[06:12] <TheLance> i'm screwed
[06:12] <zeifer> TheLance, My machine used to do that. But it was just taking its dear sweet time to respond. Also, a splash screen doesn't allow you to see what's going on underneath.
[06:12] <regeya> dimeo: yeah...but y'ought to tear apart a first-gen imac.  or a first-gen emac, more fun.
[06:12] <regeya> nothing like a computer you have to discharge the crt on just to pull the hard drive
[06:12] <TheLance> so i should just wait?
[06:12] <TheLance> and not do anything?
[06:13] <TheLance> or type anything?
[06:13] <macd> TheLance, you should wait upto about 30 minutes
[06:13] <xcess> Hi, Can anyone tell me how view the port of a running process in linux?
[06:13] <TheLance> damn
[06:13] <TheLance> thats a long as time
[06:13] <n2diy> macd: it has enough weight to keep me a happy camper with Dapper.
[06:13] <TheLance> is there a way i can fix it?
[06:13] <macd> xcess, "netstat -an"
[06:13] <dimeo> I had planned to turn a classic into a fishtank.. boy that was open pc surgery
[06:13] <zeifer> TheLance, How long have you been running your installation?
[06:13] <macd> wait what PID specifically xcess ?
[06:13] <TheLance> about 4 months now
[06:13] <iminlalaland> well thanks for you helpish :) Trying one more time
[06:13] <dimeo> just sat around for 10 years  though
[06:13] <TheLance> no issues till today
[06:14] <dimeo> fishless
[06:14] <zeifer> What did you do last before it started this behavior?
[06:14] <macd> n2diy, yes my main linux workstation is dapper, so I agree with you, but I also have a edgy and a fesity one
[06:14] <TheLance> not much
[06:14] <TheLance> used xchat
[06:14] <zeifer> Did you install anything?
[06:14] <TheLance> i did that earlier
[06:14] <TheLance> nope
[06:14] <dimeo> macd: hows fiesty lookin so far?
[06:14] <zeifer> Change any files?
[06:14] <TheLance> nope
[06:14] <xcess> macd, I just want to see the port on which application is running.
[06:14] <TheLance> just a regular shut down
[06:14] <zeifer> Let anybody else on the system?
[06:15] <TheLance> i'm not sure
[06:15] <TheLance> i left the computer on
[06:15] <dimeo> I've heard theres some pretty sexy changes coming up in april
[06:15] <macd> dimeo, its fine so far, I just started playing with kde4 on it...
[06:15] <TheLance> when i came home
[06:15] <TheLance> i saw this
[06:15] <TheLance> i'm assuming my younger sister did something
[06:15] <xpoint> try 'netstat -natpu'
[06:15] <TheLance> or did an improper shutdown
[06:15] <n2diy> macd: fine buisness, I'm currently on my test box, but I won't be playing with Edgy until I learn how to reliably back up my production box, on to this one.
[06:15] <TheLance> so i'm assuming i can't fix this?
[06:16] <dimeo> n2diy:  use dd for backup to image the HD?
[06:16] <mister_roboto> xcess: if you know the process id, you can get all open file descriptors, including listening sockets and so on, using lsof
[06:16] <macd> xcess, do you know the port of the process?
[06:16] <TheLance> i'm running edgy eft if it makes a difference
[06:16] <macd> port OR the process?
[06:16] <macd> lsof, fuser, netstat can all aide in this
[06:16] <zeifer> TheLance, I'm running Edgy as well.
[06:16] <zeifer> On both of my comps.
[06:17] <TheLance> yeah i figured
[06:17] <TheLance> yeah ubuntu is my main os
[06:17] <zeifer> My desktop system is finicky like that.
[06:17] <TheLance> there isn't another os on the machine
[06:17] <zeifer> Same as my desktop model.
[06:17] <n2diy> dimeo: Yes, I'm exploring my options, haven't tried dd yet, and just today, I found a reference to ddrescue, which looks interesting.
[06:17] <TheLance> so i just basicly have to wait?
[06:17] <TheLance> or just a fresh install
[06:17] <xcess> macd, thats what I would like to know. Anyhow netstat -antp|grep app solved my purpose. thanks a lot
[06:17] <SoundGuy29> any reason why "sudo apt=get install phpmyadmin" can't find package ?
[06:18] <dimeo> n2diy: can't go wrong with doing a MBR backup:   sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/username/backups/hda.boot.mbr bs=512 count=1
[06:18] <zeifer> Interestingly enough, Edgy is running better on my dual-booting laptop than on my single OS desktop!
[06:18] <zeifer> You can try a fresh install if you have no fear of losing anything vital.
[06:18] <TheLance> well thats the problem
[06:18] <n2diy> SoundGuy29: apt-get, not apt=get
[06:18] <TheLance> i have a lot of vital things on it
[06:18] <dimeo> If things mess up, you can boot with Knoppix, mount the partition containing /root (hda1 in this example) and put back the MBR with the command:
[06:18] <dimeo>  dd if=/mnt/hda3/home/username/backups/hda.boot.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
[06:18] <TheLance> i can go purchase another HD
[06:19] <SoundGuy29> yeah typo in typing into mirc
[06:19] <TheLance> but i would like to resolve this before i do that
[06:19] <TheLance> or attempt to
[06:19] <zeifer> TheLance, How comfortable with the terminal are you at this point?
[06:19] <TheLance> i'm still very noobish
[06:19] <n2diy> dimeo: but that doesn't cover the stuff I have in other directories, so I have to apt-get all that stuff again, no?
[06:19] <TheLance> but i'm willing to do whatever it takes to fix it
[06:19] <TheLance> yep i just rebooted hte machine
[06:19] <SoundGuy29> "sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin" - gives E: Couldn't find package phpmyadmin
[06:19] <TheLance> and its still like that
[06:19] <dimeo> rsync is good for backups of files and data:  it's incremental so it only transfers new changes... kinda cool
[06:19] <macd> n2diy, something I started doing a long time ago, mounting /home to an nfs server ;)
[06:20] <TheLance> i'm just gonna play the waiting game now
[06:20] <dimeo> for sure backup home directory
[06:20] <zeifer> TheLance, can you select the "recovery mode" kernel and see what happens on that one?
[06:20] <dwid> goldenhawk1k3d: i cant see the second hd now
[06:20] <macd> so I can install, upgrade, etc reimage my workstations and still have everything at my fingertips.
[06:20] <TheLance> i don't see that option under grub
[06:20] <TheLance> or do you mean that on the CD?
[06:20] <n2diy> macd: no winders boxes running here. :)
[06:20] <TheLance> i popped the install CD in
[06:20] <TheLance> and i didn't see a recovery option
[06:21] <macd> n2diy, what does that have todo with /home and NFS ?
[06:21] <zeifer> TheLance, you can add the entry to Grub, I'm not sure on how to do that, but I do know it is possible.
[06:21] <dimeo> a fresh install of ubuntu and apt get (all your favourites) is not too bad to do for a recovery... as long as you've got your home directory backed up... that's irreplaceable
[06:21] <macd> NFS not NTFS in case thats what you were thinking ;)
[06:21] <seww> ok just updated GAIM and now i cannot connect, what do i do?
[06:21] <n2diy> macd: umm, isn't NFS a winder format?
[06:21] <TheLance> zeifer.. that sucks for me
[06:21] <macd> no NFS = network file system
[06:22] <zeifer> Does anybody know how to edit the grub entries to include the recovery kernel if it is apparently missing?
[06:22] <TheLance> i have no idea how to do it either
[06:22] <macd> zeifer, it should always be present, however I can tell you howto make a new entry.
[06:22] <xpoint> NTFS = Newer The Same Filesystem
[06:22] <dimeo> Partimage is a good option too.... must be run on an unmounted partition...or a live CD
[06:22] <xpoint> :-)
[06:22] <n2diy> macd: and it works in linux!?
[06:22] <TheLance> yeah its not present for me
[06:23] <TheLance> i can even take a pic to prove it
[06:23] <macd> n2diy, NFS works on virtualy any OS out there.
[06:23] <TheLance> and btw the screen isn't doing anything
[06:23] <dimeo> only MS could come up with something like NTFS...
[06:23] <zeifer> Do you have a LiveCD?
[06:23] <TheLance> the little thing just blinks
[06:23] <TheLance> yes i do
[06:24] <n2diy> macd: Really! Guess what, I'm a newb to networking, does it show?
[06:24] <zeifer> You can, theoretically, use the LiveCD to recover your files and maybe even fix your machine. It just depends on what was damaged last time the system was shut down. You could also be able to access your system log to see what's up.
[06:25] <macd> zeifer, to make a kernel recovery mode, just change the kernel linx in grub from "ro quiet single" to "ro single"
[06:25] <TheLance> well i don't know whats wrong
[06:25] <sess> I have an amd turion 64 laptop which Im going to be using primarily for Graphics design (2D and 3D), some web design, some psp development, and maybe a little gameplaying.  I was wondering if there is ANY benefit to installing x64 Ubuntu, or if I should stick with teh x86 version.  Im already aware of the much smaller apt tree (can't I just use apt-source to build the source of any app not precompiled though?) and maybe a few driver issues.
[06:25] <n2diy> macd: Actually, I'm not, last week, I set up VNC and NFS here, but I don't know what I'm doing with it, so I'm still a newb.
[06:25] <macd> sess, atm I would recommend 32bit.
[06:25] <TheLance> and the live cd
[06:25] <TheLance> won't even see the hd
[06:25] <high-freq> anyone here run the command  gem install postgres?
[06:25] <high-freq> for rubygem
[06:25] <macd> high-freq, do you get a 403 error?
[06:26] <high-freq> no i get a postgres error
[06:26] <dimeo> is the whole live CD phenomenon only in the 'nix world?  could it be that MS hasn't yet ripped off that innovative idea from developers?
[06:26] <high-freq> gem error at that
[06:26] <macd> high-freq, pastie the error.
[06:26] <sess> there are live windows cds
[06:26] <sess> they blow
[06:26] <high-freq> k thx...brb gonna paste it
[06:26] <asc_> sess: 32-bit works better.  64-bit is faster.  Or so I understand.
[06:26] <n2diy> dimeo: to late for MS, the phenom is in the public domain already.
[06:26] <dimeo> sess: not MS approved are they?
[06:26] <sess> dimeo: oh definately not :)
[06:27] <dimeo> exactly
[06:27] <dimeo> live CD's just blew me away, that you could run such a solid OS just in memory without an install.... it was like the first time I used a mouse... OMG I said
[06:28] <d0dge-> What should I use for streaming the sound card to Icecast?
[06:28] <xelados> Where can I find the wine source to download?
[06:28] <dimeo> sudo apt-get install wine
[06:28] <dimeo> i'm guessing
[06:28] <n2diy> dimeo: who, when and where was the point and click interface invented?
[06:28] <high-freq> macd: http://pastebin.com/873348
[06:29] <dimeo> xerox
[06:29] <dimeo> parc I think
[06:29] <high-freq> seems like gem error..but it installed fine
[06:29] <high-freq> manual install
[06:29] <dimeo> 1978?
[06:29] <macd> pastebin is SOOO slow
[06:29] <high-freq> ya ;(
[06:29] <macd> you should use pastie.caboo.se next time ;)
[06:29] <high-freq> never heard of that one...lol
[06:30] <macd> all the RoR people use it ;)
[06:30] <macd> ok now to your problem, I assume you have the latest build-essential metapackage installed?
[06:30] <high-freq> shouuld
[06:30] <n2diy> yep
[06:31] <dimeo> ppl thought it was mac.. and windows ripped it off apple, but apple stole it from xerox... and now MS wants to patent it and sue redhat ... it's a weird world
[06:31] <macd> high-freq, are you on dapper? i.e. what version of ruby and gems?
[06:32] <high-freq> build-essential is latest..and edgy and ruby1.9
[06:32] <slvmchn> dimeo: savage definitely can be a chore to play, and often times you can tell who's going to win a match within the first 10 minutes... but when the teams are even and you have a good commander, it rules
[06:32] <dimeo> slvmchn: I have to check it out... it sounds brilliant
[06:32] <high-freq> macd: had to manual install rubygem tho
[06:32] <n2diy> dimeo: nope, it is a just world, the truth is coming out, thanks to places like this.
[06:33] <macd> high-freg, as in ruby setup.rb ?
[06:33] <high-freq> rubygems-0.9.1
[06:33] <macd> k
[06:33] <slvmchn> it's a solid concept that is executed with a couple of bugs, but savage 2 at least will have huge potential, and there were some developers from savage 1 that split off to make a game similar to it
[06:33] <macd> give me a sec on my edgy box to try install the postgres gem
[06:33] <high-freq> macd: yes  sudo ruby1.9 setup.rb
[06:33] <dimeo> n2diy: I'm quite excited at the future of the open source movement.. it's decentralized, autonomous... it's just not going to simply go away
[06:34] <TheLance> zeifer this is what i see under grub boot selection
[06:34] <TheLance> http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1107/1615087019573300sv0.jpg
[06:34] <TheLance> no recovery
[06:34] <n2diy> dimeo: ditto
[06:34] <dimeo> however.. what made ubuntu kick ass. was the money that the founder had invested and put out awesome regular updates
[06:35] <gpd> the memory in my new system is failing in memtest - there are no settings in the bios that could cause this - correct?  I just RMA :(
[06:35] <dimeo> so .. if he dries up.. will ubuntu be mature enough and with enough team members to continue?
[06:35] <WindyCN> Can someone please PM me and tell me whether a Core 2 Duo system should use the x86 or 64-bit version of Ubuntu DD. Thank you.
[06:35] <macd> WindyCN, we already told you it can use either.
[06:35] <TheLance> anyone here know how to fix this problem that i'm having? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351454
[06:35] <n2diy> dimeo: He was a late comer to the game, but his investment is worthwhile.
[06:35] <dimeo> windycn... use 32 bit.
[06:36] <dimeo> late comer to linux or to ubuntu?
[06:36] <asc_> WindyCN: PM is a pain to use on here.
[06:36] <dimeo> I thought he made ubuntu happen
[06:36] <WindyCN> macd: ah i'm sorry i must have missed the message
[06:36] <n2diy> dimeo: Linux, I never heard of Ubuntu or Mark S. until six months ago.
[06:36] <rogueChsbrgr> windycn..depends on what you want
[06:36] <macd> I would use 32bit myself, 64bit has incompatibility issues not easily resolved.
[06:36] <WindyCN> dimeo: not a latecomer as such, just i recently changed laptops so i'm confused as to whether the 64-bit edition is for the AMD64 line only or what
[06:37] <rogueChsbrgr> should work on any 64 bit proc
[06:37] <n2diy> dimeo: Christ, I almost abbreviated Mark S. as MS!!!
[06:37] <WindyCN> hmm
[06:37] <WindyCN> so the 64-bit version has no improvements to performance and a bunch of compatibility issues, yes?
[06:38] <macd> it performs better, but its not worth the tradeoffs.
[06:38] <rogueChsbrgr> it gives a decent performance boost on my AMD
[06:38] <WindyCN> hmm
[06:38] <rogueChsbrgr> but, yes, compatibility issues
[06:38] <WindyCN> eh
[06:38] <WindyCN> guess i'll just stick with x86-64
[06:38] <WindyCN> err
[06:38] <WindyCN> i mean x86
[06:38] <WindyCN> ugh
[06:38] <zeifer> WindyCN, You seem to be long-winded in short bursts
[06:39] <kferdous> hmm anyone run ubuntu on their powerbook?
[06:39] <n2diy> ! enter
[06:39] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:39] <WindyCN> zeifer: it's a talent
[06:39] <WindyCN> i was AFK getting the lappie working
[06:39] <dimeo> u tell um ubotu
[06:39] <sess> damn, can't find my old edgy cd
[06:39] <dimeo> =P
[06:39] <sess> downloading a new copy of the iso
[06:40] <dimeo> sess... cost u 50c for another
[06:40] <sess> Ill skip the x64 install for now
[06:40] <zeifer> sess, have fun with that
[06:40] <n2diy> old, edgy?
[06:40] <TheLance> guys how do i recover an ubuntu install using recovery mode?
[06:40] <zeifer> I hope you're internet connection is speedy.
[06:40] <TheLance> well it is
[06:40] <sess> n2diy: well, I downloaded the iso right after edgy was "released"
[06:40] <TheLance> i have high speed
[06:40] <WindyCN> meh, thanks for the answers, i'm off.
[06:41] <n2diy> sess: so that makes my Dapper really, really old I guess?
