[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[13:48] <elky> Good grief, I thought we were smarter than the average voters. Of the 55 people who've voted, a whopping 15 haven't validated the votes by the tokens.
[13:49] <elky> At 30 voters, we had 30 validated vote sets.
[13:49] <nigelb> oh?
[13:49]  * elky headdesks
[13:50] <nigelb> just 30 votes?
[13:50] <elky> no, 40 validated sets now. 15 unvalidated sets
[13:50] <nigelb> too lazy?
[13:51] <nigelb> or just spam?
[13:51] <elky> I set up a little reporting page so I could monitor progress a little. "There were 55 voters registered and 40 vote sets were validated by email tokens."
[13:51] <elky> no, they seem like valid addresses.
[13:52] <elky> The reporting page will be shown once it's all over. But still... 15/55 is a lot of people who haven't followed the instructions.
[13:52] <AlanBell> the first 30 followed the instructions and the following 15 all didn't?
[13:52] <nigelb> which were kind of clear
[13:53] <elky> AlanBell, first 30 did, 15 of the next 25 did not.
[13:53]  * AlanBell fails at adding up
[13:53]  * AlanBell blames lunch at the pub
[13:53] <nigelb> AlanBell: lost senses by 2 pm?
[13:53] <elky> food coma!
[13:54] <nigelb> speaking of food, I'm hungry.  need to order dinner
[13:54] <elky> I'm kind of wondering if a large influx of non-english speaking folk might be to blame
[13:55] <nigelb> there are limitations to translations we can give
[13:55] <nigelb> but stories were in english anyway
[13:55] <nigelb> (mostly)
[14:41] <akgraner> hey all just posted email on the goal/blueprints we didn't get a chance to go over in the meeting - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-March/002545.html
[14:41] <akgraner> Can someone grab it and add it to the forums please :-)
[14:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: aloha
[14:42] <akgraner> czajkowski, hey!
[16:04] <nigelb> Pendulum: dropped joining a few channels?
[16:04] <Pendulum> nigelb: I can't autojoin at work (which is probably a good thing) and, well, I'm at work, so I try to keep to a few channels so I don't get too distracted
[16:04] <nigelb> Pendulum: haha
[18:11] <akgraner> Pendulum, issyl0 you have mail :-)
[18:12] <issyl0> akgraner: aah, thanks!
[18:14] <akgraner> issyl0, it's about 300 words too long  :-(
[18:14] <Pendulum> akgraner: thanks!
[18:14] <issyl0> We'll trim it down, I've already noticed some double words
[18:14] <issyl0> akgraner: interesting though!
[18:15] <akgraner> yeah :-)
[18:15] <akgraner> I am terrible at editing my own stuff :-/
[18:16] <issyl0> Pendulum: does gDocs editing sound alright, easier?
[18:16] <Pendulum> issyl0: sure
[18:16] <Pendulum> e-mail me :)
[18:16] <Pendulum> (sorry, in the middle of sorting my lunch while at work)
[18:17] <issyl0> No worries.
[18:19] <issyl0> akgraner: the America Dairy Goat Association?  :O
[18:23] <issyl0> akgraner: is it OK if the one :-) gets removed?
[18:23]  * issyl0 doesn't know if that'll trim it, but hey :)
[18:32] <akgraner> issyl0, yeah that's fine :-)  it was just one of those quirky things
[18:34] <Pendulum> I am going to fight to figure out how to tighten without trimming that last question just because it made me laugh :)
[18:34] <pleia2> speaking of which, Pendulum on track for FCM interview?
[18:35] <Pendulum> pleia2: yes :)
[18:35] <Pendulum> you'll have it either tomorrow or Sunday
[18:35] <pleia2> I tend to do a bit of editing, so sunday cuts it close
[18:35] <Pendulum> okay
[18:35] <pleia2> but it should be fine this time around
[18:35] <Pendulum> *nods*
[18:36] <Pendulum> it's mostly just a matter of figuring out the best editing in what we currently have
[18:36] <Pendulum> I'll have a chance to look at it tonight
[18:36]  * pleia2 nods
[18:37] <akgraner> Pendulum, :-)


[13:39] <apw> it looks like the utopic linux-signed got missed for final new processing when the last batch of SRUs were popped into -proposed, i wonder if anyone can have a look at it
[13:40] <apw> (thanks)


[15:48] <gaurav2> hi friends I have some problems to connect DMS site in ubuntu any one have any idea what I miss???
[15:50] <pavlushka> no idea :p
[15:52] <gaurav42> it's working only in IE and I want to switch all 20 pc on ubuntu but main DMS not working in ubuntu Firefox so I am in trouble :(
[15:54] <pavlushka> gaurav42: tried asking in #ubuntu ?
[15:56] <gaurav42> yes but they can't help me
[15:56] <pavlushka> gaurav42: I know a remotely slight common case where a linksys switch supports only IE and telnet :)
[15:57] <pavlushka> though its not the case of any switch
[15:59] <gaurav42> sir I have order of one company and I need to switch all pc from windows to ubuntu but condition is DMS working in ubuntu
[15:59] <pavlushka> gaurav: if any tool or specific software you use , might help asking that specific #channel :)
[15:59] <pavlushka> to manage the job
[15:59] <pavlushka> gaurav42: ^
[16:00] <gaurav42> no specific software that DMS site open in Firefox
[16:00] <pavlushka> though cant guarantee that the channel will be so active :)
[16:01] <pavlushka> gaurav42: tried chromium?
[16:01]  * pavlushka just guessing
[16:01] <gaurav42> yes
[16:02] <gaurav42> I also try wine and live on Linux software for IE but it also give me error
[16:02] <pavlushka> gaurav42: you can join moznet network and ask their in #firefox channel :)
[16:02] <gaurav42> so I am trying to solve this issue in native browser
[16:03] <gaurav42> #firefox
[16:03] <pavlushka> gaurav42: by native browser you mean?
