[18:13] <StudioUser77> Please guide me for mannual partition
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> Wallpaper competition? Sure! https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-studio-24-04-wallpaper-competition/42528
[20:12] <acoustic_mirror> Eickmeyer: That was fast, Erich! :) (Submitted one idea. Working on another one now - might take a couple of days or more.)
[20:13] <oerheks> 🥳
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> acoustic_mirror: It was already in my head to do this week, so when you asked I was like... "Uh... uhm... 👀 no comment." 😂
[20:17] <arraybolt3> I'd join (and I might still), but I think probably almost noone likes my fractal wallpapers except me :P
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: You'd be surprised. Eylul is one of the judges and she's into abstract.
[20:19] <acoustic_mirror> arraybolt3: I remember some very, very nice fractal wallpapers from the 16.04 (?) competition? I'm all in for more procedural wallpaper work. (Right now, I'm generating Shephard tones and working with visualization. Will submit, if it works out well.)
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> 16.04.. that was 2 years B.E. (Before Erich), so I wasn't involved, but they're in the ubuntustudio-wallpapers-xenial package.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> Anything older is in ubuntustudio-wallpapers-legacy.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> I had submitted this one to the Lunar contest IIRC: https://i.imgur.com/Tbd8df9.jpg
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> Not bad. Not sure it'd go with Studio's whole color scheme, but not bad.
[20:27] <arraybolt3> Studio is like gray and blue right? That's the impression I always got from it.
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: You'd be correct. If you look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase and scroll down you can see the official colors. (man, that page needs some updating as it's outdated with the new logos.


[10:33] <sande> Hi!
[10:34] <sande> I am facing issues with Bluetooth on my Xubuntu 18.04 where it shows no adapters found!
[10:34] <sande> Any assistance would be appreciated
[13:42] <Sasha2> Hello
[14:00] <Sasha2> All hello!
[14:08] <rud0lf> what sort of greeting is "all hello"?
[14:08] <rud0lf> foreach nickname say "hi $nickname"
[14:20] <Kumool> that's
[14:20] <Kumool> just no
[14:20] <Kumool> leave me alone
[14:20] <Kumool> but hi rud0lf
[14:34] <santana> hello
[14:39] <nikolam> I can't get resolution automatically to 1920X1080, when I put new monitor on DVI->VGA port of AMD 7850 on Xubuntu 19.10
[14:39] <nikolam> I get only resolution 1024X768
[14:40] <nikolam> Philips 23" is only recognized ad "Digital Display", while at the same time, on integrated Intel graphics, 17" CRT on VGA port form motherboard (i5 4570 intel graphics) recognizes it's 1280X1024
[14:41] <santana> what does mean the xubuntu symbol?
[14:42] <nikolam> santana, what do you mean? Logo? Xfce Logo is a mouse.
[14:43] <nikolam> you can change it on properties
[14:44] <nikolam> I bet Xubuntu uses variant/themed xfce mouse so different logo is used for Xubuntu
[14:46] <Kumool> nikolam: what does xrandr output?
[14:46] <Kumool> wait, I can't solve this!
[14:46] <Kumool> go to #Ubuntu
[14:46] <santana> a xfce symbol in xubuntu.... But why a mouse?
[14:47] <Kumool> santana: ask in #xfce
[14:47] <Kumool> who even knows that answer?
[14:47] <Kumool> because mouse is small and fast?
[14:47] <Kumool> maybe?
[14:47] <Kumool> unlike gnome
[14:47] <Kumool> which is an rhino
[14:47] <Kumool> probably
[14:47] <Kumool> kde is probably a sloth
[14:47] <nikolam> Back on monitor issues, I have ready 5-monitor.conf  /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/5-monitor.conf , but it prooved being a problem if I change monitor and put it on 7850 output, it keeps pushing 1920X1080 no matter what monitor is. https://pastebin.com/wcpSrkNV
[14:48] <santana> thanks guys
[14:49] <Kumool> go to #ubuntu
[14:49] <nikolam> santana, you can maybe ask on /j #xfce :P  Every project have some symbol. You can always recompile it with different name/branding and call it something like "Cowfce" and put cow there :D
[14:49] <Kumool> friggin hate xorg issues
[14:49] <nikolam> He didin't hear that.
[14:49] <nikolam> ok.
[14:50] <Kumool> I have a xorg issue with my raspberry pi
[14:50] <Kumool> damn thing is on 800x600
[14:50] <Kumool> still haven't solved it
[14:53] <nikolam> Kumool, you can fix it with 5-monitor.conf like I did, but resolution is then forced like that
[15:46] <xubuntu60w> Hello, I was installing Xubuntu on my laptop and it cannot ext4 partition not created
[15:46] <xubuntu60w> It failed to create file system on the disk
[15:48] <diogenes_> xubuntu60w, you dual boot?
[16:37] <fabibz> Happy days, installing a clean xubuntu 18.04, my former unbuntu 16.04 was messed up when upgrading to 18.04
[16:38] <fabibz> done, rebooting now...
[18:29] <jdwwatts> Merry Christmas
[18:31] <diogenes_> Merry Christmas
[18:35] <rud0lf> Very Christmas


[00:52] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i may have found another --force case. it seems an app with a hook error in the install hook cannot be removed. not sure if you've come across that before
[00:53] <babbageclunk> blech
[00:53] <babbageclunk> no, I haven't seen that. At least it's easy to reproduce!
