[15:55] <danbh_intrepid> o wait, you meant, down TO the last character
[15:55] <bsnider> including the last character
[15:55] <bsnider> is that a netgear device?
[15:56] <shirish> ok who was my saviour just few seconds back?
[15:57] <shirish> because of you, now I'm able to be in xfce :)
[15:58] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: no, D-Link, DWA-552
[15:58] <bsnider> ah, mine is the 542
[15:58] <bsnider> that's the extreme card, with 3 antennae, correct?
[15:59] <danbh_intrepid> yeah something like that, it has 3 antennae
[15:59] <joakim> ok, Im back
[15:59] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: were you trying to connect to an N router that wasnt the same model as the card?
[15:59] <joakim> still same problem, error message and then low-graphics mode
[16:00] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, the router is matched to the card
[16:00] <joakim> and no boarders
[16:00] <bsnider> just as the extreme-n router is matched to your card
[16:01] <joakim> maby my problem is compiz related, how do I completely uninstall compiz fuzion?
[16:02] <bsnider> joakim, what's the problem?
[16:02] <frybye> joakim - with snaptic or adept..
[16:02] <frybye> joakim: in linux one can normally fix problems with a bit of help - not often necess.. to "give up" heheh
[16:03] <joakim> after I updated from 8.04 to 8.10 my nvidia driver (177 official) fails after reboot.
[16:03] <bsnider> joakim, you're sure that driver is the one you should be using? what's your graphics card?
[16:03] <joakim> 7900 GT pci-e
[16:03] <frybye> joakim - have you dont regular updates within 8.10 - (there was a new 177 delivered today ifaik...
[16:04] <frybye> bsn.. perhaps he should go to system - hardware support and see what it offers...
[16:04] <joakim> I just managed to enable xfce with Compiz Fusion Icon
[16:05] <frybye> (I have the German lang - intrepid-b here but is will probably be:- system-systemadmin-harware drivers.. for the non-free stuff..
[16:05] <frybye> joakim: so your problem is fixed??
[16:06] <joakim> I can now move the windows around =) that surely helps. So what driver do you recomend?
[16:06] <frybye> joakim: see above - there is a special feature in intrepid-b that help you select-install the nvidia drivers.. and did you do an update today???
[16:06] <joakim> dont know actually, how do I make xfce my defult window manager isntead of compiz?
[16:07] <bsnider> joakim, open a terminal and run the following command: dkms status
[16:07] <joakim> frybye: tnx Ill see if there is any updates. bsnider: brb
[16:08] <joakim> nvidia, 177.80: added
[16:08] <frybye> joakim: I did the autom. sys.update this morning - there were (with the repos i have here..) 166 updates.. and amongst them was a new nvidia driver..
[16:08] <joakim> thats what it says
[16:08] <bsnider> the dkms command says that?
[16:09] <joakim> fryebye: ok will do it now, brb
[16:09] <frybye> bsnider.. i dont wanna mess with your advice.. but it seems to make sence to check that he has updated first... or??
[16:10] <compilerwriter> slavik you come up with anything to help me?
[16:10] <bsnider> frybye, i can get it working but he has to follow my instructions
[16:10] <frybye> i c - beg your pardon.. i will hang out a bit...
[16:11] <joakim> ok, I get a message that says: "Not all updates can be installed" hold for more..
[16:11] <frybye> assuming the nvidia driver update does not do it .. then - oh he is back...
[16:11] <joakim> it says I can make a partial upgrade
[16:12] <der_lunz> can someone guide me, where to report a kde bug to?
[16:12] <bsnider> joakim, please don't do that yet
[16:12] <frybye> yeah was the same with me - you have alternative of "partial update.." i went for that - it was only 2 from 166 that could not be installed..
[16:12] <joakim> no partial update - check
[16:12] <bsnider> joakim,  run the dkms status command please
[16:12] <joakim> ok, brb
[16:12] <joakim> nvidia, 177.80: added
[16:12] <frybye> joakim: listen to bsnider.. he knows a lot more than me for sure.. i am a relative newbie myself..
[16:12] <joakim> same as before
[16:13] <joakim> thnx fryebye =)
[16:13] <bsnider> that means the nvidia driver isn't built into the kernel, so of course it can't be loaded
[16:13] <ikonia>  joakim how did you get on
[16:13] <joakim> ah ok i see
[16:13] <bsnider> runt he following command: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
[16:13] <bsnider> afterwards, please repeat the dkms status command
[16:14] <joakim> nvidia-glx-177 is already the newest version.
[16:14] <joakim> nvidia-glx-177 set to manually installed.
[16:14] <joakim> seems like it is already installed?
[16:14] <frybye> bsnider what is that full command    dkms status   or  sudo dkms or -i would like to check here too...
[16:15] <bsnider> dkms status
[16:15] <bsnider> that's the command. it should say: nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-6-generic, x86_64: installed (original_module exists)
[16:15] <kinto_0> can someone help me figure out why ibex is trying to do a partial upgrade, yet keeps failing on cleanup?
[16:15] <frybye> this is what I get: nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-6-generic, x86_64: installed
[16:16] <joakim> fryebye, ok I would like that aswell =)
[16:16] <bsnider> runt he following command: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-177
[16:16] <frybye> joakim: if you have 32bit os will be a bit different.. but listen to bsnider...
[16:16] <der_lunz> After upgrading kubuntu intrepid today, logging out and in again, the first <ALT>+F2 will cause to disable keyboard input, left mouse clicks will show the "move window" cursor, has anyone seen this behaviour before?
[16:17] <joakim> ok, will do
[16:17] <joakim> brb
[16:17] <nspyr> what do i do then if the default nv driver makes the screen go corrupt and freeze system and i have to reboot
[16:18] <nspyr> i mean hit reset
[16:18] <joakim> ok, done
[16:18] <bsnider> dkms status
[16:18] <antoranz> HI, Guys!
[16:18] <joakim> nvidia, 177.80: added
[16:18] <bsnider> still not installed
[16:19] <bsnider> joakim, open up synaptic please
[16:19] <joakim> ok, done
[16:20]  * kinto_0 's distribution upgrade remains frozen at processing triggers for man-db
[16:20] <kinto_0> : (
[16:20] <antoranz> Look.... I change the animation in the compiz manager..... but compiz doesn't do it
[16:20] <bsnider> joakim, you need to have the linux-headers package for your kernel installed, so search for linux-headers
[16:21] <joakim> cant find such a package, do I need a extra repo for that?
[16:22] <bsnider> joakim, it is there. search for it, do not use "quick search" use the search button
[16:22] <joakim> ok, brb
[16:23] <joakim> ok, I have "linux-headers-2.6.27-6" installed
[16:24] <bsnider> ok, also grab the -generic package, and the linux-headers-generic package
[16:24] <bsnider> then reinstall the nvidia-177-kernel-source package
[16:26] <joakim> got them both, will now reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source
[16:26] <bsnider> then reinstall nvidia-glx-177
[16:26] <joakim> hm, cant find nvidia-177-kernel-source
[16:27] <bsnider> it's definitely there
[16:27] <bsnider> just search for nvidia
[16:27] <bsnider> don't use quick search
[16:28] <joakim> ok, found it and reinstalled. will now reinstall nvidia-glx-177
[16:28] <bsnider> afterwards, run dkms status
[16:28] <jaldhar> hello. a bad bad thing just happened.
[16:28] <joakim> nvidia, 177.80: added
[16:29] <joakim> same as before
[16:29] <jaldhar> the last kubuntu ibex upgrade I did apparently installed some partition encryption thingy
[16:29] <joakim> what does "added" meen anyway?
[16:30] <ikonia> joakim included
[16:30] <joakim> bsnider, your help is most appreciated
[16:30] <joakim> ok
[16:30] <ikonia> joakim: installed
[16:30] <jaldhar> when I rebooted I was greeted by a message asking me to enter my passphrase.  but I never chose a passphrase
[16:30] <ikonia> jaldhar then your screwed
[16:30] <ikonia> jaldhar: if you've encypted your disk and don't know the password your out of luck
[16:31] <jaldhar> ikonia:  AAAARGH.  But how did this happen?
[16:31] <fr00d> Hello!
[16:31] <ikonia> jaldhar you installed it
[16:31] <joakim> maby I should just reinstall the whole os?
[16:31] <fr00d> Is there a known issue with pidgin and not connecting to icq server? Here it only says waiting for network connection.
[16:31] <joakim> and not install compiz =)
[16:32] <siriusnova> mmmmm
[16:32] <jaldhar> ikonia: yeah but shouldn't there have been some debconf thing about it?  I swear there wasn't
[16:32] <siriusnova> intrepid ibex
[16:32] <siriusnova> yummy
[16:32] <siriusnova> i need me some venison
[16:32] <ikonia> jaldhar I think you've missed it
[16:33] <jaldhar> ikonia: one more thing.  If I didn't choose a passphrase, is it blank or was some random one chosen?
[16:33] <ikonia> jaldhar try blank,
[16:33] <bsnider> joakim, this has nothing to do with compiz
[16:33] <bsnider> joakim, please reinstall your main kernel package
[16:33] <joakim> bsnider, ok
[16:34] <jaldhar> ikonia: but the prompt won't let me enter a non-empty one.  Any way around that?
[16:34] <ikonia> jaldhar nope
[16:34] <batti5>  hi im batti5, i installed kubuntu interpred ibex beta, all ok but i can`t set the res higher the 1024x768 on my intel 815 card, can anyone help?
[16:34] <bsnider> joakim, reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-6-generic
[16:35] <joakim> ok, will do that now, brb
[16:35] <jaldhar> ikonia: this is a kernel driver or some user mode program that displays the prompt
[16:35] <jaldhar> ?
[16:36] <batti5> but iterpred works good
[16:36] <danbh_intrepid> fr00d: did anyone answer you?
[16:36] <batti5> in hardy its easy you can select video card & monitor from the settings
[16:36] <ikonia> jaldhar: it's usermode I believe
[16:37] <batti5> in ibex there isent in setting
[16:37] <fr00d> danbh_intrepid: No. :(
[16:37] <kinto_0> i need some upgrade help please
[16:38] <danbh_intrepid> fr00d: its a known bug of network manager.  For now, you can just disable and then re-enable the account to connect
[16:38] <rafkid> hi - have just allowed 8.1 beta to upgrade itself - now stuck at my login screen without a keybaord or wokring mouse to boot from - any ideas gratefully received
[16:38] <jaldhar> ikonia: hmm I wonder if I can recompile it to accept blanks, burn an ubuntu live cd with it and try mounting the encrypted volume with that.  which package should I be looking for?
[16:38] <fr00d> danbh_intrepid: Is it also possible to disable nm completely?
[16:39] <ikonia> jaldhar: it's too late - it's encypted
[16:39] <fr00d> danbh_intrepid: I didn't think about it but I never used network-manager.
[16:39] <fr00d> I'm using only the ifupdown tools some dhclient, ifconfig and so on.
[16:39] <jaldhar> ikonia: I see.  Damn
[16:40] <batti5> i need help with ibex resolution set
[16:40] <danbh_intrepid> fr00d: there probably is, but I never cared to look into it.  I'm sure they will fix it at some point.  I DID figure out the firefox problem though.  If you want that work around, let me know
[16:40] <danbh_intrepid> rafkid: can you get to a tty?
[16:40] <fr00d> danbh_intrepid: I'll first have a try without network-manager, brb.
[16:41] <rafkid> possibly - am wokring a winxp box atm
[16:41] <parfu> batti5 : you have a 8.04 live cd?
[16:41] <batti5> i try dpkg-reconigure xserever-xorg but it only asks about keybord not video nor monitor, anybody has any ideas?
[16:41] <danbh_intrepid> rafkid: you know what Im talking about, right?/ the ctrl+alt+f1
[16:42] <kinto_0> danbh_intrepid: ibex distro upgrade is freezing on cleanup ... is there a way to fix this?
[16:42] <batti5> no i installed from alternative cd
[16:42] <danbh_intrepid> rafkid: try this candy command!  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[16:42] <rafkid> aaaaaaaaaaah - yes I did understand - you just made me realsie something though - i might get that I can do ctrlaltdel
[16:43] <rafkid> if i did get a tty=terminal where to then?
[16:43] <W8TAH> hi folks -- working on a kubuntu ibex beta install -- went from the live CD -- answered all the questions and clicked install - im getting the 2 spinny balls and no HDD activity -- problem?  resolution?
[16:43] <danbh_intrepid> rafkid: run the command I just posted
[16:43] <rafkid> ty
[16:43] <batti5> parf : you have a 8.04 live cd? batti5 : no, do i need it?
[16:44] <danbh_intrepid> rafkid: and dont forget the ^(carrot) !!!!!!
[16:44] <rafkid> in fact many ty's
[16:44] <danbh_intrepid> :p
[16:44] <rafkid> lol - ok -ty
[16:44] <fr00d> perfect! It works really fine without network-manager.
[16:44] <danbh_intrepid> tty's?
[16:44] <parfu> batti5: in 8.04 there was displayconfig-gtk, but it has been removed (i really can't understand why). I copied my xorg.conf from 8.04 to intrepid
[16:44] <kinto_0> danbh_intrepid: ibex distro upgrade is freezing on cleanup ... is there a way to fix this? ... sorry for asking again
[16:44] <alkisg> Hi, I think I read somewhere that in Ubuntu Intrepid there was to be another IM, alternative to pidgin... But I don't remember the package name! Any help?
