[02:31] <mup> Bug #1910163 opened: Switch to live docs button links to the root docs page <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910163>
[07:53] <mup> Bug #1910201 opened: bcache: overflow in stripe number calculations for devices with small io_opt  <ps5> <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910201>
[08:05] <mup> Bug #1910201 changed: bcache: overflow in stripe number calculations for devices with small io_opt  <ps5> <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910201>
[08:08] <mup> Bug #1910201 opened: bcache: overflow in stripe number calculations for devices with small io_opt  <ps5> <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910201>


[15:24] <bdmurray> cjwatson: the reporter of bug 770041 replied are you still looking for someone to test it?
[15:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 770041 in debian-installer "natty server installation hang" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770041
[20:01] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I've been away all day, let me catch up
[20:11] <cjwatson> bdmurray: followed up
[20:19] <bdmurray> cjwatson: there was some discussion about it in #ubuntu-testing and jibel asked about set -ex and they said they were sure they set it
[20:20] <cjwatson> bdmurray: comment 10 - it might actually need to be set in the previous script
[20:20] <cjwatson> bdmurray: looks like I may have missed the user in question now, though?
[20:21] <bdmurray> cjwatson: ah yes it looks like they left #u-t
[20:22] <cjwatson> I sort of have half a suspicion, but it's not strong enough to make a late upload on the strength of my guesswork, and I don't yet understand why it wouldn't be consistently reproducible
[20:22] <bdmurray> from what I understand I don't think may people would run into it
[20:23] <cjwatson> I don't feel I have enough information to make a judgement on that, not knowing what causes it, TBH
[20:24] <cjwatson> I know it doesn't come up in trivial install-then-install-again cases, but for all I know there's some really common configuration that triggers it
[20:28] <cjwatson> I wonder if the fact that an LV snapshot is present might be relevant
[20:29] <cjwatson> but I won't be able to run a test until tomorrow morning, when I'm in London
[20:29] <bdmurray> cjwatson: how would you go about setting up the test?  I could give it a try.
[20:35] <cjwatson> I guess do an install, create a snapshot, try an install on top; TBH I don't actually use LVM snapshots myself but I think the command is lvcreate -s
[20:35] <cjwatson> (with a bunch of options, see its man page)
[20:37] <cjwatson> I don't see an obvious reason in the kernel why the bit I'm thinking of would fail for LVM snapshots, though


[00:05] <jelmer> mwhudson: we need a better story for dealing with batched imports
[00:05] <jelmer> mwhudson: bzrlib should just have a base class that takes care of regular repacking, etc
[00:10] <mwhudson> jelmer: please put your thoughts on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/559678 :)
[00:10] <mup> Bug #559678: incremental import does full repack 3 times <code-import> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/559678>
[00:14] <thumper> the import is going well though...
[00:19] <jelmer> mw	will do
[00:23] <jelmer> mwhudson: iwll do
[00:27] <jelmer> argh, lagggisch \
[00:28] <jelmer> thumper: it's still a lot slower than a local import
[00:28] <jelmer> thumper: that should be fixed once we start caching Tree objects
[00:49] <thumper> when will we start caching Tree objects?
[00:51] <mwhudson> the currently running import is way slower
[00:51] <mwhudson> i think strawberry is a vm slice though, so that might be a factor
[00:54] <jelmer> thumper: when jam finishes his pack collection refactoring
[01:41] <dhastha> Need help: An error occurred during a connection to translations.launchpad.dev.
[01:42] <dhastha> SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
[01:42] <dhastha> (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
[01:44] <rockstar> dhastha, are you using trunk?
[01:54] <dhastha_> rockstar, yes i asked trunk. I restarted apached. now its working
[02:53] <lifeless> mwhudson: jelmer: repacking should already be incremental only
[02:53] <lifeless> jelmer: you're probably overriding / changing something.
[02:53] <lifeless> fetch knows how to incrementally repack imported packs only.
[02:54] <jelmer> lifeless: I'm doing manual commit_write_group calls every 1k revisions
[02:54] <jelmer> lifeless: I'd like that logic to be in bzrlib rather than the individual plugins
[02:54] <lifeless> jelmer: where the code is is orthogonal to whatever bug you have
[02:55] <lifeless> why is it doing a full pack 3 times?
[02:55] <jelmer> lifeless: I don't know why it's doing 3 repacks, I just see repacks regularly during imports
[02:56] <lifeless> it should incrementally pack, not full repack
[02:56] <jelmer> lifeless: I don't know if it does a full or incremental repack
[02:56] <jelmer> it doesn't seem like a full repack to me, but it might be different for mwhudson
[02:56] <lifeless> unless either a) you call pack(), or b) you insert a fetch stream with a differing serialiser (and that would be incremental using the pack hint)
[02:59] <jelmer> lifeless: basically I'm gathering the pack hints for all write groups I commit (every 1000 revisions) and then specify that list of pack hints to target.pack()
[03:00]  * jelmer clarifies his comment
[03:09] <lifeless> jelmer: after 10 write groups, bzr will autopack anyway.
[03:10] <lifeless> jelmer: I think you should be less agressive about triggering a manual pack
[03:10] <lifeless> the only things you will get major benefit from packing are those things that have never been packed.