[16:04] <gaurav42> like IE in windows and Firefox in ubuntu so I want to configure that site in Firefox
[16:04] <pavlushka> gaurav42: yes, irc.mozilla.org / moznet
[16:05] <pavlushka> gaurav: ubuntu is gnu/linux, and most of the gnu/linux uses firefox, so that will be a common issue
[16:05] <pavlushka> gaurav42:
[16:06] <pavlushka> gaurav42: I mean the solution supposed to be gnu/linux universal if any fix is available :)
[16:08] <pavlushka> gaurav42: and of course in moznet, the issue might be a priority :)
[16:08] <gaurav42> it should work on ubuntu if it's working in IE
[16:09] <gaurav42> because all web base software su
[16:09] <gaurav42> should work
[16:09] <pavlushka> gaurav42: I guess the issue is browser specific, does that work in firefox on windows?
[16:10] <gaurav42> no
[16:10] <pavlushka> gaurav42: told ya, the issue is browser specific :)
[16:10] <gaurav42> it's main dma site of Mahindra company
[16:11] <pavlushka> gaurav42: so we should try fixing the thing for firefox :
[16:11] <pavlushka> gaurav42: and wow for the fact :)
[16:11] <gaurav42> how can we fix ?
[16:11] <pavlushka> gaurav42: Mahindra Cmpany! Its a big challenge then :)
[16:12] <gaurav42> yes
[16:12] <pavlushka> gaurav42: join #firefox on the other network irc.mozilla.org and ask there, I am there too :)
[16:13] <gaurav42> can you send me IRC link so I connect direct I am from mobile app
[16:17]  * pavlushka trying
[16:24] <pavlushka> gaurav: you there?
[16:26] <pavlushka> gaurav2: hang on, gonna post some links of imgur, might help, for connecting irc from phone :)
[16:26] <pavlushka> to moznet
[16:33] <eprbata> http://i.imgur.com/A4pByaR.png
[16:33] <pavlushka> gaurav42: check this http://i.imgur.com/A4pByaR.png
[16:34] <eprbata> http://i.imgur.com/faT6IIL.png
[16:35] <eprbata> http://i.imgur.com/u0RFDNI.png
[16:35] <pavlushka> gaurav42: check the later two links
[16:36] <gaurav422> ok
[16:36] <pavlushka> gaurav42: to connect, you have to select "other" option
[16:37] <pavlushka> gaurav422:
[16:37] <pavlushka> gaurav422: the instances used for androidirc
[16:37] <pavlushka> app
[16:40] <gaurav422> I am using yaaic irc
[16:41] <pavlushka> gaurav: and how you first connected to freenode? from yaaic?
[16:41] <pavlushka> gaurav422:
[16:41] <gaurav422> just search Ubuntu IRC chenal
[16:42] <pavlushka> the same way you have to connect to moznet/ irc.mozilla.org, for freenode, the address is irc.freenode.net
[16:44] <gaurav422> ok I am trying today net speed is slow :(
[17:06] <gaurav42> I can't open both site IRC.mozilla.org and .net
[17:11] <gaurav42> pavlushka: hi
[17:14] <gaurav42> ?
[17:15] <gaurav42> pavlushka: are you here?
[17:33] <pavlushka> gaurav42: yep
[17:34] <pavlushka> gaurav42: yep
[17:34] <pavlushka> gaurav42: ping
[17:37] <pavlushka> zaki: gaurav42 has some issue with connecting to DMS using firefox, if you you have any light to shade :p
[17:38] <zaki> what DMS?
[17:39] <gaurav42> database management system it's used in big company
[17:40] <gaurav42> like Maruti Honda Mahindra
[17:40] <pavlushka> gaurav42: is it kind of this http://www.fsc.va.gov/fsc/dms.asp ?
[17:41] <gaurav42> like all data store in one place and access from any dealer
[17:41] <gaurav42> pavlushka: just min I'll check that site
[17:42] <pavlushka> gaurav42: then explain it to seburo on #firefox and better in one line, the practice of asking for help has a tradition
[17:42] <pavlushka> !ask | gaurav42
[17:43] <gaurav42> yes like this site
[17:44] <pavlushka> gaurav42: we are discussing about your issue on #firefox on moznet, keep an eye :)
[17:45] <pavlushka> and gaurav42 , if you please reply to seburo there on #firefox :)
[17:46] <pavlushka> on moznet
[18:10] <pavlushka> welcome RajRajRaj Raj :p
[18:10] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: ty :)


[03:03] <fructose> I'm on kernel 5.0.0-38-generic, but when I apt source kernel-source, edit and build a driver, and insmod it, it fails and dmesg reports a version magic 5.0.21. How do I get that to match 5.0.0-38-generic instead?
[03:07] <fructose> Alternatively, I've tried to manually bind a driver and am given 'No such device', but I'd be happy to have help figuring out if I'm using the wrong bus id.


[18:22] <penguin42> https://cdn.mastodon.org.uk/media_attachments/files/109/773/869/909/464/211/original/06f1ce03dfbf7574.png   first recovered teletext page
[18:26] <zxmpi> and someone will gather the 1000s of pages saved over decades of vhs use and release them on a floppy :-D
[18:28] <penguin42> zxmpi: Pretty much: https://archive.teletextarchaeologist.org/
[19:08] <davef> I miss teletext. especially bamboozle on channel 4.
[21:00] <zxmpi> one of the great unappreciated services. what's on tv tonight. turn on tv and call up guide. subtitles. page 888. news there you go.
[21:13] <penguin42> but I need to 1) bisect a kernel bug that seems to be affecting bt878 cards, and 2) work out whether I'm going to capture whole tapes or what


[00:21] <starrats> hello everyone
[00:22] <belkinsa> Long time no see
[00:22] <starrats> yes it has been, how have you been belkinsa and how are your studies coming along?


[00:02] <harlowja> hmmm, supposed to work
[00:02] <harlowja> but maybe i broke it, ha
[00:03] <harlowja> abhi_ what is in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg ?
