[17:54] <toddy> hi there :)
[17:57] <ara> hello!
[18:00] <ara> Hello all
[18:01] <toddy> hello ara
[18:02] <ara> I think there is only three of us for the meeting, but we should get started
[18:02] <ara> let see how the bot works
[18:02] <ara> [STARTMEETING]
[18:02] <ara> mmm
[18:02] <ara> didn't work
[18:02] <toddy> #startmeeting ?
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[18:03] <toddy> :)
[18:03] <toddy> #endmeeting
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[18:03] <toddy> and now you, ara
[18:03] <ara> cool!
[18:03] <ara> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <ara> Agenda:
[18:03] <ara> Goals of the group. How we are going to decide on them. -- [ara]
[18:03] <ara> Next meeting -- [ara]
[18:03] <ara> IRC channel -- [ara]
[18:03] <ara> Intertech panel? -- [ara]
[18:04] <ara> mmm, I think I was the only one submitting topics :)
[18:04] <ara> so, let's hope the any other business show something else
[18:04] <Deindre> would we wait a minute?
[18:04] <ara> sure
[18:05] <ara> we are not that many people
[18:05] <ara> if that's fine with toddy as well
[18:05] <Deindre> maybe someone is still around
[18:05] <toddy> ok
[18:10] <ara> OK; it is ten past, I think we can get started
[18:10] <ara> #topic Goals of the group. How we are going to decide on them.
[18:11] <ara> I think we need two things:
[18:11] <ara>  * The "BIG" goal for the group (why we exist)
[18:11] <ara>  * How we plan to accomplish that goal (the little steps towards that goal).
[18:11] <ara> How we are going to define the "BIG" goal? Shall someone give it a try and propose it to the mailing list?
[18:11] <ara> well, first of all maybe we should decide whether meetings are the best communication channel
[18:11] <ara> it is difficult to make decision with only 3 people showing
[18:11] <ara> what do you guys think?
[18:12] <Deindre> I think that generally IRC works fine
[18:13] <toddy> For the goals we should use the mailinglist, i think
[18:14] <ara> but do we agree that we need those two things? maybe we need to set up a wiki or something for people to put the ideas there
[18:16] <toddy> Yes I think that we need these things. A wikipage is good to collective some suggestions
[18:17] <ara> toddy, do you want to give it a try? or do you prefer someone else to create the initial content (by content I mean, the needed sections, etc)
[18:18] <toddy> I can do this. But not today.
[18:18] <ara> toddy, sure, no pressure :)
[18:18] <toddy> ok :)
[18:18] <ara> toddy, thanks!
[18:19] <ara> #action toddy to create a basic wiki page as a placeholder for people to collaborate on the BIG goal and how to get there and share it in the mailing list when done (no deadline)
[18:19] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy to create a basic wiki page as a placeholder for people to collaborate on the BIG goal and how to get there and share it in the mailing list when done (no deadline)
[18:20] <ara> OK, anything else on this topic?
[18:21] <ara> OK, moving on
[18:21] <ara> #topic Next meeting -- [ara]
[18:21] <ara> OK, I was going to propose this same hour, every other week, or monthly, but it seems that it may not work so well
[18:23] <toddy> maybe. but it was the best date (doodle)
[18:23] <ara> yes, but, again, I don't think we are enough people to decide
[18:23] <ara> Let's defer it
[18:24] <toddy> ok
[18:24] <ara> #topic IRC channel -- [ara]
[18:25] <ara> I wanted to discuss the IRC channel
[18:25] <ara> when I tried to join #ubuntu-lgbt, it redirected me to #ubuntu-for-all
[18:25] <toddy> we need a topic :)
[18:25] <ara> hey koen_
[18:25] <koen_> heya
[18:25] <koen_> sorry I'm late
[18:25] <toddy> hi koen_
[18:25] <ara> koen_, no worries
[18:25] <ara> koen_, we are discussing the irc channel
[18:26] <ara>  when I tried to join #ubuntu-lgbt, it redirected me to #ubuntu-for-all
[18:26] <ara> so, someone already created this link
[18:26] <ara> if we think we need our own channel, I can try to discover who is in charce of #ubuntu-for-all
[18:26] <ara> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll
[18:27] <ara> what do you guys think?
[18:27] <Deindre> ara: is this channel logged?
[18:28] <ara> not sure, let's see
[18:28] <toddy> the mail-list of those group is nearly dead: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-for-all/
[18:28] <ara> it is: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/04/%23ubuntu-for-all.html
[18:29] <Deindre> ok
[18:29] <ara> Deindre, what do you think?
[18:30] <Deindre> I think we should set a unique brand: Ubuntu for all sounds very good to me, it's very inclusive
[18:31] <toddy> ubuntu-for-all is okay for me.
[18:31] <Deindre> do you want to use LGBT list for mailing list and Ubuntu for all as IRC channel?
[18:32] <Deindre> I think it could be confusing, but it seems useless open a new channel
[18:32] <koen_> I guess both should be the same, right?
[18:32] <ara> I would prefer to keep ubuntu-lgbt for both, but that's just a personal preference
[18:32] <Deindre> I think we should use the same name for both
[18:32] <toddy> that is not optimal if it has not the same name
[18:33] <Deindre> I think we could vote on ML which name is more suitable for the most of us
[18:34] <ara> sounds good
[18:34] <toddy> yes
[18:34] <ara> OK, I will send the options to the mailing list
[18:34] <Deindre> thank you ara
[18:35] <ara> #action ara to send a poll to the ML on whether to use ubuntu-lgtb (both ML and IRC channel) or ubuntu-for-allç
[18:35] <meetingology> ACTION: ara to send a poll to the ML on whether to use ubuntu-lgtb (both ML and IRC channel) or ubuntu-for-allç
[18:35] <ara> OK, let's move on
[18:35] <ara> #topic Intertech
[18:35] <ara> through a friend, I found this panel: http://www.intertechlgbt.com
[18:36] <ara> it is a bit UK centric, but I was wondering whether we should contact them to let them know we are around, in case we can collaborate or learn from them
[18:36] <Deindre> Moreover I'm a close friend of one of the most important LGBT activist in Italy. I would like to ask her tips to how to build our community
[18:36] <Deindre> what's your take on it?
[18:39] <ara> sounds good to me, any help is always welcome
[18:40] <koen_> definitely
[18:40] <toddy> yes
[18:41] <ara> what about intertech? do you think it could be helpful?
[18:41] <koen_> could we get any help from someone from the Ubuntu community/Canonical as well?
[18:42] <koen_> it seems that building a worldwide digital network is a whole different story from setting up a national & offline one
[18:42] <Deindre> I think intertech could be really useful
[18:42] <koen_> agree
[18:43] <toddy> yes, I agree, too. Maybe we can learn something from the intertechs.
[18:43] <koen_> btw, is this meeting logged (live) anywhere?
[18:44] <ara> koen_, once finished, it will have a link
[18:45] <ara> OK, I will contact intertech and see what they are about
[18:45] <koen_> ah, thanks ara
[18:46] <ara> and I can contact Jono's team as well if needed/wanted
[18:47] <ara> Anything else on this topic?
