[03:24] <wickedpuppy> lgc, agree with ya there ...
[03:24] <lightbright> anyone know what exactly wvdial is?
[03:24] <cafuego> !info wvdial
[03:24] <ubotu> wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54.0-1.1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 320 kB
[03:24] <lightbright> cafuego: thanks
[03:24] <Mabus06> lightbright, doom 3 has incredibly crappy sound quality for me, any idea how to change this? the video works just smoothly
[03:25] <cafuego> !rule 1
[03:25] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken!
[03:25] <lightbright> cafuego: how is wvdial different from gnome-ppp ?
[03:25] <lgc> wickedpuppy, can you tell me where I can find some 'succint' intro to Linux network interfaces?
[03:25] <kwtm2> !rule 2
[03:25] <ubotu> kwtm2: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:25] <themachine> is there any special way to mount ntfs with write ability?
[03:25] <cafuego> lightbright: I have no idea.
[03:25] <lightbright> Mabus06: sorry I am not sure.
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> lgc, google
[03:25] <lightbright> cafuego: ok ty anyway
[03:25] <lightbright> Mabus06: can you change it in options of the game?
[03:25] <cafuego> themachine: Yes, via using an ugly hack to load the actual windows NT driver into the kernel. (captive ntfs)
[03:25] <Mabus06> anyone have any idea how I can make the sound quality for doom 3 not so incredibly crappy?
[03:26] <lightbright> Mabus06:  does Doom 3 have a sounds Option?
[03:26] <Mabus06> lightbright, no... no "crappy sound' checkbox ;)
[03:26] <cafuego> themachine: It cannot be done with the normal (free) driver without destroying the filesystem.
[03:26] <lightbright> Mabus06:  lol ;)
[03:26] <lgc> wickedpuppy, Google is very helpful, but sometimes you get swamped in info an you don't get what you want. Better ask the 'connosieurs'
[03:26] <Mabus06> lightbright, no real audio options that would point to a fix
[03:26] <lightbright> Mabus06:  im surprised because most games have a sound options
[03:26] <lightbright> Mabus06: ok
[03:26] <francis1710> nosilber
[03:26] <francis1710> k lo k
[03:27] <lightbright> Mabus06:  can you run doom with paramaters?
[03:27] <iamkirk> linux is owning me
[03:27] <tyoung> Anybody know how to fix your sudoers file?  I tried adding a user to it for the first time, and now it has some sort of syntax error.
[03:27] <wickedpuppy> lgc, be specific ... btw ... did you google for the error you got ? someone already fixed it
[03:27] <Mabus06> I don't know, can I?
[03:27] <cafuego> iamkirk: cedega is far cheaper than windows.
[03:27] <mrkoje> iamkirk: haha windows is owning me right now
[03:27] <iamkirk> windows was free :P
[03:27] <cafuego> iamkirk: No, it wasn't.
[03:27] <lightbright> Mabus06:  not sure!  do a search with google looking for doom3 and your name of sound card
[03:28] <Mabus06> lightbright, sound was working just as bad with my onboard
[03:28] <cafuego> it was eprhaps not on the bill, but that's another issue :-)
[03:28] <iamkirk> when i ran windows i never had to pay for anything :P
[03:28] <lightbright> Mabus06: maybe doom doesnt properlt recognise them
[03:28] <mrkoje> for some reason... Win automatic update decided to download a new Sil3114 raid driver that broke my system
[03:28] <iamkirk> im not cheap... im just a student
[03:28] <bimberi> tyoung: reboot into recovery mode and fix it from there
[03:28] <lightbright> iamkirk: are you a thief?
[03:28] <mrkoje> mfer win update
[03:28] <themachine> hes a pirate yarr
[03:28] <lightbright> themachine: :P
[03:28] <lgc> wickedpuppy, yes, I got it. But again, I'll have to read a lot! (Yes, I know, I should't consider Linux if I don't like to read forever, right?)
[03:29] <iamkirk>  that hurts guys.... because i have a peg-leg im considered a pirate
[03:29] <tyoung> bimberi: tks
[03:29] <iamkirk> ;P
[03:29] <lightbright> iamkirk: :P
[03:29] <bimberi> tyoung: yw :)
[03:29] <lightbright> cafuego: lol
[03:29] <B_166-ER-X> good things that KDE apps works with gnome..cause i find em much better.... K3b, ktorrent, ark..
[03:30] <breezy> eek its taken
[03:30] <bimberi> breezybright then?
[03:30] <lightbright> bimberi:  hehe ;)
[03:31] <basti__> once I have made a group, how do I put users into that group using terminal?
[03:31] <lightbright> brb food time :)  yum
[03:31] <typewriter> usermod -G group user
[03:31] <cafuego> basti__: sudo adduser <user> <group>
[03:31] <lightbright> bimberi: whats difference between typing gksudo nautilus and sudo nautilus ?
[03:31] <Nanook> Hi guys
[03:31] <basti__> cafuego, Idont want a new user. I think typewriters answer was correct. thanks both of you :)
[03:32] <cafuego> basti__: No, you are mistaken.
[03:32] <bimberi> lightbright: the type of password prompt (gui or cli)
[03:32] <nalioth> lightbright: the gksudo is a bit safer to use, due to permissioning
[03:32] <cafuego> basti__: My command add <user> to <group>. It doesn't create new users or groups.
[03:32] <lightbright> bimberi:  ok
[03:32] <lightbright> nalioth: ok thanks
[03:32] <lightbright> brb food time :)
[03:32] <GorillaFromBeyon> bimberi, xubuntu is not listed in gdm window managers
[03:32] <crimsun> that's because "xubuntu" is not a window manager
[03:33] <iamkirk> bah
[03:33] <GorillaFromBeyon> so gdm starts but when i log in nothing happens of course since i dont have gnome installed
[03:33] <crimsun> 'xubuntu-desktop' is a metapackage
[03:33] <basti__> ok then. just seemed like adduser does infact do adda  new user ;) I will write this down in my memo list. thanks for the info
[03:33] <bimberi> GorillaFromBeyon: how about the Session list?
[03:33] <crimsun> "xfwm4" is the actual window manager
[03:33] <GorillaFromBeyon> it doesnt appear in the session list
[03:33] <iamkirk> fine you rat buggers , ill pay for that service.... if my vred card has room on it
[03:33] <crimsun> GorillaFromBeyon: did you install 'xubuntu-desktop'?
[03:33] <ghostpsalm> Is there anyway to make a LOG of the boot process... so I can look at it when it is not going so fast?
[03:33] <iamkirk> but if it sucks im writing you all an angry letter
[03:33] <cafuego> crimsun: But it'll probably be listed as 'XFCE4'.
[03:34] <Nanook> I have just installed Ubuntu 5.10 onto my computer, and I opened Firefox and tried to install Macromedia Flash Player, dowloaded the file and opened it OK, and it said I need to "copy the following files into the browser plugin folder...", how do I access this folder, as I can't seem to find it
[03:34] <cafuego> iamkirk: Notwe that (just like windows and cs) cedega is proprietary and the AUTHORS should support you.
[03:35] <vegos> i am having trouble compiling
[03:35] <vegos> can someone help
[03:35] <crimsun> install build-essential
[03:35] <wickedpuppy> vegos, compiling what ?
[03:35] <GorillaFromBeyon> crimsun GorillaFromBeyon: did you install 'xubuntu-desktop'? ahem, whoops (installing it now)
[03:35] <vegos> i have downloaded a few programs
[03:35] <bimberi> GorillaFromBeyon: i though you installed it earlier! :)
[03:35] <bimberi> *thought
[03:36] <vegos> but when i enter "make"
[03:36] <GorillaFromBeyon> i installed xubuntu desktop manager something
[03:36] <vegos> it says something about target
[03:36] <GorillaFromBeyon> that u told me
[03:36] <ghostpsalm> Is there a log of the boot process?
[03:36] <GorillaFromBeyon> wait, it still doesnt appear in the session list in gdm
[03:36] <wickedpuppy> vegos, have you done ./configure first ?
[03:36] <vegos> yes
[03:36] <henry> this one is easy: how can i choose the color deepth in ubuntu linux?
[03:36] <cafuego> do not do ./configure
[03:37] <Nanook> how can I find the folder FIrefox is installed in??
[03:37] <LTL> ghostpsalm type dmesg
[03:37] <GorillaFromBeyon> i only have default, failsafe gnome and failsafe terminal
[03:37] <wickedpuppy> cafuego, why not ? i thought SOP is ./configure;make;make install ?
[03:37] <cafuego> GorillaFromBeyon: 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[03:37] <vegos> thats what i thought too
[03:37] <GorillaFromBeyon> i did that
[03:37] <bimberi> GorillaFromBeyon: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[03:37] <cafuego> wickedpuppy: It is, HOWEVER: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[03:38] <cafuego> wickedpuppy: ... for great justice (and easier management)
[03:38] <mrkoje> cafuego: If the app isn't listed in the repository then you have to make it yourself
[03:38] <tommy> im on ubuntu can some one help me access my windows partion to get my mp3's
[03:38] <Zedugh> ghostpalm, or try Applications->SystemTools->SystemLog
[03:38] <mrkoje> cafuego: dont you
[03:38] <vegos> tommy: have you mounted
[03:39] <GorillaFromBeyon> i restarted X before and now i did as u told me, it restarted gdm but still nothing changed in the session list
[03:39] <tommy> nope
[03:39] <ghostpsalm> LTL:  Do you know of anyway to scroll back through a terminal - when you are not in a window manager?
[03:40] <tommy> vegos,  can u help me
[03:40] <SoulPropagation> ghostpsalm: shift+pgup
[03:40] <vegos> tommy:http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:40] <ghostpsalm> Chhers.
[03:40] <vegos> mount your windows partition
[03:40] <vegos> and then you should be able to do it
[03:41] <krak`nix> how do i use grep to search for files containing "m3u" in their text
[03:41] <bimberi> GorillaFromBeyon: hm, unfortunately i don't use xubuntu so am struggling to help :/ - perhaps check ubuntuforums
[03:41] <sri> so I just managed to upgrade again and it updated xserver-xorg-core
[03:41] <sri> and that made a bigger mess.
[03:41] <Red-Sox> how do you do a direct client to client in gaim
[03:41] <bimberi> krak`nix: grep m3u *
[03:41] <cafuego> krak`nix: 'grep m3u *'
[03:41] <sri> so nobody has any problems with X on dapper?
[03:41] <GorillaFromBeyon> bimberi, don't mention it, thank you very much
[03:42] <SoulPropagation> Red-Sox: you can't - it's not working too well yet
[03:42] <Mabus06> could someone help me with my problems playing doom3 for linux? the sound quality is unbelievably choppy. there may be fixes on google but they're all over my head. Can anyone please help me? Please/
[03:42] <bimberi> GorillaFromBeyon: np :)
[03:42] <cafuego> krak`nix: if you hve binary files there too, pipe the outout into 'less'.
[03:42] <watnu> Red-Sox: you need a jabberd server
[03:42] <Red-Sox> okay
[03:42] <Red-Sox> ill try kopete
[03:42] <vegos> so about this make problem
[03:42] <vegos> can someone help
[03:42] <cafuego> sri: of course you'll have issues with an unstable release. Why did you think upgrading was a good idea?
[03:43] <henry> some idea where can I start to recompile the kernel???
[03:43] <SoulPropagation> vegos: what's the error
[03:43] <sri> cafuego: just wanted to help test :)
[03:43] <krak`nix> into less?
[03:43] <cafuego> henry: Why do you need to do that?
[03:43] <watnu>
[03:43] <vegos> when i enter "make"
[03:43] <cafuego> krak`nix: 'grep m3u * | less'
[03:43] <sri> cafuego: although next time I might just do it under vmware instead.
[03:43] <vegos> it says something about not having a target
[03:43] <bimberi> bah, cafuego too fast that time :)
[03:43] <cafuego> watnu: precies
[03:43] <cafuego> bimberi: muaha!
[03:44] <henry> cafuego I think that if I do it, I can compile it with the driver of the winmodem...
[03:44] <krak`nix> how about being recursive?  this doesnt seem to be going into folders
[03:44] <henry> may be may be...
[03:44] <cafuego> henry: You should be able to compile JUST the driver
[03:44] <SoulPropagation> vegos: do ./configure first
[03:44] <woozleboy> can someone help me with installing 5.1 on a sparc ultra 2?
[03:44] <mrkoje> tiene feliz dia acciones de gracias
[03:44] <henry> cafuego I am a newbye in linux...some guide to read about?
[03:44] <cafuego> henry: You'll need (on breezy) gcc-3.4, build-essential, kernel-headers-($uname -r)
[03:45] <bimberi> krak`nix: grep -r m3u * | less
[03:45] <vegos> i have
[03:45] <cafuego> woozleboy: 5.1 what?
[03:45] <vegos> still have the same problem
[03:45] <Mabus06> could someone help me with my problems playing doom3 for linux? the sound quality is unbelievably choppy. there may be fixes on google but they're all over my head. Can anyone please help me? Please/
[03:45] <woozleboy> 5.10
[03:45] <cafuego> vegos: Check the INSTALL file.
[03:45] <cafuego> woozleboy: Are there unofficial sparc idos?
[03:45] <cafuego> isos?
[03:45] <woozleboy> yes
[03:45] <jorge_> sup guys
[03:45] <vegos> i have this problem with multiple (different) installs
[03:46] <woozleboy> well, its a mini iso that does a net install
[03:46] <vegos> with the same result
[03:46] <typewriter> i just installed the 'base' system of ubuntu.. wanna install kubuntu but didnt wanna go through downloading the cd
[03:46] <cafuego> woozleboy: Can you boot that thing from the cd?
[03:46] <typewriter> all i need to do now is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop... corerct?
[03:46] <SoulPropagation> typewriter: yes
[03:46] <cafuego> typewriter: Yep
[03:46] <Zedugh> vegos, check the website from where you downloaded the source. look for installation instructions, you might need to specify the target, ie: make <some-target>. Also the problem might be a bad make file. Lots of stuff ive downloaded wont compile. Just because its downloadable (even if the author says its so good, etc) doesn't mean it compiles or works.
[03:46] <woozleboy> i can boot. the problem Im having is that no disks are detected. looks like there is no driver for the onboard scsi
[03:46] <cafuego> woozleboy: Do you know offhand what controller that is?
[03:47] <woozleboy> but theres not much in the way of docs, so Im looking for someone who may have done the install
[03:47] <vegos> i think that it is something more than that becasue everything ive downloaded wont compile
[03:47] <woozleboy> its an STP2202.......   I think it is a Sun custom controller
[03:47] <cafuego> vegos: Did ./configure wrok or fail?
[03:47] <Zedugh> vegos, type 'make --version' and see what make you're running
[03:47] <vegos> it worked
[03:48] <cafuego> woozleboy: it's be very odd if that wasn't supported in a sun-specific version...
[03:48] <woozleboy> linux is supposed to have support for the sun4u architecture, which I hope includes that chip
[03:48] <cafuego> vegos: is there a 'Makefile' in the current directory?
[03:48] <vegos> yes, there is a makefile
[03:48] <woozleboy> the chip and disks test ok, and I have solaris 7 installed on them
[03:48] <cafuego> vegos: What does 'INSTALL" or 'README" say you should run?
[03:49] <vegos> all of the downloads ive encountered say to do the ./configure;make;make install
[03:49] <SoulPropagation> vegos: "cat INSTALL"
[03:49] <cafuego> vegos: That's nice, but doesn't answer my question.
[03:50] <vegos> cat INSTALL?
[03:50] <SoulPropagation> vegos: ya
[03:50] <SoulPropagation> look at that file
[03:50] <SoulPropagation> it should tell you something
[03:50] <vegos> i have to go to my ubuntu partition
[03:50] <vegos> be back in a few
[03:51] <Mabus06> can someone help me to update my emu10k1 drivers?
[03:51] <Mabus06> I downloaded the tar file of the recent release, unarchived it, and I have a folder with a bunch of files in it, what do I do with it?
[03:51] <SoulPropagation> Mabus06: ./configure && make && make install
[03:52] <Mabus06> uh... noob it down for me
[03:52] <SoulPropagation> Mabus06: go to a terminal, cd into the directory
[03:52] <SoulPropagation> and type that
[03:52] <cafuego> SoulPropagation forgot step 1.
[03:52] <cafuego> Read the damn docs that come with it.
[03:52] <SoulPropagation> cafuego: *whistle*
[03:52] <Mabus06> there were no docs, cheery one
[03:53] <varsendagger> is SWAT here?
