[00:39] <neversfelde> Sput: is there an option to deactivate this new blinking quassel icon in the tray? Seems to be not necessary for message indiactor users.
[02:36] <ScottK> neversfelde: Those people should probably just hide the systray icon entirely.
[02:36] <ScottK> (saving real estate in the "notification area" was one of the major rationales for it.
[02:36] <ScottK> )
[02:56] <nixternal> how the hell do you make amarok shuffle?
[02:59] <nixternal> ahh, it's called random, and is in a spot I wouldn't expect anyone to find purposely :/
[02:59] <nixternal> markey: ^^
[03:04] <nixternal> I am doing a PyKDE Opportunistic thingy next week, and this is how opportunistic I am...I have no freakin' clue what kind of small app to do. I was thinking a single, simple media player for jamendo, as this will allow me to show off some different bits and pieces
[03:04] <nixternal> but like, amarok already does it perfectly..I would like to create some sort of small app, that maybe someone can expand on and possibly make something good
[03:06] <nixternal> well hell, I thought this laptop had media keys
[05:53] <nixternal> what is the latest on artwork for plymouth for Kubuntu?
[06:00] <ScottK> Last I heard it was "Talk to tseliot about it".
[06:14] <nixternal> anyone talk to tseliot yet?
[08:12] <robinp> does kubuntu-devel have its own mailing list ?
[08:28] <jussi01> robinp: yes
[08:33] <robinp> jussi01: where do I find it / archives of it ?
[08:34] <jussi01> robinp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/
[08:40] <robinp> jussi01: do you know what has been done for kubuntu-lucid-file-sharing ? (I noticed that it has been delayed until MM).
[08:42] <jussi01> robinp: no idea
[08:42] <robinp> jussi01: ok thanks anyhow - I might just email roderick-greening
[08:54] <ghostcube> new webpage looks good :)
[09:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: that's not really an option, if you want to hide Quassel when clicking the close button and not close it
[09:42] <Sput> neversfelde: still polishing the tray/indicator stuff, I guess you'll get an option to disable the animation before 0.6.0
[09:42] <Sput> I don't consider that a new feature but a bugfix because the option is already there :P
[09:58] <apachelogger> the digikam devel list is insane
[09:59] <apachelogger> bug mails from bko and debian
[10:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: livefs hasn't been uploaded with my change for rm icon cache, mostly because we have no idea what makes that icon cache so we don't know if it'll re-appear after install whe it is needed
[10:48] <apachelogger> oh
[10:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: you know
[10:48] <apachelogger> I for one do :P
[10:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: for hicolor we probably need to hook into ubiquity to make it call it's postinst after the files were moved to the disk
[10:49] <apachelogger> BUT
[10:49] <apachelogger> for oxygen the cache gets generated by knm-runtime
[10:49] <apachelogger> (no clue why
[10:49] <apachelogger> ) and really I think it doesnt matter :P
[10:51] <Riddell> !
[10:51] <Riddell> now that's random
[10:51] <apachelogger> yep
[10:51] <apachelogger> looking at the packaging right now
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: it does yuse dh7 and install stuff to /usr/share/icons, maybe dh7 is smart enough to detect that and add the appropriate maintainer magic?
[10:52] <Riddell> maybe
[10:53]  * apachelogger testbuilds with dh_verbose
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyhow, either ubiquity recreates the cache for hicolor or we should restrict the rm to oxygen
[10:54] <Riddell> hicolor has a trigger, it should recreate itself after anything else gets installed
[10:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, there are GTK apps that do not install stuff to hicolor
[10:55]  * apachelogger thinks it is saver to just recreate it *shrug*
[10:56] <Riddell> would't be hard to add it to casper's post install scripts
[10:56] <Riddell> hmm
[10:56] <Riddell> yes that would work
[10:57] <Riddell> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/63858  a second touchpad config module
[10:58] <Riddell> this one with an upstream with ambitions
[11:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: casper is run for the live session isn't it?
[11:03]  * apachelogger wouldnt want the startup to be slow down because of cache creation :S
[11:04] <Riddell> casper contains ubiquity-hooks run by ubiquity after install
[11:04] <apachelogger> oh, ok :)
[11:18] <Nightrose> apachelogger: digikam list is insane because it wasn't moderated in ages and now dirk did
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the cause is clearly dh7, it invokes all dh scripts around and the dh scripts then decide whether to take action, in dh_icons case that means adding maintainer magic for each folder in /usr/share/icons/ that gets new content
[11:22] <apachelogger> which is what knm-runtime does for oxygen
[11:23] <apachelogger> so I suppose a couple more apps trigger that, but knm-runtime is the only one on the CD
[11:34] <apachelogger> holy pirate!
[11:35] <apachelogger> when will nuno stop putting app icons in main oxygen -.-
[11:49] <shadeslayer> hey :)
[11:50] <neversfelde> apachelogger: your kubuntu-firefox-installer upload fixes the problem with kdesudo?
[11:51] <shadeslayer> btw if i want to pipe the output to a file after running a app,how do i do it?
[11:51] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes
[11:52] <neversfelde> ok, I backported kdesudo for this, but it is not necessary anymore I guess
[11:52] <apachelogger> no :P
[11:52] <apachelogger> nonetheless nice to have
[11:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas?
[11:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pipe the output?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:56] <apachelogger> I do not understand what you want to do
[11:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you open any app via konsole theres loads of lines that scroll by,i want to pipe them to a txt file
[11:58] <apachelogger> ah
[11:58] <apachelogger> what you mean is redirect ;)
[11:58] <shadeslayer> oh..
[11:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: google redirect output bash linux
[11:58] <kubotu> Results for redirect output bash linux: 1. BASH Programming - Introduction HOW-TO: All about redirection: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html | 2. I/O Redirection: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html | 3. BASH Shell: How To Redirect stderr To stdout ( redirect stderr to ...: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/redirecting-stderr-to-stdout/
[11:59] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[12:20] <apachelogger> pong
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wanted to ask what cdbs does
[12:21] <shadeslayer> like it has the default settings of the make file?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> (according to apt-cache show cdbs)
[12:26] <shadeslayer> ugh..
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you implement a makefile yet? :P
[12:28] <apachelogger> that is exactly what cdbs does
[12:28] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:29] <apachelogger> it provides generic makefiles (one could call them macros)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and makefile is something i would find in the source right?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> like Cmakelists etc
[12:30] <apachelogger> cmakelists is no makefile
[12:31] <apachelogger> it is a cmake file, from which cmake will generate a makefile
[12:31] <shadeslayer> oh.
[12:31] <apachelogger> debian/rules in fact is a makefile
[12:31] <shadeslayer> ah..
[12:31] <apachelogger> cdbs files are also makefiles
[12:31] <apachelogger> that is why debian/rules can include them to begin with ;)
[12:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and of course Makefile in the source is a makefile
[12:32] <apachelogger> if you run cmake successfully it should generate lots of those Makefiles
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so like if i add cdbs to debian/rules ill get the default stuff of a debian/rules ( theoretically)
[12:32] <apachelogger> theoretically
[12:32] <apachelogger> there is no default stuff
[12:32] <apachelogger> there is but one call, everything else is dynamic
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i know,configured for each package seprately
[12:33] <shadeslayer> but im just asking theoretically ;)
[12:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw ive been using borland C++ compiler on windows and want to use gcc now,i just need a tutorial explaning the nuances of gcc
[12:36] <shadeslayer> any ideas
[12:36] <shadeslayer> im also googling,but thought you might know better
[12:37] <apachelogger> nuances?
[12:37] <apachelogger> gcc [source] -o binary
[12:38] <apachelogger> if you wish gcc -Wall to turn on all warnings
[12:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: usually you do not want to mess with the compiler directly but use build systems like cmake
[12:38] <apachelogger> those will take care of all that stuff on their own
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ok,but its a simple CPP programme
[12:39] <apachelogger> oh g++ would be what you want I suspect ;)
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1809520
[12:39] <shadeslayer> thats the format in borland C++
[12:40] <shadeslayer> i guess i can loose the .h in the headers
[12:41] <shadeslayer> hmm no conio and stdio?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where can i get a description of header files?
[12:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what?
[12:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh nvm
[12:46] <apachelogger> never heared of conio
[12:46] <shadeslayer> i asked in #C++ :)
[12:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: console i/p o/o
[12:46] <shadeslayer> *o/p
[12:46] <apachelogger> that sureis no standard
[12:47] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=conio.h
[12:47] <apachelogger> there windows specific
[12:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah #C++ tells me the same ;)
[12:49]  * apachelogger is wondering why one would want to use that anyway, since everything is builtin anyway :P
[12:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:02] <ScottK> dpm: Upstream Quassel has fixed the duplicate msgid problem in the one template.  I'll upload the fix after the Alpha 3 freeze is over.
[14:02] <ScottK> It would still be good to get the others imported.
[14:03] <dpm> ScottK, ah, great, they were much quicker than me :). The other ones should have been imported, if they didn't have errors, let me check again...
[14:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:11] <Quintasan> \o
[14:51] <dpm> ScottK, apparently there were some problems on the imports queue the particular day the quassel translations were imported, that's why they remained there. I've now approved them manually and I'll keep an eye on them to make sure they get imported
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you free?
[15:01] <apachelogger> free(apachelogger);
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: now I am
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you teach me how to package libraries?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> make that new libraries
[15:02] <ScottK> dpm: Thanks.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill be free in another 10-15 minutes so...
[15:03] <Riddell> ** New Kubuntu Desktop and Netbook alpha 3 candidate images for testing
[15:04] <shadeslayer> btw whats Stubby? :P
[15:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, we need to do iso testing it seems
[15:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:09] <Sput> dpm: and please keep us posted about upcoming problems with translation things
[15:11] <dpm> Sput, sure, I'll do :)
[15:21] <apachelogger> I did mention that the buzzword "opportunistic" might cause a flame if I have to read it a lot more times?
[15:28] <Sput> just make it an opportunistic trip to space
[15:37] <apachelogger> them opportunistic junkies take every opportunity to drive me mad
[15:37] <al> dpm: btw, is ubuntu using the .pot for anything?
[15:37] <apachelogger> I tell ye, that is not going to end well
[15:40] <dpm> al, actually not, it's what I was commenting the other day in here: having the POT in Launchpad will give you visibility and ease contributions, but since quassel's translations are qt-based, they will not be exported in our language packs. So you can just benefit partly from Launchpad translations: you can use it to obtain translations, but you'll have to get them from there, convert them back to .ts and commit them in the sources
[15:41] <dpm> in fact, that's the only reason I enabled the template there, since I thought you guys were just starting with translations and it would help you to get some more and get in the workflow
[15:41] <dpm> but at the moment quassel remains an exception
[15:41] <dpm> in how we handle templates
[15:41] <dpm> in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[15:42] <al> actually we have .po in the sources
[15:42] <dpm> ah, yeah, that's right
[15:42] <dpm> so you can commit directly the PO files
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm hm
[15:42] <al> yea, i was just wondering how launchpad would learn about new untranslated strings if it's not looking at the .pot file
[15:42] <apachelogger> didnt quassel switch to gettext?
