[00:14] <wxl> funny. new kernel's out with an unexpected surprise.. wii remote support
[00:20] <phil42> i screwed up my .conifig/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml file. where can i get a fresh copy?
[00:20] <phil42> .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[00:22] <wxl> phil42: why not load the live cd and just copy from there?
[00:23] <phil42> good idea
[00:23] <phil42> i will do that,  thankyou
[00:24] <Unit193> Or just rename the current one and reboot
[00:24] <wxl> touche
[05:53] <scribus12> is there ubuntu software center in lubuntu?
[05:54] <scribus12> is there ubuntu software center in lubuntu?
[05:55] <bioterror> yes and no
[05:55] <bioterror> for this release Lubuntu Software Centre wasnt ready, but it's going to be included in 12.04
[05:55] <bioterror> and you can install Ubuntu Software Centre if youw ant
[05:55] <bioterror> *you want
[05:56] <bioterror> you can install Lubuntu Software Centre from a PPA
[05:57] <bioterror> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Lubuntu-Software-Center-221531.shtml for example
[05:58] <scribus12> oh. I see.
[05:58] <scribus12> bioterror: I personally don't use it but this is for my parents laptop.
[07:07] <l33_> hi
[07:08] <l33_> omagical when i enter a chan
[07:08] <l33_> oops
[08:31] <john32> hi i installed a fresh copy of lubuntu how can i get my tango term theme from gnome
[08:32] <john32> on another system ages ago lubuntu-desktop was installed after gnome
[08:32] <john32> and it inherited my color schemes from tango
[08:33] <john32> perhaps it's some package i need to install
[08:35] <john32> the most ive been able to find is this post http://blogs.n1zyy.com/andrew/2009/02/02/tango-color-scheme-for-xfce-terminal/
[08:46] <Unit193> john32: I would assume that's a normal GTK theme and could be placed in ~/.themes
[08:46] <john32> mm perhaps where might i find it
[08:47] <john32> currently dont have access to an ubuntu system
[08:47] <john32> but i know in the past when i did install lxde on top of ubuntu
[08:47] <john32> lxterminal inherited the tango theme
[08:49] <Unit193> !info industrialtango-theme
[08:49] <Unit193> WOuld that be it?
[08:49] <john32> ah perhaps
[08:51] <john32> Description:
[08:51] <john32> Industrial Tango GTK theme
[08:51] <john32> The Industrial Tango GTK theme. At the moment the package contains:
[08:51] <john32> * the GTK configuration and
[08:51] <john32> * Metacity configuration for the theme.
[08:51] <john32> perhaps
[08:51] <john32> that i don't think is it though
[08:59] <john32> quit
[09:00] <Unit193> Awww.... Just when I thought human-theme might be it :/
[09:02] <john32> nope still no tango theme in lxterminal hmmm how did i do it that last time
[09:09] <Unit193> Ah, I asked if human-theme was it, and you'd need to change it in lxappearance
[09:10] <john32> ive installed guake that has it :P
[09:10] <john32> but i really would like to be able to copy the schema or whatever to lxterm
[09:11] <john32> Unit193: lxapperance doesn't let you chance lxterminal colors though
[09:14] <LubuntuPowered> so i ran the update for 11.10 and it froze during the update, warned me that it will cause the OS to act silly if i canceled, but i had no choice
[09:15] <LubuntuPowered> now i'm getting all sorts of errors, and the desktop/ graphical interface is looking weird now
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> chris@chris-Millennia-GS:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> Reading package lists... Done
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> Building dependency tree
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> Reading state information... Done
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered>  gtk2-engines-pixbuf : Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.24.6-0ubuntu5) but 2.24.4-0ubuntu2 is installed
[09:17] <john32> hehe update from 11.04 11.10 was not smooth
[09:17] <bioterror> :D
[09:17] <john32> pretty much the reason im using lubuntu right now is because the GNOME3 shell and Unity is unusable
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered>  libgail18 : Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.24.6-0ubuntu5) but 2.24.4-0ubuntu2 is installed
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered>  libpam-modules : PreDepends: libpam-modules-bin (= 1.1.2-2ubuntu8.3) but 1.1.3-2ubuntu2.1 is installed
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[09:18] <john32> it's like using KDE 4.0
[09:18] <john32> lol
[09:18] <john32> it's pretty bad when kubuntu looks more stable than ubuntu.. but i do like where unity is going it just needs to work a bit smoother :)
[09:18] <john32> another issue i had when updating was the network configuration thing
[09:19] <john32> http://kevindubois.com/blog/2011/10/14/solved-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot-upgrade-waiting-for-network-configuration/
[09:19] <john32> LubuntuPowered: maybe aptitude can help resolve your broken dependencies
[09:22] <bioterror> use the F!
[10:49] <Nyashka> hi all!
[10:50] <Nyashka> Enybode here?
[10:50] <Nyashka> dy
[10:50] <bioterror> no
[10:50] <bioterror> no ones here
[10:50] <Nyashka> :( bad
[10:50] <Nyashka> only bots here yes?
[10:51] <Nyashka> who can help?
[10:51] <Nyashka> i have qustion
[10:52] <bioterror> !ask | Nyashka
[10:52] <bioterror> <3
[10:53] <Nyashka> How do I change lxdm on lightdm?
[10:53] <bioterror> is there a real reason for this?
[10:54] <Nyashka> yes
[10:54] <Nyashka> old computer...
[10:54] <emce_PL> but lxdm is also lightweight login manager
[10:54] <Nyashka> for Netbook is also important
[10:54] <bioterror> not good enough
[10:55] <bioterror> and I dont want to instruct you to "fix lightdm" or "rollback to lxdm" ;)
  no very light and he just bad
[10:55] <bioterror> there's a reason why Lubuntu did not use lightdm for this cycle
[10:55] <Myrtti> it's only a login manager
[10:56] <bioterror> you should our dev's vision ;)
[10:56] <bioterror> +trust
[10:56] <bioterror> !lightdm
[10:56] <bioterror> :o
[10:57] <Nyashka> lightdm is nice, lxdm not nice
[10:57] <bioterror> why lxdm is not nice?
[10:57] <Nyashka> lightdm better in all
[10:57] <bioterror> Nyashka, some facts
  google pictures
[10:58] <Nyashka> ...
[10:58] <bioterror> you just type your username and password
[10:58] <bioterror> that's all for what you use it :D
[10:59] <bioterror> and hi to myrtti ;)
 not only
[10:59] <Myrtti> bioterror: ohai
[11:00] <Nyashka> PLEASE, TELL WORKING HOWTO!
[11:00] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lightdm
[11:00] <Myrtti> no reason to get abusive with caps
[11:00] <bioterror> next!
[11:00] <Nyashka> HERE IS COMPETENT SPECIALIST?
[11:01] <Myrtti> please push your CAPS LOCK key off
[11:01] <Nyashka> sudo apt-get install lightdm - first step, and second - ?
[11:02] <Nyashka> how add in config?
[11:02] <bioterror> Nyashka, really, I'm not going to wipe too
[11:02] <Nyashka> i need add it in config
[11:02] <Myrtti> Nyashka: installing software is easy, if you had done teeniest bit of research you would have found out how stuff is installed
[11:03] <Nyashka> http://www.lubuntu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2663#p2663
[11:03] <Myrtti> Nyashka: please don't expect people to spoonfeed you, have some initiative and responsibility yourself - since you want to take some by installing non-default dm
[11:04] <Nyashka> in the new lxde will not lxdm
[11:05] <Nyashka> in future
[11:05] <bioterror> Future is not present
[11:06] <Nyashka> i have now please
[11:06] <Nyashka> want
[11:06] <bioterror> go with the flow and enjoy the moment you're living right now. and let the dev's handle migration from LXDM to LightDM in Lubuntu
[11:06] <Nyashka> have > want
[11:07] <Nyashka> ok and how add in config?
[11:08] <Nyashka> ?
[11:08] <Nyashka> :(
[11:08] <Nyashka> ok maybe me answer on ubuntu channel
[11:08] <Nyashka> bb all here!
[11:34] <emce_PL> hey guys - I searched for solution, but nobody could help me - maybe now
[11:34] <emce_PL> I use normal root account (su root) with changed root password, and after first login on root account after trying to reboot or halt system there is a prompt about password, which dissapear after few second
[11:34] <emce_PL> I use root account only in console
[12:21] <Goliat> Hello. I'm thinking about changing to Lubuntu but i was wondering how it well it works with software like dropbox?
[12:23] <Goliat> I also have an ATI graphics card. I know about the issues with ATI drivers in Gnome, How is it with drivers in Lubuntu?
[12:24] <bioterror> kernels and drivers are all the same
[12:24] <bioterror> lubuntu is just LXDE Components on top of the Openbox windowmanager
[12:24] <emce_PL> Dropbox works perfect in Lubuntu
[12:24] <KM0201> Goliat: i use dropbox with Lubuntu, works fine
[12:24] <bioterror> as Gnome is metacity or something + gnome stuff ;)
[12:25] <bioterror> with dropbox you just need to make it autostart
[12:25] <bioterror> and that's all?
[12:25] <KM0201> bioterror: pretty much.
[12:26] <Goliat> bioterror: So installing the fglrx will work fine?
[12:26] <KM0201> if the drivers work in Ubuntu, they will work fine in Lubuntu
[12:27] <KM0201> i use Dual Screens on my Nvidia card, just like I use Dual screens in Ubuntu.... Activate Nvidia driver, setup twinview.
[12:27] <Goliat> KM0201: Nice, Did you use the ubuntu install for dropbox?
[12:27] <KM0201> Goliat: of course
[12:28] <KM0201> Goliat: what other package would i use?
[12:28] <KM0201> Goliat: LXDE and Unity, are just window dressing, under the hood, it's the same OS.
[12:28] <emce_PL> You can use Ubuntu One instead of dropbox or with dropbox
[12:29] <stlsaint> Goliat: packaging is exactly the same as with ubuntu for .bin .deb etc
[12:29] <KM0201> emce_PL: not really sure what that has to do w/ anything, but.. ok
[12:29] <Goliat> KM0201: I don't know, But when i installed dropbox on fedora with xfce it was a bit awkward to get it working, Was worried it could be the same in Lubuntu
[12:30] <emce_PL> Ubuntu One is storage service dedicated for Ubuntu
[12:30] <KM0201> Goliat: dunno about the fedora packaging (although it should have been just fine).. all i can tell you, is i installed it the exact same way on Lubuntu, as I did on Ubuntu... Download .deb, install deb.
[12:30] <KM0201> emce_PL: so?
[12:30] <KM0201> still has nothing to do w/ dropbox, which is the question at hand.
[12:30] <emce_PL> if You use DropBox, you can use UbuntuOne also
[12:30] <KM0201> Goliat: only difference is as bioterror pointed out, once its installed, you'll have to set it to autostart.
[12:31] <KM0201> emce_PL: i understand that... but. i don't understand why you're bringing up UbuntuOne.. it doesn't integrate any better/worse than Dropbox.
[12:31] <KM0201> he asked about dropbox, not ubuntu one
[12:31] <Goliat> KM0201: Ok, Do most of the software for Ubuntu work on Lubuntu because they are so close?
[12:31] <KM0201> Goliat: they all do
[12:32] <KM0201> again, LXDE(Lubuntu) is simply window dressing.. if you install the app, and any dependant libraries.... if it works on Ubuntu/Unity, or Kubuntu, or whatever, it will work on Lubuntu
[12:33] <stlsaint> Goliat: im not sure your understanding what everyone is saying....ubunut and (L)ubuntu are the same base OS (wiht a few tweaks) minus the Desktop environment.
[12:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> there i can find running program with icons in tray. 10.04 system
[12:34] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus: if the program has a system try icon, just make sure system tray is in your panel, and you'll see the icons
[12:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i have space between icons. i want find what this
[12:36] <KM0201> what happens if you click the space?
[12:36] <JohnDoe_71Rus> nothing
[12:38] <Goliat> stlsaint: Yeah im not the best with linux distributions. I was unsure if its ok to say they are the same Os. But ive had the idea that the different desktop environments make's it well hard to run a program such as dropbox,
[12:39] <KM0201> Goliat: *sometimes*.. but 99% of the time, apps integrate into any desktop environment pretty well... as for dropbox, trust me on that one, it'll work just fine
[12:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://postimage.org/image/rkk1e3ew5/
[12:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> nm-applet, volti, space, caffeine...
