[05:58] <GPRIME666> I am trying to install Quicktime4linux, it is a tar.bz2. What do I do to nistall. It has no README
[05:58] <dud> lighter than firefox would be links or lynx
[05:58] <Gershwin> heh no
[05:59] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: that requires bunzip2...
[05:59] <BadGuy> Thing is even the crash kit isn't installing
[05:59] <sgteich> HaloGray, I'd like to think I built my systems as "linux friendly" as I could - I'm fairly new to linux
[05:59] <dud> GPRIME666, use bunzip, the ./configure && make && sudo make
[05:59] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: so -> bunzip2 file.tar.bz2
[05:59] <dud> then eve
[05:59] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: then -> what I wrote before to untar
[06:00] <BadGuy> Gnoppix Miniprototype 1 hangs on install
[06:00] <Gershwin> Dillo or Konquerer, Amaya are lightweight browser
[06:00] <Gershwin> lots more to chose from
[06:00] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: er, no, to untar do this -> tar xvf tarball.tar
[06:01] <BadGuy> So im very much stuck
[06:01] <SiRrUs> BadGuy i maybe wrong but if your having Gnoppix problems you may want to ask in a Gnoppix channel
[06:03] <SiRrUs> anyway later people
[06:05] <Gershwin> wow, the gnoppix website is one slick lookin page
[06:05] <mebaran151> heheh
[06:05] <regeya> indeed
[06:06] <mebaran151> it is pretty slick
[06:06] <mebaran151> so slick
[06:06] <regeya> at least they have someone with a decent design sense on the project
[06:06] <mebaran151> that I get the scary paid commercial vibe
[06:06] <Gershwin> ya... kinda makes you just wanna lean back in your chair & grin
[06:06] <regeya> heh
[06:07] <mebaran151> like
[06:07] <mebaran151> it looks like a big ad
[06:07] <regeya> wonder if they bought a template, or something...yes, people sell website templates these days
[06:07] <mebaran151> which isnt bad
[06:07] <mebaran151> but you know, their are some things about it
[06:07] <Badguykik> Theres no GNOPPIX channel from what i see
[06:07] <Gershwin> best to let the really good web designers design websites
[06:07] <mebaran151> it isnt written in good html though
[06:07] <mebaran151> all tables
[06:07] <Gershwin> good thing the car industry isn't like the website industry
[06:08] <mebaran151> I thought we are supposed to use div and css now
[06:08] <Gershwin> or 100,000 ppl would be dying on America's roads every day
[06:08] <mebaran151> haha Gershwin
[06:08] <mebaran151> I am glad you have given such a vote of confidence in my side job
[06:09] <subterrific> anyone on amd64 around?
[06:09] <mebaran151> I am
[06:09] <mebaran151> I am having weird problems with the nvidia module
[06:09] <subterrific> do you use azureus by any chance?
[06:09] <mebaran151> I have to forcefully modprobe it
[06:09] <mebaran151> I have never heard of azureus
[06:09] <mebaran151> what does it do
[06:09] <subterrific> it is a java bittorrent client
[06:09] <mebaran151> why would we use a java bittorrent client
[06:09] <subterrific> i've just learned how to create debian packages and i packaged java and azureus
[06:10] <Badguykik> Guess it wont work then
[06:10] <mebaran151> you packaged Java
[06:10] <mebaran151> sexy
[06:10] <underdog> hi everyone
[06:10] <subterrific> in my opinion it is the nicest bittorrent client
[06:10] <mebaran151> is it uploaded yet
[06:10] <Gershwin> just curious, did it hurt the 1st time u forcefully modprobe'd it?
[06:10] <underdog> can anyone tell my why the "xfonts-nexus" package isn't working right? the font doesn't appear on my font dialog :(
[06:10] <mebaran151> I felt a pang in my chest
[06:10] <mebaran151> but it didnt go wrong
[06:10] <subterrific> i'm not an official package maintainer, so no
[06:10] <mebaran151> oh
[06:10] <cg0def> azureus is not that nice
[06:10] <subterrific> cg0def: what is better?
[06:11] <mebaran151> I think Java is sort of silly for somet5hing like this
[06:11] <vjaz> What's the difference between Gnoppix and the Ubuntu Live CD, or are they the same?
[06:11] <cg0def> bittornado works better
[06:11] <mebaran151> the standard bittorent client works for me
[06:11] <regeya> mebaran151: pang in your chest...
[06:11] <mebaran151> yes
[06:11] <mebaran151> I was nervous
[06:11] <cg0def> does not put as much load on your network
[06:11] <mebaran151> that something was going to explode
[06:11] <cg0def> and also no 50mb ram for a virtual machine
[06:11] <mebaran151> nothing goes wrong
[06:11] <mebaran151> it looks like the vermagic is messed up somehow
[06:11] <mebaran151> between the nivida modules and the kernel
[06:12] <Ainvar> hmmm looking at getting a dell 8600 or 6000 laptop
[06:12] <subterrific> can you remotely operate bittornado?
[06:12] <Ainvar> how does ubuntu run on dell laptops?
[06:12] <cg0def> what do I need to do so that I can modify the wiki
[06:12] <Badguykik> Is there a livecd channel thats good with this?
[06:12] <cg0def> there's an error
[06:12] <subterrific> cg0def: make an account
[06:12] <subterrific> cg0def: and login
[06:12] <cg0def> thx
[06:12] <subterrific> cg0def: can you remotely operate bittornado?
[06:13] <subterrific> thats one of the best features of azureus, being able to operate it via a webbrowser from another machine
[06:13] <mebaran151> I dont want to pull down Java
[06:13] <mebaran151> just for bittorent
[06:13] <red-nix> ok i have a quick question. on the forms is there a way to search for post by yourself or do you have to subscribe to each one in order to find it again?
[06:13] <red-nix> forums even
[06:14] <subterrific> mebaran151: you really care that much about 50megs of disk space?
[06:14] <mebaran151> no
[06:14] <mebaran151> just Java always seemed to be a lot of trouble to set up
[06:14] <mebaran151> and I dont use it that much
[06:14] <mebaran151> disk space is no big deal
[06:15] <mebaran151> it just a hassle
[06:15] <subterrific> dpkg -i java.deb
[06:15] <Ainvar> java is easy to setup using the unofficial guide
[06:15] <subterrific> easy
[06:15] <Ainvar> that is even easier too
[06:15] <Ronan151> is there a way to get ubuntu to let me choose KDE or GNOME when i boot?
[06:15] <mebaran151> we have a java.deb!?
[06:16] <mebaran151> why didnt nobody tell me about this
[06:16] <subterrific> debian includes a tool called java-package that helps you create .debs for java
[06:16] <mebaran151> oh
[06:16] <mebaran151> java-package
[06:16] <mebaran151> it seemed to be a hassle
[06:16] <mebaran151> for something I just dont use very often
[06:16] <subterrific> http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[06:16] <HaloGray> ati doesn't support notebook drivers for windows or for linux, and when I go to Dell looking for any linux drivers they only support their software
[06:16] <HaloGray> errr hardware
[06:17] <HaloGray> they have windows video drivers... those were updated waaaay back in July
[06:17] <jblack> I've added a line to apt's sources.list, and I got the following error:
[06:17] <subterrific> i agree it is a hassle, and i agree java sucks, but some people need it
[06:17] <jblack> W: GPG error: http://people.ubuntu.com ./ Release: The following signaturescouldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A43E6D27128287E8
[06:17] <subterrific> pepsi: hey
[06:17] <mebaran151> anybody having weird vermagic trouble with the nvidia moduels
[06:17] <underdog> can anyone tell my why the "xfonts-nexus" package isn't working right? the font doesn't appear on my font dialog :(
[06:17] <mebaran151> xfonts
[06:17] <mebaran151> what program are you trying to call an xfont from
[06:18] <Your_God> yay
[06:18] <mebaran151> if it is one of the ones running fontconfig or openoffice
[06:18] <mebaran151> you might not see them
[06:18] <crimsun> jblack: you need to add the appropriate key using apt-key. Modify the instructions at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary accordingly.
[06:19] <underdog> mebaran151: gnome-terminal
[06:19] <jblack> Thank you crimsun
[06:19] <Ronan151> is there a way to install KDE along side of GNOME?
[06:19] <mebaran151> gnome-terminal should
[06:19] <mebaran151> hmmm
[06:20] <mebaran151> oh gnome-terminal probably uses fontconfig
[06:20] <mebaran151> which sort of goes around xfont
[06:20] <mebaran151> fontconfig handles nice scaly fonts I think
[06:20] <mebaran151> I really wouldnt know though
[06:21] <crimsun> gnome-terminal uses gtk2 and pango, based on fontconfig
[06:21] <red-nix> question something isn't clickin with me and tar bzip2  i have a directory in my home called netdrivers   i tried tar cjf ~/netdrivers netdrivers.bz   but that doesn't appear to work what am i doing wrong please :(
[06:21] <underdog> crimsun: would i need to rebuild a cache or something?
[06:22] <underdog> because i really have no idea
[06:22] <crimsun> red-nix: I presume you're trying to create a tar?
[06:22] <crimsun> red-nix: if so, you reversed the arguments
[06:22] <red-nix> right with bzip2 compression
[06:22] <red-nix> ok so its tar cjf filename.bz /path ?
[06:23] <crimsun> pretty much, but the filename will be .tar.bz2
[06:23] <red-nix> thats fine
[06:23] <red-nix> so correct me if im wrong
[06:23] <underdog> mebaran151: how can I rebuild the font cache or something?
[06:23] <red-nix> tar cjf networkdrivers ~/networkdrivers
[06:23] <red-nix> that would do it?
[06:24] <crimsun> underdog: xset fp rehash
[06:25] <crimsun> red-nix: it's standard practice to append .tar.bz2 onto the base filename.
[06:25] <mebaran151> hmmm
[06:25] <pepsi> hi subterrific :)
[06:26] <red-nix> ok and to test it is tar -T networkdrivers.tar.bz right?
[06:27] <underdog> crimsun: i see some new fonts, but this one still won't show. you think restarting X is in order?
[06:27] <crimsun> underdog: shouldn't be necessary. grep for it in xlsfonts
[06:28] <underdog> yup, I see nexus
[06:30] <underdog> crimsun: but it doesn't show on my font-list. restarting x?
[06:31] <helio7> ubuntu 6.3 is hoary??
[06:31] <daniels> helio7: 5.04
[06:32] <crimsun> underdog: the font list of which app(s)?
[06:32] <helio7> I'm getting an unresolvable dependencies issue when I try and install Swat ... is it only part of Hoary ?
[06:33] <underdog> crimsun: gnome-terminal
[06:33] <mebaran151> ehy the vermagic cleared up
[06:33] <mebaran151> I wonder why
[06:33] <crimsun> underdog: need to sudo fc-cache -vf
[06:35] <red-nix> crimsun: i found what i was looking for tar cf - file(s) | bzip2 -9 > filename.tar.bz2  thanks for the help by the way
[06:35] <underdog> crimsun: still won't work
[06:40] <underdog> crimsun: any more brilliant ideas?
[06:41] <mebaran151> xfonts are rather odd anyway
[06:43] <crimsun> underdog: can you select the font in a legacy app?
[06:44] <underdog> define legacy app :(
[06:47] <gijosh> Does Ubuntu upgrade everything when you install?  I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it didn't upgrade anything.
[06:47] <Xenguy> gijosh: does your /etc/apt/sources.list point to any mirrors, or only to a CD-ROM?
[06:48] <yohannes> has anyone successfully run dvd shrink with wine? mine does but could not detect my drive. any suggestions?
[06:48] <gijosh> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[06:48] <gijosh> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[06:48] <gijosh> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:48] <gijosh> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:48] <gijosh> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:48] <gijosh> ## repository.
[06:48] <gijosh> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[06:48] <gijosh> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[06:49] <gijosh> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[06:49] <gijosh> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[06:49] <gijosh> ## team.
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:49] <gijosh> Woa, sorry.  Iddn't meen to paste all that
[06:49] <gijosh> That's like the deffinition of paste spam.  *blushes*
[06:50] <Flik> Does anyone know of any AIM clients I can run under Ubuntu that support voice chats?
[06:50] <Xenguy> gijosh: so you need to uncomment appropriate lines, and run the update and upgrade again, yes?
[06:51] <gijosh> WHich should I uncomment?  Thanks for the help, btw.
[06:51] <Xenguy> gijosh: well it tells you, right? "## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software..."
[06:51] <hawke> Flik: I don't think there are any.
[06:53] <gijosh> BAKA!  Thanks.    Though I realy shouldn't excuse carelessness.  Thanks Xenguy
[06:53] <Xenguy> gijosh: yw - run the update soon to make sure you are as secure/updated as possible
[06:54] <gijosh> ANother quick question - On the Gnome file browser under network, it has "windows network" listed.  Which is odd because I'm connected strait to my cable modem.  Not on any network other then my isp's.
[06:55] <Frederick> hi folks, where can I find the minimum requirements for ubuntu?
[06:55] <Xenguy> gijosh: not sure about that
[06:55] <Ronan151> can someone help me with a problem
[06:55] <j-rock> Frederick: they should be pretty minimum, like just about any pentium class processor can run it
[06:55] <Xenguy> Frederick: I'm pretty sure that is documented on the web site
[06:56] <Ronan151> i loaded gnome up and now my menubars are gone
[06:56] <Ronan151> any ideas how to get them back?
[06:57] <Frederick> Xenguy but it isnt on the faq :/
[06:57] <mebaran151> gnome-panel
[06:57] <mebaran151> gives you all the menu bars
[06:57] <mebaran151> just type that into terminal
[06:57] <Xenguy> Frederick: looking now
[06:57] <mebaran151> you can right click and load it
[06:57] <mebaran151> Anyone know a good livecd
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah hoary
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[06:58] <mebaran151> that is pretty light weight
[06:58] <Ronan151> it says it detects one already running
[06:58] <Ronan151> but its not here
[06:58] <mebaran151> running XFCE
[06:58] <mebaran151> or something
[06:58] <crimsun> xfld
[06:58] <mebaran151> good ofr like a 400 mzh processor with 128 mb RAM
[06:58] <crimsun> based on debian sarge.
[06:58] <mebaran151> lket me chekc it out
[06:58] <DesiGuy421> hey guys
[06:58] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> where can i get DC client that is not dcgui-qt or dcgui?
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> a good one
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> that works
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> that can connect to i2hub
[06:59] <gijosh> I rant apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, it shows it getting the package lists, reading package lists, building dependency tree, then it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.  Was it successful?
[06:59] <gijosh> ran*
[06:59] <Ronan151> it says "Ive Detected A Panel Already running, im going to exit now"
[06:59] <Xenguy> Frederick: hrm, I'm missing it too; did find this FWIW: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM
[06:59] <mebaran151> ronan151
[06:59] <Ronan151> yeah
[06:59] <mebaran151> what do you mean by menubars
[06:59] <Ronan151> the panel
[06:59] <mebaran151> cool
[07:00] <mebaran151> just skill gnome-panel
[07:00] <mebaran151> and reload it
[07:00] <Ronan151> ahh, you rock, im new to this
[07:00] <Ronan151> thaks
[07:00] <mebaran151> I hope you dont have to do that everytime
[07:01] <mebaran151> it makes me wonder why it didnt go correctly
[07:01] <Frederick> Xenguy I have it running in 256 mb ram and it is running great but who knows
[07:01] <Ronan151> i dont know, i just installed KDE
[07:01] <Ronan151> could that mess with it?
[07:01] <mebaran151> maybe
[07:01] <mebaran151> I dont think so
[07:01] <mebaran151> then again
[07:01] <mebaran151> I dont know as I dont run KDE at all
[07:01] <underdog> crimsun: so? what do you consider a legacy app? something like xterm?
[07:01] <Xenguy> Frederick: yeah, it should definitely be listed somewhere obvious
[07:01] <DesiGuy421> any response to my DC question?
[07:02] <mebaran151> what was it DesiGuy421
[07:02] <crimsun> underdog: sure, that would work.
[07:02] <Ronan151> ill log out and log back in to see if it does it again
[07:02] <DesiGuy421> i'm looking for a good DC client that works and isn't dcgui or dcgui-qt
[07:02] <underdog> crimsun: won't work.
[07:02] <Frederick> Xenguy iI dont know what ppl call low resources machine, I think 256 MB ram is quite a good ammount of ram
[07:03] <cef> so is ubuntu looking at yaird at all?
