[02:44] <warrengee> I'm trying to figure out how to use 'make localmodconfig' with the debian/rules-style compilation. Looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile, I'm not finding it. Any pointers?
[10:03] <jcastro> apw, hi! Did those ppc64le kernels that you wanted me to try build?
[10:38] <ara> henrix, hello!
[10:39] <henrix> ara: hi
[10:41] <ara> henrix, do you know if the 12.04.5 release is going to be delayed?
[10:42] <ara> henrix, it looks like this kernel was going to be the default one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/+bug/1350553
[10:42] <ara> henrix, but it is still waiting to be copied to -proposed
[10:42] <ara> and the release was schedule to this Friday
[10:42] <ara> am I missing anything?
[10:42] <henrix> ara: afaik 12.04.5 is still scheduled to next Thursday
[10:42] <henrix> ara: but let me have a look...
[10:43] <ara> henrix, it says Aug 7 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[10:44] <henrix> ara: ah, i believe that is *not* the kernel that is going to be used for the release.
[10:44] <henrix> ara: bjf will have to confirm this, but that kernel is already prepared for the next cycle, and will be copied into -proposed only *after* 12.04.5 is released
[10:45] <ara> henrix, ah, ok
[10:56] <weeb1e_> With software CPU control enabled in the Dell PowerEdge bios, all governers (performance or userspace + frequency) have no effect on scaling
[10:56] <weeb1e_> No matter what I do, I cannot stop the CPU on this box from scaling with Ubuntu 14.04
[11:43] <weeb1e_> I found one solution so far, but it only works for the second CPU socket
[11:43] <weeb1e_> Does anyone know how I can have "/dev/cpu_dma_latency" apply to both CPUs?
[13:33] <fish_> hi
[13:34] <fish_> I think I even asked that before already, but how do I figure out which netcfg version is used in my initrd? netcfg has no --version flag or something and initramfs-tools includes it somehow but I have no clue how and where to check for the version
[13:34] <fish_> I depend on the BOOTIF feature which was introduced in debian's netcfg 1.63
[13:40] <fish_> would be great to know which part of initramfs is actually pulling down the udeb's. greping for netcfg in the initramfs-tools script doesn't show anything
[14:08] <hallyn> apw: bug 1342000 , it seems some powerpc virtio driver may have been dropped from 14.04 to 14.10 kernel?
[14:52] <fish_> ok, so BOOTIF seems to be supported, but I get "Couldn't find valid BOOTIF= entry in /proc/cmdline" although I set BOOTIF=
[14:52] <fish_> and it shows up in /proc/cmdline. I tried the mac with dashes and colons, same result
[15:22] <fish_> that's a bummer, I can't get it so parse my mac..
[15:35] <fish_> it looks like a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1350302
[17:07] <hujjj> On Ubuntu 12.04.5 there is the package linux-image-3.2.0-67-generic (http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-image-3.2.0-67-generic) and the corresponding source package linux-source-3.2.0 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-source-3.2.0), But where is the source package for linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic (http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic)?
[17:18] <hujjj> There is linux-source-3.13.0 for 14.04 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/linux-source-3.13.0). But why not for 12.04 when there is linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic for 12.04?
[17:25] <hujjj> No one here to answer my simple question?
[17:29] <hujjj> The page http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic mentions  linux-lts-trusty-source-3.13.0 with "Package not available".
[17:30] <henrix> hujjj: all the kernels source code is stored in git repositories at kernel.ubuntu.com
[17:30] <henrix> hujjj: for ex, the trusty kernels (based on 3.13) are here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git;a=summary
[17:32] <hujjj> But I am on 12.04.5. And there is linux-image-3.2.0-67-generic and linux-source-3.2.0. And there is linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic BUT NO corresponding linux-source package like for 3.2.0.
[17:33] <henrix> hujjj: in that case, you want to clone the ubuntu-precise repository and checkout the lts-backport-trusty branch
[17:33] <henrix> hujjj: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/lts-backport-trusty
[17:39] <hujjj> henrix: I am doing an "git clone -b lts-backport-trusty --single-branch git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git" now.
[17:39] <henrix> hujjj: yeah, something like that will allow you to have the source
[17:41] <hujjj> Is there a reason why  linux-lts-trusty-source-3.13.0 is not available as a package for 12.04.5 even linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic exists for 12.04.5?