[06:41] <sess> so old may not be the right term, but It feels right considering how many cds and dvd's I've burned in teh last two months
[06:41] <dimeo> heheh.. know what u mean sess
[06:41] <TheLance> well i booted into single user mode and i can do stuff in the terminal
[06:41] <sess> :)
[06:41] <dimeo>  I gotta start clearing out all my old burns
[06:41] <zeifer> TheLance, ok that's a start
[06:41] <TheLance> but i don't know what the commands are to recovoering it
[06:41] <dimeo> mandrake os
[06:41] <dimeo> wtf...
[06:41] <n2diy> sess: roger being in the coaster business. :)
[06:41] <dimeo> it's not even called that any more
[06:41] <TheLance> is there like a tutatorial anywhere?
[06:42] <macd> high-freq, its going so let me see if its going to fail or not.
[06:42] <Zilliot> I need codecs end decoder dvd for Videoplayer end Rhythmbox in Ubuntu?Were downloan?
[06:42] <mneptok> TheLance: define "recover." what do you need to do?
[06:42] <high-freq> k
[06:42] <dimeo> and knoppix ... 8 versions behind....
[06:42] <rogueChsbrgr> TheLance...why do you need to recover?
[06:42] <TheLance> well here let me show you
[06:42] <TheLance> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351454
[06:42] <high-freq> i also tried the postgresql pckgs in repos but didn't work..so i took em out...and then manual install
[06:42] <n2diy> TheLance: yes, google for the "rute manual"
[06:42] <zeifer> rogueChsbrgr, his system hangs just after checking filesystems is complete
[06:42] <TheLance> thats the problem i'm having
[06:42] <high-freq> to 0.8.2 postgresql
[06:42] <BC> What's the command to install radeon drivers?
[06:43] <macd> high-freq, you are trying to install the RoR bindings for pgsql correct? not pgsql itself?
[06:43] <zeifer> BC: Have fun with that, it's all ATi and takes more than apt-get to manage.
[06:43] <high-freq> ya i guess i need the RoR bindings
[06:43] <TheLance> yeah
[06:43] <TheLance> ati website
[06:43] <TheLance> download the .deb
[06:43] <high-freq> pqsql was fine on install
[06:43] <dimeo> I I start to have enuf of these old burns lying around that work.. I should just grow my hair like a freak and walk around the local park handing them out to children ;)
[06:43] <macd> high-freq, as in your rails app needs to use a pgsql db?
[06:43] <TheLance> and just drag that into the terminal
[06:43] <high-freq> rubygems was fine on install
[06:43] <Zilliot> I need codecs end decoder dvd for Videoplayer end Rhythmbox in Ubuntu?Were downloan?
[06:43] <high-freq> ya
[06:43] <macd> k
[06:43] <n2diy> BC: sudo modprobe drivername
[06:43] <TheLance> it should install itself
[06:43] <zeifer> Actually... start off with Automatix, it will be a life saver!
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> !automatix | zeifer
[06:44] <ubotu> zeifer: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:44] <Logite> Yo guys, when I start up my comp and try the installer from a livecd
[06:44] <mneptok> TheLance: use <esc> at boot to edit the GRUB parameters and remove "splash" and "quiet" and see where you get stuck.
[06:44] <BC> Thanks guys
[06:44] <Logite> The screen turns black
[06:44] <Logite> Help?
[06:44] <dimeo> strongly discourage... pfft... they're just jelious
[06:44] <TheLance> hit esc
[06:44] <Logite> me?
[06:44] <TheLance> but then it takes me to this screen
[06:44] <TheLance> i cna
[06:44] <high-freq> macd: is there a package for RoR
[06:45] <zeifer> ubotu, I haven't had any problems with automatix2
[06:45] <TheLance> can't edit anything
[06:45] <dimeo> what?  ppl have installed codecs easily?
[06:45] <n2diy> tonyyrarusso, your sniping tonight, good job.
[06:45] <dimeo> gotta put a stop to that!
[06:45] <Logite> Yo guys, when I try to install ubuntu from the livecd
[06:45] <rogueChsbrgr> Logite: sounds like an X prob
[06:45] <macd> high-freq, the pgsql package that is a gem, is the ruby bindings for pgsql, so that in your databsase.yaml file you can say pgsql.
[06:45] <Logite> X?
[06:45] <asc_> Logite: try the alternate install CD, it doesn't have fancy graphics that can break
[06:45] <zeifer> TheLance, try using "su gedit (file)" to edit anything that disallows you to do so otherwise.
[06:45] <TheLance> http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/5747/1615087019573300kc6.jpg
[06:45] <Logite> X problem?
[06:45] <high-freq> aaah
[06:45] <rogueChsbrgr> X windows
[06:45] <TheLance> whats the file?
[06:46] <Logite> yeah, i've had windows on the hd
[06:46] <dimeo> macd... dude you need to switch to #hardcore-hacker
[06:46] <Logite> how do i get the problem away?
[06:46] <TheLance> i tried a dpkg earlier
[06:46] <high-freq> macd: bah gotta go pick up roomies friend...brb..won't take too long
[06:46] <n2diy> ! gksudo | zeifer
[06:46] <ubotu> zeifer: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[06:46] <TheLance> but that didn't do much
[06:46] <TheLance> oh ok
[06:46] <macd> high-freq, I'll be here.
[06:46] <TheLance> gksude
[06:46] <TheLance> gksudo
[06:46] <dimeo> pgsql waml. yaml. jaml
[06:46] <TheLance> lets try the dpkg
[06:46] <high-freq> macd: thx bud....i'll msg u when i get back
[06:46] <TheLance> see if that works
[06:46] <TheLance> nope
[06:47] <zeifer> n2diy, He's in a terminal only, he has no GUI
[06:47] <TheLance> it just told me bash
[06:47] <mneptok> TheLance: *what* dpkg?
[06:47] <macd> dimeo, nahh just been doing linux since 1.0 or so.
[06:47] <Logite> so if i had a windows install on the hd previously
[06:47] <dimeo> wow... respect
[06:47] <TheLance> the xorg.conf
[06:47] <Logite> what do i do to clear up the issue?
[06:47] <BC> Um...the driver listed on ATI's website is proprietary, isn't that uncompatable with 3d acceleration?
[06:47] <dimeo> what year was that ... take me down memory lane
[06:47] <TheLance> yeah i'm in terminal
[06:47] <xelados> ubotu: Thank you! I've been dying to figure out the command to run a GUI app as root.
[06:47] <kris_> anyone know why i can't get my identd working? i've tried all of the ident daemons on universe, and i know the port is open but its not returning an ident response
[06:47] <macd> BC, no, in fact it does indeed support 3d
[06:48] <TheLance> well problem is
[06:48] <TheLance> i
[06:48] <TheLance> i'm stuck guys
[06:48] <macd> but my opinions on binaryblobs in the kernel i.e. ati/nvidias closed source drivers, suck.
[06:48] <mneptok> TheLance: you should not be editing xorg.conf or anything else until you determine exactly where the boot process is failing.
[06:48] <dimeo> linux scared me until I read news about MS plans to put TCM into every PC
[06:48] <Logite> erm, guys
[06:48] <Depinder> hello - would anyone be able to help with my non-working wireless internet on my thinkpad t42?
[06:48] <n2diy> zeifer: if he is in a terminal, how can he run gedit?
[06:48] <TheLance> well how do i do that?
[06:48] <mneptok> TheLance: use <esc> at boot to edit the GRUB parameters and remove "splash" and "quiet" and see where you get stuck.
[06:48] <xelados> lol
[06:48] <TheLance> how do i edit the parameters?
[06:48] <Logite> If I had windows installed on the harddrive I'm installing ubuntu to
[06:48] <zeifer> I forgot that Gedit is a gui-based editor.
[06:49] <Logite> How do I clear it off so i can install ubuntu
[06:49] <zeifer> I've just used it so much.
[06:49] <macd> zeifer, vi will be your friend.
[06:49] <BC> macd: is it the fglrx driver? if so that voids out my entire purpose of downloading ATI drivers
[06:49] <macd> zeifer, but for a nice quick easy to use editor, nano/pico work well.
[06:49] <asc_> Logite: Having windows installed shouldn't cause any problems.  Just tell it to partition automatically when you get to that stage of the installation and it will overwrite it.
[06:49] <TheLance> man i'm such a noob at this stuff
[06:49] <dimeo> zeifer: IRC actions are a lost artform... how do I do it again?
[06:49] <TheLance> i didn't rung into issues like this before
[06:49] <mneptok>  /me
[06:49] <macd> BC, its not the same driver that ships with X11
[06:50] <asc_> Logite: I think what he said was 'X windows', which is the thing that draws pretty pictures under Links.
[06:50] <sivik> when running aptitude (apt-get) how do i tell what version of the program is in the repo
[06:50] <TheLance> ok im in the grub menu
[06:50] <asc_> *Linux
[06:50] <TheLance> and all i see is hit c for command
[06:50] <TheLance> and i see my three usual boots
[06:50] <BC> macd: I'm trying to run a XGL system and I was told the fglrx driver doesn't work with 3d acceleration which is why I am skeptical.
[06:50] <Logite> when i go to install ubuntu though
[06:50] <mneptok> sivik: aptitude show $packagename
[06:50] <Logite> my screen just goes black
[06:50] <Logite> after loading the linux kernel
[06:50] <mercurysquad> hey guys
[06:50] <TheLance> k
[06:50] <Logite> it shows the ubuntu thing with the bar
[06:50] <Logite> and after that it just goes blank
[06:51] <macd> BC, I think you should check with the people in #xgl
[06:51] <sivik> nice
[06:51] <asc_> Logite: That is probably unrelated to Microsoft Windows.
[06:51] <dimeo> macd:   so when did you convert to ubuntu? and what distro was your fav b4?
[06:51] <rogueChsbrgr> Logite: that's an X prob alright
[06:51] <Logite> someone told me it was..heh
[06:51] <mercurysquad> can someone quickly tell me which package is the one for the calendar that pops up when you click the clock ?
[06:51] <Logite> so how do i go about getting it fixed?
[06:51] <asc_> Logite: To me, it sounds broken.  Can you burn another install CD?
[06:52] <asc_> and verify the .iso while you're at it
[06:52] <Logite> i'm getting 2 different people telling me stuff
[06:52] <Logite> one says it's an x problem
[06:52] <illriginal> Does linux have an SFV checker? Or am I out of luck?
[06:52] <Logite> the other says it's the livecd
[06:52] <macd> dimeo, about a year or so ago, for commercial use, I still use suse enterprise, my fav distro is ubuntu now, previously Ive been a long time redhat and debian fan, but alas its time to move to a single more manageable platform
[06:52] <iMag> looking for assistance on setting up a shared internet connection (2 network cards, 1 connected to internet, other is connected to xbox360)
[06:52] <sivik> mneptok, thanks
[06:52] <dimeo> I played with Mepis for a year first
[06:52] <TheLance> i get an unregconized command mneptok
[06:52] <asc_> Logite: It could also be both, or neither
[06:52] <rogueChsbrgr> that could be too
[06:52] <macd> and debian based distros provide that with apt based package management
[06:52] <Logite> so if it IS an x problem
[06:52] <Logite> how do i go about fixing that
[06:52] <rogueChsbrgr> afk
[06:52] <Logite> i don't think it's the live cd
[06:52] <syko990> does ubuntu support NTFS access?
[06:53] <macd> iMag, what you want todo is setup NAT. the ubuntu forums have some great howtos.
[06:53] <anon_> not *really*
[06:53] <macd> syko990, yes and no.
[06:53] <dimeo> then waay back it was mandrake... god that was a mess.. i heard it was the *easier* to use distro
[06:53] <anon_> you can see the files
[06:53] <Logite> anybody: if it is an x problem, how do I fix it so i can install ubuntu?
[06:53] <mneptok> (read)
[06:53] <dimeo> probably fried my laptop.. thank god for extended warranties :-D
[06:53] <anon_> but can't write to them!
[06:53] <mneptok> (write)
[06:53] <macd> ubuntu supports read/writing to NTFS filesystems.
[06:54] <anon_> really?
[06:54] <macd> yes.
[06:54] <anon_> I thought it was RO
[06:54] <dimeo> yea... the apt-get changed everything for me
[06:54] <n2diy> dimeo: the first linux distro I every got to play with online, with a gui, was Mandrake 7.0
[06:54] <mneptok> macd: not in a safe way, sadly.
[06:54] <asc_> Logite: X problems are an interesting type of problems.  They're also a huge pain in the ass.
[06:54] <mneptok> macd: FUSE? *shudder*
[06:54] <syko990> macd,plz explain?
[06:54] <illriginal> Can anyone tell me if there's a program that checks SFV on MP3s?
[06:54] <macd> well, captive NTFS isnt safe either, but that doesnt stop plenty of people from using it
[06:54] <mneptok> illriginal: SFV?
[06:54] <Logite> asc_: what should I do then?
[06:54] <dimeo> whats all the fuss about zenwalk.. can't be all that compared to ubuntu...
[06:54] <asc_> Logite: if it's *just* an X problem, it should drop you to a command line... at least, that's when it did when it couldn't start X, for me, with Edgy.
[06:55] <illriginal> To know that it's authentic and good quality.
[06:55] <macd> syko990, at this time, I wouldnt recommend trying it.
[06:55] <syko990> ok
[06:55] <anon_> so, read-only for now
[06:55] <mneptok> illriginal: i have no idea what that even means. :)
[06:55] <illriginal> for windows it's called HKSFV
[06:55] <mneptok> illriginal: "authentic?"
[06:55] <illriginal> yes
[06:55] <Logite> asc_: well the first time I tried installing it said somethign about port 1, but then I took another harddrive and it's doing the same thing but without the port 1
[06:55] <mneptok> as opposed to .....
[06:55] <illriginal> a file that hasn't had it's meta file information changed.
[06:55] <Logite> asc_: It might be the cd then?
[06:56] <illriginal> its'*
[06:56] <mneptok> illriginal: editing ID3 tags is somehow bad?
[06:56] <illriginal> yes.
[06:56] <BC> Where do you get the ATI open source driver described on this page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#head-a0bf0ca17168200ea3dd810ae505419bdc7f2e6d
[06:56] <macd> syko990, what I would do it have your main windows partition ntfs, and then your storage area as vfat, then you can safely read/write b/t the the OS's
[06:56] <asc_> Logite: Installer problems are always hard to troubleshoot :\
[06:56] <illriginal> some people like to change the name of it to suit them.. takes away the authenticity of it.
[06:56] <Logite> I guess i'll just reburn it then
[06:56] <iMag> now, for another problem is not being able to get sound from my line in on my sound card. volume levels are maxed. line in works in windows so it isn't a problem with the sound card
[06:57] <macd> I dual boot a laptop, and have a vfat partition for firefox, etc so I can keep my bookmarks and whatnot synced b/t the 2 OS's
[06:57] <mneptok> illriginal: no offense, but that makes absolutely no sense to me.
[06:57] <xelados> illriginal: Are you suggesting that people be unable to change a file's resource name and/or its metadata?
[06:57] <TheLance> k
[06:57] <TheLance> well i'm done with ubuntu
[06:57] <dimeo> IMHO eliminate all NTFS everywhere... would be much better for the world
[06:57] <illriginal> :\
[06:57] <TheLance> i'm gonna go ahead and install opensuse
[06:57] <syko990> but that's the reason( only vfat) i want to move from fc4 to ubuntu
[06:57] <asc_> Logite: Worth a try... I always recommend using the 'alternate' install CD because this sort of thing can't go wrong with it
[06:57] <macd> TheLance, dont expect instant gratification, wait a few days on the forums ;)
[06:58] <illriginal> some people will name the album that the song belongs to a different name
[06:58] <Onburiiku> Hey, I got a question
[06:58] <illriginal> so instead of song A belonging to album 1
[06:58] <TheLance> well i don't want to wait
[06:58] <TheLance> thats hte thing
[06:58] <dimeo> TheLance: why opensuse ?
[06:58] <n2diy> dimeo: OMG, you dropped the gauntlet on the darkside"
[06:58] <illriginal> it's song A belongin to album B
[06:58] <Onburiiku> I'm running Ubuntu via VMWare. Is that going to cause a problem with alot of things?
[06:58] <n2diy> darkside!
[06:58] <TheLance> i'm getting tired of all edgy's problem
[06:58] <mneptok> illriginal: that's why Amazon and ID3 tag editors exist
[06:58] <elijah> hi, how can i install an application in ubuntu?
[06:58] <macd> TheLance, have fun with opensuse, its also a great distro, bvut its support community doenst compare with ubuntu.
