[08:08] <eoli3n> CarlFK: https://ptpb.pw/_1X5
[08:08] <eoli3n> the key is : preseed partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select biggest_free
[08:08] <eoli3n> and preseed partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic
[08:09] <eoli3n> which result by keeping sda1 as is, and create atomic install in the rest of the disk


[17:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- slyon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4498 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination


[00:21] <derekv> can get $(eval ) to do what I want
[00:29] <derekv> ok i'm sortof looking at it wrong I think
[00:45] <jrwren> rick_h_: what did I find?
[00:55] <derekv> damn i'm so obsessive... but I got it to work ( for bsd )
[00:57] <derekv> https://gist.github.com/3030284
[00:58] <derekv> so whats needed from here is no have an include file that defines install-program-template
[00:58] <derekv> for each platform
[00:58] <derekv> or just some sort of switch
[01:01] <derekv> in fact, you could probably define a template for each system
[01:01] <derekv> freebsd-ports-template , freebsd-pkg-template, apt-template, yum-template etc
[01:03] <derekv> then just assign the template to install-software-template with some sort switch on the system type
[01:08] <Ahuka> Is there a lo-co meeting here tonight?
[01:23] <Ahuka> OK, I will make a wild guess that there is no lo-co meeting tonight. CYa later.
[01:23] <derekv> there's a really cool web animation effect, on coderwall , if you add a protip then click preview, it does a 3d flip on the edit window to the preview window
[01:55] <jrwren> rick_h_: what is this dt sidebar in bookie (i am running my own)
[02:14] <jrwren> rick_h_: ha! your mysql bug was the leap second bug? http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=134113577921904&w=2
[02:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: it's the pyramid developer toolbar
[02:17] <rick_h_> it's listed in the .ini middleware section
[02:17] <rick_h_> meant to help trace performance, sql queries, etc for dev
[02:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, saw that. reboot fixed it on the laptop thankfully and my EC2 instances aren't running mysql
[02:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: so I'm wondering if the duplicates bug is related to this issue of urls coming in and their escaping
[02:20] <rick_h_> I'm working out getting things from a urlescaped source (bookmarklet) into the template (template escaping) and then back to an API request to readable.bmark.us (url escaped again)
[02:21] <rick_h_> and wonder if dupes are sneaking in somewhere in there because it thinks the urls are different
[02:21] <jrwren> you are getting dupes since you cleaned 'em?
[02:22] <rick_h_> no, I shouldn't but at some point that thing that caused the dupes will throw an application error because I've added db constraints to not allow the dupes at the db level
[02:22] <rick_h_> so there's still a bug in the app logic somewhere I've not found yet
[02:22] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/LbPiD
[02:22] <rick_h_> amen! thought the same thing for early twitter ^^
[02:23] <rick_h_> jrwren: but after looking at this escaping bug some more I'm not sure it is the source. Will see, working on it, but not done yet.
[02:34] <derekv> so if I have a make recipie like  command || echo "I failed, try doing this ..."
[02:34] <derekv> then the echo has an ok exit status
[02:34] <derekv> but I want it to fail
[02:35] <rick_h_> (echo "I failed trying to do this && exit 1)
[02:38] <derekv> rick_h_: thanks
[02:39] <rick_h_> derekv: np
[02:39] <derekv> rick_h_: took me all afternoon but I got a pretty good makefile started now
[02:40] <derekv> how to use eval took me a while
[02:40] <rick_h_> very cool
[03:50] <derekv> whats wrong with if ![-d  $@] then clone $(MAGIT_REPO) $(first-word $^); fi
[03:50] <derekv> says unexpected fi expecting then
[03:52] <rick_h_> I think you need spaces ![ -d $@ ] but not sure tbh, my shell fu is weak
[03:53] <derekv> rick_h_: yea it has to do with the syntax in the conditional
[04:04] <jrwren> you need spaces, remember that [ is just a symlink to test.
[04:04] <jrwren> prefer [[ to [ or test if using bash
[04:04] <derekv> yea its the spaces
[04:04] <derekv> also the error was actually coming from elsewhere in the makefile
[04:04] <derekv> multiple errors
[04:04] <jrwren> if ![[ -d "" ]]; then echo hi ; fi
[04:05] <derekv> you need a space before the ]
[04:05] <snap-l> Happy Birthday, greg-g
[04:05] <derekv> and a ; before the then
[04:05] <snap-l> at least, in a few hours it will be, your time
[04:05] <jrwren> you done figured it out
[04:09] <derekv> if using \ at eol to split onelines, gotta watch out for a space after the \
[04:10] <jrwren> yeah, i have a vimrc line that highlight trailing whitespace
[04:39] <derekv> it lives ! https://gist.github.com/3030284 !!!!!
[10:41] <snap-l> Thank you, whomever used the referral link on Ting.com.
[10:44] <rick_h_> hah, congrats derekv !
[11:04] <snap-l> Gotta love the 4th of the July
[11:04] <snap-l> It's 7am and someone lit off a firework
[11:34] <rick_h_> yea, they've been going off for days around here
[11:35] <rick_h_> they setup a booth to sell them on the corner at the video store
[11:44] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm not opposed to them selling the fireworks
[11:44] <snap-l> I'm opposed to them setting them off at 7am. ;)
[11:49] <rick_h_> yea, but easy access has more of them going off at midnight-whatever am
[11:51] <rick_h_> ok, strange news of the morning. I never thought I'd see a headphone company buy a music service. http://goo.gl/LzO4E
[11:59] <brousch> I'd prefer 7AM to 3AM
[12:07] <brousch> I am whipped today
[12:07] <rick_h_> +1
[12:07] <brousch> Golf and Binder PArk Zoo killed me
[12:07] <rick_h_> that'll do it
[12:10] <brousch> And a 3:30AM wake up due to someone having "too much boogers"
[12:35] <tony-smlr> brousch, what made you drive to battle creek for the binder park zoo?
[12:36] <brousch> tony-smlr: We had a bunch of friends with kids staying in Niles, so Binder is in-between
[12:36] <tony-smlr> Cool,   I grew up about 20mi north of there
[12:37] <brousch> I didn't know there was anything north of there
[12:37] <brousch> You grow up in a log cabin?
[12:37] <tony-smlr> Yea there isn't much between there and GR but lots of lakes
[12:40] <brousch> I'm in GR
[12:42] <tony-smlr> GR is nice,  I dont get there much any more
[12:43] <tony-smlr> got to run
[12:45] <brousch> Ooooh, Flask 0.9 came out
[12:47] <rick_h_> more oatmeal/court news http://goo.gl/tS9l9
[12:47] <rick_h_> gotta love it
[12:47] <rick_h_> man, who'd have thought when it started it'd go this far?
[13:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I think this lawyer thinks it's all just free publicity.
[13:04] <snap-l> He comes across as someone who thinks he's a rock-star
[13:04] <snap-l> when he's just a wanker.
[13:11] <rick_h_> http://thecodelesscode.com/contents lol awesome
[13:13] <rick_h_> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/41 priceless
[13:14] <snap-l> rick_h_: Where did you find this?
[13:14] <rick_h_> posted to twitter
[13:14] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/oinopion/status/219777490506358786
[13:15] <snap-l> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/41
[13:15] <rick_h_> yea, that's the one I linked above love that one
[13:16] <rick_h_> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/39 yes!
[13:16] <snap-l> I'm slow today.
[13:19] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/KnbCe
[13:19] <rick_h_> man, don't tempt me Mozilla! So now Firefox OS is a phone OS while Chrome OS is a laptop OS
[13:27] <snap-l> WebOS gets a new name. ;)
[13:27] <rick_h_> tease! I've already had my heart broken once, I don't know if I can handle it again
[13:27] <jrwren> there is a FF OS?
[13:28] <rick_h_> Boot2Gecko == Firefox OS
[13:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: I think Mozilla will have more of a go with it than Palm did
[13:29] <snap-l> but then again, Mozilla isn't beholden to corporate overlords who could snap the neck of a project during an acquisition
[13:29] <snap-l> I could see it getting abandoned before getting killed like WebOS.
[13:30] <snap-l> (And yes, technically WebOS isn't dead, much in the same wy Blackberry isn't dying.)
[13:30] <brousch> If they can make something you can flash to an existing Android phone, they'd be in good shape
[13:31] <snap-l> brb.
[13:40] <jrwren> it isn't dead like MSDOS isn't dead
[13:42] <rick_h_> well supposedly it's built around snapdragon processors, not sure on drivers/etc
[14:28] <brousch> rick_h_: Can you make 4 of these for me? http://imgur.com/Mh3ae
[14:29] <rick_h_> brousch: lol
[14:31] <brousch> Actually those don't look very hard. I think I could do it
[14:34] <brousch> They look really heavy. Are those 4x4 legs?
[14:45] <brousch> OK, obviously I missed something.  I knew this OSS thing would work out
[15:16] <rick_h_> ugh, stuck on caribou wifi today.
[15:16] <jrwren> yuk
[15:16] <jrwren> but that might actually be better than my office wifi :(
[15:17] <jrwren> at least I can stream music from home, but i can't watch the djangoconeu videos i wanted to.
[15:17] <rick_h_> stupid mondays
[15:18] <jrwren> CURSE THEM
[15:18] <jrwren> there is a good side. this music is excellent and much more soothing than videos which educate
[15:18] <jrwren> In Strict Confidence \m/
[15:27] <brousch> rick_h_: Did gittip send you an email when I turned on a donation for you?
[15:27] <brousch> It's unclear what happens if you donate to someone who's not on gittip yet
[15:27] <rick_h_> brousch: looking
[15:28] <rick_h_> brousch: doesn't look like it yet
[15:29] <brousch> Maybe it doesn't notify you
[15:29] <rick_h_> might be a batch job thing, or something over a certain amount?
[15:30] <brousch> Distributed every friday, so maybe then
[15:33] <rick_h_> man, I follow a lot of repos that I don't use, but are on my "I need to use this" list
[15:33] <brousch> mcdonc is on there
[15:33] <rick_h_> ugh
[15:37] <rick_h_> ok, signed up and added a couple of sources
[15:38] <brousch> zzzek is on there too
[15:38] <rick_h_> heh yea, but I've given him some $$ over the last year
[15:38] <rick_h_> but yea, the people I tried to add weren't on the system yet
[15:38] <brousch> I kind of like this setup for donating to open source devs
[15:39] <brousch> If it gets big enough it would be pretty cool. I donate to people whose stuff I use, they pass it on to people whose stuff they use
[15:40] <brousch> Almost like rick_h_'s "Donate $5 each month" thing
[15:40] <rick_h_> right, like the idea. Almost wish it was a per project thing, but understand
[15:40] <rick_h_> want devs to know what I'm using that I like so much
[15:42] <brousch> That would be a good thing to suggest. Anonymous donation, but let the donator add a note
[15:42] <rick_h_> yea, ping'd them on twitter with a comment.
[15:43] <brousch> Hm, I don't think Twitter: gittip is them
[15:44] <brousch> That looks like an accunt that tweets actualy tips for using git
[15:44] <rick_h_> lol, oops
[15:44] <greg-g> no snap-l?
[15:44] <rick_h_> he must be working today
[15:45] <brousch> https://github.com/whit537
[15:45] <rick_h_> heh, actually he said 'brb' over two hours ago
[15:45] <brousch> That looks like the creator, and he did Aspen. Wasn't that a talk at last year's PyOhio?
[15:45] <rick_h_> yea, not a fan of aspen at all
[15:46] <rick_h_> but seems an ok guy
[15:46] <rick_h_> I tried out snot (nose library) for a bit from him
[15:49] <brousch> good name
[16:10] <rick_h_> there he is
[16:10] <greg-g> thanks for the bday wish, snap-l :)
[16:29] <snap-l> np
[16:29] <snap-l> Sorry, managed to hose up my machine while rebooting.
[16:56] <snap-l> Also, Google does not understand :q
[16:58] <snap-l> I wish companies would stop putting "do not use this if you aren't authorized" sgns on the login screens of machines
[16:59] <snap-l> It's like saying "Don't do anything illegal". It's irrelevant for all of the law-abiding folks, and the non-law-abiding folks aren't going to pay attention to it.
[16:59] <Blazeix> while we're at it, i'd like to get rid of the 'delete this email if you aren't the intended recipient" email footers
[16:59] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, those are priceless.
[17:01] <snap-l> "If you aren't the intended recipient of this mail, remove it from your machine immediately. You shouldn't have read it. You are dealing with forces you cannot understand. By merely glancing at these words, you have doomed humanity itself"
[17:02] <Blazeix> snap-l++
[17:03] <snap-l> We need more B-movie horror shows.
