[00:12] <japird> #ebooks
[00:19] <R13ose> When I minimize my open windows, I see nothing but a black screen, how do I fix this?
[01:12] <MTMaster> When I tried to dual boot windows 10 and kubuntu, it now only just boots into kubuntu. no grub option showing up for which OS i want to boot into or anything. How should I fix?
[01:13] <betzen529> Is anyone having problems with plasmashell crashing at login with today's backports update?
[01:14] <R13ose> betzen529: can you explain what you are seeing when crashing?
[01:16] <betzen529> I enter login credentials at login screen.  plasmashell tries to load.  desktop comes up. bottom panel tries to load.  crash.
[01:16] <R13ose> betzen529: black screen after that?
[01:17] <betzen529> yes. krunner still pops up when called, etc.  so kwin seems to be running
[01:19] <R13ose> betzen529: I got that black screen problem after I opened a program.  I tried alt+space but after two tries I think krunner crashes for me.
[01:20] <betzen529> Ok.  I'll keep trying to track it down.  I'm just trying to see if this is a common problem that's just cropped up, or a problem with my system only.
[01:21] <R13ose> betzen529: mine might be similar.  If you want me to test anything or you find a solution let me know.
[01:21] <betzen529> will do.
[01:22] <R13ose> Thanks
[01:31] <R13ose> rbetzen: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[01:55] <R13ose> How do I get rid of ppa's that fail?
[02:40] <valorie> !ppapurge | R13ose:
[02:40] <valorie> works really well
[02:42] <R13ose> valorie: yes but isn't there one command to use in terminal that can get rid of all of them?
[02:45] <valorie> each of them, one at a time
[02:46] <R13ose> Okay thanks
[03:00] <Warrington> Has anyone found a solution to KDE's brightness control issue on intel graphics
[03:07] <arturo> hi, how can I remove this repo: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes
[03:07] <arturo> I used it to install python3.4
[03:08] <arturo> anyone here>
[03:08] <arturo> ?
[03:30] <Crell> Hello.  I have a fresh install of 16.10.  When I start Kontact (or any of its pieces), I get errors about Akonadi not being able to start.  How exactly do I fix that?  And more to the point, why would Akonadi be broken out of the box?
[03:31] <Crell> syslog is showing errors relating to apparmor, indicating DENIED access to MySQL.  Wha?
[06:40] <hernan> hola
[06:40] <hernan> :D
[07:29] <teksimian> hello, how come i cant find krdc in any kubuntu repository?  shouldnt that be available on this distro?
[09:06] <efloid> how are the new plasma backports doing?
[09:21] <acheronuk> efloid: 'doing'?
[09:57] <yofel> !info krdc | teksimian
[09:57] <yofel> it is there... maybe you were only looking in 'main' ?
[10:43] <efloid> acheronuk: just curious if any issues since release
[10:43] <acheronuk> efloid: needed a small akonadi update
[10:44] <efloid> acheronuk: i tried the backport staging a couple days ago and had issues
[10:44] <acheronuk> some people have issues with plasma starting, but that is the case with pretty much any major plasma version upgrade. most have been fine though
[10:45] <efloid> some packages wouldn't install, and yes there was an issue with plasma not starting, complaining about dbus
[10:45] <acheronuk> what packages would not install?
[10:47] <efloid> acheronuk: i'm trying to remember the name.  soemthing required a library package which was a higher version than available in the archive.  i finally found that version in debian sid but then i had to add a whole ton of other packages from sid also.  at that point just gave up and reinstalled the system (with Neon :-)
[10:47] <efloid> acheronuk: let me check.  i think i can get the package name
[10:47] <acheronuk> thanks
[10:50] <efloid> libkf5newstuff5
[10:51] <acheronuk> have you got the actual error message?
[10:52] <efloid> some package in the staging repo was dependent on version 5.28
[10:53] <efloid> maybe it was plasma-workspace
[10:53] <efloid> or plasma-desktop
[10:54] <efloid> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libkf5newstuff5&searchon=names&suite=unstable&section=all
[10:55] <acheronuk> should not in theory be a problem, as it's there at version 5.28
[10:55] <acheronuk> See: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+sourcepub/7327281/+listing-archive-extra
[10:58] <acheronuk> have not hit any broken dependencies on it so far. would really need to know the exact package name AND version that wanted it and caused the error
[11:03] <efloid> i'm looking at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports and i don't see libkf5newstuff5 in the archive for yakkety
[11:05] <efloid> here's the one in yakkety which is too low version: http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/libkf5newstuff5
[11:10] <efloid> i think it was plasma-desktop that was dependent on the higher version
[11:11] <efloid> anyhow, i wonder if the staging archive was not the same as the official backport one?
[11:15] <efloid> if you can find out which libkf5newstuff5 this depends on: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=plasma-desktop&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=yakkety
[11:17] <acheronuk> efloid: let me have a look
[11:18] <acheronuk> efloid: it is there: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=knewstuff&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=yakkety
[11:19] <efloid> ok.  maybe it wasn't added to the staging archive yet when i had tried to upgrade
[11:20] <efloid> ah, but that's not the same as libkf5newstuff5
[11:20] <efloid> unless it replaces it
[11:20] <acheronuk> yes, it is the same as libkf5newstuff5
[11:20] <acheronuk> knewstuff is the source package name
[11:21] <acheronuk> libkf5newstuff5 is the library produced from that source
[11:21] <Smurphy> Anyone here using plasma-widget-marble ???
[11:22] <acheronuk> see: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+sourcepub/7327571/+listing-archive-extra
[11:22] <efloid> acheronuk: do you know anything about the dbus issue?
[11:23] <acheronuk> efloid: not really, but I've seen reports of people on normal xenial without backports getting it, plus I think some on trusty
[11:23] <efloid> acheronuk: the message was "Could not start d-bus. Can you call qdbus?"
[11:24] <acheronuk> so I have a feeling it is maybe more a issue with some other ubuntu updates, so coincidental, or something that is maybe only exacerbated by the backports for some people
[11:26] <kim__> uhm
[12:30] <kubuntu__> hi
[12:31] <kubuntu__> I am new to kde
[12:31] <kubuntu__> I was mostly an xfce user
[12:32] <kubuntu__> How could I change the keyboard layout to Dvorak?
[12:38] <Smurphy> System settings -> Hardware/Input devices
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:54] <kubuntu__> I am getting confused in kde
[12:55] <kubuntu__> It is much more advanced and complicated than xfce
[12:55] <BluesKaj> more details kubuntu__
[12:57] <kubuntu__> Yeah
[12:57] <kubuntu__> For some behaviours in xfce, I had to write scripts to be launched after each login
[12:58] <kubuntu__> But it seems that kde has most of those behaviours builtin and should only be configured in settings
[12:58] <BluesKaj> kubuntu__, choose a specific issue and we can go from there
[12:59] <FlameReaper-PC> Looks like fcitx-frontend-qt5 gets broken again
[12:59] <kubuntu__> One of the main ones was converting CapsLock to additional Backspace
[12:59] <kubuntu__> And then make "pressing both shifts together as new CapsLock"
[13:01] <acheronuk> kubuntu__: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kde-workspace/kcontrol/keyboard/index.html
[13:01] <kubuntu__> kde5 has both these features available in Settings -> Hardware -> Keyboard -> Advanced
[13:01] <acheronuk> FlameReaper-PC: broken how?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> kubuntu__, do you have a question or are you here just to do a commentary
[13:02] <FlameReaper-PC> acheronuk: Updating to KDE 5.8.4 right now
[13:02] <FlameReaper-PC> and one of the packages listed to be removed was fcitx-frontend-qt5
[13:02] <kubuntu__> BluesKaj: It was my question minutes ago, but I found the solution
[13:04] <acheronuk> FlameReaper-PC: let me see if I can fix that
[13:04] <BluesKaj> kubuntu__, next time put it in the form of a question
[13:05] <FlameReaper-PC> acheronuk: thanks!
[13:06] <acheronuk> FlameReaper-PC: See: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=fci&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[13:07] <acheronuk> FlameReaper-PC: when that goes from pending to published, and the build status to a green tick, please try the package again
[13:07] <acheronuk> after doing a 'sudo apt update' or equivalent via a GUI etc
[13:07] <FlameReaper-PC> thanks, will test that after the machine finishes updating
[13:11] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC,  backports ?
[13:12] <kubuntu__> acheronuk: I confirm that fcitx was broken for me too
[13:12] <kubuntu__> http://pasteboard.co/aTCyXoDRv.png
[13:13] <kubuntu__> I am currently testing Kubuntu 16.04.1
[13:15] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj:  Yes
[13:16] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, thanks, good to kinow
[13:19] <kubuntu__> BluesKaj: Can I ask some more questions? How could I have a vertical panel to put notifications on it vertically?
[13:20] <kubuntu__> I want to keep the main horizontal panel below the screen as empty as possible for window handles to fill
[13:26] <BluesKaj> kubuntu__, right click on the main panel>panel options>panel settings>more settings
[13:41] <kubuntu__> But I want to add a new panel in addition to the current one
[13:43] <kubuntu__> Ok I found it
[13:57] <kubuntu__> I have another problem too
[13:58] <kubuntu__> When I add a vertical panel, the right side of windows go behind that panel
[13:58] <kubuntu__> I don't want this
[14:00] <kubuntu__> See
[14:00] <kubuntu__> https://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/BQih
[14:01] <BluesKaj> look for "always visible" in "more settings" after right clicking on that panel and choosing panel options
[14:02] <kubuntu__> I have set "always visible" option, but no success!
[14:05] <kubuntu__> Maybe I should restart?
[15:16] <FlameReaper-PC> acheronuk: all right, I can confirm fcitx works with qt5 again. again, thank you for the help
[15:16] <acheronuk> :)
[15:25] <jolomar> como puedo buscar otros canales del irc
[15:26] <soee_> !pr
[15:27] <soee_> !es | jolomar
[15:27] <jolomar> ok, excume please
[18:38] <k_j> hi
[18:39] <lauritzt[m]> k_j: Hi
[18:39] <k_j> can you tell me the latest gcc version available for the latest kubuntu?
[18:39] <lauritzt[m]> k_j: What version?
[18:39] <k_j> gcc -v
[18:40] <lauritzt[m]> k_j: What Kubuntu version? 16.04 or 16.10?
[18:40] <k_j> the latest
[18:40] <k_j> 16.10 i guess
[18:41] <lauritzt[m]> Looks like it's 6.1.1-1
[18:41] <renn0xtk9> What is the status of kubuntu ? I mean I stopped to follow the story when A guy whas kicked out of Ubuntu Council and some people meant it would slowly be the end of Kubuntu, tha they would not realisticallty be able to ship any new version. Has someone mor hints on that?
[18:43] <lauritzt[m]> k_j: Looks like it's 6.1.1-1
[18:43] <k_j> lauritzt[m], thanks
[18:43] <Dragnslcr> renn0xtk9- Kubuntu is doing fine
[18:43] <lauritzt[m]> k_j: FYI, you can search on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <renn0xtk9> so what dit it change that the guy was kicekd off and stuff?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> renn0xtk9, "the guy" as you call him works for the company that supportd kubuntu now
[18:53] <BluesKaj> supports
[18:55] <renn0xtk9> BluesKaj, don't remember his name .. But if the connection is broken will it not make it harder to make releases, and lts support and stuffs? Won't it leas the whole to be less reliable?    Basically I am in the position of making choice between keep going with Kubuntu of go with Opensuse
[18:57] <BluesKaj> renn0xtk9, http://www.blue-systems.com/
[18:59] <BluesKaj> renn0xtk9, there also a large number of volunteer developers still hard at work making kubuntu better and better... check out #kubuntu-devel
[20:04] <Crell> Hi folks.  I'm on a fresh install of 16.10. One of my apps, Choqok (the twitter client) is asking to open kdewallet and wants a password.  I know I'm giving it the right password because I JUST set the password for the first time 100 seconds ago.  Yet it's claiming it doesn't have access and I'm giving it the wrong password.  Even if I tell it to not use kdewallet, same error.
[20:04] <Crell> Any suggestions?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Crell, disable wallet manager in system settings>account destails >KDE Wallet
[20:10] <Crell> Just kill it entirely?  Why's it even there if it shouldn't be used? :-)
[20:12] <BluesKaj> some use it, some don't  need it ...depends on your type od computing, most enterprise/office situations require extra security ...being a home user I don't bothe with it.
