[05:44] <nomasteryoda> unless you are resizing win98
[05:44] <MagicFab> No, the win98 will stay intact
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> then don't defrag
[05:44] <punkass> like rc.local or something
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> linux does not need that
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> punk
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:45] <punkass> but there is no rc.local
[05:45] <odinson> later
[05:46] <MagicFab> I already have Mdk10 setup
[05:47] <MagicFab> can I use the existing swap partition ?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> let Ubuntu format the swap
[05:47] <MagicFab> Will I have to creat 3 new partitions (including swap) to use Ubuntu ?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> no
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> you can "share" the swap
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> hey, there's my Gnoppix_warty login
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:48] <MagicFab> For example, if I resize my current /home, can I creat 2 new partitions (Ubuntu root and Ubunto /home) and share the existing swap ?
[05:48] <humprinch> anyone know how to stop my laptop fan from turning on so much?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: you could
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> if wanted
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> for transient distros I let them keep home under /
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> on same partition as /
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> transient here meaning testing
[05:49] <MagicFab> not sure what you mean
[05:49] <MagicFab> for "testing" distros ?
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:50] <kapputu> ubuntu is very slow on ext3
[05:50] <MagicFab> too used to creating 3 everytime
[05:50] <kapputu> with a 500 MB swap
[05:50] <MagicFab> good point
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> you do not need to have a separate home partition
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> unless you want
[05:50] <MagicFab> so in theory I could use thexisting swap, and only create 1 new partition to host both / and /home together
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> works for me
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> i have some 2GB drives
[05:50] <MagicFab> we'll see :)
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> with Ubuntu
[05:50] <kougar_DVB> Anyone know why xchat in ubuntu doesn't save my server additions or changes. I have to retype them in everytime I restart xchat :( /msg me if you can help
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> only / and /swap
[05:51] <MagicFab> kougar_DVB>  did u search in the forums ?
[05:51] <kougar_DVB> yeah I been looking
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: I have Suse, Mdk10.1, WinXP, Slack10, and Ubuntu on my laptop
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> all bootable
[05:52] <MagicFab> what's your boot manager ?
[05:52] <GotD0t> kapputu: hows it seem so slow?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> grub
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> ... from Ubuntu
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> it is very good at seeing the other distros
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> and adding them ...automagically
[05:53] <GotD0t> i love that word
[05:53] <MagicFab> Do you think Grub will recognize my Win98 & Mdk10 if I have it replace my current boot manager ?
[05:58] <punkass> man the debian room is a vicious place
[05:58] <GotD0t> really?
[05:58] <punkass> i just ask one question and some ass starts raggin' on me cuz i am using ubuntu and not debian and they are totally different
[05:58] <kapputu> where is the kernel source installed ?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: what order are your partitions?
[05:58] <kapputu> I mean the path
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> aren't they under /usr/src/Linux
[05:58] <MagicFab> 1-win98 2-/ 3-home 4-swap
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: cool
[05:59] <MagicFab> nomasteryoda> tx. for taking this time
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> i do it on our lug group most nights
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> helps me too
[05:59] <kapputu> i tried to install cisco vpn client
[05:59] <kapputu> but I get an error
[06:00] <kapputu> ok how do I install the kernel source
[06:00] <xskoulax> sup people?
[06:00] <GotD0t> hi
[06:00] <kapputu> ok how do I install the kernel source
[06:01] <TpyoKnig> .
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> kapputu: apt-get install kernel-source ?
[06:01] <x43> other than monarch computers is there another place that sells linux certified opteron boxes ?  they had one that started around $650 but as it is preconfigured in the options it came out to alot more.
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> er, i'm sure
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> there is
[06:02] <kapputu> i guess it's linux-headers
[06:08] <rcc> join #gluch
[06:08] <Gmail> can i use some of hoary's package already?
[06:08] <kapputu> hey ppl
[06:09] <Gmail> rcc: is a spammer
[06:09] <kapputu> I'm getting an error trying to install vpnclient
[06:10] <GotD0t> really gmail, you figured that out all by yourself?
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is being merged but is NOT ready for use yet
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> in the topic
[06:11] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: i know
[06:12] <Gmail> but some package should be ready
[06:14] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: no
[06:15] <mdz> kapputu: linux-headers-`uname-r`; it's in the FAQ
[06:15] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: why?
[06:16] <GotD0t> because he said so
[06:16] <Gmail> i am talking about one app
[06:16] <GotD0t> which
[06:16] <Gmail> xchat 2.4
[06:16] <Gmail> if its complete it should work
[06:16] <Gmail> well at lest from source
[06:16] <kapputu> yep got that
[06:17] <kapputu> mdz I need some help
[06:18] <kapputu> I get an error in insmod saying that -l is an invalid format
[06:18] <kapputu> it's not inserting a module I installed
[06:18] <TheMuso> Gmail: Fetch the source package from Deiban unstable sources and rebuild.
[06:18] <blahrus> anyone know how to get rar installed on x86-64
[06:18] <TheMuso> Debian
[06:19] <Gmail> TheMuso: ok
[06:19] <Gmail> so i'll add it to my sources.list and use apt-src
[06:20] <nathanieldelaney> hey.  my friends windows xp box has been ravaged by many users and is now so bad that he wants to reinstall, and he also wants to install ubuntu next to it.  what's the best strategy for installing both OSes to work together
[06:20] <GotD0t> XP first
[06:20] <GotD0t> otherwise it wont work
[06:21] <defendguin> is anyone using NetworkManager?
[06:21] <defendguin> thom@conical?
[06:21] <nathanieldelaney> (every time i install linux next to xp, something gets screwed up.  at the moment im trying to get hal.dll reisntalled on windows)
[06:21] <nathanieldelaney> xp first chronologicially or xp at the beginning of the drive?
[06:21] <Gmail> nathanieldelaney: why not forget about xp
[06:21] <GotD0t> afaik, windows wont work if its not the first thing on the drive
[06:21] <Gmail> and just use ubuntu
[06:21] <GotD0t> gmail: why not leave your comments to yourself
[06:21] <nathanieldelaney> I might do that myself
[06:21] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: it will work to do ubuntu first :P  just have to rerun grub :)
[06:22] <nathanieldelaney> but my friend is stuck on xp
[06:22] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: install windows first, on the first partition
[06:22] <nathanieldelaney> k
[06:22] <GotD0t> exactly
[06:22] <Gmail> i say install ubuntu get (what its name vm-ware?) and run win xp under linux
[06:22] <bur[n] er> rerunning grub isn't too hard with the live cd... but yeah.. i'll shut up... for newbs... install xp, then linux
[06:22] <GotD0t> bur[n] er from what i understand windows wont run if its not on the first partition
[06:22] <bur[n] er> vmware isn't free
[06:23] <bur[n] er> there are free trials.. but that sucks
[06:23] <Gmail> its a lot more fun having not have to reboot to get into linux or xp
[06:23] <bur[n] er> and qemu is slow :\
[06:23] <Gmail> bur[n] er: there is a cheap one i here like $15
[06:23] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: works for me on another partition
[06:23] <nathanieldelaney> I would like to have xp because my college class registration has hangups in ubuntu - its optimized for ie
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Gmail: free is a lot better than $15
[06:24] <bur[n] er> save $15 and reboot is a better option for me
[06:24] <nathanieldelaney> and macromeida authorware, my school's teaching tool, isnt available for linus
[06:24] <nathanieldelaney> x*
[06:24] <GotD0t> bur[n] er really? either you're very lucky or they changed it
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: on the contrary
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> I have Windows 2k on my 3rd HD
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ... boots fine
[06:24] <nathanieldelaney> he's talking partitions
[06:24] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: i've always run it this way... maybe it's a grub/lilo thing?  or an autodetect thing that messes up?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> using lilo to do the boot
[06:25] <Gmail> and linux is way better than xp and is free
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> works the same...mostly
[06:25] <bur[n] er> linux is way better than xp?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Gmail: certainly is better than XP
[06:25] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: i would suggest a fat32 partition also so you have someway of sharing stuff on linux and windows
[06:25] <Gmail> i rather save $200 and run a better os
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> nathanieldelaney: go out and buy crossoveroffice
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> then install IE
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> for that
[06:25] <GotD0t> gmail: we heard you the first time... but some people cant do that
[06:25] <kapputu> hi
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> it's worth the $40
[06:26] <kapputu> anyone got experience with Cisco VPN client ?
[06:26] <bur[n] er> s/in/if
[06:26] <Gmail> linux to winblows is like choc to poo
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:26] <bur[n] er> kapputu: on windows sure... not linux
[06:26] <xskoulax> bur[n] er:  linux is superior, but its only better if you can do everything you need to do on it, if you need macromedia authorware xp is better;)
[06:26] <bur[n] er> to each their own with regard to OS
[06:26] <bur[n] er> or if you need outlook :\
[06:26] <GotD0t> heh
[06:26] <lifeless> Gmail: you have chocolate poo?
[06:27] <bur[n] er> that's my issue... only reason i have xp on my laptop
[06:27] <bur[n] er> otherwise all 4 of my boxes would be linux
[06:27] <xskoulax> outlook yuck
[06:27] <bur[n] er> xskoulax: tell me about it :\
[06:27] <Cube-ness> nobody needs macromedia authorware
[06:27] <bur[n] er> i have to use it
[06:27] <geppy> Doesn't Macromedia stuff run through WINE?
[06:28] <bur[n] er> geppy: through crossover office i think... but not wine iirc
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> whats wine?
[06:28] <bur[n] er> wine is not an emulator
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> (the flash plugin works, but not the authorware plugin)
[06:28] <GotD0t> wine is not an emulator
[06:28] <GotD0t> heh
[06:28] <bur[n] er> heh :)
[06:28] <Cube-ness> schools that force people into any specific os shoul dbe ignored.. hehe
[06:28] <GotD0t> beat ya that time
[06:28] <bur[n] er> whoa... gettin scary now
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> k...
[06:28] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: wine acts like a translator for windows programs
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> so by definition, wine is everything that cannot be defined as an emulator
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> ah
[06:28] <nathanieldelaney> is wine free?
[06:28] <xskoulax> allowing some to run on linux boxes
[06:29] <Gmail> lifeless: i said linux compard to winblows is like choc comparted to poo
[06:29] <nathanieldelaney> as in price free?
[06:29] <bur[n] er> nathanieldelaney: wine starcraft.exe and it works
[06:29] <nathanieldelaney> lol
[06:29] <bur[n] er> nathanieldelaney: wine is free... crossover office... (commercial version) is not but it runs more stuff
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> nathanieldelaney: yes
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> i have run both
[06:29] <bur[n] er> and "cedega" (formerly WineX) is not free either (commercial for gaming)
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> and the commercial product is far superior
[06:29] <bur[n] er> definately
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> i have my Macromedia MX
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> and Office 2003
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> installed on it
[06:30] <bur[n] er> wine will run like 'sol.exe' (solitaire) but it has issues with say quickbooks
[06:30] <nathanieldelaney> on wine?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> no
[06:30] <nathanieldelaney> oh
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> crossover
[06:30] <bur[n] er> nomasteryoda: any luck with outlook 2003?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> use it at work
[06:30] <bur[n] er> everything work?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> seems to
[06:30] <geppy> Cedega works well with some things, but it's absolute crap with the rest (I spend almost all of my time in #Cedega... argh, that's  a frustrating channel).  =)
[06:30] <geppy> Why would anyone, anywhere, ever want to run outlook?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> geppy: my sentiments
[06:30] <bur[n] er> could i forward an outlook calendar event to you and see if it works?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> or sediments
[06:31] <nathanieldelaney> seriously
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> exacty
[06:31] <geppy> hahaha
[06:31] <bur[n] er> it's the one reason i keep windows
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i have windows on another box
[06:31] <bur[n] er> geppy: see above :\
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> for video processing
[06:31] <geppy> Do you enjoy virii?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> win2k
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> who, me?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> never get them
[06:31] <bur[n] er> geppy: virii can come on any os... and a machine is only as secure as its admin
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i keep US DOD grade Norton AV on it
[06:31] <geppy> wtf
[06:31] <geppy> Outlook can't be secured.
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> and do not...DO not Surf the web with it
[06:31] <geppy> Period.
[06:32] <geppy> hahaha
[06:32] <Cube-ness> did that line just say "blah blah blahbity blah blah"?
[06:32] <bur[n] er> no?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> geppy...
[06:32] <bur[n] er> i've NEVER had a windows virus
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:32] <bur[n] er> i use it day in and day out
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: you surf safely
[06:32] <bur[n] er> so quit spoutin FUD... even if it's against the bad guys ;)
[06:32] <geppy> hahaha
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> I don't give a flying frig about viruses
[06:32] <Cube-ness> "blah blah secure as admin bla blah"
[06:32] <nathanieldelaney> ive had windows browser hijacked, but never a virus
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> using windows = pain
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> it's terribly inflexible.
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: if you know what you are doing, then any OS can be secured...
[06:32] <geppy> I highly doubt that any Windows user in existence has never had a virus.
[06:32] <bur[n] er> using windows w/firefox == ok ;)
[06:33] <geppy> As in, I'm 100% sure that that's not sure.
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the story
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> ive never had a virus
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: and Gimp
[06:33] <geppy> Outlook is not an OS,.
[06:33] <bur[n] er> and openoffice
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> my dad did when I was 15ish
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> OUTLOOK SUCKS
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> which was 4 years ago
[06:33] <x43> windows always breaks though.  reinstall every 1-2 months.  something just stops working like its supposed to
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> granularity of mbox format is far superior
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> not is you use spywareSD
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> x43: yes
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: new outlook is not so bad
[06:33] <nathanieldelaney> some open source guru had compassion on windows users
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: outlook 2000 and below is a terrible travesty
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: yea, i have to use it too
[06:34] <bur[n] er> new outlook has great spam filtering
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: er, no it doens't
[06:34] <bur[n] er> no?
[06:34] <bur[n] er> works well for me
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> i use SpamBayes
[06:34] <Cube-ness> the thing is.. most people that make a$$es of themselves defending MS Windows are really just in love with an app or two, and likely spend 95% of their computing time in those apps.. so its the apps they like
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> make it even better
[06:34] <bur[n] er> hrm... i dont' get that much spam ;)
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> Cube-ness: true
[06:35] <Cube-ness> not 'the plethora of apps'.. just 'a couple key apps'
[06:35] <GotD0t> realyl?
[06:35] <GotD0t> i heard the wireless networking utility was utter crap
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> like Macromedia Dreamweaver
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> got to have that
[06:35] <bur[n] er> and windows' firefox openoffice, gaim, gimp, and xchat ;)
[06:35] <geppy> XP's net connect in the systray is nice.
[06:35] <GotD0t> as in... it keeps dropping the connection
[06:35] <geppy> That's all that I really like about Windows.
[06:35] <Cube-ness> i wouldnt use dreamweaver. hehe..
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> geppy, you mean like in Mandrake 10.1
[06:36] <GotD0t> but i wouldnt know... as im wired to my router
[06:36] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: depends on the firmware of your router and card
[06:36] <GotD0t> oh
[06:36] <bur[n] er> mine's pretty solid
[06:36] <nathanieldelaney> most people like windows because they learned how to use it already
[06:36] <GotD0t> thats cool
[06:36] <bur[n] er> back to ubuntu... anyone get gparted to work with it yet?
[06:36] <geppy> adoyretsamon:  Haven't used Mandrake 10.1.  What're you referring to?
[06:36] <xskoulax> nathanieldelaney: that hits it right on the head
[06:36] <bur[n] er> by using libgcc1 1.4 from experimental?
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> the tray icon
[06:36] <nathanieldelaney> yep
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> for networking
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> works great
[06:37] <nathanieldelaney> if it werent for the huge market share, windows would be in the garbage can
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> geppy, someone called me a distro tester just today
[06:37] <bur[n] er> mandrake based on kde or gnome?
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> kde
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> but gnome is there too
[06:37] <nathanieldelaney> why did the first mass distributed os have to be Quick and Dirty OS?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> i like kde's lil networking applet
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> nathanieldelaney, lol
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, yea that had another name
[06:38] <geppy> adoyretsamon:  heh
[06:39] <nathanieldelaney> is that a joke name?
