[04:20] <fissy> hi, i'm trying to compile some software and it complains gcc is missing, though i've installed gcc3.4 using synaptic... do i need to create a gcc symlink?
[04:20] <jbiscont> yann__: what is the error message
[04:20] <jbiscont> ?
[04:20] <yann__> jbiscont: i tried chmod a+x jdk*; sudo ./jdk* ... well trying again...
[04:21] <Matt|> fissy, does the command gcc work?
[04:21] <fissy> bash: gcc: command not found
[04:21] <britt_> apt-get install gcc
[04:21] <Matt|> fissy, you need to install it
[04:21] <fissy> david@darwin:~ $ gcc-3.4
[04:21] <fissy> gcc-3.4: no input files
[04:21] <fissy> really?
[04:21] <cenerentola> what does concourse mean?
[04:21] <jbiscont> yann__: but the execution with the .bon worked wekk?
[04:21] <fissy> i have gcc... Matt|
[04:22] <fissy> just not "gcc"
[04:22] <Matt|> fissy, yes, you have to install gcc
[04:22] <spiv> fissy: install build-essential
[04:22] <Matt|> without the 3.4
[04:22] <jamaas> Newbie here again... Is it possible for me to get a 2.4 kernel that is already compiled, and load it on this pc such that I I can boot from it or the regular 2.6 kernel?  Thanks
[04:23] <Striss> is it possible to install ubuntu on an old P200 machine?
[04:23] <Matt|> jamaas, unwise
[04:23] <fissy> why would i want build-essential?
[04:23] <yann__> jbiscont: nope, that was the problem. I tried the 1.5 too and get the same error:
[04:23] <Matt|> fissy, have you got the package "gcc"?
[04:23] <britt_> Striss: hell yeah!
[04:23] <cenerentola> matt: what does concourse mean?
[04:23] <Matt|> fissy, the "no command found" indicates that you haven't
[04:23] <Striss> i have another old box here next  to my computer, i wanna put linux on it and just use it for something random
[04:23] <cenerentola> matt: answer or lock your gf
[04:23] <Matt|> cenerentola, it is something totally diff
[04:23] <yann__> jbiscont: ./jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin: line 336: ./install.sfx.5220: cannot execute binary file
[04:23] <yann__> ./jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin: line 1: cd: jdk1.5.0: File or directory not found
[04:24] <jamaas> Matt:why is it particularly unwise, seems the only option to use a certain linmodem?
[04:24] <fissy> Matt|, just doing it now, though its going to install gcc-3.3, when i already have gcc-3.4
[04:24] <jbiscont> yann_: wait I just look how did I install this!
[04:25] <Matt|> fissy, yes
[04:25] <Matt|> fissy, it will work though
[04:25] <fissy> ok.... what would i do if iwanted to use gcc-3.4 though?
[04:26] <jbiscont> yann__: try to write sh on the terminal
[04:26] <fissy> i'm not overly bothered, i just installed 3.4 because i assumed it would work
[04:26] <spiv> fissy: build-essential gives you a handful of dependencies you likely need, such as gcc, make and libc6-dev.
[04:26] <yann__> jbiscont: just sh??
[04:26] <fissy> ah ok spiv
[04:26] <fissy> i'm fairly sure i have make, its what complains about gcc being missing
[04:26] <jbiscont> yann__: yes to see if you can execute binary files from sh
[04:26] <mwh_> anyone know how to get danish spelling in openoffice in ubuntu?
[04:26] <spiv> fissy: The gcc version in warty is 3.3, because that's what it was built with.
[04:27] <mwh_> cant seem to find a danish myspell
[04:27] <yann__> jbiscont: k, got sh (bash?!) shell
[04:27] <yann__> jbiscont: no error
[04:27] <spiv> fissy: There were some C++ ABI changes between 3.3 and 3.4 iirc, so having the system gcc be 3.3 makes sense.
[04:28] <spiv> fissy: If you want to compile with 3.4, well, install it and just run "gcc-3.4" instead of "gcc" :)
[04:28] <jbiscont> yann__: ah, so are you sure you had downloaded the right .bin, I mean did you try to re-download it?
[04:28] <spiv> fissy: (or possibly "make CC=gcc-3.4", or whatever)
[04:28] <fissy> spiv, how would i edit that in the make file?
[04:28] <fissy> ahh :), one step ahead
[04:29] <spiv> fissy: what are you building, btw?
[04:29] <jamaas> could anyone please tell me how to remove some snd_ modules and replace them with hsf modules ?  Thanks :)
[04:29] <fissy> spiv, 'root'
[04:30] <ftwig> Anyone kmow how to rerun the bit of the install whitch probes/sets up X
[04:30] <TongMaster> spiv!
[04:30] <fissy> a scientific analysis package from CERN
[04:30] <Matt|> jamaas, you can remove modules from the kernel by doing "sudo modprobe -r module_name"
[04:30] <spiv> fissy: Ah :)
[04:30] <fissy> spiv, i need it for a dark matter project i'm working on
[04:30] <mameluke> does ubuntu have 	Linux (x86/Motif) ore 	Linux (x86/GTK 2) ?
[04:30] <TongMaster> Have you forsaken a tote on the #pipe, spiv?
[04:30] <Matt|> jamaas, insert them by doing "modprobe module_name"
[04:30] <yann__> jbiscont: I took the NOT rpm file
[04:30] <spiv> fissy: I asked because it's surprising how many people want to build something that's already in universe, so it's worth checking :)
[04:31] <Matt|> jamaas, you do not delete them when you remove them, you just unload them from the kernel
[04:31] <fissy> spiv, yeah i had a look first :)
[04:31] <jbiscont> yann__: if you want to try with an rpm it's (almost) the same if you want to make java prog
[04:31] <spiv> ftwig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XautoconfigurationDebug
[04:32] <yann__> jbiscont: ok, i'll try the rpm file then, how do I go about installing that, same thing just: sh *.bin?
[04:32] <jamaas> Matt: thanks  BTW, that is what I've been attempting to do, some sort of conflict and cant get hsf modules active
[04:33] <yann__> jbiscont: downloaded the file several times since I thought the binary might be corrupt
[04:35] <ftwig> spiv:will have a look - thanks
[04:35] <kensai> Thanks guys I'm now at KDE and have qt3-designer working ;)
[04:35] <Matt|> cool
[04:36] <jamaas> Matt: what do you do if it returns that the module is in use?  Thanks
[04:37] <Matt|> jamaas, stop using it?
[04:37] <jbiscont> yann__: sorry, but you must fix the problem by yourself
[04:37] <Matt|> jamaas, btw try and use my nick when replying to me, i.e.: "Matt|": that way I can see your message better and can answer quickly
[04:37] <jbiscont> yann__: cause I can't see how this happend
[04:37] <jbiscont> yann__: sorry
[04:38] <jamaas> Matt, would love to, am using Gaim, but not intelligent enough to figure out how to do that ... :(
[04:38] <Matt|> ah i c
[04:39] <Matt|> jamaas, try using the tab button to complete nicks
[04:39] <yann__> jbiscont: thx anyways
[04:40] <[mirak] > Matt|, ooo...that tab thing is nice
[04:40] <britt_> hey
[04:40] <britt_> i asked this b4
[04:40] <britt_> how do i get kde st start via startx
[04:40] <britt_> to*
[04:40] <jamaas> ok ..... uhm ... society has spent (wasted?) a lot of money to educate me ... but I don't get it ..:-[
[04:41] <Matt|> lol
[04:41] <Matt|> jamaas, you know the tab button?
[04:41] <Matt|> jamaas, start typing someones name
[04:41] <Matt|> like mine: Ma
[04:41] <Matt|> then press TAB
[04:41] <jamaas> it just changes Ma to ma ?
[04:41] <[mirak] > maybe "mat"......ther are a few mat names
[04:41] <Matt|> jamaas, try Mat
[04:41] <[mirak] > err ma names
[04:42] <Matt|> btw does anyone know how to get bash-completion to work with man pages?
[04:42] <jamaas> Matt|: yippeee  still an idiot but a slightly less offensive one ... !
[04:42] <[mirak] > lol
[04:42] <Matt|> or apt-get install package names?
[04:42] <Matt|> lol
[04:42] <Matt|> yay jamaas
[04:43] <jamaas> Matt|: now these modules of mine ... its a bit of a circle.  hsfconfig will not work for me because the hsfmodules are not loaded (I think),, don't I at least get a smily face for something for learning the very difficult tab thing ....:-!
[04:44] <Matt|> :))))
[04:44] <jamaas> Matt|: now I feel better !
[04:45] <Matt|> jamaas, ok are you chatting on the computer you're trying to fix?
[04:45] <jamaas> Matt|: yup, with a sudo window open beside it
[04:45] <Matt|> right
[04:45] <Matt|> you need to stop using those modules if you want to remove em
[04:46] <Matt|> maybe?
[04:46] <Matt|> i thought you should be able to just remove em
[04:46] <jamaas> Matt|: ok, I presume they are loaded at boot time?
[04:46] <Matt|> yes
[04:46] <Matt|> lets work this out logically
[04:46] <Matt|> what modules do you want to load
[04:46] <Matt|> ?
[04:47] <britt_> hey how do i stop modprobe from mounting a non-existant floppy drive
[04:47] <jamaas> Matt|: Now your speakin my language!  hsfali
[04:47] <britt_> its loaded at boot
[04:47] <Matt|> Britt_: it mounts a non-existent drive? check your /etc/fstab
[04:47] <britt_> right
[04:47] <Matt|> jamaas, "modprobe hsfali" what do that give you?
[04:47] <britt_> how do i prevent it from doing that
[04:48] <britt_> I dont have a floppy in my laptop
[04:48] <britt_> it happens rigth after hotswap
[04:48] <britt_> during boot
[04:48] <jamaas> Matt|: returns Module hsfali not found
[04:49] <Matt|> jamaas, right, so who told you you needed that module?
[04:49] <Matt|> Britt_: dunno that sounds crazy
[04:50] <eim> Synaptic seems to have some troubles on powerpc. When I go into preferences, set something and go back I can't see the packages anymore. I have to delete the .synaptic stuff to fix the problem. This does not happen on i386. I know the problem also from Debian unstable.
[04:50] <britt_> i'm confused
[04:51] <britt_> why did modprobe find a floppy anyway
[04:51] <Matt|> britt_, actually i used to get a similar error on fedora
[04:51] <Matt|> never was a problem tho
[04:51] <britt_> right
[04:51] <britt_> it's like a check engine light on a car
[04:51] <britt_> just a minor annoyance
[04:51] <britt_> ;)
[04:52] <mjr> hmh, modprobe doesn't mount anything, it just loads the (floppy) driver
[04:52] <Matt|> yup
[04:52] <britt_> right
[04:52] <bob2> eim: file a bug if no one else has
[04:52] <britt_> so why would it be needed
[04:52] <britt_> I will
[04:52] <Matt|> lol
[04:53] <bratsche> Stupid question, but I'm still new to Ubuntu: I have scons installed from Universe.  But their website has a newer .deb file and I want to upgrade.  How do I upgrade it?
[04:53] <bob2> bratsche: you can try downloading the .deb and installing it, but then you're on your own
[04:53] <bratsche> Yes, I downloaded it.  But I don't know how to install it.  I come from an RPM background, and this .deb stuff frightens and confuses me still. =)
[04:54] <Matt|> is there a search tag for "modprobe" with which you can use wildcards?
[04:55] <yann__> find -name /lib/`uname -r` "what*ever" e.x. don't know any other
[04:55] <bob2> bratsche: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:56] <bob2> bratsche: it may or may not work
[04:56] <bratsche> Thanks bob2.
[04:56] <eim> bob2: ok
[04:58] <yann__> Matt|: sorry, it has to be: find -name /lib/modules/`uname -r` "what*ever" e.x. don't know any other
[04:59] <Matt|> yann__, thanks
[05:00] <z0mbix_> anyone know a good Gtk sftp client?
[05:00] <Matt|> nautilus?
[05:01] <RuffianSoldier> gftp
[05:01] <Matt|> yeah that works
[05:02] <matthew> hello i have just installed ubuntu and can't manage to mount my old windows floppy disks
[05:02] <yann__> as far as I know gftp supports ftps but not sftp ( I think there is a difference, not quite sure though )
[05:02] <matthew> can anyone help
[05:02] <Matt|> matthew, hi, mount -t vfat disk
[05:02] <crimsun> yann__: ftps can be ftp over ssl; sftp uses ssh.
[05:02] <RuffianSoldier> never heard of that problem matthew
[05:02] <yann__> matthew: try sudo modprobe vfat
[05:03] <yann__> crimsun: thx!
[05:03] <crimsun> np
[05:03] <yann__> i must say i have really come to like this channel
[05:03] <RuffianSoldier> same
[05:04] <britt_> woah
[05:04] <matthew> sudo modprobe vfat worked can i make that happen on start up
[05:04] <britt_> this bug reporting stuff is more complicated than i thought
[05:04] <Matt|> lol
[05:04] <yann__> i just hope it does not get quite like the gentoo.de forum... to may noobs there that just do not read howto's and manuals
[05:04] <iz> dial 0900-ubuntu for linux support :)
[05:05] <britt_> i'm just too lazy
[05:05] <britt_> i have a working mind
[05:05] <britt_> and i'm willing to learn
[05:05] <Matt|> yann__, this is full of n00bs who do not read manuals, i like it
[05:05] <tux_> lo
[05:05] <yann__> matthew: just add vfat to /etc/modules
[05:05] <britt_> I read the manuals
[05:05] <tux_> i seem to be having problems with .bash_profile
[05:06] <matthew> yann__ thanks
[05:06] <tux_> im pointing to the /usr/je etc.. java folder and it still doesn't recognise it
[05:06] <tux_> can someone pm me their typical profile that works ?
[05:06] <Matt|> the day that someone in here says rtfm, i'll cry
[05:06] <Striss> rtfm!!
[05:06] <yann__> ;-)
[05:06] <Striss> hehe
[05:07] <yann__> well, but you can point the people to the right manual... and then tell them where about to find it...
[05:07] <yann__> usually google has an answer to a problem...
[05:07] <britt_> dude
[05:07] <britt_> I read the manual
[05:07] <britt_> I am just lazy
[05:07] <Matt|> this is a support channel: hence people get taken through things
[05:08] <Matt|> britt_, i'm with ya
[05:08] <Matt|> if you mum rang you up, saying "the computer isn't working" you wouldn't rtfm her
[05:08] <britt_> i just dont like being yelled at for my laziness
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[05:08] <britt_> oh yeah i'm a guy too
[05:08] <britt_> BTW
[05:08] <yann__> ok, i will adjust myself then...
[05:08] <britt_> Britton is my full name
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> coooolddddddd
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> Brtoaom
[05:09] <yann__> yann is my full name ;-)
[05:09] <Matt|> britt_, did someone yell at ya?
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianSoldier is my full name
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> ;-)
[05:09] <Matt|> lol
[05:09] <Matt|> i hate my parents for calling me Matt|
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> =)
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> |
[05:09] <britt_> my mom calls me my full anme
[05:10] <britt_> I hate it too
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> |trey|
[05:10] <britt_> but when I use britt
[05:10] <britt_> everybody is liek leave the girl alone guys
[05:10] <britt_> :(
[05:10] <Matt|> lol
[05:10] <yann__> you serious?? in here??
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:11] <RuffianSoldier> im going to install Syllable today
[05:11] <RuffianSoldier> you guys know what that is?