[06:58] <Onburiiku> Like Wine, or my speakers not working?
[06:58] <macd> TheLance, what do you expect, EDGY!
[06:58] <xelados> illriginal: Mistakes happen. Most people fix their mistakes if they find out that they were wrong.
[06:58] <dimeo> n2diy: bring it on...
[06:58] <macd> is leading EDGE!
[06:58] <TheLance> well its actually pretty prety good
[06:58] <TheLance> til today
[06:59] <anon_> Onburiiku: that's a VMWare question, not an ubuntu one
[06:59] <illriginal> thus is why i need a sfv checker
[06:59] <illriginal> because it does that for me.
[06:59] <TheLance> i just used it because it was simple
[06:59] <n2diy> dimeo: :) lets rock!
[06:59] <TheLance> what i'm dealing with now isn't simple
[06:59] <Onburiiku> k, thanks anon
[06:59] <forsaken> hey does anybody know how to get ubuntu to read avi/mpg/mp3?
[06:59] <bigcx2> TheLance: what was your problem?
[06:59] <TheLance> this is like windows xp crap
[06:59] <TheLance> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351454
[06:59] <Logite> asc_: what's diff between the alt and the reg?
[06:59] <TheLance> that was my problem
[06:59] <anon_> illriginal: try searching synaptic for mp3 tag
[06:59] <macd> !restricted
[06:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:59] <TheLance> at this point
[06:59] <anon_> or IDE or whatever the tags are called
[06:59] <BC> How do you install the driver listed on this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#head-a0bf0ca17168200ea3dd810ae505419bdc7f2e6d This only shows what to do once you install the driver, but says nothing about how to ACTUALLY install the driver, no?
[06:59] <xelados> I'm of the opinion that the user should be able to change anything about any file on their computer. After all, it's _their_ computer.
[06:59] <elijah> anon_
[06:59] <TheLance> i think a clean install is the only way to fix it
[07:00] <dimeo> TheLance: there is a certain amount of PC crap... non OS  specific.. just the nature of playing with geek toys
[07:00] <illriginal> thanx anon_
[07:00] <dante_> wow, im new using linux, and i just love it
[07:00] <mneptok> illriginal: it seems SFV is nothing more than a checksum
[07:00] <TheLance> well its great dante
[07:00] <dimeo> dante_: welcome to the rest of your life
[07:00] <macd> BC, that link tells you exactly howto install the driver.
[07:00] <asc_> Logite: the regular CD is a 'livecd' - it runs the operating system from the disk, and you can use that to install it.  the alternate CD uses a text-mode installer, similar to windows
[07:00] <asc_> although slightly less ugly
[07:00] <dante_> cool
[07:00] <TheLance> but i stopped using windows because of all this stupid boot screen stuff
[07:00] <bigcx2> TheLance: have you tried booting into recovery mode or perhaps trying a different kernel?
[07:00] <Logite> asc_: windows xp?
[07:00] <mneptok> illriginal: just install EasyTag and edit the tags of mps to suit you
[07:00] <BC> macd: It's only telling me what to configure after the driver is installed, no?
[07:00] <TheLance> my windows install kept lcoking up in the boot screen
[07:00] <illriginal> yes it looks at the song... and says "hey, this song isn't what it really is... would like me to find and replace the information with the right one?"
[07:00] <dante_> yeah, and that annoying blue screen of death
[07:01] <illriginal> lol
[07:01] <TheLance> i tried single usermode
[07:01] <Logite> asc_: also, how hard is it to install with the alt?
[07:01] <TheLance> but i don't know what i'm doing
[07:01] <TheLance> i don't hav ea recovery mode
[07:01] <dimeo> Logite: pretty painless...
[07:01] <Flannel> Logite: real easy.  Just textmode graphics instead of fancy stuff
[07:01] <TheLance> its not under the grub boot list
[07:01] <macd> BC,  no its telling you howto install it as well
[07:01] <asc_> Logite: Never installed XP.  Similar to 2000 for sure, which ought to be pretty similar to XP.
[07:01] <Logite> Where do I find the alt?
[07:01] <mneptok> TheLance: have you stopped to consider the fact that 2 OSes failing to reliably boot *might* mean faulty hardware?
[07:01] <bigcx2> everyone has a recovery mode in an ubuntu system (unless you removed it)
[07:01] <Onburiiku> Okay, I give up.
[07:01] <dimeo> Logite: the alt was handy for putting on a pII with only 256mb
[07:01] <dante_> 2000=xp
[07:01] <Flannel> Logite: same place you downloaded the desktop CD
[07:01] <TheLance> cant be
[07:01] <dante_> both are equally NT
[07:01] <Logite> I see the desktop one at: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download#currentrelease
[07:01] <Onburiiku> I'm going to try and actually install Ubuntu again
[07:01] <TheLance> i installed mac os on this
[07:01] <bigcx2> plus if windows was screwing up at boot time
[07:01] <macd> BC, the opensource radeon drive WILL NOT run XGL.
[07:02] <Onburiiku> for the 3rd time
[07:02] <TheLance> worked fine
[07:02] <n2diy> TheLance: you installed windows after you installled linux?
[07:02] <bigcx2> you might have bad hardware
[07:02] <TheLance> nope
[07:02] <TheLance> before
[07:02] <bigcx2> lol someone already wrote that
[07:02] <illriginal> HKSFV <- for windows does that for me without me editing anything... it does that for me by itself... nevermind ill google around, sorry for the misunderstanding.
[07:02] <asc_> Logite: the partitions are the hard part if you haven't used linux before; telling it to partition automatically is probably a good idea.  Pretty much everything else is easy to work out.
[07:02] <TheLance> linux solved a lot of issues for a while
[07:02] <dante_> maybe windows was the first OS of almost anyone witha computer
[07:02] <Flannel> Logite: you might need to go to "more install options", depending on which version you're installing
[07:02] <Logite> asc_: I don't really want partitions
[07:02] <TheLance> so i been using it for like 6 months now
[07:02] <Onburiiku> You know that Ubunut thing you can download and run in windows, then you're supposed to be able to boot ubuntu?
[07:02] <TheLance> specifically ubuntu
[07:02] <Onburiiku> That doesn nothing
[07:02] <dimeo> bigcx2: whoever writes slowest buys the next round of beer
[07:02] <Onburiiku> just like everything else I've tried
[07:03] <Flannel> Logite: Partitions are a good thing ;)  You'll probably want to reinstall with partitions in a few months when you get your bearings.  Or at least, with a separate home partition
[07:03] <TheLance> i even installed macos on it at time
[07:03] <Onburiiku> I think it must by my BIOS
[07:03] <bigcx2> lol ok
[07:03] <TheLance> i might just go that tommorow
[07:03] <dante_> mcos sucks BIG TIME
[07:03] <macd> http://goodbye-microsoft.com ;)
[07:03] <n2diy> TheLance: specifically Ubuntu? What else are you playing with on the HD?
[07:03] <TheLance> its exactly like ubuntu
[07:03] <Logite> Flannel: Why would I need partitions? For windows?
[07:03] <TheLance> nothing
[07:03] <asc_> Logite: It's hard to have an operating system without at least one.  Select automatic, and you don't have to worry about it.
[07:03] <TheLance> everytime i do an install
[07:03] <TheLance> its a fresh reformat
[07:03] <dante_> hm.... theres one thing i want to know.. whats the meaning of the name "ubuntu"?
[07:03] <dimeo> macd: sweet linki
[07:03] <dimeo> link
[07:03] <bigcx2> TheLance: if you notice, there is 908 people in this chat room...try getting that kind of support from opensuse
[07:03] <TheLance> its means
[07:03] <asc_> Logite: The C drive under windows is a partition.  If you have only the C drive, you have one partition.
[07:03] <TheLance> beautiful
[07:04] <Flannel> Logite: no, so when/if/whatever you reinstall (or do a fresh install instead of 'upgrading', or whatever), you reinstall around your home partition, so all your personal stuff stays, and you don't have to worry about copying/backing up/etc
[07:04] <TheLance> well the thing is
[07:04] <asc_> Logite: If you have, say, C and D, you have two partitions
[07:04] <dante_> really?
[07:04] <dante_> cool
[07:04] <TheLance> i've been having little issues wiht it
[07:04] <n2diy> ! automatix | asc_
[07:04] <ubotu> asc_: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:04] <macd> dimeo, yes, yes it is. ubuntu has the same thing as well.
[07:04] <TheLance> it was  chore trying to get 1440X900 screen resololution
[07:04] <Flannel> Logite: You reinstall without reformatting /home, just mounting it, and basically, it takes most of the pain out of reinstalling.
[07:04] <Logite> asc_: I have an idea of what partitions are, but why would I need them?
[07:04] <asc_> n2diy: I'm talking about automatic partitioning in the installer, not automatix
[07:05] <TheLance> well heres what i'll do
[07:05] <Flannel> Logite: Partitions in linux aren't like windows.  Think of if you could have a separate partition for "My Documents"
[07:05] <TheLance> i'm gonna go get a new HD
[07:05] <Onburiiku> I'll bbs, gonna try and install Ubuntu again
[07:05] <TheLance> recover all my files
[07:05] <asc_> Logite: To have a file system, you need a partition.  To have files, you need a file system.
[07:05] <n2diy> asc_, ok sorry.
[07:05] <TheLance> and reinstall an os
[07:05] <dimeo> macd: ubuntu has a microsoft killer web link?
[07:05] <TheLance> i don't know which one
[07:05] <dimeo> what.. like.. kiss my ass bill gates dot org?
[07:05] <bigcx2> why don't you try backing up what you need
[07:05] <Logite> asc_: Ah, guess it's a bit diff then windows eh
[07:05] <bigcx2> and then reinstalling the os
[07:05] <TheLance> how do i do that?
[07:05] <bigcx2> without buying the new hardware
[07:05] <bigcx2> i dunno
[07:05] <bigcx2> cd's
[07:05] <Vema> netstat -lt   reports open ports 2208, 63047, 5900, 44273  anyone know what these are?
[07:05] <bigcx2> whatever you want
[07:05] <TheLance> how?
[07:05] <macd> dimeo, no just the installation method, there is a windows installer for ubuntu now.
[07:05] <nixbox> is there a way to view the contents of an initrd image, like which modules are there?
[07:05] <TheLance> without a working os
[07:05] <bigcx2> command line tools
[07:06] <bigcx2> in recovery mode
[07:06] <po0f> Vema: grep NUM /etc/services
[07:06] <TheLance> well thats the problem
[07:06] <bigcx2> at the boot screen
[07:06] <bigcx2> hit esc
[07:06] <TheLance> i'm kinda noob at command lines
[07:06] <dimeo> macd: gotcha.. himm mebbie I look into buying that url I mentioned
[07:06] <n2diy> Vema:  where did you get the reports from?
[07:06] <TheLance> i have no idea what i'm doing when it comes to that
[07:06] <TheLance> thats why i used ubuntu for a reason
[07:06] <TheLance> to learn it
[07:06] <TheLance> it didn't do a very good job obviously
[07:06] <dimeo> can't find the server at www.kissmyassbillgates.org   yup it's available
[07:06] <bigcx2> well...you're obviously on irc somehow
[07:06] <TheLance> yeah
[07:07] <starkruzr> so guys.  how do you install Ubuntu on a machine with no CD ROM drive, running Red Hat Enterprise 4?
[07:07] <TheLance> installing xhcat
[07:07] <TheLance> ony my windows laptop
[07:07] <Vema> n2diy, from : netstat -lt
[07:07] <Flannel> !install | starkruzr
[07:07] <ubotu> starkruzr: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[07:07] <bigcx2> so look up what you need to learn to backup your data from the command line
[07:07] <po0f> Vema: Ok, they just look like regular network connections.
[07:07] <bigcx2> and voila
[07:07] <bigcx2> learning is occuring
[07:07] <asc_> Logite: to get to the alternate install CD... uh, are you going to use 6.06 or 6.10?
[07:07] <Vema> po0f, i cant find anything grepping services
[07:07] <TheLance> well i've tried that today
[07:07] <Logite> I don't know, what's the main diff
[07:07] <TheLance> google is a good tool
[07:07] <SoundGuy29> questoin: in redhat i'd use chkconfig to stop a service from running by default. how do i do it in ubuntu ?
[07:07] <bigcx2> indeed it is
[07:07] <TheLance> but not much pops up for ubuntu
[07:08] <asc_> Logite: 6.10 is newer.  Some people also find it's less stable.
[07:08] <Logite> I'm just wanting to switch over to ubuntu cause windows is a pain op system
[07:08] <bigcx2> :/ i don't know about that
[07:08] <n2diy> Vema:  ok, go to www.grc.com, and run there "sheilds up" program, they will scan your ports, an tell you if your have any vulnerablityes.
[07:08] <sanddrag> anyone know how long it takes to update from 6.06 to 6.10 once the download is done?
[07:08] <Logite> What are the advantages aof being new? Is it less compatible?
[07:08] <coach_z> what size HD do i need to install ubuntu?
[07:08] <Quarupt> I am trying to build stepmania from source while running the configure script I get this? Error: 'Characters/default' is missing.
[07:08] <Quarupt> ooops Not that
[07:08] <macd> coach_z, a 1.2gb would work fine ;P
[07:08] <asc_> Logite: Hum, faster boot time... newer kernel, more recent versions of software
[07:08] <coach_z> sweet
[07:08] <Logite> 6.10 then
[07:09] <Quarupt> I am trying to build stepmania from source while running the configure script I get this? configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found
[07:09] <coach_z> thanks madcd
[07:09] <asc_> righto
[07:09] <dimeo> coach_z older system?
[07:09] <n2diy> Logite: linux isn't new, it is based on one of the oldest operating systems known.
[07:09] <coach_z> new system, reallllly  old HD
[07:09] <asc_> under 6.10, click north america->united states and pick a random server
[07:09] <SoundGuy29> anyone ? in redhat i'd use chkconfig to stop a service from running by default. how do i do it in ubuntu ?
[07:09] <Quarupt> How can I get a an "OpenGL Library? Do I need to install a package?
[07:09] <asc_> or use your continent of choice
[07:09] <Vema> n2diy, Ok, i've got 2 other ubuntu machines and they just report normal ports like 22, 21, 80 etc. I'm just a bit paranoid
[07:09] <TheLance> damn it
[07:09] <asc_> Logite: belay that order
[07:09] <TheLance>  i don't wnat to spend the time
[07:09] <sanddrag> it's taking forever to update to 6.10
[07:09] <TheLance> installing everything
[07:09] <asc_> Logite: they've changed the download screen thing
[07:09] <TheLance> and making it be the way i had it all over again
[07:09] <macd> SoundGuy29, you want a console based way of a GUI?
[07:10] <macd> or a GUI*
[07:10] <SoundGuy29> console
[07:10] <SoundGuy29> i'm using server
[07:10] <TheLance> it took me forever to get the edgy eft orginal artwork back on it
[07:10] <SoundGuy29> 6.06
[07:10] <dimeo> ubuntu with xfce runs quite nice on a p2, with 256mb and 1.5gb HD
[07:10] <TheLance> not ot mention i have a bunch of term papers on it
[07:10] <n2diy> Vema:  understood, and follow my previos  instructions,:  ok, go to www.grc.com, and run there "sheilds up" program, they will scan your ports, an tell you if your have any vulnerablityes.
[07:10] <macd> SoundGuy29, then just remove the service from /etc/init.d/
[07:10] <asc_> Logite: okay.  continent->region->random server, then click 'other installation options'
[07:10] <SoundGuy29> well, i'd like it to sat in init.d i
[07:10] <dimeo> mmm or isit a p3.. can't be sure
[07:10] <SoundGuy29> in case i want to run in manyually
[07:10] <Quarupted> Hello can anyone help me????
[07:10] <Quarupted> I am trying to build stepmania from source while running the configure script I get this? configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found
[07:10] <Vema> n2diy, I am, thanks
[07:11] <asc_> Logite: it'll take you to a page that looks a bit like this: http://ftp.wayne.edu/linux_distributions/ubuntu/edgy/
[07:11] <macd> SoundGuy29, then remove the symlinke in /etc/rc1.d/ rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5
[07:11] <sanddrag> seems like I could download and burn the iso and do a clean install of 6.10 in the amount of time it is taking to update
[07:11] <SoundGuy29> isn't there a more elegant way than removing links ?
[07:11] <asc_> Logite: then scroll down to the alternate install CD and download it
[07:11] <macd> SoundGuy29, ehh not sure, Im old school, I still make them by hand ;)
[07:12] <TheLance> well alright how does this sound?