[03:53] <bimberi> also s/make install/checkinstall/      (after installing checkinstall)
[03:53] <snausages> Hey all, how can I test my CD burner, to check if there's something wrong with it? I get a lot of errors when trying to burn ISOs - most of the CDs end up being unbootable
[03:53] <cafuego> Mabus06: You're going to need the header files associated with your current kernel. Run 'sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)'
[03:53] <Mabus06> bash: ./: is a directory
[03:54] <lightbright> snausages: hello porky
[03:54] <Mabus06> E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.12-10-386
[03:54] <snausages> lightbright, huh?
[03:54] <lightbright> snausages: porky as in pork :P
[03:55] <sri> eh?
[03:55] <navarone> lightbright> that's not kosher...;)
[03:55] <lightbright> snausages: you running gnomebaker or k3b?
[03:55] <sri> mm.. sausages
[03:55] <lightbright> navarone: :)
[03:55] <snausages> lightbright, i tried both
[03:55] <snausages> k3b usually screws up more
[03:55] <SoulPropagation> snausages: try cdrecord
[03:55] <lightbright> snausages: what size cd-rw you using?
[03:55] <snausages> lightbright, 700mb
[03:56] <snausages> or wait
[03:56] <snausages> it may be a 650
[03:56] <kwtm1> Hi, all: what's the cmd-line way to see if a package is installed, not yet installed, or nonexistent again?  Is it "dpkg MyPackage" or "apt-get MyPackage" or which?  (Bonus points if I can also see the source of the package, e.g. "MyPackage is not installed but Ubuntu will get it from www.MoreUbuntuPackages.org" or something.
[03:56] <pepsi1> i am having problems with fonts
[03:56] <snausages> no, 700
[03:56] <snausages> lightbright, it's not a cd-rw, but a cd-r :)
[03:56] <pepsi1> is there some kind of secret to being able to use all the fonts on my machine?
[03:57] <lightbright> snausages: are you telling it 700 and your right speed it can do?
[03:57] <SoulPropagation> kwtm1: dpkg -l | grep packagename || apt-get install packagename
[03:57] <snausages> lightbright, yes
[03:57] <lightbright> snausages: tried test burn first?
[03:57] <gerard_21> hi!!
[03:57] <kwtm1> Thanks, SoulPropagation
[03:57] <lightbright> snausages: do the test burns work?
[03:57] <snausages> lightbright, no, i haven't done that
[03:57] <SoulPropagation> kwtm1: yeah sure no prob
[03:57] <steaven> who use samsung printe
[03:57] <snausages> lightbright, i haven't done tests, i did a burn right away
[03:57] <lightbright> snausages: just do test
[03:57] <snausages> actually i got some new cds today, and yeah, i'll try a test first
[03:58] <lightbright> snausages: just do test till you get it right!  has it picked up your right model?
[03:58] <kwtm1> SoulPropagation: I'm looking at the output; does the existence of a greppable line mean that the package is already installed?
[03:58] <gerard_21> beautiful!!
[03:58] <snausages> lightbright, it has the right burner model, yes
[03:58] <SoulPropagation> kwtm1: yah
[03:58] <gerard_21> Any one here care to chat??
[03:58] <lightbright> snausages: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA
[03:58] <kwtm1> SoulPropagation: Part of what I want to do here is to identify the correct packagename, or at least know if I've spelled the package name wrong.
[03:58] <snausages> lightbright, i think it may be the cd-rs though
[03:58] <SoulPropagation> error: The Motif library '-lXm' could not be found. <-- i have motif installed and it sees motif, so why isn't it there?
[03:58] <lightbright> snausages: have you ever used that brand cd-r before?
[03:58] <SoulPropagation> kwtm1: what Do you want to do
[03:58] <snausages> lightbright, what does that do
[03:59] <snausages> lightbright, yes, but usually just for audio cds, not for ISOs
[03:59] <sri> well, if X is broken then I shall build X..mwhaha.
[03:59] <gerard_21> Hi there!!
[03:59] <kwtm1> SoulPropagation: Say I want to install, I dunno, "Colour Paint"  ... but maybe it's "kolourpaint" or "kolor_paint" or something.  I want to know what the deb package is called.
[03:59] <lightbright> snausages: ok well are they made especially for audio?
[03:59] <bimberi> SoulPropagation: libmotif-dev perhaps??
[03:59] <sri> cvs X11 is pretty hot I hear
[03:59] <snausages> lightbright, no
[03:59] <snausages> lightbright, general purpose
[03:59] <gerard_21> color-paint !!
[03:59] <SoulPropagation> bimberi: maybe
[03:59] <lightbright> snausages: ok
[04:00] <gerard_21> yeah maybe!!
[04:00] <lightbright> snausages: you come from windows?
[04:00] <bimberi> SoulPropagation: worth a try :)
[04:00] <navarone> snausages> did you specify you were burung a image file to cd or just data? If data you amy have just burned the .iso to cd
[04:00] <SoulPropagation> bimberi: word
[04:00] <sri> cafuego: it takes a certain amount of patience to deal with people who aren't familiar with teh command line..!!
[04:00] <snausages> lightbright, yes but i haven't used windows in a few months
[04:00] <lightbright> snausages: read navarone question
[04:00] <snausages> navarone, i did an iso burn
[04:00] <SoulPropagation> sri: there's a reason bash is older than X ;)
[04:00] <SoulPropagation> well, sh
[04:00] <snausages> an image burn, rather
[04:01] <lightbright> snausages: what is on the cd?
[04:01] <navarone> image burns take forever to heal
[04:01] <lightbright> snausages: is everything on there, it just cant boot?
[04:01] <Liket> does anyone have any idea how to use a block device (hardware raid-5) greater than 2TB in breezy on an EM64T system?
[04:01] <vid21> Has anyone here tried to install Ubuntu from hard disk using Knoppix: bootfrom=/dev/hda2/ubuntu.iso
[04:01] <snausages> lightbright, sometimes the cd boots, but i get erros midway in the install
[04:01] <gerard_21> anyone here??
[04:01] <snausages> i also checked the md5sum, that was ok
[04:01] <lightbright> snausages: did it copy everyhing to the CD is what Im asking
[04:01] <navarone> snausages what brand cd you using?
[04:01] <snausages> navarone, sony
[04:01] <snausages> :P
[04:02] <SoulPropagation> Liket: prolly just a special driver
[04:02] <lightbright> snausages: if everything copied, then it seems to work and maybe prob with image, not ubuntu, not cd writer or cd's
[04:02] <gerard_21> May i can help you if you want!!
[04:02] <kwtm1> Okay, I've got to go.   Hrm.
[04:05] <vid21> Does anyone know what would happen if I tried to install Ubuntu from hard disk using Knoppix: bootfrom=/dev/hda2/ubuntu.iso
[04:05] <vid21> ?
[04:05] <henry> ey what does it mean that modules in the kernel are not available under a completely Free licence??? am I using pirate software??????????????????????
[04:06] <Liket> cafuego: last, i was able to create logical partitions (with cfdisk) totalling the full size of the disk (2.5 TB) but after that neither CFDISK not PARTED would recognize the disk anymore, so here I am in the ubuntu installer again, erasing the entire disk
[04:06] <Liket> cafuego: which is fine as it's a brand new system -- as long as i can get it to work, i'll be happy :)
[04:06] <navarone> henry> probably mean you have to dl software that is available but not open source
[04:06] <navarone> henry> like video driver
[04:07] <ttrygve> so anyway, gparted was mentioned ... anyone know of anything like that with LVM support?
[04:07] <kreatine> how can i change apt-get so that it will always go for sources online instead of on the cd?
[04:07] <henry> navarone ah ok, I dont get the code, but I dont have to pay for that software, am I right???
[04:07] <Weng> Where is Synaptic's repository list stored?
[04:08] <navarone> henry> no...you have to find what is missing and possibly get it on manufacturers site
[04:08] <kreatine> how can i change apt-get so that it will always go for sources online instead of on the cd?
[04:08] <P229> atheros chipset cards for wireless?
[04:08] <Zedugh> kreatine: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line
[04:08] <ttrygve>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:08] <navarone> henry> which modules affected?
[04:08] <kreatine> thanks guys
[04:08] <kreatine> very helpful :)
[04:08] <ttrygve> or go to Applications > Add Applications
[04:08] <Mabus06> how do I get the 2.6.12 kernel headers for ubuntu???
[04:08] <ttrygve> and edit the repositories there by selecting the cdrom one and deleting it
[04:09] <eric__> Hey...I'm a bit of an Ubuntu/linux newbie...
[04:09] <navarone> Mabus> should be in development main or universe
[04:09] <lightbright> anyone here use Gnomemeeting?
[04:09] <Mabus06> navarone, I have all my repos enabled but I can't find it
[04:09] <Mabus06> navarone, what do I search for in synaptic, or type in the command line?
[04:09] <eric__> Not sure if this is the place to ask, but I'm having a PCI graphics card issue.
[04:09] <mobus> how do I install the JRE?
[04:09] <henry> navarone I think u r asking which modules do i have installed: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386
[04:09] <navarone> Mabus> look in Synaptic but Section and look thru the Development sections
[04:09] <h2theizzo> Mabus06 apt-get install packagename
[04:10] <mobus> the ubuntuguide told me how but it was an old version
[04:10] <vego1> im having trouble installing
[04:10] <lightbright> mobus: sudo aptitude install j2re1.4
[04:10] <mobus> why aptitude may I ask?
[04:10] <mobus> and not apt?
[04:10] <vego1> when i ./configure it says that there is no c compiler in path
[04:10] <kreatine> by default is php installed as an apache module? or stand alone?
[04:10] <vego1> any help?
[04:10] <Mabus06> navarone, what do you mean look through the sections?
[04:10] <h2theizzo> vega make sure you have the gcc compiler installed
[04:10] <mobus> vegol sudo apt-get install gcc
[04:10] <ttrygve> vego: install g++
[04:11] <ttrygve> and gcc
[04:11] <Mabus06> navarone, I searched for headers and all the versions except 2.6.12 show up... which is the one I need
[04:11] <navarone> vego1? go to Synaptic adn dl "build essentials" that should sort it
[04:11] <SoulPropagation> rcn_lo.c:####: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
[04:11] <ttrygve> I think there's a bundle that includes those and several other packages
[04:11] <vego1> is that in synaptic?
[04:11] <ttrygve> yeah, build essentials, that's it
[04:11] <lightbright> mobus: some prefer aptitude as some say it keeps better records of dependencies etc if you ever want to remove something
[04:11] <sabrina_leslie> hi, when my computer boots up it waits for a network clock synchronization, even if I have the clock turned off, any ideas on why that happens?
[04:11] <navarone> vego1>yes...just do a search from Edit menu
[04:11] <sabrina_leslie> i.e. i mean clock synchronization off
[04:11] <lightbright> mobus: so I have heard anyway
[04:11] <vego1> what is the package again?
[04:11] <SoulPropagation> sabrina_leslie: just hit ctrl+c when you see the message
[04:11] <navarone> Mabus> what arch kernel you using? 686?
[04:11] <sabrina_leslie> it stays "waiting to connect to ntp.ubuntulinux.org" or somethin g
[04:11] <lightbright> mobus: sudo aptitude install j2re1.4  or sudo apt-get install j2re1.4 :)  your choice ;)
[04:12] <sabrina_leslie> soulpropagation: exactly I don't want to do that everytime! it's annoying
[04:12] <SoulPropagation> sabrina_leslie: edit your inittab then
[04:12] <sabrina_leslie> why doesn't it work by turning the clock synch off?
[04:12] <sabrina_leslie> in the GUI?
[04:12] <ttrygve> vego1: apt-get install build-essential
[04:12] <ttrygve> should do it
[04:12] <SoulPropagation> sabrina_leslie: ya
[04:12] <sabrina_leslie> soul: ubuntu should be user-friendly
[04:12] <h2theizzo> vego, -=snickers=- it everywhere
[04:12] <vego1> ok thanks guys
[04:12] <SoulPropagation> sabrina_leslie: ftmp it is
[04:13] <ttrygve> no problem vego
[04:13] <sabrina_leslie> what is ftmp ?
[04:13] <navarone> Mabus> when you open Synaptic go to lower left and click Sections...it will list packages according to category
[04:13] <SoulPropagation> for the most part
[04:13] <sabrina_leslie> well, what about the clock?
[04:13] <henry> if I try to install the source of the kernel, is not important if I have 2.6.12-9 or 2.6.12-12 ??????????????
[04:13] <lightbright> sabrina_leslie: I have the fix for that
[04:13] <sabrina_leslie> how do i "edit the initab"
[04:13] <sabrina_leslie> light: what is the fix?
[04:13] <navarone> vego1> build essentials
[04:13] <henry> sorry,  not 2.6.12-12 but  2.6.12-10
[04:13] <lightbright> sabrina_leslie: I have the fix for that!  you want to remove the synchronizing clock untuntu.org FAiled message?
[04:14] <sabrina_leslie> yes, i want it to boot automatically lightbright
[04:14] <Mabus06> navarone, I'm not sure what kernel I'm using...
[04:14] <tOpEzz> hello i need help here
[04:14] <lightbright> sabrina_leslie: then type this:  sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[04:14] <tOpEzz> my totem cannot work
[04:14] <lightbright> sabrina_leslie:  that will remove the failed message
[04:14] <tOpEzz> anybody can help me?
[04:15] <sabrina_leslie> light: THANKS
[04:15] <lightbright> tOpEzz: type this:  sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-mad lame faad gstreamer0.8-lame sox mjpegtools ffmpeg totem-xine
[04:15] <basti__> this might be a stupid question but when I view index.html on my webserver from my desktop, then I access that file as "athers" right?
[04:15] <sabrina_leslie> I did it
[04:15] <SoulPropagation> lightbright: wow, i was always too lazy to figure out how to do it, but thanks for tellin' meh! :P
[04:15] <sabrina_leslie> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/ntpdate exists during rc.d purge (continuing)
[04:15] <sabrina_leslie>  Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/ntpdate ...
[04:15] <sabrina_leslie>    /etc/rcS.d/S51ntpdate
[04:15] <tOpEzz> owh
[04:15] <tOpEzz> okey
[04:15] <tOpEzz> i try
[04:15] <lightbright> tOpEzz: then your Totem will work :)
[04:15] <lightbright> SoulPropagation: cool ;)
[04:15] <sabrina_leslie> bye light gotta test it
[04:15] <lightbright> tOpEzz: after that installed type: gst-register-0.8
[04:15] <lightbright> sabrina_leslie: ok
[04:16] <ttrygve> tOpEzz: I haven't had much luck with totem either, but follow the instructions from the relevant portions of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:16] <lightbright> tOpEzz: you may also need w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[04:16] <ttrygve> and you should have much better multimedia support
[04:16] <siriuskr> can you open MS database files in open office base ?
[04:16] <tOpEzz> still cannot
[04:16] <lightbright> ttrygve: the command I gave makes it work
[04:16] <irvin> tOpEzz: you need totem-xine
[04:16] <lightbright> tOpEzz: did you install what I said?
[04:16] <lightbright> tOpEzz: type this:  sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-mad lame faad gstreamer0.8-lame sox mjpegtools ffmpeg totem-xine
[04:16] <ttrygve> sure, totem worked after I did that, but I never did get the totem plugins working in firefox
[04:17] <siriuskr> can you open MS database files in open office base ?
[04:17] <tOpEzz> wait
[04:17] <Corrupter> whats the best p2p program for Linux?
[04:17] <tOpEzz> Totem could not startup
[04:17] <irvin> siriuskr: if you mean MS Access database yes
[04:17] <sri> ftp?
[04:17] <tOpEzz> Resource busy or not available
[04:17] <ttrygve> when playing something locally, I've found I prefer xine.  I'm guessing mplayer will probably work best for in-browser media, but I don't know
[04:17] <lightbright> Corrupter: try Gtk-Gnutella
[04:18] <siriuskr> when i try to open it in base it lets me but doesnt let me see anything in it like its not working
[04:18] <Corrupter> what about DC++ or Limewire, they any good?
[04:18] <bimberi> lightbright: so you like gtk-gnutella? :)
[04:18] <thompa-A> hi
[04:18] <fletch33> hey quick ? i was just helping a friend set up ubu and he got a beboot strap eror twice and since he set up his partitions and hasnt gotten to setup grub he says windows finds zero partitions
[04:18] <Zedugh> t0pEzz, try gxine
[04:18] <Chinaman> yawn
[04:19] <thompa-A> why isnt windows partition auto mounted in ubuntu like some other distros?
