[17:14] <stobix> ineedtoscholarsh: depends on if you like to use a mouse, have menus, look at pictures and such. If that is the case, use the regular one. If not, go for the non X version. (pro tip: I don't think you would want the non X version.)
[17:15] <Starn> so nothing on aptd crashing ubuntu software center?
[17:15] <ineedtoscholarsh> stobix : thats right i  like regular
[17:18] <ZeZu> I have a Wily install that I can't get to boot,  it's failing to find rootfs and going into loop waiting on mdadm to find an array ... but i can boot into it just fine in a VM...  but when i update initramfs I get warnings from mdadm.conf that no arrays are defined (which i've never seen before).  And there is no reason for it not to boot,  the kernel finds the usb disk it's on just fine as I boot a livecd off of it.
[17:18] <auronandace> !wily | ZeZu
[17:18] <OerHeks> ZeZu, untill release, support in #ubuntu+1 please
[17:20] <ineedtoscholarsh>  stobix : what is AMD Catalyst™ 15.9 Proprietary Ubuntu 14.04 x86_64 Video Driver for Graphics Accelerators Devel Files (OGL, OCL)
[17:21] <stobix> ineedtoscholarsh: I have no idea whatsoever. What does the description say?
[17:22] <ineedtoscholarsh> stobix : http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Ubuntu+x86+64
[17:24] <auronandace> ineedtoscholarsh: you really ought to stick with the drivers in the ubuntu repos (additional drivers)
[17:26] <OerHeks> fglrx driver 15.7 also known as 15.20 is in Ubuntu repositories for trusty, vivid and wily releases.
[17:28] <Starn> this is my pastebin for software center.. http://pastebin.com/Ed8qqmbt
[17:29] <OerHeks> Starn, on what linux version ?
[17:30] <Starn> OerHeks, Ubuntu 15.04
[17:30] <k1l> Starn: did you change something with python on the system? what os is that exactly?
[17:30] <Carol_> hi can someone help me as I'm a bit confused
[17:30] <baizon> !ask | Carol_
[17:31] <OerHeks> Starn, oke, try in terminal:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure software-center --force
[17:31] <Starn> kil: ubuntu 15.04 and i've personally not changed anything in python all i've done is install updates and steam.
[17:31] <Carol_> hello?
[17:31] <OerHeks> then update again
[17:31] <Carol_> anybody up there?
[17:31] <Starn> OerHeks, i've tried that..
[17:31] <Pici> Carol_: there are about 1,800 people here. do you have a specific question?
[17:31] <Starn> OerHeks, if you can find it on google or askubuntu i've tried it.
[17:32] <Starn> OerHeks, i will try again just for the sake of being thorough
[17:32] <OerHeks> Starn, what is the output if you try: sudo apt-get install -f
[17:33] <Starn> OerHeks, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:40] <Starn> OerHeks, if i recall correctly my issue started after i signed onto my ubuntu one account. but i could be wrong on that one. it's been  a few days.
[17:43] <OerHeks> Starn, remove that stored password in passwords&keys, and try again ?
[17:45] <Starn> OerHeks, just found it and removed trying to launch it again.
[17:46] <OerHeks> Starn, if it works, you might have given a hint to a long known issue when those python2.7 issues appear suddely :-)
[17:47] <pkull> Hi! I have a newbie ufw issue. sudo ufw allow from xx.xx.xx.xxx does what it is supposed to do but sudo ufw delete allow from xx.xx.xx.xxx does not undo that. Any idea about what I might be doing wrong?
[17:48] <Starn> OerHeks, still not working :(
[17:49] <OerHeks> Starn, are you sure you have softwarecenter open without the terminal you just used? that can bite too.
[17:50] <OerHeks> if so, i am out of ideas :-(
[17:50] <TJ-> Starn: OerHeks "2015-10-21 12:21:46,203 - softwarecenter.backend.reviews - WARNING - error creating bsddb: '(22, 'Invalid argument -- BDB0054 illegal flag combination specified to DB_ENV->open')' (corrupted?)"
[17:51] <OerHeks> TJ-, would "  sudo dpkg-reconfigure software-center --force " fix that?
[17:52] <Starn> OerHeks, new pastebin.http://pastebin.com/jpQ1JRwc
[17:52] <TJ-> OerHeks: not sure, but definitely worth a try
[17:52] <Starn> TJ-, what does that even mean? i understand the possible corruption.
[17:52] <pepijndevos_> My audio is messed up aplay does work now, but Firefox does not.
[17:52] <OerHeks> TJ-, he did already :-(
[17:53] <Starn> TJ-, i've also tried purge and reinstalling everything.
[17:54] <OerHeks> TJ-, or his filesystem is mounted read only.. could be the issue too ...
[17:54] <OerHeks> Starn, can you write a file in your /home/  ?
[17:54] <Starn> OerHeks, yes.
[17:54] <OerHeks> touch ~/something
[17:54] <OerHeks> oke, so it is not a faulty filesystem
[17:55] <Starn> OerHeks, yep touch ~/something made a file haha
[17:56] <TJ-> Starn: have you tried "rm -R ~/.cache/software-center"
[17:57] <Eyo> is this a good place to ask about correcting dependencies? https://bpaste.net/raw/6a7cce13c5ca
[17:57] <Eyo> I wanted to just remove gcc/build-essential and reinstall but now it won't let me
[17:58] <TJ-> Starn: does the software centre GUI 'crash' or remain running?
[17:59] <Starn> TJ-, just did and it's still not loading. and we've gotten to the point it doesn't crash it loads now just freezes.
[17:59] <TJ-> Starn: this may be related: bug #1163886
[17:59] <Starn> TJ-, before it was literally crash to desktop.
[18:00] <Eyo> the root of the problem is this:
[18:01] <Eyo> https://bpaste.net/raw/e2f7ca0d385b
[18:03] <Starn> TJ-, i lied it crashed again..  so it's doing both just freezes and sometimes crashes.
[18:03] <TJ-> Starn: from that bug report, there's a possible workaround in comment 29
[18:03] <daftykins> PanV1: i didn't send you that link at all, but if you found another you could follow - cool :)
[18:03] <ijar> hello everyone, I deleted one of the OSes on my machine. it was the one with grub, as it turned out. now grub rescue screen comes at start. what do I need to do?
[18:04] <TJ-> Starn: also mentioned in specific detail in comment 31
[18:05] <ememota> hello
[18:05] <TJ-> Starn: comment 45 gives step-by-step instructions
[18:06] <Starn> TJ-, i'll give it a try. also software-center --version produced no errors.
[18:08] <TJ-> Starn: there's a silly test too! "software-center --force-rtl" :D
[18:08] <alteregoa> hello ubuntunian candidates
[18:08] <TJ-> Starn: I assume RTL is right-to-left text ... but worth a try :)
[18:09] <alteregoa> ubuntu delayed for marty mcflys arrival?
[18:09] <Starn> so far the fixes on launchpad don't work..
[18:09] <Starn> TJ-, i'll try the software-center --force-rtl
[18:11] <ijar> I found this page referring to my problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/493826/grub-rescue-problem-after-deleting-ubuntu-partition    but I also dont know what I'd need to insert as the right partition name. is it something like sda1, sda2..?
[18:12] <daftykins> ijar: boot a live session from a flash drive then reinstall grub perhaps
[18:13] <ijar> daftykins, I am already in live session. how can I reinstall grub?
[18:13] <daftykins> !grub
[18:13] <Starn> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/tQHKqYT8  new pastebin.. it didn't work seems like same errors?
[18:14] <Starn> TJ-, i'm terrible btw at reading debug info and console info like this. half the stuff just confuses me.
[18:14] <OerHeks> Starn, are you on wireless now?
[18:14] <ijar> is it with this procedure here: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd ?
[18:14] <OerHeks> Starn, from that earlier bugreport, someone mentioned that all went normal on cable...
[18:15] <ijar> want to make sure before applying
[18:15] <TJ-> Starn: can you do "strace -o /tmp/sc.log -f -e trace=file software-center" and then pastebin the /tmp/sc.log ?
[18:15] <daftykins> ijar: is that you searching yourself, or following the links ubottu provided from my trigger?
[18:15] <OerHeks> ijar, why not use the given url, see ubottu
[18:17] <ijar> because it is not a simple solution page as in the link I referred
[18:18] <ijar> basically I wanted to know if it is correct
[18:18] <OerHeks> maybe, not tested that version.
[18:19] <daftykins> ijar: run boot repair like the link says please
[18:19] <OnceMe> to backup my system, without home, (I didnt mounted home) is rsync -av --one-file-system /mnt /media/dest enough?
[18:19] <OnceMe> that will prevent /proc /dev and other unnecessery stuff?
[18:19] <ijar> daftykins, like the link I posted says, or the link in ubottu?
[18:19] <jpds> OnceMe: That'll just pull whatever's in /mnt
[18:20] <daftykins> ijar: the one i said.
[18:20] <jpds> OnceMe: And you probably want -aPv
[18:20] <ijar> there is no solution there.
[18:20] <ijar> two pages of explanation
[18:20] <Eyo> can someone help me with correcting dependencies? https://bpaste.net/raw/6a7cce13c5ca the root of the problem is this https://bpaste.net/raw/e2f7ca0d385b
[18:20] <ijar> I show a solution page and dont get any comment
[18:20] <ijar> why?