[00:03] <harlowja> 'Undecodable permissions None, assuming 420' seems bad
[00:03] <harlowja> whats the userdata u are sending (no private info in it thx)
[00:15] <abhi_> User data is:
[00:15] <abhi_> #cloud-config repo_update: true repo_upgrade: all  packages:  - httpd  - crypto-utils  - mod_perl  - mod_ssl  - mod_wsgi  - mysql-server  - php  - php-gd  - php-pdo  - php-pear  - php-xml  - php-mysql  - git  ssh_authorized_keys:  - ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQC+a7nTOBzHq/dcK3j8q6HCcyJDO7g7lv4QSdPGrtIH/M+u3fEqbo4f5JCIouP2yxeCCJolvEXOo0iMvKcfv0z2yiF5c1Xe8ilDwRbbIDAVEcQ1hlIm+LC3ScFTzd0EG/150FCIHAHna5UZfi36ZDm2ofdz1RcL9yMOu+
[00:16] <abhi_> It is basically bunc onf yum packages, ssh_authorized_keys, write_files. Note that the same user data works when I create the VM and attach the disk. Though it works partiall when I attache the disk to a cloned VM
[00:27] <abhi_> contents of /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg in cloned VM is same as the created VM on which the userdata works perfectly including yum packages installation.
[00:27] <abhi_> content of /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg:
[00:27] <abhi_> users:  - default  disable_root: 1 ssh_pwauth:   0  locale_configfile: /etc/sysconfig/i18n mount_default_fields: [~, ~, 'auto', 'defaults,nofail', '0', '2'] resize_rootfs_tmp: /dev ssh_deletekeys:   0 ssh_genkeytypes:  ~ syslog_fix_perms: ~  cloud_init_modules:  - migrator  - bootcmd  - write-files  - growpart  - resizefs  - set_hostname  - update_hostname  - update_etc_hosts  - rsyslog  - users-groups  - ssh  cloud_config_modules:
[00:28] <abhi_> - yum-add-repo  - package-update-upgrade-install  - timezone  - puppet  - chef  - salt-minion  - mcollective  - disable-ec2-metadata  - runcmd  cloud_final_modules:  - rightscale_userdata  - scripts-per-once  - scripts-per-boot  - scripts-per-instance  - scripts-user  - ssh-authkey-fingerprints  - keys-to-console  - phone-home  - final-message  system_info:   default_user:     name: centos     lock_passwd: true     gecos: Cloud Use
[00:28] <abhi_> sudo: ["ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL"]     shell: /bin/bash   distro: rhel   paths:     cloud_dir: /var/lib/cloud     templates_dir: /etc/cloud/templates   ssh_svcname: sshd  # vim:syntax=yaml
[00:54] <harlowja> can u put that in a pastebin somewhere
[00:54] <harlowja> my guess is some syntax is off somehow
[01:15] <abhi_> sure, http://pastebin.com/zJDsFaNC
[01:15] <abhi_> thanks
[01:22] <abhi_> just want to point out that this cfg works when I create the VM and attach configdrivev2 iso, only during clone case certain things of cuser data like yum, git clone does not work. Userdata: http://pastebin.com/gn0XiVbx
[17:33] <harlowja> hmmm, guess can't help abhi diagnosis the rest of that issue, lol


[15:58] <linuxr> hi all, any news regarding the beedingtooth fix? There's nothing released yet, is it?
[15:59] <arighi> linuxr, fix has been applied to all our kernels, we are in the process of releasing them
[16:00] <linuxr> arighi, great to hear, looking forward to the release then


[17:51] <chiluk> nhaines did e-mails go out about speaking at ubucon?  All I have from you right now is an IRC message.  Is something more official coming out that I can pass along to my employer?  Preferably very soon?
[18:25] <lynorian> I haven't gotten anything


[01:11] <kklimonda> tumbleweed: what tests did fail when you were packagng eventlet? I've just tried 0.9.14, and all pass (or are skipped) on both natty and sid pbuilders.
[03:40] <c2tarun> can anyone please explain me this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/566833/
[03:41] <micahg> c2tarun : the problem is probably the line above that
[03:41] <c2tarun> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/566834/
[03:43] <c2tarun> micahg: here are the lines above that error ^^
[03:44] <micahg> c2tarun: nope
[03:44] <c2tarun> micahg: you mean more lines?
[03:44] <micahg> c2tarun: yeah, until there's a line with error in it
[03:45] <persia> That comes when the linker can't find the things to link against.  Might be libraries not installed, or not referenced by the linker.  Might be API changes.  Might be bugs.
[03:45] <c2tarun> micahg: ya i found the line with error http://paste.ubuntu.com/566835/
[03:46] <persia> Most common cause is the order of arguments to the linker: you need to add anything linked against before the thing linking against.  This is new behaviour with the recent toolchain, so it's not surprising if some older buildsystems fail.
[03:47] <c2tarun> persia: are you explaining my error?
[03:47] <micahg> c2tarun: you might want to move either -lssl or -lcrypto before the bacula libs
[03:49] <c2tarun> micahg: in rules file right?
[03:50] <micahg> c2tarun: depends on the package, usually in configure of some sort
[03:51] <c2tarun> micahg: actually I am not able to understand the error. Can you please explain a bit.
[03:52] <micahg> c2tarun: you might want to read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ToolchainTransition, looks like an --as-needed issue
[03:52] <c2tarun> micahg: ok, sure :) i'll read it. thanks
[04:17] <c2tarun> micahg: in the wiki page you gave me they used dpkg -S to search which package contains the particular library. I tried in manual pages but I think there is no information about -S can you please tell why we use -S
[04:25] <Flannel> c2tarun: dpkg -S in man dpkg is right above OPTIONS (dpkg-query portion), `man dpkg-query` gives you the normal paragraph stuff for -S
[04:28] <c2tarun> I am getting an error while building binary package, the error is due to some libraries are not directly linked. But I dont know which libraries. How can i find? I tried "dpkg -S TLSv1_method" but got an error that method not found.
[04:35] <c2tarun> ping
[04:52] <arand> c2tarun: If you are looking for a specific file, apt-file might be of help.
[05:01] <c2tarun> arand: here is the error I am getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/566845/
[05:03] <c2tarun> arand: as we can see that the library libbac.so is trying to use method TLSv1_method. So I have to link the library containing TL* method. but I dont know which lib contains it and where do I put the name of that library in order to link it.
