[02:45] <duflu> Trevinho, hi(?), it seems you landed on the wrong page/date: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-updates-monday-17th-february-2020/14395/14
[07:09] <didrocks> good morning
[07:10] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:10] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:12] <jibel> bonjour à tous
[07:13] <jibel> didrocks, if I read it well, the zsys MIR has been approved
[07:13] <jibel> \o/
[07:14] <didrocks> jibel: yes! It seems to be the case, both on the bug and trello card!
[07:14] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[07:16] <jibel> i didn't look at the card
[07:17] <jibel> Laney, are you looking at the build failure of desktop images of focal?
[07:17] <jibel> I reported bug 1864608 to track it
[07:26] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:26] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, jibel and anyone I missed
[07:26] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:29] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:08] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:09] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:09] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[08:09] <duflu> seb128, headache but not too bad. You?
[08:10] <seb128> duflu, the day is only starting here but I'm good so far :)
[08:10] <seb128> didrocks, congrats on getting the zsys MIR finally approved :)
[08:12] <didrocks> seb128: yeah!  I'll post the rls-bugs shortly.
[08:58] <marcustomlinson> morning duflu didrocks oSoMoN jibel seb128 and Wimpress
[08:58] <marcustomlinson> :)
[08:58] <seb128> Wimpress, thanks
[08:59] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?
[08:59] <marcustomlinson> seb128: bleh :P
[08:59] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:59] <marcustomlinson> nah, alright thanks, yourself?
[08:59] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I'm good thanks, could have used more sleep but that's often the case right? :)
[08:59] <marcustomlinson> gonna miss you guys next week :/
[08:59] <seb128> we are going to miss you as well!
[08:59] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[09:02] <Laney> moin
[09:02] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:02] <Laney> seb128: AH thanks I started writing that yesterday but got distracted by uploading gnome stuff and forgot to do it
[09:02] <Laney> you summary police
[09:02] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:02] <Laney> do you like go and tick off the list or something?
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:02] <seb128> :p
[09:02] <Laney> do it for the rls bugs too?
[09:02] <seb128> see backlog :)
[09:03] <seb128> but yeah, for people not updating, good point
[09:03] <seb128> I think the rls thing doesn't work great atm, that's on my list of topic to discuss next week
[09:04] <Laney> well if everybody ignores something then yes by definition it's not working
[09:04] <Laney> would be the same for team updates if nobody did that
[09:05] <Laney> jibel: today's image built
[09:06] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:07] <jibel> Laney, thanks
[09:07] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson duflu and didrocks too
[09:08] <jibel> is there a know issue with snapd.seeded.service failing to start on focal and blocking default.target?
[09:08] <seb128> not known by me at least
[09:10] <seb128> brb, changing location
[09:41] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I think I've found a relatively clean way of doing these snap transitions in update-manager now
[09:41] <seb128> marcustomlinson, ah, nice!
[09:42] <Trevinho> duflu: indeed I did, thanks :P
[09:42] <marcustomlinson> (I think I just needed to sleep on it)
[09:43] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[09:43] <Trevinho> hi seb128 all good :)
[09:43] <Trevinho> yourself?
[09:43] <seb128> marcustomlinson, glad that you got unblocked, I hadn't forgotton you but the morning tend to be busy
[09:44] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm good!
[09:45] <marcustomlinson> seb128: np! thanks for the shoulder to cry on last night
[09:45] <marcustomlinson> I'll shout if I get stuck again
[09:46] <duflu> Morning Trevinho ;)
[09:46] <Trevinho> hi duflu
[10:09] <seb128> kenvandine, the gnome-clocks-master snap fails to build because it wants glib 2.58 and the one it gets (from the platform?) is too old
[10:16] <seb128> ricotz, hey, is there any chance you could look at the indicator-keyboard build issue? I reported https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/issues/456 to pango upstream but got no reply, but we will need to get it rebuilt with the new gnome-desktop soname now so I wonder if there is any easy change we can do on the indicator side to restore build
[10:16] <gitbot> GNOME issue 456 in pango "Gir error, symbol PangoFc could not be found" [Opened]
[10:21] <ricotz> seb128, this pango issue looks the same as https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/issues/458
[10:21] <gitbot> GNOME issue 458 in pango "Gir: no type defined for hb_feature_t" [Opened]
[10:28] <seb128> ricotz, ah, thanks ... so we need harfbuz and pango updates in Debian/Ubuntu then I guess?
[10:31] <ricotz> seb128, no, the easiest is to add some metadata for PangoFT2-1.0 to indicator-keyboard
[10:31] <ricotz> nonetheless those gir deps need to be fixed in pango upstream
[10:32] <ricotz> I will try to take a look later
[10:39] <seb128> ricotz, thx
[11:00] <kenvandine> seb128, I have a build of clocks that uses the new build snap, just waiting for the gnome-3-34 extension to land
[11:02] <tkamppeter> seb128, weekly summary done.
[12:07] <ricotz> seb128, it is a pango meson bug
[12:08] <ricotz> seb128, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1132106
[12:09] <ricotz> so the generated PangoFc-1.0.gir is not fully correct
[12:27] <ricotz> seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/-/commit/63c3eb8b7aa6ee9397c1d89a232514583f464fb5
[13:13] <Laney> tracker's crashing on current isos :'(
[13:14] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker-miners/+bug/1864153
[13:25] <jibel> on focal in general, not only the iso
[13:25] <jibel> I got this crash after this morning's update
[13:25] <Laney> believable
[13:30] <jibel> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864651
[14:02] <seb128> ricotz, thanks!
[14:22] <seb128> tkamppeter, unsure if you noticed but Locutusofborg fixed your sane-backends build, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/1.0.29-0ubuntu5
[14:23] <seb128> jamesh, kenvandine, weekly status update?
[14:25] <kenvandine> seb128: sorry... I could have sworn I did that on friday!
[14:25] <kenvandine> maybe I posted it to the wrong week :)
[14:26] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:26] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:26] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN !
[14:27] <seb128> hey Heather! how are you?
[14:27] <hellsworth> hi seb128 , i'm pretty good. you?
[14:27] <seb128> jibel, you should probably flag that issue to the snapd team if that hasn't been done yet
[14:27] <seb128> hellsworth, I'm great, thanks! :)
[14:27] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:28] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: so did a simple rebuild of lo for arm64 do the trick?
[14:28] <hellsworth> it was still going when i stopped working yesterday so lemme go check
[14:30] <seb128> k, it's meeting time
[14:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-25
[14:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 25 14:31:00 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:31] <hellsworth> o/
[14:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:31] <oSoMoN>                  \o
[14:32] <seb128> oSoMoN, don't move so far to the right!
[14:32] <seb128> k, let's get started
[14:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:33] <kenvandine> o/
[14:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <seb128> no desktop item
[14:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:34] <seb128> nothing interesting there, either old/incomplete bugs or the nm ones we still didn't sort out (probably going to be easier to do in Frankfurt now)
[14:34] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:35] <seb128> nothing for desktop
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:35] <seb128> nothing interested there
[14:35] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+bug/1797734
[14:36] <seb128> I need to talk to duflu about champagne use...
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, I guess just an untag for that one?
[14:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:36] <marcustomlinson> agreed
[14:36] <marcustomlinson> not as important if it's no longer seeded
[14:37] <seb128> bug #1864127
[14:37] <oSoMoN> I need to look into that one
[14:37] <seb128> I don't think there is enough data to convince me to rls track for now
[14:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, should we just assign to you for investigation and revisit next week once you looked?
[14:38] <oSoMoN> from a very cursory look, it sounds like a problem of the snap refreshing while running
[14:39] <oSoMoN> seb128, I don't think assigning is even needed, I have the tab open and I'll request more info
[14:39] <seb128> right
[14:39] <seb128> ack
[14:40] <seb128> bug #1864260
[14:40] <seb128> looks like that was fixed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs60/60.8.0-2ubuntu4
[14:40] <oSoMoN> (not that I mind being assigned, but it might give a false impression that I'm acknowledging the bug before even being convinced that it's an actual problem)
[14:40] <seb128> I'm closing it
[14:40] <seb128> oSoMoN, right
[14:41] <seb128> bug #1864274
[14:41] <seb128> I will ask for details on this one
[14:42] <oSoMoN> or I could do it, but thanks for the offer :)
[14:42] <Laney> accept then?
[14:43] <seb128> Laney, I'm a bit lost of what to do from the champagne to be honest, I don't think the intend there was to raise it as a rls bug ... so yeah, I probably say rls-not-fixing?
[14:44] <seb128> hopefully we can have a proper cross team discussion about those next week
[14:44] <seb128> Laney, also it just reminded me I forgot to review/comment on your email draft, sorry about that!
[14:44] <seb128> so -1 from me for that one/ rls-ff-notfixing
[14:44] <seb128> other opinions?
[14:45] <Laney> it is sort of the intent but you've argued against that multiple times now so I don't think you are minded to accept it being done this way
[14:45] <Laney> maybe you want to take over proposing a process from me
[14:46] <hellsworth> can we just evealuate it after the reporter provides more details/video?
[14:46] <seb128> let's discuss later (probably next week?)
[14:46] <hellsworth> sgtm
[14:46] <kenvandine> good topic for the sprint
[14:47] <seb128> I've asked for details
[14:47] <seb128> right
[14:47] <hellsworth> i saw that
[14:47] <seb128> let's move on
[14:47] <Laney> I personally think it's fine to assign to someone and let them close it if necessary
[14:47] <Laney> that's a valid outcome
[14:47] <kenvandine> I agree
[14:47] <hellsworth> i agree with Laney
[14:47] <seb128> so assign & untag?