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> www.syllable.org
[05:12] <britt_> no
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> it looks cute
[05:12] <britt_> i mena like in other places
[05:13] <no_name> bob2 i tryed everything but nothing
[05:13] <britt_> sigh*
[05:14] <RuffianSoldier> no_name
[05:14] <tux_> can someone help me with my .bash_profile ; i can't seem to get it to point at directories etc..
[05:14] <RuffianSoldier> go to #ubuntuflud
[05:14] <crimsun> tux_: what do you mean by "point at directories?"
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> ----->
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> ---->
[05:15] <tux_> well i want it to point to the java bin dir so as when i type, java it runs
[05:16] <britt_> like a $path entry
[05:16] <tux_> aye
[05:16] <crimsun> tux_: oh, do you mean to add $JAVA_HOME/bin to your $PATH?
[05:16] <britt_> hmm
[05:16] <tux_> yes
[05:16] <tux_> sorry about the confusion
[05:16] <no_name> can someone help because i cant connect to the inetrnet
[05:16] <darkersatanic> tux_: export PATH=${PATH}:/add/path/here
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> how are you talking to us>
[05:16] <crimsun> tux_: prepend it to $PATH
[05:17] <tux_> i tired it didnt work
[05:17] <tux_> prob. doing it wrong
[05:17] <crimsun> tux_: were is jre/jdk installed?
[05:17] <tux_> can somone pm the default profile and ill show u what i did
[05:17] <crimsun> where?
[05:17] <darkersatanic> tux_: Also, read http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/BashStartup
[05:18] <britt_> damn I am hungry
[05:18] <britt_> sorry
[05:18] <britt_> um....i'm hungry
[05:18] <RuffianSoldier> Im Hungray for Turke and Chille
[05:19] <tux_> r
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> Iran because Iraq!
[05:19] <britt_> well that would make me even more hungry
[05:19] <britt_> but i dont like chili
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> mmmmmmm
[05:20] <britt_> yuck
[05:20] <britt_> i just odnt like the beans
[05:20] <britt_> dont
[05:20] <RuffianSoldier> agenteo
[05:20] <tux_> thx peeps ; will check it out :)
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> ya dig?
[05:21] <britt_> um...
[05:21] <britt_> me?
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> no
[05:21] <britt_> oh
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> agenteo
[05:22] <no_name> i still cant connect to the internet
[05:22] <britt_> i really like apt-get
[05:22] <RuffianSoldier> how are you talking to us no_
[05:22] <RuffianSoldier> same britt_
[05:23] <britt_> it solves dependencies
[05:23] <britt_> I hated Suse
[05:23] <britt_> yuck!
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> SUSE is awesome!
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> is it SUSE bashing day or seomthing?
[05:23] <britt_> why
[05:23] <britt_> this is the first time i mentioned it
[05:23] <britt_> i like it
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> every is talking about how they hate it
[05:24] <britt_> btu the packaging system is no match for apt-get
[05:24] <RuffianSoldier> true
[05:24] <RuffianSoldier> thats why Debian is the best!
[05:24] <britt_> sorry ruffian
[05:24] <mirak> hey
[05:24] <mirak> I am trying the live cd
[05:24] <RuffianSoldier> neat
[05:24] <britt_> cool
[05:24] <mirak> there is a problem with resolv.conf
[05:24] <britt_> not cool
[05:25] <mirak> any devs here ?
[05:25] <RuffianSoldier>  "britt_: sorry ruffian"?
[05:25] <britt_> for putting suse down
[05:25] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:25] <britt_> its cool....
[05:25] <mirak> In fact I use pppoe to connect, so I was disapointed to see that the config tool doesn't allow to config pppoe
[05:25] <britt_> just not whatever the packaging system is called
[05:26] <RuffianSoldier> Synaptic owns!
[05:26] <mirak> at the connection /etc/resolv.conf is not writted in, but instead of that it's /etc/ppp/resolv.conf
[05:26] <britt_> dont forget apt-get for the console ppl
[05:26] <britt_> :)
[05:26] <mirak> so I did a symbolic link
[05:26] <RuffianSoldier> write one mirak
[05:27] <RuffianSoldier> im a console person
[05:27] <mirak> either a symlink is missing, or the file is not written at the good place
[05:27] <RuffianSoldier> write one!
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> then burn a new CD
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> simple
[05:28] <mirak> Ruffian write one what ?
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> write your own pppoe.conf or whatever
[05:28] <mirak> and remaster a live cd. I am not sure that so simple
[05:28] <no_name> can someone please help me??
[05:29] <RuffianSoldier> no_name, i will try
[05:29] <RuffianSoldier> pm me
[05:29] <britt_> how in the world is no_name talkign to us if he cant get online
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> britt_. EXACTLY! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT!
[05:30] <britt_> I have no clue
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:30] <britt_> something tells me you would need a IP to do IRC
[05:30] <britt_> (i'm positive)
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> for rizzzzzle
[05:30] <britt_> lol
[05:30] <britt_> that made my day
[05:31] <britt_> :)
[05:31] <no_name> windows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> mandows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> mandows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> lindows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> lindows
[05:33] <Matt|> he probably has a dual boot or another rig
[05:33] <britt_> gotcha
[05:34] <RuffianSoldier> i have 5 working computers
[05:34] <britt_> i have 4 in my dormroom
[05:34] <britt_> hehe
[05:34] <britt_> i barely have room to sleep
[05:34] <eim> Anyone solved the iBook suspend-bug? I've applied the latest patch from bugzilla but my iBook still won't wake up once suspended. Thanks.
[05:34] <RuffianSoldier> i have 4 in my room
[05:34] <britt_> um
[05:34] <britt_> got a problem
[05:34] <Matt|> too many computers
[05:34] <britt_> just now
[05:34] <britt_> on my laptop
[05:34] <mirak> is it possible to install the ubuntu config tools on a standar debian ?
[05:35] <britt_> i have integrated 802.11b
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> mirak, anything is possible in linux
[05:35] <britt_> and i enabled it in gnome
[05:35] <britt_> and restarted
[05:35] <britt_> and then I didnt want to use the wireless
[05:35] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, ?
[05:35] <britt_> is there anyway I could get it to work when i want to
[05:35] <britt_> ?
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> mirak, you can do it, how do you think people make distros
[05:36] <RuffianSoldier> britt_, WiFi is a bitch in Linux
[05:36] <britt_> i know
[05:36] <Matt|> lol
[05:36] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, oh come on, I ask if I can use some debian package in ubuntu. I don't want to recreate a full distro
[05:36] <Matt|> not too bad
[05:36] <britt_> it was giving me some lookup crap
[05:36] <britt_> I had it in Suse
[05:36] <britt_> error 110
[05:36] <britt_> lookup failure or something
[05:36] <RuffianSoldier> mirak, there prolly is
[05:36] <britt_> bc i didnt wantr to use it
[05:37] <britt_> so...what file do i need to edit to make wireless not activate at boot
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> zxy__ zxy___
[05:37] <britt_> bc in suse I set it up to where i had to do ifup eth0
[05:37] <britt_>  to enable ti
[05:37] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, hem, sorry I was meaning the opposite, install ubuntu package in debian
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> [mirak]  mirak
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> just find the package
[05:39] <Matt|> britt_, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:39] <britt_> cool
[05:39] <Matt|> or even better
[05:39] <Matt|> run network-admin
[05:39] <britt_> i wish there was a ifup and ifdown
[05:39] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, ok I will try an install of ubuntu then. I am tired of out dated mandrake
[05:39] <zenwhen> Anyone using a Nvidia 6800 series graphics card in ubuntu?
[05:40] <zenwhen> an*
[05:40] <omnilab> hey guys. anyone here have luck with getting hardware accel in ubuntu using a radeon 9700 pro?
[05:40] <britt_> ubuntu is awesome
[05:40] <britt_> i love it
[05:40] <spiv> omnilab: I don't have that exact model, but have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[05:41] <zenwhen> My Nvidia 6800 will not work in ANY way with Ubuntu. It works fine in every other distro. I get the error that no devices are found.
[05:41] <britt_> tried running network-admin
[05:41] <shaver> mine works, with the binary drivers
[05:41] <shaver> 6800GT
[05:41] <britt_> (network-admin:4121): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[05:41] <shaver> the XFree ones don't know about the 6800's PCI ID or some such
[05:42] <zenwhen> oh
[05:42] <zenwhen> ok
[05:42] <shaver> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:42] <shaver> and then there's a script to run that enables it
[05:42] <zenwhen> GOing to have to hope i can get a network connection
[05:42] <shaver> yes, that will help
[05:42] <zenwhen> Because last time I tried ubuntu they had paid no attention to dialup.
[05:43] <shaver> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:43] <britt_> so whats goign on
[05:43] <Matt|> britt_, it is also in Computer --> system config --> networking
[05:43] <Matt|> you need X
[05:44] <britt_> lemme start it
[05:44] <omnilab> spiv: nope, i'll check that out
[05:44] <Matt|> otherwise just edit the file
[05:44] <spiv> omnilab: It worked my laptop's radeon.
[05:44] <britt_> i'll edit the file
[05:44] <britt_> so there is no ifup and ifdown
[05:44] <britt_> for ubuntu
[05:44] <britt_> bc i did...in suse just
[05:44] <britt_> do a ifup eth0
[05:45] <britt_> when i needed it
[05:45] <Matt|> it exists
[05:45] <britt_> no way
[05:45] <efb> are there precompiled packages of mplayer for ubuntu, or any way to use debian's ones? (not the tutorial on how to compile it)
[05:45] <Matt|> efb, yes there are
[05:45] <mirak> zenwhen, what is you problem ?
[05:45] <efb> Matt|, where?
[05:46] <Matt|> efb, you need to add the universe/multiverse repositories (can't remember which it is in)
[05:46] <britt_> I am a happy clam now
[05:46] <britt_> !
[05:46] <Matt|> can someone explain to me what bcc is exactly (on an email)?
[05:46] <efb> Matt|, what's the multiverse's sources.list line? (i have universe, and it doesn't have mplayer)
[05:47] <Matt|> k
[05:47] <Matt|> hang on
[05:47] <britt_> gotta go to class
[05:48] <efb> Matt|, when you send a bcc, the bcc'd people will receive the email, but the others won't know that you've sent copies to them
[05:48] <Matt|> efb, have pm'ed you my sources.list
[05:48] <Matt|> efb, great just what I wanted
[05:48] <Matt|> thanks
[05:49] <Matt|> gtg
[05:49] <Matt|> bye all
[05:54] <drakonim> Hi all,  anyone know if theres a package maintained that includes brctl for warty?
[05:56] <toyowheelin> hey all
[05:57] <toyowheelin> how dose ubuntu setup grub so that windows will boot
[05:58] <netmonk> can someone help me with my sound card, i have sound but when i try to opne Volume control it gives me: error: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[05:58] <tseng> read /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:58] <drakonim> toyowheelin, in /boot/grub/menu.lst there is an entry that passes your boot request to windows's ntldr
[05:59] <toyowheelin> drakonim: thanks
[05:59] <drakonim> np, tseng beat me to it :-D
[05:59] <drakonim> found my brctl in bride-utils
[05:59] <drakonim> peace out all!
[06:00] <mirak> can I burn something with the live cd ?
[06:00] <[mirak] > do you have a open cd-r drive
[06:00] <[mirak] > unless the live cd will let you load it all to ram...and free up your cd-recorder
[06:01] <mirak> LOL
[06:01] <[mirak] > ?
[06:01] <mirak> [mirak] , common you can't change your damn nick ?
[06:01] <mirak> ROFL
[06:02] <[mirak] > I did
[06:02] <mirak> ok
[06:02] <mirak> it's ok
[06:02] <mirak> it should be ok
[06:02] <[mirak] > I registered this one.......no arguments
[06:02] <mirak> yes
[06:02] <hauntedunix> Puls` is doing onjoin spamming..
[06:02] <[mirak] > ??
[06:02] <mirak> the problem with the other is that xchat was blipping on your nick
[06:03] <[mirak] > blipping?
[06:03] <mirak> see if I doo [mirak] something
[06:04] <[mirak] > mirak, what made you decide on ubuntu?.....you used to hang in a nother room
[06:05] <mirak> I like debian uptodateness and mandrake friendly config tools, so a friend told me ubuntu was what I was looking for
[06:05] <Kirsch> anyway to install Gnome 2.9.1?
[06:05] <seb128> use hoary if you want to do this, but that's not a stable branch
[06:06] <mirak> oh, ubuntu live cd takes ages to load
[06:06] <Tomcat_> I don't like the Ubuntu Live...
[06:06] <mdz> CDs take ages to load
[06:06] <Kirsch> oh ok
[06:07] <LinuxJones> afternoon everybody
[06:07] <Kirsch> then nm
[06:07] <[mirak] > mirak, just install ubuntu..........its good
[06:07] <mirak> I need to burn the iso
[06:08] <minaural> anyone use mythtv with ubuntu?
[06:08] <[mirak] > ahh.....
[06:08] <minaural> im trying to decide between gentoo and ubuntu for my pvr box
[06:08] <mirak> I go on mandrake
[06:08] <[mirak] > minaural, ubuntu
[06:09] <minaural> is mythtv on the ubunto sources?
[06:09] <LinuxJones> minaural, there is a distro based on Knoppix that is designed for MythTV
[06:09] <minaural> yah i know
[06:09] <minaural> but i want a 2.6 kernel
[06:09] <LinuxJones> minaural, ahh
[06:09] <minaural> and that uses 2.4 i think
[06:09] <[mirak] > linuxjones, what is that distro called?.......the mythtv 1?
[06:09] <minaural> knopmyth
[06:09] <minaural> i used it before its pretty slick
[06:10] <minaural> http://mysettopbox.tv i think
[06:11] <LinuxJones> minaural, [mirak]  >> http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[06:12] <minaural> yah i was using it and i was having some performance problems
[06:12] <minaural> but it was probably cuz i got a slow pc
[06:12] <[mirak] > found it from google already...i just needed the name....thnx guys:)
[06:12] <lamont> time to flee
[06:12] <minaural> i tried windows mce2005 its horrible
[06:13] <tseng> minaural: do you have a hardware encoder?
[06:13] <tseng> that will be helpful
[06:13] <minaural> i have a hauppaguse 250
[06:13] <tseng> yes
[06:13] <minaural> it has a encoder
[06:13] <tseng> you can configure it in mythtv to use the encoder and not starve the cpu when recording
[06:13] <minaural> but anyways i upgraded my box so it should work better now
[06:13] <GnuHippy> could DMA enabled on my HDD cause adverse performance?
[06:14] <minaural> GnuHippy: would increase performance in most cases
[06:14] <GnuHippy> kk
[06:14] <cocaxx> hi ppl
[06:18] <cocaxx> hi
[06:18] <LinuxJones> srbaker, where you from ?
[06:19] <cocaxx> I booted the live-cd but I can't start cups: "Child exited with status 98"
[06:19] <srbaker> LinuxJones, halifax, ns
[06:19] <srbaker> canada
[06:19] <cocaxx> can sb. help me?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> srbaker, ahh I'm in CB
[06:19] <srbaker> LinuxJones, no way?  what town?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> srbaker, Florence :)
[06:19] <srbaker> i dont' know florence
[06:19] <srbaker> my whole family is from Glace Bayt.
[06:19] <srbaker> Glace Bay
[06:20] <LinuxJones> srbaker, It's jsut outsid eNorth Sydney
[06:20] <srbaker> ahh.  i've been to north sydney
[06:20] <srbaker> nice.