[05:05] <micahg> c2tarun: it's probably ssl or crypto
[05:05] <micahg> c2tarun: dpkg -S is when you're looking for a library that's not on the linker line, in this case, I believe you have the library, just not in the correct order
[05:06] <c2tarun> micahg: ok, so from where can i access the order ? I mean which file is responsible for this?
[05:23] <micahg> c2tarun: usually configure
[05:25] <persia> Although it can vary wildly based on the buildsystem: it's often good to examine the logs and see what command has the order, and then backtrack through the variable substitutions.
[05:33] <c2tarun> persia: where can I find the log files, you just mentioned? ^^
[05:34] <persia> Your build logs?  Depends how you build it.  There's usually a .build file that is the log or a symlink to the log.
[05:34] <c2tarun> persia: I build it using pbuilder-dist natty build *.dsc.
[05:34] <micahg> last_operation.log in pbuider
[05:34] <micahg> err, pbuilder-dist
[05:36] <c2tarun> micahg: last_operation.log just tells me that error occured while compiling btape.c but didn't tell from where the command is issued, I mean from which file
[05:37] <c2tarun> whereas source.build file is kind of a log for creating source package, but not binary package.
[05:39] <persia> c2tarun, That file will contain some command that had an error.  This command will have been generated by whatever build system the source uses.
[05:40] <persia> In most cases, the actual command is the result of variable substitution, so you have to backtrack through the various build files from the one that generated the command that had the error to the one that controls how that appears.
[05:40] <persia> At some point, you'll get back to the files that are available in the source package, and you can modify the appropriate file.
[05:42] <c2tarun> persia: here is the beginning of error http://paste.ubuntu.com/566849/ I am not getting how to backtrack.
[05:43] <persia> Look through the buildsystem files to find out what is calling libtool.
[05:43] <persia> Then look through the buildsystem files to find out what is controlling how libtool is called.
[05:43] <c2tarun> I am sorry but what do you mean by buildsystem files?
[05:43] <persia> Then continue until you get to the place you need to change.
[05:44] <persia> makefiles, cmakefiles, setup.py files, Makefile.PL files, perhaps shell scripts, autotools files, whatever.  It entirely depends on how your source generates binaries.
[05:44] <c2tarun> persia: ok
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <c2tarun> dholbach: good morning :)
[07:32] <dholbach> hi c2tarun
[07:32] <c2tarun> dholbach: hi :)
[07:57] <micahg> should we be building with -Werror?
[08:00] <tumbleweed> that will cause issues with all upstream packages that don't take their warnings seriously
[08:00] <micahg> well, I'm looking at blobwars, and upstream doesn't see to like to deal with the return value of fread
[08:01] <micahg> s/see/seem
[08:03] <micahg> tumbleweed: would it be better for me to just add code to catch the return value of frad?
[08:03] <micahg> *fread
[08:06] <micahg> tumbleweed: weirdly enough, it doesn't fail in Debian
[08:07] <tumbleweed> a warning added in gcc 4.5? /me is still pulling source...
[08:11] <micahg> tumbleweed: fails for me on maverick as well (should be gcc-4.4)
[08:11] <micahg> tumbleweed: I can pastebin the error if you like
[08:13] <tumbleweed> micahg: naah, I'll just give up on this and play on a box in EU instead
[08:14] <micahg> tumbleweed: there are only 4 instances where the return value isn't processed
[08:17] <tumbleweed> micahg: yeah it does look buggy
[08:17] <micahg> tumbleweed: so, what should I do?
[08:17] <tumbleweed> patch it and submit a patch upstream, I guess
[08:19] <micahg> tumbleweed: does this look ok, or should I actually process the return value? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566871/
[08:19] <tumbleweed> micahg: catching a return value and not doing anything with it (i.e. hiding the bug) is worse than not catching it
[08:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: ok, there's one working example in the code, I"ll try to follow that
[08:25] <tumbleweed> micahg: Many of the things that can go wrong with file handling are very unlikely to happen in normal circumstances, so just aborting can be a sane option.
[08:29] <micahg> tumbleweed: ok, I think I got it
[08:33] <persia> Better to retry or something, rather than abort.  A user typically can't tell the difference between an abort and the segfault that would likely otherwise occur from the failed operation.
[08:33] <micahg> tumbleweed: ok, here's the error now, I seem to be using the variable, but it's not happy http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/566877/
[08:34] <persia> Mind you, you only want to retry once or twice, or just provide some error message to the user, and go for manual retry, to avoid getting into a non-terminating loop.
[08:34] <micahg> err, I think I see the issue :-/
[08:35] <micahg> this is one problem after another
[08:35]  * micahg wonders why Debian's -Werror doesn't catch this, nor upstreams
[08:42]  * micahg is glad Firefox isn't built like this
[08:47] <micahg> first fread, the fseek, now fgets
[08:54] <geser> micahg: does Debian use -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 by default?
[08:56] <micahg> geser: idk
[08:57] <geser> AFAIK Debian doesn't use it and I'm not sure that's the reason for your error but most likely
[08:57] <micahg> geser: we seem to have some type of option warn_unused_result
[08:58] <persia> Good to have that option.  I think those are the cause of a majority of our segfaults.
[08:58]  * micahg will continue fixing this another night
[08:58] <persia> (well, maybe not a majority: use-before-set is very popular as well)
[15:09] <Rhonda> Where do I see build logs, I got informed that flightgear gives troubles in natty?
[15:10] <Rhonda> I might be blind but I don't find it on launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flightgear …
[15:11] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: linked from the builds https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flightgear/1.9.1-1.1
[15:17] <geser> Rhonda: is it for the flightgear package currently in the archive or for a possible sync? I know that sebner was looking at building flightgear 2.0.0-3 and had issues with "ld --no-add-needed"
[15:18] <ari-tczew> dholbach: around?
[15:18] <dholbach> ari-tczew, yes, but a bit busy - how can I help?