[18:48] <ara> OK
[18:48] <ara> #topic Any Other business
[18:49] <ara> Anything else we should be discussing today?
[18:49] <Deindre> I'm fine :)
[18:49] <toddy> I have nothing.
[18:49] <koen_> me neither
[18:49] <ara> Ok, let's wrap up, then
[18:49] <ara> #endmeeting
[18:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov  4 18:50:05 2013 UTC.
[18:49] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-for-all/2013/ubuntu-for-all.2013-11-04-18.04.moin.txt
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[18:50] <Deindre> thanks to all
[18:50] <toddy> yes, thanks
[18:50] <ara> thanks!


[19:58] <s-fox> Who is here for the meeting? coffeecat Iowan howefield
[19:58] <Iowan> o/
[19:58] <howefield> hello s-fox :)
[19:58] <coffeecat> o/
[19:59] <s-fox> Would i be right in thinking i saw something from elfy and iowan about not being able to make it?
[19:59] <coffeecat> Elfy already mentioned that he won't be able to be here.
[19:59] <coffeecat> yes
[19:59] <s-fox> okay
[19:59] <Iowan> Hot off the road - driveway 5 minutes ago.
[19:59] <s-fox> any news on cariboo?
[19:59] <howefield> not that I#m aware of.
[20:00] <s-fox> okay, i guess i'll give him a few minutes
[20:00] <s-fox> are we all well?
[20:00] <howefield> lol
[20:00] <Iowan> HEalthy here!
[20:02] <s-fox> alright, i guess i'll start the meeting
[20:02] <s-fox> #startmeeting Ubuntu Forums Council Meeting
[20:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jun  1 20:02:58 2014 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:02] <s-fox> #chair s-fox
[20:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: s-fox
[20:03] <s-fox> #voters s-fox Iowan coffeecat Iowan howefield
[20:03] <meetingology> Current voters: Iowan coffeecat howefield s-fox
[20:04] <s-fox> Okay, nothing on the agenda. so i guess the main thing to go over is the todo list elfy posted last week
[20:05] <s-fox> I think the list we have now is pretty much everything now, so thank you for putting it together
[20:08] <s-fox> I haven't been online much this week, but it looks like we still need to put up a thread for each of the items
[20:08] <s-fox> I can do that tomorrow, unless anyone wants to do it sooner.
[20:08] <s-fox> Any objections ?
[20:09] <Iowan> I can't find 'em ATM, but i remember some of the items looked interesting...
[20:09] <Iowan> No objections.
[20:09] <howefield> Iowan
[20:09] <howefield> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2225770
[20:09] <s-fox> here is the thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2225770
[20:09] <s-fox> it got stuck
[20:11] <s-fox> #action s-fox to create the starter thread for each of the topics
[20:11] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to create the starter thread for each of the topics
[20:11] <Iowan> probably why I couldn't fine it - who reads stickies? ;)
[20:11] <s-fox> Does anyone have anything else to bring up in the meeting?
[20:11] <Iowan> nothing here.
[20:12] <howefield> nothing for public consumption from me.
[20:12] <coffeecat> nothing
[20:12] <s-fox> Okay, well I will be around properly next week. The docs gave me some meds and i am no longer dying :)
[20:12] <s-fox> sorry, new
[20:13] <howefield> good to hear.
[20:13] <howefield> about no longer dying, I mean.
[20:13] <Iowan> Good news - finding replacement admins is sSUCH a chore ;)
[20:13] <s-fox> lol
[20:13] <howefield> you'd be surprised.
[20:14] <s-fox> oh, i saw something on the ml about someone wanting unbanning.
[20:14] <s-fox> has that been resolved, or is it still ongoing?
[20:14] <coffeecat> that was a recurra-troll if I'm thinking about the same one. At least 4 previous alter egos.
[20:14] <Iowan> Thought howefield got that one...
[20:15] <s-fox> okay, great
[20:15] <Iowan> (not the recurratroll)
[20:15] <howefield> if that is matt114 you refer to, finished as far as I am concerned.
[20:16] <coffeecat> yep - previous was 64bitiso going back to someone we banned who kept trolling at about the time of the forum coming up again after the security breach.
[20:16] <howefield> that's the one.
[20:17] <s-fox> well, glad it's been sorted.
[20:18] <s-fox> I guess one of the few things we have to do this month deciding who will do what
[20:18] <s-fox> who fancies the report?  i don't mind doing it
[20:18] <s-fox> haven't done it for a little while
[20:18] <Iowan> No argument!
[20:19] <s-fox> #action s-fox to do the report
[20:19] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to do the report
[20:20] <s-fox> how are we looking for the archiving at the moment?
[20:20] <s-fox> are we good, or is it outstanding?
[20:20] <coffeecat> archiving?
[20:20] <s-fox> yeah, the old threads
[20:20] <Iowan> Have we done that since re-install?
[20:21] <s-fox> i'm not certain
[20:21] <coffeecat> That's something Elfy seems to be interested in. Can't say I it floats my boat whatsoever.
[20:22] <s-fox> Maybe we should talk more about  it in the threads i'm going to create in the morning
[20:22] <s-fox> i am 99% sure it is one of the items
[20:22] <howefield> makes sense.
[20:22] <Iowan> +1
[20:22] <coffeecat> yes it's in the list. At the top! :)
[20:22] <s-fox> Okay, lets carry on
[20:23] <s-fox> Any other tasks that we try to alternate?
[20:23] <s-fox> the ml to me seems the one that needs to the most "effort"
[20:23] <Iowan> Pretty much everything else is tag-team
[20:23] <coffeecat> I *think* everything else -ml, RC etc - is first-come first do.
[20:23] <s-fox> *report*
[20:23] <s-fox> okay, i am ready to end it and go back to bed :)
[20:23] <howefield> nighty night.
[20:23] <s-fox> good to end it?
[20:24] <Iowan> YEp!
[20:24] <coffeecat> +1
[20:24] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[20:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jun  1 20:24:41 2014 UTC.
[20:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-01-20.02.moin.txt
[20:24] <s-fox> Thank you for coming all :)
[20:24] <Iowan> Thank YOU for chairing!
[20:24] <coffeecat> thanks s-fox
[20:24] <howefield> thanks for chairing s-fox
[20:25] <s-fox> no issue, kinda straight forward and not *that much* to go over
[20:25] <s-fox> anway, nighty night


[11:20] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: FYI, your mesa uploads for #1175533 version-collided with the mesa updates currently in the archive
[11:21] <mlankhorst> ugh!
[11:29] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: not planning on any more patches to mesa are you?
[11:29] <mdeslaur> nope, no open security issues right now
[11:30] <mdeslaur> you'll have to merge in my latest changes to your -proposed packages though, not just bump the version number
[11:30] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: sorry about that
[11:30] <mlankhorst> i know
[11:33] <mlankhorst> https://plus.google.com/104877287288155269055/posts/3zjtEZRvfuN
[11:33] <mlankhorst> "thanks WebGL for turning all the out of bounds access and buffer overflows in Mesa into security bugs, thus making them something I have to deal with."