[15:43] <al> yer
[15:43] <dpm> al, it is looking at the pot file, that gets imported from the sources
[15:43] <al> ok
[15:44] <dpm> apachelogger, no, only the translation files were gettextized, they still need to be converted to Qt's format manually
[15:44] <al> so we only need to update .pot and leave individual .po files alone
[15:44] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:44]  * apachelogger smells opportunistic hacks :P
[15:44] <al> not manually :>
[15:45] <dpm> with sticks and stones :)
[15:45]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:45] <al> and duct tape
[15:45] <dpm> :-)
[15:45] <al> but so far it seems to work
[15:46] <al> even in legacy OS
[15:46] <dpm> al, both the POT files and PO files get imported
[15:46] <dpm> so if you commit a translation from someone who sends it to you in git
[15:47] <dpm> when the package including that release is built
[15:47] <dpm> both the POT files and those translations will be imported
[15:47] <al> ok, thanks for clarification
[15:48] <dpm> al, no worries, whenever I can help in any way, just ping me
[15:48] <dpm> bbl, need to prepare a translators meeting
[15:52] <shtylman_> ryanakca: the site still renders wrong on my chromium on lucid
[15:52] <shtylman_> ryanakca: also... is there a screenshot of the site redesign someone is/was working on? ... any clue on when that might go live?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: looks fine on chromium here
[16:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: wheres the problem?
[16:04] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: the header part has only a download arrow in it
[16:05] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: are you behind a proxy? : http://imagebin.ca/view/JxIpeEk.html :
[16:06] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: no
[16:06] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: weird then.. what release of chromium?
[16:07] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: 5.0.336.0 (39849) Ubuntu
[16:07] <shadeslayer> i have 337
[16:07] <shadeslayer> 5.0.337.0 (39982) Ubuntu
[16:08] <shadeslayer> maybe thats the problem?
[16:08] <shtylman_> maybe
[16:08] <shtylman_> oh well
[16:08]  * ScottK larts shtylman_ for using ancient software.
[16:08] <shtylman_> haha :)
[16:09] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:10] <shadeslayer> oh btw found this amazing site : www.codechef.com : you guys might want to check it out when youre bored :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is unprofessional
[16:14] <apachelogger> lemme see
[16:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart shtylman_
[16:14]  * kubotu rips off shtylman_'s arm, and uses it to beat them to death
[16:15] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[16:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  I'd forgotten
[16:15] <Quintasan> lol
[16:15] <Quintasan> kubotu: cookies for Quintasan
[16:15]  * apachelogger thought kubotu menat shtylman_'s arm cpu
[16:15] <Quintasan> :<
[16:15] <apachelogger> that was quite scary alright
[16:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas for Quintasan
[16:16]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to Quintasan and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[16:16] <Quintasan> :O
[16:16]  * apachelogger likes that order best ^^
[16:16]  * Quintasan pokes apachelogger with a stick
[16:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: go back to work :P
[16:17]  * apachelogger did not come from work :P
[16:17] <Quintasan> sooo
[16:17] <Quintasan> find something to do? :P
[16:34] <shtylman_> apachelogger: wow... thats pretty graphic
[16:35] <shadeslayer> whut?
[16:35] <daskreech> The mental implication of not coming home from work?
[16:42] <ScottK> I think it was the lart
[16:42] <shtylman_> kubotu: help
[16:42] <kubotu> help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 51 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, identica, iplookup, karma, keywords, lart, lastfm, markov, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut,
[16:42] <kubotu> script, search, seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, wheeloffortune, wserver (help <topic> for more info)
[16:46] <Riddell> plasma netbook widgets look ugly without internet access, first thing you see on logging in is a fail sign
[16:52] <neversfelde> didn't someone fix the problem with having two panels after upgrading to 4.4 on Karmic?
[16:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: where shall I upload gluon? there was a ton of changes and like the package is spilt even more :S
[16:54] <Riddell> neversfelde: no, this fix is in bzr for kdebase-workspace "Remove network-manager-update/zz-plasma-remove-network-manager.py"
[16:54] <Riddell> but I don't think it's in the backports PPA
[16:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: PPA, revu, bug, whereever you like really
[16:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, I will have a look, kdepim needs an improvement, too
[16:54] <neversfelde> otherwise my upgrade on the laptop went fine :)
[16:58] <darkwing-mobile> okay. works on wechat. but vzw hates android irc
[16:59]  * ScottK has a vzw droid, not sure what you mean?
[16:59] <darkwing-mobile> *sigh* okay, ill be up and testing tonight. my laptop gets here today.
[17:00] <darkwing-mobile> andeoid irc keeps timing out on my moto droid
[17:01] <darkwing-mobile> scott ill be back to full testing
[17:24] <Riddell> hmm, do we want to let Quintasan into kubuntu-ppa?
[17:24] <Quintasan> yes you want :P
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> I think he already has access via kubuntu-ninjas, but I approved anyways
[17:25] <Riddell> groovy
[17:25] <Quintasan> hngh, LP is slow as turtle again
[17:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: so, new  shiny gluon in Staging PPA
[17:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: they made a ton of changes and I though it would be best to spilt it up when we don't have a lot of files now
[17:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I really think we should reduce the double memberships :P
[17:28] <apachelogger> kubuntu-ninja is key to all and everything, well along with kubuntu-dev
[17:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wouldn't that cut you access to many PPA's? :P
[17:28] <apachelogger> that said
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think kubuntu-dev should be a member of kubuntu-ninjas
[17:29] <ScottK> darkwing-mobile: I've been using AndChat on my Droid.  Seems to work reasonably well.
[17:32] <verbalshadow> nixternal: doesn't seem the your koffice work didn't make it into universe yet :(
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> ^prob. sitting in binary new queue
[17:33] <nixternal> yeah, that looks exactly like what is up, since the promotion/demotion of koffice...
[17:33] <darkwing-mobile> ScottK: andchat? ill check it out.
[17:33] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[17:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems sensible
[17:34]  * Quintasan goes back to coding
[17:35] <Riddell> nixternal: it is indeed
[17:35] <apachelogger> game of the day
[17:35] <apachelogger> go to planet.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <apachelogger> and search for "opportuni"
[17:35] <apachelogger> I get 28 hits
[17:35] <apachelogger> must be new record
[17:36] <apachelogger> KOpportunistic, doesn't look that bad, maybe we should rename
[17:36] <Quintasan> OpportunistiK
[17:36] <Quintasan> I fixed it for you :)
[17:37] <ScottK> Like most popular buzzwords I'm reasonably certain almost no one using it understands what it's supposed to mean.
[17:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh goodly :D
[17:37] <ScottK> I do opportunistic programming all the time, but it's not going to get entered into any contests because it's for $WORK.
[17:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is all about opportunity of not understanding it!
[17:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then they are doing well.
[17:37] <apachelogger> you see, you have the opportunity to understand it
[17:37] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:38]  * Quintasan might not understand
[17:38] <apachelogger> but that implies you also have the opportunity to not understand it
[17:38] <Quintasan> what it exacly means?
[17:38] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp opportunistic programming
[17:38] <kubotu> Results for opportunistic programming: 1. Code reuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_reuse | 2. Bill Curtis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Curtis | 3. President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief
[17:38] <kubotu> [1] Code reuse, also called software reuse, is the use of existing software, or software knowledge, to build new software.
[17:39] <apachelogger> hm
[17:39] <ScottK> Quintasan: The idea is that opportunistic programmers ares doing normal application development like most people think of it.  It's small, one off, scripts or small apps to solve local needs.
[17:39] <nixternal> apachelogger: hahahaha, someone else did the same thing you did the other day...I think you won with 28 though
[17:39] <ScottK> Having such things be FOSS is almost irrelevant because it really is a local need.
[17:39] <apachelogger> yay
[17:39] <apachelogger> that is worht a blog post!
[17:40] <apachelogger> And apparently it was worth a typo too. Oh my!
[17:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh. I get it now, thanks for explaining :P
[17:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: If it's worth doing, it's worth doing wrong.
[17:42] <Quintasan> still, KRunner is sooo slow sometimes and hangs often
[17:42] <darkwing-mobile> nixternal: you going to be around tonight?
[17:42] <Quintasan> needs nore love
[17:42] <nixternal> darkwing-mobile: kind of. I have to head to ORD to pick up my dad tonight, so I will be gone for about an hour, unless we go for a beer afterwards
[17:45] <darkwing-mobile> okay. ill have my laptop again so i want to pick ur brain about a few things. where we sitting on timelines?
[17:45] <Riddell> W: kplato: desktop-entry-lacks-main-category /usr/share/applications/kde4/kplatowork.desktop
[17:45] <Riddell> W: kformula: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libkformulalib.so.6.0.0 usr/lib/libkformulalib.so
[17:45] <Riddell> W: kformula: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/kde4/kformula.desktop kformula
[17:46] <Riddell> nixternal: do upstream even want us to package kformula?
[17:53] <verbalshadow> Riddell: nixternal told me the he has kformula in text docs but not as a stand alone app, and this is the reason for no desktop file
[17:56] <ScottK> Found the other USB stick, so back in business ...
[17:57] <Riddell> verbalshadow: the problem is that it does contain a .desktop file for the app
[17:59] <verbalshadow> Riddell: i'm i reading the warning text wrong W: kformula: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/kde4/kformula.desktop kformula
[18:16] <nixternal> Riddell: kformula kind of works, that's why it is there. We don't have to if we don't want to, and that is why I didn't install a desktop file, as it doesn't work when launching it on its own, but it does mostly work when embedding it into the other apps
[18:18] <Riddell> but it /does/ contain a .desktop file.  bug 527919
[18:18] <Riddell> nixternal: anyway, accepted
[18:20] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought I didn't install the .desktop file...now that it is in, I can fix it, or someone else can if they want to...there was someone in here that really wanted to do work on it, maybe it is a good time to get us some fresh blood :)
[18:27] <nixternal> dpm: ping? in regards to the templates for kubuntu-docs on LP. The old templates need to be removed if they haven't already before I upload the new kubuntu-docs package, as everything has changed
[18:28] <dpm> nixternal, I need to run, do you mind if we talk about it in detail tomorrow? If the templates have the same names, it's fine to upload them even if all strings are different. LP will take care of merging them.
[18:29] <dpm> and will take care of merging translations as well
[18:29] <nixternal> dpm: yeah, that is totally fine, thanks!
[18:29] <dpm> ok, thanks nixternal, and bye!
[18:31] <Quintasan> wtf
[18:32] <nixternal> did you break something?
[18:33] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.ca/1810496
[18:33] <Quintasan> dunno why
[18:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^ any idea?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> O_o
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> maybe try backing up debian/, deleting the unpacked source, and then extract a fresh copy from the tarball?
[18:36] <nixternal> are you using source format 3.0?
[18:36] <Quintasan> nixternal: nope
[18:37] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: just did that
[18:37] <nixternal> Quintasan: try going with that and see if that fixes it
[18:38] <nixternal> seems the binary that is being built hasn't changed from the previous, and source format < 3 doesn't do good with it
[18:38] <Quintasan> hnghm means repacking
[18:38] <nixternal> had this happen to me as well last year
[18:40] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:40] <Quintasan> nixternal: kinda worked
[18:40] <Quintasan> lets now test if dependencies are in lucid
[18:40] <ScottK> Can't install wifi drivers without network access because patch isn't installed.   Known issue?
[18:41] <nixternal> are the wifi drivers on the CD? if they aren't, what would the patch do?
