[03:00] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia: you have any good stuff for the UWN?
[03:00] <boredandblogging> its a bit thin this week
[03:00] <Burgundavia> you can pull in the fridge links
[03:00] <Burgundavia> that will add a large amount of bulk quickly
[03:00] <Burgundavia> just write little summaries
[03:01] <boredandblogging> ahh, hadn't seen the UDS and FossCamp stuff
[03:04] <Burgundavia> you need to read the fridge more
[03:04] <boredandblogging> I do
[03:05] <Burgundavia> to be fair, it was dead for a long time
[03:10] <boredandblogging> yeah, you have gone beserk on it lately
[03:10] <Burgundavia> somebody needs to do it
[03:10] <boredandblogging> i would help out more, but the UWN keeps me busy enough
[03:11] <boredandblogging> plus you are a college student again, you have the time :-P
[03:19] <Burgundavia> no really, but sort of
[03:20] <Burgundavia> I have the notes for another 2 articles, plus the bits in the queue and a halloween ubuntu thingy
[17:35] <SoteriouLoucas> hello
[17:36] <somerville32> Hi
[17:36] <SoteriouLoucas> can i ask something?
[17:37] <somerville32> Yup
[17:38] <SoteriouLoucas> how can i help in this group?
[17:38] <SoteriouLoucas> and what you are doing?brief explanation please because i got confused in wiki
[17:42] <somerville32> Basically, we're here to help promote and advocate Ubuntu.
[17:42] <somerville32> You can assist by spreading the good news! We also have several projects on the go with this objective in mind.
[17:43] <somerville32> For example, the Ubuntu weekly news which is a newletter released weekly to help spread stories of interest about and involving the Ubuntu community.
[17:44] <somerville32> You can, for example, assist the UWN project by writing stories, proof reading, coming up with ideas to improve it,  and encouraging people to read it.
[17:45] <SoteriouLoucas> via internet only?because i have something in mind to promote in my country but i ithink its illegal .printing liflets and giving them to the people.What other things do this tema believe me i want a lot to join this team because i have a Diplama in Marketing
[18:06] <somerville32> SoteriouLoucas, We do marketing in real life too. We have posters and pamphlets that are available for printing or ordering.
[18:06] <somerville32> There is also stickers! :)
[19:00] <SoteriouLoucas> somerville  wb
[19:01] <somerville32> thnk :)


[14:23] <smoser> beantaxi: it woudlnt be a new stage
[14:27] <smoser> but the _default_handlers is how all the types of handlers are registereed
[14:29] <smoser> and yeah... the sub_handlers bit isn't clear
[14:30] <smoser> but i think you should add your types to that list.
[14:30] <smoser> git blame shows c7555762f3a30190ce7726b4d013bc3e83c7e4b6
[14:31] <smoser> indicatting that the sub_handler bit is what allows jinja rendering also. and i think we would want that.
[16:04] <beantaxi> smoser: Interesting ... from the code, the Jinja handler is actually added to def_handlers not sub_handlers. There appear to be 3 styles of adding a handler in stages.py:_default_handlers: 1. Instantiate the handler, assign to a variable, then add the variable to def_handles 2. Instantiate & assign to handler 'inline' 3. Add to sub_handlers. cloud_config & shellscript are #1 and #3, boothook and
[16:04] <beantaxi> upstart are #2, and then jinja is #1 but it comes after everything else.
[16:06] <beantaxi> Also the function is preceded by a comment that says '# TODO(harlowja) Hmmm, should we dynamically import these??' So I wonder if this is a decent time to make them a bit more consistent, possibly sort out sub_handlers, and make the whole thing dynamic if deiresd. (Let me know if I'm overstepping)
[17:19] <smoser> beantaxi: i think you understand...
[17:20] <smoser> yes.. i was wondering why all the handlers didn't get that
[17:55] <smoser> i think they problably should have
[17:59] <beantaxi> smoser: It also maybe looks like the point is to create all the handlers except Jinja with **opts ... and then to add a sub_handlers collection to **opts, add all the handlers to sub_handlers, and instantiate the Jinja handler with the new **opts that has the list of subhandlers
[18:02] <beantaxi> smoser: Perhaps this is because the Jinja handler is user to handle user-data scripts, so it needs to be a handler, and cloud config files, so it needs access to all the other handlers
[18:05] <beantaxi> iow it's a bit of a hybrid
[18:23] <smoser> beantaxi: i think you're down the right path.
[18:24] <smoser> the point i was trying to mnake in the review was that if we want people to be able to use this, then we should just add it to cloud-init "proper" like the other handlers.
[19:22] <beantaxi> smoser: That makes sense. In my own bumbling way, I was starting out by not wanting to touch any existing code if I could avoid it (which I did! go me), and to be happy to go in and modify existing code but only if recommended.
[19:42] <beantaxi> smoser: I think that's plenty for me to go on. I'll drop off irssi for now, and put any other questions/comments on my next commits. Thanks!
[21:46] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: blackboxsw: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/761 <-- PR for a test for today's hot issue
[22:04] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/762/files
[22:06] <blackboxsw> @Odd_Bloke will you be dputing this PR via build-and-push then? or your own mechanisms to dput and git push ubuntu/devel
[22:33] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: +1 on groovy
[22:33] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/763/files
[22:35] <blackboxsw> and good thinking including the LP bug in debian/changelog
[22:37] <Odd_Bloke> We need to for SRU process, so glad I caught that before upload!
[22:40] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/764
[22:40] <blackboxsw> focal approved
[22:46] <blackboxsw> bionic approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/765#pullrequestreview-565799229
[22:53] <blackboxsw> Xenial approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/767#pullrequestreview-565802898
[22:55] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks; all uploaded and pushed.
[22:55] <Odd_Bloke> And I've dropped a message in #ubuntu-release to ask for them to be accepted to -proposed.
[23:45] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: and AnhVoMSFT  our uploads are queued into (xenial|bionic|focal|groovy)-proposed pockets and should be in cloud-images tomorrow for our testing


[00:42] <vex> hiya. Is there an easy way to move a package from one ppa to another (that I control)
[00:42] <vex> I uploaded to the wrong one :/
[00:46] <jelmer> vex: you can copy packages from the "View Packages" page
[00:48] <vex> hey cool!
[00:48] <vex> look at that.
[00:48] <vex> :D
[00:48] <vex> thanks
[07:09] <mkanat> Looks like the loggerhead /view/ changes are out now. Any numbers on performance improvements or load lessening?
[07:09] <spm> mkanat: let me see if I can dig something up for you...
[07:10] <mkanat> spm: Awesome.
[07:10] <mkanat> Not sure when the change got rolled out.
[07:10] <spm> probably last week with the full release
[07:10] <mkanat> That would sound right.
[07:11] <mkanat> It *feels* faster, at the least.
[07:12] <spm> hand on heart, can't see anything that looks like a load/cpu lessoning. looks about the same.
[07:12] <mkanat> Of course, right now is probably a relatively low-load time.
[07:12] <spm> heh
[07:12] <mkanat> spm: Okay.
[07:13] <mkanat> spm: Do you have any stats on how many threads timeout?
[07:13] <mkanat> Or how many threads run for longer than X seconds?
[07:13] <mkanat> Run a single request for longer than X seconds, that is.
[07:13] <spm> not that I'm aware of. it may be bruied in the logs; but we're not directly showing that anywhere.
[07:13] <mkanat> Okay.
[07:14] <mkanat> Yeah, I have a log analysis tool that does it, but I need the logs, of course. :-D
[07:14] <mkanat> It's not important now, anyhow.
[07:14] <spm> chicken, meet egg. ;-)
[07:14] <mkanat> lol.
[07:14] <mkanat> Okay, I'll work on oops reduction.
[07:15] <spm> oki, always welcome!
[07:15] <mkanat> spm: I heard there was some oops frequency analysis going on...are there any results from that yet?
[07:16] <spm> errr. good question. I've heard of it, but don't know much beyond that. lifeless'd be a good starter to ask about that.
[07:16] <mkanat> spm: Okay.
[07:32] <mkanat> spm: How's stability been?
[07:32] <spm> pretty good actually.
[07:32]  * spm pulls up the incident page
[07:33] <spm> couple of fails at the end of December; only one since. the former were mainly memory abuse causing swappage necessitating kill/starts
[07:42] <mkanat> spm: Wow, that's pretty great.
[07:42] <spm> we may have to rename, from codebounce to codestable. :'-(
[08:07] <mkanat> spm: Hahahahaha. :-D
[08:12] <mkanat> spm: What about the one that wasn't a memory problem?
[08:12] <mkanat> spm: Was it something like bug 617249?
[08:34] <geser> wgrant: can you please look at the build logs of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ants/1.9+svn532-5/+buildjob/2004367 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clisp/1:2.48-3/+buildjob/2004687. They look like a mix of two different builds.
[08:44] <wgrant> geser: I'm asleep, but that looks pretty serious. I will investigate in a few hours, but please ping me if you see anything else like it.
[08:44] <geser> ok
[08:56] <mkanat> It looks like the CSS being used by codebrowse is not correct. Is it being cached somewhere?
[13:10] <mgedmin> I've linked a branch to fix a packaging bug (http://launchpad.net/bugs/705389), what should I do next?  Wait for someone on the Ubuntu side to notice?  Ask this question in #ubuntu rather than #launchpad?
[13:12] <ari-tczew> mgedmin: you have two ways: 1) subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to bug; 2) propose a merge your branch to lucid and set ubuntu-sponsors as reviewer
[13:13] <mgedmin> thanks
[13:40] <czajkowski> bah no mrevell!
[13:53] <wgrant> czajkowski: He should be around in an hour or so.
[13:54] <czajkowski> ahh damn timezones
[13:54] <czajkowski> forgot he's in Dallas
[13:56] <czajkowski> wgrant: you in Dallas?
[14:11] <dpm> does anyone know how I can change the assignee of a bug task? I've assigned one to the wrong team, and I'd like to correct it
[14:12] <czajkowski> no - sign beside them ?
[14:14] <dpm> not that I could see :(
[14:14] <dpm> ah, the little arrow on the far left lets me expand the task and reassign it, cool!
[14:17] <czajkowski> dpm: :)
[14:55] <wgrant> czajkowski: I am.
[14:56] <czajkowski> wgrant: any sign of Mat?
[14:57] <wgrant> czajkowski: He's on the other side of the room, with his laptop not out yet.
[14:57] <wgrant> Although that may be changing.
[14:57] <czajkowski> wgrant: could you throw something at him please and tell him I'm looking for him... Laura is looking for him  will do :) thanks
[14:57] <czajkowski> wont make people say my surname
[14:58] <wgrant> It's not that hard...
[14:58] <czajkowski> I know this
[14:59] <czajkowski> others seem to argue with me :)
[15:29] <czajkowski> mrevell: boo
[15:29] <mrevell> Hi czajkowski, in a meeting just now so will be slow to reply.
[15:29] <czajkowski> mrevell: np can you look at your email, forwared on mails from loco contacts re issue with locked loco teams
[15:29] <czajkowski> please
[15:30] <mrevell> czajkowski, Will do.
[15:30] <czajkowski> mrevell: cheers
[15:31] <mrevell> :)
[15:31] <czajkowski> knew that bug was gonna become a pain in the ass
[16:02] <geser> wgrant: there is now a bug for the buildlog issue: bug 705342
[16:06] <wgrant> geser: Yeah, we are investigating.
[16:09] <wgrant> geser: It's always that same builder.
[16:09] <wgrant> And the builds that succeed seem to be fine.
[16:10] <geser> wgrant: can you check what happened to the other builds of those intermixed buildlogs?
[16:12] <wgrant> geser: I need the log from the slave, which won't be available for a while.
