[00:06] <TJ-> Doing a few more experiments here because noticed after altering logind.conf suspend wasn't happening on lid close at all ;S
[00:12] <TJ-> this is weird... it seems like the problem only occurs before some property is specifically saved/set.. I've got 2 identical laptops side-by-side, fresh installs of 19.04, with both x-p-m set to Suspend on Lid close for Battery and/or AC, and those properties confirmed via "grep -rn lid ~/.config/" - the one with /etc/systemd/logind.conf HandleLidSwitch*=ignore does not suspend on lid close (screen
[00:12] <TJ-> does DPMS off).
[00:39] <TJ-> Would there be anywhere else a setting might be recorded, by either logind, or x-p-m, on a system level rather than per-user? It seems like once the changes have been made, even after removing them, some trace remains (even over a reboot so not in /run/) and I cannot reproduce even with a new user account
[16:44] <brainwash> bluesabre: can you confirm that bug 1046695 is fixed?
[16:44] <brainwash> magically
[16:46] <brainwash> mmh
[16:47] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=bd6481d170cebb56b33a38806e021a5781d82c6c
[16:52] <brainwash> brainwash: you have this one on your list? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15428
[20:49] <TJ-> I've been doing more tests of the LCD being turned off after lid-close suspend-resume. It works fine first cycle of suspend-resume, but blanks on 2nd cycle
[20:52] <TJ-> *but* when x-p-m > Security > lock on suspend is *disabled* LCD is blank as soon as system resumes even on first cycle
[20:58] <TJ-> HOWEVER, if x-p-m dialog is left on-screen during the suspend-resume cycle the LCD always recovers
[21:27] <brainwash> TJ-: but isn't the x-p-m version in 18.04 and 19.04 basically the same?
[21:29] <brainwash> TJ-: did you try anything gpu related yet?
[21:29] <TJ-> brainwash: in what way GPU related?
[21:29] <brainwash> gpu driver to be precise
[21:29] <TJ-> This affects any GPU across (now) 9 laptops
[21:30] <brainwash> all intel GPUs?
[21:30] <TJ-> and it only affects the user session; TTYs can be switched to and LCD is fine, but goes off as soon as switch back to user session
[21:30] <TJ-> No, Intel, AMD, Nvidia
[21:30] <brainwash> okay
[21:31] <brainwash> that is odd
[21:31] <TJ-> it's some weird interaction with the Lid handling of logind/x-p-m/light-locker from what I can tell
[21:31] <TJ-> Originally I did some major digging and debugging of light-locker alnd lightdm (last year) but being hit by this again for 19.04 found this x-p-m interaction and so want to solve it!
[21:32] <TJ-> I'm starting to worry I'll break the lid hinges :D
[21:33] <TJ-> it's got to be some internal state getting confused as to what the DPMS state is currently, and toggling it to the wrong state
[21:33] <brainwash> it's odd that a wide range of hardware is affected in your case
[21:34] <TJ-> greeter shows fine when lock is enabled, but screen goes off as soon as password entered, but can switch to TTYs and screen is on again, Alt+F7 bac to user session, screen goes off
[21:34] <TJ-> I've been doing clean installs from a 19.04 desktop amd64 ISO on USB to ensure there's no inherited config
[21:35] <TJ-> I can't let users have the laptops with this going on; I work around since 18.04 by manually suspended before closing the lid :)
[21:35] <brainwash> uhm
[21:36] <brainwash> tried with xfce4-screensaver yet?
[21:36] <brainwash> it's new in 19.04
[21:36] <TJ-> is that installed by default? or an add-on ?
[21:36] <ochosi> just a heads up, you pinged yourself there: "brainwash$ brainwash: you have this one on your list? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15428"
[21:36] <ochosi> :)
[21:36] <brainwash> I noticed that ochosi
[21:37] <brainwash> but thought that no one else will, or if then not mention it :)
[21:37] <ochosi> :)
[21:37] <ochosi> regarding the LP issue you mentioned above (minimize button missing), yes, that's fixed
[21:37] <brainwash> TJ-: it's a new locker, just not installed by default yet
[21:37] <TJ-> grrr, just installing screensaver and system suspends due to battery!
[21:38] <brainwash> ochosi: after all these years!
[21:39] <TJ-> brainwash: Wow!
[21:39] <TJ-> I just opened its settings an there's a big warning "Xfce power manager is not configured to handle laptop lid events" - is this expected, or a big clue?
[21:41] <brainwash> that's /xfce4-power-manager/logind-handle-lid-switch
[21:41] <TJ-> yes, it chaned it from true to false
[21:42] <TJ-> changed it
[21:42] <TJ-> Is screensaver going to argue with light-locker if light-locker is left with its default to lock when suspending?
[21:43] <brainwash> maybe
[21:43] <brainwash> you could kill the current running process
[21:43] <brainwash> and disable the autostart entry
[21:45] <TJ-> ahh, no, I disabled that in x-p-m Security and it disabled the screensavers setting too
[21:46] <TJ-> and with that enabled, on resume get login dialog as per usual, and as soon as password entered LCD goes off (but TTYs are fine)
[21:49] <brainwash> with xfce4-screensaver?
[21:51] <TJ-> yes
[21:53] <brainwash> really?
[21:53] <TJ-> and I'm noticing, with screensaver, the behaviour of how screensaver acts (unrelated to this issue) is all over the place. It seems to be inhibiting suspend for about 30 seconds before system suspends after lid closed. On resume it displays the previous content of the desktop before replacing that with the password dialog, then blanking for fraction of a second, then returning.
[21:53] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver runs in the same TTY
[21:53] <TJ-> Entering password - so far - hasn't resulted in lost display .... but got a few more cycles to test - i'm getting lost in all the permutations
[21:54] <TJ-> and... its gone blank on 2nd, or is it 3rd, cycle!
[21:55] <brainwash> uhm
[21:57] <brainwash> I just remembered something
[21:57] <brainwash> /etc/UPower/UPower.conf -> IgnoreLid=true
[21:57] <brainwash> you tried this already?
[22:01] <TJ-> Not so far, no. I've just added --debug to lightdm's service file in case there's clues there
[22:01] <TJ-> closed lid but it hasn't suspended; looks to be inihibted and waiting the timeout
[22:01] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver does not use lightdm though
[22:02] <TJ-> the DM is lightdm, I just wanted to see if it logs anything related to events.
[22:03] <TJ-> This time it failed on 1st cycle
[22:06] <TJ-> thi would be funny if wasn't tragic! whilst the screen was dead, closed lid, suspended... resumed and the password login dialog is shown, as soon as password is entered, screen off!
[22:07] <TJ-> I wonder if this is backlight and not a full DPMS off? I'll try shining a torch next time but I think I tried this last year :)
[22:12] <TJ-> I'm monitoring the lid switch uevent first, than I'll try changing the UPower setting
[22:22] <ochosi> Unit193: is /usr/share/xubuntu/applications/xfce4-terminal.desktop a distro-specific file? any idea where that's coming from? at least i dont find anything in xfce4-terminal's git about this minimal/semi-broken desktop file
[22:23] <ochosi> Unit193: background: xfce4-terminal registers at the session manager with this desktop file
[22:23] <ochosi> Unit193: and since it contains no icon name, there's no icon in the session-settings dialog
[22:25] <Unit193> That is, of course, shipped in xubuntu-default-settings such that xfce4-terminal is hidden in favor of exo-terminal-emulator.desktop.
[22:28] <TJ-> brainwash: UPower *may* have worked around it; only done 3 cycles so far though
[23:03] <TJ-> brainwash: done many cycles now and it does seem to have solved the issue; Rather disconcertingly though, the options to set Lid close policy in x-p-m's General tab have been removed as a result


[14:07] <Luyin> hi everyone, I've got a problem with the keyboard layout and I'm not sure which package the issue is related to. is that the right place to ask?
[14:08] <penguin42> maybe, ask the question
[14:08] <penguin42> what type of problem?
[14:10] <Luyin> I've got a german layout set up, but sometimes the layout switches to english (us I suppose) without indicating it in the global menu bar (unity). I can switch it back to German, but when I change applications, the setting isn't persistent, it continues being english.
[14:12] <penguin42> ok, so I'm thinking something like indicator-keyboard-service
[14:12] <penguin42> Luyin: I suggest indicator-keyboard
[14:13] <Luyin> penguin42: ok, so before I file a bug report, can I check for myself if there's something wrong with it? don't want to file one if it might not be necessary because it's just misconfiguration or something like that
[14:15] <penguin42> Luyin: Maybe check the 'Text entry settings' on the indicators menu, and does it have 'use the same source for all windows' ?
[14:16] <Luyin> penguin42: yes it does use this option. I've tried if checking 'different sources for each window' changes the behaviour, but it doesn't
[14:17] <penguin42> Luyin: I suggest reporting it, you might try finding a unity person somewhere to see if they can suggest anything else
[14:18] <Luyin> penguin42: ok, will do. thanks for the tips


[00:06] <bobloblian> Hello, I got my new Aquaris E5 yesterday, so I ran down and got a sim card.  It appears that the sim card is detected by the phone because when I swipe from the top and go under network, it will say the sim is unregistered or searching, or sometimes it says denied, but when I go into cellular settings and search for carriers it finds none.
[00:07] <bobloblian> how can I find more info about why it is failing?
[00:09] <bobloblian> in case it matters, I am in northern canada, but the cell company says it supports 2g and 3g, and hspa
[00:09] <Didge-> That's interesting, have you "activated" the SIM prior with the telecom? I've never heard of this happening and really I don't have a complete answer.
[00:10] <Didge-> Maybe you can search for the carrier settings on google, and insert them yourself to get the 8bit SIM CPU to connect to the carrier via the phone then?
[00:10] <bobloblian> The sim has never been in another phone, if that is what you mean...
[00:11] <bobloblian> hm.  I need to interpret that answer on google, give me a few minutes
[00:11] <Didge-> No that's fine, I understand that.. Maybe the SIM will not connect unless it has been activated, I'm in the UK and CAN/US do things differently I think. Sorry I could not be of more help to you.
[00:11] <Didge-> What phone company do you use?
[00:11] <Didge-> the new SIM!
[00:11] <bobloblian> I am connecting through a company called iristel
[00:12] <Didge-> okie, I will try to search with you and maybe we can come up with something eh :D
[00:14] <bobloblian> by carrier settings, are you talking about APN?
