[07:23] <dpm> morning all
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <kim0> Morning all
[07:36] <dholbach> صباح الخير
[07:41] <kim0> dholbach: :)
[08:20] <czajkowski> Aloha
[13:09] <czajkowski> jcastro: you'll be hapy to know phil bull is deleting 130 wiki pages
[13:09] <czajkowski> *happy
[13:10] <jcastro> oh man!
[13:10] <jcastro> which ones!
[13:10] <jcastro> details!
[13:10] <jcastro> I would like to blog it
[13:11] <czajkowski> jcastro: um... read the doc mailing list not sure
[13:11] <czajkowski> but figured it'd make you happy
[13:12] <jcastro> ooh, looking
[13:12] <jcastro> thanks for the tip
[13:13] <czajkowski> np
[13:13] <czajkowski> Hi guys,
[13:13] <czajkowski> There are 130 pages on the help wiki that are listed for deletion:
[13:13] <czajkowski> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List
[13:13] <czajkowski> Let's delete them! I'm planning to backup the latest version only of
[13:14] <czajkowski> each of these pages (using wget to get the raw text) and then delete
[13:14] <czajkowski> them all, en masse. I'll push the backup to a docs team bzr repo
[13:14] <czajkowski> somewhere out of the way.
[13:14] <czajkowski> Are there any objections to me doing this?
[13:14] <czajkowski> Thanks,
[13:14] <czajkowski> jcastro: ^^
[13:17] <head_victim> Nice to get motivation to get tagging some more I guess.
[13:18] <Pici> Hmm.  We should have some easy way of checking whether ubottu has any factoids for to-be-deleted wiki pages.
[14:04] <jcastro> dpm: dholbach: kim0: hey if it's ok with jono, can we have our team call like 10 minutes early today?
[14:04] <dpm> jcastro, wfm
[14:04] <jcastro> I would like to sneak out for lunch early to have a final lunch with a group of friends
[14:04] <dholbach> jcastro, no objections
[14:09] <kim0> jcastro: ok for me
[14:18] <jcastro> \o/
[14:18] <jcastro> paultag: YO.
[14:21] <kim0> I wonder if there's a bluetooth indicator
[14:24] <nigelb> jcastro: Sadly Ubuntu monospace wasn't available and dustin couldn't use it yesterday.
[14:24] <jcastro> ah bummer
[14:24] <nigelb> jcastro: But sladen is on it, so its still good news :)
[14:24] <jcastro> for next time!
[14:24] <jcastro> that would look good dude
[14:26]  * AlanBell is using Ubuntu Mono Beta
[14:26] <AlanBell> "UbuntuBeta Mono" rather
[14:32] <paultag> jcastro: yo dude
[14:32] <paultag> jcastro: what's good
[14:33] <jcastro> nm yo
[14:35] <nigelb> jcastro: man, Mozilla is starting work on their directory. I now know the people working on it. I wonder if we can retheme and just use it.
[14:37] <paultag> jcastro: nada. Just having a back and forth with my job. I'm trying to figure out if they'll let me use Linux on my work machine
[14:38] <paultag> I was able to last time, and I pray to the FSM that they let me again
[14:42] <nigelb> FSM? Free Software Manifesto?
[14:42]  * paultag rubs his head
[14:42] <paultag> how are you a nerd nigelb
[14:42] <paultag> nigelb: http://www.venganza.org/ ← my religion
[14:42] <paultag> nigelb: the flying spaghetti monster
[14:43] <paultag> all praise him and his noodley appendage
[14:43] <Pici> Praying to the Free Software Manifesto would be pretty nerdy too.
[14:43] <nigelb> paultag: haha, I forgot baout that one.
[14:43] <paultag> Pici: yeah, but I've never heard someone say that :)
[14:44] <paultag> OK I need a coffee and a bagel
[14:44] <paultag> I'll be back. Love ya'll. May you all be touched by his noodly appendage and your tomato sauce cup runneth over. Ramen.
[14:49] <nigelb> paultag: Noodly appendage sounds slightly creepy and slightly awkward :P
[14:50] <dholbach> nigelb, http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/vo62061,1271498684,flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg
[14:51] <nigelb> dholbach: I know what he meant, just pulling his leg on choice of words :)
[14:51] <nigelb> dholbach: ah, that visualization helped :D
[14:52] <dholbach> it's not necessarily paultag's words :)
[14:53] <nigelb> Yeah, now I get that
[15:02] <jono> jcastro, kim0, dholbach, dpm sorry had some unity issues in oneiric
[15:02] <jono> why dont we try G+?
[15:02] <dholbach> jono, that sucks :/
[15:02] <dholbach> jono, I started a team hang out already
[15:02] <dholbach> jono, jcastro and I are already in there
[15:03] <jono> cool, one sec
[15:03] <dpm> jono, just setting it up now
[15:03] <jono> dholbach, can you invite me?
[15:04] <dholbach> jono, it's not in your timeline?
[15:04] <jono> dholbach, nope
[15:04] <nigelb> dholbach: how's G+ for you folks?
[15:04] <dholbach> jono, just a sec
[15:04] <jono> oh it is
[15:04] <dholbach> nigelb, good :)
[15:04] <nigelb> dholbach: Neat!
[15:05] <cjohnston> g+ == !fail
[15:06] <jcastro> kim0: join the hangout!
[15:06] <nigelb> cjohnston: you mean g+ != fail?
[15:06] <cjohnston> either way.. says the same
[15:06] <cjohnston> !fail being the tag
[15:06] <ubot2> cjohnston: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:06] <cjohnston> lol
[15:06] <cjohnston> shutup!
[15:07] <paultag> nigelb: dude, it's a holy prayer, dholbach's right :)
[15:07] <nigelb> paultag: :)
[15:08] <paultag> nigelb: http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
[15:08] <paultag> nigelb: that's what started it, you can see all that in there
[15:08] <Pici> !fail-#ubuntu-offtopic
[15:08] <ubot2> FATAL Error: Operation succeeded
[15:08] <paultag> hahaha
[15:08] <mhall119> nice
[15:09] <mhall119> OMG! You killd ubot2!
[15:09] <nigelb> Oh, neat!
[15:09] <cjohnston> ubot2 !failed to !fail
[15:09] <ubot2> Factoid 'failed to !fail' not found
[15:09] <paultag> !botabuse
[15:09] <ubot2> Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".