[07:03] <underdog> crimsun: passing -fw, -fwb or -fx with nexus or -misc-nexus-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 won't do the trick
[07:03] <Ronan151> nope, everything is good now!
[07:04] <Xenguy> Frederick: should be more than fine
[07:04] <DesiGuy421> hmm
[07:04] <DesiGuy421> alright
[07:04] <mebaran151> underdog, do you get normal xfonts
[07:05] <DesiGuy421> anyone else have the problem w/dcgui-qt where every icon is the icon of the passively-connected ghost?
[07:05] <underdog> mebaran151: xfontsel shows it
[07:05] <mebaran151> ah
[07:05] <mebaran151> but I mean
[07:06] <mebaran151> in any of these apps
[07:06] <mebaran151> do you get the other xfonts
[07:06] <mebaran151> I dont think xfonts play nice with fontconfig
[07:06] <mebaran151> it just doesnt sound like it would
[07:06] <moj0rising> hello.
[07:06] <moj0rising> anyone here?
[07:07] <Ronan151> so if i want to change themes for gnome, do i need to download a theme engine for gtk+?
[07:07] <Panzerboy> hi all
[07:07] <mebaran151> anybdoy know how to make the xmms fonts less ragged
[07:07] <mebaran151> my xmms fonts look pretty bad for some reason
[07:07] <cef> moj0rising: you'd think so, what with 314 odd in the channel, but no, there's no one here *grin*
[07:07] <underdog> well mebaran151, I see all the other fonts on xfontsel
[07:07] <Frederick> Xenguy it is
[07:07] <mebaran151> no
[07:07] <moj0rising> Ronan151, You should be able to change themes without downloading anything except the theme itself.
[07:07] <mebaran151> but I meant in an app you want to use the font
[07:07] <mebaran151> do you see it
[07:07] <moj0rising> haha
[07:08] <mebaran151> like in gnome
[07:08] <GammaRay> Ronan151: some themes need one, some don't
[07:08] <mebaran151> gnome-terminal
[07:08] <Panzerboy> ubuntu newbie question
[07:08] <Frederick> Can I simple add + ram on my pc and linux will be still booting fine?
[07:08] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:08] <DesiGuy421> i guess noone really uses DC
[07:08] <Panzerboy> how do i install a new kernel in ubuntu?
[07:08] <moj0rising> yes
[07:08] <Panzerboy> i don't want to compile it myself
[07:08] <mebaran151> I think RAM is detected on boot
[07:08] <Panzerboy> i just need the "ubuntu way" :D
[07:08] <DesiGuy421> panzer
[07:08] <underdog> mebaran151: nope
[07:08] <DesiGuy421> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <underdog> mebaran151: can't see it on the gnome applications
[07:08] <moj0rising> you can add more ram and everything will be fine.
[07:08] <cef> no need to fiddle with anything if you add more ram
[07:08] <Panzerboy> DesiGuy421: i am in hoary now :)
[07:08] <moj0rising> no adjustments needed.
[07:09] <DesiGuy421> ohh, :/
[07:09] <Panzerboy> DesiGuy421: i just need another kernel
[07:09] <Frederick> moj0rising thanks for the info :)
[07:09] <moj0rising> no sweat.
[07:09] <cef> however, you might want to test your ram using something like memtest86 after you install it
[07:09] <Panzerboy> cause with this one, i have some problems copying files from a ntfs partition
[07:09] <GammaRay> Ronan151: if the theme is just a few kb it probably needs one
[07:09] <mebaran151> underdog, yep
[07:09] <Panzerboy> so i _guess_ it's the kernel's fault
[07:09] <moj0rising> I have a simple question... HOw can I remove a symbolic link?
[07:09] <mebaran151> all apps based on gtk2 use fontconfig I think
[07:09] <Xenguy> Frederick: google is our friend -> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch02.html
[07:09] <mebaran151> I might be wrong as fonts are tricky for me
[07:09] <cef> simply to make sure it's working with your hardware, not specifically to make sure it works with linux
[07:09] <Panzerboy> so is there a recommended way of installing a new kernel?
[07:10] <Xenguy> Frederick: google -> ubuntu "system requirements"
[07:10] <mebaran151> fontconfig I think uses only truetype fonts
[07:10] <Panzerboy> let's say not necessary new, bunt _other_ kernel
[07:10] <Frederick> Xenguy so you are thanks a lot :)
[07:10] <mebaran151> and type 1
[07:10] <Xenguy> Frederick:  yw - nite
[07:10] <mebaran151> so you are probably going to have to lose the xfont
[07:10] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: what problems with copying?
[07:11] <Frederick> Xenguy what do you mean with yw - nite?
[07:11] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it started when I tried to play some mp3's from that partition, no matter what player i've tried, it kept behaving the same: it played like 10 secs of the mp3 the get to the next on
[07:11] <Panzerboy> and so on
[07:11] <cef> moj0rising: same way you delete any file. just make sure that you are deleting the link, and not what the link points at
[07:11] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: then i've tried to copy some mp3's to my /home
[07:11] <kreiger> Panzerboy, which mp3 player?
[07:12] <moj0rising> ah. Where is the link located. I know that sounds silly..
[07:12] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: only to find out that it failed to copy each one of them
[07:12] <underdog> mebaran151: noooooooooo... not nexusssssss :((((
[07:12] <Panzerboy> kreiger: well, let's see: xmms, beep media player and rhythmbox
[07:12] <moj0rising> ...I am trying to get java to work completely w/ firefox...
[07:12] <Arion> Anyone any good at installing Ubuntu?  I'm having a problem with the installation.
[07:12] <moj0rising> ..when I made the link from java dir to moz plugin dir...
[07:12] <Panzerboy> it's not a problem with the player or with the mp3 playing
[07:12] <moj0rising> ..i broke all my mozilla browsers.
[07:13] <Panzerboy> anyway, i just want to try another kernel
[07:13] <Panzerboy> but it's strange, cause in warty i had the EXACT same problem
[07:13] <Panzerboy> not in mandrake 10.1 though
[07:13] <Panzerboy> so ... i don't know
[07:13] <cef> moj0rising: how did you install java?
[07:13] <moj0rising> followed ubuntuguide.
[07:14] <moj0rising> ran the script.
[07:14] <moj0rising> THen excecuted some commands in the guide.
[07:14] <moj0rising> it works w/ java apps. LIke JAP.
[07:14] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: you could install another kernel via synaptic/apt
[07:14] <moj0rising> and my work email -- which uses java in the browser -- works
[07:15] <moj0rising> but some java applets in firefox do not work..
[07:15] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: Do you have the same problem with any other type of file?
[07:15] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: well, let me try to copy another one
[07:16] <mebaran151> anybody have raggedy fonts in xmms
[07:16] <mebaran151> ?
[07:17] <cef> moj0rising: are you sure the java applets work properly at all? there are a lot of web based java applets that STILL only work with the Microsoft (standards broken) JVM
[07:18] <mebaran151> like the right click part
[07:18] <moj0rising> I am quite sure this one will work. Says it will work in linux.
[07:18] <moj0rising> it is on smugmug.com if you have heard of that,
[07:18] <cef> nup
[07:18] <moj0rising> for batch uploads
[07:19] <moj0rising> I think I see my problem.
[07:19] <moj0rising> I had two symlinks in the plugin dir.
[07:20] <moj0rising> java must have put one in there or something...
[07:20] <moj0rising> ..and I put a second.
[07:20] <moj0rising> that probably confused ff.
[07:20] <moj0rising> so I just renamed the other one.
[07:20] <moj0rising> Furthermore, I created mine as root.
[07:21] <moj0rising> and my main user did not have many rights.
[07:21] <moj0rising> So I am working on that now.
[07:22] <Ronan151> so once ive downloaded a theme, how do i go about installing it
[07:22] <cef> remember that you'll need to completely restart firefox
[07:23] <moj0rising> haha.
[07:23] <moj0rising> well I actually can't run it.
[07:23] <moj0rising> when I created that 2nd link..
[07:23] <moj0rising> I messed something up and now it won't run at all.
[07:23] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: same thing
[07:23] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: with other files
[07:23] <Panzerboy> :(
[07:24] <moj0rising> It starts to run.. the curser starts up (i'm in kde) and then stops after like 30 sec.
[07:25] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: what happens when you cp /mnt/ntfsdir/file /tmp ?
[07:25] <ironwolf> anyone successfully gotten an encrypted file system on a jumpdrive? I keep getting weird offsets and it saying undefined encyrption.  Is there a how-to somewhere?
[07:26] <Ronan151> nm
[07:27] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: input/output error
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:27] <moj0rising> I really messed this up.
[07:27] <kreiger> Hey, anybody know how i can make it so that you can't change root passwd simply by sudo passwd root
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a wine esd driver ??
[07:28] <moj0rising> I put everything back and now mozilla browsers still won't work.
[07:28] <dash> kreiger:
[07:28] <dash> er
[07:28] <dash> kreiger: you can't, unix sucks
[07:28] <Frederick> is there any channel to discuss hardware related stuff on freenode?
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> kreiger: sudo passwd
[07:28] <cef> kreiger: look at sudo's config. you should be able to block the running of passwd
[07:29] <kreiger> Yeah, da_bon_bon sometimes my roomie is on my comp. i want to make sure he can't sudo or su anything, and he might figure out sudo passwd root
[07:29] <kreiger> something like an "enter old password to make new ones" kinda thing
[07:29] <dash> kreiger: so give him an account that doesn't have sudo
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> kreiger: disable password-less sudo
[07:29] <moj0rising> OK. I moved the .mozilla dir and now they run.
[07:29] <kreiger> da_bon_bon, how?
[07:29] <moj0rising> the browsers, not java./
[07:29] <dash> kreiger: yeah, definitely make sudo prompt you for a passwd
[07:29] <dash> (it does by default, of course)
[07:29] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: are you using ext3? reiser?
[07:30] <kreiger> Yeah, but not for changing root
[07:30] <dash> kreiger: eh?
[07:30] <cef> have to make it prompt always, even if you have given it a password recently
[07:30] <dash> cef: eh
[07:30] <kreiger> where do i change that?
[07:30] <JDahl> kreiger, man sudoers... you can blacklist specific commands, I think
[07:30] <dash> cef: sudo -k is probably enough
[07:30] <kreiger> blacklist?
[07:30] <dash> kreiger: when you type 'sudo blah', it /never/ prompts you for a password?
[07:30] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: reiser
[07:30] <cef> if you run more than one sudo quickly, the second (and more) sudo's will NOT prompt for the password
[07:31] <dash> cef: yes
[07:31] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: can it copy files from reiser partition to partition?
[07:31] <JDahl> kreiger, nm... I thought you were asking how to disable sudo passwd
[07:31] <cef> there is a defined time limit you can modify for sudo's config
[07:31] <dash> cef: but sudo -k will fix that
[07:31] <kreiger> it does when i run a command, but if I sudo passwd root i get :Enter new unix password"
[07:31] <kreiger> and it does NOT prompt me for a password
[07:31] <dash> kreiger: yes
[07:31] <cef> kreiger: it's cos you've run a sudo command recently
[07:31] <dash> kreiger: because sudo only prompts for a password every N minutes
[07:31] <kreiger> oooo
[07:32] <dash> kreiger: if you do sudo -k before letting your roommate use the machine, he can't sudo.
[07:32] <kreiger> nice
[07:32] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: let me try
[07:32] <kreiger> sweet
[07:32] <kreiger> thanks guys
[07:33] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: yes
[07:33] <moj0rising> Does anyone have some working instructions on getting java working on firefox?
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> its so easy
[07:34] <moj0rising> yeah?
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> u install java ?
[07:34] <moj0rising> I did.
[07:34] <moj0rising> It works if I run java apps.
[07:34] <JDahl> moj0rising, if you're using sun's java, there's nothing to it... just make a symlink to the installed java plugin library
[07:34] <moj0rising> but not so great in the browser.
[07:35] <moj0rising> I think I am doing it incorrectly...
[07:35] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: hmmm. How did you mount your ntfs partition? mount command? fstab?
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> moj0rising: JDahl is right
[07:35] <moj0rising> can you tell me what I sould type at the command line?
[07:35] <moj0rising> Thats what my instructions say but its not working for me.
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> yes...
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> ln -s /usr/jave/plugins/ns7/lib... /home/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> *java
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> have a look at ubuntuguide.org
[07:37] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/big -o umask=0222
[07:37] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: manually
[07:37] <moj0rising> OK. I think I have an older java....
[07:37] <moj0rising> the instructions said to use ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so /home/us/.mozilla/plugins
[07:37] <moj0rising> for my version.
[07:38] <moj0rising> maybe I need to upgrade for better success.
[07:39] <moj0rising> java version "1.4.2_05"
[07:39] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: try umounting, and remounting, but put the -o umask before the device
[07:39] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've tried even without umask
[07:39] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: same thing
[07:39] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/big
[07:40] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: same thing
[07:41] <moj0rising> is there an easy way to remove the version I have and put the current one in?
[07:41] <moj0rising> or upgrade?
[07:41] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i would suspect something wrong with the kernel, but in warty i had the same problem, and that was another kernel
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> can someone find "wineesd.drv" for me ?
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> plz
[07:41] <ott3r> anyone want to help me figure out how to add a new repository using synaptic?  unstable   [trying to install apachetop ] ?
[07:42] <ott3r> i've read all the wiki
[07:42] <moj0rising> type or paste it into /usr/apt/sources.list.
[07:42] <Panzerboy> ott3r: afaik it is imposible to add a new repo with synaptic, it's only possible to select it or deselect it
[07:42] <Panzerboy> ott3r: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <Panzerboy> and add it there
[07:42] <moj0rising> oops.
[07:42] <moj0rising> it is etc.
[07:42] <Panzerboy> then save, then you can select it with synaptic
[07:42] <ott3r> thanks!
[07:42] <moj0rising> it is very easy to do it w/ the text editor. Try that.
[07:42] <gijosh> For whatever reason, Ubuntu isn't bringing up or dhclient'ing my ethernet card at bootup.  To save me from doing it manually, how can I tell it to do it at bootup?
[07:43] <Panzerboy> better yet, do a sudo apt-get update first
[07:43] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: so you can mount the ntfs partition, but copying gives you i/o errors?
[07:43] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: yup
[07:45] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: hmmm. Strange. I would have guessed problems if you tried to write to the ntfs, but you're writing to a reiser...
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> anyone know how to get esd support for wine ?
[07:45] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've NEVER tried to write to ntfs from linux :)
[07:47] <dc17> is anyone using WPA with hoary?  I have WPA working, but the configuration is a little clunky
[07:47] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: Perhaps you can try putting it in your fstab, but other than that I'm out.
[07:49] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: thanks a lot, i'll try to find out if other people had the same problem
[07:49] <snowblink_> ott3r: Settings->Repos->New
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> hey, why do system sounds not sound on ALSA as input and output ?
[07:50] <moj0rising> I'm heading out. Thanks for the help!
[07:58] <yohannes> has anyone successfully run dvd shrink with wine? mine does but could not detect my drive. any suggestions?
[07:58] <helio7> I'm trying to get samba working via the instructions on the unofficial guide (http://ubuntuguide.org/#installsamba) but I'm not succeeding... what goes in the smbusers file?           your_system_username = "your network username" or do I replace both or one of those with my username/
[07:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: well, strange thing
[07:59] <JDahl> helio7, did you create a user with smbpasswd?
[07:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it appears that the type of partition is not NTFS, but SFS
[07:59] <helio7> JDahl I just used my regular username
[07:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've done a sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[08:00] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: actually it is a dynamic volume
[08:01] <JDahl> helio7, you need to add a samba user account with sudo smbpasswd -a, smbpasswd -e, I think. Then it should work without fiddling with /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:01] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: ah - that would explain a few things
[08:01] <helio7> ok thanks JDahl
[08:02] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it seems there is something wrond with the id of the partition
[08:02] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've just read this, that sometimes NTFS reports wrongly the type as SFS
[08:02] <helio7> yohannes I don't have an answer for your question, but an alternate idea I read about here for backup dvd processing http://www.wombatnation.com/2005/01/backing-up-dvds
[08:03] <jesuel> linux and my laptop do not get along ..:(
[08:04] <yohannes> thanks > helio7
[08:05] <K-Rich> greets... quiet in here eh?
[08:06] <jesuel> yup
[08:07] <ninjalight> hello all
[08:09] <ott3r> panzerboy, thanks, editing the sources.list worked
[08:09] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it seems i have to use some LDM thing
[08:09] <ott3r> how would i get apachetop from here:   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/apachetop
[08:09] <ott3r> or would i get it from somewhere else?