[20:13] <BluesKaj> bother
[20:13] <Crell> I'm a work-from-home user so my content is highly mixed.  Nothing extra sensitive, though.
[20:14] <Crell> Unrelated: Didn't Akoandi used to have a GUI?  Everything I'm finding on how to set it up so that KMail starts properly says to manually create databases and edit files in hidden directories.
[20:17] <BluesKaj> PIm is another package group i don't use....sorry I'm not much there either
[20:17] <Crell> Drat.
[20:18] <Crell> I keep trying KMail every few years when I upgrade/reinstall, and it's always too much of a PITA to get me to move away from Thunderbird.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> Crell, you could ask in #kde
[20:19] <Crell> It's always difficult to tell which channel to ask in.  Half the time I get told to go to the other one, regardless of which I'm in. :-)
[20:19] <Crell> Oh good.  And KMail insists on having KWallet.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> yeah, I drank the gmail kool ade long ago
[20:19] <Crell> I hate their UI.
[20:20] <BluesKaj> t-bird works well tho
[20:21] <Crell> Yeah, it's just the only gecko thing I use.  And I could never get it to use a non-Firefox as a browser when clicking links. :-)
[20:22] <Mikey1234> i installed ubuntu 16.04 the installed kbuntu desktop    now when i enter kbe i have no applications i can search and see then installed
[20:22] <Mikey1234> how to i make them show in menu
[20:23] <Mikey1234> anyone ?
[20:24] <sintre> never done that type of install maybe do a fresh start with kubuntu out the gate?
[20:24] <Mikey1234> thats my next choice
[20:25] <sintre> sometimes faster than trouble shooting where things could be wrong
[20:26] <Mikey1234> understand that
[20:26] <BluesKaj> Mikey1234, install plasma-desktop
[20:27] <BluesKaj> update and upgrade first
[20:27] <sintre> btw has plasma 5.8 been backported to 16.04 just curious
[20:27] <sintre> or still in testing
[20:27] <Mikey1234> tried that i only get blank screen i can see mouse  .. .     then i was reading and some1 told do apt get kde desktop done that then i get to desktop but nothing is there
[20:28] <efeciftci> sintre: it seems it has been backported yes
[20:28] <sintre> i think mikey can't see anything
[20:28] <BluesKaj> it's in the ppas, sintre , best to ask which ones in #kubuntu-devel
[20:28] <Mikey1234> hahahah
[20:29] <Mikey1234> I"m new as you can tell but im not giving up
[20:29] <sintre> same thing here , don't make me tell you my epic battle with new pc last month
[20:30] <efeciftci> I'd personally like to enable backports ppa on my xenial installation, but that famous timezone bug hits me as well, so I'll wait until fixed qt packages are backported as well :(
[20:30] <sintre> i just am hoping plsma 5.8 fixes the duel monitor problem with differen size screen resolutions :)
[20:31] <sintre> well devs seem to be all eating lunch atm :(
[20:33] <Mikey1234> if i go to search and type in say firefox it shows up i can run it ...  they dont show up unless i search for them in the all applications menu
[20:33] <sintre> ok first right click on lil k at bottom left
[20:34] <sintre> see if you can switch to application launch
[20:34] <BluesKaj> sintre, I would make a uggestion, but I've chastised for posting ppas in here since dev apps aren't officially supported
[20:34] <sintre> will say alternative
[20:34] <sintre> BluesKaj permission to send tell :)
[20:34] <BluesKaj> been chastised, that is
[20:35] <sintre> me too
[20:35] <Mikey1234> when i click on the k i see favorites app  computer history leave ..   all are blank   this is a new install   under comptuer i can see my dir s
[20:36] <sintre> lright click on little k
[20:36] <sintre> right sry
[20:37] <Mikey1234> no k on the right
[20:37] <sintre> right click on the k at bottom left
[20:38] <Mikey1234> i have my menus but nothing in them
[20:38] <Mikey1234> ok i see what u mean sorry
[20:39] <Mikey1234> ok im there spp launcher settings
[20:39] <Mikey1234> show apps by name done it thanks
[20:40] <sintre> thgo to alternatives
[20:40] <sintre> alternatives
[20:41] <sintre> then click on app menu
[20:41] <Mikey1234> k
[20:41] <sintre> then ok
[20:41] <sintre> can you find stuff now?
[20:42] <Mikey1234> yes worked great thank you
[20:43] <sintre> np ,
[22:21] <R13ose> How do I make the touch pad less sensitive?
[22:23] <lauritzt[m]> R13ose: System Settings > Input Devices > Touchpad > Pointer Motion
[22:25] <R13ose> lauritzt[m]: thanks, what do I move?
[22:26] <lauritzt[m]> R13ose: Whatever you want to adjust? Put the Maximum down, for example.
[22:27] <R13ose> lauritzt[m]: I will try that and see what happens
[22:28] <user|43330> Afternoon, question here... Say, is there a folder where I can copy pics for the desktopbackground? Or do I have to add them one by one by right clicking on the desktop, and going to "configure desktop"?
[22:33] <valorie> user|43330: just put them all in one folder, called desktop pics or so
[22:34] <valorie> you can make them a slideshow if you want, and change as often as you want
[22:34] <valorie> once a minute, or an hour or a week -- whatever you want
[22:35] <user|43330> I have a folder with all the pictures that I'd like as backgrounds, but how do I load them to the background, do I have to do one at the time?
[22:36] <user|43330> or is there a specific directory?
[22:36] <valorie> you can put that dir where ever you want, in your $HOME
[22:37] <valorie> I have mine in ~/Pictures/desktop pix
[22:37] <valorie> for instance
[22:38] <user|43330> Ok I see.
[22:38] <valorie> then you right-click on the desktop and point it to the "custom folder"
[22:38] <valorie> and set up all the parameters you want
[22:40] <user|43330> ok Thanks.
[22:41] <R13ose> How do I put a background when I bootup my computer but not lose this when I update?
[22:46] <valorie> R13ose: like a background image on your desktop?
[22:46] <R13ose> valorie: the boot screen
[22:46] <valorie> oh, not sure
[22:47] <valorie> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=125293 might help
[22:57] <R13ose> valorie: I mean when boot says kubuntu and the four dots below
[23:01] <lauritzt[m]> R13ose: Make a custom plymouth theme?
[23:03] <lauritzt[m]> R13ose: What did you do before?
[23:06] <R13ose> lauritzt[m]: this is blank now just the kubuntu and four dots.  Before I had some space background.  I don't want a custom one.
[23:11] <valorie> kubuntu + four dots has been the plymouth theme for about 3 years
[23:12] <valorie> it is possible to customize it, but I've never tried, or wanted to
[23:13] <R13ose> I want to
[23:18] <lauritzt[m]> R13ose: What did you do to customise the background?
[23:24] <R13ose> lauritzt[m]: I can't remember that
[23:54] <alphazulu> the only way i seem to be able to resize windows is by using a meta key and right click
[23:55] <alphazulu> under "Window Actions and Behavior" there is the setting.  but I just want regular old resize
[23:56] <yocs0000> I would like to be able to run dolphin 4 aside dolphin 5 is that possible?
[23:56] <valorie> you can't grab the edge or corner and resize?
[23:57] <valorie> yocs0000: I doubt it
[23:57] <valorie> unless you run one of them in a VM
[23:57] <yocs0000> valorie: well, you can install them
[23:58] <yocs0000> why no desktop file?
[23:59] <valorie> I don't know what you mean?
[23:59] <valorie> !info dolphin


[10:57] <JackFrost> bluesabre: ...I know you said to email, and I may do that too, but I'm in.
[16:07] <pleia2> knome: we could move it to a datacenter on the east coast US (it's currently in California), there is a way to migrate, but it would cause ~15 hours of downtime and we'd get new IP addresses, so we'd need to coordinate with Canonical to get DNS updated too
[16:09] <pleia2> and I'm not sure what kind of solution that is, it just shifts the lag to another part of the world ;)
[16:39] <JackFrost> Noooo, put it in Sydney, then everyone feels it!  Frankfurt would likely be fastest for him?


[11:42] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[21:10] <sheytan> Hi! Has anything changed in case of html5 playing DRM media? I can't get Horizon GO running from yesterday. Till then it was working fine and i had some updates yesterday :/
[21:27] <vip> sheytan: what browser?
[21:27] <sheytan> chrome
[21:27] <vip> so ask google
[21:27] <sheytan> doesn't work on any other supported browser on kubuntu eaither :D
[21:28] <vip> hmm
[21:28] <vip> not horizon but player.pl works well under brave
[21:28] <sheytan> don't know what exaclty was updated yesterday.
[21:29] <sheytan> thing is, it was working fine for the last 3 years. Now it doesn't
[21:29] <sheytan> i even run ubuntu/kubuntu from USB to check - still doesn't work
[21:29] <vip> hm, let me check
[21:30] <sheytan> player.pl works fine, always was
[21:42] <vip> hmm, horizon does not work for me too, I get err 400 for some request (widevine related)
[21:43] <sheytan> I've got 'cant play this position right now
[21:43] <vip> under brave and chrome
[21:43] <sheytan> yesterday as said, it was fine :/
[21:43] <sheytan> I called upc support but they don't see any problems and didn't make any changes
[21:56] <vip> sheytan: kernel?
[21:56] <vip> I'll boot on prev version
[22:04] <vip> no luck
[22:06] <vip> but the internet knows there is a problem
[22:07] <vip> https://community.ziggo.nl/ziggo-go-96/ziggo-go-https-fout-400-bad-request-https-web-api-pepper-horizon-tv-oesp-v2-nl-nld-web-license-eme-51088
[22:14] <vip> sheytan: lipa
[22:31] <vip> sheytan: tried kde neon build with latest stable chrome, does not work either
[22:32] <vip> so, horizon.tv broken something, or widevine, or chrome


[00:00] <GridCube> shuvarek, if you have a dedicated /home just reinstall
[00:00] <shuvarek> btw the only other de I have right now on this system is lxde and I installed it only because xfce crashed
[00:01] <shuvarek> Maybe my /home could be a problem, I have few othere systems, (but I have not used it for a while now), and most of them use /home
[00:01] <GridCube> mmm
[00:01] <shuvarek> (I use special partition for /home)
[00:01] <GridCube> yes that can be a problem
[00:01] <holstein> shuvarek: sure.. one of them could be corrupting your xfce session
[00:02] <holstein> shuvarek: i would create a new users to test with
[00:02] <shuvarek> but I have different names for users in different systems
[00:02] <holstein> shuvarek: this is a quick test, friend.. dont over think it.. literally make a new user called "test"..
[00:03] <shuvarek> I have never try this way
[00:03] <shuvarek> maybe this is an idea?
[00:03] <holstein> shuvarek: im not suggesting you switch to this user.. im saying, if the new user can load XFCE, then, you cant fix xfce by reinstalling it
[00:03] <shuvarek> Thank you for that thing
[00:04] <shuvarek> but how about reinstalling the xfce completely (I am now using lxde) and then install it again
[00:04] <shuvarek> which packages I shold purge / delete then?
[00:04] <shuvarek> or which files delete?
[00:08] <Ethan[]> this is very weird. I have plenty of free space and can do most things normally, but doing anything with dpkg or apt reports "No space left on device". I don't have separate partitions for anything except /boot/efi. any idea how that could be happening?
[00:08] <shuvarek> Okay, thanks, I will try to login as new user and seewht happend, thankj you guys for help
[00:10] <holstein> Ethan[]: emptying the trash?
[00:11] <holstein> Ethan[]: not sure without looking at it first hand
[00:11] <Ethan[]> I have 8.6 GB free
[00:11] <holstein> Ethan[]: how are you determining that? and what are you doing that is failing? and what are the messages?
[00:13] <Ethan[]> df -h says that. dist-upgrade failed to update linux-headers with the message "No space left on device", and then when I have done anything since then says I need to run dpkg --configure -a. when I run that, it too fails with "No space left on device"
[00:13] <Ethan[]> but, should have plenty of space
[00:14] <holstein> Ethan[]: close other package managers..
