[00:00] <head_victim> lontra: just checking the control centre
[00:03] <gilir> phillw: good news :)
[00:04] <head_victim> gilir: to keep it consistent I'm really just ripping off phillw's howto for minimal and changing what needs it :)
[00:11] <gilir> head_victim: sounds good :)
[00:12]  * gilir is a bite disconnected, it will be better next week :)
[00:12] <phillw> gilir: how do I do about torretning the little horror (I mean iso)
[00:13] <phillw> gilir: let me try that again... slowly; How do I go about getting the iso torrented ?
[00:15] <gilir> phillw: do you create the file .torrent for it ?
[00:16] <phillw> it's sat on my server, whilst they will allow betas of lubuntu on there, they do not allow torrenting or IRC stuff.
[00:17] <phillw> gilir: Derrick, however, will once we get the ubuntu 10.10 server set up on his dedicated server :)
[00:20] <lontra> so my fonts at lxdm are sharp but when i enter lxde they are all fuzzy ... any ideas? it's really quite painful to my eyes
[00:21] <phillw> lontra: I've been following the chat, but I'm sorry that I have no ideas as to what the problem may be. :'(
[00:22] <lontra> yeah googling this doesn't seem to solve anything
[00:23] <lontra> i tried using gnome-appearance-properties but that only installs gnome and then it doesn't work in lxde anyways
[00:23] <phillw> lontra: could you ask on the mailing list? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved  We don't spam, and there could well be one of the people there who can help you.
[00:24] <lontra> the lxde developers mailiing list?
[00:25] <lontra> brb
[00:25] <phillw> we all work in different time zones, no, the lubuntu mailing list - if we get no joy from there, then feel free to ask on the lxde group; I'd prefer it is sorted within lubuntu as someone else will have the same problem. But you're welcome to mail both lists.
[00:26] <lontra> ok
[00:26] <gilir> phillw: To start the torrent, it will be nice that people which have the .iso, also download the torrent, so they can immediatly start to seed the .iso
[00:27] <phillw> gilir: okies, I can seed for a while as I've just topped my 3G dongle up.
[00:28] <phillw> gilir: once head_victim has got it written up, I'll email the list and ask that people become seeders.
[00:31] <lontra> phillw, i don't actually see mailing list
[00:35] <phillw> gilir: it was quite an outstanding piece of work. Reading the email I could barely follow the convoluted process that was needed, but do seem to have a working alternate install :D
[00:37] <lontra> so i have to join the lubuntu team to be on the mailing list?
[00:37] <gilir> phillw: yes, it will be very useful :)
[00:38] <phillw> lontra: As far as I know, you need a launchpad account to join a mailing list.
[00:42] <phillw> gilir: just on the other topic of i586, is it feasable to support 10.04 ?
[00:45] <lontra> phillw, email sent ... i think
[00:49] <lontra> yeah if you look here ... http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/enable-smooth-fonts-on-ubuntu-linux/
[00:49] <lontra> i want the first image not the second image
[00:49] <gilir> phillw: if it's only support updates for LXDE packages and Lubuntu specific packages, yes it's feasable
[00:50] <gilir> phillw: it could also be a good training for someone who want to start learning packaging ;)
[00:51] <phillw> gilir: I've just read the email. I have no problem with the 10.04 link back up, seems like we do need it.
[00:51] <phillw> gilir: I'll ask on UBT to see if there is a slave who is interested in that (ooops, meant padawan).
[00:53] <phillw> I've currently got my maximum of 2, although I may granted an exception for bioterror.
[00:53] <lontra> does lxde get it's fonts from a separate place than lxdm?
[00:53] <phillw> gilir: ^^^ ?
[00:55] <lontra> again brb
[00:55]  * lontra playing and testing fonts
[00:56] <gilir> ah fonts problem ...
[00:59] <gilir> the only way to modify fonts with a GUI, is to used lxfontconfig, in lxadmin (using this PPA https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lxadmin-team/+archive/testing)
[01:00]  * gilir is leaving
[01:05] <head_victim> lontra: I think I lead you astray it's possible font rendering isn't available to Lubuntu but you might just be able to sort it out by adjusting the default fonts or the size of them.
[01:31] <Mountian_Man> hello, have i joined the lubuntu channel correctly
[01:31] <Mountian_Man> ?
[01:32] <head_victim> Yes
[01:32] <head_victim> This is the support channel for Lubuntu :)
[01:33] <szczur> and we're here to help you :)
[01:33] <Mountian_Man> thank you head_victim. does anyone know how to use different screen resolutions for different uses?
[01:35] <Mountian_Man> I have two users who need large letters for their poor vision. while the other two of us, would really prefer fitting as much info on the screen as possible. however i havnt found a way to save resolution preferences per user. the only way i can find to adjust the resolution, does so for all user. :(
[01:36] <slooksterpsv1> hmmm are they using ldm or gdm as their display manager?
[01:37] <slooksterpsv1> *lxdm
[01:37] <szczur> slooksterpsv1, we're using lxdm as display manager
[01:38] <phillw> hiyas slooksterpsv1
[01:38] <slooksterpsv1> yeah I should know that one; I think gdm may have better results in changing the resolution when changing users
[01:38] <slooksterpsv1> ih phillw
[01:39] <slooksterpsv1> I can't say for sure, but... well I'll try it in a vm and let you know if that works ok Mountian_Man
[01:39] <Mountian_Man> I am sorry, I am still learning linux. it is the default. the cammand (when i looked under propperties of the icon) is " lxrand" i think sorry ditracted by toddler
[01:40] <phillw> Mountian_Man: If they sign on as different users it should save their profiles
[01:41] <phillw> lxrand is the one to alter screen properties, however it should remember them for each user.
[01:41] <stlsaint> xfce and lxde are more amazing everytime i see them :D
[01:41] <Mountian_Man> nope i have signed in as each user individually and it adjusts the resolution for all. (preferences>monitor settings)
[01:42] <phillw> Mountian_Man: I'll file a bug, the devs will get it fixed for you, just give them a bit of time.
[01:43] <slooksterpsv1> nope that didn't work :(
[01:44] <head_victim> Hmm
[01:44] <head_victim> How are you changing the resolution?
[01:44] <Mountian_Man> phillw thank you very much I noticed in ubuntu that there were two different routes to adjust the resolution. is there a similar possible alternative for lubuntu?
[01:45] <slooksterpsv1> head_victim: lxrand
[01:45] <Mountian_Man> head_victim (preferences>monitor settings)
[01:45] <slooksterpsv1> *lxrandr I cannot type I apologize
[01:46] <head_victim> Heh I was wondering if there was a place in somewhere you could put a lxrandr line in a post login that you could change for each user.
[01:48] <Mountian_Man> phillw is there a way i can follow the progress of the bug report?
[01:48] <head_victim> Mountian_Man: if you subscribe to it on launchpad you'll receive all changes/comments
[01:49] <Mountian_Man> btw i absolutely love this os. my aunt has a pc that was given to her and it was like watching grass grow trying to use it. but with this lubuntu the pc is flying.
[01:49] <phillw> Mountian_Man: yes you can subscibe to a bug, but I've filed it via our mailing list as all the devs and other gurus will receive it. (It's a dirty cheat and not really supposed to be done).
[01:50] <Mountian_Man> thank you phillw so are you a dev?
[01:50] <phillw> Mountian_Man: no, I'm a documenter; I try to keep our hep files up to date.
[01:51] <phillw> *help*
[01:51] <Mountian_Man> phillwoh ok cool
[01:51] <phillw> Mountian_Man: so the devs do cut me a bit of slack when I go nag them :)
[01:52] <Mountian_Man> slooksterpsv1 well thank you for trying.
[01:52] <slooksterpsv1> Mountian_Man: you're welcome, lol trying to see if there's a way I can get it to work, not going over so well lol
[01:53] <Mountian_Man> yeah i have been at it, though i have limited knowledge of linux system admin, all day
[01:54] <slooksterpsv1> awesome lol
[01:54] <Mountian_Man> i am just stoked i was able to use this pc as a print server for a couple of windoze laptops aswell
[01:54] <slooksterpsv1> I love Lubuntu - I just want a 64-bit iso port
[01:55] <slooksterpsv1> oh yeah, the whole Debian area of Linux seems to make things easier and easier, and with Ubuntu they make it even easier
[01:55] <Mountian_Man> yeah even with out the 64 bit i am thinking about switching from ubuntu to lubuntu on my main laptop
[01:56] <slooksterpsv1> well you can get the 64-bit version of Lubuntu either with having Ubuntu 64-bit installed then install lubuntu-desktop or there's also another way on the wiki, going through I believe a netinstall
[01:56] <phillw> Mountian_Man: you can use the 64 bit kernel for lubuntu, just we do not have an iso image for it.
[01:57] <phillw> Mountian_Man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[01:57] <slooksterpsv1> when it does come out I'll be the first one using it haha
[01:57] <Mountian_Man> oh ok.  would it still keep the speed up if i used gnome apps though?
[01:58] <slooksterpsv1> should - I don't see any reason why  not
[01:58] <phillw> Mountian_Man: if you drag in the gnome library, your machine will slow down horrendusly
[01:58] <slooksterpsv1> phillw: but doesn't some of the lubuntu programs use gnome libraries?
[01:59] <phillw> I did a remove with a guy earlier and he could not believe how faster his machine was after it.
[01:59] <Mountian_Man> meaning in my reasearch the selction of aps helps a great deal. i for sure saw a difference between lubuntu and linux mint xfce
[01:59] <phillw> slooksterpsv1: no gome libraries.
[01:59] <phillw> *gnome*
[02:03] <head_victim> Mountian_Man: couldn't you insert a lxrandr setting into the Session startup for each user?
[02:04] <slooksterpsv1> phillw: ok then I use a lot of gnome programs haha
[02:06] <Mountian_Man> head_victim I'm willing to try though i do not know how i would do this?
[02:09] <head_victim> I'm googling, I need more bash scripting skills to accomplish this how I was thinking, through /etc/lxdm/Xsession
[02:09] <Mountian_Man> head_victim thank you for your effort.
[02:22] <Mountian_Man> i have to leave for a bit. ill be back though in an hour or so. (food!!!!) thank you all for being so helpful.
[02:22] <head_victim> Mountian_Man: no dramas, if I find a workaround I'll let you know
[02:25] <slooksterpsv1> phillw: so gnumeric and gnome-player don't require gnome libraries?