[06:20] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:20] <LinuxJones> Not as nice as Halifax :P
[06:23] <Kirsch> is there a program that can scan for SSID's?
[06:23] <Kirsch> just prints all the ones out in range?
[06:23] <cocaxx> Kirsch: wlan?
[06:24] <Kirsch> ?
[06:24] <Kirsch> Yea
[06:24] <cocaxx> iwlist ethx scan
[06:24] <FluFlo> I think wavemon can do it as well
[06:24] <cocaxx> bah, auto mounting of mass storage devices doesn't work, not for the sd card and not for the mp3player :(
[06:25] <Kirsch> "eth1 failed to read scan data : no data available"
[06:25] <cocaxx> dmesg says "mini_fo_setattr: ERROR, no unmodified file [2] "
[06:26] <cocaxx> but if I klick sdb1 in Computer > sdb1 it works
[06:26] <cocaxx> but this is shit because my sister should plug it in and the windows should appear, so its set in gvm
[06:26] <Kirsch> any other ideas?
[06:28] <paines> hi
[06:28] <cocaxx> no :(
[06:29] <cocaxx> LOL
[06:30] <cocaxx> /etc/init.d/halt status shuts the system down
[06:30] <cocaxx> *rofl*
[06:30] <opi> so you could know status
[06:30] <opi> it's off ;)
[06:39] <cocaxx> opi: :)
[06:40] <cocaxx> damn
[06:40] <cocaxx> but why does this fucking gvm not work??
[06:40] <cocaxx> I stick the mp3player in and nothing happens
[06:41] <ogra> hi all
[06:41] <LinuxJones> cocaxx, watch the language pls :)
[06:41] <LinuxJones> hi ogra
[06:41] <cocaxx> I know that my english sucks :)
[06:41] <cocaxx> ah
[06:41] <cocaxx> you mean fu*****
[06:41] <cocaxx> *G*
[06:43] <cocaxx> I thought that gvm works with ubuntu, but it doesn't
[06:43] <ficusplanet> cocaxx, It does over here.
[06:43] <ATJ> Talking about language, it would be nice that if I choose finnish as the default languge for my system, default language would be finnish or mixture of finnish and non-translatet parts (in english). But now many programs are in swedish. :P
[06:43] <ogra> cocaxx: got an out of the box ubuntu ?
[06:43] <cocaxx> live cd
[06:43] <ATJ> And yeah, I know. My english isn't good either. :)
[06:44] <cocaxx> ;)
[06:44] <Kirsch> ahh
[06:44] <Kirsch> cocaxx: you need to be root
[06:44] <Aard> Kirsch: s/root/uid 0/
[06:44] <cocaxx> so my sister has to be root to move mp3s to her mp3player?
[06:45] <Kirsch> LOL
[06:45] <Kirsch> no... the iwlist, u need to be root
[06:45] <Kirsch> haha
[06:45] <cocaxx> ah *GG*
[06:45] <Aard> Kirsch: s/root/uid 0/ ;)
[06:47] <Tiboz> hello
[06:48] <Kirsch> is there a program to hack a WEP password?
[06:48] <ficusplanet> airsnort
[06:53] <Tiboz> is hoary usable right now ?
[06:54] <daniels> yes
[06:54] <Tiboz> and it's not too broken ?
[06:54] <daniels> works for me
[06:55] <[mirak] > how do I get hoary???
[06:55] <[mirak] > just apt-get update?
[06:55] <daniels> and apt-get dist-upgrade, yes
[06:55] <daniels> but beware, it may break
[06:55] <daniels> not recommended if you don't have the skills to recover from breakages
[06:55] <[mirak] > well....i do that every day......
[06:56] <[mirak] > ill be ok..........
[06:56] <Tiboz> I'll try it then
[06:57] <[mirak] > I installed something from .deb yesterday...i feel invincible
[06:57] <Tiboz> :)
[06:57] <[mirak] > delt with the dependancies even
[06:58] <Tiboz> 571 mis  jour, 29 nouvellement installs
[06:58] <Tiboz> wooo
[06:58] <[mirak] > ??
[06:58] <Tiboz> sorry
[06:58] <[mirak] > its ok
[06:58] <Tiboz> 571 to update, 29 newly installed
[06:59] <Tiboz> 360 Mo to download
[06:59] <Tiboz> let's go for it
[06:59] <[mirak] > DO it
[07:06] <Cred> Does someone know when Rhythmbox is going to be updated? ;)
[07:06] <seb128> it's uptodate
[07:07] <seb128> no ?
[07:07] <seb128> oh no
[07:07] <seb128> Cred: I'll update it now
[07:07] <Cred> :o
[07:07] <Cred> Hehe, well.. no hurry. Was just asking ;)
[07:11] <Matt|> hmm
[07:11] <Matt|> the trash icon does not empty itself when I empty the trash
[07:12] <Matt|> is this a known issue?
[07:12] <paulproteus> That's fairly sad.
[07:12] <Matt|> ?
[07:13] <Matt|> in fact it still says "10 items in trash" when i hover over it
[07:13] <Matt|> is there something wrong with the trash applet?
[07:14] <kent> Matt|, it works for me.
[07:15] <Matt|> Kent, are you on warty?
[07:15] <LinuxJones> Matt|, maybe you don't have write permissions on the files ?
[07:16] <Matt|> LinuxJones, aha
[07:16] <Matt|> LinuxJones, but they are deleted i think
[07:16] <kent> Matt|, yes, im using warty
[07:16] <[mirak] > matt|, just stare at it angrily some more (not being mean....was funny to me)
[07:16] <LinuxJones> Matt|, :)
[07:16] <Matt|> LinuxJones, yeah is empty
[07:16] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~/.Trash $ ls -a
[07:16] <Matt|> .  ..
[07:17] <Matt|> hmmmm
[07:18] <Matt|> damn
[07:24] <g3r4rd0> someone knows where mono packages will be updated for ubuntu??
[07:26] <g3r4rd0> i mean "when"
[07:29] <ploum> Hi
[07:29] <ploum> a new article :
[07:29] <ploum> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[07:32] <altan> Agfgh, I just can't help but feel that CD-ROM support is slightly broken, it won't let me unmount it or eject it at all when it's not even doing anything
[07:33] <Zimpee> hi
[07:33] <altan> anyone?
[07:33] <Striss> i always have to go into the terminal and type eject to get my cd's out, it won't work inside gnome
[07:33] <altan> I can't even unmount :(
[07:33] <altan> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[07:34] <Striss> are you in the cdrom's dir while you do thaT?
[07:34] <altan> nope
[07:34] <altan> all nautilus windows are closed
[07:34] <Matt|> right click on cd icon on the desktop and mount it
[07:34] <Matt|> right click on cd icon on the desktop and UNmount it
[07:34] <Striss> go into the terminal and just try typing eject
[07:34] <altan> Matt, I did that too
[07:34] <Striss> right clicking never works for me
[07:34] <Matt|> :(
[07:34] <Matt|> works here
[07:34] <Striss> altan, try the terminal
[07:34] <Striss> just type eject
[07:34] <Matt|> yup terminal should work
[07:34] <altan> yup, did that too
[07:34] <altan> unmout of /dev/hda has failed
[07:34] <altan> (hda is my cdrom drive)
[07:34] <Matt|> altan, you must be using it without knowing
[07:35] <Matt|> hda is your cdrom drive??!?
[07:35] <altan> yeah
[07:35] <altan> my HDDs are sda and sdb
[07:35] <altan> serial ata ahoy
[07:35] <Matt|> crazy
[07:35] <Matt|> ok
[07:35] <Matt|> fraid i don't know then
[07:35] <g3r4rd0> i cant make my cdrw works, someone can help me?
[07:35] <Matt|> have you got a link from /dev/cdrom to /dev/hda?
[07:35] <altan> yeah Matt
[07:36] <Matt|> meh
[07:36] <Matt|> damn
[07:36] <altan> it worked two minutes ago, I switched out two CDs
[07:36] <ficusplanet> Are there any plans for evolution to ever be split into smaller tools (ala Mac OS X) instead of one giant shell?
[07:37] <altan> ok, it worked, I had to shut down "nautilus throbber" though, whatever that is
[07:38] <altan> but... ah, no big loss for you guys, but my will is too weak, I just get everything done so much faster in Windows, I pretty much grew up with MS operating systems. you've been very helpful though, so I feel bad :/
[07:38] <altan> thanks
[07:38] <Matt|> another one bites the dust
[07:39] <netmonk> yep
[07:39] <Striss> i think i'll be going back to OS X soon, i can't deal very well without Photoshop and just having flash working in a web browser
[07:39] <Striss> can't get java to work either
[07:39] <Striss> my computer is not very functional with linux on it
[07:40] <Matt|> if you are a pro designer then you can't really use linux
[07:40] <Matt|> the industry expects photoshop :(
[07:40] <xenonite> it works with wine...
[07:40] <Striss> wine won't run on ppc
[07:41] <xenonite> ah okay
[07:41] <Striss> i can't even run quake3 on ppc linux, i was dissapointed at that too
[07:41] <Striss> i think i'll be switching back very soon
[07:41] <Striss> its pretty sad that i can't even look at a flash based website
[07:41] <Cred> Too bad :(
[07:41] <xenonite> :(
[07:41] <Matt|> Striss, how come?
[07:41] <Striss> there's no flash support for ppc linux at all
[07:41] <Matt|> flashplayer doesn't work?
[07:41] <Matt|> oh dear
[07:42] <Striss> as far as i can tell, java won't work in firefox on ppc linux either
[07:42] <mjr> thank macromedia for that
[07:42] <jcole> Matt|: http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/cat?app_id=8
[07:42] <Striss> but i'm stuck for now because i don't have my os x cd's with me
[07:42] <xenonite> oh
[07:42] <Matt|> thanks jcole
[07:43] <jcole> Striss: http://www.maconlinux.org/
[07:43] <Matt|> jcole, is that through wine?
[07:44] <jcole> Matt|: a commercial version of wine... with a very easy to use app installer
[07:45] <mjr> that's probably through Codeweavers' Crossover Office, which is a pumped up version of Wine; though they're nice citizens and most of their stuff that's clean enough ends up in Wine proper too
[07:45] <Matt|> and do you need a windows partition?
[07:45] <mjr> no
[07:45] <jcole> Matt|: no
[07:45] <brad>  /quit
[07:45] <Matt|> bye brad
[07:45] <Matt|> so you can install photoshop on your linux partition?
[07:45] <jcole> Matt|: it creates a fake windows C:\
[07:46] <jcole> Matt|: yep
[07:46] <Matt|> cool
[07:46] <Striss> theoretically
[07:46] <jcole> Matt|: and m$ office and visio and quicken... whatetver
[07:46] <Matt|> jcole, no blasphemy
[07:46] <mjr> by the way, talking about wine and ppc, I'll just point at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ - probably not for the feint of heart at this point, don't expect plug'n'play
[07:47] <jcole> Striss: if you have a fast enough ppc, you can emulate an x86 with bochs
[07:47] <Matt|> sounds like he has a fast one
[07:47] <Matt|> if he is playing doom3
[07:47] <mjr> qemu should be faster
[07:47] <mjr> it does dynamic translation instead of plain emulation (which is what bochs does)
[07:48] <Striss> i said quake3 earlier, not doom3
[07:48] <Striss> i have a very slow mac
[07:48] <Matt|> oh soz
[07:49] <jcole> Striss: you're asking too much then ;)
[07:49] <Striss> well, i'm not asking much to be able to look at a flash site or play quake 3
[07:49] <g3r4rd0> when i try to burn a cd, it says something like speed=364x, how i have to configure cdrecord for fixing this?
[07:50] <g3r4rd0> please someone?
[07:50] <Striss> i can't even run quake2 in linux
[07:50] <Striss> while quake3 runs perfect in osx
[07:51] <Striss> well..
[07:51] <chowells> s/too/two
[07:51] <Striss> ah nevermind
[07:51] <Striss> its not that hard to figure out
[07:51] <chowells> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
[07:51] <Zimpee> ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[07:52] <mjr> Let it be said again that anyone disheartened by lack of flash support should ask macromedia to just open the player source. They probably won't any time soon, but can't hurt to ask.
[07:52] <chowells> there is an open source libflash, whether it works is a different matter :)
[07:52] <mjr> it doesn't, really
[07:52] <chowells> ok
[07:52] <mjr> you might get to see some of the ads properly, they're simple enough
[07:52] <chowells> lol
[07:52] <mjr> yay
[07:53] <jcole> Striss: i play quake2 all the time on linux... have mod packs even... are you talking about ppc?
[07:54] <ploum> Stange, my xterm becomes sometimes crazy
[07:54] <ploum> !
[07:54] <Matt|> ooooh
[07:55] <ploum> it prints strange characters each time I press a mouse button
[07:55] <MFen> does apt log installs and uninstalls?
[07:55] <Striss> jcole, yes
[07:55] <ploum> The only solution I've found is to close and relaunch the crazy xterm
[07:55] <Striss> it runs very poorly for me in linux, yet runs insanely fast in osx, where its so old
[07:55] <Striss> doesnt make too much sense to me
[07:55] <erek_> what's holding ubuntu back from having xorg?
[07:55] <Matt|> erek_, they are working on it
[07:56] <erek_> yeah, but what is the problem anyhow?
[07:56] <Matt|> erek_, nothing, they are compiling and installing it
[07:56] <Matt|> it will be here soon
[07:56] <mjr> Striss, you just probably don't have 3d accelerated drivers on the linux side
[07:56] <ploum> erek_, it's very very difficult to package it
[07:56] <MFen> what's the advantage of moving to x.org?
[07:56] <erek_> oh
[07:56] <Matt|> MFen, faster development
[07:56] <Matt|> ?
[07:56] <jcole> ploum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[07:56] <erek_> Matt|: so you're saying people can already compile thier own X.Org?
[07:56] <Striss> mjr, yeah i can't even get opengl to work in X
[07:56] <MFen> Matt|: ok, but no user advantages right now?
[07:56] <Matt|> erek_, people can do what they like, surely?
[07:57] <Matt|> MFen, well that depends
[07:57] <Matt|> MFen, I would have the advantage of 3d acceleration
[07:57] <Striss> i can't find a single guide to help me get opengl working in X for ppc, if i could i'd be a much happier linux user, and probably stick with it
[07:57] <Matt|> apparently there is some extra shine too
[07:57] <erek_> Matt|: oh, i thought maybe there was something wrong, and they couldn't get X to compile, you know?
[07:57] <mjr> Striss, what video card do you have, by the way?
[07:57] <Matt|> erek_, nope they are just fiddling out the difficulties
[07:57] <ploum> jcole, not related with my problem
[07:58] <Striss> mjr, rage128 pro, on my imac
[07:58] <jcole> Striss: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say?
[07:58] <Zimpee> ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[07:58] <ploum> thx anyway
[07:58] <ogra> MFen: a lot of eyecandy
[07:58] <Striss> jcole, just a sec
[07:58] <Striss> jcole, nothing at all
[07:58] <MFen> ogra: i assume you mean alphas and soft shadows, or stuff like that?  will we actually be able to see the eyecandy
[07:58] <MFen> ?