[03:10] <jelmer> lifeless: I'm only triggering a pack after all revisions have been fetched and I specify the gathered pack hints
[03:11] <lifeless> jelmer: yes, I get that. its still more agressive that needed, I suspect
[03:12] <jelmer> lifeless: The fact that after 10 write groups bzr autopacks anyway is one of the reasons why I'd like to see a helper in bzrlib that can take care of determining how often to create write groups
[03:12] <jelmer> lifeless: rather than optimizing the fetchers in bzr-git/bzr-svn and bzr-hg independently
[03:12] <lifeless> jelmer: I'm not arguing for or against code placement.
[03:12] <jelmer> lifeless: I realize that
[03:12] <lifeless> jelmer: its a distraction in this discussion
[03:12] <jelmer> I guess my comment probably isn't very relevant for this bug
[03:12] <lifeless> which is, after all, on the weekend.
[03:13] <lifeless> I suspect we need to change the pack hint definition slightly so you can tell if its the pack you added, or a packed version of same/similar.
[03:14] <lifeless> if you wanted to do that, I don't think there are backwards compat implications, as its currently defined as an opaque hint
[03:18] <jelmer> I might have a look at that at some point
[03:19] <lifeless> so what I'm suggesting is
[03:19] <lifeless> you do something like (if not hint.was_repack: hints.add(hint)
[03:19] <lifeless> rather than your current simple 'add the hints together'
[03:21] <jelmer> thanks
[03:21] <jelmer> My brain clearly has stopped working so I'm getting some sleep, way too late here
[03:22] <jelmer> gnight
[03:22] <lifeless> gnight
[18:50] <jml> sidnei, I've just submitted two really simple patches to zope-dev. Could I tempt you into landing them & maybe even releasing the respective components?
[22:23] <sidnei> jml, appended to my todo. :)


[09:44] <hans_> strange, i have "https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu bionic InRelease" but it doesn't want to install https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-amd64/wine-stable-amd64_5.0.0~bionic_amd64.deb
[09:50] <hans_> oh that explains it i guess, http://paste.debian.net/plain/1134260
[22:41] <JackFrost> hans__: Yes I noticed this a while ago, I ended up backporting a couple packages just so the package in their repo would install. :/
[22:41] <hans__> ick
[22:41] <JackFrost> I'd be a bit cranky and say they should use dose3 to check installability, but eh.
[22:42] <JackFrost> The extras I have in my repo: libsdl2_2.0.10+dfsg1-1ubuntu1.dsc, faudio_19.07-1.dsc


[01:18] <FFighter> n2diy_, Are you there ?
[01:19] <n2diy_> FFighter: yep
[01:19] <FFighter> Do you know any other pastebin web app I could use ?
[01:19] <n2diy_> FFighter: no I don't, lets take a chance and try it here?
[01:19] <FFighter> hmmm
[01:20] <FFighter> all right
[01:20] <FFighter> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:6E:CE:ED:C2
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:302 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           TX packets:78 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX bytes:60050 (58.6 KiB)  TX bytes:11472 (11.2 KiB)
[01:20] <FFighter>           Interrupt:18
[01:20] <FFighter> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:54:13:3B:20
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
[01:20] <FFighter>           Interrupt:17 Base address:0x8000
[01:20] <FFighter> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:38243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           TX packets:38243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX bytes:2125453 (2.0 MiB)  TX bytes:2125453 (2.0 MiB)
[01:20] <FFighter> nas0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:D0:2E:B9:A2
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet6 addr: fe80::290:d0ff:fe2e:b9a2/64 Scope:Link
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:195455 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:21] <FFighter>           TX packets:168225 errors:321 dropped:0 overruns:321 carrier:0
[01:21] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[01:21] <FFighter>           RX bytes:236630891 (225.6 MiB)  TX bytes:24129742 (23.0 MiB)
[01:21] <FFighter> ppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
[01:21] <FFighter>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  P-t-P:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:21] <FFighter>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:1
[01:21] <FFighter>           RX packets:658 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:21] <FFighter>           TX packets:59 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carr
[01:21] <FFighter> hmm.. a part is missing
[01:21] <FFighter> just a min, I've found another pastebin-like website
[01:22] <n2diy_> FFighter: we don't need it now! :)
[01:22] <FFighter> http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2371
[01:23] <FFighter> anyway, I pasted it there... there's also ppp1 besides ppp0
[01:23] <FFighter> that was the part missing
[01:23] <FFighter> ;)
[01:24] <nalioth> whoa.
[01:24] <n2diy_> FFighter: are you a fire fighter?
[01:25] <FFighter> n2diy_, No, FireFox Fighter
[01:25] <FFighter> =)
[01:25] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, what is nas0?
[01:25] <FFighter> n2diy_, good question, I think it is a network bridge
[01:25] <FFighter> my modem demands this kind of connection
[01:26] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, so how many ethernet cards are installed on your box?
[01:27] <FFighter> it was created by a dial script I created... I followed this tutorial: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/
[01:27] <FFighter> n2diy_, Two
[01:28] <FFighter> n2diy_, I'm using eth0 to connect to the XP machine
[01:29] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, are you Squirreli in the forum post?