[02:29] <slooksterpsv1> question for anyone that can answer, if Chrome (google chrome) is version 7.0.xxx why is Chromium for Lubuntu still 6.0.xxxx
[02:32] <slooksterpsv1> head_victim I gots a question
[02:32] <head_victim> What's that (sorry the reboot was because I was trying to find a keyboard shortcut and hit the wrong one :/)
[02:33] <slooksterpsv1> if Chrome (google chrome) is version 7.0.xxx why is Chromium for Lubuntu still 6.0.xxxx
[02:34] <phillw> slooksterpsv1: it's because chrome is the version that sends all the spying bit to google and chromium does not.
[02:34] <phillw> slooksterpsv1: we  prefer the spyware free version ;)
[02:34] <slooksterpsv1> nice to see you drop in phillw haha
[02:34] <phillw> slooksterpsv1: PM
[02:35] <head_victim> slooksterpsv1: chrome is a google product, chromium is an open source version of chrome, so they do have differences.
[02:35] <slooksterpsv1> ok I like chromium then yay chromium
[02:37] <head_victim> slooksterpsv1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Differences_between_Chromium_and_Google_Chrome
[02:37] <slooksterpsv1> head_victim: thank you =D
[02:37] <head_victim> No worries, I hate paraphrasing stuff I'm not 100% certain on so I always try to find a half decent source
[03:03] <head_victim> Mountian_Man: I can't get what I want to work sorry
[03:03] <Mountian_Man> hi all im back!
[03:03] <head_victim> But http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-resize-screen-size-quickly.html could be something to look at until the bug is fixed
[03:03] <Mountian_Man> thats ok  i really appreciate you trying though
[03:05] <Mountian_Man> yeah thanks i will give that a try and i bet they wont mind a one click solution for now :)
[03:05] <head_victim> It's as simple as you're going to get without making it automated I think.
[03:06] <Mountian_Man> so are there and kind of reputation score on here, you know where i could show others how much i appreciate head_victim's assistance?
[03:07] <Mountian_Man> or just a sincere thank you?
[03:08] <head_victim> A thanks is all I do it for, not sure if there is any system.
[03:08] <head_victim> I usually learn as much out of it all as you will
[03:09] <phillw> Mountian_Man: just saying thank you is reward enough for any of us that help.
[03:16] <stlsaint> i take monetary thank you's as well
[04:38] <Mountian_Man> um, how do i do this with out gnome?
[04:39] <Mountian_Man> Right click on desktop > Select Create Launcher
[08:33] <Chiz> Hello, guys!
[08:33] <Chiz> Anybody here?
[08:33] <bioterror> I am
[08:34] <Chiz> Hi!
[08:34] <Chiz> Can you help me to start LXDE instead of curent GUI in ubuntu???
[08:34] <bioterror> what?
[08:34] <Chiz> :-)
[08:34] <bioterror> you're running something
[08:34] <bioterror> and you want to start LXDE
[08:34] <Chiz> Ubuntu
[08:34] <Chiz> Yes
[08:34] <bioterror> okay
[08:35] <bioterror> you have installed lubuntu-desktop?
[08:35] <Chiz> I don't know :-)
[08:35] <Chiz> How to check?
[08:35] <bioterror> open terminal and say "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[08:35] <bioterror> and answer yes if it asks something
[08:36] <Chiz> ok
[08:36] <Chiz> It processing smth
[08:37] <Chiz> Outputing y all the time
[08:37] <bioterror> :D
[08:37] <Chiz> That is all? I'm downloading and starting your virus? :-)
[08:38] <bioterror> yes
[08:38] <bioterror> when you have that login screen
[08:38] <bioterror> you can choose which desktop to use
[08:38] <bioterror> Gnome, LXDE
[08:38] <bioterror> and so on
[08:38] <bioterror> from the left bottom of the screen
[08:38] <bioterror> (at least, that's how it used to been ;)
[08:39] <Chiz> Thanks!
[08:39] <Chiz> How long are going to be here?
[08:39] <bioterror> well, I'm kinda always here
[08:40] <Chiz> That is great! :-)
[08:40] <bioterror> it's Session
[08:40] <bioterror> that menu where you can choose what you want to use as your desktop environment
[08:42] <slooksterpsv> bioterror: is there a difference from Lubuntu and LXDE for sessions?
[08:42] <bioterror> well
[08:42] <bioterror> lubuntu is that lxde
[08:42] <slooksterpsv> right
[08:46] <bioterror> !lubuntu
[08:48] <slooksterpsv> so does that mean that the components that make up Lubuntu will be loaded for like power management, etc. where LXDE would use the defaults from what Ubuntu uses?
[08:48] <bioterror> yes
[08:48] <bioterror> when you install lubuntu, you get those loaded automatically on login
[08:48] <bioterror> you dont have to worry about those
[08:50] <slooksterpsv> lol I installed Lubuntu desktop alongside ubuntu desktop
[08:50] <bioterror> yeah
[08:50] <bioterror> you can do that
[08:51] <bioterror> and when you run lubuntu desktop, you can remove ubuntu desktop ;)
[08:51] <slooksterpsv> NOO that removes all my applications I use hehe
[08:56] <bioterror> Chiz, have you downloaded all the needed files?
[09:02] <len> Thumbs up on the speed and low memory usage for 10.10.  I tried 6 different distro to try to breath life into an ancient 266 Mhz, 128MB notebook.  Lubuntu was the only one I could even get to install.  I thought it was a lost cause, but it actually runs OK.  Unbelievable!
[09:03] <bioterror> nice to hear
[09:03] <bioterror> len, we have now a alternate install cd, which makes installation on that kind of machines even easier
[09:03] <bioterror> an alternate...
[09:04] <len> I also has an old 600mhz 512MB machine with Kubuntu 10.10 installed.  It ran so sluggishly it was unusable.  I changed it to Lubuntu 10.10 and it's snappy now.  The difference is incredible.
[09:04] <bioterror> oh yeah
[09:04] <bioterror> 512MB and 600MHz is not enough for KDE 4
[09:05] <bioterror> it might look nice, but the desktop is sloow
[09:05] <bioterror> KDE is the most resource hungry Desktop Environment you can find for X
[09:05] <len> bioterror,  Cool.  I wish I'd had that because the install took hours and hours becuase the intall program itself took every drop of memory and it was paging back and forth to disk for hours.
[09:05] <slooksterpsv> tru
[09:06] <bioterror> len, it became public last night ;)
[09:06] <len> Great.  Manybe I can revive some more "junk" machines from the grave now :)
[09:07] <bioterror> I et you can
[09:07] <bioterror> bet
[09:08] <len> Stability is great too, with one exception.  One one of the notebooks, the screensaver closes the session when it kicks in and brings it back to login.  I assume it is crashing x-server.
[09:09] <bioterror> yes
[09:09] <bioterror> I usually disable the xscreensaver
[09:09] <len> It works fine with screensaver disabled.
[09:10] <len> I don't care about fancy screensavers, but I would at least like the "blank screen" on to work.
[09:11] <bioterror> I put my laptop on sleep when I dont need it. it resumes so fast and connects to wireless
[09:12] <bioterror> that it's almost same
[09:13] <len> can you set it to go to sleep automatically and x minutes of inactivity just like a screensaver?
[09:14] <bioterror> len, press the battery icon on your systemtray and click prerences. there's "display" put display to sleep when iactive for:
[09:15] <bioterror> len & Chiz, can you join #lubuntu-offtopic
[09:15] <bioterror> it's more layback channel without logging for talking about lubuntu and other stuff, this channel is mainly for helping with prolems ;)
[09:15] <len> Ah, OK.  I don't have a battery widget for some reason.  I assume that is supped to be there by default.  Maybe it only shows when you're on battery.
[09:15] <bioterror> ahh yes,  you can configure it from there
[09:16] <bioterror> plug the powercord off and click the icon
[09:18] <len> Yup, that was it.
[09:18] <bioterror> now you get blank screen
[14:15] <thevishy> how do I enable wireless
[14:15] <thevishy> !wireless
[14:22] <thevishy> hi
[14:23] <thevishy> could you help me with network connection by default in LXCE
[14:24] <bioterror> yes
[14:24] <bioterror> what's your problem
[15:16] <sulumar> is there a gwibber like application for Lubuntu
[16:18] <thegladiator> hi how can i set the frequency seletor
[16:21] <thegladiator> I need to have show desktop featue also
[16:21] <bioterror> one speed means full speed! ;)
[16:22] <bioterror> next from lxde menu
[16:22] <bioterror> is show desktop
[16:22] <thegladiator> i have lxde menu file manager and web browser
[16:23] <bioterror> http://images.maketecheasier.com/2010/05/lubuntu-desktop.jpg
[16:23] <bioterror> you see that chromium
[16:23] <bioterror> next to it
[16:24] <thegladiator> Oh that one ok :)
[16:24] <thegladiator> also this frequency selector applet is not letting me change freq
[16:25] <thegladiator> I need that because the computer heats up fast hence need to reduce cycles
[16:26] <thegladiator> otherwise LXDE is just fast and good
[16:28] <bioterror> you cant change those from BIOS?
[16:29] <thegladiator> no I just need to lower it when required it just cools up
[16:29] <thegladiator> Gnome has that CPU selector thing
[16:31] <bioterror> is it really so that the CPU Frequency application does not work?
[16:31] <thegladiator> there is a plugin you can add to panel called spufrq front end that doesnt allowq me to change just view
[16:32] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:32] <bioterror> uno momento
[16:32] <bioterror> I'll fire LXDE to my desktop
[16:32] <thegladiator> Right
[16:33] <bioterror> okay
[16:34] <bioterror> I dont have one?
[16:34] <thegladiator> add to panel
[16:34] <thegladiator> and chose cpu freq front end
[16:34] <bioterror> add / remove panel items
[16:34] <thegladiator> Yeah
[16:36] <bioterror> I would like to know what you've installed
[16:37] <thegladiator> lxde basically
[16:37] <thegladiator> Do you see add items ? Many of them
[16:37] <thegladiator> Add Panel Items - Panel Applets - CPUFRQ fontend
[16:38] <bioterror> I'm running 10.10
[16:38] <bioterror> and I dont have one
[16:39] <bioterror> cant find anything like that with my apt-cache
[16:40] <thegladiator> I installed maverick and then installed lxde . It appears in my comp as cpufreq frontend . its a applet you can add to the Panel
[16:40] <thegladiator> how do I search the apt-cache ?
[16:40] <bioterror> apt-cache search something
[16:40] <thegladiator> or lets say view an installed package ?