[15:10] <cjohnston> hush
[15:10] <kim0> jcastro: sorry it crashed on me
[15:10] <kim0> joining
[15:18] <jcastro> jono: hey I have to take off
[15:18] <jcastro> jono: I'd like to catch up this afternoon in more detail about other stuff
[15:18] <jcastro> bbiab
[15:28] <jono> jcastro, yup
[15:35] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week Day 4 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek)
[15:39] <nigelb> jcastro: did you change teams?
[15:51] <nigelb> dholbach: Instructor missing
[15:51] <dholbach> nigelb, on his way
[15:51] <kim0> I start in an hour right
[15:51] <nigelb> dholbach: great!
[15:51] <dholbach> kim0, yep
[15:51] <kim0> cool
[16:14] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!
[17:32] <doctormo> paultag: ping
[17:33] <paultag> doctormo: pong
[17:33]  * nigelb sits back and watches the ping pong game
[17:34] <doctormo> paultag: You have a ppa with python-javascriptcore in it, i'd like to use it but it requires python >=2.7. Is that a strict requirement?
[17:34] <paultag> doctormo: no, not at all. If you're porting back to lucid, 2.6 will work great
[17:34] <paultag> I chose 2.7 for natty →
[17:35] <doctormo> paultag: Okay, the upstream codebase fails to compile, so hopefully this one will work.
[17:35] <paultag> doctormo: I have a version that works with ludid somewhere if that fails
[17:35] <paultag> lucid *
[17:35] <paultag> but it should work
[17:36] <doctormo> paultag: ImportError: No module named Cython.Distutils
[17:36] <jcastro> jono: want to catch up now or do you want to just discuss tomorrow with kim0?
[17:37] <paultag> doctormo: sec, let me find the old version
[17:37] <kim0> I'm at the UDW session, but can do it afterwards
[17:38] <dpm> see you all tomorrow, heading to dinner with some friends, bye!
[17:38] <doctormo> paultag: I think cython is too old in maverick, from what I can tell. You should have a version requirement in your control file.
[17:39] <jono> jcastro, lets talk tomorrow
[17:39] <jono> jcastro, if that is cool with you
[17:39] <jcastro> sure
[17:39] <jcastro> jono: did your laptop get sorted?
[17:39] <paultag> doctormo: that's not mine, I was fixing bits for https://launchpad.net/~cream-packaging/+archive/unstable ← on the side
[17:39] <jono> yup
[17:39] <jono> :-)
[17:39] <paultag> doctormo: somewhere the old lucid / maverick packages are in there
[17:39] <doctormo> paultag: Apol
[17:39] <jcastro> nice, what as it?
[17:40] <paultag> jcastro: cream?
[17:40] <jcastro> paultag: I was talking to jono
[17:40] <jcastro> paultag: I like cream though!
[17:40] <paultag> ah, righto. I figured
[17:40] <jcastro> you mean cream the vim thing right?
[17:40] <jono> :-)
[17:40] <paultag> jcastro: no, the non-unity window manager. They picked a bad name :)
[17:40] <paultag> sorry, desktop enviroment
[17:41] <jcastro> hah
[17:41] <paultag> jcastro: http://cream-project.org/ ← looks sexy, and uses HTML / Javascript to write widgets
[17:41] <paultag> so they've jacked web graphic designers (dime a dozen) to write widgets
[17:41] <jcastro> oh, I remember this
[17:42] <doctormo> cream: Night club in Manchester
[17:43] <doctormo> Weird I actually have 0.14 version of cython (oneric version) so it's not old.
[17:50] <doctormo> paultag: False alarm, stray python 2.7 package installed on my computer and ref in control file.
[17:50] <paultag> doctormo: roger
[17:50] <paultag> I could have sworn it worked
[17:51] <doctormo> It does
[17:52] <paultag> awesome
[17:52] <paultag> you rock doctormo :)
[17:52] <doctormo> :-)


[00:00] <jderose> jcastro: aquarius told me to ping you about making sure my blueprint is setup correctly for UDS
[00:00] <jderose> it's still not on the schedule, don't know if i did something wrong: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-n-distributed-media-library
[00:00] <aquarius> jderose, heh, asac has just this moment commented on it to explain why it hasn't shown up :)
[00:02] <jderose> ah, didn't see that yet. :) asac: so can i rename the blueprint, or do i create a new one? thanks for the help!
[00:07] <fagan> jderose: where did you move it to?
[00:07] <jderose> Alright, renamed: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-distributed-media-library Thanks aquarius, asac!
[00:08] <fagan> that answers that
[00:08] <fagan> jderose: I dont think that is correctly named
[00:09] <jderose> fagan: okay, what should it be? (I just copied what asac suggested)
[00:09] <fagan> I think there is supposed to be a -n there somewhere too
[00:10] <fagan> so it should be multimedia-ubuntuone-n-<title>
[00:11] <jderose> fagan: hmm, i don't see "-n-" in any of the 5 latest additions here: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
[00:12] <fagan> most of the ones im subscribed to have a -n in there
[00:12] <jderose> can't hurt. :) renaming...
[00:13] <jderose> fagan: how's this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library
[00:13] <fagan> looks good
[00:13] <jderose> fagan: one other thing i'm unsure of is who the Approver should be.  Is there a specific approver for each track/team? I just picked aquarius cuz it sounded fun. :)
[00:14] <fagan> its whoever approves the blueprint so its for when the plan is approved to be put in motion
[00:14] <fagan> so just leave it as is and that will be all worked out later
[00:15] <jderose> ah, okay, i thought
[00:15] <jderose> Approver was related to getting scheduled, now i understand. thx.
[00:15] <fagan> no no its not about being scheduled
[00:16] <fagan> its all good it will be added later
[00:17] <fagan> like my one is scheduled and it has no approver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-encouraging-game-development
[00:19] <jderose> fagan: ah, okay, thanks. and that's a great blueprint, btw!
[00:20] <fagan> jderose: yeah I put a lot of work into the idea thanks
[00:20] <jderose> definitely an exciting, important area
[07:50] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <tjaalton> how does gnome decide which pdf reader is the default? it doesn't seem to obey /etc/mailcap
[07:50] <tjaalton> morning pitti :)
[07:51] <pitti> tjaalton: I think /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop does that
[07:51] <pitti> MimeType=application/pdf;application/x-bzpdf;...
