[12:00] <dupondje> Whats the easiest way to build a package for all supported ubuntu versions into a ppa? Is there like some command to dput to all ?
[12:02] <cjwatson> No.
[12:03] <cjwatson> Easiest way if it's possible is to upload to the oldest series and then copy forward (including binaries) once it's built.
[12:03] <dupondje> but then its not rebuild against newer libs right?
[12:03] <cjwatson> Or use recipes if you can.  Failing that you just need to build a source package for each series with appropriately-distinct versions and upload each of them.
[12:04] <cjwatson> (This is often automatable.)
[12:04] <cjwatson> No, it's not.  Though in the majority of cases there's no need to do so.
[12:05] <dupondje> recipes are in LP right. i'll have a look at that :)


[00:07] <Unit193> I should likely respond to something...But words are hard!
[00:23] <bluesabre> Word.
[02:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll be about tonight - might need a bunch of pings :p
[02:45] <bluesabre> :)
[02:45] <flocculant> :)
[02:45] <flocculant> cos it's 3:45 and I'm now awake :(
[02:45] <bluesabre> That's really dang early
[02:46] <flocculant> yup
[02:47] <flocculant> woohoo - ppa's at bionic :)
[02:53] <bluesabre> flocculant: updated the agenda for tomorrow, feel free to add anything else you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[02:53] <bluesabre> Will send the announcement in a few
[02:54] <flocculant> ok
[02:55] <flocculant> bionic updates - all from our ppa's :D
[02:57] <bluesabre> beginning of cycle is always fun with copying ppa packages
[02:57] <bluesabre> there's probably an easier way :\
[02:57] <Unit193> I just re-upload, it's pretty easy.
[02:58] <bluesabre> yeah
[02:58] <bluesabre> Time consuming though
[02:58] <bluesabre> Finally fixed the -settings package
[02:58] <Unit193> debuild -tc -sa -S && bppackage ../*.dsc -l ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce4-gtk3 -b  and it's done.
[02:59] <bluesabre> That would be the easier way I didn't know about :D
[02:59] <Unit193> I thought you meant literally copying the package forward.
[02:59] <flocculant> is there a way to know how many 'people' are downloading from a ppa?
[02:59] <bluesabre> dget; cd; dch -i; cd ..; dput
[03:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: Unit193 has some method to get stats
[03:01] <flocculant> could be useful to know how many
[03:01] <flocculant> might be closer to 'testers' than 'I report on trackers' :D
[03:02] <flocculant> because that's apparently 4 ...
[03:02] <flocculant> :D
[03:05] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/z29kjW3pJKkweByGIZrP keep in mind this includes builds installing them.
[03:05] <Unit193> ..It also sometimes miscounts.
[03:06] <flocculant> Unit193: ta - and ack
[03:07] <flocculant> after meeting and I push testing mail - might be useful to check a week or so after
[03:07] <Unit193> I'm, uh. likely going to let bluesabre push to PPAs. :3
[03:08] <bluesabre> :)
[03:08] <flocculant> :)
[03:09] <Unit193> Bionic is around for 3 years, I don't really want to commit to keeping them up to date/functional/backporting for that long. :3
[03:09] <flocculant> lol
[03:23] <bluesabre> Our official PPAs promise no support
[03:25] <bluesabre> And if they are mostly for our use or testing, not sure it's necessary to keep them up to date unless somebody in the team has a need for them
[03:26] <bluesabre> Anyhoo, up too late, night all
[03:29] <flocculant> night night
[06:52] <ninetls> bluesabre: gtk_container_get_children produces a list which I should free. also it implemented using the same gtk_container_foreach.
[06:52] <ninetls> it makes empty list and then call foreach, in each callback call it adds child to the list
[09:47] <bluesabre> ninetls: yup, was just a quick one-liner example
[10:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: You see the archive is open?
[10:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: indeed!
[10:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: You going to do the uploads I had pending in my head?  I can't remember them. :D
[10:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll probably get some uploads in tonight
[10:21] <Unit193> :3
[10:21] <bluesabre> pa-plug
[10:21] <bluesabre> you mentioned desktop recently
[10:21] <bluesabre> also going to discuss at the meeting this evening
[10:22] <Unit193> Ah right.
[10:27] <ochosi> some changes to the default settings may also be worth discussing
[10:27] <ochosi> e.g. a shortcut in whiskermenu to report a bug against xfce or something
[10:28] <Unit193> https://xfce.org/getinvolved
[10:28] <ochosi> and with shortcut i mean something like an action
[10:29] <ochosi> search action
[10:29] <Unit193> That's a bit harder, unless you know which precise package.  Also, that might become more "interesting" with the infra changes upstream, and the fact this release will be 3 years.
[10:29] <ochosi> yeah, but we'll need some redirects there anyhow, but you're right...
[10:30] <ochosi> anyway, was just a thought, maybe we have other good ideas for additional default actions
[10:30] <ochosi> and pleeease, let's discuss the xfwm4 alt-tab default (those huge previews really don't work well imo)
[10:31] <Unit193> In the past, distros have pointed at thir own trackers so as not to "spam" upstream with what could be packaging bugs or bugs in old releases long since fixed.
[10:31] <Unit193> (Which huge previews?)
[10:32] <bluesabre> the alt-tab image previews with xfwm
[10:33] <ochosi> yeah, a "lp #1234" shortcut may also be helpful
[10:33] <ochosi> ooops :)
[10:34] <Unit193> Yeah wasn't sure if I had a non-default setting, or if we defined "huge" differently.  I'm presuming "show window preview instead of icon" is selected.
[10:36] <ochosi> yeah, that is currently selected
[10:37] <ochosi> but tbh based on the feedback from my work colleagues (i've rolled out xubuntu within my company/team) it's not helpful
[10:37] <Unit193> \o/
[10:37] <Unit193> And yeah, I either use this, or list mode.
[10:38] <ochosi> if the window-preview mode could be bound to a different shortcut that could also be helpful
[10:38] <Unit193> not sure it's worth it.
[10:41] <bluesabre> Yeah, I prefer the icon only mode or list mode
[10:42] <bluesabre> I have a few folks where I work (including  3/5 of our web team) using xubuntu :)
[10:46]  * Unit193 is sure bluesabre does https://i.imgur.com/snLplqq.jpg
[11:04] <bluesabre> Nah, more like "I use this. You use this."
[11:05] <ochosi> :)
[11:05] <ochosi> we could almost do that meeting now
[11:05] <ochosi> almost everyone is here now
[11:05] <ochosi> flocculant?
[11:05] <ochosi> :)
[11:06] <akxwi-dave> :-) he'll be hiding
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> yey meeting adjourned \o/
[11:07] <Unit193> Everyone hides from meetings.
[11:43] <knome> sure.
[11:49] <knome> the time might be a bit too late for me this time
[13:17] <flocculant> ochosi: new job - mon - thursday not available between 7:15 and 5:30, finish early on Friday
[21:37] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:40] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[21:42] <ochosi> hey
[21:43] <flocculant> hi ochosi
[21:44] <flocculant> hope knome turns up so I can corrall you all :p
[21:44] <ochosi> :)
[21:45] <flocculant> I might be a bit slow - so I will 'but' to slow you all down :D
[21:45] <bluesabre> :D
[21:46] <flocculant> but ...
[21:46] <flocculant> a bit like that :p
[21:47] <bluesabre> !team | Meeting in 13 minutes, swing by if you want to pitch in :)
[21:59] <bluesabre> Who put this? "there's a phuny-thing, but could you please log this meeting to the ubuntu wiki ? so other's can go and read about artful aardvark 17.10."
[21:59] <bluesabre> :D
[21:59] <flocculant> could have been slickymaster
[22:00] <flocculant> or me :p
[22:00] <slickymaster> lol
[22:00] <flocculant> sean - burt is this guy ...
[22:00] <slickymaster> his nick is yselnne
[22:01] <flocculant> I will obv remember that
[22:01] <bluesabre> hm
[22:01] <bluesabre> :D
[22:01] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[22:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Oct 27 22:01:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[22:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[22:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: got fot it :D
[22:01] <flocculant> for :D
[22:01] <bluesabre> Who's around?
[22:01] <ochosi> o/
[22:01] <flocculant> me !!!!!!!!!!!
[22:02] <flocculant> o/
[22:02] <bluesabre>  #chair ochosi flocculant slickymaster Unit193
[22:02] <flocculant> :(
[22:02] <bluesabre> #chair ochosi flocculant slickymaster Unit193
[22:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant ochosi slickymaster
[22:02] <slickymaster> can't say I'm not, now
[22:02] <bluesabre> :D
[22:02] <bluesabre> Sneaky
[22:02] <flocculant> gah
[22:02] <bluesabre> Anybody else want a chair ;)
[22:02] <flocculant> ...