[11:33] <mdeslaur> hehe, yes :)
[11:39] <tjaalton> win 25
[11:39] <tjaalton> uh
[11:40] <mlankhorst> I'll re-upload in a bit
[23:53] <hyperair> Sarvatt: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59941 <-- just to reconfirm, you don't build the i965g driver, do you?


[22:01] <brousch_> I failed my interview. It's really depressing how badly atrophied my coding skills have become
[22:04] <cmaloney> brousch_: Sorry to hear that. :(
[22:05] <cmaloney> (I can completely relate though)
[22:06] <brousch_> I need to give up sleep and get back into my side projects
[22:06] <brousch_> cmaloney: No job luck on your end?
[22:07] <cmaloney> Either "wait and see" or "You're not what we're looking for".
[22:07] <cmaloney> The temptation is to try to work on some of the growth projects that I have
[22:08] <cmaloney> and see if I can make money from that
[22:08] <cmaloney> but the reality is I need income
[22:08] <cmaloney> sooner than later
[22:09] <cmaloney> so I'm caught between finding something that I want to do and whoring myself out for money
[22:10] <brousch_> Yeah, you have less flexibility than I do in choosing
[22:11] <brousch_> What are you looking for?
[22:11] <cmaloney> Yeah, and nobody but myself to blame for it. :)
[22:11] <cmaloney> Ideally?  Somewhere remote that will allow me to develop
[22:12] <cmaloney> in Python
[22:13] <cmaloney> What I'll likely find? Somewhere that does something devops
[22:15] <brousch_> Quite a bitnof devops out there
[22:15] <cmaloney> What I dread?  It's just ops with a new name since
[22:17] <cmaloney> yeah, and I don't want to do on-call administration
[22:17] <brousch_> Ug
[22:18] <cmaloney> brb, dinner.
[22:18] <brousch_> There is a lot of remote Python drv work. I see it on stackoverflow jobs
[23:14] <cmaloney> Yeah, but there's also a lot that requires Javascript, which is another weakness
[23:15] <cmaloney> I've been on Stack Overflow Jobs for a lot of my search
[23:31] <brousch_> Fucking JavaScript
[23:32] <brousch_> Yeah pure python is really hard to find
[23:32] <jrwren> there is only polyglot. you can accept this or you can live in denial.
[23:33] <brousch_> This is true
[23:33] <brousch_> Even pure python will have make or bash
[23:34] <brousch_> But JavaScript is such an especially filthy mess
[23:38] <cmaloney> I don't mind polyglot. I enjoy languages
[23:38] <cmaloney> but Javascript really grinds my gears
[23:40] <cmaloney> It's like someone took "make it like English" a little too far and only focused on making a muddled mess of exceptional cases.
[23:43] <brousch_> I plan on biting the JavaScript bullet
[23:46] <brousch_> I have plenty of web side projects (Django) to justify it
[23:55] <brousch_> I'm 18% through JavaScript the Good Parts


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[07:37] <dsto> Hello, would you mind to help me moving this bug to the correct package? meta-package "wireless backports generic" depends on a kernel level matching package which is currently missing in the repo. Bug 445931, thanks, dsto
[07:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 445931 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-backports-modules-karmic not installable, dependency problem (affects: 3) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445931
[09:14] <apw> dsto, moved
[09:14] <dsto> apw: thx
[09:17] <apw> dsto this bug is a karmic bug, yet your symtoms are maverick
[09:18] <apw> dsto, are you sure this bug still exists?  the archive is showing a consistent set versions wise
[09:18] <apw> dsto, though the versions are -24 not -23 in the archive right now
[09:19] <dsto> apw: I've seen it this morning, will try on another machine. sec
[09:19] <apw>      linux | 2.6.35-24.42 | maverick-updates | source
[09:19] <apw> linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 | 2.6.35-24.15 | maverick-updates | source
[09:20] <apw> both are 35-24, so if you have -23 your kernel would be out of date
[09:20] <apw> i am supprised that there wouldn't be a -23 of both currently though as they should be held for --security
[09:22] <apw> linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 | 2.6.35-23.13 | maverick-security | source
[09:22] <apw> so that should be in the pool and available.  hrm
[09:26] <apw> dsto, it is possible the packages were promoted t
[09:26] <apw> this morning to -updates and the publisher published half of the updates, if the rare cases that occurs it normally only persists for an hour
[09:27] <apw> so it may be resolved now
[09:31] <dsto> apw: I confirm, it's gone at 2.6.35-24 level.
[09:32] <apw> dsto, great, thanks
[09:32] <apw> i'll clean up that bug
[09:32] <dsto> fine, thank you
[09:33] <apw> dsto, yeah its an issue with the way the publisher works, if a package is promoted at exactly the wrong moment an inconsistent package set can be published for an hour, which is confusing
[09:34] <dsto> the good part: I did not open a new bug and we were able to clean an old one ;-)
[09:34] <apw> dsto, indeed :)
[09:35] <dsto> pleasure having worked with you, take care, have a nice day.
[09:35] <apw> you too
[09:46] <apw> cjwatson, ok confirmed ... adding that memset turns grub into a hard reboot on both warm and _cold_ reboots
[09:46] <apw> cjwatson, so i assume that that buffer is the issue
[09:47]  * apw goes restest with the memset in but the buffer at 0x09...
[10:22] <cjwatson> apw: so I think that may well just mean that we got past one bug only to hit another
[10:22] <cjwatson> apw: and probably means that my valgrind test wasn't extensive enough
[10:22] <cjwatson> though odd for it to break cold reboots
[10:23] <apw> cjwatson, i suspect that for it to break cold it is not something valgrind can see, i suspect there is something we care about in the area
[10:24] <apw> cjwatson, normally we only damage a small section of it, the memset is splatting a far larger chunk and the symtoms are catestrophic, breaking grub itself
[10:24] <cjwatson> rebooting at run-time usually means a unhandled trap - something that would ordinarily a segfault would be sufficient
[10:24] <cjwatson> anyway, let me beat on it for a bit relative to the upstream code and I'll see what I can come up with
[10:24] <cjwatson> if it's breaking cold reboots now then that should be accessible with kvm
[10:25] <apw> cjwatson, sounds good, i have other issues to poke sadly
[10:43] <Keybuk> I'm noticing a pattern here
[10:43]  * apw is all ears
[10:43] <Keybuk> brcm80211 works on days with a 'u' in them
[10:44] <Keybuk> wl works on the other days
[10:44] <apw> nice, a solution for every day :)
[10:44] <Keybuk> except for the weekend, brcm80211 works all weekend
[10:44] <Keybuk> (I actually expect it's something to do with the WiFi router)
[10:45] <Keybuk> wl's failure mode on some is never to lock to a channel, despite being associated, and bounce between 2.4Ghz g, n and 5Ghz a & n
[10:45] <Keybuk> brcm80211 works on those, but it's failure mode on the routers that wl seems to work fine on is ... to kernel panic
[10:46] <apw> Keybuk, the joy of having two drivers
[10:46] <apw> at least they are concentrating resource on the open one
[10:47] <Keybuk> yeah
[10:47] <Keybuk> the best plan at the moment seems to be to have brcm80211 blacklisted and use wl
[10:47] <Keybuk> but then manually switch if wl isn't working
[10:47] <Keybuk> because at least then you switch when the wireless is poo
[10:48] <Keybuk> rather than reboot after a kernel panic and switch in a hurry
[10:52] <apw> Keybuk, did you need to do anything special to get brcm80211 working in general, firmware etc ?