[17:04] <brousch> I am in one. It's called: I lost my car insurance card and got pulled over and now I'm in SoS hell
[17:06] <snap-l> brousch: Night of the Living Dead
[17:07] <brousch> Had State Farm fax a copy to me, but they dated it today so court can't take it because the ticket was last week
[17:08] <brousch> SoS messed up on my car reg, so I have to go back there to get it fixed, but the wait was about 2 hours at lunch today
[17:09] <brousch> So I spent an hour driving around at lunch and madezero progress
[17:13] <brousch> Drowning my sorrow in Taco Bell Volcano Nachos
[17:24] <rick_h_> @$#@#@$#@$#@ MUST NOT REWRITE CODE
[17:25] <brousch> That looks like perl.

[18:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: as in there's no bowing out of eating some
[18:05] <brousch> rick_h_: Mark Ramm went to EuroPython and you're stuck here?
[18:06] <rick_h_> Mark Ramm is special, he's the super genius...I'm lackey 101 updating JS tests written by idiot savants to work in a new version
[18:07] <Blazeix> http://www.indiegogo.com/zworlddetroit
[18:09] <snap-l> Blazeix: I thought we already had a zombie apocalypse in Detroit
[18:14] <widox> rick_h_: blarg, I won't be there this Wed. :(
[18:15] <widox> Blazeix: haha
[18:48] <brousch> I love my wife http://paste.mitechie.com/show/721/
[20:09] <snap-l> Ugh, apparently Wunderground is being acquired by The Weather Channel
[20:38] <brousch> Wunderful
[20:41] <snap-l> Just one of those things to brighten your day.
[20:42] <brousch> Actually Weatherbug on Android is my go-to weather app for any medium
[20:42] <brousch> I used to hate weatherbug on Windows with a passion
[20:51] <MaskedDriver> raises are fun
[20:52] <snap-l> DId you get one, or is this just in general?
[20:52] <MaskedDriver> just got one
[20:52] <snap-l> Coolness
[20:53] <MaskedDriver> yeah.. a big one.. got promoted to Sr. Web Developer last month but it didn't come with any perks but more work
[20:54] <MaskedDriver> so my manager fought for me and hooked a brother up
[20:55] <jrwren> I used to be a Sr. Developer, but I lost a lot of weight, so I'm a Jr. again.
[20:55] <MaskedDriver> lol
[20:58] <MaskedDriver> yeah, that'll happen
[20:58] <brousch> It would take plastic surgery, not weight loss, to make that change
[20:59] <MaskedDriver> lol
[21:01] <snap-l> I just want the Senior Discount
[21:01] <snap-l> (note: not really)
[21:02] <MaskedDriver> just get AAA insurance.. I get tons of discounts with that
[22:40] <brousch> I am so tired I just poured beer on my steak instead of A1
[22:42] <Blazeix> i'm pretty sure that means you need to chug the A1.
[22:46] <brousch> That might wake me up


[03:21] <bazhang> kindofabuzz, later on we can discuss it has not been two days yet
[03:22] <kindofabuzz> ok, i don't remember the exact time
[03:22] <bazhang> say 8 hours from now; how's that
[03:24] <bazhang> kindofabuzz, there is a 'no idle' rule in this channel; see you in around 8 hours okay?
[03:25] <kindofabuzz> ok
[04:42] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: when will you give me a new key?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: access removed until you do (you have an opie login, iirc, and your key is coming up as compromised)
[04:45]  * nalioth pets his graybearded ssh keys
[04:46] <jdong> hasn't today been FUN? :)
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> YEAH!
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> Let's do it again, this time with PGP!
[04:48] <jdong> tonyyarusso: WHOOO!!!
[04:48] <jdong> tonyyarusso: THEN we need a PAM backdoor!
[04:48] <jdong> tonyyarusso: and I totally give up on computers
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[04:48]  * Hobbsee stab tonyyarusso
[04:54] <nalioth> hi SeaPhor can we help you with something?
[04:55] <SeaPhor> I hope i am not intruding, bazhang asked me here earlier, and i have considered, my options, i was told to try back in 2 days, and i respect that, that is cool that if someone screws up they get a chance,, heres my answer,,, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11972/
[04:56] <SeaPhor> thank you and sorry to take your time, :-))
[05:40] <gnomefreak> today is24 hours iirc
[05:42] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i think its time to lift his ban maybe from what i read he has learned his lesson and i would rather not let him leave just because of a ban (but i know we added time due to the way he was in here i just cant rmemeber what happened)
[05:46] <gnomefreak> nalioth: can we add foodbot to -offtopic
[05:46] <gnomefreak> floodbot even
[05:46] <tritium> foodbot?
[05:46] <gnomefreak> sorry just ate :(
[05:46] <tritium> :)
[05:47] <tritium> enchilada_bot
[05:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:47] <gnomefreak> how did you know i had mexican ;)
[05:47] <gnomefreak> well taco bell type mexican
[05:47] <mnepton> someone open a window.
[05:47] <gnomefreak> lol not for me
[05:48] <tritium> gnomefreak: taco bell is not true mexican ;)
[05:49] <tritium> At least, not here in New Mexico, it isn't...
[05:49] <mnepton> but i'll take a sheep brain taco and a Corona
[05:49] <gnomefreak> tritium: i know but got alot for $5.00 and its close to me well about the closest place to me its > 10 miles from house
[05:49] <tritium> gnomefreak: fair enough :)
[05:51] <tritium> Good night
[06:21] <gnomefreak> night
[06:37] <Myrtti> moin
 ompaul: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:57]  * ompaul looks at the floodbot and then waves in some vague way in the general direction of LjL
[07:10] <Myrtti> we need a !abs factoid
[07:10] <Myrtti> !search abs
[07:10] <Myrtti> !info abs-guide
[07:11] <Myrtti> that tells about nothing
[08:38] <bazhang> gnomefreak, yeah, that was kindofabuzz, not Seaphor; the former should be by in an hour or two (at which time he can discuss PM'ing other users after leaving here)--I agree totally about lifting Seaphor's ban thanks :)
[08:49] <Myrtti> @login
[08:49] <Myrtti> !abs is <reply> foo
[08:53] <Myrtti> !no abs is <reply> Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, obtainable with ${package-manager} install abs-guide, is a quick and comprehensive guide to bash (command line) scripting in *nix systems. It is also viewable via web at http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[08:53] <Myrtti> !abs
[08:53] <Myrtti> I like it.
[10:16] <jrib> so has anyone spoken with seveas about getting the "ubotu" name back?
[10:22]  * Hobbsee suspects that the more he gets bugged, the less he'll do
[10:24] <elkbuntu> pretty much
[10:25] <Myrtti> I don't think we need to contact seveas about the name until everything else is settled
[10:25]  * Hobbsee also bets he's enjoying the holiday, and firmly ignoring email.
[10:25] <jrib> "everything else" being?
[10:27] <Myrtti> well I didn't follow last night's meeting that much, but everything else being "bots assigned and distributed, replication set up, a firm consencus on who/where/with what resources/when runs the main bot, etc
[10:27] <Myrtti> "
[10:29] <jrib> I see those as independent of the "ubotu" name issue though, and I'm just getting tired of always typing "ubotu" when "ubottu" :)
[10:30] <elkbuntu> last night's meeting?
[10:30] <elkbuntu> oh, CC?
[10:30] <Myrtti> irc-bots-stuff
[10:31] <Myrtti> /me waves her hands, rolls
[10:31] <elkbuntu> oh. my priority the past 48-72hrs has been starting a new job has been starting a new job
[10:31] <Myrtti> you found one already?
[10:32] <elkbuntu> yes, by some miracle
[10:32] <Myrtti> yay
[10:32] <elkbuntu> hugely better pay
[10:32] <Myrtti> I was a bit worried for you :-)
[10:32] <Myrtti> eeeexxcellent
[10:32] <jrib> congrats elkbuntu
[10:32] <Myrtti> congrats
[10:36] <elkbuntu> you cant possibly have been as worried as i was :Þ
[10:43] <Myrtti> no :-þ
[11:15] <Myrtti> !pinning
[11:25] <elkbuntu> and of course, my mother was more worried than i was
[11:31] <Myrtti> of course
[11:31] <Myrtti> one of my last year summercoders was hired by Red Hat. Nice.
[11:31] <Myrtti> I feel somewhat motherly kind of pride
[11:39] <elkbuntu> :)
[11:39] <elkbuntu> you understand what Leslie means when she speaks of being a 'geek mother' then :)
[12:50] <bazhang> kelvin911 may need some 'mediation'
[12:57] <Hobbsee> CC had a meeting last night?
[12:59] <Pici> They did?
[12:59] <bazhang> he's been getting very aggressive against other users and now towards me goos-fraba
[13:00] <Pici> Perhaps next time a banforward to here would be good?
[13:00] <bazhang> okay
[13:01] <Pici> I'm just suggesting
[13:01] <bazhang> seems more than warranted
[13:02] <Pici> Hobbsee: Do you have a link to the log?
[13:02] <Hobbsee> Pici: nope
[13:02] <Pici> hm
[13:02] <Hobbsee> was mentioned in here earlier by elkbuntu, but i didn't know there was one
[13:03] <elkbuntu> did i mention him? he fired up at kasco speaking spanish, but that's all i saw
[13:06] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: if "him" is a CC meeting, then yes.
[13:07] <elkbuntu> oh, im getting confused
[13:18] <Seeker``> -10:30:22- :elkbuntu+: last night's meeting?
[13:18] <Seeker``> -10:30:35- :elkbuntu+: oh, CC?
[13:18] <Seeker``> -10:30:57- :Myrtti+: irc-bots-stuff
[13:18] <Hobbsee> yay, limcore.
[13:19] <elkbuntu> huh?
[13:20] <Hobbsee> -bugs
[13:20] <elkbuntu> -enotthere
[13:27] <Hobbsee> lucky
[13:28] <elkbuntu> heh
[13:38] <jdavies> Hobbsee: heh, let's see where this ends up (or not)
[13:46] <jdavies> Hobbsee: wee, he's in #ubuntu now
[13:46] <Hobbsee> fun
[14:00] <Hobbsee> [22:59] --> auao has joined this channel (n=sad@athedsl-187242.home.otenet.gr).
[14:00] <Hobbsee> [22:59] --> leonardr has joined this channel (n=leonardr@cpe-24-193-113-134.nyc.res.rr.com).
[14:00] <Hobbsee> [22:59] <auao> boys see my foto here --> http://rapidshare.com/files/113860291/sexy18.jpg.rar.html . if i like you come prive for cyber :D
[14:00] <Hobbsee> staff, if you care, ^
[14:00] <Hobbsee> !staff
[14:00] <wgrant> jpg.rar.html. Nice.
[14:01] <Hobbsee> has spammed #launchpad and #ubuntu-meeting, at least.
[14:01] <jdavies> lovely
[14:02] <Hobbsee> and #ubuntu
[14:02] <elkbuntu> heh
[14:03] <elkbuntu> the .html is a rapidshare thing
[14:03] <jdong> Hobbsee: shame the rar fjile is password protected.
[14:04] <elkbuntu> rofl
[14:04] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[14:04] <jdong> ;-)
[14:04] <Hobbsee> nice.
[14:04] <elkbuntu> jdong, should be crackable
[14:04] <jdong> elkbuntu: only if Debian patched it ;-)
[14:04] <elkbuntu> ha.
[14:04] <jdong> lol I'm too bad this morning :D
[14:05] <elkbuntu> yeah. my new job is a fedora/rhel shop....
[14:07] <jdavies> elkbuntu: my possible job is in a suse shop...
[14:09] <elkbuntu> jdavies, my new job as in started today -- the day the debian security flaw became known.
[14:10] <elkbuntu> it's not exactly a secret that i'm an Ubuntu person...
[14:12] <jdong> elkbuntu: oh. THATS fun.
[14:12] <Pici> At least they use Linux where you work.
[14:13] <elkbuntu> indeed. what's even more fun is the mess the previous guy left me to clean up
[14:13] <elkbuntu> as in, unhappy client, zero documentation, broken workstation and html n00b errors.
[14:14] <jdavies> elkbuntu: pass the unhappy guy a ubuntu shipit cd
[14:14] <Pici> jdavies: The cd with the vulnerable openssh on it?
[14:15] <elkbuntu> um, no. this guy has been waiting for his website to be upgraded from drupal 4.7 to drupal 5 for the past 5 months...
[14:15] <jdavies> Pici: d'oh
[14:15] <wgrant> I wonder if we'll have to wait for 8.04.1 for that.
[14:15] <elkbuntu> wgrant, dare you to ask.