[07:51] <pitti> I just don't know how it decides about default priorities when there are more than one program
[07:52] <tjaalton> pitti: right, there are other apps that have the same
[07:52] <pitti> /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml is relevant here (from shared-mime-types), but it only gives some names to MIME types, not apps
[07:54] <tjaalton> hmm ok, I'll keep searching
[09:23] <glatzor> hello mvo
[09:24] <glatzor> I added a crash module to aptdaemon. it now includes some interesting configuration data. See lp #664354
[09:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664354 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "<type 'exceptions.SystemError'>: E:Ungültige Archiv-Signatur (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664354
[09:39] <zyga> ivanka, '0', '1' t-shirts are _awesome_
[09:41] <mvo> glatzor: cool, let me check
[09:42] <mvo> glatzor: nice!
[09:46] <glatzor> hello pitti
[09:46] <glatzor> pitti, it seems that the annotation of my bug reports are not shown by apport-gtk
[09:47] <glatzor> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/annotate/head:/aptdaemon/crash.py
[09:50] <pitti> hey glatzor
[09:51] <pitti> glatzor: hm, report = apport.Report("AptDaemonCrash") might be the reason -- try "Crash"?
[09:51] <pitti> glatzor: does it write the reports into /var/crash?
[09:51] <glatzor> right
[09:52] <pitti> the ProblemType field is defined pretty rigidly (see doc/data-format.tex)
[10:01] <ivanka>  zyga: thank you!
[10:01] <zyga> ivanka, I'll make sure to send my photo to the stream :)
[10:20] <ivanka> zyga: do! it is an important ingredient
[10:26] <bilalakhtar> bratsche: Any news on GTK RGBA for natty?
[10:28] <bratsche> bilalakhtar: Nope.
[10:29] <bratsche> bilalakhtar: There is a ton of churn going on inside gdk right now, and it makes sense to focus on other things.  Like animation. :)
[10:29] <bratsche> But I would like to do this still.
[10:30] <bilalakhtar> bratsche: Yup, and the move to GTK 3 is a big task
[10:30] <bratsche> Well, that's what I'm talking about.  There's no point in trying to do RGBA fu in gtk2, and the new rendering branch hasn't been fully merged into 3 yet.
[13:24] <eagles0513875> hey Riddell i have a question for you if you have a minute
[14:01] <mvo> jcastro: hey, I was just looking over the schedule and could not find a ratings&reviews softare-center sesssion for next week. is there a way to get a list of *all* scheduled session on one page? ma<be I just overlooked it? if not, could you schedule it please?  this is the spec https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-sofware-center-ratings
[14:23] <jcastro> mvo: it's not on the schedule because it hasn't been proposed for uds-n
[14:23] <jcastro> oubiwann: you wrote this original spec, can you rename it and set it to uds-n?
[14:44] <mvo> thanks jcastro
[14:46] <jcastro> mvo: I don't have the rights to edit it but maybe oubiwann does
[15:18] <seb128> hey
[15:20] <Cimi> ciao seb128 :)
[15:21] <seb128> hey Cimi!
[15:22] <pedro_> salut seb128!
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[15:26] <seb128> hey pedro_ chrisccoulson
[15:26] <seb128> how are you?
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - good thanks. and you? enjoying orlando?
[15:26] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[15:26] <seb128> I've not seen much of Orlando but the hotel is nice
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can imagine. i keep telling my gf that i probably won't see much of orlando
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> (just to make her feel better)
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[15:28] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: the hotel actually could be much better than orlando :)
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> as long as there is a bar, then i will be happy :)
[15:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no need to worry then, there is a bar ;-)
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - excellent :)
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> i arrive mid-afternoon, which will be like evening for me
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> so, straight to the bar :)
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> (on saturday)
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> hi nessita
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> looking forward to UDS?
[15:43] <nessita> chrisccoulson: hey there! yes, how about you?
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm looking forward to it :)
[15:44] <Shred00> didrocks: did you see my msg yesterday with two more upstream evo patches?
[15:46] <didrocks> hey Shred00
[15:46] <didrocks> Shred00: let me backlog
[15:46] <Shred00> didrocks: i can repeat if you like
[15:47] <didrocks> that's fine, one sec :)
[15:48] <didrocks> Shred00: they sound to qualify for an SRU (once the current one will have sleep in the release). Do you want to work on backporting them to 2.30?
[15:49] <Shred00> didrocks: done already.  i can attach the debian/patches to the respective LP bugs if you wish
[15:50] <didrocks> Shred00: that will be great :) also, can you please retitle the bug to be more explicit and add a testcase to them as I've done for the previous SRU?
[15:58] <Shred00> didrocks: done
[15:59] <didrocks> Shred00: great, I'll have a look at them after UDS (so, in a little bit more than week). That way, we will have evo and e-d-s copied in -updates I guess
[17:22] <kenvandine> pitti, ping
[17:23] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[17:23] <kenvandine> hey pitti :)
[17:23] <kenvandine> could you look at a few SRUs ?
[17:23] <pitti> I'm already doing that
[17:23] <kenvandine> great
[17:23] <kenvandine> papyon seems pretty urgent
[17:23] <pitti> haven't done gwibber yet, the diff is OMGbig
[17:23] <kenvandine> yeah, i fixed a ton of bugs :)
[17:24] <kenvandine> tomboy would be good to
[17:25] <kenvandine> but the papyon bug got nearly 50 comments over night...
[17:25] <pitti> ah, the MSN thing, right
[17:29] <pitti> kenvandine: papyon> we can copy m-proposed to natty, so don't worry about a natty upload
[17:30] <pitti> kenvandine: is bug 627744 actually an issue in indicator-application?
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627744 in tomboy (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Tomboy note names are blank in the Application Indicator fallback menu (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 96)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627744
[17:30] <kenvandine> no
[17:30] <kenvandine> it is in the appindicator patch for tomboy
[17:31] <pitti> ok, please invalidate that task then
[17:32] <kenvandine> ok
[17:33] <kenvandine> for gwibber i might have another upload real soon... with a more reliable fix for the libproxy crasher
[17:34] <kenvandine> what is in unapproved is much better than what is in maverick now... but it still crashes sometimes on amd64
[17:35] <kenvandine> but it won't be before tomorrow, i need to let it run for a while
[17:36] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks for working on that
[17:36] <kenvandine> np
[17:37] <seb128> kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tombiy plans for this cycle?