[16:40] <bioterror> apt-cache show something
[16:41] <bioterror> thegladiator, dpkg -l
[16:41] <thegladiator> not sure but when I give a search it says thegladiator@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache search cpufreq frontend
[16:41] <thegladiator> xfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
[16:41] <bioterror> haha
[16:41] <bioterror> niice
[16:41] <thegladiator> lol
[16:42] <bioterror>    * CPU frequency management plugin (xfce4-cpufreq-plugin)
[16:42] <thegladiator> will install that
[16:43] <bioterror> that was from the xfce4-goodies
[16:43] <thegladiator> oh
[16:43] <bioterror> apt-cache show xfce4-goodies
[16:43] <bioterror> ;)
[16:43] <thegladiator> right so i think have to check some other options because its not in LXDE
[16:46] <bioterror> well
[16:46] <bioterror> thegladiator, come hang with us on #lubuntu-offtopic ;)
[17:03] <mmaksimov> does anybody know md5 of the alternate iso? the link on the maillist appears broken...
[17:11] <head_victim> mmaksimov: is it the same link as on the wiki at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall
[17:11] <head_victim> http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso
[17:39] <mmaksimov> head_victim, not the link to the iso but md5 checksum of it
[17:55] <mmaksimov> how do I change the key that switches keyboard layouts?
[17:58] <head_victim> mmaksimov: if it helps I can md5 a copy of it here that worked for me?
[18:00] <head_victim> mmaksimov: as far as shortcut keys go have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422861 for ideas
[18:02] <head_victim> Sorry I'm a bit slow at the moment, coming and going from the computer.
[18:03] <czz> my eth0 won't register sometimes until i reboot and it's fine.
[18:07] <head_victim> czz: does it give any errors?
[18:09] <head_victim> If it mentions unmanaged networks then have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged%20Wired%20Network for some solutions
[18:19] <mmaksimov> head_victim, it would be nice to have an md5 of a known-to-work image.
[18:23] <head_victim> mmaksimov: 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372
[18:23] <czz> head_victim, no, it doesnt recognize my nic card
[18:23] <head_victim> czz: and it's never had a problem before?
[18:23] <czz> it has happened before
[18:23] <czz> even on unr
[18:24] <czz> it always solves the issue once i reboot
[18:26] <mmaksimov> head_victim, unfortunately lubuntu-rc.xml does not have a binding for keyboard layout switching.... any other ideas? ugh, and thanks for the checksum
[18:28] <head_victim> czz: I'd say it's a hardware issue then if it's an intermittant fault with different installations.
[18:28] <Slurpee> anyone have experience installing Virtual Box guest additions for Lubuntu?
[18:28] <head_victim> Slurpee: work fine for me
[18:29] <head_victim> mmaksimov: read the last comment on the forum post.
[18:30] <head_victim> czz: is it a pci card? If so I'd try removing it, cleaning the contacts and reseating it.
[18:32] <mmaksimov> head_victim, which comment? lubuntu-rc instead of lxde-rc? I know which one is correct, however it does not have the binding to switch layout (and I don't think it is done this way)
[18:33] <Slurpee> head_victim, I am able to get the VBox additions to install, but I run into X Window driver issues and can't go full screen.  Any ideas?  I have tried updating, upgrading, grabbing gcc, dif headers, etc.
[18:33] <head_victim> Ah k, I was only going on what they were suggesting.
[18:33] <czz> head_victim, not a pci card
[18:33] <head_victim> Slurpee: you might need to update virtualbox itself, older versions don't support xorg 1.9
[18:34] <head_victim> Slurpee: I had that issue before 3.2.10 came out
[18:36] <Slurpee> head_victim, thanks for feedback.  Trying new version of vbox now.
[18:36] <head_victim> czz: oh ok, just seems odd it's happening to multiple installations.
[18:36] <head_victim> Slurpee: no worries mate
[18:43] <Slurpee> head_victim, looks like ubuntu repo kept defaulting to 3.10.  I am manually grabbing 3.2.10 from vbox site.
[18:44] <head_victim> Slurpee: yeah I use the PUEL version from the site, has much better USB support
[18:47] <Slurpee> k looks like I need to remove 3.10. going to reboot to be safe.
[18:47] <Slurpee> ill let you know how it goes :)
[18:47] <Slurpee> brb
[18:47] <head_victim> Slurpee: no dramas mate cheers
[18:48] <stlsaint> head_victim: howdy
[18:49] <head_victim> stlsaint: morning
[19:04] <Slurpee> head_victim, whoa this vbox upgrade is a big diff!
[19:04] <Slurpee> Do all of the 3.2 versions have the Oracle stuff plastered everywhere? ;0
[19:04] <stlsaint> yep :D
[19:05] <phillw> Slurpee: head_victim is heading for bed, as it is 03:30 in Australia :)
[19:05] <Slurpee> Well hopefully Oracle fixes my issue :)
[19:06] <Slurpee> I created lubuntu2 vm with the new version
[19:06] <Slurpee> figured i will start fresh on both systems.
[19:06] <Slurpee> I was installing all sorts of headers, packages, dkms, etc.
[19:06] <Slurpee> I updated my host too.
[19:07] <Slurpee> Shall I run anything special in fresh version of lubuntu to fully install all of the vbox guest additions?
[19:24] <mmaksimov> huh, another try.... how do I change the key that switches keyboard layouts?
[19:58] <hblount> hi. i just installed lubuntu on my old acer aspire 1.5ghz 512mb ram laptop. i had ubuntu on it before. with ubuntu the left-right scroll thing on my touchpad worked,but not with lubuntu. the up/down scroll works on lubuntu though. and the power button on ubuntu used to bring up prompt to shutdown/restart/logoff, but on lubuntu nothing happens. i thought ubuntu and lubuntu were the same thing. can i fix this?
[20:00] <stlsaint> hblount: they are not the same, linux based yes but different environments and tweaks
[20:02] <phillw> hblount: I'm confused (nothing new) " left-right scroll thing on my touchpad worked,but not with lubuntu. the up/down scroll works on lubuntu though"
[20:02] <bioterror> I havent had any problems with that scrolling on touchpad
[20:02] <bioterror> ahh, yes up n down
[20:02] <phillw> neither have I
[20:03] <bioterror> I've never owned that new touchpad, or hitech ;)
[20:03] <hblount> up/down works. left/right don't. on ubuntu it did. someone told me ubuntu is supposed to function same but guess not
[20:03]  * phillw repeats :)
[20:03] <bioterror> lubuntu != ubuntu with gnome
[20:04] <bioterror> did I remember that one right :)
[20:04] <phillw> hblount: are you on launchapd?
[20:04] <phillw> *launchpad*
[20:04] <hblount> phillw: whats that
[20:05] <phillw> hblount: it's where you tell the ubuntu community a bit about about you.
[20:05] <hblount> oh.no sorry im noob
[20:06] <hblount> do i ever need an antivirus or spyware thing with lubuntu?
[20:06] <bioterror> no you dont
[20:07] <phillw> hblount: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved  that will allow you to email to the devs, that way they can have a look at your problem for you and you even get a reply :)
[20:07] <hblount> phillw: cool thanks. i like lubuntu alot so far
[20:08] <phillw> hblount: thanks for that, it makes what we do all worthwhile when people say it :)
[20:09] <phillw> hblount: you may consider joining the #lubuntu-offtopic channel, we just chill out in there and have a laugh.
[20:10] <bioterror> that's active channel
[20:10] <bioterror> alot of talk in there nowdays ;)
[20:11] <phillw> bioterror: well, to be honest, 10.10 has been that stable it's been pretty boring in here !!!
[20:12] <bioterror> hahaha
[20:12] <bioterror> too good
[20:19] <hblount> how smooth does live boot lubuntu on a usb drive run?
[20:20] <bioterror> depends on machine
[20:20] <bioterror> with my dell d420 it's fast and quick
[20:20] <bioterror> with hp nc8320 or something like that it was, it was slow
[20:20] <bioterror> with hp 2540p it was fast
[20:21] <hblount> ok cool. how different is running off usb vs installing on HDD?
[20:21] <bioterror> with usb you get lags becouse it's not that fast
[20:21] <bioterror> ~8MB/s vs 40MB/s ;
[20:21] <bioterror> ;)
[20:22] <hblount> makes sense. thanks
[20:22] <bioterror> yeah
[20:22] <bioterror> i like to boot sometimes my pendrive
[20:22] <bioterror> which I made installing from CD-R to my USB stick
[20:22] <bioterror> I can suggest it
[20:24] <hblount> cool.do u get all functionality with usb boot?
[20:26] <bioterror> yes
[20:26] <hblount> cool. i want to try usb boot and tether my smartphone for mobile broadband
[20:26] <bioterror> :)
[20:27] <bioterror> if you end up buying a new laptop, you can go to store, stick your pendrive into that machine and boot up and do some testings :D
[20:28] <hblount> never thought of that. thats sounds fun
[20:29] <bioterror> yeah, if it doesnt work out of the box "sorry, no deal" :D
[20:32] <hblount> haha
[20:32] <czz> pendrive?
[20:32] <bioterror> czz, linux on usb key
[20:33] <bioterror> key, stick, what ever you want to call it
[20:34] <czz> just curious
[20:38] <phillw> hblount: it's also an idea to test if the WiFi works, else if it is broadcom, you need some extra stuff.
[20:38] <hblount> oh
[20:39] <bioterror> new hp compaq's uses broadcom :P
[20:39] <phillw> hblount: broadcom chips are not a problem, just *buntu cannot include the drivers by default.
[20:40] <hblount> phillw: i see. thanks
[20:42] <phillw> hblount: the latest chip set is covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx But it's not too hard to navigate back.
[21:53] <phillw> !grub2 | kosaidpo
[21:53] <kosaidpo> phillw: okies
[21:53] <kosaidpo> thanks
[21:55] <kosaidpo> phillw: i got this as vesrion grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3
[21:56] <phillw> kosaidpo: that's grub2
[21:56] <MonthOLDpickle> I have a resolution of 1024x600
[21:56] <kosaidpo> uhm how so it says 1.98 : D
[21:57] <phillw> kosaidpo: because they have not decided to make it v2.00001 yet. but 1.98 is grub2
[21:58] <kosaidpo> hahaha okies i see
[21:58] <MonthOLDpickle> what is the aspect ration of that resolution?
[21:58] <phillw> MonthOLDpickle: if you tell me the monitor, I'll go and see if I can google it for you.
[21:58] <MonthOLDpickle> dell monitor
[21:58] <MonthOLDpickle> on a netbook
[21:59] <MonthOLDpickle> I am going to go with 16:9
[21:59] <MonthOLDpickle> cause the math is like 16:9.375
[22:00] <andai> yo!
[22:00] <andai> is laptop support good?