[22:03] <bluesabre> Let's get started then
[22:03] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[22:03] <bluesabre> (and there are none)
[22:03] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:03] <flocculant> bluesabre:
[22:03] <bluesabre> #info Blueprints are up: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-development
[22:03] <bluesabre> #info The archive is open
[22:03] <bluesabre> #info PPAs are ready
[22:03] <bluesabre> #info Feature Definition Freeze on November 30th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureDefinitionFreeze
[22:04] <flocculant> can I jump in right at the start
[22:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: go for it
[22:04] <flocculant> make a statement and then we can all go 'argue' mode
[22:04] <flocculant> ok ... so
[22:05] <flocculant> we has bugs
[22:05] <flocculant> we has isues
[22:05] <flocculant> we has xfce doing stuff
[22:05] <flocculant> we has xfce doing stuff for the other year
[22:05] <flocculant> and year
[22:05] <flocculant> WE have 6 months
[22:06] <flocculant> to count for 3 years
[22:06] <flocculant> can we PLEASE decide soon
[22:06] <flocculant> then we can ALL test
[22:07] <flocculant> that is the Xubuntu 18.04 QA statement
[22:07] <flocculant> akxwi-dave's not done this 3 year lie
[22:07] <flocculant> I have
[22:07] <flocculant> not again.
[22:07] <flocculant> Full Stop.
[22:08] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks ;)
[22:08] <bluesabre> Cool, good discussion material :D
[22:08] <Unit193> Right, so 4.13 is a *development* release, by the name alone it really shouldn't be in an LTS.
[22:08] <flocculant> :D
[22:08] <bluesabre> yes
[22:08] <bluesabre> Discussion
[22:08] <bluesabre> so one sec
[22:09] <bluesabre> #info Roadmap (all blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-roadmap)
[22:09] <bluesabre> Anything else we want to #info?
[22:10] <bluesabre> (for announcements)?
[22:10] <flocculant> not from me :D
[22:10] <ochosi> me neither
[22:10] <slickymaster> nothing here also
[22:11] <bluesabre> Allllrighty, onwards :)
[22:11] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[22:11] <flocculant> soory ;)
[22:12] <bluesabre> We'll move things around a bit
[22:12] <ochosi> i vaguely remember we've been there before with 4.12
[22:12] <bluesabre> #subtopic Xfce 4.13/4.14
[22:12] <flocculant> I'll wait now - but I have points here
[22:12] <bluesabre> Agreed that 4.13 is development and we definitely don't want a lot of dev-y things in there
[22:13] <bluesabre> But I also think there are some things that are more stable now than in the 4.12 branch
[22:13] <bluesabre> Thunar was *stable* and a nightmare
[22:13] <Unit193> We're Ubuntu based, means we have PPAs.  Lets use them, then we can have updates all cycle and not be stuck with 4.13.2 when 4.13.6 was released months ago.
[22:13] <flocculant> point
[22:13] <ochosi> yeah, PPAs make a lot of sense
[22:13] <slickymaster> yep
[22:14] <flocculant> do we have somewhere we can 'point' and call that IT
[22:14] <Unit193> Thunar has out of tree plugins, the new version has no capability for them.  It's also at this point something that "if it works, don't touch it" in my mind. :D
[22:14] <bluesabre> Yes, Thunar was the extreme example, I don't want the dev version :D
[22:14] <ochosi> i also agree with bluesabre, some things are more stable/maintained in the devel cycle. plus it's quite hard to really fully assess the stability of the components
[22:14] <flocculant> can we just now chuck in gtk3
[22:15] <bluesabre> At the same time, we also already have some gtk3 components that are dev-level
[22:15] <Unit193> Yeeah..
[22:15] <flocculant> what do we have there we can use and force through ppa?
[22:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: As a slight reminder, don't touch libxfce4ui.
[22:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure thing
[22:16] <flocculant> can I just make an important point - especially from 'out' view
[22:16] <bluesabre> flocculant: We have our ~xubuntu-dev PPAs which are about as official as we want to get
[22:16] <bluesabre> -staging can be a safe place to land bug fixes before they land in SRUs
[22:16] <flocculant> what are we talking about that we expect tobe gtk3 in 18.04
[22:17] <bluesabre> That's what this discussion is about :D
[22:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: cabn we ignore ppa ftm
[22:17] <bluesabre> Yes.
[22:17] <flocculant> yea yea - so what?
[22:17] <bluesabre> So focusing...
[22:17] <flocculant> give me a list :D
[22:17] <Unit193> Panel plugins are generally low impact.
[22:18] <bluesabre> And we already have most of them
[22:18] <bluesabre> xfce4-notifyd is stable now
[22:18] <flocculant> pa for the most part is drop in
[22:18] <bluesabre> yes
[22:19] <bluesabre> and moreso soon
[22:19] <flocculant> :)
[22:19] <bluesabre> exo is stable
[22:20] <bluesabre> xfce4-settings is dev, but stable (haven't heard otherwise), but probably going to hold until the rest of xfce core is ready
[22:20] <ochosi> xfpm will get another release
[22:20] <ochosi> and is also stable
[22:20] <flocculant> what I would like to do for testing this stuff is quit4e simple, run artful - add this ppa
[22:20] <bluesabre> Right
[22:21] <flocculant> can we do that?
[22:21] <bluesabre> Want to nail down what we want before I start uploading to a PPA
[22:21] <bluesabre> and to the archive
[22:21] <bluesabre> Might be a discussion that goes for a few days
[22:21] <flocculant> that's you're calls
[22:21] <ochosi> yeah, i'd say we should first get the list
[22:21] <flocculant> nd that's fine
[22:21] <flocculant> a
[22:22] <bluesabre> But definitely glad to start the discussion
[22:22] <flocculant> I want to be able to say run artful - add this ppa
[22:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, and we will have that
[22:22] <flocculant> cool
[22:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: we could have two "levels" of PPAs for artful
[22:22] <ochosi> so we can start with 2 lists
[22:22] <flocculant> if qa has that then we can push forward
[22:23] <Unit193> I've been pushing everything to xfce4-gtk3.
[22:23] <ochosi> one that we're confident about, a second one that we're less confident about
[22:23] <bluesabre> or we don't push for the things we don't trust
[22:23] <flocculant> Unit193: a weeklyish of numbers on that ppa would be helpful
[22:23] <ochosi> yeah, but the whole "trust" thing is tricky
[22:24] <Unit193> ochosi: +1
[22:24] <Unit193> I don't trust xfpm past 1.4.4 :3
[22:24] <ochosi> why's that?
[22:24] <bluesabre> so we could possibly have xubuntu-dev/stable and xubuntu-dev/experimental if we want to go that route
[22:24] <flocculant> qa position is simple - we'll test - if we have #'s thats great
[22:24] <flocculant> point
[22:24] <ochosi> yeah, something like that
[22:24] <Unit193> Tried it out, didn't exactly go so well, reverted.
[22:25] <flocculant> important point
[22:25]  * flocculant waits
[22:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts on the 2-ppa system?
[22:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: Eg, I always push to experimental, wait for someone to tell me to copy over?
[22:26] <flocculant> #if 'we' have some clue as to something that might land in ppa which could kill everything off - we can use the tracker to point testers to it
[22:26] <flocculant> eg
[22:26] <bluesabre> primary target those who want to test things for us
[22:26] <flocculant> DON@T UOGRADE warning :p
[22:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: I kind of need something to guide me so I don't go "Oh new $package, uhh...Where the heck does this go?  No clue, I'll just pop it in my repo for now." and forget.
[22:27] <flocculant> but that takes some communication - whiche even though we're hours apart we're quite good at
[22:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, I think that's a good idea. experimental can be a landing place for all those
[22:28] <ochosi> i think everything can go to experimental
[22:28] <flocculant> my position is a single ppa if poss
[22:28] <flocculant> ochosi: ack
[22:28] <ochosi> and the things that are on our whitelist for bionic go to staging
[22:28] <flocculant> dev'y peeps
[22:29] <bluesabre> flocculant: the stable ppa would be the way to go for that, and we can have specific calls for testing for items in exp if needed
[22:29] <ochosi> another trivial one is xfce4-volume-pulse. i ported it recently
[22:29] <flocculant> can we not point people to experimental and stagin?
[22:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: surely we need them to do 'breaky' stuff?
[22:30] <flocculant> ppa-purge always worked for me
[22:30] <flocculant> mmm
[22:30] <Unit193> ochosi: I've seen it, but in light of pa-plug does it matter?  I'm presuming it doesn't do alsa, so you'd not be able to do volumeicon-alsa+xfce4-volumed anymore? :P
[22:30] <ochosi> true
[22:30] <bluesabre> flocculant: for staging/exp, we can do the same as we do for SRUs, add -proposed, install the package, remove -proposed
[22:30] <flocculant> could we not
[22:31] <bluesabre> If we keep the processes the same, it's easier for contributors coming from anywhere in ubuntu
[22:31] <flocculant> stuff we really want = staging, not too sure = exp ?
[22:31] <ochosi> yup, that would be my thought
[22:31] <flocculant> I'd love to make it simple for testers
[22:31] <bluesabre> -staging is for updates we plan to land in the archive soon
[22:31] <flocculant> and then it's simpler for us
[22:31] <bluesabre> usually for already released series
[22:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - so add a ppa?
[22:32] <bluesabre> But glad to do what we can to help qa
[22:32] <flocculant> dude
[22:32] <flocculant> we'll test what you give us :)
[22:32] <bluesabre> (sorry, everybody is really rapid fire right now)
[22:32] <flocculant> ye
[22:32] <flocculant> a
[22:33] <bluesabre> Not used to having meetings with multiple attendees :D
[22:33] <flocculant> take 5
[22:33] <flocculant> catch up on consensus
[22:33] <flocculant> :)
[22:33] <ochosi> should we start a piratepad for the two lists of components though?