[17:37] <kenvandine> i don't
[17:37] <seb128> kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tomboy plans for this cycle?
[17:37] <seb128> context, it should stop using bonobo
[17:37] <seb128> so either the applet needs to be ported to the new dbus applet protocol or to be dropped
[17:38] <seb128> is the applet doing anything different from the appindicator or status icon?
[17:39] <jcastro> seb128: most of the plans are snowy related, nothing major desktop wise afaik
[17:40] <seb128> jcastro, what will they do from the applet in the gnome-shell world?
[17:40] <seb128> can somebody try to figure?
[17:40] <jcastro> he has no idea what to do yet
[17:40] <seb128> would they be unhappy at us if we just drop the applet from our build?
[17:40] <jcastro> I asked him last week, I bet he'll sort something at the summit
[17:40] <jcastro> I can ask
[17:40] <seb128> jcastro, that would be nice
[17:41] <seb128> thanks
[17:41] <rodrigo__> seb128: not really in detail
[17:41] <seb128> without the applet we could drop the gnomevfs-cil out of default installation
[17:42] <seb128> libgnomeui-cil as well
[18:10] <kklimonda_> has it been decided for how long are we going to ship both gtk2 and gtk3?
[18:10] <devildante> kklimonda_: idk, but I suppose we'll ship both of them for 11.04
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> definately, seeing as firefox will not be using gtk3 for a while anyway
[18:12] <kklimonda_> heh, firefox and its "gtk+" support ;)
[18:12] <fagan> chrisccoulson: but will firefox be shipped?
[18:12] <kklimonda_> "support" ;)
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> fagan - i hope so!
[18:12]  * fagan would love if we had Chromium
[18:12] <kklimonda_> fagan: imo chrome still isn't a perfect replacement for firefox at this point
[18:12]  * devildante would wait for firefox 4
[18:13] <fagan> yeah i know that but chromium is better in terms of the tech in it
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> why?
[18:13] <micahg> devildante: ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next for beta 6 :)
[18:13] <fagan> well webkit is a much better engine
[18:13] <devildante> micahg, thanks :)
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> is it? :/
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> in what way is it better?
[18:14] <fagan> and xul isnt good at all
[18:14] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: didn't you get a memo? ;)
[18:14] <micahg> fagan: nope, Firefox 4 just passed webkit on teh sunspider test :P
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> fagan - what isn't good about it?
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> i think our security team will disagree about webkit being better ;)
[18:14] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: I guess the main problem with xul that people have is lack of stable api and abi
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> right, but who cares about that for the browser. that doesn't really affect firefox
[18:15] <fagan> and the fact that chromium uses xdg-open when opening files
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> fagan - xdg-open sucks. firefox uses the gnome libraries instead
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> anyway, those are all minor details
[18:16] <devildante> yeah
[18:16] <fagan> yeah
[18:16] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: my two main gripes with firefox is that it uses a lot of memory and doesn't use gnome libraries for storing passwords etc.. oh, and its gtk+ "support" sucks
[18:16]  * fagan mainly wants it in for personal preference
[18:17] <fagan> whats the translations support like for both of them
[18:17] <fagan> I remember hearing both are bad for that
[18:17] <devildante> I suppose firefox translations are better, since they are older
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda_, - it's "gtk support sucks" is mainly because it uses xul, which is cross platform
[18:17] <devildante> but idk
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> using real gtk widgets means that it would depend on a lot more stuff that isn't cross-platform
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> which is a pain
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> and it uses the same engine for rendering widgets as it does for rendering web content
[18:18] <devildante> using Qt would have solved that problem
[18:18] <devildante> ;)
[18:19] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: I know, I'm not a fan of cross-platform technologies, they tend to look equally out of place on every platform ;)
[18:19] <kklimonda_> Qt doesn't make use of gio and gvfs
[18:19] <devildante> ah...
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> well, i guess FF-4.0 will look even less native now it has ditched the native GTK tabs
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> for much nicer looking ones
[18:19] <kklimonda_> and probably few dozens of small gnome libraries
[18:20] <devildante> the ideal way in terms of integration is if we created our own browser :p
[18:20] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: heh, that actually makes sense when you remember that all browser vendors are pushing "web browser as a platform" idea..
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[18:21] <kklimonda_> at some point people are going to use Linux as the cheapest backend for their browser.. and then access even less free internet on it
[18:28] <kenvandine> pitti, i just uploaded the papyon fix to lucid-proposed too
[18:39] <jderose> asac: the Distributed Media Library blueprint still isn't on the list, is there anything else I need to do?
[18:54] <asac> jderose: you have the url for the blueprint again?
[18:55] <nigelb> kenvandine: facebook doesn't even read the bug reports apparently :/
[18:57] <kenvandine> nigelb, yeah :/
[18:58] <jderose> asac: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library
[19:10] <Sofox> mpt: Sorry for bothering you but I have a question and I was told you could help: What exactly is the current situation with paid apps in the Software Center?
[19:19] <asac> jderose: accepted for uds-n ... check in 1h if its scheduled...otherwise let me know
[19:20] <asac> jderose: ensure that those that need to be there are marked essential ... and if the time still doesnt suite you we can move it manually (but i would prefer to not do manually scheduling as long as possible )
[19:29] <mpt> Sofox, currently it's manual inclusion (by contacting Canonical), but we're wanting to automate it as quickly as possible.
[19:31] <Sofox> Ah, so will commercial games like World of Goo appear in UDS soon?
[19:32] <Sofox> But thanks for answering, I apperciate it.
[19:33] <jderose> asac: awesome, thank you! will check it in an hour.
[19:37] <heikoc> hi
[20:30] <cyphermox> bbl
[21:15] <fagan> mpt: sorry ill have to get that screenshot for you tomorrow the install crapped out on my and I had to go
[21:16] <fagan> alls good though ill get it
[21:18] <fagan> me not my
[22:56] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[22:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey, are you in orlando?
[22:59] <seb128> yes, dx sprint
[23:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, man, this gobject-introspection stuff is driving me crazy...
[23:00] <seb128> what is the issue?
[23:03] <robert_ancell> webkit turned out to be a real pain.  It kept failing to build on my vm, had different results when I uploaded it.  And takes 1hr to build.  And then I have to wait for each dependency to get published so I can build the next one in the chain on the build servers.
