[00:26] <rick_h__> cjohnston: natefinch veriried that 1.17.3 allows me to deploy. Had to update the juju/devel ppa to get it
[00:48] <lazyPower> rick_h__: enjoy your weekend when it gets here. o/  thanks again for the help
[00:48] <rick_h__> lazyPower: will do, you have fun as well
[02:09] <cjohnston> thanks rick_h__
[03:05] <designated> does anyone have a minute to help me with a juju issue?
[03:05] <designated> I've installed maas and it seems to be working fine, have comissioned one node but when i do a juju status --debug it hangs at opening state; mongo addresses:
[03:07] <designated> and the node has moved from ready to allocated to user, even though I haven't installed any juju charms on it
[03:50] <designated> anyone know how to resolve https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1178312
[03:50] <_mup_> Bug #1178312: ERROR state: TLS handshake failed: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority <config> <cts-cloud-review> <ui> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178312>
[21:18] <cjohnston> hazmat: ping
[21:21] <cjohnston> hazmat: when you come around, I just started seeing bug #1269519 again
[21:21] <_mup_> Bug #1269519: Error on allwatcher api <juju-core:Fix Released by rogpeppe> <juju-deployer:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269519>
[22:19] <hazmat> cjohnston, what of?
[22:20] <hazmat> cjohnston, nutshell.. was in comment at end
[22:20] <hazmat> cjohnston, namely juju 1.17+ fixes.. otherwise not resolved in deployer (fix would be series of short conns there instead of one conn per deploy).
[22:21] <hazmat> but given core already resolved, upgrades are the best fix.. cjohnston curious though what kind of deploy config  is apt to trigger.
[22:33] <hazmat> cjohnston, if you can attach logs from machine 0 that would be helpful
[22:33] <hazmat> cjohnston, and your deployer logs as well
[22:34] <hazmat> i can do the nesc. workaround in deployer.. haven't seen it though.. otoh.. i only really do manual provider atm
[22:34] <hazmat> afaics rog's fix should resolve it
[22:34] <hazmat> so curious to see the logs
[22:35] <cjohnston> ack.. I'll see if I cant get it again
[22:35] <cjohnston> hazmat: also.. deployer seems broken from the last release
[22:35] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/ubuntu-ci-services-itself/pin-juju-deployer-revno/+merge/207805  has the error
[22:35] <hazmat> cjohnston, hmm... traceback log?
[22:35] <cjohnston> I'm not sure why ev went back to 88 instead of just 100 (IIRC)
[22:36] <cjohnston> but we were using trunk and that started popping up
[22:36] <hazmat> cjohnston, that's not trunk or last release
[22:37] <hazmat> cjohnston, the using runtime now also says the name of the env
[22:37] <cjohnston> hazmat: L27 is where he removed trunk to replace it with 88
[22:39] <hazmat> cjohnston, which version of juju-core?
[22:40] <hazmat> cjohnston, the last release has some fixes for juju 1.17+ .. ie. admin-secret auto gen and only in jenv as well as support for juju switch files instead of explicit JUJU_ENV
[22:40] <cjohnston> hazmat: I don't remember if I got it when I was still on 1.17.x or after I downgraded to 1.16.6
[22:40] <hazmat> or default in juju env
[22:40] <hazmat> .yaml
[22:41] <hazmat> cjohnston, so if you can reproduce with latest deployer on a 1.17.1+ i can take a look... but at the moment your saying unknown version of juju and old version of deployer.
[22:42] <cjohnston> hazmat: are you going to be around for a bit? if so, I can destroy what I have and do some deployments and debugging.. if not, we can look at it on Monday
[22:42] <hazmat> cjohnston, i'll be around for an hr or 2.
[22:42] <cjohnston> ok..
[22:42] <cjohnston> destroying, then I'll check things out
[22:43] <hazmat> cjohnston, feel free to ping whenever.. i keep an irc proxy up that generally works :-) if not i'll ping back on monday.
[22:43] <cjohnston> I just don't want to destroy stuff and then findout you need something I missed :-)
[22:44] <hazmat> cjohnston, mostly i just  need confirmation of issue with latest versions.. if its the watcher closed thing i'd like logs from machine 0 / state-server and the deployer log.