[22:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds good to me, want to start that?
[22:33] <flocculant> ochosi: ie staging and defintes?
[22:33] <ochosi> i mean we can do that in parallel to this meeting and keep it open
[22:33] <ochosi> flocculant: yup
[22:33] <flocculant> also
[22:34] <flocculant> what xfce possibles do we want to have - and are they stable enough?
[22:35] <flocculant> is the other one
[22:35] <ochosi> http://pad.ubuntu.com/PyIIYsyIfn
[22:35] <Unit193> What I'm reading here: "There will be multiple PPAs, for different things due to different levels of desire and testing needs." and what I'm interpreting that as: "Unit193 will always upload to experimental, people can copy over what's needed" :P
[22:35] <Unit193> ochosi: That's not a piratepad, fyi.
[22:36] <ochosi> potato potato
[22:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes. experimental where all packages can land
[22:37] <Unit193> I can live with that.
[22:37] <Unit193> I can also point my package tracker thingy at it.
[22:37] <bluesabre> and stable where approved (we will ship in bionic/oldstable) packages will be copied to when approved
[22:39] <bluesabre> Good to have that agreed on
[22:40] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to create "stable" and "experimental" PPAs
[22:40] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to create "stable" and "experimental" PPAs
[22:40] <Unit193> Basically, as long as we don't confuse flocculant or Unit193, we're good!
[22:40] <Unit193> What happens with xfce4-gtk3?
[22:40] <bluesabre> Yup
[22:40] <bluesabre> I'm not sure yet what we do with our existing PPAs
[22:40] <flocculant> Unit193: :)
[22:41] <bluesabre> I think -gtk3 still has a purpose, staging may no longer with stable
[22:41] <Unit193> flocculant: Also, whatever you want from me, please ask.  I'm generally accommodating enough, but I can't read minds. :3
[22:42] <bluesabre> :)
[22:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: -staging was pre-SRU stuff, xfce4-gtk3 is what experimental sounds like.
[22:42] <flocculant> bluesabre: can we back set 'fairl unused ppa's to artful' assuming then that someone like me would just sety it to Steve Majors?
[22:42] <flocculant> if I wanted to
[22:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: I really have no idea what that sentence means
[22:43] <flocculant> so all our 'we want this stuff tested' was at right version
[22:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: Steve Majors was the 6 Million Dollar Man
[22:44] <bluesabre> flocculant: I know what that is, but nothing more :D
[22:44] <flocculant> oic failr  - fairly unused
[22:45] <bluesabre> We'll have the new PPAs only running artful and bionic, and will drop a when c starts
[22:45] <flocculant> so - I'd move to bionic cos I update daily - not monthly
[22:45] <bluesabre> So we have everything running the env we want
[22:45] <flocculant> k - I think that's the same thing :D
[22:45] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think we can drop the -gtk3 ppa in favor of experimental then
[22:46] <flocculant> yea
[22:46] <flocculant> that's my position
[22:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: you want the task to decomm that PPA (after copying over)?
[22:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: I can do that, if you put it as blocked by yours.
[22:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: certainly :)
[22:47] <bluesabre> #action Unit193 to decommission the xfce4-gtk3 ppa in favor of experimental
[22:47] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to decommission the xfce4-gtk3 ppa in favor of experimental
[22:47] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 ochosi - what I would like from qa pov - is anything that's likely 18.04 bound in one place
[22:48] <flocculant> if themesis a pain - then I'll make 1 exception :D
[22:48] <bluesabre> That's where we're heading with this plan :)
[22:48] <flocculant> I thought so :D
[22:49] <flocculant> I just ned something concretish to tell peopl
[22:49] <flocculant> e
[22:49] <flocculant> or akxwi-dave does - cos all tasks :p
[22:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll also add a new template for xfpanel-switch to grab our new panel plugins to make it easier for artful users to get set up
[22:49] <ochosi> noice
[22:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: you wanto hold fire there
[22:50] <flocculant> cos defaults ....
[22:50] <bluesabre> Yeah, we can't replace panel defaults in an already created session, so that's the next best thing for the panel
[22:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: but we can have new defaults? or the whole world is on dos6 :D
[22:51] <flocculant> if only
[22:52] <ochosi> could ask testers to create new sessions too, if it's not just about panel settings
[22:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:52] <ochosi> s/sessions/accounts/
[22:52] <flocculant> xubuntu council - I would like us to loom at defaults
[22:52] <flocculant> bah
[22:52] <flocculant> s/loom/look
[22:53] <bluesabre> technically we have new defaults available in the daily ppa and can land them in exp/stable when we make them
[22:53] <flocculant> yea but testing
[22:53] <flocculant> we've already had 2 weeks of the time we never get :D
[22:54] <bluesabre> I'm not sure what the question is :D
[22:54] <Unit193> Log out, flip to TTY, rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml then log back in.
[22:54] <flocculant> anyway - point was leave defaults till that discussion
[22:54] <flocculant> bluesabre: ^^
[22:54] <bluesabre> gotcha
[22:54] <Unit193> Right, and here's where the daily PPA is nice, so as not to confuse with experimental.
[22:54] <flocculant> yea
[22:54] <flocculant> I think we need 2 for sure
[22:55] <flocculant> definites/mm reallys
[22:55] <flocculant> whichever way we look - we've got freezes to work with
[22:56] <bluesabre> Yep
[22:56] <flocculant> MY point is that - if we've got less ppa's to get people loooking
[22:56] <flocculant> tghen we tghen arrow in on issues
[22:56] <bluesabre> Correct
[22:57] <bluesabre> And we don't miss things by running things that won't be included in bionic
[22:57] <bluesabre> like all the -gtk3 bits of xfce
[22:57] <flocculant> rather than me seeing something on ppa785 and akxwi-dave seeing the sqame thing on 364 - but same package
[22:57] <bluesabre> Yup
[22:58] <flocculant> yea cool
[22:58] <bluesabre> So we'll get that straightened out quickly
[22:58] <flocculant> 2 ppa's for the whole cycle wou;ld be great for me
[22:58] <flocculant> people ppa
[22:58] <flocculant> kev ppa
[22:58] <bluesabre> And we'll work on the list for the next few days
[22:58] <ochosi> yup
[22:58] <flocculant> type thing
[22:58] <bluesabre> Anything else we want to discuss?
[22:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: this is topic 1 :S
[22:59] <bluesabre> Concerns, team deadlines, etc?
[22:59] <ochosi> from my side that's the main part
[22:59] <Unit193> Q: ...Does that mean we'll have to put daily builds in experimental? :/
[22:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think daily should stay in daily
[22:59] <flocculant> goodgood job it's one topic :D
[22:59] <Unit193> Good, I don't want those. :3
[22:59] <bluesabre> They might be months away from any release
[23:00] <flocculant> oh what
[23:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: The topics I had were Dev/QA Coordination, Artful -> Bionic testing PPAs, Package updates: Xfce 4.14 components, PulseAudio Plugin, StatusNotifier Plugin ... and we've smashed them all together :D
[23:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: the daily things
[23:01] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre, ochosi, and Unit193 to review xfce component list for stable/experimental
[23:01] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre, ochosi, and Unit193 to review xfce component list for stable/experimental
[23:01] <flocculant> ththatbah
[23:02] <flocculant> sao
[23:02] <bluesabre> Just so we have it on the todo
[23:02] <flocculant> terminal in bionic hangs and kills irssi
[23:02] <flocculant> seemingly :p
[23:02] <bluesabre> :)
[23:03] <bluesabre> Anything else?
[23:03] <flocculant> cos oh what - was me doing an 0_0
[23:03] <bluesabre> :D
[23:03] <flocculant> nee to think there - not meeting thing, just you 2 and qa
[23:04] <flocculant> s/nee/need
[23:04] <ochosi> i'll need to leave quite soonish
[23:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: Sidebar after meeting?
[23:04] <ochosi> anything else i can contribute to tonight?
[23:05] <flocculant> ochosi: just quickly
[23:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure thing
[23:06] <flocculant> ochosi: I notice that shimmer stuff comes through rapid - and I kind of know to go look at changelog and ignore 'translation' but how would berty using the ppa have a clue?
[23:07] <ochosi> you mean the shimmer PPA?
[23:07] <flocculant> everyone needs to obviously be aware that berty is just some person - for the logs
[23:07] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[23:08] <ochosi> tbh i'm not even sure anymore what's inside these days, i build everything from git...
[23:08] <bluesabre> Those are daily builds, so not much can be determined just by the package
[23:08] <ochosi> icon theme and greybird?
[23:08] <ochosi> or more?