[14:48] <seb128> or tag not-fixing?
[14:48] <hellsworth> assign & untag
[14:48] <hellsworth> or just assign
[14:48] <seb128> if we 'just assign' it's stay on the list and we see it again next week
[14:49] <hellsworth> but you ask the assignee to do simething with it before then
[14:49] <hellsworth> whether tag or close or w/e
[14:49] <kenvandine> if we leave it tagged we can keep track of the status of all champagne bugs as they are being worked
[14:49] <kenvandine> dunno
[14:49] <seb128> right
[14:49] <hellsworth> also, i'm the new kid so this is my naive perspective :)
[14:49] <seb128> we are not likely to solve that today, let's ignore the issue for another week I say
[14:49] <kenvandine> i'd say assign and leave tagged
[14:50] <seb128> let's do that for this week
[14:50]  * Laney shrugs
[14:50] <seb128> Laney, don't shrug too much, I think I'm just being lost on what the process should be for case that need info
[14:51] <seb128> or maybe it's obvious and no-enough-info -> not ready to be rls accept -> notfixing
[14:51] <hellsworth> we should have champagne with our champagne discussion next week 🎉
[14:51] <kenvandine> +1
[14:51] <seb128> anyway I don't want to make everyone waste time because I'm confused
[14:51] <hellsworth> i think you're not the only one that's confused about how this tag should be used seb128
[14:52] <oSoMoN> yeah, definitely not the only one
[14:52] <hellsworth> so it's not wasting time to discuss it but we can better discuss it in person next week
[14:52] <seb128> right
[14:52] <seb128> that's an agreement
[14:52] <seb128> moving on from that discussion until next week then!
[14:52] <Laney> better ignore my proposed email then
[14:52] <seb128> bug #1864577
[14:53] <seb128> it's minor but I think it's a regression
[14:53] <hellsworth> i think we should fix it
[14:53] <seb128> I would tend to vote +1
[14:53] <hellsworth> +1
[14:53] <kenvandine> definately +1
[14:53] <seb128> kenvandine, assigned to Robert is fine?
[14:53] <hellsworth> looks like low hanging fruit
[14:53] <kenvandine> yes
[14:53] <seb128> thx
[14:55] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:56] <seb128> k, nothing interesting there, the exif one is to close, nm is known, and the last one we discussed
[14:56] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:56] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:57] <seb128> Laney, do you want to do it or should I keep that for now since I'm still active on dealing with issue for the time being?
[14:57] <Laney> you can
[14:57] <seb128> k
[14:57] <seb128> sooo
[14:57] <seb128> long list of things blocked on icu
[14:58] <seb128> + now poppler and gnome-desktop transitions started
[14:58] <hellsworth> icu was a dependency on many of these yesterday and was triggering a LO test that was failing because of a copy timeout in the build runner
[14:58] <seb128> tjaalton, are you looking at the xorg-server issues?
[14:58]  * Trevinho wonders if icu would change also mozjs tests...
[14:58] <Trevinho> (not for this though)
[14:58] <seb128> bubblewrap/libcap is being handled, there a mp upstream now
[14:59] <hellsworth> laney has increased the copy time and that improved things but the LO arm64 test was failing in a way that a retrigger has fixed for other tests so it has been retriggered and everyone cross your fingers
[14:59] <seb128> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs60/60.8.0-2ubuntu4 was a simple fix needed for mozjs60, dunno for 68
[14:59] <hellsworth> its weird that this list in update_excuses doesn't say that they depend on icu anymore..
[14:59] <seb128> hellsworth, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/focal/arm64 has failed retries from today ...
[15:00] <Trevinho> ok we've that already
[15:00] <seb128> yeah, I think the fact they stated what they were blocked on was a new improvement
[15:00] <seb128> unsure what happened/if they rolled back or if it broke for some reason
[15:00] <seb128> I will investigagte, it was useful info
[15:00] <seb128> anyway
[15:01] <seb128> out of those issues, we are good
[15:01] <hellsworth> seb128: right and the last failure that ran for 12h is what i'm looking at. that uicheck test has failed in other tests if you scroll down - glib and python - in both cases a rerun fixed it.
[15:02] <seb128> we really need an owner for gscan2pdf/arm, so please take the card if you want to volunteer
[15:02] <seb128> otherwise we will probably assign someone this week
[15:02] <seb128> it's block xorg-server and now the sane-backends update
[15:03] <seb128> and that's it for proposed migration
[15:03] <seb128> #topic AOB
[15:03] <seb128> a remainer that ff is this week
[15:03] <Laney> yes
[15:03] <seb128> Laney, go!
[15:03] <Laney> Trevinho: do you want to describe the gjs bug situation?
[15:03] <Trevinho> yeah
[15:04] <seb128> (while you do that, I state again that we could use help on GNOME updates)
[15:04] <Trevinho> so... gjs moved to use mozjs68, gnome-shell depends on latest gjs so we had to upgrade the whole stack. Now, gjs proved to be a bit unstable while doing garbage-collection
[15:04] <Trevinho> so we may have a bit more crashes...
[15:05] <Trevinho> now, there's a WIP mr that aims to improve the situation and we included in debian
[15:05] <Trevinho> but still there are reports of crashes, so updating to .35 would imply a more unstable desktop till we don't fix gjs
[15:05] <tjaalton> seb128: yes?
[15:05] <Laney> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/issues/301
[15:05] <Trevinho> now... What to do? wait for the fix to land before going .35 or not?
[15:05] <gitbot> GNOME issue 301 in gjs "Various GNOME Shell crashes during GC, mozjs68 regression" [1. Bug, 1. Crash, Opened]
[15:05] <Trevinho> thanks L
[15:06] <hellsworth> when do you think the fix will land?
[15:06] <Trevinho> personally, from random usage I didn't see many issues, but....
[15:06] <Trevinho> hellsworth: no clear idea, probably we may have to get the hands dirty to get a proper fix as upstream has not found a final solution yet
[15:06] <Trevinho> to help*
[15:07] <hellsworth> imho, i would take the safer route and wait to include .35 until the fix lands, while also trying to get it landed.
[15:07] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, what's your gut feeling?
[15:07] <hellsworth> and by i, i mean you :)
[15:07] <Trevinho> as said, we included https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/-/merge_requests/396 but not complete yet
[15:08] <seb128> can we update gnome-shell without updating gjs?
[15:08] <Trevinho> hellsworth: yeah, well... we should go past FF; so... better people to know it.
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: we *may*.
[15:08] <seb128> I should have added 'easily'
[15:08] <Trevinho> yeah, it's quite easy in fact
[15:09] <seb128> I would either do that
[15:09] <Trevinho> we may have two choices, go with gjs 1.93.. smth, I mean the one before mozjs68
[15:09] <Trevinho> *OR* just cherry-pick the required change that the shell depends on
[15:09]  * Trevinho blames himself for it xD
[15:09] <seb128> or update including mozjs68 and use a block-proposed to stop it migrating until it gets more testing/a proper fix
[15:10] <Trevinho> so using mozjs60 is still possible for a bit, but I *WON't*m suggest it for the lts, as we'd loose all the point-releases support.
[15:10] <Trevinho> plus ability of cherry-picking changes from upstream
[15:10] <seb128> right, I wouldn't suggest that enough
[15:11] <seb128> but we need to get gnome-shell some testing
[15:11] <seb128> so if it's easy I would do a first landing with mozjs60
[15:11] <seb128> and then go for 68 and block that in proposed
[15:11] <seb128> enough->either
[15:11] <seb128> other opinions?
[15:11] <Trevinho> ok, so let me try if we can just get the gjs patch out with the current gjs we've in ubuntu, and then we can try to move to the latest
[15:12] <Trevinho> it should be simple enough
[15:12] <seb128> k, that has my vote as step1 then
[15:12] <Laney> probably ok, but testing random combinations of stuff isn't great as a rule
[15:13] <seb128> right
[15:13] <Trevinho> Laney: isn't a random combination in this case, because the fact is that the only reason why new gjs is needed, is because a JS definition, nothing else
[15:13] <seb128> we should move to the new version whenever possible
[15:13] <Trevinho> but move on as soon as possible is indeed better.
[15:13] <seb128> but meanwhile there is value getting some testing of the new serie
[15:13] <Laney> it is random, because gnome doesn't expect you to use parts of their old release and parts of the new one
[15:13] <seb128> seeing new feature, potential UI/behaviour changes etc
[15:13] <Trevinho> but being gjs just an interpreter, and being js always the same lang, there should not be any problem
[15:14] <Laney> k
[15:14] <seb128> your call
[15:14] <Trevinho> given I'm the one who bumped that requirement upstream, I can define it not random :)
[15:14] <seb128> I think getting the update based on 68 blocked in proposed should be fine as well
[15:14] <seb128> :-)
[15:14] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, you got what you wanted from the discussion for now?
[15:15] <Laney> sure
[15:15] <Trevinho> but as you guys prefer, I mean, I'm ok with leaving a crashing desktop xD, but then I don't want to hear anybody at FRA blaming for it
[15:15] <Laney> we can do it
[15:15] <Laney> no guarantees though, that's likely to be a pretty untested combination
[15:15] <seb128> I would advice against having an update with a known crasher landing in focal proper
[15:15] <Laney> like nothing says you don't require some other fix in the new gjs for new shell
[15:16] <seb128> for the reason you just stated
[15:16] <Laney> but it might or even is likely to be ok
[15:16] <seb128> right
[15:17] <Trevinho> Laney: unless I missed something, no... Or we can actually use the *expected* version as I said, so 1.63.2 (mozjs60 based)
[15:17] <seb128> well let's block in propose and do a round of in team testing first
[15:17] <Trevinho> that wouldn't be random, but the one upstream requires
[15:17] <Trevinho> so, as you guys prefer. But just a patch could be enough imho.