[00:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ...and report errors
[00:14] <shuvarek> Hello again and thank you for the help
[00:15] <shuvarek> using different user helped to start xfce again
[00:16] <holstein> shuvarek: so, the issue is on your /user/home
[00:16] <shuvarek> have a question - which files I should delete (or mv) to let the xfce start again from the previous user?
[00:16] <holstein> shuvarek: i would just move them.. whatever i would think could cause the issue.. the .hidden ones
[00:16] <Ethan[]> holstein: nothing is open. apt-get update errors out with "No space left on device". dist-upgrade errors out with "No space left on device". there is plenty of space on the filesystem.
[00:17] <holstein> shuvarek: i might move them all.. and test.. then put back the ones i need/want, and test again
[00:17] <holstein> Ethan[]: what is determining the space?
[00:18] <shuvarek> probably almost this same amount of work as doing with another install
[00:18] <shuvarek> maybe use git for home would be good idea?
[00:19] <holstein> shuvarek: git sill sync the problems
[00:19] <holstein> shuvarek: i think git would be overkill
[00:19] <shuvarek> do you know another program which can help you went back to settings (in home) when something go wrong?
[00:20] <holstein> shuvarek: i just deal with it manually like this.. but im not interested in cloning or versioning config files
[00:21] <shuvarek> I know that git it could be security risky specially if I decide to use github or so, and I never try it before, but maybe just to point it only on the . files and .locale
[00:22] <shuvarek> (I mean .local)
[00:22] <shuvarek> and where are the files for xfce (I do not knwo yet)
[00:24] <holstein> shuvarek: i literally open a file manager, and i choose to leave things that i want in place. such as for the browser.. then, i start moving *everything* that i feel might be the issue. then i reboot and test
[00:26] <shuvarek> holstein: I think you are right, just in case probably I will try to play with git as I said before with the . files (better latter then never)
[00:27] <shuvarek> I have to also learn which files use xfce so it would be less work for the future
[00:27] <holstein> shuvarek: you dont know that its the xfce files
[00:27] <holstein> shuvarek: you just know its in your user /home...
[00:28] <shuvarek> I think xfce read it and this is why it cannot start properly
[00:29] <shuvarek> holstein: if not, what would be the problem?
[00:30] <holstein> shuvarek: anything that could hang the session loading
[00:31] <shuvarek> holstein: you see, this is not the first time, I used before xubuntu 12.04 and I had to install lxde as now
[00:32] <holstein> shuvarek: you chose to install lxde
[00:32] <shuvarek> holstein: I like xfce because it reminds me gnome which I used before (after kde3)
[00:32] <holstein> shuvarek: that didnt fix this issue.. all im saying is, if the other user loads xfce, and your user doesnt, you still cant assume that its an xfce config causing that.. it could be another config
[00:32] <shuvarek> holstein: maybe I should go back to Trinity - I have not used it yet
[00:33] <holstein> shuvarek: we can only assume from that that the issue is in the user config and not in the main system somewhere
[00:33] <shuvarek> holstein: understan - yes you are right
[00:33] <holstein> shuvarek: what do i do? i remove the .config's and test.. if i really want to pinpoint what has happened, i do them one at a time, or a few at a time
[00:33] <holstein> i dont know what trinity is
[00:34] <shuvarek> there were some errors even when I started as different user (but I could not send them as the password - for the previous user does not work)
[00:35] <shuvarek> holstein: so there are probably some problems, I still have one partition to install something new
[00:35] <shuvarek> holstein: Trinity is KDE3
[00:36] <holstein> shuvarek: kubuntu uses kde
[00:36] <shuvarek> holstein: www.trinitydesktop.org
[00:36] <holstein> !kubuntu
[00:36] <shuvarek> holstein: yes, but it uses kde4
[00:37] <holstein> shuvarek: kde uses kde4
[00:37] <holstein> shuvarek: trinity is not kde
[00:37] <holstein> shuvarek: would you like to continue in the offtopic channel?
[00:37] <shuvarek> holstein: Trinity is this same for kde as mate is for gnome
[00:38] <shuvarek> holstein: fork of the older version
[00:38] <knome> shuvarek, please continue on the offtopic channel, #xubuntu-offtopic
[00:39] <shuvarek> knome: that was only one sentence
[00:40] <shuvarek> holstein: anyway thank you for your help, will see what I can do with the system, thanks
[00:40] <holstein> shuvarek: mate is not gnome
[00:40] <knome> holstein, et tu brute? :)
[00:41] <holstein> knome: :)
[01:32] <superpotato> I just installed Xubuntu, but I don't get a boot manager.
[01:32] <superpotato> It just goes straight to Windows.
[01:32] <superpotato> What am I doing wrong?
[01:35] <holstein> !uefi | superpotato_
[01:35] <holstein> do you have a uefi system that is cuasing issues? if not, you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:36] <superpotato_> I don't think so.
[01:36] <superpotato_> I had a plain Xubuntu install before.
[01:36] <holstein> shuvarek: confirm
[01:36] <holstein> shuvarek: sorry... superpotato_ ^
[01:36] <superpotato_> How would I know?
[01:36] <holstein> superpotato_: before what?
[01:37] <holstein> superpotato_: so, you had xubuntu installed? then you installed windows?
[01:37] <superpotato_> Old version of Xubuntu.
[01:38] <superpotato_> Installed Windows, removed bootloader, attempted to install new version of Xubuntu and fix bootloader.
[01:38] <holstein> superpotato_: you can use the tool i linked to recover the boot loader
[02:29] <resizt0r> hey i need some help
[02:29] <resizt0r> i really dont think it's even xubuntu related, but i cant be sure
[02:30] <resizt0r> when i boot up the livecd, it keeps trying to connect to the LAN
[02:30] <holstein> resizt0r: remove the lan cable
[02:30] <resizt0r> says its assigning an ip for about a minute, then fails
[02:31] <resizt0r> im almost positive i've connected with a xubuntu livecd on this machine in the past
[02:33] <holstein> resizt0r: if the networking device on the machine is functional, and the network is able to allow new devices to join, and give out addresses, then it will work
[02:33] <holstein> resizt0r: i would go into the settings on the live CD and see that the device is present, and that it is getting an ip
[02:33] <resizt0r> it's present
[02:33] <resizt0r> just not getting an ip
[02:34] <resizt0r> it is a Realtek onboard ethernet device built into my motherboard
[02:34] <holstein> resizt0r: why? is the router offering addresses? is it configured to allow other devices to join?
[02:34] <resizt0r> an Asus M5A99FX
[02:34] <resizt0r> yeah devices join our network all the time
[02:34] <holstein> if you reqired static ip settings, the live environment wont know about those
[02:34] <resizt0r> i dont use static ip's
[02:35] <holstein> resizt0r: i would try forcing it.. or i woud try another live CD..
[02:35] <holstein> or, look and see why its failing to get an address
[02:35] <neorpheus> im just gonna call prot the king from now on
[02:35] <neorpheus> oop
[02:35] <resizt0r> ive tried xubuntu 12.04, kubuntu 13.04, mint 15 cinnamon, mint 14 kde
[02:36] <holstein> resizt0r: and the device works? do you have another network card to try
[02:36] <resizt0r> im on it right now
[02:36] <resizt0r> seems to be working fine
[02:37] <resizt0r> Connection: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller @ 1000.0 Mbps (Rec: 90.79MB Sent: 941.02MB)
[02:37] <neorpheus> so um does anyone here know why a bluetooth headset wouldnt show up in pulseaudio settings?
[02:37] <holstein> resizt0r: i woudnt over think it.. could be the device isnt supported by the drivers in the linux kernel
[02:37] <holstein> resizt0r: i have other network cards, and i would just throw one in and see
[02:37] <holstein> neorpheus: in pavucontrol ?
[02:38] <holstein> neorpheus: is it otherwise working? and connected?
[02:39] <neorpheus> as far as i knot it is otherwise working, i got it paired with no issue and chose "connect to headset service" thinking that the intuitive choice would be the right one but but i cant select it as an input or output device in pavucontrol
[02:39] <neorpheus> know*
[02:43] <bingo> hello. How may i change or disable the startup sound?
[02:43] <bingo> XFCE*
[02:50] <neorpheus> nevermind i figured it out, i just neaded to restart alse
[02:51] <bingo> yay :)
[02:51] <bingo> can you help me neorpheus ?
[02:51] <bingo> i dont know how to get the wifi indicator back on the task bar
[02:52] <neorpheus> sorry bingo i have never had to face that issue before
[02:52] <bingo> otay :(
[02:54] <neorpheus> i would assume just right click on the taskbar/panel and click panel > add new items > then see if there is a wifi option in there
[02:54] <bingo> looking now, ty
[02:58] <bingo> cant find it but ill try the forums, ty
[02:59] <Ethan[]_> well, I've completed dist-upgrade to 13.10, got everything up to date and looking good. rebooted, and it fails to boot with "Gave up waiting for root device. [...] ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/45863420-1152-451d-afdc-26c25ba51d57 does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
[02:59] <Ethan[]_> but then my keyboard doesn't work in the shell so I can't do anything there anyway
[03:29] <xubuntu829> Hi, after i open a terminal, what is the command to see the size of all my folders?  basically I just want to check my disk space left, been downloading alot ...thanks
[03:34] <Ethan[]_> hm, just the updated 3.11 kernel does not boot. 3.8.0 boots fine
[03:34] <Ethan[]_> any idea why an updated kernel would fail to boot with "ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/45863420-1152-451d-afdc-26c25ba51d57 does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
[03:34] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu829:  I like   du -hs --apparent-size /path/to/directory
[03:35] <xubuntu829> thanks I'll try that
[03:36] <xubuntu829> all it said was 59 G
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> Ethan[]_:  looks like grub has the wrong uuid for that kernel. you can check them in /boot/grub/grub.cfg or at the boot menu
[03:36] <Ethan[]_> it's the right uuid
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> well
[03:37] <xubuntu829> how can i find out the sizes of all my files, including a total remaining
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> maybe I'm not understanding
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> but it's the same uuid that shows up for the drive when it boots on the old kernel. and when I boot from a live cd
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> for the partition, rather
[03:38] <Ethan[]_> I can't imagine that updating the kernel would affect the uuid it seems for a partition. seems like that would break a lot of things.
[03:38] <Ethan[]_> /seems/sees/
[03:40] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu829:  try  df -h
[03:40] <well_laid_lawn> df is not as accurate imo with the used value
[04:49] <SonikkuAmerica> !hi
[07:03] <xubuntu422> hi
[07:03] <xubuntu422> is someone here?
[07:03] <xubuntu422> i need some help
[07:07] <ObrienDave> !ask
[07:21] <baizon> that was a fast leave
[07:21] <ObrienDave> must have scared them off ;P
[07:22] <baizon> ubottu: it's all your fault!
[07:23] <ObrienDave> nah, i'm a bubble burster that way ;P
[07:24] <ObrienDave> it must be my dry sense of humor :)
[08:23] <andrzejr> tried to upgrade x/ubuntu to 13.10. Installation failed/froze half way through (installation phase, on some font installation. The system does not boot (cannot mount disks)
[08:24] <andrzejr> is it possible to run updater from command line?
[08:24] <andrzejr> (without X)
[08:24] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, of course, sudo apt-get dist-release
[08:25] <andrzejr> hmm.. "invalid operation"
[08:26] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, let me send you the command cheat sheet
[08:27] <andrzejr> dist-release ->dist-upgrade?
[08:28] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, reference sheet awaits your approval
[08:28] <andrzejr> I've got it, thanks.
[08:29] <andrzejr> It seems that the dpkg lock is still set
[08:29] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, as it should be.  the previous install failed in process, so lock is still on.
[08:31] <andrzejr> cfhowlett, sorry, can you resend the reference sheet? something went wrong
[08:32] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, sent
[08:39] <Unit193> andrzejr: sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:39] <Unit193> dist-release doesn't exist.
[08:40] <cfhowlett> Unit193, ouch.  see how wrong I can be?  thanks for the correction.
[08:41] <Unit193> Sure.  (Though, it'll figure out if it's not root and escalate)
[08:41] <cfhowlett> http://ubuntuone.com/5MW5tskmZxL19y3J5ebbFz
[08:44] <Unit193> Hrm, I don't quite agree with that, but anywho.