[23:08] <flocculant> I also see words in xfce-dev about ignore anything languagishy
[23:08] <ochosi> yeah, we discussed ignoring it in the git log on the web frontend
[23:08] <flocculant> as it stands
[23:09] <ochosi> anything else will be hard/impossible/meaningless
[23:09] <flocculant> non-ppa - check changelog - some words
[23:09] <ochosi> for greybird there can be needed changes, but we can try to push them through the new PPAs instead of the shimmer PPA
[23:10] <ochosi> and the icon theme should come through xubuntu-artwork anyhow
[23:10] <flocculant> ppa- check changelog - ha ha ha ha ha ha - do what buddy, do one, no information her
[23:10] <flocculant> e
[23:10] <flocculant> I know - I'll go off if I care and find it
[23:10] <bluesabre> I would just look at the release pages to see what's new, https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases, https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases, not a ton of activity on either besides fixes
[23:11] <ochosi> exactly
[23:11] <bluesabre> We can probably add links to the PPAs for things that are less clear (like artwork)
[23:11] <ochosi> i try to write meaningful release messages though
[23:11] <ochosi> so all changes should be reflected there in a "management summary"
[23:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: that works for you beCAUSE YOU KNOW git
[23:11] <flocculant> sorry for odd caps
[23:11] <bluesabre> flocculant: that's not gitty, it's paragraphy :D
[23:11] <flocculant> :d
[23:11] <ochosi> this is really a *management* summary
[23:12] <ochosi> anyone can read and understand
[23:12] <ochosi> and if you don't know what certain widgets are, it'll be hard to explain in text anyway..
[23:12] <ochosi> at least you can google with those release notes
[23:12] <flocculant> I always end up at some random lp page log knowing that a + is soimething added and a - is a loss
[23:13] <flocculant> and that mostly all the shimmer stuff is + random language - random langauge
[23:14] <bluesabre> yeah, stay away from the commits :)
[23:14] <bluesabre> it's not meant to be understandable
[23:14] <flocculant> omg the Sapnish guy forgot the word for toilet - never mind someone will remember in the end
[23:14] <ochosi> the two links above don't go to commits (if you haven't clicked yet)
[23:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack - but only way to see ppa changes :D
[23:15] <ochosi> yeah, that's a feature request for PPAs :)
[23:15] <bluesabre> flocculant: right, but there is nothing we can do with that, lp limitation
[23:15]  * bluesabre shrugs
[23:15] <bluesabre> Anything else?
[23:17] <Unit193> I think my stuff is after-meeting?  Not entirely sure.
[23:17] <bluesabre> Uploads?
[23:17] <Unit193> Varies.
[23:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - understood that :p
[23:18] <bluesabre> We can just do it after then :)
[23:18] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[23:18] <ochosi> ok, if there's nothing else where you need my direct input i'll be on my way
[23:18] <flocculant> nothing more here
[23:18] <bluesabre> pleia2: sorry for stealing you meeting slot...
[23:18] <bluesabre> #action pleia2 to schedule next meeting
[23:18] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to schedule next meeting
[23:18] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[23:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Oct 27 23:18:58 2017 UTC.
[23:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2017/xubuntu-devel.2017-10-27-22.01.moin.txt
[23:19] <bluesabre> Thanks all
[23:19] <bluesabre> Good discussion!
[23:19] <bluesabre> :D
[23:19] <Unit193> G'night, people going to sleep!
[23:19] <Unit193> bluesabre:
[23:19] <Unit193> Sync'd xfce4-clipman-plugin, xfce4-diskperf-plugin, xfce4-mount-plugin, and xfce4-weather-plugin from Debian.
[23:19] <Unit193> We've already got..0.11.5? of exo, so I guess we'll roll development on that.  Pull in new garcon?  Is it stable?  We're already rolling development on libxfce4ui, but it's not really changed a whole lot since it supports gtk2/gtk3 and has been since prior releases.
[23:19] <Unit193> sn-plug I'm all for, been using it since shortly after it came out.  It only specifically replaces indicator-application though.  Is there any specific config we'd like to use with this?
[23:19] <Unit193> pa-plug I personally haven't been using, but this would replace indicator-sound and xfce4-volumed.  This leaves us with indicator-messages in xfce4-indicator-plugin.
[23:19] <Unit193> Now in regards to the package tracker thingy dohicky.  It currently tracks Debian/Xubuntu, Xubuntu-staging/artful, and Xfce4-gtk3/artful PPAs.  Am I the only one that uses this?  Not a problem if I am, mind you.
[23:19] <Unit193> I'd also ask about indicators, specifically in regards to the namespacing and such, but I don't think anyone else knows more either.  I'm kind of upstreamish in Debian, so I suppose technically I should try to answer, but I don't know everything.  I don't know specifically where Ubuntu stands on this.  indicator-sound is the Ubuntu one, ayatana-indicator-sound is Debian's, etc.
[23:19] <Unit193> And, have I convinced any Xubuntu assets to migrate to Launchpad's git this cycle? :3
[23:19] <Unit193> I don't think I want to mention Xubuntu Core, I wince when I see it listed in the blueprint.
[23:20]  * bluesabre is overwhelmed
[23:20] <Unit193> Sorry. :3
[23:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: Great on the syncs!
[23:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: re: libxfce4ui, what's the blocker on it currently?
[23:24] <ochosi> i think it needs a release
[23:24] <ochosi> that's the blocker
[23:24] <ochosi> eric already pushed the fix for the showstopperish issue that was lingering inside (if i'm not mistaken)
[23:25] <Unit193> ochosi is correct, the current version causes all sorts of issues.  We don't want that.
[23:25] <ochosi> i can easily release a new version though
[23:25] <ochosi> not tonight, but tomorrow
[23:25] <Unit193> ochosi: That last patch is incomplete, though.
[23:26] <ochosi> hrm
[23:26] <Unit193> (Easily fixed.)
[23:26] <bluesabre> Gotcha, so if we get a good release (fully fixed and patched) we can push it to exp and then maybe stable later
[23:26] <ochosi> yeah, then let's get it fixed and released tomorrow
[23:26] <bluesabre> garcon is fine for exp for now
[23:26] <ochosi> i looked into the abyss a little with xfpm today, it needs a lot of code cleanup (@bluesabre: still remember parole from back in the day..?)
[23:27] <ochosi> but functionally it is ok
[23:27] <ochosi> only tried to get rid of some notification code
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Right, but it's already there so I'm talking Bionic.
[23:27] <ochosi> that'll take a bit longer, but i think it'll be a nice improvement over 1.4.4
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: sn-plug,  symbolic icons and menu primary seem like good defaults
[23:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool
[23:28] <ochosi> for missing symbolic icons please submit issues on github, i'll add them to elementary-xfce where needed
[23:28] <bluesabre> I think it falls back gracefully
[23:28] <bluesabre> but yeah
[23:29] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[23:29] <ochosi> still
[23:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: pa-plug will be getting some more tweaks soon to bring it up and past ind-sound, hopefully will convert you ;)
[23:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: I forgot about the package tracker, but did use it back in the day
[23:30] <bluesabre> And this should be an active cycle, so I expect that it will be handy again
[23:33] <bluesabre> Unit193: re: indicators, any idea if there are plans to pull the ayatana ones back into ubuntu (and replace the existing with transition packages)? I'd imagine there's actually bugs being fixed in ayatana land
[23:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: No clue in regards to Ubuntu, no.  There's no transitional packages/symlinks so far though.
[23:34] <Unit193> xfce4-indicator-plugin in Debian uses ayatana now though.
[23:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: any pain associated with moving projects from bzr to git in lp? git's got a bit more oomph and flexibility
[23:35] <bluesabre> Neat
[23:35] <Unit193> I'm not entirely sure how well the seed would handle it, but the only thing is bug metadata.
[23:35] <ochosi> one thing to keep in mind with sni plugin is LTS upgrades
[23:35] <ochosi> (and now i'm really out)
[23:36] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[23:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: that could be reason enough to maybe only do the things that have bug tracking disabled for now
[23:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: and for core/base, was thinking I might take a look at them and refresh the packages
[23:37] <bluesabre> and we can have knome do the poking
[23:37] <bluesabre> Fun cycle ahead :)
[23:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: By that I mean if someone used bzr commit --fixes=174562  then that's lost, but otherwise painless.
[23:38] <bluesabre> oh
[23:38] <bluesabre> That's pretty painless then
[23:38] <bluesabre> I've never used that
[23:38] <bluesabre> :D
[23:38] <bluesabre> Didn't know it existed
[23:39] <bluesabre> Thanks for all the feedback Unit193 :)
[23:40] <bluesabre> Going to go grab dinner now, will update the meeting notes tonight
[23:40] <bluesabre> bbl
[23:43] <Unit193> http://piratepad.net/xubuntu-dev so that's what I'm reading as responses.


[06:15] <Kilos> morning all
[06:29] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> hiya SilverCode
[08:06] <theblazehen> hi SilverCode
[08:12] <Kilos> theblazehen, whats a lisp
[08:12] <Kilos> explain in old peeps english
[08:13] <theblazehen> Kilos: programming language, once used for AI
[08:13] <theblazehen> Is said to be a very "eegant
[08:13] <theblazehen> elegant* language
[08:14] <Kilos> AI=artificial intelligence
[08:14] <theblazehen> yeah
[08:14] <Kilos> intelligense
[08:14] <Kilos> ai!
[08:14] <Kilos> ty
[08:14] <theblazehen> intelligence* not intelligense
[08:15] <Kilos> oh it was right
[08:16] <theblazehen> yep]
[08:45] <Kilos> ai! what a schlep, i joined hi5 years ago to chat to someone for a week and now i keep getting emails so+so has bought your pet for so much, and i cant find how to delete the account
[08:45] <Kilos> http://www.accountkiller.com/en/delete-hi5-account
[08:45] <Kilos> i looked there but nowhere do i see delete or close
[08:45] <Kilos> grrrr
[09:03] <charl_> good morning
[09:03] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:03] <Kilos> hi charl_
[09:07] <charl_> hi Kilos
[09:07] <charl_> how's it going
[09:07] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[09:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:10] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:10] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[09:11] <charl_> Kilos: i'm good
[09:11] <charl_> just trying to wake up :)
[09:50] <charl_> whow there were a lot of ubuntu updates recently
[09:54] <charl_> seems like i got a kind of attack on my mail server during the early morning hours http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074167/
[09:56] <theblazehen> charl_: you run a mail server?
