[01:09] <humboldt> anybody there?
[01:10] <kgoetz> !anybody
[01:10] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:18] <humboldt> When I boot my LTSP gutsy thin clients, after loading the kernel via tfpt I see a message "done". then I have to wait about 4 minutes before the thing actually starts booting.
[01:18] <humboldt> what is wrong there?
[01:19] <kgoetz> not sure. could be dns or nfs (my first two guesses)
[01:19] <humboldt> I am using rom-o-matic boot roms and disks
[01:19] <humboldt> thought nfs is not used anymore.
[01:20] <humboldt> and what about dns? how is that used in there?
[01:20] <kgoetz> nfs may have been dropped - i havent used 7.10 myself
[01:26] <humboldt> how is dns involved in all this?
[01:27] <kgoetz> if th dhcp server gave out a hostname not an ip in the path to the file you could hae timeouts
[01:27] <kgoetz> afk though, lunch
[01:36] <humboldt> this is really weird
[04:45] <kgoetz> hi all. how does one go about contributin to the edubuntu docs now its in bzr? is launchpad the canonical place to checkout from for changes?
[11:15] <edistar> hey, does anyone know how i can disable the dhcpserver when booting?
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> a server? yes
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, how
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> let me check a 6.06 box... not sure about the latest release/s
[11:16] <edistar> I suppose it's the same
[11:16] <edistar> do I need to change a ltsp.conf file too? I suppose not, I will tell the dhcp server all the options needed..
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> edistar, you could remove its interfaces from /etc/default/dhcp3-server to stop it listening, use update-rc.d to remove it from startinga t all
[11:18] <edistar> okey, thanks
[12:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:43] <sbalneav> Morning Kamping_Kaiser
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> morning mate
[14:47] <sakhi> kbye
[15:14] <MasterOne> hi guys, i just installed edubuntu 7.10, and now I am trying to install the cups pdf printer, but it keeps asking for a password, and the normal user password is not accepted. any hint, what to do?
[15:18] <musashi1> does anyone know why firefox does not have a the "copy image" on the right click menu? can it be added?
[15:19] <sbalneav> MasterOne: You're doing this on the server as the admin user?
[15:20] <MasterOne> yes
[15:20] <sbalneav> musashi1: Mine has "Save image as"
[15:20] <sbalneav> I think some web pages disable image saving, maybe you're on one of those.
[15:21] <sbalneav> Well, it already has a cups pdf printer by default.
[15:21] <sbalneav> you haven't set a root password, have you?
[15:21] <RichEd> highvoltage ... pingggggg
[15:22] <MasterOne> sbalneav: this is a fresh edubuntu 7.10 installation on my LTSP5 server, but there is no printer installed by default (so also no cups pdf)
[15:23] <sbalneav> what happens if you enter, at a gnome-terminal, "gksu system-config-printer"?
[15:24] <MasterOne> problem solved :)
[15:24] <MasterOne> thanks sbalneav
[15:24] <LaserJock> RichEd: geeze, that ping was so loud it woke me up ;-)
[15:25] <RichEd> LaserJock: it resonated across the oceanic divide and the general internet echo
[15:25] <MasterOne> my fault, I wasn't logged in as the sysadmin, but as my testuser (who I also granted sysadmin rights, but who's main group is not sysadmin, but users)
[15:26] <RichEd> LaserJock: sorry if i disturbed your "I'm avoiding my dissertation nap"
[15:27] <LaserJock> RichEd: no it was my "I don't wanna go to group meeting, mom, please can I stay in bed"
[15:27] <RichEd> LaserJock: one of them AA things again ?
[15:28] <musashi1> sbalneav: we have the save as too but not the copy image. i know some sites disable it but firefox doesn't have the copy image for any images. it's just missing altogether.
