[12:00] <britt_> ok
[12:01] <britt_> cya
[12:01] <hypa7i1> britt_: what's the native resolution?  i'm running mine at 1280x800 if it would help you to have a look at my x conf
[12:03] <|trey|> ogra, removing the Sync values seems to automatically set defaults per "mode"... it works here...
[12:03] <lml> Do anybody have some pointers to get ssh X forwarding to work with Ubuntu?
[12:03] <ogra> |trey|: tube or flatscreen ?
[12:03] <ogra> lml: ssh -X
[12:04] <lml> I using a FC2 machine to access an Ubuntu machine via ssh and cannot get ssh X forwarding to work.
[12:04] <|trey|> ogra, Flat... but not LCD  :/
[12:04] <ogra> |trey|: i wouldnt like to try it with a tube....
[12:04] <ogra> |trey|: could burn it
[12:05] <|trey|> ogra, if it doesn't like the resolution, sure...
[12:05] <lml> ogra: Thx - what is the reason I do not have to specify -X when doing this between FC2 macines?
[12:05] <ogra> |trey|: its not only the res.....its also the pixelclock ....
[12:06] <ogra> lml: i dont know why you dont have to specify it on fedora, never used that.... ;)
[12:07] <bob2> lml: make sure you have xbase-clients installed on the server
[12:07] <ogra> |trey|: in ancient times you had to compute your modelines by hand....ive seen many monitors burn in my life :)
[12:08] <ogra> |trey|: made me carefull .....
[12:08] <ljb> lml: because fedora core probably enables X forwarding by default
[12:08] <ljb> lml: see /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:09] <gen> I need a bit of help
[12:09] <lml> ljb: Thx - just a bit confused that it is also something that can be set on the server side.
[12:09] <ogra> ljb: like this crap with yes/no on rm ?
[12:10] <lml> bob2: got it.
[12:10] <ljb> lml: /etc/ssh/ssh_config will modify the default client settings so that you wouldn't need a -X
[12:10] <gen> when i try to "sudo apt-get install libpng-dev" I get "You should explicitly select one to install. Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate
[12:10] <gen> Can anyone help? Thanks.
[12:10] <lml> Everything is working nicely now - thank you everyone.
[12:11] <ogra> gen: libpng12-dev
[12:12] <Zugwrack> Ok I need a gentle push in the right direction here...I am somewhat familiar with Linux(MDK,Arch) not synaptic or dep packages...sooo
[12:12] <gen> ogra: Thanks, worked
[12:12] <ogra> Zugwrack: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[12:12] <Zugwrack> I was looking to install streamripper..search did not find it...what about enabling universe?
[12:13] <bob2> hah, good guess ogra
[12:13] <Zugwrack> ogra: Been there done that...
[12:13] <ogra> Zugwrack: did you refresh ?
[12:13] <bob2> streamripper - download online streams into mp3 files
[12:14] <bob2> it's in hoary's universe, at least
[12:14] <Zugwrack> Yes...but it just says to delete all the options that don't have "deb"...well all the ones I have for Warty have deb in them..except universe is not checked
[12:14] <macTijn> can anyone explain to me why I can't select non-ttf fonts in gnome-terminal ?
[12:14] <ogra> bob2: great tool.....use it with streamtuner
[12:14] <bob2> macTijn: "can't select" or "doesn't list"?
[12:14] <bob2> Zugwrack: enable universe
[12:14] <macTijn> bob: "doesn't list", sorry :)
[12:14] <bob2> macTijn: nano /etc/fonts/local.conf
[12:14] <bob2> enable bitmap fonts there
[12:14] <macTijn> ok if I use vi ? :>
[12:14] <bob2> or maybe it's fonts.conf, I forget
[12:15] <macTijn> ah!
[12:15] <macTijn> I see
[12:15] <macTijn> thanks :)
[12:16] <Zugwrack> Ahhh..however next question...how safe is it to use universe? There was a warning about enabling it..
[12:16] <ogra> Zugwrack: its ok to use universe
[12:16] <macTijn> bob2: I guess I have to restart X for that stuff to work
[12:16] <macTijn> right ?
[12:17] <macTijn> probably.
[12:17] <macTijn> bbl :)
[12:17] <ogra> macTijn: try: fc-cache
[12:17] <Zugwrack> ogra: K thanks...
[12:18] <macTijn> too late, restarted X already
[12:18] <macTijn> this is great :)
[12:18] <macTijn> thanks :)
[12:18] <Zugwrack> Now on to the next question... I ran xsane but it says there isn't a scanner available...however a reply on the mailing list said they have a Canoscan LiDE 20 and it works fine...I have a 30...I am in the "scanners" group...can someone help me? I am running PPC version
[12:19] <ogra> Zugwrack: that was me *g*
[12:19] <Zugwrack> Ahhh...kewl...heh
[12:19] <bagpuss> anyone have any idea why mplayer would give hundreds of:
[12:19] <bagpuss> ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 48%
[12:19] <bagpuss> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[12:19] <ogra> Zugwrack: have you looked with groups ?
[12:20] <Zugwrack> Yes...it shows "scanner" in the output
[12:20] <Zugwrack> Maybe just unplug and re-plug it in?
[12:20] <ogra> Zugwrack: yep and immediately type: dmesg in a terminal after that
[12:21] <Zugwrack> ogra: K...wait one
[12:23] <Zugwrack> ogra: Where to paste the output? I did a tail -f so as not to report back the whole thing..
[12:23] <Zugwrack> I see nothing about Canon or anything
[12:23] <Zugwrack> I know it worked when I was running MDK 10.1 PPC
[12:23] <Zugwrack> under KDE
[12:23] <dieman> Kamion: you around?
[12:23] <ogra> Zugwrack: did it scroll ? your tail -f ?
[12:24] <Matt|> does anyone know how to get bash-completion working with man pages, apt-get install package etc, etc
[12:24] <Matt|> ??
[12:24] <Zugwrack> nope..as I recall it only reports the last 10 lines or so...
[12:24] <dieman> Kamion: oh, n/m
[12:24] <dieman> Kamion: i'm not looking in the right place
[12:24] <ogra> Zugwrack: another way.... open your device manager, see if its there
[12:24] <Matt|> Zugwrack, if you want more lines: tail -n 100 -f
[12:25] <Zugwrack> ogra: K...let me search in Gnome to find it...sorry not a Gnome person yet...
[12:25] <Zugwrack> Matt|: K thank you
[12:25] <ogra> Zugwrack: Computer->System Settings->Device Manager
[12:26] <Zugwrack> It is there..with 3 USB devices listed below the main entry
[12:26] <Zugwrack> It shows device unknown though on the right
[12:27] <Zugwrack> Vendor and Device are unknown as well
[12:27] <ogra> Zugwrack: thats bad....
[12:28] <Zugwrack> ogra: Under the advanced tab it shows the Canon and such
[12:28] <Matt|> ogra, does the preferences menu in mrburns do anything? do i need files in there for it to work?
[12:28] <ogra> Matt|: drag n drop mp3 or ogg files from nautilus
[12:29] <Zugwrack> usb.device_product shows the exact model # and such
[12:29] <Matt|> ogra, preferences menu still does nothing: nothing opens
[12:29] <ogra> Zugwrack: k, just plugged in mine....same here, so its ok
[12:29] <Zugwrack> ogra: I have guests coming to dinner....you be around for a while later?
[12:29] <Matt|> ogra, neither the information option
[12:30] <ogra> Matt|: no pref yet.....as i dont know what to put there,,,,,
[12:30] <r|meLLo> Hey, fellas, during the install of Ubuntu, I told it to enable searching the internet for updates, and now my laptop is going thorugh a heck of a lot of files, setting them up. Is this normal for installation?
[12:30] <Zugwrack> sind sie aus Deutschland?
[12:30] <Matt|> ogra, oh i c. You could put a "2 seconds between tracks" option
[12:30] <GnuHippy> yes r|meLL0
[12:30] <ogra> Zugwrack: nope, its 00:29 in germany....tomorrow...
[12:30] <Zugwrack> r|meLLo: yes
[12:30] <r|meLLo> Okay, cool. Thanks.
[12:30] <GnuHippy> just wait a while
[12:30] <GnuHippy> it'll be done
[12:30] <Zugwrack> Ok..I just noticed on your mail it was in German
[12:30] <Matt|> r|meLLo, yup it is updating your packages
[12:30] <ogra> Matt|: the window you look for comes if you click the cd
[12:31] <r|meLLo> Well, the laptop isn't connected to the interne.t
[12:31] <r|meLLo> That could be a problem, right?
[12:31] <Matt|> ogra, huh?
[12:31] <ogra> Matt|: the second screenshot i assumed
[12:31] <gen> Ok, I have a "problem" on my end obviously with VLC and mplayer, both say "Couldn't open DVD device: dev/dvd" but there IS a dvd in there, log says the directory doesn't "exist", whats the deal?
[12:31] <Zugwrack> ogra: Check you later d00d...thanks for the help..be back l8r
[12:32] <ogra> Zug: have a nice one ;)
[12:32] <ogra> oh
[12:32] <Bliksem> any way to change the icon size in gnomw?
[12:32] <Matt|> ogra, do i need a cd in the drive for the second cd to work?
[12:32] <Bliksem> *gnome
[12:32] <ogra> Matt|: the second CD ?
[12:32] <Matt|> ogra, that second cd button you speak of
[12:32] <gen> can you help ogra?
[12:33] <Matt|> gen, do "ls -l /dev/dvd
[12:33] <Matt|> "
[12:33] <ogra> gen: does totem say that too ?
[12:33] <gen> ls: /dev/dvd: No such file or directory
[12:34] <Matt|> gen, ok fine
[12:34] <Matt|> gen, what is your dvd drive called do you know?
[12:34] <Matt|> gen, something like hda, hdb, hdc, hdd
[12:34] <gen> cdrom0 i believe
[12:34] <ogra> Matt|: nope... you click on the CD in the first win after you added files to the win.....then you get the options ....
[12:34] <r|meLLo> Tthe laptop isn't connected to the internet, and I think it's searching for the latest packages, but it's setting up things now. Is this okay?
[12:34] <Matt|> ogra, i didn't get many options
[12:34] <gen> oh
[12:34] <gen> dev/hdc
[12:34] <Matt|> gen, ok you need to make a link from /dev/dvd
[12:34] <ogra> Matt|: if you click the cd in the options win, the burning starts
[12:34] <Matt|> or put /dev/hdc in mplayer
[12:34] <Matt|> the first is a better option
[12:35] <gen> make a link?
[12:35] <Matt|> ogra, oh ok; i understood you to mean that the 2 second between tracks was in that window
[12:35] <ogra> Matt|: will be deleted on reboot.....
[12:35] <Matt|> gen, yep
[12:35] <ben_> is there any way to get firefox to render crap faster?
[12:35] <Matt|> huh?
[12:35] <gen> as in..
[12:35] <gen> make a link where matt
[12:35] <Matt|> deleted on reboot?
[12:35] <Matt|> gen, hang on maybe i'm wrong
[12:35] <ogra> Matt|: there is no such option.....
[12:35] <gen> ok
[12:35] <Matt|> ogra, /dev links are deleted on reboot?
[12:35] <ogra> udev creates the devices on boot
[12:36] <Matt|> omg
[12:36] <hypa7i1> haha, that explains things
[12:36] <Matt|> gen, ok scrap that
[12:36] <gen> ok
[12:36] <Matt|> gen, just put /dev/hdc in mplayer
[12:36] <Matt|> that really sux
[12:36] <ogra> so the second option was better
[12:36] <gen> only have a choice to open Matt|
[12:36] <gen> and it auto opens
[12:36] <gen> and gives me that error
[12:36] <ogra> Matt|: you can configure udev
[12:36] <Matt|> gen, in mplayer preferences
[12:36] <ben_> how can i make configuring network interfaces go faster?
[12:36] <ben_> on boot up
[12:37] <Matt|> gen, use the command gmplayer
[12:37] <gen> oh
[12:37] <ogra> ben_: buy gigabit
[12:37] <gen> i see it
[12:37] <Matt|> gen, then right click and select preferences
[12:37] <gen> k hold
[12:37] <Matt|> ogra, so how do you configure udev?
[12:37] <ogra> ben_: and a fast DHCP server for your LAN
[12:37] <ben_> ogra: huh?
[12:37] <gen> it works matt
[12:37] <gen> thanks a lot
[12:37] <Matt|> np
[12:37] <Matt|> ogra, i am used to adding links
[12:37] <ben_> ogra: is this software side or hardware side?
[12:38] <ogra> Matt|: ls /etc/udev/
[12:38] <ogra> Matt|: and have fun....breaking your system *g*
[12:38] <Matt|> ogra, actually that would have been a good time to say rtfm
[12:38] <Matt|> ogra, you don't trust me
[12:38] <Matt|> :(((
[12:38] <Matt|> so back to mrburns
[12:38] <Matt|> perhaps in the preference you could put some options
[12:39] <ogra> Matt|: i do.... dont ask how often i broke mine whrn udev was new
[12:39] <Matt|> ogra, oh well fortunately /dev/cdrom exists ok in my case
[12:39] <Matt|> ogra, you know what annoys me with this cd burning technique?
[12:39] <ogra> Matt|: i will.... mrburns is just in early state
[12:39] <Matt|> ogra, dragging files from nautilus
[12:39] <ogra> Matt|: why ?
[12:40] <ogra> Matt|: do you use spatial nautilus ?
[12:40] <Matt|> ogra, is there anyway to prevent nautilus taking over the screen when i click and hold on files to drag them (i.e. the target window remains active)?
[12:40] <ben_> i tried the ipv6 stuff and firefox is still slow :(
[12:40] <ben_> boo
[12:40] <ogra> Matt|: nope, i dont thonk so.....
[12:40] <Matt|> ogra, there must be :(
[12:40] <Matt|> even windows does that
[12:41] <Matt|> what is spatial nautilus?
[12:41] <ogra> Matt|: non browser mode
[12:41] <Matt|> ogra, i use browser
[12:41] <Matt|> can't stand all the windows
[12:41] <ogra> Matt|: ahh, understand....
[12:42] <ogra> Matt|: if you are used to spatial the burning mehod is just great.....but i will add a load dirctory option in the file menu
[12:42] <Matt|> ogra, oh that would be kewl. i'm gonna try and find out if this thing can be solved in nautilus
[12:42] <Matt|> is #gnome on this network the main gnome channel?
[12:43] <ogra> Matt|: dunno
[12:43] <Matt|> don't think so
[12:43] <Matt|> 47 people
[12:43] <Matt|> hi lamont
[12:44] <ljb> matt: irc.gnome.org
[12:44] <ogra> Matt|: btw, see the mrburns website, there are the planned fetures listed
[12:44] <ogra> +a
[12:44] <Matt|> thanks ljb
[12:44] <Matt|> k
[12:44] <Matt|> know what channel ljb ?
[12:45] <ljb> no idea :)
[12:45] <Matt|> k
[12:46] <gen> how do I install the java platform, it came as a .bin
[12:46] <r|meLLo> Allright, thanks guys. I'll be sure to come back and bug you later when I have questions about operating Ubuntu. :D Thanks for all your help.
[12:46] <cardador> gen: sh file.bin
[12:47] <gen> thanks card
[12:47] <cardador> gen: np :P
[12:47] <zenwhen_> I was just wondering why I was only getting 200FPS in Quake 3 at 1600x1200 with 4x AA and it was because I was compiling a kernel in the background.
[12:47] <zenwhen_> xD
[12:48] <lifeless> bob2: ping
[12:48] <cardador> zenwhen_: i would do a rm * -rf :P
[12:48] <ljb> zenwhen: i'd like to have that problem
[12:49] <zenwhen_> loll
[12:49] <gen> cardador: ok the folder is in the home dir, should it be moved?
[12:49] <cardador> gen: not necessarly, you have to export the java path
[12:49] <zenwhen_> Linux sunball 2.6.10-rc1-mm3-barry1 #4 SMP Mon Nov 8 18:24:40 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:49] <gen> export to where
[12:50] <gen> I feel like an idiot
[12:51] <pedru> gen use java-package to create a deb
[12:51] <pedru> it will take care of setting paths tooo
[12:52] <gen> java-package?
[12:53] <ogra> gen: from universe/multiverse
[12:53] <gen> i see
[12:53] <gen> doing that now
[12:53] <pedru> yes, it is a tool that creates java.debs from the non-free sun bin files
[12:53] <gen> I guess i did the hard way
[12:55] <pedru> no, you did it the sun way...
[12:55] <ben_> ogra: what were you saying before about dcph or w/e it's called?
[12:56] <ogra> ben_: it was a joke.....