[12:40] <Goliat> KM0201: Okay. It sounds much better than fedora then :P
[12:41] <KM0201> Goliat: Fedora is a fine release.. but Fedora is typically gonna be a bit better for an experienced linux user. also, apples to oranges, Fedora is RH based, Ubuntu is Debian based
[12:42] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus: i dunno, that does look weird..  http://imagebin.org/180683
[12:43] <JohnDoe_71Rus> dunno == does not?
[12:43] <Goliat> KM0201: Yeah that's definitely true, Xfce with fedora is a challange. Do you mean .rpm when you say RH?
[12:43] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus: yes
[12:44] <KM0201> Goliat: yes
[12:44] <JohnDoe_71Rus> it start after caffeine install. but in ubuntu with caffeine icons fine
[12:45] <KM0201> Goliat: just install Lubuntu, and come back here w/ any questions you have, i'll be around quite a while... other than the ATI driver (i never use ATI) I can probably help you w/ most stuff if you need it.
[12:47] <Goliat> KM0201: Thank you for the help. It will probably go smooth since i used ubuntu some time ago. I'm sure it will go well with Lubuntu when i install it. :)
[12:47] <KM0201> good luck
[12:49] <Goliat> Thanks for all the help guys. Bye!
[12:54] <fivefivesix> hmm this is odd im not getting any sound through firefox or what not i am from my other machine though via line in
[12:54] <fivefivesix> and it was working before
[12:55] <fivefivesix> and ive checked alsamixer
[12:56] <KM0201> fivefivesix: i have a lot of problems w/ alsa... i usually install pulseaudio and pavucontrol -- make adjustments as necessary, and everythign works fine
[12:56] <fivefivesix> pulseaudio is installed by default
[12:56] <KM0201> no its not
[12:56] <fivefivesix> i know it was working like an hour ago
[12:56] <KM0201> sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[12:57] <KM0201> then install pavucontrol
[12:57] <fivefivesix> yeah i just needed pavucontrol ill see what that can do
[12:58] <fivefivesix> i can see the bar moving in output devices in pavucontrol
[12:59] <fivefivesix> ahh so annoying
[13:00] <fivefivesix> i bet it fucked up when i installed amarok
[13:01] <fivefivesix> okay this has really stumped me
[13:01] <fivefivesix> everything seems to be alright
[13:01] <leszek> hi
[13:01] <fivefivesix> its like the sound is being directed to the wrong device
[13:01] <fivefivesix> or something
[13:02] <fivefivesix> okay that's very weird i went into Configuration
[13:02] <fivefivesix> and changed the profile
[13:03] <fivefivesix> from Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output
[13:03] <fivefivesix> to something else
[13:03] <fivefivesix> and then back again
[13:22] <brother-> (y)
[13:22] <brother-> oh
[13:47] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:05] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH in Lubuntu 11.10 ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:20] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH in Lubuntu 11.10 ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:49] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH in Lubuntu 11.10 ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:52] <leszek> where is the op to kickban BenPA ?
[14:55] <Myrtti> why would he be kicked?
[14:57] <BenPA> not sure what you mean leszek
[14:58] <leszek> because he spams the channel ?
[14:58] <BenPA> sorry I am not spamming
[14:59] <leszek> in half an hour you asked the same question over and over again
[14:59] <BenPA> or if I am I am sorry
[14:59] <Myrtti> you both need to be patient :-)
[14:59] <BenPA> ok I will
[15:00] <leszek> in other channels you would be kicked by now :P
[15:00] <Myrtti> depends on what you mean by other channels ;-)
[15:00] <leszek> #ubuntu
[15:00] <leszek> :P
[15:00] <Myrtti> no, not really
[15:01] <Myrtti> anyway that meta discussion belongs elsewhere
[15:01] <BenPA> just trying to solve a problem to make things better for others ... meant no harm
[15:01] <Tm_T> BenPA: no problem
[15:02] <Tm_T> leszek: for future, just ask nicely people to be patient, no point asking kick if there hasn't been any guidance beforehand
[15:13] <bioterror> Tm_T, sometimes people just thinks that IRC works like Ikea's "ask from our employer" chat ;)
[15:14] <Tm_T> never tried that
[15:14] <BenPA> bioterror ... I don't think that way
[15:14] <bioterror> BenPA, that path should be /etc/profile
[15:14] <bioterror> unless you have a .bashrc or something of your own which add a path
[15:16] <BenPA> bioterror ... there is a bashrc but what harm would there be to add /etc/profile .. I am willing to try anything at this point ... I've been trying to solve this issue for about 2 weeks now
[15:17] <bioterror> check your /etc/profile
[15:17] <bioterror> I have there:
[15:17] <bioterror> if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
[15:17] <bioterror>   PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
[15:17] <bioterror> else
[15:17] <bioterror>   PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games"
[15:17] <bioterror> fi
[15:17] <bioterror> (sorry for not pastebin ;)
[15:17] <Myrtti> shame on you ;-)
[15:17] <bioterror> Dr. Sbaitso! ;)
[15:19] <BenPA> bioterror ... I do not see any reference to PATH in that file
[15:19] <bioterror> is that so?
[15:20] <bioterror> I really dont have lubuntu machine near me, but I can boot from stick
[15:20] <bioterror> :D
[15:20] <bioterror> if only I know where I put my stick
[15:21] <BenPA> bioterror ... ultimately, I am trying to create a custome stick but remastersys disappeared on me
[15:23] <leszek> re
[15:26] <bioterror> BenPA, got it! /etc/login.defs
[15:26] <bioterror> that's where those path's are defined
[15:30] <BenPA> bioterror ... ok hold a sec
[15:34] <BenPA> bioterror ... ok, here is my issue ... I searched launchpad for any previous issue on the subject of Lubuntu not doing a shutdown/reboot/logout from the menu buttons ... where might those be defined in there ... I can do init 0 or shutdown -h or -r now from the consold but menu buttons don't work ... it was suggested to reinstall because I was using 11.04 but I upgraded to 11.10 and the problem still remains
[15:35] <bioterror> I think those are done with consolekit
[15:37] <bioterror> I really cant understand why they wont work
[15:37] <BenPA> I installed kde desktop on top of lubuntu and I had an issue of the kde plasma option not starting until I changed from lxde to kdm ... everything else works great and the speed is great but it just won't shutdown/reboot/logout
[15:38] <BenPA> well . that is two of us
[15:40] <bioterror> did it work before KDM?
[15:45] <BenPA> on 11.04 no
[15:46] <bioterror> I've never encountered that kind of problem
[15:51] <BenPA> well, I am not the only one ... it has been going on for a while per the launchpad info I found
[16:18] <xxb> has anyone else found the icons for Desktop and the home Dir do not show in PCManFM
[16:18] <xxb> for me they're showing up as just normal folders
[16:18] <xxb> in the side menu not as like their special icon that they appear in go
[16:18] <xxb> they did in natty
[16:21] <usertwo> how do i change the wallpaper to black solid colour on the desktop?
[16:24] <Neosano> !logs
[16:26] <Neosano> usertwo, wallpaper mode: Fill with background color only
[16:27] <Neosano> usertwo, that's in desktop preferences (right click on the desktop)
[16:28] <xxb> usertwo: right click on the desktop
[16:28] <usertwo> Neosano: when i right click on desktop i dont get desktop prefernces. only terminal emulator and web browser
[16:28] <usertwo> obconf?
[16:29] <usertwo> reconfigure?
[16:29] <Neosano> huh?
[16:30] <usertwo> i cant add a  new folder to the desktop. something is wrong in the configuration.
[16:30] <bioterror> cd ~/Desktop
[16:30] <bioterror> mkdir test
[16:30] <bioterror> and does it appear?
[16:32] <usertwo> it looks like the old style unix dialog box. i had the menu you are referring to for about 5 minutes and then it 'switched' to this one. i must have changed something on the settings
[16:33] <usertwo> i did remove all extra desktops. i am only using 1 for now
[16:33] <xxb> ah interesting my icon issue went away :)
[16:33] <xxb> xdg-user-dirs-update must have fixed it
[16:33] <Neosano> aha
[16:34] <Neosano> he checked the box
[16:34] <xxb> which box?
[16:34] <Neosano> in desktop preferences, second tab
[16:34] <Neosano> show menus provided by window managers
[16:34] <Neosano> now I checked it too, can't get it back :D
[16:34] <xxb> well i wont check it lol
[16:34] <xxb> otherwise i wont be able to get it back
[16:34] <xxb> actually you can probably open it from the commandline
[16:34] <xxb> to get it back
[16:37] <Neosano> how? :D
[16:37] <Neosano> http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5724/201110251935491280x800s.png
[16:37] <Neosano> this is the menu we see
[16:38] <Neosano> in previous versions of lubuntu ( if I remember correctly ) after checking this box I was able to see both menus
[16:38] <usertwo> Neosano: thats what i thought i was when i checked it
[16:39] <Neosano> so.. any ideas how to get the goddamn menu back?
[16:41] <usertwo> Neosano: i thought if there was an option to check the box...there would be an option to uncheck the box!
[16:41] <Neosano> yeah, but to uncheck the box I need the menu :<
[16:42] <Neosano> oh lemme reboot..
[16:42] <usertwo> Neosano: that wont help
[16:42] <Neosano> I know.. but I clicked "exit" option
[16:43] <Neosano> :D
[16:45] <Neosano> soo..
[17:33] <usertwo> Neosano: any luck getting the desktop menu back?
[17:33] <Neosano> no
[17:33] <Neosano> :(
[17:34] <usertwo> Neosano: oopss..sorry if i made you break your desktop...you were only trying to help
[17:34] <Neosano> ha-ha :D no problem
[17:34] <Neosano> bioterror, any way to solve our problem?
[17:45] <usertwo> Neosano: as with ubuntu..there is always a cl solution..i just need to find it!
[17:47] <Neosano> there's must be a config file somewhere -o-
[17:49] <l33_> starting compiz often brings the desktop back here :)
[17:55] <wxl> l33_: funny, initially i think that compiz is incompatible with the goals of lubuntu but upon further reflection it seems that on some systems lubuntu may be the key to making compiz possible!
[17:59] <l33_> hi wxl ;)
[17:59] <l33_> compiz running fine here
[17:59] <l33_> without any notable cpu load
[18:00] <wxl> unfortunately my issue is i don't think i could get the 3d working well with my stupid nvidia/powerpc setup
[18:01] <KM0201> wxl: no powerpc nvidia driver?
[18:02] <wxl> well the nv driver ain't all that
[18:02] <wxl> nouveau works better
[18:02] <wxl> still not ideal
[18:03] <wxl> in other gripes i wish that the lubuntu mailing list had a home outside of launchpad because that public archive is darn slow to update
[18:03] <wxl> i sent two posts and didn't get replies and i'm thinking the issue may be how i sent them (via another address but with the identity i'm subscribed under) although i got no bounces or anything
[18:05] <KM0201> wxl: weird, i use the Nvidia drier flawlessly
[18:06] <wxl> ppc tho KM0201 ?
[18:06] <KM0201> no... sorry, i keep forgetting that.
[18:06] <KM0201> lol
[18:06] <wxl> :)
[18:06] <wxl> i resized my partition last night and loaded debian on there
[18:07] <wxl> i'm going to see if an "officially supported" install doesn't work better
[18:07] <wxl> i am remiss to deviate from lubutnu because i appreciate it's ease of use but at least i still got lxde
[18:08] <wxl> and perhaps having the comparison will help work out some lubuntu ppc bugs
[18:12] <wxl> i'm convinced, for example, there are issues with processor usage
[18:13] <wxl> i had to get out icepacks just to keep the thing from shutting down when making a patched network-manager
[18:13] <wxl> runs way too hot
[18:26] <panfist> hi, i have a current ubuntu 10.10 installed on lvm, and i'd like to install lubuntu 11.10 side-by-side with that,
[18:26] <panfist> however i'm in the lubuntu installer and it doesn't seem to recognize the lvm stuff, i just shows a large unknown partition
[18:28] <panfist> is it possible to install lubuntu into an existing lvm volume group?
[18:30] <wxl> well that's poopy
[18:31]  * wxl has little experience with lvm
[18:31] <wxl> you're using the graphical installer?