[22:44] <cjohnston> ack
[22:45] <cjohnston> bootstrapping now
[22:46] <hazmat> cjohnston, specifically.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1269519 should not happen with juju core 1.17.1+ and the other issue/merge you linked is resolved in latest release (and afaics applies primarily to 1.17+ releases of juju-core (no admin-secret in environments.yaml)
[22:46] <_mup_> Bug #1269519: Error on allwatcher api <juju-core:Fix Released by rogpeppe> <juju-deployer:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269519>
[22:49] <cjohnston> hazmat: ok.. first bit of data
[22:49] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6978834/
[22:49] <cjohnston> Package: juju-core
[22:49] <cjohnston> New: yes
[22:50] <cjohnston> State: installed
[22:50] <cjohnston> Automatically installed: no
[22:50] <cjohnston> Version: 1.17.3-0ubuntu1
[22:50] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6978835/
[22:50] <cjohnston> What other info do you need for that one?
[22:54]  * hazmat back
[22:54] <hazmat> cjohnston, what version of jujuclient is that?
[22:55] <cjohnston> 0.15-0ubuntu1
[22:56] <hazmat> cjohnston, is your environment bootstrapped?
[22:57] <hazmat> cjohnston,  what version of juju-core?
[22:57] <cjohnston> hazmat: I pasted the juju-core version above.. 1.17.3-0ubuntu1
[22:57] <hazmat> basically its saying you have no jenv file, and you have no admin-secret.
[22:57] <hazmat> which afaics means at min your not bootstrapped.
[22:58] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6978856/
[23:01] <cjohnston> hazmat: it seems bootstrapped to me
[23:01] <hazmat> cjohnston, can.. you run the following
[23:01] <hazmat> cjohnston, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6978876/
[23:01] <hazmat> cjohnston, you seem to be picking up a different version of deployer.. in rev 101.. the  log line is Using runtime %s on %s
[23:02] <hazmat> you've just got using runtime.. without the env name, which is suspect to an older version
[23:02] <hazmat> of deployer
[23:03] <hazmat> ie you've got a current checkout in /tmp.. but depending on old installations, you might be picking up a different version
[23:03] <hazmat> cjohnston, hmm
[23:04] <hazmat> that is odd
[23:04] <cjohnston> hazmat: what's odd tho is if I used the mp from ev which checks out revno 88, it worked
[23:06] <hazmat> cjohnston, could you paste bin $ env | grep JUJU
[23:07] <cjohnston> env | grep JUJU returns nothing
[23:07] <hazmat> cjohnston, cool.. can you pastebin ls of ~/.juju
[23:08] <cjohnston> environments  environments.yaml  ssh
[23:09] <hazmat> cjohnston, so i'm going to commit revno 102
[23:10] <hazmat> cjohnston, ic an issue on the traceback which should resolve
[23:10] <cjohnston> ok, cool
[23:11] <hazmat> pushed
[23:11] <cjohnston> testing
[23:12] <hazmat> cjohnston, still in forensics mode.. the commit was mostly just correct the traceback
[23:14] <hazmat> cjohnston, is
[23:14] <cjohnston> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6978940/
[23:14] <hazmat>  lcy01 your default environment in environments.yaml
[23:15] <cjohnston> hazmat: it is
[23:15] <hazmat> cjohnston, ok.. i'll make an egg on face release 0.3.4 which fixes.. you can work around via JUJU_ENV="lyc01" or juju switch lyc01
[23:17] <hazmat> cjohnston, pushed fix
[23:17] <hazmat> revno 102
[23:17] <hazmat> er. 104
[23:17] <hazmat> er. 103
[23:17] <cjohnston> lol
[23:17]  * hazmat gives up and goes back to the bottle
[23:17] <hazmat> cjohnston, that should resolve .. i'll wait around for confirmation
[23:17] <cjohnston> not yet! I'm not done with you!
[23:17] <cjohnston> lol
[23:18] <hazmat> cjohnston, so no juju switch or JUJU_ENV needed with revno 103..
[23:22] <cjohnston> hazmat: question for you... I haven't investigated much with this yet... when using core 1.17+ to deploy our stuff, I have an issue... we deploy the python-django charm.. for some reason, django stays on 1.3.1 (the precise version) which causes an error when running the postgres changed hook. If I downgrade to core 1.16.6, python-django is the correct version and works.. have you seen/heard of anything like
[23:22] <cjohnston> that
[23:23] <cjohnston> when deployed with 1.17+ if I juju ssh into the instance, and do apt-cache policy python-django I do see 1.5.x available, but 1.3.1 is what's installed
[23:24] <hazmat> cjohnston, on precise.. juju need cloud archive tools pocket for mongodb.. on 1.16 it installed mongodb from cloud archive.. 1.17 it added cloud-archive but only installed mongodb explicitly from it.