[00:14] <Didge-> That sounds just the ticket APN settings..
[00:14] <bobloblian> Thanks for helping, by the way, you are awesome :)
[00:15] <Didge-> Don't worry mate, it's no hassle for me.. Even though I don't fully know what the settings are I'm sure we can find something to move this process along a bit more heh
[00:15] <bobloblian> okay, so the APN for internet, according to the store, is net.icew.ca
[00:16] <Didge-> They seem to be a VoIP provider more then a normal telco carrier, have you enabled "Data connection" in some way shape or form.
[00:16] <bobloblian> Yes, they have given me a data plan...
[00:17] <bobloblian> while I was at the store, we took a sim card out of a different phone from the only other carrier up here, and it wouldn't detect any cell networks using that card either...
[00:17] <bobloblian> I spent about an hour there yesterday and we all tried to make it work...
[00:19] <bobloblian> the way they explained it to me, and showed me on their android phones, when the sim card is in, it should show all the networks that can be joined too.  one guy said it was like the antenna wasn't working...
[00:21] <Didge-> That is as about as weird as it could get mate.. That's really odd, you know.. Even they noticed it!!
[00:21] <Didge-> They are right though, in Android it should just pop up and ask if you wanna switch carrier.. Let me see if I can find out how Ubuntu Touch goes about doing this online.
[00:23] <bobloblian> The only place I found was under system settings=>cellular=>carrier
[00:24] <bobloblian> I was wondering if there is a log file I can look at that will tell me about the cell network connection?
[00:25] <Didge-> Their would be nothing in the file anyway mate, if it does not even pick-up a signal when the SIM in inserted all the file would contain just junk I reckon :(
[00:25] <Didge-> Have you inserted there APN settings into the device used now?
[00:28] <bobloblian> I did insert the APN settings yes...
[00:28] <bobloblian> I set it to use custom and put the setting in, they said no user/pass...
[00:28] <bobloblian> when I go back to it, the setting is still in there, but the custom option becomes unchecked...
[00:28] <Didge-> I know orange here in the UK use both user/pass as the word "orange"!
[00:29] <Didge-> it's the IMEI and SIM ID their after to proving that the SIM is one of theirs of something along them lines like..
[00:29] <Didge-> you could maybe try the company name as the APN usr/pass
[00:30] <bobloblian> I can find the IMEI, but I do not know where to find the SIM ID...
[00:31] <bobloblian> I guess if the phone is detecting the card, it should be listed somewhere?
[00:31] <bobloblian> I will phone them again in a minute to confirm about the user/pass...
[00:32] <Didge-> no no no, that's not for you, I was just explaining how the telco know it's their SIM, the basic process..
[00:33] <Didge-> I have the EE APN settings and I don't think they would be to far from anyone elses bar an IP and a few things.
[00:33] <Didge-> Name - EE Internet
[00:33] <Didge-> APN - everywhere
[00:33] <Didge-> Username - eesecure
[00:33] <Didge-> Password - secure
[00:33] <Didge-> MMSC - http://mms/
[00:33] <Didge-> MMS Proxy - <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:33] <Didge-> MMS Port - 8080
[00:33] <Didge-> Authentication type - PAP
[00:33] <Didge-> the information you are looking for will in some form look like the above.
[00:34] <Didge-> But alas this firm have not publicly displayed their current settings and even worse still, hardly anything at all for customer support.. Must be costly for them to have to employ so many folks to answer questions like this when they can just have them online for everyone of their users..
[00:36] <Didge-> You should tell them about the exact model of your cell phone too and ask if they can go through the process with you while you are on-call.. Your paying for bill so you do require the support, otherwise you would take your hard earned cash elsewhere mate ;)
[00:37] <bobloblian> heh, in northern Canada carrier options are limited, not many places to take my cash too ;)
[00:37] <Didge-> Make sure you tell them you've got 6 kids and you had to skimp on bread and water this week to get to grips with their tech, LOL ;)
[00:37] <Didge-> Bunch of Bumba's eh.. Canada monopoly too I see ;D
[00:37] <bobloblian> actually, ice is the non-monopoly company, that is why I went with them...
[00:38] <Didge-> Jesus, you lot don't win eh!
[00:38] <bobloblian> trying to help them break into the system, because the monopoly company is pretty evil...
[00:38] <bobloblian> not yet, but we keep trying and we will some day
[00:39] <bobloblian> So when I am talking to them, is there any info I can give them from the phone about what might cause the failure to scan the networks?
[00:39] <bobloblian> besides "doesn't work"
[00:40] <Didge-> Not really, from what you are saying you have a fully working device, apart from when you insert this SIM card into said device..
[00:41] <Didge-> The only option would be to try the same new SIM in another device and see what happens.. You could have a defective SIM at the worst state of affairs..
[00:42] <Didge-> You could just list the make and model and OS usage of your cell phone and they should be able to do the handy work for you.
[00:43] <bobloblian> right.  we didn't try that, but we did put a known-good sim card into this phone and it did the same...
[00:43] <bobloblian> I will get on the phone with them now, I know the close soon.  thanks for the input, I will be back later, I am sure
[00:44] <Didge-> it's no worries mate, I'm sure everyone is here to help.. My first time in the channel hehe
[00:45] <Didge-> I think maybe you have a defective phone now.. Just from what you have said, I would try the NEW and old SIMs on two devices and see what happens too :)
[00:45] <Didge-> When did you buy this device?
[00:46] <bobloblian> just got delivered to me yesterday...
[00:46] <Didge-> yep, I just scrolled up and taken a look at what you wrote earlier..
[00:46] <Didge-> You could well have a defective phone from the off of opening the package if the new SIM works in another device..
[00:47] <Didge-> Un less there is by chance some hidden mystical menu that only the phone manufacturer knows about but I highly doubt anything like that goings on.
[00:48] <Didge-> You tried just hooking it up to a WiFi connection and seeing if the WiFi even works?
[00:48] <bobloblian> ya, wifi works, got email on dekko and such, gave it a good going over last night.  everything working except the cell network, and related apps of course
[00:49] <bobloblian> I considered starting with BQ to ask for support, but never got a chance to call them today.  It's so hard to be popular ;)
[00:49] <Didge-> Jesus, you have me stumped here I can tell you that now, it's a strange event unless we have both missed something really obvious here.
[00:50] <bobloblian> heh, not just me and you, three guys down at the wireless store too ;)
[00:50] <mTeK> Is the frequency supported on the phone and your carrier
[00:50] <bobloblian> so they say...
[00:52] <Didge-> Right I'm very sorry for leaving but it's 0200hours here in the UK and I need to get a nap for a while :) I'll be back in ten, twelve hours and I would be interested in hearing about how this plays out for you :)
[00:52] <Didge-> Night guys, nice to meet you all btw :D
[00:53] <bobloblian> night didge, thanks again
[01:01] <bobloblian> just got off the phone with the cell company.  On both 2g and 3g, they support 450, 850, and 1900.  the phone on 3g only does 900 and 2100, but on 2g it does list 850 and 1900 as supported frequencies...
[01:02] <bobloblian> the other cell company also supports the 900 and 2100 on the 3g band, so in theory, it should still detect those networks even if it doesn't connect to them
[01:03] <bobloblian> really starts to look like this is a hardware problem
[01:23] <Didge-> I have just got an eMail from Linaro regarding WiseDevice, I have a meeting via t'internet tomorrow.. How kewl is that, love the ubuntu community :)
[01:23] <nhaines> Ooh, congrats!
[01:25] <Didge-> Cheers pal :) Even if it's a bugger off, I would still be happy to go through the motions and work with the linaro and ubuntu community.. it's got massive potential on the open market :D Well it has had for the last 5-7 years i reckon :)
[01:25] <Didge-> Can't wait! Anyway I better hit the sack. Just thought I would pop in and let you guys know, maybe we can all see how the outcome goes tomorrow eh :)
[01:25] <Didge-> Night fellas and thanks for having me :)
[01:27] <duflu> bobloblian: Still no luck? Try emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and you can also join the list if you want: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone)
[01:45] <bobloblian> duflu: no luck yet.  Everything is pointing me at this being a physical problem with the device, so I have submitted a ticket with BQ and will see what they have to say before I proceed with other diagnostics
[01:46] <bobloblian> if it is a hardware problem, not much point in trying to configure my way out of it...
[01:47] <bobloblian> But I will join the mailing list, it's the best way to learn ;)
[01:50] <JanC> bobloblian: might be a regulatory thing too
[01:54] <bobloblian> JanC: you mean like a phone that isn't configured by the cell company can't connect to the cell company's network, or you mean something to do with the frequencies?
[02:06] <JanC> bobloblian: both, to some degree; they might block phones that are considered "incompatible"/"untested"?
[02:06] <JanC> also, did you try to disable 3G as those frequencies don't match up?
[02:08] <bobloblian> hm.  according to the guys at the store any phone that supports the sim card should work, but this phone definitely isn't one of the standard manufacturers for this area, so I guess that is a possibility..
[02:08] <bobloblian> yes, I set to use the 2g only (save battery) option
[02:11] <bobloblian> tried toggling just about every setting I could find in the cellular settings, actually...
[02:11] <bobloblian> s/just//
[07:38] <zzarr> hello! I upgraded my phone today :D
[07:38] <Stanley00> zzarr: congratz :3 How's it going now?
[07:39] <zzarr> looks the same to me, except for the boot up animation which is like on a computer now :)
[07:40] <zzarr> ohh... there's a tethering icon in the settings app now
[07:43] <Hawk_> try port ubuntu touch. any clue on where to look to add the terminal app?
[07:44] <Hawk_> adbd started and not working. need that to troubleshoot
[07:44] <nik90> Hawk_: you can install the terminal-app from the ubuntu-touch store.
[07:44] <nik90> Hawk_: the source is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app, you can build an armhf click and sideload it also if you want
[07:45] <Hawk_> unfortunately wifi not working yet
[07:46] <Hawk_> sideload seem like a good option though
[07:47] <Hawk_> hmmm...the recovery for utouch does not seem to have sideload option?
[07:49] <tsdgeos> adb push ?
[07:56] <Hawk_> ok. i dont understand enuff of touch app yet to push to the right location. will investigate
[08:22] <Hawk_> ok, the terminal app can be found the the custom tarball
[08:22] <Hawk_> vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.custom.tar.gz
[08:23] <Hawk_> YES!!!