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> before kde integrated it
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> no
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> thinking
[06:39] <bur[n] er> knemo ;)
[06:39] <nathanieldelaney> I heard it was actually called that first, because they had to slop it together for an ibm deadline or soemthing
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:39] <bur[n] er> i saw it on kde-apps, if that's what you're talking about
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> knemo
[06:39] <xskoulax> i like ubuntu's wireless, has my dlink dwl-650G working :D, took me a while to sort it out but i think thats more to do with me being a little dense;)
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> works nice
[06:39] <bur[n] er> i wish ubuntu would load my ipw2100 driver the right way
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> xskoulax: wireless is not all it's  cracked up to be...esp on winders
[06:39] <bur[n] er> i always have to rmmod it and modprobe it to make it work
[06:39] <bur[n] er> anyone else have this issue on a centrino?
[06:39] <bur[n] er> it's happened with with every linux distro i've tried
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> wish i had a centrino to worry about
[06:39] <Gmail> itjustworks.tm is going to boght for ubuntu if i raise enuff money
[06:39] <bur[n] er> and even when i compiled the ipw2100.sf.net project by hand
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:39] <GotD0t> i like my wired connection... never fails
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: lol
[06:40] <GotD0t> only configuration required is my IP and im solid
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> i like scrolling down my Synaptic to find packages to install...
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: mine's DHCP...
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> no config there
[06:40] <xskoulax> GotD0t: i like wired too, but its annoying to have wires all around when its not needed
[06:41] <xskoulax> and besides my laptop sits 5 feet from the wireless router
[06:41] <xskoulax> so connection is very good
[06:41] <GotD0t> well my router and cable modem are hooked up in my room... so having a wireless connection would be pointless
[06:41] <GotD0t> considering i use a desktop
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: mine too
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> desktop
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> =good
[06:41] <xskoulax> well yes wireless desktop is a concept that annoys me somewhat
[06:42] <bur[n] er> referring to topic... hoary is being merged... does that mean packages will show up in the ubuntu repository?  or is it a special seperate repo?
[06:42] <GotD0t> I could use DHCP, but i like always knowing which one which computer is assigned
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: i set my IPs per MAC in the router table
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> so they always get the same
[06:42] <GotD0t> hmm
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> using wrt54g hacked
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> and my wifi cards are set in there too
[06:43] <GotD0t> thats cool
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> yea... but of course the MACs could be sniffed
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> ... but makes me feel more secure
[06:44] <GotD0t> heh
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> or at least in control
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> WEP not enough for you?
[06:45] <GotD0t> haha
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> WEP can be hacked too
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> if anyone breaks into my wireless network, they deserve all the shitty 512k access they can get
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> esp since I'm on the 10th floor
[06:45] <geppy> hahaha
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> just setup a card to snarf the AP and you become the router/AP
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> grab the encrypted packets... and keys... and boom
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> WEP means crap
[06:46] <psyklops> ach! mein boxen belongen zu de hakencrakers
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> oh noes
[06:46] <psyklops> hey guys
[06:46] <GotD0t> haha
[06:46] <GotD0t> hows it going pysk
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> my megahutrz have been stoeled
[06:46] <GotD0t> oh no
[06:46] <psyklops> uh, I just ran chkrootkit and got some bad signs, but I can't be sure
[06:46] <GotD0t> what hurts?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> yea?
[06:47] <psyklops> it reports some hidden processors and a "possible LKM trojan"
[06:47] <Pizbit> psyklops: rkhunter too?
[06:47] <psyklops> processES
[06:47] <psyklops> nope... couldn't get rkhunter
[06:47] <Pizbit> psyklops: Ahh, there's some debian related stuff in there, google I did ti ages back
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> and the LKM ... i see that too
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> google it
[06:48] <thoreauputic> psyklops: chkrootkit has been known to report false positives (understatement)
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:48] <psyklops> I know...
[06:48] <psyklops> thats why I'm not sure
[06:48] <GotD0t> what is chkrootkit?
[06:48] <psyklops> I started getting suspicious earlier today though
[06:48] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: That must be why I've heard people say to try rkhunter too
[06:48] <psyklops> my processor was pegged at full usage at boot
[06:48] <Pizbit> o_O
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> ouchy...
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> sounds like a windows machine...
[06:48] <psyklops> it's stopped now though
[06:48] <GotD0t> haha
[06:49] <bur[n] er> wrt54g hacked????
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:49] <bur[n] er> different firmware?
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> let me get URL
[06:50] <ficusplanet> Is there anyway I can remove the About Ubuntu... and Help options from the menu?
[06:50] <geppy> What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> actually... nevermind... i have a wgr614 :\
[06:50] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Right-click + "Remove from Panel"
[06:50] <bur[n] er> gaim plugins?
[06:50] <GotD0t> question... whats the point of having the ability to look at digi photos on an MP3 player?
[06:50] <ficusplanet> geppy, You can't right click on the menu items I mentioned, unfortunately.
[06:50] <bur[n] er> geppy: you want one that isn't already there?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> GotD0t: selling point?
[06:51] <geppy> ficusplanet:   You sure?  It works for me.
[06:51] <Xip> I'm unable to right click on those two either
[06:51] <x43> i can't seem to get my printer to work
[06:51] <ficusplanet> One the Applications menu?
[06:51] <geppy> bur[n] er:  Erm, yeah.  Guifications, GAIM-XMMS-Remote, SmartEar...
[06:51] <ficusplanet> *On
[06:51] <GotD0t> bur[n] er no, i mean... what use would someone have... i mean who looks at pictures while listening to music... usually when im listening to my mp3 player im doing something other than staring at the player
[06:51] <geppy> ficusplanet: oh
[06:51] <thoreauputic> ficusplanet: why do you want to remove them, just out of interest?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er:
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> Firmware Version: Satori-4.0 v<IP_ADDRESS>sv
[06:51] <x43> i downloaded a PPD file driver for me lexmark all in one printer and no output to printer
[06:51] <geppy> ficusplanet:  hold on
[06:52] <ficusplanet> thoreauputic, Just to clean up the menu a bit.  I never use them.
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ficusplanet: ah, OK I see
[06:52] <bur[n] er> nomasteryoda: think it'd work on a wgr614?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> wouldn't  try it
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> they should have one for that model too
[06:53] <ficusplanet> If nothing else, I'd like to figure out how to change the icon of the About Ubuntu... because it is uglyifying my new Nuvola icons.
[06:53] <Pizbit> Yeah, you can't right-click on the primary menu
[06:53] <Pizbit> Only the sub-menus
[06:53] <geppy> ficusplanet:  I can't remember where, hold on a bit longer.
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er: well, maybe not...as it's a netgear
[06:53] <bur[n] er> yeah... i dunno
[06:53] <bur[n] er> i'm kinda weary to test it
[06:54] <Drel> What's the easiest way to install the flash plugin for firefox under Ubuntu? Is there a way to install it via apt-get?
[06:54] <bur[n] er> i want cool port mapping though... where i can have different internal ports to externals
[06:54] <GotD0t> how do you add a page counter to the top of each page in OO.org?
[06:54] <psyklops> rkhunter says I'm all clear
[06:54] <bur[n] er> doesn't ubuntu have .10 again?  or is it still reverted to .9.3?
[06:54] <geppy> Drel: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> geppy: thanks
[06:55] <Drel> geppy: Aha! Thanks. :)
[06:55] <geppy> ficusplanet:  It's somewhere in your .stuff, I think... I don'
[06:55] <geppy> t
[06:55] <geppy> know, I'm used to the RedHat setup, which is apparently different.
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> s/different/broken/
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> *cough*(
[06:56] <geppy> hahaha
[06:56] <geppy> Yeah, that's why I switched.  =)
[06:56] <geppy> Tons and tons of wasted time building RPMs for an apt repository, too.
[06:56] <Gmail> lol
[06:56] <Gmail> ^____________________________________________________________________________^
[06:57] <punkass> can anyone recommend a gui interface to wvdial...or for using a dialup modem?
[06:57] <geppy> What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?
[06:57] <ficusplanet> punkass, gnome-ppp or gnome-system-tools
[06:58] <punkass> well the build it gnome one..just doesnt seem to work
[06:58] <punkass> ill try gnome-ppp thanks
[06:58] <lifeless> punkass: gnome syste tools
[06:58] <Gmail> mirror.isp.net.au is emty
[06:58] <Gmail> not down
[06:59] <Gmail> browse it
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> empty =~ down
[06:59] <GotD0t> gmail: whatever happened to your repository?
[06:59] <Gmail> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/m/
[06:59] <Gmail> GotD0t: people want it?
[06:59] <GotD0t> i was joking
[06:59] <GotD0t> ;-)
[07:00] <geppy> When is GAIM 1.02 coming out for Ubuntu?
[07:00] <Gmail> i guess most people will swap to hoary
[07:00] <GotD0t> good question
[07:00] <Gmail> geppy in hoary
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> geppy, do you feel ignored?
[07:00] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  heh... =)
[07:00] <Gmail> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/m/manpages/
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: wait for a few days
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> then ask that question again
[07:00] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  haha... Alright.
[07:00] <geppy> In the meantime... Does anyone know how to install a GAIM plugin?  ;)
[07:01] <ficusplanet> geppy, from source?
[07:01] <GotD0t> check their site... they should have info bout it
[07:01] <stuNNed> is there large repo's for ubuntu?
[07:01] <ficusplanet> stuNNed, Yes.  12,000 pieces of software, roughly.
[07:01] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Alright.  Now, how do you do it without breaking Ubuntu?  :)
[07:02] <stuNNed> ficusplanet: thanks, is there a place on the web i can browse?
[07:02] <geppy> GotD0t:  I'm just rephrasing my question, "What's the preferred method for installing GAIM plugins on Ubuntu?"
[07:02] <punkass> ficusplanet: would it be better for me to use debians gnome=pp or build it from source?
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> stuNNed: just load up synaptic
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> and search the list
[07:02] <geppy> punkass:  debian's
[07:02] <stuNNed> nomasteryoda: whoa, ok
[07:02] <punkass> k
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> easy
[07:02] <ficusplanet> geppy, AFAIK, you have to rebuild gaim from source to build plugins becauce the headers don't seem to come with the Ubuntu packages.
[07:03] <geppy> ficusplanet:  They don't have a gaim-dev package, or anything cool like that?
[07:03] <ficusplanet> Nope.  I noticed that when I was trying to build nautilus-send-to
[07:03] <geppy> Speaking of which, where's a good place to go to learn how to build a .deb?  Any websites, or manpages?
[07:04] <ficusplanet> The debian site has some decent documentation on it.
[07:04] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Thanks.
[07:04] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Wait, nautilus-send-to is functional, now?
[07:04] <geppy> =D
[07:04] <ficusplanet> If you have the gaim-plugin, yes.  It's pretty nice.
[07:04] <geppy> heh, cool
[07:05] <ficusplanet> The only problem for me is the lack of AIM file transfers in Gaim.
[07:05] <geppy> ficusplanet:  AIM file transfer works.
[07:05] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Are you updated
[07:05] <ficusplanet> geppy, It has never worked for me.  Could that just be because I'm behind a router?
[07:06] <GotD0t> yea
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> need the port opened up
[07:06] <geppy> ficusplanet:   Possibly.  Are you blocking any ports?  GAIM's AIM file transfer works for me, and I'm behind a standard Lynksys router.
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> like dcc in irc
[07:06] <GotD0t> ficusplanet: you have to enable port forwarding to whatever the port is for file transfers
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> yup
[07:06] <ficusplanet> What port do I need to open?
[07:06] <GotD0t> that is a good question
[07:07] <GotD0t> ;-)
[07:07] <ficusplanet> I have forwarding set up for apache.
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/app_port_list.htm#Messaging
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> 0_0
[07:07] <geppy> ficusplanet:  from the AIM site: This may be due to the use of a firewall on your network.  A firewall is a security device on your  network to prevent potentially harmful data from coming in, and to prevent certain other data from going out.   Depending on how a firewall is configured, it may prevent AIM file transfer from working.  There is nothing AIM  can do to get around this, as it is just the feature of the firewall working as it shoul
[07:08] <geppy> Perhaps you can set it up in GAIM somewhere to use a different port.
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/app_port_list.htm#Messaging
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> geppy: look here for the port
[07:08] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  thanks
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> whole list of em
[07:08] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  That says AIM talk, not file transfer; they don't use the same, do they?
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> no, they don't
[07:10] <Gmail> ok i now the problem with mirror.isp.net.au just use ftp with them there ftp > http thing stuffed up
[07:10] <stuNNed> can ubuntu be used as a server?
[07:10] <geppy> stuNNed: Yes.
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes.
[07:11] <x43> ubantu is not communicating with my printer and i installed the drive in the PPD directory it suggested
[07:11] <stuNNed> geppy: HrdwrBoB, thanks
[07:11] <geppy> stuNNed: IF you want a server, though, go with standard Debian.  More stable, more secure.
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: and about 17 years old
[07:11] <stuNNed> geppy ok thanks
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> IMHO.. better off with ubuntu
[07:11] <x43> Debian is so hard to install though without a gui i dont have the experience to build from scratch
[07:11] <izaac> great! i got j2sdk1.3 working!
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> recent releases of software
[07:11] <geppy> x43:  Did you use the Printin GUI?
[07:11] <x43> i sure did
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> with security updates
[07:11] <x43> it prompted me for the location of the PPD file
[07:11] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Better off with Ubuntu for a desktop, agreed... for a server, different story, methinks.
[07:11] <x43> the only one on the system was .gz'ed
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: to run ANYTHING useful, you need to run at least testing
[07:12] <x43> so i ungz'ed it and selected it and it said it was already installed
[07:12] <geppy> x43: heh, didn't do that to me.  It wouldn't auto-detect your printer?  What kind of printer do you have?
[07:12] <x43> lexmark 1150 suggested drive 1100
[07:12] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Eh, if you're just running Apache and MySQL, though...
[07:12] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know how I can start a movie at a specific position in MPlayer?
[07:12] <geppy> x43:  I don't know what to say, sorry.
[07:13] <geppy> ficusplanet:  man mplayer
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: and a kernel built in the 60s
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> RTFM
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:13] <ficusplanet> geppy, I am RTFMing.  I can't find what I need, though.
[07:13] <x43> considering this opteron machine purchase
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> x43: opterons++
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> we're about to get a dual 242 system
[07:14] <x43> when will i see the benefits of the opteron processor under linux ?
[07:14] <geppy> ficusplanet:  I just said that'd be a good place to look, because I don't know.  Tried google?
[07:14] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  heh
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> x43: after you install it
[07:14] <geppy> How does one sign on as an Ubuntu packager?
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: #ubuntu-devel
[07:14] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> np
[07:15] <x43> so even a opteron 2800 is decent enough speedwise ?  my father has a xp 2800 and its a bit slow.
[07:15] <Cube-ness> slow? uh, slow at what?
[07:15] <x43> well
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> x43: an opteron 2800 is a next generation chip from the XP
[07:15] <Xip> And here I thought I was spoiled with my 1.3 Tbird
[07:16] <x43> its running windows so you never know.. its kind of meant to be slow overall in its desktop functionality
[07:16] <geppy> x43:  I have a 2500+, never had problems with it.  2800+ is anything but slow.
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> it will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster
[07:16] <geppy> x43: heh, yeah
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: it's not fast though
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> I have a 2800+ at home
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> ficusplanet: mplayer
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> ficusplanet: mplayer -chapter <chapter id>
[07:16] <nathanieldelaney> can I get wine with a package install or do I need to install some other way?
[07:16] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Oh?  I run Doom3 fine, as well as compiling whatnot, I've never had trouble with my trusty 2500+.  May not be the _fastest_, but it's _fast_.
[07:17] <Cube-ness> x43, the xp 2800 is not a slow cpu.. either your seeing things, or theres something very wrong
[07:17] <ficusplanet> nomasteryoda, No chapters.  It's just an avi.
[07:17] <x43> well its not terribly slow
[07:17] <jivera> Is there anything in the Ubuntu live cd that would restrict commercial retail?
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:17] <geppy> jivera:  No.
[07:17] <jivera> geppy: Thanks.
[07:17] <Zindar> nathanieldelaney: apt-get install wine if you have universe enabled
[07:17] <x43> but i want to know compared to an opteron 2800 running 64bit linux
[07:18] <geppy> Are there going to be updates between now and hoary?
[07:18] <Cube-ness> x43, unless your talking about compiling things or some such, you shouldnt even be able to really tell much "general" difference
[07:18] <geppy> Or are updates going to be done in bunches?