[18:32] <panfist> yes
[18:33] <wxl> you MIGHT try the alternate installter
[18:33] <panfist> well, i kept reading about how lvm makes everything more awesome but it has caused me nothing by problems
[18:33] <wxl> hahahah
[18:33] <wxl> i hear unity's supposed to be awesome too
[18:33] <wxl> OH SNAP
[18:33] <wxl> ;)
[18:33] <panfist> oh my god unity
[18:34] <panfist> that's why i was still on ubuntu 10.10
[18:35] <panfist> i'm currently resizing the ext4 partition that's within my lvm volume group, that's almost done. when it finishes i will reboot and try the alternate installer
[18:35] <wxl> hehehe
[18:35] <wxl> yeah i can't make promises but you might get lucky
[18:37]  * wxl now realizes what LVM is
[18:38]  * wxl is still skeptical of software RAID
[18:38] <panfist> hmm it seems like after i manually activated the lvm group on command line, and refreshed that screen in the graphical installer it does see something, but i'll have to wait until the parition resize is complete before i'll know if i can do anything
[18:38] <panfist> software raid and lvm don't have very much to do with each other, but i have to say that the mdadm software raid package is most excellent
[18:38] <wxl> seems somewhat similar but i guess i'm clueless :D
[18:39] <panfist> you can use mdadm and do all kinds of software raid without touching lvm, and i have for the last several years
[18:40] <panfist> the performance is great, it's very stable, the maintainer is active on the mailing lists
[18:41] <panfist> hands down better than motherboard raid, but if real hardware raid is available then that's usually much better than mdadm
[18:41] <wxl> i need to get over my skepticism
[18:42] <panfist> i was in the process of simultaneously adding disks to a raid array and changing levels from 5 to 6, had a power outage, and when i rebooted it just happily resumed...nothing was lost
[18:44] <wxl> phew
[18:44] <wxl> i was in the process of backing up a bunch of data when my drives failed on me
[18:44] <wxl> sadly dd offered no help :'(
[18:45] <panfist> i hate to be that guy that has to top your story, but later on i had some problems with that same raid array...
[18:45] <wxl> oh?
[18:45] <panfist> i shut down the server to upgrade the nic, and when i booted it back up, four out of six drives were missing.
[18:45] <panfist> it turns out that they just completely died
[18:45] <wxl> DOH
[18:46] <panfist> four simultaneous hard drive failures...probably the most unlikely thing that's ever happened in my life
[18:46] <panfist> they were from three different batches too...the first thing everyone thinks is that i bought them all at once
[18:46] <wxl> heh
[18:47] <wxl> i've learned to hate certain manufacturers..
[18:47] <panfist> obviously it had to be some problem with the system, but i never found what it was, everything seemed fine but i never reused any of that hardware anyway
[18:47] <panfist> they werent seagate drives if that's who you're thinking
[18:47] <panfist> western digitals
[18:47] <wxl> EXACTLY :)
[18:47] <panfist> i got burned on the seagate 1tb drives when those first came out
[18:52] <usertwo> anyone know how to modify config file for pcmanfm
[18:52] <leszek> usertwo: it depends what you want to configure ?
[18:52] <wxl> not much to modify.. what do you want to do usertwo ?
[18:54] <usertwo> i inadvertently checked the option 'let window manager control options'...and now when i right click on desktop i get terminal emulator, web browser....notthe usual 'create new folder'. i want to get the original menu back
[18:54] <usertwo> i have tried modifying the config file but it keeps 'resetting' to the same options
[18:55] <leszek> usertwo: under [desktop] set show_wm_menu=0
[18:56] <usertwo> leszek: i tried that..saved it..but no change..do i need to reboot or just logout/login
[18:57] <usertwo> leszek: i have also just completely reinstalled pcmanfm but the menu=1 persists
[18:57] <leszek> relogin should work
[18:57] <usertwo> let me try again
[19:02] <usertwo> i just deleted the whole line show_wm_menu=1 from pcmanfm.config, saved and rebooted, and its back!
[19:02] <usertwo> there must be a bug..a check box should be able to be unchecked
[19:07] <panfist> i'm using the graphical installer and chose to download updates while installing...the mirror it picked is horribly slow. i'm downloading at 30KB/s, 10 of 57 packages done so far and i don't even know how large the remaining packages are
[19:07] <panfist> i'm assuming at this point there is nothing i can do about it...?
[19:09] <wxl> well that's weird
[19:09] <wxl> but unless you want to start over, uh, no
[19:09] <wxl> but it should (if i remember correctly) be using closest mirror
[19:09] <wxl> you in the us?
[19:09] <panfist> yes, east coast, nj to be exact
[19:10] <panfist> hmm i don't know if it switched mirrors or the speed kicked up, because it's much faster now
[19:10] <panfist> actually it's done now
[19:10] <wxl> well nevermind
[19:10] <wxl> might have switched mirrors
[19:10] <wxl> i don't remember if it's the case with ubuntu but i know with debian it defaults to a sort of cluster of mirrors in the us, all based out of one address
[19:10] <wxl> so the idea of switching between mirrors in that cluster is not odd
[19:12] <wxl> best bet looks like argonne natl lab right now
[19:12] <wxl> my old stand by (osu open source lab-- as i'm less than an hour away from it) is running at 1/5th the speed and is one day behind
[19:38] <morri> hi anybiody here?
[19:38] <wxl> yep
[19:38] <morri> good. opened synaptic and this came uo :
[19:39] <morri> wait
[19:39] <morri> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[19:39] <morri> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[19:39] <morri> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[19:39] <morri> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[19:39] <wxl> hold, phone
[19:39] <morri> think it maybe problem since the klast update but recently it still worked
[19:41] <wxl> wow that's fun
[19:42] <morri> have totell i am on my wubi which still has 11.04 btw
[19:42] <bioterror> morri, what if you open terminal and: sudo apt-get update
[19:42] <KM0201> yea
[19:43] <morri> Reading package lists... Error!
[19:43] <morri> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[19:43] <morri> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[19:43] <morri> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[19:44] <morri> no idea where it comes from all of a sardine
[19:44] <bioterror> morri
[19:44] <morri> yes
[19:44] <bioterror> sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[19:44] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update
[19:44] <wxl> yeah that's kind of what i was thinking
[19:44] <morri> thats removing something isnt it?
[19:45] <bioterror> yes
[19:45] <panfist> i was doing an inline upgrade with a previous 10.10 version of ubuntu, and the graphical installer said that some previously selected packages failed to restore to the new install
[19:45] <bioterror> you have something corrupted there
[19:45] <panfist> it didn't say which ones...is there a log of that anywhere?
[19:45] <morri> i havent upgraded this one yet..
[19:45] <wxl> panfist: yeah hold on i gotta remember where
[19:46] <morri> because being this wubi it is always a bit more jittery about stuff
[19:46] <morri> how do i call up logs again?
[19:46] <bioterror> morri, isnt it time to move to a real installation? :)
[19:46] <morri> i have got a real one on my pc
[19:46] <wxl> panfist: try /var/log/dpkg.log
[19:46] <morri> thisd ois my laptop and its cd drive istn working anymore
[19:47] <KM0201> morri: can it boot USB?
[19:47] <morri> not sure but if it can i havent got a big usb  :p
[19:47] <wxl> net install!
[19:47] <wxl> you can make the pc the server :D
[19:48] <morri> net install is pretty complicated isnt it?
[19:48] <panfist> wxl everything there looked successful. extremely long file, though. scanning for keywords like "fail" or "error" didn't turn up anything useful
[19:48] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[19:48] <wxl> it's pretty complicated, yes
[19:48] <panfist> oh well, it's not that important, i'll figure it out as i go along. thanks for the help
[19:48] <wxl> but so is trying to put lipstick on a pig :D
[19:48] <morri> haha
[19:48] <morri>  not a farmer either :p
[19:48] <wxl> panfist: you could also try /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:49] <wxl> hahahah
[19:49] <panfist> hmm it looks like it only failed on irssi because i installed irssi in the live environment
[19:49] <panfist> well, presumably because i installed irssi in the live environment
[19:50] <wxl> there you go
[19:50] <wxl> you can always fix it if need be
[19:50] <panfist> actually, i interpreted that wrong because the timestamps on these log files are from before i started the installation,
[19:51] <panfist> so i had some minor error installing irssi in the live environment, and there's nothing in here about the actions done by the installer
[19:51] <panfist> oh well, like i said i'll figure it out while i'm using it. at the first chance i get i'm re-installing from scratch and ditching LVM anyway
[19:51] <panfist> once again, thanks for all the help
[19:51] <wxl> hah
[19:51] <wxl> i thought lvm was all that and a bag of chips :D
[19:52] <panfist> i think mdadm is really great, lvm not so much
[19:52] <panfist> cheers
[19:52] <morri> what exactly am i removing by the listrs?
[19:59] <morri> okay whatever was corrupted it works now again
[19:59] <morri> thanks
[20:04] <Satta_> hello
[20:04] <wxl> yo
[20:04] <Satta_> Im new to Lubuntu and I need some help
[20:04] <wxl> with what?
[20:04] <KM0201> duh, with lubuntu
[20:04] <KM0201> ;)
[20:05]  * wxl slaps KM0201
[20:05] <Satta_> i wanto to browse into a windows filesystem
[20:05] <bioterror> that funny sparrow in the left bottom corner is a "start" menu ;)
[20:05] <KM0201> bioterror: :)
[20:05] <wxl> Satta_: open file manager and use URI like smb://server/share
[20:05] <Satta_> I do this in xubuntu with Gigolo
[20:05] <bioterror> open file manager and type: smb://ip.add.re.ss/ after pressing ctrl+l ;)
[20:05] <Satta_> ok then i must install samba
[20:05] <bioterror> wxl was fastah
[20:05] <wxl> Satta_: no
[20:06]  * wxl ftw
[20:06] <bioterror> you need samba only for sharing
[20:06] <bioterror> and sharing is caring!
[20:06] <KM0201> Satta_: are you wanting to access a windows filesystem that is on the same machien (ie, a dual boot system ) or  is it another machine on the network?
[20:07] <KM0201> that seemed to be the logical second question... :)
[20:07] <Satta_> In the same network
[20:07] <Satta_> yes I doit now
[20:07] <KM0201> Satta_: ok, smb://ipaddress
[20:07] <Satta_> thank's guys you rock!!!
[20:07] <wxl> np
[20:07] <bioterror> if you have configure your network properly, smb://hostname/share/ ;)
[20:07] <bioterror> +d
[20:08] <KM0201> wxl or bioterror have you guys messed w/ OpenVaultMedia yet? (don't know if you guys have home NAS's.. but it's slick)
[20:08] <Satta_> yes I'm testing lubuntu in virtualbox
[20:08] <wxl> KM0201: no still need to build my NAS
[20:08] <Satta_> but I always use tools for browse folder
[20:08] <bioterror> KM0201, my desktop computer is my NAS
[20:09] <Unit193> ^^
[20:09] <KM0201> wxl: i don't know if you jsut plan on using a server OS, like ubuntu server, or maybe if you were gonna use Freenas... if you were considering FreeNAs, take a look at openmediavault (#openmediavault) it's based on Debian
[20:09] <Satta_> thank's again wxl
[20:09] <wxl> thanks for the advice KM0201
[20:09] <wxl> np Satta_
[20:10] <KM0201> bioterror: well thats a good way to do things iguess, i just like stuff stored elsewhere, plus, w/ several PC's/laptops in the family, its nice having a NAS
[20:10] <bioterror> FreeNAS could be a nice solution
[20:10] <bioterror> if you have a atom board or something for spare
[20:10] <KM0201> bioterror: freenas WAS a nice solution, until ixsystems took it over.
[20:10] <KM0201> now, it' s like a rolling beta
[20:11] <wxl> unix should not be a beta
[20:11] <KM0201> OVM was started by one of  the original developer of FreeNas...
[20:11] <bioterror> chromium said freenas.org is possible phishing site
[20:11] <wxl> ..but that's for offtopic.. :D
[20:11] <KM0201> bioterror: yeah, its been doing that, they're up in arms at #freenas about it, trying to get it resolved
[20:11] <wxl> i like unix but i think i'm kind of over it
[20:11] <KM0201> its safe though
[20:13]  * wxl DOES have a lot of respect for NetBSD tho (of course it runs NetBSD!)
[20:14] <KM0201> wxl: well, for me, part o the appeal of OVM, is that it's based on debian, which i'm much more familiar w/, as opposed to Freenas/BSD
[20:15] <wxl> i spent a long time messing with unix so it is not unfamiliar to me but there's a lot more support, i feel, with linux, and frankly i think there's a lot of infastructure that's just more intuitive
[20:15] <wxl> also unix tends to be extremely secure and stable but at the cost of limiting newer features/options/drivers/advances/etc.
