[00:02] <adam___> Hi when i run sudo apt-get update  I get a huge list of failed to fetch
[00:03] <adam___> anybody
[00:07] <adam___> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/InRelease
[00:08] <minimec> adam___: First guess... You internet connection was lost. If you were able to do the Ubuntu installation with that sources, there is no reason that they are all broken. 2nd guess. The server of you sources is not reachable.
[00:13] <adam___> my computer gets stuck on the ubuntu loading screen while trying to boot
[00:17] <minimec> adam___: Have you tried to boot in recovery mode?
[00:18] <adam___> minimec:  I had my wifi switch off while running the updates
[00:18] <adam___> i am running sudo apt-get updates && sudo apt-get upgrades
[00:18] <adam___> hopfully that will fix it
[00:23] <adam___> ok both of those ran without any issue but now it boots to a black screen with a _ in the top corner
[00:23] <adam___> and i cannot get to crtl alt f1
[00:24] <adam___> minimec:  ^^
[00:26] <minimec> adam___: Have you tried to boot in recovery mode?
[00:26] <adam___> how do i do that minimec
[00:26] <minimec> adam___: @ the boot screen 'other boot options'.
[00:27] <adam___> ok i am booting into recovery
[00:27] <adam___> now what minimec
[00:29] <minimec> adam___: check tho log files like /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:29] <adam___> i am at the recovery menu
[00:29] <adam___> what do i select minimec
[00:29] <minimec> adam___: drop to root shell
[00:29] <adam___> ok
[00:30] <adam___> now what6 do i run
[00:30] <adam___> minimec: ^
[00:32] <minimec> adam___: cat /var/log/kern.log or nano /var/log/kern.log
[00:32] <minimec> adam___: same with Xorg.0.log. check for errors at the end of these files
[00:33] <adam___> minimec:  no errors in either
[00:34] <minimec> adam___: You don't seem familliar with that kind of stuff. Why would you use a beta release and not an official ubuntu release? This is the channel of the ubuntu pre-release?
[00:34] <adam___> minimec:  what do i do
[00:36] <adam___> minimec:  please help me fix this i have to go in 5 minutes
[00:36] <minimec> adam___: Do you have 'pastebinit' installed? if yes -> cat /var/log/kern.log | pastebinit
[00:36] <minimec> adam___: I cannot promise you anything...
[00:38] <adam___> Failed to contact server
[00:38] <minimec> adam___: Ok. You don't have an internet connection. So I cannot  have a look @ the log file...
[00:38] <adam___> now what minimec
[00:40] <adam___> now i have to go
[00:44] <adam_____> Minimec i dont have internet on my computer can you please still help me
[00:47] <minimec> adam_____: Probably not. My hint is read the log files kern.log Xorg.0.log and system.log. If you find some stuff that seems 'not normal' @ the end of these files, search the net for some answers...
[00:48] <adam_____>  Minimec hold on i migt get internet
[00:51] <adam_____> Minimec i am in crtl alt f1 what do i run
[00:51] <minimec> adam_____: I told you before
[00:51] <adam_____> I switched computers i cant see
[00:52] <minimec> adam_____: cat /var/log/kern.log | pastebinit
[01:00] <minimec> adam_____: They look both ok.
[01:03] <adam_____> Minimec ????
[01:07] <adam_____> Anyone
[01:08] <minimec> adam_____: I don't see any problem with the kernel log and the xserver log. I see no reason for the system not to boot.
[01:08] <adam_____> Should i just reinstall
[01:46] <fibz_> ran into a problem installing xubuntu 14 on a laptop with external LCD. xubuntu seems to boot fine but i don't get video output on the external LCD (no lvds)
[01:47] <fibz_> any ideas as to how to get video output? (booting from USB created by unetbootin)
[01:54] <rww> So my firefox looks like http://i.imgur.com/4lcFryg.png
[01:54] <rww> suggestions plz
[01:57] <fibz_> use the x.org driver?
[01:57] <rww> fibz_: hrm?
[01:58] <fibz_> i've had that problem with the proprietary nvidia 304 driver
[03:16] <fibz_> the answer was to enable nolapic boot option
[03:48] <basketball> dropbox wont let me link computer to account the idicator is stuck on connecting
[05:04] <ubuntu8908> Anyone here able to successfully install dropbox onto 14.04? Every time I try it gets stuck on 'connecting' . None of the fixes I have found online have helped
[09:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:58] <onlty> Good evening.
[09:58] <lordievader> Hey onlty, how are you doing?
[09:58] <onlty> I'm fine
[09:58] <onlty> just fine nothing else
[10:38] <veke> Hello all can someone tell me what's the latest kernel in 14.04 ?
[10:39] <veke> molgrum, are you running 14.04?
[10:40] <molgrum> veke: hi, i am not
[10:40] <veke> damn it :)
[10:40] <molgrum> was just going to ask what version of linux is scheduled for 14.04
[10:40] <veke> lol
[10:41] <veke> I need the version of the kernel
[10:41] <veke> currently running on 14.04
[10:41] <veke> i think the updated
[10:41] <veke> broke something and i'm somehow running an old kernel
[10:41] <veke> lol
[10:43] <molgrum> veke: what do you mean "need the version", uname -a?
[10:48] <veke> Linux andrea 3.13.0-17-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 10 21:44:01 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:48] <veke> but I think this is an older version
[10:48] <veke> When i upgraded there was some problems writing grub stuff
[10:51] <veke> dkessel are your unning 14.04 ?
[10:52] <dkessel> veke yes... yesterday i also had 3.13.0-17
[10:53] <molgrum> oh, so 3.13 is scheduled for next ubuntu release?
[10:54] <ikonia> errr no
[10:54] <dkessel> also, http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/linux-image-generic shows that version
[10:56] <veke> hmm i get random freeze of the system
[10:56] <veke> nothing on the log
[10:57] <veke> freeze means => need to manually reboot :P
[11:27] <daas> when is the new login screen coming for 14.04?
[11:28] <Nothing_Much> daas: I'm unsure
[11:28] <Nothing_Much> It hasn't worked for me y et
[11:28] <daas> I just tried it. It works!
[11:28] <daas> It wasn't working before I restarted.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:41] <rwsq1> how much memory do you guys have RT running in? This morning ours said it was out of memory trying to send email. I've got it running on an amazon micro instance (640MB) although I've added 1GB of swap space
[12:19] <SuperLag> Should PPA comments revert back to normal from "disabled on upgrade to trusty", after the upgrade is complete?
[12:20] <ikonia> I don't believe so
[12:20] <k1l> no
[12:20] <ikonia> as there may not be PPA's for the new release
[12:20] <k1l> they stay disabled until you activate them again
[12:20] <ikonia> also to be honest, I don't think it should allow you to upgrade with any ppa software installed due to the risk of conflict/bricking your machine
[12:21] <k1l> and keep in mind, that most PPAs dont support the +1 release in early stages
[12:22] <ikonia> I'm surprised it go through an upgrade to be honest
[12:22] <k1l> well, it disables the PPAs (but doesnt remove the packages), then upgrades
[12:22] <ikonia> thats why I'm surprised it made it through
[12:22] <ikonia> as the dependencies are "normally" screwed
[12:23] <ikonia> I guess it depends on the specific PPA, there are a handful of good ones
[12:23] <k1l> if the PPA is set up right, the newer ubuntu will update the ppa-package anyway
[12:24] <ikonia> so few are though, sadly, hence my surprise
[12:31] <SuperLag> ikonia: I had no issues here. It disabled some stuff, like my Chrome entries, and VLC.
[12:31] <ikonia> disabling it doesn't remove the packages though, so even then I'm surprised it gets through it,
[12:32] <SuperLag> ikonia: I was actually pleasantly surprised at how smooth the upgrade went.
[12:32] <SuperLag> I had to patch one file to get VMware Workstation modules to work.
[12:32] <SuperLag> Reinstall a couple perl modules and python packages.
[12:33] <ikonia> so not really smooth then
[12:33] <ikonia> loads of external things failing
[12:33] <SuperLag> no loads
[12:33] <SuperLag> I use a CLI client for App.net.
[12:34] <SuperLag> It requires a couple add-on modules for certain extra functionality. They're not part of the normal Perl distribution.
[12:34] <ikonia> right, thats why I said "external"
[12:34] <SuperLag> and I have a script that uses psutil to kill all the Chrome processes
[12:35] <SuperLag> had to reinstall psutil
[12:35] <ikonia> so doesn't sound great
[12:35] <ikonia> lots of "re-install" things
[12:35] <SuperLag> 3 things?
[12:35] <SuperLag> that's what you call "lots"?
[12:36] <ikonia> perl and python packages and a kernel module and psutil is not 3 things
[12:36] <ikonia> thats 4 types of things, but I'm guessing it was more than 1 module per "thing"
[12:36] <SuperLag> I knew the kernel module would not work, going in.
[12:36] <ikonia> yes, that's not really a surprise
[12:36] <SuperLag> all the patch does is change the kernel reference to 3.13
[12:38] <SuperLag> ikonia: So, are you saying... for a successful upgrade, you expect 100% of every last piece to work flawlessly?
[12:38] <SuperLag> is that your expectation?
[12:38] <ikonia> yeah, if it's going to be targeted at everyone
[12:38] <SuperLag> that makes me laugh
[12:38] <ikonia> it makes me laugh also
[12:39] <SuperLag> I've *NEVER* had a major version upgrade on Ubuntu go well.
[12:39] <SuperLag> Not until this one.
[12:39] <ikonia> so that's not a good thing either
[12:39] <ikonia> a big part of this is how external vendors do not deal with ubuntu's release schedule
[12:40] <SuperLag> It was bad enough, early on, that I eventually opted to keep things like /home and /opt on separate partitions, and do a clean install.
[12:40] <SuperLag> I still keep /home and /opt and /usr/local separate... but this time around... it worked really well
[12:41] <SuperLag> I just did do-release-upgrade -d, and let it go.
[12:44] <miraiE> please help me about this http://prntscr.com/304sft I installed in kubuntu
[12:48] <dougl> morning BluesKaj
[12:49] <BluesKaj> morning dougl
[12:50] <dougl> Beta 2... just like christmas in april!!!
[12:50] <BluesKaj> we'll see
[12:50] <dougl> what do you use for e-mail client?
[12:51] <monkeyjuice> thunderbird here
[12:52] <dougl> obviously happy?
[12:52] <monkeyjuice> i am
[12:53] <dougl> that does news groups and multiple mail servers?
[12:53] <monkeyjuice> wow quassel just crashed
[12:54] <dougl> I have tried it but not for years... and k mail really let me down on 12.10 (probably user error) but I broke it pretty easy
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dougl, kmail let a lot of ppl down, it's inherently buggy with some hw it seems
[12:56] <monkeyjuice> hmmm now 14.04 is crashing around me right now
[12:58] <dougl> BluesKaj, always thot it was me... what do you use for mail?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> guess I should try it on this intel laptop, but I'm adverse to akonadi and nepomuk for home users
[12:58] <BluesKaj> thunderbird
[12:58] <monkeyjuice> trying a reboot brb
[13:00] <dougl> BluesKaj, I better roll up my sleeves and put up with the learning curve and use thunderbird
[13:00] <BluesKaj> t-bird is quite user friendly
[13:01] <SuperLag> it's also the most featureful, at this point
[13:02] <SuperLag> I wish MS would make Exchange support more Linux-friendly.
[13:02] <SuperLag> they don't stand to lose *anything* by doing so
[13:02] <SuperLag> that's a different discussion entirely, though... sorry.
[13:47] <dougl> Anyone have a sec... installed 14.04, (LAMP) server and then wordpress and when ever I tune to the ip is says the data file is missing and I look for it and it is there...
[13:50] <ikonia> what data file
[13:50] <ikonia> wordpress is not a "data file" it's a collection of php scripts talking to a mysql database
[13:50] <k1l> look at the data permissions
[13:51] <k1l> and is lamp the ubuntu packages or is it a 3rd party install thing
[14:11] <dougl> ikonia, sorry missed your reply - still got a few...