[04:19] <Mabus06> how do I install kernel headers for 2.6.12?
[04:19] <Jon2> This may sound extremely stupid, but I downloaded the latest version of Firefox and Thunderbird and they won't run.  I followed the directions in the release notes, which were extract the archive and run firefox/thunder bird, but a command prompt comes up for a split second and then it does nothing.
[04:19] <fletch33> how can i help him or what is the boot strap error
[04:19] <Corrupter> are Limewire or DC++ good programs for Linux?
[04:19] <irvin> tOpEzz: you can also use mplayer
[04:19] <Mabus06> limewire is fine, Corrupter
[04:19] <tOpEzz> gxine
[04:19] <lightbright> bimberi:  yeah thanks :)
[04:19] <tOpEzz> yea irwin
[04:19] <Corrupter> what about DC++, never used it before
[04:19] <tOpEzz> i just finish download mplayer just now
[04:20] <lightbright> bimberi:  wish I knew about that before I dl limewire!  does it need Java too?>
[04:20] <tOpEzz> hehehe
[04:20] <tOpEzz> but still dunno how to install it
[04:20] <Corrupter> get automatix
[04:20] <dducko> !limewire
[04:20] <ubotu> [limewire]  first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila.
[04:20] <bimberi> Mabus06: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:20] <fletch33> bimberi,  whats up
[04:20] <bimberi> lightbright: nope
[04:20] <irvin> tOpEzz: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[04:20] <tOpEzz> wait
[04:20] <bimberi> fletch33: nommuch :)
[04:20] <lightbright> Mabus06: why do you need kernel headers?  what is that? :P
[04:20] <fletch33> bimberi,  my buddy was setting up ubu and keeps getting a bot strap error
[04:21] <dducko> tOpEzz, How did you download mplayer?  (that was the way you should have did it) what irvin said
[04:21] <lightbright> kinetic: hello
[04:21] <bimberi> fletch33: yeah i saw that, dunno sorry
[04:21] <tOpEzz> Reading package lists... Done
[04:21] <fletch33> bimberi,  now he cant even start windows
[04:21] <dducko> lightbright, for compliling stuff, such as Nvidia drivers
[04:21] <Mabus06> no idea lightbright... I'm pretty blind here
[04:21] <tOpEzz> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:21] <tOpEzz> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[04:21] <kinetic> lightbright heloo
[04:21] <lightbright> dducko:  ah ok
[04:21] <dducko> ubotu tell tOpEzz about paste
[04:21] <dducko> ubotu tell tOpEzz about repos
[04:21] <lightbright> Mabus06:  ;P
[04:21] <tOpEzz> ?
[04:21] <Corrupter> ok, i highly disklike the face that gnutella shows your ip as you username...
[04:21] <fletch33> bimberi,  by the way i got that freenx client working fine but i cant get it working in the server end
[04:21] <tOpEzz> hhehhee
[04:22] <dducko> tOpEzz, you need to Enable the extra repos as the bot told you in those messges
[04:22] <ttrygve> siriuskr: I can't answer your question as I'm just looking at OO Base for the first time tonight, myself
[04:22] <fletch33> bimberi,  i cant win on this freenx thing
[04:22] <kinetic> is there a way to set up kde with my current ububtu install running gnome?
[04:22] <dducko> then tOpEzz you can install mplayer
[04:22] <irvin> guys, from which repo is mplayer again?
[04:22] <ttrygve> but if you find any good beginner docs for it, I'd appreciate a pointer =)
[04:22] <fletch33> bimberi,  it says freenx but it is costing me my sanity lol
[04:22] <dducko> Yeas kinetic apt-get install kde-desktop
[04:22] <Hobbsee> irvin: probably multiverse
[04:22] <bimberi> fletch33: :(
[04:23] <Hobbsee> kinetic: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <dducko> kinetic, sorry, kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <tOpEzz> ok
[04:23] <tOpEzz> wait
[04:23] <irvin> tOpEzz: just add main restricted universe multiverse on you /etc/apt/sources.list deb lines
[04:23] <irvin> tOpEzz: then sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <irvin> tOpEzz: then sudo apt-get install mplayer
[04:23] <Chinaman> heya brownman
[04:23] <BrownMan> hi
[04:23] <Chinaman> tell us the problem
[04:24] <Chinaman> having trouble mounting, eh?
[04:24] <BrownMan> So I'm a first time user from Windows and I want to take my .mp3 songs from there to play on Ubuntu
[04:24] <BrownMan> and from what I understand I have to mount my NTFS filesystem from Windows
[04:24] <BrownMan> To read it
[04:24] <Sgeper> Are there any precompiled packages with KQEMU?
[04:24] <rajasun> t0pEzz: enable multiverse in your sources.list then run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install mplayer-386
[04:24] <bimberi> BrownMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !tell BrownMan about mount
[04:25] <irvin> BrownMan : yes you need to mount it
[04:25] <kinetic> dducko, hobbsee: thank you both :)
[04:25] <zovirl> I have a process hanging on a disk problem ("media error (bad sector)")  How do I kill it?  Kill -9 doesn't work
[04:25] <Mabus06> OT: (23:22:03) Nick: how can I easily give directions to a windows computer noob in order for him to get his motherboard name and give it to me?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kinetic: no problem
[04:25] <ttrygve> BrownMan: and after that, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:25] <irvin> Sgeper: sudo apt-cache search kqemu
[04:25] <irvin> ;-)
[04:26] <kinetic> hobbsee: after it finishes installing i can just select kde from my sessions thinger before i log in?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:26] <BrownMan> Great thanks
[04:26] <kinetic> gotta love that linux
[04:26] <BrownMan> I'm never going back to Windows
[04:27] <lightbright> BrownMan: me either
[04:27] <kinetic> i have a dual-boot
[04:27] <irvin> Sgeper: there's qemu on universe tho
[04:27] <navarone> Kinetic> yes, penguins are people too...just in evening wear
[04:27] <DShepherd> lol @ lightbright
[04:27] <Remmelas> I have a problem with libs in /usr/local/lib, my programs can't seem to see them there, is there an easy fix?
[04:27] <lightbright> rofl @ DShepherd
[04:27] <kinetic> navarone: lol
[04:27] <FFighter> Hello all
[04:27] <Chinaman> lightbright, i still have to use Windows for 3D modeling and CAD
[04:28] <kinetic> ffighter: hello
[04:28] <Chinaman> so i have no choice BUT to use windows
[04:28] <lightbright> Chinaman: yeah
[04:28] <kreatine> remmelas update ur linker
[04:28] <DShepherd> I use windows for gaming mostly
[04:28] <Chinaman> and it's so much simpler to play games in Windows
[04:28] <irvin> Chinaman: have you tried blender?
[04:28] <lightbright> Chinaman: use windows jyst for that and Linux for eveythging else :)
[04:28] <navarone> Chinman> I use it for Halo online and that's about it
[04:28] <Chinaman> yes i have irvin
[04:28] <kinetic> i use windows for games mostly
[04:28] <lightbright> Chinaman: irvin?
[04:28] <FFighter> Im a Windows XP and Web Developer, got interested on Open Source trough the efforts of the guys @ osflash.org
[04:28] <FFighter> Im downloading the ubuntu 5.01 DVD
[04:28] <Remmelas> kreatine, I was thinking about it, but, since ld.so.conf seems to be completely missing, i wasn't sure if i could just create it, or if there was some other way this was handled in ubuntu
[04:28] <lightbright> kinetic: get a xbox for games and uise Linux for everything else ;)
[04:28] <thompa> why doesnt ubuntu automount the windows partition? just curious
[04:28] <Chinaman> lightbright, was talking to person above ye
[04:29] <DShepherd> I cant wait till they start making games with better linux support
[04:29] <lightbright> Chinaman: ok :P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> thompa: often, it does, during the install
[04:29] <kreatine> thompa maybe its not stup to automount?
[04:29] <DShepherd> ps3 fan here!!
[04:29] <kinetic> ffighter isn't 5.10 the newest version?
[04:29] <Chinaman> irvin, i need Inventor 10, Autocad 2006 and 3ds max...
[04:29] <lightbright> lol @ DShepherd
[04:29] <Chinaman> standard formats for robotics team, gotta follow em
[04:29] <FFighter> oh yeah sorry kinetic, my mistake
[04:29] <FFighter> =P
[04:29] <Kerr> ugh. finally got  ubuntu to install, but had to use the us utf-8 locale as nothing else worked, and mess about with broken dependancies everywhere, and gnome only works in failsafe, and the screen is grainy ~.~ Is this all because i ordered my breezy cds before breezy released and got some kind of betamax  editon?
[04:29] <kinetic> lol "breezy badger"
[04:29] <Chinaman> lightbright: gaming on windows is much less of a hassle as well
[04:30] <thompa> well its not a big deal, i was just wondering why they decided against it.
[04:30] <Chinaman> no need for cedega
[04:30] <DShepherd> when the start making games more friendly with linux, people will have to pay me to work with windows :0
[04:30] <irvin> Chinaman: gfx aint my thing :-(
[04:30] <DShepherd> :)
[04:30] <kinetic> dshepard: ditto
[04:30] <thompa> either for simplicity, protection or avoid litigation
[04:30] <kreatine> Remmelas google ld.so.conf u'll get plenty of info to nibble on :)
[04:30] <Chinaman> irvin, gfx aren't many people's strong point
[04:30] <Chinaman> so fret not
[04:30] <FFighter> Im very excited about getting my hands real dirty and hack it! Never used any flaver of Linux/Unix seriously before
[04:30] <BrownMan> Where is the commandline?
[04:31] <Chinaman> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[04:31] <kinetic> beat me to it
[04:31] <DShepherd> FFighter: welcome to this side of the world. The grass is greener on this side
[04:31] <Chinaman> haha
[04:31] <Remmelas> kreatine, appreciate it, like i said, i'm pretty comfortable creating it, just thought it odd that it was completely missing from my install, so didn't want to break some strange 'ubuntu-ism', i went ahead and created it, and updated, appreciate the info.
[04:31] <FFighter> Yeah DShepherd! I was just thinking this way some minutes ago!
[04:32] <DShepherd> BrownMan: gnome or kde?
[04:32] <FFighter> THE FREEDOM TO DO EVERYTHING the way you want and to share it
[04:32] <ajmitch_> Filbert: just how much are you planning to hack it? :)
[04:32] <FFighter> its a feeling I never had before but Im starting to feel this need now
[04:32] <Chinaman> DShepherd, he's using Gnome
[04:32] <ajmitch_> s/filbert/FFighter/
[04:32] <DShepherd> FFighter: that's so beautiful... I going to cry
[04:32] <Mabus06> OT:  how can I easily give directions to a windows computer noob in order for him to get his motherboard name and give it to me?
[04:32] <DShepherd> i;m*
[04:32] <FFighter> :D
[04:32] <lightbright> FFighter: seek not just liberty, seek also personal and inner freedom
[04:32] <kreatine> Remmelas ur guess is my guess :) i've been using ubuntu for 3 days dont know if they have a special linker scheme, i doubt it :)
[04:33] <Chinaman> mabus06, make him boot into windows and run CPU-Z
[04:33] <lightbright> FFighter: freedom from conformity
[04:33] <navarone> Mabus> or tell him to open box and peek inside...;)
[04:33] <DShepherd> lol @ lightbright. you a poet? :)
[04:33] <Chinaman> that too
[04:33] <kinetic> mabus06 : hes using windows??? if so have him try installing SANDRA
[04:33] <kreatine> Remmelas i doubt they would go as far as implementing a different scheme, no point :)
[04:33] <Remmelas> kreatine, hehe, i've been using it for about 3 weeks, came from linuxfromscratch to this... i guess if i break it it's a lot easier to back out than custom builds
[04:33] <BrownMan> uhhhhh
[04:33] <DShepherd> lightbright: *ubuntu turns men into poets*
[04:34] <BrownMan> can someone take a look at what my commandline means
[04:34] <Mabus06> without installing things, Chinaman, kinetic? Isn't there some basic thing in control panel or something?
[04:34] <Chinaman> kinetic: downloading CPU-Z is a lot faster
[04:34] <kreatine> Remmelas me 2 from lfs :)
[04:34] <FFighter> LOL
[04:34] <FFighter> :D
[04:34] <DShepherd> DShepherd: women too
[04:34] <lightbright> DShepherd: may I ask your age pls?
[04:34] <Chinaman> Mabus06, no
[04:34] <FFighter> ubuntu has a very beutiful philosophy
[04:34] <kinetic> chinaman: true i use both
[04:34] <DShepherd> lightbright: yes you may
[04:34] <lightbright> DShepherd: ok tell me
[04:34] <FFighter> that was the main thing that attracted me to this dist
[04:34] <Chinaman> Control Panel doesn't have anything that detects motherboards
[04:34] <germancito> Hello!!
[04:34] <Mabus06> you guys are shitting me...
[04:34] <kinetic> ?
[04:34] <lightbright> whats the guys name that started ubuntu again?
[04:35] <ajmitch_> Mabus06: excuse me?
[04:35] <navarone> Shuttleworth
[04:35] <ClayG> Some African Tribal Minister
[04:35] <ClayG> Yeah Ubuntu Shuttleworth
[04:35] <kreatine> why am i constantly getting this message ? [22:34]  *** kreatine: you need to be a channel operator to do that
[04:35] <Kerr> anyoe who cares: why was installing ubuntu like pulling teeth, did i offend it somehow? shouldn't it Just Work (TM)? Why is it still horribly broken?
[04:35] <kreatine> i'm not doing anything :)
[04:35] <bigr1951> how do u download and then install
[04:35] <DShepherd> lightbright: 2 decades and 2
[04:35] <lightbright> navarone: do you have an idea what is Shuttleworth's Spiritual beliefs?  is he a Christian or buddhist or ?
[04:35] <navarone> ClayG> It's the same guy who recently paid to go into space
[04:35] <lightbright> DShepherd: hmm I thought you were younger, a lot younger :P
[04:35] <ClayG> The Nsync kid?
[04:36] <FFighter> I plan to move all my work to Linux gradually (well, most of it) ... I think Linux kind of forces you to know things that can be really useful later.. Windows kind of hide it
[04:36] <j813> Hi guys
[04:36] <kinetic> Kerr: did you do the default install or an expert?
[04:36] <ClayG> but seriously I think I know who you speak off
[04:36] <ClayG> is he an old white guy with white hair?
[04:36] <DShepherd> lightbright: I thought you were a big thinker. think bigger!!
[04:36] <rajasun> kreatine: probably due to some scripts you have in your irc client
[04:36] <lightbright> ClayG: he is bold
[04:36] <navarone> lightbright> I'm not in touch with Mr. S's spiritual beliefs...but I'll try him on Astral Gaim (tm) :)
[04:36] <ClayG> bold?
[04:36] <lightbright> navarone:  thanks :)
[04:36] <j813> how can I enable mp3 here in 5.10?
[04:36] <ClayG> Bold as in ideas and motivated?
[04:36] <lightbright> ClayG: Bald
[04:36] <kreatine> ffighter not really, linux is point and click as well most of the time :)
[04:36] <ClayG> oh sorry
[04:36] <DShepherd> lightbright: now may I ask how much decades have you seen?
[04:37] <lightbright> ClayG: as in not much hair on top :P
[04:37] <Kerr> kinetic: expert, as i needed to manually partition; i'm installing alongside a corrupt etch/sid install.
[04:37] <lightbright> but planty in sides
[04:37] <Chinaman> j813:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:37] <kreatine> its at a point where you dont have to learn anything if you dont want to :)
[04:37] <lightbright> DShepherd: 4
[04:37] <j813> thanks China
[04:37] <ClayG> Well, give him my thanks, ubuntu is the only distro that I feel comfortable dumping doze for
[04:37] <thompa> is there a way to keep kde desktop icons from being broken in ubuntu desktop?
[04:37] <DShepherd> lightbright: kool... you are very mature
[04:37] <ClayG> even though , and I'd hate to say this here, the apps on doze seems to run faster
[04:37] <irvin> ClayG: www.markshuttleworth.com
[04:38] <lightbright> DShepherd: and wise :)
[04:38] <navarone> Clayg> except for small mouse issue...and eventually installing nvidia drivers...my install was painless
[04:38] <lightbright> DShepherd: want to read my story?
