[12:37] <zul> fabbione: those video msleep patches have been pushed upstream
[01:18] <mjg59> fabbione: Not massively urgent, but it would be good to get them tested soon
[01:18] <mjg59> It can wait a while
[01:59] <mdz> any reason to keep linux-source-2.6.11 around in breezy?
[02:03] <zul> i dont see why not imho
[03:12] <zul> hmmm...there is usb suspend/resume config option
[05:22] <zul> fabbione: you around?
[05:56] <zul> hey lamont
[05:56] <lamont> howdy
[05:56] <zul> how goes it?
[06:12] <fabbione> morning
[06:17] <fabbione> we can upload the kernel today!
[06:17] <fabbione> amazing :)
[06:18] <fabbione> lamont: did you try to build on hppa?
[06:18] <fabbione> it might need some config tuning
[06:19] <lamont> fabbione: not yet, but it should be happy
[06:19] <fabbione> hmm i am not sure about OCFS2
[06:19] <lamont> the hppa buildds have been busy....
[06:20] <lamont> you want a test build?
[06:20] <lamont> is not a big deal
[06:20] <fabbione> well if you are happy with a possible failure, it's ok with me :)
[06:20] <fabbione> OCFS2 did fail on ia64
[06:20] <fabbione> up to you
[06:20] <lamont> this week I'm not overly concerned with a failure, although it would be nice if it just worked,.
[06:21] <fabbione> how long does it take to build?
[06:21] <lamont> linux-source-2.6.12:    03:07:47 (12 entries, sigma 01:42:01)
[06:22] <fabbione> or better.. will you stay awake long enough to see the results?
[06:22] <lamont> but gcc-4.0 is ahead of it.. :-(
[06:22] <fabbione> hmm ok
[06:23] <lamont> last build was just under 7 hours...  we're 4 hours into that
[06:23] <lamont> so it's more one of I'll be awake to see the results...
[06:23] <lamont> just upload without worrying about hppa - if it dies, we'll fix it in the next round
[06:23] <fabbione> i guess you won't last 6 hours :)
[06:23] <fabbione> ok
[06:23] <lamont> I plan to be awake again in about 7 hours.
[06:23] <fabbione> also because i have another set of patches to push pretty soon in .12
[06:23] <lamont> so, no.  no plans to last 6 hours.
[06:24] <fabbione> eheheh
[06:24] <fabbione> ok
[06:24] <lamont> it occurs to me that doing a test build in hoary probably doesn't really cut it.
[06:24] <lamont> hence the gcc-4.0 is first
[06:25] <fabbione> well i am pretty sure i did catch all the dpkg-ar fuckage
[06:25] <fabbione> well yeah we can upload 2 kernels in a raw :)
[06:25] <fabbione> hahha
[06:25] <lamont> 149 packages
[06:25] <fabbione> i will soon need to do that on sparc here
[06:26] <lamont> many of which have been superseded, I expect
[06:26] <fabbione> i am letting the buildd to do as much as it can out of main
[06:26] <fabbione> before giving back half of it
[06:26] <lamont> I abused my local mirror into having source bolted on the side of the archive, so that I could build all of the cxxlibs, modulo missing build-deps.
[06:27] <lamont> I'd like to get main/cxxapps building this week, will deal with getting a real buildd running sometime after June 1.  :-)
[06:27] <lamont> May 23 22:27:32 buildd: breezy: total 251 packages to build. :-(
[06:27] <fabbione> ahha only 251?
[06:28] <fabbione> i have like 2250 in the queue :)
[06:28] <lamont> Total 52 package(s) in state Building.
[06:28] <lamont> Total 44 package(s) in state Dep-Wait.
[06:28] <lamont> Total 11 package(s) in state Failed.
[06:28] <lamont> Total 795 package(s) in state Installed.
[06:28] <lamont> Total 251 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[06:28] <lamont> Total 12 package(s) in state Uploaded.
[06:28] <lamont> Total 1165 package(s)
[06:28] <lamont> it's not a full mirror
[06:28] <fabbione> oh that's only main
[06:28] <fabbione> i figured that banning a few things from auto build is good
[06:28] <lamont> and doubtlessly has several hoary packages in there - I'm going to need to fetch the w-b output from p.u.c sometime and see what the actual archive is missing, and force that through
[06:29] <fabbione> and i just build them manually in parallel
[06:29] <lamont> that's most of main (minus kde), and all of cxxlibs.txt's packages
[06:29] <fabbione> that's not too bad
[06:30] <lamont> several of the failed are 'needs hppa love'
[06:30] <fabbione> isn't T-bone helping with hppa at all?
[06:30] <lamont> haven't seen t-bone recently
[06:30] <fabbione> neither did i
[06:30] <fabbione> i think i have seen only a few packages that needs real sparc love
[06:32] <zul> for a kernel debug image you would have to fuck around with kernel-package wouldnt you?
[06:33] <fabbione> zul: why?
[06:33] <zul> i was just looking at the roadmap agaim
[06:37] <zul> i was thinking of having a dbg directory in debian/config and something like linux-image-2.6.12-x-dbg-686 or whatever
[06:38] <fabbione> zul: we will do something like config/i386/686-dbg or 386-dbg
[06:38] <zul> that works..
[06:38] <fabbione> it will be a normal flavour with all the possible debugging options turned on
[06:39] <zul> i was going through the debug options and have a list kind of
[06:39] <fabbione> we might want to consider to add some kgdb patch to it, or whatever
[06:39] <zul> yeah
[06:45] <zul> lol....i like instruction number 2 http://www.ready.gov/nuclear_visual.html
[06:47] <fabbione> Service Unavailable
[06:48] <zul> stupid americans
[06:48] <zul> except lamont
[06:48] <zul> for nuclear blast...
[06:48] <zul> instruction #2...consider if you can get out of the area
[06:49] <dilinger> yea, stupid americans
[06:49] <zul> and everyone else...
[06:49] <lamont> heh
[06:49] <zul> oh crap im in soo much trouble now :)
[06:49] <lamont> they write those for the lowest common denominator
[06:50] <zul> i know but its funny
[06:50] <lamont> we still chuckle about the instructions on a catch-allive mouse trap we bought a while back...
[06:50] <lamont> disposal instructions began "go to a place where mice are needed"
[06:50] <fabbione> ahahahha
[06:51] <dilinger> lamont: why they'd want to preserve the health of the lowest common denominator, instead of letting nature take its course...
[06:51] <lamont> yeah
[06:51] <lamont> dilinger: they want to give him enough confusion to have him outside debating when the wave hits... who said anything about preserving him
[06:52] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/readygov_nuclear.pdf
[06:53] <lamont> well. sleepybye time
[06:53] <fabbione> night lamont
[06:53] <fabbione> that stuff is sick
[06:54] <fabbione> a nuclear explosion done at ground zero can mechanically destroy everything in a few miles radius
[06:54] <fabbione> without taking into account the heating generated by the explosion that would melt down basically everything
[06:54] <fabbione> the fallout will do the rest
[06:56] <fabbione> this without taking into account the other 2 options of making an underground explosion (more mechanical destruction, less fallout) or in air detonation (less mechanical - much more fallout)
[06:56] <zul> of course you have this all planned out dont you :)
[06:57] <fabbione> no, but the picture gives the feeling that walking a few yards away from the explosion is enough :)
[06:57] <zul> if you are a cockroach
[06:58] <fabbione> also.. everybody had a nuclear radiation shield handy :)
[06:58] <zul> heh
[06:58] <fabbione> i always have one in my wallet
[06:58] <fabbione> just in case :)
[06:58] <zul> dont leave home without it :)
[06:58] <fabbione> DON'T PUT CONDOM IN THE WALLET! they get ruined by the temperature!
[06:59] <fabbione> PUT YOUR NUCLEAR RADIATION SHIELD INSTEAD!
[06:59] <zul> heh
[06:59] <fabbione> it's done in pure anti scratch metal
[06:59] <zul> my nuclear condom for those special occasions
[07:00] <fabbione> i found this super hot girl.. almost radioactive...
[07:01] <zul> heh...i think im going to bed....night dude...i expect kernel built by the time i get up :)
[07:04] <fabbione> good night
[07:05] <fabbione> i am going to upload 1.2 today
[07:05] <zul> pl
[07:05] <fabbione> we need OCFS2 out for testing
[07:05] <zul> ok even
[08:37] <fabbione> hey JaneW
[08:37] <fabbione> JaneW: i was just waiting for you :)
[08:37] <fabbione> we need a release name :)
[08:39] <JaneW> hi fabbione
[08:39] <JaneW> cool
[08:39] <JaneW> brb
[08:39] <fabbione> ok
[08:40] <JaneW> fabbione: Merry Macadamia
[08:40] <JaneW> ?
[08:47] <fabbione> works for me :)
[08:47] <fabbione> done :)
[09:33] <mjg59> fabbione: Does this one have the acpi crack, or is that next time around?
[09:34] <fabbione> next round...
[09:34] <fabbione> i am already merging them
[09:35] <fabbione> mjg59: i had to take this kernel out ASAP
[09:35] <fabbione> because i need tests on OCFS2
[09:35] <mjg59> Sure, that's no problem
[09:35] <fabbione> and the new version of GFS
[09:36] <fabbione> me .. must .. find .. time .. package .. userland
[09:36] <mjg59> Hahaha
[09:38] <fabbione> the GFS userland is a royal mess
[09:38] <fabbione> the main issue is that there is part of it already packaged
[09:38] <fabbione> but kernel and userland need to be in sync
[09:38] <fabbione> that makes the other set of packages useless
[09:40] <fabbione> HOLY JESUS!
[09:41] <fabbione> the acpi patch is HUGE
[09:41] <mjg59> Yes
[09:41] <fabbione> when you created the diffs, where they on top of what patch set?
[09:42] <mjg59> The version in the archive rather than the baz one, I think
[09:42] <fabbione> ok, did you apply them as last?
[09:42] <fabbione> or first?
[09:42] <mjg59> Yes
[09:42] <mjg59> Last
[09:42] <fabbione> ok
[09:43] <fabbione> they both come from the bk acpi tree.. so i can mark them as "external"
[09:43] <mjg59> The second one isn't from the bk acpi tree yet
[09:43] <mjg59> It's from the mailing list
[09:44] <fabbione> ah ok
[09:44] <fabbione> well i can still mark it as external
[09:44] <mjg59> I need to hack on it a bit more and submit it for that (need to get the _GTF method supported)
[09:44] <fabbione> hmm ok
[09:44] <mjg59> It makes several more machines work at the moment
[09:45] <fabbione> and how many are going to break?
[09:45] <mjg59> Haha
[09:45] <mjg59> It hasn't broken any of the ones I have access to
[09:45] <fabbione> i start to wonder how many laptops do you have...
[09:45] <mjg59> 6 with Ubuntu
[09:45] <fabbione> my best guess is that you have one even in front of the toilet seat
[09:46] <chmj> morning
[09:46] <fabbione> hi chmj
[09:46] <mjg59> And another one running the ubuntu kernel
[09:46] <chmj> thats a lot of laptops mjg59
[09:46] <mjg59> chmj: Yup
[09:46] <mjg59> I tend to collect them...
[09:47] <Mithrandir> chmj: he's going to build a house of out them when he has enough.
[09:47] <chmj> Mithrandir: I'd love to see that
[09:48] <fabbione> ehhe
[09:48] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ipw2200 1.0.4 is in
[09:48] <fabbione> i just uploaded the kernel
[09:48] <Mithrandir> chmj: either that, or he needs a new house for all the laptops.
[09:48] <Mithrandir> fabbione: rock on.
[09:48] <mjg59> fabbione: I need to feed you SATA suspend/resume support at some point
[09:48] <fabbione> it will take a bit before it's on the mirror
[09:48] <Mithrandir> fabbione: universe for now?
