[00:03] <sarnold> mwhudson: hmm. I've got sshebang installed, and that dehashes ssh hostnames; and I probably had liquidprompt installed and running then, too, which would fiddle with PS1; I'm not sure what else in my local environment is all that 'funny'
[00:04] <mwhudson> sarnold: anyway, as to why this doesn't happen all the time, dunno
[00:05] <mwhudson> sarnold: we do get people to reboot after upgrade but i don't know why things don't break during upgrade more
[00:07] <sarnold> mwhudson: certainly, some of my machines go a very long time between reboots..
[00:10] <mwhudson> sarnold: ah ha! copying my sshebanged .ssh into the container got me a repro
[00:12] <mwhudson> sarnold: how how do i debug this :/
[00:13] <sarnold> mwhudson: sheeeesh, beats me, this is well into magic territory as far as I'm concerned :)
[00:30] <mwhudson> oh it's ~ expansion
[00:30] <mwhudson> maybe?
[01:16] <mwhudson> yes it is
[01:17] <mwhudson> i have _no_ idea how it doesn't cause problems on update though
[01:23] <sarnold> I'm still not entirely sure how my setup gets around to calling into a pthread initializer in a long-lived process over and over again..
[01:23] <sarnold> but it feels like that configuration is already pretty rare
[01:23] <sarnold> (despite how quickly and easily I hit it :)
[01:25] <sarnold> and if most tunables never get changed from their default values, re-arranged tunables is probably invisible -- if all the bytes in a block are zeros, does it matter in which order you read ints, long ints, chars, etc? they're all zero...
[01:25] <sarnold> actually changing the type of one, and having it stored juuuuuust right to then stomp over a canary, feels pretty unlikely too
[01:28] <mwhudson> sarnold: tilde expansion does nss things, that dlopen libnss_systemd, which depends on libpthread
[01:29] <mwhudson> (and also tunables don't all default to zero, unfortunately)
[01:33] <sarnold> mwhudson: hmm... how did that not kill my shell dead? does bash fork itself while doing these things?
[01:34] <mwhudson> sarnold: if you start a shell, upgrade libc and then execute "echo ~a" that kills the shell
[01:35] <mwhudson> sarnold: in the completion case it must be happening off in a subprocess somewhere
[01:35] <mwhudson> if you start a shell, execute "echo ~a" and then upgrade libc everything continues to work, of course
[01:35] <mwhudson> "of course" should be in quotes there
[01:35] <mwhudson> eep gotta run
[01:35] <sarnold> happy running :)
[09:21] <schopin> Hi all! Could a good soul retry this build? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/socat/<IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu3/+build/22446936
[09:28] <GunnarHj> schopin: Retried
[09:32] <schopin> Thank you!
[09:49] <schopin> Hi! There a package in the archive that has a .orig.tar.gz.asc that doesn't match its orig tarball. I checked upstream and it's our (well, Debian's) orig tarball that has been changed, switching the UID and GID of the files to root
[09:49] <schopin> How can I fix it?
[10:15] <ginggs> schopin: which package?
[10:16] <schopin> eggdrop
[10:16] <schopin> I checked in Debian, and they have the same problem.
[10:25] <schopin> Looking for a sponsor for LP: #1945812. OpenSSL related, but it's a server-related package
[10:28] <ginggs> schopin: re eggdrop, I think file a bug against debian, but just rm the .asc file locally before uploading
[10:30] <schopin> OK, will do.
[10:51] <shailangsa> does anybody know whether higher RAM frequency in contrast to lower timings result in better build times?
[11:04] <schopin> shailangsa: do you mean something like 3200MHz/CL16 vs 3600MHz/CL18 ?
[11:06] <shailangsa> yes or more specifically 3600 mhz c16 vs 4400 c19?
[11:10] <schopin> The latter one will result in lower RAM latency (19 cycles at 4400MHz is faster than 16 cycles at 3600MHz) but I'm not sure how big an impact it has on your typical compilation workload.
[11:14] <shailangsa> does it make a difference whether 4x16GB 4400mhz DDR is used? motherboard says "dual channel" not sure what that means https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-WIFI-DDR4/Specification
[16:44] <ahasenack> Unit193: hi
[16:44] <ahasenack> Unit193: I'm working on the wireguard MIR in ubuntu
[16:45] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireguard/+bug/1950317
[16:45] <ahasenack> which spawned two other tickets I'm also working on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireguard/+bug/1952767 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireguard/+bug/1952102
[16:45] <ahasenack> I'll put these up for review soon, and would like to add you as a reviewer
[16:46] <ahasenack> and, when this gets promoted to main, we would of course still love to have you work on the package, so what do you think about applying at least for a PPU (per package uploader) for it?
[18:04] <schopin> Still looking for a sponsor for LP: #1945812 :)
[18:42] <jawn-smith> schopin: I'll take a look!
[18:42] <schopin> aha!
[18:56] <jawn-smith> schopin: uploaded :)
[18:56] <schopin> Nice!
[19:55] <dbungert> This retest link should pull pyqt5 from proposed, right?  https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=armhf&package=pyqt5&trigger=python3-defaults/3.9.7-4&trigger=node-jquery/3.5.1%2Bdfsg%2B~3.5.5-8  I ask because it's the link from the retest button beside the non-proposed version of the package, but the wiki makes it sound like these retests pull the proposed package.
[20:06] <jawn-smith> dbungert: I _think_ so
[20:07] <dbungert> jawn-smith: care to use your new powers? ;)
[20:07] <jawn-smith> dbungert: test request submitted :)
[20:08] <dbungert> one more please, different package https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=ppc64el&package=skimage&trigger=python3-defaults/3.9.7-4&trigger=matplotlib/3.5.0-2&trigger=scipy/1.7.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pillow/8.4.0-1&trigger=node-jquery/3.5.1%2Bdfsg%2B~3.5.5-8
[20:09] <jawn-smith> dbungert: done
[20:09] <dbungert> jawn-smith: thanks x2
[20:36] <dbungert> Retest click please?  Just passed on ppc64el https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=armhf&package=skimage&trigger=python3-defaults/3.9.7-4&trigger=matplotlib/3.5.0-2&trigger=scipy/1.7.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pillow/8.4.0-1&trigger=node-jquery/3.5.1%2Bdfsg%2B~3.5.5-8
[20:43] <bdmurray> that's done
[20:52] <dbungert> bdmurray: thanks!  (and RikMills also)
[21:46] <Unit193> ahasenack: Howdy!  Re: LP #1952102, not sure how well you know Debian's autopkgtest setup, but it doesn't do full VM so as it is src:wireguard-linux-compat's autopkgtests aren't run, and this wouldn't likely be either (I'm presuming you'd require isolation-machine restriction.)  That doesn't mean it couldn't be merged upstream in Debian, but it would have limited usefulness in doing so.  I'd presume
[21:46] <Unit193> you've already seen https://sources.debian.org/src/wireguard-linux-compat/1.0.20210606-1/debian/tests/netns-mini/ of course.  I could do PPU, but not sure about the timing of things right now.