[18:41] <ScottK> They are
[18:43] <nixternal> interesting...wonder if they need to grab something from the internet...what drivers are these? broadcom? doesn't the non-STA version of that driver grab the latest files online?
[18:43] <ScottK> It's broadcom
[18:43] <ScottK> patch is needed by dkms
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> this is /usr/bin/patch?
[18:45] <nixternal> ahhhhhh...i know what you are referring to now...i would think it is known
[18:46] <nixternal> wonder why patch is needed for dkms...thought it had its own system for doing things...never remember having to use patch
[18:46] <Riddell> I'm off out, probably alpha 3 will get released soon, if anyone is in a screenshot mood please add to the wiki page in topic
[18:47] <nixternal> off out, that roger
[18:48]  * nixternal notes, just borrow the screenshots from kde.org :D
[18:48] <Quintasan> hmgh
[18:48]  * Quintasan just made a mess
[18:48] <Quintasan> Bug #526002
[18:49] <Quintasan> fixing >_<
[18:49] <Quintasan> I really wonder where libjpeg7-dev went
[18:52] <ofirk> Hello. Does someone has a high res version of the kubuntu logo?
[18:53] <nixternal> ofirk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[18:54] <nixternal> there is an svg there of the old and new images
[18:54] <Quintasan> nixternal: but I really wonder if they will accept the switch to source format 3.0 as a fix for that :S
[18:54] <ofirk> Nice
[18:54] <ofirk> nixternal: thanks!
[18:56] <nixternal> oh, I doubt that Quintasan
[18:56] <nixternal> you never know though :D
[18:56] <Quintasan> :/
[18:56] <Quintasan> I messed up with dependency on libjpeg7-dev somehow and now it won't let me testrebuild
[19:00] <apachelogger> somehow I do not seem to get blogger to like me anymore
[19:00] <apachelogger> maybe I should move to wordpress.com or try to get a kde blog :/
[19:00] <Quintasan> hngh wtf is this >_<
[19:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2010/02/opportunistic-opportunity_25.html
[19:01] <apachelogger> go relax a bit
[19:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i finally built the library
[19:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you'd better give me solution to this, switch to source format 3.0 won't be accepted just by that, will it?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> thanks to c_korn in motu
[19:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for what?
[19:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1810496
[19:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:03] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Biergourmet (unplugged)" by Die Ärzte -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[19:03] <Quintasan> libjpeg7-dev disappeared from lucid and now kffmpegthumbnailer is sitting in queue all the time
[19:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you should fix your icecream :P
[19:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where did libjpeg7-dev go?
[19:05] <apachelogger> ah
[19:05] <apachelogger> !info libjpeg8 lucid
[19:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: beats me, according to changelog should be libjpeg8-dev in lucid but it is not there
[19:05] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjpeg7/7-2
[19:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: builts fine with libjpeg62-dev
[19:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so it might not yet be published
[19:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: anyways that error won't let me test build, disappears if I switch to source format 3.0 somewhat
[19:06] <Quintasan> brb going to get something to eat
[19:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what?
[19:06] <apachelogger> source format 3 can find libjpeg7?
[19:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: archive syncer ate libjpeg8
[19:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjpeg7/7-2 suggests there was a transition, but there is no libjpeg8
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hah... just beat you... 44 hits
[19:09] <apachelogger> I am wondering why ^^
[19:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one sec
[19:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/lIU4aP.html
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no no no
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1810496
[19:10] <apachelogger> nixternal: could you please blog something opportunistic
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when I switch to source format 3.0 this error doesn't appear
[19:10] <apachelogger> oh forgot something important
[19:10] <apachelogger> oh my
[19:10] <Quintasan> but when I use 1.0 it stops me from test building like this
[19:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol
[19:11] <apachelogger> now the post is perfect
[19:11] <apachelogger> muhaha
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am sure you were cheating
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eh?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how?
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am at 63 :P
[19:12] <shadeslayer> :o
[19:13] <shadeslayer> omg.. im getting 63 now
[19:13] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:13] <shadeslayer> your post just appeared :D
[19:13] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:13] <shadeslayer> yeah i still win
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ;)
[19:13] <Quintasan> grrr
[19:13] <apachelogger> no, I got 63 earlier :P
[19:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you dont have proof :p
[19:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure I have, identi.ca :P
[19:15] <Quintasan> too much trolling for sabdfl
[19:15] <Quintasan> :P
[19:15]  * apachelogger has parts hidden
[19:15] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:15] <apachelogger> hm, i actually wonted to blog via blogilo, somehow I forgot about that -.-
[19:16] <apachelogger> wanted even
[19:16] <shadeslayer> well ive gtg right now... 2 AM in the morning... have to get up at 7.30 :D
[19:16] <apachelogger> omg
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good luck with that :P
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and sleep tight
[19:16] <shadeslayer> hehe... i wont
[19:16] <shadeslayer> bye all :D
[19:27] <verbalshadow> nixternal: i'm willing to bang on koffice some but i will need guidance to fix the things you talked about
[19:56] <maco2> seele and i were just interviewed by pbs (US's version of bbc) about open source
[19:58] <maco2> what language is kickoff written in? i want to teach it to alphabetize search results. gwibber's got *three* .desktop's (client, settings, and accounts) and what order they show up in is non-deterministic and i have to stop and read closely because i cant just know "client is always second" and that is argh!
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> kickoff's C++
[19:58] <Quintasan> lol
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> it's in kdebase-workspace
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> plasma/generic/applets/kickoff, if memory serves
[19:59] <maco2> JontheEchidna: thanks. i might have to learn how C++ works then.  :(
[19:59] <maco2> but first, i have to try to fix pykde because i found a bug
[20:22] <binarylooks_> I was just doing a do-release-upgrade -d (was at 20% ) when my network cllapsed. when I try starting again I get a "no new release found". how can i resume the release upgrade?
[20:25] <ryanakca> shtylman_: The site redesign is being worked on by ofirk. Feel free to offer him help. As to when the site might go live, I'm not sure. I was hoping for shortly before release.
[20:25] <neversfelde> there is an overwrite error for bilbo and blogilo when upgrading to our 4.4 karmic packages http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/383920/. Blogilo is already "Replaces: bilbo (<< 1.0)" isn't that enough?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: should be (<< 0:1.0)
[20:29] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: yes, just seen this
[20:29] <neversfelde> thank you
[20:35] <Mamarok> just had this in #kubuntu:
[20:35] <Mamarok> [21:31] <kubian> this doesn't seem right "Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 10.04, the Karmic Koala!"
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:38] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: this is my most beautiful mistake http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/68
[20:38] <Lex79> :D
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:57] <ScottK> jussi01: What was the web/IRC thing that got banned from freenode last year?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> mibbit?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ^
[20:57] <ScottK> Maybe
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> mibbit is infamous for being abused
[20:58] <ScottK> Yeah.
[20:58] <ScottK> that's the one
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> once bug 528023 is taken care of, kdelibs can be demoted to universe
[21:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nice blog post.
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> alpha3 released
[21:12]  * JontheEchidna patches up the wiki
[21:16]  * claydoh is in trouble, as he didn't mark the date for Alpha3, and as such has not even looked at release notes :(
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: gotcha covered, but unfortunately I didn't have time to get pics
[21:18] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: I should be able t o grab some later tonight after I get home fro work
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> neat
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktoprq1942.jpg vs http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopvt1942.jpg
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: ^
[21:25] <Lex79> kdevelop will be released on May 1st :(
[21:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: except jono doesn't like it :(
[21:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Bug or feature?
[21:27] <apachelogger> maybe I should blog about how he made nixternal drop his lernid-kde code :P
[21:27] <ScottK> I'm reasonably certain he's in the doesn't understand what opportunistic means group.
[21:27] <ScottK> I didn't think it was nixternal
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> wasn't that rick spencer?
[21:27] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> still a richard, at any rate :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> someone had non-opportunistic code :P
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> Alpha3 announcement on kubuntu.org
[21:28]  * JontheEchidna heads home
[21:28]  * ScottK didn't know JontheEchidna ever left?
[21:29]  * apachelogger finds braveheart a rather weird movie
[21:36] <maco2> ScottK: lernid-kde was nixternal
[22:04] <ScottK> maco2: Thanks.
[22:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds like a good blog topic to me (lernid-kde), but I've got a bad attitude, so that may be totally wrong.
[22:05] <maco2> Riddell already talked to jono about it
[22:05] <apachelogger> yeah, not really a good idea to take that to the public of planets
[22:05] <neversfelde> :(
[22:05] <maco2> jono replied by tweeting that he's not against it per sé just that he doesnt like when two programs that serve the same purpose exist just so there can be a gnome & a kde version
[22:07] <ScottK> Then we should just have the KDE version...
[22:08] <ScottK> Does GTK/Gnome work on Windows?
[22:08] <claydoh> ScottK:  :) extra points on pointing that out
[22:10] <claydoh> jono could re-write it in Mono........
[22:10]  * claydoh hides and goes back to actually working at work
[22:15] <shtylman_> so I have a small annoyance...maybe someone can help me
[22:15] <shtylman_> lets say I have done something like: export my_path=~/bin/
[22:16] <shtylman_> later .. if i do: $my_path ... but bit tab to autocomplete it , bash puts a space after it
[22:16] <shtylman_> so I have to backspace and then go from there
[22:16] <shtylman_> anyone ever run into this?
[22:16] <shtylman_> or have a way of working around it?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, I go to college now, then when classes are done for the day I take a 1 mile bus ride down to my dad's office
[22:22] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Have you cleared the cache for www.kubuntu.org ?
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> ah, haven't tried that
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> yup, fixed :)
[22:23] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Hurray :)
[22:23] <ryanakca> shtylman_: Have you?
[22:24] <shtylman_> ryanakca: much better :)
[22:24] <ryanakca> shtylman_: :)
[22:25] <shtylman_> Riddell: no screenshots on release notes page?
[22:25] <shtylman_> ;(
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> shtylman_: feel free to contribute, I haven't quite figured out the attachment system
[22:27] <shtylman_> indeed
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> anybody mind if I do some hacking on the koffice packaging? I found some stuff that needs addressed (other than the kformula .desktop thingy) while triaging bugs
[23:05] <maco2> is this right? svn.kde.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:10] <neversfelde> maco2: yes
[23:11] <maco2> hrmph
[23:11] <maco2> is it down for you too?
[23:11] <maco2> because im getting timeouts trying to checkout kdebindings
[23:13] <neversfelde> maco2: yes, it is down, websvn.kde.org works
[23:13] <maco2> :(
[23:13] <maco2> websvn is just for viewing though right? cant checkout from it?
[23:19] <neversfelde> maco2: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebindings
[23:19] <neversfelde> works for me
[23:19] <maco2> if you checkout from anonsvn can you commit to the not-anon one later? i dont quite know how this works
[23:20] <neversfelde> maco2: sorry, no idea
[23:20] <maco2> ok
[23:20] <maco2> well at worst i end up with a diff and apply it and push it
[23:20] <maco2> er, commit it
[23:20] <maco2> (distributed vcs pweeze???)
[23:22] <maco2> i dont understand this svn thing :( it says:  svn: No such revision 1096136 when i "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebindings"
[23:33] <Riddell> maco2: works for me
[23:34] <maco2> svn hates me
[23:34] <maco2> i bet its upset that i didnt have it installed the first time i tried today
[23:34] <maco2> it feels unloved, so it unloves me in return
[23:37] <Riddell> maco2: you have an svn account, why use anonsvn?