[12:57] <ogra> ben_: i said gigabit ethernet and a fast DHCP server in your LAN will speed up the network configuration
[12:59] <ben_> ogra: it never takes that long on windows though
[12:59] <ben_> it takes upwards of 2 min and it's really annoying
[12:59] <gen> ok I still can't get java correctly
[12:59] <ben_> what is it doing?
[12:59] <ben_> that was to ogra
[12:59] <ogra> ben_: i cant compare it, got no windows
[01:00] <hacked`> guys
[01:00] <gen> girls
[01:00] <hacked`> i just installed amsn linux-i386 installer
[01:00] <ben_> i'm pretty sure that windows loads that crap later
[01:00] <hacked`> and its a .bin
[01:00] <hacked`> how do i install that guys?
[01:00] <ogra> amsn ?
[01:00] <schifo> correct
[01:01] <gen> whats amsn
[01:01] <schifo> msn messenger client
[01:01] <Matt|> schifo, nice nick
[01:01] <schifo> thanks
[01:01] <ogra> schifo: sh file.bin
[01:01] <Matt|> schifo, have you tried running the bin as a script
[01:01] <Matt|> ^^
[01:01] <schifo> sh you mean?
[01:01] <Matt|> schifo, or better, installing gaim ;p
[01:01] <schifo> i hate gain
[01:01] <schifo> ogra, thanks
[01:02] <ogra> schifo: why dont you like gaim ?
[01:02] <ben_> ogra: how long does network config take for you?
[01:02] <ben_> gaim is ugly
[01:02] <schifo> amsn-0.94-linux-installer.bin: amsn-0.94-linux-installer.bin: cannot execute binary file
[01:02] <ogra> ben_: hmmm, doesnt convince me ;)
[01:03] <ben_> ogra:lolz
[01:03] <Zugwrack> ogra: Got it...seems after I unplugged it a second time...no worries ;-P
[01:03] <ben_> what's the command in xchat for the nick completer
[01:03] <ogra> Zugwrack: great ;)
[01:03] <ben_> or how can i turn it on
[01:04] <Zugwrack> ogra: Which smp kernel should I choose for my G4 dual mirrored drive box?
[01:04] <ogra_dogwalk> Zugwrack: i have no ppc here....probably someone else.....
[01:06] <ben_> how do i get the nick completer to work in xchat?
[01:06] <Zugwrack> ogra_dogwalk:K thanks
[01:06] <Zugwrack> anyone here running PPC with dual processors(G4)?
[01:07] <Zugwrack> Anyone got an iPod working in Ubuntu?
[01:07] <ben_> go to ipod lounge
[01:07] <ben_> and search for linux
[01:07] <Zugwrack> ben_: Ok thanks
[01:08] <wishy> ben_: Tab, but I think you have to turn it on
[01:08] <ben_> wishy: tab what?
[01:08] <ben_> oops
[01:08] <ben_> i see
[01:08] <ben_> nvm
[01:08] <wishy> :)
[01:09] <ben_> lol, ken jennings is on
[01:09] <ben_> what's the path to the cpufreq drivers?
[01:12] <jdub> ben_: find /lib/modules | grep cpufreq
[01:12] <mjg59> The processor modules are in /lib/modules/whatever/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq
[01:13] <mjg59> The governer modules are somewhere else
[01:13] <nevyn> jdub: gksu and gksudo seem to be the same binary is there a way in gconf to force sudo behavior?
[01:13] <jdub> i don't think they use gconf at all
[01:15] <Lowry> hi all
[01:15] <PlaztkEyes> howdy all...
[01:16] <PlaztkEyes> i'm new to ubuntu, and trying to get the ati driver to install...
[01:16] <PlaztkEyes> i found some good stuff online, but when I alien the rpm from ATI, it spews out tons of errors.
[01:18] <PlaztkEyes> don't everybody roll their eyes at once...
[01:18] <hypa7i1> PlaztkEyes: lemme find you the right tutorial :-)
[01:18] <hypa7i1> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:18] <hypa7i1> that be the one :-)
[01:18] <PlaztkEyes> hypa7il:  spank you very much! :)
[01:18] <hypa7i1> erk, wtf is with my nick
[01:19] <Lowry> Is there an ati ppc driver option?
[01:19] <hypa7ia> i don't think so Lowry
[01:19] <hypa7ia> but i may be wrong
[01:20] <Matt|> does anyone know a lot about metacity?
[01:20] <Lowry> nvidia ppc?
[01:20] <gen> Matt|: I still can't get java installed
[01:20] <PlaztkEyes> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[01:20] <hypa7ia> yup PlaztkEyes
[01:20] <hypa7ia> it's in the reps :-)
[01:20] <PlaztkEyes> kicks back with an error...
[01:20] <Matt|> gen, you have followed the wiki?
[01:20] <gen> :/
[01:21] <hypa7ia> ahh, you need to add restricted PlaztkEyes
[01:21] <gen> no hold
[01:21] <gen> didnt know there was one on it
[01:21] <Matt|> yeah a whole one i think
[01:21] <Matt|> come on there is a metacity expert in here somewhere
[01:22] <Matt|> jdub, you can't help me with this one can you?
[01:22] <nevyn> can anyone suggest a memory light graphical MUA suitible for a new user.
[01:22] <lamont_r> Matt|, what's metacity doing to you?
[01:22] <nevyn> the gtk equiv to kmail would be perfect.
[01:23] <Matt|> lamont_r, nothing in particular, it's more what I want it to do
[01:23] <nevyn> thunderbird is a bit 800lb gorilla.
[01:23] <PlaztkEyes> hypa7ia: doing that now.  tx.
[01:23] <lamont_r> Matt|, then you're probably on your own...
[01:23] <Matt|> lamont_r, i want the following window focus: when dragging and dropping I would like the target window, if active, to remain active
[01:24] <Matt|> like in Windoze
[01:24] <Matt|> lamont_r, you know if this is possible?
[01:24] <hypa7ia> no problemo PlaztkEyes
[01:24] <lamont_r> Matt|, I would love the same behaivor.  short of hacking over the source, I haven't found any way to change some of the focus options that I dislike though...
[01:24] <lamont_r> (opening a child window steals focus, for example...)
[01:25] <Matt|> lamont, i've tried all the other focus options i can see in gconf-editor, but they are all even worse
[01:25] <Matt|> lamont_r i mean
[01:25] <Matt|> damn cloner
[01:25] <Matt|> :p
[01:25] <lamont_r> lamont is the house me, about 1200 miles away
[01:25] <Matt|> lamont_r, huge commute
[01:25] <jdub> lamont_r: you using hoary atm?
[01:25] <Matt|> where do ya live?
[01:26] <lamont_r> jdub: I'm using a warty live CD atm
[01:26] <Matt|> hi jdub
[01:26] <lamont_r> Matt|, live in co.us, currently in ca.us
[01:26] <jdub> lamont_r: so the metacity in hoary has the beginnings of the focus stealing fixes
[01:26] <Lowry> Can ppc linux boot from a 2nd or 3rd firewire drive partion?
[01:26] <Matt|> jdub, do you know whether metacity is capable of doing those things which I described?
[01:27] <lamont_r> jdub: one of the cases that annoys me from metacity is considered to be a feature.
[01:27] <Matt|> lamont_r, i'm not good with US states
[01:27] <lamont_r> Matt|, sorry - live just east of the rockies (actually about 2 miles east of the edge of the foothills), currently left coast, near San Francisco
[01:27] <Matt|> omg wow
[01:27] <Matt|> what a place to live
[01:28] <lamont_r> Matt|, love it there
[01:28] <Matt|> i bet you do
[01:28] <Matt|> lucky you
[01:28] <Matt|> on holiday atm?
[01:28] <Matt|> with your trusty warty live cd?
[01:28] <lamont_r> Matt|: working remotely this week
[01:28] <schifo> guys, i was wondering if anybody has a few minutes to help me recompile my kernel
[01:28] <lamont_r> although the drive was a bit delayed, etc.
[01:28] <Matt|> schifo, we can try
[01:29] <jdub> lamont_r: which is that?
[01:29] <Matt|> lamont_r, just a change of scene?
[01:29] <jdub> Matt|: dunno
[01:29] <lamont_r> my sister's cable modem is not happy with my computer - happy to talk to her windoze box though...
[01:29] <Matt|> ah
[01:29] <schifo> Matt, i already followed 2 guides, and it didnt work
[01:29] <Matt|> schifo, it's easy
[01:29] <Matt|> schifo, why are you doing it tho?
[01:29] <schifo> i boot up with that kernel, and it says kernel panick
[01:29] <lamont_r> jdub: when I create a new window (by running an app in an xterm), don't *(_^*(^%_(*^ take the *&%) focus, dammit.
[01:29] <schifo> cause i need to patch my wireless card driver
[01:29] <Matt|> schifo, did you mkinitrd?
[01:29] <schifo> matt, never even heard of that
[01:29] <Matt|> schifo, no need to build a kernel to do that
[01:29] <jdub> lamont_r: the focus stealing changes may help with that
[01:30] <lamont_r> jdub: which is to say, it's a use model thing..
[01:30] <schifo> matt, im just following: http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-26_Orinoco_Rfmon.txt
[01:30] <lamont_r> jdub: they help by trying to get it down to just stealing the focus in specifically that case, near as I can figure from chatting with seb128
[01:30] <Matt|> schifo, you can just recompile the module, if you need to
[01:30] <Matt|> schifo, if the wifi card doesn't work out of the box, report it to someone at ubuntu tho
[01:30] <Matt|> >_>
[01:30] <lamont_r> brb
[01:31] <schifo> matt, my wireless card does work in ubuntu, im using it now
[01:31] <hypa7ia> Matt|: his card works, just not monitor mode
[01:31] <Matt|> oh i c
[01:31] <Matt|> fine
[01:31] <schifo> just not in monitor mode
[01:31] <Matt|> recompiling the module not enough hypa7ia ?
[01:31] <schifo> i applied the patch, i just have to recompile kernel apparently
[01:31] <hypa7ia> i don;t know Matt|, i'm lacking in clue when it comes to the kerne;
[01:31] <Matt|> lamont_r, jdub, opening an app from the terminal still loses focus from the terminal in hoary
[01:31] <GnuHippy> x.org?
[01:32] <Matt|> GnuHippy, damn hippy
[01:32] <GnuHippy> what kind of a name is Matt| anyway?
[01:32] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:32] <Matt|> at least I'm not asking the same question every 20 minutes
[01:32] <Matt|> go hug some trees until xorg is out
[01:33] <GnuHippy> ok
[01:33] <Matt|> argh
[01:33] <Matt|> get it offfff
[01:33] <Matt|> schifo, ok since you're nearly there, i'll help you with the kernel
[01:33] <Matt|> schifo, for future reference just recompile the individual module tho
[01:33] <Matt|> schifo, "ls /boot/"
[01:33] <schifo> thanks matt
[01:34] <schifo> what am i looking for
[01:34] <Matt|> PM me the whole thing
[01:36] <Matt|> schifo, any errors from that?
[01:36] <schifo> no
[01:36] <schifo> did it
[01:36] <Matt|> ls /boot
[01:36] <Matt|> look for the new file
[01:37] <schifo> initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>.110704
[01:37] <Matt|> good
[01:37] <Matt|> now, you need to edit grub
[01:38] <Matt|> "sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:38] <Matt|> "
[01:38] <Matt|> and make sure that you get the name of that file right
[01:38] <GnuHippy> I have a question
[01:38] <schifo> where do i insert it though
[01:38] <Matt|> don't...
[01:39] <bigbrother0074> hey, i'm having trouble mounting my external hdd..... how might i make it automount from now on?
[01:39] <GnuHippy> x.org?
[01:39] <Matt|> schifo, you need to make sure it looks like the entry from your default ubuntu kernel
[01:39] <Witigonen> Is thera GUI to partition hard drives for gnome?
[01:39] <Matt|> schifo, PM me the whole thing if in doubt
[01:39] <GnuHippy> qtparted
[01:39] <GnuHippy> but it isnt for gnome
[01:39] <hypa7ia> Witigonen: you could run qtparted off a knoppix cd
[01:40] <Witigonen> hypa7ia, Yeah, I've got several boot options, I'm just kind of lazy and don't want to reboot :)  I'll do that sometime, then.
[01:40] <bigbrother0074> hey, i'm having trouble mounting my external hdd..... how might i make it automount from now on?
[01:40] <Matt|Hippy> add to your fstab
[01:40] <PlaztkEyes> hypa7ai: no dice on the ATI driver yet...i installed the restricted modules via synaptic, and i even rebooted.
[01:40] <Matt|Hippy> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:41] <hypa7ia> PlaztkEyes: did you do all the configuration?
[01:41] <hypa7ia> is it in /etc/modules?
[01:41] <Witigonen> PlaztkEyes, you might have to run fglrxconfig.   It was a good one
[01:44] <bigbrother0074> Matt|Hippy, i think the module name is sda1
[01:44] <TheRealMatt|> no I like this one
[01:45] <Matt|> *sighs
[01:45] <TheRealMatt|> thats not a module
[01:45] <TheRealMatt|> sda1 is a block device
[01:45] <chibifs> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu Anyone disaprove of my addition here? <.<
[01:45] <Matt|> chibifs, hang on
[01:45] <bigbrother0074> oh...what would my module be then?
[01:45] <TheRealMatt|> persumably SATA of SCSI
[01:45] <ogra_dogwalk> TheRealMatt|: its a usb drive i guess handled by hotplug/pmount
[01:45] <Witigonen> Okay, I have four ten gig partitions in addition to a full very large /home partition.  They're linux native, so not formatted yet.  So, how can I format it to ext3 easily?  Somebody want to hold my hand through it?
[01:45] <Matt|> Witigonen, they are detected?
[01:45] <ogra_dogwalk> TheRealMatt|: no need for fstab.....
[01:46] <TheRealMatt|> probably
[01:46] <bigbrother0074> TheRealMatt|, yea, it's usb....
[01:46] <Matt|> Witigonen, see if you can do it in disks-admin
[01:46] <ogra_dogwalk> bigbrother0074: look in Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable....
[01:46] <Matt|> disks-admin must have a purpose
[01:47] <bigbrother0074> ogra_dogwalk, and then?
[01:47] <ogra_dogwalk> everything checked ?
[01:47] <Witigonen> Matt|, disks-admin?  Where is it?
[01:47] <ogra_dogwalk> except exec....
[01:47] <Matt|> Witigonen, Computer --> sys --> disks
[01:47] <Matt|> or type "disks-admin" in terminal;
[01:47] <bigbrother0074> ogra_dogwalk, oh...yes it is....but i think it's a diff prob
[01:48] <bigbrother0074> ogra_dogwalk, it just worked when i turned it off/on...but it didn't work when i rebooted....
[01:48] <Witigonen> Matt|, don't have it.
[01:48] <schifo> success matt
[01:48] <ogra_dogwalk> bigbrother0074: your disk should show up on the desktop
[01:48] <schifo> good job
[01:48] <bigbrother0074> ogra_dogwalk, yea, it does now
[01:48] <Matt|> Witigonen, oh damn
[01:48] <schifo> Linux jerkz <IP_ADDRESS>.110704 #1 Mon Nov 8 00:46:03 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:48] <Matt|> Witigonen, command line it is then
[01:48] <bigbrother0074> ogra_dogwalk, i don't know why it didn't when i rebooted tho.....that's frustrating
[01:48] <Matt|> schifo, happy
[01:48] <Matt|> :)
[01:49] <ogra_dogwalk> bigbrother0074: if it doesnt just replug or run the Removable media dialog
[01:49] <schifo> sure am, thanks a lot
[01:49] <Witigonen> Matt|, that's fine.
[01:49] <Matt|> schifo, is the card working?
[01:49] <bigbrother0074> ogra_dogwalk, ok, thnx for tha help
[01:49] <schifo> yep, monitor is listed there
[01:49] <Matt|> schifo, gd
[01:49] <ogra_dogwalk> bigbrother0074: most of that is caused by fam....which will get dropped in hoary...so things willget better in april ;)
[01:50] <GnuNotSoHippy> damn I wish DMA worked on my drives
[01:51] <Witigonen> GnuNotSoHippy, is the drive incapable of DMA or is it just on Ubuntu?  I had the same problem up until this morning.
[01:52] <GnotUnix> yeah it is just ubuntu
[01:52] <GnotUnix> it worked in windows
[01:52] <GnotUnix> and other distros
[01:52] <Witigonen> GnotUnix, you need to load the proper kernel drive before the ide-generic driver in /etc/modules.  If you have an nForce2 card, it's 'amd74xx'.  If not... you can probably find out with a few Google searches.