[15:18] <seb128> Trevinho, you are the mainainer (upstream & downstream), do what you believe is the best :)
[15:18] <seb128> k, enough on that for now, we can keep discussing after the meeting if needed
[15:18] <seb128> any other topic?
[15:18] <seb128> I do another round of reminders
[15:18] <seb128> - we could use extra hands for GNOME updates
[15:19] <seb128> - ff is thursday, land your features!
[15:19] <Trevinho> - Signup at https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 for GNOME packaging :)
[15:20] <Trevinho> - https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop-packages.html to see what's missing
[15:20] <seb128> lets wrap on that note then!
[15:20] <seb128> thx for the urls Trevinho :)
[15:20] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 25 15:20:56 2020 UTC.
[15:20] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-02-25-14.31.moin.txt
[15:22] <Trevinho> seb128: could you look into libgusb update or should I? Given that it helps with libfprint (not sure the changes you had to do for testing was caused by that)
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, I can have a look
[15:23] <seb128> you are busy enough
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, also please look at your query, unsure what's going on without IRC client :)
[15:26] <Trevinho> seb128: just too many notifications everywhere... And now, signal! :(
[15:27] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: fyi, I commented on https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864127
[15:28] <didrocks> during MIR meeting ->  doko | apparently, desktop just asking kernel for a take over on -devel ;p
[15:28] <didrocks> seb128: do you know what this is about? I’m out of context
[15:28] <seb128> didrocks, I would guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/1862776
[15:29] <seb128> didrocks, which would be funny seeing that doko opened the bug and he's the one who assigned to Kernel Packages
[15:29] <didrocks> yeah, I’m requested to review it now
[15:29] <didrocks> apparently
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks, I guess that's what you get for trying to be nice and help other teams, I should have let it to be completed by the kernel team
[15:30] <didrocks> I don’t have slots for doing it before next week though
[15:34] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, no hurry, but also feel free to bounce back from taking it, it's not a desktop item, it's a hwe one
[15:34] <seb128> didrocks, oem teams want those to support new hardware
[15:34] <didrocks> I guess I can have a look, but not timely for FF
[15:38] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, ack, thanks! that's my suspicion too
[15:40] <seb128> bah
[15:43] <seb128> e-d-s fails to build with
[15:43] <seb128> 'dh_girepository: Could not find ICalGLib-3.0.typelib dependency'
[15:44] <seb128> ricotz, ^ any idea about that one? ;)
[15:45] <Laney> seb128: do you have the new libical-dev?
[15:45] <Laney> there was something like that that I fixed a couple of weeks ago
[15:46]  * ricotz suspects a broken ical install too
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, oh, the update is blocked in proposed
[15:47] <seb128> thx for pointing that out
[15:47] <Laney> yeah, icu :(
[16:23] <k_alam> seb128: Hi, u there ?
[17:16] <k_alam> seb128: I have made few unity merges here. Can you review ?
[17:19] <k_alam> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1863584


[06:33] <edakiri> Does contributing code to Upstart require a copyright assignment?  This would have you believe so: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html


[00:20] <jrwren> what island?
[00:51] <rick_h_> mackinaw
[01:32] <_stink_> yeah the island has lots of bats if i understand correctly
[01:32] <_stink_> so fewer bugs
[01:52] <rick_h_> woot
[01:52] <rick_h_> the boy is a huge fan of bats lately
[15:04] <jrwren> oh awesome! mackinac island!
[17:43] <cmaloney>  lGood afternoon


[10:24] <samba35> do i require vt-d / iommu for dpdk to use with pci nic even ?
[10:24] <samba35> using 16.04
[13:30] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help, I can't start MySQL after a server upgrade
[13:30] <jonah> I get "apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/sys/devices/system/node/" pid=4418 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=102 ouid=0
[13:30] <jonah> and similar errors like that
[14:16] <jonah> hi turns out ibdata1 is filling my var partition! Does anyone know what causes this or how to fix it please?
[14:57] <jonah> Hi does anyone please know if it is safe to shrink my /home partition which is a logical volume lvm, then add the spare space to /var?
[15:39] <sypher> jonah: Depends entirely on what filesystem /home is.
[20:19] <marlinc> Is there a alternative for apt-check to programatically check for updates and security updates in Xenial?
[20:21] <bekks> Why do you need an alternative?
[20:22] <marlinc> Does it still exist? I can't find it that's why :)
[20:27] <marlinc> Oh it does still exist, great!
[22:13] <Village> Good time, i want help, don't understand how too activate Failover (New IP to DS system)
[22:47] <RoyK> Village: what sort of failover?
[22:48] <RoyK> Village: I mean - whole server, or some service, virtualisation or physical (etc)
[22:50] <Village> If really something don't happening, i don't know where issue, i try link new IP with existing DS system
[22:51] <Village> But it's don't works, so i afraid write to support becuase i don't know from what side issue
[23:10] <madratrace> I am trying to logprof the apache profile but I am getting into a loop where it doesn't seem to go anywhere unless I abort the process. more specific the offending entry is about the default hat : default URI , no matter what option I choose unless i choose abo(r)t it keeps asking for input
[23:11] <madratrace> anyone tried to train apache on apparmor?
[23:16] <JanC> madratrace: I think there is a preliminary profile in the 'apparmor-profiles-extra' package?
[23:17] <JanC> most likely it needs changes for local configuration though...
[23:18] <madratrace> JanC: haven't installed this tbh nor apparmor-profiles
[23:19] <madratrace> JanC: only thing i tried was installing the apache apparmor mod
[23:20] <madratrace> JanC: but profiling gives me exactly the same behaviour, it gets stuck at hat policies
[23:20] <madratrace> JanC: So I uninstalled it


[00:53] <Ricardus> Im having trouble figuring out how to add virtual desktops with the latest LTS of ubuntu studio. I went up to the top bar and right clicked to add the widget for multipe desktops, and it didn't add it to the toolbar when I clicked. So I tried a couple more times. Now it has the number (5) on it and it will only go up, not down. It doesn't seem very intuitive.
[02:18] <Eickmeyer> Ricardus: You'll find that information by opening system settings and search for virtual desktops.
[02:26] <Ricardus> Eickmeyer: my issue is the part with the widgets, and getting that number to one, which is what I think I need there.
[02:27] <Ricardus> I can add the desktops but then my widget field on top blows up with way too many of the virtual desktop widgets
[02:28] <Eickmeyer> Ricardus: I understand that. In the system settings, you can make them all vertical which would let you make the widget smaller.
[02:36] <Ricardus> its adding too many widgets. Because when I right clicked on the widget bad and opened this window, THIS happened.
[02:36] <Ricardus> Eickmeyer: https://imgur.com/a/bjPXmHG
[02:36] <Ricardus> see how the widget slector on the right has a 7 in it, it adds 7 widgets to the top bar. How do I get that number back to 1.
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> Ricardus: Remove the top bar, right-click on the desktop, and add "Ubuntu Studio Default Panel". It'll be the default panel. But adding the widget doesn't add more virtual desktops; that's added from system settings.
[03:39] <Ricardus> Eickmeyer: That did it. Thank you.
[17:16] <sem> Hey all! I took the plunge to install Ubuntu Studio again, this time 23.10 on a desktop instead of the laptop. I'm liking it so far!
[17:17] <sem> Oh no.. when do we have to start using matrix?
[17:48] <OvenWerks> sem: I don't know.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> sem: but yeah that seems to be the direction things are headed.
[17:51] <OvenWerks> There do not seem to be any CLI versions of matrix client. There seems to be some wierd thing where a matrix client I installed but no longer use still sends me email at any new messages. can't figure out how to turn that off.
[17:52] <OvenWerks> 23.10 has worked fine for me too. Normally I use LTS but this machine has HW that needed a newer kernel than 2204.
[17:54] <sem> Nice, I thought since we're so close to 24.04, 23.10 would be a better experience than 22.04 and so far everything I've tried has worked
[17:54] <sem> My main gripe with matrix is how many more features is has compared to irc
[17:55] <sem> More complexity, more lag, more failures
[17:55] <sem> Only one client that really works
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, sem: Hopefully it'll be bridged, but bridging comes with its own challenges, that's why Matrix will be primary.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The email part is in the Matrix client you uninstalled, (probably Element) and needs to be turned off from there. I think I know what option you're talking about.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Here's a terminal/text-based client: https://github.com/tulir/gomuks
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> sem: The lag is mostly due to matrix.org being overwhelmed, which is one reason why ubuntu has made its own server.
[19:12] <sem> Eickmeyer, thanks for the tips! I'm glad to hear that makes it less laggy
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Additionally, as time has gone on, more clients have been better, but the Ubuntu Matrix Council has been recommending Element.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> sem: Yw. :)


[12:34] <penguin42> hi
[12:34] <penguin42> I find the new grey on white harder to read than the old version of launchpad
[12:35] <radix> I hope everyone has noticed that most of the comments on http://lwn.net/Articles/228868/  are about how terrible the fonts in LP 1.0 are
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Just that they're too small and grey?