[23:24] <hazmat> and cloud-archive... happens to hold openstack.. of which horizon/dashboard uses djanog
[23:25] <cjohnston> $%^& timeouts
[23:25] <hazmat> ie. 1.17 tries to be explicit about just mongo from cloud archive.. 1.16 picked up django from there.
[23:25] <cjohnston> gotcha
[23:26] <cjohnston> is there a good workaround for that?
[23:26] <hazmat> cjohnston, you mean you need django 1.5 ?
[23:26] <cjohnston> yes
[23:27] <hazmat> cjohnston, i call it virtualenv ... with offline src install from charm cached src... but ignoring that for the moment.. ppa for django?
[23:27] <cjohnston> we can do that, I just wasn't sure if that's the best way
[23:28] <hazmat> cjohnston, for py apps.. i'm a bit biased.. i tend to go venv
[23:28] <hazmat> biased being a py dev
[23:28] <cjohnston> we are wanting to not do venv's
[23:28] <hazmat> cjohnston, re ppa.. requires testing to verify on conflicts
[23:29] <hazmat> cjohnston, spotify did a nice debian packaging helper based on venv
[23:29] <hazmat> https://github.com/spotify/dh-virtualenv
[23:30] <hazmat> cjohnston, based on your src paths for deployer your already have way down the rd to venv
[23:30] <hazmat> trusty pkgs and juju stable ppa  pkgs coming
[23:30] <hazmat> for 0.3.4
[23:30] <cjohnston> sweet
[23:31] <cjohnston> hazmat: is it possible to get those for saucy and precise as well?
[23:31] <hazmat> cjohnston, hence the juju stable ppa
[23:31] <cjohnston> ahh
[23:32] <cjohnston> wow.. juju/stable has old stuff
[23:32] <hazmat> cjohnston, so things working?
[23:32] <cjohnston> :-)
[23:32] <cjohnston> looks like it
[23:32] <hazmat> cool
[23:32] <cjohnston> I just got my pgsql-relation-joined error
[23:33]  * hazmat uploads 0.3.4
[23:33] <hazmat> to pypi
[23:35] <cjohnston> thanks for your help hazmat
[23:46] <hazmat> cjohnston, np. thanks for the feedback. have a good one.
[23:46] <cjohnston> you too!


[09:38] <tomreyn> i don't actually use kubuntu myself, but have been told that 22.04 has stability issues due to, IIRC plasma shell upstream. If that's a common issue, would it make sense to add a note to the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu so that users of previous releases can make an educated choice about upgrading (just yet)?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[19:08] <valorie> tomreyn: the only problem I ever have had in 22.04 is the general slide in the quality of Chrome
[19:08] <valorie> but that is not a Kub. issue
[19:25] <mmikowski> tomreyn: What issues are you specifically concerned about? There are bugs in both 20.04 and 22.04, but they are both quite stable.
[19:25] <mmikowski> hi valorie! :)
[19:26] <mmikowski> agreed about chrome having issues, but those have subsided in recent releases. Two issues that appear fixed recently is some weird scaling issues, and a hang during opening.
[19:27] <mmikowski> A third chrome bug we are watching is one where the text gets corrupted on select web sites on intel systems.
[22:26] <valorie> hey mmikowski


[08:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: 2 days left, do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/suspend_screenshoting/+merge/257119 !
[08:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually flashing my mako now to test
[08:49] <tsdgeos> \o/
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, SessionGrabber::screenshotGrabbed, don't want ::grabbed?
[08:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and re: shared ptr, yeah for the watcher
[08:53] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think i prefer the extra verbosity there tbh
[08:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah and now I get it I think, the watcher likely registers itself with the future that's on the other thread?
