[12:24] <ompaul> vladuz976, http://www.kerp.net/cronjob/faq.html
[12:24] <schasi> why are you using warty anyway, Madeye?
[12:24] <vladuz976> ompaul, thanks
[12:24] <ompaul> CaiN_SA, a little under a year
[12:24] <CaiN_SA> doesnt matter
[12:24] <CaiN_SA> its to old
[12:24] <CaiN_SA> and
[12:25] <CaiN_SA> your dns will change if you use ppp / pppoe
[12:25] <Bateau_> ompaul: so there is no program like atop, or top that you can use to see all ports that are in use?
[12:25] <ompaul> CaiN_SA, can you put all your thoughts together in one line?
[12:25] <ompaul> Bateau_, lsof
[12:25] <schasi> netstat?
[12:25] <Madeye> bob2, schasi,  it's the only CD i have, now i'm downloading hoary ISO to upgrade, but till then how to solve this problem
[12:26] <schasi> ?
[12:26] <CaiN_SA> ompaul, sorry i just remember something then i type again
[12:26] <bob2> Madeye: your description is way too vague
[12:26] <schasi> you download a cd to upgrade?
[12:26] <bob2> Madeye: if you're using DHCP or PPPOE, then of course it will change /etc/resolv.conf
[12:26] <bob2> that's what they do
[12:26] <CaiN_SA> lol
[12:26] <CaiN_SA> Madeye, what internet connection you using ?
[12:26] <Madeye> bob2 yes, plus I need the iso to install hoary on some other machines
[12:26] <schasi> Just replaye warty with hoary in your sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:27] <Madeye> CaiN_SA,  connected over network
[12:27] <bob2> Madeye: as in DHCP?
[12:27] <Madeye> bob2,  no it's manual
[12:28] <Madeye> schasi,  I'm aware of upgrading using apt, but I need the iso to install ubuntu on some other machiones
[12:28] <Madeye> machines
[12:28] <bob2> Madeye: then nothing will override it
[12:29] <Madeye> hmm weird, it's happening I have <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, but it changed three times to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:31] <catfox> i don't suppose anyone can recommend a good postgres tutorial for begginers?
[12:32] <ompaul> catfox, the postgresql web site is as good as it gets
[12:32] <pitti> catfox: the upstream documentation is actually quite good
[12:32] <catfox> ompaul, righto, i'll take a look
[12:32] <pitti> catfox: if you just want to get the package going, look in /usr/share/postgresql-common/README.Debian
[12:33] <pitti> catfox: (on Breezy)
[12:33] <bob2> Madeye: ps aux | grep dhc
[12:33] <vladuz976> ompaul, i can't figure out how to use it, can you help
[12:34] <Adross> is there any way to bring back the 'open terminal' command from the right click menu?
[12:34] <termitor> kontact: WARNING: KDCOPServiceStarter: No service implementing DCOP/ResourceBackend/IMAP
[12:34] <termitor> kresources: ERROR: Couldn't connect to the IMAP resource backend
[12:34] <nalioth> Adross: on breezy?
[12:34] <termitor> ARFFFFFFFFf, please this bug sux
[12:34] <Adross> nalioth: yes
[12:34] <pitti> Adross: install nautilus-open-terminal
[12:35] <nalioth> Adross: yes, i have a link
[12:35] <nalioth> Adross: or as pitti says
[12:35] <ompaul> vladuz976, sorry what can't figure out?
[12:35] <Adross> kk, thanks
[12:35] <concept10> I have no idea why they change the right-click menu on every release of gnome
[12:35] <ompaul> vladuz976, cron?
[12:35] <vladuz976> ompaul, yeah cron
[12:36] <nalioth> Adross: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/notes/en/rnknownissues.html
[12:36] <Adross> nalioth: thanks
[12:37] <ompaul> vladuz976, this may help http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl5_crontab.htm
[12:37] <Adross> and pitti
[12:38] <vladuz976> ompaul, i'll try thanks
[12:38] <ompaul> phut where they go you get them better samples they run away, I keep my samples precious
[12:40] <G|Patrick> hi
[12:41] <G|Patrick> short question: where can i find a documentation how to get the previews with aptget
[12:41] <Madeye> bob2 root      2792  0.0  0.1  2088  988 ?        Ss   10:22   0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
[12:41] <nalioth> !tell G|Patrick about upgrade2breezy
[12:42] <bob2> Madeye: dthere you go then
[12:42] <nalioth> G|Patrick: be warned, breezy is still rough around the edges
[12:42] <bob2> Madeye: you told it at one point to use dhcp
[12:42] <bob2> Madeye: then never told it to stop using it
[12:42] <Madeye> bob2 ok what to do now? I have deleted the connection and re-create it
[12:42] <G|Patrick> nalioth: well if that upgrade doesnt solve cracking sound in linux
[12:42] <ShadowStalker> good morning
[12:42] <Madeye> but it's the same
[12:42] <G|Patrick> i dont now anymore :(
[12:43] <bob2> Madeye: "deleted"?
[12:43] <galorin> I'm fairly new to Ubuntu.  I've just installed it on my laptop, but am having trouble with my Netgear MA111 (prinm2 chipset).  I installed the linux-wlan-ng package, but when plugging in the dongle, and typing iwconfig, it says "wlan0 no wireless extensions"  What more do I need to do?
[12:43] <bob2> Madeye: sudo pkill dhclient3
[12:43] <bob2> galorin: it uses it's own magic tools
[12:43] <bob2> galorin: wlan-ng-ctl or something
[12:43] <Madeye> bob2 just?
[12:44] <bob2> galorin: sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="blah" authtype=opensystem
[12:44] <ShadowStalker> i have bought the "SpeedLink Illuminated USB Keyboard" and I need the scroll-lock-key to activate the backlight of it. in the console (e.g. strg+alt+f1) it works but under X it doesn's.. can anyone help me plz?
[12:44] <bob2> galorin: after 'sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable'
[12:44] <nalioth> G|Patrick: it's mighty rough, esp if you are using ppc or amd arches
[12:44] <bob2> Madeye: run it and see...
[12:45] <Madeye> jad@syntax:~ $ sudo pkill dhclient3
[12:45] <Madeye> Password:
[12:45] <Madeye> jad@syntax:~ $ ps aux | grep dhc
[12:45] <Madeye> jad      10112  0.0  0.0  1820  560 pts/2    R+   13:43   0:00 grep dhc
[12:45] <Madeye> ok, i'll see if it happen again thank you bob2
[12:45] <GNU-GPL> Madeye, no copy pastes please ;)
[12:45] <Madeye> k
[12:45] <G|Patrick> well... if shouldnt install the new ubuntu
[12:45] <G|Patrick> how can i solve my cracking sound issue?
[12:46] <markuman> whitch howto is earier to build deb packages? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28how%29%7C%28to%29%7C%28build%29%7C%28debian%29%7C%28packages%29 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch?highlight=%28how%29%7C%28to%29%7C%28build%29%7C%28debian%29%7C%28packages%29
[12:46] <ShadowStalker> G|Patrick, use ALSA instead of ESD/OSS ;)
[12:46] <bob2> markuman: wwww.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[12:46] <markuman> or are there more howtos?
[12:46] <G|Patrick> ShadowStalker: i tried
[12:46] <G|Patrick> nothing changed
[12:46] <G|Patrick> always there is cracking
[12:46] <G|Patrick> i dont know any further
[12:46] <ShadowStalker> G|Patrick, that's weird... is there a special driver for your Soundcard?
[12:47] <GNU-GPL> markuman, remember to use the versioning numbering of ubuntu intact
[12:47] <G|Patrick> there are only the defaults taht support envy audio
[12:48] <k31th> yo
[12:48] <GNU-GPL> oy
[12:48] <G|Patrick> misconfig of xorg?
[12:48] <ShadowStalker> sorry can't help ya then :(
[12:48] <galorin> bob2, now it's saying no such device..
[12:48] <G|Patrick> i hade to go into xorg to install the ati driver
[12:48] <bob2> galorin: perhaps there isn't
[12:48] <G|Patrick> not the latest
[12:48] <G|Patrick> the one before
[12:48] <bob2> galorin: they're really terrible devices, and need to be reset often
[12:48] <brownie17> does anybody know a good audio cd ripper?
[12:48] <bob2> galorin: sudo rmmod prism2_usb ; sudo modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1
[12:48] <brownie17> apart from sound juicer
[12:48] <bob2> brownie17: abcde
[12:48] <k31th> iv installed the server version of ubuntu on my laptop, however id like to install kde do i need to add repositorys in apt-get
[12:49] <brownie17> bob2: does it have a customisable rip speed?
[12:49] <galorin> bob2, only one I've got LOL.  I'll try that
[12:49] <bob2> brownie17: why would yo uwant to lower it?
[12:49] <bob2> k31th: no
[12:49] <bob2> galorin: it's all I had for a long time, too
[12:49] <GNU-GPL> k31th, search and find out
[12:49] <GNU-GPL> :P
[12:49] <brownie17> bob2: well, with sound jiucer its too slow. but i don't want it too fast or the sound is distorted
[12:49] <k31th> GNU-GPL: found loads under kde :p
[12:50] <bob2> brownie17: you should always be ripping with -z, anyway
[12:50] <GNU-GPL> k31th, so there's your answer then
[12:50] <GNU-GPL> :P
[12:50] <bob2> which will be slow
[12:50] <cusco> breezy is having every morning a whole bunch of updates! :))
[12:50] <brownie17> bob2: -z?
[12:50] <bob2> brownie17: "do not stop until you have ripped it perfectly"
[12:51] <VoX> what packages do i need to install into breezy to play gl games? GL screen savers work, but not ogl games. they complain that "glx" is not in xorg.conf, but it is. im using an nvidia card
[12:51] <ompaul> np
[12:51] <HrdwrBoB> !nvidia
[12:51] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:51] <nalioth> cusco: breezy has updates throughout the day
[12:51] <brownie17> bob2: oh ok, will sound juicer allready have that option on? and can i use smeg to edit the command in the shortcut to automatically do that in the menu item?
[12:51] <bob2> VoX: what video card?
[12:51] <bob2> brownie17: I do believe SJ already uses it
[12:51] <galorin> bob2, looks like prism2 isn't being associated with the wlan0 device.  Time to chek a few config files
[12:51] <VoX> ahhh the Wisdom of Bob :)
[12:51] <VoX> bob2: fx5200
[12:51] <bob2> galorin: remember that iwconfig will never work for you
[12:52] <bob2> galorin: look at dmesg
[12:52] <bob2> VoX: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <k31th> says package is not avalible :(
[12:52] <cusco> nalioth: sure
[12:53] <galorin> bob2, I just checked dmesg, and that's how I knew. I got it working under Slackware with ndiswrapper, but I demo linux on this laptop.
[12:53] <bob2> galorin: what does dmesg say?
[12:53] <brownie17> bob2: well i want it to be slightly faster, but still fairly good sound, how customisable is ABcDE?
[12:53] <bob2> brownie17: every competent cd ripping program on linux uses cdparanoia
[12:53] <bob2> brownie17: man cdaparanoia will tell you all the knobs you can tweak
[12:54] <brownie17> bob2: good on you
[12:54] <G|Patrick> the faq doesnt help
[12:54] <kenl> strange that 5.04 hoary works fine on my pc, but the live cd of 5.10 had problem with my screen
[12:55] <G|Patrick> no access to deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ Breezy main restricted
[12:55] <bob2> kenl: pleae do file bugs
[12:55] <brownie17> bob2: i am having an error running abcde, it is lookingfor a cd in the wrong drive, and i want to change it to the other drive, but it won't even open without a cd, how can i fix this?
[12:55] <kenl> bob2 how do i do a file bugs?
[12:55] <bob2> kenl: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:55] <kenl> thanks
[12:55] <bob2> brownie17: what does "it" mean?
[12:55] <bob2> brownie17: also, /etc/abdcde.conf
[12:56] <galorin> bob2, prism2usb_init:prism2_usb.o loaded, dev info is:prsm2_usb, something about corereset not supported on 2.5/2.6 kernel, then usbcore regestiring new driver.  No mention of device wlan0
[12:56] <GNU-GPL> kenl, be a complete as you can on your bug submission
[12:56] <GNU-GPL> :)
[12:56] <brownie17> bob2: sorry, ABCDE
[12:56] <bob2> galorin: that's not surprising
[12:57] <kenl> GNU-GPL: with pc configuration and the specific problem and what stage and all then?
[12:57] <GNU-GPL> kenl, right
[12:57] <GNU-GPL> :)
[12:57] <kenl> ok
[12:57] <GNU-GPL> the more info the better
[12:57] <GNU-GPL> :)
[12:57] <kenl> no problem :)
[12:58] <galorin> So if iwtools won't work, I'll wager that the nifty GUI tools that I want to document won't work either
[12:58] <orangey> Hey all!
[12:59] <GNU-GPL> hi
[12:59] <bob2> not unless someone bothered to make them do so
[12:59] <bob2> which is fairlu unlikely
[12:59] <G|Patrick> why cant i upgrade via apt-get?
[12:59] <GNU-GPL> G|Patrick, ?
[12:59] <orangey> I was wondering how I could get my synaptics touchpad going.. it isn't "auto-detected" at the kernel level, though the driver is there at the xorg.conf level (i.e., my xorg.conf config is OK, but my kernel config isn't)
[01:00] <G|Patrick> GNU-GPL: i was led to the upgradebreezy site
[01:00] <orangey> what modules should be loaded, for example? or is it part of the psmouse driver?
[01:00] <G|Patrick> i added deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ Breezy main restricted
[01:00] <G|Patrick> updated the database
[01:00] <bob2> G|Patrick: which is incorrect
[01:00] <bob2> breezy != Breezy
[01:00] <G|Patrick> but i always get errors that i have no accese to that
[01:00] <G|Patrick> i used copy and paste
[01:01] <G|Patrick> are u telling me that the faq is wrong?
[01:01] <GNU-GPL> !upgrade2breezy
[01:01] <ubotu> The guilde to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:01] <galorin> bob2, thanks for that bit, I'll keep pressing on
[01:01] <G|Patrick> there u find written "Breezy"
[01:01] <bob2> then it's wrong
[01:01] <bob2> BreezyUpgradeNotes is the only vaguely official one, anyway
[01:03] <orangey> anybody using a synaptics touchpad in hoary?
[01:03] <aftertaf> orangey:  yep.
[01:03] <aftertaf> OOTB it worked.
[01:04] <GNU-GPL> G|Patrick, well it should be non caps
[01:05] <orangey> aftertaf: what kind?
[01:05] <orangey> aftertaf: mine doesn't and hasn't.. I'm wondering if maybe I'm no tloading a module..
[01:06] <G|Patrick> i changed to "breezy"
[01:06] <G|Patrick> not i worx
[01:06] <G|Patrick> thx
[01:06] <G|Patrick> sorry for complaining
[01:06] <aftertaf> orangey:  dont think so for the module...
[01:06] <G|Patrick> i should follow "the guide"
[01:07] <G|Patrick> it says dont panic on tis back
[01:07] <aftertaf> its in xorg.conf that it worked ... you checked the bios, etc...
[01:07] <G|Patrick> ;) ;)
[01:07] <aftertaf> orangey:  mine wont work if i have an external ps2 mouse connected. (like now)
[01:07] <galorin> Oh, what would be a good wifi card to get, either pcmcia or usb?
[01:08] <G|Patrick> intel oder 3com
[01:08] <G|Patrick> anything else is crap
[01:08] <orangey> aftertaf: how do I know if I need that ALPS patch?
[01:08] <orangey> hmm. maybe I'll do the patch and see if that changes anything..
[01:09] <aftertaf> no idea orangey ... never used it.
[01:09] <aftertaf> is it decettec
[01:09] <Bergcube> I have a Cisco Aironet wifi card that works flawlessly.
[01:09] <aftertaf> detected..
[01:10] <orangey> huh?
[01:10] <orangey> detected by what?
[01:10] <G|Patrick> btw. are there files which dont need an update...
[01:10] <aftertaf> er... by linux ;)
[01:11] <G|Patrick> it will load at least 40 minutes X-D
[01:11] <VoX> HrdwrBoB: cheers, that did the trick
[01:11] <aftertaf> i cant remember what command was to test, a bit like lspci....
[01:12] <kenl> its gnume that it loads into on default right?
[01:15] <G|Patrick> hi
[01:16] <G|Patrick> next Qestion: how to adjust the clock so that it doesnt modify the bios clock everytime +2h
[01:17] <G|Patrick> not its 13:15 and linux says its gmt+2 compared to the biostime that already was gmt+2 :(
[01:17] <bob2> then fix your BIOS to store the time in GMT
[01:17] <bob2> or edit /etc/default/rcS
[01:17] <bob2> not that you only have that problem because yo utold it the wrong answer to bewgin with
[01:18] <G|Patrick> bob2: my bios hasnt the option
[01:20] <aftertaf> bob2:  its weird, my home PC is doing the same...