[20:16] <wxl> in the end, i don't see that as a boon. thought i did once, but nope.
[20:16] <KM0201> yeah
[20:16] <KM0201> off the subject.. but.. how do you reconfigure your source list from command line?
[20:17] <KM0201> like choose a different server for it to check for the index of files
[20:17] <wxl> echo deb | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:17] <wxl> where deb is what you want to add
[20:17] <KM0201> no...
[20:17] <KM0201> thats not what i want
[20:17] <wxl> ok
[20:17] <wxl> acting too quick here :D
[20:17] <wxl> when you say choose, are you saying you want to be presented with a list?
[20:18] <KM0201> no, like for example
[20:18] <wxl> or are you saying you know the server you want to use?
[20:18] <wxl> e.g. change ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu to somewhereelse.localserver.com/ubuntu ?
[20:18] <KM0201> lets say in my repository listing.. i'm using "lug.mtu.edu".. and i want to change to "ftp.usf.edu"  how would i change that for my entire source list from command line
[20:19] <wxl> oh that's where sed is your friend
[20:19] <wxl> of course for you easiest way is nano
[20:19] <KM0201> no, cuz then you' have to retype all that stuff
[20:19] <wxl> well with nano it's like this:
[20:19] <wxl> 1. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:20] <wxl> 2. Ctrl-\
[20:20] <wxl> 3. type lug.mtu.edu
[20:20] <wxl> 4. type ftp.usf.edu
[20:20] <wxl> 5. A
[20:20] <wxl> (for all)
[20:20] <wxl> done
[20:20] <KM0201> i see
[20:20] <wxl> well save and exit and all
[20:20] <wxl> you could use a one liner with sed tho
[20:20] <KM0201> i just thought maybe there was like a "dpkg-reconfigure sources.list
[20:21] <wxl> oh mayhap
[20:21] <wxl> but it's possible you have different mirrors set up for different things
[20:21] <wxl> e.g. security, backports could come from different places
[20:21] <KM0201> hmm
[20:22] <wxl> i know i have more than one server at use in my sources.list
[20:22] <wxl> so if such a command existed, it would be doing a find/replace anyways
[20:22] <wxl> at which point i might as well just use an editor of some kind
[20:23] <KM0201> hmm, i guess
[20:24] <wxl> here's a sed solution: sudo sed -i "s/archive.ubuntu.com/some.other.host.com/g" /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:24] <wxl> one line does it all
[20:24] <wxl> i'd backup sources.list just in case but that should work
[20:25] <wxl> despite loving the command line i still struggle with regex which sed uses
[20:26] <wxl> it works
[20:28] <harryc3> Can anyone answer a question?
[20:28] <wxl> yes
[20:28] <wxl> i just did in fact
[20:28] <harryc3> ha ha thank you.
[20:28] <wxl> you're welcome
[20:28] <wxl> have a nice day :D
[20:30] <wxl> just kidding harryc3
[20:30] <wxl> you can speak freely
[20:30] <wxl> (hopefully)
[20:31] <harryc3> I just bought an hp pavilion amd 64bit computer and cannot get lubuntu, either 64bit or 32 bit to install. At the end of the wubi work, a message appears: "An error occured: Permission denied and then refers me to a log entry for more info, which I cannot find. Any ideas?
[20:33] <morri> by the way is there a thing that newer computer don't like lubuntu?
[20:34] <harryc3> This HP doesn't like lubuntu.
[20:35] <wxl> wubi right
[20:35] <wxl> what is the log entry?
[20:35] <wxl> like what is the reference?
[20:35] <wxl> morri you know you're a silly gander, right?
[20:35] <morri> why?
[20:36] <wxl> ok, nevermind, you're right, newer computers are installed with a special anti-lubuntu chip.
[20:36] <morri> I oncwe tried to boot a lubuntu cd on both a new laptop and another newer laptop and it never booted .
[20:36] <morri> :P
[20:36] <wxl> perhaps bad cd?
[20:37] <wxl> i've had no such issues on this end
[20:37] <morri> used the same on my old pc
[20:37] <morri> i think it may be a graphical issue because that where it fails it fails to go onto the spalsh scvreen
[20:38] <wxl> could be but saying it just doesn't work because it's new is not causation but correlation and likely unrelated
[20:39] <wxl> there ARE sometimes bugs, too
[20:39] <wxl> which only affect certain systems
[20:39] <morri> i am afraid I don't want to try it on a even newer one because it might not work..
[20:39] <wxl> but if you poll a bunch of newer computers, you might not see the problem again
[20:39] <wxl> and in just the same sense a bunch of older computers might have problems where the two you have don't
[20:39] <morri> just because i dlike to see how fast i t would be ^^
[20:40] <wxl> in conclusion, you're a silly gander :D
[20:40] <wxl> meanwhile you still with us harryc3 ?
[20:40] <morri> by the way everytime oi start my pc, it goes into a switch off screen mode(or out of range before the spash screen with the login come on
[20:40] <harryc3> yep
[20:40] <wxl> so what was the log reference?
[20:41] <harryc3> about to ask if there is another way to boot?
[20:41] <wxl> do you have the exact wording?
[20:41] <morri> i am just curious :p
[20:42] <wxl> morri: i put money down on that being a driver issue
[20:42] <morri> yeah must be one exlcusive to lubuntu because there wasnt a problem loading up all the other buntus on the cd
[20:44] <wxl> might be. have you already looked for appropriate drivers? lspci | grep VGA
[20:45] <wxl> wtf wubi uses torrent? does synaptic too????
[20:45] <harryc3> chat crashed
[20:45] <wxl> so'k harryc3
[20:46] <harryc3> bad day
[20:46] <wxl> it's all good
[20:46] <wxl> i just found out wubi uses torrent
[20:46] <wxl> that may be part of the problem
[20:46] <wxl> your firewall(s) may be blocking
[20:46] <wxl> and that log file is likely there but it's hidden so you won't see it in explorer
[20:46] <wxl> navigate it through command prompt and you'll find it
[20:47] <harryc3> hang on
[20:47] <wxl> if you find it, throw it up on pastebin and we'll check it out
[20:47] <wxl> in any case i betcha you won't have these problems if you just run the installer from the live cd (ubiquity) rather than within windows (wubi)
[20:51] <harryc3> what is the windows equivalent of the ls command?
[20:51] <wxl> dir
[20:52] <harryc3> thanks. brings back memories.
[20:52] <wxl> hahaha no crap
[20:54] <harryc3> I can see the file. How do I get it to print it?
[20:54] <wxl> you could also look at folder options or whatever in explorer
[20:54] <wxl> turn off hiding
[20:55] <harryc3> where do I turn off hiding
[20:55] <harryc3> ?
[20:56] <wxl> explorer > tools > folder options > view tab > files and folders > hidden files and folders > show hidden files and folders
[20:57] <wxl> you could also notepad file
[20:57]  * wxl is full of options
[20:58] <wxl> then once you're in notepad, select all, copy, open pastebin.com, paste, click submit and give me the url
[20:58] <wxl> for linux thereis a nice little program called pastebinit
[20:58] <wxl> e.g. cat file | pastebinit
[20:59] <wxl> you need some retarded gui piece of shit for winblows :D
[21:01] <bioterror> wxl, or just press h -letter in pcmanfm ;)
[21:06] <wxl> hmmm??
[21:07] <wxl> wtf you talking about bioterror ?
[21:07] <bioterror> oh that was windows hidden files :D
[21:07] <bioterror> and btw. !language ;)
[21:07] <wxl> oh bahg
[21:07] <harryc3> back again. mIRC keeps losing you.
[21:08] <wxl> wtf = what the flipperdoodle
[21:08] <wxl> mIRC = barf
[21:08] <harryc3> what were you saying abot the alternative to wubi?
[21:08] <bioterror> Gentoo is a good alternative to Wubi
[21:08] <wxl> well if you use the live cd and boot to it (don't let it boot to windows), then there's a graphical installer called ubiquity
[21:09] <wxl> as wubi uses torrent that may be causing you problems
[21:10] <bioterror> wubi is like BeOS 5 or what was it
[21:10] <harryc3> right now the system is not offering a disk boot option. How do I defeat the hidden bios?
[21:11] <wxl> awww that depends on your system/bios
[21:11] <wxl> it should show you something at the beginning
[21:11] <wxl> start banging f-keys :D
[21:11] <bioterror> usually F2
[21:11] <bioterror> or when using HP, F10
[21:11] <bioterror> sometimes might be del -key
[21:12] <harryc3> lemme try that. thanks so much to you guys. f10 is my starting point since this is an hp. I'll be back.
[21:12] <wxl> see you soon :D
[21:13] <bioterror> F9 is boot menu on HP's ;)
[21:13] <bioterror> oh well
[21:13] <bioterror> (I have to deal with hp's at work every day)


[00:10] <holstein> this came in on the xubuntu list
[00:10] <holstein> I'm an avid user of Ubuntu Studio, however customized to run with Xubuntu desktop.
[00:10] <holstein> Is there a xubuntu-studio in the works?  I'd be very interested in this, including participating the packaging, developement, and testing.  I already have a working prototype :P
[00:12] <ScottL> yay!  send him an email to join the channel :)
[00:16] <holstein> ScottL: i replied... we'll see
[00:23] <ailo> holstein, I hear it's becoming windy around your parts
[00:23] <holstein> ailo: nah
[00:23] <holstein> not yet
[00:24] <holstein> im really far from the coast though
[00:24] <holstein> like 9 hours from there by car
[00:24] <ailo> Just read about this girl Irene on the news
[01:32] <ScottL> i really hope we get an image to test tomorrow
[02:14] <falktx_> I'm all about to create a new ubuntu bug -> "Unity is too buggy to use"
[02:14] <falktx_> :)
[02:15] <falktx_> but I guess I should wait for final release, then report that bug
[02:15] <falktx_> ScottL: hey there, I'm planning to do something you might be interested/happy with
[02:16] <ScottL> falktx_, what is that?
[02:16] <holstein> lol
[02:16] <falktx_> to make it easy to users to use linux, I want to create a full from-install->full-setup tutorial series
[02:16] <ScottL> falktx_, yes, i do like that :)
[02:17] <falktx_> I will first document what distro to use, etc, and I would really like to recommend 11.10 US for the install
[02:17]  * falktx_ hopes UbuntuStudio succeeds to have a Oneiric ISO
[02:17] <falktx_> basically, users should install US 11.10, add the selected repos, and make a few tweaks
[02:18] <falktx_> ScottL: I just want to say that I really want to see US coming on time for Oneiric
[02:18] <falktx_> kde, unity and gnome are failing for musicians
[02:18] <falktx_> and Xubuntu brings too much unnedded stuff
[02:19] <falktx_> so, UbuntuStudio seems the best choice possible
[02:19] <falktx_> (or a custom net-install +install-what-you-want, like Arch does)
[02:20] <falktx_> ScottL: are you ok with me recommending US +KXStudio stuff, right?
[02:23] <falktx_> wow, someone is uploading to my PPAs, someone that are not part of the team!
[02:23] <falktx_> wtf? launchpad bugs???
[02:23] <falktx_> here - https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/hydrogen/
[02:24] <falktx_> ^ that ppa has only hydrogen inside, but somehow other people uploaded new packages, people that are not in the kx-team
[02:24]  * falktx_ reports bug
[02:25] <falktx_> holstein: did you ever saw anything like this ^?
[02:26] <holstein> falktx_: whats the deal?
[02:26] <falktx_> holstein: check the page, https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/hydrogen
[02:26] <holstein> thats not you?
[02:26] <falktx_> holstein: do you see 'luminance' in there?
[02:26] <holstein> you didnt upload 4 minutes ago?
[02:27] <holstein> falktx_: i dont see luminance
[02:27] <falktx_> holstein: please check this link
[02:27] <falktx_> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/hydrogen/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[02:29] <falktx_> holstein: anything suspicious there?
[02:30] <holstein> falktx_: yeah
[02:30] <holstein> dhor uploaded
[02:30] <falktx_> ah, so you see it
[02:30] <holstein> amr
[02:30] <holstein> yeah, i see it there
[02:30] <holstein> thats odd
[02:30] <falktx_> holstein: thay ppa should only have hydrogen stuff...
[02:30] <falktx_> how did this happened?