[00:53] <wallyworld> yeah, i had the ubuntu charm locally with an exit 1 in the instal lhook
[00:53] <wallyworld> and remove --force didn't
[00:54] <wallyworld> will add it to the queue of things to look at
[00:54] <babbageclunk> ok
[00:55] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: so yeah, can confirm that it works for iaas, i'll try and investigate
[00:56] <kelvinliu> so it must be somewhere was missing for caas
[02:30] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: got this PR to fix encoding issue on secret data, +1 plz https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10621  thanks!
[02:30] <wallyworld> ok
[02:36] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: why is it dcoding the base54 data? the k8s secret spec Data attribute expects encoded data doesn't it?
[02:37] <kelvinliu> k8s always trys to encode
[02:37] <kelvinliu> again
[02:39] <wallyworld> hmmmm, that seems to be in conflict with the comment on the Data attribute?
[02:39] <wallyworld> 	// Data contains the secret data. Each key must consist of alphanumeric
[02:39] <wallyworld> 	// characters, '-', '_' or '.'. The serialized form of the secret data is a
[02:39] <wallyworld> 	// base64 encoded string, representing the arbitrary (possibly non-string) data value here.
[02:40] <wallyworld> the yaml examples appear to pass in encoded data
[02:45] <kelvinliu> i tested
[02:46] <kelvinliu> if we pass encoded  to data directly, k8s will encode it again
[02:47] <wallyworld> i guess i don't understand why k8s struct needs to be created with unencoded values for both Data and StringData when the yaml doesn't
[02:48] <wallyworld> ie
[02:48] <wallyworld> stringData:
[02:48] <wallyworld>   username: administrator
[02:48] <wallyworld> vs
[02:48] <wallyworld> data:
[02:48] <wallyworld>   username: YWRtaW5pc3RyYXRvcg==
[02:48] <wallyworld> Where YWRtaW5pc3RyYXRvcg== decodes to administrator
[02:49] <kelvinliu> when u mkubectl get -o yaml, the stringData is merged to Data and encoded as well
[02:50] <kelvinliu> after applied, no stringData and no raw strings anymore, and all encoded.
[02:50] <kelvinliu> StringData is just a helper func
[02:51] <wallyworld> so you say "encode"
[02:51] <wallyworld> but the PR decodes
[02:51] <kelvinliu> we decode, then k8s encode
[02:51] <wallyworld> ok
[02:52] <kelvinliu> if we don't decode, kubectl get result will be double encoded
[02:53] <wallyworld> seems weird to me but if that's how k8s works then who am i to argue. lgtm, ty
[02:55] <kelvinliu> thx
[02:58] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: i am still testing the resource upgrade thing. seems to work on 2.7, so i'll test again on 2.6 to see what's happenng
[02:58] <kelvinliu> so it works on caas 2.7?
[03:04] <wallyworld> i think so
[03:04] <wallyworld> but i need to check more since it seems broken earlier
[03:11] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: ah, it works only for file type resources
[03:13] <kelvinliu> ah
[03:24] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: found the issue - there's a method which uses the resource fingerprint to see of the resource has changed, but for oci image resources, the fingerprint is always "" as we don't have the oci image to calculate the hash from
[03:24] <kelvinliu> should we simplge using image path?
[03:25] <kelvinliu> full path
[03:25] <wallyworld> something like that, looking into it
[03:26] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: did you have vsphere creds handy, any chance you could pull joe's branch and smoke test bootstrap, deploy, ssh on vsphere?
[03:26] <babbageclunk> yeah, I do - sure
[03:27] <wallyworld> i've done k8s and azure and it looks good
[03:27] <wallyworld> ty
[03:27] <babbageclunk> looking now
[03:27] <wallyworld> leave a comment on his PR
[03:27] <wallyworld> i tested bootstrap, deploy, ssh, add-unit
[05:51] <kelvinliu> hi wallyworld: got 2mins to discuss metadata change?
[06:13] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: sure
[06:14] <kelvinliu> HO?
[06:25] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: wait, one more thing..
[06:25] <wallyworld> HO?
[06:26] <kelvinliu> yes, plz
[07:37] <hpidcock> wallyworld: tomorrow is fine but it's ready https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10606
[07:38] <wallyworld> ok
[07:38] <wallyworld> heading out to dinner soon so will look later or tmw
[07:38] <hpidcock> wallyworld: tomorrow sounds great enjoy your night
[07:39] <wallyworld> will do, son's gf's b'day
[08:21] <stickupkid> manadart, in regards to thumper email, isn't this the availability zone issue that I've got a PR for
[08:22] <stickupkid> manadart, one that i keep opening and closing and never merging
[08:23] <manadart> stickupkid: Not sure. I was going to diff 2.6 vs develop to see why edge is OK, but 2.6 not...
[08:24] <stickupkid> manadart, I did "git diff develop 2.6 provider/lxd"
[08:24] <stickupkid> manadart, and "container/lxd"
[08:24] <stickupkid> manadart, didn't show much tbh, other than the new packing, network and ineffassign stuff
[08:25] <achilleasa> manadart: the packing stuff landed yesterday so I would recommend diffing before that
[08:25] <achilleasa> s/packing/packaging/
[08:26] <achilleasa> btw, is that error from juju or from lxd?
[08:26] <stickupkid> achilleasa, lxd
[08:26] <stickupkid> achilleasa, it's because it's trying to unmarshall an error if I remember correctly
[08:27] <achilleasa> Could it be resolved if we delete the cached images?
[08:27] <achilleasa> I think I 've stumbled on that error before
[08:27] <stickupkid> dunno
[08:27] <stickupkid> probably
[08:28] <manadart> Dependency is the same too...
[08:28] <stickupkid> yeah first thing i checked
[08:52] <stickupkid> anyone else hit the GOCACHE isn't set when using 1.12, probably old news
[09:26] <stickupkid> anyone going to port forward 2.6 into develop, or shall I do it?