[07:19] <x43> i see so perhaps a standard mobile xp would be more cost efficient for my needs
[07:19] <geppy> Speaking of which, are there any Linux-capable gaming-worthy laptops out there?
[07:19] <x43> i can clock it at 2.4ghz using cooler
[07:19] <nathanieldelaney> zindar: thanks
[07:19] <Cube-ness> why bother?
[07:20] <Cube-ness> what is it you need all that power for anyway?
[07:20] <Cube-ness> heh
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> hey, power is everything
[07:20] <x43> well the processor is only $107
[07:21] <x43> the motherboard would be $25 used
[07:21] <Cube-ness> "man.. i can type my emails so much faster with this new cpu!"
[07:21] <x43> it supports sata
[07:21] <geppy> hahaha
[07:21] <GotD0t> "oh man, IRC messages show up 1/10th of a millisecond faster"
[07:22] <geppy> hahaha
[07:22] <GotD0t> I'm happy with my 1.8 ghz p4
[07:22] <geppy> Actually, due to monitor refresh rates, the message would show up at the same time.  The sound might be a little faster, though.  =)
[07:22] <x43> i have this complex from when i was a small kid in the 80's.  all my friends had faster computer and modems that i did.  i was always running things that were out of date.
[07:22] <GotD0t> haha
[07:23] <x43> remember when the price difference between 1200 baud modems and 2400 baud modems was greatly significant ?
[07:23] <Cube-ness> yeah. but nowadays, 'out of date' is still plenty for the vast majority of stuff
[07:23] <x43> i worked for a while month as kid just to get that 1200 baud modem
[07:23] <GotD0t> well... i wasnt around for the greater part of the 80's
[07:24] <x43> i guess in my mind i had considered -- what could i do with all that power ?
[07:24] <Cube-ness> x43, hehei had a 300baud modem for my c64.. never had another modem till i got my first x86 with a 33.8k modem
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Nostalgia for ed: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[07:24] <Cube-ness> 33.6..or whatever
[07:24] <geppy> I think I'm off to bed.
[07:24] <Pizbit> Cube-ness: You must have been blown away:)
[07:25] <x43> i was a bad boy in the 80's i had got into a ti994a user group and met up with this guy who had introduced me into to the dark side of the 80's computer generation.
[07:25] <GotD0t> haha
[07:25] <Cube-ness> Pizbit, hehe. yeah.. modem was great.  but the os sucked.  seemed the computer (p133) was no faster than my 7mhz amiga 500
[07:25] <GotD0t> oh, i was a bad boy in the 80's too... i was flinging gerber at my older siblings
[07:26] <x43> hehe
[07:26] <nathanieldelaney> lol
[07:26] <GotD0t> i miss the good old days
[07:26] <Cube-ness> in my head i was thinking "hmmm...7mhz, in amiga world, 133mhz must be like WOW!"
[07:26] <nathanieldelaney> i was a bad boy in the 80's.  I threw toy trucks at my brother
[07:26] <GotD0t> i learned how to use a computer on an apple II-e i believe
[07:27] <x43> yeah when i was in elementary school i got permission to skip recess and use the computer room with the apple 2e's
[07:27] <|progenic|> i'm starting from 386dx4
[07:27] <x43> every single day
[07:27] <Cube-ness> yeah.. me too
[07:27] <GotD0t> haha... and my little sister learned on a 1.1 ghz celeron
[07:27] <deFrysk> zx spectrum
[07:27] <x43> i'm mentally challenged too
[07:28] <|progenic|> at that time i still use windows 3.1
[07:28] <GotD0t> oh... we had the II-e in our garage
[07:28] <deFrysk> with data recorder
[07:28] <x43> yes i remember the model number of my ti cassette record rq2309a i'm now what -- 31 about to turn 32 and i still remember that ?
[07:28] <Cube-ness> my first computer was an apple IIc
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> geppy:
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> found it
[07:29] <Cube-ness> promplty got rid of it and bought a sweet c64 setup
[07:29] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  :)
[07:29] <GotD0t> ok... well i finished my essay on a movie i didnt watch... so im off to bed
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> mplayer -ss <time in seconds> avi
[07:29] <geppy> nomasteryoda: aw, cool
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> very cool
[07:29] <geppy> nomasteryoda:  Where did you find it?
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> in the MAN
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> man
[07:29] <geppy> heh
[07:29] <ficusplanet> nomasteryoda, Awesome.
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> did a /time
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> to find
[07:29] <ficusplanet> I've found another way, too.  EDL files.
[07:29] <x43> i have to stop watching movies even movies you would think would be so benign are causing me trauma
[07:29] <geppy> yeah
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> watching the Code
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> geppy: made me learn something
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> nite then
[07:30] <GotD0t> ok, night all
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> time for a bzflag game
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> mana
[07:30] <xskoulax> Dragon64, motorola mc6809E with a whopping 64K of RAM
[07:31] <x43> nite
[07:31] <xskoulax> gnite
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> glad i joined this group
[07:31] <adoyretsamoneh> and have gotten to know ubuntu
[07:31] <adoyretsamoneh> =)
[07:32] <x43> i think ubuntu was great promise for it
[07:32] <x43> amazingly it fits on 1 cd heh
[07:33] <GotD0t> i love it... i have very little work for school when im up all night due to insomnia... but as soon as it goes away i have to stay up till at least 1:30 doing work
[07:34] <geppy> haha
[07:34] <GotD0t> majorly sucks
[07:34] <spikeb> cool, gnoppix warty
[07:34] <GotD0t> ok, im gone for real
[07:34] <x43> i cannot go to school it would be too much for me
[07:34] <anarchiskas> Hello, I've intalled Ubuntu and there is always a black X on my screen... How could I solve it?
[07:34] <xskoulax> school was so much work
[07:35] <geppy> anarchiskas:  Can you explain in more detail?  Perhaps provide screenshots?
[07:35] <x43> i lack the math and logic skills to program so it seems i'm doomed to be a computer end user for life
[07:35] <geppy> hahaha
[07:35] <anarchiskas> Geppy... I'll try to explain better... because sometimes the black X disapear...
[07:35] <Cube-ness> you dont need math skills to code
[07:36] <GotD0t> well x43... im not really doing very high level schooling
[07:36] <x43> ok here is the next thing that comes to mind -- what could i possibly create that hasn't already been created ?
[07:36] <anarchiskas> Well, it? like a X mouse cursor, it's exactely at the screen center...
[07:36] <anarchiskas> I have a touch pad
[07:36] <geppy> x43:  integration?  evolution-GAIM, for instance
[07:36] <GotD0t> im only in my first year at a community college
[07:36] <skyrider> hi guys
[07:36] <GotD0t> or my junior year in highschool
[07:37] <GotD0t> choose your label
[07:37] <GotD0t> both fit me
[07:37] <skyrider> how can I register in the new wiki?
[07:37] <Cube-ness> x43, you start solving your own problems..
[07:37] <ficusplanet> geppy, evolution/gaim integration is already done.
[07:37] <skyrider> There is no 'Register' button
[07:37] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Not properly.
[07:37] <GotD0t> ok, dont talk to me
[07:37] <geppy> ficusplanet:  It's not really worth much.
[07:37] <GotD0t> haha. i need to sleep
[07:37] <GotD0t> bye
[07:37] <x43> nite
[07:37] <geppy> ficusplanet:  That _is_ something I want to contribute to.
[07:37] <geppy> g'night
[07:37] <mdz> anarchiskas: it's a hardware cursor problem; you can avoid it by disabling the hardware cursor in XF86Config-4
[07:38] <ficusplanet> geppy, check out galago
[07:38] <geppy> ficusplanet:  hahaha.... http://www.snowcrest.net/goehring/a2/primates/galago.htm
[07:38] <anarchiskas> Thanks a lot mdz!!! I'll try righ now
[07:38] <Cube-ness> x43, i never wanted to be a programmer.. but i was lazy, and wanted the computer to do some things it didnt do.  solved a couple problems.  a couple years later i make my living doing programming
[07:38] <geppy> I don't think that's what you want me to see.
[07:38] <spikeb> does the new gnoppix/ubuntu merged livecd still have an installer?
[07:38] <x43> did you have mentors or friends ?
[07:39] <geppy> ficusplanet:  Oh, thanks!  This is really cool.  =)
[07:41] <skyrider> Anybody knows how can I register in the new wiki (zWiki) on ubuntu site?
[07:42] <HrdwrBoB> skyrider: it's linked on the wiki...
[07:43] <skyrider> HrdwrBoB: where? I don't see it. Can you give me URL?
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[07:44] <anarchiskas> last question, I'd like to install kernel-686, should I do something more than download it from the synaptics?
[07:44] <skyrider> HrdwrBoB: but that is the old wiki
[07:45] <anarchiskas> is there an automatic way to reconfigure the kernel?
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> I know not
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> anarchiskas: I *think* it should automatically install
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> and set itself up
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> so install, reboot
[07:45] <spikeb> anarchiskas, if you download the kernel image and kernel modules, it'll do everything by itself
[07:46] <Drel> *wave* thanks for the help geppy
[07:46] <geppy> apt-get source kernel<info> && apt-get build-dep kernel<info> && apt-get build-dep kernel<info>
[07:46] <geppy> Drel:  No problem.  :)
[07:46] <geppy> I'm off to bed.  g'night, all
[07:47] <stuNNed> night geppy, thanks
[07:47] <anarchiskas> Thank you very much guys... Now I need to go and try the changes!!! see you and nite!
[07:48] <spikeb> i am going to try out this new release candidate of gnoppix-warty
[07:49] <x43> hoary not ready until december ?
[07:50] <ficusplanet> x43, Hoary is out in march
[07:50] <nathanieldelaney> how will hoary be different?
[07:51] <spikeb> nathanieldelaney, gnome 2.10, possible new installer, graphical bootup, new kernel....
[07:51] <nathanieldelaney> err... what will be the improvements?
[07:51] <spikeb> that's all i can think of
[07:51] <ficusplanet> GNOME 2.10, usplash, new package manager, mono(?)
[07:51] <nathanieldelaney> cool
[07:51] <spikeb> new package manager?
[07:51] <spikeb> what's this?
[07:51] <ficusplanet> It's on the hoary wiki page.  Apparently jdub and ross burton are working on it.
[07:52] <spikeb> ahh
[07:52] <spikeb> something better than synaptic
[07:52] <spikeb> heh
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> synaptic is .. non optimal
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> it works, but the UI is not simple
[07:53] <spikeb> HrdwrBoB, yeah
[07:53] <spikeb> once you know how to use it, it's alright, but it's not exactly intuitive
[07:53] <spikeb> heh
[07:53] <ficusplanet> Yeah, anything on that page could get pushed though.  They have a lot on there for only six months.
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> ficusplanet: welcome to rapid developmen
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> t
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> most of it will likely happen
[07:54] <ficusplanet> That would rock.
[07:54] <spikeb> i'm actually more interested in seeing how the GNOME dev team plans on going from 2.x to 3.0 in six months
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> there is quite a lot of people working on it
[07:54] <spikeb> i have a feeling they won't ;)
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> spikeb: that's just a versioning thing
[07:55] <ficusplanet> spikeb, the next version is 2.10.  And if time is needed when they go to 3.0 the schedule will just be longer.
[07:55] <spikeb> yeah
[07:55] <Android16> hello
[07:55] <jdub> actually, there are no plans at all for a GNOME 3.x any time soon
[07:56] <spikeb> jdub, good. 2.x isn't finished.
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> out of interest, what's happening wrt CD burning in gnome
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> is nautilus-cd-burner going to get lots of work
[07:56] <nathanieldelaney> hey.  if I have a game installed, can I make it show up on the applications menu?
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> or will there be another app
[07:56] <jdub> spikeb: there have been finished 2.x releases 5 times now...
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> because currently.. it's a huge hole
[07:56] <spikeb> nathanieldelaney, it might just do it automatically
[07:56] <x43> yeah i burned a cd and the long filenames were cut off
[07:56] <spikeb> jdub, I mean as a series.
[07:57] <nathanieldelaney> it hasn't
[07:57] <spikeb> nathanieldelaney, hmm
[07:57] <nathanieldelaney> is there a fairly simple way to do that?
[08:01] <spikeb> i do not know.
[08:01] <geppy> x43: enable whatchamacallit
[08:01] <geppy> it's somewhere in the config
[08:02] <geppy> "long names" somewhere, use K3B, or xcdroast
[08:09] <angad> hey guys
[08:09] <spikeb> howdy
[08:09] <angad> how do i share a printer with windows computers?  i have samba installed
[08:10] <atariboy`> how does one get gtksharp in ubuntu?
[08:10] <angad> sudo apt-get install gtksharp
[08:11] <spikeb> i doubt gtksharp is available in any of the standard repos.
[08:11] <angad> oh ok
[08:11] <spikeb> as far as printer sharing goes, i am not sure.
[08:11] <angad> ok thanks anyway spikeb
[08:12] <spikeb> i need to figure out how to set up print sharing from a windows computer to my ubuntu computer, myself.
[08:12] <spikeb> heh
[08:12] <angad> haha
[08:13] <atariboy`> hmm. I'm getting python errors from the wiki search
[08:15] <sparkes> atariboy`, the wiki is in a state of flux at the moment
[08:15] <atariboy`> ah okay
[08:15] <whiprush> the new wiki seems to be working
[08:15] <spikeb> the home site could use a news section
[08:15] <spikeb> heh
[08:19] <stuNNed> is ubuntu kernel patched with DSDT for laptops?
[08:20] <bob2> spikeb: gtk-sharp is indeed in universe.
[08:20] <|trey|> stuNNed, if you know what would be needed.... just look in /boot/config-<uname -r>
[08:20] <spikeb> wow
[08:20] <bob2> stuNNed: it doesn't yet have the latest acpi patches.
[08:21] <stuNNed> bob2: ok thanks, thanks |trey|
[08:21] <spikeb> woohoo
[08:21] <spikeb> print sharing works
[08:21] <spikeb> heh
[08:22] <stuNNed> ubuntu still uses xfree86 and not xorg?
[08:22] <angad> spikeb
[08:22] <angad> how did you do it?
[08:22] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> hoary will use Xorg
[08:23] <stuNNed> hoary is unstable ubuntu?
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is the next release
[08:23] <stuNNed> ok thanks HrdwrBoB
[08:24] <spikeb> angad, i turned on print sharing from windows (not my printer, it's my wife) and then setup SMB printing on ubuntu
[08:24] <angad> spikeb, how do you set it up on ubuntu?  i already have my other computers that run windows set up for print sharing
[08:24] <stuNNed> bob2: would you happen to know if hoary's kernel will havce DSDT support?
[08:25] <ultrafunk> stuNNed: i've got a .deb with the custom DSDT loader on my FTP site if you want it
[08:25] <bob2> stuNNed: mad phat laptop support is a design goal, yes
[08:25] <stuNNed> ultrafunk: sure!
[08:26] <spikeb> angad, in the computer menu > system configuration > printing
[08:26] <angad> yeah
[08:26] <spikeb> double click new printer, and choose network printer, then smb
[08:26] <angad> im there now
[08:26] <angad> ok thanks
[08:27] <angad> ehsy hord in yhr hody snf ptinyrt pstyz/
[08:27] <angad> what goes in the host/printer part?
[08:27] <spikeb> whatever the smb name and printer share names are
[08:27] <ultrafunk> stuNNed: ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/random_cruft/linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-99-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-99unofficialubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:27] <angad> ok thanks
[08:27] <stuNNed> ultrafunk: much appreciated
[08:28] <ultrafunk> stuNNed: you can also get the unofficialubuntu3 version if you want the patches discussed on: http://cipherfunk.org/diary/archives/monthly/2004-10.html#e2004-10-26T18_44_02.htm
[08:29] <corbob> where do i find the theme files for gnome?
[08:31] <spikeb> i can't wait until the cds ship :)
[08:36] <stuNNed> ultrafunk: thanks
[08:38] <poO_> any of u guys have firewall installed in ubuntu?
[08:38] <bob2> the default desktop install doesn't have any open ports
[08:39] <poO_> so i don't need to install one then?
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> poO_: if you want to, you can isntall firestarter
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> install
[08:39] <bob2> poO_: what do you want it to do?
