[03:28] <ngmlinux_> patching file arch/arm/boot/compressed/head-xscale.S
[03:28] <ngmlinux_> patch: **** Can't rename file /tmp/pos1TWoj to arch/arm/boot/compressed/head-xscale.S : Permission denied
[03:28] <redvelvet> dooglus, i got an openoffice.org2 package?
[03:28] <ngmlinux_> anybody?
[03:28] <nalioth> ngmlinux_: please read the /topic and dont paste in here
[03:29] <dooglus> redvelvet: don't we all!
[03:29] <ngmlinux_> i was told you can paste up to 3 lines
[03:29] <ngmlinux_> sorry
[03:29] <slyjab> nalioth: the only apt process i have running is ron.daily/apt... when i try to kill it it says:bash: kill: signal: arguments must be process or job IDs
[03:29] <slyjab> bash: kill: pid: arguments must be process or job IDs
[03:29] <slyjab> bash: kill: ron.daily/apt: arguments must be process or job IDs
[03:29] <ngmlinux_> I didn't know
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: what could it possibly be?  I'm including tcl.h and it's right there in /usr/include/tcl8.4/tcl.h
[03:29] <ngmlinux_> nalioth, can you help with this issue?
[03:29] <redvelvet> dooglus, sorry, i mean that is what poped up when i searched the repositories
[03:29] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i have no idea what you are compiling or anything else
[03:29] <dooglus> redvelvet: did you see ubotu's message?
[03:29] <nalioth> ngmlinux_: use sudo
[03:29] <dooglus> !azureus
[03:29] <mitch__> howdy peeps..
[03:29] <ubotu> hmm... azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[03:29] <dooglus> redvelvet: that one
[03:29] <redvelvet> guess not, oops
[03:30] <redvelvet> oh, thanks sorry
[03:30] <dooglus> i'm off for a bit.  good luck.
[03:30] <Phoenix1701> slyjab: The reason for that error is because you need to kill a process using its process ID, not its name.
[03:30] <redvelvet> thanks for the help
[03:30] <mitch__> im about to install debian,  will i be able to chose which window manager it installs during setup?
[03:30] <Phoenix1701> To find the process ID for a running process, run "ps auxc" and look for the number to the left of the name.
[03:30] <Phoenix1701> Then pass that to kill instead.
[03:30] <mr-russ> anybody have a solution for a computer that when your reboot with ubuntu, it hangs, and doesn't reboot?
[03:30] <Ophiocus> were can i learn irc scripting for the x-chat client?
[03:30] <ngmlinux_> nalioth i did sudo http://pastebin.com/464691
[03:30] <nalioth> Ophiocus: try the xchat homepage
[03:31] <slyjab> Phoenix1701: tried that got the same return
[03:31] <ngmlinux_> nalioth, i guess you need to use a super sudo in ubuntu?
[03:31] <Phoenix1701> Exact same?
[03:31] <Ophiocus> hmm. so simple its shameful
[03:31] <slyjab> yep
[03:31] <Ophiocus> :)
[03:31] <mitch__> How do i burn an iso image to cd?
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: it doesn't matter what I'm compiling.  It matters that I have #include <tcl.h> at the top of my file and gcc doesn't find it.  It finds it fine if I say #include "the whole path to tcl.h", but that's not very portable
[03:31] <Phoenix1701> Including the "kill: ron.daily/apt: arguments must be process or job IDs" part?
[03:31] <n0dl> im looking to change my kernel
[03:31] <n0dl> i have a PIII
[03:31] <nalioth> ngmlinux_: then i have no clue.
[03:32] <n0dl> do i get i686 or 686smp?
[03:32] <Ophiocus> n0dl, 386 is fine for that
[03:32] <westymatt> anyone into kernel dev?
[03:32] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: then your tcl hasnt been installed properly, i suspect
[03:32] <ngmlinux_> nalioth, must be another ubuntu bug?
[03:32] <slyjab> no that line wasn't included sorry
[03:32] <nalioth> n0dl: smp is for dual cores or more
[03:32] <ngmlinux_> nalioth, can't wait until ubuntu becomes "stable"

[03:32] <n0dl> i c
[03:32] <Phoenix1701> Okay, I was about to say.  :)  But it said something about not being able to find that process?
[03:32] <slyjab> yeah
[03:33] <_bradley1> is there a plugin for firefox - totem?
[03:33] <Phoenix1701> Try using killall instead of kill.  You can pass a name to killall and it will look up the PID itself.
[03:33] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, it's the pipe into patch; try | sudo tee patch, etch
[03:33] <mustard5> _bradley1, mozplugger?
[03:33] <nickrude> *etc
[03:33] <_bradley1> mozplugger?
[03:33] <_bradley1> thanks
[03:33] <mustard5> _bradley1, search in synaptic for it :)
[03:34] <_bradley1> ok thank you brb
[03:34] <nickrude> _bradley1, mozilla-mplayer is nice
[03:34] <slyjab> Phoenix1701: no process killed
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: are you familiar with compiling stuff with tcl or SDL on ubuntu?  What more could I possibly need than the actual libraries, if it compiles perfectly given an absolute path to the header?
[03:34] <mustard5> _bradley1, apt-cache show mozplugger should give you some feedback too
[03:34] <_bradley1> nickrude: i can't get mplayer to work...
[03:35] <nickrude> _bradley1, by 'work' , you mean ..
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: is there some way I should be updating my includes path?
[03:35] <ElitePete> i love ubuntu >;-)
[03:36] <nickrude> _bradley1, install, play certain movies, etc?
[03:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i've not had any trouble compiling tcl or sdl things, but there is always one -dev you are missing
[03:36] <_bradley1> nickrude: install
[03:36] <_bradley1> in add programs its says it's not supported...
[03:36] <ElitePete> can anyone do me a favor, and tell me if torrentspy.com is screwed up for them also?
[03:36] <bpuccio> ubotu: repositories
[03:36] <ubotu> repositories is probably How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[03:36] <nickrude> _bradley you probably need to do ^^^
[03:36] <bpuccio> !sources
[03:36] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:37] <dderr> i am getting the following error while trying to install my nvidia driver
[03:37] <_bradley1> gotcha thanks
[03:37] <_bradley1> brb
[03:37] <nickrude> _bradley1, I like the source-o-matic myself
[03:37] <ElitePete> can anyone do me a favor, and tell me if torrentspy.com is screwed up for them also?
[03:37] <dderr> gcc-version-check failed
[03:37] <dderr> any suggestions
[03:37] <mustard5> dderr, which version of gcc does it want?
[03:38] <dderr> it isn't saying
[03:38] <dderr> i added 3.4
[03:38] <mustard5> dderr, install another version would be the answer
[03:38] <nalioth> ElitePete: ask your question in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:38] <dderr> and set the CC env variable
[03:38] <ElitePete> k nalioth
[03:38] <mustard5> dderr, ah ok
[03:38] <dderr> but I don't know what it is looking for
[03:38] <ElitePete> no one home nalioth.
[03:38] <mustard5> dderr, maybe its looking for the latest one
[03:39] <nalioth> ElitePete: i'm sorry, but i'm in #ubuntu-offtopic and there are dozens of people in there
[03:39] <ElitePete> * Now talking on #unbutu-offtopic
[03:39] <ElitePete> i see no one?
[03:39] <ElitePete> haha
[03:39] <mustard5> dderr, have you consulted any guides for installing nvidia drivers?
[03:39] <ElitePete> spelling error :-)
[03:39] <nalioth> ElitePete: you can't spell correctly, you dont find the right place
[03:39] <ElitePete> good point
[03:39] <dderr> mustard5 : lol, guides who needs guides
[03:40] <mustard5> dderr, is there any reason you are not installing the nvidia drivers available in the repositories?
[03:40] <paxmaster> hello i am installing ubuntu for my friend but her laptop is dell 2600 and when I boot the vedio flicker
[03:40] <dderr> mustard5 : i don't even know what you mean by that
[03:40] <sethk> paxmaster, when you boot the install cd?  or after you install it?
[03:40] <dderr> i need twin view
[03:40] <mustard5> dderr, well there is a nvidia-glx package in the repositories that installs the 7667 version of the nvidia drivers
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: hm, perhaps you're right.  So then, what packages do I need for it to find tcl.h?  (and why does this sound really silly to me..)  I have tcl8.4 tcl8.4-dev tcl8.4-doc.  Should I get the 8.0 ones or something?  My application requires 8.4
[03:41] <mustard5> dderr, you install them using synaptic package manager
[03:41] <mustard5> ubotu: tell dderr about nvidia
[03:41] <paxmaster> I have search on google and I found a same problem but he slove it by add the line append="video=vga16:off" in his lilo
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> or tclx
[03:41] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: all i can say is: you appear to be missing some -dev pkgs
[03:41] <mustard5> dderr, check PM from ubotu
[03:41] <paxmaster> how would I do that in grub
[03:41] <sethk> paxmaster, you are using grub, so you don't use append=,  you add  it to the end of the kernel line
[03:41] <mustard5> dderr, what type of nvidia card do you have?
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: should I `source` something after installing new libraries?
[03:42] <sethk> paxmaster, so you'll have   kernel ...........   root=/dev/whatever ro video=vga16:off
[03:42] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: not necessary
[03:42] <sethk> paxmaster, assuming that video=vga16:off is correct, which I would have to check.
[03:42] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: join #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: this isn't off topic
[03:42] <paxmaster> sethk: thx
[03:42] <sethk> paxmaster, use vga=ask
[03:42] <dderr> mustard5 : NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
[03:43] <paxmaster> thx sethk
[03:43] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: humor me
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> k
[03:43] <mustard5> dderr, k well it sound like a pretty recent nvidia card, so the nvidia-glx drivers should be fine
[03:43] <stef65> paxmaster: I had similar probs on a nforce2-box with embedded graphics... bios update solved it
[03:43] <mustard5> dderr, did you find the guides that ubotu sent you?
[03:43] <misfit_toy> dderr, that's what this laptop has, they work fine
[03:43] <chombee> Okay I'm running OpenBox, I got my .xsession file working, but if I launch docker in .xsession it doesn't catch any of the dockable apps. If I launch it from a terminal *after* logging in it works. Do you think pypanel is stealing the apps from docker?
[03:44] <dderr> it works
[03:44] <dderr> i guess i figured i need a new driver for twin view
[03:44] <dderr> maybe i'm just being stupid
[03:44] <paxmaster> I will look further in to it
[03:44] <mustard5> dderr, there are some guides for twinview somewhere...*thinking*
[03:45] <misfit_toy> mustard5, you were using "tovid" right? and replaced that file in /usr/bin...didn't we talk about this days ago? anyway, I still get that "audio not detected in file, using silence for audio"...sorry if it wasn't you...
[03:45] <mustard5> misfit_toy, it doesnt sound familiar
[03:46] <misfit_toy> dderr, are you trying to get tv-out working?
[03:46] <mustard5> dderr, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85769&highlight=twinview
[03:46] <misfit_toy> mustard5, k
[03:46] <sethk> BRB
[03:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> I know is this is probably the wrong place, but where should i go for help with ubuntu and xfce4?
[03:46] <dderr> no just dual monitors
[03:46] <misfit_toy> dderr, ah I see
[03:46] <ngmlinux_> nikerude, ahh let me try that
[03:46] <ngmlinux_> nickrude, ahh let me try that
[03:47] <ngmlinux_> could you explain that a little better nickrude?
[03:48] <misfit_toy> dderr, even though this is my xorg.conf with tvout, it might help you by looking at it: http://fedorasolved.com/viewtopic.php?t=157
[03:48] <misfit_toy> dderr, yes it's posted at a fedora site (mine) but it's on a breezy box.
[03:48] <_jason> s0n1cm0nk3y, you can try #xubuntu or ask here and see if someone knows
[03:49] <dderr> i managed to install the newest nvidia driver the other night, and saved my xorg.conf
[03:49] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, to be honest, I'm not real clear on the theory behind that. I got it from this channel a while ago for piping into files that need sudo privileges
[03:49] <dderr> but today i can't seem to get the nvidia driver to take
[03:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> well during me trying to config it, I lost the ability to put up a wall paper, and I lost the rightclick xfce menu
[03:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> trying to get that back
[03:49] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, it worked, so I use it :)
[03:49] <dderr> i'm reading through the guides, thanks for all the help
[03:49] <ngmlinux_> nickrude, I'm not terrible concerned with how it works, I'm just unsure of exactly what to type
[03:50] <mustard5> dderr, did you do a sudo nvidia-glx-config enable command?
[03:50] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, what was the line again?
[03:50] <vader> I have some files and I wanr ro make them into a .iso file...ho wwould i do that?
[03:50] <dderr> mustard5 : nop
[03:50] <ngmlinux_> one sec, nickrude
[03:50] <Toma-> vader: put them all in a folder then use mkisofs
[03:50] <mustard5> dderr, k..well that is part of the guide for installing nvidia-glx   sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:50] <Chadza> Is there a way for me to take my winxp fonts and add them into ubuntu?
[03:50] <vader> k
[03:50] <redvelvet> grrr i cant find j2re1.4 in the repositories
[03:51] <redvelvet> and i have it set right.
[03:51] <dderr> mustard5 : cool thx
[03:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> all: I tried reinstalling xfce, but it didnt work
[03:51] <Toma-> Chadza: copy them all to /usr/share/fonts i think...
[03:51] <Chadza> Indeed.
[03:51] <mustard5> dderr, you should see a white nvidia logo come up when you restart X
[03:51] <sethk> Chadza, there is, but it is (no!) not legal
[03:51] <sethk> Chadza, do a google for freetype
[03:51] <ngmlinux_> nickrude, http://pastebin.com/464712
[03:51] <ScreaminIk1> moral question...
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> redvelvet: you'll probably have to get it from sun's website.  Instructions are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java I believe
[03:51] <Toma-> sethk: its perfectly legal if hes got a legit copy of xp
[03:52] <redvelvet> thanks man
[03:52] <ScreaminIk1> anyone?
[03:52] <sethk> Toma-, is it?  ok, didn't know that
[03:52] <Toma-> ;)
[03:52] <mustard5> redvelvet, you don't want jre1.5?
[03:52] <Toma-> ScreaminIk1: just ask dang it.
[03:52] <redvelvet> mustard.
[03:52] <redvelvet> i dont know
[03:52] <sethk> Toma-, I remember reading that they used to be on M$'s web site, and were taken down
[03:52] <mustard5> redvelvet thats the latest one
[03:52] <ScreaminIk1> is it ok to vnc remotely TO MY COMPUTER... and watch my roomie's conversations?
[03:52] <stef65> s0n1cm0nk3y: your saved xfce-session is still in place, so everything is as u left it...
[03:52] <Chadza> Toma, you are my hero.
[03:53] <redvelvet> maybe thats why i cant find it, the wiki is just not up to date.
[03:53] <mustard5> ubotu: tell redvelvet about javadeb
[03:53] <mustard5> ubotu: tell redvelvet about java
[03:53] <coag> what is a command to see hwo much space on a mouted path?
[03:53] <hyphenated> ScreaminIk1: it's probably do-able, but whether it's ok is more of a moral question
[03:53] <_jason> coag, df ?
[03:53] <Toma-> sethk: thats becdause they couldnt check if all the downloads were from legit users...
[03:53] <mustard5> redvelvet, check for PMs from ubotu
[03:53] <mustard5> redvelvet, javadeb is the easiest way to install
[03:53] <Toma-> ScreaminIk1: no
[03:53] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, I think http://pastebin.com/464713 would work
[03:53] <will00> i need to access the data on the windows partition via the live CD. does anyone know how???
[03:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> um ok
[03:53] <redvelvet> i am wanting to install azureus, will this work?
[03:54] <mustard5> redvelvet, look for the jre1.5+updates deb package at the download link
[03:54] <wildhamster> is it?
[03:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef65: so is there someway to get it back to default?
[03:54] <mustard5> redvelvet, yes..this is the jave you need for that irrc
[03:54] <coag> 25931348
[03:54] <_jason> ubotu, tell will00 about mountwindows
[03:54] <soldieruk400> hello all
[03:54] <coag> _jason: is the output in bytes?
[03:54] <redvelvet> mustard5, you're a great help
[03:54] <mustard5> redvelvet, np
[03:55] <_jason> coag, yes, iirc
[03:55] <n0dl> I have a friend who isnt really a big computer person. The most he really uses the computer for is simple web browsing, email, word processing, and listening to cds and stuff.
[03:55] <_jason> will00, read ubotu's second link on mounting a window's drive
[03:55] <n0dl> he wants to try linux out and i mentioned ubuntu
[03:55] <stef65> s0n1cm0nk3y: maybe delete ur ~/.xfce[4]  folder ?