[07:59] <ogra> MFen: i would assume yes
[07:59] <MFen> i assume apps and desktop environments have to be compiled to take advantage of it
[07:59] <Somebody_answer> WHY??? ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[07:59] <mjr> Striss, well that should be supported by the dri drivers at http://dri.sourceforge.net/ ; I don't know about ppc support but I'd be surprised if there weren't
[07:59] <MFen> Somebody_answer: the problem is too many question marks
[08:00] <mjr> I'd be less surprised if it'd be difficult to set up
[08:00] <Somebody_answer> well: ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[08:00] <Somebody_answer> is that ok, MFen ?
[08:00] <MFen> yes
[08:00] <Striss> mjr, i'll have a look there
[08:00] <Somebody_answer> so?
[08:00] <MFen> sounds like you need to burn the cd at a slower rate. maybe your machine's not fast enough for your burner
[08:00] <MFen> it's a common cd burner proble
[08:00] <MFen> m
[08:01] <Somebody_answer> ok
[08:01] <Somebody_answer> thanks
[08:01] <ogra> MFen: it works on a generic base, but i think you are right, you will get better results if the actual app is written to integrate well with it
[08:02] <mjr> "PPC support for ATI Rage128 chips has finally hit the trunk with the merge of the ati-pcigart-1-0-0-branch."
[08:02] <mjr> apparently it is supported, but as said, it might be nontrivial to install
[08:02] <ogra> MFen: but dont tale me too serious, i'm not a x.org dev ;)
[08:02] <ogra> k
[08:02] <daniels> huh, what
[08:02] <daniels> that support has been in there since like 1999
[08:03] <daniels> seriously, it's supported just fine
[08:03] <Matt|> how come nvu is not packaged for ubuntu?
[08:04] <ogra> daniels: but you must admit that it would be better if the apps were actually programmed to use it 100% internally ;)
[08:04] <daniels> ogra: ... what?
[08:04] <daniels> i was talking about powerpc r128
[08:04] <daniels> should be fine, anyway need to run out
[08:05] <ogra> daniels: oh, i was talking about x.org.... *g*
[08:05] <ogra> daniels: thought you meant that....
[08:06] <ogra> daniels: while i was astonished bout '99 :)
[08:07] <kstraka> I'm having some problems installing Apache on Ubuntu, anyone want to help me out?  I did an apt-get install apache-common, which appears to have installed a bunch of apache stuff, but I can't find the "apachectl" binary to turn the server on and off, and when I try to run "apache-modconf apache" from the /usr/sbin directory, it tells me "apache appears not to be installed".  Any ideas?
[08:08] <wims> how do i get gcc?
[08:08] <kstraka> Also, does PHP come along with this, and if not can I just apt-get PHP?  It says such a package doesn't exist.
[08:08] <mjr> Striss, hmm, of course, there's one thing; try and grep -i dri /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see if it says something about why dri would not be enabled
[08:08] <ogra> kstraka: sudo /etc/init.d/apache start
[08:08] <ogra> kstraka: sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop
[08:09] <ogra> kstraka: sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[08:09] <Striss> mjr: it loads module "dri"
[08:09] <kstraka> ogra:  thanks, but it gives me: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[08:10] <ogra> wims: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:10] <Striss> mjr, but in glxinfo, it says direct rendering is not enabled
[08:10] <mjr> Striss, righto
[08:10] <ogra> kstraka: sudo apt-get install apache2
[08:10] <mjr> *shrug*
[08:10] <Striss> oh i've got something else...
[08:10] <kstraka> ah, apache2, I see....I thought apache-common covered it
[08:10] <Striss> i just ran glxgears, it runs but in the terminal it says "Xlib: extension "XFree-DRI" missing"
[08:11] <kstraka> hooray!  localhost web server online!
[08:12] <kstraka> wow, once you figure out the right package, apt-get is wonderful.  much easier than dealing with rpms
[08:14] <kstraka> OK, while I'm at it, does anyone have any experience with phpki, an S/MIME certificate authority package?
[08:14] <sewoyl> hello, I would like to set up my screen to 85 Hz, how can I do that ? The 'screen resolution' utility wont let me change from 60 Hz
[08:15] <Matt|> damn
[08:15] <Matt|> did someone answer my questions above? I got disconnected :(
[08:15] <g3r4rd0> sewoyl, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually
[08:16] <ploum> Matt|, no one seems to care about nvu ;-)
[08:16] <Matt|> is it bad?
[08:16] <ploum> sewoyl, you have to lower your resolution
[08:16] <ploum> Matt|, not really
[08:17] <ploum> sewoyl, modify XF86Config only if you know what you are doing
[08:17] <sewoyl> g3r4rd0, I know I use the 'nv' driver on other Linuxes
[08:17] <sewoyl> ploum, I can usually be at 85Hz at this resolution
[08:17] <ploum> sewoyl, so this is strange
[08:18] <sewoyl> ploum,  but the setup didnt ask me for X configuration other than the resolution
[08:18] <Matt|> ploum, how come it isn't packaged? I thought that debian had _all_ packages
[08:18] <sewoyl> Matt|, I like nvu :)
[08:18] <ploum> Matt|, I don't know..
[08:19] <[mirak] > well, if anyone get a nvu package made...send it to me plz...i want to try it out :)
[08:19] <Matt|> ok i will learn how to package and try and build a deb
[08:20] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm using VMWare and it's a GTK1, how can I edit the display settings for that?
[08:20] <[mirak] > matt|, kk........i guess I should try to leanr myself......maybe we can work on it together when I get home from work
[08:20] <Matt|> heh
[08:20] <Matt|> depends how long you'll be
[08:20] <[mirak] > matt| its 2:20 here...i get home about 6:00
[08:20] <Matt|> Kirsch: install and run gtk-theme-switch
[08:21] <Matt|> [mirak] , k
[08:22] <zenwhen> hey
[08:22] <zenwhen> I installed ubuntu
[08:22] <zenwhen> but I cant start X as a user
[08:22] <zenwhen> I have to sudo
[08:22] <Dennis_k> sudo uses your user password
[08:22] <zenwhen> I know
[08:22] <zenwhen> Thats not what I am saying
[08:22] <zenwhen> I know how to use sudo
[08:23] <zenwhen> I cannnot start x as a user
[08:23] <ogra> why do you have to start x ?
[08:23] <zenwhen> :(
[08:23] <Dennis_k> you have to reconfigure X86config
[08:23] <zenwhen> no
[08:23] <zenwhen> It works as root
[08:23] <zenwhen> if I sudo, x starts
[08:23] <zenwhen> If i dont it fails
[08:23] <Dennis_k> weird
[08:23] <ogra> zenwhen: why do you have to start x ? doenst it run by default ?
[08:23] <Dennis_k> join #alleslinux
[08:23] <zenwhen> ogra
[08:23] <Dennis_k> oops
[08:24] <zenwhen> no
[08:24] <zenwhen> it doesnt
[08:24] <zenwhen> because it runs as a user
[08:24] <zenwhen> not as root
[08:24] <zenwhen> which I have already demonstrated does not work
[08:24] <zenwhen> Im trying to figure out why x cannot be run as a user
[08:25] <ogra> zenwhen: how exactly do you start it with startx ?
[08:25] <zenwhen> with startx
[08:25] <zenwhen> Whe I boot, x fails to load
[08:25] <zenwhen> if I do a "sudo startx" I can start x as root
[08:26] <zenwhen> any other attempt to start x or get into any type of x envronment with a non root user fails
[08:26] <ogra> zenwhen: what does: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:26] <zenwhen> startx gdm
[08:26] <zenwhen> no
[08:26] <zenwhen> starts gdm
[08:26] <zenwhen> when I try to log in as a user
[08:26] <zenwhen> it fails
[08:27] <ogra> zenwhen: got a .xsession in your homedir ?
[08:27] <zenwhen> Nothing that equals suing a graphical envoronment as a user works.
[08:27] <zenwhen> yes
[08:27] <cenerentola> ogra: hi my love
[08:27] <ogra> zenwhen: is something in it ?
[08:27] <zenwhen> wait
[08:27] <zenwhen> no i dont
[08:27] <zenwhen> not in the users homedir
[08:27] <ogra> cenerentola: hi, what happened ? seen your mail
[08:28] <zenwhen> I cant start an x session as a user
[08:28] <sch1fo> guys
[08:28] <cenerentola> ahh... well i smart-upgraded warty2warty
[08:28] <zenwhen> so it makes sense not to have a .xsession
[08:28] <sch1fo> how can i boot without starting x?
[08:28] <cenerentola> and all went drowning in the dark
[08:28] <sch1fo> cause i need to edit my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:28] <sch1fo> but x wont work when i boot up
[08:28] <sch1fo> always get a black screen
[08:28] <ogra> zenwhen: startx needs one, try: echo "xterm" >> .xsession
[08:29] <Matt|> sch1fo, after going black doesn't it go to the console?
[08:29] <sch1fo> no
[08:29] <Matt|> ouch
[08:29] <sch1fo> it just stops and gives me a black screen after "starting gnome"
[08:29] <sch1fo> cant do anything, when i press off button on pc, starts to reboot
[08:30] <cenerentola> matt: mind your gf cozzz. HERE WE ARE THE ASS-POUNDERS... na nannanaaa naaaaaaaaa
[08:30] <Matt|> sch1fo, are you able to edit any files at all?
[08:30] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, boot in runlevel 1
[08:30] <sch1fo> no
[08:30] <sch1fo> g3r, how
[08:30] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, he can't edit any files
[08:30] <sch1fo> how can i edit files when it goes to x automatically when it boots up
[08:31] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, reboot your machine, when grub appears press e
[08:31] <sch1fo> then what
[08:31] <Matt|> ok
[08:31] <ogra> zenwhen: if that doesnt work: mv .xsession .xinitrc
[08:31] <mjr> hmm, half-victory; DRI only works for me with a single-head configuration :/
[08:31] <sch1fo> then what
[08:31] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, then press e again and add 1, after that press b to boot that kernel in runlevel 1
[08:31] <Treenaks> mjr: didn't XINERAMA disable DRI only on old versions of X?
[08:32] <mjr> Treenaks, apparently it's a limitation of the radeon dri driver
[08:32] <sch1fo> did that, now its booting windows
[08:32] <Treenaks> mjr: too bad :(
[08:32] <mjr> "(WW) RADEON(0): Direct Rendering Disabled -- Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI at present.
[08:33] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, hehehe tell me what entries you have in grub
[08:33] <sch1fo> initially, i have fedora core, and windows
[08:33] <mjr> Treenaks, yeah, but could be worse... Can start another X server for games.
[08:33] <mjr> just can't irc at the same time ;I
[08:33] <sch1fo> then when i press e, i have rootnoverify(hd0,0) and chainloader +1
[08:33] <Treenaks> :P
[08:33] <Matt|> cenerentola, you can't go around calling yourself cindarella and talk about ass-pounders
[08:33] <Treenaks> mjr: or you could switch to Nethack
[08:34] <cenerentola> matt: aahhhaa ahaha aha ah a... not funny
[08:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, when in grub after reboot, look for a line like this: Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8-1.3-386 (or 686)
[08:34] <mjr> well, I _do_ mostly play 5 or more, which kinda doesn't require dri, but sometimes one wants a quick tuxracer ;)
[08:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, go to that line, press "e"
[08:34] <Treenaks> mjr: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html
[08:35] <sewoyl> I'm still stuck with my screen refresh rate problem! Ho w can I install the nv driver ??
[08:35] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, then look for a line like /vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 root=/dev/hda? ro quiet splash, press "e" again
[08:36] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, add to this line a number one at the end, press "enter" and then press "b"
[08:36] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, that's all ;)
[08:37] <Matt|> lol
[08:37] <Matt|> cenerentola, use my whole nick when replying to me, that way the line is highlighted
[08:39] <epod> Could someone help me out with setting up a nice splash screen for my boot up like the livecd has?  Is there some sort of package I need to install to have that?
[08:39] <Matt|> can someone recommend me a gallery making program?
[08:40] <Matt|> lodju - Photo organizer and web gallery maker
[08:40] <Matt|> gallery - a web-based photo album written in php
[08:40] <Matt|> galrey - Command line image gallery generator. It also makes thumbnails.
[08:40] <Matt|> igal - online image gallery generator
[08:40] <Matt|> those are the options
[08:40] <Treenaks> Matt|: gphoto can do it as well, in the gui
[08:40] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, thanks for the help, please stand by
[08:40] <Matt|> is it easy and nice and clean?
[08:40] <g3r4rd0> ok
[08:41] <jovian> why doesn't ubuntu appear on distrowatch anymore?
[08:41] <Matt|> jovian, it is there
[08:41] <Treenaks> Matt|: yes, try it, it's under graphics in the menu
[08:41] <Matt|> Treenaks, i need to install it methinks
[08:41] <Treenaks> Matt|: it's in a default ubunti unstall
[08:41] <Treenaks> ubuntu
[08:41] <Matt|> Treenaks, i guess i removed it
[08:42] <Treenaks> oh wait
[08:42] <Treenaks> gphoto i something else
[08:42] <Treenaks> *whistle*
[08:42] <Treenaks> it's gthumb, sorry
[08:42] <Matt|> k
[08:42] <jovian> im there now and its not appearing ive hit refresh several times
[08:42] <Treenaks> Matt|: it can also read from cameras and do basic operations (rotation, etc.) on the iamges
[08:43] <Treenaks> jovian: where are you?
[08:43] <Matt|> cool thanks Treenaks
[08:43] <jovian> looking at distro watch otherwise in minnesota usa
[08:44] <jovian> its not a big deal just thought I would see how its doing
[08:45] <Matt|> Treenaks, how is it done in gthumb?
[08:45] <jovian> if its there for the rest of you its good
[08:46] <Matt|> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[08:47] <Matt|> 16th most clicked
[08:47] <jovian> I got it finally don't know what was going on
[08:47] <jovian> thanks
[08:48] <epod> Can anyone tell me or direct me to instructions on how to get a nice splash screen during my boot up, instead of the text scroll?
[08:49] <Treenaks> Matt|: hmm, it used to be possibl
[08:49] <Treenaks> e
[08:49] <[mirak] > matt|, that is for the last 6 months........4 or 5th place for this month
[08:49] <Matt|> Treenaks, can't see anything
[08:50] <g3r4rd0> someone knew that kernel 2.6.8 has problems with burning cd's???
[08:51] <Treenaks> Matt|: I was looking just now, I think it has been removed :(
[08:51] <mjr> Treenaks, hmh, glxinfo says "Mesa DRI R200 20020827 AGP 1x TCL"; would you guess that a DRI upgrade would make the dual head dri work?
[08:51] <mjr> ...if the XFree contains a version from 2002
[08:51] <Treenaks> mjr: dunno, don't really know anything about dri
[08:52] <mjr> righto
[08:54] <mjr> might just try it, though my lazy ass hurts at the thought of compiling stuff (they don't seem to provide amd64 binaries...)
[08:54] <Matt|> how come when i open an xterm i can't use the up arrow to use commands from previous sessions? Can I change this?
[08:55] <zenwhen> hey
[08:55] <zenwhen> I got ubuntu installed and X going
[08:55] <zenwhen> but firefox wont run
[08:55] <[mirak] > that's odd.........frexh install?
[08:55] <zenwhen> unless i sudo it
[08:55] <zenwhen> I can run it as a user
[08:56] <[mirak] > is it the default install version....or did you install another?
[08:56] <Matt|> [mirak] , me?
[08:56] <[mirak] > Matt|, no......zenwhen
[08:56] <Matt|> k
[08:56] <zenwhen> its what came with warty
[08:56] <[mirak] > Matt|, why ...you have issues as well?