[01:29] <FFighter> n2diy_, No, I'm not in that post
[01:29] <FFighter> I use the same nickname on ubuntu forums (FFighter)
[01:30] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, let me look at the Speedtouch link.
[01:30] <FFighter> the url I sent you ?
[01:31] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes
[01:31] <FFighter> ok
[01:32] <n2diy_> FFighter: one thing I see is eth1 doesn't have an ip address assigned to it.
[01:33] <n2diy_> FFighter:  and what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[01:33] <FFighter> n2diy_, Actually the IP I set the IP on eth0 using ifconfig eth0 <ip>
[01:33] <FFighter> n2diy_, Feisty
[01:33] <n2diy_> FFighter: what is eth1 connected to?
[01:33] <FFighter> n2diy_, nothing
[01:33] <FFighter> only eth0 is being used
[01:34] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, can you ping eth0?
[01:34] <FFighter> locally ?
[01:34] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes
[01:34] <FFighter> yes
[01:34] <FFighter> I can ping
[01:34] <n2diy_> FFighter: can you ping the XP box?
[01:35] <FFighter> well, the XP box is set up with a static IP -> <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS> submask)
[01:35] <FFighter> I can't ping there
[01:35] <FFighter> "Host Unreachable"
[01:35] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, so try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:36] <n2diy_> 16/168
[01:36] <FFighter> I did
[01:36] <n2diy_> FFighter: no errors?
[01:36] <FFighter> It doesn't reach there
[01:36] <FFighter> root@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:36] <FFighter> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:36] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachabl
[01:36] <n2diy_> FFighter: pinging the XP box fails, ok.
[01:38] <n2diy_> FFighter: I hope you know how to play in XP?
[01:38] <FFighter> n2diy_, Yes, of course, always used windows before
[01:39] <n2diy_> FFighter: Ok, I've been Microsoft free since 95. Can the XP box ping its ethernet card?
[01:39] <FFighter> Actually, just making Ubuntu and XP ping themselves would be a great step
[01:39] <FFighter> =)
[01:39] <n2diy_> FFighter: Yep, that is the first step in troubleshooting a network.
[01:39] <FFighter> No, it can't... just tried it... even though XP says that the connection is up and that packets are being sent
[01:40] <FFighter> weird. It says "Local connection is connected 100Mbps"
[01:41] <FFighter> but I can't reach here
[01:41] <n2diy_> FFighter: I love Windows! :) What happens when you pull the ethernet cable off the XP box, does it realize it lost the connection?
[01:41] <FFighter> I will try it
[01:41] <FFighter> just a min
[01:42] <FFighter> surprisingly it does detect - "A network cable has been disconected"
[01:43] <FFighter> so does ubuntu
[01:43] <n2diy_> FFighter: Can the XP box ping itself with the cable disconnected?
[01:44] <FFighter> Ubuntu just said popped up the following message "You are now connected to the wired netword"
[01:44] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, try my previous.
[01:45] <FFighter> no! The output of ipconfig says that the "media is disconnected"
[01:45] <n2diy_> FFighter: What!!!??? Ubuntu thinks it is connected, after the connection was broken, weird. Anyway, XP needs to be able to ping itself.
[01:46] <FFighter> Wait.. I had plugged the wire again just before
[01:46] <FFighter> that's why ubuntu said it was connected
[01:46] <n2diy_> FFighter: So XP can't ping its own ethernet card?
[01:46] <FFighter> I unplugged it again now to test the XP ping thing
[01:46] <n2diy_> FFighter: Ok, I thought I was going nuts.
[01:47] <FFighter> Well... I can ping localhost, but not the IP I had set up (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[01:47] <n2diy_> FFighter: XP has a lo?
[01:47] <FFighter> yep, it does
[01:48] <FFighter> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:48] <n2diy_> FFighter: Interesting. Sounds like the XP card is configured.
[01:48] <n2diy_> is/isn't
[01:48] <FFighter> is or ins't ?
[01:48] <FFighter> isn't*
[01:49] <n2diy_> FFighter: Isn't configured
[01:49] <FFighter> oh ok
[01:49] <FFighter> hmmm... so you think the problem is at the XP side
[01:50] <FFighter> what could I do then ?
[01:50] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes I do.
[01:51] <n2diy_> FFighter: Oh what is it called device manager? Does that show anything about the ethernet card?
[01:51] <FFighter> on windows ?
[01:51] <FFighter> Would you like to see the hardware specs of the card ?
[01:51] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes.
[01:52] <FFighter> I will take a look, hold on
[01:52] <n2diy_> FFighter: no, the specs. won't help us.
[01:53] <FFighter> RealTek RTL8139 - it says the device is installed and working correctly
[01:54] <n2diy> FFighter:  :/
[01:54] <FFighter> Could it be something related to iptables not allowing the connections ?
[01:55] <FFighter> I'm lost becouse I don't really understand networking nor how Linux handles all that
[01:55] <n2diy> FFighter: But when you go to a command prompt, and enter ping <IP_ADDRESS> it fails?
[01:55] <FFighter> yes it does
[01:55] <FFighter> But only when the wire is disconnected
[01:55] <FFighter> I mean
[01:55] <FFighter> it also fails when the wire is connected, but it is a different "error"
[01:56] <FFighter> when the wire is connected, it says that the host is unreachable
[01:56] <n2diy> FFighter:  what's it say when it is disconnected?