[21:49] <dbungert> jawn-smith: the test we triggered for pyqt5 did pull the NONproposed version of the package.  Maybe this one is better? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=armhf&package=pyqt5&trigger=pyqt5/5.15.6+dfsg-1&trigger=python3-defaults/3.9.7-4&trigger=node-jquery/3.5.1%2Bdfsg%2B~3.5.5-8
[21:51] <jawn-smith> dbungert: that looks to me like it should work
[21:51] <jawn-smith> I'll go ahead and start it
[21:54] <jawn-smith> That's giving me a "Malformed trigger" error. Time to defer to bdmurray
[21:54] <ahasenack> Unit193: ah, I didn't know debian didn't do isolation-machine
[21:57] <ahasenack> Unit193: we can still add it to debian, so the moment they implement isolation-machine, they would get the test
[22:01] <jawn-smith> dbungert: got it working, just had to escape the + symbol in the URL as %2B
[22:31] <mwhudson> yes constructing trigger urls is a great way to learn the url escaping rules


[01:06] <bkerensa> Wow http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/linux-mint-swap-banshee-affiliate-code-take-100-of-profits/
[04:06] <blkperl> so how do i make chroot environment?
[04:28] <bkerensa> :D
[04:28] <bkerensa> blkperl: Depends on what you wanna make it on? Cloud or your own laptop?
[05:09] <MarkDude> bkerensa, I was just thinking about it
[05:09] <MarkDude> IF I had to call one person- to see what the deal was in tech- or foss
[05:09] <MarkDude> Like in a rumor, or developing stuff
[05:09] <MarkDude> I would call you
[05:10] <MarkDude> Since you know stuff
[05:10] <MarkDude> True.
[05:14] <MarkDude> And you know I have other tech folks number in my phone ;)
[08:02] <kees> blkperl: see wiki.debian.org/mk-sbuild
[08:23] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Heh the only stuf I know is what is available to me in feed :)
[08:23] <bkerensa> Netvibes for the win
[08:56] <MarkDude> Ok, well
[08:56] <MarkDude> In other words, you are well informed
[08:56] <MarkDude> case closed.
[08:57] <MarkDude> Much of my info is from Twit network
[08:57] <MarkDude> And maybe 404 podcast from cnet
[09:21] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I need to re-add 404
[09:21] <bkerensa> :D


[01:21] <Ampelbein> hi there. is there anything that can be done about the non-updating bugwatches for GNOME and sf?
[01:56] <rockstar> Ampelbein, most of the bugs folks are sleeping, but you can always ask a question.
[01:58] <Ampelbein> rockstar: well, i don't know what i could do, that's why i asked. ;-) i don't see a "retry bugwatch" button here.
[02:05] <rockstar> Ampelbein, no, I meant ask a Question, as in the proper noun.
[02:10] <kiko> Ampelbein, you should ask gmb when he's awake, but I will ask him -- can you give me an example bug #?
[02:14] <Ampelbein> kiko: 228309 for example.
[02:15] <Ampelbein> kiko: or bug 360598 - here the bugwatch actually has no warning-sign yet the status is unupdated.
[02:15] <jkakar> Hrm, maybe I'm blind but I seem to consistently have a very hard time finding the link to a project's PPA(s) from the main overview page for a project.
[02:15] <Ampelbein> kiko: (those were both GNOME ones) bug 333620 is sf.net
[02:16] <wgrant> jkakar: Projects don't have PPAs.
[02:16] <jkakar> wgrant: Oh, right.  Crap.
[02:16] <wgrant> jkakar: People (and teams) do.
[02:16] <jkakar> wgrant: That just feels like so much of the implementation leaking out... when I (as a user) think of, for example, finding the PPA for Gwibber I don't think of the gwibber-team team, I think of the project.
[02:17] <wgrant> jkakar: You would think so, wouldn't you.
[02:17] <wgrant> Perhaps the upcoming Registry work on linking teams and projects will alleviate this.
[02:17] <jkakar> wgrant: I use Launchpad every day, including PPAs (though I don't use them daily)... the fact that this is confusing for me probably means it's impossible for casual visitors to figure out.
[02:18] <wgrant> jkakar: Mhm.
[02:22] <jkakar> I'm seeing this when I run 'bzr update' in my local checkout: Format <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for lp-140228062795280:///~autoppa/autoppa/trunk/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance
[02:22] <jkakar> Should I run 'bzr upgrade lp:~autoppa/autoppa/trunk'?
[02:22] <wgrant> Yes.
[02:22] <jkakar> wgrant: Great, thanks.
[02:22] <wgrant> That's a nice old branch you have there.
[02:24] <jkakar> Aye. :)
[05:19] <bgranger> I am trying to register a series for the IPython project
[05:19] <thumper> ok
[05:20] <bgranger> I am one of the drivers, but there is no "Register series" link on the main page.
[05:20] <bgranger> I know what it looks like because I am the owner of another project (pyxg)
[05:20] <thumper> hmm...
[05:20] <bgranger> Is there something wrong with my permissions that prevents me from seeing this?
[05:24] <wgrant> It's probably only the owner (or Maintainer or Registrant, depending on where you look) that can create series.
[05:27] <bgranger> The lp docs say...
[05:27] <bgranger> To create a series, provided you're either the project's owner or driver, click Register a series in the Series and milestones section of your project overview page.
[05:29] <wgrant> That documentation doesn't match the implementation, then.
[05:29] <wgrant> (I just tested - the driver can't add a series)
[05:30] <thumper> bug!
[05:30] <bgranger> Thanks for checking this.  At least I know what is wrong and I can have our owner ahndle this.
[05:30] <bgranger> Should I file a bug report?
[05:32] <wgrant> A bug report would be good, I suspect.
[05:32] <bgranger> OK, thanks
[05:32] <wgrant> I don't see why a driver shouldn't be able to do it.
[05:32] <bgranger> I sure *need* to be able to
[06:02] <kkubasik> Hey, does anyone know what the commercial launchpad accounts run?
