[00:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> ltsp uses server hardware, however i just stumbled upon drbl
[00:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> which is a distributed system.  a cloud?
[00:21] <sbalneav> http://drbl.sourceforge.net/faq/
[00:22] <sbalneav> Second link from the top
[00:22] <sbalneav> drbl = ltsp fat clients
[00:22] <sbalneav> everything runs on the client hardware.
[00:22] <Ahmuck-Jr> so why not use drbl?
[00:22] <Ahmuck-Jr> rather than ltsp?
[00:22] <sbalneav> Who should use drbl?
[00:22] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae script does fat clients, but doesn this as well?
[00:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> well, anybody
[00:23] <sbalneav> Maybe you don't have clients powerful enough to run everything on them
[00:24] <sbalneav> a 128 meg pentium 3 will make a nice ltsp thin client
[00:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> the clients run better standalone
[00:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> 1ghz, 512mb ram
[00:24] <sbalneav> Yeah, so?
[00:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbalneav: ok, well, i'm here this evening.  so, i need to figure out what's causing my slooooowdown on my nice thin clients
[00:24] <sbalneav> Run drble if you want
[00:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> let's start with firefox crashing
[00:25] <sbalneav> No one forces you to run LTSP :)
[00:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> let me do some reading again on firefox and localapps, i'll check there
[00:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbalneav: what i keep wondering is why ltsp keeps getting pushed as a "classroom" solution rather than say LDAP/NFS/NBD or DRBL
[00:26] <sbalneav> Because hundreds of thousands of people use it worldwide.
[00:27] <sbalneav> And it's been under continuous development and support for 10+ years.
[00:28] <sbalneav> and lots and lots of classrooms don't HAVE good up-to-date hardware, they have older stuff they want to use.
[00:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> hundreds of people used to drive model A - Fords, but and for 10 years or more, but they no longer do so
[00:28] <sbalneav> So, don't use LTSP :)
[00:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> can you name a classroom with antiquated hardware?
[00:28] <sbalneav> Sure
[00:28] <sbalneav> tons
[00:29] <sbalneav> My son's
[00:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> i can't in my area
[00:29] <sbalneav> every single solitary classroom in Brazil
[00:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> the government and ms has made a deal and they are all on better hardware than my best machine
[00:29] <sbalneav> You're using your first world thinking again.
[00:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> recently one of the schools sold all thier 2ghz, 256mb ram machines for 3.00/machine
[00:29] <sbalneav> OK, so use tsomething else then.
[00:30] <sbalneav> *I* don't care WHAT you use.
[00:30] <Ahmuck-Jr> that's not my point.  my point is edubuntu, etc. only looking at the ltsp portion?
[00:30] <Ahmuck-Jr> and only promoting it?  why not alternatives
[00:30] <Ahmuck-Jr> for those that can use it
[00:31] <sbalneav> Because edubuntu only has two people working on it who know about, and care about, thin clients and classrooms
[00:31] <sbalneav> and both of them happen to be LTSP developers.
[00:31] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, where is the edubuntu pages?  i'm going to assign someone in my office to make a simpler tutorail for using ubuntu and rdbl or LDAP/NFS/NDB
[00:31] <Ahmuck-Jr> *sigh*
[00:32] <sbalneav> If you'd like to promote drbl, then go ahead, by *all* means.
[00:32] <sbalneav> Just make sure you're here
[00:32] <sbalneav> day in
[00:32] <sbalneav> day out
[00:32] <sbalneav> unpaid
[00:32] <sbalneav> like me, to support it :)
[00:33] <sbalneav> LTSP's been around the longest
[00:33] <sbalneav> There's a LOT of ltsp out there
[00:33] <sbalneav> k12ltsp, l12linux, skolelinux
[00:33] <sbalneav> they're ALL using LTSP.
[00:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> aren't you paid by your company?
[00:34] <sbalneav> I'm paid by Legal Aid Manitoba to administer Legal Aid's computers
[00:34] <sbalneav> LTSP development happens on my own dime, on my own time.
[00:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> a little sour tonight sbalneav ?
[00:35] <sbalneav> No
[00:35] <sbalneav> Just stating a fact.
[00:35] <sbalneav> You asked, I told you.
[00:36] <sbalneav> You also asked why we didn't promote drbl, and that's simply because no one here KNOWS drbl
[00:37] <Ahmuck-Jr> ok, that's what i needed to know
[00:37] <Ahmuck-Jr> thanks
[00:37] <sbalneav> I'm here all night, if you want a hand with your firefox issue, let me know.
[00:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> i noticed bugs about sound again
[00:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> coming through
[00:38] <sbalneav> Pulse looks like it's got problems.
[00:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> ok, well i'm here.  let me locate the documentation on ltsp and local apps and make sure everything is in place
[00:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> i don't have the memory to remember what i did last week, i have to read and re-read
[00:39] <sbalneav> I suspect pulse's network code has some bugs.
[00:39] <sbalneav> LTSP tends to excercise bugs in a lot of code that "normally" doesn't get executed.
[00:40] <Ahmuck-Jr> another question.  i notice that from release to release it seems there's always something different one has to do to get something to work.  is this because of rapidly changing libraries?  backward compatibility is not built in anymore?
[00:41] <sbalneav> No, linux in general has, for the last 2-3 years, been rapidly loosing its roots.
[00:41] <Ahmuck-Jr> as in the way it used to handle things?
[00:41] <sbalneav> It bothers me quite a bit, because Linux, it seems, has now determined that the way it wants to go is to be another microsoft.
[00:41] <Ahmuck-Jr> roots as in /etc/fstab, etc.
[00:41] <sbalneav> correct.
[00:42] <sbalneav> everything's dbus, policykit, etc.
[00:42] <Ahmuck-Jr> yes, i agree.  it's getting hard to find the moving target
[00:42] <Ahmuck-Jr> whose to blame?  users, developers or distros?
[00:42] <sbalneav> it's added a LOT of complexity, and, as far as I've seen, has had absolutely NO real benefit.
[00:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> how do you fix it, go back to a starting point and re-write?
[00:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> wouldn't this affect apps as well?
[00:43] <sbalneav> Users for demanding Linux look and act exactly like windows, distros for pushing devels to give the users what they want, devels for giving in, IMHO
[00:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm a user of sorts.  i like the gui.  however when the i had problems in gui mode i knew i could always drop to command line and find a man page or --help or something and do it from there.  it's getting harder to do things from command line
[00:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> all the changes are confusing for us old guys
[00:45] <sbalneav> yes, it's becoming increasingly difficult to get anything done.
[00:46] <sbalneav> for someone like me who learned his unix back in the 80's, it's very frustrating
[00:46] <sbalneav> But the command line has been more or less officially declared A Bad Thing (c)(r), and so...
[00:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-get-aero-style-rgba.html
[00:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> :) just for u :)
[00:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> whoa, i think you just might be older than i
[00:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> your what, 82 now ?
[00:47] <sbalneav> 41
[00:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> lol
[00:47] <sbalneav> I learned unix back when I was in high school
[00:48] <sbalneav> in '85
[00:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> i went to private school, but no computer
[00:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> i shuddered at the thought sitting in front of a computer ... till i saw a dos prompt
[00:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> in 92
[00:49] <sbalneav> I knew more about programming Commodore 64's than my high school Computer Teacher did, so to get me out of the classroom so I'd quit correcting his mistakes, I was given an account on the new "unux" system on the "glass tty" (a vt100 terminal) that they were handing out to the schools.
[00:50] <sbalneav> At that point, the internet had Telnet, FTP, and RFC 822 had been published the year before, and sendmail 0.8mumblesomething was installed on the box.
[00:50] <sbalneav> I learned to use email by reading RFC 822 :)
[00:51] <sbalneav> To this day, I'm capable of hand crafting my emails by telnetting to port 25 :)
[00:51] <Ahmuck-Jr> oooh, scary
[00:51] <sbalneav> So, yeah, all this "no touchy-the-command-line-you-must-do-it-from-the-gui" stuff bothers me.
[00:52] <sbalneav> Hence, the reason I packaged cnetworkmanager :)
[00:54] <sbalneav> Hmm, installed gnash tonight
[00:55] <sbalneav> I'm playing a flash video right now.
[00:55] <Ahmuck-Jr> sooo, really there are three ways to run a classroom so far ... ltsp, drbl, and ldap/nfs/nbd
[00:55] <sbalneav>  18:55:06 up 13 days,  9:32,  6 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.00
[00:55] <Ahmuck-Jr> using pupet and cfengine or cloning
[00:55] <Ahmuck-Jr> what's ur client specs?
[00:56] <sbalneav> one ghz via boards with one gig of ram.
[00:56] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah ha.  it's the gig of ram
[00:57] <sbalneav> But I run everything on the server.
[00:57] <sbalneav> I don't run any localapps.
[00:57] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm going to do a new slogan.  don't believe the hype until you've seen the tripe
[00:57] <Ahmuck-Jr> no localapps?  why the gig of ram then?
[00:58] <sbalneav> When I updated them all 1.5 years ago, it was the best price point.
[00:59] <sbalneav> I updated all 185 clients for $35,000
[00:59]  * Ahmuck-Jr falls over
[01:00] <sbalneav> was about 130 for the mobo, 45 for the stick of ram, and taxes :)
[01:01] <sbalneav> I run all of Legal Aid Manitoba's systems, which is 6 sites spread over a 900 kilometer radius, for $75,000 per year
[01:01] <sbalneav> That's all in
[01:01] <sbalneav> all licenses, all datacomm costs, all hardware, all software, everything.