[16:20] <geser> wgrant: I now looked closer on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62494035/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.clisp_1%3A2.48-3_BUILDING.txt.gz and the 2nd build seems to be for libcanberra 0.26-1ubuntu7 (armel; built on 2011-01-19) but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/0.26-1ubuntu7/+buildjob/2166905 tells it build successfully on 2011-01-12. why did it try it then on that build again?
[16:20] <wgrant> geser: It was probably the libcanberra build from the copy archive.
[16:20] <wgrant> It's building l* at the moment.
[16:20] <geser> ah
[16:24] <geser> wgrant: you are right: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110114-arm/+buildjob/2170420
[17:33] <micahg> mrevell: can I ask you about a possible project name being appropriate or is there a better forum for that?
[17:35] <mrevell> micahg, Yeah, please do.
[17:35] <micahg> mrevell: would the name ipfreely be inappropriate on launchpad?
[17:35] <mrevell> micahg, Heh, no I don't think so.
[17:35] <micahg> mrevell: ok, thanks
[17:36] <exarkun> even for a project which removes limitations (eg non-mobility of endpoints) from IP communication?
[17:44] <czajkowski> mrevell: good meeting
[18:27] <wolfpack> I am working under some HTTP proxy. When i try to branch through bazaar I get this error---"ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. "..Is there any way around to solve this??
[18:28] <jtv> spiv: would you know?  ^^
[18:33] <StevenK> I seriously doubt a HTTP proxy is causing that problem.
[18:33] <StevenK> Is port 22 firewalled?
[18:34] <wolfpack> don't know ....  i am in university
[18:35] <wolfpack> so may be they have port 22 firewalled
[18:40] <spiv> wolfpack: "Connection timed out" is the problem
[18:40] <spiv> wolfpack: as StevenK says you appear to be firewalled, or something like that.  It's an issue with your network.
[18:41] <wolfpack> spiv: ok...so no solution for it ?
[18:41] <spiv> wolfpack: if you can't use port 22, and you don't need write access to the branch, you can probably work around it by using http:// URLs
[18:42] <spiv> If you need write access, then you must be able to connect to bazaar.launchpad.net port 22, there is no other option.
[18:42] <wolfpack> but i will not be able to contribute in devlopment work
[18:42] <wolfpack> ok
[18:47] <wolfpack> spiv: Is this way possible--I download the source for that branch using loggerhead and then work upon it while offline ......After that merge it using some other computer where port 22 is allowed
[18:49] <spiv> wolfpack: yes
[18:49] <spiv> Er,
[18:49] <spiv> But rather than download the source via loggerhead, just "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/..."
[18:50] <spiv> You can *read* branches via http, and thus make your own local branches from an HTTP source
[18:50] <wolfpack> but I am not able to branch it
[18:50] <spiv> Have you tried a http://bazaar.launchpad.net/... URL when branching?
[18:51] <mrevell> Hey czajkowski. Thanks for forwarding me those emails. I've sent a message to the loco-council list, which is awaiting moderation.
[18:52] <wolfpack> no
[18:52] <czajkowski> mrevell: loco council is me and 5 others
[18:52] <czajkowski> mrevell: the thread went on today on loco contacts
[18:53] <czajkowski> mrevell: mail approved now
[18:53] <mrevell> czajkowski, Yeah, I wanted to email the loco council first. Thanks for approving it.
[18:54] <czajkowski> np
[18:54] <czajkowski> mrevell: you can follow the other thread on the contacts list
[18:54] <czajkowski> I did point out I'd gone and poke ye
[19:11] <wolfpack> spiv:U were telling about branching using http ....can u please tell me how to do that .
[19:49] <VarcMB> Hello
[19:49] <tsimpson> hello \o
[19:49] <VarcMB> Are you :D
[19:50] <VarcMB> I am trying to register my PGPKey
[19:51] <tsimpson> having any trouble?
[19:52] <VarcMB> Well, i don't know how to validate my Key on LaunchPad
[19:52] <tsimpson> so you have already created the key on your system?
[19:53] <VarcMB> A personal Key
[19:54] <tsimpson> ok, so what steps have you done so far?
[19:56] <VarcMB> Just register on LaunchPad create the key and now i am seeying the mail PGP
[19:59] <tsimpson> VarcMB: you need to upload the key to a keyserver, you can use the command "gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com your_key_id" (replacing your_key_id with the ID of your key)
[20:00] <VarcMB> In the terminal right?
[20:00] <tsimpson> yeah
[20:02] <VarcMB> is not a valid key ID: omitted
[20:03] <tsimpson> you need to put your key ID in, you should be able to see it with "gpg --list-keys"
[20:03] <VarcMB> pub or sub?
[20:04] <tsimpson> pub
[20:04] <czajkowski> pub the answer is always pub
[20:05] <VarcMB> Get it but, say the same thing
[20:05] <tsimpson> true
[20:06] <tsimpson> try with "gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys your_key_id", I think gpg is a bit picky about what option comes last
[20:08] <VarcMB> Nothing
[20:08] <tsimpson> nothing?
[20:08] <VarcMB> I will try with Evolution mail
[20:08] <VarcMB> The problem si the key in the terminal i think
[20:15] <VarcMB> the GPG/PGP Key are the *******/****** Or the most long key?
[20:15] <czajkowski> mrevell: ping
[20:17] <tsimpson> VarcMB: the part after the '/'. if it shows "1024D/12345678" then "12345678" is the key ID
[20:17] <VarcMB> Ohhhh
[20:18] <VarcMB> Other error
[20:19] <VarcMB> My mistake, i do it whit the terminal
[20:21] <VarcMB> What i need now?
[20:23] <tsimpson> once you have uploaded the key, you need to tell launchpad about it
[20:23] <tsimpson> use "gpg --fingerprint" and look for the line with "Key fingerprint ="
[20:24] <VarcMB> I have the key
[20:24] <VarcMB> i need send this key from anywhere?
[20:24] <tsimpson> you need to paste that into https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editpgpkeys
[20:24] <tsimpson> and then click the Import Key button
[20:25] <VarcMB> Finish
[20:26] <tsimpson> you need to check your email now and decrypt the message with your key
[20:26] <mrevell> Hi there czajkowski
[20:27] <czajkowski> you are killing me mister :P
[20:27] <VarcMB> Ok, i have Gamil and Evolution, Evolution is new for me so i will the to decrypt with the terminal
[20:27] <mrevell> czajkowski, What do you mean?
[20:27] <czajkowski> mrevell: can you check your mail
[20:27] <tsimpson> VarcMB: that's fine, just type "gpg" in the terminal and copy+paste the email in
[20:27] <tsimpson> VarcMB: it should give you a link to follow
[20:28] <VarcMB> But this crypt
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> hi guys
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, can somebody please review the account of klusumsky RE:
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/76378
[20:32] <VarcMB> Hello, tsimpson i think can help you, please wait for him
[20:36] <tsimpson> VarcMB: you copy the encrypted message into gpg, it should then decrypt the message
[20:38] <VarcMB> The message need have a ' "" '
[20:39] <tsimpson> just copy and paste directly from gmail should work
[20:39] <tsimpson> after typing "gpg" and pressing enter
[20:40] <VarcMB> i write in the terminal, "pgp MESSAGE (ONLY THE CODES)" and this don't work
[20:42] <tsimpson> did you paste everything from "-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----" to "-----END PGP MESSAGE-----"?
[20:42] <VarcMB> The BEGIN PGP MESSAGE & AND PGP MESSAGE no
[20:44] <tsimpson> just copy and paste the entire thing
[20:46] <VarcMB> Wait, i don't have installed the pgp
[20:47] <VarcMB> I will close the programs, i come back in few minutes
[20:48] <mtaylor> do the PPA builders not allow out-bound network connections?
[20:48] <bigjools> mtaylor: no it's verboten
[20:49] <mtaylor> well, that sure does make building doc packages that use sphinx that use intersphinx inventories a little difficult :(
[20:49] <wgrant> They have access to the PPA and primary archives, and that's about it.
[20:49] <Varc> I am back
[20:50]  * mtaylor goes off to make a patch for his ppa packaging branches. cries a little
[20:50] <mtaylor> oh - that's even just for the normal natty builder for the main archive
[20:50] <mtaylor> blast.
[20:50] <bigjools> it's to enforce re-creatable build conditions
[20:51] <Varc> WARNING: Can't find the right public key-- can't check signature integrity.  <----- say this
[20:51] <mtaylor> sure. makes sense - I'm just not sure what to do about making the generated docs for the -doc package be the same as the published ones. maybe I should just not care
[20:54] <Varc> I decrypt it :D but with a program
[21:14] <Varc> I can't finish it :(
[21:17] <Varc> Nevermind i finish it :D
[21:26] <deryck> bdmurray, ping
[21:26] <bdmurray> deryck: hey
[21:27] <vanguard> how do I delete a ppa package that did not build?
[21:27] <deryck> bdmurray, so the bug reporting guidelines may be fixed now.  How recently did you try this?
[21:28] <bdmurray> deryck: probably the week of the 3rd
[21:28] <deryck> bdmurray, can you try again (just changing to anything and set it back if needed)?  assuming it works.
[21:28] <deryck> bdmurray, qastaging is available for this test, too.
[21:29] <bdmurray> deryck: *I* can't as we changed the owner of Ubuntu to a team I'm not a member of.  However I seem to recall the same thing happening with the bug filing guidelines for Launchpad when gary tried to change them
[21:29] <bigjools> vanguard: in the same was as you delete one that did build
[21:30] <bigjools> s/was/way/
[21:30] <bdmurray> deryck: I commented on the bug a bit today
[21:30] <deryck> bdmurray, right.  I asked him, too.  Just over-verifying. :-)  Thanks, anyway!
[21:32] <bdmurray> deryck: if you let the bug supervisor set the bug reporting guidelines I'll be happy to verify it. ;-)
[21:33] <deryck> bdmurray, I don't follow.  bug supervisor can't set that?  Or you mean, you'll verify the actual text when it's set? :-)
[21:33] <bdmurray> deryck: bug supervisor can only set it for projects (I'm pretty sure) not for distros
[21:36] <deryck> bdmurray, I thought you fixed that? :-)
[21:36] <vanguard> bigjools: I just uploaded one package, and that single one did not build
[21:37] <bigjools> vanguard: what do you mean by "did not build" ?
[21:37] <bigjools> failed to build?
[21:38] <vanguard> yes
[21:38] <vanguard> I had an error in the makefile
[21:44] <bigjools> vanguard: you don't need to delete it, just upload a new version and the old one is superseded automatically
[21:45] <vanguard> but I really haven't changed anything.
[21:45] <vanguard> I renamed it from 0.3 to 0.3.1 then
[21:45] <bigjools> vanguard: let me rephrase then - what is your intended outcome?
[21:46] <vanguard> well, I did not build it with pbuilder before and did not notice that my makefile does not work. lp-build told me that a couple minutes later and I tried to upload a newer package, but it told me that it was alreay there
[21:46] <vanguard> so I named it 0.3ubuntu1
[21:46] <bigjools> you can't re-use the same version
[21:47] <vanguard> but it does not make too much sense because I am upstream, so 0.3-1 would be better
[21:47] <vanguard> but I think lintian did not like that since it is an original package, now I have 0.3.1. But anyway, my ppa get's cluttered I think
[21:47] <bigjools> no, it's not cluttered
[21:47] <bigjools> the old version will be removed
[21:48] <vanguard> because it failed or because it is superseeded?
[21:49] <bigjools> when it's superseded
[22:06] <vanguard> bigjools: you are right, the two old versions are gone now
[22:07] <vanguard> the last one built fine, and I can properly install it through my ppa. awesome!
[22:07] <bigjools> glad to hear it
[22:07] <bigjools> I'm right occasionally :)
[22:23] <vanguard> what about deleted ppas, are they going to disappear at some point or will they always be in gray on my profile page?
[22:29] <kirkland> is there any way to tell how many people are using some PPA that I maintain?