[09:57] <charl_> theblazehen: yes, for myself
[09:57] <theblazehen> nice. how much ram minimum?
[09:57] <charl_> i run it on a vps at hetzner with 512mb
[09:57] <theblazehen> I also want one...
[09:57] <charl_> for a mail server you need practically nothing
[09:57] <theblazehen> charl_: Got a good guide?
[09:57] <theblazehen> I never managed to get one working
[09:58] <charl_> apt-get install postfix ? :)
[09:58] <charl_> i have no idea, maybe there are some guides if you search online
[09:58] <charl_> i have been running mail servers for almost 10 years
[09:58] <theblazehen> ty
[09:58] <theblazehen> is that what you did?
[09:58] <charl_> i just installed mutt which automatically installs postfix
[09:59] <theblazehen> and will that give you imap access?
[09:59] <charl_> left everything at the default configuration but make sure your /etc/hostname is set to a FQDN
[09:59] <theblazehen> ah ok
[09:59] <charl_> no
[09:59] <theblazehen> ty
[09:59] <charl_> it's not an imap server it's an smtp server
[09:59] <charl_> mutt reads the mail from the local mail file
[09:59] <theblazehen> ok. How do i get imap then?
[09:59] <charl_> for me it's /var/mail/charl
[10:00] <charl_> many years ago i experimented with dovecot
[10:00] <theblazehen> ah ok
[10:00] <charl_> but that didn't look like a really good server
[10:00] <theblazehen> kk
[10:00] <charl_> at a company i was working we ran exim
[10:00] <theblazehen> ah
[10:00] <charl_> much more solid mail server
[10:00] <theblazehen> ty
[10:00] <charl_> i don't like throwing open unnecessary ports so i try to keep that to a minimum
[10:00] <theblazehen> yeah
[10:00] <charl_> smtp i have no choice and postfix seems pretty solid
[10:01] <theblazehen> ok
[10:02] <charl_> today i'm going to try and get prosody running again
[10:03] <charl_> 0.8 looked pretty good but didn't support ipv6 and i want all services running on my vps to be fully dual-stack
[10:03] <charl_> so i ended up waiting until 0.9 was released which it has now been for a few weeks
[10:05] <charl_> figured out i could configure mutt to read mail from imap at work a couple of months back, works really nicely
[10:16] <theblazehen> ah ty charl_
[10:17] <theblazehen> I'll give it a try again, but if I don't get it right, mind helping?
[10:19] <charl_> theblazehen: sure ping me if you get stuck
[10:19] <theblazehen> ty
[10:19] <charl_> although i can't be of much use when it comes to imap, just postfix + mutt
[10:19] <theblazehen> kk
[12:16] <charl_> south africa is in the world-wide trends on twitter right now
[12:17] <charl_> seems to have something to do with rugby though
[12:17] <theblazehen> wow
[12:18] <charl_> look on any twitter profile page in the worldwide trends box on the left
[12:24] <Kilos> boks just beat aus
[12:24] <Kilos> 38/12
[12:25] <charl_> i have no idea about rugby but i assume it was a big victory
[12:26] <charl_> with that score 38 > 12*3
[12:26] <Kilos> yeah first time we beat them in brisbane
[12:26] <charl_> oh in their own country?
[12:26] <charl_> very nice
[12:26] <charl_> pwned :P
[12:26] <Kilos> tara is extatic
[12:26] <charl_> we don't really have rugby in europe, only soccer
[12:27] <Kilos> however you spell that
[12:27] <Kilos> ecstatic
[12:27] <Kilos> whew
[12:27] <Kilos> whatever
[12:27] <charl_> :)
[13:49] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[13:53] <theblazehen> hey Vince-0!
[13:58] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[14:10] <kbmonkey> hello 0/
[14:10] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, apologies I was offline, thanks for all the pings ;)
[14:12] <Vince-0> haai
[14:14] <kbmonkey> I love my new GNU + Linux inside sticker
[14:15] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Nice :)
[14:15] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[14:16] <kbmonkey> hello meneer Kilos
[14:17] <Kilos> did you guys enjoy rms
[14:17] <charl_> hey when is the video coming
[14:17] <charl_> i will keep nagging until i get it :)
[14:18] <charl_> video or it didn't happen :P
[14:19] <theblazehen> charl_: I'm also nagging... Still not happening
[14:19] <theblazehen> Nag directly<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:19] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos very much
[14:20] <Kilos> we got some funnies joined studies, they talk funny stuffs
[14:20] <theblazehen> lol Kilos
[14:20] <Kilos> hehe
[14:23] <theblazehen> Kilos: Do you approve of " funny stuffs" ?
[14:23] <kbmonkey> like jokes?
[14:23] <Kilos> yeah but would be better if i could understand it
[14:23] <Kilos> no man AI stuffs
[14:23] <Kilos> with lisp
[14:24] <kbmonkey> oh cool
[14:24] <theblazehen> :D
[14:25] <kbmonkey> who is doing lisp?
[14:25] <theblazehen> cdh473
[14:25] <theblazehen> Was talking about lisp machines
[14:27] <Kilos> i need some AI to replace mine
[14:27] <theblazehen> lol Kilos
[14:28] <kbmonkey> haha
[14:28] <charl_> smokestorm ?!
[14:28] <charl_> lol who is that
[14:28] <Kilos> oh that command didnt replace defaults enough to show the panel in kde
[14:28] <theblazehen> charl_: other friend
[14:28] <charl_> ok
[14:29] <theblazehen> charl_: one who recorded RMS
[14:29] <charl_> ah cool
[14:57] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:58] <charl_> hi magespawn
[15:01] <magespawn> i missed last night
[15:01] <magespawn> got a bit caught up in the school AGM
[15:14] <magespawn> I see there was a fair amount of activity
[15:18] <theblazehen> Anyone need something done in python?
[15:20] <charl_> theblazehen: how deo you mean?
[15:21] <theblazehen> I'm not doing anything much tomorrow, and I have SSH to a VPS, so I wanna code some python
[15:23] <Kilos> hehe teach an ibid to braai steak
[15:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:23] <theblazehen> Kilos: sure
[15:29] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[15:54] <charl_> theblazehen: i'm currently looking at this https://github.com/erindru/m2t
[15:54] <charl_> theblazehen: in relation to this: http://www.openseedbox.com/
[15:54] <charl_> theblazehen: in particular, this: https://github.com/erindru/m2t/blob/master/m2t/scraper.py
[15:55] <theblazehen> ok
[15:55] <theblazehen> check it now
[15:55] <charl_> there is some more info here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1680209/how-to-calculate-the-scrape-url-for-a-torrent
[15:55] <charl_> the spec: https://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_.27scrape.27_Convention
[15:55] <Kilos> charl_, dont mess his brain now hes busy looking at ibid
[15:56] <charl_> heh
[15:57] <theblazehen> charl_: yeah?
[15:59] <charl_> what i was thinking is it would be handy to be able to search for torrents via irc
[15:59] <charl_> display the magnet link together with the seeders/leechers
[15:59] <charl_> and total downloaders
[15:59] <theblazehen> charl: good idea!
[16:00] <charl_> and by torrents i mean legal torrents, that is not of particular concern to me
[16:00] <theblazehen> Kilos: don't really feel like installing all the ibid dependencies on my system :/
[16:00] <theblazehen> charl_: lol :p
[16:00] <Kilos> haha
[16:01] <charl_> theblazehen: have you tried virtualenv?
[16:01] <theblazehen> charl_: nope
[16:01] <charl_> then you don't have to clutter your system with dependencies
[16:02] <charl_> create a virtual environment and destroy it later
[16:02] <charl_> http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/
[16:02] <theblazehen> charl_: will it even work for pacman? (arch linux package manager)
[16:02] <theblazehen> Why not normal chroot anyway?
[16:02] <charl_> that i don't know
[16:03] <Kilos> you clever peeps tell me what dependancies and packages must be installed on kde for the konsole to work/show
[16:04] <Kilos> weve removed something
[16:04] <Kilos> not konsole the panel with launcher sorry
[16:05] <charl_> sorry no idea
[16:05] <charl_> i just installed kubuntu-desktop and everything got automatically installed with it
[16:05] <Kilos> there is surely a command that can show what all the panel needs
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah thats the prob
[16:05] <Kilos> i have to find them manually nmow
[16:05] <Kilos> now
[16:06] <Kilos> ians kde works but no panel and everything else works from konsole
[16:22] <Kilos> what will this command do please
[16:22] <Kilos> sudo ./install
[16:22] <charl_> that depends on what you are trying to install
[16:22] <charl_> the usual combination is ./configure make and make install
[16:23] <Kilos> oh its not everything in root install
[16:23] <charl_> this looks like something else
[16:23] <magespawn> Kilos: if you 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop' it should reinstall the desktop, but should only need to download the missing software
[16:23] <charl_> this will execute the install script in your current working directory
[16:23] <Kilos> im trying to get his basic install reinstalled so panel comes back
[16:23] <Kilos> i think ive tried that magespawn
[16:24] <charl_> if it gets missing somehow it won't help to try and reinstall it
[16:24] <charl_> unless you first remove everything but i'm still not sure
[16:24] <charl_> Kilos: how did it go missing?