[01:02] <sbalneav> Only thing that's not in there is salaries.
[01:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/22427
[01:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> Manitoba, Africa?
[01:02] <sbalneav> Manitoba Canada.
[01:03] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah, ok
[01:03] <sbalneav> We're Legal Aid.  No one wants to fund us. We're the poor cousins of govt.
[01:03] <sbalneav> You probably don't want NBD_SWAP = True and USE_LOCAL_SWAP = True at the same time.
[01:03] <Ahmuck-Jr> how's the weather?
[01:04] <sbalneav> -17 C at the moment.
[01:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> i've been thinking about tripping to CA, but more around Alberta
[01:04] <sbalneav> s'posed to go down to -28 tonight.
[01:04] <sbalneav> Alberta's beatiful, up in the mountains.
[01:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> i don't think the local hard drives are formated
[01:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> iirc, they were dbaned
[01:05] <sbalneav> I'd turn off USE_LOCAL_SWAP.
[01:05] <Ahmuck-Jr> what's hotel rates like there?
[01:05] <sbalneav> You say they've got 512 megs of ram?
[01:06] <sbalneav> depends.  If you're going to stay in Banff, prolly 200+ a night :)
[01:06]  * Ahmuck-Jr falls over again
[01:06] <sbalneav> If you're going to stay in a small town, probably 59 bucks at the super 8
[01:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> super8,  that's larger than i was thinking about
[01:07] <sbalneav> Banff is *the* tourist attraction, so it'd be like staying at the Mariott times square.
[01:07] <sbalneav> It depends on where you're planning on going.
[01:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> somewhere remote, homey
[01:09] <sbalneav> Small town, locally run hotels tend to run anywhere from $35 -> $60 bucks a night.
[01:09] <sbalneav> B&B's can be even cheaper.
[01:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah, and cozier
[01:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> friendlier
[01:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> in chroot, i need to install firefox and flashplugin-nonfree - flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[01:26] <sbalneav> Not sure about the extrasound.
[01:27] <sbalneav> But firefox and flashplugin-nonfree for sure.
[01:27] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, i did not have flash installed in the chroot before
[01:27] <Ahmuck-Jr> i assume this may have been my flash issue
[01:27] <Ahmuck-Jr> for some reason, i was under the impression that someone stated if firefox was a localapp, then flash was too
[01:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> where does the tradeoff between localapp and serverapp start?
[01:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> scribus-ng for example?
[01:28] <sbalneav> Well, scribus should make a good server app
[01:29] <sbalneav> It will generate load while it starts
[01:29] <sbalneav> but once it's running, it's load is ONLY based upon user input.
[01:29] <sbalneav> So if the user's not doing anything, it's not generating any load at all
[01:29] <sbalneav> OpenOffice.org's another good example.
[01:30] <sbalneav> firefox + flash is the opposite end of the spectrum.  User can be generating scads of cpu time, even tho' they're doing "nothing"
[01:30] <Ahmuck-Jr> ie, user input, digital camera images?
[01:31] <Ahmuck-Jr> sooo, looking at the manual, every server update also requires a ltsp choot update as well
[01:33] <sbalneav> Ideally, yes.
[01:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> local_apps_menu does what?
[01:34] <Ahmuck-Jr> btw, u stated u were not utilizing localapps on your thin clients?
[01:34] <sbalneav> Correct
[01:34] <Ahmuck-Jr> sooo, how are you not crashing in 9.10 with firefox/flash?  is this a pulse problem for us?
[01:35] <sbalneav> Well, at work, I'm using 8.04
[01:35] <sbalneav> At home I use 9.10
[01:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> that explains it
[01:35] <sbalneav> Could be pulse, could be several things.
[01:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> 8.04 was more stable for ltsp
[01:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> pulse was stable in 8.04
[01:35] <sbalneav> No, actually not
[01:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> for me it was
[01:36] <sbalneav> 8.04 had TONS of problems with firefox
[01:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> before 9.10 i was looking at regressing
[01:36] <sbalneav> until stgraber figured out the bug in the X libs.
[01:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> perhaps it was 8.10 i had sucess with
[01:37] <sbalneav> once stgraber tracked that down, then things got better.
[01:37] <sbalneav> again, many "ltsp" bugs aren't ANYTHING to do with LTSP itself.
[01:38] <sbalneav> they're bugs in firefox, pulse, xlibs, xorg, etc, that get triggered because these guys aren't testing their programs anymore in remote X situations.
[01:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> makes sense
[01:38] <sbalneav> The libxcb bug was a classic example.
[01:39] <sbalneav> everyone "blamed" ltsp, "it must be something you guys are doing!!!!!" we were told
[01:39] <sbalneav> until one of us (stgraber) sat down, and emulated it with a full desktop
[01:39] <sbalneav> Once we showed that, then the X guys started to offer help
[01:40] <sbalneav> then we tracked it down, and it was PURELY a fault in libxcb, which is supplied by xorg
[01:41] <sbalneav> but since xorg pretty much EXCLUSIVELY tests only local X + apps, and does little to no remote testing, it was completely missed by them.
[01:41] <sbalneav> And so it goes.
[01:53] <Ahmuck-Jr> 	adm (4)
[01:53] <Ahmuck-Jr> Info: port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf
[01:53] <Ahmuck-Jr> Info: taking no action.
[01:57] <sbalneav> That's fine.
[01:57] <sbalneav> You just rebuilt the image, right?
[01:58] <Ahmuck-Jr> yep
[03:26] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Jr: Things going alright?
[04:00] <brian> New to Ubuntu. I need some help with video settings. ANybody up for it?
[04:36] <cprofitt> hello all
[04:37] <sbalneav> Hello
[04:41] <cprofitt> sbalneav: are you from the US?
[04:44] <sbalneav> No, Canada
[04:44] <sbalneav> Winnipeg, Manitoba, to be exact.
[04:45] <cprofitt> Ah... cool.
[04:45]  * sbalneav looks at temp
[04:45] <cprofitt> Are you a Dev on Edubuntu or an Educator?
[04:45] <sbalneav> yeah -18C here
[04:45] <sbalneav> cool :)
[04:45] <cprofitt> ouch
[04:45] <cprofitt> we are a bit cold, but not that cold
[04:45] <sbalneav> Dev.  I have nothing to do with education.
[04:45] <sbalneav> I'm a systems administrator for Legal Aid Manitoba.
[04:46] <cprofitt> Nice -- do they use Open Source?
[04:46] <sbalneav> We're an all linux shop
[04:46] <cprofitt> I am stuck as a sysadmin in a school district... and we use Windows/OS X
[04:46] <sbalneav> We run 185 LTSP thin clients.
[04:47] <sbalneav> Firefox/OpenOffice.org/Thunderbird
[04:47] <sbalneav> I've been a developer for LTSP for 10 years
[04:48] <cprofitt> Nice... perhaps at some point I will work in a Linux shop...
[04:48] <sbalneav> And I've contributed to the free software movement for 15+ years.
[04:48] <cprofitt> I am pondering how to raise educators awareness of F/OSS
[04:48] <sbalneav> I ran my first Linux distro in fall of 1993
[04:48] <cprofitt> I ran Linux in 1993, but gaming kept me running Windows until two years ago
[04:48] <cprofitt> and I did not get in to IT until 1997
[04:49] <sbalneav> I gave up windows at home back in 1999
[04:49] <sbalneav> Last version of windows I actually know anything useful about is Windows 98 :)
[04:49] <cprofitt> http://edcommunity.apple.com/ali/story.php?itemID=9671
[04:50] <cprofitt> curious what you make of that program from Apple -- do you think something similar would aid awareness?
[04:50] <cprofitt> I actually have experience with Windows all the way up to the current version...
[04:50] <sbalneav> "community" things like that I know nothing about.
[04:51] <sbalneav> I concentrate mainly on the code.
[04:52]  * cprofitt nods
[06:04] <cprofitt> night all
[16:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbalneav:
[17:56] <cprofitt> hello nixternal, stgraber pleia2 and others
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbalneav: ... firefox and flash works
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> albiet, flash is clunky.  but i've dropped back to 500mhz and 256mb ram
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> sound is shot however
[23:26] <surfpay> meh


[00:35] <Seeker`> 47 drake of the north wind runs this evening...still no mount
[02:18] <qwebirc53441> Hello...  This is Bryan...
[02:19] <qwebirc53441> (Bryan) < Is anyone here?
[02:19] <qwebirc53441> I have a small question about MythBubtu
[08:26] <enyc> One thing that wasn't obvious to me with the 'new' mythbuntu  was where/how  the mythtv-backend database-password  gets configured...
[08:26] <enyc> or where i read it from to set another frontend to talk to it, etc.
[14:43] <tgm4883> enyc: red it from /etc/MythTV/config.xml
[14:44] <tgm4883> That should be all lower case
[16:02] <Hydr0p0nX> should i still be using mythutil --scanvideos to import dvd rips to my library ?
[17:11] <enyc> tgm4883: yah eventually found that =)  seems that previous versinosed used to put it in separate next files rather than xml, but nawyay
[17:13] <enyc> tgm4883: im guessing that file is used by both the frontend and backend locally to ogin to tdatabase
[17:13] <enyc> tgm4883: but to actually cange the password involves talking to mysql admin etc...