[01:20] <aftertaf> I boot into XP from time to time and it has the wrong time, i update and shutdown... then linux has the wrong time....
[01:20] <bob2> it's not a BIOD option
[01:20] <bob2> bah
[01:20] <bob2> your bios has a clock
[01:20] <bob2> it stores the time
[01:20] <G|Patrick> sure
[01:20] <aftertaf> In the BIOS it has the correct time, and no timezone option.
[01:20] <thoreauputic> rerun base-config
[01:21] <G|Patrick> but if i start windows its changed
[01:21] <bob2> for every non-windows OS, it stores the time in GMT
[01:21] <bob2> windows insists on it being in local time
[01:21] <bob2> the BIOS does not store what timezone you are in
[01:21] <aftertaf> hehe, so change zindows time setting, right?
[01:21] <bob2> hilarity ensues
[01:21] <thoreauputic> *cough*
[01:21] <bob2> windows has no option to handle GMT hardware clocks, afaik
[01:21] <thoreauputic> rerun base-config ans change your answer tothe time question
[01:22] <thoreauputic> *and
[01:22] <bob2> the only solution if you run windows is to set the hardware clock to locltime, and tell ubuntu that
[01:22] <bob2> right, what thoreauputic said
[01:22] <ompaul> bob2, is that not 'windows has no option' and we just leave it there?
[01:24] <aftertaf> bob2:  i found the other solution good too.... never reboot in Zin again ;)
[01:25] <G|Patrick> i set utc=no
[01:26] <G|Patrick> is that localtime?
[01:28] <G|Patrick> ???
[01:29] <thoreauputic> G|Patrick: what do yu think? There are only two possibilities
[01:30] <thoreauputic> if you change it, you set your timezone in the relevant place by choosing where you live
[01:31] <G|Patrick> i am not sure
[01:32] <G|Patrick> coze i am looking for a setting like clock=local
[01:32] <G|Patrick> btw. utc= universal tmezone compensation?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> either it *is* utc, or it *isn't*
[01:33] <thoreauputic> it's that simple
[01:33] <G|Patrick> kk
[01:33] <thoreauputic> if you dual boot windows, obviously you want utc=no
[01:33] <G|Patrick> kk
[01:34] <thoreauputic> then you tell the config where you live, and that's it...
[01:34] <G|Patrick> ok
[01:34] <G|Patrick> i did :D
[01:34] <thoreauputic> OK :D
[01:34] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:36] <Alex_BO> HELLO! Who can advice me a good open source program to make web pages?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Alex_BO: I'm guessing you want wysiwig ?
[01:37] <G|Patrick> use a text editor and css
[01:37] <G|Patrick> .D
[01:37] <G|Patrick> tutorials can be faound at selfhtml.org
[01:38] <Alex_BO> thoreauputic: i would like to create web pages, but i don't feel like to learn html
[01:38] <thoreauputic> if so, mozilla composer or nvu <-- wysiwyg
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Alex_BO: see above
[01:38] <G|Patrick> try to learn there and u will elarn much more than by using a wysiwyg
[01:38] <prower> Alex_BO: I use Quanta for most of that stuff, it works well
[01:39] <thoreauputic> !tell Alex_BO about nvu
[01:40] <Alex_BO> thoreauputic: okey, so... mozilla composer or nvu? what are the pros and cons?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> pro: easy con: you don't learn anything
[01:40] <aftertaf> Alex_BO:  get and install both and make your own mind up....
[01:40] <thoreauputic> the two are very similar
[01:41] <sml> what is the official kde name of the kde network tool - the one to setup WLAN and ETH etc?
[01:41] <Alex_BO> thoreauputic: okey.thanks very much
[01:41] <gorilla_> Alex_BO, learn html rather than driving a GUI.
[01:41] <thoreauputic> nvu is based on mozilla composer
[01:42] <aftertaf> !breezy
[01:42] <nalioth_zZz> thoreauputic: based on composer, brought to you by Linspire, heh
[01:42] <Alex_BO> gorilla_: that would be a better thing, but i have no time and i wanna make a little web site
[01:42] <thoreauputic> nalioth_zZz: correct
[01:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:43] <moleman> woo
[01:43] <moleman> hello
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Alex_BO: you'll find it's useful to use the html features anyway ( especially for cleaning up the code)
[01:43] <reiki> <--- has been making web pages since before there were even pictures on the web... it was text only :)
[01:43] <reiki> <--- old
[01:44] <ompaul> reiki, archie veronica gopher
[01:44] <ompaul> or pre that
[01:44] <reiki> ompaul: exactly... there was no altavista or google :)
[01:44] <moleman> how do ya go about changing the version # in firefox so you can access the extensions page?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> moleman:  open about:config and search for subvendor , edit the string
[01:45] <snorks> reiki: have url to a page you've made?
[01:45] <reiki> moleman: there's a link right on the page that you get to that says you need to have a different version.
[01:46] <moleman> I'm a newbie to Linux, thoreauputic, how do I open that ?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> moleman: sorry vendorsub
[01:46] <thoreauputic> type about:config in firefox
[01:46] <moleman> ah
[01:46] <thoreauputic> in the location field
[01:46] <moleman> yeah
[01:46] <thoreauputic> use the search box at the top left
[01:46] <reiki> snorks: everything I do now is database driven pretty much. Except for the one for work which uses a text->database api. My own site is due for updating and the work one is www.ubmicro.buffalo.edu. My personal one is www.yardbird.net
[01:47] <ompaul> moleman, see the address bar write 'about:config' in there and see what happens
[01:47] <moleman> I did, problem solved
[01:47] <moleman> thanks for that one
[01:47] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:48] <snorks> reiki: cool
[01:48] <moleman> hmm
[01:48] <ompaul> s/and/an
[01:48] <snorks> reiki: although i did notice a (perhaps?) typo:/ maybe its intentional, but the link to ubuntu linux on the right is called "Obuntu Linux"
[01:48] <reiki> snorks: I kinda got out of doing pages for others when I had my accident in 2001. I never really got back into it as a business
[01:49] <nalioth_zZz> vegemite?
[01:49] <reiki> oh! I can fix that
[01:49] <moleman> hey, do you know to fix up my wireless keyboard so it activates earlier in the boot up process?
[01:49] <Sionide> mmm vegemite is nice
[01:49] <Sionide> pity they don't sell it here anymore..
[01:49] <moleman> because otherwise I have to grab a wired one plug it in and use it to select the OS
[01:50] <ompaul> nalioth_zZz, stuff you spread on bread the .au peanut butter if you will - different taste - very different
[01:50] <aftertaf> moleman:  can you use it to get into the bios?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> moleman: no idea - my network has two yoghurt cups connected with string ;-)
[01:50] <moleman> odly, yes
[01:50] <reiki> snorks: fixed... thanks!
[01:50] <draug_n> what do i need to enable in the kernel config to get a framebuffered console?
[01:51] <reiki> time to go to work... see y'all from there
[01:51] <Whistler> :)
[01:53] <moleman> aftertaf: any idea?
[01:55] <nalioth_zZz> thoreauputic the entertainer
[01:55] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :) ('twas a good moment to join) (PS: You're /away atm)
[01:56] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:56] <thoreauputic> :) back
[01:58] <aftertaf> moleman:  nope.... apart from checking and enabling all possible settings in BOIS.
[01:58] <moleman> damn
[01:58] <moleman> another question. Kopete. How the fark does one install it?
[01:59] <nalioth_zZz> moleman: open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install kopete"
[01:59] <aftertaf> lool, but thoreauputic, who are "the followers of Mammon" ?
[01:59] <draug_n> corporate money-grabbers :)
[01:59] <aftertaf> nice one from beyond the pillow nalioth_zZz ;)
[01:59] <draug_n> indeed..
[01:59] <nalioth_zZz> thoreauputic: aftertaf: no religious talk in here, please
[02:00] <thoreauputic> hahah
[02:00] <aftertaf> off to te pick?
[02:00] <aftertaf> toepick?
[02:00] <aftertaf> hehehe.
[02:00] <az[a] zel> hey, anyone using the mplayer-mozilla plugin: this site seems to not work properly: www.onegoodmove.org/1gm. the quicktime elements are meant to be "click to play", but they all just start playing. :) oh well
[02:02] <thoreauputic> moleman: dpkg -S says the package is called " kopete" , funnily enough...
[02:02] <az[a] zel> btw, with windows network sharing. does one have to run "smbpasswd" at the command line manually to add oneself to the samba users list, or is there a GUI way to do it?
[02:02] <Vektram> can anyone help me with apache2?
[02:03] <Vektram> it's simple really, my web server redirects from the root /var/www/ folder to /var/www/apache-2-default even when the apache web folder doesn't exist
[02:03] <Vektram> there's an index.php in my main directory
[02:04] <aftertaf> ahhhhh, the joys of internet:
[02:04] <aftertaf> It's a word of Aramaic origin, meaning something like 'riches' or, by personification, 'money-god'.
[02:04] <twibbler> dooglus: version 2.5.1 of grep have a wonderful quote of its inability to cope with UTF ..
[02:04] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: you missed Sunday school or sabbath school I guess :)
[02:05] <aftertaf> ohhh yeah! big time.
[02:05] <nalioth_zZz> thoreauputic: aftertaf: please
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :) No escape for me - preacher's son :)
[02:05] <aftertaf> nalioth_zZz:  eh? what? ;)
[02:06] <nalioth_zZz> thoreauputic: aftertaf: religious talk (including money worship) in #ubunbu-offtopic please
[02:06] <thoreauputic> nalioth_zZz: are you serious? This is just light-hearted banter
[02:06] <aftertaf> hmmm... Should I upgrade to breezy now, or wait until october the 14th?
[02:07] <nalioth_zZz>  thoreauputic there are many religions in the world. do you know which ones your 'light-hearted-banter' will offend?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> nalioth_zZz: erm - escuse me but the word "mammon" is just an english word with no necessary religious connotation
[02:08] <spike> hi there
[02:08] <twibbler> dooglus: the bug has been introduced ..... in the latest version ... so trying to sort out the fix .... which we think is a rewrite of grep .....
[02:09] <moleman> thats like saying Jesus is just an english word with no necessary religious connotation but when you read it you think of the son of god
[02:10] <moleman> goes hand in hand with Mammon
[02:10] <Hoxzer> hi
[02:10] <moleman> buh bye
[02:10] <spike> uhm, reading from the breezy release announcement:
[02:10] <spike> a commitment to security updates
[02:10] <spike> for 18 months
[02:10] <spike> I thought the support was for 5 years...
[02:11] <pitti> spike: for breezy+1
[02:11] <spike> iirc I read so somewhere on the ubuntu website
[02:11] <wickedpuppy> where can i get the source for kubuntu-default-setttings |?
[02:11] <Vektram> can anyone help?
[02:11] <aftertaf> first time ive evrer heard the word, to be honest...
[02:12] <Hoxzer> I just accidently deleted my chroot folder and I tried to recover one file with the stellar phoenix ext3 and linux quick recovery, but they were not able to find files so do you think I should just format the partition and reinstall ubuntu or try to recover the file with some other software?
[02:12] <spike> pitti: sorry? u meant 18 months are just for breezy since it's not stable?
[02:12] <spike> s/since/because/
[02:13] <pitti> spike: it will be stable, but warty, hoary, and breezy will all get 18 months
[02:13] <pitti> spike: breezy+1 will get an extended time
[02:13] <aftertaf> same sentence...
[02:13] <spike> pitti: ah, ok, I c. tnx
[02:14] <spike> also, on the announcement I read dvds are available, but I can see just install/live CDs...
[02:15] <xtr3> is Breezy preview good to download than previous version?
[02:16] <a8o> hey, how're you all doing?
[02:16] <a8o> is there anybody here who could help me out?
[02:16] <bimberi> xtr3: if you want a stable system, go for hoary
[02:18] <xtr3> ok ty
[02:18] <spike> anybody got breezy dvd?
[02:18] <twibbler> dooglus: Have a solution ....
[02:18] <Hoxzer> :D nobody wants to give their opinion about my problem
[02:18] <a8o> i tried installing ununtu 5.04 on my laptop (toshiba te2100) but didn't realise the ac power wasnt plugged in, the battery ran down and now it won't recognise when the ac power is in to recharge it...is this normal?
[02:19] <Hoxzer> 'well I already re wrote it but it wasn't as good as it was then :(
[02:19] <Hoxzer> :E I'm afraid I just should format it ...
[02:19] <a8o> ie would ubuntu support my ac adapter? my only option at the moment i guess is to have someobdy else recharge me battery for me
[02:19] <Hoxzer> its only two lessons  :E
[02:20] <glDaher> I have hoary installed, and I keep it up to date with the update manager... do I have breezy now, or shall I download the iso and update?
[02:21] <nalioth> glDaher: you can change some text entries in one of your files, to upgrade
[02:21] <xtr3> can u help me what best alternative or program to run windows games? or OS more stable?
[02:21] <mercurus> Greetings all
[02:22] <a8o> i guess ill have to come back later and ask another time when there's more people around
[02:22] <a8o> thanks anyways
[02:22] <Hoxzer> aaasrgh :D give me some advices :
[02:22] <aftertaf> a8o:  hardwarepb...
[02:22] <auTONYmous> I'm getting a "failed to run <whatever app> as user root: Child terminated with 207 status" error
[02:22] <auTONYmous> anybody know what that is?
[02:22] <glDaher> nalioth: thanks, but is there any document that can help me upgrade?
[02:23] <glDaher> I don't want to re-install the whole system
[02:23] <xtr3> Advice on windows games? APPS?
[02:23] <nalioth> !tell glDaher about upgrade2breezy
[02:24] <glDaher> cool, nice bot there :)
[02:24] <Whistler> !upgrade2breezy
[02:24] <ubotu> The guilde to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:24] <Whistler>  guilde
[02:24] <Whistler> should be guide
[02:24] <a8o> afteraf: yeah, hardware problem, but i dunno if anybody has a quick workaround
[02:24] <a8o> i can get like 30 secs of power out of it, a cd i could put in to make it work or something
[02:24] <a8o> who knows
[02:27] <bimberi> ubotu: no, upgrade2breezy is <reply> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:27] <ubotu> bimberi: okay
[02:27] <sorush20> how can I reinstall and reset my configuration files for gnome from the KDE desktop
[02:29] <ompaul> sorush20, there is a kludge but first what did you do to bend/break the original setups (this will allow me consider if what I have matchs your requirement)
[02:29] <glDaher> question, must I change every word hoary in the sources.lst file to breezy ?
[02:29] <glDaher> or just the first one?
[02:29] <bimberi> glDaher: all of them
[02:30] <Earthen> Is breezy stable at the moment?
[02:30] <ompaul> !breezy
[02:30] <CaiN_SA> lol
[02:30] <ompaul> !tell Earthen about breezy
[02:31] <ompaul> CaiN_SA, where is the joke?
[02:31] <CaiN_SA> Earthen, no its not. It wil ll be stable when its released
[02:31] <Earthen> I guess that was a stuped question!
[02:31] <pow3r> i am breezy, it s very good
[02:31] <CaiN_SA> its not 100% stable
[02:31] <glDaher> !tell glDaher about breezy
[02:32] <G|Patrick> does somebody know mplayer debs?
[02:32] <sorush20> ompaul: I installed kde and then started using it but then I choose to keep the genome desktop manager and now I can't load the gnome but I can load the KDE, the gnome keeps flashing and there are errors visible..
[02:32] <Earthen> I would expect it to be 100% nothing is 100% but is it crashing like 10 times a day?
[02:32] <sorush20> ompaul: the error flashes back and forth and I can 't read it
[02:32] <ompaul> CaiN_SA, this is true however I can say that I have no problems running Linux dhcppc0 2.6.12-8-386 #1 Tue Aug 30 22:41:30 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux (so far anyway)
[02:32] <Earthen> wouldn't*
[02:33] <ompaul> sorush20, how did you install kde
[02:33] <GNU-GPL> G|patrick, it's in the repos
[02:33] <sorush20> from synaptic.. just downloaded KDE
[02:33] <CaiN_SA> ompaul, you may not have, neither do i but, other hardware might :(
[02:34] <sorush20> ompaul: from synaptic
[02:34] <ompaul> CaiN_SA, ergo the comment that I had the bot pass on
[02:34] <transparentdream> Where's the CD burner in ubuntu?
[02:35] <mjr> transparentdream, open a file manager window, open menu Places
[02:35] <bimberi> transparentdream: Nautilus (the file manager) will burn CDs
[02:35] <X7C> trans you have to use nautilus's one
[02:35] <CaiN_SA> or
[02:35] <CaiN_SA> install k3b :D
[02:35] <X7C> but I recommend that you use k3b
[02:35] <CaiN_SA> heh
[02:35] <mjr> transparentdream, there's the burner. Or of course you can install a more full-featured one if you need, eg. gnomebaker
[02:35] <ompaul> sorush20, you could try to remove kde and see if your back to normal operations - you should be able to choose gnome before you login via something with a name like 'session choose' its exact name escapes me at,
[02:35] <transparentdream> uh apt-get gnomebaker?