[14:12] <ikonia> still got a few what ?
[14:12]  * dougl has to put his 15 year old dog down today - trying to stay busy
[14:13] <dougl> ikonia for that data file... sec I will fire that machine up
[14:13] <ikonia> there is no one data file
[14:13] <ikonia> wordpress is made up of multiple files and a database
[14:13] <ikonia> and nothing should access a database data file directly
[14:15] <dougl> right... so I followed the howto that I lost for 12.10 and now I need a LTS server (want - lol) to host what I already have...
[14:16] <ikonia> that wasn't my question
[14:16] <ikonia> what data file are you referencing
[14:16] <dougl> lol - k sec thanks :)
[14:16] <ikonia> ???
[14:16] <dougl> no I mean I am looking
[14:17] <k1l> if you want a LTS server dont run 14.04 right now
[14:17] <k1l> take 12.04, that is lts
[14:18] <dougl> 12.04 would not install on thae hardware for some reason had to settle foe 12.10... I thought the beta would turn into lts no?
[14:21] <k1l> the 12.04.4 that you get to download now (the 4th "service pack") will have a newer kernel. and yes a 14.04 beta will become a 14.04 lts, but until that there is a lot that can make trouble
[14:24] <dougl> k1l, not migrating to 14.04 just preparing - dual boots with 14.04 on server and 13.10 on notebook... I am just so excited I cannot hold myself back!
[14:25] <miraiE> please help me about this http://prntscr.com/304sft I installed in kubuntu
[14:25] <k1l> there is a reason why this is labled not-final. and the lts-to-lts update process will start at 14.04.1. just odnt tell us we didnt warn you
[14:26] <archer43543> quick question: has anyone managed to install dropbox on 14.04? cant seem to make it work
[14:27] <k1l> archer43543: dropbox updated itself some days ago and is working fine
[14:28] <archer43543> hmm is that so? ive installed from every possible location (deb, source, software center) and I can't get it to work
[14:33] <ikonia> someone else was complaining in #ubuntu that the dropbox package was not prompting for username/password
[14:33] <archer45859> yes this is my problem
[14:39] <philinux> Anyone noticed Firefox is not remembering it's screen size after a resize
[14:42] <dougiel> ikonia, you still here... The requested URL /wp-admin/install.php was not found on this server.
[14:43] <k1l> dougiel: look at the data permissions of that files
[14:44] <Pici> And if apache is actually setup to serve them
[14:45] <dougl> k1l www-data:www-data
[14:48] <ikonia> is it in the correct document root
[14:48] <ikonia> please tell me you 've not copied your 12.10 config file into 14.04 as apache 2.2 and 2.4 have different vhost configs
[14:50] <dougl> ikonia, not yet - lol but I am sure I ahve done something else just as dumb
[14:56] <dougl> yeah I don't know what the issue could be... chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www...
[14:57] <ikonia> stop blindly doing things
[14:57] <ikonia> think it through
[14:58]  * dougl sees good advice
[14:58] <Pici> Look at your apache2 configs and log files, is it looking in the right place for files?
[15:06] <dougl> never looked for logs before... I will be googling - I will do some more research and look for some intelligent questions
[15:06] <ikonia> you don't need to google
[15:06] <dougl> ?
[15:06] <ikonia> look at the document root setting for your virtual host, look at the access_log and error_log of your webserver and look at what happens when you try to hit the page
[15:07] <ikonia> put a test index.html in the document root to prove it's up and serving then deal with wordpress
[15:07] <ikonia> and normally install.php is not in wp-admin directory, it's normally in the root
[15:13] <dougl> ikonia, I tested appache install and got the debian info page and replaced it with my resume
[15:13] <ikonia> ok, so work forward from there
[16:56] <waaseh> Hi, is ubuntu 14.4 beta1 iso is installable like other binary iso?
[16:57] <k1l> waaseh: there are milestone and daily .isos available
[16:57] <waaseh> the link please?
[16:59] <k1l> !topic
[16:59] <waaseh> http://www.cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04/beta-1/source/    is only the soruce  iso
[17:01] <k1l> here are the daily images: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:04] <waaseh> thanks
[18:03] <mbruzek> Hello, I have tried searching for solution to my problem but unable to find it.  Please give me a link if the problem has already been discussed or reported.
[18:03] <mbruzek> I am using trusty and for the past 2 days apt-get upgrade hangs right after the grub setup for memtest86+
[18:04] <k1l> mbruzek: apt-get update and memtest?
[18:05] <mbruzek> k1l, correct, but I am not sure if memtest86+ is the cause, or something AFTER that is causing a problem.
[18:05] <mbruzek> my apt-get upgrade is hung and never completes.
[18:05] <k1l> run a apt-get update first
[18:05] <mbruzek> Yes I do that before upgrade
[18:05] <mbruzek> I have the latest memtest
[18:06] <mbruzek> I mostly run:  sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[18:06] <k1l> mbruzek: you are mixing things
[18:06] <mbruzek> k1l, sorry.  I do update each time before running upgrade
[18:07] <k1l> please put all that into a pasteservice
[18:07] <k1l> !paste | mbruzek
[18:13] <mbruzek> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7080638/
[18:14] <mbruzek> k1l, sorry it took so long I use a terminal byobu that does not scroll back naturally
[18:14] <mbruzek> In this particular case I did a "dist-upgrade" but I can confirm that "upgrade" works or hangs the same
[18:15] <k1l> how long did you wait there?
[18:16] <mbruzek> It has been running at least 2 hours
[18:17] <mbruzek> I have had similar problems today and yesterday, so I have tried to kill the process, and then apt-get complains that it has been disrupted and I run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:18] <k1l> make sure your partitions are not full
[18:18] <mbruzek> good idea!   /dev/sda1       103G   23G   75G  24% /
[18:18] <mbruzek> That seems OK.
[18:19] <k1l> run a apt-get install -f
[18:19] <mbruzek> Should I kill the current apt-get process?
[18:19] <k1l> yes
[18:21] <mbruzek> $ sudo apt-get install -f
[18:21] <mbruzek> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:21] <mbruzek> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:21] <mbruzek> Remove the lock?
[18:21] <k1l> make sure no other process is running with the packages system
[18:25] <mbruzek> k1l, I don't believe there are
[18:25] <mbruzek> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7080694/
[18:26] <mbruzek> after removing lock
[18:26] <mbruzek> $ sudo apt-get install -f
[18:26] <mbruzek> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:27] <mbruzek> Getting stuck at the same place
[18:27] <mbruzek> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7080708/
[18:29] <k1l> maybe that is the problem? Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[18:30] <k1l> sry i dont know where the problem is in that but i have to be afk now for some time, so see if some others in here can answer
[18:40] <TenLeftFingers> I'm running 14.04 in virtualbox and since the last reboot I can't connect to the network. The whole thing is strange because I came in and the laptop was both _hot_ and _off_. So I don't know is it an update that killed it or something else.
[20:30] <ccmolik_> hey so i just got done with an install of 14.04-gnome, and Xorg appears to be segfaulting in my parallels VM
[20:31] <ccmolik_> i also noticed on the livecd that whenever it tries to kick me back to GDM that fails
[20:31] <ccmolik_> in that i get a nice blank screen
[20:31] <ccmolik_> so I tried Xorg -configure to spit out a working xorg.conf, and no luck (once installed); I get a segfault
[20:32] <ccmolik_> not sure if it's an xorg drivers issue, or what
[20:32] <ccmolik_> possibly a gdm bug
[20:34] <spaes> does anyone know whether gnome classic can easily be installed from the default 14.04 desktop distribution, or whether you will need to download a separate distro (UbuntuGnome) ? in 12.04 there were a few packages you could install to easily switch to gnome classic
[20:36] <Beldar> spaes, I believe for the classic alone it bis the gnome-panel
[20:36] <Beldar> is*
[20:36] <Beldar> spaes, No separate distros, all these desktops are in the ubuntu repos.
[20:38] <spaes> Beldar: "flavor" then? my point is that i would like to avoid xubuntu/kubuntu/gubuntu.
[20:38] <Beldar> spaes, gubuntu?
[20:38] <spaes> i made that up
[20:39] <Beldar> spaes, Gnome 3 underlies most of the desktops, however you could do a net install after release and have wider choice by installing just the desktop you want.
[20:41] <spaes> oh i see what you are getting at
[20:42] <spaes> Beldar: if i understand you correctly then, if Ubuntu Gnome can provide gnome classic based on the standard ubuntu repositories, then I should be able to install gnome-panel/etc from any desktop configuration, even the standard one that normally only has unity right?
[20:43] <Beldar> spaes, Yeah, you have git iut.
[20:43] <Beldar> it*
[20:44] <spaes> ok that's good news
[20:44] <Beldar> The gnome shell release, the gnome 3 desktop shell, should have the classic on board I believe.
[20:45] <Beldar> you can get a release with just the gnome 3 desktop, I think you are referring to that already.
[20:46] <ccmolik_> google screwed me and i thought ubuntu-gnome was the default 13.04 beta iso heh
[20:46] <ccmolik_> literacy is hard
[20:46] <Beldar> I use the shell  myself, a bit tweaked however.
[20:47] <spaes> i wouldn't mind converting to unity or gnome3, i've given both a shot a few times, but i just can't seem to get the same level of productivity out of them
[20:48] <ccmolik_> gnome3 is nice but i hate how minimizing hides the app to the activities menu
[20:48] <spaes> Beldar: could you give an example or two of how you tweak it?
[20:48] <ccmolik_> at least 14's stock gnome3 shows the logout menu by default
[20:48]  * ccmolik_ glares at fedora 19's direction
[20:49] <Beldar> spaes, There are a number of extensions there is a web site. I use the cairo dock and synapse, not the left side bar brought up from the left top corner. Small tweaks really.
[20:53] <spaes> ok just looked up cairo and synapse
[20:54] <spaes> that seems like a nice combo and it looks really clean
[20:55] <spaes> i just can't wrap my head around multi-tasking scenarios where i have 3 terminals open and 2 spreadsheets and a text editor
[20:55] <Beldar> spaes, cairo adds another desktop is all, only use it in the shell, has lots of tweak options for the panel.
[20:55] <Beldar> I only*
[21:16] <dougl> why does my apache in ubuntu 14.04 only work when my wordpress data is in /var/www/html?
[21:18] <ccmolik_> dougl: DocumentRoot
[21:18] <ccmolik_> it's an httpd.conf setting
[21:18] <ccmolik_> or apache2.conf rather
[21:18]  * ccmolik_ takes off his red hat
[21:19] <ccmolik_> so yeah, gdm doesn't want to start on my freshly-installed box. anything I can take a look at to try to convince it otherwise?
[21:20] <ccmolik_> it's a VM on parallels desktop
[21:21] <ccmolik_> if I try Xorg -configure, I get a backgrace, /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 s
[21:21] <ccmolik_> listed as the only library
[21:22] <ccmolik_> logging in and 'startx' appears to fire off gnome just fine
[21:32] <dougl> ccmolik_, no I did not see it in there?
[21:33] <ccmolik_> odd
[21:34] <dougl> agreed
[21:36] <ccmolik_> time to dig and make realmd play nice
[21:36] <ccmolik_> with our AD setup
[21:40] <ccmolik_> gaah
[21:40] <ccmolik_> i hate avahi
[21:43] <ccmolik_> but i hate centrify auth more :)
[22:40] <utack> is anyone using a "realtek 8192CU" by any chance?
[22:40] <utack> mine is totally unstable
[22:43] <Beldar> utack, Realtek at times is not a good choice, http://askubuntu.com/search?q=realtek+8192CU
[22:45] <utack> Beldar, i already had this device. got to switch it for another one thoug
[23:39] <basketball> ubuntu 14.04 login screen wont let me type password
[23:39] <ccmolik_> at least you get one ;)
[23:39] <Daekdroom> basketball, does it tell you it's wrong?
