[19:07] <LinuxNovice> can anybody explain what is the advantage of Ubuntu over Fedora?
[19:07] <ioria> sysmgmt,  are you using cable as well ?
[19:07] <nacc> LinuxNovice: they are different, and that is not particularly ontopic for this channel
[19:07] <sysmgmt> ioria: currently im on cable
[19:08] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: extcalc
[19:08] <sysmgmt> ioria: otherwise, i would not have been able to fetch/write at the same time, when trying to fix/troubleshoot wifi nic
[19:08] <blabladog_> is there a preferred way to use a nfs mount in (GUI) ubuntu 16.04?
[19:08] <sysmgmt> ioria: Sorch please have a look here on this pastebin - this is from syslog when i try to connect to my wireless access point.
[19:08] <LinuxNovice> I am new to Linux. I have an old laptop. Could anybody suggest a suitable linux distro for it?
[19:08] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: state RAM/CPU/hdd/ssd? but probably ubuntu
[19:09] <ioria> sysmgmt,  i see , but depends on the device, it would be better to troubleshoot with only one activated
[19:09] <sysmgmt> Sorch: ioria please take a look here http://hastebin.com/ujeyucivas.nginx  this is when i try to connect and syslog tells it all
[19:09] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: for novices I'd recommend ubuntu > mint > debian > fedora > others (but everyone's opinion differs)
[19:09] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: you probably are missing some libraries, but not sure which ones -- you could search aroudn to figure out which library provides that symbol and install the corresponding -dev packages
[19:10] <LinuxNovice> 2 GB RAM, Intel Celeron M with 1.8 GHz, 40 GB HDD.
[19:10] <sysmgmt> ioria: yeah i guess that is correct, but i need the cable in order to fetch/download driver or .deb files
[19:10] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: you might consider some lightweight distro but I guess ubuntu will run OKish on it
[19:10] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: Lubuntu is pretty simple but very light on RAM/disk
[19:10] <ioria> sysmgmt, sorry for asking, but have you configured your wifi interface ssid, wpa etc. etc . ?
[19:10] <LinuxNovice> Ok. Thanks a lot.
[19:11] <sysmgmt> ioria: of cource
[19:12] <sysmgmt> ioria: i already configured it, and put in password, secrets etc but from graphical tool.
[19:12] <Jordan_> hello
[19:12] <ioria> sysmgmt, wlp2s0: link is not ready
[19:12] <Jordan_> Can you guys see my messages?
[19:12] <l0llip0p> Jordan_, yes
[19:13] <LinuxNovice> Is Linux Mint better than Ubuntu or its variants for Linux newbies ??
[19:13] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: not imho but people disagree
[19:13] <ioria> sysmgmt, can you paste     ip  a
[19:13] <sysmgmt> ioria: ip a ?
[19:13] <ioria> sysmgmt, yep
[19:13] <LinuxNovice> Why? Could you elaborate?
[19:14] <Jordan_> So I just got a pc at walmart, immediately replaced the hdd with the ssd from my other pc. It won't boot, says there is no Bootable device detected
[19:14] <sysmgmt> ioria: root@Lenovo-ideapad-310-15ISK:/home/iran# ip a
[19:14] <sysmgmt> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1
[19:14] <sysmgmt>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
[19:14] <sysmgmt>     inet <IP_ADDRESS>/8 scope host lo
[19:14] <sysmgmt>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[19:14] <sysmgmt>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[19:14] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: just my experience; fewer hiccups on buntu
[19:14] <nacc> !pastebing | sysmgmt
[19:14] <nacc> !pastebin | sysmgmt
[19:14] <ioria> sysmgmt, in apastebinit, maybe
[19:14] <LinuxNovice> For the system resources I mentioned above which is better? Mint or Ubuntu?
[19:15] <LinuxNovice> Lubuntu seems pretty simple and unattractive.
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  2GB RAM that's more than powerful enough to run both
[19:15] <sysmgmt> ioria: do you want me to 'modprobe ath10k_pci'
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  assuming with a powerful enough proccesse,r how old isthe computer?
[19:15] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: lubuntu is made to save RAM
[19:15] <Dynetrekk> feel free to try real ubuntu
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you put 40GB hard disk, is that old, or do you mean ssd ?
[19:15] <LinuxNovice> I bought it in 2005.
[19:15] <Dynetrekk> Svd0+NBuwH+EEU
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok old
[19:16] <ioria> sysmgmt, 'ip a'  in apastebinit
[19:16] <LinuxNovice> It's a Hard Disk.
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok so Unity the interface of Ubuntu for the past few years probably won't work as well on such a old computer
[19:16] <sysmgmt> ioria: yes i did send you that.
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, as for example Mate
[19:16] <sysmgmt> ioria: modprobe -r ath10k_pci
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !mate
[19:16] <sysmgmt> ioria: modprobe -r ath10k_pci
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !cinnamon
[19:17] <sysmgmt> ioria: whenever you want, i do modprobe -i ath10k_pci  & of cource, here is ip a pastebin  http://hastebin.com/hivucamiju.pl
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> Ok. In your opinion Ubuntu Mate is better than Mint?
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, not sure if Ubuntu can easilly run Cinnamon interface based on GNOME 3, but more light waight looking, but generally Mint debatably isn't as needed now in general
[19:18] <LinuxNovice> Why is Mint featured at the top on Distrowatch ranking?
[19:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  the distro the distribution itself generally won't matter that much in your case, be that Ubuntu, Mint, or one of the thousands of other distros.  what will matter though for a useable enough system is a suitable interface etc
[19:18] <ioria> sysmgmt, probably it's a firmware issue, really idk. but i'd try to down eth0 and manually  up wlp2s0
[19:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, 2GB RAM is nice and powerful more than nice and powerful for most interfaces,  graphical user interfaces,  but with a slower proccesser could still be a bit of a let down on a partiular computer
[19:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, when I put interface do you  know what I mean, or sort of?
[19:19] <LinuxNovice> Ok. It was Windows XP installed on this system.  GNOME? KDE? etc?  no ?
[19:20] <LinuxNovice> Yes. I know what GUI is.
[19:20] <ioria> sysmgmt,  down enp1s0. i mean and up wlp2s0 : you can use sudo ip link set 'interface' down/up
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok, but do you   know what these are, GNOME, KDE, Unity,  etc
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Cinnamon, Mate, etc etc
[19:21] <LinuxNovice> Yes. I know a bit about them. They are desktops.
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> right, but certain dektops and their accompaning programs are more suitable than others, for certain computers
[19:21] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: seriously, partition your /home on a separate partition, then you can install and try several without much effort
[19:21] <Dynetrekk> that's the actual best recommendation
[19:22] <Dynetrekk> LinuxNovice: ubuntu mate, ubuntu, mint mate, might be good options
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that's one idea that Dynetrekk is suggeting, to have a sperate /home and put well more than just one Linux distro on the same computer,  however you can get a bit of a idea from the bootable Live  CD/DVD/USB what it would be like or not, if it would work enough or not
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, also with one distro, you can install lots of the interfaces into the same distro install
[19:22] <LinuxNovice> What about LXLE? I read somewhere that it
[19:23] <LinuxNovice> it is also a suitable linux distro for such old laptops
[19:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  have you got an Ubuntu install now?
[19:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or maybe mint if not
[19:23] <LinuxNovice> Yes. Lubuntu and Mint XFCE.
[19:23] <jhutchins> LinuxNovice: https://www.linux.com/news/best-linux-desktop-environments-2016
[19:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, one slight down side to Mint, well  support community wise.  if your running Mint even though so similar to real Ubuntu,  your not really meant to use this channel for support,  you can go on there network and use theirs though which is ok,  but I guess here is still better for support so
[19:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Mint is basically Ubuntu with some changes here and there, mostly the default interfaces
[19:25] <LinuxNovice> Is LXLE officially supported by Ubuntu?
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, so  Ubuntu itself with Unity, or one of the many other offically supported flavours,  such as LXDE  with Lubuntu,  or XFCE with Xubuntu,  or Mate with Ubuntu Mate etc, would probably be the better way to go really
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !lxde
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !lxqt
[19:26] <Dynetrekk> SebthreeBQM10HD: I'd actually recommend installing one distro at a time, try it for a week, see if you're happy; if not, try another to compare
[19:26] <kortyner> hello
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  personally Mint isn't as relevenat anymore as it once was, I think, since they don't do codecs by default, and Mate runs no problem in plenty of other distros including Ubuntu,  and Cinnamon can as well, oddly Ubuntu doesn't seem to support Cinnamon though
[19:26] <LinuxNovice> I tried Ubuntu for a while. It was very slow on my laptop.
[19:27] <kortyner> i have problem with steam for create icon on desktop ,i need help please
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, they stopped installing things by default into Mint,  that probably shoudn't have been really, for legal reasons, such as MP3 and AVI support, propritary closed source kept secret file formats
[19:28] <LinuxNovice> I liked Ubuntu. But, my laptop with such limited resources was not running fast enough.
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that was one of the main reasons people went to Mint before, since it gave a more out of the box expereince than Ubuntu and most other distros,  but you could put both onto the same computer like Dynetrekk  was suggesting and try out etc
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes for standard Unity it's not going to work that well I expect, same for GNOME 3
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, however with something more lite waight such as LXDE, XFCE,  or Mate, it should work much better
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Mate is still a favourite of mine, since it's so similar to the old GNOME 2 from what it was forked from
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !mate
[19:29] <LinuxNovice> Ok. Could you please explain in simple terms why Ubuntu is better than Mint?
[19:29] <ivan_man> but mint is so convenient ...