[08:56] <zenwhen> i havent installed anything as of yet
[08:56] <Matt|> a small one :)
[08:57] <[mirak] > Matt|, in a nwewb....but ill ty to help....shoot
[08:59] <zenwhen> arg
[08:59] <Matt|> how come when i open an xterm i can't use the up arrow to use commands from previous sessions? Can I change this?
[08:59] <zenwhen> it just wont open
[08:59] <zenwhen> unless i sudo
[08:59] <wimpy> hello
[09:00] <Treenaks> zenwhen: could you do "ls -l ~/.ICEauthority" ?
[09:00] <[mirak] > Matt|, your question about xterm??..........i cant really help.....but I don't think (dont THINK) that you can do that.......being as the session is clossed, not just minimiaed, or put to sleep......basically it is restarted
[09:00] <zenwhen> what
[09:00] <Matt|> damn sorry
[09:00] <Matt|> it is gnome-terminal i am using
[09:00] <zenwhen> Treenaks, is this for the firefox question?
[09:00] <Matt|> but in the past i have always been able to use the up arrow
[09:00] <zenwhen> I have x working now.
[09:00] <zenwhen> But firefox wont run as a user
[09:00] <Treenaks> zenwhen: ah ok...
[09:01] <zenwhen> It seem a lot of permissions stuff is messed up
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: and if you 'move aside' your .mozilla directory?
[09:01] <[mirak] > Matt|, I honestly don't know........that is just what I THINK
[09:01] <zenwhen> Ive had nothing but trouble with permissions since i got ubintu running
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: and check the output of 'ps ax' for firefox
[09:01] <zenwhen> move aside?
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: tht's strange, I haven't had any permission troubles
[09:01] <zenwhen> what do you mean by that
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: mv .mozilla .mozilla_outoftheway
[09:02] <Treenaks> basically, making ffox think it's been removed, but you can return it if necessary
[09:06] <g3r4rd0> zenwhen, find $HOME -user root, if there's a file that belongs to root, change it to be yours
[09:08] <AlohaWolf> is it possible to set up dual headedness on a Radeon 9200 without using the ATi Driver?
[09:09] <Scognito> hi all
[09:11] <Zimpee> i wrote my ubuntu to another disk. i says the same, problems with bsdutils and the base-system install. now?
[09:12] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, maybe i can help you, what's your problem?
[09:14] <Zimpee> i'vbe downloaded ubuntu 4.10 The Warty Warthog. wrote the cd from the ISO file, booted the disk. It said, that bsdutils cannot be found, maybe i burned the CD too fast. i wrote another disc, but the same problem i got
[09:14] <Zimpee> -b
[09:14] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, did you check the iso's md5?
[09:15] <Zimpee> didn't yet
[09:15] <Treenaks> try that
[09:15] <Treenaks> :)
[09:15] <q2> Scooby Smoke A Dooby Will Doo!
[09:15] <cyrus-tc> Zimpee, vmware?
[09:15] <Zimpee> [how to in windows?]
[09:16] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, check the md5 in windows you ask??
[09:16] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, i dunno
[09:16] <Zimpee> :)
[09:16] <Zimpee> not vmware
[09:17] <bugz_> hello all
[09:17] <g3r4rd0> hello
[09:17] <Zimpee> hi
[09:17] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, i dont know what the problem is
[09:17] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, what happened?
[09:18] <sch1fo> just opened /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:18] <sch1fo> and it is set to driver "nv"
[09:18] <sch1fo> and identifier is my correct video card
[09:18] <sch1fo> but i still cant boot up in x
[09:18] <sch1fo> everytime it boots up I get a black screen right after it says "starting gnome display manager"
[09:18] <Matt|> for anyone asking themselves whether I found a nice gallery creator: galrey is awesome
[09:19] <g3r4rd0> mmm use lynx and mutt from now on...hehe just kidding...
[09:19] <Treenaks> Matt|: I'm still going for my own home-brew CGI script, but that's just vanity :P
[09:19] <Treenaks> Matt|: http://foodfight.org/download/photo
[09:19] <bugz_> i got trouble installing ubuntu in my box. can anyone give me the entry of ubuntu in grub file... pls
[09:19] <[mirak] > matt|, what do you mean by gallery?...like a photo gallery?
[09:20] <Xenguy> Hi... given that Ubuntu runs Gnome by default, is there a minimum (or recommended) hardware requirement?
[09:20] <[mirak] > Matt|, if so......photoshop has a pretty nice photo gallery creator..........if that is available to you
[09:20] <ficusplanet> Xenguy, 256MB RAM, ~300Mhz CPU is what I would recommend
[09:21] <Xenguy> ficusplanet: tx
[09:21] <[mirak] > xenguy, you can get away with less ream than that
[09:21] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, i dunno much about configuring X, sorry
[09:21] <Treenaks> Xenguy: on my 192M, 600MHz laptop it runs smoothly
[09:21] <[mirak] > xenguy, also xfce4 is apt-getable
[09:21] <bugz_> anybody... pls!
[09:21] <hapo> is ubuntu lighter than fedora?
[09:21] <Treenaks> Xenguy: but I wouldn't go <350MHz myself
[09:21] <ficusplanet> hapo, yeah
[09:21] <hapo> imo fedora is too bloated
[09:21] <Treenaks> bugz_: just use the installer CD
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> title		Ubuntu, kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> root		(hd0,0)
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> kernel		/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> initrd		/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> savedefault
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> boot
[09:22] <hapo> what about localization support? does it have e.g. the finnish l10n packages for gnome?
[09:22] <Treenaks> hapo: all languages for gnome are included afaik
[09:22] <bugz_> Treenaks: i just need to add it up in my mandrake grub
[09:22] <Treenaks> even for OOo if available
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> bugz_, that's what you needed??
[09:22] <hapo> i have a member in my family that doesn't understand english much
[09:22] <Treenaks> and maybe even for the 'zilla family
[09:22] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: thanks a lot
[09:22] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, you're the only one who has a clue, you have to help me
[09:23] <hapo> Treenaks: but some things in the gnome ui seem to have been modified for ubuntu. have they been translated?
[09:23] <Zimpee> hm
[09:23] <Treenaks> hapo: don't know
[09:23] <Zimpee> md5 sums doesn't match
[09:23] <hapo> for me it's all the same but for the other person this matters quite much :)
[09:23] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, bingo!!
[09:23] <Zimpee> yeah g3r4rd0 :)
[09:24] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, ok... gimme a sec
[09:24] <Matt|> omg
[09:24] <Matt|> fedora is like "recommended 256MB RAM"
[09:24] <Zimpee> another question: on the official site, under warty-release-install-i386.iso is the latest? (RC?)
[09:24] <Zimpee> ahh
[09:24] <Zimpee> so i can't speak
[09:24] <Zimpee> under that name
[09:24] <hapo> Matt|: and what is the requirement for ubuntu then?
[09:24] <sch1fo> thanks
[09:24] <Matt|> Zimpee, warty is the latest and only
[09:25] <Zimpee> aren't there any RC-s?
[09:25] <Matt|> Zimpee, you can update when the install is done
[09:25] <Zimpee> right
[09:25] <Matt|> Zimpee, it asks you if you want to
[09:25] <Zimpee> thanks for all
[09:25] <Zimpee> bye
[09:25] <Matt|> hapo, dunno
[09:25] <Matt|> but fedora is far too heavy
[09:25] <camden> good morning everyone.
[09:25] <Matt|> hapo, i'm sure you'll be fine on 128 or even less
[09:26] <iz> good evening camden
[09:26] <hapo> ok
[09:26] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: what is that savedefault come from? (is that save file)?
[09:27] <camden> iz: still 11:26 am here.
[09:27] <iz> 21.27 here :)
[09:27] <[mirak] > hapo, don't forget that you don't have to use gnome, if you are low on ram try a different WM (dm....havent quite figure out the difference yet)
[09:27] <Matt|> display manager just starts your session
[09:27] <hapo> [mirak] : i'm not low on ram but i still dislike bloatness quite much
[09:27] <Matt|> hapo, do you use icewm?
[09:28] <hapo> maybe i shouldn't have to but fedora is a waste of memory :)
[09:28] <Matt|> lovely and slim, but great
[09:28] <mirak> help me
[09:28] <mirak> lol
[09:28] <camden> i'm bored. any fun projects you all could suggest I play with?
[09:28] <hapo> maybe i should try that
[09:28] <mirak> I am in xchat-text mode
[09:28] <mirak> I have a problem with gnome
[09:28] <mirak> it won't start
[09:28] <Matt|> lol
[09:28] <[mirak] > Matt|, thnx...but I meant DE.....i don't really know the diff between a DE and  WM
[09:28] <Matt|> error?
[09:28] <camden> iz: where are you at?
[09:28] <Matt|> how many miraks are there in here?
[09:28] <hapo> if anyone can give me enlighten me about ubuntu's translation support, i would be delighted.
[09:28] <camden> asia?
[09:28] <mirak> in fact the real problem is that I have n loopback interface
[09:28] <Matt|> are you two people?
[09:28] <iz> camden, netherlands, europe
[09:28] <[mirak] > Matt|, just 2 of us
[09:28] <g3r4rd0> bugz_, it is supposed to force reboot in the previous configuration, i dunno how it works
[09:29] <camden> iz: neato. I'm in alaska, USA
[09:29] <Matt|> oh god that is confusing
[09:29] <g3r4rd0> bugz_, that's what grub documentation says
[09:29] <mirak> Matt no, he is dumb to take a similar pseudonyme, but we managed to have an agreemant
[09:29] <Matt|> mirak, have you rebooted
[09:29] <Matt|> lol
[09:29] <mirak> no I don't
[09:29] <Matt|> if not, try /etc/init.d/network restart
[09:29] <mirak> should I reboot ?
[09:29] <mirak> ok
[09:29] <Matt|> you will lose connection
[09:30] <camden> oops, gotta run, folks. see you all later.
[09:30] <mirak> still no loopback
[09:30] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: where can i find that docs?
[09:30] <mirak> I guess I must add it in /etc/network/interface or something
[09:30] <g3r4rd0> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[09:30] <mirak> &
[09:31] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: thanks again bro.
[09:31] <g3r4rd0> ;) ok
[09:31] <mirak> mmm sorry, I don't even know in wich chanel I am, I see two channel output
[09:31] <Matt|> Mirak is it not in there?
[09:31] <epod> Can anyone tell me or direct me to instructions on how to get a nice splash screen during my boot up, instead of the text scroll?
[09:31] <Matt|> /etc/network/interface?
[09:31] <Matt|> epod, awwww
[09:31] <epod> Matt|, :(
[09:31] <mirak> Matt I see the outpu
[09:31] <Matt|> you don't need that stuff
[09:31] <mirak> Matt yes
[09:32] <Matt|> mirak, you should have lo in /etc/network/interface
[09:32] <epod> Matt|, yes I do!
[09:32] <Matt|> auto lo
[09:32] <Matt|> iface lo inet loopback
[09:32] <Matt|> does ubuntu have a splash screen?
[09:32] <mirak> could you give me the line to add loopback ?
[09:32] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, try this: DEBUG_XFREE86_PACKAGE=yes XF86FORCEPROBE=yes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:33] <ys> hey
[09:33] <sch1fo> where exactly though
[09:33] <daniels> Matt|: not yet, hoary, in the faq, etc
[09:33] <Matt|> kewl
[09:33] <hapo> is there a web page where i can look at what packages are included in ubuntu?
[09:33] <Matt|> hapo, yes there is
[09:33] <daniels> sch1fo: specifically, DEBUG_XFREE86_PACKAGE=yes XF86FORCEPROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:33] <Matt|> hang on
[09:33] <epod> Matt|, the livecd does
[09:33] <hapo> thanks
[09:33] <daniels> hapo: not really yet, but 'everything' is a pretty decent approximation
[09:33] <g3r4rd0> hapo, http:/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:34] <hapo> ok
[09:34] <epod> Matt|, and I want it! My friends all mock me for my ugly text startup ;)
[09:34] <Matt|> daniels, there is one
[09:34] <sch1fo> daniels, g3r4rd0, command line?
[09:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, yes
[09:34] <Matt|> lol
[09:34] <sch1fo> k
[09:34] <Matt|> epod, change friends
[09:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, and dont forget sudo, like daniels says ;)
[09:34] <daniels> sch1fo: yah
[09:34] <epod> Matt|, I think it's easier to get the splash screen.
[09:34] <sch1fo> k
[09:34] <mirak> [5~[5~
[09:34] <epod> but no-one here seems to have any idea how to do it
[09:34] <mirak> help
[09:34] <epod> heh
[09:35] <Matt|> damn where is that package list
[09:35] <daniels> Matt|: are you thinking of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Contents-i386.gz ?
[09:35] <daniels> epod: it's not written yet, but it will be done for hoary
[09:35] <Matt|> daniels, bob2 made a list and posted it today
[09:35] <Matt|> but forgot to add a link to the faq
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: hello!
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: new radeon driver, http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/radeon_drv.o
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: should work with just plain usefwpll -- please try various combinations of that and usefbdev
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: might make things better, hopefully shouldn't make anything worse
[09:37] <sch1fo> i dont think i have a password set for root
[09:37] <ys> how come i didn't set a root password in the install for ubuntu?
[09:37] <sch1fo> never asked me during install
[09:37] <ys> how can i become root?
[09:37] <shaver> sudo
[09:37] <Matt|> daniels, not sure if you saw/answered my question earlier, as i got abruptly disconnected. What version of xorg are you working on, latest one?
[09:37] <ys> sudo isn't working
[09:37] <Matt|> hapo for the time being: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/ubuntu_packages.txt
[09:37] <daniels> pitti: Option "DynamicClocks" will also give you a shitload of battery life
[09:37] <daniels> Matt|: 6.8.1, yah
[09:38] <Matt|> daniels, k thanks
[09:38] <Matt|> ys why isn't sudo working? what is the error?
[09:38] <epod> daniels, oh ok
[09:38] <daniels> pitti: maybe forcing Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,CRT" (or maybe TMDS,CRT) will let you hotplug a monitor
[09:38] <daniels> Matt|: fabbione and I have a set of working packages, but they just need some more testing and love first ... we are hoping for a public release within the next few days, stay tuned
[09:39] <Matt|> daniels, i will you can be sure :)
[09:39] <Matt|> i won't update to hoary until you release em
[09:39] <Matt|> but I am also willing to wait :)
[09:39] <daniels> pitti: so yeah, give that a play and drop me a /msg (so it doesn't get lost in scrollback) with any feedback :) hopefully the new fwpll stuff (pulls values for the second pll also) works good
[09:39] <ys> it's not giving me an error, sorry
[09:39] <Matt|> ys: type sudo -s and then enter your USER password
[09:40] <ys> Matt| may i message you quickly please?
[09:40] <daniels> ah, rsync's actually finished now.  i'm going to stop making a liar of myself and leave.  'night all.
[09:40] <Matt|> daniels, is there any chance of getting someone to make an nvu package for ubuntu?
[09:40] <Matt|> ys, sure
[09:40] <Matt|> daniels, is there a request page?
[09:41] <NewComer> how can I prevent Gnome from mounting my CDs and DVDs?
[09:42] <bwlang> Matt|: i just installed nvu on a mac ... it was pretty buggy... fails to upload bkgrnd images, loses images periodically ... i'm not sure if it's better for linux but i can't recommend it.