[23:40] <basketball> Daekdroom:  no
[23:40] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[23:40] <Daekdroom> So you simply can't input a password?
[23:40] <Daekdroom> You try to and nothing happens?
[23:41] <basketball> yea i can login via crtl alt f1 or guest account
[23:45] <basketball> Daekdroom:  have any idea
[23:45] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[23:45] <Daekdroom> If it was only the login screen refusing to accept your password, it'd be an issue with keyboard indicator messing up the keyboard layout settings.
[23:49] <basketball> !dpg_configure
[23:49] <basketball> !set p gdm
[23:49] <basketball> !configure gdm
[23:49] <basketball> Daekdroom:  how do i set gdm as default
[23:50] <Daekdroom> basketball, install it through the command line. You should then be prompted to choose between it and lightdm
[23:50] <Daekdroom> If you already do have it installed, use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"
[23:51] <basketball> ok thanks i knew if wawas so mething like that
[23:53] <basketball> Daekdroom:  going down for reboot
[23:53] <ccmolik_> yeah idk what's up with gdm just not working on my vm whilst gnome desktop is fine
[23:58] <basketballl> Daekdroom,  that confirms that the issue is with lightdm


[11:23] <mup> Bug #1603947 opened: ntp dhclient exit hook does not remove most servers <amd64> <apport-bug> <trusty> <MAAS:Triaged> <ntp (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603947>
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1603947 changed: ntp dhclient exit hook does not remove most servers <amd64> <apport-bug> <trusty> <MAAS:Triaged> <ntp (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603947>
[11:44] <mup> Bug #1603947 opened: ntp dhclient exit hook does not remove most servers <amd64> <apport-bug> <trusty> <ntp (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603947>
[11:53] <mup> Bug #1603947 changed: ntp dhclient exit hook does not remove most servers <amd64> <apport-bug> <trusty> <ntp (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603947>
[11:59] <BlackDex> Hello there, can a normal user add a machine via MAC? If not, how can we let a normal user do that.
[12:00] <BlackDex> To prevent changing default settings etc..
[12:20] <MonsieurBon> Hi guys. Is there a way to install maas < 2.0 on xenial?
[12:22] <BlackDex> MonsieurBon: Nope, use 14.04
[12:24] <MonsieurBon> seriously? there is only a beta version available on an LTS server OS? that's a bit disappointing
[12:24] <BlackDex> Ubuntu LTS Server isn't released yet
[12:25] <BlackDex> atleast not fully
[12:25] <BlackDex> that will happen with 16.04.1
[12:25] <MonsieurBon> I would call this released: http://www.ubuntu.com/server
[12:25] <MonsieurBon> :)
[12:26] <BlackDex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[12:26] <BlackDex> True, but an upgrade for example isn't supported yet
[12:26] <BlackDex> from 14.04 to 16.04
[12:26] <BlackDex> that will happen only when the PointRelease is done
[12:27] <MonsieurBon> Ok, good to know
[12:27] <BlackDex> maas currently is on 2.0rc2
[12:28] <BlackDex> so i think it will be final during that time
[12:32] <MonsieurBon> ok. Hope the same applies to juju. Because juju 2.0 seems far from stable to me :)
[12:32] <MonsieurBon> thx for the clarification anyway
[12:53] <virginie__> hi all, I am trying to boot ubuntu VM using iPXE with MaaS
[12:53] <virginie__> without success. The error is "no bootable device"
[13:22] <brendand> virginie__, have you configured the vm to boot from the network interface - is it a kvm vm?
[13:28] <virginie__> brendand, I checked the box and the VM starts using iPXE but I got an error
[13:30] <virginie__> Maas created a bootstrap vm but I have got this error
[13:32] <virginie__> error 0x040ee119
[14:10] <virginie__> the pb was that I have 3 different NIC and the iPXE boot on the wrong one. So I need to press F12 key to see boot menu and select the right interface
[14:12] <virginie__> also for the minimum kernel, I had to set "trusty" rather than "no minimum"
[15:36] <roaksoax> ;/win 6
[16:45] <acovrig> is it possible to login to the provisioning environment?
[17:26] <kiko> acovrig, yes
[17:26] <kiko> acovrig, by provisioning, in maas-speak, do you mean deployment? or commissioning?
[17:27] <acovrig> kiko: I netboot a new client, it boots to an ubuntu login prompt, how do I login to that?
[17:28] <kiko> acovrig, I assume you uploaded SSH keys?
[17:29] <acovrig> yes, and I tried logging in from that system as ubuntu and I think as root, what user should it be?
[17:31] <acovrig> I’m trying this from 16.04, it hung somewhere on the boot process for quite a while, so I tried 14.04 then it hangs on the ubuntu login after trying to conenct to a 169.254.*.* for a long time
[17:31] <acovrig> I just let a 16.04 go for several minutes an eventually got the ubuntu login prompt; how long should I expect it to sit at this prompt before it shutsdown after enrollment?
[17:36] <kiko> acovrig, as ubuntu
[17:36] <kiko> acovrig, hmmm.
[17:36] <kiko> acovrig, I don't know in what phase you are getting stuck. are you enlisting the machine, commissioning or deploying?
[17:47] <acovrig> kiko: I’m not sure either; from what I understand I can take a new piece of hardware, netboot it, then it will show up in the MAAS web interface so I can decide what OS and software to run on it.
[17:47] <kiko> acovrig, correct. that first netboot is called "enlistment"
[17:48] <acovrig> It’s getting stuck when I netboot it. I believe it’s supposed to enlist in MAAS then shutdown
[17:48] <kiko> acovrig, once enlistment concludes the machine shuts down
[17:48] <kiko> acovrig, ah. so enlistment is not concluding. is it the same for all your machines or do some enlist while others hang?
[17:48] <acovrig> all machines
[17:49] <kiko> ok
[17:49] <kiko> acovrig, can the machines reach the internet?
[17:49] <acovrig> currenlty I’m doing this in virtualbox on my macbook, but plan to use it to netboot and install MAAS on a physical server (because I have yet to have success installing from USB)
[17:50] <acovrig> kiko: are they supposed to? the MAAS server has 2 nics, 1->internet, 2->internal network to the physical&VMs, but doesn’t have a router on it
[17:50] <acovrig> am I supposed to manually create FW rules and ipv4_forward rules on the MAAS server so the clients have internet?
[17:51] <kiko> acovrig, enlistment requires packages be installed, which could come from a proxy. the simplest way to ensure it works is to give clients internet access.
[17:52] <acovrig> I’m a little confused on how that’s supposed to work: do I need to configure the MAAS server to be a router or not use DHCP on the MAAS server and configure a router to give the netboot DHCP option?
[17:56] <kiko> acovrig, configure the MAAS server to provide DHCP on the segment your clients are on, and have it be a router, or indicate the correct default gateway
[17:56] <kiko> (if you have another router on the segment)
[17:56] <kiko> acovrig, does that make sense?
[17:57] <acovrig> I think so, by default, does it configure itself as the router in DHCP, so if I add the FW rules and enable forwarding in the kernel it should work then?
[18:00] <kiko> acovrig, I believe it does advertise itself as the router unless you specify otherwise in the settings page
[18:00] <kiko> acovrig, by FW rules I assume you are going to NAT the clients?
[18:01] <acovrig> yea, my plan is to make an openstack cluster between 3 servers (for failover); from what I undertand I can have 1 network for internet (LAN) and a few other networks for cluster management
[18:02] <acovrig> currently my thought was to install ubuntu server from my laptop to the 3 servers over an unused cluster network then convert one of them to be the MAAS controller
[18:06] <kiko> right, that works fine
[18:06] <kiko> but indeed, the machines need external access, so you need to set up NAT and routing
[18:09] <acovrig> :D I got my first machine to show up in MAAS! I guess I missed something in the docs, or something needs to be specified more clearly in the docs. It booted much quicker too, I guess it was trying to conenct for a while during the boot process
[18:10] <kiko> cool!
[18:10] <kiko> acovrig, yeah, the process and the failure more is still sadly invisible
[18:10] <kiko> acovrig, fortunately once it works it really does work
[18:11] <acovrig> yea, unfortunately I’ve been testing this w/a VM nic bridged to a host VLAN that goes to the server room, and I don’t think that will work, so I guess I need to untag my laptop on the cluter network to netboot the servers from my laptop :)
[18:12] <kiko> heh
[18:12] <acovrig> too bad virtualbox doesn’t do _real_ network bridges
[18:21] <mup> Bug #1604103 opened: maas doesn't install in xenial unprivileged container <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604103>
[19:15] <mup> Bug #1604111 opened: MAAS does not allow an interface to be "disconnected" and not have an associated (vlan, fabric) <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604111>
[19:45] <mup> Bug #1604103 changed: maas doesn't install in xenial unprivileged container <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604103>
[19:45] <mup> Bug #1604128 opened: [2.0RC2] Unable to add a public SSH Key <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604128>
[21:24] <mup> Bug #1604128 opened: [2.0RC2] Unable to add a public SSH Key due to lp1604147 <cdoqa-blocker> <MAAS:In Progress by allenap> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:In Progress by allenap> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <maas (Ubuntu Xenial):New> <maas (Ubuntu Yakkety):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604128>
[22:01] <mup> Bug #1604169 opened: maas login yields "ImportError: No module named 'maasserver'" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604169>
[22:48] <mup> Bug #1604128 changed: [2.0RC2] Unable to add a public SSH Key due to lp1604147 <cdoqa-blocker> <verification-needed> <MAAS:In Progress by allenap> <MAAS 2.0:New> <MAAS trunk:In
[22:48] <mup> Progress by allenap> <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <maas (Ubuntu Yakkety):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604128>


[21:25] <lifeless> moin
[21:55] <vila> night ;)
[21:55] <lifeless> hah, my string.find() bug is getting 'me toos' :)\
[21:55] <lifeless> thanks for the email patch vila
[21:55] <vila> lifeless: you're welcome
[21:59] <jelmer> 'morning lifeless
[22:01] <lifeless> hi jelmer
[22:16] <vila> lifeless: when you say "This format was introduced in bzr.dev" you intend to update with the current bzr version when merging I hope ?
[22:16] <vila> s/merging/landing/
[22:17] <lifeless> yes
[22:32] <mtaylor> I'm getting this: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.MemoryError
[22:32] <mtaylor> when I try to do any bzr operations on a branch
[22:32] <mtaylor> using bzr 0.91 on gutsy
[22:35] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: That is normally a sign that there's a particularly large file in the branch.
[22:35] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: yeah - I shouldn't have any of those
[22:35] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: and it happens on bzr status, too
[22:35] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: No ulimits of any description?
[22:35] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: nope
[22:36] <mtaylor> the whole tree is at 11M
[22:36] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: Nothing else huge resident in memory?
[22:36] <mtaylor> and I get the memory error almost immediately
[22:36] <mtaylor> I have 786M free
[22:37] <mtaylor> I can try kiling firefox and eclipse
[22:38] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: now I have 1.6G free, and it still gives me the error
[22:38] <mtaylor> I've tried 0.90 and 0.91
[22:38] <mtaylor> both to no avail
[22:41] <mathrick> hey
[22:41] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: it's only in that one branch, too
[22:41] <mathrick> is there a way to see exactly what's causing rejects when unshelving?
[22:43] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: Has the branch ever had any large files committed but later removed?
[22:44] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: no.
[22:45] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: Does even 'bzr check' fail?
[22:45] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: bzr check works
[22:46] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: I'm able to branch from that branch and then operate in the new branch just fine
[22:47] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: but I can't run bzr diff to see if there were any uncommited changes in the old branch I'd forgotten about
[22:47] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: You could run a standard diff?
[22:48] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: yes. that works - except for needing to filter out all of the autoconf crap
[22:48] <mtaylor> :)
[22:48] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: Also, can you tar up the branch, and extract it elsewhere retaining the issues?
[22:48] <Odd_Bloke> mtaylor: Ah, yeah, that'd be a problem. :p
[22:48] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: well, it's in a local repository
[22:48] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: so I think if I tar up just the branch, it won't be complete, right?