[15:42] <pepperhead> Good Morning! o/
[15:42] <pepperhead> Well, nearing afternoon already.
[15:42] <pepperhead> Quick Question hopefully: Are there instructions or capability to run a conjure-up deploy of
[15:45] <pepperhead> Quick Question hopefully: Are there instructions or capability of a charm bundle to run a deploy of OpenStack on four machines as nodes that ONLY have on drive and one NIC port avail? I now have maas w/juju bootstrapped on two other machines. Six machines total.
[15:47] <pepperhead> Sorry, asked in conjure-up as well. But they are more of a one machine solution. Moved the Q over here.
[16:30] <atdprhs> hello everyone, juju deploy works perfect with everything except when I try to deploy ceph-osd, I usually get "failed to start machine 15 (failed to acquire node: No available machine matches constraints: [('agent_name', ['623fe854-6d68-463d-8337-73ce136cc4bb']), ('storage', ['root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8']), ('zone', ['default'])] (resolved to
[16:30] <atdprhs> "storage=root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8 zone=default")), retrying in 10s (10 more attempts)"
[16:30] <atdprhs> `failed to start machine 15 (failed to acquire node: No available machine matches constraints: [('agent_name', ['623fe854-6d68-463d-8337-73ce136cc4bb']), ('storage', ['root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8']), ('zone', ['default'])] (resolved to "storage=root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8 zone=default")), retrying in 10s (10 more attempts)`
[16:30] <atdprhs> This is following https://ubuntu.com/kubernetes/docs/storage / `juju deploy -n 3 ceph-osd --storage osd-devices=32G,2 --storage osd-journals=8G,1`
[16:33] <pepperhead> atdprhs I think Ceph needs a second drive, or at least specified in the config? I am trying to work around ceph drive req as well.
[16:34] <atdprhs> thanks pepperhead, do you know which config I should be checking in this regards?
[16:35] <atdprhs> after 10 attempts, now it's `No available machine matches constraints: [('agent_name', ['623fe854-6d68-463d-8337-73ce136cc4bb']), ('storage', ['root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8']), ('zone', ['default'])] (resolved to "storage=root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8 zone=default")`
[16:38] <atdprhs> question, what I do know `juju deploy -n 3 ceph-osd --storage osd-devices=32G,2 --storage osd-journals=8G,1` can be run as `juju deploy -n 3 ceph-osd --storage osd-devices=<storagePool>,32G,2 --storage osd-journals=<storagePool>,8G,1`
[16:39] <atdprhs> please correct me if I'm mistaken, storage pool can be obtained via `virsh pool-list`
[16:40] <atdprhs> the reason I'm looking into storage pool, cuz i'm thinking that maybe it's failing because of storage pool?
[16:43] <atdprhs> pepperhead r u here?
[16:46] <atdprhs> I don't think storage pool could be the issue because it has free space just fine
[17:10] <atdprhs> pepperhead you're right, it seems that it could be an issue with the second drive
[17:10] <atdprhs> I just tried to deploy nfs and it works just fine on my side, maybe i'll just stick to nfs
[17:10] <pepperhead> Sorry stepped away to grab luinch. Just learning juju myself. Running into what seems to be similar roadblocks, ceph mainly.
[17:11] <atdprhs> that's alright
[17:11] <pepperhead> Unsure but I think you can specify a directory instead of a drive in that config, but not sure how to get juju/maas to create the directory.
[17:12] <pepperhead> Maybe its a "curtin thing?"
[17:12] <atdprhs> I have no idea tbh
[17:12] <atdprhs> i've been stuck with this for more than 3 weeks tbh
[17:13] <atdprhs> maybe for now, i can live with nfs, but i would have 1 question about it
[17:14] <atdprhs> I chose 1T for the disk size `juju deploy nfs --constraints root-disk=<disk-Size>` would it be better than having multiple ones with 200G?
[17:15] <atdprhs> considering that each 200G would be a machine that would consume 1 CPU
[17:36] <pepperhead> nfs? What does `juju deploy nfs --constraints root-disk=<disk-Size>` do?
[17:37] <pepperhead> ahh https://jaas.ai/nfs/9
[17:39] <pepperhead> so can juju nfs be added to the bundle to provide for a "second drive"?
[17:40] <atdprhs> I don't know what you mean by the 2nd drive, but I am following https://ubuntu.com/kubernetes/docs/storage
[17:41] <atdprhs> `Deploy NFS` worked for me
[17:41] <atdprhs> @pep
[17:41] <pepperhead> ceph seemed to require a second drive
[17:41] <pepperhead> or second location
[17:42] <atdprhs> yes, it does, but actually I just realized the VMs gets created but for some strange weird reason MaaS and juju did not see them
[17:42] <atdprhs> so I explain, I just realized `failed to start machine 15 (failed to acquire node: No available machine matches constraints: [('agent_name', ['623fe854-6d68-463d-8337-73ce136cc4bb']), ('storage', ['root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8']), ('zone', ['default'])] (resolved to "storage=root:0,0:32,1:32,2:8 zone=default")), retrying in 10s (10 more attempts)`
[17:43] <atdprhs> no, sorry, maybe from the start, I deploy 3 ceph-osd so 3 VMs got created + 10 more attempts above that failed so 3+(3*10)=33
[17:43] <atdprhs> I have just deleted 33 VMs manually
[17:43] <pepperhead> ouch
[17:44] <pepperhead> All I know about ceph is that it is part of the openstack bundle
[17:44] <atdprhs> There is something I thought about trying which is refresh my MaaS pod when it says it failed
[17:44] <atdprhs> some of those VMs actually got deployed too btw
[17:44] <atdprhs> oh, i am working on CDK
[17:44] <atdprhs> Kubernetes
[17:45] <pepperhead> Yeah I want to get openstack running, and then deploy kubernetes into openstack with terraform
[17:45] <atdprhs> Googling around, ceph seems to be pretty new tech, nfs is more stable though and from what I see here, I think I am very happy with NFS since it works straight away
[17:46] <pepperhead> Hoping that the same tf could deploy kubernetes into say...rackspace
[17:46] <atdprhs> i don't know about Openstack
[17:46] <pepperhead> Therefore managing kubernetes by state change
[17:47] <atdprhs> but may I ask, what is the core difference between both?