[22:00] <stlsaint> very
[22:00] <stlsaint> well, depending on what your asking!? :D
[22:01] <phillw> okies, if you have problems, shout out on here & I'll go do some digging for you, for your information there is a dell area on the main support forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=342 who are familiar with Dell computers.
[22:01] <andai> it boots? lol
[22:01] <stlsaint> andai: uh, yea lubuntu does boot
[22:01] <andai> basically i'm considering upgrading to the newest Ubuntu, but i thought instead of wasting time upgrading to a new version of the same crap, i might try Xubuntu again instead
[22:02] <andai> but then I thought, Xubuntu was pretty fast, but still pretty slow compared to some really lightweight stuff i've tried
[22:02] <andai> and i remembered Lubuntu was both lightweight and noob-friendly
[22:02] <andai> ( this is my mom's laptop :D )
[22:02] <phillw> andai: give lubuntu a try, if you don't like it; don't pay us any money :D
[22:02] <stlsaint> andai: if your looking for a light distro than yes lubuntu will server your purpose
[22:03] <andai> haha :D
[22:03] <andai> another thing: I have a 8GB flashdisk and 3GB VirtualBox WinXP install that i'd like to use
[22:03] <andai> i'm wondering what distro i should run it on
[22:03] <stlsaint> i hear theres a distro called.....crap...um
[22:03] <stlsaint> oh yea
[22:03] <stlsaint> LUBUNTU
[22:04] <stlsaint> that works great
[22:04] <andai> how much disk space does it take up
[22:04] <andai> i was surprised the ISO was over 500 mb
[22:04] <andai> ( tinycore is 11mb )
[22:04] <stlsaint> well ive been told it can be installed in 1gb
[22:05] <andai> does it come with a bunch of stuff i can uninstall
[22:05] <stlsaint> tinycore also is not meant to be a daily fully used desktop system
[22:05] <stlsaint> andai: what do you mean?
[22:05] <andai> Yeah, but i'm not using it at all, i'm just using it to run VirtualBox which i'm using to run a minimal XP install
[22:05] <andai> so i just need barebones linux + vbox
[22:05] <andai> Tinycore has a VirtualBox package but you need to do stuff i'm not familliar with (stuff apt-get usually does for you)
[22:06] <phillw> andai: you can go via minimal install and lubuntu core.
[22:06] <andai> phillw: minimal install?
[22:06] <stlsaint> aye, minimal install
[22:06] <andai> does the CD offer that?
[22:06] <MonthOLDpickle> andai do you have bluetooth?
[22:07] <andai> maybe, never need it
[22:07] <MonthOLDpickle> than lubuntu is for you!
[22:07] <MonthOLDpickle> personally love lubuntu myself but I am using crunhbang
[22:07] <andai> but Ubuntu supports bluetooth, so aren't there packages for that? (does Lubuntu use the repositories?)
[22:07] <phillw> you can do it via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I've just got to update it for the core install.
[22:07] <MonthOLDpickle> I have tried over and over
[22:07] <MonthOLDpickle> its really buggy
[22:07] <andai> ah
[22:10] <stlsaint> andai: really it comes down to what you are looking for in a distro
[22:10] <andai> MonthOLDpickle: You there! Briefly compare Lubuntu & CrunchBang for me, if you will :)
[22:15] <MonthOLDpickle> Well I use a dell mini 9..I have upgrade mostr internal parts, liek the ssd hard, wifi, memory.
[22:15] <MonthOLDpickle> I got sick of windows...I went through a bunch before finding Lubuntu.
[22:16] <andai> ahh
[22:16] <MonthOLDpickle> What I loved about Lubuntu was it was using the sudo apt-get commands which I am learning about mostly and everything worked out of the box. It had chromium as default and pidgin there too.
[22:16] <MonthOLDpickle> Lubuntu is really fast on my single core intel atom 1.6ghz PC. FLash even works awesome can watch in full screen.
[22:17] <MonthOLDpickle> just I use a bluetooth mouse and BT is not too high on the list of features. I even tried installing Ubuntu than doing sudo apt-get lubuntu-desktop to install over ubuntu and it didn't fix it.
[22:17] <MonthOLDpickle> Now I have this
[22:18] <MonthOLDpickle> http://i52.tinypic.com/2zxuoar.jpg
[22:18] <MonthOLDpickle> In terms if speed
[22:18] <andai> haha i love your bg
[22:18] <MonthOLDpickle> Lubuntu is faster and it pretty much will work out of box. Care to tell me what system you have / specs of the machine?
[22:19] <MonthOLDpickle> >.>
[22:19] <andai> Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2,40 GHz
[22:19] <andai> 2 GB RAM
[22:20] <MonthOLDpickle> what screen size?
[22:20] <MonthOLDpickle> YOu can run practically any distro you want
[22:20] <MonthOLDpickle> How new are you to linux?
[22:21] <andai> been messing with ubuntu for a few years
[22:21] <andai> i'm relatively familliar with the command line
[22:21] <andai> at least i know enough to startup the graphical stuff and repair xorg when i mess it up (but i think xorg's changed and those days are over)
[22:21] <MonthOLDpickle> try out arch linux
[22:22] <andai> Yeah? Why? :P
[22:22] <stlsaint> MonthOLDpickle: lol...you are anti lubuntu i see :D
[22:22] <MonthOLDpickle> no I love lubuntu
[22:22] <MonthOLDpickle> its perfect except for the BT =p
[22:22] <MonthOLDpickle> but he has a beefy system he can do w/e he wants
[22:23] <andai> btw i'm considering two very different things here
[22:23] <andai> 1. super barebones install with X, to run VirtualBox
[22:23] <andai> 2. minimal distro that my noob mother can use (don't make me install Windows 7 :D)
[22:23] <stlsaint> andai: i would not suggest arch for a system that requires small amounts of resources, stick to the lighter alread configured distros, with arch you will have to manually configure everything yourself and you will probably not be able to tweak it lower than say, #! or lubuntu
[22:23] <MonthOLDpickle> mother..ubuntu for sure
[22:23] <stlsaint> andai: also your grandmother CANNOT use arch!! :D
[22:23] <MonthOLDpickle> He has same specs as my work laptop
[22:23] <MonthOLDpickle> 5 years old
[22:23] <stlsaint> andai: arch is one of the more advanced distros
[22:23] <MonthOLDpickle> can run photoshop and autocad at same time
[22:24] <andai> haha yeah i run tons of crap on here
[22:24] <andai> but i was recently looking through the system monitor, the processes
[22:24] <andai> and saw tons of default-installed crap i didn't need
[22:24] <MonthOLDpickle> that CPU is a great CPU
[22:24] <MonthOLDpickle> also whats your GPU
[22:24] <MonthOLDpickle> onboard intel?
[22:24] <andai> ohh my GPU is tricky
[22:24] <andai> some mobility radeon, ati
[22:24] <MonthOLDpickle> ah
[22:24] <andai> to even get it to work at all you can't have more than 3gb ram
[22:25] <MonthOLDpickle> mine has nvidia 7600 or 7800 gt
[22:25] <andai> my laptop has two 2GB sticks, i had to remove one
[22:25] <bioterror> I'm configuring Arch atm.
[22:25] <MonthOLDpickle> if its like my laptop
[22:25] <bioterror> this is... well... not that fun :-)
[22:25] <MonthOLDpickle> the mobo limnits the amount of ram to 2GB
[22:25] <bioterror> and the packages are more limited than with ubuntu
[22:25] <andai> ( there's a workaround but it's complex and i was expecting it to be fixed by the next release )
[22:25] <MonthOLDpickle> also andai you comptuer is most likely 64 bit
[22:25] <andai> yup
[22:25] <bioterror> and AUR is not that hot
[22:25] <MonthOLDpickle> bioterror: http://i52.tinypic.com/2zxuoar.jpg
[22:25] <andai> but 64bit is causing some trouble with java and i can't play minecraft :P
[22:26] <MonthOLDpickle> Why do I come off as a lubuntu hater?
[22:26] <andai> lol they're jealous
[22:26] <MonthOLDpickle> I PLAY MINECRAFT
[22:26] <andai> of you sexing with other distros
[22:26] <MonthOLDpickle> I have a server install on the server @ work lol
[22:26] <bioterror> MonthOLDpickle, what are you running?-)
[22:26] <MonthOLDpickle> crunchbang
[22:26] <bioterror> ahhh ;)
[22:26] <stlsaint> bioterror: my experience with arch is more or less...love hate :D
[22:26] <bioterror> stlsaint, I feel you man
[22:26] <MonthOLDpickle> I open up to andai about how much I love lubuntu
[22:26] <bioterror> ;)
[22:27] <MonthOLDpickle> that I am watching it
[22:27] <andai> :D
[22:27] <MonthOLDpickle> and I am called a hater =p
[22:27]  * stlsaint must admit that he is currently running #! on this second lappy :D
[22:27] <MonthOLDpickle> oh I wish I knew how to quit you
[22:27] <stlsaint> MonthOLDpickle: ^^
[22:27] <andai> i think i'll get Lubuntu and CrunchBang to start out with, mess with them in vBox
[22:27] <stlsaint> andai: with that combo you cant go wrong
[22:27] <MonthOLDpickle> don't bother with Lubuntu in VB
[22:27] <kosaidpo> MonthOLDpickle: i like the wallpaper can you send it to me please btw ohw uget these info in ur desktop u use conky ??
[22:27] <slooksterpsv> MonthOLDpickle: why not?
[22:27] <MonthOLDpickle> just install it on the laptop aas second os
[22:28] <stlsaint> andai: im running #! with less than 100mb ram running and lubuntu was even lower in my vm after a few custom tweeks
[22:28] <MonthOLDpickle> Yea I used conky
[22:28] <MonthOLDpickle> I am trying to make a calendar on it
[22:28] <slooksterpsv> MonthOLDpickle: it works in vbox very well, just when you install the drivers you have to do it like so: sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run && sudo reboot
[22:28] <MonthOLDpickle> kosaidpo: what resoultion do you have?