[22:49] <mtaylor> Odd_Bloke: but I could try creating another repository, branching from one to the other to get the revisions and then copying over the borked branch
[22:50] <lifeless> wow
[22:50] <lifeless> mwhudson: mmm, its possibly a bug in diff matching, e.g. pythons standard libary at one point recursed waaaay to much
[22:50] <lifeless> mtaylor: ^
[22:50] <lifeless> sorry mwhudson :)
[22:50] <mtaylor> hm.
[22:51] <lifeless> mtaylor: is there a backtrace in ~/.bzr.log ?
[22:52] <mtaylor> lifeless: well, I get one on the screen
[22:52] <mtaylor> is there a pastebin somewhere I can stick it?
[22:52] <lifeless> sure
[22:52] <lifeless> http://rafb.net/paste
[22:53] <mtaylor> http://rafb.net/p/uUVwBB87.html
[22:56] <lifeless> ok
[22:56] <lifeless> this may be a C extension bug
[22:57] <lifeless> MemoryError may be sigsegv
[22:57] <lifeless> hmm, I'm not sure offhand of how to disable the C extensions in a packaged bzr
[22:57] <lifeless> so -
[22:58] <lifeless> _dirstate_helpers_c.so
[22:58] <lifeless> find that file
[22:58] <lifeless> (e.g. locate _...)
[22:58] <lifeless> rename it out of the way (as root)
[22:58] <lifeless> then try again
[22:59] <lifeless> mtaylor: ^
[22:59] <mtaylor> k
[23:00] <mtaylor> lifeless: now I get an AssertionError
[23:01] <mtaylor> http://rafb.net/p/3QbwaA82.html
[23:03] <lifeless> mtaylor: looks like a damaged dirstate file
[23:03] <lifeless> did you have a power failure or some such during commit, or si this on NFS?
[23:04] <mtaylor> lifeless: nope. not on nfs. and I don't remember any power failures
[23:04] <lifeless> anyhow, your current tree state has been damaged
[23:04] <mtaylor> lifeless: I did recently try to use the bzr eclipse plugin... perhaps that screwed something up
[23:04] <lifeless> it shouldn't be accessing this file directly
[23:04] <mtaylor> lifeless: ok. well I'll just browse around and look for uncommited changes
[23:05] <mtaylor> I don't think I had any
[23:05] <lifeless> you could try:
[23:05] <lifeless> bzr branch . ../clean
[23:05] <lifeless> diff -Nrup -x .bzr . ../clean
[23:05] <lifeless> [sorry that you're having to do this]
[23:05] <mtaylor> hey - no problem!
[23:06] <fullermd> You could tar up your working files, rm them and .bzr/checkout/, re-checkout the tree, blow away the files, and untar the old ones.
[23:06] <lifeless> fullermd: simpler:
[23:07] <lifeless> bzr branch . ../clean
[23:07] <fullermd> (I dunno if remove-tree would work if the checkout metafiles were wonky)
[23:07] <lifeless> cp ../clean/.bzr/checkout/dirstate .bzr/checkout/
[23:07] <lifeless> mtaylor: ^
[23:07] <lifeless> that will discard knowledge of renames
[23:07] <lifeless> and of pending merges
[23:07] <lifeless> but will be otherwise good
[23:08] <mtaylor> lifeless:  turns out I don't have any ditry files... so the bzr branch . ../clean
[23:09] <mtaylor> gives me a tree that's got everything
[23:09] <mtaylor> *phew*
[23:09] <mtaylor> now - if only I knew how the dirstate got screwed
[23:09] <lifeless> abentley: the graph is the problem, I'm adding a HeadsCache to graph.py
[23:10] <lifeless> abentley: we do 1M key lookups to commit a merge of bzr.dev.
[23:10] <abentley> Do we really need to be doing that many?
[23:10] <lifeless> one hopes not :)
[23:12] <mtaylor> lifeless: thanks for the help!
[23:12] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/153749
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153749 in bzr "dirstate C helper MemoryError on bad dirstate file" [Undecided,New]
[23:12] <lifeless> filed as a result of your problem
[23:12] <mtaylor> sweet. glad to help ;)
[23:13] <mtaylor> lifeless: would my working tree be helpful at all?
[23:13] <lifeless> uhm
[23:13] <mtaylor> I can tar it (and the repos it's in up) if it would be
[23:13] <lifeless> it *might* help figure out the nature of the corruption
[23:13] <lifeless> the only file we'd need is .bzr/checkout/dirstate
[23:13] <abentley> Well, I'm really asking if it's the caller's fault or the callee's fault.
[23:14] <lifeless> abentley: we do one heads() call per file being committed
[23:15] <mtaylor> HAHA
[23:16] <mtaylor> lifeless: you gotta love it when you get a launchpad oops while uploading an attachement to a bug :)
[23:16] <ekimus> hi, just wanted to start playing around with baraar and ubuntu/feisty has this in the description "Unless you have a pressing reason to use bazaar you should use some other revision control system as upstream development has ceased." - is that remotely true or just a bad incident that it is an outdated version?
[23:16] <Odd_Bloke> ekimus: You want 'bzr'.
[23:16] <mtaylor> ekimus: ^^
[23:17] <lifeless> mtaylor: we're having a postgresql glitch right now, admins are on it.
[23:17] <lifeless> mtaylor: just try again please :)
[23:17] <mtaylor> lifeless: it worked the second time
[23:17] <lifeless> ekimus: thats a bug in the packaging - the 'bazaar' package is not bzr. 'bzr' is the package name.
[23:17] <lifeless> mtaylor: cool
[23:17] <ekimus> Odd_Bloke: thanks, looks a lot better :)
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153749 in bzr "dirstate C helper MemoryError on bad dirstate file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153749
[23:43] <lifeless> abentley: its taking 10+ seconds to answer<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:43] <lifeless> )
[23:43] <lifeless> abentley: so I'm thinking its graph's fault.
[23:45] <ekimus> hmm the bzr ignore is a per location setting/command right? (still scanning the docs and no hands on experience yet)
[23:47] <fullermd> ekimus: It gets set in the branch you run it in, yes (it all goes in a '.bzrignore' file in the root of the branch)
[23:48] <lifeless> ekimus: there is also a global ignore you can set
[23:48] <lifeless> in ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf|locations.conf
[23:48] <lifeless> I should say 'local ignore'
[23:50] <ekimus> yup i can set the ignores in a central place but the setting is local to each repo (somehow like this should be correct)
[23:50] <lifeless> you can set ignores in three places:
[23:50] <lifeless> bazaar.conf
[23:50] <lifeless> affects all use of bzr on your machine
[23:50] <lifeless> locations.conf
[23:50] <lifeless> affects use of bzr by url matching
[23:50] <lifeless> .bzrignore
[23:50] <lifeless> affects that one branch
[23:51] <lifeless> (and propogates via merge operations to other branches)
[23:52] <fullermd> Don't you mean ~/.bazaar/ignore?
[23:52] <lifeless> oh, perhaps I'm confused
[23:52]  * fullermd didn't know you could set ignores in locations.conf...
[23:52] <lifeless> *ignore me*
[23:52] <fullermd> echo lifeless >> .bzrignore    8-}
[23:53] <lifeless> ekimus: generally though, its just 'bzr ignore NEWS' and it DTRT
[23:54] <ekimus> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-reference/bzr_man.html#ignore seems to be that a .bzignore file is used also (just thru the ignore command)
[23:54] <fullermd> Right.  'bzr ignore' just adds lines to the .bzrignore file in the branch.
[23:59] <ekimus> hmm something i'm missing is some more docs about the how to run a bzr:// server and what options there are for access control. then again, a) i just have to try it b) it's python and the hooks seem to be easy to do (if they are as simple as plugins - which i just found out that i read the docs for instead of hooks)


[06:09] <aditya> ..
[08:46] <AskUbuntu> How to install Turbo C | http://askubuntu.com/q/323321
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Sweet Child O' Mine Day! :-D
[09:03] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: dude, i think i found out what is different in the click on the InverseMouseArea and the normal MouseArea. with MA it does not matter if you click, move and release as long as you stay within the MA. With the IMA click and release have to happen at the same spot it seems.
[09:04] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: that’s what I suspected
[09:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: so the next step would be to propose mimicking this in the IMA and discuss it with the SDK team, and submit the necessary change
[09:06] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: certainly, though the sdk team ATM is timp and Kaleo right ?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: yeah, apparently Zsombor will be back next week
[09:08] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: don’t forget to comment on your findings in the bug report
[09:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: sure. and i'll try a patch that fixes it
[09:19] <seb128> hey there, is there a "error color" in the toolkit?
[09:20] <seb128> I've a design document which specifies "extra caption in the error color should appear below the usual caption"
[09:21] <oSoMoN> seb128: I don’t think there’s one defined in the UITK
[09:21] <seb128> oSoMoN, would it make sense to open a wishlist asking for one?
[09:21] <seb128> or is that up to app to define one?
[09:21] <oSoMoN> seb128: it would make sense to discuss it with design/the UITK team
[09:22] <oSoMoN> seb128: try jounih
[09:22] <seb128> ok
[09:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[09:40] <gusch> nerochiaro: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/camera-app/camera-tap-focus/+merge/176346
[10:09] <gusch> oSoMoN: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/camera-app/camera-tap-focus/+merge/176346
[10:09] <oSoMoN> gusch: sure
[10:10] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx
[10:16] <oSoMoN> gusch: approved
[10:17] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[10:18] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx again ;)
[11:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i haven't been building in pbuild for a while, and i guess now that we moved to saucy i would need to create a saucy pbuilder to be able to create packages for the phone
[11:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is there a specific sources.list i should use when i do that ?
[11:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: nope, everything is in the archive
[11:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok thanks
[12:00] <pico_> Hi, does anyone know where there's a minimal guide to Ubuntu packaging?
[12:01] <pico_> I'm trying to put a solitaire game I wrote for Touch up on launchpad.
[12:13] <zeokila> How can I install a module/plugin to my ubuntu application? When I try to run the app, it give me this: module "reader.plugin" is not installed
[12:14] <zeokila> So I tried Build>make>install on the plugin and it give me this: make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[12:27] <zeokila> Anyone?
[12:54]  * om26er wonders why do we need a socket server for notes-app autopilot tests and not just copy images to desired places o_O
[13:02] <renato> hi guys I am trying to run the gallery example on ubuntu-ui-toolkit project and I am getting this error: ile:///home/renato/work/phablet/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml:21 Type MainView unavailable
[13:02] <renato> file:///home/renato/work/phablet/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/MainView.qml:18 module "Ubuntu.Unity.Action" is not installed
[13:02] <renato> Kaleo, timp , greyback  ^^
[13:02] <renato> do I need to install something else?
[13:11] <renato> Saviq, do you know something about that?  ^^
[13:28] <nik90|Office> renato: timp should definitely know about it since he worked on last week (i think). It was done to combine toolbar actions to show up in the hud actions.
[13:28] <nik90|Office> it was done to *allow*
[13:30] <timp> nik90|Office: yes I answered in different channel :) qtdeclarative5-unity-action-plugin from saucy or https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa needs to be installed
[14:00] <kalikiana> isn't that a dependency already? unless you just build from trunk I guess and don't have any packages
[14:04] <nik90|Office> kalikiana:I think it is a dependency. I do not remembering installing it, however on checking it is apparently installed. I am guessing I do not need to add it to my debian/control file
[14:05] <timp> kalikiana: yes renato was building uitk trunk
[14:05] <kalikiana> k
[14:20] <nerochiaro> bfiller: mumble is really annoying, two victims today. anyway, the report is simple, i figured out what was the problem with inverse mouse area, updated the bug, and am working on a patch to solve the issue. i'll propose it to zoltan when he comes back next week
[14:22] <bfiller> nerochiaro: cool
[15:01] <om26er> gusch, Hey! you may know already but it seems we can change camera during video recording
[15:02] <gusch> om26er: oh - do we have a bug for that?