[01:53] <Matt|> nite all
[01:53] <GnotUnix> I tried looking on google
[01:53] <GnotUnix> nite buddy
[01:53] <GnotUnix> it is a via vt800 pro
[01:53] <GnotUnix>  kt800 pro
[01:54] <Witigonen> GnotUnix, I'm sure you can find the proper driver.  'via82cxxx' might be it, but, to be honest, I'm just saying that because it's the only other one I know besides the amd one :)
[01:55] <bloke2> anybody want to answer a stupid question
[01:56] <GnotUnix> k
[01:57] <tvon> hrm
[01:57] <tvon> Is hoary vfs/nautilus/whatnot in some sort of package upload transition?
[01:57] <bloke2> I'm trying to install livdvdcss2
[01:58] <bloke2> I get an error about needing libdvdread2, but I have libdvdread3 installed
[01:58] <tvon> fam -> gamin thing perhaps..
[01:58] <huttan> can anyone help me with isntalling ati drivers on ubuntu default kernel ?
[01:58] <hypa7ia> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto huttan
[01:58] <bloke2> does this mean that someone has moved the files around at ftp.nerim.net?
[01:58] <hypa7ia> lol, it was still in my pastebuffer from last time :-)
[02:00] <huttan> hypa7ia, it doesnt work
[02:01] <hypa7ia> huttan: did you reboot?
[02:01] <huttan> hypa7ia, yes
[02:01] <huttan> hypa7ia, still using mesa
[02:02] <hypa7ia> darn
[02:02] <hypa7ia> hmm
[02:03] <hypa7ia> have a peek in your XFree86Config
[02:03] <hypa7ia> make sure the values got changed correct5ly
[02:04] <Matt|> ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?
[02:06] <scopecrp> anyone here use a tdk dvd drive?
[02:07] <Matt|> ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?
[02:07] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, i'm having problems logging in, it says ""your session only lasted 10 seconds blah blah blah" then it loges me out WTF!!!! even failsafe doesnt work, the last thing I did was install k3b...
[02:07] <ogra> huttan: what says: lsmod|grep fglrx
[02:07] <hypa7ia> Mojo_Jojo: k3b broke your gnome, sounds like
[02:07] <Mojo_Jojo> FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:08] <AlohaWolf> Mojo_Jojo, I usually have the prpblem when I have permissions problems
[02:08] <Mojo_Jojo> anyway to fix it?
[02:08] <Mojo_Jojo> as of today I nolonger like kde
[02:08] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[02:08] <Matt|> anyone help with hoary?
[02:09] <huttan> fglrx                 207876  0
[02:09] <hypa7ia> Mojo_Jojo: what's it giving you errors on?  any further clues?
[02:09] <scopecrp> anyone have any idea why the install cd cant detect my tdk dvd+/-r(w) drive?
[02:09] <ogra> huttan: looks good !!
[02:09] <huttan> ogra, so how do i get it to work ?
[02:09] <ogra> huttan: sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:10] <ogra> huttan: or: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and exchange ati with glrx
[02:10] <ogra> +d
[02:10] <ogra> -d+f
[02:10] <ogra> lol
[02:10] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra how does that link help when I cant even login???
[02:10] <hypa7ia> Mojo_Jojo: k3bsetup may have borked your iceauth file
[02:11] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: do it in single user.... hit escape on grub boot
[02:11] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:11] <hypa7ia> login to console (ctrl alt f1)
[02:11] <ogra> hypa7ia: even better ;)
[02:11] <bagpuss> Mojo_Jojo: ctrl-alt-F1, login, sudo su, vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:11] <hypa7ia> ogra: what's single user?
[02:11] <Mojo_Jojo> already restarted haha
[02:11] <ogra> bag ?
[02:12] <ogra> hypa7ia: next time you reboot hit escape if grub says so....
[02:12] <ogra> hypa7ia: there is a failsafe mode
[02:12] <huttan> brb
[02:12] <huttan> gonna try
[02:13] <Mojo_Jojo> ok so now I just type in what it said in the link ogra gave me?
[02:14] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: should help....
[02:14] <hypa7ia> cool, thanks ogra
[02:14] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, now where is says "user" do I type in user or my username?
[02:14] <mdz> scopecrp: are you using SATA?
[02:14] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: $USER
[02:15] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:15] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: is the environment variable carrying your username......you can use it in scripts....etc
[02:17] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:17] <bagpuss> sscrew this...we need a warty installer with KDE and lilo by default
[02:17] <ogra> bagpuss: ???
[02:17] <bagpuss> should get done by 2007
[02:17] <heavy> just installed ubuntu, X doesn't come up.  What can I check?
[02:17] <hypa7ia> bagpuss: it's called knoppix :-)
[02:17] <aka_daemon> morning..
[02:18] <bagpuss> knoppix is not reallyu ideal for lots of other reasons
[02:18] <bagpuss> it's i386 specific for a start
[02:18] <ogra> hypa7ia: i dont think even knoppix uses lilo nowadays
[02:18] <aka_daemon> is ext3 fs able to handle 4.5 GB big files? (DVD Images)
[02:18] <bagpuss> ogra: ubuntu will use lilo if you tell it to
[02:18] <bagpuss> just not by default
[02:18] <cef_work> Doesn't anyone check links in their mail before they send them anymore?
[02:18] <Matt|> lilo is ok
[02:18] <bagpuss> I want one that does by default
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> I do
[02:19] <ogra> bagpuss: so build yur own ubuntu....
[02:19] <ogra> +o
[02:19] <drakonim> aka_daemon, yes ext3 is fine with a file that large... you cannot hardlink it or scp it to older hosts
[02:19] <bagpuss> ogra: yeah, I'll add it to the TODO list...should be done before the next oce age (probably)
[02:19] <Mojo_Jojo> ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG it's still doing it :(
[02:19] <huttan> ogra, wont work
[02:20] <Mojo_Jojo> now what do I do since I can't login?
[02:20] <ogra> huttan: post the "Device" section in a PM to me
[02:20] <aka_daemon> drakonim: I tried to copy an DVD image from a DVD to another PC in my network but it just copied 2. something GBs...
[02:21] <drakonim> aka_daemon, thats what im talking about, files over 2gb (x1024) may not copy.
[02:21] <hypa7ia> Mojo_Jojo: ctrl-alt-f1
[02:21] <hypa7ia> gets you a text console
[02:21] <Mojo_Jojo> hypa7iaok
[02:21] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the console ctrl-alt-f7 to get back
[02:21] <aka_daemon> drakonim: ok... anything I can do about it?
[02:21] <drakonim> aka_daemon, use the split and cat commands
[02:21] <Mojo_Jojo> ok now what?
[02:21] <bagpuss> now login
[02:21] <Mojo_Jojo> done :D
[02:22] <aka_daemon> kk, thanks!
[02:22] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: ls -al .X*
[02:22] <drakonim> split will cut up the file and cat will put them back together
[02:22] <drakonim> aka_daemon, NP
[02:22] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: ls -al .ICE*
[02:22] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: sory
[02:22] <bagpuss> fix whatever's broke?
[02:22] <aka_daemon> drakonim, btw. I don't think winXP has cat?!
[02:22] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: seems mako doesn't.. in the CD news thingy he put the url http://shipit.ubunutlinux.org/ .. doh!
[02:22] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra no such file or directory
[02:22] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:23] <drakonim> aka_daemon, oh your copying to a windblows machine huh
[02:23] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, it says it owned by root
[02:23] <heavy> gdm doesn't give me anything at all, just a blank terminal on vt 7, what can I check to fix this?
[02:23] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: chown $USER .ICE*
[02:23] <Matt|> ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?
[02:23] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: chgrp $USER .ICE*
[02:24] <Mojo_Jojo> operation not permitted
[02:24] <aka_daemon> ups..
[02:24] <Mojo_Jojo> hehe guess useing sudo would help haha
[02:24] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: oh, sorry....
[02:24] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: normally i mention it
[02:24] <cef_work> ogra: you can use chown to do both. 'chown $USER:$USER .ICE*'
[02:25] <ogra> cef: true....
[02:25] <drakonim> aka_daemon, i believe there is a flag you can feed copy to not overwrite
[02:25] <drakonim> copy /? and see if its there
[02:25] <aka_daemon> drakonim: overwrite what??
[02:25] <Mojo_Jojo> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you ogra :D
[02:25] <cef_work> just remember to use a :, not . (the old syntax).. as . can of course be part of a username
[02:25] <drakonim> aka_daemon, sorry, i dont have a posessed PC nearby to look it up ;-D
[02:25] <cef_work> Mojo_Jojo: I had that too.. nfi what caused it though
[02:25] <drakonim> aka_daemon, when you use cp to put things back to gether
[02:25] <aka_daemon> kk thanks.. I'll just have a try :)
[02:26] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: what for did you install k3b ?
[02:26] <Mojo_Jojo> nfi?
[02:26] <cef_work> no f... idea
[02:26] <drakonim> aka_daemon, either copy or move has something to put things back together I think
[02:26] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra so I can burn my anime :D
[02:26] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: VCD ?
[02:26] <Mojo_Jojo> no avi
[02:26] <Mojo_Jojo> and other files too for school
[02:26] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: nautilus does this too....
[02:27] <Mojo_Jojo> ...I didnt know haha
[02:27] <ogra> lol
[02:27] <cef_work> ripping/burning audio seems to have issues for me.. I get garbage in the audio
[02:28] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: in fact nautilus opens up a window if you drop in a empty cd, you just drop your files there and burn ;) nice to use
[02:28] <Mojo_Jojo> ...I wondered why I kept getting a pop up ahhahahaha now I know :D
[02:28] <cef_work> ogra: annoying if you drop in a rewritable though.. lacks a few things
[02:29] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: click on the "File" menu to find the burn option then ;)
[02:29] <Matt|> ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?
[02:29] <ogra> cef: there is missing al lot in nautilus cd burner....
[02:29] <drakonim> Matt|, thats a logical guess... im updating to hoary out of curiosity right now.. appx 10 minutes of downloading remains
[02:29] <ogra> cef_work: but it should automatically blank the RW before burning
[02:29] <cef_work> Matt|: could be, but that's just a guess from what you've said as I'm not using hoary myself
[02:30] <drakonim> Matt|, you should be able to reinstall famd anyway
[02:30] <cef_work> ogra: audio is an issue for me
[02:30] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, problem #2 :P when I play UT when I change the resolution to 1024x768 my screen shakes and the graphics look like shit. and when I log out my desktop has the same problem till I restart X
[02:30] <ogra> cef_work: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[02:30] <cef_work> ogra: I burn and copy a lot of audio disks, and naut doesn't do that well
[02:31] <ogra> cef_work: coaster is out, but has a long way to go.....(and no audio either)
[02:31] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone?
[02:31] <Matt|> draconian, ok lemme know
[02:32] <unperson> Anyone out there know of a good GUI tool for managing wireless connections (ESSID, etc.)?
[02:32] <Matt|> cef_work, i don't really know what fam does, but i noticed it has been replace today so just a guess
[02:32] <Matt|> unperson, lemme know if you find one
[02:32] <cef_work> ogra: seems ok,  but only creates audio disks.. copying could be an issue
[02:32] <drakonim> unperson, "computer:system configuration:networking
[02:32] <kandinski> hi all
[02:33] <ogra> cef_work: its less then a week old ;)
[02:33] <Matt|> cef_work, you can use grip and ograburn
[02:33] <cef_work> ogra: ahh well.. hopefully by hoary it'll be better
[02:33] <kandinski> anyone Spanish here?
[02:33] <ogra> cef_work: from the first line of code...
[02:33] <Matt|> kandinski, /cs list #ubuntu*
[02:33] <GnotUnix> how do I fix broken packages
[02:33] <GnotUnix> ?
[02:34] <GnotUnix> Ohh Matt| I thought you went to bed?
[02:34] <unperson> drakonim, Can't double check right now, but I was fairly sure that capability wasn't in there.  Are you sure it is?
[02:34] <kensai> kandinski, what for spanish?
[02:34] <kandinski> thanks matt; I just got that list, did not recognise anyone. Anyone coming to Matar in Diecember?
[02:34] <cef_work> Matt|: k3b seems to do all this in one package, but hey.. we'll get there
[02:34] <ogra> jndi: i come ;))
[02:34] <ogra> kandinski
[02:34] <drakonim> unperson, yes, if you highlight the wifi card and click properties ((just looked again myself))
[02:34] <kandinski> I meant anyone based in Spain, for RL meeting before Matar
[02:35] <Matt|> cef_work, *laughs*
[02:35] <cef_work> not that I can get any cd audio burns on this machine to not come out soundling like crap at the moment.. as though its not reading the disk properly
[02:35] <ogra> lol
[02:35] <unperson> drakonim, (Eh, can't double check insofar as it isn't in their right now, unless it is only there when a wireless card is in.  I can't have that and my normal nic in simultaneously)
[02:35] <Matt|> GnotUnix, yeah i remembered an email
[02:35] <kandinski> I might go there a couple of days; I will be working in Barcelona that week
[02:35] <drakonim> unperson, thats correct... it will only give you wireless options if its a wireless card.
[02:35] <cef_work> and since i don't have a sound card in this machine.. *sigh* I have to copy them to a machine with a sound card to check the rip
[02:36] <Matt|> cef_work, i hear rhythmbox will do it. bit weird idea tho
[02:36] <ogra> cef_work: is it the rip ?
[02:36] <unperson> drakonim, Ah, ok.  Does it list all the ESSIDs present?
[02:36] <ogra> cef_work: or the burned cd ?
[02:36] <drakonim> unperson, no, you type in the one you want to connect to
[02:36] <cef_work> ogra: well without a sound card it's hard to tell.. *grin*
[02:36] <unperson> drakonim, present == on networks currently being picked up
[02:36] <ogra> *g*
[02:37] <unperson> drakonim, Ah ok.  Better than nothing but still leaves something to be desired, so I will keep looking around.  Thanks, though.
[02:37] <ogra> cef_work: is it crashy all the time ? or just between the tracks ?
[02:37] <gen> quick question: what can i type in terminal to get quick network stats
[02:37] <cef_work> ogra: the machie is really a server class machine, so you'd think it'd be reliable.. *sigh*
[02:37] <drakonim> unperson, no prob.  I dont think what youre looking for exists quite yet
[02:37] <Matt|> draconian, where do i find these ESSIDs?
[02:37] <AndyFitz> soda,  my spellchecker here is a combined en-au / en-uk  and curiosity is correct in both regards
[02:37] <cef_work> ogra: every 4-5 secs there is garbage
[02:38] <ogra> gen: ifconfig
[02:38] <gen> thanks
[02:38] <ogra> cef_work: hmm, got dma on on the reading deviace ?
[02:38] <unperson> drakonim, Yeah.  There's a nice tool in KDE that's included with knoppix, but I don't recall the name.  Anyway, I guess if it's KDE specific it'd probably be a drag to run under Gnome.
[02:38] <cef_work> ogra: I doubt it's a lack of cpu... dual opteron 246's with 2 gig ram
[02:38] <drakonim> unperson, probly a true statement :-D
[02:39] <cef_work> ogra: not sure.. I'll check
[02:39] <ogra> cef_work: dma.....
[02:39] <drakonim> unperson, not_so_gui but kismet can sniffem out (with a supported nic)
[02:39] <ogra> cef_work: ahh....our conversation has a little lag :)
[02:40] <drakonim> Matt|, youd better get my attention by using my name lol...  youre wifi access point broadcasts your essid
[02:40] <Matt|> drakonim, gosh sorry
[02:40] <Matt|> similar nicks
[02:40] <bigt> question: if i'm going to install an application for ubuntu do i use linux gtk linux motif linux amd64 or ppc?  I'm on a x86 box
[02:40] <cef_work> ogra: that'd be it.. no dma set up.. grr.. you'd think that a sata controller would have set up dma automatically
[02:40] <Matt|> drakonim, i thought that you said that in the networks-admin dialogue you could see all broadcasting networks in the area, but I see now that I misunderstood
[02:41] <drakonim> Matt|, I assumed he was looking for a way to specify his.
[02:41] <Matt|> drakonim, nah i think he wants one which finds em all ;p
[02:41] <ogra> cef_work: nope...compatibility...
[02:41] <drakonim> Matt|, yeah.. thats a job for kismet :)
[02:41] <unperson> drakonim, And you were right.  That was the minimum requirement.
[02:41] <Matt|> cef_work, do you think that I should wait on the slow gnome / hoary thing, or report a bug, or mail the list or what?