[23:37] <maco2> Riddell: because the not-anon server is down
[23:37] <maco2> neversfelde said its timing out for him too
[23:37] <maco2> so its not just me
[23:38] <Riddell> maco2: maybe try one of the othe IP addresses for anonsvn.kde.org
[23:38] <Riddell> set it in your /etc/hosts
[23:39] <maco2> umm wait so i should use anon or not-anon? im confused now. do you know these IPs?
[23:41] <Riddell> there is only one svn.kde.org if it's down then that's that
[23:41] <Riddell> there's three anonsvn
[23:41] <maco2> ah
[23:41] <Riddell> as dig will tell you
[23:44] <maco2> oooh yay that appears to be working! you're smart!
[23:47] <Riddell> there's more to me than my good looks
[23:47] <Riddell> http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/KDevelop_4/4.0_Release_Schedule  KDevelop release on 1st of march, guess I should remove it from the lucid archive then
[23:48] <maco2> Riddell: already knew that ;)


[00:12] <gustonegro> tarball name is libpd_1.0.orig.tar.gz;  changelog 1st line: libpd (1.0-1) natty; urgency=low
[00:13] <lifeless> so
[00:13] <lifeless> name the tarball libpd_1.0+test1.orig.tar.gz
[00:13] <lifeless> and the 1.0-1 becomes 1.0+test1-1
[00:15] <gustonegro> ok, gotit.
[00:15] <gustonegro> thanks a million
[00:17] <lifeless> and in future, don't delete pacakges :) - just upload a newer version (e.g. -2) without changing the tarball at all
[00:18] <gustonegro> okay.  I didn't know that.  from the docs it sounds like you can delete packages.   I was just trying to test things out to learn the system.
[00:18] <gustonegro> I had used the wrong git source at the beginning
[01:29] <broder> is it possible to unlink an ubuntu package from an upstream?
[01:29] <broder> i just noticed https://launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+packages
[01:36] <wgrant> broder: Done.
[01:36] <wgrant> Any package uploader should be able to do it.
[01:37] <micahg> wgrant: no, there's a bug, let me find the number
[01:37] <broder> From the page I linked? Looks like gitolite is in universe, so I should have had the requisite bits...
[01:37] <wgrant> I thought we fixed that a couple of days ago.
[01:37] <wgrant> I may be wrong.
[01:37] <micahg> bug 796867
[01:38] <wgrant> Ah, so it's in the batch of revs that are about to be deployed.
[01:38] <micahg> not deployed yet
[01:38] <broder> Ok. Well, thanks wgrant
[02:34] <Noldorin> what's the difference between the Solved and Answered question statuses in LP?
[02:35] <StevenK> Answered == some one has provided an answer. Solved == the asker has used the answers and solved the problem.
[02:54] <Noldorin> StevenK, ah right. so if the project maintainer replies to a question with an answer, and the answer never returns to it... it should be left as Answered or marked as Solved?
[02:57] <spm> from the perspective of a regular answerer, answered and solved are identical to me. either way, the query isn't on the active list.
[02:58] <Noldorin> fair enough
[02:58] <spm> to some extent, the info-required reply (or similar name) - has the same effect.
[03:00] <Noldorin> spm, so if the asker doesn't reply, i might as well just leave it as Answered eh?
[03:00] <spm> that's what we do.
[03:00] <Noldorin> thank you. sounds sensible.
[03:02] <Noldorin> spm, actually: can i revert questions to a preivous state / remove existing messages?
[03:03] <spm> you can change their status, I believe anyway. remove, doubt it.
[03:03] <Noldorin> spm, not without adding another message, it seems
[03:04] <spm> via change status? yup. seems that way.
[03:10] <Noldorin> oh well
[03:12] <Noldorin> spm, not a big issue... it's just that i accidentally wrongly changed the status, and want to revert, but don't know how to without adding another nonsense message!
[03:12] <spm> "oops. I boo boo'ed. changing status back" <== more or less what I've used :-)
[03:18] <Noldorin> spm, hehe. fair enough then!
[03:18] <Noldorin> cheers
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi. launchpad still thinks freeciv is using rt.freeciv.org for bu tracking, but its moved to http://gna.org/bugs/?group=freeciv . whats the process to get it updated?
[04:25] <GatoLoko> hi
[04:28] <GatoLoko> every time I try to set a team contact address, launchpad gives a oops message, this has been happening for a long time, is there some other way to do this?
[04:55] <thomi> hi, I'm trying to push a branch to our project's '1.0' series by doing: "bzr push lp:sloecode/1.0" but I get the error message "Permission denied: "Cannot create '1.0'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."". I must be doing something wrong, but I can't for the life of me see what it is
[04:55] <thomi> any ideas?
[04:57] <thomi> When I try and push to the branch directly rather than to the series name I get: "bzr: ERROR: At lp:~sloecode/sloecode/1.0 you have a valid .bzr control directory, but not a branch or repository. This is an unsupported configuration. Please move the target directory out of the way and try again."
[04:57] <thomi> Yet when I try and do "bzr branch lp:~sloecode/sloecode/1.0" I get "ERROR: Not a branch"
[04:59] <lifeless> push --use-existing lp:~sloecode/sloecode/1.0
[04:59] <lifeless> and link it to the series separately
[04:59] <lifeless> GatoLoko: file a bug please; include the OOPS ID
[05:01] <thomi> lifeless: Nope, when i try that I get: ERROR: At lp:~sloecode/sloecode/1.0 you have a valid .bzr control directory, but not a branch or repository. This is an unsupported configuration. Please move the target directory out of the way and try again.
[05:05] <GatoLoko> lifeless done: #801423
[06:27] <lifeless> thomi: is it a new branch? how did you make it?
[08:11] <figure002> hello. i have a PHP project hosted on launchpad, and i use php in combination with gettext for internationalisation and i already have some .po files. the problem is, LP only imports the template file, but not the .po files. I did read the help page for import policies. By po files are in subdirectories, because that's where PHP looks for and i don't think i can change that. How do i solve this?
[08:16] <figure002> e.g. for Dutch the .po files are in a subdirectory /nl_NL/LC_MESSAGES/domain.po. But in the help page it is explained that LP expects the .po files to be in the same directory as the template file and that the .po files are named after the ISO 639 language code.
[08:26] <thomi> lifeless: I selected the option to get launchpad to make it for me
[08:28] <lifeless> ok
[08:28] <lifeless> thomi: delete the branch
[08:29] <lifeless> that option really doesn't work well
[08:29] <thomi> ok
[08:29] <thomi> I'll try...
[08:43] <thomi> lifeless: thanks, that worked.
[10:35] <figure002> hello. I have a website project hosted on launchpad and i use PHP + gettext for internationalisation. It already contains .po files that I want to import into LP. The problem is that LP only imports the template file, but not the .po files (it did find them though, the). I did read the help page for import policies. By po files are in subdirectories, because that's where PHP looks for and i don't
[10:35] <figure002> think i can change that. How do i solve this?
[12:42] <figure002> hello. I have a website project hosted on launchpad and i use PHP + gettext for internationalisation. It already contains .po files that I want to import into LP. The problem is that LP only imports the template file, but not the .po files (it did find them though; they are on status "Needs review" and stay like that). What do I need to do to make LP import those .po files?
[12:58] <bigjools> hey danilos can you help? --^
[12:58] <danilos> bigjools, sure thing
[12:58] <bigjools> ta
[12:58] <danilos> figure002, unfortunately, I am guessing the problem is with the layout: Launchpad doesn't support what is the most common layout in web applications for PO files
[12:59] <danilos> figure002, Launchpad expects all PO files to be in a single directory, along with the template
[12:59] <danilos> figure002, and my guess is that your project uses something like translations/LC_MESSAGES/xx/xx.po where xx is the language code
[13:00] <danilos> figure002, in case I guessed wrong, please give me the link to your project in LP (or even better, to the translations import queue), and I'll check it up
[13:10] <figure002> danilos: yes, that's exactly my problem. PHP by default looks in those subfolders, but I can't seem to change that.
[13:11] <figure002> danilos: also, in my case all .po files have the same name (instead of the language code). But that's something I *can* change.
[13:13] <figure002> danilos: the import queue: https://translations.launchpad.net/getgnulinux/+imports
[13:14] <danilos> figure002, well, PHP probably looks for MO files in those directories, and not PO files, so you should be able to change that as well as long as you put generated MO files in the right places
[13:14] <danilos> figure002, alternatively, if you are interested in extending Launchpad to support that layout as well, we'd be happy to get some help on that (Launchpad is open source as well)
[13:15] <danilos> figure002, I am otherwise very sorry if this makes it impossible for you to use Launchpad :/
[13:16] <figure002> danilos: wow, why didn't i think of that. it indeed looks for the .mo files, so I can just move those .po files.
[13:16] <danilos> figure002, cool, it should just work once you do that and the files end up in the import queue (though, auto-approver is somewhat slow so it may take up to a day for them to get auto-approved)
[13:16] <figure002> danilos: it would indeed be nice if LP had support for that layout as well; i wouldn't mind helping out
[13:17] <figure002> danilos: ok, will give it a try
[13:17] <danilos> figure002, cool, if you have any issues, you can drop in here or ask a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/ when nobody is responding in here
[13:18] <danilos> figure002, (and if you want to dive into Launchpad development, you can start on dev.launchpad.net :))
[13:18] <czajkowski> what is the daily limit of contact this person via email on LP ???
[13:18] <figure002> danilos: nice, thanks :) i
[13:19] <figure002> danilos: nice, thanks :) i'll give it a try once I'm less busy
[13:20] <danilos> figure002, you are welcome
[13:20] <danilos> czajkowski, I am not sure, but I think it's something low like 3 or 5
[13:26] <czajkowski> danilos: aye figured it was that low
[13:26] <czajkowski> feck
[13:26] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:26] <danilos> czajkowski, yw
[13:31] <czajkowski> danilos: it's really low
[13:32] <danilos> czajkowski, it's hard to find the right balance between stopping spam and allowing people to be contacted when needed
[13:32] <czajkowski> danilos: right I'm on the LC and trying to contact team contacts, so after 5 teams I've used it up. Now have to wait a day to send rest of the mails
[13:33] <czajkowski> I know there is no happy medium but some teams or members of teams should be able to send more surely ?
[13:33] <bigjools> shoulda asked for the real email address on one of the five :)
[13:33] <czajkowski> bigjools: tell me about it!
[13:34] <czajkowski> 142 teams many dont have team contact listed, those that dont have to go to team page and find it only to find no public email listed
[13:34] <czajkowski> you'd think the team contact would like to be contacted

[13:35] <bigjools> czajkowski: you're in Dublin aren't you?
[13:35] <czajkowski> nope London
[13:35] <bigjools> ah, fail
[13:35] <czajkowski> moved here last November for a job, which finished in April so now job hunting
[13:35] <czajkowski> and in Dublin the week after ye leave total fail!
[13:35] <bigjools> damn!