[14:16] <wgrant> I did. But cjwatson was arguing with $other_guy, so it was flooded out.
[14:20] <jdong> whoo Microsoft.
[14:20] <jdong> Office 2008 SP1 on mac locks you out if it thinks your serial number is not valid.
[14:21] <jdong> of course this is not documented in the release notes or anything.
[14:21] <wgrant> Isn't that normal behaviour?
[14:21] <jdong> wgrant: I guess we've come to expect that from MS, but no, not expected.
[14:22] <jdong> wgrant: also not expected is the use of mdns/avahi on Mac office to look for same-key-version copies on the local subnet.
[14:22] <wgrant> ... nice.
[15:16] <Pici> argh @ knaa
[15:16] <bazhang> hehe
[15:37] <bazhang> looking back it seems that knaaa was t-rolling about the stuff he was being helped with for over an hour
[16:00] <bazhang> may the ubuntu be with you nice part message
[16:16] <bazhang> ASUS-tek, how may we help you
[16:17] <ASUS-tek> can any one unband me from ubuntu offtopic
[16:18] <bazhang> when were you told to come here ASUS-tek
[16:18] <ASUS-tek> say 2 dasy ago
[16:18] <bazhang> by whom ASUS-tek
[16:18] <ASUS-tek> ii was there the day befor but i was not able to come on the nxt day as i was busy
[16:19] <ASUS-tek> ompaul
[16:19] <ASUS-tek> am working for AMD and ASUS-tek mumbai
[16:19] <bazhang> well he is not here now ASUS-tek , and he has more info on this situation than any other
[16:19] <ASUS-tek> humm..
[16:20] <bazhang> so you will need to come back at a later date ASUS-tek
[16:20] <ASUS-tek> okey if he is onlne tell him about me
[16:20] <bazhang> will do ASUS-tek ; there is no idling here so please depart
[16:20] <Pici> ASUS-tek: I dont think your ban is still standing, when was the last time you tried to join the channel?
[16:21] <ASUS-tek> i guess 5 days ago
[16:21] <ASUS-tek> i cant today
[16:21] <Pici> ASUS-tek: Actually, nevermind it there
[16:22] <ASUS-tek> humm.. ok see ya all tomorow if am not busy how i get my self unbanned
[16:22] <Pici> Ah, looks like he tried to evade the ban.
[16:23] <bazhang> not surprising given his antics there
[17:11] <Pici> !vcs =~ s/git/!git/
[18:42] <Pici> milambert: Good afternoon, how could we help you today?
[18:43] <milambert> heu, now, wrong chan I think ^^
[18:43] <milambert> sorry
[18:58] <Seeker``> @btlogin
[18:58] <Seeker``> @whoami
[18:59] <Pici> Identify?
[19:00] <Seeker``> @login
[19:00] <Seeker``> @btlogin
[19:00] <Seeker``> :(
[19:00] <Seeker``> I cant get on to my "Seeker`" account at the moment
[19:00] <Pici> why not?
[19:00] <Seeker``> because it is runinng on someones box that I have been locked out of because of the ssl issue
[19:00] <Seeker``> but I want to keep the client running
[19:01] <Seeker``> ASUS-tek: ompaul isn't here at the moment
[19:01] <Pici> heh
[20:25] <Seeker`> does anyone know a way of adding a channel you are in to the irssi autojoin list?
[20:26] <Myrtti> erm, theoretically yes
[20:26] <Pici> Seeker`: Scroll to How can i add all my open channels to the irssi channel list?  on  http://irssi.org/documentation/tips and modify for yourself
[20:31] <Seeker`> Pici: thanks
[21:30] <sladen> could people take over/own #ubucon
[21:31] <ompaul> PriceChild, can the irc council own #ubucon
[21:31] <ompaul> PriceChild, you may remember sladen from UDS
[21:31] <sladen> the foo level needs reducing too; I don't have enough points to recover the chaelnnel
[21:32] <Myrtti> Pricey dear
[21:32] <Myrtti> :-)
[21:32] <Myrtti> hullo sladen
[21:33]  * sladen shivers at the edge of a canal hoping he doesn't have to do/confirm anything else
[21:33] <sladen> moi Myrtti
[21:33] <ompaul> sladen, I doubt it now
[21:34] <ompaul> ;-)
[21:34] <sladen> rock!  *gone*
[21:34] <ompaul> paper
[21:34] <nalioth>  #ubucon?
[21:34] <ompaul> nalioth, ubuntu conference
[21:36] <ikonia> ompaul: did you come up with any better ways of "running" ubuntu+1
[21:37] <ompaul> there are none
[21:37] <ompaul> why would I have had :)
[21:37] <ikonia> you made suggestions when it was being talked about a few days (maybe a week) ago
[21:37] <ompaul> ikonia, sorry I have no context for that question, seriously
[21:37] <ikonia> was it not you ?
[21:37] <ompaul> ohh ya
[21:37] <ompaul> but it was not i
[21:38] <ikonia> oooh
[21:38] <ompaul> there was some convo
[21:38] <ikonia> thought it was you, sorry
[21:38] <ompaul> it went like this
[21:38] <ompaul> close party and open +1
[21:38] <ompaul> close 1 and open party
[21:39] <ikonia> I know the discussion had many pro's/con's to the options
[21:39] <ikonia> just reminded me as another user came in to +1 "hi is it safe to upgrade"
[21:39] <ikonia> same old same old
[21:40] <ikonia> I thought it was you who pushed some of the ideas (wrongly it would seem)
[21:43] <ompaul> I didn't
[21:43] <ompaul> actually we need a !beta that points to the next version
[21:43] <ompaul> or !alpha
[21:55] <vorian> bots!
[21:57] <Pici> Am I missing something, why are people laughing in #ubuntu at that?
[22:06] <ompaul> Pici, the factoid and the hu?
[22:06] <ompaul> as in feedthetrool
[22:08] <SportChick> is ubottu broken?
[22:08] <Seeker`> SportChick: in what way?
[22:08] <tomaw> the floodbots are still quite floody
[22:09] <SportChick> never mind - I was in the wrong channel :P
[22:09] <kitche> can one of you kick Directory in #ubuntu
[22:10] <kitche> and ban maybe just seems like a bot to spam
[22:11] <Myrtti> anything else?
[22:12] <nalioth> kitche: problem solved
[22:12] <Myrtti> wth
[22:12] <Myrtti> Did I just see pricey joinin #u about 5 times without parting?
[22:12] <Myrtti> /me smacks irssi
[22:12] <PriceChild> only left/joined once afaik?
[22:13] <Pici> Hopefully theres not more than one of him
[22:15] <Myrtti> PriceChild: my irssi has started to act weird lately
[22:15] <PriceChild> mine was odd the other day, treating bascule's joins as an anti-netsplit repeatedly
[22:18] <PriceChild> uuu kevin &perry are on
[22:18] <Seeker`> PriceChild: channel?
[22:19] <PriceChild> bbc3
[22:24] <nalioth> uh oh
[22:24] <mneptok> ...
[22:24] <nalioth> that user just won't give it up
[22:25] <nalioth> neo_the_user
[22:25] <nalioth> and only targetting Ubuntu community channels
[22:26] <PriceChild> What channels?
[22:26] <nalioth> i just kickbanned him from #xubuntu where he was pasting some song lyrics
[22:26] <nalioth> ( iow, flooding )
[22:27] <PriceChild> Thanks.
[22:38] <PriceChild> Seeker`: hehe, the germans.
[22:40] <Myrtti> zee germans
[22:41]  * Seeker` doesn't have BBC3 :(
[22:41] <PriceChild> Seeker`: zattoo.com
[22:42] <popey> Seeker`: bbc.co.uk/three
[22:42] <popey> you can watch it online
[22:43] <PriceChild> That's also quite cool.
[22:43] <nalioth> only if you have a UK IP address   :(
[22:46] <popey> meh
[22:46] <popey> it's a uk channel
[22:46] <popey> you sponging foreigners can get lost :)
[22:46] <popey> sponge-ing
[22:53] <mc44> oooh, zattoo is super, thanks popey
[22:54] <popey> :)
[22:55] <mc44> except when its all slow and annoying :<
[22:55] <mc44> but mostly super :)
[23:00] <sudobash> AfeRaTa is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*
[23:00] <sudobash> http://newvisiondevelopment.com/
[23:00] <sudobash> AfeRaTa on @#sofia @#sincity #porno @#hepb
[23:00] <sudobash> AfeRaTa using irc.techno-link.com Always Stable - Always Online
[23:00] <sudobash> AfeRaTa actually using host <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:00] <sudobash> AfeRaTa is logged in as AfeRaTa
[23:00] <sudobash> AfeRaTa End of /WHOIS list.
[23:01] <PriceChild> sudobash: hnn?
[23:02] <sudobash> that is the spamer that keeps spamming #ubuntu
[23:02] <sudobash> he made some pretty crazy threats to me
[23:02] <sudobash> he is in usa
[23:02] <sudobash> pretty sure he is bulgarian
[23:03] <sudobash> he has a botnet of say 35000
[23:05] <nalioth> sudobash: where are you getting this info?
[23:06] <sudobash> i think he spams out IRC networks gets ppl to connect to the server and acts nice to them to infect
[23:06] <sudobash> umm i connected to the server to see if it was a DoS server and he messaged me "Welcome :)"
[23:07] <sudobash> he is oper of the channel that was being spammed in #ubuntu
[23:07]  * nalioth blinks
[23:07] <nalioth> sudobash: none of that cruft you pasted in here has anything to do with Ubuntu or freenode
[23:08] <sudobash> said it was his botnet and he also has a bot that checks for clients on freenode and if you are on freenode then it wont let you on channel
[23:08] <sudobash> oh well
[23:08] <nalioth> indeed
[23:59] <mneptok> nalioth: i think he means "responsible for the repeated armies of bots spewing 'irc.UniBg.oRg #HEPB'"


[15:13] <jbicha> ricotz: I'm going to sync vala 0.39.7 to bionic now, if that's cool with you :)
[15:15] <ricotz> jbicha, nice :) , 0.39.91 is on my todo list
[15:16] <jbicha> someone suggested libkkc's FTBFS might be from vala 0.38
[15:30] <ricotz> yes, https://git.gnome.org/browse/vala/commit/?id=8d8fafdd6590ff32d59170395853034764daa055
[21:28] <jbicha> ricotz: vala 0.39 transition is complete in bionic
[21:34] <ricotz> jbicha, great, that was fast
[21:35] <ricotz> 0.39.91 should be available soon
[21:42] <jbicha> you could even use the .90 number if you like :)
[21:43] <jbicha> I probably won't bother packaging any more vala 0.38 releases for Debian, we should be good to go straight to 0.40 in a few weeks
[21:44] <ricotz> jbicha, this is meant to be for the beta 2, next monday
[21:46] <ricotz> btw https://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2018-February/msg00071.html
[21:48] <ricotz> https://download.gnome.org/sources/vala/0.39/vala-0.39.91.tar.xz
[21:49] <jbicha> last I heard, there won't be an official .91 release from the Release Team https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2018-February/msg00017.html
[21:51] <jbicha> "great, that was fast" :)
[21:58] <ricotz> jbicha, I see, still no harm to do one


[01:00] <kwwii_> ngith all
[01:00] <kwwii_> erm
[01:00] <kwwii_> night all
[03:29] <Seveas> troy_s, I now have usplash on 1024x768x256 with a .png progressbar which can also pulsate (may be required soon). Now all I have to do is implement BOGL font handling for the svga part and all the usplash crack I can think of is there
[03:29] <Seveas> I hope mjg59 accepts most of it ;)
[10:40] <kwwii_> moin
[12:04] <sladen> Seveas: pulsate? :)
[12:05] <Seveas> sladen, crappy video: http://ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/usplash.avi
[12:07] <Seveas> you can't see it but the progressbar is also a .png
[12:08] <sladen> ACCESS DENIED
[12:08] <sladen> Seveas: chmod o+r usplash.avi
[12:09] <Seveas> damn scp
[12:09] <Seveas> how do I make scp take UMASK into account on the remote machine?
[12:09] <Seveas> (it's readable now btw)
[12:12] <kwwii_> wow, now that is a screenshot
[12:13] <Seveas> btw: I hate ati
[12:13] <Seveas> too many modeswitches and my machine hangs
[12:13] <Seveas> and unfortunately usplash testing involves modechanges
[12:17] <Seveas> sladen, looks pretty decent, eh (apart from the general crappyness of the video) ;)
[12:18] <sladen> Seveas: scp -p usplash.avi seveas@machine.example.com:public_html
[12:18] <Seveas> hmm, it never occured to me to use -p for that
[12:18] <Seveas> thanks!