[22:28] <kosaidpo> MonthOLDpickle: can you send me ur wallpaper please
[22:29] <MonthOLDpickle> vb works for me it was completely different on my netbook =p
[22:29]  * andai 's short on CDs, can I install it without burning to CD
[22:29] <MonthOLDpickle> Yea I am asking what resolution you have cause its 1024 x 600
[22:29] <MonthOLDpickle> http://wallbase.net/wallpaper/183431
[22:29] <kosaidpo> MonthOLDpickle: 1024
[22:29] <MonthOLDpickle> andai let it be known
[22:29] <MonthOLDpickle> once bt is fixed
[22:29] <MonthOLDpickle> I will be going back to lubuntu
[22:29] <andai> 1366x768
[22:30] <stlsaint> andai: yep, use usb
[22:30] <bioterror> andai, that's tv resolution
[22:30] <MonthOLDpickle> people still use CS
[22:30] <bioterror> with hd ready tv
[22:30]  * MonthOLDpickle is omgwhy
[22:30] <stlsaint> MonthOLDpickle: sure cover up your anti-lubuntu sentiment now :P
[22:30] <andai> Yeah, pirated movies work perfectly
[22:30] <MonthOLDpickle> Andai this room is logged
[22:30] <kosaidpo> MonthOLDpickle: thanks
[22:30] <MonthOLDpickle> and that is OT so /join #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:31] <andai> Yeah, pirating isn't illegal in holland, but seeding is, so if you use torrents you're fucked
[22:31] <MonthOLDpickle> btw making jello shots out of 190 proof
[22:31] <andai> lol
[22:31] <andai> aaanyway, so, Lubuntu = OK for noobmother?
[22:31] <MonthOLDpickle> andai we have an ot channel
[22:31] <MonthOLDpickle> I would just slap on ubuntu for her
[22:31] <MonthOLDpickle> than..sneak in lubuntu later
[22:31] <andai> no i'm on the laptop now, running ubuntu
[22:32] <andai> it's fine
[22:32] <andai> lemme take a screenshot
[22:32] <bioterror> arch linux isnt that much minimal than what debian is
[22:32] <MonthOLDpickle> you should use eubuntu lol!!!
[22:32] <MonthOLDpickle> arch is debian
[22:32] <MonthOLDpickle> isn't it
[22:32] <bioterror> or it is
[22:32] <bioterror> less packages in repos :D
[22:32] <andai> eubuntu?
[22:32] <bioterror> hahaha
[22:32] <bioterror> had to compile some apps by myself
[22:33] <stlsaint> bioterror: thus i say arch is more advanced than the average use is used/prepared for
[22:34] <MonthOLDpickle> andai http://edubuntu.org/
[22:35] <andai> http://s1.bild.me/bilder/290710/5540011craptop.jpg
[22:35] <andai> Can i make ubuntu look like this
[22:35] <andai> *lubuntu LOL
[22:35] <bioterror> huh
[22:35] <andai> MonthOLDpickle: Why would i give my mom edubuntu?  ;)
[22:37] <bioterror> http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/what_has_been_seen_cannot_be_unseen_695.jpg :D
[22:40] <andai> lubuntu uses openbox by default?
[22:41] <stlsaint> andai: openbox?
[22:41] <stlsaint> no
[22:41] <stlsaint> lxde
[22:42] <andai> menu>Other has "Openbox Session"
[22:42] <andai> i clicked it and didn't notice anything change
[22:42] <andai> but now it's running as a process
[22:46] <stlsaint> andai: you will need to install tools required to do a multisession setup
[22:47] <andai> ah
[22:47] <andai> i mean.. why is it there
[22:47] <andai> lol
[22:48] <stlsaint> andai: options are always available ;)
[22:49] <andai> can i easily install Lubuntu to flashdisk? :D
[22:53] <kosaidpo> guys whn i go in recovery mode i dont have that root line
[22:53] <bioterror> what you have then?
[22:55] <kosaidpo> a line to fix broken packages another one to go in network as a root
[22:55] <kosaidpo> i dont rmbr the others
[22:55] <bioterror> there should be "shell" or something like that if I remember right
[22:55] <kosaidpo> ill reboot okies bioterror
[22:56] <bioterror> you migt have to say sudo passwd root in your normal boot
[23:18] <bioterror> !lubuntu-desktop
[23:20] <kosaidpo> bioterror:   i kno its meta one but shud i remove it cus i already did  with leafpad one time
[23:20] <kosaidpo> wht u advice me guys
[23:21] <phillw> kosaidpo: you do not remove it with leafpad !!!, just allow it to be removed :)
[23:21] <slooksterpsv> phillw is right
[23:21] <slooksterpsv> I'm going to reboot I'm bored of LXDE gonna reboot to XFCE :P bb in a few
[23:21] <kosaidpo> phillw: thats philo hihii
[23:22] <kosaidpo> phillw: so in the end its not installed  right ?
[23:22] <phillw> kosaidpo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop
[23:23] <kosaidpo> phillw: okies thanks
[23:23] <kosaidpo> phillw: btw im plainin to launch a blog is there any cool logo for lubuntu to put on my blog ?
[23:23] <phillw> kosaidpo: the documentation area does keep me busy :)
[23:27] <kosaidpo> phillw: cus my sucky understandin in english or mybe i did im jst not really sure so
[23:27] <phillw> kosaidpo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork would be a good place to head, I use http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 but that includes a link to down load it.
[23:28] <kosaidpo> if will upgrade i shud put this --no-install-recommends in he end of the cmmd like last night
[23:28] <phillw> kosaidpo: are you running 10.10 lubuntu?
[23:28] <kosaidpo> yeh
[23:29] <phillw> kosaidpo: you will have an option called update manager in your menu system.
[23:30] <kosaidpo> phillw: yeh i do have that app
[23:30] <kosaidpo> update-manager you mean right ?
[23:30] <phillw> kosaidpo: that will keep you up to date when you ask it to.
[23:31] <phillw> kosaidpo: if there is anything urgent, it will tell you.
[23:31] <kosaidpo> yesh i kno : ) but the last time i guess cause of the lack of that lubutu-desktop pacjage asked me to do a partialupgrade first
[23:31] <kosaidpo> partial upgrade first when tryin to go to 10.10
[23:32] <phillw> kosaidpo: partial updates are not really recommended. Ensure that you have the lubuntu-desktop meta installed.
[23:32] <andai> what's the default username on livecd?
[23:32] <andai> i logged out
[23:32] <phillw> andai: none
[23:32] <kosaidpo> theres none
[23:32] <andai> enter ; enter doesn't work
[23:32] <kosaidpo> i guess
[23:33] <kosaidpo> phillw:  is it
[23:33] <andai> how do i login
[23:33] <phillw> else it will be root, and no password
[23:33] <kosaidpo> jst sudo with no psw required
[23:33] <andai> I'm at the login screen
[23:33] <andai> there's a textbox asking for a username
[23:33] <andai> nothing doesn't work
[23:34] <phillw> use the name root
[23:34] <andai> i logged out cause i killed the pcmanfm process and then the desktop vanished :P
[23:34] <kosaidpo> andai: i guess it shud if u use a livecd it go throu automaticly
[23:34] <andai> root/blank doesn't work either :P
[23:34] <phillw> andai: just reboot :)
[23:35] <phillw> if you killed pcmanfm, then you have a non working system.
[23:41] <andai> lol
[23:41] <andai> i started it up again
[23:41] <andai> but it didn't load the desktop
[23:42] <kosaidpo> andai: uhn how so
[23:42] <kosaidpo> wht do u have ? then
[23:42] <andai> i mean pcmanfm :P
[23:42] <kosaidpo> oh it crashes you mean wht lubuntu u have ??
[23:52] <andai> i mean i killed it to free up 20mb of ram and when i started it up again it wouldn't load the desktop :P
[23:59] <MonthOLDpickle> andai installing lubuntu?


[00:38] <zhick> i just updated to kde 14.04 beta 2. now i'm having this problem: phonon doesnt display my audio devices anymore when trying to arrange device priority, only one single one labeled "default", so i cant use my external dac anymore. does anybode have any idea what might be causing this? all devices show up fine in alsamixer and pavucontrol.
[01:17] <Roey> helloo
[01:17] <Roey> Need help, I can't hear sound from my 14.04 installation.
[01:21] <zhick> Roey: is your soundcard listed under device priority in phonon-settings? i'm curious because I also have a problem with audio and there's only a default device listed the. maybe we're affected by the same problem?
[01:22] <Roey> this is the second 14.04 installation I have issues with sound btw
[01:22] <Roey> zhick:  one moment, checking
[01:23] <Roey> Device Preference is builtin analog/stereo
[01:23] <Roey> yet I hear nothing on my earphones
[01:23] <zhick> Roey: ok, so it appears we have different problems.
[01:24] <Roey> ok
[01:24] <Roey> why, what is your issue zhick?
[01:24] <zhick> did you try fiddeling with your soundcard settings in alsamixer/pavucontrol?
[01:26] <zhick> phonon only lists a default device under device priority (which appears to be my laptops internal soundcard), so i cant select my external usb-soundcard. everywhere else all soundards are listed though.
[01:27] <Roey> ah
[01:27] <Roey> oh I see, you have an external sound card
[01:34] <Roey> monkeyjuice:  pfffft awesome nick!!
[01:34] <Roey> how creative
[01:36] <monkeyjuice> hows it going Roey
[01:42] <Condorito> Good evening, awesome people!
[01:46] <zhick> ok i think ive figured out my problem. gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio was not installed so phonons gstreamer backend fell back to alsa.
[01:51] <Roey> all good monkeyjuice
[01:51] <Roey> hello Condorito :)
[01:51] <Roey> oh I see.
[01:51] <Roey> how can I check this on my system?
[01:51] <zhick> I'm wondering why it was missing, though. Roey, you just did a fresh install also? can you check if gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio is installed on your system?
[01:52] <zhick> Roey: just try sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
[01:52] <zhick> if its installed it should say theres nothing to do
[01:52] <Roey> zhick, see this:  https://gist.github.com/roeyk/9846761b36945fe23bc9
[01:52] <Roey> it's already installed
[01:53] <Roey> oh wait
[01:53] <Roey> zhick:  the apt-get command you specified actually /is/ installing it.
[01:53] <Roey> So it wasn't installed.  Progres...
[01:55] <Roey> zhick:  so it installed it, now what, restart KDE?
[01:56] <zhick> it should pick it up automatically. worked fine for me, but then again, we didnt have the exact same problem
[02:03] <Roey> `hmm I still do not have it.
[02:03] <zhick> Roey: hm thats too bad.
[02:04] <Roey> eh well maybe someone else has this issue
[02:04] <zhick> did you check your mixer levels?
[02:04] <Roey> I have it on both of my 14.04 installations, as I said before
[02:04] <Roey> yes I just did
[02:04] <Roey> through KDE, through alsamixer, my headphones volume, and the application volume (amarok's)
[02:04] <Roey> and also I tried with straight mpg123
[02:07] <Condorito> WOW. My copy of Kubuntu for Chromebook doesn't have make installed.
[02:08] <zhick> Roey: ok then i've got no idea. maybe running PHONON_PULSEAUDIO_DEBUG=5 PHONON_DEBUG=5 PHONON_BACKEND_DEBUG=5 kcmshell4 phonon and looking for warnings or errors might help you figure out your problem, that's how i figured out mine.