[15:19] <ari-tczew> dholbach: sponsors overview has been hanged
[15:19] <dholbach> I guess I know the reason for it
[15:20] <ari-tczew> dholbach: btw. could you request to Launchpad remove ~ubuntu-main-sponsors? it's not needed anymore.
[15:20] <dholbach> can somebody else please do this?
[15:20] <dholbach> I'm really quite busy
[15:20] <dholbach> and regarding the sponsoring overview, I hope this will fix it: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-sponsoring/lp-usage/+merge/49648
[15:21] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: ^^
[15:22] <ari-tczew> dholbach: do you mean someone else request remove ~ubuntu-main-sponsors?
[15:22] <dholbach> yes
[15:22] <dholbach> you have my ok
[15:22] <ari-tczew> dholbach: OK will do it.
[15:22] <dholbach> thanks
[15:23] <geser> Rhonda: if it was about flightgear 2.0.0-3 see http://pastebin.com/VHvQmEDk for the build failure (solutions seems to be to move "-lsgio" after "-lOpenThreads", at least it worked when I tried it manually inside my pbuilder)
[15:24] <Rhonda> geser: Yes, sebner did ping me to look at it.
[15:27] <Rhonda> geser: I'm looking into building the unpatched package and work through his patches after that to see wether it's related to that. :)
[15:27] <Rhonda> Actually natty currently is synced, not merged, so I wonder if a plain sync would work.
[15:28] <geser> Rhonda: the pastebin is the error you'll get when you try to build it in natty
[15:28] <geser> you should be able to get in Debian with binutils-gold too
[15:28] <ari-tczew> dholbach: FYI https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/145351
[15:29] <dholbach> thanks ari-tczew
[15:29] <Rhonda> geser: In his PPA he has a ubuntu15 version or such?
[15:33] <geser> Rhonda: I tried the unmodified Debian package when he asked me for help about the FTBFS
[15:33] <Rhonda> Ah, alright.
[15:33] <Rhonda> Got anywhere? :)
[15:34] <Rhonda> Hmm, there is no bugreport in Debian about binutils-gold. Weren't they all tested and filed?
[15:34] <geser> when I reordered the libs in the g++ (inside the pbuilder shell) and moved "-lsgio" after "-lOpenThreads" the linking worked
[15:35] <geser> but I didn't look how to get this into the Makefile
[15:53] <mvo> hey! I was just looking at some universe packages that look like they haven't been rebuild for py2.7 - mind if I upload them or should I get in contact with someone who coordindates it?
[16:00] <Laney> mvo: haven't heard of anyone doing that, feel free to do it
[16:00] <Laney> maybe drop a mail to -motu if it's a lot
[16:06] <tumbleweed> mvo: go for it, I think. barry was taking care of them last time I looked
[16:25] <alucardni> 3clear
[16:25] <alucardni> oopps
[16:51] <mvo> thanks Laney, tumbleweed
[17:37] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: don't assign if you're want sponsorship
[17:38] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: I was asked to
[17:38] <kklimonda> erm, don't assign to myself
[17:38] <kklimonda> right
[17:39] <kklimonda> but I did unassign myself.. hmm
[17:39] <kklimonda> ok, it didn't work
[17:40] <ari-tczew> ;)
[18:33] <ScottK> YokoZar: What does "err:dosmem:DOSMEM_MapDosLayout Need full access to the first megabyte for DOS mode" mean I need to do?
[18:47] <kees> ScottK: means you need to disable mmap_min_addr, I think.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure wine1.2   should ask you about it.
[18:48] <ScottK> kees: Thanks.
[18:49] <ScottK> Gotta love documentation ... They are provided "as is". It is assumed that if you are interested in this, you can pretty well figure out what to do with it.
[18:49] <ScottK> from a REAME.TXT
[18:53] <ari-tczew> udienz: you subscribed ubuntu-sponsors to gkamus bug, did you got enough advocates?
[18:56] <ari-tczew> I have an idea looking on udienz case on sponsors overview
[18:56] <udienz> ari-tczew, gkamus not advocates by anyone right now
[18:56] <ari-tczew> when someone is looking for MOTU review @REVU, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[18:57] <ari-tczew> geser, persia: what's the process of update policy?
[18:58] <ari-tczew> (firstly discussing)
[19:00] <ScottK> kees: That was exactly it (including dpkg-reconfigure wine1.2).  Thanks again.
[19:03] <kees> ScottK: cool; you're welcome. :)
[19:03] <ScottK> (I even remembered to put it back when I was done)
[19:12] <geser> ari-tczew: which policy?
[19:13] <ari-tczew> geser: <ari-tczew> when someone is looking for MOTU review @REVU, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[19:17] <geser> ari-tczew: I don't know if we have a process for it, but a first step would be to write a mail describing the change and rationale for it, and wait some time (1-2 weeks) for feedback. I guess mailing ubuntu-motu and ubuntu-devel would be good for asking for feedback.
[19:18] <ari-tczew> geser: what do you think about this idea?
[19:20] <geser> not sure myself yet, have to think about it and read your rationale, but my first questions are a) has ubuntu-sponsors the resources for it and b) is this the right path?
[19:21] <geser> I ask about b) because I'm not sure that REVU helps us in the long run or only attracts hit-and-run packages which MOTU has to maintain and update in the future (and MOTU lacks the resouces for it)
[19:24] <ari-tczew> but this is good way to get new packages quickly
[19:25] <geser> yes, but do those packagers stay to maintain them?
[19:25] <Laney> What are you trying to achieve? Patch pilots looking at new packages?
[19:25] <geser> (that's just my opinion about REVU and shouldn't stop you)
[19:27] <blueyed> Is natty currently badly broken? I am thinking about dist-upgrading now.