[07:12] <TheLance> i get a new HD
[07:12] <SoundGuy29> yeah. well something must be used instead of chkconfig in ubuntu
[07:12] <TheLance> install ubuntu on that
[07:12] <dimeo> hey another canadjun!
[07:12] <dimeo> hey orkid
[07:12] <tritohc> how can i setup a widescreen resolution
[07:12] <TheLance> then use that HD to recover all the stuff on i have on my current hd
[07:12] <Madpilot> orkid, dimeo, #ubuntu-ca for more Canadian  Ubuntu-flavoured goodness
[07:12] <orkid> hey dimeo
[07:12] <TheLance> well you have to go edit your xorg.conf tritohc
[07:12] <dimeo> orkid: you must be out west.. it's past bedtime here
[07:12] <Logite> asc_: what if i have a 64 bit processor
[07:13] <n2diy> ! twinview | tritohc
[07:13] <ubotu> tritohc: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[07:13] <orkid> no, in EST dimeo
[07:13] <rogueChsbrgr__> tritohc: xorg.conf
[07:13] <zeifer> CST here
[07:13] <asc_> Logite: is it x86 architecture?
[07:13] <TheLance> edit that
[07:13] <tritohc> ubotu: that will be my next question
[07:13] <TheLance> and inject the resolution you want
[07:13] <dimeo> hehehe.. ure like me.. gonna be a ruf day at werk tomarra
[07:13] <tritohc> rogueChsbrgr__, TheLance: i'm working on that
[07:13] <Logite> AMD Athlon 64 3500+
[07:13] <Logite> You tell me :P
[07:13] <rogueChsbrgr__> just edit the default resolutions in there
[07:13] <TheLance> for example 1440x900
[07:13] <tritohc> TheLance: yes, 1600x1050
[07:13] <TheLance> sudo gedit directory of xorg.conf
[07:14] <TheLance> bam edit it
[07:14] <TheLance> save it
[07:14] <asc_> Hey y'all can AMD64 run 32 bit Ubuntu?
[07:14] <TheLance> and ctrl alt delete
[07:14] <tritohc> TheLance: done, done, done
[07:14] <orkid> asc_: yes
[07:14] <mneptok> asc_: yes.
[07:14] <Logite> You can, but i was wondering
[07:14] <asc_> thanks
[07:14] <Logite> If yo ucan run it under 64
[07:14] <dimeo> mneptok: nice people everywhere.... must be canadians
[07:14] <TheLance> or you can jsut do a sudo dpkg-reconfigre
[07:14] <mneptok> dimeo: + ,eh?
[07:14] <asc_> Logite: As I understand it, the difference between 32 and 64 bit ubuntu on a 64 bit processor is that 32-bit is a bit slower, but better supported and has more software.
[07:15] <n2diy> Canuks!?
[07:15] <Logite> Oh
[07:15] <Logite> asc_: well I guess i'll stick with the 32 bit then
[07:15] <kitche> asc_: yes sicne x86_64 is just x86 with 64bit extensions
[07:15] <macd> asc_, and you understand correctly ;)
[07:15] <mneptok> n2diy: i'm a Murkin living in Canuckia
[07:15] <asc_> ^^
[07:15] <dimeo> little mosque on the prairie!
[07:15] <orkid> i still have trouble getting in-browser video streaming to work in 32bit.
[07:15] <dimeo> takes a canuk to put that on the air
[07:16] <sess> crap, seems the edgy kernel on teh live cd won't boot on my laptop
[07:16] <tritohc> no one has a helpful link on the widescreen resolution front?
[07:16] <n2diy> mneptok: ? my sister lives in Halifax,NS, what do you folks call your dollar now?
[07:16] <dimeo> good show... gonna piss off rednecks across the globe
[07:16] <TheLance> tritohc
[07:16] <dimeo> =p
[07:16] <macd> tritohc, just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the resolution.
[07:16] <tritohc> i did that.
[07:16] <macd> and?
[07:16] <mneptok> tritohc: reconfiguring the xorg package doesn't pop tho cork?
[07:16] <tritohc> nothing.
[07:16] <sanddrag> so, does anyone know how long it takes to upgrade to 6.10 from 6.06?  Or, at what point roughly in the upgrade the ubuntu docs get upgraded (I saw it doing that).
[07:16] <TheLance> google "widescreen resolution" "ubuntu"
[07:17] <mneptok> *the
[07:17] <zeifer> Hopefully restart.
[07:17] <tritohc> TheLance: did that
[07:17] <Logite> asc_: So I'm at this list here: http://ftp.ucsb.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/edgy/
[07:17] <TheLance> you should get a nice tutatorial
[07:17] <zeifer> Restart X that is.
[07:17] <macd> tritohc, did you restart X after?
[07:17] <Vema> n2diy, Thanks gonna do the scan without my router plugged in too.
[07:17] <zeifer> Thank you for reiterating macd. ;)
[07:17] <macd> yeah, all good ;)
[07:17] <tritohc> how can i tell my current resolution
[07:17] <macd> sometimes Im watching another screen while Im typing
[07:18] <macd> tritohc, click on desktop resolution within the system menu.
[07:18] <zeifer> I know the feeling. I do that quite frequently myself.
[07:18] <dimeo> xkill... one of my favourite discoveries of the last 6 months
[07:18] <n2diy> Hmm, Vema is going to scan her ports with her router disconnected? Ok.
[07:18] <asc_> Logite: Okay, bit different than the page I was looking at.   I'm in staff meetings that go on and on.. .I start to daydream about xkill... that little skull and bones
[07:19] <dimeo> if only it was that easy
[07:19] <Logite> okay
[07:19] <TheLance> k
[07:19] <TheLance> how do i install ubuntu from a terminal?
[07:19] <Logite> asc_: i'm downloading it, once i'm done and mount it
[07:19] <TheLance> i just put in a live cd
[07:19] <Logite> asc_: what do i do from there?
[07:19] <TheLance> and found a hd
[07:19] <TheLance> i can install it on
[07:19] <seww> how do you minimize xchat to the panel?
[07:20] <zak__> sudo isn't doing anything [the command isn't executed, no error is given, it just does nothing]
[07:20] <Flannel> TheLance: er, what?  You cant.  LiveCD has to go through the installer on the desktop
[07:20] <zak__> any suggestions?
[07:20] <TheLance> yeah
[07:20] <TheLance> but it locked up on me
[07:20] <TheLance> the last time i tried it
[07:20] <dimeo> man.. this channel is like the worst ER episode ever
[07:20] <kitche> zak__: what command?
[07:20] <TheLance> edgy eft is kinda weird
[07:20] <macd> Quarupted, libgl1-mesa-dev
[07:20] <dimeo> they're just bleeding all over the place
[07:20] <TheLance> nothing like the old dapper install cd
[07:20] <asc_> Logite: Should be able to install on a drive with windows on it.
[07:20] <Flannel> TheLance: there's no other way on the liveCD.  You need the alternate CD to install without the GUI
[07:20] <TheLance> damn it
[07:20] <TheLance> more owrk for me
[07:21] <TheLance> and more waiting
[07:21] <zak__> kitche: anything - "sudo ls" doesn't even work, and i can't run gui root stuff, like when i run synaptic, it asks for the password, then does nothing
[07:21] <n2diy> Flannel: I think he is trying boot options?
[07:21] <orkid> what's on port 32768? it's listening and open
[07:21] <asc_> Logite: put it in the computer, boot it up, and when it brings up a menu, press enter and it'll start the install process.
[07:21] <seww> how do you minimize xchat to the panel?
[07:21] <TheLance> installing from GUI is the most horrible idead ever
[07:21] <po0f> TheLance: It has always worked for me.
[07:21] <TheLance> i
[07:21] <sess> orkid: ironic, thats the highest small int
[07:21] <kitche> zak_: are you putting in your user password? when it asks for a password?
[07:22] <TheLance> its just really laggy for me
[07:22] <pavs> how do I remove chroot. I configured it to install 32bit google earth. It didnt work so good now I want to get rid of it. how do i do it?
[07:22] <TheLance> and would lock up at times
[07:22] <TheLance> last time i tried ot install ubuntu
[07:22] <kitche> pavs: jsut type exit and it will exit chroot
[07:22] <TheLance> i had install dapper
[07:22] <kitche> pavs: chroot is part of Linux the command that is
[07:22] <po0f> sess: 65535, _unsigned_ short for port numbers.
[07:22] <TheLance> then upgraded to edgy
[07:22] <zak__> kitche: yeah... from the command line it doesn't even ask me... it'll print info when i give it no arguments, but other than that, nothing
[07:22] <Logite> asc_: It shouldn't be very hard for a windows user to do this right? I mean, I've reformatted plenty of times, built my own box, etc.
[07:22] <high-freq> macd: aiighty i'm back
[07:23] <TheLance> wait can i reinstall edgy from the recovery mode?
[07:23] <macd> high-freq, its still building, so I assume its not going ot fail here
[07:23] <orkid> sess: yes it is
[07:23] <zak__> kitche: and "sudo -u foo ls" picks up that foo isn't a real user
[07:23] <TheLance> i have a feeling that would not delete al lmy important files
[07:23] <dimeo> logite: youre gonna be a ubuntu hacker in no time
[07:23] <macd> however I am on ruby1.8
[07:23] <high-freq> hmm
[07:23] <sess> its was merely an observation po0f
[07:23] <TheLance> and install new system files
[07:23] <pavs> no I have chroot  as a folder right next to 'home' and 'media'
[07:23] <high-freq> macd: well inform me on what u did...cuz its not working for me...hehe
[07:23] <kitche> pavs: then just delete the folder
[07:23] <macd> I had to downgrade from 1.9 a while back to get rmagick to build
[07:23] <Flannel> zak__: `sudo -k` then try again.  That'll remove the cached password and prompt you again
[07:23] <orkid> so what is 32768, anyone know?
[07:23] <pavs> doesnt have a delet option when I right click it
[07:23] <Quarupted> macd, you sure?
[07:23] <asc_> Logite: It shouldn't be a problem, no.  As I recall, you can pretty much select the default options for everything.
[07:23] <Logite> dimeo: 1337 h4x or regular? ;)
[07:23] <macd> Quarupted, absolutly.
[07:24] <Commander-Crowe> How do I stop iptables? and then save it?
[07:24] <dimeo> orkid: mostly used by the CIA for homeland security
[07:24] <po0f> sess: Ok, I was just pointing out that ports are unsigned shorts, a negative port would be kinda weird.
[07:24] <zak__> Flannel: well, it asks for the password now, but still doesn't do anything
[07:24] <orkid> dimeo: uhuh
[07:24] <kitche> pavs: sudo rm -r chroot try that in a terminal
[07:24] <dimeo> logite: you've built your own box.. so you've earned the 3l33t3 campers badge
[07:25] <sess> po0f: very true, I was just passing the time till my servers edgy upgrade completed ;)
[07:25] <macd> uograde one and let the webcache handle the rest ;)
[07:25] <sess> but it looks like getting edgy on this laptop is gonna be hard.  Im hoping that was a bad image I burned, so Im now burning it to a dvd.
[07:25] <Logite> dimeo: Right oonnnn
[07:25] <zak__> "sudo -l" tells me i can't execute sudo :s
[07:25] <asc_> Logite: The only problem I had the first time was partitions, and the automatic option for those works just fine.  People do recommend making seperate partitions for a variety of things, but maybe trying that the first time around is tempting fate.
[07:25] <Commander-Crowe> anyone?
[07:26] <Quarupted> macd, well I installed it and the configure script still says I need OpenGL Library ?
[07:26] <high-freq> hmm i had 1.8 and 1.9 installed....so i'm takin out ruby 1.8
[07:26] <zak__> damnit, i think i know what the problem is... unfortunately i'll have to reboot and use knoppix or something to fix it :s
[07:26] <macd> Quarupted, you might need to specify to your configure script the absolute path ot the librarys.
[07:26] <macd> high-freq, no take out 1.9!
[07:26] <macd> 1.8 works
[07:26] <high-freq> 1.9
[07:26] <high-freq> oh ok
[07:27] <high-freq> i'll readd the 1.8 then ;)
[07:27] <dimeo> logite:  I've often done a fat32 partition for access from both windows and ubuntu... to store downloads and stuff..
[07:27] <Quarupted> macd, no I don't think so if the correct libs are there it will work that wasnt the right package
[07:27] <dimeo> cause the windows NTFS partition is read only from linux and from windows I think the ext3 is read only too
[07:27] <macd> Quarupted, if the configure script doesnt know where the lbis are (common for debian based distros to move stuff) you must specify them.
[07:28] <asc_> Logite: there's also a newish semi-stable thing that can use NTFS partitions as read-write
[07:28] <Quarupted> macd this is a smart script if the libs are there it will find them that was the wrong package
[07:28] <dimeo> hard drives are so huge these days.. 4 partitions is not a bad idea
[07:29] <macd> Quarupted, then use apt-cache search to find the package you think it is.
[07:29] <Quarupted> macd Ya I tried that over 400 results
[07:29] <xelados> I asked for help at #winehq and got redirected here.. when I try to compile wine, it gives me an error regarding OpenGL and Direct3D, saying it won't be compiled with either supported.
[07:29] <TheLance> guys whats the command to upgrade ot edgy?
[07:29] <xelados> Someone said I need the 32-bit OpenGL libraries.
[07:29] <TheLance> or install it from a terminal?
[07:29] <xelados> Where can I get'em?
[07:29] <mindstate> hey all, whats would be a better alternative to Azureus for bittorrent, it's a bit to bulky for my liking
[07:30] <Logite> So what do partitions for ubuntu mean?
[07:30] <Logite> I don't quite understand
[07:30] <macd> Quarupted, the only way that would not be the package is if you were using the binary ati/nvidia drivers.
[07:30] <xelados> mindstate: bittornado's pretty good
[07:30] <mindstate> xelados, does it support DHT?
[07:30] <dimeo> xelados: sounds to me like they're giving you the run around...
[07:30] <xelados> What's DHT?
[07:30] <pavs> sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap
[07:30] <pavs> what does it mean
[07:31] <ajax__> !xgl
[07:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:31] <Quarupted> macd, maybe because I am using a binary Nvidia driver?
[07:31] <xelados> dimeo: What am I supposed to do? Sift through synaptic?
[07:31] <ajax__> !beryl
[07:31] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:31] <high-freq> ok its installin the ruby1.8 packages that i selected
[07:32] <mindstate> xelados, distributed hash table gives you better chance of faster d/l speed
[07:32] <dimeo> xelados:  tried searching the ubuntuforums.org?
[07:32] <mindstate> xelados, but ill try bittornado
[07:32] <xelados> dimeo: Not yet
[07:32] <pavs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 I used this instruction and chroot is a folder and I cant even delete it
[07:32] <macd> Quarupted, then nvidia-glx-dev is what you want.
[07:32] <Logite> asc_: mind letting me in on what exactly partitions mean for linux?
[07:32] <elijah> hey how will i install an application in ubuntu???
[07:33] <dimeo> elijah: sudo apt-get install yourfavouriteprogramname
[07:33] <kamui> it WAS the edgy cd I burned!  Another damn coaster.  when I burned to a dvd, it worked perfectly
[07:33] <Flannel> elijah: Synaptic Package Manager
[07:33] <dimeo> what kinda program you want?
[07:33] <asc_> Logite: When you go to put files on the drive, you have to make a partition table.  This is the same in both windows and Linux.
[07:33] <dimeo> we got warez
[07:33] <elijah> whre's that
[07:33] <dimeo> tons o warez
[07:33] <dimeo> system
[07:34] <elijah> i'll try thanks
[07:34] <Flannel> elijah: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager, I believe.
[07:34] <Logite> asc_: files as in any file? like for instance a downloaded exe?
[07:34] <asc_> Logite: My perception is that you're thinking of 'partitions' as in extra drive letters on windows, created by splitting one drive into two sections?
[07:34] <dimeo> Any certain kind of software that you're wanting ?
[07:34] <Logite> asc_: dead on
[07:34] <asc_> Logite: correct.
[07:34] <asc_> Logite: If, on windows, you don't split your drive, you still have one partition - the C drive.
[07:35] <Logite> asc_: So when I install ubuntu do I only have one "C" drive like windows for instance?
[07:35] <elijah> dimeo, it's vlc
[07:35] <Logite> asc_: that i can download things to, etc.
[07:35] <pavs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 I used this instruction and chroot is a folder and I cant even delete it
[07:35] <asc_> Logite: If you select the automatic partitioning, yes, that's what will happen.