[12:36] <radix> pretty much, yeah
[12:37] <Fujitsu> There are bugs filed on both of those.
[12:37] <penguin42> do you happen to know which ones?
[12:37] <radix> yes, I filed one of them
[12:37] <radix> bug #82344
[12:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 82344 in launchpad "Launchpad 1.0 dares to redefine default font size to 80% (font size is too small)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82344
[12:38] <radix> (I didn't give it the sensationalist title, some other weirdo came along recently to do that)
[12:38] <penguin42> the font size I hadn't noticed, it's the greyness that got me - grey on white sucks
[12:39] <radix> probably if either were fixed, even independently, it would increase readability a lot.
[12:39] <penguin42> nod
[12:40] <Fujitsu> I wouldn't really call slade^n a weirdo, but it's a bit of an odd title, I agree.
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #103092 in malone "fiesty livecd/installer - requires noapic on asus m2n32-sli deluxe to run..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103092
[12:42] <LaserJock> maybe I've just gotten used to it but I don't have much of a problem with the fonts
[12:42] <LarstiQ> the comments seem to be mixed with ones about the ubuntu website?
[12:45] <Fujitsu> LarstiQ: It looks that way.
[12:45] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Apart from the comment box, I too have gotten used to it.
[01:08] <struct> anyone can help about TLS errors in mail logs?
[01:08] <struct> I cannot receive mail from launchpad
[01:08] <penguin42> I'm not really a mail/TLS person - but you can try me
[01:09] <struct> well I tried to register today and the mail does not get through to me
[01:09] <struct> I looked at my logs and see TLS errors
[01:09] <penguin42> can you share some of the logs?
[01:09] <struct> yeah I am looking the up now
[01:11] <struct> connect from adelie.ubuntu.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:11] <struct> setting up TLS connection from adelie.ubuntu.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:11] <struct> SSL_accept:before/accept initialization
[01:11] <struct> read from 080B6E38 [080C0528]  (11 bytes => -1 (0xFFFFFFFF))
[01:11] <struct> SSL_accept:error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A
[01:11] <LarstiQ> struct: better to use rafb.net/paste/ for this
[01:12] <struct> ok
[01:14] <ddaa> looks like 1. your are your own MTA
[01:14] <ddaa> and 2. you are requiring others MTAs to use TLS to talk to you
[01:15] <ddaa> both are likely pretty uncommon configurations
[01:15] <struct> http://rafb.net/p/gA6J9s42.html
[01:15] <struct> ddaa: 1) yes 2) no
[01:15] <ddaa> so it might be that launchpad mail just does not support smtp/tls...
[01:15] <struct> I do not require other MTAs to use tls
[01:16] <ddaa> apparently, the hello sent by adelie does not compute...
[01:16] <ddaa> struct: maybe ask on #canonical-sysadmins, they might have a better clue
[01:17] <ddaa> since the actual MTA that's talking to you is probably some relay used by launchpad
[01:17] <struct> the default in postfix is not to enforce tls
[01:17] <struct> ok
[01:17] <ddaa> (I talking mostly out of my ass, doing merely educated guesses)
[01:17] <struct> this is the first time I have ever seen this error before
[01:18] <struct> is the above channel spelt correctly?
[01:19] <ddaa> no, it's #canonical-sysadmin :)
[01:19] <struct> :)
[01:19] <ddaa> apparently they have achieved hive mind
[01:20] <struct> many as one?
[01:20] <LarstiQ> struct: it very much feels as if there is data missing in that paste?
[01:20] <ddaa> *WE ARE THE ELMO*
[01:20] <struct> LarstiQ: why does it feel that way?
[01:21] <ddaa> *TICKLING IS FUTILE*
[01:21] <penguin42> struct: I guess the other possibility is that it doesn't like your SSL certs
[01:21] <struct> penguin42: could be
[01:21] <struct> penguin42: my ssl certs are self signed
[01:21] <struct> but why not fall back to non TLS communication
[01:21] <LarstiQ> ooh, that's commonly a problem
[01:22] <LarstiQ> struct: good question, it's just a feeling.
[01:22] <struct> LarstiQ: thats all the logs that have the same process id
[01:22] <LarstiQ> struct: ah, you stripped that out?
[01:22] <struct> LarstiQ: yeah
[01:22] <LarstiQ> perhaps that jars me :
[01:22] <LarstiQ> )
[01:22] <struct> LarstiQ: I stripped all the hostname process ids out and just pasted the errors themselves
[01:23] <struct> I was trying to submit a patch today for a package and could not register
[01:23] <struct> so I would like to find out what is causing this and fix it
[01:24] <LarstiQ> but as I'm not able to fix your problem anyhow, I'll go to bed now
[01:24] <struct> ok
[01:24] <LarstiQ> struct: good luck
[01:24] <struct> isnt it a bit early for bed?
[01:24] <LarstiQ> 01:24? Not at all
[01:24] <struct> you must be on the other side of the world
[01:24] <struct> across the vast sea
[01:24] <LarstiQ> I usually am.
[01:25] <ddaa> struct: this whole notion of early/late does not apply on #launchpad
[01:25] <struct> I know
[01:25] <struct> I am just joking around
[01:26] <ddaa> it's on of those day when focus does not work
[01:26] <struct> I know what you mean
[01:26] <struct> guess I will read mako docs
[01:30] <LaserJock> ddaa: haha, that borg/elmo quote is so going in my IRC funny archives ;-)
[01:31] <ddaa> be my guest
[01:31] <ddaa> oh, since I did it on company time, it's probably (c) Canonical ;)
[01:31] <LaserJock> I always new there was something bionic about him
[01:31] <LaserJock> at first I suspected he was some sort of cron-ng
[01:32] <LaserJock> but then I met him ... at least that's what Canonical wants me to think
[01:33] <ddaa> if you saw the large, red-haired, loud-laughed guy, it's the same I know since July 2004.
[01:34] <ddaa> dunno how much is biologic about him, but he's certainly consistent as far as appearances go :)
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Aw, he doesn't have a photo on his LP page.
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #103114 in launchpad "Strange empty space on person pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103114
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #103116 in launchpad "Person application pages shouldn't be indexed if person hasn't used that app" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103116
[02:20] <shango37> hi all! there is an admin here who can review our pot and po files (project: Freenas). thx for this and I'm really sorry for my English (I'm French)
[02:33] <shango37> Nobody knows how can I do for asking review of my files?
[03:52] <mpt> LarstiQ, (a) many people won't be aware yet that Launchpad and Ubuntu are separate sites, and (b) they were designed by the same company (hence similar font choices)
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #103131 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch registration page should explain how to upload a branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103131
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #103137 in malone "What then if the bug has already been reported?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103137
[05:59] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:04] <ajmitch> hello mpt
[06:06] <LaserJock> hi mpt and ajmitch
[06:11] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock, how's it going?
[06:12] <LaserJock> busy busy busy :-)
[06:12] <ajmitch> as usual
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #103166 in launchpad "mugshot/branding doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103166
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #102803 in malone "Tabbing to submit a bug comment is difficult" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102803
[07:43] <mpt> ubotu, that wasn't a new bug
[07:45] <crimsun> probably should read something along the lines of "Status changed to" instead of "New bug"
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #102943 in rosetta "Allow displaying only strings that have no suggestions" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102943
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #103186 in rosetta "Provide better sample of products on the start page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103186
[08:26] <mdke> danilo_: here?
[08:26] <danilo_> mdke: yeah
[08:28] <mdke> danilos: I sent you an email just now explaining the situation about the update-po thing
[08:28] <mdke> if you could have a quick read and maybe try it out, I'd appreciate it
[08:28] <danilos> mdke: sure, I'll take a look
[08:28] <mdke> thanks a lot
[08:44] <carlos> morning
[08:45] <mdke> morning carlos
[08:45] <mdke> danilos: if you would reply by email, that would be awesome: I can't be on irc during today while at work
[11:01] <owh> Can someone please hand me some sanity?
[11:24] <carlos> owh: please, just ask what you need and if someone can help you we will try to or redirect you to the right place
[11:25] <owh> carlos: I just needed to scream and have someone hand me some sanity. I was helping in #ubuntu and needed a touch of sanity. No questions. Sorry for the bandwidth.
[11:26] <carlos> owh: ok, no worries :-P
[11:31] <mpt> Maybe we should sell sanity in exchange for karma
[11:32] <owh> mpt: Works for me, I've got both in spades, other than the sanity part :)
[12:08] <xivulon> Hi there
[12:09] <xivulon> We have a small issue the wubi project hosted on launchpad
[12:09] <xivulon> Is there any admin that can help?
[12:18] <mpt> xivulon, that depends what kind of problem it is
[12:19] <mpt> Is it with bug tracking, or translations, or code hosting, etc
[12:19] <xivulon> Hi mpt, I am on the lead programmers of Wubi and Lupin projects
[12:19] <xivulon> What happened is that we have not been able to contact the owner of Wubi for over a month
[12:20] <xivulon> As such we cannot setup malone, rosetta edit the description etc
[12:21] <mpt> xivulon, ok. I can't help you with that particular problem, but SteveA or kiko-zzz (when he wakes up in a couple of hours) should be able to.
[12:21] <kiko-zzz> xivulon, please open a +ticket saying what you would like done and I'll do it when I wake up
[12:22] <xivulon> thx I'll mention it to them later on
[12:22] <xivulon> where do I normally open a ticket for such issues?