[13:37] <danilos> czajkowski, there were some ideas about basing how many you can do depending on your karma, but I don't think that went anywhere
[13:38] <czajkowski> danilos:  goes back to what kamra actually means
[13:38] <czajkowski> you might don't anything but actually need to send mails
[13:39] <czajkowski> time to stalk people on irc to find email addressess
[13:39]  * czajkowski glares at launchpad
[13:39] <danilos> czajkowski, there were even more complex ideas involving a notion of "community standing", but it's still something that requires a lot of work to implement and get right
[13:39] <czajkowski> danilos: that I'd be happy with anyone in one of the councils or boards they can send as many as needed, chances of them abusing it are very slim
[13:40] <danilos> czajkowski, sure, it's just that none of it is implemented yet
[13:43] <czajkowski> danilos: on a to do list right :(
[13:44] <danilos> yeah
[13:46] <czajkowski> danilos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/801514
[13:46] <czajkowski> is my main reason for the rant today
[13:48] <danilos> czajkowski, right, but I don't think we'll ever make it a mandatory field in Launchpad
[13:48] <danilos> czajkowski, I do understand your frustrations, though
[13:49] <danilos> czajkowski, but I am not sure what could we easily do (there's plenty of hard things we could do if we only had the time)
[13:49] <czajkowski> *sigh* tis a catch 22 alright
[13:50] <czajkowski> as it has a knock on effect on the ld which 142 teams use...
[13:52] <danilos> czajkowski, well, in many other things people define the policy instead (like in Launchpad Translators group, we require people to sign up to the mailing list, and we try to ensure they are signed up before allowing their teams in); you could perhaps require main team contacts to have a visible email address instead
[13:52] <danilos> unfortunately, spamers are already creating accounts to harvest data from LP so less and less people will want that
[13:53] <czajkowski> danilos: yes I agree
[13:53] <czajkowski> which is why the bug is filed twice once on LP and once on the LD
[16:25] <stevebbbb> ignore
[16:39] <SteveExodus> "Before you add your key to Launchpad, you need to push it to the Ubuntu keyserver."
[16:39] <SteveExodus> how do I do this from a server command line ... without ubuntu desktop
[16:41] <maxb> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key keyid
[16:42] <SteveExodus> thanks max
[17:22] <poolie> jml, http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbp_/5866457867/in/photostream
[17:25] <jml> poolie: nice.
[17:26] <jml> poolie: happily, the Critical chart corresponds to my local data
[17:26] <jml> poolie: have you (pl.) had any thoughts on how to chart changes in bug life-span?
[18:05] <SteveExodus> email after dput says
[18:05] <SteveExodus> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found (Exit status 2) /exodus_11.5.28-1_source.changes has bad PGP/GnuPG signature!
[18:06] <SteveExodus> but it looks to be signed ok .. this is a new launchpad account
[18:09] <bigjools> SteveExodus: let me check something
[18:09] <bigjools> SteveExodus: oh that's *email*?
[18:10] <SteveExodus> yes
[18:10] <bigjools> SteveExodus: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/227
[18:11] <SteveExodus> thanks jools, I will look there in future too
[18:13] <bigjools> np
[18:14] <SteveExodus> but doesnt help ... I guess from the message that my public key has not made it from launchpad into the debian.org system that receives the uploads and that sent me the email
[18:26] <SteveExodus> got an u
[18:28] <SteveExodus> whats the relationship between launchpad and debian? might it take time for my new public key registered at launchpad to get to debian.org?
[18:33] <Ampelbein> SteveExodus: I don't think there is any exchange between launchpad and debian's keyring. If you are trying to upload to debian you have to be a debian developer (or debian maintainer).
[18:35] <SteveExodus> doh! thanks Ampel! I was pleasantly surprised to imagine the degree of cooperation between ubuntu and debian ... but of course there isnt
[18:37] <Ampelbein> SteveExodus: the two projects have a different approach regarding package maintainership, release process, bug status and thus it would be unwise to have developers in one being auto-added to the other.
[18:38] <SteveExodus> yes ... totally understandable .. it is pleasing to see that the uploading system at least is somewhat similar!
[18:39] <Ampelbein> SteveExodus: well, ubuntu is based on debian, so that's no wonder there ;-)
[18:39] <SteveExodus> i forgot that I am working on a debian kvm right now ... it seems dput knows the debian.org address
[18:41] <SteveExodus> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net ... in .dput.cf ... I guess is being ignored
[21:34] <SteveExodus> fantastic! first upload build and deployment out of launchpad. thanks guys and gal!
[21:55] <Ursinha> that gal was for me? :)
[22:07] <czajkowski> I really hate the status on lp Won't Fix so unfriendly
[22:13] <maxb> czajkowski: Sometimes maintainers of a project will disagree with a request - better that Launchpad model that explicitly than trying to hide it
[22:13] <czajkowski> cant fix is a better wording
[22:14] <czajkowski> or effects other things that over all would feck things up
[22:14] <czajkowski> but wont is so harsh
[22:32] <persia> So, "Won't Fix" tends to indicate a disagreement with the point, which leads to useful discussion.  "Can't fix" implies it's impossible, so there's no discussion.
[22:33] <maxb> Also, I'd rather be told up front that something won't be done than have it ignored
[22:33] <maxb> Sometimes it's not harsh, it's just practical
[22:34] <czajkowski> persia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/801514 my bug in question
[22:34] <persia> The trick is distinguishing "I don't feel like it" from "This is intentional behaviour" or "Given two poor choices, this is the way we're going".
[22:34] <czajkowski> persia: just annoying as in many ticket systems I've used never seen won't fix except in LP
[22:35] <maxb> czajkowski: What you requested there wouldn't even accomplish what you wanted, anyway
[22:35] <persia> I think it's more honest than "notabug", which is how some systems express the concept.
[22:36] <persia> czajkowski, In the case of 801514, I think the bug is in the use of "contact address" to describe the concept LP is trying to express.
[22:36] <czajkowski> maxb: I suppose in all honesty it's more a of a wishlist
[22:36] <czajkowski> than a bug
[22:37] <maxb> czajkowski: Bugzilla has WONTFIX.
[22:37] <czajkowski> but wont fix is stil a status I feel is not friendly
[22:37] <persia> Given the existence of LP-hosted mailing lists, this probably ought be always either NULL or the team ML.  Mind you, there's too much legacy data with uses that violate the LP ML model for this to work.
[22:37] <czajkowski> maxb: this isn't bugzilla!
[22:37] <czajkowski> persia: issue came today when I had to contact 40 teams and many had no team contact filled in
[22:38] <maxb> czajkowski: You implied Launchpad was unique in your experience in having a Won't Fix status
[22:38] <persia> czajkowski, How would you recommend expressing "We acknowledge this issue, but neither are going to invest resources to solve it as described nor accept patches to solve it as described"?
[22:38] <czajkowski> meh tis filed as invalid now so nout can do
[22:38] <czajkowski> maxb: no I implied that in the many I've used it's rare fine bugzilla is another lets not split hairs.
[22:38] <maxb> czajkowski: You don't seem to have understood the comments on your bug explaining that your request *would not accomplish what you want it to*
[22:38] <persia> czajkowski, Right.  You want a way to contact a team lead or something, which isn't what LP means by "Contact".
[22:39] <SteveExodus> "won't take action" is perhaps more accurate
[22:39] <SteveExodus> "fix" states there is a problem
[22:39] <persia> SteveExodus, that misses the aspect of blocking others from taking action without forking.
[22:39] <czajkowski> SteveExodus: yes wont take action would be nicer/friendlier
[22:39] <SteveExodus> ok ... just a comment
[22:40] <SteveExodus> wont fix .. is two statements in one
[22:40] <SteveExodus> the implied message is "there is a problem .. but for reason unstated ... nothing is going to be done"
[22:41] <persia> czajkowski, I'd recommend taking maxb's comment (#3), and filing a *new* bug, asking for a way to identify a "front desk" for a team, which would be a LP Person object (real person or team) that is responsible for handling incoming requests.
[22:41] <SteveExodus> two words ... saying more than they are intended to I am guessing
[22:41] <maxb> czajkowski: I think you're missing what truly matters by complaining about the friendliness of a two word status id
[22:41] <czajkowski> maxb: ok
[22:41] <persia> Then the front desk "Contact Address" could reach the entire front desk team, or just contact the person, if there is a person, rather than a team, as the front desk.
[22:41] <czajkowski> persia: ok thanks will do
[22:42] <maxb> Although, even if such a thing existed, it wouldn't make sense to make specifying one mandatory in the Launchpad object model
[22:42] <persia> No promises it will work, but it at least starts a discussion about the feature you want without getting into the historical mess that is "contact address".
[22:42] <czajkowski> persia: you in Dublin next week ?
[22:43] <persia> Chances are fairly high (t < 0.05 of not being there)
[22:43] <SteveExodus> lol
[22:43] <maxb> I think the proper action here is that the LoCo Team Directory should enforce whatever data it wants to be mandatory when creating entries
[22:43] <czajkowski> persia: that's ok I wont be either seeing as I live in London
[22:43] <czajkowski> was going to give you a list of places to go if you were going
[22:44] <persia> maxb, it's probably worth filing a bug about the semantic confusion.  You know what "Contact Address" means, but that is apparently not clear to some users.
[22:44] <SteveExodus> only 15ms away from me
[22:44] <czajkowski> maxb: it pulls it in from lp when you create the team
[22:44] <persia> czajkowski, If I'm there, I'm unlikely to spend more than a couple hours outside the hotel, based on past experience.
[22:44] <persia> (but thanks for the offer).
[22:45] <maxb> The description under the field at https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam is fairly clear
[22:45] <czajkowski> SteveExodus: you;re in dublin ?
[22:45] <SteveExodus> no that is umm 40ms away
[22:45] <maxb> czajkowski: Well, in that case, it should not pull it in, as the field in Launchpad means something considerably different to what the LoCo directory seems to want it to mean
[22:45] <persia> maxb, That's interpretable as being *either* a front desk or a means to contact everyone.  Needs rewording.
[22:46] <SteveExodus> lets say Oxford
[22:46] <persia> maxb, If it weren't confusing, 801514 would never have been filed.
[22:46] <czajkowski> persia: this is because of this rant today http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/06/24/making-contact-with-team-contacts-should-be-easy/
[22:46] <persia> Just pretend you know "Contact Address" means "Front Desk", and read the description again.
[22:47] <SteveExodus> I just got my first package deploying out of lp today .. am v v happy
[22:47] <czajkowski> persia: fine so next time you're in London ping me and we shall do tea
[22:47] <persia> I haven't been in London in a couple decades :)
[22:47] <czajkowski> persia: you're impossible!
[22:48] <persia> No.  I just seem to have a habit of never ending up travelling to wherever you live.
[22:48] <X3lectric> I would gladly never go to London for the rest of my live
[22:48] <SteveExodus> may I ask ... is it possible to deploy to debian systems out of lp too?
[22:49] <SteveExodus> the lib dependencies are slightly different of course .. as i found out when I tried
[22:49] <X3lectric> its possible via bazar if you know how to do recipes
[22:49] <maxb> SteveExodus: If you mean PPAs, then no.