[09:42] <g3r4rd0> NewComer, Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable media... i think
[09:42] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, does it work in nautilus-cd-burner
[09:42] <bugz_> NewComer: remove it in your /etc/fstab
[09:43] <Matt|> bwlang, ok thanks for telling me
[09:43] <Matt|> bwlang, i still wanna try it out tho
[09:43] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, mmm i didnt test it there... just using cdrecord in the command line
[09:43] <hojit> I am intrested in ubuntu and want to get peoples oppenions on the sata support
[09:43] <bwlang> Matt|: can't hurt to try it...
[09:43] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, give it a try. Was the speed the problem?
[09:44] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, that's exactly the problem, it says speed=346.5x
[09:44] <bwlang> hojit: sata is in the kernel... so i don't think its support will vary by distribution.
[09:44] <bwlang> hojit: since warty uses a recent kernel i suspect it'll work fint.
[09:44] <hojit> well it would becouse what moduals would be loaded
[09:44] <bwlang> s/fint/fine/
[09:45] <hojit> i have had issue with the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[09:45] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, try nautilus
[09:45] <NewComer> g3r4rd0, thx
[09:45] <ubll> I have a problem.
[09:45] <hojit> the 2.6.7
[09:45] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, i don't know cdrecord but i believe it accepts a "speed" argumnt
[09:45] <hojit> seems to work better
[09:45] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, ok, thxs
[09:45] <ubll> Ubuntu has suddenly stopped detecting my PCI sound card.
[09:45] <Matt|> nooooooo
[09:46] <bwlang> hojit: i'm not 100% sure but it don't think it makes any sense to load a low level driver like for a hard drive  as a module... anybody have a link with the warty kernel .config ?
[09:46] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, yes it does, but the problem persists
[09:46] <ubll> If I use the command "modprobe snd-cmipci" sound will work.
[09:46] <ubll> What and why??
[09:46] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, i will try nautilus now
[09:46] <hypa7ia> hey boys and girls, i'm tying to help a friend install ubuntu on an older thinkpad.  knoppix and ubuntu live boot fine, but the warty install chokes on the base install with "no logical volumes found" around 1/3 of the way through.  is this likely a hardware issue?  we tried booting vga=771 noapic nolapic
[09:46] <hypa7ia> (sorry about the flood :-) )
[09:47] <SuperQ> hrm
[09:47] <SuperQ> sounds like a problem with the drive in the machine
[09:47] <ubll> Anyone know what I should do about this?
[09:47] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: how "old" is it?
[09:47] <hypa7ia> that's what we were thinking... likely cdrom... it is an older machine and all
[09:47] <SuperQ> no
[09:48] <SuperQ> hard drive
[09:48] <hypa7ia> SuperQ: it's a T20, so prolly 5 yrs?
[09:48] <hypa7ia> P3, 700
[09:48] <SuperQ> if live works, but install doesn't.. it's a hard drive problem
[09:48] <SuperQ> yea
[09:48] <hypa7ia> ahh, an excellent point
[09:48] <Striss> have you tried running fdisk and destroying the partitions?
[09:48] <SuperQ> I have a T21
[09:48] <hypa7ia> cuz it had mandrake 10 fine, and an install of 10.1 failed...
[09:48] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: yea.. if you don't care about the data on it.. try "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1024"
[09:49] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: from a knoppix CD
[09:49] <hypa7ia> arrighty
[09:49] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: that will totaly wipe the boot sector, and partition table
[09:49] <hypa7ia> cool
[09:49] <SuperQ> should be nice and clean
[09:49] <SuperQ> you also may want to run badblocks on it
[09:49] <NewComer> can't umount the cd coz device is busy and right clicking on the desktop icon and chosing eject doesn't work either
[09:49] <SuperQ> see if it's going bad
[09:49] <hypa7ia> cool
[09:50] <SuperQ> read the man page for badblocks.. it might give you a clue
[09:50] <hypa7ia> yeah, that makes sense, with the previous install working and then MDK 10.1 not working
[09:50] <jcole> after alot of agonizing googling i can't figure out how to install the sun java sdk 1.5 deb... anyone know how to this?
[09:50] <SuperQ> yea.. do you get any DMA errors?
[09:50] <ubll> Ubuntu isn't finding my PCI sound card. If I type in "modprobe snd-cmipci" then sound will work. Why is this? How can I make it detect it on boot? And why the heck did it just suddenly start doing it??
[09:50] <epod> How do I change my default program for opening .ogg files from totem-xine to xmms?
[09:51] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, somewhere i read that there's a problem with kernel 2.6.8 and burning cds
[09:51] <ubll> epod: right click on the .ogg file and choose "open with" and type in xmms
[09:51] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, maybe, but i have not had problems
[09:51] <epod> ubll, I did that... the next one I clicked still opened with totem
[09:51] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, no luck with nautilus?
[09:51] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, nop
[09:51] <zenwhen> You know... Ubuntu is pretty rokkin 8)
[09:51] <hypa7ia> SuperQ: no dma errors, no
[09:51] <hypa7ia> zenwhen: agreed!
[09:52] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, can you gimme your /etc/default/cdrecord file??
[09:52] <zenwhen> Once I got past the annyance of it not liking dilaup or my GF6800
[09:52] <epod> ok, I got it to work now
[09:52] <zenwhen> Its a-ok
[09:52] <ubll> epod, great
[09:53] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, still doesnt work, this is bad
[09:53] <ubll> Could someone help me with my sound card issue?
[09:53] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, when i install fedora on this same laptop, it works fine, boots into x windows
[09:53] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, what if i install fedora, and then copy the Xconfig file, and then reinstall ubuntu, and overwrite the xconfig file
[09:54] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, fedora uses xorg, ubuntu uses xfree86
[09:54] <sch1fo> shit
[09:54] <sch1fo> cant i use ubuntu with xorg
[09:54] <hypa7ia> soon, when it gets into hoary
[09:54] <sch1fo> why not now
[09:55] <jordi> sch1fo: well, they are working on the migration
[09:55] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, pm
[09:55] <Matt|> patience child
[09:55] <sch1fo> well what if i use this guy's file: http://www.mikehardy.net/linux_latitude_d800/XF86Config
[09:55] <Matt|> although you can use your xorg.conf to help you when setting up your XF86COnfig-4
[09:55] <ubll> Ubuntu has suddenly stopped detecting my sound card. I've made no changed to my system at all. If I type in "modprobe snd-cmipci" my sound will start working. How can I fix this?
[09:56] <Matt|> ubll, the hotplug script is working properly?
[09:56] <ubll> Matt} Yes
[09:56] <Matt|> ubll, you can add that module to /etc/modules i guess
[09:56] <ubll> It has also stopped working with other distros. But it works fine in windows
[09:56] <epod> ubll, add snd-cmipci to /etc/modules
[09:56] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, ok thanks... mine looks exact the same, it is atapi your cdrw??
[09:56] <jcole> never mind, i think i've got it... apt-get source sunjdk1.5... the using the binary, repackage
[09:57] <ubll> Ok thanks guys
[09:57] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, dunno i haven't really used it yet
[09:57] <Matt|> atapi i think
[09:57] <epod> curse the lack of eyecandy splash screen on an otherwise flawless distro!
[09:57] <jcole> ubll: other distros quit working too?
[09:57] <Matt|> epod, stop whinging
[09:57] <ubll> jcole: Yes but they work with the "modprobe snd-cmipci" command
[09:57] <epod> Matt|, but it's fun :D ah well, ok
[09:57] <Matt|> lol
[09:58] <Matt|> :p
[09:58] <kstraka> hey guys, how do enable the root user?  I need to do something in which sudo won't do the job
[09:58] <ubll> The whole thing is confusing
[09:58] <g3r4rd0> sudo passwd root
[09:58] <don-o> is there a page that will help me determine if this old PowerPC 9500 will run Ubuntu?
[09:58] <zack_> hey I have a question
[09:59] <zack_> sorry if I am interrupting anything
[09:59] <Matt|> kstraka, what do you need to do?
[09:59] <ubll> jcole, any ideas?
[09:59] <kstraka> I'm running a shell script that +
[09:59] <Matt|> zack_, nope
[09:59] <Matt|> sudo is not good enough?
[09:59] <Matt|> it gives you the same permissions no?
[09:59] <ogra> zack_: they wont let you interrupt, they'll just answer inbetween ;)
[09:59] <kstraka> Matt: I'm running a shell script that changes the owner on a bunch of files, and it gives me a bunch of crap if I don't actually do it from the root account
[10:00] <Matt|> kstraka, have you tried "sudo -s"
[10:00] <kstraka> What's the -s switch do?
[10:00] <Matt|> gives you root
[10:00] <Matt|> try it, without any other command
[10:01] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ sudo -s
[10:01] <Matt|> root@kallisto:~ #
[10:01] <kstraka> ah, thanks.  Sorry for the nweb question.
[10:01] <ubll> or just open a root terminal
[10:01] <zack_> ok, I just downloaded the .gz of xMule and I want to install it. When I do the shell installation it tells me to copy libwx_gtk-2.4.so to usr/lib and I dont have the permisiion to write do the folder. How do I get the root permissions to write to files?
[10:01] <ubll> open root terminal and type in nautilus
[10:01] <ubuntu-geek> ok got a font question... is it best to set the DPI in the gnome font settints equal to the out put of "xdpyinfo | grep dots" ?
[10:02] <kstraka> hmm, that wasn't it.  It's claiming that "root.apache" is not a valid group.....hmmm
[10:02] <Matt|> zack_, but there is a package built for ubuntu for xmule
[10:02] <ogra> zack_: there is a ubuntu package for xmule !
[10:02] <ogra> Matt|: ;)
[10:02] <zack_> oooo
[10:02] <zack_> ok
[10:02] <zack_> sorry then
[10:02] <zack_> thanks!
[10:02] <epod> I wish k3b worked properly in gnome
[10:02] <epod> how am I to burn audiocds or video dvds. :/
[10:02] <zack_> apt-get install xmule ?
[10:02] <Matt|> zack_, if you wanna search: do "apt-cache search package"
[10:02] <Matt|> zack_, yup :)
[10:02] <ogra> Matt|: you will win until i got the burner autodetect working ;)
[10:02] <zack_> thanks matt!
[10:02] <Matt|> epod, xcdroast does audio cds i think
[10:02] <homeas> hi.  I can't get a java plugin to work in ubuntu.  there are five directories in /usr/lib/moz*/plugins, all of them contain symlinks to one of the java plugins, but about:plugins doesn't show them even though strace shows it is accessing the files.
[10:02] <kstraka> zack Matt: I was using apt-file search, and it said that didn;t exist.  No wonder....
[10:03] <Matt|> ogra, no, as you know more answers
[10:03] <epod> Matt|, what about video dvds? hm.
[10:03] <homeas> anyone an idea ?
[10:03] <Matt|> epod, haven't tried it
[10:03] <epod> k
[10:03] <Matt|> i don't have a dvdr
[10:03] <ficusplanet> epod, and rhythmbox cvs has easy-to-use cd burning.
[10:03] <epod> hm ok
[10:03] <ogra> Matt|: but i'm inattentive.... good chance ;)
[10:04] <[mirak] > Matt|, I coulda swore you were leaving?
[10:04] <Matt|> nope
[10:04] <Matt|> [mirak] , didn't you go to work?
[10:04] <Matt|> it's evenin here
[10:04] <Matt|> i'm not going anyplace
[10:05] <SmokingFire> ficusplanet: does it also have cd ripping?
[10:05] <[mirak] > Matt|, ive been at work all day.......i just thought you said you were going....to bed, something.....idk..sorry
[10:05] <ficusplanet> Well, sound-juicer is integrated with it to an extent.
[10:05] <zack_> hey guys... sorry.
[10:05] <zack_> i have another problem
[10:06] <ficusplanet> SmokingFire, There is also a burning patch floating around for muine.
[10:06] <zack_> When i sudo apt-get install xmule it says it cannot be found
[10:06] <zack_> I did the update too
[10:06] <Matt|> zack_, you need more repositories maybe
[10:06] <zack_> how do i do that?
[10:06] <Matt|> edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment universe
[10:06] <g3r4rd0> zack_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:07] <SmokingFire> ficusplanet: well, I'm not looking for burning. Just nice ripping like ripping and playing at the seem time, more settings for codecs however not as advanced (or tedious) as grip.
[10:07] <SmokingFire> Just nice Ripping like Itunes, real and other major win app....
[10:08] <Matt|> ugh
[10:08] <zack_> do I just take universe of of the repositories?
[10:08] <epod> What's this about 2.6.8 having a memory leak that makes writing audio cd's impossible?
[10:08] <Matt|> zack_ take away the # in front of the universe lines
[10:08] <zack_> k
[10:09] <zack_> ughhh.... it wont let me
[10:09] <Matt|> is there a page which explains how to make an ubuntu package from source
[10:09] <Matt|> zack_, as root
[10:09] <zack_> how do I get root?
[10:09] <cyrus-tc> zack_, sudo
[10:09] <ficusplanet> SmokingFire, You might want to check out goobox or sound-juicer-2 (once rburton gets to work on it).
[10:09] <Matt|> i like grip :)
[10:09] <cyrus-tc> "sudo su -" or "sudo <insert your command here>" ;)
[10:09] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:10] <zack_> thanks
[10:13] <keknehv> How do I activate the root account after I install ubuntu?
[10:14] <zack_> is there a way to login as root so I can change it?
[10:15] <keknehv> grrrr... I don't have the root password, even though I installed this thing!
[10:15] <Matt|> keknehv, no need: you can use sudo to get root
[10:15] <CraHan> hi, anyone here who uses ubuntu on an ibook?
[10:15] <Matt|> keknehv, the password is the password of the first user you made
[10:15] <CraHan> it all works fine, except that I can't find the correct keyboard layout in X
[10:15] <ys> what is a direct connect client i can use w/ ubuntu?
[10:15] <Matt|> direct connect?
[10:15] <Espectro> hi, i ordered 10 of those free warty cd's
[10:16] <keknehv> but it is asking me for a password in sudo
[10:16] <Espectro> when do they start shipping?
[10:16] <[mirak] > soon
[10:16] <eruditus> Hi - My menus don't update automatically when I install apps using Synaptic. How can I update the menus manually?
[10:16] <ficusplanet> keknehv, you user's password
[10:16] <ficusplanet> eruditus, killall gnome-panel
[10:16] <Espectro> [mirak] , will we be notified by email?
[10:16] <eruditus> (I don't mean right-clicking ... There has to be a command-line command to do that...)
[10:16] <keknehv> OHHH...
[10:16] <ys> Matt| - it's a file sharing program, we have a server @ my school that uses it
[10:16] <Matt|> Espectro, it takes 2 weeks
[10:16] <[mirak] > Espectro, I would assume by snail mail...when they show at your door
[10:16] <Matt|> ys, what is the server
[10:16] <eruditus> ficusplanet, you're kidding, right?
[10:16] <ys> download right from people's computers.  it's so fast
[10:16] <Matt|> Espectro, check the topic
[10:16] <ficusplanet> eruditus, nope
[10:17] <ys> can only access it if you're on the network
[10:17] <zack_> what command do I need to use to edit my sources.list
[10:17] <ys> it's ruxan.com
[10:17] <ys> you can check the website
[10:17] <Matt|> ys, there are so many file serving progs
[10:17] <eruditus> ficusplanet, what, so I end all the processes of the gnome panel just to get my menus?
[10:17] <Matt|> zack_, maybe better to use the GUI
[10:17] <ubll> zack_ you can use "nano" in the terminal
[10:17] <ubll> lol or not
[10:17] <ficusplanet> eruditus, it restarts when you kill it.