[02:10] <Condorito> (warning: I'm about to screw up my make command for trying to get Wine on an ARM. I shall need strong arms to cry into momentarily.)
[02:17] <Condorito> Time to go on a magical recursion journey! Do you need to have flex on your install to install flex? WE SHALL SEE!!!
[02:25] <Condorito> Okay, it looks like I'll need to install m4 to get flex to work to get make to work to get Wine to work.
[02:25] <Condorito> According to this: http://www.geeksww.com/tutorials/operating_systems/linux/installation/installing_flex_fast_lexical_analyzer_ubuntu_linux.php
[02:33] <Condorito> I THINK m4 is installed? Now it's time to see if flex can be installed correctly.
[02:37] <Condorito> It's worked! flex is installed! I am a sexy manbeast of a clueless ninny!
[02:41] <Condorito> My reach has exceeded my grasp. Again.
[02:45] <Condorito> I'm re-downloading Wine so that I have something that was untainted by my lack of correct software.
[02:52] <Condorito> Okay. so flex isn't REALLY installed in /bin. I guess that's my bad.
[02:56] <Condorito> Ah. Now I must install the bison package.
[02:56] <Condorito> At least I know the rules of the game now.
[02:57] <Condorito> PATH=$PATH/usr/local/ulcer
[03:16] <Condorito> Okay. There's a metric crud-ton of errors, but Wine appears to have actually ./configure 'd.
[03:17] <Condorito> Now to make it.
[03:21] <Condorito> I fear I will never be smart enough to figure out what's going on in the myriad streams of text wandering past my 'puter's terminal.
[03:57] <Condorito> Watching Wine compile on a Chromebook has got to be one of the more hilarious things I've done to abuse a piece of hardware in a while.
[03:58] <Condorito> "Noooo! I am a fancy cell phone! Please don't make me do any heavy lifting!" "Buahahahaha, next I shall find the source for a CAD program!" "Nooooooo!"
[04:30] <jussi> Condorito: sounds fun. come join me/us in #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat and stuff :D
[04:41]  * Condorito realizes he has become That Guy. Will will shut up now.
[05:19] <Num83rGuy> Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out why video playback is so choppy in all programs. Firefox, VLC, XBMC Mplayer, etc.  Video jumps and audio skips.  Nvidia 550ti prop driver 319.32, AMD phenom quad core at 2GHz, 3GiB RAM
[07:41] <dnivra> Hello. I asked in #kopete but it's probably not very active now. I am running Kubuntu 13.10 and Kopete does not seem to be displaying any notifications for incoming messages. I checked the notifications settings and found that play a sound and show message in popup but neither seem to be working. Should something else be done to enable them?
[08:00] <shimano> Hi how a can reinstall Qt on Kubuntu ? thanks
[08:53] <abdi> hi room
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:02] <abdi> if i wanna join new chanel like uk how can i do ?
[09:02] <lordievader> abdi: /join #<channel-name>
[09:03] <abdi> i have try but it dose not work
[09:05] <lordievader> alvin: Quassel should work with that though.
[09:05] <alvin> What did I say?
[09:05] <alvin> Ow, wrong tab completion. I see :-) carry on
[09:06] <abdi> this chanel i can join but others is not
[09:11] <lordievader> alvin: Ah sorry for the hilight
[09:17] <alvin> np$
[11:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:17] <sven222> hi help needed. fresh instakk of kubuntu 12. amd64 msi mainboard. create lvm encrypted filesystem fails. no error msg. without works. any hints
[14:46] <aljosa> kwallet(manager) is broken, at least for me, after last update in 14.04/dev. should i report this as bug or is this a known issue?
[15:25] <EvilRoey> hi all, why can't I hear sound on any of my Kubuntu 14.04 installations?
[15:26] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Support for Trusty is in #ubuntu+1 until Trusty is released.
[15:37] <EvilRoey> thanks
[15:37] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  thanks
[16:15] <Desert> i have 12.04 is there a safe way to install gcc 4.7 or 4.8?
[16:16] <Desert> can i expect an upgrades gcc in 14.04 ?
[16:16] <Desert> im in the need to c++11 features
[16:41] <Num83rGuy> Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out why video playback is so choppy in all programs. Firefox, VLC, XBMC Mplayer, etc.  Video jumps and audio skips.  Nvidia 550ti prop driver 319.32, AMD phenom quad core at 2GHz, 3GiB RAM
[16:50] <freinhard> hi! what do i need to install? "The VPN service 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.l2tp' was not installed"
[16:50] <freinhard> there's no network-manager-l2tp package or similar
[16:54] <BluesKaj> freinhard, install l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[16:55] <BluesKaj> freinhard, it's in the repos
[16:57] <freinhard> BluesKaj: a grep for l2tp in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ doesnt give a hit. sure this is sufficient? didn't restart yet, i guess new dbus services need a reboot/logout-in
[17:00] <BluesKaj> freinhard, I've used l2tp-ipsec in the past on free vpn servers, but found them unreliable, so I went with openvpn on commercial vpn services which is more popular and easier to install and maintain
[17:00] <freinhard> BluesKaj: unreliable in terms of the service or the protocol?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> service...connections are unrelaible, freinhard
[17:02] <freinhard> BluesKaj: so there shouldn't be a problem with a self hosted service
[17:03] <BluesKaj> freinhard, I don't know, never tried that
[17:03] <freinhard> brb
[17:36] <venny> Hi, someone know how Kubuntu 13.10 share folders with windows?
[17:37] <venny> Can someone help me? I need make a Kubuntu PDC
[17:38] <venny> I'm looking for some documentation of Kubuntu 13.10 but I dont find
[17:39] <venny> thanks a lot :(
[17:47] <zinz> Hi can anyone help me installing windows please?
[17:48] <LucidGuy>  Odd situation.  KDE/ubuntu workstaition authenticating via ldap.  I can login to the system with a local account and an ldap account.  But unable to unlock the lock screen with local accounts.  ldap accounts can unlock the lock screen???
[19:00] <zorael> Should the kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade tool work at this point? It seems to just block and do nothing.
[19:02] <zorael> There we go, took a good few minutes for it to start though
[22:09] <TarantulaFudge> hey guys I've got kind of an annoying problem, how can I set driver options without defining my xorg.conf? I've tried adding device entries to xorg.conf.d but it totally freaks out
[22:22] <goodtime> #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:22] <goodtime> oops


[06:55] <Unit193> knome: Considering perhaps http://paste.openstack.org/show/cZed8nUINAyyEi0HxMKP/
[12:42] <bluesabre> updated gtk-theme-config (with translations) pushed
[12:42] <bluesabre> updated xubuntu-default-settings with drag-workspaces enabled and classic menu fixes pushed
[12:51] <Unit193> Fancy.
[13:03] <knome> Unit193, looks good to me
[13:08] <elfy> knome - started a pad for later - http://pad.ubuntu.com/trackers
[13:08] <elfy> biab
[13:08] <knome> great
[13:12] <Unit193> Benefit is  make test  will fail if validation fails.
[13:15] <knome> yep
[14:35] <eric_the_idiot> Noskcaj, do you have a deadline for a new xfdesktop release date?
[15:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: wow, awesome MR from andrew
[15:58] <knome> good morning pleia2!
[16:01]  * pleia2 yawns and grumps
[16:01] <knome> heh
[16:01] <knome> back in 2 mins.
[16:04]  * elfy is floating about
[16:05] <pleia2> shall we make an etherpad to collect a bug list?
[16:05] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/trackers
[16:05] <elfy> :)
[16:06] <pleia2> \o/
[16:06] <pleia2> reading backscroll ftw
[16:06] <elfy> :D
[16:07] <knome> huh, and sorry
[16:08] <knome> ok, so
[16:08] <knome> i made some comments on the pad already
[16:08] <elfy> yep - I added one
[16:09] <knome> re: that comment
[16:09] <knome> i think it would be generally a good idea that the "history" page was a blank "search page" when opened
[16:09] <elfy> yep
[16:09] <knome> so *no* default loading from the database
[16:10] <knome> then you could also use non-default filters
[16:10] <knome> example:
[16:10] <knome> i usually filter out everything else then xubuntu, but i might want to search for xubuntu and studio
[16:11] <knome> another question
[16:11] <knome> i guess elfy might be able to answer this...
[16:11] <elfy> indeed - I'd generally be wanting say Xubuntu, this month, arch
[16:11] <knome> what's the difference between the "defect summary" and the bug list(s) in the history?
[16:12] <knome> s/arch/testsuite/
[16:12] <knome> IF ONLY that site was running with some code i understand..
[16:12] <elfy> :)
[16:13] <elfy> defects summary includes everything that is currently testable - precise/trusty/utopic
[16:13] <knome> right
[16:14] <pleia2> ah
[16:14] <knome> so the bug lists in the history is a partial grep of the defects summary?
[16:14] <knome> with the information about which *builds* the bugs are filed against
[16:15] <elfy> hang on - which history are you talking about here ?
[16:15] <knome> lol
[16:15] <knome> defects summary: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects
[16:15] <knome> history: "see removed and superseded builds too"
[16:15] <elfy> right
[16:15] <elfy> yea - as I said :)
[16:15] <knome> yep
[16:16] <knome> because i'm sure showing the bug lists on that view slows it down by far
[16:16] <elfy> just don't know where you are getting the history bug list
[16:16] <knome> the history shows the bug lists per build
[16:16] <knome> "lists"...
[16:16] <knome> the bug icons
[16:17] <elfy> ok - I thought there was a list I'd never found
[16:17] <elfy> :)
[16:17] <knome> nope
[16:17] <elfy> right so - difference is as I said - for sure now :p
[16:17] <knome> do you think we *need* the bug icons for each build in the history?
[16:18] <elfy> well I use them
[16:18] <knome> right
[16:18] <elfy> not as often as I would if it didn't take a week to load though :p
[16:18] <knome> yep
[16:18] <elfy> I'd refer back to last beta at the next one for instance
[16:18] <knome> i dislike the bug icon lists generally...
[16:19] <knome> i would very happily remove them and even replace with something else
[16:19] <pleia2> same
[16:19] <knome> but on the history page... i don't know what would be a sane choice
[16:19] <elfy> well - it's useful to see the number of critical bugs against a particular bug - and it's quick to scan red icons
[16:20] <elfy> s/particular build
[16:21] <pleia2> well, on pages where you don't actually need to read the bugs I can see value
[16:21] <knome> even then it could be *one* icon that opens a tooltip with a list of bugs
[16:21] <knome> in some tabular form
[16:21] <elfy> the majority of the time mouseover bug is sufficient to trigger memory
[16:22] <elfy> and the majority of issues anyone is likely to have will go if you know you're only seeing things you want to - eg xubuntu for us
[16:22] <knome> mmh.