[22:29] <kirkland> ie, i'm about to upload a change to a PPA that I think is only mostly used by me
[22:29] <bigjools> kirkland: yes
[22:29] <kirkland> bigjools: cool, how?
[22:30]  * bigjools digs up references
[22:30] <bigjools> kirkland: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/tracking-ppa-download-statistics
[22:31] <kirkland> bigjools: cheers mate
[22:31] <bigjools> kirkland: no worries
[22:35] <Varc> Hey guys, one ask
[22:35] <Varc> What mean or how can i know my: IRC Network
[22:40] <vanguard> Varc: card.freenode.net (Washington, DC, USA)
[22:41] <vanguard> is last.fm down for you too?
[22:41] <Varc> What happend if i ut it and i am not from USA
[22:42] <vanguard> Varc: You mean what happens if you are not from the USA and still on an US-Server?
[22:42] <vanguard> Well, that is the internet, does not matter
[22:42] <vanguard> it is a distributed chat here, so all servers talk to each other
[22:43] <Varc> Ok, i wanna join from the Ubuntu bugs squad and i was need know it thanks you very much
[22:43] <vanguard> you can join any channel on any server, IRC does the job afaik
[22:44] <Varc> I see, that is cool and the "wiki" I need have  a Wiki is it free or what?
[22:46] <vanguard> Varc: A wiki is a type of documentation system, everybody can alter and add text, just like on wikipedia
[22:46] <vanguard> Varc: What wiki are you referring to?
[22:47] <Varc> On LaunchPad
[22:47] <Varc> In my profile
[22:48] <vanguard> can you give me the URL?
[22:48] <Varc> I can't is in my profile
[22:48] <Varc> No Wiki names registered.
[22:48] <Varc> Say Wiki
[22:48] <Varc> And No Wiki names registered.
[22:49] <Varc> "Example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/"
[22:49] <vanguard> ah
[22:49] <vanguard> well, if you write on a wiki, you can register the name you use
[22:49] <vanguard> so that everybody who visits your profile can see what you wrote in the wiki
[22:50] <vanguard> you can leave that blank
[22:50] <Varc> But for a Mentor request this is needed and i don't wrote in any wike
[22:51] <vanguard> okay, I guess you would have to register in the ubuntu wiki with some name and enter that name into your profile then
[22:52] <Varc> And the Ubuntu host right?
[22:52] <vanguard> I think so
[22:53] <Varc> Thanks for your help, you work for Ubuntu or someting like it?
[22:57] <vanguard> not really
[22:57] <Varc> Just a Linux lover?
[22:57] <vanguard> Varc: I am just a regular launchpad user, linux lover and devel
[22:58] <Varc> Software design?
[22:58] <vanguard> devel is short for developer
[22:58] <vanguard> so, yeah
[22:58] <vanguard> although I think that most of what I do is not really great in design
[22:58] <vanguard> it just works ... somehow :D
[22:59] <Varc> Cool, in Windows i Design a super small program because i have 16 years old and i don't know a lot about the design but i wanna work in that and without a friend we will work on aMSN for do someting more special


[12:11] <scotth> Adri2000: have you tried installing your package in a chroot and see if it works?
[12:13] <KhanReape1> Can I get a reason for why my recently-submitted packages show up in rejected (ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected)?
[12:13] <crimsun> geser: do you have confirmation from kamion and/or mdz that you can proceed with #58564?
[12:14] <Fujitsu> Thanks crimsun :)
[12:17] <geser> crimsun: I mailed mdz, he forwarded it to infinity and he mailed me "yes, this fix should do the trick.  I'll happily push this through the UNAPPROVED queue if it's uploaded."
[12:19] <crimsun> great, thanks.
[12:35] <scotth> quick question, sympa is way out of date in ubuntu and debian.  There is a new version in debian/experimental, but its broken.  After an initial look, I think the problem may be in the very way it was packaged.  Is it ok to diverge significantly from the way debian packages a package?
[12:36] <crimsun> perhaps not preferable but certainly acceptable in some cases
[12:37] <scotth> mk ty
[12:40] <crimsun> geser: uploaded, awaiting ACCEPT. Thanks for your work & persistence.
[01:44] <TheMuso> c
[01:44] <TheMuso> crimsun: thanks
[01:44] <crimsun> TheMuso: np. Btw, the clean target still had an aclocal invocation that I made failable.
[01:50] <crimsun> Fujitsu: have you checked the enigma source package in Debian experimental?
[01:50] <Fujitsu> crimsun, no I haven't. Should I?
[01:51] <crimsun> Fujitsu: it's up to you. I was unaware whether you had.
[01:58] <crimsun> Fujitsu: I'll go ahead and process 60827 using unstable
[01:58] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks.
[02:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:04] <crimsun> wow, barry spam in N+1 channels.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> N+1?
[02:04] <crimsun> yeah, I lost count
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Oh, yes.
[02:05] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok thanks.
[02:05] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu
[02:05] <bddebian> crimsun: I "spam" every channel :-)
[02:05] <crimsun> :p
[02:07] <sladen> so /did/ ....
[02:08] <Fujitsu> sladen, ?
[02:08] <sladen> never mind
[02:22] <ryanakca> bddebian: ping
[02:22] <bddebian> ryanakca: yo
[02:22] <ryanakca> bddebian: could you please paste my course toonight at the midnight EST classroom?
[02:23] <ryanakca> bddebian: I'm sadly going to be fast asleep
[02:23] <bddebian> ryanakca: Paste your course?
[02:24] <ryanakca> bddebian: yes, it's all typed up, you just need to paste it in #ubuntu-classroom, gradually, and at the end answer a few basic Q's on apt..
[02:26] <bddebian> Uhm, I suppose
[02:26] <ryanakca> bddebian: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/aptitudeclassroom
[02:27] <ryanakca> bddebian: thanks a million... now I just need to find a moderator
[02:27] <bddebian> A moderator?
[02:28] <ryanakca> yes, someone to set it to +m and take questions in /msg
[02:28] <bddebian> Ah
[02:32] <crimsun> Toadstool: (make sure you enumerate which Ubuntu changes can be dropped due to which Debian updates, please)
[02:36] <Toadstool> crimsun: oops!
[02:36] <Toadstool> thanks for pointing this out
[02:36] <Toadstool> (and hi by the way)
[02:37] <crimsun> hi :)
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Morning, Burgundavia.
[02:39] <Burgundavia> hey Fujitsu
[02:40] <Fujitsu> And what a not particularly good morning it is too.
[02:40] <Burgundavia> oh?
[02:40] <Burgundavia> it is still the 16th here
[02:41] <Fujitsu> Silly timezone differences.
[02:41] <Fujitsu> We need Swatch Internet Time! :P
[02:47] <Toadstool> hmm, looks like my edgy chroot on my server is ready... at least I'll be able to do a few little things until I can afford buying a laptop
[02:47] <bddebian> Heya Burgundavia
[03:06] <Burgundavia> bddebian: ping
[03:06] <bddebian> Yo
[03:06] <Burgundavia> classroom tonight. Mind if I teach my bit first?
[03:07] <bddebian> Egads I will never get to sleep :-)
[03:07] <Burgundavia> I need to work on UWN, for release a few hours later
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Heya Hobbsee.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[03:14] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso :)
[03:31] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:31] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[03:35] <sladen> Burgundavia: surely UWN comes out tomorrow?
[03:37] <hikenboot> hello all--Can anyone point me to a document on editing/creating metapackages?
[03:37] <tseng> a metapackage is an empty package that depends on other packages
[03:38] <hikenboot> I want to remove open office as a requirement in ubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <tseng> not sure what more documentation you want
[03:38] <tseng> ubuntu-desktop specifically is special
[03:39] <hikenboot> basically ubuntu-desktop's requirement for open office means 300 meg more space is taken on the cd..300 meg I could use for my own packages
[03:39] <tseng> you can remove it in the cd image...
[03:39] <tseng> you dont really need ubuntu-desktop left around in the context of the custom cd
[03:40] <hikenboot> yes but as soon as you try and install another package it causes errors
[03:40] <hikenboot> a better method, correct me if im wrong would be to some how tell it open-office isnt required
[03:41] <hikenboot><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:41] <plugwash> ubuntu-desktop is built from the source package ubuntu-meta, presumablly you could modify that and rebuild it
[03:41] <plugwash> alternatively you could just make your cd not install ubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <hikenboot> plugwash how could i make it so it doesnt install ubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <plugwash> presumablly the same way you made it not install openoffice?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian, ajmitch
[03:44] <hikenboot> I actually just did an apt-get remove from a chroot...but i find doing this effects future edits to the cd so perhaps my methd is wrong?
[03:50] <sladen> hikenboot: 'affects' ?
[03:53] <hikenboot> it errors when trying to add further packages...the only way i can get close in fact is to add 100% of all the packages I want and then remove open office last
[03:53] <hikenboot> whyich in turn causes ubuntu-desktop to be removed
[03:56] <Burgundavia> sladen: tomorrow your time, today mine
[03:57] <Burgundavia> sladen: last few weeks have been delayed due to wiki breakage
[03:58] <bddebian> Damn this should be interesting, I never even use aptitude :-)
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, are you really expecting it to not break this week?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: yes, I do
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, that's a bit optimistic, I think.
[03:58] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: moving to gobby soon anyway
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Speaking of which, I need to merge that.
[03:59] <plugwash> hikenboot just let it remove ubuntu-desktop, removing ubuntu-desktop shouldn't break anything
[03:59] <plugwash> i presume this is a livecd you are trying to build?
[04:00] <hikenboot> yes
[04:00] <hikenboot> a live cd which I am keeping the ability for users to install into harddrive
[04:04] <plugwash> so when you apt-get remove <whatever the openoffice package is called> in the chroot what exactly does apt say?
[04:04] <plugwash> and what exactly goes wrong if you say yes
[04:06] <hikenboot> sorry I have been working for the last week with uck to get around the problem and dont remember..I will try it again and come back when I have specific messsages
[05:09] <tseng> imbrandon: WHOA MYTH 0.20
[05:12] <bddebian> hrmph
[05:12] <ajmitch> hrmph to you also
[05:13] <bddebian> :-)
[05:20] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: ping
[05:21] <crimsun> TheMuso: why is the libtool archive in libexiv2-0.10 and not in libexiv2-dev?
[05:24] <TheMuso> crimsun: I didn't even know that was the case.
[05:24] <crimsun> TheMuso: neither of your debdiffs in #60856 seem to touch the .so
[05:25] <crimsun> (in debian/rules, that is)
[05:25] <TheMuso> hmm ok I'll have another look.
[05:27] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: ping
[05:28] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3142 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3148 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3147
[05:28] <nixternal> ^^ readu for revu
[05:29] <crimsun> TheMuso: sorry, that's in reference to #60858
[05:29] <nixternal> any fixes i will hit in the morning...time to die, as the sun has wrecked me today!
[05:29] <nixternal> thanks
[05:29] <TheMuso> crimsun: Yeah I worked that out.
[05:50] <hikenboot> hello all--the problem with the live cd comes up when its in the chroot and packages have unmet dependencies because of the ubuntu-desktop package...the metapackage definately has to be changed so that dependency upon office is not required
[05:51] <hikenboot> open office gimp evoluton gaim and ekiga take up nearly 300 mb on the cd
[05:53] <bddebian> Burgundavia: There?
[05:53] <Burgundavia> bddebian: yep
[05:54] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Supposed to be in #u-classroom right?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:57] <bddebian> Hmm, not many there :-)
[05:58] <Burgundavia> going to be reannouning in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[05:58] <bddebian> Oh joy :-)
[06:21] <glick> hello
[06:21] <glick> excuse me ive been reading the ubuntu packaging guide (which is excellent btw), and i have a question about this pbuilder app
[06:22] <glick> firstly, is that the standard way to build packges for a release? and if i want to remove the pbuilder enviornment, i simply delete the directory in /var/cache?