[21:12] <enyc> OK... Next Problem =)   MythBuntu 14.04.1  new install new partition etc.  -- I can get sound over nvidia HDMI by using MythFrontend setup fine.  -but-  I can't seem to get any other (vlc, chromium+flashplugin, ...)  sound going via HDMI.  I change the ALSA-sink default (new line with hw:1,7 or something like that on it) in  something like  /etc/pulse/default.pa  [exactly the same change as I (thought) worked on the previous 12.04 system] but this doe
[21:21] <enyc> Maybe I had to change something else 'as well' e.g. someting in desktop alsa utils of some form, hmm....
[21:34] <enyc> maybe there is some per-user graphical setting in some setting application for sound output....


[06:35] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning!
[09:23] <locodir-user> Hello
[10:17] <daker> dholbach, mhall119 any chance to get my merge re-reviewed ? https://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/loco-directory/ld-languages-menu/+merge/42760
[10:17] <dholbach> I might be a bit busy today, but I'll try
[10:18] <daker> ty
[10:23] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[10:29] <daker> good morning czajkowski
[10:30] <czajkowski> daker: ello ello
[12:11] <mhall119> morning
[12:14] <nigelb> Morning mhall119
[13:22] <mhall119> dholbach: got a solution to one of our openid problems in the works, should be ready to submit this afternoon (my time)
[13:23] <mhall119> lpupdate is going to be slower the first time around though
[13:23] <mhall119> especially on initial installs
[13:30] <cjohnston> all I want for christmas is for lpupdate to speed up
[13:31] <mhall119> not likely
[13:31] <cjohnston> I know
[13:31] <mhall119> you're getting coal instead
[13:32] <cjohnston> trying to get monday off.. this isnt going well :-/
[13:32] <mhall119> I'm gonna make a "user_cleanup" management command to start removing some of these openiduser## accounts
[13:33] <cjohnston> sweet
[13:54] <dholbach> mhall119, sweet
[13:54] <cjohnston> got monday off
[17:35] <althara> Is the locobot only for approved locos?
[17:41] <CurtisElgin> Nope, you can request one be added to you Teams channel :)
[17:42] <althara> What do we do when the documented procedure for doing so fails?
[17:42] <althara> I sent an email almost two months ago and haven't heard anything but crickets.
[20:02] <czajkowski> althara: which loco
[20:13] <JanC> the locobots changed from ubuntu-eu.org to Canonical servers
[20:13] <JanC> so I guess the procedure to request them changed too
[20:13] <JanC> between 2 months ago and now
[21:29] <althara> czajkowski: US Washington LoCo. I've submitted and RT request as I was told to do in #ubuntu-irc and let them know the documentation was out of date.
[21:29] <althara> *an
[21:29] <czajkowski> althara: yes but as JanC point out the servers have changed and just need to be requested again
[21:30] <althara> actually they said loco bots weren't in use any more and that the standard ubuntu log bot what what is used now
[21:31] <althara> So ummm this is confusin
[21:31] <althara> g
[21:32] <czajkowski> right so it's just a name mix up tbh and has only just been changed.
[21:33] <czajkowski> as JanC and I've said you just need to request it again
[21:33] <czajkowski> or asking the IRC ops folks
[21:33] <althara> I did via RT. today
[21:33] <althara> That is what the irc folks told me to do
[21:33] <czajkowski> right
[21:33] <czajkowski> do you have a ticket number?
[21:33] <althara> 16118
[21:35] <czajkowski> hmm
[21:35] <czajkowski> althara: well give it a few days and see
[21:35] <czajkowski> if you just logged it today I suspect it may not get looked at
[21:37] <althara> I know. I asked in here before I was pointed to #ubuntu-irc, since here was originally the place I got the info less than two months ago to email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for the loco bot (which I never heard back on at all). Now that the (I hope) correct procedure has been given to me I'll wait patiently.
[21:37] <czajkowski> ok
[21:41] <michael_k> czajkowski, silly question probably but are there any rules about when a log bot should be deployed on a channel?
[21:41] <czajkowski> michael_k: what do you mean ?
[21:42] <michael_k> czajkowski, I mean under what situations should we use a log bot?
[21:42] <czajkowski> michael_k: team core channels
[21:44] <michael_k> czajkowski, is it mandatory for locoteams channels as well?
[21:44] <czajkowski> yes
[21:44] <czajkowski> I'll be back later
[21:45] <michael_k> czajkowski, oops... I m afraid we missed that one.
[21:45] <czajkowski> but just in the middle of something
[21:45] <michael_k> OK
[21:45] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:45] <czajkowski> michael_k: np
[21:45] <michael_k> thank you
[21:46] <czajkowski> np
[21:47] <althara> michael_k: the request info on the wiki is now correct https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#LogBots
[21:52] <michael_k> althara, thanks! I 'll have a look!


[12:04] <drupin> hey smartboyhw
[12:04] <drupin> hows you
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Fine
[12:05] <drupin> i seen your blog
[12:05] <smartboyhw> OH did you????
[12:05] <drupin> your age is 14
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Yes mate
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Any problems???/
[12:05] <drupin> how u manage this at so young age
[12:05] <drupin> so many projects
[12:06] <smartboyhw> drupin: I have power LOL
[12:07] <drupin> plz give me some power slao
[12:07] <drupin> also*
[12:07] <drupin> so i can make some apps
[12:07] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA No i can't
[12:16] <drupin> this is opensource
[12:16] <drupin> you need to encourage new kids
[12:16] <smartboyhw> No it isn't:)
[12:16] <drupin> so they can bring more apps
[12:16] <smartboyhw> It's closed source since it is nuclear
[12:17] <drupin> ubuntu is closed
[12:17] <drupin> no issues
[12:17] <drupin> ubuntu is closed?
[12:17] <smartboyhw> I mean the power is cloed:)
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu is of course open source
[12:18] <drupin> opensource itself means you have to distribute the power
[12:18] <radar_> nuclear lol
[12:18] <drupin> in the form of code and strategies
[12:19] <drupin> i want to work on some or the other project
[12:19] <drupin> whoever will work with me i will make apps for them
[12:19] <drupin> means teach me
[12:19] <smartboyhw> radar_: Yes of course
[12:20] <drupin> i am learning go language now
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Brb
[12:20] <radar_> smartboyhw: I'm just kiddin :)
[12:21] <radar_> u can work on whatever drupin
[12:21] <drupin> but i need guidance radar_
[12:22] <radar_> learning is behind every corner
[12:22] <drupin> yes
[12:22] <drupin> the kick start is imp
[12:23] <radar_> true. i'm a nut on nix systems, bein around to learn too since i grown in a ms world
[12:23] <radar_> what kind of prj are you interested in ?
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Oh hi cbx33
[13:31] <cbx33> Hey
[13:32] <cbx33> Howz it going?
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Good
[13:33] <cbx33> Guitarix is awesome
[13:34] <cbx33> Found a really awesome heavy distortion
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Good
[13:34] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:34] <cbx33> Makes even my electroacoustic sound great
[16:44] <cbx33> Hey all
[21:44] <cbx33> hey all


[00:33] <Guest26017> ive installed and fully updated 12.04 on my galaxy s3. Is there anyone who can provide a link to help me get the sound going?
[00:35] <Guest26017> please?
[02:16] <Guest26017> bkludkloy jfkoddoi??
[03:28] <SmallFry> hello. anyone arround?
[12:24] <aladdin> hello
[12:24] <aladdin> any update for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1084852 ?
[12:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1084852 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium still tries to enable NEON on arm* builds when told not to" [High,In progress]
[14:06] <FS-21> Question related to touch screens: If in my A10 tablet I load the kernel module "goodix_touch" and I see the file /dev/input/events4 producing symbols when I touch the screen... what is the next step to make the touch screen working? I'm a bit lost.
[20:38] <mrspinx> Hi I just installed ubuntu on a nexus 7
[20:39] <mrspinx> I keep getting an error system problem detected
[20:39] <mrspinx> at boot
[20:50] <mrspinx> ubuntu loads fine I just keep geting this error every few minutes
[20:51] <Tassadar> is it just error window with two buttons, "cancel" and "report" or something like that?
[20:52] <mrspinx> yep thats the error I keep seeing
[20:53] <Tassadar> yeah, i got that one too. Are you dual-booting it?
[20:53] <mrspinx> nope full install. I used the ubuntu nexus core installer
[20:53] <Tassadar> oh, thank god. I thought I did something wrong in the dual-boot process
[20:54] <Tassadar> but dunno why it is happening, sorry :)
[20:55] <mrspinx> have you tryied plasma active?
[20:55] <Tassadar> no
[20:56] <mrspinx> how did you setup the dual boot
[20:57] <Tassadar> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
[20:59] <mrspinx> thanks
[21:04] <mrspinx> maybe we are using the same image
[21:07] <SmallFry> Tassadar, mrspinx i have my Nexus 7 dual (more 5 booted) with Ubuntu
[21:07] <SmallFry> Not Plasma active, but ubutntu
[21:08] <SmallFry> Try a different kernel?
[21:09] <Tassadar> I was concerned because of the error, I thought maybe it is because of the multirom, but it is not
[21:09] <SmallFry> ah. I don't get the error, I downloaded my Ubuntu img from the MultiROM page however
[21:09] <SmallFry> I am running a different kernel, of which I can't remember at the moment
[21:10] <SmallFry> What I really want to do is get Plasma Active in an IMG to work with MultiROM...