[04:38] <kinetic> Kerr: im not familiar with etch/sid (kinda n00b myself)
[04:38] <ClayG> Oh my install was flawless
[04:38] <bigr1951> is there a place i can get help in just the basics of ubuntu
[04:38] <ClayG> but on another box it wasn't
[04:38] <thompa> i noticed as soon as i installed kubuntu-desktop that thre is now a trash icon in gnome
[04:38] <ClayG> but the apt-get is something that is a godsend
[04:38] <ClayG> for me at least
[04:38] <ttrygve> like what, bigr1951?
[04:38] <lightbright> DShepherd: http://www.eternaljoy.pfwh.net/  <--- And Click on ABOUT for my story :)
[04:38] <navarone> thompa> I think there always was a trash icon in gnome
[04:38] <ttrygve> there's a "Getting Started" guide
[04:38] <ClayG> I have had to compile a package or two, and I'm able but wouldnt bet I could do it 10 times and 10 times have no hitches
[04:39] <FFighter> I also work with .NET framework... Is mono stable enough to offer a quality fw as .NET is?
[04:39] <Kerr> kinetic: debian, my debian install broke; a bad crash ate up some core libs, i tried to repair it but failed; had an ubuntu cd handy.
[04:39] <ClayG> but apt-get is awsome, the support is great
[04:39] <kreatine> one problem i've noticed in GNOME and maybe someone can answer, if you connect to a samba server you get a link to it on your desktop and thre is no way to freakin remove that link!@!
[04:39] <thompa> navarone: oh, well now the icon is missing
[04:39] <ClayG> irc included!
[04:39] <FFighter> Got into Eclipse and Java too! Im expading my mind :)
[04:39] <ClayG> Not alot of those "Google it" or "man it"'ers
[04:39] <lightbright> ClayG: try aptitude too
[04:39] <tOpEzz> still cannot
[04:39] <navarone> thompa> are you in gnome enviro now or boot into kde?
[04:39] <tOpEzz> uwaaaaaaaaaaa
[04:39] <bigr1951> I am not a computer person but i downloaded things but dont know what to do to install as in windows
[04:39] <thompa> navarone: obviously i cant have icons in the 2 different desktops
[04:39] <ClayG> people that are so quick to tell you to google it, but when you google it you find a bunch of forums results of people asking questions and others saying to google it
[04:39] <ClayG> lol
[04:39] <thompa> im in gnome
[04:40] <ClayG> why not answer it and create another result for the next guy that does google it
[04:40] <DShepherd> lightbright: wow.. you wrote all that?
[04:40] <FFighter> LOL ClayG
[04:40] <kinetic> Could someone more weatherinf w/ linux help Kerr?
[04:40] <thompa> navarone: if i create a launcher in gnome what happens in kde desktop?
[04:40] <lightbright> DShepherd: indeed I did :)
[04:40] <ClayG> and I may be slow but the syntax in the man pages aren't the easiest to understand
[04:40] <thompa> and visa versa
[04:40] <DShepherd> k
[04:40] <kinetic> weathered*
[04:40] <navarone> thompa> I dunno...I am pure gnome
[04:40] <DShepherd> lightbright: kool
[04:40] <lightbright> DShepherd: and I wrote my story to share
[04:40] <FFighter> thank you for the warm welcome!
[04:40] <ClayG> DOS's /? seemed alot easier and the type of language I understand
[04:40] <DShepherd> lightbright: job well done
[04:40] <lightbright> DShepherd: my story has appeared in magazine
[04:40] <FFighter> I currently downloading the DVD trough BitTOrrent
[04:40] <lightbright> DShepherd: thank you :)
[04:41] <DShepherd> lightbright: sweet
[04:41] <zdennis> hey all...i am having no luck with the latest linux-image-kernel-2.6.12-10-k7
[04:41] <ClayG> but I love how in the unice's cli you can multitask
[04:41] <thompa> navarone: i think there is a way to create 2 different desktop initiate folders
[04:41] <lightbright> DShepherd: do you share some views?
[04:41] <ClayG> and I heard that that has been possible for quite some time
[04:41] <odin> I just installed ubuntu..  I don't remember setup asking me for a root password..  Is it defaulted?
[04:41] <holycow> FFighter, there are a LOT of frameworks out there
[04:41] <zdennis> i get a kernel panic when rebooting....but all of my other kernels work fine
[04:41] <FFighter> probally tomorrow I will be installing it ...
[04:41] <ClayG> in dos the program had to allow it
[04:41] <zdennis> anyone else seen issues with the latest 2.6.12-10 update?
[04:41] <holycow> .net is a drop in the bucket ... mostly in it not really being a framwork
[04:41] <DShepherd> lightbright: *reading your story* will talk to you soon
[04:41] <ClayG> I think the first one that I saw to allow you to drop to dos was telemate a pretty cool modem software
[04:41] <holycow> but a way to sandbox apps/framworks
[04:41] <kinetic> All : have a good night and gl all
[04:41] <ttrygve> well, bigr1951, I'm not sure what to tell you without more specific questions, but this might be a good place to start: http://help.ubuntu.com/
[04:41] <lightbright> DShepherd:  ok :)
[04:41] <kinetic> bye
[04:41] <navarone> thompa> I am certain that the desktops keep their configs and such seperate by design
[04:41] <holycow> FFighter, google is your friend and welcome to linux :)
[04:41] <FFighter> holycow: Could you point me to good developer sites about Linux Development and related stuff?
[04:42] <ClayG> or maybe it was qmodem, either way mulitasking pre-windows days was few and far in between
[04:42] <holycow> FFighter, google.com
[04:42] <holycow> seriously
[04:42] <ClayG> Hahah
[04:42] <FFighter> or recommend some books?
[04:42] <holycow> its such a big topic i cannto begin to fathom where you would start
[04:42] <snausages> lightbright, if I wanna do a test burn in l3b, do I select the "Simulate" checkbox?
[04:42] <FFighter> was hoping for that answer
[04:42] <Comrade_Vladimir> ok heres what i found on my usb problem    it works on the primary account (my flash drive) but not my own account though my account is also an admin account
[04:42] <snausages> k3b*
[04:42] <FFighter> :D
[04:42] <holycow> start with researching mono, and go from there
[04:42] <navarone> FFighter> Linux Desk Reference by Scot Hawkings
[04:42] <FFighter> Im going to google for it
[04:42] <thompa> navarone:  well changing one will give you pictureless icons on the other thats for sure
[04:42] <holycow> FFighter, well at first you will be overwhelmed by choice
[04:43] <Comrade_Vladimir> im on my account now
[04:43] <thompa> navarone:  no big deal though
[04:43] <holycow> this isn't microsoft, meaning there are many many ways to do many  many things
[04:43] <holycow> not just the ms way
[04:43] <FFighter> Is mono comparable to Java on cross-platform habilities?
[04:43] <tdwyer> Got a question.  The Evolution email program keeps crashing on start up
[04:43] <holycow> secondly, what are you building, what do you need
[04:43] <tdwyer> any one know why?
[04:43] <zdennis> FFighter, no
[04:43] <holycow> each type of problem requires a different toolset
[04:43] <bigr1951> how do u get a one-on-one chat
[04:43] <FFighter> yeah... makes sense, with freedom comes more responsabiliti and possibilities
[04:44] <holycow> lastly, my bias is to NEVER EVER put a windows box on the net, even behind a linux/bsd box
[04:44] <FFighter> do you really think so holycow?
[04:44] <holycow> develop on open servers, deliver to any client is the general approach i take, but that really is only germaine to my problem set
[04:44] <FFighter> I still like Windows for its DirectX framework.. I like to write games sometimes as a hobby
[04:44] <FFighter> Gotta start using BlitzMax
[04:45] <holycow> FFighter, i work mostly on corporate stuff no games so that problem set nicely dices it self into client/server architectures
[04:45] <Comrade_Vladimir> anyone  usb know it all here?
[04:45] <navarone> Bigrl951> are you using xchat?
[04:45] <holycow> games are different
[04:45] <holycow> i.e. my approach really is only meant for me
[04:45] <bigr1951> yes
[04:45] <holycow> poke around see what you like its a big world :)
[04:46] <Comrade_Vladimir> ok heres what i found on my usb problem    it works on the primary account (my flash drive) but not my own account though my account is also an admin account
[04:46] <holycow> FFighter, in general from people that dev games, game dev is a wee bit easier on win, but you loose portability
[04:46] <holycow> on linux its a wee bit harder but you generally gain portability if you use the right tools
[04:46] <FFighter> yeah... I think all these years ONLY using Windows boxes have blinded me somehow
[04:46] <holycow> but thats a gross oversimplification
[04:46] <DShepherd> lightbright: wow.. you have been thru alot..
[04:47] <FFighter> thanks for the attention holycow
[04:47] <FFighter> Are you always around here?
[04:47] <holycow> FFighter, they have, five it time, no one here really preaches linux for everything, it just seems that way because you haveto shout hard to get heard over top of ms lies
[04:47] <holycow> theres a place for everything
[04:47] <holycow> give it time i mean
[04:48] <DShepherd> lightbright: very inspiring story...
[04:48] <FFighter> Now Im really feeling the real meaning of the Open Source philosophy
[04:48] <morphix> is there a openssl dev package?
[04:49] <bpasdar> Anyone having problems with evolution on Breezy?
[04:49] <lightbright> DShepherd: thank you kindly
[04:49] <lightbright> bpasdar: it works fine with me
[04:49] <DShepherd> lightbright: sure... no need to thank me though
[04:49] <holycow> FFighter :) its about freedom and sharing, the worth of it will become self evident after you have done enough research and tooled around a bit
[04:49] <lightbright> DShepherd: ok
[04:49] <holycow> FFighter, no one has to actually sell it, all anyone really needs to say is try it and decide for your self
[04:49] <DShepherd> lightbright: so what have you been doing with your life now?
[04:49] <bpasdar> lightbright: ever since the last apt-get update I cant keep it up for more than two minutes without crashing
[04:50] <lightbright> bpasdar: what update?
[04:50] <holycow> lightbright, what story? tha site looks like jesus propaganda
[04:50] <lightbright> DShepherd:  im moving into full time ministry and evangelism
[04:51] <lightbright> sorry foilks off topic
[04:51] <FFighter> I had a different concept about it all... it was when I installed Eclipse to start doing Open Source Flash development with MTASC (do you know it?) that I started change my ideas about it
[04:51] <navarone> holycow> I can see linux being used for all kinds of things...but I think it would really shine as a hub for your music and other household entertainment needs. Even my crappy Kinyo speakers sound great. I can imagine what surround sound could do...<drool>
[04:51] <unique311> hello
[04:51] <FFighter> Eclipse is damn good dev enviroment
[04:51] <DShepherd> lightbright: ok kool
[04:51] <yannz> Hello, does ubuntu have a repository in which quakeforge can be found? :)
[04:51] <FFighter> did not know it was so cool
[04:51] <bpasdar> lightbright: I believe the standard package updates available as of this morning.
[04:51] <lightbright> holycow: Truth is never dependent upon the consensus of opinion :)
[04:51] <holycow> mtasc? never heard of it but i shall be googling it :)
[04:51] <germancito> hello unique311
[04:51] <lightbright> holycow: and that's your personal opinion, yet it doesn't mean your opinion is correct or true. :)
[04:51] <FFighter> www.mtasc.org
[04:51] <holycow> lightbright, likewise
[04:51] <lightbright> bpasdar: ah ok
[04:51] <FFighter> Its a Open Source ActionScript2 Compiler
[04:51] <lightbright> holycow:  indeed works for me also
[04:52] <holycow> navarone, its a rapidly morphing environment
[04:52] <lightbright> holycow: it works for me, maybe not for you
[04:52] <holycow> navarone, maybe a year ago i would of agreed but as of gnome 2.10 wow
[04:52] <holycow> navarone, i am starting to deploy it as a desktop in some specific demographics
[04:52] <unique311> i think this issue is off topic, but i am running ubuntu on one of my machines, so here we go, i have 2 machines on a router, but i can't ping neither one from each other..
[04:52] <bpasdar> lightbright: I had similar probs with kmail.  Alas I seem to be the only one.  Everything works PURRRFECT for everyone else :(
[04:52] <holycow> i have a bunch of pilots out there infact ....
[04:52] <lightbright> bpasdar: yeah works perfect for me
[04:52] <unique311> how do i set it up so that i can ping the machines from each other.
[04:53] <lightbright> bpasdar: maybe user error?
[04:53] <navarone> holycow> I think Linux has already made inroads...from web servers to now being used in embeded devices and kiosk type businesses
[04:53] <bpasdar> lightbright: Breezy?
[04:53] <lightbright> bpasdar: I use breezy yes from scratch
[04:53] <holycow> navarone, well webservers is not a good example
[04:53] <FFighter> is anyone here, besides me, using Windows right now?
[04:53] <holycow> its windows that is making inroads there
[04:53] <DShepherd> FFighter: I am using windows now
[04:53] <holycow> linux has always owned the net along with bsd
[04:53] <Chinaman> FFighter, me
[04:53] <bpasdar> lightbright: maybe?  Layer 8 -- I'll have to fire myself and hire a new me :)
[04:53] <morphix> FFighter, i am.. i'm multitasking winxp + ubuntu
[04:53] <DShepherd> FFighter: I getting paid to use it
[04:53] <lightbright> bpasdar:  :)
[04:53] <holycow> after about 92 anyway i would say
[04:54] <thompa> i went through the steps to mount my windows partition,  but why dows hda1 show only windows files?
[04:54] <bigr1951> would anyone chat with me one on one for the basics
[04:54] <j813> where can change my NVidia video card settings, or change Video card drivers?
[04:54] <navarone> holycow> I meant from being the de facto web server software to diversification as needs change and markets shift
[04:54] <holycow> the servers are easy, the desktop is hard because the problem set is not neatly defined
[04:54] <bpasdar> lightbright: THANK YOU for trying!
[04:54] <typewriter> im using KDE... my video card on 24bit color cant run higher than 800x600.. but on 16bit it can... i rather run 16bit then... how can i run it on 16bit and force it to use the highest resolution possible?
[04:54] <holycow> navarone, ah *nod*
[04:54] <lightbright> bpasdar: sorry couldnt help
[04:54] <thompa> in file system: media i have an empty windows folder also
[04:54] <DShepherd> thompa: what do you mean only windows files?
[04:55] <SoulPropagation> how do i get compositing to start with X in breezy?
[04:55] <FFighter> What partition would be common to both WIndows and Linux, I mean, if I would create one to share files beetwen the 2 OS
[04:55] <FFighter> partition format
[04:55] <SoulPropagation> FFighter: fat32
[04:55] <SoulPropagation> FFighter: aka vfat
[04:55] <thompa> DShepherd: i guess hda1 is only windows partition?
[04:55] <navarone> FFighter...fat 32 can both read and write t
[04:56] <SoulPropagation> navarone: lil slow there eh? ;)
[04:56] <navarone> Soul> getting old...
[04:56] <Chinaman> navarone, that's what i'm using for storing stuff on the 20GB I have
[04:56] <DShepherd> thompa: ok.. well, do you have a question?
[04:56] <thompa> DShepherd: but then in media i have hda1 folder and an empty windows folder
[04:56] <thompa> DShepherd:  whats the windows folder for and how can i delete it?
[04:57] <FFighter> nice to meet you all
[04:57] <FFighter> leaving now
[04:57] <FFighter> thanks for the warm reception
[04:57] <DShepherd> thompa: well its not ther by default so you must have created it... when you were doing the steps
[04:57] <SoulPropagation> how do i get compositing to start with X in breezy? setting it to priority 0 doesn't do it
[04:57] <snausages> lightbright, i just wanted to let you know, i just burned an iso successfully, no errors. it may have been the cd-rs
[04:58] <morphix> is there a openssl dev package?
[04:58] <navarone> Chinaman> I installed ubuntu after installing new drive. I left enough free space for ubuntu to use and have two ntfs Partions (unused yet) a fat32 partiton on new drive and another smaller fat 32 on primary drive with win2k which I use for transfer of files to windows if I dl music in linux.
[04:58] <thompa> DShepherd: hmm, no i created media/hda1
[04:58] <DShepherd> thompa: it is not neccessary and can be deleted...sudo rmdir <foldername>
[04:58] <thompa> STRANGE
[04:58] <thompa> ok thanks
[04:59] <holycow> FFighter, see ya around
[04:59] <Chinaman> navarone: i use the fat32 drive to store CD images, movies, photos/pictures and music
[04:59] <Chinaman> i'm getting a new comp soon that's gonna be 20GB Linux and 120GB Windows with 20GB left over for transferring stuff between the two OSes
[05:00] <Spacious> why use Linux over Windows?