[08:39] <poO_> well just browse chat mail and such
[08:40] <bob2> no, the firewall
[08:40] <poO_> i just use this notebook for school and such
[08:40] <poO_> oh
[08:40] <poO_> i was used to having my notebook a firewall..just wondering if i'll be safe
[08:40] <poO_> just browsing and chatting...and email
[08:40] <bob2> unless you install extra software, there's nothing listening on any ports
[08:40] <poO_> oh ok
[08:41] <poO_> so i should be ok then?
[08:41] <poO_> all i installed was gaim(updated) and 3ddesktop and mplayer
[08:42] <poO_> bob2: how bout if i install bittorrent?
[08:42] <bob2> then the bittorrent client will listen on some ports
[08:43] <poO_> o ok
[08:44] <bob2> I believe you can disable it, at the cost of slowing downloads
[08:45] <x43> is there a command to update gnome menus to integrate programs that have been installed but not added to the menu list ?
[08:45] <spikeb> bah, no installer on the gnoppix-warty livecd
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> bittorrent will be fine.
[08:46] <poO_> ok
[08:46] <bob2> x43: if they don't include desktop files, they won't go on the menu unless you manually add them
[08:46] <bob2> spikeb: yes, that's what the install cd is for
[08:46] <x43> could you tell me how real quick for bob ?
[08:46] <bob2> spikeb: the live cd doesn't contain any packages
[08:46] <bob2> x43: applications:///
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> drag/drop
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> make a launcher
[08:46] <stuNNed> what's the easiest way to update an ubuntu system?
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> etc
[08:46] <spikeb> not fair - the livecd has bootsplash :P
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: start synaptic
[08:46] <bob2> stuNNed: synaptic -> refresh -> upgrade
[08:47] <poO_> stunned: sudo apt-get update
[08:47] <stuNNed> thanks to all
[08:47] <stuNNed> is galeon available?
[08:48] <bob2> no.
[08:48] <stuNNed> ok
[08:52] <thoreauputic> bob2: really? no galeon in Ubuntu?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> bob2: does it conflict with other stuff?
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight all
[08:55] <Mithrandir> lifeless: pong
[08:56] <alexeijh> Hi, I'm looking at getting a DIRT-cheap new video card. Will they all work with ubuntu or are some better thatn others?
[08:56] <deFrysk> nvidia rules
[09:01] <Biscuits> hows ati go with ubuntu? can you get acceleration working?
[09:02] <spikeb> works fine here
[09:02] <Biscuits> ok did you use the standard ati drivers they have for linux? at ati's site
[09:03] <spikeb> yes, but i used the ubuntu packages of them.
[09:03] <Biscuits> what packages?
[09:03] <Biscuits> o i get it
[09:03] <spikeb> there's actually a howto written about it, let me find it for you
[09:04] <Biscuits> thanks
[09:04] <spikeb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:05] <spikeb> basically, you install fglrx-driver, restricted-modules-whatever-version, edit XFree86Config-4, and reboot
[09:06] <spikeb> if you have any questions, feel free to ask
[09:07] <vasi> hey folks....i'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to register on the wiki
[09:07] <vasi> what am i missing?
[09:07] <Biscuits> sweet thanks spikeb :D
[09:07] <Treenaks> vasi: click on the log in link in the read bar on the top
[09:07] <spikeb> Biscuits, no problem. :)
[09:08] <Treenaks> vasi: hmm
[09:08] <vasi> there's no option to register there
[09:08] <vasi> just to log in...but if i don't have a login/pass, how do i get one?
[09:24] <bob2> thoreauputic: I'm guessing it didn't build at some point
[09:25] <thoreauputic> bob2: ah, I see
[09:33] <patrick_> I HAVE A p4 3.0 ghz hyperthreading why does it appears as one cpu in top ? already installed the smp kernel
[09:33] <__daniel> good morning
[09:34] <briareus> hell all
[09:34] <patrick_> >defrysk< : I HAVE A p4 3.0 ghz hyperthreading why does it appears as one cpu in top ? already installed the smp kernel
[09:34] <briareus> hello all
[09:34] <Android16> I give up
[09:34] <Android16> sendmail on Ubuntu 2 difficult
[09:35] <patrick_> Plz Help
[09:36] <Treenaks> Android16: sendmail on Ubuntu?
[09:36] <briareus> i thought it was supposed to appear as one cpu
[09:36] <Treenaks> patrick_: does /proc/cpuinfo show 2 CPUs?
[09:36] <xskoulax> Guten Morgen __daniel
[09:36] <xskoulax> hi briareus
[09:36] <briareus> hello xskoulax
[09:37] <briareus> xskoulax, may i ask a question of you? (I mean , er, another one?)
[09:37] <xskoulax> briareus: you can ask but you'd be asking a n00b ;)
[09:37] <Acridien> hello
[09:37] <xskoulax> briareus: go for it i might know
[09:37] <xskoulax> hi Acridien
[09:37] <briareus> well I am curious if they are still giving the free CD offer
[09:38] <xskoulax> briareus: as far as i know
[09:38] <spikeb> i signed up for ten cds :)
[09:38] <briareus> how does one go about getting one?
[09:38] <xskoulax> shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:38] <xskoulax> i beleive
[09:38] <Acridien> can someone tell me how to handle mass usb storage with ubuntu
[09:38] <Acridien> it won't load any driver for it
[09:39] <spikeb> briareus, http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[09:39] <Cube-ness> Acridien, all my usb storage stuff 'just works'
[09:39] <spikeb> i dont even have usb storage
[09:39] <spikeb> heh
[09:39] <Cube-ness> plug it in, pops up on desktop
[09:39] <briareus> Acridien, have you tailed /var/log/messages to see what it does when you plug it in?
[09:39] <Acridien> briareus: i show you the ouput
[09:39] <__daniel> Acridien: show it to me too
[09:40] <briareus> paste it in here
[09:40] <briareus> it shouldnt be too long
[09:40] <eikke> hija
[09:40] <eikke> any gnoppixwarty users in here?
[09:41] <spikeb> yes.
[09:41] <spikeb> i used it for about five minutes earlier.
[09:41] <eikke> got a problem with it (had same thing with 0.8.1)
[09:41] <patrick_> treenaks it shows processor : 1
[09:41] <spikeb> eikke, what is it?
[09:42] <eikke> it boots fine, gnome runs, but then, whenever I start the "Networking" config tool, and configure my network, after that, I cannot start any other app :(
[09:42] <spikeb> hmm
[09:42] <eikke> if I dont run the networking tool first, it works fine
[09:42] <spikeb> eikke, can't help ya - my networking worked fine out of the box
[09:42] <eikke> well here too, but need to set SMB stuff :)
[09:42] <spikeb> ahhh
[09:42] <spikeb> yeah i just wanted to see if the livecd had an installer, but it doesnt
[09:43] <spikeb> so i didnt use it very long
[09:43] <eikke> strange thing is: in console, it says "No display can be found" (GTK error)
[09:43] <Acridien> re
[09:43] <eikke> but starting DISPLAY=:0 gaim at console doesnt work either (same error)
[09:43] <Acridien> daniels: i can't paste it to you you re too restrictive with pasting
[09:43] <eikke> I had this on 2 different PC's, so its not related to that I guess (shoulnt be either)
[09:43] <__daniel> __daniel: me?
[09:43] <spikeb> Acridien, use pastebin.com
[09:44] <__daniel> Acridien: erm... me?
[09:44] <eikke> next to that problem: in the networking tool, since 0.8.2, I cant enable SMB support: it says SMB support isnt installed, which is a pitty, really
[09:44] <briareus> ok Acridien now look at /etc/fstab to see if it added any lines for th edevice
[09:45] <Acridien> briareus: none
[09:46] <briareus> ok, i was thinking it might add something, in your messages it didnt seem to add it as a device
[09:46] <Acridien> I got this at startup process error with pciehp and shpchp
[09:46] <Acridien> loading
[09:46] <Acridien> what are them ?
[09:47] <briareus> dunnoi
[09:47] <spikeb> just hotplug doing its thing, i believe
[09:47] <eikke> Acridien: hal problems?
[09:47] <briareus> ok do this: lsmod | grep usb
[09:48] <Treenaks> patrick_: does it also show processor: 0
[09:48] <Treenaks> patrick_: (use "less /proc/cpuinfo" to get more info)
[09:48] <briareus> lsmod is usually a root command, but from what I hear ubuntu does everything sudo
[09:48] <Acridien> eikke: ?
[09:49] <Treenaks> briareus: lsmod is not a root command
[09:49] <briareus> hal = hardware abstraction layer
[09:49] <eikke> Acridien: I read sth about fstab changes, so tought you were having HAL related issues :)
[09:49] <briareus> eikke, his usb mass storage, isnt
[09:49] <Treenaks> briareus: and "sudo" runs stuff as root... it's just that there's no password for the root user.. there IS a root user..
[09:49] <briareus> Treenaks, ah, see i havent even laid eyes on ubuntu yet
[09:50] <Acridien>  lsmod | grep usb
[09:50] <Acridien> usbcore               115684  3 uhci_hcd
[09:50] <__daniel> Acridien: weren't you the one, who stopped hotplug on his box? *can't remember*
[09:50] <jdub> # cat /etc/lsb-release
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.4
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[09:50] <jdub> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"
[09:50] <Treenaks> briareus: really, install it :)
[09:50] <Acridien> eikke: what are pciehp and shpchp ?
[09:50] <jdub>
[09:50] <jdub> ^ :-)
[09:50] <Treenaks> jdub: is it semi-stable-ish now then?
[09:50] <Mithrandir> jdub: you crazzy person. ;)
[09:50] <jdub> not that i recommend upgrading
[09:50] <Treenaks> jdub: or still "Don't upgrade or it might strangle your SO"
[09:50] <bob2> hah
[09:50] <jdub> Treenaks: it upgrades... ;)
[09:50] <spikeb> heh jdub
[09:51] <bob2> a bunch of stuff was still uninstallable, last I checked
[09:51] <jdub> i'm just running it on a runt machine that doesn't actually do anything
[09:51] <spikeb> jdub, what's new in it?
[09:51] <__daniel> jdub: works for me too :-)
[09:51] <Acridien> __daniel: no no but what is the command to refresh hot plug?
[09:51] <jdub> spikeb: no 'feature' stuff
[09:51] <jdub> it's just synced from sid
[09:51] <spikeb> ahh ok
[09:51] <spikeb> that's kind of what i figured
[09:51] <__daniel> Acridien: pciehp is   pci express hotplug
[09:51] <jdub> there are still a bunch of things that need merging
[09:51] <spikeb> they have some nice ubuntu stuff on gnome-look.org :)
[09:51] <briareus> nice, ubuntu is already optimized for pci express?
[09:51] <spikeb> blue splash screens and wallpaper with the logo.
[09:52] <__daniel> Acridien: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart    but that shouldnt be the issue
[09:52] <spikeb> works nice for me (i prefer industrial's colors to human's)
[09:52] <Treenaks> I'll wait with upgrading until xorg is in :)
[09:52] <__daniel> Acridien: i guess you have to add something cool to /etc/fstab
[09:52] <bob2> briareus: "optimised"?
[09:52] <briareus> Acridien, i know a line that works for me, but i dont know if it works in ubuntu or not
[09:52] <briareus> bob2, well, supports it
[09:53] <__daniel> Acridien: this one is fine at my place: /dev/sda1               /usb                    auto    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000,noauto        0       0
[09:53] <bob2> briareus: if the kernel does, ubuntu does.
[09:53] <briareus> thats the line i would try Acridien
[09:54] <spikeb> now if only i could find a blue ubuntu gdm theme
[09:54] <briareus> spikeb, just make one
[09:54] <spikeb> i will :)
[09:55] <briareus> hey Despair is here, all we need is Fear and Uncertainty and the gangs all here
[09:55] <loathing> heh
[09:56] <Despair> briareus: The usual third member of that trinity is Doubt.
[09:56] <briareus> oh right, but at the moment Doubt is under the weather, it seems she's been drinking too much
[09:57] <loathing> heh
[10:00] <briareus> val kilmer in tombstone is great
[10:01] <Acridien> __daniel: look at pastebins
[10:01] <Acridien> look at pastebins
[10:01] <briareus> Acridien, did you paste the unique link to it?
[10:01] <Acridien> it's a fresh post
[10:01] <briareus> yeah, but it gives you a url
[10:01] <Acridien> so www.pastebin.com
[10:02] <Acridien> briareus: http://www.pastebin.com/114490
[10:02] <briareus> ok
[10:02] <eikke> hmm
[10:03] <eikke> warty seems to have no MP3 support in totem and rhythmbox either :(
[10:03] <briareus> nothing about a device
[10:03] <jdub> four pages of ubuntu-related artwork on gnome-look.org :-)
[10:03] <spikeb> yup jdub
[10:03] <spikeb> some really nice stuff
[10:03] <mjr> eikke, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:04] <briareus> did you try that fstab line ?
[10:04] <briareus> __daniel Acridien: this one is fine at my place: /dev/sda1               /usb                    auto    defaults,user,users,dmask=0000,fmask=0000,noauto        0       0
[10:04] <eikke> mjr: if only my mp3 cd player would support ogg...
[10:04] <Acridien> briareus: i will
[10:05] <eikke> then they should include gstreamer-mad on the cd :D
[10:05] <bob2> no
[10:05] <bob2> mp3 is subject to patents that are being enforced
[10:05] <Despair> bob2: only covers recording... at the moment.
[10:06] <Treenaks> Despair: it could change any moment
[10:06] <bob2> Despair: fraunhoffer has shown themselves to be hostile and to change their mind
[10:06] <Despair> bob2: Yeah, kind of figured that was why. Just figured I'd prompt someone else to cover the details. ;)
[10:06] <x43> xmms supports ogg
[10:06] <Treenaks> x43: ithm portable mp3 player
[10:07] <bob2> and gstreamer0.8-mad will enable it in rythmbox
[10:07] <x43> ahh
[10:07] <eikke> i dont need ogg, I just cant get around the use of mp3
[10:07] <briareus> i love ogg
[10:07] <eikke> bob2: its not on gnoppix-warty
[10:07] <eikke> i like ogg too, but unfortunately cant use it
[10:07] <spikeb> ahh yeah
[10:07] <Acridien> briareus: then do I have to refresh something ?
[10:07] <bob2> "gnoppix" has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[10:07] <eikke> bob2: well, its ubuntu on a livecd ;)
[10:07] <bob2> if you mean "ubuntu live cd", then it's not on the install cd, either
[10:08] <spikeb> no it isn't.
[10:08] <briareus> Acridien, well, do you have a /usb or a /mnt/usb dir?
[10:08] <briareus> because that line he gave you mounts it to /usb so if you dont have it you will have to create a /usb
[10:08] <eikke> spikeb: latest release is.  Check gnoppix.org
[10:08] <briareus> either in / or /mnt/
[10:09] <Acridien> briareus: I just added this dr
[10:09] <Acridien> briareus: now ?
[10:09] <briareus> try to plug in again
[10:09] <briareus> the cd to it
[10:11] <Acridien> briareus: The device is an actionreplay with xbox memory unit that is usb on it
[10:11] <Acridien> briareus: fatx fs but i just want to find the device and dd on it
[10:11] <phin> i got a good quote from a non linux novice about ubuntu!
[10:11] <phin> SkOoBa 420> i don't miss windows at all
[10:11] <phin> :-)
[10:12] <phin> that is all :)
[10:12] <stuNNed> what do i need to install to get mp3's working with rhythmbox?
[10:12] <jdub> that was nice ;)
[10:12] <jdub> stuNNed: gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:12] <stuNNed> jdub, thanks
[10:13] <briareus> Acridien, i dont know
[10:13] <briareus> maybe someone here has mass usb running now and can help you
[10:13] <bob2> your disk will mount automatically when you plug it in...
[10:13] <stuNNed> jdub, what repo is that in?
[10:13] <jdub> universe
[10:14] <stuNNed> jdub, i am very very new to debian methods, this is first time, besides apt for redhat/fedora :)
[10:15] <Treenaks> jdub: do universe packages get reported by popcon as well?