[12:26] <kiko-zzz> answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[12:28] <mpt> That's how hard kiko-zzz works
[12:28] <mpt> he works even when he's asleep
[12:28] <owh> kiko-zzz: How did you go with cooling :)
[12:28] <kiko-zzz> owh, pretty well, heh. it rained yesterday!
[12:30] <owh> kiko-zzz: Same here :)
[01:07] <xivulon> kiko-zzz, here is the ticket: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/4676
[02:01] <cprov> good morning
[02:08] <gmt> Hi guys, I was trying to import a bazaar branch converted from a svn repos, I converted it with svn2bzr but I mess it up... is it possible to restore a clean situation on the project repository? (on launchpad) I cannot delete the directories I've made through sftp
[02:09] <salgado> ddaa, can you help gmt?
[02:32] <ddaa> gmt: hello
[02:32] <ddaa> did you have coffee?
[02:33] <ddaa> With bzr-0.15, what you can do is:
[02:33] <ddaa> 1. sftp into bazaar.launchpad.net (nautilus is good, lftp if you prefer command-line)
[02:33] <ddaa> and remove the .bzr in the branch you uploaded before
[02:34] <ddaa> 2. when you have the new branch you want to upload in there, you "bzr push --use-existing-dir"
[02:34] <ddaa> Alternatively
[02:34] <ddaa> you could just leave the cruft in place and "bzr push --overwrite" when you have something better to put in its place.
[02:35] <ddaa> gmt: coffee is good, you should have some.
[02:53] <gmt> ddaa, eheh got a coffee as well :)
[02:53] <gmt> ddaa, I created also directory tags and branches which I cannot remove
[02:53] <gmt> I'm using gftp btw
[02:55] <gmt> ddaa, .brz in trunk directory is now gone
[02:56] <gmt> ddaa, how can I delete branches and tags?
[02:58] <ubotu> New bug: #103233 in launchpad "top half of you have logged out" div  is obscured" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103233
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #103303 in launchpad ""Search" box is partly obscured" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103303
[03:02] <ubotu> New bug: #102763 in malone ""Rejected" status is a somewhat loaded word" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102763
[03:03] <ubotu> New bug: #103207 in rosetta "English (New Zealand) (aka en-NZ) is unavailable as a language option" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103207
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #103222 in launchpad "sprints should be handled as another main pillar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103222
[03:21] <ddaa> gmt: okay I'm here
[03:21] <ddaa> what's the url of the stuff you're talking about?
[03:48] <welterde> hmm... why doesnt that branch viewer have syntax-highlighting?
[03:57] <ubotu> New bug: #102956 in launchpad-bazaar "project cloud should highlight projects with user-provided series branches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102956
[03:57] <kiko> it's that time of the day
[03:58] <kiko> me
[03:59] <sinzui> me
[03:59] <kiko> see? it's contagious
[03:59] <Rinchen> yawn
[03:59] <mthaddon> me
[03:59] <barry> achoo
[03:59] <barry> er, me
[03:59] <stu1> me
[03:59] <mpt> Anyone who prematurely "me"s will be counted as absent
[04:00] <kiko> aiiiii
[04:00] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Development meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating launchpad development.
[04:00] <SteveA> who's here today?
[04:00] <stu1> Does that mean I can go?
[04:00] <bigjools> me
[04:00] <jtv> me
[04:00] <kiko> me
[04:00] <mpt> me
[04:00] <cprov> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <allenap> me
[04:00] <statik> me
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:00] <salgado> me
[04:00] <stu1> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <ddaa> me
[04:00] <Rinchen> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <mthaddon> me
[04:00] <flacoste> me
[04:00] <stub> me
[04:00] <SteveA> jamesh sends apologies
[04:00] <SteveA> danilo sends apologies
[04:00] <ddaa> I have stuff from jml and thumper
[04:00] <SteveA> thanks ddaa
[04:00] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:00] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:00] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:00] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:00] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:01] <SteveA> ----
[04:01] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:01] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:01] <SteveA>   * Slow Code Reviews (Joey)
[04:01] <carlos> me
[04:01] <BjornT> me
[04:01] <SteveA> ----
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[04:01] <SteveA>
[04:01] <SteveA> next meeting: same time next week
[04:01] <SteveA> activity reports: who's up to date?
[04:01] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <SteveA> == People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==
[04:01] <jtv> me
[04:01] <SteveA>  * carlos
[04:01] <mthaddon> up to date
[04:01] <SteveA>  * cprov
[04:01] <barry> me
[04:01] <SteveA>  * danilo
[04:01] <flacoste> up to date
[04:01] <SteveA>  * kiko
[04:01] <bigjools> me
[04:01] <BjornT> up to date
[04:01] <SteveA>  * mrevell
[04:02] <SteveA>  * SteveA
[04:02] <cprov> up to date
[04:02] <SteveA>
[04:02] <matsubara> not up to date.
[04:02] <SteveA> well done mrevell for getting back up to date
 not up to date. slack.
 up to date (since I just put them in) up to date
[04:02] <SteveA> good show carlos
[04:02] <kiko> I totally slacked this week, gross
[04:02] <bac> up to date
[04:02] <stub> up to date
[04:02] <allenap> up to date
[04:02] <carlos> up to date (sent all I had noted)
[04:02] <SteveA> well done cprov
[04:02] <statik> not up to date
[04:02] <ddaa> I mean, up to date
[04:02] <salgado> missed a few days but am back on track
[04:02] <mpt> up to date
[04:02] <sinzui> up to date
[04:02] <jtv> up to date
[04:02] <SteveA> and well done everyone who has kept up to date more than 2 weeks running
[04:03] <bigjools> we rock
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <SteveA> no actions
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:03] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 70952, 102545
[04:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 70952 in malone "LookupError when a product adopt malone as its bugtracker and that product already have bugwatches." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70952
[04:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 102545 in launchpad "TraversalError when sourcepackage doesn't have packaging information for older distroreleases." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102545
[04:04] <matsubara> BjornT: how about assigning 70952 to Gavin?
[04:04] <matsubara> cprov: want to comment on bug 102545?
[04:05] <BjornT> matsubara: i think that bug might be a bit tricky to get right, i'll have to take look at it first.
[04:05] <kiko> it's tricky indeed
[04:05] <cprov> matsubara: will do. Did you talk with ddaa ?
[04:05] <ddaa> ?
[04:05] <cprov> matsubara: the fact that the ISP.packaging is recursive concerns me a bit
[04:06] <matsubara> not yet. that's why I'm bringing this up in the meeting. ddaa, can you take a look at it?
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #102898 in rosetta "Write a plural form expression parser to validate them" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102898
[04:06] <ddaa> hu... got no clue about this
[04:07] <ddaa> I just fixed the naming and some UI cruft that mentioned HCT
[04:07] <cprov> ddaa: it can generate a variable number of queries until reach NotFound
[04:07] <matsubara> so the +packaging page is more like a launchpad-bazaar issue or soyuz one?
[04:07] <kiko> hmmm
[04:07] <kiko> more soyuz and registry really
[04:08] <ddaa> kiko++
[04:08] <matsubara> btw, BjornT thanks for looking at it.
[04:08] <ddaa> I never had a hand in this, I'm not sure how it's even _supposed_ to work.
[04:08] <kiko> I know how it's supposed to work I think
[04:08] <cprov> whatever you say, assign it to me. I will fix that.
[04:08] <matsubara> cprov: sure thing. thank you
[04:09] <matsubara> I'm done then SteveA
[04:09] <SteveA> thank you matsubara
[04:09] <SteveA>  * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:09] <Rinchen> First off, Congrats to carlos for fixing bug #46.
[04:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 46 in rosetta ""special symbols" when people copy-paste text from original to translation" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:09] <Rinchen> Bug #30602 - kiko - 2006-02-06 - Rosetta, Critical, in progress - Lots of OOPSes - Kiko, how are you coming with this?
[04:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[04:10] <Rinchen> Bug #46982 - danilo - 2006-05-27 - Rosetta, Critical, not started - Infrastructure issues - Blocked on Firefox import. carlos/jtv do you know the status of this by chance?
[04:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:10] <Rinchen> Bug #86171 (Private) - spiv - 2007-02-18 - Critical, in progress. spiv, do you have an update on this?
[04:10] <ubotu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
[04:10] <Rinchen> Bug #90384 (Private) - jamesh - 2007-03-07 - Critical, not started. No jamesh so we'll skip this one unless there are any comments.
[04:10] <carlos> Rinchen: I didn't have time to resume my work on it, busy with 1.0 fixes
[04:10] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:10] <carlos> Rinchen: so 46982 is still blocked
[04:10] <Rinchen> thanks
[04:11] <Rinchen> Bug #92484 - jml - 2007-03-15 - BZR Integration, Critical, in review and progressing well. ddaa/jml - Where are we in the code review process?
[04:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)
 cscvs and Launchpad now work (i.e. tests pass) with bzr 0.15. The changes break compatibility with the old bzr, so some PQM hackery will need to be done. I've informed mthaddon and lifeless, so we should expect to see the upgrade soon.
[04:11] <ddaa> Rinchen: IOW, I think it's all pretty much done.
[04:11] <ddaa> not quite, but pretty much
[04:11] <kiko> ah nice
[04:11] <Rinchen> great, thanks.
[04:11] <Rinchen> Bug #102357, first reported on 2007-04-03, sinzui, Answers, Critical, in progress. sinzui thanks for taking this on. Any blockers?