[05:00] <morphix> just use linux totally :P
[05:00] <Chinaman> for looking at pr0n!
[05:00] <navarone> China> I had prob with linux p2p not saving files in designated folder on fat32. Turned out to be a permission prob... could not write to Music folder as I was not creator/owner. So I made a folder in same drive while in ubuntu and transfer files to that and then retransfer to final folder when in windows
[05:00] <DShepherd> thompa: if you want to recreate it just sudo mkdir <foldername>
[05:01] <mark__> is ubuntu supposed to automatically mount external usb hard drives?
[05:01] <Chinaman> actually, it's more for downloading and keeping CPU usage minimum
[05:01] <Spacious> morphix, but doesnt linux have a lot of multimedia issues, compatiblity and speed problems?
[05:01] <Spacious> im using windows
[05:01] <morphix> Spacious, not that i know of lopl
[05:01] <morphix> lol*
[05:01] <thompa> DShepherd:  i removed it, its fine, thanks
[05:01] <morphix> only prob atm is gaming
[05:01] <Chinaman> navarone: i haven't tried saving P2P stuff to a FAT32 from Ubuntu yet
[05:01] <morphix> cedega fixes that but not ALL games work.
[05:01] <Spacious> morphix, so you're using ubuntu
[05:01] <Chinaman> but...i can always try
[05:01] <Chinaman> morphix: that's why i still have windows
[05:02] <Chinaman> gotta get my dose of speed...the need for speed
[05:02] <Chinaman> most wanted of course
[05:02] <Chinaman> heh
[05:02] <DShepherd> Spacious: have you ever used a linux distro?
[05:02] <navarone> China> if the folders on the fat32 partion have a little padlock on them then you acn look but not write to them
[05:02] <DShepherd> thompa: ok kool have fun
[05:02] <morphix> Spacious, i have winxp corp on this pc.. and i have another pc with ubuntu on it.
[05:02] <Spacious> DShepherd, ive used ubuntu and slackware before along with xandros...but i felt that i was missing something
[05:02] <Spacious> morphix, is there any need to additionally secure a linux box?
[05:02] <Chinaman> navarone, i wrote 4 CD images to the FAT32 without probs
[05:02] <Spacious> morphix, like are there any settings that you can tweak like in windows
[05:03] <Spacious> to make it more secure
[05:03] <Chinaman> Spacious: security? what's that?
[05:03] <morphix> windows = unsecured from the start
[05:03] <morphix> linux = everything secured/closed up from start.
[05:03] <DShepherd> morphix: he said more secure..so its relative to the start
[05:03] <Spacious> morphix, what about if im running a server?  what do i need to do to secure linux?
[05:03] <Chinaman> indeed it is
[05:03] <Spacious> morphix, i see all these guides on the internet about linux antivirus and how to secure linux, etc
[05:03] <Chinaman> nesseus infection scanning stuff and then firestarter firewall
[05:03] <Chinaman> don't know what else you can get
[05:04] <holycow> Spacious, that is a big question
[05:04] <Chinaman> pretty much, you can't get killed when you're in linux
[05:04] <holycow> the general answer is that you need a lot of expertice to properly lock down any web server
[05:04] <dducko> Antivirus is mostly for scannin windows files
[05:04] <Spacious> Chinaman, i thought that the reason linux has virtually no viruses was because MS has like all the market$hare
[05:04] <Spacious> bimberi, i am
[05:04] <Chinaman> there's been 3 viruses/worms/junk that has EVER existed
[05:04] <Chinaman> Spacious: another reason is that it's a lot harder to write for LInux
[05:04] <B_166-ER-X> 3 virus for Nux, millions for Win
[05:04] <B_166-ER-X> wow
[05:04] <sri> Chinaman: dude, linux can be hacked.
[05:05] <Chinaman> yes it can be
[05:05] <holycow> Spacious, no, it has all the viruses primarily because their users at taught that any moron can be an administrator ... and they all believe that running as root is acceptable
[05:05] <B_166-ER-X> Virus on windoze, are like replicators in SG1
[05:05] <Chinaman> holycow, true
[05:05] <DShepherd> sri: yes it can, but not very easy though
[05:05] <sri> getting someone to run rm -rf $HOME will be just as annoying as getting a virus :)
[05:05] <Chinaman> lol
[05:05] <Spacious> holycow, so there is no way to further secure linux....like if i have a job as a linux sysadmin
[05:05] <Spacious> or something
[05:06] <holycow> sri, at least they wont end up deleting all of c: that way
[05:06] <sri> no, but it's still leaves them without their data
[05:06] <sri> and thats probably just as emotionally devestating as having their own machine screwed.
[05:06] <DShepherd> sri: and you have admin privileges to run such a command
[05:06] <sri> besides, it's likelye veryone will use the same account
[05:06] <ubuntu> #cebu
[05:06] <sri> I don't need admin privs to run rm -rf /home/sri
[05:06] <holycow> Spacious, oh there is, i'm simply trying to frame the question for you, security in general is a field of study and expertice all on it's own.  in order to properly research security measures for your application you need to approach it with the big picture in mind
[05:07] <Chinaman> Spacious, you can always set up a Clam AntiVirus Server
[05:07] <Chinaman> or use the OpenSource AV program
[05:07] <DShepherd> sri: externally yes, internally no..
[05:07] <holycow> with that being said, you can start with some of the basics that you can google up, particularly the debian security documentation if you are running debianized servers
[05:07] <holycow> from there some form of certification would be recommended, at least by me
[05:07] <Spacious> Chinaman, im just new to linux and am afraid that i will not be able to learn fast enough....i assumed that linux was secure by default...n stuff.  im only 15 so i dont know too much...i spent nearly all my time on windows
[05:07] <SoulPropagation> sri: chmod 0744 /bin/rm ;)
[05:07] <DShepherd> sri: but in your example.. that;s not a virus... that just being silly
[05:08] <Chinaman> and Spacious, there's nothing better than curiosity
[05:08] <Chinaman> i started using Ubuntu this year
[05:08] <holycow> indeed
[05:08] <Chinaman> probably about 3 months ago
[05:08] <Chinaman> it's been great
[05:08] <Chinaman> no viruses, no spyware
[05:08] <Liket> oh holy fucking shit!!
[05:08] <Liket> liket@server:~$ sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda
[05:08] <navarone> Only bout a month for me
[05:08] <Liket>  Timing buffered disk reads:  1224 MB in  3.00 seconds = 407.79 MB/sec
[05:08] <Ophiocus> Spacious, give it a shot, dual boot ubuntu in your win machine
[05:08] <Liket> this HAS to be some kind of a record :)
[05:08] <holycow> Chinaman, nice, what is your previous experience? what do you use your desktop for?
[05:08] <DShepherd> Spacious: dont worry, Linux is not a black box, like some OSes I know..
[05:08] <Spacious> DShepherd, black box?
[05:09] <Chinaman> holycow: i typically used windows...tried mandrake a bit and didn't like it
[05:09] <DShepherd> lol @ Spacious
[05:09] <Chinaman> i still use a lot of windows for CAD and 3D modeling
[05:09] <holycow> Chinaman, mandrake has always been bugy *nod*
[05:09] <Chinaman> plus the occasional LAN
[05:09] <holycow> ah indeed, cool
[05:09] <Chinaman> or online halo game
[05:09] <holycow> your a cad fella? not like the maya/xsi type of stuff?
[05:09] <morphix> my only reason i wont go fully over to linux.. is the gaming side of things.
[05:10] <morphix> i always game.
[05:10] <Chinaman> holycow, i work with 3ds max, Inventor and Autocad
[05:10] <DShepherd> Spacious: black box = something that works.. but  you dont know how it works
[05:10] <holycow> Chinaman, neat
[05:10] <DShepherd> Spacious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box <-- read
[05:10] <Spacious> DShepherd, yeah i really want to learn the internals of linux...like the back of my hand
[05:10] <holycow> Chinaman, alias bought maya, perhaps they will one day consider max and cad on linux
[05:10] <Chinaman> er...
[05:10] <morphix> Alias Wavefront Maya
[05:10] <Chinaman> Autodesk bought Alias...which owned Maya
[05:10] <morphix> :)
[05:11] <DShepherd> Spacious: how well do you know the back of your hand :)?
[05:11] <drcode> any one know what is udev?
[05:11] <Chinaman> holycow: hopefully...but 3ds max still requires D3D to run
[05:12] <drcode> I have strange thing that the route add I put disapper after 10 min
[05:12] <holycow> oh i forgot
[05:12] <drcode> any idea?
[05:12] <holycow> i havent run that since 2.5
[05:12] <drcode> I use breezy
[05:12] <holycow> Chinaman, oh actually it doesn't matter
[05:12] <holycow> so does xsi
[05:12] <Spacious> DShepherd, pretty damn well
[05:12] <Chinaman> o.0
[05:12] <morphix> d3d can me wrapped into linux api's :)
[05:12] <holycow> there is a company that can port all of that and make it work via emulation libraries
[05:12] <holycow> i forget the name, but softimage did it
[05:13] <Chinaman> i tried winex on 3ds max, autocad and inventor...
[05:13] <Chinaman> nothing worked
[05:13] <DShepherd> Spacious: well your on your way then. What do you use your windows machine for?
[05:13] <holycow> believe it or not, they actually porte msie as well for xsi, as it uses that internally for some shit
[05:13] <Ophiocus> <= sees a new wrinkle on the back of his hand and ponders "one new every day"
[05:13] <Spacious> DShepherd, general stuff, but i thought i was generally secure under windows...i followed the NSAs advice
[05:13] <DShepherd> Ophiocus: lol
[05:13] <Spacious> DShepherd, web browsing, email, lol
[05:13] <morphix> microshaft uses linux to compile their windows systems.. how ironic
[05:13] <Corrupter> what is evolution data server?
[05:13] <holycow> Chinaman, thats a wee bit different, this company does app specific ports, but anyways its a moot point.  al i'm saying is that if softimage can so can max, both have shitty windows based architecture
[05:13] <Chinaman> Spacious...if you don't play games or do crazy stuff with 3D, just use Linux
[05:13] <kevogod_> morphix, Where did you hear this?
[05:14] <eMBee> good evening
[05:14] <SoulPropagation> morphix: that's probably a load of crap
[05:14] <Chinaman> lol holycow
[05:14] <navarone> Spacious> I wouls use ubuntu for online activities that do not require windows and use windows for games and such
[05:14] <Ophiocus> Spacious, tried firefox?
[05:14] <SoulPropagation> of course, windows is a descendent of unix
[05:14] <Chinaman> half the people don't need Windows....
[05:14] <Chinaman> they can go use Linux and it won't make a difference
[05:14] <holycow> actually you can do 3d in linux, blender is more powerfull than most hobbyists can handle
[05:14] <DShepherd> Spacious: ok.. well try a dual boot, trust me will learn alot
[05:15] <Chinaman> holycow, not used to how blender starts out with 1 viewport
[05:15] <holycow> if your not a 3d hobbyist paying 150$ for a windows licence is nothing in comparison to 3d licencing
[05:15] <Spacious> Ophiocus, yeah its nice
[05:15] <holycow> Chinaman, you can change that
[05:15] <Chinaman> i know
[05:15] <Spacious> DShepherd, ok
[05:15] <DShepherd> Spacious: *you will learn alot
[05:15] <Chinaman> but the huge toolbars...scare me
[05:15] <navarone> Spacious> if you want to dual boot you can install grub in floppy and leave mbr alone... taht is what i did. So you need to use floppy to get to linux and no-one else may know that another os resides in the recessses of the drive
[05:16] <Chinaman> i'd much rather have the layout 3ds max and Autocad have
[05:16] <holycow> Chinaman, *nod* ui is very different indeed
[05:16] <eMBee> anyone have an idea what could cause that?
[05:16] <holycow> photoshop users simple cannot unlearn ps i have discovered as well
[05:16] <Chinaman> lol
[05:16] <DShepherd> navarone: kool
[05:16] <Ophiocus> navarone, s got a point, not even windows will notice
[05:16] <holycow> *shrug* whatever suits ones needs tho :)
[05:16] <DShepherd> I need to try that
[05:16] <Corrupter> anybody know what evolution data server is? and do i need it?
[05:16] <Chinaman> I use Gimp on Windows
[05:17] <Chinaman> haha
[05:17] <holycow>  Corrupter you need it for evolution
[05:17] <Corrupter> and if i don't use evolution?
[05:17] <holycow> evolution uses it to send/recieve/organize data
[05:17] <Chinaman> even though i do have a bootleg PSCS2 somewhere in the room....
[05:17] <DShepherd> Chinaman: gimp on windows has probs
[05:17] <holycow> Corrupter, *hmmm* i don't think you need it then, but something in the back of my head says something uses it
[05:17] <Chinaman> Dshepherd, I haven't tried making texture maps with it yet
[05:17] <Chinaman> so dn't really know
[05:17] <holycow> i would say do apt-get revmoe -s appname and see what it all tries to uninstall
[05:17] <holycow> -s means simulate
[05:17] <Chinaman> but it did already crash on me once...
[05:18] <holycow> if its nuffin, remove it
[05:18] <Chinaman> probably because of windows instability
[05:18] <Chinaman> lol
[05:18] <Corrupter> well it's taking up 63 MB of system RAM, so i want it dead
[05:18] <slew> hi, is there any way that linux will display a .com file?
[05:18] <Corrupter> if i remove it, will anything crash?
[05:18] <DShepherd> Chinaman: crashes on me alot.. maybe :)
[05:18] <Chinaman> lol
[05:18] <holycow> slew, what is a .com file?
[05:18] <Chinaman> that's what i was gonna ask
[05:18] <Corrupter> a windows command file
[05:18] <Chinaman> o.0
[05:18] <Corrupter> command.com
[05:18] <slew> holycow, its an old school [dos era]  program
[05:18] <holycow> so its what? like a batch file? text file?
[05:19] <Corrupter> none of you ever used DOS???
[05:19] <Chinaman> try opening it with nano?
[05:19] <slew> no, not command.com
[05:19] <Corrupter> i was using an example
[05:19] <slew> ahh
[05:19] <navarone> Corrupter> that memory usage may only be virtual memory
[05:19] <Chinaman> corrupter, i wasn't old enough to know what DOS was XD
[05:19] <holycow> sounds like a text file yeah try nano or gedit
[05:19] <slew> cause i think command.com would die under linux =]
[05:19] <Corrupter> i was born when people were using DOS, but i still KNOW about it
[05:19] <slew> nano is a text editor, right?
[05:19] <holycow> otherwise you will either need an editor that supports it (google is your friend) or a hex editor :)
[05:19] <Chinaman> yep
[05:19] <Chinaman> commandline based
[05:19] <slew> i was using dos when you were in dipers =]
[05:20] <Chinaman> lol
[05:20] <Corrupter> well, virtual memory and RAM are all the same, less space = faster progress
[05:20] <slew> Chinaman, then nano wont work. thanks though. =]  maybe just use wine.
[05:20] <DShepherd> slew:lol
[05:20] <ashwani> aimaz hi
[05:20] <ashwani> pepsil HI
[05:20] <Chinaman> slew, you could try using gedit
[05:20] <ashwani> pepsil : can you help me using CUPS
[05:20] <slew> Chinaman, is gedit a text editor?
[05:20] <germancito> hello
[05:21] <holycow> sledge__, yes, under apps/accessories
[05:21] <DShepherd> slew yes
[05:21] <Chinaman> slew, yes it is
[05:21] <holycow> i mean slew, oh hell
[05:21] <holycow> heh
[05:21] <Chinaman> Applications -> Accesories -> Text Editor
[05:21] <slew> again, a text editor is not what i need. this is an executable file, made around 1996
[05:21] <germancito> please, anyone can tell me were i can fin the file that contains the configuration the applications menu in Gnome??
[05:21] <Chinaman> oh
[05:21] <SoulPropagation> slew: hexedit
[05:21] <slew> =]
[05:22] <Chinaman> i'm off guys
[05:22] <Chinaman> goodnight
[05:22] <holycow> slew, so you want to execute it?
[05:22] <slew> thanks Chinaman have a good holiday
[05:22] <holycow> then you have only a couple of options?
