[00:00] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362352
[00:00] <asac> am i tired or is the problem hard to identify ;)
[00:00] <asac> i mean understanding his problem ;)
[00:01] <asac> directhex: the one in the test page is similar
[00:01] <directhex> asac, i know, but i DEFINITELY got the ubufox window with my version
[00:01] <asac> ah you do some data
[00:01] <directhex> i'll take a screenshot for posterity!
[00:11] <Lns> Hey all, a couple things I wanted to bring up
[00:12] <directhex> asac, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox-2/miscellanous-junk/?pid=220#picture_nav
[00:12] <Lns> In Jaunty w/Firefox 3.0.8, I was having major issues on Facebook when Adblock Plus was installed (even when completely deactivated). I couldn't do anything on FB - comment, see many pictures, etc... it wasn't until I completely removed Adblock that things actually started working again (even though, as I said, it was disabled)
[00:13] <Lns> Second thing, is there a way to remove the authentication from a closed tab so, say, someone can't come up to my browser instance and go history -> recently closed tabs, and re-open my, say, authenticated firewall config page?
[00:23] <asac> directhex: yeah. thats how its supposed to work
[00:23] <asac> Lns: have you tried a different adblock version?
[00:24] <Lns> asac: nope just tried the latest one from mozilla addons
[00:24] <directhex> asac, and DOES work! barring the whole "everyone on the internet uses plugin detection" issue
[00:24] <Lns> asac: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865 i believe (not on the same system but i'm sure this is it)
[00:25] <asac> Lns: removing authentication from the tab is difficult ... especially if its session cookies. i dont think there is such a feature. guess you should close app (remember tabs) and start it to get that effect
[00:25] <Lns> oh another thing I noticed (in jaunty) when i install the adobe flash plugin, it doesn't ask me to restart, and when i re-visit the flash page it prompts me to install the plugin again.
[00:25] <asac> Lns: its a bug that it prompts you again
[00:25] <asac> it used to work without restart
[00:25] <Lns> asac: rgr
[00:25] <asac> but something broke that
[00:25] <asac> i haven't tracked that down
[00:26] <asac> yet
[00:26] <Lns> no worries just thought i'd throw it out there =)
[00:26] <asac> its known ;)
[00:26] <asac> a bunch of bugs about that
[00:26] <Lns> cool...yeah the one that worried me the most was the closed tabs thing
[00:26] <asac> its kind of an interesting idea
[00:26] <Lns> i can see both sides of the issue..but i'd have to think that most people would assume when the tab is closed your session w/the site is also closed
[00:27] <Lns> just like if yo uclose the browser window itself
[00:27] <asac> maybe a feature that allows you to invalidate session cookies for current tab/page might exist in form of some extension
[00:28] <asac> Lns: i know, but its difficult.maybe user has more tabs open from same site and so on
[00:28] <Lns> asac: there's no way for FF to know that the tab being closed is the last one from the site open, and therefore closes the session cookie?
[00:28] <Lns> i know i'm probably greatly trivializing it
[00:30] <Lns> maybe a 'treat tabs as windows' option or something
[00:30] <Lns> although i'm not sure if it's the case if you have multiple windows vs tabs
[00:31] <asac> Lns: well. figuring out if its the last one is probably still doable. but the UI is not easy.
[00:31] <asac> you do not want to do that by default it think
[00:31] <asac> so either you make it upon request
[00:31] <asac> or you have a pref the user can change for all sites
[00:31] <asac> or you make that only for certain sites
[00:32] <asac> like bank/launchpad/mozilla
[00:32] <Lns> why not do it by default? I'd think that's the more secure way
[00:32] <asac> but also more annoying
[00:32] <asac> some sites dont need that much security ;)
[00:33] <Lns> really? I mean, I'm just talking for myself but when i close a tab i'm pretty much done with it
[00:33] <asac> but if you visit the site like 20 times a day and still close the page in between?
[00:33] <Lns> i would expect to have to log in again if i went back...it surprised me that it didn't
[00:33] <Lns> why not keep the tab open in those cases? :)
[00:34] <asac> if you do like 300 things in a day
[00:34] <asac> its easier to open what you need on demand
[00:34] <Lns> well that's a poweruser there
[00:34] <asac> than searching for the tab you already have opened ;)
[00:34] <Lns> that would, i think, mandate some manual config to relax the security
[00:34] <asac> depends how you define powerusers
[00:34] <asac> a lot of users use the webbrowser all day
[00:34] <Lns> as i do, with at least 3-7 tabs open at all times
[00:35] <asac> Lns: as i said its an interesting idea
[00:35] <Lns> just thought i'd throw it out there =)
[00:35] <Lns> thanks for listening ;)
[00:36] <asac> i would think that was already discussed though. but we will see
[00:36] <Lns> i'd think so too
[00:38] <asac> mozillla bug 307220
[00:38] <asac> mozillla bug 272030
[00:39] <asac> Lns: ^^
[00:39] <asac> oops
[00:39] <asac> thats wrong ;)
[00:39] <Lns> hehe
[00:39] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117222
[00:39] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210466
[00:40] <asac> last bug is differnet as it seems ;)
[00:40] <Lns> yeah those are a bit different, though related
[00:41] <Lns> so there's no way to force a second browser instance?
[00:42] <Lns> i guess that's why you get a "firefox is already running" ;)
[00:42] <Lns> which is kinda a pita when you close and rapidly re-open it
[00:42] <Lns> before it's done dying
[00:43] <asac> to some degree thats te reason for that already running thing
[00:44] <asac> the real reason is that it checks for X window to see if it needs to start a new process or send a command to an already running one
[00:44] <asac> so if you start them quickly both will not see that window
[00:44] <asac> and think: lets start a full new firefox
[00:44] <asac> then the firefox process loosing the race fails wit hthat alert
[00:46] <Lns> yeah
[00:46] <Lns> too bad there's no easy way to do File -> New -> Session Window
[00:47] <Lns> I guess that's more along the lines of that bug thou
[00:49] <Lns> Oh well, back to work =)
[00:51] <asac> i am off
[00:52] <BUGabundo> bye asac
[00:52] <Nafallo> asac: yes. we know. ;-)
[00:52] <BUGabundo> happy release party
[00:53] <Nafallo> asac: a little bit off, not to much that we will avoid you... :-)
[02:03] <BUGabundo> 2am... guess I'm hitting the pillow! good release party everyone
[08:49] <directhex> asac, does ubufox have any greasemonkeyish ability to tweak a single web page?
[09:20] <asac> directhex: no ;) ... thats what greasemonkey is for
[09:22] <directhex> asac, hm, i was wondering whether it'd work as a nice filthy hack for triggering the plugin finder
[09:28] <asac> directhex: hmm
[09:29] <asac> directhex: if you have an example greasescript that would detect that flash detection kit that would be indeed a great thing
[09:30] <directhex> asac, it doesn't need to be that complex really - every single "install silverlight" button on the internest ends up in the same place - http://go-mono.com/moonlight. so all you need to do is sniff the url
[09:30] <directhex> or i could smile sweetly at upstream to hax their page & detect jaunty
[09:31] <asac> directhex: you mean fixigin Silverlight.js ?
[09:32] <directhex> asac, well, i mean just a hack for that one page to insert a 1 pixel SL control if jaunty is detected, regardless of silverlight.js
[09:34] <asac> directhex: ah. ok. would be good, but finding such a grease script would be better ;)
[09:35] <directhex> asac, well, it's easy for silverlight - because Silverlight.js is pretty much the only detector in wide use, you just check to see if any of its methods are defined
[09:36] <asac> directhex: if you could come up with a prototype that adds a "<object " somewhere on the side (maybe invisible)? would probably workaround
[10:03] <gnomefreak> asac: what is RETR command in thunderbird?
[10:05] <asac> gnomefreak: that looks like an IMAP protocol command
[10:05] <gnomefreak> asac: i hope not since all the email addresses are pop
[10:05] <asac> yeah seems to be a protocol command (could be imap or pop)
[10:05] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you ask?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:06] <gnomefreak> asac: i got the error a few times today as well as a few last week
[10:06] <BUGabundo> RETRieve
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: so you get a dialog popup?
[10:06] <BUGabundo> it issues the list of unpulled emails
[10:06] <asac> BUGabundo: is that pop or imap (or both)
[10:06] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[10:07] <BUGabundo> both AFAIK
[10:07] <BUGabundo> most POPs
[10:07] <asac> heh. tha t explains why i got a bunch of hits for imap on google too
[10:07] <gnomefreak> says its a temorary problem
[10:07] <BUGabundo> imap(s) uses last
[10:07] <BUGabundo> *LAST
[10:10] <asac> thx
[10:10] <gnomefreak> asac: did you push 3.0.9 yet?
[10:11] <asac> gnomefreak: if you see it a gain show me a screenshot please
[10:11] <asac> (the RETR)
[10:11] <asac> gnomefreak: its pushed
[10:11] <asac> 8 hours ago i think
[10:11] <asac> to jaunty-security
[10:11] <gnomefreak> asac: ok will do. I'm getting a security announcment on 3.0.9 from the security mailing list
[10:12] <BUGabundo> security pocket already opened?
[10:12] <gnomefreak> from Jamie (not sure who it is but he is with Canonical
[10:12] <gnomefreak> )
[10:15] <asac> gnomefreak: i just sent a dent about it
[10:15] <asac> gnomefreak: jamie is jdstrand
[10:15] <asac> (in this channel too)
[10:15] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:15] <BUGabundo> u guys use and abuse all means of comunication
[10:15] <gnomefreak> ah ok i havent loaded gwibber yet, its too early to deal with errors
[10:15] <BUGabundo> email, im, irc, microblogs
[10:16] <asac> lol
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ok so most emails are in that small font while some are normal :(
[10:23] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: usual advcice: make a new TB profile and try to reproduce
[10:25]  * gnomefreak hates when people ignore emails
[10:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess mails with html vs. plain text
[10:25] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it doesnt happen all the time, so im fairly sure its not profile related
[10:27] <gnomefreak> asac: that could be it is this more of a Ubuntu issue or Mozilla?
[10:30] <asac> gnomefreak: most likely the user messed his font setup
[10:30] <asac> at least if the difference is so that its annoying
[10:30] <asac> (or its really just a few mails)
[10:30] <asac> users should only allow simple html
[10:30] <gnomefreak> asac: not a few but most are small some are normal
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: what is selected in  View -> Mesage Body As ?