[01:57] <FFighter> when the write is disconnected, it says also says host unreachable, but ipconfig shows a "disconnected media" message
[01:57] <FFighter> When I connect it again, both machine detect that the there is a network
[01:58] <FFighter> That's why I thought that it could be something related to firewalling (maybe a miss-configured iptables)?
[01:58] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, have double check this, when at the XP box, you can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:59] <FFighter> I'm sorry, when I told you that I couldn't ping <IP_ADDRESS> when the wire was up, I was wrong...
[01:59] <FFighter> I actually can ping <IP_ADDRESS> when the wire is connected **only**
[02:00] <FFighter> <IP_ADDRESS> being the static IP set on the XP network settings for the local connection
[02:00] <n2diy> FFighter:  When at the XP box?
[02:00] <FFighter> yes
[02:00] <FFighter> only when at the XP box... I tried also pinging here (<IP_ADDRESS>) from there, but couldn't
[02:00] <FFighter> pinging 192.168.0,3 from here also doesn't work
[02:00] <FFighter> "Host unreachable"
[02:01] <n2diy> FFighter:  And the XP and Ubuntu boxes are connected directly together when the network is in normal operation?
[02:02] <FFighter> There's no LAN... I have only internet access here on my ubuntu box.. the LAN doesn't work
[02:02] <FFighter> even though both computers say that there's a connection... but I can't reach each other
[02:03] <FFighter> Here's something interesting:
[02:03] <n2diy> FFighter:  That doesn't answer my question. :) How are the two boxes connected together?
[02:03] <FFighter> Oh sorry
[02:03] <FFighter> n2diy, wired ethernet (directly)
[02:03] <FFighter> no hubs, no routers
[02:04] <FFighter> The Active Connection Dialog says that eth0 is connected, the speed is 100 Mb/s and driver is "forcedeth" but all IPs (from IP address to Secondary DNS) show <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:04] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, the Realtec 8139 is an older ethernet card(I'm using one), and I believe, you need a crossover cable to do a direct connect to it.
[02:05] <FFighter> hmmm... but why did it work fine when I had XP here (both LAN and Internet Connection Sharing)
[02:06] <n2diy> FFighter:  This network worked, when your Ubuntu box was an XP box!?
[02:06] <FFighter> n2diy, Yes!
[02:06] <FFighter> And it was pretty straightforward to set up
[02:07] <FFighter> I just made the switch to ubuntu (last week)
[02:07] <n2diy> FFighter:  Eye yigh yigh!
[02:07] <FFighter> what does that mean? :) (sorry but english is not my mother tongue!)
[02:07] <n2diy> FFighter:  ok, do you have Firestarter installed?
[02:07] <FFighter> No, it isn't installed
[02:08] <FFighter> I have only installed the tools in the forum post I mentioned
[02:08] <n2diy> FFighter:  ok, you might want to install it, it is a GUI front end for iptables.
[02:08] <FFighter> like guidedog ?
[02:09] <n2diy> FFighter:  not familiar with guidedog.
[02:09] <FFighter> all right, will install firestarter
[02:10] <FFighter> ok, I'm running it now
[02:11] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, see the policy tab, click on that, then click in the allow connections box.
[02:11] <FFighter> Should I check "Start the firewall on dial-out" ?
[02:12] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ignore that for now.
[02:12] <FFighter> hMM... I liked the "Enable Internet connecton sharing" option :D
[02:12] <FFighter> I ticked it, ok ?
[02:12] <FFighter> Should I enable DHCP for the local network ?
[02:13] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, see the policy tab, click on that, then click in the allow connections box. Have you done this?
[02:13] <FFighter> hmmm...
[02:14] <FFighter> If I try to select eth0 for the connection sharing it displays an error message:  The local area and the internet connected devices cannot be the same
[02:14] <FFighter> I guess that ppp0 is linked to eth0 through nas0 then
[02:14] <FFighter> I should use eth1 I think
[02:14] <FFighter> What do you think ?
[02:14] <n2diy> FFighter: Don't go herding cats on me. Eth1 isn't connected to anything!! Click on the policy tab!!!!
[02:15] <FFighter> n2diy, I know! But maybe I should be connecting through eth1 then
[02:15] <FFighter> ok, I will select eth1 for connection sharing (I can't choose eth0 anyway)
[02:15] <n2diy> FFighter:  Click on the policy tab.
[02:16] <FFighter> ok, I'm there
[02:16] <n2diy> FFighter:  Click in the allow connections box, and inter the XP box's ip address.
[02:17] <FFighter> just a note: It failed to start the firewall... it said eth0 "is not ready"
[02:17] <n2diy> inter/enter
[02:17] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, wait.
[02:18] <n2diy> FFighter:  can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:19] <FFighter> hmmm... I can't now
[02:19] <n2diy> FFighter:  WTF? :) ok, enter ifup eth0
[02:20] <FFighter> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[02:20] <n2diy> FFighter:  WTF? :) ok, enter ifdown eth0?
[02:20] <FFighter> actually it has lost its configurations when the network went down
[02:21] <FFighter> I set up the <IP_ADDRESS> IP for eth0 through ifconfig
[02:21] <FFighter> when the network went down and up again, it has loaded its default settings I think
[02:21] <FFighter> I don't know how to make these settings permanent yet
[02:21] <n2diy> FFighter:  ok, reconfigure it.