[05:22] <Chinaman> thanksgiving day tomorrow...gotta eat some food
[05:22] <slew> holycow, yeah, kinda
[05:22] <Chinaman> wee
[05:22] <holycow> run windows under vmware
[05:22] <burner> anyone know how to fix it so that the "winkey" can be a modifier?  right now if I try to use it as a keyboard shortcut, it won't let me press another key with it
[05:22] <holycow> you tried wine
[05:22] <slew> about to try wine now
[05:22] <holycow> you can try running windows under winforlin which is like vmware
[05:22] <holycow> slew, there just may be a dos emulator out there
[05:23] <j813> guys where can i change my monitor & video card settigns? here in 5.10 :)
[05:23] <sri> winforlin is not free right?
[05:23] <holycow> i've never bothered looking such a thing up, but google dos emu's perhaps you wiill be lucky
[05:23] <drcode> hi all
[05:23] <holycow> otherwise that exe is not getting executed
[05:23] <sri> j813: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I believe
[05:23] <sri> j813: you need to do it in a shell.
[05:23] <j813> oh
[05:23] <drcode> when I do dpkg -l | I see "rc  taper" wht is rc?
[05:23] <thompa> in gnome the desktop icons are coming from usr/share/ pixmaps
[05:24] <thompa> so if i create a desktop shortcut in kde its blank in gnome
[05:24] <typewriter> what exactly is the multi-verse i see universe in source.list and backports not no multiverse?
[05:24] <slew> naw just too old for wine. i'll just load up windows. thanks =]
[05:24] <lightbright> bye everyne! see you soon :)  God bless
[05:25] <j813> sri: how do I open shell?
[05:25] <thompa> is there a way to keep the kde desktop icons?
[05:25] <thompa> if i change or create one in gnome?
[05:25] <burner> j813, alt+f2, gnome-terminal
[05:26] <j813> :)
[05:26] <bimberi> typewriter: multiverse is for non-free or legally questionable software
[05:28] <germancito> no one knows where that file is??
[05:28] <typewriter> how do i get it in my sources.list?
[05:29] <Walla> hello
[05:30] <bimberi> typewriter: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 has a sample sources.list with it included
[05:30] <holycow> http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1994-21.html  <-- heh, offtopic but i wonder if it is true
[05:30] <Hobbsee> typewriter: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:30] <j813> why cant I authenticate in terminal?
[05:30] <joft> is there any way i can force apt to get everything that it needs for dependencies?
[05:31] <crimsun> joft: that happens by default.
[05:31] <fletch33> what is my best package choice for ripping cd's to mp3
[05:32] <joft> i try apt-get -f install and it still has a list of about 10 things with dependency problems that it can't fix
[05:32] <crimsun> joft: what did you break?
[05:32] <joft> i tried upgrading to breezy and i've been having problems all day
[05:32] <joft> with nvidia, now applications giving me "segmentation fault"
[05:33] <crimsun> joft: so you altered sources.list, updated, and dist-upgraded?
[05:33] <joft> and apt having cyclic dependency problems
[05:33] <j813> Guys why can't I authenticate as root? I didn't see a place to enter a PW when I was installing
[05:33] <fletch33> anyone have a suggestion for the best program to rip cd's to mp3
[05:33] <crimsun> !root
[05:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:33] <joft> crimsun: i accidentally did upgrade before dist-upgrade
[05:33] <crimsun> joft: doesn't matter, dist-upgrade is what you need
[05:33] <joft> and i had backports in my sources.list at the time if that did anything
[05:34] <crimsun> joft: backports should be disabled before updating
[05:34] <joft> i've tried both, right now even -f upgrade and -f dist-upgrade won't fix it
[05:34] <crimsun> joft: _and_ you should remove _all_ backports
[05:34] <joft> they're gone now
[05:34] <crimsun> so what is the dist-upgraded hitching on?
[05:34] <crimsun> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> Today, Google Video is a motley mix: clips of monkeys performing karate and robot dogs attacking iguanas. Tomorrow? No one knows, but everyone is worried.
[05:36] <joft> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4965
[05:36] <God> Anyone know how to install OpenGL Quick?
[05:36] <dirkson> Hey all. I'm getting this error (libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) on quite a few SDL apps... I get an analogous error with OpenAL too... Anyone have any clues on what I should be checking out?
[05:37] <joft> crimsun: that was with -f
[05:37] <ashwani> ashwani hi
[05:38] <ashwani> highvoltage hi
[05:38] <gar-> how i can install kdebase on ubuntu 5.04?????
[05:38] <ashwani> highvoltage can you help me using CUPS
[05:38] <crimsun> joft: do you have the breezy-security and breezy-updates repos enabled, too?
[05:39] <ashwani> crimsun can you help me using CUPS
[05:39] <Mabus06> !cups
[05:39] <ubotu> Mabus06: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:39] <joft> yes
[05:40] <gar-> !kdebase
[05:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, gar-
[05:40] <gar-> lol
[05:40] <bimberi> dirkson: do a contents search on http://packages.ubuntu.com for that file and install the relevant package
[05:40] <gar-> how i can install kdebase on ubuntu 5.04?????
[05:40] <joft> except I just realized all the source package lines are commented out
[05:40] <joft> should I uncomment them?
[05:40] <crimsun> ashwani: no, I can't. Sorry.
[05:40] <dirkson> Bimberi: That's the crazy thing. It IS installed, and works fine for about half of SDL games
[05:40] <freakazoid333> gar run synaptic
[05:41] <crimsun> joft: you don't really need the deb-src lines
[05:41] <gar-> i run it
[05:41] <gar-> but dont find it
[05:41] <gar-> kdebase?
[05:41] <crimsun> joft: paste your uname -r and your sources.list onto paste
[05:41] <gar-> should i put the cd
[05:41] <typewriter> where is azureus?
[05:41] <gar-> or something like that when i run sinaptic???
[05:41] <Madpilot> !info kdebase
[05:42] <ubotu> kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[05:42] <bimberi> dirkson: hm, k
[05:42] <freakazoid333> might be in nthe universe section
[05:42] <bimberi> dirkson: not sure then sorry
[05:42] <freakazoid333> i forget
[05:42] <drbyte> do any of you actually dual boot FreeBSD and Ubuntu?
[05:42] <joft> 2.6.12-10-686  http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4966
[05:42] <typewriter> i have universe and multiverse in my sources.list now and sudo apt-cache search azureus shows nothing
[05:42] <dirkson> bimberi: np. It's confusing me to pieces. I wish the game would just recognize the silly library.
[05:43] <gar-> Madpilot so it should be on the synaptic?
[05:43] <bimberi> dirkson: yeah, all i can offer is sympathy.  I wonder if there is some sort of library path environment variable that it needs?
[05:43] <Madpilot> gar-: looks like it, yes. Search Synaptic for it
[05:43] <bimberi> gar-: you probably don't have any network repositories enabled
[05:43] <ajmitch_> yay, I finally got breezy cds in the mail :)
[05:44] <bimberi> ajmitch_: where's mine then! :)
[05:44] <Madeye> guys, my gaim, OO, abi word lost spell check....
[05:44] <crimsun> joft: aptitude remove libcamel1.2-6
[05:44] <gar-> Madpilot: let me see i bin all day thy to put to run my wireless card with not success
[05:44] <ajmitch_> bimberi: somewhere in the world
[05:44] <crimsun> joft: (and yes, it will remove a TON of stuff)
[05:44] <bimberi> ajmitch_: :)
[05:44] <joft> ok
[05:44] <dirkson> bimberi: Could be. I don't know enough commands to check what it has set as the library path
[05:44] <joft> done
[05:45] <typewriter> Package azureus is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:45] <typewriter> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:45] <typewriter> is only available from another source
[05:46] <crimsun> joft: now continue the dist-upgrade
[05:46] <joft> errors while processing: postfix; lsb-core; lsb-graphics; lsb-cxx; lsb
[05:47] <bimberi> ubotu tell typewriter about azureus
[05:47] <joft> want the whole output pastebinned again?
[05:47] <Madpilot> typewriter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[05:47] <crimsun> joft: do you still have the old 2.6.12-9 kernel lying about?
[05:47] <crimsun> joft: if so, reboot into it and try dist-upgrading again
[05:47] <joft> i should
[05:48] <joft> k
[05:48] <crimsun> it shouldn't change anything, so only try it as a last resort
[05:48] <crimsun> (I'm curious about the dpkg error)
[05:48] <joft> here's my latest output http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4967
[05:48] <sh10151> Hi, I notice that Ubuntu hangs when my iBook resumes after sleeping
[05:49] <joft> my most recent kernel behind that is 2.6.10-6
[05:49] <crimsun> joft: install postfix manually using dpkg
[05:50] <joft> hm, in this kernel x server won't work
[05:50] <harris> hi, can anyone tell me how I unmount my hardrive so that I can make another partition on my hardrive?
[05:50] <joft> no problem though
[05:51] <vid21> I just have a quicky question.  If copy my Ubuntu install CD to a spare HD that I have...  Will it work (will it install a system)?
[05:51] <crimsun> joft: that's because you're missing a l-r-m that matches the new security kernel
[05:51] <skalpel> can anyone tell me why gnomebaker might freeze up during audio cd burning?
[05:51] <ajmitch_> vid21: no, copying the cd is not going to work
[05:52] <ajmitch_> vid21: you'd still need to run the install from the cd
[05:52] <joft> crimsun: how do i install postfix with dpkg?
[05:52] <DaBass> is there a way to deselect not yet installed packages in dselect? i have selected a package and all its dependencies and i have changed my mind before i tried to install.
[05:53] <vid21> is there any way to boot an iso from any bootloaders?
[05:54] <crimsun> joft: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix_2.2.4-1ubuntu2*.deb
[05:54] <wickedpuppy> ah ... java is killing me .. its so much of a resource hog
[05:54] <vid21> I'm just trying to get around a computer that won't read any of the disks that I give it properly.
[05:54] <vid21> Tried multiple CD-drives but it always fails on the base install
[05:54] <vid21> tried known working CDs and it fails as well.
[05:54] <joft> no such file or directory
[05:55] <crimsun> joft: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix*2.2.4-1ubuntu2*.deb
[05:55] <style2023> what's everyones opinion here about a Dual Xeon system vs. A pentium D system.... which is better for use with Adobe Photoshop?
[05:55] <wickedpuppy> style2023, eh ah .... asking about photoshop in ubuntu ?
[05:56] <style2023> wickedpuppy, why not!?
[05:56] <joft> it's not there
[05:56] <joft> i looked in the directory and no postfix is there
[05:56] <style2023> okay fine.... LETS HAVE DE WARS!!!
[05:56] <style2023> I THINK GNOME SUCKS!!!
[05:56] <crimsun> joft: aptitude reinstall postfix
[05:56] <Madpilot> I think trolls suck
[05:57] <harris> can anoyone tell me how to make another partition using a program found in ubuntu, i have gparted and Qtparted but both those do not give you the option to create one when the drive is mounted
[05:57] <durt> !start a wm war
[05:57] <ubotu> durt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:57] <gpled> want to try my hand at making an x window application.  what package do i need to get started?
[05:57] <harris> and i can't figure out how to unmount it using kdisk
[05:57] <joft> ok, all this trouble was because postfix was running and apt wouldn't stop it before trying to reinstall it
[05:57] <joft> i stopped it and reinstalled
[05:58] <crimsun> joft: now finish the dist-upgrade, then reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:58] <joft> the dist-upgrade had nothing left to do after that
[05:59] <joft> and ubuntu-desktop wasn't installed, so it's installing now
[05:59] <crimsun> so reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <Weng> What's the command to execute a perl script?
[05:59] <durt> harris: i think you have to use a livecd or something
[05:59] <jack-> anyone experienced with ubuntu-breezy on virtual pc?
[05:59] <wickedpuppy> Weng, perl script.pl or chmod +x script.pl then ./script.pl
[05:59] <harris> durt, what distro would I use the livecd from?
[05:59] <harris> ubuntu?
[06:00] <dirkson> Style: Based on what I know (Used to work for Adobe as a sales agent) I'd guess a Pentium D would work -slightly- better, given all things equal. I haven't worked with the Pentium Ds yet, though, so I couldn't tell you for sure. (Also, you're slightly off topic, aren't ya'? :) )
[06:00] <Ueuecoyotl> This is weird. When I choose all the components in repository and click "Ok" and then "Add" again, only "officially supported" and "restricted copyright" have been chosen, not universe or multiverse. Could that be why I'm not finding Azureus?
[06:00] <Madpilot> harris: the Ubuntu LiveCD should work for that, if you've got one
[06:00] <Weng> That reminds me, I need to implement livenet booting on this system, too.
[06:00] <harris> it would make logical senese since when I try to unmount it says the device is busy
[06:00] <durt> harris: any should work, ubuntu might be easiest
[06:01] <harris> ok, cool... do you know any other bootable partition programs ?
[06:01] <harris> ones that I could just boot off the cd
[06:01] <cafuego> syslinux
[06:01] <harris> it might be faster then downloading a livedisc
[06:01] <Agamotto> RIP
[06:01] <joft> crimsun: was it a bad idea to install ubuntu-desktop when on an old kernel? like, is it going to get any packages specific to that kernel
[06:01] <cafuego> Oh, partitioning? Any live or install cd.
[06:01] <God> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/d4968
[06:02] <durt> question about partitioning: can i take a partition and split it into several without losing the data on the original?
[06:02] <harris> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/d4968 what is this?
[06:02] <God> OH. An error I get when I run /mkmkfiles.imake in the OpenGL build thing.
[06:02] <cafuego> harris: DOS boot floppy with fidk.exe
[06:02] <cafuego> fdisk even
[06:02] <pgw> how do I download source packages in synaptic?
[06:02] <harris> the thing is I don't have a floppy drive lol
[06:03] <cafuego> God: Why are you building opengl?
[06:03] <God> I downloaded glut-3.5 and ran mkmkfiles.imake in there and it gave me that eror.
[06:03] <harris> can I make a bootable cd with fdisk/
[06:03] <God> Because I know OpenGL and I don't want to forget it.
[06:03] <Agamotto> durt:  It is possible, but you really need to back up your data first.  This is playing with fire
[06:03] <crimsun> joft: no, it's separate from the kernel
[06:03] <God> And I've forgotten most of everything already. I need to get back up to date.
[06:03] <cafuego> God: It's porepackaged, why don't you just use the packages?
[06:03] <Agamotto> pgw:  You select them from the list, and then click apply
[06:03] <cafuego> prepackaged
[06:03] <God> Where?
[06:03] <cafuego> !find GL.h
[06:03] <joft> ok, that finished and i rebooted to my new kernel (and now nvidia isn't working again lol)
[06:04] <wickedpuppy> i am tempted to know god knows where .. but i think not
[06:04] <wickedpuppy> to say i mean
[06:04] <pgw> Agamotto: but for most of the packages I'm not even shown the corresponding source package...
[06:04] <God> I don't HAVE GL.h that's why I'm installing it.
[06:04] <Agamotto> pgw:  You don't need source.  The list is for the .deb files that are the equivalent to RPMs/
[06:04] <God> ld -lglut finds nothing
[06:05] <cafuego> God: usr/include/GL/gl.h is in libdevel/libgl1-mesa-dev
[06:05] <highvoltage> ashwani: sorry, bit busy atm
[06:05] <God> Where is libdevel?
[06:05] <God> in usr?
[06:05] <pgw> Agamotto: sure, but sometimes I _do_ need the source; for example, I'm having problems with the way a package was built, so I want to look at the source to see if I can figure out the problem
[06:05] <cafuego> God: Use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to search; you should _not_ need to build any of that sort of libs for tarballs.
[06:05] <cafuego> God: 'sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev'
[06:06] <God> Alright
[06:06] <Agamotto> pgw:  Ahhh, check to see if the sources repositories are checked, then update the list.  They should show up after that
[06:06] <cafuego> God: If you need to compile, you normally need a -dev package.
[06:06] <cafuego> God: ... as well as the lib.... package.
[06:06] <sri> you know God, you probably should know this already
[06:06] <Agamotto> God has dementia....
[06:07] <God> sri:  Oh shut up.
[06:07] <wickedpuppy> cafuego, more karma to you ..
[06:07] <crimsun> joft: did you install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ?
[06:07] <Agamotto> Like the Irish, he invented civilization, had a few Guinness and forgot where he put it.
[06:07] <cafuego> wickedpuppy: Yeah, and i _NEED_ it :-(
[06:07] <wickedpuppy> lol
[06:07] <sri> hey man, you come on with a nick like that, you need to prepare yourself :-)
[06:07] <cafuego> No, seriously.