[02:30]  * falktx_ is already in #launchpad
[02:31] <holstein> :/
[02:33] <falktx_> did someone copied them by mistake?
[02:33] <holstein> maybe
[02:33] <holstein> lets hope
[02:34] <falktx_> yes, because if not...
[02:34] <falktx_> it's a launchpad bug... it's very serious
[02:34] <falktx_> *if it's
[02:37] <falktx_> it seems to be multimedia content... maybe it was really a mistake?
[02:38] <falktx_> all uploads are copies for natty
[02:38] <falktx_> ScottL: ping
[02:38] <ScottL> falktx_, hello, yes?
[02:39]  * falktx_ repastes
[02:40] <falktx_> ScottL: are you ok with me recommending US +KXStudio stuff, right?
[02:40] <ScottL> i suppose so
[02:41] <falktx_> ScottL: please note that I don't want to stand in US way, I just wanna help
[02:42] <falktx_> since US official repos is a hard thing, kxstudio may help there
[02:42] <falktx_> plus, I can throw my own software there
[02:45] <falktx_> ScottL: if US gets an oneiric backports ppa, I'm here to help in that
[02:55] <falktx_> holstein: found it, Dick from dreamstudio copied those packages, probably by mistake
[03:01] <holstein> falktx_: OH
[03:01] <holstein> thats not so bad then
[03:02] <falktx_> yep
[03:02] <falktx_> holstein: I will have a word with him though ;)
[03:02] <holstein> hehe
[03:06] <falktx_> heh, this really scared me here
[03:07] <falktx_> hm, I never heard of him again, I wonder what happened...
[03:08] <falktx_> I know he was working on a new cinelerra skin, that would be really nice to have
[03:10] <falktx_> anyway, 4am here, time to sleep
[03:10] <falktx_> cya
[03:24] <craigs63> Good evening all.
[03:28] <holstein> craigs63: hello
[03:29] <craigs63> I'm new to the group and very rusty at IRC, other than that, rareing to go!
[03:30] <holstein> craigs63: welcome :)
[03:31] <holstein> you joined the mailing lists?
[03:31] <craigs63> yeah, the devel and the user one. I haven't yet looked at the archives.
[03:31] <holstein> craigs63: you'll catch up in here... i just wanted to make sure
[03:32] <craigs63> I have changed a couple of typos in the wiki docs, I figure that's as good as a place to start, as any.
[04:42] <craigs63> "The Ubuntu Studio development team regularly meets on the second Sunday of every month at 17:00UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net"
[04:42] <craigs63> Is this supposed to say "first Sunday"?
[11:17] <falktx> just noticed new seed about software center removed
[11:17] <falktx> is synaptic there to replace it?
[11:17] <falktx> if not, it should be
[11:27] <falktx> astraljava: ^?
[11:28] <astraljava> falktx: Good point. Didn't think it through, I just needed to get the s-center out due to it's gnome dependencies.
[11:30] <falktx> yep, I was <not-sure-what-to-put-here> when I saw it, cause it meant US had software center
[11:31] <astraljava> falktx: Actually, it's still there.
[11:31] <astraljava> jaska@lagavulin 14:30:58 ~/src/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric$ sgrep synapt .
[11:31] <astraljava> ./desktop:85: * (synaptic)               # default GUI package manager
[11:32] <falktx> ah, nice, astraljava, I just wanted to make sure
[11:33] <falktx> synaptic is a nice tool, and a must have
[11:33] <astraljava> Nah, aptitude's way better, along with apt-[cache|file]. :D
[11:46] <falktx> astraljava: no, aptitude no longer works fine after the multilib thing
[11:46] <falktx> astraljava: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768
[11:49] <falktx> bbl
[11:50] <astraljava> Ooohhh nnnoooooo...
[11:51] <astraljava> I better catch up with micahg for that one.
[13:23] <ckontros> Boo11
[13:23] <ckontros> !! rather
[13:23] <holstein> ckontros: o/
[13:25]  * ckontros is here to dedicate ~8hrs to tinkering. I was gonna look over the *-settings pkg and see if I can drop in our GNOME layout using XFCE. I know I /can/ do it. Just gotta see where things are at.
[13:25] <holstein> cool
[13:25] <holstein> astraljava: ping
[13:25]  * ckontros fires up VMware.
[13:25] <falktx> ckontros: using the same US gnome layout but for XFCE?
[13:26] <falktx> ie, top menu +window list ?
[13:26] <ckontros> For now, yes.
[13:28] <ckontros> Anyone know if latest Xubuntu disks are building? I figure using that would be the best was to make sure things work.
[14:19] <scott-work> co
[14:19] <scott-work> hmm, cory left
[14:19] <scott-work> hi abogani :)
[14:30] <abogani> scott-work, Hi! :-)
[15:20] <ckontros> astraljava: msg me when you're around.
[20:09] <falktx> hm, I just had a crazy idea...
[20:09] <falktx> fork unity-2d!
[20:09] <falktx> it's Qt, so I know that to do
[20:10] <falktx> and there's old code for u-remixes that can be reused
[20:10] <falktx> for me, it sounds like a cool project for after oneiric release... :)
[22:49] <ScottL> heh, i'm asking in #ubuntu-release about moving to a one year release cycle
[22:49] <ScottL> hope it goes well and my head isn't bitten off ;)
[23:01]  * astraljava is not gonna have much time until Sunday evening, so don't panic if I won't respond until. I'll read the backlog.
[23:03] <ScottL> astraljava, cory was working on the porting of our desktop to xfce and wanted you for some reason, don't know exactly
[23:06] <astraljava> Yeah, sent him an email.
[23:06] <astraljava> We could move to one year release cycle, for sure, but only after 12.04.
[23:06] <ScottL> right, that is what i said as well
[23:07] <ScottL> i haven't really received a "formal" response but there has been banter that doesn't preclude it and suggests ways for this to happen
[23:09] <astraljava> Alright. Well, I'll read the log on Sunday. Got friends over, so I'll be busy until they leave.
[23:11] <ScottL> have fun :)


[00:02] <__Myst__> brainwash: told me to do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[00:02] <__Myst__> updated the alternative
[00:02] <__Myst__> nothing changed
[00:03] <brainwash> doesn't sound like it should have any effect
[00:03] <brainwash> if you use the Xfce session
[00:39] <ninebits> i seem to be unable to install xubuntu over lubuntu. I've created a usb drive with the installer, place it in the lubuntu machine's usb port, and restart, but it doesn't boot into xubuntu. are there common mistakes people make when doing this?
[00:42] <brainwash> ninebits: did you check if the usb drive is detected in the bios/uefi?
[00:43] <ninebits> i have been messing around in bios, but i'm a bit scared of it
[00:43] <ninebits> i may be trying to be too careful
[00:43] <brainwash> I guess you probably did to ensure that the boot priority is correct
[00:43] <ninebits> well, in my bios, i don't really see a boot priority
[00:44] <ninebits> you're talking about CD-ROM, USB, HardDrive, etc... right?
[00:44] <brainwash> yes
[00:44] <ninebits> ya, i'm not seeing anything like that in my bios.
[00:44] <ninebits> crazy.
[00:45] <ninebits> i'm going to reboot into bios and make some notes.
[00:45] <brainwash> got any other PC?
[00:46] <ninebits> ya, i'll get my daughters' and see if i can get hexchat going there
[00:46] <ninebits> bbiab
[05:58] <ilias_gr> hi all. I am on xubuntu 18.04.2. Sometimes (not always) after the system starts I see on my panel 2 icons of nm aplet. One for Status Notifier Plugin and one for Notification Area. Other times only the icon for Status Notifier Plugin was shown. I read about this issue affecting other users too. Is there any permanent solution instead of just restart the panel (xfce4-panel -r) which works but not permanently?
[08:57] <nikolam> Thunar dies if I drag-and-drop image form Thunar to the Thunderbird session, Thunderbird started with ssh -X , as another user on machine.
[15:14]  * pikapika diogenes_
[15:14]  * diogenes_ roger that pikapika :)
[15:15] <pikapika> :)
[15:19] <spyke581> Is it possible to add an afp network share to the fstab? Or any other way to mount an AFP share on boot?
[15:24] <GridCube> spyke581: https://stackoverflow.org/wiki/Mount_an_AFP_share_from_Linux
[15:24] <GridCube> but that's not like official or anything
[15:24] <GridCube> so if you do that you're on your own
[15:25] <GridCube> in any case if that works you just need to make that a script that executes when you boot, not in fstab but still
[15:26] <spyke581> alright ill check it out. thanks
[15:30] <supersoniczeus> hi, I have an issue on XUBUNTU 18.04. Can anyone help me, please?
[15:30] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, would you let us guess what the issue is?
[15:31] <supersoniczeus> thank you. I recently updated my xubuntu to 18.04 and during FIRST startup the mouse lags; I have to reboot my system to make work as expected
[15:32] <supersoniczeus> I have do this always ... it's annoying
[15:32] <supersoniczeus> I tried to find info around, then I decided to join the channel
[15:32] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, your mouse and what about the touchpad?
[15:33] <supersoniczeus> It's a desktop PC, it haven't a touchpad
[15:33] <brainwash> did you try a simple relog?
[15:33] <supersoniczeus> The problem occours first the login
[15:34] <brainwash> or un+replugging the mouse
[15:34] <supersoniczeus> during startup the XUBUNTU label is not rendered properly
[15:35] <supersoniczeus> I think it's not about the mouse, but something related to graphics driver or so on
[15:36] <brainwash> probably
[15:37] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, have you got nvidia proprietary installed?
[15:37] <supersoniczeus> Rebooting the system (not halting!) resolves the issue, but every morning I have to do the same
[15:37] <supersoniczeus> No proprietary driver
[15:38] <brainwash> I would compare the output of "dmesg" and Xorg related log files in /var/log/
[15:39] <brainwash> bad boot vs. good boot
[15:41] <supersoniczeus> What I have to search for? Unfortunately I am not so experienced!
[15:42] <brainwash> differences I guess
[15:42] <Axzercion> in the xorg logs any line that contains (EE)
[15:43] <brainwash> mainly lines which address gpu initialization and driver loading
[15:44] <brainwash> you can share the files here also
[15:44] <brainwash> via https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> well, in Xorg.0.log I see:
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> [    28.071] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> [    28.071] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 26 09:16:19 2019
[15:44] <supersoniczeus> [    28.146] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[15:45] <brainwash> --> https://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <supersoniczeus> pardon, this is my first IRC session. I paste another content here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RyxyD9h5TB/
[15:50] <brainwash> looks like some generic output
[15:51] <brainwash> like said before, best to compare the file and output of "dmesg" from the two different states (bad boot and good boot)
[15:52] <supersoniczeus> Ah okay, I will try to perform comparison
[15:53] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, you could albo try to boot a previous kernel.
[15:55] <supersoniczeus> diogenes_, how can I do that?
[15:56] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, while booting keep shift key pressed down and once you reach grub menu, hit advanced and you gonna see several kernels to boot from
[15:56] <diogenes_> chose the one with the minor version
[15:58] <supersoniczeus> okay. Saying that it works, what I have to do next?
[15:58] <diogenes_> to lock down that kernel and make it default
[15:58] <supersoniczeus> okay
[15:59] <supersoniczeus> I am going to try this and going also to understand better the dmesg and xorg output. Thanks for now guys
[15:59] <diogenes_> ok good luck
[16:00] <diogenes_> come with a feedback
[16:00] <supersoniczeus> okay! Thanks!
[16:30] <supersoniczeus> diogenes_, brainwash: thanks again for the help. I uninstalled the new kernel and now it works like a charm!
[16:31] <diogenes_> supersoniczeus, so it was the kernel issue?
[16:32] <supersoniczeus> I don't know if it was strictly related, but now it works properly. I made several tries, and I confirm that the problem occurred after a system update
[16:33] <supersoniczeus> now, my quiestion is: what will happen on the next system update?
[16:33] <diogenes_> so you went back to use the older kernel?
[16:33] <diogenes_> the system udate will not harm but the kernel might
[16:34] <supersoniczeus> yes, I wen back to old kernel linux-image-4.15.0-45
[16:34] <supersoniczeus> the problem was with linux-image-4.15.0-46
[16:35] <diogenes_> right so as for now skip updates
[16:35] <supersoniczeus> is it possible to update and jump the linux-image-4.15.0-46? Or does xubuntu adopt an incremental update?