[09:48] <chmj> mjg59: do you have any x40's ?
[09:48] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Odd you should say that...
[09:48] <mjg59> chmj: Only the one. I'm keeping it.
[09:48] <fabbione> mjg59: ok
[09:48] <fabbione> Mithrandir: yes
[09:49] <mjg59> fabbione: Currently SATA machines will entirely fail
[09:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: the next one will go to main
[09:49] <Mithrandir> fabbione: *bounce*
[09:49] <Mithrandir> :)
[09:49] <fabbione> mjg59: SATA is a mess
[09:49] <chmj> mjg59: aah man, I trying to save for one of those, wish I had one :/
[09:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i had no time to give the kernel some d-i love
[09:49] <fabbione> given that we can push to main and start swithing to it
[10:04] <infinity> I heard that mjg59 was joing to mail me a T42, so I don't have to order one from IBM^WLenovo
[10:04] <infinity> s/joing/going/
[10:04] <infinity> So, uhh...
[10:04] <infinity> mjg59 : Thanks!
[10:05] <fabbione> mjg59: bah 1.2 is FTBFS because dPATCH sucks
[10:05] <fabbione> i might as well get your patches in
[10:06] <fabbione> now i understand why it was asking about some options I was sure i did pre-configure
[10:06] <chmj> fabbione: what was the decision, if any, on dpatch's removal ?
[10:08] <fabbione> chmj: yeah hopefully soon
[10:16] <chmj> fabbione: cdbs and I are mortal enemies though
[10:19] <fabbione> chmj: i think i am going to add some sanity checks at build time
[10:19] <fabbione> like lsdiff -H * |grep debian
[10:30] <fabbione> mjg59: your crack is FTBFS on ia64
[10:31] <fabbione> (at least..)
[10:31] <fabbione> the others are still building
[10:31] <mjg59> fabbione: Oh, cock. Hang on.
[10:32] <fabbione> mjg59:
[10:32] <mjg59> fabbione: In drivers/char/agp/hp-agp.c?
[10:32] <fabbione> In file included from drivers/firmware/pcdp.c:18:
[10:32] <fabbione> drivers/firmware/pcdp.h:48: error: field `addr' has incomplete type
[10:32] <fabbione> drivers/firmware/pcdp.c: In function `setup_serial_console':
[10:32] <fabbione> drivers/firmware/pcdp.c:27: error: `ACPI_ADR_SPACE_SYSTEM_MEMORY' undeclared (first use in this function)
[10:32] <fabbione> drivers/firmware/pcdp.c:27: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[10:32] <fabbione> drivers/firmware/pcdp.c:27: error: for each function it appears in.)
[10:32] <mjg59> Waah
[10:32] <fabbione> mjg59: ok.. no panic.. i will upload 1.3 without the patches
[10:32] <mjg59> Damnit. Ok, I'll take a look
[10:32] <fabbione> so we can workout them properly
[10:32] <fabbione> well if it's not too much work i can wait
[10:33] <fabbione> the others need to build anyway
[10:33] <fabbione> yeah i am building amd64 and ppc too
[10:33] <fabbione> it's probably a missing include or something
[10:33] <fabbione> it should be simple to fix
[10:33] <mjg59> Yeah, it's a missing acpi include
[10:34] <mjg59> Goddamnit. You'd think Intel would actually test on their own hardware.
[10:34] <mjg59>         struct acpi_generic_address     addr;
[10:34] <fabbione> include/acpi/actypes.h:#define ACPI_ADR_SPACE_SYSTEM_MEMORY    (acpi_adr_space_type) 0
[10:34] <fabbione> let see if that helps :)
[10:36] <fabbione> In file included from drivers/firmware/pcdp.c:15:
[10:36] <fabbione> include/acpi/actypes.h:95:2: #error ACPI_MACHINE_WIDTH not defined
[10:36] <fabbione> include/acpi/actypes.h:203:2: #error unknown ACPI_MACHINE_WIDTH
[10:36] <fabbione> no it doesn't
[10:38] <mjg59> fabbione: Try just including acpi.h
[10:38] <mjg59> Uh, acpi/acpi.h
[10:38] <fabbione> #include <linux/acpi.h>
[10:38] <fabbione> including....
[10:38] <mjg59> Ooh, handy, Jeff's just posted a new libata suspend/resume
[10:39] <mjg59> Ok, yeah, linux/acpi.h should do
[10:39] <fabbione> oh there
[10:39] <fabbione> it builded
[10:39] <mjg59> Hurrah
[10:39] <mjg59> It's possible that there'll be another couple of them
[10:39] <fabbione> hmmm
[10:39] <fabbione> the point is.. why did it break on ia64 and not on the others?
[10:39] <fabbione> will this fix break other stuff?
[10:39] <mjg59> That's an IA64-only driver
[10:39] <fabbione> ah ok
[10:40] <mjg59> It's likely that they've fixed all x86 stuff
[10:41] <fabbione> no wonder :)
[10:41] <mjg59> fabbione: And PPC shouldn't have been touched
[10:41] <mjg59> (with luck)
[10:42] <fabbione> mjg59: it's building :)
[10:42] <fabbione> other than the usual random ppc sigkills....
[10:43] <mjg59> Heh
[10:44] <svenl> fabbione: why does breezy's make-kpkg tell me the just unpacked 2.6.11-rc4 tree is not a linux toplevel directory ?
[10:45] <fabbione> svenl: i have no idea.. works here
[10:47] <svenl> it tells me a warning about the cramfs patch.
[10:47] <svenl> fabbione: on pristine upstream 2.6.11-rc4 ?
[10:47] <fabbione> svenl: no idea. i don't even have 11rc4 here
[10:48] <svenl> err, 2.6.12-rc4 obviously.
[10:48] <svenl> fabbione: should i fill a bug report ?
[10:48] <fabbione> svenl: i am not even sure what you are trying to do..
[10:48] <fabbione> can you at least
[10:48] <fabbione> 1) show me what you are trying to do
[10:48] <fabbione> 2) how
[10:48] <fabbione> 3) the full error
[10:49] <mjg59> svenl: 2.6.*11*-rc4?
[10:50] <mjg59> Oh, soryy
[10:50] <svenl> fabbione: i am trying to compile a kernel without cpufreq to track the sleep bug i and benh have been seeing with the latest ubuntu kernel in breezy.
[10:50] <svenl> fabbione: the bug is : when waking from sleep, the box shuts down.
[10:50] <svenl> sven@tael:~/kernel/linux-2.6.12-rc4$ make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -sven kernel-image
[10:51] <svenl> You should invoke this command from the top level directory of
[10:51] <svenl> a linux kernel source directory tree, and as far as I can tell,
[10:51] <svenl> the current directory:
[10:51] <svenl>         /home/sven/kernel/linux-2.6.12-rc4
[10:51] <svenl> is not a top level linux kernel source directory.
[10:51] <svenl>         (If I am wrong then kernel-packages and the linux kernel
[10:51] <svenl>          are so out sync that you'd better get the latest versions
[10:51] <svenl>          of the kernel-package package and the Linux sources)
[10:51] <svenl> Please change directory to wherever linux kernel sources
[10:51] <svenl> reside and try again.
[10:51] <svenl> [Bsven@tael:~/kernel/linux-2.6.12-rc4$ ls
[10:51] <svenl> arch     CREDITS  Documentation  fs       init  kernel  MAINTAINERS  mm   README          scripts   sound
[10:51] <svenl> COPYING  crypto   drivers        include  ipc   lib     Makefile     net  REPORTING-BUGS  security  usr
[10:51] <svenl> There.
[10:52] <fabbione> hold on a sec
[10:53] <fabbione>   # See if we are running in a linux kernel directory
[10:53] <fabbione>   if ((!(-d "drivers" && -d "kernel" && -d "fs" && -d "include/linux"))
[10:53] <fabbione>       && (!(-d "dev" && -d "kern" && -d "fs" && -d "i386/include"))){
[10:53] <fabbione>     my @other_targets = grep (! m/^modules/, @ARGV);
[10:53] <fabbione>     if ($#other_targets != -1 || ! -d "include/linux") {
[10:53] <svenl> i just untarred the 2.6.12-rc4 tarball from ftp.kernel.org, copied the default ubuntu .config, did make oldconfig, disabled cpufreq.
[10:53] <fabbione> this is the check
[10:54] <svenl> fabbione: can you test it on your box or something ?
[10:54] <svenl> fabbione: what is the :  && (!(-d "dev" && -d "kern" && -d "fs" && -d "i386/include"))){
[10:54] <svenl> for ?
[10:54] <fabbione> it's like bash
[10:55] <fabbione> if [ -d foo ]
[10:55] <svenl> ok.
[10:55] <svenl> but the first group is indeed kernel sources.
[10:55] <svenl> the second line is strange.
[10:55] <fabbione> svenl: i am checking.. give me a sec.
[10:56] <fabbione> svenl: works here
[10:56] <infinity> That check has been there for ages, and works fine.
[10:56] <fabbione> what version of the kernel package do yo heve?
[10:57] <svenl> strange.
[10:58] <svenl> whatever was in breezy yesterday.
[10:58] <svenl> 8.132ubuntu1
[10:58] <fabbione> get ubuntu2
[10:58] <fabbione> i uploaded yesterday
[10:59] <fabbione> and please svenl, be always sure to have the latest stuff.. always :)
[11:00] <svenl> I don't get the message on sarge.
[11:00] <fabbione> svenl: you need to upgrade
[11:00] <svenl> fabbione: one minute.
[11:00] <svenl> fabbione: are you making fun of me for running breezy ?
[11:00] <svenl> fabbione: bah.
[11:01] <svenl> fabbione: sucks.
[11:01] <infinity> No, he wasn't, but he probably should. :)
[11:01] <infinity> I don't run breezy yet, I just break it merrily.
[11:01] <infinity> And I know I'm not alone. :)
[11:01] <svenl> infinity: i just got into that mess because i was trying to build the ppc64 biarch toolchain in the first place, to build ppc64 kernels.
[11:01] <svenl> infinity: i know i need to reinstall.
[11:01] <svenl> infinity: and it is worse, since i run beta biarch toolchain.
[11:02] <infinity> fabbione : Oh, the amd64 machine is up and running, BTW, should you need a testing bitch.
[11:02] <svenl> so, now apt-get is unhappy because i have libgcc 3.4.3-13ubuntu1 :/
[11:02] <fabbione> infinity: oh yeah... how many boxes do you have around?
[11:03] <svenl> fabbione: mmm, do i really need a separate cramfs patch, or did it make it upstream.
[11:03] <fabbione> svenl: the cramfs patch has been there forever.
[11:03] <infinity> fabbione : Locally, only two.  The amd64 desktop from hell, and the i386 craptop.
[11:03] <infinity> fabbione : But I do most of my work on a remote PPC machine.
[11:03] <fabbione> infinity: hmmmmm
[11:04] <infinity> (And I can get a button bitch to reboot that one if I break it remotely, should that be necessary)
[11:04] <fabbione> infinity: you could play a bit with OCFS2
[11:04] <fabbione> even in a single node cluster
[11:04] <svenl> fabbione: in that case, kernel-package should be patched to know about it maybe :)
[11:04] <fabbione> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterFilesystems
[11:04] <fabbione> svenl: dude... do you know what cramfs is used for?
[11:04] <svenl> fabbione: sure.
[11:04] <fabbione> and in any case you can explain that to Manoj
[11:04] <svenl> fabbione: to read the initrd :)
[11:04] <fabbione> since he is upstream
[11:05] <fabbione> and the ubuntu patch is there only to deal with the new dpkg that is NOT in Debian yet
[11:05] <fabbione> all the other stuff -> Manoj
[11:06] <fabbione> mjg59: In file included from drivers/char/agp/hp-agp.c:18:
[11:06] <fabbione> fails too
[11:06] <fabbione> like you predicted
[11:07] <svenl> fabbione: ok.