[06:22] <bureado> glick: That's a way, but if you don't want to use pbuilder anymore you should also purge it from your system.
[06:23] <bureado> glick: I don't know about Ubuntu, but it seems to me that pbuilder isn't used as the primary build daemon for neither Debian nor Ubuntu. There are specialized buildd's for that.
[06:23] <glick> is pbuilder the de-facto way to build packages?
[06:23] <bddebian> glick: It's one of the cleanest to make sure you aren't missing deps
[06:24] <bureado> glick: I agree with bddebian, it's the best available way to build a package.
[06:24] <glick> so if i wanna build ubuntu packages i should use the pbuilder method?
[06:25] <bddebian> glick: It's not the only way but probably one of, if not, THE most widely used/supported
[06:26] <glick> ok kooo
[06:30] <glick> do you put your pbuilder enviornment in a chroot envriornment?
[06:31] <bureado> I don't, and I don't think it's necessary. You should keep your pbuilder chroot (or "basetgz") updated.
[06:32] <glick> bureado, but what if your runnin LTS but wanna build for edgy?
[06:33] <bddebian> glick: You can set up a pbuilder environment for any distro
[06:33] <glick> oh ok
[06:33] <glick> for some reason i thought you needed chroot env for that so it doesnt mess with your install
[06:34] <bddebian> glick: As I understand it, pbuilder actually utilizes chroot but I don't know the internals
[06:34] <bureado> No. It keeps .tgz files under /var/cache. When you use pbuilder, it extracts the basetgz (you can have several .tgzs for any distro and you can specify them with --basetgz or through conffiles) and chroots into it.
[06:35] <glick> coolness
[06:35] <bddebian> bureado: Aye but aren't the .tgz files extracted in a chroot or some such?
[06:37] <Amaranth> bddebian: Err, it would have to extract the files in order to have something to chroot into
[06:37] <bureado> bddebian: Under /var/cache/pbuilder/build/<number>, and then chroots in that directory. It builds the package and then moves it to /var/cache/pbuilder/result/.
[06:38] <bddebian> Amaranth: Well that is more what I meant yes.   ;-P
[07:17] <Burgundavia> bddebian: I do
[07:18] <Burgundavia> try port 22
[07:18] <Burgundavia> username corey
[07:18] <Laser_away> hmm, well it got me to login
[07:19] <Laser_away> but didn't like the password
[07:19] <Burgundavia> yes, because my password is not so easy to guess
[07:19] <Laser_away> well, I used my username
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I am truly baffled, because I can create redirects that work on any port, but it seems I cannot create a duplicate redirect for the same protocol as one I have already used
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I almost wonder if the firmware has a secret setting to silently drop connections
[07:20] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, I see the issue
[07:21] <Burgundavia> ok, try now
[07:21] <Burgundavia> I am an idito
[07:22] <Burgundavia> port 9000
[07:23] <Laser_away> still refused
[07:23] <Laser_away> Corey, if you have stuff to do don't let me take you away from it
[07:23] <Burgundavia> no, it is ok
[07:23] <Burgundavia> ok, this UI sucks
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ok, one last try and then I am giving up
[07:29] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: success?
[07:31] <Laser_away> sorry dude, nothing on 9000
[07:35] <Burgundavia> bugger, I will play tomorrow
[07:37] <Laser_away> np, maybe by the start of edgy+1 I'll have a decent pbuilder machine ;-)
[07:41] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:42] <bddebian> Laser_away: Well just send me a nice amd64 machine and I'll make sure I have a pbuilder on there for ya.. ;-)
[07:43] <Burgundavia> morning imbrandon
[07:43] <Burgundavia> I had a question for you
[07:43] <imbrandon> sure
[07:43] <imbrandon> nice souyuz piece btw
[07:43] <imbrandon> soyuz*
[07:45] <Burgundavia> soyuz piece?
[07:46] <imbrandon> i thought you wrote that last one for the fridge
[07:46] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:46] <imbrandon> might have been sladen
[07:47] <imbrandon> anyhow , rember what it was Burgundavia ?
[07:47] <imbrandon> heh
[07:47] <Burgundavia> that is the issue, I don't remember
[07:47] <Burgundavia> right, amarok
[07:47] <bddebian> Boy, even Laser_away doesn't talk to me anymore :'-(
[07:47] <imbrandon> lol bddebian
[07:47] <Burgundavia> Added support for edgy ( and future TBA releases ) to install-mp3 <-- what is this?
[07:48] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, ahh the install-mp3 script that Riddell made for amarok, it only worked ( or assumed ) that you were on dapper
[07:48] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: does it install mp3 support?
[07:48] <imbrandon> so i changed it to use lsbrelease -sc
[07:49] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yes , the first time you try to play a mp3 in amarok, if you dont have mp3 support it ask if you want to install it and
[07:49] <imbrandon> then uppon yes it does
[07:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:49] <Laser_away> bddebian: oh whatever
[07:49] <Laser_away> bddebian: you know I love you ;-)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> bddebian: we all love you
[07:50] <imbrandon> group hug ;)
[07:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, you guys are busy
[07:50] <Burgundavia> UWN edgy section is going to be big this week
[07:50] <Laser_away> good
[07:50] <imbrandon> hehe Burgundavia
[07:51] <bddebian> Bah
[07:51] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, if your wondering about that script for the UWN i can grab some screen shots, i have a fresh install on my laptop
[07:51] <Burgundavia> no, just wanted to mention it
[07:51] <imbrandon> ok sounds good ;)
[07:51] <bddebian> Now I have to take my antique arse to bed.  Gnight folks
[07:52] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[07:52] <imbrandon> hello robitaille
[07:52] <robitaille> Hi imbrandon
[07:53] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[07:53] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia
[07:54] <robitaille> sigh...some of the Knot-3 iso over bigger than 700mb... of course I discovered that after downloading one...
[07:54] <robitaille> there goes my plan to upgrade the laptop tonight :)
[07:54] <imbrandon> robitaille, heh what ones? try a dvd should work if you "abosolutely" need it
[07:54] <robitaille> I don't have a DVD writer :)
[07:54] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:54] <robitaille> edgy-alternate-i386.iso   is 702mb
[07:55] <imbrandon> hrm 702 ( upto 704 i /think/ ) should fit
[07:55] <imbrandon> specialy if your burner supports overburn but i think even if not
[07:55] <robitaille> it doesn't on my writer from what I can see with Nautilus
[07:56] <imbrandon> i dunno the onyl one i tested was the kubuntu desktop ppc
[07:56] <robitaille> anyway, I should probably test with the live installer instead of the alternate version
[07:56] <imbrandon> infact i guess i should do a laptop report on it since everything seems to work this go round, even wireless
[07:57] <imbrandon> well OOTB i should say, i always got the stuff working hehe
[08:02] <ivoks> lilo died?
[08:02] <imbrandon> yes
[08:02] <ivoks> :(
[08:03] <imbrandon> early today
[08:04] <Fujitsu> Yeah, :(
[08:04] <Fujitsu> #freenode-announce is going crazy.
[08:07] <bureado> Sorry for the OT, is there anyone using ORCA here?
[08:19] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it should.
[08:19] <imbrandon> yea , it should, just hopeing
[08:19] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[08:19] <rmjb> Hi, is the motu school still operational?
[08:20] <crimsun> rmjb: yes
[08:20] <imbrandon> rmjb, yessir
[08:20] <rmjb> the topic in the channel says next class is Aug 11
[08:21] <Fujitsu> rmjb, nobody changed the topic after the lat one.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> *last
[08:21] <imbrandon> rmjb, topic is a bit off, probably needs fixed
[08:21] <adamant1988> Fujitsu: this is the package list of what naim wants to remove. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23717
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Not related..
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Note that it says `are unused and will be removed'
[08:22] <adamant1988> it doesn't seem like they're not used... particularly since I just install wlassistant
[08:22] <Fujitsu> It just means that they are no longer depended on by anything, so it's removing them automatically... Nothing to do with the installation.
[08:22] <imbrandon> autoremove shouldent be on by default though should it
[08:22] <Fujitsu> adamant1988, it means they were just installed as dependencies of something else, and said something else has been removed.
[08:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, in aptitude it is.
[08:23] <imbrandon> adamant1988, do you have kubuntu-desktop likely
[08:23] <adamant1988> imbrandon: yes, I just installed kubuntu-desktop
[08:23] <imbrandon> ahh i never use aptitittude, it tries to be too smart
[08:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, agreed.
[08:23] <adamant1988> yeah, I used aptitude so I could remove any packages it installs with kubuntu-desktop
[08:24] <adamant1988> oh... I see what it's trying to do... kubuntu-desktop was removed and it wants to remove all the packages I installed with it?
[08:24] <imbrandon> well that be one of the side effects ;) yup
[08:24] <imbrandon> exactly
[08:24] <adamant1988> so... how do I fix this?>
[08:24] <imbrandon> here be dragons ( of aptitude ), use apt-get ;)
[08:25] <Fujitsu> Evening, Gloubiboulga..
[08:25] <adamant1988> so just switch to apt-get and it won't be a problem?
[08:25] <imbrandon> adamant1988, nope shouldent be
[08:25] <Fujitsu> adamant1988, yep.
[08:25] <Laser_away> well ...
[08:25] <adamant1988> that sucks though.. I really liked aptitude...
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> morning Fujitsu (8:25 am here)
[08:25] <adamant1988> ok, sorry for wasting your time :)
[08:25] <imbrandon> adamant1988, or reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[08:25] <Laser_away> adamant1988: you should be able to get aptitude to do what you want too
[08:25] <rmjb> you want to keep some apps that were installed with aptitude?
[08:26] <Laser_away> adamant1988: it just might take a little convincing ;-)
[08:26] <adamant1988> hrmmm let me try reinstalling kubuntu desktop
[08:26] <adamant1988> although I'm not sure why it's removed anyway
[08:26] <imbrandon> yea aptitude tries to be smarter than you but you can coax it
[08:26] <adamant1988> I didn't do it.
[08:26] <imbrandon> if you try hard enough
[08:27] <Laser_away> it is nice for the *-desktops
[08:27] <Laser_away> but I seem to get it confused (or maybe I get confused) fairly quickly :-)
[08:27] <imbrandon> Laser_away, not for people like me that remove oo.o on instalation in favor of koffice and thus remove the *-desktop ;)
[08:27] <rmjb> adamant1988: aptitude marks dependency packages as Auto installed. So if you want to keep a packages that's marked as Auto, issue an aptitude install command for it and that should remove the Auto nature of it
[08:28] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, that's what Edgy's new seeds are for.
[08:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i know
[08:28] <Laser_away> imbrandon: I just install koffice too
[08:28] <adamant1988> which puts it on par with apt-get
[08:28] <adamant1988> I'll just apt-get naim
[08:29] <rmjb> they all use dpkg in the backend so you can switch apt-get, aptitude and synaptic as much as you want
[08:29] <Laser_away> well, I've found that it isn't quite that easy
[08:29] <bureado> I honestly don't know what's the state of mixing frontends in Ubuntu, but in Debian it ends in a total catastrophe.
[08:30] <adamant1988> rmjb: yeah.. I was using aptitude because I wanted to not have to worry about removing needed depencies.
[08:30] <bureado> Synaptic actually seems to be apt-get, so mixing those seems to be OK. But when aptitude jumps in, it gets difficult.
[08:30] <rmjb> but if you use apt-get or synaptic aptitude wont know if those packages are Auto installed so it wont auto-remove them, if that's your intention the no probs
[08:30] <adamant1988> yeah... I'm just going to use apt-get from now one
[08:30] <adamant1988> on*
[08:31] <imbrandon> rmjb, and apt-get has a new sugested remove too like aptitude but dopes automativcly do it
[08:31] <bureado> adamant1988: Any decission will be OK as long as you stick uniformly with it.
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Yagisan, file a bug!
[08:31] <rmjb> that new feature is in the apt-get in the repos?