[10:34] <longer> hi guys, I need some help
[10:34] <cfhowlett> longer, ask --- details matter
[10:35] <longer> since I started use xubuntu 13.10 I have no more notification sound in thunderbird
[10:35] <longer> everything been working fine in 12.04
[10:37] <longer> is there any package that I need to install to get it back?
[10:38] <cfhowlett> longer, tis a known bug
[10:38] <cfhowlett> !bug sound notification
[10:38] <cfhowlett> grrr.  don't know how to display the factoid
[10:38] <longer> are you guys working on to fix it?
[10:39] <cfhowlett> longer, LOL.  I'm not "you guys", I'm a user!  But my understanding is "they're working on it".
[10:40] <ObrienDave> longer, most people here are not devs, just users trying to help others
[10:40] <Unit193> Bug #1208204 see later comments.
[10:40] <longer> ok, I understand now
[10:40] <cfhowlett> !cookie|ObrienDave,
[10:40] <Myrtti> longer: there's several different methods of going around the bug, but which one is right for you is dependant on what your system is like
[10:41] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, PFFFFFT! ;)
[10:41] <longer> I will try to follow all comments, maybe one of them will work for me
[10:43] <longer> thanks for help and bye!
[10:46] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, you should have offered longer a cookie ;P
[10:47] <cfhowlett> ubottu won't let me send a beer
[10:59] <NuSuey> I can't see the internal GPU HDMI output in 12.04, http://i.imgur.com/zpgLwpt.png .. got one Monitor in the DP, the other in the DVI .. and the HDMI is in the internal GPU on the mainboard ..http://i.imgur.com/H17DBa7.png (5) I see the splash-screen (or verbose if I enabled it) on the HMDI - but the system detects only the monitors on the primary GPU
[10:59] <NuSuey> any idea?
[11:05] <ObrienDave> !beer-#ubuntu-offtopic | cfhowlett
[11:05] <cfhowlett> LOL!  There's actually a factoid for beer!
[11:06] <ObrienDave> the original has been deleted :/
[11:06] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, well, in the absence of beer, feel free to twitter a startbucks
[11:06] <cfhowlett> *starbucks*
[11:07] <ObrienDave> coffee and beer, my 2 favorites ;) you don't buy either one, you just pay rent ;P
[12:49] <peyam> Hi
[12:50] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[12:51] <cfhowlett> peyam, ^^^^^^
[12:51] <peyam> wait
[12:51] <peyam> gonna formulate my question
[12:51] <peyam> give me a second :P
[12:52] <ObrienDave> lol, take your time, cfhowlett can wait ;P
[12:52] <peyam> http://s17.postimg.org/efdu9yrnz/Untitled.png
[12:52] <peyam> this is what I get when I try to update
[12:53] <cfhowlett> peyam, you got issues.
[12:53] <peyam> yeah
[12:53] <cfhowlett> peyam, so eliminated the causes individually and in sequence.
[12:54] <peyam> I dont think any of them are any issue with.
[12:54] <peyam> I update the system yestarday
[12:54] <peyam> haven't done any changes since then
[12:54] <cfhowlett> peyam, sudo apt-get update     then sudo apt-get upgrade    then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    note the error messages
[12:54] <peyam> i dont want to upgrade
[12:54] <peyam> the dist
[12:55] <cfhowlett> peyam, this will not change the dist, it will only update to the latest packages for the dist
[12:55] <peyam> and btw Im very happy about LTs version that remove the gnome menu editor! knome
[12:55] <cfhowlett> peyam, LTS only here as well
[12:55] <peyam> I use 13.04
[12:55] <peyam> but I look forward for 14.04
[12:56] <cfhowlett> peyam, 13.04 ?   NOT LTS
[12:56] <Myrtti> dist-upgrade will not move you from 13.04 to other versions
[12:56] <peyam> ohh
[12:56] <peyam> the issue was the webcam program
[12:56] <cfhowlett> !lts
[12:57] <peyam> I uninstalled the webcam program and the error is not there any more
[12:57] <peyam> cfhowlett, I want to use newer version cause i want to see the development
[12:57] <peyam> But I think I will stick to 14.04 for a long time. the passion for new stuff will die as older as I become
[12:58] <Myrtti> then why haven't you upgraded to 13.10?
[12:58] <cfhowlett> peyam choose a path.  if you want LTS get LTS.  but if you enabled the dev. repos's   then you have to install 13.10 manually and THEN you can see the dev  of 14.04
[12:58]  * cfhowlett suspects there might some confusion here
[12:59]  * ObrienDave agrees
[12:59] <peyam> cfhowlett, 13.10 was a disappointment. xubuntu group is very good at development and hold the planing as they should.
[12:59] <peyam> 13.10 had lots of issues that's why I sticked to 13.04
[13:00] <cfhowlett> peyam, so again: NOT LTS.  check your repo settings.  if your machine is confused as you seem to be indicating that would explain much
[13:01] <peyam> Im confused. What are you talking about?
[13:01] <peyam> Myrtti, BEcouse 13.10 had major issues
[13:01] <peyam> 13.04 was more stable that its younger brother
[13:02] <cfhowlett> peyam, open a terminal.  type in lsb_release -a   and tell what it reports
[13:02] <peyam> ubuntu 13.03 64
[13:03] <peyam> No LSB modules are available.
[13:03] <peyam> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[13:03] <peyam> Description:	Ubuntu 13.04
[13:03] <peyam> Release:	13.04
[13:03] <peyam> Codename:	raring
[13:03] <cfhowlett> peyam, 13.04?  so you missed all the point updates.  suggest you do the following: sudo apt-get update
[13:03] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:04] <peyam> cfhowlett, sir the problem is solved :)
[13:04] <cfhowlett> peyam, ... ok
[13:04] <peyam> I wrote that a webcam program was the issue. I removed it and now it's totally working
[13:05] <cfhowlett> peyam, good work!
[13:05] <peyam> :P
[13:05] <ObrienDave> !yay | peyam
[13:06] <peyam> I have a question that I think about when Im on the bed
[13:07] <peyam> I red somewhere that mplayer bring decoders from windows. I might read wrong
[13:07] <peyam> but what is the different between vlc and mplayer in simple words
[13:07] <cfhowlett> peyam, you read wrong.
[13:08] <cfhowlett> peyam, all players use the installed codecs - ubuntu-restricted-extras.  no codecs, no play.  doesn't matter what the player is.
[13:08] <ObrienDave> vlc is a front-end for mplayer, IIRC
[13:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> ?!
[13:08] <peyam> really? I though smplayer was
[13:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought vlc had it's own codec libs.
[13:09] <Sysi> bot probably use libvacodec
[13:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't have mplayer installed and vlc plays everything.
[13:09] <Sysi> but vlc is not frontend for mplayer
[13:09] <cfhowlett> as I understand it ALL the players access the same bank of codecs ... but I have been know to be wrong.
[13:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[13:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yes, in terms of vlc, you are wrong. :)
[13:10] <ObrienDave> my mistake, *goes back to my coffee*
[13:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> vlc has it's own codecs. That's why the install is so big
[13:11] <peyam> I turned the light on in my room. finally
[13:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe the install is in the neighborhood of 30+ megs.
[13:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> not including pulled packages.
[13:12] <cfhowlett> Poisoned_Dragon, does VLC inlcude the restricted codecs?
[13:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> It doeesn't pull restricted codecs as a needed package.
[13:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I can play all files on vlc with no codecs installed in a given distro.
[13:13] <cfhowlett> Poisoned_Dragon, interesting
[13:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> I know. :)
[13:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Most distros I install, I kill the built-in players. Totem, Parole, etc....
[13:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then install vlc
[13:15] <peyam> me too. But I use smplayer.  If your gpu supports it, vlc can output to opengl.
[13:16] <peyam> http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/Hatryst/sillyvlc.png
[13:17] <peyam> I duno what openGl is. just hert about it.
[17:37] <syeekick> hey guys
[17:37] <syeekick> my xbuntu keeps crashing im uisn 13.10
[17:42] <syeekick> im looking in  the kern.log file and there is nothing outstanding which states why it crashed
[17:43] <bgardner> syeekick: Crashes how?
[17:45] <syeekick> well i have to restart initd has it freezes up and i can't do anything on screen. so i enter a tty4 and kill initd with tack 6 (-6). Then i do ctrl +alt + F7, this gets me back in and restarts initd. i've looked in both kernel log  and sys log
[17:45] <syeekick> where are all the logs stored? im looking in var/log atm
[17:54] <bgardner> syeekick: initd?  Do you mean lightdm?
[17:56] <bgardner> syeekick: And /var/log is correct for logs.  This sounds like an X problem, try reviewing /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if anything there is helpful.
[18:07] <syeekick> now changing drivers see if that fixes it brb for 2hours
[18:41] <amjjawad> hi everyone
[18:42] <amjjawad> HP Mini with 512MB RAM and VIA C7 M CPU
[18:42] <amjjawad> any idea what version of Ubuntu is supporting this hardware???
[18:42] <amjjawad> Lub 13.10 didn't work and I am not sure if Xub is going to help
[18:44] <slickymaster> you could try it amjjawad, but it's going to be hard. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#The_Target
[18:53] <amjjawad> my simple Q is
[18:53] <amjjawad> does Ubuntu support VIA CPU?
[18:54] <Pici> Yes, but 512MB of RAM is very little.
[18:54] <Pici> !requirements
[18:54] <knome> if it doesn't support PAE, you won't be able to install any 13.10 version on it
[18:54] <Pici> knome: oops, forgot about that.
[18:55] <amjjawad> but Ubuntu 'does' support VIA CPU????
[18:55] <amjjawad> correct????
[18:55] <amjjawad> I know about the system requirments of Xubuntu guys :D
[18:56] <amjjawad> I have reported a bug against the website of Xubuntu to corret the system requirement. My Q if Ubuntu suports VIA CPUs or not?
[18:56] <amjjawad> knome: Xub 12.04 is using NON-PAE Kernel, correct?
[19:02] <GridCube> only the alternate
[19:03] <GridCube> if im not mistaken lubuntu still has non-pae support, if it does then you can install lubutnu and then sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <bazhang> didnt the mini replace the alternate?
[19:10] <bazhang> !alternate
[19:14] <GridCube> bazhang, 12.04 still has alternate
[19:15] <bazhang> GridCube, ok, nice to know. my apologies
[19:29] <amjjawad> Xubuntu 12.04.3 i386 is booting from LiveUSB while Lubuntu 13.10 failed
[19:30] <amjjawad> so guess I answered my own Q :D
[19:30] <amjjawad> I am just concered that this machine won't be able to handle xubutnu 12.04 due to lack of RAM so might install zram-config
[19:30] <amjjawad> let's see how it goes
[19:32] <amjjawad> and knome no worries, I found the answer I am looking for ;)
[19:32] <amjjawad> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[19:32] <amjjawad> xubuntu 12.04 has a non-pae kernel .. perfect, the 4th machine will be converted to Xubuntu in one single day :)
[19:32] <amjjawad> have convrted 4 ... actually 5 in one day
[19:33] <amjjawad> xubuntu is my first choice these days ;)
[20:06] <amjjawad> [00:05] <amjjawad> ok, installation done :D [00:05] <amjjawad> HP Mini VIA C7 M CPU with 512MB RAM is up and running with Xubuntu 12.04.3 [00:05] <amjjawad> I just need to install the wireless driver so must connect it to my LAN cable
[20:32] <ObrienDave> Elfy, you there?
[20:32] <Unit193> ObrienDave: What's up, doc?
[20:32] <elfy> I'm about
[20:33] <ObrienDave> Didn't know which package to file that bug against
[20:34] <elfy> ObrienDave: yep - understood - just be aware that manual testcase is only ever going to be the package if there is something actually wrong with the testcase itself
[20:34] <ObrienDave> The xubuntu live session login bug
[20:34] <elfy> and this would be better in -devel or ubuntu-quality :)
[20:34] <elfy> ObrienDave: not sure if we're talking about the same bug or not
[20:35] <ObrienDave> Ok, I'll read the testcase again to be sure
[20:36] <elfy> ObrienDave: join -devel :)
[20:37] <elfy> or #ubuntu-quality
[21:28] <JackTIM> Hey guys. I've got an oddball issue with my sound, and googlefu isn't helping. Certain games (like minecraft) and software (like firefox) either lack sound or the sound is choppy. If I open the volume control program it clears up and I get proper sound. Any ideas?