[18:20] <Eyo> they both want different packages
[18:20] <ijar> why is it always like this?
[18:20] <ijar> lately
[18:21] <ijar> here
[18:21] <ijar> no help
[18:21] <Eyo> I wanted to just remove gcc/build-essential and reinstall but now it won't let me
[18:21] <ijar> just "do as you are told"
[18:21] <ijar> what is that?
[18:21] <jpds> ijar: That page looks pretty good ot me
[18:21] <ijar> to me not.
[18:21] <OerHeks> ijar, go for it, if it crashes, you can always try OUR page :-D
[18:21] <ijar> because I am new with this
[18:21] <OerHeks> !attitude
[18:21] <megi> hello!! guys
[18:21] <daftykins> ijar: it says run boot repair, so please do it.
[18:22] <OerHeks> daftykins +1
[18:22] <ijar> and dont see why we have to talk over this link or that link when I already show a solution and ask for advice if I should use it
[18:22] <ijar> oh yes..attitude.
[18:22] <daftykins> ijar: because the resources provided to you are ALREADY checked, i'm not going to extra effort to check yours just because you can't follow ours.
[18:22] <OerHeks> ijar, again: maybe, not tested that version.
[18:22] <ijar> oh yours, ours..
[18:23] <ijar> it already shows the thinking
[18:23] <ijar> there used to be positive helping people here
[18:23] <daftykins> what, that community edited guides *just might* be ok? :)
[18:23] <megi> I'ld like to ask you something about my system. Swap partition especially. I've had swap partition upon installing the system but I wanted to change it after a while.
[18:23] <daftykins> ijar: there are still, just for some reason you are an awkward user who refuses to follow provided advice.
[18:24] <jpds> ijar: Why don't you try boot-repair and see what happens rather than complain on here?
[18:24] <kazuma_> ijar noone wants to help you if you sound like your complaining either and saying noone is postive
[18:24] <ijar> you awkwardly abstain from taking that one step
[18:24] <daftykins> ijar: i think you'll find that's you :)
[18:24] <kazuma_> you're
[18:24] <Starn> TJ-, yeah sorry i can do that. i was temp away.. running the command now.
[18:24] <ijar> yes, I had no intention to spend minutes here like this
[18:25] <TJ-> ijar: if you deleted the 'ubuntu' partition (file-system) then there will be no GRUB root file-system available - so it cannot load its modules nor grub.cfg. In other words, you'll have deleted 3/4 or GRUBs essential files
[18:25] <jpds> ijar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#Using_the_Ubuntu_CD_.28Recommended.29
[18:25] <megi> My system used to use the SWAP very often but now it doesn't use it... the swappines value is 60 I have had 1,9 GB ram used out of 2,9 GB, but still swap partition is 0. If I log in as Guest user It uses it as it has to.
[18:25] <jpds> ijar: Literally four steps with a GUI app
[18:26] <ijar> jpds, I havent installed windows. I have nothing to do with windows
[18:26] <jpds> ijar: Same principal applies for restoring GRUB
[18:26] <daftykins> _nobody_ is talking about Windows, the advice simply applies the same
[18:26] <megi> I've created another user just to check if there is diffenrence but not...
[18:26] <OnceMe> jpds:ok so how to exclude /proc /dev and all that stuff I dont need for a backup
[18:26] <megi> Is it because i have separated /home volume?
[18:26] <OnceMe> since its volatile
[18:27] <TJ-> jpds: that's not the same issue. In that issue, there'd be no grub rescue (the first 1/4 of GRUB). ijar has blown away the GRUB root file-system
[18:27] <ijar> seriously...
[18:27] <OerHeks> OnceMe, why would you backup those messed-up systemfolders?
[18:27] <OnceMe> OerHeks:well I dont
[18:27] <OnceMe> I am finding a way to rsync it without those weird sysdirs
[18:28] <flappynerd> megi, a separate /home partition shouldn't likely affect much of anything
[18:28] <jpds> ijar: Yes, seriously, it's exactly the same steps, windows or no windows
[18:28] <bekks> OnceMe: "man rsync", find "--exclude".
[18:28] <megi> Hello? Something about my swap. I really don't want to reinstall the whole system just to use SWAP partition
[18:28] <OnceMe> I dont know what all sys folders I dont need
[18:28] <OnceMe> exclude is not the way to go
[18:28] <bekks> OnceMe: Then backup everything you need.
[18:28] <bekks> OnceMe: Exclude actually IS the way to go.
[18:28] <TJ-> ijar: in your link, did you follow the steps in the 1st answer, to find the file-system containing GRUB's files?
[18:28] <daftykins> megi: are you saying you don't have one right now but want to add one?
[18:29] <reisio> megi: something?
[18:29] <ijar> I was ready to go with the solution the link of which I posted. apart from the problem, it is amazing I didnt get any single confirmation if it is ok to do so.
[18:29] <megi> no I've deleted my first swap partition
[18:29] <jpds> ijar: 18:21:30 < jpds> ijar: That page looks pretty good ot me
[18:29] <OerHeks> ijar, you did get one, but i leave you to it, goodluck.
[18:29] <reisio> megi: and?
[18:29] <daftykins> ijar: also amazing how stubborn you are :)
[18:29] <megi> recreated it with the same UUID value and now my system mounts it but not using it by my user
[18:29] <TJ-> ijar: If you deleted the Ubuntu partition, that is usually also the GRUB root file-system, so there will be no fix. You'll have to reinstall the entire OS
[18:30] <megi> only GUEST user uses it. why is that?
[18:30] <jpds> megi: You could always use a swap file instead of a partition
[18:30] <reisio> megi: sudo mkswap /dev/foo, sudo swapon /dev/foo
[18:30] <daftykins> megi: can you show the output of "free -m" in a paste at http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:30] <EriC^^> OnceMe: if you've mounted it under /mnt then just copy it and use the --exclude "home" command as bekks said to remove your home dir
[18:30] <reisio> megi: swap isn't something that is mounted at all
[18:30] <jpds> megi: I don't think the guest session is saved to disk
[18:30] <OerHeks> megi, a browser uses t in guest session, as it cannot write to its home, there is no guest home
[18:30] <EriC^^> OnceMe: the sys dirs are all empty if it's mounted from the live session, they only get populated when you boot
[18:30] <reisio> if by 'use' you mean "gets it mounted", that's irrelevant
[18:31] <megi> I don't want to use swap file as my hdd is really messed up with bad sectors
[18:31] <OerHeks> megi, a browser uses swap in guest session, as it cannot write to its home, there is no guest home
[18:31] <megi> I've just managed to find good sectors 'for now' and don't want to force rewrite in my / dir
[18:31] <daftykins> megi: you shouldn't even be using that computer then, you should backup your data and buy a new one.
[18:32] <daftykins> even a single bad sector is unacceptable.
[18:32] <megi> nope guest account uses /tmp directory
[18:32] <megi> to write on, my user had /home instead
[18:32] <OnceMe> ok doing whole sys backup except for home dir,I already got that
[18:32] <OnceMe> after that I will start win8 installation :)
[18:32] <ijar> jpds, ok, as can be seen from my reply to it, I thought you referred to the u-boot link
[18:33] <bekks> OnceMe: Do you have a backup of your home already?
[18:33] <daftykins> megi: no, you need to keep installing updates to stay safe online, so you have to replace that drive - there is no choice here, it is fact.
[18:33] <ijar> ehm, sorry, ubottu...
[18:33] <megi> I know about that bad sectors it's just for a while until I buy a knew hdd
[18:33] <megi> new*
[18:33] <daftykins> 'a while' is how long?
[18:33] <daftykins> you should have ordered one already :)
[18:33] <EriC^^> OnceMe: all the partitions right? cause i remember you had a bunch
[18:33] <megi> month or two, not sure yet
[18:33] <OnceMe> well yes
[18:33] <daftykins> megi: anyway swap will always be on disk so there's no way to help you
[18:33] <OnceMe> Im going to remove them all
[18:33] <OnceMe> and start fresh
[18:34] <megi> although it's not my laptop, depends on my friends willing to buy new hdd
[18:34] <EriC^^> OnceMe: i mean did you mount them all and back it all up?
[18:34] <jpds> megi: Get an SSD
[18:34] <EriC^^> OnceMe: cause you had like 3 or 4 of them
[18:34] <megi> it's too old laptop doesn't deserve ssd :D
[18:35] <reisio> megi: so you don't have a problem?
[18:35] <reisio> oh good :p
[18:35] <OnceMe> EriC^^:I dont need backup from windows partitions
[18:35] <OnceMe> I had nothing on them :)
[18:35] <bekks> OnceMe: Do you have a backup of your home already?
[18:35] <EriC^^> OnceMe: i mean the linux ones were like 3 or 4
[18:35] <EriC^^> OnceMe: can you type cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 ?
[18:35] <EriC^^> it'll show what gets mounted where
[18:36] <Starn> TJ-, i'm running into a lot of issues trying to paste this into pastebin.
[18:36] <megi> I've just wanted to know how to recreate swap partition in order to use it by my user, as it was after I installed the system
[18:37] <OnceMe> I manually edited fstabs and they are broken :D
[18:37] <bekks> megi: swap is always used by the system, not by a user.
