[04:48] <kestas> LinuxJones: why not just tell people to read the FAQ if theyre asking an FAQ? why rush to tell them the answer like youre going to get a prize
[04:48] <andres_fr> hi
[04:48] <dabaSlon> well, that is the easiest thing ever to install, novaflare , are you sertious, that you cant install it?
[04:48] <kestas> andres_fr: you have to change your pass for FR500, you posted it on the chan
[04:48] <dabaSlon> hi, andres_fr
[04:49] <andres_fr> oks
[04:49] <novaflare> not tried much realy
[04:49] <hondje> I'm missing something, I guess...
[04:49] <andres_fr> i dont really care :p
[04:49] <novaflare> was fooling with enlightenment
[04:49] <hondje> Don't people have to install java on Windows?
[04:49] <NigroCubed> ubuntu is greatest
[04:49] <novaflare> got a headache from crappy ass res
[04:49] <dabaSlon> novaflare so, java installed, tho?
[04:49] <novaflare> na not at moment
[04:50] <jasmuz> Ubuntu Rocks!
[04:50] <yonil> Is there a dictionary program for linux similiar to babylon for windows ? ( i need hebrew-english dictionary )
[04:50] <dabaSlon> hondje ppl dont understand that linux  is unix...
[04:50] <LinuxJones> kestas, dude I have myself pointed a few hundred people to the FAQ's, people learn things differently and encouragment is not a bad thing.
[04:50] <dabaSlon> they think it is I dont know what...
[04:50] <jasmuz> yonil: why dont you search synaptic? eh??
[04:50] <yonil> dabaSlon, linux isnt unix, GNU = gnu isnt unix =p
[04:50] <kestas> LinuxJones: all your encouraging them to do is to ask more dumbass repetitive questions
[04:50] <kestas> *youre
[04:51] <dabaSlon> well, I mean, it is that type of OS...many conf files, different file syste,...
[04:51] <dabaSlon> root, permissions, aliases, scripts, whatevgersl...so many new concepts.
[04:51] <Davey|Ubuntu> serves me right for having such a large set of extensions
[04:51] <yonil> ah sure, everything's a file
[04:51] <kestas> lets not start this 'what is unix' debate again..
[04:51] <kestas> yonil: what about processed?
[04:51] <dabaSlon> I took a course in it at University, and he comes here, and thinks Ill teach him how to use it in 2 mins...
[04:51] <kestas> *processes
[04:51] <Davey|Ubuntu> getting there though :D
[04:52] <hondje> You don't need a course, you just need to read the documentation....
[04:52] <kestas> Davey|Ubuntu: you any good with php5?
[04:52] <LinuxJones> kestas, that might be your way of getting folks to use Ubuntu but it's not mine
[04:52] <andres_fr> is enlightment a replacement for gnome or just nautilus?
[04:52] <dabaSlon> hondje well, you dont need it...but, it comes in handy...
[04:52] <hondje> andres_fr: either :)
[04:53] <andres_fr> hm?
[04:53] <kestas> LinuxJones: were not missionaries trying to get everyone in the world to use ubuntu, who cares who uses it?
[04:53] <hondje> oh, nautilus
[04:53] <hondje> I misread that as metacity for some odd reason
[04:53] <hondje> andres_fr: gnome
[04:53] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, what do I need to do to allow for > 885MB of RAM?
[04:53] <LinuxJones> kestas, well obviously not you
[04:53] <Davey|Ubuntu> (i.e. 1GB)
[04:54] <andres_fr> hm, but i guess some gnome apps look alin there right?
[04:54] <jasmuz> kestas: you are wrong
[04:54] <kestas> LinuxJones: its an OPERATING SYSTEM.. not a religion.. jeez I half expect to see people hijacking aeroplanes in the name of linux soon
[04:54] <hondje> hehehe
[04:54] <novaflare> lol
[04:54] <slashven> is possible to install kde on ubuntu???
[04:54] <NigroCubed> yes
[04:54] <NigroCubed> of coures
[04:54] <NigroCubed> ubuntu is the best
[04:55] <NigroCubed> you can do anything with ubuntu
[04:55] <kestas> slashven: read the FAQ
[04:55] <Davey|Ubuntu> oh, need the i686 kernel
[04:55] <jasmuz> slashven: yes...just download kde-desktop via apt or synaptic
[04:55] <dabaSlon> slashven yes, it is.
[04:55] <LinuxJones> kestas, dude nobody said it was a religion if you don't want to help anybody out, why are you in this irc channel ?
[04:55] <dabaSlon> slashven I have had several ppl complain about not being able to get back into gnome after installing.
[04:56] <dabaSlon> slashven the command is sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <slashven> could i do it usin apt-get
[04:56] <slashven> ok
[04:56] <slashven> thanks
[04:56] <kestas> LinuxJones: to get help for my long since solved problem, and when people arent debating which wm is the best, helping people with stupid questions or saying 'woo go ubuntu yay!! lol' then its a good chan
[04:56] <dabaSlon> not surte which repos are needed, but I would get the ones nickrud created.
[04:56] <Davey|Ubuntu> do I get the AMD K7 kernel for an AthlonXP 3200+?
[04:56] <jasmuz> dabaSlon: i installed KDE and uninstalled without a hitch
[04:56] <dabaSlon> kestas, I can not see what your problem is...
[04:56] <kestas> LinuxJones: and I help with problems which arent stupid too, when there is one
[04:56] <dabaSlon> we love you man...:-pp
[04:56] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Yes.
[04:57] <Davey|Ubuntu> thanks Shuddertrix
[04:57] <dabaSlon> jasmuz good for you, both were newbies, and gnome would not load except through failsafe.
[04:57] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: I'm using the K7 kernel for my 2600+, perfect.
[04:57] <jasmuz> dabaSlon: im also a noob
[04:57] <hondje> What happened to "humanity to others"? :)
[04:57] <dabaSlon> well,, me too, but they weere like right fresh installs, at least one of them.
[04:57] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: do you know if kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 supports 1GB RAM?
[04:57] <novaflare> kestes thing is what is a stupid question? im a complete noob ti linux essentialy
[04:58] <novaflare> i prefer to do stuff on my own asking for as little help as possible
[04:58] <hondje> Davey|Ubuntu: I think there's a kernel-k7 metapackage
[04:58] <novaflare> but other will want or need more help
[04:58] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Not entirely sure, let me check.
[04:58] <hondje> It'll install all that shit for you
[04:58] <dabaSlon> I really dont see a need for your argument, LinuxJones , and kestas .
[04:58] <kestas> a stupid question is one which is in the FAQ or easily googled
[04:58] <iceman> took me a while to reconfig my keyboard, Downloaded Wolfenstein Enemy terratoy, it launched some application that kept asking to set keyboard delay ..
[04:58] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: thanks
[04:58] <slashven> how could i handle a dvd???
[04:58] <Shuddertrix> Get the metapackage, however.
[04:58] <kestas> dabaSlon: me neither
[04:58] <hondje> assuming k7 is what you want
[04:58] <Davey|Ubuntu> slashven: to read? write?
[04:58] <slashven> to read
[04:59] <kestas> slashven: read the FAQ
[04:59] <novaflare> oh you mean like the faq for installing drivers for ati
[04:59] <slashven> ok..
[04:59] <dabaSlon> slashven do read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:59] <iceman> anyone using a 64 bit system /
[04:59] <slashven> im gonna read it
[04:59] <novaflare> i tend to be able to figure out things like that fairly easly
[04:59] <novaflare> yet that faqw was very confusing at first
[04:59] <dabaSlon> kestas, if you would like me to explain something abotu the real world, and you will listen, I will.
[04:59] <LinuxJones> kestas, nobody is forcing you to be here. If we are not elite enough for you try #Debian (you will get lots of lovin in there)
[04:59] <dabaSlon> The real world of tech support.
[04:59] <hondje> hehe, #debian
[04:59] <dabaSlon> :)
[04:59] <novaflare> took me 2 or 3 small questions to figure out what i was screwing up on
[04:59] <kestas> dabaSlon: eeee no thanks
[04:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> slashven: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> mm, Davey|Ubuntu, i'm not sure
[05:00] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: hmm :/
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> it should though
[05:00] <dabaSlon> cause I work tech support exactly like this in chat../..so I can tell you the facts.
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> the bigmem limit is 4gb IIRC
[05:00] <novaflare> some times faqs while well intentioned and well writen for most users will confuse the ever livign hell out of others
[05:00] <dabaSlon> 50 % of the job is resestting passwordfs.
[05:00] <kestas> LinuxJones: Im not elite, I just think people should read the FAQ before coming here, thats what the FAQ is for
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> or something like that
[05:00] <dabaSlon> 30 % is refering to the FAA.
[05:00] <dabaSlon> FAQ.
[05:00] <Davey|Ubuntu> kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7. <--- the meta package?
[05:00] <hondje> a lot of newbies seem not to understand the faq
[05:00] <novaflare> yeh
[05:00] <hondje> Like none of them can grok a man page, it's gibberish
[05:01] <LinuxJones> dabaSlon, I take insulting #ubuntu fairly seriously, we are here trying to help :D
[05:01] <kestas> they seem to not read it, take slashven for example
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: linux-k7
[05:01] <dabaSlon> LinuxJones I never heard him insulting, and I could only get upset at what he said if I thought it had anything to do with the truth.
[05:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: thats what its called?
[05:01] <hondje> Davey|Ubuntu: linux-k7 - Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7
[05:01] <andres_fr> wow enlightment looks amazing
[05:01] <novaflare> to me a well writen faq uses a example
[05:01] <hondje> I bet that's the metapackage, mine was linux-686
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Yeah.
[05:01] <dabaSlon> why slashven, nice guy, came in asked a quesstion, went away, came ack, went away...
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> The metapackage
[05:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, I don't have that one
[05:01] <LinuxJones> kestas, not everybody knows how good the www.ubuntulinux.org website is
[05:02] <novaflare> like a faq might mention app get
[05:02] <andres_fr> i need a monitor that can take 1600x1200 so it looks even cooler
[05:02] <hondje> andres_fr: e17 is the future
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> Installs the image and modules
[05:02] <novaflare> and use the stupid ass < > for a example
[05:02] <kestas> LinuxJones: well theyre not going to learn if you baby walk them through it instead of telling them about it
[05:02] <slashven> jajaja
[05:02] <dabaSlon> will have his comp setup soon, I really think you need a chill pill kestas:) No need to be upset, we really try, but most of use are newbies ourselves.
[05:02] <novaflare> some people may thing that the < > are needed for the command
[05:02] <novaflare> or may asume they are not needed etc
[05:02] <novaflare> or same goes for "
[05:02] <yonil> what's the meaning of the word "dharma" ?
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: It should be there.
[05:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: its not there, but I have enabled all the universe, multiverse, etc package repositories
[05:03] <slashven> this is because im reading some about ubuntu... because im new in here... dabaSlon
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: You've apt-get update'd, right?
[05:03] <spinifex> novaflare: You think it would be better to instead use css borders to make a blank box where we substitute a word?
[05:03] <limer> yonil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma
[05:03] <dabaSlon> novaflare yup, you can never dumb it down ennough is my moto at work...
[05:03] <jasmuz> yonil:  remember this is a suppor channel
[05:03] <novaflare> yeh exactly
[05:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: unless its been put in in the last 2 hrs?
[05:04] <LinuxJones> dabaSlon, well IMHO he had a condescending remark about the channel which I don't agree with
[05:04] <novaflare> hell i was typing sudo some command with qoutes
[05:04] <spinifex> yonil: A dharma (daruma) is a japanese thing.  It's a man with no arms or legs.  You color in one eye when you set a goal, and color in the other when you complete it
[05:04] <dabaSlon> slashven, I did nto get your messge, I read the text, but I dont get what you are trying to say...
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: It's been in there for a long time now.. :P
[05:04] <novaflare> cause the faq had "around the entire thing
[05:04] <dabaSlon> that guy kkestas was dissing you, so I said he is not right to do that...
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> Are you using warty or hoary, anyways?
[05:04] <ubuntu_phil> are there any networking gurus here that will help a newb out? =)
[05:04] <slashven> i mean nothing..
[05:04] <spinifex> yonil: I think the story is that he meditated on his goals so long that he no longer needed his limbs
[05:05] <spinifex> oo, wiki, missed that
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel31> Just added a secondary pci trident video card. Was hoping it would just start working, but it didn't. Was I expecting too much?
[05:06] <novaflare> another reason some one may not use a faq
[05:06] <limer> ;)
[05:06] <andres_fr> hondje, it seems
[05:06] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: you have to configure it in xorg.conf
[05:06] <Shuddertrix> You could just run sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7 linux-restricted-modules-k7
[05:06] <spinifex> hey, the faq is good
[05:06] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: read the gentoo guide to dual monitors
[05:06] <novaflare> is because they may think some one will tell them a easyer way thats come up sence the faq was wrote
[05:06] <andres_fr> ubuntu_phil, no guru, what do you need?
[05:07] <spinifex> novaflare: the faq is pretty recent.  Hoary was just released
[05:07] <novaflare> yeh
[05:07] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, gentoo, isn't that another distro? 'i'm on ubuntu. Should hotplug have reognised it?
[05:07] <novaflare> but i remember 2 times comeing in here and some one gave me a couple quick tips on installign somethign
[05:07] <novaflare> and i had read the faq and was confused by it
[05:07] <hondje> novaflare: and I do it all day long :P
[05:07] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: the gentoo tutorial doesnt have anything gentoo specific in it
[05:07] <novaflare> yet what they told me worked with out a hitch
[05:08] <spinifex> what did they have you install?
[05:08] <slashven> is there a dmsn version relay for ubuntu??
[05:08] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: it may have recognised the monitor and card but that doesnt mean itll use it
[05:08] <novaflare> dont remember now
[05:08] <novaflare> was when i was working on my drivers and few other misc things
[05:08] <spinifex> ah
[05:08] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: tbh dual monitors with X is a bitch
[05:09] <novaflare> im still trying to get dual monitors going
[05:09] <dbernar1> slashven, I dont kno what that is, I think google may tell you, or synaptic, searhc for name and description, tho
[05:09] <spinifex> well that's what the channel is for.  Referring to the FAQ is just so we don't have to repeat ourselves, ne?
[05:09] <novaflare> ive essentialy gave up on it for now
[05:09] <slashven> ok..
[05:09] <kestas> novaflare: same
[05:09] <dbernar1> slashven also, having all repositories enabled will help.
[05:09] <slashven> it sopuses that dmsn is emac clone for the msn messenger
[05:09] <dbernar1> there is a wiki on it, created by nickkrud, nice sources.list.
[05:09] <slashven> is like to amsn...
[05:10] <dbernar1> slashven, ,using gaim now?
[05:10] <dbernar1> You can use that for all protocols.
[05:10] <Davey|Ubuntu> woohoo! PHP5.0.4 installed and running :D
[05:10] <dbernar1> good stuff, Davey|Ubuntu .
[05:10] <slashven> yeah im using gaum no.. +
[05:10] <dbernar1> if you go to the buddies listk, and hit ctrl+a opens accounts, then add, and add whatever.
[05:10] <jasmuz> Davey|Ubuntu: congrats!
[05:10] <Davey|Ubuntu> dbernar1: heh, I've done 601 million times ;)
[05:10] <novaflare> well im off
[05:11] <novaflare> going to bed
[05:11] <Davey|Ubuntu> dbernar1: its just a cache of ./configure wait till it breaks, apt-cache search $package_it_couldn't_find, apt-get install $package, ./configure wait till it breaks...
[05:11] <Davey|Ubuntu> at least, on a system I've not setup before...
[05:11] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, thanks for the encouragement.
[05:11] <kestas> heheh anytime
[05:12] <dbernar1> night, novaflare .
[05:12] <spinife1> woo, I can use gaim for this
[05:12] <spinife1> o, it mangled my name cuz I'm double connected
[05:12] <dbernar1> yup.
[05:12] <dbernar1> I cant become dabaSlon for some reason, it didntt get discoed.
[05:13] <dbernar1> Im using bitchX on Mac OS X.
[05:13] <Davey|Ubuntu> anyone know if the .gaim from windows will work in linux gaim?
[05:13] <FlyingSquirrel31> It says to use "rc-update del xdm default" to set the pc to not start x on boot. Just to be sure, what command can I use to undo this?
[05:13] <kestas>  /ns ghost dabaSlon yourpassword
[05:13] <spinifex> davey: what?
[05:13] <spinifex> oh the configuration
[05:13] <BoarderTX> i went throuhg the wiki instructions for getting wireless to work, which included doing a "modprobe ndiswrapper" which cuased the reboot of my machine
[05:13] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: ah actually that wont work
[05:13] <dbernar1> I dont have a password.