[04:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102357 in launchpad-answers "TypeError when requesting +tickets on an empty project" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102357 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is)
[04:11] <Rinchen> Bug #102382 and Bug #102449, first reported on 2007-04-03, carlos, Rosetta, Critical, not started. Carlos, when do you expect to have this coded now that you found the cause?
[04:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102382 in rosetta "Translations are getting marked as "needing review" on each upload, preventing complete translation of Ubuntu for the release" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102382 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:12] <carlos> Rinchen: the fix in the review queue now
[04:12] <sinzui> I just committed 102357
[04:12] <Rinchen> carlos, excellent.
[04:12] <Rinchen> sinzui, excellent
[04:12] <Rinchen> Bug #44 - danilo - 2005-01-10 - Rosetta, High, not started - Was blocked until about 6 March. Expecting to start 1st week in April. carlos/jtv do you know the status of this by chance?
[04:12] <carlos> Rinchen: Danilo started with it
[04:13] <carlos> he said the DB changes should be done today (or nearly done)
[04:13] <mpt> awesome
[04:13] <Rinchen> great
[04:13] <Rinchen> SteveA: end bugs
[04:13] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen
[04:13] <Rinchen> 3 minutes vs 11 :-)
[04:13] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:13] <SteveA> there is one bug tag proposed
[04:13] <SteveA> https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs
[04:13] <SteveA> excuse the lack of table formatting and the rather odd UI skin
[04:14] <SteveA> codebrowse for bugs related to the codebrowser
[04:14] <SteveA> I'm +1 on it
[04:14] <SteveA> any objections?
[04:14] <SteveA> 6
[04:14] <SteveA> 5
[04:14] <SteveA> 4
[04:14] <SteveA> 3
[04:14] <SteveA> 2
[04:15] <SteveA> 1
[04:15] <mpt> is it usually codebrowse
[04:15] <SteveA> ok, agreed
[04:15] <mpt> or codebrowser?
[04:15] <kiko> yeah,  agreed
[04:15] <SteveA> the proposal is "corebrowse"
[04:15] <SteveA> um "codebrowse"
[04:15] <jtv> make up your mind!
[04:15] <ddaa> +1
[04:16] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:16] <mpt> just checking
[04:16] <stub> Rollout of the beta UI went smoothly. There was no real spike in activity which we feared.
[04:16] <stub> We have some cherry picks scheduled, which hopefully Tom can do with the nice cheat sheet I wrote for him.
[04:16] <stub> A full rollout should be happening each Monday for the forseeable future. Usual 15 mins downtime. We will be rolling out HEAD, unlike in the past where we have been rolling out HEAD-minus-a-few-days. HEAD releases have been pretty reliable thanks to the test suite so we might as well just go for it.
[04:16] <stub> I need to know if I should be updating the supermirror code.
[04:16] <stub> launchpad/devel is open for database updates. All the pending branches except for Tim's have landed, and Tim has been asked to land his. The database freeze will kick in again on April 13th, and we expect it to last for at least three weeks.
[04:16] <stub> beta should be active again on April 16, running the 'onramp' branch Mark has been working on.
[04:16] <stub> staging is being worked on by Tom. Mark has requested the db be updated, which I can do tomorrow unless Tom beats me to it.
[04:17] <ddaa> stub: as I rule, I think you should be upgrading the supermirror stuff and authserver...
[04:17] <stub> Updated PostsgreSQL packages will soon be installed on Balleny, hopefully fixing some issues people have aparently been having.
[04:17] <kiko> okay
[04:17] <stub> ddaa: Yes, but to what branch.
[04:17] <mthaddon> hoping to beat you to it for staging DB updates today...
[04:17] <kiko> so if we have decided to move to regular rollouts
[04:17] <kiko> I want us to talk about public release notes
[04:17] <ddaa> stub: all rocketfuel
[04:17] <kiko> in particular in how I, Rinchen and mrevell should get these done
[04:17] <stub> ddaa: ok
[04:17] <ubotu> New bug: #102862 in malone "OOPS when trying to file a bug from a product series page" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102862
[04:17] <Rinchen> stub, please let me know when the Postgres updates are applied. Thanks
[04:18] <Kmos> some can assign this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/91988
[04:18] <Kmos> *someone
[04:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 91988 in rosetta "Make suggestions from should use prefered user settings" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:18] <SteveA> stub: spads replied to the RT saying it was done
[04:18] <matsubara> what's the onramp branch?
[04:18] <stub> Rinchen: it is done
[04:18] <kiko> Kmos, hang on to that for 20 minutes
[04:18] <Rinchen> stub, excellent :-)
[04:18] <stub> SteveA: So what is the onramp branch?
[04:18] <SteveA> stub: ask mark
[04:19] <Kmos> kiko: ok
[04:19] <stub> So I think we are all clear on that then :)
[04:19] <mpt> sabdfl, what's the onramp branch? :-)
[04:19] <SteveA> kiko: for this conversation
[04:19] <SteveA> are you proposing to have it in this meeting, or at some other time?
[04:20] <Rinchen> SteveA, kiko - re: release notes, I'd like to talk with Steve about that in ams
[04:20] <kiko> with SteveA?
[04:21] <Rinchen> yes although a separate meeting with us is a good idea
[04:21] <mrevell> Rinchen: I'd like to be in discussions about release notes too, please.
[04:21] <Rinchen> mrevell, sure thing.
[04:21] <SteveA> the main focus of Rinchen and me in amsterdam will be on strict 3 monthly development cycles for launchpad
[04:22] <SteveA> part of that will be about what release notes mean in that context
[04:22] <statik> yay timeboxed releases
[04:22] <SteveA> but I think there is a more urgent conversation to be had
[04:22] <kiko> I mean very clearly
[04:22] <SteveA> about how we do release notes right now
[04:22] <kiko> telling our end-users what changed in this rollout
[04:22] <SteveA> for the next 5 weeks before we starts the first development cycle
[04:22] <Rinchen> I agree to all of the above.
[04:22] <ddaa> good, but hopefully we'll still have frequent head rollouts
[04:22] <SteveA> yes
[04:22] <SteveA> ddaa: weekly, most weeks
[04:23] <mrevell> What's the status of "what's new"?
[04:23] <SteveA> no status
[04:23] <mrevell> ok
[04:23] <ddaa> great! And regular db patch windows?
[04:23] <kiko> no status dot com
[04:23] <mrevell> :)
[04:23] <SteveA> ddaa: something like that
[04:23] <SteveA> so, kiko, when will this talk with you and Rinchen and mrevell be?
[04:23] <kiko> now? I'm ready
[04:24] <SteveA> not now
[04:24] <SteveA> this is a meeting about coordination, not discussion
[04:24] <SteveA> so, feel free to arrange the meeting
[04:24] <SteveA> for some other time soon
[04:25] <SteveA> you guys can arrange this on the launchpad-code channel
[04:25] <SteveA> moving on...
[04:25] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports (skipping)
[04:25] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:25] <SteveA> 6
[04:25] <SteveA> 5
[04:25] <Rinchen> me
[04:25] <SteveA> ...
[04:25] <SteveA> please give the RT number and a brief description
[04:25] <Rinchen> mrevell, did you get your blog installed? I'm showing 26822 still open
[04:26] <mrevell> Rinchen: Nothing so far from RT
[04:26] <Rinchen> it's listed as high priority on the queue and the deadline has passed.
[04:26] <SteveA> Rinchen: noted.
[04:26] <SteveA> any other RT requests?
[04:26] <SteveA> 5
[04:26] <SteveA> 4
[04:26] <SteveA> 3
[04:26] <SteveA> 2
[04:26] <SteveA> 1
[04:26] <SteveA> ok thank you
[04:27] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:27] <mrevell> This week's issues come from our new<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email address. We've had some more complaints about the font size in the new interface. We've also had a complaint that the drop-down menus in the top navigation are too slow to open.
[04:27] <mrevell> I'd be interested on learning what affects the speed of the drop-down menu's opening. mpt are you the person to speak to?
[04:27] <mrevell> Elliot and I will continue to monitor the new email address and pass on anything that is relevant.
[04:27] <SteveA> mrevell: I am the person to speak to
[04:27] <mrevell> Should I tell people the font size is under ongoing review?
[04:27] <mpt> mrevell, no, I have no idea sorry
[04:27] <SteveA> mrevell: I need to know what country the person was connecting from
[04:27] <mrevell> SteveA: Okay, I'll speak to you after the meeting, in that case
[04:27] <SteveA> and exactly what menus they were using
[04:27] <SteveA> it may be part of the design
[04:27] <mrevell> SteveA: okay, thanks. I'll get that info
[04:28] <SteveA> to keep the breadcrumbs themselves usable
[04:28] <SteveA> or it may be an artifact of network latency
[04:28] <SteveA> which we also have ways to fix
[04:28] <statik> SteveA: they feel sluggish to me too, I can point out what I noticed after the meeting
[04:28] <kiko> SteveA, I see the same issue as mrevell reports
[04:28] <mrevell> right. tbh I find the drop-down menus a tad slow sometimes, too.
[04:28] <matsubara> SteveA: I can tell you that from Brazil it's quite slow
[04:28] <kiko> it takes a long while to pop up
[04:29] <SteveA> I need to know exactly which menus
[04:29] <SteveA> there's a built-in delay for the top-level menus
[04:29] <SteveA> it's good to experiment with the menu under "Home"
[04:29] <SteveA> as that is not loaded over the network at all
[04:29] <mrevell> SteveA: For me, the home page drop-down menu is slow to appear, but I'll do some more thorough testing and email the list
[04:29] <SteveA> mrevell: about the font size.  we're still accepting feedback about it.