[17:47] <pepperhead> OpenStack is a private cloud, IaaS.
[17:47] <atdprhs> I thought k8s is too?
[17:47] <atdprhs> I mean private cloud
[17:48] <pepperhead> So with Openstack you can manage storage, networking, loadbalancing and all via terraform
[17:49] <atdprhs> ahh seeing this >> https://www.terraform.io/
[17:49] <atdprhs> `Create reproducible infrastructure` << this is very nice
[17:49] <pepperhead> Openstack provides the "hardware". So you spin your nodes, in my case LXD containers, in openstack.
[17:50] <pepperhead> It provides the networking infrastructure as well as containers and such for k8s
[17:52] <pepperhead> So OpenStack is an IaaS, and Kubernetes is a foundation on which to build a PaaS.
[17:52] <atdprhs> Thanks pepperhead , now it makes sense
[17:53] <atdprhs> is it complex or easier with OpenStack?
[17:54] <pepperhead> And I was hoping JuJu was the magic to make the OpenStack easier to manage. But my available hardware is handicapped by not have but one hard drive and one NIC.
[17:54] <atdprhs> Do you have enough disk space on that HDD?
[17:54] <pepperhead> Well, OpenStack adds complexity, but gets you closer to working with deploying k8s to a cloud.
[17:55] <pepperhead> The company I recently joined doesnt have Metal, but they want a private cloud. Trying to make do with Intel NUCs
[17:56] <atdprhs> oh BTW, considering that you're trying to deploy osd like i did, there is a chance you might end upw ith 33 VM like I did :D
[17:56] <atdprhs> did you check your LXD's containers
[17:56] <pepperhead> I grabbed a Dell Poweredge r720 used from a guy on cragslist, and got openstack up in a couple hours
[17:57] <pepperhead> LOL. I am deploying to metal, Intel NUCs
[17:57] <pepperhead> A stack of them
[17:58] <pepperhead> MaaS is managing them, and Juju is theoretically directing MaaS.
[17:58] <atdprhs> kind of yes
[17:58] <pepperhead> The Openstack Basic charm bundle looks perfect
[17:58] <atdprhs> In my case, I am using KVM instead of LXD (I could've used LXD)
[17:59] <pepperhead> I think LXD is lighter on resources overall, as they use a shared kernel
[17:59] <atdprhs> So MaaS is metal as a service
[17:59] <pepperhead> yes
[17:59] <pepperhead> It kinda turns a machine into a VM
[18:00] <atdprhs> yes, something goes wrong with LXD, can be a risk factor with shared kernel afaik
[18:00] <pepperhead> And juju is developed along side it. I thiunk it can also manage VM's
[18:00] <atdprhs> you can either have juju to use LXD direct or use MaaS (private cloud)
[18:01] <pepperhead> An LxD container doesnt hold the kernel, so it can only harm itseself I think
[18:01] <atdprhs> I used https://conjure-up.io/
[18:01] <pepperhead> I got DevStack runniung on my single server, works great, about to try conjure-up
[18:06] <atdprhs> (y)
[18:08] <pepperhead> How did the conjure-up work out?
[18:08] <pepperhead> On a single machine?
[18:09] <atdprhs> conjure-up is kind of like a wizard takes through steps to deploy your environment
[18:09] <atdprhs> if you already deployed devstack then you don't need it
[18:09] <atdprhs> if you haven't and need to deploy openstack
[18:10] <pepperhead> But starts you getting familiar with juju/maas I assume
[18:10] <atdprhs> not really, i actually jumped straight into conjure-up then started to learn later juju
[18:10] <pepperhead> Just doing conjure up to see how or if it differs in performance from devstack
[18:11] <atdprhs> conjure-up basically does the installation part for you, further customizations and configurations can be later carried out by you manually via juju
[18:13] <pepperhead> I wish juju-gui allowed for adding a hardware item, like a directory, before running the bundle. Like adding nfs to the bundle and telling it to create a drive of X size from the first drive, then deploying ceph to it.
[18:13] <atdprhs> maas on the other hand can be the very minimal version of openstack for me, it just allows me to manage my metal servers as if they are cloud
[18:13] <atdprhs> so maas is like a private cloud that serves me the hardware and i use conjure-up to kickoff k8s on maas
[18:14] <pepperhead> See I want to build and manage k8s with terraform
[18:14] <pepperhead> IaC
[18:15] <atdprhs> I'm not expert tbh, but maybe this could help >> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-openstack-with-conjure-up
[18:16] <atdprhs> in term so storage, I can't honestly help you with it, I already gave up on ceph and currently using NFS
[18:16] <atdprhs> I spent over 3 weeks on ceph a  lone
[18:17] <pepperhead> ouch
[18:18] <atdprhs> maybe this can help >> https://ubuntu.com/openstack/storage
[18:19] <pepperhead> OHHhhhh, so Ceph is just storage. So INSTEAD of Ceph you deployed nfs and use it for storage. The only thing I know of ceph is that it is in the way of allowing my openstack to build
[18:19] <pepperhead> I thought you used nfs to create a point for Ceph to store its "stuff"
[18:20] <pepperhead> Typically Ceph wants and entire drive and it takes it for its "stuff"
[18:20] <atdprhs> no, i used NFS as storage for my k8s
[18:20] <pepperhead> I have heard it being like using ZFS
[18:20] <pepperhead> Creating an array
[18:21] <atdprhs> in k8s, you have the choice to choose between CEPH and NFS
[18:21] <atdprhs> I guess in openstack, you have to choose between Swift and Ceph  as per https://ubuntu.com/openstack/storage
[18:22] <atdprhs> zfs is a storage managed by Ubuntu I guess, that's host OS file system management
[18:25] <atdprhs> yes to > "OHHhhhh, so Ceph is just storage. So INSTEAD of Ceph you deployed nfs and use it for storage."