[22:49] <SteveExodus> yes ppa .. thanks
[22:49] <X3lectric> yes you can via bazar+recipes
[22:50] <SteveExodus> ok i'll look ... thanks
[22:50] <maxb> Central London has too many people in it. I like living nearer the edges. And ping time to Launchpad is awesome :-)
[22:51] <X3lectric> I live near Gatwick thats close enough
[22:51] <SteveExodus> best to live in the centre of the city when young and gradually move out as you age
[22:51] <SteveExodus> and end up in the sticks when youre old lol
[22:51] <X3lectric> you have to be filthy rich to grow up in centre of london
[22:51] <SteveExodus> im near Cirencester
[22:52] <X3lectric> on that note nite bite
[22:52] <SteveExodus> gn
[22:52] <SteveExodus> thanks
[22:52] <X3lectric> good luck
[23:58] <zooko> Folks: is it just me or is this page missing a way to open new bug reports? http://zooko.com/pubscratch/2011-06-24-165648_1440x900_scrot.png
[23:58] <zooko> (This is the Twisted bug tracker on launchpad.)
[23:58] <zooko> Oh, weird -- I had to click on "Bugs" in the toolbar at the top even though it was already highlighted as though it were already selected.
[23:59] <zooko> Shall I open a ticket against launchpad?


[00:40] <ubuntunoob> hello everyone
[00:41] <ubuntunoob> is posible to instal the lates gnome shell on this distro?
[00:43] <ubuntunoob> anyone?
[00:43] <ubuntunoob> hello
[00:43] <tommie-lie> use the gnome3 ppa
[00:43] <tommie-lie> it's on 3.8
[00:45] <ubuntunoob> tankyou
[00:53] <darkxst> jbicha, have you tried gnome-shell 3.6 on saucy since gtk landed?
[00:55] <jbicha> darkxst: yes this weekend
[00:55] <jbicha> it's very broken, right?
[00:56] <darkxst> jbicha, yes very broken
[00:57] <jbicha> I guess bug 1184132 is one factor but I couldn't click or enter text in gdm
[00:57] <jbicha> and even using lightdm, gnome-shell was so slow as to be nearly useless so I've just been using Unity on LightDM the past 2 days
[00:58] <darkxst> jbicha, that is because its getting stuck trying to read the mouse pointer position ;(
[00:58] <jbicha> I guess we never tested gnome-shell 3.6 with gtk 3.8; it was just gnome-shell 3.8 with gtk 3.6 that was tested
[01:00] <jbicha> no, not that either
[01:01] <jbicha> did you have a fix in mind or were you just going to wait for gnome-shell 3.8?
[01:02] <jbicha> I guess we're blocked on gsettings-desktop-schemas and gnome-desktop3
[01:06] <darkxst> yeh, probably not worth fixing really, so best to get 3.8 in
[01:08] <jbicha> I'll look at the schemas, but I'm hesitant about gnome-desktop3 because of gnome-settings-daemon like I mentioned in the 3.8 blueprint
[01:11] <darkxst> right, g-c-c is probably affected as well
[01:15] <darkxst> actually not, that was 3.9 I was thinking of for g-c-c
[01:35] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696035
[02:41] <jbicha> ok I have a branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/saucy/gsettings-desktop-schemas/update-to-3-8/ but let's wait for gnome-desktop3 first to avoid http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=701619
[07:18] <IdleOne> Could someone tell me what I use to install nvidia drivers? I was expecting to find something like jockey-gtk
[07:18] <darkxst> IdleOne, it was moved into "software and updates"
[07:18] <IdleOne> ah, thank you
[07:20] <IdleOne> just installed after having been using kubuntu for the past 1.5 years.
[07:20] <IdleOne> like the look so far :)
[09:24] <meet_> will 13.10 include gnome 3.8 by default?
[09:28] <darkxst> meet_, yes
[09:35] <meet_> darkxst: is 3.8 as stable as 3.6? should I upgrade?
[09:35] <darkxst> 3.8 is not in 13.10 yet, but you can get it from gnome3 ppa
[09:36] <darkxst> it is atleast as stable as 3.6
[09:38] <DarkEra> expect the nm-applet to crash after loading of the desktop. Doesn't happen always though
[09:38] <meet_> thanks..
[09:40] <darkxst> DarkEra, you are using unity?
[09:41] <meet_> no..gnome3.6
[09:41] <DarkEra> darkxst, i use ubuntu gnome 13.04 with the gnome ppa added, so upgraded to 3.8
[09:42] <DarkEra> used*
[09:42] <darkxst> DarkEra, but gnome-shell doesnt use nm-applet
[09:42] <meet_> btw the last time I tried gnome 3.8 it did not have clocks in it. Has clocks been removed?
[09:43] <darkxst> gnome-clocks is on the ppa
[09:43] <darkxst> but you probably need to install it
[09:44] <DarkEra> it doesn't? Must be something else then what's network related
[09:45] <darkxst> DarkEra, it talks directly to network manager, (i.e. doesnt use the applet)
[09:46] <DarkEra> i can't fully understand though why Unity is installed too on a gnome 3 environment, is that about to change in the future?
[09:47] <darkxst> Unity, is not installed when you install with ubuntu GNOME images
[09:47] <DarkEra> well, why is unity in the session menu then
[09:48] <darkxst> you installed it?
[09:48] <DarkEra> no
[09:48] <darkxst> or you started with a normal ubuntu install?
[09:49] <darkxst> or something else you installed pulled it in, but its definately not there on a clean UG install
[09:49] <DarkEra> nope, installed from a UG 13.04 iso
[09:50] <DarkEra> it came later on with updates
[09:50] <DarkEra> also in 13.10 unity is pulled in when installing gnome from a minimal installation
[09:53] <darkxst> I have not seen that, I am on 13.10
[09:54] <DarkEra> i saw it being pulled in in both cases
[09:55] <darkxst> DarkEra, file a bug
[09:55] <DarkEra> i cant' start 13.10 though
[09:55] <darkxst> 13.10 is a little broken this week, will only work with gnome3 ppa installed
[09:56] <darkxst> the new gtk is in, but that breaks the 3.6 shell
[09:58] <darkxst> DarkEra, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+filebug
[10:02] <DarkEra> darkxst, sorry, something went wrong here so i disconnected. But yeah we know it's still broken. Hope it's getting fixed soon though :)
[10:05] <DarkEra> darkxst, by the way, if it shouldn't be the case then i ask myself why i was told this was normal that unity got pulled in a few weeks ago
[10:06] <DarkEra> going to file a bug anyway when i have the time
[10:09] <darkxst> well it shouldn't!
[10:12] <DarkEra> i fired up a session from usb stick with 13.04 at the moment and you are right, there's no Unity session on it.
[10:28] <meet_> I upgrade to 3.8 using gnome3 ppa.. but I am not getting all the gnome3.8 features.. like no settings for notification or search .. do I have to add anything more?
[11:46] <phlo> hello
[11:47] <phlo> I got an error once in a while when my screen is locked that I can't unlock, it always show authentication failed, even I am not able to type any password. Does anyone has and idea, why?
[13:15] <erbo> phlo: nope, but it happened to me once last week
[13:26] <phlo> google does also not show something usefull :-(
[14:21] <matanya> hello there! thanks for ubuntu-gnome
[14:22] <matanya> darkxst: congrtz
[14:22] <matanya> jbicha: thanks for your work
[17:32] <FrozenFire> Anyone else encounter the issue of Ubuntu Software Center glitching out on .deb files? When I open a .deb, USC opens, loads the package, then closes.
[17:32] <FrozenFire> The second load, it loads fine
[17:32] <FrozenFire> But first load of any .deb, it closes.
[17:32] <FrozenFire> I'll see about loading it in the terminal to see if there's an error, but wondered if anyone was aware of this being an issue
[19:12] <vooze> After installing 13.04 fine and upgrading to gtk/gnome 3.8 with gnome3 ppa, I some how can't change the mutter theme (gtk is fine) I have tried 3 themes, so its not the themes fault. What could I have done wrong?
[19:41] <matanya> darkxst: are you around?
[21:13] <darkxst> matanya, hi
[21:13] <matanya> hi darkxst
[21:13] <matanya> just wanted to thank you for your work and wish you luck in your new position
[21:14] <matanya> + rant on some bugs, if you are in the mood :)
[21:15] <darkxst> thanks ;)
[21:15] <darkxst> sure, fire away
[21:16] <matanya> darkxst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1096901
[21:17] <matanya> from a survey i did, it is one of the most annoying ones upon multilingual  users
[21:17] <matanya> + i understand it is caused by an old ibus shipped with ubuntu, is that correct?
[21:17] <darkxst> matanya, yes, its also one of the most annoying from our side too, very tricky to fix
[21:18] <darkxst> yes due to old ibus
[21:18] <matanya> i was afraid you would say that
[21:18] <matanya> what ibus version is needed?
[21:18] <darkxst> it should be fixed in 13.10 though
[21:18] <matanya> it is around since 12.10, iirc
[21:21] <darkxst> 1.5.x


[05:04] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:05] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: o/
[05:46] <ShellcatZero2> I'm trying to get pxe working for the first time. From what I've seen, everything illustrates how you serve server images from the pxe. Is there any reason you can't serve a desktop iso like Xubuntu?
[10:36] <athos> good morning :)
[10:38] <utkarsh2102> athos: yoyo
[12:00] <ahasenack> morning
[12:52] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: hellu!
[12:52] <ahasenack> hi there utkarsh2102
[13:03] <ahasenack> is there a way to tell if a loaded module was loaded with certain options?
[13:03] <ahasenack> kernel module
[13:03] <ahasenack> or do we have to rely on dmesg messages for that, if the module prints something about the options?
[13:03] <ahasenack> I have a /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf file with the option set, but I'm not seeing the behavior I'm expecting
[13:04] <ahasenack> hm, it may also be that the module is being loaded in the initramfs...
[13:04]  * ahasenack tries updating it
[13:04] <ahasenack> hopefully update-initramfs takes /etc/modprobe.d/* into account
[13:33] <ahasenack> yeah, can't get it to work. Either the option doesn't work, or it's not being applied. Can't tell the difference
[13:34] <ahasenack> aha, welcome /sys/modules/<module-name>/parameters !
[13:38] <lucasmoura> Hi @paride and @rbasak, we have created the MRs for UA release 27.8. Here is the MR for the Jammy release: https://code.launchpad.net/~lamoura/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+git/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+merge/419498
[13:38] <lucasmoura> Please let us know is there is anything we to address for the release
[13:50] <rbasak> ack


[01:27] <magnon> anyone around? :)
[01:29] <ogra> yup...
[01:30] <magnon> I'm working for a company that runs an ubuntu/ltsp network in some schools, but we havent gotten off of our asses to get into edubuntu
[01:31] <magnon> so, I'll be testing it as good as I can up to release so that we might use it already in october, I just wondered if someone could quickly tell me what work has been done the past months
[01:32] <ogra> we have developed a new fully encrypted version of ltsp that works with the ubuntu packages ...
[01:33] <ogra> the CD will install a single ltsp server by default, you only have to give a handfull of answers in the installer...
[01:34] <magnon> sweet, that eases some need to be careful with the data
[01:34] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ has some initial screenshots
[01:34] <ogra> yup...
[01:34] <ogra> its a simple ssh tunnel...
[01:35] <ogra> additionally it will be fully upgradeable over the releases, like ubuntu itself...