[02:21] <FFighter> Allright
[02:22] <FFighter> ok, pinging
[02:23] <FFighter> n2diy, Now the firewall says it is active
[02:23] <n2diy> FFighter:  you can ping 0.2 and 0.3?
[02:23] <FFighter> oops... no longer
[02:23] <FFighter> how weird
[02:23] <n2diy> FFighter: now what happened?
[02:24] <FFighter> I don't know.. I will restart the network, just a min
[02:27] <n2diy> I have to go check my weather radar, so when you responded, make sure you use my nick so I'm alerted to it.
[02:28] <n2diy> FFighter: I have to go check my weather radar, so when you responded, make sure you use my nick so I'm alerted to it.
[02:30] <FFighter> ok, restarted and the firewall is up again
[02:30] <FFighter> I had to manually select ppp0 as the "Internet connection network device"
[02:30] <FFighter> I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:30] <FFighter> root@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:30] <FFighter> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:30] <FFighter> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[02:30] <FFighter> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[02:30] <FFighter> what does that mean ?
[02:31] <FFighter> n2diy, Are you still here ?
[02:31] <FFighter> n2diy, Are you still here ?
[02:31] <n2diy> FFighter: yep
[02:31] <FFighter> n2diy, It somehow affected my internet connection, I disabled the firewall
[02:32] <n2diy> FFighter: ppp0 is your dial up connection, eth0 is your ethernet connection.
[02:32] <FFighter> I guess so
[02:33] <FFighter> But nas0 is still a mystery
[02:33] <FFighter> Maybe it is a bridge between ppp0 and eth0 ?
[02:33] <n2diy> FFighter: so eth0 should be selected as your network device.
[02:34] <FFighter> in firestarter ? Ok, I did it
[02:34] <FFighter> and ppp0 for internet
[02:34] <FFighter> when I start the firewall, the internet conn. seems to go down
[02:34] <FFighter> Is there some policy I should create to allow the internet connection to function properly ?
[02:35] <n2diy> FFighter: your herding cats again, we can't troubleshoot your lan, and internet connection at the same time, and hope to remain sane.
[02:35] <FFighter> ok ok ... sorry
[02:36] <FFighter> its just that I'm trying to solve since last week... sorry for that
[02:36] <n2diy> FFighter: and obviously ppp0 is working, or we wouldn't be talking to each other, right?
[02:36] <FFighter> yes, now that firestarter is off
[02:36] <FFighter> =)
[02:36] <n2diy> FFighter: firestarter is off, or the fire wall is off?
[02:37] <FFighter> I meant the firewall...
[02:38] <n2diy> FFighter: ok, did you allow 0.03 to connect in firestarter? Did it stick?
[02:39] <FFighter> What do you mean by "stick" ?
[02:39] <FFighter> if I was able to ping here from XP ?
[02:39] <n2diy> FFighter: It didn't change. Can you ping the other way?
[02:40] <FFighter> When I try to ping 192.168.0,3, it actually tries to ping <IP_ADDRESS>... why does it routes <IP_ADDRESS> to 0.1 ?
[02:40] <FFighter> root@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:40] <FFighter> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:40] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[02:40] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
[02:40] <FFighter> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
[02:42] <n2diy> FFighter: 0.01 is the bridge! Why are you using a bridge? Is it a physical device, or software?
[02:42] <FFighter> software
[02:42] <FFighter> The dial script I use creates it
[02:42] <FFighter> (nas0)
[02:42] <FFighter> as I was told to do by the tutorial I sent you
[02:42] <n2diy> FFighter: why do you need a dial script?
[02:43] <FFighter> http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[02:43] <n2diy> FFighter: wait, I'm loading it.
[02:43] <FFighter> It's the bootscript ...
[02:45] <FFighter> I think I need this script becouse my modem is so damn bad that it doesn't even have internal permanent memory, so I need to upload the firmware and dial through a script everytime I want to connect
[02:46] <FFighter> it doesn't have "a life of its own"
[02:48] <n2diy> FFighter: Ok, what if we enable connections from .0.01 in firestarter? I'll admit I'm guessing at this point.
[02:50] <FFighter> inbound conn. ?
[02:50] <FFighter> inbound conn. ?
[02:50] <n2diy> FFighter: I guess?
[02:50] <n2diy> FFighter: any other options?
[02:51] <FFighter> n2diy, it is still blocking my internet connection when I enable the firewall
[02:51] <FFighter> there's outbound connections
[02:52] <FFighter> but outbound is set to permissive ... I guess that means there's a "blacklist"
[02:52] <n2diy> ok, what do you have for outbound policy, I have permissive set, and nothing else in the boxes.
[02:53] <FFighter> the same as yours
[02:54] <n2diy> FFighter: And when you enable the firewall, you can't chat here?
[02:54] <FFighter> no
[02:54] <FFighter> internet connections goes blocked
[02:55] <n2diy> FFighter: Does the bridge have a config file, or something?
[02:55] <FFighter> hmmm... not that I know... the only reference I have is the tutorial I told you
[02:56] <FFighter> it is created the time I run the "dial" script
[02:56] <n2diy> FFighter: Ok, let me take another look at it.