[21:10] <SmallFry> but... off to play some games for a bit. I'll be back later
[21:10] <mrspinx> okay
[21:11] <mrspinx> I may try to update my kernel or use another image
[21:25] <mrspinx> has anyone had any battery issues?
[21:30] <SmallFry> with ubuntu it's fairly comparable (in the wiki)
[21:31] <SmallFry> off to play again though, now that I've muted my IRC client :P heh
[22:42] <lorddelta> So how does nexus 7 do with ubuntu on it?
[22:59] <Sonicadvance1> lorddelta, Should do pretty well I would think
[23:01] <Sonicadvance1> If any indication of how well it runs on my ODROID-X and Samsung Chromebook anyway


[00:16] <reaVer> hi, I'm trying to live boot from USB but the screen is stuck at "Booting a command list" and the only button that does something is the powerbutton
[00:41] <samwilliam> reaVer is there any other message? What application was used to create the live USB? Are you using UEFI or BIOS boot?
[00:42] <reaVer> I'm using BIOS boot
[00:42] <reaVer> I used dd
[00:46] <samwilliam> Is ``Booting a command list´´ the last output on screen?
[00:48] <samwilliam> If your computer supports UEFI, could you try that method disabling the legacy option?
[00:49] <reaVer> samwilliam: yes
[00:49] <reaVer> I don't think the laptop I'm using has UEFI support
[00:59] <samwilliam> no problem
[01:01] <samwilliam> I suggest you try to boot this USB in another computer or rerun the dd command
[01:01] <samwilliam> sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress oflag=sync
[01:02] <samwilliam> maybe some error occurred while coping the iso.
[01:04] <mattfly> can someone help me. Trying to apt upgrade a vps with 20.04 lts but this error: http://ix.io/2SCs
[01:09] <reaVer> samwilliam: that was the command I initially used and i got no errors
[01:15] <reaVer> I'll try the LTS bootable
[01:18] <Bashing-om> reaVer: Verify the .ISO file download ?
[01:19] <samwilliam> mattfly check the ``/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions´´ file, also verify any HOOK SCRIPTS
[01:19] <samwilliam>  you created.
[03:27] <reaVer> samwilliam: turns out the machine I was trying to install it on is a 32bits machine
[03:43] <Bashing-om> reaVer: Thanks for that honest feed back :D
[03:50] <sybariten> is it easy to get some sort of plaintext list of what is actually started automatically when i start my machine? (in terms of services, i mean). My objective is to see if there are two apache instances that are started, independently
[03:57] <sarnold> sybariten: it depends upon how they are started. if there's sytemd units for them both, then systemctl list-units or systemd-analyze blame may be helpful
[03:58] <sarnold> sybariten: but if one of them is started outside of systemd it'll be a lot harder to spot. pstree *might* help, if it was started by a service manager..
[03:58] <sybariten> hm, i see
[03:59] <sybariten> i think first maybe i have to find out if two different apaches are _installed_
[04:00] <qing> Is there something like nautilus-extension-xterm ?
[04:01] <sarnold> sybariten: why do you think there's multiple apaches running?
[04:01] <sybariten> sarnold: well.
[04:03] <sarnold> qing: there's something like a thousand extensions at https://extensions.gnome.org/ .. I dunno if there'd be anything specific to nautilus or xterm there, but if not there might be something similar enough to steal from?
[04:03] <sybariten> I installed this xampp package... and then after that had some trouble making apache actually running on port 8080 . So i tried some things and restarted the xampp (lampp?) service a coupla times, and noticed it had problems stopping and starting apache in the same way as the other services
[04:03] <sybariten> So i tried some other things and eventually made the ports work, but realized i could reach it both on 8080 and 80 - and getting different default server install pages, ya know?
[04:04] <sybariten> so it just seems as maybe there was already an apache(2) installed there before i installed the xampp package
[04:04] <sarnold> aha, so now the question is, is that via two apaches or via one apache with a more complex than usual config...
[04:05] <sarnold> sybariten: try running sudo ss -tlpn and looking for the two ports in question
[04:05] <sybariten> sarnold:no i think thats two different apaches. Should be noted though that the xampp package isnt installed via apt-get but rather a wget and then a specific installer , so the "system" maybe less aware of the xampp apache if i try to list packages
[04:06] <sybariten> sarnold: ok i think first i'll reboot the machine to get the default current stage
[04:06] <sybariten> brb
[04:25] <sybariten> Hmmm yeah OK so directly upon boot i can only reach the web server on one port now actually, 80. But i suspect that xampp isnt running and if i (re)start it i will also be able to reach 8080
[04:25] <sybariten> ps -aux shows at least one apache2 instance
[04:33] <sybariten> Hmmm yeah the xampp service-restarter actually says there already is another apache running
[04:35] <qing> How to add a 'open xterm' to nautilus context menu?
[04:36] <qih> Hi all, is Xubuntu, Ubuntu with XFCE DE or is it slightly different?
[04:42] <Bashing-om> qih: Ubder the hood is the same - difference is the Desktop environment and default installed apps.
[04:43] <qih> OK, good enough, thank you.
[04:43] <Bashing-om> Under*
[04:43] <qih> Is OK, oddly enough, I worked that out 8-)
[05:01] <ptah> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:01] <ptah> oops
[05:02] <qih> Is OK, we know you meant that
[05:02] <ptah> lol
[05:02]  * qih runs to WHOIS, DIG, Finger etc
[05:03] <ptah> thats a dns ip
[05:03] <ptah> :)
[05:03] <qih> Was going to say, is only a boring AT&T IP
[05:19] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using Ubuntu Budgie 20.04 ... I am not familiar with the Budgie desktop ....How do I adjust the desktop wallpaper ? I mean SCALED/STRETCH/CENTER ?
[05:23] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-budgie    and read the channel    /topic
[05:25] <john_rambo>  /join #ubuntu-budgie
[06:42] <Heston> hi guys, i was trying out an older live usb (xubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64) and I made an aditional partition on the usb stick with the remaining space after I dd the image to the usb. I then formatted the linux partition as ext4, boot into ubuntu and it proceeds to tell me the partition is either already mounted or the mount point is in use when neither are true
[06:43] <Heston> what do
[07:31] <r0str0> Hi, in a clean install of Ubuntu 20.04 after just 2 days of little use, it does not open "Settings". The system reported the error the first time, after several reboots I still can't open the system settings.
[07:33] <qwertuttyty> ubuntu-mate 18-21.04. do I understand correctly that I can't change the voltage to my own via cpufreq for the CPU? Just the frequency? cpufreq does not work properly for my processor it greatly overstates the voltage vcore. Compared to voltage in Windows. I'm not talking about that in the picture https://ibb.co/wggy6GZ. I mean, through editing a file or something?
[07:39] <qwertuttyty> AMD with windows driver for cpu, powersave for 1400hz vcore 0.912v. In ubuntu-mate poversave (1400) 1.200v. CPU max 3400Hz
[07:44] <qwertuttyty> https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-Athlon%20X4%20840%20-%20AD840XYBI44JA.html 3800Hz if turbo mode
[07:50] <r0str0> works for me after, service gdm restart, and some weird things in the login, but it's strange, it's a clean install.
[08:13] <qwertuttyty> hwinfo: core 0,1,2,3 vid 0,912v. Core voltage 0.925v. Still the difference with 1.200v
[08:13] <qwertuttyty> large (mbmon)
[08:14] <qwertuttyty>  Still the difference with 1.200v  large (mbmon)
[08:30] <qwertuttyty> 1500 hz core 0,1,2,3 vid 0.931v - ok
[08:31] <qwertuttyty> 1496Hz
[08:36] <qwertuttyty> NB VID 0.975v (1400hz), NB VID 0.993v (1496hz)
[08:36] <qwertuttyty> windows hwinfo
[08:38] <qwertuttyty> NB VID 0.994v (1496hz)
[09:28] <unixbsd_1> hello world
[09:28] <unixbsd_1> how to add PetMod MOD into .config/dhewm3    for doom3 (dhewm3)?  I try to use mods, because doom3(dhewm3) is fine but ok, quite boring.
[09:44] <AndroUser10> any command to check continuously if a wireless device is connected on local network?
[09:48] <AndroUser10> Hello
[09:48] <AndroUser10> suppose wireless device is <IP_ADDRESS>,how can i check if that device is still connected to the network continuously from command line from say <IP_ADDRESS> (wired)
[09:50] <catbeard> ping ?
[09:50] <blaklistd> Good idea
[09:50] <blaklistd> Unlimited ping should be a good
[09:54] <AndroUser10> one more thing, how to get mac address from ip address in the same setup?
[09:57] <blaklistd> AndroUser10: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-scan-for-ip-addresses-on-your-network-with-linux/
[10:02] <AndroUser10> catbeard, blacklistd, thank you
[11:12] <JoeLlama> can't open .URL in ubuntu using firefox.  can't understand hows to do from website instructions... what's the trick?
[11:17] <unixbsd_1> try maybe, pkill -9 firefo* ;  firefox $HOME/.URL    ;   or maybe cleanup your $HOME/.cache/  directory
[11:22] <JoeLlama> nope I don't think that's it :(
[11:22] <JoeLlama> ah well
[11:23] <JoeLlama> gunna be a pain to fix I think.ll  there used to be a quick fix online dunno where it is now
[11:23] <JoeLlama> URL files from windows
[11:23] <JoeLlama> can't stomach windows anymore
[11:24] <JoeLlama> kept thinking I had a virus in windows until I realized..l windows is the virus
[11:25] <JoeLlama> I need to open a windows .url on firefox in ubuntu
[11:25] <JoeLlama> what's the trick?