[02:36] <X7C> apt-get install gnomebaker
[02:36] <mjr> transparentdream, yah, except you forgot the "install" in between :)
[02:36] <CaiN_SA> transparentdream,  sudo apt-get install k3b
[02:36] <mercurus> ompaul: session manager ... sorush20 is kdm or gdm running, or both ?
[02:36] <ppd> hello. does anyone know how to solve the problem with the rtl8139 and breezy?
[02:36] <transparentdream> AHHwhich is better k3b or gnomenaker
[02:36] <sorush20> ompaul: I don't want to lose kde I want to keep it..
[02:36] <X7C> k3b is more featured
[02:36] <CaiN_SA> mercurus, kdm and gdm cant both run
[02:36] <fhl0e> mono 1.1.9 on hoary, should that work?
[02:36] <X7C> and it won't work (at least for me) with external usb devices
[02:36] <transparentdream> can i use k3b even though i use gnome
[02:36] <X7C> !
[02:36] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, X7C
[02:37] <transparentdream> cause i thought it would ony work with kde
[02:37] <X7C> that last part is a bout gnomebaker
[02:37] <ompaul> mercurus, guess gdm
[02:37] <CaiN_SA> yes transparentdream
[02:37] <transparentdream> ok thanks
[02:37] <transparentdream> ah
[02:37] <transparentdream> ubuntu
[02:37] <transparentdream> never ceases to amaze me
[02:37] <X7C> :p
[02:37] <mik3_> lol, then just wait until you come accross and OS that requires thought =P
[02:38] <mik3_> a/and/an
[02:38] <ompaul> sorush20, well if you can press the print screen maybe you can put the pic on the web (paste.ubuntulinux.nl) and we might be able to see what the error is
[02:38] <CaiN_SA> has nothing to do with ubuntu its always been like that transparentdream
[02:38] <mercurus> hmm ... is it just me or is Soundjuicer quite slow when importing tracks ?
[02:38] <transparentdream> lol
[02:38] <transparentdream> then linux
[02:38] <CaiN_SA> thx :D
[02:38] <mercurus> transgress: GNOME :)
[02:38] <sorush20> ompaul: that is exactly the problem, I can't see the error it just flashes and I can't press print screen fast enough..
[02:38] <X7C> :S
[02:39] <X7C> damn i'm late for school :(
[02:39] <X7C> and i don't want to go...
[02:39] <gorilla> X7C: start running then :-)
[02:39] <transparentdream> It says I need cdrdao
[02:39] <transparentdream> what is that
[02:39] <Red_Bullet> how can i allow some ports
[02:39] <Red_Bullet> ?
[02:40] <ompaul> X7C, go, this will be here later
[02:40] <X7C> it's the app that actually burns the stuff
[02:40] <X7C> but the comfy bed will not
[02:40] <X7C> :(
[02:40] <evader> is there some sort of alarm application? for gnome preferably? maybe something that could start playing music??
[02:41] <mik3_> alarm for what?
[02:41] <mik3_> when your parents find your porn cache?
[02:41] <Red_Bullet> how can i allow apache port
[02:41] <evader> mik3_: sorry, i meant an alarm clock
[02:41] <ompaul> X7C, you get one chance at Mon 12th Sept - use it or loose it
[02:42] <Red_Bullet> port 80 ?
[02:42] <madicode> heyas
[02:42] <mik3_> evader : i'd google something along the lines of "linux alarm clock" then apt-cache search for the application
[02:42] <anto9us> evader: cron will run a scheduled command
[02:43] <mik3_> ah or go with the blatently and conveniently obvious, sorry hehe
[02:43] <madicode> I have installed ubuntu, and set it up etc, running fine for me (breezy)..  I do have one question though, the backports repo, is there one for breezy?
[02:44] <sorush20> why do some programs spontaneously terminate
[02:44] <Red_Bullet> please help me how can i allow ports
[02:44] <mik3_> sorush20 : what programs?
[02:44] <X7C> evader use dron
[02:45] <X7C> *cron
[02:45] <anto9us> Red_Bullet: only root can open ports below 1000
[02:45] <mik3_> sorush20 : i get the same problem unfortunately with gFTP and bmp
[02:45] <evader> cron and mpd or something?? yeah I could - i was just after a little gnome applet if possible though
[02:45] <X7C> oh
[02:45] <X7C> dunno anything about that
[02:48] <madicode> there is a graphical cron tab editor for gnome to make it easier..  http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnome-crontab/?topic_id=58
[02:49] <evader> thanks
[02:49] <evader> i'm fine with crontab
[02:49] <evader> just was after an applet...
[02:49] <evader> but thanks
[02:49] <madicode> oh ok.. :)
[02:49] <mercurus> evader: xmms is available in universe ...
[02:49] <mercurus> it has an alarm applet
[02:49] <sorush20> mik3_: I get the same problem with Open office.. which I am no longer able to run on the computer for unknown reasons... and also firefox..
[02:49] <mercurus> err, plugin.
[02:51] <sorush20> why does firefox persist to use the inadequate gnome save as dialogue, even though I am log into KDE and would prefer the KDE dialogue
[02:56] <anto9us> evader: I don't know how good it is but you might want to look at gcrontab, it's in universe
[02:56] <auTONYmous> okay, I'm still getting the user permissions problem...
[02:57] <CaiN_SA> sorush20, uhm its not gnome anything firefox is made with gtk etc thus it wont look like kde
[02:58] <evader> thanks
[02:58] <mercurus> I have to say Breezy looks fantastic ... can't wait to get it onto my laptop ...
[03:01] <DewDude> breezy is nice
[03:01] <DewDude> thus far it's been stable too
[03:01] <cusco> how do I see my mac address?
[03:01] <mercurus> cusco: ifconfig
[03:01] <auTONYmous> I've had a couple of little minor things with Breezy so far
[03:02] <mercurus> DewDude: I'm writing my dissertation on my laptop so I'll wait until its VERY stable, and submitted before changing anything on my laptop
[03:02] <cusco> mercurus: ty
[03:02] <anto9us> cusco: ifconfig
[03:02] <catfox> whats the power management like in breezy? suspend/hibernate has never worked for me on my laptops
[03:02] <DewDude> heh
[03:02] <DewDude> mercurus, http://itux.ath.cx/phpsysinfo <---hasn't crashed since i installed
[03:03] <mercurus> catfox: not sure about Breezy, but a bit of tweaking with ACPI and I've got all bar monitor switching working
[03:03] <mercurus> that's with a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel ...
[03:03] <catfox> ah. no time to fiddle about with anything these days. if it doesn't work right away it either stays broken or i use suse :)
[03:04] <mercurus> suspend to ram, disk, dynamic clock GPU, cpu frequency scanning, screen blanking, HDD spindown, brightness screen dynamically controlled, although hotswapping IDE devices is a but fraught
[03:04] <mercurus> *bit
[03:05] <catfox> is 'hotswapping', changing a device while the system is powered up?
[03:05] <DewDude> catfox, yes
[03:05] <mercurus> catfox: yeah ... removing a DVD drive and putting in an extra battery or another HDD
[03:05] <mercurus> for example
[03:06] <catfox> mint! so i could take the video card or sound card out and put another one in, and a) wont get electrocuted, and b) have working devices without rebooting?
[03:06] <dazvid> cef: where in VIC ?
[03:07] <DewDude> catfox, no
[03:07] <cef> so any issues with core bits of breezy at the moment?
[03:07] <DewDude> you can't swap cards in a desktop while it's powered up
[03:07] <catfox> i see
[03:07] <DewDude> you'll a) damage your card
[03:07] <cef> dazvid: Melbourne.. Alphington
[03:07] <DewDude> b) blow stuff up
[03:07] <mercurus> catfox: theoretically ... there is some kernel support for hotswapping PCI devices ... but I'm thinking more of fixed components from laptops with specific hotplugging support
[03:07] <dazvid> Ah, frankston here -_-
[03:07] <catfox> i get it. thanks
[03:07] <cef> DewDude: depends on the desktop, but in most normal cases, yes
[03:07] <DewDude> mercurrus: most desktop motherboards wont' allow hotwapping PCI devices
[03:08] <DewDude> mine won't
[03:08] <DewDude> it even says in the manual to not even try it
[03:09] <cef> PCI hotswap is supported (you can blame Rusty Russell for that!), but it does require you to have PCI hotswap hardware (mainboard)
[03:09] <DewDude> why would anyone want to hotwap a pci device anyway?
[03:09] <cef> hardware failure
[03:09] <DewDude> heh
[03:09] <DewDude> true
[03:09] <DewDude> i know mine won't do it, if a PCI card even slips out of socket the mobo locks up
[03:10] <DewDude> my wireless card is famous for doing that after my tower fell off it's desk
[03:11] <aboyousif> hi folks
[03:13] <aboyousif> any one here?
[03:13] <cusco> no
[03:13] <aboyousif> :)
[03:13] <aboyousif> ok if any one came, tell him that i waited him alot .. ok?
[03:13] <Bateau_> hey! how do i uninstall a package?
[03:14] <cef> 'apt-get remove package-name' or use synaptic
[03:14] <aboyousif> cef: did the ubuntu support arabic?
[03:14] <Bateau_> oki :)
[03:15] <cef> aboyousif: I think it does, but I don't speak arabic, so really, I don't know
[03:16] <aboyousif> how could i know that, i didn't get it yet
[03:16] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to make ubuntu backup important files to  FTP every day?
[03:17] <cef> anyone here running breezy previews? and if so, have you upgraded today? any issues to report?
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> and .. a few, but nothing show stopping
[03:18] <cef> anything particular?
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> not that I can remember offhand
[03:18] <CaiN_SA> DewDude, pci express = fully hotpluggable
[03:18] <DewDude> Cain: is it?
[03:19] <DewDude> i haven't looked at it yet
[03:19] <DewDude> i'm still a ways off from upgrading. i'm gonna squeeze another year out of my current board
[03:19] <CaiN_SA> yup, lots faster and thats one of its features
[03:19] <CaiN_SA> i have to save $$$$$ then i can upgrade to a whole new pc
[03:19] <DewDude> i knew it was faster
[03:19] <DewDude> yeah
[03:20] <DewDude> my tower is two years old now
[03:20] <DewDude> well, almost
[03:20] <DewDude> sometime in octover
[03:20] <DewDude> october
[03:20] <DewDude> ok, i'm off to refill my water bottle
[03:32] <wickedpuppy> gpg: skipped "Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[03:32] <wickedpuppy> anyone know how to solve this problem ???
[03:33] <wickedpuppy> i am using kubuntu-default-settings
[03:33] <bob2> a) #kubuntu, b) gpg --search-keys jr@jriddell
[03:35] <deFrysk> c) I prefer gnome ;p
[03:35] <wickedpuppy> bob whats ya .gnupg folder's permission setting ??? i getting this errror
[03:35] <wickedpuppy> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/billy/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[03:35] <bob2> then make it only readable by you
[03:35] <[PG] _Sinnlos> leute wie mach ich nen update von hoary auf breezy ? mglichst ohne die daten auf den platten zu verlieren
[03:35] <bob2> please don't tell me /home is on fat or something
[03:35] <wickedpuppy> it is chmod to 500
[03:35] <hiux> yo but i prefer xfce
[03:35] <wickedpuppy> nope
[03:36] <bob2> [PG] _Sinnlos: this is pretty clearly not a german channel
[03:36] <wickedpuppy> ext3
[03:36] <deFrysk> hiux, xfce4 is also gtk2
[03:36] <[PG] _Sinnlos> sorry
[03:36] <deFrysk> hiux, lets say I prefer gtk2 :)
[03:37] <hiux> :)
[03:37] <[PG] _Sinnlos> people such as Mach I an update of hoary on breezy? if possible without losing the data on the plates
[03:37] <hiux> xfce is more lighter
[03:37] <bob2> !+german
[03:37] <ubotu> No idea, bob2
[03:37] <bob2> !+de
[03:37] <ubotu> it has been said that de is #ubuntu-de bitte.
[03:38] <deFrysk> hiux, more lighter is a double (whateverthename is)
[03:38] <CaiN_SA> or
[03:38] <CaiN_SA> he can say : much lighter
[03:38] <deFrysk> CaiN_SA, would do yes :)
[03:39] <hiux> yes, forgive my bad English
[03:39] <CaiN_SA> har har
[03:39] <__filip_> i have install ubuntu 5,10, when i installed it i dont have any interntet connection so i dont download the language packages. How can i download it now?
[03:39] <deFrysk> :D
[03:40] <wickedpuppy> ah eh .... any help to my question about ah
[03:40] <wickedpuppy> ???
[03:40] <bob2> wtf
[03:40] <wickedpuppy> anyone got the settings right ??
[03:40] <bob2> if you have a question ask, using full sentences and words
[03:40] <secureboot> is there a good place to go to find out the current level of support for the newest dual G5 machines under Ubuntu?
[03:40] <secureboot> my won't boot from the live cd, so I'm wondering if Ubuntu will even install
[03:40] <wickedpuppy> oh k ... i thought i asked ... well whats the right permission settings for the .gnupg ??
[03:40] <deFrysk> ubuntu-motu perhaps?
[03:41] <hiux> __filip_,  do you have another system?
[03:41] <bob2> drwx------  4 rob rob 4096 2005-09-12 20:12 /home/rob/.gnupg
[03:41] <bob2> wickedpuppy: ^
[03:41] <lorenzod> I've got a few issues with Breezy/Gnome as of Saturday.
[03:41] <__filip_> hiux: no
[03:41] <lorenzod> Specifically, nautilus and gnome-panel are eating all my core.
[03:41] <wickedpuppy> thanks
[03:41] <thrush_2> quick question does 'workgroup' in smb.conf = domain?
[03:41] <lorenzod> Anybody else experiencing this?
[03:42] <bob2> thrush_2: no, it's a windows concept
[03:42] <bob2> lorenzod: nothing in the bts?
[03:43] <setite> how do i change my sound output device./.. i keep doing it but it wont change
[03:43] <CaiN_SA> thrush_2, a workgroup and a domain aint the same thing, not even in doze
[03:44] <deFrysk> setite, kde ?
[03:44] <setite> YA
[03:45] <deFrysk> then I am not sure
[03:45] <deFrysk> sorry
[03:45] <setite> gah!
[03:45] <setite> np
[03:45] <setite> oooh i think i know.. maybe brother konqueror
[03:45] <deFrysk> setite, all I know is that when i used kde i had the soundserver off
[03:45] <lorenzod> bob2: I'm suspecting prelaunch.
[03:46] <deFrysk> arts is a pain
[03:46] <CaiN_SA> arts is not a pain
[03:46] <bob2> lorenzod: prelink?
[03:46] <deFrysk> CaiN_SA, then things have changed
[03:46] <CaiN_SA> you must just set everything right thenn it works very nice
[03:46] <setite> yea well see i have a stereo.. and it has USB...
[03:46] <CaiN_SA> multiple apps can sue the sound so thats real kewl
[03:47] <lorenzod> bob2: No, prelaunch.
[03:47] <setite> but i want to use my audigy2zs now... but no matter what i select the sb in the stero still outputs
[03:47] <lorenzod> Haven't used prelink on Ubuntu yet.
[03:47] <brunolima> need help installing iptables
[03:48] <brunolima> root@brunolima:/home/bruno # modprobe iptables
[03:48] <brunolima> FATAL: Module iptables not found.
[03:48] <setite> shit my soundcard documentation is in .chm
[03:48] <setite> anyone know what linux app can read those?
[03:48] <lorenzod> Anyways, bob2, I guess you are on an up-to-date Breezy?
[03:48] <hiux> why cant bmp player some wma music? i have many wma format music, but only 2 can played using bmp.
[03:49] <bob2> setite: xchm
[03:49] <bob2> brunolima: you don't need to do that
[03:49] <bob2> lorenzod: no
[03:49] <lorenzod> Ah, ok.
[03:50] <setite> thanks bob2
[03:50] <brunolima> bob2, why ?
[03:50] <bob2> brunolima: because that's a made up module name
[03:50] <qmanman> good god, why the hell is gstreamer such a joke
[03:51] <qmanman> cant even play avi files for gods sake
[03:51] <j4v4m4n> qmanman: use xine
[03:51] <bob2> qmanman: yay for stupid patents
[03:51] <bob2> qmanman: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <qmanman> nah I think I'm going to build mplayer like I usually do: has the best playback quality
[03:52] <bob2> qmanman: and if you read that page, you'll find out how to make use of the pre-existing version of mplayer in ubuntu
[03:52] <j4v4m4n> xine already has .debs (I think even mplayer has got but it never worked for me)
[03:52] <setite> qmanman, vlc?