[08:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: tbh i don't think i need a shared pointer in there
[08:55] <tsdgeos> i can just use a raw pointer as well
[08:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, /me just looked at the whole .reset() logic and thought it maybe unnecessarily complex
[08:56] <tsdgeos> i just did it because the evil unity-api people created noise on my head about how raw pointers are evil
[08:57] <tsdgeos> let me turn it into a raw pointer
[08:57] <Saviq> :D
[09:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: pushed
[09:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx, btw, you being in BlueFin it'd make sense to grab someone from design and show them this, ask if maybe they'd like some visual treatment
[09:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, noticed a visual issue: splash → screenshot has no transition
[09:13] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[09:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what transition would you like there
[09:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think we need a fade-in
[09:20] <tsdgeos> Saviq:  "Yeah, but at least it writes in ~/.cache/*unity8*/, not in ~/.cache/ directly ;)"
[09:20] <tsdgeos> well the trello card said to write in .cache directly
[09:20] <tsdgeos> thus is what i did
[09:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I don't think the trello card went to such detail :)
[09:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so: show splash → fade screenshot in → drop splash → fade app in → drop screenshot
[09:20] <tsdgeos> oh it did
[09:21] <tsdgeos> "Screenshots should be stored on suspend, removed on user-close, in $cacheDir/app_shots/$app_id.png, and loaded from there by the Shell if app has not drawn to a surface yet."
[09:21] <tsdgeos> i guess you can argue that $cacheDir should be .cache/unity8
[09:21] <tsdgeos> tbh i don't care
[09:21] <tsdgeos> i'm just following wht other places of the code want
[09:21] <tsdgeos> if you want me to use QStandardDirs
[09:21] <tsdgeos> i'll do that
[09:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I just don't want to pollute ~/.cache/*
[09:44] <Saviq> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/add-qpa-version-depends/+merge/257866
[09:46] <greyback> looks reasonable, testing..
[10:38] <dandrader> Saviq, that's new. adding the ppa and doing dist upgrade always worked
 dandrader, sure, because dist-upgrade upgrades everything
[10:42] <Saviq>  dandrader, but if you `apt-get install unity8`, it will only upgrade unity8 and explicit deps
[10:43] <Saviq> dandrader, without those explicit deps we might end up in a situation where, say, ubuntu-keyboard gets released into distro, but unity8 is held back for whatever reason
[10:44] <Saviq> and people will dist-upgrade ubuntu-keyboard and find stuff broken
[10:47] <Saviq> dandrader, so we really need to remember to encode real dependencies between packages
[10:49] <dandrader> Saviq, and what dependency tree (or mesh) do you suggest?
[10:49] <Saviq> dandrader, depends on what reality is
[10:50] <Saviq> dandrader, if qtubuntu breaks unity8, it should say so, same for ubuntu-keyboard, if either unity8 or qtubuntu breaks it, it should have a Breaks
[10:50] <Saviq> or
[10:50] <Saviq> if ubuntu-keyboard depends on qtubuntu or unity8 at certain versions
[10:50] <Saviq> then u-k should have a Depends
[10:51] <dandrader> Saviq, so you wanna make ubuntu-keyboard depend on unity8?
[10:52] <Saviq> dandrader, no, but unity8 might Breaks: ubuntu-keyboard (<< foo)
[10:53] <dandrader> Saviq, unity8 will break the current dialer-app as it will be rotated to landscape and look horrible. should unity8 package also have Breaks: dialer-app << foo?
[10:54] <dandrader> Saviq, I'm not sure we should go down that road...
[10:54] <Saviq> dandrader, "look horrible" is ~fine
[10:55] <Saviq> dandrader, I'm talking about real breakage, like stuff won't boot / work
[10:55] <Saviq> dandrader, you can fix dialer by rotating to portrait, you can't fix a keyboard that doesn't launch
[10:56] <dandrader> Saviq, in that case I don't think there's a need to tie unity8 with ubuntu-keyboard
[10:56] <Saviq> dandrader, sure, I'm not saying there is, I'm just asking to consider it
[10:58] <Saviq> dandrader, basically what I'm saying is, consider what would be the impact of only intalling ubuntu-keyboard or only unity8, or only qtubuntu, or any two of those
[10:58] <Saviq> dandrader, and if in some case stuff gets really broken, we need to prevent it from happening
[11:00] <dandrader> Saviq, but how realistic are those scenarios?
[11:00] <Saviq> dandrader, quite
[11:00] <Saviq> dandrader, when publishing stuff from a silo, they land together in proposed
[11:00] <Saviq> dandrader, then, DEP-8 tests are run on them all
[11:00] <dandrader> Saviq, what's DEP-8?