[17:41] <henrix> hujjj: hmm... maybe because 12.04.5 hasn't been released yet?  but not sure if that's why
[17:41] <henrix> hujjj: release should happen next Thursday iirc
[17:42] <henrix> *this* Thursday actually


[17:04] <ScottL> stochastic:  you had offered to work on the seeds, if you would still like to do that i would appreciate it as i'm still behind on other stuff
[17:05] <ScottL> i think shnatsel had offered to help as well on the seeds
[17:05] <ScottL> lastly, i had expected some advice and information which has not come through at this time
[17:06] <shnatsel> ScottL: I wrote a doc with introduction, it's pretty complete
[17:06] <shnatsel> ScottL: I'm trying to figure out some pretty advanced parts right now
[17:07] <shnatsel> ScottL: I'm trying to transition elementary's plain old metapackages to seeds
[17:07] <ScottL> stochastic, https://mail.google.com/mail/?tab=Xm#inbox
[17:07] <ScottL> sorry, wrong link
[17:07] <ScottL> try this:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPPF14h1Sw2gQjGTuZjUIlNHnGrafS8ekhFjJM9MT00/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1
[17:08] <shnatsel> oh yeah, my doc
[17:08] <ScottL> heh, but i think stochastic knows about seeds anyways, but i like to push information out there anyways :)
[17:09] <ScottL> but if we get things set, even if it's just simple stuff for now, then we are better off
[17:09] <ScottL> and if information comes for the graphics stuff in to me later, then we can always update the seeds with it
[18:59] <shnatsel> cjwatson has rescued me from my ignorance, as usual
[18:59] <shnatsel> so now I can add info about adding custom seeds and/or metapackages to the doc
[19:36] <len> Just an idea. Don't know if anyone has been following my conversation with David Henningsson. But it is becoming obvious to me that documentation would be a big help.
[19:37] <len> Even if it is not complete, something that gives as many ways around hardware quirks as possible would be nice.
[19:40] <len> I would think the best place to put this would be as part of the "about UbnutuStudio" button in the main menu.
[19:42] <len> Format should be very basic html so it self formats to whatever size window the browser happens to open with.
[19:43] <len> It would be fine to have a menu page where some of the options point to places on the web that already deal with certain things.
[19:45] <shnatsel> len: last time I checked Ubuntu Wiki described such things in detail
[19:45] <len> Ok, do we have anything that points there?
[19:46] <shnatsel> ubuntu didn't have anything pointing to help besides a firefox bookmark last time I checked
[19:46] <shnatsel> oh, and yelp
[19:46] <shnatsel> but it's useless
[19:47] <shnatsel> "about" is not a good place to place it - at least it would be the last thing I'd look if I had hardware issues
[19:47] <len> Yeah, that was what I found. How much of what they have relates to getting best quality?
[19:47] <len> On the main menu somewhere would be nice though
[19:48] <shnatsel> No idea. I could find info on setting higher sampling rate only in Arch wiki (pulseaudio) and in official ALSA docs (and those docs were not easy to find).
[19:49] <len> Those are the places I ended up at to find I had to pull one side of the capture down to get the internal mic to work.
[19:50] <len> It is also where  I found out about testing for system sample rate.
[19:51] <len> It is like there needs to be something about getting the best out of the standard internal audio setup.
[19:52] <len> Setting rate, setting levels etc. There is already something getting set up for setting kernel things and jack things up from what I have heard.
[19:56] <len> Being complete is not an issue (from where I stand) because it is impossible anyway no matter how much time is available. But some basic setup things would help. I get the idea that windows programs grab the sound card and set things up for the user... in the ubuntu world that would be pulse. The idea of jack is to allow a user preferred setup.
[19:58] <len> Anyway, I will try to come up with a basic set of HTML documents with whatever quirks I know about, either as text or pointers to pages that do a good job.
[19:58] <len> Probably a FAQ style of thing for now.
[20:00] <len> If there are any better ideas... I can work with them, but I am not CSS literate... just know basic html. I use bluefish for editing.
[20:01] <shnatsel> len: use google docs
[20:01] <shnatsel> len: you can always export that to HTML and gdocs are great for collaboration
[20:03] <len> Is that web based then? or something that I download?
[20:03] <shnatsel> web based
[20:10] <len> Ok, I will look it up. are there any ubuntustudio projects on there already? That I should work off of, or should I start something new?
[20:15] <shnatsel> none I know of
[20:16] <shnatsel> but I'm not the most informed person in here
[20:23] <len> I'll start something new, it can always be merged with whatever.
[20:32] <ScottL> shnatsel, stochastic:  i'm also wondering if we really need to make each items that might be selected with the ubiquity patch as it's own seed?