[02:41] <bigt> ogra: thanks earlier for trying to help me out with my booting problem
[02:41] <drakonim> unperson, ah, well glad to have helped in some fashion then :-D
[02:42] <ogra> bigt: what do you want to instal
[02:42] <hypa7ia> bigt: linux gtk, prolly
[02:42] <Matt|> drakonim, is it console only?
[02:42] <bigt> wanting to install azureus
[02:42] <Matt|> drakonim, kde app? *winces*
[02:42] <drakonim> Matt|, kismet has a few UI's but its more for sniffing than just finding essid's
[02:42] <unperson> Matt|:  Have you tried wifiradar?  I tried to get it working, but couldn't.  Then again I didn't try hard.  :-)
[02:42] <bigt> one thing i need to figure out also is why it doesn't show my other harddrives :(
[02:42] <ogra> bigt: what is azureus ?
[02:42] <bigt> i have two other harddrives that don't show up in the filesystem listing
[02:43] <bigt> torrent software
[02:43] <Matt|> unperson, i will look it up
[02:43] <encryptio> bigt, check my message
[02:43] <bigt> where at on here or on the linux box?
[02:43] <ogra> bigt: ahh, take the linux-gtk one....like hypa7ia said
[02:43] <drakonim> unperson, kwifimanager is probly the thing you had working before
[02:44] <bigt> ok thanks all
[02:44] <unperson> drakonim, YES!  That's it.
[02:44] <cef_work> ogra: grr.. machine won't allow me to set DMA using hdparm.. argh!
[02:44] <ogra> cef_work: sudo ?
[02:44] <unperson> drakonim, So yeah, sound like a KDE QT app, darn.
[02:44] <drakonim> unperson, indeed it is
[02:44] <gen> This room has helped me so much, just wanted to thank you guys.
[02:44] <cef_work> ogra: using the hdparm init stuff.. so used sudo
[02:45] <ogra> cef_work: very bad....
[02:45] <cef_work> ogra: yeah.. time to hit the bios and see if there is an override in there
[02:45] <unperson> For those interested, Wifi Radar:
[02:45] <unperson> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=332
[02:45] <ogra> cef_work:  yup
[02:45] <Matt|> unperson, is not in apt
[02:45] <unperson> Matt|  True, but it's just a python script anyway, I think.
[02:46] <unperson> Matt|, So I wouldn't sweat it too much.  The other annoyance is you have to have it setup to run with root privlidges.  And like I said, I couldn't get it working.  But I thought it might interest you.
[02:47] <drakonim> unperson, if its python, then theres a change it py-gtk and therefore a gui
[02:47] <drakonim> *chance
[02:47] <ogra> unperson: i saw a thread on wifi radar on one of the mailing lists
[02:47] <cef_work> ogra: just forced it in the bios to UDMA5 (which the drive supports), so now we shall see
[02:47] <Matt|> ok real bed now
[02:47] <ogra> cef_work: crossing my fingers
[02:47] <Matt|> nite
[02:47] <ogra> good idea
[02:48] <Matt|> ogra, 3 am?
[02:48] <unperson> drakonim, Yes, it's supposed to have a GTK+ GUI.
[02:48] <Matt|> crazy guy
[02:48] <ogra> yep
[02:48] <ogra> have to get up at 8
[02:48] <Matt|> me too :(
[02:48] <unperson> ogra:  Ok, I'll see if I can't find it.  Thanks.
[02:48] <ogra> night all
[02:52] <drakonim> OK lets see what hoary has to offer... rebooting.  be back in a momento!
[02:55] <hypa7ia> lol unperson
[02:56] <MoonSweep> hello
[02:56] <MoonSweep> (again)
[02:56] <unperson> hi, MoonSweep
[02:57] <MoonSweep> I have a really weird problem : i can't get grub booting windows, since I installed Ubuntu
[02:59] <MoonSweep> it just doesn't start, i reinstalled from a master, and from the install CD : nothing to do, grub just prints "booting windows, makeactive, chainloader +1"... and that's it. Nothing happens.
[02:59] <MoonSweep> I told you it was weird :)
[02:59] <MoonSweep> before you ask... Windows booted normally, before I installed Ubuntu (Debian Sarge/sid)
[03:00] <MoonSweep> any idea or clue ?
[03:00] <drakonim> lmao the spelling of colour has changed to color!!!
[03:00] <unperson> Not I.
[03:00] <drakonim> americanised the gnome packages eh?
[03:00] <bagpuss> aha
[03:00] <bagpuss> I foiund a fix for the hal insert on cdrom fuckup
[03:00] <LifesizeKenDoll> I have to tell everyone, I love Ubuntu
[03:01] <eclipse> does anyone in here know how to create linux cursors?
[03:01] <drakonim> gnome does take quite a bit longer to start... looks like it doesnt even try until after the statrup sound is complete
[03:01] <drakonim> sounds like a missing case of the illusive & !
[03:01] <eclipse> does anyone in here know how to create linux cursors?
[03:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> don't flood, man
[03:02] <eclipse> no one?
[03:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> sorry, try Google
[03:02] <eclipse> ok
[03:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> maybe?
[03:02] <eclipse> u know how to how to do it?
[03:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> like look up `Linux XFree86 Cursors` or something to that regard
[03:03] <LifesizeKenDoll> no, I don't
[03:03] <eclipse> alright
[03:03] <drakonim> turning off "sound on login" in gdm.conf and restarting gdm...
[03:03] <MoonSweep> brb
[03:03] <bap> how changer the user and pass cant use cups on localhost:port
[03:03] <unperson> LifesizeKenDoll, Dittos on the ubuntu love.  This distro is the shizzle.  :-)
[03:04] <bap> i have this problem..
[03:04] <bap> cups is not asept the user and the pass
[03:04] <bap> from login in localhost:port
[03:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> unperson, this is so great, It's like Windows minus suck
[03:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> that's one bad thing with cups
[03:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> bap
[03:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> here's what you do
[03:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> sudo passwd
[03:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> type in a pass
[03:05] <unperson> LifesizeKenDoll, Heh, indeed.  Or my old debian install minus redundant applications and plus decent default config.
[03:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> do cups stuff, log in as root:pass
[03:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> then get rid of the root password in /etc/passwd
[03:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> turn it back to '*'
[03:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> whoops, /etc/shadow
[03:06] <bap> aplic this password
[03:07] <bap> bot.. no asept..
[03:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> bap, are you ok?
[03:08] <unperson> bap, Out of curiousity, are you from south america?
[03:08] <bap> ajajaa
[03:08] <bap> yes..
[03:08] <bap> :D
[03:09] <bap> where are you from ?
[03:09] <unperson> bap, Heh, I have some columbian friends, and reading your comments I could hear the accent in my head (S. American, not columbian specifically).
[03:09] <unperson> bap, I'm from the USA.
[03:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> I'm from Illinois, US
[03:10] <bap> i have a frint this country.. LifesizeKenDoll
[03:10] <bap> friend..
[03:11] <LifesizeKenDoll> ok
[03:12] <MoonSweep> back
[03:12] <MoonSweep> so, does anyone have a similar problem booting windows with grub ?
[03:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> what's your prob?
[03:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> bap, you could configure cups with Computer->System Configuration->Printing or `gnome-cups-manager`
[03:13] <MoonSweep> lemme paste.... :)
[03:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> alright, man
[03:14] <MoonSweep> (02:57:42) MoonSweep: I have a really weird problem : i can't get grub booting windows, since I installed Ubuntu
[03:14] <MoonSweep> (02:59:02) MoonSweep: it just doesn't start, i reinstalled from a master, and from the install CD : nothing to do, grub just prints "booting windows, makeactive, chainloader +1"... and that's it. Nothing happens.
[03:14] <MoonSweep> (02:59:08) MoonSweep: I told you it was weird :)
[03:14] <MoonSweep> (02:59:48) MoonSweep: before you ask... Windows booted normally, before I installed Ubuntu (Debian Sarge/sid)
[03:14] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: try lilo?
[03:14] <MoonSweep> mmmh
[03:15] <MoonSweep> why didn't I had this idea sooner ? :)
[03:15] <bagpuss> I don'ty trust grub...not bec ause there's anything *wrong* with grub, but I've spent *years* getting good at making lilo do what I want it to
[03:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> I trust grub
[03:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> I know how to deal with it
[03:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> I was a Gentoo Junkie
[03:15] <MoonSweep> i'm gonna try it... but i really prefer grub, and maybe i have spotten a bug or something
[03:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> ok, MoonSweep
[03:15] <bagpuss> as long as lilo does what I want/need (and it's never not done that yet) I'll stick with it
[03:16] <hypa7ia> LifesizeKenDoll: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[03:16] <LifesizeKenDoll> open up /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:16] <unperson> Later all.
[03:16] <MoonSweep> done
[03:16] <LifesizeKenDoll> ok
[03:16] <LifesizeKenDoll> copy-paste the windows part
[03:16] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, I take Gentoo humor in kind spirits
[03:17] <bagpuss> LifesizeKenDoll: excellent./..as long as I can stay in the last century with lilo :)
[03:17] <Sep`> i want to upgrade to hoary, i changed all my instances of 'warty' to 'hoary' and did a apt-get update
[03:17] <Sep`> do i do a apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade now ?
[03:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> bagpuss, I say we have at least 2 centuries left in us
[03:17] <Lowry> Is there an ubuntu newsgroup?
[03:17] <MoonSweep> title           Microsoft Windows 2000
[03:17] <MoonSweep> root            (hd0,0)
[03:17] <MoonSweep> makeactive
[03:17] <MoonSweep> chainloader     +1
[03:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> Sep`, both
[03:17] <Sep`> which one first ?
[03:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> Sep`, dist-upgrade
[03:17] <Sep`> dist-upgrade first right ?
[03:17] <Sep`> cool
[03:17] <Sep`> just like in debian huh ?
[03:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> yep
[03:18] <Lathiat> yep
[03:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, chainloader      (hd0,0)+1
[03:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, rootnoverify instead of root
[03:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, put makeactive on the end
[03:18] <MoonSweep> after chainloader ?
[03:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, yep
[03:19] <MoonSweep> it's the first time i see that... but i trust you ;)
[03:19] <MoonSweep> is that all ?
[03:19] <MoonSweep> may I reboot and try ?
[03:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, knock yourself out
[03:20] <MoonSweep> what ?
[03:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, I admin about 6 boxes
[03:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, hope I'm right
[03:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, far as I can tell it seems ok
[03:20] <MoonSweep> I admin 3 debian for years ;)
[03:20] <MoonSweep> ok I try
[03:20] <MoonSweep> brb
[03:21] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, if all else fails, pop in a Win2000 CD->Recovery Console->fixmbr
[03:21] <bagpuss> or install lilo
[03:21] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea
[03:21] <LifesizeKenDoll> lilo'd be a safe bet
[03:21] <bagpuss> at least I grok lilo :)
[03:21] <MoonSweep> ok... by the way : i tried the automatic repair of the install CD, it didn't solve the problem... but maybe it doesn't launch this tool
[03:21] <MoonSweep> brb ;)
[03:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> I like grub cause I don't have to run `lilo` every time I change anything :-P
[03:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> so where you all live?
[03:22] <bagpuss> LifesizeKenDoll: *shrug*.    I didn't realise it was #2265 for most of the time though
[03:26] <bagpuss> it's fixed now
[03:27] <bagpuss> I still think it's a sucky design
[03:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> what's 2265?
[03:27] <bagpuss> LifesizeKenDoll: it's the bvuzilla bug
[03:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> ok
[03:27] <bagpuss> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2265
[03:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> click-tastic
[03:28] <huttan> what can be wrong when you play a movie and no screen shows up, only soundd ?
[03:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> bagpuss, hrm, I didn't have the problem - must've missed it
[03:29] <hypa7ia> huttan: missing codecs
[03:29] <bagpuss> LifesizeKenDoll: someone earlier was helping me track it down...didn't fixc it, but gave me enough informatioin that I was able to find the right bug...which had the solutuion
[03:29] <bagpuss> damn, I wish I could type
[03:29] <LifesizeKenDoll> huttan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:30] <brad> exit
[03:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> bagpuss, typing is the new literacy, especially because I R T3h 1337><0r!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!111eleven!
[03:31] <LifesizeKenDoll> anyone know a good command to get the second line of a file?
[03:32] <Desolate> hey there
[03:32] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey
[03:32] <Desolate> does anyone know how long the CDs take to arrive once you've ordered them?
[03:33] <GnotUnix> Does anybody know the kernel module for the Via KT800 Pro chipset?
[03:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> I dunno, I ordered mine then got tired and found a blank after a few days
[03:36] <GnotUnix> The CDs should be shipping in a week or two
[03:36] <GnotUnix> but who knows
[03:37] <Desolate> so basically I'd be better off finding a blank :p
[03:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea
[03:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's worth it, man
[03:37] <GnotUnix> yes
[03:37] <GnotUnix> it's only a blank
[03:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> I stole one from my roommate
[03:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> so everyone won in that case
[03:37] <GnotUnix> good job
[03:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> he's a nerd, it doesn't matter
[03:37] <GnotUnix> ;)
[03:37] <GnotUnix> nerds aren't people
[03:38] <Zugwrack> anyone running a dual processor PPC machine?
[03:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> and I don't mean a good nerd that is smart but still has a social life
[03:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> I mean the type that only leaves the room to play D&D with other nerds, other than that he plays games on his computer for hours on end
[03:39] <GnotUnix> People actually play DnD IRL???
[03:39] <Desolate> mmh, well it's not only finding a blank cd, it's also downloading the iso :p
[03:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea, he's a major lame-o
[03:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> the only other way to get him out is to have a girl over
[03:39] <Desolate> ah well, guess it'll be an overnighter
[03:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> too bad
[03:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> I like having a T3
[03:39] <GnotUnix> he is afraid of girls?
[03:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> no, just indifferent
[03:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> he could be gay, I don't really know
[03:40] <Desolate> I wish I had a 100mbit line :(
[03:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> he hasn't expressed interest
[03:40] <Desolate> one day I'll move to sweden
[03:40] <GnotUnix> I wish I had OC48
[03:40] <GnotUnix> 5Mb/s isn't enough
[03:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> I get 600kb/s consistently
[03:41] <GnotUnix> thats about what I get
[03:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's part of my school's package
[03:41] <hypa7ia> i got 8mb/s between u of t and york u a few weeks ago
[03:41] <hypa7ia> yay debian mirror :-)
[03:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> Megabit or Megabyte?
[03:41] <GnotUnix> it still would take me almost 3 hours to get the Fedora Core 3 DVD
[03:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> I used to use Fedora
[03:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> I don't like yum
[03:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> pissed me off to the extreme
[03:42] <GnotUnix> niether did I
[03:42] <GnotUnix> but I can't get DMA working on this
[03:42] <GnotUnix> it is peeving me
[03:42] <ben> hi
[03:42] <ben> i can't get my printer to work at all
[03:42] <ben> it's on a windows xp machine
[03:42] <ben> on a wireless network
[03:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, *tear*
[03:42] <GnotUnix> I tried yoper and that is horrible
[03:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, SMB share?
[03:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, I was gonna try Yoper
[03:43] <GnotUnix> Mepis too
[03:43] <GnotUnix> don't waste your time
[03:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> I never cared for Mepis
[03:43] <ben> i was trying to use cups because that's what someone said on the forums
[03:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's not a philosophical thing
[03:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> I just don't like the name
[03:43] <GnotUnix> lol
[03:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, if it's connected to a windows machine, it's an SMB share
[03:43] <Lathiat> ben: yep thats what you should be using
[03:43] <Lathiat> ben: Tried using the printer setup tool?
[03:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, Computer->System Configuration->Printers
[03:43] <ben> yeah, but i'm not entirely sure what info i should be entering
[03:44] <ben> what do i put for the URI?
[03:44] <Lathiat> smb://machinename/prinername iirc
[03:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> that's right
[03:44] <ben> ok
[03:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> Network Printer->Windows Printer
[03:44] <BigNastyKid909> how bout' an I.P. printer??
[03:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> it gives you 4 boxes then
[03:45] <ben> yeah if you select windows printer from the thingy, it gives u a gazillion boxes
[03:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> specifically 4
[03:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> type in host (IP)
[03:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> printer name
[03:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> then user/pass
[03:45] <BigNastyKid909> oh ok
[03:46] <ben> what's the user pass?
[03:46] <ben> the user pass of an admin on the xp machine?
[03:46] <BigNastyKid909> LifesizeKenDoll: would that just be configured through cups if its an I.P. printer?
[03:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, yes
[03:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, what do you mean by I.P.?
[03:46] <GnotUnix> where do I find chipset driver modules?
[03:46] <nevyn_> shouldn't need to be admin...
[03:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, Google!