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !better
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !best
[19:30] <LinuxNovice> as I said I am new to Linux
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm their used to be a factoid
[19:30] <nacc> LinuxNovice: that is a matter of opinion, and is not considered ontopic for the support channel
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> their used to be fatoid saying that best is opinion and there is no such thing as a best
[19:30] <nacc> LinuxNovice: perhaps ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:31] <kortyner> nobody for help me please?
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ivan_man, how is it so convient? sure when they still had codecs by default, but they stopped doing that now.  now it's more like what's the point, I can run Cinnamon and Mate in other distros anyway
[19:31] <nacc> kortyner: how did you install steam?
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kortyner, what's your issue ?
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, in certain ways, one distro will be better than another in general, but it will depend on the computer that running it on, but also the opinion of the user what  they like etc
[19:32] <kortyner> if i want to create icon games for exemple tyrrany i say me : this one exist on desktop
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Ubuntu and Mint are generally good distros to start with, and to stay with even, but plenty of other distros that could move on to later on even as well if wanted to later on
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, which is best for the computer, and you as the user, that's your own personal choice  and opinion
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi velus
[19:34] <LinuxNovice> ok
[19:34] <velus> hi SebthreeBQM10HD
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> velus, what you doing in here, do you run Ubuntu :D ?
[19:34] <velus> i read somewhere that there is a major secrity hole in linux mainly in encrypted hard drives
[19:35] <velus> and SebthreeBQM10HD i have ubuntu on my computer and my servers
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, however something to bare in mind is this,  the defeault UBuntu with Unity is likely to not work well on that computer if at all really, and same for GNOME 3
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  the other above mentions ones,  LXDE, XFCE, and Mate, should all work well though :)  plus there are even someo ther ones that are more well interfaces, but can't really recommend those
[19:35] <kortyner> you have a idee? for that
[19:35] <LinuxNovice> Ok. I'll try Ubuntu Mate, then.
[19:36] <velus> SebthreeBQM10HD, you seb from unitycoders
[19:36] <velus> yep you are i think i should run lol
[19:36] <jwash> hi, i've got an iPad 2 os on version 8.0 (12A365) with a ton of pictures on it, taken with the built in camera. Is there a way to bulk transfer the files to a computer like I'd do with my digital camera?
[19:36] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot, guys. For your inputs.
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> velus, oh yeah in a way you owed me some money still didn't you? h eh h eh
[19:37] <velus> no i paid it you back
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nope, but anyway off topic for here
[19:37] <velus> and this is not the place to discuse this
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes Ubuntu Mate is  good one to use
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to try
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, but XFCE and LXDE both   will be good on there to.  by the way, once you got one installed you can install the other two into the same install as well
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, then choose what you want from the log in screen.  so you won't need three seperate Ubuntu installs
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you can even change the log in screen, so much choice here, my personal favourite is LXDM  from LXDE
[19:40] <LinuxNovice> So, you mean after installing the OS, I can choose any of these desktops at the startup?
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes basically
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, well the ones that are supported in the Ubuntu archeives, the repos, wh8ich oddly does not seem to have Cinnamon in there, but  that probably woudn't work so well or as well as those other ones on a old computer anyway
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !repos
[19:41] <LinuxNovice> ok. Suppose, I install Lubuntu. What do I need to do to get XFCE or Mate desktops from the same installation?
[19:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes that's what I mean
[19:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you can start with any
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you can start with Ubuntu itself with Unity on a suppoted computer of course, or any of the offically supported dervatives that we were on about such as Xubuntu  Lubuntu or Ubuntu Mate
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> I'll begin with Lubuntu, the most lightweight.
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then to have another one you just install it froom the repos :)
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and  the you can select it from the log in screen
[19:42] <LinuxNovice> It
[19:43] <LinuxNovice> It is not dual or multiple boot, I suppose.
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok so let's  say you put Lubuntu on with LXDE
[19:43] <LinuxNovice> ok
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  downloaded the ISO,  maybe evn checked the iso
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !md5sum
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> normally they download fine, but yeah
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, then you put the ISO onto the CD R / DVD R / or USB.  boot the computer up for it and install yep, and hopefully works fine etc, right good,  now ready to try another one.  in this example so let's say Xubuntu with XFCE
[19:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, then open the graph8ical install software type program, not sure what that is in lubuntu or just go in the terminal.  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop  put password in and as long as your internet connected as well it will dowdnload and install it for you
[19:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> password being your user account password
[19:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same thing can be done for other ones.  ubuntu-mate I think would be the command for example
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  no need to pm about this, we can chat here?
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> Ok. If I install multiple desktops, is it not going to consume a lot of hard disk space?
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, not that much hard disk space,  but how much did you give ubuntu
[19:48] <LinuxNovice> I have Lubuntu on my laptop.
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, so it's got the whole 40gb of hard disk space ?
[19:49] <LinuxNovice> I gave about 15 GBs to Lubuntu.
[19:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, I normally give a Linux distro install like 16GB or so, and yes I normally do mutli8ple desktops as well
[19:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, so that's fine for that, but
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, but by default /home will be part of it as well, and that's where your data would be and that could run out of space if you got big files   also genrally most linux  programs don't take up that much space,  except for say some of the bigger games and things llike that
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you could resize the partion later anyway
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or start over
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> time to try desktops I guess etc then
[19:50] <LinuxNovice> no. I have a separate partition for home.
[19:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok that's fine and good then :)
[19:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> should be
[19:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, open the terminal
[19:51] <sysmgmt> ioria: okay hang on
[19:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure the gui program for installing stuff in lubuntu so and termianl is better :d
[19:51] <LinuxNovice> ok
[19:52] <LinuxNovice> can we do it by using GUI
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that Lubuntu install was quick by the way ????
[19:52] <sysmgmt> ioria: do you want me to manually bring up please paste int name again? :)
[19:52] <LinuxNovice> i had lubuntu already
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, oh
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, there is a graphical program for installing stuff, but not sure what it is in lubuntu, and no need to be scared of the terminal, for what we are dong :)
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's so basic etc
[19:53] <LinuxNovice> ok
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, open the terminal: put this command in for Xubuntu so with XFCE
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <ioria> sysmgmt,  down enp1s0 and up wlp2s0 : you can use sudo ip link set 'interface' down/up ... but it's just a try maybe it's better to have a read at this : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2304250
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> put in your user account password, sit back and watch it download and intall it for you just like that as long as your intenret connected
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes it will put on quite a few xubuntu pakages a whole desktop envrionment just like that
[19:54] <LinuxNovice> So, how much space can I expect XFCE and Mate desktops to take now?
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, might ask to change the log in screen to something else,  if that one doesn't, another would though such as KDE,  that would be ctrl and tab to select I think
[19:54] <LinuxNovice> Does it not affect other installed applications?
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you'll just have more programs installed once you got other ones installed, and some have proper programs for each desktop envrionment, but most of those will work in the other ones as well
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Lubuntu has like a kind of start menu,  once you put xubuntu stuff in there, quite a bit of that will appear in the lubuntu start menu as well
[19:56] <sysmgmt> ioria: output is root@Lenovo-ideapad-310-15ISK:/home/iran/Downloads# sudo ip link set wlp2s0 up
[19:56] <sysmgmt> Cannot find device "wlp2s0"
[19:56] <LinuxNovice> Ok. It won't affect system performance, then?
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, programs do not get effected by each other, because htey wre from another desktop envrionment,  it all works well together
[19:56] <sysmgmt> ioria: i guess, i need to create configuration file for wlp2s0 interface? simillar to RHEL ifcfg-eth0
[19:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, and  not everything runs at the same time, not all destkop envrionmetns window managers, etc etc run at same time
[19:57] <ioria> sysmgmt,  no, if you run 'ip a', you'll find your interfaces's names
[19:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, for example if you had say KDE installed, which is a more bigger desktop envrionment with lots of it's own programs as well,  but let's say you installed that, into your system with lubuntu or xubuntu on it or both
[19:57] <sysmgmt> ioria: problem is that nothing is listed except the wired interface :(
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, suddenly you got well k games and various kde programs installed as well,  some of those programs are going to be a bit more resource hungery sure, but
[19:58] <bfig> hello, I'm having trouble with permissions - I created a user, added it to a group and chown'd recursively with the group, plus chmod g+rw -r everything in said directory. I cant access the content, I get permission denied, but I can see in ls -al that the group is correctly set, and logging in with the user and looking at groups it shows the new group, so it is properly added. Any ideas of how to
[19:58] <bfig> troubleshoot this?
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, they will generally run well on most computers, in whatever interface they are running in, even when it's not kde, if that makes sense ?
[19:58] <sysmgmt> root@Lenovo-ideapad-310-15ISK:/home/iran/Downloads# ifconfig -a
[19:58] <sysmgmt> enp1s0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:5b:76:54:3a:b1
[19:58] <sysmgmt>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:58] <sysmgmt>           inet6 addr: fe80::a889:e679:fd:f79b/64 Scope:Link
[19:58] <sysmgmt>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[19:58] <sysmgmt>           RX packets:20846 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !kde
[19:59] <ioria> sysmgmt,  you pasted 'ip a'  few minutes ago, and there were both the interfaces
[19:59] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | sysmgmt
[19:59] <LinuxNovice> Ok. Now with Lubuntu installed in my laptop, with 15 gb space allocated to it, can i safely install xfce or mate desktops or both of them?
[19:59] <Southern_Gentlem> LinuxNovice, yes
[19:59] <ioria> sysmgmt,  that is ifconfig, not 'ip a'
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, and in that example, when running one KDE program in another interface, you are not running the whole of KDE, altough there wil be quite a bit of KDE in the background to running that particuarl program or programs
[19:59] <LinuxNovice> that's great.