[01:23] <troy_s> seveas you rock
[01:25] <PingunZ> Why is that troy_s ?
[01:25] <troy_s> usplash stuff.
[01:25] <PingunZ> Is it working ?
[01:25] <PingunZ> the high res + high color ?
[01:27] <Seveas> PingunZ, only i386+amd64
[01:27] <PingunZ> I have i386
[01:27] <PingunZ> And edgy so it should work ..
[01:27] <PingunZ> How can i test it and what shoudl I do ?
[01:27] <Seveas> it works on dapper too ;) (I'm still on dapper)
[01:28] <Seveas> You can't test yet
[01:28] <Seveas> I want to implement one more required thing
[01:28] <PingunZ> Well, pro's like you guys need stability :)
[01:28] <PingunZ> Ok, let us know when we can test it and how to make smashing usplash' :)
[01:29] <PingunZ> Seveas: Will it be included in Edgy ?
[01:29] <Seveas> PingunZ, I hope so
[01:29] <Seveas> it depends on having a ppc implementation
[01:30] <PingunZ> I hope you succeed
[01:30] <PingunZ> Btw, Will it be hard to make a usplash with a custom throbber ?
[01:31] <troy_s> seveas
[01:32] <troy_s> do you happen to know the specs basically?
[01:32] <troy_s> and don't hate ati
[01:32] <Seveas> PingunZ, no it isn't
[01:32] <troy_s> apparently AMD is going to open source a limited set of their cards now that they own them
[01:32] <PingunZ> omg Seveas you're a god :)
[01:32] <Seveas> troy_s, I know the specs -- I implemented it ;)
[01:32] <troy_s> believe it or not. :)
[01:32] <troy_s> laf.
[01:32] <troy_s> well... enlighten me
[01:33] <PingunZ> * us :)
[01:33] <troy_s> did you see msikma's usplash mock?
[01:33] <troy_s> i originally planned to use a spotlight approach, and your additions make it feasible it appears.
[01:33] <Seveas> troy_s, yes, themes can include custom animations
[01:34] <Seveas> but they have to be programmed, just like custom throbbers
[01:35] <Seveas> and all frames need to use the exact same pallette
[01:35] <troy_s> hrm...
[01:35] <troy_s> do you have a code snippit?
[01:35] <troy_s> palette mapping is dead easy for me since i have become an imagemagick zealot
[01:36] <troy_s> that set of tools is bloody remarkable.
[01:36] <Seveas> basically, a function is called 25 times a second to let you draw the next 'frame'
[01:37] <troy_s> and you use what to draw the frame?  svgalib?
[01:37] <Seveas> svgalib on i386/amd64, bogl on ppc
[01:37] <troy_s> wow... the possibilities are quite massive on that.
[01:37] <Seveas> but with platform-agnostic wrappers
[01:37] <troy_s> are there any limits on the frames etc?
[01:37] <Seveas> 256 colors
[01:37] <troy_s> numerically speaking
[01:38] <troy_s> 256 is no limit really -- unless you are a die hard grad freak.
[01:38] <Seveas> I have a very decent 256 color splash
[01:38] <Seveas> see that movie I posted
[01:38] <Seveas> http://ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/usplash.avi
[01:38] <troy_s> yes i checked it out...
[01:38] <Seveas> movie itself is crap, but it shows some possibilities
[01:38] <troy_s> so the progress bar is ???
[01:39] <troy_s> is that progress bar a variation on the 25fps function?
[01:39] <troy_s> or a sep issue?
[01:39] <troy_s> could you email me the code snippit so I could peep at it and possibly get a working usplash for your code?
[01:40] <Seveas> the progress bar is inside the 25fps function
[01:41] <Seveas> that function gets as argument whether the thing is pulsating or not
[01:41] <Seveas> but font unification first, then I'll send code ;)
[01:42] <troy_s> i don't want the code code, just the code for the function so i can wrap my head around it.
[01:42] <troy_s> and by pulsating, i couldn't quite get what you mean from your vid.
[01:43] <troy_s> slick looking though... very slick.
[01:45] <Seveas> with pulsating I mean the thing moving from left to right and back
[01:47] <troy_s> ahh i see... of course we could do any number of things... does that progress bar in your sample consist of only the
[01:47] <troy_s> image area?
[01:47] <troy_s> or is it a smaller box that is moved
[01:47] <troy_s> etc?
[01:47] <Seveas> it is a part of an image rendered again every step
[01:48] <Seveas> every time a different part of the image
[01:48] <troy_s> same dimensions no doubt?
[01:48] <Seveas> yes, same dimensions
[01:48] <troy_s> ahh great.
[01:48] <PingunZ> Seveas: So It'll be 1280*1024 && 256 colors ?
[01:49] <troy_s> well i must sleep.  just got in from work and need to hit the GDM stone tomorrow to finish up the other variation
[01:49] <troy_s> bloody dox for gdm are rather limited.
[01:49] <Seveas> PingunZ, my idea is 640x400x256 default, but making it asy (and providing the themes) to use a higher resolution
[01:50] <Seveas> my display can't use 1280x1024 for instance
[01:50] <troy_s> 640x400@8bpp is pretty bloody good.
[01:50] <troy_s> compared to where we are at
[01:50] <troy_s> especially if it abides by the ubuntu 'no touch kernel' approach.
[01:50] <Seveas> indeed
[01:50] <Seveas> and it's all in userspace
[01:51] <troy_s> how swell is that...
[01:52] <troy_s> who is responsible for the approval on usplash?
[01:52] <Seveas> mjg59 has to accept my patches into his source
[01:52] <Seveas> I've e-mailed him about ot, but no response yet
[01:52] <troy_s> is this in conjuntion with scott's work on usplah?
[01:52] <troy_s> usplash even
[01:53] <Seveas> scott wants to use usplash for boot logging
[01:53] <Seveas> and translated boot messages
[01:53] <PingunZ> Seveas: What about 800*600*256 ?
[01:54] <Seveas> PingunZ, what about it?
[01:54] <PingunZ> as default :)
[01:54] <Seveas> dunno
[01:54] <sladen> PingunZ: it will try to boot in the same resolution as your X detected would be correct
[01:55] <PingunZ> That would be cool :)
[01:59] <troy_s> greets sladen
[01:59] <troy_s> seveas -- doesn't scott have a usplash in the works as well?  usplash2?
[02:00] <troy_s> frank was in contact on it so that we could ultimately try to target it.
[02:00] <troy_s> but ... its so damn late now it might be hard to target its traits.
[02:01] <troy_s> bed.
[02:01] <troy_s> chat you folks tomorrow.
[02:01] <troy_s> be good brothers.
[02:03] <PingunZ> Bye troy_s
[03:22] <fschoep> bersace: The right man in the right place! I just sent you an e-mail.
[03:22] <PingunZ> hey fschoep :)
[03:22] <fschoep> Hi PingunZ
[03:22] <bersace> fschoep: *I*'v just sent you (back) an e-mail !! :P
[03:23] <fschoep> Oh dear, let me get it
[03:23] <PingunZ> Do you have a minute now fschoep ? ( the forum idea --> again )
[03:24] <fschoep> PingunZ: sure, PM me ;)
[03:24] <PingunZ> ok ;)
[03:24] <fschoep> bersace: thanks, good news - I'll e-mail you the plan, OK?
[03:24] <bersace> fschoep: nice
[03:38] <kwwii_> I never get emails from you guys :-(
[03:39] <fschoep> kwwii_: I sent you one the other day
[03:40] <kwwii_> fschoep: must have made it to my span folder :p
[03:40] <kwwii_> ehhh...spam
[03:41] <kwwii_> just kidding though
[03:41] <fschoep> Oh, you did get it, then?
[03:41] <kwwii_> yepp, about the sound, right?
[03:43] <fschoep> Indeed
[04:29] <troy_s> fschoep here in 15 mins
[04:29] <troy_s> okie?
[04:29] <fschoep> I think so
[04:29] <fschoep> troy_s: for now, OK
[04:50] <troy_s> hello exs
[04:50] <exs> hi
[05:02] <Viper550> Hello everyone...
[05:02] <fschoep> Hi Viper550
[05:03] <Viper550> Edgy is coming along nicely I see...
[05:11] <Viper550> kwwii_, you said that you were going to give me the new Kubuntu buttons for Crystal? Why not post them on the Wiki?
[05:13] <kwwii_> Viper550: I thought you didn't want the SVG? guess I misunderstood, I'll put 'em on the wiki as you suggest
[05:14] <Viper550> Yeah...I wanted the source for the actual buttons that could be compiled, not the source of the buttons!
[05:15] <kwwii_> hehe, you can either get it from apt (install kde) or download it from kde-look.org
[05:16] <Viper550> The crystal tarball I compiled (0.42) comes with the Kubuntu Dapper buttons, but not the Edgy ones of course
[05:17] <kwwii_> good point....I have two svgs and an xcf file to put 'em all together
[05:17] <kwwii_> I'll put it all on the wiki
[05:18] <Viper550> I just need a tarball with the new Kubuntu buttons so I can overwrite them in the source code and recompile it
[05:19] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz
[05:19] <Viper550> thanks...
[05:34] <Viper550> AWESOME!
[05:35] <Viper550> Although the tarball you gave me was a tad broken (make gave me errors), I just copied the buttons from your tarball into the folder for my current Crystal and recompiled, and after I restarted KDE, it worked!
[05:38] <kwwii_> it was simply a tar, not a tar.gz
[05:38] <kwwii_> sorry
[05:38] <kwwii_> I forgot to type z
[05:38] <Viper550> whoops...but still! I got it to work properly, and they are nice!
[05:39] <Viper550> Looks interesting with one of the gloss overlays from the wiki, adds an extra gloss to the buttons!
[05:39] <kwwii_> :-)
[05:39] <Viper550> Yep...nice!
[05:40] <Viper550> Speaking of gloss, did you get a chance to check out my panel background?
[05:43] <kwwii_> Viper550: nope, but I'll download it now
[05:45] <Viper550> Thanks, oh and the buttons look nice with Transparency enabled (although the Crystal that comes with Kubuntu has transparency support removed)
[05:46] <kwwii_> I tried that last night, they do look good
[05:46] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:46] <kwwii_> bye
[05:52] <Viper550> I'm back...
[05:53] <kwwii_> dude, killer panel bg
[05:54] <Viper550> Thanks!
[05:57] <PingunZ> Bah, I wish I liked kde so I could use your art :)
[05:57] <Viper550> PingunZ: Can't you use Custom Panel BG's on Gnome as well?
[05:57] <kwwii_> PingunZ: :p
[05:58] <PingunZ> Viper550: Yes, but the panel is only one thing :)
[05:58] <Viper550> ??? - But that's the only art I have posted for it right now
[05:59] <PingunZ> Viper550: I was talking about all the art on the Kubuntu-edgy-Ideas page
[05:59] <PingunZ> Bah, I shut up :p
[05:59] <Viper550> Oh...but some of it (like wallpapers), could be used on Gnome
[06:00] <PingunZ> Yup :)
[06:00] <PingunZ> But I shoot those myself :)
[06:14] <Viper550> Have there been any comments from testers about the new look for Kubuntu yet?
[08:02] <Viper550> Have we had any comments about the look of Kubuntu Knot 2?
[08:03] <kwwii_> yepp, everyone pretty much loves it :-)
[08:03] <kwwii_> very good response so far
[08:04] <kwwii_> the biggest negative response has been about the yellow/orange in the middle of the gradient
[08:04] <kwwii_> people like purple!
[08:05] <Viper550> Yeah (that's what I not like either)
[08:07] <Viper550> Well, if you wonder how my desktop looks right now: http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=7247_purpleandgloss.png
[08:17] <PingunZ> Viper550: As a Gnome-freak :: That screenshot is pretty slick :)
[08:18] <PingunZ> The metacity is really nice !
[08:18] <Viper550> I'm not using Gnome.
[08:19] <PingunZ> Viper550: I'm the gnome-freak
[08:19] <Viper550> KDE.
[08:19] <PingunZ> bah :p
[08:19] <PingunZ> Ok, let me rephrase that .. I like the kwin theme :)
[08:20] <Viper550> Yeah, Crystal, with the buttons from Edgy!
[08:21] <PingunZ> The panel background is really nice too :)
[08:22] <Viper550> That's the one I'm trying to get included with Edgy
[08:22] <PingunZ> I like it :)
[08:23] <PingunZ> Btw, when you resize the panel --> what happens with the image ? is it scalable ?