[16:25] <charl_> isn't it already installed but the panel just got removed off the desktop somehow?
[16:25] <charl_> i think if you right-click on the desktop there should be a menu allowing you to add the default panel back
[16:25] <Kilos> he was banned from freenode because of open proxy thing so i got himn to remove samba and havp
[16:25] <Kilos> and i dunno what else
[16:25] <charl_> i don't know what havp is
[16:25] <Kilos> it doesnt show add panel
[16:26] <charl_> very hard to say
[16:26] <Kilos> some proxy thing
[16:26] <charl_> if you removed a package that kubuntu-desktop depends on then kubuntu-desktop itself will also have been uninstalled
[16:26] <Kilos> its something we removed
[16:26] <charl_> i don't see how this would affect the desktop
[16:27] <Kilos> he has the normal screen view but no panel or launcher
[16:27] <charl_> and you can't add a new panel? bizarre
[16:27] <inetpro> ai!
[16:27] <inetpro> good evening
[16:27] <inetpro> Kilos: are we still on that?
[16:28] <charl_> hi inetpro
[16:28] <charl_> how's it going
[16:28] <inetpro> hi charl_
[16:28] <Kilos> hi inetpro yeah
[16:28] <inetpro> good and yourself, nice and warm in Pretoria today
[16:28] <Kilos> yeah
[16:28] <Kilos> much better
[16:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you didn't follow my advice?
[16:29] <inetpro> Kilos: create another user
[16:29] <Kilos> hmm... what didnt i follow
[16:29] <Kilos> oh i mailed him to try that but havent had feedback on if he did
[16:29] <Kilos> lemme try get him
[16:31] <theblazehen> inetpro: did you go see stallman?
[16:31] <inetpro> theblazehen: nope, unfortunately couldn't get away from my work
[16:32] <theblazehen> inetpro: pity :( It was great
[16:33]  * inetpro hates wasting time in traffic and away from the office
[16:34] <inetpro> a video would be nice
[16:34] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[16:34] <inetpro> hello magespawn
[16:35] <magespawn> how long do you spend in traffic?
[16:36] <inetpro> magespawn: half an hour max is all I can take
[16:38] <magespawn> yup traffic is not fun, i like driving, but traffic *bleeg*
[16:38]  * inetpro enjoyed the video of Vint Cerf at Jozihub  last night
[16:39] <inetpro> that event I wouldn't mind going to
[16:39] <inetpro> rms is a bit too controversial for me
[16:41] <theblazehen> inetpro: waiting for my friend still
[16:42] <magespawn> from what i have seen his views are extreme, but he does present them and without sounding like a nutcase
[16:43] <inetpro>  Vint Cerf Fireside Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgqEMSM1Gio
[16:43] <magespawn> ty inetpro
[16:43] <inetpro> that ^^ was fun watching
[16:43] <inetpro> bit long though
[16:45]  * inetpro wbb
[17:10] <charl_> inetpro: vint cerf! url please!
[17:10] <charl_> :)
[17:12] <charl_> oh sorry only saw it now lol
[17:26] <theblazehen> OMF! Linux on my router XD
[17:32] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[17:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:33] <Kilos> inetpro, sorry he didnt try it. he forgot. gets home and sleeps. we will try tomorrow
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:33] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[17:34] <inetpro> much easier to test the basics first :-)
[17:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:36] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:37] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[17:37] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[17:37] <charl_> lol
[17:37] <inetpro> now where do we find the rusks?
[17:38] <Kilos> ask and yell be directed
[17:38] <charl_> in the oven, freshly baked
[17:38] <charl_> dried
[17:38] <Kilos> sigh
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[17:38] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[17:39] <Kilos> doop n ouma doop n ouma
[17:40] <charl_> finally starting to cool down, it was a hell hole here the last two days
[17:40] <charl_> i can breathe again :)
[17:42] <inetpro> wish I could press a button and have rusks delivered from the shop now
[17:42] <Kilos> yeah hehe
[17:43] <Kilos> soon you will be able to
[17:43] <inetpro> soon?
[17:43] <Kilos> havent they got online pizza deliveries yet
[17:43] <Kilos> everything will be done via internet
[17:44] <inetpro> Kilos: yes but it takes a while
[17:44] <Kilos> no instant food unless you have ratpacks
[17:44] <inetpro> the hyperloop is what we need to speed things up
[17:45] <inetpro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
[17:46] <Kilos> whew connected to each house
[17:46] <Kilos> no more home cooking
[17:46] <Kilos> sigh
[17:46] <inetpro> :-)
[17:56] <Kilos> i go sleep. night all you young vital peeps
[17:58] <inetpro> hmm... young vital peeps?
[18:11] <theblazehen> night Kil
[18:12] <theblazehen> I expected tab complete to work...
[18:40] <charl_> this one looks really good: http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/
[18:41] <charl_> i used to use this one instead: http://www.tornadoweb.org/en/stable/
[18:41] <theblazehen> ok...
[18:41] <charl_> the nice thing about tornado is that it was one of the first to support websockets
[18:41] <charl_> that interface is not wsgi compatible though
[18:41] <charl_> because you keep an open connection
[18:41] <theblazehen> what about pyramid?
[18:41] <theblazehen> yeah
[18:42] <charl_> oh pylons?
[18:42] <charl_> it was created by one of my former colleagues at stanford
[18:42] <theblazehen> ah nice
[18:42] <theblazehen> saw a talk at SFD
[18:44] <charl_> a guy called ben bangert
[18:44] <charl_> he was also one of the people behind lex machina
[18:44] <charl_> that's how i know him
[18:45] <charl_> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bbangert
[18:46] <theblazehen> ah ok
[18:46] <charl_> here's the history http://www.pylonsproject.org/about/history
[18:46] <charl_> the initial version was really poorly documented but the current site looks awesome
[18:46] <charl_> an extreme perfectionist that guy
[18:47] <theblazehen> ty
[18:47] <charl_> i don't understand what pyramid is though
[18:48] <superfly> it's a web framework\
[18:48] <charl_> or i mean, how it realtes to pylons, it's new
[18:48] <charl_> reading http://www.pylonsproject.org/about/history
[18:48] <charl_> i mean http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/about
[18:48] <superfly> pyramid = pylons + repoze.bfg
[18:49] <charl_> ah ok
[18:49] <superfly> pylons was a dead end in terms of architecture
[18:50] <charl_> hmmm
[18:51] <superfly> and the Pylons and the BFG teams had been interacting a lot
[18:51] <superfly> so after a beer or two they decided to merge the two projects
[18:51] <charl_> yeah why not, better software for all
[18:51] <charl_> i lost track of what has been happening to the python world, have been out of it somewhat the last few years
[18:53] <charl_> i am a big fan of tornado, was much better than the alternatives (at the time)
[18:55] <charl_> for those that read german: http://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/Python-erreicht-Spitzenwert-bei-Softwarequalitaet-1948541.html
[18:55] <charl_> a link i saw posted to #ccc on ircnet earlier
[18:55] <charl_> basically talks about how python has some of the best quality code
[18:58] <inetpro> charl_: nice link!
[19:01] <charl_> ok i'm off
[19:01] <charl_> have a good evening all
[20:53] <nuvolari> \o/
[20:53] <nuvolari> Arch Live USB install fully functional
[20:54] <nuvolari> Bought an 8Gb flash just for that today
[20:54] <nuvolari> now I need to find use for it :P
[20:55] <nuvolari> besides laying in my cubby-hole
[20:55] <nuvolari> you never know when a friend needs a resqueue
[20:55] <nuvolari> *resque
[20:57] <theblazehen> yay nuvolari!
[20:57] <theblazehen> rescue*
[21:00] <nuvolari> argh! it didn't look right :P
[21:00] <nuvolari> thanks theblazehen
[21:00] <theblazehen> Lol. Night!
[21:00] <nuvolari> night


[00:04] <march> n8
[00:08] <vidd> misterblonde2517, any luck?
[00:31] <misterblonde2517> its been going for a while now
[00:31] <misterblonde2517> its relaoding the log daemon?
[00:36] <misterblonde2517> so i think its done
[00:38] <vidd> did it bring up the prompt?
[00:38] <jbt> has anyone here, successfully using an acer 4520 for xubuntu?
[00:39] <misterblonde2517> yep
[00:40] <vidd> now type sudo reboot
[00:41] <misterblonde2517> splash... and.....
[00:41] <misterblonde2517> black
[00:41] <misterblonde2517> ughugh
[00:42] <misterblonde2517> what could it be
[00:43] <vidd> im at a loss
[00:43] <vidd> it is obvious that the window manager is the issue
[00:45] <vidd> try rebooting
[00:46] <vidd> and hit <esc> to bring up the grub menu
[00:46] <vidd> we want to bring up the recovery console
[00:47] <vidd> when you do, type sudo apt-get remove x-11 common
[00:47] <misterblonde2517> im in root, so i still type sudo?