[23:03] <seb128> right, abi transition are annoying
[23:03] <robert_ancell> You could change the build depencency versions in the control file but it would be very misleading
[23:04] <robert_ancell> and then there's always an arch that lags behind (I'm looking at you ppc)
[23:04] <seb128> right, I tend to avoid doing that
[23:04] <seb128> I just retry builds
[23:04] <seb128> but we got the basic libraries rebuilt
[23:04] <seb128> I would not bother about rebuilding everything
[23:05] <seb128> things will get rebuilt over time when uploaded
[23:05] <robert_ancell> the problem is clutter is broken from this - and it's on the end of a long chain of packages from gobject-introspection!
[23:05] <seb128> right
[23:05] <seb128> ok, got to go
[23:06] <seb128> end of day here
[23:06] <robert_ancell> ok, see you soon!
[23:06] <seb128> when do you arrive?
[23:06] <robert_ancell> evening Sunday
[23:06] <devildante> sometimes, I think maybe it's wiser to stay a prospective developer :p
[23:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, see you
[23:06] <robert_ancell> devildante, :)


[16:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104492301562638456962/posts/Lt5BrNyXARb
[16:51] <highvoltage> stgraber: that's all very awesome (especially the server software selection screen!)
[22:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: and now the domain joining script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1308318/


[02:22] <emma> Hi there jussi01
[02:27] <nalioth> hi emma
[02:27] <emma> Hi :)
[02:27] <nalioth> anything we can help you with?
[02:34] <emma> Nope. Just hanging out. I haven't been on irssi since the fire. But I've rebuilt a desktop computer and now I've salvaged my old irssi config file. So I got dropped into all the old channels on start up.
[02:34] <nalioth> :)
[02:35] <emma> :)
[20:53] <Ddorda01> hey all :D
[22:34] <DJones> !download
[22:34] <DJones> Can somebody update the !download factoid, its referring to Jaunty, presumably should now be karmic
[22:54] <Ddorda01> erm.. is there a problem with the mail addresses script?
[22:54] <Ddorda01> 48 hours passed before 24 hours :S
[22:55] <Ddorda01> still the address doesn't work
[22:57] <nalioth> Ddorda01: may i inquire as to what you're talking about?
[22:57] <Ddorda01> I'm a fresh ubuntu member
[22:58] <Ddorda01> I saw that I get automatically a mail alias in 48 hours
[22:58] <Ddorda01> but it's 24 hours since it was 48 - still no mail alias...
[22:59] <tsimpson> !download | DJones
[23:00] <nalioth> Ddorda01: until you identify to services, we don't know who you are  :/
[23:00] <DJones> tsimpson: Cheers, just noticed it linked wrongly last time i used in #u
[23:00] <Ddorda01> oh.. sorry..
[23:00] <nalioth> and as far as email aliases, well, i somehow think that you got your membership at a very busy time for Ubuntu
[23:02] <Ddorda> but it's a script
[23:03] <Ddorda> you think that someones running it manually?
[23:05] <nalioth> Ddorda: they may run it once a week on the same time and same day
[23:05] <nalioth> cronjob?
[23:07] <Ddorda> maybe..
[23:08] <Ddorda> well in the wiki it says that it's once in 48 hours
[23:12]  * nalioth has no idea
[23:12] <nalioth> but patience is a virtue  :)
[23:55] <Ddorda> nalioth: well, I hope it will happen this week, thanks a lot :D
[23:55] <Ddorda> btw, is there anything interesting in the open week today or tomorrow?
[23:56] <erUSUL> Ddorda: is over
[23:57] <Ddorda> oh.. oops :P
[23:58] <erUSUL> Ddorda: last one ended at 23:00 UTC fryday XD
[23:58] <Ddorda> it was from Monday to Friday..?
[23:59] <erUSUL> Ddorda: correct
[23:59] <erUSUL> Ddorda: you can read the logs though
[23:59] <Ddorda> and they call it a week? :)
[23:59] <erUSUL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[23:59] <erUSUL> Ddorda: working week :)


[03:00] <otaku> Hey I need a hand with making script button with unity.  I have made the button however I think my problem it requires root priv to exec
[03:01] <otaku> these are my scripts
[03:01] <otaku> http://pastebin.com/mhayTXeG
[03:01] <otaku> http://pastebin.com/LGGXbWGS
[03:13] <otaku> I have to go, but i anyone can help and sees this message could you pls email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:24] <tsdgeos> dednick: did you finish running the tests for https://code.launchpad.net/~allanlesage/unity8/autopilot-indicator-page-title-matches-widget/+merge/196991 ?
[09:25] <dednick> tsdgeos: yeah, but i had some random failures in non-related tests, so I need to run again
[09:25] <tsdgeos> dednick: seen the comment i made on the other indicator test? can you repro the issue?
[09:25] <dednick> tsdgeos: will take a look now
[09:26] <tsdgeos> oki
[09:30] <dednick> tsdgeos: was that on device?
[09:30] <tsdgeos> dednick: no
[09:31] <dednick> tsdgeos: and I'm presuming the thing you're talking about is the tab bar?
[09:31] <tsdgeos> dednick: yes, the text is cut as you see on the screenshot
[09:31] <dednick> tsdgeos: what happens when you move?
[09:32] <dednick> tsdgeos: i can't repro
[09:32] <dednick> in other words
[09:32] <dednick> oh, it just happened. weird
[09:32] <tsdgeos> well if i move it moves to a different indicator
[09:32] <tsdgeos> and when i'm back it works
[09:33] <dednick> tsdgeos: hm. it only happened once... finding hard to repro
[09:34] <tsdgeos> happens 90% of the cases here
[09:34] <tsdgeos> the other times it travels from the right
[09:34] <tsdgeos> which is also unxpected
[09:35] <dednick> tsdgeos: which qt ver you on?
[09:35] <dednick> 5.2.1?
[09:35] <tsdgeos> no
[09:35] <tsdgeos> 5.0.2
[09:35] <tsdgeos> as everyone is
[09:35] <dednick> hmm
[09:36] <dednick> tsdgeos: does it happen when you don't unlock?
[09:37] <tsdgeos> yes
[09:37] <tsdgeos> seems the unlock step is not needed
[09:37] <dednick> so litterally just "press hold on the messaging icon without move"?
[09:37] <tsdgeos> yep
[09:38] <tsdgeos> otoh it's an improvement
[09:38] <tsdgeos> since if i doo that on the current master
[09:38] <tsdgeos> i get the networking tex
[09:38] <tsdgeos> t
[09:39] <dednick> ehhe
[09:41] <dednick> tsdgeos: and only first time you open indicators?