[11:07] <svenl> BTW, do you have a packaged git already ?
[11:08] <fabbione> svenl: it's in Debian and Ubuntu already
[11:08] <fabbione> cogito
[11:09] <fabbione> mjg59: ?????? come on dude...
[11:09] <fabbione> WAKE UP
[11:09] <svenl> fabbione: oh. ok.
[11:09] <svenl> thanks.
[11:13] <fabbione> include/asm/acpi-ext.h:15: error: parse error before "hp_acpi_csr_space"
[11:13] <fabbione> mjg59: i assume that acpi-ext.h is totally borked
[11:13] <mjg59> fabbione: acpi-ext.h should include acpi/actypes.h
[11:14] <fabbione> yeah it seems to build
[11:15] <mjg59> Cool
[11:15] <fabbione> no
[11:15] <fabbione> that's not enough
[11:15] <mjg59> Bah
[11:16] <mjg59> Same failure?
[11:16] <fabbione> no much smaller
[11:16] <fabbione> probably it wants acpi/acpi.h
[11:16] <mjg59> Yeah
[11:16] <mjg59> Weird, the fix in -mm is just actypes.h
[11:16] <fabbione> for the asm...
[11:16] <fabbione> but the driver still fails to build
[11:16] <mjg59> Hngk.
[11:16] <mjg59> What's the error?
[11:17] <fabbione>   CC [M]   drivers/char/agp/hp-agp.o
[11:17] <fabbione> yeah with acpi/acpi.h goes on
[11:17] <mjg59> Ok, cool
[11:17] <fabbione> do you still want the error?
[11:17] <mjg59> Nah, if it works then that'll do
[11:51] <fabbione> mjg59: amd64 is go
[11:56] <mjg59> fabbione: Excellent
[02:24] <fabbione> mjg59: kernel uploaded
[02:29] <fabbione> lamont: 1.3 is on the way to the buildd's
[02:29] <fabbione> you might want to wait to build hppa
[02:29] <fabbione> i am tagging it now
[02:30] <lamont> 1.3?  what happened to 1.2?
[02:30] <fabbione> FTBFS because DPATCH sucks
[02:38] <fabbione> not bad... 5 minutes into the buildd and 1.3 still didn't fail :)
[02:49] <fabbione> lamont: can you be so kind to tell me if 1.3 is building around?
[02:49] <fabbione> so i can finish for now and come back in a few hours?
[02:57] <lamont> building *4
[02:57] <mxpxpod> last night I compiled the 2.6.12 kernel from breezy on hoary (powerpc) and ran into some problems with cpu frequency scaling... /sys/drivers/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor is unable to be opened or catted
[02:57] <mxpxpod> so powernowd won't start up
[02:57] <mxpxpod> has this been reported?
[02:58] <fabbione> lamont: thanks
[02:59] <fabbione> mxpxpod: no and if you can't test it in breezy is pointless
[02:59] <fabbione> also.. the kernel is in universe = unsupported (yet)
[02:59] <mxpxpod> suck
[03:00] <mxpxpod> the sleep code for powerpc laptops in 2.6.12 is tons better than in 2.6.10 and I'd like to use it :(
[03:00] <fabbione> mxpxpod: sorry but i really don't have time to spend on half backports and stuff. benh knows it is broken
[03:00] <mxpxpod> fabbione: oh, he does?
[03:00] <fabbione> yes
[03:01] <mxpxpod> ok, that's all I needed to hear :)
[03:02] <fabbione> bbl
[03:15] <jbailey> fabbione: When you're back - do you have any thoughts on how to handle source drivers that aren't included in the kernel but would presumably need to be bumped with every release?
[03:16] <jbailey> fabbione: I have someone asking for the spca5xx driver, which upstream doesn't seem to want to try and get into the kernel.  As long as it's not, I can't see us pulling it into main, but I'm curious what something like that would actually take.
[03:17] <Mithrandir> it's a fairly easy driver.  I'd love to see it in (since I need it for my webcam :)
[03:59] <zul> jbailey: * Add USB spca5xx driver:
[03:59] <zul>     - Add patch external-drivers-usb-media_spca5xx.dpatch.
[04:00] <jbailey> I missed that one, obviously. =)
[04:00] <zul> i added it in the last upload
[04:01] <jbailey> Hmm, I guess I havne't updated.  My box is still running <IP_ADDRESS>-1.1
[04:01] <jbailey> Err, no.  I updated this morning on anothe rbox and still don't see it...
[04:02] <jbailey> zul: When was the last upload? =)
[04:02] <zul> gimme a sec
[04:02] <zul> 12:25 gmt
[04:03] <zul> according to the breezy-changes list
[04:03] <zul> 1.3
[04:03] <jbailey> *lol*
[04:29] <mjg59> fabbione: New kernel has those patches?
[04:42] <fabbione> mjg59: yes
[04:42] <mjg59> fabbione: You rock. Thanks!
[04:43] <fabbione> mjg59: no problem dude.
[04:44] <fabbione> amd64 is in :)
[04:44] <fabbione> nice nice
[04:46] <Mithrandir> shiny new crack?
[04:47] <fabbione> Mithrandir: quite a lot
[04:53] <zul> fabbione: that gcc4 fix didnt make it?
[04:54] <fabbione> zul: i didn't merge at all from you sorry
[04:54] <fabbione> i will for the 1.4
[04:55] <zul> no problem...ill just add a bunch of stuff to 1,4 :)
[04:57] <zul> whatever happened to t-bone?
[05:00] <fabbione> he converted to gentoo
[05:06] <fabbione> and he is probably porting gentoo to ia64 and hppa
[05:31] <zul> ewww...
[05:37] <zul> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/showbiz/tm_objectid=15552841&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=light-sabre-duel-puts-two-in-hospital-name_page.html%5B/url%5D
[05:52] <zul> excelent... build-686-dbg
[06:22] <fabbione> nice
[06:23] <zul> back to poker..
[06:25] <zul> there doesnt have to be like kernel-headers-dbg does there
[09:12] <zul> brb need to test the debug kernel
[09:20] <zul> dang...so close yet so far away
[09:31] <zul> dbg kernel paniced on me saying it can mount my root partition
[09:42] <fabbione> amen
[09:46] <zul> huh?
[09:46] <fabbione> for your kernel panic
[09:46] <fabbione> :)
[09:46] <zul> :P
[10:02] <dilinger> a penny for your kernel panic?
[10:03] <zul> dilinger: i turned on all the debug features in a .config for 2.6.12 and it paniced on me...
[10:03] <zul> bleh


[00:30] <Phruis> how can i remove snap from my system?
[00:34] <OerHeks> one could stop snapd and remove it.. but why?
[00:35] <Phruis> OerHeks, it might seem silly but many people have reported a bug to canonical about the snap folder showing up in the home directory but they wont fix it
[00:35] <Phruis> to me it is just a sign of their level of attention to detail
[00:35] <OerHeks> indeed, it is no bug.
[00:36] <Phruis> it really is to many people though
[00:36] <Phruis> the home folder if not a dot file is for the user
[00:36] <OerHeks> no, you are the 2nd one i hear about it.
[00:37] <gehn> what's the difference between ~/.config and ~/.local
[00:37] <Phruis> look at the bug report like 800+
[00:38] <OerHeks> a single directory where user data is stored, defaulting to ~/.local/share; https://askubuntu.com/questions/14535/whats-the-local-folder-for-in-my-home-directory
[00:38] <Phruis> OerHeks, sir no one is ever going to use that folder
[00:40] <OerHeks> Phruis, sure there are, if you use confinement the data will stay in those snap folders.
[00:41] <OerHeks> like that ~/.local/share, not in your home messing up. pretty neat
[00:42] <Phruis> I think dot files are fine i am just saying a folder called "snap" that is lower case and doesn't match the other folders and has files most likely MOST users will never touch is out of place and doesn't make logical sense
[01:00] <entreri> hello, what is the best way to create a user and give him same privileges as root, but without sudo? What were
[01:00] <entreri> people doing without sudo came around?
[01:01] <entreri> before sudo came around**
[01:01] <OerHeks> i guess that would be a terrible idea
[01:02] <entreri> what were people doing before sudo?
[01:02] <OerHeks> dunno, clicking windows or ios?
[01:04] <Ann1ca> 2/q
[01:08] <rommel> entreri, in gentoo as user su - but there isnt sudo by default as in ubuntu. but you can sudo su if you need the # for extended time in term
[01:13] <OerHeks> tor the terminal session *only*: sudo -i # would be the ubuntu way
[01:13] <OerHeks> but granting no sudo use to users, meh..
[01:16] <OerHeks> !root
[01:16] <OerHeks> !sudo
[01:18] <Phruis> i tried to uninstall chromium with snap and it is trying to "save" it for me or something and it consumed my entire root partition
[01:18] <Phruis> i have 0 bytes now
[01:19] <Phruis> so now it wont remove it
[01:19] <Phruis> how retarded is this thing?
[01:24] <Phruis> snap is so messed up even people writing articles about how they have to force it not to retain backups
[01:24] <Phruis> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/how-to-remove-old-snap-versions-to-free.html
[01:27] <OerHeks> interesting that you are still here, Phruis .. oh ofcourse, it is on an other machine
[01:27] <Phruis> sorry?
[01:28] <OerHeks> is there any support question in there?
[01:28] <Phruis> well sir I am clearly having an issue removing chromium and I have to search on the internet to remove it
[01:29] <Phruis> it says it MUST be set between 2 and 20
[01:29] <Phruis> why do I need 2 revisions of a snap?
[01:31] <OerHeks> 1 more than kernels .. i guess it is by design, though large snaps can be an issue
[01:38] <Phruis> in my var/log directory what are .journal files?
[01:55] <robertparkerx> How do I `sudo apt install curl php-cli php-mbstring git unzip` for php 7.3 ? It wants to install 7.2 packages. I have the PPA.
[01:56] <milkshake> robertparkerx: by adding 7.3
[01:56] <milkshake> guess its php7.3-cli
[01:57] <robertparkerx> lol I'm sorry
[01:59] <robertparkerx> milkshake how do you store a hash as a shell variable
[02:00] <milkshake> just like how you create a variable
[02:01] <robertparkerx> $hash = a5c698ffe4b8e849a443b120cd5ba38043260d5c4023dbf93e1558871f1f07f58274fc6f4c93bcfd858c6bd0775cd8d1; ?
[02:02] <milkshake> you only need $ when you want to call it
[02:04] <robertparkerx> Nice thank you a lot!
[02:23] <HokarPokar> Hey guys. I have been facing issue with detecting second HDMI display from ubuntu 18.04 LTS for sometime now. It just stopped working out of the blue. I have taken out time to read solutions posted on stackoverflow and askubuntu before asking it here. Without being too verbose, I want to mention that I don't see the second display on arandr/xrandr.
[02:23] <HokarPokar> I have uninstalled the previouly installed nvidia drivers. I should be running nouveau driver now. Please help me find a solution
[02:23] <HokarPokar> And, I know I haven't shared the output of lspci and lshw. But if you think you can help me, I  will share the output of those commands as well.
[02:25] <HokarPokar> I have already tried running sudo X -configure but it comes back with a seg fault. I can share the stack if anyone wants to look at it. I have tested my display with another laptop, The display works just fine and shouldn't be the casue of the problem
[02:25] <akemhp> On my setup, HDMI screen is sometimes only detected at login screen, when i turn the screen on and wait a bit.
[02:26] <HokarPokar> akemhp: It doesn't detect the screen for me. The screen goes into power saving mode and stays that way
[02:26] <akemhp> HokarPokar, Was it Ubuntu on the other laptop?