[02:56] <FFighter> allright... no hurry ;)
[03:01] <n2diy> FFighter: Do you have an external modem handy?
[03:02] <FFighter> what is a handy ?
[03:03] <FFighter> oh, you mean another modem to test ?
[03:03] <n2diy> FFighter: That you could hook up to your box now? Yes, eliminate the bridge.
[03:03] <FFighter> no, I don't :(
[03:05] <n2diy> FFighter: Ok, I'm at a loss, I'm suspecting the bridge, since it is sending the pings, but no idea why? Maybe there is a Speedtouch list, or email list, google, etc...?
[03:06] <FFighter> n2diy, Ok, Thanks anyway, really appreciated your help
[03:06] <FFighter> thanks for your time... I will take a look somewhere else and see if there's a speedtouch list or something
[03:06] <n2diy> FFighter: Your more then welcome, it was fun. Let me know what you find out<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:07] <FFighter> n2diy, Yes, of course, I will email you once I get something
[03:07] <n2diy> FFighter: and quit herding cats, solve one problem at a time!
[03:07] <FFighter> haha
[03:07] <FFighter> ok, thanks for the advice!
[03:07] <FFighter> ^^
[03:08] <n2diy> FFighter:  :)
[03:08] <FFighter> have a good evening (well, at least it is evening here :)
[03:09] <n2diy> FFighter:  Same here in E. Pa., we're getting clobbered with T-Storms, so I have to shut down anyway.
[03:09] <n2diy> 73
[04:34] <kadaz> !easysource
[04:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:07] <kadaz> what the command to save a file @ console?
[05:08] <kadaz> txt file
[05:25] <nalioth> Flannel: there is no such animal as a "windows MBR"
[05:25] <nalioth> microsoft does not use anything in the MBR.
[05:25] <Flannel> windows has it's own bootloader in the MBR
[05:25] <Flannel> which grub stage1 overwrites, right?
[05:25] <nalioth> no, it doesn't
[05:26] <nalioth> windows uses a bootable hidden file in the root of the hard drive
[05:26] <nalioth> not the /mbr
[05:26] <nalioth> if one has linux and windows installed, all one has to do to become a windows only system again is wipe the mbr
[05:26] <Flannel> since when?
[05:27] <nalioth> XP does it this way
[05:27] <nalioth> i've not gotten hold of a Vista system to check
[05:27] <nalioth> w2k does it that way
[05:27] <Flannel> so, fixmbr just zeros the MBR?
[05:27] <nalioth> w95/98 does it
[05:27] <nalioth> i usually fdisk the mbr
[05:27] <Flannel> since, that's NEVER been te instructions we've given to restore windows
[05:28] <nalioth> i speak from experience
[05:28] <nalioth> there is no such animal
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> interesting
[05:33] <Flannel> nalioth: the interblags don't seem to agree with you.
[05:48] <nalioth> Flannel: as you wish.  i've done enough windows/linux stuff.  i've never seen windows do ANYthing with the MBR
[06:32] <n2diy>  nalioth, are still here?
[06:32] <nalioth> n2diy: i am
[06:33] <n2diy>  nalioth, Roger, when I was working with FFighter, I thought it was ok to dump is ifconfig here since thing seemed to be quit, was that ok?
[06:34] <n2diy> thing/things
[06:34] <n2diy> quit/quite
[06:34] <n2diy> I'd better lay down?
[06:35] <n2diy> is/his
[06:35] <n2diy> man, what is wrong with my keyboard? :)
[06:36] <nalioth> n2diy: better in a pastebin (pastebins last longer) but if you have to paste in a channel, this one is better than #ubuntu   :D
[06:37] <n2diy>  nalioth, yes, that is why I suggested he come over here. He was having trouble with the standard pastebin.
[06:38] <nalioth> then send them to non standard ones  :)   pastebin.ca  pastebin.com rafb etc
[06:39] <n2diy>  nalioth, I wasn't aware of them, but he found one.
[06:40] <nalioth> it's ok to paste a bit in here,  but it is really more helpful for all concerned to use a pastebin
[06:43] <n2diy>  nalioth, Yes, understood. I prefer to keep stuff on channel in #Ubuntu, but since he couldn't access pastebin, I suggested he come over here , and dump the output of is ifconfig. It was quite here, so I was hoping it would be a no harm, no foul situation.
[06:45] <nalioth> not a problem :)
[06:46] <n2diy> 10-4 take care. ttyl.


[04:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:16] <ducasse> morning
[06:38] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[06:45] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, all well today?
[06:45] <EriC^^> yeah, thanks, yourself?
[06:47] <ducasse> all good. waking up with a coke and a smoke :)
[06:48] <EriC^^> :)
[06:50] <ducasse> looking at my router 'nest', thinking i should straighten out the cable mess there...
[06:52] <EriC^^> nest :D
[06:53] <ducasse> that's what it looks like now :)
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:13] <daftykins> hey \o
[14:13] <daftykins> what's new?