[15:02] <om26er> is reporting now
[15:03] <gusch> om26er: I guess one can change to phot mode as well
[15:05] <om26er> gusch, yeah ;)
[15:05] <om26er> gusch, bug 1204132
[15:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1204132 in camera-app "Camera switching should not be allowed during video recording" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204132
[15:25] <nik90|Office> timp: speaking of pagestacks, how does one share data between 2 pages defined in 2 different qml files?
[15:36] <AskUbuntu> Is there a gui to show real time who is connected to my network? | http://askubuntu.com/q/323450
[15:49] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[15:49] <timp> nik90|Office: what kind of data?
[16:46] <nik90|Office> timp: I wanted to share a listmodel between two files. But my question can also be more general as in sharing common properties or variables between files
[17:18] <nerochiaro> om26er: i'm trying to run the autopilot tests for ubuntu-ui-toolkit on the device. but all tests report this error "RuntimeError: Autopilot could not determine the correct introspection type to use. You can specify one by overriding the AutopilotTestCase.pick_app_launcher method.". do you know how to fix that ?
[17:18] <om26er> nerochiaro, you need to add: app_type='qt' in the method where you launch the app
[17:19] <nerochiaro> om26er: i'm launching it via phablet-test-run
[17:19] <nerochiaro> om26er: not sure how to change that
[17:19] <om26er> nerochiaro, change in the __init__.py i mean
[17:19] <om26er> nerochiaro, inside self.launch_test_application()
[17:19] <nerochiaro> om26er: yeah, but that means that up until now the ubuntu-ui-toolkit tests have never worked on the device ?
[17:20] <om26er> nerochiaro, yep. the code is in lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit ?
[17:20] <nerochiaro> om26er: yes
[17:21] <om26er> nerochiaro, change here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/UbuntuUiToolkit/tests/__init__.py#L79
[17:21] <om26er> after this line
[17:22] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, i'll try that, but why isn't it already like that in trunk ?
[17:22] <om26er> nerochiaro, probably they never ran those tests on the device to face the problem
[17:23] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: timp: is it correct that you guys never ran the autopilot tests for the ubuntu-ui-tookit on the device ?
[17:23] <kenvandine> om26er, i used your hack to force screen unlock to fix the friends-app autopilot tests on the device, is there any plans to solve that in a more general way?
[17:24] <om26er> kenvandine, yes, the plan is to unlock the greeter by piloting unity shell as my hack just blindly swipes
[17:24] <om26er> it works though ;)
[17:25] <kenvandine> yeah... unless you're testing the shell :)
[17:25] <kenvandine> works for me though
[17:25] <kenvandine> i just bet all of our apps are broken the same way
[17:26] <om26er> kenvandine, so you made the change in your app tests ?
[17:27] <om26er> one else is using that, we only use it in jenkins jobs
[17:27] <kenvandine> om26er, i did
[17:27] <kenvandine> it was breaking the smoke tests
[17:27] <kenvandine> now friends-app is green on the dashboard :)
[17:27] <om26er> kenvandine, for smoke tests they have used my hack in UTAH so you may need that in your app :)
[17:28] <neokore> Hi all, anyone could help me setting colors to some qml objects?
[17:28] <kenvandine> yeah, i suspect all the apps will need it
[17:28] <kenvandine> neokore, sure, more specific?
[17:29] <neokore> I got a ComposerSheet but all texts appears in white color, so it's difficult to read them
[17:30] <neokore> I want to change its base text color, but I don't know how
[17:31] <neokore> I tried setting the color attribute but... it's not a member of this object
[17:34] <kenvandine> neokore, are you setting a theme?
[17:35] <kenvandine> you could tweak it depending if you want a light or dark background
[17:35] <kenvandine>     Component.onCompleted: Theme.name = "Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruDark"
[17:35] <kenvandine> or i think SuruLight exists too
[17:35] <kenvandine> but i haven't tried that
[17:35] <neokore> I'll try it, thank you kenvandine!
[17:36] <kenvandine> np
[21:18] <AskUbuntu> Developing nautilus thumbnailer | http://askubuntu.com/q/323578
[22:20] <marlinc> https://plus.google.com/102031545913933941769/posts/7rE4eq5GBiW
[22:57] <ScottD> Is there a way for me to reply to comments people have left for my app on the Software Center?  I'd like to help those having problems.
[23:02] <marlinc> I wish I could help you
[23:03] <ScottD> Me too.  :-)
[23:03] <marlinc> It appear to be quite inactive here :p
[23:04] <ScottD> I've noticed.
[23:06] <marlinc> Do you know anything about integration with Unity? Like the syncmenu?
[23:07] <ScottD> Nope.  My game is in Unity, but I just did a straight port.  Nothing fancy.
[23:09] <marlinc> Damn I need some support with that
[23:12] <ScottD> Just need to figure out the bindings for it.
[23:14] <ScottD> Look for mono bindings for it.  Or examples of using it from mono.
[23:15] <marlinc> For integration with Unity?
[23:15] <marlinc> Does a game have to integrate mm? Maybe
[23:16] <ScottD> Well a mono example would give you the bindings for the sync menu library.  Those should work in Unity.
[23:16] <marlinc> Well I use Java for my application and have a Python script to integrate
[23:17] <ScottD> Maybe I'm confused by which Unity we're talking about.  I keep forgetting that's the name of the UI on Ubuntu and not just a game engine.
[23:17] <marlinc> That works but there probably are some improvements I can make to the Python script so thats why I wanted to ask the Ubuntu developer communtiy
[23:17] <marlinc> By Unity I mean the Ubuntu desktop environment :p
[23:17] <ScottD> Yea, I didn't.  :-D
[23:17] <marlinc> Haha :P
[23:18] <ScottD> If there are docs for the API to talk to the sync menu you can adapt the C interface to work in Java via JNI.
[23:19] <marlinc> Well my current implementation (https://github.com/MMS-Projects/copyit-app/blob/develop/desktop/src/net/mms_projects/copy_it/integration/UnityIntegration.java) works :)
[23:19] <marlinc> But I'm just looking for improvements
[23:19] <marlinc> With https://github.com/MMS-Projects/copyit-app/blob/develop/desktop/res/scripts/desktop-integration.py this Python script
[23:20] <marlinc> Works very well except that the sync menu state doesn't update all the time. That should be a issue with the Python script
[23:20] <ScottD> Interesting.
[23:21] <ScottD> I work in both languages but I'm totally unfamiliar with working with dbus and such.
[23:22] <marlinc> Well DBus is only really used to talk to the Python script
[23:22] <marlinc> And the Python script uses some DBus stuff to talk to Unity
[23:23] <marlinc> (and back to the application)


[20:45] <ioria> resistor4u,  you'll get it done in 25 min
[20:45] <alphazed1972> ?
[20:45] <resistor4u> ioria: and everyone is certain on here that no existing default Ubuntu official distribution has openssh already on it?
[20:45] <ioria> resistor4u,  frankly....maybe server ed
[20:45] <alphazed1972> #TJ
[20:45] <alphazed1972> ~TJ
[20:46] <TJ-> resistor4u: correct, it is expected to use preseeding to add packages during installer operation automatically
[20:46] <ioria> resistor4u,  check the server manifest
[20:46] <resistor4u> ioria: the whole idea is to make this broken machine a headless server
[20:46] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: which behaviur exactly, the recovery shell, the ability to login at the recovery shell without providing a password (but not all the other ways allowing unauthenticated access to your data), or the fact that your data is stored unencrypted on your disk?
[20:46] <ioria> resistor4u,  i got it
[20:47] <TJ-> alphazed1972: disable what specifically? The menu, or access as root?
[20:47] <Rumen> TJ it is not the hard disk, the test shows the disk is fine. But I removed one old WIFI PCI card and will see if it was the problem. Thanks for pointing me the hardware I searched some program that caused the problem.
[20:47] <TJ-> Rumen: ahhh, so a hardware issue causing problems on the PCI bus maybe?
[20:48] <alphazed1972> non password root access - I get it that anyone with physical access to my system can find a way in... but it just seems silly to provide that by by means of an escape key, a couple arrows down, and another couple arrows down
[20:48] <TJ-> alphazed1972: that's why we have 'full disk encryption'
[20:49] <alphazed1972> okay - but I'm doing machine learning on these boxes, won't the encryption slow me down?
[20:49] <TJ-> alphazed1972: you can also password-protect the grub boot menu to prevent that, but it is trivial to avoid
[20:49] <resistor4u> TJ-: so there are no official ubuntu-server distributions that have openssh and openssh-server installed by defautl?
[20:49] <OerHeks> with a multi core and 2 gb ram, maybe 4% ?
[20:50] <philip__> uh, hello?!
[20:50] <TJ-> resistor4u: not for Intel/AMD CPU no (other than possibly 'cloud' images); there may be for some embedded arm builds but not sure, they're generally kept minimal deliberately.
[20:50] <tomreyn> hi philip__
[20:50] <alphazed1972> okay so I have a dual xeon, fast ssd and 256 MB RAM... I should just encrypt
[20:51] <OerHeks> ubuntu core lets you setup an ssh account online, but includes no wireless
[20:51] <resistor4u> TJ-: thankyou for helping answer my questions
[20:51] <resistor4u> i guess that means i should 1) pack up and go home to figure out how to get a screen or 2) pick a different linux flavor?
[20:51] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: i suspect you mean 256 GB RAM?
[20:51] <TJ-> alphazed1972: 256MB RAM? Ubuntu won't install in that!
[20:52] <alphazed1972> TJ / tomreyn - correct 256 GB
[20:52] <TJ-> resistor4u: as I said earlier, easiest is to 'borrow' an display for an hour!
[20:53] <resistor4u> TJ-: i really am basically in a broom closet in the social sciences building. i'd have to haul the laptop and search for a spare screen that might have a connection the fits the laptop
[20:53] <resistor4u> grad students get the shaft - we do most if not all the grunt work
[20:53] <resistor4u> ignore my bitching
[20:53] <alphazed1972> next question, is anyone out there succesfully running an nvidia rtx 2080 on ubuntu 18.04 - I have been doing all the ussual nomodeset blacklist nouveau stuff... and I can't get it booting with this card
[20:53] <TJ-> resistor4u: right, but in the time you've already spent...!
[20:55] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: full disk encryption will have an impact either way. on modern hardware where it can use CPU (hardware) crypto extensions it is marginal and won't be noticed other than in benchmarks. full disk encryption is also a way to ensure your data will not fall into other peoples' hands once you have to replace your disks (such as when they no longer work properly, but data recovery may still be possible).
[20:56] <OerHeks> alphazed1972, your card needs the 410 driver, https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/138279/en-us
[20:57] <OerHeks> that card is so new, you need the driver ppa i guess https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:57] <alphazed1972> yeah I tried the 415 driver - its listed as compatible - but no luck using the ppa
[20:57] <OerHeks> oh, then be patient, it will be fixed in the future
[20:57] <alphazed1972> okay - so I'll try 410 for now
[20:59] <OerHeks> and i would use 18.10 for that, newer kernel .. or use the !HWE stack
[20:59] <OerHeks> !hwe
[21:00] <OerHeks> ... and some just turn off the Intel in bios, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1095636/ubuntu-18-04-not-booting-with-aorus-rtx-2080
[21:01] <kinghat> is it ok to get firefox build from disco?
[21:01] <teward> kinghat: from disco to... what?
[21:02] <teward> Cosmic?  Bionic?  Older?
[21:02] <kinghat> sorry. bionic.
[21:02] <wyre> hi everyone, I'm having got issues with my ubuntu 18.04 and java
[21:02] <alphazed1972>  All - I am thinking about going 16.04 actually - 18.04 is just becoming supported enough to use with the ML packages out there... I fear 18.10 will be too bleeding edge.
[21:03] <teward> kinghat: I wouldn't.
[21:03] <teward> kinghat: mostly because Firefox on newer is built with newer OPenSSL and that might not port backwards to your older OpenSSL libraries sanely.