[08:24] <popey> its also in the store
[08:24] <popey> oh, no wifi
[08:24] <Hawk_> :(
[08:24] <Hawk_> finally got the terminal.
[08:25] <popey> Hawk_: feel free to grab any clicks you want from my mirror -  popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/08
[08:25] <Hawk_> i am still clueless on how click work.
[08:25] <Hawk_> in any case, there is a lot of things to fix on my porting
[08:29] <Hawk_> http://postimg.org/image/oiwa3kepf
[08:29] <Hawk_> :)
[08:38] <zzarr> I asked this question in #ubuntu-devel, but got no answer: I get this error trying to build an application for my phone (MX4 Ubuntu Edition) "Unknown module(s) in QT: bluetooth"
[08:38] <zzarr> or... not a question, more like information about a problem
[08:42] <Hawk_> try asking in mailing list?
[08:43] <zzarr> will do
[08:43] <Hawk_> somtime people who do know are not in the right timezone
[08:44] <zzarr> I know
[08:45] <mdibaiee> Hey, I want to use MultuROM to install Ubuntu Touch alongside my Android (I don't want my recovery occupied), but I can't find the images for mako. I have done this before but it seems the file structure of server has changed or maybe I'm wrong
[08:46] <nik90> Hawk_: well with sideloading, I meant adb pushing the terminal app click package to the phone and then installing it via adb-shell
[08:46] <nik90> Hawk_: adb push terminal.click /tmp
[08:47] <nik90> Hawk_: adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/terminal.click
[08:47] <nik90> that should install it for you after you grab popey's click package ^^
[09:00] <Hawk_> thanks, nik. great info.
[09:00] <Hawk_> I manage to get the terminal through the custom tarball
[09:01] <Hawk_> would pkcon work in recovery?
[09:38] <zzarr> I accidentally removed the NearBy scope, how do I restore it?
[09:42] <mandel> kenvandine, take a look https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-system-settings/donot-query-on-error/+merge/269319
[09:42] <mandel> kenvandine, I think the code is a lot simple like that
[09:42] <mandel> zzarr, looks like the pulse fixes unblocked the ota 6 ;)
[09:43] <davmor2> zzarr: on a scope swipe up from the bottom and tap on the star for Nearby, then you might need to press and hold to reorder them
[09:43] <zzarr> mandel, I installed it earlier today :)
[09:44] <zzarr> davmor2, thank you :)
[09:44] <davmor2> zzarr: that is assuming you just un favourited it rather than physically removing it
[09:46] <zzarr> davmor2, yes, I did, but I didn't know how
[09:47] <davmor2> zzarr: you see the star at the top of each scope that favourites and unfavourites scopes
[09:48] <zzarr> davmor2, thanks :)
[09:48] <davmor2> zzarr: then the swipe up is the manage scopes
[09:50] <zzarr> davmor2, nice
[10:02] <m0n5t3r> is it possible to set a system-wide proxy?
[10:03] <aquarius> I've just had OTA-6 arrive on my MX-4; told it "install and restart" and I now have a black screen, spinning Ubuntu logo, flashing "In Progress", and "Restarting...". But the phone can lock, and when I unlock it takes me back to this screen. It's been like it for ten minutes, so I assume that something has gone wrong with the upgrade. What should I do?
[10:18] <popey> sil2100: ^^^ see aquarius - seems an update issue
[10:18] <aquarius> cheers popey -- wasn't sure who to ping about this stuff :)
[10:19] <kenvandine> that's still in the system-settings screen
[10:19] <kenvandine> it means system-image-dbus didn't respond to the reboot request
[10:19] <kenvandine> aquarius, can you kill settings and try again?
[10:19] <aquarius> er
[10:20] <kenvandine> i've seen that happen once, ages ago
[10:20] <kenvandine> must be a bug in system-image-dbus
[10:20] <kenvandine> but when i did it a second time it worked
[10:20] <aquarius> ok, swiped away the black screen
[10:20] <aquarius> back in settings; checking for updates
[10:21] <aquarius> aha and there is an update
[10:21] <kenvandine> maybe we should add some error handling there, if we don't actually reboot after some period of time retry
[10:21] <aquarius> and installing it seems to have restarted the phone!
[10:22] <aquarius> so, fixed.
[10:22] <kenvandine> woot
[10:22] <popey> \o/
[10:23] <kenvandine> aquarius, can y ou please file a bug?
[10:23] <kenvandine> and i'll work on adding some handling for that case
[10:23] <aquarius> kenvandine, sure thing; what project is system-image-dbus in?
[10:24] <kenvandine> no, add it against ubunut-system-settings
[10:24] <kenvandine> i want to handle the case where s-i-d doesn't respond to the request
[10:26] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1489389 filed :)
[10:26] <kenvandine> aquarius, thanks!
[10:36] <montimer> anyone use the core app Calendar? I'm having trouble running it to begin with, getting this error: http://pastebin.com/Up3b7ft1
[10:38] <popey> montimer: what you running that on?
[10:39] <montimer> popey: 15.04, nothing special :/
[10:39] <popey> you probably need the sdk ppa
[10:41] <montimer> popey: wait, nooby question: what's sdk?
[10:42] <nik90> montimer: the ubuntu-sdk. Add this ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[10:42] <nik90> and then try again
[10:43] <montimer> nik90: so the sdk is a developer tool? just trying to understand the system
[10:45] <nik90> montimer: the Ubuntu-SDK allows developers to create Ubuntu Touch apps using a common API and is based on upstream QT. I am pretty sure someone else can give a better definition than me.
[10:46] <nik90> montimer: Installing the Ubuntu-SDK also installs the Qtcreator IDE, along with other developer tools.
[10:46] <montimer> nik90: ok cool :) thanks! I'll let you know if it works
[10:47] <montimer> :The following packages have unmet dependencies.  ubuntu-sdk : Depends: ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev but it is not going to be installed
[10:47] <nik90> montimer: I just looked at your error log. I am not sure it will work.
[10:48] <montimer> nik90: oh. howcome?
[10:48] <nik90> montimer: can you follow the instructions on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[10:48] <nik90> montimer: because
[10:48] <nik90> your error has something to do with OAuth authentication which is not something the SDK will solve
[10:48] <nik90> I am curious, let me try running it on my end
[10:49] <montimer> nik90: thanks!
[10:52] <nik90> montimer: hmm it runs on my laptop without any problems. I am on 15.10 but that shouldn't matter.
[10:52] <nik90> montimer: Do you by chance have bzr installed? You could try running it directly from source without any compilation.
[10:52] <nik90> pmcgowan: Hey, just saw bug 1489371
[10:53] <nik90> pmcgowan: Do you expect the default alarm sound to be localized to the clock app? There are 2 sides to this. Indicator-datetime sets the default alarm sound which will be used by *all* apps.
[10:54] <nik90> pmcgowan: I could expose a settings in the clock app to set the default alarm sound. But do you want that to override system-wide or just within the clock app?
[10:54] <pmcgowan> nik90, hmm I didn't realize it was a system level setting, one sec
[10:55] <montimer> nik90: Don't have bzr. :/ I'll try installing that missing library dependancy, and then install sdk and see if it works
[10:55] <nik90> montimer: ok, give that a shot.
[10:55] <pmcgowan> nik90, but the alarm sounds are not exposed anywhere it seems
[10:56] <nik90> pmcgowan: the indicator-datetime exposes that via dbus to the clock app. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1318997-export-properties-to-dbus/view/head:/data/com.canonical.indicator.datetime.AlarmProperties.xml
[10:56] <montimer> HA. nik90 that lib depends on qtmultimedia5-dev. how far up will this chain go?
[10:56] <pmcgowan> nik90, seems sound settings should support this then
[10:57] <nik90> pmcgowan: hmm I suppose then the system-settings app can provide that settings option to change the default alarm sound which can the be respected by the clock app automatically.
[10:57] <pmcgowan> nik90, that seems correct to me, I wonder if the design already includes this
[10:58] <Laney> https://jpetazzo.github.io/2013/10/06/policy-rc-d-do-not-start-services-automatically/
[10:59] <nik90> pmcgowan: however there are drawbacks to this approach though. If the user sets a long custom sound as the default alarm sound in the system-settings app, then the calendar events will also use that sound since we're overriding it system-wide.
[10:59] <montimer> nik90: the chain goes up quite a bit. Am I missing an entire app that might explain why I'm missing so many libraries?
[10:59] <pmcgowan> nik90, to me events not equal alarms, they are two different roles
[10:59] <nik90> montimer: lol .. no idea. I usually just install "ubuntu-sdk" and it installs everything for me.
[11:00] <pmcgowan> nik90, so we have no control of this today, I will enter a different bug them, you can mark that one invalid
[11:00] <nik90> pmcgowan: true, I suppose then the calendar-app should take note and set a separate sound for events.
[11:00] <montimer> nik90: first time it's doing this for me too..... maybe I'll ask over at #ubuntu for this and come back here if it still doesnt work. Thanks for the help!
[11:00] <nik90> pmcgowan: ok
[11:00] <nik90> montimer: do you have EDS installed?
[11:01] <nik90> montimer: qtorganizer5-eds
[11:02] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, i assume you dont want libreoffice inside the rootfs but rather in the custom tarball, how about moving custom to userdata and keeping cache for the system ? i.e. a split approach
[11:02] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, yeah, that's not a bad idea
[11:03] <john-mcaleely> and yes, it seems likely to be in in custom
[11:03] <montimer> nik90: Nope. Do i need it?
[11:03] <john-mcaleely> however, I think some of the container infrastructure will be rootfs based, and also large
[11:03] <ogra_> would be sad to not make use of the cache partition at all anymore
[11:03] <john-mcaleely> yeah
[11:03] <ogra_> rightm, the infrastructure needs to go into the rootfs
[11:03] <nik90> montimer: install that one and try it out. Calendar stores its events in EDS (also used by Gnome Evolution). But might be the culprit here.
[11:03] <nik90> s/But/that
[11:03] <ogra_> the bits using it dont need that necessarily
[11:04] <ogra_> a complete ubuntu-core (not snappy) chroot is gz compressed about 45MB ...