[08:09] <MrStupid> hi there :)
[08:10] <K-Rich> hi
[08:10] <ott3r> hey
[08:10] <ott3r> welcome to the lost and found
[08:10] <MrStupid> doing my first steps with ubuntu... :-)
[08:10] <MrStupid> and of course i've screwed up my partition table with parted. :->
[08:10] <K-Rich> congrats :)
[08:11] <MrStupid> this nice 2.6-parted-fat32-resize-bug... i thought it was fixed.
[08:11] <MrStupid> *sigh*
[08:12] <MrStupid> i should have used partition magic :-/
[08:12] <K-Rich> ott3r: http://clueful.shagged.org/apachetop/
[08:12] <K-Rich> ott3r: actually, apachetop is in universe
[08:13] <ott3r> and universe is gettable with synaptic...
[08:14] <K-Rich> yeah if you enable it
[08:15] <ott3r> just did     lets see what happens...
[08:15] <ott3r> downloading files....
[08:15] <K-Rich> i never use synaptic so if you need help with it i can't :/
[08:16] <ott3r> how do you install single things like apachetop from the tarball?
[08:17] <K-Rich> compile them
[08:17] <JDahl> ott3r, why wouldnt you use the Ubuntu package?
[08:17] <snowblink_> ott3r: checkinstall works for me
[08:18] <ott3r> is apachetop in the ubuntu package?
[08:18] <JDahl> didnt you just say it's in universe?
[08:18] <K-Rich> yeah i just checked... it's in universe
[08:18] <ott3r> i didn't have universe checked
[08:18] <ott3r> now i do
[08:19] <snowblink_> Does anyone know if tomcat is available in the repos? I can't seem to find it.
[08:21] <K-Rich> snowblink_: i dont see it
[08:23] <JDahl> I didnt know Ubuntu (or Debian) packaged linux-gazette... that's neat!
[08:24] <snowblink_> K-Rich: thanks. Will have to do it the old fashioned way
[08:25] <K-Rich> JDahl: yeah, can get them all at once too and subscribe 'apt-cache search lg-issue'
[08:26] <JDahl> K-Rich, already install lg-all
[08:26] <K-Rich> :) i've never read one yet heh
[08:28] <jesuel> oh my god, screw this laptop
[08:28] <jesuel> im getting a new laptop
[08:28] <jacquesmerde> jesuel, i feel the exact same way, but i cant afford a new laptop!
[08:29] <jesuel> This thing is a pos
[08:29] <jesuel> I mean they just pieced it together.
[08:29] <jesuel> grr
[08:29] <snowblink_> jesuel: any luck at http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[08:30] <jacquesmerde> i think you'll find most computers are pieced together
[08:30] <ninjalight> lol jacquesmerde
[08:30] <ninjalight> too true
[08:31] <jesuel> So now to find a laptop that is, centrino+good nvidia graphics...
[08:31] <jesuel> hrm
[08:32] <jesuel> And no weird hardware
[08:32] <K-Rich> jesuel: you can toss me your old one, i don't mind :P
[08:32] <jesuel> heh
[08:32] <jesuel> think ill sell this one
[08:33] <jacquesmerde> thanks for the link snowblink_, maybe i can rescue MY old laptop (but i doubt it)
[08:34] <MrStupid> does anyone know a free fat32-partition-resize tool, that works? (NOT parted)
[08:34] <jacquesmerde> if computers werent just pieced together, like they were all fused into one piece, it would make them a LOT harder to upgrade
[08:34] <jacquesmerde> parted is overkill with fat32, yeah? i'd only bring out parted for ntfs
[08:34] <K-Rich> jacquesmerde: it would make them macs :)
[08:35] <MrStupid> jacquesmerde, parted killed my partition table this morning :-(
[08:35] <MrStupid> due to a kernel 2.6 bug...
[08:35] <glyph> hey, new ATI drivers are out that fix my DVI port - does anyone know when the next release of restricted modules for hoary is coming out?
[08:36] <jacquesmerde> isnt resizing fat32 trivial compared to ntfs? thats why whenever i install xp, i chose the fat32 file system. never had to resize it though
[08:36] <jacquesmerde> anyone know how to "downgrade" packages from a newer to an older version?
[08:36] <MrStupid> jacquesmerde, i /have/ to resize because my toshiba-recovery-xp-cd uses the full disc space. :-/
[08:36] <hypatia> glyph: I find filing a bug against it is the fastest choice. A lot of them get marked hoary+1 atm though :(
[08:37] <hypatia> glyph: "fastest way to find out", I mean.
[08:37] <heist> anyone know where to find "c header files" to match the running kernel?
[08:38] <glyph> hypatia: I think I already filed a bug
[08:38] <glyph> hypatia: Should I file a new bug for "ATI driver upgrade"?
[08:38] <hypatia> glyph: well, I filed one for "please do a moinmoin upgrade"
[08:38] <jacquesmerde> MrStupid, have you "unkilled" your partition table yet?
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> where ARE partition tables kept anyway? mbr? first sector of the first partition?
[08:39] <K-Rich> heist: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers-xxxxxx
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> where ARE partition tables kept anyway? mbr? first sector of the first partition?
[08:39] <hypatia> glyph: it's probably a good idea just to get it on their radar.
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> anyone know how to "downgrade" packages from a newer to an older version?
[08:40] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: there are quite a few ways as long as you've got the old version of the package around.
[08:40] <hypatia> if you don't and it's been deleted from upstream's archives... it's harder :)
[08:40] <K-Rich> heist: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:41] <oDysseas> after first reboot grub hangs at "Loading grub stage 1.5 please wait.." what am I doing wrong?
[08:41] <jacquesmerde> hypatia....and if i don't? not even aptitude backs that shit up for you does it...
[08:41] <heist> i'd put linux-kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-386 then?
[08:41] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: apt and aptitude both store old package files in /var/cache/apt/archives depending on your configuration.
[08:42] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: at the moment I think the default is to store them so you're in luck (and will probably find that that directory is *huge*)
[08:42] <K-Rich> jacquesmerde: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:42] <jacquesmerde> hypatia, so i should have the old package around? a dist-upgrade / upgrade barfed my sound, and i'm trying to roll back, installing what was removed, and removing what was installed is trivial, but the upgrades....how do i do it?
[08:43] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: well, you're looking for a file in that directory with the right name and an old version number.
[08:43] <hypatia> If you don't know the package name and want to roll back an entire system upgrade... well, that's nearly impossible.
[08:44] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: but if you do, you find the right name and number among the files in that dir, and run "sudo dpkg -i <pkgnames>"
[08:45] <jacquesmerde> hypatia, K-rich, i looked into /var/cache/apt/archives, only the packages i have upgraded TO not FROM seem to be there...
[08:46] <heist> ohh, i found it in synaptic
[08:46] <hypatia> if that's true and the packages are no longer available upstream then you pretty much can't downgrade (except by finding someone else who happens to have a copy)
[08:47] <heist> it's linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-5
[08:47] <heist> ;]  thanks K-Rich
[08:47] <K-Rich> np
[08:48] <jacquesmerde> hypatia, ok. say i reinstall from scratch, and THEN bring my system back up to this point, is there a way i can get aptitude to log the packages it upgrades FROM? because i use aptitiude i have a complete list of what i have to rollback
[08:49] <hypatia> not that I'm aware of, if you run dpkg --list at any point you get a complete list of current versions, so you could use that.
[08:50] <heist> what do you guys use for irc clients?
[08:50] <jacquesmerde> hmm...btw, since aptitude records every package change, and then i rollback each specific package, should that COMPLETELY undo the aptitude action? or is there little shit like conf files and scripts and stuff it can also change...
[08:50] <jacquesmerde> heist, assembler
[08:52] <jacquesmerde> Cadillac? pfft, i drive fred's car from the flintstones
[08:54] <gijosh> How do you change the pw you need for sudo?
[08:55] <jacquesmerde> gijosh, sudo passwd root
[08:55] <gijosh> I thought that created a root acount?
[08:55] <rattboi> gijosh, you change your own password
[08:56] <rattboi> sudo only works for users in the sudoers list
[08:56] <rattboi> so it's based on user accounts, not passwords
[08:57] <gijosh> If someone was able to break into my user acount, wouldn't they be able to just sudo into root then?
[08:57] <jacquesmerde> hey, is it ubuntu or gnome which puts the terminal in the "system tools" folder? isnt that a bit like how windows put the command prompt in "accessories"?
[08:57] <snowblink_> gijosh: if they have your password, yes.
[08:57] <gijosh> Or should I be using an acount that isn't able to use sudo?
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> hello
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> I have a problem
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> I used Mepis Linux
[08:59] <jacquesmerde> you CAN make the sudo password different to your own, ubuntu just makes them the same at the start by default, just do a sudo passwd root
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> first
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> is there an Ubuntu person here who can help me?
[08:59] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: ?
[09:00] <Notgonnadoit> I have a detailed problem
[09:00] <Notgonnadoit> and I need to know that someone is up before I right it all out
[09:00] <jacquesmerde> snowblink_: sorry. when i give advice it really is the blind leading the blind
[09:00] <snowblink_> Notgonnadoit: perhaps the mailing list or the forums may be a better choice then
[09:01] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: when you sudo, you will be asked for your user password
[09:01] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: ubuntu locks the root password by default
[09:02] <GammaRay> rather.. it does not set it
[09:02] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: if you issue the command sudo passwd (root), then you will set the root password
[09:02] <jacquesmerde> exactly?
[09:03] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: yes, but that will not change the password you use when you type sudo command
[09:03] <K-Rich> if you play a microsoft windows cd backwards it plays satanic messages. That's nothing though, if you play it forward it installs windows
[09:03] <Amaranth> old
[09:03] <K-Rich> but funny
[09:04] <raghu> can any tell me weather any one able to browse mahiti.org
[09:04] <_swab_> works for me
[09:05] <raghu> _swab_ : is it for me
[09:05] <K-Rich> works here as well
[09:05] <_swab_> raghu : yup!
[09:05] <raghu> _swab_: thx dude
[09:06] <raghu> K-Rich: thx
[09:08] <rattboi> array 5?
[09:08] <K-Rich> http://krich.dyndns.org/images/erin/erin_mac2.jpg
[09:08] <rattboi> didn't see that
[09:08] <K-Rich> oops
[09:09] <ompaul> rattboi, yesterday
[09:09] <K-Rich> wrong window
[09:09] <rattboi> ah
[09:09] <ompaul> well the 18th
[09:09] <K-Rich> (my kid at her mac if you clicked)
[09:11] <ompaul> I start a new job monday - I am considering dual (well triple but one of them would never be on :)) boot between ubuntu and debian  - I have not used ubuntu in a production setup yet but it seems to be all the right stuff
[09:13] <ompaul> anyway this is grand, up it came sound and all
[09:13] <K-Rich> ompaul: i used to have an all debian show now i'm all ubuntu.. that's 30 PCs
[09:13] <K-Rich> 24 are a render farm
[09:14] <ompaul> K-Rich, okay, is that blender?
[09:14] <michael_> .
[09:14] <K-Rich> ompaul: blender amongst others
[09:15] <ompaul> K-Rich, okay so I think I try that
[09:15] <ompaul> i.e. guess what gets installed first
[09:15] <yohannes> any1 knows if it is safe to remove previous kernel listing on grub?
[09:16] <yohannes> can i just remove the listing or do i have to uninstall the previous kernel?
[09:16] <ompaul> yohannes, the answer is yes if you never ever ever want to use that kernel again :)
[09:16] <K-Rich> yohannes: usually as long as you have tested the one you intend to keep
[09:16] <yohannes> the latest version is stable so far as to what i am doing
[09:16] <yohannes> do i have to uninstall it or remove it?
[09:17] <yohannes> or i can simply delete it from the grub's menu?
[09:17] <ompaul> yohannes, well to be honest if you have the room leave it just configure grub to do the good thing and default to your new kernel if it is not doing so already
[09:18] <ompaul> yohannes, you never know when it might be handy to track back
[09:18] <yohannes> ompaul > i am actually thinking of keeping it. i agree w/ your suggestion
[09:18] <yohannes> but out of curiosity, how can i delete it should i choose to?
[09:19] <ompaul> yohannes,  apt-get remove file just like any other file
[09:20] <ompaul> yohannes, however from a production pespective leaving well enough alone is usually a good thing
[09:21] <ompaul> and the live cd at that a link on the desktop to a folder that points to partitions that one might mount
[09:21] <ompaul> just to make it easy to get to the ogg collection :)
[09:23] <yohannes> ompaul>thanks
[09:23] <K-Rich> brb
[09:29] <snowblink_> is chkconfig a RH specific command?
[09:30] <ompaul> snowblink_, I think it goes with the rpm based distros - it ain't in in ubuntu afaik
[09:30] <phigan> Hello
[09:30] <ompaul> phigan, hi
[09:31] <phigan> whats the difference between hoary and warty?
[09:31] <ompaul> phigan, hoary is a development line that will be production in april
[09:31] <phigan> any disadvantage in using it?
[09:31] <ompaul> phigan, warty is production today
[09:32] <phigan> hoary, that is. that you know of.
[09:32] <K-Rich> ompaul: 1:30am here :/
[09:32] <ompaul> phigan, it is in a state of flux and stuff can be broken in it and no one should care
[09:32] <phigan> so better to stick with warty?
[09:33] <ompaul> phigan, I suppose if you are new to it all go for warty would be my adivce
[09:33] <K-Rich> phigan: will it be an easy move from warty to hoary come april ?
[09:33] <phigan> i'm not that new, but i'm getting this error, and I don't know what to do about it
[09:33] <phigan> mount: Symbol `sys_siglist' has different size in shared object, onsider re-linking
[09:33] <phigan> with mingetty, and several other apps as well
[09:34] <phigan> i was thinking rebuilding glibc would take care of the problem, but I've updated gcc and it seems there are problems building glibc with latest gcc
[09:34] <phigan> heh
[09:34] <ompaul> phigan, well that is the chance you taking as I was pointing to
[09:34] <phigan> oh, that has nothin to do with ubuntu
[09:34] <phigan> that's just whats up with my ibook
[09:35] <phigan> so i was thinking of trying out a distro for once
[09:35] <rattboi> phigan, I tried hoary live cd on my iBook G4
[09:35] <Ronan151> what the best media player for mp3, wma, and ogg?
[09:35] <zenrox> xmms
[09:35] <phigan> rattboi: me too.. it looked pretty but it didn't always function :)
[09:36] <rattboi> phigan, what problems did you have?
[09:36] <Ronan151> is there a plug in for wma's
[09:36] <Ronan151> it only wants to play mp3's
[09:36] <zenrox> dont know got read www.xmms.org
[09:36] <phigan> rattboi: it locked up at least once, and one time it went to sleep and wouldn't wake up
[09:36] <rattboi> huh
[09:36] <rattboi> I had some goofyness with volume, as I remember
[09:36] <rattboi> and sleeping wasn't working
[09:36] <phigan> i was hoping it would have gcc :)
[09:36] <phigan> i don't think it does
[09:36] <rattboi> at least, not by just closing the lid
[09:37] <rattboi> phigan, you mean to program with?
[09:37] <rattboi> apt-get install build-essentials
[09:37] <phigan> rattboi: to rebuild glibc on my harddrive
[09:37] <ompaul> Ronan151, well talk to microsoft about closing their software formats off from the world and annoying you then you might get the idea :) - check google for a package called essentials
[09:37] <phigan> rattboi: You can apt-get while booted from the cd?
[09:37] <rattboi> yeah
[09:37] <phigan> nice
[09:38] <jeavis> hello, how I can now what is my processor and speed?
[09:38] <phigan> i will try it , but last time i tried booting off the cd it just sat at a white/gray screen :/
[09:38] <ompaul> jeavis, cd /proc and then cat cpuinfo
[09:38] <rattboi> I installed a bunch of weird stuff last time I ran the live cd
[09:38] <Ronan151> ha
[09:39] <phigan> i hope it boots :)
[09:39] <phigan> be back in a bit
[09:39] <ompaul> jeavis, that work for you?>
[09:41] <jeavis> ompaul: yes
[09:41] <jeavis> and to know my ram?
[09:42] <ompaul> jeavis, the simple way is to run top and read the value Mem
[09:42] <K-Rich> jeavis: free
[09:42] <Cspnico> yop
[09:42] <ompaul> jeavis, you can exist top by typing q
[09:43] <ompaul> jeavis, you can exit top by typing q  [even]
[09:43] <apj_ubuntu> does anyone can use driverloader for WLAN card in ubuntu?