[03:53] <xerxas> is there some unofficial package of xorg that support EXA ?
[03:53] <xerxas> or official ones ?
[03:53] <qmanman> vlc? rings a bell I'll check it out
[03:53] <bob2> xerxas: no, wait a while
[03:53] <setite> qmanman, i avoid it when i can... but i think its one of the platers that plays the most
[03:53] <qmanman> bob2: I kinda like building mplayer from source :-)
[03:54] <qmanman> bob2: xine does work yes, but its playback quality pales in comparison on other players generally
[03:55] <hiux>  mplayer can found here: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
[03:55] <CaiN_SA> no its not qmanman
[03:55] <bob2> hiux: please don't do that
[03:55] <hiux> why?
[03:55] <bob2> hiux: those packages are not installable, and mplayer is already in ubuntu
[03:55] <deFrysk> bad repo
[03:55] <qmanman> heheheh
[03:55] <deFrysk> hiux, bad bad bad
[03:55] <qmanman> screw sarge
[03:56] <CaiN_SA> its looking for trouble if you ask me
[03:56] <hiux> thanks
[03:56] <bob2> it doesn't matter
[03:56] <Hoxzer> how do I install linux via lan?
[03:56] <bob2> you can't install it from there anyway
[03:56] <bob2> Hoxzer: can your hardware pxeboot?
[03:56] <hiux> because i always use it in my debian sarge system
[03:56] <Hoxzer> bob2: wait a minut I'll check
[03:57] <rankit> Did anyone try updating to breezy preview?
[03:57] <bob2> lots of people tried
[03:57] <rankit> Is it stable?
[03:57] <Hoxzer> bob2: it has "lan" in boot devices
[03:57] <rankit> Would you recommend it?
[03:57] <bob2> some things are broken
[03:57] <MrBear> morning people
[03:57] <hiux> i have tried it yestoday
[03:57] <deFrysk> rankit, fairly stable but nothing guaranteed
[03:57] <rankit> Major gliches?
[03:58] <hiux> it's night here
[03:58] <j4v4m4n> MrBear: it is 7.30 pm hear :-)
[03:58] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[03:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> hey
[03:58] <j4v4m4n> Aragorn_Guardian: hi
[03:58] <hiux> 9:59pm here
[03:58] <rankit> Is anything major broken?
[03:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does Ubuntu not include Frozen Bubble by default because it's too addictive?
[03:58] <lorenzod> rankit: I've got a few issues with it.
[03:59] <MrBear> you guys know the restricted despository link so I can add it to the package manager
[03:59] <Aragorn_Guardian> breezy is coming... 8)
[03:59] <Carpe_Libertatem> The new app manager for Breezy is quite nice.
[03:59] <deFrysk> rankit, yesterday I could not burn cd's on breezy
[03:59] <Aragorn_Guardian> will be possible update from previous release?
[03:59] <rankit> That's major for me
[04:00] <deFrysk> rankit, so better stick to stable then
[04:00] <rankit> Is there any place I can find first hand reviews?
[04:00] <_mindspin> Hi, i just started to install on a sony vaio.installation hangs at "identifying cd-rom" any idea, it was also posted today by another guy in ubuntuforums
[04:00] <deFrysk> rankit, keep an eye on distrowatch.com
[04:00] <rankit> ok
[04:00] <lorenzod> rankit: I don't use gedit really, but it's been broken for me since early 2.11.
[04:00] <MrBear> well in hoary alsamixer dont work for me but ati drivers to work but the other way around in breezy
[04:00] <lorenzod> and it still is.
[04:01] <vbgunz> I just got 93 updates for Breezy
[04:01] <lorenzod> Nautilus is memory hungry.
[04:01] <rankit> woo
[04:01] <rankit> How about KDE?
[04:01] <auTONYmous> okay, I'm having the ATI problem...
[04:01] <rankit> nautilus has always been quite heavy
[04:01] <MrBear> did anybody get 3d working in breezy?
[04:02] <MrBear> ati?
[04:02] <deFrysk> rankit, dunno bout kde , better ask in #kubuntu
[04:02] <rankit> right
[04:02] <auTONYmous> I can see in my log that the FGLRX extension is loading..
[04:02] <lorenzod> rankit: This is different. It's now eating *all* my core
[04:02] <auTONYmous> but fglrxinfo is still giving me "mesa"
[04:02] <rankit> oh!
[04:03] <bob2> auTONYmous: you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[04:03] <auTONYmous> probably not....
[04:03] <rankit> I guess I'll wait till october 13
[04:04] <vbgunz> anyone know of the resolution that comes after 1280x1024?
[04:04] <rankit> Thanks
[04:04] <bob2> auTONYmous: then do so...
[04:04] <vbgunz> for some reason this res still looks big on Linux unlike on Windows
[04:04] <MrBear> 1600x1200 is what I got
[04:04] <vbgunz> that comes after 1280x1024?
[04:04] <MrBear> for me it does
[04:04] <vbgunz> ok thanks
[04:04] <deFrysk> no 1400x1050
[04:04] <Hoxzer> how do I install ubuntu via lan?
[04:05] <vbgunz> will check to see what I can do... 1280 still seems cramped
[04:05] <bob2> there are lots of possible resolutions
[04:05] <bob2> Hoxzer: google "ubuntu tftp pxe install +site:wiki.ubuntu.com"
[04:05] <Aragorn_Guardian> i will have several machines with ubuntu (i hope) makin logon in a Active Directory in a windows server. is possible with ubuntu?
[04:05] <Aragorn_Guardian> i mean...about rights, and others thing...
[04:05] <Aragorn_Guardian> anyone know?
[04:05] <bob2> Aragorn_Guardian: of course
[04:05] <bob2> it's just ldap, mostly
[04:06] <xerxas> bob2, is it (EXA) currently in packaging ?
[04:06] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice
[04:06] <bob2> xerxas: why don't you check?
[04:06] <arons> is there a problem with dhclient inthe preview release of 5.10? my prism 3886 card that requires ndiswrapper is unable to get an ip address
[04:06] <Aragorn_Guardian> i saw how is done...my fear is that has a secret thing between clients and server, all that M$ like...
[04:06] <setite> stupid xchat stopped auto identifyin
[04:06] <Aragorn_Guardian> but so is possible...
[04:07] <spike> hi again
[04:07] <bob2> arons: has anyone filed a bug?
[04:07] <spike> I'm trying wget http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/dvd/current/breezy-dvd-i386.iso but it fails
[04:07] <spike> it quits immediately without getting anything
[04:07] <spike> any idea?
[04:07] <arons> bob2: where s bugzilla for ubuntu?
[04:07] <bob2> arons: bugzilla.ubuntu.com...
[04:07] <spike> saving it with firefox seems to work, even the size is 2GB instead of 2.6GB as listed on the webpage
[04:08] <bob2> spike: you're unlikely to be able to get that unless you're using a 64-bit arch
[04:08] <setite> is there a thx tool or somethign to test that my 5.1 imaging is set right
[04:08] <xerxas> bob2, where do I check ?
[04:08] <bob2> "thx"?
[04:08] <xerxas> thanks
[04:08] <vbgunz> can someone just answer one quick question for me... If I put the resolution to high will Ubuntu be smart enough to cut if off incase my monitor goes out?
[04:08] <bob2> xerxas: changelogs.ubuntu.com
[04:08] <spiral> spike: your wget works for me, sorr
[04:08] <spiral> y
[04:08] <bob2> vbgunz: your monitor will turn itself off
[04:08] <xerxas> then I say thx bob2  :)
[04:08] <spike> bob2: oh, damn, u mean the 2gigs file limitation?
[04:09] <spike> spiral: u're on 32bit?
[04:09] <bhearsum> finally...heh
[04:09] <bhearsum> i think i broke my system. a TON of packages just got removed
[04:09] <spike> spiral: I'm on 32bit, hoary
[04:09] <spiral> spike: same for me here
[04:09] <bob2> spike: yes...
[04:09] <bhearsum> how can i get all the required packages installed again?
[04:09] <Aragorn_Guardian> thanks...gonna out!
[04:09] <bob2> bhearsum: as the upgrade notes say, install ubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <spike> bob2: so how does it come it works for spiral?
[04:09] <bhearsum> bob2: thanks dude
[04:09] <spiral> bob2: I thought wget was patched for this ?
[04:09] <vbgunz> I mean, will it revert if it notices I am not interacting with it? I'd like to try a higher resolution but I think I might have to put it in the xorg config... If so and I switch to it, I just wish to not get locked out...
[04:10] <bhearsum> bob2: getting an error when doing that
[04:10] <bob2> spiral: only very recently
[04:10] <vbgunz> miagine asking for support without a display to begin with :P
[04:10] <bob2> bhearsum: I can't see your screen, remember
[04:10] <bhearsum> bob2: just a sec
[04:10] <bob2> vbgunz: no, it will not revert it
[04:10] <bhearsum> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[04:10] <spiral> I dld it this morning with wget, & retried the wget command he gave without any problem
[04:10] <bhearsum>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: lsb but it is not installable
[04:10] <bhearsum> oh
[04:10] <bob2> bhearsum: your sources.list is messed up
[04:10] <bhearsum> oooh.
[04:10] <vbgunz> ahh... is this what safe mode (grub menu) would be for then
[04:10] <bhearsum> no its not
[04:10] <bhearsum> it broke when i manually installed libc6 ;)
[04:11] <auTONYmous> bob2: still doesn't work...
[04:11] <bob2> wtf
[04:11] <deFrysk> ?
[04:11] <auTONYmous> That driver has been installed for a while...
[04:11] <bhearsum> yes, i know it was stupid
[04:11] <arons> btw are there gnome 2.12 packages for hoary? The state breezy is in I don't want to touch it for a good few months yet
[04:11] <bob2> please don't tell me you installed sid's libc
[04:11] <bhearsum> bob2: no, i didn't
[04:11] <vbgunz> Breezy seems good so far
[04:11] <unvs> i'm in breezy. not ONE problem still
[04:11] <bob2> arons: breezy will effectively not change from 3 weeks from now
[04:11] <vbgunz> for some reason it seems pretty stable and overall quicker than Hoary... Just my opinion
[04:11] <spike> damn, actually it works for me too on ubuntu but not on debian...
[04:12] <lorenzod> unvs: can you try gedit?
[04:12] <deFrysk> vbgunz, imagination...
[04:12] <vbgunz> miagination got it ;)
[04:12] <arons> bob2: Hmm, well that leaves me with a problem, i can't find out the cause of the problem getting an ip via dhclient with my wireless card, it worked fine in hoary
[04:12] <unvs> lorenzod: what about it?
[04:12] <spike> is gnome got anything like dcop?
[04:13] <bob2> spike: right, the fix was made recently, I guess your version of Debian doesn't have it
[04:13] <lorenzod> unvs: has been broken for me since early 2.11..
[04:13] <spike> for notifications and appa interaction I mean. is corba supposed to do that?
[04:13] <unvs> lorenzod: works for me
[04:13] <bob2> arons: just reporting that it has happened is useful
[04:13] <lorenzod> hm..
[04:13] <m0rphx> someone using firefox and having a working mathml renderer?
[04:14] <arons> it has to be a ndiswrapper bug or dhclient bug
[04:15] <lorenzod> unvs: ok, gedit does work, after I reset all gconf keys relating to it..
[04:15] <bhearsum> LOL
[04:15] <bhearsum> i really broke my system
[04:15] <pl_ice> hi
[04:17] <lorenzod> Another little thing I've noticed, Clearlooks Olive seems to be gone.
[04:17] <unvs> thank god :D
[04:17] <lorenzod> I'm stuck with something blue, grey and horrible.
[04:17] <deFrysk> lorenzod, I dont like olives
[04:17] <lorenzod> All of a sudden Clearlooks doesn't look so nice any more.
[04:18] <deFrysk> lorenzod, get gnome-themes-extras
[04:18] <lorenzod> deFrysk: That's why it's gone, you ate them!!!!
[04:18] <deFrysk> lorenzod,  ;p
[04:18] <lorenzod> deFrysk: already installed..
[04:18] <setite> anyone recall what the winamps preset file is called
[04:18] <deFrysk> lorenzod, then get it from arts.gnome.org
[04:19] <deFrysk> hehe
[04:19] <MrBear> what program I use to edit text files
[04:19] <Hoxzer> has somebody here installed ubuntu with CD-rw?
[04:19] <pl_ice> any one uses gammu or gnokii?
[04:20] <g14> How can I make the value of a uuencoded file a variable in a shell script and then have it decoded?
[04:20] <g14> I'm trying to write a shell script to deploy a few binaries and a man page
[04:20] <unvs> Lush/Milk 2.0/Gartoon for me
[04:20] <lorenzod> MrBear: there are lots of alternatives..
[04:21] <lorenzod> I prefer a Vi clone like vim or nvi
[04:21] <Hoxzer> :D really why don't they tell in the page that ubuntu install may not work if it is burned on CD-rw
[04:22] <deFrysk> Hoxzer, probably because it may not work ;p
[04:22] <MrBear> I just want to edit my xorg conf
[04:22] <pl_ice> anyone connected nokia to linux before?
[04:23] <lorenzod> MrBear: try gedit then.
[04:23] <deFrysk> nokia ...connecting people
[04:23] <MrBear> thank you
[04:23] <lorenzod> But you'll have to sudo gedit
[04:23] <__filip_> what does i need to play mpg movie in totem?
[04:23] <pl_ice> :/
[04:23] <pl_ice> __filip_  w32codecs
[04:23] <lorenzod> Since xorg.conf is not writable by ordinary users.
[04:23] <__filip_> thanx
[04:23] <deFrysk> and totem-xine
[04:24] <setite> would i be crazy to say that linux sounds better than windows?
[04:24] <tux-rox> setite, no....
[04:24] <deFrysk> setite, its a shorter friendlyer word
[04:24] <setite> im listening to music on bmp and the sound is much cleared in my zalman headphones than it is on windows
[04:24] <lorenzod> setite: depends who is saying "Linux"..
[04:24] <setite> nah i mean sound... music... not the words...
[04:25] <deFrysk> linus torvalds says linux very nicely
[04:25] <setite> haha linus torvalds pronunciation is demonic
[04:25] <lorenzod> setite: ;-)
[04:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> Did you know Finland fought with the Nazis in WWII?
[04:25] <deFrysk> helloeeee my my name issss linoess toerevaldsss
[04:25] <jdermer> hey guys... i know this is sorta offtopic
[04:25] <jdermer> but maybe one of you knows
[04:25] <setite> yea i need to find that clip of him saying it again
[04:26] <jdermer> when referring to mac os x.... wut is rosetta
[04:26] <setite> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
[04:26] <unvs> it's the framework for running powerpc-apps on an intel processor i thinjk?
[04:26] <ThePyromaniac> Hey, i expect people ask this all the time but i cant find answers anywhere
[04:26] <setite> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav
[04:26] <unvs> s/thinjk/think
[04:27] <ThePyromaniac> how do i get World of Warcraft running on a amd64 ubuntu?
[04:27] <basvg> hi all... does anyone know of a repository that (already) has the rtorrent package?
[04:27] <war-totem> thats a loaded question im sure
[04:27] <brunolima> how can i put something to start with my ubuntu ?
[04:28] <brunolima> like a shell script ?
[04:28] <deFrysk> brunolima, you mean srting up progs ?
[04:28] <setite> nevermind... its his own name that is pronounced oddly
[04:29] <bhearsum> what is the correct version of libncurses5 for hoary?
[04:29] <pl_ice> hm, anyone used wine with ird programs??
[04:29] <ThePyromaniac>  i have heard that some people have managed to get wine and cedega to work on a amd 64 installation...
[04:29] <deFrysk> bhearsum, apt-cache serch ncurses
[04:29] <deFrysk> search
[04:29] <bhearsum> deFrysk: that won't tell me the version bud
[04:29] <deFrysk> ncurses --version
[04:29] <basvg> hmm, guess no rtorrent then ;-) darn
[04:29] <bhearsum> deFrysk: i don't _have_ the correct version installed
[04:30] <bhearsum> otherwise i wouldn't be asking, heh
[04:30] <deFrysk> bhearsum, tss got the wrong version ?
[04:30] <bhearsum> deFrysk: no, i was playing with the packages
[04:30] <bhearsum> and now i have to fix them
[04:30] <deFrysk> bhearsum, dummy ;p
[04:30] <bhearsum> deFrysk: i'm pretty okay with it
[04:30] <deFrysk> anyway , got to cook
[04:30] <bhearsum> care to help me out though ;)
[04:30] <deFrysk> later!
[04:30] <bhearsum> dpkg -l | grep libncurses5
[04:30] <bhearsum> uggh
[04:31] <catfox> how can i add a 3rd person to a chat in gaim?
[04:31] <bhearsum> can anyone run that for me, in hoary?
[04:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the best IRC client on Lin?