[03:47] <MoonSweep> hi again
[03:47] <BigNastyKid909> LifesizeKenDoll: if the printer is using I.P. not a share
[03:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, depends on the protocol, could be LPD or something like that
[03:47] <BigNastyKid909> LifesizeKenDoll: i try to install a network printer at work using the I.P. adress
[03:48] <MoonSweep> LifesizeKenDoll: nothing helps, windows doesn't want to start... and fixmbr destroyed grub, I had to boot from a CD and reinstall it....
[03:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, it really depends on the protocol you go with
[03:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, but fixmbr did work, yes?
[03:48] <MoonSweep> I try lilo
[03:48] <GnotUnix> LifesizeKenDoll I tried googling "linux kt800 module" and have found nothing
[03:48] <MoonSweep> no !!! Windows still doesn't boot
[03:48] <ben> omg
[03:48] <ben> omg
[03:48] <ben> omg
[03:48] <Eno-Master> Hello, everyone.  Since printers seem to be the topic, then how about this problem.  I can print a test page, beautifully, however, I can't print anything from OpenOffice.
[03:48] <ben> omg
[03:48] <ben> it worked!
[03:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, of course
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Eno-Master, Print Settings
[03:49] <ben> thanks a bundle ;)
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Eno-Master, tell me what it says
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben, alright man, I admin things for a hobby
[03:49] <BigNastyKid909> LifesizeKenDoll: so do i just use the Unix LPD??
[03:49] <Eno-Master> In Ubuntu or OO??
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> OO
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, No, you can use whatever protocol you set it up to be
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, if you run Linux servers, that's CUPS
[03:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, Windows servers -> SMB
[03:50] <BigNastyKid909> ahhhh
[03:50] <BigNastyKid909> ok
[03:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, although you can share a CUPS as an SMB if you want
[03:50] <BigNastyKid909> its a windows server
[03:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> that's SMB then
[03:50] <BigNastyKid909> ok..so just type in I.P. in host?
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> you using Ubuntu?
[03:51] <BigNastyKid909> ya
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea, just choose Network->Windows Share
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> then the IP into host
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> and soforth
[03:51] <Lowry> Has anyone got http://www.maconlinux.com/ working?
[03:51] <BigNastyKid909> oh coo
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry, you on PPC?
[03:52] <Eno-Master> CUPS:DeskJet-722C as default printer, which is what I have.
[03:52] <Lowry> Would maconlinux.com support wireless cards?
[03:52] <Lowry> Yes G3 ppc
[03:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry, I'm not sure, I would assume it would be treated just as another eth device
[03:53] <BigNastyKid909> LifesizeKenDoll: for a shared printer do i still need to put in iirc at the end??
[03:53] <jdub> Lowry: no, MOL has virtual devices based the host's hardware support
[03:53] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, no, iirc := if I recall correctly
[03:53] <MoonSweep> i try lilo
[03:53] <MoonSweep> brb
[03:53] <Lowry> so mol see what ubuntu can use
[03:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> I'm cold :'(
[03:55] <Eno-Master> It is snowing here.
[03:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> Eno-Master, it'll snow here on Thursday
[03:57] <Eno-Master> LSKD it has been said that we will get a lot this winter.
[03:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> Eno-Master, I thought global warming was supposed to make it warmer
[03:58] <Eno-Master> Sounds good to me, makes better wine!!
[03:59] <Lowry> Trying to add a printer
[03:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> this is true
[03:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> Eno-Master, where you live?
[03:59] <Lowry> I selected Laserwriter II g
[04:00] <BigNastyKid909> LifsizeKenDoll: if i put smb://ip adress under URI should do it right?
[04:00] <Lowry> "enter a command line appropriate for this device"?
[04:00] <LifesizeKenDoll> using `gnome-cups-manager`?
[04:00] <Lowry> Yes
[04:00] <BigNastyKid909> yah in ubuntu
[04:00] <Eno-Master> Any ideas about getting OO to print??
[04:00] <MoonSweep> hi (again)
[04:01] <MoonSweep> lilo doesn't start WIndows either... it's too weird
[04:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, just choose a Windows Share
[04:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, then it'll give you 4 text inputs
[04:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, Windows makes Baby Jesus cry
[04:01] <MoonSweep> it makes me cry, too
[04:02] <BigNastyKid909> heh LOL
[04:02] <BigNastyKid909> windows=crap
[04:02] <Lowry> I am adding a printer with printer administration
[04:02] <billytwowilly> hmm. if I fuser -k /media/cdrom0 I get a message telling me to use umount /media/cdrom0. When I do that it tells me the device or resource is busy..
[04:02] <billytwowilly> how do I fix this?
[04:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> what are you trying to accomplish with fuser?
[04:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, Windows is bad in many respects, but it does have its high points
[04:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, like, um.... I'll think of one...
[04:05] <BigNastyKid909> LOL yah i know..i got tired of it..that's y i moved to linux
[04:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, I did cause my motherboard is broken and _cannot_ run Windows
[04:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, everything's 10x slower than it should be on Windows, like selecting an icon on the desktop - I could see the pixels redrawing
[04:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, Linux is fine, though
[04:07] <robertj> any advice on a gtk frontend for disk copying?
[04:07] <Lowry> Any news on linux ppc binary 3d drivers?
[04:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj, what do you mean, like copying straight files or dd?
[04:08] <robertj> dd
[04:08] <skullbocks> hi
[04:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> Antitrust refernce
[04:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> reference*
[04:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry, Linux/PPC is too small for Video Card companies to care about
[04:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> skullbocks, couldn't you have come up with an original name?
[04:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> skullbocks, not to badger you or anything
[04:09] <Lowry> so 2d only for ppc?
[04:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, :-)?
[04:10] <MoonSweep> yes ?
[04:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry, it's a sad time we live in - I'm actually not sure
[04:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, can you boot?
[04:10] <MoonSweep> no, windows just doesn't boot
[04:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, too bad
[04:10] <MoonSweep> yes :-/
[04:12] <skullbocks> LifesizeKenDoll, not everybody knows antitrust
[04:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> skullbocks, but I do :'(
[04:12] <MoonSweep> skullbocks: the movie ?
[04:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> cool movie
[04:12] <MoonSweep> I liked it, too
[04:12] <LifesizeKenDoll> ah, Gary Winston, what will you think of next?
[04:14] <robertj> Lifesizekendoll: so no suggestions?
[04:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj, sorry, man I dunno
[04:14] <GnotUnix> how can I search for a file with specific name accross the root of my drive?
[04:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj, I'd suggest qtparted, but that's qt
[04:15] <MoonSweep> GnotUnix: find / -iname "name"
[04:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> locate 'file'
[04:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea, or that
[04:15] <GnotUnix> thnx
[04:15] <MoonSweep> locate will be quicker, but its database is updated daily, so it can't locate new files
[04:16] <MoonSweep> find does
[04:16] <MoonSweep> by the way
[04:16] <Lowry> How do i get the uri of my network laserprinter?
[04:17] <MoonSweep> what if i want to create a channel "ubuntu-fr" ? is there something special to do or i just create the channel ?
[04:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry, what protocol, e.g. CUPS, SMB, LPD?
[04:17] <Lowry> CUPS?
[04:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, I think just join it and you'll be op
[04:17] <Lowry> via ethernet
[04:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, you french?
[04:17] <MoonSweep> yes
[04:17] <MoonSweep> i know how to create a channel, thx :)
[04:17] <gen> damnit, what is sources.list in again
[04:17] <Lowry> Apple laser writer
[04:17] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: just /join it.  Up to you if you want to register it with chanserv or not
[04:18] <MoonSweep> my question was, is there something to do to make it official ? have it listed on ubuntu's website, etc etc
[04:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry, I forget, sorry :-[
[04:18] <skullbocks> does someone know to connect to a wireless network using eap-peap ?
[04:18] <MoonSweep> and... do I have to stay there 24/24 ? :)
[04:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, register it with Chanserv, then no
[04:18] <gen> Where is sources.list
[04:18] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: be popular/useful probably.  See chanserv in terms of having it there even when you're not
[04:19] <bagpuss> gen: /etc/apt
[04:19] <Lowry> I was looking in network tools - etho
[04:19] <gen> thank you bag
[04:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> I made a script that sets up Ubuntu stuff, e.g. DVD support, Codecs, Java, Video Card
[04:20] <GnotUnix> LifesizeKenDoll I have modprobed every via related module and I still can't enable DMA
[04:20] <MoonSweep> I think maybe that a "core team" of french ops should be found, before opening a channel, no ?
[04:20] <GnotUnix> I have a SATA hdd btw
[04:20] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, *tear* I dunno
[04:21] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: I suspect you need to open the channel first. Op the french people who seem clueful
[04:21] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, maybe
[04:21] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: or since this is freenode, don't have actual ops.  Many channels here don't
[04:21] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, and you also want to Op everyone who's like "OH GIMME OPS OH OH OH"
[04:21] <GnotUnix> Does anybody know how to enable DMA on a SATA drive with a Via controller??????
[04:21] <MoonSweep> but how can people know the channel, if it's not listed on ubuntu's website ?
[04:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, `disks-admin`?
[04:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, you could contact the website if you so pleased
[04:22] <bagpuss> GnotUnix: I think DMA is implicit in SATA
[04:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, very intuitive name
[04:22] <MoonSweep> i'll see
[04:22] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, thanks :)
[04:23] <p00p> quick question...i am trying to add a printer that is shared from a windows 2000 machine via smb, and i don't quite understand the syntax... i am a little lost for what to put for host and printer
[04:23] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, I'm sure it represents your character swimmingly
[04:23] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, thanks for being kind
[04:23] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, host = ip, printer = name of printer
[04:23] <LifesizeKenDoll> why is everyone confused about Printers?
[04:23] <GnotUnix> but it isn't when I try to burn CDs my computer crawls
[04:23] <bagpuss> cause they are cvonfusing
[04:23] <GnotUnix> hdparm shows it as disabled
[04:23] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, just the ip address, and just the printer share name?
[04:24] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, yep, that and the user:pass as well
[04:24] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, so, <IP_ADDRESS>, and "deskjet"
[04:24] <MoonSweep> is there any support for bootsplash on ubuntu ?
[04:24] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, exactly
[04:24] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, thanks :)
[04:24] <GnotUnix> usplash
[04:24] <bagpuss> GnotUnix: I have a via sata controller and hdparm doesn't show anything one way opr the other
[04:24] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, really?
[04:24] <bagpuss> I get bloody good transfers though
[04:24] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, delicious
[04:25] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnotUnix, not getting anything for usplash
[04:25] <GnotUnix> somebody said it had usplash
[04:25] <GnotUnix> I dunno
[04:25] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, i'm getting Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[04:25] <GnotUnix> maybe it just supports it
[04:26] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:26] <MoonSweep> what's usplash ?
[04:26] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, yes, and printer shows up from a windows box
[04:27] <GnotUnix> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUsplash
[04:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, you got the printer name and user:pass right?
[04:27] <p00p> yes
[04:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, well, I really don't know, then
[04:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, oh, check that it's shared and such
[04:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, I bet it's server-side
[04:27] <p00p> negative
[04:27] <p00p> definitely not
[04:27] <p00p> it seems the  client here loses my information sometimes
[04:27] <p00p> if i close out
[04:28] <p00p> and open it again
[04:28] <p00p> it has different values filled in
[04:28] <p00p> like stuff i have previously entered
[04:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, hit apply?
[04:28] <p00p> i don't have an apply button..
[04:28] <p00p> test page and close
[04:29] <p00p> it changes deskjet to //kathy/deskjet
[04:30] <p00p> kathy is the server's name, but i don't know if it's filling it in via smb or just because i happened to try that once (i did)
[04:30] <p00p> and it also drops the admin username out too
[04:30] <p00p> well not admin
[04:30] <p00p> just the printer username
[04:30] <Temet_FC2> hi
[04:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, hrm
[04:30] <Temet_FC2> can someone give me a little hand?
[04:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, sure
[04:30] <Temet_FC2> thanx LifesizeKenDoll
[04:30] <Temet_FC2> i've juste installed ubuntu
[04:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, try sudo gnome-cups-manager
[04:31] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, I'm listening
[04:31] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, ok
[04:31] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, that's what i've been using
[04:31] <Temet_FC2> hand the "sudo" command ask me for a password i don't know LifesizeKenDoll
[04:31] <Temet_FC2> o_O''
[04:31] <Temet_FC2> and*
[04:31] <p00p> Temet_FC2, it's asking for your user password
[04:31] <p00p> not the root password
[04:31] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, it's your pass
[04:31] <Temet_FC2> but i tried...
[04:31] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, the one you log in with
[04:32] <Temet_FC2> beuh ?
[04:32] <Temet_FC2> oki, i'll try again
[04:32] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, reset your password with `passwd`
[04:32] <Temet_FC2> yeah but i can't run passmd LifesizeKenDoll , because I can't use sudo! ;)
[04:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, it's not a sudo thing
[04:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, just passwd, w/o sudo
[04:33] <Temet_FC2> I'm still under me Fedora, I'm going to boot on ubuntu LifesizeKenDoll
[04:33] <nevyn> LifesizeKenDoll: that requires your existing password
[04:33] <Temet_FC2> thanks a lot from France LifesizeKenDoll  ;)
[04:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> nevyn, I knwo
[04:33] <Mojo_Jojo> Hey, I was wondering how safe it is to install the new nvidia drivers since I installed using synaptic when I installed ubuntu
[04:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet_FC2, ok
[04:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, what version?
[04:34] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, since you told me to use gnome-cups-manager, is there another printer installer i could try?
[04:34] <Mojo_Jojo> of the drivers I used?
[04:34] <ninkendo> p00p: try foomatic-gui
[04:34] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, or http://localhost:631
[04:34] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, yea, just the normal 6111, right?
[04:35] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah the 6111 driver are installed
[04:35] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, wow, is this secured?
[04:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, yes
[04:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, only from localhost, gotta log in
[04:35] <p00p> alrighty
[04:35] <p00p> normal user?
[04:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, uh, not sure
[04:35] <p00p> nope not working :/
[04:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> p00p, I've always logged in as root
[04:36] <Mojo_Jojo> I did that I followed this http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto but I want to install the  1.0-6629 drivers
[04:36] <p00p> LifesizeKenDoll, hehe well there is no root password set
[04:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> ok, sudo passwd
[04:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> do the cups stuff
[04:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> then sudo nano /etc/shadow
[04:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> and reset the root passwd
[04:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, oh, I'd let it be until it's part of apt
[04:37] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, how long does that usually take? and why wait?
[04:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, but it you really want to, use the .run or .bin whatever it is
[04:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, it might not be bug-free yet - might not work right
[04:37] <Mojo_Jojo> ahh ok well I can wait...thanks :)
[04:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, be happy that at least they release drivers. go nVidia!
[04:38] <Mojo_Jojo> just wondeirng if this imporves performance if I add this to my xf86config  Option "RenderAccel" "1"
[04:38] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah nvidia rocks too bad ati makes bad drivers
[04:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, it should
[04:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, that might be an X.org thing - I could be wrong
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo> ok :) i'l try it then :D
[04:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo, try it out
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo> oh...i'll try anyways :D
[04:39] <hypa7ia> BOO!  skype is Qt :-(
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo> this is correct
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo> Section "Device"
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo>         Driver          "nvidia"
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo>          Option "RenderAccel" "1"
[04:39] <Mojo_Jojo>         BusID           "PCI:3:0:0"
[04:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> yep
[04:40] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[04:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> Qt => :'(
[04:40] <BigNastyKid909> LifesizeKenDoll: u know how to configure giFToxic??
[04:40] <hypa7ia> i might just run the version that has qt compiled in
[04:41] <BigNastyKid909> trying to run it..but saying its not set up
[04:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, sorry, I tried a few months ago - didn't get it to work
[04:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> BigNastyKid909, so I dunno
[04:41] <p00p> ninkendo, how do i format an smb printer as a uri for foomatic-gui?
[04:41] <BigNastyKid909> oh ok
[04:41] <BigNastyKid909> thnx though
[04:41] <PlaztkEyes> wassamatter, hypa7ia?
[04:42] <hypa7ia> PlaztkEyes: Skype requires Qt.  i am teh sad.
[04:42] <PlaztkEyes> i feel for you
[04:42] <MoonSweep> what's wrong about qt ?
[04:43] <PlaztkEyes> hey now...no one died or anything...
[04:43] <hypa7ia> well, i wanted to run a gnome-only system
[04:43] <hypa7ia> fair enough :-/
[04:43] <ninkendo> p00p: smb://hostname/path/to/printer
[04:43] <MoonSweep> why don't use gnomemeeting instead of skype ?