[03:55] <ScreaminIk1> i know you can
[03:55] <ScreaminIk1> i'm doing it
[03:55] <will00> where?
[03:55] <ScreaminIk1> i'm asking if it's ok
[03:55] <Loonix> ive tryed to enter the ubuntu page but it tryed to install something on my computer
[03:55] <n0dl> im going to move him tommorow... Should give him ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:55] <mustard5> n0dl, ubuntu is not too bad...Mepis is more like 'windows' I believe
[03:55] <ScreaminIk1> it's my pc
[03:55] <ScreaminIk1> and my roomie knows i could
[03:56] <Toma-> n0dl: give him kubuntu and/or ubuntu live cds :)
[03:56] <nickrude> NoUse, give him both
[03:56] <_jason> will00, ubotu sent you a private emssage
[03:56] <_jason> will00, message too
[03:56] <Loonix> ive tryed to enter the ubuntu page but it tryed to install something on my computer ! so i declined
[03:56] <nickrude> Loonix, ?
[03:56] <will00> thanks!
[03:56] <ramblingturtle> after installing updates today my sound does not work. anybody else have the same problem
[03:56] <mustard5> n0dl, it all depends on how much mucking around he wants to do to configure his computer...if you configure it all for him that would be easier
[03:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef65: is that in the home directory or the root, kind of a linux n00b here
[03:56] <n0dl> mustard5: which i will
[03:57] <Loonix> they called it certificate
[03:57] <n0dl> mustard5: hes afraid of CLI
[03:57] <mustard5> n0dl, well that will make life easier then :)  I've seen people scared away from linux because of the command line
[03:57] <nickrude> Loonix, that's a security certificate, that's pretty common.
[03:57] <mustard5> n0dl, yep :D
[03:57] <Loonix> no its not
[03:57] <Toma-> n0dl: use the live cds first. see if he likes the feel. its also detects alot more on boot
[03:57] <ajulius> hi
[03:57] <n0dl> Toma- i c
[03:57] <stef65> s0n1cm0nk3y:  in the home-dir (~ is a short form for the actual users home)
[03:57] <_jason> I reformatted a fat32 partition to ext3 using gparted and it is working fine.  However, when I do 'fdisk -l', it says 'W95 FAT32' under the System colum.  Why is this?
[03:57] <Loonix> its the 1st site in month trying to do that
[03:57] <ScreaminIk1> ...
[03:57] <n0dl> hmm the only problem is i dont have a live kubuntu cd
[03:58] <mustard5> n0dl, consider Mepis too..it might be more 'friendly'
[03:58] <ajulius> Ubuntu works like a charm :)
[03:58] <coag> how can i mount ntfs as rw?
[03:58] <ScreaminIk1> install ubuntu... open up synaptic... install kubuntu
[03:58] <silverton> _jason, have you rebooted?
[03:58] <ScreaminIk1> ntfs insn't rw
[03:58] <mustard5> coag, well you can't write to ntfs
[03:58] <Loonix> some evil ppl in here
[03:58] <ScreaminIk1> only r
[03:58] <ericmoritz\0> has anyone played with bluetooth in ubuntu?
[03:58] <_jason> silverton, I don't think so.  I should try that
[03:58] <silverton> _jason, yes you should
[03:58] <_jason> silverton, :)
[03:59] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef65: um... I ls -al
[03:59] <stef65> yup
[03:59] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef65: I ls -al 'd my home directory, and I cant find my xfce folder
[03:59] <mustard5> coag, you can write to vfat though...and windows can read vfat
[03:59] <bimberi> ajulius: good to hear :)
[03:59] <coag> mustard5: darn
[03:59] <n0dl>  mustard5 I will keep Mepis in mind
[03:59] <coag> my partition on windows with alot of space left on it is ntfs
[04:00] <Toma-> coag: you cxan write to ntfs, but its very experimental
[04:00] <mustard5> coag, you could convert it to vfat
[04:00] <coag> i don't want to corrupt the partition
[04:00] <n0dl> brb
[04:00] <coag> and i don't want to lose the data
[04:00] <mustard5> coag, k
[04:00] <sethk> coag, _very_ experimental.  I wouldn't risk it.
[04:00] <ramblingturtle> greetings, everyone
[04:00] <coag> im not going to
[04:00] <coag> thanks
[04:00] <mustard5> coag, well writing to ntfs might well be just as risky :)
[04:00] <pantz> anyone know how to get kde as an option with gdm?
[04:00] <mustard5> coag, k
[04:01] <ramblingturtle> i have a soundblaster soundcard that worked earlyer today and it is not working. nothing is muted anywhere as far as I can tell anybody willing to help
[04:01] <mustard5> pantz, install kubuntu-desktop will install KDE
[04:01] <bimberi> pantz: install kubuntu-desktop
[04:01] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef65: and it also appears that the find it program thats with xfce, and my file manager wont work : /
[04:01] <ajulius> have any of you heard of a computer where you disconnect the ide cable and you get a memory error in diagnostic led but the memory isnt faulty, it just works when u reset the memory?
[04:01] <pantz> mustard5, bimberi thanks
[04:01] <s0n1cm0nk3y> brb
[04:01] <xangel36> can some one help me install a aplication?
[04:01] <ngmlinux_> I'll give it a try nickrude
[04:01] <ajulius> is the memory bus and ide bus interconnected?
[04:01] <ajulius> is that dma related?
[04:01] <mustard5> xangel36, what is the application?
[04:01] <mike_> *
[04:02] <ajulius> computer geeks :P
[04:02] <xangel36> openlaszlo_3.0-unix-2_all.deb and has a lock on it
[04:03] <mustard5> xangel36, use the chown command to changeownership?
[04:03] <flodine> little help after installing artwiz font they only work on gnome but not in aterm or eterm why?
[04:03] <mustard5> xangel36, is it ownership or permissions that are locked?
[04:03] <xangel36> im kind okf new so i dont understand can u make it more simple?
[04:03] <n0dl> since i dont have a live kubuntu disc
[04:03] <carl_> coag, for when you boot into win, you can read/write to your ext3 partition: http://www.fs-driver.org
[04:03] <xangel36> well i got it from a magazine
[04:03] <n0dl> can i just install kubuntu first
[04:03] <mustard5> xangel36, right click on the file and go to properties and see who is the owner and what permissions are on the file
[04:03] <n0dl> then run the live ubuntu disc?
[04:04] <coag> carl_: yeah i have that setup already, thanks though
[04:04] <flodine> anyone have artwiz fonts installed that can help me?
[04:04] <xangel36> it says file owner root
[04:04] <_jason> silverton, nope, still says the ext3 drive is 'W95 FAT32', gparted reports it correctly as ext3
[04:04] <mustard5> xangel36, it may just be showing as read only if you got if from a CD as the medium you took it from is read only
[04:05] <ngmlinux_> no luck nickrude, http://pastebin.com/464725
[04:05] <xangel36> and can read write and execute
[04:05] <mustard5> xangel36, so what is your username on this computer?
[04:05] <Nameeater> I've just upgraded to breezy and it seems nautalus (sp) has lost the "URL" box, how can i get it back?
[04:05] <carl_> coag, also, this claims to be a safe way to write: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_NTFS
[04:05] <xangel36> xangel36 im on terminal as root
[04:05] <mustard5> xangel36, chown username.username filename
[04:06] <carl_> I tried once, but it couldn't find the right ntfs.sys file or something
[04:06] <xangel36> but the alien -i does not worl
[04:06] <ajulius> how do i scan my ports in linux?
[04:06] <n0dl> mustard5 out of curiosity how exactly is mepis more different than ubuntu?
[04:06] <mustard5> xangel36, your in root?
[04:06] <xangel36> yes
[04:06] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, possibilities are endless, a sec
[04:06] <ajulius> to see whos using my active ports
[04:06] <xangel36> whit sudo -s -H command
[04:07] <sethk> ajulius, netstat -a
[04:07] <ajulius> sethk thanks, also how do i get firewall ips? i assume ubuntu has a firewall active?
[04:07] <ngmlinux_> sure nickrude
[04:07] <coag> carl_: thanks ill looks more into it
[04:07] <mustard5> n0dl, I have not used it myself, but you can visit www.distrowatch.com and read about it
[04:07] <ajulius> sethk or does ubuntu come with firewall off by default?
[04:07] <sethk> ajulius, I'm not sure, I don't use fake firewalls.
[04:08] <ajulius> whos using a fake firewall
[04:08] <sethk> ajulius, iptables -l will show you what filtering is enabled
[04:08] <ajulius> whatever comes in ubuntu i mean
[04:08] <mustard5> xangel36, being in root you shouldnt need to change the owner since root owns it already   actually :)
[04:08] <sethk> ajulius, anyone who thinks a firewall is software configuration rather than a separate machine.  :)
[04:08] <xangel36> so what do i do to install it?
[04:08] <sethk> ajulius, IP filtering is not a firewall.  But the abuse of the language has, alas, become pervasive
[04:09] <_jason> ajulius, capital L: iptables -L
[04:09] <stef65> ... or a separate virtual machine (user mode linux e.g.)
[04:09] <mustard5> xangel36, but to change the permissions, you could do a chmod +x filename
[04:09] <mustard5> xangel36, that will give it executable permission
[04:09] <sethk> ajulius, which is not to say that ip filtering isn't a good thing.  and iptables is an excellent ip filter.  iptables running on a separate machine, with some proxies, makes an excellent firewall
[04:10] <mustard5> xangel36, then you would install using a dpkg -i filename.deb command
[04:10] <ajulius> needed to use sudo
[04:10] <xangel36> done now what do i do?
[04:10] <ajulius> for iptables
[04:10] <mustard5> xangel36, then you would install using a dpkg -i filename.deb command
[04:10] <ajulius> but it says nothing
[04:10] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, a simple solution, because I'm not really free to think at the moment: sudo -i, then run the line , then exit
[04:10] <ajulius> hmm
[04:10] <ajulius> so ubuntu doesnt have a firewall on by default?
[04:10] <ngmlinux_> i'll try that we'll see
[04:10] <_jason> ajulius, you don't need anything with a default install, ubuntu has no services running to make you vulnerable
[04:10] <mustard5> xangel36, I don't know what effect it is going to have installing it as root though
[04:10] <ngmlinux_> run it the orignal way nickrude?
[04:11] <s0n1cm0nk3y> back
[04:11] <carl_> http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/en/?page=news says  " It is now mandatory to use this beta version as the 0.95.x series is about to expire on November 26th."  Snaptic currently installs .95.4...
[04:11] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, zcat ../diff-<IP_ADDRESS>-armcore | patch -p1
[04:11] <sethk> ajulius, I believe you have to install and configure it
[04:11] <mustard5> xangel36, I'm pretty used to installing stuff using sudo, but I guess its all the same thing
[04:11] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef56: ok xfce is acting really weird, I can switch users, then log in anyways with the same account and i get everything back
[04:12] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, the sudo -i will give you a root terminal temporarily. Useful for not thinking about sudo in complicated commands :)
[04:12] <ajulius> sethk yeah firestarter
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> sweeeeeet
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> thanks nickrude
[04:12] <carl_> sf.net has a v96.deb - how do I use that to update what synaptic installed ?
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> i guess it's just a fault of ubuntu
[04:12] <xangel36> so i puu dpkg -i openlaszlo_3.0-unix-2_all.deb?
[04:12] <ajulius> sethk so with linux its fine to have no firewall?
[04:12] <xangel36> only that?
[04:12] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, I should have mentioned it a half hour ago, sorry :)
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> that the other distros don't have
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> haha
[04:12] <mustard5> xangel36, correct
[04:12] <ajulius> sethk:  See with windows its a necessity to have a firewall
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> worked great though nickrude
[04:12] <ngmlinux_> thanks
[04:12] <xangel36> lets try it
[04:12] <ajulius> but i guess windows has all the ports open by default?
[04:12] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, no, it's a 'feature' of sudo :)
[04:12] <bimberi> ajulius: no "firewall by default", on install it isn't listening externally on any ports, use netstat to check what it is listening (eg. sudo netstat -plunt)
[04:13] <bimberi> *"firewall" by default
[04:13] <stef65> ajulius: u read too much symantec promotion....
[04:13] <JoeyDay> Hey, is the /etc/motd file locked somehow in Ubuntu?
[04:13] <ajulius> stef65:  No, with windows if you dont enable the free firewall your ports are open and someone can get in
[04:13] <carl_> firewall peeps: imagine a house with no doors or windows.  do you need a lock?
[04:13] <_jason> ubotu, tell JoeyDay about sudo
[04:13] <ajulius> carl so ubuntu has no doors or windows right?
[04:13] <ngmlinux_> nickrude, oh how I love time saving (or wasting) features lol
[04:14] <stef65> ajulius: win32sec is a good antidot to paranoia
[04:14] <JoeyDay> _jason: I appreciate the help, but I already know about sudo.
[04:14] <ajulius> see windows has open doors and windows
[04:14] <Krhis> hehehe... nice way of putting it, carl_
[04:14] <drew> can anyone help me with setting up my video card (intel 915)?
[04:14] <ngmlinux_> thanks again, you've made my day nickrude
[04:14] <nickrude> ngmlinux_, sudo is useful for remembering to be cautious; I disable the password part
[04:14] <JoeyDay> I'm trying to do this: 'sudo cat /dev/null > /etc/motd'
[04:14] <xangel36> it say reading database ....unpaking and now setting uo openlaslo
[04:14] <carl_> right.  by default nothing can connect to it
[04:14] <_jason> JoeyDay, you should be able to edit motd with sudo, are you getting an error?
[04:14] <JoeyDay> And it says Permission denied.
[04:14] <mustard5> xangel36, thats sounds promising
[04:14] <dderr> mustard5 : i figured out my problem truly bone headed, i was trying to install the nforce driver instead of the gforce driver..opps
[04:14] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef56:any ideas?
[04:14] <mustard5> dderr, :)
[04:14] <cvt> has anyone gotten any graphics intensive games for ubuntu?
[04:15] <xangel36> yeah o know but now i can type again so i dont think it work
[04:15] <djtansey> hello all. i am trying to rotate my screen. i have figured that part out. but now my mouse continues to move as if the screen hadn't been rotate. can you rotate the direction of your mouse?
[04:15] <Krhis> Quake 4. ^^
[04:15] <mustard5> dderr, we all do stuff like that ;)
[04:15] <JoeyDay> Well, I'm just editing the file in nano now. Seems to have worked.
[04:15] <JoeyDay> It must've just not liked what I was trying to do.
[04:15] <ScreaminIk1> armagetron...
[04:15] <ScreaminIk1> slune
[04:15] <Nameeater> Ubuntu has mountd my XP ntfs partition but I can't access it with the command line or gnome, what do i need to do to make it work?
[04:15] <cafuego> cvt: Yep.
[04:15] <mustard5> xangel36, is it finished installing?
[04:15] <xangel36> i suppose
[04:15] <dderr> mustard5 : glad to know it isn't just me
[04:15] <cafuego> ppracer, flighgear
[04:15] <mustard5> xangel36, well what instructions did they give you on running it?
[04:16] <xangel36> none
[04:16] <mustard5> xangel36, try typeing man openlaszlo
[04:16] <cvt> cafuego, cool.
[04:16] <mustard5> xangel36, or just openlaszlo
[04:16] <cafuego> cvt: Lots of stuff to make your gfx card do poo.
[04:17] <xangel36> none of the work
[04:17] <cafuego> cvt: If all else fails, blender.
[04:17] <nickrud> !tell Nameeater about ntfs
[04:17] <mustard5> xangel36, what is it supposed to do?
[04:17] <stef65> Does somebody happen to have a kernel-image with this $%&-via dri module enabled? Just fsck'd up the third compile this evening....
[04:17] <nickrud> Nameeater, the msg you just got should help with reading your ntfs partition
[04:18] <Nameeater> chur
[04:18] <cvt> when i get my pc to 32 bit instead of the current 64 bit for amd 64 i can install ubuntu and get those games.
[04:18] <Nameeater> any idea where the "url" bar in the file browser has gone? :/
[04:18] <carl_> how do I install using a .deb?
[04:18] <_jason> !deb
[04:18] <ubotu> methinks deb is To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:18] <xangel36> is a flash Gui-Building enviornent
[04:18] <carl_> thanks
[04:19] <cafuego> cvt: Yes, and they'll run fine (as opposed to in 64bit mode)
[04:19] <mustard5> xangel36, I would open synaptic..look in the STATUS tab section for the local and obselete section and find the information on what files where installed and where..then see if it installed a manual somewhere
[04:19] <cafuego> cvt: that's what I did 2 days ago.