[01:36] <magnon> I see you got Knut trolling the mailing list already :
[01:36] <magnon> :D
[01:36] <ogra> heh
[01:36] <ogra> yup
[01:36] <magnon> had some arguments with him a few years ago on skolelinux vs. my idea, glad to see edubuntu coming, fits very well with that
[01:37] <magnon> do you know where I can find a package listing of the additions in edubuntu vs. main?
[01:37] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[01:38] <ogra> vs. http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/breezy/desktop
[01:38] <magnon> awesome :)
[01:38] <ogra> additionally: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[01:38] <ogra> which has no comparison candidate on the ubuntu side...
[01:38] <magnon> no huge diffs on the server side
[01:39] <ogra> only the basics...
[01:39] <magnon> great
[01:39] <magnon> the closer it is to an escalation agreement, the better :)
[01:39] <ogra> i tried to get mediawiki in for wikipedia support out of the box, but the security team complained
[01:40] <ogra> so i'll add moin to have a wiki ... thats going on the CD tomorrow...
[01:41] <magnon> offline wikipedia? (read about that somewhere)
[01:41] <Burgundavia> ouch
[01:42] <ogra> yup, thats what i wanted..
[01:42] <ogra> you could order a DVD with the data and just drop it into the server...
[01:43] <magnon> I guess that's a good thing for anyone with english as their first language and also a bad net connection ;)
[01:43] <ogra> yup
[01:43] <ogra> but you can also get other languages afaik
[01:43] <magnon> yeah, none covers a million articles though :)
[01:44] <magnon> especially norwegian (30k)
[01:44] <ogra> oh...
[01:44] <magnon> kids learn english fast enough anyway :)
[01:45] <ogra> heh, true
[01:45] <magnon> anyway, thanks for a quick update
[01:45] <magnon> more importantly, what work is getting done for release?
[01:46] <magnon> I'll be setting up a "test lab" (2-3 machines) tomorrow and start looking at it, test the basics etc., and hopefully get myself involved in the process itself asap :)
[01:46] <magnon> if I manage to make a difference before release, it'd be awesome
[01:47] <magnon> brb
[01:47] <ogra> the CD is in a bad state currently, i'd suggest to wait till the weekend...
[01:52] <magnon> what if I download an older working one and dist-upgrade?
[01:54] <ogra> the current X server autodetection doesnt work, thats a showstopper for ltsp currently...
[01:54] <magnon> oo.
[01:54] <ogra> it doesnt matter if you take a old or new CD here, since ltsp still gets built from the net...
[01:54] <ogra> so it always has the newst X :/
[01:55] <magnon> aha
[01:55] <ogra> newest
[01:55] <magnon> well I suppose I could wait a few days :)
[01:55] <ogra> this will change to CD soon...
[01:57] <magnon> sounds good
[01:58] <magnon> we're settling a deal with a net provider these days, so for me, stuff of the net doesnt hurt :P
[01:58] <magnon> by the way, you're hired by canonical, right?
[01:58] <ogra> yup
[01:59] <magnon> do you know if you guys have any plans to expand the escalation support to packages that will be in edubuntu?
[02:00] <ogra> all apps we ship on the CD have to be in the supported set, its a requirement :)
[02:00] <magnon> oh, good
[02:01] <magnon> we wanted to put all our machines under an escalation agreement with you guys (we're small and fragile :), and I wouldnt want edubuntu to hurt that
[02:01] <ogra> the CD would have been done in a week ro two if this wasnt the case ;)
[02:01] <magnon> hehe
[02:02] <magnon> what do you do about the rest? make an eduniverse or something?
[02:02] <ogra> most of my work with edubuntu development was bureaucracy :)
[02:02] <ogra> edubuntu is 100% ubuntu, so you can use universe as in ubuntu
[02:03] <magnon> (what I mean is, it can of course be in the normal universe, but not all people know that the program they are looking for is just an apt-get install longandtediouspackagename away)
[02:03] <magnon> what I am REALLY trying to say, is, have you thought of a metapackage with edu-friendly non-main extras :P
[02:03] <magnon> 2am >_<
[02:03] <ogra> edubuntu has the same settings in synptic unbuntu has... its two mouseclicks to enable universe ;)
[02:03] <ogra> here too ;)
[02:03] <Burgundavia> and g-a-i even tells you what you need to add and how to do it
[02:03] <magnon> the package name is still long and tedious :P
[02:04] <ogra> did you try gnome-app-install ? its the next generation package manager in ubuntu
[02:04] <magnon> trust me, some of our customers wouldnt be able to find a program in synaptic even if I held their hand
[02:04] <ogra> it reflects the menu... you just have to set/remove checkmarks next to the apps ...
[02:05] <magnon> ah
[02:05] <magnon> oh! right!
[02:05] <magnon> one thing
[02:05] <ogra> its very easy... but a bit restricted to gui apps indeec
[02:05] <magnon> yeah, that doesnt matter
[02:05] <magnon> what isnt a gui app is uninteresting to them
[02:05] <ogra> heh
[02:06] <magnon> anyway, is there any work done on separating user types etc.?
[02:06] <magnon> students and teachers might need different permissions and programs, students of different age too - just wondered if someone thought up a sexy solution to that
[02:07] <ogra> i played with sabayon, but it doesnt look ready for this release... we have different user groups though (admin, desktop, defaul)
[02:07] <magnon> the user template stuff (which was originally intended for breezy I believe) looked promising, but I havent looked more into it
[02:08] <ogra> it is in, but the menu entrys for the apps need to be tagged for it... i'm not sure if this will happen, its extremely time intensive
[02:09] <magnon> as long as the possibility to tag them is there, I'm happy
[02:09] <ogra> but if it gets in (not my area) non admin users wont see any non admin stuff by default
[02:09] <ogra> bu i'm aiming for sabayon, really...
[02:10] <magnon> ok
[02:10] <ogra> you can make user profiles in a xnest window via drag and drop
[02:10] <ogra> its extremely easy to use :)
[02:11] <magnon> yeah
[02:11] <magnon> I tried it out when seth made his first post about it
[02:11] <magnon> somewhat buggy but :)
[02:12] <magnon> I dont think I will see teachers doing that stuff though
[02:12] <ogra> sadly the xnest stuff doesnt work with our ltsp, i havent found the reason yet, but i think it starts it as :1 locally... that doesnt work through the tunnel
[02:12] <magnon> if they could do it all, I'd be unemployed :)
[02:12] <ogra> nope, but school admins
[02:13] <magnon> currently, with our customers (theyre not very large schools though)
[02:13] <magnon> we get there a day a week, or half a day, depending on how much they need us, and we have a local geek-teacher who we train a bit
[02:14] <magnon> thus, they can work it out on a daily basis so I dont have to be on the phone with people not managing to open a .doc, the school doesnt have to pay anyone full time to be an it admin, just a few hours more (4-6 hours a week is good) to that teacher
[02:15] <magnon> and, they have us on a weekly basis + a support agreement
[02:15] <magnon> which is again, on the software side, soon to be backed up by you *points* ;)
[02:16] <ogra> :)
[02:17] <magnon> unfortunately we might have to up our prices to the end user a bit after new years, we've been a bit too nice on the schools
[02:18] <magnon> but they mostly agree that if they pay a bit more and we can provide stronger equipment and support, they'll be better off when an  unexpected situation comes
[02:18] <ogra> you will still be cheaper than a MS consultancy company :)
[02:18] <magnon> true, hehe
[02:20] <magnon> its very rewarding to see linux usage rise and be usable in schools, but I need scrambled eggs for breakfast to keep my head up
[02:21] <magnon> and a bike
[02:21] <magnon> do you have any edubuntu-esque things I can start looking at by the way?
[02:22] <magnon> I'll be able to use some 10-15 hours a week (more, but not as "work" ;) on testing and developing edubuntu, so if there's any work needed to be done, yell
[02:22] <magnon> if you don't know atm, I'll stay in the channel later so you can yell at any time :P
[02:25] <ogra> great...
[02:25] <ogra> i'm about to fall asleep over my keyboard... i'll come back to you, be sure ;)
[02:26] <magnon> ha
[02:26] <magnon> go meditate ;)
[02:26] <magnon> 15 minutes of clearing the head feels like several hours of sleep to me
[04:53] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[01:48] <jsgotangco> hmm
[01:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i spoked to 140 students!!!!
[01:51] <JaneW> does anyone know where I can get some standard (and official sounding) text for our artwork section for people to acknowledge that they are giving us their work to include in the edubuntu release?
[01:51] <JaneW> cool well done jsgotangco
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i didnt even break a sweat
[01:53] <jsgotangco> hah
[01:55] <JaneW> good for you
[01:55] <JaneW> (is it cold today?) ;)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> well
[01:56] <jsgotangco> i think i did good
[01:56] <jsgotangco> they gave me a bottle of wine
[01:56] <jsgotangco> (dunno why)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> but since it was a very newbie audience, i didnt really go into details of Ubuntu
[01:57] <jsgotangco> i basically talked about free software and demo'ed the OpenCD
[01:58] <jsgotangco> all-in-one IMs seem to be incredibly popular among teens
[02:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well if you want us to give you a bottle of wine you have to PUNT ubuntu ;)
[02:04] <jsgotangco> well the OpenCD is a canonical sponsored product ATM
[02:06] <JaneW> ogra: does what Mithrandir is saying in #c makes sense to you?
[02:07] <magnon> jsgotangco: girls <3 gaim
[02:07] <magnon> that's just how it works
[02:08] <magnon> every place I've worked on where I demoed anything, I always included gaim, and girls love it
[02:08] <magnon> had to break down and say there was a windows version unfortunately
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, nope
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, but he hasnt undestood yet...
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: I thought not - but didn;t want to discount the possibility that maybe it was just me not understanding...
[02:09] <ogra> he thinks about themes
[02:12] <jsgotangco> #c?
[02:12] <jsgotangco> ah canonical
[02:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[02:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[02:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: ping
[02:26] <highvoltage> sorry, screen giving me problems :)
[02:28] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[02:28] <JaneW> as creative director... I need help with licensing for our user contributed artwork
[02:28] <JaneW> hiw much do you know about licensing?
[02:29] <JaneW> I have found: http://artlibre.org/licence.php/lalgb.html , which looks like it may be something we can use ...?
[02:29] <ogra> JaneW, lets use a widely known license like the GFDL or GPL rather
[02:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: we need  to get some standard (and official sounding) text for us to use in our edubuntu artwork section, to allow people to acknowledge that they are giving us their work to include in the edubuntu release?
[02:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: I think either Gnu free doc license, or creative commons sharealike by attribution
[02:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: I want to oublish this on the wiki and ask them to cut and paste it into the mail they send their work to me in, as explicit agreement
[02:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with ogra, gfdl is good (first choice in my opinion), and the cc-sa-by is close second.
[02:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: I just don;t know enough about this...
[02:31] <highvoltage> ogra: how do you feel about the cc license?
[02:31] <highvoltage> ogra: it's basically the same
[02:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: just a minute...
[02:32] <ogra> its ok too, but the docteam had objections for some flavors
[02:32] <JaneW> ok       Copyright (c)  YEAR  YOUR NAME.
[02:32] <JaneW>       Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
[02:32] <JaneW>       under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2
[02:32] <JaneW>       or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation;
[02:32] <JaneW>       with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover
[02:32] <JaneW> 	 Texts.  A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU
[02:32] <ogra> so i'd go with the gfdl... its safe
[02:32] <JaneW>       Free Documentation License".