[09:43] <jeavis> ompaul, in /proc I use cat meminfo
[09:44] <Mr_Milenko> heh.. im back.. with another problem
[09:44] <ompaul> okay I type 3 letters you type 11 before the enter :0)
[09:45] <Mr_Milenko> o.o
[09:45] <Get> I'm going to buy a wireless network card  to my ubuntu box, any hints of compatible cards?
[09:45] <snowblink_> ompaul: cheers. Just reading the ORA Tomcat book, obviously they assume an RPM system
[09:45] <Cspnico> how do install kernel source on ubuntu?
[09:45] <Mr_Milenko> could someone help me get my damn DCC working in Xchat with a D-Link DL-524 router >:(
[09:45] <ompaul> snowblink_, so you can write to the authors and say you know it is not right for debian this is :-)
[09:46] <Cspnico> the commands apt-get install kernel-source-<IP_ADDRESS> doesn't work?
[09:46] <ompaul> right got ro run
[09:46] <ompaul> have a good morning
[09:46] <Ronan151> has anyone used play fair??
[09:49] <will> ubuntu crashes completely when i try and download a torrent! whats going on__
[09:49] <will> ?
[09:50] <K-Rich> echo -e "`hostname`\n`uname` `uname -r`\n[09:53] <snowblink_> K-Rich: gdesklets or gnome-applets can also show info. They are shinier too. ;)
[09:55] <K-Rich> snowblink_: as well as gkrellm :P
[09:55] <K-Rich> snowblink_: but that command uses less resources :)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> gkrellm is useful for mounting and keeping track of disc space etc - and has useful buttons for various things
[10:00] <subterrific> anyone familiar with making debian packages?
[10:01] <subterrific> i've got an interesting issue with a package i'm trying to make
[10:02] <snowblink_> subterrific's nick makes me hungry...
[10:06] <maximaus> hmmm. insight needed. I've got only one pci port and two isa's (two unused usb's as well). Network card is taking up the pci port and it doesn't seem possible to get an isa sound card to work...any suggestions on a soundcard solution? There's an unrecognized on-board sound chip as well...
[10:07] <maximaus> LOL, of course this is with Ubuntu-Warty. :D
[10:09] <zenrox> maximaus,  do you know what the onboard sound card is??
[10:10] <maximaus> I wish. I'm on vacation at the relative's and have no printed guide.
[10:10] <maximaus> It's an old IBM Aptiva box.
[10:11] <zenrox> oh
[10:11] <zenrox> do you rember the model nuber if the aptiva
[10:11] <maximaus> They're happy enough though--they gave the box up for dead with an infested 98 drive. LOL
[10:11] <zenrox> if you do go to ibms webpage and get the vital info
[10:11] <maximaus> Ubuntu seems pretty swish for them even without sound. :P
[10:11] <Aegir> I remember the last Aptiva I had
[10:12] <zenrox> me too
[10:12] <Alquimista> Anyone can tell me if Ubuntu has a tool/method of configuring a) second ethernet card b) internet connection sharing on it (dhcp server & ip masquerade)?
[10:12] <Aegir> Bad memories...
[10:12] <zenrox> Aegir,  me too mwave that should send chills down your spine
[10:12] <Alquimista> [other than dooing it old style by vi-ing config files]
[10:12] <Aegir> 'Twas an Aptiva E series, running 95 first eddition
[10:12] <maximaus> Yarrr, I'll wander over to the IBM site and try to grab some info.
[10:12] <Aegir> Was reformatted twice a week
[10:12] <zenrox> 95 osr2 on my sys
[10:13] <zenrox> and it had usb too
[10:13] <zenrox> flakey at best tho
[10:13] <Aegir> Oh yeah
[10:13] <Aegir> Aptivas were very crumbly
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: the firestarter firewall app does NAT (IP masquerade) - it's trivially easy to set up: one click really
[10:13] <maximaus> The best thing I can say about this one is yeah--it's got USB, it's quiet, and actually runs Ubuntu better than win98 on a 300mhz chip.
[10:14] <Aegir> Was my first computer and I was about 8 years old
[10:14] <Lathiat> is there a network install cd for hoary?
[10:14] <zenrox> lol
[10:14] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: hi there Oz :-)
[10:14] <zenrox> i gave mine up for dead and 7 years old and broke it with a sleg when i got a new sys
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: hi :)
[10:15] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: yep, but the first step should be to install the ethernet, yep? now, I can edit startup scripts etc. but is there a tool for that I should rather use?
[10:15] <Ronan151> can someone help me, im trying to install digikam and everytime i compile it, it just says error, cant find x includes
[10:15] <Aegir> I've come far with PC's since that Aptiva
[10:15] <zenrox> aegir can i pick you brain about getting that work on my sys then
[10:15] <maximaus> me too, I've got an Emachines now dammit!!!
[10:15] <maximaus> :P
[10:15] <zenrox> dual screens
[10:15] <raghu>  any one crontab specialist?
[10:15] <Aegir> I used the ATI drivers
[10:16] <zenrox> nvidia here
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: frankly I don't know - I have a very simple home network with dialup and I set up nfs etc by editing config files
[10:16] <zenrox> Aegir,  also 2 seprate vid cards
[10:16] <Aegir> Just plugged my seccond screen into the video cards DVI port with a VGA to DVI converter
[10:16] <Aegir> No idea how to do it without using one card and ATI drivers
[10:16] <zenrox> ok no prob then
[10:16] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: thats my point sadly :(
[10:17] <zenrox> both vid cards are nvidia
[10:17] <zenrox> s
[10:17] <Aegir> I spent all day just trying to get the blasted ATI drivers working =(
[10:17] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: I can do that too but it is supposed to be for end users...
[10:17] <zenrox> lol
[10:17] <snowblink_> raghu: not specialist. Just ask your question.
[10:17] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: but you know what? I found something...
[10:17] <Aegir> (I had to reformat after trying to use Synaptic to update to Hoary via the repositories, it didnt work :/)
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: I haven't used it, but some people like webmin
[10:18] <raghu> snowblink_: /home/plone2/zope/arc /home/plone2/zope/var && mv /home/plone2/zope/*.tgz  /root/bak-var
[10:18] <maximaus> Aegir: eek, I think this box is staying warty then.
[10:18] <Aegir> Heheh
[10:18] <raghu> snowblink_: arc is script
[10:19] <wdh> thoreauputic, i never liked it much.. it doesnt help your understanding of what happens either..
[10:19] <Aegir> I ran into issues with Python and the GIMP
[10:19] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: but is it out of the box on Ubuntu?
[10:19] <snowblink_> raghu: why && and not ; ?
[10:19] <zenrox> i upgraded to hoary no probm then i am a bit of a power user
[10:19] <thoreauputic> wdh: I gather it overwrites things as well?
[10:19] <Aegir> They smegged up with conflicts then the whole PC went down
[10:19] <Aegir> So I started fresh with Hoary
[10:19] <Aegir> Works well
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: no, you'd have to apt-get install it
[10:19] <zenrox> Aegir,  dont it tho
[10:20] <wdh> thoreauputic, i dont know.. i always used webmin if i did not know what to configure :P
[10:20] <zenrox> even with polypaudio
[10:20] <maximaus> This box is just an internet access terminal w openoffice, so warty should work well for at least the next year I hope.
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: probably in the universe repo - I'll check, hang on
[10:20] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: no need to...
[10:20] <raghu> snowblink_: arc is script to backup small folder ...it will put in some other folder so i want it to move to my sqpecified folder
[10:20] <Aegir> Heheh, Im pretty new at Ubuntu, I liked it so much I reformatted my dual-booting laptop and PC and stuf Ubuntu on them
[10:21] <zenrox> ya the ubuntu virus striks agine
[10:21] <zenrox> lol
[10:21] <Alquimista> Speaking of Open Office - does anyone know if there are debs for OO 1.1.4 somewhere out there already?
[10:21] <zenrox> ubuntu took over 2 boxes on my network
[10:21] <zenrox> trying to convice the last windows user on my network to switch
[10:21] <Aegir> The only PC I have with Windows is a p100 laptop with Win3.1
[10:21] <wdh> Alquimista, for OOo2 at least :P preview releases that is
[10:21] <maximaus> speaking of with F-Secure is offering linux virus protection for ONLY 80usd per year!!!
[10:21] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: my point is using what is provided in the install
[10:21] <zenrox> i ditched win 7 years ago
[10:21] <Aegir> :D
[10:21] <snowblink_> raghu: is this root's crontab?
[10:22] <grolours> hello, I am new to Ubuntu. I tried to install Warty on my SATA HD. The intall freeze when grub-install is launched. Can someone explain what happen ?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: well, apt-cache policy says it's in universe repo, for what it's worth
[10:22] <subterrific> Alquimista: OOo 1.1.4 is in Hoary
[10:22] <Alquimista> wdh: wouldnt use it yet
[10:22] <Alquimista> sub: last I checked, two days ago, it was 1.1.3
[10:22] <Aegir> Moomoomoo. I need a drink...
[10:22] <subterrific> anyone here with experience making debian packages?
[10:22] <raghu> snowblink_: yes
[10:22] <vi11e> does anyone know why my menus in certain programs are fetched to very big resolution.. I have no way of seeing the text in those menus, but the actual programs are normal size.. for example xmms and mplayer
[10:22] <wdh> Alquimista, seems quite stable/usable..
[10:22] <jmob> subterrific: in what manner? what do you want to do?
[10:23] <raghu> snowblink_: i can put the command i pasted in one script and call through command no?
[10:23] <subterrific> Alquimista: yer right, i'm seeing things
[10:23] <snowblink_> raghu: yes you can do that
[10:23] <thoreauputic> subterrific: only with `checkinstall` - I guess that doesn't count ;)
[10:23] <snowblink_> raghu: what problem were you having?
[10:23] <jmob> subterrific: I've use checkinstall to just provide a gross wrapper around things I wanted to be able to yank out with dpkg
[10:23] <maximaus> subterrific: for what it's worth, I often use alien to install rpms if I can't find a .deb. Non mission critical stuff of course.
[10:23] <Alquimista> wdh: what are the most important changes?
[10:23] <subterrific> jmob: i'm learning how to make packages, i've made 4 today, but i've run across an issue i can't solve now
[10:24] <jmob> subterrific: ah, okay, I'm no help then
[10:24] <subterrific> :(
[10:24] <Alquimista> subterrific: I cant help you but it is great you do, making packages is fun and useful for others :)
[10:25] <snowblink_> subterrific: why don't you tell us the issue? Maybe someone will know...
[10:26] <subterrific> well i'm packaging the teamspeak2 server and i want it to run as user daemon group daemon, but it needs write access to /etc/tss2
[10:26] <subterrific> i can't figure out how to have the package create /etc/tss2 and set the permissions, group, and owner
[10:27] <subterrific> i see a few other directories in /etc/ that have owners other than root, so i'm looking at those packages now
[10:31] <snowblink_> subterrific: have you tried #debian?
[10:31] <subterrific> nope
[10:31] <snowblink_> subterrific: I'm guessing some folks on there would know
[10:32] <subterrific> yeah, i just figured out how the courier-imap package is doing it...looks ugly. i'm guessing there isn't a good solution to this problem yet
[10:32] <Echylo> does any one has experience with photoshop CS & Ubuntu
[10:32] <Echylo> and is there a way to get it working,
[10:33] <Aegir> Not to my knowledge,
[10:34] <Aegir> The OS checker on the Photoshop install spits out WINE
[10:34] <helio7> gosh it's late my brains not working what's the untar syntax anyone?
[10:34] <Echylo> maybe cross over office?
[10:34] <Echylo> or cedega?
[10:34] <Aegir> Hmmm, Not sure
[10:34] <helio7> tar -x blah.tar /new/path?
[10:34] <snowblink_> Echylo: I'm not sure if codeweavers have full CS support yet.
[10:34] <Aegir> You can try them, but I cant make any guarentees
[10:34] <thor|away> helio7: tar xvzf <file>
[10:34] <lifeless> helio7: tar xf blah.tar
[10:34] <helio7> thanks
[10:34] <Echylo> hmm
[10:35] <Aegir> You may want to wait for the linux version of Photoshop Adobe are working on
[10:35] <Echylo> ow?
[10:35] <snowblink_> Aegir: they are?
[10:35] <Aegir> Pity is that they have finished the public beta
[10:35] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - can someone please remind me, what is the gnome printer config (gui) tool called?
[10:35] <Lathiat> adobe photoshop runs fine under crossover
[10:35] <Echylo> CS?
[10:35] <helio7> err to untar is what i meant
[10:35] <Aegir> Yeah, my sister is a Windows noob, but she's very good with Photoshop, but she went to the Adobe site and saw the news of Linux PS, and she told me
[10:36] <snowblink_> helio7: tar xvf file
[10:36] <Echylo> yay
[10:36] <Neil3> cool!
[10:36] <Aegir> I doubt that she was BS'ing
[10:36] <Neil3> linux ps
[10:36] <Neil3> :)
[10:36] <Echylo> and is the gimp a good alternative?
[10:36] <Aegir> The GIMP is brilliant
[10:36] <Aegir> I prefer PS though
[10:36] <Echylo> uhu
[10:37] <tolstoy_> when i start my theme preference panel, the pix of the themes have big question marks on them. is there something I can do to fix that?
[10:37] <thor|away> tolstoy_: sometimes they take a while to load
[10:38] <thor|away> tolstoy_: I see the same here but it clears in a second or two
[10:38] <tolstoy_> i haven't seen 'em in months
[10:39] <Sirius_Black> sorry for this repeat but can someone please have a look and remind me, what is the gnome printer config (gui) tool called?  It should be on your ubuntu gnome desktop (i think) - i have somehow managed to lose mine :-(
[10:39] <aspro> The linux beta from adobe was acrobat reader
[10:39] <Aegir> Was it? Darn
[10:39] <aspro> aye
[10:39] <Aegir> I heard that they were working on both'
[10:39] <Aegir> Ahwell
[10:39] <maximaus> Sirius_Black: have a look under computer-system configuration...
[10:39] <aspro> if it was photoshop, it would have been plastered everywhere :)
[10:39] <Aegir> Wine still runs pretty well
[10:39] <Aegir> Yeah
[10:40] <Aegir> I'll go slap my sister for getting my hopes up :D
[10:40] <lifeless> sirius - desktop-admin-printers
[10:40] <Echylo> yea
[10:40] <aspro> gimp vs photoshop flamewars will never die :P
[10:40] <Echylo> give her a slap from me too
[10:40] <Echylo> :p
[10:40] <Sirius_Black> maximaus: can you please just tell me what is the package called - my menus are all messed up
[10:40] <Aegir> =)
[10:41] <Aegir> Well, Wine take aprox 1hr on my box to do a 'make'
[10:41] <snowblink_> Echylo: you can run PS7 on crossover
[10:41] <Aegir> You can run PS7 under normal Wine
[10:41] <Lathiat> why make wine, just install the package
[10:41] <arnau_> Hello. I've installed ubuntu warthy? If I install ubuntu hoary now, somebody can tell me if it is  sufficiently stable?
[10:41] <tolstoy_> gnome-cups-manager?
[10:42] <Aegir> I make Wine to get better performance
[10:42] <Aegir> Not so much performance though
[10:42] <zenrox> arnau_,  what do you consider sufficiently stable
[10:42] <aspro> arnau_ i havent come across any showstoppers yet, not that I am a power user
[10:42] <aspro> :P
[10:42] <Aegir> I have one old game called Transport Tycoon thats VERY picky when it comes to Wine
[10:42] <zenrox> no show stopers here either but i am a power user
[10:43] <tolstoy_> once in a while the kernel is out of sync with available nvidia drivers.
[10:43] <Aegir> It spits out the latest two snapshots
[10:43] <Aegir> And acts eraticly under most package installs
[10:43] <Echylo> hmm
[10:43] <Echylo> I just downed CS
[10:43] <Echylo> now I need 7? :( :p
[10:43] <Aegir> Well, their may be a way to run CS
[10:43] <spiral> hi
[10:43] <Aegir> Google it =D
[10:44] <arnau_> zenrox_: I consider sufficently stable if I can run kde without problem and I have not problems of dependency.
[10:44] <aspro> Echylo, you should look on the codeweavers site, they might have something in the works?
[10:44] <zenrox> arnau_, then hoary ant for you then
[10:44] <Echylo> k aspro I'll check it ou
[10:44] <tolstoy_> Sirius_Black, gnome-cups-manager
[10:45] <arnau_> zenrox_: do you use hoary?