[04:19] <nickrud> Nameeater, try hitting clt-l
[04:19] <xangel36> ok
[04:19] <cvt> cafuego, how did u change to 32 bit?
[04:20] <Nameeater> brilliant, thanks :) couldn't find it in the menu's
[04:20] <Krhis> Same here, I have a AMD64 3200+ and no problem with games.
[04:20] <cafuego> cvt: Wipe, reinstall.
[04:20] <bimberi> JoeyDay: "cat /dev/null | sudo tee /etc/motd" would work (the issue is that the > redirection runs as your normal user)
[04:20] <cvt> cafuego, ok cool
[04:20] <cafuego> As added bonus, in 32bit xvid files play just fine, DVDs work, flash works, java works..
[04:20] <JoeyDay> Right.
[04:20] <mustard5> xangel36, if its a manual stored in a .gz file you can use zcat to open it
[04:20] <xangel36> coul i type apt-get install openlaszlo?
[04:20] <JoeyDay> I found you can also just enclose the > part in quotes.
[04:21] <mustard5> xangel36, no
[04:21] <cafuego> cvt: I have /home on a separate partition, so it was all quite easy... all my data & settings were saved.
[04:21] <JoeyDay> sudo 'cat /dev/null > /etc/motd'
[04:21] <mustard5> xangel36, that installs from the online repostiry
[04:21] <mustard5> xangel36, you are installing locally..so you used the dpkg command
[04:21] <cvt> cafuego, how many gB's did u partition for settings?
[04:21] <mustard5> xangel36, synaptic will have it in the local and obselete section now
[04:21] <nickrud> JoeyDay, I could kiss you :)
[04:22] <mustard5> xangel36, as you installed it 'local'
[04:22] <cafuego> cvt: My /home is 48GB
[04:22] <JoeyDay> nickrud: ??
[04:22] <xangel36> if i do the apt-get it says openlaszlo is already the newst version but i cant see it in the aplications directory
[04:22] <mustard5> xangel36, there are options in the synaptic menu to display the information and where the file installed stuff and what files were installed
[04:23] <mustard5> xangel36, it would only know about the applications menu if it was a package made for ubuntu
[04:23] <bimberi> JoeyDay: i get "sudo: cat /dev/null > /etc/motd: command not found" ??
[04:23] <xangel36> ohh
[04:23] <mustard5> xangel36, this is just a random package for general use
[04:23] <nickrud> JoeyDay, I've a few lines in some scripts I would like to set up that that will work extremely well on. Thank you.
[04:23] <xangel36> ok
[04:23] <mustard5> xangel36, ideally they would have included instructions :)
[04:23] <ryan> i'm a little confused about burning dvds here, my initial reaction was to place the VIDEO_TS folder in nautilus cd/dvd creation window and burn it, which worked fine. of course (and as i expected) it didn't play in my home burner or even in totem/mplayer. after researching the actual way to do it i see there is a cdrecord-ProDVD version, but i'm rather perplexed because it seems to need a license, also seems to only cut 1gb of data, yet it also se
[04:24] <mustard5> xangel36, but since they haven't then you need to study up how to run it
[04:24] <s0n1cm0nk3y> stef56: ok, I booted into gnome to make things easier (I hope at least) what should I do?
[04:24] <xangel36> thats kind of hard sience im new to linux
[04:24] <ryan> just fine. the cdrecord-ProDVD binaries all seem to be quite old, too. I'm wondering if it has been superceded now?
[04:24] <mustard5> xangel36, you could try typeing in the first part of the name and then hitting TAB twice and see what options there are to choose from that look like that might start it up
[04:24] <nalioth> ryan: it is free for personal use, but k3b makes dvds just fine
[04:24] <mustard5> xangel36, or you could even try hitting alt+f2 typing in a few letters and see if it autocompletes the command to start it
[04:25] <xangel36> what good books could i buy to lear linux and how to install aplicatios on terminal?
[04:25] <ryan> nalioth; so cdrecord on its own (while it did burn the complete dvd with the data accessable to me) can't do it, even if i use mkisofs -dvd-video, but k3b can?
[04:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xangel36 about cli
[04:25] <mustard5> xangel36, there are a number of online resources
[04:25] <mustard5> ubotu, has sent you some links to try
[04:25] <ubotu> Wish i knew, mustard5
[04:25] <nalioth> xangel36: check your PM, no $ necessary
[04:26] <nalioth> ryan: i use k3b all the time to do dvd
[04:26] <xangel36> ok
[04:26] <mustard5> xangel36, if you hang out in here you will soon start picking up some things too ;)
[04:27] <mustard5> xangel36, it all becomes second nature after a while
[04:27] <xangel36> thats what im planing to do when my clases ends tomorrow
[04:27] <mustard5> xangel36, I've only been on linux myself since June...
[04:27] <bshumate> bimberi / JoeyDay : using sudo with a subshell allows redirection to work, e.g. :  sudo sh -c "echo foo > /etc/motd"
[04:27] <bshumate> man sudo ;-)
[04:27] <dderr> mustard5 : yeah twin view is working
[04:27] <Squee-D> is there a resource dedicated to setting up ubuntu as a media center pc?
[04:27] <ngmlinux_> nickrude, you still there?
[04:27] <mustard5> dderr, well done
[04:28] <ngmlinux_> nickrude I have one more question if you have a sec
[04:28] <dderr> it only took me about 2 days
[04:28] <xangel36> i like this stuff sience im always been a mac user
[04:28] <s0n1cm0nk3y> anyone else here know something about xfce?
[04:28] <mustard5> dderr, I'm sure you learnt a lot in that time :)
[04:28] <coag> mustard5: i seem to have you by a couple years
[04:28] <mustard5> coag, hehe yeah
[04:28] <coag> biut i can't seem to get rid of windows all the way
[04:28] <Hobbsee> s0n1cm0nk3y: in #xfce ?
[04:28] <coag> that will change when i get my new computer this christmas
[04:28] <coag> this will be my ubuntu server machine
[04:28] <ngmlinux_> I'm getting a /bin/sh: gcc: command not found -> http://pastebin.com/464742
[04:28] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hobbsee, is that on freenode?
[04:29] <dderr> recap ctrl-alt-backspace, /etc/inid.d/gdm restart
[04:29] <Hobbsee> s0n1cm0nk3y: yep
[04:29] <mustard5> coag, I was on windows98se so the change was not that hard to make...win98 was driving me batty
[04:29] <coag> O.O
[04:29] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hobbsee: thanks I'll check it out
[04:29] <coag> 98?
[04:29] <mustard5> coag, yeah 98se
[04:29] <coag> gosh, it's been a few eyars since i used 98
[04:29] <coag> years
[04:29] <Hentai^XP> get rid of 98!
[04:29] <dderr> and i hosed my system so many times w/ dselect that i learned about aptitude
[04:29] <mustard5> coag, XP was too costly for me
[04:29] <Hentai^XP> to teh death of 98!
[04:29] <coag> mustard5: i see how the change was easy :P
[04:29] <fer> Hi There
[04:29] <xangel36> well mustard5 thanks a lit for your help and time take care good bye
[04:30] <coag> mustard5: i get windows software free :) msdn
[04:30] <mustard5> xangel36, ok  have fun!
[04:30] <dderr> msdn sellout --> as i sip a cup of starbucks coffee
[04:30] <nalioth> coag: i can get dog poop for free.
[04:30] <coag> dderr: haha
[04:30] <coag> nalioth: so we are on the same ground i see!
[04:30] <mustard5> dderr, yeah I became quite proficient at reinstalling myself when I first started
[04:31] <Squee-D> My Suburban Dog Network
[04:31] <Squee-D> ?
[04:31] <ngmlinux_> anybody ever get a /bin/sh: gcc: command not found error before?
[04:31] <BlueEagle> mustard5: Did you reinstall yourself? o.O
[04:31] <Hentai^XP> coag: how you get MSDN?
[04:31] <Squee-D> ngmlinux_ yes when i didnt have gcc installed
[04:31] <ngmlinux_> you'd think the ubuntu people could at least get that right
[04:31] <Hentai^XP> uni ?
[04:31] <mustard5> BlueDevil, :)
[04:31] <Kyral> ngmlinux_: sudo apt-get install build-essiential
[04:31] <coag> Hentai^XP: my mom teaches at a tech school and doesnt use her account
[04:31] <ngmlinux_> thanks Kyral
[04:31] <mustard5> ngmlinux_, without the typo ;)
[04:31] <Kyral> ngmlinux_: but spell it right
[04:31] <BlueEagle> mustard5: No, that's my evil twin. :p
[04:31] <ngmlinux_> Kyral stuff keeps uninstalling everytime i update
[04:31] <dderr> i need to replace the HD and reinstall osx next
[04:31] <Squee-D> you dont need gcc on a base install
[04:32] <ngmlinux_> essential
[04:32] <Squee-D> as FREAKY as that sounds :P
[04:32] <Hentai^XP> coag: get me server 2000!
[04:32] <coag> Hentai^XP: that would be illegal!
[04:32] <mustard5> BlueEagle, doh
[04:32] <dderr> that kind of scares me
[04:32] <songyi> hello
[04:32] <BlueEagle> mustard5: ;D
[04:32] <coag> Hentai^XP: why would you want to use windows for a server anyways
[04:32] <coag> Hentai^XP: that is just plain foolishness
[04:32] <ngmlinux_> "couldn't stat this and that"
[04:32] <Hentai^XP> coag: come into #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:32] <ngmlinux_> Kyral
[04:33] <mustard5> ngmlinux_, there was a typo in the command...
[04:33] <dderr> hears the deal, i you are a developer and you want to use open source tools, windows truly suck
[04:33] <mustard5> ngmlinux_, its build-essential
[04:33] <_jason> I reformatted my fat32 partition (hda5) to ext3 using gparted.  Upon reboot gparted correctly displays hda5 as ext3, however 'fdisk -l' lists hda5 as 'W95 FAT32' under the 'Systems' column.  Why would this be?
[04:33] <dderr> and will make your life difficult
[04:33] <ngmlinux_> yeah that's what i did
[04:33] <Squee-D> dderr thats a little overstated
[04:33] <Kyral> _jason: its okay
[04:33] <mustard5> ngmlinux_, paste exactly the command you typed in in here
[04:33] <ngmlinux_> sudo apt-get update
[04:33] <ngmlinux_> then i'll try again mustard5
[04:33] <mustard5> ngmlinux_, ah ok
[04:34] <Kyral> ngmlinux_: are you using any "odd" repos?
[04:34] <_jason> Kyral, lol if you say so, can you give me a term I can google or something?  I'd like to understand why and I've been searching but with no luck
[04:34] <Kyral> _jason: I have no idea, but it happened to me and ran fine :D
[04:34] <dderr> Squee-D : depends what you are doing, but gnu type tools + plus windows usually means pain
[04:35] <_jason> Kyral, ah okay :)  It's now my home directory so I hope it runs fine!
[04:35] <Kyral> _jason: I think its just whatever identifier that the partitioner put there
[04:36] <intelikey> anyone have da'as where the config file is that controls where apt searches for a cdrom ?
[04:36] <_jason> Kyral, alright thanks, I feel a little more comfortable about it now
[04:36] <Squee-D> dderr well you qualified your statement a lot better that time. I stll have little trouble using cyg and dev-cpp. but it really does depend on what your building, who for, etc.
[04:36] <ngmlinux_> odd repos?
[04:36] <ngmlinux_> I hope not
[04:36] <mustard5> intelikey, you can add a cdrom via synaptic
[04:36] <ngmlinux_> you never know ubuntu is very high maintenance
[04:37] <dderr> Squee-D : I battled the java + cygwin canundrum enough that I prefer osX or linux
[04:37] <Squee-D> i dont have any great love of Windows but i take no shame in using it daily to develop software and as my usual desktop environment
[04:37] <Kyral> ngmlinux_: PLF?
[04:37] <mustard5> ngmlinux_, it is at the start ...but I hardly do anything to it now
[04:37] <intelikey> mustard5 i have added via apt-cdrom using the -d /mount/point  but it is still looking for it on /cdrom
[04:37] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, not really that high maintenance, it's just not what you're used to
[04:38] <ngmlinux_> i've only been using linux for 5 years
[04:38] <ngmlinux_> windows and mac os for like 20
[04:38] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, debian?
[04:38] <Kyral> I consider XP high maintenance ;P
[04:38] <Squee-D> hehehe. ngmlinux_ try Gentoo. thats high maint
[04:38] <ngmlinux_> debain for maybe 7 months
[04:38] <dderr> Squee-D : I just ordered visual studio pro today for windows mobile development, but I still love the the *nix philosophy
[04:38] <ngmlinux_> i used a stripped down gentoo on an embedded system
[04:38] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, about the same, and it took about 2 hours to set this up
[04:38] <ngmlinux_> MUCH harder than regular gentoo
[04:38] <ngmlinux_> no package management
[04:39] <mustard5> intelikey, hmmm...not sure..never used apt-cdrom myself
[04:39] <Squee-D> well gentoo minus package management == LFS
[04:39] <ngmlinux_> linux had it's day
[04:39] <intelikey> so does anyone have knowledge of where the config file is that controls where apt searches for a cdrom ?
[04:39] <ngmlinux_> well
[04:39] <ngmlinux_> linux based stuff
[04:39] <ThePredator> everything I try to compile says cpp is not sane when I run ./configure
[04:39] <ngmlinux_> benifits a lot from the work of linux
[04:39] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, no package management?
[04:39] <ThePredator> gcc is current
[04:39] <mustard5> intelikey, is the mount point in fstab and mounted properly?
[04:39] <ngmlinux_> nope stripped down gentoo to run on 128MB of flash
[04:40] <dderr> etc / apt / sources.list
[04:40] <Squee-D> ngmlinux_ sounds like fun none the less
[04:40] <intelikey> mustard5 yes and yes.   in fact it umounts it and then looks for it in /cdrom
[04:40] <ngmlinux_> pain in the ass
[04:40] <nickrud> sorry, read out of context
[04:40] <ThePredator> anybody know what could be the problem?
[04:40] <Squee-D> ngmlinux_ what processor?
[04:40] <ngmlinux_> sorry idk if i'm alowed to say that
[04:40] <ngmlinux_> elan on that machine
[04:40] <mustard5> intelikey, hmmm...frustrating :)
[04:40] <ngmlinux_> no wait
[04:40] <ngmlinux_> ivc3
[04:40] <intelikey> somewhat
[04:40] <Squee-D> ivc3, they use that in the new squeezebox yeah?
[04:41] <mustard5> could you edit the sources.list entry by hand?
[04:41] <ThePredator> so nobody knows what could be wrong wiht my cpp?
[04:41] <ngmlinux_> ok it looks like apt-get build-essentials is working now
[04:41] <Kyral> mustard5: yes you can lol
[04:41] <Adyeths> anyone know how to get an old zip drive to work in ubuntu?
[04:41] <intelikey> mustard5 who ?
[04:41] <sethk> ngmlinux_, there is an acronym for that (PITA)
[04:41] <mustard5> intelikey, that was for you
[04:41] <sethk> Adyeths, parallel port or SCSI?
[04:41] <Adyeths> its an internal zip drive.
[04:42] <mustard5> intelikey, I take it you are not on gnome?
[04:42] <intelikey> hehhe that info is not in /etc/apt/sources.list   if i knew where it was i would surely edit it.
[04:42] <Adyeths> it SORTOF works. but I can't seem to get the disks to mount.
[04:42] <Adyeths> and I really need to get some info off this one zip disk I have. :/
[04:42] <sethk> Adyeths, internal is probably IDE
[04:42] <intelikey> mustard5 no i need to get apt working before that is even possable.
[04:43] <Adyeths> yes. I believe its ide.
[04:43] <mustard5> intelikey, ok..well what if I add a cdrom to my sources.list via synaptic and show you the entry from my sources.list?
[04:43] <dderr> its the first line of sources.list
[04:43] <intelikey> mustard5 it will look just like mine.
[04:43] <mustard5> intelikey, well what are you on?
[04:43] <Adyeths> I know its /dev/hdb4 .... and I can read directly from it... but I can't seem to get it to mount.
[04:44] <intelikey> the mount point for the cdrom is not     i repete  NOT in sources.list mustard5
[04:44] <mustard5> intelikey, I understand that..but isnt the aim to get a CD entry in your sources.list?
[04:45] <ngmlinux_> "E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel" when I tried to apt-get install ncurses-devel
[04:45] <intelikey> mustard5 no.  i have that   no problemo
[04:45] <ngmlinux_> anybody on that one?
[04:45] <mustard5> intelikey, k
[04:45] <mustard5> intelikey, I'm missing the point of the exercise I guess
[04:46] <Squee-D> oooh looky, my first ever ubuntu login screen :)
[04:46] <intelikey> mustard5 yes i think so.