[10:31] <asac> use text or simple html
[10:32] <gnomefreak> nothing
[10:33] <gnomefreak> whould i need to restart Tbird?
[10:33] <gnomefreak> if not than plain text didnt work
[10:34] <gnomefreak> HTML doesnt help either
[10:39] <gnomefreak> how are we handling the applicants to extension team?
[10:41] <asac> gnomefreak: if we dont know them they get added to the cheering team
[10:42] <asac> what name was that again?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~hanen105
[10:42] <gnomefreak> he joined lots of teams
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: #ubuntu-release-party ;) ... you are not even there
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: we reject him telling that teams are something to contribute first
[10:43] <asac> gnomefreak: point him to the team we have set up
[10:43] <asac> how was that called again?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> mozilla squad
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-mozillasquad to be exact
[10:43] <asac> gnomefreak: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad
[10:43] <asac> yeah
[10:44] <gnomefreak> he was already a member of the team still looking for more info on him
[10:45] <asac> well. we dont know him ;)
[10:45] <asac> reject him and tell him he should contribute here for a while first
[10:46] <gnomefreak> kk
[10:46] <asac> but given that he joined the daily team even
[10:46] <asac> i would think he hasnt done this to contribute ;)
[10:48] <gnomefreak> agreed
[10:50] <directhex> <script type="text/javascript">if(/Ubuntu\/(\d+.\d\d)/.exec(navigator.userAgent)[1]>=9.04)document.write("<object type=\"application/x-silverlight\" data=\"data:application/x-silverlight,\" width=\"0\" height=\"0\" />");</script>
[10:50] <directhex> my first javascript of 2009
[10:52] <armin76> asac: i'm i right thinking that libgtkembedmoz is not available on xul 1.9?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks for updating the mailing list admin <still too damn early>
[10:54] <asac> armin76: yes
[10:54] <armin76> asac: thanks :)
[10:54] <asac> gnomefreak: i found out something good. i can reply to a mime part of the ml approval mail
[10:54] <asac> to reject his mail
[10:54] <asac> so i for rejection you dont even need to go to webinterface
[10:54] <gnomefreak> on sweet
[10:55] <gnomefreak> s/on/oh
[10:55] <asac> same for approvals ... but you have to include the password in the reply to the -request (take care that that doesnt go to list or user if you want to try ;))
[10:55] <asac> gnomefreak: if you look at approval mails there should be two attachments
[10:55] <asac> one is a snipped similar to what you get when you confirm your account on subscription
[10:56] <asac> armin76: those folks need to use the glue
[10:56] <armin76> asac: bumb :)
[10:56] <gnomefreak> ok i see attachments
[10:56] <asac> armin76: 99.99% of those asking that at least dont know
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure if you can reply to an attachment in tbird. guess you would need to open it with double click first
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: can you open such an attachment as a mail by clicking on it in tbird?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[10:58] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. so you should see instructions in there
[10:58] <gnomefreak> i have it open
[10:58] <asac> i didnt really understand the approval ... but the reection is easy ;) ... just reply
[10:58] <gnomefreak> depends there are 2 attachments
[10:58] <asac> without changing anyhting
[10:58] <asac> gnomefreak: well. if you read the content you will see which is the right one
[10:58] <asac> its pretty obvious
[10:58] <asac> has a subject like "confirm ...."
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ah ha found the right attachment
[10:59] <asac> but i think thats a new feature. its definitly a new milestone in mailing list handling ;)
[11:00] <gnomefreak> so for spam i just send a empty email with header and subject intact?
[11:02] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah.
[11:02] <asac> gnomefreak: well you just hit reply
[11:02] <asac> dont need to remove anything from body
[11:02] <asac> just reply ... send
[11:02] <gnomefreak> reply>send
[11:02] <asac> yep
[11:03] <gnomefreak> thats too easy
[11:03] <asac> ;)
[11:03] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:03] <asac> after having done a few you could start trying how the approval works
[11:03] <BUGabundo> and then we get his pass
[11:03] <asac> let me know if you find
[11:03] <asac> i would think that you probably have to write
[11:03] <asac> Approval: password
[11:03] <asac> in the first line of the body
[11:03] <asac> but the instructions are somewhat unclear
[11:03] <gnomefreak> well leave me a few so i can try it out ;)
[11:03] <asac> no worry
[11:03] <asac> i dont read mail today till evening
[11:04] <gnomefreak> that they are. but who runs it?
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you mean?
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: oh. can you remove cruft from the mail admins page?
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess bluekuja is still in there
[11:04] <gnomefreak> oh eait thats us nevermind, no sense in asking us to make it more clear
[11:04] <asac> he certainly shouldnt get those mails anymore
[11:05] <asac> lol
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: ah i see. its mailman upstream freature i guess
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: so mailman project  ... or launchpad
[11:05] <gnomefreak> more info on this would be great
[11:05] <asac> they run those lists
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: but maybe we can edit the text in the admin interface ;)
[11:05] <BUGabundo> there goes the mirror
[11:05] <BUGabundo> its out
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: i would suggest to check mailman documentation
[11:06] <asac> they probably explain that
[11:06] <gnomefreak> ok i can do that this week i hope
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: http://www.modwest.com/help/kb13-283.html
[11:07] <gnomefreak> oh this cant be good
[11:07] <asac> there is a bit more ... search for -request
[11:07] <asac> anyway ... you will figure
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ok they close the bug but say its not yet fixed in tbird b3pre
[11:09] <gnomefreak> oh i see tbird's xul is being changed to 1.9.2a1pre
[11:09] <gnomefreak> from 1.9.1
[11:09] <gnomefreak> oh no thats 3.1
[11:09] <gnomefreak> can we get that added to dailies
[11:12] <gnomefreak> that didnt give me anything, i keep looking after smoke =>email
[11:13] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we had a branch for 3.1 at some point
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Planning for transition from FF 3.0 to FF 3.5  doesnt make sense i think someone messed the subject up
[11:14] <asac> not sure if fta kept on maintaing that
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok i can ping him later if im here
[11:14] <asac> gnomefreak: fta is away for a few weeks ;)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok i wont ping him later ;)
[11:14] <asac> he is doing kind of a long term trip ;)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> i can use one of those too
[11:16] <asac> ack++
[11:16] <asac> i could just go and live in the dschungle for a while
[11:17] <asac> just next to a nice waterfall so i can cool myself down ;)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[11:40]  * gnomefreak forgot to call babysitter
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: take a look at but 105915  i dont see any auto filter
[11:40] <gnomefreak> opps
[11:41] <gnomefreak> bug 105915
[11:41] <gnomefreak> or not
[11:41] <gnomefreak> bug 105918
[11:41] <gnomefreak> there you go
[11:54] <asac> ooking
[11:55] <asac> gnomefreak: do you have filteres. isnt there a filter* file somewhere in profile
[11:55] <asac> ask user to attach that
[11:55] <gnomefreak> ok will do
[11:56] <asac> gnomefreak: its msgFilterRules.dat
[11:56] <asac> its somewhere in the profile
[11:57] <asac> i think in the directory of the account the filter was created for
[11:57] <gnomefreak> i dont see it in mine
[11:57] <gnomefreak> under default
[11:58] <gnomefreak> no wonder im llooking in firefox :(
[12:00] <asac> lol
[12:00] <gnomefreak> asac: filterlog.html or the messagefilters...dat
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: .mozilla-thunderbird
[12:00] <asac> is tbird 2
[12:00] <gnomefreak> yep
[12:00] <asac> .thunderbird-3.0 is tbir 3
[12:00] <gnomefreak> yeah i know
[12:00] <gnomefreak> msgFilterRules.dat
[12:01] <gnomefreak> yeap its the .dat
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: you have jaunty-security lines for sources.list at hand?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> yeah you sould too :)
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: can you plesae post your lines
[12:03] <gnomefreak> holy shit
[12:03] <gnomefreak> they are not in there
[12:03] <gnomefreak> thats a bad bug
[12:04] <gnomefreak> -proposed is added but security isnt? this is default list from a clean install
[12:04] <asac> gnomefreak: go to administration -> software sources and enable them ;)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> they should be in /etc/apt/sources.list upon install, hint these repos are important
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: they are in there if you install ... i am pretty sure
[12:05] <asac> its just that i removed them manually i gues
[12:05] <asac> as i usualyl run development release
[12:05] <asac> and hence i dont ned them ;)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> not here during last install maybe 3 weeks ago
[12:07] <gnomefreak> maybe because its not final?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> but people that use pre release will now have to add them
[12:08] <asac> nah
[12:08] <asac> i think its been in there since beta at least
[12:08] <asac> i made a few test install after beta and it was in tere for sure
[12:09] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: -proposed is not enabled by default
[12:09] <BUGabundo> and it needs a serious work!!!
[12:09] <BUGabundo> it should use apt-listchanges to let the user know what BUG its testing
[12:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i know but security repos are not in the sources.list
[12:10] <BUGabundo> really?
[12:10] <BUGabundo> clean install?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/644059 is from clean install around Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:47:46 -0400
[12:11]  * gnomefreak doesnt see security in there
[12:16] <asac> gnomefreak:
[12:16] <asac> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security universe main multiverse restricted
[12:16] <BUGabundo> thats strange
[12:16] <asac> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-security universe main multiverse restricted
[12:16] <asac> deb http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe main multiverse restricted
[12:16] <asac> deb-src http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates universe main multiverse restricted
[12:16] <asac> i just added those
[12:16] <BUGabundo> let me ask on +1
[12:18] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: 2 ppl just checked and its there!
[12:18] <gnomefreak> thats a stock list
[12:18] <gnomefreak> i didnt touch that one
[12:19] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: also upgrade will have them
[12:19] <gnomefreak> this is clean install
[12:19] <BUGabundo> fresh install
[12:19] <BUGabundo> thats what i asked
[12:21] <BUGabundo> really strange
[12:21] <BUGabundo> at lunch i'll try a kvm image
[12:21] <BUGabundo> i'm getting confirmations of FF3.0.9 getting installed!
[12:23] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/m65f878e5
[12:28] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 365357 have you seen this problem? I havent in a while
[12:30] <gnomefreak> yuck i dont think it is xulrunner but ill ask a few
[12:36] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats etcinsvk
[12:36] <gnomefreak> thought so
[12:36] <gnomefreak> i commented but i havent sent it yet
[12:37] <gnomefreak> im trying to break u-n atm
[12:37] <gnomefreak> l;ets hope that works
[12:41] <gnomefreak> asac: should flashplugin-installer depend on *-nonfree
[12:41] <gnomefreak> and the other way -nonfree depend on -installer
[12:42] <asac> gnomefreak: its all ok as it is atm
[12:42] <asac> -nonfree depends on installer ... but not the other way around
[12:43] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 365400 i marked as ubufox
[12:43] <gnomefreak> not sure exactly what he means, -installer is what?