[05:13] <spinifex> I don't know, but if I were you I would reconfigure it with the gui, to make sure the features exist.  There are windows exclusive features
[05:13] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: you dont want to follow it word for word
[05:14] <BoarderTX> it loaded fine, so i finished by doing the "sudo gedit /etc/modules" and appending it with ndiswrapper
[05:14] <hondje> yeah, ubuntu uses gdm for example
[05:14] <BoarderTX> restarted and now its stopped at starting hotplug system and seems locked
[05:14] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: just set up xorg.conf like it says, and take a backup, and know how to revert to that backup if X doesnt start
[05:15] <Davey|Ubuntu> awesome! I just symlinked my windows one over...
[05:15] <Davey|Ubuntu> but I have a feeling it'll b0rke when I try to log something :/
[05:16] <hondje> hrm, the magnifier looks like crap when you set your session language to korean
[05:16] <BoarderTX> any thoughts?
[05:17] <liable> BoarderTX: well, start with removing it from modules. or blacklist it in hotplug
[05:17] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, great... what am I getting myself into??
[05:17] <BoarderTX> what do you mean blacklist it
[05:17] <kestas> a whole load of shit if you dont know what youre doing
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, okay then, how do I start X with a particular xorg.conf?
[05:18] <liable> BoarderTX: /etc/hotplug/blacklist    put it in there
[05:18] <tiglionabbit> yarg, how do I change my nickname password on freenode?
[05:18] <BoarderTX> oh ok
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, and how do I set it to boot into X using a certain .conf?
[05:18] <flex_> low gravity fps hehehe
[05:18] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: if you dont know how to alter, back up, and restore your xorg.conf then you shouldnt be trying to use dual monitors
[05:18] <BoarderTX> so am i out of luck or should there be a way to get this working?
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrel31> xorg.confI think I can work out the rest with the wiki
[05:19] <liable> BoarderTX: yes, just try the blacklist and reboot
[05:20] <liable> BoarderTX: you have a knoppix cd or something?
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, If I just backup the original, and I know how to start it manually, I should be safe, no?
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, I'm willing to learn.
[05:20] <BoarderTX> liable: no i dont, i just installed ubuntu 5.04 off the iso and wanted to try to get my netgear wg111 usb wifi working so i could get on the net, i have no e
[05:20] <BoarderTX> other access
[05:21] <liable> BoarderTX: oh, well, if you dont know how to use the install cd to mount your fs, maybe a re-install would take less time.
[05:22] <BoarderTX> well i got in through a recovery option
[05:22] <BoarderTX> it takes you to a root prompt, i got back into gnome
[05:22] <BoarderTX> i'm wondering what to do now
[05:22] <liable> BoarderTX: oh, ok, then blacklist the module and try a reboot
[05:23] <BoarderTX> what does blacklisting do? should i keep the line removed from the /etc/modules?
[05:23] <liable> BoarderTX: it will stop hotplug loading the module, yes leave it in /etc/modules for now and see what happens
[05:24] <BoarderTX> ok so have it in both
[05:24] <liable> yes
[05:24] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas,  this doesn't look so bad...
[05:24] <liable> BoarderTX: how did you get the ndiswrapper module?
[05:24] <liable> FlyingSquirrel31: hes gone dude
[05:24] <BoarderTX> i downloaded it
[05:25] <BoarderTX> i'm following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[05:25] <raDeon> mURRAY!
[05:25] <FlyingSquirrel31> liable, yeh, I was just catching on to that. :)
[05:26] <hybrid> hello all
[05:27] <BoarderTX> brb
[05:27] <liable> BoarderTX: ok, when you loaded the module before
[05:27] <liable> it loaded ok?
[05:27] <FlyingSquirrel31> how do I disable X from starting at boot on ubuntu?
[05:28] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  permanently? dpkg --purge gdm
[05:28] <liable> remove gdm
[05:28] <new2gentoo> liable, that is necessary is it?
[05:28] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31: or rather, sudo dpkg --purge gdm
[05:28] <FlyingSquirrel31> no, I want to configure dual monitors, somthing temporary.
[05:29] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31: sudo apt-get install gdm, after then
[05:29] <jasmuz> FlyingSquirrel31: read about Xinerama
[05:29] <liable> FlyingSquirrel31: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:29] <liable> FlyingSquirrel31: ctrl - alt - back
[05:30] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  why not just boot to single user mode from the grub menu?
[05:30] <FlyingSquirrel31> I like the grub idea.
[05:31] <FlyingSquirrel31> eyequeue, if I do that can I still run startx after changing the xorg.conf?
[05:31] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  simple painless no changes, you change what you like then reboot normally
[05:31] <FlyingSquirrel31> eyequeue, cool.
[05:32] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  and yes, you can use startx for testing too
[05:32] <andres_fr> if i get enlightment, how do i choose which windows manager to use each time?
[05:33] <kakalto> does anyone else here use oneko?
[05:35] <liable> well, it is sunday after all
[05:35] <BoarderXT1> ok i am back. so basically i am new to ubuntu and my only means of access are my wireless usb key (netgear wg111), i am wondering how the best way to get that working is
[05:36] <liable> BoarderXT1: did it boot?
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> well something's all screwed p
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> i know this might sound crazy
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> but i couldn't get into root
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> as if the password had been changed
[05:37] <BR0KEN> word to all: Ardour is freekin sweet.
[05:38] <BoarderXT1> i was thinking abou resinstalling and trying this effort again from scratch
[05:38] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  there is no root password
[05:38] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:38] <BoarderXT1> well i recall it asking for one when installed. an di even tried putting in nothing
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> boarder: the first user is given sudo privileges.  It asks for your user password when you use a gui program that needs root.  You can use sudo to run root things from the terminal
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> cool
[05:39] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  um not a *root* password, a user password (which you can use to sudo)
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:39] <liable> BoarderXT1: try sudo
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> i will thanks
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> so what do you think the best way to get the usb key working it?
[05:39] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  if you're in x, gksudo
[05:39] <maztermin> Boardesudo passwd lets you change the root password
[05:40] <new2gentoo> eyequeue, how long do you have sudo permission after entering password?
[05:40] <maztermin> untill you play with the sudoers file
[05:40] <eyequeue> new2gentoo:  by default, 5 moinutes, but it's configurable
[05:41] <eyequeue> new2gentoo:  man 5 sudoers, for how
[05:41] <BoarderXT1> sorry i dont know if its matters but i'm referring to a usb wireless key
[05:41] <BoarderXT1> its a netgear wg111, i'm open for suggestions to gettin git working
[05:41] <maztermin> wireless??
[05:41] <new2gentoo> thanks eyequeue was just wondering how ubuntu handled it without having a typical root access
[05:42] <maztermin> the storage part should be mountaboe as /dev/sda1
[05:42] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  let me first presume your kernel supports it, okay?
[05:42] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:42] <liable> hehe, no, eyequeue ndiswrapper
[05:42] <OSStiger> How do we use the "Gnome BitTorrent" program? I have a URL for a torrent file, but the program is asking to open a file on my PC.
[05:43] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  open up a console, type 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' and then plug the device in and unplug it, to see if it shows up there
[05:43] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  then type sudo dmesg | tail, for the same reason
[05:43] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  if so, you now know it's sensed, and what it will be calling it
[05:44] <holycow> *hmm*
[05:44] <holycow> whats the fastest way to backup files and retain permissions?
[05:44] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  if not, well, you'll need to get the right modules loaded (or compiled) and that's something that i won't be here long enough to walk you through
[05:45] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:45] <eyequeue> holycow:  cp -a foo bar
[05:45] <BoarderXT1> so what exactly does ndiswrapper do?
[05:45] <raDeon> haha foo bar
[05:45] <new2gentoo> raDeon, so do you say similar things in here?
[05:45] <raDeon> no.
[05:45] <holycow> heh good point
[05:46] <eyequeue> holycow:  if it's more than just a file, i prefer to make up a tarball (if it's to another host, man rsync, which has some nifty options)
[05:46] <holycow> eyequeue, does tar automatically retain permissions or do i need to pass a flag?
[05:46] <maztermin> ndiswrapper emulates a widows environment for the specific driver so you can use windows drivers in linux. (there is probably a better explanation, but not that I can put here and now)
[05:47] <eyequeue> holycow:  -p (owercase) will retain perms
[05:47] <holycow> ah! cool danke
[05:47] <holycow> :)
[05:47] <OSStiger> is the built-in Gnome BitTorrent program just for uploading? or can it also download stuff?
[05:47] <raDeon> OSStiger, yes
[05:47] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:48] <eyequeue> holycow:  -p is default for noot, but not for non-root, iirc, so to be safe, specify it
[05:48] <BoarderXT1> so ndiswrapper runs in teh background emulating windows drivers for linux
[05:48] <OSStiger> raDeon: yes, it can download? or yes, it only is for uploading?
[05:48] <BoarderXT1> how come putting it in teh modules file would cause a hang at boot?
[05:48] <maztermin> not emulating
[05:48] <dabaSlon_sck> raDeon: it was an or question.
[05:48] <raDeon> haha i know i just thought it was funny because he asked two question
[05:48] <dabaSlon_sck> OSStiger: I would expect both.
[05:48] <raDeon> so i say yes
[05:48] <raDeon> to be funny
[05:48] <dabaSlon_sck> yA, it was kinda:)
[05:48] <maztermin> it works as a bridge between the ndiswrtapper moddule and the windows driver
[05:48] <raDeon> comedy is my strong point
[05:48] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  it's opeer-to-peer, meaning there's no up and down, just "sharing" (both ways)
[05:49] <holycow> eyequeue, oh i didn't know that either
[05:49] <holycow> very cool, appreciate that
[05:49] <maztermin> (a few typoes, dont like this keyboard..)
[05:49] <randey> how to stop a service in ubantu. I want to off the ntp service. its taking long time while booting
[05:49] <drcodedd2> is there postscript editor ?
[05:49] <andres_fr> randey, chmod -x service
[05:49] <eyequeue> holycow:  np.  btw "man tar" if ever you need info and can't get on irc (slash is the search-for-string command)
[05:49] <andres_fr> it's all at ubuntuguide
[05:50] <eyequeue> randey:  /etc/init.d/ntpdate stop, for example
[05:50] <OSStiger> how can i download a bittorent file, then? When I click on the Gnome BitTorrent program icon in the menu, I get a "Open Location for BitTorrent meta file" dialog window. But it doesn't ask for the URL/URI.
[05:50] <randey> eyequeue : that is not permanent.
[05:50] <andres_fr> hondje, did you try enlightment from the repositories?
[05:50] <eyequeue> randey:  but if you want to avoid it running at boot, see 'man update-rc.d'
[05:50] <andres_fr> OSStiger, you have to download the torrent file first
[05:50] <randey> eyequeue : thanks
[05:50] <OSStiger> Oh, i see, andres_fr
[05:50] <OSStiger> thanks.
[05:51] <andres_fr> np
[05:51] <eyequeue> randey:  np, that also explains ubuntu's boot philosophy, so you'll come away knowing more, but don't get overwhelmed if you aren't interested in it all
[05:51] <hondje> andres_fr: No, I was building it from cvs until I switched to ubuntu about a month ago
[05:52] <andres_fr> hondje, it doesnt look all ready from the repos as the pagest say
[05:52] <OSStiger> is there "pause downloading" feature in Gnome Bittorent?
[05:52] <hondje> andres_fr: It's only good for running in xnest right now :(
[05:52] <andres_fr> xnest?
[05:52] <fishie> you can hit stop
[05:52] <fishie> then resume
[05:52] <andres_fr> OSStiger, you should get azureus if you are up for big leeching
[05:53] <hondje> andres_fr: yeah, like flexiserver
[05:53] <maztermin> azeur or abc, both works very well
[05:53] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  gtk-bitorrent is the basic app, but azureus is the featureful one
[05:53] <iceman> anyone have a great kde desktop i can see screen shots of ?
[05:53] <andres_fr> hondje, you lost me again :p
[05:53] <OSStiger> eyequeue, asureus is not in the REPOs, i'm afraid.
[05:54] <hondje> andres_fr: like a desktop inside a window on your desktop
[05:54] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  no, but ubuntuguide.org gives specific step-by-step instructions
[05:54] <andres_fr> oh
[05:54] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  azureus btw
[05:54] <andres_fr> why is that?
[05:54] <FlyingSquirrel31> ok, when I ran X -configure on my system, it came back saying it didn't have the output drivers.
[05:54] <FlyingSquirrel31> I've done a little research and found my card is supported by the trident driver.
[05:55] <FlyingSquirrel31> Does this come with the kernel or ubuntu, or where do I download it from?
[05:56] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  it should.
[05:56] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, any ideas why I'd get that error?
[05:56] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  linux-image-2.6.10-5-686: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/oss/trident.ko (as one example)
[05:57] <dr_willis> nope. :P  if i had a machien with a trident video card... i'd use it for a paperweight. :P lol.
[05:57] <OSStiger> eyequeue, you were saying something about "azureus btw..." ....
[05:57] <dr_willis> what is the exact type of video card anyway?
[05:57] <OSStiger> which is better? Bittorrent's official version, or azureus?
[05:57] <mp1> where's the conf file for the gdm login WM chooser??
[05:57] <FlyingSquirrel31> eyequeue, I've got the same file. Any ideas why I'd get that error?
[05:57] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  just mentioning that is the spelling, if you're doing a grep of that page, ubuntuguide.org
[05:57] <dr_willis> mp1,  you mean where does it get the list of window managers?
[05:57] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  no
[05:57] <OSStiger> grep?
[05:58] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  a search, like when you press slash in firefox
[05:58] <iceman> opps
[05:58] <mp1> dr_willis: yes please... I reinstalled xfce using apt-get after uninstalling the binary packages, and now I have two entries
[05:58] <dr_willis> mp1, /usr/share/xsessions/WHATEVER.desktop
[05:58] <dr_willis> is where they are kept.
[05:59] <mp1> thanks
[05:59] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, Device manager says: TGUI 9660/938x/968x
[05:59] <OSStiger> i have a package called "bittorrent" that has been installed. this is not the same as gnome bittorrent, is it?
[05:59] <iceman> how to get and install kde themes ?
[06:00] <neverstable> hello any one plz help me loading ubuntu
[06:00] <neverstable> i tried morphix-instller
[06:00] <benplaut> iceman: #kubuntu ;)
[06:00] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, trying to install it as a secondary card to show movies on my fancy new projector ;-)
[06:00] <mp1> so dr_willis if I change one of them to a non .desktop ending, it won't be seen by the chooser right?  so i can by process of elimination figure out which one i want
[06:00] <neverstable> it says command not found
[06:00] <neverstable> plz help me
[06:00] <maztermin> iceman: google there are a abundance of places to get them
[06:00] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  could manyally set the driver in the X confg file. but  i dont know what the name of the driver would be.
[06:00] <dr_willis> neverstable,  morphix-installer? where is that from
[06:01] <eyequeue> neverstable:  morphix != ubuntu
[06:01] <iceman> have tried linux a lot lately.. just never figured out how to install the themes
[06:01] <eyequeue> okay, it;s time, bye
[06:01] <neverstable> wht abt sudo morphix-instller
[06:01] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, according to a list I googled, the name of the driver is just "trident"
[06:01] <eyequeue> neverstable:  morphix is a completely different distro.  are you trolling?
[06:01] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, my prob is that I don't know setting up x config's.
[06:01] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  ya tried manually editing the x config file then?  change the driver= line perhaps.
[06:02] <neverstable> no
[06:02] <neverstable> but in the documentation and googling i get that command
[06:02] <neverstable> http://www.linuxfactory.ie/llfsoftw/llfswdis.html
[06:02] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  could cheat and boot knoppix, or morphix, and if they work. copy their X config over :P
[06:02] <neverstable> you can check this
[06:02] <benplaut> iceman: did you ever solve the 640x480 problem?
[06:02] <neverstable> but its not workin plz help me :((
[06:03] <dr_willis> neverstable,  thats because its for Morphix.. not ubuntu
[06:03] <dr_willis> if you want to install ubungu - get a installcd.
[06:03] <hondje> Hi...does xorg not require the font server running?
[06:03] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, but If I just change the driver name, won't it try to use my primary card with the trident drivers (which would probably fail)
[06:03] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  no idea. :P   one way to find out.
[06:04] <neverstable> but can't we install from a live cd
[06:04] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, yeah... study the manuals :D
[06:04] <dr_willis> neverstable,  ubuntu has no install from live cd feature yet.