[09:42] <tsdgeos> yes
[09:49] <dednick> tsdgeos: i think it may be a bug in the tabs
[09:51] <dednick> tsdgeos: i think because tabs are being inserted dynamically before the one which is currently selected, it's not adjusting.
[09:52] <dednick> tsdgeos: let me just confirm in a separate test
[09:55] <kgunn> greyback: ricmm_ so we're gonna promote latest mir, looks like client abi broke...so just
[09:55] <kgunn> need to invoke a rebuild for clients
[09:56] <kgunn> is it only papi & unity-mir ?
[09:56] <kgunn> or...does something else use client api?
[09:57] <greyback> kgunn: nothing else uses it
[10:28] <Saviq> didrocks, hey, if you have a sec, can you tell me who to talk to about PPA issues?
[10:29] <didrocks> Saviq: depends on the ppa, is it a general launchpad issue or something else ?
[10:30] <Saviq> didrocks, rather general: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162419907/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.capnproto_0.4.0-0ppa~5~ubuntu13.10.3_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[10:30] <Saviq> didrocks, it's running kernel 2.6
[10:30] <Saviq> didrocks, it's a virt ppa
[10:30] <Saviq> didrocks, and tests fail there because of the old kernel
[10:31] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, you need to ping the soyuz support channel then
[10:50] <dednick> tsdgeos: it's a ubuntu-ui-toolkit bug. I'll raise it with sdk
[10:53] <tsdgeos> dednick: oki
[10:54] <tsdgeos> dednick: can you link the bug in the review?
[10:54] <tsdgeos> as a comment
[10:54] <dednick> tsdgeos: sure
[11:46] <tsdgeos> dednick: do you have a simple test you can attach to that bug?
[11:46] <dednick> tsdgeos: test for what?
[11:46] <tsdgeos> dednick: for the misalignment
[11:46] <dednick> oh, you mean the sdk bug?
[11:46] <tsdgeos> yep
[11:47] <dednick> tsdgeos: yeah
[11:48] <tsdgeos> dednick: then you should probably add it to make it easier for the sdk guys to test it instead of them having to start unity8
[11:48] <dednick> well - "simple"
[11:48] <tsdgeos> simpler than compiling unity8 for someone that doesn't do it very often i hope :D
[11:49] <dednick> tsdgeos: I'm trying to add the test directly into the sdk branch, so they can just fix it from there...
[11:49] <tsdgeos> ok
[12:13] <sil2100> greyback: hello!
[12:13] <greyback> sil2100: hey
[12:13] <sil2100> greyback: just wanted to get a big upper confirmation - are all components for the dimention support for sidestage landed and ready for release?
[12:14] <sil2100> greyback: since we saw the unity-mir merge landing already
[12:15] <greyback> sil2100: correct. unity-mir would need to released too, as without the experience is broken
[12:16] <sil2100> greyback: ok, so the components to release are: platform-api, qtubuntu and unity-mir, right?
[12:16] <greyback> sil2100: correct
[13:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, organicgrid conflicted
[13:56] <tsdgeos> booo
[13:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: tx
[14:02] <Saviq> mhall119, good news, we found the issue with u8 deps on saucy
[14:02] <tsdgeos> come on
[14:02] <tsdgeos> 1: /home/tsdgeos_work/phablet/unity8/organicgrid/plugins/DashViews/organicgrid.cpp: multiple new lines at end of file
[14:02] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ;)
[14:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should've `make testwhitespace` before ;)
[14:03] <Saviq> or whatever
[14:03] <tsdgeos> yeah i did before actually
[14:03] <tsdgeos> the test still didn't get there
[14:05] <tsdgeos> dandrader: organic grid is up at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/organicgrid/+merge/201586 you taking care of it?
[14:06] <dandrader> yes, I can review it.
[14:17] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ah one thing i wanted to ask you, in the journals i print a warning when the delegate width/height do not match the width/height set to the journal
[14:18] <tsdgeos> but in the organicgrid i think it's better not to do that, since you don't know if it'll end up in a big or a small delegate spot (well you know but it'd mean add an if in the qml side that i don't think gives us much)
[14:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: opinion?
[14:18] <tsdgeos> dandrader|lunch: ↑↑
[14:27] <mhall119> Saviq: \o/
[14:27] <mhall119> Saviq: so can I build it now?
[14:28] <Saviq> mhall119, would be great if you tried
[14:28] <Saviq> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ppa
[14:29] <mhall119> Saviq: will do
[14:29] <MacSlow> Saviq, my main system is bricked atm and I can't connect to mumble atm as I'm missing the certificat password...
[14:30] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ?¿
[14:30] <tsdgeos> ouch
[14:30] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ok, fill in your stuff in the document :D
[14:31] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I have kernel-panics all over the place after trying to update the UbuntuTouch emulator... fighting with this the whole day to solve... and on my laptop my mumble-setup only has the old certificate for mumble
[14:31] <karni> You guys keeping some SU notes, right? I've been to a team that did Mumble standup, another one did IRC standup, current one does Hangout, and this one does Mumble again :)
[14:38] <tsdgeos> karni: yes, we keep standup notes
[14:38] <karni> good :)
[14:42] <Saviq> mhall119, ah, and you need the sdk-team PPA, but that you probably have already
[14:59] <mhall119> Saviq: the unity-team ppa isn't going to break my desktop unity is it?
[15:03] <Saviq> mhall119, no
[15:07] <dandrader> tsdgeos, can't run DashViews tests anymore
[15:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, $/builddir/make [try|test]Foo fails
[15:08] <dandrader> (missing make targets)
[15:09] <tsdgeos> ?¿
[15:09] <tsdgeos> really
[15:09] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:09] <tsdgeos> i did use that :D
[15:10] <karni> tsdgeos: I noticed verticaljournal extends QQuickItem, thus does not have properties like: interactive, flicking, moving, pressDelay from Flickable (i.e. like GridView). Do we care?
[15:10] <dednick> dandrader: ping
[15:10] <dandrader> dednick, pong
[15:10] <tsdgeos> karni: yes, the vertical journal is not flickable, you have to put it inside a list to move it
[15:10] <karni> tsdgeos: gotcha
[15:10] <tsdgeos> karni: basically if you look at the dash, it's a list with things inside
[15:11] <tsdgeos> the journal is one of those things
[15:11] <karni> tsdgeos: ACK :)
[15:11] <tsdgeos> dandrader: make testOrganicgrid just worked here
[15:11] <tsdgeos> dandrader: doesn't work for you?