[08:31] <crimsun> no, nasty nasty bashisms.
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Dash is GOOD!
[08:32] <Fujitsu> Nasty POSIX-noncompliant scripts.
[08:32] <Yagisan> Fujitsu, I will
[08:32] <Yagisan> crimsun, it appears that any file that used source foo dies
[08:35] <crimsun> sorry, I'm not following?
[08:35] <crimsun> oh, 'source'. Right.
[08:35] <crimsun> '. foo' instead
[08:38] <Yagisan> ok. it's bug #60877 somone that is brighter then I at shell scripts might fix it.
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60877 in ddns3-client "ddns3 client does not start if /bin/sh is linked to dash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60877
[08:51] <StevenK> Yagisan: I'm happy to look at it, but I have no details for ddns
[08:52] <Yagisan> StevenK, you can set up a free account here -> http://www.ddns.nu/index.php
[08:52] <Yagisan> StevenK, it was stupid of me to not list that
[08:54] <Yagisan> StevenK, bug report updated
[08:57] <StevenK> Yagisan: Right. I have a patch for that particular error
[08:58] <Yagisan> StevenK, thanks mate.
[08:59] <StevenK> Yagisan: The rest of the script looks fine, apart from usage of ``, as opposed to $(), but that's just aesthetics.
[08:59] <StevenK> Yagisan: I can upload a fix, or I can throw the patch at the bug report.
[09:01] <Yagisan> StevenK, please upload, I'm not a motu
[09:04] <dotwaffle> hey all (if awake) looking to do an article for the UWN on the REVU day, anyone got anything to add?
[09:08] <imbrandon> dotwaffle, something about lilo this week would be nice
[09:08] <imbrandon> if Burgundavia hasent done it already
[09:09] <dotwaffle> imbrandon: Freenode's lilo as opposed to Linux Loader, I presume
[09:09] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I will add something
[09:09] <dotwaffle> He's on the job, quick devil :)
[09:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:17] <StevenK> Yagisan: Uploaded.
[09:18] <Yagisan> StevenK, thanks :)
[09:23] <imbrandon> hrm is there a kde ooby client ?
[09:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, no.
[09:24] <imbrandon> s/ooby/obby
[09:24] <imbrandon> but yea that sucks
[09:34] <seaLne> it would be nice in kopete :)
[09:34] <seaLne> i wonder tho if jabber is more the way forward for colaberative stuff
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: any reason why you're stealing the merges listed as me?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: enigma's a sync - it's been filed for a while.  clearly crimsun didnt see it.
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, is it? I didn't think dh_iconcache was included in any of those includes...
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Oops..
[09:38] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[09:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, you might be right
[09:38] <Hobbsee> maybe i'im confused
[09:38] <Fujitsu> I don't see why it would be there.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> is it in gnome.mk or kde.mk?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> oh well
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Er, enigma includes neither.
[09:38] <Fujitsu> It is in kde.mk, though.
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah right
[09:39] <Hobbsee> yes, of course it's in kde.mk :P
[09:39] <Hobbsee> i changed that :D
[09:40] <Fujitsu> I thought so.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> anyway, as a general note, you dont need to touch my merges at this poitn in the release cycle - most either dont build, upstream has updated with my changes, etc
[09:40] <Hobbsee> or they're waiting on sync.s
[09:40] <Fujitsu> I also see a substantial lack of sync request for Enigma...
[09:40] <Hobbsee> or at least poke me first :P
[09:40] <Fujitsu> OK.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, i noticed that...
[09:41] <Hobbsee> i thought i requested it
[09:41] <Hobbsee> or did i merge it already?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> !info enigma edgy
[09:41] <ubotu> enigma: A game where you control a marble with the mouse. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.3-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 612 kB, installed size 1748 kB
[09:41] <Hobbsee> weird
[09:41] <Hobbsee> dont remember what happened there
[09:41] <Fujitsu> You last did it on 2006/07/10.
[09:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, ages ago
[09:42] <Hobbsee> i thought i touched it since then
[09:42] <Hobbsee> weird.
[09:43] <Fujitsu> OK, I shall cease going near your merges from now on :)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> of course, when the merges first come.... :P
[09:43] <Hobbsee> well, poke me at least
[09:44] <Fujitsu> OK, I shall...
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[09:44] <Fujitsu> I've got nothing to do for the first 3 months of Edgy+1's development... No school...
[09:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:45] <Hobbsee> get merging :)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> once they've built the toolchain
[09:46] <Fujitsu> I plan to.
[09:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that's where a pbuilder for edgy+1 becomes your friend
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yeah...
[09:46] <glick> which method of creating packages is most used? debhelper, or CDBS?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> glick: debhelper.  both are fairly common
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Though I'll upgrade my laptop earlier for Edgy+1, because it won't be so used for production work.
[09:46] <glick> ok
[09:47] <glick> dratz, i feel so limited with only one machine :(
[09:47] <glick> i only have a humble little laptop
[09:48] <Fujitsu> glick, as do I.
[09:48] <Fujitsu> But I can afford to have it broken if I don't need it for school, and I like fixing broken systems :P
[09:49] <Hobbsee> glick: i only have 1 machine here too.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> glick: i can have 3 systems on 40GB though
[09:49] <Hobbsee> just tripple boot :P
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: separate partition.
[09:49] <glick> my frien on the other coast is supposed to hook my old p3 up that i left over there and connect it to the net
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: but dont even bother with that until they fix apt, etc
[09:50] <glick> heh
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dont even bother until they get the first milestone out or so - there's no point
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: everything's getting merged like crazy
[09:50] <Hobbsee> so it mostly doesnt work
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I upgraded just before Knot 1.
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, noted.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, same here.
[09:50] <Fujitsu> (I was on Dapper around Flight 1)
[09:50] <glick> well id like to be able to do test setups of things like squid and dns n stuff
[09:51] <Hobbsee> go for it
[09:51] <Hobbsee> it mostly works now
[09:51] <Hobbsee> i think
[09:51] <imbrandon> vmware / qemu ;)
[09:51] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't Edgy+1's name be released shortly?
[09:52] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yea semi soon
[09:52] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering when though
[09:52] <Hobbsee> seeing as the conference will be in under 2 months
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[09:52] <imbrandon> any day now if i was a betting man, last time it was about a month before release
[09:52] <Fujitsu> It was about a month before Dapper that Edgy was named.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Damn.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> I got in too late.
[09:52] <imbrandon> lol
[09:53] <imbrandon> we're just over a month out now soo it shouldent be long
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[09:54] <imbrandon> daft dango's ( arent those those AU dog's ? ) hehe
[09:54] <Hobbsee> dingos?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> you cant spell, imbrandon :P
[09:54] <imbrandon> yea htat was it
[09:54] <imbrandon> i dident know what they were called ;)
[09:54] <seaLne> and your alphabet is a bit out of order
[09:54] <StevenK> And a dingo is not a dog.
[09:55] <imbrandon> they are just dog's here
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Actually, the name was released a month before it /should/ have been released.
[09:55] <imbrandon> ahh thats right we're going in order
[09:55] <imbrandon> hrm F
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Dangos! Yay!
[09:55] <imbrandon> StevenK, they arent ?
[09:56] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, nope.
[09:56] <Fujitsu> They are distinct, and they eat babies, whereas dogs don't so much :P
[09:56] <seaLne> in the same way wolfs aren't dogs?
[09:56] <StevenK> seaLne: Correct.
[09:56] <imbrandon> wolfs are dogs
[09:56] <Yagisan> a dingo is a "dog", but a marsupial variety. Not what you'd associate with a domesticated dog, but still
[09:56] <StevenK> imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo
[09:56] <imbrandon> wolf is just a wild dog
[09:56] <imbrandon> heh
[09:56] <StevenK> imbrandon: A wolf is not a wild dog.
[09:57] <Yagisan> it is still a member of the canine family
[09:57] <StevenK> imbrandon: That's like calling an American a person
[09:57] <imbrandon> StevenK, if they can mate they are of the same species
[09:57] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:57] <imbrandon> wolf and domesticated dogs can intermix so they are one in the same
[09:57] <imbrandon> species
[09:59] <imbrandon> hahaha Americans != people /me will rember that
[10:00] <Yagisan> all you ever wanted to know about "dogs" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis
[10:00] <imbrandon> StevenK, wow wikipeda says they are wild dogs heh
[10:00] <imbrandon> and no i dident edit it
[10:00] <imbrandon> quote : The dingo (plural dingos or dingoes), Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf
[10:01] <imbrandon> heh looks like a dingo is closer to a wolf than a domestic dog anyhow
[10:07] <Yagisan> oh, I'm in wikipedia o_O I feel so special
[10:08] <glick> is the debian package manual more comprehensice then the one that comes with ubuntu?
[10:14] <imbrandon> glick, the debian one still applies for the most part then read the ubuntu one for specifics
[10:14] <imbrandon> to ubuntu
[10:15] <glick> so mainly the only difference is versioning schemes?
[10:15] <imbrandon> there are a few other things but that is the main one noticed first
[10:15] <imbrandon> mostly where files are put too when installed is a bit diffrent at times
[10:15] <imbrandon> brb
[10:50] <Lathiat> Hrm lynx in ubuntu is version 2.8.5-2ubuntu2, which is higher than the 2.8.5-2sarge2.1 in unstable (ubuntu version was based of -2sarge1) i guess the version was modified incorrectly what would be the appropriate fix?
[10:50] <Lathiat> fake sync with ubuntu3 ?
[10:53] <Fujitsu> Lathiat, yes.
[10:54] <Lathiat> I guess the right thing would have been to use -2sarge1ubuntu1 in the first place?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> Lathiat, if it was based on that.
[10:56] <Lathiat> it was
[10:56] <Lathiat> and later -2sarge2 was added
[10:56] <Lathiat> i guess the sarge thing could have been added later in debian tho
[10:56] <Lathiat> in which case youd have the same problem
[10:56] <Fujitsu> You sure there wasn't a -2ubuntu1 first?
[10:57] <Lathiat> no the -2ubuntu1 changelog has -2sarge1 in the changelog history
[10:57] <Fujitsu> hm.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> So it should have been -2sarge1ubuntu1, probably.
[10:57] <Lathiat> +--  6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt  ----------
[10:57] <Lathiat> +--  6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt  --------
[10:57] <Lathiat> +--  9 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2sarge1) stable-security; urgency=high -- Martin Schul
[10:57] <Lathiat> right
[10:59] <Fujitsu> I trust pitti, though... There must have been a reason for it.
[10:59] <Lathiat> i would assume a simple mistake *shrug*
[11:04] <Lathiat> Also does it make sense to keep the package changelog history
[11:04] <Lathiat> even fi the versions dont order properly?
[11:04] <Lathiat> one was a rebuidl and the others a change thats now in debian (simple build-dep) does it make more sense just to strip them out?
[01:32] <Adri2000> hi
[01:33] <Adri2000> can someone run revu-report on this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3153 please?
[01:51] <kmon_> hi
[01:52] <kmon_> I would like to request a package that's in debian but not in ubuntu: bonfire, a gtk gstreamer0.10 burning tool
[01:52] <kmon_> how can I do the request?
[01:54] <kmon_> Hobbsee: that package?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> kmon_: check if the debian package builds in ubuntu edgy, if it does, request a sync
[01:54] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bonfire/+bug/57199
[01:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57199 in bonfire "Add bonfire/ brasero" [Unknown,Fix released]
[01:54] <lucas> kmon_: what's the source package name for bonfire ?
[01:55] <kmon_> I think it's bonfire
[01:55] <kmon_> here's the debian package page:
[01:55] <kmon_> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bonfire&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[01:56] <lucas> ok, it's one of the hundreds of packages from Debian which were never synced to ubuntu
[01:57] <Adri2000> bonfire is now known as brasero: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3133
[01:57] <kmon_> I gess debian is too big ;)
[01:57] <kmon_> Adri2000: yes, I've just noticed
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: you made that package?