[18:37] <megi> but tnx anyway, I'll reinstall...
[18:37] <OnceMe> but those partitions others were for swap\
[18:37] <OnceMe> boot home and linux itself
[18:37] <EriC^^> oh
[18:37] <TJ-> Starn: file too big?
[18:37] <megi> ok so how I can manage the system to use it when I use many programs
[18:37] <TJ-> Starn: generally, "pastebinit /tmp/sc.log" should do it
[18:37] <daftykins> megi: you can't, it's damaged, i wouldn't be using it at all.
[18:37] <bekks> megi: mkswap /dev/foo; swap -a /dev/foo
[18:38] <megi> with swappiness 60 and 2 gb ram full out of 3 gb should the swap be used right?
[18:38] <bekks> megi: But since your disk is damaged, I second daftykins
[18:38] <Starn> TJ-, that might work better than me trying to use a webbrowser 'cause it's so large my computer is literally slowing down
[18:38] <EriC^^> OnceMe: you had a 4gb boot?
[18:38] <reisio> megi: wha?
[18:39] <reisio> megi: swap is mostly used when you run out of ram, or if you're suspending
[18:39] <megi> reisio: I've had 2 gb out of 3 GB ram used and swap - none
[18:39] <megi> but it's mapped
[18:40] <OnceMe> EriC^^:yap :D
[18:40] <daftykins> megi: as i asked, "free -m" in a pastebin would be handy right now.
[18:40] <reisio> megi: like I said
[18:40] <megi> although hibernation not working
[18:40] <reisio> separate issue
[18:40] <megi> upon the same reason- there is no processes running by my user transferred to swap space
[18:41] <reisio> megi: so what
[18:41] <reisio> are you trying to find a problem you don't have? :p
[18:41] <megi> free -m says 2000000 b and 0 b used
[18:41] <daftykins> megi: can you run the above command?
[18:41] <megi> i can assure you about that
[18:41] <daftykins> megi: put the whole thing in a pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:41] <Starn> TJ-, this might take a bit with my slow upload rate and considering the file is 288mb i'm assuming that's would technically need to be uploaded? the pastebinit /tmp/sc.log command is running right now
[18:41] <megi> ok.. I'll paste it
[18:42] <TJ-> Starn: Ouch! stop it then, that'll fail anyhow with 'too big' lets compress it :)
[18:42] <megi> I may not have problems now but what about running out of ram - I can't deal with 3 gb ram using video editing and office programs...
[18:42] <Starn> TJ-, yeah quad core 6gb ram can barely open it in pluma or gedit btw.
[18:43] <daftykins> megi: i still want to see the output of that command first-hand, do you refuse to share it? is there some problem?
[18:43] <reisio> megi: what makes you think you're running out of ram
[18:43] <TJ-> Starn: "pushd /tmp; gzip sc.log; ls -l sc.log.*" you should now have a "sc.log.gz" which is much smaller, and can be uploaded to a file-sharing web-site (unfortunately Ubuntu doesn't have one!)
[18:43] <ijar> daftykins, OerHeks, "stubbornness" explained: with the link I posted, for which I only needed to hear "yes, you can use it in your case", I solved the problem in a quarter of the time I tried to get an answer.
[18:44] <daftykins> ijar: well you should've followed the one given, so you can take your smug attitude and reassess your approach to taking free help in future.
[18:44] <Starn> TJ-, i have google drive will that work for you?
[18:45] <TJ-> ijar: if you fixed the issue you cannot have deleted the Ubuntu partition/file-system
[18:45] <TJ-> Starn: sure will.... although I have to break for dinner right now so might be a little while to get back to it
[18:45] <ijar> you seriously have problem in your mind
[18:45] <megi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12887609/
[18:46] <ijar> TJ- yes, one partition was deleted
[18:46] <daftykins> ok, so 11GB swap
[18:46] <megi> yeah it's too much but it eneded like empty space so I decided to use it
[18:46] <reisio> excess of swap
[18:47] <Starn> TJ-, that's fine i got some things to do other than mess with computer anyways haha gotta clean up and eat my self XD
[18:47] <geomyidae_> oh upstart, I love you so, even though my network is up, none of the services with "network" in the name are stopped
[18:47] <daftykins> but as soon as your disk gets used, it's going to start reading and writing in areas that might cause more bad sectors, then you'll start losing data (potentially) and bad things will happen
[18:47] <geomyidae_> which means the upstart guide telling you to use "stopped networking" as a trigger is useless
[18:47] <megi> it's not a problem the swap size but the utilizing of it
[18:47] <daftykins> megi: it shouldn't be used until the RAM is full - and that's what's happening :)
[18:47] <megi> as you see 815 free ram and 0 used swap. why is that?
[18:47] <ijar> I tell the guy I solved the problem in a minute with the solution that he avoided confirming which he could do with a single glance. and he still says "you should have.."..gosh..no use here
[18:47] <Starn> TJ-, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B63NgyYRildrZ1VxV2VFalloNHM/view?usp=sharing   i believe that link will work
[18:47] <daftykins> !linuxatemyram
[18:47] <daftykins> damn.
[18:48] <megi> not sure about that - that's what swappines if for!
[18:48] <daftykins> !ram | megi here
[18:48] <daftykins> megi: well your situation isn't really worthy of much consideration since your disk is failing anyway, so i don't really know what you're looking for today
[18:48] <ijar> daftykins, don't PM me writing adjectives, rude man! if you're ashamed of using them in public, don't PM people, either!
[18:49] <megi> well I can use your resolving of that problem on my personal laptop as well
[18:49] <reisio> megi: swap isn't used until you need it
[18:49] <megi> I've did the same there and the same ***
[18:49] <reisio> megi: what's the problem
[18:50] <megi> ok I'll fill my ram and i'm pretty sure no swap will be used after all
[18:50] <TJ-> Starn: I have the file; I'll look when I return from dinner
[18:50] <reisio> mmhmmm
[18:50] <reisio> TJ-: what's for supper?
[18:50] <megi> I'ld like to be certain that my system is not going to hang when I use video editing software or emulate some windows program or something else that requires a lot of RAM
[18:51] <reisio> better to wait for a problem to exist before fixing it
[18:51] <megi> yeah ram-to-swap might be slow but still it's a solution for now
[18:51] <Starn> TJ-, alright  if the link gave ya my gplus info you're more than welcomed to message me when you're back otherwise hopefully i don't lose your message on here.
[18:51] <daftykins> not with a faulty disk it isn't :)
[18:52] <megi> there's gonna be reinstall it seems...
[18:53] <daftykins> megi: how about sharing your disk SMART info to see how bad it is right now? install: pastebinit smartmontools, then run: sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit
[18:53] <megi> I'm trying to tell you that ubuntu has problem with recreating swap partitions as not using them but you are not listening. Why there is an option for virtual memory as you cannot use it.. don't understant that
[18:53] <daftykins> we are listening, there's just no point resolving that even if it is as you say, whilst the disk is faulty.
[18:53] <reisio> moreover, you haven't proved it
[18:54] <megi> it's that bad so I've had to leave first 50GB sectors and the last 50GB of disk geometry to use that 500GB sata disk
[18:54] <daftykins> lol
[18:54] <daftykins> that's horrific
[18:54] <megi> it's gonna be long time to wait for smartctl to finish
[18:54] <reisio> the time you've spent on it already is probably worth a 500gb replacement drive
[18:54] <daftykins> it just reads info so it won't take long at all
[18:55] <daftykins> megi: it's instant, just an information command
[18:55] <reisio> smartctl is pointless
[18:55] <daftykins> well i wanna see how bad it is :P
[18:55] <reisio> best case, it tells you what you already know
[18:55] <megi> :D well it's not my laptop, I'ld have bought one hdd already
[18:55] <daftykins> why are you even using someone elses?
[18:55] <reisio> so wasting time for someone else is good? :p
[18:55] <daftykins> reisio: are they not doing the same to us? ;)
[18:56] <ubuntuUser> hi all
[18:57] <reisio> nope
[18:57] <reisio> teaching someone how to not waste time is not a waste of time
[18:57] <reisio> at least not compared to most things
[18:57] <reisio> ubuntuUser: hi
[18:58] <megi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12887703/ here is the output
[18:58] <megi> ahahh i'm not using it but configuring it
[18:59] <lepel101> Hi, I am trying (an failing, so far) to use xpra with ubuntu on the server side and windows on the client side
[19:00] <reisio> lepel101: bummer
[19:00] <lepel101> After succesfully starting xpra on the ubuntu server (xpra reports it enters into daemon mode) I get the following error after attempting to connect to it: "server requested disconnect: server error accepting new connection"
[19:00] <ubuntuUser> please someone know how to edit resources on Windows' exe files with an ubuntu command line (or eventualy a lib in python or other) ?
[19:00] <bekks> ubuntuUser: Whats the actual issue behind that?
[19:00] <megi> so what do you think about that WD hdd :D
[19:01] <reisio> ubuntuUser: to do what
[19:01] <lepel101> the (I think most relevant) line in the error log on the server states "failed to parse screen size information: too many values to unpack"
[19:01] <ubuntuUser> put my openvpn config on my exe client
[19:01] <daftykins> megi: 124 pending sectors, mmm ouch
[19:01] <bekks> ubuntuUser: Thats not going to work.