[15:11] <karni> tsdgeos: Since I already have your attention - verticaljournal keeps track of it's implicit height, right?
[15:11] <tsdgeos> karni: yes
[15:11] <karni> so that I can tell whether it's clipped or not. great.
[15:11] <dednick> dandrader: howdy. just noticed something a bit odd with the DragHandles when using a hint. It looks like if you click for hint, then drag, the displacement is getting reset to 0. causes a bit of a flash as you drag.
[15:12] <dandrader> ahhhhhhhh
[15:12] <dednick> dandrader: can see it either in indicators or tryDragHandle
[15:12] <dandrader> its testOrganicgrid, not testOrganicGrid
[15:12] <dednick> dandrader: want me just to log a bug?
[15:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, can you fix that (and for the others as well)?
[15:12] <tsdgeos> dandrader: actually i can't
[15:12] <tsdgeos> since the name is autogenerated
[15:12]  * karni agrees testOrganicGrid would be more intuitive, that'd bite me too :)
[15:13] <karni> oh :(
[15:13] <tsdgeos> that's why you guys use the tab to autocomplete
[15:13] <karni> hahah
[15:13] <tsdgeos> make testO<TAB>
[15:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, everywhere else is testFooBar, not testFoobar
[15:13] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i know
[15:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, if there's a will, there's a way
[15:13] <tsdgeos> dandrader: there is a way, i don't feel like doing it, moreover when you already approved the current naming
[15:14] <tsdgeos> moving the goal posts is not fun
[15:14] <dandrader> dednick, can you reproduce it with "make tryDragHandle"?
[15:14] <dednick> dandrader: ya
[15:15] <dednick> dandrader: i'll just create a bug and assign you.
[15:15] <tsdgeos> bah
[15:15]  * tsdgeos shuts up and changes the capitalization
[15:15] <dandrader> dednick, yeah, just saw the bug you described
[15:16] <dandrader> with make tryDragHandle
[15:16] <dandrader> that's definitely a regression
[15:16] <dandrader> wasn't there before
[15:16] <dednick> dandrader: cool. i'll log it.
[15:16] <Saviq> mhall119, there's a package missing in the ppa, just setting up the recipe
[15:17] <tsdgeos> dandrader: pushed
[15:17] <dandrader> tsdgeos, It slipped past me. If I had noticed it before I would not approve it :)
[15:17] <karni> tsdgeos: verticaljournal has no currentIndex, like GridView in grid layout would, to track hilight/currently selected item. Do we care? :)
[15:18] <dandrader> tsdgeos, the whole point of standardized make test/try targets is to make them predictable so that you don't have to look at the corresponding CMakelists.txt to find out how the heck to summon it
[15:18] <karni> tsdgeos: Sorry for those questions, I'm just going through that code and saying out loud if I have any worries/doubts :)
[15:18] <tsdgeos> karni: that's a good question, yes it has no index concept
[15:18] <dandrader> you just have to known the name of the class and that's it
[15:19] <karni> tsdgeos: Should I file a bug, so we don't forget?
[15:19] <karni> tsdgeos: OR, it does not and will not have index concept?
[15:19] <karni> Maybe that's what you meant.
[15:19] <tsdgeos> karni: don't know, i guess we will need one to do keyboard navigation
[15:19] <tsdgeos> other than keyboard navigation i don't see us needing one
[15:20] <tsdgeos> maybe for previews too
[15:20] <tsdgeos> since you can switch to next/previous there
[15:20] <karni> tsdgeos: ok. I'll log a bug, just in case. Should I assign you, or leave it be for someone to pick it at some point?
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so... we don't need the workaround that you've merged yesterday any more...
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm tempted to uncommit it...
[15:21] <tsdgeos> Saviq: the one for the python stuff?
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, got fixed since yesterday...
[15:22] <tsdgeos> karni: yeah file a bug, assign it to me, will think about it
[15:22] <karni> okay
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: is the change wrong?
[15:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's not, but unnecessary
[15:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok never mind, will put it in my "various fixes" branch
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, reverting it is another unnecessary change then :D
[15:23] <tsdgeos> but yeah, don't have an opinion
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that's why I'm saying uncommit ;)
[15:23] <tsdgeos> ah
[15:23] <Saviq> not revert
[15:23] <tsdgeos> you mean uncommit and force push
[15:23] <Saviq> since it's still the tip
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[15:23] <tsdgeos> brrrrrr
[15:23] <Saviq> ok then no
[15:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/clean-deps/+merge/201608 though
[15:25]  * tsdgeos clicks
[15:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: don't need unity-mir at all?
[15:26] <tsdgeos> ah
[15:26] <tsdgeos> the libunity-mir-dev thing already wroks
[15:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup
[15:27] <tsdgeos> Saviq: approved
[15:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, thanks, let's see what CI says
[15:28] <tsdgeos> fail in otoo :D
[15:28] <tsdgeos> otto
[15:29] <fginther> Saviq, the recent unity8 otto runs have unity8 crash files now. Unfortunately, I don't think they've been retraced so probably of no use
[15:35] <mhall119> Saviq: just let me know when it's ready and I'll update/upgrade/rebuild
[15:40] <fginther> Saviq, wow, that last message I sent you was completely wrong. The unity8 otto tests are now passing. I was looking at a mako test and saw the crashdump.
[15:43] <tsdgeos> fginther: are they? i saw lots of red
[15:47] <fginther> tsdgeos, I guess I may have jumped to soon, but the most recent run passed the otto test: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity8-ci/2060/console
[15:48] <tsdgeos> interesting
[15:49] <tsdgeos> well maybe as it came it went away?¿
[15:49] <fginther> tsdgeos, another recent run also had just one failure: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/2044/testReport/
[15:49] <tsdgeos> why was i away?¿ D:
[15:49] <dandrader> tsdgeos, in make tryOrganicGrid, press "add" until you have 10 items (up to index 9)
[15:50] <tsdgeos> do i make the window bigger?
[15:50] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I wonder if the designer considered this situation
[15:50] <dandrader> tsdgeos, looks bad if you ask me
[15:50] <dandrader> this meaningless void on the right hand side
[15:51] <tsdgeos> dandrader: the same whole that if you only have 4 items, no?