[12:44] <asac> flashplugin-installer is the new package name
[12:45] <gnomefreak> for -nonfree?
[12:45] <asac> yes
[12:45] <gnomefreak> if so than it should install -nonfree when -installer is installed
[12:46] <gnomefreak> or at least use replaces
[12:46] <gnomefreak> sorry conflicts or replaces
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ok damnit where did the firefox bug about assertiuon error (not restarting after update?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> opps go
[12:52] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... it installs installer in case non free is installed
[12:53] <asac> just the other way around
[12:53] <asac> we migrate to installer and not to nonfree
[12:54] <gnomefreak> than installer should be enough to view flash?
[12:55] <asac> yes
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: i already asked on the bug
[12:55] <gnomefreak> k
[13:23] <asac> gnomefreak: when i say: "this is a bug in firefox, not ubufox, you dont need to say: "this isnt a bug in firefox" and invalidate that
[13:23] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/355112
[13:23] <asac> you did that to that bug
[13:26] <asac> fixed bug
[13:27] <gnomefreak> commented
[13:27] <gnomefreak> i missed a few posts that being one of them
[13:29] <asac> good
[13:30] <asac> no problem
[13:33] <gnomefreak> ok back to TV for a while. need break before FTBFS :)
[14:03] <gnomefreak> asac: when repling to mailing list i double click on the attachment and reply or i reply to the normal email?
[14:08] <apachelogger> ~order birthday package for asac
[14:08]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[14:08]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to asac and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:08] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday asac, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[14:08] <kubotu> Happy Birthday asac :D
[14:08] <kubotu> To your health!
[14:08]  * apachelogger hugs asac
[14:08] <[reed]> ah, hippy barfday, asac
[14:12] <BUGabundo> bday? ohhhh happy b'day asac !!!!
[14:13] <armin76> happy bday asacbuntu
[14:18] <gnomefreak> happy birthday asac for some reason i thought you just had one
[14:20] <gnomefreak> ok back to SM-2 again be back later (i hope later rather than sooner)
[14:22] <asac> thanks
[14:22] <asac> usually i dont announce my birthday ;)
[14:22] <asac> but today i had to because of this nice coincident
[14:23] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[14:24] <BUGabundo> so its asacbuntu
[14:24] <asac> right ;)
[14:24] <BUGabundo> or jaunty alex
[14:24] <asac> too bad i dont have a j ;)
[14:24] <BUGabundo> Alexander Jackalop
[14:24] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[14:25] <asac> hehe
[14:25] <asac> anyway ... doing extended lunch now to celebrate this special moment ;)
[14:27] <BUGabundo> go a head
[14:27] <BUGabundo> have a slice of cake on me
[14:28] <BUGabundo> u deserv
[14:32] <gnomefreak> have a strong drink for me ;)
[14:32] <gnomefreak> for me and ill buy
[14:33]  * gnomefreak back to this broken crap
[14:33] <armin76> [reed]: did you saw the bugs where i cc'ed you?
[14:37] <[reed]> armin76: which one?
[14:38] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: u just want to give him a bad liver
[14:38] <BUGabundo> smoke is bad enough already
[14:39] <gnomefreak> smoke drink bad but fun :)
[14:40] <armin76> [reed]: yesterday, super-h related
[14:40] <[reed]> got bug #s?
[14:40] <[reed]> ah
[14:40] <[reed]> I see
[14:41] <[reed]> I skipped over those
[14:41] <[reed]> apparently
[14:41] <armin76> :(
[14:42] <[reed]> ok, I've tagged reviewers
[14:42] <[reed]> that basically what you want?
[14:52] <armin76> yup, thanks
[15:05] <gnomefreak> [reed]: was the pango patch commited upstream yet?
[15:05] <[reed]> I do believe so
[15:06] <[reed]> let me look
[15:06] <gnomefreak> [reed]: thanks
[15:08] <[reed]> mozilla bug 478871
[15:08] <[reed]> yep, fixed
[15:08] <gnomefreak> [reed]: thanks now it might build :)
[15:31] <gnomefreak> ok its at a safe point to walk away, be back to check on build later
[15:59] <gnomefreak> 1687 people in #ubuntu :) and im still not here im just scared its going to fail
[17:05] <gnomefreak> damn thing still fails to build
[17:15] <asac> gnomefreak: sunbird?
[17:15] <asac> or sm2
[17:15] <gnomefreak> sm2
[17:15] <asac> how does it fail?
[17:16] <asac> same pango thing?
[17:16] <asac> probably didnt apply the patch
[17:16] <asac> properly
[17:19] <gnomefreak> asac: no its not pango give me a minute and ill post it
[17:19] <asac> k
[17:22] <gnomefreak> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/644076
[17:23] <gnomefreak> i doubt its our bug
[17:33] <gnomefreak> looking upstream for bug but cant find the string errors anywhere. im here and eating and searching :)
[17:57] <gnomefreak> LP is still very very slow
[19:10] <[reed]> asac: heads-up, we're firedrilling
[19:10] <[reed]> "yay"
[20:44] <NCommander> Are there known issues with Firefox on SPARC?
[20:53] <g0ph3r> hi folks, after todays update of firefox 3.0.9, i can't start thunderbird anymore: it always gives only a segfault. i'm using ubuntu 8.10. what puzzled me a bit is that i could not find a bug about this... so i was wondering if this might be just me and stumbled in on here to check if this is already a known issue or not
[21:03] <g0ph3r> hm... well, i guess i'll try more tomorrow. it's getting late for me now
[21:28] <[reed]> NCommander: yes
[21:29] <NCommander> [reed], anything I can do to help?
[21:29] <[reed]> talk to armin76
[21:30] <NCommander> armin76, ping
[22:02] <armin76> NCommander: hi, whats up?
[22:04] <armin76> oh
[22:05] <armin76> NCommander: well, not much you can do, or yes, have a look at mozilla bug 448658
[22:06] <armin76> look at my align.patch and find a solution for it so it works on msvc :)
[22:34] <asac> [reed]: *sigh*
[22:37] <NCommander> armin76, I can fix it on MSVC
[22:37] <asac> [reed]: hmm... no mail i see about the cause
[22:37] <asac> oh found something
[22:37] <NCommander> armin76, can we get it into karmic though (and maybe SRU into jaunty?)
[22:41] <asac> NCommander: the patch should land upstream ... then it will get automatically to all our releases
[22:42] <NCommander> asac, I want it fixed for the existing releases
[22:42] <NCommander> I actually have a SPARC box I care about
[22:42] <asac> "... then it will get automatically to all our releases"
[22:42] <NCommander> ... huh?
[22:42] <asac> all includes existing releases
[22:42]  * NCommander maybe missing how Mozilla is SRUed
[22:43] <asac> NCommander: mozilla is SRUed monthly through -security ;)
[22:43] <NCommander> Neat
[22:45] <BUGabundo> asac: what are you doing here? go celebrate your bday with family and real world friends!
[22:45] <asac> heh. i already did ;) ... more to come on weekend
[22:45] <asac> but thanks ;)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> eheh np
[22:46] <NCommander> armin76, that build failure looks unrelated to the alignment change O_o;
[23:40] <kbrosnan> Mozilla is doing a 3.5b4 test day tomorrow http://quality.mozilla.org/events/2009/apr/24/firefox-35-beta-4-test-day any questions /msg me
[23:40] <BUGabundo> yay
[23:49] <NCommander> armin76, I'm looking into how to resolve this and fix on MSVC. SPARC alignment is similar to ARM so I think I can use some of the same tricks to fix it


[02:46] <circ-user-9VsJ1> NICK koken
[08:48] <ochosi> sorry for being afk for a bit, i'll return t-day or so


[00:21] <Saitoh183_> Hello
[00:23] <Saitoh183_> I'm trying ton install mate 16.04 via USB and it seems to be hanging at preparing to install Ubuntu. When i load live cd it works great and fast but even from there if I start install, it just spins and i see the HDD light working but nothing is happening
[00:24] <Saitoh183_> 64bit btw.. Ssd is unallocated space
[00:25] <Saitoh183_> I even recreated the USB drive with Lili
[00:26] <Saitoh183_> Could it be my AMD 5450 graphic card that could be the issue?
[00:39] <nomic> maybe
[00:39] <nomic> its most commonly, a complete failure, a graphic card --  is the amd 5450 old/uncommon?  sounds old
[00:40] <Saitoh183_> It's a few years now
[00:40] <Saitoh183_> Like 4 or 5
[00:40] <Saitoh183_> I would think
[00:40] <nomic> thats not old
[00:41] <nomic> log message on ubuntu/mate forums
[00:41] <nomic> also ask in #ubuntu - this place isn't busy or its early morning
[00:41] <nomic> #ubuntu always has 1800 people in it
[00:41] <Saitoh183_> How do I get to logs
[00:41] <nomic> forums?
[00:41] <nomic> dmesg?
[00:41] <nomic> dmesg = log
[00:41] <nomic> command
[00:42] <Saitoh183_> Yeah.. But the thing is that I can't seem to get a cmd window open
[00:42] <Saitoh183_> To see what the installation is doing
[00:42] <nomic> read this
[00:42] <nomic> I believe flgrx is common
[00:42] <nomic> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst-fglrx-driver-16-04
[00:42] <nomic> Let’s say you use the fglrx driver on Ubuntu 15.10, and that you plan to upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 next month.