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes that's the whole point,  you can install  everything basically and try
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, and easilly enough as long as it's in the ubuntu repos
[20:00] <sysmgmt> ioria: weird, did it disappear after the reboot perhaps?
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you think Lubuntu is the most lighte waight?  uhmmm no probably something like  open box or fluxbox wins when it comes to that, but those are window managers,  there are desktop envrionmetn and window managers
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, de's or wm's
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and yes there is a difference
[20:00] <LinuxNovice> ok. I didn't know this. I'll try xfce and mate on Lubuntu, now.
[20:00] <sysmgmt> ioria: i paste ip a in pastebin
[20:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, a desktop envrionment is a interface, but also a load of programs basically, where as a window manager, is just a graphical user interface basically
[20:01] <sysmgmt> ioria: http://pastebin.com/amenesQg
[20:01] <sysmgmt> ioria: output ip a > http://pastebin.com/amenesQg
[20:01] <LinuxNovice> I'm new to Linux. These are pretty new things to me.
[20:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, no one really recommends openssh or fluxbox or those usaully, since they are a bit to well old skool really, but actually  can be useable.  altough openbox  when I have tried is just a black screen, and a right click menu for opening programs, that's how basic it is
[20:02] <bfig> hello, I'm having trouble with permissions - I created a user, added it to a group and chown'd recursively with the group, plus chmod g+rw -r everything in said directory. I cant access the content, I get permission denied, but I can see in ls -al that the group is correctly set, and logging in with the user and looking at groups it shows the new group, so it is properly added. Any ideas of how to
[20:02] <bfig> troubleshoot this?
[20:03] <Bray90820> So i have been installing ubuntu 16.10 over and over again for about the past month and the audio has been fine but now all of the sudden on the live disc it says dummy output
[20:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, then there are tings like  enlightment e17 which looks a bit more flashy with menu effects, but quite laight waight,  and  things like budgie more recently coming over to ubuntu,  http://omgubuntu.co.uk was covering that one recently, so much choice here,  from distros, interfaces, browsers, office suites, graphica programs, music programs, etc etc
[20:03] <sysmgmt> ioria: any ideas? really this is a driver/fw issue. i reboot and paste ip a again 1 min
[20:03] <ioria> sysmgmt,  yes, wifi was present before, what did you do ?....
[20:03] <fn2> bfig, if you are talking about cd then the directories need to be executable (not the files) as well
[20:03] <LinuxNovice> awesome.
[20:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, however generally most distros run pretty much all or mostly the same programs
[20:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  when I started in 2004 I didn't  know why most distors looked very similar, seemed to run same programs etc basically, later found out why though
[20:05] <iran> ioria: Hey! it worked when i issued a reboot just now, output of ip a shows them all
[20:05] <bfig> fn2: ohh great to know! how can I recursively make executable the directories and not the files?
[20:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Unity is tighed to Ubuntu though,  since technical and political reasons, only Ubuntu runs that
[20:05] <iran> ioria: still on cable though, but backports drivers must be in use now i belive
[20:06] <ioria> iran, sudo lshw -c Network  (in a pastebinit)
[20:06] <LinuxNovice> Ok. Let me try this out.
[20:06] <bfig> nevermind, found chmod g+X
[20:06] <bfig> thanks for the help, let's see if it works...
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  yes  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop then
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, once intallled you should be able to just log out to the log in screen, and select the option for xfce/xubuntu
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes no re boot required this is not Windows, only re boots required here usaully when installing something major such as Linux kernel  new version and wanting to use it
[20:07] <iran> ioria: yes ofc > http://pastebin.com/ck9x54hg
[20:08] <fn2> bfig, http://superuser.com/questions/91935/how-to-chmod-all-directories-except-files-recursively
[20:08] <bfig> yeah, was looking at that link, thanks fn2. It worked :)
[20:09] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, thanks a lot for the info.
[20:09] <ioria> iran, it looks ok, if you have issue may depends on your wpa/wep/router stuff
[20:09] <iran> ioria: > http://pastebin.com/aNU5Evq2
[20:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, there will be a session optoin on the log in screens
[20:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, for changing the one to ru
[20:09] <iran> ioria: before i try authenticate, i will tail -f /var/log/syslog and in previous pastebin you see that driver is loaded
[20:10] <iran> ioria: linux-firware 1.157.4
[20:10] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, so much useful info you shared here. Thanks a lot.
[20:10] <ioria> iran, ok...
[20:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ctrl and  tab I think  if your installing one that wants to change log in screen, been a while
[20:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you should try one, then come back to me ;d   installed yet?
[20:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> xubuntu
[20:12] <LinuxNovice> No. I am using another OS now. Not on Lubuntu now. Let me switch to Lubuntu.
[20:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, another OS as in Windows ?
[20:13] <LinuxNovice> Let me switch to Lubuntu. Restarting now.
[20:13] <iran> ioria: no sorry
[20:14] <iran> ioria: i get a bunch of headache errors because of fw. i will paste my syslog and you'll see also i did issue ip link up but still wont connect (tried 3 different routers) :(
[20:15] <Bray90820> So i have been installing ubuntu 16.10 over and over again for about the past month and the audio has been fine but now all of the sudden on the live disc it says dummy output
[20:15] <iran> ioria: http://pastebin.com/wLKyYnr5
[20:16] <iran> ioria: i will add my mac address to airport express ACL now
[20:16] <iran> ioria: and if that will work then success with saven SSID
[20:16] <iran> ioria: one minute
[20:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  hi in  Xubuntu ?
[20:21] <LinuxNovice> hi.. still in Lubuntu.
[20:22] <LinuxNovice> Just restarted the laptop
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  ok intalled xubuntu yet ?
[20:22] <LinuxNovice> I opened the terminal
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, have you used the terminal before /
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[20:23] <LinuxNovice> what is the command for xfce de
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:24] <male32norway> Is this a place I can ask "howto's" ?
[20:24] <LinuxNovice> yes. it's executing the command.
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes and then it should start downloading a load of packages
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will take a few minutes or so
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to install
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe a bit more, since it's a full de
[20:26] <Jordan_U> male32norway: Yes. Any Ubuntu related support question is welcome here :)
[20:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, us.archeive.ubuntu.com or something like that for downloads, depending on your cuntry, which is of interest
[20:26] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, it is downloading...
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, how long it say it going to take?
[20:28] <LinuxNovice> about 14 minutes
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, it's probably like I don't know over 40 things on,  and it will just download, and insall for you just like that,  no uhmmm Windows type program installer,  ok there are a few  programs in the Linux world with that kind of thing, but they are usually propritary closed source programs as well
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yeah about 14 minutes, that sounds about right
[20:29] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok
[20:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, when it booted up the computer first turned on it said lubuntu I guess?  this will probably change it to say xubuntu instead, but again even with  that,  various themes etc, choice
[20:30] <Sonderblade> is plymouth-x11 a package you need anymore?
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, I think so
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, and in which version of ubuntu
[20:31] <Sonderblade> 15.10
[20:31] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok. But, can I choose Lubuntu if I want it?
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, you just happended to be asking since what I put to LinuxNovice  or was that by coindience ?
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, from the log in screen you choose whatever de's or wm's that are installed
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> desktop envrionemtns window manager
[20:31] <Sonderblade> SebthreeBQM10HD: by coincidence, i didn't read your discussion
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, however I just mentioned  the actsual OS boot up theme as well just now,  you know like in WINDOWS where it says like Windows XP is loading
[20:32] <ioria> Sonderblade, 15.10 is dead
[20:32] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, that's great.
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, that's a point you should probably upgrade to 16.04 really, or maybe you got the AMD issue and holding back as a result ?
[20:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, the  OS boot up screen, the very first screen you see graphically, is run by a program called Plymouth, installing differnet de's  may change the theme of that to another one
[20:33] <ioria> !15.10 | Sonderblade
[20:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you can change themes yourself, but I generally just leave that to whatever is up personally, since done it before and bumped into issues sometimes
[20:34] <Sonderblade> ioria: i know it is unsupported, it doesn't mean it is *dead*
[20:34] <ioria> Sonderblade, unsupported mean that, i'am afraid
[20:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, the log in screen is called a dm,  desktop manager
[20:34] <ioria> *s
[20:34] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok.
[20:35] <Sonderblade> ioria: i'm using it which proves it is not dead
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !15.10
[20:35] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD. this conversation with you is really informative.
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, it's end of life though, no longer offically supported
[20:35] <ioria> Sonderblade, ok, go on
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, indeed, I used to do this quite a bit, but not so much now,  only sometimes
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> help here I mean
[20:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or in pms etc
[20:36] <Ben64> Sonderblade: it has huge vulnerabilities, using it now is stupid
[20:36] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, thanks a lot again.
[20:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, an end of life relese will still work as an os, but will have security issues etc
[20:38] <Sonderblade> Ben64: that's a stupid thing to say. thousands of people are using it since not everyone has the time to sit through upgrades every six months
[20:38] <rmac> That's why there are LTS releases
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, you should be on long term support relsae if your one of those,  unless your one of the few who know how to properly maintain them selves a unsupportd version of a Linux distro, which is not that many Linux users by the way
[20:38] <Ben64> Sonderblade: wrong, there might be hundreds of people using it still, it's still very stupid
[20:38] <Ben64> and yeah, LTS
[20:39] <ioria> Sonderblade, you should be notified about that by the Update-Manager ...
[20:39] <jf02jfv> 123
[20:39] <Ben64> you're one upgrade away from 16.04, which is supported until 2021
[20:39] <Sonderblade> Ben64: thinking everyone has time to upgrade every time is stupid
[20:39] <Ben64> then use LTS
[20:39] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, by the way, which one in your personal opinion is better, Mate or XFCE?
[20:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that's a point, is that Lubuntu 16.10 or 16.04 ?