[15:31] <MasterOne> does the folder "public" in my homedir have a special meaning? i just tried copying a file into that folder, but it does not show up when looking into that folder from another user account
[15:36] <sbalneav> musashi1: I've never seen "copy image", just save image as,
[15:37] <sbalneav> MasterOne: No idea
[15:39] <MasterOne> is there a preferred method, to share files on an edubuntu LTSP5 server installation for all connected thin client users?
[15:47] <musashi1> sbalneav: right, that's the problem. firefox in wondows has this but it seems absent in ubuntu. in some ways it's good since students shouldn't be copying images anyway but the reality is that they do and since they have to save everything it only adds to the percerption that the linux lab isn't as good. i'm trying to fight that perception.
[15:48] <bddebian> Heya
[15:53] <sbalneav> musashi1: Well, I don't know anything about the windows version, seeing as how I haven't used windows since '99
[15:53] <sbalneav> If it's a feature you want, check on the firefox site.
[15:56] <sbalneav> MasterOne: Probably set up a shared directory, /home/share
[16:16] <LaserJock> RichEd: you guys figure out what to do with the LiveCD?
[16:16] <sbalneav> We're in the spec now
[16:16] <MasterOne> is it a known issue, that mplayer is not working on edubuntu 7.10?
[16:16] <sbalneav> But no-ones talking.
[16:16] <RichEd> LaserJock: this session now ... waiting for one mr colin watson
[16:16] <MasterOne> I meant edubuntu 7.10 64bit installation
[16:16] <LaserJock> ah
[16:17] <RichEd> who has just stepped in
[16:17] <sbalneav> MasterOne: mplayer isn't installed by default, it's totem that we support.
[16:17] <MasterOne> I know, I just installed mplayer in addition with automatix
[16:18] <LaserJock> ouch :-/
[16:18] <sbalneav> Automatix DEFINITELY isn't supported.
[16:18] <MasterOne> yes?
[16:18] <MasterOne> is that a bad thing?
[16:18] <sbalneav> Most of us think so.
[16:18] <MasterOne> hm
[16:18] <LaserJock> sbalneav: supposedly there's a "how to make Automatix and Ubuntu  play nicely" BOF this time
[16:18] <MasterOne> at least it was the fastest way to install all missing av codex
[16:19] <sbalneav> Yeah, I've seen it.
[16:19] <sbalneav> Didn't bother to go.
[16:19] <LaserJock> MasterOne: it has been known to cause serious problems for some people, and in the past did very uncool things
[16:19] <LaserJock> I've heard that the more recent versions are not so evil
[16:20] <LaserJock> but if you want to get support don't mention you've installed Automatix ;-)
[16:20] <MasterOne> latest version is available for gutsy and also as amd64 edition
[16:20] <LaserJock> MasterOne: it's actually probably not the easiest way
[16:20] <LaserJock> btw
[16:20] <LaserJock> almost all the stuff in Automatix can easily be done in Gutsy
[16:21] <MasterOne> nevertheless, seems like mplayer 2:1.0rc1-0ubuntu13 is broken (when starting gmplayer it just segfaults)
[16:21] <sbalneav> Well, it's not a package in "main", but in "Universe", so it's supported by the community, not via official channels.
[16:22] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ?!?!
[16:22] <LaserJock>  #ubuntu-motu isn't official?
[16:22] <LaserJock> :-)
[16:22] <sbalneav> Well, it's not main
[16:22] <LaserJock> so?
[16:22] <LaserJock> that just means Canonical doesn't support it
[16:22] <sbalneav> right.
[16:22] <sbalneav> That's what I mean.
[16:22] <sbalneav> it's supported by the community
[16:23] <MasterOne> LaserJock: i just installed edubuntu 7.10 in my intended xeon LTSP5 server, and I am now testing thin client behavior, totem was complaining about a missing codec for my HDTV test, and it didn't want to download the missing codec, so I just used automatix, which seems to have done the job
[16:23] <LaserJock> an official community
[16:23] <LaserJock> MasterOne: ok, but now mplayer is messing up?