[00:43] <nomic> i recall there being options for supported unsupporte radeon driver
[00:43] <nomic> but you're not getting past install
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> And this is a fresh install
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> There is no previous os
[00:44] <nomic> "To top it all off Canonical say: “AMD won’t support fglrx on 16.04, period”, and Canonical has no desire to take over the duties "
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> I can remove the card
[00:44] <nomic> previous os don't affect anything -- new install/run - that is gone
[00:44] <nomic> try with another card
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> It's not necessaey
[00:44] <nomic> success- the card is issue
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> I will
[00:45] <nomic> check the ram/ seating
[00:45] <nomic> also check the ventilation
[00:45] <Saitoh183_> Try with the onboard
[00:45] <nomic> have had install failures because of overheat -- 1 thing that happens ,, the graphics (radeon) card will run hot until it gets the driver
[00:45] <nomic> had to cool the pc until I got the flgrx driver installed
[00:45] <nomic> the correct driver
[00:46] <nomic> look on forums, see whats going on
[00:46] <Saitoh183_> That is all good since I can run live media and 15.04 boots just fine when I plug it in(is on another ssd)
[00:46] <nomic> easy to whip the card out, try
[00:46] <lighting> hey
[00:46] <Saitoh183_> Hi
[00:46] <nomic> could be a problem with your usb media
[00:46] <Saitoh183_> Well i will try that first since it is the easiest
[00:46] <nomic> i aint in favor (here) of installing usb anymore -- have gone back to dvd (rare occasion I install)
[00:46] <lighting> anyone able to help me get wine working v16.02
[00:47] <Saitoh183_> I don't have a drive
[00:47] <nomic> wine is a general issue -- you may get better answers off the busier #ubuntu channel
[00:47] <nomic> = 17x busier than here
[00:47]  * nomic has never used it
[00:48] <nomic> would reckon its 100% DOS @ least, emulation, by now
[00:48] <Saitoh183_> If a older flavor like 14.04 gets passed the setup, maybe it's my ISO?
[00:49] <Saitoh183_> What bothers me is that live media works of the USB just fine
[00:49] <nomic> would try 1. graphics card 2. maybe cut the iso to a dvd, if you've got one -- but that's just my opinion,  here, have been running with small, old usb drives
[00:49] <nomic> thing is -- you look at unetbootln, to write iso to usb drive, there are a zillion options for the header
[00:50] <nomic> writing to a DVD, there is none of that
[00:50] <nomic> usb formatting is more complex
[00:50] <Saitoh183_> I used Lili
[00:50] <nomic> lots of options for the header, which means it can be wrong
[00:50] <Saitoh183_> That's what I had used for 15.04 and it had worked
[00:50]  * nomic just uses nautilus to pick up the iso file, right click = standard write to a DVD
[00:51] <nomic> if you get 15.04 onto your system you can run distribution upgrade
[00:51] <Saitoh183_> I don't have a optical drive
[00:51] <nomic> downloads the files, reboots into 16.04
[00:51] <nomic> ok
[00:51] <nomic> theres an option .. 'upgrade' -- but why would that change the situation with the graphics driver (if that is the problem)
[00:52] <Saitoh183_> I have 15.04 on another ssd.. Basically I removed my ssd 15.04 and put in a blank drive to start fresh... Having performance issues withy 15.04 after updating from 14.10 so that's why I was starting fresh
[00:53] <Saitoh183_> And my 15.04 is a bit of aess
[00:53] <Saitoh183_> Mess
[00:53] <Saitoh183_> I'm a newb to nix so I did alot of tinkering
[01:21] <barry_> is it easy enough to remove the gui. I just want a terminal interface ubuntu style server
[01:34] <nomic> server version
[01:34] <nomic> there are server versions of ubuntu
[01:34] <nomic> gui-less
[01:34] <nomic> barry_,
[01:35] <barry_> cheers
[01:37] <barry_> just wondering if there is an Arm64 compatible with pine64 though... I'll download and install it on a secondary microSD I guess.
[01:52] <Saitoh183_> Figured it out
[01:53] <Saitoh183_> The new ssd had no Partition table
[02:10] <nomic> thought it auto creats partition
[02:10] <nomic> 'use entire disk' option
[02:17] <stephen_> hey
[02:18] <stephen_> who is on raspberry pi
[04:02] <ubuntu-mate> Hi I am trying to duel boot windows 10 and ubuntu 16.04 but after I install ubuntu grub boot loader don't show up and my computer boots into windows. Right now I am booted into the ubuntu live dvd please help.
[04:17] <randall> 1. install windows 10 first, 2. install ubuntu 16.04 along side windows 10, if it's the same hdd, 3. if you're useing 2 hdds use your bios or uefi to give ubuntu hdd the priority, 4. update-grub
[04:18] <Eremiell> I just drop grub on the windows drive, works as well
[04:24] <randall> even if all I had was windows, I'd rather boot with grub
[06:36] <Omid> help
[10:31] <lapideviridi> ouroumov, hey, it's me with the weird caja 90's look. The problem suddenly resolved itself. Again, I have no idea what triggered this. Just bootet it up and saw that everything was correct again.
[12:39] <ubuntu-mate> Hello
[13:03] <linda_> hi everyone,totally new to this, when trying to input information in the terminal. it then asks for a password and presents a flashing cursor, but at this point I am unable to enter anything via the keyboard? any ideas?
[13:04] <linda_> sorry small update, I am attempting to install my brother printer drivers
[13:28] <ericb2> linda_, not sure, but when entering a password, the terminal is in -echo mode, means no echo about what you typed (no **** e.g. ). If things work as expected, just enter the correct password, and type "enter". Should work
[13:29] <ericb2> else, maybe we need more information
[14:06] <alien_> hello
[17:37] <lapideviridi> Does anyone know how I get KDE Connect to work on Mate? I installed it on both my desktop and my mobile, but only the notification appear.
[17:37] <lapideviridi> For instance, how do I display my phones battery or open the file system?
[17:38] <lapideviridi> Do I actually have to use KDE?
[17:38] <lostatwork> considering KDE connect is designed for KDE you may not get the desired results you are looking for
[17:39] <lapideviridi> lostatwork, I found it in the software boutique, so I hoped it would mostly work with mate.
[17:45] <Akuli> you may need to install some additional kde stuff to get it to work
[17:45] <Akuli> but it should run just fine
[17:51] <lapideviridi> Akuli, you tried? Aren't all dependencies installed automatically?
[17:54] <Akuli> not always
[17:54] <Akuli> dependencies to make it kind of run, but there may still be some issues
[17:55] <lapideviridi> Akuli, does the software boutique just use regular apt like I can type in my terminal?
[17:56] <_rev_> In the software boutique, if you click show underneath the program in question, it says the source. In this case: https://launchpad.net/~vikoadi/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:56] <_rev_> That PPA was reported to work just fine in 15.04
[17:57] <Akuli> lapideviridi, i never use the software boutique :D i do all my package management with the terminal
[17:58] <lapideviridi> _rev_, do you suggest it is outdated?
[17:58] <Akuli> nothing has changed that much
[17:58] <lapideviridi> Akuli, not quite there yet, I'm afraid. I need the list to know my possibilities.
[17:59] <Akuli> tell me something you want to do, and i'll tell you how to do that with the terminal.
[17:59] <_rev_> lapideviridi:I don't think so, it wasn't even added to the boutique until the second 16.04 alpha.
[18:01] <lapideviridi> Akuli, thanks for the offer. I do know how to use apt, since my first experience with linux was from my raspberries. I liked all the freedom and options, but it can be a bit overwhelming, so I choose mate to counter that.
[18:03] <lapideviridi> Any clue on to fix this. Sorry, I still have to get accustomed to all this.
[18:07] <_rev_> lapideviridi: When I add the PPA there is no release key.
[18:08] <_rev_> Also, you can find the most recent version, according to the dev's launchpad in the regular ubuntu repo.
[18:08] <_rev_> If you think the PPA install is the issue, you could try reinstalling from the repo.
[18:34] <lapideviridi> _rev_, installing it via the ubuntu software senter then?
[18:34] <lapideviridi> *center
[18:35] <_rev_> It's up to you. I'd rather just open a terminal and then input: sudo apt install kdeconnect
[18:35] <_rev_> Just completely remove your previous install if you want to try this.
[18:35] <_rev_> apt purge the previous install
[18:38] <lapideviridi> _rev_, purge takes out all the dependencies too?
[18:38] <_rev_> No, it just wipes all config files. If you want to wipe the dependencies you should purge the program and then run: sudo apt autoremove
[18:39] <lapideviridi> _rev_, I'll remember that, thanks!
[18:45] <Akuli> you can actually search for config files that are left from removed packages that haven't been purged
[18:45] <Akuli> dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1
[19:06] <CodFection> hello
[19:06] <CodFection> new to mate
[19:07] <CodFection> being using ubuntu unity
[19:07] <CodFection> right choice? :)
[19:07] <Akuli> if you like it :)
[19:08] <CodFection> I really like it
[19:08] <CodFection> just one disappointment thou
[19:08] <CodFection> cant use "start" button on keyboard
[19:08] <CodFection> nothing pops up
[19:08] <Akuli> which menu are you using
[19:09] <CodFection> default
[19:09] <Akuli> the default applications-places-system thing?
[19:09] <CodFection> yes
[19:09] <Akuli> right-click a panel, add to panel
[19:09] <Akuli> there should be alternative menus, one of them which is called 'advanced' or something works with the start key
[19:09] <CodFection> it says "remove from the panel"
[19:10] <Akuli> oh :D
[19:10] <Akuli> click on an empty spot
[19:10] <Akuli> or remove the menu you have now, and click where it was
[19:10] <Akuli> you can always add it again
[19:24] <CodFection> then start button will work?
[19:37] <lostatwork> it is nice that plank will display the new count with apps like thunderbird and liferea
[19:41] <lapideviridi> _rev_, Akuli, I had a meltdown, so I had to autoremove again
[19:41] <lapideviridi> Seems like the issue is fixed. Thanks a lot!
[19:41] <_rev_> Is the program working properly now?
[19:42] <CodFection> guys docky or plank
[19:42] <CodFection> which one is better
[19:42] <CodFection> for mate
[19:45] <lapideviridi> _rev_, almost
[19:45] <lapideviridi> I can read battery level now, but I can't add that to the panel (?) at the top of the screen. Also, when I try to browse the files pluma opens instead
[19:46] <_rev_> And this reinstall was from the repo? Not the PPA?
[19:52] <lostatwork> CodFection: personally I like plank but the ultimate decision rests with you
[19:53] <lapideviridi> _rev_, umm, I used apt
[19:55] <CodFection> lostatwork, thanks
[19:55] <_rev_> lapideviridi: Ok. I can't really suggest much else to fix the panel issues since I don't use the program. You might want to document the problem with some screenshots and steps to reproduce them. You could then try posting on the support forum.
[19:56] <_rev_> I did notice that program pulls in a frightening amount of QT dependencies. So, there are a lot of points of failure. But that's really above my knowledge level.
[19:58] <CodFection> I still cant figure out how to make the start button work
[19:58] <CodFection> :(
[19:58] <CodFection> or it just doesn't on mate?
[20:04] <CodFection> hello?
[20:04] <CodFection> any one?