[11:02] <Saviq> dandrader, autopkgtest
[11:02] <Saviq> dandrader, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html
[11:03] <Saviq> dandrader, if one of the DEP-8 tests fails for whatever reason, the rest of the packages will still migrate to the main archive
[11:03] <Saviq> dandrader, an image can be built in that situation and break people's phones
[11:04] <Saviq> dandrader, doesn't really matter what the reason might be for the migration to be delayed, it might even just be a test suite taking longer
[11:05] <Saviq> and appropriate dependencies are the only way to prevent that
[11:46] <tsdgeos> @unity: what do you guys think about https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/add_override/+merge/257865 ?
[11:46] <sidi> hmkay so, my unity started playing up and crashing on start for no apparent reason (literally I just changed a static string I use for debug). I reverted my change, and it would then refuse to compile because of an alleged missing type in tests/gnome-session-manager.c (which I've obviously never touched). It would compile if I removed the tests/ subdir but immediately crash on launch. --advanced-debug showed various "graceful" shutdowns, sigaborts, si
[11:46] <sidi> gsegvs, usually when the GMainLoop starts or CompWindow code is touched. Then, I reverted *all* my code back to the original lp branch you guys maintain. I removed my ~/staging dir. I purged /usr/local just in case. I reinstalled compiz and unity from the package manager. I even grepped for "staging" in /usr/bin in case the unity script still refers to something long gone. It still crashes every time i try to log in. What can that be?
[12:05] <greyback> tsdgeos: a +1 from me. I didn't know clang could do that
[12:31] <tsdgeos> greyback: yeah it's great, it has some other stuff
[12:31] <tsdgeos> like turning the correct 0 to nullptr
[12:32] <tsdgeos> and some other stuff
[12:32] <greyback> nice
[12:32] <tsdgeos> but i find the override one to be most usefull really
[12:32] <tsdgeos> since 0 to nullptr is "mostly" "stylistic"
[12:32] <tsdgeos> and the override stuff is actually helping if stuff chnges
[12:39] <dandrader> Saviq, so qtubuntu/shellRotation is backwards compatible
[12:41] <Saviq> MacSlow, saw my comment on your shellRotation MP?
[12:41] <MacSlow> Saviq, have not looked at shellRotation today... but will do later today
[12:41] <Saviq> k
[12:43] <MacSlow> Saviq, hm... that's odd... this missing _ for get_unity_pid() I did fix... I'll sort it out before my EOD
[13:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, I'm not sure https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fixruntests/+merge/257745 is right... it means that a failed test will result in FAILURE, not UNSTABLE as today
[13:11] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it does, yes
[13:11] <Saviq> and so the job won't even collect the test results
[13:11] <Saviq> so we basically lose a state, we're only left with SUCCESS and FAILURE
[13:12] <tsdgeos> that's right
[13:12] <tsdgeos> didn't realize we were losing test results
[13:13] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it's a bit ugly though, it will help us when things go bad like now where we were not running the dbus-launch tests
[13:13] <tsdgeos> and it was all green
[13:13] <tsdgeos> i'm open to another sugestion on how to fix that if you have one
[13:14] <tsdgeos> or i can try to be smarter and see if it's xvfb-run failing or make failing
[13:14] <tsdgeos> and then return an error or not
[13:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we need to speak with fginther on what's the right approach there
[13:15] <tsdgeos> not sure how fragile that is
[13:15] <Saviq> and what can jenkins do for us
[13:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so that's where the ~100 new tests come from?
[13:17] <tsdgeos> i guess
[13:18] <tsdgeos> we had a dbus-launch'ed tests that just didn't happen
[13:18] <tsdgeos> switched them to dbus-test-runner
[13:18] <Saviq> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-vivid/test/
[13:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, on that note, I just dropped it all in the qmltest refactor...
[13:18] <tsdgeos> dropped what?
[13:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, refactored QmlTest.cmake
[13:19] <tsdgeos> k
[13:19] <tsdgeos> i'll have a look
[13:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so your change from dbus-launch to dbus-test-runner died (but I did make the dbus tests work)
[13:30] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok
[13:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: pushed QStandardPaths stuff
[13:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[15:41] <tsdgeos> mterry_: is there a test we could add for https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qmenumodel/nullify-state-variant/+merge/257902 ?
[15:49] <tsdgeos> larsu: can you quick review https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qmenumodel/nullify-state-variant/+merge/257902 ?