[11:40] <unixbsd_1> JoeLlama: Linux will freedom your world and life !! welcome to free, santa freedom cruz life ;)!  !!!
[11:41] <unixbsd_1> JoeLlama: rm -rf ~/.cache ~/.config/firefo*  and give a try, maybe your cache or seomthing. otherwise, get a try : apt-get install -y dillo ;   dillo ~/.URL
[11:47] <JoeLlama> How do you open a .url file from firefox running under windows in firefox running under ubuntu?
[11:48] <unixbsd_1>   I dont uunderstand much, but maybe this :    firefox "$( cat ~/.URL )"
[11:50] <JoeLlama> hrm...  I think I am looking for a well known solution on a website someplace...  I just can't understand how to set it all up unixbsd_1 ...  thanks for the input though...
[11:50] <JoeLlama> I did find this and I am trying to understand it: bash -c "cat %f | grep -e 'URL\([[].*[]]\)\{0,1\}=' | cut -d= -f 2| xargs opera &"
[11:50] <JoeLlama> that opens it in opera
[11:50] <unixbsd_1> maybe post a screenshot ... I have not much clues your situation.
[11:51] <unixbsd_1> ah ... ok.
[11:51] <unixbsd_1> I can do it in C for you if you want. C will work.
[11:51] <JoeLlama> hrm thanks unixbsd_1
[11:51] <unixbsd_1> give me the file, I can decode it.
[11:51] <JoeLlama> heh
[11:52] <JoeLlama> well I want it to auto-open without modding them...
[11:52] <JoeLlama> I can do that in C also :)
[11:52] <JoeLlama> thanks unixbsd_1  though
[11:52] <unixbsd_1> When I hack I use C language, it is way stronger
[11:52] <JoeLlama> yeah I like C
[11:52] <unixbsd_1> if you use bash, you will sooon or later go to dead end with happy hacking. C is master for hacks
[11:52] <JoeLlama> okay I keep researching this online...
[11:52] <JoeLlama> years ago I found the fix but I dunno where that is
[11:52] <unixbsd_1> Do you want  a startup kit to learn C hacking?
[11:53] <JoeLlama> um...  no thanks unixbsd_1
[11:53] <JoeLlama> mostly when I use C I am creating embedded systems...  I don't hack much
[11:53] <JoeLlama> well not these days
[11:53] <unixbsd_1> what about a grep in C, in 25 lines only?  this pipe grep works better than grep from default linux...
[11:54] <unixbsd_1> with that startup kit you can hack maybe your file: https://termbin.com/0xpe
[11:55] <JoeLlama> hrm...  maybe later...  link looks scary (:
[11:56] <unixbsd_1> ahh keep it precious... soon or later. you will need this file.
[12:29] <SPF> How can I run slack from crontab? It doesn't start because of snap? I tried /usr/bin/snap run slack. It doesn't generate any output
[12:29] <unixbsd_1> what is slack?
[12:30] <SPF> unixbsd_1: slack is a snap application based on Electron
[12:31] <unixbsd_1> never heard
[12:31] <unixbsd_1> even electron, never heard.
[12:33] <SPF> unixbsd_1: doesn't really matter, I generally want to know how to start snap applications from crontab, unless you haven't heard of snap?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:43] <unixbsd_1> i cant help with snap. no idea, i use apt-get.
[12:59] <unknownlinuxuser> Hello!
[14:00] <willer> any blue light filter that I can control by using the mouse scrollwheel on a widget to set the colour temp?
[14:06] <lintro[m]1> How can I change the default Secret Service provider defined in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.secrets.service as gnome-keyring?
[14:06] <lintro[m]1> They are telling me I can't edit /usr/share directly and it will be overwritten by the next upgrade to gnome-keyring
[14:06] <lintro[m]1> PROBLEM: change Secret Service default provider from gnome-keyring to something else
[16:26] <goddard> does the nvidia-smi settings affect windows?
[16:28] <oerheks> "windows" as in ms windows?
[16:29] <goddard> ya
[16:30] <oerheks> never heard of such idea
[16:31] <goddard> well it happened to me
[16:32] <leftyfb> goddard: what did you do?
[16:32] <oerheks> unlikely
[16:32] <goddard> i set the pm mode to 1
[16:32] <goddard> to persist
[16:32] <goddard> now some cuda programs aren't working
[16:32] <leftyfb> goddard: negative
[16:33] <leftyfb> "Set the persistence mode for the target GPUs. See the (GPU ATTRIBUTES)
[16:33] <leftyfb>  section for a description of persistence mode. Requires root. Will
[16:33] <leftyfb>  impact all GPUs unless a single GPU is specified using the -i argument.
[16:33] <leftyfb>  The effect of this operation is immediate. However, it does not per-
[16:33] <leftyfb>  sist across reboots. After each reboot persistence mode will default
[16:33] <leftyfb>  to "Disabled". Available on Linux only."
[16:33] <goddard> strange it seems to have had an effect
[16:34] <leftyfb> goddard: it doesn't
[16:35] <goddard> well i need some explaination
[16:35] <goddard> so far that is all i have changed
[16:36] <gnUser> How can I identify programs that might be phoning home from Ubuntu 20.04?
[16:38] <oerheks> gnUser, AFAIK none of them do, only update gives a bleep, monitor your network traffic?
[16:47] <agvantibo> Does file-roller unpack split 7-zip archives?
[16:48] <oerheks> agvantibo, if you install p7zip-full, it could?
[16:53] <agvantibo> Thanks, oerheks. Already done this. I am SMB-ing a giant split archive from a Windows PC, and want to know beforehand. I know that `7zr x first-file.7z.001` will do the trick anyway, but...
[16:56] <agvantibo> Okaay... I'll try and let you guys (and girls???) know
[16:59] <ewomer> Staying at a friends house and after rebooting Ubuntu(kubuntu) wont connect to router/modem, I have to run ' sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart' and then 'sudo dhclient' to get it to connect
[17:36] <oerheks> sudo snap install rigs-of-rods
[17:44] <remline> I added this to /etc/udev/rules.d: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="backlight", GROUP="video", MODE="0664". /sys/class/backlight is still in the "root" group. Shouldn't it have changed to the "video" group?
[17:53] <aleksei-hash> Hello everyone! So I'm new on ubuntu OS and I'm in trouble. When I'm trying to install or update something on the terminal, it says me: Updates from such a repository cannot be done securely, and are therefore disabled by default. I found none fixes on the net so could somebody help me please?
[17:53] <aleksei-hash> PS: I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 OS
[18:03] <leibniz[m]> Is there a way to make "drag tab to create window" of firefox LESS sensitive?
[18:08] <unixbsd_1> i use groovy, it works ok
[18:08] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: the apt repository which this warning is about is probably not maintained anymore, nor the software you have installed from there. we'd need to see the full output, on paste.ubuntu.com, to provide a better answer.
[18:08] <unixbsd_1> aleksei-hash: I give you my sources.list
[18:09] <unixbsd_1> you need a good /etc/apt/sources.list  ... this one works: https://termbin.com/82hr
[18:16] <aleksei-hash> Thank's! But how could I install that
[18:17] <tomreyn> unixbsd_1: this is for grooxy, aleksei-hash is on 20.04 LTS (focal)
[18:18] <tomreyn> *groovy
[18:18] <unixbsd_1> to install on debian (ubuntu), you need : sudo   apt-get install  libreoffice
[18:18] <unixbsd_1> sudo apt-get update
[18:20] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: if you can post the URLs returned by      sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    and    apt-cache policy 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    i think we will be able to help you fix this problem.
[18:21] <unixbsd_1> to search for a name of a package, do (for instance we search "vim" ):     apt-cache search vim
[18:21] <aleksei-hash> I installed libreoffice but I have the same error message
[18:22] <tomreyn> right, that's unrelated
[18:23] <tomreyn> i'm not sure why unixbsd_1 even brought this up
[18:24] <aleksei-hash> https://termbin.com/psar
[18:24] <aleksei-hash> This is this URL
[18:25] <aleksei-hash> And for the second one, I  have https://termbin.com/wf79
[18:25] <unixbsd_1> groetjes
[18:25] <unixbsd_1> so try another source list, maybe be is offline
[18:25] <unixbsd_1> us. is usually slow, but more stable
[18:25] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: so yuo have a PPA configured, which does not (no longer) exist
[18:26] <aleksei-hash> Oh, how can I remove it?
[18:26] <unixbsd_1> in used in be, they were sometiimes offlines. a stable one is sometimes cool to have.
[18:26] <tomreyn> unixbsd_1: editing or replacing the sources.list file is not going to help here, this PPA is most likely configured in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:26] <unixbsd_1> ah ok.
[18:27] <unixbsd_1> thx
[18:27] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: you will probably need to manually identify the apt source configuration in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which points to this PPA
[18:27] <unixbsd_1> I use to install using deboostrap, so I do all manually.
[18:27] <tomreyn> and delete the file
[18:28] <aleksei-hash> What command should I use?
[18:29] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: sudo grep -rF 'gnome3-team/gnome3' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:29] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: this is just a command to identify the file we need to remove
[18:29] <tomreyn> it doesn't actually do it, yet
[18:30] <aleksei-hash> Ok, I have this
[18:30] <aleksei-hash> apt-cache policy 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:30] <tomreyn> ?