[06:05] <spm> kkubasik: I'm not sure I understand the question? what do you mean by "the commercial launchpad accounts run?" ?
[06:06] <kkubasik> I know that it is possible to purchase a launchpad account for hosting closed-source code
[06:07] <kkubasik> I was wondering if anyone knew what that cost
[06:08] <spm> kkubasik: $250 USD p/y. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[06:08] <kkubasik> spm:  many thanks
[06:08] <spm> np
[06:08] <kkubasik> =/ sad its so pricy
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> Hi guys
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> When I login to my launchpad profile,I find that I lost 10,000 karma's.What happened?
[06:35] <thumper> karma degrades over time
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> why?
[06:36] <thumper> to give weight to recent activity
[06:36] <vikashkoushik> didn't get you clearly
[06:36] <thumper> karma is an indication of recent launchpad activity, not all historical launchpad activity
[06:38] <vikashkoushik> i'm trying to become a member of ubuntu
[06:38] <thumper> well if it helps, my karma has gone down 40k recently
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> during the meeting,they may not be convinced when they see my lauch pad profile
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> wow
[06:39] <thumper> those that decide know that karma degrades
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> hmm......
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> thanks dude
[06:43] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: we look at long term contributions
[06:44] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: karma is one aspect
[06:44] <lifeless> long term *sustained* contributions
[06:44] <vikashkoushik> you can see my wiki page if you want
[06:44] <lifeless> a spurt of lots of contribution and then nothing is not as good an indicator as moderate contribution on a long term basis
[06:44] <vikashkoushik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/S.Vikash Koushik
[06:44] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: not really :)
[06:44] <vikashkoushik> include Koushik
[06:45] <lifeless> the point is that the wiki page is just to document what you have been doing; if you have been contributing in a sustained way its very easy for us
[06:45] <vikashkoushik> i did a demo in front of 4 schools & distributed CD's to everyone there
[06:46] <lifeless> thats a single contribution
[06:46] <lifeless> its good
[06:46] <lifeless> but we're looking for the long term
[06:46] <vikashkoushik> Since Jan
[06:46] <vikashkoushik> thats about 4 months
[06:46] <lifeless> few people that have been contributing for only 4 months reach member status via the regional boards
[06:46] <vikashkoushik> didn't it say 2months on the web page
[06:46] <lifeless> don't be discouraged
[06:47] <lifeless> take the recommendations you get and follow them
[06:47] <vikashkoushik> the problem is that i'm in india
[06:47] <vikashkoushik> those guys hardly come on #ubuntu-meeting
[06:48] <vikashkoushik> i've been giving answers & solutions in launch pad
[06:49] <vikashkoushik> translating ubuntu in tamil
[06:52] <lifeless> thats good
[06:53] <lifeless> keep doing it
[06:53] <lifeless> come back next month, or the month after
[06:54] <wgrant> lifeless: Are you on the apac board?
[06:54] <lifeless> wgrant: yes
[06:54] <wgrant> lifeless: Ahh.
[06:54] <vikashkoushik> could i attend the coming meeting
[06:54] <vikashkoushik> ?
[06:55] <spm> thumper: yikes - you weren't kidding about the karma drop. I was on ~96K, now 29. Whee. Wonder if I should use my powers for evil and ... correct that... :-P
[06:55] <lifeless> put your name on the web page if you feel like you can show sustained contributions next month
[06:55] <vikashkoushik> lol
[06:55] <wgrant> I, OTOH, have acquired a lot of karma recently, thanks to lp-bzr.
[06:55] <vikashkoushik> ok
[06:55] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: the thing to remember is that we're looking for people that are contributing in the long term, not people trying to get member status for the sake of having member status
[06:55] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: contribute at a sustainable personal level and keep doing it
[06:55] <spm> wgrant: careful. get too smug and I may choose to "borrow" your karma ;-)
[06:56] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: it will be clear to the board
[06:56] <vikashkoushik> i'm not trying to get a membership status.I want to contribute to ubuntu
[06:56] <lifeless> spm: canonical folk get marked down
[06:56] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: in which case keep helping out on answers bugs and translations
[06:56] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: because thats a fantastic contribution
[06:56] <wgrant> spm: Haha.
[06:56] <spm> lifeless: heh. good. seriously for a change. :-)
[06:56] <vikashkoushik> i'll start bug reporting from 9.10 alpha
[06:57] <lifeless> excellent
[06:57] <spm> vikashkoushik: why not trying to do bug fixing as well? where you can?
[06:57] <wgrant> Or bug triage.
[06:57] <vikashkoushik> spm:how do I do that?
[06:57] <vikashkoushik> i.e. where do i do that?
[06:58] <spm> find an interesting (to you) bug that needs some traction, and try and fix it.
[06:58] <spm> vikashkoushik: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet
[06:58] <vikashkoushik> shal start on it immediately
[06:58] <spm> gah. wrong link.
[06:58] <lifeless> spm: uhm, wrong wrong wrong
[06:58] <lifeless> :)
[06:59] <spm> damn browser history - they all look the same :-D
[06:59] <vikashkoushik> wat's the link guys?
[06:59] <spm> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[06:59] <vikashkoushik> lol
[06:59] <vikashkoushik> hey lifeless
[07:00] <vikashkoushik> ,
[07:00] <wgrant> spm: I prefer Ubunet's public bug stats to ours...
[07:00] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: ?
[07:00] <vikashkoushik> So you guys don't look at karma while deciding to give the membership status?
[07:01] <lifeless> its one of many things we look at
[07:01] <vikashkoushik> hmmm..........
[07:01] <lifeless> no one thing is a deciding factor for or against
[07:01] <vikashkoushik> wat?
[07:01] <spm> wgrant: heh
[07:02] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: people  with zero karma have become members when they show sustained contributions, and people with lots of karma haven't had enough sustained contribution to become members
[07:03] <lifeless> I have to go, back later
[07:03] <vikashkoushik> k
[08:36] <thekorn> hi, is there any way to find out why I did not get a mail for bug 341163, "bughelper-dev" is listed under "also notified" and I'm member of that team
[08:37] <thekorn> upps, sorry wrong bug number, it's bug 354985
[08:38] <wgrant> thekorn: Notifications will go to the mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:40] <thekorn> wgrant, ah ok, maybe it's because this list is dead or something, will check with bdmurray
[08:40] <thekorn> thanks
[09:08] <wgrant> I sent an email to a bug a little over 35 minutes ago, and it still hasn't shown up on the web UI. It had no commands, and a very similar email worked 8 hours ago.