[20:33] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes
[20:33] <ScottL> oh :/
[20:33] <shnatsel> ScottL: and as its own metapackage, too
[20:33] <shnatsel> ScottL: it's not hard
[20:34] <ScottL> i know it's not hard, but i'm thinking about what will involved when we get information from graphic designers/artists and need to change/update
[20:34] <ScottL> it would have been nicer to have a generic pacakge name "ubuntustudio-graphics" which had severl binaries named in it
[20:34] <ScottL> each of these binaries depended on what ever we needed
[20:34] <ScottL> and if they could be selected during installation
[20:34] <ScottL> then we wouldn't need to udpate seeds and meta's just to update or change
[20:35] <ScottL> errr
[20:35] <ScottL> generic SEED name "ubuntustudio-graphics"
[20:35] <ScottL> that included a package named "ubuntustudio-graphics" which yadda, yadda, yadda...
[20:36] <ScottL> but it is what it is
[20:37] <ScottL> shnatsel, i'm going to read through pretty in depth later tonight
[20:38] <shnatsel> ScottL: seeds are better than packages like that, really
[20:38] <ScottL> why so?
[20:38] <shnatsel> ScottL: and they generate the same packages if you wish
[20:39] <shnatsel> ScottL: splitting package set into seeds is very similar to splitting program's main() into functions
[20:40] <shnatsel> ScottL: you can combine them, define inheritance, generate metapackages with atomatically generated detailed changelogs, you can look at the whole package set at once with all dependencies included, you can find out why a particular package is included, etc
[21:16] <ScottL> micahg, when you get back can you help me understand the "conflicts, provides, replaces" stuff for the -default-settings
[21:16] <ScottL> my main concern is that we have several packages that will be moving into the -default-settings package
[21:17] <ScottL> and i'm unsure how or if i can have the -default-settings package do "provides, conflicts, replaces" for multiple packages
[21:17] <ScottL> and if i will need to make a dummy or transitional package for these as well
[21:18] <ScottL>
[21:18] <ScottL> and i should note that i did read the page you link previously several times and thought about it for several days and i am still unsure how this will work correctly


[12:18] <heno> happy kernel bug day!
[12:19] <heno> I'm going through some NEW bugs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070912
[01:01] <BenC> heno: hey
[01:02] <BenC> heno: I'll be joining you soon, just getting up
[01:14] <heno> good morning BenC
[01:15] <pj_og> Hi! I installed the ubuntu-server, but the base system doesn't boot. I have no idea why. I can boot memtest86+, but trying one of the kernels results only in a "reset". What now? The installation itself went absolutely smooth no error or so. But then rebooting into the base system doesn't work. I was told on #ubuntu-installer to ask the question here since the generic and server kernels...
[01:15] <pj_og> ...might be different. what now?
[01:19] <pj_og> It's on a HP Vectra with 64 MB RAM.
[01:20] <pj_og> Why would the generic (installer) kernel run on it but the server kernel not?
[01:29] <Nafallo> pj_og: what cpu-family is that? AFAIK the server is aimed at i686.
[01:31] <pj_og> i think it's a pentium 2 or so
[01:32] <pj_og> so that might be the reason, right?
[01:32] <Nafallo> not sure. P2 might be i586, not sure.
[01:32] <Nafallo> BenC: wake up and tell us? :-)
[01:33] <pj_og> could I try an install with the normal ubuntu install-CD and use the generic kernel?
[01:33] <pj_og> would that be reasonable?
[03:23] <zul> BenC: id appreciate it if we got the xen amd64 fix before the next upload or even better cherrypick from me tree ;)
[03:23] <BenC> zul: yeah, I'll pull it in
[03:23] <BenC> zul: you did a build/boot test, right?
[03:23] <zul> yep
[03:24] <zul> not the amd64 stuff though since I dont have one but it should work
[03:33] <Mithrandir> zul: you can test in qemu, at least.
[03:34] <zul> i could
[03:46] <BenC> zul: well it needs a build test at least
[03:46] <BenC> as Mithrandir will tell you, the buildd's are not a testing infrastructure :)
[03:47] <zul> BenC: i can do another build test tonight probably
[03:47] <zul> actually i can probably do one right now
[03:48] <zul> ill let you know the results of the build test in a couple of hours
[03:52] <BenC> zul: also, can you triage bug #135041
[03:52] <zul> is that the xen-create-image one?
[03:52] <BenC> yeah
[03:52] <zul> sure no problems
[03:53] <BenC> zul: thanks
[03:56] <abogani> BenC: Hi Ben.
[03:56] <abogani> BenC: Are there particular reason why fglrx and nvidia are not enabled in l-r-m for rt ?
[03:56] <BenC> abogani: only because I haven't added the fix yet...they will be
[03:57] <BenC> it's the GPL_ONLY symbols getting used, is the reason
[03:57] <abogani> BenC: Which symbols ?