[10:52] <Keybuk> I just grabbed the source from git
[10:52] <Keybuk> fiddled with the Makefile to make it build against the maverick kernel
[10:52] <Keybuk> and grabbed the firmware out of git
[10:52] <apw> Keybuk, ahh on maverick
[10:52] <apw> ok as the driver is built by the looks of it in natty
[10:52] <Keybuk> yeah, I'm staying on maverick this cycle
[10:53] <Keybuk> the firmware for it was in the "linux-firmware" git repo
[10:53] <apw> cool
[10:53] <Keybuk> actually checking my history
[10:53] <Keybuk> I was git clone'ing that
[10:53] <Keybuk> but since I was on wl at the time, in the end I cheated
[10:53] <Keybuk> and installed the brcm80211-firmware package from Debian
[11:00] <apw> heh ... got it to blammo in about 10s ... sweet
[11:09] <apw> Keybuk, heh enabling the brcm driver seems to stop my lappy booting
[11:10] <Keybuk> heh
[11:11] <Keybuk> like I said, the failure mode of that driver is a kernel panic
[11:11] <Keybuk> (or hang)
[11:31] <apw> cirtainly not ready for prime time in natty
[12:46] <czr> hughhalf, thanks for the ftdi-regression kick btw
[13:02] <Keybuk> hmm, here's an interesting gmail test
[13:02] <Keybuk> if I tag all of LKML with one label
[13:02] <Keybuk> and I tag certain people with another
[13:02] <maco> they get two tags
[13:02] <Keybuk> if those people post to LKML, does the entire thread they post in end up under the other label
[13:02] <Keybuk> or just their posts?
[13:03] <maco> in imap or in gmail interface?
[13:03] <Keybuk> gmail interface
[13:03] <maco> entire thread
[13:03] <Keybuk> win
[13:19] <apw> yeah its all thread based as far as i know, 'conversations' sorry
[15:20] <cjwatson> apw: you're right, grub_memset doesn't act the way I thought
[15:20] <cjwatson> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546286/ is no longer in a reboot loop for me - can you see if it fixes your problem?
[15:20] <cjwatson> (more or less the same as before, just with 'for (i = 0; i < n; i++) chosen[i] = -1;'
[15:20] <cjwatson> )
[15:22] <tgardner> cjwatson, apw is out for a bit. he should be back in an hour or so.
[15:22] <cjwatson> no rush
[16:13] <apw> cjwatson, will do
[16:13] <cjwatson> ta
[16:14] <apw> cjwatson, how funny we are back to the one combination i didn't test
[16:15] <cjwatson> heh, and the one I asked you not to test earlier
[16:15] <cjwatson> oh well
[16:15] <apw> cjwatson, shit happens every day, can't worry about such things that is for sure
[16:18] <apw> cjwatson, reality is if my machine compiled this thing faster i would have tested it, so i blame h/w
[16:45] <apw> cjwatson, preliminary result is positive ... need to 100% confirm i have the right kernel bits but looking _good_
[16:45] <cjwatson> whee
[16:45] <apw> cjwatson, what _does_ grub_memset actually do as it doesn't set memory?
[16:45] <cjwatson> I got an ack from upstream for the previous version as well, so I don't think I need to get a separate ack for this one
[16:45] <cjwatson> it *does* set memory, it's a standalone memset
[16:46] <cjwatson> obviously there's some subtle typecasting mistake I missed, but I'm not really interested :)
[16:46] <apw> so really the question is why does it blow its brains out with memset and not with the loop
[16:46] <apw> fair enough indeed
[16:46] <cjwatson> this code is clearer anyway, as you observed earlier
[16:47] <apw> yeah it would need to be well large to make any significant difference we might care about
[16:49] <cjwatson> apw: shall I reassign bug 686705 to grub2 + me, then?
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686705 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "System hangs at GRUB loading screen every warm boot since 2.6.37-3.11 seemingly due to nx-emu patch (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686705
[16:50] <apw> cjwatson, ok stock kernel reboots just fine with that fixed grub
[16:50] <apw> so 'Tested-by: Andy Whitcroft<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:50] <apw> Sarvatt, about ?
[16:51] <Sarvatt> apw: yeah
[16:51] <Sarvatt> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546286/ ?
[16:51] <cjwatson> committed upstream
[16:51] <apw> Sarvatt, i have some binaries for that if you could test
[16:52] <Sarvatt> sure thing! save me a year long compile :)
[16:52] <apw> cjwatson, yes all yours on the bug
[16:52] <cjwatson> Sarvatt: wuss
[16:52]  * Sarvatt digs out that machine
[16:52] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/misc/grub/ ... -pc and -common for i386 in there ... work on my box :)
[16:53] <apw> Sarvatt, yeah she isn't a quick build, about 15 mins here
[16:53] <Sarvatt> oh nice, it apparently hangs after a few days powered off too :)
[16:53] <cjwatson> you can always edit debian/control before building and comment out all the binary stanzas except grub-common and grub-pc; that speeds it up a fair bit
[16:53] <apw> Sarvatt, hrm!
[16:53] <cjwatson> random memory contents I suppose
[16:54] <cjwatson> not a huge surprised
[16:54] <cjwatson> *surprise
[16:54] <apw> cjwatson, normally the bios clears it doesn't it?
[16:54] <apw> you'd hope anyhow
[16:54] <cjwatson> I wouldn't like to rely on that
[16:54] <apw> but yeah it is odd it works reliably the first time if anything ... and perhaps it doesn't :)
[16:54] <cjwatson> wouldn't it take ages anyway?
[16:54] <apw> cjwatson, well it does on large machines yes
[16:54] <cjwatson> in bios terms
[16:55] <apw> though they have to as its all ECCd so has to be cleared to be used
[16:55] <apw> so perhaps not any more with small machines
[16:55]  * apw reboots that machine for the 4th time
[16:56] <apw> sucessfully!
[17:00] <rsalveti> apw: seems we're still missing a meta update for omap 4, the new kernel is there already but it's not being pulled by default
[17:02] <Sarvatt> apw: dingding we have a winner! :)
[17:02] <Sarvatt> 3 reboots fine so far
[17:02] <tgardner> rsalveti, which release?