[14:13] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, enjoying your weekend?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, yes , how about you?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, mucking about with fedora 27
[14:15] <daftykins> ah har
[14:17] <ducasse> what do you think?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> the networking setup isclunky as hell, it's aful trying to setup a ststic IP. all the documentataion is old and out of date
[14:19] <BluesKaj> static IP
[14:20] <BluesKaj> they assume everyoe wants to use NM
[14:20] <immu> hiyaaa
[14:20] <BluesKaj> uhoh KB battery is blinking low power
[14:21] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[14:21] <ducasse> i started using systemd-networkd on arch, it's actually nice to be able to learn _one_ way to do this and be done with it.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> well at least arch doesn't use 5 or 6 different conf files to setup a network interface
[14:24] <immu> how many have looked into solus
[14:24] <daftykins> seems all distros think you want automagic-and-fail networking :<
[14:24] <ducasse> not with networkd, at least, i haven't tried netctl and the other alternatives
[14:25] <BluesKaj> fedora looks like pile of multi-scripts that just been added to for every release and never treid to make it a comprehensive simplified system
[14:26] <BluesKaj> the networking system that is'
[14:26] <ducasse> that was my impression as well when i looked at it, but that was a few releases ago
[14:27] <BluesKaj> think it's worse now with systemd in the mix
[14:30] <BluesKaj> anyway the packaging system looks like it's received a lot more attention to impress the innocent, but it's also kind of slow and ponderous in the konsole
[14:30] <BluesKaj> dnf was supposed fix that I think
[14:32] <BluesKaj> I was interested due it's work on pipewire , but the man is very sketchy
[14:34] <BluesKaj> I'll be searching for another test distro to run on the old hdd soon
[14:35] <immu> pipewire is work in progress
[14:37] <BluesKaj> pipewire has very little progress in real terms atm ... glowing reports don't reflect the reality
[14:38] <immu> its meant to eventually replace pulse audio and jack
[14:38] <immu> since its fedora's pet project i would be very concerned about it
[14:39] <BluesKaj> anyway, gonna switch back to kubuntu...bbiab
[14:42] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:43] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[14:43] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, how are you?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> pauljw, just fine thanks, and you ?
[14:44] <pauljw> doing good, thanks.
[14:50] <ducasse> bbiab
[14:50] <pauljw> :)
[15:00] <pauljw> FYI in case it comes up in support: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2370993
[15:00] <pauljw> some servers are down
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> hey guys
[15:12] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> wow gnome system settings have been changed nicely
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> lemme grab a screen
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> http://imgur.com/a/WiCHa
[15:29] <immu> yeah
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> and change dock positions
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> artful is so nice release!
[15:34] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, having a nice weekend?
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: hey mate, a working once :p
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> *one
[15:35] <immu> ducasse, leaving
[15:36] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: when are you starting the new job?
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: 2 october :p
[15:39] <ducasse> cool, looking forward to it?
[15:40] <immu> what job? which job? ;)
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: very, i can also work in between on my days off
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: finally more free time i needed
[15:44] <ducasse> that will be good, hope they are better at keeping their promises :)
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: they sure will, because this restaurant is only open at noon
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> a whole world of difference
[15:46] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje :)
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so small service from 11.30 till 14h/15h
[15:46] <ducasse> ah, right. well, best of luck! :)
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> thanks mate
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: weekends off and holidays will do me alotta goods
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[15:47] <pauljw> :)
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: found another bug of some sorts
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: like a screen glitch in the dock
[15:51] <ducasse> could be a driver bug?
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> lemme imgur it
[15:52] <ducasse> pauljw: do you live some place that will be affected by irma?
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: on chromium icon: http://imgur.com/a/JE6Iu
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> irma is WOW!
[15:53] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: try opening the icon file, could be file corruption
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> i did open chromium doesnt change
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> lemme try remove and re-add
[15:54] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: no, i mean the right chromium-browser.png or whatever it is
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> oh
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> wich folder is that again?
[15:55] <ducasse>  /usr/share/icons/<theme>
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> wow more folders
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[15:59] <pauljw> ducasse, not really, we're expecting some rain out of it, that's about it.  i'm in Indiana, the middle of the country.
[15:59] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[15:59] <pauljw> EriC^^
[15:59] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[15:59] <pauljw> :)
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: /usr/share/applications shows a full chromium icon
[16:02] <ducasse> pauljw: good, i guess a hurricane would dissipate most of it's energy before it got that far inland
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: checkout new gnome settings and movable dock: http://imgur.com/a/WiCHa
[16:02] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: try resizing the dock?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> bingo!
[16:03] <pauljw> yeah, even as big as irma is, landmass takes the energy out of them.
[16:03] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it worked?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: size 36 glitches it, all other sizes fixes it!
[16:04] <pauljw> :)
[16:04] <EriC^^> looks good!
[16:04] <EriC^^> is that wayland?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its not final, so not sure
[16:05] <EriC^^> so clean though
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: lotuspsychje@ArtfullBOX:~$ ps -e | grep X
[16:05] <lotuspsychje>   923 tty1     00:10:19 Xorg
[16:05] <EriC^^> aha
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: that would count as a bug right?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> lemme add a full dock icons
[16:06] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i'd think so, could be a problem resizing the icon file to fit the dock at 36x36
[16:07] <ducasse> ask in +1 if anyone can confirm
[16:08] <ducasse> (i'd do it, but i really don't want to install all of gnome)
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> only chromium glitches, weird
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> got a full dock with icons now
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> replacing to other place doesnt fix
[16:11] <ducasse> try reinstalling chromium-browser, maybe the theme as well - not sure where it gets the icon from
[16:12] <ducasse> (icon theme, that is)
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> lemme try that
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> purging
[16:13] <ducasse> there is /usr/share/pixmaps/chromium-browser.png in chromium-browser, could be that
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> reinstalling
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: fixxed now
[16:16] <ducasse> so, probably bad file
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah, tnx for help
[16:17] <ducasse> np
[16:17] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: do you remember a guy in +1 having problems with a snap the other day? i can't remember who else was present...