[20:05] <nomic> hi
[20:05] <CodFection> hello
[20:05] <CodFection> I still cant figure out how to make the start button work
[20:05] <CodFection> nomic, any idea
[20:06] <nomic> start
[20:06] <nomic> what start button
[20:06] <nomic> ie. on a pc?
[20:06] <CodFection> in keyboard
[20:06] <nomic> hmm
[20:06] <CodFection> that windows thingy
[20:06] <CodFection> yea
[20:06] <CodFection> lol
[20:06] <nomic> you can attach keys to processes
[20:06] <nomic> it's not used
[20:06] <nomic> in linux
[20:06] <CodFection> in unity it was working
[20:06] <CodFection> :O
[20:06] <nomic> i just pressed it - nothing happened
[20:06] <nomic> to do what
[20:06] <lapideviridi> _rev_, yeah, I read  that it needs a lot of KDE dependencies. What are QT dependencies, by the way?
[20:06] <nomic> menus?
[20:07] <CodFection> yea
[20:07] <nomic> you can attach programs to keys
[20:07] <nomic> the start button has a key number
[20:07] <CodFection> oh
[20:07] <CodFection> how can I?
[20:08] <nomic> https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=assigning+programs+to+keys+ubuntu
[20:08] <nomic> so you can customise the start key
[20:08] <nomic> to call maybe the file browser
[20:08] <CodFection> nomic, for the application installation. do I need to follow ubuntu unity guide? will it work the same for mate?
[20:08] <CodFection> ok cool
[20:08] <nomic> mate is not unity
[20:08] <nomic> unity is ubuntu
[20:08] <CodFection> yea
[20:08] <CodFection> I know
[20:08] <CodFection> thats why asking
[20:09] <CodFection> programs will have effect?
[20:09] <nomic> bells n whistles -- things like the start button attached to things
[20:09] <nomic> yeah it'll work on mate
[20:09] <CodFection> because of the guides are available for unity
[20:09] <CodFection> ok cool
[20:09] <nomic> because its not doing anything
[20:09] <CodFection> thanks :)
[20:09] <nomic> this is not unity
[20:09] <nomic> separate
[20:09] <nomic> distro/gui/screen manager -- mate is far more minimal (& faster), than unity
[20:09] <nomic> minimal
[20:09] <CodFection> true
[20:09] <nomic> svelte
[20:09] <CodFection> I love simplicity of it
[20:10]  * nomic got it on raspberr pi3s
[20:10] <nomic> as pcs
[20:10] <nomic> for everything
[20:10] <CodFection> just if I can get the application menu to pop when I press start
[20:10] <CodFection> it would be great
[20:10] <CodFection> wow thats cool
[20:10] <CodFection> is it worth buying rasp 3?
[20:10] <nomic> not sure what the command is for the application men us -- if you find it, try it in the terminal
[20:10] <CodFection> I was planning to.
[20:10] <nomic> they're not for browsing
[20:10] <nomic> because browser = huge demand
[20:11] <nomic> they're great for media / server
[20:11] <nomic> things only have 1gb ram .. they are matchbox sized .. 1.5w max draw
[20:11] <CodFection> so you use it as a?
[20:11] <nomic> if  you have problems attaching the menu to the start button - ask on forums (ubuntu/ubuntu mate forums)
[20:11] <nomic> work/server/media
[20:11] <CodFection> ok
[20:11] <CodFection> cool
[20:12] <CodFection> brb restarting pc
[20:12] <nomic> actually better than pcs (I had) .. because its HD playback .. I get live tv news streams
[20:12] <lapideviridi> CodFection, I can recommend getting one. I have three which I use for testing, fun and different kinds of testing.
[20:12] <nomic> rock solid with mate
[20:12] <lapideviridi> One actually managed to run Ubuntu Mate with a VNC server, so I could remotely access it.
[20:12] <nomic> wireless works out of the box etc (onboard wireless)
[20:13]  * nomic uses x2x
[20:13] <nomic> type on laptop (xubuntu) -- cursor drifts across to mate desktop
[20:13] <lapideviridi> Can confirm that wireless is a pain on earlier boards. I had to find some cheap dongles on dx.com which do the trick, but are rather limited in terms of speed.
[20:14] <lapideviridi> Also, it was hard to find something compatible.
[20:14] <nomic> never had problem with it, with mate 15.04/16
[20:14] <nomic> netgear wg511 always
[20:14] <nomic> ^ imo the 100% linux compatible wirless usb
[20:15] <nomic> some guy tested the onboard wirless of the raspberry pi 3, from within a tin box
[20:15] <nomic> worked fine
[20:15] <lapideviridi> I ran raspbian, since it was designed for the board and used very little resources. Quite a few handy tools in there too.
[20:15]  * nomic gave up on raspibian when I couldn't configure nfs ... raspibian = like debian IMO
[20:16] <nomic> "for the workshop" .. mate is "for the desktop" .. things work .. it is a standard ubuntu
[20:16] <nomic> so I was able to slide across from xubuntu in minutes
[20:17] <lapideviridi> I didn't really have the need for a desktop, so I ran a headless setup. Thus, no mate.
[20:17] <_rev_> lapideviridi: To answer your earlier question: GTK and QT are widget libraries commonly used in linux distros to build the GUI of programs. Although GTK and QT do the same thing, most distros tend to prefer one or the other.
[20:17] <lapideviridi> _rev_, I think I'll just copy that somewhere. Thanks again
[20:18] <_rev_> Np
[20:18] <lapideviridi> nomic, what did you use the desktop for?
[20:19] <nomic> work / old films / tv news
[20:19] <nomic> 100% as a server / setting up web server
[20:19] <nomic> but not simple one
[20:19] <nomic> just abandoned apache .. getting nginx
[20:19] <nomic> need websocket proxy
[20:19] <nomic> thought I had it working on apache
[20:20] <nomic> can't decide whether to use tornado, or autobahn (twisted) .. thinking I would use autobahn, but got impression twisted may be faster to set up with nginx
[20:21] <nomic> monday spent going from lighttpd to nginx to apache .. thought apache was working .. this is as websocket proxy thru port 80 .. but found out today that the proxy isn't working
[20:21] <nomic> tbh it works locally, but I'm not even sure how it's working
[20:21] <lapideviridi> I ran some http servers once. Apache was way too resource intensive, but nginx did the trick.
[20:22] <nomic> apache is like a leatherman .. its a larger tool for everything .. nginx / lighttpd will just serve
[20:22] <lapideviridi> lighttpd also did a wonderful job, but a lot of features were missing.
[20:22] <nomic> im probably going to use nginx - re-reading, websocket support is built in
[20:23] <nomic> borked the nginx installation .. can't purge it .. re-installing the pi3 after some time
[20:23] <nomic> something went wrong to stop it installing/uninstalling .. with these matchboxes it takes me no time at all to get a fresh system -- can't be bothered looking at it
[20:24] <nomic> nginx is probably the 2nd most widely used web server .. maybe #1 apache #2 nginx #3 lighttpd .. not sure if lighttpd is developed/supported as much as nginx
[20:24] <lapideviridi> nomic, I read somewhere that you could have the filesystem on a usb stick, and then format that, resulting in a fresh system
[20:26] <nomic> I just want a plain install .. takes no time @ all
[20:27] <nomic> found that 16.04 standard version (image) doesn't fit on 8gb micro sd anymore .. its 7.5gb 7.4 is available .. but someone on site has made a 16.04 < 8gb or 7.4 .. torrent only .. getting it
[20:28]  * nomic  waits
[20:28] <nomic> wonder why its > 7.4gb. inconvenient .. the installed system is something like 3gb
[20:28] <nomic> its like ubuntu / xubuntu went from fitting on a cd, to only fitting on a dvd
[20:28] <nomic> happens
[20:29] <nomic> far smaller than wincrap
[21:07] <cris_> hello
[21:21] <silver-dragon> Any one know why steam wont launch on ubuntu-mate 16.04
[21:21] <bekks> silver-dragon: Which error message do you get?
[21:22] <silver-dragon> nothing it just starts then crashes
[21:22] <silver-dragon> I dont know where to find a cash log
[21:22] <bekks> How does it "crash"?
[21:24] <silver-dragon> Well I guess I would say it fails to start. The first time I ran it after installing it ran the updates just fine then the second time it shows up in the dock for a second then its gone.
[21:24] <bekks> So open a terminal and start it from the terminal.
[21:25] <silver-dragon> I am re-installing it now
[21:25] <bekks> Its not Windows, that wont help at all.
[21:25] <silver-dragon> I was hoping something maybe went wrong when steam updateed so doing a fresh install might fix it
[21:26] <silver-dragon> Startup - updater built Jun 14 2016 23:23:08
[21:26] <silver-dragon> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[21:26] <silver-dragon> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[21:27] <silver-dragon> Thats the terminal output when I launch from terminal


[05:51] <bryce> libdrm, <IP_ADDRESS>+git uploaded
[09:08] <tjaalton> compiz is still disabled for i965.. mvo?
[09:10] <mvo> tjaalton: yes, is the driver all good now so that this can be changed?
[09:11] <tjaalton> mvo: I've been using it for a couple of weeks in karmic with no issues
[09:12] <mvo> tjaalton: thanks, I fix it in bzr
[09:12] <tjaalton> mvo: cool, thanks
[11:04] <lool> Is "xset force dpms off" supposed to work with KMS?
[12:21] <apw> damn .... xorg sigsegv, not handy
[12:28] <apw> jbarnes, is in the UK?
[12:29] <apw> jbarnes_LHR, even
[12:31] <apw> bryce, seeing coredumps on the standard xorg server (not kms) on an intel deskside
[12:47] <jbarnes_LHR> yep in the UK
[12:47] <jbarnes_LHR> london near the tower bridge
[13:09] <apw> heh, for long?  having fun?
[13:14] <tjaalton> apparently not ;)
[13:26] <jcristau> lool: not sure dpms is hooked up yet
[14:21] <tseliot> tjaalton, jcristau: is xserver-xorg the only package that calls dexconf?
[14:22] <jcristau> tseliot: if it's not, i'd love to know
[14:23] <tjaalton> should be, yes :)
[14:24] <tseliot> jcristau: I built an image with a package that modifies the xorg.conf (for the OEM team) and I predepend on xserver-xorg but it looks like my modified xorg.conf is renamed as xorg.conf.$date and dexconf is called
[14:24] <tseliot> my package modifies the xorg.conf in the postinst and I'm wondering why xserver-xorg modifies the xorg.conf after my package
[14:25] <tseliot> despite the predepends
[14:25] <tseliot> maybe debconf is delayed?