[04:32] <bhearsum> i'll tell you if you run dpkg -l | grep libncurses5 for me
[04:32] <elwood> bhearsum,  ii  libncurses5    5.4-4          Shared libraries for terminal handling
[04:33] <bhearsum> thank you.
[04:33] <catfox> any ideas how to do that?
[04:33] <bhearsum> Carpe_Libertatem: i prefer irssi
[04:33] <setite> yea i want to see this irssi
[04:33] <setite> i like xchat but it sorta broke on me
[04:34] <setite> where do i get
[04:34] <setite> sudo bla irssi didnt work... shoudl i check synap
[04:34] <brunolima> deFrysk, hmm like i just make a iptables file rule and i'd like to start with my ubuntu like a service
[04:34] <catfox> anybody know how to create a 3 person chat in gaim?
[04:34] <setite> ok found
[04:34] <kevin06> I installed vsFTPd, yet my /etc/vsftpd.user_list is nowhere to be found.  I have suse on another HDD, and debian on another HDD. i want to have everything available from one boot loader. can anyone suggest how i would do this?
[04:40] <DedBobFan> no takers huh?
[04:41] <mercurus> DedBobFan: well ...
[04:41] <setite> ok this is stupid
[04:41] <setite> why did they make the register thing anyway
[04:41] <setite> for auto-rejoin?
[04:41] <setite> yea i need a new client... because in the few horus ive had xchat it stopped autoidentifying
[04:42] <mercurus> DedBobFan: install a boot loader onto one of them ... configure it for all OSes, and then set your BIOS to boot from that drive
[04:42] <setite> i think its just joining ubuntu too fast... can i make it delay somehow
[04:42] <DedBobFan> does it matter that the 2 linux drives were installed to MBR on each drive?
[04:43] <mercurus> DedBobFan: so each Distro has a bootloader on its drive's MBR ?
[04:43] <DedBobFan> yes
[04:43] <DedBobFan> i think so, no other HDD were on the system when i did the installs
[04:43] <mercurus> ideally, clean them off ... but otherwise, not really ... just set the timeout to 1 second, and remove other options from those bootloaders
[04:44] <Lever> Jesus, how do I get Azureus working with Firestarter?  Firestarter disregards permission rule and blocks connections?
[04:46] <madicode> setite: ya can't make a script or something so on connect do ya register thing, and then delay, then send the join text, instead of using autojoin?
[04:46] <DedBobFan> mercurus , like fixmbr?
[04:47] <aleitner> is it decided yet what version of xorf will make it into breezy? (or rather if the r300 radeons will be 3d accelerated using the open source driver)?
[04:47] <MrBear> anybody
[04:47] <mercurus> MrBear: it means your glx accelerated driver isn't working ...
[04:47] <aleitner> xorf-xorg
[04:47] <mercurus> DedBobFan: possibly ... I've not heard of fixmbr
[04:47] <setite> god i love linux and how many apps are available at the press of a button
[04:47] <setite> madicode.. yea i may have to try that
[04:47] <MrBear> sorry got dc
[04:48] <setite> xchat was doing the job for about an hour
[04:48] <misieq> hi there! i have problems with starting a graphical session - ~/.xsession-errors says that the system  cannot read ~/.ICEauthority file. it seems i don`t have it. what should i do to generate a new one?
[04:48] <setite> then it stopped working right
[04:48] <MrBear> ~$ glxgears
[04:48] <MrBear> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:48] <MrBear> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[04:48] <setite> i just got bitchx so imma try that
[04:48] <madicode> yeah thats whats I am using
[04:48] <MrBear> what does that mean
[04:48] <madicode> like xchat..
[04:48] <DedBobFan> mercurus, if i were to start from scratch and blow out every drive on here what do you suggest as the install order so every OS is happy? suse,ubuntu,debian,win xp
[04:48] <DedBobFan> 3 HDD
[04:48] <setite> wtf is bitchx a text client too
[04:48] <setite> damnit
[04:48] <setite> why do you people hate gui's so much
[04:49] <setite> haha
[04:49] <pl_ice> setite , yeh , u can get gui , why? couse i use ssh :/
[04:49] <setite> ok getting the "experimental gui"
[04:49] <Renski> Does it matter, as long as win xp goes first?
[04:49] <setite> renski xp first...
[04:49] <madicode> lol
[04:49] <MrBear> can someone help me with this
[04:49] <setite> unless you wanna do some spec ops recovery shit
[04:49] <MrBear> scroll up
[04:50] <setite> ok how do i run the gui
[04:50] <DedBobFan> so i should place xp on a drive first, then i can have my linux, and all will be happy?
[04:50] <Renski> I think so
[04:50] <twibbler> dooglus: are you back ...
[04:50] <Renski> xp first because its a bitch, and wipes the MBR
[04:50] <DedBobFan> figures , microsoft wants to be first
[04:50] <MrBear> hello?
[04:50] <Renski> which screws grub/lilo/whatever
[04:50] <DedBobFan> if i didnt need it for work, i would kill it
[04:51] <misieq> i have a problem with starting a graphical session - ~/.xsession-errors says that the system  cannot read ~/.ICEauthority file. it seems i don`t have it. what should i do to generate a new one?
[04:51] <madicode> MrBear, have ya go Load "DRI" in your xorg.conf?
[04:51] <setite> ok bitchx... what is the deal.... forget this... man linux is evil with the irc....
[04:52] <mercurus> yeah, WinXP first, then whatever ... just make sure that the final install puts a bootloader on the mbr
[04:52] <thrush_2> misieq, you get that error when typing gdm at console?
[04:52] <setite> you cna install it later... but its best to install first
[04:52] <mercurus> and make sure that install is the one you use most ...
[04:52] <madicode> lol, i love xchat.  hate the text irc clients
[04:52] <Hoxzer> any ideas how can I burn a iso file in ntsf partition if I messed up grup?
[04:52] <setite> windows doesnt have the foresight to predict that people may use more than one OS
[04:52] <setite> madicode... wanna be a pal and make me a script?
[04:52] <setite> hehe
[04:52] <DedBobFan> mercurus, so only the last install has to have boot on MBR, can i tell the earlier installs to NOT mbr
[04:53] <madicode> lol, Im not actually too sure how to do it but..
[04:53] <setite> well i can find the code.. i just need to know where to put the stuff
[04:53] <Renski> DedBobFan: exactly
[04:53] <madicode> load plugin or script in the xchat menu
[04:53] <DedBobFan> sounds good, i appreciate everyones help. cheers !
[04:54] <misieq> thrush_2: my ubuntu starts gdm, where i type my username and pw... when i hit enter, it does nothing but return to gdm with messagebox saying that my session lasted less than 10 secs, and ~/.xsession-errors says i don't have ~/.ICEauthority file
[04:54] <MrBear> madicode right now when I gedit my xorg conf its blank
[04:54] <setite> ok i may have this figured out
[04:54] <MrBear> and yes I have
[04:55] <thrush_2> misieq, using samba?
[04:55] <mercurus> setite: there is a gtkBitchX client ...
[04:55] <misieq> thrush_2: i think yes...
[04:55] <radbat> hi all! im new to ubunto (but not to debian), and I wonder if i should go for the 5.10 preview or the latest stable version? the plan is to install it to my dell x1 notebook right now... any thoughts?
[04:55] <pl_ice> anyone uses gammu ? :>
[04:55] <setite> well i grabbed the bitchx-gtk package
[04:55] <setite> but i dont know
[04:55] <MrBear> i think I screwed it up now
[04:56] <setite> lemme try your way
[04:56] <madicode> MrBear, blank?  that don't sound right :)
[04:56] <setite> nope
[04:56] <setite> i dunno
[04:56] <setite> bitchx just wants to run in the term
[04:56] <misieq> thrush_2: can i simply copy the file from root account?
[04:56] <setite> brb
[04:56] <mercurus> radbat: if you can wait until Oct 13 ... install the latest stable version - which will be Breezy
[04:57] <mercurus> otherwise, if you're comfortable fixing potentially broken software - use Breezy preview ...
[04:57] <setite> fuck that didnt work
[04:57] <ThePyromaniac> So nobody knows how I can get World of Warcraft working on AMD 64 Ubuntu?
[04:57] <MrBear> I got a backup how do I restore it
[04:57] <setite> i tired to make it join kubuntu 20 times first
[04:57] <setite> haha
[04:57] <setite> pyro can you get p2p installed
[04:58] <madicode> MrBear, just cp it to to the original .. (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[04:58] <setite> tell me how to do that and i can check transgaming.com since im a member to figure it out
[04:58] <radbat> mercurus: the problem is that i have no choice but to install it today.. should i still go for the latest stable or is it worth the effort to go with the preview?
[04:58] <Myrtti> take the stable
[04:58] <mercurus> radbat: since you're asking the question, I'd say the best option is to take the stable version - Hoary
[04:58] <Myrtti> thats my opinin
[04:58] <setite> i followed that wiki but i cant find where to change the export to use 32bit libs
[04:58] <Myrtti> +o
[04:59] <MrBear> dammit its still blank
[04:59] <radbat> what would i loose by going with the latest stable version?
[04:59] <mercurus> radbat: nothing ... it is the current stable version
[04:59] <MrBear> wtf
[05:00] <setite> ooh i found a script on the xchat site
[05:00] <mercurus> you can update it to Breezy after October 13 quite easilt
[05:00] <mercurus> *easily
[05:00] <setite> damn i feel stupid
[05:00] <madicode> MrBear, type:    sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:00] <MrBear> did that
[05:00] <setite> you need a script since xchat blindly identifies prior to the challenge whihc apparently doenst work unless the server is slow
[05:00] <MrBear> I have gedit open no text though
[05:00] <misieq> thrush_2: are you there?
[05:00] <madicode> oh ok..
[05:00] <setite> ooh there is a script just for freenode
[05:00] <setite> hehe
[05:01] <madicode> lol
[05:01] <mercurus> MrBear: what is the output of: file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:01] <radbat> mercurus: ok, that settles it then.. thanks..
[05:01] <mercurus> radbat: no worries, enjoy :)
[05:01] <MrBear> nothing
[05:01] <thrush_2> misieq, try putting this at bottom of /etc/security/pam_env.conf.    ICEAUTHORITY DEFAULT=/tmp/.@{PAM_USER}_ICEauthorit
[05:01] <MrBear> right now I have 3 the backup one with a bunch of numbers after it and the orginal one
[05:02] <mercurus> MrBear: `file` should give output ...
[05:02] <x-pert> hey
[05:02] <thrush_2> misieq, that last part should be ICEauthority
[05:02] <madicode> MrBear,  is your backup ones blank also?
[05:02] <MrBear> must be
[05:02] <MrBear> so what do I do now
[05:02] <madicode> what graphics card you running?
[05:02] <mercurus> sudo dpkg --reconfigure xorg
[05:02] <x-pert> i have a portable computer with linux (ubuntu) and i want to receive a wireless internet connection from my router, with a PCMCIA card. The router is a linksys wrk54g. i believe that the driver is properly installed (ndiswrapper)but i still cant get the internet when i do dhclient3 wlan0 it appears unknown hardware type 776, and in the end no DHCP offers received and no working leases in persisting database-sleeping. also when i do iwlist
[05:02] <MrBear> at aiw 9800pro
[05:03] <pluffsy> hello
[05:03] <x-pert> can anyone help me pliz?
[05:03] <mercurus> x-pert: some of that last text got lost ... but, does the output from iwconfig wlan0 indicate that you're associated with the AP ?
[05:04] <MrBear> I am going to have to reinstall ubuntu
[05:04] <mercurus> MrBear: no ... you wont
[05:04] <MrBear> yes cause it just said there is no such option --reconfigure
[05:04] <pluffsy> I'm trying to install ubuntu (the 5.10 preview) on a powerbook g3 lombard. I've tried holding down option as well as c but I can't seem to boot from the cd.
[05:04] <x-pert>  does the output from iwconfig wlan0 indicate that you're associated with the AP ? it appears 00:00:00:00:00:00
[05:04] <pluffsy> any idea of what to do?
[05:05] <x-pert> plufsy queue please
[05:05] <mercurus> MrBear: ok, have a look under /usr/share/ for an xorg doc directory, with a samples directory
[05:05] <mercurus> MrBear:  or run XCOnfigure etc.
[05:05] <setite> man i miss windows at times liek this
[05:05] <setite> ill give up though.. this isnt that important
[05:05] <setite> it is damned annoying though
[05:05] <mercurus> x-pert: ok, you're not associated with the AP ... which is why you can't get a lease from the DHCPd
[05:06] <x-pert> mercurus so how can i correct that?
[05:06] <mercurus> x-pert: with my driver (ipw2200) I simply remove the kernel module and re-insert it ...
[05:06] <MrBear> there is so samples directory
[05:06] <mercurus> but, it may indicate that ndiswrapper isn't working correctly
[05:06] <x-pert> but so what do i d?
[05:06] <x-pert> but so what do i do?
[05:07] <mercurus> MrBear: is this Hoary or Breezy Preview ?
[05:07] <MrBear> breezy
[05:07] <x-pert> the same problem keeps appearing...i have even reinstalled ubuntu and done everything again...the same problem remanains...
[05:07] <MrBear> only reason I went to breezy is casue hoary alsamixer dont even load
[05:07] <mercurus> x-pert: what does dmesg have to say about ndiswrapper and your kernel module for this card ? what is the card ?
[05:07] <MrBear> sound works great but now video is not working
[05:07] <ThePyromaniac> if i change ububtu to use the 32 bit libs, will wine work for me?
[05:07] <MrBear> 3d worked great on hoary
[05:08] <MrBear> grrrrr I cant win
[05:08] <mercurus> MrBear: how did you try and install the accelerated drivers ?
[05:08] <MrBear> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:09] <mercurus> hmm ... and apt completed ok ?
[05:09] <MrBear> yes
[05:09] <MrBear> its my config thats screwed up
[05:09] <ThePyromaniac> nobody will help me get warcraft running :(
[05:10] <mercurus> MrBear: so the file exists, but is empty and all backups are also empty ?
[05:10] <MrBear> seems like it
[05:10] <MrBear> and reconfigure dont work either now
[05:10] <mercurus> ls -lA /etc/X11/ |grep xorg.conf ?
[05:11] <Volen_Siderov> is there a way to mount NTFS
[05:11] <Volen_Siderov> and
[05:11] <MrBear> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  3340 2005-09-12 10:58 xorg.conf
[05:11] <MrBear> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  3340 2005-09-12 04:34 xorg.conf~
[05:11] <MrBear> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  2499 2005-09-12 10:43 xorg.conf.200509121043
[05:11] <MrBear> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  3340 2005-09-12 10:15 xorg.conf-old
[05:11] <MrBear> see too many
[05:11] <Volen_Siderov> NTFS mount with cyrillic folders (cp1251) howto mount ???
[05:12] <Volen_Siderov> with cyrillic support
[05:12] <mercurus> MrBear: yeah, that's fine ... but 3 are the same file ... and none of them are 0 bytes ... they all contain data
[05:12] <Volen_Siderov> ?
[05:12] <mercurus> 3340 bytes, and 2499 bytes
[05:12] <MrBear> so why dont it show up in gedit
[05:12] <mercurus> good question ...
[05:12] <madicode> try vi? or different editor?
[05:13] <mercurus> you're running: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.config
[05:13] <mercurus> -ig
[05:13] <setite> i prefer gedit over vi
[05:13] <setite> but thats because its easier for me to use...
[05:13] <MrBear> ok
[05:13] <MrBear> wait a sec which one I open
[05:13] <setite> vi is a god as it has saved me many times when i bugger my xorg.conf
[05:13] <mercurus> setite: that's a can of worms ... don't go there :)
[05:13] <mercurus> MrBear: you open xorg.conf
[05:13] <setite> hey i give vi its due.. .it serves a purpose.....
[05:13] <x-pert> the card version is WPC54G. in dmesg it appears: using irq 11; wlan0 ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:12:17:b6:43:e6 user driver lsbcmnds; wlan: encrytation modes supported:WEP; wlan0 no ipv6 routers present
[05:14] <MrBear> in vi its still blank
[05:14] <mercurus> the others are all backups, the current, active file is xorg.conf
[05:14] <mercurus> MrBear: ok ... exit vi
[05:14] <setite> MrBear, its .conf
[05:14] <setite> if you type the filename wrong you wont get hsit but a new blank file
[05:15] <mercurus> MrBear: can you cat the file ..?
[05:15] <setite> whats cat? when you TAB it to finish the name?
[05:15] <MrBear> I got it now yay words
[05:15] <mercurus> eg. cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[05:15] <setite> i love that feature...
[05:15] <setite> oh.. .that
[05:15] <setite> what is cat... it does more than i though
[05:15] <x-pert> maybe the problem is that the linux has ipv6 support and the router supports ipv4 only
[05:15] <x-pert> mercurus?
[05:15] <setite> !ipv6
[05:15] <ubotu> setite: Are you smoking crack?