[18:26] <pepperhead> Now I get it. I think openstack uses Ceph as an array of storage, possibly redundancy in case one fails?
[18:27] <pepperhead> Kinda like a zfs1 array.
[18:28] <atdprhs> Chopper3 explained the difference well here >> https://serverfault.com/a/911582
[18:30] <pepperhead> Nice post, gratzi for the heads up!
[18:30] <atdprhs> no worries, 3 weeks didn't go by that easy
[18:30] <pepperhead> I set up a freenas server with 18TB of storage, and CAN share that out as NFS. Something to think about.
[18:31] <atdprhs> does openstack support nfs?
[18:31] <pepperhead> I use it for storing movies :)
[18:31] <atdprhs> lol
[18:31] <atdprhs> I use plex
[18:31] <pepperhead> I think it can, but thats my home machine, I would have to talk the company into even MORE hardware for that here
[18:32] <pepperhead> Yes, I run plex to srerve the shows stored on freenas
[18:33] <pepperhead> I use zfs2 array on freenas, I would need to lose three physical drives to actually lose data
[18:33] <atdprhs> ahh i thoguht freenas is like plex
[18:34] <pepperhead> Its just a storage server
[18:34] <pepperhead> Take big pile of drives and turn them into a network served array of storage
[18:35] <atdprhs> i usually upload my library to plex server itselff
[18:35] <atdprhs> maybe i'll try freenas
[18:37] <atdprhs> i am going to bed, it's almost 5 AM
[18:37] <pepperhead> WHAT!?
[18:37] <pepperhead> Where are you?
[18:37] <atdprhs> Australia
[18:38] <pepperhead> Oi down under
[18:38] <pepperhead> Good luck and get some sleep mate!
[18:38] <atdprhs> lol, yup it is
[18:38] <atdprhs> thx, and goodnight
[18:38] <pepperhead> I am in Atlanta Georgia
[18:38] <pepperhead> worlds apart. G'night
[18:39] <atdprhs> agreed
[21:40] <ec0> hey all, building a charm and charm proof is returning an ascii decode error, can't find any files which could be causing this issue in the charm: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qqjzBn4YFh/
[21:40] <ec0> is anyone else seeing this if they try to charm proof with the latest snap installed charm?
[21:40] <ec0> I'll go file a bug, but just curious if it's just me
[21:41] <ec0> have tried charm all the way up to edge
[21:43] <rick_h> ec0:  hmm, what version of python?
[21:43] <ec0> on my host, 3.7.3
[21:44] <ec0> the snap appears to be using 3.6....something
[21:44] <rick_h> hmm, I ran charm proof today w/o issue but not sure on the version/update today or the like
[21:44] <ec0> interesting, I just tried on a different charm I haven't touched in a while and it proofed
[21:45] <ec0> I've checked the git history for this charm and can't see any occurrences of 0xe6 in the changed files
[21:45] <ec0> (grep -P '\xe6' * -R
[21:45] <ec0> for example
[21:46] <ec0> interesting, line 380 is reading the README
[21:47] <rick_h> maybe wipe the readme and see if it proofs
[21:47] <ec0> trying now
[21:47] <ec0> hmm, no sadly
[21:53] <ec0> OK, I'll dig at this a little bit more when I've got time to swing back to it, and file an issue if needed, thanks for checking rick_h
[22:08] <ec0> oh lol, rick_h - I built my own copy of charm tools, and added some extra debugging, charm proof is trying to read ".README.md.swp", which is obviously the vim swap file.
[22:08] <ec0> I'll file an issue
[22:11] <ec0> seems related to https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/421


[04:39] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:23] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:45] <andol> 223122211221122231
[06:46] <andol> Oops
[07:05] <cpaelzer> andol: too much entropy spilling over?
[07:05] <cpaelzer> well it is actually not that good being down to three chars :-)
[08:11] <danpawlik> coreycb: Hi. Is possible to change in Xenial repository package python-openstackclient from version 2.3.0 to version 2.4.0? There are few issues in version 2.3.0 e.g. openstack network list shows other network UUIDs as neutron net-list
[08:11] <danpawlik> coreycb: pls let me know if its possible to upgrade
[08:32] <zioproto> danpawlik: it is always a nightmare with the client. I ended up running my client in a docker container
[08:32] <zioproto> danpawlik: https://zioproto.ninux.org/2016/11/16/docker-to-run-the-openstack-client/
[08:33] <zioproto> this way I do oscli
[08:33] <zioproto> and I enter in a env with the right client
[08:33] <zioproto> also 2.x is very old
[08:40] <danpawlik> zioproto: exactly. I do almost the same, but I ust directly python virtualenv
[08:41] <danpawlik> zioproto: but here comes other problem: someone just install openstack client availalbe in ubuntu repo and just want to use all Openstack services
[08:42] <zioproto> that is really a problem.