[16:35] <diogenes_> until the kernel passes that particular version
[16:35] <GridCube> oor try the next one instead
[16:36] <supersoniczeus> yeah, I got it
[16:36] <supersoniczeus> thanks again guys
[16:36] <supersoniczeus> Have a nice day
[16:50] <xubuntu70w> hi, i installed xubuntu core via the ubuntu mini.iso. I want to theme xfce like it appears at default, but the xubuntu core package doesn't include xfce's standard themes. where can I install them?
[16:56] <diogenes_> xubuntu70w, in synaptic, look for themes.
[17:02] <xubuntu70w> diogenes_ not seeing a package for the default xfce4 themes
[17:05] <xubuntu70w> diogenes_ I'm looking for the themes at the bottom of the list in first screenshot on this page https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance
[17:08] <Spass> xubuntu70w, I think those themes weren't upgraded in a long time, so it probably isn't a best choice for new Xubuntu / Xfce
[17:08] <Spass> maybe try Adwaita or Greybird instead?
[17:10] <xubuntu70w> spass I like the 'retro' look of the older xfce themes
[17:11] <xubuntu70w> spass I found two packages in synaptic titled gtk2-engines-xfce and gtk3-engines-xfce, are those what I am looking for
[17:11] <Spass> probably yes
[17:11] <xubuntu70w> I don't want to download something that's not in the ubuntu repository
[17:12] <xubuntu70w> spass what's the difference between gtk2 and gtk3 and how does they differ in regard to the xubuntu core DE?
[17:12] <Spass> Adwaita, Greybird and Numix are in the official repositories
[17:12] <xubuntu70w> i trust xfce's own repository as well
[17:17] <Spass> basically most new applications are using GTK3, so they may not look good on an older/deprecated themes, like those you want, but nothing is stopping you from using those of course, I'm just saying that you may see some issues
[17:20] <xubuntu70w> ok thanks
[17:22] <xubuntu70w> spass: but xfce is primarily gtk2 correct?
[17:24] <Spass> currently Xfce is being ported to GTK3, but 18.04 LTS has Xfce version 4.12, so not many programs are GTK3 there
[17:24] <Spass> so depends on what version do you have installed, 18.04 or 18.10?
[17:27] <xubuntu70w> spass 18.04
[17:29] <Spass> so you should be fine in most cases, but if you'll see an app that looks not ok, that could mean that it's a GTK3 app (like GNOME Disks for example) and new theme is required to display it properly, you have to try on your own I guess
[17:29] <xubuntu70w> ok, I'll try gtk2-engines-xfce and see if that works
[17:29] <Spass> anyway, Adwaita, Numix and/or Greybird are themes, that you could have as a backup
[17:53] <sm0rux> From today I get an error message (https://send.firefox.com/download/84e917f0a1/#IOZvfeMnFIqhXrB-8eRZXg) each time
[17:55] <sm0rux> I restart my laptop. When I click "Report problem" nothing happens. How can I find out what cases the message?
[18:05] <Spass> sm0rux, see what's in your /var/crash/ folder, it should tell you what's causing the problem
[18:05] <Spass> then, you can try to delete files within it and restart
[18:09] <sm0rux> Spass: Thanks a zillion, highly appreciated! I'll give your advice a try!
[18:16] <sm0rux> Spass: Your advice seems to work. Again I'm so impressed by the power of all you guys in this channel!
[18:17] <Spass> good to hear
[18:20] <sm0rux> Spass: Thank you for your help!
[18:20] <Spass> glad that my hint helped in your case
[22:07] <johanhelmuth> Hey, do you guys know any pre-install software on a new installation that is known to "break" the system if removed, even though the name and description of the software sounds/look unrelated to anything that would be considered "unsafe" to remove? I just installed Xubuntu, removed a lot of bloaty software that wouldn't need, tried to make sure that I would only remove software that seemed unrelated
[22:07] <johanhelmuth> to anything important (based on name and description), yet it completely broke my system.
[22:07] <johanhelmuth> Tried to look for a compiled list online for pointers, but couldn't find anything really.
[22:26] <gnrp> johanhelmuth: What is "completely broken"?
[22:26] <gnrp> it is difficult to determine your judgement of "useful sounding software" ;)
[22:28] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, you are right. A second glance at my text and I realize no useful information was in there, sorry about that. :P
[22:32] <Spass> johanhelmuth, hello, I think I saw a related thread somewhere lately, and the solution was to install xfdesktop again, iirc, can't find it now
[22:32] <johanhelmuth> So after removing games, application finder, bluetooth adapters/manager, catfish, dictionary, mail reader, onboard, onboard settings, parole, power manager (i'm using a desktop, not a laptop, not useful for me?), ristretto - after reboot and then login, no desktop or anything shows up. I can only see my background, no panel, no desktop-menu (righ-click) no nothing.
[22:32] <Spass> it was probably about thunderbird
[22:33] <Spass> do you see your mouse cursor?
[22:33] <johanhelmuth> Yes I do
[22:33] <johanhelmuth> The only thing I see
[22:33] <Spass> yeah, check if you have xfdesktop installed
[22:33] <johanhelmuth> Well, problem is that I reinstalled everything, haha
[22:34] <johanhelmuth> I just haven't removed anythign this time around, yet
[22:34] <Spass> did you remove thunderbird last time?
[22:34] <johanhelmuth> I did actually, yeah!
[22:34] <johanhelmuth> That's annoying, since I prefer Mailspring over Thunderbird >:(
[22:34] <Spass> hmm, so maybe I remember that correctly then, I need to find the exact thread
[22:36] <johanhelmuth> Also, I have to say, the amount of games I have installed by default is pretty ridiculous, haha. :D
[22:36] <Spass> here, but I've seen another one too, https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/awfvzr/why_does_removing_mail_reader_remove_the_desktop/
[22:37] <johanhelmuth> Thanks!
[22:37] <johanhelmuth> Ooh! I removed mail reader as well as thunderbird last time
[22:37] <johanhelmuth> Maybe removing Thunderbird is fine, but not mail reader?
[22:40] <Spass> I'm not sure what exact package causes the issue unfortunately, but yeah, mail reader/thunderbird is the suspect here
[22:42] <johanhelmuth> I will remove and reboot one at a time, will see which one it is that messes it up
[22:42] <Spass> you're using 18.04?
[22:45] <brainwash> mail reader is not a mail reader, but a shortcut to your preferred mail reader (provided by the essential component "exo")
[22:46] <brainwash> same for "web browser"
[22:47] <Spass> another report of the same issue - https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/b4jlwy/xubuntu_in_netbook_problems/ej7vmc3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
[22:48] <brainwash> I did not check the reddit posts, but it's bug 1783764
[22:53] <Spass> johanhelmuth, so you probably was using Software (gnome-software) to remove those apps too, right?
[22:56] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, I'm using "Software 3.28.1" to remove
[22:57] <johanhelmuth> Would you say that apt remove/autoremove is more reliable?
[22:59] <brainwash> the cli way forces the user to look up information and also shows exactly what is being removed
[23:00] <Unit193> johanhelmuth: Much.
[23:01] <johanhelmuth> Alright, won't use the gui for it then, thanks!
[23:18] <johanhelmuth> Spass: So uninstalling Thunderbird went just fine now with apt autoremove, no issues at login. Not sure if that was the initial issue, but yeah.
[23:18] <johanhelmuth> Thanks for the help everyone.
[23:21] <Spass> johanhelmuth, the issue was that "Mail Reader" shouldn't be visible in the Software application, removing that removes some important packages with it
[23:21] <Spass> I can recommend you using Synaptic to manage your packages in GUI
[23:22] <Spass> it's in the repos (sudo apt install synaptic)
[23:22] <Spass> it's very reliable
[23:23] <Spass> and shows you more info
[23:23] <johanhelmuth> Sounds much better, yeah
[23:23] <Spass> I use it very often to search for a specific package etc.
[23:24] <Unit193> Synaptic shows you more detail, but if you're into the whole 'snaps' thing it won't do much for you as it doesn't handle those.


[06:05] <xnox> should not this build be killed? https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1583899
[06:05] <xnox> looks stuck to me
[06:09] <wgrant> xnox: Probably. But the i386 build queue is short now, so it can probably wait until Monday.
[06:09] <xnox> wgrant, hmmmmm looks like the build recovered.... nevermind =)
[06:10] <xnox> wgrant, it's just like there 9 out 10 chances that openening builders page you see chromium or firefox building ;-)
[06:10] <wgrant> xnox: At this time of day, yeah.
[06:10] <wgrant> We're about to start working on a solution to that -- to keep the daily builds on a separate set of builders.
[06:11] <wgrant> So they can't cause 30 hour build queues for everyone else.
[06:11] <xnox> wgrant, what is this time? is 6AM UTC special?
[06:11] <xnox> wgrant, aha =) that would be nice
[06:11] <wgrant> xnox: Whatever time the manual daily build scripts run.
[06:12] <xnox> wgrant, hmmmm =/  they should randomise or at least pick the time which is less busy
[06:12] <wgrant> Also, daily builds should soon be done entirely within LP itself (currently there's an external script that uploads them at the same time every day), so it will be able to schedule them more sanely.
[06:12] <xnox> well now it's not that busy
[06:12] <wgrant> This is the time which is less busy.
[06:13] <xnox> yeah =) well I hope I'll be awake to build my packages cause they depend on each other so I can't just upload now and come back tomorrow
[06:13] <wgrant> xnox: Have you considered using versioned build dependencies?
[06:13] <wgrant> LP will automatically retry builds once their dependencies become available.
[06:13] <xnox> hmmm interesting =) should have done that
[06:14] <xnox> thanks for the tip
[06:14] <xnox> I'll go and create source packages again then
[06:21] <xnox> wgrant, also it might be interesting to prioritise development release builds vs current & supported
[06:22] <wgrant> xnox: Which would be preferred?
[06:23] <xnox> development release of course
[06:23] <wgrant> Why?
[06:23] <chirag> hi all
[06:24] <chirag> I created my PGP key and published it to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[06:24] <xnox> because it means people are testing their software to work with development release ubuntu and hence newer gcc and etc. So by doing this you help upstream to develop & ubuntu to be better
[06:24] <chirag> but still it says that Launchpad could not import your key
[06:24] <xnox> unless PPA is considered a user for users place
[06:25] <chirag> any help?
[06:25] <xnox> chirag, you need to copy & paste your public key into launchpad box
[06:25] <wgrant> chirag: What is your key's fingerprint?
[06:25] <xnox> as far as I remember
[06:25] <wgrant> xnox: No; it just needs the fingerprint.
[06:25] <xnox> wgrant, ok =)
[06:25] <chirag> xnox: yes I copy pasted the fingerprint in the box
[06:25]  * xnox will shut up now and let the expert talk
[06:26] <chirag> wgrant: D521 C39A 8166 DA96 6C5A  DE2D 8D6D 8AC2 0651 18B0
[06:28] <chirag> wgrant: I published the key in keyserver.ubuntu.com 30 minutes ago
[06:28] <chirag> still it is not taking the fingerprint
[06:28] <wgrant> wgrant@magrathea:~/dev/hello-2.4$ gpg --recv-key 0x065118B0
[06:28] <wgrant> gpg: requesting key 065118B0 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[06:28] <wgrant> gpg: key 065118B0 was created 5218 seconds in the future (time warp or clock problem)
[06:28] <wgrant> Your clock is wrong, so your key is bad.
[06:29] <wgrant> It might work if you try again in two hours, however.
[06:29] <chirag> wgrant: so I need to create it again?
[06:29] <wgrant> chirag: How did you create it?
[06:30] <chirag> Applications>Accessories>Password and Encryption keys
[06:30] <wgrant> It appears to be both created in the future and be 768-bit D/g, which is probably not valid.
[06:30] <chirag> yes my system clock is wrong
[06:31] <wgrant> chirag: Did you change any of the settings in the key generation process? Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[06:31] <chirag> wgrant: I am using 9.10
[06:31] <chirag> No I didn't change any settings
[06:37] <chirag> wgrant: done! :)
[06:37] <chirag> wgrant: thanks for the help :-)
[06:38] <wgrant> chirag: What's done?
[06:38] <chirag> wgrant: I successfully imported the key
[06:39] <wgrant> chirag: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=Chirag%20Jain&op=vindex shows that you have four active keys. You should probably revoke the three that you're not using and push them to the server.
[06:39] <wgrant> Particularly the oone that was created in the future, since that's actually newer than the latest one you've just created.