[08:23] <Viper550> It's tiled horizontally
[08:24] <PingunZ> Can't you make it in .svg so it becomes scalable or is that impossible ? :)
[08:24] <PingunZ> Just an idea ..
[08:24] <Viper550> Can't, scales nice
[08:25] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[08:33] <Seveas> troy_s, there's a very non-trivial chance that my usplash work will be integrated for edgy
[08:33] <Seveas> which rocks
[08:38] <Viper550> Well, I do have a picture of my desktop from when I did use Ubuntu 5.10: http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marchubuntulooks7ne.jpg
[08:40] <Viper550> Does anyone still have the gtkrc from the old orange Ubuntulooks?
[08:47] <troy_s> seveas keep me posted.
[08:47] <Seveas> troy_s, will do
[11:43] <PingunZ> Hey Seveas, any updates yet ?
[11:44] <Seveas> yes, I just finished font unification
[11:44] <Seveas> pushed it to launchpad
[11:44] <Seveas> I'll be sending a .deb for my usplash version and the theme to the artwork list tomorrow
[11:44] <Seveas> so people can comment on it.
[11:46] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[11:46] <PingunZ> Great work man !
[11:51] <PingunZ> Seveas: ping !
[11:52] <Seveas> what?
[11:52] <PingunZ> Well, #ubuntuforums ain't really the right channel for usplash ...
[11:53] <Seveas> hehe
[11:53] <Seveas> well, I'd love it if the rumour spreads
[11:53] <Seveas> btw: I'm also taking over the cipherfunk packages
[11:53] <PingunZ> If you want rumours ? I can bring you rumours :)
[11:53] <Seveas> rumours are good
[11:53] <PingunZ> Oki
[11:53] <Seveas> spread the link of that crappy video
[11:54] <PingunZ> Can I have the link again ?
[11:54] <Seveas> http://ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/usplash.avi
[11:54] <PingunZ> Ty, I'll try to spread it a lot !
[11:54] <PingunZ> I'm pretty good in that :D
[11:56] <PingunZ> Seveas: The specs are 800*600*256 and customizable throbber etc ?
[11:56] <Seveas> no
[11:56] <Seveas> as high resolution as your screen supports
[11:56] <PingunZ> That's even better :)
[11:56] <Seveas> 256 colors is right
[11:56] <Seveas> customizable drawing (not just throbber)
[11:56] <Seveas> and animation!
[11:57] <Seveas> (and no ppc version yet, i need a ppc machine!)
[11:57] <PingunZ> Oki :)
[11:57] <Seveas> tell that too, maybe someone will donate one ;)
[11:57] <PingunZ> haha
[11:58] <PingunZ> I'm starting a thread about this in ubuntuforums.org, ok ?
[11:59] <PingunZ> Bah, the forums are kinda slow atm ..
[11:59] <PingunZ> I'll do it later
[11:59] <PingunZ> Seveas: What's the launchpad link ?
[12:00] <Seveas> /products/usplash/+branches/
[12:00] <Seveas> select 'theming' there
[12:01] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[12:05] <BHSPitMonkey> hey all.
[12:06] <Seveas> hi BHSPitMonkey
[12:06] <BHSPitMonkey> what's up?


[12:20] <matthewcroughan> Hey! Is this the right place to get help making a PPA package?
[12:20] <matthewcroughan> I'm really confused, having followed the Ubuntu docs, which seem outdated to the point of not actually functioning due to python versions.
[12:21] <matthewcroughan> https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[12:21] <matthewcroughan> the step regarding BRZ fails completely due to an arbitrary python error: brz: ERROR: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'initialize_on_transport'
[12:21] <matthewcroughan> following the guide to a tee, root@4ac1c3f970f1:~# bzr dh-make hello 2.10 hello-2.10.tar.gz
[12:28] <cjwatson> We can help with the points where it interacts with Launchpad, but not generally with the bits before that.
[12:29] <matthewcroughan> Then I am confused. Maybe you can direct me to better docs that describe how to package?
[12:29] <matthewcroughan> since the ubuntu docs don't currently work
[12:33] <cjwatson> Yeah, I'm somewhat annoyed nobody has fixed those up for years, but haven't had time myself.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/#Packaging links to some other resources; I would probably suggest starting with the Debian resources there, since for the most part the only required difference for uploading stuff to a PPA should be selecting an appropriate version number (for which, ...
[12:33] <cjwatson> ... https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#Versioning)
[12:33] <matthewcroughan> Why is this such voodoo? I made an AUR package in seconds lol.
[12:34] <matthewcroughan> All I want to do is provide something I'm doing on Github, to people.
[12:34] <cjwatson> OK, and I've given you some better pointers, please don't give me a hard time about it.
[12:34] <matthewcroughan> I'm not, I hope :D
[12:35] <cjwatson> I guarantee it would take me hours to make an AUR package; there's a significant amount of familiarity involved ...
[12:35] <cjwatson> (at minimum)
[12:35] <matthewcroughan> Lol it's just one file.
[12:35] <cjwatson> OK, this is not going to be a productive conversation.
[12:35] <matthewcroughan> The wiki makes it seem very complex. But it is just one file. In which there's a function and some variables.
[12:36] <matthewcroughan> So what is it in this case? All I need to do is X. What is X?
[12:36] <matthewcroughan> I need to make a deb source file. Then use dput to give that to Launchpad. Is this correct?
[12:37] <matthewcroughan> That seems simple, but I can't figure out that first step.
[12:38] <matthewcroughan> But anyway, is it true that all I have to do is *SOMEHOW* get a deb source file out of my code. Then, upload that deb to launchpad with dput?
[12:38] <cjwatson> Yep
[12:39] <matthewcroughan> > You can learn how to create .deb packages for Ubuntu by following the Ubuntu packaging guide.
[12:40] <matthewcroughan> Again, I'm in this loop where I can't get to the stage of packaging the deb due to the docs being incorrect.
[12:40] <cjwatson> Probably easiest is if you ditch the old bzr stuff that the packaging guide talks about and just use "dh_make" to set up a skeleton.
[12:40] <matthewcroughan> The resources it links to are not Ubuntu. They're debian.
[12:40] <matthewcroughan> So as a result, launchpad is now incorrect. Since Launchpad keeps highlighting the significance of everything being done in accordance with Ubuntu's guidelines.
[12:40] <cjwatson> I agree that it is a problem that the Ubuntu packaging guide refers to obsolete stuff.  That's something the Ubuntu people need to fix
[12:40] <matthewcroughan> Yes, but pragmatically, how does this present a problem for me?
[12:41] <matthewcroughan> If I make a debian style deb source package (whatever that looks like) will it not be invalid?
[12:41] <cjwatson> No.
[12:41] <matthewcroughan> Can that file just be the binary file? How does launchpad know or care?
[12:41] <cjwatson> In general Debian and Ubuntu source packages are pretty similar in structure.
[12:41] <cjwatson> What do you mean by "binary file"?
[12:42] <matthewcroughan> I know that, but all the guides on the internet I've seen and failed to follow so far tell me that Ubuntu structures things differently, meaning making a ppa is non-standard.
[12:42] <matthewcroughan> cjwatson providing only the compiled code inside of the deb file
[12:42] <matthewcroughan> the resultant binary of my personal local output of `make`
[12:42] <cjwatson> .deb is the binary package file - Launchpad will not accept that.  Launchpad only accepts source package uploads
[12:42] <matthewcroughan> What is the extension for that?
[12:42] <cjwatson> .dsc
[12:42] <matthewcroughan> Ah brilliant
[12:43] <matthewcroughan> And what tools create dsc files?
[12:43] <matthewcroughan> This is hard to google for. I can't find anything for "debian source" "debian source package" as it just gets conflated with open source, source code, etc.
[12:44] <matthewcroughan> Found it. https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/SourcePackage?action=show&redirect=SourcePackage#How_to_build_the_Debian_package
[12:44] <matthewcroughan> Yet I can only find docs on interfacing with them. Not creating a source package.
[12:45] <cjwatson> The normal way to build a source package is "debuild -S"
[12:45] <matthewcroughan> Mana from heaven.. You're saving me here
[12:45] <matthewcroughan> My sanity is being restored.
[12:45] <cjwatson> You run it in a source tree with a debian/ subdirectory - the various bits of packaging rules and metadata should all be in there
[12:45] <doko> maybe start reading at the table of contents? https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
[12:46] <matthewcroughan> doko I found it https://wiki.debian.org/SimplePackagingTutorial
[12:46] <matthewcroughan> cjwatson So you think if I use debuild to make a source package, the resultant dsc will be compatible with Ubuntu *and* Debian via Launchpad?
[12:47] <cjwatson> There can often be quirks depending on the details of your project, but in principle yes.  I upload to both distributions all the time that way.
[12:48] <cjwatson> (I'll try to see if I can find somebody to revamp the Ubuntu packaging guide to be uh actually current.  No promises)
[12:51] <matthewcroughan> The project builds a static binary, it's golang.
[12:53] <matthewcroughan> https://blog.packagecloud.io/debian/debuild/packaging/2015/06/08/buildling-deb-packages-with-debuild/
[12:53] <matthewcroughan> Good guide here by the looks of things. I'm really happy you were able to get me to this conclusion.
[12:53] <matthewcroughan> Thanks
[12:56] <matthewcroughan> cjwatson The `debian/control` file is basically identical in function to what the PKGBUILD in the AUR is doing. Amazing.
[12:57] <matthewcroughan> I really wonder how people manage not to get stuck at this stage. I went directly to Launchpad and Ubuntu docs to learn about this, how are people otherwise getting around it? I only discovered this through chatting with you.
[12:57] <cjwatson> debian/control has declarative metadata like descriptions and build-dependencies; debian/rules has executable bits
[12:57] <cjwatson> (debian/rules can often just be a very minimal skeleton because debhelper is pretty smart these days, but sometimes you need to override it)
[12:58] <cjwatson> The absolute bare minimum is debian/{changelog,control,rules}
[12:58] <matthewcroughan> Alright, that's great. Will fit right into my CI system too
[12:59] <matthewcroughan> So is it common for projects that support debian to have a debian/ directory in their github sources?
[13:19] <cjwatson> Gently discouraged.  It's more usual to maintain the packaging as a branch
[14:07] <matthewcroughan> What about as a separate repo cjwatson ?
[14:07] <matthewcroughan> Also discouraged? Or is it common too?
[14:10] <cjwatson> Well, a branch in a separate repo is still a branch :)
[14:11] <cjwatson> It's common for the person doing the packaging not to be the same as the person doing upstream development, so packaging often ends up living in a separate repo
[14:12] <cjwatson> But if you don't want to bother with that then it technically works to keep them all together, and that may make sense if it's a small thing you don't expect anyone else to work on


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[01:40] <guiverc2> probably should have said Happy Anniversary; but congrats came to mind (36 years is a great accomplishment)
[01:41] <Wild_Man> Your wording is good
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[11:32] <nik90> mzanetti: ping
[12:00] <mzanetti> nik90: pong
[12:08] <nik90> mzanetti: hey I am hitting a weird issue with our base timezone model
[12:08] <nik90> mzanetti: I created a C++ plugin just to send back the local date and time using QDateTime since it keeps track of the timezone change unlike the javascript date object.
[12:09] <nik90> mzanetti: Everything seems to work except for one thing which is the localCityTime.offsetFromUtc() - worldCityTime.offsetFromUtc() value. We return this value in the timezone base model class. On changing the system timezone and then returning to the clock app, I notice that this value changes in the c++ side of things, however it doesn't update the value in
[12:09] <nik90> the qml listview.
[12:09] <nik90>  mzanetti: any thoughts as to why that might happen?
[12:09] <nik90> mzanetti: I am working on this at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/implement-change-time-settings
[12:09] <mzanetti> nik90: isn't that the same issue again?
[12:10] <mzanetti> that returning QDateTime to qml doesn't keep timezone informations
[12:10] <nik90> mzanetti: no because the localCityTime.offsetFromUtc() - worldCityTime.offsetFromUtc() value is a int64 value. On c++ when qDebug() it returns the correct value, however on qml that value is different
[12:10] <nik90> mzanetti: so I am not interacting with qDateTime but rather just an int
[12:11] <mzanetti> hmm, ok... need to check the code
[12:12] <nik90> mzanetti: in the timer update() function, we only do this roles << RoleTimeString;
[12:12] <nik90> mzanetti: may be we need to add other stuff that also change like the RoleTimeTo, RoleDayTo
[12:12] <mzanetti> nik90: ah, yeah, true, you need to add each role you change
[12:13] <nik90> mzanetti: do I do it like roles << RoleTimeString << RoleTimeTo; ?