[02:27] <akk> Please don't be insulted by the question, but have you tried a different cable?
[02:27] <HokarPokar> akemhp: No. The other laptop was running windows. But to add, I have been using this screen for over 2 months now with the ubuntu 18.04 LTSas well
[02:27] <akk> Not being detected by xrandr makes me think there's something more serious than just X config going on.
[02:27] <HokarPokar> It was just 2 days before today that it stopped detecting the display
[02:29] <HokarPokar> akk: Is it normal if lspci shows my nvidia card as 3D controller and not VGA controller. I see that only Intel shows up as a VGA compattible controller
[02:30] <akk> HokarPokar: Sorry, I wouldn't know, have 0 experience with nvidia. But with nvidia there could always be some kind of weird driver issue involved.
[02:30] <akemhp> HokarPokar, Because you have an optimus laptop which has both Intel and Nvidia.
[02:31] <akemhp> Nvidia drivers are prefered on this kind of laptops, i would reinstall them.
[02:32] <HokarPokar> akemhp: Well, I can give it another shot. Before doing that, I just had another question. I read up some posts which advise to make an edit like "nouveau.modeset=0" during boot. What does that do ? Do I need to do that ?
[02:34] <akemhp> HokarPokar, I think it's a kernel internal parameter to change the behavior of how the graphics stuff are handled.
[02:37] <akemhp> In a normal situation you shouldn't have to add boot parameters like that OFC.
[02:38] <Bashing-om> HokarPokar: Make sure you are clean prior to re-installing the Nvidia driver. ls -al /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; ls -al /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia .
[02:40] <Bashing-om> HokarPokar: Also efi system ? Then too disable secure boot in bios.
[02:41] <HokarPokar> Bashing-om. I don't have the xorg.conf in /etc/X11.  Should I be concerned about this ?
[02:49] <HokarPokar> Bashing-om akk akemhp_ I can't believe disabling secure boot fixed it. Thank you Bashing-om. While I'm going to look up why it fixed the issue, can you add your 2 cents as well ?
[02:57] <Bashing-om> HokarPokar: :D the nvidia driver is 3rd party software - secure boot is doing its job :)
[02:59] <lamar_123> where can i get the Latest News about 20.04? Whether there is a review article and use experience?
[03:00] <Bashing-om> lamar_123: See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue607
[03:01] <Bashing-om> lamar_123: In this week's forthcoming issue: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Desktop-Trello-Dec
[03:05] <lamar_123> thanks very much. I'll pay attention @Bashing-om
[03:06] <Bashing-om> lamar_123: Very welcome; there is also #ubuntu+1 channel.
[03:09] <lamar_123> Bashing-om: ok, i have join it. thanks again
[03:15] <wollwllow> I'm having a problem with my touchpad (xinput identifies it as "SYNA3255:00 06CB:7F27 Touchpad") on 19.10 on a new Lenovo 330S-15ARR laptop that has be confused.  Everything works for the most part, but if I suspend and wake up it only registers "right" click (the touchpad has no actual buttons, so it's all multitouch I guess...  two finger click in other words).  It happens randomly sometimes too while
[03:15] <wollwllow> in use.  Fixes itself if I switch to GDM using Alt-Ctrl-F1 and back or use xinput disable/enable or rmmod/modprobe i2c_hid.  Only other clue I can think of is a "pushModal: invocation of begin_modal failed" in journalctl output when it happens.
[03:16] <wollwllow> It seems to act like the single click is pressed when it wakes up too.
[03:21] <akk> wollwllow: My Lenovo model is different, but it seems like a lot of new Lenovos have a touchpad bug that shows up on suspend, and is cured with installing new firmware -- check Lenovo's website.
[03:22] <akk> wollwllow: Unfortunately at least for my model the firmware is packaged as an exe so installing it is hard if you don't have a Windows dual-boot.
[03:22] <wollwllow> yeah, I don't have windows installed
[03:23] <wollwllow> Haven't used it in years... I should look into setting up a Windows USB boot drive or somethng i guess
[03:23] <wollwllow> Thanks for the advice.
[03:23] <akk> wollwllow: I fought with it for 4 days and finally managed it, but I had to borrow a real windows machine as part of the process. I wrote it up, http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/exe-firmware-on-linux.html
[03:23] <wollwllow> Awesome, thanks.
[03:24] <akk> Wish I could offer an easier solution, but good luck!
[03:24] <akk> My trackpad has been working much better since the update.
[03:24] <Conna> #ubuntu-mate
[03:24] <Conna> sorry type bro
[03:26] <Conna> sorry typing :)
[03:49] <DarkTrick> ubuntu 19.10 bug: ibus-settings cannot be found though the search of all applications
[03:50] <DarkTrick> ubuntu 19.10 bug: ibus indicator is not shown in top panel
[03:50] <DarkTrick> This bug affects people with Japanese input. And all other languages with pre-edit input (e.g. chinese)
[03:51] <leftyfb> !bug | DarkTrick
[03:51] <DarkTrick> I was told to first post it here before going that route
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: didnt you file that japanese input bug already?
[03:54] <DarkTrick> I remember there was something. But this should be a different one. I'll check on launchpad
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: i made you file one not too long ago, you dont recall?
[03:54] <DarkTrick> I do
[03:56] <DarkTrick> bug 1854610
[03:57] <DarkTrick> but that's not related - apparently
[03:57] <DarkTrick> tly
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: did you compare your bug yet with a clean install 19.10 yet?
[03:58] <DarkTrick> the one I just posted?
[03:58] <DarkTrick> that's on a clean install
[03:58] <Abhijit> Hi. i did sudo apt-get remove linux-image-4.15.0-72-generic but still see the same kernel in the output of dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[03:58] <Abhijit> how to remove all kernells except currently in use?
[04:00] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic bionic | Abhijit .  try: ' sudo apt --purge autoremove '.
[04:02] <robertparkerx> I'm trying to connect to github on a personal server and it is failing. Permission denied publickey
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Abhijit: Make sure that linux-image-4.15.0-70-generic is *NOT* removed.
[04:02] <robertparkerx> ssh-agent is running
[04:02] <leftyfb> robertparkerx: https://help.github.com/en/github/authenticating-to-github/connecting-to-github-with-ssh
[04:02] <robertparkerx> I try to ssh-add -l -E md5 but it says this agent has no identities
[04:03] <robertparkerx> ah ty
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: if you think your issues are unrelated, and you experience this on a clean install 19.10, follow the route leftyfb adviced,another bug
[04:03] <robertparkerx> leftyfb :)
[04:04] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, ok
[04:05] <Abhijit> Bashing-om, ok.
[04:05] <Abhijit> Bashing-om, but if i do autoremove it will remove .70 (current) also right?
[04:06] <Bashing-om> Abhijit: That is correct . I expect that the -70 kernel still exist andis bootable.
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Abhijit: Autoremove will leave the -72 and 70 (latest 2 kernels), removing all others/
[04:10] <Bashing-om> Abhijit: Will be of benefit to know why the -72 version kernel fails to boot. A regression ?
[04:11] <robertparkerx> leftyfb, I nano my id_rsa.pub and copy to github but it says the key is invalid
[04:11] <robertparkerx> oh wait
[04:13] <robertparkerx> Thanks a lot
[04:18] <Abhijit> Bashing-om, mouse does not work in that kernel.
[04:25] <Bashing-om> Abhijit: Humm, what trouble shooting have you done ?
[04:53] <Abhijit> switching to old kernel! :-)
[04:54] <Abhijit> i tried installing some synaptic drivers but it did not fix it
[06:42] <Exuma> very dumb question
[06:42] <Exuma> im setting a server up for someone who really wants to use SFTP
[06:42] <Exuma> nginx is running on www-data
[06:42] <Exuma> which has access to /var/www/site.com/html
[06:42] <Exuma> how can i make a user which has an SSH key and can edit this www-data folder
[06:42] <Exuma> currently we have the ubuntu user
[06:43] <Exuma> can i add ubuntu to the www-data group?
[07:01] <doug16k> Exuma, yes
[07:02] <Exuma> doug16k ok thanks, i think i figured it out
[08:48] <funabashi> Hello all, i have problem with install a package with apt-get install  , anyone know how i can solve this ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j72CzX9Vy3/
[08:50] <amosbird> is there anyway to make systemctl stop myunit kill my unit with -9?
[08:59] <funabashi> Oh i did a misstake , i did this comamnd apt-get install -y --allow-downgrades perl-base=5.22.1-9
[08:59] <funabashi> how can i get all packages back?
[10:19] <Fudge> what would cause an ssh server to just put up connection refused after a while, no firewall running and ip is static
[10:19] <Fudge> default ssh config on a local network
[10:21] <ryuo> Fudge: connection refused means there's nothing using that port; it's closed, or that the firewall is blocking it.
[10:25] <Fudge> ryuo:  i was logged into the machine, i guess you are right the ssh server may have stopped
[10:53] <ascent> Hi all! How does one install to a mirrored raid 1 software raid nowadays? Can I boot from raid1/lvm by now?
[11:02] <tatertots> lol
[11:02] <tatertots> that's a topic that will start a war or flame war
[11:03] <tatertots> ascent: are you familiar with the terms fake raid or software raid
[11:03] <tatertots> ascent: i can't really say a lot without a war breaking out lol
[11:03] <ascent> the latter, I prefer mdadm for this
[11:04] <ascent> I think there was a time that /boot needed to be a real partition (/dev/sda1 instead of md0, md1 whatever and/or LVM)
[11:05] <tatertots> ascent: i think some people have tinkered with trying to boot from software raid / mdadm ...you'll find a youtube video of a guy doing it with a virtual machine...
[11:05] <tatertots> ascent: you should find that video and see if that's something you're willing to do
[11:08] <ascent> How is this still an issue after howmanyyears now... haha.
[11:08] <ascent> ok, thanks tatertots
[11:08] <tatertots> ascent: lol...i've always had real hardware controllers so it's never been a issue in any of my Linux environments
[11:29] <sazawal> I have this bug in my recently installed gnome-shell for Ubuntu 19.04, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1822846 . Someone has mentioned that "This bug was fixed in the package gnome-shell - 3.32.1-1ubuntu1~19.04.1". My question is how do I apply this fix, or how do I upgrade my gnome-shell to this version. My gnome-shell version is GNOME Shell 3.32.0
[11:45] <lapion> Grub is broken for installs on uefi systems without secureboot built-into efi
[11:47] <jeremy31> lapion: do you see error, failed to install grub-amd64-efi-signed to /target
[11:49] <lapion> even if I remove grub-amd64-signed grub still does a bad call I will check later what the precise error is..
[11:49] <jeremy31> lapion: try installing without internet
[11:50] <lapion> jeremy31, after updates the same error will return..
[11:51] <jeremy31> lapion: something unique happens during install on EFI when updates are allowed during the install.  Once you boot to the install updates should be fine
[11:51] <lapion> I did a reinstall because I had this problem and I hoped that would fix the problem but I guess the updates installed during the install
[11:52] <lapion> jeremy31, this is a reinstall to try to see if I could get the grub to work from a fresh install..
[11:52] <jeremy31> lapion: try an install without internet connection
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:53] <lapion> jeremy31, it was a running system with a fresh install of some months ago that got the grub bug after updating..
[11:54] <jeremy31> lapion: on 18.04?
[11:55] <lapion> yes 18.04.something after updating to 18.04.3
[11:58] <jeremy31> lapion: you might have to file a bug report as I didn't have any grub update issues on Ubuntu 18.04.  I take it this computer is 2012 ish that it has UEFI without Secure Boot support?