[05:16] <mercurus> setite: concatenation ... types out the contents of files to terminal
[05:16] <mercurus> x-pert: no ... linux will use ipv4 by default ...
[05:17] <mercurus> x-pert: ok, what does iwconfig wlan0 show now ? does it have the correct MAC address ?
[05:17] <MrBear> so what do I do noe
[05:17] <x-pert> but it appeared this: ipv6 over ipv4 tunelling driver
[05:17] <x-pert> i cnat see any mac adress
[05:17] <mercurus> MrBear: can you copy and paste exactly what you've typed to open gedit ?
[05:18] <MrBear> I used vi
[05:18] <mercurus> MrBear: can you copy and paste exactly what you typed to open gedit ?
[05:18] <tmorton> Can someone run this command for me? objdump -x /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4|grep SONAME
[05:18] <setite> hey who knows what Volen_Siderov is talking about.. he's having trouble viewing folders on his ntfs partition wiht cryllic names... or cp1251 or somethign i dont know about
[05:18] <MrBear> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:19] <setite> it is xorg or Xorg?
[05:19] <MrBear> hmm good point
[05:19] <mercurus> setite: the file is all lowercase ...
[05:19] <setite> i forget what files screw with you by deciding the casing
[05:19] <setite> ok thanks mercurus
[05:19] <x-pert> mercurus?
[05:19] <setite> oh yea that was freebsd that did that case thing to me
[05:20] <mercurus> MrBear: it sounds like driver error from here ... ie. all the pieces are in place ...
[05:20] <setite> is there anywhere to change character coding
[05:20] <mercurus> I can't explain why none of the editors you're using can't open the file ...
[05:20] <pussfeller> if i buy a new mobo and stick it in, will my ubuntu install still work
[05:20] <beekay> where are downloaded things in xchat saved to
[05:20] <setite> because Volen_Siderov cant view his cryllic folders on his ntfs partition
[05:20] <MrBear> vi opened it properly
[05:20] <pussfeller> or do i gotta mess with it
[05:21] <x-pert> mercurus any suggestion?
[05:21] <mercurus> setite: all UNIX-derivatives are case-sensitive ...
[05:21] <mercurus> x-pert: use a native linux driver if one is available ...
[05:21] <kevin06> I am installing Ravencore, and by default it looks for BIND in /var/named since it is Red Hat Based. What is the path to BIND for Ubuntu?
[05:21] <setite> mercurus, i meant that freebsd decided to add the X instead of x to the xorg.. which gave me lots of trouble
[05:21] <madicode> beekay,  by default to a .xchat dir in your home directory (changable in the prefs)
[05:21] <mercurus> beekay: check your XChat Settings ... by default it is ~/.xchat2/Downlaods
[05:21] <x-pert> i am using ubuntu, i didnt even select the driver....
[05:21] <mlopes> hi. i'm using breezy. openoffice.org 2 is not using the english dictionaries. default installation. any ideas why? (openoffice2-l10n-en is installed though)
[05:22] <setite> i eventually said screw it because the freebsd amd64 6.0 beta4 has a fault nve driver
[05:22] <madicode> anyway i am off peoples. cyas
[05:22] <pluffsy> is there some way I can check if a ubuntu cd I've made really is bootable? I can't get it to boot on my powerbook g3.
[05:22] <mercurus> kevin06: bind isn't a part of the default Ubuntu install ...
[05:22] <MrBear> how do I reinstall drivers
[05:23] <beekay> ty
[05:24] <markuman> hi, i test to install arch linux. but the grub loader does not entered ubuntu. now i want do mount die ubuntu parition /dev/hda3 with knoppix, but it don' t work. unknown filetype
[05:24] <setite> Volen_Siderov, i think the answer is this "sudo mount -o remount,nls=cp1251 /mnt/your_windows_mount_point"
[05:25] <Trackilizer> Hey guys.
[05:25] <Trackilizer> Are there any good IRC clients for Gnome other that x-chat.
[05:26] <Trackilizer> It doen't have to look good.
[05:26] <Trackilizer> Just as long as it's fast.
[05:26] <beekay> is there any reason why my mplayer and totem cant play .mpg files
[05:26] <linuxsbartley> If one wanted to install a server system w/ xfce and xdm, would the following package set be correct for 5.10?:  xorg-common, xserver-common, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg, xutils, x-window-system-core, xfce4, synaptic & xdm?
[05:26] <x-pert> mercurus ??
[05:27] <Sonderblade> can you install kde on ubuntu and have it coexist nicely with gnome without having to go through hoops?
[05:28] <digitize> Sonderblade: sure, why not?
[05:28] <TommyH> Hi, how can I change the colour depth in Hoary? For some bizarre reason it's switched itself to 16-bit. :-/
[05:29] <digitize> TommyH: either by edit: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:29] <Sonderblade> digitize: because its unsupported?
[05:29] <setite> i cant figure out linux file hierarchy
[05:29] <setite> i miss the program files folder
[05:29] <digitize> Sonderblade: i installed xfce quite fine
[05:29] <setite> where is the doom3 demo... i need to see if i can force my resolution
[05:29] <TommyH> No, it is supported... it's been working fine in 24-bit colour for weeks.
[05:29] <kevin06> mercurus, I know. I have installed BIND
[05:29] <digitize> TommyH: he's speaking of something else
[05:29] <x-pert> how can i change the support from ipv6 to ipv4
[05:30] <digitize> linuxsbartley: doesn't ubuntu come with synaptic by default?
[05:30] <Sonderblade> digitize: thanks lets see what happens...
[05:30] <digitize> and all the xorg components
[05:30] <markuman> how can i repair the "Superblock" from my ext3 partition
[05:30] <digitize> Sonderblade: i installed xfce, went back to gdm, and it was there
[05:31] <digitize> i don't think you'll have any problems
[05:31] <linuxsbartley> digitize, the full install does, but the server install you have to do so manually.
[05:31] <x-pert> lol
[05:31] <x-pert> cant anyone help?
[05:31] <digitize> linuxsbartley: ah ok
[05:31] <digitize> x-pert: little more specific, not sure i understand
[05:31] <x-pert> i have a portable computer with linux (ubuntu) and i want to receive a wireless internet connection from my router, with a PCMCIA card. The router is a linksys wrk54g. i believe that the driver is properly installed (ndiswrapper)but i still cant get the internet when i do dhclient3 wlan0 it appears unknown hardware type 776, and in the end no DHCP offers received and no working leases in persisting database-sleeping. also when i do iwlist
[05:32] <kevin06> x-pert, Mercurus quit as soon as he sent his mesage, a fact I wasn't aware of until just now. :-p
[05:32] <x-pert> the card version is WPC54G. in dmesg it appears: using irq 11; wlan0 ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:12:17:b6:43:e6 user driver lsbcmnds; wlan: encrytation modes supported:WEP; wlan0 no ipv6 routers present
[05:33] <markuman> how to check my hda3?
[05:33] <darkheart_> Hmm..Why might a launcher button on my gnome-panel give me an error stating it can't find an icon when it is there?
[05:33] <x-pert> and it appears too: ipv6 over ipv4 tunelling driver
[05:33] <x-pert> and the router supports ipv4
[05:33] <x-pert> its address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:33] <kevin06> When I install the BIND package (either 8 or 9) where is the bind binary located?
[05:34] <pl_ice> x-pert ndiswrapper -l
[05:34] <x-pert> pl_ice the driver is fine
[05:34] <x-pert> driver present, hardware present
[05:34] <Seveas> kevin06, dpkg -L bind9
[05:34] <x-pert> the problem is almost surely the ipv6 support
[05:34] <Seveas> probably /usr/bin/named
[05:35] <x-pert> or the configuration of the router, but i think it is the ip support
[05:35] <pl_ice> how about iwconfig? couse i installed not long ago driver for my, form a cd, but it didn't worked, have u looked @ forum?
[05:35] <kafeine> hmm
[05:35] <kafeine> i can't seem to burn any cds/dvds
[05:36] <kevin06> Seveas, Thanks again!
[05:36] <x-pert> pl_ice i also installed from the ubuntu cd... no i havent looked on the forum...can u tell me the link?
[05:37] <pl_ice> www.ubunforums.org i believe that each language has it's own forum
[05:37] <pl_ice> it could be ur driver, my box said it's ok, yet i could not connect, it was static
[05:37] <x-pert> yea, but the exact thread
[05:38] <pl_ice> x-pert u being lazy :/
[05:38] <x-pert> ok ok
[05:38] <x-pert> i will search
[05:38] <x-pert> but i mean
[05:38] <x-pert> i have already searched there
[05:39] <x-pert> and i found nothing helful
[05:39] <x-pert> maybe i need to search better
[05:39] <x-pert> if u told me the exact thread
[05:39] <x-pert> it will be good
[05:39] <pl_ice> what card is it?
[05:39] <x-pert> wpc54g
[05:40] <pl_ice> anyone flashed iPOD before?
[05:40] <x-pert> ...
[05:41] <cusco> hello! I had bee trying to help x-pert. here's the thing: the card is working and configured with ifconfig and/or iwconfig
[05:41] <pl_ice> x-pert i have to say, u're lazy
[05:41] <dr_strangelove> does totem with gstreamer backend  from breezy work for you (with dvd menus)?
[05:41] <Answer> Hello Wolrd
[05:41] <pl_ice> x-pert http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645&highlight=wpc54g
[05:42] <cusco> altho when iwlist wlan0 scan
[05:42] <pl_ice> for example
[05:42] <cusco> no scan results are found
[05:42] <cusco> if he triggers dhclient3 wlan0
[05:42] <Answer> Question: We have several ubuntu computers running in our office, is there a way to setup a central repository for Synaptic?
[05:42] <cusco> no dhcp offers are made
[05:42] <pl_ice> Apple sux, does't have my language...
[05:42] <cusco> is something between the card and the router
[05:43] <pl_ice> Answer , yeh there is
[05:43] <pl_ice> i've seen it on www.ubuntuforums.org , mind u haven't tried that far myself
[05:43] <Answer> pl_ice: more details please
[05:44] <MarkAngels> Hi, does Gnomebaker know if my DVD disc is RW? I don't want it to be closed since I want to write to it again
[05:44] <pl_ice> Answer , search on www.ubuntuforums.org there is a HOWTO
[05:44] <ReiKn> hi. is there a way I could change the default character encoding of gnome-terminal?
[05:44] <gorilla> Answer, you could try an apt-proxy that will check if it has the ubunt package on disk, otherwise fecth it from the net.
[05:45] <Answer> gorilla: apt-proxy sound promising, on disk u mean on an intranet fileserv ?
[05:45] <vbgunz> hey for all those, if you change your resolution, but your monitor blacks out, don't worry, it'll revert...
[05:45] <FhaeTon> is there another chat area for ubuntu about games?
[05:45] <ReiKn> only gnome-terminal because I wan't to keep my system UTF-8 but I have to connect to ISO-8859-1 server frequently from terminal...
[05:45] <vbgunz> does anyone know of a Roboform type form filler for Ubuntu?
[05:47] <pl_ice> guys, i got problem with kynaptic, tried to update packages, and it getting stuck
[05:48] <vbgunz> you're on Breezy?
[05:48] <vbgunz> on Wireless?
[05:48] <gorilla> Answer, I mean local disk to the apt-proxy... I think apt-proxy is in the hoary repository..universe I think..
[05:48] <pl_ice> yeh, i bloody unloced .deb respo, i think i actually recovered, but when i tried to install lib6 new ver. it crashed 100 cpu
[05:49] <pl_ice> tried to get kxdocker
[05:49] <tristanmike> Can somebody help me with an America's Army issue?
[05:49] <tristanmike> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2106
[05:49] <reiki_work> I had an issue this morning with update manager. It showed me an update was available (for mysql) and it downloaded, installed, and appeared to update. Then it popped an alert box that siad updatemanager has failed with error 222 child process terminated. So I'll have to wait till I get home to see if it broke anything
[05:50] <tristanmike> It's the only game I play :'(
[05:51] <pl_ice> seems to be fixed, hey what's the sable kernel in ubuntu respos now?
[05:51] <vbgunz> Americas Army plays better on Ubuntu than on Windows or is it about the same?
[05:51] <pl_ice> i know new one is out, but kynaptic won't find
[05:51] <tristanmike> vbgunz, just behind in version, I love it
[05:52] <linuxsbartley> ok.  5.04 xdm worked.  Tried install of 5.10beta again w/ xdm and xfce.   Rebooted system.  Tries to launch xdm gui auth screen then goes away and drops me to Alt-F8 w/ last line "Starting X display manager: xdm"
[05:52] <vbgunz> not sure, pl
[05:52] <linuxsbartley> Xorg.0.log shows many font renderer warnings and an error regarding font path unix/:7100 not init'd so it removed from list.
[05:52] <vbgunz> go to kernel.org or something like that, it'll you stable, etc there
[05:52] <pl_ice> vbgunz yeh, i don't want to compile it ;)
[05:52] <vbgunz> latest stable is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:53] <vbgunz> according to kernel.org
[05:53] <pl_ice> hm, i'm stuck with 2.6.10 and security updates won't find new one
[05:53] <hypershock> hey, i discovered that libmodplug0 is missing on breezy, how can i report this?
[05:53] <vbgunz> haven't gotten to the level of compiling kernels yet, I am still a n00ba warrior
[05:53] <NiLz> hi
[05:54] <pitti> pl_ice: Ubuntu's kernels get security updates to 2.6.10, Hoary will not get a new upstream version
[05:54] <NiLz> is there sun java sdk/jre available as .deb on any repo?
[05:54] <vbgunz> yeah I need to report the help file link is broken on the disk manager
[05:54] <gorilla> vbgunz, you aren't missing much :-)
[05:54] <vbgunz> can anyone confirm this on Brezy?
[05:54] <linuxsbartley> anyone using xdm on 5.10?
[05:54] <pl_ice> NiLz ,yeh
[05:54] <vbgunz> learning...
[05:55] <NiLz> pl_ice: backports?
[05:55] <vbgunz> btw, I haven't checked but can I download the entire Ubuntu Wiki?
[05:55] <pl_ice> pitti , so do i wait for the new ubuntu release?...not sure
[05:55] <vbgunz> I am trying to avoid backports but they can be enabled, not sure of the address, if no one knows, the wiki does I believe
[05:55] <tristanmike> :(
[05:55] <pitti> pl_ice: I don't know either whether you wait :-)
[05:56] <pitti> pl_ice: the Warty and Hoary kernels will continue to get security updates, but of course no new features
[05:56] <pl_ice> pitti ,yeh don't care about new stuff, just patches ;)
[05:56] <pl_ice> NiLz , i think b.ports enable them from /et/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <pl_ice> hm, anyone got iPod ? that thing doesn't support my language...
[05:58] <FhaeTon> Hey which is better KDE or Gnome?
[05:59] <vbgunz> in opinion, Gnome
[05:59] <mjr> FhaeTon, which is better, flamefest or -war?
[05:59] <tristanmike> all opinion
[05:59] <vbgunz> haha yeah
[05:59] <Kyral> Seriously
[05:59] <uthini> i just don't like nautilus
[05:59] <vbgunz> you want fire with that?
[05:59] <Kyral> anyone that asks that question should be kicked
[05:59] <Kyral> and then banned
[05:59] <FhaeTon> tsorry im a newb
[05:59] <mjr> anyway, my arrogant opinion: Gnome for people who want to use their boxes, KDE for people who want to tune their boxes
[06:00] <vbgunz> nah everyone has an opinion
[06:00] <tristanmike> it's ok
[06:00] <linuxsbartley> System boot shows "Setting up general console font...              t_kernel_font: Invalid argument               [fail] "  on 5.10beta.  Any ideas?
[06:00] <mjr> but I shan't go into details ;)
[06:00] <Kyral> FhaeTon, its one of the Great Holy Wars in the Linux/Unix world
[06:00] <FhaeTon> ti did not know
[06:00] <Kyral> and before you ask, stay outta VI vs. EMACS :P
[06:00] <FhaeTon> I thought one did sometyhing different
[06:01] <vbgunz> I tried Suse, Knoppix and was very close to using Fedora... I din't like them because the interfaces were extremely cluttered... I mean it makes no sense to have 43 text editors... Unless I am missing something?
[06:01] <Kyral> sokay, just warning you :P
[06:01] <Hoxzer> is it possible to burn linux distro from ntfs partition with ubuntu live CD?
[06:01] <Kyral> you mean an ISO Image?
[06:02] <pl_ice> vbgunz i agree :) used fedora c. tried suse, it's unfriendly
[06:02] <vbgunz> Ubuntu and Gnome are simple... Very to the point, extremely easier learning curb Vs the others. Though i understand it can get as mean as you know how to breed it...
[06:03] <vbgunz> one sec fellas...
[06:03] <NiLz> pl_ice: do u know if b.ports has any mirrors in eu
[06:03] <NiLz> pl_ice: or is it just one available?