[10:17] <Matt|> zack_, you can use computer --> system config --> synaptic
[10:17] <Matt|> or nano as ubll says
[10:17] <[mirak] > zack_, or sudo gedit <path to the file>
[10:18] <zack_> thanks
[10:18] <eruditus> ficusplanet, ok. So, say I just installed Lyx - that would then show up in the menus? Also - can I do this from the root console?
[10:18] <epod> Is it true that kernel 2.6.8 has a memory leak that makes writing audio cd's impossible?
[10:19] <ficusplanet> I'm not sure if lyx would go in the GNOME menu, but yes, you can kill the panel from the root console.
[10:19] <ubll> epod, I somehow doubd that
[10:19] <ubll> doubt^
[10:19] <Matt|> eruditus, unfortunately there are many programs in ubuntu which do not get added automatically to the gnome menu
[10:19] <epod> ubll, the k3b site claims such is the case :/
[10:19] <santo_> epod, i think so
[10:19] <Matt|> eruditus, on the plus side, you can add them manually
[10:19] <ubll> epod, really :(
[10:19] <CraHan> dang it...
[10:19] <epod> So the default kernel for warty is all broken :(
[10:19] <eruditus> Matt|, *sigh* - the thing I'm trying to avoid...
[10:19] <ficusplanet> epod, I've written audio cds with 2.6.8.  Just need to be root.
[10:19] <zack_> alright, i took the #'s out of all of the universe things and this is my error message E: Type 'Uncomment' is not known on line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <zack_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[10:19] <Matt|> epod, maybe it was solved in <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:20] <CraHan> don't think ubuntu PPC has a keyboard layout on board for a be-latin1 keyboard on an ibook
[10:20] <CraHan> kinda annoying
[10:20] <ys> does anyone know a direct connect client for ubuntu?
[10:20] <epod> ficusplanet, Hm. I see.
[10:20] <eruditus> Matt|, just had problems with adding Koffice to the menus - manually. Took ages...
[10:20] <Matt|> zack_, delete the word "uncomment"
[10:20] <ys> is ubuntu debian based?
[10:20] <Matt|> zack_, i used that descriptively
[10:20] <ficusplanet> ys, yeah, read the faq
[10:20] <Matt|> ys yup
[10:20] <ubll> ys, Can you not use the regular old "direct connect" client
[10:20] <epod> ficusplanet, so if I install k3b, I'm going to want to chmod +s it? (iirc..)
[10:21] <ficusplanet> epod, yeah
[10:21] <ubll> what does "iirc" mean?
[10:21] <ficusplanet> if i remember correctly
[10:21] <ubll> thank you
[10:21] <mirak> [mirak]  each time somebody prompt you, I am called, that's annoying
[10:21] <santo_> ficusplanet, like sudo cdrecord ..., i tried that and didnt work
[10:21] <ficusplanet> santo_, works for me, sorry
[10:21] <CervAnteZ> hi all
[10:22] <santo_> why i cant change my nick to g3r4rd0?????
[10:22] <CervAnteZ> Please help, nothing works anymore since i installed gnome-volume-manager(and more importantly UDEV)!
[10:22] <Matt|> CraHan, if it doesn't, file a bug and hopefully they will add it
[10:22] <CraHan> well I found one that's rather close
[10:22] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, What do you mean "since you installed them"?  They are default.
[10:22] <CraHan> just a few keys missing
[10:23] <fissy> hi, coming from gentoo what are the equivalents of "rc-status" and "rc-update add service default"
[10:23] <Matt|> lol
[10:23] <Matt|> fissy, i have been doing it manually
[10:23] <mirak> is there a way to graphically add partitions in fstab ?
[10:23] <fissy> manually?
[10:23] <Matt|> fissy, making links in rc2.d for startup
[10:23] <fissy> oh right
[10:23] <mirak> fissy: auto
[10:24] <fissy> auto?
[10:24] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, i installed ubuntu using debootstrap
[10:24] <mirak> I tried install qtparted but there is a dependency problem
[10:24] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, What do you mean by "nothing works"?
[10:24] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, wont boot up completely anymore
[10:24] <ficusplanet> completely?
[10:24] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, mount gives segfaults all over
[10:25] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, lots of rc script failures
[10:25] <fissy> Matt|, i guess manually works, though not ideal imo. to stop postfix loading at boot (why why why?) i would delete the symlink from rc2.d?
[10:25] <Matt|> fissy, no not ideal
[10:26] <Matt|> fissy, i would remove the postfix program if i were you
[10:26] <Matt|> apt-get remove postfix
[10:26] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, Well, that has nothing to do with g-v-m for sure.  Could be/probably is udev related.
[10:26] <fissy> thats a fair idea, but not the solution Matt| ;-)
[10:26] <Matt|> fissy, i agree
[10:26] <Matt|> fissy, i believe there is no other way than those two
[10:26] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, i know, is there a way to reverse whatever the udev package does on installation?
[10:27] <Matt|> the idea is that people don't need to remove rc.d entries
[10:27] <Matt|> i guess
[10:28] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, If I remember correctly there is a safe/recovery mode on the boot menu?  Did you try booting into it?  If not, try using it and removing udev, I suppose.
[10:29] <Matt|> does checkinstall check dependencies?
[10:29] <Matt|> fissy, :(
[10:29] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, i am talking to you using knoppix, i already purged the udev package, but no success, plus i am unable to reinstall it, since apt-get install wont work without proc
[10:30] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, I'm not sure how I would proceed then.  It seems the easiest route is just a reinstall.  Do you have the capability to install without debootstrap?
[10:31] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, not really because i cannot use the cdburner because i cannot remove the knoppix cd :-)
[10:31] <dialtone> if I replace warty with hoary in sources.list and do a dist-upgrade will I move to hoary?
[10:31] <ficusplanet> dialtone, yes
[10:32] <jcole> how does one tell *why* a package is marked as broken?
[10:32] <dialtone> should I replace warty with hoary also with universe? (I also heard about multiverse, what is that?)
[10:33] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, Hmm.  I would personally just find a friend with a nice internet connection and a burner.  ;)
[10:36] <[mirak] > CervAnteZ, where do you live?...i guess I could send you a cd this weekend
[10:36] <[mirak] > CervAnteZ, as long as you are in the us
[10:37] <ys> i want to change my apt-get download server. can anyone help?
[10:38] <[mirak] > does ubuntu have "net-select"???...thats the only way I know how
[10:39] <[mirak] > ys, try "sudo net select"....but I have no idea if it will work or not..i am on windows box atm..or I would test it
[10:39] <CervAnteZ> [mirak] , thank you, thats very nice, but since i live in Austria it would take quite a while to get here :-)
[10:39] <lt_kije> the package is called netselect (no space)
[10:40] <lt_kije> should be able to apt-get it
[10:40] <lt_kije> there's also netselect-apt; dunno the difference, really.
[10:40] <fissy> Matt|, i've marked postfix for removal, it wants to remove a load of other stuff including 'ubuntu base'
[10:40] <[mirak] > lt_kije, iwas close.....sorry...im anewb...did my best
[10:40] <lt_kije> :-)
[10:41] <Matt|> fissy, it's fine
[10:41] <Matt|> fissy, i've removed it
[10:41] <dialtone> fine, I like ubuntu
[10:41] <huhmz> Need help configuring an SMB printer, i get this as status message "Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...foomatic-rip version $Revision: <IP_ADDRESS> $ running..." the shared printer is there, i can see it with smbclient -L familjen
[10:41] <Matt|> ubuntu-base is just meta-package
[10:41] <dialtone> I went away from debian, to go to gentoo, then, after a year and a half moved to freebsd, since today, in 30 minutes ubuntu was up and running and now updating to hoary
[10:42] <fissy> ok, there are half a dozen other packages though.... i guess i don't really need mutt hough
[10:42] <hectorvs> huhmz: im having a prob too, gnome-cups-manager just crashes on me every time i try to set up a printer...
[10:42] <dialtone> great
[10:42] <huhmz> hectorvs: do you know if one needs SAMBA running on the client (ubuntu) or something like that?
[10:43] <hectorvs> i dont know, actually
[10:44] <ficusplanet> Does anybody know if reiser4 will be supported or at least included in hoary?
[10:44] <Deep7> can anyone comment on how to combat hi IO-Wait percentages is in Top? ie +80% sometimes
[10:46] <huhmz> Deep7: reduce disk load?
[10:47] <huhmz> if encrypted partitions are used that adds to it as well
[10:49] <Calvin> hi all , a quick question.. i am having trouble with my S3 Prosavage Graphics card in XF86 on ubuntu. I read the bug report on the homepage and it says get this upload : Fix with xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu24 upload. .... question is .. where do i get it ???
[10:53] <huhmz> hectorvs: i get that crash now as well!
[10:53] <huhmz> progress!
[10:53] <_case> is ndiswrapper in the apt repos?
[10:54] <lt_kije> ndiswrapper-utils is...
[10:55] <lt_kije> "user space tools for ndiswrapper"...
[10:55] <_case> yep
[10:55] <_case> but the module seems to be amiss
[10:56] <lt_kije> _case: see if this helps: http://www.holwegner.com/view/364
[10:56] <hectorvs> huhmz: i dont get the crash anymore, but it doesnt print, hehe... when i print a test page, it appears as if it printed, but nothing actually prints.
[10:56] <hectorvs> for host use the name of the computer the printer is plugged, only the name, no /
[10:56] <Calvin> anyone knows where i can get the xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu24 PATCH ??
[10:57] <hectorvs> for the printer, use the name the printer uses for sharing, it should be in --right click -- sharing
[10:57] <zack_> Hey, I just apt-got GTK-GNUTELLA and I can find it in the Internet or Multimedia tabs. Where is this located?
[10:57] <huhmz> hectorvs: same here, but do you use the windows name of the computer or the IP ?
[10:57] <lt_kije> _case: there's also an article on ndiswrapper in the ubuntu wiki (search "ndiswrapper")
[10:58] <hectorvs> huhmz: windows name of the pc... but still it doesnt print
[10:58] <_case> lt_kije, will look, TY :)
[10:58] <huhmz> do you get a status message if you check properties on the printer?
[10:58] <CraHan> In OSX I had to use alt+( to get the [, any idea how I can get that behaviour in ubuntu?
[10:59] <CraHan> as things are now I can't get my keyboard to display {} and []
[10:59] <hectorvs> huhmz, i used to, something like NT_ something, but now i dont get anything...
[10:59] <zack_> Hey, I just apt-got GTK-GNUTELLA and I can find it in the Internet or Multimedia tabs. Where is this located
[10:59] <huhmz> hectorvs: same here, first NT_SOMETHING_ACCESS_DENIED
[10:59] <hectorvs> in the username put guest
[10:59] <lt_kije> zack_: it may not have been added to the GNOME menu -- try logging in again. if that doesn't work, you'll need to add it yourself.
[10:59] <huhmz> then i got some bullshit about couldnt find samba and now i get nothing
[11:00] <hectorvs> huhmz: try putting "guest" in the username field
[11:01] <huhmz> omg praise allah! its printing by god its printing!
[11:02] <ficusplanet> lt_kije, for future reference, you can just run killall gnome-panel to reload the menus
[11:02] <huhmz> hectorvs: I used IP for the "computer name", the printer name for the printer name (duh) and guest as account with no password
[11:02] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: thanks -- I've always just added the item manually. killall would be more elegant. :-)
[11:03] <CraHan> hmmm... no way to get to the third char on the keyboard :/
[11:03] <hectorvs> can you access your files through the network?
[11:04] <huhmz> yes
[11:04] <huhmz> hectorvs: if you cant see your shares when you do "smbclient -L computer_name" then you have a problem
[11:05] <Espectro> does ubuntu come with postgres on the cd? according to the wiki, it does, but only libpgsql is included, postgres needs to be downloaded
[11:05] <looksaus> is there any root-on-software-raid support in ubuntu?
[11:06] <SuperQ> looksaus: yes
[11:06] <SuperQ> Espectro: it's probably a download item
[11:06] <looksaus> SuperQ, nice, now the only thing left is to make it recoginse my CD drive
[11:06] <looksaus> :)
[11:07] <looksaus> strange thing happening
[11:07] <Espectro> SuperQ, that's the point, at least the wiki should say when a package comes with the cd, and which one is available by downloading
[11:07] <dieman> looksaus: it sort of works, it takes some real hauranging to convinvce the installer to do raid 1 and put lvm on top of it.
[11:08] <looksaus> oh, that's ok, I don't need lvm
[11:08] <looksaus> fairly static config...
[11:08] <kensai> is clock-applet broken in the latest hoary update?
[11:09] <ficusplanet> Woot. First release of coaster is out.
[11:10] <Tenniru> Hey, what are the diffirences between the WartyWarthog PPC Preview and the full PPC version?
[11:10] <zack_> Hi, I posted a few minutes ago about my GTK-GNUTELLA not showing up. I restarted and it still didn't show. Someone gave me an alternative ( to manually add it to the programs list) and I dont know where it is on my HD. Any ideas?
[11:10] <ficusplanet> Tenniru, lots of package updates.
[11:10] <lt_kije> zack_: try locate gtk-gnutella
[11:10] <Tenniru> Ah.
[11:11] <huhmz> zack_: type "which gtk-gnutella" in a terminal
[11:11] <Tenniru> How would I go to the preview to the current without losing my stuff?
[11:11] <Espectro> Tenniru, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:12] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[11:12] <mirak> rythmbox is crappy, it won't load half my mp3's !
[11:12] <mirak> anyone have this problem ?
[11:12] <Tenniru> Yes.
[11:12] <Tenniru> It didn't load ANYTHING for me, and dies when hearing streaming radio.
[11:12] <huhmz> it crashed for me first time i tried it so xmms for me
[11:12] <Espectro> rhythmbox is crap
[11:12] <Tenniru> I strongly reccomend XMMS.
[11:13] <Espectro> amarok rocks...
[11:13] <Espectro> it's like a 21st century xmms
[11:13] <lt_kije> i really like muine -- it's in debian sid but not warty universe.
[11:13] <Tenniru> I wish RythmBox worked, though. I prefer the iTunes-esque interface over XMMS' Winamp-esque one that I despise so.
[11:13] <looksaus> dieman, SuperQ, looks as if this i875p chipset bug was mentioned several times before, but not in bugzilla
[11:13] <Espectro> xmms's based on mpg123, which i pretty old
[11:13] <lt_kije> it's by the rhythmbox lead -- good looks, nicer functionality, i think.
[11:14] <looksaus> (no cdrom found)
[11:14] <ficusplanet> muine is great. There is an ubuntu repo with it, too.
[11:14] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: which? I just took it off the debian server and installed mono, too...
[11:14] <looksaus> what info would be needed for a useful bug report?
[11:14] <ficusplanet> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[11:14] <looksaus> any url with hints?
[11:14] <huhmz> Espectro: it's old but it works
[11:14] <ficusplanet> lt_kije, That has all the major mono apps.
[11:14] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: thanks...i'll look at it later.
[11:14] <[Siff] > what app does everyone reccomend for shoutcast streams?
[11:15] <huhmz> listening or sending?
[11:15] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: great! i've been looking for a good repo with mono stuff...awesome.
[11:15] <huhmz> sending = icecast
[11:15] <[Siff] > listening
[11:15] <ficusplanet> streamtuner
[11:15] <[Siff] > or sending if there's a good one
[11:16] <huhmz> listening works well in xmms
[11:16] <Tenniru> I would, too, like to know which one would do sending.