[19:02] <ubuntuUser> the client works
[19:02] <bekks> ubuntuUser: you need to modify the source code of that binary for reading the config from the resources section properky.
[19:02] <megi> :D toshiba will be it
[19:02] <megi> the new hdd :D
[19:02] <catbug> hey guys, i just got a logitech g430 headset
[19:02] <daftykins> megi: i wouldn't
[19:02] <catbug> is there a way i can get it to work with trusty
[19:02] <lepel101> the full error on the server since attempting to connect -> http://pastebin.com/ttK5V56d
[19:02] <ubuntuUser> no I wrote a litle gui in python that manage openvpn
[19:02] <daftykins> but whatever you want ;)
[19:02] <akik> ubuntuUser: have you tried unzipping the openvpn client exe?
[19:02] <catbug> via usb
[19:03] <ubuntuUser> I've create an exe with py2exe
[19:03] <megi> in most cases (in my hands especially) hitachi and seagate lasts longer
[19:03] <megi> as hitachi is cheaper... :D
[19:03] <lepel101> I searched for the error, and only 1 hit on google even remotely resembles something relevant -> https://www.xpra.org/trac/ticket/757
[19:05] <akik> ubuntuUser: the openvpn server on pfsense creates a openvpn client package exe which is actually a zip file
[19:06] <ubuntuUser> and I've create an installer that install openvpn, put config and add my gui but now I want to edit the exe with my webserver the config file inside the exe
[19:06] <Starn> so empathy has sms? i'm confused on this now. like how does it work? how do ya use it? can it work with the google hangouts protocol? i just now found this function in empathy and i want to know if it's even usable.
[19:06] <daftykins> ubuntuUser: that is not an Ubuntu task, since an .exe is Windows
[19:06] <lepel101> would appreciate any help or suggestions :)  (btw, I can connect to the server and run x programs using ssh -X and xming)
[19:06] <ubuntuUser> but I want to make this with my ubuntu server
[19:07] <lepel101> (also would appreciate if someone forwards me to a more appropriate channel for my problem, if there is any)
[19:08] <bitbyter> part
[19:11] <lepel101> to give some context,  I have a fairly unstable internet connection, and with ssh -X,  everytime I get disconnected I lose all my work
[19:13] <bekks> lepel101: I suggest using nxclient/nxserver then.
[19:13] <lepel101> the program still runs on the server,  but the screen is lost at the client side
[19:13] <Dyzem> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and I have a problem with my WiFi dropping after about 15 - 20 mins of Ubuntu starting up and only reboot reconnects. The icon states that I'm still connected but no webpages will load. I've tried a number of terminal commands from old forum posts but not getting anywhere.
[19:13] <lepel101> searching for a solution for that,  I found out that you can reconnect/reattach to existing x sessions using xpra... if someone has alternatives I am happy to change to something else
[19:13] <bekks> lepel101: Just told you about an alternative.
[19:14] <lepel101> thanks for the suggestion bekks,  I'll check it out right away
[19:14] <akik> lepel101: another one is x2go
[19:14] <lepel101> yes sorry,  I type too slow in my old age :-)
[19:14] <lepel101> thanks akik,  will check that out as well
[19:15] <akik> lepel101: x2go and nxclient don't connect to existing x sessions though
[19:16] <lepel101> hmm,  so for my use case,  after a network error,  I would lose my work just the same with those alternatives?
[19:17] <akik> lepel101: no. i meant that if you're running a x session on the remote server at first, x2go and nxclient can not connect to it
[19:17] <akik> lepel101: but they create a session which can be suspended and resumed later
[19:17] <OnceMe> ok EriC^^now im ready to install win 8
[19:17] <lepel101> ok, that sounds fine then, thanks :)
[19:18] <OnceMe> in bios I see my usb at first for boot sequence and then I see ubuntu with no UEFI icon on it and then I see my real HDD with UEFI on it
[19:18] <akik> lepel101: it's like a graphical screen session if you know gnu screen?
[19:18] <JimmyNeutron> Dyzem, does wired work?
[19:18] <OnceMe> is that the good boot sequence? Or I should move my real disk with UEFI on it before ubuntu which has nothing
[19:19] <OnceMe> EriC^^ ?
[19:19] <EriC^^> OnceMe: no, that's fine
[19:19] <OnceMe> ok
[19:19] <Dyzem> JimmyNeutron, yes I'm running from wired right now. Absolutely no problems with wired.
[19:19] <lepel101> haven't used gnu screen,  only used regular ssh -X with java programs (probably vnc is used under the hood)
[19:20] <lepel101> do you have a personally preference for x2go or nclient, akik, bekks?
[19:21] <akik> lepel101: with gnu screen you can leave programs running on the remote server and detach your terminal, then resume those prorgrams at a later time
[19:21] <akik> lepel101: the programs keep on running the whole time
[19:21] <OnceMe> uhm EriC^^I get No device drivers were found.
[19:21] <JimmyNeutron> Dyzem, I find that most of my problems related to wireless are due to some compatibility issues on the driver not supported certain features.  Going to 802.11g on my wireless router vs 802.11b/g seems to help keep a stable connection
[19:21] <OnceMe> I think I need to put UEFI hdd before ubuntu which is not UEFI..?
[19:22] <lepel101> ok,  that sounds like another alternative then :)  what happens if you don't gracefully detach (i.e. due to a network error)?  can you still resume then?
[19:22] <akik> lepel101: yes
[19:22] <akik> lepel101: but gnu screen is only for text based terminal programs
[19:23] <JimmyNeutron> Dyzem, and even my 802.11n wireless, broadcom chipset, cant connect to my 802.11n wireless router...but downgrading it to 802.11g works fine and stable
[19:23] <Dyzem> JimmyNeutron, Ah right. Mines is just on auto right now. I don't seem to have the option of purely 802.11g though. Only 802.11b or 54g AUTO/LRS/Performance.
[19:24] <lepel101> aha, ok,  looking into x2go and nxclient/nxserver then (do you have a between thosepreference?)
[19:24] <JimmyNeutron> Dyzem, Try newer drivers or beta drivers for your wireless chipset
[19:24] <OnceMe> now ubuntu disk in bios become UEFI
[19:24] <OnceMe> however I cant see my usb :(
[19:25] <akik> lepel101: nxserver/nxclient is a product of nomachine corp. there's a free version called freenx but it's probably not developed anymore. x2go is still being developed
[19:26] <OnceMe> EriC^^:?
[19:26] <lepel101> alright,  I'll give x2go a try first then,  thanks a lot for the help!  really appreciate it,  this really could save me countless hours
[19:26] <OnceMe> I see two kingstons now
[19:26] <OnceMe> one is UEFI and one is not
[19:26] <OnceMe> should I pick UEFI one?
[19:27] <OnceMe> EriC^^:?
[19:32] <OnceMe> eh Ill try tomorrow when I have more time
[19:32] <OnceMe> cya tmrw EriC^^
[19:32] <OnceMe> I think my usb is corrupted from some reason but its a fresh win8
[19:48] <dmor> Hello all, how are you?
[19:49] <MonkeyDust> dmor  this is the ubuntu support channel
[19:49] <dmor> Is it possible to ask a technical questions related to network-based installation of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[19:49] <daftykins> yes
[19:49] <coto> holaaaaaa
[19:50] <coto> Holaaaaaaa
[19:50] <coto> alguien?
[19:50] <daftykins> coto: english only please.
[19:50] <daftykins> !cl
[19:50] <MonkeyDust> !es
[19:50] <daftykins> hmm we have no chile :D
[19:50] <coto> xd
[19:50] <coto> sorry
[19:50] <dmor> I'm using Foreman to install Ubuntu 14.04. Foreman itself installed on 14.04.1, but when I install the machines via Foreman, they being installed as 14.04.3 (using my country local mirror). Is it possible to install specific minor version? I've tried to understand the mirrors links, without success. Your support will be really apprecaited.
[19:51] <bekks> dmor: Everything older than 14.04.3 is outdated for 14.04
[19:51] <daftykins> dmor: why do you prefer 14.04.1 ? you need to remain up to date
[19:51] <bekks> dmor: So basically you want to install 14.04.3
[19:51] <bekks> AND you want to update your 14.04.1 server :)
[19:51] <dmor> It's for a client of mine. He has a product which based on 14.04.1.
[19:51] <dmor> Is it technically possible?
[19:52] <bekks> dmor: Only if you run your own 14.04.1 repo
[19:52] <dmor> How's the mirrors works in Ubuntu LTS? does each minor version has it own URL?
[19:52] <OerHeks> dmor, if you compile it yourself, yes.
[19:52] <bekks> dmor: minor versions arent in the repos anymore.
[19:52] <dmor> bekks: how can I do it? using apt-repo? I don't anything to sync except maybe the 14.04.1 iso itself, right?
[19:53] <bekks> dmor: wrong.
[19:53] <dmor> I'll be happy to learn.
[19:53] <bekks> dmor: the repos contain far more software than whats on the iso.
[19:53] <dmor> How can I sync the repo of 14.04.1?
[19:53] <OerHeks> dmor, you wast your time finding out, and such request is not supported.