[11:04] <john-mcaleely> I think the error cases get a lot more complex if there are two download locations
[11:04] <ogra_> if you compress that with xz you'll likey end up with something below 40M
[11:05] <ogra_> (and i assume the infra is nothing more than a chroot with the very basics to execute things... )
[11:05] <montimer> nik90: Wait. I had evolution before, but I uninstalled rather messily because I wasn't happy with it... maybe that caused it?
[11:05] <john-mcaleely> ogra_,  there's talk of a 1.2G default image, compressed
[11:05] <ogra_> thats insane
[11:05] <john-mcaleely> once you include the container stuff + libreoffice
[11:05] <john-mcaleely> yeah
[11:06] <ogra_> ah, and libreoffice
[11:06] <nik90> montimer: Could be. Since your original error about "Tasks" not supporting OAuth 2.0 and stuff is definitely EDS related.
[11:06] <ogra_> well, libreoffice should ship its own deps and the like insode its package (snap/click whatever) ...
[11:06] <ogra_> but the infra should only be an execution env
[11:06] <ogra_> which shouldnt add gigs to the rootfs
[11:07] <montimer> nik90: damn. should i reinstall evolution, and then try again?
[11:07] <ogra_> i cant imagine that the rootfs itself needs to grow more than 100M if properly designed
[11:08] <ogra_> to provide container/chroot execution
[11:08] <ogra_> (so that devices that dont ship libreoffice dont need to grow so much ... this needs to be intelligently split)
[11:09] <nik90> montimer: maybe try cleaning up the eds config files first. I need to quickly check where they are usually installed
[11:09] <nik90> montimer: delete .local/share/evolution and then reinstall qtorganizer5-eds and then try calendar app.
[11:10] <nik90> montimer: note that removing evolution folder will remove all your emails, calendar events etc you might have had in evolution
[11:10] <montimer> nik90: I had nothing that I don't have elsewhere. Haven't used evolution in a long time because I didn't like it
[11:10] <nik90> montimer: then go for it
[11:12] <montimer> nik90: is there a separate ppa for qtorganizer? I can't install it just like that
[11:13] <nik90> montimer: why not? Package not found?
[11:14] <montimer> that's odd..... it says it's already installed but running it does nothnig
[11:15] <nik90> montimer: new thing then...kill evolution process and then remove .local/share/evolution and then start calendar
[11:15] <nik90> if you remove the folders while eds was running, it doesnt work (I think)
[11:16] <montimer> nik90: oh my god it works!
[11:17] <montimer> nik90: wait.... how does it have some of my accounts already? and how do i modify that?
[11:17] <nik90> montimer: check the system-settings app and see if you added online-accounts there
[11:18] <nik90> montimer: calendar app integrates with ubuntu online-accounts
[11:19] <montimer> nik90: you're right. thanks for the help!
[11:19] <nik90> montimer: np. Welcome to Ubuntu-Touch. Enjoy ur stay :D
[11:20] <dhbiker> so anyone can submit an app to ubuntu store ?
[11:23] <nik90> dhbiker: anyone can do so after creating an account at developer.ubuntu.com. Yes
[11:23] <nik90> to upload click/snappy packages
[11:24] <mcphail> Does the browser support webgl at all? On get.webgl.org I get "Your browser supports WebGL" but I don't see the spinny cube
[11:35] <mandel> bfiller, renato => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/vivid-add-appid-metadata/+merge/269340
[11:35] <mandel> bfiller, renato that is there for vivid, we have a wily branch too, we need to do a rebuild of the dependants in a silo, once the review is done I'll make sure we have a silo
[13:58] <mandel> kenvandine, do you have the energy to review this => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/trust-store/handle-exceptions/+merge/257690
[13:58] <mandel> kenvandine, in trunk before we have more issues ;)
[14:02] <kenvandine> mandel, looking
[14:05] <dobey> why is ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts doing autopilot tests as dep8 :(
[14:07] <dobey> doeosn't it require a mir surface to even work?
[14:12] <Didge-> Afternoon folks :D
[14:15] <mandel> tvoss, can you let me know the state of dbus cpp related to ggc 5, do we have everything in trunk? Is there a wily branch and a vivid one, do we use trunk for both?
[14:15] <mandel> tvoss, I'd like to get that in order
[14:26] <cimi> seb128, do you still need the bluetooth keyboard?
[14:27] <seb128> cimi, no
[14:27] <cimi> seb128, any luck?
[14:28] <seb128> cimi, it's working with bluez5 on wily, with bluez4/on the phone it's "working", you need to validate the 0000 and enter those chars on the keyboard and it paris
[14:28] <seb128> pairs
[14:28] <seb128> I don't think we are going to debug bluez4, we are working on updating the phone to 5
[14:28] <cimi> let me try
[14:28] <cimi> that's fine
[14:29] <ogra_> just switch to voice input :P
[14:29] <ogra_> (oh, wait, its not friday yet ...)
[14:29] <belkinsa> Awesome boot up screen on the lastest stable image,
[14:33] <jgdx> attente, localectl list-x11-keymap-layouts ?
[14:33] <jgdx> was that it=
[14:34] <attente> jgdx: there should be a library that provides it, looking at u-c-c
[14:35] <jgdx> attente, ty
[14:37] <attente> jgdx: we were using libgnome-desktop-3-dev
[14:38] <jgdx> attente, okay
[16:22] <Didge-> Just finished my meeting with Linaro, awesome community!!!
[16:23] <Didge-> I now need to employ some software developers to help me mod the GUIs and a few other things from the ubuntu community, so that we can OSS the hardware and software..
[16:24] <Didge-> Not sure how to approach OSS ubuntu developers, pay them too..
[16:25] <popey> Didge-: what's the context?
[16:27] <Didge-> I can give you a link to my firm website, demonstrating the device if you would allow me?
[16:27] <Didge-> http://www.wisecorp.co.uk/wisedevice.html
[16:28] <Didge-> Currently working with a PCB producer and with the SoC manufacturer.. But things take time, as ever on a hardware front.
[16:32] <popey> Sounds expensive.
[16:33] <Didge-> so's an apple iPhone or Samsung S6 Edge, but with the contacts we have at maximum cost a complete wisedevice can be produced for near on $200 dollars?
[16:33] <Didge-> 15%~20% of the profit goes back to ubuntu community, too.
[16:34] <Didge-> 4G antenna alone will cost about 100 EUROs
[16:34] <dobey> i guess you want to get in touch with canonical about partnering on support of the device or something?
[16:35] <Didge-> That sounds like another good option, I started with Linaro as my first point of call to be honest.
[16:36] <ogra_> linaro does phones ?
[16:36] <Didge-> Gotta say though, Ubuntu community is more stable then most with regards to the community infrastructure.
[16:36] <Didge-> https://www.linaro.org/
[16:36] <dobey> ogra_: linaro just does low level hardware stuff. i guess you could use some linaro arm stuff to build a phone.
[16:37] <ogra_> yes, i know :)
[16:37] <Didge-> take a look, we was looking to develop our own SoC along with ARM in cambridge, SoC fabrication would have been taken care of by AllWinner
[16:37] <ogra_> but nothing they do would help porting ubuntu phone ...
[16:37] <Didge-> it's not the wisedevice I am touting to them but further hardware development with my own SoC designs..
[16:38] <ogra_> ah
[16:38] <ogra_> cool
[16:38] <Didge-> sorry dude :(
[16:38] <ogra_> no, thats all fine :)
[16:38] <dobey> ogra_: well, ubuntu + linaro is a known good combination, so seems like a decent starting point to designing the hardware that would become the phone.
[16:38] <dobey> anyway
[16:38] <ogra_> i was just wondering how linaro is related
[16:38] <dobey> linaro definitely doesn't do front end ubuntu UI stuff
[16:39] <Didge-> Thats fine ogra_ , I was not dissing you in any way mate and I can see the confusion. :)
[16:39] <dobey> which is what it seems Didge- is needing
[16:39] <ogra_> right and their hwpack setup doesnt really go well with the phone setup we have
[16:39] <ogra_> its closer to snappy than to ubuntu phone
[16:40] <Didge-> Snappy?
[16:40] <dobey> the mock-ups for the wise thing as shown on that page would definitely need some changes in the ubuntu image to be able to support it
[16:40] <ogra_> (phone requires most HW bits in a container that carries the android drivers)
[16:40] <dobey> ogra_: right, that's because we've only built images for android-based devices so far though
[16:40] <ogra_> Didge-, yeah, our new IoT, cloud, router/switch (and future phone) OS
[16:41] <Didge-> indeed, it does, I just did not want to show the hinge mech and the general design outlay just yet as I'm still working on the complete shell design and 3D printing it for testing at home or work.
[16:41] <ogra_> Didge-, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[16:41] <Didge-> cheers for the link, brb
[16:41] <ogra_> we'll base the phone on this eventually
[16:41] <ogra_> (and the pocket desktop)
[16:42] <dobey> victorp: ^^ do you know whom at canonical Didge- should be getting in contact with about partnering to support a new device? i don't see an obvious "contact us here about this" on the "For partners" page for phones on ubuntu.com
[16:45] <Didge-> I have been trying to find out that information and contacts myself over the last few months, heh it's hard to get contacts within the community at that level I think.
[16:48] <Didge-> I will approach the Ubuntu community in a few hours with regards to putting the idea about, looking for developers for this fork? or expansion on the Touch version of Ubuntu :)
[16:52] <Didge-> Canonical Group Limited
[16:52] <Didge-> 5th Floor, Blue Fin Building
[16:52] <Didge-> 110 Southwark Street
[16:52] <Didge-> London SE1 0SU
[16:52] <Didge-> United Kingdom
[16:58] <victorp> dobey,  what type of device?
[16:59] <ogra_> victorp, a foldable phone with three displays :) http://www.wisecorp.co.uk/wisedevice.html
[17:00] <dobey> victorp: yeah, that link that ogra_ pasted
[17:01] <victorp> and the company that makes it wants to support ubuntu
[17:01] <victorp> ?
[17:01] <victorp> ogra_, ^
[17:01] <ogra_> victorp, you have to ask Didge- :)
[17:02] <dobey> victorp: Didge- is trying to get in contact with someone yes. as you can see from the mock-ups on that page, they're all ubuntu (the really old purple ubuntu phone mock-ups are used a lot)
[17:03] <victorp> dobey, ack
[17:04] <victorp> John Kourentis is the right person at canonical to talk to ogra_, dobey, Didge-
[17:04] <Didge-> I have just called canonical here in the UK and I have just emailed their PR and Sales teams hoping I can make a dent inside for someone to contact me regarding this matter..