[10:45] <zenrox> arnau_, yep
[10:45] <arnau_> zenrox_: do you use kde?
[10:45] <zenrox> nope
[10:45] <spiral> Riddell: thank you !!!! ;-)
[10:45] <arnau_> zenrox_: what do you use? gnome?
[10:46] <zenrox> yep
[10:46] <Aegir> I use Hoary and Gnome
[10:46] <zenrox> gnome all the way
[10:46] <Aegir> Considering Windowmaker and Xfce though
[10:46] <zenrox> xfce is kewl
[10:46] <zenrox> and eay to install
[10:46] <arnau_> I like kde. Somebody can tell me if hoary works well with kde?
[10:46] <Aegir> Well, there are packages for it
[10:47] <Aegir> My friend broke Warty installing KDE though =D
[10:47] <zenrox> i have some of the kde stuff installed for k3b
[10:47] <k31th> morning all
[10:47] <rattboi> KDE has the better apps, but worse desktop environment
[10:47] <zenrox> evening
[10:48] <zenrox> rattboi,  i agree
[10:48] <Aegir> Yeah, I liken KDE to tinfoil, Cheap, natty, and far too shiny
[10:48] <zenrox> lol
[10:48] <zenrox> Aegir, make shure you add IMHO
[10:48] <k31th> humm iv got this issue this dvr card will only work properly in windows o im thinking about running windows on anouther box  and running linux as my main  box only rebooting to windows for halflife2
[10:48] <rattboi> but at least it doesn't give you cancer
[10:49] <spacey_ki> you sure?:)
[10:49] <Aegir> zenrox: Lol, yeah
[10:49] <Echylo> photoshop CS : known not to work
[10:49] <Echylo> codeweavers :(
[10:49] <zenrox> yep but it can run ps 7.0
[10:49] <zenrox> lol
[10:49] <k31th> i hate windows i fucking hate it i dont want to have to run it for a dvr card grrrr
[10:49] <Aegir> Yeah, must be because Crossover has more stuff to fool the OS detectors
[10:50] <zenrox> but that ant a free program either
[10:50] <Aegir> Yeah
[10:50] <zenrox> but it does work
[10:50] <zenrox> for some program
[10:50] <zenrox> s
[10:50] <Aegir> I've heard good things about Crossover
[10:50] <zenrox> i use it
[10:50] <Aegir> I prefer standard Wine though
[10:51] <tolstoy_> Anyone know what generates the gnome-theme thumbnails, and how I can re-invoke it?  dpkg-reconfigure capplets?
[10:51] <zenrox> gui install is nice in it
[10:51] <Aegir> December 2004 build being my fav
[10:51] <zenrox> thats the ver with dx9 in it
[10:51] <Aegir> Not sure
[10:51] <Aegir> It works well though
[10:52] <Aegir> Runs my quirky old win95 games well
[10:52] <zenrox> tho this is the first linux wine as worked with out any probs
[10:52] <Aegir> Runs JK3 and Quake3 well too
[10:52] <zenrox> qhy not run quake3 nativly
[10:52] <Lathiat> why would you run quake3 under wine ;p
[10:52] <zenrox> why
[10:52] <Aegir> Except the ATI drivers make it not much fun
[10:52] <Lathiat> zenrox: :)
[10:52] <Aegir> I was bored
[10:52] <Aegir> =D
[10:52] <zenrox> lol
[10:52] <Lathiat> haha
[10:53] <zenrox> classic linux user
[10:53] <Aegir> :D
[10:53] <zenrox> "i was boared"
[10:53] <Aegir> Rofl
[10:53] <zenrox> lol
[10:54] <k31th> 'this ati 9500 has no linux driver which means no dual monitors :(
[10:54] <zenrox> its amaziing what we do to linux and it keeps ticken like a switch watch
[10:54] <Aegir> =(
[10:54] <Aegir> Poor k31th
[10:54] <k31th> :(
[10:54] <k31th> sucks
[10:54] <k31th> 'i want duals
[10:54] <Aegir> Want the link to the guide I used to install?  What do you guys think: if an ISA sound card doesn't work, surely an ISA network card should be equally ignored? Should I even think about a usb soundcard?
[10:55] <zenrox> Aegir,  you mean firefox
[10:56] <zenrox> maximaus,  not true
[10:56] <Lathiat> maximaus: if the isa sound card doesnt work odds are the io/dma/irq settings are wrong
[10:56] <Aegir> Whatever =P
[10:56] <Lathiat> maximaus: which is perfectly fixable
[10:56] <k31th> Aegir /msg me it im going to dig out other monitor from loft
[10:56] <zenrox> maximaus,  networkcards are all generly supported
[10:56] <maximaus> oooh, tell me more
[10:56] <Aegir> Righto
[10:56] <k31th> Aegir that kool ?
[10:56] <k31th> bb in 10
[10:56] <Aegir> Sure
[10:57] <maximaus> I've got a SB compatible card in my ISA slot, but lsmod shows nuttin'
[10:57] <Lathiat> maximaus: it helpds to identify what brand/chipset/blah the cards are
[10:57] <zenrox> maximaus,  you also might have to run a isasetup for yourd cound card
[10:57] <Lathiat> maximaus: isa stuff isnt automatically detected
[10:57] <netmonk> 3
[10:57] <Lathiat> you'll want to 'modprobe sb' and see if it works then
[10:57] <zenrox> 3 what netmonk
[10:57] <maximaus> brb
[10:57] <Lathiat> you may then need to fiddle with settings such as io, irq and dma
[10:57] <Lathiat> you could try io=0x220 irq=5, works on many setups
[10:57] <netmonk> sorry, this was for the service channel
[10:57] <zenrox> lol
[10:58] <zenrox> what was the isa sound card setup for mdk
[10:58] <maximaus> Lathiat: scuse me for being a knuckledragger, but would those be bios or Ubuntu settings?
[10:58] <Lathiat> yeh you can install that i think
[10:58] <zenrox> ubuntu has that as well
[10:58] <Lathiat> maximaus: in ubuntu
[10:58] <Lathiat> maximaus: run modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5
[10:58] <Lathiat> for example
[10:58] <Lathiat> but its best to try 'modprobe sb' to see if it can figure it out for itself
[10:59] <Lathiat> if not, try those settings, if not i can give you a script which will try most usual combinations
[10:59] <Lathiat> maximaus: Alternatively, if your BIOS lists what the setting sare
[10:59] <Lathiat> maximaus: you can copy them down, and then specify what it said they were
[10:59] <maximaus> modeprobe sb as root gives nothing, is that a good thing? LOL
[10:59] <Lathiat> possibly
[11:00] <Lathiat> type dmesg
[11:00] <Lathiat> see what it says
[11:00] <maximaus> a whole lot, let me parse it...
[11:00] <Lathiat> just look at the last few lines
[11:00] <Lathiat> should say something abotu the sb driver
[11:00] <maximaus> sb: PnP: Found Card Named = "ESS ES1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive", Card PnP id = ESS1869, Device PnP id = ESS1869
[11:00] <Lathiat> and if it found a card
[11:00] <Lathiat> there you go, it found it :)
[11:00] <maximaus> YAY!!
[11:01] <zenrox> lol
[11:01] <Lathiat> you could try play something then see if it works
[11:01] <zenrox> do a simpole system sound
[11:01] <Lathiat> you'll also want to run 'echo sb >> /etc/modules' as root
[11:01] <Lathiat> maximaus: if your stuck for something to test it with, 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' will produce horrible white noise out your speakers :)
[11:01] <maximaus> oh lala!
[11:02] <maximaus> well, I've got to find a power outlet for these speakers first. I'll return in a few.
[11:02] <Lathiat> ok
[11:02] <zenrox> lol
[11:02] <maximaus> You've made my grey day Lathiat.
[11:03] <Lathiat> maximaus: when your done with that I should be able to help you with that network card and usb sound too
[11:03] <OldHenry> hi folks :)
[11:03] <Aegir> 'llo
[11:03] <zenrox> helo
[11:03] <OldHenry> just installed ubuntu.. works great...
[11:03] <zenrox> another covert
[11:03] <maximaus> oh, the network works great, and the usb was in case the isa didn't work. brb.
[11:03] <zenrox> hide
[11:03] <Lathiat> maximaus: Unfortunately, old ISA hardware did not have much in the way of auto-detection, etc
[11:03] <maximaus> plug and pray
[11:03] <maximaus> I know
[11:03] <Lathiat> maximaus: ah cool :))
[11:03] <Lathiat> yes, plug and pray :)
[11:03] <maximaus> LOL
[11:03] <splatch_> hi everybody
[11:03] <Lathiat> pray *really* hard :)
[11:04] <splatch_> where can i find a sources.list file for hoary ?
[11:04] <Echylo> yeaaa
[11:04] <zenrox> lol just not the the porclen god
[11:04] <Echylo> I beated four in a row level three
[11:04] <Echylo> :D
[11:04] <Lathiat> splatch_: simply change all references of warty to hoary in your sources.list
[11:04] <zenrox> yep what hea said
[11:04] <Echylo> can it be that upgrade is broken?
[11:04] <Echylo> cause it dodn't worked with me
[11:04] <Echylo> can't say error
[11:04] <Echylo> I'll check it again this afternoon
[11:04] <zenrox> Echylo,  whats the error
[11:05] <Echylo> he just stopped when setting up packages
[11:05] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone tried OOo2.0-devel in hoary ?
[11:05] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: yeh at one point
[11:05] <zenrox> da_bon_bon, net yet
[11:05] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: why is the splash sooooo unprofessional ?! :P
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: k
[11:06] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: its called a development version for a reason :)
[11:06] <Echylo> :D
[11:06] <Lathiat> splash screens are usually done just before release :)
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: ah, i see. but still, the 1.1 slashed out 2~!!
[11:06] <Lathiat> man i need a faster internet connection
[11:06] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: i thought it was cute myself :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: there's a command switch to disable the splash if you hate it :)
[11:07] <Lathiat> 3 hours to wait till i get the latest hoary-install daily build, blah
[11:07] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: whats it ?
[11:07] <zenrox> installing OOo2.0
[11:07] <zenrox> 1.5 mins
[11:08] <thoreauputic> hmm - I forget - try typing ooffice -help to see ?
[11:09] <Lathiat> maximaus: haha :)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> or man oofice
[11:09] <thoreauputic> *ooffice
[11:09] <maximaus> Good grief, thanks Lathiat, I'm only 47 percent dork and couldn't handle that meself.
[11:10] <maximaus> LOL
[11:10] <ajmitch> Lathiat: 3 hours is nothing :)
[11:10] <Aegir> Ahh, finally, my quirky old Win95 game is running again
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: far too much :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: are you speaking at LCA this year?
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nope, not even sure if I'm coming yet (hoping to win the RDP)
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: might do a presentation at gnome.conf.au on avahi
[11:11] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:12] <ajmitch> I'm not likely to be there
[11:12] <ajmitch> but I'll certainly be at the next one
[11:12] <Lathiat> in new zealand? :)
[11:12] <Lathiat> man thats going to suck, expensive :(
[11:12] <ajmitch> it's only 10min walk for me :)
[11:12] <Lathiat> hahaha
[11:12] <zenrox> lol
[11:12] <Lathiat> i might have a job by then so might actually have some money ;p
[11:12] <Lathiat> but its alot of money
[11:13] <Lathiat> :(
[11:13] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:13] <Lathiat> worth it tho
[11:13] <ajmitch> you're in perth?
[11:13] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:13] <Lathiat> i was lucky enough to have the conference pay for me last year, and the year before it was in perth and i was an org so that was easy
[11:14] <ajmitch> I'm in Dunedin, so it'd probably cost only slightly more for me to get to canberra than it would for you :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> indeed
[11:14] <Aegir> Darn, theres only one feature of Win Explorer that I liked and want in GNOME, Show files in groups
[11:14] <ajmitch> I was in adelaide, even attended the ipv6 miniconf :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> so you an organiser for 06?
[11:14] <ajmitch> maximaus: well done :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: cool :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> no ipv6 mini conf this year
[11:14] <ajmitch> nope, I'm not helping out yet
[11:15] <Lathiat> conference felt it wasn't close enough to the aims of the conference, or something
[11:15] <abi_> hi
[11:15] <Aegir> Hello
[11:15] <ajmitch> I'd love to be at the security miniconf
[11:15] <maximaus> 'lo
[11:15] <Lathiat> wouldnt mind peeking at the audio either
[11:16] <Lathiat> and security for that matter ;p
[11:16] <ajmitch> too many good things
[11:16] <abi_> i need help, i've changed on ide my cdrom and my cd writer, now i can't write cd's. what conf do i need to modify?
[11:16] <lifeless> Lathiat: you gotta come, and drag adrian along
[11:17] <Lathiat> which adrian?
[11:17] <lifeless> chadd
[11:17] <Lathiat> ah
[11:17] <Lathiat> and who are these scary people who seem to know who i am? :)
[11:17] <Aegir> lol]
[11:17] <lifeless> I'm robert collins ... who you know
[11:18] <Lathiat> at lca03 i had this guy wander into the computer club and proclaim 'I know you -- your from debian and ipv6', and i had no idea who the hell he was :) was a most interesting experience.
[11:18] <kreiger> mm
[11:18] <kreiger> how do i find a specific file?
[11:18] <lifeless> lol
[11:18] <snowblink_> kreiger: locate filename
[11:18] <kreiger> in console?
[11:18] <Lathiat> altho i dont really have much to do with debian
[11:18] <kreiger> or nautilus?
[11:18] <Aegir> abi_: What apps do you use to burn? I know a few have to be configured at startup, and should have a prefferences menu
[11:18] <Lathiat> no sure were he go that idea
[11:18] <snowblink_> kreiger: cli
[11:18] <Lathiat> i just run it
[11:18] <lifeless> lavigj: well I met you @ lca04, talking ipv6 stuff
[11:18] <Lathiat> although i've moved to ubuntu now on my desktops
[11:18] <kreiger> cli?
[11:19] <snowblink_> kreiger: Command Line Interface, Terminal, Console, TTY
[11:19] <thoreauputic> kreiger: command line interface
[11:19] <abi_> Aegir: first app that fails is cdrecord to erase a cd-rw disc
[11:19] <snowblink_> kreiger: whatever you want to call it. ;)
[11:19] <kreiger> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[11:19] <snowblink_> kreiger: fresh install?
[11:19] <kreiger> yes
[11:19] <k31th> updatedb
[11:20] <thoreauputic> kreiger: run sudo updatedb
[11:20] <snowblink_> kreiger: sudo updatedb
[11:20] <Aegir> abi_: Not sure I can help you, try going through any man page or docu you can find, it should say what its config is
[11:20] <kreiger> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[11:20] <thoreauputic> sudo updatedb
[11:20] <snowblink_> kreiger: don't worry about that one
[11:20] <snowblink_> kreiger: only happens the first time
[11:20] <kreiger> hm
[11:21] <kreiger> so now just let it run?
[11:21] <snowblink_> kreiger: yes
[11:21] <kreiger> k.
[11:21] <abi_> Aegir, the problem is that the record programs now try to record in the cd reader
[11:21] <kreiger> i GUESS it's doing something
[11:21] <snowblink_> kreiger: then locate filename
[11:21] <thoreauputic> kreiger: yes, then try locate again
[11:21] <kreiger> i don't see it doing something
[11:21] <kreiger> ahh k
[11:21] <kreiger> danke
[11:21] <thoreauputic> kreiger: silence is golden
[11:21] <thoreauputic> takes a while
[11:21] <Aegir> abi_: Yeah, thats outta my depth, sorry mate, cant help you.
[11:21] <kreiger> found it
[11:21] <kreiger> thanks guys
[11:22] <abi_> Aegir, thanks anyway
[11:22] <Aegir> abi_: No problem
[11:24] <thoreauputic> abi_: you can point the cd burn program at the new devices - probably /dev/hdc has become hdd and vice-versa, or somthing similar
[11:24] <abi_> thoreauputic, ok. do you know how can i do that for cdrecord?
[11:25] <photoguy41> how do i set GTK_CONFIG?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> abi_: no, sorry - but you can scan for it - something like cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus ( I might have that wrong - needs checking )
[11:27] <abi_> thoreauputic, i'll try
[11:27] <abi_> thoreauputic, tnks
[11:28] <thoreauputic> abi_: that seems to give a result here like 2, 2, 2 with a bunch of other rubbish...