[16:23] <sbalneav> Ok, so the "official community" has to fix it :)
[16:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: thanks ;-)
[16:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: fine MOTU you'd make :p
[16:25] <MasterOne> LaserJock: I think I just ticked the "64bit Mplayer Firefox Plugin" option in automatix, which installed mplayer, it installed without a problem, but when I just tried to test it by running gmplayer in a terminal window, it just outputs some info in the console and then segfaults
[16:25] <sbalneav> What, so if I get motu, I'm automatically responsible for EVERY package in universe?
[16:25] <MasterOne> just wanted to know if this is a known issue
[16:26] <sbalneav> MasterOne: Have you checked Launchpad for mplayer bugs?
[16:26] <sbalneav> I don't use it, so I don't know.
[16:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: actually yes
[16:27] <LaserJock> sbalneav: MOTUs are responsible for all of Universe and Multiverse
[16:28] <sbalneav> So, an individual motu doesn't just care for his/her own packages that they package?
[16:28] <LaserJock> not particularly no
[16:28] <LaserJock> there are no maintainers in Ubuntu
[16:28] <LaserJock> we co-maintain the whole thing
[16:29] <LaserJock> sometimes people attach themselves to particular packages or areas
[16:29] <LaserJock> but any MOTU can upload any package
[16:30] <sbalneav> I understand that, but if there's a bug with mplayer, there'll be ONE or maybe a few motus out there who will be interested/responsible for fixing the bug.
[16:30] <LaserJock> actually
[16:30] <LaserJock> these days it's more likely to be just some random person
[16:30] <LaserJock> MOTUs are more into the sponsorship game these days
[16:31] <LaserJock> MasterOne: I'm looking through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/
[16:32] <LaserJock> there are 84 open bugs so I'm not sure what to look for exactly
[16:32] <LaserJock> but perhaps you can find it
[16:33] <MasterOne> no idea, when I start gmplayer in a terminal windows, I just get:
[16:33] <MasterOne> $ gmplayer
[16:33] <MasterOne> MPlayer 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
[16:33] <MasterOne> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz (Family: 15, Model: 4, Stepping: 1)
[16:33] <MasterOne> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
[16:33] <MasterOne> Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
[16:33] <MasterOne> xscreensaver_disable: Could not find XScreenSaver window.
[16:33] <MasterOne> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:33] <sbalneav> Now that the codecs are installed, can you use totem?
[16:34] <MasterOne> when I try to start mplayer with the file to play in a terminal window, it just ends the output with something like:
[16:34] <MasterOne> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: preinit_libvo
[16:34] <MasterOne> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[16:35] <sbalneav> Can you try totem?
[16:35] <MasterOne> is it possible, that this has something to do with the fact, that I am trying to run this from a thin client?
[16:35] <MasterOne> totem works
[16:35] <sbalneav> ok
[16:36] <sbalneav> So, totem works, and is what edubuntu officially ships with, so I'd either recommend to use totem, or check in #ubuntu-motu if you want to get mplayer going.
[16:38] <MasterOne> just strange, I don't even want to use mplayer, but I thought I test the behavior on the thin client, when playing a 1080i file
[16:39] <LaserJock> what codecs where you looking for?
[16:40] <MasterOne> no idea, what was missing before, but it was fixed by the codecs installation from automatix
[16:41] <LaserJock> yeah, I find that ubuntu-restricted-extras gets pretty much everything
[16:42] <LaserJock> and it's even easier than automatix ;-)
[16:43] <musashi1> sbalneav: some of us aren't so lucky and have to use windows at work. i'll check firefox site. thanks for the suggestion
[16:44] <MasterOne> may be a stupid question, but wha's ubuntu-restricted-extras? is this an additional repo to add?
