify update-manager itself or the python apt bindings.
[11:47] <sruli> ducasse: dont know how to go about finding which files it uses
[11:47] <sruli> salty-horse: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/165679/how-to-manage-available-wireless-network-priority
[11:48] <salty-horse> sruli, that doesn't seem related...?
[11:48] <sruli> salty-horse: sorry, someone else asked the question.. sorry
[11:48] <sruli> faLUCE: : try http://askubuntu.com/questions/165679/how-to-manage-available-wireless-network-priority
[11:49] <ducasse> salty-horse: 'startx -- -whatever' iirc
[11:51] <faLUCE> DLange: sorry I made a wrong question. I have to be connected both to network1 and network2, but only network2 must be the GATEWAY
[11:52] <ducasse> sruli: you just hunt down the appropriate packages (python[3]-aptwhatever), then 'apt-file list packagename'
[11:53] <ducasse> sruli: probably easier to just edit update-manager, though
[11:53] <sruli> ducasse: in which paretn dir should i look for them? /etc, /usr?
[11:54] <sruli> ducasse: i persumed update-manager would be a compled file.. its readable, will go through it
[11:55] <DLange> faLUCE: Network Manager -> Edit connections -> network 1 -> IPv4 -> routes -> use this connection only for ressources in this network
[11:55] <ducasse> sruli: look for what? the packages? just use 'apt search --names-only' with the appropriate search terms.
[11:55] <DLange> (rough english translation of the menu options, so use brain while clicking)
[11:55] <ducasse> sruli: python code is 'compiled' when started
[11:56] <ducasse> sruli: you want the .py files, .pyc are compiled
[11:57] <k_sze> Something is really weird with my new computer.
[11:57] <faLUCE> DLange: thanks, they did not choose a clear name for this option
[11:57] <ducasse> sruli: i need to say, though, this is an ugly, ugly hack and i wouldn't recommend it.
[11:58] <k_sze> I just installed Yakkety on a brand new Core i7-6700. Somehow my wireless mouse "works", but I don't actually see the cursor moving on the screen.
[11:58] <k_sze> I can move it, and the buttons do respond; I just don't see the cursor moving.
[11:58] <sruli> ducasse: noted, so back to the original question how can i hook a script to when update-manager finished installing updates?
[12:00] <ducasse> sruli: this is the only way i can think of, editing the code. but then you need to divert it, and you will miss any updates to it.
[12:00] <eightfold> hi there
[12:00] <sruli> ducasse: thats something i want to avoid
[12:00] <eightfold> is there a way to have emojis in input boxes etc in ubuntu
[12:00] <eightfold> on macOS i press ctrl+cmd+space
[12:00] <eightfold> and i can haz
[12:01] <eightfold> is something like this achievable
[12:01] <eightfold> ?
[12:02] <ducasse> sruli: sorry, i just can't think of another way. the optimal way would be to get something like apt::post-invoke added, but that's not done overnight.
[12:03] <ducasse> eightfold: there are character selectors, if you have an emoji font i guess it would work like that.
[12:03] <sruli> ducasse: there is apt:update:post-invoke but same problem, it does not run when initiating from gui
[12:04] <frib> Hi, I am unable to see audio devices in Unity control center.  How can I fix this?  Thanks!
[12:04] <ducasse> sruli: that sounds strange, the apt preferences should still work. is it named 'apt' or 'apt-get'?
[12:05] <ducasse> eightfold: try kcharselect, i couldn't find a gtk one.
[12:05] <sruli> ducasse: you mean if the hook is named apt/apt-get? i made the wrapper for both
[12:06] <computer2000> Anyone knows about an IR-Cam to use with Ubuntu?
[12:07] <computer2000> That's not expensive and works reliably?
[12:07] <ducasse> sruli: there is an _existing_ apt:update:post-invoke AND apt-get:update:post-invoke in the documented apt preferences? i didn't find any of them.
[12:08] <Guest54296> hello, which is the most lightweight DE suitable for ubuntu?
[12:09] <ether8unny_> who was the lead actor in the movie shazam?
[12:09] <ether8unny_> anyone? (wityhout imdb)
[12:10] <Speiros> ether8unny_ Ubuntu 14.4?
[12:10] <ether8unny_> :|
[12:10] <Speiros> lol, well, I guess not then.
[12:11] <ether8unny_> its an experiment
[12:11] <Speiros> Sorry guest54296 what is DE?