[16:45] <kinto_0> comment keeps getting lost
[16:45] <kinto_0> empathy
[16:45] <kinto_0> alkisg:
[16:45] <alkisg> kinto_0, thanks!
[16:45] <W8TAH> alkisg: i cna recomend carrier or kopete
[16:45] <danbh_intrepid> kinto_0: I don't really know.  I would just kill the thing, and then run some update commands from the cli, to make sure everything got finished
[16:45] <batti5> can i install a displayconfig for hardy?
[16:46] <kinto_0> what cmd's would that be???
[16:46] <alkisg> About the update_manager, a bug is filed, it's milestoned...
[16:46] <kinto_0> :O
[16:46] <parfu> batti5 no, it has been removed
[16:46] <kinto_0> :(
[16:46] <kinto_0> :\
[16:46] <danbh_intrepid> kinto_0: that would be the work around.  and I assume you just want to get it working
[16:46] <batti5> so wath then?
[16:46] <kinto_0> indeed ... link?
[16:46] <alkisg> kinto_0, let me find it...
[16:47] <W8TAH> hi folks -- working on a kubuntu ibex beta install -- went from the live CD -- answered all the questions and clicked install - im getting the 2 spinny balls and no HDD activity -- problem?  resolution?
[16:47] <kinto_0> tks alkisg
[16:47] <danbh_intrepid> kinto_0: try this candy command!  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[16:47] <rafkid> danbh - will brb - am swapping box's ty=thankyou :)
[16:47] <bsnider> joakim, i'm under some time pressure here
[16:47] <danbh_intrepid> rafkid: np
[16:47] <alkisg> kinto_0, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/280236
[16:47] <batti5> i like interpred, its cool, the audio runs like never before on intel 815
[16:48] <joakim> bsnider, ok i had to reboot couse synaptics froze. now I dont have root.. how do I get it?
[16:48] <alkisg> hey, fix released?
[16:48] <mvo> the update-manager fix just got uploaded
[16:48] <alkisg> Oh, 7 minutes ago!!! :)
[16:48] <mvo> should be there in ~1h
[16:48] <bsnider> joakim, i don'
[16:48] <mvo> (in the archive)
[16:48] <bsnider> i don't understand the question
[16:48] <alkisg> mvo, very good!!!
[16:49] <joakim> bsnider, ok. I marked the linux-kernel for reinstallation but I cant click apply
[16:49] <TheGame> Hi, how can I upgrade without the iso
[16:49] <joakim> I guesse that it is because Im not root
[16:49] <bsnider> joak close synaptic and open a terminal please
[16:49] <joakim> ok done
[16:50] <bsnider> alright run the following command:
[16:50] <W8TAH> nevermind -- its worked - -
[16:50] <joakim> ready
[16:50] <zniavre> hello
[16:50] <bsnider> sudo dkms build -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k 2.6.27-6-generic
[16:50] <zniavre> hal seems to does not detect mouse and keyboaard anymore
[16:51] <parfu> batti5 in this i can not help you. The only way is to manually config /etc/X11/xorg.conf but my knowledge is really poor in editing xorg
[16:51] <zniavre> there is a way to reconfigure hal please?
[16:52] <TheGame> noodlesgc, that update manager command doesn't give me the option of upgrading to 8.10
[16:52] <TheGame> noodlesgc, I use xbuntu if that makes a diff
[16:53] <joakim> build completed
[16:53] <bsnider> now run sudo dkms install -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k 2.6.27-6-generic
[16:53] <batti5> dose anyone konw how to setup intel 815 video card & compaq 7500 manualy?
[16:53] <noodlesgc> TheGame ok, not sure, ask in here
[16:54] <joakim> install completed
[16:54] <TheGame> Does anyone know how I can upgrade my xbuntu 8.0.4 to 8.1.0? Without having to download the whole iso
[16:54] <bsnider> joakim, run dkms status
[16:54] <joakim> nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-6-generic, i686: installed
[16:55] <joakim> thats a good thing, right?
[16:55] <bsnider> ok, the module is now available to be loaded and used
[16:55] <TheGame> Oh noodlesgc, I just disabled my pre-release respiratory sources and tried your command again and now it's given me the option! Thanks
[16:55] <bsnider> now i need a look at your xorg.conf file
[16:55] <bsnider> can you pastebin it?
[16:55] <joakim> ok, what line? All of it?
[16:55] <bsnider> all
[16:55] <noodlesgc> TheGame ah, ill remember that one, i'm sure it will happen to countless other people
[16:56] <joakim> Section "Monitor"
[16:56] <joakim> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[16:56] <joakim> EndSection
[16:56] <joakim> Section "Screen"
[16:56] <joakim> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[16:56] <joakim> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[16:56] <joakim> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[16:56] <joakim> 	DefaultDepth	24
[16:56] <joakim> 	Option	"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"True"
[16:56] <joakim> EndSection
[16:56] <joakim> Section "Module"
[16:56] <joakim> 	Load		"glx"
[16:56] <joakim> 	Disable	"dri2"
[16:56] <joakim> EndSection
[16:56] <bsnider> i said pastebin, not paste it in here
[16:56] <joakim> sorry, here is the whole one
[16:56] <bsnider> !pastebin
[16:56] <joakim> !pastebin
[16:57] <joakim> ok, sorry
[16:57] <bsnider> joak, i want you to open your xorg.conf file in gedit with root privilges and replace it with mine
[16:57] <joakim> bsnider, ok
 can you help me with xorg.conf to?
[16:58] <bsnider> joakim, here's mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/56028/
[16:59] <bsnider> after you finish, restart your computer and the nvidia module should load
[16:59] <bsnider> batti5, i have to go away for awhile, but maybe later
[16:59] <batti5> ok
[16:59] <joakim> bsnider, ok I will now reboot
[17:02] <zniavre> hello again
[17:02] <joakim> bsnider, back but the driver did not load
[17:03] <jaldhar> ikonia:  I got back to the encrypted disk!  Apparently if you choose recovery from the grub menu and select drop to a shell (or something) it bypasses the passphrase check.
[17:03] <zniavre> i can't use mouse / keyboard anymore any ideas of what is the worrie?
[17:04] <jaldhar> ikonia: so now how do I set a passphrase or reset it or remove it altogether?
[17:04] <joakim> dkms status
[17:04] <joakim> nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-6-generic, i686: installed
[17:04] <joakim> so it should load right?
[17:05] <jaldhar> ikonia: is cryptsetup the package that handles this?
[17:06] <bytor4232> Okay
[17:06] <bytor4232> interesting problem
[17:07] <bytor4232> I can't use mouse / keyboard
[17:07] <joakim> bsnider : will things get wors if I do a partial update?
[17:07] <bytor4232> Just updated.  Now mouse and kbd doesn't work.
[17:09] <joakim> bsnider : I have to go and if you are not here when I come back I just like to thank you for your help. You are truly one of ubuntu communitys finest
[17:12] <bytor4232> Hey ubuntu+1, how to I get my mouse and kbd back?
[17:13] <zniavre> bytor4232:  i hav same problem here
[17:13]  * bytor4232 signs
[17:13] <bytor4232> I was able to CTRL-ALT-F1
[17:13] <bytor4232> At least I could get to my screen, which is running on an LTS server.
[17:13] <noodlesgc> have you guys tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[17:13] <bytor4232> that runs Alpine, Finch, Epic4, and Rtorrent
[17:13] <zniavre> this i do not know how to do but i connect irssi
[17:14] <bytor4232> All I need to keep working in an emergency.
[17:14] <zniavre> noodlesgc:  yes i tried
[17:14] <zniavre> i talked about hal something
[17:15] <bytor4232> noodlesgc: Yup, I tried too.
[17:15] <bytor4232> I knew updating at the data center was a bad idea.
[17:15] <bytor4232> Actually, running Intrepid on my laptop is probably a bad idea.
[17:16]  * bytor4232 needs to get back to X so he can get Bob and Tom 24/7 back up and going!
[17:16] <bytor4232> Of course, I miht need firefox soon.
[17:16] <zniavre> i even erase xorg.conf but in failsafe session mouse and kbd are stucks
[17:17] <eklof> Hi.
[17:17] <rafkid> danb - many thanks for the candy tty command - worked a treat after several pass
[17:17] <eklof> Anyone else having problems with no sound in flash-movies in firefox?
[17:17] <compilerwriter> zniavre are you not able to start an x session either?
[17:17] <igormorgado> hi there. I updated Intrepid right now and it broke (again) my keyboard, I noticed that there was missing a special key in keycodes/evdev the fix is just add this special key cause the key exists in symbols/br file. where should I post the fix
[17:18] <zniavre> compilerwriter:  startx does not work too
[17:18] <zniavre> yes it's on gdm i can't use mouse/kbd
[17:19] <zniavre> so i guess xsession is open
[17:19] <der_lunz> i found this bug report, maybe it helps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/254840/comments/5
[17:20] <zniavre> der_lunz:  this must say it will be corrected soon ?
[17:20] <compilerwriter> slavik and I were able to determine that, in my case, kdm was working but something was going wrong in getting x fired up
[17:20] <rski> hei
[17:21] <urban_ryoga> is there a way to downgrade network-manager? I'm seriously tethered here
[17:21] <rski> 'could not launch menu item' gnome-apperance-propertions' no such file or directory
[17:21] <rski> what package do i need?=
[17:21] <compilerwriter> Blueskaj you around?
[17:22] <zniavre> how can i see wabsite without x please to read der_lunz  links ?
[17:22] <zniavre> web*
[17:22] <igormorgado> urban_ryoga: pin the lower version with priority 1000 or greater
[17:22] <der_lunz> zniavr: i won't know, though i believe so. Anyways you can follow the directions in the comments meanwhile
[17:23] <EitheL>  hey, anyone here?
[17:23] <der_lunz> zniavre: use 'links' (sudo apt-get install links)
[17:23] <rafkid> zniavre - I just had this problem fixed a few moments ago - open a tty and use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ - repeat it a few times and here I am back
[17:23] <igormorgado> urban_ryoga: or download the lower version manually, remove net-man and install lower version
[17:23] <EitheL>  hey, i'm having a problem using update manager... still on alpha-6 i believe
[17:24] <rafkid> zniavre - and don't forget the ^ carrot...................all thanks to danb
[17:24] <rski> um?
[17:24] <zniavre> carrot ?
[17:24] <rafkid> ^
[17:25] <urban_ryoga> igormorgado: i have to do it manually right? I don't see previous versions in the package manager
[17:25] <rafkid> ^=carrott symbol
[17:25] <zniavre> sorry im a bit french i can't understand
[17:25] <tsuru> did anyone else's evdev module get flagged for uninstall?
[17:25] <igormorgado> urban_ryoga: right
[17:26] <EitheL>  are the updatet servers down? I am having a hard time updating my computer using update manager and synaptic package manager
[17:26] <zniavre> rafkid:  it updates nothing
[17:26] <EitheL>  some files are just not downloading, takes 5 minutes or more to acknoledge its not downloading
[17:27] <urban_ryoga> igormorgado: what do you mean by pin the lower version with priority 1000 or greater?
[17:27] <rafkid> zniavre: so sorry for you then - that was the sum totl of my help knowledge today - worked a treat for me - sorry for you it does not
[17:28] <wtgee> Hello...my latest round of updates completely borked my whole system, is anyone else eeing that?
[17:29] <ConstantineXVI> anyone else not able to call up gnome-do from the keyboard?
[17:29] <EitheL>  @wtgee I can't update
[17:29] <EitheL>  @wtgee i'm still on alpha-6
[17:29] <igormorgado> urban_ryoga: this is "advanced" package administration, isnt intended for users, there isnt any interface to do that, pin is to set a specific priority in a package or repository, btw, GIYF.
[17:29] <wtgee> I lost basically all of gnome
[17:29] <EitheL>  it appears no one is responding?
[17:29] <igormorgado> wtgee:  install gnome-session and ubuntu-desktop
[17:30] <EitheL>  have you tried to do alt+f2 and put in update-manager?
[17:30] <EitheL>  gnome on my computer works
[17:30] <wtgee> igormorgado: Yeah, I am pretty sure I can fix it...I guess I was wondering why it was so broken.
[17:30] <igormorgado> wtgee: because is ALPHA
[17:30] <wtgee> EitheL: I just ran the updates again and it didn't do anything.
[17:30] <wtgee> igormorgdao: Aren't we on beta now. ;)
[17:31] <igormorgado> wtgee: things can broke, package can change his names, you can lose an update and something should be removed on repository
[17:31] <EitheL>  we are... i'm stuck on alpha because update manager isn't working
[17:31] <W8TAH> im having with the new network manager in kubuntu 8.10beta -- i cant seem to get to let me have a static IP on my laptop - -can someone please help me?
[17:31] <igormorgado> wtgee: but youre not =D
[17:31] <wtgee> igormorgado: I realize that and I am not complaining, just asking if others are seeing it
[17:31] <igormorgado> wtgee: i got a problem in my gnome today, fixed in 2 minutes.