[17:02] <apw> Sarvatt, thank $deity for that
[17:03] <apw> cjwatson, ^^ i think we have it nailed
[17:03] <rsalveti> tgardner: latest is linux-image-2.6.35-1101-omap4, and meta is <IP_ADDRESS>0.1
[17:03] <tgardner> rsalveti, then you mean natty
[17:03] <apw> tgardner, natty
[17:03] <rsalveti> tgardner: oh, sure
[17:03] <cjwatson> apw: hooray
[17:03] <cjwatson> merging down the line through Debian experimental now
[17:03] <apw> cjwatson, we were lucky to find that one
[17:04] <tgardner> rsalveti, ok, gimme a bit
[17:04] <apw> tgardner, thanks
[17:04] <cjwatson> yeah
[17:04] <apw> cjwatson, i think i mostly noticied it cause they had also mucked up the size bit
[17:05]  * apw happily closes that one on his todo list
[17:05] <rsalveti> tgardner: sure, thanks
[17:05] <Sarvatt> apw, cjwatson: thanks a ton \o/
[17:06] <cjwatson> reassigned to me then
[17:06] <apw> kees, ^^-- seems that the 'NX issue' is indeed a grub bug and now fixed
[17:06] <apw> cjwatson, well i learned a lot about grub2 (that i'd rather not have known) and had practice with quilt patches in debian, so overall worthwhile
[17:11] <tgardner> rsalveti, uploaded linux-meta-ti-omap4_<IP_ADDRESS>1.2
[17:12] <rsalveti> tgardner: great, thanks a lot!
[17:15]  * apw invokes marjo
[17:32] <cjwatson> sigh, "attempt to move .org backwards" only happens with gcc-4.4 not gcc-4.5, that explains why I didn't see it when working upstream
[17:33] <cjwatson> evidently gcc-4.5 generates slightly smaller code
[17:34] <kees> apw, cjwatson: \o/ so glad you guys found that. *whew* nice work. :)
[17:35] <apw> kees, i did think that i was going mad indeed
[17:35] <apw> cjwatson, that explains things
[17:35] <apw> -#define GRUB_KERNEL_I386_PC_RAW_SIZE		0xc90
[17:35] <apw> +//#define GRUB_KERNEL_I386_PC_RAW_SIZE		0xc90
[17:35] <apw> +#define GRUB_KERNEL_I386_PC_RAW_SIZE		0xca8
[17:35] <apw>
[17:35] <apw> -#define GRUB_KERNEL_I386_PC_NO_REED_SOLOMON_PART 0x6f8
[17:35] <apw> +//#define GRUB_KERNEL_I386_PC_NO_REED_SOLOMON_PART 0x6f8
[17:35] <apw> +#define GRUB_KERNEL_I386_PC_NO_REED_SOLOMON_PART 0x710
[17:36] <apw> cjwatson, ^^ i used that on mine
[17:36] <kees> apw: I bet! I spent a few hours comparing the NX patches between maverick and natty trying to see any differences early on. :P
[17:36] <cjwatson> the growth is 20 bytes so I think I'll make it 0x70c
[17:36] <cjwatson> just to parallel that exactly
[17:36] <apw> cjwatson, sensible
[17:36] <apw> you do need to move both i think
[17:37] <cjwatson> yes, you're right
[17:37] <cjwatson> hm, wonder if it needs to be eight-byte-aligned
[17:38] <cjwatson> doesn't look like it, I think four-byte-aligned will do
[17:38] <apw> cjwatson, i'd be supprised if its not 4 or cache aligned ... ie 8 sounds unexpected
[17:38] <cjwatson> the code uses .p2align 2 in various places which is 4 bytes
[17:42] <cjwatson> ok, fixed that upstream too
[18:49] <apw> cjwatson, round and round :)
[19:17]  * tgardner --> lunch
[20:36] <tgardner> apw, I see 2.6.37-rc7 is out.
[20:37] <apw> tgardner, excellent will suck that up now, as i was about to do an upload
[20:37] <tgardner> apw, looks like it wasn't more then an hour orso ago
[20:37] <apw> tgardner, can't have been indeed as i updated about 2 hours ago to see myself
[20:38] <apw> tgardner, perfect timing, this means i can get the cciss bug uploading
[20:38] <apw> and unblock cert
[20:39] <tgardner> apw, I don't think its mirrored yet. I'm not getting the -rc7 tag
[20:39] <apw> tgardner, i get mine from master.k.o and it is there :)
[20:39] <tgardner> cool
[20:39] <apw>    b0c3844..90a8a73  master     -> linus/master
[20:39] <apw>  * [new tag]         v2.6.37-rc7 -> v2.6.37-rc7
[21:18] <tgardner> apw, do you know anything about the ALSA c-o-t-d builds?
[21:27] <apw> tgardner, hmmm, no not really i think they are bjf's fun arn't they
[21:28] <tgardner> apw, well, he's got the right perms on his zinc repo, so I was able to push an ABI bumper commit.
[21:28] <tgardner> hopefully the automated scripts will pick it up
[21:29] <apw> tgardner, ahh i see ... they run on tang i think
[21:30] <tgardner> apw, do you suppose he pulls from his zinc repo?
[21:30] <apw> tgardner, may i suggest you add the subject to the rally agenda, so he can document/transfer the knowledge
[21:31] <tgardner> apw, what a good idea :)
[21:31] <apw> tgardner, ok not tang then as he only makes the isos there
[21:32] <tgardner> apw, dang, linux-meta_<IP_ADDRESS>.29_source.changes rejected again. wtf?
[21:32] <apw> bubble
[21:33] <hughhalf> czr (belatedly - you're welcome)
[21:33] <tgardner> apw, I think I've lost interest for the day. see you in my AM


[18:34] <lvsmmusic> hardware accelerated video playback for nvidia seems broken from few days, can someone confirm this?


[00:33] <Doonz> hey guys. Im trying to get apache2 to listen on a different port. But it will not work other than on port 80. no firewalls or anything blocking me
[02:11] <qman__> Doonz, two things must be changed
[02:12] <qman__> Add your port to /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[02:13] <qman__> and then configure your site to listen on said port, <Virtualhost *:[port]>
[02:34] <NoobFukaire> I've read in places that xen isn't supported on the latest LTS (lucid)
[02:34] <NoobFukaire> is that the case?
[02:42] <paul_whipp> newbie question: I've set up and run EC2 instances on us-east-1 with ec2-run-instances command but when I try to start a ap-southeast-1 ami I get "Client.InvalidAMIID.NotFound: The AMI ID 'ami-ea1e60b8' does not exist". How do I switch zones so I can run this instance there?
[02:52] <paul_whipp> It seems the only ubuntu amis I can launch are in us-east-1. Is this something in my config?
[06:07] <knolls> after i installed xubuntu-desktop grub doesn't give me options on bootup it just runs memtest86
[06:08] <ScottK> knolls: Xubuntu is off topic for this channel.  Try #xubuntu.
[06:09] <knolls> well my original installation was ubuntu-server, and my problem may not be related to me installing xubuntu-desktop
[06:10] <knolls> just wondering if anyone has seen this problem
[06:13] <ScottK> Did you try running update-grub?
[06:14] <vsd20c_> anyone know the difference to private and public cloud? is it just Internet connectivity?
[06:27] <KurtKraut> vsd20c_, usually, yes.
[08:45] <caution> how can I create several screen sessions, each running a command on startup?
[08:46] <caution> rephrased: how can I create several screen sessions on startup with each running a command?