[12:03] <Blade> root update-grub
[12:03] <Blade> what is a problem
[12:04] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CFw9FkYzVW/
[12:04] <Blade> see
[12:06] <jeremy31> Blade: It is a different problem with grub
[12:06] <Blade> big
[12:08] <Blade> oot@ubuntu-ivan:/home/nikolov# inxi -F
[12:08] <Blade> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 5.4.2-050402-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.34.1
[12:08] <Blade>            Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[12:08] <Blade>   i am lame no problems
[12:08] <Blade> just test
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Blade,  ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:09] <Blade> mute in ubuntu+1
[12:09] <Blade> i no problems
[12:11] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XNWBgj7ywr/  BluesKaj  cool jocke with me but
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Blade, so what's your question, if any?
[12:17] <Blade> no pass
[12:33] <lapion> jeremy31, did not help will try to backtrack and install earlier version then 18043
[12:45] <Cooler> something very wrong with the package system https://bpaste.net/raw/VEHDO
[12:45] <Cooler> tried to install tmux and that happened
[12:45] <Cooler> there are problems with the software updater as well
[12:46] <Cooler> I am Ubuntu 18.04 LTS btw
[12:46] <Cooler> am on*
[12:53] <ioria> Cooler, sudo fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[12:54] <mouses> Cooler: you already have a process hooked into something that the package installer needs access to
[12:54] <mouses> Cooler: https://askubuntu.com/questions/136881/debconf-dbdriver-config-config-dat-is-locked-by-another-process-resource-t
[12:55] <Cooler> https://bpaste.net/raw/LHLLA
[12:55] <Cooler> also the software updater is broken
[12:56] <mouses> PID 7648 is hooked in
[12:56] <mouses> figure out what that is, or kill it
[12:56] <ioria> Cooler, sudo kill -9 7648
[12:57] <ioria> Cooler, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:59] <Cooler> ioria, it says frontend
[12:59] <Paddy_NI> Would anyone here know why (under gnome) it says in the Network section of the system settings dialogue that my wired connection is "100 Mb/s" and not "1000 Mb/s"?
[12:59] <Cooler> does that mean the GNOME desktop?
[12:59] <Paddy_NI> I am fairly certain everything on the chain is gigabit
[13:00] <mouses> Paddy_NI: speed of the adapter / router / cable
[13:00] <mouses> Paddy_NI: the lowest speed is what you will see
[13:01] <Paddy_NI> Router is Gigabit cable is cat5e (shielded) NIC is Gigabit, switch is gigabit.
[13:01] <mouses> Paddy_NI: and are you getting gigabit speeds when moving data across the LAN?
[13:01] <Paddy_NI> No
[13:02] <mouses> Paddy_NI: bypass the switch and plug direct in and test?
[13:02] <mouses> best to eliminate points of failure
[13:03] <Paddy_NI> mouses, I will do that although its a bit of a nightmare to do
[13:04] <mouses> Paddy_NI: yeah :(  Might want to try another cable too to eliminate that.  Also, if the system you are testing speed from->to cannot keep up (perhaps a FUSE filesystem?) overhead can really take a big chunk out of throughput
[13:04] <Paddy_NI> mouses, What would be a good solid test?
[13:05] <mouses> Paddy_NI: two devices hooked into the same gigabit able router via LAN and a native sync operation
[13:05] <Paddy_NI> mouses, Would sftp suffice?
[13:06] <mouses> that'll take a bit of chunk out of it, but yeah - should be okay
[13:06] <Paddy_NI> Cool I guess if it climbs above 100mb/s then I know it's good
[13:06] <mouses> SSH is encrypted so you're going to get crypto overhead
[13:06] <Paddy_NI> Was thinking that
[13:06] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[13:06] <mouses> also the speed that the device you are copying to is a factor
[13:07] <mouses> like if it's a old 7200 RPM drive or something
[13:08] <Paddy_NI> Thanks for your time, I had my home rewired a few years back and had them add shielded cat5 cable however fishing that cable back through again looks to be a nightmare
[13:08] <mouses> heheh it always is :(
[13:08] <mouses> pain in the butt
[13:08] <lapion> jeremy31, sorry it's a ubuntu-mate 18043 problem..
[13:08] <Paddy_NI> mouses, Yeah :-(
[13:08] <sazawal> I have this bug in my recently installed gnome-shell for Ubuntu 19.04, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1822846 . Someone has mentioned that "This bug was fixed in the package gnome-shell - 3.32.1-1ubuntu1~19.04.1". My question is how do I apply this fix, or how do I upgrade my gnome-shell to this version. My gnome-shell version is GNOME Shell 3.32.0
[13:10] <Paddy_NI> mouses, Hmm.. I noticed this line in the Pi B+ spec "Networking: Gigabit Ethernet (via USB channel)"
[13:11] <mouses> Paddy_NI: ahhhh yeah
[13:11] <mouses> Paddy_NI: So you are limited by USB speed
[13:11] <mouses> and that's slow on a PI
[13:11] <Paddy_NI> Does that mean they use the same bus or I need a ethernet to usb adapter to get gigabit
[13:11] <Paddy_NI> Or buy a Pi 4
[13:11] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[13:11] <mouses> nah, you're likely limited by the storage device of the pi
[13:11] <mouses> is it using a SD card for storage?
[13:11] <Paddy_NI> Oh good point
[13:12] <Paddy_NI> Usb for boot drive and sd card for extra storage
[13:12] <Paddy_NI> USB is faster
[13:12] <mouses> yeah, so there's your bottleneck
[13:12] <mouses> USB is faster, but it's still USB
[13:12] <ioria> sazawal, gnome-shell for disco 19.04 is now 3.32.2-2ubuntu1~ubuntu19.04.1 (not 3.32.0); sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:12] <mouses> no where near 1000GB
[13:12] <Paddy_NI> Would that limit my entire network
[13:12] <mouses> nah, should just be when dealing with the pi
[13:12] <Paddy_NI> And it does not explain why my pc is getting "100 Mb/s"
[13:13] <Paddy_NI> Like currently the pi is off
[13:13] <mouses> something in the chain is likely not gigabit or the visual indication you are getting is not correct
[13:14] <Paddy_NI> okay
[13:15] <Cooler> can I use a .deb without installing it?
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> mouses, This is my switch https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/soho-switch/tl-sg108/
[13:15] <Cooler> just unpack and start using the application inside?
[13:15] <Cooler> it is ok if some features don't work properly
[13:17] <mouses> every single component on a network must be gigabit rated, such as the switches, hubs and network interface cards -> afaik, if you have even one device on that LAN that does not support 1000, you're going to get 100
[13:18] <Cooler> ./code: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:18] <tds> Paddy_NI: on a pi 3 you should see ~300Mb/s, but the interface should definitely come up at 1G - what does ethtool say about it exactly?
[13:19] <Cooler> help
[13:19] <mouses> Cooler: a .deb file not only includes the atual application, but all the versions of all the requirements needed.  You can't just normally try to use something inside a .deb file.
[13:19] <mouses> Cooler: What are you trying to run, and on what OS and what version?
[13:20] <Paddy_NI> tds, Installing ethtool now
[13:20] <Paddy_NI> On both PC and Pi
[13:20] <Cooler> mouses, well I don't have admin access on this server and I want to use vscode
[13:21] <mouses> Cooler: talk to the admin of that server
[13:21] <Paddy_NI> hmm.. so ethtool has a massive amount of options tds what do I need to run?
[13:21] <Cooler> mouses, on vacation
[13:21] <tds> Paddy_NI: `ethtool eth0` (swapping that for your ethernet interface name)
[13:21] <Cooler> so I downloaded the .deb package from the vscode website and unpacked
[13:22] <mouses> Cooler: if a simple dpgk -i foo.deb does not function, you'll need to talk to your server admin
[13:22] <mouses> dpkg*
[13:22] <Cooler> mouses, I can build stuff
[13:23] <Paddy_NI> tds, on the RPi 3b+ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BHs3ZGKYjD/
[13:23] <Cooler> I can build from source and run
[13:23] <Cooler> https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium
[13:23] <Cooler> will that work?
[13:23] <tds> Paddy_NI: so that's definitely up at 1G, no idea why network-manager would claim 100Mb/s then, odd
[13:23] <mouses> Cooler: If all the needed deps are available, sure.
[13:24] <Paddy_NI> tds, On my PC https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NcM4NmYNXd/
[13:24] <Cooler> ok how do I do that?
[13:24] <mouses> follow the instructions to build from source for whatever you are trying to build
[13:24] <tds> Paddy_NI: ah, that one is at 100M, but the nic claims to support 1G
[13:25] <Paddy_NI> tds, When I did a Steam Link connection test it did not climb beyond 100 Mb/s
[13:25] <Paddy_NI> tds, Oh
[13:25] <Paddy_NI> So my PC is the issue
[13:26] <tds> or the cable, or the switchport
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> hmm
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> What limiting factors would the cable have
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> I thought cat 5 was cat 5
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[13:27] <mouses> depends on length of run, quality of cable, condition of cable - there are so many factors
[13:27] <alekblank> Sorry, havent read the issue so forgive me if this is not being dicussed. Does the network adapted support faster than 100 MBPS
[13:28] <Paddy_NI> mouses, It's not a long run very short really
[13:28] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if the cable that the electricians put in is the problem
[13:28] <mouses> Paddy_NI: a good bet would be to isolate/bypass anything you can
[13:28] <mouses> it could be
[13:28] <mouses> eliminate any variable you can
[13:29] <alekblank> Yeah, thats not whats being discussed lol xD
[13:29] <mouses> alekblank: you're a bit late - that is 100% what we have been discussing :)
[13:29] <alekblank> oh okay lol
[13:30] <mouses> troubleshooting 101 = eliminate any possible unneeded variables to help isolate a point of failure.
[13:30] <alekblank> hence, the stupid questions from tech support. "Have you double checked that it is plugged in"
[13:30] <mouses> alekblank: bingo :P
[13:31] <mouses> alekblank: always start simple
[13:31] <Paddy_NI> Right so I have plenty of testing to do.  I have a laptop here with a Gigabit NIC. I could swap the cable from my desktop to that. Going to be disconnected for a sec.
[13:31] <mouses> Paddy_NI: I'm off to bed for the day, but good luck testing it!!!
[13:31] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[13:31] <mouses> Paddy_NI: you'll figure it out.
[13:31] <Paddy_NI> Thank you
[13:32] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[13:32] <mouses> anytime, sorry I was not of more use.
[13:32] <Paddy_NI> You've been great help
[13:41] <Paddy_NI> tds, mouses okay so I unplug the cable from my PC (which was reporting 100 Mb/s) and plugged it in to my ThinkPad T420 (running Windows 10) and it reported 1 Gbps. I then plugged same cable into an Alienware laptop running Ubuntu 19.10 which reports 1000 Mbp/s
[13:41] <Paddy_NI> I plugged the cable back into the PC and it now reports 1000 Mbp/s
[13:41] <Paddy_NI> I am confused
[13:41] <alekblank> it works, just accept it lol
[13:42] <Paddy_NI> X-D
[13:42] <alekblank> don't question it
[13:42] <Paddy_NI> That's not how my brain works
[13:42] <alekblank> same
[13:42] <Paddy_NI> I wish it did believe me I wish it did
[13:42] <Paddy_NI> My wife and everyone I know also wishes I worked that way too
[13:42] <Paddy_NI> X-D
[13:43] <alekblank> did you change the port on the router? or maybe the router didn't know it was a gigabit port and so was sending it megabit
[13:43] <Paddy_NI> It makes me wonder about either the ethernet port or the jack on the cable
[13:43] <Paddy_NI> Nope just unplugged cable
[13:43] <Cooler> so
[13:43] <Cooler> everything is still broken
[13:43] <Paddy_NI> I am going to run a steam link connection test on the pi now
[13:44] <Paddy_NI> Cooler, No it works
[13:44] <Paddy_NI> X-D
[13:44] <Cooler> I want to go home
[13:44] <alekblank> at work?
[13:44] <Paddy_NI> ME too and I already am home!!!