[21:30] <ochosi> JackTIM: do you use anything out of the ordinary?
[21:31] <JackTIM> As far as? I think the audio programs are Alsa Mixer and Pulse Audio. The desktop is XFCE (xubuntu session). As far as anything else being "out of the ordinary" you'll have to be more specific.
[21:31] <JackTIM> Also, the audio will only stay clear so long as I keep the volume control window open.
[21:32] <ochosi> JackTIM: well, could be that you're not using the standard audio drivers, use an external soundcard, or the jack low latency audio server
[21:32] <ochosi> there are many options
[21:32] <ochosi> i just wanna get that out of the way first
[21:33] <ochosi> are you using stock xubuntu, i.e. a default install
[21:33] <JackTIM> Yes. I don't think I've modified anything about the sound, or baseline stuff. I'm still rather untrained in Linux.
[21:34] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[21:34] <Unit193> I killed and disabled pulse a few days ago since it was acting up.
[21:34] <ochosi> JackTIM: well the next question would be what version of xubuntu you're using
[21:34] <JackTIM> 13.10, I do know that it affects my sound from the sound card as well as the USB headset I have.
[21:36] <ochosi> hm, odd, i don't think i've ever experienced or heard of that issue before
[21:36] <ochosi> so it only happens with specific programmes?
[21:37] <JackTIM> Skype, Minecraft/Java, and Firefox.
[21:37] <JackTIM> At least, that I've noticed. I really don't use much else in terms of audio.
[21:37] <ochosi> firefox = youtube?
[21:37] <ochosi> so you're sure it's not a performance issue i guess?
[21:39] <JackTIM> I can't say I've encountered it on youtube. But there is a similar issue using the Netflix-Desktop setup that requires me to end the video, restart pulse audio (pulseaudio -k if that's important) to fix a framerate acceleration (and by association an audio acceleration).
[21:40] <JackTIM> Although switching the setup to Netflix via a silverlight wine wrapper thing (I believe is how it works) and a User Agent Display changer may have fixed that part.
[21:40] <JackTIM> But having experienced the problem makes me wonder if it isn't pulse.
[21:40] <ochosi> it's possible
[21:40] <ochosi> you can uninstall it if you want
[21:40] <ochosi> or kill it and use alsa
[21:41] <JackTIM> And with the exception of audio, and a few miscellaneous errors, I've had almost no problems running Xubuntu.
[21:41] <ochosi> that could be a workaround in case it's really pulse that messes things up
[21:41] <ochosi> that's nice to hear
[21:42] <Unit193> Have to set it to not autospawn in .config/pulse/client.conf
[21:43] <ochosi> yup, that is if you don't uninstall it ^
[21:43] <JackTIM> What does that do exactly?
[21:43] <ochosi> what does what do?
[21:43] <JackTIM> Setting it to not autospawn.
[21:46] <Unit193> Then it won't come back when you use pulseaudio -k
[21:46] <JackTIM> So it just makes Pulseaudio stay shut down?
[21:48] <ochosi> basically
[21:58] <JackTIM> Okay, killed and uninstalled Pulse. Cleared it up entirely.
[21:59] <JackTIM> Thanks alot guys. The Alsa volume control looks better than pulse also.
[21:59] <Unit193> The indicator won't work with just alsa, so volti or volumeicon might be used.
[22:00] <JackTIM> Thanks Unit, I was about to ask ^_^
[22:00] <Unit193> Wow, ESP be a workin' ;)
[22:01] <ochosi> good to hear it's working ok
[22:15] <JackTIM> Any recommendations for PDF viewers?
[22:16] <xubuntu283> hi, new linux user here, i have no sound, shecked the ubantu website and fallowed the directions there, it says the card is installed, the volume is up and the speakers have worked before this, also installed alsa, and still no luck
[22:17] <Unit193> JackTIM: Not evince?
[22:18] <JackTIM> I can't really find one that operates all that fast. They mostly operate at the same speed.
[22:18] <slickymaster> JackTIM, try okular
[22:18] <slickymaster> JackTIM, http://packages.ubuntu.com/okular
[22:19] <JackTIM> I'm used to using Foxit Reader for Windows.
[22:20] <slickymaster> I must say that I never used Foxit
[22:21] <xubuntu283> any ideas about the sound problem?
[22:23] <JackTIM> slickymaster: Foxit generally worked a lot better than the Adobe Acrobat Reader.
[22:24] <JackTIM> xubuntu283: I'll probably need a more experienced linux person to back me up on this, but according to a few help pages I read, as well as current experience, you might want to try disabling pulse audio.
[22:24] <JackTIM> Provided you haven't removed it already.
[22:25] <xubuntu283> ok, how would i be able to disable it, just a quick explane is fine
[22:33] <Tigger> Hi is anyone here i need some help
[22:36] <GridCube> !anyone | Tigger
[22:38] <Tigger> right well i have a server using the xubuntu Gui but its saying i have no network connection even though i can connect to the repositorys and use firefox
[22:39] <Tigger> but im trying to run a game server using konsole and i keep getting cannot bind socket on 21025 , Transport endpoint is not connected
[22:39] <Tigger> !anyone
[22:42] <Tigger> dont worry solution is found.... dont quite understand how a blank server can be having a port already in use
[23:35] <eegore_> I am so liking 13.10
[23:36] <eegore_> Had to fiddle around with it on a lenovo i3 top get the video to work but now that it is up, it is so faaast
[23:36] <slickymaster> good to ear it eegore_
[23:36] <eegore_> and I am running minimal memory
[23:36] <eegore_> they really did a good job of removing the fluff
[23:38] <eegore_> for my crews work stations, it is perfect
[23:38] <eegore_> if I need anything more intense, I just up the ram on that machine
[23:39] <eegore_> saved me a bundle on my budget


[09:30] <caribou> This may interest some : Wily fails to complete a crashdump with crashkernel=128 these days
[09:30] <caribou> OOM kicks in before rootfs is mounted. It needs at least 145M to work
[09:31] <caribou> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kexec-tools/+bug/1496317 follows that problem
[10:17] <apw> caribou, ugg, hrm
[10:19] <caribou> apw: initramfs went from 22M in 3.x kernels to 29M with 4.x
[10:19] <apw> caribou, what the heck
[10:19] <apw> we _so_ need to make a =dep initramfs for the machine for use with kdump
[10:20] <apw> as i am sure that is all turd we don't need in reality
[10:20] <apw> we have been talking for a while how it would be nice to have a thin initrd and a fat one, this would be a perfect use case
[10:20] <caribou> yeah, indeed
[10:21] <caribou> though I'm not too enthusiastic about a separate boot file for dumping
[10:21] <caribou> too many horror stories in the early days
[10:22] <apw> welll in a perfect world we would use the thin one for booting and dumping, and only "i am broken" boots would use fat
[10:23] <apw> caribou, if you have a list of what got added for 4.x i would be interested to know, as we have a much newer merge of initramfs-tools in wily
[10:23] <apw> and it may be related to that as much as anything
[10:23] <caribou> apw: I'll diff them & let you know
[10:49] <caribou> apw: 24M more in ./lib for 4.2
[12:13] <caribou> apw: changing MODULES=most to MODULES=dep in initramfs.conf brings the initrd from 29M to 12M & works around the issue
[12:14] <ogra_> changing to =none brings it to 2MB ;)
[12:14] <caribou> ogra_: yes, but mine still boots :)
[12:14] <ogra_> mine too :)
[12:15]  * ogra_ would simply move the modules to an img file living in /boot ... that could be loop mounted by the initrd and later move mounted to /lib/modules ... that way you wouldnt waste twice the space for modules on disk
[12:44] <apw> ogra_, though if you can mount root you don't need any of them, if you can't you need them in the initramfs
[12:45] <ogra_> apw, well, the only think i need modules for is netboot or encrypted root
[12:45] <ogra_> *thing
[12:45] <ogra_> and both can have a standalone /boot
[12:46] <apw> right but you are above averagely lucky i assume
[12:47] <ogra_> because i dont use a zfs root ?
[12:47] <ogra_> :P
[12:48] <ogra_> extX is compiled in ... vfat should be too (IMHO) .... if i do a pretty standard install with a standard fs i usually dont need any modules
[12:48] <apw> because you don't use a disk controller which is a module
[12:48] <apw> which makes you lucky
[12:49] <apw> in theory =dep shold be empty for your use case though
[12:49] <ogra_> true ... but even with a disk controller like that your /boot needs to be accessible for grub ...
[12:49] <ogra_> which means you most likely dont have it on the disk needing this controller
[15:25] <rtg> tjaalton, I'm starting to see complaints about i915 in Wily with the 4.2 kernel. bug #1496433 for example. I've pulled a lot of 4.3 i915 cruft and am wondering if it is causing issues.
[15:34] <tjaalton> rtg: -7.7 didn't have the latest pull request
[15:34] <tjaalton> so it's a genuine 4.2 bug :)
[15:35] <rtg> tjaalton, ok, -10.12 will get published today. I'll keep an eye on progress
[15:36] <tjaalton> seems to be upstream https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91511
[15:37] <rtg> tjaalton, can you watch for a resolution on that bug ?
[15:37] <tjaalton> yep
[15:38] <rtg> tjaalton, isn't there a way to attach a watch on the LP bug ?
[15:38] <tjaalton> I'll add the bugwatch and cc myself upstream
[15:38] <rtg> cool
[15:38] <tjaalton> "also affects project", then paste the buglink. done that
[17:53] <old_benz> Hi guys, can anyone point me to the source for the Nexus 7 2013 kernel
[17:53] <old_benz> "flo"?
[18:39] <rtg> old_benz, 14.04 was the first release with a "flo" kernel. See 'git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git flo'
[18:40] <old_benz> rtg: thank you very much
[20:54] <hallyn> apw: oy ve.  are you sick of overlayfs yet?  cause there's a new problem with whiteouts for unprivileged containers:
[20:54] <hallyn> whiteouts are apparently created as character devices.  This means there is no way in a userns to rsync them
[20:54] <hallyn> (which is required for cloning such a container)
[20:54] <hallyn> issue was raised at https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/655
[20:54] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ :(
[21:02] <stgraber> oh, fun
[22:37] <apw> hallyn, hrm, that _is_ the format in there.  There is prolly a way to work round it in userspace, but hrmph
[22:41] <hallyn> apw: only way i know to work around it is either with a privileged helper or with bind mounts - neither will stop rsync complaining, and bind mounts won't persist.  sigh.
[22:42] <apw> you could copy in junk to the whiteouts, and then mount the overlay, and rm them
[22:43] <apw> hallyn, or actually as you know there is a white out, you could just rsync and let them get lost, then mount the overlay and rm any whiteout in the upperlayer making a new one
[22:43] <apw> (vile i know)
[22:44] <apw> it is possible you should be allowed to make whiteout chardevs as a normal user, maybe, god don't make me think of the security consequences though
[22:45] <hallyn> problem is rsync will fail, so how does a calling program know whether the only failures were expected whiteout failures?
[22:45] <hallyn> if we can detect that, then what you propose sounds...  well, like a decent workaround
[22:45] <apw> find -<chardev0> and use that list as an exclude, rsync, mount, rm the original list perhaps
[22:45] <hallyn> or maybe what we should be doing is simply mounting the two overlays and rsync from the one mount to the other
[22:46] <apw> that would make _much_ more sense
[22:46] <apw> doh
[22:47] <hallyn> feels like ther e must be something wrong with it, but i can't see waht right now
[22:47]  * hallyn goes for a cup of coffee, biam
[23:12] <hallyn> apw: yeah, that works.


[10:05] <andras-kovacs> Odd_Bloke: Thanks for the info! I made in Azure an Ubuntu 18.04 with official cloud-init support so looking those configs closer I cloud make my own Red Hat 7.8 template work also (with waagent and cloud-init together!)
[10:08]  * andras-kovacs sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VjXqdileLrLUzHDfVYukbNAv >
[10:10] <andras-kovacs> Or should I just forget about it because all the other things work?