[10:15] <jdub> Treenaks: should do, yeah
[10:15] <jdub> Treenaks: also, see my universe script on u-u
[10:15] <bob2> stuNNed: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:15] <netmonk> greets
[10:16] <jdub> $ universe | wc -l
[10:16] <jdub> 75
[10:16] <jdub> ^ heh
[10:16] <netmonk> need some help with gnome desktop
[10:16] <redLAW>  i'm having problems with my gprs conection on ubuntu. i have se t610. when i conect i'm only on net 2.1 min and then kinternet disconect me. In log i received error code 15(last line in log) PLEASE HELP ME
[10:16] <Acridien> briareus: well well tx anyway
[10:17] <stuNNed> bob2, thanks
[10:17] <Treenaks> redLAW: cable or bluetooth?
[10:18] <redLAW> cable
[10:18] <redLAW> usb cable
[10:18] <Treenaks> does it work in those minutes?
[10:19] <redLAW> yes normaly mozilla, xchat everything
[10:21] <barry_za> Quick question: Is it possible to install .rpm packages under Ubuntu / Debian? Or convert them to .deb packages so they can be installed?
[10:21] <danielshower> barry_za: use  alien  for converting
[10:21] <danielshower> barry_za: but most stuff should be packaged in ubuntu/debian already
[10:22] <netmonk> does anyone know if acpi works? things like stand-by and suspend?
[10:23] <bob2> netmonk: it depends on your hardware
[10:23] <bob2> hoary will have massive improvements in that regard
[10:24] <netmonk> laptop toshiba a40-261, it's last year model, I think
[10:24] <anders> hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a computer with an asuscom isdn card. I should use an hisax module or what?
[10:25] <barry_za> Ok, I'll tell you where I'm going with it.  The question was asked on the mailing list if it would be possible to host packages not included in Ubuntu for legal / licensing reasons extarnally.
[10:25] <barry_za> That made me think of the PLF (Penguin Liberation Front), but they're Mandrake based.
[10:26] <barry_za> So I was wondering if it would be easy to get the .rpm's from them and convert them
[10:26] <anders> any isdn gurus here?
[10:26] <Acridien> DO someone has pciehp and shpchp errors at startup ? Is it a common error with warty release ?
[10:26] <Acridien> DO someone has pciehp and shpchp errors at startup ? Is it a common error with warty release ?
[10:26] <spikeb> Acridien, yes
[10:27] <Acridien> spikeb: explain
[10:27] <__daniel> Acridien: yes, it's common, but no error - no harm is done at all - it's just cosmetic
[10:27] <spikeb> Acridien, it's just hotplug trying out various modules, and the errors are because you don't have that hardware
[10:27] <spikeb> that's all
[10:27] <__daniel> barry_za: better than just converting would be to bug the authors to switch to another license
[10:27] <Harnak> Does anyone know what X driver needs to be changed to disable write combining.. My ATI Mobility chipset doesn't seem to work right , just after install.
[10:28] <Acridien> spikeb: any heard problem with usb storage device ?
[10:28] <spikeb> Acridien, i dont have any usb storage devices so i cant help with that.
[10:28] <__daniel> Acridien: ls -l /dev/sda*
[10:28] <lhb> barry_za: there a program called alien that can convert packages, AFAIK
[10:29] <__daniel> Acridien: (when you plugged it in)
[10:29] <barry_za> ___daniel: That's the ideal, I know, but realisticly that's never going to happen with all software, and this could be a way of solving the problem in the mean time.
[10:30] <Acridien> __daniel: perhaps action replay is not like other usb device
[10:30] <jdub> barry_za: those things should go in universe or multiverse
[10:30] <__daniel> barry_za: that's not true - while reading the debian weekly news for some years they really got some licences changed already
[10:30] <Acridien> __daniel: no output for that command
[10:31] <__daniel> Acridien: i tried loads of usb storage devices everyone works: WHAT about   ls -l /dev/sda*  when you plugged it in?
[10:31] <StarScream> hi, can some one point me to docs, or explain how to install kde. I know its in the universe but i'm not sure how to use apt to get it
[10:31] <__daniel> StarScream: apt-get install kde  should be ok
[10:31] <stuNNed> you guys get sound working no problems?
[10:31] <StarScream> __daniel: Package kde is not available.
[10:32] <__daniel> Acridien: ok
[10:32] <bob2> StarScream: did you enable universe?
[10:32] <spikeb> what is multiverse?
[10:32] <__daniel> spikeb: non-free stuff
[10:32] <StarScream> bob2: no, see question above ^.... how do i enable it?
[10:32] <spikeb> ahhhh
[10:32] <Acridien> __daniel: no file or repertory of that type
[10:32] <spikeb> __daniel, ok
[10:32] <Acridien> __daniel: directory
[10:32] <bob2> StarScream: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:33] <StarScream> bob2: muchos gracias
[10:33] <Acridien> StarScream: :-)
[10:33] <__daniel> Acridien: what did    lsmod | grep usb    say?
[10:33] <Acridien> acridien@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep usb
[10:33] <Acridien> usbcore               115684  3 uhci_hcd
[10:34] <spikeb> shouldn't gstreamer-mad go in multiverse then? technically, it's nonfree (format)
[10:34] <__daniel> Acridien: try   sudo modprobe ehci_hcd
[10:34] <bob2> spikeb: the code is Free
[10:34] <__daniel> Acridien: then  tail -f /var/log/syslog   and re-plug your usb thingie
[10:35] <spikeb> bob2, the format isn't
[10:35] <spikeb> heh
[10:35] <bob2> spikeb: the format is patent-encumbered
[10:36] <Treenaks> when does this patent "time out" btw?
[10:37] <gruberman_> not ONE radiostation in the dallas area supports linux for their streaming :/
[10:37] <spikeb> probably about the time nobody uses mp3 anymore.
[10:37] <Treenaks> spikeb: even more
[10:37] <Acridien> __daniel: ouputs Oct 28 10:37:10 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 4
[10:37] <Acridien> Oct 28 10:37:14 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5
[10:37] <spikeb> Treenaks, but are they enforced?
[10:38] <Treenaks> spikeb: ogg is better anyway
[10:38] <spikeb> i agree
[10:38] <__daniel> Acridien: what about    ls /dev/sda*  ?
[10:38] <spikeb> the only use i have for mp3 and aac is for downloaded tunes
[10:38] <Harnak> Do you have to do anything special to get the kernel to recognize a USB mouse?
[10:38] <spikeb> for my personal collection, everything can be ogg or flac
[10:38] <Treenaks> Harnak: no
[10:39] <Harnak> What /dev device does it usually use?
[10:39] <Acridien> __daniel: nothing except no file or dr of that type.....something may be wrong with action replay and usb protocol i don't know
[10:39] <__daniel> Acridien: damn :-/
[10:40] <Treenaks> Harnak: /dev/input/mice, but that should be autodetected by X, why?
[10:40] <Acridien> __daniel: I will try my printer to see if the problem is wider
[10:40] <Harnak> mine isn't detected by X .. so I'm going to see if the device exists.
[10:40] <Treenaks> Harnak: check /var/log/kern.log -- you might ahve a problem with interrupts/etc
[10:41] <Harnak> X says it's looking for the mouse on /dev/mouse but /dev/mouse doesn't exist.. should I just ln /dev/input/mice to /dev/mouse?
[10:41] <Harnak> ok.. checking the kern.log
[10:41] <genars> hi
[10:41] <Pizbit> Harnak: Yep, can't hurt to try anyway
[10:41] <StarScream> ok, i managed to enable universe, but apt-get install kde gives : The following packages have unmet dependancies:
[10:41] <StarScream> then lists deps
[10:42] <stuNNed> why isn't galeon supported?
[10:42] <StarScream> but says they aren't gonig to be installed
[10:42] <Acridien> __daniel: printer is handled
[10:42] <Harnak> Treenaks: the kern.log sees the mouse and I tried unplugging it.. there were messages saying it was successful
[10:42] <Treenaks> Harnak: hm.. okk
[10:42] <bob2> stuNNed: because we already have two web browesers in supported
[10:43] <stuNNed> bob2, ok thanks, no bash-completion either?
[10:43] <bob2> stuNNed: nano /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:43] <Harnak> changing it in XF86Config to point to /dev/input/mice worked.. thanks!
[10:43] <spikeb> cool Harnak :)
[10:44] <Nermal> I'm liking the ubuntu live cd
[10:44] <spikeb> aye
[10:44] <Nermal> its pwetty 8)
[10:44] <spikeb> Nermal,  yes it is.
[10:44] <Treenaks> Harnak: weird, that should have been detected automatically
[10:44] <spikeb> too bad the install cd isnt so pretty :P
[10:44] <Nermal> ooooooh
[10:45] <Nermal> I use gentoo atm on my main machine, for up to date packages and other reasons.... but.. my laptop cooks when I emerge -u world ..
[10:45] <Harnak> Treenaks: yeah.. my ATI is a mobility card (Radeon 9700) so I'm wondering if that threw a wrench into it somehow
[10:45] <Nermal> maybe I should plonk ubuntu on my lappy
[10:45] <spikeb> Nermal, yeah not a bad idea
[10:45] <Nermal> does the install cd support pcmcia cdrom drives?
[10:45] <spikeb> that way you don't have to burn your legs
[10:45] <Nermal> aye.. I do want children at some point..
[10:46] <Harnak> Er I mean 9600
[10:46] <lhb> http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=161&slide=17
[10:46] <spikeb> i want to get a bootsplash like the livecd has working on my install.
[10:46] <lhb> what's wrong with that screenshot of gnoppix?
[10:46] <Nermal> oops.. just went to ubuntu.org  took me a while to realise wtf was going on..
[10:47] <spikeb> lhb, aside from the horrible icons, nothing.
[10:47] <topyli> thp: the "about" menu entry is cool. i don't know what's wrong :)
[10:48] <lhb> is that based on ubuntu?
[10:48] <spikeb> yeah
[10:48] <spikeb> gnoppix is now ubuntu livecd
[10:48] <topyli> they might at least do some branding
[10:48] <spikeb> topyli, they do now
[10:48] <spikeb> new release
[10:48] <Nermal> does ubuntu have its own package manager or just apt ?
[10:48] <spikeb> Nermal, apt + synaptic
[10:48] <|trey|> spikeb, thats cool  :)
[10:48] <lhb> crazy
[10:48] <Nermal> ah
[10:49] <spikeb> Nermal, next release might have a new front end for apt though
[10:49] <topyli> spikeb: ok, so their existence is justified :)
[10:49] <bob2> spikeb: hoary will have something better than bootsplash
[10:50] <Acridien> spikeb: aptitude ?
[10:50] <spikeb> bob2, i read that - userspace splash
[10:50] <bob2> spikeb: what more do you want in synaptic?
[10:50] <spikeb> bob2, synaptic is fine, once you know how to use it. i just think it's crap for learning how to use.
[10:50] <spikeb> so if i were to change it, it'd be click on a checkbox for a package you want, and click install
[10:51] <topyli> bob2: i'd like to have it remove orphans like aptitude does
[10:51] <bob2> topyli: that would be handy
[10:51] <spikeb> one click upgrade.
[10:53] <Acridien> __daniel: when I link my mobile to the usb port the right driver is loaded look usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 7
[10:53] <Acridien> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[10:54] <Acridien> __daniel: definitely somethiing with action replay
[10:54] <carl_> hello, I've got a question about the new wiki: how do I register?
[10:54] <StarScream> hmm maybe i need to update the cache?
[10:56] <carl_> If I click on "log in", there is no "register" possibility...
[10:58] <Scuttler> carl_:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UserPreferences
[10:59] <Acridien> Desktop sounds have disappear do someone know how i can switch them on ??
[10:59] <bob2> computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds
[11:00] <Acridien> bob2: it's on
[11:00] <carl_> thanks, but this link gets me to the old wiki
[11:00] <Acridien> bob2: They disappear when I have created a new user account
[11:00] <neuro|laptop> moo
[11:01] <fsc> is gpdf dead?  I have some issues with the usability and functionality of xpdf
[11:01] <aspro> Hello, are there any 2.6.9 ubuntu .debs out there?
[11:02] <aspro> kernel 2.6.9, i mean
[11:02] <StarScream> apt-get install kde-base E: Couldn't find package kde-base
[11:02] <carl_> I already had a account in the old wiki, but it seems they haven't been migrated since it doesn't work
[11:02] <deFrysk> kdebase
[11:02] <deFrysk> try that
[11:02] <bob2> fsc: it doesn't do type3 fonts yet
[11:03] <StarScream> deFrysk: kdebase works, but it gives me more unmet dependancies... one of which is kdebase-bin
[11:03] <deFrysk> StarScream, added universe ?
[11:04] <StarScream> deFrysk: well i thought i did
[11:04] <StarScream> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[11:04] <StarScream> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[11:04] <StarScream> is whats in my sources.list
[11:04] <deFrysk> uncomment the universe line in sources.list
[11:05] <bob2> carl_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/join_form
[11:05] <deFrysk> then update and try again
[11:05] <StarScream> ah sorry, i sent the wrong line
[11:05] <StarScream> deFrysk: update...apt-get update ?
[11:05] <deFrysk> yup
[11:06] <stuNNed> hands down, adding universe doesn't want to install a bunch of unstable software, even with dist-upgrade
[11:06] <bob2> yes, some of universe is broken
[11:06] <StarScream> deFrysk: k,i did that but i still get the same errors
[11:06] <visor> anyone has any issues with realplayer 10 on ubuntu?
[11:06] <stuNNed> bob2, that is a big + imho
[11:07] <carl_> bob2: thank you very much
[11:07] <StarScream> ah this is under PPC btw....is it possible kde for PPC just hasn't been built yet?
[11:07] <bob2> stuNNed: hrm?
[11:07] <stuNNed> bob2, a big plus that adding universe then `apt-get dist-updgrade` doesn't install a bunch of unstable stuff
[11:07] <deFrysk> StarScream, try apt-get install kde (the megapackage)
[11:07] <neur0mancer> hi
[11:08] <Acridien> damn my printer doesn't work
[11:08] <bob2> stuNNed: erm, main and universe do not overlap at all
[11:08] <StarScream> deFrysk: hmm nope, get the same thing....xfce4 works ok though :) but yeh, i'd like kde if possible\
[11:08] <Acridien> help
[11:08] <bob2> stuNNed: dist-upgrade after adding universe won't do anything
[11:08] <neur0mancer> does anyone know how do I configure totem to play DVDs?
[11:08] <visor> neur0mancer: i guess you need libdvdcss...
[11:08] <deFrysk> StarScream, I dont have kde , but if not possible , too bad
[11:09] <neur0mancer> visor: only that?
[11:09] <visor> so no one has tried yet to use realplayer 10?
[11:09] <StarScream> deFrysk: yeh fair enough :)
[11:09] <stvn> neur0mancer: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:09] <topyli> visor: works here
[11:09] <visor> neur0mancer: i havent tried that yet, but i guess, in many other distros you do only need that
[11:09] <visor> topyli: how did you installed it?
[11:10] <topyli> visor: i just got it from real.com and ran the installer
[11:10] <Nermal> anyone know if ubuntu can install from a pcmcia cdrom drive ?
[11:10] <visor> topyli: i did it as sudoer and both running a root terminal and installed it in /opt/realplayer so i dont mess up something, and when i try to run it it just keeps waiting and nothing happens later
[11:10] <bob2> doesn't that depend on your bios?
[11:10] <pi1> hi @ll
[11:11] <spikeb> Nermal, try the livecd on that
[11:11] <Nermal> hmm.. could do
[11:11] <spikeb> Nermal, if it works, then the install cd should
[11:11] <Nermal> its a sony vaio...
[11:11] <Nermal> I'm downloading the install cd now at work anyway :)
[11:11] <neur0mancer> there is no libdvdcss on the main/universe repositories but I am trying to install the libdvdplay0 and gstreamer-dvd
[11:11] <spikeb> what do you have on it ?
[11:11] <spikeb> currently
[11:11] <Nermal> me ?
[11:11] <bob2> neur0mancer: read the wiki page
[11:11] <spikeb> yeah
[11:11] <spikeb> Nermal, yeah
[11:11] <pi1> have problem with my grub and startin my win partition :(
[11:11] <spikeb> sorry.