[00:48] <vidd> oh...no
[00:48] <misterblonde2517> coulnt find package x-11
[00:49] <vidd> x11-common
[00:49] <vidd> im loosing it!
[00:53] <vidd> then do apt-get autoremove
[00:55] <misterblonde2517> kk done
[00:57] <The-Kernel> misterblonde2517 what video card do you have?
[00:57] <misterblonde2517> geforce 5500 128mb
[00:57] <misterblonde2517> in the pci slot
[00:59] <vidd> reboot and log in as usual
[00:59] <vidd> it should bring up cli
[00:59] <vidd> (without formating and re-installing
[01:02] <misterblonde2517> k im back
[01:02] <misterblonde2517> at the cli
[01:02] <vidd> type lspci
[01:03] <mikubuntu> i forgot how to do this ... downloaded flock, it went to archive manager as default, and i thought then all i had to do was 'extract' b ut that din't seem to work ... any ideas?
[01:03] <misterblonde2517> kk i did
[01:03] <vidd> misterblonde2517, post the line that looks like 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[01:06] <misterblonde2517> vga compatible controller: nVidia coporation NV34 {geforce fx 5500} (rev 11)
[01:07] <misterblonde2517> and then theres antoehr one that says intel corp 82810e dc-133 (cgc) chipset graphics controller (rev 3)
[01:07] <vidd> haha
[01:07] <vidd> i think i see the issue
[01:08] <vidd> i think the "black screen" is the desktop being directed to the OTHER adapter!
[01:08] <vidd> lets test this.....
[01:09] <misterblonde2517> *facepalm*
[01:09] <vidd> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <The-Kernel> misterblonde2517, go into your BIOS, and set PCI as the default video adapter, or disable the onboard adapter
[01:18] <misterblonde2517> ugh
[01:18] <misterblonde2517> errors were encountered while processing: dhcdbd network-manageer metwork-manager-gnome
[01:21] <vidd> misterblonde2517, sudo apt-get remove [failed programs
[01:22] <vidd> then sudo apt-get install [failed program]
[01:22] <vidd> one at a time
[01:22] <The-Kernel> um
[01:22] <The-Kernel> vidd
[01:22] <vidd> yeah?
[01:23] <The-Kernel> has anyone told you aboutthe two commands, sudo apt-get -s install and sudo apt-get -f install?
[01:23] <vidd> no
[01:23] <The-Kernel> pretty awesoem commands
[01:23] <The-Kernel> -f fixing problems
[01:23]  * vidd bows to The-Kernel 's experience
[01:23] <The-Kernel> and I have no clue what -s does
[01:23] <The-Kernel> but it also fixed some problems for me
[01:24] <crimsun> -s only simulates
[01:25] <misterblonde2517> the primary video adapter is pci
[01:25] <misterblonde2517> should i make it onboard adn try it again
[01:25] <misterblonde2517> with it int he onboard
[01:28] <misterblonde2517> yesssssssssssssssssss
[01:28] <vidd> i hate dual display adapters
[01:30] <misterblonde2517> so everything seems to work (im using the integrated graphis, im gonna switch) but i didnt fix the errors it gave me, should i worry about htat?
[01:31] <vidd> yes
[01:32] <vidd> The-Kernel, can you help misterblonde2517 with those apps that failed to install?
[01:32] <vidd> i have a party im late for
[01:32] <misterblonde2517> vidd thanks for all your help
[01:32] <vidd> gl misterblonde2517
[01:39] <neur1> recieved an update notice, but it says some of my dependencies are not mergeable so none of my update apps can open, only to the error box. what are my options
[01:52] <larson9999> how do you enable login via xdcmp in xubuntu?
[03:07] <vidd> misterblonde2517, your stuff working now?
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> heyy
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> kinda
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> it works in the on board
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> but i installed the drivers for my card
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> and rebooted
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> and now it hangs after teh splash, but it ways "*running local boot scripts*
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> (/ect/rc.local
[03:09] <misterblonde2517> any ideas?
[03:11] <misterblonde2517> i can type stuff, but it doesnt give me the name user@ anymore, its just the text i type
[03:16] <vidd> what ya need to do is tell the bios to use one display adapter or the other.....
[03:17] <vidd> is it possible to plug a monitor into each adapter at this time?
[03:18] <misterblonde2517> yea
[03:18] <misterblonde2517> theres text on teh screen tho
[03:18] <vidd> lets see if you have different output on different monitors
[03:18] <misterblonde2517> im back at the cli
[03:18] <misterblonde2517> kk
[03:19] <misterblonde2517> i have bios set to default to pci
[03:20] <misterblonde2517> pci has me at cli, mobo is giving me a black moniter
[03:20] <misterblonde2517> is there a cli command to send me to the desktop
[03:20] <vidd> there is.....put you dont have a command prompt
[03:21] <misterblonde2517> i do now
[03:21] <misterblonde2517> i sft alt f1d
[03:21] <misterblonde2517> er ctrl
[03:21] <misterblonde2517> but i jstu logged in
[03:21] <vidd> sudo /etc/gdm restart
[03:22] <misterblonde2517> it says that the command is not found
[03:23] <vidd> did you spell it right?
[03:23] <misterblonde2517> "sudo /etc/gdm restart"
[03:23] <vidd> ok
[03:24] <vidd> so it failed to install
[03:24] <misterblonde2517> it was justt working a second ago, after i restarted is when it tripped up
[03:25] <vidd> i missed a part.....
[03:25] <vidd> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:25] <vidd> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:26] <misterblonde2517> kk now the moniter is flashing
[03:26] <vidd> which one?
[03:26] <misterblonde2517> pci
[03:26] <misterblonde2517> mobo is still black
[03:26] <misterblonde2517> should i restart the computer?
[03:27] <vidd> no....go back to tty1
[03:27] <misterblonde2517> how do i do that
[03:27] <vidd> (<ctrl><alt><f1>)
[03:27] <misterblonde2517> kk
[03:27] <misterblonde2517> im there
[03:28] <vidd> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:28] <misterblonde2517> k
[03:28] <vidd> sudo dpkg --reconfgure xserver-xorg
[03:29] <vidd> yes...2 dashes there
[03:29] <misterblonde2517> k
[03:30] <vidd> the -- means a word switch follows, a single - means a letter switch is following
[03:30] <misterblonde2517> wait so i shouldnt have typed "sudo dpkg --reconfgure xserver-xorg" on one line
[03:31] <vidd> the command i gave you will allow you to set up your x server
[03:31] <vidd> you should
[03:31] <misterblonde2517> kk i did
[03:31] <vidd> i was explaining the difference between -- and -
[03:32] <vidd> you will see it alot in howto's
[03:32] <misterblonde2517> oh ok i gotcha
[03:32] <misterblonde2517> so how do i go about setting up my server
[03:32] <vidd> that command will bring up a wizard of sorts
[03:33] <vidd> just pick the correct settings
[03:33] <vidd> if you have a question about an option, just ask
[03:34] <vidd> i think the issue is that you installed the x server before you uploaded the display driver
[03:34] <misterblonde2517> im sorry im so lost, waht should i get rid of to remedy that?
[03:34] <vidd> and you changed the driver without telling the x server about it and its chocking
[03:35] <misterblonde2517> cause the command brough up 6 FAQ type things
[03:35] <misterblonde2517> but im not really changing anything
[03:35] <vidd> all we are going to change is the display adaptor
[03:36] <misterblonde2517> where is that?
[03:36] <misterblonde2517> aptitude?
[03:36] <vidd> but rather then you bringing up the config file and going blind trying to read the file to find the one line that needs to be canged.....
[03:37] <vidd> we are going to use the wizard and accept the default options until we get to the adaptor settings
[03:39] <misterblonde2517> alrighty
[03:39] <misterblonde2517> hopefully i can finish this tomrrow i have to go i was supposed to be somewhere 40 mins ago
[03:39] <misterblonde2517> unless this is quick
[03:40] <vidd> not really
[03:40] <misterblonde2517> (then again i thought the whole install would be quick when i started 10 hours ago ahah)
[03:40] <misterblonde2517> alrighty, do you think youll be around tomrrow or late tonitght?
[03:41] <vidd> might be faster to remove x11-common, then apt-get autoremove
[03:41] <vidd> then install the new drivers
[03:41] <vidd> and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <misterblonde2517> kk ill try that when i get home
[03:42] <misterblonde2517> thanks so much for your time
[03:42] <misterblonde2517> hopefully ill catch you on later
[03:42] <vidd> cuzz you installed xubuntu-desktop THEN the new drivers
[03:42] <vidd> you want to install the drivers first
[03:42] <misterblonde2517> kk, ill go back to onbard and try to do that
[03:42] <misterblonde2517> thanks again
[03:43] <kiosk> Happy New Year!
[03:43] <crimsun> same to you.
[03:44] <kiosk> What is your favorite streaming video plugin for firefox?
[03:45] <crimsun> I use whatever totem-* provide.
[03:45] <kiosk> totem-*   what's that
[03:45] <kiosk> command?
[03:45] <crimsun> no, it means either totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[03:46] <crimsun> (I use the latter)
[03:48] <kiosk> cool thank you
[03:48] <kiosk> Now to see if I can et it working before the ball drops
[03:48] <crimsun> you may wish to try either vlc's or mplayer's, however
[03:48] <kiosk> :)
[03:48] <kiosk> I saw vlc in apt-cache search
[03:59] <kiosk> crimsun: totem-xine works.  Thank you.  Happy New year!