[07:35] <TheLance> well i just found out
[07:36] <xerophyte> does anybody know any good webbased music (songs) management software ?
[07:36] <TheLance> the hd i had lying around
[07:36] <high-freq> macd: ok this one now ;(  /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[07:36] <dimeo> asc_: I recall having the same confusion.. windows *seemed* easier cause it had c:/ drive and the disk was a:/
[07:36] <Logite> asc_: What are the other options? I'm probably not going to try it for the first run around, but how do they work
[07:36] <TheLance> no longer works
[07:36] <TheLance> so i'm screwed
[07:36] <asc_> Logite: It will actually make two partitions - the second one is for "swap", which is the same as a windows page file.  You don't need to worry about that one.
[07:36] <kamui> hey, ReiserFS or Ext3?
[07:36] <elijah> dimeo: i've opened the synaptic manager
[07:36] <elijah> then what's next?
[07:36] <macd> high-freq, prolly need to use ruby1.8
[07:36] <Logite> asc_: what is a windows page file?
[07:36] <macd> I assume you typed ruby instead of ruby1.8
[07:36] <asc_> Logite: It uses part of the disk as extra RAM.
[07:36] <high-freq> it went thru..installed the 1.8 again and reran the ruby1.8 setup.rb
[07:36] <asc_> Logite: virtual memory
[07:36] <Logite> asc_: ah, okay.
[07:36] <dimeo> elijah: search for vlc
[07:36] <high-freq> went thru fine...rdoc and ri was fine
[07:36] <macd> ohh, and it gave you that problem, ahhh
[07:37] <elijah> ok
[07:37] <macd> high-freq, let me think on that for a sec
[07:37] <high-freq> k
[07:37] <dimeo> or you can enter 'sudo apt-get install vlc" in the terminal
[07:37] <asc_> Logite: Explaining the other options requires some explanation of the linux file system, and I'm out of time.
[07:37] <Logite> asc_: Oh noes!
[07:37] <Logite> asc_: so, after i install linux, will i need any drivers or anything for my widescreen display, sound card, etc.?
[07:37] <Logite> asc_: And about programs, does it come with like a media player for mp3 playing, etc>?
[07:38] <dimeo> elijah: it will be added to your applications-->sound and video menu
[07:38] <asc_> Logite: The answer is 'maybe'.
[07:38] <Logite> asc_: Where do I acquire those if so
[07:38] <elijah> dimeo: but it cant find the vlc
[07:38] <seww> minimize xchat to tray, how?
[07:39] <FearMoth> Hi, I need to install grub to my mbr, so I can boot from a partition which has the contents of a linux install CD copied to it. do I need to make a /boot directory on that partition (/dev/hda2) ? what files will I need to create?
[07:39] <Flannel> !grub | FearMoth, first link
[07:39] <ubotu> FearMoth, first link: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:39] <dimeo> have you activated all repositories yet?
[07:39] <asc_> Logite: Erm, getting display-related things working can be a little difficult at times.  Where to get things depends greatly on your hardware, particularly your video card.  Ask people in here if your model works after I leave.
[07:40] <FearMoth> thanks Flannel
[07:40] <asc_> Logite: Well, everything works... some things are just difficult to get working.
[07:40] <Logite> well I have a 7800 gtx
[07:40] <Logite> i game, but i'm guessing with ubuntu you can't do much of that
[07:40] <asc_> Logite: NVidia's pretty well supported, and the release linux drivers
[07:40] <dimeo> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing.html#enabling_extra_repositories
[07:40] <asc_> Logite: I've got to run
[07:41] <dimeo> Logite: think of this as your new hobby for bit, when making the transition
[07:41] <Logite> dimeo: Yeah, i'm tired of windows. I can't even get past the booting sequence lately
[07:42] <Logite> dimeo: I really like gaming, but I can shove it off for now
[07:42] <macd> high-freq, is that error when you ran ruby1.8 setup.rb ? (as root or sudo)
[07:42] <dimeo> keep a dual boot
[07:42] <Logite> dimeo: Would rather have a working PC first
[07:42] <high-freq> macd: that is when i run  gem install postgres
[07:42] <Logite> dimeo: How hard would that be to get set up the first run?
[07:42] <macd> ahhh
[07:42] <high-freq> macd: ruby1.8 setup.rb  as sudo is fine...goes thru fine
[07:42] <dimeo> not too hard.. take that free space and make a second partition
[07:43] <Logite> dimeo: could you walk me through it once I start installing?
[07:43] <dimeo> put ubuntu on it.. GRUB ( the boot loader) that's installed should detect your two os that are installed
[07:43] <Logite> dimeo: i'm using the alternate installer this time around, and I have a 300 gb harddrive so I don't really need to worry about space
[07:43] <macd> high-freq, Im not sure if this will help or not but try gem install postgres --include-dependencies
[07:43] <dimeo> can't ... gotta go to be actually =(
[07:43] <high-freq> k
[07:43] <dimeo> catch zzzzz
[07:43] <Logite> dimeo: wait for a few min
[07:43] <Logite> dimeo: just a few questions first
[07:43] <dimeo> yup
[07:44] <dimeo> is all of that 300gb in a ntfs partition?
[07:44] <high-freq> macd: ya same...its like gem aint workin...
[07:44] <macd> k
[07:44] <Logite> Yeah...
[07:44] <macd> try this
[07:44] <Logite> Is that a prob
[07:44] <macd> gem install postgres  --ruby=/usr/bin/ruby1.8 --include-dependencies
[07:45] <Logite> With the regular boot the screen would just go blank after it showing ubuntu then the loading bar
[07:45] <dimeo> well first off... have you backed up your important data on the C drive?
[07:45] <dimeo> that's the first thing
[07:45] <Logite> I'm trying the alternate install after i'm done downloading
[07:45] <Logite> Yeah, already backed up on another drive
[07:45] <dimeo> good
[07:45] <high-freq> /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[07:45] <high-freq> same
[07:45] <metres> Hi all, im trying to have FB_VESA set as module... in my vanilla 2.6.19... I can only set it to Y or N ... but it is set as (M)odule in 2.6.17-10...
[07:45] <high-freq> i took out 1.9 and put back the 1.8
[07:46] <macd> high-freq, well Im out of ideas :( have you tried asking in #rubyonrails ?
[07:46] <Logite> So do I still only need to pop in the ubuntu disk while starting up to install it?
[07:46] <high-freq> nope..not yet
[07:46] <macd> Im i there too, so Im instrested in the fix.
[07:46] <dimeo> b4 you install with the alternate version. download the qtparted iso and burn that bootdisk.. you wont regret
[07:46] <Onburiiku> Biig question for y'all
[07:46] <dimeo> it's like partition magic on a bootdisk
[07:46] <Onburiiku> I finally got my LiveCD working
[07:47] <dimeo> bootcd
[07:47] <Onburiiku> but it's a dapper CD
[07:47] <Logite> eh
[07:47] <Logite> How would I go about doing that
[07:47] <Onburiiku> Should I download and burn Edgy or stick with my old-ish dapper CD?
[07:47] <Logite> Do i burn it to a seperate cd
[07:47] <PORDO> anyone know how to specify how jabbin plays sound?
[07:47] <Logite> Or the same cd the boot of ubuntu is on
[07:47] <Onburiiku> Basically Dapper or Edgy?
[07:47] <metres> Onburiiku : stick with dapper... feisty is coming in two month...
[07:48] <dimeo> that way you can graphically view and play with the sizing of your partitions if you like *before* making actual changes
[07:48] <Logite> so just burn the qtparted iso onto another cd?
[07:48] <Logite> also, where can i get qtparted
[07:49] <Logite> sourceforge?
[07:49] <frogzoo> Onburiiku: it will take maybe 4 hrs total installing edgy from scratch, gnome is much faster & suspend works, worth it imo
[07:49] <dimeo> yea... cost you a 50c for the blank and its a good tool to have on hand
[07:49] <elijah> *dimeo: i really cant figure it out
[07:49] <Onburiiku> So, frogzoo, You're saying go with Edgy?
[07:50] <Onburiiku> Metress: What does Feisty have to do with Edgy vs Dapper?
[07:50] <dimeo> sry my mistake gparted
[07:50] <FearMoth> Flannel: is there anything specific on that grub howto page that shows how to install grub to boot from /dev/hda2? I don't have any device.map file
[07:50] <Logite> gparted? lol
[07:50] <frogzoo> Onburiiku: except that feisty is out in 2 months - you're somewhat in the middle now
[07:50] <cafuego_> frogzoo: 4 hours?
[07:50] <Logite> where do i download it?
[07:50] <frogzoo> cafuego_: sure
[07:50] <Logite> nevermind D:
[07:50] <Logite> i get the livecd for that right?
[07:50] <dimeo> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[07:51] <cafuego_> frogzoo: seems a bit long
[07:51] <dimeo> check out the screenshots
[07:51] <TheLance> hhmm
[07:51] <frogzoo> cafuego_: there's all the customisation you have to put back in place, codecs etc. etc.
[07:51] <dimeo> you can quickly boot it take a peek at your HD partitions
[07:51] <TheLance> i got fsck to check my hd
[07:51] <nalioth> Logite: you can install gparted on an Ubuntu livecd
[07:51] <TheLance> i forced a check on it
[07:51] <dimeo> true
[07:51] <cafuego_> frogzoo: backup /etc and keep ~, tends to be fine.
[07:52] <dimeo> the gparted cd boot quick tho
[07:52] <Logite> Okay I am burning the iso for gparted to a cd
[07:52] <dimeo> Logite: how come ure using the alternate ubuntu iso ?
[07:53] <mabus> what's the package that contains all the fonts in ubuntu?
[07:53] <dimeo> the regular didn't boot for you?
[07:53] <Logite> no
[07:53] <Onburiiku> So I should install dapper? What happens when Feisty comes out?
[07:53] <dimeo> himm
[07:53] <Logite> after the loading screen where it says ubuntu over it
[07:53] <javelin9999> anyone know how to get rythmbox working right out of the box on edgy?
[07:53] <Logite> it just goes to a black screen with a blinking cursor
[07:53] <dimeo> you try the safe mode?
[07:54] <Logite> not a mouse cursor
[07:54] <Logite> what safe mode?
[07:54] <Logite> ohhh
[07:54] <Logite> the one under it?
[07:54] <Logite> yeah
[07:54] <TheLance> well feisty will have one great feature
[07:54] <TheLance> no more it has a thing called defenderx
[07:54] <TheLance> so that means if you mess up your xorg.conf
[07:54] <TheLance> that just recovers it
[07:54] <Vuen> ah yes, the bulletproofx
[07:55] <TheLance> yeah
[07:55] <TheLance> whatever its named
[07:55] <TheLance> its nice
[07:55] <macd> there is also a transfer wizard to bring your files and whatnot from a windows install into linux.
[07:55] <TheLance> sweet
[07:55] <Onburiiku> Howabout I re-word my question.
[07:55] <TheLance> cant wait for it
[07:55] <dimeo> theres some boot options
[07:55] <TheLance> edgy has been pissing me off
[07:55] <dimeo> you might wanna try
[07:55] <TheLance> edgy got annoying real quick
[07:55] <Logite> i already have the alt burned
[07:55] <Logite> but okay
[07:56] <TheLance> but i will admit
[07:56] <macd> Onburiiku, dapper = ultra tested + stable Edgy = cutting edge, and pretty decent
[07:56] <Logite> let me know and i'll try it
[07:56] <TheLance> it looks nice though
[07:56] <Vuen> edgy is not cutting edge enough for me
[07:56] <macd> I would recommend dapper to anyone.
[07:56] <Vuen> i'm very much considering switching to gentoo
[07:56] <Onburiiku> lol
[07:56] <macd> Vuen, have fin with a 2 day install process ;)
[07:56] <TheLance> dapper is the better one yes
[07:56] <Onburiiku> looks like the hosue is split between dapper and edgy >.>
[07:56] <TheLance> but edgy looks better
[07:56] <Onburiiku> somewhat
[07:56] <Vuen> macd: i don't mind
[07:57] <Vuen> my computer burns a lot of cpu hours as it is
[07:57] <macd> Vuen, if you want leading edge, go for feisty.
[07:57] <Vuen> i'm doing particle accelerator simulations for my honours project... i regularly leave my computer on crunching numbers overnight
[07:57] <TheLance> i might just upgrade to feisty tommorow
[07:57] <TheLance> i'll download it right now
[07:57] <TheLance> so i can install it in the morning
[07:57] <Vuen> TheLance: i'm waiting for the featurefreeze
[07:57] <Vuen> i'll upgrade to feisty on the 8t
[07:57] <Vuen> 8th*
[07:57] <TheLance> why is that?
[07:57] <macd> Vuen, that is going to be a while
[07:57] <Onburiiku> Feisty is out?
[07:57] <Onburiiku> Or is it beta
[07:58] <TheLance> i have this problem going on with edgy right now
[07:58] <TheLance> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2094774#post2094774
[07:58] <Vuen> because on the 8th, the featureset is frozen. things stop changing and they start getting fixed
[07:58] <TheLance> and i'm sick of trying to figure it out
[07:58] <macd> Its not even beta yet Onburiiku
[07:58] <TheLance> so i'm just gonna move to feisty
[07:58] <Onburiiku> wow
[07:58] <Vuen> i switched to edgy when the beta release candidate came out (bout a week before beta opened), and i had no problems whatsoever
[07:58] <Vuen> it was completely flawless
[07:58] <Onburiiku> Well, I'm already downloading edgy on windows (Running VMWare ATM)
[07:58] <Onburiiku> And I'm used to edgy from my VMWare Ubuntu
[07:59] <Onburiiku> So I'll go with that
[07:59] <TheLance> where do i download feisty fawn?
[07:59] <Logite> so what am i downloading gparted for again?
[07:59] <Logite> to partiton my drives?
[07:59] <Vuen> TheLance: if you don't know where to download it, don't download it.
[07:59] <mneptok> hehehe
[07:59] <TheLance> nvmind
[07:59] <dimeo> boot parameters 'noapic' and 'nolapic'
[07:59] <TheLance> found out
[07:59] <dimeo> noapm
[08:00] <Vuen> TheLance: dude
[08:00] <Vuen> don't do it
[08:00] <slap_me> if i wanna uninstall ubuntu, and grub...how do i wipe out those partitions?
[08:00] <Vuen> it's not even beta stage yet
[08:00] <TheLance> why?
[08:00] <Vuen> it's barely alpha
[08:00] <Vuen> it's a horrible mess right now
[08:00] <Vuen> things will break
[08:00] <dimeo> i can't find the webpage about it.. but they're boot options for the liveCD that help with such problems sometimes
[08:00] <TheLance> well not unless i can get that issue i have to be fix
[08:00] <TheLance> i don't know what to do
[08:00] <zak__> could someone give me the output of "groups" for a normal user after a fresh ubuntu install? i screwed up all my groups, and i'm not sure i've put myself back in them all :)
[08:00] <dimeo> the other thing to try
[08:00] <Logite> do i try those all at once
[08:00] <Vuen> TheLance: well, you could revert to dapper. dapper is LTS after all
[08:01] <dimeo> is if the screen disappears like it's changing resolutions on you and it stays blank.. press control alt +
[08:01] <foco> hi
[08:01] <TheLance> well i personally thing downgrading is stupid
[08:01] <Vuen> TheLance: edgy is only four months newer than dapper. there isn't a whole lot different.
[08:01] <dimeo> you can change resolutions.... cycle them through until one works
[08:01] <TheLance> pretty much
[08:01] <macd> Vuen, except for the MAJOR kernel differences.
[08:01] <Vuen> TheLance: downgrading is stupider than not being able to even reach a login screen?
[08:01] <TheLance> edgy jsut looks cooler
[08:01] <dimeo> Logite: I wish i could find the webpage that's about the boot codes for you
[08:01] <macd> dimeo, man grub.
[08:02] <TheLance> well my options are
[08:02] <TheLance> getting a new hd
[08:02] <Logite> it isn't like my screen res is changing
[08:02] <TheLance> and installing edgy on that
[08:02] <Vuen> macd: yes, different kernel, xorg 7.1... all changes that are pretty transparent to an ordinary end-user.
[08:02] <TheLance> so i can recover all my important files
[08:02] <Logite> it's like i'm getting put into a command prompt but only 1 blinking thing in the top left
[08:02] <TheLance> or option 2
[08:02] <TheLance> do a reformat
[08:02] <TheLance> and a clean install
[08:02] <TheLance> lose everything
[08:02] <macd> Vuen, that was the whole object in edgy, to ramp up for feisty drastic front end changes.