[15:52] <larsu> tsdgeos: done. obivous. thanks.
[15:52] <larsu> *obvious
[15:57] <tsdgeos> larsu: thanks :)
[16:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: if you have some extra 5 minutes, maybe try https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/cancel-pam-harder/+merge/251174 ?
[16:09] <mterry_> tsdgeos, sorry, was afk
[16:09] <tsdgeos> mterry_: no worries, we've already top approved it :D
[16:10] <mterry_> tsdgeos, yeah ok  :)
[16:10] <tsdgeos> mterry_: now we need someone to launch it though
[16:10] <mterry_> tsdgeos, it was a simple fix, barely test worthy
[16:10] <tsdgeos> mterry_: don't know, sure the fix is obvious, but having a test exercising the function may still be worth in case it breaks somewhere else, but yeah
[16:10] <tsdgeos> don't worry
[16:11] <tsdgeos> just get someone to silo it :D
[16:11] <mterry_> tsdgeos, fair
[16:11] <mterry_> tsdgeos, the interaction was complicated, I didn't track down the exact repo steps that a test would need
[16:11] <mterry_> tsdgeos, eh, it will get rolled up in the next qmenumodel release, eh?
[16:11] <tsdgeos> understand
[16:11] <mterry_> or do other teams not do release days like unity8?
[16:12] <tsdgeos> mterry_: i don't think qmenumodel release will happen unless we make it happen D
[16:12] <tsdgeos> like last release is from 3 months ago
[16:12] <tsdgeos> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/qmenumodel/trunk/changes/116?start_revid=116
[16:12] <tsdgeos> and it just had 1 change
[16:12] <mterry_> fair
[16:12] <tsdgeos> so i think we need to find someone to do it or do it ourselves
[16:36] <tsdgeos> greyback: dednick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/+bug/1450377 any idea?
[16:38] <dednick> tsdgeos: not off-hand. would need to look into it
[16:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hehe fun, I managed to suspend browser before it drawn, so I had an appshot of the splash screen ;)
[16:52] <tsdgeos> lol
[16:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, only issue I can see is activity indicator moving up'n'down between splashscreen and screenshot, but I won't block on that
[16:53] <tsdgeos> yeah i didn't really love that either, hard to fix though tbh
[16:54] <tsdgeos> since the activity indicator of the splash can be in various places
[16:54] <tsdgeos> the other thing about the screenshot is weird
[16:54] <Saviq> well, we tell it where to be, so in theory we could tell it over splash screen too
[16:54] <tsdgeos> since  property bool needToTakeScreenshot: has  sessionContainer.surface && d.surfaceInitialized
[16:54] <Saviq> s/splash screen/screenshot/
[16:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hmm, could it be that surface was initialized but not drawn to?
[16:57] <tsdgeos> may be, not really deep on qtmir's knowledge at that level tbh
[16:57] <Saviq> greyback, ↑?
[16:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think we'll later need to tweak it so that if splash screen is shown at all (well, it will always be shown, right?) it will be shown for at least 200ms or something
[16:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, because now the splash screen shows but is covered by screenshot before it reaches the screen
[16:59] <Saviq> but again, not a blocker
[16:59] <tsdgeos> makes sense
[17:03]  * greyback back, was chatting
[17:05] <greyback> Saviq: tsdgeos: surface (i.e. the mirsurfaceitem) will only appear in qml when it has the first frame drawn
[17:05] <Saviq> wierd
[17:06] <greyback> but it may be that the first frame mir gives us is not the frame the app drew
[17:06] <greyback> that is a theory I have had for while now
[17:07] <greyback> so I think there's a delaying timer before we hide the screenshot/splashscreen
[20:58] <mhall119> Saviq: mzanetti: can one of you help answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/615917/unity8-development-install-troubleshooting/616561#616561


[05:07] <guruprasad> RikMills, I have reset them now and many of them are back alive and picking up builds now.


[01:08] <JackYu> stgraber, done:).
[04:46] <darkxst> anyone able to look at gnome-online-miners in NEW?
[10:00] <apw> jibel, i think the linux autopkgtest testing for amd64 has broken at the testbed stage, we really ought to make that not a test failure, but a third type
[10:11] <ogra> test failre, test success and test wonky ?