[16:44] <LaserJock> no
[16:45] <LaserJock> we created an package call ubuntu-restricted-extras that install the "goodies" that people want
[16:45] <MasterOne> something "restricted" is already activated in synaptic
[16:45] <MasterOne> oh
[16:45] <LaserJock> it does Flash, Java, DVDs, mp3s, etc.
[16:46] <LaserJock> the thing is, we *have* most of the codecs already in the repos
[16:46] <LaserJock> people just don't find them immediatly or don't think to look cause they assume we don't have them
[16:46] <MasterOne> well, ubuntu-restricted-extras is already installed (may have been done by automatix)
[16:46] <LaserJock> could be
[16:47] <LaserJock> in any case, it's a good package to remember
[16:47] <LaserJock> and in fact, with gusy I think you can install it  by going to apt://ubuntu-restricted-extras in firefox
[16:47] <LaserJock> *gutsy
[16:48] <MasterOne> I am actually just playing around on my testinstall, it's a dual xeon 3.2 em64t LTSP5 server, and my test thin-client is my laptop, and I am trying to find out, if it is possible to play HDTV content up to 1080p on the thin-client
[16:48] <MasterOne> 720p seems to work fine
[16:49] <MasterOne> but I seem to not have a proper 1080i and 1080p test file
[16:49] <MasterOne> also the LCD on my laptop is actually only 1600x1200
[16:49] <LaserJock> pfft
[16:49] <LaserJock> mine is 1024x768 I think :/
[16:50] <MasterOne> it would be so cool if a thin client without hdd (and the only moving part being the case fan) could be used to feed a LCD TV or video projector ;)
[17:00] <sbalneav> lunch
[17:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: Pongggggg... (leaving again in a minute)
[17:02] <dtrask> Hi Laserjock and highvoltage!
[17:06] <highvoltage> dtrask: hi! got to run now, will catch up with you a bit later!!!
[17:47] <Nubae> hey there, its probably late, but I'll try my luck asking anyway....
[17:48] <Nubae> I've got 2 chroots running, and when I load a cdrom etherboot cd , the nbd server gives it the wrong image every time...
[17:48] <Nubae> it should be giving it an image based on the nbdport I thought, but now I'm just not sure...
[17:56] <humbolto> I am having a problem with gutsy LTSP.
[17:56] <Nubae> doh! of course... by default its gonna load on port 2000
[17:57] <Nubae> unless I change the cdroms pxe path
[17:57] <humbolto> The boot process seems to stop for about 5 minutes right after tftp download is finished.
[17:58] <humbolto> anybody any idea?
[18:03] <humbolto> is ogra around?
[18:10] <humbolto> does anybody have some insights on the ltsp boot process?
[18:15] <sbalneav> humbolto: Yup, I do.
[18:20] <sbalneav> What would you like to know?
[18:27] <humbolto> I upgraded from edgy to feisty. I am booting from rom-o-matic roms and disk images. Now, after the image is loaded via tftp I see the DONE message and then nothing happens for about 4 minutes.
[18:28] <humbolto> After that time, it boots up normally.
[18:28] <humbolto> So I would like to find out, what is wrong.
[18:28] <humbolto> There must be some timeout or something.
[18:29] <humbolto> sbalneav: It would already help me losts, if I could get the kernel to boot verbosely. Then maybe I can see, where it hangs.
[18:31] <sbalneav> Well, there should be a kernel command line option.
[18:31] <sbalneav> I know where it is for pxe
[18:32] <humbolto> Any idea what could cause the delay?
[18:32] <sbalneav> it's in the /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[18:33] <sbalneav> So, it gets the kernel? and then delays?  Or it's delaying before the download.
[18:33] <humbolto> I have a custom dhcpd.conf, but with all the options that come with ltsp-server-standalone
[18:33] <sbalneav> can you paste the dhcpd.conf file to the pastebin?
[18:33] <sbalneav> !pastebin
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[18:33] <humbolto> no, it shows lots of ....... for the tftp download then DONE and than nothing.