[19:53] <bekks> dmor: There is no repo for 14.04.1 anymore.
[19:53] <dmor> Thanks for the answer.
[19:54] <dmor> I've tried.
[19:54] <daftykins> dmor: does it specifically need the older kernel of 14.04.1, or is it deeper than that?
[19:54] <daftykins> dmor: bearing in mind 14.04.3 tends to install with 3.19 kernel and 14.04.1 uses 3.13
[19:54] <dmor> I really appreciate your help.
[19:54] <dmor> Yeah. I'll explain that to my client. thanks. is there a way to use 14.04.3 with the 14.04.1 kernel?
[19:55] <daftykins> yes, not sure about your setup but you can install from 14.04 / 14.04.1 media then dist-upgrade
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> dmor  explain to your client that 14.04.1 is outdated
[19:55] <dmor> Thanks a lot.
[19:55] <dmor> Got it
[19:55] <dmor> I really appreciate your help.
[19:55] <dmor> All the best for now!
[19:56] <Bashing-om> dmor: My input. If you install 14.04.1 you can remain on the 3.13 serieis kernels .
[19:56] <Bashing-om> series*
[19:57] <dmor> 10x Bashing-om
[20:03] <justin____> hello
[20:03] <daftykins> lo
[20:04] <justin_k> what is up
[20:04] <OerHeks> justin_k, moon or the sun, but this is ubuntu support
[20:24] <Eyo> can someone please help me with correcting dependencies? https://bpaste.net/raw/6a7cce13c5ca the root of the problem is this https://bpaste.net/raw/e2f7ca0d385b I wanted to just remove gcc/build-essential and reinstall but now it won't let me
[20:25] <daftykins> Eyo: try removing with "sudo dpkg -r <package>"
[20:25] <Bashing-om> Eyo: Look'n ,
[20:25] <OerHeks> Eyo, seems like you are on Utopic ?
[20:26] <OerHeks> = 14.10
[20:28] <Eyo> I'm on elementary os :p
[20:28] <Eyo> daftykins: already tried that
[20:28] <daftykins> oh lawd
[20:28] <daftykins> !elementary
[20:28] <daftykins> Eyo: sorry, ask them :)
[20:28] <OerHeks> Eyo, oh, that explains it
[20:28] <Eyo> hey, the package system is the same
[20:28] <daftykins> sorry, it has its' own problems
[20:28] <Eyo> like?
[20:28] <daftykins> not being ubuntu
[20:29] <OerHeks> That gcc 4.9.1-16ubuntu6 is an old package, not sure if Elementary still uses it
[20:29] <Eyo> I installed that
[20:29] <Eyo> with dpkg
[20:29] <OerHeks> Eyo, goodluck
[20:29] <Eyo> I was on 4.9.1-0ubuntu1 before
[20:29] <MonkeyDust> Eyo  we don't know what the elementary devs changed to make it elementary
[20:30] <croziors> i have upgrade ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04  but apache2 now not work
[20:30] <daftykins> croziors:  kg
[20:30] <daftykins> oops
[20:30] <Eyo> there's no difference in the package system
[20:30] <TJ-> The 4.9.1-16ubuntu6 is from vivid; 4.9.1-0ubuntu1 is from trusty-updates ... VERY broken
[20:30] <daftykins> croziors: big configuration changes between those two, you need to edit your host files most likely and check your log files
[20:30] <daftykins> croziors: your apache log will tell you what is wrong in the configs
[20:30] <OerHeks> Eyo, utopic is EOL here, those packages are old, we dn't know how to help you.
[20:30] <TJ-> Eyo: but, it isn't Ubuntu. We support Ubuntu, not Elementary, the same as #debian supports Debian but not Ubuntu
[20:31] <Eyo> 10/10
[20:31] <Eyo> wtg guys
[20:31] <Eyo> #elementary is dead
[20:32] <Eyo> #ubuntu won't help
[20:32] <daftykins> you could install Ubuntu, we'd help gladly then
[20:32] <Eyo> but I already have ubuntu
[20:32] <daftykins> Eyo: sorry but this is on you, not us
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> Eyo  #ubuntu *can't* help
[20:32] <Eyo> MonkeyDust: excuses
[20:32] <bszabo> Hey folks
[20:33] <Pici> Eyo: theres also ##Linux for distro-agnostic help
[20:33] <k1l> !elementary | Eyo
[20:33] <Bashing-om> Eyo: Install 'buntu . then we will support . Alternately, ubuntuforums.org also offers support for all linux .
[20:33] <k1l> or ##linux
[20:33] <bszabo> I just upgraded from 14.04.3 to 15.04 and I am running into two problems:
[20:33] <Eyo> Pici: thanks!
[20:33] <bszabo> 1) Systems suspends after logging in while docked
[20:34] <croziors> http://pastebin.com/3U9sMxEz
[20:34] <k1l> croziors: "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory"
[20:34] <bszabo> 2) Logitech H390 headset no longer properly recognized - it shows up as C-Media Electronics, Inc.  "Lync Audio Device"
[20:34] <daftykins> croziors: yeah so line 214 of apache2.conf refers to a file that doesn't exist, resolve that
[20:36] <jog1> Hi all - can anyone help? My google chrome keeps crashing and creating a Ubuntu system which is read only, and I don't know how to get it fully RW again
[20:37] <daftykins> i don't think chrome would make your file system change to read only
[20:37] <daftykins> likely something is wrong with your disk, do you use an HDD or an SSD, jog1 ?
[20:39] <gwr053> I used DISKS in Ubuntu 15.04 to create an ISO of a Blu-Ray movie.  It copied it to HD fine.  Now I want to burn it back to a blank.  Will that work?
[20:39] <jog1> daftykins, it definitely did cause read-only, and chromium won't launch now either, and neither will firefox
[20:39] <daftykins> gwr053: unlikely
[20:39] <jog1> i use an hdd
[20:40] <daftykins> jog1: ok and which ubuntu is this?
[20:40] <jog1> 3.13.0-66-generic kernel
[20:40] <jog1> linux mint 17 qiana/ubuntu 14
[20:40] <daftykins> oy vey
[20:40] <jog1> I'll update to whatever if it will help
[20:40] <gwr053> I got it to restore to a USB drive. Why won't it work with a blank bluray?
[20:40] <daftykins> alright well technically you shouldn't be in here for Mint questions, because they're not the same, but i'm going to be charitable just briefly...
[20:40] <jog1> it was the last lts
[20:41] <Lauenceb_> hi
[20:41] <jog1> it's not a mint q - it's a ubuntu - it's running an xubuntu desktop version right now
[20:41] <daftykins> jog1: run "sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools" then "sudo smarctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[20:41] <Lauenceb_> I have a problem, I need to fix metacity
[20:41] <daftykins> jog1: if it's Mint, it's Mint - i don't care :)
[20:41] <Lauenceb_> nohub metacity --replace &
[20:41] <Lauenceb_> isnt doing anything for me
[20:41] <Lauenceb_> what gives?
[20:41] <jog1> daftykins, it started as ubuntu, i added mint, and xubuntu and lubuntu a while back, and now it's all things combined
[20:42] <TJ-> Lauenceb_: what is "nohub" ? is it a typo for "nohup" ?
[20:42] <daftykins> jog1: that's nice, can you run the commands?
[20:42] <jog1> it gave error
[20:42] <Lauenceb_> nohup yes
[20:42] <jog1> invalid api-dev-key
[20:42] <Lauenceb_> sorry
[20:42] <jog1> and smarctl wasn't found
[20:42] <jog1> i assumedyou meant smartctl
[20:42] <Lauenceb_> --display=0      ?
[20:43] <daftykins> jog1: ah yep, honest typo.
[20:43] <daftykins> cat is on my lap :P
[20:43] <jog1> daftykins, still getting bad api req
[20:43] <ipoxfred> can anyone join the offtopic channel and ask what did I do?
[20:44] <Pici> ipoxfred: you can join #ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss your ban.
[20:44] <daftykins> jog1: signs of out of date, run "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" and pastebin it manually to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:44] <ipoxfred> Pici, its plain stupid to beg a stranger to let me in a channel
[20:45] <daftykins> ipoxfred: i suggest you follow procedure and ask where is appropriate.
[20:45] <jog1> daftykins, no browser works, so i can't paste it
[20:45] <daftykins> alright i'll need my fellow helpers advice on an alternative
[20:45] <daftykins> what's the termbin thing guys? :D
[20:46] <jog1> daftykins, can't create files because system read-only
[20:46] <zo1nks> hello
[20:46] <jog1> daftykins, open a private channel with me here so I can paste in there for you?
[20:46] <daftykins> jog1: you don't need to create a file, just run a program and throw some text online, give us a minute
[20:46] <jog1> pastebinit won't work - keeps giving error
[20:46] <TJ-> jog1: "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:46] <zo1nks> is my text visible to you?
[20:46] <daftykins> TJ-: ty :)
[20:46] <zo1nks> am i visible?
[20:47] <TJ-> zo1nks: Yes
[20:47] <daftykins> zo1nks: no, we're just waiting for you to ask a question instead of state nonsense
[20:47] <gwr053> What I want to do is backup a Blu-Ray DVD. No way to do it in Linux.