[02:32] <ogra> yup
[02:33] <JaneW> cool, ok, and what about 'and I declare this is my own work' or some such?
[02:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/
[02:33] <highvoltage> that's the cc license, it's in human readable and in legalese.
[02:33] <JaneW> so which shall we use?
[02:34] <ogra> :)
[02:34] <highvoltage> mixing non-gfdl with gfdl is often difficult, which is why gfdl gets first choice.
[02:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: read both licenses, it's generally a good idea :)
[02:35] <JaneW> any more votes?
[02:35] <JaneW> (please don;t let this be like the blue fish voting!!)
[02:35] <ogra> JaneW, your boilerplate needs a hint where you can get the license
[02:36] <ogra>  A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU
[02:36] <ogra>  Free Documentation License" isnt enough
[02:36] <JaneW> ok gdfl it is... I don't have time to study through them now (but I must sometime soon)
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: I'll make a link to it...
[02:36] <ogra> yup
[02:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: when you get to know me better, you'll realise that i tend to go for the GNU stuff. When in doubt, choose GNU!
[02:36] <JaneW> ok
[02:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's perhaps better to put the license on the wiki
[02:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: like on socks: http://socks.tsf.org.za
[02:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: and then people who upload things, acknowledge that they do so according to the license, and that they're not uploading documents that have an incompatible license.
[02:38] <ogra> i'm very astonished there is no license already... thats not common
[02:39] <highvoltage> i wouldn't mind putting it on there tonight.
[02:39] <highvoltage> my internet at home is working again.
[02:39] <highvoltage> also gnu fdl, i assume?
[02:40] <magnon> morning ogra
[02:40] <magnon> *stretch*
[02:40] <ogra> hi
[02:41] <jsgotangco> oh my god this is ugly
[02:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW: that guide is 156 pages oh my
[02:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yup!
[02:50] <JaneW> highvoltage/ogra: please see http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork
[02:50] <jsgotangco> JaneW: kill me instead
[02:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW: silbs is creeping over the docteam lately...so things have been hectic on my side not to mention my speaking engagements...
[02:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am just concerned that GFDL seems to be specifically for TEXT
[02:51] <jsgotangco> and the docteam at the moment is like 3 people...
[02:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm not sure how nice that will work though.
[02:52] <jsgotangco> its getting much worse than actually having a job...
[02:52] <ogra> JaneW, lest make sure elmo is fine with the licensing paragraph...
[02:52] <highvoltage> ogra: does it qualify as a legal agreement if it's not digitally signed?
[02:53] <ogra> i hope so... :)
[02:53] <JaneW> ogra: agreed, but I am not being funny when I say that elmo completely ignores me...
[02:53] <ogra> else we'll never have any artwork... i doubt many users have gpg sigs
[02:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: i got some response out of him last week :P
[02:53] <JaneW> ogra: never responds to e-mails or irc pings or anything
[02:53] <ogra> hmm
[02:53] <jsgotangco> you can try fighting him
[02:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: the time of day seems to be important. 11PM on a tuesday evening is good, it seems :)
[02:55] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I fear his wrath
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:57] <highvoltage> hehe, from ubuntu-motu:
[02:57] <highvoltage> 14:50 < ivoks> i hope elmo isn't ignoring me
[02:57] <highvoltage> 14:50 < ivoks> i just never get any feedback from him :/
[02:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i fear the cookbook will have to wait i have too much in my hands at the moment
[02:58] <JaneW> lol
[02:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: Im about to start clean up on the documents later for preview release
[02:58] <JaneW> tragetted even
[02:58] <JaneW> TARGETTED
[02:58] <JaneW> whatever :P
[02:59] <jsgotangco> oh we asked elmo before on a domain name redirect and it probably took a month
[03:01] <highvoltage> then i better ask him today for the edubuntu site / wiki redirect stuff.
[03:02] <JaneW> lol
[03:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: and access to immutable pages on the wiki...
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:02] <jsgotangco> good luck
[03:02] <jsgotangco> even henrick has no admin access on the ubuntu wiki
[03:03] <highvoltage> ogra: what do you think about that gnome folder icon JaneW sent? i think it's an improvement.
[03:03] <ogra> jup...
[03:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: what's that bottom banner called on the socks page, with the license info in it?
[03:03] <JaneW> and
[03:04] <JaneW> ogra: wtf is a boilerplate?
[03:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: the creative commons give that to you. the boilerplate is that page that explains the license in human readable form, i think.
[03:04] <ogra> a template
[03:05] <highvoltage> ogra: replacing that icon in the gartoon gnome icon package, can I do it?
[03:05] <JaneW> ok, I am a liitle confussed, I don;t see that GFDL gives you any image licensing
[03:05] <highvoltage> it covers the images too.
[03:06] <JaneW> ogra: and would we need permission from that guy to use the icon?
[03:06] <ogra> highvoltage, sure... look at uuencode... you  have to put it uuencoded in the debian dir and uudecode and copy it at build time
[03:06] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[03:06] <highvoltage>  ok. i'll do that. might have to ask you more about that tonight.
[03:06] <JaneW> SIGH
[03:06] <ogra> highvoltage, no problem
[03:07] <highvoltage> ogra++
[03:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: what now? :)
[03:08] <JaneW> silbs hey all - if anyone feels like voting, Ubuntu has been nominated as Best OS at www.linuxawards.co.uk
[03:10] <highvoltage> well, technically speaking, there's no such thing as a "Best OS".
[03:10] <ogra> hmm, it doesnt offer the other nominations... i have no idea about uk ISPs
[03:10] <highvoltage> there is a right tool for the job though, which is Ubuntu in most cases, imho. :)
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: I just put ubuntu for everything
[03:11] <JaneW> except corporate - there I put Canonical
[03:12] <JaneW> not that I am biased or anything ;)
[03:14] <ogra> err, ubuntu as ISP ?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> you can just put MSN heh
[03:15] <highvoltage> i would just enter "private" there.
[03:15] <ogra> i was thinking about german telecom *g*
[03:15] <ogra> i think they offer ISP hosting in uk :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> Bt?
[03:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: as penance can you sort out this licinsing issue we have?
[03:20] <JaneW> I will then solicit ppl for more artwork, which we can then use legally
[03:20] <JaneW> we need to sort this out asap
[03:22] <jsgotangco> hmm AndyFitz's usplash are nice
[03:24] <highvoltage> ok
[03:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: why do you die after seeing the howto?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i'm just too loaded on docteam work atm and haven't been updating our cookbook
[03:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, i like the image we use currently much more...
[03:28] <ogra> even if its a bit blurry and dithered...
[03:29] <ogra> but the ubuntu in the dark with the mirroring looks quite cool i think
[03:29] <jsgotangco> the usplash should mix well with gdm though
[03:29] <jsgotangco> or else it wont look consistent
[03:34] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:44] <JaneW> I think I found our license... http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-gpl?lang=en
[03:45] <ogra> JaneW, looks good
[03:46] <JaneW> :))))
[03:48] <highvoltage> gpl++
[03:49] <highvoltage> some people feel it's strange to license documentation under gpl, but i think it works well.
[03:50] <highvoltage> although, some people feel that if you have gpl'd bitmaps, that you should also supply the vector (or source) versions.
[03:50] <highvoltage> which can be tough.
[03:58] <highvoltage> ok, bye.
[05:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: SYN
[05:08] <magnon> highvoltage: your name is disturbing
[05:09] <magnon> most of my day has been on the phone with a school customer of ours who, without warning us, put an unshielded cat-5 hanging from a 440V power line between two buildings
[05:10] <highvoltage> wow.
[05:11] <highvoltage> magnon: well, i do tend to shock people, now and again :)
[05:12] <magnon> :D
[05:18] <magnon> My company is looking for people to administer our cluebat, want to apply? :P
[06:15] <ogra> JaneW, *SIGH*
[06:16] <ogra> this license stuff is tiring
[06:16] <jsgotangco> hmmm?
[06:16] <jsgotangco> artwork licensing?
[06:18] <ogra> yup
[06:18] <jsgotangco> do we have lots of it?
[06:18] <ogra> i'm trying to get my edubuntu-artwork package in... elmo objects
[06:18] <ogra> nope, just the basic stuff...
[06:19] <ogra> gdm, splash, wallpaper ... and a script in the postinst to set the default icon theme...
[06:19] <jsgotangco> elmo objects because the contents of the package are not licensed accordingly?
[06:19] <ogra> i first had the wallpapers from the wiki in... but since they are not explicitly licensed they cant go in...
[06:20] <ogra> now i made the whole stuff myself and he says mark has to decide the license
[06:20] <ogra> but mark doesnt care at all... as i do :/
[06:20] <jsgotangco> elmo is just being sure of things
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i remember once AndyFitz asking on the same stuff about the font he was doing
[06:21] <ogra> yup
[06:21] <ogra> the fun is, that it holds up everything :(
[06:21] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:21] <jsgotangco> but then community submitted stuff is debatable for its very nature
[06:22] <jsgotangco> most of the people who contribute dont even give a damn on the licensing
[06:22] <jsgotangco> they just give it
[06:22] <ogra> yup
[06:22] <ogra> thats why i ripped out the community artwork for now...
[06:25] <JaneW> ogra: agreed
[06:28] <Petaris> highvoltage: ping
[06:29] <Petaris> highvolt1ge: ping
[06:30] <jsgotangco> JaneW: ack! i'm beginning to feel the wrath of silbs and mdz!
[06:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: now you know how I feel ;)
[06:31] <JaneW> *efg*
[06:31] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you have my sympathies though...
[06:31] <jsgotangco> i'm not even employed! *grin*
[06:31] <JaneW> oops gotta run - my kids are killing each other in the bath...
[06:34] <highvolt1ge> Petaris: hi
[06:34] <highvolt1ge> oops
[06:35] <highvoltage> Petaris: are you justin?
[06:36] <Petaris> yeah
[06:36] <Petaris> highvoltage: Yes, I am
[06:36] <highvoltage> cool.
[06:43] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: how are you feeling about edubuntu these days?
[06:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am still feeling nrevous and anxious - mainly because I haven't actually seen it yet
[06:44] <JaneW> there have been too many hurdles and roadblocks for my liking
[06:46] <highvoltage> my workload is decreasing heavily, from next week onward i'll be able to contribute more.
[06:46] <ogra> next release will be better
[06:46] <jsgotangco> JaneW: mdz's LTSP package work
[06:46] <highvoltage> ogra: i hope that will go without saying for every edubuntu release ;)
[06:47] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh yay, good, and thanks
[06:47] <ogra> highvoltage, next time we only have to add/remove stuff and care for new configuration...
[06:48] <ogra> as soon as we have a working base it gets trivial... we only have to make the right changes to the defaults of ubuntu packages and add them
[06:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:49] <ogra> it will be very different to this time...
[06:49] <jsgotangco> and the april release already has a stable base
[06:53] <jsgotangco> wow more than 600 died in iraq in a stampede that is sad...
[07:07] <jsgotangco> night


[05:29] <HolyEmo> hello o .o
[05:30] <HolyEmo> ehh its dead in here - .-
[05:30] <HolyEmo> *sighs*
[05:32] <Lordofsraam> wow
[05:32] <Lordofsraam> yeah
[05:33] <Lordofsraam> we need a little activity in here...