[11:11] <topyli> visor: that's what i did too :\
[11:12] <Nermal> gentoo.. suse 8.2 boots on it ok so I booted the suse 8.2 install cdrom and started the installation process from that
[11:12] <neur0mancer> bob2: ok understood
[11:12] <spikeb> Nermal,  ok
[11:12] <Nermal> but then suse 9.x doesn't :|
[11:12] <spikeb> that sucks
[11:12] <visor> topyli: maybe if i uhmmm reboot? :P
[11:12] <Nermal> its a bit hit and miss. debian doesn't and gentoo doesn't :|
[11:12] <topyli> visor: heh
[11:12] <Nermal> I'm not even sure if knoppix does
[11:12] <spikeb> heh
[11:12] <spikeb> yeah
[11:12] <Nermal> I'm doomed :|
[11:12] <topyli> visor: you need to reinstall linux now
[11:12] <Nermal> god I want an ibook with ubuntu on it :|
[11:12] <Nermal> mmmm
[11:13] <bob2> Nermal: no wireless, no suspend
[11:13] <bob2> (yet)
[11:13] <spikeb> i had one
[11:13] <visor> topyli: they change the versions to download,  but, no one seems to notice, i download it and installed it on suse some weeks ago and the bin was different from size compared to this
[11:13] <Nermal> bob2, ok.. maybe not..
[11:13] <spikeb> hey wireless worked fine on the test releases
[11:13] <spikeb> (suspend didnt though)
[11:13] <bob2> not on a g4 ibook
[11:13] <topyli> visor: there was a security update
[11:13] <spikeb> ahh
[11:13] <spikeb> i had a g3 ibook.
[11:13] <bob2> ah
[11:13] <topyli> visor: could it be sound server confusion? are you running esd?
[11:14] <pi1> hm no one ?
[11:14] <visor> damn its nice to listen to my mp3 on the server machine through gnome-vfs2 on totem, ubuntu seems to be the first distro that actually pushed work to make this things work
[11:14] <visor> topyli: maybe, let me see
[11:14] <bob2> pi1: you didn't ask a question...
[11:14] <stuNNed> ah, epiphany is in universe, guess i'll be using that instead of galeon :)
[11:14] <Nermal> does ubuntu support reiserfs 4 ?
[11:14] <bob2> Nermal: "support"?
[11:14] <bob2> Nermal: it's not even in a mainline kernel yet!
[11:15] <Nermal> well.. does it come with support in the kernel or reiserfs4progs ?
[11:15] <pi1> bob2: oh...well ok sorry...i'm new here...
[11:15] <Nermal> ah.. I'm used to gentoo world :|
[11:15] <pi1> bob2: well...my grub doesn't start my win partition...
[11:15] <Nermal> mind you.. the last time I tried reiser 4 it exploded :|
[11:15] <bob2> shockingly
[11:15] <bob2> since it's still in alpha
[11:15] <spikeb> heh
[11:15] <spikeb> jfs is the man, baby
[11:15] <pi1> bob2: and i can't find a grub-update either :(
[11:15] <bob2> pi1: does it list it?  did it used to work?
[11:16] <jamaas> I'm new to Ubuntu, but like it very much.  The settings like ttyUSB0  etc that I need to make my visor sync do not remain, disappear when I reboot.  Can anyone tell me how to make them permanent?  Thanks
[11:16] <Nermal> bob2, I thought reiser 4 was stable now
[11:16] <visor> topyli: still the same, im going to reboot maybe some socket or who knows, those things happens... brb
[11:17] <bob2> Nermal: I wouldn't trust it
[11:17] <bob2> jamaas: changes to /dev are not presisted over reboot
[11:17] <pi1> bob2: yeah it works well starting ubuntu, but i can't start my hd(0,0) win partition :( i just get an echo of my menu.lst and nothing happens...
[11:17] <Nermal> aye..
[11:18] <fsc> what's hoary?
[11:18] <tux> lo
[11:18] <tux> follow up to warty
[11:18] <bob2> fsc: the next release of ubuntu
[11:18] <stvn> fsc: the next ubuntu release
[11:18] <fsc> ahh
[11:18] <bob2> pi1: try askign on the ubuntu-users list, I guess
[11:18] <tux> has anyone gotten sun's java 1.41 to work ?
[11:18] <patrick_> can someone help me installing openoffice 1.1.3
[11:19] <jamaas> bob2:  is there a way to make them permanent, or do I have to produce modules and then get the kernel to load them?  there must be relatively simple solution ??  (Here's hoping!! :))
[11:19] <spikeb> lol
[11:19] <bob2> patrick_: what's wrong with the version in ubuntu?
[11:19] <sabdfl> jamaas: how do you get them setup?
[11:19] <bob2> tux: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:19] <aspro> tux, 1.4.2 and 1.5 work fine here
[11:19] <patrick_> it says <glibc version: 2.3.2./setup: cannot connect to X server>
[11:19] <bob2> jamaas: what do you need change?
[11:20] <tux> aspro, i get it installed okay from rpm with alien
[11:20] <patrick_> the version 1.1.3 correct some words issues
[11:20] <aspro> i used the text installer
[11:20] <tux> but when i change to bin to execute java, it gives an error
[11:20] <pi1> bob2: hmm...ok...just one last question...where is my grub-update ??
 alien -i OO...   ???
[11:20] <bob2> pi1: I don't know what that is (but I've never used grub)
[11:21] <aspro> no, you can download a script from sun
[11:21] <stvn> pi1: sudo update-grub
[11:21] <bob2> patrick_: I'd be veeeeeeeery wary installing openoffice from rp
[11:21] <jamaas> bob2: when ubuntu boots , there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1  or ln -s from /dev/ttyUSB0 to /dev/visor or /dev/pilot.  I can produce them every time I login but next time they're gone.  make sense?
[11:21] <bob2> m
 alien -i OO...   ???
[11:21] <aLi`> i need a gui for listing the services that works on booting up?
[11:21] <bob2> jamaas: you just need the symlink?  or you need to load an extra module?
 how to use the text installer for ./setup -net
[11:22] <aspro> ?
[11:22] <aspro> i was talking to tux about java
[11:22] <tux> patrick_, no was talking to aspro about java installation
[11:22] <aspro> :)
[11:22] <tux> ;)
[11:22] <jamaas> bob2: I don't know about the module?  the symlink is not really necessary, what is required is an active ttyUSB0 and 1 upon reboot
[11:22] <topyli> aLi`: no you don't :) look at /etc/rc2.d
[11:23] <tux> aspro, i'll get the error again now, just booting laptop
[11:23] <sabdfl> jamaas: do you fix it manually just by creating a symblink?
[11:23] <aspro> okay
[11:23] <visor> im back
[11:23] <aLi`> topyli, i wannt a gui for this
[11:23] <topyli> visor: how's the porn?
[11:23] <jamaas> sabdfl: not just the symlink but aslo creating ttyUSB0 and 1
[11:23] <topyli> aLi`: perhaps you could use webmin
[11:23] <visor> topyli: told you, it was a reboot what was needed indeed
[11:24] <sabdfl> how, with mknod?
[11:24] <topyli> visor: my guess is you just unticked the sound server in the prefs but didn't kill esd for that session :)
[11:24] <visor> topyli: this things always have happened to me, always a temp file, anyway its good now :)
[11:25] <visor> uhmm i did know you have to do that he
[11:25] <jamaas> sabdfl: that is how I create the tty (modules?) each time I boot, but next time they are gone! :(
[11:25] <visor> did not, err
[11:25] <__daniel> jamaas: it's because of udev: it should take care of the creation of devices
[11:25] <topyli> visor: yeah, it's just a setting for the session manager, takes effect when you next log in :)
[11:25] <visor> this is the very best distro i have used :)
[11:26] <spikeb> eh
[11:26] <visor> topyli: actually, i did that, and yet i had the same problem, thats why i came to irc :)
[11:26] <jamaas> _daniel: I'm not familiar with this one, is it a command like mknod that creates these modules?
[11:26] <topyli> visor: hmm. so it was something locking the player like you say
[11:27] <__daniel> jamaas: it's a daemon that creates appropriate devices based on the kernel modules that are loaded
[11:27] <visor> the only thing i saw, so far, its that, for some odd reason many people seem to have bootplash, and i dont, i actually looked at the repositories and all of that (including the cdrom)and i didnt find anything about bootsplash, does that have something to do with releases?
[11:27] <__daniel> jamaas: what kernel module are we talking about anyway? usb-serial-something?
[11:28] <stuNNed> how do i check the status of a daemon in /etc/init.d ?
[11:28] <jamaas> I've read quite a bit about the kernel automatically configuring new devices as needed for hotsync, is this the same thing?  If so how do I use udev to create the devices?
[11:28] <patrick_> bob2 what is that x error
[11:28] <aspro> tux, ive got to go, maybe someone else can help you, sorry :)
[11:28] <Android16> sheesh , when do debian update their packages ?
[11:28] <visor> im not dying, i can live without an eye candy boot, but its just weird, many people dont have those packages, me counting one of those, and some other does
[11:28] <Android16> mysql server 3.23.49-8.8
[11:28] <tux> aspro, cool
 what is that x error
[11:28] <jamaas> _daniel, no idea, would need to research it
[11:28] <__daniel> jamaas: modprobe the appropriate kernel module
[11:28] <tux> i think i have to get it again anyways :.
[11:28] <tux> :/
[11:28] <aspro> yeah
[11:28] <patrick_> it says glibc version: 2.3.2
[11:28] <patrick_> ./setup: cannot connect to X server
[11:28] <aspro> get the non-rpm version
[11:29] <aspro> :)
[11:29] <patrick_> can someone help me installing openoffice 1.1.3
[11:29] <tux> and then copy it over to /usr ?
[11:29] <__daniel> jamaas: what product do you try to use?
[11:29] <aLi`> topyli, webmin wants root password to login..!
[11:29] <patrick_> ./setup: cannot connect to X server
[11:29] <bob2> jamaas: you have to create device files with mknod?
[11:29] <bob2> patrick_: are you running that as root?
[11:29] <visor> patrick_: isnt that version the one that comes already with ubuntu?
[11:29] <topyli> aLi`: oh yeah. do you have one set up?
[11:29] <jamaas> _daniel: am using pilot-link and j-pilot
[11:29] <aspro> tux, it should install it fine as it is
[11:30] <tux> well non rpm just installs to my home folder
[11:30] <__daniel> jamaas: and what product?
[11:30] <aspro> hmm
[11:30] <visor> patrick_: anyway you need to do something like this: ./sudo setup then prompt the password and there you go
[11:30] <aspro> well, you can copy it anywhere you want anyway, it will still work fine :)
[11:30] <jamaas> sorry, don't understand, the hardware is a handspring visor and this is on the latest release of Ubuntu
[11:30] <joolz> hm, i forgot... Where do I find the ubuntu live cd download (http, not bittorrent)?
[11:31] <aspro> i think
[11:31] <aspro> :P
[11:31] <bob2> jamaas: what *exact* steps do you have to do to get it to work?
[11:31] <visor> patrick_: did that help?
[11:31] <tux> apros, so  J2SE v 1.4.2_06  JRE  includes the JVM technology is waht i need ?
[11:31] <bob2> joolz: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/
[11:31] <__daniel> jamaas: ok... that's what i tried to ask for
[11:31] <bob2> joolz: same place as all the other isos
[11:31] <joolz> bob2: great, thanks!
[11:32] <__daniel> jamaas: try    modprobe visor     and     tail -f /var/log/syslog
[11:32] <jamaas> _daniel, will do, thanks!
[11:33] <patrick_> no
[11:33] <__daniel> jamaas: does it say something?
[11:33] <patrick_> i run the install script and it works fine
[11:33] <Harnak> Does anyone know if there are UT2003 AMD64 binaries?
[11:33] <spikeb> not that i know of
[11:34] <spikeb> i think only ut2004
[11:35] <jamaas> _daniel, yes it spit out some stuff, do you wan to see it all??
[11:36] <__daniel> jamaas: /query me and tell me
[11:38] <Harnak> thanks spikeb
[11:47] <KarlosII> what is a good commandline syntax for recording iso images to cd?
[11:48] <__daniel> KarlosII: cdrecord DEV=/dev/blah blubb.iso
[11:49] <altan> what's the command to change my windowing environment right now?
[11:49] <visor> looks like firefox still has the same issue while playing real streams (file not found or so)
[11:49] <altan> iirc there was a program that came with X, called xswitcher or something like that
[12:07] <altan> hi guys, how do I change my resolution and refresh rate in a non-gnome environment? xfce default to the login screen's res/hz, which is a very high resolution and a veyr low refresh rate
[12:07] <sabdfl> altan: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:08] <jono> which hal file updates my /etc/fstab when I plug a device in?
[12:08] <sabdfl> use with care
[12:08] <sabdfl> jono: none
[12:08] <jono> sabdfl, huh?
[12:08] <sabdfl> afaik it's handled by pmount, without changing fstab
[12:08] <altan> I tried that (sorry, I can't read your name in this res :/)
[12:08] <Tomcat_> automount doesn't use fstab either...
[12:08] <altan> I changed hte only available res type to 1280x1024 but it still doesn't work
[12:09] <stvn> altan: remove the high resolutions from the XF86Config-4 file
[12:09] <stvn> altan: need to restart X
[12:09] <jono> there was a script included with HAL and I thought distros needed to use that
[12:09] <altan> ah, I just tried logging off and on
[12:09] <altan> ok, brb then
[12:09] <stvn> altan: not enough ;)
[12:10] <visor> jono: it depends, AFAIK if when compiling, the fstab-sync flag was passed then hald automatically edits the file
[12:10] <visor> wich is i guess the way it was on ubuntu
[12:10] <jdub> jono: ubuntu doesn't use fstab sync
[12:10] <jdub> jono: because munging configuration files makes baby jesus cry
[12:10] <visor> or maybe iam just wring
[12:11] <visor> wrong
[12:12] <spikeb> perhaps if developers would quit writing tools that munged config files, baby jesus wouldn't cry so damn much.
[12:12] <sabdfl> how would i use find in a shell script to test if there are files in  directory tree called .orig?
[12:12] <jono> so how does pmount do it then, does it keep its own virtual fstab in memory or something?
[12:12] <sabdfl> jono: not sure, ask pitti
[12:12] <jono> is that Martin Pitt?
[12:12] <pitti> jono: I did not follow the discussion
[12:13] <pitti> jono: why should pmount keep its own fstab?
[12:13] <jono> pitti, I am just trying to understand why pmount is used instead of fstab-sync
[12:13] <jono> and how does pmount work?
[12:13] <pitti> jono: two reasons:
[12:14] <pitti> jono: 1) we do not want daemons mess up configuration files like fstab
[12:14] <pitti> jono: 2) we don't want hal run as root
[12:14] <jdub> pitti: you forgot the third reason
[12:14] <pitti> jono: pmount solves both
[12:14] <pitti> jdub: ?
[12:14] <jdub> 3) we do not want to upset baby jesus
[12:14] <jono> hehe
[12:14] <stvn> hehe
[12:14] <jono> jdub got that right
[12:14] <pitti> jdub: whoever that is...
[12:14] <jono> so how does pmount do it then? does it bypass fstab?
[12:15] <spikeb> jesus is gonna whip some butt here pretty quick
[12:15] <pitti> jdub: mind to enlighten me? :-)
[12:15] <pitti> jono: yes
[12:15] <pitti> jono: it uses its own policy and directly calls mount
[12:15] <jdub> pitti: (the son of god, who didn't cry when he was born)
[12:15] <jono> is there any documentation on how to set up pmount? I am writing an article on configuring project utopia you see, and this should be in it
[12:15] <pitti> jdub: of course I know "Jesus", I just thought you meant somebody else in particular
[12:15] <Keybuk> sabdfl: find /path -type d -exec "test -f {}/*.orig" \; -print 2>/dev/null
[12:16] <pitti> jono: it does not really need setup
[12:16] <jdub> pitti: it kinda weirded me out that you were asking ;)
[12:16] <Keybuk> or similar
[12:16] <pitti> jdub: I thought it were the nick of a security addict
[12:16] <jdub> oh
[12:16] <pitti> jdub: never mind :-)(
[12:16] <pitti> jono: pmount just needs to be installed
[12:17] <sabdfl> keybuk: will that exit -gt 0 if such a file exists?
[12:17] <jono> pitti,what about on non-debian systems?
[12:17] <pitti> jono: if you don't use the deb, you have to chmod 4755 the two binaries and put them into /usr/bin
[12:17] <jono> right
[12:17] <pitti> jono: make install does that, BTW
[12:17] <__daniel> test -z `find /dir/ -name '.orig' | wc -l`
[12:17] <pitti> jono: However, in Ubuntu we restricted pmount execution to members of group 'plugdev'
[12:17] <jono> then how does HAL call pmount when a device is added?