[04:29] <SteveA> mrevell: be more specifiv
[04:29] <Kmos> it has a little delay.. and i'm at 1.5 mbits (Portugal)
[04:29] <mrevell> SteveA: Excellent, I'll pass on anything I receive that is constructive
[04:29] <SteveA> the drop down on the home page under "Home" ?
[04:30] <SteveA> that one does not load from the network
[04:30] <statik> SteveA: top level is the one that feels sluggish to me
[04:30] <Kmos> SteveA: yes.. the Home one
[04:30] <SteveA> so the delay is something we can tweak in teh code
[04:30] <mrevell> SteveA: I hover my mouse over the "Home" link
[04:30] <Kmos> that shows.. projects, ditributuions ...
[04:30] <SteveA> but, if we reduce it, it means the menus appear "randomly" as people mouse-over the breadcrumbs to choose where to go
[04:30] <mrevell> SteveA: and I can count to four, slowly, before it appears
[04:30] <SteveA> moving on... (more discussion of this later)
[04:30] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:31] <mrevell> Buzz report is to follow today. It's a bumper one, as you might expect. I've been tied up with post-public-beta microsite tweaks etc, but I will get it out today
[04:32] <SteveA> ok
[04:32] <SteveA>   * Slow Code Reviews (Joey)
[04:32] <Rinchen> I wanted to call attention to my email from yesterday about slow code reviews. In summary, lifeless and I are very interested in examining any recent or new cases.  Should you encounter what you feel is a slow review please contact lifeless or myself so we can investigate and potentially tweak the system. We're serious about taking necessary efforts to fix any problems. Thanks.
[04:32] <kiko> ah, topic of the day!
[04:32] <jtv> How slow is slow?
[04:32] <ddaa> jtv: slow is "frustrating you"
[04:32] <Rinchen> greater than 48 business hours
[04:32] <SteveA> jtv: did you read the email?
[04:33] <jtv> Yes
[04:33] <SteveA> ok
[04:33] <Rinchen> However if you have a perception that it's slow, even at <48 hours, we'd like to know about it.
[04:33] <Rinchen> Please. :-)
[04:33] <Rinchen> Thanks.
[04:34] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
 DONE: code reviews, Silva bug import, bug 101907, look at database reconnection problems
[04:34] <salgado> DONE: Shipit, random fixes, code review, coordinating/discussing the mirror prober run on the release day
[04:34] <salgado> TODO: More shipit, code review and random fixes
[04:34] <salgado> BLOCKED: No
[04:34] <ubotu> Bug 101907 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/101907 is private
 DONE: make run -> supermirror, better sftp authentication
[04:34] <ddaa> errors, bzr 0.15 porting, landed sftp test improvement.
 TODO: bzr bugs plugin, auto-bug-branch cleanup
 BLOCKED: no
 DONE: landed scanner-email branch finally, much thought and design for private branches
 TODO: fly to london, meet Elliot and Joey, go to the ACCU conference
 TODO: code reviews, script monitoring, db reconnection
[04:34] <jtv> TODO: Get the hang of the various frameworks we use, fix #52991, #102381
 BLOCKED: no (unless agreeing on design counts)
[04:34] <jtv> DONE: #46653, #49599, #88826, some writing-standards issues in emails
[04:34] <jtv> BLOCKED: no
 BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <ddaa> DONE: importd-oops, cscvs/feisty-compat, branch ui improvements, review cscvs-bzr-0.15 changes and AutomaticBugBranchLinks from jml
[04:34] <matsubara> DONE: triage, oops reports, support gardening
[04:34] <matsubara> TODO: more of the same.
[04:34] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <SteveA> DONE: launchpad 1.0 stuff, management
[04:34] <bac> DONE: prepare for London sprint, submit bug attachment for review, use cases, customer issues, soyuz
[04:34] <sinzui> DONE: Contact Answer For report, official_answers, TypeError for empty projects OOPS
[04:34] <ddaa> TODO: land more ui improvements, importd-oops, review PrivateBranchesPhasedImplementation, lotsa other stuff.
[04:34] <sinzui> TODO: Show unsupported questions, Show supported languages, Retarget support requests, support contact in preferred languages only, Show the support requester's username
[04:34] <sinzui> BLOCKED: No
[04:34] <mthaddon> DONE: getting up to speed (in progress) :)
[04:34] <bac> TODO: London sprint
[04:34] <bac> BLOCKED: No
[04:34] <SteveA> TODO: make dynamic menus work on konqueror
[04:34] <mrevell> * DONE: 1.0 press release, 1.0 marketing microsite
[04:34] <mrevell> * TODO: new content for marketing microsite
[04:34] <mrevell> * BLOCKED: none
[04:34] <cprov> DONE: general bug fixing, simulating feisty release in dofgood, upgrade to feisty
[04:34] <cprov> TODO: generate post-release pockets, remove warty/hoary archive
[04:34] <cprov> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <bigjools> DONE: landed 43115, added 48735 for review, working on Native Source Sync with Celso, addressing trivial 102055, learning dogfood server testing
[04:34] <bigjools> TODO: Native source Sync, prepare for London Sprint, more bugs
[04:34] <bigjools> BLOCKED: n
[04:34] <barry> DONE: a little xmlrpc project planning, mm build branches and svn export, begin work on team list creation branch, 'bzr touch' plugin
[04:34] <barry> TODO: address jamesh's concerns & land mm build branches, give xmlrpc project some love
[04:34] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <allenap> DONE: NewStaffTasks, NewLaunchpadder (some), bug-81014 (started)
[04:34] <allenap> TODO: NewLaunchpadder, bug-81014, more bugs as assigned by BjornT
[04:34] <allenap> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <mthaddon> TODO: setup new staging env with DB on asuka
[04:34] <flacoste> DONE: marketing microsite, reviews, merge pending branches
[04:34] <flacoste> TODO: write specs, marketing microsite tweaks, write doctest style guide
[04:34] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[04:34] <carlos> DONE: translation portlets cleanup, prepared and requested reverting of French fork in Rosetta, LanguageAdministration implementation, approved templates for Feisty, help Danilo with bug #79674, bug #83304
[04:34] <carlos> TODO: Firefox support, final review off Feisty translations to prepare final language packs.
[04:34] <carlos> BLOCKED: No.
[04:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79674 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:34] <mthaddon> BLOCKER: none
[04:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 83304 in rosetta "Structural object heading for translation page should be the product/package" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83304 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:34] <mpt> DONE: 1.0 polish, contract, DesignChecklist, 1.0-related bug reports
[04:34] <mpt> TODO: Easter, code review, help panel, bug page, template cleanup
[04:34] <mpt> BLOCKED: not enough hours in the day
[04:34] <Rinchen> DONE: Monthly Report
[04:34] <Rinchen> TODO: Will be in London next week and Amsterdam the week after.
[04:34] <Rinchen> BLOCKED: None
[04:34] <statik> DONE: got soyuz training, lots of customer interaction and
[04:34] <statik> TODO: sprint in london, land some trivial db cleanup
[04:34] <statik> Blocked: no
[04:34] <kiko> DONE: 1.0 coordination
[04:34] <kiko> TODO: get my remaining branches off the ground: rosetta performance, and mantis bugs
[04:34] <kiko> BLOCKED: no, but it will be a short week for me
[04:34] <stub> TODO: TeamMembership fixes, OpenID
[04:34] <stub> DONE: Production shite
[04:34] <stub> BLOCKED: No
[04:35] <BjornT> DONE: code reviews. a few things for 1.0 public beta. made it possible for apport to file bugs with tags. tried upgrade to feisty.
[04:35] <BjornT> TODO: recover from feisty upgrade. work on closing bugs via changelogs.  code reviews.
[04:35] <Rinchen> stub, are the TeamMembership fixes due to the recent code drop in that area?
[04:35] <BjornT> BLOCKED: kind of blocked on computer not booting on feisty
[04:35] <SteveA> BjornT: are you receiving help from the kernel team on that?
[04:35] <stub> Rinchen: I know of no recent code drop in that area
[04:35] <salgado> Rinchen, what code drop?
[04:35] <salgado> stub, is it the teams-are-members-of-themselves fix?
[04:35] <BjornT> SteveA: yes, we are currently debugging what's wrong on #kernel
[04:35] <SteveA> Rinchen: what does "code drop" mean?
[04:35] <Rinchen> I saw a PQM item for teammembership a week ago
[04:36] <Rinchen> s/code drop/recently landed code
[04:36] <stub> salgado: Yer - you seemed to have punted it back to me. I haven't looked at the current status of it.
[04:37] <salgado> stub, I can try to land it today, if you want
[04:37] <salgado> stub, but what are the team membership fixes you talked about, then?
[04:37] <Rinchen> stub, salgado specifically the change salgado did
[04:37] <stub> salgado: If it is done, sure. Do we need tests?
[04:37] <Rinchen> rf 3990
[04:38] <kiko> stub, sabdfl's asking me about that, can we get it done
[04:38] <stub> kiko: (21:37:07) salgado: stub, I can try to land it today, if you want
[04:39] <kiko> I saw that, just reinforcing
[04:39] <SteveA> ok, we all done?
[04:39] <stub> kiko: Ideally this would be in the bug report, but of course there is not one.
[04:39] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:39] <SteveA> thank you everyone
[04:41] <kiko> stub, there is a bug report.
[04:41] <kiko> what are you talking about?