[17:04] <Didge-> Cheers victorp :D
[17:05] <victorp> Didge-, if you email me I can put you in contact
[17:05] <Didge-> Really! Thats awesome! That would be most kind of you, thanks :)
[17:05] <Didge-><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is my business eMail :)
[17:07] <Didge-> We would like to produce a version that can be fully printed out, components brought and inserted, then used in a semi-kit form just like 96Boards and a few other community based projects
[17:40] <Didge-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2292395&p=13345936#post13345936
[17:41] <Didge-> I sound like an boring old bloke, sorry though.. Just not sure how to approach you all on a subject like this..
[17:53] <Didge-> Tech-Crunch and Kickstarter do not amaze me what so ever sadly..
[18:04] <Didge-> Oh well that's that sorted, looks like I've been booted off the Ubuntu forum..
[18:04] <Didge-> Niceone, cheers Ubuntu..
[18:07] <Didge-> funny thing is whoever has blocked me in the ubuntu forum has also disabled my account and I cant even read the infraction?
[18:07] <Didge-> I give up, I'll go higher up the chain rather then forum based community support.
[18:09] <Didge-> I get more access logged out then logged in, awesome!
[18:11] <Didge-> Welcome to the new Mobile Technology Discussions forum, the place to discuss mobile technology.... Clearly not! Can anyone help me out here?
[18:14] <dobey> Didge-: i guess you should ask in #ubuntu-forums
[18:14] <dobey> they probably thought it was spam
[18:20] <Didge-> Honestly if anyone can get a message through, I am in NO WAY spamming the heck out of anyone.. I do have five multi-million quid investors though and 1million bit encryption ;)
[19:54] <Dragnell> Hello everyone, can anyone tellme why there are two build for mako Nexus 4
[20:03] <StatelessCat> Hello Dragnell
[20:03] <StatelessCat> Dragnell: I'm installing Ubuntu Touch on N4 too. Did you talk about this https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ ?
[20:04] <StatelessCat> Dragnell: are you talking about "ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu" and "ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu" ?
[20:05] <Dragnell_> No, more like this
[20:05] <Dragnell_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-6
[20:06] <Dragnell_>  ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en - mako
[20:06] <Dragnell_> bq-aquaris ? for mako
[20:07] <Dragnell_> I am using stable/ubuntu
[20:08] <Dragnell_> just want to know the differences
[20:08] <dobey> Dragnell_: it's an image closer to what is on the bq devices, but for mako
[20:10] <Dragnell_> you mean stuff like scopes ?
[20:11] <dobey> yes, iirc
[20:11] <dobey> iirc, it has today scope and others installed by default
[20:11] <Didge-> Dunno whats gone on with ubuntu forum, after they have given me a clout for spamming when I was not it seems I cannot even contest the matter with them?? Not a clue what they have done but my profile has less rights then an anonymous user from anywhere in the world.. I get more access to more information logged out still..
[20:11] <dobey> while the /ubuntu image doesn't
[20:12] <dobey> Didge-: i have no idea, but the place to ask about forums is in #ubuntu-forums iirc
[20:12] <Dragnell_> glad to know thanks
[20:13] <StatelessCat> I just installed ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu on my N4 mako, and I got no WIFI. I look around and installed 4.3 radio.
[20:13] <StatelessCat> But still no wifi :/
[20:14] <StatelessCat> Do I need to reinstall Ubuntu Touch after done the `fastboot flash radio radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1700.84.img` ?
 I'm in a right pickle here though mate, I would have to create another account just to send them an eMail by the looks of it..
[20:15] <Didge-> Thanks for the sound advice though mate, I am really baffled to be fair lol, but it's just one of them things in life eh :)
[20:15] <Didge-> I'll try there, hehh
[20:15] <dobey> Didge-: nobody in here can help you with forums
[20:15] <Didge-> I'm so honestly curious about this lol
[20:15] <Didge-> No worries matey ;)
[20:15] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat: never have this issue
[20:16] <StatelessCat> Did this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1368675 supposed to be solved in ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu on Nexus 4 ?
[20:16] <dobey> StatelessCat: don't know about that. wifi works fine on my mako :-/
[20:16] <StatelessCat> Dragnell_: what was the Android version you were using just before installing Ubuntu Touch ?
[20:16] <StatelessCat> dobey: glad to see it's possible to get it works :)
[20:17] <dobey> StatelessCat: are you using multirom and android 5.x?
[20:17] <StatelessCat> dobey: same question, wich version of Android before Ubuntu touch installing ?
[20:17] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat: 5.0
[20:17] <StatelessCat> I was using 5.1.1 before installing, I wipe cache and everything. And I have done the installation of Ubuntu Touch (I Have done nothing for getting multiboot)
[20:17] <dobey> StatelessCat: i am pretty sure it had 4.4 on it when i flashed it originally
[20:17] <dobey> StatelessCat: that was over a year ago though
I'm on it mate, cheers for the help and advice :)
[20:18] <dobey> StatelessCat: i'd suggest flashing 4.4, booting to the welcome screen, rebooting to fastboot/recovery, and then flashing ubuntu
[20:18] <StatelessCat> thanks :)
[20:18] <StatelessCat> i will
[20:19] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat: let us know
[20:19] <StatelessCat> 4.4, 4.4.2, 4.4.3, 4.4.4 ?
[20:19] <dobey> i know android 5.x has created some issues with flashing because the recovery and kernel are different
[20:19] <StatelessCat> Dragnell_: I will!
[20:19] <dobey> StatelessCat: 4.4.4. should be fine. any of those would be really. just 5.x is what causes issues
[20:20] <dobey> if you got booted enough to have wifi not work, i'd say you're lucky :)
[20:21] <Dragnell_> dobey: the wiki should mention this.
[20:21] <StatelessCat> dobey: not sure to understand the joke :/, but :)
[20:24] <dobey> StatelessCat: not a joke. if you had android 5.x and you were able to successfully flash the device, you're very lucky. i've not heard of anyone successfully flashing a device that had 5.x on it
[20:24] <dobey> StatelessCat: but hopefully reflashing to 4.4.4, then back to ubuntu, will fix your issue
[20:38] <Didge-> Whos the fella last night that could not get their new SIM to connect to their new provider... Wonder how thats going :/
[20:39] <bobloblian> That's me.  I have a ticket in with BQ, gave them all the relevant info, waiting for a response
[20:40] <Didge-> Jesus, thats a turn up for the books.. At least they are working towards solving the matter matey :) Glad to hear it :)
[20:44] <StatelessCat> dobey, Dragnell_, just to be sure, you are using ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu or ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu ?
[20:45] <dobey> StatelessCat: i'm using neither, but i'm special and i wouldn'd advise using the channel i'm using as it's very unstable :)
[20:45] <StatelessCat> I see, youre a Ubuntu Touch dev ?
[20:46] <dobey> yes
[20:46] <dobey> for a stable phone, i'd suggest using stable
[20:46] <StatelessCat> not sure my phone is stable, I use it when I'm walking, it's not very stable for the device :)
[20:47] <dobey> well i presume you want the software to be stable, while you're walking ;)
[20:47] <StatelessCat> Is Ubuntu Phone is like Android, with FOSS apps mixed with Proprietary closed sources app (gmail, ....) ?
[20:47] <dobey> stable channel is the most tested
[20:47] <dobey> well gmail is just a web app. the web site is obviously proprietary
[20:48] <dobey> and some of the drivers are proprietary
[20:48] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat: stable
[20:48] <dobey> the telegram app is open source
[20:48] <StatelessCat> I mean about all Proprietary apps in Android. That lead to a partial Open-Source OS. Is Ubuntu Touch doing the same ?
[20:48] <dobey> i guess the HERE app might be proprietary, not sure
[20:49] <StatelessCat> Dragnell_: thanks
[20:49] <dobey> StatelessCat: the ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu channel has no proprietary apps installed by default; only thing proprietary in that image, is hardware drivers
[20:49] <StatelessCat> dobey: are you sure on Android GMAIL is a Web App ? That can explain the Google involvment in WebComponents specifications and Polymer...
[20:49] <dobey> because hardware manufacturers are not up and up on the whole open source love thing yet
[20:50] <StatelessCat> nice :)
[20:50] <dobey> StatelessCat: not on android, on ubuntu it is
[20:50] <StatelessCat> For me this is a good argument for Ubuntu Touch :)
[20:50] <dobey> i don't know what the apps on android that i don't have the source for, are :)
[20:51] <StatelessCat> I just installed 4.4.4. Do I need to clean cache or something before installing Ubuntu Touch ?
[20:51] <dobey> i presume it has the web component beause emails are html and whatnot
[20:51] <dobey> i don't think so
[20:51] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat: still, the phone some time freeze, and today scope is broken most of the time
[20:51] <dobey> you just need to boot the phone, so it initializes stuff, iirc
[20:53] <StatelessCat> ok
[20:53] <StatelessCat> By the way, ubuntu-device-flash is runngin very nice on other distro than Ubuntu :)
[20:54] <StatelessCat> I'm using this PKGBUILD https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=ubuntu-device-flash on Arch, and it seems to works very well
[20:54] <StatelessCat> The first time I come to Ubuntu Touch, I Was thinking I must have and Ubuntu installed on my computer...
[20:54] <dobey> cool
[20:54] <StatelessCat> the documentation is a little... vague on this topic
[20:54] <StatelessCat> :/
[20:55] <StatelessCat> I think it's bad, this can discouraging people to install it.
[20:55] <StatelessCat> Still I'm thinking I need Ubuntu for dev apps for Ubuntu Phone. Is it true ?
[20:56] <StatelessCat> After 4.4.4, the ubuntu-device-flash seems to take less time than when i was trying to go from 5.1.1 to Ubuntu Touch ^^
[21:01] <StatelessCat> raaaah still no WIFI :/
[21:01] <StatelessCat> I even dont have any switch to enable or disable Wifi, that is stange
[21:03] <StatelessCat> just having "previous networks" on the wifi menu
[21:06] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat:"throwing rock here", did you test conecting to a wifi from android?
[21:07] <StatelessCat> Of course, I'm doing it everyday
[21:07] <StatelessCat> today I was using Wifi on this phone
[21:09] <Dragnell_> public, not hidden wifi ?