[12:11] <ether8unny_> i just needed a place with several people online
[12:11] <Speiros> no probs ether8unny_
[12:11] <ether8unny_> desktop environ
[12:11] <Speiros> Ah, okay.  Thanks.
[12:12] <Speiros> Guest54296 I'm unsure, but there used to be a "sugar on a stick", but I still don't think it was the lightest.
[12:12] <Guest54296> ok.
[12:13] <Speiros> ether8unny_ I'm curious...who was the lead actor?  I know the name, but never watched it.
[12:13] <Guest54296> one more question. Suppose I have installed ubuntu on a partition and over time I run out of space on that partition, can I increase the size of that partition?
[12:14] <Guest54296> without having to re install the os again?
[12:14] <mozammel> Speiros :  I've just faced another weird problem. my terminal cant start. I have try to start it from xterm ''gnome-terminal'' but output is "Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached" i'm on ubuntu 16.10 unity. this problem I have faced after I try to open unity 8 and when come back to default unity.
[12:14] <ducasse> Guest54296: the lightest de is probably lxde
[12:14] <Speiros> Guest54296 No, not that I'm aware of.
[12:14] <mozammel> you have any idea ?
[12:15] <ducasse> Guest54296: if there is free space immediately before or after that partition then yes.
[12:15] <Speiros> mozammel No, not me specifically.  Im using 14.4, due to not being able to get sound for my music requirements.
[12:16] <Speiros> ducasse There you go eh.  Good to know that.  I thought it would change everything.
[12:16] <Guest54296> ok. I have installed the os on the last partition.
[12:16] <sruli> ducasse: i added a post-invoke entry for apt:update and apt-get:update, 1 of them did trigger it, problem is it triggers it at end of update not upgrade, i need it to be triggered at end of task
[12:16] <Guest54296> actually I have two OSs now.
[12:16] <ether8unny_> im on 16.10 and am able to use it for music related
[12:16] <Speiros> mozammel Can it open with the search function?
[12:16] <Speiros> ether8unny_ No soundcard issues?
[12:17] <ether8unny_> Speiros, im using an external USB sound card
[12:17] <ether8unny_> but no, no problems
[12:17] <Speiros> ether8unny_ Ok.
[12:17] <ether8unny_> i can also run through hdmi without problem too
[12:18] <hateball> Guest54296: you can of course resize partitions as you please
[12:18] <ducasse> sruli: no, it would need to be apt:upgrade, but afaict that does not exist...
[12:18] <k_sze> wow, I never imagined that installing Ubuntu + NVIDIA would be such a huge PITA.
[12:18] <Speiros> ether8unny_ I need to be able to edit my songs, and can't do anything when the soundcard isn't working.  I ended up removing it and putting 14.4 back on, and ther eit is.
[12:19] <Speiros> k_sze That sounds like my problem.
[12:19] <mozammel>  Speiros: no cant open from anywhere.
[12:19] <ether8unny_> Speiros what DAW are you using
[12:19] <Guest54296> hateball, ok. how can I do that?
[12:19] <Speiros> mozammel Far out.  I don't know how to help you on that.  One of the other more experienced people might be better at troubleshooting it.
[12:19] <hateball> Guest54296: use something live gparted-live since you cant resize mounted/in use partitions
[12:19] <k_sze> My mouse "works", but I don't see the cursor moving (it actually moves "in memory", as far as Ubuntu knows it).
[12:20] <k_sze> Apparently the solution is to upgrade the nvidia driver.
[12:20] <Speiros> ether8unny_ What is DAW?
[12:20] <ether8unny_> digital audio workstation
[12:20] <Speiros> ah
[12:20] <hateball> k_sze: are you using a hybrid gpu or just plain nvidia on a desktop?
[12:20] <sruli> ducasse: i guess the only solution would be that the script should call another script &, the other script will wait and check for the locks in /var/lib/dpkg and /var/cache/apt/archives to cease and then execute.. long windy way round but cant think of other option
[12:20] <hateball> k_sze: because usually it is not more complicated than booting with nomodeset and installing the nvidia blob
[12:21] <Kali_Yuga> hmm
[12:21] <k_sze> hateball: hybrid?
[12:21] <hateball> k_sze: laptop, optimus etc
[12:21] <k_sze> hateball: my Core i7-6700 comes with integrated Intel HD Graphics 530.
[12:21] <Speiros> ether8unny_ I use a mixture of stuff.  I use a broken chain of freeware to make my music, and they conflict with each other, so I have to save them individually and mix.  I use Audacity for the final production, but I start with tuxguitar for writing score, then hydrogen (in theory), then transfer using Timidity, then open in Audacity and adjust my playback effects, and add vocals and other.