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> pixmaps show correct png
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i remember a snap discussion, but not sure it was +1, what was it about again?
[16:19] <ducasse> js error when trying to run, it was an electron app
[16:19] <ducasse> anyway, today someone else had the exact same problem with a different snap, also electron based
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> no cant recall something about that
[16:21] <ducasse> we should keep an eye open, see if it happens to others
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: remember wich day it was?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: got it: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/09/08/%23ubuntu+1.html
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> ballyhoo
[16:26] <ducasse> yes, that was the last one (i didn't see it until this morning), there was one earlier. pretty sure it was in +1, since it definitely was for artful.
[16:28] <ducasse> yep, thursday
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i guess snaps the owner is responsable for, so we will get nice snaps and not so nice snaps?
[16:29] <immu> folks
[16:29] <immu> does any one remember place value of maths?>
[16:30] <ducasse> idk, but this only seems to affect some people, and only on artful
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/why-electron-apps-arent-bad-2
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> didnt find usefull artful bugs yet
[16:38] <ducasse> i'll look into it further tomorrow, but maybe this could be an artful bug
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah


 Time to do some digging.
[04:46] <CoJaBo> I ggave up trying to get sound to work :/
[05:07] <valorie> EldonMcGuinness: what's the issue?
[05:07] <valorie> I have no problems with sound
[05:13] <schnoodles> Hey. I was wondering where I would disable to global shortcut for using alt+click and mouse for moving a window. It overrides some program features that I am trying to use.
[06:22] <EldonMcGuinness> Hey valorie, well auto switching seems to be broken for me. In order to switch between my bluetooth headphones and speakers I have to manually switch.
[06:23] <EldonMcGuinness> in 17.04 it would just auto switch.
[06:23] <EldonMcGuinness> On top of that I go no notification sounds, kind of an annoyance really, nothing huge, but annoying none the less.
[06:24] <EldonMcGuinness> I've been itching to give KDE Neon a whirl, might just install it and watch a movie while it goes.
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:59] <IrcsomeBot1> Luics was added by: Luics
[11:25] <mauro_> hi, do you know there  is a certified hadward list for kubuntu, I mean something like https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/
[11:30] <hateball> mauro_: it's the same kernel, and that's what the certification is for
[11:34] <mauro_> hateball: thanks
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> hey all
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> I am using KMail 2.x
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> every now and then there are issues, of course, due to Akonadi being what it is
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> but right now this has become a huge problem:
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> I got an e-mail 9 days ago, I remember reading it, I see it in my inbox in KMail, now I wanted to read it again and when I click it I only see the headers
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> no content
[11:51] <rysiek|pl> the e-mail seems empty
[11:53] <rysiek|pl> anybody any ideas? I'm on 17.04
[11:59] <hateball> rysiek|pl: Don't know about KMail in particular, but you should upgrade to 17.10 as 17.04 is EOL soon
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> hateball: I am moving to QubesOS
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> hateball: but I still need access to my email now
[12:06] <hateball> Guess you'll just have to stick around then, in case someone that uses KMail shows up :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:44] <Vamp898> Hi there, sddm seems to run without any DISPLAY... i want to execute an command which needs the DISPLAY variable to be set
[17:59] <willi_> hallo
[18:32] <RonaldsMazitis> how can I make rectangles always show on applications that are working
[18:32] <RonaldsMazitis> for icon only task manager
[18:32] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm always confused that it hides info which is opened till I hover over
[18:36] <RonaldsMazitis> it's weird because on windows You always get to know which apps are open
[18:36] <RonaldsMazitis> just from empty desktop
[18:41] <h_boyz> Good evening!
[18:44] <h_boyz> I can't upgrade my kubuntu 16.04 to 17.10 . Software update propose me only 17.04 (he could propose 16.10, right?) and i have an error like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/26222763/
[18:45] <RonaldsMazitis> why did You do it
[18:49] <h_boyz> i need the last version of digikam darktable and gimp
[18:51] <acheronuk> there is no supported upgrade path straight from 16.04 -> 17.10
[18:54] <h_boyz> i know, but update manager propose only 17.04 and not the 16.10
[18:56] <acheronuk> 16.10 is end of life. no longer supported. so it's no longer in the metadata as a valid path to upgrade to
[19:02] <h_boyz> then i must wait and upgrade directly to 18.04?
[19:22] <developer> hello
[19:23] <developer> exit
[19:26] <acheronuk> h_boyz: that would be the safest option. there are ways to force an upgrade/fool update manager, but not advisable and not tested
[19:26] <acheronuk> oh, quit. great timing
[20:27] <zaapiel> all heil kubuntu