[04:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, I don't like the licensing
[04:43] <PlaztkEyes> and i want my ati card to work...but alas and alack, it ain't happenin...
[04:43] <hypa7ia> lol turns out i already have qt installed
[04:43] <PlaztkEyes> rofl
[04:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> ah, it's a _girl_
[04:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> lol
[04:44] <PlaztkEyes> hypocrite!
[04:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> rofl kartoffle
[04:44] <p00p> ninkendo, is it normal for my printer to not exist after i am done adding it?
[04:44] <hypa7ia> MoonSweep: i want to use skype to call phones tho
[04:44] <hypa7ia> lol at LifesizeKenDoll
[04:45] <ninkendo> p00p: no...
[04:45] <p00p> heheh
[04:45] <ninkendo> try surfing for it in nautilus
[04:45] <p00p> yeah heh it doesn't show up in nautilus
[04:45] <attitude> I have a question about getting php and ssl working on ubuntu as a server
[04:45] <p00p> nautilus sees 1 share on that box
[04:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, what made you abandon your roots of shopping and join the dark side?
[04:45] <attitude> I can not seem to get it to work
[04:45] <ninkendo> is it shared on a windows machine?
[04:45] <MoonSweep> well, having some QT apps isn't that bad... Gnome really lacks of a good CD writing app... What do you guys use to burn audio CD or bin/cue images ?
[04:45] <attitude> any have any ideas
[04:45] <PlaztkEyes> hypa7ia:  i appreciate the help earlier, and i've been thorugh everything on the page you forwarded to me about the ati driver, but i'm still getting the "couldn't find package" error.
[04:45] <p00p> ninkendo, yes... it shows up on another windows machine
[04:46] <hypa7ia> PlaztkEyes: where are you getting the error?
[04:46] <PlaztkEyes> Moonsweep:  I use abcde
[04:46] <hypa7ia> LifesizeKenDoll: my roots of shopping?  :-p
[04:46] <MoonSweep> PlaztkEyes: never heard of that
[04:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, don't burn audio CD's, `cdrecord` for burning
[04:46] <PlaztkEyes> when i try to apt-get install fglrx-driver
[04:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, girls like to shop - don't worry, I like to shop too
[04:46] <ninkendo> p00p: check the windows machine, figure out what the printer share is named
[04:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> despite knowing which colors match and such
[04:47] <PlaztkEyes> Moonsweep:  freshmeat.net, baby.
[04:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, how can you not like shopping, it's fun
[04:47] <p00p> ninkendo, shared as "deskjet" just as i've been trying :-/
[04:47] <hypa7ia> ugh.  stores.  money.  it's all so wrong.
[04:48] <PlaztkEyes> now THAT'S funny.
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, you're against money?
[04:48] <p00p> ninkendo, maybe my syntax is incorrect.... smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/deskjet -- correct?
[04:48] <hypa7ia> the only place i like to shop: www.canadacomputers.com
[04:48] <hypa7ia> LifesizeKenDoll: in many levels, yes
[04:48] <hypa7ia> err on
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, lol, Canada
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, I
[04:48] <ninkendo> p00p: no, replace <IP_ADDRESS> with the name of the windows machine
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, I'm just messing with you, I'm Canadian
[04:48] <ninkendo> the smb (or netbios, or whatever) name
[04:48] <p00p> ninkendo, will it be able to resolve it?
[04:48] <ninkendo> yes
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, I'm also very anti-capitalist and such
[04:48] <p00p> d'oh!
[04:49] <hypa7ia> lol LifesizeKenDoll.  where from?
[04:49] <PlaztkEyes> hypa7ia:  looks like a Fry's.  We have Fry's in California.  It's Mecca to me
[04:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, oh, I live in Illinois now, but I'm originally from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
[04:49] <p00p> ninkendo, still doesn't show up in foomatic-gui... but i'll try the netbios name as host in nautilus
[04:49] <hypa7ia> coolcool LifesizeKenDoll, my roomie's partner is there now
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, fun stuff
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, I know a _lot_ of people that threatened to move to Canada if Kerry lost
[04:50] <hypa7ia> PlaztkEyes: it's a local chain, only like 7 stores.  cheapest place in canada tho.  and i got all the techs to try linux :-)
[04:50] <ninkendo> p00p: well, actually the two *should* be interchangeable
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, none of them seem to be holding up their commitment
[04:50] <hypa7ia> LifesizeKenDoll: http://www.marryanamerican.ca/
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> lol
[04:50] <hypa7ia> one of my american friends has already asked me to marry him :-)
[04:51] <Temet> thanks LifesizeKenDoll , that's good now
[04:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, I have Canadian and New Zealand citizenship - no America yet
[04:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, yay!
[04:51] <PlaztkEyes> LSKD: i read an article about the move to Canada thing.  there's at least a year long waiting list.
[04:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, that site is amazing
[04:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia, how old are you?
[04:51] <hypa7ia> PlaztkEyes: depends on how much money you hace
[04:51] <Temet> I'll change my repository now LifesizeKenDoll ;)
[04:51] <hypa7ia> LifesizeKenDoll: i know, eh?
[04:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, yay, repository!
[04:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, how come
[04:52] <Temet> what ?
[04:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, why you changing the repository?
[04:52] <p00p> ninkendo, nautilus is also not seeing 1 shared folder... it sees 1 out of 2 and not the printer
[04:52] <Temet> i want to add multiverse and universe LifesizeKenDoll ;)
[04:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, ah, good choice
[04:52] <Temet> lol
[04:53] <MoonSweep> what's the difference between univers and multiverse ?
[04:53] <Temet> don't ask me
[04:53] <Temet> lol
[04:53] <ninkendo> p00p: try smb://pcname/print$
[04:53] <PlaztkEyes> i was hoping for an omniverse option...
[04:53] <p00p> ok
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:53] <ninkendo> does that show up?
[04:53] <MoonSweep> omniverse ?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> maybe hoary will have one...
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:53] <MoonSweep> i'm lost :=
[04:53] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep, different stuff in multiverse
[04:53] <MoonSweep> :)
[04:53] <Zugwrack> anyone here running PPC?
[04:54] <MoonSweep> different
[04:54] <MoonSweep> yes but what's the difference ?
[04:54] <p00p> ninkendo, doesn't work in nautilus, and foomatic refuses to save ANYTHING i change
[04:54] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll, is "deb-src" repository usefull ?
[04:54] <ninkendo> p00p: what's wrong with the gnome cups manager?
[04:54] <Lowry> Yes I have ppc
[04:54] <Zugwrack> My sound volume is very low for system sounds even with it maxed out...when playing through xmms streamed music sound muted, and distorted...I checked prefs and changed xmms to use ALSA...
[04:54] <ninkendo> IMO that's much easier to use...
[04:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, I've never used it
[04:54] <p00p> ninkendo, oh nothing works that's all
[04:55] <p00p> i mean it's the same thing
[04:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, leave it in anyway, though
[04:55] <Temet> thanks
[04:55] <Temet> oki
[04:55] <p00p> it just saves what i put in.. most of the time
[04:55] <Zugwrack> Lowry: Did you have this(these) problems?
[04:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, I also have Java and a Win32 Codec Repository in my sources.list
[04:55] <Lowry> I have the same problem
[04:55] <MoonSweep> Zugwrack: did you maxed the different mixers (PCM, CD...) ?
[04:55] <Temet> Multiverse has more .deb than universe LifesizeKenDoll?
[04:55] <Lowry> xine seems better for cd's
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> Zugwrack: did you look at the alsamixer settings
[04:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, not actually sure
[04:56] <Zugwrack> MoonSweep: Yes, and ran alsamixer from konsole for good measure just to be sure
[04:56] <ninkendo> p00p: alright try this instead
[04:56] <Temet> yahou LifesizeKenDoll, will you be sweet enough to send it to me by DCC ?
[04:56] <ninkendo> smb://username@machine/printername
[04:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, send what?
[04:56] <ninkendo> maybe it's making you log in
[04:56] <p00p> ninkendo, in foomatic?
[04:56] <ninkendo> yes
[04:56] <p00p> ok
[04:56] <Temet> source.list LifesizeKenDoll
[04:56] <p00p> ninkendo, foomatic should be run as normal user, right?
[04:56] <p00p> i just realiezd i'm not running it as root
[04:57] <ninkendo> no, root is pretty much mandatory
[04:57] <p00p> hehehhe
[04:57] <ninkendo> but I mean the windows username
[04:57] <Zugwrack> Lowry: Have you heard any discussion on how to correct the problem?
[04:57] <p00p> i know that
[04:57] <p00p> but that's probably why it won't save changes
[04:57] <Mojo_Jojo> this sucks I cant play UT *cires*
[04:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, just add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[04:57] <ninkendo> er, I read what you said wrong
[04:57] <Temet> oki
[04:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, and  deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./
[04:57] <Temet> thanx
[04:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, that, plus uni/multiverse should be good
[04:57] <ninkendo> hmm, then again I'm not sure, as it seems to work as non-root also
[04:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> brb
[04:58] <ninkendo> but the gnome menu entry runs it as root
[04:58] <p00p> ninkendo, when i ran as root it already had the uri in that format, with user:pass@host/printer
[04:58] <lt_kije> anyone know why /usr/share/dict/words doesn't exist on a vanilla warty install?
[04:58] <ninkendo> what happens when you try and print a test page?
[04:59] <p00p> ninkendo, trying in foomatic now... nothing happened before in nautilus
[04:59] <p00p> maybe it worked
[04:59] <p00p> ninkendo, DOH
[04:59] <p00p> ninkendo, it works!
[04:59] <ninkendo> working?
[04:59] <lt_kije> i'm trying to search for words that match a certain pattern, and /usr/share/dict/words soft links to /usr/share/dictionaries-common/words, which doesn't exist
[04:59] <ninkendo> heh, sweet
[04:59] <p00p> ninkendo, LifesizeKenDoll, thanks so much for your help
[04:59] <ninkendo> no problem
[04:59] <htaccess> what is the recomended methid of editing processes and runlevels in ubuntu, ie i want to switch services like cups and portmap off, rcconf doesnt seem to be here and i see no gui tool
[04:59] <p00p> and thank you unbuntu for the best desktop os i've used :)
[05:00] <ninkendo> :)
[05:02] <PlaztkEyes> i wouldn't be tripping about the video driver, except i can't change the refresh rate, and 60 Hz is killing me...
[05:03] <Burgundavia> I have several processes running as root that have no names.
[05:03] <hypa7ia> PlaztkEyes: msg me, let's get this thing working
[05:04] <VR^> damnit! ... i burned my iso at a speed of 8x, and when i tried to install, it started skipping at some point... and just hung there eventually >:|
[05:04] <Temet> hum, sorry LifesizeKenDoll ... i made a mistake ... could you give me again repositories for flash, nvidia...
[05:04] <Temet> (shame on me)
[05:05] <htaccess> Burgundavia, try 'ps auxww'
[05:05] <mrisager> Can anyone help me with the grub problem described in "FAQ:MY system froze at GRUB". I cant get the fix to work.
[05:06] <Temet> what's your pb with GRUB mrisager ?
[05:06] <Temet> oki
[05:06] <Temet> i go and see
[05:06] <mrisager> After Ubuntu install  my system boot to the words GRUB and freeze.
[05:06] <mrisager> Its a well-known problem but I cannot get the fix to work
[05:07] <mrisager> fdisk complains that extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary
[05:07] <Temet> yep
[05:07] <Burgundavia> htaccess: Why the heck do they not show up as a name under sysmon?
[05:08] <Temet> a person i know has the same issue with FC3
[05:08] <mrisager> FAQ at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8933&postcount=1
[05:08] <Temet> thanx
[05:09] <Temet> mrisager, don't you have a knoppix?
[05:10] <Temet> the solution is in the page
[05:10] <htaccess> Burgundavia, yes, i noticed that sysmon has them missing, must be a bug
[05:10] <mrisager> Yes. When I boot into knoppix and try step 2, sfdisk says unrecognized input: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundaryt
[05:10] <Temet> i don't understand what you need more
[05:10] <Temet> merde
[05:10] <mrisager> Right
[05:11] <htaccess> Temet, try the ubuntu LiveCD, like knoppix but ubuntu :)
[05:11] <icu> When I play the ut2k4 demo on my dell 600m, fglrx mobility 9000, after a couple seconds of in game time with it looking perfect, everything seems to collapse into the center of the screen with a mash of triangle with a vertex at the center of the screen. Any ideas?
[05:11] <Temet> lol
[05:11] <Burgundavia> htaccess: ok, I figured it was a bug, but I figured I should check
[05:11] <Temet> i've ubuntu htaccess ;)
[05:11] <mrisager> Is it possible to set up lilo as the boot manager instead. It is less sensitive to the hard disk geometry issues
[05:12] <Temet> mrisager, you make a "su" befoire
[05:12] <Temet> before*
[05:12] <mrisager> Yes
[05:12] <Temet> well mrisager , i know another command
[05:13] <Temet> i search it
[05:13] <mrisager> ??????
[05:13] <htaccess> Burgundavia, if you realy care what those processes are you can check the PID in sysmon and then grep for it in the ps output eg: ps auxww | grep 2213
[05:14] <Temet> mrisager : sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda --force
[05:14] <mrisager> been there
[05:14] <mrisager> same output
[05:14] <Temet> grrr
[05:14] <Temet> your hda HD is under windows or linux ?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> htaccess: true, my concern was more that I had no idea what they were
[05:15] <mrisager> win xp :-[
[05:15] <Temet> not bad
[05:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> I am back!
[05:15] <Temet> well, i'm sorry ... I don't know
[05:16] <mrisager> Fair enough. Thanks anyway Themet
[05:16] <mrisager> Temet
[05:16] <Temet> maybe juste doing another grub-install /dev/hda mrisager
[05:16] <luo> hi all
[05:16] <gen> how would i go about installing samba
[05:16] <luo> samba?
[05:16] <mrisager> ?? Complains about Read-only file system
[05:16] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll, I made a mistake, could you give me again the repositories for flash, nvidia... please
[05:16] <gen> for windows file sharing
[05:17] <Temet> (sorry LifesizeKenDoll)
[05:17] <luo> apt-get install samba
[05:17] <gen> tried that
[05:17] <gen> says
[05:17] <luo> then do configuration
[05:17] <gen> of?
[05:17] <luo> smb.conf
[05:17] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll ? Not Really back ?
[05:18] <gen> and that would  be where
[05:18] <luo> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:18] <gen> thanks
[05:18] <Mojo_Jojo> you dont have to configure it...I didn;t it did it all by itself
[05:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet, I'm here
[05:19] <luo> you are welcome
[05:19] <stuNNed> what controls smb browsing in ubuntu if samba isn't installed? i.e. enabling it in network-admin, gnome-vfs-soemthing?
[05:19] <lightnin> mrisager: I might know a bit about this.
[05:19] <mrisager> I'm all ears
[05:20] <luo> smbfs
[05:22] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll, I can't install nvidia with synaptic I think ... i must reboot into a console mode and make a apt get? I'm Right ?
[05:25] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll ?
[05:26] <Temet> euh
[05:26] <Temet> guys ?
[05:27] <umarmung> Temet, you can install the nvidia drivers with synaptic
[05:27] <Temet> o_O
[05:27] <Temet> and reboot and it works umarmung ... ?
[05:27] <umarmung> Temet, after that change nv to nvidia in XF86COnfig-4
[05:27] <Temet> yep
[05:27] <umarmung> then restart X and cross fingers :p
[05:27] <Temet> but usually, i have to boot to console mode to do that
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> no
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> don't do that
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> run nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:28] <Temet> hum
[05:28] <Temet> don't fight
[05:28] <umarmung> HrdwrBoB, why no manual change?
[05:28] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, so i'm hearing great things about latest nvidia drivers, any idea when they might make it in?
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> that's the Correct way to do it
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: no idea, sorry
[05:29] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, doom3 wise
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> oh, interesting
[05:29] <umarmung> HrdwrBoB, but why? Will i get any problems with my method?
[05:29] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, supposedly better framerates than windows counterpart, what they are saying in #nvidia
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> umarmung: it should work, but that's the package configuration tool
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> and it's also quicker :)
[05:31] <bigt> question how do you install install a c compiler cause when i try to install this lbjusb for my nomad zen mp3 player i'm doing what it says with extracting and then ./configure  but when i run that it says no c compiler in Path
[05:32] <stuNNed> bigt, apt-get build-essential or something , afaik
[05:32] <nevyn> it's not built already?