[12:22] <k_sze> But my monitor is connected to the NVIDIA card.
[12:22] <ducasse> sruli: i'm still curious why update-manager doesn't trigger the hook...
[12:22] <Speiros> hateball I use NVIDIA on my desktop and it is also supposedly an update, which I did, but it didn't do anything on 16.4, so I went back and it works on 14.4
[12:23] <ether8unny_> Speiros, gotcha, you using Jack, or Alsa?
[12:23] <Speiros> mozammel When have you last turned on and off your computer?  Just as a question, not as a suggestion.
[12:23] <sruli> ducasse: i did write a few messages ago that apt-get::post-invoke did trigger it
[12:23] <Speiros> ether8unny_ Alsa.
[12:24] <Speiros> ether8unny_ et tu?
[12:24] <ducasse> sruli: i must have misunderstood, i'm trying to do many things at once here, sorry :)
[12:24] <ether8unny_> ALSA
[12:25] <Speiros> Yeah, it seems to work well.
[12:25] <hateball> k_sze: So this is a desktop then
[12:25] <k_sze> hateball: yes
[12:25] <Speiros> ducasse you're doing a good job mate.
[12:25] <sruli> ducasse: no prob... really appreciate the help
[12:25] <ducasse> Speiros: :)
[12:25] <hateball> k_sze: What nvidia chipset is this?
[12:25] <k_sze> hateball: GTX1080
[12:25] <ether8unny_> when you run ALSA mixer from command line, or aplayer, what devices show up?
[12:26] <hateball> k_sze: Then you most likely want the latest driver from PPA
[12:26] <k_sze> hateball: and not the one from the nvidia download server?
[12:26] <k_sze> Which ppa would that be?
[12:26] <Speiros> ether8unny_ I wouldn't know.  I'm very illiterate with terminal.  I started learning, but instead of being able to progress I had a life event that has locked me into a mental freeze on everything, and I haven't been able to progress basically since 2010.
[12:27] <k_sze> hateball: this? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:27] <hateball> k_sze: Nah use PPA for ease of managment
[12:27] <hateball> k_sze: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-375
[12:27] <hateball> k_sze: That would be it yes
[12:27] <ether8unny_> Speiros, ah i see then.
[12:27] <k_sze> that would also work with CUDA, right?
[12:27] <hateball> !ppa | k_sze, as usual this little tidbit
[12:27] <Speiros> ether8unny_ Sorry:)
[12:27] <ether8unny_> cheers
[12:28] <hateball> k_sze: It should I guess, havent used it for that myself
[12:28] <sruli> ducasse: my long winded way round wont work either, apt-get-update-post-invoke-success calls the script 3 times, any idea why?
[12:29] <Speiros> ether8unny_ Slowly I'm working my way out, which means getting my backlog of tax etc worked out, but yeah, I'm a slow learner now on those things from that era.
[12:29] <lud> Have one of you ever experienced a ubuntu 14.04 network problem after upgrading some packages ? It stops at boot at 'STOPPING CPU INTERRUPTS BALANCING DAEMON' and there is no network available. It it not reachable by any of its IP adresses and cannot go out on the network, for no reason really, the local ip is up but it seems 'confined'
[12:29] <hateball> k_sze: should be noted that apt upgrade wont put you on a newer version, say if nvidia-376 happens, so you'll need to keep an eye for that yourself
[12:30] <Speiros> ether8unny_ Like a major burnout in life, and trying to find motivation to do it again, without resentment.
[12:30] <ducasse> sruli: not really, i'm not that familiar with the internals of apt/dpkg. i'm wondering if there is a #debian-something group that would be more able to help you, but that is most likely over at oftc.
[12:30] <Speiros> lud No but were the packages canonical or ubuntu, or other?
[12:31] <Speiros> lud I might not be able to help, but I can ask questions that others might be able to work from.
[12:32] <sruli> ducasse: i guess will have to add a ps grep to see if script is already running... this is getting more windy
[12:33] <lud> Speiros what's the difference? I thought it was the same ubuntu is canonical
[12:34] <Speiros> No, although they work together.
[12:34] <Speiros> lud I can't give you the specifics of difference though, as I don't know, but Canonical came on the scene later.
[12:34] <k1l_> lud: what packages did you change/update?