[20:39] <laserbeak4445> Hi
[20:39] <laserbeak4445> I would like to stream the output of my desktop sound card over my LAN to my Android phone. Is IceCast the best solution for that or there is something better or more simple to do the same thing?
[20:40] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, 16.10
[20:40] <Sonderblade> i *WAS* using the lts release, then there was a really horrible problem with chrome which the ubuntu devs didn't want to backport a fix for
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Mate I prefer to XFCE and LXDE,  but thats since Mate is based on the old GNOME 2
[20:40] <Ben64> chrome isn't in the ubuntu repositories
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that was used by most distros such as Ubuntu as the default for like 8 years
[20:41] <blacknred0> Ben64: no, it is not
[20:41] <ioria> Sonderblade, chrome is google product, not ubuntu
[20:41] <Sonderblade> of course i meant "chromium-browser"
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, XFCE dates back before GNOME 2 though,  but I started using  Desktop Linux when there was GNOME 2, and every time I treid XFCE just something about it, not quite for me, same for LXCE, but I would prefer LXCE over XFCE quite a bit
[20:42] <Ben64> Sonderblade: those are two different things
[20:42] <blacknred0> yes, they are
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !gnome2
[20:42] <blacknred0> !notunity
[20:43] <Sonderblade> Ben64: you could not figure out that when i wrote "problem with chrome" i actually meant "problem with the chromium-browser package"? i think that was clear from context
[20:43] <Ben64> Sonderblade: it's not, because there's something called chrome, and there's something called chromium
[20:43] <rmac> laserbeak4445: IceCast2 is pretty simple to get working, but mpd might be more lightweight.  Here's a post on getting it working from 2011 (unsure if this still works, but should get you most of the way there) http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/stream-music-to-your-android-device.html
[20:44] <blacknred0> Sonderblade: you can not make that assumption
[20:44] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, it is diplaying some error. Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[20:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  16.10 is not a long term support release, so only 9 months of support with security and some stability updates possibly, so in about 8 months people running that should upgrade to 17.04 released in mid april
[20:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or end of april
[20:44] <Sonderblade> blacknred0: why not?
[20:44] <ioria> Sonderblade, chrome=closed source ; chromium: open-source ... that's said ... what was the issue you got ?
[20:44] <blacknred0> Sonderblade: they are two different products
[20:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok  pastebin the termianl output
[20:44] <Ben64> Sonderblade: anyway, upgrade to 16.04 or continue running vulnerable software, if y ou choose the latter you don't need to be in this channel
[20:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pastebin
[20:44] <blacknred0> ioria: they are both open-sourced
[20:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, sometimes things don't completly install,  but it's probably installed most things ayway so far, show on pastebin
[20:45] <ioria> blacknred0, ho really ? i missed that
[20:45] <Sonderblade> Ben64: that's not for you to say
[20:45] <blake1> I think I've been hacked, I copied processes from top, if anyone wants to look at them
[20:45] <Ben64> Sonderblade: 15.10 is not supported here at all. if you refuse to run a supported release, there's really no reason to be here
[20:45] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, I didn't get what you are saying.
[20:46] <Sonderblade> blacknred0: it it reasonable for someone to install the "chrome" product on ubuntu linux?
[20:46] <ioria> blacknred0,  let's try to port dmr on chromium
[20:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, copy and paste the terminal output the text
[20:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  and put on pastebin
[20:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pastebin
[20:46] <blacknred0> Sonderblade: yes, i have it myself
[20:46] <blake1> ok
[20:46] <Sonderblade> Ben64: there are many reasons
[20:47] <LinuxNovice> W: chmod 0700 of directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted)
[20:47] <John__> Hello, I bought a new laptop with amd gpu and i'm confused about the current state of amd drivers. Can someone explain what are all these drivers, fglrx, ati, amdgpu, amdgpu-pro? I want the best recommended driver for performance
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, you can have the real Google Chrome  the closedd source proprtiary one from Google, and in a supported Ubuntu release, if you  want to try that instead of Chromium from which it is based on
[20:47] <blake1>  PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND                                                                                (B[m[39;49m[K (B[m 1598 root      20   0<PHONE_NUMBER>24  42292 S  43.8  3.2   3:02.42 Xorg
[20:47] <Ben64> blake1: use paste.ubuntu.com
[20:47] <LinuxNovice> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ W: Problem unlinking the file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin - RemoveCaches (13: Permission denied) W: Problem unlinking the file /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin - RemoveCaches (13: Permission denied) E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the adminis
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, it's probably ok enough, but show me on pastebin,  or enough of it, the error stuff mostly
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok looks quite standard error message. what were the two fix options again ?
[20:48] <Sonderblade> SebthreeBQM10HD: i didnt know what. where do you get it from?
[20:49] <LinuxNovice> Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, I think the Canonical partner repo or something
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !chrome
[20:49] <blake1> ok I did that
[20:49] <blake1> do yoyu want url
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, try either of those
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, I think the first will just go through the repos again the update
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !googlechrome
[20:50] <blake1> here is url http://paste.ubuntu.com/23487274/
[20:50] <open> somethingnew
[20:51] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, no factoid i think
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !partner
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sonderblade, partner repo I think for Google Chrome yes ^^^^
[20:51] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, what is the second one
[20:51] <ioria> Sonderblade, if you want chrome (64 bit only) you download the .deb from google
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, a way to fix  the broken package I think
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, or the package that for whatever reason didn't download properly
[20:52] <blake1> Ben64 http://paste.ubuntu.com/23487274/
[20:52] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, can you type that command here?
[20:52] <Ben64> blake1: looks like you got some problems
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, no just do what it says
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that should do it :)
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, also if you look in the lubuntu start menu,  may see other things there already :)
[20:53] <blake1> that computer is off
[20:53] <blake1> i copied the output
[20:53] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, what do I need to do now?
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, run ecommands it suggeted, check the lubuntu start menu, any new programs there yet?  if not , i guess it didn't make it to the install stage, was still on donwnload
[20:54] <blake1> Ben64 any idea?
[20:55] <LinuxNovice> --fix-missing is this a command?
[20:55] <laserbeak4445> rmac: thx for link! :)
[20:55] <Ben64> blake1: reinstall?
[20:56] <blake1> im on liveusb
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, check the lubuntu start menu first
[20:56] <blake1> im going to save my files though
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, any new programs?
[20:56] <akik> blake1: what is the problem you're having? why do you suspect you were hacked?
[20:57] <XenophonF> shouldn't starting ypbind automatically trigger the startup of rpcbind?
[20:57] <XenophonF> (ubuntu 16.04.1 btw)
[20:57] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, is Xvt new one?
[20:58] <blake1> well my credit card was used last night, had to cancel it and some anonymous text showed up in one of my files
[20:58] <akik> blake1: ok! good reasons!
[20:59] <blake1> does that top look funny?
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, I don't know
[20:59] <Pici> blake1: your top output looks fine.
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, can you select high light enough of the terminal out put, and pastebin it,
[20:59] <blake1> oh
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pasetbin
[20:59] <akik> blake1: not necessarily if you're playing video in firefox
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pastebin
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, if you put too much here at once, the bot etc won't like and people
[21:02] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, can rebooting give a clearer picture?
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,   re booting probably woudn't do much
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's either installed or not
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but you imght have  a broekn package manager
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's the thing
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, copy and paste the error messages, ideally put on pastebin to so you don't get channel problems
[21:03] <RFleming> Greetings and salutations!
[21:06] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, I pasted it there.
[21:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok and now need a link for that
[21:07] <blake1> who knows, it could have been through my phone, im taking it to retail outlet tomorrow
[21:07] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23487324/
[21:08] <blake1> but i probably picked to busy of a chat room
[21:10] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, what do I need to do now?
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, are you root
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as it asks
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, did you sudo
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sudo apt-get
[21:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and put your user account password in
[21:11] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, no. I think.
[21:11] <Epx998> is there a non-gui app to create a ks.cfg for ubuntu14?
[21:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that's important you can't install software unless you sudo
[21:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and become root for that
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, I guess a sudo apt-get update like it suggest wil be fine though
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try that
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sudo apt-get update
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that should re load the repos I think
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, try this: apt-get update
[21:13] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok. that was the problem, I think. It's downloading now.
[21:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what did you do to make it download ?
[21:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !sudo
[21:14] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, I typed sudo apt-get update. Entered the password and hit enter.
[21:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[21:15] <blake1> blake1 out
[21:16] <Jordan_U> blake1: The "(B[m[1m" and similar in your top output appears to be escape sequences that shouldn't be displayed as characters.
[21:16] <blake1> hold on
[21:16] <O1O1O1> how do i run "service openerp-server stop" withouth a password prompt?
[21:16] <O1O1O1> i tried echo 'password' | sudo -S service openerp-server stop
[21:16] <O1O1O1> but doesnt work
[21:17] <Jordan_U> blake1: I don't know why that's happening, but I see no reason to specifically expect that it's due to an intrusion of some kind.
[21:17] <bivo> Accidentally dropped a folder on an NTFS formatted HDD onto the trash in the side pane and it auto deleted, is there a way to get it back?
[21:17] <blake1> Jordan_U could be just formatting?
[21:17] <EriC^^> bivo: try testdisk
[21:17] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install testdisk
[21:17] <glitchd> can anyone tell me ubuntu with the xubuntu desktop installed is faster than a xubuntu install?
[21:18] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, please see this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23487371/
[21:19] <blake1> Jordan_U: I posted earlier, had weird text in my files
[21:19] <Jordan_U> blake1: What was the weird text? In what files?
[21:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  wine hmm
[21:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice,  not sure why it was trying to install tthat or whatever
[21:20] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, is that an error?