[06:03] <pl_ice> NiLz ,there are couple
[06:04] <kafeine>  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[06:04] <kafeine> this is what i get from $ hdparm /dev/hdc
[06:04] <kafeine> any ideas?
[06:04] <kafeine> please?
[06:05] <vbgunz> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47 <-- Backport Ubuntu Forum
[06:05] <vbgunz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40291 <--- Getting started with backports
[06:06] <vbgunz> google.com/search?q=ubuntu+backport
[06:07] <vbgunz> anyone here know how to remove the minimize, maximize effect?
[06:08] <vbgunz> I would just like if it disappeared off screen on minimize and just reappeared on max... anyway to remove the effect?
[06:09] <tristanmike> vbgunz, that
[06:10] <tristanmike> vbgunz, that's a product of "metacity" the window manager
[06:10] <punkass> anyone know why there is no php5-mcrypt in breezy???
[06:10] <tristanmike> vbgunz, if you mean the lines
[06:10] <vbgunz> yeah, it is sort of like an outline of the window...
[06:11] <vbgunz> do I have to use the configuration editor to change that?
[06:11] <tristanmike> vbgunz, yeah, that's a metacity issue, no real way to get rid of it aside from changing window managers
[06:11] <tristanmike> vbgunz, that i've seen anyway
[06:12] <punkass> you can use gconf and set a flag to you less resources...but then the window gets real ugly when you drag it
[06:12] <punkass> you = use
[06:12] <Jowi> hello everyone
[06:12] <tristanmike> vbgunz, that's the other way, but it looks WAY more ugly than the lines
[06:13] <punkass> vbgunz: /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources
[06:13] <punkass> and yeah it looks a lot worse
[06:13] <Quinthius> vbgunz: you can use a different window manager from within gnome, metacity is pretty limited anyway
[06:14] <tristanmike>  vbgunz, alot of people like "enlightenment" or "e16" in the repos
[06:14] <Quinthius> vbgunz: some metacity-specific configuration interfaces prolly wont work anymore (like keybindings, window focus options), but everything else should work fine
[06:15] <vbgunz> its running great... Just thought I could remove some effects... make it appear to run faster by tricking the eye by removing effects, etc
[06:15] <vbgunz> I heard enlightments was supposed to be the fastest option... what is enlightment? I think i saw some comparisons once, I lost the link
[06:16] <Answer> vbgunz: google: enlightenment
[06:16] <Quinthius> fluxbox is also popular "minimalist yet configurable" option i believe
[06:17] <vbgunz> I love the Gnome interface... It is very subtle and reminds of Windows... I feel really good migrating with Gnome
[06:17] <Quinthius> vbgunz: the gnome interface will remain
[06:17] <Answer> vbgunz: don't insult gnome by mentioning it with windows :/
[06:17] <Quinthius> vbgunz: the panels, desktop icons, nautilus browsing... you can keep all that
[06:17] <linuxsbartley> Can anyone tell me what package provides the adobe-helvetica font set?
[06:18] <vbgunz> im cool, thanks fellas, at the moment what I really need is a friend whom I can invite over to see him work on Ubuntu ;)
[06:19] <vbgunz> surprise me :D
[06:19] <Quinthius> hehe
[06:19] <Benix> hi
[06:20] <Answer> linuxsbartley: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/X11_fonts.html
[06:20] <Benix> does ubuntu offer me a comparable security like debian does?
[06:20] <vbgunz> i found the enlightment site... I don't wish to switch to something else. I like Gnome... Just got on Linux and already wish to tweak it. I best calm down and learn the basics, sheesh...
[06:21] <reter> i switched from hoary to breezy. i am trying to upgrade the files but i always get all these error messages...i dont even understand it
[06:21] <ompaul> Benix, the only test I have seen was good on that scale
[06:21] <Answer> vbgunz: the most popular gnome alternative is kde.  you might like it better.  see: kubuntu
[06:21] <reter> what can i do?
[06:21] <Quinthius> Answer: that's not just a window manager tho :P
[06:21] <Benix> ompaul: ok, but how can ubuntu offer a stable and secure system when there are very short testing phases?
[06:22] <Benix> I don't think that ubuntu has as many developers like debian has
[06:22] <Benix> if i am wrong, correct me, please
[06:22] <Quinthius> Benix: you know ubuntu is basically debian at heart right? :P
[06:22] <SymGeosis> Benix, no way.
[06:22] <Benix> Quinthius: yes
[06:22] <Quinthius> Benix: they dont need to do as much testing for a lot of things because it's already done by the debian people
[06:22] <SymGeosis> Benix, misread your question.
[06:22] <vbgunz> thanks Answer, but I need to stay stuck with Ubuntu :) I tried others and others and finally admit that Ubuntu is right up my alley... It is to the point and very easy to get comfortable with... Thanks though! I will keep it in mind once I learn enough and feel at home
[06:22] <SymGeosis> Benix, nevermind me.
[06:22] <Benix> SymGeosis: :)
[06:23] <Answer> vbgunz: Customizing GNOME http://www.gnome.org/learn/intro/2.2/ar01s07.html
[06:23] <vbgunz> thanks Answer
[06:24] <vbgunz> bookmarked it, it is a must see site for me. Thanks again!
[06:24] <evian> hi
[06:25] <Benix> Quinthius: So ubuntu combines the stability of debian with top actual stuff like xorg, openoffice... gcc4 qt4.. but aren't especially this parts the most important thinks which decide if a system is safe and stable? gcc4 was working on ubuntu very fast.. Isn't it rational to assume that ubuntu cheats a bit?
[06:25] <linuxsbartley> Answer, I am unclear on how that tells me the .deb package for the helvetica font to be provided.
[06:25] <evian> Please kind folks, how do I get my launcher panel off the side of the screen and back at the top?
[06:25] <vbgunz> Benix, are you really efficient with programming on Linux?
[06:25] <SymGeosis> evian, just click and drag it.
[06:25] <rob_p> Wow!  Turned on my PC and suddenly, 51 updates available!  Hmmm!
[06:26] <humulus> update everythin :)
[06:26] <vbgunz> thats nothing, restart and they're probably be more
[06:26] <Benix> vbgunz: ah, so ubuntu has another target of users like debian has.. I understand
[06:26] <GabrielMedina> hi, how do I install ATI driver (fglrx) on ubuntu 5.04? I've tried so many ways...
[06:26] <evian> SymGeosis, if I click it, it launches something or opens a menu, there aren't any free spaces to grab
[06:26] <rob_p> :-)
[06:26] <SymGeosis> evian, click it where there isn't an icon/applet. =)
[06:26] <vbgunz> I am new to ubuntu, by far I am no master like some...
[06:27] <vbgunz> I am uban00ba
[06:27] <GabrielMedina> hi, how do I install ATI driver (fglrx) on ubuntu 5.04? I've tried so many ways...anyone?
[06:27] <Benix> vbgunz: but now I can understand why there are so many users of ubuntu and also so many criticans
[06:27] <evian> SymGeosis: that is the problem, there isn't anywhere like that!
[06:27] <SymGeosis> GabrielMedina, have you given the wiki a look? It offers some good guidance.
[06:27] <Jowi> ubotu, tell GabrielMedina about ati
[06:27] <vbgunz> you ever heard of K.I.S.S.?
[06:28] <SymGeosis> evian, just a sec...
[06:28] <Jowi> GabrielMedina: try the link ubotu provided :-(
[06:28] <vbgunz> I believe Ubuntu follows that and people see that. In opinion, I think Ubuntu is probably one of the most straight to the point OS's. I've only tried about 3 before settling here...
[06:28] <Jowi> GabrielMedina: :-( = :-)
[06:28] <Jowi> type
[06:28] <Quinthius> Benix: as far as i know, ubuntu is basically debian with desktop/ease of use modifications. some of the "new" stuff may introduce unforseen security issues, but i doubt the ubuntu team intentionally sacrifices security
[06:28] <Jowi> typo
[06:28] <Jowi> argh
[06:28] <ompaul> Benix, lets look at platforms, a lot less, developers very good, if I have to start naming names you will think I am naming a lot of Debian developers :) - wrt packages end game material a good platform that is drawing attention to Linux, debian does not try to state that it is something like ubuntu, and come to think of it ubuntu does not claim to be debian, so where is the issue
[06:29] <evian> SymGeosis, thanks. I guess I could delete stuff and try to put it back later, but I don't know where to find the icons later, yet
[06:29] <pitti> Quinthius: to the contrary, we do our best to improve it
[06:29] <GabrielMedina> Thanks, il take a look
[06:29] <Quinthius> Benix: in other words, i dont think ubuntu is any less secure than a debian system running the newer versions of those kind of packages
[06:29] <Quinthius> pitti: as i would assume :)
[06:29] <pitti> Quinthius: in some regards, a default Ubuntu system is more secure than Debian (no open ports, derooted server processes)
[06:30] <Benix> ok @ Quinthius & ompaul
[06:30] <Quinthius> pitti: but it is a valid question... "is security sacrificed to make ubuntu such a desktop-friendly distro?" ...
[06:30] <pitti> Benix: Ubuntu response time for security updates is quicker than Debian's (on average)
[06:30] <Benix> ubutnu concentrates on only two platforms
[06:30] <pitti> Benix: three
[06:30] <Benix> pitti: yeah, you are right
[06:30] <ompaul> Benix, if you want to port it work away :)
[06:30] <Benix> three, yes ^^
[06:31] <Benix> ompaul: :)
[06:31] <pitti> Quinthius: we don't sacrifice it
[06:31] <robodex> whoa, breezy's final release is close
[06:31] <SymGeosis> evian, that'd be the easiest way I suppose. There are other ways to move it (via gconf IIRC) but I don't remember how to do it.
[06:31] <robodex> I didn't realize how close it was :S
[06:31] <ompaul> robodex, one day less than yesterday :)
[06:31] <SymGeosis> evian, to add stuff back to your panel just right click "add to panel"
[06:31] <robodex> yep
[06:31] <Benix> thanks for the discussion
[06:32] <evian> SymGeosis, thanks. I just removed firefox and that was enough to make some empty space. So that wasn't so bad.
[06:32] <robodex> anyway I'm just idling in here because if my connection's idle for 30 minutes I get booted off campus network. lecture time
[06:32] <Benix> So i like that linux users have the
[06:32] <Benix> .. are able to look what they need ;)
[06:33] <fak3r> what mailing list should I join for Breezy support?  ubuntu-users?
[06:33] <ompaul> fak3r, yeap
[06:34] <fak3r> ompaul thanks
[06:34] <ompaul> Benix, they could always do that, however now it is an easiwer choice :)
[06:34] <Benix> ompaul: hehe
[06:35] <Benix> ompaul: For me its very difficult.. I am using a very powerfull debian-derivat
[06:35] <tristanmike> could someone take a second a give me a hand please?
[06:35] <ompaul> Benix, whatever makes your day
[06:36] <tristanmike> thanx, just what I always needed
[06:36] <tristanmike> now that I have 3 hands, could someone spare a moment to help me
[06:36] <Jowi> tristanmike: just ask, if someone can help they will :-)
[06:37] <ompaul>  /dcc send tristanmike /dev/moment
[06:37] <Masura> Oh, hello everyone.
[06:37] <setite> ok never again will i play a game on linux
[06:37] <setite> playing the doom3 demo proves why linux sucks for gaming...
[06:37] <tristanmike> It's an America's Army issue, won't start anymore, maybe since updates this morning, and I don't know where to start
[06:37] <Answer> robodex: to keep your connection alive, try "ping ubuntu.com -i 600"
[06:37] <sorush20> is there a way I can download the whole of this free book on the internet.. it is in Html.. but there are no direct links to the pages and the chapters of the book.. so searching is what i should do.. here is the site.. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Search&db=books&doptcmdl=GenBookHL&term=Plasma+Cell+Tumors+AND+cmed6%5Bbook%5D+AND+357227%5Buid%5D&rid=cmed6.section.36578#36580
[06:38] <ompaul> setite, well I did say to you yesterday that this is why you need to give time to complaining to the nice people who make games so that they get made natively
[06:38] <robodex> Answer: that's a good idea, too. but at least I can pop in here when nothing's happening during the lecture :)
[06:38] <setite> i have a amd64 3400+ at 2.75 with a 6800gt and a gig of ocz pc4000 ram... and each time i open a door my fps drops to 10
[06:38] <setite> hey ompaul i tried man... for you i tried
[06:38] <setite> well the performance is an issue too...
[06:39] <setite> i mean iD is being nice and porting games... but damn... i only go 63 fps when i wasnt in action.. thats lame
[06:39] <Answer> sorush20: copy & paste that URL into google, that will give you a link to the page, right click, save as
[06:39] <tristanmike> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2106
[06:39] <vbgunz> i tried playing the doom3 to test it's performance once but I never got passed the black screen on games boot...
[06:39] <setite> one day though... and i do complain.. not really.. but whenever i buy a game and register i send a not saying they need a linux version
[06:40] <ompaul> setite, consider the issue abstract the code put it in an emulator and run that on a system of course it will not run as fast as on the machine it was built for
[06:40] <setite> well the game loads nicely... a little slow but not too bad.. and it plays ok./... its just when i open doors that shit lags
[06:40] <vbgunz> any here trying out the Xen Virtual Monitor?
[06:40] <tristanmike> How do I uninstall???
[06:40] <Uthini> !chown
[06:40] <ubotu> Uthini: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:40] <vbgunz> it's supposed to be incredible... suppose to blow vmware out the water
[06:41] <setite> i will say though
[06:41] <setite> that is a scary game
[06:41] <Uthini> ubotu!!! help!!! focus
[06:41] <vbgunz> yup
[06:41] <vbgunz> you really have to play it at night
[06:41] <Uthini> guys
[06:41] <Answer> tristanmike: do you have an nvidia graphics card?
[06:41] <setite> haha my room is painted black and so is my window... might as well be night
[06:41] <ompaul> !tell Uthini about ubotu
[06:41] <evian> setite, I think there is a way to get the performance up, but I don't know the answer offhand
[06:41] <setite> well i nearly shit myself once
[06:41] <tristanmike> Answer, yes I do GeForceFX5200
[06:41] <Uthini> i need to change ownership on my home directory, cos for some odd reason it nolonger belongs to me
[06:41] <setite> when im walking... i turn around to kill a guy.. and when i turn back one of those creatures jumped on me
[06:42] <vbgunz> surround sound, lights out, and empty the mind... Doom3 will make you poop yourself if you're not careful
[06:42] <tristanmike> Answer, It was working up untill today after a whole slew of updates
[06:42] <Answer> tristanmike: try "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[06:42] <Uthini> so wots the command?? sudo chown blah blah??
[06:42] <setite> evian well i was on max settings... and i must say the fps was not bad considering.. but it has an issue with load... when i opened a door it all but froze for about 3 seconds
[06:42] <Answer> Uthini: man chown
[06:42] <ompaul> Uthini, ls  /home -l and tell us who owns it
[06:42] <Answer> tristanmike: or in Synaptic search for GLX
[06:43] <setite> vbgunz, hehe thats what i did :)
[06:43] <Jowi> Uthini: sudo chown -R uthini /home/uthini
[06:43] <Uthini> Answer, i tried that
[06:43] <vbgunz> after you install the Nvidia-glx update you might need to restart Ubuntu... Restarting was the only thing that worked for me
[06:43] <tristanmike> Answer, already have the newest version, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:43] <Uthini> doesn't help
[06:43] <setite> its crazy how they pummel you and i cant hit them
[06:43] <Uthini> thx jowi
[06:43] <vbgunz> lol
[06:43] <evian> I'm interested in that Xen virtual monitor, but it doesn't run windows does it?
[06:43] <Answer> Uthini: chown <username> <directory>
[06:43] <setite> i had to cheat and get a shotty because everything else took too long
[06:43] <setite> imma look into this xen
[06:43] <setite> hey vb
[06:43] <setite> is it that new emulator
[06:43] <Answer> tristanmike: mark for removal nvidia-glx,  then reinstall it
[06:43] <Uthini> answer, i thought is was UID
[06:43] <evian> (at least not yet?)
[06:43] <Uthini> :-/
[06:43] <setite> i read about something revolutionaty in the works in wired last month or so
[06:44] <tristanmike> Answer, ok, brb
[06:44] <vbgunz> nah, I never cheat even in single player games, no walkthrough or nothing... it's either all wits and brains or a dvd movie for me ;)
[06:44] <evian> setite, ok I'll google Xen a bit here...
[06:44] <vbgunz> what?