[17:31] <igormorgado> wtgee: my gnome was wiped out agter a update.
[17:32] <wtgee> igormorgado: Do you suggest fixing it manually or waiting until it is fixed by newer updates?
[17:32] <bytor4232> So whats the deal with X.  Can anyone help me fix it in here>
[17:33] <igormorgado> wtgee: i dont know youre REAL problem,i fixed mine just installing gnome-session and ubuntu-desktop (meta package)
[17:33] <bytor4232> kbd and mouse aren't working after the update I completed a few mins ago.
[17:33] <igormorgado> bytor4232: are you using evdev
[17:34] <bytor4232> I don't think so
[17:34] <EitheL>  from what i'm hearing.. i should be happy my update manager isn't working >_>
[17:34] <igormorgado> this is your problem, this is a know bug, have you updated or installed beta from cd
[17:34] <EitheL>  me?
[17:35] <bytor4232> KBD is working if I hit ctrl-alt-f1 and log in from the console.
[17:35] <bytor4232> Thats where I am now.
[17:35] <wtgee> igormorgado: I run updates every day, often multiple times.
[17:35]  * bytor4232 is screwed.  he's working at the data center without a backup desktop
[17:35] <igormorgado> EitheL: dpkg is your friend, apt is dpkg friend.
[17:35] <igormorgado> wtgee: so do I =D, im apt-get dist-upgrade addicted
[17:35] <bytor4232> igormorgado: How do I check to see if I'm using evdev?
[17:36] <igormorgado> bytor4232: first answer my previous question
[17:36] <wtgee> igormorgado: Yeah, me too, it's rather silly. :)
[17:36] <wtgee> igromorgado: Have you re-run update after manually reinstall ubuntu-desktop and gnome-session?
[17:36] <igormorgado> wtgee: no problem on do it.
[17:37] <igormorgado> wtgee: after start your empty X session (try to open an xterm and run gnome-session manually, check output)
[17:37] <bytor4232> igormorgado: I ran xinit -- :1 &> out.txt
[17:37] <bytor4232> igormorgado: In out.txt it says "evdev not found"
[17:38] <igormorgado> bytor4232: this is your problem, this is a know bug, have you updated or installed beta from cd
[17:38] <bytor4232> igormorgado: I updated a few minutes ago
[17:38] <igormorgado> bytor4232: updated from 8.04
[17:38] <bytor4232> igormorgado: update-manager
[17:38] <EitheL>  how do i get it running using dpkg? looked around
[17:38] <rafkid> all: for those with no kbd or mouse - mine was fixed with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ - which I ran several times until it dl all and isntalled all - it worked for me................
[17:38] <bytor4232> igormorgado: Upgraded from Intrepid beta
[17:38] <igormorgado> bytor4232: ok edit your xorg.conf and set key and  mouse as evdev driver
[17:39] <igormorgado> or just remove keyboard and mouse entries.. that should do the work too
[17:39] <bytor4232> igormorgado: There is no kbd and mouse entries
[17:40] <igormorgado> that is perfect. hmm
[17:40] <wtgee> igormorgado: ok, brb...hopefully :)
[17:40] <igormorgado> try to paste your xorg.log somewhere
[17:40] <wtgee> igormorgado: Well, I guess I don't have to leave.  session started up fine.
[17:40] <bytor4232> igormorgado: http://arthur.jfmi.net/xorg.conf.txt
[17:41] <wtgee> Now to get out of failsafe...
[17:41] <igormorgado> wtgee: very nice. now its fixed
[17:41] <igormorgado> bytor4232: I want the logs, not the conf
[17:41] <bytor4232> igormorgado: http://arthur.jfmi.net/out.txt
[17:42] <igormorgado> btw.. i think that there is a problem here (im not yet confortable with new X org files)
[17:42] <bytor4232> igormorgado: http://arthur.jfmi.net/Xorg.0.log
[17:42] <igormorgado> (EE) Failed to load module "evdev" (module does not exist, 0)
[17:42] <igormorgado> big problem
[17:42] <wtgee> and voila
[17:43] <igormorgado> wtgee: congrats.. its working =D
[17:43] <wtgee> igormorgado: Thanks.
[17:43] <igormorgado> bytor4232:  install xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[17:43] <igormorgado> wtgee: youre welcome.. I will create a paypal account to me =D
[17:44] <Ali_ix> is it stable enough to upgrade without blowing up the system?
[17:44] <EitheL>  u never know..
[17:44] <igormorgado> Ali_ix: not stable at all
[17:45] <wtgee> igormorgado: Hey, my  money probably won't be worth anything soon anyway. ;)
[17:45] <bytor4232> igormorgado: http://arthur.jfmi.net/out.1.txt
[17:45] <igormorgado> wtgee: dolar
[17:45] <igormorgado> wow.. broken packages
[17:45] <Ali_ix> igormorgado: can you explain a bit? driver issues? gnome? whole xorg things or kernel?
[17:45] <igormorgado> gnome, xorg, kernel
[17:45] <igormorgado> all user things
[17:45] <igormorgado> =D
[17:45] <bytor4232> igormorgado: I'm running "apt-get update" to see if it fixes stuff
[17:45] <EitheL>  same here
[17:46] <bytor4232> igormorgado: WOOOT!
[17:46] <igormorgado> bytor4232: paste your sources.list too
[17:46] <bytor4232> igormorgado: BOOOYA!
[17:46] <igormorgado>      1:2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu3 0 my version
[17:46] <bytor4232> igormorgado: Between me running update-manager and now there has been a "fix" or something
[17:46] <igormorgado> bytor4232: that happens
[17:46] <bytor4232> igormorgado: I ran apt-get update, then I could install that udev
[17:46] <Ali_ix> igormorgado: sounds cool :) going to upgrade :}
[17:47] <igormorgado> maybe bot is compiling right now.
[17:47] <igormorgado> then new versions are being uploaded and packages.bz rebuilt
[17:48] <EitheL>  when I typed sudo apt-get update it downloads some stuff and now its stuck on one and its saying waiting for headers
[17:48] <igormorgado> EitheL: =D wait 1 hour and try again
[17:48] <igormorgado> EitheL: you can step in another hole trying to update now
[17:48] <EitheL>  its been like this for like... 4 days O_o""
[17:49] <igormorgado> EitheL: youre unlucky =D
[17:49] <igormorgado> btw, this isnt stable yet
[17:49] <rafkid> igormorgado: sensei your humour is good :) - a n00b doffs his hat to the master.........................
[17:49] <EitheL>  so this will autocorrect and I don't need to do anything, just wait
[17:50] <igormorgado> EitheL: if youre stepping in broken package things, your should wait for them "unbroke"
[17:50] <bytor4232> igormorgado: Your the best.
[17:50] <igormorgado> Rafik_: am I know you.
[17:51] <EitheL>  ok, thanks :D
[17:51] <igormorgado> rafkid: am i know you.
[17:52] <EitheL>  also, pulseaudio problems sometimes AKA it crashes and I get no audio
[17:52] <EitheL>  is that fixed?
[17:52] <rafkid> igormorgado: no we don't know one another - just admiring you helping out is all
[17:53] <igormorgado> rafkid: =D no, just because, im really a sensei.
[17:53] <EitheL>  indeed he is :P
[17:53] <igormorgado> EitheL: i mean, martial arts one
[17:53] <rafkid> igor: fantastic!!! - sensei I bow to you
[17:54] <EitheL>  ahh, literaly :P
[17:54] <EitheL>  which martial arts specificly :P
[17:54] <igormorgado> aikido and karate
[17:54] <EitheL>  ahh
[17:54] <EitheL>  i learned a little akido but it never caught on :P
[17:54] <EitheL>  aikido*
[17:55] <igormorgado> but this doesnt matter here, I was just curious because that =D
[17:56] <igormorgado> i gtg, lunch time =D be well
[17:56] <joakim> Problem: Im on ubuntu 8.10 and my nvidia 177.10 wont load on bootup
[17:57] <joakim> dkms status says installed
[17:57] <igormorgado> joakim: tried modprobe nvidia
[17:57] <joakim> no, will do
[17:57] <igormorgado> ok if works add it to /etc/modules
[17:58] <joakim> I just realized that I dont know how to use modprobe =) sorry, how do I use it?
[18:00] <igormorgado>  modprobe nvidia
[18:00] <igormorgado> joakim: intrepid isnt intended for first time users =D
[18:00] <batti5> intel 815 not detected in interpred ibex only 1024x768
[18:01] <joakim> so Ive learned =) have to learn somehow thoug =P
[18:01] <igormorgado> rafkid: http://arda.ibeu.org.br/dojo.jpg
[18:01] <batti5> intel 815 not detected in interpred ibex, any help?
[18:02] <igormorgado> batti5: lspci find it(question)
[18:02] <batti5>  batti5: lspci find it(question) wath is this?
[18:02] <joakim> igor: ok I unloaded it with -r and then loaded it again, cant really tell if it did something
[18:03] <batti5> how to set res higher?
[18:04] <joakim> igormorgado: ok I unloaded it with -r and then loaded it again, cant really tell if it did something, do I need to reboot?
[18:05] <h4wk> is there a workaround yet for BCM43xx ndiswrapper seems to not work, aswell as the fwcutter
[18:05] <igormorgado> joakim: no. try start X and past output somewhere
[18:05] <igormorgado> paste
[18:06] <wtgee> h4wk: I am using bcm4322 drivers without problems.
[18:06] <wtgee> h2wk: from the manufacturer as I recall
[18:06] <joakim> ok, will do, one more thing though, will a "partial update" make things worse or should I upgrade?
[18:06] <h4wk> wtgee: did you fresh install or upgrade?
[18:06] <joakim> (update manager is asking med to do a partial upgrade)
[18:06] <Do``> i just upgraded to ubuntu intrepid and the keyboard shortcuts in rhythmbox dont work. anyone knows where i could delete any configuration files for this to reset it and hopefully solve the issue?
[18:07] <wtgee> h4wk: fresh, but I had to do the drivers manually.
[18:07] <h4wk> wtgee: how did you do it? ndis?
[18:08] <wtgee> h2wk: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[18:09] <rafkid> igor: which one? beard front row right?
[18:10] <rafkid> igormorgado:  which one? beard front row right?
[18:11] <Zvezdichko> hello, folks :) I'm one of your regular testers :) ready to upgrade
[18:11] <h4wk> Do it then.
[18:11] <h4wk> :)
[18:12] <zniavre> i installed xserver-xorg-input evdev an kbd and then mouse kbd works again
[18:12] <Zvezdichko> hehe, I'm very curious and impatient about the new Kubuntu :)
[18:12] <Oli``> Just tried to install the lapm stack through tasksel and now apt is telling me to run "dpkg --configure -a". I run it but it comes back with "dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. Aborted (core dumped)" and now I can't run any apt functions. =\
[18:12] <Oli``> *LAMP stack
[18:15] <joakim> igormorgado: startx said that it was already loaded on monitor0.
[18:16] <rafkid> gtg
[18:17] <batti5> how to set resolution in ibex?
[18:17] <rmn> is compiz safe to update now?
[18:17] <joakim> re: just updated from 8.04 to 8.10 and upon reboot the nvidia 177 driver failed to load. What to do?
[18:18] <aoupi> hi, my sound is not detected here is my lspci -v output: http://pastebin.com/f1b7b8329 aplay -l shows no devices
[18:18] <bsnider> joakim, get to a virtual terminal and kill gdm
[18:19] <bsnider> ctrl-atl-F1
[18:19] <bsnider> then run startx
[18:19] <joakim> hi again, ok will do
[18:22] <AkariChan> hi everyone
[18:23] <Codemaster|Mobil> so i log into ubuntu today after updating and no gnome panels show up :|
[18:23] <EitheL>  hey
[18:23] <EitheL>  lool
[18:23] <EitheL>  i feel like we've met before..
[18:23] <EitheL>  anyway go to terminal
[18:23] <Codemaster|Mobil> :P really
[18:23] <EitheL>  sudo apt-get update  and sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:23] <Codemaster|Mobil> EitheL: i've already tried reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and gnome-panel
[18:23] <EitheL>  hv u tried updating apt-get?
[18:23] <AkariChan> lol
[18:23] <Codemaster|Mobil> yeah
[18:23] <Codemaster|Mobil> i used aptitude, but nonetheless.
[18:23] <EitheL>  restart?
[18:24] <Codemaster|Mobil> there seem to be new packages, not for ubuntu-desktop, however
[18:24] <Codemaster|Mobil> yes i have
[18:24] <wtgee> Codemaster|Mobil: gnome-session
[18:24] <Codemaster|Mobil> hm, let me check that
[18:24] <Codemaster|Mobil> thanks for the help so far
[18:24] <EitheL>  np :P
[18:24]  * Codemaster|Mobil sucks at making bug reports, however :[
[18:25] <EitheL>  me to:P
[18:25] <AkariChan> hi everyone
[18:25] <EitheL>  hey akari :D
[18:25] <Zvezdichko> OK... in Kubuntu the procedure required adept with --dist-devel-upgrade and then clicking on Version upgrade, right?
[18:25] <AkariChan> (why did i say that again... pfft) actually i am here to ask something
[18:25] <batti5> nobody know how to set res higher then 1024x768 in interpred?