[18:38] <Nubae> funny... I get the same thing on some of my clients
[18:38] <Nubae> just 3 or 4 out of 50 though
[18:38] <Nubae> eventually they load up
[18:43] <humbolto> sbalneav: dhcpd.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43034/
[18:48] <humbolto> Nubae: how do you boot the clients in question? rom/disk/pxe?
[18:50] <sbalneav> root-path shouldn't have an ip address on it.
[18:50] <sbalneav> it's not used with LTSP5
[18:52] <humbolto> sbalneav: did not have it fist. Just put it in there, because it was in an older config, which worked. So I also had the problem without the IP.
[18:54] <humbolto> Do I need to specify anything in lts.conf?
[18:55] <humbolto> If I want to leave everything at auto.
[18:57] <sbalneav> The default lts.conf should be fine.
[18:59] <humbolto> sbalneav: the default is empty except for the version information
[19:01] <Nubae> cdrom
[19:09] <musashi1> sbalneav: re the firefox and copy image menu, it seems it's been filed as a bug but not likely to get fixed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/20036
[19:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 20036 in firefox "Contextual menu item 'copy image' inexistent" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[19:10] <sbalneav> Right, it's a mozilla/firefox issue
[19:10] <sbalneav> so if they don't implement it, we don't have it :)
[19:12] <musashi1> seems so. kind of annoying. is there another "good" option for a browser on edubuntu? epiphany? never used it so not sure.
[19:12] <musashi1> firefox is kind of a resource hog anyway
[19:12] <sbalneav> Epiphany's ok, but it's using the gecko engine, same as firefox.
[19:13] <musashi1> oh
[19:13] <sbalneav> In hardy, Epiphany will switch over to webkit
[19:13] <sbalneav> which will be lighter weight.
[19:13] <musashi1> that sounds like a good plan
[19:13] <musashi1> any other options for short term?
[19:14] <sbalneav> Lots.  Konqueror, opera, links2, etc.
[19:15] <musashi1> well, konqueror and opera are probably no better than firefox (maybe worse). or do you think one of them would be a good option for a thin client lab. i don't know links2. i'll check it out
[19:16] <sbalneav> Well, there's nothing wrong with firefox, other than it doesn't have your copy feature.
[19:18] <JordanC> Yes
[19:18] <musashi1> true, but for a lot of what teachers are using the lab for it's a point agaist a lab they don't like on principle. they "look" for reasons to complain. i'm trying to reduce the reasons :)
[19:21] <sbalneav> So putting in something wildly different will generate less complaints than something very close to what they're used to execpt for one minor feature? :)
[19:22] <musashi1> good point. probably not. i was just looking to give them options. "if you don't like that, try this" kind of approach.
[19:22] <humbolto> sbalneav, Nubae: Do you guys have any suggestion on where I could start looking to resolve this issue?
[19:23] <humbolto> sbalneav: Nubae: And can the lts.conf file really be empty or do I need at least a SERVER=x.x.x.x in there?
[19:23] <bryang> musashi1, it does seem to be very dependent on the site serving the images
[19:24] <musashi1> bryang: i think it's missing in firefox altogether. there is a bug report
[19:24] <musashi1> though more a missing feature than a bug
[19:24] <sbalneav> SERVER=x would help, humbolto
[19:26] <bryang> musashi1, fwiw, filed the gutsy install issue/bug -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/159526
[19:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159526 in ltsp "Edubuntu 7.10 install fails on system with 3 NICs" [Undecided,New]
[19:28] <musashi1> bryang: did you need the syslog from that install? or did i give it to you
[19:29] <bryang> you did give me the syslog (and included the relevant snippet in bug report)
[19:29] <musashi1> okay
[19:30] <musashi1> bryang: some did ask for more info. do we have it?
[19:31] <bryang> ah, yes, will supply the whole file, sorry, didn't see the follow-up
[19:32] <bryang> this the installer syslog, right ?