[12:13] <mzanetti> yep
[12:13] <nik90> thnx
[12:14] <mzanetti> nik90: if you're changing all of the roles, or most of them, you could remove the whole last argument in dataChanged, then it would always update all roles
[12:14] <mzanetti> its up to you to decide if you can affort refreshing also unchanged fields or not
[12:15] <nik90> I am changing 3 out of 6, so I will do roles << RoleTimeString << RoleTimeTo to save on performance
[12:16] <nik90> mzanetti: yay that worked
[12:16] <mzanetti> :)
[14:54] <Diogo> hi guys
[14:59] <Diogo> does some one know how to make MYSQL database conection with QML??
[15:19] <Diogo> does some one know how to make MYSQL database conection with QML??
[15:33] <nik90> Diogo: Check out http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-localstorage-qmlmodule.html
[16:08] <Diogo> nike90: i have c++ code, but i just dont understand it
[16:25] <qtros> Hi all
[16:26] <qtros> Which component should I use instead of standard WebView in UP?
[16:35] <nik90> Diogo: I always wonder you change nik90 to nike90 :D...I don't get a notification if you type nike90
[16:36] <Diogo> nik90: ok
[16:37] <nik90> Diogo: I am not sure about accessing sql in c++, i haven't done it before
[16:37] <Diogo> nik90: i have a project with some code
[16:37] <nik90> Diogo: but I am sure QT should have that in some form or the other
[16:38] <qtros> nik90 Hello) Can you please help me with using of "Ubuntu.Web" on desktop?
[16:38] <Diogo> nik90: the question is, that i dont understand the code
[16:38] <Diogo> nik90: look http://paste.ubuntu.com/7876122/
[16:38] <nik90> qtros: Hi
[16:39] <Diogo> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7876128/
[16:40] <Diogo> nik90: i just needed some one to explain me what the code means, so i could move on and modify the way i need him
[16:40] <nik90> qtros: I am guessing you have looked at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Web/
[16:40] <nik90> qtros: I haven't used it yet, so sry I don't know much about it
[16:40] <qtros> nik90 yep
[16:40] <nik90> Diogo: ah ok,
[16:40]  * nik90 takes a look
[16:41] <qtros> nik90 hmm... standard WebView is deprecated and nobody knows how to use new :D
[16:41] <nik90> qtros: yeah, however the documentation at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Web/ seems quite limited. I would love to see some examples there :/
[16:42] <nik90> Diogo: ok so your code creates a mysql object in c++. Do you want to access the mysql object in c++ or in qml?
[16:43] <nik90> Diogo: If you want to do all the sql commands in qml, it is better to look at the link I pasted earlier
[16:43] <nik90> Diogo: on the other hand, if you want to use it in your c++ code, it seems ok
[16:44] <nik90> Diogo: you will still need to add some functions for additonal functionality
[16:45] <Diogo> nik90: i dont understand c++ thats why i asked help
[16:45] <qtros> Diogo and what do you want to do with this code?
[16:46] <nik90> Diogo: as qtros where do you want to use this code? In qml or c++ ?
[16:46] <Diogo> nik90: i've found out that the only possible way you can make the mysql contection in qml is using c++
[16:46] <Diogo> qml
[16:46] <Diogo> nik90: qml
[16:46] <nik90> Diogo: ok then check out http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-localstorage-qmlmodule.html
[16:46] <nik90> Diogo: that is sql in qml
[16:46] <nik90>  <Diogo> nik90: i've found out that the only possible way you can make the mysql contection in qml is using c++
[16:46] <nik90> ^^ that is plain wrong
[16:47] <Diogo> nik90: is it??
[16:47] <nik90> yes
[16:47] <Diogo> nik90: javascript cant make the conection
[16:47] <nik90> Diogo: Did you read  http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-localstorage-qmlmodule.html ?
[16:48] <Diogo> nik90:i'm going to read it
[16:48] <nik90> Diogo: they are using javascript to make the connection
[16:49] <Diogo> nik90: they are using sqlite
[16:49] <Diogo> nik90: imagin you have an app that requires you to do the login
[16:50] <Diogo> nik90: and the database with you data is on the server
[16:51] <Diogo> nik90: what type of DB woudl you use?
[16:51] <qtros> Diogo yes, remote connection only with cpp
[16:51] <nik90> Diogo: then I would use MySQL since it is in a remote server
[16:51] <nik90> Diogo: you didn't specify the remote server part earlier :)
[16:51] <Diogo> nik90: sorry
[16:52] <Diogo> nik90: about that
[16:52] <nik90> Diogo: In that case, you will have to create a C++ plugin that you can import in your qml code.
[16:52] <nik90> Diogo: However you will need to also set up cmakelists to ensure that the c++ gets built rproperly when running your app
[16:53] <Diogo> nik90: i have a huge problem now
[16:53] <nik90> Diogo: In Qtcreator, in the create project wizard, you will have to choose "App with QML Extension Library"
[16:54] <Diogo> nik90: because i dont know how to program in c++
[16:54] <nik90> Diogo: you will have to learn I am afraid
[16:55] <nik90> Diogo: I was in the same boat 2-3 weeks ago where I had to develop C++ plugins for the clock app.
[16:55] <nik90> Diogo: I did some reading and eventually am getting used to it
[16:55] <Diogo> nik90: any good pleaces to learn it?
[16:56] <nik90> Diogo: well if you want to learn C++, then http://www.learncpp.com/ should be good
[16:56] <nik90> Diogo: however after that you will have to know how to develop with Qt C++
[16:57] <Diogo> nik90: and did you see the voidream tutorials??
[16:57] <nik90> Diogo: ?
[16:57] <nik90> Diogo: I knew a bit of c++ from high school, so I started to work straight on the Qt C++ part
[16:58] <Diogo> nik90: look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtOzh0StTc&list=PL2D1942A4688E9D63
[16:59] <nik90> Diogo: ooh yes, I saw some of his videos
[17:01] <Diogo> nik90: i've created the "App with QML Extension Library" to see the files
[17:01] <Diogo> and i see the backed.cpp
[17:01] <nik90> backend.cpp
[17:02] <Diogo> nik90: and i see the backed.cpp in Myapp folder
[17:02] <Diogo> nik90: etc..
[17:02] <nik90> yup
[17:03] <nik90> so basically the backend folder holds your c++ plugin stuff
[17:03] <nik90> while your main qml code is in the app folder
[17:03] <Diogo> nik90: the new thing for me to is now the app folder and the .. folder
[17:03] <nik90> Diogo: dont worry about the .. folder. It is part of cmake
[17:03] <Diogo> nik90: what is cmake?
[17:04] <nik90> Diogo: it is sort of like an instruction list which tells the compiler what to do before running your app
[17:06] <Diogo> nik90: so i'll develope my c++ plugins in  the Myapp folder right?
[17:07] <nik90> Diogo: there should be already a sample C++ plugin class
[17:07] <nik90> Diogo: you can just change that with your own class
[17:08] <Diogo> nik90: so i'll change mytype.cpp and mytype.h for that right?
[17:09] <nik90> Diogo: yeah
[17:10] <Diogo> nik90: you are the best man
[17:10] <Diogo> nik90: for a hole day i've asked on forms and no one did say anything
[17:12] <Diogo> nik90: and now when i ask to the community of the OS i love so muhc they help me
[17:12] <nik90> Diogo: make sure you accordingly change the CMakeList.txt file when you rename the mytype.cpp or mytype.h files
[17:12] <nik90> Diogo: no worries
[17:13] <nik90> Diogo: just push this to your github or launchpad branch and then we can better help with debugging
[17:15] <Diogo> nik90: i'm going to study c++ for a day or 2 and then i'll begin to put everything in github
[17:15] <nik90> ok
[17:18] <Diogo> nik90: and then i'll tell you :)
[17:18] <Diogo> nik90: thanks for everything :D
[17:19] <nik90> Diogo: yw
[17:37] <qtros> Hi all
[17:37] <qtros> Can someone tell how to use QML package "Ubuntu.Web" on desktop?
[17:54] <qtros> Can someone tell how to use QML package "Ubuntu.Web" on desktop
[19:47] <mhall119> qtros: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Web.WebView/
[19:47] <mhall119> qtros: you probably need to be running Utopic on the desktop to use it though
[19:48] <mhall119> qtros: also make sure you have qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-web-plugin installed
[19:50] <mhall119> hope that helps, /me is going afk for a bit
[20:29] <qtros> mhall119 ping
[20:58] <mhall119> qtros: pong
[20:59] <qtros> mhall119 "you probably need to be running Utopic on the desktop to use it though" - does it mean that I always must develop for UP only on latest version of Ubuntu? ...
[20:59] <qtros> mhall119 what if I prefer stable releases?
[21:00] <mhall119> qtros: once we have phones on the market there will be a stable release, right now "stable" (Trusty) is missing some many needed features that you'd be hurting yourself to target it
[21:01] <mhall119> I don't know if anybody even still runs it on a phone
[21:01] <qtros> mhall119 no no, I mean desktop version of Ubuntu)
[21:01] <mhall119> if you're only interested in targeting desktops, then there's a case to be made for using only the sdk-14.04 framework, but Ubuntu.Web isn't in it
[21:01] <mhall119> qtros: you can run the stable desktop version and target Utopic in an emulator
[21:02] <mhall119> that's still not 100% smooth, but it works
[21:02] <qtros> mhall119 but if I interested to target both, I should use 14.10 for now?
[21:02] <mhall119> my "not smooth" I mean QtCreator won't recognize the newer API elements, so some of the help if offers won't work
[21:02] <mhall119> qtros: if you use the sdk-14.10 framework, you'll only be able to target utopic and future releases, not trusty
[21:03] <mhall119> that goes for phone and desktop
[21:04] <qtros> mhall119 I just want to write apps for UP and have ability to test them on desktop like before)
[21:09] <qtros> mhall119 is it possible on Utopic?)
[21:12] <mhall119> only if you have Utopic on the desktop
[21:12] <mhall119> if you have trusty on the desktop, you can only run your app locally if it's using the sdk-14.04 framework APIs
[21:15] <mhall119> basically sdk-14.04 means "Trusty and above", sdk-14.10 means "Utopic and above"
[21:15] <mhall119> so you can use an sdk-14.04 app in Utopic, but not an sdk-14.10 app in Trusty


[06:29] <hazmat> console-output -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1306529/
[07:20] <rogpeppe> fwereade: trivial? https://codereview.appspot.com/6776051
[07:22]  * fwereade looks
[07:23] <Aram> rogpeppe: "The Elements of Style" uses quotation marks in the same way we use them for quoting subjects in error messages.
[07:23] <Aram> it's elementary english usage.
[07:24] <Aram> the use of quotes for expressing irony is unusual and more rare.
[07:24] <rogpeppe> Aram: can you link to an example?
[07:27] <fwereade> rogpeppe, yeah, I think it is trivial
[08:13] <fwereade> https://codereview.appspot.com/6781043/
[08:13] <davecheney> jynx!
[10:02] <rogpeppe> http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/TEC99/paper.ps
[10:29] <rogpeppe> davecheney: http://codereview.appspot.com/6789043
[10:39] <davecheney> rogpeppe: yes, i saw
[10:39] <davecheney> thank you
[10:49] <rogpeppe> davecheney: try this: https://codereview.appspot.com/6774050
[10:54] <fwereade> davecheney, is there some distinction between https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1071320 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1052836 of which I am unaware?
[10:54] <davecheney> fwereade: no, just that it is hard to search for things in LP
[10:54] <davecheney> even when I use the test name as the key
[14:05] <davecheney> http://codereview.appspot.com/6734043/
[14:14] <fwereade> niemeyer, would like a chat about Relation.Destroy shortly -- are you likely to be free in <5 mins, or can I slope off for a ciggie?
[14:16]  * fwereade slopes off
[15:10] <davecheney> PSA: appengine is totes broken
[15:11] <davecheney> so reitveld is down
[15:12] <niemeyer> mthaddon: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1307365/
[15:20] <niemeyer> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1307377/


[14:20] <G__81> hi
[14:20] <joever> hi guys
[14:21] <G__81> i am having a system with xubuntu installed (12.04) and i face issues with shortcuts, especially the terminal does not get maximized when i press Alt+ F7
[14:21] <G__81> anyone facing this problem ?
[14:21] <biuffon> hi
[14:22] <joever> does anyone can help me with how to make xubuntu run faster? 12.04
[14:22] <joever> please thanks :)
[14:54] <Mathias> is there a way to boot up from a cd via grub?