[18:26] <TuTUXG> i have res 1400x1050
[18:26] <EitheL>  what do u need akary
[18:26] <EitheL>  and batti
[18:26] <AkariChan> > quick question: if i want to install more fonts (says from my windows/fonts folder) to /usr/share/fonts, the fonts shows up but it shows as [] [] [] (blocks). any idea how to fix that?
[18:26] <EitheL>  is ur graphics card
[18:26] <EitheL>  nvidia
[18:26] <EitheL>  or do u even have a driver installed?
[18:26] <Codemaster|Mobil> batti5: if you have an nVidia card, try installing the 177.80 drivers
[18:26] <EitheL>  @akari theres something in synaptic package manager that can fix that.. i forgot what
[18:27] <EitheL>  well install not fix
[18:27] <batti5> i have intel 815
[18:27] <AkariChan> use system > preference > screen resolution?
[18:27] <EitheL>  brb i'mma go on my linux lappy
[18:27] <Codemaster|Mobil> EitheL, AkariChan: i think there is a package for window fonts
[18:27] <AkariChan> EitheL: ok i'll look into it
[18:27] <EitheL>  there is
[18:27] <Codemaster|Mobil> or TTF fonts or something of the sort
[18:27] <EitheL>  i'm lookin for it now
[18:27] <EitheL>  in package manager
[18:27] <EitheL>  synaptic*
[18:28] <AkariChan> Codemaster|Mobil: ah ok. but i am actually looking into installing some UTF-8 fonts specifically
[18:28] <Codemaster|Mobil> yeah, i was thinking you might be
[18:28] <EitheL>  hey akari, have you installed tff2tex
[18:28] <EitheL>  package
[18:28] <Codemaster|Mobil> gah, i remember installing calibri a while ago, i just forget how :)
[18:28] <batti5> use system > preference > screen resolution? in hardy i had up to 1280x1024
[18:29] <EitheL>  i thinkk its just compatibilty problems..?
[18:29] <AkariChan> im running 1920x1200, on a 8800GT
[18:29] <EitheL>  is that ATI?
[18:29] <AkariChan> but thta's with nvidia-glx
[18:29] <Codemaster|Mobil> batti5: is running an intel card
[18:29] <batti5> it is posible to force it
[18:29] <Zvezdichko> my upgrade started :) Yay!~
[18:29] <EitheL>  Akari: try installing he package tiff2tex in synaptic package manager
[18:30] <EitheL>  Akari: or just look up fonts in quick search and install the other thing..
[18:30] <EitheL>  *still looking for it
[18:30] <Delvien> man firefox is moving so slow...
[18:30] <AkariChan> okie
[18:30] <AkariChan> i'll try that
[18:30] <Codemaster|Mobil> lol, i keep trying to check what time it is and since my gnome panels are gone i look around the desktop for a few seconds, eventually resorting to the clock on the wall :)
[18:30] <FrankT-Qc> I'm on ATI-Radeon, working 1680x1050 but if I hotplug the monitor, i can't get higher than 1280x1024... Restarting X after plugging gives me access to the full resolution
[18:30] <AstralJava> EitheL means ttf2tex or msttcorefonts package. :)
[18:30] <EitheL>  sure both
[18:30] <EitheL>  thats what I was looking for
[18:31] <EitheL>  =_=
[18:31] <batti5> on the site it sais edit xorg.conf, how?
[18:31] <Codemaster|Mobil> wtgee: gnome-session was already installed and i just reinstalled it
[18:31] <Codemaster|Mobil> ubuntu-desktop is already installed, as well, but i will reinstall that, too
[18:31] <AkariChan> compiz is so win :D
[18:31] <Codemaster|Mobil> AkariChan: definitely
[18:32] <CPrgmSwR2> i am having a sound issue amarok and juk won't play music
[18:32] <CPrgmSwR2> but I can play system sounds
[18:32] <CPrgmSwR2> lame is installed
[18:32] <EitheL>  does VLC plaer work?
[18:32] <EitheL>  player*
[18:32]  * AkariChan flips the screen
[18:32] <AkariChan> and wine makes it the last thing i had to worry about my windows programs... :D
[18:32] <Codemaster|Mobil> EitheL: so i have ubuntu-desktop and gnome-session already installed - any other recommendations or should I just try a reboot?
[18:33] <EitheL>  i'd say reboot
[18:33] <Codemaster|Mobil> AkariChan: too bad it doesn't run Photoshop just as efficently or i'd be able to convert a good number of art students here; us IT/CS/SE kids already use Linux plenty :P
[18:33] <EitheL>  are you on the effected computetr
[18:33] <Codemaster|Mobil> yup haha
[18:33] <EitheL>  or your on a different computer
[18:33] <EitheL>  ahh
[18:34] <AkariChan> ah
[18:34] <Codemaster|Mobil> hence the mobil ;]
[18:34] <AkariChan> Codemaster|Mobil: actually
[18:34] <AkariChan> i am running cs3 portable
[18:34] <AkariChan> on wine
[18:34] <AkariChan> works well
[18:34] <Codemaster|Mobil> ah ok
[18:34] <Codemaster|Mobil> AkariChan: how much memory usage, though?
[18:34] <AkariChan> hm let me check, one sec
[18:34] <Codemaster|Mobil> or is the usage/speed/etc. comparable
[18:35] <Codemaster|Mobil> =_= knowing if i said photoshop worked fine, they'd ask about illustrator, after effects, so on and so forth
[18:35] <AkariChan> lol
[18:35] <AkariChan> im installing csp, :D
[18:35] <Codemaster|Mobil> anywho, gonna give this laptop a good reboot
[18:35] <Codemaster|Mobil> csp?
[18:35] <AkariChan> cs3 portable
[18:35] <Codemaster|Mobil> CS Portable?
[18:35] <Codemaster|Mobil> ok
[18:35]  * Codemaster|Mobil rebootz
[18:35] <jemark> im running intrepid
[18:36] <batti5> my card is detected but the monitor isent, its a compaq 7500
[18:36] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, how can I set webcam (gspca) gamma on intrepid kernel ?
[18:36] <jemark> the rhythbox + pulsaudio has a high cpu usage...
[18:36] <AkariChan> mwahaha
[18:36] <AkariChan> it crashed :P
[18:36] <batti5> my card is detected but the monitor isent, its a compaq 7500, how to select it?
[18:37] <AkariChan> what resolution does it run?
[18:37] <linny> hey ive got the usage of a nice server for a couple of months is there ibex torrents i could seed could some one point me to them please ?
[18:37] <AkariChan> if it's a standard resolution (4:3) just choose a generic LCD with that resolution
[18:37] <aoupi> is there some easycam equivalent that works in 8.10?
[18:37] <batti5> 1024x768
[18:37] <aoupi> or rather, that is in the repos :)
[18:38] <AkariChan> choose "LCD Panel 1024x768 @ 60 Hz" in the settings for the display then
[18:38] <batti5> whare?
[18:38] <AkariChan> when you pick your monitor
[18:39] <AkariChan> system > preference > resolution?
[18:39] <batti5> but interpred dosen alow my to select any!
[18:39] <AkariChan> hmm
[18:39] <AkariChan> 1sec
[18:39] <Delvien> batti5 is your gfx card installd correctly?
[18:39] <Do``> anyone has troubles with keyboard shortcuts in rhythmbox?
[18:40] <Delvien> do'' i use banshee, sorry
[18:40] <AstralJava> batti5: Could you please use actual English words? It's rather disturbing trying to interpret what you're actually trying to say. Thanks.
[18:40] <Delvien> AstralJava, /agree
[18:40] <batti5> batti5 is your gfx card installd correctly? wath is it?
[18:40] <rski> what is the name of the package
[18:40] <Delvien> batti5 GRAPHICS = gfx
[18:40] <rski> for Appereance ?
[18:40] <batti5> but how to install it?
[18:41] <rski> update-manager removed it i think
[18:41] <batti5> now wath?
[18:41] <Delvien> batti5 if you do not know how to isntall your graphics card, you should not be using intrepid yet
[18:41] <Delvien> install*
[18:41] <mvo> rski: it removed what?
[18:41] <batti5> how to installed back?
[18:41] <Delvien> rski gnome-appearance-properties
[18:42] <rski> gnome-propertios- ah
[18:42] <rski> that
[18:42] <batti5> in kubuntu?
[18:42] <rski> ubuntu
[18:42] <rski> E: Couldn't find package gnome-appearance-properties
[18:42] <Delvien> batti5 back up your data and install from acd
[18:42] <Delvien> rski sudo apt-get install kcontrol
[18:42] <linny> batti5: download 8.04 LTS and start fresh
[18:42] <Delvien> rski didnt realize you were in KDE :P sorry
[18:42] <rski> Package kcontrol is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:42] <rski> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[18:42] <rski> is only available from another source
[18:42] <rski> However the following packages replace it: kdelibs4c2a kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:42] <rski> E: Package kcontrol has no installation candidate
[18:43] <rski> weird..
[18:43] <Delvien> ok so sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:43] <CPrgmSwR2> VLC player works just fine
[18:43] <CPrgmSwR2> but not amarok
[18:43] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  errors?
[18:43] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[18:43] <Delvien> pastebin them please
[18:43] <CPrgmSwR2> It just says too many errors
[18:44] <CPrgmSwR2> but it doesn't say what
[18:44] <Delvien> run amarok in a terminal
[18:44] <Delvien> the terminal will output the errors
[18:44] <CPrgmSwR2> got it
[18:44] <batti5> but i installed fresh not upgrade
[18:45] <CPrgmSwR2> http://rafb.net/p/TZj1YT55.html
[18:45] <Delvien> batti5 yes, but you installed a beta version. which is prone to bugs.
[18:45] <CPrgmSwR2> I am not sure if this will help
[18:45] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  my god thats a mess
[18:46] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[18:46] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2, "[WARNING!] Phonon failed to play this URL. Error:  "" "Error, can not play this track."   are you playing a stream?
[18:46] <batti5> yas, but i can set res manualy, if i would know how!
[18:46] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[18:46] <CPrgmSwR2> no
[18:46] <CPrgmSwR2> I am playing an mp3
[18:47] <Delvien> batti5 http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download download that version, burn the image to a cd and install from there.
[18:47] <CPrgmSwR2> I am using GStreamer
[18:48] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2, are you fully updated?
[18:48] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[18:48] <batti5> but it going to be relased on oct 30, if i wait autoupdate would fix it on?
[18:49] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2, Phonon is audio output, are you having other sound problems? try playing the MP3 with totem (or whatever you use)
[18:49] <batti5> its just 10 days left
[18:49] <CPrgmSwR2> I am able to play with vlc
[18:49] <Delvien> October 30th is 20 days away batti5
[18:50] <CPrgmSwR2> but I can't play with juk
[18:50] <CPrgmSwR2> its like gstreamer is fucked
[18:50] <batti5> but that not so bad
[18:50] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  language
[18:50] <CPrgmSwR2> sorry
[18:50] <batti5> sould i report this bug?
[18:50] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  its ok, just keep it SFW (safe for work)
[18:50] <CPrgmSwR2> okay lol
[18:51] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  do you have an MTP device attached?
[18:51] <batti5> maybe it whill get fixed
[18:51] <CPrgmSwR2> I need to go to work, but I think there is a sound issue with intrepid
[18:51] <CPrgmSwR2> MTP?
[18:51] <Delvien> Guess not :p
[18:51] <Delvien> im looking CPrgmSwR2
[18:51] <linny> batti5: even on the 30th its likley that intrepid will still be less stable than hardy
[18:51] <CPrgmSwR2> There is a thread with someone else having the same problem
[18:52] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  in amarok options, select xine. and try again
[18:52] <rmn> latest kernel is unbootable (can't see keyboard or usb-key to get passphrase for luks-volume)
[18:52] <rmn> suggestions on how to proceed?
[18:52] <batti5> wait! if the final version is relased i need to reinstall or the updates will do?
[18:52] <rmn> batti5, updates should do. some larger than others
[18:52] <Delvien> batti5 you can upgrade from an older version
[18:53] <Delvien> rmn any errors?
[18:53] <rmn> no errors
[18:53] <Delvien> rmn just sits there?
[18:53] <rmn> i just can't enter the passphrase
[18:53] <Delvien> ah
[18:53] <Delvien> i see
[18:53] <Delvien> Laptop ?
[18:53] <bsnider> rmn, try another keyboard
[18:53] <batti5> thats wath i did from hardy, but it never started again.
[18:53] <rmn> laptop.  and i have a special key-script that FIRST looks for a keyfile on usb.  bios says pendrive with no OS.  ubuntu says "failed retrieving keyfile"
[18:53] <td123> Delvien: as long as he doesn't think sfw mean sex for work
[18:54] <rmn> bsnider, i'll try. but what worries me is that it doesn't even see the usb keyfile
[18:54] <Delvien> td123,  lol, yeah but who is sick in the head like that
[18:54] <td123> Delvien: ya, statistics don't say anything
[18:54] <Delvien> td123 well thats why i added safe for work
[18:55] <td123> who cares if 3/4 men have visited a porn site in the past 24hours, they're just statistics right?