[19:28] <micahg> well, I think REVU is good for getting packages in shape, they we should throw them over to Debian once they're ready
[19:28] <micahg> but for that use case, the sponsoring queue is certainly not appropriate
[19:29] <ari-tczew> what does it mean? Makefile.am:109: linker flags such as `-Wl,--no-as-needed' belong in `src_liblwmsg_la_LDFLAGS
[19:29] <ari-tczew> Laney: not exactly patch pilots, just information to MOTUs about packages which needs review
[19:30] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I'm guessing that was from some linker flags in LIBS / CFLAGS rather than LDFLAGS
[19:30] <Laney> that information is already available on REVU
[19:30] <Laney> if people wish to review new packages (it's a very differnet kind of review IMO) then they can look there
[19:31] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I'm trying to fix ./common/.libs/liblwsmcommon.so: undefined reference to `lwmsg_handle_type_class'
[19:31] <ari-tczew> and I guess -Wl,--no-as-needed would be helpful
[19:33] <geser> ari-tczew: using -Wl,--no-as-needed should be IMHO only be a last effort
[19:35] <ari-tczew> geser: I can't find any lib related to ftbfs message
[19:37] <geser> which package is this?
[19:37] <ari-tczew> likewise-open
[19:37] <geser> if --no-as-needed works than the link order needs to get fixed
[19:39] <ari-tczew> geser: as I wrote above: Makefile.am:109: linker flags such as `-Wl,--no-as-needed' belong in `src_liblwmsg_la_LDFLAGS
[19:39] <ari-tczew> so it doesn't work
[19:40] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: that's not that it doesn't help you, it's that you were using it wrong :)
[19:40] <tumbleweed> but yes as geser said, --no-as-needed isn't the preferred solution
[19:52] <Raydiation> when is feature freeze?
[19:54] <geser> Feb 24th
[19:54] <Raydiation> ty
[19:55] <kklimonda> nhandler: soren: could one of you accept my email to ubuntu-motu? It got sent from a wrong account.
[20:18] <soren> kklimonda: Done.
[20:18] <YokoZar> ScottK: kees is right, and you can blame him for that particular error ;)
[20:18] <soren> kklimonda: I also approved one to ubuntu-server@
[20:19] <YokoZar> Although I'm unsure of its future in wine1.3 as there is dosbox integration going on (albeit not a complete sort yet)
[20:19] <kees> YokoZar: it might be nice to update that error to hint to the dpkg-reconfigure command
[20:19] <YokoZar> hmm, I suppose
[20:23] <ScottK> Good idea.
[20:24] <kklimonda> soren: thanks
[21:13] <bcurtiswx> if i edit a file outside of quilt, is there any way i can get quilt to catch those changes and add it to my topmost patch?
[21:14] <bcurtiswx> for those that don't dislike quilt ;)
[21:55] <geser> bcurtiswx: "quilt add $file" before you start editing and later "quilt refresh"
[21:55] <bcurtiswx> geser, i meant after i edited the file.. did a bzr diff and added that to a patch.  Thx though :)
[22:03] <mikeyeates> Hi all, I am having real trouble trying to build a deb with a bunch of php files in it.  Are there any examples of building a deb without any compiling?  I am just trying to copy the files in the dist tarball to /usr/lib/mypackage
[22:03] <micahg> mikeyeates: zend-framework
[22:11] <mikeyeates> Thanks micahg Ill have a look at it
[22:12] <azeem> mikeyeates: you should copy them to the usual staging directory (debian/tmp or debian/mypackage), not /usr/lib/mypackage directly
[22:12] <azeem> in case you tried that
[23:23] <mikeyeates> I tried copying the rules and Makefile files from zend-framework but I keep getting permission errors (the same type as when I was trying from scratch)
[23:23] <mikeyeates> /usr/bin/make install-framework DESTDIR=/home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1/debian/cogs-framework
[23:23] <mikeyeates> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1'
[23:23] <mikeyeates> install -d -o www-data -m 755 /home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1/debian/cogs-framework/usr/share/php/cogs-framework/
[23:23] <mikeyeates> install: cannot change owner and permissions of `/home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1/debian/cogs-framework/usr/share/php/cogs-framework/': Permission denied
[23:23] <mikeyeates> make[1]: *** [install-framework] Error 1
[23:23] <mikeyeates> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1'
[23:23] <mikeyeates> make: *** [install] Error 2
[23:23] <mikeyeates> dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
[23:23] <mikeyeates> This must be something simple, does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
[23:24] <soren> mikeyeates: Who owns /home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1/debian/cogs-framework/usr/share/php/cogs-framework/ ?
[23:25] <mikeyeates> mike
[23:25] <mikeyeates> all operations are done under my user
[23:26] <mikeyeates> it is chmod 700 though, but I didnt make that directory
[23:31] <Tobu> do you have a www-data user?
[23:33] <mikeyeates> yep
[23:33] <Tobu> huh
[23:33] <mikeyeates> I thought it was all done under the fakeroot program which should mean it works?
[23:34] <Tobu> If you use fakeroot debian/rules or debuild, anyway
[23:34] <mikeyeates> I am using debuild
[23:37] <mikeyeates> even sudo debian/rules binary fails in the same way
[23:39] <mikeyeates> sudo install -d -o www-data -m 755 /home/mike/speedy/releases/cogs-framework-0.9.1/debian/cogs-framework/usr/share/php/cogs-framework/
[23:39] <mikeyeates> even that does not work
[23:41] <Tobu> Try sudo strace -f install …etc
[23:43] <mikeyeates> This looks like the relavent part
[23:43] <mikeyeates> mkdir("cogs-framework/", 0700)          = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
[23:43] <mikeyeates> open("cogs-framework/", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY) = 3
[23:43] <mikeyeates> fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0700, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
[23:43] <mikeyeates> fchown(3, 33,<PHONE_NUMBER>)               = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[23:47] <Tobu> EACCESS and not EPERM, strange
[23:47] <Tobu> anyway, clean up the whole mess if you can
[23:48] <mikeyeates> I just had a thought... I am doing this in a virtual machine with the source directory ssh mounted from the desktop machine, maybe that is borking it?
[23:48] <mikeyeates> ill try from the desktop
[23:48] <Tobu> oh yeah, fuse would be denying permission to root
[23:49] <Tobu> to prevent normal users from showing root strange stuff, like setuid files and devices
[23:49] <mikeyeates> thanks for your help..