[06:04] <neverstable> wat
[06:04] <benplaut> neverstable: but it is planned for future releases (?)
[06:04] <neverstable> oh no
[06:05] <dr_willis> what what? very simple.. :P its not a feature.
[06:05] <raDeon> NOT A FEATURE. NOT A FEATURE.
[06:05] <dr_willis> the DVD version has a live cd and works as an install cd.. but it  not an 'install from live cd'
[06:05] <raDeon> CAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[06:05] <neverstable> oh no
[06:05] <raDeon> INSTALL FROM LIVE CD
[06:05] <Xenguy> raDeon: get off the capslock please
[06:05] <robert> is a 10GB partition enough for EBUNTU?
[06:05] <raDeon> no problems
[06:05] <neverstable> but the site said http://www.linuxfactory.ie/llfsoftw/llfswdis.html we can installe from live cd
[06:05] <robert> ubuntu*
[06:06] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: maybe the site is wrong :)
[06:06] <dr_willis> robert,  maybe a little small for a much real  work.. but a basic system should work.
[06:06] <neverstable> oh no
[06:06] <merc248> hi... i'm having problems with trying to load the ipw2200 modules; i try to do a sudo modprobe ipw2200 after installing the new drivers, and i keep getting "invalid module format"
[06:06] <merc248> any ideas at all?
[06:06] <neverstable> but where can i get complete real info
[06:06] <dr_willis> neverstable,  that site dosent even MENTION ubuntu
[06:06] <dr_willis> try the ubuntu homepages
[06:07] <neverstable> i tried
[06:07] <neverstable> but there is no sign of  installation
[06:07] <dr_willis> Huh?
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: what?
[06:07] <dr_willis> you get a installcd and go at it. :P
[06:07] <dr_willis> they dont mention isntalling from a live  cd/ becasue its not doable. :P
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: you can on some distros
[06:07] <robert> wats considered real work?
[06:08] <dr_willis> |QuaD-_,  we are refering to Ubuntu here however. :P
[06:08] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: what exactly is your question/problem/etc
[06:08] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: :)
[06:08] <neverstable> mine is installin ubuntu from live cd
[06:08] <neverstable> i need the command
[06:08] <carsonc> Is the via server from hoary's X.org borked in some way?  I upgraded from warty and had to switch to vesa.
[06:08] <dr_willis> neverstable,  cant be dont at the time.. next.. :P
[06:08] <neverstable> i tried morphix-instlaler
[06:08] <dr_willis> err done.. :P
[06:08] <dr_willis> neverstable,  thats for the Morphix Linux Live Cd/Disrto
[06:08] <neverstable> :P
[06:09] <neverstable> :)
[06:09] <neverstable> :(
[06:09] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: it is not possible. maybe later on, but currently you can't. what else do you need
[06:09] <neverstable> nothin
[06:09] <neverstable> thq:)
[06:09] <neverstable> :)
[06:09] <dr_willis> which is very nicely done.   Morphix and Knoppix both can do live cd-installs.
[06:09] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: why is installing from live cd so important?
[06:09] <neverstable> but not ubunt
[06:09] <robert> how do i increase the size of a partition without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[06:09] <raDeon> the cheese stands alone.
[06:09] <|QuaD-_> mepis can install from livecd
[06:09] <paringas> hi, guys, just put on the 5.04 and can't get my bluetooth mouse to work, could anyone help, please?
[06:09] <neverstable> how can i configure bluetooth in ubuntu
[06:09] <Aegir> Mepis does installs very nicely
[06:10] <dr_willis> robert,  could boot a live cd that has gparted, or qt_parted,  and resize the partitions.
[06:10] <paringas> neverstable: that's what i'm talking about :)
[06:10] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: livecd or installed?
[06:10] <paringas> |QuaD-_: installed
[06:10] <neverstable> i hv ubutu instlled
[06:10] <|QuaD-_> paringas: do you have the bluez package?
[06:10] <robert> say wat?
[06:10] <neverstable> but i wnt from live cd like in knowpix
[06:10] <neverstable> exit
[06:10] <paringas> not in installed, but i think i've got bluetooth.o rfcomm.o sco.o though
[06:11] <dr_willis> robert,  get live cd that has qt_parted or some other tool to do the job and resize the partitions.
[06:11] <|QuaD-_> paringas: i do not use bluetooth, but i believe you need the bluez package
[06:11] <robert> ooh
[06:11] <dr_willis> Heh - i cant even find my bluetooth dongle adaptor.
[06:11] <robert> cant i do it thru windows, using partion magic?
[06:12] <dr_willis> robert,  you could.. but if you had partition magic and thoguth it could do it. :P why did you ask.. lol.
[06:12] <paringas> |QuaD-_: so what's the algorithm of getting it? apt-get? recompile? there seems to be no /proc/config
[06:12] <dr_willis> Partition Magic may not like the ext3 partions however.
[06:12] <robert> becuase last time i tried to partition sometin i nearly messed up my whole compuer
[06:12] <carsonc> paringas: the package gnome-bluetooth might also be helpful (dunno, though, don't use bluetooth)
[06:13] <|QuaD-_> paringas: algorithm? hehe.... i would use apt-cache search bluetooth... then use that information to get what you need
[06:14] <paringas> |QuaD-_: sorry, i'm new to debian so i'm acting a bit dumb :) after using gentoo's portage
[06:14] <iceman> whats best way to get a mac look in kde ?
[06:14] <_nate__> use gnome
[06:14] <|QuaD-_> iceman: i don't use kde, but i remember there being a mac look and feel
[06:15] <_nate__> and get macosx theme
[06:15] <dr_willis> robert,  heh - it pays to be carefull.
[06:15] <benplaut> well, g'bye everyone
[06:15] <benplaut> off to see EPIII
[06:15] <iceman> hate lacking icons in gnome ... got to have the icons on screen
[06:15] <|QuaD-_> lacking icons in gnome? eh?
[06:15] <carsonc> iceman: So drag them from the menu to the desktop?
[06:15] <dr_willis> Icons on the desktop? that sooo 1995.
[06:16] <paringas> btw, is there a way to get xterm to display in one of the opera's tabs? sorry for dumb questions again
[06:16] <iceman> whats a link to gnome look
[06:16] <Aegir> iceman, Apart from theming, and getting apps like kxdocker and ksmooth dock, you can set up a mac style top bar. Thats what I use at the moment, however I use the KDE classic style for a bit of Debian Stable nostaliga
[06:16] <dr_willis> paringas,  thats a new idea. :P
[06:16] <carsonc> paringas: as I recall, there used to be a netscape plugin that would let you embed a xnest'd X session in a web page
[06:16] <Aegir> iceman, Just google gnome look. Youll find it almost instantly
[06:17] <carsonc> this has been a good four or so years ago, though
[06:17] <_nate__> iceman: you can add icons to the bar on gnome, there's no lack of icons
[06:17] <iceman> whats a app simular to superkaramba for gnome ?
[06:17] <paringas> carsonc: thanks
[06:18] <Aegir> iceman, for the top bar: KDE Control center -> Desktop -> Behavior -> Menu bar at top of screen
[06:18] <Aegir> Also, gDesklets does the same job as superkaramba
[06:18] <iceman> Aegir let me load gnome .. brb
[06:19] <OSStiger> is there a way i could download a  file which mplayer usually plays within firefox?
[06:19] <dr_willis> OSStiger, right click.. save link as.....
[06:19] <OSStiger> dr_willis, there's no link. It's an embedded file.
[06:19] <paringas> |QuaD-_: apt-cache search bluetooth came up with nothing? what do i do? :)
[06:19] <_nate__> screenshot of my desktop: http://img182.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot4tv.png
[06:20] <dr_willis> OSStiger,  how are you getting to it?
[06:20] <|QuaD-_> paringas: odd, i got a lot of responses to it
[06:20] <dr_willis> OSStiger,  could use wget on theurl to the file
[06:20] <_nate__> Aegir: what?
[06:20] <iceman> Aagir .. well resolution sucks .. wheres the settings in gnome ?
[06:20] <_nate__> iceman: http://img182.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot4tv.png
[06:20] <_nate__> check my ss
[06:21] <iceman> _nate__ nice look there
[06:21] <_nate__> iceman: yeah, macosx theme under gnome
[06:22] <iceman> _nate__ that a easy install ?
[06:22] <paringas> *maaan, it's really a pain to be using a touchpad*
[06:22] <Aegir> Oh, and get Kompose.
[06:22] <Aegir> Seriously. Kompose rocks
[06:23] <Aegir> Theres Expocity for Gnome, but it sucks
[06:23] <carsonc> paringas:  Dunno what you need it for, but check out http://www.mindterm.com/products/80_MindTerm/index.php
[06:23] <OSStiger> dr_willis, well, i'm doing it the oldfashioned, but a bit inconvenient way, of opening source, then opening it in fx, then File->Save as.
[06:23] <_nate__> iceman: yeah, really really easy install
[06:23] <randey> what is ubuntu selinux channel?
[06:24] <_nate__> iceman: just a matter of copying files to a few directories and then selecting the theme
[06:24] <|QuaD-_> randey: i don't think there is an ubuntu selinux yet
[06:24] <iceman> where does gnome have the setting for screen resolution ... my sucks right now
[06:24] <Aegir> Or dragging the theme tarball to the theme manager, where it installsit automaticlly
[06:24] <|QuaD-_> iceman: thats an X setting
[06:24] <_nate__> iceman: System>preferences>screen resolution
[06:25] <iceman> lost here ... sec
[06:25] <_nate__> Aegir: not sure that works, man
[06:25] <_nate__> Aegir: I installed it how the readme said to
[06:25] <iceman> well cant adjust it ... already at 1024x768 ...
[06:26] <iceman> Is there a way to adjust ico size ?
[06:26] <_nate__> iceman: yeah, i had that beef for a while, but my screen is designed for 1024x768
[06:26] <_nate__> iceman: adjust the bar size
[06:26] <dr_willis> thats what will be nice when the svg type icons and stuff get more common. :P looks good at any size
[06:26] <iceman> on desktop icons size ?
[06:26] <BR0KEN> icons should not reside on the desktop.
[06:27] <_nate__> oh, no idea
[06:27] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  heh i agree :P for the most part.
[06:27] <_nate__> BR0KEN: I concur
[06:27] <kikdadog> help i need an ubuntu genius
[06:27] <glick> hey ubuntu xfce4 does it use rox-filer? as the file manager?
[06:27] <_nate__> kikdadog: you will find no such thing here, only people with ideas
[06:27] <BR0KEN> yeah
[06:27] <kikdadog> a guru would do
[06:27] <BR0KEN> lol nate
[06:27] <dr_willis> glick,  yes - it can be installed.
[06:27] <iceman> ok .. wheres the mac theme located ? for download ?
[06:27] <BR0KEN> mac theme?
[06:28] <kikdadog> having a hard time burning an iso image
[06:28] <BR0KEN> for gnome?
[06:28] <aevum> hello
[06:28] <dr_willis> thers several uGLY mac themes at the varois gnome theme sites
[06:28] <glick> dr_willis, if you just do apt-get install xfce4 what one does it use rox or xfce4 one?
[06:28] <_nate__> iceman: i can't remember where, so i'm uploading it right now for download
[06:28] <carsonc> glick: I believe it uses xffm
[06:28] <BR0KEN> gnome looks great with clearlooks.
[06:28] <_nate__> dr_willis: I found the good one
[06:28] <Aegir> _nate__, Quite often, if a theme/iconset is in a .tar.gz, you can just drag the .tar.gz into gnome-theme-manager.
[06:28] <paringas> carsonc: i like to use opera for as much stuff at the same time as possible (irc,im,web,xterm...) - just seems convenient to me not to have all sorts of windows open everywhere. but that's just me.
[06:28] <_nate__> dr_willis: http://img182.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot4tv.png
[06:28] <iceman> _nate__ thanks ..
[06:28] <dr_willis> glick,  i think the other day  the default file manager ICON wanted rox. but it comes with xffm :P
[06:28] <nich> could someone help me by telling what would cause gnome-session to stop working after a upgrade from warty to hoary and how I could possibly fix it?
[06:28] <yahalom> anyone know how i can get a boot screen?
[06:28] <_nate__> iceman: np
[06:29] <Madpilot> iceman: have a look around here: http://www.gnome-look.org/
[06:29] <_nate__> Aegir: yes, but i tend to follow how the theme instructions tell you to install
[06:29] <BR0KEN> gnome icons could look a little more sleek but..ya know..at least they don't look tacky like the plastik look.
[06:29] <Aevum> hello
[06:29] <Aegir> _nate__, Each to his own, but the automated install does the exact same thing.
[06:29] <Aevum> i have a question, i installed ubunto on my machine
[06:29] <carsonc> nich: "stop working" how?  Are you able to log in from GDM at all?
[06:30] <andres_fr> hondje, so how should i make enlightment work?
[06:30] <Aevum> and at no point did it ask me for the root password
[06:30] <Aegir> _nate__, Provided the automated installer works in the first place ;), it can be a bit picky somtimes
[06:30] <Aevum> and now im locked out of my machine basicly, only user account
[06:30] <hondje> andres_fr: I had to download from cvs and compile it all myself
[06:30] <dr_willis> I like the Gartoon Icons :P
[06:30] <Aegir> Aevum, sudp passwd root
[06:30] <Aegir> *sudo
[06:30] <nich> carsonc: I manage to get in GDM
[06:30] <andres_fr> hondje, and it looks like the screenshots?
[06:30] <hondje> not too bad unless you don't have a lot of the -dev apps, then it's a lot of junk
[06:30] <hondje> yeah, it actually does...I even played videos with emotion thing
[06:30] <andres_fr> hondje, for me it boots fine, but i dont see menus or anything
[06:30] <_nate__> Aegir: yeah, but following the directions is usually a good idea
[06:30] <iceman> Madpilot one listed but download link broke
[06:30] <dr_willis> Aevum,  thats how it works.. the first users password is also the roots password.. and you normally DONT login as root.
[06:31] <hybrid> anyone know if there is something like gaim but cli
[06:31] <nich> though if I select a Gnome session it will not work (mouse etal still work, but it won't do anything besides showing me the brown background)
[06:31] <hondje> hybrid: pork, maybe
[06:31] <BR0KEN> the clearlooks controls make the grey look too red.
[06:31] <Aevum> Dr_willis, i know the dangers of using root, but i need to mount my ntfs partition to pick up a couple of things from there, and i need to apply some updates
[06:31] <BR0KEN> so i use mist controls with clearlooks.
[06:32] <glick> how do i convert a xwd data dump into a jpeg?
[06:32] <Aegir> Aevum, Just run sudo passwd root in a console, then enter your normal users pass, then do the whole password/confirm thing. Then you will have a working root password. This will allow you to do things that specifically require a root password. Like the Wine install script. However, using sudo is the best option.
[06:32] <Aevum> so the same password as i set for the first user is also the password for root ?
[06:32] <dr_willis> Aevum,  the Ubuntu way is to "sudo' what you need to do.. not login a root.. or you can always do some other way to get a root shell..
[06:32] <nich> carsonc: when I tried getting in with the failsafe terminal (or whatever it is called there), I tried typing "gnome-session" to see if I could start from there and it failed...
[06:32] <nich> loaded the slash, but no more
[06:32] <Aegir> 'sudo su' is good to get a proper root shell
[06:32] <dr_willis> Aevum,  yes. the faq/wikis cover this.. Some say its over the top paranoia.
[06:32] <dr_willis> sudo xterm :P
[06:33] <nich> sudo bash
[06:33] <_nate__> Aevum: "sudo -s" will give you a root shell
[06:33] <iceman> nice look here .. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16671&file1=16671-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=osx-like
[06:33] <dr_willis> or just sudo passwd - and get it back to the way otehr disrtos do it.
[06:33] <Aegir> I think we buried him with advice :D
[06:33] <Aevum> done, thank you and sorry for bothering you
[06:33] <Madpilot> iceman: is that the one that the d
[06:33] <Aegir> No worries ;)
[06:34] <Madpilot> iceman: gah... meant to say: is that the one the d/l link is broken for?
[06:34] <iceman> no .. thats just a screenshot ..
[06:34] <BR0KEN> wow..the gperfection icon theme is exactly what i was looking for.
[06:34] <BR0KEN> swseeet
[06:34] <carsonc> nich:  I had that problem at one point after X had crashed on me
[06:34] <abisen> how can i play mp3 on my ubuntu
[06:34] <flex_> its a ubuntu linux room
[06:34] <carsonc> nich: But a reboot fixed it, for what it's worth
[06:35] <kikdadog> anybody help..............