[11:29] <abi_> thoreauputic, yes, and i get the scsi locations of my cd-rom and cd-rw
[11:29] <thoreauputic> abi_: check where your /dev/cdrom link points as well -  ls -l /dev/cdrom
[11:29] <thoreauputic> you probably need to change that link
[11:30] <abi_> thoreauputic, /dev/cdrom must point to cd reader or to cd writer?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> eg from /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc or whatever
[11:30] <siimo> does linux support PCI express
[11:31] <thoreauputic> abi_: points to the reader here
[11:31] <thoreauputic> in my case /dev/hdd
[11:31] <abi_> thoreauputic, well, now is pointing to writer, how do i change it?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> delete the link and make a new one
[11:32] <thoreauputic> # rm /dev/cdrom && ln -s /dev/hd*  /dev/cdrom
[11:32] <thoreauputic> something like that
[11:33] <scizzo> you can change the preferences for the cdrom stuff a lot in the controls from GNOME also
[11:34] <scizzo> you can also change that in /etc/fstab
[11:34] <abi_> thoreauputic, have changed /dev/cdrom now points to reader
[11:34] <thoreauputic> scizzo: good point
[11:34] <siimo> i am asking as im planning to buy a GeForce 6600 256MB PCI Express  will it work with ubuntu
[11:35] <thoreauputic> abi_: scizzo is right - you can edit /etc/fstab
[11:35] <abi_> scizzo, but in fstab the two drives have identicar lines
[11:35] <scizzo> abi_: well they should use different devices
[11:35] <thoreauputic> abi_: they shouldn't - needs fixing
[11:35] <scizzo> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:35] <scizzo> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:35] <scizzo> as a example
[11:36] <abi_> scizzo, yes, I mean all line is identicar but /media/cdrom?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> abi_: those are the mount points
[11:36] <scizzo> abi_: well that is the main source of the mountpoints for the devices I guess
[11:36] <thoreauputic> abi_: they need to be different, obviously :)
[11:36] <kreiger> Hm, anybody know a good filemanager besides nautilus?
[11:37] <abi_> scizzo, will it work if I swap cdrom0 for cdrom1?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> kreiger: rox filer
[11:37] <kreiger> OR a way to keep nautilus in one window?
[11:37] <kreiger> preferably with two panes
[11:37] <scizzo> abi_: change the device order in fstab
[11:37] <thoreauputic> kreiger: it's a pain, isn't it?
[11:37] <kreiger> yes.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> kreiger: middle click wil do it
[11:37] <kreiger> i'm too lazy to middleclick
[11:38] <abi_> now I have: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:38] <abi_> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:38] <thoreauputic> kreiger: but I recommend rox
[11:38] <iPal> hello?
[11:38] <scizzo> iPal: hi
[11:38] <kreiger> danke, thoreauputic.
[11:39] <scizzo> abi_: change hdc to hdb and change hdb to hdc then
[11:39] <iPal> are any of you free for a couple of minutes?
[11:39] <scizzo> abi_: save the file...put a data CD in and mount /media/cdrom0
[11:39] <scizzo> or something
[11:39] <thoreauputic> kreiger: no worries :)
[11:39] <scizzo> iPal: don't ask to ask...just ask
[11:40] <iPal> ok, i'm having trouble installing ubuntu on an iBook
[11:40] <iPal> an old iBook G3
[11:40] <abi_> scizzo, ok i will try this thinks, thanks
[11:40] <abi_> thoreauputic, thanks
[11:40] <iPal> The CD mounts on Mac OS 9
[11:40] <thoreauputic> abi_: no problem :)
[11:40] <iPal> and the installer starts up when i use the 'c' key
[11:40] <iPal> the installation procedure loads
[11:41] <iPal> language, keyboard etc fine
[11:41] <iPal> then, it says it cant mount the cd
[11:41] <scizzo> abi_: if you want to see if cdrecord finds the devices then run: cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[11:41] <thoreauputic> scizzo: I told him that one already ;)
[11:41] <abi_> scizzo, yes, i've tried it before
[11:41] <scizzo> ok
[11:41] <scizzo> sorry
[11:41] <scizzo> :P
[11:41] <abi_> :)
[11:41] <thoreauputic> scizzo: ;-)
[11:42] <abi_> thanks both
[11:42] <scizzo> iPal: hmmm...you get what error msg?
[11:42] <iPal> it says it cant mount the cd
[11:42] <abi_> bye
[11:42] <iPal> it is asking me to insert the cd and then click continue
[11:42] <iPal> or OK
[11:42] <scizzo> iPal: I had problems mounting/reading a CD that I burned to hard....I used a speed the CD was not happy to burn...
[11:43] <iPal> oh, maybe i should try 4x?
[11:43] <iPal> or 2x?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> hey
[11:43] <iPal> another weird thing, when i mounted the iso image using toast, it showed up as two cds, but when i burnt it and then loaded it on the cd rom, it only came up as one
[11:44] <kreiger> mm
[11:44] <kreiger> toast
[11:44] <kreiger> i want toast
[11:44] <scizzo> iPal: did you try to use x8?
[11:44] <iPal> actually, 16x
[11:44] <kreiger> apt-get pizza
[11:44] <kreiger> apt-get soda
[11:44] <kreiger> win!
[11:44] <k31th> apt-get install sodamizer
[11:44] <jeavis> hello
[11:44] <scizzo> iPal: try to burn one with 8x
[11:44] <kreiger> ...
[11:44] <scizzo> iPal: might help
[11:44] <jeavis> I have a problem with php
[11:45] <kreiger> hey, here's a question boys
[11:45] <iPal> or maybe something slower? i really dont mind
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: 8x should be ok
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: depends on the CD
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: before you burn though...look if the md5sum is correct
[11:45] <iPal> ok
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: you can get the md5sum stuff on the site
[11:45] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: you still here?
[11:45] <jeavis> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4  FTP: NOT FOUND
[11:46] <scizzo> iPal: hmmm...maybe there is a bug report about this
[11:46] <iPal> oh?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> jeavis: it's in main - is your sources.list correct?
[11:47] <iPal> if the disk loads and i can see the file, the md5sum must be ok right?
[11:47] <scizzo> give me a few secs
[11:48] <netmonk> how can I format a partition in ubuntu? there is no grafical paritioner, right?
[11:48] <Panzerboy> netmonk: sudo apt-get install gparted
[11:48] <Panzerboy> netmonk: gnome frontend to parted
[11:48] <Panzerboy> i dont't know though in which repo is it
[11:48] <subterrific> yay
[11:49] <subterrific> got the teamspeak2 server packaged
[11:49] <subterrific> figured out that permissions issue
[11:49] <Panzerboy> subterrific: i have no clue what is that, but good for you :)
[11:49] <subterrific> :)
[11:49] <netmonk> Panzerboy, thanks
[11:49] <subterrific> http://goteamspeak.com
[11:50] <Panzerboy> subterrific: voip stuff
[11:50] <Panzerboy> i'm using skype
[11:50] <Panzerboy> mainly because all my friends use it
[11:50] <iPal> and because skype is really good...?
[11:50] <Panzerboy> iPal: yeah, that too :)
[11:51] <iPal> :-)
[11:51] <Panzerboy> it's ok
[11:51] <iPal> anything better out there?
[11:51] <Panzerboy> i have no idea
[11:51] <scizzo> iPal: can't find a report about this....
[11:51] <Panzerboy> i'm not that deep into voip
[11:51] <iPal> scizzo, thanks
[11:52] <subterrific> teamspeak is used by gamers mostly
[11:52] <Panzerboy> i've heard asterisk is good, but it has some problems with NAT
[11:52] <scizzo> iPal: if you find something that is wrong...look at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <iPal> ok
[11:52] <jeavis> thoreauputic: I do that
[11:52] <Panzerboy> let's see what will be broken afterwards :)
[11:52] <subterrific> asterisk is a full PBX, not really practical for casual use
[11:53] <scizzo> iPal: I tried to install ubuntu on a i386 machine when I burned the CD to fast and it stuck AFAIK at the same place as you....
[11:53] <iPal> oh, so i'll try the lowest speed then
[11:53] <scizzo> iPal: just try with 4x or 8x I used 8x and it worked fine
[11:54] <iPal> ok, and is the 2 cd image thing a problem?
[11:54] <Panzerboy> do you know any dc++ client that uses gtk2 ?
[11:54] <scizzo> iPal: that I don't know
[11:54] <scizzo> iPal: was it a loop you mounted it as?
[11:54] <iPal> a loop?
[11:54] <iPal> i dont understant
[11:54] <scizzo> iPal: does this happen if you try to mount some other iso?
[11:55] <iPal> 2 cd images? no
[11:55] <scizzo> iPal: hmmm...
[11:55] <Panzerboy> iPal: what is the problem ?
[11:55] <scizzo> iPal: I have no answer for that....sorry
[11:55] <iPal> when i open the iso in toast
[11:55] <iPal> and click the mount button
[11:55] <iPal> it shows up as 2 virtual cds
[11:55] <iPal> but when i burn it to a disc, it is only one
[11:56] <iPal> and, the installer says it cant read the cd after it has started up from it
[11:56] <iPal> anyways, i'll try burning the disc at 4x
[11:56] <iPal> thanks guys!
[11:57] <drasko> Could not access ALSA device "default", check its permissions... Where to do this?
[12:00] <drasko> Could not access ALSA device "default", check its permissions... Where to do this
[12:00] <bascule> chmod 1666 /dev/snd/*
[12:01] <KonvIRC> Hi guys, I have an old notebook and thought to install deb, does anybody know if you can install ubuntu via modem, as in deb?
[12:03] <kirkt> hey all im trying to install array 5, but it says it can't find and mount a cdrom
[12:03] <kirkt> (it runs from the cdrom... doh!!)
[12:03] <kirkt> any insights ?
[12:04] <Aegir> There's an array 5?
[12:04] <kirkt> yes
[12:04] <_4strO> what is array 5 ?
[12:04] <kirkt> huh
[12:05] <kirkt> hoary..
[12:05] <_4strO> mmm
[12:06] <_4strO> kirkt> array 5 is another name for hoary ?
[12:06] <kirkt> anyone knows why ubuntu BOOTS from cd but then doesn't detect it ?
[12:06] <kirkt> Development Release: Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Array 5
[12:06] <kirkt> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[12:07] <Tomcat_> kirkt: My experience is that you need to reinsert CDs after boot so the automounter will see it.
[12:07] <_4strO> kirkt> thx :)
[12:07] <_4strO> strange system :p
[12:07] <kirkt> doesnt work Tomcat_
[12:08] <kirkt> man this sux.. i didn't know ubuntu was so hard to install
[12:08] <_4strO> kirkt> while installation ?
[12:08] <lifeless> when I boot with 2.6.11-1-686, I get a hang on login to gnome
[12:08] <lifeless> anoyone else seen thing ?
[12:09] <_4strO> dont have this kernel
[12:09] <_4strO> :/
[12:09] <spiral> lifeless: under hoary ?
[12:09] <lifeless> yah
[12:10] <spiral> lifeless: I'm still with a 2.6.10... didn't even know 2.6.11 was out
[12:11] <spiral> lifeless: on kernel.org, they still say 2.6.10...
[12:11] <lifeless> robertc@lifelesslap:~$ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.11-1-686
[12:11] <lifeless> Package: linux-image-2.6.11-1-686
[12:11] <lifeless> Priority: optional
[12:11] <lifeless> Section: universe/base
[12:11] <lifeless> Installed-Size: 48196
[12:11] <lifeless> Maintainer: Fabio M. Di Nitto<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:11] <lifeless> Architecture: i386
[12:11] <lifeless> Source: linux-source-2.6.11
[12:11] <lifeless> Version: 2.6.11-0.2
[12:11] <lifeless> Provides: linux-image, linux-image-2.6
[12:12] <spiral> lifeless: I know... but I'm quite astonished it isn't annouced on kernel.org... Maybe isn't it a release ?
[12:12] <spiral> whatever, it doesn't come with linux-restricted-modules, so I can't use it for now...
[12:13] <scizzo> spiral: its a development version I guess
[12:13] <scizzo> spiral: otherwise it would have replaced the 2.6.10 by now
[12:13] <gotcha> I'm looking for help with NDISWRAPPER
[12:13] <gotcha> who may know
[12:13] <spiral> scizzo: I suppose so
[12:14] <scizzo> spiral: all the versions on the sites are release candidates so
[12:14] <markuman_> i've problems to compile wine on my 64bit kernel
[12:14] <markuman_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot creat e executables
[12:15] <markuman_> gcc and libc6 are installed
[12:15] <lifeless> ah bug 6475
[12:15] <thoreauputic> markuman_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:16] <thoreauputic> markuman_: that should fix the error
[12:16] <markuman_> thoreauputic, i have done this already
[12:16] <markuman_> the same mistake
[12:17] <scizzo> markuman_: new version of wine?
[12:17] <scizzo> gcc-4.0
[12:17] <scizzo> try that one
[12:17] <markuman_> yes wine-20050211
[12:17] <scizzo> markuman_: have you looked at the versions that is need to compile it?
[12:18] <scizzo> markuman_: should be in the README or INSTALL
[12:18] <markuman_> ok
[12:18] <scizzo> you should read them before doing anything
[12:19] <thoreauputic> heh ... funny how often people ignore the big README signs ... ;-)
[12:20] <anthonws> hi
[12:20] <scizzo> thoreauputic: that is why we also list: http://www.gimp.org/source/#requirements and such on the GIMP website
[12:20] <scizzo> thoreauputic: there is info....but many people ignore it....
[12:20] <thoreauputic> scizzo: you're involved with gimp development?
[12:21] <Aegir> Thats it, Im removing brightside...
[12:21] <scizzo> thoreauputic: document and website yes...
[12:21] <thoreauputic> scizzo: awesome program , thanks for your work :)
[12:22] <kirkt> can anyone explain me how would ubuntu not detect a cdrom it boots from in the install ??
[12:22] <Aegir> Thanks scizzo, great work
[12:23] <scizzo> thoreauputic: tell that to the main developers....I am just trying to help with information
[12:23] <thoreauputic> scizzo: well, that's just as important !
[12:23] <markuman_> it still doesn't work
[12:24] <markuman_> to compile win
[12:24] <markuman_> e
[12:24] <scizzo> thoreauputic: hehe
[12:24] <markuman_> on 64bit
[12:24] <markuman_> everytime the same mistake
[12:24] <thoreauputic> markuman_: I think there's a #winehq or something...
[12:24] <scizzo> Aegir: :)
[12:25] <anthonws> has anyone succeded to have 3d with a ati 7000 igp?
[12:25] <markuman_> ok
[12:26] <Aegir> IGP is a pain in the behind, just to warn you
[12:27] <Aegir> I have a mobility 9000 IGP in my laptp
[12:27] <Aegir> (But I get 700fps in glxgears as apposed to my 1200 in glxgears on my 9600pro desktop, darn ati drivers)
[12:29] <anthonws> ok. just dont understand why it is taking so lon for us to have a nice driver..... snif...
[12:29] <subterrific> markuman_: wine doesn't compile natively on amd64
[12:29] <anthonws> i'm getting 360 frames
[12:29] <robertj> heya all, is the openoffice.org2 database component going to be packaged any time soon?
[12:29] <flosch> hi
[12:30] <subterrific> markuman_: you have to run a 32bit binary. pretty much all windows apps are 32bit since 64bit windows hasn't been released
[12:30] <markuman_> subterrific, damn
[12:30] <markuman_> subterrific, is it impossible to compile it on 64bit?
[12:31] <subterrific> 03:29 < subterrific> markuman_: wine doesn't compile natively on amd64
[12:31] <subterrific> markuman_: i'm using cedega on my amd64 to run Half-Life2, CS:Source, etc...
[12:32] <subterrific> markuman_: it works great
[12:33] <Cspnico> hi
[12:33] <Aegir> Ahh, and I was so darn good at Jedi Academy...
[12:33] <Aegir> Hello
[12:33] <markuman_> subterrific, how did you manage to get cedega running?
[12:33] <Cspnico> someone have the compilate wllan driver for kernel 2.6.8-1-3-386
[12:34] <Cspnico> someone have the compilate wlan driver for kernel 2.6.8-1-3-386?
[12:34] <freddy> Hi! I have problems with installing a java RE I added multiverse to sources.apt but I still can't apt-get sun-jre1.5debian
[12:35] <scizzo> freddy: I don't think it is included there
[12:35] <scizzo> freddy: apt-cache search jre or something
[12:36] <freddy> scizzo: but when i do a apt-cache search it will find me the package
[12:36] <scizzo> search for available packages
[12:36] <freddy> i did ;)
[12:36] <scizzo> aaa
[12:36] <scizzo> hmmm
[12:36] <subterrific> markuman_: there is a thread in the forums where i posted how i did it, let me find it
[12:36] <scizzo> it says no such package or something?