[04:41] <kiko> thanks SteveA
[04:41] <stub> kiko: Where? All I got was an email from sabdfl
[04:42] <ddaa> kiko: can you do the renaming asked in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+ticket/4680 ?
[04:42] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/gnomescan
[04:45] <ddaa> stub: sometime early next week, bzr-0.15 and accompanying changes to cscvs and maybe launchpad should land on rocketfuel.
[04:45] <ddaa> stub: although you should rollout the supermirror scripts every time, they should be rolled out even more this time :)
[04:47] <stub> ok. Which are the code locations again? bzrsyncd@gandwana and supermirror@vostok?
[04:47] <kiko> stub, salgado knows the number.
[04:48] <salgado> which number?
[04:49] <stub> The number of the bug I don't believe exists on the teamparticipation issue you are landing today
[04:49] <salgado> is it bug 30789?
[04:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 30789 in launchpad "teams should be members of themselves" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30789
[04:49] <stub> Ooh... old one.
[04:50] <Kmos> SteveA: update topic with next meetingh :)
[04:50] <Kmos> *meeting
[04:50] <ddaa> stub: oh, that's what you meant...
[04:51] <ddaa> bzrsyncd@gandwana /srv/bzrsyncd
[04:51] <ddaa> supermirror@vostok /srv/sm-ng
[04:52] <ddaa> stub: and wherever you run the authserver, although I do think there is any authserver change in the pipe ATM
[04:53] <ddaa> but if it's possible to have rolled out along with the rest, it would avoid annoying breakage like on Monday.
[05:02] <kiko> hack it on dudes
[05:02] <kiko> SteveA, Rinchen: I plan on getting my mantis branch polished for landing today.
[05:02] <kiko> do any of you want me for anything else?
[05:03] <Rinchen> kiko, a raise? ;-)  Just that branch out please
[05:04] <Rinchen> and a chat later with mrevell
[05:04] <kiko> Rinchen, you want to take stewardship of this week's commits for monday's reports? If you produce a rough report I can clean it up and mail it out on monday
[05:07] <kiko> Rinchen, that way you really and honestly will "help me"
[05:07] <kiko> hey Hobbsee
[05:07] <kiko> I think i'm going to go get my stitches removed
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hiya kiko :)
[05:07] <kiko> I'm tired of them
[05:07] <kiko> and it's already been 11 days
[05:08] <kiko> my email problem.. snif
[05:21] <\sh> hmm...where do i enter a bugnumber on LP?
[05:22] <Kmos> doko: bug NUMBER here on the channel
[05:22] <Kmos> ups
[05:22] <Kmos> \sh: do bug NUMBER here on the channel
[05:23] <\sh> Kmos: na...in the old layout there was a "jump to bug #" input field...and I don't find it anymore ;) right, I could use konquis lpbug:<bug no>
[05:23] <spiv> \sh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/, put the number in the search field.
[05:24] <matsubara> \sh: I have a firefox search plugin for malone. if you want it, privmsg me and i'll mail it to you.
[05:25] <Kmos> http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=launchpad&sherlock=yes&opensearch=yes&submitform=Search
[05:25] <\sh> matsubara: I have a shortcut for konqi (kde) that's enough :) but I was wondering where this "features" was gone ;)
[05:25] <Kmos> :)
[05:26] <\sh> spiv: this should be documented ;)
[05:28] <matsubara> Kmos: cool!
[05:28] <statik> the mugshot for the launchpad project looks terrible scaled
[05:29] <statik> https://launchpad.net/launchpad
[05:31] <statik> aha, it's bug 90651
[05:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 90651 in launchpad "Need mugshot images for product, project, distribution, sprint, team" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90651 - Assigned to Victor Zambrano (victor-choosebrilliant)
[05:32] <salgado> statik, not really
[05:33] <salgado> in the case of the launchpad project, the problem is that the mugshot was uploaded some time ago, when small images were accepted
[05:33] <spiv> \sh: file a bug
[05:33] <salgado> now, the template expects the mugshots to be 192x192px and thus scale the old one
[05:35] <statik> salgado: yes, that bug is about getting the 192x images
[05:35] <Kmos> matsubara: i've done it myself :) the opensearch one
[05:36] <salgado> statik, but that bug is only about getting the default mugshot images.
[05:36] <statik> salgado: aha, I understand now. I thought it was a bug against the launchpad specific image
[05:37] <matsubara> Kmos: yeah, I noticed. It's pretty cool. Mine works a bit different, though.
[05:37] <statik> BjornT: is 51215 scheduled to be fixed anytime soon? (I'm responding to user question about this functionality)
[05:38] <statik> bug 51215
[05:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 51215 in malone "Add an "Other" bug tracker type" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51215 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[05:39] <Kmos> matsubara: i must follow the mycroft rules.. some weeks ago, i've done one for PHP.net to be compatible with firefox 2.x and ie7
[05:39] <\sh> spiv: doing so when I'm in my train back home...happy easter to you all :)
[05:40] <Kmos> matsubara: http://pt.php.net/phpnetimprovedsearch.src -> check view source
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #103347 in soyuz "Published binaries don't appear on DRBP/+index until cache is updated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103347
[05:43] <BjornT> statik: it should be fixed within a few months, at least, it's not on my immediate todo.
[05:43] <statik> BjornT: thanks
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #103352 in launchpad "Launchpad project needs 192x192px rocket for branding, the current scaling looks terrible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103352
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #103364 in malone "Global filebug form crashes if you first choose a distribution and later a project." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103364
[06:43] <_Johny> Guys. where can I try to set a local language team?
[06:45] <ddaa> LarstiQ: you might want to know that importd crashed earlier this afternoon
[06:46] <ddaa> so the blender (and drupal) import is going to be lagging a bit until I finished restoring it
[06:46] <sabdfl> BjornT, statik: would an "other" bugtracker type still follow basic rules, like needing a unique id for the bug in that tracker? just not update statuses from it?
[06:46] <ddaa> I took the opportunity to make a clean rollout of the importd code.
[06:46] <carlos> _Johny: for Ubuntu?
[06:46] <sabdfl> or would we require just a url to the bug in that tracker?
[06:47] <statik> sabdfl: I'm getting requests from projects that just want a URL to their upstream bug tracker to be published on the +filebug page
[06:47] <sabdfl> statik: ok, that makes sense, we need to figure out how we handle watches on those
[06:48] <_Johny> carlos: Yes
[06:48] <carlos> _Johny: please, read https://help.launchpad.net/RosettaFAQ#head-b356f13978780b88ed4844602554339ac2c33774
[06:49] <_Johny> carlos: thanks
[06:49] <carlos> you are welcome
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #103370 in malone "Support RubyForge as external bug tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103370
[07:00] <fools> mdke: launchpad looks gorgeous! (Lloyd Budd here)
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #103376 in launchpad "Contact details should show wikis and not wikinames" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103376
[07:24] <LarstiQ> ddaa: what made it crash?
[07:24] <ddaa> crappiness
[07:24] <ddaa> memory leaks in our bitrotten buildbot
[07:27] <ddaa> but it usually takes a few months before it reaches the collapsing point
[07:27] <ddaa> hopefully, next time it happens, there will be good progress at writing a replacement
[07:29] <ddaa> LarstiQ: btw, service has been restored 30 mins ago
[07:31] <LarstiQ> huu
[07:31] <LarstiQ> how did you make buildbot rot?
[07:31] <LarstiQ> ddaa: thanks for the speedy service
[07:31] <ddaa> forked buildbot eons ago
[07:32] <ddaa> I think it last merged upstream at some point in 2005
[07:32] <ddaa> and we've been intending to replace it ever since
[07:32] <ddaa> but a few things got in the way
[07:33] <ddaa> like... switching to bzr, and bring the current launchpad bzr service to its current state...
[07:34] <ddaa> could rant about this for a long time, but it would be boring and not a good use of company time :)
[07:36] <ddaa> just let it be said that the situation is getting better, and I hope to work on this in the next few months.
[08:10] <LaserJock> cprov: will you be at UDS?
[08:11] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, I will
[08:17] <LaserJock> cprov: maybe I should register a "MOTU & Launchpad" spec?
[08:20] <cprov> LaserJock: sure, I should discuss this topic.
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #103409 in malone "Update terminology on global filebug form" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103409
[08:45] <carlos> Enjoy your long weekend!!
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #103434 in launchpad "Validators for ftp and rsync urls are broken in mirror +edit form" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103434
[10:26] <maix> hi
[10:26] <maix> if i translate something in launchpad, shall i replace links to the ubuntu.com wiki by links to the (german) ubuntuusers.de wiki?
[10:27] <LaserJock> if there is an equivalent page
[10:27] <maix> it is.
[10:27] <maix> ok.
[10:28] <LaserJock> maix: I think it's covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation
[10:30] <maix> cannot find anything about this there
[10:30] <maix> i'll ask in #ubuntu-translators
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #103475 in malone "Feisty: Kontact crashed when closing Konqueror (usb drive) (Backtrace attached)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103475
[12:00] <mdke> fools: nothing to do with me, but appreciated no doubt
[12:04] <fools> you no longer do any wrangling with launch?
[12:05] <mdke> fools: I've never been involved in development of launchpad; i'm not a coder at all. Maybe you have someone else in mind
[12:06] <fools> ha, you are right, i was thinking of mpt
[12:07] <gnomefreak> kiko is one of the devels of LP isnt he?
[12:07] <mdke> fools: ah, fair enough.
[12:07] <fools> anyway, it is great!
[12:10] <Kmos> gnomefreak: yes