[13:35] <Odd_Bloke> andras-kovacs: So I suspect that we should handle the absence of that file gracefully, but need more details.  Could you file a bug and attach the `cloud-init collect-logs` tarball to it, please?
[17:01] <smoser> anyone else using launchpad-chroot ? blackboxsw it think you do
[17:01] <smoser> i'm trying to use sbuild-it -> sbuild
[17:03] <smoser> and the sources.list is getting busted by 90apt-sources
[17:05] <blackboxsw> smoser: I do via build-package script
[17:06] <smoser> right. same thing.
[17:06] <smoser> you build focal ?
[17:06] <smoser> build-apckage calls sbuild
[17:06] <blackboxsw> will give it a go
[17:07] <blackboxsw> smoser: we just pushed up a change yesterday that fixed a unittest leak that was breaking ppa builds FTBS etc.
[17:07] <blackboxsw> but should be unrelated to aptsources... checking
[17:08] <smoser> this is just launchpad-croot being proken
[17:08] <smoser> brooken
[17:08] <blackboxsw> I get you :)
[17:10]  * blackboxsw waits on sbuild
[17:11] <smoser> you use sbuild-launchpad-chroot ?
[17:11] <smoser> do others still use that
[17:12] <smoser> the problem is that in the launchpad 'livecd.ubuntu-base.rootfs.tar.gz' that gets downloaded
[17:12] <smoser> bioinc has just one line in /etc/apt/sources.list:
[17:12] <smoser>  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted universe multiverse
[17:12] <smoser> and focal has a "full /etc/apt/sources.list" (just like in a container or whatever)
[17:13] <smoser> and /etc/schroot/setup.d/90apt-sources parses that wrong
[17:13] <smoser> in the 'APT_POCKETS' part
[17:14] <blackboxsw> hrm smoser I may have fallen out of sbuild-launchpad-chroot usage. I: 01launchpad-chroot: [focal-amd64] Processing config
[17:14] <blackboxsw> I: 01launchpad-chroot: [focal-amd64] Doesn't exist.
[17:14] <blackboxsw> digging into what that means for my focal sbuild
[17:15] <smoser> rel=focal; sudo sbuild-launchpad-chroot create --architecture=amd64 --name=$rel-amd64 --series=$rel
[17:23] <Odd_Bloke> I tried to start using launchpad-chroot earlier in the cycle and it didn't work (so I just kept doing what I was doing already).
[17:25] <blackboxsw> smoser: can reproduce the problem now
[17:27] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QcFRJB53xt/
[18:12] <smoser> blackboxsw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbuild-launchpad-chroot/+bug/1872163
[18:12] <smoser> i filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbuild-launchpad-chroot/+bug/1873507
[18:13] <smoser> i dont really udnerstand. i thought launchpad itself used launchpad-sbuild-chroot
[20:03] <blackboxsw> smoser: thanks for the links and bugs since I broke my own build system by switching back to sbuild-launchpad-chroot. I've fixed it locally :)
[20:03] <blackboxsw> pastbin coming and I'll put up a patch for it
[20:03] <blackboxsw> smoser: # See focal for how to upgrade to
[20:03] <blackboxsw> # newer versions of the distribution.
[20:03] <blackboxsw> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
[20:03] <blackboxsw> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
[20:04] <blackboxsw> whoa
[20:04] <blackboxsw> sorry about that
[20:04] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vJ25FrJGVj/
[20:04] <blackboxsw> since it's multiline now sbuild-launchad-chroot needs to be able to also ignore empty lines
[20:04] <blackboxsw> which was what was killing things
[20:12] <smoser> did that work ?
[20:12] <blackboxsw> yes
[20:12] <blackboxsw> putting up an MP
[20:12] <smoser> my patch worked too
[20:12] <smoser> :)
[20:13] <smoser> yours does work generically ?
[20:20] <blackboxsw> smoser: here's what it appends https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FnyjzQD6TW/
[20:20] <blackboxsw> is that bogus to have -proposed on universe etc?
[20:21] <blackboxsw> ahh shoot I forgot the part that avoids dups
[20:21] <smoser> no thats fine.
[20:21] <smoser> and desired
[20:21] <smoser> i honestly think its probably unintended that the sources.list file is there
[20:22] <blackboxsw> I think so too. But it would be nice to also allow multiple lines if intended
[20:23] <blackboxsw> here's the update with avoiding duplicates
[20:54] <blackboxsw> actually we don't need the duplication reduction, as the APT_COMPONENTS will also reset additional apt config lines all to "main universe" anyway, so if we did have separate lines specifying different components, they are all going to get rewritten anyway to the same component sets. So duplication is inevitable without a rewrite of the whole script, which is not worth it in my mind
[20:57] <blackboxsw> put up the following PR  https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/ubuntu/+source/sbuild-launchpad-chroot/+git/sbuild-launchpad-chroot/+merge/382529


[00:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch - are you where I can access to fix the pipewire link ?
[00:01] <guiverc> you can edit...
[00:01] <Bashing-om> doing
[00:07] <Bashing-om> done - thanks for the sharp eyes :D
[00:18]  * guiverc had copied it to make summary & it didn't fit your title/make any sense...
[00:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Not a clue how I copied/pasted/goofed that one up :P
[00:25]  * guiverc going to add two summaries (in a min or so)
[00:29]  * guiverc out
[00:37]  * guiverc needs to edit (again) & another paste
[00:38]  * guiverc out
[00:40] <Bashing-om> Old 'coon hunter: Knockem out, John :P
[11:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Improving FOSS Security @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l76QttTJVk
[11:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Dark matters: the security abyss of distroless containers @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPUjM2Op-O8
[11:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Feature detection for games, letting machines figure out system requirements @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm9FoPOwchw
[20:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Openimg 817 for the Saturday wrap-up. Nothing new to add.
[21:32] <guiverc> very light issue Bashing-om , I didn't even need to scroll my mousepad window (where I write summaries) which is unusual...
[22:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Out - not much to do - Yeah on light ! Seems the efforts are on upstream's developments; Not found this week much to comment on - even the BSOD is furure and maybe.


[11:19] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stuart Langridge: The tiniest of Python templating engines @ https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2020/01/19/the-tiniest-of-python-templating-engines/
[16:41] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: This Effortlessly Cool Cyberpunk Desktop is Easy to Recreate on Kubuntu @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=161202 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:59] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: Assiste ao vivo ao próximo episódio do Podcast Ubuntu Portugal @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/assiste-ao-vivo-ao-proximo-episodio-do-podcast-ubuntu-portugal/
[22:21] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Xubuntu 20.04 Embraces the Dark Side with New Theme Variant @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=161264 (by Joey Sneddon)
[22:26] <Bashing-om> UWN: WIKI614 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue614 :D
[23:06] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stuart Langridge: Number word sequences @ https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2020/01/19/number-word-sequences/
[23:37] <guiverc> Bashing-om, blogo:  linux in 2020:  s/SCI/SCSI/
[23:40] <guiverc> Bashing-om, blogo:  Intel Gen7 s/ofGen9/of Gen9/
[23:41] <guiverc> we could also change Ubuntu 19.04 Updates "End of Life: January 2020" to say "23 January 2020" ???
[23:41] <guiverc> otherwise looks good
[23:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^^ fixing .
[23:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UWN: edits completed :D
[23:55] <guiverc> looks good Bashing-om :)
[23:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great ! set then to go :P


[06:07] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, (please note, I still try to learn, this is not a complain, because I find difficult to know the line from ffe or not), "Provides: bzr, bzr-stats, bzr-email, bzr-upload, bzr-git, bzr-fastimport"
[06:08] <LocutusOfBorg> this is in the diff, basically breezy is trying to replace bzr and everything else, that now are just transitional and dummy packages
[06:09] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please than ack the Ffe so we can finish that? I don't know if the provides wins over a real package, but we should probably sync them all?
[12:48] <mapreri> Can I get a SRU member to look at LP: #1841619 ?  /cc infinity
[12:48]  * mapreri is sad that the SRU procedure now requires manual pinging to specific people…
[14:55] <rbasak> mapreri: people do process the queue on a rota, but many of us were sprinting last week so were unavailable
[14:55] <mapreri> rota → rotation?
[14:55] <rbasak> Right
[14:56] <mapreri> I see…  but I uploaded exactly two weeks ago, so I assumed I missed all rotations of the week before as well :(
[14:57] <rbasak> I try to process in FIFO order but don't always get to everything.
[14:57] <mapreri> ack
[20:25] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: the Provides: don't force the other real packages out of the archive; unless they're actually incompatible with the original implementations (in that case, the Provides: are wrong in both Debian and Ubuntu), I don't think this is a problem on its own
[20:25] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: can you link me to the FFe in question?
[20:37] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/1844827
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[03:49] <jamesw> hello
[03:50] <jamesw> is anyone else a canonical employee?
[14:15] <h00k> Oi
[14:15] <h00k> coffee is indeed good
[14:16] <lostson> coffee ius my 42
[14:16] <lostson> is*
[14:18] <h00k> I need some
[17:31] <lostson>  pidgin should be the default IM client in Ubuntu empathy just is not good
[17:54] <mikeputnam> irssi!
[17:54] <mikeputnam> ;)
[18:22] <Cheesehead> We get that a lot in Brainstorm: "Foo stinks, Bar should be the default"
[18:22] <Cheesehead> I pride myself on closing just about all of them.
[18:23] <Cheesehead> I am liking irssi better, though I miss empathy's built-in taskbar notification
[18:56] <lostson> that is the thing empathy's notifications are not working nor is it working with the launcher
[18:57] <h00k> empathy is kinda broken yet on Oneiric, I've noticed
[19:06] <lostson> is it well that is too bad cuz i know its broken on 11.04
[20:46] <h00k> Well, like the notifications, when clicked, don't always bring up the chat window
[20:46] <h00k> sometimes the chat window opens blank
[21:21] <h00k> douglasawh-desk: HI!
[21:21] <h00k> How's it going wherever you are
[21:35] <douglasawh-desk> h00k: busily. thanks for asking.
[21:36] <douglasawh-desk> h00k: storm and law school updates can be found at http://280.status.net/douglasawh/
[21:36] <douglasawh-desk> short story on the storm is that basically everywhere that had problems was south and/or west of here
[21:37] <douglasawh-desk> I gotta an assignment due tomorrow I need to work on atm
[21:37] <douglasawh-desk> I was going to say I gotta run...you can see how that turned out
[21:42] <h00k> douglasawh-desk: of course you'd throw me to your status.net :D I shall check
[23:14] <h00k> http://stabyourself.net/mari0/


[01:52] <mhall119> jose was the one who got mhall'ed at FOSSETCON
[01:53] <mhall119> I just showed off the phone
[01:53] <jose> lol
[01:53]  * mhall119 doesn't care about this cloud stuff, it's just a fad, it'll never catch on
[01:53] <jose> I need to make sure we have a monitor, keyboard and mouse this time
[01:53] <mhall119> and USB stick with a working version of MAAS
[01:55] <jose> right
[01:56] <jose> well, I'll have kwmonroe take care of all of that
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[09:37] <czajkowski> popey: is there a how to page for hangouts on air for ubuntu when you set up so they don't appear under your name
[09:37] <czajkowski> we're trying to set up on air for later on
[09:37] <czajkowski> but keeps ending up under our names and not the company ac
[09:37] <popey> You can't do a HOA under a company account, it has to be a person, so we created a new account.
[09:37] <popey> and we share the password
[09:38] <popey> which is not ideal.
[09:38] <czajkowski> ahhh
[09:39] <popey> We also all of us have multiple G+ accounts
[09:39] <popey> So we join the hangout from our company G+ accounts usually
[09:39] <popey> which is annoying because people then follow an account you don't post to
[09:39] <czajkowski> ahhh
[09:39] <czajkowski> so it's not us going insane
[09:40] <popey> nope
[11:11]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[12:36] <dholbach> dpm, we need to spam the world about the yoda-scifi thing
[12:36] <dholbach> dpm, I'll mail the community-announce list
[12:50] <jcastro> jose: would an email do or do you need like a physical letter?
[13:22]  * popey goes for a late lunch, back later :)
[13:29]  * popey returns, postponing lunch
[13:31] <jcastro> jose: ping!