[18:55] <rmn> bsnider, assuming that an external keyboard works then what? how to get it to work again
[18:55] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  that work?
[18:55] <bsnider> rmn, i don't know
[18:55] <_Zeus_> td123: i don't believe that
[18:55] <linny> did you know that 85% of statistics are incorrect ?
[18:55] <bsnider> rmn,  i was suggesting that you have a broken keyboard
[18:55] <Delvien> td123 i dont even know what you are talking about right now...
[18:56] <td123> linny: 85% of them are incorrect, 50% of the time
[18:56] <rmn> bsnider, keyboard works fine.  i chose "last successful boot" and everything works as expected
[18:56] <Delvien> bsnider i think he has a script on a usb that makes him log in, almost like a key to a car
[18:56] <linny> td123: lmao
[18:56] <rmn> bsnider, it broke after i did the updates accumulated over the past two days
[18:56] <batti5> also the sound is going best in interpred, fast start, cool looks, the res is the only problem, it runs 10x better then the first beta of winvista
[18:57] <td123> Delvien: me neither, your sfw explanation got me thinking though :P
[18:57] <bsnider> rmn, when did you finish installing htem?
[18:57] <rmn> 2 min ago
[18:57] <Delvien> batti5 my grandma runs better than vista beta1
[18:57] <linny> Delvien: hahaha
[18:57] <rmn> say 5 to account for boot-attempts
[18:57] <_Zeus_> she probably runs better than Vista SP1 :P
[18:57] <Delvien> td123 Maybe you are one of those statics :P
[18:57] <Delvien> prolly
[18:57] <td123> Delvien: na
[18:58]  * Delvien thinks spelling was made by the debil
[18:58] <pen> I want to upgrade, what is the best way to backup my partition
[18:58] <Delvien> CPrgmSwR2,  Do you have the Jamendo plugin/script running with amarok>
[18:58] <bsnider> rmn, is that an extra boot parameter on hte kernel or something? i don't know how th keyfile works
[18:58] <td123> pen, just copy all the custom files you have..
[18:58] <Delvien> pen there are several backup utilities, google is your friend for this
[18:59] <batti5> the only problem is i cant change the video card because i dont have a agp, on my compaq deskpro ed slim
[18:59] <_Zeus_> echo $Delvien-3 | sed s/debil/devil/
[18:59] <Delvien> lol
[18:59] <Delvien> nice _Zeus_
[18:59] <pen> Delvien, but there are too many, I just want a working one. dd is too much a hassle I remembered it's weird
[18:59] <td123> pen, the best backup is not to rely on backups but rather copies of some files..
[18:59] <rmn> bsnider, in GRUB i chose "use the last successful boot".  the keyfile-stuff works by an additional script in crypttab and init.  the script works, but i can't type anything to it
[18:59] <_Zeus_> Delvien: ty :P
[18:59] <pen> td123, what do you mean?
[18:59] <batti5> are thare pci vid cards?
[18:59] <pen> td123, they mean the same aren't they?
[18:59] <Delvien> batti5 yes,
[18:59] <rmn> bsnider, normally i get asterixes when i type the password, now i get none
[19:00] <Delvien> batti5 before agp was mainstream, then pci-e x16
[19:00] <batti5> can you recommand one?
[19:00] <Delvien> rmn running a custom GDM?
[19:00] <td123> pen: for instance, I have a backup of my music folder, some work, some code, and books. That's it.
[19:00] <DreadKnight> anyone managed to upgrade from hardy kde4 mix to intrepid?
[19:00] <bsnider> rmn, if you hit the caps lock key does the light come on? i mean is the keyboard getting power?
[19:00] <Delvien> batti5 no, sorry.
[19:00] <_Zeus_> Delvien: I also could've done !-7
[19:00] <ali1234> batti5: nvidia vanta series cards are pretty goo
[19:00] <td123> pen: iow, I just have a copy of those files on my ipod
[19:00] <Delvien> :p
[19:01] <ali1234> batti5: i had to put one in a computer the other day because the pci-e card blew up and it was the only other none agp card i had
[19:01] <rmn> Delvien, no.  everything is regular.  used alternate cd for install, and installed an extra keyscript
[19:01] <Delvien> pen http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/backup
[19:01] <td123> pen: you shouldn't need to backup your os, unless you seriously have a customized os, like gentoo...
[19:01] <rmn> bsnider, i am on the same machine now, albeit in safe-graphics-mode due to the new kernel modules being incompatible with the old (working) kernel
[19:01] <Delvien> rmn hmm, weird, not sure, sorry man
[19:02] <rmn> Delvien, ok. i'll make a post on the forum.
[19:02] <Codemaster|Mobil> EitheL: somewhat working now :)
[19:02] <Delvien> pen rsync command should do the trick, but you have to find the files you want to back up and it will do the rest if you type the paths
[19:02] <Codemaster|Mobil> got gnome-panel back, but now my minimize/maximize/exit buttons are a bit awkward and my desktop backgrounds aren't being displayed
[19:03] <bsnider> rmn, which modules?
[19:03] <rmn> bsnider, nvidia 177, i suppose
[19:03] <Delvien> pen just take a look at that article, it has some nice instructions/suggestions
[19:03] <rmn> bsnider, but that's not the issue
[19:03] <bsnider> rmn, that should be rebuilt automatically by dkms
[19:03] <rmn> bsnider, the issue is that the boot is broken with the latest kernel
[19:03] <rmn> bsnider, i'm on the old kernel because the new is broken
[19:03] <pen> Delvien, ok
[19:03] <bsnider> rmn, the new kernel is not broken
[19:03] <bsnider> i am running it no problem
[19:04] <bsnider> i think your upgrade got borked somehow
[19:04] <rmn> bsnider, well, the pre boot authentication part of it is
[19:04] <Codemaster|Mobil> i am running on the newest kernel, as well, with only minor issues that are presumably unrelated :)
[19:04] <rmn> bsnider, i'm using crypt-fs (luks)  (alternate install-cd).
[19:04] <bsnider> the factt hat dkms didnb't rebuild the nvidia module is another indication of that
[19:04] <DreadKnight> anyone with an Intel GMA 950 under intrepid btw?
[19:04] <_Zeus_> no
[19:04] <rmn> bsnider, i'd like to continue this after dinner.  /msg in the meantime
[19:04] <_Zeus_> i have one under hardy
[19:05] <Codemaster|Mobil> hm
[19:05] <Codemaster|Mobil> i wonder what can fix these issues with my wallpaper and min/max/exit icons
[19:05] <|neon|> just did and upgrade and now after rebboting i see the login screen but the keyboard does not work or the mouse any ideas?
[19:05] <Zvezdichko> How do you use Intrepid Ibex? Do you install it on a separate drive or replace the current version
[19:05] <bsnider> there were very, very few changes fromthe last kernel to this one. basically linus just wanted it to sit for a few days to test the e1000e thing
[19:05] <igormorgado> rafkid: yes
[19:05] <DreadKnight> _Zeus_: oh... curious if there are any issues regarding xorg server under intrepid xD
[19:06] <FrankT-Qc> Zvezdichko: sudo update-manager -d
[19:06] <_Zeus_> DreadKnight: sorry, don't know
[19:06] <Zvezdichko> FrankT-Qc: so you already use it on your home computer
[19:06] <FrankT-Qc> Anyone having "fuzzy" windows after returning from sleep/hibernate ?
[19:06] <_Zeus_> Zvezdichko: either one you want
[19:06] <_Zeus_> you can install it over the current version
[19:07] <FrankT-Qc> Zvezdichko: Yes, on a Laptop. All good except a few sound glitch and window decoration when comming back from sleep
[19:08] <Zvezdichko> hmm.. I'm going to test in on an Intel PC
[19:08] <Zvezdichko> and of course, I'll report
[19:08] <FrankT-Qc> As for now, it's doing pretty good on a centrino duo
[19:09] <TR_M> hi there. have a question about II and ATI-Graphics...
[19:09] <td123> has ubuntu updated their intel 945 video drivers?
[19:09] <FrankT-Qc> the only thing : there's this possibility of going dual head (virtual big screen...) kind a killed my X, had to boot in recovery and repare X back to normal.
[19:10] <rafkid> igormorgado: truly awesome - what an amazing coincidence tho - that u r a sensei - such fun
[19:10] <TR_M> i've read that fglrx won't work on 8.10, what alternatives are there?? ^^
[19:10] <FrankT-Qc> TR_M ATI : What's up ?
[19:11] <TR_M> i only know how to work with fglrx, thats my problem :-(
[19:11] <pwnguin> nautilus seems to just lock up on the desktop
[19:11] <FrankT-Qc> TR_M : I'm on an ATI Mobility radeon X1400 and everything's fine with the open source driver
[19:11] <pwnguin> is there a place i should look for error messages?
[19:11] <|neon|> just did and upgrade and now after rebboting i see the login screen but the keyboard does not work or the mouse any ideas?
[19:11] <pwnguin> i get no icons on the desktop =(
[19:11] <FrankT-Qc> TR_M : By the way, there is fglrx in the repository, except that it supports fewer cards than it used to
[19:12] <FrankT-Qc> pwnguin: in windows...
[19:13] <TR_M> hmm adept doesn't even find the fglrx...
[19:13] <antoranz> can anybody help me get my sound back? I haven't been able to hear a thing on intrepid
[19:13] <antoranz> 00:09.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP73 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[19:14] <bsnider> antoranz, install today's pulseaudio updates
[19:14] <antoranz> I didn't have it installed :-S
[19:15] <rski> anyone having gnome-appearance-properties in the repo?
[19:17] <rafkid> neon: from tty - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" worked for me after several pass's through the process
[19:17] <l337ingDisorder> anyone have experience customizing the ubuntu install cd?
[19:17] <linny> l337ingDisorder: you mean with somthing like remastersys ?
[19:17] <linny> ive used that ?
[19:18] <rafkid> |neon|: from tty - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" worked for me after several pass's through the process
[19:18] <l337ingDisorder> no remastersys just creates a copy of your installation so you can only really use it on machines with the same hardware configuration
[19:18] <l337ingDisorder> I mean customizing the ubuntu installer cd
[19:19] <Codemaster|Game> hm weird - seems that metacity has almsot no setings in gconf (under apps, metacity)
[19:19] <AkariChan> Anyone has experience mapping a logitech mouse that has horizontal tilt function to make it do something else (like backward, forward), how do i go about mapping it in xorg.conf?
[19:19] <Codemaster|Game> what do you think would fix that? reinstalling metacity from apt?
[19:19] <l337ingDisorder> there's only one entry in all of the ubuntu forums dealing with the issue I'm having and it just got moved to the archives supposedly being "solved" but the solution listed doesn't fix the problem for me
[19:19] <linny> i belive remastersys does have an option to create a distributable copy
[19:20] <bsnider> AkariChan, you don't. xorg.conf is not used for that purpose anymore
[19:20] <AkariChan> ah
[19:20] <linny> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_remastering_software
[19:20] <l337ingDisorder> yeah I spent 2 days trying to get that working on a VM and then found tucked away in the back of some support forum that the "dist" option that creates a distributable basically just strips out the home dir
[19:20] <AkariChan> what shall I do then, if you have any idea where i should start looking
[19:20] <l337ingDisorder> so it's redistributable in that it doesn't have your personal home dir.. but it still won't work on a different hardware config
[19:21] <bsnider> there are numerous threads int he intrepid forums about that kind of tweaking
[19:21] <pwnguin> anyone else have a problem where the desktop icons don't show up
[19:21] <pwnguin> ?
[19:21] <bsnider> pwnguin, if you icons aren't there it means nautilus isn't running
[19:21] <Codemaster|Game> no idea on the metacity issue?
[19:22] <bsnider> pwnguin, alt+F2 type nautilus and hit enter
[19:22] <pwnguin> i have a nautilus window up
[19:22] <pwnguin> the desktop one isnt showing =/
[19:22] <pwnguin> i suspect it's locked on something
[19:23] <bsnider> i'd killall nautilus and the start it again
[19:23] <FrankT-Qc> pwnguin: have you checked if there is a setting in Configuration Editor ???
[19:23] <pwnguin> bsnider: thats a temp fix that works, but id rather hunt down the root cause
[19:23] <_Zeus_> rhapsody rocks :D
[19:23] <bsnider> pwnguin, when did it start happening?
[19:23] <pwnguin> a few days ago
[19:24] <bsnider> destroy your nautilus confi info
[19:24] <pwnguin> is that in gconf?
[19:27] <pwnguin> hmm. removing .nautilis may have fixed it. i should probably test from a cold boot
[19:28] <DreadKnight> wireless issues fixed now in kubuntu?
[19:31] <sorush20> HI
[19:31] <sorush20> I keep gettting errors like this for some packages.
[19:31] <sorush20> W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/libkonq5-templates_4.1.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[19:31] <sorush20>   404 Not Found
[19:37] <sorush20> I need to sort out my repostitories.. can some one take and look and tell me what could be wrong?
[19:39] <AstralJava> sorush20: You have updated the apt database? If so, then try using the official repo, not the mirror. Mirrors can be out of sync at times.
[19:41] <lovinglinux> Hi everyone. I just upgraded (fresh install) to Intrepid and it doesn't recognize my slave drive. Any idea how to solve this?