[21:04] <wyre> it seems stdin is not available for java
[21:04] <wyre> https://bpaste.net/show/0133fef09fb9
[21:04] <teward> kinghat: this said, is there a reason you need firefox 65 and not 64 which is in every other version of Ubuntu at the moment.
[21:04] <wyre> what do you think?
[21:05] <wyre> how can I traceback the issue?
[21:06] <kinghat> well its 64 and not 64.0.2. was just thinking the disco builds were updated faster.
[21:06] <kinghat> probably flawed thinking.
[21:08] <teward> kinghat: i'd steer clear of +1 builds unless you know what you're doing :P
[21:09] <LOOMIS> bir tawil
[21:09] <LOOMIS> terra nullius
[21:09] <kinghat> steer clear of them?
[21:10] <kinghat> its fixes for the 64 version.
[21:23] <wyre> blackflow, they cannot/dont want to help me xdd
[21:23] <wyre> so I don't know what more can I do
[21:25] <wyre> it must be related with this machine
[21:32] <johnnyfive> Is there a tool available to create Release files for a repository?
[21:36] <johnnyfive> Nvm I *think* I found it. Was googling the wrong thing
[21:46] <marmaduke> siemka :D
[21:51] <Loshki> I bought an NVME.m2 drive on a whim, installed and booted 16.04 in AHCI mode. Works fine, but doesn't respond to SMART. Is this as it should be? How are you supposed to monitor them?
[21:51] <compdoc> you might need to set smart on in the bios
[21:52] <compdoc> usually, it just works
[21:52] <compdoc> how are you reading it?
[21:56] <Loshki> compdoc: gparted had no problems creating gpt and I've had no problems mounting the partitions. But it doesn't respond to 'hdparm -I' and smarctl --all says it can't identify device. Not sure what type to specify for -d
[21:56] <compdoc> what dev is it?
[21:58] <Loshki> A Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 model MZ-V7E250. Something about AHCI vs. SATA mode, perhaps?
[21:58] <OerHeks> hdparm -I /dev/sdXY, then it complains about sudo
[21:58] <OerHeks> err /dev/nvme0 ?
[21:59] <OerHeks> nvme0n1
[22:00] <Loshki> Er, /dev/nvme0: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device. Is this even supposed to work?
[22:01] <TJ-> Loshki: which kernel version, which smartmontools version?
[22:03] <Loshki> Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS, 4.15.0-43-generic, smartctl 6.5 2016-01-24 r4214. Too old?
[22:03] <TJ-> Loshki: smartmontools v6.5 added the initial NVME support so in theory it ought to work.
[22:03] <TJ-> Loshki: any clues in the kernel log?
[22:05] <OerHeks> i think nvme0 is not enough ? nvme0n1 is the 1st device
[22:05] <tomreyn> Loshki: use nvme (package nvme-cli) rather than hdparm, though
[22:07] <Loshki> OerHeks: I tried various name variants, no difference.
[22:09] <TJ-> Loshki: as was said earlier, ensure SMART is enabled in the Motherboard firmware setup
[22:09] <Loshki>  nvme id-ctrl /dev/nvme0n1 returns a bunch of sensible info. It's there, it's working. nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 also returns plausible info. A smartctl bug?
[22:09] <compdoc> I installed my first M.2 eSATA drive recently, and smart sees it. Is there a bios update for you motherboard?
[22:11] <Loshki> nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 looks reasonable. So, a smartctl bug?
[22:14] <Loshki> Ah. Looks like a smartctl bug (and perhaps hdparm too). https://askubuntu.com/questions/940133/ubuntu-16-04-m-2-ssd-doesnt-display-anything-when-using-smartctl-a-unknown
[22:14] <TJ-> Loshki: maybe the device uses non-standard information pages that smartctl 6.5 wasn't aware of (that's 2016 vintage)
[22:15] <TJ-> !info smartmonctl cosmic
[22:15] <TJ-> well duh
[22:15] <TJ-> !info smartmontools cosmic
[22:15] <TJ-> looks like it hasn't been updated in a while
[22:15] <Loshki> tomreyn: thanks for the nvme package suggestion, I think that helped narrow it down. Thanks for other suggestions too. I will investigate smartctl further
[22:16] <Loshki> Thanks all others who played also...
[22:17] <Loshki> smartmontools: NVMe support is missing, #1616020
[22:20] <TJ-> bug #1616020
[22:24] <TJ-> Problem is the v6.5 package is not built --with-nvme-devicescan
[22:24] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.1 My home/ray/Desktop folder shows empty none of my icon launchers are in the folder..How to add icons to the desktop folder
[22:24] <alphazed1972> TJ so I just did a clean install of 18.04, encrypted my drive(thanks for that tip), added the graphics ppa and installed nvidia 410, I also added blacklist.nouveau.conf with lines for modeset and blacklist, and again black screen of nvidia hell.  I figure my options are try 18.10 or got to 16.04 which I have seen working with the rtx 2080... what would you think to do?
[22:26] <TJ-> alphazed1972: I've stayed well away from nvidia for a long time due to the issues it causes
[22:27] <alphazed1972> TJ I get that - its the only thing that does machine learning though - there really is no substitute for a local research and development system
[22:28] <TJ-> alphazed1972: if being used for machine learning why are video drivers required?
[22:30] <alphazed1972> TJ - well I've got four of them in there, its nice to have one drive the three high res monitors attached
[22:30] <alphazed1972> machine learning is a lot about visualization
[22:36] <alphazed1972> TJ I'm going to try 18.10 - I'm not hopeful though
[22:38] <nicomachus> alphazed1972: have you tried the 415 driver from the PPA?
[22:38]  * nicomachus did not scroll back very far to see the original question but maybe it helps?
[22:43] <ebol4> When you create a symlink to an init.d script in /etc/rc0.d/, which function is it calling? start() ?
[22:46] <woenx> Hi. I would like to try and compile one program, but I don't want to fill my computer with lots dependencies that I will only use once. Is there a way to create an insolated environment just to compile stuff under Ubuntu?
[22:48] <OerHeks> solution: build a virtual machine?
[22:48] <ebol4> woenx: you can set up a chroot build environment, but it may be simpler just to have a VM or other dedicated build machine
[22:49] <guiverc> woenx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot  (if you want the chroot way, but I'd use a vm myself)
[22:51] <woenx> ebol4, guiverc , thanks
[22:51] <woenx> Do you know if it is possible to compile ubuntu software from another distro?
[22:51] <woenx> I'd like to automate the process, but my server uses debian
[22:52] <ebol4> it is largely easy as long as you are on the same architecture (e.g. x86) and you are not compiling kernel modules
[22:52] <ebol4> if you're just compiling like, wget, or something small, it will work fine
[22:52] <woenx> aha
[22:52] <ebol4> but if you're compiling a kernel module for a wlan dongle, it won't
[22:52] <ebol4> unless you are compiling with the same kernel
[22:52] <ebol4> or you have the kernel headers you are compiling to
[22:52] <woenx> I wanted to try to compile digikam, which is a pretty complex software
[22:53] <woenx> and I found this before: https://discuss.pixls.us/t/compile-latest-digikam-on-ubuntu-18-04/9882
[22:54] <OerHeks> good luck
[22:54] <woenx> thanks
[22:54] <ebol4> i think the target machine (your ubuntu PC) will still need to have these dependency libraries installed in order for the software to work
[22:54] <ebol4> not the -dev versions
[22:54] <ebol4> but like, libx264 itself, for example
[22:54] <woenx> aha
[22:55] <ebol4> unless you statically link the binary i think
[22:55] <woenx> won't the deb that results from compiling that code ask for these dependencies automatically?
[22:56] <ebol4> unless someone has made something that packages this particular software into a .deb file for you, the final product will not be a deb
[22:56] <ebol4> it will just the compiled program
[22:56] <ebol4> s/just/just be/
[22:56] <woenx> well, I would put everything into a deb
[22:56] <woenx> which will ask for dependencies
[22:56] <woenx> (that's my idea, I have very little experience)
[22:56] <ebol4> that would take care of that then yes
[22:57] <OerHeks> https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=digikam
[22:57] <woenx> ...aha...
[22:58] <TJ-> woenx: best way is to use sbuild (the Debian/Ubuntu tool), see e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/sbuild https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[22:58] <Kali_Yuga> how do I turn off this swipe lock screen in ubuntu?
[22:59] <woenx> so it's going to be harder than expected...
[23:00] <woenx> digikam on the repositories is still version 5.6.0, which is super old and full of bugs that have already been corrected
[23:01] <OerHeks> Kali_Yuga,  in systemsetting somewhere, privacy - lock screen
[23:01] <OerHeks> and power - blank screen
[23:27] <alphazed1972> TJ nichomachus : I did try 415 - no good results either.   I pushed one step ahead, right now I am getting a PKCS#7 error for unsigned key on boot... the only problem is I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what I need to do on this motherboard to switch off secure boot
[23:46] <petro> everyone is asleep?
[23:46] <alphazed1972> zzzzzzzzz
[23:47] <OerHeks> no, the munchies
[23:52] <petro> can anyone advise on backup of a drive (maybe failing)
[23:53] <petro> I was going to use gddrescue
[23:53] <petro> gnu rescue?
[23:54] <TempUser029875> I have Ubuntu Mate and after running apt upgrade and rebooting I am now stuck with the splash screen dots in the middle of my screen, they will not go away even after I edited grub to remote the boot splash screen


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[06:16] <pitti> Good morning
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[07:59] <flexiondotorg> Morning chaps
[08:00] <willcooke> pip pip
[08:02] <didrocks> morning willcooke, flexiondotorg
[08:02] <didrocks> install
[08:02] <didrocks> virtualenv!
[08:02]  * didrocks tries to autocomplete willcooke's prompt
[08:03]  * flexiondotorg asks didrocks to imagine I just wrote something welcoming in French ;-)
[08:03] <Laney> hi homies
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:03] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:03] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:03] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: ahah ;)
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:04]  * Sweet5hark is working from a mobile hotspot right now, so connectivity might be somewhat wobbly.
[08:04] <Sweet5hark> Laney: thanks for the LibreOffice upload!
[08:05] <Laney> hi pitti didrocks & Sweet5hark
[08:05] <Laney> Sweet5hark: welcome
[08:06] <didrocks> hey hey Sweet5hark
[08:20] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've got a note on my tasks about adding new 16.10 wallpapers.
[08:20] <flexiondotorg> I'm familiar with how to do that, because the process is the same in MATE.
[08:20] <flexiondotorg> But, where do there wallpapers comes from?
[08:22] <Laney> flexiondotorg: nhaines will deliver them, but I don't think it's happened yet
[08:22] <flexiondotorg> OK
[08:22] <Laney> It might get tight so I may JFDI
[08:22] <flexiondotorg> Fair enough :-)
[08:41] <Laney> http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/NBF2016_Beer_Prog_Notes.pdf
[08:47]  * duflu is jealous, Laney, alan_g
[08:50] <jbicha> good morning
[08:50] <jbicha> happyaron: you tested the openvpn update, right?
[08:52] <Laney> pitti: Can I steal you for a couple of minutes? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-config/+bug/1630090)
[08:52] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23274086/
[08:52] <pitti> Laney: still in "play catch-up from pings over the weekend" mode :/, will look in a bit
[08:53] <Laney> OK
[08:53] <Laney> Don't really understand what's going on there
[08:54] <pitti> Laney: hm, so we do set it in the env?
[08:54] <Laney> It's set using d-u-a-e --systemd
[08:55] <Laney> but then comes out in the session with a slightly different value
[08:55] <pitti> oh, does it need quoting of the '=' perhaps
[08:56] <Laney> in the actual input?