[05:32] <bigt> i don't believe so
[05:32] <bigt> i took it off the site
[05:33] <bigt> << so new to linux i wouldn't know if it was or not
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> libnjb0 - Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox library development files
[05:33] <stuNNed> bigt, try 'apt-cache search nomad' and install what you need from there :)
[05:34] <bigt> trying to follow the directions of http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/?section=article
[05:34] <bigt> ok thanks
[05:34] <stuNNed> bigt, works here with dell dj :)
[05:34] <stuNNed> gnomad2 that is, all in ubuntu's repo's
[05:34] <stuNNed> no need to compile :)
[05:34] <bigt> ok
[05:34] <bigt> so just do a cache search?
[05:34] <stuNNed> or you can search in the gui it might be easier
[05:34] <stuNNed> synaptic
[05:35] <bigt> ok which ever way
[05:35] <Lowry> lpinfo -v - no printer is showing on ppc ubuntu
[05:35] <bigt> trying to learn terminal so terminal would be good
[05:35] <bigt> i figure if i learn terminal gui will be easy
[05:35] <stuNNed> bigt, then yes apt-cache search nomad then apt-get install it
[05:36] <bigt> thank you
[05:37] <bigt> it came up with libnjb-dev and libnjb0  so is the command sudo apt-get install libnjb-dev libnjb0
[05:37] <stuNNed> bigt, sure
[05:38] <bigt> so thats the correct command?
[05:38] <mike_douglas> anyone know any software that could help me create a pamphlet, that runs on Linux (preferably GTK-based).
[05:39] <bigt> ok good deal its working
[05:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> so how we all doing today?
[05:39] <bigt> so i guess just plug the ting in the usb now and it should detect
[05:40] <stuNNed> bigt, is gnomad2 available? can't remember if i had to get a .deb for it off the web
[05:40] <unperson> mike_douglas, You mean other than OO.org writer or presenter?
[05:40] <bigt> well not sure
[05:41] <stuNNed> bigt, if you type 'gnomad2' in terminal ?
[05:41] <bigt> ok let me try
[05:41] <bigt> not found
[05:41] <mike_douglas> ya, something with a template engine that works with pamphlets
[05:41] <stuNNed> bigt, one sec
[05:42] <bigt> thanks i assume the only way i can get access to the device is with gnomad2
[05:42] <stuNNed> bigt, i got mine from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gnomad2 afaik
[05:43] <stuNNed> bigt, d/l the one you need then just 'dpkg -i gnomad2-xxxx'
[05:43] <bigt> ok
[05:43] <bigt> so download and then do the dpkg command?
[05:43] <bigt> again i'm learning
[05:43] <bigt> like sudo dpkg -i <whatever>
[05:44] <stuNNed> yes
[05:45] <bigt> sorry but you said get the one i need in all honestly how do i know which one i need? i'm on a x86 box
[05:46] <unperson> mike_douglas, Hmm...I don't know.  I haven't tried to do anything like that.  Of the tools I know, I'd guess presenter would be the best suited.
[05:46] <stuNNed> bigt, i386 one
[05:47] <|QuaD|> hey all, i just installed ubuntu for the first time and am trying to install nvidia drivers
[05:47] <|QuaD|> i dled them from nvidia website
[05:47] <bigt> so the libcon2-4 and liblib2.0-0?
[05:47] <|QuaD|> and they aren't compilint
[05:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> |QuaD|: you wanna go with the Ubuntu ones
[05:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> |QuaD|: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:48] <mike_douglas> unperson: thanks anyways, I found Scribus, and that will probably due.
[05:48] <|QuaD|> ahh... ok
[05:48] <|QuaD|> lemme try that
[05:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> |QuaD|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:49] <unperson> mike_douglas, Ah, cool.  I wasn't aware of that project.  Yeah, you might also be able to find appropriate templates for some of the OO.org stuff, but they don't seem to be there by default.
[05:49] <MoonSweep> i'm going
[05:49] <MoonSweep> bye all
[05:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> MoonSweep: bye, man
[05:50] <MoonSweep> bye :)
[05:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Gaim, eh?
[05:50] <bigt> ok i see what i was doing wrong duh
[05:50] <bigt> brb
[05:51] <|QuaD|> LifesizeKenDoll: i just did that... but i think i did damage prior to it by trying to install the drivers!
[05:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> |QuaD|: urg, what does it say?
[05:53] <bigt> dang error processing qnomad2 (--install) dependency problems leaving unconfigured  :(
[05:54] <bigt> says it requires libid3tag0
[05:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> bigt: *tear*
[05:54] <bigt> *fart*
[05:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> lol
[05:54] <bigt> i'm learing this stuff for the first time and its kicking my bhonkey
[05:55] <stuNNed> bigt, install by apt all it's dep's is what i did, then dpkg -i gnomad2-foo
[05:55] <bigt> ok i got the second part you said
[05:55] <bigt> how you do the apt all?
[05:56] <stuNNed> bigt, something like `apt-cache search libid3tag0` or osmething
[05:56] <bigt> then install what it finds?
[05:57] <Drel> Hello, I'm running into a wierd problem with my Dell Inspiron 2650 laptop.  It has a Nvidia GeForce 2 Go video device.  I have installed the "real" Nvidia drivers, and get graphics fine.  However, when I logout from Gnome or if I try to reboot the system, the screen goes blank and the system appears to hang.  Any ideas what's going on??
[05:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: I know the problem
[05:57] <stuNNed> bigt, go through the list and see if a packages matches up or provides what you need
[05:57] <Drel> I see someone reporting what seems to be the same problem with Debian here: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/1616.html
[05:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: I have the same deal with mine
[05:57] <Drel> LifesizeKenDoll: Any solution or are you just stuck with it?
[05:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: easy fix
[05:58] <shank_> did i mentiion how much i like ubuntu?
[05:58] <stuNNed> Drel, have had similar prob
[05:58] <Drel> LifesizeKenDoll: I'm all ears :)
[05:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: all you gotta do is edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:58] <bigt> well id the cache thing and i typed sudo apt-get install libid3tag0
[05:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: and tap on vga=791 to the end of the kernel params
[05:59] <Gmail> i am getting a server soon and i'll like to mirror ubuntu who do i speek to?
[05:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: e.g. /vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash vga=791
[05:59] <Drel> LifesizeKenDoll: Sweet! I'll try that.
[05:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> Gmail: I'd suggest checking the website
[05:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: it should work out for you, man
[05:59] <Drel> Great, I'll brb and let you know either way. ;)
[05:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: You gotta reboot, btw
[06:00] <Drel> Hopefully this will be the last time I have to hard power down the system.
[06:00] <bigt> strange says it depends but its not gonna be installed
[06:00] <bigt> thats just messed up
[06:02] <stuNNed> bigt, weird, libid3tag0 is installed here
[06:02] <bigt> well it says its not installed here any way to get it reinstalled
[06:02] <bigt> i tried sudo apt-get install libid3tag0
[06:03] <stuNNed> dpkg -l|grep libid3tag
[06:04] <bigt> does do anything
[06:04] <bigt> doesn't
[06:04] <PlaztkEyes> gnite all (thank you again, hypa7ia)
[06:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> PlaztkEyes: cya later
[06:05] <bigt> k here it goes
[06:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's Temet!
[06:05] <stuNNed> bigt, did you `apt-get update` first?
[06:05] <PlaztkEyes> cya, LSKD
[06:05] <Temet> lol LifesizeKenDoll , you're back !
[06:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: yea, I switched to Gaim from xchat
[06:05] <bigt> alright yeah that worked i had an error in what i typed
[06:05] <Temet> Hum, do someone use 3ddesktop ?
[06:05] <bigt> so type gnomad2 now? after i do the install?
[06:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's just an eyecandy thing you should see once and never see again
[06:06] <Temet> lol
[06:06] <Temet> yes
[06:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> it is
[06:06] <Temet> but I like candies lol
[06:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto
[06:06] <Temet> wow
[06:06] <Temet> are you god LifesizeKenDoll ?
[06:07] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: not God, a god, but not God
[06:07] <bigt> cool can't open jukebox
[06:07] <bigt> :)
[06:07] <Drel> LifesizeKenDoll: Sadly, that didn't work. :(  The boot up messages now take up the whole screen (before they used about 70% of the width and height of the screen), everything else works like it did before, but the screen still goes black when I logout.
[06:07] <LifesizeKenDoll> Drel: *tear*
[06:07] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey, what's your resolution go up to?
[06:07] <Temet> this guy is incredible
[06:07] <stuNNed> bigt, only works as root user here, then had to chown me:mygroup *.* to open in rhythmbox :\
[06:07] <Drel> 1024x768k, I believe.
[06:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> hrm
[06:08] <bigt> well tis not detecting the player
[06:08] <Drel> I reconfigured x to run in 24bit color depth, if that makes a difference.
[06:08] <stuNNed> bigt, `sudo -s` then `gnomad`
[06:08] <Drel> (when adding the nvidia binary drivers)
[06:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> if you try 771 it'd probably work
[06:08] <LifesizeKenDoll> shouldn't make a difference
[06:09] <bigt> bam your good
[06:09] <bigt> working
[06:09] <Drel> I'll try 771.  Have to run to pick up a tasty hot pizza ;), will try that later.  Thanks for the help!
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> you're
[06:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> I want pizza :'(
[06:11] <bigt> well i spoke to fast worked crshed and will not start haha :)
[06:12] <jjh> Why wouldn't alsa recognize my sound card despite the proper modules being loaded?
[06:13] <bigt> hey stunned when you hit play selected does it crash back to the shell on you with relocation error?
[06:14] <stuNNed> bigt, i just use it to transfer stuff, you need to `chown you:yourgroup *.*` in the dir the audio files are
[06:14] <stuNNed> bigt, haven't figured out why can only access as root, could be some udev permissions setting, not sure.
[06:15] <bigt> ok well the files are on the mp3 harddrive
[06:15] <bigt> not sure exactly how i would chmod it as you said
[06:15] <bigt> i thought you could just play them off the player thru the comuter guess not
[06:16] <stuNNed> bigt, meaning after they are transferred to local hd...the chown part..
[06:17] <bigt> oh ok
[06:18] <DA-MAN> ne1 have any issues with the snd-i8x0 driver?
[06:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> yep
[06:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> so I bought an Audigy2
[06:18] <DA-MAN> it sounds like shit on my headphones, same with fc3. use to work fine with kernel 2.4 and oss
[06:18] <bigt> stupid questeion don you highlight the file on the right and right click and hit transfer selected?
[06:18] <stuNNed> bigt, also in /etc/hotplug/usb i have nomadjukebox and nomad.usermap but not sure what that is for :)
[06:19] <DA-MAN> LifesizeKenDoll, hehe fraid i can't do that. it's a laptop
[06:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> DA-MAN: oh, *tear*
[06:19] <bigt> ok
[06:19] <DA-MAN> yeah, a sony laptop at that
[06:19] <DA-MAN> hahaha
[06:20] <stuNNed> bigt, hightlight the file then click the left or right arrow
[06:20] <bigt> haha it doesn't do sh*t
[06:20] <bigt> it pretends to
[06:21] <bigt> says value too big for defined data type
[06:21] <jjh> DA-MAN: Did you ever have problems getting the sound to work at all?
[06:26] <DA-MAN> nope
[06:26] <DA-MAN> worked by default in 2.4 with fc1 and rhel
[06:26] <lhb> morning
[06:26] <DA-MAN> works now even, just cracks and sounds crappy
[06:26] <bigt> stunned you still there mate?
[06:27] <lhb> dpkg-reconfigure what? is going to reconfigure network settings
[06:27] <icu> Has anyone tried running unreal 2004 with an ati card and fglrx?
[06:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> icu: ATI makes Baby Jesus cry
[06:28] <DA-MAN> hehe I thought Old Dirty Bastard changed his name from Baby Jesus already
[06:28] <mercurus> greetings to all
[06:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> DA-MAN: lol
[06:28] <stuNNed> bigt, not really sure what's up, works here, i can send you the two files to put in /etc/hotplug/usb but don't know if that'll make a difference.
[06:28] <icu> LifesizeKenDoll: Ya ya I know but i it's what I have in my laptop.
[06:29] <bigt> it just says there is a problem with the size
[06:29] <bigt> strange
[06:29] <icu> how can I setup the kernel dri module for my radeon mobility 9000 card?
[06:30] <stuNNed> bigt, tried another file?
[06:30] <stuNNed> bigt, if usb support recognizes it, should be able to transfer files back and forth.
[06:30] <bigt> hang on
[06:30] <bigt> yeah thats what i thought
[06:30] <bigt> but it doesn't
[06:31] <bigt> let me log in to here
[06:31] <bigt> on linux
[06:31] <bigt> so i can post you what it says
[06:31] <bigt> in a pm
[06:31] <stuNNed> sure.
[06:32] <LifesizeKenDoll> I made an automatic-porn-getter program in python
[06:32] <LifesizeKenDoll> I obviously own
[06:33] <Lowry> Reading http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723 What does the ati rage support with ppc linux?
[06:33] <hypa7ia> LifesizeKenDoll: there's already one for firefox
[06:33] <hypa7ia> it's called magpie :-)
[06:33] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: but does it sort the porn from non-porn
[06:34] <hypa7ia> that it doesnt.
[06:34] <Lowry> How good is direct rendering?
[06:34] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lowry: it is 3d graphics
[06:34] <mercurus> Lowry: how would you have an ATI chipset on a PPC machine ?
[06:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: I call it Pornage, of the gentoo tradition
[06:35] <Lowry> Apple used them in its powerbooks
[06:36] <gen> and ibooks
[06:36] <mercurus> Lowry: ah ... jolly good idea too
[06:36] <hypa7ia> lil LifesizeKenDoll
[06:36] <gen> the powermac g5 can also have a 9600ct or 9800 too
[06:36] <gen> xt*
[06:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: my roommate bet me that I couldn't do it
[06:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: showed him
[06:37] <hypa7ia> lol
[06:37] <hypa7ia> yay python!
[06:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> Python is so cool
[06:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> I keep trying to convince my CS teacher to let my program in Python instead of Java
[06:38] <hypa7ia> so i hear
[06:38] <hypa7ia> i want to learn
[06:38] <hypa7ia> i quit cs because of java :-(
[06:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> Java := suck
[06:38] <hypa7ia> for serious.
[06:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea, definitely
[06:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> I love python
[06:39] <hypa7ia> do you have "how to think like a computer scientist"?
[06:39] <hypa7ia> http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[06:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: no I don't
[06:40] <hypa7ia> it's a great book
[06:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: oh, I read that
[06:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> hypa7ia: my bad
[06:41] <hypa7ia> no worries :-)
[06:43] <gnx> hey guys :)
[06:43] <gnx> so i'm trying this ubuntu, being the gentoo whore I was
[06:43] <gnx> and i really like it
[06:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> gnx: I was a gentoo whore, too!
[06:43] <gnx> however, i've reinstalled twice, and neither time was I asked to set my root password
[06:43] <gnx> lol
[06:43] <Tomcat_> #anonymousgentoowhores
[06:43] <Tomcat_> :)
[06:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> lol
[06:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> naw
[06:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> I'm not anonymous
[06:44] <Pizbit> gnx: YOu use sudo
[06:44] <Tomcat_> gnx: root is deactivated in Ubuntu.
[06:44] <Pizbit> gnx: Surely as a gentooer you should know about skimming the faq/installion stuff?:)
[06:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> although I like its configurability, I don't like to configure _everything_. And source-based pissed me off
[06:44] <gnx> tried that -- it still asks me for a password
[06:44] <mercurus> hmm ... which device should I feed to cdrecord ..? it is looking for a SCSI emulated drive that isn't available in kernel >= 2.6.x ... where should I direct it ?
[06:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's your pass
[06:44] <Pizbit> gnx: Your user password
[06:44] <Tomcat_> gnx: It *should* ask you for a password: )
[06:44] <Temet> welcome to my club gnx lol
[06:45] <gnx> hrm... it worked this time
[06:45] <hypa7ia> repeat after me kids
[06:45] <gnx> *looks around and slowly backs out of #ubuntu*
[06:45] <hypa7ia> it's not a bug, it's a feature :-)
[06:45] <gnx> i understand
[06:45] <gnx> but apparently, my fingers are really fucked up
[06:45] <hypa7ia> lol
[06:45] <gnx> because i was sitting here for half an hour, typing the same god-damned thing
[06:45] <Lowry> later ppl
[06:45] <gnx> and i reinstalled twice because of it
[06:45] <gnx> heh
[06:45] <Tomcat_> lol
[06:45] <Tomcat_> Use a better password then. :>
[06:45] <gnx> but it works now ... so i'll stfu.