[19:43] <tsuru> lovinglinux: when you say recognize, do you mean mount?
[19:43] <tsuru> lovinglinux: is it no where in 'sudo fdisk -l'
[19:43] <zniavre> (20:18:15) rafkid: |neon|: from tty - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" worked for me after several pass's through the process >you told him same of me    :o)
[19:44] <zniavre> but i just reinstalled xserver-xorg-input-evdev / kbd and it work well now
[19:44] <lovinglinux> tsuru: yesw, the drive is not mounted
[19:47] <Codemaster|Game> hm
[19:47] <Codemaster|Game> i just reinstalled metacity and nothing is in gconf
[19:48] <Codemaster|Game> maybe i have to restart x
[19:48] <tsuru> lovinglinux: are you also saying that Places > Removable media doesn't have it?
[19:49] <lovinglinux> tsuru: my mistake. During install I have mounted it in the wrong path.../home/mydrive instead of /home/me/mydrive How do I fix this?
[19:49] <lovinglinux> tsuru: it is working now, but in the wrong mount point.
[19:50] <tsuru> lovinglinux: try looking in /etc/fstab and see if you can fix it there
[19:51] <lovinglinux> tsuru: thanks I have found a tutorial in the site documentation. I try...brb
[19:52] <tsuru> man this new login sound makes me feel like I'm playing Rise of Nations
[19:53] <sorush20> AstralJava: I think that was the problem the uk repository is out of sync
[19:53] <VSpike> Hi folks - I have an existing install with software raid and LVM.  Can I install to a blank LV with the live CD or do I need to use the alternate?
[19:55] <skybinary> hello :D
[19:56] <skybinary> i installed intrepid, on top of a b-e-u-tiful fresh install of 8.04 altho my nvidia is twitching after this upgrade
[19:57] <sorush20> I'm getting this error E: postgresql-8.3: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 E: postgresql: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured E: tor: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 E: tor-geoipdb: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[19:57] <aoupi> hi, my sound card is not detected, I'm not sure what sound card I have, but this is what lspci -v says: http://pastebin.com/f3cda0e8f
[19:57] <aoupi> it says nothing about audio, I've loaded the snd-hda-intel driver but that didn't do anything
[20:00] <tsuru> aoupi: looking up what kind of sound card you have would probably be the next best step
[20:00] <tsuru> aoupi: has it worked with linux before?
[20:00] <aoupi> tsuru: yea, but I think it is an onboard one, it is a laptop
[20:00] <aoupi> tsuru: I got sound once when I first logged in after installing 8.04, but it didn't work there either after that :)
[20:00] <ndube> The installer does not see and of my HD if I have more than one plugged in. If I have only one HD plugged in, the installer see's it fine. Any Ideas?
[20:02] <ndube> anyone?
[20:02] <skybinary> umm
[20:02] <skybinary> dont panic!
[20:02] <tsuru> aoupi: looks like it's probably part of the ICH9 chipset
[20:02] <sorush20> ndube: so
[20:03] <aoupi> tsuru: yea, but I've found others lspci output and that shows audio, but this doesn't
[20:03] <tsuru> aoupi: and there is also word the repos are a litte on the fritz... you might want to try updating again
[20:03] <tsuru> aoupi: at least I had some repo weirdness a little while ago
[20:04] <sorush20> is it ide sata, what chip is it if stat or ide. What mother board is it. can you see them in bios. are the jumpers setup correctly. Have you checked the cables. Have tried another sata or ide port. Is your installation media good?
[20:04] <aoupi> tsuru: changed server and now I got tons of new stuff :)
[20:05] <ndube> soruch20: so?
[20:05] <Zvezdichko> Upgrade complete!
[20:05] <Zvezdichko> Now... the restarting
[20:06] <Zvezdichko> this is when I'm scared :)
[20:06] <debfx> which team should I subscribe to a bug to get a patch into the intrepid kernel? ubuntu-release?
[20:06] <tsuru> Zvezdichko: did you double-check your grub menu.lst
[20:06] <tsuru> ?
[20:06] <tsuru> :D
[20:07] <_Zeus_> debfx: i think it's too late.  you could try...
[20:07] <Zvezdichko>  hmmm, no, why?
[20:07] <tsuru> got me once
[20:07] <Zvezdichko> rebooting
[20:08] <ndube> The installer does not see any of my HD if I have more than one plugged in. If I have only one HD plugged in, the installer see's it fine. Any Ideas?
[20:08] <antoranz> ok... so I just installed pulseaudio
[20:08] <antoranz> how do I get it to work?
[20:09] <antoranz> (by the way.... I'm on kubuntu)
[20:10] <VSpike> Anyone know can I can enable software raid in the live CD so I can see my disks?
[20:10] <Codemaster|Mobil> oh boy :(
[20:10] <Codemaster|Mobil> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly A package failed to install.  Trying to recover: dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[20:10] <ndube> vspike: let me guess, you are getting the red screen of death also?
[20:10] <VSpike> ndube: no! at least, not yet :)
[20:11] <VSpike> ndube: from the sound of it, I don't want to either
[20:11] <ndube> vspike: so, does the installer not see anything?
[20:11] <VSpike> ndube: haven't run the installer yet, just fired up the live CD.  It can see the drives, but I have no /dev/md0 or anything
[20:12] <VSpike> ndube: I tried modprobing md-mod (I think it's the right module) and installing mdadm and running an mdadm --auto-detect
[20:12] <_Zeus_> VSpike: what are you looking for?  md0?
[20:13] <VSpike> _Zeus_: yeah
[20:15] <_Zeus_> VSpike: yeah what?
[20:15] <tsuru> yeah he's looking for md0
[20:15] <_Zeus_> what is md0?
[20:16] <_Zeus_> (just curious)
[20:16] <VSpike> _Zeus_: RAID device
[20:16] <_Zeus_> oh
[20:17] <_Zeus_> ty
[20:17]  * _Zeus_ catalogs that for future reference...
[20:17] <Zvezdichko> Hmmm... Ubuntu upgraded successfully, nice looking KDE desktop, no hardware issues
[20:17] <_Zeus_> b1?
[20:20] <ndube> I suppose no one knows why I can't see my HD?
[20:20] <Codemaster|Game> ndube: check fstab?
[20:21] <ndube> i am in the installer on the alternate cd
[20:21] <ndube> no fstab
[20:21] <VSpike> ndube: what does "sudo fdisk -l" show you?
[20:21] <VSpike> ndube: ah
[20:21] <l337ingDisorder> anyone know how to make a custom install cd that omits certain packages?
[20:22] <ndube> this is happening on more than one system so I am inclined to say it is something wrong with the alt cd
[20:22] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hello -- since this morning all my network devices have gone awol
[20:22] <ndube> but i am unsure
[20:22] <Redhammer_the_Ol> anybody else have that and fixit
[20:22] <Redhammer_the_Ol> all gone, wired and wireless
[20:22] <l337ingDisorder> Redhammer_the_Ol: check your hardware drivers?
[20:23] <VSpike> ndube: I'll probably have to download the alternate install CD, so I'll soon find out
[20:23] <ndube> vspike; k
[20:23] <VSpike> aha -- i have raid devices!  sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sdb1
[20:23] <VSpike> Then it finds them
[20:24] <andry> hmm.. just updated. touchpad doesn't work anymore on thinkpad T400
[20:25] <rafkid> zniavre: it did work though - why the derision? am confused - i got tha t tip here and it just worked really well - explain my n00bishenss?
[20:25] <andry> and laptop can not reboot
[20:28] <DoYouKnow> has there been an improvement in the drivers for ati radeon xpress 200m and the other mesa stuff for r300 between the beta and now?
[20:28] <DoYouKnow> because I had some trouble with flickering screens while doing 3d stuff
[20:28] <DoYouKnow> I'm upgrading as we speak
[20:28] <DoYouKnow> to the latest builds, so I'll file a bug if there's still a problem
[20:29] <DoYouKnow> I had some trouble with flickering and after closing a window (such as glxgears), it leaving a residue on the screen
[20:36] <andry> do you guys have touchpad working after last upgrade?
[20:36] <andry> my thinkpad stopped responding on touchpad
[20:37] <andry> should I file a bug?
[20:40] <Zvezdichko> I noticed several nasty bugs and I'm ready to describe them
[20:40] <Zvezdichko> anybody noticed that KDE is very slow?
[20:40] <Tm_T> Zvezdichko: KDE 4 and nVidia?
[20:40] <w8tah> can someone tell me how, in kde4, to make the mouse wheel change the desktop?
[20:41] <Zvezdichko> Tm_T - No, KDE and Intel - 946 GZ
[20:41] <Zvezdichko> I'll describe this in the bug report...
[20:41] <Tm_T> Zvezdichko: KDE3 or KDE4 ?
[20:42] <frybye> w8tah: install compiz-fusion with synaptic - and compiz-icon also perhaps..
[20:42] <w8tah> ok - cool - -compiz icon or fusion icon?
[20:42] <w8tah> (under kde3 it was fusion icon)
[20:43] <frybye> both - and the ccsm config appl - and then starting that with the icon you need to do some config...
[20:43] <frybye> you can probably find a good detailed info with google - " install compiz fusion ubuntu " should find it...
[20:43] <w8tah> isnt compiz dead and its now beryl?
[20:44] <Tm_T> no, beryl is dead and it's now compiz fusion
[20:44] <Zvezdichko> I'm sorry, my KDE crashed
[20:44] <Zvezdichko> it was KDE 4
[20:44] <w8tah> ok
[20:44] <frybye> w8tah: I am no real expert- just a somewhat busy newbie...
[20:44] <Zvezdichko> temporary switched to GNOME
[20:45] <frybye> if smbdy else whats to jump in with more detailed stuff or a good url for this...?
[20:45] <Zvezdichko> There are several others bugs I encountered - Kopete fails to start under KDE 4.1, but strangely, it works in GNOME
[20:45] <Zvezdichko> I probably need some more testing before sending the bug report
[20:46] <Zvezdichko> my first question in - how can I disable the Kwin special effects which are turned on?
[20:47] <frybye> btw - since the latest updates the bbc-plugin for totem movie-player seems to be working - extras|install plugins| bbc plugin.. for us british expats a rea boon.. it didnt work up til lattest updates..
[20:47] <Halabund> Hello!
[20:47] <Halabund> I just tried the Ubuntu 8.10 live CD.  As I click the little network icon in the upper right corner, I see an entry: Configure VPN. But in the window it brings up, all the buttons are disables (on the VPN tab).  Is this feature still unimplemented?
[20:47] <frybye> and of course for anglophiles of all flavours...
[20:48] <frybye> Halabund: probably have to install some additional packages or...?
[20:48] <w8tah> frybye: whats the ccsm package name -- do you happen to remember?
[20:48] <danbh_intrepid> Halabund: its because you have entries in your /etc/network/interfaces            just delete all the entries, EXCEPT THE FIRST TWO, which relate to lo
[20:48] <frybye> eh .. hang on...
[20:49] <danbh_intrepid> Halabund: here is mine for reference http://pastebin.com/f2b252216
[20:50] <frybye> w8tah: I have in total under copiz in synaptic the following...
[20:50] <Halabund> danbh_intrepid: It only has two lines, the same as your example.  I did not make any changes, in fact the first thing I did after booting from the live CD was see how a VPN could be set up
[20:52] <danbh_intrepid> Halabund: hmmm, does your network work at all?
[20:52] <antoranz> so.. no one can help me get my sound back on kubuntu?
[20:52] <Halabund> danbh_intrepid: I'm talking to you right now, so yes :)
[20:52] <Halabund> danbh_intrepid: I'd just like to set up a VPN
[20:53] <Halabund> If I don't, I have to keep the browser open and type the password every 10 minutes or so to keep connected ...   Im sorry.  The VPN stuff is accessible on my system, but I've never tried it.  I don't think I can help ya
[20:54] <w8tah> thanks ton!
[20:54] <Halabund> I booted from the beta live CD, clicked the network icon on the tray (or whatever it is called in gnome), and chose Configure VPN.  But all buttons are disabled (there's an Add button, but it's disabled)
[20:54] <frybye> i have an updated intrepid-b - thats what the list is based on...
[20:55] <Halabund> danbh_intrepid: OK, I'm just playing with the live CD, so it's no big deal :)
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Halabund: You need to install a VPN package like "network-manager-openvpn"
[20:56] <frybye> w8tah: be carefully of a couple of apparent typpos - in that list.. in fact i have a wireless keyboard and blame typpos on me being too far from the pc heheh
[20:56] <kavon> hello, if i were to use the ubuntu or kubuntu 8.10 beta, is there any risk of my intel ethernet port being corrupted?
[20:57] <frybye> kavon - probably not  - garanties next door... heheh
[20:57] <danbh_intrepid> kavon: if you get the current version, its been fixed.  Im not sure what the state was with the actual beta release
[20:57] <w8tah> frybye: no problem -- i have it working.. beautifully
[20:58] <frybye> w8tah: cool...
[20:58] <kavon> w8tah: so you're using it and they did officially disable the driver?