[04:46] <mustard5> Squee-D, now the fun begins :)
[04:47] <Squee-D> no mouse == the biggest fun
[04:47] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, try libncurses5-dev
[04:47] <dderr> Thanks for the help everyone
[04:47] <Adyeths> so... anyone know how I can get these zip disks to mount?
[04:47] <ngmlinux_> http://pastebin.com/464765
[04:47] <_jason> update-notifier is hogging my cpu, can I tell it to stop and come back later?
[04:47] <ngmlinux_> ok, thanks nickru, i'll give that a shot
[04:47] <Squee-D> actually the biggest fun is going to be getting my hpt 370 chip behaving and to move the drive to a different node in /dev/
[04:48] <nickrud> intelikey, I've just been watching, but apt-cdrom man page mentions that the mount point needs to be defined in fstab. If you know that already, sorry
[04:49] <mustard5> nickrud, I brought that up earlier :)
[04:49] <intelikey> nickrud yeah i got that,  thanks tho
[04:49] <nickrud> mustard5, heh, well, I tried
[04:50] <mustard5> intelikey, so what is the mount point you are trying to get to?
[04:50] <intelikey> mustard5 /home/<user>/disk
[04:50] <ngmlinux_> nickrud, I don't know where people learn this stuff but that worked!
[04:51] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, aptitude search ncurses
[04:51] <nickrud> ngmlinux_, and, about 5 years of debian/ubuntu :)
[04:51] <intelikey> mustard5 i could ln -s /home/<name>/disk /cdrom  but that would kinda defete part of the purpose.
[04:53] <intelikey> it looks like i'll have to just to install synaptic and try from there.
[04:53] <mustard5> intelikey, yeah..I havent had much luck finding anything in the manuals
[04:53] <Chadza> Hey, anyone know what I need to install to watch .wmv's?
[04:54] <_jason> ubotu, tell Chadza about w32codecs
[04:54] <Chadza> I already have w32codecs installed.
[04:54] <mustard5> intelikey, what about the -m option ?
[04:54] <_jason> Chadza, what player are you using
[04:55] <Chadza> Totem dies on them and .movs and vlc plays the audio, but no video.
[04:55] <mustard5> intelikey, in the apt-cdrom manual there is a -m option that seems vaguely relevant
[04:55] <_jason> Chadza, try totem-xine or mplayer
[04:55] <intelikey> i have removed the cdrom entry from sources.list and apt-get update'd  then apt-cdrom add -m(and-d) /mount/point  and apt-get update. but it still don't find  it.
[04:55] <Chadza> Okay, lemme play.
[04:55] <mustard5> intelikey, hmmm bummer
[04:55] <encompass> Good Morning everyone
[04:55] <_jason> Chadza, for totem-xine, just isntall the totem-xine package in synaptic (will replace totem-gstreamer).  For mpalyer, ubotu will send you a link
[04:55] <_jason> ubotu, tell Chadza about mplayer
[04:56] <mkyb14> anyone ever get awstats to work?
[04:56] <Chadza> _jason, You are my hero of the day.
[04:57] <encompass> I am trying to setup my firewall, is there a way to open ports up without showing they are open... in otherwords I want to open some ports but want themn to remain stealthed.  is that possible?
[04:57] <_jason> Chadza, great!
[04:57] <nickrud> encompass, I'm not an iptables guru, but I think you can do that only by specifying particular hosts you'd allow to connect
[04:58] <encompass> hmm
[04:58] <encompass> yeah
[04:58] <encompass> dang, my hosts change
[04:59] <Chadza> _jason, w00t, I can play a vid in totem now that crashed iTunes and Quicktime.
[04:59] <nickrud> encompass, look into dyndns.org, you can get some dns stuff set up there, and name the hosts
[05:00] <encompass> on yet another note.
[05:00] <intelikey> well i've got this install so casterated that it may have something to do with there being no locales installed
[05:00] <ngmlinux_> thanks everybody for the help
[05:00] <ngmlinux_> thanks nickrud
[05:00] <ngmlinux_> I'm heading out
[05:00] <encompass> does anyone know of a company that sells prebuilt ubuntu computers?
[05:00] <nickrud> bye ngmlinux_
[05:00] <ngmlinux_> getting a bunch of warnings compiling my kernel but no errors yet, fingers crossed
[05:00] <ngmlinux_> later
[05:02] <intelikey> nickrud yeah......
[05:02] <encompass> haha
[05:02] <encompass> cause you can
[05:02] <encompass> haha
[05:02] <Chadza> encompass, HP was talking about putting it on their laptops, but I haven't checked into it since I heard that this past summer.
[05:03] <PoW> I recently installed the gstreamer xvid codecs, but it seems my audio is way out of sync. Anyone have a clue on how to fix this?
[05:03] <Nameeater> I'm trying to install Opera browser, but it complains that it can't get libqt3c102-mt, which it cant because it is now just libqt3
[05:03] <Nameeater> what can i do to make it install opera anyway?
[05:04] <intelikey> is there a way to remove a vertual package ?
[05:04] <mustard5> Nameeater, I would think there would be ways of installing opera without that lib
[05:04] <mustard5> Nameeater, I've never tried though
[05:04] <nickrud> !opera
[05:04] <ubotu> Opera isn't in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and get then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[05:04] <konfuzed> alvyn: hello
[05:04] <mustard5> Nameeater, try going over the guide that ubotu showed above
[05:05] <alvyn> hello evryone
[05:05] <Nameeater> i have
[05:05] <Nameeater> it doesn't help me with this package :/
[05:05] <PoW> What's the command to install .deb files?
[05:05] <PoW> packages*
[05:05] <konfuzed> alvyn: even though you may see my name listed on the left
[05:05] <konfuzed> it does not nescesarily mean that I am physically whatching the screen
[05:05] <encompass> I want to setup my computer for remote administration threw a graphical and ssh client.  How do I setup gnome to recieve new account logins over the net.  and How do I let the proper ports threw for both ssh and xvnc
[05:05] <intelikey> PoW dpkg -i
[05:05] <intelikey> PoW man dpkg
[05:05] <MoonRanger> is their guide or walkthrough for upgrading Firefox in ubuntu to 1.5
[05:06] <PoW> oh ya
[05:06] <PoW> thanks
[05:06] <nickrud> Nameeater, check to be sure you got the right deb from opera
[05:06] <mustard5> Nameeater, it mentions in the guide about the 'qt shared' version ..ist there another version?
[05:06] <nickrud> firefox15
[05:06] <encompass> MoonRanger: shouldn't it do it after a while?
[05:06] <sklav> Hi guys
[05:06] <encompass> hi
[05:06] <nickrud> !firefox15
[05:06] <ubotu> firefox15 is, like, totally, see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[05:06] <Nameeater> I tried the repo way so i didn't have to set up all that stuff, but it hasn't worked so i will download the opera.com version now
[05:06] <nickrud> MoonRanger, ^^^
[05:06] <mustard5> Nameeater, the qt shared version will give you a missing file problem
[05:07] <sklav> i think there is an issue with firefox 1.5
[05:07] <MoonRanger> ok
[05:07] <sklav> check the website before running to install
[05:07] <sklav> i think something about a buffer overflow
[05:07] <mustard5> sklav, I have heard some problems about it freezing
[05:07] <sklav> maybe it was that
[05:08] <sklav> i read to much security stuff to begin with i might have crossed my wires
[05:08] <mustard5> sklav, yeah.. I read a security flaw was discovered or something
[05:08] <mustard5> sklav, and that the flaw caused the freezing
[05:08] <sklav> were :o hehe
[05:09] <sklav> after a while of procrastinating i figured my new project is a to compete with linuxtoda.com
[05:09] <sklav> hehe
[05:09] <sklav> see how long before i realize it a dead end attempt
[05:09] <sklav> oops linuxtoday.com
[05:09] <sklav> is what i meant
[05:10] <intelikey> hmmm apt-get install language-pack-en-base  wants to install 21.4M of files    lol talk about bloat.
[05:10] <nickrud> Nameeater, I did aptitutde install libqt3-mt xlibs , and opera*shared*etch installed fine
[05:10] <sklav> better than all languague packs
[05:10] <sklav> ;)
[05:10] <Goldfisch> I was investigating loading airsnort on my ubuntu laptop to play with my wireless madwifi card. Do you guys recommend that or another tool.
[05:11] <intelikey> sklav that's just 62m
[05:11] <sklav> go for it all you might pick up a new language
[05:11] <sklav> ;)
[05:11] <konfuzed> hey
[05:11] <Nameeater> nickrud: wierd, i haev both those packages and it still died :)
[05:12] <intelikey> daus to kahn not
[05:12] <sklav> i must say my ubuntu servers rocks
[05:12] <techrush> i wasnt able to do much with airsnort
[05:12] <Nameeater> does the breezy apt source.list have all the extra repo's in it? (multiverse etc)
[05:12] <sklav> yes Nameeater
[05:12] <nickrud> Nameeater, and opera sure looks different to me now :)
[05:12] <nickrud> Nameeater, not by default, no
[05:12] <mustard5> Nameeater, you may need to enable them
[05:12] <sklav> you need to uncomment them
[05:12] <wuming> how can I set the DNS server ?
[05:12] <Nameeater> i've uncommented all the lines
[05:12] <intelikey> !repos
[05:12] <ubotu> somebody said repos was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[05:13] <Nameeater> but i only see multiverse on the back-ports one
[05:13] <DrBair> Goldfisch:  aircrack is much better
[05:13] <Goldfisch> techrush: I'm led to believe it uses linux-wlan-ng, which is NOT what I have on my laptop.
[05:13] <nickrud> Nameeater, add multiverse to every line that has universe in it
[05:13] <Goldfisch> DrBair: I will check that out.
[05:13] <wuming> !dns
[05:13] <ubotu> wuming: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:13] <sklav> time to play some socom 3
[05:13] <sklav> i see you guys later on
[05:14] <mustard5> wuming, you on gnome?
[05:14] <encompass> bye
[05:14] <sklav> i switched after torvalds said it sucked hehe
[05:14] <wuming> mustard5:yes
[05:14] <sklav> not
[05:14] <mustard5> wuming, have you tried system>>administration>>networking?
[05:14] <nickrud> Nameeater, the package I got for ubuntu was opera_8.51-20051114.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb
[05:15] <sklav> or just edit the /etc/resolv.conf to add dns entries
[05:15] <Nameeater> from the opera repo or their website?
[05:15] <ElitePete> i seem to have lost my volume icon can somone help me find it :-)
[05:15] <nickrud> Nameeater, off the website (I hit the green button)
[05:15] <mustard5> ElitePete, add a panel
[05:15] <ejofee> is there any way i could switch to dapper drake as an upgrade (that is, without reformatting partition)?
[05:15] <wuming> mustard5: there is nothing I can do about DNS there~,in the networking tools
[05:16] <Nameeater> nod, i tried the repo before, i am downloading from the website now, wanted to save having to fix up the config stuff that isn't added by using the repo x)
[05:16] <ElitePete> mustard5 i did
[05:16] <ElitePete> doesn't show up.
[05:16] <mustard5> ElitePete, the volume applet is in Add to panel option
[05:16] <emanuel> Hello, is gmake equals to make in ubuntu?
[05:16] <mustard5> ElitePete, ah ok
[05:16] <ptlo> emanuel: gmake == make on all linux distributions
[05:16] <nickrud> I almost never use an outside repo, I'd rather get the strange deb and resolve dependencies myself
[05:16] <ElitePete> i hit addd
[05:17] <ElitePete> and it doesn't show up..
[05:17] <mustard5> wuming, you don't have a TAB with DNS on it in networking?
[05:17] <emanuel> Ah... so, I just can add a symlink to make, right?
[05:17] <mustard5> wuming, try editing your etc/resolv.conf file
[05:17] <wuming> mustard5:sorry, found it just now
[05:17] <ElitePete> mustard5 i hit add ant it doesn't show up
[05:18] <mustard5> ElitePete, maybe its hidden or something
[05:18] <ElitePete> well, how do i un hide that mofo.
[05:18] <abdul> anyone know how to get .wmv files to work on firefox?
[05:18] <mustard5> ElitePete, hehehe..I'm not sure..just trying to think of a solution :)
[05:19] <nickrud> abdul, aptitude install totem-xine , and read the following link:
[05:19] <wuming> mustard5: I add another dns server, close the program, start the program again, check the dns setting, the one I add isnot there
[05:19] <nickrud> !w32codecs
[05:19] <nickrud> !tell abdul about 32codecs
[05:20] <nickrud> !tell abdul about w32codecs
[05:20] <nickrud> duh
[05:20] <quacker> hmmm, anyone here use the ghnuchess or phalanx with the new knghts (kde front end)?
[05:20] <Phoenix1701> Hey all...  trying to boot Ubuntu off CD for the first time, and not having a very good time of it.  It doesn't seem to recognize either my Logitech or Kensington keyboard, either plugged into a USB or PS2 port.  Any tips on how to get it to recognize one or the other?
[05:20] <ElitePete> can anyone help me my volume icon has been stolen!
[05:20] <quacker> It just thinks forever -- on the FIRST move.
[05:21] <nickrud> ElitePete, right click the panel, add->volume control or such
[05:21] <ElitePete> i did, it doesn't show up
[05:21] <Phoenix1701> Anyone have any thoughts on my keyboard issue?
[05:22] <nickrud> ElitePete, does your sound work?
[05:22] <ElitePete> works fine
[05:22] <nickrud> strange
[05:22] <abdul> nickrud, im getting an error
[05:22] <ElitePete> alsamixer comes up no problem in terminal
[05:22] <ElitePete> just my icon has been stolen
[05:22] <nickrud> ElitePete, try switching to another theme, then back
[05:22] <ElitePete> Aight
[05:22] <abdul> nickrud, please keep in mind im still on hoary hedgehog, i hope you know how to do it on hoary hedgehog
[05:23] <ubuntu_newbie> can anyone help - trying to upgrade freepops - only .deb available for ubuntu
[05:23] <nickrud> abdul, yeah, so, some different advice :0
[05:23] <ElitePete> nickrud, no l0ve
[05:24] <Phoenix1701> Ookay, I'm going to take everyone's silence as a request for more information, so here goes: the keyboard works fine in the BIOS, but when it gets to the Ubuntu boot prompt the caps lock key no longer causes a light on the keyboard.
[05:24] <Phoenix1701> It seems, for all intents and purposes, dead, even though the BIOS liked it just fine.
[05:24] <ce_14thn_jomblo> hai!
[05:24] <ElitePete> Phoenix Breezy or hoary?
[05:24] <nickrud> abdul, install mplayer (wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto) then install mozilla-mplayer, and then the w32codecs.
[05:24] <abdul> ??
[05:24] <Phoenix1701> ElitePete: Breezy, just downloaded tonight.
[05:24] <ElitePete> hm
[05:24] <Phoenix1701> It's Kubuntu, to be precise.
[05:24] <ce_14thn_jomblo> abdul
[05:25] <abdul> yes
[05:25] <Phoenix1701> Would a Mac keyboard suffice?  I have a couple of those...
[05:25] <nickrud> abdul, that's what I used for media on hoary
[05:25] <ElitePete> it's usb phoenix?
[05:25] <ce_14thn_jomblo> chat sama i yuuu
[05:25] <Phoenix1701> Yeah.  Both of 'em are USB...  but I have a USB/PS2 adapter I tried too, no joy.
[05:25] <ElitePete> hm.
[05:25] <bz0b> hello all
[05:25] <ElitePete> i dunno man, tried another usb port?
[05:25] <bz0b> how is everyone tonight?
[05:26] <jordo23_> What's the default location for wallpapers in Ubuntu?
[05:26] <nickrud> ElitePete, I'm not sure about what you got wrong :) Try creating a new panel, and add it there, for kicks
[05:26] <bz0b> Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do for a brand new install of ubuntu 5.10 other than an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:27] <Phoenix1701> I'm going to try the keyboard on this Mac...  so forgive my silence for a bit.
[05:27] <nickrud> bz0b, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:27] <ElitePete> nope nick
[05:27] <ElitePete> everything else adds fine
[05:27] <wuming> how to setup a local dns server?
[05:27] <ubuntu_> hi all
[05:27] <tipnmo> i downloaded the trial of cross over office.. but i dont know how to install it.. i tried follow some directions i found on the ubuntu forums.. but thye didnt work
[05:28] <tipnmo> i typed sh install install-crossover-standard-demo-5.0.0.sh
[05:28] <DrBair> tipnmo:  did you chmod +x the file?
[05:28] <nickrud> ElitePete, at this point, I have no clue. I'd drop out of x, move .gconf out of the way, and try again.