[14:54] <Mathias> i kind of messed it up
[14:59] <baizon> insert the cd and boot from it :)
[14:59] <Mathias> i can't
[15:13] <G__81> why is that some of the keyboard shortcuts are broken in xubuntu
[15:14] <G__81> i am using 4.10 but i saw the same problem with 4.8 as well
[15:16] <recon_lap> G__81: 4.10? anyway, do you mean media keys by keyboard shortcuts?
[15:17] <G__81> the maximize key is broken which i saw especially and few others.
[15:17] <G__81> the Alt+F7 does not work
[15:18] <G__81> if you change it to something else it works for that session and once you reboot it stops working again
[15:20] <recon_lap> G__81: http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/#defaultshortcuts
[15:21] <G__81> recon_lap, yes i have seen that . Try out the Alt+F7 one Maximizing the window it does not work
[15:22] <recon_lap> G_81: did you upgrade? if so read the know issues.
[15:22] <G__81> recon_lap, i installed 4.8 and it didnt work and then upgraded to 4.10 it still does not work
[15:28] <recon_lap> G_81: your right, seems like it's fubar , maybe someone with more exp will help
[15:29] <recon_lap> I reset to defaults and F5,F6,F7 all dont do anything
[15:30] <recon_lap> opps, I take that back , f7 does not do anything
[15:30] <apm1> recon_lap, thinkpad ?
[15:30] <recon_lap> no, aspire
[15:31] <apm1> "god" save people from acer :D
[15:32] <apm1> recon_lap, new ?
[15:32] <apm1> ^if you can return it :D
[15:33] <recon_lap> apm, laptop is over 4 years old and still limping along :)
[15:33] <apm1> recon_lap, netbook ?
[15:33] <apm1> what distro ? xubuntu ?
[15:34] <recon_lap> aspire 6930g with nvedia 6800 , xubuntu
[15:34] <apm1> nvidia geforce 6800 huh nice :)
[15:35] <apm1> my nvidia machine owns my ati  bigtime
[15:35] <recon_lap> don't see any of the f-5 f-6 or f-7 shortcuts in the keyboard setting app
[15:36] <apm1> recon_lap, do you have a "fn" key on your aspire ?
[15:36] <recon_lap> yep, spent the extra when buying it
[15:36] <apm1> ?
[15:37] <apm1> the function key is present or not ?
[15:37] <recon_lap> apm1: I got the fn key, I spent extra to get the nvidia video card
[15:37] <apm1> ok
[15:37] <apm1> try holding fn key and then press f1,f2...
[15:38] <recon_lap> apm1, they work, but fn-7 turns my screen off
[15:38] <recon_lap> fn-f7
[15:39] <apm1> fn-f7 is genrally mapped for your vga cable port output at least on my thinkpad it is
[15:40] <recon_lap> well, it's G__81 who wants the alt-f7 key to work
[15:40] <Sysi> winkey + B is so much better :P
[15:41] <recon_lap> I'd be happy to see the functions operate and documented ;)
[15:41] <recon_lap> and/as
[15:41] <Mathias> yay, i managed to boot from usb via grub :P
[15:45] <recon_lap> hmm, might have to re-login to get changes to work, brb
[15:47] <recon_lap> nope, alt-f7 not maximizing windows
[15:47] <Mathias> ;3~
[15:48] <Mathias> lol, that's what alt+f7 does in irssi :P
[15:48] <TheSheep> recon_lap: all the keys are configured in the window manager settings and you can view them there
[15:48] <Mathias> try alt+f10
[15:48] <Mathias> alt+f9 minimizes and alt+f10 maximizes
[15:49] <Mathias> or normalizes?
[15:49] <Mathias> unmaximizes*
[15:49] <torax> Hey, Can the keyboard used to install xubuntu effect the system keyboard layout of the installed system?
[15:49] <Sysi> alt F7 set for maximizing works fine for me
[15:50] <Sysi> 4.10 on 12.04
[15:50] <TheSheep> torax: not, but it may affect it
[15:50] <recon_lap> Mathias: alt - f10 maximizes alright, but why do the release not say that alt-f7 does this?
[15:50] <recon_lap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[15:50] <TheSheep> torax: you can't effect a keyboard with software, unless it's software in a keyboard factory
[15:52] <torax> Because I have installed xubuntu on 2 computers with logitech K250 and had "bug" in both that it uses us layout and I cannot change login screen keyboard layout from anywhere. But when I installed xubuntu from same media to same computer with another keyboard the layout worked
[15:53] <Mathias> doesn't that just depend on what you choose under the installation?
[15:53] <torax> yes, thats why this is so weird
[15:53] <TheSheep> torax: you choose the keyboard layout during the installation, in the installer
[15:53] <recon_lap> well. my keyboard layout is set to irish
[15:54] <torax> TheSheep: I always chose finnish keyboard
[15:54] <recon_lap> Top of the morning to all of ya ;)
[15:54] <Mathias> i always choose norwegian keyboard
[15:54] <Mathias> weird isn't it?
[15:54] <recon_lap> begor it tis
[15:56] <recon_lap> G__81: does alt-f10 work for you?
[15:57] <recon_lap> cant seem to find where the FX shortcut keys are set, they dont show in keyboard setting
[15:57] <torax> TheSheep: approaching from different angle, where does one set login screen keyboard layout
[15:58] <ekkos> I have (two) problems with Xubuntu/Xfce (not sure which to adress..). a) When mounting a cryptsetup drive it accepts the key and mounts just fine. But tells me that there is a job pending on /dev/md-1 (i dont have a mdadm raid). and b) The places menu does not display an icon for the cryptsetup drive.
[15:59] <ekkos> Does anybody know a solution for these problems ?
[15:59] <TheSheep> torax: you have an icon in the upper left corner to change it, and the default is the system's default, which you can change with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'
[16:02] <ekkos> oh. i just noticed about /dev/md-0 : /dev/mapper is a symlink to it
[16:02] <ekkos> /dev/mapper/{uuid}
[16:03] <recon_lap> G__81: ok, found the keyboard shortcuts, they are in System Setting -> Window Manager -> Keyboard
[16:05] <recon_lap> Alt-F7 is in there as maximize window but it does not work :(
[16:07] <recon_lap> alt f-10 is not in there but it maximizes the window ???
[16:11] <G__81> recon_lap, you can delete the shortcut and add it again it will work but reboot will lose it again
[16:12] <torax> TheSheep: I am able to change kb layout with dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, but the settings does not last when I log in again
[16:12] <TheSheep> torax: look into /etc/default/keyboard
[16:12] <Mathias> i need some help fixing my grub now, could anyone help me? :)
[16:14] <torax> TheSheep: XKBLAYOUT=fi
[16:14] <TheSheep> torax: looks fine
[16:15] <recon_lap> Mathias: hmm, dont like messing with people boot record
[16:15] <joever> hi guys
[16:16] <joever> i'm running xubuntu 12.04. experiencing fuzzy and blurry fonts. can someone help me please/
[16:16] <joever> ?
[16:16] <recon_lap> G__81: ok, seems that there is a bug in there, you could use alt-f10 and file a bug report
[16:16] <Mathias> *bleeeep* it
[16:16] <Mathias> i'll just reinstall
[16:17] <recon_lap> Mathias: have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html , are you installing with a USB stick or a CD?
[16:17] <Mathias> USB
[16:17] <Mathias> managed to boot it via grub :P
[16:17] <torax> TheSheep: yep everything seems like fi layout would be in use, but I havent yet been able to change login screen layout, I dont have button to change it in the the login screen itself
[16:18] <recon_lap> Mathias: so the USB stick did not work without tweeking
[16:18] <Mathias> recon_lap: locked up computer ;P
[16:20] <recon_lap> Mathias: how did you create the live USB on the flashdrive?
[16:20] <Mathias> with my other laptop (the one that's barely useable)
[16:21] <recon_lap> Mathias: is it running XUbuntu, what program did you use to write the iso to the USB
[16:21] <Mathias> xubuntu 12.04 and unetbootin
[16:22] <Mathias> the laptop(broken one) is installing now :D
[16:23] <recon_lap> Mathias: crosses finges
[16:24] <Mathias> yeah, if it breaks i'll have nothing to do today and then i need to borrow a comp with a sata-interface :P
[16:29] <G__81> recon_lap, yeah will file it. There is another bug. When i do git clone or pull i get this warning
[16:29] <G__81> "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-ySN77r/pkcs11: No such file or directory
[16:29] <G__81> Already up-to-date.
[16:29] <G__81> "
[16:29] <G__81> anyone else facing this ?
[16:30] <recon_lap> G__81: remember reading that issues somewhere recently
[16:30] <Mathias> tried making the file just to see what happens?
[16:31] <recon_lap> G__81:  the /tmp/ folder look a bit suspicious to me
[16:32] <v1adimir> not using it atm, but tmp does look strange?..
[16:37] <recon_lap> ok, tmp not looking so odd now, probably where is stores you credentials for that session
[16:37] <recon_lap> found a old bug report from ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/932177
[16:41] <recon_lap> G__81: you see that bug report ^^
[16:42] <G__81> yeah looks like its not released as such?
[16:42] <G__81> the bug fix for it
[16:43] <Mathias> ok, now i'm going to reboot it
[16:43] <Mathias> let's hope it doesn't *bleep* itself up
[16:43] <G__81> recon_lap, it says this as a workaround http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649408#109
[16:43] <G__81> can gnome-keyring be uninstalled ?
[16:46] <recon_lap> G__81:  that fix was targeted for release 4.6 of xfce , seems it's back for you
[16:46] <G__81> recon_lap, looks like it should be for 4.10
[16:46] <G__81> This should be fixed with xfce4-session 4.10 (in quantal), but gnome-compat needs to be reenabled by default now (Bug #1008993).
[16:47] <G__81> i am using 4.10 and i am still seeing it
[16:47] <recon_lap> G__81:  it's a zombie bug , back from the dead :)
[16:48] <G__81> :)
[16:49] <recon_lap> G__81: I dont get any messages from keyring , so cant really comment
[16:49] <recon_lap> G__81: you running 64bit?
[16:50] <G__81> yes i am running 64 bit
[16:50] <G__81> i added a comment to that bug stating that i am facing the problem still
[16:54] <orangepnut> what's a good program to burn an iso
[16:55] <holstein> orangepnut: the default one works well.. i think that is xfburn
[16:55] <holstein> orangepnut: you can open the package manager of your choice and search for burners if you dont like the default one
[16:55] <holstein> brasero is a commonly used one
[16:56] <SkippersBoss> k3b has always been my favourite
[16:57] <holstein> yup.. if you dont mind the KDE libs.. k3b is *very* nice
[16:58] <v1adimir> lol I get so mad when I don't notice the KDE dependence and a whole truckload of stuff gets installed with a program :s
[16:59] <recon_lap> danm, forgot my ssh passphrase aggh
[17:00] <v1adimir> xD
[17:02] <recon_lap> G__81: might be a 64bit issue, but not sure if I'm even using keyring
[17:02] <Mathias> recon_lap: get a smartcard with certifcates on :P
[17:04] <v1adimir> Mathias: that's a great idea, to have a computer key for everything.. i should look into it. =)
[17:04] <Mathias> :P
[17:04] <Mathias> i've ordered some smartcards because i'm lazy and i keep forgetting stuff :P
[17:04] <v1adimir> no rly lol, never actually figured it out
[17:05] <v1adimir> hehe cool
[17:07] <Mathias> and they're cool
[17:07] <v1adimir> :)
[17:07] <Mathias> adds more geekyness to the laptops :P
[17:14] <biuffon> please some help. =( xubuntu hangs when i  use any app with a little of 3d graphic..
[17:15] <biuffon> and drives seems to be good installed
[17:15] <holstein> biuffon: drivers? they "seem" good?
[17:16] <holstein> thats what i would look into.. the graphics driver
[17:16] <biuffon> and glxgears opens a window but doest show the gears
[17:17] <biuffon> sorry about my English
[17:17] <holstein> biuffon: sounds like a graphics driver issue then...
[17:18] <biuffon> yep. =S i dont know how to fix it..
[17:19] <biuffon> lspci grep vga: Ati Express 200m
[17:19] <holstein> biuffon: i would search around for a bug relating to that specific hardware.. i would check for and apply all updates.. i would search for an older driver to try... maybe try that PPA... xorg edgers
[17:20] <biuffon> im using those xorg..
[17:20] <recon_lap> biuffon: you probably need to install the property drivers for that graphics card
[17:20] <holstein> biuffon: the xorg edgers PPA? that could be the issue... i would look for the proprietary driver that recon_lap is mentioning that i was assuming you had installed
[17:21] <biuffon> but propertary  doest work since 2008 i think.. ati leave support
[17:21] <biuffon> =/
[17:22] <biuffon> thats what i found..