[06:35] <flex_> nice
[06:35] <carsonc> nich: Reboot probably wasn't necessary, probably some script in /etc/init.d cleaning up temporary files
[06:35] <penticlex> ahhhhhh.... people
[06:35] <dr_willis> abisen,  the ubuntu wikis tell you detialed info.. or ubuntuguide.org (but use the wikis first)
[06:35] <penticlex> that talk
[06:35] <flex_> this is a nice distro its only one cd
[06:35] <nich> carsonc: I rebooted quite a few times now... no luck yet :/
[06:35] <carsonc> nich: Otherwise you might try removing your ~/.gnome2 and trying to log back in
[06:35] <_nate__> iceman: my upload failed, oops
[06:35] <nich> okie... I'll check that possibility
[06:36] <_nate__> iceman: reuploading
[06:36] <abisen> thanks
[06:36] <iceman> _nate__ lol :) humm ... like is just a screenshot ...
[06:36] <penticlex> so is it better to compile java or to get the packages. if there are any
[06:36] <glick> hey where can i post a desktop screenshot?
[06:37] <kikdadog> k heres the output from gnomebaker      cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[06:37] <kikdadog> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[06:37] <jeff255> penticlex, get the packages!!!
[06:37] <_nate__> glick: www.imageshack.us
[06:37] <kikdadog> any ideas
[06:37] <nich> btw, should SESSION_MANAGER say "local"?
[06:37] <nich> is that right?
[06:37] <_nate__> iceman: its a 25 MB .tar.gz for the mac osx theme
[06:37] <carsonc> nich: that's what mine says
[06:37] <_nate__> iceman: that screenshot link you posted, i think he's using something called baghira
[06:37] <cafuego> _nate__: MacOS X theme?
[06:37] <_nate__> iceman: you should look it up
[06:38] <penticlex> ok I'll try the packages this time so why packages??
[06:38] <_nate__> cafuego: yep
[06:38] <iceman> heres one ... http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19522&file1=19522-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=another+osx-like+desktop
[06:38] <nich> hmkay
[06:38] <hondje> Anyone good with firefox problemos?
[06:38] <_nate__> cafuego: wait until its uploaded, i'll post the link
[06:38] <penticlex> sure but I havent had a problem so far
[06:38] <cafuego> _nate__: Cool, thankyou. Also on behalf of my wife, whose iBook i won't need to steal anymore
[06:39] <_nate__> iceman: look up baghira, thats what that guy's using, i believe
[06:39] <fazer> Hello, anyone here familliar with hdparm?
[06:39] <hondje> letters just get thrown around the page almost randomly, most sites
[06:39] <_nate__> cafuego: lol, you might want to google baghira, its built to make linux look like a mac, even more than the theme
[06:39] <hondje> fazer: Sure, what's up?
[06:39] <Madpilot> another eyecandy question: is there any way to replace the little Gnome foot in the top-left corner with an Ubuntu circle?
[06:40] <iceman> no google or gnomelook hits
[06:40] <kikdadog> come on folks ive been on and off this stinkin channel for 3 days, not one stinkin lick of help
[06:40] <_nate__> iceman: gimme a second
[06:40] <cafuego> _nate__: Hmm, that's KDE though.
[06:40] <kikdadog> unless we talk fonts
[06:40] <_nate__> cafuego: baghira is?
[06:40] <cafuego> kikdadog: Your user account has no permission on the cdrw/dvdrw device. Add yourself to the correct group.
[06:40] <kikdadog> wala
[06:40] <_nate__> cafuego: oopsy :)
[06:40] <cafuego> _nate__: Looks that way, yes.
[06:41] <kikdadog> k how to do it
[06:41] <fazer> hondje: Yeah, I am trying to configure my Lappy with it, still no luck.
[06:41] <_nate__> cafuego: ahhhh
[06:41] <cafuego> kikdadog: ls -l /dev/hdX (whtever device the burner is) and 'adduser <user> <group>'
[06:41] <hondje> fazer: in what, /etc/hdparm.conf?
[06:41] <cafuego> _nate__: Pretty, though.
[06:41] <kikdadog> god bless you
[06:42] <cafuego> kikdadog: I can't bless myself, it's not right.
[06:42] <kikdadog> :)
[06:42] <cafuego> kikdadog: After adding yourself to that group, you must logout and log back in.
[06:42] <kikdadog> k
[06:42] <fazer> hondje: oh no, just simply issuing the commands and then typing the -tT parameter to see of any changes.
[06:42] <hondje> oh, okay...so where are you getting stuck, fazer ?
[06:43] <fazer> hondje: Well, I am not being able to increase the speed basically.
[06:43] <cafuego> fazer: 'hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hdX'
[06:43] <fazer> hondje: I have 160 MB of RAM currently and got a bigger (newer) hard dist.
[06:43] <cafuego> fazer: Does that print any errors?
[06:43] <desrt> bye bye breezy
[06:43] <fazer> cafuego: trying i tnow.
[06:43] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[06:43] <desrt> cafuego; hello.
[06:43] <transgress> okay umm my gnome just died
[06:43] <cafuego> _nate__: yeah
[06:43] <fazer> cafuego: no errors that I can see.
[06:43] <hondje> fazer: as long as you did the obvious stuff, like -d1 -c3 and -mX, where X is the right number, that's all you can get
[06:44] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: looks like baghira is only for kde, oops :)
[06:44] <transgress> i booted my laptop, and gnome won't boot
[06:44] <hondje> On my primary hdd, I only get like 2% on avg gain
[06:44] <transgress> i log in through gdm, and it just sits there like it is waiting to start gnome... failsafe gnome doesn't work either
[06:44] <cafuego> fazer: Ok, then DMA is now enabled. What speed does 'hdparm -t' report?
[06:44] <Aevum> thats nice, i cant mount an NTFS partition now
[06:44] <fazer> cafuego: I believe Linux already enables DMA upon installation or atlest upon reboot.
[06:44] <transgress> anyone have some suggestions?
[06:44] <fazer> hondje: do you know where I can figure out which values I need to give hdparm?
[06:45] <fazer> cafuego: Timing buffered disk reads:   34 MB in  3.04 seconds =  11.19 MB/sec
[06:45] <hondje> fazer: There really aren't a whole lot... hdparm -i /dev/hdX will give you the correct value for c, d and m...the rest don't do much on their own
[06:45] <cafuego> fazer: Then you _really_ don't want to dig around with hdparm, you're more likely to destroy the disk than to gain speed.
[06:45] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: http://xpedition.mine.nu/linux/macosx.tar.gz
[06:45] <iceman> where to import hte png files to ..
[06:45] <_nate__> there ya go :)
[06:46] <cafuego> _nate__: Downlaoding, cheers :-)
[06:46] <ice_1963> i love ubuntu i have ben installing software all day and playing whith it :o)
[06:46] <fazer> cafuego: oh, that is never good.
[06:46] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: also, to get mac osx look and feel: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19714&forummode=2&forumpage=1&forumexplevel=2
[06:46] <transgress> hey would anyone care to send me a message on aim to see if i receive it?
[06:46] <cafuego> fazer: What speed does it report at the moment?
[06:46] <transgress> my sn is effofffcc
[06:47] <fazer> cafuego: for buffered dis reads?
[06:47] <fazer> Timing buffered disk reads:   34 MB in  3.04 seconds =  11.19 MB/sec
[06:47] <iceman> _nate__ how to save the file ?
[06:48] <iceman> _nate__ now how to install
[06:49] <_nate__> iceman: extract it then follow the readme file
[06:50] <glick> hey whats the dos command to up all your net interfaces?
[06:50] <radix> is there some fancy GUI tool in the default desktop stuff that lets me mount the NTFS filesystem on my harddrive?
[06:51] <radix> the panel applet "disk mounter" is only showing floppy and cdrom
[06:51] <glick> hey whatchu think of my desktop
[06:51] <glick> http://img261.echo.cx/my.php?image=screen4en.jpg
[06:52] <transgress> okay so doesn't anyone have some suggestions for me to get gnome to start up again?  it hangs before the point where the music would play and stuff would show up
[06:52] <_nate__> transgress: check dmesg and look for errors
[06:52] <erm13> Ok I definitly have a problem
[06:53] <_nate__> glick: pretty, is that enlightenment?
[06:53] <glick> _nate__, xfce4
[06:53] <iceman> _nate__ cant find fdm folder ?
[06:53] <_nate__> glick: no kiddin?
[06:53] <_nate__> iceman: its actually gdm, they made a typo
[06:53] <erm13> I somehow removed myslef from the sudoer group
[06:53] <andres_fr> glick, cluttered for me
[06:53] <_nate__> glick: i need to try that, thats pretty.
[06:53] <erm13> and the root account wasnt enabled
[06:53] <erm13> so I can use synaptic or anything
[06:53] <glick> andres_fr, yeah i use multi virtual desktops
[06:54] <penticlex> downloading java packages now. yay
[06:54] <erm13> cant*
[06:54] <glick> but i wanted people to see what the theme looke on all my stuff
[06:54] <_nate__> erm13: hosed, i think
[06:54] <erm13> lol me too
[06:54] <_nate__> glick: ever try enlightenment?
[06:54] <erm13> enlightenment is pretty nice
[06:54] <transgress> _nate__: nothing
[06:54] <glick> _nate__, yeah a long time ago
[06:54] <_nate__> what wm does everyone use?  And why? (besides basic metacity)
[06:55] <transgress> and failsafe gnome doesn't even work
[06:55] <_nate__> transgress: what did you do just prior to it getting totally messed up?
[06:55] <penticlex> this package manager actually works. its so cool!!!!  I am used to installing every thing by compiling them.
[06:55] <_nate__> penticlex: welcome to modern linux :)
[06:55] <transgress> _nate__: umm iuno... i talked on aim last night, and that was about it.  then i booted it up today and it was like "NO!"
[06:56] <iceman> _nate__ do you have to create the folder gtk+metacity ?
[06:56] <transgress> except it was a silent no... no errors or anything... just hangs
[06:56] <penticlex> I feal dirty you said AIM....
[06:56] <ice_1963> freeBsd
[06:56] <penticlex> ARGGGGG I said it!!!!1
[06:56] <_nate__> iceman: let me check, i'll give you the commands
[06:56] <erm13> exit
[06:56] <transgress> penticlex: i loathe it, but it's the only messenger my girl uses
[06:57] <transgress> something goofy is going on though... because it is taking xfce4 about 5+ minutes to open a terminal
[06:57] <penticlex> I was just giving you a hard time I have to use it cause my grandma.. :(
[06:57] <transgress> but other stuff is running fine
[06:57] <penticlex> thats all she knows
[06:58] <imaek> Is there any way that I could get an image for a movie (A poster, dvd box, etc) that would not be infringing copyright stuff?
[06:58] <penticlex> wow and its so fast
[06:58] <transgress> i try to stick with jabber
[06:58] <penticlex> it already done
[06:58] <cafuego> imaek: Buy it.
[06:58] <imaek> Erm.
[06:58] <imaek> What if I have it?
[06:58] <penticlex> brb have to reboot
[06:59] <ice_1963> wheeeeeee
[06:59] <hondje> Any of you fine gentlemen use firefox and korean on your desktop and have massively bad rendering from firefox?
[07:00] <cafuego> No, my main problem with korean is that I can't read or understand it either way.
[07:00] <hondje> Yeah, I share that problem
[07:01] <hondje> But then certain family members get all 'hey, I want to see that thar internet'....
[07:01] <fazer> cafuego: how do I select a higher UDMA mode?
[07:01] <fazer> I can't seem to understand that from the man page
[07:02] <don-o> how do i select gcc 4.0 as the default c compiler?
[07:03] <penticlex> still have to link it in java I see.
[07:04] <penticlex> to firefox
[07:05] <penticlex> its still faster
[07:05] <penticlex> wow every one leaving
[07:06] <_nate__> server split
[07:06] <_nate__> i think
[07:06] <_nate__> or not
[07:06] <Madpilot> just a little one, though...
[07:06] <_nate__> not enough left
[07:07] <squareyes> how many do you need ? :-)
[07:07] <Madpilot> so, does anyone know where Gnome keeps it's default desktop images? I'd like to give the foot the boot... :)
[07:09] <fazer> What is the point of /etc/rc*.d/* directories?
[07:09] <fazer> and how would I go about making one?
[07:09] <glick> xfce4 rox!
[07:11] <goldfish> fazer: they are to do with runlevels
[07:11] <goldfish> and startup scripts
[07:12] <penticlex> where is java installed w/ the packages??????
[07:12] <penticlex> not in user/java like I htaught
[07:12] <goldfish> penticlex: where did u download the .bin file to ?
[07:12] <BR0KEN> how do i choose a different splash image in gconf editor?
[07:13] <_nate__> glick: do i need to install xfce or xfce4?
[07:13] <penticlex> not bin file installed package
[07:14] <goldfish> i see
[07:14] <goldfish> _nate__: xfce4
[07:14] <shanon> fazer: You wouldn't "make" a rc*.d directory but you can add scripts to them that will stop or start something when linux moves into that runlevel
[07:14] <BR0KEN> anyone know about splash screen?
[07:14] <BR0KEN> the directions for it at gnomelook aren't very specific
[07:14] <glick> nate xfce4
[07:14] <BR0KEN> gperfection is the sweetest icon theme ever.
[07:14] <goldfish> penticlex: 'locate java' maybe....
[07:14] <glick> _nate__, xfce4
[07:14] <penticlex> w/ synaptic was trying the package on this install
[07:15] <penticlex> I think I found it in user/lib/java
[07:15] <andres_fr> what can i make to make skype look a bit better in gnome
[07:15] <phxguy> jbailey you here???
[07:15] <andres_fr> why isnt' it themed?
[07:16] <fazer> shanon: ah I see, I think I am happy with some of my hdparm settings , how do I make it so that those settings are set when I boot up?
[07:16] <hondje> fazer: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:16] <shanon> fazer: There is a special file for that
[07:16] <shanon> fazer: As hondje said
[07:17] <fazer> Aah, thank you!
[07:18] <squareyes> is it possible to have gkrellm open auto when I pon for my dial up??
[07:18] <penticlex> I dont see libjavaplugin?????????????????
[07:18] <hondje> That's a lot of ?'s
[07:19] <terasurfer> Well it was a pretty big question...i think
[07:19] <_nate__> how do i select xfce?
[07:19] <penticlex> not sure if I missed the main package
[07:20] <penticlex> i would feel dumb
[07:20] <terasurfer> penticlex: what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:20] <_nate__> anyone?
[07:20] <_nate__> no one?
[07:20] <fazer> shanon: like, if I typed the following in the command-line:  hdparm -X66 -d1 -u1 -m16 -c3 -i -v  /dev/hda, can I just type the same line in hdparm.conf?
[07:21] <terasurfer> fazer: no
[07:21] <uc50_ic4more> nate - FWIW - i believe it is xfce4
[07:21] <hondje> _nate__: to install it, just apt-get install xfce4
[07:21] <_nate__> its installed, how do i select it?
[07:21] <fazer> terasurfer: oh...what would be the correct method?
[07:21] <hondje> under session in gdm
[07:21] <penticlex> trying to install the package for java
[07:21] <penticlex> feeling dumb
[07:21] <_nate__> hondje: ummm, how?
[07:21] <terasurfer> i don't know the exact syntax for your args, but here's an entry in mine as an example:
[07:21] <_nate__> hondje: oh, right, nvm,
[07:21] <hondje> :)
[07:21] <Stalagna> Anyone have an really good sites for tutorials?
[07:21] <terasurfer> /dev/hdc {
[07:21] <terasurfer>         write_cache = on
[07:21] <terasurfer>         dma = on
[07:21] <terasurfer>         transfer_mode = 68
[07:21] <terasurfer>         interrupt_unmask = on
[07:22] <terasurfer>         io32_support = 3
[07:22] <terasurfer> }
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: click
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: Wiki
[07:22] <fazer> terasurfer: oh, I see, thanks.
[07:22] <Stalagna> thanks
[07:22] <terasurfer> np
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: np
[07:23] <fazer> terasurfer: Hmm, I was wondering that because one of the default commented values had hdparm as the command.
[07:23] <uc50_ic4more> or more accurately, humbly submitted:
[07:23] <uc50_ic4more> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/
[07:23] <penticlex> i think its from talking to stupid people all day dropped my IQ below 10
[07:23] <transgress_> ah to have gnome back
[07:23] <transgress_> it is nice
[07:23] <transgress_> lost all my preferences though
[07:23] <fazer> terasurfer: I think it was in the command_line {} statement
[07:23] <rj`> is there a decent video mplayer for linux with a gtk interface that supports queuing videos.