[14:07] <jose> jcastro: just started my day, scanned letter over email works
[14:07] <jcastro> ugh man, I don't have a scanner
[14:08] <jcastro> jose: let me ask stef in london to see if we whip something up
[14:08] <jose> jcastro: lol, thanks
[14:08] <jose> thing is, I need to present those documents today
[14:08] <jose> and I got notice yesterday
[14:08] <jcastro> ack
[14:08] <jcastro> I'll have something for you in like less than an hour
[14:09] <jcastro> it might be from "Marco Ceppi, owner, Canonical Ltd."
[14:09] <jcastro> but that's ok. :p
[14:09] <jcastro> just kidding I'll do it right.
[14:09] <czajkowski> lol
[14:09] <czajkowski> tick tock -
[14:09] <jose> lol, sure
[14:20] <jcastro> jose: antonio can you get a scanned letter by 17:30UTC, is that fine?
[14:20] <jose> jcastro: should be good, yeah!
[15:55] <jono> dpm, good to go in 5?
[15:55] <dholbach> jono, hippie!
[15:55] <dpm> jono, yep
[15:55] <jono> dholbach, hey1
[15:55] <jono> hows it going, dholbach ?
[15:55] <jono> dpm, cool - just call me when you are ready
[15:56] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[15:58] <jono> dholbach, all well here :-)
[15:58] <jono> just living the dream :-)
[15:58] <dholbach> :-)
[15:58] <dholbach> let's chat a bit more one of the next days - I need to rush out in a bit
[15:59] <jono> dholbach, for sure - maybe the week after next when I am back from Seattle
[15:59] <dholbach> cool :)
[16:00] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow!
[17:44] <jose> jcastro: ping
[17:44] <jcastro> YO
[17:45] <jcastro> que tal
[17:46] <jose> wth, you speak spanish now?!
[17:46] <jcastro> hah no
[17:46] <jose> since when?!
[17:47] <jose> sooo, is antonio ready?
[17:47] <jcastro> oh, he hasn't sent it to you yet?
[17:47] <jcastro> i'll go prod
[17:49] <jose> cool thanks
[18:20] <jose> jcastro: nope?
[18:20] <jcastro> ok, on it
[18:20] <jcastro> jose: man, why does it have to be paper
[18:21] <jcastro> tell your school it's 2015
[18:21] <jose> jcastro: because I'm in Peru!
[18:21] <jose> and they think I can fake an email just to get the professor I want
[18:21] <jcastro> and I suppose teaching them GPG is probably even more annoying, heh
[18:22] <jose> yeah, specially since I study communications science and nothing IT related
[22:00] <jcastro> ugh
[22:00] <jcastro> nothing kills my will to participate more than "Waiting for wiki.ubuntu.com"


 And you? I haven't been on the channel for a while, but I guess things are as busy as always ;)
[08:58] <seb128> dpm, I'm good thanks ... and yeah, always crazy busy ;-)
[08:58] <dpm> good to hear some things don't change :)
[08:59] <seb128> indeed ;-)
[09:00] <Laney> morning
[09:02] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hello Laney
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney, pitti, wie gets?
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! chasing gnome jhbuild..
[09:04] <Laney> ein bisschen müde, aber gut, danke!
[09:04] <Laney> es ist sonnig! ;-)
[09:04] <seb128> Laney, you need coffee ;-)
[09:05] <seb128> or tea, being british
[09:05] <Laney> pfft, yeah - tea ;-)
[09:05] <Laney> I have some here of course
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, you know a bit of german, or google translator for the win? :p
[09:05] <Laney> I did german in school
[09:05] <Laney> but it's very very rusty
[09:06] <Laney> for some reason I remember the word "abholzung"
[09:06] <pitti> hah
[09:18] <Laney> are .typelib files in multiarch paths supposed to work?
[09:19] <didrocks> Laney: no, see bug #1124941
[09:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124941 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "[raring] Python appindicators broken by the latest libappindicator update (12.10.1daily13.02.13-0ubuntu1) with "ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for AppIndicator3"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124941
[09:19] <Laney> yeah, that ;-)
[09:19] <didrocks> Laney: do you have time to fix + process the dummy test I described? :)
[09:19] <didrocks> so that we don't regress ever ever again on that? :p
[09:20] <seb128> Laney, I might be overlooking something but it seems like it would be an easy g-i patch to look to both the multiarch dir and the normal one
[09:21] <seb128> even if it's not proper multiarch in the sense of making other arch usable
[09:22] <seb128> but that would stop those mistakes because packages got multiarched and libdir/libexecdir changes and the typelib end up in there
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, ^ was that discussed before?
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: no, not that I can remember
[09:22] <didrocks> seb128: I would still have my test! :-)
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, sure, tests are good ;-) it's just an annoyance, it complexify the packaging in quite some places since we have to special case the gir- and move stuff back to /usr/lib manually
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: agreed :)
[09:24] <Laney> autopkgtests are better for such package local things?
[09:25] <didrocks> Laney: right, but autopkgtests are not blocking yet the migration from proposed to the main archive AFAIK
[09:25] <didrocks> Laney: so, I would first put that as an autopilot test
[09:26] <didrocks> Laney: I think, as part of the long term goal is to:
[09:26] <Laney> oh you don't check it in the daily landing stuff
[09:26] <didrocks> - have autopilot tests modular (not all in the unity package)
[09:26] <didrocks> - have autopkgtests run as part of the daily landing stuff, and put stuff we can put there (unfortunately, very few for now) into that
[09:27] <didrocks> Laney: jibel told me it's difficult to run them in that step right now, without the -proposed infra ^
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, judging by the number of emails in my launchpad bugs inbox, the retracers have been working through the backlog
[09:38] <Laney> yeah I saw some, good news
[09:38] <didrocks> Laney: hum, I didn't see an answer, do you think you have the time today to look at this libappindicator, or should we let that to cyphermox?
[09:38] <Laney> oh whoops, I was fixing it ;-)
[09:38] <Laney> I don't know about doing autopilot tests but I did the packaging fix
[09:39] <didrocks> Laney: for autopilot, lp:unity
[09:39] <didrocks> Laney: tests/autopilot/
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: I would add just a file like tests/autopilot/unity/tests/test_indicators.py
[09:40] <didrocks> doing this test
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: sil2100 can make a review if needed
[09:41] <Laney> ok i'll give it a go
[09:41] <Laney> thanks
[09:41] <didrocks> thanks to you Laney :)
[10:10] <Laney> I'm getting the feeling I shouldn't have run these tests on my machine :P
[10:11] <didrocks> Laney: well, you can in a guest session, but yeah, otherwise, you bye bye your current session :p
[10:11]  * Laney is watching it go crazy
[10:32] <didrocks> Laney: recovering from your session? :)
[10:39] <Laney> didrocks: heh, managed to get that back
[10:39] <Laney> figuring out how to run a single test now
[10:39] <didrocks> Laney: ahah, would be better, isn't it? :)
[10:41] <Laney> aha
[10:43] <Laney> didrocks: so something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/1649392/ ?
[10:44] <didrocks> Laney: sounds perfect to me :)
[10:45] <didrocks> Laney: bonus point if you do the same for indicate, Dbusmenu-0.4, DbusmenuGtk*
[10:45] <didrocks> Laney: for those we install by default, at least :)
[10:52] <Laney> good idea - i'll generalise it a little bit and submit that then
[13:20] <Laney> Mirv: Hm, you here? I gots two problems with qt; wondering if you're aware — http://paste.ubuntu.com/1650651/
[13:21] <ricotz> Laney, hi :)
[13:21] <Laney> o hai
[13:22] <ricotz> Laney, just a minor question, is the raring package of webkit 1.10.2 likely to build on precise without changes?
[13:24] <Mirv> Laney: the first one is since qt5-default only suggests installing qt5-qmake and other tools handled by qtchooser. the latter is an upstream user unfriendliness bug, it should display help similar to man qtchooser
[13:24] <Laney> ricotz: I've built 1.10.0 there before so a good chance
[13:24] <Mirv> the latter is fixed in upstream git by having a help text, I'm not sure if the error text in the former case is now more user friendly
[13:24] <ricotz> Laney, ok, thak
[13:24] <ricotz> Laney, thanks
[13:25] <Laney> Mirv: so what do I have to build-depend on for qt5-qmake? I thought qt5-default was supposed to be enough
[13:25] <Mirv> Laney: qtbase5-dev brings with it a good collection of packages
[13:26] <Mirv> qt5-default is only the default configuration for qtchooser, but does not by itself mandate the installation of development tools in case the user only wants to use eg. qmlscene which is standalone
[13:30] <Laney> alright, thanks
[13:45] <ricotz> Laney, here are just some things i noticed http://paste.debian.net/plain/234144
[13:46] <Laney> probably won't upload for that, but feel free to do an MP against the packaging branch ;-)
[13:47] <ricotz> Laney, no upload needed, just keep it in mind for the next one
[13:49] <Laney> I usually look at the diff of configure.ac so don't notice such historical catching-ups - so thanks for that
[13:50] <ricotz> Laney, yeah, unfortunately they matter much in regards of precise
[13:51] <ricotz> (especially libsoup2.4 :\ which requires glib 2.34)
[13:52] <Laney> ah yes, I remember now
[13:52] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/webkit-backports
[13:52] <ricotz> haha, i knew it
[13:52] <Laney> so I /did/ know about it
[13:54] <ricotz> doesnt explain the build failure yet ;)
[13:54] <Laney> in that PPA?
[13:54] <ricotz> so there is still something missing in the ppa
[13:54] <ricotz> yes
[13:54] <Laney> no, that was deliberate
[13:54] <Laney> it was testing for a make-dfsg SRU
[13:54] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/webkit-backports-2/+packages
[13:54] <Laney> it's the previous PPA + -proposed (at the time)
[13:55] <Laney> if I give that build back now it'll work
[13:56] <ricotz> alright, i see
[13:57] <Laney> so just make your PPA depend on webkit-backports if you like :P
[13:57] <Laney> or copy those pkgs
[13:57]  * Laney goes to lunchville
[13:57] <Laney> aka the city centre to buy a valentines card
[14:00] <ricotz> have fun :)
[14:40] <didrocks> Laney: I didn't check, but you only added to the import installed by default, right? (as we only roll for now the default image)
[14:41] <didrocks> Laney: if not, you'll need a followup to just skip the involved tests and  put a comment. I'll try to think how we can run those tests in the future
[15:11] <Laney> didrocks: I didn't check that explicitly
[15:12] <didrocks> Laney: do you mind please? :)
[15:12]  * didrocks is still reviewing qtcreator
[15:12] <Laney> ok
[15:13]  * Laney kicked some qt5 builds earlier
[15:13] <Laney> looks like powerpc is a bit sad
[15:13] <didrocks> right, Mirv is aware/pinged about it :)
[15:13] <Laney> i'm sure
[15:14] <Laney> just wanted to get qt quick, quick!
[15:14] <Laney> (and now it is done)
[15:27] <Laney> didrocks: yeah they're all fine
[15:27] <didrocks> Laney: excellent, thanks :)
[15:28] <Laney> ah maybe not
[15:28] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.raring/desktop
[15:28] <Laney> was looking at /all
[15:28] <Laney> better remove indicate
[15:44] <dobey> xnox: hey. did you get a chance to upload the new pyflakes btw?
[15:45] <xnox> dobey: yes, let me check if it's ready to sync.
[15:46] <xnox> dobey: syncing
[15:47] <dobey> xnox: thanks again!
[15:52] <popey> seb128: i have a friend on 12.10 reporting that when he switches to another user (to do online purchasing / banking I think), when he logs out, there are still some processes left running.. I am not able to reproduce on raring or a 12.10 VM.. have you seen reports of this or what might cause it? GSD perhaps? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1651942/ <- what's left behind.
[16:14] <Laney> didrocks: can you make the extra revision get merged?
[16:14] <didrocks> Laney: I don't see a MP, it's better to resubmit a MP I guess ;)
[16:14] <Laney> if I set it back to needs review?
[16:14] <Laney> oh ok
[16:15] <didrocks> Laney: I'm not sure, my old system supported that, not sure the new one does and I don't know the code :)
[16:15] <Laney> ;-)
[16:22] <didrocks> thanks Laney!