[14:26] <jcristau> dpkg tells you when it configures packages
[14:26] <jcristau> so check what gets configured after your package?
[14:27] <tseliot> This happens before my package is installed: Setting up xserver-xorg (1:7.4~5ubuntu18) ... xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating configuration as per $XORG_CUSTOM
[14:29] <tseliot> then my package is configured. The rest is just a standard jaunty installation
[14:31] <tseliot> jcristau: these are configured after my package:
[14:31] <tseliot> Setting up xinit (1.0.9-2) ... Setting up xinput (1.4.0-1) ... Setting up xorg (1:7.4~5ubuntu18) ... Setting up xscreensaver-gl (5.07-0ubuntu3) ...
[14:31] <jcristau> none of those touch xorg.conf..
[14:32] <tseliot> yes, I know
[14:33] <tseliot> but it looks like the xorg.conf that my package modifies is still empty in spite of the fact that xserver-xorg has already been configured
[14:33] <tseliot> the preinst of xserver-xorg creates an empty file
[14:33] <tseliot> which is filled in the postinst of xserver-xorg
[14:34] <tjaalton> default jaunty installation results in an empty xorg.conf
[14:35] <tseliot> tjaalton: not here. It has Device, Screen and Monitor sections
[14:35] <jcristau> tseliot: ah right.  i should fix that.
[14:35] <tseliot> jcristau: ? What do you need to fix (and how)?
[14:36] <jcristau> make sure i don't create an empty xorg.conf
[14:39] <tseliot> ok
[14:42] <tjaalton> tseliot: ok, maybe happens only when doing a preseeded installation
[14:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: and how can I get around the problem? Shall I predepend on the "xorg" metapackage?
[14:57] <jcristau> 'not updating configuration as per $XORG_CONFIG' means you set XORG_CONFIG=custom in /etc/default/xorg, so xserver-xorg.postinst exits without doing anything
[14:58] <tseliot> jcristau: but there's no such file in the generated image
[15:00] <jcristau> *shrug*
[15:01] <tseliot> and dexconf is being called. Maybe something reconfigures xserver-xorg at a certain point
[15:12] <tseliot> jcristau: shouldn't this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/187401/ be more like this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/187404/
[15:12] <jcristau> dunno, what's the difference?
[15:13] <jcristau> i mean, why not allow XORG_CONFIG from the environment rather than that default file?
[15:14] <tseliot> where can that variable be defined apart from the default file?
[15:14] <jcristau> your environment
[15:17] <tseliot> ok, so somewhere in this system has that variable set to custom...
[15:17] <tseliot> without sourcing?
[15:23] <bryce> morning
[15:23] <tseliot> hey bryce
[15:28] <bryce> tseliot: heya, all done with demos and such?  hope all went well :-)
[15:29] <tseliot> bryce: I'm still fighting with xserver-xorg which is overwriting my customised xorg.conf even though I predepend on it :-(
[15:37] <bryce> apw: if you can reproduce the crash and get a full backtrace (process documented at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/) it could help
[15:39] <apw> bryce, yep 100% reproucible
[15:40] <tseliot> jcristau: removing the postinst/preinst, etc. of xserver-xorg shouldn't cause problems, right? (just to be sure)
[15:42] <jcristau> dunno.
[15:50] <Sarvatt> wow, now this looks interesting http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=commit;h=5112f5941c34ea49155a02672647c61afb1e6bf5
[16:08] <micahg> bryce: could you look at a bug for me, it seems to match an upstream link for 2 other bugs you were workign on
[16:08] <micahg> bug 374398
[16:10] <bryce> hi micahg, what aspect needs looked at?
[16:10] <micahg> if it should be merged with bug 291053
[16:10] <bryce> fwiw, there's a slew of known glitches with -ati since we moved to EXA.
[16:11] <micahg> that's good to know
[16:12] <bryce> yes, it could well be a dupe
[16:12] <micahg> do you want to change what's appropriate in the title in the original?
[16:12] <micahg> or does more triage need to happen
[16:13] <bryce> it can probably be changed to "Small pixmap corruption [EXA enabled]" to match upstream's bug title
[16:13] <micahg> ok, and I should just mark as dupe then?
[16:13] <bryce> micahg: at this stage what needs done is to test patches alex provides and give feedback
[16:13] <bryce> micahg: yes that sounds good
[16:14] <micahg> are the patches upstream?
[16:14] <bryce> they get posted on the upstream bug report
[16:14] <bryce> alex likes to have folks test them before he puts them in the upstream tree
[16:15] <micahg> Where should people comment about the patches, upstream, right?
[16:16] <bryce> yes, on the upstream bug
[16:17] <micahg> ok
[16:17] <micahg> done
[16:17] <bryce> thanks micahg :-)
[16:17] <micahg> no problem, I just wasn't sure what to do as I normally work on Firefox bugs
[16:18] <micahg> now I know where to go for X bugs :)
[16:19] <bryce> micahg: what do you work on normally?
[16:19] <micahg> Firefox bugs
[16:19] <bryce> ah kewl
[16:20] <micahg> bryce: may I PM you
[16:20] <bryce> yeah, oftentimes the firefox X bugs are display issues rather than freezes/crashes, so since they're cosmetic often aren't given as much attention
[16:21] <bryce> so if you can take them upstream directly, it could help out a lot
[16:21] <bryce> micahg: if it is about something private; otherwise if it's just X questions this channel is most appropriate
[16:21] <micahg> the problem is usually figuring out which other component is causing the trouble
[16:26] <bryce> micahg: btw there's some info at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/ that could be useful
[16:27] <bryce> covers how to triage X bugs, how to troubleshoot issues, and so forth.  It should help answer the question about what component causes what problem
[16:27] <micahg> I should probably read that
[16:27] <bryce> as a general rule, display issues are almost always caused either by the video driver the user is using
[16:27] <apw> bryce, added the full stack trace to the bug
[16:27] <bryce> s/either//
[16:28] <bryce> apw: excellent thanks
[16:28] <apw> I830DRI2CopyRegion() goes pop :)  have fun
[16:28] <bryce> micahg: er I should say, if the problem is an X bug, it's usually in the video driver.  Sometimes with firefox the issues have been further up the stack in cairo or an intermediate library
[16:29] <bryce> apw: was this while viewing a really large jpg?
[16:29] <apw> nope.  this is while engaging the screen saver
[16:29] <bryce> hmm
[16:29] <apw> it fades to black then dumps
[16:29] <Sarvatt> gl screensaver?
[16:29] <apw> i guess its making a big black square to hide the screen
[16:29] <bryce> ahh
[16:29] <apw> default gnome screen saver
[16:30] <bryce> apw: the <IP_ADDRESS> upload I did yesterday had a fix for a crash bug involving I830DRI2CopyRegion() when viewing large jpg images
[16:30] <apw> hrm when might that hit the archives.  i updated within the last two hours
[16:30] <bryce> yikes, there is a fricken huge spider on the ceiling above me.
[16:30] <bryce> apw: should have hit last night some time
[16:30] <apw> it wants you for lunch
[16:30] <bryce> apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:31] <apw> apw@chloe:~$ apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:31] <apw> xserver-xorg-video-intel | 2:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu1 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[16:31] <apw> xserver-xorg-video-intel | 2:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu1 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Sources
[16:33] <bryce> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[16:36] <bryce> (spider got away, crazy fast mfker)
[16:41] <tormod> famous last words
[16:41] <Sarvatt> bryce: this relevant? http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=b8e360bf2b77d28559d15a7c0f9c766848eb6ced
[16:42] <Sarvatt> regarding apw's backtrace
[16:42] <Sarvatt> also http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=5901a67fc85ac80fabfa98b78202a388445275c3
[16:43] <apw> apw@chloe:~$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:43] <apw> xserver-xorg-video-intel:
[16:43] <apw>   Installed: 2:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu1
[16:43] <apw>   Candidate: 2:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu1
[16:43] <apw>   Version table:
[16:43] <apw>  *** 2:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu1 0
[16:43] <apw>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[16:43] <apw>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:43] <Sarvatt> updating edgers now
[16:45] <apw> bryce, need anything else?
[16:45] <bryce>  pDestBuffer = (DRI2BufferPtr) 0x0
[16:45] <bryce> apw: nope, looks like a good trace I can take it from here
[16:46] <apw> ouch ...
[16:46] <bryce> apw: later we may have some patches to test
[16:46] <apw> sure thing.  ping me, i may be here still if not shove them somewhere and i'll get to them first thing
[16:46] <apw> i am guessing most of us are using the edgers things to get kms and not testing what the basic users get!
[16:46] <bryce> ok, may be a few hours, I have an AMD confcall in a few hours
[16:47] <apw> i don't need the machine its on for interactive use so it can hang around waiting for you
[16:47] <apw> ie. no rush, whenever suits
[16:50] <cwillu> apw, re: the 2.6.30-999 resume swapper crash I had recently, I wasn't at home, so I didn't have netconsole running.  I'll try to duplicate it again today.  I've got a different issue when I resume with kms enabled, so I'm trying to split my time between the two ways I can make it crash :)
[16:51] <apw> heheh fun for all the family for sure
[16:52] <cwillu> re: trace, you just want the console output, right?
[16:54] <cwillu> I'll try to work off 2.6.30-7 #8 with kms off, if that dupes easily, I'll move up to the latest daily and dupe it there too
[17:31] <Sarvatt> apw: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/643434/+listing-archive-extra
[17:35] <apw> Sarvatt, looking good here
[17:37] <Sarvatt> good to hear, there was a last minute commit to enable vsync for DRI2 CopyRegion (to fix tearing problems) that made it into the 06-02 and it got fixed up by a bunch of commits this morning
[17:39] <apw> and your test there was just picking up those fixes too
[17:39] <apw> Sarvatt, this is logged under bug #383129
[18:18] <Sarvatt> holy hell, anholt's latest commit in for-review on drm-intel sped up 3d performance in UXA an amazing amount for me
[18:19] <Sarvatt> sorry, wrong channel yet again
[18:30] <Sarvatt> relevant here though, I'm seeing a 50% 3D performance increase in everything i've run so far on intel, not just openarena at high settings like the commit says. i put a kernel here incase anyone else wants to test it out http://sarvatt.com/downloads/LATEST/
[18:40] <bryce> Sarvatt: kewl
[18:44] <crevette> wow, kms is wonderful, instant switching between VT
[18:44] <crevette> and full resolution in terminal
[18:53] <bryce> :-)
[18:53] <jcristau> and no vt switch on s/r
[18:54] <crevette> I rarely suspend my laptop
[18:57] <tjaalton> jcristau: do you think we could --disable-gallium until the packaging issues are sorted out?