[09:16] <intellectronica> wgrant: that's no good. which bug?
[09:17] <wgrant> intellectronica: Bug #360693
[09:18] <intellectronica> wgrant: oh that one :-/
[09:19] <intellectronica> wgrant: b.t.w do you get consistent timeouts for any bug? we do want to fix those!
[09:20] <wgrant> intellectronica: That is what my reply was about. One consistent case last night is no longer timing out - bug #260918 now only takes around 9 seconds to render. Last night it always timed out. I suppose the cache could be hotter now.
[09:22] <intellectronica> wgrant: cool, that's good news. i'll check what's going on with the email (but it might take a while because we don't have administrators until the morning in the US east coast)
[09:23] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks.
[10:27] <intellectronica> wgrant: email is now being processed again
[10:29] <wgrant> intellectronica: What died?
[10:30] <intellectronica> wgrant: pretty much everything on the machine that runs the incoming email processing script. we're not sure why yet
[10:30] <wgrant> intellectronica: Ah, lovely...
[10:30] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks for fixing.
[10:30] <intellectronica> yup
[10:31] <intellectronica> wgrant: np. thanks for bringing the problem to our attention.
[11:05] <SiDi> Hello
[11:06] <SiDi> I'd like to know who i shall contact in order to request the username of a totally inactive member, please.
[11:18] <Ampelbein> hi there. could it be that the bugwatches are out-of-service again? see bug 228309 for a GNOME-example or bug 333620 for a sourceforge-one.
[11:23] <wgrant> intellectronica: ^^ A couple of people have asked that today.
[11:28] <intellectronica> gmb: is checkwatches still not working for the gnome bug tracker?
[11:29] <gmb> intellectronica: Let me check the OOPS log. I think it's more complex than that.
[11:30] <gmb> intellectronica, Ampelbein: So, gnome bug watches are being updated. However, *which* gnome bug watches are being updated is a different matter altogether.
[11:30] <gmb> Ampelbein: I'll see if I can do more digging, but unfortunately that'll need a sysadmin and they won't be around for a couple of hours.
[11:30] <Ampelbein> gmb: thanks for investigating.
[11:31] <gmb> Ampelbein: np
[11:31] <wgrant> Is the background colour of interleaved changes meant to differ depending on whether they are joined to a comment? It looks strange having three different background colours for comment content.
[11:32] <cody-somerville> wgrant, Can you show me an example?
[11:32] <gmb> wgrant: Well, it's not *meant* to be. It's a bug.
[11:33] <gmb> Which I shall now file.
[11:33] <gmb> wgrant: We basically repurposed the comment footer for changes linked to a comment, but the styling for the text stayed the same, which makes it look kinda funky.
[11:33] <wgrant> gmb: OTOH it'd probably look stranger to have the joined ones the same colour as the unjoined ones, because they're so close to white. I don't know.
[11:33] <wgrant> Ahh.
[11:34] <gmb> wgrant: Luckily it's not hard to fix; it's just a CSS change. However, I'll leave it up to beuno to decide how the CSS should change :)
[11:35] <wgrant> gmb: It must be useful having UI designers to delegate that sort of thing to.
[11:36] <gmb> wgrant: Well, the way it normally works is that beuno creates a mockup, I implement the mockup, beuno likes the implementation, kiko disagrees, they argue for a bit, then I find a compromise.
[11:36] <gmb> wgrant: In theory, it works fine :)
[11:36] <wgrant> Haha.
[12:12] <natureshadow> hi there!
[12:12] <cody-somerville> Hello!
[12:12] <natureshadow> Under what circumstances can a user lose 2000 karma points overnight?
[12:13] <SiDi> natureshadow, they changed the algorithm for answer tracker's karma imho :P i lost 7k karma
[12:13] <natureshadow> ah ok .)
[12:13] <cody-somerville> They change all of them I believe
[12:13] <natureshadow> Not that I'd care, but good to know ;)
[12:13] <cody-somerville> I lost 35K
[12:13] <SiDi> cody-somerville, heya :P
[12:14] <cody-somerville> Hi SiDi :)
[12:24] <Milosz> Are there stats available for PPAs?
[12:25] <bigjools> Milosz: no, but it's in our plans soon
[12:26] <Milosz> bigjools, ok
[12:26] <Milosz> would (or will..) be nice to have
[12:26] <bigjools> presuming you mean download stats that is
[12:40] <primes2h> Hello, What did it change recently in launchpad? This morning I've found that my karma (about bugs) dropped to 1817 (was over 6000)
[12:43] <SiDi> I know i'm repeating myself, but who should i contact in order to request an username that is taken by a totally inactive person ?
[12:44] <primes2h> Even the answers karma dropped, was higher yesterday.
[12:44] <SiDi> primes2h, they lowered all the karma. life's like that ;)
[12:44] <bigjools> SiDi: file a Question on the launchpad project
[12:45] <primes2h> SiDi: translations one is stable.
[12:45] <SiDi> bigjools, ok, thanks
[12:45] <bigjools> np
[12:46] <primes2h> SiDi: if you tell me that it's a general behaviour, that's ok! :-)
[12:46] <primes2h> SiDi: Thanks
[12:46] <SiDi> primes2h, you're welcome
[13:01] <kiko> SiDi, me. just pirvmsg me
[13:02] <SiDi> kiko, thanks :)
[13:13] <wgrant> Was the huge karma shift caused by the reduction in overall translations karma making everything else worth less?
[14:12] <c_korn> has the karma calculation changed?
[14:16] <jpds> c_korn: For translation imports? Yes.
[14:17] <henninge> jpds, c_korn: There were more changes.
[14:30] <c_korn> hm, the karmar drop would be related to translations. but I did not translate that much. but doesn't matter
[15:51] <thewrath> i send an e-mail about somethign that was posted on the launchpad-users list but i do not see my reply to Craigs post on this page: https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/threads.html#04976 why? how long does it take to populate the server?
[16:04] <gmb> thewrath: It's done periodically, but I don't know how short the periods are.
[16:05] <thewrath> ok
[16:05] <thewrath> that answers my qustion got to go to a meeting
[16:05] <thewrath> ttyl
[16:16] <MTecknology> What happened with the karma scores?
[16:20] <MTecknology> nvm
[17:04] <cl2> hi! got a question: how come that the more i commit the less point i get as a contributer?
[17:07] <rockstar> cl2, what makes you think that?