[02:02] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: no, mr_pouit made it
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: ahh okay
[02:02] <ivoks> kmon_: bonfire will get in 26th
[02:02] <kmon_> ivoks: thanks
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ivoks: you're adding it?  hi, by the way
[02:03] <ivoks> Hobbsee: hi
[02:03] <ivoks> Hobbsee: let's say i know the author :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ivoks: ahhh :)
[02:03] <ivoks> we are waiting for a new release that will make it easier to maintain packages
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ivoks: do i want to dare ask about firefox?
[02:03] <ivoks> firefox?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh grrr.  dont worry, i'm getting you mixed up.
[02:03] <ivoks> :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ivoks: you're the printing guy, right?
[02:04] <ivoks> hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> well, that's one of the things you do, anyway :P  i think
[02:04] <ivoks> you can say that, a printing guy :)
[02:04] <ivoks> what about firefox?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> was wondering when <IP_ADDRESS> would make it into ubuntu
[02:05] <ivoks> am i the only one with broken navigation toolbar? :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> !info firefox
[02:05] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ivoks: i dont use that broken thing called gnome.  *g*
[02:05] <ivoks> :p
[02:05] <ivoks> :)
[02:06] <thom> oh please. at least gnome actually has a ui design, rather than just using small children to throw paint at the screen and adding the code to make it work
[02:06] <tseng> Hobbsee: haha!
[02:06] <tseng> Hobbsee: good one
[02:06] <Fujitsu> thom, hahaha. True.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> tseng: :P
[02:06] <ivoks> thom: :)
[02:06] <ivoks> let's start a flamewar :)
[02:06] <tseng> Muine is a Gnome app
[02:06] <tseng> enough said
[02:06] <thom> i started amarok the other day, whilst searching for a decent media player. holy crap. could there be any more options?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> thom: i'm surprised that they're still allowing printing to happen in gnome at all - seeing as a button there to configure which printer to use was seen to be too complex.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ivoks: seems like it :P
[02:07] <ivoks> hahaha don't get me start on KDE and printing :)
[02:07] <azeem> thom: if you can't cope with amarok, it means you are unable to make decisions
[02:07] <tseng> Hobbsee: thats a good troll, but entirely untrue
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ivoks: we've decreased functionality, to be more like gnome :P
[02:07] <Hobbsee> tseng: awww...i was told it was
[02:07] <ivoks> Hobbsee: to 0? :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> tseng: jdong whinged about it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ivoks: no, it does have functionality.  some.
[02:08] <DarkMageZ> azeem, no, it's a matter on how the persons mind works.
[02:08] <ivoks> Citing printing.kde.org 'Latest news: Februar 2002." :)
[02:08] <tseng> Hobbsee: no comment, read my mind
[02:08] <DarkMageZ> thom, if amarok doesn't work out for you, rhythmbox might
[02:08] <Hobbsee> tseng: right
[02:08] <ivoks> anyway...
[02:08] <ivoks> take care guys
[02:09] <tseng> bye ivoks
[02:09] <Hobbsee> bye ivoks!
[02:09] <ivoks> hug time
[02:09] <ivoks> yay
[02:09] <Hobbsee> yay, hugs :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> heh.
[02:09] <thom> DarkMageZ: rb doesn't even run currently, but i've no idea why
[02:09] <ivoks> i have exams next week :/
[02:09] <tseng> thom: i blame dbus
[02:09] <thom> tseng: seems reasonable
[02:09] <tseng> thom: covers most everything
[02:09] <DarkMageZ> thom, are you on edgy?
[02:09] <Fujitsu> :)
[02:10] <tseng> thom: mine works btw
[02:10] <tseng> not that I would want to use this
[02:10] <thom> DarkMageZ: yes
[02:10] <Hobbsee> that would have worked so much better if i'd gotten the command right.
[02:10] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yeah.
[02:10] <thom> oh well, last-exit does what i need
[02:10] <tseng> woo last-exit
[02:11] <Mithrandir> quod libet wfm.
[02:11] <tseng> hi Tollef
[02:12] <Mithrandir> hello tseng
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[02:12] <thom> Mithrandir: ah, i'd forgotten about q-l
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <tseng> kmon_: yay banshee
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: just you wait for me to get to a developer summit :P
[02:13] <thom> tseng: you just have an autofilter for anything mono and yay it, right? ;-)
[02:13] <tseng> thom: hm not really
[02:13] <lifeless> scary thought
[02:13] <tseng> thom: but there are alot of great gtk# apps so far
[02:14] <tseng> banshee, muine, last-exit happen to be my favorites regardless of platform bias
[02:14] <tseng> been using muine for years
[02:14] <tseng> when it was basically the only useful mono app
[02:15] <thom> tseng: i was just trolling gently :-)
[02:15] <tseng> the most amazing part about banshee is ipod support
[02:15] <tseng> in two directions
[02:15] <thom> lifeless: did you see that sun open sourced that research smalltalk vm the other day, btw?
[02:16] <tseng> does anyone else even do that well?
[02:16] <lifeless> strongtalk yeah
[02:16] <sladen> Hobbsee: ask simira and she'll do the Mithrandir poking for you!
[02:16] <lifeless> commercial smalltalk - vw specifically is still faster
[02:16] <Hobbsee> sladen: could be a plan
[02:16] <Mithrandir> sladen: she loves me too much for that. :-P
[02:16] <tseng> poking-by-proxy
[02:16] <lifeless> self which is suns older smalltalk was a predecessor of strongtalk, by the same folk
[02:17] <lifeless> apparently lots of the techniques in strongtalk are in use today, buts its still rocking fast
[02:17] <thom> lifeless: no doubt, but it's an interesting step esp given sun's current interest in ruby
[02:17] <sladen> Mithrandir: yeah, I fear she might actually enjoy it :)
[02:17] <lifeless> (and note that java hotspot is what strongtalk became)
[02:18] <thom> yeah
[02:18] <lifeless> thom: well they open sourced everything but the vm some years back, this was planned and known to be coming
[02:36] <kmon_> bye
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <siretart> KhanReape1: ping
[04:16] <siretart> KhanReape1: see your inbox
[04:19] <thrice`> can packages be requested to appear in universe if they do not currently exist in the repositories ?
[04:20] <tseng> does it exist in Debian?
[04:22] <thrice`> it doesn't appear to, no
[04:22] <tseng> then someone will need to do the packaging and post it to REVU
[04:24] <thrice`> i was going to package it myself, but .deb creation still confuses me :)
[04:25] <tseng> you are certainly welcome to ask questions here as you go
[04:26] <thrice`> thanks.  I'm just used to bash buildscripts, I suppose
[06:12] <Adri2000> who has not yet reviewed a package on REVU today ? :-)
[06:13] <ivoks> Adri2000: i would be glad to help you, but i can't for next two weeks (exams) :/
[06:14] <Adri2000> good luck for your exams ;)
[06:14] <ivoks> thanks
[07:24] <hikenboot> hello all---can anyone give me a clue as to how I would go from ubuntu-meta to ubuntu-desktop...I know I have to compile it some way but it doesnt contain a config or a make file so how would i do it?
[07:25] <hikenboot> I have removed open-office from the list of packages that it includes and want to transform it to the ubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <scotth> hikenboot: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[08:34] <scotth> do that in the root directory of the package
[08:34] <scotth> the actual makefile your looking for is debian/rules
[09:15] <hikenboot> scotth thanks a bunch!
[09:47] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: ping
[10:01] <surimi> hello
[10:03] <phanatic> good evening
[10:04] <surimi> I have install the only 200Mo from KDE for compiling this tar http://de.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39052 and spend many hours to understand
[10:05] <surimi> it's hard to be a linux user and having free application like in Windows and Mac like http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX
[10:16] <sladen_> surimi: "200Mo" ?
[10:17] <sladen_> Riddell: ^^does that make more sense to you?
[10:18] <surimi> sladen_, yes, all the package I had to install :\
[10:25] <surimi> the Scibus chan is pro KDE and Suse. So I have install too Konqueror and many paquets ^@^ and in fact I haven't the same than the few Mo for Linotype FontExplorer X. It's a pitty. Inkscape and Scibus are good applications. But where is the necessary font manager killer application ?
[10:26] <surimi> I have try this one too http://www.gesindel.de/page_whatis_english.php ^@^
[10:26] <sladen_> surimi: what's a "Mo" ?
[10:26] <wastrel> hello
[10:26] <surimi> nice but... I have finalised the installation :D
[10:27] <sladen_> surimi: excellent to know!
[10:27] <surimi> sladen_, sorry Mb en english
[10:27] <sladen_> surimi: ah, gotcha, a MB
[10:27] <surimi> * haven't finalised
[10:28] <surimi> too difficult for an standard human user ^^
[10:28] <surimi> to
[10:29] <surimi> it's my today experiments : it's hard to be a linux user :p
[10:29] <surimi> if someone can give some help to these developpements it will be so nice. I think.
[10:30] <surimi> I have read in a french blog that Linux is the Mac killer :D
[10:30] <surimi> I would so, to.
[10:31] <Toadstool> surimi: no it's not hard as long as you use what is packaged in your distribution :)
[10:31] <surimi> Toadstool, true
[10:31] <surimi> Toadstool, but there is no deb for Kunbuntu too.
[10:31] <tseng> Ubugtu: bug 60831
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60831 in f-spot "f-spot crash" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60831
[10:32] <Toadstool> surimi: I think you should ask for help in #ubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr-testing, this chan is more about packaging new stuff etc than for support ;)
[10:32] <surimi> and no Gnome projet ('aussi bien' in english) developped
[10:33] <surimi> Toadstool, I have made so, Sp4rky helped me a lot, Gloubiboulga too.
[10:33] <Toadstool> surimi: well, of course you can try to package the applications you're talking about :)
[10:33] <surimi> perhaps I'll have my deb this night \o/
[10:33] <Toadstool> cool
[10:34] <surimi> but when we love, we don't count :)
[10:39] <surimi> and now ladies and gentlemen http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?213
[10:41] <surimi> with sudo :p
[10:45] <surimi> next step http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?214
[10:47] <Adri2000> in debian/control, Section: should it be gnome or universe/gnome ?
[10:47] <Toadstool> gnome
[10:48] <Adri2000> k
[10:48] <xhaker> people.. help me identify this as a bug please
[10:48] <xhaker> package wondershaper
[10:48] <xhaker> last changelog states it was reviewed for dash compatibility
[10:49] <xhaker> still.. there are "==" statements there
[10:49] <Toadstool> then it's a bug
[10:50] <wastrel> what's dash compatibility?
[10:50] <xhaker> dash is a POSIS strict shell
[10:51] <xhaker> bash as some added functionality
[10:51] <xhaker> dash is in some cases faster
[10:51] <xhaker> Toadstool, the source in debian is correct
[10:51] <xhaker> the versions are the same in debian and ubuntu edgy
[10:52] <xhaker> i think
[10:53] <xhaker> there is a patch here
[10:53] <xhaker> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292123
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 292123 in wondershaper "wondershaper: Wondershaper does not work with dash" [Important,Open]
[10:55] <Toadstool> wow, looks like the package is no more maintained...
[10:59] <xhaker> there is no ubuntu changes
[10:59] <xhaker> the package was synched right?
[10:59] <xhaker> the changelog stating the source was patched is what puzzles me
[11:00] <xhaker> it clearly states dash-readyness
[11:03] <Toadstool> well, it's obviously not dash-ready with all those "=="
[11:03] <xhaker> that bug report has the needed patch.. is that easy
[11:04] <xhaker> but how about fixing it in debian and ubuntu?
[11:04] <phanatic> just a new upstream release: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3160 could anybody have a look at it, and upload maybe?
[11:04] <xhaker> maybe it's easier in debian and sync
[11:05] <xhaker> still the bug report is older than 1 year
[11:05] <xhaker> haha
[11:09] <Adri2000> Depends: python-central (>= 0.5), python < is it normal ?