[06:08] <joft> now i'm getting this error when i try to start x windows:   "Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbnnx.o: no symbols found"
[06:08] <cafuego> God: type '/me smites thee' ;-)
[06:08] <crimsun> joft: you can ignore it.
[06:08] <pgw> Agamotto: the source repositories are configured just like their binary equivalents, but the source packages don't show up...
[06:08] <God> =D
[06:08] <Agamotto> pgw:  Hmmm, that is interesting.  Try searching for the sources on freshmeat, just to make sure
[06:09] <God> The occupation of God would be really boring, wouldn't it?
[06:09] <God> I mean..If you know everything already...what's the point?
[06:09] <Ueuecoyotl> Could anyone recommend a bittorrent client?
[06:09] <joft> wtf, pastebin stopped working for me
[06:09] <God> BitTorrent Downloader, UdontKnow.
[06:09] <God> Err.   There, there, is that better?
[06:10] <God> ?
[06:10] <cafuego> God: WHy do people play SimCity? To poke the anthill and see what happens ;-)
[06:10] <God> No.
[06:10] <Agamotto> !revolver
[06:10] <ubotu> Not a clue, Agamotto
[06:10] <Ueuecoyotl> cafuego, Err, that one seems kinda crappy though(?)
[06:10] <God> !kick
[06:10] <ubotu> God: Are you smoking crack?
[06:10] <God> Yeah.
[06:10] <bimberi> lol
[06:11] <God> Come on. Crack is the Best.
[06:11] <God> !love
[06:11] <ubotu> God: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:11] <harris> thanks for the help guys
[06:11] <harris> peace
[06:11] <ajmitch_> God: please stop it
[06:11] <God> !kill
[06:11] <ubotu> Wish i knew, God
[06:11] <twidget> Anybody help debug some PHP?
[06:11] <cafuego> #php knows
[06:11] <wickedpuppy> twidget, #php
[06:11] <wickedpuppy> wait .. so do god
[06:12] <twidget> wickedpuppy, thanks, but they seldom help
[06:12] <God> twidget:  type 'php filenamehere' in your command line
[06:12] <wickedpuppy> ...
[06:12] <God> twidget:  It should find all the errors...
[06:12] <crimsun> joft: sudo nvidia-glx-config disable
[06:12] <crimsun> joft: then restart gdm
[06:12] <God> twidget:  If you have php installed...I gues.
[06:12] <twidget> God, http://www.phpfi.com/88440 -- If I $url = 'http://anydomain.com/some/valid/rss/'; this code works fine, but once I use the file command to read the urls into an array, the whole thing breaks down. What am I doing
[06:13] <twidget> ...wrong? :)
[06:13] <ajmitch_> twidget: that's great, but it's still OT here :)
[06:13] <twidget> sorry :(
[06:13] <God> phpfi.com could not be found, twidget
[06:13] <joft> crimsun: when i try that, the script says it can't continue because xorg.conf has already been changed
[06:14] <twidget> God, it's there, I swear
[06:14] <God> twidget:  If you're just testing them out try echoing the values of the array instead of bugging with them.
[06:14] <cafuego> twidget: Is the text file readable?
[06:15] <twidget> I have, and yes
[06:15] <crimsun> joft: well, try nv instead of nvidia in the meantime
[06:15] <cafuego> twidget: What does echo $url; on line 6 say?
[06:15] <twidget> cafuego, each line of the file, which is the URI to a news feed
[06:15] <joft> a lot of my error messages are about missing fonts
[06:16] <twidget> I'm sorry to get everything off-topic. I'll drop this if ya'll want.
[06:16] <cafuego> twidget: *nod*
[06:16] <cafuego> twidget: Do you have 'register_globals' enabled?
[06:16] <God> twidget: I've been studying PHP but I can't access your file for some reason.
[06:16] <rohan> hi all
[06:17] <Agamotto> greetings
[06:17] <rohan> what a fight in the ubuntu forums about automatix!!!
[06:17] <rohan> Agamotto: :)
[06:17] <Agamotto> What, praytell, is automatix?
[06:17] <twidget> cafuego, I'll find out for sure. God, http://feeds.louisianablogs.org/config.txt
[06:17] <Madpilot> rohan: except that most of it got erased by some moderator...
[06:17] <rohan> Madpilot: yes..
[06:17] <rohan> Madpilot: all posts by apokryphos :)
[06:18] <Goatocausto> this is a bit of a dumb question, but can anyone help me with how to UNINSTALL/REMOVE Ubuntu from my pc ???
[06:18] <rohan> Madpilot: good thing too, we dont want people who are wanting to try ubuntu read it.
[06:18] <Agamotto> Goatoausto:  Sure, can you be a bit more specific, as far as partitions, number of drives, etc... involved
[06:18] <rohan> Goatocausto: use fdisk from some other distribution, or use a live cd, to delete the ubuntu partition.
[06:18] <twidget> cafuego, yes, they're on
[06:19] <twidget> http://feeds.louisianablogs.org/phpinfo.php
[06:19] <Goatocausto> rohan - the problem is i have xp running at the moment [using now]  and i need to keep it
[06:19] <Agamotto> Again, I ask - what is automatix?
[06:19] <Goatocausto> if i fdisk it, wont it totally fuck up my boot thing ???
[06:19] <God> twidget:  Are you sure you aren't getting a space before or after the link?
[06:19] <Goatocausto> can i use partition magic or something??
[06:19] <Agamotto> Guatocausto:  Partition Magic would be a very safe way of doing this, yes
[06:20] <twidget> God, hmmm, no, I guess I'm not sure. How could I be sure?
[06:20] <phiqtion> nalioth, you busy bro?
[06:20] <Goatocausto> ok so - how should i go about it ? (sorry, i havent done this before)
[06:20] <nalioth> phiqtion: not at al
[06:20] <rohan> Goatocausto: ok, use partition magic from xp.
[06:20] <God> twidget: echo a character before and after the URL like a '#' or something, and doing put spaces inbetween them. Like... echo "#$url#";
[06:20] <twidget> They're not that way in the file
[06:20] <Goatocausto> i mean, should i just delete the partition and the resize my existing partitions ??
[06:20] <phiqtion> nalioth, i need to know how can i fix a partition table error #110.
[06:21] <nalioth> phiqtion: i have no clue what that is
[06:21] <Agamotto> Boot from Windows, fire up PM, and choose the partitions that linux was living on.  Format these, and do whatever you want with them
[06:21] <rohan> nalioth: would you say that it is "safe" to use the version of automatix made by robotgeek ?
[06:21] <Kalidarn> does anyone know how to make a Microsoft Wireless Comfort set work under Linux? its a Wireless mouse and keyboard and the wireless reciever interfaces with the computer via USB
[06:21] <rohan> Goatocausto: yes.
[06:21] <Kalidarn> i would have thought it would have justed worked
[06:21] <phiqtion> nalioth, any programa that runs off a cd or floppy that would fix any HD errors?
[06:21] <rohan> Goatocausto: how many distributions do you have installed ?
[06:21] <Goatocausto> ok i dont suppose theres a "guide" or "faq" to it anywhere ??
[06:21] <twidget> God, aha! You were right, a trailing space
[06:22] <Agamotto> phiqtion:  fsck -a, if memory serves, on the partition while it is unmounted
[06:22] <God> twidget:  I'm so amazing.
[06:22] <c0rrupt> how can i install kernel source?
[06:22] <Goatocausto> i have one hdd, originally partitioned into c:\ [xp]  and another drive [my stuff]
[06:22] <nalioth> rohan: i would say to wait a day or two, we are polishing up a more improved one
[06:22] <twidget> yes, you are
[06:22] <Goatocausto> now linux has um
[06:22] <twidget> I'll shut up about it now
[06:22] <rohan> nalioth: that has a new name ;)
[06:22] <nalioth> phiqtion: HD errors or partition errers?
[06:22] <joft> this is ridiculous
[06:22] <God> twidget:  If it doesn't work then I don't know. run php on it.
[06:22] <nalioth> rohan: yes, the one with the new name
[06:22] <rohan> nalioth: the new name is ?
[06:22] <joft> upgrading to breezy has completely destroyed my computer
[06:22] <whyameye> phiqtion: if it is HD errors, couldn't you use fsck?
[06:22] <TobyK> hi!
[06:22] <joft> i've spent all day trying to fix it
[06:23] <joft> and gotten nowhere
[06:23] <twidget> ...except that so say that you've already done much more than ##php has ever done for me :)
[06:23] <c0rrupt> what do i have to apt-get to install the latest kernel source??
[06:23] <Goatocausto> c:\, h: [my drive, with a small linux swap file/space in it, and another drive that has 60 gig as a "linux ext 2"
[06:23] <bimberi> c0rrupt: install linux-source-2.6.12 (for breezy) but do you really need it? what's it for?
[06:23] <God> twidget:  You should look for those things when dealing with strings.
[06:23] <c0rrupt> having trouble compiling something
[06:23] <c0rrupt> it keeps looking into
[06:23] <gar-> =/
[06:23] <gar-> no luck
[06:23] <Agamotto> joft:  Unfortunately, from what I hear, you aren't alone
[06:23] <c0rrupt> /usr/something/linux version/modules
[06:23] <God> twidget:  Remember strings are just big character arrays and they start on 0. So you have to do string.size()-1.
[06:23] <rohan> Goatocausto: just delete the ubuntu / and swap partition. or better still, remove all linux partitions, boot from xp cd, go into recovery console, type "fixboot" and "fixmbr" ... you are done.. reboot, resize your partitions.
[06:24] <c0rrupt> and .conf
[06:24] <bimberi> c0rrupt: then try installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) first
[06:24] <c0rrupt> in there i think
[06:24] <TobyK> can someone help me? I've installed Ubuntu breezy onto a brand new server (Dual P4 with 2gig RAM), but the 2.6.10 kernel won't boot up - it says "ALERT! /dev/hda1 doesn't exist. Dropping to a shell"
[06:24] <phiqtion> nalioth, partition errors, this is what happened. i got a new old laptop with only 355mhz. the thing had windows98 on fat32. i tried wiping it off with ubuntu. when i insert the windows98 cd again it says it cannot install because of an error. so when i put the partition magic program that runs off a flopy it gives me error 110. any ideas?
[06:24] <c0rrupt> i think i already install headers
[06:24] <Goatocausto> ok ill try that
[06:24] <c0rrupt> but ill check
[06:24] <Goatocausto> hopefully cant fuck it up too much hey?
[06:24] <nalioth> phiqtion: what are you trying to do with it
[06:24] <gar-> i dont have not luck try to run my USB WIRELESS adapter DWL-G122 version b1 on ubuntu 5.04
[06:24] <nalioth> Goatocausto: please be civil in here
[06:24] <Goatocausto> so from partition magic just "delete" them
[06:24] <Goatocausto> sorry, i did not mean it in a vulgar or offensive manner
[06:25] <rohan> Goatocausto: any reason for removing linux ?
[06:25] <phiqtion> nalioth, im trying to install windows98 first and then ubuntu
[06:25] <nalioth> phiqtion: so the laptop is empty right now?
[06:25] <Goatocausto> yeah dont entirely need it at the moment though its nice, i need more hard drive space at the moment and im not too "certain" on it, kinda afraid haha
[06:26] <phiqtion> nalioth, yes. but when i try to install windows98 it says it cant because the hard drive contains an error.
[06:26] <gar-> any help here try to put to run the dwl-g122 ver b1 on ubuntu 5.04 i dont have another card and i cant connect to the net
[06:26] <nalioth> phiqtion: do you have a liveCD?
[06:26] <nalioth> phiqtion: join me in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[06:26] <StarKruzr> a winner is my kitchen.
[06:26] <phiqtion> nalioth, no. i have the install cd. breezy
[06:26] <rohan> Goatocausto: nothing will happen. remove the partitions, and do as i told you, using the xp cd and all
[06:27] <joft> crimsun: i don't know if you're still there but now i've finished the dist-upgrade and i'm back in x windows (just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) but i still get "segmentation fault" when i try to run certain applications (and my sound still doesn't work)
[06:27] <Goatocausto> ok cool
[06:27] <crimsun> joft: no sound at all?
[06:27] <Goatocausto> sorry to bug but : 1)delete the partitions then reboot, fix stuff from xp cd, then resize once back in xp ??
[06:27] <gar-> i guess not
[06:27] <joft> no sound at all
[06:28] <joft> not to mention i'd like to get drivers for my actual card working :/
[06:28] <eatnumber1> anyone here from support willing to help me with an install issue?
[06:29] <gar-> anyone with advices of what can i do with the DWL-G122 should i set it on fire????
[06:29] <wickedpuppy> eatnumber1, just ask ...
[06:29] <crimsun> joft: what sound card?
[06:29] <joft> no clue, it's a dell inspirion 5150
[06:30] <TobyK> can someone help me? I've installed Ubuntu breezy onto a brand new server (Dual P4 with 2gig RAM), but the 2.6.10 kernel won't boot up - it says "ALERT! /dev/hda1 doesn't exist. Dropping to a shell"
[06:30] <eatnumber1> i installed ubuntu x86_64 and after reboot, when it says installing packages... at 94% it shows a screen full of illegible text (hex, i think) and freezes
[06:30] <TobyK> however I can boot into 2.6.8 kernel
[06:30] <God> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4970 When I try to make libopengl-dylan
[06:31] <eatnumber1> I then restarted, and it booted, but said that not all the packages were installed correctly
[06:31] <eatnumber1> so... how do I reinstall the packages
[06:31] <Goatocausto> hey guys sorry to come back so quick
[06:31] <Goatocausto> what was the other command to run from the xp cd?
[06:31] <gar-> hum
[06:32] <Goatocausto> i remember "fixmbr" but there was another one
[06:32] <gar-> anyone would like to help me before i erase the ubuntu =/
[06:32] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  As a curiosity, what kind of graphics card in the system?
[06:33] <eatnumber1> agamotto: nvidia geforce 7800gtx
[06:33] <TobyK> anyone know how I can get the 686 version of the 2.6.8 kernel?? please? I can't find it in the repository
[06:33] <Goatocausto> Anyone, help please !!
[06:33] <joft> is there some application to detect all my hardware or something
[06:33] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Pardon my ignorance, but this is a rather recent card?
[06:34] <wickers> should be under restricted TobyK
[06:34] <Agamotto> TobyK:  The 586 and 686 are pretty much identical
[06:34] <eatnumber1> agamotto: the newest
[06:34] <Goatocausto> what was the other command to run from the xp cd? after deleting the partitions i made for ubuntu, i remember "fixmbr" but there was another one
[06:34] <TobyK> i don't see a 586 either - just a 386. this kernel is only using half my hardware - only one cpu and 1 gig ram!
[06:34] <wickers> Agamotto, actually I'd beg to differ... but for general use, nearly no difference would be noticed.
[06:35] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Check the Ubuntu wiki for issues regarding your video card.  90% usually is where X and other graphics bits get setup
[06:35] <TobyK> Goatocausto: maybe fdisk /mbr ?
[06:35] <gar-> anyone here have a working DWL-G122 from dlink working fine on ubuntu????? please let me know
[06:35] <Agamotto> TobyK:  Refresh me please, do you have a dual-core system?
[06:35] <eatnumber1> agamotto: but im having no problem using the system right now
[06:35] <Goatocausto> but wont fdisk totally remove my xp stuff ???
[06:35] <TobyK> agamotto: yes, and I can't get any of the newer kernels to boot
[06:35] <TobyK> to refresh: can someone help me? I've installed Ubuntu breezy onto a brand new server (Dual P4 with 2gig RAM), but the 2.6.10 kernel won't boot up - it says "ALERT! /dev/hda1 doesn't exist. Dropping to a shell"
[06:35] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Hmmmm, very odd.
[06:36] <Agamotto> TobyK:  Athlon 64x2?
[06:36] <joft> I think my problem with xchat has to do with scim, I tried "strace xchat" and it says a lot of  " /tmp/scim-socket-frontend-joft  no file/directory" stuff
[06:36] <Agamotto> Ahhh, P4.... you need the smp kernel then, if memory serves
[06:36] <eatnumber1> agamotto: no entries in the ubuntu wiki for 7800 or 7800gtx
[06:36] <TobyK> even 2.6.10-10-386 doesn't boot up
[06:36] <eatnumber1> agamotto: or for nvidia
[06:36] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Hrm... so much for that idea.  I suppose it is possible that media has been corrupted?