[17:08] <cl2> rockstar: the launchpad overview page :-)
[17:09] <cl2> just commited a bunch of files and my point decreased from 133 to 88
[17:09] <cl2> in the beginning of the month i got 166 points
[17:11] <rockstar> cl2, it looks like karma around the board has dropped.  We're looking into it.  My overall karma went from ~80K to ~37K.
[17:12] <cl2> ok, thanks, i was just wondering :-)
[17:34] <Ursinha> me!
[17:51] <MTecknology> Ursinha: you might want to add something about karma normalization to the topic...
[17:51] <Ursinha> MTecknology, we're sorting out a blog post about that
[17:51] <Ursinha> but I'll add, yes, thanks for the suggestion :)
[17:53] <jcastro> Still looking for launchpad sessions for openweek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[17:53] <MTecknology> Ursinha: fyi - I am happy to see it happened - even though I'm down to ~25k :P
[17:53] <rockstar> jcastro, the only one I'm qualified for is already booked.
[17:53] <jcastro> don't you rock at anything else?
[17:53] <jcastro> :p
[17:54] <rockstar> jcastro, no.  :(
[17:55] <intellectronica> jcastro: let me ask around if anyone in our team wants to do a session. i did last time, but if no one else steps forward i'll volunteer this time too
[17:56] <jcastro> woo
[17:56] <jcastro> if you want a slot but don't have a topic feel free to put "tbd launchpad topic" or whatever
[17:58] <intellectronica> jcastro: last time we did a general bug tracking session, which was ok. but i wonder if a session on external bug trackers will be a nice thing to have. it's a powerful, and pretty complicated, feature, which should be of interest to ubunteros
[17:58] <jcastro> intellectronica: you mean linking to external bug trackers? I kind of do that in my upstream bug workflow session
[17:59] <jcastro> intellectronica: but I can not mention that and have you talk about linkages
[17:59] <jcastro> and I can talk about upstream report, etc.
[17:59] <intellectronica> jcastro: ah ok. so any suggestions on what would be of most benefit? a general bug tracking session? or maybe about using the api?
[18:00] <jcastro> I would like to "save" the api sessions for developer week, and have these sessions be more introductory
[18:01] <jcastro> intellectronica: how about "using ubuntu-bugs"?
[18:01] <jcastro> that would fit with our trying to get the word out for people on how to use it, etc.
[18:02] <intellectronica> jcastro: yes, good idea. a session focused on how to effectively report and track ubuntu bugs
[18:02] <jcastro> intellectronica: mgunes is doing a "good practices on ubuntu bugs" session already, and pedro is doing a triaging one
[18:02] <jcastro> so one that complements those two would be perfect
[18:03] <jcastro> intellectronica: a round up of the tools available, like ubuntu-bug, the suspend script, checkbox, etc. would be useful I think too
[18:03] <intellectronica> jcastro: cool. i'm trying to find someone from the team to do that, and if not will register myself. could you please remind me which wiki page the schedule is on?
[18:04] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[18:04] <jcastro> it might go up one page over the next few hours as I finalize stuff, if you have any problems just ping me
[18:04] <intellectronica> jcastro: k np
[18:05] <jcastro> still plenty of room on there for more lp intro talks! (looks around)
[18:06] <intellectronica> jcastro: there's no API session yet. i think that would be valuable. maybe leonardr will be interested in running one
[18:06] <jcastro> ok
[18:07] <leonardr> intellectronica, jcastro: sure, sign me up. i do one of those every time
[18:44] <jbalint> hi
[18:44] <jbalint> any reason why i click a file here, its coming up empty? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ndb-bindings/ndb-bindings/trunk/files/head%3A/java/swig/?file_id=java-20070130002924-gcvhapmvh0lu1pkd-1
[18:46] <SiDi> Click on the "Download this file" button ? :p
[18:47] <jbalint> its still empty
[18:48] <SiDi> You mean the files you get are empty ?
[18:48] <jbalint> yes
[18:48] <SiDi> Ok, i confirm
[18:48] <jbalint> im pretty sure this used to show the whole file "annotated" or "blame" or whatever you call it
[18:49] <SiDi> from the link you posted
[18:49] <SiDi> click on the right side of the screen on the green arrows
[18:49] <SiDi> and you'll get the files
[18:49] <SiDi> Yeh but it doesnt work for some kinds of file exts
[18:50] <jbalint> even java.... i think it was fine, prob based on whether files are marked as a non-text type
[18:51] <Ursinha> rockstar, do you know what's going on here?
[18:51] <Ursinha> ^
[18:51] <SiDi> The download link from the "annotate" page doesnt work, indeed
[18:51]  * rockstar reads backchat
[18:52] <jbalint> the annotate page is blank...! :(
[18:52] <jbalint> i guess because the head rev is later than this is last updated, but i dont see how thats useful
[19:36] <thewrath> forestpixie: /leave
[19:43] <jbalint> ok, its working again now :D
[20:11] <cr3> darn that karma change, I almost got enough to be worth a penny on the shop!
[20:16] <Ursinha> cr3, :)
[20:39] <oubiwann> rockstar: hey man, is there a launchpad page for projects that lists all the tags with links for viewing all the bugs with the given tag?
[20:48] <rockstar> oubiwann, not sure, but that would be helpful if there was.  gmb? ^^^
[20:53] <kiko> oubiwann, there isn't for any project, though there is for a specific project (like /ubuntu) a listing
[20:54] <oubiwann> kiko: I'm interested in one for landscape... is there such a one?
[20:55] <kiko> bugs/landscape
[20:55] <kiko> look at the portlet to the right
[20:55] <oubiwann> kiko: right, that portlet only shows a small number of the tags I'm interested in...
[20:55] <kiko> oubiwann, sounds like they aren't official tags then.
[20:56] <oubiwann> kiko: ah, so any tags that I make official will show up in the portlet all the time?
[20:56] <kiko> yes.
[20:56] <oubiwann> (I don't think we have any official tags)
[20:56] <kiko> there's a page missing that lists /all/ tags
[20:56] <kiko> intellectronica might be able to tell you more about that
[20:56] <oubiwann> kiko: thanks for the info! just what I needed :-)
[21:16] <fortunev> When using bazaar, is there a way to push a branch without using ssh?
[21:17] <beuno> fortunev, sftp or ftp
[21:17] <beuno> and webdav, but I don't know how that works currently
[21:17] <fortunev> beuno: I have tried sftp and ftp neither seem to work. is the syntax the same?
[21:17] <beuno> fortunev, is this to Launchpad or server to server?
[21:18] <fortunev> Launchpad
[21:18] <beuno> right, so just sftp and ssh to launchpad
[21:18] <beuno> bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branchname
[21:19] <fortunev> I'll give it a shot. is sftp much different than ssh?