[08:42] <danpawlik> and when he have a problem he bother you
[08:42] <danpawlik> the simplest way is to tell him install package min 2.4.0 and then comes next question: where can I find it xD
[12:10] <coreycb> danpawlik: can they use openstackclient on xenial from the cloud archive?
[12:11] <danpawlik> coreycb: I can, you can, but... customers which are buying servers in my company will use openstackclient available in repo
[12:12] <danpawlik> we will make a notification on the page that user should use openstackclient >=2.4.0
[12:12] <danpawlik> but... maybe it will be better to "upgrade" the package?
[12:14] <coreycb> danpawlik: we can't do that unfortunately
[12:14] <coreycb> danpawlik: if there are particular patches to backport from 2.4.0, that might be an option
[12:15] <danpawlik> coreycb: I try to find the patch for it
[12:17] <rbasak> cpaelzer: https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu-seeds/refactor-platform-virt-artful/+merge/327076 looks a bit broken - conflicts. I think maybe you targetted ubuntu.artful instead of platform.artful?
[12:36] <teward> would anyone be so kind as to try and NTP query us-wa.ntp.dark-net.io please?  I think it's up, but I can't tell due to crappy internet.
[12:42] <andol> teward: It responds to (icmp) ping but not to NTP queries
[12:42] <zioproto> I am trying to disable IPv6 DAD in the qrouter network namespaces on the openstack network node. When I edit something in  /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/ is that global for all interfaces in any network namespace ?
[12:54] <danpawlik> coreycb: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/commit/8c6b5a087a4b0dca16faffdbcb5fc9f2d424ddf8
[12:54] <danpawlik> coreycb: or this one https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/commit/c9cfd569fe2f7c9f499843d77ebbc096b333733b
[12:55] <danpawlik> coreycb: I just check git log --pretty=oneline 2.3.0..2.4.0
[12:57] <danpawlik> coreycb, zioproto: so now is possible to create new package with applied patch  :) ?
[13:04] <zioproto> coreycb: you mean with a huge patch with all differences between 2.3.0 and 2.4.0 ???
[13:04] <zioproto> but does not make any sense :)
[13:08] <danpawlik> zioproto: new package for 2.3.0
[13:08] <danpawlik> but with patch for neutron region
[13:10] <coreycb> danpawlik: that seems reasonable, i'll get that backported
[13:10] <coreycb> zioproto: :)
[13:11] <coreycb> danpawlik: keep an eye on bug 1570491 to follow status
[13:13] <danpawlik> coreycb: ack. Thx
[14:13] <teward> andol: crap sounds like it's down then.  thanks for checking.  i'll stab it further
[14:14] <teward> andol: can you run an `ntpdate` against the server, it *looks* like it's working now at least from work here.  After a quick restart of the thing of course.
[14:21] <DK2> is it advised to use fail2ban to protect ssh?
[14:21] <teward> DK2: probably wouldn't hurt.
[14:31] <danpawlik> coreycb: I receive an email from launchpad. nice, big thanks !
[14:40] <ahasenack> is dep3changelog authoritative regarding the structure of the DEP3 header?
[14:40] <ahasenack> i.e., if it fails, the header is incorrect and must be fixed?
[14:41] <teward> ahasenack: I presume your DEP3 headers are created for patches via `quilt header --dep3 -e` or similar?  (Because that's how I get DEP3 compliant headers on my patch files)
[14:42] <ahasenack> no, there was a dep3 header already, but not compliant
[14:42] <teward> ah
[14:42] <ahasenack> should I quilt --dep3 it and complete what's missing then?
[14:42] <teward> (E: No Context :P)
[14:42] <teward> *yawns and chugs coffee*
[14:43] <ahasenack> always a good idea :)
[16:10] <nomoney4me> hi all! not sure if this belongs in windows or ubuntu.  I am trying to get a script going that would be able to reset AD password.  Im having a hard time getting a ldaps connection, can anyone help?
[16:11] <teward> nomoney4me: you sure that your AD environment supports ldaps?
[16:11] <nomoney4me> I have read up in ldaps, and it looks like as long as port 636 is open, then ldaps is enabled for AD, is this not correct?
[16:14] <nomoney4me> my ubuntu box can do ldapsearch on the AD just fine.  However, in order to do a changetype:modify, it looks like I need to be on ldaps (Or something secure)
[16:15] <nomoney4me> but when I change port to 636, there are some ssl things that I don't understand and not sure how to configure it.
[16:45] <Epx998> Any known issues with the installer having a dhcp issue with 10g nics?
[16:46] <Epx998> I get a pxe dhcp IP addr, but in the installer - the address is not aquired.
[17:25] <Epx998> This is so strange.
[17:29] <ahasenack> Epx998: can you check dmesg and see if the nic was properly detected?
[17:38] <Epx998> ahasenack: it had to have, I was watching my dhcp servers log and saw the link hit right before autoconfig went
[17:39] <ahasenack> Epx998: wasn't that the bios pxe booting and its dhcp request?