[20:58] <frybye> i just upgraded my cpu here and now the box is also b e a u t i f u l l .. heheh
[20:58] <w8tah> kavon: just had to install it
[20:59] <kavon> w8tah: just had to install what
[21:00] <w8tah> compiz etc
[21:01] <kavon> A problem that could result in corruption of the firmware on Intel GigE ethernet hardware has led to the disabling of the e1000e driver in the Linux kernel included in Ubuntu 8.10 Beta.
[21:01] <Halabund> Jordan_U: I couldn't find that package, and when tried to "tick" in all repositories, I got a download error after reloading the package information.  I guess I'll come back when 8.10 goes final.
[21:01] <kavon> i got my confirmation, i don't use ethernet so i'm good to test it
[21:02] <w8tah> kavon -- im talking about compiz setting manager - -which has nothing to do with with the e1000 driver
[21:02] <danbh_intrepid> kavon: there you go.  If you then update, the driver will be re-enabled, because a fix was released
[21:02] <kavon> danbh_intrepid: nvm i can't test kubuntu 8.10 beta: NetworkManager 0.7 as included in Ubuntu 8.10 Beta is not compatible with static network configuration
[21:02] <Codemaster|Mobil> hm, okay
[21:03] <Codemaster|Mobil> so i was able to get metacity fixed
[21:03] <Jordan_U> Halabund: You should  be able to enable universe and install it, are you connected to the internet?
[21:03] <Codemaster|Mobil> however, i still am unable to have a wallpaper, for some odd reason
[21:03] <Codemaster|Mobil> if i set a wallpaper, it simply sets itself to the background color
[21:04] <Halabund> Jordan_U: Yes, I am chatting from the same machine
[21:05] <Halabund> Jordan_U: But Synaptic says: "Could not download all repository indexes"
[21:05] <Jordan_U> Halabund: odd
[21:09] <Halabund_> Does that "-" sign have a special meaning in the search box, or is this a bug?
[21:14]  * Codemaster|Mobil grumbles
[21:16] <ilembitov> Hi, all. Does anybody know, will OpenOffice 3 make its way to 8.10?
[21:16] <andriijas> anyone else experiencing mouse troubles after last days updates?
[21:17] <bsnider> ac3/dts passthrough on totem-xine works for the first time since i've been using it
[21:19] <bsnider> i now have no more audio complaints on ubuntu, except for the fact that pulse is 3 milestones out of date
[21:20] <ter> hi, some trepidation about installing intrepid - do upgrades after Oct30 catch up with the normal upgrade process?
[21:20] <void^> yes
[21:21] <void^> !upgrade
[21:21] <tsuru> andriijas: check to make sure xserver-xorg-input-evdev is installed...I lost my keyboard and mouse earlier today. reinstalling that helped
[21:21] <Halabund> So is it a bug that when typing "vim" in Synaptic's Quick Search box, vim-gnome comes up, but when typing "vim-gnome", it doesn't?  Or am I missing something?
[21:22] <andriijas> tsuru: thx
[21:22] <andriijas> helped
[21:26] <Zvezdichko> !bugs
[21:27] <Zvezdichko> !xorg-bugs
[21:28] <bytor4232> When should I run the Intrepid updates to test to see if evdev is installed for those of us not using it?
[21:28] <bytor4232> I'm sure upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid will have evdev installed, I just have three machines that are in a pre-evdev state that I can test tonight.
[21:29] <Halabund> A question: How does one make this awful "The media contains software" bar go away in the file manager?  (This storage device has an autorun.inf file.  I understand this, but I do not want to run any software at the moment so I do not need that bar there all the time while I'm browsing the files.)
[21:32] <ter> Thx. Read UpgradeNotes. For a install to new machine, think beta->final release is better than heron->ibex?
[21:33] <bytor4232> ter: Plus, you don't have to wait two weeks to upgrade.  Once ibex drops the servers will be flooded for at least a week.  It was with heron.
[21:34] <tsuru> yikes I didn't know that... that is a little yuck
[21:34] <ter> OK, here I go intrepid.
[21:35] <bytor4232> I had an issue with the updates this morning, that was just because I updated at a bad time.  The repos should be fine right now.
[21:35] <bytor4232> the infamous evdev thing they switched to.
[21:35] <tsuru> is what they 'switch to' explained anywhere?
[21:36] <tsuru> or was it just a  snafu?
[21:36] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[21:37] <bytor4232> tsuru: I don't know.  Eventually I was able to install evdev, but only after a package dependency problem was worked out.
[21:38] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: Does startupmanager come with ubuntu-desktop?
[21:38] <Codemaster|Mobil> so yeah, any idea with the "missing wallpaper" deal? I set my wallpaper, yet it doesn't display... another issue is that i go into applications (or places or system) and no icons appear
[21:38] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: I'm technically a Xubuntu user, though I help out in the *buntu* channels.
[21:39] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: oh, change that command to: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^
[21:39] <Zvezdichko> I hate firing global X bugsd
[21:39] <Zvezdichko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/281442
[21:40] <tsuru> Codemaster|Mobil: when did you last update?
[21:40] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: I did.  Should I rerun it after upgrading my other boxes?  I want to help out and make sure evdev gets installed by default when our intrepid beta people go to upgrade.
[21:41] <Codemaster|Mobil> tsuru: today
[21:41] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: intrepid beta people?
[21:42] <Daemonik> Is there any way to print an .odt without using X?
[21:42] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: the update this morning concerning evdev would've broken your system if you did a dist-upgrade, or did a partial upgrade with the update manager
[21:42] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: I know, my lappy was down for a while during work hours.  It was a little frustrating.
[21:43] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: Has that been worked out?  Are any other dist-upgraders going to experience that?
[21:43] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: that command will reinstall xubuntu-desktop, and all the defaults.  If you are running the defaults already, it wont change anything
[21:43] <Codemaster|Mobil> tsuru: why, any idea what might be wrong
[21:44] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: yes.  others advised me to use just regular upgrades in the future, that would've avoided the problem.  Only use the dist-upgrade when you need to
[21:44] <Codemaster|Mobil> hm, i think it might be compiz related.
[21:45] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: I was using the update-manager.
[21:45]  * Codemaster|Mobil restarts X and is going to try to remove compiz and see if that fixes it....
[21:45] <Dada_> Hi there!  Anyone know if a community port for 8.10 has been made or will be made?
[21:45] <Dada_> er
[21:45] <Omoikane_> I just did a partial update of Ibex and now my Flash video has stopped working.
[21:45] <Dada_> community port for PPC
[21:46] <MTecknology> I have a support question about an app - and useing 8.10 - ask here or no?
[21:46] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: The update-manager did the dist-upgrade or the partial upgrade.
[21:46] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: then it wouldve asked if you wanted to do a "partial upgrade"     same as dist-upgrade
[21:46] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: So beta testers should not use dist-upgrade/partial upgrade?
[21:46] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: I just clicked on the icon in my panel and told it to go to town.
[21:47] <markit> hi, any tips about upgrading from 8.04+kde4 to 8.10+kde4 without loosing kde4 settings??
[21:47] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: well, you need to understand why it broke
[21:47] <Omoikane_> How should I go about getting my flash video back?
[21:48] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: there was an upgrade of several packages, all depending on each other, and they hit the repos at different times
[21:48] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: thus, when the first few hit, it breaks the system.   I don't really know what you _should_ do, except just accept the situation, and repair when things break.  I really don't know
[21:49] <MTecknology> I used bluetooth-applet to pair my phone and computer. I know it works bacause I grabbed files off of it. Now I want to setup blueproximity but when I scan for devices, it doesn't see my phone.
[21:49] <tsuru> or maybe not upgrade as long as it says "partial upgrade"
[21:49] <bytor4232> tsuru: You know, thats probably a good idea.
[21:49] <Codemaster|Mobil> doesn't seem like the issue is compiz
[21:50] <bytor4232> tsuru: I've always had problems after "partial upgrades"
[21:50] <Codemaster|Mobil> my icons and wallpaper are still broken
[21:50] <AstralJava> Codemaster: I think I saw mentions of Murrine-Human theme causing issues earlier today. Might wanna look into that. There should be mentions of it in .xsession-errors
[21:50] <Zvezdichko> markit: mv .kde4/ .kde/
[21:51] <Zvezdichko> but KDE 4 is very unstable here
[21:51] <Codemaster|Mobil> AstralJava: okay, i'll look into that file
[21:51] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: you still need the partial upgrades when there is a new kernel.  Maybe just let those partial upgrades sit for a day or two, till you are sure you need it
[21:51] <Codemaster|Mobil> AstralJava: i did a ps aux | grep nautilus and it seems nautilus is running as "nautlius --no-desktop --browser"
[21:51] <Codemaster|Mobil> no-desktop, indeed, too...
[21:52] <markit> Zvezdichko: I'm using kde4 right now, but since 8.10 installs as kde, and I also have (past) kde3 configs, wondered what would have happend upgrading... did you tried?
[21:53] <markit> Zvezdichko: or as "unstable" you mean that kde4 was much more stable in 8.04?
[21:53] <Codemaster|Mobil> AstralJava: I checked my ~/.xession-errors anad there's no menton of human at all
[21:53] <AstralJava> Codemaster|Mobil: Sorry, can't help you there. Seems like there isn't exactly anything called Murrine-Human, but check the Murrine themes anyway.
[21:53] <Zvezdichko> markit: yeah, I tried. By unstable I mean... it crashes, freezes...
[21:53] <Zvezdichko> I fired a global bug, anyway, attaching as many files as possible
[21:53] <Zvezdichko> now I use GNOME
[21:53] <AstralJava> Codemaster|Mobil: No mention of "failed to load Human-Murrine" ?
[21:54] <Codemaster|Mobil> nope
[21:54] <AstralJava> Codemaster|Mobil: Okay, then it's a separate issue.  It worked well. But Intrepid Ibex is beta and it's not ready
[21:56] <Zvezdichko> if anybody is interested in what I encountered+files and logs= https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/281442
[21:56] <sven-tek> If i use the profile keyword, the file /etc/readahead/boot is not created. Can someone confirm this?
[21:57] <Codemaster|Mobil> hm
[21:57] <Codemaster|Mobil> so
[21:57] <Codemaster|Mobil> why would nautilus be running with --no-desktop
[21:57] <Omoikane__> I ran a partial update on Ibex and when I try to play a flash video in FF it tells me I need to install flash but it's installed... Any ideas?
[21:57] <danbh_intrepid> Omoikane__: ubuntu?
[21:57] <Omoikane__> Yes
[21:57] <markit> Jordan_U: lol :) I was referring to Incaza involvment, sorry in any case if I hurted someone with my rough opinion, anyway
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> Omoikane__: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[21:58] <Omoikane__> Danbh_intrepid with the ^?
[21:58]  * danbh_intrepid should become a bot that just repeats that over and over
[21:58] <markit> Zvezdichko: I'll have a look. Running live beta in my laptop (the one that has 8.04 + kde4) was without trouble
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> yes, with the ^
[21:58] <Zvezdichko> danbh_intrepid: Just configure your crontab :)
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[22:00] <Omoikane__> Danbh_intrepid Why does that fix it?
[22:00] <Omoikane__> Just wondering.
[22:00] <danbh_intrepid> did it do anything?
[22:01] <Omoikane__> Yes
[22:01] <Omoikane__> It fixed it.
[22:02] <danbh_intrepid> Omoikane__: well, its because sometimes the dist-upgrade will break your system
[22:03] <Omoikane__> Did that just reinstall the ubuntu desktop?
[22:03] <lfaraone> Hey, I am at one of the initial stages of the upgrade, and am told that I may have a worse graphical experience (fglrx is no longer present in intrepid, I have a AMD card). Is this replaced by anything?
[22:05] <Jordan_U> lfaraone: By the open source 'ati' driver which may or may not support hardware accelerated 3D with your card
[22:05] <lfaraone> Jordan_U: Ok, is there a list of working cards?
[22:06] <markit> anyone else upgraded from 8.04+KDE4 to 8.10+KDE4?
[22:06] <lfaraone> !ati
[22:06] <tsuru> lfaraone: the ati catalyst drivers don't support xserver 1.5 yet which is what intrepid is on...
[22:07] <Jordan_U> Such a smart bot, being channel aware and whatnot
[22:07] <Codemaster|Mobil> Jordan_U: lol
[22:08] <Codemaster|Mobil> the bot is quite helpful
[22:09] <lfaraone> Ok, this isn't my production machine, so WhyTheHellNot?
[22:09]  * lfaraone installs anyay.
[22:14] <penguin42> hmm the update today seems to have made my machine less happy than it was - gnome network manager says I don't have a network connection on this machine
[22:14] <Codemaster|Mobil> hm
[22:14] <Codemaster|Mobil> one possible culprint could be this error i am getting
[22:14] <Codemaster|Mobil> x-session-manager[20948]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-wm.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[22:28] <Omoikane__> How do I get the desktop look from all of the ibex screenshots?
[22:29] <Omoikane__> namely http://linuxiano.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/clear___intrepid_ibex_by_salane89.jpg
[22:30] <TuTUXG> Omoikane__, that's a mockup
[22:32] <sorush20> hi
[22:33] <Omoikane__> where do I download ubuntu themes?
[22:42] <Omoikane__> Yeah, I liked the translucent panes without the title bar etc...