[18:58] <tjaalton> of mesa
[18:59] <jcristau> tjaalton: i was going to wait for a reply from michel
[19:00] <tjaalton> jcristau: ok
[19:00] <jcristau> tjaalton: maybe you can ping him about it on irc?
[19:00] <tjaalton> sure, could do that
[20:45] <hyperair> Sarvatt: did i mention yet that the cursor gets hopelessly corrupted after hibernating and resuming?
[20:48] <Sarvatt> just hibernate or suspend/resume too? why dont you file bug reports on fd.o about the problems you have? :D
[20:49] <Sarvatt> if its suspend/resume too -- http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=commit;h=596652e1094a9c7bebcd4d36a7f3d3a2d9698950  can try that kernel i just pasted to see if its fixed by that
[23:15] <solarion> is the intel driver crashing Xorg (sig 11) when full-screening things a known problem?
[23:16] <Sarvatt> yup
[23:16] <Sarvatt> can grab https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Esarvatt/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/643434/+listing-archive-extra or disable compiz until its updated
[23:17] <solarion> why is it a compiz problem?
[23:17] <solarion> ah, not a compiz probelm; compiz-triggered
[23:17] <Sarvatt> yeah compiz triggered, sorry
[23:17] <solarion> is ok; just saw a compiz update come through
[23:19] <solarion> any idea when it'll get fixed in the ppa or karmic?
[23:19] <Sarvatt> just linked a PPA with the fix in it :)
[23:24] <solarion> it's not the ubuntu-x-swat ppa
[23:25]  * solarion is leery of installing from unknown repos
[23:25] <Sarvatt> the one i linked is drop in replaceable with karmic, its also in xorg-edgers but you'd have to upgrade drm too to use that one
[23:25] <Sarvatt> ah understandable
[23:25] <solarion> is there any point to having the jaunty x-swat repo in?
[23:26] <solarion> it's too bad you can't limit what can come out of a repo
[23:26] <solarion> the best I can figure atm is not including the keys and then watching what comes unsigned, but it's unsigned.


[02:35] <Takyoji_> http://www.brainofshawn.com/2010/01/17/an-update-on-our-house/
[02:37] <_diablo> whoa
[20:13]  * Obsidian1723 bynw been on today?
[20:35] <tonyyarusso> heh, bynw was last seen by nickserv in April.
[20:45] <_diablo> hey, does anyone here know about installing 386 printer drivers on 64 bit linux?
[20:52] <tonyyarusso> ewww
[20:52] <tonyyarusso> I don't even know if the compatibility library is still in the repos
[20:52] <tonyyarusso> oh, yeah it is
[20:53] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: I know it will involve this package, but exactly how to do it is a bit beyond me.  Also, it's a security risk.
[20:53] <tonyyarusso> !info ia32-libs
[20:53] <ubot3> ia32-libs: ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7ubuntu17 (karmic), package size 28559 kB, installed size 128720 kB (Only available for amd64 ia64)
[20:54] <tonyyarusso> I've never heard of people doing it with printer drives specifically, but if you can find the instructions for 32-bit Firefox / Flash you'll probably be okay.
[20:54] <_diablo> ah, okay, itobasco wanted me to ask for him while he got online
[20:54] <itobasco> thanks for your help guys
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> good luck!
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> (And next time buy HP!)
[20:55] <itobasco> well my gf got this for free from apple...so really no choice here
[20:56] <tonyyarusso> ah
[20:56] <tonyyarusso> You aren't Larry by any chance?
[20:56]  * tonyyarusso is reading e-mail
[20:56] <itobasco> Larry? no...
[20:58] <tonyyarusso> k
[21:02] <tonyyarusso> h00k: btw, do you have any idea why Shawn's pets weren't able to escape?
[21:02] <h00k> tonyyarusso: ...er, I have no idea what you are talking about!
[21:03] <tonyyarusso> darn it memory
[21:03] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: I meant you.
[21:04] <tonyyarusso> h00k: Linux Journal editor's house burned, and all of their pets died.
[21:04] <h00k> tonyyarusso: oh, that Shawn! Yeah :(
[21:06] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I assumed that the doors were closed on the house.
[21:06] <_diablo> I read that article
[21:06] <h00k> tonyyarusso: did you see the discussion on identi.ca yesterday?
[21:07] <tonyyarusso> h00k: about this?  No.
[21:07] <h00k> tonyyarusso: someone was like "ubuntu isn't a charity, they better have had insurance"
[21:07] <_diablo> lol
[21:07] <_diablo> that's ridic
[21:07] <tonyyarusso> eh?  He doesn't even work for Ubuntu...
[21:07] <h00k> It's true, but I think they were starting a fundraiser for him or something
[21:07] <h00k> and then someone rebutted about Ubuntu meaning "Humanity towards others"
[21:07] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: Doesn't every pet owner know that they need to have an egress for precisely this reason?
[21:08] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, we didn't have one when I was little for my dog
[21:09] <tonyyarusso> Really?  Scary.
[21:09] <tonyyarusso> Well, then, this is why you should!
[21:11] <_diablo> makes sense now :)


[07:47] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:50] <eoli3n> Hi
[13:51] <eoli3n> i can't get timezone setting with autoinstall
[13:51] <eoli3n> i use https://x0.at/_cG.txt
[13:51] <eoli3n> but after reboot /etc/timezone is not set like it should
[13:53] <Hamidreza> Hi, I would appreciate if you could help me on this:https://pastebin.com/uy9cG17M
[13:54] <eoli3n> what give nslookup www.google.fr
[14:26] <Hamidreza> eoli3n, it will respond the ip
[14:27] <eoli3n> so what is not working
[14:27] <Hamidreza> but for local zone:
[14:27] <Hamidreza> ** server can't find dev12: NXDOMAIN
[14:27] <eoli3n> you need to configure domains
[14:27] <eoli3n> look at /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[14:27] <eoli3n> "Domains"
[14:29] <Hamidreza> eoli3n, should I restart sth?
[14:29] <eoli3n> sth ?
[14:33] <Hamidreza> I mean which service should I restart to adjust this conf
[14:34] <Hamidreza> How can I permanent search domain in resolve.conf?
[14:38] <eoli3n> change Domains=domain.fr. then systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[14:38] <eoli3n> you can set multiple subdomains with space as separator
[14:40] <Hamidreza> eoli3n, Thanks, it worked
[14:41] <eoli3n> np
[14:43] <Hamidreza> eoli3n,
[14:43] <Hamidreza> ping: dev17: Temporary failure in name resolution
[14:44] <Hamidreza> nameserver in resolve.conf is nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:44] <Hamidreza> but I set another server in netplan config file
[14:50] <TJ-> Hamidreza: resolv.conf is NOT for changing; <IP_ADDRESS> is the local systemd-resolved stub resolver, and *IT* has the DNS servers set by netplan et al. See what are set with (18.04) "systemd-resolve --status" or (20.04) "resolvectl status"
[18:16] <SpaceBass> Hey folks... I'm migrating from an LDAP SSO backend to a new AD-based SSSD approach. I migrated my users to AD. And on linux I can authenticate as AD users, but those user's don't have ownership over their directories or files. Is there a way to map the new UIDs to the old ones?
[18:18] <Dus10> Anyone know how I can troubleshoot autoinstall with subiquity?  I am not sure it is getting the file and what it is doing.
[19:02] <rbasak> smoser: in https://gist.github.com/smoser/3cd61fe6e08f0c0955ef949350897d15#file-readme-md, what would you do wrt. squashing commits down that back and forthed in a merge proposal? IOW, would you editorialize debian/changelog or just use log2dch as-is?
[19:02]  * rbasak is trying to match previous style
[19:15] <smoser> rbasak: i suspect i'd use log2dch output.
[19:15] <smoser> but if something had to be cleaned up i would.
[19:16] <rbasak> I'll clean up then, thanks.


[01:33] <ColonelPanic001> I don't want to brag, but the coffee shop we're in for Downriver CHC is showing Jurassic Park
[01:35] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Is this a good thing?
[01:36] <ColonelPanic001> Maybe you didn't hear me.
[01:36] <rick_h_> hah
[01:36] <ColonelPanic001> Jurrasic. Park.
[01:37] <ColonelPanic001> They showed the lawyer-eating scene.
[01:37] <ColonelPanic001> "I object!" "lol no" *nom nom*
[01:37]  * ColonelPanic001 takes a bow
[02:53] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/860/ widox
[03:48] <rick_h_droid> dammit
[03:48] <rick_h_droid> snap-l ping
[04:00] <snap-l> pong
[04:01] <snap-l> btw: Would someone check http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1 with their calendar program of choice and see if it's working?
[04:02] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: pong
[04:04] <Blazeix> snap-l: works for me!
[04:04] <Blazeix> in google calendar
[04:04] <snap-l> Wooo woo!!!!
[04:04] <rick_h_droid> snap-l see pm
[04:04] <Blazeix> thanks for fixing that. what was the trick?
[04:06] <snap-l> Basically mimicking an ajax call (they had code for that)
[04:07] <snap-l> http://issues.civicrm.org/jira/browse/CRM-10655?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel#comment-47580
[04:07] <snap-l> It's extremely hackish, but it works. :)
[04:09] <derekv> so, how is ubuntu on arm for UX
[10:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: nvm on the thing last night. I'm a giant moron
[10:31] <rick_h_> derekv: so it runs, the nexus 7 images are arm
[10:31] <rick_h_> derekv: but not tried it myself, I still want to get/setup an arm server.
[13:41] <derekv> whats it using, gtk+?
[13:41] <derekv> what are they going to use for touch UI apps i mean
[13:41] <derekv> please not java
[14:20] <rick_h_> derekv: qt and qtml
[14:22] <brousch> mmmm. qt
[14:27] <n0p> hey guys, am i missing something here, was going to download 12.10 x64 and burn it on a CD, however it is 763M now, too big for any CDs i have.. :-/
[14:28] <rick_h_> n0p: I think it's dvd only now?
[14:28] <rick_h_> usb ftw
[14:28] <n0p> ugh, ic
[14:28] <n0p> usb would be nice, but i dont have a free one atm
[14:28] <n0p> dvd it is, fo rthat extra 63M
[14:30] <shakes808> Good morning all
[14:30] <shakes808> here is an interesting article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2020268/meet-microsoft-the-worlds-best-kept-randd-secret.html?fb_action_ids=10151445590087517&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151445590087517%22:412285995508945%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151445590087517%22:%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
[14:30] <n0p> rick_h_: are you going to codemash?