[07:23] <fazer> so, wait, I can turn on dma on cdroms as well?
[07:24] <terasurfer> yes
[07:24] <fazer> terasurfer: oh, neat.
[07:24] <fazer> hm, neat  I am going to reboot and see if it worked.
[07:24] <terasurfer> rj: have you tried VLC?
[07:24] <fazer> later.
[07:24] <terasurfer> cya
[07:25] <terasurfer> gl
[07:25] <shanon> fazer: sudo cat /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[07:25] <fazer> thanks
[07:25] <rj`> terasurfer: thought about it -- im in breezy atm and it's a broken package
[07:25] <fazer> shanon: What woul that show me?
[07:25] <shanon> fazer: Assuming hdc is your cdrom
[07:25] <fazer> shanon: Oh
[07:25] <shanon> fazer: all the current settings for your cdrom and what they can be set to
[07:25] <uc50_ic4more> does anyone know when we expect a Flash plugin for x64?
[07:25] <Cy|Hyper> Hello
[07:26] <Cy|Hyper> I just installed Ubuntu today
[07:26] <uc50_ic4more> also (this is my fist day w/ ubuntu) how does one install WINE?
[07:26] <fazer> shanon: ooh, yeah, the value for using_mda is 0 and the max is 1.
[07:26] <_nate__> uc50_ic4more: very carefully
[07:26] <Cy|Hyper> I am having problems with WEP and wireless networking
[07:26] <uc50_ic4more> that was given, _nate__! :)
[07:26] <glick> _nate__, in the termnal do sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:26] <terasurfer> uc50: sudo apt-get wine
[07:27] <terasurfer> err apt-get install
[07:27] <_nate__> Cy|Hyper: Yeah, i tried using gnome's tools for configuring my wireless and it hosed it
[07:27] <_nate__> glick: i already have it :)
[07:27] <Cy|Hyper> Nate, how do I solve the problem?
[07:27] <hondje> geezo, there should be a package that has some less-dumb default for scim to add other input methods
[07:27] <fazer> shanon: i will brb
[07:27] <glick> i tried ubuntu but i had to switch back to debian
[07:28] <glick> ubuntu was a little too unstable for me
[07:28] <uc50_ic4more> terasurfer - forgive my ignorance, but apt-et installs and configures all of the dependcies? from source? i am coming from FreeBSD and the ports....
[07:28] <_nate__> Cy|Hyper: I dunno, I had to reinstall aroudn then anyways, so it works for me now
[07:28] <Cy|Hyper> Grr
[07:28] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: it does 99% of the work for you
[07:28] <terasurfer> uc50: it will install and configure binaries
[07:28] <andres_fr> glick, unstable? really?
[07:28] <_nate__> glick: wow, ubuntu has been more stable for me than any distro i've tried
[07:28] <hondje> Sometimes it wants your opinion w/ 2 or 3 choices
[07:28] <Cy|Hyper> Because I've tried about 19 things I have found about it
[07:28] <Cy|Hyper> And no luck
[07:29] <glick> andres_fr, yeah alot of weird things happened
[07:29] <_nate__> Cy|Hyper: Wish I could help
[07:29] <glick> some how at random times my dns would break
[07:29] <uc50_ic4more> hondje, terasurfer - thanks!
[07:29] <glick> when i compiled a custom kernel
[07:29] <hondje> Not enough to make me bail back to debian, but some are really irksome
[07:29] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: no problem
[07:29] <glick> the init scripts would no longer bring up my interface
[07:29] <glick> and a coupla of other things
[07:30] <glick> but those where the main things
[07:30] <terasurfer> glick: perhaps you forgot to compile in support for some devices used by those scripts
[07:30] <glick> terasurfer, nah that kernel works perfectly for me on debian
[07:30] <andres_fr> glick, 4 weeks up downloading at 250kb/s with azureus, PIV 1.7 with 128!!!Mb ram, now i have 4 4gb torrents open and a hell lot of smaller ones, and i can still use the pc
[07:30] <Cy|Hyper> Hmmm, found something
[07:30] <Cy|Hyper> I'll BRB
[07:30] <hondje> Half the time I reboot, I have to rerun the nvidia install script before gdm will run
[07:30] <r0d> totem cant play audio, or movies. how do i fix?
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> tersaurfer, hondje? perhaps i cam out of the loop on a x64? i get the following error when i apt-get install wine:
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> Reading package lists... Done
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> is only available from another source
[07:30] <glick> andres_fr, yeah but on the surface its stable but once you start doing non-common stuff
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[07:30] <glick> like compiling kernels
[07:31] <andres_fr> r0d, use xine, or get libmad and the gstreamer plguins
[07:31] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: that means you didn't pick the right name
[07:31] <andres_fr> glick, got it
[07:31] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: like wine vs wine-2.4 or something
[07:31] <andres_fr> or wine*
[07:31] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: apt-cache search <keyword> is what I'd use
[07:31] <glick> i had to use a custom kernel to support my external firewire drive cause non of the stock kernels supported it properly cause it has a non standard controller chip so it kept b0rking in large data transfers and freezing the sytem
[07:32] <uc50_ic4more> crap... ok - thank you - i will ascertain the latest stable release with the search function
[07:32] <glick> so i had my custum kernel which fixed the issue
[07:32] <andres_fr> glick, talking about that, is there a way to make my 1.1 usb drive to work?
[07:32] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: do you have universe in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:32] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: That's hwere I have it, apt-get install wine would have worked for me
[07:32] <glick> andres_fr, whats not working on it?
[07:33] <andres_fr> glick, all of it :p
[07:33] <andres_fr> doesnt mount or anything
[07:33] <terasurfer> glick: is it possible that you selected some components with different combinations of built in/modules compared to what the inits were expecting?
[07:33] <glick> how do you mount it?
[07:33] <uc50_ic4more> not at the moment, i do not, but i could... i just would not have thunk that WINE would be there... mind u, i only read over how the packages are arranged very quickly....
[07:33] <andres_fr> i dont know how to
[07:33] <andres_fr> glick, it just says (dmesg | tail) new full speed usb device on.....
[07:33] <glick> terasurfer, perhapse but the scripts should be more generic and test for these conditions
[07:33] <andres_fr> and nothing more
[07:33] <glick> andreas mesg me
[07:33] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: yeah, same here...I ended up just adding multiverse, universe and restricted to save some hastle :)
[07:34] <uc50_ic4more> will do
[07:34] <BR0KEN> what is "ximian desktop" powered by ubuntu?
[07:35] <BR0KEN> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18179&file1=18179-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Pixel+Girl
[07:35] <BR0KEN> oh hell yes
[07:35] <hondje> Nice
[07:35] <radix> :P
[07:36] <andres_fr> very nice
[07:36] <BR0KEN> :)
[07:36] <Aegir> Hahah
[07:36] <Aegir> Nice
[07:36] <BR0KEN> but i don't understand the ximian/ubuntu thing. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24143
[07:36] <BR0KEN> what do the two have to do with each other.
[07:36] <hondje> nothing afaik
[07:37] <Aegir> Ahh, thats the style of login/bootscreen that Ximian came up with. NLD and SuSE use it now (Which Ximian have a large role in)
[07:37] <jiyuu0> Fresh from oven...
[07:37] <Aegir> Ximian make nice stuff
[07:37] <jiyuu0> New Release: UbuntuGuide Add-On-CD (27th May 2005)
[07:37] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[07:37] <jiyuu0> Changes:
[07:37] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=191197&postcount=46
[07:37] <transgress_> where do gdm themes go again?
[07:38] <Aegir> Dunno
[07:38] <Aegir> Ill find out shortly
[07:38] <hondje> system -> admin -> login
[07:38] <andres_fr> transgress, just select install theme?
[07:38] <hondje> then graphical greeter tab, and install new theme
[07:38] <Aegir> Yeap
[07:38] <Aegir> Thats it
[07:39] <Aegir> Now, to start Xnest and see it in action...
[07:39] <Enkidu> I'm getting an error when booting from a kernel i just made: <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[07:39] <Aegir> Ahh hondje, what would we do without you? ;)
[07:40] <Aegir> (You were typing that out just as I was clicking through the login screen setup, nice timing ;) )
[07:40] <hondje> Probably go find another troll in #debian :)
[07:40] <BR0KEN> at the rate ubuntu is going, it is going to rival windows in no time in terms of a desktop OS that Joe Blow can operate.
[07:40] <BR0KEN> i'm blown away by ubuntu.
[07:40] <Cy|Hyper> Ubuntu is awesome
[07:40] <BR0KEN> i think it should use the gperfection icon theme by default though.
[07:40] <Cy|Hyper> Except for the WEP
[07:40] <hondje> I dunno, people cry a lot about having to rtfm to install java....
[07:40] <Cy|Hyper> I need help with WEP
[07:40] <BR0KEN> i'm just saying, it's getting there.
[07:40] <uc50_ic4more> haha - Cy|Hyper - no one did end up answering your query about WEP eh?
[07:41] <Cy|Hyper> I'm looking all over the place, but I can't find anything
[07:41] <Cy|Hyper> Nope
[07:41] <BR0KEN> ubuntu has come out of nowhere to destroy all other competitors in its class.
[07:41] <Cy|Hyper> Not even Google
[07:41] <Enkidu> Does anyone know what causes that error? I'm having so much trouble doing such a simple thing as compiling a new kernel...at least it should be easier than ubuntu is making it
[07:41] <BR0KEN> nothing even comparies.
[07:41] <BR0KEN> compares
[07:41] <yahalom> anyone know how i skins to beep media player?
[07:41] <hondje> well, I wouldn't say it's destroying competition, SuSE's latest is hella nice on laptops, blew me away
[07:42] <sonet11> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:42] <hondje> But it is a great desktop OS, my gripes are few and far between
[07:42] <uc50_ic4more> your router does not support WPA? what specifically is your issue?
[07:45] <yahalom> hondje, suse not free anymore at all?
[07:45] <hondje> yahalom: No, it's not
[07:45] <yahalom> hondje, that sux
[07:46] <hondje> It does, though I'm quite happy to pay money for something I want/need
[07:46] <yahalom> hondje, well if it works
[07:46] <Cy|Hyper> uc50, asking me?
[07:46] <yahalom> hondje, other os charge u money and they dont work :)
[07:46] <Cy|Hyper> It's set to WEP
[07:47] <Cy|Hyper> And it screws everything up to go to something else
[07:47] <hondje> :)
[07:47] <BR0KEN> SOMEOne has got to come up with a way to do multi-user logins like winXP and OSX in Ubuntu.
[07:47] <bob2> it's trivial
[07:47] <BR0KEN> the average user, including me, thinks it is ridiculous to have to choose "new login".
[07:47] <bob2> and already done
[07:47] <BR0KEN> it's done?
[07:47] <Cy|Hyper> Yeah
[07:47] <BR0KEN> how?
[07:47] <Cy|Hyper> It is
[07:47] <bob2> gdmflexiserver does that
[07:48] <bob2> there's just no useful UI for it
[07:48] <yahalom> bob2, any point in getting it?
[07:48] <toxicfum1> can someone please help me with my display problems with ubuntu on my laptop?
[07:48] <BR0KEN> bob2 but how can i set the gdm to spawn the new login on a different xserver, as well as make sure that when the screen goes to screen saver, it reverts to gdm?
[07:48] <Cy|Hyper> ANyway, I need the WEP solved
[07:48] <bob2> BR0KEN: I don't know
[07:48] <BR0KEN> bob2  can i, right now, implement this or not?
[07:48] <bob2> as I said, it's possible, but there's no ui for it
[07:48] <bob2> BR0KEN: of course
[07:48] <yahalom> toxicfume, whats the prob?
[07:48] <Enkidu> is there a channel speciffically for kernel questions?
[07:48] <hondje> That fast user switching app is pretty nice, I just built it tonight
[07:49] <hondje> convenient for me :)
[07:49] <BR0KEN> hondje what?
[07:49] <bob2> Enkidu: if you're not a developer, here is the right channel
[07:49] <BR0KEN> hodgman you are being funny right?
[07:49] <hondje> No, I'm not
[07:49] <Enkidu> bob2, either noone saw my question or noone knows how to answer it tho
[07:49] <BR0KEN> bob2 could there be any consideration to using gperfection icon theme in ubuntu soon?
[07:49] <toxicfume> yahalom: well X server would just not display..i tried following this guide: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto and een after that..at start up, X server says it couldn't load X properly ..and shows me the log, thats it
[07:49] <BR0KEN> it's dramatically better than the current gnome icon theme.
[07:49] <hondje> It's quite nice, I was thinking about rolling up a package for it
[07:50] <cyphase> Looking for a good name for an IM client. Anyone have any suggestions?
[07:50] <BR0KEN> hondje you wrote an app to do this?
[07:50] <BR0KEN> gaim
[07:50] <Cy|Hyper> I'm actually amazed how easy Ubuntu in general is
[07:50] <BR0KEN> cyphase gaim gaim gaim
[07:50] <hondje> BR0KEN: No, not at all
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume, show me ur log. ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:50] <cyphase> lol
[07:50] <BR0KEN> cyphase and get off-the-record encryption plugin.
[07:50] <cyphase> BROKEN, a ned name
[07:50] <Cy|Hyper> Apache2 installed with incredible ease
[07:50] <cyphase> new*
[07:50] <toxicfume> yahalom: but how do i paste thelog when i can't get into X? :S
[07:50] <hondje> BR0KEN: http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[07:50] <bob2> BR0KEN: "dramatically better" is of course subjective.  it could be proposed if it's Free and everything
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume, oh junk
[07:50] <cyphase> BROKEN, i use Gaim, but i need a name for a new client
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume sry
[07:50] <imaek> How can I connect my iPod if there isn't a /dev/sdc2
[07:50] <hondje> I just want to see /dev/shm mounted noexec
[07:50] <imaek> ?
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume, did u read the log?
[07:50] <toxicfume> yahalom: hehe, np
[07:51] <BR0KEN> i think the algorithms hardwired into the average human brain would, in most cases cause just about anyone to think gperfection looks better.
[07:51] <BR0KEN> it's way more slick.
[07:51] <toxicfume> yahalom: yes i read..and there are warnings about folders not existing i think
[07:51] <Cy|Hyper> I have other problems, too, but I'll ask when I'm on my regular PC
[07:51] <bob2> BR0KEN: screenshot url?
[07:51] <yahalom> toxicfume, did u do a server install?
[07:51] <toxicfume> yahalom: should i type out the warning lines? I could do that
[07:51] <toxicfume> yahalom: no
[07:51] <BR0KEN> bob2 one sec
[07:51] <bob2> Enkidu: you get that error using the default kernel?
[07:51] <yahalom> toxicfume, one sec
[07:52] <toxicfume> yahalom: alright
[07:52] <BR0KEN> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=120 <-- bob2 second highest rated.
[07:52] <imaek> How can I get my iPod to work with gtkpod when there isn't a /dev/sdc2 ?
[07:52] <yahalom> toxicfume, query me with the lines
[07:52] <Cy|Hyper> BRB
[07:52] <Enkidu> bob2, no i get that using a kernel that i built with the default options...straight from the kernel that comes with ubuntu
[07:52] <toxicfume> yahalom: okay, let me boot my laptop into ubuntuand read them
[07:52] <bob2> Enkidu: so, the default kernel works fine?
[07:52] <yahalom> toxicfume, ok
[07:52] <BR0KEN> bob2 notice how it doesn't look all shiny like plastik, but still looks more modern?
[07:53] <Stalagna> hey? every time I try and run openoffice, it locks up
[07:53] <Enkidu> bob2, it boots and will run gnome, but not everything works
[07:53] <bob2> Enkidu: e.g.?
[07:53] <Enkidu> bob2, my speakers only click when they should play a sound
[07:53] <Stalagna> it opens up with the first screen with the loading bar, and once the bar reaches 100% it stops, and freezes?
[07:53] <andres_fr> Stalagna, try opening a file directly
[07:54] <imaek> How can I get my iPod to work with gtkpod when it isn't sensing the iPod? The tutorial says use dmesg, but I don't know what to do with the output ?
[07:54] <bob2> Enkidu: how would recompiling help that?
[07:54] <Stalagna> i don't have any files to open yet
[07:54] <andres_fr> Stalagna, any doc wil work
[07:54] <Enkidu> bob2, i dont know, i was going to get rid of all the sound drivers that werent for my card and see if there was some kind of conflict
[07:54] <bob2> Enkidu: no, it doesn't work like that
[07:54] <Madpilot> Stalagna: OpenOffice will open MS formats (.doc, etc) if you've got one of them around...