[12:35] <whallz> i messed up my driver, im running xenial in a laptop with intel graphics + nvidia 820M, i tried installing nvidia-375 from ppa but still no success, no lightdm, no xserver, i simply get to login at tt1
[12:35] <whallz> where should i start looking?
[12:35] <k1l_> Speiros: lud canonical is the company behind ubuntu. canonical is running and paying all the servers ubuntu needs. and the developers etc.
[12:35] <Speiros> k1l_ Wasn't the 2008 ubuntu pre-canonical?
[12:35] <whallz> there's no errors in dmesg
[12:36] <whallz> hateball: hi, u there? did you say something after i sent my apt history?
[12:37] <Speiros> k1l_ I understand the symbiotic relationship, but they are separate...or at least they used to be.  Even the software package manager, as opposed to the synaptic package manager.
[12:37] <k1l_> Speiros: no
[12:37] <k1l_> Speiros: canonical got funded 2004
[12:37] <hateball> whallz: I had a look but nothing seems off to me
[12:37] <Speiros> k1l_ Ok, lemme do a dig:)
[12:37] <ducasse> sruli: hehehe :) i think any option other than the right apt prefs hook is going to be ugly and hackish. i suggest asking the debian people, seriously. they are much more likely to have a better idea than i do.
[12:38] <whallz> hateball: damn, i dont know where to start from!
[12:38] <k1l_> Speiros: no. that is not correct. synaptic package manager was a total differen program with another focus than the software center
[12:38] <lud> k1l_ quite a lot really, can I provide a screenshot of the apt/history.log ?
[12:38] <k1l_> !paste | lud
[12:39] <hateball> whallz: It's kinda hard for me also, since you had already been dabbling a bit before I got involved
[12:39] <whallz> is there a way to go back to ubuntu's default driver setup after i installed ubuntu last time?
[12:39] <whallz> i mean, the default installer config
[12:39] <hateball> whallz: you can purge the nvidia driver
[12:39] <lud> k1l_ cannot paste, its in the vmware console. Here's the screenshots : http://imgur.com/a/1rHwL
[12:39] <whallz> i guess the installer detects my hardware and installs some driver and config ?
[12:40] <whallz> hateball: yeah but that leaves me in the limbo! lol
[12:40] <whallz> i need to restore all config involved
[12:40] <fengyu> dsa
[12:40] <fengyu> hello?
[12:41] <whallz> hateball: after purging nvidia, what should i do to restore config? i deleted xorg.conf
[12:41] <k1l_> lud: were there any errors when installing those updates? see the apt log
[12:42] <Speiros> k1l_ Yes, it had a totally different focus for sure.  The Software Centre came later.  Still, it seems you're right about Ubuntu mate.  Although self-governed as such, it is indeed funded and sourced by Canonical resources.
[12:42] <Xorg> &c
[12:42] <whallz> Xorg: help me out here! are you xserver-xorg ?
[12:43] <whallz> how can i test xorg init if startx is a big no-no?
[12:44] <whallz> i want to tail -f the log and see what happens at boot
[12:44] <lud> k1l_ no errors in the logs, and no errors during the execution of the update
[12:44] <k1l_> lud: that sounds like a vmware issue to me
[12:45] <hateball> whallz: that should be it, it should use intel by default I think. but I am not a pro at hybrid gpus
[12:45] <k1l_> lud: can you boot an older kernel in grub?
[12:45] <lud> k1l_ the issue is : the vm seems to be confined in her own network, she can only ping her own ip adress, and is not reachable even by other vms in the same subnet.
[12:46] <lud> k1l_ we tried booting older kernels, still the same issue :<
[12:46] <Speiros> Darn, my mango froze...
[12:47] <k1l_> lud: is that a desktop or server install?
[12:47] <lud> k1l_ server install
[12:48] <acicula> i tried the package linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge to try out the 4.8 kernel on a 16.04.01 system, but after booting i just saw a cursor that froze at some point and the system didnt completely boot. No dmesg entries logged in kern.log either, any way to troubleshoot what is happening?
[12:48] <mozammel>  last time I did restart my computer 6 hours ago. normally if I finish my work, I just put my computer in sleep mode.
[12:49] <acicula> (not looking to repair, trying to understand why the 4.8 kernel isnt working)
[12:50] <k1l_> lud: seems its a vmware and linux kernel issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1550090
[12:51] <Speiros> What is this "Max SendQ exceeded" about?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:52] <k1l_> Speiros: its a irc error when the client/user sends too many requests to the irc server and gets kicked because of that
[12:53] <roshalt> flooding?