[12:37] <freddy> it says it can't be installed thats all. Hold on I reproduce the error
[12:37] <freddy> un-j2re1.5debian: Vereisten: sun-j2re1.5 maar het is niet installeerbaar
[12:37] <freddy> sorry it's dutch
[12:37] <freddy> but it tells the package aint installable
[12:38] <[m0rph] > hi
[12:38] <freddy> i already apt-getted jre
[12:38] <freddy> but i still have no java
[12:38] <snowblink_> Firefox automatically preloads the next page - is there anyway to disable this? (Safari books being crap)
[12:38] <drasko> how to add myself in a audiogroup?
[12:38] <[m0rph] > i've installed hoary and some gnome programs are not in my language de_DE.UTF8
[12:38] <freddy> adduser user audio
[12:39] <markuman_> subterrific, ok
[12:39] <anthonws> Aegir, so there is nothing to do about this? we will just have to wait?
[12:39] <Aegir> anthonws, about what?
[12:39] <freddy> same goes for the video group in wich you like to add yourself (trust me)
[12:39] <drasko> freddy, wher to check what users are in this group?
[12:39] <anthonws> Aegir, i'm sorry. about the ati drivers
[12:40] <Aegir> anthonws, well, that depends entirly on how ATI go about things
[12:40] <freddy> drasko: I use a frontend for that. Kuser
[12:40] <Aegir> Word has it that they have doubled the manpower on their linux driver team, so maybe things might get better
[12:40] <Echylo> how do you change default applications?
[12:40] <Echylo> cause I want to open mp3's with xmms
[12:40] <thoreauputic> drasko: typing ` groups` will tell you what groups you are in
[12:41] <anthonws> Aegir, that would be wonderfull!
[12:41] <Echylo> and with properties of a mp3 it doesn't work
[12:41] <drasko> freddy, and in the command line? Thanks for all the answers...
[12:41] <Aegir> anthonws, Indeed it would
[12:41] <drasko> thoreauputic, tnx
[12:41] <freddy> drasko: dunno, never did it by the command line, try man adduser
[12:41] <subterrific> markuman_: this is kind of hackish, but read this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11404&page=1&pp=10
[12:41] <anthonws> Aegir, until then.. i'm not going to be able to play wormux...... buaaaaa
[12:42] <Aegir> anthonws, a good place for gossip regarding the Linux drivers is rage3d.com, a lot of the actual ATI devs hang around there
[12:42] <anthonws> Aegir, thanks! i'm going to check it out
[12:42] <echylo_> how you change default applications??
[12:42] <echylo_> I want to open mp3's with XMMS
[12:42] <echylo_> instead of totem
[12:43] <echylo_> and some1 kick echylo
[12:43] <drasko> thoreauputic, I just added myself from root console to audio group and when I write groups in my terminal it just says : drasko... Nothing else.. what file to check to see ?
[12:43] <markuman_> subterrific, ok, thx
[12:43] <thoreauputic> echylo_: in nautilus, right click on a file, choose properties
[12:43] <Aegir> Whoah, 8.10.19! New drivers! Woot!
[12:43] <echylo_> that didn't worked
[12:43] <echylo_> I can't remove totem
[12:43] <echylo_> not even as root
[12:43] <bascule> drasko: I think you will have to log out and back in
[12:43] <tolstoy_> do you guys know where the thumbnails in gnome-theme-manager are stored?  I can't seem to get them to show up in the applet.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> drasko: you need to logout and in for it to take effect
[12:44] <drasko> ok thanks everybody
[12:44] <thoreauputic> echylo_:  works fine here - you aren't looking very hard I think
[12:44] <echylo_> I did
[12:44] <echylo_> man
[12:45] <anthonws> Aegir, in what section is that?
[12:45] <echylo_> right click
[12:45] <echylo_> properties
[12:45] <echylo_> open with
[12:45] <echylo_> xmms is the first in line
[12:45] <Aegir> http://rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=88
[12:45] <echylo_> but I can't remove totem neither music player
[12:45] <thoreauputic> echylo_: why do you need to?
[12:45] <larsrohdin> how can i play dvds with mplayer? i have downloaded the dvd-playback plugin...
[12:45] <echylo_> beacuse it doesn't opens xmms as default
[12:45] <thoreauputic> echylo_: the one you mark will be the default
[12:46] <echylo_> hey
[12:46] <freddy> gotta go!
[12:46] <freddy> Later!
[12:46] <echylo_> you don't listen :| I said it always opens it with totem
[12:46] <echylo_> even if I select xmms
[12:47] <thoreauputic> echylo_: well, I don't know then - it works that way here
[12:48] <oficina> hello
[12:48] <anthonws> Aegir, those drivers dont fit or the igp chip, right?
[12:49] <Aegir> anthonws, Not sure
[12:49] <Aegir> I didnt have any luck with a *mobility* radeon igp
[12:49] <echylo_> it aint working here thoreauputic
[12:49] <echylo_> otherwise I wouldn't ask
[12:50] <Aegir> It is supposed to support ordinary IGP though I think
[12:50] <anthonws> Aegir, i'm not going to risk that... thanks anyway
[12:50] <anthonws> got to go. thanks and stay well
[12:50] <Aegir> anthonws, No problem
[12:51] <edulix> how to enterin gnome menus via nautilus?
[12:51] <Aegir> Yeah, peace
[12:51] <thoreauputic> Echylo: hmm - OK, can't help then
[12:51] <Echylo> k thx anyway
[12:51] <thoreauputic> edulix:  nautilus applications:///   (in warty)
[12:51] <larsrohdin> how to play dvds in mplayer? anyone?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> edulix: then right click, add launcher
[12:52] <edulix> oks
[12:52] <thoreauputic> edulix: you can also do it from the menu with right click, whole menu, add launcher
[12:54] <edulix> thoreauutic: but how can I see the "Equipo" (in spanish. maybe machine in english) menu in nautilus?
[12:54] <Echylo> thoreauputic, got it working
[12:55] <Echylo> dunno what the prob was, but the user hadn't the permission to execute it
[12:55] <thoreauputic> Echylo: oh? what did you do?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[12:55] <Echylo> but that won't be the prob
[12:55] <Echylo> I added aplication
[12:55] <Echylo> and refered to /usr/bin/xmms
[12:55] <Echylo> instead of just xmms
[12:56] <Echylo> what I had to do in the first place probably
[12:57] <drasko> I ca't mount cdrom with audio disc in it... With mp3 disc it mounts fine...
[12:58] <Echylo|Study> u use right syntax?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> drasko: you don't mount audio CDs
[12:58] <thoreauputic> drasko: they have no file system to mount
[12:59] <thoreauputic> drasko: you just play them with your player of choice
[01:01] <winkle> Is tomboy crashing for anyone else?
[01:09] <Panzerboy> any idea what's the deal with the linux-sources-2.6.11 kernel?
[01:09] <Panzerboy> is 2.6.11 out?
[01:10] <mz2> should rhythmbox-gstreamer work fine with polypaudio?
[01:11] <fsc> Aegir, don't get your hopes up.  I hope composite gets fast - or even enabled for that matter, on ATI's drivers in the near future
[01:12] <fsc> Aegir, but tell me if you see a miracle ;)
[01:12] <Aegir> Will do
[01:14] <edulix> it's a pitty that composite only works in nvidia and even there is highly unstable
[01:14] <fsc> yep
[01:14] <fsc> i wonder what these new experimental XGl servers will give us
[01:15] <Aegir> Yeah
[01:15] <fsc> i wanna try the Novell one
[01:16] <anTiX> any good app for streaming radio?
[01:16] <fsc> but i need to figure out init scripts so i can just choose one or the other fast
[01:17] <kirkt> can anyone help me with this: im trying hoary.. but the thing won't install any of my hardware (no cdrom, no net..)
[01:17] <kirkt> i've tried hotswapping this and warthy cds
[01:17] <kirkt> but no use
[01:19] <mz2> huh? rhythmbox just randomly works and doesn't work
[01:19] <mz2> if i try selecting a song a few times, it just starts to play it, and most of the time just says that vague cannot pause playback
[01:20] <anTiX> I used winamp for streaming radio but migrating to ubuntu now, is there a good app for it? or which one do you use?
[01:21] <Lathiat> anTiX: rhythmbox works fine
[01:21] <thoreauputic> mz2: unfortunately rhythmbox has issues
[01:21] <mz2> anTiX, rhythmbox works fine
[01:21] <anTiX> ok thanks :)
[01:21] <mz2> thoreauputic, but it worked fine last bootup :)
[01:21] <Panzerboy> any of you guys using muine?
[01:21] <mz2> i had this sort of problems like a year ago last time :)
[01:21] <Lathiat> mz2: check what sound system gstreamer is using
[01:21] <drasko> thoreauputic, yes... ok... that makes sanse... But mp3 sound I do hear, and audio not! What's the problem?
[01:21] <mz2> esd
[01:21] <thoreauputic> mz2: yes, it is a bit temperamental...
[01:21] <Lathiat> positive?
[01:21] <mz2> or rather, polypaudio
[01:21] <mz2> yes
[01:21] <Lathiat> well yeh thats ok
[01:21] <Lathiat> weird
[01:21] <Lathiat> try killing polypaudio
[01:21] <Lathiat> start it again
[01:21] <Lathiat> see what happens
[01:22] <mz2> maybe it just has a bad day
[01:22] <Lathiat> i have issues with it on first start
[01:22] <thoreauputic> drasko: possibly your CD -Rom has no wire to the sound card
[01:22] <Lathiat> if i kill and start it again it works fine
[01:22] <mz2> which is a pity,since i'm having a great day
[01:22] <mz2> Lathiat, thanks, I'll give it a try
[01:22] <thoreauputic> drasko: in that case you will need to use xmms or beep-media-player and enable digital playing
[01:23] <drasko> thoreauputic, you mean like hardware... But it works from Windoze...
[01:23] <Lathiat> drasko: Windows uses 'digital playing' as thoreauputic just described you can do
[01:23] <thoreauputic> drasko: because windows media player uses digital play
[01:23] <drasko> oh..
[01:23] <drasko> that miht be..
[01:23] <drasko> thanks peoplez
[01:23] <Lathiat> i didnt know xmms did that?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: yeah, it's under the prefs for the CD plugin
[01:24] <thoreauputic> from memory
[01:25] <Aegir> I have a complete mind blank, whats the option with dpkg to force an .deb to install?
[01:25] <Aegir> (Equivelent of --force with rpm)
[01:25] <Echylo|Study> which p2p programs do u guys use?
[01:25] <anTiX> rhythmbox works great for streaming! soon I will not have to boot my windoz machine anymore :)
[01:25] <Echylo|Study> cause amule isn't really speedy
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: Ifind the xmms menus unintuitive in the extreme -
[01:26] <rattboi> yeah, they suck
[01:26] <drasko> thoreauputic, but how to open audio with xmms.. It needs files imported in pl... and there are no files, no volume mounted here...
[01:27] <Lathiat> thoreauputic: yeh try beep-media-player
[01:27] <thoreauputic> drasko: you go to /mnt/media and choose a directory
[01:27] <Lathiat> its a fork of xmms
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: I have :)
[01:27] <Lathiat> any better?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: looks beeter and is easier to use
[01:27] <Lathiat> cool
[01:27] <Pinguvin> how do i do this? .. set JAVA_HOME environment variable to /usr/lib/fjsdk (and preferably add /usr/lib/fjsdk/bin at the beginning of your PATH)
[01:28] <kirkt> how can i make the ubuntu install ask me more question regarding the process of the install ?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> drasko: install beep-media-player as Lathiat suggests
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: you can start it in 'expert' mode
[01:28] <Panzerboy> Echylo|Study: i am trying to find a dc client that uses gtk not qt
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: wat questions were you ever specifically?
[01:28] <kirkt> Lathiat i want partman to ask me what kind of layout i want for the partitions
[01:28] <Panzerboy> Echylo|Study: other than that, for the donkey protocol, i only know aMule, xMule and mldonkey
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: thats done by default
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: you just have to use the manual option
[01:29] <Lathiat> kirkt: rather than the 'erase entire disk' option
[01:29] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: export JAVA_HOME /blah/blah/path/to/jsdk ?
[01:29] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: in your .bashrc
[01:30] <kirkt> Lathiat im in the menu now
[01:30] <kirkt> where to go?
[01:30] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: export JAVA_HOME=/blah/blah/path/to/jsdk ?
[01:30] <Panzerboy> sorry :)
[01:30] <Panzerboy> the last one is correct
[01:30] <Pinguvin> Panzerboy, i put that line in .bashrc?
[01:30] <Lathiat> kirkt: im not sure, theres an option when it comes to parttion called 'partition manually' or somethign like that
[01:30] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: yeah, but put the correct path to the jsdk :)
[01:31] <drasko> thoreauputic, with xmms doesn't seem to work. In /media i only see emty folder cdrw, so xmms can not add files to pl...
[01:31] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: like /usr/lib/fjsdk or whatever it is
[01:31] <Pinguvin> Panzerboy, yea im not THAT dumb :P
[01:31] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: sorry :)
[01:31] <Pinguvin> Panzerboy, but thanks
[01:31] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: np
[01:32] <thoreauputic> drasko: it will work - you might need to fiddle - beep-media-player is easier - you just right click and choose "play CD"
[01:32] <drasko> thoreauputic, I'm installing it right now.. thanks...
[01:32] <thoreauputic> drasko: install beep is my advice - also it will use xmms skins
[01:32] <Panzerboy> what about muine?
[01:32] <Panzerboy> :D
[01:33] <Panzerboy> never used it though :)
[01:33] <Panzerboy> but from the screenshots, looks cool
[01:33] <thoreauputic> drasko: it helps if you poit it specifically at your /media/cdrom1 or whatever yours is
[01:33] <thoreauputic> *point
[01:33] <edulix> the best one is amarok ! :P
[01:33] <Panzerboy> edulix: you're right, but you need kde for that one :P
[01:33] <thoreauputic> amarok is indeed excellent
[01:34] <Panzerboy> however, i might add kdelibs and kdebase
[01:34] <Panzerboy> just for k3b
[01:34] <Panzerboy> then maybe i'll install amarok
[01:34] <Panzerboy> for the moment, i need to recompile the kernel
[01:34] <Panzerboy> that's my only hope to be _able_ to play mp3's
[01:34] <Panzerboy> so the player is my last worry for the moment :)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> what package is amarok in? It doesn't have a separate listing
[01:35] <Lathiat> Panzerboy: what does the kernel have to do with mp3s?
[01:35] <Lathiat> thoreauputic: yes it does, its in the universe archive
[01:35] <Panzerboy> Lathiat: well, let me put it this way
[01:35] <Panzerboy> Lathiat: my mp3's are on a dynamic disk
[01:35] <Panzerboy> so i need to compile LDM support in the kernel
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: I have universe enabled in Warty - no amarok
[01:35] <Lathiat> thoreauputic: perhaps its only in hoary then
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: hoary only?
[01:35] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: maybe it's in multiverse
[01:35] <thoreauputic> yep
[01:36] <mxreader> can anyone here tell me how to install some children's games?  I found a site that has a package called gcompris but I have no clue how to install it.
[01:36] <Lathiat> Panzerboy: its not
[01:36] <Lathiat> root@archer:/home/lathiat # apt-cache show amarok
[01:36] <Lathiat> Package: amarok
[01:36] <Lathiat> Priority: optional
[01:36] <Lathiat> Section: universe/kde
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: not in warty
[01:36] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: ok
[01:36] <Panzerboy> Lathiat: what it's not, amarok ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> that's cool - rhythmbox is fine for me
[01:36] <Lathiat> mxreader: gcompris is actually included in the ubuntu archives
[01:36] <Lathiat> mxreader: if you run the synaptic package manager you should be able to install it
[01:37] <mxreader> lathiat i looked in synaptic but cant see it there
[01:37] <Lathiat> mxreader: you may need to enable the universe repository first if you have not
[01:37] <Lathiat> mxreader: www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/ has instructions on how to do that
[01:37] <mxreader> ok i'll go and check it out thanks
[01:38] <drasko> thoreauputic, there is option in add to play list to add CD, but it says: No CD inserted, or inserted CD is not an audio CD.