[20:47] <zo1nks> perfect thanks (sorry for being such a noob) im new to irc
[20:47] <daftykins> gwr053: there are questions of legality on that, so sorry, can't help
[20:47] <TJ-> daftykins: I *think* I remembered Eric's favourite termbin stanza correctly :)
[20:47] <daftykins> :D
[20:47] <zo1nks> are there any channels for "fun chat" e.t.c
[20:47] <daftykins> !alis | zo1nks
[20:47] <zo1nks> in order to get used to irc
[20:48] <TJ-> zo1nks: #ubuntu-offtopic ... sometimes
[20:48] <bprompt> zo1nks:      check http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode   for channels :)
[20:48] <zo1nks> thanks #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:48] <bprompt> zo1nks:   and yes, we can see you :)
[20:49] <jog1> daftykins, pastebinit keeps giving "bad api request, invalid api_dev_key"
[20:49] <daftykins> jog1: yes we established that several minutes ago, can you now run what TJ- shared?
[20:50] <jog1> yes - http://termbin.com/0wwg
[20:50] <daftykins> hmm, disk health looks mostly ok
[20:51] <jog1> the disks are fine
[20:51] <jog1> it's chrome that crashed or altered something in the kernel i think
[20:51] <daftykins> jog1: interesting that you should say this given the state of errors in the table in that data
[20:51] <daftykins> browsers do not edit the kernel :P
[20:51] <TJ->  jog1 show us "cat /var/log/kern.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:52] <jog1> http://termbin.com/dd1w
[20:53] <daftykins> mmm unhappy graphics drivers
[20:53] <TJ-> jog1: are you running the OS from a USB device?
[20:54] <jog1> no
[20:54] <daftykins> two mechanical HDDs, hmm
[20:55] <daftykins> jog1: "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:55] <OerHeks> API mismatch: the client has the version 340.93, but this kernel module has the version 304.125
[20:55] <jog1> http://termbin.com/impr
[20:57] <daftykins> jog1: at this point i would recommend running memtest
[20:57] <jog1> should I switch the nvidia driver to 340 from 340-updates?
[20:57] <jog1> daftykins, the memory is fine
[20:57] <TJ-> jog1: fix the nvidia driver mismatch, and also it might help to fix the missing TV capture card firmware
[20:57] <jog1> i thought i had disabled the tv capture card
[20:57] <jog1> TJ-, recommend cli commands?
[20:58] <TJ-> jog1: the nvidia API mismatch could cause issues since the browsers will be trying to accelerate some operations via WebGL/OpenGL which the nvidia driver provides.
[20:58] <jog1> TJ-, that's likely the issue
[20:58] <jog1> TJ-, please advise more specifics
[20:58] <daftykins> you should purge all nvidia* and reinstall something else
[20:59] <daftykins> i find it odd that you draw assumptions about the state of your hardware when you don't even know for sure
[20:59] <jog1> daftykins, I know for sure it's not the hdd or mem
[20:59] <daftykins> why? :)
[20:59] <TJ-> jog1: how did you originall install the nvidia drivers? using ubuntu-drivers there should be no mismatch between kernel module and the userspace libraries
[21:00] <jog1> because the issue only happens when recently running upgraded chrome/chromium/firefox
[21:00] <jog1> and i upgraded the nvidia driver, too with 3... 66 kernel
[21:00] <jog1> so it's one of those several culprits. the hardware is fine.
[21:00] <daftykins> alright, but bear in mind it wasn't very hard to check now was it? :)
[21:00] <jog1> i used drivermanager gui
[21:00] <TJ-> jog1: "pastebinit <( apt list nvidia* | grep installed )"
[21:01] <jog1> TJ-, bad api
[21:02] <jog1> TJ-, trying termbine
[21:02] <jog1> didn't work
[21:02] <jog1> typo in pastebinit bash command?
[21:02] <daftykins> dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:02] <daftykins> ?
[21:03] <jog1> daftykins, thx -- http://termbin.com/lsg5
[21:03] <daftykins> not sure it's quite what TJ- wanted mind you
[21:04] <TJ-> does the same job ... just confirming that its debian packages installed both versions
[21:05] <daftykins> mint nvidia-prime, it's a laptop right jog1 ?
[21:05] <daftykins> HP Pavilion?
[21:05] <TJ-> jog1: it looks like it needs a purge of nvidia-304 ("sudo apt-get purge nvidia-304") which *ought* to remove the DMS kernel module
[21:05] <jog1> hp pav
[21:05] <jog1> TJ-, doing so..
[21:06] <OerHeks> jog1, mint ppa ?
[21:06] <daftykins> some kind of hybrid install :)
[21:06] <TJ-> jog1: and then "sudo dpkg --configure nvidia-340-updates" *ought* to generate the nvidia-340 kernel module
[21:07] <jog1> TJ-, ok
[21:07] <OerHeks> i think you need to use ppa-purge that mint ppa to correct your nvidia-issue.
[21:07] <jog1> TJ-, says alrady configured / installed
[21:09] <TJ-> jog1: OK, generate the module manually then: "sudo dkms install -m nvidia-340/340.93 -k $(uanme -r)"
[21:09] <jog1> says it's a g86/geforce 8500 gt.. should I use 340 instead of 340-updates? or xerver--nouveau instead of all?
[21:10] <jog1> TJ-, could not find module source.. Directory: /usr/src/nvidia-340-340.93 does not exist
[21:12] <adrian15> Can I assume that any Ubuntu installation has /bin/bash ? Thank you.
[21:12] <daftykins> i think it'd be safe to, yeah
[21:12] <jog1> TJ-, I am in the DRiver Manager gui, I am selecting the 340 nvidia driver, and I will apply and then reboot, and come back to the channel and see if that improves.. ?
[21:12] <k1l> adrian15: yes
[21:12] <TJ-> jog1: looks like the package isn't installed correctly. OK, yes, hopefully that might fix it
[21:12] <k1l> adrian15: but default is dash
[21:13] <OerHeks> jog1, did you add a Mint PPA ? just wondering about that nvidia prime package.
[21:13] <OerHeks> or you are on mint
[21:13] <jog1> OerHeks, I am not sure if the ppa is still active
[21:13] <jog1> OerHeks, should I turn off the mint ppa if any?
[21:13] <OerHeks> i think you need to use ppa-purge that mint ppa to correct your nvidia-issue.
[21:14] <OerHeks> just turning off does not reverse to the original packages
[21:14] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[21:14] <jog1> OerHeks, i'll try
[21:14] <jog1> OerHeks, it seems to be still running some mint programs
[21:22] <jog1> r
[21:22] <jog1> TJ-, didn't work
[21:23] <jog1> chrome just crashed again. still..
[21:24] <jog1> TJ-, and it's all read-only again as wel
[21:26] <jog1> daftykins, you still here?
[21:26] <jog1> OerHeks, still here?
[21:27] <daftykins> yes, personally i'd boot to a live session, fsck the disk - then handle some package management after
[21:28] <jog1> daftykins, how does that help?
[21:28] <jog1> it's the package mgt which is the issue
[21:29] <daftykins> jog1: i had a feeling you were going to question my reply.
[21:29] <jog1> just trying to learn
[21:29] <daftykins> i don't really trust your install since it's this weird mash-up hybrid
[21:30] <k1l> did you use ppa-purge for that PPA?
[21:30] <jog1> it is a mashup at this point, because some people kept telling me to try mint v ubuntu v xubuntu v lubuntu
[21:30] <jog1> so i did
[21:30] <Dyzem> I downloaded a new icon set and quite like it but my current theme conflicts with the panel icons (both light icons and light theme). Is there any way to change only the panel icons but not the other icons?
[21:30] <daftykins> Mint is a distro though, not a DE as you seemed to word it
[21:30] <MonkeyDust> jog1  next time, try them in a virtual machine
[21:30] <MonkeyDust> as*
[21:30] <Ru_Lingu> Newbie ubuntu here, hi! :)
[21:30] <Ru_Lingu> I mean, linux
[21:30] <jog1> daftykins, de?
[21:31] <daftykins> desktop environment
[21:31] <k1l> jog1: that is one of the reasons we cant support mint in here. they drag some depencies and other stuff with their PPA. so its not up to ubuntu if that fails.
[21:31] <daftykins> jog1: if you're still booting read only you need to discover why
[21:31] <jog1> daftykins, not booting read only
[21:32] <jog1> it's fine when boots. it only goes read only after chrome crashes
[21:32] <daftykins> oh ok
[21:32] <jog1> thus not hardware
[21:32] <k1l> jog1: show a "dmesg | pastebin"
[21:32] <daftykins> i did not say anything about hardware, why do you jump to these conclusions?
[21:32] <daftykins> (not this time at least)
[21:32] <k1l> jog1: show a "dmesg | pastebinit" (sorry typo)
[21:32] <jog1> daftykins, i figured why the pastebinit was bad api.. the command is pastebin, not pastebinit :)0
[21:33] <jog1> http://paste.linuxmint.com/view/ow19
[21:33] <daftykins> no it is not, it's pastebinit - but you're running Mint
[21:33] <jog1> and they changed it?
[21:33] <jog1> :-#
[21:33] <daftykins> so at this point i'm going to have to say you should go to their channel for help, or reinstall with actual ubuntu if you want help here
[21:33] <daftykins> !mint
[21:34] <jog1> daftykins, won't ppa-purge make it pure xubuntu/ubuntu?