[06:37] <TobyK> the only one that does, is 2.6.8-XX-386
[06:37] <eatnumber1> nop
[06:37] <Agamotto> TobyK:  If it says SMP, that should work
[06:37] <eatnumber1> agamotto: md5 hash was fine
[06:37] <Zedugh> Goatocausto, double check (maybe fdisk /h) or windows help, but fdisk /mbr should just write the windows master boot record
[06:37] <TobyK> yea I tried booting 2.6.10-10-686-smp but that didn't work either - same /dev/hda1 doesn't exist error, which is dumb 'cos it just boooted off that drive
[06:37] <eatnumber1> agamotto: only thing I couldent check was the CD itself
[06:37] <eatnumber1> agamotto: when it first burned, it checked it automatically
[06:38] <Agamotto> TobyK:  Out of curiousity, have you tried a Knoppix live cd in the system?  If two penguins show up, that is a good sign
[06:38] <eatnumber1> agamotto: but I dont kno how to check it now
[06:38] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Ok, I always like to rule out the stupid
[06:38] <gar-> anyone here have a working DWL-G122 from dlink working fine on ubuntu????? please let me know
[06:38] <TobyK> infact, Breezy wouldn't even install off the CD - it hung after installing it and trying to boot (something about hw_random), so I had to install 4.10 and upgrade to breezy
[06:38] <eatnumber1> agamotto: yea, thats a good habit
[06:39] <TobyK> agamotto: i haven't tried it, I do have a knoppix livecd so I can give it a go, but that isn't helping the /dev/hda1 doesn't exist problem
[06:39] <Weng> Shouldn't "./ppmtolss16 < missile2.ppm > splash.lss" feed missile2.ppm as stdin and use splash.lss as stdout?
[06:39] <eatnumber1> agamotto: I just ran synaptic telling it to reinstall all my installed packages, and it gave me an error that said "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle."
[06:40] <Agamotto> TobyK:  look in etc/fstab if you can get into it, and see what shows up there for /dev/hda1
[06:40] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Interesting, I have never seen that one.
[06:40] <wanglei_>
[06:41] <wanglei_> is anybody here?
[06:41] <TobyK>  /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:41] <Agamotto> ni hao
[06:41] <wanglei_> ni hao
[06:41] <Agamotto> TobyK:  Now that is very odd.  You have an entry in fstab, but the system can't find it....
[06:42] <eatnumber1> agamotto:
[06:42] <eatnumber1> agamotto: ah, i found the answer
[06:42] <gar-> anyone here have a working DWL-G122 from dlink working fine on ubuntu????? please let me know
[06:42] <TobyK> aga: yup, i'm stumped. like i said, older kernel boots, newer one doesn't
[06:42] <hav0k> hey, can someone help me with setting up flash... im doing what it says in the wiki, but i got to this part where it's talking about "make" and i do it, and nothing happens
[06:42] <eatnumber1> agamotto: take a look... http://nslug.ns.ca/pipermail/nslug/2005-November/008759.html
[06:43] <God> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4970 When I try to make libopengl-dylan
[06:43] <eatnumber1> agamotto: u kno how to make that shell script?
[06:43] <wanglei_> is there anybody working in ubuntu-zh chinese support group?
[06:43] <hav0k> anyone?
[06:43] <Agamotto> gar-:  You have ready the guide to ndiswrapper and followed the instructions?
[06:44] <TobyK> these don't work: kernel 2.6.12-10-686-smp, kernel 2.6.12-10-386, kernel 2.6.12-10-386. But this one does, although it's only using half the machine: kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-6-386
[06:45] <gar-> Agamotto: i did all that  trust me i try everything also my usb adapter is RT2500 and try some software but need some pack so i can install that tha is the las thing i did not try because i dont find the kdbase and the qt3 so i can continue
[06:45] <TobyK> so i figure, if I can get kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-6-686-smp then it will all be fine for now - anyone know how I can get this? it's not in synaptic
[06:45] <TobyK> i've got breezy main and restricted in my sources.list
[06:46] <gar-> Agamotto: also im running ubuntu 5.04 and i need kdebase and qt3 so i can continue the installation of the ralink
[06:46] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Actually, that line run in a terminal under sudo should do the trick, if I am reading this properly.  No script needed
[06:46] <hav0k> hey, can someone help me with setting up flash... im doing what it says in the wiki, but i got to this part where it's talking about "make" and i do it, and nothing happens
[06:46] <joft> i found the reason for my segmentation faults was scim, removed scim and now those applications work
[06:47] <joft> but my sound still doesn't work and i'd like for the drivers for my actual card to work too
[06:47] <crimsun> joft: sorry, have been away. What sound card?
[06:47] <Agamotto> gar-:  Ok, again, I work from the stupid and work my way up
[06:47] <eatnumber1> agamotto: gimme a sec, ill try it
[06:47] <joft> don't know, it's a dell inspirion 5150
[06:47] <crimsun> joft: how new is the laptop?
[06:47] <gar-> Agamotto: what u mean????
[06:47] <crimsun> joft: lspci -v|grep -i audio
[06:48] <joft> 2 years?
[06:48] <eatnumber1> agamotto: i got E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:48] <eatnumber1> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:48] <joft> Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. AC'97
[06:48] <Agamotto> gar-:  search in Synaptic for kubuntu, and install, that should take care of your K dependencies
[06:48] <eatnumber1> oh
[06:48] <crimsun> joft: ok, paste lspci -vv output onto paste
[06:48] <God> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4970 When I try to make libopengl-dylan
[06:48] <Madpilot> eatnumber1: if you try to use apt-get w/ Synaptic open, you'll get that
[06:49] <eatnumber1> agamotto: duh, i had synaptic open
[06:49] <Agamotto> hav0k:  Have you done the 'make install' step yet?
[06:49] <joft> it's on pastebin
[06:49] <joft> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4971
[06:49] <gar-> Agamotto: i try to look on Synaptic for kdebase not result also qt3 neather result
[06:49] <eatnumber1> it diddent do anything
[06:49] <Home_Dawg> Hi, how can I set up Samba so that I can print from my linux box to my windows printer on the same network ?
[06:49] <gar-> Agamotto: do you think im doing something wrong
[06:49] <eatnumber1>  it said "Reading package lists... Done
[06:49] <eatnumber1> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:49] <eatnumber1> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:50] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  Ok, that means that you have/had something running that has tied up the package daemon
[06:50] <gar-> kubuntu
[06:50] <gar-> rofl
[06:50] <gar-> brb
[06:50] <gar-> now i see
[06:50] <gar-> ................................
[06:50] <eatnumber1> agamotto: nothing that I can see
[06:50] <Agamotto> Write the command down, log out, log in, and try it again
[06:50] <eatnumber1> agamotto: maybe u wanna vnc into my system and try doing it ureself?
[06:51] <thompa> !flash
[06:51] <ubotu> hmm... flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:51] <Agamotto> gar-:  The easiest way to fetch the KDE stuff you need is to install Kubuntu
[06:51] <God> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4970 When I try to make libopengl-dylan
[06:51] <skon> Anyone know how can I set up Samba so that I can print from my linux box to my windows printer on the same network ?
[06:52] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  I wish I was that good
[06:52] <eatnumber1> agamotto: oh... lol
[06:52] <Quequeg> skon, printing from gnome or kde?  look into cups...
[06:52] <God> Anyone kn ow how to get melange?
[06:52] <skon> actually, from command line
[06:52] <Agamotto> skon:  tell cups to send all prints to 'smb://printer'?
[06:53] <eatnumber1> so... any ideas on what to do?
[06:53] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  No, I am befuddled at this point.  Give me a few for a cogitate
[06:53] <eatnumber1> agamotto: k
[06:54] <pztak> i've been trying to recompile the kernel, and i checked to include ext3 (fs of / partition), but i always get an error when i try to boot with the new kernel about the .dep file (for modules) not being found and ext3 module failing to load (even though it's compiled into the kernel).. anyone know why? also, any reason why ubuntu has ext3 as a module (even for primary / fs?)
[06:54] <gerberad> anyone around that can help with using the windows key as a modifier?  right now it's acting like a normal key
[06:54] <Agamotto> gerberad:  What have you chosen for your keyboard layout?
[06:55] <gerberad> Agamotto,  generic 104-key
[06:55] <gerberad> i have a dell laptop
[06:55] <gerberad> it doesn't work on my compaq laptop either
[06:55] <gerberad> desktops work fine though
[06:56] <thompa> !realplayer
[06:56] <ubotu> realplayer is probably http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:56] <gerberad> Agamotto, any idea?
[06:56] <gerberad> Agamotto, i think it has to do with xmodmap somehow?
[06:56] <Agamotto> gerberad:  Go into the settings, and pick a keyboard layout that says windows key at the end... I know there are a few generic entries...
[06:57] <NsOmNiAc> ok for some reason I'm brain dead right now
[06:57] <j813> How can I install g++, c++, gpp, etc. to make Flash for 64bit?
[06:57] <Agamotto> gerberad:  Yes, xmodmap was something else I was trying to remember
[06:57] <NsOmNiAc> recursive move of a directly and all subdirectorys is what ?
[06:57] <NsOmNiAc> command line
[06:57] <Quequeg> pztak, why not compile is as static?
[06:57] <God> Anyone kn ow how to get melange?
[06:57] <NsOmNiAc> errrr directory
[06:57] <gerberad> Agamotto, i'll try that w/win key layout firs
[06:58] <Agamotto> God:  Go to Arrakis?
[06:58] <God> Agamotto:  What?
[06:58] <Zedugh> Agamatto: lol
[06:58] <pztak> Quequeg, what do you mean? i did. i marked it as 'y' and not 'm'
[06:58] <NsOmNiAc> nm
[06:59] <pztak> Quequeg, but if i import my kernel config from the default ubuntu kernel, i see that for some reason ext3 is set as a module ???
[07:00] <gerberad> Agamotto, i think that w/windows key is a kde setting :\ not gnome
[07:00] <Agamotto> pztak:  All fs are considered modules.  It makes further fs developement with the kernel branches easier to manage
[07:00] <gerberad> anyone else have ideas re this keyboard and win keys?
[07:01] <Agamotto> gerberad:  Try the 105-key keyboard
[07:01] <pztak> Agamotto, I thought you were suppose to compile into the kernel your filesystem (not as a module) for the / partition ??
[07:01] <Zedugh> God: you can get melange at http://melange.sehrsupa.net/download/index.html
[07:01] <gerberad> Agamotto, that's int'l... not US
[07:02] <Agamotto> System -> Prefs -> Keyboard -> Layouts
[07:02] <Agamotto> Sure, but try it anyway to see if anything happens
[07:02] <gerberad> Agamotto, i know where it is ;)
[07:02] <Agamotto> Ok, just making sure
[07:02] <gerberad> brb, i was playiht xmodmap and set super to mod4, so i think all should be well again :)
[07:03] <Agamotto> pztak:  As long as it is set as a loadable module, no probs
[07:03] <eyequeue> did anyone else lose their desktop today with that upgrade?
[07:03] <eyequeue> as well as esd
[07:04] <renedox> no, I just reformatted
[07:04] <pztak> Agamotto, also, do you know why i get a .dep file missing if i use the make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image modules_image or is that error because i didn't make ext3 a module?
[07:04] <renedox> where can I get a complete list of repositories for breezy?
[07:04] <renedox> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:04] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:04] <ubotu> hmm... repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[07:04] <renedox> has the hoary ones
[07:04] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[07:04] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, totally, an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[07:04] <ghostpsalm> What permissions ought the /var and /tmp folders have, and all their contents?
[07:04] <eyequeue> how do i go about getting my 4 desktops back?
[07:05] <MrFarts> does anyone know why ubuntu has problems running remote X applicatons ?
[07:05] <MrFarts> i have DISPLAY setup propertly but the X server is refusing connections
[07:05] <Agamotto> eyequeue:  What upgrade please?
[07:05] <eyequeue> Agamotto:  in breezy today
[07:05] <Madpilot> ghostpsalm: 755
[07:05] <Agamotto> pztak:  yes, module dependency
[07:05] <foxiness> eyequeue, what you mean by lost desktop?
[07:05] <eyequeue> Agamotto:  one was security, one was not
[07:05] <pztak> Agamotto, what do you mean? how do i fix it?
[07:06] <eyequeue> foxiness:  there's 4 desktops normally?  i'm down to 1
[07:06] <tritium> Sorry to whoever I missed a message from...
[07:06] <ghostpsalm> Madpilot - and the /var/run/sudo file?  It says it ought too be 0700?
[07:06] <Madpilot> eyequeue: todays update ate your virtual desktops? it kept all eight of mine, no problems
[07:06] <eyequeue> also, the little icons inside the menus disappeared, if that's relevant
[07:06] <foxiness> eyequeue, did you mean Workspace Switcher ?
[07:06] <Agamotto> eyequeue:  Hmmm, I haven't seen anything so far, and I have been online for almost 3hrs now... go figure
[07:06] <Madpilot> ghostpsalm: that's what mine is set to
[07:07] <Zedugh> eyequeue, are you using gnome, kde, xfce4, or what?
[07:07] <eyequeue> foxiness:  i don't know gui terms well
[07:07] <eyequeue> Zedugh:  gnome
[07:07] <Agamotto> pztak:  Add the ext3 module as y to the kernel, if I am following correctly
[07:07] <Zedugh> i had no problem w/ today's updates
[07:07] <Zedugh> using gnome
[07:07] <foxiness> eyequeue, this 4 small box on bottem of your screen near to Trash?
[07:08] <Madpilot> eyequeue & Zedugh: Gnome here too, and no problems w/ my desktops
[07:08] <pztak> Agamotto, i did add the ext3 as 'y'.. you mean mark it as 'm' ? also, if i use ndiswrapper, do i have to dl the src and recompile the module or can i use what i have now?
[07:08] <God> melange won't install.
[07:08] <Zedugh> eyequeue, did you change, install, remove anything else?
[07:08] <eatnumber1> agamotto: any ideas?
[07:08] <eyequeue> foxiness:  there's only 1, but i meant the ability to alt-ctrl-right and alt-ctrl-left
[07:08] <c0rrupt> to whoeever was helping me, installing new headers didnt fix my problem
[07:08] <c0rrupt> HansZwolle, dont ping me
[07:08] <Madpilot> eyequeue: that's working here for me, too
[07:08] <c0rrupt> -.-
[07:09] <Agamotto> pztak:  You should be ok with y, but try m.  the ndiswrapper stuff should be ok as-is.
[07:09] <God> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4972 There are the errors.
[07:09] <eyequeue> these are the packages that upgraded (courtesy of apt-listchanges mail)
[07:09] <sethk> he's gone.
[07:09] <sethk> but y is always ok
[07:09] <Agamotto> eatnumber1:  No, and I can't figure why...
[07:09] <foxiness> eyequeue, ok try to reinstall this application may it solv this problem
[07:09] <eyequeue> iptables (1.3.1-2ubuntu1.1) breezy-updates; urgency=low
[07:09] <eyequeue> xkeyboard-config (0.6-5breezy1) breezy-updates; urgency=low
[07:09] <eatnumber1> agamotto: ok... thx for ure help
[07:10] <rubem> hy tehre
[07:10] <Madpilot> eyequeue: yeah, I had the same two, and no trouble
[07:10] <eyequeue> i cant imagine netfilter is the culprit, but xkeyboardconfig is a gui thing?
[07:10] <MrFarts> anyone ?
[07:10] <rubem> anyone know how to configyure JAVA_HOME ?
[07:10] <Agamotto> eyequeue: X manages both keyboards and mouse to some degreen
[07:10] <RedRose> how do i make a process child that won't gewt killed after i exit the user(root)?
[07:10] <eyequeue> Madpilot:  any ideas what bit me?
[07:10] <renedox> MrFarts: did you enable x forwarding?
[07:10] <God> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d4972 There are the errors when I try to make melange.
[07:11] <pztak> Agamotto, i did try with y and that's when i got the funky error about ext3 module not being able to load even though i compiled it as y and not a module..
[07:11] <MrFarts> renedox, do i need to ?
[07:11] <rubem> ?????
[07:11] <renedox> MrFarts: yes
[07:11] <MrFarts> renedox, i just typed in xhost +
[07:11] <eyequeue> Agamotto:  i'm more inclined to think of this at a higher level than x though, more ilke gnome level
[07:11] <MrFarts> renedox, what else needs to be done ?
[07:11] <RedRose> how do i make a process child that won't gewt killed after i exit the user(root)? i want to start an nmap, then logout