[11:09] <Adri2000> python-central is in the B-D, but should it be also in the Depends ?
[11:10] <LaserJock> um, yes I think so
[11:10] <Adri2000> okay
[11:10] <LaserJock> because I think python-central handles the byte-compiling of the python modules when the package is installed
[11:11] <crimsun> it doesn't need to be explicit
[11:12] <crimsun> ${python:Depends} will pull that in
[11:12] <LaserJock> really?
[11:12] <LaserJock> it knows to do python-central vs python-support?
[11:12] <Adri2000> crimsun: yeah but it needs to be explicit in the B-D ?
[11:12] <crimsun> it needs to be an explicit b-d
[11:12] <xhaker> +Package: tcng
[11:12] <xhaker> +Architecture: any
[11:12] <xhaker> +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, iproute, cpp
[11:12] <xhaker> tcng needs cpp ?
[11:13] <surimi> Toadstool, I have my killer application http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?215 : there is no phto between this and this http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX :op
[11:13] <crimsun> Adri2000: I'm answering your query regarding whether p-c needs to be an explicit Depends
[11:13] <surimi> * photo
[11:14] <Adri2000> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), python-central (>= 0.5), python-gtk2-dev
[11:14] <Adri2000> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}
[11:14] <surimi> only 300MB and a half day to understand (?) compilation \o/
[11:14] <Adri2000> that's ok ?
[11:14] <Toadstool> phanatic: pbuilding
[11:14] <phanatic> Toadstool: thanks
[11:14] <crimsun> Adri2000: yes
[11:15] <Adri2000> uploaded :)
[11:16] <crimsun> Adri2000: you'll also need the appropriate X{B,S}-Python-Version
[11:16] <Adri2000> XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}
[11:16] <Adri2000> XS-Python-Version: all
[11:16] <Toadstool> phanatic: uploaded
[11:16] <crimsun> excellent
[11:18] <phanatic> Toadstool: great, thank you very much :)
[11:18] <Toadstool> there's a REVU day tomorrow?
[11:18] <LaserJock> yes, show up :-)
[11:18] <Toadstool> phanatic: np ;)
[11:19] <Toadstool> yeah!
[11:19] <LaserJock> hopefully I'll even be able to do some reviewing
[11:19] <Toadstool> :)
[11:19] <hikenboot> hello all---back again I compiled ubuntu-desktop metapackage after removing openoffice from the list of files in the desktop-i386 file it compiled a.o.k...but I get a bunch of dependency errors trying to install...if the cd already contains ubuntu-live and ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop does it stand to reason that all the dependencies would aready be installed?
[11:20] <LaserJock> hikenboot: how are you installing it? dpkg ?
[11:21] <hikenboot> yes with dpkg -i
[11:22] <hikenboot> also i get errors trying to run the update script in the ubuntu-meta directory so i tried without running it
[11:22] <LaserJock> dpkg doesn't automatically resolve dependencies
[11:22] <hikenboot> how would you suggest i install it...its a .deb file?
[11:22] <LaserJock> but if you already had ubuntu-desktop and just removed openoffice I would expect much difference
[11:23] <LaserJock> apt-get -f install will grab the dependencies
[11:23] <LaserJock> but make sure to look at what it's wanting to do
[11:23] <hikenboot> it wants to install every bloody desktop app under the sun which i cant see it requiring
[11:24] <LaserJock> and you already had ubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:24] <hikenboot> yes its the ubuntu live cd
[11:24] <hikenboot> for 6.06
[11:25] <LaserJock> hmm, kinda seems like your ubuntu-desktop got messed up somewhere in the proccess
[11:26] <hikenboot> i dont see how i compiled the new one from ubuntu-meta and the old one is from a fresh iso
[11:27] <hikenboot> which runs and installs to the virtual hard drive in vmware by the way
[11:28] <LaserJock> well, I'd compare the deps of both .debs
[11:29] <LaserJock> openoffice should be the only difference if all went well
[11:29] <hikenboot> perhaps i could try substituting the office suite for another package which takes considerably less space but does the same functions?
[11:33] <hikenboot> i really cant see that openoffice being a requirement for ubuntu desktop to run
[11:34] <LaserJock> well, Ubuntu wants to have a functional desktop, many people see openoffice as a part of that
[11:34] <hikenboot> I know but what I mean is for the cd to work...just work I cant see it being necessary...can you?
[11:35] <hikenboot> its not like udev ..or some library package
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh, right
[11:35] <hikenboot> maybe the problem is it needs to have the updates run
[11:35] <hikenboot> if i run ./update I get a bunch of http errors
[11:36] <LaserJock> and your network works?
[11:36] <hikenboot> is working perfectly
[11:36] <ajmitch> hi
[11:36] <hikenboot> i can browse the internet i can use apt-get everythings a.o.k.
[11:36] <LaserJock> k
[11:36] <hikenboot> not to mention xchat tworks
[11:37] <LaserJock> so you are trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from within a livecd, right?
[11:37] <hikenboot> no i am trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from the system no chroot
[11:37] <hikenboot> should i be doing it from inside the cd
[11:37] <hikenboot> /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: line 875: /home/hikenboot/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta-0.43/debootstrap-dir/var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_main_binary-ia64_Packages: No such file or directory
[11:38] <LaserJock> no, I'm just not sure what you're doing
[11:38] <hikenboot> seems like its missing the ia64 files or somthing
[12:06] <lynxorgd> NEW GAME http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <eddyp> does anybody have an idea how does Ubuntu's REVU works wrt the versions of packages which are uploaded? How do I get the most recent version
[12:06] <eddyp> example: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2694
[12:07] <eddyp> where from do I get the most recent version?


[00:00] <ruien> good night
[02:09] <Psil0Cybin> Hey guys
[04:12] <keithclark> How do I start the program transmission via the comman line?  I'm trying to run this via an x session over ssh
[04:15] <rosemball> keithclark, transmission-gtk works for me
[04:15] <rosemball> maybe transmission-qt for you
[04:17] <ruien> a bit off topic, but if you need a good headless client, might want to look into 'aria2'
[04:18] <keithclark> rosemball, transmission-gtk works great here!  Thanks.
[04:19] <rosemball> you are welcome
[04:19] <keithclark> My headless server is massive compared to my little netbook and I want to be able to access that machine for doing torrent downloads
[04:20] <keithclark> I've installed xubuntu on it and accessing x sessions via ssh is working wonderfully.
[04:21] <keithclark> Well,, I've installed Proxmox first, then a ubuntu 13.04 server, then xubuntu and it all ties together just fine!  Lots of fun.
[04:26] <rosemball> nice
[04:26] <bazhang> for the cli? use rtorrent
[04:27] <keithclark> bazhang, yeah, I've used rtorrent in the past.  transmission is just so easy.
[04:28] <bazhang> keithclark, why would you want to start transmission from the command line
[04:28] <keithclark> bazhang, netbook connected via ssh to a headless server
[04:28] <bazhang> !find transmission
[04:28] <bazhang> keithclark, ^
[04:29] <keithclark> Yup, already have the answer via rosemball.
[04:29] <bazhang> transmission-cli , not -qt
[04:29] <keithclark> transmission-gtk
[04:30] <bazhang> thats with a gui
[04:30] <keithclark> Yes, what I wanted.  Maybe you missed something?
[04:30] <bazhang> headless server?
[04:31] <rosemball> keithclark, you may also try to use the remote management mode, where you use your browser to work with transmission
[04:31] <bazhang> rtorrent is really the choice here
[04:31] <keithclark> Yes, I have a netbook accessing a headless server. I wanted to access transmission  gui via ssh.
[04:31] <bazhang> much easier than transmission in every respect
[04:31] <keithclark> rosemball, that is a great idea, researching now.
[04:32] <keithclark> bazhang, I will look at rtorrent again.  It has been a long time.
[04:37] <keithclark> I have this quad core server with 16 GB of RAM and a RAID 5 setup that I want to be able to use with my netbooks in the house.  My netbooks are old machines with only 1 GB RAM on them.  Running programs via ssh X sessions is so much faster than local|!
[04:38] <keithclark> Just experimenting I guess
[04:38] <rosemball> I wanted to do something like this, more like thin clients
[04:39] <keithclark> Exactly
[04:39] <keithclark> It seems to be working here.  xubuntu desktop installed on the server and running remote ssh sessions.
[04:40] <rosemball> what about bandwidth overheard?
[04:40] <keithclark> Seems fine on my lan here.
[04:40] <keithclark> I've not tried it remotely yet though.
[04:40] <rosemball> nice
[04:41] <keithclark> It seems to be.  I'm still learning though.  We got this server for just $70 CDN
[04:41] <rosemball> big deal :)
[04:42] <keithclark> I just want to be able to use it.  I think this setup could support 4-5 netbooks in a thin client setup.  Easily
[08:13] <Soe1en> hello people, I have a problem with my microphone!
[08:13] <Soe1en> turns out I can record audio with audacity, but on skype the microphone seems not to work
[08:14] <Soe1en> I fear something is missconfigured between alsa and pulseaudio, could somebody help me?
[08:17] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/96367/how-can-i-get-line-in-microphone-working-with-skype-on-lubuntu-11-10 something like that?
[08:20] <Soe1en> let me take a look
[08:22] <Soe1en> kinda, he rather had an issue with his usb micro
[08:23] <Soe1en> mine is an internal micro, therefore alsomixer looks a bit different on my side, there are no aux, analog source, digital source etc channels
[08:23] <TheSheep> !skype
[08:23] <TheSheep> hmm
[08:23] <TheSheep> that page has a 'troubleshooting' section
[08:27] <Soe1en> the thing is I don't even get anything at pulse audio control,  not only skype
[08:27] <Soe1en> as for audacity it seems like I can access directly to alsa
[08:27] <Soe1en> which is why I believe pulseaudio might be missconfigured, not skype
[08:28] <Soe1en> the troudbleshooting section did not do the trick btw
[08:28] <TheSheep> or maybe something is hogging the mike from alsa and not letting pulseaudio use it
[08:28] <TheSheep> that's why you shouldn't use alsa directly
[08:29] <Soe1en> it's not like I could access pulseaudio directly with audacity
[08:29] <TheSheep> there is no plugin?
[08:29] <Soe1en> as far as I can see I can only choose alsa
[08:30] <TheSheep> well, try closing audacity and see if that frees it for pa
[08:33] <Soe1en> well sometimes it's freezing
[08:34] <Unit193> You can also try the troubleshooting section on the pulse wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
[08:34] <Soe1en> and no I always close audacity after a quick test
[08:39] <Soe1en> ah great, now it
[08:39] <Soe1en> s not even working on audacity haha
[08:44] <bazhang> ubot93, lag
[08:44] <bazhang> hokay
[08:49] <Soe1en> nope, article was not helpful at all
[08:50] <Soe1en> mhhh, maybe there is a pulseaudio channel here on freenode
[08:50] <nikolam> help.ubuntu.com needs google.com to display serach result.
[08:50] <nikolam> Someone at Ubuntu don' value privacy...
[08:50] <nikolam> I think it is from the top..
[08:59] <Michiel^> hi, i have a problem with xfce4. Yesterday I installed FreeNX, and today, i can't login anymore on my machine
[08:59] <Michiel^> I allready tried to remove ~/.cache/sessions/*
[09:01] <Michiel^> do you guys have any idea?
[09:02] <bekks> Michiel^: Check disk space, I suspect you ae running out of it.
[09:02] <Michiel^> no it's a fresh install
[09:02] <Michiel^> 210GB available
[09:03] <bekks> Please pastebin "df -h"
[09:05] <Michiel^> one moment, it looks like it doesn't have a network connection atm, so i cant login
[09:08] <bekks> You dont need a network connection for login.