[22:46] <mifritscher> hi
[22:46] <mifritscher> still have big problems with wacom
[22:47] <Do``> i've just upgraded to ubuntu intrepid and my keyboard is acting up real weird
[22:47] <mifritscher> without running wacdump it works only sometimes , aleways for a few seconds
[22:47] <Do``> the keyboard configurations dont seem to take affect
[22:47] <mifritscher> with it works always, but really choppy
[22:47] <Do``> delay, speed, cursor blinking, all stuck on default values, no matter how i set it
[22:47] <Do``> anyone experienced something like this?
[22:49] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: you sure you have the latest evdev? or whatever?
[22:49] <Do``> my intrepid is fully updated
[22:49] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: yeah, I filed a bug report about it awhile ago
[22:50] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: I can dig it up if you want to add your complaint :P
[22:50] <mickstephenson> After a recent update the cooling fan on my laptop has gone crazy. It has 5 second bursts of full force, followed by 1 second on slowing down completely, then full force again. It is seriously driving me crazy, I have a Dell M1330, anyone else experiencing this problem?
[22:51] <Do``> danbh_intrepid: if your bugreport is the same then no thanks :)
[22:51] <Do``> unless there's a workaround in the comments
[22:51] <Do``> another thing i noticed though
[22:51] <Do``> is that my special keys dont work
[22:51] <danbh_intrepid> I just complained that keys repeat to fast, and you cant change it
[22:52] <danbh_intrepid> *too fast
[22:52] <Do``> mine are too slow :)
[22:52] <Do``> and you cant change it ;p
[22:52] <Do``> does your special keys work btw?
[22:52] <Do``> i'm using a logitech internet pro keyboard, it has play, pause, mute, volume, favs, email buttons at the top
[22:52] <Do``> and in keyboard shortcuts they are set to control rhythmbox, and they worked fine through 7.04 7.10 8.04
[22:53] <Do``> but now only volume up and down work, nothing else
[22:53] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, they worked as well as they did before, which is about half of them work
[22:53] <Do``> even after resetting them one by one
[22:53] <Do``> i think i saw some thread suggesting that evince might be hijacking those buttons
[22:53] <Do``> but i dont have evince installed
[22:55] <Do``> can you confirm this?
[22:55] <danbh_intrepid> confirm what?
[22:56] <danbh_intrepid> I have evince installed
[22:56] <danbh_intrepid> bug 264196
[22:56] <Do``> would you care to remove it just to check?
[22:57] <Do``> if it fixes the special keys for you, maybe there's something to that suggestion
[22:59] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: well, I think its better to say that my special keys work.  Most of them do.  Only a few don't, and it was the same as in hardy
[22:59] <Do``> aah
[22:59] <Omoikane__> I saw a few screens of Ibex that had a theme that looked like panes of glass for windows. I was wondering if that can be done.
[22:59] <Do``> i was thinking that i should find the configuration of the keyboard shortcuts program
[22:59] <Do``> and i found out that it's launched by gnome-keyboard-properties
[23:00] <Do``> but i couldnt find the package that installs it
[23:00] <Do``> so i dont know where to look for the rest of the installed files
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: Sys > prefs > keyboard
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> *keyboard shortcuts
[23:00] <Do``> i know that
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: do you have that link?
[23:00] <Do``> i'm looking for the actual files
[23:01] <Do``> so i could delete the configuration file
[23:01] <Do``> maybe there are some leftovers from hardy
[23:01] <Do``> danbh_intrepid: https://launchpad.net/bugs/263779
[23:02] <danbh_intrepid> Do``: gnome-control-center: /usr/bin/gnome-keyboard-properties
[23:02] <Do``> just the 1 file?
[23:02] <Do``> where does it store the settings?
[23:02] <danbh_intrepid> thats the package
[23:03] <Do``> i dont have a gnome-keyboard-properties package installed according to synaptic
[23:03] <Do``> so no.
[23:07] <danbh_intrepid> er, the package is gnome-control-center
[23:08] <Do``> ah, cool
[23:09] <rmn> where can i find a changelog for ubuntu kernels?  2.6.27-6 introduced some problems that continue with -7 (can't boot with cryptodisk)
[23:10] <Pici> Launchpad will have them.
[23:10] <danbh_intrepid> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/
[23:10] <Pici> Or that.
[23:11] <rmn> excellent. i'll give it a look
[23:11] <bsnider> rmn, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/008342.html
[23:12] <rmn> bsnider, thanks.  but that's the -7?  -7 also has the problem, but it was introduced in -6.
[23:12] <bsnider> but every kernel after rc2 contains nothing but bugfixes and regression fixes
[23:13] <Chousuke> ... generally :)
[23:13] <Chousuke> stuff that can't break existing code may go in later too.
[23:14] <rmn> well, something broke.  and since changing the kernel during boot fixes it the culprit seems to be ...-6
[23:14] <bsnider> rmn, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/008062.html
[23:15] <rmn> bsnider, thank you very much.  looks like the one i ended up with after fiddling with your first url
[23:15] <bsnider> you're talking about the changes from rc9-now, that's not a lot.
[23:15] <bsnider> there wasn't even supposed to be an rc9, except for that e1000e thing
[23:18] <rmn> bsnider, with rc-9 you mean ...-5?  i do realise that the changes are small, but i have a hard time believing that it could be something else.  well, initrd, but it was rebuilt to no avail.
[23:20] <bsnider> no, -6 was rc9. -7, the one we're using now, is the final release
[23:22] <rmn> the change was from -5 to -6 so then it must be RC8...now
[23:23] <bsnider> it worked with rc8 but not with rc9 and the final, right?
[23:25] <rmn> correct
[23:25] <rmn> and it continues to work with manual selection of kernel, so it's not the surrounding stuff that is broken
[23:26] <bsnider> why don't you try setting it up again from scratch as if you hadn't set it up before?
[23:26] <rmn> by that you mean full reinstall?
[23:26] <bsnider> no, just the feature you're having trouble with
[23:26] <rmn> well - the feature i'm having trouble with requires full install
[23:27] <rmn> the hard drive is encrypted, every part of the filesystem except /boot.  this is officially supported through the alternate disk.
[23:27] <rmn> problem is that i can't authenticate, and hence it can't commence boot
[23:28] <rmn> i would very much like to keep my present setup, if at all possible
[23:29] <bsnider> rmn, did it work with an older kernel? were you able to upgrade kernels without any trouble?
[23:29] <bsnider> or did you set the whole thing up on the rc88 kernel?
[23:29] <Do``> danbh_intrepid: reinstalling that package kinda fixed the repeat speed and stuff, not the best but now i can see it changing as i change the settings
[23:29] <rmn> bsnider, yes, i believe i updated from -4 to -5 ok
[23:29] <Do``> danbh_intrepid: special keys still dont get to rhythmbox though :/
[23:29] <rmn> bsnider, it is this very machine. if i force -5 it works as it used to
[23:30] <rmn> bsnider, actually, i installed the pre-beta.  and it has worked since then.
[23:30] <bsnider> are you worried about physical security or something?
[23:30] <ionstorm> the new updates screwed my system up
[23:31] <ionstorm> well not screwed
[23:31] <rmn> bsnider, i am concerned about my personal information, as well as that i possess for others, e.g. my employer.  i find it somewhat narrowminded not to encrypt the hdd when it is possible, and usually works without a hitch
[23:31] <ionstorm> I just cant boot, nvidia wont work
[23:31] <ionstorm> kernel panic with zd1211 card in
[23:31] <rmn> bsnider, i've run a debian etch server with the same setup for over half a year where i have had no problems upgrading kernels
[23:31] <penguin42> rmn: luks seems to be OK for a single partition on -6 at the moment; I don't do whole disc though
[23:31] <rmn> penguin42, it appears to be usb-related during initrd?
[23:32] <penguin42> yeuch
[23:32] <penguin42> debugging initrd is horrid
[23:34] <bsnider> rmn, i forgot if you'd said that the keyboard is getting power at the login screen?
[23:41] <gaminggeek> -sigh- tablets are never going to work just out of the box are they?
[23:41] <penguin42> is it the spinishness or the touchscreenishness that doesn't work out of interest?
[23:42] <gaminggeek> with tablets?
[23:42] <penguin42> nod
[23:42] <gaminggeek> I mean wacom tablets
[23:42] <penguin42> oh
[23:42] <penguin42> I thought you meant tablet pc stuff
[23:42] <bsnider> wacom tablets work fine
[23:43] <gaminggeek> bsnider: no they dont...
[23:43] <bsnider> make sure it's plugged in before you boot
[23:43] <gaminggeek> oh right
[23:43] <bsnider> it isn't hot-pluggable
[23:43] <gaminggeek> well thats anoying,,,,
[23:43] <bsnider> well, there's always winblows
[23:43] <gaminggeek> why is it not hot-pluggable?
[23:44] <rmn> i lost connection at :31.  penguin42, bsnider, did you reply to anything after that?
[23:44] <bsnider> gaminggeek, let me astonish you with this answer...
[23:44] <bsnider> because
[23:44] <bsnider> that's why
[23:45] <penguin42> rmn: I didn't but I think it was bsnider who asked if your USB had power
[23:45] <bsnider> rmn, i forgot if you'd said that the keyboard is getting power at the login screen?
[23:45] <gaminggeek> well arn't you clever, your mother must be proud
[23:46] <rmn> bsnider, penguin42 it's the same keyboard I use in grub.
[23:46] <penguin42> rmn: What other USB stuff do you have plugged in?
[23:46] <rmn> so if it's power-related the latest kernels actively disable it
[23:46] <rmn> nothing apart from the keyfile usb
[23:46] <rmn> the usb pendrive gets seen by bios
[23:46] <bsnider> rmn, what i mean is, if it isn't getting power, the module isn;t there and maybe you could add the keyboard module to the list that should be automatically loaded
[23:47] <rmn> bsnider, plausible.  i should be able to see that by a diff if i can get both lists.  where can i find them?
[23:48] <bsnider> rmn, lists of what? loaded modules?
[23:48] <rmn> bsnider, list of modules to be loaded by initrd
[23:48] <rmn> bsnider, i have a list that loads fat-etc, but that's a for-all-kernels-list
[23:48] <bsnider> rmn /etc/modules
[23:48] <compilerwriter> Any patches to Ibex been put out while  I slept the last six hours?
[23:49] <bsnider> compilerwriter, many
[23:49] <rmn> bsnider, that's also a for-all-kernels-list
[23:49] <rmn> bsnider, so if that was the case i wouldn't be able to boot with -5 like i am just now
[23:50] <bsnider> rmn, but if it's a kernel problem you can force the keyboard driver to load and get it working that way. it's a workaround, but it might work
[23:50] <compilerwriter> bsnider do you think any of them will fix startx for me? and how should I go about getting them from a console only login state.
[23:50] <rmn> bsnider, i'd like to give it a try.
[23:50] <bsnider> compilerwriter, what exactly is the issue?
[23:51] <rmn> bsnider, i might need to be handled for a bit, if you can bare with me
[23:51] <bsnider> rmn, i'm not sure what the damned keyboard module is called. hold on whilst i look for it
[23:51] <compilerwriter> bsnider the issue is kdm is running and tries to log me in, but startx craps out
[23:51] <penguin42> would it be hid or something?
[23:53]  * compilerwriter is thankful that at least I have a console working.  I would be pulling out what is left of my hair if I couldn't even manage a console login.
[23:53]  * compilerwriter can't remember a beta that went this badly
[23:54] <penguin42> (is anyone else seeing network manager saying they don't have a connection?)
[23:55] <compilerwriter> penguin42 I  would be happy to see a network manager that I didn't have a connection.  I would at least have xwindows at that rate.
[23:55] <compilerwriter> zniavre!
[23:55] <compilerwriter> zniavre are your problems being worked out?
[23:56] <penguin42> compilerwriter: Ah
[23:56] <penguin42> compilerwriter: What's your video hardware?
[23:56] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: ubuntu?
[23:56] <compilerwriter> nvidia penguin42
[23:56] <zniavre> compilerwriter:  yes
[23:56] <compilerwriter> kubuntu danbh_intrepid
[23:57] <jianfei> another 67mb of intrepid updates
[23:58] <compilerwriter> wow that 67mb might have what I need in it.
[23:58] <compilerwriter> someone tell me the command to go get them from the console
[23:58] <compilerwriter> I haven't managed to remember how to work this way very well.
[23:58] <compilerwriter> !mutt
[23:58] <jianfei> compiler: its compiz and xserver updates
[23:58] <iamrafkid> danbh_intrepid: thank you for earlier - you rescued the day
[23:58] <compilerwriter> jianfei I need xserver stuff.
[23:59] <compilerwriter> I am excited.
[23:59] <compilerwriter> If I can get xserver working I will consider working with the cube again.
[23:59] <gaminggeek> compilerwriter: what is the issue your having?
[23:59] <penguin42> compilerwriter: if you do an apt-get update and then apt-get distupgrade it should do it
[23:59]  * compilerwriter misses his cube
[23:59] <danbh_intrepid> iamrafkid: your welcome, though I don't remember the details  : )
[23:59] <compilerwriter> :sudo apt-get update
[23:59] <compilerwriter> sorry not used to ircii