[21:19] <beuno> fortunev, what seems to be the problem?
[21:19] <fortunev> I get cannot connect to server. I'll give you the exact error in a sec
[21:21] <fortunev> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; (10060, 'Operat
[21:21] <fortunev> ion timed out')
[21:22] <beuno> fortunev, ah, that's odd
[21:22] <beuno> can you try:  sftp bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:22] <beuno> and: ssh bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:22] <fortunev> that came from sftp://bazarr.launchpad.net. SSH does the same
[21:23] <beuno> fortunev, you must have a problem with your connection
[21:23] <beuno> either you're local lan is blocking ports, or your ISP is flaky
[21:23] <fortunev> I think my port 22 is closed. Is there an unsecure way to push
[21:24] <fortunev> or a way I can supply a pw
[21:24] <beuno> ah, I don't think so then, no
[21:25] <fortunev> aaarrrrrgggg.... I was afraid of that.Could I use send?
[21:25] <fortunev> ...I apologize for my noobness.
[21:26] <beuno> fortunev, send what, sorry?
[21:26] <fortunev> bzr send . I believe it uses email?
[21:26] <beuno> fortunev, ah, maybe
[21:26] <beuno> thumper, rockstar, abentley ^ ?
[21:28] <abentley> beuno: How can I help?
[21:28]  * rockstar reads backchat
[21:28] <beuno> abentley, hi! good to see you.  fortunev has his port 22 blocked, and was wondering if bzr send could help him in any way to send a branch to LP
[21:28] <beuno> I *think* not, that it's just for MPs
[21:29] <beuno> but I've been wrong like 3 times already today
[21:29] <abentley> beuno: bzr send should cause launchpad to create a branch if it doesn't exist yet, but I just tried it and it doesn't seem to have worked.
[21:30] <beuno> good, so I was theoriticall wrong, and pragmatically right
[21:31] <fortunev> abently: thanks for the assist. I recall reading something about authenticating with a password. Would you know anything about that?
[21:31] <abentley> fortunev: I know that it's not supported for Launchpad.  Launchpad only uses SSH keys for authentication.
[21:32] <beuno> and that's still port 22 though, no?
[21:32] <fortunev> ok... If that is the case I will have to work on setting up a tunnle I guess
[21:32] <abentley> beuno: Yes.  Though having your incoming port blocked shouldn't affect what you can connect to.
[21:32] <fortunev> yes ssh is port 22
[21:32] <beuno> abentley, right. He seems to have it blocked both ways
[21:33] <fortunev> I am guessing both are blocked. Yes
[21:34] <fortunev> well thanks anyway. Sorry for hacking your nick abentley. cya l8r
[21:34] <abentley> fortunev: np.
[21:53] <abentley> beuno_: So apparently, the issue was that the target_branch in the MD had a trailing slash.
[21:53] <beuno_> abentley, ah
[21:54] <beuno_> a bug I guess?
[21:57] <abentley> beuno_: Yeah.
[21:58] <abentley> beuno: It's bug #318040
[21:59] <beuno> abentley, cool, thanks for looking into it
[22:59] <herb> barry: that didn't apply cleanly. there's no lib/lp/registry/tests/test_mailinglistapi.py to patch.
[23:00] <herb> oop
[23:11] <kkubasik> Hey, does anyone know more details about how launchpad will be released?
[23:12] <kkubasik> as open source that is
[23:12] <beuno> kkubasik, info at: https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing
[23:12] <kkubasik> will it be enough to run a hosted launchpad instance? or just enough to see how it works
[23:13] <beuno> kkubasik, you will be able to run a hosted instance, in general. Although if you do, you loose a lot of potential information you may share with other open source projeccts
[23:14] <kkubasik> beuno:  has there been talk of federating?
[23:14] <kkubasik> our problem is we have a mix, about 50:50
[23:14] <kkubasik> some projects open source, but some super-closed
[23:14] <kkubasik> so we need to be able to make some stuff private, but we want to share as much as possible, while having just one bug tracker internally
[23:15] <beuno> kkubasik, well, launchpad provides a commercial service to have private branches and bugs
[23:15] <beuno> so you could use Launchpad, and mix-n-match
[23:15] <beuno> there a few projects doing the same already
[23:15] <beuno> bac knows all about this
[23:16] <kkubasik> beuno:  yeah, I emailed and asked about that
[23:16] <kkubasik> I would ike to, but we do mostly consulting, meaning a high turnover rate on projects
[23:16] <bac> hi kkubasik
[23:16] <kkubasik> so per-project pricing is a tough sell for us
[23:16] <bac> kkubasik: i have not responded to your email yet as i'm discussing it internally
[23:17] <bac> kkubasik: perhaps we can chat here tomorrow
[23:17] <kkubasik> bac: certainly
[23:18] <kkubasik> is 23.5 hours from now good?
[23:18] <kkubasik> ;)
[23:18] <bac> kkubasik: regarding private translations, it is not something on our roadmap.  the big win for translations is access to the giant pool of strings that have already been translated.
[23:19] <kkubasik> certainly, i think its more 'anonymous' strings
[23:19] <bac> kkubasik: when you start slicing that pool up it becomes less useful.  but i understand you don't want sensitive strings leaking
[23:20] <kkubasik> yeah, translation isn't really the kicker, but blueprints are pretty cool
[23:20] <bac> kkubasik: sometime tomorrow afternoon EDT would be good
[23:20] <kkubasik> great, i'll be online most of tomorrow afternoon, so we can link up at some point
[23:20] <bac> kkubasik: we have not fully implemented private blueprints but they will not be much work.
[23:20] <bac> kkubasik: just ping me here.  i'm on all day...
[23:21] <bac> i don't monitor this channel but do respond when someone calls my name...
[23:22] <kkubasik> I know we aren't a big contract, but we are mostly open-source devs and would be more than willing to make a special effort to help test/report bugs
[23:29] <joey> >> Launchpad is going offline in a few minutes for unscheduled security updates. <<
[23:29] <joey> >> Launchpad is going offline in a few minutes for unscheduled security updates. <<
[23:29] <joey> >> Launchpad is going offline in a few minutes for unscheduled security updates. <<


[00:06] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: poke if either of you appear.... would you like to also drop albatross and bluebird from the shimmer-themes package at this time?
[07:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: mmm seems so - didn't get much further than installing it twice last night
[07:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: funnily vbox sees it with just a reboot, hardware I actually had to login/out/reboot to see something
[08:35] <Akxwi-dave> flocculant, regarding the black screen at login on yesterday's iso..  I'm getting a normal background, BUT if i swap to guest account, then the screen goes black.. still happening if i login in as a user, and log back out..