[13:44] <Paddy_NI> I might go to someone elses home
[13:45] <alekblank> lmao
[13:45] <Cooler> so this is the situation https://bpaste.net/raw/CDJVM
[13:45] <Paddy_NI> That's pretty nasty looking
[13:45] <Cooler> and this is what I get when I do that https://bpaste.net/raw/D3GJI
[13:46] <Paddy_NI> Are your sources okay?
[13:46] <Cooler> is it safe to kill frontend?
[13:46] <Cooler> well I gave it a SIGHUP and it's gone now
[13:46] <Paddy_NI> I honestly don't know where to begin. We would need to roll this one all the way back uphill
[13:47] <Cooler> Paddy_NI, well there is definitely something wrong with the software update
[13:47] <Cooler> r
[13:48] <Paddy_NI> How old is this install?
[13:48] <Cooler> https://bpaste.net/raw/GYXEW
[13:48] <Cooler> Paddy_NI, Ubuntu 18.04
[13:49] <Cooler> I installed it just a few months ago
[13:49] <alekblank> Is there a way to mount 2 drives in one folder?
[13:50] <alekblank> I guess that would be kinda confusing for the system wouldn't it
[13:51] <Cooler> so tmux is installed now
[13:51] <Cooler> but the entire package system is still borked
[13:51] <EriC^^> alekblank: overlayfs
[13:53] <Cooler> so https://i.imgur.com/CWhnEbq.png
[13:53] <Cooler> see all those updates?
[13:53] <alekblank> alright so my idea may be easier than i thought
[13:53] <Cooler> can't do any of those, these updates have been accumulating for several weeks now
[13:53] <Cooler> it just keeps failing
[13:54] <Cooler> anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[13:59] <huttan> Hello, I have a problem with ubuntu installer when installing on a luks volume. The grub install fails because the GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK variable hasn't been set. Is there anyway to modify an ongoing install on the fly and echo that line to the installers /etc/default/grub ??
[14:01] <alekblank> You can edit it by hitting e when you have the os selected I believe
[14:01] <alekblank> I don't think its a permanent fix though
[14:01] <huttan> alekblank, what would be an example of the path the ubuntu installers grub settings file use ?
[14:02] <huttan> alekblank, If I can somehow just temporary enter the line to make the installer work w/o grub install error. I can chroot and add to the actual files after the installer completes
[14:02] <alekblank> ive not looked through the iso in a while lol let me see
[14:03] <huttan> alekblank, thanks for looking
[14:03] <jeremy31> huttan: can you start the install booted into the ISO using terminal>  ubiquity -b
[14:04] <alekblank> Ohhh, sorry I didn't read your question very well sorry
[14:04] <huttan> jeremy31, ah .. ubiquity -b is the equivalent of double tapping the install ubuntu file on desktop ?
[14:05] <jeremy31> huttan: that should install without installing grub bootloader
[14:06] <huttan> jeremy31, ohh I see .. even better. Then I manually install boot loader when the installer finishes without error
[14:18] <geekPanther> Hey guys. In GPG How can I encrypt a file using my Private-Key so that the other person can use my public key to decrypt the message? How can I do this in CLI?
[14:19] <jaydemir> can anyone suggest a type of "Light Gun" that works on Ubuntu? (something I can hook a sensor up to a screen, kind of like arcade machine shooters and duck hunt)
[14:22] <klf> I am now loaded into the Ubuntu live installer but all I see is a black screen with a movable cursor (left and right buttons are unresponsive)
[14:23] <klf> I can switch to a different virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-<num>)
[14:23] <klf> how can I restart the live installer from the command line?
[14:24] <klf> how can I restart the live installer (test-and-install desktop environment)from the command line?
[14:25] <jeremy31> klf from terminal try> shutdown now
[14:26] <klf> that's not what I want.  I am going to try to restart the lightdm service now.
[14:26] <adrian_1908> klf: do you have exotic hardware that the installer craps out like this?
[14:28] <adrian_1908> klf: Also, consider trying a different release like 19.10 (if you can accept that).
[14:29] <klf> Yes, I am on old hardware (P4).  alright.  I am going to try to swap out the video card.
[14:33] <adrian_1908> klf: Ah ok. Another option might be to try an Ubuntu derivative. I like e.g. Xubuntu. If you mostly care about reviving an old machine, that's worth considering. Ubuntu always froze on my small netbook but Xubuntu ran fine.
[14:34]  * adrian_1908 not talking about ram constraints here, but graphics support/acceleration issues, as desktops are accelerated these days, and Ubuntu's Gnome3 more demanding in that department.
[14:35] <klf> adrian_1908 thanks.  but switching to an even older video card ATI 9600se 128MB fixed the issue.
[14:35] <adrian_1908> Ok, cool! :)
[14:35] <klf> I've always suspected something iffy with my https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-v9570.b1812
[14:51] <adrian_1908> klf: could also have been due to the modeset issue with Nvidia cards, if you're familiar with that. Your Ati card working hints at that possibility.
[14:53] <sazawal> ioria, Hi, sudo apt full-upgrade doesn't show gnome-shell update. Am I missing something here?
[14:56] <EriC^^> sazawal: type sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy gnome-shell
[14:58] <klf> adrian_1908, quite possibly b/c the blank-screen-with-only-a-movable-cursor issue appears in all version from 12.04 through 16.04 (the versions that I've tried)
[14:58] <klf> s/version/versions/
[14:59] <sazawal> EriC^^, gnome-shell:
[14:59] <sazawal>   Installed: 3.32.0+git20190410-1ubuntu1
[14:59] <sazawal>   Candidate: 3.32.0+git20190410-1ubuntu1
[14:59] <sazawal>   Version table:
[14:59] <sazawal>      3.32.2-2ubuntu1~ubuntu19.04.1 500
[14:59] <sazawal>         500 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-updates/main amd64 Packages
[15:00] <adrian_1908> klf: I assume you don't have the nerve to start over with the Nvidia card again, but otherwise you could pass the nomodeset to your LiveCD and see if that does it. Once the OS in installed, you then wouldn't run into that particular issue anymore.
[15:02] <klf> I have no problem starting over b/c all these livecd installers are being mounted/booted using the loopback method.
[15:03] <sazawal> EriC^^, here is the output https://termbin.com/zwdk
[15:03] <klf> So it's of little effort to try.
[15:04] <klf> i.e., the livecd ISOs are mounted/booted using the loop method.
[15:05] <klf> adrian_1908, ^
[15:06] <huttan> jeremy31, Thank you very much. This was exactly what I needed !
[15:07] <adrian_1908> Ok, have a look at online guides on setting the nomodeset kernel parameter for the LiveCD then. It might just work.
[15:07] <huttan> jeremy31, Have a great day
[15:08] <sazawal> EriC^^, One of my friends has accidentally upgraded the system from 19.04 to 19.10. And I didn't want it, so I downgraded it. Maybe this is causing the problem.
[15:08] <adrian_1908> klf: I think once (if) you install the proprietary drivers, the setting isn't even needed anymore. I don't have it set on my Workstation and that uses an Nvidia card.
[15:09] <adrian_1908> sazawal: May I ask why not? It's not like you're moving away from an LTS release.
[15:10] <sazawal> adrian_1908, I understand. But I didn't want a change as other things are going pretty fast for me.
[15:12] <adrian_1908> sazawal: Fair enough. In a few months you can switch to 20.04 and stick to that until the next LTS. That's often a sensible choice.
[15:12] <sazawal> adrian_1908, Yes, that is the plan, and I will do a fresh installation of 20.04
[15:14]  * adrian_1908 will be doing the same :)
[15:15] <sazawal> adrian_1908, Can you help me with this issue?
[15:16] <adrian_1908> sazawal: I'm watching sports and preparing a meal right now, maybe later. sorry!
[15:17]  * BluesKaj is already testing Kubuntu 20.04 Focal and it's really quite stable, dunno how well the gnome and flavours are doing tho
[15:17] <klf> adrian_1908, lo and behold; I have an Ubuntu Unity for the LiveCD environment
[15:17] <klf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029624/ubuntu-18-04-live-boot-leads-to-blank-screen
[15:18] <klf> It's a beautiful Saturday morning ladies and gentlemen
[15:18] <compdoc> BluesKaj, have you installed packages, like kvm?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> compdoc,  no, not using any VMs
[15:19] <klf> Now that I have resolved the issue, what does the kernel option 'nomodeset' actually do?
[15:23] <DirtyEar> Hi. I have a mixer Behringer XR18. The mixer has an app to work with it in Linux, but the app does not work. I found an older versionof the app and it works, but I want to try the last one. Any idea of what is missing in my PC?
[15:26] <adrian_1908> klf: Nice! Glad that worked.
[15:27] <klf> adrian_1908, Now that I have resolved the issue, what does the kernel option 'nomodeset' actually do?
[15:27] <sazawal> adrian_1908, Cool, thanks anyway :)
[15:28] <ioria> sazawal, let me guess; you literally did this : https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-downgrade-ubuntu-linux-system-to-its-previous-version
[15:34] <sazawal> ioria, yes you are right
[15:35] <ioria> sazawal, and did you read the comments below ?
[15:35] <sazawal> ioria, no :(
[15:38] <ioria> sazawal, there's  no downgrade on ubuntu. that said , probably 1) your packages are still pinned 2)  python3 is borked 3) sources.list is borked
[15:40] <ioria> sazawal, so, check your sources.list , remove /etc/apt/preferences ; check your python3 and update and full-upgrade again
[15:41] <sazawal> ioria, I have already edited my sources.list by changing eoan to disco. So I am removing etc/apt/preferences now. Will check python3 later.
[16:03] <DirtyEar> When I had Ubuntu 18 the app worked very well but in Ubuntu 19.10 does not work and I found some people with the same problem but in Ubuntu 18. I think is some library I have to install but I do not know wich one. This is a forum with the same problem but in Ubutu 18. If somebody may help me I will really appreciate it
[16:04] <DirtyEar> https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Recording/X-AIR-Edit-starts-and-runs-on-Linux-Ubuntu-18-04-but-doesn-t/td-p/269529
[16:09] <XLV> is the alternative installer for 32bit no longer available for 19.10?
[16:10] <XLV> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ doesnt work
[16:10] <pomeha> hello, after the last packages upgrade I now have broken behavior with l2tp tunnels: after I connect - the system doesn't seem to query the DNS specified for that connection
[16:11] <ducasse> XLV: 19.10 dropped 32-bit support
[16:12] <XLV> ducasse, they said the same for 19.04 but they offered a 32bit alternative mini.iso for 32bit
[16:12] <XLV> https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts
[16:13] <XLV> they are building 32bit packages for 19.10 and 20.04
[16:13] <ducasse> !32bit
[16:14] <XLV> hmm.. selected packages.. whatever that means.. oh well
[16:14] <XLV> i guess the old netbook doesnt get the 19.10 treatment .. time to RIP it
[16:15] <ducasse> or stay on bionic until it's eol
[16:15] <XLV> bah.. i am gonna make it a dedicated ikaros machine
[16:16] <XLV> *icaros
[16:18] <ioria> XLV, why don't you install 19.04 mini.iso 32bit and do-release-upgrade  it ?
[16:19] <XLV> ioria, yeah, thats something to try
[16:19] <ioria> ok
[16:19] <XLV> see what exactly this "selected packages" means and how it works out
[16:21] <pomeha> help, please
[16:21] <pomeha> how to diagnose that?
[16:23] <pomeha> nmcli section about DNS shows https://paste.ee/p/ZKK0b, so why does 'dig teamcity.workdomain.com` return nothing while `dig @<IP_ADDRESS> teamcity.workdomain.com` returns an IP?
[16:23] <pomeha> while I'm connected to VPN
[16:24] <tds> pomeha: what's the contents of /etc/resolv.conf on this system?