[08:56] <pitti> I mean, '=' is part of the value of that env var
[08:57] <pitti> so we set XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
[08:57] <pitti> and maybe some parser gets confused and stops at the second =
[08:57] <Laney> Maybe, but it's not at the level of the shell
[08:58] <Laney> because I made it be just d-u-a-e --verbose --systemd XMODIFIERS (without the =...), which grabs the value from the environment
[08:59] <pitti> right
[09:00] <Laney> laney@yakkety-vm:~$ journalctl --user-unit=im-config  | grep FOO
[09:00] <Laney> Oct 04 09:59:31 yakkety-vm sh[1917]: + dbus-update-activation-environment --verbose --systemd FOO=bar=baz
[09:00] <Laney> Oct 04 09:59:31 yakkety-vm sh[1917]: dbus-update-activation-environment: setting FOO=bar=baz
[09:00] <pitti> $ dbus-update-activation-environment --verbose --systemd XMODIFIERS
[09:00] <Laney> laney@yakkety-vm:~$ strings /proc/$(pidof compiz)/environ | grep FOO
[09:00] <pitti> dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
[09:00] <pitti> $ systemctl --user show-environment  |grep XMODIF
[09:00] <Laney> FOO=bar=baz
[09:00] <pitti> XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
[09:00] <pitti> so taht seems to work too
[09:00] <Laney> laney@yakkety-vm:~$ systemctl --user show-environment | grep XMODIFIERS
[09:00] <Laney> XMODIFIERS=@im
[09:00]  * Laney learns show-environment; thanks!
[09:01] <pitti> but in my VM show-environment clearly just shows =@im
[09:01] <Laney> hmmmm
[09:01] <pitti> I wonder if we set it again later which destroys the value set there
[09:04] <Laney> Oct 04 10:03:48 yakkety-vm sh[2205]: dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XMODIFIERS=@im
[09:04] <Laney> Hmm
[09:04] <Laney> so it's gnome-session calling that
[09:07] <Laney> it still doesn't quite make sense
[09:07] <Laney> why would XMODIFIERS have the wrong value there?
[09:10] <Laney> yeah - adding systemctl --user show-environment to the end of im-config.service shows it's wrong there even
[09:17] <pitti> Laney: hm, but if d-u-a-e already shows it wrong, then the var already gets the wrong value assigned; perhaps im-config.service is just running too early and needs to wait on someting else?
[09:18] <Laney> pitti: d-u-a-e shows it *right*, but show-environment shows it wrong
[09:19] <pitti> Laney | Oct 04 10:03:48 yakkety-vm sh[2205]: dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XMODIFIERS=@im
[09:19] <pitti> that doesn't look right to me
[09:20] <Laney> pitti: That one was from a later call in gnome-session
[09:20] <Laney> that's just d-u-a-e --all re-setting it
[09:20] <Laney> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-config/+bug/1630090/comments/2 <- this is all from im-config itself
[09:22] <dholbach> hiya
[09:22] <dholbach> are https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/unity-settings-daemon/lp1542699/+merge/288952 and https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity-settings-daemon/lp1554878/+merge/307407 things we still want to get into yakkety?
[09:22] <dholbach> can somebody take a look?
[09:31]  * willcooke -> train
[09:35] <Laney> wtf
[09:36] <Laney> pitti: It's destroyed after the initctl set-env
[09:37] <pitti> Laney: finished unbreaking autopkgtest stuff; I need to run for a quick errand, will then look at this
[09:40] <Laney> It's something to do with the eval
[09:59] <Laney> I bet it's upstart forwarding the activation environment to dbus
[10:05] <Laney> split_vars = NIH_MUST (nih_str_split (dbus_vars[0], envvar, "=", FALSE));
[10:05] <Laney> it's totally this
[10:07] <pitti> Laney: how does that influence d-u-a-e?
[10:07] <pitti> or does upstart get to write its value slightly later?
[10:07] <pitti> how did that work in x then..
[10:07] <Laney> initctl is called second
[10:07] <Laney> and calls UpdateActivationEnvironment
[10:07] <Laney> which overwrites this
[10:08] <Laney> probably got it by the regular environment and not the d-u-a-e'd one then
[10:08] <Laney> or the upstart one (also correct)
[10:08] <pitti> ah
[10:08] <pitti> because we directly started stuff from upstart, not via dbus
[10:08] <Laney> so you can workaround by reversing the calls
[10:09] <Laney> initctl then d-u-a-e
[10:09] <pitti> well spotted
[10:09] <pitti> Laney: thanks for accepting gnome-session, btw; I figured someone would ask me bits about it, but then again we don't actually use this new magic yet (as long as upstart is installed)
[10:10] <pitti> the script is still long, but conceptually a lot simpler now, and no polling loops any more \o/
[10:10] <Laney> pitti: It wasn't me - I actually wanted to test it but it was already accepted by the time I got there :)
[10:11] <pitti> I think I actually must add the Requires=graphical-desktop-pre.target back (as nothing currently pulls that in), will think about that
[10:11] <Laney> are you going to do the upstart one as well?
[10:11] <pitti> Laney: fewer polling loops there (in particular not the one that runs during the session); I can change it in a similar fashion, yes
[10:11] <pitti> I actually pondered just replacing the whole thing with a call to run-systemd-session
[10:12] <pitti> but upstart is meant to run all kinds of sessions, so we can't rely on gnome-session being installed
[10:12] <Laney> I wondered if you shouldn't stop $1 (ubuntu-session.target) too?
[10:12] <pitti> so I guess I'll just continue to duplicate the code
[10:12] <Laney> or does it have BindsTo?
[10:12] <pitti> as soon as that indicator silo lands (if ever :( ), I'll port the lightdm session and then it's gone anyway
[10:12] <pitti> Laney: no need to -- systemctl start --wait already waits until it stopped
[10:13] <pitti> and if gnome-session stops, so does the target (BindsTo)
[10:13] <Laney> I think it's ubuntu-session.target BindsTo=graphical-session.target -> stopping graphical-session.target is enough
[10:13] <Laney> for the "lingering active" case
[10:14] <pitti> the script stops both before starting again, to clean up after X crashes
[10:14] <pitti> and I don't think we can get rid of that easily, as run-systemd-session itself might be killed too
[10:14] <Laney> it's okay I think
[10:15] <pitti> Laney: so for the upstart one I could replace the "wait until units finished stopping" with the "generate Requires/After=g-s-pre.target and stop pre.target"
[10:16] <pitti> which is conceptually nicer, but harder to do in shell (until we either fix https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3750 or add After=g-s-pre to all units)
[10:24] <pitti> Laney: want me to test/upload the im-config fix, or are you at it?
[10:24] <Laney> pitti: I am, but it doesn't work(!)
[10:24] <Laney> something else must be setting it too
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've attached a debdiff to #797485
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> How to I approve the Xenial nomination?
[10:36] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: I believe you need to have upload rights to the package to nominate for a series (or there might be other ways to have that LP permission)
[10:37] <jbicha> *to approve the nomination
[10:37] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I thought so. There was mention of attaching a patching should approve it.
[10:37] <flexiondotorg> But I must have mis-understood.
[10:40] <jbicha> it might be nice if at least ~ubuntu-dev could mark a bug in any Ubuntu package as affecting a series
[10:42] <Laney> ubuntu-dev is in bug control, so that should work
[10:43] <Laney> unless I forgot the perissions
[10:45] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I was saying that you shouldn't need to ping anyone at all, because the person that sponsors can approve the nomination when they do that
[10:45] <Laney> I'm not sure that the thing will show up on the overview if all tasks are Fix Released though (that would be a nice thing to fix)
[10:46] <jbicha> if you have upload rights for any pkg in a bug, you can mark the bug (and all its attached pkgs) for a series, so there's a workaround hack there
[10:47] <Laney> I don't want a workflow where someone has to be interrupted to approve a nomination for every SRU
[10:47] <Laney> nominate, attach, subscribe should be enough
[10:48] <jbicha> Laney: should I open a bug against Launchpad for bugcontrol being unable to mark pkgs for a series?
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I understand the process now. I won't ping needlessly from now on.
[10:49] <Laney> jbicha: I probably forgot what the intention is
[10:49] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I think there might have been a hole in this case though
[10:49] <Laney> since all the tasks were Fix Released, it may have been hidden from http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[10:50] <Laney> not sure - and I foolishly approved it, so we won't know this time :)
[10:55] <Laney> pitti: argh!
[10:55] <Laney> gnome-session soes some environment variable propagation too
[10:55] <Laney> s/soes/does/
[10:55] <Laney> :(
[10:55] <pitti> Laney: and that misparses it too?
[10:56] <Laney> it calls into to upstart
[10:56] <pitti> ah
[10:56] <Laney> so just hits the exact same bug again
[10:56]  * Laney stabs
[10:56] <Laney> we *really* wanted the environment to be right :)
[10:56] <pitti> is that in gnome-session's binary? I can't see it in /usr/lib/systemd/user/gnome-session.service
[10:56] <Laney> yep
[10:56] <Laney> dbus calls in code
[10:57] <Laney> probably can do the same trick of swapping the order
[10:57] <Laney> any more though and it'll start becoming more profitable to fix upstart
[10:57] <pitti> Laney: btw, I committed your upstart chagne to bzr, and committed a release tag to gnome-session; your local bzr repo might be diverted now
[10:58] <pitti> why do we need to set it multiple times in the first place? shouldn't im-config.{service,conf} suffice for that?
[10:58] <pitti> or did we try to work around a too random startup sequence?
[10:59] <Laney> pitti: Thanks - I had a tag for g-session but evidently didn't push it
[10:59] <Laney> g-session sets a lot of things of which XMODIFIERS is just one
[11:00] <Laney> this is some kind of technical debt
[11:00] <pitti> so it re-computes the value for it, or just takes it from its env and pokes it back into dbus?
[11:00] <Laney> both - it tries to fix up bad values
[11:01] <Laney> and it still acts as the session root too, so poking things around is kind of right for it to do
[11:01] <pitti> *nod*
[11:04]  * Laney crosses fingers
[11:04] <Laney> nope :|
[11:05] <Laney> wait, did I install it? ¬_¬
[11:05] <Laney> la la la
[11:06] <Laney> laney@yakkety-vm:~$ strings /proc/$(pidof compiz)/environ | grep XMODIFIERS
[11:06] <Laney> XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
[11:07] <pitti> WINNER!
[11:07] <Laney> phew!
[11:07]  * Laney uploads
[11:08] <pitti> Laney: one second
[11:09] <pitti> Laney: I'd like to slip in a change to gnome-session
[11:09] <Laney> haha
[11:10] <Laney> ok, give me a second to push
[11:12] <jbicha> Laney: filed bug 1630206
[11:13] <pitti> Laney: can I remove your tag and push --overwrite?
[11:13] <pitti> Laney: sorry, nevermind, you  didn't push your current changes yet
[11:14] <Laney> pitti: Just pushed the environment variable stuff; /me is hands off now
[11:15] <Laney> jbicha: good luck ;-)
[11:15] <Laney> I think it would also be good to fix the sponsor queue to show such bugs
[11:16] <pitti> Laney: pushed my change too
[11:16]  * pitti uploads
[11:16] <Laney> *this* is the final one, for real guys!
[11:16] <pitti> not until ubuntu42!
[11:17] <pitti> Laney: so I think formally you need to review gnome-session from the queue; you have my review ack for your change
[11:17] <pitti> well, s/you need/someone else than me needs/
[11:17] <Laney> sure
[11:18] <Laney> I'll swap with you for im-config
[11:18] <pitti> *nod*
[11:19]  * pitti doing queue review ATM anyway
[11:19] <Laney> $$v=$$(eval "echo \\$$$${v}") is an aesthetically pleasing piece of shell
[11:21]  * pitti takes the cat off the keyboard
[11:22] <pitti> Laney: of course I just effortlessly typed that in, and it totally worked at the first try
[11:22] <pitti> *smirk*
[11:22] <pitti> lunch o'clock
[11:22]  * flexiondotorg goes salad hunting...
