[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[08:39] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> I have been working on the GB speller for ~2 hours
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> what's up?
[08:40] <EoflaOE> Everything is fine marcoagpinto. How about you?
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> well, right now I am feeling fine and drinking my cola bottle
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:41] <EoflaOE> Nice bottle. I have made changes to my blog. Sidebar and site wallpaper
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> cool
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> yesterday, when I said that grey font was hard to read, I was referring to the site wallpaper
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:45] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Now, can you read gray text using the new wallpaper?
[08:45] <marcoagpinto> let me check
[08:45] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:46] <marcoagpinto> yes, but the previous wallpaper looked better
[08:46] <marcoagpinto> there were just the grey issue
[08:46] <marcoagpinto> were=was*
[08:47] <EoflaOE> OK.
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:07] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello!!!! I was buying cola
[11:07] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto, of course you were ...
[11:08] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:54] <fallenour> Snaps are evil, and are breaking ubuntu, #prove me wrong
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> its the users choice fallenour
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> if you dont want snaps, dont use them?
[11:55] <fallenour> I cant choose, thats part of the issue lotuspsychje. The last LXD update for packages is 2.X, snap is 3.X
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> !latest
[11:56] <fallenour> Id upgrade instantly, melt the sun, freeze the North, whatever it took to make it work, but theres just not a solution it seems for 16.04LTS, and I havent seen one for 18.04LTS either.
[11:56] <fallenour> I mean latest stable, not latest latest, I rarely if ever install those.
[11:57] <lotus|i5> or consider moving up a higher ubuntu version
[11:57] <fallenour> if itll fix it, id move to 19.04
[11:57] <fallenour> I have images for 18.04 atm
[11:57] <lotus|i5> non-lts isnt really reccomended for server production
[11:57] <fallenour> 18.04, or 19.04?
[11:58] <lotus|i5> 18.04 = lts  19.04 non-lts
[11:59] <fallenour> Im going to risk upgrading one of my ha primary storage controllers to test
[11:59] <fallenour> Ill try literally anything
[12:00] <lotus|i5> upgrading what to what?
[12:00] <fallenour> ill even try sysadmin cat, which would probably work best. 16.04LTS > 18.04LTS
[12:00] <fallenour> Im super paranoid about snaps because of all of the issues they cause, as demonstrated here.
[12:02] <fallenour> ok now this is just... its saying theres no upgrade for 16.04 to 18.04, that just simply cant be right
[12:02] <fallenour> whats everyones general experience with MaaS > Juju > <systems>
[14:35] <akemhp> My USB Wifi dongle was google while the computer was not moving, but that i move it around a bit, it's not so good in fact.
[14:38] <tomreyn> looks like you have an imperfect auto correction which things that google is an inherently good thing there
[14:38] <tomreyn> *thinKs - apparently i don't have auto correction
[14:42] <akemhp> :D
[14:42] <akemhp> I didn't even notice.
[14:42] <TJ-> I thing when somethink is spult incorectly its moor entraining
[14:42] <akemhp> And i skipped the "now" too.
[14:42] <akemhp> Hehe
[14:43] <TJ-> Anyone got serious with SDN/Openflow and have opinions on hardware?
[14:47] <tomreyn> i could repeat what i think i suggested last time you asked something that was above my pay grade: /join ##networking. but then you already did, just didn't ask *this* question there.
[14:49] <tomreyn> i thnk the last network guy who i feel really knows what he does *and* liked SDN was happy with a mix of juniper and arista
[14:50] <tomreyn> *guy i met / knew
[14:51] <TJ-> I'm going lowbrow... looking at the NorthBound Zodiak GX all F/OSS and the earlier FX was a kickstarter project that worked in conjunction with a RasPi
[14:53] <tomreyn> those whose USP is "PRICE INCLUDES FREE SHIPPING!!111"
[14:54] <tomreyn> looks liek they're sold out?
[14:56] <tomreyn> i guess you can build those yourself based on pcengines apu2, though
[14:59] <TJ-> possibly but it isn't urgent; I'm designing a BSc degree level apprenticeship course that has a large networking component and want to make SDN the core and give students real hardware to work with
[15:00] <tomreyn> where can i register?
[15:01] <tomreyn> looks like development is complete. https://github.com/NorthboundNetworks/ZodiacGX
[15:02] <TJ-> for security it's all paper based :D
[15:02] <TJ-> write your encrypted packets on paper aeroplanes and throw them :p
[15:04] <tomreyn> ah, too, bad, i don't use paper anymore for ecological reasons. (i only buy ikea shelves).
[15:06] <TJ-> yes, folks have got their hands on GXs, presumably they're manufactured in batches
[15:07] <TJ-> more seriously... you've given me an idea. Maybe we can deliver some of the course using remote learning (if students can obtain the hardware themselves or we sell it) - only been thinking in terms of delivering this through employers (like us) who want to train people rapidly and with depth and quality
[15:11] <tomreyn> webinaaaah!
[15:12] <tomreyn> it could certainly be nice to offer this to a brader audience, yes.
[15:12] <tomreyn> *brOader
[15:13] <TJ-> It could make it more profitable for us for sure and it'd obvisouly scale well - though we'd have to think through how we'd manage demand for personal supervision to keep students on-track and motivated
[15:18] <tomreyn> i can see how this instantly blows up the size of this project
[15:20] <TJ-> Well I was already planning on using ATutor/AContent to deliver and manage the courses and that purposed-designed for web delivery. I contributed some patches to those projects a few years ago. I recall relatively recently the retiring Professor appealing for a new maintainer but at the time didn't have a reason to volunteer... shall have to revisit that
[15:30] <tomreyn> i never heard of those before, but i'm not really into this kind of software. by the looks (web design, urls) atutor must have been developed during php3 times originally.
[15:33] <tomreyn> it's also full of XSS :-/
[15:33] <tomreyn> and probably worse
[15:33] <tomreyn> yes, sqli too
[15:33] <tomreyn> that'd be a lot of work
[15:43] <TJ-> yeah .... interia and technical debt. Patches are still flowing in from other devs to fix CVEs though. Probably better to choose Moodle since it has a much more active dev community
[15:43] <TJ-> Originally I didn't like it due to what it was based around, or language/framework. Cannot recall now what my precise objection was
[15:49] <tomreyn> moodle had the same issues, and apparently still has to a degree, but it's been under a lot more scrutiny already, due to the larger user base, i agree.
[15:50] <tomreyn> the other day i read someonthing about a newly done open source web conferencing with a focus on education, which looked good, and also had seemed to have more orginizing features. but i already forgot the name.
[15:53] <TJ-> I hope it was built around jitsi :)
[15:54] <tomreyn> i don't really know, but that's what i was thinking of, too
[15:54] <tomreyn> the new jitsi thing looks great
[15:56] <tomreyn> hmm i can't seem to find it anymore.
[15:58] <TJ-> It is... deploying it for a conference room and for remote health/doctor consultations