[05:28] <tipnmo> drbair: i didnt not... i dont know what chmod is
[05:28] <jessemans> tipnmo: just try "sh install-crossover-standard-demo-5.0.0.sh"
[05:29] <jordo23_> Does anyone know the default wallpaper location for Ubuntu's Gnome?
[05:29] <DrBair> tipnmo:  do a man chmod for more info on it.  basically it changes permissions of stuff
[05:29] <jessemans> tipnmo: no "install" qualifier
[05:29] <tipnmo> install is part of the file name
[05:29] <jessemans> tipnmo: you have install in there twice
[05:29] <ardchoille> jordo23_: /usr/share/backgrounds ?
[05:29] <tipnmo> drbair: ok i am going to try sh install-crossover-standard-demo-5.0.0.sh
[05:30] <tipnmo> drbair: and it worked
[05:30] <tipnmo> thanks
[05:30] <jessemans> tipnmo: ownage
[05:30] <jessemans> tipnmo: any time you want to run a *.sh, all it needs is a sh in front ... usually
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> kfuryedytduyoi
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> khklj
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> jihik
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> hkjjh
[05:31] <Squee-D> I set up my network card in /etc/network/interfaces and im sure that the right module is loaded (8139too) and the interface shows as up.. yet i cant ping any other machines.
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> llllllllllllllllll
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> plol
[05:31] <abdul> does xmms play wmv?
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> ??????????????????????///////////
[05:31] <Squee-D> short of a suddenly dead network cable, is there somthething i can check ?
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo> kjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhiutcd56de87i
[05:31] <ce_14thn_jomblo><PHONE_NUMBER>1111111111111
[05:31] <ElitePete> c3
[05:32] <ElitePete> ce* stop spamming
[05:32] <Krhis> ce_14thn_jomblo, yes, we can see your text. It's working.
[05:32] <Krhis> Thank you.
[05:32] <ElitePete> indeed.
[05:32] <abdul> nickrud, does XMMS play .wmv?
[05:33] <ElitePete> abdul, i believe xms plays everything with the right codec
[05:33] <nickrud> abdul, I'm not sure but I think so. I don't have any .wmv's
[05:33] <nickrud> !freeformats
[05:33] <ubotu> freeformats is, like, There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[05:34] <abdul> i need a codec i quess because its not playing
[05:34] <abdul> how do i install a codec?
[05:34] <ElitePete> sudo apt-get install w32 codecs
[05:34] <nickrud> !w32codecs
[05:34] <Phoenix1701> Looks like one keyboard in particular, plugged into the PS2 adapter, actually works.
[05:34] <ubuntu_newbie> how do i install .deb packages?
[05:34] <Phoenix1701> So yay.
[05:34] <nickrud> abdul, those are for mplayer, which does play wmv's
[05:35] <bimberi> ubuntu_newbie: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[05:35] <ElitePete> ^ what he said
[05:35] <Phoenix1701> bimberi: Can't you also do that through the GUI?
[05:35] <ubuntu_newbie> thanx
[05:35] <gp_aaron> anyone know if the iRiver PMC120 works with ubuntu?
[05:35] <nickrud> Phoenix1701, not yet, but dapper will have an app that can
[05:35] <Phoenix1701> Oh?  Hm.  I thought Aptitude could.
[05:35] <bimberi> Phoenix1701: not that i know of
[05:36] <Phoenix1701> Curious.  May need to reread the docs.
[05:36] <nickrud> Phoenix1701, not a stray deb like that, only ones that exist in a repo
[05:36] <Hentai^XP> anyone know a good networking diagram tool for free?
[05:36] <nalioth> _jason: may i help you?
[05:36] <abdul> it wont let me install them
[05:36] <bimberi> alt-f2 (run in terminal) perhaps
[05:37] <nickrud> abdul, what won't let you install what?
[05:39] <abdul> terminal, im trying that stuff the link you gave me told me to do
[05:39] <abdul> it says : no such file or directory
[05:39] <intelikey> E PPP daemon has died (exit code = 4)     code 4 is ppp not supported by the kernel ?  what am i missing here?
[05:39] <Phoenix1701> Hentai^XP: How about Dia?
[05:39] <Hentai^XP> DIA?
[05:39] <Hentai^XP> have a url for it?
[05:39] <Phoenix1701> Yup.  http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ <-- Dia.
[05:40] <rhoffaa> whats good for burning .iso images with linux
[05:40] <ryan> rhoffaa: using gnome?
[05:41] <rhoffaa> ye
[05:41] <ardchoille> rhoffaa: you can use graveman or k3b
[05:41] <intelikey> anyone else on dialup ?    could you do a 'lsmod | grep ppp '  for me and tell me the name of the modules loaded for ppp  ?
[05:41] <bimberi> rhoffaa: nautilus (right-click, write-to cd/dvd)
[05:41] <ryan> right click on the iso file,and select "write to disc"
[05:41] <Hentai^XP> ok Phoenix1701  that will do  seeing it has a win bin
[05:41] <ryan> bimberi's quicker ;)
[05:41] <Phoenix1701> Er, you're on Windows?
[05:41] <Hentai^XP> Phoenix1701: yes
[05:41] <rhoffaa> is nautilus already on gnome?
[05:41] <bimberi> but ryan is more correct i think (disc not cd/dvd) :)
[05:41] <rhoffaa> ubuntu
[05:41] <ryan> rhoffaa its the filemanager
[05:41] <Phoenix1701> So...  dare I ask, why ask in #ubuntu?  :)
[05:42] <ryan> just go to your homefolder or wherever your iso is
[05:42] <Hentai^XP> Phoenix1701: hang out place
[05:42] <Phoenix1701> Fair enough.  :)
[05:42] <ryan> i just finished successfully burning a dvd movie with nautilus, after i made the iso with mkisofs -dvd-video :)
[05:43] <ryan> plays on my home player and everything :D
[05:43] <Phoenix1701> Now, if you were using Mac, I'd recommend OmniGraffle instead.
[05:43] <Phoenix1701> But I don't know of anything for Windows that approaches that.
[05:43] <bimberi> ryan: did you have to shrink it?
[05:43] <intelikey> testing brb
[05:43] <Hentai^XP> Phoenix1701:  also collect info
[05:43] <Phoenix1701> Ah?  For what?
[05:44] <ryan> bimberi: nope
[05:44] <Howi> What's so good about KDE?  Should I switch to it?  Torvalds says we should here- http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215&from=rss
[05:44] <ryan> the movie was only 4.4g as is
[05:44] <Hentai^XP> Phoenix1701:  anything
[05:44] <bimberi> ryan: k :)
[05:44] <nickrud> abdul, sorry I was gone for a bit. Which file?
[05:44] <Hentai^XP> Phoenix1701:  anything that I come across that might be useful to me
[05:44] <Phoenix1701> Howi: KDE and Gnome are just two different answers to the same question.  I kind of prefer KDE, but a lot of people like Gnome better.
[05:45] <Phoenix1701> Short answer, try both and see which you prefer.
[05:45] <Khisanth> neither!
[05:45] <ryan> bimberi: haven't tried dual layer discs if thats what you mean
[05:45] <n0dl> use openbox!
[05:45] <nickrud> Howi, there are some interesting comments on http://planet.gnome.org
[05:45] <Howi> Ah
[05:45] <Howi> Thanks nickrud
[05:46] <abdul> w32codecs or w/e
[05:46] <bimberi> ryan: no, i've um ripped a DVD and found it to be much bigger than 4.5G, hence the need to shrink to back it up
[05:46] <nickrud> abdul, did you download the file to your desktop?
[05:47] <ryan> bimberi: tried dual layer?
[05:47] <abdul> which file?
[05:47] <ryan>         wireless-essid slipgate
[05:47] <ryan>         wireless-key 34ef2348f8234fa987ed987af9
[05:47] <bimberi> ryan: no, not yet
[05:47] <ryan> ignore :)
[05:47] <nickrud> abdul, w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[05:47] <ryan> bimberi: hehe
[05:47] <abdul> from?
[05:48] <ryan> i don't think anyone around here even knows what wifi is ;)
[05:48] <ryan> and if they do, woops better change the mostly-useless key :p
[05:48] <bimberi> :)
[05:48] <nickrud> abdul, there's a link on the page wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, with some very terse instructions
[05:49] <bur[n] er> anyone knwo where to get flash8?
[05:49] <nickrud> bur[n] er, on windows I believe
[05:49] <bur[n] er> nickrud: harhar
[05:49] <Squee-D> ryan yeah im thinking limiting connection by MAC is more effective on its own than a WEP key
[05:49] <Squee-D> bur[n] er hes not jokin
[05:50] <nickrud> bur[n] er, seriously, is there supposed to be a beta out there (I'd be suprised)
[05:50] <Squee-D> flash 7 player is the highest still for linux afaik
[05:50] <bur[n] er> oh... i see, i just checked out macromedia
[05:50] <bur[n] er> sad, there's a lil flash game that requires 8 i wanna play ;)
[05:50] <abdul> hmm
[05:50] <bur[n] er> silly adobe
[05:50] <Squee-D> adobemedia
[05:50] <Squee-D> or macrobe
[05:51] <bur[n] er> i think it's just adobe ;)
[05:51] <Squee-D> yeah i know, but i hate this merger
[05:51] <bur[n] er> y?
[05:52] <jessemans> macrobe! rofl!
[05:52] <jessemans> sounds like microbe </end offtopic>
[05:52] <Squee-D> because adobe don't know web. And already theyre suggesting a combined pdf-reader/flash-player
[05:52] <Squee-D> ooh ditto
[05:53] <Krhis> ^^ No flash for me then?
[05:53] <akp> can use flash 8 in ubuntu with ie : http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/
[05:53] <Squee-D> that supports activex?
[05:54] <akp> i think so
[05:54] <Squee-D> id be suprised
[05:54] <akp> what is the link to the game, I'll test it
[05:54] <Squee-D> i'd think you would have better luck with wine
[05:55] <akp> its an ie on wine installer, Its recommended by winehq
[05:55] <nickrud> Krhis, take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, there's some info on flash on 64bits there, but it's iffy.
[05:56] <Krhis> Yes, I'm aware of it... but thank you nickrud.
[05:56] <Squee-D> oh i see
[05:56] <Squee-D> well yeah may have some luck :)
[05:56] <Krhis> Flash for me is just another rant. ^^
[05:56] <nickrud> Krhis, then, why did you ask ... oh, I see, I have my own rants
[05:56] <Krhis> I try to help here in #ubuntu.
[05:57] <Krhis> I also dual boot with Gentoo, 'nuff said.
[05:57] <newbc> i am looking for a all around great book for linux for christmas and recomended "The Linux Administration Handbook", would you guys agree or should i wait until the 2nd ed comes out, or maybe some other reference
[05:57] <Squee-D> im having a hell time with my network config.
[05:57] <nickrud> well gee, I used to quad boot different lfs versions, but I got wiser :)
[05:58] <Squee-D> I cannot ping the router or any other machines on my network
[05:58] <Krhis> XD
[05:58] <ejofee> what's wrong with timidity in ubuntu?
[05:58] <newbc> anyone?
[05:58] <Squee-D> eth0 is up, and configured correctly as best i can tell
[05:58] <varsendagger> ejofee, what do you mean?
[05:58] <bimberi> newbc: is that an O'Reilly title.  They're usually very good.  Linux in a Nutshell is another
[05:59] <bimberi> ?
[05:59] <nickrud> newbc, I'd suggest the linux cookbook, it's not really a guide but it has a *lot* of great tidbits
[05:59] <ilba7r> squee-d do you have a firewall
[05:59] <newbc> no its not an oreilly title
[05:59] <newbc> its by evi nemeth
[05:59] <bimberi> newbc: k, i don't know it
[06:00] <jrattner1> Is the new firefox in the repositories?
[06:00] <mrkoje> jrattner1,  no
[06:00] <Squee-D> lib no - iptables is empty with ACCEPT for each default
[06:00] <Krhis> "Linux Desktop Hacks" another good O'Reilly book IMO.
[06:01] <bimberi> !firefox15
[06:01] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[06:01] <newbc> i was hoping to get more of an "All-In-ONe" title
[06:01] <Krhis> I see what you mean.
[06:01] <ilba7r> bimberi just downlad it from  mozilla it will be up and running no installation needed
[06:02] <newbc> and not like a "heres red hat and this is how you install it, oh and some commands over here" kind of book
[06:02] <newbc> lol ya know
[06:02] <Krhis> I figured a christmas present, so somthing focused towards the Desktop user.
[06:02] <Krhis> I see what you mean now.
[06:03] <ilba7r> squee-d did you put your router address in the DNS server list?
[06:03] <bob_4_a_day> well i got the blamed thang on line.... hmmm now what
[06:03] <newbc> no but, to develop and exstensive knowledge of the kernel
[06:03] <Krhis> Can't give many suggestions then... I live off of man pages. XD
[06:03] <newbc> i dunno ahah maybe this book i am speaking of does not exist
[06:04] <nickrud> newbc, have you cruised the orielly site? There's a kernel book they have, but I think it's a bit old
[06:04] <bob_4_a_day> anyone know how to remove the timestamp and change the nick colour in irssi ?
[06:04] <Krhis> I did see a book the otherday in the store. Had every line of the kernel printed out and comments/suggestions to it.
[06:05] <bimberi> ilba7r: thanks. (although i did raise the factoid for jrattner1) :)
[06:06] <ilba7r> bimberi just copy the plugins from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins to the folder you will use for firefox5 this way everything will work fine
[06:06] <Knowerrors> Hey all, trying to get ntpdate to work, tried sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com 14 Dec 21:02:28 ntpdate[4260] : no server suitable for synchronization found, any ideas to fix?
[06:06] <Aviatrixie> hi all
[06:06] <Krhis> Hello, Aviatrixie.
[06:06] <nickrud> Knowerrors, i think it's ntp.ubuntulinux.org you want to try
[06:06] <bob_4_a_day> Krhis: "every line of the kernel printed out"  297kg of paper ?
[06:07] <Aviatrixie> Well... I took the plunge tonight... stuck a spare 20g hg in my pc. I must say... Ubuntu is well done.  :)
[06:07] <ilba7r> oh sorry bimberi did not see that take care friend :)
[06:07] <tritium> woohoo, we're getting a spaceport!
[06:08] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: pool.ntp.org
[06:08] <Aviatrixie> for the moment my only os is ubuntu
[06:08] <bimberi> ilba7r: no problem whatsoever :)
[06:08] <Krhis> Yes, in font size 4 too.
[06:08] <nalioth> tritium: you DO have lots of space out there, lol
[06:08] <nickrud> bob_4_a_day, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1576104699/102-6188714-6766525?v=glance&n=283155
[06:08] <Krhis> ... I'm joking.
[06:08] <bimberi> tritium: Virgin Galactic?
[06:08] <tritium> nalioth: that's true ;)
[06:08] <tritium> bimberi: yes
[06:08] <Krhis> Yep, that's it.
[06:08] <Squee-D> ilba7r yes i did
[06:08] <Squee-D> but i cant even ping the router
[06:08] <Knowerrors> nickrud: bob_4_a_day , both of those say no sutiable server for sync found
[06:09] <nickrud> Knowerrors, I don't know the problem, but that's what my ntpdate is using
[06:09] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: then the error is on your box.
[06:09] <ejofee> my home folder is a symlink to my older home folder (from another partition). bash seems to detect this and expands the symlink into the physical path, which i hate. why does it behave like this in ubuntu and how can i change this?
[06:09] <ilba7r> squee-d than i have no idea except the regular check for ifconfig to see if your configuration is correct
[06:09] <bimberi> tritium: ah, that spaceport. :)
[06:10] <_jason> ejofee, why not just mount your old home folder as /home?
[06:10] <Squee-D> ilba7r yeah it looks perfect. blowing my mind
[06:10] <ejofee> _jason: how can i mount... a dir?!
[06:10] <tritium> bimberi: :)
[06:10] <ejofee> _jason: it is not a whole partition, it is just a dir!
[06:10] <_jason> ejofee, ah sorry thought you had a similar setup to mine
[06:10] <Knowerrors> bob_4_a_day: so "sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org" should work from command line?
[06:10] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: yessir
[06:10] <Knowerrors> arrgh
[06:10] <kevinix> hi, i have an unusual problem. xine and totem-xine only run if i am online. it just segfaults otherwise.
[06:11] <ejofee> _jason: yes, i myself am considering using a whole partition as a home partition
[06:11] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: firewall ?
[06:11] <Knowerrors> just the one that comes with breezy bob_4_a_day
[06:11] <kevinix> when i start xine while online, i'm given the err, "there is no MRL", indicating that xine is looking for an MRL by default. anyway to turn this off?