[18:30] <aleksei-hash> https://termbin.com/mavk
[18:30] <aleksei-hash> Sorry
[18:31] <tomreyn> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gnome3-team-ubuntu-gnome3-focal.list
[18:31] <tomreyn> this will delete the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gnome3-team-ubuntu-gnome3-focal.list which so far configures the apt source, which no longer exists, and causes the error message
[18:32] <tomreyn> once this is done, do    sudo apt update    it should no longer report this error message then.
[18:34] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: before you decide to use any PPA, which is generally not supported here, and can break things badly, make sure you read the PPAs web page - every PPA has one.
[18:34] <tomreyn> this ones' is at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3
[18:36] <tomreyn> on these web pages, read the "PPA description" to learn what its support status is and whether it explicitly says that you cannot or should not use it.
[18:36] <aleksei-hash> Oh, it's fixed! Thank you bro))
[18:36] <tomreyn> then scroll down to "overview of published packages", and use tehe "any series" drop down to see whether this PPA actually provides packages for your Ubuntu release.
[18:37] <tomreyn> your Ubuntu release is Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, codename "focal"
[18:38] <tomreyn> you will notice that "focal" is not on the drop down list, so this PPA does not provide packages for your ubuntu release, and thus cannot be used with it.
[18:38] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: you're welcome, and please read and trey to follow the above, you'll keep running into this situation so it's really good to understand this soon.
[18:39] <unixbsd_1> what is a PPA by the way?
[18:40] <aleksei-hash> Ok ok thank's!
[18:40] <tomreyn> !PPA | unixbsd_1
[18:42] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: do you remember why you tried to add this PPA in the first place? maybe we can find a better solution?
[18:43] <aleksei-hash> Yes, I wanted to install komorebi
[18:49] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: this, right? https://github.com/cheesecakeufo/komorebi
[18:49] <unixbsd_1> ah ppa is like non-free and contrib, thx
[18:51] <aleksei-hash> Yeah
[18:52] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: this software does not seem to be packaged for ubuntu or debian (which a relevant part of the community maintained packages in ubuntu are based on)
[18:53] <tomreyn> i see how this web page points to the PPA you tried to use - but your ubuntu release is too new for it to work. it seems like this software is not well supported anymore.
[18:55] <aleksei-hash> Okk, I understand better now tnx!
[18:56] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: there are so-called "gnome (shell)  extensionsgnome extensions" which can add more functionality to gnome. on the other hand, if incompatible or badly done, they can also break your graphical desktop. which is why most of them are not supported in ubuntu or here. but if you want to give it a try nevertheless, you can try this one: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1131/desk-changer/
[18:57] <tomreyn> (it is reported to work on your ubuntu release, 20.04, in the comments)
[19:00] <tomreyn> generally, the basic functionality to change the wallpaper is also available from the "gnome tweaks" application which you can install using    sudo apt install gnome-tweaks   and run by looking for "tweaks" on the desktop menu
[19:00] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: ^
[19:02] <aleksei-hash> Yeah but I would like a live wallpaper
[19:07] <unixbsd_1> the wallpaper is powered by the desktop app, that you use like xfdesktop, kde desktop, ... and so on. Or, if you use a wm,  feh --bg-tile wallpaper.png  gives it on root of x11.
[19:08] <tomreyn> aleksei-hash: someone has made a copy of komorebi and developed it further, providing a package they say is compatible with ubuntu 20.04 now. https://github.com/Komorebi-Fork/komorebi - but I cannot tell whether this actually works, or does bad to your computer or data, and it's certianly not supported here.
[19:08] <unixbsd_1> sheep wallpaper something is live wallpaper
[19:35] <dg1727> I might be affected by https://github.com/gwsw/less/issues/108 and someone on ##linux suggested I might look for Ubuntu support about this
[19:44] <cart_man> Hey I have a request that I think will work really cool. For a release of ubuntu but first I just want to find out if it isn't already possible
[19:44] <cart_man> Soo... when you set virtual screens. I have 4 on my PC and I love it
[19:45] <cart_man> I have three screens and sometimes people want to watch stuff on the third screen which for obv reason doesn't work well because I switch quite intensively.
[19:45] <cart_man> So is there a feature that can make one screen static ?
[19:45] <cart_man> so that it doesn't swap with the rest of the Desktop selections?>
[19:50] <tomreyn> dg1727: if you run a supported ubuntu release (see /topic ) you can report a bug:
[19:50] <tomreyn> !bug | dg1727
[19:54] <tomreyn> cart_man: i don't know the immediate answer to your question, but if it refers to a recent ubuntu release, and its default gnome3 based desktop, your best option will be to look for a gnome (shell) extension which provides this functionality. note, however, that those can also break basic functionality of your graphical desktop, and (other than those packaged in ubuntu'm "main" apt repository component) aren't supported here.
[19:54] <dg1727> tomreyn: Thanks.
[19:55] <cart_man> tomreyn: I thought Virtual Desktops come standard with Ubuntu though?
[19:58] <unixbsd_1> vritual desktops are in all the X11 and in all window manager
[19:58] <unixbsd_1> kde hide the virtual desktop with newest version
[19:59] <unixbsd_1> in the past kde had virtual desktop by default, but it was way tooooo complicated for beginners
[19:59] <unixbsd_1> so in kde, go to settinggs and add 4 virtual desktops.
[19:59] <cart_man> ah so in kde you have to switch it on
[19:59] <unixbsd_1> you can also run a scrolling in Linux ;) cool effect !!
[19:59] <cart_man> unixbsd_1: I have it on yea. But I was wondering if you could choose a screen or a desktop that doesn't switch
[20:00] <cart_man> unixbsd_1: Hmmm whats scrolling?
[20:00] <unixbsd_1> you can have 1024x768 pan, and have a large desktop larger, by going on edge and it does scrolling like command commander. that's the power of linux
[20:00] <unixbsd_1> like strategic games, scrolling on edge.
[20:00] <cart_man> unixbsd_1: Ohhh I see....  Is there a PPA I can add to grab a Gnome package for the application Glade? The default package dates back to 2018 (3.22), but the current version is 3.38.1
[20:28] <unixbsd_1> that's nothing, we invented many things. we could also rotate the window or move them, or making them destroy in just fire to close...
[20:29] <oerheks> unixbsd_1, that is history
[20:29] <unixbsd_1> wayland will bring the success ...
[20:30] <oerheks> Kraus, use the snap https://snapcraft.io/glade
[20:30] <oerheks> unixbsd_1, i hope so, i will support wobbly wayland windows
[20:30] <unixbsd_1> end of X11, hurra.
[20:36] <cart_man> unixbsd_1: When is Wayland officialy the new display driver
[20:36] <cart_man> SW Display drive r
[20:36] <cart_man> I guess
[20:37] <oerheks> 21.04 will be default wayland
[20:37] <oerheks> but x11 session will be installed too
[20:37] <unixbsd_1> not long, the goal is to put wayland and to remove x11. bsd will keep x11, they fork it already.
[20:38] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/trying-wayland-by-default-again/20575
[20:51] <cart_man> oerheks: unixbsd_1 WELL if that means my Desktop can stop breaking if I have CRHOME open and switch to another desktop then I am all for it
[20:51] <cart_man> does the X11 take advantage of you GPU?
[20:51] <cart_man> silly question perhaps
[20:53] <unixbsd_1> wayland will be better for gaming
[20:53] <cart_man> unixbsd_1: does Vulkan run on it?
[20:54] <unixbsd_1> Vulkan should be ... on #linux they talk a lot about promises of vulkan
[21:10] <_z_> poophole is a funny word
[21:10] <_z_> -fact-
[21:11] <_z_> freenode is in danger of dying because of topics, im taking it to strange new places
[21:11] <oerheks> _z_ please spread your facts elsewhere. this is ubuntu support only
[21:11] <_z_> good advice
[21:15] <_z_> this channel and all of the 1104 afk useres in it
[21:15] <_z_> users*
[21:16] <_z_> good luck with them channel rules and topics tho
[21:16] <oerheks> Thanks, have fun!
[21:18] <ptah> lol
[21:20] <jayjo> when using VMs on ubuntu with virt-manager, are there negatives to oversubscribing CPUs? For example, my machine has 4 cores. i notice a VM with 2 vCPUs performs much better than 1 vCPU. Can I allocate more vCPUs than I have available? Is there any positives to doing so?
[21:28] <oerheks> jayjo, i think you can, but it is limited to the number of vcpu during install?
[21:28] <oerheks> qemu would give the max number available, AFAIK
[21:29] <tomreyn> jayjo: if the total of vcpus assigned to *running* VMs is the same or higher than actual cpu cores (or threads, i.e. AMD SMT / Intel HT) then the need to do context switching is increased, which involves somewhat costly interrupt calls, i..e VMs and the host system will start slowing each other down a bit.
[21:30] <tomreyn> but in the end, what really matters most is that every guest (and the host) system you run will run with acceptable performance (you are the measure!), so if a guest system seems to perform much better with multiple VCPUs assigned, then it's probably a good idea to assign those.
[21:34] <oerheks> redhat docs show they can hot-add a vcpu.
[21:59] <leftyfb> Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu 20.04.2. I can't seem to get the screen to lock when closing the lid. I've tried setting in gnome with https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CXfzhWtBYn/ . I've tried setting in logind.conf with https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/zHx3CxZp2F/ . Here is the systemd-logind log when closing and opening the lid: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WjmkNR5KSz/     After opening the lid, I'm just back at my desktop without logging in.