[23:49] <Tobu> :)


[07:33] <WOLFEYES> Morning all.
[08:17] <inetpro> good morning WOLF[tab] and all others
[09:05] <charlvn> hi inetpro
[09:05] <inetpro> heh charlvn
[09:05] <inetpro> gaan goed en daar?
[09:06] <charlvn> lekker
[09:06] <Kerbero> :D
[09:06] <charlvn> ek sit en knoei met orakle
[09:07] <inetpro> eish!
[09:07] <charlvn> so daar is veel knoppkes om te draai
[09:08] <inetpro> klink vir my na te veel tentakels
[14:29] <charlvn> irc meeting 16 april... that is past already :P
[17:27] <superfly> evening Mezenir
[17:27] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[17:27] <Mezenir> how goes
[17:27] <superfly> Mezenir: busy, but good, and you?
[17:28] <Mezenir> likewise
[17:28] <Mezenir> looking at some crypto lectures from those online stanford courses
[17:28] <Mezenir> pretty interesting
[17:28] <superfly> Hrm, that sounds interesting
[17:29] <Mezenir> the course is over
[17:29] <Mezenir> but im still looking at the lectures
[17:29] <Mezenir> when i find time
[17:29] <Mezenir> or desire
[17:29] <Mezenir> :)
[18:07] <Kilos> hiya superfly and all you other peeps
[18:08] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[18:14] <Mezenir>  hey kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> yo Mezenir
[18:14] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[18:14] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:14] <psydroid> hi Mezenir
[18:17] <Mezenir> hi psydroid
[18:22] <Banlam> this could get out of hand
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Kilos> hi Banlam
[18:24] <Banlam> good evening Kilos, and everyone else
[18:29] <Kilos> hi there cocooncrash all good in the states
[18:29] <Kilos> ?
[18:30] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Yup, went on a trip to Seattle this weekend which was cool
[18:30] <Kilos> good
[18:30] <Kilos> can only you fix maaz if he has a tail?
[18:33] <cocooncrash> Kilos: drubin has admin rights
[18:34] <Kilos> aw he is like a lost sheep. very seldom online. but not a prob ty. he makes just as good coffee with a tail
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <Mezenir> nite all
[18:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:46] <Banlam> not even 9PM
[18:46] <Kilos> lol he is older than me
[18:46] <Kilos> musta had a hard day
[19:02] <charlvn> good evening all
[19:02] <charlvn> superfly: in case you haven't seen it already, you might find this interesting: http://annevankesteren.nl/2012/04/prefixes
[19:02] <Kilos> hi there charlvn
[19:02] <charlvn> relevant to our discussion from yesterday re web standards
[19:02] <charlvn> hey kilos, how's it going
[19:02] <Kilos> good ty and you charlvn ?
[19:02] <charlvn> yeah very good thanks
[19:05]  * superfly doesn't do much web development anymore and is glad about it
[19:08] <Squirm> evening
[19:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn Squirm
[19:09] <drubin> Kilos: Sorry :) I am online some times.
[19:09] <drubin> Just been busy with things and stuff
[19:10] <Kilos> lol hi there drubin nice to see you still maintaining
[19:11] <Kilos> dont be sorry. a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do
[19:15] <magespawn> Howdy all
[19:15] <drubin> Kilos: :) hehe thanks
[19:16] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[19:17] <magespawn> Hopefully I can stay this time
[19:17] <Kilos> hehe
[19:17] <Kilos> you on that fone goodie?
[19:18] <magespawn> Yup
[19:19] <Kilos> time to take a pc home. fones suck
[19:19] <magespawn> They use a lot less data
[19:19] <Kilos> oh yes
[19:23] <Kilos> get your wireless working man
[19:23] <magespawn> Yes Oom.
[19:23] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:25] <nuvolari> o/
[19:25] <nuvolari> hi oom kilos!
[19:25] <nuvolari> vang ek oom vanaand voor oom waai :>
[19:28] <magespawn> Yup both of us tonight
[19:29] <Kilos> naand nuvolari  hoe gaan dit daar
[19:31] <nuvolari> dit gaan okei dankie oom
[19:31] <Kilos> mooi
[19:31] <nuvolari> vodacom probleme weer die laaste ruk :<(
[19:31] <Kilos> eish
[19:32] <nuvolari> moet elke nou en dan weer connect
[19:32] <Kilos> hulle kom weg met moord die vente
[19:33] <nuvolari> ja oom
[19:33] <nuvolari> en hulle probeer se die fout is by my
[19:33] <Kilos> epos hulle CEO dan maak hulle gou reg
[19:34] <Kilos> lol ja hulle het tot vir my al gese dis my foon en modem wat voutief is maar toe ek die ceo gepos het het hulle uitgekom en kom check
[19:34] <nuvolari> het hulle toe oom?
[19:35] <nuvolari> ek meen, wat is die kans dat 3 devices foutief raak op dieselfde tyd, en dan weer begin werk op dieselfde tyd?
[19:35] <Kilos> ja hulle was n week later hier met twee lappies en eie modems en toe maak hulle als reg en sien self die fout was by die toring
[19:35] <magespawn> They do that occasionally
[19:36] <Kilos> jy moet in jou pos se dit kannie drie foutiewe devices wees nie
[19:36] <Kilos> thier first move is blame your exuipment
[19:36] <Kilos> their
[19:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:36] <Kilos> equipment
[19:37]  * nuvolari wou eers sy bril blameer...
[19:37] <Kilos> hehe
[19:37] <nuvolari> ai, ek gaan inkruip. werk hard nou dat my ma-hulle terug is
[19:37] <nuvolari> en die werk is stresvol :(
[19:37] <Kilos> lekker slaap seun
[19:38] <Kilos> ai
[19:38] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos, oom moet ook lekker slaap :)
[19:38] <Kilos> dankie
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe read this
[19:43] <Kilos> Painful Precise Paingolin.
[19:43] <Kilos> one unhappy custommer
[19:45] <magespawn> Read what?