[21:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, seems it's ignored not installed problem packages anyway, so should be fine
[21:20] <blake1> Jordan_U: words that I did not write
[21:20] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok. What next?
[21:20] <Jordan_U> O1O1O1: You can't pass passwords to stdin for any reasonably secure program. It's almost never a good idea to do so, as there are multiple ways that your password could leak without you realizing it. What is your end goal? Why do you want to avoid typing your password when restarting openerp-server?
[21:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, has it completed otherwise ?
[21:21] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes. I think.
[21:21] <Jordan_U> blake1: That's not really enough information to draw any reasonable conclusion. What text? What files?
[21:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, check the lubuntu start menu, do you see lots of new programs ?
[21:23] <zCoyz> hello
[21:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:23] <blake1> Jordan_U: someone used my credit card last night, had to cancel it
[21:23] <zCoyz> have they figured out a fix for steam yet?
[21:23] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, Not sure about that. I think, some new programs have been installed.
[21:23] <markeezy> hello?
[21:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, should have ended  on a screen where you could type another command in
[21:24] <glitchd> markeezy, hey
[21:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> markeezy, hi
[21:24] <markeezy> o shit wuddup
[21:24] <glitchd> lol
[21:24] <markeezy> first time in an irc eyy
[21:24] <XenophonF> looks like i am hitting this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/+bug/1558196
[21:25] <glitchd> markeezy, do you need help with something?
[21:25] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, where?
[21:25] <glitchd> can anyone tell me ubuntu with the xubuntu desktop installed is faster than a xubuntu install?
[21:25] <markeezy> hmm, nah i was just curious about irc's so i've been reading up about it. decided to try join one
[21:25] <markeezy> can you recommend any websites to learn more about linux and the power of the command line in general
[21:25] <glitchd> markeezy, well this is a help oriented channel
[21:26] <blake1> at any rate im going to save my partitions for future reference, thanks all, blake1 out
[21:26] <markeezy> yea, i'll leave right now
[21:26] <markeezy> :)
[21:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, the  terminal
[21:26] <glitchd> markeezy, there are other channels such ass ubuntu-offtopic to just chill n talk
[21:26] <markeezy> wicked, cheers mate.
[21:26] <markeezy> how do i leave?
[21:26] <glitchd> markeezy, u dont have to leave
[21:26] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes.
[21:26] <glitchd> markeezy, i was just telling you what this place is for
[21:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok if you can type another command in it's done
[21:27] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, I can type in a new command now.
[21:27] <Jordan_U> glitchd: It wouldn't make any sense for one to be "faster" than the other, since both consist of the same packages. If anything, installing Ubuntu with Unity then installing xubuntu-desktop *might* (but probably doesn't) run some services that wouldn't normally run with just xubuntu-desktop and not ubuntu-desktop installed, which might slow things down.
[21:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, ok should be intalled then
[21:27] <markeezy> yea i understand, i figured as much, but was just trying to join any channel, so just chose #ubuntu.
[21:27] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, so, shall I reboot it, then?
[21:27] <markeezy> 2 questions, 1. what command do i type to leave, 2. how can i basically @ with a handlename, like if i wanted to @glitchd
[21:27] <glitchd> markeezy, try /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, I  put earlier that once installed, you should be able to just log out to the log in screen, find the sesssion changer option tere should be a icon or something, and into xubuntu/xfce.  no re boot required
[21:28] <helloNL> Hey, I have put my BIOS on LEGACY and reconfigured my RAID 0, I installed Windows 10 on it. The problem now is that when I try to install ubuntu next to my Windows 10 installation it tells me that Bootloader install failed, and it tried to do that on /dev/sda th e problem is that this one isn't even on the list when it tells me to choose a different device
[21:28] <helloNL> to install the bootloader on
[21:28] <glitchd> markeezy, nevermind my last response
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, howeever
[21:28] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok
[21:28] <EriC^^> helloNL: you converted the partition table to msdos right
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, however it may have changed the boot up theme for the system as well
[21:28] <zCoyz> hello
[21:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, so re boot find out, and when the log in screen comes up,  log into xubuntu, and chat to me there?  see you in a bit ?
[21:29] <Jordan_U> helloNL: I assume that this is FakeRAID as opposed to hardware RAID?
[21:29] <glitchd> helloNL, you have to change a setting on in the bios to be able to install ubuntu, but when u change that setting it wont let you boot windows.
[21:29] <helloNL> Yes it is FakeRAID configured by pressing ctrl + I
[21:29] <glitchd> helloNL, so to boot inbetween both os's youll have to change that setting each time you want to switch to the other os
[21:29] <zCoyz> anyone know how to fix steam for ubuntu 16.04?
[21:30] <helloNL> Well glitchd I want both OS to work on my RAID as it has a speed of 1.3gb/s which is really nice to load stuff with
[21:30] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD, ok
[21:30] <glitchd> helloNL, so you want ubuntu to work with secure boot then
[21:30] <helloNL> Well Ubuntu should work with secure boot
[21:31] <Jordan_U> helloNL: It does.
[21:31] <helloNL> But the problem I have now is selected where to put the bootloader :/
[21:31] <glitchd> helloNL, i think i had misinformation..
[21:31] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Well first, I generally recommend against using FakeRAID, but if you want RAID in Windows then you may not have a choice. If you want to continue using FakeRAID you'll need to make sure that grub's boot sector gets installed to the array, not to any individual drive. What options are listed for where to install grub's boot sector?
[21:32] <helloNL> sorry can't take screenshot but this is the options I get https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BdCoZ4Z3/irccloudcapture-1154386420.jpg
[21:33] <Jordan_U> helloNL: The first option should work.
[21:33] <helloNL> I can't press OK
[21:34] <glitchd> then you havent selected all the options i think
[21:34] <glitchd> what are the other 2 lower bubbles for?
[21:34] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Please post another picture of what you're seeing.
[21:34] <helloNL> Well the problem is that what ever choice I make the OK button does a click animation but nothing more :S
[21:35] <helloNL> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2tHSlgjJ/irccloudcapture-1687343013.jpg
[21:36] <Mining-> hey all! i have a weird issue... when I go through shares using file manager.. I can edit file after I've been asked for l&p.. but as soon as I mount the share using the fstab... cannot edit files anymore.. only have access in read
[21:36] <Jordan_U> helloNL: For now, continue without a bootloader.
[21:36] <helloNL> OK still does nothing :/
[21:36] <Mining-> dunno if it's my mount line that isn't ok
[21:36] <usr13> helloNL: Choose sda
[21:37] <helloNL> sda is not in the list usr13
[21:37] <usr13> helloNL: What are the options?
[21:37] <usr13> helloNL: Show us another picture.
[21:37] <helloNL> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BdCoZ4Z3/irccloudcapture-1154386420.jpg here a foto of the screen
[21:37] <Jordan_U> usr13: helloNL: sda is not the correct choice in this instance (FakeRAID) (plus helloNL said they already tried that).
[21:38] <helloNL> I just don't get why I cant press ok when I have a option selected. It is also not greyed out
[21:38] <glitchd> maybe the 3rd option?
[21:38] <usr13> helloNL: Oh yea, sda is not used yet.  You said that it was installed but you've yet to partition it or use it?
[21:39] <usr13> helloNL: So I suppose you can use /dev/sdb
[21:39] <helloNL> I just chose the option to install it next to the installed OSes
[21:39] <glitchd> helloNL, and that worked?
[21:39] <Jordan_U> helloNL: usr13: If sdb is part of your array, then don't install to it either.
[21:39] <helloNL> Still can't press the fucking OK button wtf
[21:39] <helloNL> sdb is not part of it Jordan_U
[21:40] <glitchd> helloNL, chill bruh
[21:40] <usr13> helloNL: choose /dev/sdb  (and you'll have to use boot options to select /dev/sdb to boot to.)
[21:40] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Please watch your language.
[21:40] <helloNL> Sorry
[21:40] <helloNL> I am spending already to much time on getting Ubuntu and Windows working next to each other
[21:40] <helloNL> This is the 3rd day :/
[21:41] <usr13> helloNL: What is it again with sda?  I know that you showed us before but, tell us the story about sda
[21:41] <helloNL> I'll show you my RAID configuration screen. Maybe you guys can make sense of it then
[21:42] <usr13> helloNL: Or you can send us a link again.  Ctrl-Alt-F6, login and do:
[21:42] <usr13> sudo fdisk -l |& termbin.com 9999
[21:42] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Did you boot the LiveUSB in "Try Ubuntu before installing" mode?
[21:42] <helloNL> No did install mode Jordan
[21:43] <bivo> EriC^^ I tried it, the only thing it finds is a .trash file, it doesn't list the files that are missing
[21:43] <helloNL> I just cut the power to the systen
[21:43] <EriC^^> bivo: what kind of files are they?
[21:43] <usr13> helloNL: You did what?
[21:43] <helloNL> this is my fakeraid setup https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lVjySFFy/irccloudcapture507309931.jpg
[21:44] <bivo> EriC^^ a 180Gb home folder backup
[21:44] <usr13> helloNL: You need to overwrite the MS Windows boot loader, where ever that is.
[21:45] <EriC^^> bivo: tar.gz?
[21:45] <bivo> EriC^^ no, just dragged and dropped
[21:46] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Boot again and use the "try before installing" option. For future references, I always use this option as it allows you to use a browser and other tools *and* still allows you to run the installer alongside them.
[21:46] <EriC^^> bivo: try ntfsundelete
[21:46] <EriC^^> bivo: also photorec
[21:47] <joegiampaoli> Is ubuntu 64 already multiarch enabled by default?
[21:47] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Once booted, please run "sudo blkid" in a terminal and pastebin the output.