[12:53] <Speiros> k1l_ I see.  Is it automatic?  As I saw someone earlier come in and go out just as fast.
[12:53] <k1l_> Speiros: its automatic. for more details you might want to ask in #freenode
[12:54] <Speiros> k1l_ Ok.
[12:55] <lud> k1l_ changing kernel does not work for our case :<
[12:58] <sruli> ducasse: dont think they'll want to help with ubuntu update-manager gui...
[12:59] <ducasse> sruli: no, but they might know about any hooks to apt that would suit your purpose, and that would get called no matter what language bindings are used.
[13:01] <sruli> ducasse: it only gets weirder, when running apt or apt-get from command line it only works with hook apt-get-post-invoke.. (not apt-post-invoke) update-manager stopped calling the script
[13:02] <sruli> ducasse: will go to #debain now
[13:03] <ducasse> sruli: ok, good luck! you can also ask in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-desktop how update-manager does it's thing, maybe they can think of something. sorry i can't help more.
[13:08] <nasobeytoas> hello! What are the implications of spreading a ZFS pool across multiple controllers? I have a PCI jbod card and the motherboard ports - if the card were to fail would it corrupt the whole RAID?
[13:10] <CrazyDuck> debian or ubuntu for beginners? for school kids?
[13:10] <cfhowlett> !edubuntu | CrazyDuck,
[13:11] <CrazyDuck> great. Thank you.
[13:11] <whallz> what are the possible issues for ubuntu not starting x? i get redirected to a login screen on tty1 instead of lightdm on xserver
[13:12] <whallz> service lightdm seems to be active (exited)
[13:13] <zokko> hi guys! :)
[13:14] <zokko> how can I successfully adjust /sys/module/be2net/parameters/rx_frag_size? I'm making changes to options be2net rx_frag_size=8192, and no effect :(
[13:18] <yva> I'mworking with a clean 16.04 install on an xps13 but it freeze completely very often (couple of times a day). I tried changing the idle_state in grub and it didn't help. The new 4.7 kernel prevents the laptop from booting. Any ideas?
[13:18] <cfhowlett> yva, drop back to an older version.  14.04 is still supported
[13:20] <yva> and if possible I'd rather keep the install I have. Maybe changing the kernel but I'm not sure why the new kernel prevent the machine from booting?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> yva, if this is the kabylake cpu, it might not be fully supported in the kernel.
[13:21] <yva> is that the cpu for the xps13 2016?
[13:21] <cfhowlett> !cpu | yva
[13:22] <cfhowlett> yva, depends on which model you bough
[13:22] <cfhowlett> yva, run lscpu in a termianl
[13:22] <Xtreme> Hello, can someone suggest me good and reliable anti-theft software?
[13:22] <Xtreme> For linux laptop. paid is fine.
[13:23] <cfhowlett> Xtreme, prey
[13:23] <yva> cfhowlett, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23738832/
[13:23] <Xtreme> cfhowlett, any other alternative?
[13:24] <cfhowlett> not offhand Xtreme
[13:24] <caine> hello all
[13:24] <hateball> yva: you can use the kernel from yakkety if you like to try that
[13:24] <hateball> yva: found in linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[13:25] <caine> i am using caine forensic toolkit bro
[13:25] <yva> hateball, I tried this but couldn't get it to boot http://sourcedigit.com/19889-how-to-update-install-linux-kernel-4-7-rc3-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[13:25] <cfhowlett> Xtreme, actually, your laptop may have some tracking functionality in the bios.
[13:26] <Xtreme> cfhowlett, http://support.hp.com/in-en/document/c04946214
[13:26] <Xtreme> This is my laptop
[13:27] <cfhowlett> Xtreme, yeah, no i'm not reading all that.  contact HP to ask if you can enable tracking on that device at the hardware level
[13:27] <Xtreme> :) Fair enough.
[13:27] <Xtreme> thank you
[13:27] <cfhowlett> and outstanding on the purchase!  how's it working for you?
[13:27] <yva> hateball, was it the kernell you were suggesting?
[13:28] <Xtreme> cfhowlett, it had virus on it when i got it from hp. You must be knowing this virus. Named Windows 10.
[13:28] <hateball> yva: No, I suggested you use linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[13:28] <hateball> yva: not a particular mainline kernel advised on some random page
[13:29] <Xtreme> Changed hdd to ssd, installed Linux and its pretty good.