[06:12] <TraceGreen> Hello, does anyone  know how to disable mouse and keyboard except pull out the plug?
[06:13] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  what do you mean by "except pull out the plug"?
[06:14] <TraceGreen> mrkoje, well, when i pull out the plug of mouse, of course mouse is useless.
[06:14] <Squee-D> he means 'in software'
[06:14] <varsendagger> Aviatrixie, what all do you like?
[06:14] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: if you have activated iptables via firestarter you may have the ntp port blocked.  i just snyced my clock with 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc '   it works  and using the "pool." you always hit a server.
[06:15] <TraceGreen> Squee-D, yeah.
[06:15] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  You want, of course, to enable it and disable it through software
[06:15] <TraceGreen> yeah, mrkoje :-)
[06:16] <Aviatrixie> varsendagger... in ubuntu? I like that it found everything in my system.
[06:16] <Knowerrors> bob_4_a_day: you know how to unblock that port?
[06:16] <Aviatrixie> Well... except I don't think it knows what the USB to my UPS is for.  ;)
[06:16] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  Hmm...  I don't really know
[06:17] <ejofee> w3m is cool. hadn't heard of it before ubuntu.
[06:17] <Krhis> Motherboard option perhaps?
[06:17] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  You could probably stop the kernal from loading the mouse driver...
[06:17] <TraceGreen> mrkoje, well, i once try to unload modules of them, but i can't unload usbcore.
[06:17] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  so its a usb mouse... hmm
[06:17] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: i don't even know for sure what port it uses.  i thought it was 25 but that doesn't seem to be it.....  sorry no.
[06:17] <TraceGreen> mrkoje, yeah
[06:17] <Mike> I've got a quick question for whoever has time to help out. I have a laptop with wireless, and I can't get internet to work wirelessly, I am currrently running in windows to be online now. would anyone know how to get my wireless card to work?
[06:18] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  well your not going to want to stop usb anyway... maybe search for some 3rd party software...
[06:18] <kevinix> ejofee, apt-get install w3m-img to be able to view web images in the shell. nice ;)
[06:18] <TraceGreen> mrkoje, do you mean i can't unload usb mouse driver?
[06:18] <alamba> mike: whats the laptop model?
[06:19] <ejofee> kevinix: wow!! thanks!
[06:19] <rohan> hi all
[06:19] <bob_4_a_day> Knowerrors: you could drop the firewall and sync your clock  'sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop ' maybe.
[06:19] <_RocH> it takes forever to install on celeron 377 / 64MB..
[06:19] <Mike> Compaq HP Presario V4000
[06:19] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  You probably could probably stop the mouse from loading by passing somthing into the boot argument
[06:19] <Knowerrors> bob_4_a_day: thx, will try
[06:19] <mrkoje> TraceGreen,  I just don't know enough about what you want to pass as an argument to stop the mouse from loading
[06:19] <rohan> when will the ubuntu dapper preview be out ? is there some kind of a roadmap out there ?
[06:19] <ejofee> kevinix: it seems it's w3m-img is not in any repo :(
[06:20] <kevinix> ejofee, hmm, shame
[06:20] <alamba> mike: do you have a button that says wireless or on top or has the wireless symbol...
[06:20] <nalioth> rohan: there is a dapper build available now (flight-1)
[06:20] <rohan> nalioth: flight-2 is out :)
[06:20] <mrkoje> !wifi
[06:20] <ubotu> well, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:20] <Amaranth> flight 2 is out, actually
[06:20] <polpak> nalioth, actually flight2 is out
[06:20] <warreng> anybody know where i could get an animated GIF of the default ubuntu "waiting" cursor? or how to convert the xcursor /usr/share/icons/Human/cursors/watch to an animated gif?
[06:20] <TraceGreen> mrkoje, thanks.
[06:20] <mrkoje> ubotu tell Mike about !wifi
[06:20] <rohan> nalioth: bu i am kinda waiting for something more reliable, like a preview release ...
[06:20] <rohan> *but
[06:20] <nalioth> rohan: see? you are more up to date than i am.
[06:20] <Amaranth> mrkoje: no !
[06:20] <Mike> yes, that and volume control; the buttons do not appear to work
[06:20] <rohan> nalioth: lol.
[06:21] <Mike> and I have tried pushing that, but there was no effect
[06:21] <polpak> rohan, you'll have to wait a bit longer then
[06:21] <mrkoje> Amaranth, ?
[06:21] <phosphoricx> hey guys, quick question, how can I setup LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be set on startup?
[06:21] <bob_4_a_day> whats the url to the hoary multiverse ?
[06:21] <polpak> rohan, ubuntu is on a 6 month release cycle
[06:21] <alamba> ok...here's your solution...boot into ubuntu...click on system>admin>networking
[06:21] <largos> does anyone know what package I can find all the gcc man pages in? (eg: man malloc)
[06:21] <mrkoje> Amaranth, I'm not sure....
[06:21] <Amaranth> mrkoje: 'ubuntu tell Mike about !wifi' shouldn't have that !
[06:21] <polpak> phosphoricx,  why would you want to? (just curious)
[06:21] <alamba> click on the wireless link and click activate...then press that button...twice...the wireless light will come on and the link will get activated
[06:22] <BenC> largos: they are libc manpages, not gcc, and it's manpages-dev
[06:22] <alamba> assuming you have DHCP u will also get ip now
[06:22] <rohan> polpak: right. but what i am really looking for is a roadmap
[06:22] <ejofee> kevinix: in fact, it is :)) (took a better look)
[06:22] <largos> BenC: ah, thanks
[06:22] <nalioth> largos: manpages-dev  ?
[06:22] <mrkoje> Amaranth,  no !?
[06:22] <mrkoje> ubotu tell Mike about wifi
[06:22] <Mike> thank you alamba
[06:22] <alamba> i have an HP laptop too and this seems to be a problem
[06:22] <mrkoje> Amaranth,
[06:22] <alamba> u're welcome
[06:22] <Mike> oh, I see
[06:23] <Amaranth> mrkoje: should have worked that time
[06:23] <swim> hey folks I forgot what package has all the apps for building apps from source?
[06:23] <Aviatrixie> so... I've commited to Ubuntu. Geez... sounds like I'm getting married! Anyway... I'm fed up with M$... put my big hd aside and dedicated a whole drive to Ubuntu.Googled it to death and now have it configured. Now the fun begins... I have to learn how to apt-get!!! Or... at least how to Synaptic?
[06:23] <mrkoje> Amaranth,  ya... I haven't used the ubotu as much as i should be
[06:23] <mrkoje> !beer
[06:23] <polpak> swim, build-essential
[06:23] <swim> thx polpak
[06:23] <ilba7r> swim build-sessentials
[06:23] <mrkoje> lol
[06:23] <swim> cheers :)
[06:23] <polpak> Aviatrixie, welcome in =)
[06:24] <bob_4_a_day> ilba7r: no s
[06:24] <polpak> Aviatrixie, I gave up on MS 4 months ago. Haven't looked back
[06:24] <Aviatrixie> danke polpak
[06:24] <_cedric> i i have a kubuntu cd... but i prefere gnome i dont want to download a whole ubuntu cd again... is there a way to make a server installation then add gnome... a little bit the kind of process we need to go trough to get xubuntu
[06:24] <Amaranth> hrm, i thought it hugged back
[06:24] <ilba7r> too sleepy sorry bob_4_a_day :)
[06:24] <Amaranth> _cedric: sure, boot the CD with the server option
[06:24] <bob_4_a_day> oh crap.   i'm lagging 20 seconds..... never mind me.
[06:24] <Mike> ok, thank you to alamba, ubotu, and mrkoje
[06:24] <nalioth> _cedric: yes, server + "ubuntu-desktop" will do it
[06:24] <Aviatrixie> I've delved deep into linux in the last few months.... like it bunches
[06:24] <Amaranth> _cedric: You'll have to download a bunch of stuff still
[06:24] <_cedric> np
[06:25] <mrkoje> Mike, have fun.... especially if you have wpa!
[06:25] <Aviatrixie> Linus seems to like KDE over Gnome.... any opinions?
[06:25] <bob_4_a_day> be back later.
[06:25] <polpak> Aviatrixie, anyway, apt-get and/or synaptic is easy
[06:25] <mrkoje> Mike,  thats what I am working on now... the wpasupplicant
[06:25] <_cedric> same process as xubuntu-desktop but with ubuntu-desktop if i correctly understand
[06:25] <polpak> Aviatrixie, it's really personal taste.
[06:25] <nalioth> Aviatrixie: in #ubuntu-offtopic with your opinions query, please
[06:25] <polpak> Aviatrixie, the whole "Linus prefers KDE" thing is way overblown
[06:25] <mrkoje> !wpa
[06:25] <ubotu> from memory, wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant"
[06:25] <Aviatrixie> polpak... I'm sure they are. But I'm a total newbie.
[06:26] <polpak> Aviatrixie, I'd just stick with Gnome for now. It'll be most familiar to you coming from a windows environment
[06:26] <polpak> but that's just my opinion
[06:26] <alamba> whats the wpasupplicant?
[06:27] <Aviatrixie> polpak... I think you're right. I like keeping it simple for now.
[06:27] <polpak> Aviatrixie, you can always switch later if you want. That's the great thing about linux
[06:27] <polpak> You have choices
[06:27] <_cedric> hey! i heard a new development release is up...
[06:27] <_cedric> final release should be out on april?
[06:28] <polpak> _cedric, that sounds about right
[06:28] <cafuego> mrkoje: Simply install wpasupplicant, run wpa_passwd and save the output to the cfg file.
[06:28] <nalioth> _cedric: there'll be a final release every 6 months
[06:28] <sethk> Aviatrixie, I'm addicted to the alt-right button mouse command in KDE
[06:28] <sethk> Aviatrixie, although there may be a way to get that behavior from gnome
[06:28] <cafuego> _cedric: Yes. That prerelease fails to boot on my iBook.
[06:28] <_cedric> how cool is that
[06:28] <_cedric> nyway out for installation!
[06:28] <sethk> Aviatrixie, I don't feel that gnome is better (nor worse) for a newbie than kde
[06:28] <mrkoje> cafuego,  I don't have the laptop up and running at the moment... I will do it later. i do remember doing that once.. from the "howto" however it didn't like my psk
[06:29] <mrkoje> cafuego,  oh well... will give it another go around
[06:29] <mrkoje> cafuego,  in the future
[06:29] <phosphoricx> any ideas on the environmental variable on startup?
[06:29] <mrkoje> !acpi
[06:29] <ubotu> mrkoje: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:29] <sethk> phosphoricx, I didn't hear the question, what was it?
[06:30] <nickrud> phosphoricx, I have some ideas about some of them, which one are you thinking of?
[06:30] <phosphoricx> I want to add an environment variable to my startup
[06:30] <phosphoricx> it's LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[06:30] <phosphoricx> just wondering which file
[06:30] <phosphoricx> to put it in
[06:30] <nickrud> phosphoricx, .bash_profile or /etc/profile
[06:30] <phosphoricx> when does that get called?
[06:31] <dashoffen> Hi, Just wondering Has anyone been able to get hardware acceleration to work with a Radeon 9800 and Ubunu 5.10?
[06:31] <polpak> phosphoricx, when you log in.. But why did you want it set?
[06:31] <polpak> dashoffen, yes
[06:31] <Mike> ok, thanks to everyone again for the help, I gotta get going. see ya later
[06:32] <polpak> dashoffen, did you follow the ATI portion of the getting started wiki?
[06:32] <Aviatrixie> Seth... sorry... was afk... at this point I have no opinions about kde or gnome.... tho I do like fluxbox. Understand... I'm a total newbie... but I'm also a fast study.
[06:32] <aztek> how do i go about booting the stock kernel for ubuntu
[06:32] <dashoffen> ? no
[06:32] <nickrud> aztek, just boot, the stock kernel is the default boot
[06:32] <Squee-D2> he means 'in software'
[06:32] <Squee-D2> err apologies - two keyboards on the desk
[06:33] <Kyral> #ubuntu never sleeps lol
[06:33] <polpak> dashoffen, http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installatidriver
[06:33] <phosphoricx> polpak, because I'm using amd64 and I need to pull some libs out of chroot to run it
[06:34] <aztek> nickrud: i installed the newest ati drivers and the instructions i followed said it would create changes to the kernel. is there a way to tell whether or not i'm running a stock one?
[06:34] <dashoffen> polpak, thank you
[06:34] <etybolik> quick question. Is it possible to get sound in flash (or google video to be specific)
[06:34] <etybolik> ?
[06:35] <polpak> aztek, why not just use the ati driver wiki instructions in the getting started guide?
[06:35] <polpak> dashoffen, np
[06:35] <nickrud> !ati
[06:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:35] <haffe> Hello. Does anyone here now how to setup dri support for the mach64?
[06:36] <swim> could anyone tell me the name of the package for x includes?
[06:36] <nickrud> aztek, I don't use ati, but I've heard reliable sources say you should use the new ati ones, if you have a laptop (if I recall correctly)
[06:36] <Amaranth> haffe: err, i don't think you can
[06:36] <tritium> swim: xlibs-dev
[06:36] <Amaranth> haffe: I've never even heard of that arch :P
[06:36] <swim> thx tritium
[06:37] <nalioth> !xincludes
[06:37] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[06:37] <aztek> i downloaded the fresh ones from ati it didn't seem to work. x doesn't start so i redid my xorg.conf to boot the "ati" driver now i seem to have performance problems where none existed prior to trying to install the drivers. i guess i'm trying to just start over. wow that's long.
[06:37] <techrush> ati 3d acceleration is such a pain to get working in linux :(
[06:37] <TheOmnipotentWan> Hey...I accidentally removed my system tray from a panel...Can anyone tell me how to put it back?  I went through the 'Add to Panel" menu and didn't see anything that looked right.
[06:37] <aztek> so i'm discoverin
[06:37] <aztek> g
[06:37] <polpak> techrush, I haven't found that to be true
[06:38] <tritium> ubotu's xincludes info is odd, since xlibs-dev already depends on xlibs-static-dev
[06:38] <polpak> techrush, http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installatidriver pretty much worked right out of the box for my ATI Radeon 9800
[06:38] <techrush> polpak you havent had the joy of tryign to get my 3d crd working then :P
[06:38] <Aviatrixie> Funny... my ATI was set up without any probs in ubuntu
[06:38] <aztek> i guess you're just smarter than us
[06:39] <techrush> mine hasnt worked right in 3 diff distros
[06:39] <sethk> phosphoricx, add the definition to $HOME/.bashrc
[06:39] <sethk> phosphoricx, if you use bash as your shell
[06:39] <sethk> phosphoricx, if you want to add it for multiple users, you can set it an initialization file in /etc
[06:39] <nickrud> and xlibs-dev is just a subset of x-window-system-dev
[06:39] <polpak> Aviatrixie, did you follow the wicki? or do you not have DRI enabled?
[06:40] <nderjm> Has anyone gotten the Canon i250 to work in Breezy?
[06:40] <phosphoricx> sethk, that sounds good
[06:41] <nderjm> I guess thats a no
[06:41] <nderjm> The forums were of no help
[06:41] <nderjm> dead threads
[06:41] <lacking> When I try to play Totem I get Video codec 'MS WMV 8 (win32)' is not handled. What does this mean?
[06:41] <polpak> !restricted
[06:41] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:41] <ElitePete> lacking have you installed all the video codecs?
[06:41] <polpak> lacking, read the wiki ubotu mentioned
[06:42] <Aviatrixie> No...  I'm here because this distro works on my PC. Mepis didn't. Mandrake didn't. Linspire didn't. DSL did (sorta) and Beatrix did well (it's an Ubuntu offshoot) but it wouldn't install. Ubuntu worked perfectly from the start.
[06:42] <sethk> nderjm, what are you working on?
[06:42] <nickrud> lacking, you're using the gstreamer version of totem; install totem-xine and do that restricted page
[06:42] <polpak> Aviatrixie, you should install your drivers if you intend on playing any games
[06:42] <lacking> Yeh I followed the faqs music and movies section ElitePete.
[06:42] <nderjm> sethk: Im trying to get a Canon i250 printer working on Breezy
[06:42] <sethk> nderjm, usb?
[06:42] <ElitePete> lacking, weird..
[06:43] <nderjm> sethk: yes
[06:43] <sethk> nderjm, what problem are you seeing?
[06:43] <Aviatrixie> polpak... I don't play games. Well... occasionally solitaire.
[06:43] <nderjm> sethk: after the drivers install and the printer is detected and setup it does not print.  The most I have gotten is a blink.