[10:31] <JasonLeschnik_> Hey all
[10:31] <JasonLeschnik_> Have many Ubuntu Server admins moved to *BSD?
[11:34] <qman__> I saw 10.10 is up on the site, but the torrents aren't working
[11:34] <qman__> I get
[11:34] <qman__> rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
[11:34] <qman__> Problem connecting to tracker - [Errno 101] Network is unreachable
[11:40] <remix_tj> qman__: i think is too early to get the torrent dowloading
[11:48] <yann2> mmmh is seems that nagios-nrpe-server is in main and is missing an UFW profile
[11:48] <yann2> (lucid)
[11:49] <yann2> is that a bug or a wishlist?
[12:52] <xfaf> working toay?
[13:16]  * RoyK rarely works on sundays
[16:35] <cipher__> anyone been able to upgrade yet?
[16:36] <cipher__> arg..
[16:37] <shauno> haven't tried, to be honest; I imagine most the servers are hating life right now
[16:37] <padhu> cipher__: wait for short time
[16:38] <cipher__> just need it to get my myhtv back
[16:38] <demonspork> so you already upgraded?
[16:40] <cipher__> my desktops yes
[16:40] <cipher__> but server isn't ready
[17:05] <xperia> hello to all. i am having big problems with installing/removing the package "proftpd". as first i cant remove it after the install as it breaks everytime with the error message "debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat". Reinstalling dont want to work too. can anybody help me with this problem ?
[17:08] <xperia> i have installed it first that way "sudo apt-get install proftpd" but after some seconds it stopped with installing the packages and outputed some error messages. it looks like i needed to install "proftpd-basic"
[17:40] <qman__> xperia, your problem is not directly the proftpd package, but rather your debconf system
[17:40] <qman__> something is wrong with the package manager
[17:41] <qman__> I don't know exactly how to fix it, but that file is a part of the package manager, and until that problem is resolved, you will not be able to install, remove, upgrade, or otherwise change packages
[17:42] <xperia> hmmm but before i installed proftpd everything worked. i checked now the directory "/var/cache" with ls -la and i dont have any debconf/config.dat dir and files there
[17:43] <qman__> try this
[17:43] <qman__> sudo mkdir /var/cache/debconf; sudo touch /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[17:44] <qman__> what most likely happened is that something broke prior to or during the install of proftpd
[17:44] <qman__> not as a direct result of the proftpd package
[17:44] <qman__> but some other issue
[17:45] <xperia> qman__; thanks a lot. will try it out. think i removed it manually this dir and file some days agao
[17:47] <xperia> qman__: you are great it worked awesome ;-) thanks a lot man !
[17:48] <alex88> hi, i'm trying to mount a samba share
[17:48] <alex88> with smbfs
[17:48] <xperia> just need now some good howto for proftpd-basic. the one in the community help wiki is not very helpfull
[17:50] <alex88> i has no pass and command "sudo mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/LaCie /media/samba/" says "Unable to find suitable address."
[17:50] <alex88> O.o..sorry
[17:52] <enquora> do-release-upgrade isn't seeing 10.10. There's something I need to change to allow upgrading an LTS version to non-LTS, isn't there?
[17:54] <alex88> enquora: command line?
[17:55] <enquora> yes
[17:55] <alex88> sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[17:56] <enquora> alex88: no upgrades available.
[17:57] <alex88> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades tried this?
[17:57] <enquora> I remember needing to change something when running 8.04 to recognize non-LTS upgrades, but I've forgotten what
[17:58] <alex88> that page shows how
[17:58] <enquora> alex88: "no new release found"
[17:58] <enquora> want to perform a network upgrade
[17:59] <alex88> edited /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades etc?
[18:00] <enquora> that is probably it
[18:01] <hggdh> yes, this is it
[18:02] <alex88> i've told you to read that page..why you haven't done those steps?
[18:03] <enquora> I've read the page and don't see any reference to that
[18:03] <enquora> ok, there it is
[18:04] <alex88> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades#Network Upgrade for Ubuntu Servers (Recommended)
[18:19] <ruben23> hi guys i tried to used modprobe on my ubuntu-server but  i get this error------------> http://pastebin.com/yWjsdsb8
[18:20] <qman__> those are only warnings, not errors
[18:20] <qman__> they do not prevent your command from running, they are simply informing you of incorrect settings
[18:22] <ruben23>  qman__:  what should be the right way..?
[18:23] <qman__> as the warnings say, alsa-base does not follow the new convention of naming all config files .conf, and /etc/modprobe.conf is also a deprecated way of setting things
[18:23] <qman__> it's not important in the current release, but doing things that way in future releases may not work
[18:38] <ruben23> hi guys how about this are there any serious issue with this..?---->http://pastebin.com/1SR57gZc
[18:40] <qman__> no, just a runlevel inconsistency
[18:40] <qman__> made obsolete with upstart anyway
[19:04] <Pilif12p> How can i see how much ram my server has?
[19:07] <qman__> Pilif12p, free -m will show memory usage statistics in megabytes
[19:08] <Pilif12p> ok
[19:15] <Bilge> I'm still running 8.04 LTS
[19:15] <Bilge> How safe/easy is it to migrate to the next LTS?
[19:16] <Bilge> I'm kinda interested in moving on to PHP 5.3 and I imagine that first upgrading my distro is the best way to achieve that
[19:16] <qman__> make sure you have a good backup
[19:16] <`jpg> Heya.
[19:16] <qman__> I've upgraded two servers, both with problems
[19:16] <qman__> not unsolvable, but be prepared to work on them
[19:17] <`jpg> Does maverick include a xen dom0 kernel?
[19:17] <Bilge> What kind of problems did you have?
[19:17] <qman__> one of them, the graphics completely broke
[19:17] <qman__> took me a while to get a picture back
[19:17] <qman__> my torrentflux install also completely broke
[19:18] <Bilge> Wait what
[19:18] <Bilge> This is a server distribution
[19:18] <qman__> yes
[19:18] <qman__> I had no video output
[19:18] <Bilge> The graphics? :)
[19:18] <qman__> out of range
[19:19] <qman__> it took me a while and lots of searching to fix it
[19:19] <qman__> a combination of KMS, grub2, and plymouth
[19:20] <qman__> just be prepared in case something goes wrong, that's all I'm saying
[19:20] <qman__> set aside plenty of time to work on it
[19:20] <Bilge> I think that's the key thing
[19:20] <qman__> and have good backups
[19:20] <Bilge> I do have backups but that won't help if I need to reinstall the entire system
[19:20] <Bilge> And it will be a huge pain in the ass to do that since it's all encrypted and stuff
[19:21] <Bilge> Speaking of which I don't even know if I remember the encryption keys ;p
[19:21] <Bilge> up 358 days
[19:24] <qman__> wait a week :)
[19:25] <qman__> then you can have a year of uptime
[19:25] <qman__> servers are probably overloaded anyway
[19:25] <qman__> they usually are around release time
[19:39] <detrix> I just installed server edition on my desktop.  I need some guidance with setting up the interface with eth0
[19:40] <qman__> detrix, see `man interfaces` and the networking section in the server guide
[19:41] <detrix> I have the general idea of how to do it, but its not working
[19:42] <qman__> in that case, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file, and explain what isn't working
[19:44] <detrix> the computer with the server can't get on the internet yet.  but I will type it all in, in pastebin
[19:44] <detrix> !pastebin
[19:45] <xperia> hello to all. i am trying to get phpbb3 on my ubuntu server to work but for some reason i just get a empty site with no content. the apache/php server just call the one site index.php and nothing else.