[17:22] <recon_lap> thats why I alway go for nivida graphics cards, better support
[17:22] <biuffon> i cant change.. its my laptop integrated graphics
[17:22] <biuffon> haha
[17:24] <biuffon>  recon_lap ?
[17:25] <recon_lap> biuffon: well, if you want more specific help you need to at lest give us make and model of you computer, can say that i can help though
[17:25] <recon_lap> can't*
[17:26] <biuffon> Good its a toshiba satellite pro a100
[17:26] <biuffon> intel celerom m
[17:26] <biuffon> 512 ram
[17:27] <v1adimir> *celeron ;)
[17:27] <biuffon> haha my bad..
[17:27] <v1adimir> :p
[17:28] <biuffon> in using xubuntu 12.04
[17:28] <biuffon> i'm *
[17:30] <biuffon> ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[17:31] <holstein> biuffon: i would probably force vesa and test.. i remember being so happy when i got rid of my old satelite that was a pain with linux
[17:32] <biuffon> haha.. i know what you mean
[17:33] <biuffon> give me a hint how to do that? then i keep going..
[17:33] <biuffon> please =)
[17:35] <recon_lap> biuffon: not looking good from what i'm reading
[17:36] <biuffon> =S
[17:39] <recon_lap> biuffon: might be better to look for a old cheep nvidia laptop video card and install it
[17:39] <biuffon> i'll making a xorg.cong file..
[17:39] <biuffon> i'l try **
[17:53] <holstein> biuffon: i sometimes use a puppylinux live CD to setup a vesa enviroment that is working, and copy the xorg.conf
[17:54] <biuffon> fine.. i'll for it
[17:54] <biuffon> puppylinux
[22:53] <tuxhat> hey
[23:19] <AndreeeCZ> hi! running latest stable xubuntu. When i set my panel to autohide, it cannot be unhidden by mouse. When its set to visible all the time, its visible
[23:23] <holstein> AndreeeCZ: are you up to date with upgrades?
[23:23] <holstein> AndreeeCZ: i would try as a new user
[23:25] <AndreeeCZ> holstein, ah.. it seems that it works now. Not shure what solved it
[23:25] <AndreeeCZ> sure :D
[23:33] <AndreeeCZ> holstein, my next problem : :)
[23:33] <AndreeeCZ> i cant set brightness
[23:33] <AndreeeCZ> via xfce4-power-manager-plugins
[23:33] <AndreeeCZ> and the brightness plugin
[23:33] <AndreeeCZ> when i click on it on the panel, nothing happens


[05:23] <mup> PR snapd#12092 closed: overlord/servicestate: disallow removal of quota group with any limits set <Simple 😃> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12092>
[05:38] <mup> PR snapd#12081 closed: interfaces: grant access to speech-dispatcher socket (bug 1787245) <Created by lissyx> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12081>
[05:48] <mup> PR snapd#12094 closed: data/systemd/Makefile: add comment warning about "snapd." prefix <Simple 😃> <Documentation> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12094>
[06:33] <mup> PR snapd#12107 opened: sandbox/cgroup: don't check V1 cgroup if V2 is active <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12107>
[07:23] <mup> PR snapd#12106 closed: release: merge changelog for 2.57.2 <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12106>
[08:14] <mup> PR snapd#12108 opened: build-aux: move snapcraft branch to 2.57 <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12108>
[08:19] <mup> PR snapd#12109 opened: Expand login control interface <Created by IsaacJT> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12109>
[09:44] <mup> PR snapd#11899 closed: [WIP] o/snapstate, o/assertstate: enforce snaps to satisfy a list of validation sets <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11899>
[11:24] <mup> PR snapd#12061 closed: interfaces: rework logic of unclashMountEntries <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12061>
[12:20] <mup> PR snapd#11673 closed: snap-confine: remove obsolete code <Created by mardy> <Merged by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11673>
[13:15] <mup> PR snapd#12104 closed: many: support '--purge' when removing multiple snaps <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12104>
[13:30] <mup> PR snapd#12110 opened: asserts,boot,secboot: switch to a secboot version measuring classic <Run nested> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12110>
[14:20] <mup> PR snapd#12111 opened: cmd/snap: let userd create the XDG directories <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12111>
[15:51] <mup> PR snapd#12103 closed: i/b/system-observe: allow reading processes security label <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12103>
[17:11] <mup> PR snapd#12052 closed: daemon: add GET support for `/systems/<seed-label>` <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12052>
[17:51] <mup> PR snapd#12112 opened: client: add API for GET /systems/<label> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12112>
[18:11] <mup> PR snapd#12113 opened: daemon: return `storage-encryption` in /systems/<label> reply <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12113>
[19:51] <mup> PR snapd#12108 closed: build-aux: move snapcraft branch to 2.57 <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12108>
[22:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3901 opened: store: on prem support for list-revisions <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3901>
[23:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3902 opened: commands: update lifecycle docstrings <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3902>


[01:41] <JanC> kreignf: are the modules not loading, or are they loading too late?
[01:42] <JanC> remember that many upstart jobs run in parallel
[01:59] <twb> Am I right in thinking that neither --verbose nor --debug show me the FOO=bar values associated with each event?
[02:00] <twb> And if so, is there a way to see those values?
[03:11] <kreign> SpamapS, I will say this... dear god it's awesome having a system boot 'completely' off of USB before I can walk the 5 feet to my keyboard
[03:11] <kreign> ... and log in remotely
[03:26] <twb> kreign: you using live-boot?
[03:27] <kreign> twb, I'm not sure what live-boot is.
[03:27] <kreign> twb, though it sounds interesting; what is it? :)
[03:27] <twb> It's a fork of casper
[03:27] <twb> With the idea of being useful for everybody, rather than just canonical
[03:36] <kreign> twb, hmm no, I'm not all that familiar with it, to be honest. I was just trying to get upstart to work with zfs.
[03:36] <kreign> on ubuntu
[03:36] <twb> zfs-fuse?
[03:36] <kreign> no
[03:36]  * twb blinks
[03:36] <twb> There's an Ubuntu kFreeBSD now?
[03:36] <kreign> no
[03:37] <kreign> it's ubuntu with the CDDL ported modules.
[03:37] <kreign> just ubuntu
[03:37] <kreign> takes about 10 minutes.
[03:37] <kreign> ... just have to figure out the little 'ifs' and 'buts' :P
[03:37] <twb> I guess that's OK if you don't redistribute the result...
[03:37] <kreign> no
[03:37] <kreign> but the knowledge of how to do so, or the deb packages, should be fair game.
[03:38] <kreign> twb, if you're curious I'll stick in here tomorrow and give you the info
[03:38] <kreign> time to put the kids to bed though
[03:38] <twb> Not really; my money's on btrfs
[03:38] <kreign> eh
[03:38] <kreign> have you used zfs? :P
[03:38] <twb> Yes, on osol.
[03:38] <kreign> ah
[03:38] <kreign> imo btrfs is years behind
[03:38] <twb> Granted.
[03:39] <kreign> I don't have time to wait around.
[03:39] <kreign> for what I need, zfs is the trick
[03:39] <kreign> stable or no
[03:39] <kreign> (and it appears to be acceptably so, fwiw... I've not been able to break it yet, and the freebsd implementation is somewhat easy to cause issue with)
[03:39] <kreign> at any rate
[03:39]  * kreign poofs
[03:40] <twb> But CDDL means that Debian can't ever distribute systems that support ZFS out of the box, so I'm not inclined to jump through hoops for it.
[03:40] <twb> It's the same reason I avoid MP3
[05:05] <JanC> kreign: there was somebody with the same problem last week or so
[05:05] <SpamapS> twb: MP3 has an expiration date though
[05:05] <twb> SpamapS: granted.
[05:06] <JanC> kreign: and like I suggested before, your problem is that the module gets loaded too late
[05:06] <SpamapS> if wikipedia is to believe, decoding may be patent free in the US just about the time the world ends, December 2012
[05:07] <JanC> kreign: you need to make sure all zfs modules are loaded before trying to mount the ZFS filesystem...
[05:07] <SpamapS> ahh yes
[05:07] <SpamapS> startup and started udev will race with mountall
[05:08] <twb> JanC: how do you do that?  Do you have to patch the mountall script to say start on [...] && modules?
[05:08] <SpamapS> change it to 'start on mounting TYPE=zfs'
[05:08] <SpamapS> mountall blocks on mounting and mounted events
[05:08] <SpamapS> they are considered hook points
[05:09] <SpamapS> its tricky, but if you look at the way nfs-ustils was recently patched in natty, you can actually use them in an and-like fashion with other events.
[05:10] <SpamapS> ustils.. my typing has really suffered since losting my old MS elite keyboard.. need to go find another one. :-/
[05:10] <JanC> I think a "task" that loads the zfs modules, and has "start on starting mountall" or something like that might suffice, but I would have to look into the logs what he finally used
[05:11] <JanC> well, anything that makes mountall wait on that task to finish  ;)
[05:13] <SpamapS> starting mountall might work too
[05:14] <SpamapS> Actually yeah, since modules will always be on the rootfs, I think thats a nice simple solution.
[05:23] <twb> SpamapS: no model M?
[11:08] <djszapi> JanC: ping
[15:49] <kreignf> JanC, for whatever reason, including the modules in /etc/modules does not result in them being loaded. not sure why.
[15:50] <kreignf> JanC, also, I was that person with the problem last week. I never got it resolved then, though I figured out a workaround. :)


[02:08] <jrgifford_> sorry i missed the meeting. :(
[02:08] <skellat> jrgifford_: No problemo
[02:08] <Unit193> jrgifford_: You get pinged enough anyway?
[02:08] <jrgifford_> Unit193, did I?
[02:09] <jrgifford_> i've kinda been gone for the past 6 days.
[02:09] <Unit193> Hmmm, maybe only twice. :(
[02:09] <jrgifford_> like, nothing.
[02:09] <skellat> jrgifford_: See: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/18/%23ubuntu-us-oh.html#t23:32
[02:09] <jenni> [ /srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/18/#ubuntu-us-oh.txt ] - https://j.mp/1aABcD7
[02:09] <jrgifford_> nope, only once.
[02:10] <Unit193> :(
[02:11] <skellat> It is summer time
[02:11] <skellat> It is a hard time to get much done
[02:12] <skellat> I missed the Xubuntu meeting that morning
[02:12] <skellat> The updated list of Ubuntu Members this morning as Cheri updated herself on Launchpad and Jacob said he's in Seattle nowadays: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5895939/
[02:12] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Pastebin ] - https://j.mp/1aABwBH
[02:21] <skellat> I would like to get a majority of Ubuntu Members from Ubuntu Ohio present at OLF which means that I need to be there as well as both of you, Unit193 and jrgifford_
[02:21]  * Unit193 unsubscribes from Ubuntumembers.
[02:22] <Unit193> skellat: Really, dial it back a notch...
[02:22] <skellat> I shall
[02:22] <jrgifford_> skellat, i'll see what i can do.
[02:22] <jrgifford_> would <3 to make it to OLF
[02:23] <Unit193> Say, wasn't there an Ubuntu Ohio google calendar?
[02:24] <skellat> If there was, I never knew about it
[02:25] <skellat> There is a G+
[02:26] <skellat> Meh: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/calendar
[02:26] <jenni> [ Calendar | Ubuntu Ohio ] - https://j.mp/eGml2U
[02:26] <jrgifford_> They don't have any details on cost for this year :(
[02:28] <skellat> I dunno
[02:29] <skellat> Call For Proposals ended on July 8th yet the link and submit form for that is still wide open too
[02:35] <skellat> jrgifford_: How is the weather looking in the outer 'burbs of Cleveland?
[02:39] <skellat> Beauty: http://youtu.be/sDeZDXZvCuY
[02:39] <jenni> [ JJC Kyodo News Agency (Japan/Singapore) - News in english and japanese - 16971 kHz (FAX 60/576) - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/1aADKB0
[13:07] <canthus13> Well doesn't this suck: http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-forums-hacked-1-82m-logins-email-addresses-stolen-7000018336/
[13:07] <jenni> [ Ubuntu forums hacked; 1.82M logins, email addresses stolen | ZDNet ] - https://j.mp/12V9fUV
[13:35] <skellat> canthus13: And here's what I said in the matter last night: http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2013/07/41-late-july-notes-from-ohio-leader/
[13:35] <jenni> [ Late July Notes From Ohio Leader ] - https://j.mp/12VfesI


[19:20] <mamarley> ricotz: 396.51 is in https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages :)
[19:21] <mamarley> For Bionic and Cosmic, I backported the changes from the official 390.77 packages.