[09:09] <Michiel^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105307/
[09:09] <Michiel^> i'm on IRC at another machine
[09:09] <Michiel^> so network is needed for copy/paste :)
[09:09] <Michiel^> I see a strange error now, in the df -h output
[09:22] <Michiel^> bekks: I also tried to clean my ~/.config/xfce4 directory, no success
[09:24] <bekks> Michiel^: Try creating a new user and login with that new user.
[09:27] <Michiel^> bekks: same problem
[09:28] <bekks> Then you have to check the logs to see whats the issue.
[09:29] <Michiel^> well.. which one..? I checked ~/.xsession-errors
[09:30] <bekks> Pastebin it, and take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:34] <Michiel^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105413/, session errors
[09:35] <Michiel^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105416/ and my Xorg log
[09:35] <Michiel^> I also tried to login with the Nx client, this works ...
[09:35] <Michiel^> but is another screen resolution
[09:35] <Michiel^> from another machine ofcourse
[09:36] <bekks> And is a totally different way of login in.
[09:36] <Michiel^> true
[09:37] <Michiel^> just trying to give you all the information, so hopefully you can help me
[09:37] <bekks> Could you pastebin "lsb_release -a", "uname -a", and "dmesg" too please?
[09:40] <Michiel^> here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105430/
[09:53] <Michiel^> what the ....
[09:54] <Michiel^> i did a logout in my nx client
[09:54] <Michiel^> now i can login...
[09:54] <Michiel^> lets try if it still works after a reboot
[09:55] <bekks> Why shouldnt it?
[09:55] <bekks> Its not Windows :)
[09:55] <Michiel^> and it works
[09:55] <Michiel^> lol\
[09:56] <Michiel^> thanx for you effort anyway
[13:40] <xubuntu738> Hello?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> xubuntu738, greetings
[13:41] <xubuntu738> Hi,im looking for help,would you be able to assist me?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !ask
[13:43] <xubuntu738> Sorry,I'm running windows 7,but I was suggested to use xubuntu.I downloaded the 36-bit torrent iso,but how do I use it?
[13:44] <cfhowlett> 36 bit?   Server would be debian 7 and client would be xubuntu 13.04. Is there anything out there that can handle 1920x1200 @ 60fps?
[16:27] <bekks> LOL, no.
[16:27] <bekks> Your network is too slow for that.
[16:27] <Monkeytoe> I have a 10 gigabit connection between the two computers
[16:29] <Monkeytoe> running two intel x540-t1's with a crossover cable between the two computers
[16:33] <Monkeytoe> as I understand it a single link dvi which is capable of 1920x1200 @ 60fps is 3.96 Gb/s.... Its why I purchased the two 10 Gigabit cards so I should be fine as far as network connection.
[16:33] <Monkeytoe> 3.96 Gb/s is the spec on single link dvi that is
[16:33] <TheSheep> Monkeytoe: I don't think your graphics card can handle receiving that many pixels per second
[16:34] <TheSheep> not to mention other parts
[16:34] <bekks> Neither your graphics card can do that, nor your PCI bus. And basically it is nonsense.
[16:34] <bekks> What is your main goal? Gaming over RDP?
[16:34] <Monkeytoe> Yes
[16:35] <bekks> ROFLMAO
[16:35] <bekks> Good luck, waste other peoples time please :)
[16:36] <Monkeytoe> I fail to see how the PCI bus is not capable of 3.96 gigabits/s
[16:37] <Monkeytoe> the network card is running on x8 pcie 2.1
[16:37] <Monkeytoe> the graphics cards are amd 7950's
[16:37] <bekks> All you have to do is implement an RDP protocol that is capable of 1920x1200@60.
[16:37] <bekks> If you are done, call us again :)
[16:38] <Monkeytoe> so now its a software limitation? you just got through saying its a hardware limitation
[16:38] <Monkeytoe> rather rudely I might add
[16:39] <bekks> It is a combination of hardware and software limitations.
[16:39] <bekks> After fixing your hardware, only the missing software is left.
[16:42] <xubuntu747> Hola alguien que hable español que me pueda ayudar con un problema que tengo con xubuntu
[16:42] <bekks> !es | xubuntu747
[16:48] <TheSheep> Monkeytoe: there are several limitations in there, mostly because nobody seems to have such needs
[16:49] <TheSheep> Monkeytoe: you are the first, you can try experimenting and something may actually work, but don't expect anyone with experience with something like this
[16:49] <Monkeytoe> im wondering if a dvi over IP adapter would be better
[16:49] <Monkeytoe> I already use synergy to share keyboard/mouse between the two computers
[16:50] <TheSheep> why does it have to be ip?
[16:50] <Monkeytoe> doesnt have to be
[16:51] <Monkeytoe> just need to get the video stream from that computer to this one in a window
[16:51] <TheSheep> a long video cable sounds more reliable and cheaper
[16:51] <TheSheep> in a window :/
[17:13] <Pwnna> stock ubuntu has a wacom tablet settings thing
[17:13] <Pwnna> does XFCE have this? or can i install a package?
[17:14] <Pwnna> kde-config-tablet ?
[17:16] <baizon> Pwnna: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/mouse
[17:18] <Pwnna> baizon: but that doesn't have a lot of settings
[17:18] <Pwnna> i need dual screen support, and so forth
[17:19] <baizon> Pwnna: http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=104309
[17:20] <Pwnna> i'm pretty sure that one is outdated
[17:20] <Pwnna> i have no problem using xinput, but i think it's breaking my right click on my trackpoint
[17:20] <Pwnna> (thinkpad)
[17:26] <TheSheep> Pwnna: unfortunately no
[17:26] <TheSheep> Pwnna: you can try gpointing-device-settings
[17:27] <Pwnna> eh it's okay
[17:27] <Pwnna> i think my right click problem might be a hardware issue
[17:27] <Pwnna> it occasionally works. xev is not even detecting sometimes..
[17:27] <TheSheep> Pwnna: but there is nothing for wacom tablets specifically, I just have a script that sets everything up with xsetwacin'
[17:27] <TheSheep> xsetwacom
[17:27] <Pwnna> same
[17:27] <Pwnna> xsetwacom set "Wacom Bamboo Connect Pen stylus" MapToOutput $1
[17:28] <TheSheep> there are several abandoned projects for a wacom gui
[17:28] <Pwnna> yeah
[17:28] <Pwnna> whatever.
[17:28] <Pwnna> should create a widget for this for xfce
[17:28] <Pwnna> so i can switch between screens
[17:29] <Pwnna> TheSheep: i want a way to like.. restrict the pen movement
[17:29] <TheSheep> just bind it to a key
[17:29] <Pwnna> to a portion of the screen. that i select..
[17:29] <TheSheep> you can set the mode to 'window'
[17:29] <Pwnna> how?
[17:30] <TheSheep> gpointing-device-settings
[17:30] <Pwnna> can i do it via xinput?
[17:30] <TheSheep> ah, no, sorry
[17:31] <Pwnna> well there's gotta be a way to do it via command line?
[17:31] <TheSheep> it's in the "mouse & touchpad" settings in xubuntu settings
[17:31] <TheSheep> you can also set it up in gimp, inkscape or mypaint individually
[17:32] <TheSheep> yeah, it's called "mode" and it can be "screen" or "window"
[17:32] <TheSheep> or "absolute" and "relative"
[17:32] <Pwnna> relative is bs
[17:32] <Pwnna> doesn't work well
[17:32] <TheSheep> yeah, that's for mice
[17:32] <Pwnna> tbh it's okay. i just have xournal to full screen
[17:35] <TheSheep> be glad it's wacom, other tablets have *much* worse support
[17:35] <Pwnna> lol
[17:35] <Pwnna> yeah
[17:35] <Pwnna> damnit i think i might need to replace this keyboard
[18:32] <snuggyfoo> Hi, i'm running xfce on a chromebook (ARM arch). I am able to do "sudo apt-get install ..." but cannot do "sudo apt" or "sudo add-apt-repository...."
[18:32] <snuggyfoo> It returns command not found.
[18:32] <snuggyfoo> Does anyone know what has gone wrong?
[18:33] <TheSheep> there is not command 'apt'
[18:33] <TheSheep> and add-apt-repository is just a convenience script
[18:33] <snuggyfoo> ok, I wasn't sure about that one, but I am about "add-apt-repository..."
[18:33] <snuggyfoo> hmmm
[18:33] <TheSheep> you can just add stuff to your sources list manually, as described on launchpad
[18:34] <TheSheep> in the ppa
[18:34] <brainwash_> add-apt-repository is provided by the package "software-properties-common"
[18:34] <snuggyfoo> is that in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[18:35] <snuggyfoo> cool!
[18:35] <snuggyfoo> I'll try that.
[18:35] <snuggyfoo> Thank you both.
[18:36] <snuggyfoo> installing that packaged worked
[18:36] <snuggyfoo> package*
[18:36] <brainwash_> :)
[19:12] <David-A> snuggyfoo: to add repository there is also System>SoftwareSources>OtherSoftware>Add
[19:15] <snuggyfoo> David-A I think I'm missing that. I don't see SoftwareSources under the System menu.
[19:15] <snuggyfoo> I think a lot of things are missing in this Crouton installed version
[19:16] <snuggyfoo> I can't get libreoffice to open. It says it's missing the shared libraries: liblpsolve55.so
[19:19] <snuggyfoo> Nevermind, installing libreoffice-calc fixed that.
[19:22] <David-A> snuggyfoo: Software Sources dialog is also available from inside Synaptic Package Manager, Settings>Repositories
[20:18] <nantou> is there any image viewer that shows images recursively? I mean I have a pictures folder and inside several subdirectories. I dont want to sort em by date or place, but just by the folder name, and I want to see em all recursively, not separated by subdirectory, as gthumb does
[20:37] <David-A> nantou: if you start gthumb with a list of filenames as its arguments, then, in image view, previous/next will show the images in the order specified, wherever dir they are.
[20:38] <David-A> nantou: e.g. gthumb *.jpg nature/*.jpg popstars/*.jpg
[20:48] <nantou> David-A, how do I do that? step by step instructions please
[20:48] <knome> 23:38  David-A: nantou: e.g. gthumb *.jpg nature/*.jpg popstars/*.jpg
[20:49] <nantou> do I then have to start it from the terminal?
[20:50] <David-A> nantou: initially to test it, yes. but you can make a script and start it with a launcher on the panel or as a custom command in thunar.
[20:54] <nantou> David-A, i dont see any difference with "gthumb *.jpg"
[20:56] <David-A> nantou: are you in image view? (menu view>image view)
[20:58] <knome> i thought David-A said to list all the subdirectories in the command he gave, but maybe it's me who is misreading.
[20:59] <nantou> i cannot locate the icons he makes reference to
[21:00] <nantou> menu view>image view
[21:01] <nantou> there is a view option in the main menu, with sub options:  refresh, toolbar, statusbar...
[21:02] <nantou> do you mean that by "menu view"?
[21:02] <David-A>  nantou: sorry View>Image  (where one image is shown and there are Previous/Next buttons)
[21:03] <nantou> 3.1.2 is my version. In the menu bar, the "view" sections does not list any "image"
[21:06] <David-A> nantou: sorry again, I'm old: 2.10.11
[21:44] <andyland> How do I change the meta key in terminal to something like alt instead of esc? I'm sitting on the latest xubuntu version on an old HP laptop with a Swedish keyboard setting.
[21:48] <David-A> andyland: for command line editing in bash, i think alt already works as an alternative to esc. is there a special program you need to adapt?
[22:06] <andyland> David-A: Nevermind I think it was working all along, just my plain stupidity. It's mainly for Emacs though in case you were wondering.
[22:12] <David-A> no problem, vi skall alla den vägen vandra
[23:49] <Guest21393> hi guys im booted onto a live usb trying to partition my harddrive but the hard drive keeps mounting ot self how can i stop that
[23:50] <Guest21393> ive booted of a usb