[03:58] <BenC> don't recall which ones
[03:59] <abogani> The not-yet-applied fix contain a workaround for rcu* GPL_ONLY symbols. Are there other ?
[04:01] <abogani> Today i compiled l-r-m and insmod-ed the nvidia-legacy driver without any gpl-symbol related warnings.
[05:19] <osmosis> if I copied  /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-server/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83793.ko   into my  /lib/modules/2.6.19  directory...do you think it would work ?
[05:20] <maks_> no
[06:02] <zul> *grumble* *grumble*
[07:19] <bullgard4> What kind of files are stored in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.20/Documentation/hwmon/ ? What is meant by 'hwmon'? No doubt that this is an abbreviatiation for hardware monitor.
[07:38] <zul> BenC: ping
[07:39] <zul> linux-image-2.6.22-11-xen_2.6.22-11.33_amd64.deb linux-headers-2.6.22-11-xen_2.6.22-11.33_amd64.deb
[07:50] <BenC> zul: sweet
[07:50] <zul> im just about to push a couple of fixes to my tree and ill request another sync
[07:51] <zul> er pull
[07:52] <bdmurray> zul: I'm curious about the hid simple driver and bug 84965.
[07:52] <zul> bdmurray: the keyboard one? yeah its requires an api that hasnt made it upstream yet
[07:53] <zul> and it looks like it hasnt been accepted by the usb people yet either
[07:54] <zul> bdmurray: i talked to BenC about it a couple of weeks ago and it was rejected
[07:55] <bdmurray> That is patch that other distros carry though?
[07:55] <zul> im not sure
[07:55] <zul> users have probably patched their own kernel
[07:56] <bdmurray> There was a comment about "I've resorted to using other distros for a few months now."
[07:56] <bdmurray> Maybe its gentoo. ;)
[07:56] <zul> bdmurray: probaly ;)
[07:56] <zul> bdmurray: its probably not fedora because they dont carry the patch either


[17:24] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, hey hey Ill see you tomorrow
[17:24] <SergioMeneses> ?
[17:24] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, probably sure.
[17:24] <philipballew> Im always down to play anything by ear
[17:25] <SergioMeneses> :O
[17:25] <philipballew> ?
[17:25] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, what time is it there?
[17:26] <philipballew> 925
[17:26] <SergioMeneses> can we start to work at 9:00 tomorrow?
[17:31] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, 9 my time
[17:31] <philipballew> probably will be asleep on Saturday till say 12
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, jejeje
[17:33] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, yeah, It's just how it is.
[17:33] <philipballew> Do you have a way to text me?
[17:33] <philipballew> like say a twitter dm?
[17:33] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, yes
[17:34] <SergioMeneses> Ill send you a message by twitter
[17:34] <philipballew> that way it goes to my cell, and when I am out and about, I can text you back
[17:34] <philipballew> saying whats up.
[17:34] <philipballew> Friday night is hard to say whats gonna happen
[17:34] <philipballew> might be open
[17:34] <philipballew> might not
[17:35] <philipballew> Saturday afternoon might be
[17:35] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, jejeje yes! for me too
[17:35] <SergioMeneses> sure
[17:35] <SergioMeneses> you have two hours more than me
[17:35] <SergioMeneses> but it is not a big deal
[17:36] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, I stay up late
[17:36] <philipballew> was up till 3:30 today
[17:39] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, I have to go! lunchtime see you later
[17:40] <philipballew> ight peace


[11:53] <Sonny80> hello
[11:54] <Sonny80> i have problem with ubuntu an beagleboard c4
[11:55] <Sonny80> after executing minimal-xfce.sh i cannot switch from console to x session. Ctrl+Alt+F1 and Ctrl+Alt_F7 - the system starts from login screen and previous X session is lost
[11:57] <ogra> what the heck is minimal-xfce.sh ?
[11:57] <Sonny80> oh.. its script from /boot/uboot
[11:58] <Sonny80> that installs xfce4 on minimal ubuntu
[11:58] <ogra> surely not on any ubuntu images
[11:58] <Sonny80> that is on rcn-ee image
[11:58] <ogra> not sure what you got there, but that rather sounds like something hommemade and you should contact the author
[11:59] <Sonny80> as i understant the author is rccn-ee?
[11:59] <Sonny80> rcn-ee
[11:59] <ogra> so contact him or wait until he is around here
[12:01] <ogra> oh
[12:01]  * ogra notices the topic is outdated
[14:31] <rcn-ee> Sonny80, the minima-xfce script just installs 'xfce4 gdm xubuntu-gdm-theme xubuntu-artwork xserver-xorg-video-omap3' so what's it not doing?