[06:43] <nickrud> lacking, that section of the faq is not exactly prime, but I think it has been fixed for dapper
[06:44] <polpak> Aviatrixie, well no time like the present to start ;)
[06:44] <gnude> Trying to apt-get a new package (deb) on ubuntu.  How do I specify a particular package?
[06:44] <sethk> nderjm, when you install the printer, does it show a line in the usb ports list with the name of the printer in it?
[06:44] <Aviatrixie> lol
[06:44] <lacking> nickrud, dapper?
[06:44] <sethk> nderjm, in the part of the config where you choose the printer connection?
[06:44] <nickrud> gnude, sudo apt-get install <package name>
[06:44] <nickrud> lacking, the next release
[06:44] <newbc> when people get binary source code, what do they actually do with it?
[06:44] <nderjm> sethk: Yes.  Canon i250 and Canon i250 with feedback
[06:44] <lacking> ah ok.
[06:44] <gnude> nickrud,  where do I put the package I want to inst.
[06:45] <gnude> does it matter
[06:45] <polpak> newbc, binary source code?
[06:45] <nickrud> lacking, sudo apt-get install totem-xine , then do the w32codecs on the restricted page.
[06:45] <sethk> nderjm, will it print on the same machine running windows?
[06:45] <polpak> newbc, a contradiction in terms
[06:45] <newbc> sorry, just i dont understand what it means to release a binary of something
[06:45] <TheOmnipotentWan> I accidentally removed the system tray from a panel.  I went through the add to panel window but didn't see anything.  Anyone know how I can get it back?
[06:45] <nickrud> gnude, the package already knows where it will be installed
[06:45] <newbc> how can a human make use of that
[06:45] <tritium> gnude: you know that we don't allow gnudity here, right?
[06:45] <Aviatrixie> polpak... I came mostly to lurk. I'm extremely happy with 5.10 so far. It's a really well done os.
[06:45] <gnude> newbc, you get the source to compile the binary.  It works great and gives you a chance to modify the source code to fit your needs.
[06:45] <nderjm> sethk: Dont have windows on it.  But it works with the TurboPrint drivers.  but those are not free.  the demo version prints a huge watermark in the middle of the page
[06:45] <polpak> newbc, a binary is program which has been compiled from source to run on a particular archetecture
[06:46] <aztek> gnude, are you trying to install a package you have as a file on your machine?
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> How can I make Firefox start up to a particular profile if none is specified, rather than the last one used?
[06:46] <sethk> nderjm, ok, that proves out the hardware and USB compatibility
[06:46] <nderjm> sethk: yup
[06:46] <gnude> aztek,  yeah, it's newer than repository for synaptic, and i downloaded it.
[06:46] <gnude> aztek,  yeah it's on my box
[06:47] <nickrud> tonyyarusso, firefox -P profile
[06:47] <gnude> tritium,  I am totally decent
[06:47] <sethk> nderjm, what I would do, although it takes a while to do it, is to sniff the USB bus while it is printing with the turboprint drivers.  Then sniff when printing with the cups driver (free), and compare the streams.
[06:47] <newbc> k makes sense, so the source to (for example a c++ program) can be written and compiled into machine code, is there a backwards compatability to binary?
[06:47] <DShepherd> hey
[06:47] <DShepherd> sup?
[06:47] <newbc> in that, can i take a binary and make it a readable language
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: So do I need to change the launchers to include the switch?
[06:47] <tritium> gnude: :)
[06:47] <gnude> newbc,  no binaries, which is all apps except scripts are human readible unless your a psycho brain.
[06:48] <nderjm> sethk: How would I do that?
[06:48] <aztek> gnude, then you want to use dpkg if that's the case
[06:48] <polpak> newbc, C and C++ source code is compiled into machine language. It's compatable so long as the machine language remains compatible
[06:48] <gnude> aztek,  just a dpkg -i pkgname?
[06:48] <sethk> nderjm, I'm looking back through my notes.  I was about a year ago that I set up USB bus sniffing.
[06:48] <nickrud> tonyyarusso, yes, I would think so. firefox --help will tell you some other stuff you might want to know
[06:48] <aztek> gnude, yeah if you have the .deb file on your pc. apt-get is only going to scan the online repositories
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: Okay, thanks.
[06:48] <newbc> are there people who can legitimatly read binary
[06:48] <sethk> nderjm, one time I talked a USB bus analyzer vendor into leaving me a hardware sniffer for a few days to evaluate.  :)
[06:49] <polpak> newbc, but it is very difficult to make changes to in binary form
[06:49] <newbc> not just like the simple number structures
[06:49] <sethk> newbc  11  000  101   01010  001   111101
[06:49] <gnude> aztek,  is there a basic way to over-ride the locations of dependencies that the package will need, since I have some CVS stuff I'm running too.
[06:49] <phosphoricx> sethk, how can I setup an initialization file in /etc ?
[06:49] <gnude> aztek,  thanks for the clar. vis apt-get
[06:49] <nderjm> sethk: ok.  i noticed one difference between the turbo print and the regular driver.  Turns out the TP driver is printing to ipp://usb://Canon/i250
[06:49] <tritium> newbc: as they say, there are only 10 kinds of people
[06:49] <gnude> sethk,  you are cussing again in binary you dirty.
[06:50] <nderjm> sethk: but the free driver still doesnt work when i set it to use that
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: What do the % things mean?  (As in, firefox %u, what my launcher says now.)  Those aren't in the help.
[06:50] <aztek> gnude, uh i dunno :) i just started using Ubuntu on my laptop since FreeBSD isn't as user friendly on the go :)
[06:50] <sethk> nderjm, that uri doesn't really make sense to me.  I doubt that's relevant.
[06:50] <nderjm> sethk: that uri is for network printing
[06:50] <sethk> tonyyarusso, that's a substitution
[06:50] <nderjm> sethk: seems to work over usb
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> sethk: For?
[06:50] <gnude> aztek, I'll try thanks let you know.
[06:50] <DShepherd> hey nderjm!
[06:50] <sethk> tonyyarusso, in that case, I believe %u is replaced with the user name
[06:51] <aztek> gnude, man dpkg :)
[06:51] <sethk> nderjm, ok, but as you said it doesn't change the behavior.  I said it didn't make sense to _me_, not that it doesn't make sense at all.
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> sethk: Ah.  Do you know what %s is, or where I could find a list of these?
[06:51] <derekS> if evolution-data-server crashed, how i start it back up again?
[06:51] <sethk> tonyyarusso, let me see if I can put my fingers on a list.  It's burried in the docs somewhere.
[06:51] <gnude> =|
[06:52] <Aviatrixie> Well... I guess I should go. Polpak... are you an op here?
[06:52] <polpak> Aviatrixie, nope
[06:52] <DShepherd> nderjm: you presenting any topic tomorrow?
[06:52] <polpak> Aviatrixie, but I'm around a bit
[06:52] <sethk> tonyyarusso, one trick you might do is to create a dummy app that does nothing but print its own command line.  Then you can start it with %s, and see what %s is translated to.
[06:52] <Aviatrixie> ok... you seemed friendly... like an op.
[06:52] <nderjm> DShepherd: not that I know of
[06:52] <Aviatrixie> I used to op a board.
[06:53] <tonyyarusso> sethk: I have no idea how to do such a thing.
[06:53] <newbc> is a hard drive divided into bytes, or groups of 8 bits, and are the locations of each byte as specific to the bit
[06:53] <Kazidhea> Hey guys  :)  tryed to install Dapper but ran into some problems ( but dunno where to report this ). When I installed Breezy, my Intel Minipci 2200bg was detected and i could select it as my default NIC   but in dapper it refuse to give me the choice between my 2 cards   any ideas?
[06:53] <polpak> Aviatrixie, nope, just a friendly guy.
[06:53] <Aviatrixie> niters.  :)
[06:53] <DShepherd> nderjm: I would like to see that script that you wrote with the calendar thingy..
[06:53] <polpak> Aviatrixie, bye
[06:53] <newbc> or does it depend on the formating
[06:53] <nderjm> DShepherd: sure
[06:53] <DShepherd> nderjm: and more on your policy.. I mean alteroo's policy
[06:53] <polpak> newbc, depends on the fs
[06:53] <Aviatrixie> I'm totally green to Linux... think I'll go google apt-get
[06:53] <Aviatrixie> LOL
[06:53] <sethk> tonyyarusso, the first part is easy.  You just create a shortcut to your (to be written) program.  in C or python it would be a three or four line program.
[06:53] <nderjm> DShepherd: Oh yeah, I have a draft
[06:54] <Aviatrixie> It's all gnu to me
[06:54] <polpak> Aviatrixie, you should start w/ synaptic
[06:54] <polpak> Aviatrixie, it's pretty easy to use and find what you're looking for
[06:54] <DShepherd> nderjm: kool you can update us on that then
[06:54] <polpak> Aviatrixie, it's under your System menu under Administration
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> sethk: Just how much C or python would this involve learning, as I've never ventured near either.
[06:54] <Aviatrixie> polpak: I'll look into it.
[06:55] <Aviatrixie> polpak: I promise  ;)
[06:55] <muszek> hi
[06:55] <sethk> tonyyarusso, I have to check, but I believe the entire python program would consist of     print $ARGV
[06:55] <arrik> does anyone know how to get network-manager set up?
[06:55] <muszek> are there any native English speaker here?
[06:55] <DShepherd> nderjm: dont see you here often. problems?
[06:55] <muszek> speakers
[06:55] <sethk> tonyyarusso, let me play with it a bit.
[06:55] <polpak> sethk, that's perl. python doesn't use $
[06:55] <newbc> yeah native english here <=
[06:55] <nderjm> sethk: yup.  trying to setup a canon printer on a friends box that i just out ubuntu on
[06:56] <nderjm> sethk: sorry, wrong person
[06:56] <DShepherd> nderjm: ok
[06:56] <sethk> polpak, that's true, although $ARGV (for me) isn't perl.  It's ruby.  :)
[06:56] <nderjm> DShepherd: yup.  trying to setup a canon printer on a friends box that i just out ubuntu on
[06:56] <mrkoje> muszek,  seriously?
[06:56] <sethk> polpak, but you are correct, no $ in python
[06:56] <polpak> muszek, many of us are native english speakers. (or near enough)
[06:56] <nderjm> DShepherd: Imagine, got the WINMODEM working!  Only to die with the printer :(
[06:56] <DShepherd> nderjm: lol
[06:56] <sethk> tonyyarusso, I'll play with this a bit.
[06:56] <DShepherd> nderjm: life is soo fun sometimes
[06:57] <newbc> what is ruby on rails, actually in laymans terms what does it do
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> sethk: All right, let me know what happens.
[06:57] <muszek> I need another nicer word for "characteristic"... "every player has *** named "aggression", which tells you if he likes to play tough"
[06:57] <muszek> what word would you use?
[06:57] <newbc> a quality
[06:58] <polpak> newbc, ruby is a scripting language like python, lua, perl, etc
[06:58] <newbc> ohh, i see
[06:58] <qt2> err, are ctorrent or rtorrent available in the repos? i dont see them anywhere, but they used to be there.
[06:58] <newbc> and the rails program is like an ide for it
[06:58] <newbc> ?
[06:58] <polpak> newbc, a scripting language is one which does not need to be compiled. It is instead run through an interpreter which then performs the instructions in the script
[06:58] <mrkoje> newbc,  http://www.rubyonrails.org
[06:58] <aztek> well this stinks
[06:58] <newbc> k
[06:58] <muszek> hmmm... wouldn't "quality" imply whether it's good to have high/low aggression?
[06:59] <aztek> i run the wiki instructions for the ati drivers, i get a dialog box to pick my version of ubuntu but it doesn't fit on my screen. i don't know how to continue
[06:59] <newbc> yeah it would
[06:59] <DShepherd> nderjm: you know I havent really tried ubuntu with a printer yet
[06:59] <muszek> how about something neutral?
[06:59] <mrkoje> newbc,  or you can goto the ruby irc  at  #ruby  or  #rubyonrails
[06:59] <muszek> "every building has a *** named <<height>>"
[07:00] <newbc> hmm
[07:00] <newbc> attribute
[07:00] <polpak> muszek, attribute?
[07:00] <newbc> lol
[07:00] <muszek> thank you :D
[07:00] <muszek> lol
[07:01] <newbc> property would work too prob
[07:02] <muszek> thanks and have a nice $your_time_of_day guys... bye
[07:02] <swim> how can I extract a deb?
[07:02] <arrik> anyone know how to set up Network-Manager?
[07:02] <cafuego> swim: dpkg -x
[07:02] <swim> thx cafuego
[07:03] <aztek> is there a way to make my desktop "larger than my screen"? so that when i mouse to the edge my desktop moves
[07:03] <intelikey> this looks more to my like'ing   ;)
[07:03] <cafuego> swim: it's highly likely not what you want, though.,
[07:04] <intelikey> swim  man dpkg
[07:04] <swim> cafuego: Im trying to replace some files in baghira with moded ones... and then to make a deb again... im having trouble building baghira from source (at least with the moded files in it)
[07:04] <nickrud> swim, if you just want to see what's inside, double click it; it'll open in archive manager
[07:05] <sethk> aztek, make the virtual desktop size larger than the physical desktop size in xorg.conf
[07:05] <cafuego> swim: How is it failing when you add modded files?
[07:06] <Krassy> hi
[07:06] <intelikey> hmmm is there a facelity for spliting and rejoining a file that is too large for a floppy that i need to transfer via floppy   or do i need to dd and cat >>  the thing?
[07:06] <Krassy> My ISP do not have DNS what i have to do ?
[07:06] <cafuego> Krassy: Add <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:07] <swim> cafuego: like this: http://pastebin.ca/33745
[07:07] <cafuego> Krassy: ... in resolv.conf
[07:07] <Krassy> Thanx
[07:07] <benplaut> what's the header for a bash script?
[07:07] <benplaut> i forgot :/
[07:07] <sethk> intelikey, you can use the --multi-volume feature of tar
[07:07] <polpak> #!/bin/bash
[07:07] <nickrud> #! /bin/bash
[07:07] <shad0w1e> Hi. I'm running a custom-compiled kernel with no USB support and now I want to add USB as a kernel module. How can I approach that?
[07:07] <benplaut> thanks
[07:07] <benplaut> couldn't remember is it was was ! or a $
[07:08] <intelikey> sethk hmmm ok.
[07:08] <cafuego> Krassy: Actually, the DNS servers for your ISP are: <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:09] <cafuego> swim: Looks like your mods broke the code.
[07:09] <arrik> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=files&show_dlfile=313     anyone know why firefox keep strying to open the download in the webbrowser?
[07:09] <swim> cafuego: oh hmm
[07:09] <polpak> arrik, because of the content type being returned from the server
[07:10] <regeya> whee
[07:10] <arrik> so how do i download it as a file?
[07:11] <cafuego> arrik: right-click, save link as...
[07:11] <polpak> arrik, wget <url>
[07:11] <polpak> arrik, or if it's a link you can right click/save as like cafuego says
[07:11] <Krassy> do Ubunto have iptraf or something ?
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> arrik: I think there's also a Firefox extension that lets you put a URL in a box and do a direct download.
[07:11] <cafuego> !info iptraf
[07:11] <ubotu> iptraf: (Interactive Colorful IP LAN Monitor), section net, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-7ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 728 kB
[07:11] <cafuego> Yes, it does.
[07:12] <arrik> tonyyarusso where do i get that?
[07:12] <Krassy> how can i start iptraf ?
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> arrik: Let me look for a minute.
[07:12] <arrik> It keeps wanting to save "modules.php"
[07:12] <cafuego> Krassy: Install it, cehck the documentation.
[07:12] <arrik> when i'm trying to download the .run file
[07:12] <cafuego> Haha, phpnuke is broken
[07:12] <sethk> arrik, right click on the link, select save-as
[07:13] <arrik> sethk i did that, it's not saving the correct file
[07:13] <sethk> arrik, then the web site has a coding error.
[07:14] <arrik> that's wierd, i can download the windows .exe version fine
[07:14] <sethk> arrik, so?
[07:14] <intelikey> nothing wierd about that
[07:15] <arrik> sethk so how do you screw up the linux version and not the windows version?
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> arrik: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&category=Download%20Tools&numpg=10&id=435
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> arrik: It hasn't been modified for FF1.5 yet though, if that's an issue.
[07:15] <sethk> arrik, you make a typo on the link line.  it's just a path; any path can have a typo in it.
[07:15] <intelikey> arrik "screw up" is your perspective of what is taking place there.
[07:15] <dragoon> what would cause ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
[07:16] <dragoon> as a normal user
[07:16] <PoW> Anyone play WoW on ubuntu?
[07:16] <polpak> PoW, Ibelieve there are ppl who do yes
[07:17] <Krassy> How i can start console window ?