[21:47] <helloNL> Yh good point Jordan_U, I am just a newbie to Linux, I know from git bash how to navigate and stuff and from homestead how to edit files with it, I just dont know anything about tools and stuff
[21:47] <Jordan_U> joegiampaoli: Yes.
[21:47] <joegiampaoli> Jordan_U: Thanks!
[21:47] <Jordan_U> joegiampaoli: You're welcome.
[21:49] <helloNL> Jordan_U: have a second? I need to first redo the partitioning. All those installs have broken my set up
[21:49] <tomaz_b> hi, can anyone help me please
[21:49] <tomaz_b> i have a brand new ubuntu 16.04 setup
[21:49] <glitchd> tomaz_b, and your question?
[21:49] <tomaz_b> but in skype calls, screensharing, VLC video... my "video" is small
[21:49] <tomaz_b> somehow I can't enlarge it
[21:50] <Jordan_U> helloNL: I was hoping to walk you through installing grub with the existing Ubuntu installation as I need to leave soon.
[21:50] <tomaz_b> really annoying is in skype cause I can't screen share as I would like to
[21:50] <william_> I would like to request help
[21:50] <Jordan_U> william_: Just ask your question at any time in this channel. If anyone thinks they can help, they will :)
[21:50] <tomaz_b> first i thought it is skype... but now in VLC the same. video is small, if i choose to fit the windows... only some blue color enlarge... but video stays
[21:50] <workisfu`> hi guys, would you know how to fix this? taskbar or menubar where all the windows can be minimized/maximized with a click, atm only lets me click an icon to open or show a window but if i click it again it doesn't minimize the window
[21:51] <helloNL> Well the problem was that it installed itself on a different drive then I wanted Jordan_U
[21:51] <glitchd> tomaz_b, im not really understanding the question, could you rephrase it?
[21:51] <workisfu`> i'm on 16.04 and this used to be the behavior for 14.04
[21:52] <tomaz_b> ok. In skype everything related to "video" -> video call, screensharing is somehow small. really small. can't make it larger ... as area on screen. Same with VLC when trying to play video...
[21:52] <cschuck> Are you able to use all the Kali tools in Ubuntu?
[21:52] <glitchd> tomaz_b, have you changed anything recently?
[21:53] <tomaz_b> but VLC is not really such a problem, since I can use default player, where everything is ok
[21:53] <tomaz_b> no
[21:53] <Pazooza> I have 16.04 unity. Why does it stop seeing plugged in usb devices after a long while? If I plug an external drive after a fresh boot it automounts just fine. Later on after I've been away it will no longer auto mount anything. I have to reboot again. Is there something I can turn on instead of rebooting?
[21:53] <cschuck> tomaz_b, are there any that crossover?
[21:53] <tomaz_b> ?
[21:54] <tomaz_b> cschuck: what do you mean?
[21:54] <helloNL> http://kopy.io/6HknH Jordan_U
[21:54] <cschuck> @tomaz_b are there any tools that are in Kali that can be run properly in Ubuntu?
[21:54] <helloNL> sdd1 is the usb drive I use to install ubuntu Jordan_U
[21:55] <tomaz_b> cschuck: sorry I don't understand?
[21:55] <tomaz_b> cschuck: did you wrote this for somebody else?
[21:55] <Jordan_U> helloNL: I don't see any Ubuntu partition there. Did you already delete it?
[21:56] <helloNL> Yh I did delete it already as it was all gone wrong
[21:56] <william_> I am following this guide to flash my bios:https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318789&highlight=Flash+Your+Bios but for some reason when I try to copy my new bios files into the folder that the guide says to create; I get an error saying that there is not enough space in the folder
[21:56] <tomaz_b> glitchd: no, i didn't change anything in a while
[21:57] <tomaz_b> is it possible that some apps use different "video drivers"... or something?
[21:57] <tomaz_b> it looks like... skype, vlc have the same problem, but on the other hand... default video player is capable of playing video normally
[21:58] <Jordan_U> william_: That is a very old guide. I would recommend using a newer one unless you have a particualr reason for chosing that one.
[21:58] <tomaz_b> so it looks to me, that it is not let say general problem that i don't have a working video or something..
[21:58] <bivo> EriC^^ Following this guide https://www.maketecheasier.com/recover-deleted-windows-files-with-linux/ I got this error http://pastebin.com/nECtn6jn
[21:58] <william_> where can I find a newer guide
[21:58] <helloNL> this is the partition table now Jordan_U https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DR7uEf4k/irccloudcapture-693544710.jpg
[21:58] <tomaz_b> but more of a problems with specific apps accessing "video resources"
[21:59] <Guest39409> Anyone free to give some advice about a jacked up nfs installation?
[21:59] <Jordan_U> william_: What model is your motherboard?
[22:00] <glitchd> tomaz_b, i think you need to look into changing the resolution in skype
[22:00] <glitchd> tomaz_b, the resolution of the webcamn i mean
[22:00] <william_> Insyde H20 the computer is an acer aspire E1-731
[22:01] <tomaz_b> hmm
[22:01] <tomaz_b> ok
[22:01] <glitchd> tomaz_b, you could also try installing cheese and see how the webcam works in there
[22:01] <william_> I just got the computer about a week ago but its current bios is really old and it gives me an error when I try to do it in Windows
[22:01] <glitchd> tomaz_b, if it works normally in there, then youll know it has to be a setting in skype that is causing this
[22:02] <glitchd> william_, try to do what in windows?
[22:02] <william_> run the flashing tool
[22:02] <glitchd> is the tool detected in the device manager?
[22:02] <helloNL> Jordan_U: can you help based on this? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DR7uEf4k/irccloudcapture-693544710.jpg
[22:03] <william_> but I found out in internet research its because it is upgrading the bios to a UEFI and this can't be done while the HDD is in use
[22:03] <EriC^^> bivo: you need to use the partition e.g. /dev/sdb1/2/3...
[22:03] <glitchd> william_, then boot to a live cd
[22:03] <william_> I tried a Windows 7 live cd and it still refused
[22:04] <EriC^^> bivo: pastebin the output of sudo parted -l
[22:04] <glitchd> william_, btw this is a ubuntu forum, not a windows forum.
[22:04] <psst> hello
[22:04] <william_> I know but I am trying to find a linux guide
[22:04] <glitchd> william_, ok
[22:04] <william_> because windows 10 is really limited
[22:05] <glitchd> tomaz_b, any progress?
[22:05] <Jordan_U> william_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate
[22:06] <tomaz_b> well... i can see a video, i can put it in full screen
[22:06] <tomaz_b> but the quality is really bad, even though it suppose to be HD
[22:06] <glitchd> does the video enlarge in fullsreen?
[22:06] <tomaz_b> yes
[22:07] <glitchd> tomaz_b, and this is after you changed the resolution of the camera?
[22:07] <william_> thanks for the liink, I will look into it! thanks :)
[22:07] <tomaz_b> i don't know where I can change resolution
[22:07] <Pazooza> How do you restart systemd-udevd.service ?
[22:08] <glitchd> tomaz_b, http://askubuntu.com/questions/4947/how-can-i-change-resolution-of-my-video-in-skype
[22:08] <Jordan_U> helloNL: I'm not sure why the installer is listing your array and all of its partitions twice.
[22:08] <helloNL> I dont know either
[22:08] <helloNL> So I just ignore the second ones
[22:09] <helloNL> And I might have just done it right by accident lol
[22:09] <helloNL> I need to guess more sometimes
[22:09] <helloNL> I did it lol
[22:09] <glitchd> helloNL, guessing works, but its always better to be more informed about the subject
[22:09] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Create one partition for '/' and another for swap, and select the first option as the device to install grub to.
[22:09] <helloNL> This was half guessed
[22:10] <glitchd> helloNL, lol right on
[22:10] <helloNL> I put the bootloader on Windows 10 Loader
[22:10] <glitchd> helloNL, sometimes guessing is the only option
[22:10] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Where the first option should be a device in /dev/mapper that does *not* end in a number.
[22:10] <helloNL> Seemed the most appropriate
[22:11] <Jordan_U> helloNL: That is *wrong*.
[22:11] <glitchd> wompwomp..
[22:11] <Jordan_U> helloNL: You've just broken your ability to boot Windows, (and you won't be able to boot Ubuntu currently either).
[22:11] <helloNL> Just booted into Ubuntu
[22:12] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Well, you may be able to boot Ubuntu now that I think of it.
[22:12] <helloNL> GRUB also listed Windows
[22:12] <Jordan_U> helloNL: That will just bring you back to the grub menu if you try it.
[22:12] <helloNL> Seems you are right
[22:12] <helloNL> Fuck
[22:12] <Jordan_U> helloNL: We can fix it.
[22:13] <Jordan_U> helloNL: And again, please watch your language.
[22:13] <helloNL> Yh sorry, I swear a lot :/
[22:13] <bivo> EriC^^ it's a Linux backup, the HDD is in ntfs for portability between OSs.
[22:13] <helloNL> Do I need a Linux install USB or a Windows one Jordan_U?
[22:13] <EriC^^> bivo: ok
[22:13] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Ok. First, boot into your installed Ubuntu system and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc --frontend text".
[22:13] <glitchd> helloNL, i feel your pain lol
[22:13] <Guest39409> Anyone know anything about nfs?
[22:14] <EriC^^> bivo: it doesn't matter really
[22:14] <glitchd> Guest39409, need for speed?
[22:14] <glitchd> Guest39409, jk
[22:14] <Jordan_U> Guest39409: Try asking your actual question. If you don't get an answer here wait about 5 minutes then try again in #ubuntu-server.