[16:25] <pomeha> tds: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>   options edns0   search workdomain.lan homelan
[16:25] <tds> that's systemd-resolved then, what's the output of `resolvectl`?
[16:25] <pomeha> hmm, not installed
[16:26] <tds> ah, probably an older systemd version then, `systemd-resolve --status` should do the same thing?
[16:27] <pomeha> tds: well, it output a set of rules for all interfaces + 'Global', I see `DNS Servers: <IP_ADDRESS>` for Lin 11 (ppp0)
[16:27] <tds> could you pastebin the whole thing? :)
[16:28] <pomeha> tds: https://paste.ee/p/hAG0k
[16:29] <tds> pomeha: you probably want to add workdomain.com to the list of search domains for that interface?
[16:29] <tds> at the moment only queries for workdomain.lan names would go to <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:29] <pomeha> tds: but it worked before
[16:30] <pomeha> weird
[16:30] <tds> i'm not sure how default resolver selection works on that resolved, it might've changed
[16:30] <tds> if you want to force all queries to use a specific interface's resolvers, you could also add ~. as a search domain
[16:31] <pomeha> tds: thanks, that worked!
[16:31] <osse> I have a couple of directories inside my homedir owned by root. Is this intentional? ~/.cache/dconf, ~/.dbus and ~/.gvfs
[16:32] <pomeha> weird how it used to work before that
[16:37] <LaurentDumont> Anyone having random "This program has stopped working..." even if the program in question wasn't working?
[16:38] <LaurentDumont> That's on a T480 running 19.04 with all updates.
[16:49] <DirtyEar> xlv: Hi. Excuse me. Im back. The one for 32 bits does not work on my pc
[16:52] <DirtyEar> I alredy ask this in this forum and somebody with UbuntuStudio 19.10 ( I have the same ubuntu distribution) download the app and the app works fine but In my pc does not work
[16:52] <DirtyEar> I mean, it opens but I not be able to "move" any buttons.
[16:54] <XLV> DirtyEar, havent used ubuntustudio and it doesnt have a 32bit release either.. probably the ubuntustudio specific apps have 32bit packages available
[16:54] <XLV> idk why it doesnt work for you
[16:55] <DirtyEar> XLV Anyway thanks for answer!
[16:56] <ducasse> DirtyEar: which app is this?
[16:56] <DirtyEar> I found and older version 0.5 and it works for now!
[16:56] <DirtyEar> ducasse the app is "X-AIR-Edit"
[16:57] <DirtyEar> It works like a surface control of some audio mixers from Behringer
[16:57] <adrian_1908> LaurentDumont: What's the program in question? A program might crash as it starts up.
[16:58] <LaurentDumont> I'm seeing a either Chrome or Terminator.
[16:58] <adrian_1908> LaurentDumont: And they randomly report this even though you haven't launched them?
[16:58] <ducasse> we really only support what is in the repos here, for third-party apps you need to get support of the developer. that said, did you try the ubuntu studio channel?
[16:59] <DirtyEar> Yes I have tried but nobody answers yet
[16:59] <DirtyEar> I have write to the Behringer Support but they do not know yet.
[17:01] <ducasse> that's the best suggestion i have, i'm afraid
[17:01] <DirtyEar> I think is some library or something becasue I have seen that in ubuntu 16 some people had to install something called "gcc-4.9" and "g++-4.9" in order to run the app. I have already installed the last version "gcc-9" and 2g++-9" but does not work. And in ubuntu 18 it worked perfect for me
[17:02] <DirtyEar> ducasse: Thanks. Just to be willing to help counts!
[17:04] <ducasse> DirtyEar: does it print any errors to the shell you launch it from?
[17:05] <DirtyEar> ducasse: I have tried but does not show me anything. If you know how to do that I can follow you
[17:07] <ducasse> you just start the app in a terminal, and pastebin any output
[17:10] <DirtyEar> ducasse: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vMZbKG6fNF/ Does not show anything to me. THe app opens but I not be able to do anything. Like a picture or something
[17:11] <DirtyEar> DirtyEar: This is how it looks like https://ibb.co/txBP2PB
[17:11] <ducasse> do you mean sliders etc are frozen, or that they move, but nothing happens on the mixer?
[17:12] <DirtyEar> Yes, you are right. frozen
[17:12] <DirtyEar> Like a photo. But the older version the one in lower case it works. Let me show you
[17:15] <DirtyEar> ducasse: This is what I get with the older version. I moved some sliders and opens the setup menu just to show you that the app works good. https://ibb.co/bdkYhwP
[17:16] <huttan> Is there any way to pre select /boot / and swap space when starting ubiquity ?
[17:20] <ducasse> DirtyEar: right. please give me a minute, i'm reading through something here
[17:20] <DirtyEar> ducasse: Take your time. Thanks a lot for your time!
[17:22] <XLV> DirtyEar, why you are running that app with sudo?
[17:24] <DirtyEar>  XLV when I right click on it, show me permission to just read. But i have tried without sudo and is the same result https://ibb.co/VN89xkr
[17:27] <ducasse> don't run apps as root unless you have a very good reason and know what you are doing. and the only people who can debug this is the developer, i think you need to talk to them
[17:28] <DirtyEar> ducasse: Ok. Thanks for the advice
[17:50] <apawl> Something strange is happening in my terminal.. When I "tab" to autocomplete something, my whole system seems to freeze. This is a recent behavior. Where can I determine _what's_ happening when I hit tab in the default ubuntu terminal?
[17:50] <apawl> Nothing seems to be suspicious on top while the terminal hangs
[18:00] <RadSurfer_> How do you change a file association to an application
[18:02] <EriC^^> RadSurfer_: right click -> properties
[18:02] <EriC^^> open with
[18:02] <RadSurfer_> file/permissions/open with... okay
[18:03] <ducasse> most desktops have a mime type editor, i think
[18:03] <RadSurfer_> file/properties/open with... okay
[18:12] <raidghost> Any of you that have next-pvr running? i got some issues with scanning channels (yes, i know this is #ubuntu and not the author channel for nextpvr) bit i give it a try.
[18:26] <bathtime> I'd like a program that can allow me to modify my keyboard keys to add accents to letters. Any recommendations?
[18:27] <scientes> bathtime, you need to enable the compose key
[18:27] <scientes> bathtime, I recommend using caps lock
[18:28] <bathtime> scientes: I activated the compose key and had a few accents working. Unfortunately, one accent doesn't work as I don't have the key that needs to be pressed (it's a straight apostrophe)
[18:29] <bathtime> I have my keyboard set on French (the language I want keys for)
[18:29] <ducasse> or use setxkbmap and xkbcomp to load your own keymap
[18:29] <bathtime> ducasse: Thanks, will look it up
[18:33] <kingx> hello, running into a weird issue since upgrading from 19.04 to 19.10. Whenever I start my PS4 controller, my desktop locks up.
[18:34] <kingx> any pointers on how to find out whats happening when the controller is turned on? After the restart the controller works fine
[18:35] <ducasse> you can run 'journalctl -b -1' to see the log from the previous boot, might be something there
[18:39] <RadSurfer_> from terminal, if I want to see a list of applications running with their process numbers, how do I do that please.
[18:39] <ducasse> RadSurfer_: ps ax
[18:40] <RadSurfer_> say I'm only interested in firefox?
[18:40] <ducasse> or aux to get the user as well
[18:40] <ducasse> pgrep firefox
[18:41] <RadSurfer_> sometimes FF locks up on me, not sure issue. I want to be able to kill it safely.
[18:42] <RadSurfer_> kill process_id somehow?
[18:43] <ducasse> that, or 'kill -9 pid' if it doesn't obey
[18:43] <RadSurfer_> that sounds familiar, thank you.
[18:44] <RadSurfer_> seems to work :)
[18:45] <ducasse> you can also use 'pkill firefox', to shorten things
[18:45] <RadSurfer_> will make a note of it.
[18:46] <RadSurfer_> Only a few apps seem to absolutely fail to run properly under Ubuntu
[18:47] <RadSurfer_> Is there a list of known software that has series issues under Ubuntu, even though they are in the repositiories?
[18:48] <ducasse> not as such, the nearest thing is the bug interface on launchpad
[18:49] <RadSurfer_> I tend to watch webcams alot, and pluto.tv, after about 2+ hours, firefox seems to act like its overwhelmed sometimes
[18:49] <RadSurfer_> Not sure if there's anything I can do that would help Ubuntu/PC handle that.
[18:50] <RadSurfer_> One program that seriously acts badly under Ubunder is Lazarus_IDE
[18:50] <ducasse> have you tried another browser, like chromium?
[18:50] <RadSurfer_> heck no.
[18:50] <RadSurfer_> Tried installing Brave-browser, but that acts weirdly too
[18:51] <RadSurfer_> I've managed to run 3+ hours with firefox on pluto.tv, maybe more I use it, more system adapts?
[18:51] <ducasse> i know others here use brave without problems, so that's odd
[18:52] <RadSurfer_> installed via snap?
[18:52] <ducasse> iirc, yes
[18:52] <RadSurfer_> 8gigs of ram available
[18:52] <ducasse> should be enough
[18:54] <RadSurfer_> Would you be willing see check if "Lazarus fpc" has a bug report please?
[18:54] <ducasse> if that's a third party package it won't be on launchpad
[18:55] <RadSurfer_> standard sudo apt instal lazarus fpc
[18:56] <ducasse> ok, those are two different packages, let me check
[18:56] <RadSurfer_> fpc is required to install lazarus
[18:56] <RadSurfer_> it's GNU Pascal Compiler & IDE
[18:57] <ducasse> lazarus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=lazarus&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[18:57] <RadSurfer_> thanks. BTW it runs perfectly under Linux mint, however
[18:58] <ducasse> which ubuntu release are you running?
[18:58] <RadSurfer_> I tired installed latest...
[18:58] <RadSurfer_> ''5.3.0-24-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP ''
[18:58] <ducasse> 19.10?
[18:59] <RadSurfer_> yeah
[18:59] <ducasse> and your system is up to date?
[18:59] <RadSurfer_> I allow all software updates
[19:00] <ducasse> you can file a bug on what you're experiencing, and hope the maintainers are active
[19:01] <RadSurfer_> Launching Lazarus IDE LOCKS UP system solid
[19:01] <coz_> to be sure I would run  sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[19:01] <RadSurfer_> that's a thought
[19:03] <ducasse> also check the logs
[19:03] <RadSurfer_> Okay... done :)
[19:04] <coz_> RadSurfer_,  try to run    system-analyze blame   maybe get an indication of what happened?
[19:04] <RadSurfer_> that bug list you posted dates back to 2011 !!
[19:05] <RadSurfer_> Strange how Linux Mint seems to be ahead of the game
[19:06] <ioria> RadSurfer_, gtk2 module or/and dbus  isse : https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,47240.0.html   the probable fix is installing  appmenu-gtk2-module
[19:06] <ioria> RadSurfer_, a long read, btw
[19:06] <RadSurfer_> THANK YOU! Appreciated.
[19:07] <coz_> sorry the command is  systemd-analyze blame   not  system-analyze blame
[19:19] <CarlenWhite> I'm trying to diagnose something. Is the print dialog for Ubuntu just "Print" > Connect to CUPS > POST file > Done?
[19:20] <CarlenWhite> Because I'm checking cups and for some reason I'm seeing: HTTP_STATE_WAITING Closing for error 32 (Broken pipe)
[19:20] <RadSurfer_> THANK YOU! ioria!! Lazarus fpc appears to actually work now!
[19:21] <ioria> RadSurfer_, good job
[19:21] <RadSurfer_> Thank you for sharing.