[22:10] <aleksei-hash> Hello! Which free antivirus do you advise me for an ubuntu 20.04 OS??
[22:11] <tomreyn> leftyfb: login manager is gdm3, desktop is gnome-shell? X or wayland?
[22:12] <oerheks> There are anti virus product, clamav, rootkithunter and such
[22:12] <oerheks> !antivirus
[22:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: all defaults.
[22:12] <leftyfb> aleksei-hash: I don't recommend any anti-virus for Ubuntu. It's a false sense of security
[22:12] <tomreyn> leftyfb: have you tried the same configuration on another system?
[22:13] <oerheks> aleksei-hash, you might better invesigate howto protect my browser
[22:13] <leftyfb> tomreyn: no, I don't have another laptop I can throw 20.04 onto
[22:13] <tomreyn> hmm maybe a VM could work, too, if you can simulate the lid switch
[22:14] <tomreyn> loginctl lock-sessions
[22:15] <tomreyn> though that's not really simulating a lid switch
[22:15] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I have a previous gen XPS 13 with 18.04 on it. All of the logind.conf settings are hardcoded and the dconf settings for it actually say suspend but that one locks just fine. So I assume those settings are getting ignored
[22:16] <leftyfb> tomreyn: sorry, mistyped, NONE of the logind.conf settings are hardcoded. It's left default
[22:16] <tomreyn> i see. maybe this is being inhibited there.
[22:16] <tomreyn> systemd-inhibit --list
[22:18] <leftyfb> hm
[22:18] <leftyfb> gnome-tweak-tool-lid-inhibitor 1000 leftyfb 3717 python3        handle-lid-switch         user preference       block
[22:19] <leftyfb> tomreyn: within tweaks I have the "Suspend when laptop lid closed" and disabled
[22:19] <tomreyn> you have LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=no   If "no", the inhibitor locks taken by applications are respected.
[22:19] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I tried it with LidSwitchIgnoreInhibit=yes as well, no change
[22:20] <tomreyn> and you restarted the session, not just logged out and in again?
[22:20] <leftyfb> rebooted
[22:21] <tomreyn> ok, that's all i could think of :-/
[22:21] <leftyfb> gnome-tweak-tool-lid-inhibitor is listed on my 18.04 laptop as well, so it's not that
[22:26] <leftyfb> I just set everything back to default including the gsettings back to "suspend" for everything. Closing the lid still triggers logind to output "lid closed" and "lid opened" in the log. But the laptop doesn't lock nor suspend
[22:27] <leftyfb> so apparently the gsettings and logind are both being ignored
[22:29] <ptah> leftyfb, setting them to default doesnt the problem
[22:29] <oerheks> leftyfb, do you have autologin enabled?
[22:30] <ptah> fix*
[22:30] <leftyfb> oerheks: negative
[22:30] <oerheks> oh, then it is curious
[22:30] <leftyfb> yeah. I never get the easy ones
[22:30] <ptah> leftyfb, setting them to default doesnt the fix problem
[22:31] <johnfg> hi guys
[22:32] <johnfg> I believe that the fix was done, or it's in, for firefox, but it's still not showing up in my updates.  Any idea when it's going to be released?
[22:32] <ptah> leftyfb, but im not sure what it is
[22:33] <tomreyn> johnfg: what fix, which firefox, which updates?
[22:33] <leftyfb> johnfg: what fix are you referring to? Also, maybe just wait. You will unlikely find the developers for Firefox nor the maintainers of the packages here in this chat
[22:33] <johnfg> Another - I'm in #chromium (using it because firefox won't run) asking this question as well: is there a keyboard shortcut to go either backwards or forwards on a webpage?
[22:33] <oerheks> maybe in the 87.0b9-1*now* beta https://snapcraft.io/firefox  ??
[22:34] <leftyfb> johnfg: ALT+left and ALT+right  same as in every browser on the planet
[22:35] <johnfg> tomreyn: leftyfb: I won't bother to give the bug number, but the one we discussed a while ago, and seems to be fairly prevalent.  The devs got it fixed pretty quickly, and said it would be here, but it hasn't made it.
[22:36] <oerheks> oh, and what firefox version is that fix, johnfg ?
[22:36] <oerheks> lolz
[22:36] <leftyfb> johnfg: sorry, if you want help, you'll need to give the bug number or a link. We help a lot of people here and can't be expected to remember every detail of every problem every user has ever had
[22:36] <tomreyn> johnfg: please don't take it personal, i don't remember all the details from all the previous chats i've had here
[22:36] <johnfg> leftyfb: Thanks!  I guess chromium help with the listing of keyboard shortcuts must have figured everyone knew them (except me) :-)
[22:37] <johnfg> tomreyn: Np, I didn't mean that I would *not* show it, but since the bug is fixed (so I was told), we don't need to rehash the specifics.  Does that make sense?
[22:38] <tomreyn> johnfg: to me it makes a lot of sense to discuss which fix you expect to happen, on which ubuntu release, to be shipped, when you say it hasn't been.
[22:39] <tomreyn> johnfg: generally, make sure to provide the very basic system details when you ask support questions, otherwise it's hardly possible to help.
[22:39] <tomreyn> !details | johnfg
[23:39] <quadrathoch2> is there a specific snapd help channel?
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !snap | quadrathoch2 There is a forum:
[23:46] <quadrathoch2> thanks Bashing-om :)
[23:46] <quadrathoch2> but I was rather looking for an irc channel :/
[23:49] <leftyfb> quadrathoch2: #snappy
[23:49] <Bashing-om> quadrathoch2: "alis" may have a listing. try on this server ' /msg alis list *snap* ' - ' /msg alis help list ' for help.
[23:56] <quadrathoch2> thanks to you both :) leftyfb Bashing-om


[17:00] <wrst> hello chris4585
[17:10] <chris4585> hey wrst, how are you?
[17:16] <wrst> doing well chris4585 all going well?
[17:20] <chris4585> wrst, so far so good
[17:38] <wrst> work still going ok?
[18:01] <chris4585> wrst, sorry for the delay, waiting for them to call still
[18:02] <wrst> ahh waiting is not fun!
[18:21] <chris4585> nope


[11:37] <jtaylor> can someone in precise please start simutrans and select german as language and see if it crashes?
[11:40] <iceroot> jtaylor: sure
[11:40] <jtaylor> thx
[11:41] <iceroot> jtaylor: its working on 12.04 and i can select German/Deutsch on my already german system
[11:41] <jtaylor> k just quantal then
[11:42] <jtaylor> looking at bug 1113356
[11:44] <iceroot> jtaylor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/simutrans.png  maybe you need that
[13:02] <melodie> hello
[13:03] <penguin42> hi
[13:03] <melodie> I would like to know if the following would be considered as a bug : in a Lubuntu install, I was about to remove chromium-browser, bacause I installed Midori to replace it : then the package manager wants to install the firefox packages instead. What do you think ?
[13:03] <melodie> hi penguin42
[13:04] <penguin42> hmm
[13:05] <penguin42> that sounds like there is something asking for 'a web browser' so that when chrome is removed it decides it wants another one, but for some reason midori isn't listed
[13:06] <melodie> then what should I do ? If I am to seek for a bug report formerly posted what key words should I use ?
[13:07] <melodie> one more question : what If I don't want any web browser, am I not free to not have one in an Ubuntu box ? (in the worse case of course)
[13:08] <penguin42> the question is figuring out what it is that has the dependency; for example ubuntu-desktop seems to have a dependency specifically on firefox, but that's ok you can remove the ubuntu-desktop package for example
[13:09] <penguin42> melodie: I'm not sure what I'd report that bug against until I found the thing with the dependency
[13:10] <penguin42> melodie: it's odd, because midori seems to have the 'Provides: www-browser' tag on it, so if that's just what something was asking for it should be fine
[13:12] <melodie> I am not sure I understand what you just said. all i know is midori is installed in that box of mine (I have lubuntu at different places, here it's in vbox, to make tests in it)
[13:13] <melodie> I think that "something" didn't find it if this is what is seeking for. else, it's seeking for else than www-browser ?
[13:26] <melodie> penguin42, I didn't find any related bug, it does not mean that there is not one filed up, but I'll post one of mine : if I ever find the link to "New bug" ! :-(
[13:26] <melodie> where is the link to new  bug please ?
[13:26] <penguin42> melodie: The easiest thing is from your running system to type   ubuntu-bug   packagename
[13:27] <penguin42> melodie: You need to pick a package - but it's difficult to say at this point
[13:28] <penguin42> melodie: Packages have 'dependencies' - i.e. to install y-package you *must* have  z-package installed
[13:28] <penguin42> melodie: y-package might say it needs www-browser  or it might say it needs firefox, or it might say it needs 'firefox|chromium-browser'
[13:28] <penguin42> melodie: If you find y-package?
[13:29]  * penguin42 pops out
[13:34] <melodie> how do you want me to find y-package, penguin42 ?
[13:35] <melodie> launching ubuntu-bug agains chromium-browser
[13:36] <melodie> anyhow this package should be removed without triggering the install of another web-browser : the users are not that stupid ?
[13:37] <melodie> penguin42, I can't use apport to do that, there is no option to write something there
[13:38] <melodie> it just allows "sending a bug" : but what bug if I can't say what is bothering ?