[04:03] <crimsun> kiosk: np, you, too!
[04:13] <aswera> hi all, anyone know why the live cd is hanging when running /etc/rc.local
[04:13] <aswera> ??
[04:19] <kiosk> \leave
[04:19] <kiosk> sorry
[09:58] <nikolam> hi to all
[09:58] <nikolam> happy new year
[10:34] <soldats> to you as well
[13:26] <slow-motion> hi
[15:00] <vistakiller> happy new year
[16:35] <snuck___> hello
[16:35] <snuck___> anyone have xubuntu running on an x61t?
[18:07] <misterblonde2517> hi, would anyone be able to tell me how to install nvidia drivers from the command line interface
[18:08] <jjmiv> oh, did you try googling it?
[18:08] <jjmiv> just a thought...
[18:08] <misterblonde2517> i have been
[18:09] <misterblonde2517> but they all need me to downlaod the driver first
[18:09] <jjmiv> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[18:09] <misterblonde2517> and i dont have the desktop installed
[18:09] <jjmiv> oh...use teh WGET commdand
[18:09] <jjmiv> command*
[18:09] <misterblonde2517> so i need a cli command to get it off the interent
[18:09] <misterblonde2517> how do i do that?
[18:09] <jjmiv> to download
[18:09] <misterblonde2517> (sorry im totally new to this)
[18:09] <jjmiv> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=620116
[18:10] <jjmiv> i had a similar issue setting up my webserver with Debian
[18:11] <misterblonde2517> so i should say "sudo wget <nvidia drivers url>
[18:11] <jjmiv> yes
[18:11] <jjmiv> just make sure wget is installed first
[18:12] <jjmiv> sudo apt-cache search wget to find the right package and then 'sudo apt-get install <package>
[18:12] <jjmiv> it will tell you if it is installed, you can also see if there is a man page or something "man wget" or "wget --help"
[18:14] <misterblonde2517> k so its installed, how do i know which linux drivers i want for my card (fx 5500 pci 128mb)
[18:16] <jjmiv> just do a search for that..lets see
[18:16] <jjmiv> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[18:16] <jjmiv> just bear with me
[18:18] <jjmiv> dang, there is a lot out there
[18:18] <jjmiv> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.07.html
[18:19] <misterblonde2517> its not so much about finding the perfect one, its jsut my boot hangs after teh spalsh screen and goes black, and someone told me it was because i installed teh desktop before i installed my drivers, so to install the drivers then the desktop
[18:19] <jjmiv> that's not a bad plan, then when you set up X it will detect the right card, just make sure you don't go crazy on the resolution at first
[18:22] <misterblonde2517> im sorry im being so stupid, is it just wget <url> because that seems to get me a name of service not known error
[18:25]  * XwarlokX82 <audacious> is stopped
[18:36] <soldats> wget [url] is fine you just need the exact target address
[18:37] <misterblonde2517> so im positive its spelled correctly but it tells me name or service unkowns
[18:37] <soldats> what are you trying to get
[18:38] <misterblonde2517> nvidia drivers
[18:38] <misterblonde2517> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.07/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run
[18:39] <soldats> do you need to wget it or just trying it out
[18:39] <misterblonde2517> i need to, i dont have a desktop
[18:40] <soldats> ahh well i just downloaded it with """"wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.07/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run"""" without quotes
[18:41] <soldats> you may also type w3m in a terminal and do text based web i think you can download from there
[18:42] <misterblonde2517> hmm its stilll not working
[18:44] <misterblonde2517> i found "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common"
[18:44] <misterblonde2517> online, should that work
[18:45] <soldats> nvidia-glx-new i think is the right one
[18:45] <soldats> but yea those should work
[18:46] <misterblonde2517> hmm, so i cant seem to connect to the internet at all
[18:46] <misterblonde2517> whcih is odd because it was working fine yesterday
[18:46] <misterblonde2517> it cant resolve any of the urls.. any ideas?
[18:46] <soldats> are you on it now
[18:47] <misterblonde2517> on my laptop
[18:47] <misterblonde2517> the computer im working on is right next to me in teh same router and its failing all teh itnerent attempts
[18:47] <soldats> ahh, well i assume you have a router so id suggest restarting the router
[18:50] <misterblonde2517> is there a cli command to check internet connection
[18:51] <soldats> you can ping an address
[18:51] <misterblonde2517> oo yea i just did, its not connected
[18:51] <misterblonde2517> hmm
[18:52] <misterblonde2517> could my ethernet be disabled?
[18:53] <soldats> doubt it if it worked yesterday
[19:35] <illidan> hi
[19:38] <illidan> !compiz
[19:38] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[19:39] <illidan> is there a possibility to install compiz-fusion on xubuntu?
[19:42] <illidan> plzzzzzz help meeee
[20:00] <soldats> i think there is i heard of someone doing but i dont have the slightest clue how
[20:25] <killux> Hey, I just tried to install Xubuntu 7.10 on my PS3 which has 2.10 firmware but I am getting some errors. Everything goes fine until when its installing the kernel. The kernel it's trying to install is called "linux-cell". The error message is this: "An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system." Does anyone know why this happens and how I can fix this?
[21:19] <illidan> hi all I need to know how to make xubuntu bar2 seem like macosx
[21:19] <illidan> pls
[22:14] <burt8675309> is gutsy able to run on 256mb system on an intel celeron?
[22:14] <burt8675309> old computer..
[22:15] <X|Out> Burt, it should run on it.
[22:15] <X|Out> My system only has 256mb ram.
[22:19] <soldats> i has gusty with 256
[22:45] <defendguin> what are the minimum hardware specs for xubuntu?
[22:46] <burt8675309> soldats, how do you like it?
[22:46] <burt8675309> soldats, i'm trying to ditch vector linux...
[22:46] <burt8675309> soldats, its very rough around the edges...
[22:47] <soldats> runs really good for me
[22:47] <burt8675309> soldats, how about usb printers...
[22:47] <soldats> i dont use them but i know they work
[22:47] <burt8675309> soldats, will my hp deskjet d4260 run well?
[22:47] <burt8675309> it ran on vector..
[22:48] <soldats> im sure it most likely will, i think the only brand that isnt supported is lexmark
[22:48] <burt8675309> cool.
[22:48] <burt8675309> is it bascially ubuntu with xfce....same preinstalled packages...right?
[22:48] <soldats> what does "rough around the edges" mean
[22:49] <burt8675309> soldats, well its just not as polished as xubuntu..
[22:49] <soldats> oh ok
[22:49] <soldats> well xubuntu is alot smaller than ubuntu
[22:49] <burt8675309> soldats, and its based on slackware so its very difficult to add packages..
[22:49] <soldats> xubuntu-desktop xfce thunar file manager
[22:50] <soldats> more minimal and run better
[22:50] <burt8675309> the screenies look great.
[22:50] <soldats> on slower machines
[22:50] <burt8675309> gutsy and improvement than dapper?
[22:50] <soldats> yes i thought so as well
[22:50] <soldats> gusty runs better than dapper for me
[22:51] <burt8675309> cool.
[22:51] <burt8675309> can't wait.
[22:51] <soldats> gusty is the newest edition
[22:51] <burt8675309> what about open office..
[22:51] <burt8675309> prepacked?
[22:51] <soldats> i think its on the livecd but i dont use it
[22:52] <soldats> i chose not to install it
[22:52] <burt8675309> sorry about all the questions...i'm looking at a checklist of things that don't work on vector..
[22:52] <soldats> ahh
[22:55] <soldats> well open office word gnumeric spreadsheet and abiword were all installed by default
[22:55] <burt8675309> cool.
[22:55] <burt8675309> i'm liking the sound of this.......
[22:55] <soldats> err i meant open office word processor i didnt install the full package
[22:56] <burt8675309> k
[22:56] <burt8675309> but, it has add/remove right....simple package manager....right?
[22:58] <soldats> yes along with synaptic package manager as well
[22:59] <burt8675309> great.
[22:59] <burt8675309> i <3 linux
[22:59] <soldats> ;) me too i hope you enjoy xubuntu
[23:05] <burt8675309> soldats, isn't soldat a game?
[23:05] <burt8675309> soldats, german or something.
[23:05] <burt8675309> idk
[23:05] <burt8675309> right?
[23:05] <soldats> yes
[23:05] <burt8675309> mean soldier?
[23:06] <soldats> but it also came from an anime
[23:06] <soldats> yes it means soldier in german and french
[23:06] <burt8675309> cool.
[23:06] <soldats> the screenshots of the game look rad but i havent had time to get it yet
[23:07] <burt8675309> its pretty fun.
[23:07] <burt8675309> nothing like a 2d mmo fps..
[23:07] <soldats> lol yea im gonna play soon
[23:08] <burt8675309> my friend made a mod for the game..
[23:08] <burt8675309> you should grab it..
[23:08] <burt8675309> he is pretty good at making mods.
[23:08] <soldats> nice il have to get it soon then
[23:53] <Camish_> Looking for a program that can tell how my hard drive is feeling. Like a s.m.a.r.t keeping program. Any recommendations?
[23:56] <crimsun> Camish_: install smartmontools