[01:38] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: lol
[01:39] <thoreauputic> drasko: check in prefs where the CD plugin is pointing
[01:39] <thoreauputic> drasko: I had to correct it from /mnt/cdrom to /medi/cdrom2 or somehing
[01:40] <thoreauputic> */media/
[01:40] <p-fox> does ubuntu support the P4 hyperthreading as an SMP machine?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> drasko: the audioo prefs are under the CD audio plugin
[01:41] <thoreauputic> highlight that and config the preafs for it
[01:42] <thoreauputic> s/preafs/prefs
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Transparency and Drop Shadows are cool looking :D
[01:42] <tolstoy_> if anyone cares: gnome-theme-thumbnailer segfaults if you have nvidia with RenderExcel and in xorg.conf: composite enabled.
[01:43] <mjr> p-fox, it should work on an smp kernel
[01:43] <p-fox> mjr, when i boot the smp kernel, /proc/cpuinfo only shows one cpu though.
[01:44] <kirkt> p-fox you're just greedyu
[01:44] <kirkt> 1 cpu is enough :)
[01:44] <mjr> p-fox, righto, then it isn't working for some reason
[01:45] <p-fox> kirkt, haha. but when i had 2 cpu's in fedora, i could rip a cd in half the time
[01:45] <kirkt> really?
[01:45] <p-fox> because grip would use them both
[01:45] <kirkt> now thats cool
[01:45] <kirkt> then why did yuo leave fedora
[01:45] <p-fox> kirkt, yeah, it would rip with one cpu, and encode with the other
[01:46] <p-fox> kirkt, i want both my machines to have the same os. and i prefered ubuntu over fedora.
[01:46] <kirkt> why?
[01:46] <drasko> thoreauputic, Yes..I've found it all.. works ok now... Thanks for all your patience!
[01:46] <mjr> p-fox, might be an acpi problem, I think hyperthreading virtual cpus are discovered through it
[01:46] <mjr> you don't have it disabled, do you? :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> drasko: great - happy listening :)
[01:46] <p-fox> kirkt, apt runs better on it. the config tools work better. the iso is only 1 cd. the release turn around is quicker. etc etc etc
[01:47] <kirkt> doesnt fedora use rpm?
[01:47] <p-fox> mjr, ok i'll mess around with it
[01:47] <p-fox> kirkt, yeah it does. you can get apt4rpm
[01:47] <kirkt> i see
[01:48] <kirkt> well if to go for rpm i'd go for suse
[01:48] <mjr> p-fox, basically check the kernel options from grub's menu.lst
[01:49] <LinuxJones> Gnome themes are a little wonky in Hoary ?
[01:49] <p-fox> mjr, i've been booting with acpi=noirq, because i cant get past the hotplug process otherwise. but hoary from yesterday booted without it. so i'll have another try in a min
[01:49] <kirkt> whats 'wonky'
[01:49] <LinuxJones> kirkt, messed up
[01:50] <anTiX> hm I think it was a bit tricky to play radioABF for example using Rhythmbox..
[01:52] <anTiX> from their homepage they just got links to m3u/ram/wax and I would need pls?
[01:52] <brk3> lately when i try to run any game powered by sdl i get this: Unable to initialize SDL (No available video device). Anyone know why..?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> anTiX: AFAIK rhythmbox will play m3u with gstreamer0.8-mad installed ( it  does here)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> mp3 streams work fine
[01:54] <thoreauputic> ram needs realplay or helix player
[01:55] <WillCooke> Hi!  Can someone tell me if the kernel source package "linux-source-2.6.10" in Hoary is kernel version 2.6.10-1 2.6.10-2 or 2.6.10-3
[01:56] <aplsin> what program du i have to install to take screengrabs in gnome?
[01:56] <mjr> aplsin, nothing, it's in the computer menu
[01:56] <thoreauputic> WillCooke: in a terminal,  apt-cache search linux-source should tell you
[01:57] <thoreauputic> aplsin: you don't - it's installed by default
[01:57] <aplsin> mjr: aaaah! when i used gentoo i just had to press "print screen" in gnome, but i guess thats just a matter of setting the keybinding :)
[01:58] <kirkt> hotkeys
[01:58] <mjr> aplsin, somehow the print screen button seems a bit tricky for hotkeys, it doesn't seem to reliably work on all systems. Dunno why.
[01:58] <mjr> maybe some weird keymap thing
[01:58] <thoreauputic> mjr: yes, mine doesn't work
[01:59] <aplsin> mjg: aaah..
[01:59] <thoreauputic> mjr: but I just do  ` import -window root screenshot.png ` :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> that command needs imagemagick installed, though
[02:00] <aplsin> mjr: well i use kind of a special keymap, svorak, a Swedish version of dvorak that isn't in Xorg or XFree by default :)
[02:00] <mjr> righto
[02:00] <thoreauputic> aplsin: ah - sounds tricky to set up?
[02:01] <p-fox> is anyone running hoary noticing crackly audio? i upgraded yesterday and it was previously fine
[02:01] <mjr> the weird thing is, when I try to set the hotkey and press "print screen", it registers it just fine; it just doesn't work as a hotkey
[02:01] <mjr> hmm, I wonder have I ever actually reported that
[02:01] <thoreauputic> mjr: I'm in fluxbox at the moment, so I can set any keys I wish in ~/,fluxbox/keys
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:02] <anTiX> thoreauputic, sorry must have forgotten http:// because now it works with m3u!
[02:02] <brk3> lately when i try to run any game powered by sdl i get this: Unable to initialize SDL (No available video device). Anyone know why..?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> mjr: I had the same thing exactly
[02:02] <thoreauputic> anTiX: :)
[02:03] <aplsin> thoreauputic: its a matter of replacing /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/se with a patched version, but i wish XFree was more modular so you could just put unofficial keymaps in a special dir somewhere without changing any of the official keymaps
[02:03] <thoreauputic> aplsin: maybe xorg will rationalise things a bit soon ...
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:04] <aplsin> thoreauputic: now i have to load the keymap with "setxkbmap se -variant svorak" because gnomes keymap changer seems to not have proper support for variants
[02:04] <thoreauputic> aplsin: they seem to be moving in good directions
[02:04] <aplsin> thoreauputic: yeah they do
[02:04] <mjr> nice
[02:06] <Torakiky> re
[02:06] <elTigre> hi! are there developer packages on ubuntu?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> elTigre: yes
[02:07] <thoreauputic> suffix dev
[02:07] <elTigre> well I think about migrating from gentoo... just for a change
[02:07] <thoreauputic> enable universe and multiverse if you do
[02:07] <elTigre> aha
[02:07] <thoreauputic> more repos that way
[02:07] <elTigre> and I also think about trying out the new gnome
[02:08] <christor> Hello, I have a problem if printer under gnome ( I can print from openoffice, I can print form a term using lpr file, but I cant print from mozilaa?
[02:10] <olli__> Hi, is there a way to configure flash under firefox to use esd as sound output? Flash movies are mute at my ubuntu hoary...
[02:10] <no0tic> hi
[02:11] <no0tic> In hoary there's a problem in metacity or nautilus, probably; when I launch Nautilus it appears under the active window
[02:18] <viper12> morning all
[02:18] <kreiger> FUn fun
[02:18] <viper12> does anyone know if NFS has issues with array 5 hoary?
[02:18] <kreiger> i can't boot back into windows
[02:20] <thoreauputic> viper12: check /etc/default/portmap and see if it's enabled to listen beyond <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:20] <thoreauputic> viper12: weird obscure default... on warty I had to comment a line in there
[02:21] <viper12> what's strange is I've already done all that.......mounted a network drive on the client...........(whichi is array5), worked perfect...........until the client was rebooted.  then back to rpc errors again. sigh.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> viper12: I don't know if that's your problem though
[02:21] <anTiX> how do I add an application to the Applications menu?
[02:21] <viper12> I'll double check that on the client though.
[02:22] <thoreauputic> anTiX: on warty, nautilus applications:/// and make a laucher
[02:22] <thoreauputic> on hoary I fon't know
[02:22] <thoreauputic> *don't
[02:22] <usual> that wont work in hoary
[02:22] <thoreauputic> usual: I thought not :/
[02:23] <thoreauputic> I guess you have to use gconf or something equally idiotic?
[02:23] <usual> I am not sure but installing the menu package might add other apps to menu
[02:25] <thoreauputic> the general idea seems to be to make adding to the menu as difficult as humanly possible...
[02:25] <ekko__> hi
[02:25] <usual> using a diff window manager like openbox witht he menu package installed may give you all system installed apps
[02:25] <Akrame> hi ekko__
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> like ?
[02:25] <ekko__> i'm having trouble compiling hostap-source
[02:26] <thoreauputic> usual: I'm already using fluxbox
[02:26] <ekko__> i'm not used to this debian-like kernel compiling
[02:26] <usual> then you have menus of all sys apps
[02:26] <ekko__> they say i need the full source to compile it
[02:26] <ekko__> kernel source ( i'm using 2.6.10 )
[02:27] <anTiX> thoreauputic, thanks! :)
[02:27] <ekko__> i do apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[02:27] <ekko__> then it installs
[02:27] <thoreauputic> anTiX: no worries :)
[02:27] <ekko__> then, after i unpack it
[02:27] <usual> the entire feel of gnome gets much faster when you get rid of metacity
[02:27] <ekko__> i copy my /boot/config* file to /usr/src/linux/.config
[02:28] <ekko__> i try to build the modules
[02:28] <ekko__> but there's files like linux/version.h
[02:28] <ekko__> missing
[02:28] <ekko__> i can't understand
[02:28] <viper12> wel well well.  under etc/default..............the f'in portmap file isn't........there anymore.  wtf???
[02:28] <Akrame> what the fuck ?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> viper12: oops - well maybe the block was removed? I don't know why it was there in the first place, really...
[02:30] <thoreauputic> security I guess
[02:30] <viper12> it was there........before a normal shutdown/restart of the machine...and the <IP_ADDRESS> was commented out.....
[02:30] <viper12> sigh
[02:30] <thoreauputic> it disappeared? weird... :(
[02:31] <viper12> this is the point (after several hours of futzin') when I begin to drool over a certain washington operating system's addding of network drives.  Isn't there a gui for nfs????  I feel so 1985 right now.
[02:31] <viper12> between this and that p.o.s. cups I'm about ready to scream.
[02:31] <thoreauputic> viper12: nfs is - umm - quirky
[02:32] <viper12> any alternative suggestions for mapping one linux's drive to another linux machine inside a lan?  I'm tired and really really tweaked off at this point.
[02:32] <LinuxJones> viper12, did you look @ the nfs howto ?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> viper12: a lot of people seemto use samba now regardless of whether they have windows boxen
[02:33] <viper12> LinuxJ, that's what I used to make SURE I wasn't missing any steps or forgetting anything..........like I said, prior to a NORMAL reboot of the client, it was working perfectly.
[02:33] <viper12> thoreau........just use samba linux-linux box?
[02:33] <viper12> hmmm.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> viper12: I haven't done it but many do, I gather
[02:34] <thoreauputic> I don't se why not
[02:34] <thoreauputic> *see
[02:34] <LinuxJones> viper12, samba is a protocol linux has the server and client utils included
[02:34] <vi11e> do you hear sounds in this clip: http://www.cnufos.com/pages/videos/august11.wmv   I wonder why some audio doesjn't work, for example in this clip
[02:34] <viper12> I know, I know........its just..............after getting it all rockin'.......and then a simple reboot frags the thing on the client.............bah.
[02:34] <viper12> lol
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a gnome based povray gui ?
[02:35] <kirkt> everyone: im happy to announce i've resolved the base system file install/non cdrom detection in hoary and warthy
[02:36] <viper12> I can rpcinfo from the client to the server...ping the server....and vs. vs.  and its all talking.......ahh well, I'm gonna chalk this up to hoary, and try samba next.  I'm about command lined' out.
[02:36] <kirkt> this appeared to be an issue with VMWare 4.0.5, and everything works with 4.5.2
[02:36] <Aegir> Well, no luck installing ATI's new drivers. Guess I'll have to wait for a Hoary package of it
[02:36] <fsc> Aegir, oh really...
[02:36] <fsc> Aegir, did you reuild it for your kernel
[02:36] <Aegir> Well, that was my experiance
[02:37] <Aegir> I did about three different methods
[02:37] <Aegir> I'll wait till an proper Hoary package comes around
[02:37] <fsc> yeah, i'm waiting too
[02:37] <fsc> i doubt this new driver does any thing exceptional anyway
[02:38] <fsc> anybody tried out E17-cvs?
[02:38] <Aegir> So far everyone who has gotten it working has had much more stability and a roughly 33% increase in speed with glxgears and fgl_glxgears
[02:38] <no0tic> Aegir: they exist
[02:38] <Aegir> They do?
[02:38] <viper12> thorea/linuxjones, ty for the moral support at least...........I've just gone over the allow/deny/exports/ and such on the server (which is still running), and its all as it should be.  the portmapper missing on the client (which has full nfs on it as well) is probably the problem here.
[02:38] <no0tic> Aegir: in hoary yes
[02:38] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a gnome based povray gui ?
[02:38] <fsc> 33%?
[02:39] <fsc> that ain't bad
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> no0tic: what exists ?
[02:39] <fsc> i'll still wait
[02:39] <LinuxJones> viper12, heh GL with that :)
[02:39] <no0tic> da_bon_bon: ati fglrx new drivers for xorg in haory
[02:39] <Aegir> The very latest ones? 10.19 somthing?
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> yes.
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> latest.
[02:39] <Aegir> Groovey
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> hoary rocks!
[02:40] <viper12> sigh.  I know red-hat has an NFS gui.........is there anything comparable on our side of the fence, or is our "user-friendly" ubuntu sticking us with arcane command lines ??
[02:40] <Aegir> I should do an apt-get update then
[02:40] <fsc> when did the new ati fglrx drivers get into xorg hoary?
[02:40] <fsc> today?
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> no.
[02:40] <no0tic> fsc: the exact day they were released...
[02:40] <Aegir> Well, I just reformatted and installed the latest drivers today
[02:41] <fsc> what version is it?
[02:41] <Aegir> Gimme a sec, I'll check
[02:41] <no0tic> Aegir: xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:41] <Aegir> 8.8.25
[02:42] <Aegir> Latest is 8.20.19
[02:42] <Aegir> *8.10.19
[02:42] <fsc> i have 8.8.25
[02:42] <Aegir> Same
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a gnome based povray gui ?
[02:43] <no0tic> Aegir: uh, sorry, I didn't noticed
[02:43] <Aegir> I tried the various methods for installing ATI's rpm, but they all fell apart at the end
[02:43] <no0tic> Aegir: what are the changes?
[02:43] <Aegir> Speed, stability, Composite is in I think
[02:43] <fsc> Aegir, no way! they got composite in?
[02:43] <Aegir> Not sure
[02:43] <fsc> but you heard something?
[02:44] <Aegir> I think that I read it somwhere, I cold be wrong
[02:44] <fsc> hmm..
[02:44] <Aegir> What is composite anyways?
[02:44] <fsc> Aegir, transparency and shadows
[02:44] <Aegir> Ahh
[02:44] <fsc> i think
[02:44] <no0tic> Aegir: they still corrupt standby & hibernate?
[02:44] <fsc> i just tried it for the first time the other night with the radeon drivers and it was painfully slow.  the ati drivers seemed to have it disabled by default
[02:45] <Aegir> Not sure
[02:45] <rapha> Hi all
[02:45] <drasko>  how to downgrade a version of some package,  ie. php4?
[02:45] <SiRrUs> rapha hello
[02:46] <Aegir> Im going to read some forums about the new drivers on ubuntu, Ill share any results I find
[02:46] <ArdieM> ive got a lil prob with xmms:
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> shoot
[02:47] <fsc> Aegir, yeah, i think i'll do the same.
[02:47] <lcdd> ubuntu's package management tools are speaking swedish even though the locale is set to finnish. why is this?
[02:47] <SiRrUs> ArdieM and the problem would be ?
[02:47] <fsc> lcdd, torvalds?:)
[02:47] <ArdieM> when i open another window  and xmms get into background and then click on xmms(on task bar) again it only shows the playlist on top and the main windows stays background... thats really annoying, you know what i mean ?
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> yes
[02:47] <rapha> I still got no sound with the latest Hoary. The mixer shows some very unlikely things, and only the way from line in to speakers seems to work. No DSP at all.
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> it happens for me too
[02:48] <SiRrUs> set it to remain on the top
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> and it happens on all debians, ArdieM