[21:09] <StatelessCat> yeah
[21:10] <StatelessCat> I have around 10 wifi acces point in this building
[21:10] <StatelessCat> maybe It's because I live in France, a Channel issue ?
[21:11] <StatelessCat> in France we uses some channels that are not the same as in USA...
[21:11] <StatelessCat> OMG, after rebooting, I GOT WIFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[21:11] <Dragnell_> I live in cuba so, i don't think that is the issie
[21:11] <Dragnell_> haha
[21:11] <Dragnell_> glad to know
[21:11]  * StatelessCat *hugs* Dragnell_, dobey
[21:12] <StatelessCat> so it seems the downgrade to 4.4.4 works :)
[21:12] <Dragnell_> "All hails turn off and on again"
[21:12] <dobey> cool
[21:12] <StatelessCat> "did you try turning it off and on again" ? ^^
[21:13] <Dragnell_> StatelessCat: haha you know
[21:13] <dobey> StatelessCat: you don't technically need ubuntu do develop apps for the phone, but we don't build the sdk and runtims for platforms other than ubuntu
[21:13] <dobey> StatelessCat: it's certainly possible to compile all the bits on other distros, though
[21:14] <StatelessCat> 23:13:28    dobey | StatelessCat: you don't technically need ubuntu do develop apps for the phone, but we don't build the sdk and runtims for platforms other than ubuntu
[21:14] <StatelessCat> but without the SDK... I just can write source code in vim ^^
[21:14] <dobey> well you will need the tools to build the package and such
[21:15] <StatelessCat> that's is not what I call to can developp on smartphone. But I understand
[21:15] <dobey> and you should build your app inside a chroot of the target version of the phone you're building for
[21:15] <dobey> you can build the SDK on another distro if you want :)
[21:15] <StatelessCat> dobey | and you should build your app inside a chroot of the target version of the phone you're building for --> not sure to understand
[21:16] <dobey> fwiw, the "sdk" is mostly a plug-in for qtcreator
[21:16] <StatelessCat> you mean in a chroot of the phone ?
[21:16] <dobey> StatelessCat: the sdk creates a container of the target version for building your app in, for example
[21:17] <dobey> so not on the phone, but a chroot of the phone image, plus the supported -dev packages, so you can compile c++ or such
[21:17] <dobey> we don't ship a compiler on the consumer phone image itself :)
[21:20] <StatelessCat> :)
[21:20] <dobey> StatelessCat: another option to get started on another distro, would be to just create an lxc/chroot of a minimal ubuntu install, install the SDK and stuff in it, and run it from within there
[21:20] <dobey> or in a vm too of course
[21:20] <dobey> that's the easiest path at least. not sure how difficult building all the bits would be
[21:21] <StatelessCat> for starting I will try on a Virtualbox or in a Docker. Do you think about exposing a docker image with all the sdk and stuff for compiling/building apps ?
[21:22] <dobey> i personally don't, but i am not working on the sdk or any of that stuff.
[21:22] <dobey> StatelessCat: the people in #ubuntu-app-devel might have better info on the sdk side of things, though :)
[21:22] <StatelessCat> thanks a lot :)
[21:23] <StatelessCat> "Import contact from Google" --> NICE STUFF !
[21:23] <dobey> no problem.
[21:23] <dobey> i have to go now, but good luck! :)
[21:23] <StatelessCat> for the impatient that was not thinking about "how i will call my friends or send us SMS with 'I'm sending you this text from Ubuntu Touch' without having any dump of my contact list "
[21:24] <StatelessCat> dobey: see you !
[21:42] <StatelessCat> hum only one web browser available on Ubuntu Touch ? :/
[21:42] <Didge-> Port another then ;) Just to be a cocky twat me :(
[21:42] <StatelessCat> ^^
[21:42] <Didge-> I've give you a cheeky fiver to port Netscape ;}
[21:42] <StatelessCat> Ok, I'll port lynx on Ubuntu Touch just for you
[21:42] <Didge-> HAHAH
[21:43] <Didge-> Damn right!
[21:43] <Didge-> prolly work better an all...
[21:43] <StatelessCat> do you know id there is an option "show this page like on a computer" on the "webbrowser-app" ?
[21:44] <StatelessCat> very usefull for web app that are removing features on mobile user agents
[22:31] <aquarius> irritably submitting security bugs. mdeslaur, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1489643 is not a good thing, in my opinion :(


[01:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:40] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:43] <ducasse> good morning
[20:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 693 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue693 :D


[00:31] <Mooncairn> I've lost access to my contacts. Akonadi is being a pain in the rear (again).
[00:31] <Mooncairn> So, I need to figure out what broke with the upgrade, and whether I can salvage my data.
[00:32] <Mooncairn> After that, I'm seriously thinking about declaring technological bankruptcy and starting over with another Linux distro and a different desktop environment.
[00:33] <Mooncairn> My system was due for a serious cruft cleaning anyway.
[17:19] <cmaloney> Thank you all for being here. <3
[17:26] <jrwren> Good afternoon cmaloney. How are you doing this fine day?
[17:37] <cmaloney> So far so good. Just getting ready for Big Bad Con which is an online game convention (more for game designers)
[17:37] <cmaloney> TTRPG
[17:37] <cmaloney> You?
[17:43] <Scary_Guy> I'm reprogrammihg my keyboard and getting a USB hub with a clamp so I can have one cable going from my chair instead of three.
[17:44] <cmaloney> nice
[17:45] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, much easier to disconnect from the rest of the setup and move then.
[18:14] <jrwren> listening to podcasts while watching college football in the BG.
[18:15] <jrwren> delaying doing the open source stuff that is on my list, cuz it feels too much like work.
[18:16] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxpt59Me_w reminder of the future that was promised
[18:32] <jrwren> a 2008 MSFT surface table?
[18:33] <jrwren> that 2014 video isn't the future, it was reviewing 6yrs into the past when it was posted https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-surface-pixelsense-table
[21:10] <Scary_Guy> Not the hardware


[19:00] <CarlFK> how do I get from help.u.c to https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/hppa/post-install.html  ?
[19:01] <CarlFK> I go there from google, but am trying to find that section on 7.04 and .10 - but can't find a list of chapters
[19:14] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/hppa/preseed-contents.html  www.debian URL is 404
[21:20] <nixternal_> CarlFK: I believe it was removed prior to 7.04, but I am not 100% positive on that
[21:21] <nixternal_> checking svn branches now
[21:25] <nixternal_> CarlFK: ya, looks like it was removed for Feisty, it isn't in svn branches after edgy
[21:27] <CarlFK> "it" being the whole preseed discussion?
[21:29] <nixternal_> "it" being >6.10/installation-guide
[21:30] <nixternal_> don't know if it was included in the Ubuntu Help stuff or not
[21:30] <nixternal_> or possibly the wiki somewhere
[21:30] <nixternal_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[21:31] <nixternal_> ya, it was incorporated into the community documentation wiki
[21:33] <CarlFK> ah
[21:33] <CarlFK> thanks
[21:34] <nixternal_> no problem...glad to know its there
[21:34] <nixternal_> my dumb arse has been saying "I don't know" :)
[21:34] <CarlFK> wow - it even links to pages I wote :)
[21:34] <nixternal_> groovy, you are a superstar then! :)
[21:36] <CarlFK> has this page been dropped? https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/hppa/preseed-contents.html
[21:36] <nixternal_> I couldn't tell you honestly
[21:37] <nixternal_> you know what, that may be located somewhere under the developer wiki actually
[21:38] <nixternal_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization/PreseedExamples
[21:38] <nixternal_> I found that
[21:38] <nixternal_> lunch time! back in a few
[21:38] <CarlFK> see ya
[21:39] <CarlFK> thanks for the searches
[21:51] <dsas> CarlFK: I think cjwatson was the author of that stuff and folded it into the wiki (at least it was maintained out of doctream repo)
[21:51] <CarlFK> sounds reasonable


[00:56] <Unit193> neighborlee: Why did you want a Lubuntu rep?
[00:57] <neighborlee> please check your PM
[00:58] <Unit193> I did, but it's not from you :P
[00:58] <phillw> neighborlee: I do not accept PM's. all things asked must be asked on channels so as to help others with the same question.
[00:58] <neighborlee> fine.
[00:58] <neighborlee> I was wondering if lubuntu endorses mono , therefore intends to keep mono out of the distro, as I can't endorse such things.
[00:59] <neighborlee> <which is why I dont use 'ubuntu'.
[00:59] <neighborlee> long as you never intend on shipping any mono apps out of the box,im fine.
[00:59] <neighborlee> :)
[01:01] <neighborlee> Just so you know Im not a trouble maker, this is why in part I feel this way: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
[01:01] <phillw> neighborlee: as i have never heard of 'mono' I cannot respond. but I'd like you to have a quick read of what ubuntu actually means & why it is what we stand by?..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODQ4WiDsEBQ
[01:02] <neighborlee> its  not ubuntu im concerned about, and I now what it stands for..for humanity ;)
[01:02] <neighborlee> I get all that.
[01:02] <phillw> neighborlee: take a look at it. It is well worth remembering
[01:02] <neighborlee> mono is different.
[01:02] <neighborlee> I already know ;)
[01:02] <neighborlee> but ty anyway ;)
[01:02] <Unit193> phillw: .NET framework for Linux
[01:03] <neighborlee> yup
[01:03] <phillw> mono, to me, means single...
[01:03] <neighborlee> lol
[01:04] <neighborlee> phillw: are you the creator of lubuntu ?
[01:04] <phillw> neighborlee: could we continue this chat on #lubuntu-offtopic? Honest, we do not bite
[01:04] <neighborlee> of course we can
[01:04] <Unit193> hard
[01:04] <neighborlee> if that is your preference
[08:01] <meway_> UPDATE MAKE >.<
[08:01] <meway_> for the love of god xD
[08:15] <Myrtti> huh?
[08:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> meway_: lol Hi. Any issues?
[09:05] <meway_> its old xD
[09:06] <meway_> <- is that guy lol
[09:07] <jmarsden> Meway: I am old, too...!  The issue is not age, but whether or not it works as designed.  Does make work for you in the current lubuntu release?  If it does, why would it be important to change it?