[16:24] <elfy> actually
[16:24] <knome> yes? :)
[16:24] <elfy> if defects summary could be filtered then you'd not need so much on the history imo
[16:24]  * pleia2 nods
[16:24] <knome> yep.
[16:24] <knome> exactly
[16:24] <knome> i'd rather see a list of all bugs
[16:25] <knome> then a column that tells how many builds it affects
[16:25] <elfy> I go to history preferentially - because of that
[16:25] <knome> that sounds like changing the db structure or doing expensive queries though
[16:25] <elfy> defect summary is a pain unless you've got some idea of bug desc or package
[16:26] <knome> so
[16:26] <knome> maybe we need to file a bug against the defects summary page instead :)
[16:26] <elfy> I was looking for one the other day - didn't find it until I'd found the thing elsewhere and new the number
[16:26] <elfy> yep
[16:27] <knome> actually, i'd really like all of the bug lists to be like that
[16:27] <knome> even in the testcase pages
[16:27] <knome> that's SO much better than the bug icons
[16:27] <knome> and since all the data is loaded and output ANYWAY, it doesn't really make sense to hide the data
[16:27] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/78216/testcases/1303/results
[16:28] <knome> yep.
[16:28] <elfy> so how would you deal with the bugs listed there on the testcase page
[16:28] <knome> just list them the same way as in the defects summary
[16:28] <elfy> necessarily if it isn't an icon you're going to need to go elsewhere
[16:28] <elfy> unless
[16:29] <knome> and i would make the columns sortable.
[16:29] <knome> maybe i need to do a PoC
[16:29] <elfy> if there was a way for the tracker to recognise that I was on xubuntu testcase and aren't interested in kylin bugs
[16:29] <pleia2> knome: ++
[16:29] <knome> elfy, though you might
[16:30] <elfy> mmm
[16:30] <knome> i guess the OPTIMAL situation was
[16:30] <knome> only show bugs that are reported against the current product
[16:30] <knome> and then a link that says "Show all bugs"
[16:30] <elfy> I can just see a page with bugs listed - even if you could sort them - going to be a long list and long page
[16:30] <knome> that asynchronosly loaded the rest
[16:30] <knome> elfy, to me, that's better than the bugs list now
[16:31] <knome> and as i proposed in the pad
[16:31] <knome> there should be a button to add to the critical bugs/bugs list
[16:31] <knome> so you could practically go through the list
[16:31] <pleia2> yeah
[16:31] <knome> and clickety-click
[16:31] <pleia2> right now it's very awkward x_x
[16:31] <elfy> that would work it seems
[16:32]  * knome checks the tracker code
[16:33] <elfy> pleia2: if you don't know the bug numbers and are dipping in and out - which the majority of people do - I would agree
[16:34] <pleia2> even if you know the bug numbers, I don't want to type it :)
[16:35] <elfy> well I don't clear stuff on this browser - so I tend to have groups of bug numbers in there - and I just start typing and bob IS my uncle - there is the group of bugs I need to report again ;)
[16:35] <pleia2> you are a testing machine
[16:36] <elfy> not so much this cycle
[16:36] <pleia2> anyway, yeah, a newcomer won't have that, and I didn't so much
[16:36] <elfy> yep
[16:36] <elfy> a *list* on the tracker page would work better
[16:37] <knome> hrr hrr.
[16:37] <pleia2> a list, then you click on the + button to add it to the bugs list
[16:37] <elfy> filtering on defect summary would be awesome - more awesomer than history - but history still needs it
[16:38] <elfy> so a new bug for the defect summary so far
[16:39] <knome> and we probably need a new bug for the testcase pages as well
[16:40] <knome> to use the bug table instead of the bug icons
[16:41] <elfy> I mean ...
[16:42] <elfy> defect summary has bugs for Precise Alpha 1 on it ...
[16:42] <knome> yes
[16:42] <elfy> and one of those goes back to natty lol
[16:43] <knome> :P
[16:45] <pleia2> hah
[16:45] <elfy> defects summary - small issue - but what do the column title mean
[16:47] <elfy> I guess com is comments, sub is subscribed, dup duplicates
[16:47] <knome> yes
[16:47] <elfy> wouldn't bug heat be more useful than knowing who many comments there were
[16:47] <knome> yes
[16:48] <knome> or simply the status
[16:48] <elfy> and what use is dupes if there's nothing to say which dupes
[16:48] <knome> well, you can go to LP and look
[16:48] <elfy> dupe adds heat anyway
[16:48] <knome> yes
[16:48] <elfy> as does subscribers
[16:48] <knome> i agree showing heat would be better than showing those columns
[16:49] <knome> same with the bug tooltips
[16:50] <elfy> I'm happy to do the bugs for this - but for defect summary - 1 bug with a list? seperate bugs for each issue?
[16:51] <knome> i'd say just one bug is enough
[16:51] <knome> once you've filed the bugs, i can comment/edit the descriptions :)
[16:51] <elfy> lol
[16:51] <knome> i mean, to fill in details
[16:52] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:54] <elfy> does that cover defects summary and testcase report
[16:56] <pleia2> hopefully
[16:56] <pleia2> what else?
[16:57] <elfy> not thinking of anything else
[16:57] <pleia2> I think the etherpad pretty well describes the issues I've been having
[16:57] <elfy> ok
[16:58] <pleia2> separately, would be nice to add some bug reporting tips to some of our testcases
[16:58] <pleia2> we can do that though :)
[16:59] <pleia2> most new people will have no idea what ubiquity is, for instance
[16:59] <pleia2> so adding some tips around installer instructions with "if you find a bug here, submit bug against ubiquity"
[16:59] <pleia2> I still find the bug reporting to be the hardest part of the process :\
[17:00] <elfy> pleia2: so do I ;)
[17:01]  * pleia2 just comes in here and asks
[17:01] <pleia2> :)
[17:01] <elfy> though tbh my pet hate are people who mark an install testcase as failed because they've got an issue with a package somewhere
[17:01] <pleia2> well, to be fair, there isn't great documentation about what passed/failed means afaik
[17:02] <pleia2> maybe some info about that in the tracker too!
[17:02] <elfy> pleia2: so a bit of expansion on problems encountered ...  list?
[17:02] <pleia2> well, more like an info clicky thing on each of the fields in the tracekr
[17:03] <pleia2> I know there's a bug out there for "Hardware profile"
[17:03] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1017207
[17:03] <pleia2> so pretty much that for all of them
[17:03] <elfy> pleia2: saw that this morning when I was looking at the list - I never ever use that thing
[17:04] <pleia2> exactly
[17:04] <elfy> officially - if something doesn't do EXACTLY as the testcase says it should be a fail
[17:05] <pleia2> sure, *I* know that :)
[17:05] <elfy> any lubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu test at the moment should be a Fail as they all have the cangraphical-=no issue :)
[17:05] <pleia2> indeed
[17:05] <elfy> if you do it via vbox at least
[17:06] <pleia2> is there a writeup anywhere about what these fields mean?
[17:06] <elfy> hard to know what to write - people have failed installs because the box with the writing goes full screen width
[17:06] <pleia2> or should we write them and voluntell knome to make a patch to link to descriptions
[17:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: indeed, we should test it out and see if there are any glaring issues
[17:07] <pleia2> (or if it doesn't seem important, ok, but it can be tricky to know what each field means for new folks and this seems like an easy-ish one to fix)
[17:07] <elfy> pleia2: I'm not even sure how to go about it - I'd pass for things other people would fail critically
[17:07] <pleia2> yeah, that seems like a problem
[17:08] <elfy> and then is the fail because it's a fail, or because the testcase is not quite right
[17:09] <knome> pleia2, aha :)
[17:09] <pleia2> knome: <3
[17:10] <knome> pleia2, any idea what " URL: depends on the underlying entry " means on the LP api?
[17:10] <knome> how do i figure out the URL?
[17:10] <pleia2> lp api lol
[17:10] <pleia2> so no, not so much
[17:10] <pleia2> its error messages always confound me
[17:13] <pleia2> knome: so, think you can draw me some pretty pictures to show balloons this week re: defects/reports
[17:14] <knome> no idea
[17:14] <pleia2> haha
[17:14] <knome> when do you meet him?
[17:15] <pleia2> we're doing a presentation together on Thursday at Ubucon, but I'm sure I'll be seeing him Thurs-Saturday
[17:15] <pleia2> haven't firmed up a time to chat QA yet
[17:15] <knome> oh
[17:15] <knome> then probably
[17:15] <knome> but... no hard promises
[17:15] <pleia2> ok
[17:15] <pleia2> I'll do my best to describe if I have no visual aids :)
[17:19] <pleia2> alright, if we're done here it's time for me to go out for a run
[17:19] <elfy> have fun pleia2 - thanks :)
[17:20] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:23]  * knome facepalms
[17:23] <elfy> knome: go for your life bug 1366579
[17:24] <knome> lol
[17:29] <elfy> ripped the testcase page stuff from the pad :)
[17:31] <elfy> bug 1366581
[17:31] <elfy> biab
[17:48] <knome> https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu?ws.op=searchTasks&tags=[%22iso-testing%22,%22trusty%22]&tags_combinator=All&importance=Critical
[17:48] <knome> json for all critical bugs filed against trusty and reported in the iso tracker
[17:49] <knome> doesn't take long to grep that list
[17:49] <knome> if we only had tags for products and builds, we could create our own lists
[17:49] <knome> builds would be overkill, granted...
[17:50] <knome> but product would be good
[18:26] <brainwash> bluesabre: you didn't add a comment to bug 1357090 yet, are you maybe confused by the comments like I am? this whole report is just meh
[18:29] <brainwash> black screen on lid close.. black screen on logout.. :D


[19:59] <jnbek> hello, I apologize for coming in here to ask, any English speakers here, I found a word in a number of Danish language documents, Frcrnde I was wondering if someone could offer a translation as to what this word means?
[20:12] <pixiarvai> jnbek, i can try :) what word are we talking about?
[20:12] <jnbek> Frcrnde
[20:13] <jnbek> these are older documents, 1850sish
[20:13] <jnbek> I'm doing Genealogical research for the name Paatrud, from Norway, and I got alot of hits to these documents
[20:13] <pixiarvai> ahh ok. that explains why i don't know it
[20:14] <jnbek> from what I've found so far, it might be a surname
[20:14] <jnbek> I just wanted to make sure it wasn't some kind of abbreviation
[20:15] <jarlen> It looks like your misreading the letter
[20:15] <pixiarvai> i have the latest dictionary. i can try to look it up
[20:16] <pixiarvai> but im pretty sure that it dosn't exist
[20:16] <jnbek> thanks guys, I appreciate it :)
[20:17] <jarlen> maybe the letters has been blurred out where you've read it
[20:19] <pixiarvai> i can't find it. do you have a link to the document online?