[14:31] <rick_h_> n0p: no, debated but decided not to
[14:31] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/ea1b1124268bd4
[14:52] <snap-l> n0p: I think there's a minimal iso disc you can burn
[14:52] <snap-l> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[14:53] <n0p> snap-l: oh nice, thanks!
[14:53] <snap-l> np
[15:37] <rick_h_> brousch: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/python-support#runtimes
[15:37] <brousch> ohmy
[15:38] <brousch> Django 1.5 will supposedly have Python3 support
[15:38] <rick_h_> yea, I need to update bookie_parser to be py3
[15:38] <rick_h_> most of the deps other than my code will work
[15:47] <jrwren> it DOES have 3 support.
[15:47] <jrwren> beta is out
[15:48] <brousch> I'll reserve judgment until people are using it in production on real sites
[15:51] <rick_h_> can never make brousch happy
[15:52] <brousch> heh
[16:41] <greg-g> man, every so often I just totally brain fart on a vim shortcut
[16:41] <greg-g> z= was the one just now (writing an email)
[16:41] <rick_h_> spelling?
[16:41] <greg-g> yeah
[16:42] <rick_h_> yea, spelling and folds on the z* space are pure muscle memory and I really only know a couple
[17:00] <jrwren> omg jedi-vim!!!
[17:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/8341935799/
[17:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: ++++
[17:54] <rick_h_> gotta teach those required skills lol
[17:55] <rick_h_> square drive ftw
[17:55] <rick_h_> also put him to work with his snow shovel. Daddy might have to borrow that later. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/8341956211/
[18:13] <_stink_> rick_h_: awesome!
[18:14] <rick_h_> _stink_: you guys having fun in the snow?
[18:15] <_stink_> some
[18:15] <_stink_> my kid doesn't love the sled
[18:15] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/photos/112719704219936118281/albums/5826743496466381521/5826745381603363778?banner=pwa
[18:15] <_stink_> so we stomp around instead
[18:15] <rick_h_> no?!
[18:15] <rick_h_> hah!
[18:16] <_stink_> he's like the opposite of a daredevil
[18:16] <_stink_> great pic
[18:16] <rick_h_> he loves to shovel around so had to get him his own snow shovel so I could get it done
[18:16] <rick_h_> yea, wife took that one during a session with neighbors joining us after that big snowfall
[18:16] <_stink_> yeah, we have one for him too
[18:16] <_stink_> he usually digs for "dinosaur bones"
[18:17] <rick_h_> lol, we've got a curious george book about digging for dino bones and he always asks "Why is george digging for bones?"
[18:17] <_stink_> haha
[18:17] <_stink_> i love those questions
[18:17] <rick_h_> yea, tis the year of 'why?'
[18:18] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/photos/112719704219936118281/albums/5826743496466381521/5826743873690166322?banner=pwa
[18:18] <brousch> _stink_: My son refuses to go sledding now. Last year he fell off the sled and got snow packed between his glasses and face. Now he sites that as the reason he doesn't want to go sledding
[18:18] <rick_h_> needs his headphones and glasses like daddy when he works, with holiday cheer
[18:18] <_stink_> brousch: i don't blame him
[18:18] <rick_h_> :(
[18:18] <_stink_> how old is he now?
[18:18] <_stink_> brousch: --^
[18:18] <brousch> 5
[18:18] <_stink_> so he's old enough to remember that fall forever
[18:18] <brousch> heh
[18:18] <brousch> It wasn't even that bad
[18:19] <rick_h_> whenever we have a rough one I go down with him and it helps wipe all that away
[18:19] <rick_h_> two person sled ftw
[18:19] <_stink_> yeah, we need one of those
[18:19] <brousch> He was sledding with 4 year old cousin at the time
[18:19] <rick_h_> he wouldn't go down at first unless I went with, now he's on the green circle by himself spinning like crazy
[18:19] <_stink_> he doesn't know the fun of the saucer yet
[18:19] <rick_h_> lol, exacly
[18:19] <rick_h_> have to prove it's fun and safe...then let the danger begin!
[18:21] <_stink_> i keep thinking about how most people's memories start at about age 3
[18:21] <rick_h_> really? I've got a horrible memory. I've got a hard time going to 3rd grade
[18:21] <_stink_> so i'm wondering what he'll be recalling when i'm old and decrepit
[18:21] <rick_h_> lol
[18:21] <brousch> I have a hard time going to last year
[18:21] <rick_h_> my wife keeps doing things saying "He's going to remember his christmas was magical dammit!"
[18:22] <_stink_> hah
[18:22] <_stink_> no, he will not.
[18:22] <rick_h_> so the running joke whenever we get through setting up lights, etc is 'boy, you better remember the magic!'
[18:22] <_stink_> haha
[18:24] <_stink_> we skipped a few things for the holidays this year
[18:24] <_stink_> didn't go get our own tree
[18:24] <_stink_> with the baby around
[18:24] <rick_h_> ah, we just started. First year doing that
[18:24] <rick_h_> ah right, yea. baby will bring practical and necessity to the front every time
[18:25] <rick_h_> we didn't do much the first two years with him because of that
[18:25] <_stink_> so now you can have the fun times
[18:25] <_stink_> and yet we
[18:25] <_stink_> did it all again.
[18:26] <rick_h_> heh, you'll be happy when they go off and play together
[18:26] <_stink_> yeah
[18:26] <rick_h_> this holiday killed me with all the 'quality time'
[18:26] <_stink_> haha
[18:26] <rick_h_> I was driving him to day care laughing about a day without 'tackle time!'
[18:30] <jrwren> magical christmas like lots of apple products?
[18:36] <snap-l> HOLY SHIT!!!! https://ting.com/devices/Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus
[18:37] <snap-l> I did not know Ting had the Nexus.
[18:37] <rick_h_> cool
[18:46] <brousch> snap-l: You're making ting look better and better
[18:59] <snap-l> brousch: I know. :)
[20:17] <snap-l> This is why I've given up on Perl: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2013-01-03#i_6294451
[20:19] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/15tnon/damian_conway_on_the_state_of_perl_perl_6_writing/c7pwfki <- and this summmarizes my thoughts to a T
[20:39] <dzho> perl v. duke nukem
[20:42] <rick_h_> perl6? People still work on that?
[20:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: Apparently.
[20:44] <snap-l> And apparently Perl 6 has had "releases"
[20:44] <rick_h_> For those who are saying: “I remember Perl, I was dong Perl back in 1995 surely that’s died out now” - No, it didn’t, Perl did go quiet for some time, there was 6 or 7 years period where there were no major releases of Perl, it was Perl 5.8 and it was Perl 5.8 in 2002 and it was Perl 5.8 in 2007 and that often gives the impression that the language died or is not under development.
[20:45] <rick_h_> 6 or 7 years? should we really look at what's changed in the world in 6 or 7 years?
[20:46] <rick_h_> also, not perfect due to the linkage factory, but much more readable http://r.bmark.us/u/c89263d65c7f19
[20:49] <snap-l> That's where something like Modern Perl has come into it's own
[20:50] <snap-l> But still, it's a little irritating when people compare Perl 6  with Python 3.
[20:50] <snap-l> Python 3 is production ready
[20:50] <snap-l> period
[20:50] <rick_h_> yea, I think he's talking without info
[20:51] <snap-l> It's not a question of when Python 3 will hit production
[20:51] <rick_h_> but hey, it's his 'outsider' perspective, whatever
[20:51] <rick_h_> when py3 is the default in servers (which was when php5 took off to) it'll flip nicelyu
[20:53] <snap-l> And we're to that point, I think
[20:53] <snap-l> Perl 6 hasn't had that php 4 -> 5 transition
[20:53] <dzho> and reading that, it won't
[20:54] <dzho> he makes the comparison Perl5:Perl6::C:C++
[20:54] <rick_h_> once RH and ubuntu have py3 main ootb py3 will take over. That simple
[20:54] <rick_h_> it's really our fault as OS distributions
[20:54] <rick_h_> people aren't going to code for the non-default en masse
[20:54] <dzho> debian still has a ton of perl fairly deep in the distro
[20:54] <snap-l> And yes, Perl 5.14 has features of blah blah crap crap, but Perl 6 will be some mecca-language
[20:55] <rick_h_> hah, how long does everyone give this to last? http://r.bmark.us/u/8624ffe68a49e0
[20:55] <snap-l> And we all just look forward to programming in C++, right?
[20:56] <snap-l> “Free is being totally irresponsible and threatens to bring a violent blow to an entire segment of the digital economy!” said Numérama. That site also reported that the block appears to affect a number of large ad networks, including Google Adsense, NetAvenir, and AdTech.
[20:57] <snap-l> Honestly, Perl's biggest mistake is in calling their pie-in-the-sky language "Perl"
[20:58] <rick_h_> sounds like it
[21:03] <lmorchard> Ah, perl.
[21:04] <lmorchard> perl used to be my jam, probably up to around 5.6. jumped ship to python before the perl 6 madness really took hold
[21:05] <lmorchard> I haven't really played with python 3 at all yet though
[21:06] <brousch> Well what are you waiting for?!
[21:07] <lmorchard> None of the projects I work on are compatible?
[21:08] <brousch> Fix them!
[21:08] <lmorchard> Patches welcome :)
[21:08] <brousch> If they're not on PYthon3, then  they are broken
[21:10] <lmorchard> Still working on getting one of our sites from Django 1.2 to 1.5, so python3 isn't even on the horizon, nevermind all the steps to get the servers ready for it
[21:11] <brousch> I think Python3 will really pick up once Django is on it
[21:12] <lmorchard> Yeah, mainly the reason we use python now is because of Django
[21:12] <brousch> Django is teh awesome
[21:13] <lmorchard> and also because PHP is brain-stabby
[21:15] <snap-l> If faced with a decisiton of PHP vs Django and being mauled by a bear, I'd probably still choose Django
[21:16] <snap-l> At least bear wounds heal
[21:20] <brousch> And leave cool scars
[21:38] <n0p> haters gotta hate ;-)
[23:17] <rick_h_> lmorchard: though seems like pyramid (py3 compat) is taking hold in parts of mozilla
[23:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: http://r.bmark.us/u/a1d0233ac4a751
[23:37] <jcastro> hah
[23:39] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, that didn't take long