[09:08] <Meway> not the correct way for all applications :)
[09:09] <Myrtti> elaborate
[09:09] <jmarsden> Meway: Is there a specific bug in the version of make in Oneiric that affects you?  Please be clear and specific.
[09:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> Meway: explainations helps us to understand =]
[09:09] <hyperair> Meway: what's up with make?
[09:09] <hyperair> Meway: besides "it's old?"
[09:10] <Meway> I have to add more entries other than "make" when I want to make something >.<
[09:10] <hyperair> Meway: do you have a test case/bug report somewhere i can take a look at?
[09:10] <hyperair> what do you mean add more entries other than "make"?
[09:10] <Meway> kinda sorta but I already resolved my issue
[09:10] <hyperair> ..
[09:10] <hyperair> resolved what issue?
[09:10] <hyperair> how?
[09:10] <Meway> I have to make more directories with -p
[09:11] <hyperair> huh?
[09:11] <hyperair> mkdir -p?
[09:13] <Meway> yes
[09:14] <svkoskin_> do you think that's related to make?
[09:15] <Meway> it is I used it to handle my issue with make so nvm
[09:15] <jmarsden> Meway: Can you make sure this is make related, and if it is, please file a bug report, or point to a test case, or give us actual detailed information, please?  Enough info that we can reproduce the issue.
[09:15] <Meway> just update the damn thing >.<
[09:15] <Meway> ok
[09:16] <Meway> google, setting up eathena-data
[09:16] <Meway> install flex
[09:16] <Meway> install bison
[09:16] <Meway> install git-core
[09:16] <Meway> follow the instructions you find on the wiki page
[09:17] <Meway> *this is the setup for a game called the mana world* (the server itself) btw
[09:17] <Meway> If your more interested into the server pm me about the information
[09:22] <Meway> I hope this helps? :s
[09:48] <silverarrow> has anyone figured out why gnome mplayer can freeze up desktop+
[09:48] <silverarrow> ?
[09:50] <Meway> I have not had that problem
[09:51] <silverarrow> I don't know what I've done to bring it on
[09:51] <silverarrow> I've manage to get the same thing on two different laptops
[09:53] <silverarrow> and I'm not able to fix it either
[09:53] <silverarrow> at least not right a way
[09:54] <silverarrow> I am a bit tempted to install the beta release
[10:32] <hyperair> Meway: we're way past feature freeze, and as such, we're avoiding major uploads right now. if you could just be more cooperative adn tell us wtf is wrong with the utility, we could figure out this problem and look into backporting a patch of some sort
[10:33] <Meway> I told you how to reproduce the issue so sorry I'm busy atm
[10:34] <hyperair> you could give us a link to the wiki page, i could actually figure out what instructions you're talking about.
[10:37] <hyperair> http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Setting_up_tmwAthena_on_Linux <-- this looks like the instructioons mentioned
[10:39] <Meway> its the top link
[10:39] <Meway> yes thats it
[10:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> hyperair: ... No
[10:43] <hyperair> :-D
[10:44] <hyperair> looks to me like the GNUmakefile included in that project is broken.
[10:44] <hyperair> wtf is that | syntax?
[10:47] <Meway> it only happens with older versions of make
[10:56] <JohnDoe_71Rus> hyperair: hi.
[10:57] <hyperair> hi.
[10:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> I have a problem. ubuntu(lubuntu) 10.04 + pcmanfm updated to 0.9.8 or 0.9.9
[11:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> don't start as file browser
[11:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> test lubuntu 10.04 on virtual box. add repo ppa:lxde/ppa and update only pcmanfm
[14:59] <rezbd> I have only one pration on my hard disc. how can I add a partition?
[15:00] <rezbd> can I do it on lubuntu or I have to do it from bios
[16:16] <wavedigit> hi, does lubuntu support multiple languages?
[16:17] <wavedigit> russian in specific
[16:21] <bioterror> wavedigit, should support
[16:22] <wavedigit> bioterror: you mean now or in the future?
[16:22] <bioterror> now and in the future
[16:26] <wavedigit> cool, thanks :)
[18:54] <Aleksander> Hello :) I've installed Lubuntu 11.04, but the panel and all apps tend to hang up when I'm using Firefox for a while longer, and I don't like Chrome
[18:55] <m6locks> out of memory?
[18:57] <Aleksander> m6locks, that's a netbook, so this may happen, but why does the panel HANG? It should just go a little slower
[18:57] <Aleksander> is there a way to overcome this?
[18:59] <m6locks> are you using swap?
[19:12] <Aleksander> m6locks, yes
[19:14] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[19:15] <kosaidpo> with httrack how can i continue an inturepted dl ??
[19:16] <m6locks> Aleksander: it has been said that netbooks should not have a swap partition, but you may tweak the amount of swap in /etc/sysctl
[19:17] <Aleksander> m6locks, thanks, I'll try that
[19:17] <m6locks> try changing the value of vm.swappiness
[19:17] <m6locks> I read something that vm.swappiness = 10 works
[19:21] <kosaidpo> anyone guys can tell me with httrack how can i continue an inturepted dl ??
[20:31] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[20:32] <kosaidpo> idk why these days my lubuntu lags a lot
[20:32] <kosaidpo> any ideas  why ??
[21:59] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[22:00] <kosaidpo> i wanna use httrack but i wanna only dl files that are under www.site.com/target/*
[22:00] <kosaidpo> how to do that i tried the -D pramaetre but it doesnt
[22:06] <kosaidpo> none is here /
[22:22] <NaikInsaan> can i remote desktop into a machine running windows from lubuntu?
[22:25] <kosaidpo> NaikInsaan:  i guess u can with putty
[23:34] <freeroute> Hi, I was wondering how I can associate a filetype to a program? For example, I want to associate gedit with .txt files
[23:35] <freeroute> because right now, every time I try to open a .txt file it asks me if I want to execute / execute in terminal / cancel


[08:22] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ping
[08:24] <Mirv> tsdgeos: pong
[08:26] <tsdgeos> Mirv: so there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1431798 that is crashing rtm crashes to pat, do we care for rtm at all or simply put it in vivid?
[08:26] <tsdgeos> it is a very low impact bug
[08:26] <tsdgeos> s/bug/fix
[08:26] <tsdgeos> i mean
[08:43] <_Rarity> Hello. What are the requirements to ask a question on the unity mailing list?
[08:50] <Mirv> tsdgeos: you should probably ask pat if it should be added to the ww13-ota milestone (the next 14.09 rtm milestone) or not. we do care about the old rtm but he decides what bugs are put to there.
[08:50] <Mirv> tsdgeos: thanks, making a note about landing that bug fix after the 5.4.1 currently in testing is in
[08:51] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ok, i see, tx
[10:12] <galitsyn-vb> Hi guys! There is an issue we have with Unity guests in VirtualBox if VM has 3D acceleration enabled. The problem is — if VM was saved and then restored, Unity does not attempt to draw any new graphical content. Something upset it too much. I was stepping over OpenGL commands with profiler and was looking to Read- and Write- buffers content. Guest does not attempt to place any new data there. In the same time, I can see newly allocated OpenG
[10:12] <galitsyn-vb> L textures in profiler and these textures contain actual data. But due to some reason these textures never used. The issue disappears once guest window was resized. I used Ubuntu Desktop 14.04 and 15.05 guests. Can anyone give me some hints about what it might be related to? Maybe some Unity code references related to content drawing? Maybe even some Unity dev can take a look to the issue and say if the problem related to Unity itself or Virtu
[10:12] <galitsyn-vb> alBox guest additions libraries work in some unexpected way?
[10:34] <Mirv> galitsyn-vb: many of the Unity7 developers are in US timezone although they should see your message later if they have 24/7 irc
[10:42] <galitsyn-vb> Mirv, I see. Thanks!
[11:42] <bregma> galitsyn-vb, it sounds like something in the VirtualBox video driver is not handling restoration of the GL context correctly -- userspace applications should normally be completely unaware of the save/restore activity, but there's a possibility there is an improperly handled code path in Compiz that is not normally exercised elsewhere
[11:42] <bregma> I'll ask the Unity 7 devs to consider possibilities
[11:43] <bregma> galitsyn-vb, have you opened a bug in Launchpad?
[12:08] <galitsyn-vb> bregma, no, have not submitted bug yet.
[12:08] <bregma> it's the recommended way
[12:09] <galitsyn-vb> I see. Will submit. Thanks!
[15:04] <galitsyn-vb> bregma, seems the issue with graphical content freeze on VM restore is not directly related to Unity and even to Ubuntu itself. Very similar issue on state restore happens with glxgears app running inside the other Linux distribution and with different window manager at all. Seems there is something got upset in X11 libraries. Sorry for the noise.
[15:05] <galitsyn-vb> ..and thank you for response!
[15:05] <bregma> :)
[16:09] <tsdgeos> anyone feels like getting https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/lvwph_firstVisibleIndex_remove/+merge/253236 ?
[16:09] <tsdgeos> Cimi: mzanetti: ↑ ?
[16:09] <tsdgeos> Cimi: so what happened to the regression? You left it unfixed?
[16:09] <mzanetti> ok. can review it
[16:11] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: read the comment i made on the associated bug, i can't possitively confirm this fixes the crash, but at least it fixes something that may fix it
[16:11] <mzanetti> yep, already saw it
[16:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, hmm, added silo 12 to flo, no keyboard, that known?
[16:14] <mzanetti> Saviq, I see missing OSK with various things lately. iirc I pinged you on friday about it already
[16:14] <mzanetti> but I haven't tracked it down to something yet
[16:15] <mzanetti> will watch it more closely
[16:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, so maybe it's a flo thing, or are you seeing it on mako too?
[16:15] <mzanetti> I saw it on mako, yes
[16:16] <Saviq> hmm, first time I had it now, and I can't get it at all, reboots or anything
[16:17]  * Saviq reflashes
[16:18] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I might be asking something stupid now:
[16:18] <mzanetti> I see in the bug that index == 0 and firstVisibleIndex == 0 when this happens
[16:18] <mzanetti> in your branch the if is (remove.index <= m_firstVisibleIndex)
[16:18] <mzanetti> which should be true in that case
[16:19] <mzanetti> oh wait... remove.index might be something else than index
[16:19] <mzanetti> hmm... it's insert.index
[16:20] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: my hunch is that in the crash it was going through growDown
[16:20] <tsdgeos> though reading the code i can't see how that could happen really
[16:20] <tsdgeos> there's two fixes
[16:21] <tsdgeos> a decouple the code that sets the m_firstVisibleIndex that was only in the else of growDown
[16:21] <tsdgeos> and then actually set the  m_firstVisibleIndex for when the list is not empty
[16:23] <mzanetti> right... I get it now
[16:23] <tsdgeos> i'll put those two lines in the commit lof
[16:23] <tsdgeos> g
[16:46] <Saviq> Mirv, if still around, any idea about OSK missing on flo with 5.4.1?