[08:03] <TheLance> feisty looks like edgy at this point
[08:03] <Quarupted> macd, good lookin man, that was it now do ya know the package for SDL Devel?
[08:03] <TheLance> and edgy looks wonderful
[08:03] <slap_me> since i have 3 partitons righ tnow...my windows...swap..and ubuntu
[08:03] <macd> not to mention ubuntu picked up the CFQ kernel scheduler in edgy.
[08:03] <slap_me> if i install vista on the windows partition
[08:03] <TheLance> well technically 2
[08:03] <slap_me> will ubuntu and swap still be there?
[08:03] <TheLance> swap is needed for ubuntu
[08:03] <Vuen> macd: yes, i know that. that's exactly my point. he doesn't NEED edgy, he won't even notice the difference. edgy exists so that us powerusers could test-drive the new kernel and xorg to get ready for feisty. thats why they didn't even make cds in shipit. it's hardly even a real release.
[08:03] <macd> Quarupted, I can look.
[08:03] <TheLance> you can't run ubuntu without swap
[08:03] <Vuen> TheLance: yes you can
[08:03] <macd> TheLance, yeah you can.
[08:04] <cinnix> fonts question - what directory shall they go in?
[08:04] <TheLance> yeah but it wil lock up alot
[08:04] <Quarupted> macd, and maybe you can teach me how you search for them, I typed SDL into apt-cache and synaptic way to many results
[08:04] <TheLance> without that virtual memory
[08:04] <macd> TheLance, no it wont.
[08:04] <macd> you need more RAM!
[08:04] <Vuen> TheLance: it pages to the root partition
[08:04] <TheLance> then whats the point of having it?
[08:04] <dimeo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335347
[08:04] <Vuen> TheLance: much faster
[08:04] <ziro01> I'll find out
[08:04] <TheLance> see
[08:04] <dimeo> take a look at this guys problem.. see if it sounds like yours
[08:05] <Vuen> TheLance: swapping to a partition means the operating system has a dedicated chunk of space where it can scribble anywhere it wants. it doesn't have to deal with the filesystem at all.
[08:05] <Logite> it's telling me to select my keyboard layot
[08:05] <Logite> layout*
[08:05] <Vuen> TheLance: much faster that way.
[08:05] <TheLance> yeah that part i know
[08:05] <dimeo> he gets a blank screen after booting the live cd
[08:05] <dimeo> adding acpi=off to the boot options available on the CD install (ie press F6) I managed to boot to a useable desktop
[08:05] <Vuen> TheLance: well you can do without if you want. you can just make a file on your ordinary partition and loopmount it as swap
[08:05] <macd> Quarupted, SDL there are alot of hits, what are you trying to install that reguires it?
[08:06] <frogzoo> TheLance: some people do run without swap, not really recommended though
[08:06] <Logite> what's the diff between a regular install and an alternate install again?
[08:06] <seravitae> is there a reason that the generic kernel should (three times now) randomly "half-freeze" up?
[08:06] <seravitae> my keyboard doesnt do anything
[08:06] <Quarupted> macd, Stepmania its a game for my kid, the binary doesnt work so I am building it
[08:06] <macd> ahh, ok
[08:06] <dimeo> oh. yer already on the alternate CD ... text interface
[08:06] <TheLance> yeah well it makes more sense to run it with swap
[08:06] <seravitae> my mouse cursor moves, the screen updates, but clicking doesn't do anything.
[08:06] <TheLance> otherwise it'll slow down like a windows box
[08:06] <macd> libsdl1.2-dev   try that
[08:06] <Quarupted> macd here is what it said SDL 1.2.6 or greater is required to build StepMania; please
[08:06] <Quarupted> *** make sure that it is installed to continue the build process.
[08:06] <TheLance> thats what i like about linux the most
[08:06] <TheLance> it doesn't slow down
[08:06] <Vuen> TheLance: *sigh* that's not what makes windows slow
[08:07] <TheLance> it remains slow
[08:07] <seravitae> i'm about ready to ditch ubuntu.
[08:07] <Vuen> swap space has pretty much nothing to do with it.
[08:07] <TheLance> well the stupid virtual memory system it has
[08:07] <Onli|DLing_Edgy> Seravite: Why so?
[08:07] <macd> Quarupted, libsdl1.2-dev  ;)
[08:07] <TheLance> not to mention a stupid registry system
[08:07] <Onli|DLing_Edgy> Oh wait nevermind
[08:07] <dimeo> seravitae: reboot?
[08:07] <macd> were pushing ofr a linux registry.
[08:07] <Onli|DLing_Edgy> I've been... not here for a bit xD
[08:07] <macd>  /etc is a f'ing mass.
[08:08] <Vuen> macd: really? i'd take /etc over a registry any day
[08:08] <macd> my company has been working on an XML based linux registry, a single file for all of /etc
[08:08] <TheLance> yeah i know
[08:08] <Vuen> macd: i love /etc
[08:08] <seravitae> dimeo: i don't *want* to reboot every hour?
[08:08] <macd> its so inefficient.
[08:08] <seravitae> especially when i'm halfway through working?
[08:08] <dimeo> macd  wow sounds cutting edge
[08:08] <TheLance> no its not
[08:08] <Vuen> macd: true, but it doesn't need to be efficient
[08:08] <spike723_> hey can I get a snapshot of current?
[08:08] <dimeo> seravitae: sorry to hear
[08:08] <seravitae> dimeo: not my fault. :)
[08:08] <Vuen> macd: there's no real reason to make it efficient. we don't need to read config files terribly often.
[08:09] <macd> for large scale deployments, and configurations to be pushed along with images, well I wont go into prorietary details, but its light years of /etc.
[08:09] <sissy4use> art
[08:09] <Quarupted> macd, your good, how did you figure that out?
[08:09] <seravitae> -386 kernel has no smps, -generic kernel has smps but crashes. if i compile my own i get kernel panics and crap, even if using the default config.
[08:09] <Logite> what program for ubuntu lets me use AIM?
[08:09] <TheLance> gaim
[08:09] <TheLance> it comes wiht ubuntu
[08:09] <Vuen> macd: besides, there are lots of ways it can be made more efficient, such as linearizing /etc on the harddrive so that they lie in the order they are read when they are booted
[08:09] <macd> Vuen, its nothing todo with day to day operation.
[08:09] <Logite> is there skype for linux?
[08:09] <Vuen> macd: ah
[08:09] <TheLance> yes
[08:09] <Vuen> Logite: yep, apt-get skype
[08:09] <ardchoille42> !skype
[08:09] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:09] <Quarupted> macd, lol no it says liblua
[08:09] <macd> its todo with portability among distros, and ease of consolidated configuration and deployment.
[08:10] <TheLance> i like ubuntu the way it is when it works
[08:10] <TheLance> when it doesn't work it makes things really hard to fix
[08:10] <TheLance> that annoys me
[08:10] <macd> Quarupted, liblua50-dev
[08:10] <Logite> cool
[08:10] <Vuen> macd: i see. i'm much less interested in corporate deployment :)
[08:10] <TheLance> and etc isn't that bad
[08:10] <TheLance> still better then windows anyday
[08:10] <macd> Vuen, yes, but linux evangilists are ;)
[08:10] <macd> spelling?
[08:10] <Vuen> :)
[08:10] <macd> heh
[08:11] <macd> it would be nice to have linux in everyones home, but we all know a FREE OS cant make money that way ;)
[08:11] <ardchoille42> Someone was asking about a GUI to automate multiple checksum tasks. Well, I created a nice bash script and that is as close to GUI as I am willing to go: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351499
[08:11] <Vuen> macd: the slashdot post on exchange compatibility today would lead me to believe otherwise
[08:11] <seravitae> is there like
[08:11] <macd> Vuen, that guy is a tool.
[08:11] <seravitae> some logger/debugging tool i can use
[08:11] <seravitae> through ssh or something
[08:12] <TheLance>       damn i can't even get apt-get to work as a command in a recovery mode
[08:12] <Vuen> macd: i know he is, but regardless, evolution does suck, as do most linux softwares that interface with exchange.
[08:12] <macd> we have been using exchange with evolution as an email client for years.
[08:12] <seravitae> so that next time my box crashes i can get an idea why, or see if i can remotely kill some apps to see what's causing it
[08:12] <macd> public folders are crazy.
[08:12] <Vuen> macd: yeah, but evolution kinda sucks
[08:12] <TheLance> so what good is recovery mode if any command i give it doesn't work?
[08:12] <TheLance> i tried aptitude
[08:12] <macd> theres always thunderbird.
[08:12] <TheLance> apt-get
[08:12] <TheLance> sudo
[08:12] <Vuen> macd: thunderbird doesn't have a calendar >.<
[08:12] <TheLance> gksudo
[08:13] <TheLance> well why do you need a calendar?
[08:13] <Vuen> ...
[08:13] <TheLance> you have one on gnome
[08:13] <macd> Vuen, who uses exchange shared calender anywho, peoplesoft FTW.
[08:13] <Vuen> ...
[08:13] <Quarupted> macd thx man, again
[08:13] <macd> Quarupted, just wait till its all doen to thank me ;P
[08:13] <Logite> i wonder if just buying a mac would be easier lol
[08:13] <Vuen> macd: that guy's company, that's who, and it's what has prevented him from switching to linux. that was my point all along
[08:13] <macd> Vuen, yeah alot of companies work harder than smarter ;)
[08:14] <xdude> how can I tell which version of ubunutu I am using? I pullout an old machine out of the dust
[08:14] <macd> Logite, go, go get a mac now!
[08:14] <Logite> lol
[08:14] <TheLance> xdude
[08:14] <macd> xdude, cat /etc/lsb-release
[08:14] <TheLance> go to about
[08:14] <Vuen> i know he was doing it backwards. he should have been migrating the servers away from exchange, and then switching the clients for linux later on
[08:14] <Logite> can i duelboot and use all the hardware i spent money on to play games on it?
[08:14] <Logite> didn't think so :<
[08:14] <Quarupted> macd, OGG Vorbis?
[08:14] <xdude> cat /etc/lsb-release
[08:14] <Logite> i want to see what the regular ubuntu installer looks like
[08:14] <macd> well, evolution works very well with exchange in the capacity we use it in, being a decent sized company as well.
[08:14] <TheLance> guys mind telling me what commands work for recovery mode?
[08:15] <Vuen> but most companies will not want to do that, even if it's the right direction to go.
[08:15] <Quarupted> macd configure: error: A working installation of Ogg Vorbis could not be found.  Vorbis
[08:15] <Quarupted> support is strongly recommended.
[08:15] <Logite> you pronounce ubuntu like (uboontoo) right?
[08:15] <TheLance> yes
[08:15] <macd> Quarupted, k
[08:15] <Vuen> Logite: you-boon-too
[08:15] <xdude> hmmm breezy
[08:15] <TheLance> its african for beautiful
[08:15] <dimeo> ?
[08:15] <macd> Quarupted, libogg-dev
[08:15] <Logite> and how do you pronounce linux
[08:15] <TheLance> well thats kinda outdated
[08:15] <dimeo> thought it was "sharing"
[08:15] <Logite> lie-nucks?
[08:15] <TheLance> linux
[08:15] <dimeo> rhymes with canucks
[08:15] <TheLance> lenex
[08:15] <Vuen> Logite: no, lih-nucks
[08:15] <Logite> ah, so i WAS right lol
[08:16] <macd> linus says lie-nux
[08:16] <Vuen> there's an audio file somewhere of torvalds saying it
[08:16] <dimeo> or lynn uks
[08:16] <TheLance> its linux
[08:16] <Vuen> macd: no he doesn't. he says lee-nux, and it's only because of his finnish accent
[08:16] <Logite> i think my ubuntu is installing by now
[08:16] <Vuen> it's lynn-uks
[08:16] <dimeo> or line ucks
[08:16] <Quarupted> macd, I installed that package but am getting the same error?
[08:16] <TheLance> linnucks
[08:16] <macd> in fact on Linus's site ha has a audio file of him saying it.
[08:16] <dimeo> I've heard both
[08:16] <Logite> the only diff thing about the alt installer is just that it's text base right? No loss in the actual os?
[08:16] <Vuen> lynn-uks
[08:16] <TheLance> whatever
[08:16] <xdude> no linus torvald doesnt like people to say lie - nux      he prefers lin like lint  nux
[08:16] <TheLance> o
[08:17] <dimeo> linus  plus ucks
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> Logite: Correct.  Actually, more options.
[08:17] <dimeo> line uks
[08:17] <TheLance> i'm donw with my computer
[08:17] <TheLance> i'm going to bed
[08:17] <Vuen> xdude: exactly. lynn-uks
[08:17] <TheLance> this issue is pissing me off
[08:17] <Logite> so it's lie-nucks then?
[08:17] <Quarupted> macd, is there maybe another package?
[08:17] <TheLance> i'm gonna go to bed before i start throwing shit out the window
[08:17] <xdude> cool Vuen has got it
[08:17] <TheLance> later
[08:17] <macd> Quarupted, libvorbis-dev
[08:17] <TheLance> all
[08:18] <dimeo> gnitealll must sleep here too.. it's been too much fun
[08:18] <Logite> don't gooo :O
[08:18] <Logite> lol
[08:18] <macd> http://www.jx90.com/download/torvalds-says-linux.mp3
[08:18] <xdude> nope lynn - uks
[08:18] <xdude> or you be insulting linus
[08:18] <Logite> well, hopefully the switch to ubuntu for me is a good one
[08:18] <Vuen> Logite: good luck :)
[08:19] <Quarupted> macd lol this is getting repetitive, I am sorry now it says: configure: error: A working installation of MAD could not be found, which is
[08:19] <Quarupted> required for MP3 support.
[08:19] <xdude> Hey I tried loading Suse 10.1 on this machine today,  it kinda pooped out.   so, back to ubuntu breezy
[08:19] <Quarupted> xdude, why Breezy?
[08:19] <macd> Quarupted,  libmad0-dev
[08:20] <Vuen> xdude: back to breezy? O.O
[08:20] <Vuen> xdude: isn't breezy almost at the end of its lifecycle?
[08:20] <xdude> I got the latest on my laptop and the other desktop,   Why?  just because I like to play around
[08:20] <xdude> Actually breezy runs great on this old machine
[08:20] <xdude> its an old asus p38-f...   500/750 mhz
[08:21] <Quarupted> macd, you are the man! the config script went all the way through, now I just do make and make install right?
[08:21] <macd> Quarupted, yeah, if that fails time to contact the developers of that software ;)
[08:21] <Vuen> Quarupted: make and sudo make install
[08:21] <xdude> but it be cooking with this breezy
[08:21] <drarem> how to do (un)tar something again
[08:21] <Logite> if i installed ubuntu on one pc
[08:21] <Logite> can i move it to a totally diff one and hook it up with no prob?
[08:21] <Quarupted> Vuen, man all that work and it broke in like 5 seconds after typing make :(
[08:21] <Vuen> xdude: mm. could always throw xubuntu dapper on there
[08:21] <Vuen> Quarupted: :(
[08:22] <macd> Quarupted, was there a debian package for it?
[08:22] <xdude> logite, sometimes it works,  you may have to change the xorg.conf settings
[08:22] <Logite> ehhh
[08:22] <Logite> what do i have to change about it
[08:22] <Quarupted> macd, I didnt find one in our repos, its called stepmania
[08:22] <Logite> and how hard would it be
[08:22] <kris_> how can i make my identd reply to the irc server instead of my router?
[08:22] <xdude> I got dapper on another drive.....
[08:23] <xdude> and the newest on another....   I just used a multiload kinda thing with the grub
[08:23] <xdude> This breezy is cooking I tell you
[08:23] <macd> Quarupted, try the linux binary now, I bet it works now that everything is installed for it ;)
[08:23] <macd> http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/stepmania/StepMania-3.9a-linux.tar.gz
[08:23] <Vuen> !stepmania
[08:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <Quarupted> macd, I tried and couldnt get it to untar right :( kept erroring :(
[08:24] <macd> ohh
[08:24] <xdude> heck I even got that windows thing on another drive.   oh sorry
[08:24] <macd> tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[08:24] <kiwinz_sucks> stepmania's easy
[08:24] <kiwinz_sucks> what do you need to know
[08:25] <rc-1> i want to cd into directroy FIGS (copy)/ but it says bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' and when i put a \ before it it doesnt helo
[08:25] <Quarupted> kiwinz_sucks, well the binary wouldnt untar in the archive manager so I have been trying to build from source just got configure to run, but the make broke :(
[08:25] <rc-1> help*
[08:25] <kiwinz_sucks> it wouldn't untar?  that makes no sense at all
[08:26] <kiwinz_sucks> did you try it from bash?