[11:14] <bluesabre> flocculant, Akxwi-dave: So, based on that, I think there might be an issue with the greeter seeing the default wallpaper. It seems to have no issue with ones set by accounts service (where a user has logged in and accounts service has had a chance to save the config)
[12:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: sounds logical
[13:06] <Akxwi-dave> bluesabre, flocculant : I agree... especially as just installed todays build and on initial boot before the first login to installed system, the background is black, after that initial login users background is shown. After relogin as guest it stays black (i am assuming as guest login doesn't save any configs etc)
[13:07] <flocculant> Akxwi-dave: k - just doing that here too
[13:07] <Akxwi-dave> :-)
[13:07] <Akxwi-dave> has it been logged as a bug yet?
[13:08] <flocculant> must say I've not looked at images for a week or so, not sure when this happened
[13:08] <flocculant> I've not reported it yet - wanted to double check it was just us, then no idea what package to report against either - greeter I guess
[13:15] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-greeter
[13:15] <bluesabre> (please)
[13:15] <Akxwi-dave> I only noticed it yesterday..
[13:15] <Akxwi-dave> will do
[13:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - just booting the installed vm now will report it from there
[13:15] <flocculant> apport fails against lightdm-gtk-greeter :(
[13:15] <flocculant> nmv - tab complete caught up at the wrong time ...
[13:15] <Akxwi-dave> ahh talking of apport, are you getting a blueman-apport crash?
[13:15] <flocculant> yea
[13:15] <flocculant> Akxwi-dave: pretty sure it'll not just be us
[13:17] <flocculant> bluesabre Akxwi-dave bug 1533200
[13:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: I can leave that vm untouched now I reported it if you want anything else from it
[13:18] <Akxwi-dave> cheers.. you beat me too it
[13:25] <flocculant> bbl
[14:41] <Girish> I downloaded the daily image of Xubuntu AMD64. When I'm trying to run it in Virtual Box I'm getting the error 'Booting Kernal failed. Invalid Argument'
[14:47] <Akxwi-dave> Girish, Do you have the virualization turned on in your bios?  if not it will only let you create 32bit VM's
[14:47] <Girish> Akxwi-dave: I've virtualised before this. So I guess yeah it's turned on.
[14:49] <Akxwi-dave> Girish, :-) well it cant be that problem then...
[14:52] <Girish> Yeah.
[14:52] <Akxwi-dave> Sorry can't help on that further at mo..I don't have access to a 64bit machine at this time...
[17:21] <flocculant> Girish: run the vm in vbox - screenshot the error message - thanks
[19:04] <ochosi> evening all
[19:28] <duress> Girish: if you do not mind me asking, did you checksum ?
[19:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, see #xfce-dev?
[20:06] <flocculant> evening ochosi
[21:01] <ochosi> Unit193: heya, you up for some packaging work?
[21:01] <Unit193> ...This sounds like an awful trick question. >_>
[21:01] <ochosi> ...Could be cause it is..? *_*
[21:02] <ochosi> i'
[21:02] <ochosi> ll send you a link
[21:02] <ochosi> then you can decice
[21:02] <ochosi> or decide even
[21:04] <ochosi> https://github.com/shimmerproject/pidgin-elementary
[21:04] <ochosi> since you said you might be motivated to extract the elementary stuff from xubuntu-artwork, you might not want to have that there to begin with
[21:05] <ochosi> ideally it
[21:05] <ochosi> 'd be a new pkg imo
[21:05] <ochosi> but if we don't find the time, we can always push it in -artwork
[21:06] <Unit193> Heh, in some form or another I already did extract things into elementary-themes, or whatever it's called.
[21:07] <ochosi> i see i see
[21:07] <ochosi> well i presumed the hard part would be to get the new package accepted in ubuntu (or even debian), not the technical part of *actually* packaging it ;)
[21:08] <Unit193> Quite so.
[21:09] <ochosi> would you be up for that?
[21:10] <ochosi> thing is atm i can't really help much with the poking as i'm not that available during the day
[21:11] <Unit193> If it's meant for going in, can you tag a release (or are we testing first?)
[21:12] <ochosi> ideally we'd be trying it
[21:13] <ochosi> also, the make stuff for the package would have to include svntopng, like xubuntu-artwork
[21:13] <ochosi> not even sure pidgin handles svg
[21:15] <ochosi> i'd prefer with a package in staging
[21:15] <ochosi> as soon as that works okay, i'd go for realz
[21:15] <ochosi> i can generally tag a release anytime, i'd just probably add the 24px versions to prevent too much icon-scaling and fuzziness
[21:16] <Unit193> Welp, this sounds like "fun"...
[21:17] <ochosi> :>
[21:17] <ochosi> well as i said, we can always stuff it in xubuntu-artwork
[21:27] <Unit193> Think it makes more sense to either move things now, or add that in.  Granted if you add it in that makes more for transitioning later, but it's an LTS so "break less" is generally to motto. :P
[21:29] <ochosi> yeah, i'd say that depends on your motivation
[21:29] <Unit193> Well this and the svg2png doesn't look fun. >:D
[21:29] <Unit193> ochosi: I poked bluesabre, but see #xfce-dev scrollback?
[21:30] <ochosi> i guess the svg2png part is just copy-pasting
[21:31] <ochosi> oh, i was totally unaware of that calculator...
[21:32] <ochosi> or were you referring to the xfdashboard part?
[21:33] <Unit193> Yeah.
[21:33] <ochosi> right
[21:33] <ochosi> well i don't have the feeling it's half as unmaintained as the rest of xfce >:D
[21:34] <knome> huhu
[21:34] <knome> ochosi, you should hope ofourdan is not reading the logs for this channel
[21:34] <knome> :P
[21:34] <ochosi> right, that is precisely why i repeated it in #xfce-dev
[21:35] <knome> ;)
[21:35] <Unit193> ochosi: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=pkg-xfce-devel%40lists.alioth.debian.org that's a lot of freaking bugs.
[21:40] <ochosi> right, but there are even lightdm bugs, not sure why exactly
[21:41] <Unit193> pkg-xfce maintains it.
[21:42] <ochosi> right
[21:42] <Unit193> ochosi: Anywho, point being it's not making it into Debian any time soon, time to get it into Ubuntu?