[13:29] <hateball> yva: "apt show linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge" will tell you it is 4.8
[13:29] <whallz> hello, im on tty1, lightdm didnt launch and i think xserver-xorg or a driver is broken
[13:29] <whallz> i removed all drivers and reinstalled intel drivers
[13:30] <ikonia> whallz: re-installed the intel drivers ?
[13:30] <ikonia> how ?
[13:30] <ikonia> and how are you launching lightdm
[13:31] <whallz> i installed xserver-xorg-video-intel
[13:31] <whallz> reintalled
[13:31] <whallz> also xserver-xorg-core
[13:31] <ikonia> whallz: why are you re-installing things ?
[13:32] <yva> hateball, indeed thanks. Should I install it manually (wget + dpkg) as described in the webpage or is there a better way?
[13:32] <whallz> ikonia: im trying to restore default configuration
[13:32] <whallz> and default drivers
[13:32] <ikonia> why though ?
[13:32] <ikonia> what changed with yours
[13:32] <whallz> ikonia: i was using nvidia 340, i wanted to try nouveau
[13:33] <whallz> and then all got messed up
[13:33] <whallz> i purged nouveau
[13:33] <whallz> the i tried bumblebee which i later got told its deprecated
[13:33] <whallz> then i installed nvidia-375 from ppa
[13:33] <whallz> now i purged all and tried reinstalling default intel drivers
[13:33] <ikonia> whallz: so if you're using nvidia, why are you installing intel ?
[13:33] <whallz> but still no success
[13:34] <whallz> its intel graphics + nvidia 820M
[13:34] <whallz> hybrid gpu
[13:35] <whallz> not sure how to proceed
[13:35] <anton-bb> ;
[13:35] <anton-bb> hi
[13:36] <whallz> is there a safe way of restoring everything just as ubuntu configured when i installed ubuntu the first time?
[13:36] <yva> hateball, is there a way to see if my cpu is the new one (kabylake)?
[13:36] <whallz> i mean ubuntu installer detected my hardware and installed some packages and configured xorg and stuff, right?
[13:36] <whallz> can i make that happen again?
[13:37] <yva> hateball, my bad it is.
[13:37] <ikonia> whallz: have you looked at the xorg
[13:37] <ikonia> whallz: the xorg log sorry
[13:37] <ikonia> whallz: how is lightdm getting started
[13:38] <whallz> ikonia: im guessing the default way, i've never changed lightdm, just its greeter
[13:38] <whallz> let me paste xorg log
[13:38] <lud> k1l_ it was a network related issue. The macaddress of the network cards got mixed up we had to force them in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[13:38] <ikonia> whallz: perfect,
[13:38] <ikonia> whallz: don't need to paste it
[13:38] <hateball> yva: you would install it using apt, as you always should
[13:38] <ikonia> whallz: just look for the startup error
[13:38] <hateball> yva: that is sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[13:39] <whallz> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23738885
[13:39] <ikonia> whallz: look for the error
[13:39] <slah> bonjour
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !fr | slah
[13:39] <hateball> yva: and if it fails to boot, hold left shift and pick an older kernel in grub menu and then remove linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge if it isnt working
[13:40] <whallz> ikonia: how does an error show up? i grep for "error" and nothing
[13:40] <ikonia> whallz: actually look at the log
[13:40] <ikonia> whallz: follow it through
[13:40] <hateball> whallz: when I asked you, you said the xorg.log was empty
[13:40] <slah> join ubuntu fr
[13:40] <hateball> whatever, ikonia is helping now
[13:41] <whallz> hateball: i said it didnt output anything when i executed 'startx' or restarted the lightdm service
[13:41] <whallz> yeah, thanks
[13:41] <yva> hateball, ok installed. I updated grub and will reboot and then we'll see
[13:41] <yva> hateball, yes that's how I did it last time then removed 4.7rc
[13:42] <CrazyDuck> hello.
[13:43] <CrazyDuck> what is the best package to install windows only apps on ubuntu?
[13:44] <CrazyDuck> hellooo...
[13:44] <cfhowlett> best OS for windows is windows.  2nd best, virtualbox +windows, 3rd, emulator such as wine.
[13:44] <whallz> ikonia: i thought pasting my log so you could take a look, i dont quite understand whats happening here
[13:44] <CrazyDuck> ok
[13:44] <CrazyDuck> hi, ikonia..
[13:44] <whallz> ikonia: there are some EE
[13:45] <whallz> ikonia: Failed to open DRM device for (null): -22
[13:45] <CrazyDuck> best emulator?