[11:16] <mirak> how do I install amarok ?
[11:16] <[Siff] > those both in the repositories?
[11:16] <mirak> I mean it seams there is dependency problems
[11:17] <Espectro> kde apps have very few dependencies
[11:17] <Espectro> since this is ubuntu, it will be harder
[11:18] <Espectro> i really hope ubuntu would become kde centric
[11:18] <ficusplanet> Espectro, Not going to happen.
[11:18] <Espectro> i know
[11:18] <ficusplanet> Use mepis.
[11:18] <Espectro> gnome is a pain to compile, it is getting dropped out of slackware because of this
[11:18] <Espectro> kde only needs qt and libxml to compile
[11:19] <ficusplanet> Espectro, It isn't that hard. Ubuntu released the day of gnome2.8.
[11:19] <Espectro> yeah i know
[11:19] <lt_kije> Espectro: gnome is still being provided for slack, just not by the slack lead. dropline does such a good job of it that there's no reason to duplicate the effort.
[11:20] <Espectro> yeah
[11:20] <Espectro> in reality, i just prefer konqueror over firefox
[11:20] <Espectro> because of the speed
[11:20] <lt_kije> it's not too hard to just do a debian install (using the latest installer) and set up kde.
[11:20] <Espectro> if konqueror gets in, i am happy
[11:20] <ShadowHawk> What do I need to put in the synaptic packages repository config to get the development repositories?
[11:20] <lt_kije> you can "kde-ize" debian pretty easily'
[11:20] <crimsun> deb-src <...>
[11:21] <ficusplanet> ShadowHawk, Change warty to hoary throughout sources.list
[11:21] <Espectro> yeah, i could install it myself, the idea is to "ubuntize" it :)
[11:21] <crimsun> or do you mean -dev ?
[11:21] <ShadowHawk> ficusplanet: What about after hoary comes out?  Is there a permanent devel branch, or do I need to change this every release?
[11:22] <crimsun> for now you'll need to change it every release
[11:22] <ficusplanet> ShadowHawk, I believe you'll need to change it again in six months, yes.
[11:23] <zack_> Does anyone know of a program like KARAMBA for Ubuntu?
[11:23] <b_e_n_z> another interesting VM project... http://xen.sf.net
[11:23] <ficusplanet> zack_, gdesklets
[11:23] <Tenniru> It there an online deb repository with FireFox?
[11:23] <Tenniru> The one in Synaptic Package wants the CD which I don't have.
[11:23] <dizzy> does ubuntu support xen?
[11:23] <lt_kije> Tenniru: just modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line that has the cd...
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> xen supports debian
[11:24] <ficusplanet> Tenniru, Just uncheck the cdrom line in Settings>>Repository and then click reload in synaptic.
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> i mean deb package
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> i mean deb packages
[11:24] <ShadowHawk> HOLY CRAP
[11:24] <ShadowHawk> I did the change to Hoary and now I have<PHONE_NUMBER> broken packages
[11:24] <ShadowHawk> what
[11:25] <dizzy> I downloaded the xen package but I found only a kernel image and no documentation in it
[11:25] <crimsun> you shouldn't.
[11:25] <crimsun> I just dist-upgraded last night
[11:25] <ShadowHawk> That's what it says at the bottom of synaptic
[11:25] <crimsun> I can't imagine things having broken in a mere 6 hours.
[11:25] <ficusplanet> ShadowHawk, click reload
[11:25] <ShadowHawk> I think it wrapped around the number of broken packages...
[11:25] <ShadowHawk> ok I hit reload and synaptic crashed
[11:26] <ShadowHawk> Ok things look fine now
[11:27] <kensai> I upgraded to hoary and now the clock-applet of gnome is broken. Anyone has the same problem?
[11:28] <epod> isn't hoary unstable?
[11:29] <Tenniru> Okay, got it...
[11:29] <kensai> yep
[11:29] <kensai> epod: hoary is unstable
[11:29] <epod> yeah, that'd explain it not working
[11:29] <carlos> where do i config my smb shares? i know i can probably hit smb.conf or something but is there a gui tool in Ubuntu that does it?
[11:31] <kensai> epod: is just that I have never used unstable from debian before and don't know about packages broken
[11:31] <epod> Ubuntu is my first debian experience myself
[11:31] <Tyche> Does Ubuntu have Ximian for it?
[11:31] <kensai> epod: mine too
[11:32] <Espectro> i have tried debian lots of times
[11:32] <diviy> help  please  were  is  the  best place  to   get  info on  configuring  ubuntu  installed  it  to my laptop  ok but i  havent  a  clue  were to go from there  so  were  can  a  newbie  get  some  easy to understand  faq  and  good help files  please
[11:32] <kensai> but I like it is just that it is my first broken package
[11:32] <Espectro> apt-get is way overrated
[11:32] <ShadowHawk> Synaptic is jawesome
[11:32] <diviy> can  even  connect to the  net  with it !!!!
[11:32] <Espectro> synaptic is just a gui for apt-get
[11:33] <ShadowHawk> Right.  But that makes it wonderous, Espectro
[11:33] <Espectro> ShadowHawk, apt-get flaws are not in its interface
[11:33] <Espectro> it's in its backend
[11:34] <ShadowHawk> diviy: How do you connect to internet?  Are you having modem or network card problems?
[11:34] <ShadowHawk> Espectro: Well, it's better than RPM, I'll put it at that.
[11:34] <Espectro> that's your first mistake
[11:34] <fissy> is it possible to get the latest ximian openoffice in ubuntu without compiling it manuall?
[11:34] <Espectro> you need to compare apples to apples
[11:34] <Espectro> rpm compares to dpkg
[11:34] <kensai> Espectro: Very right
[11:35] <Espectro> apt-rpm compares to apt-get (apt-rpm is the same thing overall)
[11:35] <Espectro> the best package manager for me, is portage
[11:35] <Espectro> but it isn't a fair comparison either
[11:35] <kensai> portage is overral good
[11:36] <kensai> but I think synaptic is the best
[11:36] <diviy> just  comes  up with  error  msg   www.??. could  not  be  found  looking  for  some guidance  of  how  to  configyre  it  all
[11:36] <Espectro> portage's avantages are mostly due to not being held due to static packages
[11:36] <kensai> I mean apt
[11:37] <kensai> but yeah portage is very good and with it's frontend porthole it is just like synaptic
[11:37] <diviy> i  connect  throu  a  cable  modem
[11:37] <kensai> diviy: that maybe a mudule for your ethernet card is not there
[11:37] <Espectro> if gentoo would keep its binary packages updated, i would use it
[11:38] <Espectro> but using gentoo means to waste space in development libraries not needed when using binaries
[11:38] <kensai> diviy: I have the same prob in slackware and gentoo
[11:39] <ShadowHawk> Well, I've yet to see dpkg without apt-get, but installing apt-rpm is nothing but headaches.
[11:39] <fissy> Espectro, i have a 200GB hard drive.... having even as much as 5GB of development libraries isn't really an issue any more
[11:39] <diviy> so  any ideas  how  to get it  working  i  am  really a  newbie  newbie
[11:39] <ShadowHawk> Ah, sorry diviy, I faded away there.
[11:39] <diviy> np
[11:40] <fissy> Espectro, i've had to install a load of development libraies manually today because i need a package not in ubuntu's sources
[11:40] <ShadowHawk> Is your ethernet card a PCMCIA card or is it built into the back of the laptop?
[11:40] <diviy> built in
[11:40] <fissy> anyway, ximian openoffice anyone?
[11:40] <ShadowHawk> Have you tried going to Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[11:40] <epod> fissy, how is that different from normal openoffice?
[11:40] <diviy> brb
[11:40] <jdz`_> Hi, what's the Ubuntu equivelent of Debian's base-config called?
[11:41] <fissy> epod, looks prettier cause it uses gnome icons and fits in with the gtk theme better, more importantly, newer versions use the new gtk file selector
[11:41] <ShadowHawk> diviy: I'm assuming the cable modem works with another computer plugged into it, and the problem is just that Ubuntu isn't accessing, right?
[11:41] <Espectro> so right now i am using slack, but not having a good repository of packages just sucks
[11:41] <Espectro> so i heard about ubuntu and it has some good features i want
[11:41] <Espectro> debian's package repository is indeed the biggest, so no problem there
[11:41] <Espectro> debian stable plain just sucks for desktop
[11:41] <Espectro> debian sid just updates too much
[11:41] <Espectro> so i wanted something with recent packages, updated but stable
[11:41] <epod> fissy, hm, is it in synaptic?
[11:41] <fissy> epod, no
[11:41] <ShadowHawk> Espectro: Welcome to Ubuntu, then :)
[11:41] <skar> hi, i've got a 15" monitor, can i set 1024X768 at 85 Hz?
[11:41] <epod> fissy, ahh suckage.
[11:42] <Espectro> i will see how ubuntu is going to do updates to stable packages between releases
[11:42] <fissy> i don't mind the 12 hour compile *that* much, but i would rather not
[11:42] <diviy> im  diconnecting the  patch lead  and  pluging straight into my  laptop
[11:42] <Espectro> like if package x 1.2.2 is installed, and 1.2.3 is released, will ubuntu offer the new version?
[11:43] <eckstejs> Hi! Just installed ubuntu. But some questions are remaining. O:) - First of all: How can I use my usb-stick? and How can I use my NTFS-Partitions? O:-))
[11:43] <jdz`_> What's the Ubuntu equivelent of Debian's base-config called?
[11:43] <ShadowHawk> jdz`_: I'm pretty sure it's base-config , but the Ubuntu version is different from the main Debian version
[11:43] <fissy> eckstejs: /dev/sda1       /mnt/d2a        ntfs    user,auto,umask=000,ro  0       0
[11:44] <jdz`_> ShadowHawk: Thanks for answering.  I tried base-config -- and it the same as the Debian one, not the Ubuntu post-install questions
[11:44] <fissy> eckstejs, that is a line from my fstab showing how to mount an NTFS partition
[11:44] <eckstejs> is there any german channel? :)
[11:44] <eckstejs> fissy: thanx, got it
[11:44] <ShadowHawk> I really don't know, but I suggest fooling around with apt-cache, heh
[11:44] <jdz`_> ShadowHawk: I aborted Ubuntu's base-config by mistake, and need to get back into it somehow
[11:44] <eckstejs> fissy: but will it be shon at Computer/Drives?
[11:44] <Espectro> eckstejs, i just insert my usb stick and it works
[11:45] <ShadowHawk> diviy: The patch lead?  Are you using a crossover cable or not?  You might have flipped the ethernet wires around if you're doing something unusual with your network setup.  Do you have a working computer that you can plug in with you?
[11:45] <eckstejs> Espectro: how did it work? dmesg didn't say anything about /dev/sda1 (as I'm used from kernel 2.6.7)
[11:46] <diviy> yea   have  a  workomh  machine   laptop  on me  lap  as  we  speak
[11:46] <Espectro> eckstejs, weird, mine works
[11:46] <Espectro> try mounting it
[11:46] <ShadowHawk> ok, so it's just a matter of Ubuntu not connecting by the card.  Did you try adding it in the Computer->System Configuration->Networking thing yet?
[11:47] <Espectro> eckstejs, is hotplug running?
[11:47] <fissy> eckstejs, yes it will be shown in computer/drives/on your desktop if you mount it to a folder /mnt/somedrive like i did in mine
[11:47] <eckstejs> Espectro: oh, we got a problem. A MicroS*ft-USB-Stick works, but an dnt FUN256 doesn't work - but that thing worked with KNOPPIX 3.6 at the same PC
[11:48] <diviy>  in  network setting  i  have   ethernet lan  card   in  the  connection  tab
[11:48] <Espectro> what do you mean by ms stick?
[11:48] <ShadowHawk> Click it and select activate.  If that doesn't work, Try removing it then adding it again.
[11:49] <Espectro> you mean FAT formatted?
[11:49] <ShadowHawk> Espectro: I think it's a MS brand USB stick
[11:49] <Espectro> fat works in linux, windows, and mac
[11:49] <diviy>  ok  gonna  have  to  disconect this machine   back in  five   if it  works  cheers  m8
[11:49] <eckstejs> Espectro: A "normal" USB-Stick (donated by M$ during a MSDN-RoadShow) - Yeah, FAT-Formated
[11:49] <ShadowHawk> diviy: good luck
[11:50] <Espectro> eckstejs, try formatting it in windows
[11:50] <Espectro> eckstejs, if that doesn't work, something is wrong in mass storage
[11:50] <eckstejs> eckstejs: it's an mp3-player and is managed by the hardware on the stick
[11:50] <Espectro> u talking to urself now? :)
[11:51] <Espectro> i wonder how it worked with knoppix
[11:51] <Espectro> it is propietary crap
[11:51] <eckstejs> Espectro: *ggg*
[11:51] <Espectro> but i guess u dont look in the horse mouth when getting something free
[11:52] <Espectro> i hope that msdn thing was free
[11:53] <nevyn>  eckstejs don't format it in windows if you want the mp3player to work.
[11:54] <jdub> GOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[11:54] <epod> mmm... games
[11:54] <Espectro> evening here
[11:54] <homeas> jdub, I want my flumotion ubuntu goodness !
[11:54] <yann__> midnight here
[11:55] <arc_> jdub: you!!!
[11:55] <arc_> :D
[11:55] <arc_> jdub: how do you do?
[11:55] <jdub> hey arc_
[11:55] <jdub> doing well, how about you?
[11:55] <Espectro> jdub, you aussie or something?
[11:55] <jdub> yes
[11:55] <ogra> good morning jdub from the other side of the world ;)
[11:55] <arc_> very tired, convincing people to install ubuntu at the office :P
[11:56] <homeas> jdub, anything I can do to speed up the process ? send russian hitmen to someone ?
[11:56] <jdub> arc_: rad :)
[11:56] <jdub> arc_: coming out our conference in december? :)
[11:56] <Espectro> jdub, is is true that the toilets flush backwards?
[11:56] <arc_> jdub: december? where?
[11:56] <jdub> jpo
[11:56] <homeas> arc_, spain baby
[11:56] <jdub> homeas: i'll have to check if gst-python has been synced
[11:56] <jdub> arc_: just outside barcelona
[11:56] <arc_> hum.... it's a good chance to visit barcelona...
[11:57] <arc_> jdub: what's the exact date?
[11:57] <jdub> arc_: 5th-18th
[11:57] <jdub> arc_: see the website
[11:57] <arc_> oh, I can't
[11:57] <arc_> :(
[11:57] <arc_> exams...
[11:57] <jdub> ouch
[11:57] <jdub> bummer :|
[11:58] <ogra> jdub will you guys sort out some shuttle service from the airport or do i have to keep the taxi money in mind ?
[11:58] <eckstejs> Espectro: The thing says "Nov  5 22:56:02 localhost kernel: scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices" - but nothing happens
[11:58] <arc_> yeah, but, anyway, I think that I can go to germany
[11:58] <arc_> jdub: so we'll see there :)
[11:58] <jdub> ogra: hrm, i don't know.
[11:59] <ogra> 70km are pretty much
[11:59] <Espectro> eckstejs, no mention of /dev/sdsomething?
[11:59] <eckstejs> Espectro: Nope - the other stick goes on with "Nov  5 22:56:46 localhost kernel: SCSI device sdb: 64000 512-byte hdwr sectors (33 MB)" and so on, but not with the player...