[06:40] <chirag> wgrant: how to do that?
[06:42] <wgrant> chirag: See http://www.hackdiary.com/2004/01/18/revoking-a-gpg-key/
[07:15] <bilalakhtar> Hello everyone looks like loggerhead is not working
[11:14] <ari-tczew> I have added ssh-key on my LP page and I can't work with bzr
[11:14] <ari-tczew> Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[11:20] <wgrant> ari-tczew: You've run 'bzr launchpad-login' and specified the correct username?
[11:21] <ari-tczew> wgrant: my username is correct with LP
[11:22] <wgrant> ari-tczew: SSH is using the correct public key file?
[11:22] <wgrant> Er, private key file.
[11:22] <ari-tczew> wgrant: should be OK
[11:23] <ari-tczew> private key?
[11:23] <ari-tczew> public is correct
[11:23] <wgrant> ari-tczew: You have the matching private key on that machine, right?
[11:25] <ari-tczew> wgrant: I think yes, private key is in file ~/.ssh/ssh-launchpad
[11:25] <wgrant> ari-tczew: You've configured SSH to use that file?
[11:26] <wgrant> It should only use id_rsa and id_dsa by default.
[11:26] <ari-tczew> wgrant: I don't know o_O
[11:26] <ari-tczew> wgrant: I don't have files id_rsa or id_dsa
[11:27] <wgrant> ari-tczew: Try renaming ssh-launchpad to id_rsa.
[11:27] <ari-tczew> wgrant: does ssh-launchpad.pub file need renaming as well?
[11:28] <wgrant> ari-tczew: It's not important to SSH, but it's good to keep consistency.
[11:30] <ari-tczew> wgrant: it works! thanks!
[11:30] <wgrant> ari-tczew: Excellent.
[11:31] <ari-tczew> wgrant: second question: actually I have 2 ssh-keys on my LP page - old and fresh, can I delete old key?
[11:32] <wgrant> ari-tczew: If you no longer use it, you can delete it.
[11:36] <ari-tczew> thanks
[12:26] <lfaraone|really> It looks like in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42144045/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-ia64.debian-edu-artwork_0.0.30-4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz the package built but the buildd failed on dpkg-genchanges, with a " cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" error.
[13:48] <tumbleweed> anyone here use tarmac? I could use some advice
[14:41] <elb> Hi ... I'm having trouble uploading a PPA, but all the possible problem reports I see suggest an unknown GPG key (the key is listed in my lp profile) or missing signature (the .changes file verifies with that key using gpg --verify); the symptom is that an uploaded package neither generates a launchpad email nor shows up on the PPA.  Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong?
[14:52] <theadmin> Quick question, how do i stop Launchpad from notifiying me when I change something in a subscribed thing? I mean... seriously now, i changed it, i know that I did, no need for notifications
[15:12] <geser> if I'm not mistaken, you can't currently but IIRC there is also a wishlist bug about it
[15:13] <elb> OK, I think my problem is sort-of-solved; it appears that the selection of launchpad notification email address matters (?)
[15:15] <geser> elb: does your LP page list that gpg key belong to you?
[15:15] <elb> geser: yes, the key is listed as belonging to me, as I said in the original question, and the address on the key is also listed on my LP page
[15:15] <elb> it was not, however, my selected contact address
[15:16] <elb> when I selected it and re-uploaded, I immediately got an email
[15:16] <elb> that's not ideal, but I can work with it
[15:16] <geser> interesting
[15:16] <elb> now ... I created this PPA on hardy, so I set its distro to hardy
[15:16] <elb> but it should build on everything >= hardy
[15:17] <elb> will the PPA system do so for me, or do I need to upload different versions for each distro, or what?
[15:18] <elb> it's likely that any distro >= hardy can install the hardy packages directly, actually, in this case
[15:18] <geser> elb: the later, you need to bump the version slightle (e.g. by appending karmic or similar to the version) and reupload (the .orig.tar.gz can be reused and doesn't need re-uploading)
[15:18] <geser> depending on the type of application you have, it might be also enough to copy source+binaries to the other releases
[15:19] <elb> it's binutils
[15:19] <elb> and the only dependencies are libc and libz
[15:20] <geser> but the resulting dependencies will most likely be different
[15:21] <geser> the only way to know is to test if the package works as-is in >= hardy and if yes then copy else reupload
[15:21] <elb> yeah, I'll test it
[15:21] <elb> binutils doesn't use anything super fancy
[15:21] <elb> since it does the whole compile-my-own-support-crap-as-.a thing
[15:22] <elb> next time I have an upload, I'll also try changing my email back to my preferred contact email, and see if the upload succeeds
[15:22] <elb> I'd rather not have to dance my contact info to use different PPAs etc.
[16:14] <ZubZer0> I've got a problem. When i trie to change settings e.g. try to accept the BSD license, or choose prefered language, it just say "Launchpad doesn't understand the form data submitted in this request. "
[16:15] <ZubZer0> why?
[16:36] <M7S> Hi. Something seems to have gone wrong with my launchpad account. Whatever I try to do, even when I try to log out I get this error message: "Unexpected form data".
[16:37] <M7S> I'm Matias Särs, msevens.
[16:46] <M7S> Nobody here who can help me with my problem?
[16:51] <crimsun> it's the weekend, so many people are offline
[16:52] <M7S> Ah, I guess I could try again later then.
[18:53] <manish> any launchpad API hacker knows how to form URI for this? https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#languages
[18:54] <manish> wgrant: ^ if you are free
[19:11] <mellhen> there is a serious bug i rekonq 0.4 lucid, which was fixed upstream, i would like to know if itl be fixid in lucid final release? This bug makes rekonq unusable for productive.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/534630
[19:13] <mellhen> its not just google but nearly every website could be affected. (even ubuntu wiki showed "failed to load" and this adblock stuff in terminal.
[19:20] <aapo> Hi, I dumped too much useless packages to my PPA and reached 100% quota. Then I deleted them. How long it takes until I can use space again or should I just make new PPA?
[19:30] <geser> manish: I'm not really an LP API hacker, but perhaps I can still help you. You want to directly load an LP object for a specific language without going through the collection object?
[19:31] <manish> geser: I am trying to connect to https://api.edge.launchpad.net/1.0/languages?ws.op=getAllLanguages
[19:31] <manish> since this is a GET operation mentioned
[19:31] <manish> plus I am passing all the oauth related information in the Authorization header of the HTTP request
[19:32] <manish> geser: the way I am connecting to URI's it works for other collections
[19:32] <manish> geser: I get a 404 for https://api.edge.launchpad.net/1.0/languages?ws.op=getAllLanguages
[19:37] <geser> manish: try with '+' before languages: https://api.edge.launchpad.net/1.0/+languages?ws.op=getAllLanguages
[19:37] <manish> geser: trying
[19:38] <manish> geser: wohohoho
[19:38] <manish> geser: \o/
[19:38] <manish> geser: works. Thanks a lot *hugs*
[19:39] <geser> manish: hint: when doing "import httplib2; httplib2.debuglevel=1" before importing the launchpadlib module, you can see the HTTP requests launchpadlib uses
[19:42] <manish> geser: actually am not using launchpadlib
[19:42] <manish> geser: instead reading the hacking document and writing a .NET wrapper over it
[19:42] <manish> i.e. a .NET client proxy for Launchpad API ( a library initially)
[19:44] <geser> manish: it was meant as a hint to see what launchpadlib sends, so you know you have to send in your .NET client proxy
[19:44] <manish> geser: thanks a lot. will do so..
[20:18] <lfaraone> Can I enable people who are not members of my LP team to subscribe to my team mailing list?
[20:19] <elb> so, suppose I have a bogus .orig.tar.gz file, and I want to replace it ... am I entirely out of luck?
[20:19] <elb> do I need to create a new PPA?
[20:23] <lfaraone> elb: delete the old orig.targz
[20:23] <elb> and how do I do that
[20:24] <elb> I deleted the packages, but the librarian still knows about it, and uploads fail
[20:53] <wgrant> lfaraone, elb: You cannot upload a different orig.tar.gz with the same name.
[20:53] <wgrant> That would be a very confusing lie, so LP forbids it.
[20:53] <elb> right, that makes sense
[20:53] <elb> except the first one is wrong
[20:53] <elb> and I want to destroy it forever
[20:54] <wgrant> Why has your orig.tar.gz changed?
[20:54] <wgrant> That should be impossible, unless it wasn't really an original upstream tarball.
[20:54] <elb> bingo
[20:54] <elb> it contained the original upstream source, but is re-tarred
[20:54] <elb> so the checksums don't match
[20:54] <elb> because the dpkg tools wouldn't package a .bz2
[20:55] <elb> however, upstream provides a .gz
[20:55] <elb> so it makes more sense to use that .gz, which can be verified against upstream's signatures/checksums
[20:55] <wgrant> Retarred, or just recompressed?
[20:57] <elb> retarred
[20:57] <elb> basically, the deal is, I screwed this up
[20:57] <elb> because this is the first time I've made a deb in about fifteen years
[20:57] <elb> and this one requires a little bit of dancing to not conflict with distro-supplied files and package names
[20:58] <elb> I then *fixed* the screwup, by correcting my packaging mistakes, but launchpad has these ghost files hanging around preventing me from updating the PPA
[20:59] <elb> which literally nobody has (or should have) downloaded yet
[20:59] <elb> because of that, I'm not married to this one, so I can just throw it away and create another entire PPA archive if I need to, but that seems wasteful
[20:59] <wgrant> Why not just append +repack1 to the version of the new orig tarball?
[21:00] <wgrant> or +real, or something.
[21:00] <elb> if that's the best we can do, I can do that
[21:00] <elb> I was really hoping for a way to tell lp that the first upload was an abortion, though
[21:01] <wgrant> There is one bug that lets you clobber the orig.tar.gz, but it will result in some slightly strange behaviour and we're about to fix it, so I'd highly recommend just about any other solution in the world.
[21:02] <elb> ok
[21:02] <elb> that's kind of unfortunate
[21:02] <elb> not a huge deal, I guess
[21:02] <wgrant> Is it really that much of a problem to add an extra string to the orig tarball until upstream does another release?
[21:02] <wgrant> That's what we do in Ubuntu when this happens.
[21:02] <elb> it's not a problem, no
[21:02] <elb> it's just dirty
[21:02] <wgrant> Well, what has happened is dirty.
[21:03] <elb> yes, it is
[21:03] <elb> but it can be cleaned up
[21:03] <elb> or rather, logically it can
[21:03] <elb> its sounds like technically it cannot
[21:03] <elb> and that's fine, I understand that things like that happen
[21:04] <elb> I'll figure out how to put a fake version tag on the upstream, and we'll move on
[21:04] <elb> the next release could very well be years, though, we're talking about binutils ;-)
[21:04] <wgrant> Oh. Ew.
[21:05] <elb> yeah
[21:05] <wgrant> They seem to release roughly yearly.
[21:05] <elb> well, sort of
[21:05] <elb> for embedded platforms, once you get one working, you tend to not change things if you don't have to
[21:07] <elb> for example, it looks like I'm going with GCC < 4.4.3, since 4.4.3 doesn't currently build successfully to target this platform ;-)
[21:08] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[21:08] <elb> (ARM Cortex-M3)
[21:08] <elb> but, I see that right now there's actually a binutils-2.20.1 that came out since I fetched 2.20
[21:08] <elb> that seems unlikely to blow anything up, let me give it a stab
[21:09] <wgrant> So, the moral of the story: never recompress tarballs. if you do have to, make sure that you give gzip '-n'.
[21:10] <elb> right
[21:10] <wgrant> If you ever change an orig tarball in a non-trivial way (ie. just about anything other than gzip -n), note that in the version string.
[21:10] <elb> I was pretty disgusted about the whole thing
[21:10] <elb> I idn't realize that debsource was quite as smart as it is
[21:10] <elb> did some jiggering around that I didn't really have to do
[21:10] <wgrant> Also: Karmic and Lucid support the new 3.0 (quilt) and 3.0 (native) formats, which support bz2.
[21:10] <elb> I've used debian-based distros off and on for *years*, but I've hardly packaged at all
[21:11] <elb> what with almost everything always being packaged for me
[21:11] <elb> and it's ... kind of a complicated process ;-)
[21:13] <elb> and, yeah, I see that the newer distros have better support for various things, but I'm packaging from hardy for now
[21:17] <wgrant> elb: Why are you basing on Hardy?