[19:32] <bryang> s/the/was/
[19:33] <bryang> musashi1: /var/log/installer/syslog, right ?
[19:33] <musashi1> uh, no. just /var/log/syslog i think
[19:35] <musashi1> didn't save dmesg
[19:35]  * bryang nods
[19:47] <musashi1> shoot, went to get some pics of the lab and first time in two days no one is there :(
[19:48] <bryang> any good/bad comments from today ?
[19:49] <musashi1> not really. same classes as yesterday. they seem to like it but complain about it being different. ot, but dispite what teachers believe, most students are NOT tech literate.
[19:49] <musashi1> at least not in this building
[19:49] <bryang> i did notice that more yesterday when there
[19:50] <musashi1> thanks to ms, if a certain sequence of clicks doesn't do what they want they are lost
[19:51] <musashi1> tobacco companies were sued for damaging public health, ms should be sued for damaging tech literacy :)
[19:51] <bryang> heh
[19:51] <musashi1> i just started installing all the supported ed apps. hope that's okay
[19:52] <bryang> oh, ya, apt-get on ;)
[19:52] <musashi1> should have installed by default. not sure why they didn't
[19:52] <bryang> prolly no room on cd (tis why there's a 2nd one, iirc)
[19:52] <musashi1> maybe, but it asked for the cd when i tried to install them
[19:52] <musashi1> something is obviously there
[19:53] <bryang> nope, the cd is still in /etc/apt/sources.list, you can delete with the software sources GUI
[19:53]  * bryang or vi/gedit/... of course ;)
[19:53] <musashi1> i though it did that on it's own.
[19:54] <musashi1> i still need to test the local media stuff too. seems inconsistent
[19:54] <bryang> does comment, but also leaves one in place too
[20:34] <LaserJock> RichEd: still around?
[20:37] <stgraber> LaserJock: he has just left de room, but his laptop is still here so he'll be back soon :)
[20:38] <LaserJock> k
[20:41] <leonard> Hi
[20:42] <leonard> I just have a quick question: If I install edubuntu on parallels on my mac, what option should I use? In other words, what form of linux os is it? There is no listing for edubuntu...
[20:42] <scrapbunny> hello, i am having a problem with tux paint and tux math freezing on my thin clients I am testing out. are there any fixes for this?
[20:42] <leonard> there is redhat
[20:42] <leonard> debian
[20:42] <leonard> suse
[20:42] <leonard> etc...
[20:42] <leonard> anyone know of a solution?
[20:42] <stgraber> debian
[20:43] <stgraber> (if there is no ubuntu)
[20:43] <leonard> ok-thanks a lot :D
[20:43] <leonard> sorry for logging off so quickly-did you change something?
[20:43] <leonard> you said to use debian?
[20:43] <leonard> is that right?
[20:43] <stgraber> yes, if there is no ubuntu in the list
[20:43] <leonard> ok
[20:44] <leonard> thanks
[20:44] <leonard> :D
[20:44] <stgraber> np
[20:51] <RichEd> LaserJock: am now
[20:53] <LaserJock> RichEd: so, how'd the DesktopCD discussion go?
[20:53] <RichEd> LaserJock: well in principle
[20:54] <LaserJock> hmm, that sounds like a "but in practice ..." :-)
[20:54] <scrapbunny> any fixes for tux math and tux paint freezing?
[20:55] <LaserJock> scrapbunny: they're both doing it?
[20:57] <scrapbunny> yea first tux paint frooze and I tried tux math and it froze
[20:57] <LaserJock> on Gutsy?
[20:57] <scrapbunny> I only have 3 clients up pxe booting from edubuntu 7.10
[20:59] <scrapbunny> i am trying to see which programs have sound and run best before I add more clients
[21:04] <outofrange> Should a default 7.10 server install have NFS?  Looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup and I don't have etc/exports on my server.