[15:51] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes
[15:52] <dandrader> tsdgeos,  but it just looks worse when you have that on the second component
[15:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: the "real" sizing of the delegates will probably make it a bit less bad
[15:52] <tsdgeos> but yeah it's not ultra cool
[15:53] <tsdgeos> i guess the designers idea is that it'll always there be "enough" stuff
[15:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I don't know. it feels like its working against usability
[15:53] <tsdgeos> but let me see what the gallery does
[15:53] <tsdgeos> if i can start the phone :D
[15:55] <dandrader> tsdgeos, maybe the order of items in a "module" should be different if there are less than 6 items
[15:55] <dandrader> tsdgeos, because the layout when there are only 4 items in the module just doens't make sense
[15:56] <dandrader> tsdgeos, and I'm starting to think designers out to agree on that point
[15:56] <dandrader> s/out/ought
[15:57] <karni> tsdgeos: thanks for looking into the currentIndex thing already.
[15:57] <tsdgeos> dandrader: if you have the phone working (i need to reflash it) take 4 pictures with the camera and see what the gallery shows
[15:59] <dandrader> tsdgeos, hmm, I also think I have to reflash mine (galaxy nexus). didn' t touch it since I got the nexus 10 on last sprint
[15:59] <tsdgeos> dandrader: use the nexus10 then :D
[15:59] <tsdgeos> should have the gallery app too
[16:00] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I'm using it for the qml mir compositor work
[16:00] <tsdgeos> ah
[16:00] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:00] <tsdgeos> well then let's wait 10 min until mine gets flashed
[16:00] <dandrader> I'm flashing mine as well
[16:01] <dandrader> tsdgeos, btw, the filling order works very well horizontally (if you make the tryOrganicGrid window very wide and start adding items to it)
[16:02] <tsdgeos> the gallery-app is horizontal
[16:02] <tsdgeos> maybe that's why it doesn't look bad there
[16:03] <karni> tsdgeos: I wonder if it would be worth to expose columns (count) in vertical journal. It has the columnWidth property, but that means 'columns' has to be calculated in QML, even though you already do that in cpp.
[16:04] <tsdgeos> karni: isn't it backwards? you know how much space you have and how much columns you need and then set the columnwidth?
[16:04] <tsdgeos> well not really that
[16:04] <tsdgeos> as far as i understand
[16:04] <tsdgeos> you know the width
[16:05] <tsdgeos> and you know your columns have to me between 10 and 20, so you calculate the proper sizes (10 and 20 are random numbers i just invented)
[16:05] <tsdgeos> at least that's how i understand it
[16:05] <karni> brb standup, sorry!
[16:05] <tsdgeos> fginther: yeah the organicgrid otto tests passed :o
[16:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you have katie in there?
[16:10] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I believe they've reached EOD there
[16:10] <tsdgeos> but aren't they behind?
[16:12] <karni> tsdgeos: d'oh, sure. you're right :)
[16:12] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ok, i'll take a screenshot and send it via email to saviq, katie, you then, ok?
[16:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok, thanks!
[16:14] <greyback> tsdgeos: yep, we've hit eod
[16:14] <karni> tsdgeos: Can I ask one question about your code? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6751191/
[16:17] <karni> tsdgeos: In my understanding, in RespGridView we subtract spacing/2 from width (say, left margin), and divide the rest over colWidth+colSpacing() (so, this excludes right margin, because that is included in the added columnSpacing already)
[16:17] <karni> tsdgeos: If that doesn't make mush sense, or you don't feel like talking about pixel perfect shit, just be honest with me :D I'll leave hahah.
[16:17] <karni> I just thought I'd bring up that small inconsistency I noticed.
[16:18] <tsdgeos> karni: i think the difference is that responsivegridview takes into account the outer spacing while the journals do not
[16:18] <tsdgeos> i.e. journal will put stuff at 0,0
[16:18] <tsdgeos> and responsivegridview probabbly not
[16:19] <tsdgeos> the journal way is a bit more versatily since it allows you to have a different inner spacing and outer spacing
[16:19] <tsdgeos> in case you want that
[16:19] <tsdgeos> am i making sense?
[16:20] <karni> oh, that makes sense. I must have not realized journal could put stuff at 0,0 instead spacing/2, 0
[16:20] <karni> tsdgeos: yes, makes sense. thanks
[16:21] <karni> Wouldn't then
[16:21] <karni> const int nColumns = qMax(1., floor((double)(width() + columnSpacing()) / (m_columnWidth + columnSpacing())))
[16:21] <tsdgeos> dandrader: mail sent, does it make sense to you?
[16:21] <karni> be
[16:21] <karni> const int nColumns = qMax(1., floor((double)(width()) / (m_columnWidth + columnSpacing())))
[16:22] <tsdgeos> nope
[16:22] <karni> If you can put stuff at 0,0 (no left margin)
[16:22] <tsdgeos> the last column doesn't get a columnspacing
[16:22] <karni> oh
[16:22] <karni> :D thanks tsdgeos
[16:23] <tsdgeos> width = ncolumns * columnWidth + ncolumns * (columnSpacing -  1)
[16:23] <tsdgeos> now do the math
[16:23]  * karni is really enjoying exploring this code base
[16:23] <tsdgeos> and you end up with the other formula
[16:23] <karni> correct
[16:28] <tsdgeos> karni: cool, hope that it means the code is not so bad :D
[16:29] <karni> tsdgeos: hahahahah, it's gooooooooood /me makes Bruce Almighty impression
[16:29] <karni> :)
[16:32]  * tsdgeos pretends to know who is that Bruce something
[16:32] <karni> tsdgeos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVCe0oWdnrE
[16:34] <tsdgeos> ahh
[16:34] <karni> :)
[16:34] <tsdgeos> title translations always are creative here
[16:34] <tsdgeos> that movie was called "Like God"
[16:34] <karni> tsdgeos: I guess. That's why I always hunt for original titles :)
[16:35] <karni> translation to Polish was, in this case, very adequate to the original. but yeah, I get your point, some are really terrible :)
[16:59] <tsdgeos> dandrader: right the docu is missing
[17:00] <tsdgeos> and the ascii art too
[17:00] <tsdgeos> will do tomorrow
[17:00] <tsdgeos> getting eod'ed here
[17:00] <dandrader> ok


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