[12:17] <pitti> jono: i. e. real desktop users
[12:17] <jdub> jono: it requires patches elsewhere too (it's not really a member of project utopia)
[12:18] <pitti> jono: 1) kernel receives a hotplug event and sends it to hal
[12:18] <pitti> jono: 2) hal detects some stuff about the device, stores it into its db and notifies anything that listens to him
[12:18] <jono> right, so pmount listens for hal callbacks?
[12:18] <pitti> jono: 3) gnome-volume-manager (running as user) receives the hal message and calls pmount (as user)
[12:19] <pitti> jono: no, pmount is low-level and shall not have such dependencies
[12:19] <jono> oh right
[12:19] <jono> so gnome-volume-manager calls pmount
[12:19] <__daniel> keybuk: oh... you already answered it :-)
[12:19] <pitti> jono: it is more or less similar to mount, but with some additional privileges
[12:19] <pitti> jono: right, g-v-m does it
[12:19] <jono> was g-v-m patched to access pmount or is this in the stock g-v-m?
[12:19] <mjr> hmm, that plugdev group thing is probably the reason why my ubuntu dist-upgraded from sid doesn't automount stuff
[12:20] <pitti> jono: g-v-m is the manager that decides whether to mount it, whether to treat a device as camera and call gthumb instead and so on
[12:20] <pitti> jono: no, we patched it
[12:20] <jono> right, so I should look at including information on how to patch it
[12:20] <sabdfl> mjr: dist-upgrading could break in all sorts of interesting ways :-P
[12:20] <jono> is the patch available online?
[12:20] <pitti> jono: it's in the source package
[12:20] <Keybuk> sabdfl: mine prints out the directory trees with .orig files in it, __daniel's is probably closer to "exit 0 if there's a .orig here"
[12:20] <jono> oh right
[12:20] <pitti> jono: I can put it to somewhere if you want
[12:20] <mjr> sadyes, I am aware, so I haven't complained too loudly about that ;)
[12:20] <jono> is it likely that pmount support will be merged into the main g-v-m build?
[12:21] <sabdfl> i'm just looking for something i can test with in a shell script
[12:21] <jono> pitti, thats ok, I just need to write how the reader patches it
[12:21] <sabdfl> i want to exit 1 if there's a .orig or .rej below a certain dir
[12:21] <pitti> jono: hmm, I don't think that will happen in the near future
[12:21] <mjr> anyway, I did a clean install on my laptop already, and am getting a new desktop box anyway
[12:21] <jono> pitti, if I write this, could you have a look over it for me to check it is correct?
[12:21] <mjr> so hopefully soon I can bitch about _real_ bugs with abandon ;)
[12:21] <pitti> jono: BTW, the patch is trivial, it just exchanges '/bin/mount' with '/usr/bin/pmount'
[12:21] <pitti> jono: I will be my pleasure :-)
[12:21] <spikeb> wtf
[12:21] <jono> pitti, thanks :)
[12:22] <spikeb> the latest kernel source package is 2.6.7
[12:22] <pitti> jono: can you put it to a public place and IRC-ping me?
[12:22] <pitti> jono: you can also mail me
[12:22] <mjr> hmm, not sadyes but dabdfl
[12:22] <pitti> jono<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:22] <mjr> sab
[12:22] <mjr> damn me
[12:22] <jono> cheers pitti, I am really grateful, another person from canonical to buy a beer for :)
[12:22] <pitti> jono: I'm looking forward to it :-)
[12:23] <jono> I am determined to buy everyone who makes free software that I use daily a beer, that includes you as well jdub
[12:23] <pitti> jono: where do you want to publish that, BTW?
[12:23] <Keybuk> sabdfl: test -z $(find /path -name "*.orig" -or -name "*.rej" -print)
[12:24] <sabdfl> keybuk: gem, thank you
[12:24] <sabdfl> Keybuk: that exits 0 if there are NO files, 1 if there are?
[12:25] <Keybuk> yes
[12:25] <sabdfl> great
[12:25] <Keybuk> you could do:  if [ -z $(find /path -name "*.orig" -or -name "*.rej" -print) ] ; then ...
[12:27] <spikeb> ahh there we go
[12:27] <ntoll> can I use standard debian packages with Ubuntu
[12:27] <ntoll> ?
[12:28] <stvn> ntoll: it's not advisable
[12:28] <ntoll> you see, I notice that there are Lilypond packages for amd64 and PPC in universe but not for i386. I wanted to try the debian i386 version.
[12:29] <SeArCh-> hi
[12:29] <ntoll> hi
[12:29] <stvn> ntoll: huh, i don't see any lilypond packages, what are they called?
[12:29] <ntoll> lilypond
[12:29] <ntoll> :-P
[12:30] <ntoll> I got there with a google on UBUNTU Lilypond
[12:30] <stvn> :)
[12:30] <sabdfl> what's lilypond?
[12:30] <ntoll> a music typsetter
[12:31] <ntoll> roflol
[12:31] <ntoll> GNU music typsetter
[12:31] <sabdfl> if its not in ubuntu i'm happy to arrange for the maintainer to be able to upload it
[12:31] <stvn> ntoll: you *can* install debian packages but you've to check dependencies very careful
[12:31] <ntoll> nice printed music manuscript from a markup language
[12:31] <ntoll> hmmm.... how can I find out why there are amd64 and PPC lilypond packages but NOT i386?
[12:32] <ntoll> and who should I tell to get the package built
[12:32] <ntoll> I assume as it exists for other platforms it can't be too hard to have in the i386 branch of ubuntu?
[12:32] <stvn> ntoll: universe is not relly supported, so you can only *ask* if someone wants to do it
[12:33] <ntoll> stvn: I installed ubuntu yesterday so I'm still finding stuff out - who and how (email) do I contact?
[12:34] <sabdfl> ntoll: is it in universe or multiverse?
[12:35] <ntoll> universe
[12:35] <ntoll> whats multiverse?
[12:35] <jdub> ntoll: ubuntu-user mailing list, generally
[12:36] <ntoll> not the developers list (as they prolly maintain the packages)?
[12:37] <PandU> I wont to enable FTP between 2 machins for file transfer both are ubuntu, can anybody help
[12:37] <sabdfl> ntoll: multiverse is software that we are even less supportive of than universe
[12:37] <sabdfl> usually because of licensing concerns
[12:37] <stvn> lol
[12:38] <ntoll> aha
[12:38] <ntoll> thanks
[12:38] <altan> hi, what's the command to run synaptic? I tried a launcher for sudo synaptic but it won't work
[12:38] <ntoll> synaptic
[12:38] <__daniel> altan: gksu synaptic
[12:38] <altan> thanks
[12:39] <Pizbit> altan: It's in the Computer -> System Configuration menu
[12:40] <stvn> PandU: you need to install a ftp-server on one or both machines
[12:41] <PandU> stvn, is it not installed by default with ubuntu
[12:41] <stvn> PandU: open synaptic and search for ftp, It looks like ubuntu prefers vsftd
[12:42] <stvn> PandU: you install that ftp server(or any other if you prefer another one) and an ftp client like gftp if you want a gui ftp-client
[12:42] <SeArCh-> does unbuntu also use apt-get (feta) command to update software or to install
[12:42] <SeArCh-> ?
[12:43] <__daniel> SeArCh-: yes
[12:43] <SeArCh-> tnx
[12:44] <PandU> stvn, I did not find vsftpd, there is pure , pro, p , wu-ftpd which one is best
[12:45] <altan> Pizbit: I just started xfce rather than gnome
[12:45] <Pizbit> Ah
[12:45] <altan> I want to remove gnome, but it affects like 80% of the programs on the machine
[12:45] <altan> is it "safe" to remove gnome?
[12:46] <jono> so is HAL normally run as root in other distros but not in ubuntu?
[12:47] <stvn> PandU: strange that you do not see vsftpd, anyway pure or wu are fine
[12:47] <jono> is Michiel Sikkes in here?
[12:47] <binary_10> hi, can someone tell how to stop ubuntu from changing the bios clock? its messing up my clock in windows
[12:48] <Pizbit> binary_10: Uhm, so who's getting it wrong? Windows or ubuntu?
[12:48] <PandU> stvn, thanks i think i will install wu-ftpd
[12:48] <stvn> binary_10: checked the faq?
[12:48] <stuNNed> is there a way to install blackdown java?
[12:48] <stvn> stuNNed: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:48] <binary_10> Pizbit, well ubuntu has the right time.. it changes my bios clock to +8 hours making my windows wrong
[12:48] <stuNNed> stvn, thanks
[12:49] <jazzka> how can I make an audio cd with ubuntu? I've got music in mp3 format
[12:50] <stvn> binary_10: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.4373491988
[12:50] <binary_10> i need to work on my searching skill
[12:50] <binary_10> skills
[12:50] <binary_10> thanks stvn
[12:51] <PandU> stvn, I still have no connection what port does wu-ftpd use
[12:51] <stvn> PandU: normal ftp
[12:51] <stvn> PandU: is it running?
[12:52] <PandU> stvn, normal port is 23
[12:52] <stvn> PandU: actually I don't know, but if you do ftp <yourhost> it will use the default port
[12:53] <PandU> stvn, I am able to connect command line but with GUI i put 23 and not connecting
[12:53] <stvn> PandU: don't put a port number and try again
[12:54] <stvn> PandU: I think it's 20 or 21
[12:54] <PandU> stvn, thanks its 21
[01:02] <jazzka> does k3b auto convert mp3 files to audio format?
[01:02] <jazzka> like Nero does?
[01:02] <stvn> it should
[01:03] <ozan> hi, i have a problem :( this morning after i tried to log in to my gnome-session i got an error saying that can't write to .ICEauthority file ... i tried another user and it was running. i looked .ICEauthority file and its ownership was for both root. i had't changed it but it was root. interesting :) i tried "sudo chown oenginoglu.oenginoglu .ICEauthority" but it didn't worked out. i tried to open root terminal but i get "Failed to run
[01:03] <ozan>  /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status" error message. pls help... i can't be root anymore :(
[01:04] <Nikz> Hi, I've got 4 lan cards and I've setup'd eth3 (the last one) to bring up internet connection, now where can I activate eth0 and the others? Is there any good gateway tutorial?
[01:04] <Pizbit> sudo -s not work too?
[01:05] <ozan> Pizbit: no it didn't work too.
[01:06] <Treenaks> ozan: just remove that file
[01:06] <Treenaks> ozan: the iceauthority one
[01:06] <ozan> but i can't be root. how can i remove it
[01:07] <Pizbit> sudo rm ?
[01:07] <ozan> no, doesn't work
[01:07] <Treenaks> ozan: it's your homedir.. just rm it
[01:08] <spiv_> ozan: If the file is in your home directory, you can delete it, even if some else owns it.
[01:08] <Nikz> have you tried root terminal?
[01:08] <spiv_> (Because you're changing the directory, not the file, it's the permissions on the directory that matter..)
[01:08] <ozan> yes, can't open
[01:08] <Treenaks> btw, lots of problems with ICEauthority.. why are you running X programs as root?
[01:10] <ozan> i didn't changed its ownerships. yesterday everything was ok but today i can't even enter
[01:10] <ozan> i removed the file
[01:11] <ozan> will gnome recreate it?
[01:13] <ozan> i am gonna check it
[01:24] <MyKq3> hello i have alsa installed on my Ubuntu but i don't have the ~/.asoundrc nor the /etc/modules.con should i just crate them ?
[01:25] <Pizbit> Yeah, might want to stop esd from starting when you log into gnome though
[01:26] <atariboy`> silly non ubuntu question: how do i allow listing of a dir using a .htaccess file? i get a 403 at the moment
[01:26] <Harnak> Does anyone know where I can find info on how to get kde to be a valid session to be selected when using GDM?
[01:27] <MyKq3> Pizbit,  it was for me ?
[01:27] <Pizbit> MyKq3: Yeah
[01:28] <LinuxJones> Harnak, it wasn't added by default ?
[01:28] <Pizbit> Anyone know about how to set what thunderbird calls the "IMAP Server Directory" in evolution?
[01:28] <MyKq3> Pizbit,  can u expline me a bit more about esd plz ... i m a newbi =\
[01:29] <Harnak> no... maybe I didn't select all the packages in synaptic..
[01:29] <stvn> Pizbit: check recieving options, i think it's over ride server supplied namespace
[01:29] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, if you run gstreamer-properties you can select which sound system Gnome uses
[01:29] <Harnak> I choose the ubuntu3.2.3 debs..
[01:30] <Pizbit> stvn: I've tried that and it didnt' seem to work, do I need to kill off evolution to get that to work?:)
[01:30] <LinuxJones> Harnak, if you have kde installed you should only have to logout then Under Session (I think) you can change to a KDE session
[01:30] <stuNNed> is there similar command `rpm -qa|grep substr` with apt?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, apt-cache search <packagename>
[01:31] <stvn> Pizbit: might be a good option to restart evo
[01:31] <Pizbit> stvn: No joy
[01:31] <Harnak> LinuxJones.. alright.. let me give that another shot
[01:31] <stuNNed> LinuxJones, that will list installed packages?
[01:31] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah it was the 1st thingy i have done to solve this problem i have with my sound card so i could play several things at once
[01:31] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, alsa is nice :)
[01:32] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah :))) i found a nice guide that i m trying to work with . u might want to take a look on it  ^^  ( http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/alsa/ )
[01:33] <stvn> Pizbit: what is the folder called on the server?
[01:33] <Pizbit> Mail
[01:33] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  there r one more link on the gudie check it u might b amazed what u can do with alsa ^^
[01:33] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, it's a search feature or you can dpkg -l | grep whatever
[01:33] <Pizbit> Works as expected in thunderbird so I know I got it right heh:)
[01:34] <stuNNed> LinuxJones, ah, that's what i was looking for, thanks :)
[01:34] <stvn> Pizbit: so it is Mail/INBOX for the inbox?
[01:34] <bigbrother0074> is DC++ available for ubuntu or anything?
[01:36] <stuNNed> is there a way to uninstall evolution and just use thunderbird?
[01:37] <Pizbit> stvn: Erm, since I'm bad an explaining stuff, to explain what I'm seeing I created this:) http://img99.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img99&image=evolution-thunderbird.png
[01:40] <stvn> Pizbit: oh hm, you could try to copy the personal namespace of tbird as namespace in evo and do disable 'show only subscribed folders'
[01:40] <stvn> Pizbit: I had quite some trouble to get evo and tbird play nice on the same imap account
[01:41] <stvn> Pizbit: I ended up letting evo decide the layout and Tbird just copying it
[01:41] <Pizbit> Heh
[01:41] <Pizbit> Works easier that way eh?
[01:41] <stvn> Pizbit: evo is much less flexible than tbird
[01:42] <Pizbit> Noticed heh
[01:42] <stvn> :)
[01:42] <stvn> other than that evo is nice though
[01:42] <Pizbit> It's filtering is slooowww
[01:43] <Pizbit> But hey, it integrates into the gnome-panel through some nifty applets:)
[01:43] <stvn> :)
[01:46] <jono> is there a guide to writing FDI files for HAL anywhere?
[01:50] <Pizbit> Argh, sleep time, long ago!
[01:51] <lml> Anybody know hos to get transcode installed under Ubuntu? I can find Gtranscode and it is dependant on a transcode package which apparently is not there.
[01:51] <lml> s/hos/how
[01:52] <LinuxJones> lml, I have a listing for it. Do you have the universe repository enabled ?
[01:53] <lml> LinuxJones: Yep and mulitverse, but maybe I am expirencing another problem. Lately when I have run apt-get update the process finishes very quickly and tells me that all lists are allready there.
[01:54] <LinuxJones> lml, the repositories are frozen so there are not many updates except for security fixes.
[01:55] <lml> LinuxJones: Hmm, I cannot find the transcode package anywhere in my repositories. Is the package name transcode in the lists you have?
[01:55] <Treenaks> isn't transcode in the marillat repository?
[01:56] <lml> Treenaks: marillat repository?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> lml, apt-cache search transcode outputs >> transcode - Utility to encode raw video/audio streams
[01:56] <Treenaks> lml: wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:56] <Treenaks> uh
[01:56] <Treenaks> without the extra /wiki/
[01:56] <Treenaks> Stupid Wikipedia is in my fingers :)
[01:57] <LinuxJones> lml, Treenaks is probably correct I didn't realize I had that repo enabled sorry :)
[01:57] <lml> Hmm, I use to have that repository enabled - somehow it has disappeared. Checking as I write...