[17:39] <Epx998> eth4: NIC Link us Up 10Gbps, Flow Control: RX/TX
[17:39] <ahasenack> you should see two dhcp requests: from the bios, when pxe booting, and later by the installer
[17:39] <Epx998> ahasenack: That was doing the debian-installer
[17:39] <ahasenack> ok
[17:39] <Epx998> ahasenack: just before autoconfig
[17:40] <Epx998> i'll run it again to dbl check though
[17:41] <ahasenack> and tail /var/log/syslog if you can (on the installing system)
[17:41] <Epx998> if this fails ill disable the onboard nics incase autoconfig is tripping on eth0 nic being unplugged, though im setting eth4 specificallu in my netboot append options
[17:42] <Epx998> dhcp offer from pxe, at the menu - going forward
[17:43] <Epx998> ok autoconfig with 10g worked, its failing on eth0
[17:43] <Epx998> which i unplugged, even though i statically set eth4, it still attempts on eth0
[17:44] <Epx998> bloody annoying this is ;P
[17:45] <Epx998> if this works, only 350 servers to disable onboard nics for
[17:48] <sarnold> would it be easier to move to xenial?
[17:48] <sarnold> it feels like the predictable-names nic thingies there might make this more approachable
[17:48] <sarnold> and save some poor intern from hours of tedium
[17:49] <Epx998> sarnold: Google does not support Xenial builds yet for android.
[17:49] <Epx998> for our mobile stuff on android, we build on what google certifies, ub12 and ub14 - soon ub12 will be out and we'll be on ub14.
[17:50] <sarnold> Epx998: oh :( pity. I had hoped this would be some in-house software that needed updating ;(
[17:50] <tarpman> Epx998: you can't run your build stuff in a chroot or something?
[17:51] <Epx998> tarpman: its not how our build system is set up, though we are starting to run smaller builders in docker containers on ub14
[17:51] <Epx998> ok well with the onboards disabled, autoconfig still failed
[17:51] <Epx998> ill have to troubleshoot  a bit more, meeting now :D
[17:52] <tarpman> meeting: "why the hell aren't the servers done yet"
[17:52] <tarpman> :)
[17:52] <tarpman> don't die, Epx998
[18:27] <Epx998> i think.. eth4 gets renamed to eth1, is that possible?  since im setting eth4 in my netboot menu, maybe this causes dhcp autoconfig to fail?
[18:28] <ahasenack> renames are logged
[18:28] <ahasenack> search for eth[0-9] perhaps in the logs
[18:30] <braziercustoms> So frustrated. Installed ubuntu 16.04.2 server 64 bit this time :D.  Did all my updates and snap install conjure-up --classic and completed. Then went to restart. After reboot I could not login. Luckily I already set a root password.  It just kept telling me mine is incorrect. So I log in as root and try to change it and it (passwd jbrazier) it asks twice but no matter what the passwords don't match.  So I went to shad
[18:31] <Epx998> !!! i got it
[18:31] <Epx998> VICTORY
[18:31] <sarnold> braziercustoms: irc has line length limits. you were cut off at "went to shad"
[18:31] <sarnold> Epx998: yeah?? :D
[18:31] <Epx998> yeah, i didnt account for the interface rename with the disabled 4 onboard nics
[18:32] <Epx998> BUT i have to add compiling the during the install, since it probably wont be present at a reboot
[18:32] <Epx998> compiling the ixgbe driver
[18:32] <braziercustoms> SArnold lol ok
[18:33] <braziercustoms> So I went to shadow and removed password hash. Now I can login but still can't fix my password. Not to mention after I reboot only a few containers started and when I info --showlog on a running container sometimes I get the info sometimes I get connection refused, is lxd running?
[18:34] <Epx998> isnt root disabled by default?
[18:34] <stokachu> braziercustoms: you got like 4 different issues
[18:34] <stokachu> braziercustoms: lets just start with one first
[18:34] <braziercustoms> I'm frustrated is 1 of them this my 8th reinstall
[18:35] <stokachu> yes that is frustrating, but good news is you are probably doing it wrong
[18:35] <Epx998> braziercustoms: i did probably 40 trouble-shooting my 10gb nic / ixgbe driver issue :D
[18:35] <stokachu> iirc you had to reinstall the first time because you put a 32bit os down on the machine
[18:36] <stokachu> other than that there shouldnt be any reason to keep reinstalling unless you just have that much time on your hands
[18:36] <braziercustoms> Stokachu I know.. I know.. I'm sorry.
[18:36] <braziercustoms> It only takes 8 min
[18:36] <stokachu> so.. lets pick one of the first issues and go through that
[18:36] <stokachu> preferably most important to least
[18:36] <braziercustoms> It takes longer to reboot
[18:36] <braziercustoms> Ok
[18:39] <braziercustoms> Stokachu Are you going to determine the order or am I supposed to ask?
[18:39] <stokachu> balls in your court
[18:40] <braziercustoms> Ok I guess password issue is pretty important
[18:40] <stokachu> ok, so explain what you did and how you tried to resolve it
[18:40] <stokachu> and please stop deleting files
[18:41] <braziercustoms> I didn't delete any files. I opened shadow and removed my password hash so I could get back in
[18:41] <braziercustoms> And I backed it up beforehand
[18:42] <stokachu> ok, so you can login but the problem is you can't change your password now?
[18:42] <braziercustoms> Yes
[18:42] <dpb1> are you trying to change passwd for root or jbrazier
[18:43] <braziercustoms> The passwd command complains that my passwords do not match for jbrazier. I'm scared to try root it still lets me log in as root
[18:43] <braziercustoms> I know they do
[18:44] <dpb1> braziercustoms: I bet it's something to do with your modification of /etc/shadow
[18:45] <braziercustoms> No it happened before I did that..but I just tried again and now it's working..
[18:45] <stokachu> you had caps lock on didnt you
[18:45] <stokachu> i do it all the time
[18:45] <stokachu> :), anyway, next problem please
[18:45] <braziercustoms> No I swear.. me and two other people tried putting in passwords I even tried one two three four
[18:46] <stokachu> i'm on a role
[18:46] <stokachu> roll*
[18:46] <braziercustoms> 1234
[18:46] <dpb1> 1 is not a roll
[18:46] <stokachu> ugh and there it goess
[18:46] <dpb1> that's just a 1
[18:46] <braziercustoms> Lol
[18:46] <stokachu> dpb1: in bball thats all you need
[18:46] <dpb1> hot hand.