[19:45] <xperia> i have installed phpbb3 as follow: "sudo apt-get install phpbb3" "sudo ln -s /usr/share/phpbb3/www /var/www/phpbb" "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" "http://localhost/phpbb"
[19:45] <xperia> what could be the problem that phpbb3 is not working like it should. looks like a apache config problem!
[19:45] <qman__> also, a little information about your network will be helpful, how you get to the internet, your routing/DHCP situation, etc
[19:46] <qman__> xperia, apache is probably configured to ignore symlinks, and that's a bad idea even if it isn't
[19:46] <qman__> the package should have installed another site configuration file
[19:46] <qman__> or, if not, you should install one
[19:47] <qman__> ls /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[19:48] <xperia> qman__: okay thinked also that way. have only this files here "default" and "default-ssl"
[19:48] <xperia> will check the vhost files then in default
[19:48] <qman__> if it didn't create a site for you, create one yourself, using the directory /usr/share/phpbb3/www
[19:49] <qman__> and a site alias, as demonstrated in the default site with the /doc
[19:49] <qman__> allowing symlinks like that is a considerable security risk, as you might imagine
[19:50] <qman__> you need a <Directory /blah> block for apache to render the files
[19:50] <xperia> qman__: one thing that i just dont understand if symlinks are ignored why i am able then to call the index.php file still
[19:51] <qman__> they might not be ignored
[19:51] <qman__> depending on the options set
[19:53] <qman__> what might be happening, is that apache can see all the files but PHP is being prevented from interacting with them
[19:54] <qman__> in any case, it's good policy to do it the way I explained, and it will probably solve the problem
[19:54] <detrix> Ok, here is the pastbin:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/510296/    I have a linksys router.  I have assigned an IP to each compute in my local net.
[19:54] <qman__> detrix, ok, what is the DHCP lease range set on your router?
[19:55] <xperia> qman__: yeah i guess also that something with php is probably the problem. this are btw the vhost lines http://paste-bin.com/view/8962ebcf
[19:56] <detrix> All the router shows is address starting at:  <IP_ADDRESS>.  My desktop though has been assigned staticly though at <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:57] <qman__> detrix, ok, what I was getting at is that you don't want to statically assign addresses within the range, so you're ok there, and that one reason it may be failing is if that address is in use
[19:58] <qman__> detrix, what command did you use to restart networking?
[19:58] <detrix> nope. I have used this address for many years with this router.     sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[20:01] <qman__> detrix, that makes it a big more puzzling then
[20:02] <qman__> also, for future reference, as sysv scripts are being replaced by upstart scripts, that method won't work in the future, use 'sudo service networking restart' (and similar)
[20:02] <detrix> qman__, so the interfaces file is fine?
[20:02] <qman__> yes, the configuration you showed is fine
[20:02] <qman__> might be something up with the dhclient, not sure exactly
[20:03] <qman__> I'm assuming you installed with dynamic and then changed to static
[20:03] <detrix> this is my first time playing with this.  how do I check the dns server. on the computer?
[20:03] <qman__> DNS wouldn't have any effect on this, it depends on this working first
[20:04] <detrix> I did not see the option to do the static. maybe I will try to re-install.
[20:04] <qman__> I'd try rebooting first
[20:04] <qman__> sometimes, it's the magic fix
[20:04] <detrix> ;)
[20:05] <detrix> but I have. for a moment I thought it did fix it.  but nope
[20:05] <qman__> what's the output of `ifconfig -a` look like?
[20:05] <qman__> don't have to copy it verbatim, just note which interfaces exist and what addresses they have, if any
[20:06] <detrix> you want this is pastebin as well
[20:06] <qman__> just telling me is fine
[20:08] <detrix> it shows eth0: with the right address of <IP_ADDRESS>.  it also show:  eth1_rename LInk  and lo:
[20:09] <qman__> do you have two cards installed?
[20:09] <detrix> yes.
[20:09] <detrix> ones on the motherboard, the other is a pci card
[20:10] <qman__> ok
[20:10] <qman__> what bothers me about that is eth1_rename
[20:10] <qman__> it should just be eth1
[20:11] <qman__> look at their MAC addresses
[20:11] <qman__> make sure they're not all 0s, and that they're not identical
[20:11] <detrix> I am also seeing something fishy.  of eth0: it shows for H
[20:11] <detrix> for HWaddr I get  ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[20:11] <qman__> for both?
[20:11] <detrix> no
[20:12] <qman__> which interface?
[20:12] <detrix> for eth1: I get a 6c:f0:49:72:e9:c9
[20:13] <qman__> I have a feeling that eth0 either has the wrong driver, or has failed
[20:13] <detrix> I am going to try to reboot one more time
[20:13] <detrix> I will also pull out eth1
[20:13] <qman__> before you do
[20:13] <qman__> remove the file
[20:14] <qman__>  /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[20:14] <qman__> then shut down, remove your extra NIC, and start back up to see what you hav
[20:14] <qman__> e
[20:16] <detrix> when I did shutdown -t 0 now:  a recovery menu came up....why???
[20:17] <qman__> you didn't specify what to do
[20:17] <qman__> I suggest using `sudo poweroff`
[20:18] <qman__> but you'd have to specify -h for halt, -r for reboot, etc
[20:19] <detrix> ok. I like poweroff better
[20:19] <detrix> pulling eth1
[20:20] <detrix> powering back up
[20:21] <SaberUK> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/techspecs/whatsnew # eta on this being updated for 10.10?
[20:22] <detrix> qman__, well, that seems to have fixed it.  I was able to ping www.google.com
[20:23] <detrix> qman__, thanx very much
[20:24] <detrix> qman__, have a great day.
[20:24] <qman__> no problem
[20:59] <tomsdale__> my hd fell on the ground recently. Everything seems to be working but is there some physical check I could do to verify there are non problems?
[21:03] <guntbert_> tomsdale__: I suggest you ask in ##hardware
[21:11] <xperia> can somebody explain me why phpbb3 is not working after installing in ubuntu ? i just get a blank page when i call the index.php file
[21:13] <NoobFukaire> is it just me or all the virtual machine tools completely broken with the latest up to date lucid system?
[21:14] <NoobFukaire> I mean the kvm stuff
[21:14] <NoobFukaire> I can create a new vm
[21:14] <NoobFukaire> but attempting to clone it fails, no matter if I'm using qemu-img or virt-clone or whatever
[21:14] <NoobFukaire> it's just fucked
[21:14] <guntbert> !language | NoobFukaire
[21:15] <NoobFukaire> so is that an acknowledgment
[21:16] <guntbert> NoobFukaire: no, its an admonishment - mind how you say things please
[21:16] <NoobFukaire> sorry cuntbert, I'll be more careful in the future
[21:18] <guntbert> NoobFukaire: but as to your question: sorry, I never used kvm ....