[08:26] <Vuen> well i'm off to be
[08:26] <Vuen> d
[08:26] <Vuen> night all
[08:27] <Kud|> Is there a way to debug window managers? I tried installing XGL and now I can't even boot using XGL or Gnome, I get this error saying it took more than 10 seconds to log in. I have to boot in Gnome failproof now
[08:27] <Vuen> by the way, i love this channel at like 2 am. it's so calm and relaxed. this place is a real sweatshop midday :)
[08:27] <macd> that it is
[08:27] <Onli|DLing_Edgy> Vuen, I agree
[08:27] <nysosym> hi all :D
[08:27] <Vuen> Kud|: what kind of video card do you have?
[08:27] <Kud|> ATI 9600xt
[08:28] <Kud|> Vuen, fglrx drivers are installed and working
[08:28] <Vuen> Kud|: mm. yeah, i don't know, sorry
[08:28] <Vuen> :(
[08:28] <Quarupted> macd, GOT IT!
[08:28] <Vuen> i can't stay awake any longer, i'm off to bed
[08:28] <Vuen> night
[08:29] <Onli|DLing_Edgy> I'm going to bed too
[08:30] <Onli|DLing_Edgy> Goodnight everyone! Tommorow I'll probly be on Edgy. ;)
[08:31] <macd> Quarupted, great!
[08:31] <AmbientMstr> I'm having a really annoying problem with my panel. It won't show the windows in it, so I have to use alt-tab to go through them.
[08:32] <macd> AmbientMstr, do you use beryl
[08:32] <wireles> so ..can you guys help me get my wireless connection going?
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> Macd: Yes
[08:33] <macd> AmbientMstr, the gnome workspace panel will not show anything in beryl ;)
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> But I don't get why it would do that. It was showing before.
[08:33] <SynthesiX> Hello, i've installed breezy from cd now, if i want to upgrade to edgy, do i have upgrade to dapper first, or can i go straight to edgy? because in the update-manager app there's only an option to upgrade to dapper.
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> It was showing in Beryl before
[08:33] <macd> it has never showed anything for me, I just use alt+tab
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> Hrm
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> Well, I had a hunch
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> But I just don't understand that
[08:33] <AmbientMstr> Still new to using Beryl
[08:34] <AmbientMstr> I mean, the positives definitely outweigh some negs. But oh well. Time for hw
[08:34] <mitrovarr> hi, I'm trying to set up a xdmcp client/server system.  Anyone know how to start a xdmcp session via xubuntu?  (it doesn't have the option like gdm and kdm do)
[08:34] <macd> SynthesiX, you can upgrade straight to edgy from console.
[08:35] <SynthesiX> would you be able to give me a small hint on how to do that please? (A)
[08:36] <macd> SynthesiX, type the following into a console: "sudo sed -e 's/breezy/edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:36] <macd> hows that for a hint.
[08:36] <lskd-255> macd, may I ask what is meant by "the gnome workspace panel will not show anything in beryl "
[08:36] <SynthesiX> lol thnx
[08:36] <Quarupted> macd, all that time and effort because i didnt try using tar when the archive manager didnt work
[08:37] <macd> lskd-255, Im not sure how else to explain it, the gnome workspace switcher that shows the apps within each workspace, doesnt show them in beryl.
[08:37] <macd> unless AmbientMstr meant the window selector applet?
[08:40] <Setomidor> Morning, I really need a hand here... somehow my installation has become a unhealthy mix between 64 bit and 32 bit versions
[08:40] <macd> you mean you installed 32bit libs ;P
[08:41] <Setomidor> I made a fresh install yesterday with a 32 bit version, but after running updates a lot of 64 bit stuff was installed (I think)
[08:41] <lskd-255> window selector applet is a different 'window list'
[08:41] <macd> thats impossible.
[08:41] <inflex> when booting from the ubuntu CD, how can I restrict the X display size/refresh option?
[08:41] <Setomidor> macd: well I've got the linux-generic headers
[08:41] <Setomidor> Doesn't that suggest that the 64 bit version is beeing used?
[08:42] <macd> Setomidor, thats fine, linux-generic is the new kernel in edgy <
[08:42] <macd> 32bit here.
[08:42] <JAnYou> [Help] Hi, I want to copy all my emails in Evolution Mail InBox to my usb disk, but where can I find the actuall location of the Evolution Mail Inbox? Where does Evolution Mail Inbox store all these emails in hardisk?
[08:42] <Setomidor> macd: I got the famous edgy-eclipse bug, which only seems to hit 64 bit systems
[08:43] <macd> yeah thats why you just install eclipse from eclipse.org rather than apt-get ;)
[08:43] <lskd-255> setomidor, have you built a chroot32 'environment' on that computer?
[08:43] <inflex> is there a page somewhere listing all the Ubuntu boot/CD "magic codes" ?
[08:43] <Setomidor> lskd-255: I haven't done that explicitly, because I have no idea what you are refering to :)
[08:44] <guregu> Would anybody have a minute to help me with upgrading from breezy badger to edgy eft?  Please.
[08:44] <macd> Setomidor, if you installed 32bit linux, your not going to magically get 64bit.
[08:44] <lskd-255> !chroot
[08:44] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[08:44] <Setomidor> <- total linux retard
[08:44] <macd> guregu, type the following into a console: "sudo sed -e 's/breezy/edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:44] <Setomidor> Thanks guys, I'll take a look
[08:45] <guregu> Thank you, macd....trying
[08:45] <lskd-255> it's suppose to help with certain criteria
[08:45] <macd> SeanTater, you dont have 64bit linux, chrooting 32bit wont get you anything.
[08:45] <macd> err Setomidor you have 32bit installed chrooting a 32bit env wont help you.
[08:46] <lskd-255> I thought Setomidor said he was on a 64bit system
[08:46] <guregu> thanks, macd...that worked
[08:46] <Setomidor> I'm on 64 bit processors, but 32 bit system
[08:46] <Setomidor> I hope
[08:46] <macd> Setomidor, does uname -a say you have x86_64 or x86.
[08:47] <Setomidor> Linux laptop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:47] <macd> Setomidor, you have 32bit.
[08:47] <finlaylabs> does ubuntu have a convenient secure overwriting/wiping tool to ensure a hard-drives content is unrecoverable before i hand it back to hardware vendor? Ive reformatted as a new ext3 partition but im sure  that didnt really wipe everything.
[08:47] <mitrovarr> does anyone know what the fastest remote desktop type system is?  The server is reasonably fast but the client is dog slow.
[08:48] <inflex> NX ?
[08:48] <macd> mitrovarr, x11 forwarding is the most effiecient.
[08:48] <inflex> X directly, as apposed to via SSH
[08:48] <macd> either way is fine, over internet though you better be using SSH.
[08:48] <Setomidor> I spent all day yesterday trying to sort a wierd java bug: I run the same code (through mount) on this computer and from a 6.06 system right beside me, this one gets an error reading a .so file, but the other doesn't
[08:48] <mitrovarr> macd:  ah, that's what I'm trying now
[08:48] <guregu> macd: would I need to reboot when finished?  I am back to the prompt
[08:48] <Setomidor> And it has worked before
[08:48] <mitrovarr> macd:  I thought it would load the client the least but I wanted to make sure.  It's just local, basically a system to make a uselessly slow laptop into a useful terminal.
[08:49] <macd> guregu, if your back to a prompt that didnt work.
[08:49] <macd> did you issue the entire command?
[08:50] <guregu> macd: ok...I should have added earlier that I am doing this within vmware on a windows xp host system.  I am testing ubuntu out on my laptop before making this switch.  Could it be that I am trying to upgrade from within vmware?  Sorry to drag this on
[08:50] <hj> i can't use my cdma_card to internet
[08:50] <macd> guregu, nahh
[08:51] <macd> did you get any output?
[08:51] <macd> can you paste console output into a pastie
[08:51] <guregu> sure
[08:52] <guregu> macd: in the channel or a pvt msg?
[08:52] <finlaylabs> does ubuntu have a convenient secure overwriting/wiping tool to ensure a hard-drives content is unrecoverable before i hand it back to hardware vendor? Ive reformatted as a new ext3 partition but im sure  that didnt really wipe everything.
[08:52] <macd> in  http://pastie.caboo.se
[08:52] <macd> finlaylabs, the only way to ensure that is to physically destroy it.
[08:53] <guregu> macd: http://pastie.caboo.se/37404
[08:53] <finlaylabs> macd: hmmm well cant do that. There is a way to write over the whole disk with random data though right? Do u know how? That would be sufficient.
[08:53] <hj> who can help me?
[08:53] <ardchoille42> finlaylabs, You can look into using wipe, but I'm not sure what it does exactly.
[08:53] <ardchoille42> !wipe
[08:53] <ubotu> wipe: Secure file deletion. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.20-2 (edgy), package size 34 kB, installed size 120 kB
[08:54] <macd> finlaylabs, you can mount the drive and write zeros to is using "dd"
[08:54] <ardchoille42> macd, I think that's what wipe does
[08:54] <mitrovarr> Ok, a final question.  Is there any way to make a grub entry that connects directly to a remote x client instead of doing local stuff?
[08:54] <Quarupted> macd how can I search an entire mounted partition for a ISO file?
[08:54] <macd> guregu, ok, let me help you out a lil ;P
[08:55] <finlaylabs> macd: dd huh? will look into it. ardchoille42: I did look at wipe, I think you need a specific file you are deleting to do that - i need to wipe blank space.
[08:55] <macd> guregu, are you familiar with how to edit a file in a console?
[08:55] <ardchoille42> finlaylabs, Ah, ok.
[08:56] <guregu> macd: a bit
[08:56] <macd> Quarupted, find /partition *iso
[08:56] <andyshack> evening folks. i am having trouble with 5.10 with samba, ssh and vnc. the system has been running fine for a year the only change ive made is install firestarter (does it run on reboot automatically ? im under the impression that it doesnt, if so that could explain the problem) i can ping the server from anywhere, its happily browing the web etc, although i can no longer connect via ssh, samba or vnc. could someone point me in the righ
[08:56] <macd> guregu, ok, then type this "sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list" and delete the contents, then put this in there: http://pastie.caboo.se/37405
[08:56] <danf_1979> Hi guys, someone with blackbox here? How can I change resolution?
[08:57] <macd> then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:57] <kraut> moin
[08:59] <holycow> andyshack, sounds like you blocked all ports
[08:59] <andyshack> yeah, seems that way :)
[09:00] <frogzoo> andyshack: you need to enable the input connections on the relevant ports
[09:00] <andyshack> how can i check to see if firestarter is running as a background process ? ps -afs  or something along those lines .. ?
[09:00] <macd> ps ax | grep firestarter
[09:00] <frogzoo> andyshack: firestarter is a front end only to iptables - try 'sudo iptables -L -v' to see your ruleset
[09:01] <holycow> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/410981/blondie_unlocks_car/  <-- offtopic but seriously cool
[09:01] <holycow> you can unlock cars with tennis balls, wow
[09:01] <andyshack> yeah thats a way old one holycow.
[09:01] <holycow> andyshack, ah, well i'm slow
[09:01] <holycow> :)
[09:01] <andyshack> i dont think its worked for like 10 years
[09:01] <Quarupted> macd, hey you know how sometimes big files are compressed into lots of smaller like part.r01 and part.r02 ..etc? how can I decompress them into one file?
[09:01] <holycow> andyshack, the thing about firestarter is that it doesn't actually do anything
[09:01] <holycow> your firewall is built into th ekernel its called iptables
[09:01] <andyshack> ah ok its just a gui for the iptables as someone commented ?
[09:01] <macd> Quarupted, you just untar the one names .rar
[09:01] <holycow> firestarter is just a frontend
[09:02] <holycow> right
[09:02] <andyshack> cool, ill just boot it up and use it to set everything then.
[09:02] <Quarupted> macd I don't understand what you mean?
[09:02] <holycow> so when you removed it the iptables rules are left behind (i think i haven't used it in ages)
[09:02] <frogzoo> can you use ubuntu to crack car security ?
[09:02] <macd> just untar the one names part.rar
[09:02] <VxJasonxV> GimmeTOKYO, you going to ask your question or what? :P
[09:02] <macd> and you will have a large file made up off all the parts.
[09:02] <GimmeTOKYO> Jason :|
[09:02] <holycow> frogzoo, well you can throw ubuntu cds at the windshield
[09:02] <holycow> so technically yes
[09:03] <holycow> andyshack, that only works on old cars i guess?
[09:03] <Quarupted> macd, oh there is on part.rar how do I do it in a command line?
[09:03] <VxJasonxV> should I ask it for you?
[09:03] <GimmeTOKYO> Would someone be able to help me with an error I reached while trying to install ubuntu/kubuntu from knoppix?
[09:03] <macd> tar xvf part.rar
[09:03] <VxJasonxV> don't ask to ask
[09:03] <VxJasonxV> just ask
[09:03] <VxJasonxV> p.s. hi Adlai. Funny meeting you here.
[09:03] <holycow> tokyo, just ask
[09:03] <cute_bettong> which drive is hda?
[09:03] <VxJasonxV> holycow, GIM<tab>
[09:03] <VxJasonxV> tab completion is your friend
[09:03] <holycow> cute_bettong, the first hd on your ide ribbong on ide1
[09:04] <Adlai> oh, hi jason
[09:04] <GimmeTOKYO> Hi Adlai
[09:04] <andyshack> most old chevs can also be opened with an .au 5c piece (a penny) i used this frequently with my old torana years back.
[09:04] <holycow> VxJasonxV, wtf are you talking about? go away
[09:04] <frogzoo> cute_bettong: hda is primary on 1st ide chain
[09:04] <guregu> macd: I have edited out that stuff and added in the lines you sent...not sure how to save this though....I still have it open
[09:04] <VxJasonxV> holycow, I'm talking about nickname autocompletion
[09:04] <holycow> andyshack, no kidding
[09:04] <holycow> :)
[09:04] <VxJasonxV> it makes it insanely easier to reference someone by nick
[09:04] <macd> guregu, crtl X then enter to save
[09:04] <Adlai> whoa
[09:04] <Adlai> it's like a sows party
[09:04] <VxJasonxV> three's company? :P
[09:04] <andyshack> will my samba config contain the ports it wants ?
[09:05] <Quarupted> macd :( tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[09:05] <holycow> thank you captain obvious
[09:05] <GimmeTOKYO> I tried to run dpkg-reconfigure console-data in the "set up base system" part of the FAQ on the site, but I get a "console-data is not installed" mesage
[09:05] <Adlai> I suppose
[09:05] <macd> Quarupted, yeah you might have to use unrar
[09:05] <VxJasonxV> GimmeTOKYO is talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix <-- this guide, by the way
[09:05] <Quarupted> macd do you know the command for that?
[09:05] <macd> unrar ;)
[09:05] <VxJasonxV> he can't install Ubuntu directly because the Xserver fails to start
[09:05] <guregu> macd: got it...shall I run what you gave originally again?
[09:05] <Quarupted> macd no options?
[09:05] <Quarupted> macd just unrar part.rar ?
[09:05] <macd> guregu, just run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:05] <macd> Quarupted, yessir
[09:05] <mneptok> GimmeTOKYO: use the alternate CD
[09:06] <unimatrix9> do developers of ubuntu also visit this irc channel?
[09:06] <GimmeTOKYO> :'|
[09:06] <cute_bettong> can someone tell me what this error means in dmesg
[09:06] <cute_bettong> http://pastebin.com/873405
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> well,
[09:06] <macd> unimatrix9, more like watch and snicker ;P
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> you do have your HD mounted, and can actually download a full iso now
[09:06] <mneptok> heh
[09:06] <unimatrix9> hehe
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> and it just might be easier :P
[09:06] <GimmeTOKYO> Jason, yeah but i can't get the damn livecd to pop out :|
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> erm
[09:06] <unimatrix9> well please make an package for cinerella for next release!
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> you boot into the alt. cd
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> oh
[09:06] <lskd-255> unimatrix9, they may be the ones lurking, 'bwahahahahhaa' (don't look at me though)
[09:06] <VxJasonxV> never mind
[09:07] <unimatrix9> well please make an package for cinerella for next release!
[09:07] <VxJasonxV> that's right, the /other/ problem
[09:07] <mneptok> GimmeTOKYO: so burn it from Windows or another macihne.