[21:35] <daftykins> you can try what you like, i don't know what you did from the beginning
[21:35] <k1l> jog1: so it was a mint install where you installed xubuntu-desktop?
[21:36] <k1l> jog1: "lsb_release -a | pastebinit"
[21:36] <jog1> k1l, it was ubuntu first, then i tried mint, and then i tried xubuntu and lubuntu
[21:37] <jog1> daftykins, it was ubuntu first, then i tried mint, then xubuntu, then lubuntu
[21:37] <k1l> Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-66-generic root=UUID=12a1f73c-e0f3-4f24-87a8-f9635d88bb2e ro
[21:37] <k1l> so it boots ro from the start
[21:37] <daftykins> jog1: don't tell me.
[21:38] <daftykins> k1l: i was under the impression that's normal on all systems
[21:38] <daftykins> oh it's being handed the UUID and saying ro o0
[21:38] <goddard> I have some trash in my can that can't be deleted.
[21:38] <goddard> 2015-08-19 03:47:37 /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[21:38] <goddard> 2015-08-19 03:47:54 /boot/efi/EFI/antergos_grub
[21:39] <TJ-> k1l: 'ro' is standard
[21:39] <k1l> daftykins: hmm, seems like ro boot is standard, yes
[21:39] <jog1> TJ-, the nvidia reboot didn't work.. did you have any other possible idea?
[21:39] <fallkin> hi am i in a help server
[21:39] <daftykins> yes
[21:41] <TJ-> jog1: it seems there's something different Mint does; you'd need to investigate what it is.
[21:41] <jog1> TJ-, mint was supposed to be such a smoother version of ubuntu.. but it's not..
[21:41] <daftykins> that's the lie they sell everyday
[21:42] <jog1> how can I get this xubuntu more pure without reinstalling everything? I really just need to get my browser to work asap
[21:42] <daftykins> nope, it's a mess now
[21:43] <stobix> Heh. I think my system is kinda broken right now. "command not found: init"
[21:43] <daftykins> if you're using a separate /home it'd be a quick reinstall from good media
[21:43] <jog1> daftykins, i believe i am...
[21:43] <jog1> how should i check?
[21:44] <daftykins> df -h
[21:44] <daftykins> or "mount"
[21:44] <mbach_> how can I use "gpg2 --gen-key" with ubuntu?
[21:44] <coffeeguy> heh any known issues with the new kernel update?
[21:45] <mbach_> there's an interference with keyring
[21:45] <jog1> daftykins, it is.. but maybe i should try the newest kernel first?
[21:45] <k1l> coffeeguy: what issues?
[21:45] <daftykins> jog1: no, those are real stretches of the imagination - your install is hosed, nuke it from orbit asap
[21:45] <coffeeguy> just wondering if there were any to keep an eye out
[21:45] <daftykins> coffeeguy: we don't know what you're running
[21:46] <coffeeguy> ubuntu 14.04.3
[21:46] <jog1> daftykins, but if i'm just going to nuke it, why not try it first anyway?
[21:46] <daftykins> jog1: you claimed to be pressed for time.
[21:46] <jog1> which i am
[21:46] <jog1> isn't there a simple install command for the newest kernel?
[21:47] <k1l> jog1: "sudo apt-get install linux-generic"
[21:47] <OerHeks> jog1, LOLS, now you want a kernel which is NOT fixing your issue
[21:47] <k1l> i would recommend to choose between mint or ubuntu and then safe the important data and then make a clean install.
[21:47] <daftykins> you're just spinnin' your wheels :)
[21:47] <jog1> OerHeks, i thought mint was ubuntu
[21:48] <OerHeks> seek support in the mint channels, or do a fresh install jog1
[21:48] <OerHeks> don waste our time please
[21:48] <k1l> jog1: again: mint is not ubuntu
[21:48] <k1l> if it was, it would be called ubuntu :)
[21:48] <jog1> distrowatch said it was part of the ubuntu family
[21:48] <k1l> jog1: i thought we were already past that.
[21:49] <jog1> it's not like i'm making it up.. anyway, yes, past that.
[21:49] <OerHeks> still wasting time ..
[21:49] <jog1> i'm just trying to get this pure ubuntu without nuking it
[21:49] <k1l> jog1: make a clean cut
[21:50] <Gerowen> jog1: I am just dropping into this conversation, but if you're trying to "convert" one distribution that used/uses non-Ubuntu repositories for its core system files, you're in for a LONG ride.  It would be faster to just back up your home directory (including all the hidden .appname folders with your application settings), write down what 3rd party apps you want to keep, and just do a clean install of Ubuntu.
[21:51] <daftykins> there we go, so multiple people saying the same thing now
[21:51] <daftykins> seeing as my word never cut it the first time i said things this evening :)
[21:51] <Gerowen> jog1: You could have a pure Ubuntu up and running in 30 minutes, the longest part would just be moving your backed up files back and forth.
[21:51] <daftykins> and given a spare /home jog1 won't even have to do that :)
[21:51] <daftykins> er separate, not spare
[21:51] <jog1> right, i have /home separate
[21:52] <coffeeguy> well anyhoo, ubuntu seems to be running like top with the kernel update i got this morning so Thank You :D
[21:52] <jog1> but there are a lot of third party apps to reinstall
[21:52] <daftykins> jog1: the quicker you get to it, the quicker you can be doing that browsing you need to get to.
[21:53] <jog1> sigh
[21:53] <OerHeks> In the hour you wasted here, you could easily do a fresh install.
[21:54] <jog1> thanks.. i'll be back
[21:56] <TashaSetsuki> Hello I'm running ubuntu 15.10 beta 2 and I was wondering if anyone was able to install any proprietary fglrx drivers on it?
[21:57] <daftykins> #ubuntu+1 for Wily please
[21:57] <k1l> TashaSetsuki: basically: that should be possible
[21:57] <TashaSetsuki> I looked it up and there are issues with fglrx and 4.2 kernel
[21:58] <daftykins> there are most always issues with AMD and everything :)
[21:58] <TashaSetsuki> I've reinstalled ubuntu 3 times in a row now because it keeps messing up when I install fglrx
[21:59] <k1l> TashaSetsuki: details matter
[21:59] <daftykins> TashaSetsuki: as i mention though, until 15.10 is released - please take it to #ubuntu+1
[22:00] <TashaSetsuki> How do I do that
[22:01] <allegorical> hi, sorry linux noob here... so i downloaded the jdk-8u65-linux-x64.tar.gz and ran 'sudo tar zxvf jdk-8u65-linux-x64.tar.gz' in /usr/java ... heh what do i do now ?
[22:01] <daftykins> don't install it from a tar
[22:01] <allegorical> okay sorry i just try to understand the tar stuff
[22:01] <daftykins> you're going to need to regularly update java since it's full of holes :)
[22:02] <daftykins> grab a PPA from somewhere like webupd8 with the java 8 installer
[22:02] <allegorical> so i should use the apt-get default-jdk something like that? ... oh
[22:02] <daftykins> !ppa
[22:03] <TashaSetsuki> Tried #ubuntu1 nothing. ..
[22:04] <daftykins> no, #ubuntu+1
[22:04] <k1l> TashaSetsuki: #ubuntu+1
[22:04] <TJ-> allegorical: which ubuntu release are you trying to install Java 8 in?
[22:04] <daftykins> "/join #ubuntu+1"
[22:05] <allegorical> TJ-: 14.04
[22:06] <TJ-> allegorical: I built openjdk8 for 14.04 as a test for backporting it to the main archive; you're welcome to try that
[22:06] <TJ-> allegorical: see: https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/java-for-14.04
[22:07] <allegorical> ok, thanks guys
[22:08] <MrNumber3isme> Hello room
[22:08] <daftykins> lo
[22:11] <MrNumber3isme> I am trying to connect my Ubuntu laptop to a home file server running Windows 7. When I hit browse network, I see a folder titled Windows network. I open it up, and I can see my server. I open the folder titled workgroup, and I can see the server. I try to open it it asks for my password, I enter the password windows gave me when I set up the network, but it still will not let me connect
[22:13] <daftykins> MrNumber3isme: that's a homegroup password, you should leave the homegroup to make use of inter-OS sharing
[22:13] <daftykins> the user+pass is a Windows username and password, not the homegroup password
[22:14] <MrNumber3isme> So my windows password should work?
[22:15] <daftykins> maybe, but as i say - leaving the homegroup is the best bet.
[22:15] <MrNumber3isme> What do you mean leave the home group?
[22:15] <daftykins> i mean literally that - go into the network and sharing center and you'll see.
[22:16] <daftykins> MrNumber3isme: you'll likely run into caching issues with win7 as a file server, it needs some registry tweaks to make it work properly.
[22:16] <MrNumber3isme> Network and Sharing Center on the Windows side?
[22:16] <daftykins> yes
[22:16] <daftykins> at best: it'll be slow, at worst: it'll disable its' own LAN Interface during high-throughput on gigabit LAN
[22:17] <MrNumber3isme> The only reason I got stuck with using Windows, is because every version of Linux that I have tried is extremely difficult to set up networking.