[02:00] <letheus> am i the only one, who has problems running MPlayer?
[02:01] <nate> anyone having problems doing an upgrade with Synaptic?
[02:01] <Treenaks> nate: no
[02:01] <letheus> nate, no
[02:01] <LinuxJones> letheus, I think mplayer has some broken dependencies right now.
[02:02] <lml> Treenaks & LinuxJones: Are there other repos I need to use? I have found the trancode package but is missing dependencies for libjasper and libquicktime?
[02:02] <nate> hmm
[02:02] <Treenaks> lml: don't know, sorry
[02:02] <letheus> LinuxJones, ok. Well, i just want to asf-files.
[02:04] <Gmail> LOL i was on the phone with a friend and he said: linux crashes more than m$, and i ask him how many times did you need to restart linux so far? he answers zero. then i ask him how many times did you have to restart windoze? he answers about 5 times a day.
[02:04] <LinuxJones> letheus, I think if you install the win32 codec package it will provide asf file support.
[02:04] <lml> Treenaks and LinuxJones: thx - at least I got a little further this time. Will try to locate the missing packages.
[02:05] <letheus> LinuxJones, ok. I?ll try that. Thanks :)
[02:06] <LinuxJones> letheus, then use gxine until someone fixes mplayer :)
[02:07] <letheus> LinuxJones, ok
[02:08] <letheus> Gmail, jerk :)
[02:10] <stvn> letheus: or install mplayer manually - that's what i did
[02:12] <kent> Totem with the xine-engine works aswell. Then you dont need to install manually.
[02:13] <stvn> kent: true, but i have a slow computer and mplayer just squeezes that extra bit of power needed to play movies
[02:13] <zaydana> hey peeps... can somebody tell me how to retry configuring my modem with DHCP after i've installed ubuntu?
[02:15] <lml> Is universe the test repo or is there an actual test or unstable repo for Ubuntu?
[02:16] <stvn> lml: there will be testing repro for hoarty - AFAIK it's not yet there
[02:17] <stvn> hoary
[02:17] <angie75> hi there
[02:17] <stvn> hi
[02:19] <letheus> stvn, ok
[02:22] <LinuxJones> zaydana, >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking
[02:22] <zaydana> k thanks
[02:25] <GotD0t> RC1 got released
[02:25] <GotD0t> err
[02:25] <GotD0t> for firefox
[02:26] <ken> hi, anyone know the relation between ubuntu live and gnoppix ?
[02:26] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, it's going gold on Nov. 8th I think
[02:26] <Riddell> ken: they are different projects m,ade by different people
[02:26] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: really?
[02:26] <lhb> ken: found out myself today that gnoppix is based on ubuntu
[02:26] <LinuxJones> ken, Ubuntu Live CD is based on Morphix which is a derivative of Knoppix
[02:27] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, ya
[02:27] <kro> Whats the easiest way to create an iso using ubuntu?
[02:27] <kro> For instance, I want to make my own iso image of the ubuntu installer.
[02:27] <ken> i d/l gnoppix 0.8.2rc2 and found that it is same as ubuntu live release !
[02:27] <stvn> LinuxJones: i thought that morphix is a derivative of gnoppix that being a derivative of knoppix ;)
[02:28] <ken> i think: gnoppix from morphix from knoppix
[02:28] <LinuxJones> stvn, gnoppix is a derivative of Morphix as well, There are too many distros to keep track of :)
[02:28] <stvn> true
[02:28] <GotD0t> just by looking at the name morphix sounds like the original
[02:29] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, Morphix makes it super easy to create your own customized distro
[02:29] <ken> morphix tries to be modular, it uses mainmodule and minimodules
[02:29] <GotD0t> whats the U command do?
[02:30] <stvn> GotD0t: dist-upgrade
[02:30] <kro> So no one here has created an iso using Ubuntu?
[02:30] <stvn> GotD0t: or upgrade dunno really, but at least mark all updatable packages
[02:31] <lhb> the contact info on the gnoppix site says it all :)
[02:31] <GotD0t> ok... well i gotta leave for class
[02:31] <GotD0t> bya ll
[02:31] <kent> I think that the "About Ubuntu" in the menu on the panel should open a program that shows some information about the system running, and information about updates (security etc), and newer releases, and so on.  As it is now, it only shows the Ubuntu homepage.
[02:32] <GotD0t> bye all*
[02:32] <LinuxJones> kro, I think you can do it with xcdroast
[02:32] <kro> seems like there is no gnome app currently on par with k3b
[02:32] <bob2> kent: you can file an enhancement bug about that if you like
[02:32] <LinuxJones> kro, no not at all :(
[02:32] <kent> bob2, where is the Ubuntu bugzilla?
[02:33] <jono> where are hal fdi files located?
[02:33] <bob2> kent: /topic
[02:33] <stvn> plaatje vergeten
[02:33] <kro> Oh well, I just enabled the universe and I'm gonna install k3b.
[02:33] <kent> bob2, i found it.
[02:33] <kro> Why was bugzilla chosen over the Debian BTS?
[02:33] <Gmail> does any one know where i can insert a word and it use figlets to do its stuff
[02:34] <angie75> hi there
[02:34] <LinuxJones> kro, k3b will cause problems on your system right now, I recently removed k3b :)
[02:34] <bob2> Gmail: erm, run figlet?
[02:34] <angie75> I would like to add some video codecs, any suggestions?
[02:34] <kro> LinuxJones: great.  What problems can I expect?
[02:34] <Gmail> bob2: i dont seem to have it installed
[02:34] <MyKq3> after i m type cat /proc/asound/cards i resive a plot  0 [AudioPCI       ] : ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI that means that i SoundCard is card 0 ?
[02:34] <bob2> Gmail: so install it
[02:35] <bob2> angie75: RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[02:35] <LinuxJones> kro, when you run k3b you can't log back into gnome (after shutdown) you have to delete a file in your home dir to get back into gnome
[02:35] <angie75> bob2: uh tnx  :-) any sughgested videoplayer?
[02:35] <bob2> angie75: mplayer doesn't get my way
[02:36] <kro> LinuxJones: that sucks.  What file did you delete?
[02:36] <Striss> hey all...I'm wondering if theres any way to get Flash working in Firefox in Ubuntu PPC?
[02:36] <Gmail> bob2: i can by apt or do i have to use the perl way of installing scripts?
[02:36] <angie75> bob2: I probably need to compile it
[02:36] <kro> Striss: I think you're doomed.
[02:36] <LinuxJones> kro, you will have to delete .ICEauthority
[02:36] <Gmail> Striss: flsh working here
[02:36] <Striss> good lord
[02:36] <Striss> Gmail, how?
[02:37] <Gmail> add universe to your sources.list
[02:37] <Striss> i cant find a flash plugin that works for ppc
[02:37] <altan> is it just me, or are the ubuntu Synaptic mirrors horribly slow
[02:37] <bob2> Gmail: apt-cache search figlet, dude
[02:37] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  r u sure i think its enough just to recalme it  ( to move back the promision to his user  .. )
[02:37] <Gmail> then apt-get install flash
[02:37] <altan> i'm getting numbers like 300 bytes per second
[02:37] <Striss> Gmail, ok i'll try that
[02:37] <bob2> Gmail: do you know the difference between ppc and i386?
[02:38] <Gmail> Striss: it might be no be in ubuntu so get it from debian
[02:38] <LinuxJones> altan, it depends on your route to the servers I get great speeds :)
[02:38] <Gmail> bob2: yes
[02:38] <kro> Striss: I think your only hope is swf-player, but its not that good.
[02:38] <Striss> Gmail, that didnt work
[02:38] <bob2> Gmail: there's no package called "flash" in Debian, either
[02:38] <bob2> Striss: ignore Gmail
[02:38] <altan> hmm, I'm on dialup, but it shouldn't be THIS slow
[02:38] <Striss> ok
[02:38] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, ya it will get re-created automagically :)
[02:38] <Gmail> Striss: then its flash-nonfree
[02:38] <Gmail> or something like that
[02:38] <zaydana> LinuxJones - thanks :) Got it working.
[02:39] <kro> Gmail: the non-free flash doesn't exist for ppc.
[02:39] <Striss> there isnt a firefox plugin for flash ppc Gmail
[02:39] <bob2> Gmail: do you actually know that Macromedia has released a binary version of flash for ppc, or are you guessing?
[02:39] <bob2> Gmail: if you're guessing, please stop
[02:39] <Striss> i can't believe I won't be able to view flash pages, this is depressing
[02:39] <kro> All we have on ppc is swf-player.
[02:39] <Striss> almost makes me want to go back to os x
[02:39] <kro> Which I haven't had much luck with.
[02:39] <Gmail> bob2: the is also libswf
[02:39] <bob2> Gmail: yes, but that's not what you said
[02:40] <Gmail> Striss: you want a GPL'd uncomplete flash lib?
[02:40] <Striss> what
[02:40] <Gmail> bob2: well there is alway flash 4 mac
[02:40] <bob2> Gmail: can you stop it?
[02:40] <Striss> i'm not sure you know what you're talking about Gmail
[02:40] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah ^^ but remmber that he might burn it as a root .... and then we r back to point 1
[02:40] <Gmail> Striss: you want an uncomplete unoffical flash lib?
[02:41] <Striss> i want a flash plugin for firefox in ppc, i don't believe it exists
[02:41] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, I think he has to burn as root that's the problem :)
[02:41] <lifeless> Mithrandir: amd64 hangs - kernel oops 002
[02:41] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  thatz what i m saying ...
[02:41] <Gmail> Striss: there is something will play *some* flash files
[02:41] <Striss> Gmail, and what is that
[02:43] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  he will allways bune cdz as a root ( for the pramision ) so any time the  .ICEauthority will b recrated it will b in the ownership of the root user ...
[02:43] <Mithrandir> lifeless: randomly or when doing foo?
[02:43] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, ya I know :)
[02:44] <Gmail> Striss: wait a sec
[02:44] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, but it shouldn't do that
[02:44] <lifeless> Mithrandir: when using the machine :|
[02:44] <lifeless> doesn't happen with an ix86 install on the same box
[02:45] <Striss> What sound server is gnome2.8 using?
[02:45] <Gmail> Striss: libflash0, libswfdec0
[02:46] <Gmail> not sure about the second one deing in ppc
[02:46] <Striss> wondering how i can play a .wav file while mp3's are playing
[02:46] <Gmail> Striss: and swf-player
[02:46] <sator> striss use bplay
[02:47] <LinuxJones> Striss, esd or alsa in gstreamer-properties you can change it there. Depending on your hardware that is.
[02:48] <Striss> my mp3 player works fine, and system events will play while i have mp3's on...But in aMSN i need to to tell it what app to use to play the sound events
[02:48] <benjanet> Where do i change the language of my Ubuntu, i want to go from Spanish->English
[02:48] <Gmail> Striss: i am not sure on the type of support swf-player wound have but it does do the *basic* job
[02:49] <mjr> essentially you can forget about interactive flash stuff with swf-player but you might get the animated commercials ;)
[02:49] <Striss> what app goes gnome use to trigger sound events?
[02:50] <mjr> and incidentally, anyone wanting flash for an unsupported platform should bug macromedia a bit about freeing the player :)
[02:50] <Treenaks> mjr: s/wanting flash for an unsupported platform//
[02:51] <Gmail> Striss: gstreamer
[02:51] <jordi> Gmail: or esound, depends on what he means
[02:52] <Gmail> jordi: or oss or alsa if you changed it from the defualt settings
[02:52] <Mithrandir> lifeless: it's kinda hard to debug without more information..
[02:53] <jordi> Gmail: the actual program that talks to the device is esound, if in use
[02:53] <Striss> Gmail, is there anyway I can get gstreamer to play a wav file?
[02:53] <jordi> that's what I mean.
[02:53] <Striss> i just need to figure this out so i can get aMSN to play sound events
[02:54] <lhb> jordi: you saw that one coming :)
[02:54] <jordi> Striss: that depends on what amsn uses to do sound. :)
[02:54] <jordi> lhb: heh
[02:54] <lifeless> Mithrandir: what would you like - dmesg? transcribed (all 3 lines) of oops?
[02:54] <NewComer> Striss: how about converting them to some other format that gstreamer support, and still name them *.wav
[02:54] <Striss> jordi, it has a field that you fill out, to tell it what application to use to trigger a sound event
[02:55] <Mithrandir> lifeless: oops would be a start, yes.
[02:55] <Striss> right now it's set to use "play"
[02:55] <lifeless> I'll copy n paste for you shortly.
[02:55] <lifeless> (manual that is)
[02:55] <Mithrandir> lifeless: thanks
[02:56] <jordi> Striss: I guess that'd be a problem, because play will want to use the device, which is probably locked by esound already.
[02:56] <Gmail> amsn uses the comand server of your chose
[02:56] <sid77> question: where are saved iptables rules?
[02:56] <Striss> jordi, exactly, thats why i want to figure out what command line i replace play with
[02:56] <Gmail> Striss: just use: play <file>
[02:57] <Striss> Gmail, that doesn't work
[02:57] <Gmail> wtf
[02:57] <Striss> ie, what jordi said
[02:58] <bob2> sid77: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz
[02:58] <Gmail> Striss: do you have the write modules probed for sound?
[02:58] <jordi> Gmail: I don't expect play to grok esound too well. :)
[02:58] <Striss> sound works fine
[02:58] <jordi> Gmail: he just needs a play replacement that does esound.
[02:58] <Striss> if i knew what commandline to issue instead of play i'd be fine
[02:58] <Striss> gnome sound events work fine
[02:58] <jordi> is xmms included in ubuntu?
[02:58] <jordi> that might be an overkill, but...
[02:58] <Gmail> use rplay <file>
[02:58] <MyKq3> Striss,  have u fixed the problem  ?
[02:59] <jordi> Striss: maybe there's something good in esound-clients
[02:59] <Striss> rplay is not a command
[02:59] <Gmail> but make sure rplay is config to use esound
[02:59] <Striss> MyKq3, nope
[02:59] <Gmail> Striss: apt-get install rplay
[02:59] <jordi> Striss: there appears to be a "esdplay" in -clients.
[02:59] <Striss> i'm a little hesitant to try that
[03:00] <MyKq3> Striss  okay thats what we will do
[03:00] <Striss> i was wondering why esdplay wasn't there
[03:00] <Striss> i have esd but no esdplay
[03:00] <jordi> probably the clients package is not useful to the average ubuntu user
[03:00] <Striss> ahh ok now we're getting somewhere
[03:00] <MyKq3> Striss. type this comand tell me that u resive  cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:01] <jordi> MyKq3: sounds works ok. It's just the play command.
[03:01] <Striss> yeah
[03:01] <sid77> bob2, tnx
[03:01] <Striss> jordi, can i just apt-get esound-clients ?
[03:01] <MyKq3> Striss,  he sayed he can't start two soud servers on the same time .... and that he used alsa... didn't he ?
[03:02] <Striss> no no
[03:02] <MyKq3> sorry it was for jordi
[03:02] <Striss> I think jordi has me all fixed up
[03:02] <Striss> i'll know in a minute
[03:02] <jordi> Striss: I assume so, I have no ubuntu systems up running rght now
[03:02] <MyKq3> ohh okay ...
[03:02] <MyKq3> gl to ya man ^^
[03:02] <Striss> jordi, w00t it worked! all i needed was esdplay, thanks
[03:03] <jordi> Striss: great!
[03:03] <Striss> i'll send you a chocolate cake in the mail
[03:03] <Striss> i owe you one
[03:03] <jordi> hehe, np!
[03:03] <bob2> jordi: traitor!
[03:04] <jordi> bob2: because no ubuntu box running? Well, I'm doing packages for Debian in this very rght moment you know :)
[03:04] <bob2> jordi: excuses :-p
[03:04] <jordi> I know, but the general public will accept that as a valid excuse :)
[03:04] <bob2> hehe
[03:05] <Gmail> jordi uses debain!
[03:06] <Gmail> jordi: run ubuntu and debian
[03:06] <Gmail> on the same box
[03:06] <MyKq3> g night ppl
[03:06] <jordi> Gmail: sure :)
[03:06] <Gmail> with the same /home partion
[03:06] <Gmail> jordi: whats taking so long