[21:46] <ochosi> sure
[21:52] <ochosi> alright, two icons to go and then v0.1 would be ready
[21:52] <ochosi> i guess some icons will need more tweaking, but that's for v0.2
[22:02] <ochosi> Unit193: https://github.com/shimmerproject/pidgin-elementary/releases/tag/v0.1
[22:04] <ochosi> also, bluesabre ˆ
[22:14] <ochosi> bbabl
[22:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: nice
[22:41] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:41] <knome> hello bluesabre
[22:42] <bluesabre> hiya knome
[22:42] <knome> how's the wallpaper contest webapp coming up?
[22:44] <bluesabre> every time I start on that, something comes up.  I just need to figure out launchpad/uo auth and I should be able to take submissions
[22:44] <knome> :)
[22:57] <ochosi> so just a quick update on that: pidgin does *not* support svg icon themes, so we definitely have to convert to png
[22:57] <ochosi> i guess the best way is to do it in the packaging scripts
[22:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: any comment from your side on getting this in xubuntu-artwork vs. creating a new separate package?
[22:59] <Unit193> xubuntu-icon-theme, libreoffice-style-elementary are elementary too.
[23:01] <ochosi> anyway, i gotta leave you to yourselves with this, gotta get some sleep
[23:01] <ochosi> night y'all
[23:01] <knome> good night ochosi
[23:02] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[23:02] <bluesabre> I don't have a strong opinion, other than lo-style-elementary will be part of the libreoffice source package at some point
[23:03] <bluesabre> maybe its time to rename some packages
[23:03] <bluesabre> so that there is elementary-xfce-icon-theme (or elementary-icon-theme-xfce), pidgin-elementary-theme, etc
[23:04] <bluesabre> part of this would be making sure we don't step on elementary's packaging toes (if we're nice folks, which we are)
[23:08] <bluesabre> in the end, adding it to the xubuntu-artwork source package would be easiest and require the least red tape to cut through
[23:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts?
[23:12] <bluesabre> going out for food now, bbabl
[23:12] <Unit193> I'm hungry.


[08:49] <pavlushka> ping Kilos
[08:54] <Kilos> watching rugby lad
[08:55] <pavlushka> Kilos, I can feel that and noticed that in #ubuntu-za, okay enjoy the match, :)
[09:28] <pavlushka> ping Kilos
[09:28] <pavlushka> who won?
[09:29] <pavlushka> check todays log!
[09:29] <pavlushka> osama was here.
[09:29] <Kilos> chiefs
[09:30] <pavlushka> You happy?
[09:31] <Kilos> no
[09:31] <Kilos> sharks my team
[09:31] <Kilos> i havent even done all my chores yet today
[09:39] <pavlushka> lol


[10:13] <checkin> hi
[10:13] <checkin> I am unable to toggle wireless on/off, mute/unmute, play/pause using Front operation panel LED keys on my Toshiba Qosmio F60. Currently I need to enable WiFi/Bluetooth from Windows for it to work. Fn+F8 toggle works as soft block/unblock only if I have already enabled WiFi under Windows. Any ideas as how this can be done? I have tried Ubuntu 13.04 as well. The only LED Touch button that works under Ubuntu is the Volume Up/Down but
[11:48] <Friberg_> anyone had trouble with amd radeon hd 7970 today? when logging in i just get "report problem" and then its stuck
[11:48] <Friberg_> background on all screens, but nothing more
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:12] <penguin42> hey
[13:18] <FernandoMiguel> hey guys
[13:19] <FernandoMiguel> kernel 3.10.* has lousy power management. not the great for this warm weather
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yup , I get the message every bootup .power management isn't properly installed , FernandoMiguel
[13:25] <FernandoMiguel> I'm rebooting into 3.0.7
[13:25] <penguin42> huh - not seeing anything like that
[13:29] <BluesKaj> I get a dualog at the top of the screen just before the desktop loads and right after the splash screen , just before  yakuake notice
[13:29] <BluesKaj> dialog rather
[13:29] <penguin42> nope, not seeing it
[13:30] <BluesKaj> well ,not a dialog , it;s anotification ,
[13:30] <FernandoMiguel> ahh much better
[13:30] <FernandoMiguel> Linux Bostro 3.9.0-7-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 21 12:22:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:31] <penguin42> 3.10.0-1-generic #8-Ubuntu apparently fine
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ok brb
[13:32] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: not here...
[13:32] <FernandoMiguel> cpu goes crazy, to the max
[13:32] <FernandoMiguel> only schedulers are performance and powersave
[13:33] <FernandoMiguel> changing it doesn't matter....
[13:33] <FernandoMiguel> on 3.9 I have conservative and OnDemand
[13:35] <penguin42> curious because in the /boot/config-3.9.-0-7-generic the CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_CONSERVATIVE is not set
[13:35] <penguin42> oh hang on
[13:35] <FernandoMiguel> AFAIK it boots as Perfomence and then it's changed to OnDemand
[13:35] <penguin42> # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_CONSERVATIVE is not set    but CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_CONSERVATIVE=y
[13:35] <FernandoMiguel> after all X parts are loaded
[13:36] <alankila> someone should really redesign the ondemand thing. I often have problems with ondemand lowering the CPU clock lower until there isn't enough clock cycles to handle it, and then stuff starts glitching
[13:36] <penguin42> that seems same in 3.10 config file
[13:36] <FernandoMiguel> alankila: nothing like there here
[13:36] <FernandoMiguel> I just have LOTS of heat coming out of it
[13:36] <FernandoMiguel> combined with unity-panel-service dieing
[13:37] <FernandoMiguel> and using 100% CPU
[13:37] <penguin42> cpus 27-30c here - so not too bad, a little higher than normal
[13:37] <alankila> for instance some audio and video programs have a habit of stuttering because ondemand simply tends to lower clock until there aren't free cycles at least in the default setting. Perhaps it doesn't have a good theory about whether the new clock it proposes is sufficient to still handle the load.
[13:37] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Is that your actual problem - ups using 100% cpu so it's keeping it high?
[13:37] <FernandoMiguel> I kill it every few minutes
[13:38] <FernandoMiguel> when the Fans ramp up
[13:38]  * penguin42 pats kde
[13:38] <FernandoMiguel> I have a 3rd gen Intel i5
[13:38] <alankila> the "conservative" governor works better for those use cases, but haven't investigated why
[13:38] <FernandoMiguel> alankila: yeah, I use conservative too
[13:38] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: i7-860 here
[23:11] <jonathonf> so much activity, it's scary
[23:20] <BluesKaj> heh
[23:24] <jonathonf> mind you , i've not been on here myself for months