[22:17] <daftykins> i'd disagree with that
[22:18] <MrNumber3isme> Normally I would use Linux, but every version that I have used so far, or attempted to use did not want to work. So far I've had the best luck with Linux Mint, but for some reason it still did not want to connect or create a network
[22:18] <Gerowen> MrNumber3isme: I use GUFW for local software firewall and SSH for both remote logins and file transfer.
[22:18] <Gerowen> Easy peasy
[22:18]  * Gerowen heads out to eat dinner.
[22:18] <finetundra_> hey folks, I'm trying to connect to an irc server but I was told by irssi that I need to install identd. How do I do that?
[22:19] <Guest14810> anyone have an idea why the program kmymoney is so many versions behind in the repos?
[22:19] <Xeon3D> finetundra_ : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73203
[22:20] <daftykins> packaging takes time i guess, things aren't always the latest and greatest.
[22:20] <finetundra_> Xeon3D: thanks
[22:20] <RepThis1> Does Ubuntu have a section for linux forensics? I dont have alot of proper knowledge for a thing like this and the methodology or process. This vm has been purposefully tampered with and the things i know off the bat to check are users bash history, wtmp files, trying to figure out which users are real or fake and ect. And suggested resources would be fantastic.
[22:22] <daftykins> RepThis1: probably someone that does that work for a living if it's serious :)
[22:22] <Xeon3D> finetundra_ : if that doesn't help then this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1223822
[22:23] <RepThis1> daftykins: nothing serious, just participating in a cyber defense competition. They were smart and deleted most of the bash history so it kinda puts me at a dead end. I know theres a nice scripted command like "find /directory -newer /tmp/from ! -newer /tmp/to" to find edited files within a date range but more stuff like this to know about would be awsome.
[22:23] <daftykins> that's not a legitimate task then, sorry.
[22:25] <TJ-> RepThis1: we don't have a Forensics section, but if you're doing a cyberchallenge, start with logs, timestamps of key files, hashes of installed versus package files, content of deleted blocks in the file system
[22:26] <geomyidae_> oh I know, let's try an upstart question again. How do I use initctl to stop a post-start script of a service?
[22:26] <geomyidae_> initctl stop <svc name> fails since the service isn't running... it's a task
[22:27] <TJ-> geomyidae_: what service is it?
[22:27] <geomyidae_> my own that I'm authoring.
[22:29] <TJ-> geomyidae_: pre-stop should terminate anything long-running from post-start
[22:30] <geomyidae_> so that would be `initctl pre-stop <myservice>` ? I already took more destructive actions to unblock myself.
[22:30] <mrubuntu> That time will be 15.10 available to download? :)
[22:30] <TJ-> geomyidae_: although generally, its not good practice to have background/long-running processes start in the pre/post script stanzas
[22:30] <mrubuntu> what*
[22:31] <daftykins> mrubuntu: 2 minutes past when it's done o'clock
[22:31] <geomyidae_> TJ-: it's normally not meant to be long running, it just loops until it downloads a tar and the tar url was bad. Probably a good point that it shouldn't infinite loop in that case.
[22:31] <geomyidae_> anyway, thank you! :)
[22:32] <mrubuntu> oh sorry, i forgot that in usa is still 21.10 :C
[22:33] <MonkeyDust> mrubuntu  the usa span more than 1 timezone
[22:33] <mrubuntu> can i download daily build now and tomorrow it will become stable?
[22:33] <daftykins> yes just update
[22:48] <bk_> quick question, prob been asked a million times... what time GMT is the new release going to be avaliable?
[22:48] <daftykins> bk_: when it's done o'clock
[22:51] <bk_> anyone here?
[22:52] <daftykins> bk_: yes - and when it's done o'clock
[22:52] <daftykins> as i said :)
[22:52] <bk_> no kidding
[22:52] <daftykins> if it's installed now you could just update when it's done and be current.
[22:53] <bk_> intall what? beta 2?
[22:53] <daftykins> whatever is in the topic of #ubuntu+1
[22:54] <bk_> How do I get to #ubuntu+1?
[22:54] <daftykins> "/join #ubuntu+1"
[22:54] <bk_> Is there a URL?
[22:54] <bk_> oh
[22:55] <bk_> ok daily live current cd... right?
[22:55] <daftykins> could work
[22:57] <bk_> It son't seem like may people are chatting here. Pepole just keep joining ang leaving.
[22:58] <daftykins> bk_: it's not a chat channel, it's a support channel. no chat = no questions
[22:58] <bk_> oh my bad
[22:58] <bk_> do know if there is a chat channel for ubuntu?
[23:00] <daftykins> #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:00] <bk_> thanks!
[23:14] <DaylightDandy> Hello all. Nothing original here, I have really tough issue on an acer extensa 5620Z where Ubuntu Mate 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04.02 hang at shutdown. I have disabled quiet booting and tried pretty much every acpi and reboot kernel options to no avail. It just hangs there at "Stopping disk". If anyone could help, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
[23:18] <compdoc> we only handle original problems, sorry
[23:20] <OerHeks> someone mentioned blacklisting acer-wmi for some issues..
[23:20] <OerHeks> i try to find that post.
[23:20] <DaylightDandy> compdoc, haha. Yeah, it's just that I have read so many reports/posts about that problem, I figured it's asked pretty often here :)
[23:20] <DaylightDandy> OerHeks, thanks
[23:23] <OerHeks> DaylightDandy, especially with atheros wifi cards, uefi and shutdown, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Aspire_One#ath9k_and_acer_wmi  i know this is an arch page,but applies to ubuntu also, it helped some users.
[23:24] <DaylightDandy> OerHeks, thanks a lot, I'll look into that. It's an older acer model, 2007-2008, so I'll see if it applies.
[23:28] <bp0> Mark Shuttleworth: [xerus] are fast, feisty, friendly and known for their enormous… courage.
[23:29] <bp0> Funny. http://www.wilkinsonsworld.com/wp-content/plugins/geo-mashup-custom/images/2009/12/DSC04147_wm.JPG
[23:29] <DaylightDandy> bp0, link made me laugh.
[23:30] <bp0> I think that's what he was getting at tho
[23:30] <daftykins> bp0: not on topic here.
[23:30] <bp0> its the name of next ubuntu release, announced today
[23:31] <bp0> how is it not?
[23:31] <DaylightDandy> bp0, yeah, that was on purpose.
[23:31] <daftykins> bp0: this is a support channel, you can chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:31] <daftykins> bp0: don't argue rules in future
[23:32] <reisio> yes, one should never argue rules, just do as you're told, always :D
[23:33] <daftykins> 'xactly
[23:42] <^Mike> I'm on 15.04. When I boot with recent kernels (3.19.0-31 and -32) plymouth shows the password prompt for my encrypted root partition, but typing doesn't seem to get captured -- there's no dots in the text box, and entering the correct password doesn't decrypt the volume, the boot process just hangs there. But 3.19.0-28 is ok. What debugging steps should I do next?
[23:42] <gioans> hello
[23:42] <gioans> i am a new ubuntu
[23:42] <^Mike> skynet O_O
[23:42] <gioans> goodmorning
[23:42] <gioans> ^Mike: hello
[23:43] <gioans> ^Mike hello
[23:43] <^Mike> !ask | gioans
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !mamual | gioans Good place to start
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !manual | gioans Good place to start
[23:44] <gioans> i am looking for a application for my ubuntu, it is search other device with Mac address ?
[23:44] <gioans> the same GPS
[23:45] <OerHeks> ^Mike, i have seen simular bugreports, with more issues than your encrypted login, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503647 and
[23:45] <^Mike> gioans: What's your native language?
[23:45] <daftykins> gioans: on your network? nmap
[23:46] <gioans> English
[23:46] <gioans> i am sorry, my language is Vietnamese
[23:46] <^Mike> OerHeks: that's definitely unrelated -- thanks though
[23:47] <gioans> daftykins: the software on my ubuntu
[23:47] <^Mike> hmm, no channel for Vietnamese
[23:47] <OerHeks> ^mike, the laaunchpad team considdered https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-vivid/+bug/1503704 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503655 also as related
[23:47] <daftykins> gioans: what?
[23:48] <gioans> ^Mike: i understad English
[23:48] <^Mike> OerHeks: extremely definitely not related :)
[23:48] <^Mike> gioans: OK. When we can find other people who speak the same language, people often prefer that.
[23:48] <^Mike> gioans: Can you repeat your question for me?
[23:50] <gioans> I was looking for a location search software and equipment needs through their mac address
[23:50] <covertoverdose> can you explain a little better?
[23:50] <^Mike> Sorry, I don't know about anything like that.
[23:50] <gioans> I want to change my ubuntu into a security device
[23:51] <gioans> ^Mike: don't worry about that! thanks
[23:52] <daftykins> gioans: hmm nope too hard to understand you
[23:52] <covertoverdose> i've joined mid convo so i don't know what it is you have or what you're trying to do/find out
[23:52] <^Mike> OerHeks: /this/ is it, I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1501205
[23:54] <gioans> i am Vietnamese, i know Eglish very litter!
[23:54] <maddawg2> litter?
[23:54] <maddawg2> lol
[23:54] <maddawg2> clearly
[23:54] <daftykins> well that made my night
[23:54] <covertoverdose> you may have to speak with someone who speaks your language.
[23:55] <gioans> alittle