[13:45] <cfhowlett> !wine | CrazyDuck
[13:45] <CrazyDuck> is wine the best available?
[13:45] <whallz> ikonia: Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section
[13:45] <cfhowlett> CrazyDuck, drop the idea of "best" from your vocabulary.
[13:46] <whallz> ikonia: Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[13:46] <CrazyDuck> I mean, the most preferred or the most used.
[13:46] <whallz> since i purged it
[13:46] <cfhowlett> wine is arguably the best SUPPORTED but there are other factors.
[13:46] <whallz> ikonia: those are the actual errors on Xorg log
[13:46] <cfhowlett> no stats available CrazyDuck
[13:46] <whallz> now im not sure how to proceed
[13:46] <CrazyDuck> ok. I understand.
[13:47] <CrazyDuck> will use wine.
[13:50] <whallz> ikonia: i think its making a fallback since drm device cannot be opened
[13:52] <ikonia> whallz: what device
[13:52] <k_sze> hateball: yes, got it. :)
[13:52] <k_sze> The version of python3.6 in the yakkety repo is version 3.6.0~b2-1
[13:53] <k_sze> What does the "b2-1" mean?
[13:53] <whallz> ikonia: dont know, it reads Failed to open Drm device for (null): -22
[13:53] <ikonia> whallz: just grep EE from the log
[13:54] <whallz> yeah, thats one of the EE's
[13:54] <whallz> the first one
[13:54] <WildPenguin> hello.. does Lubuntu consume less power than Ubuntu and hence help in longer battery life?
[13:54] <ikonia> whallz: you need to look at them all
[13:55] <WildPenguin> Does the DE chosen have any effect on this?
[13:55] <ikonia> WildPenguin: not quite that black or white
[13:55] <blackflow> Hello. I'm running Ubuntu 16.10, and I have Updates set to daily with "Display immediately" on both the security and other updates. I haven't seen any updates in weeks and when I ran apt-get update and upgrade on the command line, I see ton of updates available.
[13:55] <ikonia> WildPenguin: it can have an impact
[13:55] <whallz> ikonia: i just wrote them here
[13:55] <WildPenguin> ok
[13:55] <ikonia> whallz: where ?
[13:56] <WildPenguin> is Lubuntu specifically meant for old computers? or is it preferred on the latest hardware also?
[13:56] <whallz> here, 11mins ago
[13:56] <cfhowlett> WildPenguin, can be used on new hardware, is optimized for legacy hardware
[13:56] <WildPenguin> ok.
[13:57] <whallz> ikonia: isnt it faster if you take a look at my paste?
[13:57] <ducasse> WildPenguin: many who have modern hardware still want a light environment
[13:57] <ikonia> whallz: I'm asking you to look at the errors,
[13:57] <WildPenguin> ok. I like Lubuntu.
[13:57] <ikonia> whallz: and asses what's happening
[13:57] <whallz> ikonia: yeah, and thats not helpful at all
[13:57] <whallz> thanks though
[13:57] <ikonia> whallz: why not ?
[13:57] <ikonia> whallz: what do the errors tell you is going on ?
[13:58] <whallz> i dont understand those errors
[13:58] <whallz> dont know what drm is
[13:58] <ikonia> whallz: ok, so pastebin the errors and lets take a look
[13:58] <ikonia> drm probably isn't your problem
[13:58] <whallz> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23738885
[13:59] <WildPenguin> I am using Lubuntu now. In Synaptic package manager, when I apply filter, I have an option "Missing Recommends". Shall I install those packages?
[14:00] <ikonia> whallz: I just wanted the error
[14:01] <ikonia> whallz: here is your problem
[14:01] <ikonia> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[14:01] <ikonia> whallz: your config is set to use the nvidia module. the nvidia module doesn't exist
[14:01] <Guest33410> what
[14:02] <whallz> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23739877 here's the grep for (EE)
[14:02] <whallz> ikonia: how can you tell?
[14:03] <Guest33410> do you can help me
[14:04] <ikonia> whallz: I read the log
[14:04] <whallz> ikonia: so, just the errors is not really that useful
[14:04] <whallz> :)
[14:04] <ikonia> whallz: they show you the exact problem, as I've just shown you
[14:05] <whallz> ok, so, trying to understand here: when i purge a package, some configuration may not be restored
[14:05] <whallz> why is nvidia still my autoconfigured driver 0 if i purged it ?