[06:44] <Answer> Uthini: chown <userwhateveR> <dir>
[06:44] <setite> it was focusing on emulating broader code instead of line by line and it claimed like 80% or more performance
[06:44] <ompaul> setite, what you may have read about is the dvd Revolution O/S a useful view
[06:44] <vbgunz> I dont think Xen runs windows... I wish it did
[06:44] <setite> imma find the magazine real quick
[06:44] <Jowi> Uthini: nah, it's username and not uid. you can even extend it to group. for example: chown uthini:group filename
[06:45] <Uthini> dbl thx jowi
[06:45] <Answer> Uthini: use -R flag for Recursive
[06:45] <Jowi> Uthini: probably can do uid as well though
[06:45] <frank23> vbgunz: Xen needs to guest OS to be aware of Xen. Xen does not emulate a whole PC
[06:45] <vbgunz> but it doesn't either support windows or run on windows but it is supposed to run some linux distros at near native speeds... man thats beautiful... just blowing the comp out the water in virtual machines... well not just yet but getting there
[06:46] <tristanmike> Answer, how long is that suppose to take?
[06:46] <vbgunz> I just started reading about Xen and thought I ask about it in here... it was on my todo list to see if I could get it up and running tonight
[06:46] <Answer> tristanmike: to uninstall and reinstall nvidia-glx on a fast computer with a fast connection, should not take very long at all
[06:47] <Jowi> Good answer, Answer :-)
[06:47] <vbgunz> working with Nvidia-glx yesterday took only a few minutes on broadband
[06:47] <tristanmike> Answer, I'm still stuck on the uninstall
[06:47] <wezzer> hello, why is there so much updates to hoary now?
[06:47] <wezzer> I need to download 100 MB of different packages
[06:48] <Answer> tristanmike: maybe your nvidia-glx package is corrupted.  if synaptic cannot handle it then you are beyond my expertise
[06:48] <vbgunz> how many updates? Today on Breezy, I installed 96 + 26 + 3 + 26 updates
[06:48] <tristanmike> Answer, thanx :(
[06:48] <wezzer> vbgunz: wow, I didn't need to install that much, luckily :)
[06:48] <Answer> tristanmike: you can try from the root terminal,  sudo apt-get uninstall nvidia-glx
[06:49] <vbgunz> I love it though... Windows only updates Windows whereas Ubuntu seems to update everything and Ubuntu
[06:49] <Jowi> tristanmike: you might want to try to remove it in a terminal to see if you get any errors. sudo ap... ah, Answer beat me to it
[06:49] <Answer> tristanmike: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[06:49] <Answer> not uninstal.
[06:49] <Answer> tristanmike: sudo apt-get check nvidia-glx
[06:50] <rob_p> wezzer:  about half-way finished downloading 51 updates for hoary over here :-)
[06:50] <ompaul> since earlier today I have 40 megs of new material in breezy
[06:50] <vbgunz> I have a 5 button usb intellimouse by Microsoft... Anyone know how I can get my 5 buttons to work? Only left, right and middle work but not the sides... Any ideaS?
[06:50] <ompaul> 111 files since the last time I looked :)
[06:50] <rob_p> wow!
[06:51] <rob_p> keep 'em coming :-)
[06:51] <wolki> hi!
[06:51] <ompaul> 'lo!
[06:52] <wolki> is there an app that allosw me to reencode audio? soundconverter doesn't work
[06:52] <vbgunz> fellas keep it sexy, need to do some things. My pleasure, have fun!
[06:52] <[useless] > hello guys
[06:52] <Jowi> wolki: from what to what? wav to mp3 or ...?
[06:53] <[useless] > anyone here ever palayed starwars racer under cedega ?
[06:53] <wolki> Jowi: flac to mp3/ogg,
[06:53] <tristanmike> Answer, Jowi, thanks, I'll try, but can I just cancel it from synaptic
[06:53] <setite> finally found it
[06:53] <setite> Transitive of Los Gatos, CA
[06:53] <Answer> tristanmike: killall synaptic
[06:53] <Answer> hehe
[06:54] <setite> i think this may jsut be for the new intel macs to run ppc stuff
[06:54] <tristanmike> ok, I'm just copying a file in case my computer blows up, so when that's done, i'll take your advice and let you know
[06:54] <Jowi> wolki: yep. mpg321 or mpg123 to convert it to mp3. oggenc to convert to ogg.
[06:55] <Answer> tristanmike: try to check the package first with    sudo apt-get check nvidia-glx
[06:55] <tristanmike> Answer, yup yup
[06:55] <Jowi> wolki: you might want to install the "flac" package first.
[06:55] <Shrike__> hey guys im running ubuntu under vmware with nat. one problem I cant use netbios names for other computers I have to go by IP.  I tried using my networks dns server in resolv.conf..webpages coming up fine its just computer names
[06:56] <tristanmike> everything was going so well with Ubuntu, nary a problem
[06:56] <setite> http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/transitive_a_platform_dependence_free_future/
[06:56] <Jowi> tristanmike: yeah, just cancel it. you also can not have two different programs installing packages. that will give you an error saying that the files are locked.
[06:56] <wolki> Jowi: ok, thanks. i'll try
[06:57] <tristanmike> Jowi, thanx for the info
[06:57] <Answer> can't start apt-get from the command line with synaptic open anyways
[06:57] <masterloki> hi there I was looking the official page and I saw a feature in breezy. In installation it says "Automatically makes existing hard drive partitions available to the desktop"
[06:58] <masterloki> does this means I can update my hoary
[06:58] <masterloki> without formating?
[06:58] <tristanmike> Answer, once I uninstall the "glx" package, should I restart then reinstall?
[06:58] <Answer> tristanmike: I like to restart as much as possible in times of trouble shooting...
[06:58] <tristanmike> Answer, ok
[06:59] <Jowi> tristanmike: no need to restart usually. but you should restart X with ctrl-alt-backspace when it comes to video drivers and such.
[06:59] <Answer> maybe it would work withour restart, I don't know... I like to err on the side of restarting unnecessarily
[06:59] <sorush20> is there a medical IRC chat
[06:59] <tristanmike> Jowi, that's how I understood it, but I like to confirm stuff :)
[06:59] <ompaul> sorush20, not on Freenode which is all about open source
[06:59] <konsa79> hi
[07:00] <konsa79> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[07:00] <konsa79> and broadcom 64 bit driver?
[07:00] <webtoe> hey people, quick question, does anyone else who is using breezy have icons messed up?
[07:00] <webtoe> i.e. On my gnome desktop, all the icons are the sheet of paper icon instead of what they should be
[07:01] <webtoe> i vaguely remember this happening with hoary but not 100% sure
[07:01] <webtoe> konsa79: what's your problem
[07:01] <Jowi> webtoe: that happens for me when running a different wm instead of gnome and it can not find the icons. try to change the icon-theme from the theme manager in gnome. might fix it.
[07:02] <Jowi> webtoe: i'm using hoary though.
[07:02] <webtoe> k thanks, will give that a go. I understand that things might be messed up in breezy just because it is still in development
[07:02] <wolki> jowi: looks like mpg321 is only a player. can't find anything about encoding in the man page
[07:02] <masterloki> webtoe, can I install breezy like if I where updating or do i have to format like warty-->Hoary?
[07:02] <Jowi> wolki: hang on.
[07:02] <tarawsa33> Any tips on fast data-cd burning. right now i get 5x in KIIIB with a 40x burner? dma enabled and buffer around 98%
[07:02] <webtoe> masterloki: no you can upgrade if you have hoary, the wonders of linux you see
[07:03] <Jowi> wolki: my fault. use oggenc <filename.flac>
[07:04] <frank23> masterloki: warty->hoary was also an upgrade
[07:04] <masterloki> webtoe, Will I get all thing from new kernel & Gnome to graphical boot up?
[07:04] <ompaul> masterloki, however you really should consider backing up your data, and having a live CD ready before you try just in case
[07:04] <Answer> tarawsa: using cdrecord there is an argument for speed=#
[07:04] <Jowi> wolki: thats for ogg. what did i use for mp3? hmmmm..
[07:04] <frank23> masterloki: yes you will
[07:04] <webtoe> masterloki: yes you will though you need to restart a few times, and follow ompaul's advice. Things can go wrong. It is still in development
[07:05] <tarawsa33> answer: cdrecord = command line?
[07:05] <masterloki> I know but I was usign Fedora when Warty cam out and when I installed ubuntu they were on hoary
[07:05] <Answer> tarawsa: yes,  man cdrecord
[07:05] <masterloki> How do I update??
[07:05] <tarawsa33> answer thanks for the answer
[07:05] <Jowi> wolki: oh yes. install and use "lame"
[07:06] <Butcherbird-Jr> Shrike__, So you can ping web pages but not local machines?
[07:06] <tristanmike> Answer, Jowi gonna try, be right back
[07:06] <masterloki> webtoe, How do I update??
[07:06] <webtoe> masterloki: if you have backed up, you need to open /etc/apt/sources.list and change any references to hoary to breezy. then run sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:06] <Shrike__> Butcherbird-Jr, shut up i dont need your help
[07:06] <Jowi> wolki: so "lame" for mp3 and "oggenc" for ogg. both can also set quality levels.
[07:07] <Shrike__> Shrike__, jk how you been man
[07:07] <Answer> tarawsa33:  also see  /etc/default/cdrecord   CDR_SPEED, which may be used by other programs like nautilus-cd-burner
[07:07] <Butcherbird-Jr> Shrike__, Who are you???
[07:07] <masterloki> since I have a Winpartiton with all my data I will just upgrade
[07:07] <Lunar_Lamp> hmm - i'm new to linux and i think i messed up whilst using synaptic manager as it appears to have stalled - how do i cancel it.  i.e. what is the analogue of ctrl+alt+del and clicking end task?
[07:07] <webtoe> masterloki: here's a link for some documentation that will lead you through the process http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradehoarytobreezy
[07:08] <masterloki> webtoe, thanks
[07:08] <Answer> Lunar_Lamp: in the terminal, killall synaptic
[07:08] <wolki> Jowi: ok, thanks. I guess oggenc will work. maybe i should update my scripting knowledge ^^;;;
[07:08] <Butcherbird-Jr> Shrike__, OK seriously "So you can ping web pages but not local machines?"
[07:08] <Answer> Lunar_Lamp: in the terminal, type "top" find hte PID of the Synaptic process, then type in kill <PID>
[07:08] <Shrike__> Butcherbird-Jr, yes
[07:09] <cusco> Lunar_Lamp: sudo killall synaptic
[07:09] <setite> can someone tell me the changes to get breezy... i wanna update kubuntu
[07:09] <Answer> Question: I want to automatically tar and scp some files every night, how?
[07:09] <Jowi> wolki: no probs. i usually only encode to ogg since my "mp3"player support it. "oggenc -q 6 *" converts all flac/wav files to ogg at quality level 6. man oggenc will give you more option.s
[07:09] <Lunar_Lamp> thanks people! :-)
[07:10] <Whistler> hello
[07:10] <webtoe> Answer: you can put it into a script and get cron to run it when you want it to
[07:10] <Whistler> is there any way of formating my partitions from live cd?
[07:10] <Butcherbird-Jr> Shrike__, have you tried adding both your normal dns servers and the actual IP of host(not nat'ed IP) to resolv.conf
[07:10] <Answer> webtoe: How to setup cron to run every night at 2am
[07:10] <setite> !breezy
[07:11] <Shrike__> Butcherbird-Jr, yes
[07:11] <webtoe> Answer: i don't know off the top of my head. You'll need to check the man page
[07:11] <webtoe> man cron.d
[07:11] <Jowi> Answer: crontab -e (for setting it up for the user you're logged into) or sudo crontab -e (for root services).
[07:11] <Butcherbird-Jr> Shrike__, Can you ping them from host OS
[07:12] <Lunar_Lamp> can anyone recommend a very mIRC-like program for me to cross over to? or is xchat the most similar linux application there is?
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. isent cron running all the time anyway.. :P you mean set a script to run via cron at 2 am?
[07:12] <Shrike__> Butcherbird-Jr, yah
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> xchat is the one to use Lunar_Lamp  - faster you get away from mIRC the better. :P
[07:12] <Lunar_Lamp> Dr_Willis, lol
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> Im using xchat on my windows machines also.
[07:13] <Lunar_Lamp> ok - where can i get mouse-gestures for firefox/whole system
[07:13] <tristanmike> Answer, Jowi, that didn't work, still getting the error I posted on pastebin
[07:13] <Lunar_Lamp> as i NEED mouse gestures - i can't survive without them anymore
[07:13] <tristanmike> Answer, now I'm missing the nVidia splash screen too
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> No idea there. :) i havent used Mouse-Gestures since that Game "Black and White" used them in such a BAD way.. :P
[07:13] <evian> perhaps mIRC works in wine?
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> Had such bad experiences with Mouse Gestures I dont even want to try them.
[07:13] <Answer> tristan: you might have conflicting packages or something... did you install other glx or ati drivers?
[07:13] <popey> evian: it does
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> evian,  Blasphmy!
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:14] <tristanmike> Answer, nvidia, it was working up until today
[07:14] <evian> well he can't live without his mouse gestures, I'm just trying to save his life
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> mirc has mouse jestures?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking he wanted them for his browser.
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:14] <tristanmike> What is this code?  "xinit /$usr/local/games/armyops -- :1"
[07:14] <Lunar_Lamp> yeah - i want the mousegestures for firefox, lol
[07:15] <Lunar_Lamp> (though if i can get them system-wide, it would be great!)
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> and it aint a nice one.
[07:15] <evian> I never said I was a doctor
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> tristanmike,  its starting X. and running that single program, on the 2nd tty. (tty8)
[07:15] <popey> Lunar_Lamp: in FF Tools --> Extensions --> get More Extensions --> in web page that opens in the search box type "mouse gestures"
[07:16] <popey> Lunar_Lamp: https://addons.mozilla.org/quicksearch.php?q=mouse+gestures&section=A is the result
[07:16] <popey> Lunar_Lamp: easy
[07:16] <Lunar_Lamp> popey,  thanks - i will try it
[07:16] <Jowi> tristanmike: after you have removed drivers and reinstalled, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:16] <setite> 710 packages to upgrade.. woot
[07:17] <ciluuk> setite, :))
[07:17] <tristanmike> Dr_Willis, is it dangerous?
[07:17] <setite> yup... going to the breezy badger
[07:17] <tristanmike> Jowi, ok
[07:17] <ciluuk> setite, my iso download almost finished....horrayyy
[07:18] <setite> oh your getting the breezy?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> tristanmike,  its starting a game.....
[07:18] <ciluuk> setite, yup
[07:18] <setite> does ubuntu have a netinstall cd
[07:18] <setite> they need that
[07:18] <setite> it would save me time
[07:19] <tristanmike> Use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[07:19] <setite> time to sip a cherry pepsi and watch dist-upgrade go
[07:20] <tristanmike> Do I pick yes or no??
[07:20] <Answer> setite: the Ubuntu Install CD is only one cd, and then you can get the rest of hte packages from the net, so basically it is like the debian net installer
[07:20] <Jowi> tristanmike: some use it some don't. my video card can't handle it so i don't. no idea about nvidia/ati.
[07:20] <setite> dont bank on me.. but i think no....
[07:20] <setite> jowi what does it do...
[07:20] <setite> ive always been told no.. but im sur emy card can handle it
[07:21] <setite> Answer, yes and no... my meaning is a bare minimum with just the installer... and you pick what you want... and then it downloads the packages...
[07:21] <setite> so you dont have to burn a cd
[07:21] <Jowi> tristanmike, setite : it makes use of a virtual graphics screen instead of pure fullscreen text modes. I think... laptops generally never has it.
[07:21] <tristanmike> What have you got me doing???? HELP, I'm so lost, what are all of these screens?
[07:22] <Jowi> tristanmike: just say "no" and you will be fine
[07:22] <pl_ice> heyya
[07:22] <tristanmike> How do I know which options to pick
[07:22] <pl_ice> g'night :)
[07:22] <setite> tristanmike, its creepy the first time... be patient... and no is the safe answer
[07:22] <Answer> setite: I want the installer condensed into a web applet that can takeover windows systems thru the browser
[07:22] <setite> just ask and ill help you answer.. ive done that thing alot
[07:22] <setite> haha good luck with that Answer .. im sure my suggestion has a better chance
[07:23] <Answer> setite: all you have to do is make a partition for the install files, and install grub to boot from that partition, and reboot.  sounds easy
[07:23] <tristanmike> Attempt mouse device autodetection?
[07:23] <mumbles> Trackilizer press yes
[07:23] <Jowi> tristanmike: yep.
[07:23] <setite> tristanmike sure
[07:23] <setite> Answer, bla bla i know all that but i want a netinstall cd
[07:23] <tristanmike> should I just stick with the default entries?
[07:24] <stoeptegel> I'am in GVIM and want to find &replace a word. This can be done with a command right?  How do i get at the commandline in Vim?
[07:24] <setite> what would be awesome is one that would be universal... so i could use it to start a netinstall of 64bit on one pc.. and even use it on a friends pc to install 32bit
[07:24] <Answer> setite: use the install cd with the option CUSTOM and you can select the minimal packages you want.
[07:24] <Jowi> wb Hoxzer^
[07:24] <Hoxzer^> wb :E