[18:46] <stokachu> hah
[18:49] <braziercustoms> Ok let's move along. What's with the containers and the conjure-up.lxd?
[18:49] <ahasenack> braziercustoms: is the root fs read-only by any chance?
[18:50] <stokachu> braziercustoms: does conjure-up.lxc list show all your containers running with IPs?
[18:50] <braziercustoms> Ahasenack no
[18:50] <braziercustoms> 1
[18:51] <braziercustoms> But this time I ran it I got connection refused
[18:51] <stokachu> braziercustoms: do a `watch conjure-up.lxc list`
[18:52] <stokachu> i wonder if the daemon is just restarting
[18:52] <stokachu> ive seen that happen sometimes with snap upgrades
[18:53] <braziercustoms> 1st time refused 2nd showed a few running
[18:53] <sarnold> :(
[18:53] <braziercustoms> Refused
[18:55] <braziercustoms> Ok wait. I did fresh install I o my added ssh but I left the tools option in the install menu enabled.. Would this cause a prob?
[18:55] <braziercustoms> Install I only added
[18:57] <braziercustoms> Curious stokachu each different time it does run it's different.. some will have ip some wont..
[19:00] <stokachu> braziercustoms: yea thats some crazy ish with snap and lxd restarting
[19:00] <stokachu> braziercustoms: can you try `sudo snap refresh conjure-up --edge`
[19:00] <stokachu> i got some additional fixes in there
[19:02] <braziercustoms> Yeah stokachu. Do I need to stop anything?
[19:02] <stokachu> nah this will be a good test
[19:02] <braziercustoms> Ok
[19:03] <dpb1> stokachu: conjure-up ships a version of lxd in it, right?
[19:03] <stokachu> yea
[19:04] <braziercustoms> It's refreshed
[19:05] <stokachu> does conjure-up.lxc list show you anything?
[19:06] <braziercustoms> I put it back on watch.. So far 4X and no refuse
[19:06] <braziercustoms> Looks like they are starting.
[19:07] <braziercustoms> Right now everytime it checks again it says error on one container and each time it moves down the list and the one that said error before is running
[19:07] <braziercustoms> I'm exited already
[19:07] <stokachu> ok thats good news
[19:07] <Epx998> have to say, d-i installer has a serious thing for eth0/1
[19:08] <Epx998> if your link isnt eth0/1 it gets really upset on netcfg auto
[19:08] <braziercustoms> Btw if I had had caps lock on earlier when I tried to change my password it would have accepted it cuz both passwords would have been in caps but it wouldn't accept anything even 1234
[19:08] <stokachu> braziercustoms: i would just blame dpb1
[19:08] <stokachu> he likes it
[19:08] <dpb1> wrong
[19:08] <sarnold> I think there are quality standards for user-set passwords
[19:08] <dpb1> I mean, I do like it
[19:08] <stokachu> hah
[19:09] <sarnold> stokachu: oh very handy to know thanks :D
[19:09] <stokachu> sarnold: lol
[19:09] <braziercustoms> They are all RUNNING. reboot see if they come back?
[19:09] <stokachu> braziercustoms: sure we're high rolling right now
[19:09] <stokachu> let it fly
[19:10] <braziercustoms> Lol
[19:11] <braziercustoms> What did --edge do? Use a beta?
[19:11] <stokachu> uses what we have in our development branch
[19:11] <sarnold> snaps have different channels; some are intended to be stable, some betas, and some right from source control with no promises of any sort. of course each snap is free to use them as they see fit.
[19:11] <stokachu> we have a few more things to do before we promote it
[19:12] <stokachu> yea so --edge is essentially our master branch on github
[19:12] <stokachu> but certain features like that lxd one will make it into a properly candidate->stable channel soon
[19:14] <Epx998> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/713385 <- my exact issue, been reported since 2011, last update feb of this year as still an issue. oi
[19:19] <braziercustoms> Ok now I'm lost.. After reboot I can't login again.. but I think it's only the first terminal on f1..   I will verify but right now my screen is flooding with conjure-up messages.
[19:20] <braziercustoms> Btw the first terminal cursor is always screwed up. Instead of being at the end of the word login, it's always under the L
[19:20] <braziercustoms> It it usually still works
[19:21] <braziercustoms> But it
[19:21] <sarnold> eww
[19:22] <braziercustoms> Is this because of development version? The flooding?
[19:22] <braziercustoms> Can I stop it?
[19:36] <braziercustoms> Ok sarnold. How do I turn off all the logging to stdout?
[19:37] <dpb1> stokachu: ^
[19:38] <braziercustoms> All containers running after reboot.
[19:40] <braziercustoms> Oh thanks dpb1 I did tag the wrong one oops sorry.
[21:18] <braziercustoms> Ok server 16.04.2 still have a login problem. Intermittent authentication failure. Auth log just says authentication failure. If I keep trying to login eventually it lets me. Sometimes I enter username and hit enter and it resets asking for login again.
[21:20] <dpb1> resetting the login prompt is normal after a timeout on the password
[21:31] <Epx998_> still cannot login after an install?
[22:53] <braziercustoms> Dpb1 it reset as soon as i hit enter after putting in login name.
[22:54] <braziercustoms> Epx998 intermittently. Dpb1 tag me so it alerts my phone.  Sometimes I can login sometimes I cant.


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