[22:15] <helloNL> Jordan_U: I did the command
[22:15] <Guest39409> I have nfs setup and one of my coworkers tried to install a new hdd in our server.  That broke nfs.  Now we get a 'lockd: cannot monitor <hostname> in dmesg
[22:15] <bivo> EriC^^ http://pastebin.com/U8h0i8JF
[22:16] <Guest39409> glitchd, I wish it was a need for speed problem!
[22:16] <workisfun> hi guys, would you know how to fix this? my taskbar or menubar where all the windows can be minimized/maximized with a click, only lets me open or show a window but if i click again the window doesn't minimize
[22:17] <nacc> Guest39409: do you mean you added a drive to the underlying disk that is backing the nfs share?
[22:17] <EriC^^> bivo: ok run the command with /dev/sdb1
[22:17] <nacc> Guest39409: so is it a RAID?
[22:17] <Jordan_U> helloNL: OK, it should ask you a few questions. The first few will be about kernel arguments, just leave them at their default (even if that's empty) and hit enter to continue. When you get to the question about device installation pastebin the question.
[22:17] <Guest39409> nacc, someone physically put in a new hard drive.
[22:17] <Guest39409> nacc, we didn't have RAID or anything.
[22:18] <helloNL> Jordan_U https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nNu2GulN/irccloudcapture149488211.jpg
[22:18] <Guest39409> nacc, another thing they noticed was that before our home directory (the one shared via NFS) was sdb then it changed to sdc.
[22:18] <Jordan_U> helloNL: 1
[22:18] <nacc> Guest39409: so insterted a new drive and booted fresh?
[22:18] <Guest39409> nacc, yup.
[22:18] <nacc> Guest39409: sounds like you may have been relying on drive ordering rather than UUIDs of filesystems
[22:19] <nacc> Guest39409: which leads to issues like you are describing (or can)
[22:19] <Jordan_U> helloNL: And for text, please use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com .
[22:19] <Guest39409> nacc, yeah.. I think you're right. Any idea how to fix it, though?
[22:19] <helloNL> I am using my phone, so it's a lot to copy. So I use the build in functions of IRCCloud
[22:19] <Jordan_U> Guest39409: Please pastebin your /etc/fstab .
[22:20] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Ok, a picture is fine then.
[22:20] <helloNL> option 5 right Jordan_U?  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bjGZ8s7I/irccloudcapture-1918167806.jpg
[22:20] <nacc> Guest39409: so first things first, probably, remove the disk and see if things work :) -- then change your setup (probably /etc/fstab, maybe /etc/exports or whatever) to use non-order-dependent values
[22:21] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Correct (though hitting '5' then enter may just show more options given the [More] at the bottom of the screen).
[22:21] <Guest39409> nacc, http://pastebin.com/eQdzSypz
[22:21] <Guest39409> nacc, we removed the drive and things kind of worked..
[22:22] <Guest39409> nacc, we could access our files and stuff, but anything that needed a lock to work was broken.
[22:22] <helloNL> The other options is 6. /dev/dm6 (155285 MB; isw_gdhgdchdi_RAID0_512GB) and 7. none of the above Jordan_U
[22:22] <Jordan_U> Guest39409: Indeed, the line that someone added "/dev/sdc1   /hdd3   ext4    defaults    0   0" should be changed to use UUID= like the rest of the lines.
[22:23] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Select 5 still.
[22:23] <helloNL> It finished now Jordan_U
[22:23] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Great. Now follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootSectorFix to fix your Windows boot sector.
[22:24] <Guest39409> Jordan_U, and how do I get the UUID?
[22:24] <Jordan_U> Guest39409: sudo blkid
[22:24] <helloNL> Jordan_U: do I need to use the Windows one? as I might have destroyed the Windows boot sector?
[22:24] <Guest39409> Jordan_U, sounds good.  I'll try that and let you know.
[22:24] <Guest39409> Jordan_U, I probably need to do a restart after, huh?
[22:25] <Jordan_U> helloNL: No, use the "Via an Ubuntu disk" option. (You can follow the steps from your installed system, no need to reboot into a LiveUSB).
[22:25] <helloNL> Ok nice thank you
[22:27] <Jordan_U> Guest39409: First test your /etc/fstab by running "sudo umount /hdd3" then "sudo mount -a" and confirm that /hdd3 has your files as you expect it to and that there were no error messages from mount. (An error message from umount is fine if /hdd3 wasn't already mounted).
[22:27] <helloNL> I seem to have a lot of problems with connecting to nl.archive.ubuntu.com security.ubuntu.com just works fine
[22:28] <Guest39409> Jordan_U, okay.  Did that..  No errors, and I could access the files too.
[22:28] <Jordan_U> helloNL: Feel free to switch to whatever mirror works best for you.
[22:29] <Jordan_U> Guest39409: Great. Try rebooting now. The drive should now mount properly no matter what other drives you have (or don't have) installed.
[22:29] <Guest39409> Jordan_U, thanks.  Think this will help nfs?  I could access the files and stuff before, just couldn't do any locks.
[22:30] <helloNL> Jordan_U: switching to a different acces point on the same networks works o.o
[22:30] <helloNL> I am getting more confused by the minute
[22:32] <workisfun> hi guys, i'm running into this issue but for 16.04 http://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/can-i-use-the-unity-launcher-icon-to-minimize-applications-windows
[22:32] <workisfun> my launcher icon doesn't let me minimize windows
[22:34] <malwar3hun73r> ubuntu 16.04 uses systemd as opposed to upstart, but i still see /etc/init/xxx.conf files... isn't that upstart?
[22:35] <helloNL> Jordan_U: Thanks I got it working :D
[22:35] <Jordan_U> malwar3hun73r: Systemd has SysV init backwards compatability, but mostly I think those files are simply not used when booting via systemd as those same services also have systemd service files.
[22:36] <Jordan_U> helloNL: You're welcome :)
[22:36] <helloNL> Now I still wanna do something else but that is for a different day :P
[22:36] <stochastix> what is the best way to turn off compiz?
[22:36] <malwar3hun73r> Jordan_U, ok, makes sense... i saw them in there and copied in my own but it wasn't working. i think your explanation explains what i'm seeing
[22:37] <orfeo> Hello
[22:37] <orfeo> how do I use ssh with a password already fullfiled?
[22:38] <Jordan_U> malwar3hun73r: "systemctl cat SERVICENAME_HERE" will tell you the path to, and contents of, the systemd unit service file for any given service.
[22:38] <malwar3hun73r> Jordan_U, thanks!
[22:38] <tgm4883> orfeo: are you needing to put SSH into a script or something? Generally the way to do that would be with SSH keys
[22:39] <orfeo> tgm4883: no, just for pratice
[22:39] <stochastix> fusion-icon doesnt run for crap, how ap I supposed to stop compiz other than just killing it?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> malwar3hun73r: You're welcome. If you want more information on how to overide all or part of an existing systemd service see: http://askubuntu.com/questions/659267/how-do-i-override-or-configure-systemd-services
[22:40] <stochastix> crap, you guys use that for the whole desktop?
[22:40] <lucz> how do I find out what IP address localhost resolves to?
[22:40] <tgm4883> orfeo: well the way to do ssh without a password would be to use SSH keys
[22:41] <helloNL> Would it be hard to add a /home partition on a different drive after installation?
[22:41] <Jordan_U> stochastix: Well you need to start another window manager to replace compiz with, so I would say run whichever window manager you want instead with the --replace option.
[22:42] <orfeo> tgm4883: no way to ssh root@myserver -p password... ?
[22:42] <tgm4883> orfeo: no, and it would be bad practice anyway
[22:42] <tgm4883> orfeo: I suppose you could script something with expect, but SSH keys are far easier
[22:42] <Jordan_U> stochastix: All of unity (7) is built on top of compiz, yes.
[22:43] <stochastix> going to try enabling 3d in vbox first
[22:43] <Bray90820> So i have been installing ubuntu 16.10 over and over again for about the past month and the audio has been fine but now all of the sudden on the live disc it says dummy output
[22:43] <stochastix> it kept spiking my cpu bad at times
[22:43] <Jordan_U> stochastix: For a VM you might be happier with Xubuntu.
[22:44] <orfeo> tgm4883: alright, gonna check it out, thank you!
[22:49] <helloNL> Is there also a setting in the BIOS that removes the RAID configuration screen where you need to press CTRL+I, I don't want to see it on every boot
[22:52] <Kilo> hello people
[22:59] <stochastix> Any  ideas on good project managment software that can do the agile method, but is not exclusively set to software programming? So, for infrastructure work etc?
[23:00] <stochastix> Im trying openproject right now, its installing.
[23:01] <gebbione> anyone has any idea on what to do for this error (gnome-software:3175): Gs-WARNING **: failed to call gs_plugin_refine on appstream: Error opening file: Permission denied
[23:01] <gebbione> on 16.04
[23:03] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Whatever you are opening requires admin authority. Best be sure of what you are doing at this point . Maybe open with ' sudo -H <package> <target> " where the -H is directed to a GUI application usage .
[23:03] <samplezt> its "legal" the .torrent files host in nzl??
[23:04] <nacc> samplezt: that doesn't seem like an ubuntu support question.
[23:05] <gebbione> i saw Bashing-om this is in my syslog .. i have no idea of where it is from but i assume it was to do with gnome-software-gapplicatioin-service as at one point this was hitting 8gb memory in my RSS
[23:07] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Sorry, will take one better qualified tha I to troubleshoot that issue .
[23:07] <Bashing-om> than*
[23:13] <rexwin_> Linux ai_linux1 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #9 SMP Thu Oct 20 14:53:52 CEST 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:13] <rexwin_> uname -a gives the above output and cat /etc/issue doesnot spit anything. how to check my ubuntu machine version?