[14:05] <ikonia>  whallz your xorg.conf is hardcoded to use the nvidia module - the nvidia module is not on your system/can't be loaded
[14:05] <ikonia> whallz: there is your problem for you to resolve
[14:05] <ikonia> whallz: because the package doesn't own the configuration file
[14:06] <hateball> whallz: you created xorg.conf by running nvidia-xconfig earlier today
[14:06] <whallz> hateball: i removed it afterwards
[14:07] <l0llip0p> WildPenguin You don't need install those packages. They are recommended but not necesery for programs to work
[14:07] <bgray> 16.04 - Startup Disk Creator is recognizing an ISO (Fedora-Workstation-Live), I select 'other', choose ISO and it doesn't show as a source disk image.
[14:08] <hateball> k_sze: mouse pointer issue solved?
[14:08] <whallz> also, when i ran nvidia-xconfig it said that package xorg-server was not found
[14:08] <JP___> My fingers hurt from coding :(
[14:08] <ducasse> WildPenguin: recommended packages can add additional features to programs, so you might want to investigate which programs recommend them and what features they add.
[14:09] <whallz> JP___: switch to dvorak (?)
[14:10] <JP___> Lol, how does that help? :p
[14:11] <whallz> JP___: they say its better, less stretching and movement, i haven't even bothered to try it
[14:11] <JP___> I just wrote allot of code today, not something i do regularly
[14:11] <whallz> ikonia: so which file states which driver to use?
[14:12] <whallz> JP___: then its probably not worth it
[14:12] <k_sze> hateball: yep, solved. Thanks for the help.
[14:13] <JP___> whallz: what is up with your problem anyway?
[14:13] <JP___> whallz: did you get anywhere?
[14:13] <whallz> not really
[14:13] <JP___> what are you trying to do?
[14:13] <whallz> well, i got to learn some stuff, thats good
[14:14] <whallz> but still not enough so i can tame this sucker
[14:14] <whallz> im trying to restore default drivers and xorg+lightdm config
[14:14] <whallz> since i lost my gui after trying to switch from nvidia to nouveau
[14:15] <JP___> Is it like a play around pc?
[14:15] <JP___> Or do you have valuable stuff on it?
[14:15] <Cocodude> Does anyone here know how Ubuntu interacts with PulseAudio when there are multiple cards to do audio? From what I can tell, it only has one sink available, which changes depending on what playback device you've selected. I'm trying to create a combine device but can't, as the two sinks don't seem available at the same time.
[14:15] <whallz> valuable customization and confs
[14:16] <whallz> except this one..
[14:16] <JP___> Xd
[14:16] <JP___> So you broke your login?
[14:16] <whallz> im trying to avoid a reinstall of ubuntu
[14:17] <JP___> That was gonna be my suggestion :p
[14:17] <whallz> just to learn to tame drivers, xorg and stuff
[14:17] <JP___> That way everything is autoconfigured
[14:17] <whallz> yeah dont want that
[14:17] <whallz> it has to be doable bu hand!
[14:17] <whallz> by*
[14:18] <JP___> it is
[14:18] <whallz> yeah
[14:18] <whallz> reboot time
[14:18] <l0llip0p> Hi! How I start a program in ubuntu when I turn on the computer_
[14:18] <JP___> l0llip0p: what kind of program?
[14:19] <l0llip0p> JP___, thunderbird
[14:19] <blacknred0> l0llip0p: https://www.lifewire.com/ways-to-open-a-ubuntu-application-4075529
[14:19] <JP___> in the top left you see the ubuntu logo, if you click on it you can type thunderbird in the search
[14:19] <JP___> Then click it
[14:20] <CountryNerd> http://askubuntu.com/questions/48321/how-do-i-start-applications-automatically-on-login
[14:21] <whallz> well i finally got my gui back, reinstalled nvidia even though i wanted to try nouveau, but hey, im back and i have work to do so maybe some other time
[14:21] <l0llip0p> JP___, blacknred0 sry I didnt mean that :D
[14:21] <JP___> l0llip0p: What did you mean?
[14:21] <whallz> hateball, ikonia, JP___ : thanks guys
[14:21] <blacknred0> l0llip0p: yea, what do you mean?!
[14:21] <l0llip0p> thank you CountryNerd you answered to my question
[14:21] <JP___> Oh there we go
[14:21] <JP___> Whallz: any luck?
[14:22] <JP___> Oh nice
[14:22] <JP___> I got credit without doing anything XD
[14:24] <wou> woop woop
[14:39] <Norux> hello