[07:17] <shad0w1e> Krassy: run Konsole or xterm
[07:17] <polpak> Krassy, konsole, gterm or xterm, or just ctl-alt-f1
[07:18] <intelikey> Krassy for a console press  [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]     but you probably dont want a console you probably want a terminal.
[07:21] <dragoon> what could cause ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
[07:21] <dragoon> as a normal user
[07:22] <intelikey> insuffecent permissions maybe
[07:22] <dragoon> to what
[07:22] <intelikey> idk
[07:22] <dragoon> has been working fine
[07:22] <dragoon> idk /
[07:23] <chamilton_> hello
[07:23] <ElitePete> hi
[07:23] <Overclocked_486> Hey, I'm using the Korn shell and I'm having trouble with my environment variables such as $MAIL. They keep getting purged when I close Xterm. Is there a way I can make them stick around?
[07:25] <Overclocked_486> any takers?
[07:25] <Phoenix1701> Hey guys, I just got Ubuntu up and running (w00!) but I'm noticing it's not running an SSH server by default...  should I get openssh, or is there something already built in, and in either case how do I make it launch at startup?  I'm also noticing it has no dev tools or anything of the like, so I'm installing gcc and make and gdb manually...  is there a shortcut for installing all the common dev tools automatically?
[07:25] <Methynutnut> hoooooooly moly I love breezy, thank you thank you thank you for off-the-bat audigy ls support! hahaha
[07:25] <Phoenix1701> Overclocked_486: Unfortunately I'm not familiar with ksh...
[07:25] <Squee-D2> phoenix build-esssentials
[07:25] <sethk> Phoenix1701, get openssh
[07:25] <Phoenix1701> Usually what you need in that case is a setenv or an export or something like that.
[07:25] <Overclocked_486> Phoenix1701: openSSH is listed in Synaptic. Installing's a snap.
[07:25] <intelikey> Overclocked_486 you asking about an rc file to load your vars or what ?      you don't want your $MAIL in system area
[07:26] <sethk> Overclocked_486, add them to $HOME/.bashrc
[07:26] <Phoenix1701> Okay, cool.  So how do I get OpenSSH to run at startup automatically?
[07:26] <sethk> Phoenix1701, the install does that for you
[07:26] <Phoenix1701> And Squee-D2: build-essentials gives you gcc and whatnot?
[07:26] <Phoenix1701> sethk: Awesome, should have known it'd be easy.  This distro rocks.
[07:26] <intelikey> sethk bashrc for kcsh ?
[07:27] <sethk> intelikey, ksh is usually a link to .bashrc
[07:27] <Overclocked_486> intelikey: If I say "MAIL=~/Mail", then "echo $MAIL", it echoes "/home/overclocked/Mail". Then if I close the terminal emulator, open a new one and "echo $MAIL" I get an empty line.
[07:27] <mrkoje> sethk,  is that the korn shell
[07:27] <Overclocked_486> yes, ksh == Korn shell
[07:28] <sethk> mrkoje, usually, although sometimes ksh is a link to bash, or to zsh
[07:28] <mrkoje> sethk,  oh ok
[07:28] <Squee-D2> Im completely owned, i cannot get networking running under ubuntu
[07:28] <skiingsean> hello i am by far a native ubuntu user, but what would root pw be on a live cd
[07:28] <sethk> mrkoje, and bash is supposedly ksh compatible.  zsh really is ksh compatible
[07:28] <sethk> skiingsean, empty
[07:28] <Overclocked_486> sethk: is there a specific place I should put that?
[07:29] <sethk> Overclocked_486, anywhere in .bashrc (or .kshrc, whichever is correct),   export MAIL=/var/spool/mail
[07:29] <sethk> Overclocked_486, I made up the value of MAIL, but you know what I mean
[07:29] <skiingsean> sethk, su -   empty password fails
[07:29] <sethk> skiingsean, without the -?
[07:29] <intelikey> Overclocked_486 mmm export the line you use  MAIL=/MAIL   or what ever it is.
[07:29] <skiingsean> failed
[07:29] <Overclocked_486> sethk: so if I want fetchmail to send the stuff to ~/Mail, then let procmail sort it, $MAIL should still be ~/Mail?
[07:30] <Overclocked_486> intelikey: I did. That's the rub.
[07:30] <sethk> Overclocked_486, I would have to check the fetchmail docs, but most likely.
[07:30] <skiingsean> sethk, still fails
[07:30] <sethk> Overclocked_486, you can specify a mailbox explicitly with fetchmail, which is a better option
[07:30] <Krassy> what is root password on first start for ubuntu live DVD ?
[07:30] <sethk> skiingsean, let me see if I can reboot a machinee with the live cd
[07:30] <Overclocked_486> sethk: in my .fetchmailrc?
[07:31] <skiingsean> sethk,  :) thanks much I appreciate it
[07:31] <intelikey> Krassy there isn't one.
[07:31] <sethk> Overclocked_486, for delivery location?  yes, in the rc file
[07:31] <sethk> skiingsean, do this:    sudo passwd
[07:31] <sethk> skiingsean, then enter a password at the prompt
[07:31] <sethk> skiingsean, then that password should subsequently work with su
[07:32] <aztek> alright so i'm stumped. i am using the wiki instructions to install the ATI drivers on my laptop. the dialog to pick Ubuntu 5.10 to do a custom distro install stretches beyond my screen and i can't click on continue. :(
[07:32] <skiingsean> sethk, hey thanks!
[07:32] <skiingsean> sethk, it works
[07:32] <sethk> skiingsean, good.  :)
[07:32] <skiingsean> :)
[07:32] <Krassy> i can`t log as root in terminal window
[07:32] <Overclocked_486> sethk: I guess I was doing it the lazy way...
[07:33] <techrush> aztek i ran into that problem once before...
[07:33] <techrush> never figured it out :/
[07:33] <Phoenix1701> What do you guys think the chances are of this hosing my system?  I have had bad experiences with dpkg in the past...
[07:33] <intelikey> aztek ever think of  holding down left alt and  left mouse button to move the whole screen ?
[07:33] <sethk> Overclocked_486, nothing wrong with the lazy way in this case.  I just prefer setting it explicitly.  nothing to remember.
[07:33] <aztek> holy cow
[07:34] <aztek> no i didn't
[07:34] <aztek> <- noob
[07:34] <aztek> :D
[07:34] <aztek> thanks
[07:34] <intelikey> :)
[07:34] <sethk> aztek, or use the keyboard shortcut to resize
[07:34] <sethk> aztek, or the upper left corner icon, right click to get menu
[07:34] <aztek> yeah the ATI window won't let me resize it
[07:34] <brenner>  Phoenix1701 how are you doing it? my guess is if you use the right repos, you should be right
[07:34] <Overclocked_486> sethk: Where exactly should that go? I have the "poll server" line, setting the protocol, giving the username and passwd, a line for decoding MIME, and a line to tell fetchmail where procmail is.
[07:34] <Phoenix1701> I haven't even enabled Universe yet.
[07:35] <Phoenix1701> This is all straight from Ubuntu.
[07:35] <sethk> Overclocked_486, that's all you need, then.  if $MAIL is used, procmail will be using it.
[07:35] <Overclocked_486> sethk: But $MAIL is busted.
[07:35] <sethk> Overclocked_486, didn't realize you were using procmail.  You do already have an explicit destination, albeit a logical one
[07:35] <sethk> Overclocked_486, then you have to look at its interaction with procmail, not fetchmail
[07:35] <sethk> Overclocked_486, assuming that procmail does receive the message.
[07:36] <Overclocked_486> man, mutt is a pain to configure.
[07:36] <intelikey> pass ty
[07:36] <Krassy> thanks
[07:36] <sethk> Overclocked_486, might want to set up webadmin
[07:37] <Overclocked_486> sethk: webadmin?
[07:37] <dragoon> webmin
[07:37] <brenner> Phoenix1701: so main only?  then like i said, you should be fine.  although i don't really see the need to install every package avail. :P
[07:38] <intelikey> aztek i remember finding that little jewl several years ago.    you'll never forget it now :)
[07:38] <aztek> indeed i won't
[07:39] <aztek> unfortunately i think my ati install has poopedout. or it just takes a long long time
[07:39] <aztek> oh
[07:40] <Overclocked_486> sethk: w00t. I just sent an email to myself via webmail, then called fetchmail, and it ended up in the folder I wanted it to.
[07:40] <gnude> anyone here run gentoo linux??
[07:40] <Overclocked_486> sethK: Is it possible to poll more than 1 pop server per .fetchmailrc?
[07:41] <intelikey> gnude i've used gentoo on mdk before    :)
[07:41] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[07:41] <royce> I have a laptop with a broadcom woreless adapter, I have it setup with ndiswrapper, it works fine, I'm using it now, but the ubuntu always has it listed as disconnected, any ideas?
[07:41] <DeMoNSeEd> anybody know where i could find the bmp-extra-plugins package for breezy
[07:41] <royce> *wireless
[07:41] <mitch__> #ubuntu-meeting
[07:41] <intelikey> !info gentoo
[07:42] <ubotu> gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section universe/x11, is optional.  I had a helluva time getting my atheros card to work.
[07:43] <gnude> ubotu,  so you're pretty into gentoo?  do you run ubuntu?
[07:43] <ubotu> gnude: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:43] <royce> Overclocked_486:  i'm not sure, ndiswrapper seemed to pick it right up, and the connection works, just is reported incorrectly, lemme try and find out
[07:43] <intelikey> gnude you missed what i was saying.   not gentoo the distro  but gentoo the file manager.   ^
[07:44] <Overclocked_486> royce: That's bizarre.
[07:44] <techrush> left alt and left mouse button ?
[07:44] <techrush> lets you do what exactly ?
[07:44] <aztek> drag the window around
[07:44] <Methynutnut> hmm could anyone please point me to any client-side quality-of-service thing so I don't have this 9-second lag in IRC when I'm downloading a file in firefox?
[07:44] <techrush> its not doing anything for me
[07:44] <aztek> like clicking on the border but you can click on the middle of the window
[07:44] <aztek> works for me
[07:44] <techrush> ic
[07:44] <techrush> ok
[07:45] <gnude> you toughies win.  just asked.
[07:45] <royce> Overclocked_486: yeah, it's connected not but it is listed as disconnected, no data in or out, is there a command that will do an ip refresh?
[07:45] <techrush> im about to try to install the newest ati driver from the site
[07:45] <techrush> see if this works
[07:45] <brenner> DeMoNSeEd: what plugin are you after exactly?
[07:45] <aztek> tiz what i'm trying but it seems to hang
[07:45] <aztek> :(
[07:46] <Methynutnut> techrush, let me know how it goes, I'm doing the same in half an hour ;)
[07:46] <techrush> yah np
[07:47] <DeMoNSeEd> it a plugin package that goes with beep-media-player, it's called bmp-extra-plugins, it includes stuff like a status docklet
[07:47] <intelikey> gnude as for the question about switching distros, i haven't.    i added ubuntu to the list of os's on this box for a very specific reason.
[07:47] <DeMoNSeEd> it's the status docklet that i'm really after
[07:47] <DeMoNSeEd> i prefer beep to xmms
[07:48] <brenner> like a panel applet?
[07:48] <DeMoNSeEd> yup
[07:48] <intelikey> !start a desktop war
[07:48] <ubotu> e17 is much better than gnome!
[07:48] <brenner> DeMoNSeEd: gxmms maybe?
[07:48] <royce> Overclocked_486: i just realized that the connection listed as my network connection is eth0, not wlan0, can I change that
[07:48] <ilba7r_> i always have firmware error that result in frequent disconnection of my ipw2200 wirless card. is there a solution for that
[07:48] <techrush> here it goes :)
[07:48] <DeMoNSeEd> k i'll try...thanks
[07:48] <royce> Overclocked_486: nm
[07:49] <Siph0n> neone else have a prob with beep media player? where if u open the mp3 file, from the file manager, it says it cant play.... but if u open beep media player first, then choose the mp3 from beep media player it works?
[07:49] <royce> n00b
[07:49] <DeMoNSeEd> nope
[07:49] <Syntux> Why I have to remove ubuntu-desktop if I want to remove gaim ?
[07:50] <DeMoNSeEd> although, i've must admit, i've never tried that while running beep with ubuntu
[07:50] <ejofee> "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[07:50] <ejofee> why?
[07:50] <ilba7r_> syntux ubuntu-desktop is a meta package used for update purpose
[07:50] <DeMoNSeEd> brb
[07:50] <intelikey> Syntux cause ubdesktop is a meta pack that requires all the default install files
[07:50] <Syntux> ilba7r, so removing it means losing the update?
[07:50] <brenner> Siph0n: did you associate bmp with your mp3 files?
[07:51] <Siph0n> brenner, yea pretty sure, i go chk
[07:51] <ilba7r_> syntux not basically the updates but most probably the upgrade from one release to the other
[07:51] <fluvvell> brenner: i was wondering if it needed switches set for opening mp3's
[07:51] <techrush> the driver from ati doesnt work here
[07:51] <techrush> FYI
[07:51] <Methynutnut> ejofee, I have no security.ubuntu.com repositories in my sources.list :/
[07:51] <Syntux> ilba7r, ah ok thanks
[07:51] <techrush> error generating package it says
[07:51] <ilba7r_> ur welcomed syntux
[07:51] <Methynutnut> techrush, really? darn
[07:51] <brenner> fluvvell: what would?
[07:52] <ejofee> Methynutnut: and does this mean i shouldn't have them either? (i am a newbye)
[07:52] <Siph0n> where do i check to see if bmp is associated with mp3 files?
[07:52] <fluvvell> brenner, bmp-media-player - just a thought
[07:52] <royce> I am using ubuntu as a dual boot machine, I would like to mount the other partition of this drive, how would I do that?
[07:52] <brenner> Siph0n: right click an mp3 > properties > open with
[07:52] <Methynutnut> ejofee, well I installed breezy an hour ago, and my file doesn't have that repository. you can probably take it out without hurting anything
[07:53] <Siph0n> k yea
[07:53] <intelikey> royce what are they ?
[07:53] <Methynutnut> ejofee, as it is, it's a warning, so you can safely ignore it
[07:53] <ejofee> Methynutnut: i took it from the "source-o-matic"
[07:53] <Methynutnut> never heard of that
[07:53] <techrush> Methynutnut: im now trying this howto http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[07:53] <royce> intelikey: the other partition is ntfs, wixh i understood the ?
[07:53] <Siph0n> i open it with beep media player, and it says i dont have the correct plugin
[07:53] <brenner> fluvvell: you could be right.  some people have trouble with the default output plugin...
[07:53] <Siph0n> or another sound device is already active
[07:53] <techrush> seems to do things a bit differently
[07:54] <brenner> Siph0n: open up bmp
[07:54] <brenner> and then go to preferences
[07:54] <brenner> ctrl+p
[07:54] <fluvvell> brenner, its just that so much of ubuntu sound stuff is linked with the free codecs like ogg and flac and stuff.
[07:54] <Syntux> ilba7r, Ok, I removed gaim, and installed gaim 2.0CVS, now when I do apt-get update it request to replace gaim 2.0 with 1.5, how to stop this
[07:54] <fluvvell> brenner, due to the licencing requirements of mp3
[07:54] <Siph0n> brenner, k there
[07:55] <brenner> fluvvell: ah, now i get what you mean.  no, bmp comes with mp3 support ootb iirc
[07:55] <brenner> Siph0n: go to plugins
[07:55] <ilba7r_> syntux because the updater will always prefer a regular release over a cvs one
[07:55] <brenner> Siph0n: click on the output tab and change it to esound
[07:55] <ilba7r_> syntux you can use synaptic and use force version option
[07:55] <fluvvell> brenner, ah. I should look at it I guess :-)
[07:56] <Siph0n> brenner, awesome thanx :)
[07:56] <brenner> Siph0n: works now?
[07:56] <Siph0n> so what was the prob, why does the
[07:56] <Siph0n> OSS not work?
[07:56] <Adross> what is the run command for the window list panel of xfce?
[07:56] <Siph0n> works :)
[07:56] <Syntux> ilba7r,  hmm the 2.0CVS isn't listed in synaptic.
[07:56] <brenner> Siph0n: *nod* a lot of people seem to have problems with it, me included.
[07:56] <ilba7r_> it has to be look under version
[07:56] <arrik> anyone know how to get 3d games going?  i got this ouput when i tried to run Enemy territory
[07:56] <arrik>  You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[07:56] <arrik>  Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1
[07:57] <Siph0n> brenner, well thanx :)
[07:57] <Krassy> I have first started ubuntu from liveDVD what is root passord i can log as root in terminal window ?
[07:57] <intelikey>  "window list panel of xfce"   never heard of that.