[21:59] <oxicarus> omg. so many people in this channel. guess i have a great chance of finding a solution to my issue. guys. look. i'm just the regular user, no 'advanced guru' or anything even remotely close :p i have this ubuntu server, i did apt-get install *apache2* *php5* *mysql* (sort of, you get the drill). now, the parsing of .php files works fine,, but(!) ONLY on root (/var/www/), when i put an .php file in ~user/public_html/, the php file will not parse correctly
[22:01] <xperia> hmmm why do you want it having in "~user/public_html/"
[22:01] <xperia> i have all my vhosts in /var/www
[22:03] <xperia> i need to go see you all next time.
[22:08] <MTecknology> I really didn't think this EC2 thing through...
[22:08] <MTecknology> I have 55min (less) and no idea what to do with it
[22:09] <Patrickdk> terminate it :)
[22:09] <MTecknology> Patrickdk: but I like playing with it
[22:10] <Patrickdk> hehe
[22:10] <Patrickdk> but it's not so fun to forget to kill it and get a nice bill
[22:10] <MTecknology> Patrickdk: i bet
[23:11] <detrix> I get the following message when I log in:   system information disabled due to load higher than 1   I am running the server, and the desktop on the same machine.  How do I get it to show the system info for higher loads?
[23:14] <nnnnn> is there an easy way to block regions from accessing a website your hosting"?
[23:15] <eboyjr> Any good ways of installing 10.10 server without a monitor?
[23:16] <eboyjr> or keyboard :p
[23:17] <yann2> depends on the server, I use ELOM on sun servers
[23:17] <yann2> and iDrac on dell servers
[23:18] <eboyjr> Its a dell but I don't have iDrac since it's actually supposed to be a desktop computer
[23:19] <eboyjr> I had an idea of using ssh from the livecd.. don't know how I would start it though
[23:20] <eboyjr> Sounds like it would be too complicated though, I'll just wait for some peripherals
[23:27] <vsd20c> looking for ubuntu server administration guides any recommendations?


[00:03] <BugeyeD_> sup
[00:05] <musegarden> ah just sitting around not really doing anything at the moment
[00:06]  * BugeyeD_ just got in from a 3-mile bike ride. kinda big for me. but i'm doing it with an 8-year old and a 5-year-old. much bigger deal there.
[00:06] <BugeyeD_> now i'm catching up on support emails.
[00:11] <musegarden> fun I'm playing minecraft >_> and not being productive
[00:24]  * holstein is learning about teeworlds


[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10] <MooDoo> morning dan
[07:12] <dholbach> hi MooDoo
[07:15] <MooDoo> :)


[11:57] <brainwash> can anyone please mark bug 448151 as "won't fix" (according to the upstream report)?
[11:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 448151 in xfce4-appfinder (Ubuntu) "xfce4-appfinder crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free_chain_with_offset()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448151
[12:04] <mitya57> brainwash: done
[12:12] <brainwash> mitya57: thanks, but strangely it's still marked as "triaged" and not "won't fix"
[12:12] <mitya57> brainwash: oops, now really done
[12:13] <brainwash> mitya57: thank you :)
[12:50] <brainwash> bug 1228632
[12:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1228632 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in g_utf8_validate()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228632
[12:50] <brainwash> comment 2 states "This particular crash has already been reported and is a duplicate of bug #1205307, so is being marked as such."
[12:51] <brainwash> but the mentioned report is not accessible
[12:52] <penguin42> that is odd
[12:52] <penguin42> ah
[12:52] <brainwash> does that mean, that it is marked as private?
[12:52] <penguin42> the other bug is marked private for some reason
[12:52] <brainwash> strange, the new one got changed to public
[12:53] <penguin42> what's odd is it says it's being marked duped but didn't
[12:54] <brainwash> I'm trying to clean up some reports and this made me wonder
[12:55] <brainwash> so the initial report is marked as private and might contain more debug information (trace logs)?
[12:55] <penguin42> brainwash: I've made 1205307 public - nothing sensitive I could see in the logs
[12:56] <brainwash> penguin42: thanks
[13:07] <ali1234> huh, now my bug is wrapped up in it?
[13:07] <ali1234> that's fixed by the way
[13:08] <ali1234> hmm yeah it does look like the same crash in garcon
[13:10] <brainwash> :D
[23:39] <brainwash> how can I close bug reports which target old ubuntu releases? mark them as "fix released", because the issue seems to be fixed in new/supported ubuntu versions (no actual changelog reference)? or "incomplete" or even "invalid"?
[23:40] <brainwash> example -> bug 779671
[23:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 779671 in xfce4-places-plugin (Ubuntu) "places popup menu displayed at wrong location" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/779671


[09:24] <primes2h> ara: Good morning. :-)
[09:25] <ara> good morning primes2h :)
[09:26] <primes2h> ara: how are you?
[09:26] <ara> primes2h, good, good, yourself?
[09:27] <primes2h> ara: great, thanks!
[09:28] <primes2h> ara: yesterday I pushed two commit about the laptop tracker in my branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~primes2h/+junk/ubuntu-qa-website
[09:29] <primes2h> it should be reviewed
[09:30] <primes2h> s/commit/commits
[09:31] <ara> primes2h, a couple of things
[09:31] <ara> primes2h, why is in the junk project?
[09:32] <ara> it should be somewhere in ~primes2h/ubuntu-qa-website/fixes_bla_bla_bla
[09:32] <ara> and once you put it somewhere there, please, propose a merge
[09:32] <primes2h> ara: I'm new on this things, bazaar etc. sorry
[09:32] <ara> primes2h, no worries :)
[09:34] <primes2h> ara: In fact only yestarday I realized that I couldn't propose a merge using the junk branch.
[09:37] <primes2h> ara: anyway, there are some slight changes that need to be made in the db. I'm going to send you an email about that
[09:39] <ara> primes2h, instead of that, please, add that information to the merge proposal
[09:43] <primes2h> ara: that's ok, thanks you. :-)
[10:34] <primes2h> ara: do I have to leave reviewer field blank when I propose the merge?
[11:26] <primes2h> ara: done. :-)
[11:26] <ara> primes2h, cool, thanks
[11:28] <primes2h> ara: thank "you" ;-)
[17:42] <bdmurray> jibel: is there an evince test?
[17:43] <bdmurray> jibel: I thought I'd seen on with different file types...
[17:43] <bdmurray> I'm looking at bug 721309
[17:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 721309 in evince (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "evince cannot load PS or EPS files any more (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721309
[18:54] <jibel> bdmurray, there's even a bug report, let me find it.
[18:55] <jibel> bdmurray, bug 707152
[18:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707152 in libspectre (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "evince fails to display PS document - fatal internal error -100GPL Ghostscript 8.71: Can't find initialization file gs_init.ps (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 149)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707152
[18:56] <jibel> bdmurray, afair that's a pb with ghostscript or libspectre