[07:55] <BR0KEN> bob2 what do you think?
[07:55] <Enkidu> bob2, well i've tried everything else imaginable
[07:55] <Stalagna> yeah think so, one sec
[07:55] <yahalom> anyone here managed to get a boot screen? i'm having issues installing it
[07:55] <terasurfer> imaek: try typing tail -f /var/log/messages and then connect your ipod
[07:55] <bob2> BR0KEN: the folder icon is a bit lame
[07:55] <bob2> BR0KEN: very gnome 1.4-y
[07:55] <BR0KEN> lemme look
[07:55] <bob2> yahalom: when installing ubuntu?
[07:55] <bob2> Enkidu: is it using the right module for your card?
[07:56] <BR0KEN> bob2 what on earth are you talking about?!  it's the SAME FOLDER icon as in gnome currently, just slicker around the edges.
[07:56] <yahalom> bob2, no.
[07:56] <bob2> BR0KEN: meh, I think the current icon theme in gnome isn't all that hot either
[07:56] <Enkidu> bob2, in the speaker icon it says it is; at least it says Yamaha DS-XG (YMF744) and mines a 744B
[07:56] <Stalagna> well, it opens up to a grey empty screen
[07:56] <bob2> Enkidu: ignore that
[07:56] <bob2> Enkidu: what module should it be using?
[07:56] <yahalom> bob2, one that will be in silent mode everyime, just showing a progress bar
[07:57] <imaek> Does anybody know what it means when your iPod has a little cd with a magnifying glass going over it and a small very slow-moving progress bar?
[07:57] <bob2> (you should know that if you're trying to build a kernel)
[07:57] <bob2> yahalom: aka usplash, aka being worked on
[07:57] <terasurfer> imaek: where are you 'seeing' your ipod?
[07:57] <terasurfer> or is this on the ipod display?
[07:57] <imaek> I mean, on the screen of the physical iPod.
[07:57] <Enkidu> bob2, umm the module is called snd-ymfpci
[07:58] <BR0KEN> bob2 well, gperfection is like gnome but way more modern looking.  i challenge you to find a theme with a better looking directory icon.
[07:58] <pinPoint> can anyone help me with snmpd
[07:58] <pinPoint> trying to run it with mrtg but getting an error
[07:58] <bob2> Enkidu: and is that loaded? (lsmod | grep ymfpci).
[07:58] <terasurfer> imaek: i am not sure, but it might be reading the disk contents...due to lack of an iTunes database
[07:58] <bob2> pinPoint: which howto are you following?
[07:58] <BR0KEN> hondje dude, does that applet you showed me act functionally equivalent to the winxp behavior?  when screensaver comes on, does it go back to the gdm?
[07:58] <yahalom> bob2, ah so its being planned for breezy?
[07:58] <hondje> BR0KEN: I dunno anything about winxp
[07:58] <BR0KEN> hondje jesus christ man
[07:58] <Enkidu> bob2, yes
[07:58] <imaek> terasurfer: O...kay.  It's been doing it for like 5 minutes now and it looks to be only 25-30% done. :(
[07:59] <dr_willis> ewww i hate that lame 'feature of' xp
[07:59] <BR0KEN> hondje when the screensaver comes on, does that applet make it go back to the gdm?
[07:59] <hondje> But I click on the other user, and it brings me to their locked xscreensaver, then I put in passwd and I'm in
[07:59] <terasurfer> imaek: is there a lot of data on the ipod?
[07:59] <BR0KEN> dr_willis how could you possibly improve that feature?
[07:59] <dr_willis> you can make the screensavber ask for a password - to get back on.
[07:59] <BR0KEN> dr_willis OSX also does that.
[07:59] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  i tend to DISABLE it.
[07:59] <bob2> yahalom: think so
[07:59] <imaek> terasurfer: it's a 20gb, and I think I only have like 5-6gb filled.
[07:59] <Cy|Hyper> Gah crap
[07:59] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  thats better for me.
[07:59] <imaek> Oh, wait. terasurfer: http://www.ipodlounge.com/index.php/faqs/answers/what-do-i-do-when-i-turn-on-my-ipod-and-i-see-a-disc-icon-looks-like-a-cd-w/
[07:59] <BR0KEN> dr_willis if someone comes to the computer and the screensaver is on, how is he supposed to log in?!
[07:59] <Cy|Hyper> Looks like my network card can't even detect the router
[07:59] <i3dmaster> how to disable my speaker beep in the console mode?
[08:00] <Cy|Hyper> iwlist wlan0 scan
[08:00] <imaek> It would be nice if they had it say "NOW SCANNING FOR DISK ERRORS" or something.
[08:00] <andres_fr> Cy|Hyper, wjat car u got?
[08:00] <terasurfer> imaek: what other OS have you connected the ipod to?
[08:00] <hondje> BR0KEN: It's not flawless, but it lets me switch to another user in a more convenient manner, which is a boon to me
[08:00] <imaek> I had it connected to my father's Mac (os 10.4).
[08:00] <bob2> Enkidu: so, that's right then.  nothing odd in dmesg?
[08:00] <Stalagna> ?? So open office will not open up, I tried opening and individual document and it opens up, but the screen is just a blank gray screen
[08:00] <BR0KEN> hondje i'm waiting for a real fix.
[08:01] <BR0KEN> dr_willis please tell me what solution you've devised that is bette than the XP/OSX system.
[08:01] <hondje> The only other solution I see is like OS X does
[08:01] <Enkidu> bob2, leme check that
[08:01] <andres_fr> Stalagna, reboot?
[08:01] <BR0KEN> hondje isn't that exactly like how XP does it?
[08:01] <pinPoint> bob2, i have a few i salvaged on google
[08:01] <hondje> Which is just seeeexy, if a little flashy
[08:01] <Cy|Hyper> Hm
[08:01] <hondje> BR0KEN: I don't know how XP does it
[08:01] <pinPoint> bob2, thats about it
[08:01] <bob2> pinPoint: do you know about SNMP in general?
[08:01] <cafuego> grrrtttvvvrrrr
[08:01] <BR0KEN> hondje in OSX, doesn't it return to the login if a user is logged in and his screensaver comes up and then there is input?
[08:01] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  better is relative.. that feature is totally useless for my needs.
[08:01] <Cy|Hyper> Can anyone help me?
[08:01] <hondje> I haven't used windows for more than 20 minutes at a time in close to 5 years
[08:01] <Cy|Hyper> Maybe in query?
[08:01] <bob2> pinPoint: also, do you care if you use mrtg, or are you just trying to get pretty bandwidth graphs?
[08:01] <cafuego> BR0KEN: Nope.
[08:01] <BR0KEN> hondje don't you ever leave your house?
[08:01] <terasurfer> imaek: have you tried transferring data to the ipod in linux?
[08:01] <pinPoint> bob2, http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2670531
[08:01] <BR0KEN> cafuego how in the hell does it work then?
[08:01] <imaek> No, not yet terasurfer.
[08:01] <hondje> Yes, but I don't need windows :-)
[08:02] <cafuego> BR0KEN: if the screensaver is interrupted, the desktop comes back.
[08:02] <BR0KEN> hondje you're never at a friend's house checking your email?
[08:02] <pinPoint> bob2, i want it to draw those graphs for me
[08:02] <hondje> OS X just asks for a passwd, then it changes user
[08:02] <pinPoint> or anything else
[08:02] <cafuego> BR0KEN: it only re-prompts when you do a user switch
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego what if you have it on lock?
[08:02] <Stalagna> Andres_fr: Ok about 5 min later openoffice just loaded, any suggestions on why the long delay?
[08:02] <hondje> BR0KEN: hence 'more than 20 minutes'
[08:02] <bob2> pinPoint: but you don't care what tool you use?
[08:02] <terasurfer> imaek: just a word of caution...when i tried to transfer to my ipod (hfs file system) using gtkpod, it trashed the file system
[08:02] <andres_fr> Stalagna,
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego you mean you can't set your screensaver to lock?
[08:02] <andres_fr> Stalagna, happened for me
[08:02] <andres_fr> didnt happen ever again
[08:02] <cafuego> BR0KEN: I expect you can, I just don't.
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego that's insecure.
[08:02] <pinPoint> bob2, well i was wishing to use mrtg. :) this is the error.  http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2670531
[08:02] <pinPoint> oops
[08:02] <imaek> terasurfer: I don't really worry about the files on the iPod... as long as it doesn't perminately ruin the actual iPod.
[08:02] <pinPoint> damn damn
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego was that how it was by default? that's fucking stupid if so.
[08:02] <pinPoint> damn freenode chan
[08:03] <hondje> I only screenlock so my daughter doesn't jack everything up
[08:03] <cafuego> BR0KEN: Why? Nobody is going to break into my house and hack the screensaver.
[08:03] <hondje> I'm not too worried aobut security in my house
[08:03] <pinPoint> bob2, :: env LANG=C /usr/bin/mrtg
[08:03] <terasurfer> imaek: nah the hardware was fine, but i had to do a complete reset and transfer all files over again
[08:03] <Stalagna> andres_fr: I just closed it and opened it again, still waiting on it to open up.....
[08:03] <andres_fr> Stalagna, don't know what to tell
[08:03] <andres_fr> maybe get openoffice2
[08:03] <Hajuu> Hey
[08:03] <imaek> terasurfer: That doesn't bother me.  9/10 of it is stuff my dad wanted to give me; the only stuff I want is on this computer and not on the iPod yet.
[08:04] <Hajuu> How do I install a windows game, through linux?
[08:04] <Stalagna> andres_fr: through synoptic?
[08:04] <andres_fr> yes
[08:04] <andres_fr> Hajuu, cedega
[08:04] <BR0KEN> Hajuu have you checked into Cedega at all?
[08:04] <andres_fr> but it's paid
[08:04] <Aegir> Hajuu, Wine or Cedega will do
[08:04] <Hajuu> I have a copy of cedega and a copy of wine
[08:04] <Madpilot> has anyone actually used OO.o 2 yet? How stable is it?
[08:04] <Hajuu> Cedega doesnt do anything, wine starts.. but then when the windows installer initializes, it gives an error and crashes
[08:04] <andres_fr> Hajuu, then install cedega, then run cedega "installer_name.exe"
[08:04] <BR0KEN> is there a package for openoffice 2 yet?
[08:05] <imaek> Yay! 50%.
[08:05] <Aegir> Madpilot, I've used 2 under Windows and Linux. Its very tasteh
[08:05] <Enkidu> bob2, no it doesnt say anything at all about sound
[08:05] <BR0KEN> Aegir there's a package?
[08:05] <bob2> Enkidu: cool
[08:05] <andres_fr> Hajuu, if it crashes it might be unsupported
[08:05] <bob2> BR0KEN: it's in hoary and has been for months
[08:05] <bob2> BR0KEN: apt-cache search openoffic
[08:05] <terasurfer> Hajuu: you might want to check the wine/cedega compatibility first
[08:05] <BR0KEN> bob2 whenever i do an apt-get dist-upgrade it never has upgraded.
[08:05] <hondje> Is there any gnome app like kile?
[08:05] <Aegir> BR0KEN, Yes there is. But you have to remove OO1 which wants to take the Ubuntu Desktop package with it. The latter does nothing anyway. Just a metapackage for installing from a server setup.
[08:06] <pinPoint> bob2, did you have anything in mind...
[08:06] <pinPoint> other than mrtg
[08:06] <Madpilot> Aegir: good to hear. not fond of beta-testing, though!
[08:06] <Stalagna> andres_fr: could not find openoffice2 in synaptic
[08:06] <andres_fr> Stalagna, well, maybe you need repositories
[08:06] <imaek> Hooray! 65%!
[08:06] <andres_fr> try ubuntuguide.org
[08:06] <Aegir> Madpilot, OO2 is very stable, very nice overall.
[08:06] <bob2> BR0KEN: er, of course, it's not the default since it's buggy and brand new
[08:06] <Stalagna> k, thanks
[08:06] <bob2> BR0KEN: you need to install it if you want it
[08:07] <andres_fr> Aegir, very different from OOo
[08:07] <andres_fr> ?
[08:07] <bob2> pinPoint: I was going to suggest rrdtool, which has much better docs
[08:07] <nihao> using PAN newsreader, can I use it for reading a google discussion group, i.e. comp.emacs? is it for this purpose?
[08:07] <Aegir> andres_fr, Come again?
[08:07] <OSStiger> hi, i get an error window in my panel. "I've detected a panel already running,and will now exit."  When I hit the OK button, it just comes back after a second. What to do?
[08:07] <hondje> nihao: Yep, to read groups
[08:07] <Hajuu_> hmm
[08:07] <Enkidu> bob2, so what do you think is causing it?
[08:07] <Amaranth> google discussion group? they call that usenet
[08:07] <pinPoint> bob2, is it dependable?
[08:07] <andres_fr> Aegir, i was asking if it was very different from open office 1
[08:07] <bob2> pinPoint: yes
[08:07] <pinPoint> with graphs?
[08:07] <Hajuu_> The problem which makes me need to reinstall in the first place is that it doesnt recognise that my game cd is in the drive....
[08:07] <bob2> nihao: yes
[08:07] <bob2> pinPoint: of course
[08:08] <bob2> pinPoint: it's the successor to mrtg, more or less
[08:08] <Aegir> andres_fr, Yes. Open Office 2 is much much better than 1. Similar in interface.
[08:08] <pinPoint> really?
[08:08] <pinPoint> hmm
[08:08] <tweek888> hello
[08:08] <bob2> Enkidu: I dont know, I'd try asking on the user list
[08:08] <andres_fr> pinPoint, even better, get cacti
[08:08] <pinPoint> cacti?
[08:08] <nihao> hondje, bob2: then how I configure the news server?
[08:08] <Enkidu> bob2, ?
[08:08] <Aegir> When Open Office 2 gets released, Microsoft Office will look very lacklustre.
[08:08] <pinPoint> bob2, cacti better?
[08:08] <Davey> which build is it?
[08:08] <Amaranth> m100, iirc
[08:08] <andres_fr> pinPoint, cacti uses rrdtool
[08:08] <imaek> Wow! 90%!
[08:09] <Amaranth> nihao: your isp needs to provide a news server
[08:09] <tweek888> i have a problem, i jsut downloaded the i386 installer for ubuntu 5.04 i md5 summed it looks fine, but ive burned the disc 3 times and it keeps erroring on the base installation :\
[08:09] <bob2> Enkidu: the user email list...
[08:09] <tweek888> any idea
[08:09] <tweek888> s
[08:09] <bob2> nihao: er, you don't
[08:09] <andres_fr> pinPoint, but has a fully featured web interface for configuring
[08:09] <Amaranth> Davey: m100, iirc
[08:09] <Enkidu> bob2, i have no idea what that is :-\
[08:09] <bob2> pinPoint: I think cacti works on top of rrdtool
[08:09] <bob2> Enkidu: do you know what a mailing list is?
[08:09] <Enkidu> bob2, yes
[08:09] <Davey> bob2: that it does
[08:09] <andres_fr> pinPoint, just make sure to install apache2 and mysql 1st
[08:09] <andres_fr> then cacti
[08:09] <pinPoint> web interface hey...
[08:09] <vince_> can an expert tell me the following... if I use gparted from within ubuntu to resize my Windows partition to allow more space for my linux partition (ext3), upon reboot will that prevent grub from booting into linux? thanks!
[08:09] <shanon> tweek888: Does it boot and then crash during the install ?
[08:09] <tweek888> nope
[08:09] <tweek888> i get a red screen
[08:10] <shanon> tweek888: so it doesn't boot ?
[08:10] <bob2> Enkidu: there's a mailing list for ubuntu users, called ubuntu-users
[08:10] <tweek888> it boots fine
[08:10] <andres_fr> pinPoint, i have one running, wanna see it?
[08:10] <Madpilot> heh... I see that OO.org has stopped trying to give a release date for OO2. Might try it thru Syn anyway...
[08:10] <tweek888> it gets to base installation
[08:10] <pinPoint> andres_fr, sure
[08:10] <Davey> is there any way to make ubuntu boot look prettier? :)
[08:10] <andres_fr> pinPoint, nvm, laptop at work
[08:10] <poopinaboot> wow, xfce is so much faster and so much more configurable
[08:10] <tweek888> and errors with a red screen
[08:10] <andres_fr> sorry
[08:10] <pinPoint> andres_fr, pm
[08:10] <Amaranth> red screen? windows stole the red screen of death from us~
[08:10] <Cy|Hyper> Someone please help me
[08:10] <shanon> tweek888: does it crash at the same point everytime ?