[19:22] <bathtime> Got the French keyboard working. I had to chose the keyboard setting (French (US, with French letters)
[19:38] <lenny_lemon> I have installed tor but when I search for it, it does not launch. ubuntu 18.04
[20:09] <cariveri> Hi. Does anyone know how to emit messages at the top the screen like npm does when its done compiling? in bash for instance. ? Thank you.
[20:11] <ducasse> you can use notify-send
[20:18] <molt> hey y'all. I'm running ubuntu 18.04 64bit (gnome desktop) on my laptop. It is painfully obvious that Hibernate and Sleep are completely and utterly broken. I don't actually care, but I want to completely turn them off.
[20:18] <molt> I've gone trough and turn off everything sleep related in the system, but no Joy.
[20:19] <molt> If I lock the screen (windows-key and L) and leave for too long the system is basically dead (black screen and any key presses you make don't wake it up again --- must hard reboot)
[20:20] <molt> Also, if I turn on my system and don't log in the same thing happens --- after waiting too long it goes to sleep state and never comes out
[20:20] <ioria> molt, try   : sudo nano  /etc/systemd/sleep.conf   and edit with :  [Sleep]   SuspendMode=false  (on 2 different lines)
[20:21] <ducasse> also take a look at /etc/logind.conf, there are settings for how to react on lid open/close
[20:22] <molt> ducasse - already modified those. I always like my pc to stay on when lid is closed (one of the 1st things I do). It works correctly.
[20:23] <molt> ioria: thanks. just looked in there. everything was commented out. I uncommented "SuspendMode=" and set it to "false"
[20:23] <molt> let me restart my machine, then test it (locking screen or just sitting on login screen without logging in)
[20:23] <molt> be right back with an update
[20:40] <molt> hey y'all. no joy. System still locks up.
[20:40] <molt> I even went back into the config file and turned EVERYTHING off explicitely
[20:40] <molt> still no joy
[20:41] <ioria> molt, cat /etc/systemd/sleep.conf  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:42] <molt> ioria: got it. one moment
[20:42] <molt> ioria: done
[20:42] <ioria> and ?
[20:42] <molt> https://termbin.com/80tm
[20:45] <ioria> molt, gsettings list-recursively | grep -i suspend  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:45] <molt> btw: catting a config file and piping it to a website, then getting a url of the catted contents is THE DEFINITION of Badass
[20:45] <molt> ioria: roger. I'm on it
[20:45] <molt> ioria: done --> gsettings list-recursively | grep -i suspend  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:45] <ioria> the url , please
[20:46] <molt> damn... didn't paste my term contents
[20:46] <molt> i know
[20:46] <molt> one sec
[20:46] <molt> that was strange
[20:46] <molt> termbin.com/tymhg
[20:48] <ioria> molt, you have org.gnome.desktop.screensaver ubuntu-lock-on-suspend set to 'true' ; set it to false
[20:48] <molt> was looking at that entry as well
[20:48] <cariveri> ducasse: thanks. thats it.
[20:48] <molt> but was ultimately just thinking right now that it shouldn't even go to suspend
[20:49] <molt> and lock on suspend should mean that the user is asked for a password when returning from suspend right?
[20:49] <molt> anyhow. I'll try it anyway ;)
[20:49] <molt> how do I edit that second file?
[20:52] <molt> ioria: how do I edit that second file?
[20:53] <ioria> molt, it's not a file ; you do :  gsettings  set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver ubuntu-lock-on-suspend 'false'  ( and revert with 'true')
[20:53] <ioria> molt, but if sleep.conf does not work, might be something else
[20:53] <molt> gotcha. enter in terminal --> gsettings  set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver ubuntu-lock-on-suspend 'false'
[20:55] <ioria> sleep.conf should disable 'sleep' mfor good
[20:55] <molt> ioria: exactly
[20:55] <ioria> no idea, sy
[20:57] <molt> ioria: no worries. that was a really good try
[20:57] <molt> ioria: I highly appreciate the effort
[21:08] <molt> trying this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/stop-the-screen-from-blanking-in-ubuntu/678
[21:08] <molt> brb
[21:11] <SomeT> anyone know how I find a file by its name and extension on ubuntu command line please?
[21:13] <rfm> SomeT, "locate <filename>"
[21:15] <LaurentDumont> That requires locate though
[21:15] <LaurentDumont> You can use find / -name $FILE_NAME
[21:17] <EriC^^> SomeT: find / -iname 'file.extension'
[21:19] <SomeT> do I include the dollar sign?
[21:21] <EriC^^> SomeT: no
[21:21] <EriC^^> SomeT: if you want case insensitive search use -iname rather than -name, also it's good practice to use single quotes as sometimes if you want to use . and * and other stuff the shell might process that instead by mistake
[21:22] <SomeT> thanks for the help
[21:23] <EriC^^> no problem
[21:44] <eruditehermit> hi, I'm having trouble getting my bash shell script to run with cron. My crontab tries to redirect stdout to a log file in my home dir but it doesn't appear to be invoking my script at all as the file isn't being created. I've tried googling but I can't figure out what is wrong.
[21:46] <eruditehermit> my crontab looks like this: 43 4 * * * touch /home/username/test.log 2>&1
[21:47] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: whats the actual line for your script
[21:47] <ducasse> that command has no output unless it fails
[21:49] <leftyfb> eruditehermit: also, use full pathnames
[21:49] <leftyfb>  /usr/bin/touch
[21:51] <eruditehermit> EriC^^, ducasse, leftleg_: 41 4 * * * /home/username/copy_data.sh >> /home/username/myscript.log 2>&1
[21:52] <leftyfb> eruditehermit: write your log file from within your script
[21:53] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: are you doing it from the cron of the same user?
[21:55] <eruditehermit> EriC^^ yes. Though I tried with sudo too. Neither work. Even the touch isn't executing
[21:56] <eruditehermit> root users crontab and regular users crontab
[21:56] <eruditehermit> syslog says RELOAD
[21:56] <eruditehermit> but the actual command never gets executed
[21:57] <EriC^^> whats the line in syslog for it
[21:58] <eruditehermit> Dec  7 16:53:01 workstation-0 cron[674]: (username) RELOAD (crontabs/username)
[21:58] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: it should say something like CRON[16246]: (e) CMD (touch /home/
[21:58] <eruditehermit> EriC^^, yeah that isn't happening
[21:59] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: type as your user 'crontab -l | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:59] <EriC^^> also 'systemctl status cron'
[22:00] <eruditehermit> EriC^^, service is running
[22:01] <EriC^^> what about the paste
[22:02] <eruditehermit> sent it to you
[22:02] <eruditehermit> https://termbin.com/48dm
[22:03] <EriC^^> it looks fine
[22:04] <EriC^^> odd, for some reason cron is not running the commands
[22:04] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: does "grep 'CRON.*CMD' /var/log/syslog" return anything?
[22:07] <eruditehermit> https://termbin.com/twmy
[22:09] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: do you have any "/etc/cron.deny" file?
[22:09] <eruditehermit> EriC^^, nope
[22:10] <eruditehermit> it's very weird, even some simple commands will not run
[22:11] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: yeah it's a problem with CRON, it's not even attempting to run them
[22:12] <EriC^^> eruditehermit: i wonder if it's user specific or system-wide, you said you tried from root's crontab with the same results?
[22:12] <eruditehermit> EriC^^, yes I tried with the roots crontab and it doesn't work from there either
[22:14] <EriC^^> odd, i'm out of ideas, i'd recommend asking in ##linux as well
[22:26] <lbracher> Hi there! How can I save files on an ext4 partition after an sudo rm -rf * ? TIA!
[22:26] <lbracher> Ubuntu box is 18.04
[22:27] <ducasse> try extundelete
[22:27] <lbracher> ducasse, Yes, I tried! Is this the best option nowadays?
[22:28] <ducasse> that, and photorec/testdisk
[22:28] <lbracher> ducasse, good to know! Thank you!\
[22:28] <ducasse> no problem, good luck
[22:29] <ducasse> if you can, though, make an image of the partition before you start messing with it
[23:14] <AlexBe> may be instaled firefox 71 to ubuntu 9?
[23:19] <AlexBe> ubuntu 8.10*
[23:19] <AlexBe> Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope)Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala)
[23:21] <blue1> 9.10 is no longer supported
[23:23] <ducasse> !eol | AlexBe
[23:26] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[23:26] <OerHeks> or wait for the release next hours..
[23:45] <Ann1ca> Is there any tool, similar to linux man pages, so one can get info / help in the terminal about HTML / CSS ?


[04:09] <Ascavasaion> I have two monitors plugged into my lapyop, three displays.  I extended the desktop.  When I right click the desktop it tells me "Desktop manager is not active."  Running 'sudo pcmanfm --desktop' Fixes it temporarily.  Any idea what could have caused this, and how to fix it please?
[15:43] <sakir> hi everyone
[15:53] <plop6> hello
[16:07] <plop6> i want to theme an debian computer with lubuntu flavor, is there any guide out there ?
[16:22] <Munsko> Hello, you could try find a way to install LXQT on your debian(dont know if its possible)
[16:23] <strobe2020> where is wxl ? he seems to be the only one who answers questions here
[16:24] <teward> plop6: i believe that's offtopic here though because Debian, and there's no guides about how to do it.
[16:25] <teward> Munsko: Debian has LXQt yes
[16:25] <teward> it's how I deploy my Debian Unstable VMs that need GUIs
[16:25] <teward> but that's a bit outside the scope of Lubuntu support since you're asking how to alter Debain
[16:25] <teward> strobe2020: wxl answers most frequently yes but there's a lot of other people here who answer questions too
[16:26] <strobe2020> teward, well i posted one yesterday
[16:26] <strobe2020> still no response
[16:26] <teward> well consider that you don't usually get answers from anyone unless they know a solution
[16:27] <kc2bez> What did you post strobe2020 ? I don't see it.
[16:28] <strobe2020> i have admin rights to a remote host. i simply want to log into my own desktop instance
[16:28] <strobe2020> there is already another user running an xsession on it
[16:33] <kc2bez> strobe2020: You may want to read this thread on our discourse site https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/switch-to-a-second-graphical-user-session-without-closing-the-first-one/744
[16:33] <strobe2020> kc2bez, i'll do that, thx
[16:35] <kc2bez> I've never experimented with that strobe2020 so I don't have firsthand experience.
[16:54] <Munsko> How can i add in the hotbar a new item?(where u have firefox,files explorer and "show the desktop")
[16:55] <wxl> DND
[17:34] <strobe2020> kc2bez, so, i tried your suggestion and got this error message:
[17:35] <strobe2020>  /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg.wrap: Only console users are allowed to run the X server
[17:35] <strobe2020> I am logged in remotely
[17:35] <strobe2020> but i created and edited the ~/.xinitrc
[17:46] <kc2bez> strobe2020: So by logged in remotely I am guessing via ssh?
[17:51] <strobe2020> kc2bez, yes, ssh with private key authentication. i'm logged in via virtual console tty, but i get the same error message even if i use a an xterminal.
[17:51] <strobe2020> apparently, there needs to be a physical person at the host computer to run the startx command from a virtual console
[17:52] <strobe2020> but i haven't tested that yet, so i don't know if it works. if it does, then i'd need to connect via vncserver which is also running
[17:52] <strobe2020> i just need to know which screen number it's using
[17:54] <strobe2020> i'm already running ssh -YC to run a graphics program from the host, but i'd like a full desktop environment while a different user is using the same computer, also running their own desktop
[17:54] <strobe2020> to basically have two users using the same system, running lxqt deskops and staying out of each other's way
[18:01] <denis_> hello


[11:44] <Mitsch[m]> Just a guess: Is using 2 soundcards a problem? I have the built in Intel and a RME HDSP working parallel.


[19:53] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:59] <hads> morning
[22:39] <mwhudson> morning
[22:58] <atamira> morning
[22:58] <atamira> for 2 more minutes at least