[19:45] <Kilos> painful precise pangolin
[19:45] <Kilos> upgrades seem to be hurting peeps with printers etc
[19:46] <magespawn> Have not tri3d yet
[19:46] <Kilos> just on our lists quite a few guys are crying
[19:47] <Kilos> i can understand Jan battling he isnt very geeky but learned lots with lucid
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: good evening
[19:48] <inetpro> good evening everyone else
[19:48] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[19:48] <Kilos> night owl
[19:48] <inetpro> have I missed anything?
[19:49] <Kilos> na
[19:49] <Kilos> nothing much
[19:49] <Kilos> are myou running 12.04 yet inetpro ?
[19:49] <Kilos> you
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, kubuntu
[19:49] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: before you go, when is our next meeting?
[19:50] <Kilos> all well with the family inetpro ?
[19:50] <Kilos> still 2 weeks
[19:51] <Kilos> no sorry 1
[19:51] <inetpro> ahh, ok
[19:51]  * inetpro should ask morgs or other ops guys to give me ops again
[19:51] <inetpro> so I can change the topic
[19:52] <Kilos> surely it will be on the 21st
[19:52] <Kilos> thats the third monday
[19:52] <inetpro> who's chairing the meetings?
[19:52] <Kilos> ask drubin  inetpro
[19:52] <Kilos> the monkey i think he hasnt given up yet i think
[19:52] <Banlam> i'm sure maia will pop in at the last minute :P
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: please remind me/us tomorrow
[19:53] <Kilos> even the crash kid is here now you can ask him too inetpro
[19:53] <inetpro> guess we should start warning peeps about the meeting
[19:54] <Kilos> still a long way to the 21st
[19:54]  * inetpro was watching the UDS keynote speech earlier this evening
[19:55] <inetpro> very interesting stuff mentioned by sabdfl
[19:55] <inetpro> anyone here at UDS?
[19:55] <inetpro> highvoltage, tumbleweed: you guys attending?
[19:55] <inetpro> sounds like we're living in exciting times
[19:56] <inetpro> thanks drubin
[19:56] <inetpro> now are we sure about the date?
[19:56] <drubin> inetpro: I can op you but I can't change the channel mode, only morgs/highvoltage can do that
[19:56]  * inetpro goes to find the ubuntu-za calendar
[19:58] <inetpro> drubin:  is it Mon, 21 May, 19:30 - 21:00 ?
[19:58] <Banlam> that's a long meeting
[20:00] <superfly> Banlam: we try not to spend more than an hour, but typically people continue chatting for a while afterward
[20:01] <Banlam> :)
[20:01] <inetpro> Banlam: I just put the start time
[20:01] <Banlam> I'm just kidding, I know
[20:01] <inetpro> hope charlvn will be happy now
[20:03] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: good night
[20:13] <inetpro> sdehaan: wb
[20:21] <sdehaan> inetpro: thanks
[20:22] <inetpro> sdehaan: how's it going there?
[20:24] <sdehaan> I'm fine thanks, yourself?
[20:25] <inetpro> also good here thanks
[21:04] <tumbleweed> inetpro: yeah, you can probably see the back of my head in that video.
[21:04] <inetpro> tumbleweed: hmm... enjoy it!
[21:07] <superfly> morning tumbleweed ;-)
[21:07] <inetpro> tumbleweed: that Calxeda ARM server looks very interesting
[21:07] <tumbleweed> superfly: we've just had lunch :)
[21:07] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I want one
[21:08] <inetpro> tumbleweed: +1
[21:09] <inetpro> mind boggling stuff
[21:10] <tumbleweed> it was announced last UDS. We just haven't seen them until now
[21:11] <inetpro> tumbleweed: so anything else that you have found interesting so far?
[21:12] <tumbleweed> well, the X people are talking about running a wayland from boot, with X on top
[21:13] <inetpro> cool
[21:13] <inetpro> about time we see some movement there :-)
[21:15] <inetpro> looks like there's way to many sessions you can attend at the same time
[21:15] <inetpro> how do you choose?
[21:16] <tumbleweed> you pick sessions you are interested in, and the autoschedular tries to make it happen
[21:16] <superfly> Maaz: tumbleweed++ [ helping out a packaging n00b ]
[21:16] <tumbleweed> more practically, you mark youself essential if the session shouldn't happen without you
[21:16] <superfly> Maaz: tumbleweed++ [ being extremely patient ]
[21:16] <tumbleweed> superfly: np
[21:17] <superfly> Maaz: tumbleweed++ [ and willing to explain everything ]
[21:17]  * superfly will have to take tumbleweed out for dinner or something to pay him back for all the help
[21:18] <inetpro> superfly: I hope you will capture it in your blog
[21:18] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, I'll try to remember it all and write it up
[21:19] <inetpro> Maaz: superfly++ [sharing valuable info tranparently on a regular basis]
[21:20] <inetpro> transparently*
[21:20] <superfly> not so regular, but happy to share
[21:21] <inetpro> superfly: even just talking about it in here is sharing
[21:22] <inetpro> but a blog is just so much better for reference purposes
[21:22] <superfly> *nod* that it is
[21:23] <inetpro> hmm.... where did the time go?
[21:24] <inetpro> good night
[21:43] <tumbleweed> w00t, highvoltage is giving a plenary session
[21:44] <superfly> go highvoltage!
[21:45] <superfly> tumbleweed: I've just pushed a revision for the copyright file... can you take a quick look?
[21:47] <tumbleweed> superfly: seems fine. /me plays with the pkg
[21:47] <superfly> ta
[21:48] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I was really nervous, I don't really know how it went but I'll have to check the video to know for sure
[21:48] <highvoltage> (I was so nervous I could shit myself!)
[21:49] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: it was great :)
[21:49] <tumbleweed> I hope heard us all cheering you :P
[21:49] <superfly> is there somewhere I can watch/download videos after-the-fact?
[21:50] <tumbleweed> theyp'll probably be up on youtube / blip.tv
[21:50]  * superfly will keep an eye out for them
[21:50] <superfly> well, time for me to crawl under the covers
[21:50] <superfly> night all
[21:51] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I did. you ftw :)
[23:40] <Speke> hey hey