[16:35] <seb128> popey, in the current world nothing close everything running in the session, most things just go away because xorg and the dbus session bus go away
[16:35] <seb128> popey, i
[16:35] <seb128> popey, it's not a new issue, gvfs, e-d-s etc have had issues with that for years
[17:33] <didrocks> hey xnox
[17:34] <didrocks> xnox: do you mind explaining to me this diff on your oneconf MP:
[17:34] <didrocks> 24-PYTHON3=$(shell py3versions -vr)
[17:34] <didrocks> 25+PYTHON3=3 $(shell py3versions -vr)
[17:34] <didrocks> you do add 2 targets for PYTHON3?
[17:43] <mitya57_> didrocks: probably because scripts need to have python3 shebangs (not python3.x)?
[17:44] <mitya57_> (pybuild does that magic automatically)
[17:44] <didrocks> mitya57_: but /usr/bin/env python3.3 work, though, isn't it?
[17:46] <mitya57_> the goal is to not rebuild tons of python packages when migrating to new interpreter version
[17:47] <didrocks> mitya57_: ok, got it then ;)
[17:52] <seb128> mterry, are you familiar with the software-properties testsuit?
[18:03] <mterry> seb128, no
[18:03] <seb128> mterry, good answer
[18:03] <seb128> ;-)
[18:04] <seb128> mterry, in any case I figured it out so it's all good, thanks ;-)
[18:04]  * mpt crashes update-manager with gay abandon
[18:04] <mpt> Oh, hi mterry :-)
[18:05] <mterry> seb128, :)
[18:05] <mterry> mpt, hi!  I see you posted some sorting changes to the SoftwareUpdates spec?
[18:05] <mpt> mterry, a design for adding sorting as a feature. No biggie.
[18:06] <mpt> An ideal task for dylanmccall, I think :-)
[18:06] <seb128> mterry, btw I need to talk to you about update-manager next week
[18:06] <seb128> mterry, the ui is buggy
[18:06] <mterry> seb128, :(
[18:06] <seb128> mterry, I tend to right click, deselect all, and pick an update when I want to do a specific binary update
[18:07] <seb128> mterry, but most of the entries in the main list are non clickable
[18:07] <mterry> seb128, Hmm.  OK, I can look at that
[18:07] <seb128> it's also weird to have lot of stuff listed in the main list and then another bunch under the ubuntu logo at the bottom
[18:07] <seb128> what's the difference between both?
[18:08] <mterry> seb128, Ubuntu core is everything that the seeds depend on (i.e. what's on the CD)
[18:08] <mterry> seb128, except for apps (things with .desktop files) which show at the top
[18:09] <mpt> seb128, the detailed definition is at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#expanded> -- "The base package is..."
[18:09] <mterry> er, what's on the DVD I guess :)
[18:09] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[18:10] <mpt> Any recursive dependency of ubuntu-desktop (or equivalent), ubuntu-standard, or ubuntu-minimal
[18:10] <mpt> dependency/recommendation
[18:10] <seb128> mpt, mterry: http://ubuntuone.com/1VNdHCnGPqxj3AfhcXx1qy
[18:11] <seb128> mterry, mpt: it's weird to have "Tools for debuging application menus" in the main list
[18:11] <mterry> seb128, you installed it manually (directly or indirectly) right?
[18:11] <seb128> I guess so
[18:11] <mterry> seb128, the thought is that you care about it then
[18:11] <seb128> it's a debug tool
[18:12] <seb128> I can about it less than the core OS
[18:12] <mterry> seb128, :)
[18:12] <seb128> and the core OS seems like second class citizen in the list compared to it
[18:12] <mterry> seb128, I'm not wedded to the current layout.  But this is mpt territory
[18:13] <seb128> mterry, mpt: thanks, at least I understand the logic, still seems weird that this debug package I don't care much about (it just happens to be installed) is listed before the default Ubuntu components
[18:13] <seb128> and on a more "main" level
[18:13] <seb128> I guess non-dev users have less of those dev packages and just core OS and apps
[18:16] <mpt> We could have a branch for development packages, I guess.
[18:16] <mpt> So that they're grouped together in the same way as base packages.
[18:24] <seb128> mpt, yeah, that could be nice
[18:27]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:32] <mpt> seb128, reported bug 1125443
[18:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1125443 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Development packages are ordered above "Ubuntu base" packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125443
[18:33] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[18:54] <seb128> Laney, when you sponsor a SRU please set the bugs as fix commited and subscribe ubuntu-sru, thanks ;-)
[18:58] <seb128> Sweetshark, not sure how you keep up with bug emails for bugs assigned to you but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/628105 has debdiff that might be worth including in the next libreoffice SRUs you do
[18:58] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 628105 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[Upstream] Text not black in LibreOffice" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:59] <seb128> tjaalton, is there any chance you SRU the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxrandr/+bug/985202 as well (since you did the raring upload ;-)
[18:59] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 985202 in libxrandr (Ubuntu Precise) "libx11 causes kwin to crash on login (over NX protocol)" [High,Triaged]
[19:05] <tjaalton> seb128: yeah, forgot the sru part
[19:14] <Sweetshark> seb128: patch is in upstream 4.0 so will be in raring anyway. I didnt consider it for a SRU as it doesnt fix a security issue or crasher or something similar severe. If I would, there would be literally thousands of patches to consider.
[19:17] <Sweetshark> seb128: I dont magically make something more important because it has a patch on lp instead of on freedesktop (would be a moral hazard anyway). And if that should land in quantal, it should done so by a backporting the patch to upstream stable 3.6, not by a vendor patch as that give us a sane review process (with knowledgable patch reviewers) for free and -- by MRE -- spares us the redtape of an SRU.
[19:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/628105/comments/39 as for precise, remember the >20 backported patches I SRUed for 3.5.7 which all fixed bad crashers or prevented release regressions? If we open up for this class of bugs, we would end up with 200 patches every 2 month easily. 3.5.7 was the last 3.5 release. This release https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.6.5/RC1 of the later 3.6 series was done
[19:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 628105 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[Upstream] Text not black in LibreOffice" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:43] <mdeslaur> seb128: what component actually draws the indicator menu at the top of the screen?
[19:43] <mdeslaur> indicator-appmenu?
[19:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: ... and that assumes that finding out if a bug is 3.6-only or also applies to 3.5 is no work and that backporting from 3.6 to 3.5 is trivial, which it just isnt when people are doing stuff like ripping out obsolete, but widely used stringclasses of a 5 million LOC codebase.
[19:49] <Sweetshark> seb128: the first bug on that list https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=758138 is comparable to lp#628105 in scope and severity. Why should I take care of the lp# bug but not of the fdo# one? (Unless there is a UA ticket for the lp# one.)
[19:49] <ubot2> bugzilla.novell.com bug 758138 in Impress "Slide Show Settings - Presentation Display: All Displays only uses primary" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[19:59] <mdeslaur> seb128: nm, found it
[19:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, hey
[19:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, I can reply since you figured it you and I've nothing to do ;-)
[19:59] <mdeslaur> hehhe
[19:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, (was at dinner, seems like I was away at the right time)
[20:00] <mdeslaur> yeah yeah, excuses excuses
[20:00] <seb128> hehe
[20:00] <seb128> mdeslaur, the rendering is done by unity-panel-service, e.g unity afaik, does that match what you found?
[20:01] <mdeslaur> i believe so, yes
[20:01] <mdeslaur> thanks
[20:01] <seb128> yw!
[20:01] <seb128> mdeslaur, what's your issue?
[20:02] <mdeslaur> seb128: I was looking for the setting to disable menu fade, to add to the stuff I disable in VMs
[20:03] <seb128> seems like a compiz animation's plugin thing
[20:04] <seb128> unity does the functional hide/show
[20:04] <mdeslaur> yes
[20:04] <seb128> but the animations is compiz'
[20:38] <dobey> xnox: if you're still around, any idea why the new pyflakes didn't go to release yet? it's still sat in proposed it seems
[20:50] <seb128> dobey, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[20:51] <seb128>     * i386: lintian4python
[20:51] <seb128> dobey, lintian4python depends on pyflakes (<< 0.5.0+)
[20:52] <dobey> seb128: huh. but the previous version of pyflakes was 0.5.0 :)
[20:52] <seb128> dobey, right, the depends seems to ensure it's 0.5, it has a > 0.5, <= 0.5+
[20:53] <seb128> dobey, so that needs to be updated to the current version
[20:53] <dobey> huh
[20:54] <dobey> well that's annoying
[21:01] <seb128> dobey, well, not sure why it's there but it's probably easy enough to bump the versions
[21:01] <dobey> well, that seems to be a debian native package
[21:02] <dobey> but aside from that, yeah, easy enough. i just don't have the privs and no idea how to propose changes to such a package :)
[21:07] <seb128> dobey, just put a debdiff only
[22:01]  * xnox will ask lintian4py developer.
[22:02] <xnox> I was sure enough to check that it doesn't directly import pyflakes, but I guess it uses it in an another weird way.
[22:14] <mterry> Sweetshark, in these libreoffice MIRs, you mention an email exchange with Rene.  Is that a public one?
[23:20] <dobey> whee, lp:ubuntu/lintian4python is out of date :-/
[23:21] <dobey> xnox: thanks (just saw the scrollback). no idea why it depends on a specific version that way. it's quite odd


[20:55] <SamB> hmm, I guess I can't push to launchpad's Debian branches, not least of which because how the heck is launchpad supposed to know if I'm allowed to mess with a given Debian package ...
[21:07] <jelmer> SamB: nobody but the importer can push to the "official" branches
[21:07] <jelmer> SamB: but you can create other branches in the same namespace
[21:09] <SamB> any advantage to that rathe than just using the normal namespace either on launchpad or alioth?
[21:12] <jelmer> SamB: I don't think alioth would appreciate mass pushing of bzr mirror branches :)
[21:13] <SamB> I mean, I'm looking to get pkg-create-dbgsym uploaded to Debian for people to play with
[21:13] <jelmer> SamB: also, predictability and integration with the rest of launchpad
[21:13] <SamB> I figure branching from the ubuntu branch is the way to go there
[21:14] <SamB> but I'm not sure where I should host my branch
[21:14] <SamB> or what name it should have
[21:14] <jelmer> SamB: personally, I'd host it on alioth if it was a debian branch
[21:15] <SamB> hmm, can bzr automatically rewrite URLs for pushing to?
[21:16] <SamB> like, I have this for git:
[21:16] <SamB> [url "git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/"]
[21:16] <SamB> pushInsteadOf = "git://anonscm.debian.org/"
[21:16] <SamB> pushInsteadOf = "git://git.debian.org/"
[21:22] <SamB> hmm, looks like no
[21:23] <jelmer> not in that way
[21:23] <jelmer> though it supports different push and pull urlds
[21:24]  * SamB grumps about how they only did a half-assed implementation for lp: URLs
[21:24] <SamB> (plus the authentication config stuff, which lets you skip a lot of URL parts but doesn't handle the scheme or anything)
[21:25] <SamB> (and anyway I do that part in my SSH config)
[21:27] <jelmer> SamB: how do you mean?
[21:28] <SamB> jelmer: I set the default username for alioth's hostnames in my SSH config file
[21:28] <SamB> so it seems like there is nothing in "bzr help authentication" for me to do
[21:30] <jelmer> SamB: I don't understand how this is related to lp:?
[21:31] <jelmer> I can just push to bzr+ssh://bzr.alioth.debian.org/bzr/pkg-bazaar/bzr/unstable for example
[21:31] <jelmer> no further config necessary
[21:32] <SamB> oh, the lp: thing? I'm just figuring they'd be more likely to have bothered to add a general feature like git has if they hadn't already got the "lp:" scheme that allows both authenticated and unauthenticated users to work with the same URLs
[21:33] <jelmer> SamB: there are some other things you can do, like have the remote URL be derived from your local URL - and that can be different for push and pull URLs
[21:33] <jelmer> I don't know from the top of my head what the syntax is
[21:33] <jelmer> and a rewrite thing like git has is probably more powerful in some situations
[21:34] <jelmer> but lp: URLs are a relatively late addition, and there are/were lots of people working with non-lp URLs (including devs)
[23:57] <mgrandi> can anyone enlighten me on the correct behavior of MutableTree.smart_add() ? It says its supposed to take a relative path but its defenitly not working correctly