[23:14] <tgm4883> rexwin_: 'lsb_release -a'
[23:14] <nacc> rexwin_: lsb_release -a, but that is not Ubuntu
[23:14] <nacc> rexwin_: well, not an Ubuntu kernel, i mean
[23:14] <genii> 3.14 is pretty old
[23:16] <Tahr-user> Hola
[23:16] <Tahr-user> hello from Central América
[23:17] <cuddylier> I have a HDD that's failing and is read only. Would it be safe for me to clone that drive to a new one that has no issues? Would cloning the current drive bring across any problems?
[23:18] <bubbely> So. I follow these instructions. https://github.com/lopaka/instructions/blob/master/ubuntu-16.04-install-asus-x205ta.md and I don't have my x205 booting into grub? it just goes straight back to windows. help
[23:18] <Tahr-user> I think is better just copy your files, clonning is slow sometimes
[23:19] <Tahr-user> and then, try to delet all partitions and format again
[23:19] <Bray90820> So i have been installing ubuntu 16.10 over and over again for about the past month and the audio has been fine but now all of the sudden on the live disc it says dummy output
[23:20] <lordcirth> cuddylier, if the filesystem passes fsck, before and after, then it's *probably* ok to clone.  However, a reinstall & copy files would be safer
[23:20] <cuddylier> lordcirth: Yeah, just not easy to copy files since it has a LVG/LVM etc
[23:20] <cuddylier> So was hoping to find a way to just clone it
[23:21] <bubbely> neone?
[23:23] <Transferr3> hey
[23:23] <Tahr-user> I had succesful cloned usb using puddcoppy from a portable puppy linux
[23:24] <Tahr-user> it is also possible use hard disks but i have not yet used.
[23:24] <OerHeks> bubbely, uh oh, 32 bit uefi?
[23:24] <bubbely> no im doing the 64bit iso
[23:25] <bubbely> ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64
[23:25] <OerHeks> bubbely, yes, but this manual says you have 32 bit uefi, so this needs a hack as described
[23:25] <Tahr-user> bye
[23:25] <bubbely> OerHeks: hm, how can i hack it?
[23:26] <Transferr3> guys, im new in ubuntu i just took a virtual machine from microsoft azure and trying to learn do u have any advice ?
[23:26] <OerHeks> bubbely, step 1. do you have a Separate system already running Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[23:26] <lordcirth> Transferr3, trying to learn linux & command line?
[23:26] <bubbely> OerHeks: No.
[23:27] <OerHeks> bubbely, then no go
[23:27] <bubbely> =/
[23:27] <bubbely> i can get one going
[23:27] <Transferr3> lordcirth, yes :)
[23:27] <OerHeks> sue your vendor to give a 64 bit uefi if your cpu is capable
[23:27] <lordcirth> Transferr3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal may be useful
[23:28] <Bray90820> bubbely: Put the bootia32 in the /EFI/Boot folder on the USB and you should be good to go
[23:28] <Bray90820> https://github.com/hirotakaster/baytail-bootia32.efi
[23:29] <rexwin_> I am getting -su: /root/bin/rm: No such file or directory
[23:29] <rexwin_> what is the issue?
[23:29] <Transferr3> lordcirth, thank you so much, right now im trying to use this ubuntu vm for my restful web service's database
[23:29] <Transferr3> lordcirth, do u know how to do it ?
[23:29] <lordcirth> Transferr3, set up a sql database?
[23:29] <Transferr3> yeap kinda
[23:30] <lordcirth> Transferr3, find out what database the service recommends.  Go to their website and read the docs
[23:31] <Transferr3> lordcirth, is every information in their website ?
[23:31] <lordcirth> Transferr3, databases tend to have decent documentation
[23:33] <nacc> rexwin_: you have a rm wrapper in root's home directory's bin/ (which apparently is in PATH) and that is maybe buggy
[23:34] <Transferr3> lordcirth, thx dude
[23:34] <lordcirth> np
[23:34] <bubbely> thx Bray90820, worked
[23:34] <Bray90820> No problem
[23:34] <bubbely> z
[23:35] <glitchd> ok so im running 2 ubuntu machines, but im using 1 mouse/keyboard. i use synergy to allow me to do this. however i need to start synergy on the second computer before i actually login otherwise i have to plug a keyboard/mouse into the second machine to lauch synergy. anyway to start it at the login screen automatically?
[23:35] <moonman> Hey y'all, its moonman and we gonna kill some niggers today!
[23:35] <moonman> Killing niggers
[23:36] <yoshimitsu> will the wacom intuos draw work well on ubuntu 16.04?
[23:36] <yoshimitsu> i'm thinking of purchasing one
[23:36] <vimCoder> Does anyone know how to pass an object into a function, then to have the function run a subfunction of the object, in C++, the C++ channel is full
[23:36] <lordcirth> glitchd, systemd --user perhaps?
[23:36] <ikonia> vimCoder: try the c++ channel
[23:36] <lordcirth> glitchd, does synergy run as root or user?
[23:36] <vimCoder> it wont let me join
[23:37] <ikonia> vimCoder: you need to register
[23:37] <ikonia> vimCoder: check the freenode website for how
[23:37] <lordcirth> vimCoder, full?  IRC channels don't get full
[23:37] <glitchd> lordcirth, i dont believe so, i dont have to launch it with sude
[23:37] <lordcirth> !register | vimCoder
[23:37] <glitchd> sudo*
[23:38] <lordcirth> glitchd, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Automatic_start-up_of_systemd_user_instances
[23:38] <lordcirth> glitchd, if you enable linger, then set synergy to run as a user service, it should be started as your user on boot
[23:39] <vimCoder> ok, thanks
[23:39] <glitchd> lordcirth, as that wiki is for arch, im wondering if linger is included in ubuntu/xubuntu
[23:40] <lordcirth> glitchd, it's systemd.
[23:40] <glitchd> lordcirth, alrighty then, ill have a read of it then
[23:40] <glitchd> lordcirth, thank you for the info
[23:40] <lordcirth> glitchd, no problem. good luck
[23:41] <glitchd> lordcirth, thx
[23:46] <Bray90820> bubbely: random question but do you have audio on whatever device you are installing ubuntu on?
[23:47] <jameskmonger> Hi guys, hoping someone can help me. I've just reformatted my USB to NTFS and I'm struggling to get it mounted.
[23:47] <John__> hello my laptop has hybrid graphics, amd/intel and now uses intel, how to change it into amd
[23:48] <lordcirth> jameskmonger, are you trying to mount it using the automatic systems that come with the desktop, or manually?
[23:48] <jameskmonger> @lordcirth I've tried both and both fail with the same message
[23:48] <lordcirth> jameskmonger, which is?
[23:48] <jameskmonger> I get "mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /mnt"
[23:49] <jameskmonger> however "sudo umount /dev/sdb1" gives me "umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted"
[23:49] <lordcirth> jameskmonger, interesting.  Look at 'sudo lsblk -f'
[23:49] <jameskmonger> sdb1 is listed as ntfs but no mountpoint
[23:51] <Bashing-om> jameskmonger: What does ' ls -al /mnt ' reveal ? and then can you try and manually UN-mount the device that is mounted @ /mnt ?
[23:52] <jameskmonger> @Bashing-om it gives these results https://thepasteb.in/p/O7h5DylvzY5uq
[23:52] <jameskmonger> Do I do "sudo umount Nexus5" to unmount?
[23:52] <abraham> how do you add dvd into repositories list in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[23:53] <abraham> i was reading this, but it looks way beyond my understanding
[23:53] <abraham> http://www.hiroom2.com/2016/08/12/ubuntu-16-04-install-package-from-dvd/
[23:53] <lordcirth> abraham, apt-cdrom
[23:54] <abraham> lordcirth, where do i put that? in terminal?
[23:54] <Bashing-om> jameskmonger: Try as ; sudo umount /mnt/Nexus5 ' .
[23:54] <abraham> i'm not a expert user, just a basic home user, don't know many things
[23:54] <lordcirth> abraham, the link you posted looks just fine.  The first 2 commands there should work.
[23:55] <lordcirth> abraham, although your disk might be called /dev/sr0
[23:55] <jameskmonger> umount: /mnt/Nexus5: not mounted
[23:57] <abraham> i'm testing it on virtualbox, i created a APTonCD iso, and mounted it in vbox, now it appears as /media/robert/APTonCD/ in my file browser in vbox. can you relate those command to my situation so i can understand?
[23:57] <abraham> lordcirth,
[23:57] <lordcirth> abraham, try: sudo apt-cdrom -m -d /media/robert/APTonCD/ add
[23:58] <jameskmonger> @Bashing-om the response to "sudo umount /mnt/Nexus5" was "umount: /mnt/Nexus5 not mounted"
[23:59] <abraham> lordcirth, i think it went good, let me test :)
[23:59] <Bashing-om> jameskmonger: Weel, then - how about Try as ' sudo umount /mnt/usb1 ' ?
[23:59] <lordcirth> jameskmonger, have you unplugged and replugged this usb after reformatting?
[23:59] <lordcirth> Was it maybe mounted when you reformatted it?


[01:47] <shaunm> godbyk: yelp-check validate *.page
[01:47] <shaunm> re: a script to validate mallard pages
[01:47] <shaunm> also works on docbook files
[02:53] <crhrabal> was the meeting tonight? I got confused by all the time zone confusion
[03:24] <godbyk> shaunm: Ah, thanks!
[03:24] <godbyk> crhrabal: Yeah, the meeting was a few hours ago.
[03:24] <godbyk> crhrabal: You can read the logs and minutes here: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-10-22.00.html
[03:25] <crhrabal> thanks ill check it out!
[05:03] <littlegirl> Hey there, Is anybody who knows how to work with attachments in the wiki at their keyboard?