[21:17] <elb> because some of my machines are LTS
[21:17] <elb> they'll become lucid at some point
[21:18] <wgrant> Lucid will be out in a month, and already has an ARM port, and it's even thumb2.
[21:18] <elb> right, the machines aren't ARM
[21:18] <elb> they're x86
[21:18] <wgrant> 08:08:05 < elb> (ARM Cortex-M3)
[21:18] <elb> in a month, that will be relevant to me ;-)
[21:18] <elb> this is a cross-compiler for uCs
[21:19] <wgrant> Ah.
[21:19] <elb> the CM3 is a 6 to 64kB of RAM sort of affair ;-)
[21:19] <wgrant> Shh.
[21:19] <wgrant> Ubuntu will run fine in that :P
[21:19] <elb> and yes, I LOVE it that the Cortex A9 is also thumb2
[21:19] <elb> because it means the tools get a good wring out
[21:20] <elb> just a couple of years ago, getting the gnu tools going on thumb2 was a bit of a kill-a-chicken-and-stand-on-one-foot proposition
[21:20] <elb> now, most releases work without any trouble at all
[21:20] <elb> or at least compile and produce some sort of binary ... whether they're 100% correct or not I can't say ;-)
[21:20] <wgrant> elb: Have you reused the packaging of other binutils or gcc cross-compilers?
[21:21] <wgrant> There are several of each already in Ubuntu, IIRC.
[21:21] <elb> no
[21:21] <elb> I looked at them, and they're all done differently
[21:21] <elb> mostly with more-or-less hideous kludges, as best I could tell
[21:21] <elb> so rather than use someone else's hideous kludge, I built my own
[21:21] <elb> in true NIH fashion ;-)
[21:21] <wgrant> Hmm.
[21:22] <elb> the avr port is probably the "most correct" of the ones I looked at
[21:22] <wgrant> I've not looked at the h8300-hms toolchain's packaging, but the user experience isn't bad.
[21:22] <elb> it uses the system binutils-source package
[21:22] <wgrant> (it's the only one I've used)
[21:22] <wgrant> Ah.
[21:22] <elb> h8300-hms re-tars the upstream sources
[21:22] <elb> I think without change, but I'm not sure
[21:23] <elb> frankly, I wouldn't even make packages, except I'm giving this toolchain to some people who aren't so unix-savvy
[21:23] <elb> and any administration I can do for them will reduce my own burden significantly
[21:31] <elb> and let me tell you what
[21:31] <elb> not *one* of the existing official binutils packages is even close to correct in the copyright department
[21:31] <elb> and I'm not convinced about licensing, either
[21:32] <elb> (in hardy, that is)
[23:35] <getxsick> geser: i fixed that issue with architectures.
[23:36] <getxsick> geser: the solution was simple, upgrade dpkg-dev to newer version :) it's broken in 9.04
[23:42] <wgrant> getxsick: It's not broken in 9.04.
[23:42] <getxsick> wgrant: it is
[23:42] <getxsick> wgrant: do you know the issue i'm talking about?
[23:43] <wgrant> getxsick: I don't.
[23:43] <getxsick> wgrant :)
[23:43] <wgrant> But unless you are doing something incredibly obscure, it's probably not dpkg-dev's fault.
[23:44] <getxsick> wgrant: in debian/control i use only i386 and all architectures, however in .dsc file there is "any"
[23:44] <getxsick> in 9.10 there is no problem with it
[23:45] <wgrant> not really "broken". just a slightly different and well-known behaviour.
[23:46] <getxsick> wgrant: ok. i didn't know about it, and geser suggested that maybe it's a bug. whatever :)
[23:46] <wgrant> Why did you want to restrict it to i386?
[23:47] <getxsick> wgrant: cause we currently only support i386
[23:47] <wgrant> Ah, *there's* the real bug!
[23:47] <getxsick> wgrant ?
[23:47] <wgrant> Why only i386?
[23:48] <getxsick> wgrant: cause it's not easy to support other architectures and seems there are more important priorities
[23:48] <wgrant> It is easy to support other architectures unless you're doing something very special.
[23:49] <getxsick> wgrant: i'm doing something very special
[23:49] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:49] <getxsick> :-)
[23:50] <getxsick> wgrant: http://pypy.org
[23:50] <wgrant> Oh, right.
[23:50] <wgrant> You could just not build the JIT on other archs.
[23:50] <getxsick> uff, innocent? :)
[23:50] <wgrant> But yay, PyPy packages will be awesome.
[23:50] <getxsick> wgrant: that's what i'm gonna add tomorrow
[23:51] <getxsick> just try to avoid of rebuild everything (which takes ~2hours)
[23:51] <wgrant> Yeah, I've built it quite a few times myself.
[23:52] <wgrant> It likes its RAM and CPU time.
[23:52] <getxsick> yeah, 1.5GB of RAM is like a minimum
[23:52] <getxsick> https://launchpad.net/~pypy/
[23:53] <getxsick> btw. we would like to introduce nigthly (or weekly) builds as well, however i have currenly problem with name versioning...
[23:53] <getxsick> what i mean is rejection due to *orig.tar.gz eleready exists
[23:54] <wgrant> getxsick: You should name the orig.tar.gz something like pypy_1.2+svn20100328.orig.tar.gz
[23:55] <getxsick> wgrant: what about debian/changelog? should i add extra line every build?
[23:56] <wgrant> getxsick: You don't necessarily need to preserve all the old entries, but you will need to add a new one for every build.
[23:57] <wgrant> LP will soon be able to do nightly builds itself. But that relies on having a bzr import of the project, and bzr-svn can't deal with svn:externals yet.
[23:57] <wgrant> And PyPy seems to love svn:externals.
[23:57] <getxsick> yeah
[23:58] <getxsick> so i can simple replace the entry from the last build by the newer version number and a new date, right?
[23:58] <wgrant> Exactly.


[20:58] <RavenII> Annnd here I am...towel is thrown in...
[20:58] <RavenII> I keep getting Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[20:58] <RavenII> Fresh install.
[20:58] <RavenII> is there....wait...brb.


[00:28] <Gyzmo> Hi people.
[00:30] <Gyzmo> A strange thing is happening to me: I can't find the /boot/grub/menu.lst or any link to it although I do have a proper grub with multiple OS choices.
[00:32] <Gyzmo> Is there a are paid support.  You may have to wait up to 60 minutes or more for an answer.  You can try !help for instant  help from our friendly bot Zinn
[00:32] <Gyzmo> (shit)
[00:32] <Zinn> Gyzmo: Please watch your language.
[00:32] <Gyzmo> sosorry about that
[00:42] <Gyzmo> I guess I can edit the grub.cfg but that's not proper (it's even read-only).
[02:12] <bllz> Out of nowhere, my mythvideo videos are playing faster than they should...what's the likely cause?
[03:28] <Arpman> Howdy all
[03:30] <Arpman> Can someone explain why the Internal player will not play media? I have a dvd rp iso I just made and a few blue ray rips...everything I read says it should work...
[03:30] <bllzz> My mythvideo and my livetv playback have suddenly started playing in a sort of stuttery mild fastforward... any ideas as to what may be responsible?  here's my frontend log (verbose playback):  http://paste.ubuntu.com/347388/  Please note that this log file only represents an attempt to play an mpeg4 file in mythvideo, not livetv playback
[04:43] <Katie> Hi, hopefully this questions an easy one, I'm trying to make my TV (s-video) be the default output. currently the default is my VGA. the tough part is my GPU doesn't detect the TV until after startup, I have to force detect then force enable through Terminal.
[06:59] <Katie> can someone who is using S-Video as primary display post their xorg.conf I need a comparison for mine.
[09:54] <Katie> I'm trying to figure out how to make my picture centered on my TV, I'm off to the right side of my screen by about 50pixels.
[18:41] <Fleck> hey, where can i find info how to set up mythbuntu and satellite? i have 4 LNBs with diseqc etc...?
[18:41] <Fleck> all tutorials seems to be for T or C cards
[18:41] <Fleck> and where can i find channels.conf
[19:56] <noaXess> hi all. where can i found the mythbuntu repos to add in my kubuntu 9.10 apt sources?
[20:11] <superm1> noaXess, http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[20:11] <superm1> you can find that link from the download url
[20:11] <superm1> all that's in them is newer daily mythtv builds and an nvidia 190 driver
[20:17] <noaXess> superm1: so install the deb package.. on backend and all frontends?
[20:18] <superm1> noaXess, yes the deb package will install all the appropriate repos for you
[20:18] <superm1> and let you pick a mirror
[20:18] <noaXess>  i have kubuntu 9.10 and intstalled the backend from normal sources in kubuntu.. on one frontend i can't install it from normal sources.. see following comments.
[20:18] <noaXess> have problem to install mythtv-frontend on a system that have nvidia-glx-190 installed from vdpau repo.. look here http://paste.ubuntu.com/347721/
[20:19] <superm1> this should help
[20:19] <superm1> because these build against libvdpau
[20:20] <superm1> foxbuntu, how did your tests with the newer libvdpau go and your sandbox? ^
[20:21] <superm1> noaXess, libvdpau didn't exist in karmic so the auto-builds and vdpau ppas introduced it early
[20:21] <foxbuntu> superm1, I havent had my system die since I switched to QT with the new vdpau
[20:22] <superm1> foxbuntu, was doing an experiment with the new libvdpau and nvidia to add them to auto-builds
[20:22] <superm1> foxbuntu, so were you able to cleanly upgrade from karmic to everything on your sandbox PPA?
[20:22] <superm1> if so, then we can add the newer stuff to the auto-builds too
[20:23] <foxbuntu> superm1, let me verify...I didnt load mythtv from there yet
[20:32] <foxbuntu> superm1, we should note on the auto-builds that people using vdpau should also use the QT painter
[20:32] <superm1> i think that should be in the wiki instead at a troubleshooting section
[20:32] <superm1> i'm cleaning up the autobuilds page right now
[20:32] <superm1> it's Way too wordy
[20:32] <superm1> (as it stands)
[20:32] <foxbuntu> well, as long as its somewhere
[20:35] <foxbuntu> superm1, upgraded with no issues from my ppa
[20:35] <foxbuntu> watching recordings on it right now
[20:38] <superm1> cool then push the newer nvidia to the auto builds ppa and the libvdpau from debian there too
[20:49] <noaXess> superm1: so i have installed the auto-build repo.. now?
[20:50] <superm1> go do updates
[20:50] <superm1> and the new builds should be offered to you
[20:50] <noaXess> not really.
[20:51] <noaXess> have now this in my sources.. http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/repos/ubuntu karmic main
[20:51] <noaXess> i can't even install mythtv-frontend
[20:52] <superm1> that's not the source that gets added for 0.22
[20:52] <superm1> you get to choose a mirror
[20:52] <superm1> and the mirror is added to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[20:52] <superm1> that source is only for updates to the mythbuntu-repos package
[20:53] <noaXess> if i installed mythbuntu-repos.deb no question is asket about the repo to use..
[20:53] <noaXess> should i install it with apt-get?
[20:53] <noaXess> dpkg -i i mean
[20:54] <noaXess> just double clicked it
[20:55] <superm1> you should have gotten a debconf question
[20:55] <noaXess> superm1: no..
[20:55] <superm1> if you didn't, you can configure it in MCC
[20:55] <superm1> or dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[20:55] <noaXess> should mcc be installed on a frontend?
[20:56] <superm1> its installed by default on mythbuntu boxes
[20:57] <superm1> you can choose whether to install it or not on kubuntu or ubuntu
[20:57] <noaXess> ok.. i have akunbunt and then installed mythtv.. not myhtbunt..
[20:58] <superm1> then you dont have mcc installed right now
[20:59] <superm1> you are welcome to install it, or just reconfigure using command line with the command i posted
[20:59] <noaXess> superm1: ok.. i have dpkg-revconfigured mythbuntu-repos now.. it looks better
[21:01] <noaXess> so i need to do that also on my backend :)..
[21:21] <superm1> noaXess, okay i've updated the auto-builds page (and the auto-builds-faq page) so things make a little more sense http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[21:23] <noaXess> superm1: cool.. thanks :)
[23:29] <dewman> hey there. I am having a issue where i log into my mythbuntu backend/frontend after a reboot and then it logs back out...... Is there a log or something that I can look at?
[23:35] <foxbuntu> dewman, you can try this: mv ~/.cache ~/.cache-old && mv ~/.config ~/.config-old, then try to login again