[11:22] <Laney> pitti: heh
[11:22] <Laney> systemd is definitely not on your side if you want to write complicated logic into units
[11:24] <ogra_> systemd is evil ... it made me run out of popcorn this weekend
[11:25] <jbicha> ogra_: you have systemd in your popcorn maker? :)
[11:26] <ogra_> lol, no, but i made the mistake to read all the flame comments :)
[11:27] <Laney> we should have a referendum about it
[11:27] <Laney> sexit
[11:28] <ogra_> haha
[11:30]  * willcooke --> office
[11:31] <Laney> what's going on there?
[11:31] <davmor2> willcooke: when you get there pick on popey from me ;)
[11:31] <willcooke> Laney, meeting
[11:31] <willcooke> davmor2, consider it done
[11:31] <davmor2> willcooke: good man
[11:32] <Laney> enlightening!
[11:41] <Laney> willcooke: maybe you could chase the non-banded wallpaper while there? ;-)
[11:42] <willcooke> Laney, been having some back and forth with them on that, but yeah, I will pop and see them this afternoon
[11:42] <Laney> win
[11:42] <Laney> always fun in the design area
[12:14] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock hi
[12:14] <hikiko> [15:02:09] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock if you have some time could you please review the move plugin additions, the expo bug and a grid low gfx optimisation here: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.fix-expo-gap-bug/+merge/304076 https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.move-additions/+merge/305008 https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.grid-blend-option/+merge/305094
[12:14] <hikiko> [15:13:52] <hikiko> https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.opt-when-no-blur/+merge/300864 and this one too if possible
[12:14] <hikiko> I accidentally wrote that in ubuntukylin-desktop instead of ubuntu-desktop \m/
[12:15] <Trevinho> hikiko: jey
[12:15] <Trevinho> hikiko: no worries
[12:15] <hikiko> then was wondering why nobody replies :p
[12:15] <Trevinho> hikiko: i'll check that
[12:15] <hikiko> thanks Trevinho
[12:15] <hikiko> :)
[12:25]  * flexiondotorg returns
[13:05] <desrt> hi all
[13:42] <flexiondotorg> desrt, o/
[14:22] <Trevinho> hikiko: as for the compiz expo gap there was a comment requesting you to fix another issue
[14:22] <Trevinho> did you see it?
[14:23] <hikiko> the top gap?
[14:24] <hikiko> Trevinho, do you mean the top gap?
[14:24] <hikiko> let me see
[14:24] <Trevinho> hikiko: yes
[14:25] <hikiko> doesn't it work now?
[14:26] <hikiko> Trevinho, I think you shouldn't see it anymore
[14:26] <hikiko> I made a change that seemed to work for me
[14:27] <hikiko> it's in the branch
[14:27] <Trevinho> hikiko: I commented after testsing the branch, there is still an issue
[14:27] <hikiko> mmm I didn't see the other comment wait a sec
[14:28] <hikiko> wtf I can't find the other comment
[14:30] <hikiko> Trevinho, that's the only comment I see: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.fix-expo-gap-bug/+merge/304076/comments/785316
[14:30] <Trevinho> hikiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.fix-expo-gap-bug/+merge/304076/comments/785316
[14:30] <Trevinho> hikiko: that's the one... I don't see any change pushed after that comment
[14:30] <Trevinho> thus I think that anything has changed
[14:31] <Trevinho> hikiko: sorry
[14:31] <Trevinho> hikiko: my bad... In general new commmits were listed afterwards
[14:31] <hikiko> maybe it wasn't refreshed
[14:32] <hikiko> btw this bug pre-existed it wasn't caused by the bottom launcher change
[14:35] <Trevinho> hikiko: might be, yeah.. but it made it visible :-)
[14:35] <hikiko> yup
[14:35] <hikiko> but you still see it now?
[14:35] <hikiko> it should not be seen anymore
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-10-04
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct  4 15:30:28 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (hols), flexiondotorg, happyaron (hols), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128 (hols), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <qengho> Aiee!
[15:30] <andyrock> o/
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:30] <willcooke> Hi all, sorry for the urgent start, dashing around a bit here
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:31] <willcooke> Laney, got a meeting with design in 30 mins
[15:31] <dgadomski> hi
[15:31] <Laney> nice
[15:33] <willcooke> oki, let's run through this then...
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey all
[15:33] <andyrock> working on unity8
[15:34] <andyrock> some work to finish the tooltips and all related branches
[15:34] <andyrock> + some inital work to make unity8 launcher mouse pointer aware
[15:34] <andyrock> eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> fixed some issues with combo boxes not popping up their menus properly in gtk
[15:35] <attente> working on gtk-mir clipboard support via content-hub
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> coolio, thanks attente
[15:36] <willcooke> skipping desrt who is out (missed that on the roll call)
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> * updating snaps before offering upstream
[15:36] <dgadomski> * working on bug #1550983
[15:36] <dgadomski> * debugging an issue similar to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815807
[15:36] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> Hiya!
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> • Completed all New Starter tasks.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> • Raised tickets to get @ubuntu.com email aliases (to conform to Ubuntu Engineering Email policy) and updated signing keys.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> • Some time invested in refining my work-flow using 'yadm' and 'direnv'.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> • Completed travel arrangements for UES Sprint.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> • Looked at  humanity-icon-theme (adding missing icon symlinks) but it  was fixed before I got to it :-) (LP: #1623768)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> • Created debdiff (add symlink to /usr/bin/browse) for xdg-utils  for Yakkety and Xenial SRU and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors (LP: #1624022)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> • Created debdiff (fix image rotation) for nautilus-image-converter Xenial SRU and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors (LP: #1581094)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> • Created debdiff (prevent segfault) for gnome-calculator for a Xenial SRU and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors (LP: #1622379)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> • Created debdiff (hide floatingbar on hover) for nautilus for a Xenial SRU and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors (LP: #797485)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> • Started testing Ubuntu 16.10 daily images on hardware.
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> good stuff!  thanks flexiondotorg
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:38] <willcooke> - I spent most of the time debugging unity, also looked at the rolling
[15:38] <willcooke> windows bug but I haven't fix it yet.
[15:38] <willcooke> - I also finalized some stuff for the low gfx mode and I am looking for
[15:38] <willcooke> further optimisations that could be done in compiz and unity.
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:39] <Laney> hi pals
[15:39] <Laney> • Made Unity 7 have XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity:Unity7, so that the new terminal could have NotShowIn=Unity7. This exposed a few bugs where stuff assumed there was one value in the variable. I fixed a lot of these, but not being confident this close to release that I can get them all, reverted it and applied another (hacky) fix.
[15:39] <Laney> • Patch piloted & reviewed stuff for f_lexiondotorg and Kylin
[15:39] <Laney> • Some fixes to gnome-session & upstart for unclean session recovery (systemd)
[15:39] <Laney> • Debugging of bad environment variable propagation affecting im-config (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-config/+bug/1630090) - thanks to pitti for the help / rubber ducking
[15:39] <Laney> • Much MUCH queue review
[15:39] <Laney> • Testing of non-stripping of .pyc files on the Ubuntu Desktop ISO & coming up with a plan of implementation (Z-cycle)
[15:39] <Laney> • Theme fixes & landing (hidpi icons branch)
[15:39] <Laney> • Deployment of new armhf-on-arm64 lxd workers for autopkgtest, thanks pitti²
[15:39] <Laney> • Now: investigating overlapping nautilus icons (#1611955, doesn't happen every time)
[15:39] <Laney> 😭
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:40] <qengho> Hello, my pretties.
[15:40] <qengho> * Final switching of Cr build system from GYP to GN. GYP dies with v54. REALLY wants me to use clang. :(
[15:40] <qengho> * Fixed Cr 53.0.2785.143 for Y. Was a libc/kernel incompatibiltiy bug. Gave to #security for upload.
[15:40] <qengho> * New version of browser snap. 2 hours after upstream release. So nice.
[15:41] <qengho> * Sent Google API trouble through side channels.
[15:41] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho, keep me posted on $GOOG
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:41] <qengho> ack
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - Friday PTO, Monday national holiday
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - bumped LibreOffice on Yakkety to 5.2.2 (thanks Laney for sponsoring)
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- we needed an upload anyway for libabw transition
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- also seems to have fixed bug 1619442, yay
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - build LibreOffice 5.2.2 as snap
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- tried to upload, but store rejected with "oops" lacking any further feedback, couldnt find help about it => punted
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - Currently working again on a CGAified theme using ugly colors to find out what triggers the theming for bug 1527053
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- (looks e.g. like this: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/ambience-cga.png)
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- good progress, should yield another vendor patch like bug 1562513 did => 0-day SRU candidate?
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - upsteam bug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101898 likely also a candidate for a 0-day SRU?
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - finally a heads-up: Xorg guys might want to have a look at bug 1625595, corrupted rendering on Intel drivers
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:41] <Laney> 4 day weekend YEEHAW
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> ;)
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:42] <willcooke> * More work on bug 1574324. More info was posted to the bug from another user experiencing the bug, who has also started digging through code, which is helpful.
[15:42] <willcooke> * Uploaded more fixes for the ubuntu terminal app.
[15:42] <willcooke> * Yakkety iso testing, experiencing a weird bug on a UEFI machine where the UEFI entry for Ubuntu is not added, but can't easily reproduce. Accessibility profile activation works when done from the desktop, but not in installer only mode. Not entirely bothered by this, its not an LTS and probably can't easily be fixed by release.
[15:43] <willcooke> poor bot
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:44] <willcooke> need to move on, we can come back
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Fixed a bug in ListItemLayout paddings
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Contiued the work in slots layout based menu items
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Done a cleanup of unity8 menu item factory to use new capabilities
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Created Touch and Pointer styles for Ubuntu settings components (menu items)
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Workin in the new calendar indicator UI
[15:45] <Trevinho> · A libdbusmenu review, landing and SRU
[15:45] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:46] <willcooke> Forgot update again ;P
[15:46] <willcooke> But he's been landing lots of fixes in to G-S
[15:46] <willcooke> snapdlib-glib is pending a security review.  It's next in the queue right after the last 2 u8 related ones
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:47] <willcooke> Potentially seeding U8 before the reviews are complete to get a bit more runway for testing.  Being discussed with Foundations and others atm
[15:47] <willcooke> Please do some ISO testing over the next few weeks
[15:47] <Laney> it is seeded
[15:47] <Laney> just the promotion needs executing to make it come onto the iso
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks for the clarification
[15:48] <Laney> just makes it someone else's work than me :P
[15:48] <willcooke> :DD
[15:48] <willcooke> erm,
[15:48] <willcooke> call for topics.  Please see my email on that topic
[15:48] <willcooke> I think that's all
[15:48] <willcooke> anyone got anything to share?
[15:49] <willcooke> going once....
[15:49] <willcooke> twice
[15:49] <willcooke> thrice
[15:50] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  4 15:50:12 2016 UTC.
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-10-04-15.30.moin.txt
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:50] <Laney> efficient
[15:50]  * willcooke dashes
[15:50] <Laney> Sweet5hark: 101898
[15:50] <Laney> hilarious
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> Laney: ya :/
[15:53] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: if I had known you wanted to work on the humany icon name bug, I would have left it for you :)
[15:53] <flexiondotorg> ;-)
[15:54] <jbicha> I don't mind the totem icon anyway :)
[16:27] <Laney> What
[16:27] <Laney> the nautilus bug just randomly disappeared
[16:27]  * Laney cries
[16:27] <jbicha> which nautilus bug?
[16:28] <Laney> haha
[16:28] <Laney> hi jbicha
[16:28] <Laney> overlapping icons thingy
[16:29] <jbicha> just disable desktop icons ;)
[16:29] <Laney> good idea
[16:29] <Laney> they encourage bad behaviour anyway
[16:32] <Laney> got it
[17:04] <Laney> meh
[17:04] <Laney> you win for today, nautilus
[17:04]  * Laney schedules round 2 for 09:00 tomorrow
[17:04] <Laney> o/
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> Right, LP: #1576424 is sorted :-)
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> Good stopping point I think.
[17:15] <flexiondotorg> Until tomorrow desktopers...