[08:10] <Davey> like SuSE and other distros? where it uses framebuffer to show a loading graphic and you press esc to see details
[08:10] <tweek888> yea
[08:10] <Amaranth> Davey: Maybe something like http://dev.realistanew.com/megatokyo.png ? :)
[08:11] <imaek> 95%......
[08:11] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: begging for help isn't very useful
[08:11] <Amaranth> oh, you mean bootup
[08:11] <Cy|Hyper> Need WEP help with Ubuntu and a Linksys router
[08:11] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: disable wep and see if it works
[08:11] <Amaranth> Davey: bootsplash planned for breezy, i think someone maybe one for hoary
[08:11] <shanon> tweek888: It is probably not the CD. Find out exaclty what it is doing when it crashes. Is it loading a driver or something
[08:11] <Amaranth> Davey: geeks want to know what their computer is doing, newbs can ignore all the words scrolling by ;)
[08:12] <tweek888> :\
[08:12] <vince_> does anyone know how to run the framebuffer in 1440x1050? what is the vga option?
[08:12] <tweek888> im much to tired, it takes my burner 18 minutes to burn and ive done this three times already :\
[08:12] <andres_fr> Cy|Hyper, pm
[08:12] <Cy|Hyper> Should I disable SSID broadcast?
[08:12] <nihao> Amaranth: I don't know if my ISP get this ready for us.... Is there a way to access google directly in PAN? (if this is a correct question)
[08:12] <andres_fr> Cy|Hyper, no
[08:12] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: no
[08:12] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: disable wep
[08:12] <Cy|Hyper> OK
[08:12] <Amaranth> nihao: no, google is just reading usenet for you
[08:13] <Amaranth> nihao: pan needs to read usenet for you, so it needs a news server
[08:13] <eyequeue> vince_:  zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.10/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt.gz
[08:13] <shanon> tweek888: Don't reburn the cd it isn't helping. When you install if it always crashes at the same point it is probably an action of the installer that is incompatable with the setup of your computer
[08:13] <bob2> vince_: you're not using X?
[08:13] <vince_> bob2, I am
[08:14] <Tezkah> I'm actually glad there isn't a bootscreen by default on ubuntu
[08:14] <Madpilot> nihao: most ISPs still have news servers. contact yours on Monday, or check their website?
[08:14] <nihao> AMARANTH: oh, I see. maybe I should search if there is some free/public news server. any suggestion?
[08:14] <tweek888> shanon i have had ubuntu on that computer before
[08:14] <Tezkah> it helps with troubleshooting
[08:14] <vince_> bob2, I just want to have the nice bootsplash
[08:14] <paulproteus> nihao: What is your ISP?
[08:14] <eyequeue> vince_:  oops, no, it's not there, dang
[08:14] <Tezkah> vince_: bootsplash is another thing that can go wrong... and it also makes it hard to troubleshoot :)
[08:14] <vince_> eyequeue, what is it supposed to be anyway? a doc file? sorry, still learning...
[08:14] <eyequeue> vince_:  actually, the stock kernels are not compiled with the bootsplash
[08:15] <vince_> tezkah, you have a point here... but I am not much of a troubleshooter yet anyway :)
[08:15] <linuxn00b> hi, i'm running the live cd, the problem is I can't mount my windows(ntfs) hdd...actually I don't know how lol
[08:15] <shanon> tweek888: If it is always crashing at exactly the same point it will probably be what I mentioned.
[08:15] <nihao> Madpilot, paulproteus: I am from China. I wonder if this kind of service is provided :-( news server is not popular here.
[08:15] <vince_> eyequeue, it seems to work - if I just specify the vga option at the kernel line in grub, I can do as much as 1280x1024, but my display is a bit larger
[08:15] <eyequeue> vince_:  ah, it's where i (mistakenly) thought i'd seen the table of values (though you have to convert hexadecimal<->decimal )
[08:15] <pinPoint> can terminal work with dependancies?
[08:15] <tweek888> i will get it in a minute hold that thought
[08:15] <paulproteus> nihao: Oh, I see.  I doubt USENET is provided by your ISP, then.
[08:15] <tweek888> :\
[08:15] <paulproteus> Are there specific groups you are interested in?
[08:15] <vince_> eyequeue, conversion is not a problem
[08:16] <eyequeue> vince_:  i use 791, but it's only 1024x768 on this laptop
[08:16] <i3dmaster> vince_: can it go to 1280x1024?
[08:16] <vince_> but I also see forums saying that vesa's max fb resolution is 1280x1024, so...
[08:16] <Madpilot> nihao: that might make it difficult. still, might be worth contactign your ISP
[08:16] <vince_> i3master, yes
[08:16] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[08:16] <i3dmaster> what mode number that is you are using?
[08:16] <vince_> let me see..
[08:16] <nihao> OK. I will try.
[08:16] <paulproteus> Madpilot: Heh.  "Contacting your ISP" in China seems like asking for trouble.
[08:16] <paulproteus> I could be wrong, though.
[08:17] <Madpilot> paulproteus: perhaps. I'll leave that up to nihao, he's the local!
[08:17] <andres_fr> how can i start apache2 in a port different that 80?
[08:17] <vince_> i3dmaster, 0x31B
[08:17] <paulproteus> andres_fr: Look for the "Listen" directive.
[08:17] <nihao> btw, How can I specify the person I am repling to in X-chat. I manually type your names, but I guess it should be easier.
[08:17] <poopinaboot> so, if ubuntu is with gnome, kubuntu is with kde, what is ubuntu with xfce called?
[08:17] <paulproteus> Amaranth: You may find that removing your Firefox profile, or creating a new one and using that, makes it more stable.
[08:17] <Davey> Amaranth: pfft, I hate seeing it
[08:17] <paulproteus> nihao: Begin typing our names, then press 'tab'.
[08:17] <radix> nihao: try typing the beginning of their names and then hitting tab key
[08:18] <andres_fr> paulproteus, thx
[08:18] <Madpilot> has anyone ever run SETI@home in U? noticed it in Syn and just curious...
[08:18] <eyequeue> andres_fr:  /etc/apache2/ports.conf:Listen 80
[08:18] <nihao> paulproteus, radix : done! thanks, good tricks!
[08:18] <paulproteus> nihao: My pleasure. :)
[08:18] <glick> nihao, not tricks my friend...magic!
[08:18] <Enkidu> bob2, i found a site that says its not supported by alsa (version 0.5.2) but it is by OSS version 3.9.2, do you know if that would matter?
[08:19] <bob2> dang
[08:19] <bob2> it might
[08:19] <bob2> you can try disabling ALSA
[08:19] <bob2> and the module snd-ympci or whatever it was to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:20] <imaek> When I do tail -f /var/log/messages and plug in my iPod, I get nothing.
[08:21] <Amaranth> paulproteus: I'm not removing 4 months on saved passwords
[08:21] <Amaranth> paulproteus: any other options?
[08:21] <penticlex> ahh java working
[08:22] <imaek> Does it matter that I have an installed-after firewire card?
[08:22] <penticlex> it was faster than I remember
[08:25] <nate__> muhaha
[08:25] <nate__> asfsdf
[08:25] <hyphenated> Amaranth: go into about:config, sort by 'Status' and reset the "user set" values back to default with a right-click ?
[08:25] <tsume> hi there, I'm in need of assistance to find a decent monitoring tool like mrtg, what are the alternatives?
[08:25] <tsume> I'm a bit busy, so I don't have the time to rtfm or google.
[08:25] <hyphenated> Amaranth: (that's similar, but not the same, as removing the profile. it resets some things back to the default)
[08:25] <Amaranth> hyphenated: I kinda want all my settings too. :)
[08:26] <Amaranth> every time i lose my profile i have to spend 3 hours getting everything setup again
[08:26] <imaek> Hey, I can't mount my iPod no matter how hard I try.
[08:26] <imaek> I have gtkpod
[08:27] <BR0KEN> ipods don't support vorbis.
[08:27] <imaek> erm...
[08:27] <imaek> what do you mean, BR0KEN
[08:27] <glick> why are you trying to hump your ipod?
[08:27] <transgress> nope but my rio karma sure supports vorbis
[08:27] <hyphenated> Amaranth: well, I don't know how to export/import the saved passwords, and it's hardly fun trying to reproduce those 'random crashes', but they often don't occur with a fresh profile
[08:28] <imaek> glick: ;)
[08:28] <BR0KEN> the rio karma fuckin sucks.
[08:28] <Amaranth> hyphenated: this profile is 48 hours old :)
[08:28] <BR0KEN> it breaks and breaks and breaks again.
[08:28] <toxicfume> yahalom: hey, are you around?
[08:28] <bob2> tsume: you're too busy to do the work yourself, but you're willing to ask strangers to do it for you?
[08:28] <transgress> BR0KEN: my ass
[08:28] <hyphenated> Amaranth: golly, you're good at breaking things ;-)
[08:28] <transgress> BR0KEN: do you have one?
[08:28] <BR0KEN> transgress i went through three of them in two months.
[08:28] <Amaranth> hyphenated: i managed to salvage my passwords from the last one
[08:28] <BR0KEN> transgress and rio tech support sucks.
[08:28] <hyphenated> Amaranth: and your last apt-get upgrade was how long ago?
[08:28] <transgress_> BR0KEN: sounds like something to do with you
[08:28] <tsume> bob2: someone might have a better recommendation than "Linux monitor" which I seen on freshmeat
[08:28] <Amaranth> hyphenated: 5 minutes
[08:29] <BR0KEN> transgress Rio tech support was THE WORST i've EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!  MANY many MANY reviews of the karma mention these same problems.
[08:29] <BR0KEN> transgress no it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:29] <tsume> bob2: was your comment supposed to be a rude remark?
[08:29] <transgress_> eh i can deal without tech support
[08:29] <bob2> tsume: I'm just rather shocked you'd be so blatently lazy like that
[08:29] <BR0KEN> transgress i took excellent care of it.  the hard drive just kept freezing. TONS of people had this problem.  Rio sucks.
[08:30] <bob2> tsume: mrtg is not a "monitoring tool", it's a graphing tool for SNMP.  rrdtool/cacti is the modern replacement for it.
[08:30] <BR0KEN> transgress how long have you had your karma?
[08:30] <imaek> How can I get my firewire working?
[08:30] <transgress_> couple months now
[08:30] <Stalagna> ?? How can you update your choices for installation in synaptic package manager?
[08:30] <BR0KEN> transgress believe me, before my karma started breaking i was in love with it.
[08:30] <Amaranth> transgress, BR0KEN: Try to be a little more friendly with this discussion.
[08:30] <johnnybezak> hey guys, i'm getting a laptop today and I want to have my home directory be on the network anyone know how i get that running?
[08:30] <BR0KEN> transgress get ready for it to break dude.
[08:30] <tsume> bob2: cacti is junk since it uses mySQL
[08:30] <BR0KEN> Amaranth i'm being friendly.
[08:30] <bob2> tsume: then rrdtool.
[08:30] <BR0KEN> Amaranth i'm mad at Rio not him.
[08:30] <transgress_> Amaranth: i am being friendly.  i don't have "wordhere sucks" at the end of each of my sentences.
[08:30] <Amaranth> BR0KEN: But you're yelling. :)
[08:30] <bob2> johnnybezak: you want your laptop to only be useful when it's on your network?
[08:30] <tsume> bob2: I don't wish to write my own scripts for rrdtool ;)
[08:31] <imaek> johnnybezak: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver does that help
[08:31] <Amaranth> kinda defeats the point of having a laptop
[08:31] <BR0KEN> Amaranth well..if you went through what i went through with Rio..you'd be bitter too.  I spent over 40 hours on the phone with them all together..had a huge cell phone bill..
[08:31] <BR0KEN> i want to bomb rio's hq.
[08:31] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah it's impractical probably, but I want to know how to do it anyway
[08:31] <transgress_> BR0KEN: you also seem to want to go to jail
[08:31] <tsume> "A YIFF sound server controller and monitor", why would anyone want a yiff controller? ;)
[08:32] <tsume> yiff == sex, in the furry realm
[08:32] <toxicfume> How do i know what my LCD's refresh rate is? (ithought LCD's don't have refresh rate..but fglrxconfig wants to know :S_
[08:32] <imaek> Does anybody know how to get a firewire iPod to show up ( I don't have a /dev/sdc2
[08:32] <imaek> )
[08:32] <Amaranth> BR0KEN: The Brazilian government's computers just started watching you. You says 'bomb rio'. ;)
[08:32] <bob2> johnnybezak: install nfs-kernel-server on the server, then edit /etc/exports ('man 5 exports' explains how).  then mount it on the client with 'sudo mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>/blah /home'
[08:32] <bob2> imaek: try asking on the user list
[08:32] <glick> oooh im scared! the brazillian government is watching me!!! hide me!
[08:32] <cyphase> Amaranth, and since they're switching to Linux now, he can't hack back
[08:32] <cyphase> ;)
[08:32] <imaek> bob2: User list?
[08:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[08:32] <tsume> bob2: its 0232, so sue me ;)
[08:32] <toxicfume> anyone?
[08:33] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok cool thanks
[08:33] <bob2> imaek: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[08:33] <toxicfume> How do i know what my LCD's refresh rate is? (ithought LCD's don't have refresh rate..but fglrxconfig wants to know :S_
[08:33] <Amaranth> toxicfume: tell it 60Hz
[08:33] <toxicfume> Amaranth: okay
[08:34] <imaek> bob2: I think I'll try my luck with the forums first (I'm unfirmiliar with the whole mailing-list thing)
[08:34] <Cy|Hyper> Hey Andres
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Well
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Disabling WEP didn't help
[08:35] <Madpilot> tsume: knowing what 'yiff' means counts as Too Much Information, I think... :)
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> God
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> This sucks
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> And I'm tired
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Well
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Night
[08:35] <Stalagna> can someone tell me how to update all your choices in synaptic package manager?
[08:36] <bob2> what do you mean "update your choices"?
[08:36] <Stalagna> does it automatically update it if someone releases something new?
[08:36] <AvvY> how can i make a desktop shortcut/launcher to a directory?
[08:37] <Enkidu> I FIXED MY SOUND!!!
[08:37] <Enkidu> sorry ;) i've been working on this for 2 weeks
[08:37] <bob2> by using OSS?
[08:37] <Stalagna> bob2: is that ? for me?
[08:37] <Enkidu> bob2, no, i deleted the alsa file in /etc/modutils, and replaced it with the code listing from a site about my laptop
[08:37] <thoreauputic> AvvY: something like "natilus://path/to/directory"
[08:37] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[08:38] <AvvY> didnt work
[08:39] <Enkidu> i even went so far as to switch to gentoo trying to get sound...im just glad it finally works
[08:39] <thoreauputic> AvvY: works here:  try just nautilus /path/to/directory
[08:40] <AvvY> in a terminal?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> AvvY: in the command field of course
[08:40] <thoreauputic> no
[08:40] <AvvY> in the laucnher thingy
[08:40] <imaek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=191245#post191245 - Any help?
[08:40] <penticlex> is there any way to get shockwave working
[08:40] <thoreauputic> AvvY: right click, make launcher, fill in the command
[08:40] <penticlex> besides wine
[08:40] <AvvY> it keeps saying execute text file
[08:41] <imaek> penticlex - Last I heard there wasn't a shockwave plugin for linux.
[08:41] <penticlex> I didnt think so but it couldent hurt to ask
[08:41] <AvvY> wait, i got it
[08:41] <AvvY> thanx
[08:41] <thoreauputic> AvvY: OK
[08:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:42] <nihao> Madpilot, paulproteus : I managed to get a new server in China. it works perfectly! USENET is a good thing.
[08:42] <Madpilot> nihao: hey, cool. I still spend a lot fo time on Usenet; it's the great forgotten resource of the internet!
[08:43] <tsume> oyasumi nasai &
[08:44] <Davey> is there anyway to re-install ubuntu-desktop without having it reinstall OOo?
[08:44] <Amaranth> Davey: Trying to get rid of 1 and keep 2? :)
[08:45] <Davey> Amaranth: yes
[08:45] <Amaranth> Davey: Don't worry about ubuntu-desktop, you don't need it
[08:45] <Davey> Amaranth: I will when breezy reaches release ;)
[08:45] <Enkidu> ok 1 quick question before i leave, how do i find out what programs load at the start of gnome; i get an error message saying that 'this program needs to be run by root' but it doesnt say which program
[08:45] <Amaranth> Davey: The one in breezy depends on OOo2 stuff anyway, so you'll be fine when it comes time to upgrade.