[09:07] <VxJasonxV> mneptok, about that... what 'another' machine?
[09:07] <macd> cute_bettong, Id say your harddrive is bad, or the controller is going bad.
[09:07] <holycow> unimatrix9, they have ubuntu packages already out there
[09:07] <cute_bettong> brand new mainbord
[09:07] <GimmeTOKYO> mneptok, my windows install is currently unable to access the internet to where I can DL and get the proper tools for burning a cd
[09:07] <holycow> but they are pointless
[09:07] <cute_bettong> brand new hd
[09:07] <holycow> i can't figure the damned thing out
[09:07] <macd> cute_bettong, that doesnt mean a thing.
[09:07] <cute_bettong> could this create some odd behaviors in linux?
[09:08] <cute_bettong> darn....could it be a bios issue?
[09:08] <macd> cute_bettong, I doubt it.
[09:08] <Quarupted> macd, I dun think I am doing it right, it just prints the help file when I do unrar part.rar
[09:08] <unimatrix9> holycow, where can i find the cinerella package? with dependecies solved...
[09:08] <cute_bettong> darn.
[09:08] <VxJasonxV> cute_bettong, have you run fsck against the drive?
[09:08] <cute_bettong> no how do i do that?
[09:08] <VxJasonxV> sounds like either a bad controller or a bad hd right out of the gate
[09:08] <mneptok> GimmeTOKYO: that's why you get the ext3 driver for Widows, put it on rewovable media, install it' and then access the ext3 partitions from Windows ;)
[09:08] <andyshack> services are now all up!!! GREAT PARTY THANKS!
[09:08] <andyshack> good luck with your tennis ball ;)
[09:08] <macd> Quarupted, unrar e part.rar
[09:08] <macd> sorry, my mistake
[09:08] <holycow> unimatrix9, no such thing, its a bunch of packages that haveto be installed in order.  google it tho i can't remember
[09:09] <holycow> mostly because cinelerra is hard to use.
[09:09] <cute_bettong> how do i run fsck? is there a command that i use?
[09:09] <frogzoo> cute_bettong: what's your problem?
[09:09] <Quarupted> macd it says extracting each one then gets to the end and says no files to extract :(  and nothing changed in the dir
[09:09] <Bug2000> Q: How can I change the whole GUI to Hebrew from English? I failed to find the option :\
[09:09] <VxJasonxV> fsck is the command
[09:09] <cute_bettong> well my computer has been acting weard
[09:09] <VxJasonxV> but you can't run it while things are accessing the hard drive
[09:09] <unimatrix9> is there an alternative to crop mpeg video's?
[09:09] <macd> Quarupted, Im not really sure what to tell you without having my hands on it tbh.
[09:09] <frogzoo> cute_bettong: 'wierd' ? = ?
[09:09] <macd> it should "just work" ya know
[09:09] <cute_bettong> the mainbord and hd are new....though the hard drive is a replacement
[09:09] <VxJasonxV> frogzoo, go check out http://pastebin.com/873405
[09:09] <Quarupted> macd, so what do I do then?
[09:10] <Quarupted> macd, you wanna ssh in lol?
[09:10] <mneptok> Bug2000: System -> Admin -> Language Support
[09:10] <cute_bettong> yea sound issues and weard crashes and freezes and such just started happning on the western digital hard drive i have
[09:10] <cute_bettong> this would be the second one that has done this
[09:10] <macd> let me see if I have one of those multipart rars here and try it local
[09:10] <Quarupted> macd thx
[09:10] <holycow> unimatrix9, not sure actually ... have you looked at kino?
[09:10] <macd> I usualy use the ark (gui for all those)
[09:10] <Bug2000> mneptok, Can't. It doesn't let me since apt-get is running :P
[09:10] <frogzoo> cute_bettong: you should 'less /var/log/messages' & look for wierdness, especially scsi timeouts
[09:11] <unimatrix9> yes i tried it, but does no cropping
[09:11] <Quarupted> macd, so should I try that?
[09:11] <macd> yeah, try that first
[09:11] <mneptok> Bug2000: so go get some Runts(tm) or something ;)
[09:11] <unimatrix9> same for avidemux, no cropping
[09:11] <frogzoo> VxJasonxV: cute_bettong oh the log looks nasty
[09:11] <holycow> unimatrix9, this isn't an answer but there is an editing suite for $$ available for linux
[09:11] <holycow> like $100 or so forget the name
[09:11] <holycow> its supposed to be pretty good
[09:11] <unimatrix9> yeah i know, mainactor!
[09:11] <unimatrix9> hehe
[09:11] <Quarupted> macd hrm I dun think I have anything called ark, I tried the "archive manager" GUI one and it doesnt recognize it
[09:12] <unimatrix9> hard dollars eh?
[09:12] <holycow> that yeah ... i don't think ther eis much beyond that
[09:12] <macd> Quarupted, apt-get install ark ?
[09:12] <VxJasonxV> unimatrix9, mplayer? mencode?
[09:12] <Bug2000> mneptok, Whats Runts(tm) ?
[09:12] <VxJasonxV> mplayer can do just about everything...
[09:12] <holycow> unimatrix9, i think your right cinelerra is your only option
[09:12] <mneptok> Bug2000: "candy"
[09:12] <GimmeTOKYO> mneptok, you said just use the alternate cd?
[09:12] <cafuego_> the trick is to install `unrar'.
[09:12] <Quarupted> macd, lol okay just makin sure it wasnt the same thing
[09:12] <Bug2000> mneptok, No. It's bad for the theeth.
[09:12] <unimatrix9> mplayer and mencode do a lot of things, and i do use them, but cropping is not one of the options, that i know off
[09:12] <mneptok> GimmeTOKYO: the alternate CD will not use X during installation
[09:12] <finlaylabs> anyone know how to securely overwrite blank space?
[09:12] <frogzoo> cute_bettong: check your cables first - have you made any hardware changes recently?
[09:12] <holycow> unimatrix9, if you really need a crop, just figure out what order to install the debs ... the binaries are googleable someone maintains them out there
[09:12] <macd> cafuego, he already has unrar installed.
[09:13] <VxJasonxV> unimatrix9, you sure about that?
[09:13] <cafuego_> macd: Can he unpack the files via the cmdline?
[09:13] <unimatrix9> ok, thanxs, the other alternative is to ask an friend with more video edeting software ( windows eh...:( ...)
[09:13] <Quarupted> macd I think its workin
[09:13] <macd> cafuego_: sure but why when you can guify your life.
[09:14] <holycow> unimatrix9, i'm not sure how cropping would be usefull from the command line either
[09:14] <cafuego_> macd: To debug
[09:14] <macd> cafuego, if the gui doesnt work, then thats the nbext option right, logical .....
[09:14] <VxJasonxV> unimatrix9, mencoder (MPlayer's Movie Encoder) is a simple movie encoder, designed to encode MPlayer-playable formats [...]   Furthermore it has stream copying abilities, a powerful  filter  system  (crop,  expand, flip, postprocess, rotate, scale, noise, RGB/YUV conversion) and more.
[09:14] <cafuego_> macd: Depending on the unrar version, it might not be able to deal withc ertaina rchives.
[09:14] <cafuego_> note unrar-nonfree/unrar/unrar-free
[09:14] <macd> cafuego_: lets not talk hypothetical until it doesnt work.
[09:15] <cute_bettong> no i haven't though i will shut down in a few minutes just going through the logs now
[09:15] <cafuego_> macd: Well, it *didn't* work
[09:15] <macd> cafuego_, b/c I didnt give the correct command line syntax ;)

[09:16] <Quarupted> macd did you get my msg??
[09:16] <finlaylabs> anyone know how to securely overwrite blank space?
[09:16] <macd> get mine Quarupted
[09:16] <unimatrix9> hmm, i think we need an perfect gui frontend for mencoder, that works with cropping, scaling , the works...:)
[09:16] <macd> unimatrix9, they have one, I think
[09:17] <VxJasonxV> unimatrix9, http://rafb.net/p/lSzZgX20.html
[09:17] <VxJasonxV> mplayer / mencoder can do it
[09:17] <VxJasonxV> it's insanely powerful, and awesome
[09:17] <VxJasonxV> doesn't take too long to piuck up either
[09:17] <VxJasonxV> besides
[09:18] <VxJasonxV> you lose all sorts of scriptability with a gui
[09:18] <cute_bettong>  EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem.
[09:18] <unimatrix9> thanx i will look into that...here is an other tip http://f0rked.com/projects/simplerip
[09:18] <cute_bettong> whats that mean?
[09:18] <holycow> cropping from the command line is like getting a blind dude to do colour correction
[09:18] <unimatrix9> but thats more command line...
[09:18] <holycow> for some things you need a gui
[09:18] <frogzoo> cute_bettong: I'd say the drive is cactus if there's not a cable/power problem
[09:18] <cute_bettong> :(
[09:18] <Logit1> Hey guys
[09:19] <Logit1> I got ubuntu working! woohoo!
[09:19] <KingAztech|BUSY> aha congrats
[09:19] <KingAztech|BUSY> how many goes did it take?
[09:19] <holycow> Logit1, coolness
[09:19] <KingAztech|BUSY> go's*
[09:19] <Logit1> I'm LOVING it so far
[09:19] <Logit1> Swapped from xp today
[09:19] <KingAztech|BUSY> welcome to our world Logit1
[09:19] <holycow> neato
[09:19] <holycow> if you have any questions ask
[09:19] <enix> if the bios is set to check cd-rom first thing than a livecd should boot befor grub right
[09:19] <Logit1> I game a lot, so I'll prolly need another partition, w/e though
[09:20] <Logit1> Yeah, I do have a few questions :)
[09:20] <unimatrix9> by the way, a really good example, and working program to rip / and make dvd, vcd svcd is devede
[09:20] <frogzoo> enix: absolutely
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> okay
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> so
[09:20] <holycow> Logit1, you will windows for most of the games you play probably
[09:20] <holycow> no shame in that
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> is it easy toinstall ubuntu on macbookpro's yet?
[09:20] <unimatrix9> http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[09:20] <Logit1> Where do I get the nvidia drivers?
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> last time i checked it was still prohibitively complicatred
[09:20] <holycow> Logit1, from repositories
[09:20] <holycow> !nvidia
[09:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:20] <enix> damn, does that mean that the live cd doesnt work, i dent even see anything about it checking cdrom befor grub comes up
[09:20] <KingAztech|BUSY> most games are starting to work on lunix, just a matter of time ^_^ i use my lil bro comp when it gets with games.
[09:21] <holycow> its getting better
[09:21] <macd> linux is luniy ;P
[09:21] <holycow> but most devs depend in windows toolkit things like directx
[09:21] <holycow> it will be a while before we see an active market for linux games
[09:21] <shadeofgrey> and theres no arguement against it..  the 8800 nvidia cards certifiably kick serious ass
[09:21] <Uo> Hey ,
[09:21] <shadeofgrey> directx 10 is off the fucking chain
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> !ohmy | shadeofgrey
[09:22] <ubotu> shadeofgrey: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:22] <GreyGhost> !gparted
[09:22] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:22] <Uo> Who could help me ?
[09:22] <VxJasonxV> don't ask to ask
[09:22] <VxJasonxV> just ask
[09:22] <shadeofgrey> Uo:  nobiody if you donty say what you need help with dude
[09:22] <spacenerve> is there a back-ported 2.6.19+ kernel package available for dapper/edgy ?
[09:22] <GreyGhost> can gparted "safely" move NTFS partitions?
[09:22] <VxJasonxV> hello shadeofgrey
[09:23] <shadeofgrey> Vx:  sup dude?
[09:23] <shadeofgrey> VxJasonxV, havent been here in ages
[09:23] <shadeofgrey> imn really depressded man. i just got real comgfortable with my     macbnookpro and i may have to sell out and go back to an alienware system
[09:23] <shadeofgrey> im losing my 4 good typingh fingers to arthritis
[09:24] <VxJasonxV> (hint: go to #wordpress as it's more offtopic friendly)
[09:24] <VxJasonxV> that and it's a blogging channel. this channel doesn't wanna hear your emo XD
[09:24] <holycow> shadeofgrey, why?
[09:24] <Logit1> That link confuses me :<
[09:24] <shadeofgrey> and running dragon naturally speaking pro in virtual machine mode on mac is prohinitively expensive.. its not doable with less than 6 gigs of ram
[09:24] <Uo>
[09:24] <holycow> you haveto give up your mac an dyour here?
[09:24] <holycow> i don't get it
[09:24] <Logit1> can anyone explain this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:25] <Uo>
[09:25] <GreyGhost> anytone? on Gparted and moving NFS?
[09:25] <GreyGhost> *NTFS
[09:25] <finlaylabs> anyone know how to securely overwrite blank space?
[09:25] <Logit1> In the package manager, select the Settings menu, then Repositories.
[09:25] <shadeofgrey> well
[09:25] <Logit1> I did that...
[09:25] <nicholaspaul> What would be a great 'lite' audio player, one that wont hog resources but work great in XFCE?
[09:25] <shadeofgrey> if i go back to pc it means ill be able to dualboot ubuntiu again
[09:25] <shadeofgrey> i really miss that
[09:25] <unimatrix9> GreyGhost, you will have to try, but should alway's backup first!
[09:26] <nicholaspaul> shadeofgrey: you mean you can't dual boot on your mac?
[09:26] <GreyGhost> unimatrix9 ,thats the problem .. i don't know where to backup 0GBs worth of data :(
[09:26] <Uo> In this days , I found Battery monitor error .
[09:26] <Logit1> Can someone explain how to get my nvidia drivers working please :<
[09:27] <shadeofgrey> nicholaspaul, i havent tried because the procedure is so much more complicated then on PC
[09:27] <unimatrix9> GreyGhost, and you should use the gparted live cd...
[09:27] <GreyGhost> unimatrix9: ,ok
[09:27] <unimatrix9> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:27] <lskd-255> finlaylabs, are you still here?
[09:27] <jalkmar> what is the kernel version in latest ubuntu?
[09:28] <Logit1> Could someone PLEASE explain how to install nvidia drivers
[09:28] <nicholaspaul> shadeofgrey: nah, i wouldnt say so. My G4 PB loves running OSX and Edgy :)
[09:28] <GreyGhost> unimatrix9 ,thansk
[09:28] <VxJasonxV> Logit1, read the link
[09:28] <shadeofgrey> im on a macbookpro
[09:28] <Logit1> Vx: I did
[09:28] <VxJasonxV> ok?
[09:28] <Logit1> It's confusing though
[09:28] <VxJasonxV> ask SPECIFIC questions
[09:28] <Logit1> I tried, nobody heard me out
[09:28] <hj> is anybody who can help me?
[09:28] <Uo> System warning "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running." If add "battery charger monitor to panel "
[09:28] <Logit1> I'll address you specifically :P
[09:29] <finlaylabs> lskd-255 : yes, still here
[09:29] <lskd-255> logit, go to project-beryl.org and get their nvidia script to load drivers and app
[09:29] <nicholaspaul> shadeofgrey: does that make it more painful then?
[09:29] <holycow> lskd-255, eeep! noooo!
[09:29] <holycow> dude don't do that
[09:29] <holycow> lol
[09:29] <unimatrix9> GreyGhost, if you can use third party software...
[09:29] <holycow> just install them from the repo
[09:29] <holycow> its just one file
[09:29] <shadeofgrey> nicholaspaul, as far as i can tell... YES
[09:29] <bluefox83> what runs gnome-vfs-daemon and do i need it?
[09:29] <holycow> nvidia-glx
[09:30] <lskd-255> finlaylabs, check this out........... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/data_security_for_linux_power/   it's go a link at he bottom of the page '945.tar.gz'
[09:30] <Logit1> project beryl is down
[09:30] <holycow> thats what  you want, install that, it should config yoru xorg.conf file and you logout and log back in
[09:30] <nicholaspaul> shadeofgrey:  oh ok. :) hey, now I know!
[09:30] <jalkmar> anyone here knows what kernel is used by dapper?
[09:30] <shadeofgrey> well
[09:30] <holycow> Logit1, don't do what he told you, bad advice
[09:30] <shadeofgrey> wait a minuter
[09:30] <finlaylabs> lskd-255 : will do. thx.
[09:30] <Logit1> Do what who told me?
[09:30] <shadeofgrey> dont assume its hard for EVERYBODY with macbookpro's
[09:30] <GreyGhost>  unimatrix9 ,yes?
[09:30] <Iulian> jalkmar: uname -r and you'll see.
[09:30] <Logit1> holycow: how should I install drivers for my nvidia based graphics card?