[13:40] <melodie> ok : it opens a window with an url in... chromium browser!
[13:44] <melodie> now what ? :o
[13:44] <melodie> I tried to get the url from the invited to the host and put it in Firefox in my host:
[13:44] <melodie> https://login.launchpad.net/hNVZVX1d2w7N7LXP/+decide
[13:44] <melodie> answer:
[13:44] <melodie> Invalid OpenID transaction
[13:44] <melodie> is that bug report system just mad ?
[13:47] <melodie> go the link !
[13:47] <melodie> had to search it from ubuntu.com directly
[13:59] <melodie> bug report sent, result "Timeout error"
[13:59] <melodie> :@
[14:00] <melodie> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work.
[14:00] <melodie> I'll have to write it again. never seen that at launchpad so far.
[14:00] <melodie> really !
[14:09] <melodie> done !
[14:09] <melodie> penguin42, here is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1113490
[14:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1113490 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Web browser packages management in Precise 12.04 is crazy " [Undecided,New]
[19:27] <phillw> Hi folks, I'm in my usual confused state. Part of the instructions for registering bugs states that you need to have a signed PGP key on your launchpad account, yet one of the guys who registers bugs does not have one. Thus my confusion!
[19:43] <penguin42> you don't need a key to report bugs
[19:43] <penguin42> phillw: Where did you find that?
[19:58] <phillw> penguin42: I'm now trawling through the various wiki links to try and find the offending article!
[20:04] <penguin42> phillw: You just need a login on launchpad
[20:05] <phillw> penguin42: thanks, I can remove all of that from the pre-requisites to the classroom session. I cannot now find the wiki page that stated it, but will keep my eye open for it :)
[20:06] <penguin42> hehe
[20:09] <phillw> penguin42: thanks for the clarification, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_2 is now good to go :)
[20:11] <penguin42> cool
[20:19] <phillw> people from -bugs are welcome to attend for when people ask me questions I cannot answer :)
[20:20] <penguin42> you picked the wrong week; I'll be working that week
[20:22]  * TheLordOfTime glances at the link
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> bleh, phillw
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> you scheduled that into the time when i'm busyish :/
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  also, penguin42's right, you don't need a key nor PGP key nor otherwise to report a bug.
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> just an LP account
[20:24] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: so I have learned. and, as ever, the wiki page that told me that you do is no where to be found!
[20:24] <TheLordOfTime> probably because it was never there :P
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  there's a section on using bazaar to submit a patch, somewhere else...
[20:25] <penguin42> I think they hide when ever you spot them
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> but rthat's implied you need a key
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> and of course, debdiffs, and debuild -S, they need PGP keys
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> ... and why do i have 3 *new* PGP keys I didn't have before?
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[20:26] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  true statement
[20:28] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: if truth be know, I was hoping Nicholas or some one from -bugs would be holding the session :) But, what the heck... you can all complain later for stuff I get wrong :P
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> you never bothered emailing the bugsquad and bugcontrol lists did you?  or at least email bugsquad's list, and then someone forwards to bug control.
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  i'll be aroundish
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> or rather try to be, for the first session
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> but i'm not running the session :p
[20:34] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: as I have to cover reporting bugs on test cases as well as the general bug reporting, I am okay with holding it :)
[20:34] <phillw> a few friendly faces in classroom-chat will be welcome :)
[20:34] <TheLordOfTime> i can't be there the entire time, i have class at 12:00 UTC-5
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> so i have to dart out at about 11:45 UTC-5
[20:35] <phillw> I'm sure Gema will be more than able to hold her own on the following session :D
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> (add 5 hours to the times above to get UTC)
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> i'm more concerned about your session
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> because if someone asks where they should report their hardware not working, well...
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> we run into weird edge cases where it could fall into two possible destinations instead of one, since the wiki mentions where hardware bugs go
[21:36] <melodie> bye
[21:40] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: That's not normally two bad, in general the guys who know about it tend to be the same guys on both sides, although I guess it's to go with the more specific one (like tending to go with X even if it's likely to be the DRM driver in the kernel)
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> true, its when we get asked "How should I file it?" it becomes confusing
[21:41] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: yeh I guess at some point it comes down to gut feel
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> my specialty's server bugs. and a few select packages.  so...
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[21:45] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: It's one of those things like when a particular server won't work with a particular client and you have no clue which is at fault
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> except usually its kernel, since there's no X there :P


[00:16] <yuhong>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY asdasd
[00:17] <yuhong> There are not as many kernel in ubuntu as in debian
[00:17] <yuhong> The kernels in ubuntu does not enable mce, debian kernels do.
[00:17] <yuhong> I wonder why
[02:51] <newc> hi, i have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ and im about to compile the kernel on ubuntu 7.10 i386, on make xconfig, on processor type, should i select
[02:51] <newc> MK7 or MK8?
[02:57] <johanbr> It should run either, but you probably want k8
[02:58] <newc> so, to use 64bit compiled packages, where do i set it on kernel?
[02:58] <newc> on the quantity of RAM?
[02:58] <newc> 4 or 64 GB?
[02:58] <newc> i dont want 64bit packages, im just curious cause im kind of confused
[02:59] <newc> on the kernel stuff relatated to that
[03:00] <mjg59> You can't easily build a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit system
[03:00] <mjg59> You'd need a cross compiler
[03:02] <newc> i see, but which kernel configs are related to the diference between building a 64bit kernel and a 32 bit one?
[03:04] <johanbr> CONFIG_64BIT
[03:05] <newc> right
[03:06] <newc> and another question: is there any ubuntu patch to the kernel or the ubuntu kernel team is resposable for packing only?
[03:08] <johanbr> The ubuntu kernels have lots of patches.
[03:09] <newc> nice, that is why it takes some time to go to the repositories, right?
[03:10] <newc> well, ill reboot, keep the nice work guys =)
[06:48] <bullgard4> What is the main defference between kernels 2.6.22-14 and <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:49] <bullgard4> What is the main difference between kernels 2.6.22-14 and <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:09] <bullgard4> Where can I find definitions of the technical terms 'The latest stable version of the Linux kernel', 'The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree', 'The latest snapshot for the stable Linux kernel tree', 'The latest snapshot for the stable Linux kernel tree'? See http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner
[13:51] <zul> www.kernel.org
[23:25] <crimsun> freeflying: sorry it took so long to get back to you WRT the patch.  Is it an AC'97 or an HDA series?
[23:29] <crimsun> freeflying: (i.e., since I don't have that hardware, did you really mean to patch pci/hda/hda_intel.c::pci_device_id azx_ids[]?)


[05:50] <_ion> summon Keybuk
[06:06] <Amaranth> _ion: dang that usually works
[07:06] <_ion> Darn.
[07:06] <_ion> I just missed him.
[10:42] <_ion> Hi Keybuk
[10:43] <Keybuk> heyhey
[10:44] <_ion> Here <http://johan.kiviniemi.name/software/bzr/upstart-ruby/upstart/cfgfile.y> is some preliminary parser code for this <http://johan.kiviniemi.name/software/bzr/upstart-ruby/testcfg> syntax.
[10:44] <_ion> When the final syntax has been decided, i'll write the graphviz thing using that.
[10:45] <Keybuk> cool
[10:46] <_ion> I still haven't been able to come up with a good replacement for 'FOO'. :-)
[10:52] <Keybuk> heh, me neither
[10:52] <Keybuk> or event.d
[10:58] <_ion> Perhaps someone at the mailing list would have a flash of creativity, after which we'd wonder why we weren't able to think of such obvious names.
[10:58] <Seveas> /etc/state?
[11:04] <Keybuk> Seveas: also contains services and tasks
[11:05] <Seveas> /etc/upstart/{services,tasks,...] /?
[11:06] <_ion> Seems like somewhat arbitrary difference for splitting them to different directories.
[11:07] <_ion> /etc/upstart/services/foo and /etc/upstart/tasks/foo  what to do with 'start foo'?
[11:08] <Seveas> /etc/tehpowah/
[11:10] <Keybuk> /etc/init.d would be perfect, but it's already used :p
[11:10] <_ion> :-)
[11:10] <_ion> /etc/upstart would be quite good, but then what to do if we ever want to add configuration files for upstart, e.g. to define profiles?
[11:10] <_ion> /etc/upstart.d?
[11:10] <Keybuk> yeah, I've wanted to reserve "upstart" for config, etc.
[11:11] <Keybuk> is ".d" appropriate?
[11:11] <Keybuk> the ".d" is a weird thing :)
[11:11] <_ion> Having the directories /etc/upstart and /etc/upstart.d would be quite confusing. :-)
[11:11] <Keybuk> indeed
[12:09] <Keybuk> /etc/abc.d
[12:09] <Keybuk> /etc/substance.d
[12:10] <Keybuk> (perhaps too literary)
[12:11] <_ion> /etc/shizzle
[12:11] <_ion> That would be difficult to forget. ;-)
[12:14] <Keybuk> it could be worse
[12:14] <Keybuk> an early name for "upstart" was "whend"
[12:14] <Keybuk> complete with a logo of a woman in an apron
[12:16] <cortana> so, can i delete /etc/inittab on an edgy machine?
[12:17] <Keybuk> cortana: yes
[12:17] <cortana> cool
[12:17] <Keybuk> the only thing you'll lose is the "default runlevel" setting
[12:17] <cortana> thought so, thanks
[12:17] <_ion> "whend", hehe.