[08:45] <paulproteus> nihao: A "new server"?
[08:45] <paulproteus> Do you mean a news server?
[08:46] <bob2> Amaranth: er, be careful there
[08:46] <paringas> sorry, guys, what settings do you set in /etc/fstab so your windoze partition is mounted at boot and is accessible not only by root? thanks
[08:46] <paulproteus> paringas: It's in ubuntuguide.org.
[08:46] <Amaranth> bob2: ?
[08:47] <Amaranth> bob2: Oh, I needed to talk to you about a bot.
[08:47] <bob2> Davey: when you upgrade to breezy, make sure you look at what breezy's ubuntu-desktop Depends on and install all the other stuff (or just install it if it Depends on oo2)
[08:47] <nihao> paulproteus, sorry for the typo, "news server" instead :-)
[08:47] <bob2> Amaranth: upgrading to breezy without ubuntu-desktop won't be fun...e.g. upgrading to hoary with it meant not getting X.org.
[08:47] <thoreauputic> paringas: I use /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[08:47] <paulproteus> nihao: Great. :)
[08:47] <paulproteus> What is it, so I can know?
[08:47] <Amaranth> bob2: ubotu appearently gives package information. I told cafuego to make it PM only and +q'ed it until I talked to you, since he said you allowed it.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> paringas: that is for an ntfs XP paertition of course
[08:48] <thoreauputic> *partition
[08:48] <bob2> Amaranth: I didn't allow it, I said that it wasn't a bad idea
[08:48] <Amaranth> bob2: Yeah, that's why you changes sources.list to breezy and install ubuntu-desktop before you dist-upgrade. :)
[08:48] <Amaranth> bob2: I'm just worried about it flooding the channel.
[08:48] <imaek> Does anybody know how to get a firewire iPod to show up ( I don't have a /dev/sdc2 )?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> paringas: if you want it mounted on boot, substitute auto for noauto
[08:49] <Tezkah> shit
[08:49] <bob2> Amaranth: it has a reply size limit of line of text, which even on 80x25 terminals is only 1/3rd of the screen
[08:49] <paringas> paulproteus and thoreauputic: thanks
[08:49] <crimmy> imaek: sdc would be the third scsi device. If you only have that one firewire device, it'd be sda.
[08:49] <bob2> Amaranth: and it ignores people if they abuse it
[08:49] <Tezkah> how can I force powernowd to stay quiet?
[08:49] <Davey> Hmm, how to make Gnome2 show the side panel in all browser windows? (file browser).
[08:49] <Amaranth> ah, a smart bot
[08:49] <Tezkah> I'm watching a movie
[08:49] <AvvY> how dot i got about accessing my network? I am on Ubuntu and am networked via a router to a Win98SE computer
[08:49] <Tezkah> and it sets it to be maximum
[08:49] <Tezkah> its getting hot
[08:49] <imaek> crimmy: okay, but there isn't any sd's. I 'ls /dev/sd*'ed and got nothing
[08:50] <Davey> if, for example I go to "Places > Home" I can't get it to show, but in "Applications > System Tools > File Browser" I see it
[08:50] <Tezkah> ah, well, its going down anyways
[08:50] <bob2> Amaranth: some other dude went nuts at me because he claimed I was an "asshole" for refusing his bot, and apparently my only reason was that it wasn't a bloot bot (but Ididn't refuse it and I didn't say I'd only support a blootbot)
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> Amaranth who was the bot?
[08:50] <AvvY> it detects my Windows Network, but doesnt have anything listed inside
[08:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ubotu
[08:51] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 lol
[08:51] <Amaranth> ack, it still only PMs
[08:51] <Amaranth> because i told him to make it do that
[08:51] <nate__> man, why didn't anyone tell me that xfce owned this much?
[08:51] <nate__> this is so fast
[08:51] <nate__> and configurable
 sorry. i'm in 'PRIVATE' talkMethod mode while you sent a message to me publicly.
[08:51] <bob2> Amaranth: my only real concern is that idiots will fill the db with crap and use it to abuse each other on the channel (cf the dpkg bot)
[08:51] <Amaranth> heh, i've seen that
[08:52] <Amaranth> oh, ##php's bot must be a blootbot too, i already know all these commands
[08:52] <cafuego> Amaranth: I can fix 'im though, I'm around.
[08:53] <Amaranth> cafuego: ah, awesome
[08:53] <bob2> might be an infobot, that's what blootbot is derived from
[08:53] <Amaranth> well, they told me they wrote it
[08:53] <Amaranth> is blootbot written in PHP?
[08:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: Most importantly ubotu allows searching through packages/Contents files for meta info.
[08:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: No, blootbot is a dirty perl hack
[08:53] <Amaranth> ah
[08:54] <Llamabutcher> hey guys I am using my buddies laptop, he got a virus on windows and he cant delete this certian file. I am using the ubuntu live cd, it looks like the partition where the fie is is mounted on hda5, but it isnt writeable, what is the command to make it writeable drive?
[08:54] <Amaranth> tell me when you turn it back on public mode, i want to test something
[08:54] <bob2> Llamabutcher: if it's ntfs, you can't
[08:54] <bob2> Llamabutcher: unless you install captive-ntfs
[08:54] <cafuego> bob2: I have stuff like !lart disabled on it already anyway.
[08:54] <bob2> cafuego: ah, yay
[08:54] <Amaranth> captive ntfs is pretty slick. uses ntfs read support to get the ntfs.sys driver
[08:55] <cafuego> bob2: They're all modules that can be dis/en-abled on a per-channel basis.
[08:55] <Amaranth> ubotu: help
[08:55] <Llamabutcher> bob2, is that strictly for the live version?
[08:55] <Highbie> so is everyone here a programmer?
[08:55] <bob2> Llamabutcher: no, it's a general linux thing
[08:55] <cafuego> Amaranth: Want me to put him back on public?
[08:55] <bob2> Highbie: very few are, from what I can tell
[08:55] <Llamabutcher> can I apt-get install it?
[08:55] <Llamabutcher> even though its the live cd?
[08:55] <Amaranth> yeah, but if it's possible to have help still go to PM, that'd be good
[08:55] <Amaranth> cafuego: ^
[08:55] <bob2> Llamabutcher: apt-get works on the live cd, yes
[08:55] <cafuego> Amaranth: I'll have a look
[08:56] <Amaranth> cafuego: since help spits out a lot of data
[08:56] <transgress_> hope you have enough ram to apt-get with the livecd
[08:56] <Highbie> are there help channels on freenode?
[08:56] <bob2> Highbie: for what?
[08:56] <Amaranth> Highbie: help for what?
[08:56] <bob2> Highbie: (yes, there are lots, on thousands of topics)
[08:56] <Llamabutcher> bob2: is the actual package called captive-ntfs?
[08:56] <bob2> Llamabutcher: no
[08:56] <transgress_> thousands?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Highbie: this is a help channel
[08:57] <transgress_> perhaps a bit of a stretch...
[08:57] <Highbie> lol
[08:57] <Amaranth> transgress: no, i'm sure there are that many
[08:58] <[Spooky] > i have a problem with Python under install and after install off Ubuntu is this a common problem ?
[08:58] <transgress_> Amaranth: at least 2000 help channels?
[08:58] <bob2> [Spooky] : you need to tell us what the problem is
[08:58] <Amaranth> transgress_: freenode tells you how many channels there are when you connect
[08:58] <Llamabutcher> bob2: what is the command to install captive-ntfs
[08:59] <transgress_> oh wow
[08:59] <transgress_> i'm impressed... more than i thought was on here
[08:59] <bob2> Llamabutcher: there are lots of them
[08:59] <Amaranth> transgress: 8309 channels formed
[08:59] <transgress_> i noticed
[08:59] <Amaranth> transgress: you gotta figure at least half of those are actually in use
[08:59] <AvvY> anyone know where i could find Linux drivers for the Cannon MP390 all-in-one office centre device?
[09:00] <Amaranth> freenode is very large
[09:00] <Amaranth> that's why we netsplit so much
[09:00] <bob2> AvvY: does linux support it at all?
[09:00] <bob2> other networks have more people than OPN and don't seem to netsplit as much
[09:00] <Amaranth> it's not really that freenode servers split more than others, its just that we have so many
[09:00] <AvvY> bob2: it doesnt list my specific printer, but it does have a (recomended) (suggested) driver preseleected for a bjc600
[09:00] <paulproteus> bob2: The network architecture is very, um, "custom."
[09:01] <[Spooky] > bob2: when doing sudo apt-get upgrade i get a mes about phyton-glade2 is missing and i cant install it it says dkpg error...
[09:01] <bob2> AvvY: does that work?
[09:01] <bob2> paulproteus: hah, so I've gathered
[09:01] <AvvY> havent tried: should i?
[09:01] <bob2> [Spooky] : this is with hoary?
[09:01] <Amaranth> OPN? it hasn't been called that since 2001, has it?
[09:01] <bob2> er, freenode
[09:01] <cafuego> Amaranth: Ok, it automaticalt replies in privmsg when the resposne is > 128 chars.
[09:01] <paulproteus> heh.
[09:01] <imaek> gnome-theme-manager is broken now >_<
[09:01] <bob2> my irssi config is from waaay back, so it still says OPN as the network name
[09:01] <[Spooky] > hm the default on the download page
[09:01] <Madpilot> AvvY: had a look here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/  ?
[09:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: awesome
[09:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: i now have no problems with it
[09:01] <thoreauputic> AvvY: wouldn't hurt to try the recommendation
[09:01] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[09:01] <cafuego> Amaranth: Easy then. Let me just kill and restart it.
[09:02] <cafuego> Amaranth: Not retsarted yet
[09:02] <Amaranth> oh, you need to restart, yeah
[09:02] <nate__> how can you run the archive manager from the cli??
[09:02] <transgress_> hmm
[09:02] <AvvY> madpilot: looking, but cant see it
[09:02] <AvvY> thoreaputic: alright ill have a go
[09:02] <cafuego> the portscans are retarded
[09:02] <Amaranth> cafuego: maybe give me or bob2 admin access to it so we can deal with abusers?
[09:03] <cafuego> Amaranth: Sure
[09:03] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm the one that is downloadabled on the ubuntu homepage...
[09:03] <Amaranth> we don't both need it
[09:03] <Amaranth> bob2: you want it?
[09:03] <cafuego> Amaranth: Let me have a perv at the userfile
[09:03] <bob2> ok
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cafuego: does it have a command like ! or similar, or do you have to address it ?
[09:03] <nate__> anyone know how you can start the archive manager from the command line??
[09:03] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: help tells all :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK :)
[09:04] <Llamabutcher> I am trying to do apt-get update w/ the ubuntu (warty) live cd and I am getting this error message E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[09:04] <AvvY> its printing!
[09:04] <cafuego> thoreauputic: it will respond to '!' when it comes back.
[09:04] <AvvY> wow
[09:04] <imaek> Erm... my System -> Preferences -> Themes (gnome-theme-manager) isn't working.
[09:04] <AvvY> thats sooooo coool
[09:04] <nate__> can anyone right-click the archive-manager in their gnome menu and tell me what command it uses to run?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> AvvY: :)
[09:04] <imaek> And I don't know how to figure out what's wrong with it.
[09:04] <[Spooky] > aha is the two types of Ubuntu ?
[09:05] <[Spooky] > *there
[09:05] <Aegir> nate__, It will be file roller. Not sure what the command is. Try file-roller
[09:05] <bob2> [Spooky] : ok, weird.  sure the cd burnt correctly?
[09:05] <Tezkah> [Spooky] : there is Ubuntu, and Kubuntu
[09:05] <nate__> Aegir: thanks
[09:05] <Aegir> Yeap. its file-roller
[09:05] <Tezkah> which is the latest KDE + Ubuntu
[09:06] <nate__> Aegir: setting up all my file references in xfce4
[09:06] <Llamabutcher> how come when I do apt-get update w/ the live cd it is giving me this message E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[09:06] <Aegir> ;)
[09:06] <Raskall> my ubuntu propaganda is working. i am now up to my 5th windows convert
[09:06] <Raskall> in 3 months
[09:06] <[Spooky] > bob2: yes, i burned the iso in 16x that wouldnt be any problem right ?
[09:06] <Aegir> Llamabutcher, Umm, Its a live-cd
[09:06] <imaek> Erm... kubuntu sounds like a kind of lame idea to me.
[09:06] <bob2> [Spooky] : did you check, though?
[09:06] <imaek> I mean, isn't the idea of ubuntu to be human?
[09:06] <bob2> imaek: cool, but some other people think ubuntu is lame.  isn't the world amazing!
[09:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: it's actually very good - try it and see
[09:07] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm how ?
[09:07] <bob2> Llamabutcher: did you configure the network yet?
[09:07] <imaek> thoreauputic - I really don't like KDE...
[09:07] <Raskall> imaek: it is. I installed it to check it out. sucked.
[09:07] <imaek> I've used it before many times.
[09:07] <bob2> [Spooky] : you burnt it from linux?
[09:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: I see :)
[09:07] <Madpilot> Raskall: so, do ppl get bonus points for converting MSers?
[09:07] <Raskall> Madpilot: just honor
[09:07] <[Spooky] > bob2: no from sh*tty Windows :)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: I use fluxbox mostly - but the new KDE is quite impressive
[09:08] <bob2> [Spooky] : ok, I don't know how to check the md5sum of a cd from there
[09:08] <Raskall> brb
[09:08] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok, and linux dosent have any cdcheck program ?
[09:08] <imaek> thoreauputic - I first used GNOME, then KDE, then FluxBox, then back to GNOME, then to Xfce, and now back to GNOME.
[09:08] <dr_willis> go try WindowMaker :P
[09:09] <bob2> [Spooky] : sure, md5sum is all you need
[09:09] <Llamabutcher> well I couldnt get the wireless working on my friends centrino lappy, so i just plugged in, and everything seems to be fine, bob2.
[09:09] <AvvY> bob2, thoreauputic: i can print, but it only prints on a section of the page - as in it shrinks the page and pints a smaller version on 1/3 of the page. any ideas?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> imaek: I switch according to mood and task at hand
[09:09] <whiteox> hi all
[09:09] <transgress_> i have gnome on my lappy and kde on my desktop
[09:09] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm, am i able to check the hole cd with md5sum ?
[09:09] <bob2> Llamabutcher: you can ping google.com?
[09:10] <bob2> [Spooky] : sure, 'md5sum /dev/cdrom'
[09:10] <imaek> thoreauputic: Ah, I would, but I have things happening on my computer.  I can't really reboot/reset at will.
[09:10] <[Spooky] > bob2: i mean like check the burned cd for errors ?
[09:10] <bob2> AvvY: might try seeing what www.linux-printing.org says about it
[09:10] <bob2> [Spooky] : right, that's what that command does
[09:10] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok let me try...
[09:10] <imaek> I think I will restart.
[09:11] <iceman> ok, i need help in changing icons in gnome ... the icons if on the desktop
[09:11] <thoreauputic> imaek: no need for that - just use gdmflexiserver to log in
[09:11] <jeff25> how can I make X listen on port 6000?
[09:11] <cafuego> !test
[09:11] <ubotu> Yes, cafuego, you're still online.
[09:11] <AvvY> bob2: its just a site with ad related links
[09:11] <Madpilot> AvvY, bob2: no dash in http://www.linuxprinting.org
[09:12] <bob2> AvvY: linuxprinting.org I mean
[09:12] <nate__> what program can play wma music files?
[09:12] <bob2> jeff25: why?
[09:12] <bob2> nate__: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:12] <thoreauputic> cafuego: cool, just checking the help :)
[09:12] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[09:12] <ubotu> I guess smeg is a GNOME 2.10 menu editor at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:12] <Amaranth> cool
[09:12] <Llamabutcher> bob2: yes I can ping www.google.com
[09:12] <iceman> is there a way to change the size of the icons on the desktop in knome
[09:12] <jeff25> bob2: why does it matter?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> ! restricted formats
[09:12] <ubotu> No idea, thoreauputic
[09:12] <thoreauputic> aha
[09:13] <jeff25> bob2: I want to spawn xterms from a remote machine on my desktop
[09:13] <Madpilot> ! blootbot
[09:13] <Raskall> back
[09:13] <Madpilot> OK, got a /msg from the bot for that one. cool.
[09:13] <Highbie> what is uhuntu?
[09:13] <Highbie> ubuntu*
[09:13] <bob2> jeff25: ssh -X user@remotemachine, then run "xterm&" and watch it appear on your screen
[09:13] <bob2> Highbie: www.ubuntulinux.org