[20:19] <jnbek> maybe, http://books.google.com/books?id=3gdDAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=Paatrud&source=bl&ots=v4vby141Z4&sig=SjKS7nB11Ox1Iu1slp6X8rDhx3o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lOYoUpKTH8KdiQK5m4DoAw&ved=0CGMQ6AEwBzgK is the book I found it, in the phrase in context is:
[20:19] <jnbek> ... satte ulcrrde Dra- velsmcrnd til Biflopper, aldrig ftraffede sine Tjenere og Foge- der, samt vilde paatrue Sverige sin Frcrnde, Hertug Bugis- lav, til Konge.
[20:20] <jnbek> brb
[20:22] <pixiarvai> i got it :) . give me 2 minuttes
[20:22] <jnbek> awesome
[20:25] <pixiarvai> its a problem with the danish letter "æ" in frænde. that means "slægtning" in danish, and can be translate to :
[20:26] <pixiarvai> relative or relation
[20:27] <jnbek> I see
[20:28] <jnbek> so the print press likely wasn't able to render the æ letter legibly
[20:28] <jnbek> so google's reader munged it into c
[20:29] <jnbek> now that makes sense :)
[20:30] <jnbek> so samt vilde paa true Sverige sin frænde translates clean to and wild to threaten Sweden's kinsman
[20:30] <jnbek> thanks guys!!!
[20:30] <pixiarvai> frænde can also means: kinsman (from my dictionary)
[20:30] <pixiarvai> and google says the same http://translate.google.dk/#da/en/fr%C3%A6nde
[20:31] <jnbek> any problem with me lurking in here and asking for further assistance ?
[20:31] <jnbek> :D
[20:31] <pixiarvai> no. we dont have many visitors, so just come back again :)
[20:34] <jnbek> awesome, thanks :)
[20:44] <pixiarvai> jnbek,  perhabs you can use this site in the future http://www.dsn.dk/ro/ro.htm
[20:45] <jnbek> bookmarked
[20:47] <pixiarvai> and this one http://ordnet.dk/  . notice that one of theme are "1700 ti 1950".
[20:47] <pixiarvai> ti=to
[20:47] <pixiarvai> http://www.denstoredanske.dk/
[20:49] <pixiarvai> and i know this site from my historyteacher http://danmarkshistorien.dk/


[03:30] <OvenWerks> so plugin two usb devices (jack master is internal) and two sets of bridges start. Great.
[03:30] <OvenWerks> now unplug one of them.... all four bridges vanish.
[03:31] <OvenWerks> do the same thing but this time unplug the other one first. Now only the bridges for the device you pulled vanish.
[03:32] <OvenWerks> Turns out it is the difference between break and continue
[04:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I expect you may not see it tonight but another release...
[04:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Saw the email and uploaded.
[04:27] <OvenWerks> Thank you.


[07:37] <ara> good morning fellow testers!
[08:20] <davmor2> Morning Everybody
[08:22] <ara> morning davmor2 :-)
[08:42] <davmor2> ara: did you like the line further down about you now have 2 install cd's to give away?
[08:42] <ara> davmor2: definitely!
[08:47] <davmor2> ara: this afternoon I'm going to finish off my screenshots of Kubuntu and start uploading them to pages need to smoke test first though :)
[08:47] <ara> davmor2: cool :-)
[08:58] <davmor2> Oh Lovely Bubbly :)  New backdrop
[09:36] <davmor2> anyone running a gnome based intrepid?
[09:42] <persia> Kinda.  What do you need checked?
[09:43] <davmor2> persia: when you open up FF does it go past the top panel?
[09:44] <persia> Oh.  I'm not close enough to Ubuntu Desktop to have firefox.  Sorry.
[09:45] <davmor2> persia: no worries
[09:47] <ara> davmor2: i am running gnome ubuntu
[09:48] <davmor2> ara: when you open up FF does it go past the top panel?
[09:48] <ara> davmor2: not it does not, but i remember experiencing something similar when I had the visual effects (compiz) on
[09:48] <ara> davmor2: are you running compiz?
[09:49] <davmor2> compiz by default yeap
[09:54] <ara> davmor2: try to disable that and try again
[09:55] <ara> davmor2: this is the known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/99740
[09:56]  * ara has to reboot
[10:26] <davmor2> heno: morning
[10:26] <heno> morning davmor2
[10:27] <davmor2> heno: found a couple of bug smoke testing ubuntu this morning :(
[10:30]  * heno tries to launch his browser while doing an upgrade
[10:31] <heno> davmor2: are they on the smoke wiki page?
[10:31] <davmor2> will be as soon as I finish the test :)
[10:32] <heno> ok, I may have my browser working too by then :)
[10:33] <davmor2> heno: That doesn't sound good :(
[11:01] <heno> works now :)
[11:02]  * heno reboots
[11:30] <davmor2> heno: Welcome back smoke test results with bugs for ubuntu are up even though I'm still testing it :)
[11:33] <heno> davmor2: saw your firefox/compiz bugs, thanks
[11:54] <persia> Has anyone tested/used usb-creator?  It fails to start for me when called without arguments.
[11:55] <davmor2> persia: not touched it.
[11:56] <persia> Hmm.  I hate burning CDs for dailies, and want to test stuffwith HW != KVM.
[12:01] <davmor2> persia: who is listed as the author have a word with them :)
[12:02]  * persia is delayed by the failure of the flat earth society to have successfully convinced all local governing bodies to use UTC.
[12:07] <heno> persia: have you tried unetbootin? (see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick) WFM
[12:08] <persia> heno: Thanks.  I'll try that.  usb-creator is supposed to be the officially supported means of doing it, and just passed it's MIR, so I thought I'd give it a try.
[12:30] <davmor2> ara: are you running compiz on your gnome system?  if so can you stop using it until the screensaver kicks in please?
[12:31] <ara> davmor2: I don't use compiz
[12:31] <davmor2> Np's
[12:38]  * ara -> lunch
[15:11] <cr3> ara: sorry, I haven't had time to look into the desktop integration into checkbox but I'm hoping to look into it today
[15:12] <ara> cr3: ok, thanks
[16:08] <davmor2> testing keyboard on remote desktop viewer
[16:11] <persia> Seems to work.
[16:13] <ara> cr3: could you subscribe to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Checkbox. I will be editing it in the next few days, you could help checking all the mistakes I might do
[16:15] <cr3> ara: sure, you could already substitute "hwtest" for "checkbox" in the page
[16:15] <ara> cr3: sure, but nowadays it is still hwtest in intrepid :-)
[16:16] <ara> cr3: is checkbox as checkbox reaching intrepid?
[16:19] <cr3> ara: what's the question?
[16:19] <ara> cr3: the package is still called hwtest, and the version in intrepid has binaries hwtest*
[16:20] <ara> cr3: i remember that you were fixing the checkbox package
[16:21] <cr3> ara: I fixed the problems reported in my [needs-packaging] request on Launchpad but then asked another question: What is the proper way of handling old configuration files when creating a transitional package?
[16:21] <cr3> ara: this was never answered so I guess I'm on my own
[16:21] <ara> cr3: :(
[16:23] <cr3> ara: that's alright, I'll find a way to sort things out. it's just sometimes easier "with a little help from my friends" -- The Beatles
[16:28] <davmor2> cr3: but "you drive me crazy" -- FYC
[16:28] <davmor2> :)
[16:35] <cr3> davmor2: I know I do :)
[16:35] <davmor2> Sorry weren't we playing the song title per sentence game ;)
[16:38] <ara> Rainy days and Mondays always get me down -- The Carpenters :-P
[16:39] <davmor2> ara: "Tell Me Why I Don't Like Mondays" -- Boom Town Rats
[17:19] <ara> cr3: next Monday we are having our second testing day. Would you like to give the ~1h session about the autoinstaller?
[17:19] <ara> cr3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20081006 ^
[17:21] <liw> sbeattie, I get a lot of 'rsync: link_stat "/hardy/dvd/current/MD5SUMS" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2)' with the current dl-ubuntu-test-iso
[17:22] <liw> sbeattie, also, QUIET=true doesn't actually make things quiet, some rsync output still leaks
[17:22] <sbeattie> liw: hrm.
[17:22] <sbeattie> Thought I fixed the latter.
[17:23] <liw> sbeattie, i have revision 23 from bzr, md5sum cf29e542e37f3a58b6f3f51ce9a561a0  bin/dl-ubuntu-test-iso
[17:23] <liw> (just so we speak of the same version)
[17:23] <sbeattie> Is it just the MD5SUMs file that's reporting no such file, or is the iso missing as well?
[17:24] <liw> just the MD5SUMS
[17:37] <liw> sbeattie, some day I'll want to have a progress bar for the downloads :)
[17:37] <liw> but at that point it's going to be better to stop maintaining the script in shell
[17:55] <heno> davmor2: how are you finding cdimage today? (slow here)
[17:56] <davmor2> heno: pass I use my server to cron the images down now first thing
[17:58] <davmor2> heno: yes it's crawling
[17:58] <heno> davmor2: ok, looking into it with the sysadmins
[17:59] <davmor2> heno: might just be demand :)
[17:59] <liw> dl-ubuntu-test-iso seems to be using chromium, and I'm getting just over 2 MB/s
[18:01] <heno> I'm getting 200kb/s
[18:01] <heno> (with dl-ubuntu-test-iso also)
[18:01] <liw> (i.e., I'm more or less saturating my downlink)
[18:02] <davmor2> heno: might be high demand for internet in you local area slowing it down
[18:02] <davmor2> try first thing in the morning :)
[18:03] <heno> I'm just worried about the download speed generally as we approach release
[18:04] <heno> when we may need to refresh quickly
[18:36] <stgraber> heno: yeah, it was quite slow lately. I usually try chromium directly as they turned off the DNS load balancing (everything goes to beryllium)
[19:27] <davmor2> heno: the bug list increases :(
[19:36] <davmor2> heno: Probably real testing tomorrow is that correct?
[19:37] <heno> davmor2: that's my best guess, yes
[19:37] <davmor2> heno: cool a bit longer to test :)
[19:44] <davmor2> Oh well I'm going
[19:48]  * stgraber gets 900KB/s from chromium, not that bad