[16:48] <Mirv> Saviq: qml cache
[16:49] <Saviq> d'oh
[16:50] <Saviq> Mirv, you must've been asked that like 100 times now, sry
[16:53] <josharenson> mterry: I added you as a reviewer to this, don't know if you saw https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/add_slim_greeter_modes/+merge/252836
[17:01] <Mirv> Saviq: :) np, being brief just because busy with other stuff
[21:50] <josharenson> receiving this error when trying to debuild w/ SessionManager plugin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10617713/


[00:01] <knome> nighty!
[00:10] <pleia2> in flavors testcases session
[00:19] <pleia2> yay, michag is here too
[00:19] <pleia2> micahg too
[00:21]  * Unit193 starts to go to the slow site.
[00:35] <Unit193> pleia2: You have a link of how the automated ISO test works is?  There was a video session about it earlier and I was only paying half attention. :/
[00:36] <pleia2> Unit193: this is what was mentioned at the plenary: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/UbuntuAutomationTestHarness
[00:37] <Unit193> Thanks.
[00:39] <pleia2> just talked to micahg, I'll email him a link to the current dev wiki that needs love and he'll work to edit and consolidate
[00:39]  * pleia2 wanders out to lobby
[00:41] <Unit193> Right, I'll have to hunt down answers for my idiot questions. :P
[04:21] <astraljava> Yes, thank you! Can we please, PLEASE, get that factoid renamed? Now even users are complaining about it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/981070/
[04:44] <cody-somerville> astraljava, no.
[04:45] <astraljava> Fine.
[08:36] <mr_pouit> yeah, +1 to change the factoid name, it's misleading
[08:36] <Unit193> As well as purelxde, puregnome, and purekde? ;)
[08:38] <mr_pouit> no idea for them, but we have to carry a few patches anyway, and use some non default configure flags, so that's not a "pure xfce" ;-)
[08:39] <ochosi> +1
[09:06] <mr_pouit> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance << search for "LCD Hinting"
[09:06] <mr_pouit> we might want to add that to our faq (it's in 4.10, but I backported this part to our package)
[09:07] <mr_pouit> I read some complaints about the fonts that don't look good, and I guess it's solved when people set this key to lcddefault
[09:08] <mr_pouit> (although it should only affect people who upgrade, since otherwise xubuntu-default-settings use lcddefault)
[09:18] <knome> another alternative is to edit the factoid and emphasize more that the solution is for "clean xubuntu", and that if they wanted "pure xfce", they'd need to do something else or that this isn't available
[09:28] <knome> who is running psychocats.net anyway? could we ask *them* to add a paragraph about not being "pure xfce" too
[09:28] <knome> i mean, the page is clearly saying "remove kubuntu" etc., but still weirdly, getting to "pure xfce"
[09:29] <ochosi> why not link that factoid to a page in the ubuntu-wiki instead?
[09:30] <ochosi> i mean we never know when psychocats decides when to take the site down
[09:30] <ochosi> and then it's just a link to a 404
[09:30] <knome> do you want to maintain the page? :]
[09:30] <ochosi> not really :)
[09:30] <ochosi> at least not if you want me to do artwork stuff
[09:30] <knome> it doesn't seem to be very probable that he *is* taking it down
[09:31] <knome> and if he does, we can just remove the factoid then
[09:31] <ochosi> well then ask the guy whether he wants to maintain the page in the wiki
[09:31] <ochosi> :)
[09:31] <knome> :|
[09:31]  * knome doesn't want any more stuff in the wiki now that he cleaned it up
[09:31] <ochosi> hehe
[09:31] <knome> imo this site is completely *fine*
[09:32] <knome> we can just edit the factoid and that's fine
[09:32] <knome> but if the site owner could add a notification too, that would be great
[09:32] <ochosi> what notification?
[09:33] <knome> that it isn't really "pure xfce" they are getting but "pure xubuntu"
[09:34] <knome> ooh, btw!
[09:34] <knome> woot
[09:34] <knome> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce redirects to http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu !
[09:34] <knome> just the page title is wrong
[09:35] <knome> kde -> kubuntu etc
[09:47] <Unit193> And, wiki.ubuntu.com lags/fails/is slow all the time, the site isn't as bad. :P
[09:56] <knome> yeah, that too
[09:56] <knome> help.ubuntu.com maybe...
[12:30] <knome> is it possible to control the thunar folder view (eg. zoom) per-folder?
[12:31] <knome> also, is there any way i could increase the max thumbnail size?
[12:33] <ochosi> ad 1) no
[12:34] <ochosi> ad 2) what exactly do you mean, res of thumbnails or of their display-size in thunar?
[12:37] <mr_pouit> 1) you could, but you'd need to store the view settings somewhere (e.g. in the gfile metadata for each folder). No idea of the impact on perfs.
[12:38] <ochosi> mr_pouit: iirc jannis was always really opposed to that idea, so it'd need some other thunar maintainer (or a xubuntu-patch) :)
[12:38] <mr_pouit> yes (and I don't intend to patch :p)
[12:39] <mr_pouit> I've only played with gio metadata for emblems (so that nautilus and thunar would share them, e.g. ubuntu-one emblems would be visible in thunar)
[12:41] <ochosi> hmm, yeah, that would be nice i guess
[12:42] <ochosi> i still don't like the position of the emblems a lot
[12:42] <mr_pouit> (but that was rather hackish https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8055)
[12:43] <mr_pouit> thanks for your contribution ubottu
[12:43] <ochosi> :)
[12:43] <ochosi> mr_pouit: btw, i wanted to ask you whether you have a clue how to query xfconf best from python or vala
[12:44] <ochosi> sean davis (the bugreporter) is working on that keyboard-shortcuts overlay thingy
[12:45] <mr_pouit> you have the c api, and you can also call xfconf-query, but that's ugly and inefficient
[12:45] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[12:45] <ochosi> the other way would be to use an xml parser
[12:45] <ochosi> but that's also fugly
[12:45] <ochosi> so c/vala would be the best way then
[12:46] <mr_pouit> yep
[12:46] <ochosi> mkay, i don't think that'll make him happy, but hey.. :)
[12:47] <mr_pouit> (with the c api, you can also bind an object property to the xfconf property, and any change is reflected in both directions)
[12:48] <mr_pouit> unfortunately there are no bindings for other languages
[12:49] <mr_pouit> (or they are outdated)
[12:49] <ochosi> yeah. there were python bindings, but i thing they're dated
[14:17] <ochosi> slowly getting blackbird into shape... http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-041735pm.php
[14:23] <bluesabre> still looking awesome
[14:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks. just fixed the treeview headers right now
[14:30] <ochosi> btw, i think porting to vala might really be the most sensible thing to do for the shortcuts-overlay
[14:30] <bluesabre> yeah, I've been working on the vala stuff
[14:30] <ochosi> c bindings are the most efficient way of accessing xfconf (as expected)
[14:56] <ochosi> blackbird's gtk2 theme is ready for some testing now, i'm mainly interested whether the colours work for you guys: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Blackbird
[14:57] <ochosi> i'm away for the weekend, have fun everyone!
[20:43] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/998233


[05:22] <submux_> @falcojr thank you SOOO much for looking at the bug. And let me point out that I'm thoroughly embarrassed that I didn't even see the signed-by statement. I had cut and pasted that from the docker website and never looked at it. I didn't want to spam the bug report with "thank you" messages, but that was a great response. I'll for now leave it open as you've made the correction for the cause and for the security reasons it should
[13:37] <paride> Hi! So cloud-init is now registered as a project on Libera, owning #cloud-init and the #cloud-init-* channel namespace
[13:37] <Xe> woohoo
[13:38] <paride> I configured the channel to gave ops to rick_h and the committers, let me know if there's anything else to set/tweak
[13:38] <paride> smoser is also on the list but currently not identified with the nickserv
[13:39] <paride> once we agree everything looks good let's update the docs and notify people on the mailing list
[13:46] <smoser> i'm not?
[13:46] <paride> smoser, `/whois smoser` doesn't show you as "Logged in as ..."
[13:46] <paride> there
[13:47] <smoser> there.
[14:27] <rharper> paride: nice!
[15:50] <blackboxsw> woooooo!
[15:57] <dmellado> hi folks!
[15:57] <dmellado> I've got a probably stupid question
[15:58] <dmellado> is there any straight way, within cloud-init that it would retry for resolving the metadata url?
[15:58] <dmellado> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceEc2.py#L251
[15:58] <dmellado> like, I can just submit a patch for adding a for blah then retry if not
[15:59] <dmellado> but just wanted to be sure it wasn't already there
[16:00] <dmellado> @smoser o/
[16:05] <smoser> retrying there should not really be necessary. and 'is_resolvable_url' only checks (i htink) if the url is actually resolvable... it doesnt check it at all. so if you gave an IP address i think it would be guaranteed to pass.
[16:07] <dmellado> I'm hitting a case where there's intermitent dns issues
[16:07] <dmellado> like, at some point it fails to resolve
[16:08] <dmellado> so was thinking about adding such option for this usecase
[16:08] <smoser> its probably racing with something on system boot.
[16:08] <smoser> and fixing that, or fixing your dns server would be good options.
[16:09] <dmellado> yeah, probably that


 They are saying on the lxqt channel that in a few weeks lxqt 1.2.0 is coming with little changes.
[14:43] <kc2bez[m]> I noticed the same thing @roberalz LXQt has been doing well at being consistent on releasing lately.
[14:44] <kc2bez[m]> I also noticed the Calamares SRU for focal went through and the package is in proposed so it now needs testing/verification.
 "I also noticed the Calamares SRU..." <- You mean Jammy? :)
 "You mean Jammy? :)" <- Wow! Yes I did.
[22:14] <kc2bez[m]> 🤦