[06:45] <stuNNed> gnx, LOL
[06:45] <gnx> <3
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> heheh
[06:47] <gnx> hrm .. *clicks around ubuntu.org to find out more about debian*
[06:47] <Lathiat> why would you learn abotu debian from ubuntu.org, wouldnt you learn about debian from debian.org? :)
[06:47] <gnx> emerge sync is not working :X
[06:47] <gnx> ;P
[06:47] <hypa7ia> lol gnx
[06:47] <gnx> nah, all the tools are virtually the same ;P
[06:47] <gnx> package management tools*
[06:47] <gnx> from what I hear..
[06:47] <shank_> anybody tried ubuntu on amd64?
[06:47] <Pizbit> gnx: computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic :)
[06:47] <hypa7ia> emerge was modeled on apt-get after all
[06:47] <stuNNed> gnx, lol
[06:48] <gnx> .ew
[06:48] <gnx> gui?
[06:48] <gnx> fucking wow.
[06:48] <hypa7ia> synaptic's just a front end for apt, gnx
[06:48] <Pizbit> Heh, there's command line too, but sometimes guis are quicker and easier.
[06:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> I like apt-get more
[06:48] <hypa7ia> moi aussi
[06:49] <gnx> so i think i am going to do this smart upgrade thing now?
[06:49] <gnx> smart update*
[06:50] <hypa7ia> good plan gnx
[06:51] <gnx> ok .. added the deb-net mirror, got a list, checked using smart update .. and how do I actually update these packages
[06:51] <gnx> the apply button is grayed out
[06:51] <gnx> :X
[06:51] <Pizbit> deb-net ?
[06:51] <gnx> well, deb off the net, not deb off the cd, or deb-src off the net
[06:52] <gnx> erm .. "repositories"
[06:52] <Pizbit> The ubuntu one is already there:)
[06:52] <gnx> yeah, you just have to check it
[06:52] <Pizbit> Hit 'reload'
[06:52] <Pizbit> Then do the smart-upgrade thing
[06:52] <gnx> ok
[06:53] <gnx> now it looks like it's sitting idle
[06:53] <gnx> did that install all the updates too?
[06:53] <Pizbit> Maybe no updates?
[06:53] <Pizbit> Believe it checks for updates during the install, enabling universe wont give you updates
[06:54] <Pizbit> 'cause obviously you havn't got anything from it yet :D
[06:54] <hypa7ia> i'm off to bed, nite all
[06:54] <gnx> closed it, reopened it, did the same, apply is all of a sudden available for use
[06:54] <gnx> :)
[06:54] <gnx> <3 hypa
[06:55] <hypa7ia> best of luck!
[06:55] <Lowry> Does ubuntu ppc support booting from firewire hd?
[07:00] <gnx> hrm .. which of these repositories should I select?
[07:01] <ajmitch> hi scandium
[07:02] <scandium> ajmitch: oh :)
[07:03] <ajmitch> heh
[07:03] <ajmitch> scandium: decided to finally get rid of gentoo then? ;)
[07:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> I have such a love/hate relationship with Gento
[07:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> Gentoo*
[07:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> currently leaning on the latter
[07:04] <stuNNed> LifesizeKenDoll, same here lol
[07:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> I love Ubuntu, though
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> it has a _great_ configuration
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> things just work
[07:05] <scandium> ajmitch: no, I am just extending my mind :)
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> and it's based off of something great and stable - Debian
[07:05] <nevyn> :)
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> although I do miss dropshadows
[07:05] <LifesizeKenDoll> oh X.org 6.8, what must Debian loathe you so?
[07:07] <HrdwrBoB> not really loathe
[07:07] <HrdwrBoB> it's a matter of time
[07:07] <nevyn> much much time.
[07:07] <Lathiat> nevyn: you the nevyn i know?
[07:08] <nevyn> yep.
[07:08] <nevyn> I returned your book.
[07:09] <jgeorgeson> whil trying to improve my ACPI support, I built a custom kernel to use a custom dsdt, there doesn't seem to be and text console display with it (not kernel boot messages, vt1-6 blank. other than that the system seems to run fine. x starts and gdm loads on vt7 like normal (didn't fix my acpi problems though)
[07:11] <LifesizeKenDoll> HrdwrBoB: why won't they just move on to Sarge already?
[07:13] <stuNNed> jgeorgeson, do you know if ubuntu can ship with custom dsdt's?
[07:14] <kingsley> An updated graph showing which data compression utility should maximize your hardware's network transfer speed is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/best_compressors_for_networking.2.png. Comments welcome.
[07:15] <jgeorgeson> stuNNed: they could ship a kernel with the initrd patch, and during install ask what model laptop you have, and add their dsdt into the dsdt
[07:15] <stuNNed> jgeorgeson, that would be especially sweet.
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> kingsley: very interesting
[07:17] <jgeorgeson> i think i'll add that to bugzilla
[07:17] <kingsley> HrdwrBoB: Can you elaborate on why it's interesting?
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> well my work/home connections are about 50kb/s
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> so for the most part, higher compression is better
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> but in other locations I get mucher higher, so getting the bzip2 results in longer overall time
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> even on a decent processor
[07:19] <kingsley> HrdwrBoB: How fast are your home and work CPUs?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> P4 2.8
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> XP 2800+
[07:22] <kingsley> HrdwrBoB: Applying your CPU and network speeds to my chart, it looks like piping through 7za (p7zip package) at compression level 7 (grenn "x") would be worth trying.
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[07:25] <jgeorgeson> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379
[07:30] <jgeorgeson> anybody here rebuild their kernel to get S4 support?
[07:31] <jgeorgeson> brb
[07:36] <GnuHippy> hey
[07:37] <GnuHippy> anyone here?
[07:37] <jgeorgeson> yeah
[07:37] <GnuHippy> hey
[07:37] <jgeorgeson> what's up?
[07:38] <stuNNed> jgeorgeson, added my comments to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379 not much thought atm
[07:38] <jgeorgeson> saw that
[07:38] <jgeorgeson> the comment, that is
[07:38] <will_> hi there
[07:39] <jgeorgeson> anyone have sw susp built into their kernel?
[07:40] <Lathiat> i do
[07:40] <jgeorgeson> Lathiat: which one one did you use (Assuming you used one of the two methods already in the linux-source package)?
[07:40] <Lathiat> <IP_ADDRESS>-orinoco-swsusp-mppe (orinoco scanning driver, mppe encryption for MS vpns and swsusp)
[07:40] <Lathiat> jgeorgeson: software suspend 2 (softwaresuspend.berlios.de i think)
[07:40] <Lathiat> the activately developed and sanely working one :)
[07:41] <jgeorgeson> Lathiat: i'm guessing that required patching the linux-source sources?
[07:41] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:41] <Lathiat> want my kernel?
[07:41] <rushibhai> you mean the one with a billion patches?
[07:41] <Lathiat> its only one patch
[07:42] <Lathiat> well i have 3 patches in mine but only one of them is swsusp
[07:42] <Lathiat> also ive got a debian package with the script to hibernate
[07:42] <rushibhai> humm.. last time i checked there were a few.. ?
[07:42] <Lathiat> i couldnt survive without it :)
[07:42] <Lathiat> rushibhai: there used to be two
[07:42] <Lathiat> but even then its not that bad
[07:42] <jgeorgeson> no thanks, i was just curious which one people were using. i rebuilt my kernel with both the included methods, but what commands are associated with which method
[07:42] <Lathiat> jgeorgeson: oh both the included ones arent really activately worked on afaik and i wouldnt recommend using them
[07:43] <Lathiat> no idea how to actually use them either
[07:43] <Lathiat> but swsusp2 works very well if you want to try that out
[07:43] <rushibhai> i see. for me suspend works pretty much out of the box with debian kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:43] <Lathiat> i couldnt live without it
[07:43] <Lathiat> rushibhai: acpi suspend-to-disk or suspend-to-ram?
[07:43] <rushibhai> suspend to disk..
[07:43] <Lathiat> bios/acpi based suspend to disk?
[07:43] <jgeorgeson> I can S3 suspend with no tweaking, but i have no display on resume. absolutely no semblance of S4 at the moment
[07:43] <rushibhai> at some point i got susp. to ram to work, but it ate a lot of battery.
[07:44] <Lathiat> rushibhai: heh how much battery?
[07:44] <Lathiat> shouldnt use too much
[07:44] <rushibhai> well, i ran out of battery after four days of continuous suspension.
[07:44] <rushibhai> its an R40, lasts about 3:20 while running.
[07:44] <Lathiat> well
[07:44] <Lathiat> thats pretty good....
[07:44] <rushibhai> :)
[07:44] <Lathiat> i mean it has to keep the ram alive
[07:45] <jgeorgeson> doesn't sound like a "problem" to me. seems like 4 days should have been in S4
[07:45] <Lathiat> i figure its really meant to move placew
[07:45] <Lathiat> go home
[07:45] <Lathiat> etc
[07:45] <rushibhai> right. i like susp. to disk though. takes about :45-1min but doesn't eat battery at all.
[07:46] <Lathiat> yep
[07:46] <rushibhai> can do it over night and stuff. less hassle than to keep it plugged in to prevent battery to cycle etc.
[07:46] <Lathiat> mines pretty fast
[07:46] <Lathiat> cus i tell it to flush all the caches
[07:46] <Lathiat> and it only writes the ram in use
[07:46] <Lathiat> in single user mode its only 30mb so its hell fast
[07:46] <Lathiat> its usually ~100mb for me
[07:46] <Lathiat> down to 70 if i dont have OOo open
[07:46] <rushibhai> yeah swsusp2 is much faster. but i like to keep updating my kernel, so no patience to patch it every time ;)
[07:47] <rushibhai> i guess after moving to ubuntu i should just patch <IP_ADDRESS> once and quit monkeying around.. :)
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> hi all
[07:48] <jgeorgeson> hello
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> heya
[07:49] <Witigonen> So is it normal for an, 'fsck -c /dev/hda1' check to just kind of sit there for the longest time and not report anything after the 'e2fsck 1.35 (date)' line?
[07:50] <Witigonen> Or... should I be worried?  The partition is unmounted, so..
[07:50] <Lathiat> umm
[07:50] <Lathiat> try using -C as well?
[07:50] <Witigonen> So, 'sudo fsck -c -C /dev/hda1'?  Or should it be just /dev/hda?
[07:51] <dle--> It's possible to install from the live CD, is that right?
[07:51] <llamabutcher> hey guys, where can i get that 4mb installer?
[07:51] <llamabutcher> i cant find a mirror anywhere
[07:52] <llamabutcher> Anyone?
[07:53] <Witigonen> Lathiat,'sudo fsck -c -C /dev/hda1'?  Or should it be just /dev/hda?  (in case you didn't see it)
[07:53] <Lathiat> nono you want hda1
[07:53] <Lathiat> -C just gives you progress
[07:53] <Lathiat> so might help
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> llamabutcher... have no clue
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> didn't even know there is a 4mb installer
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> did you try ubu's website?
[07:54] <llamabutcher> yeah, cant find the ftp installer tho
[07:54] <llamabutcher> i remember a 4mb one, but ill take one of any size, i just dont wanna dl cd's
[07:55] <llamabutcher> ?
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> I think you want to google for netinstall llamabutcher
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> and ubu is only one cd
[07:55] <Witigonen> Lathiat, thanks.
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> not several
[07:56] <llamabutcher> and it has everything?
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> everythig
[07:56] <corbob> is there any reason that i don't get video in totem?
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> everything even
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> corbob try totem-xine
[07:56] <jgeorgeson> corbob: not having the right codec installed
[07:56] <corbob> i tried xine but it freezes X and causes x to restart...
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> llamabutcher you can even d/l the live cd to try it out before deciding you want ubu on your box
[07:57] <corbob> jgeorgeson, for avi, mpg, wmv...
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> corbob.... totem-xine works for me with .avi without crashing
[07:57] <corbob> xine itself crashes for me, hopefully it's the gui;)
[07:57] <jgeorgeson> corbob: works for me too. i added the marillat repo and installed w32codecs
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> you installed xine? not libxine?
[07:58] <jgeorgeson> xine is just the backend library,
[07:58] <corbob> jgeorgeson, marillat repo?
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> xine is gui
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> yes corbob
[07:59] <jgeorgeson> corbob: google "marillat apt repo"
[08:00] <Lathiat> jgeorgeson: or apt-get.org is good too
[08:00] <jgeorgeson> Lathiat: yeah, that would be quicker
[08:01] <dle--> It's possible to install from the live CD, is that right?
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:01] <jgeorgeson> dle: i don't think i've heard anything about that
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> stable
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> main
[08:02] <jgeorgeson> Tsjoklat: why not testing or unstable?:
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> don't ask me
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> that's what's on the ubu wiki page
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> I don't use marillat
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> no need for luckily
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> if I did, I would build it from cvs
[08:03] <jgeorgeson> hm, the unsupported formats faq entry says to use testing
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> I just copied/paste what's on that site
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> if you feel happy with testing.. go for it :)
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> hey mercurus
[08:09] <corbob> is it a good thing when a bus driver is charged for DUI...
[08:09] <Lathiat> dui?
[08:09] <Lathiat> oh influence
[08:09] <Lathiat> heh
[08:09] <corbob> Driving Under INfluence...
[08:12] <Lathiat> anyone know where to get the bittorrents of enterprise
[08:12] <Lathiat> ah crap
[08:12] <Lathiat> ignore than and dont kill me :P
[08:13] <bob2> grr
[08:13] <Lathiat> *that
[08:17] <corbob> well vlc works for the video...
[08:17] <corbob> but i can't get it to work with alsa:(
[08:20] <corbob> well killing esd works:)
[08:25] <stuNNed> is this normal? MPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.  ..with mplayer-custom .deb?
[08:25] <Amaranth> how could a tar be 11MB but not have any files in it?
[08:25] <bob2> Amaranth: are you sure it doesn't?
[08:25] <bob2> stuNNed: mplayer gui support is shit
[08:25] <stuNNed> bob2, imho i agree :)
[08:26] <stuNNed> bob2, but it still puts a .desktop file under Applications
[08:26] <Amaranth> note to self: don't open 11MB tar files in vim
[08:26] <bob2> Amaranth: tar -tf foo.tar
[08:26] <bob2> stuNNed: ok
[08:26] <Amaranth> bob2: It has something in it but file-roller and tar xvf are coming up with nothing.
[08:27] <Amaranth> Ok, I'll try that.
[08:27] <bob2> are you sure it's a tarball?
[08:27] <Amaranth> bob2: That did nothing.
[08:27] <bob2> what does "file" say?
[08:27] <Amaranth> bob2: Pretty sure.
[08:28] <Amaranth> Unless I zipped up my Windows fonts and uploaded them with a .tar extension. :P
[08:28] <bob2> check what file says
[08:28] <Amaranth> what the file says where?
[08:29] <bob2> the "file" command.
[08:30] <Amaranth> it says "data"
[08:32] <Amaranth> ah well
[08:32] <Amaranth> it was just fonts
[08:34] <corbob> ah crap no wonder it doesn't work
[08:34] <mirak> hi
[08:35] <mirak> how to confiugure the scanner ?
[08:36] <nevyn> Ah you use SANE.. Scanner Access Now Easy :)
[08:39] <Witigonen> So, XMMS is refusing to keep my settings when I close it.
[08:39] <Witigonen> All of my plugins revert to their default settings and turn off and it also reverts back to the default skin.
[08:39] <Witigonen> Any ideas?
[08:39] <bob2> xmms is buggy in many ways
[08:39] <bob2> is it closing or crashing?
[08:40] <Witigonen> bob2, I've been assuming that I've been closing it.  It could be crashing when I tell it to close, though, let me see via terminal.
[08:40] <Witigonen> ...that's bizarre, it kept the skin this time.
[08:40] <mrjive> hi *
[08:40] <Witigonen> Maybe it's just when I reboot...
[08:41] <corbob> Witigonen, it might be that you can't write to the config files...
[08:41] <Witigonen> Or, maybe it's just when I load it via the menu.
[08:41] <bob2> that would be even weirder
[08:41] <bob2> is your disk full?
[08:41] <Witigonen> df reports only 89% use.
[08:41] <corbob> does ubuntu support ntfs partitions?
[08:41] <corbob> or do you have to compile that into the kernel on your own...
[08:42] <nevyn> corbob: it supports reading them but not writing to them most probably.
[08:42] <bob2> corbob: it supports reading from them
[08:42] <bob2> linux doesn't support (usefully) writing to them yet
[08:42] <nevyn> bob2: there's an ndis style hack but it's not distributable.
[08:42] <bob2> captive-ntfs, yeah
[08:42] <nevyn> yeah.