[21:08] <Burgundavia> no, it doesn't
[21:08] <Burgundavia> you need to install nfs-kernel-server
[21:09] <LaserJock> scrapbunny: so this is on gutsy thin clients that they freeze?
[21:09] <LaserJock> scrapbunny: and when do they freeze?
[21:10] <outofrange> Doesn't looks like I'll have any luck anyway,  I can get the Server CD to boot in the G4, but the Desktop Live CD hangs.  And I think I need the live CD to install the powerpc environment on my i386 server.
[21:12] <LaserJock> why do you need a Desktop CD?
[21:13] <outofrange> I need to boot a powerpc machine to build the /opt/ltsp/powerpc on the i386 server so I can boot my powerpc thin clients.
[21:13] <outofrange> At least I think that's what I need.;)
[21:15] <scrapbunny> laserjock- yes gutsy clients and I can't see a pattern to when they freeze. they will work for 20 minutes sometimes, 40 minutes other times
[21:16] <LaserJock> scrapbunny: hmmm, that's hard to debug
[21:18] <scrapbunny> are there certain programs that run better on thin client set ups?
[21:18] <scrapbunny> or don't run well?
[21:18] <LaserJock> hmm, the only things I've really heard of are really CPU intenstive things
[21:18] <LaserJock> like if everybody goes to a Flash site or something and it bogs down the server
[21:20] <scrapbunny> so tux math and typing and paint should be ok to run on 32 stations from one server right?
[21:22] <LaserJock> I think so
[21:22] <LaserJock> as long as the server is got enough resources
[21:22] <LaserJock> you're not going to want to put it on a 1GHZ P4 with 256MB of RAM ;-)
[21:29] <humbolto> which inetd daemon to use in combination with LTSP?
[21:29] <humbolto> can I use xinetd and openbsd-inetd in parallel?
[21:32] <scrapbunn1> sorry, internet dies
[21:36] <outofrange> Ok, so I found a spare hard drive and I'm installing 7.10 on a G4.  When I'm done can I just copy /opt/ltsp/powerpc to my (real) i386 ltsp server?
[21:37] <LaserJock> that seems a bit excessive to me
[21:38] <outofrange> WHich part?  installing the server?
[21:38] <LaserJock> well, ltsp only needs a minimal Ubuntu installtion
[21:39] <outofrange> Well, all I have is the Edubuntu Server and Desktop cds.
[21:39] <outofrange> And the Desktop Live CD won't boot
[21:39] <LaserJock> hmm, there's no option for ltsp-build-client to build a ppc chroot?
[21:40] <outofrange> Not that I'm aware of, but I'm new to LTSP.
[21:40] <humbolto> I have a weird weird issue with LTSP booting in gutsy!
[21:41] <humbolto> After the tftp nib.img download, which ends with "...... done" nothing is happening for about 5 minutes.
[21:46] <LaserJock> it's probably good to email edubuntu-users guys
[21:47] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu Developer Summit is just wrapping up so ogra and some of the other LTSP guys are not here at the moment
[21:47] <LaserJock> I'm of virtually 0 use with LTSP unfortunately
[22:37] <purpleposeidon> You can plug a usb drive into a thin client, and it will be shown on the server, right?
[22:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should show on the client
[22:39] <purpleposeidon> What about other USB devices?
[22:39] <lns__> can anyone tell me why lts.conf "RCFILE_XX" wouldn't work in Gutsy?
[22:39] <lns__> i have "RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix.sh" in lts.conf (located in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386)
[22:40] <lns__> with ipaqsoundfix located at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d
[22:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> purpleposeidon, not sure.
[22:40] <lns__> and it does not get executed upon thin-client boot
[22:40] <purpleposeidon> Kamping_Kaiser: What is it that makes that happen?
[22:40] <lns__> sorry.. s/ipaqsoundfix/ipaqsoundfix.sh
[22:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> purpleposeidon, not sure, i havent used 7.10