[10:13] <xnox> ogra: if no tests managed to run the state is unknown. it tells nothing about the test success-rate. I'd expect wonky to be something that is flapping between pass & fail, with no good reason (e.g. racy)
[10:13] <jibel> apw, right. BTW it will likely fail again with no space left on device. But the disk size is already set to 40G and there is only 96GB left on the machine so if 2 tests run in parallel it'll quickly kill the host.
[10:14] <ogra> xnox, heh, ok
[10:14] <jibel> apw, is there any change in -14 that made the kernel become much bigger on amd64?
[10:15] <jibel> in this case it is not wonky or unknown, it is ENOSPC
[10:16] <apw> jibel, checking
[10:17] <apw> jibel, nothing stands out, the resulting binaries seem in the normal ball park, and the changes to the source are minimal
[10:21] <apw> jibel, how much space are we allowed to consume when building
[10:21] <jibel> apw, 40GB, how much space do you need?
[10:21] <apw> about 5 i would say
[10:23] <jibel> apw, it is already 37G Feb 28 10:22 trusty-amd64-linux-20140228_085329.GIxHVG.img and will crash in 3
[10:27] <xnox> apw: launchpad tells me that build needed "1747884k disk space" is that lies, or was there cleanup done along the way? what does adt test do to require so much space?
[10:28] <xnox> apw: can we do intermediate clean-ups at all?
[10:28] <jibel> apw, actually the build tree is 12GB, we need twice that size because adt does a copy but we run out of inodes
[10:28] <apw> jibel, ok based on what i have here, it is 11G per flavour, and you have the thing set to say it is autopkgtest which only builds one flavour
[10:28] <xnox> jibel: would declaring access to writable tree help? (then no copy is done?!)
[10:29] <apw> yeah 12GB is believeable, we do have a heck of a lot of files and always more
[10:31] <apw> so somewhere we have doubled from 5ish to 11ish, which i suspect is the new module signing stuff
[10:31] <apw> but we should cap out at that
[10:33] <apw> to be honest this is one of those cases where the testing config is not rich enough, and we don't want linux testing run on linux, only on deps of linux
[10:33] <apw> (or is that rdeps, but you get my drift)
[10:34] <apw> can we test which package we are testing on behalf of ?
[10:50] <jibel> apw, we have this info but no exclusion rule like "don't test myself". Currently when a new kernel is uploaded it triggers a test of the kernel and eglibc
[10:52] <ockham> could someone grant me an FFe, please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gourmet/+bug/1286073
[10:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1286073 in gourmet (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update gourmet to 0.17.0" [Undecided,New]
[10:58] <xnox> jibel: but can the trigger reason be included in the environment? e.g. that way adt tests in linux package whould check that environment variable and do "exit 0" straight away without doing anything.
[11:04] <jibel> xnox, yes, I can probably extend the system of overrides used to define a specific environment to support this, and add something like if the cause is myself then skip the test. But I need to think a little bit because the causes of the test and the definition of the environment are physically in 2 different places. And I don't want to spread too many configuration files all over the place.
[11:05] <ockham> ^ anyone, pls?
[11:05] <xnox> jibel: i don't think it's a good idea to define policy in the infrastructure. it's just a test is free to act/test different things depending on what triggered it.
[11:43] <apw> xnox, jibel, if i knew via environment or whaever in my test i assume i could write one to do it right
[11:48] <infinity> ockham: So, a few things: (a) why the added ipython Recommends?  (b) can you get it updated in Debian instead and ask for a sync?
[11:48] <infinity> ockham: None of the upstream changes look like they need an FFe, it's just simple bugfixes.
[11:49] <infinity> ockham: But the ipython Recommends is a bit heavy unless that one file/interface is a critically important part of the overall package.  If it's not, I'd suggest dropping that to Suggests.
[11:49] <infinity> ockham: And I'd definitely suggest forwarding any packaging improvements to Debian instead of forking in Ubuntu.
[13:29] <ockham> infinity: thx a bunch for reviewing this! answered your questions over at the bug report.


[01:54] <darkxst> my laptop doesnt like saucy ;(
[01:54] <darkxst> keep getting a black screen that I can't get out of
[01:54] <darkxst> probably lockscreen related
[02:13] <jbicha> I think I hit that once yesterday; I'm running almost vanilla saucy
[02:17] <darkxst> yeh same
[02:54] <bjsnider> vanilla sauce?
[02:55] <bjsnider> sounds good
[04:56] <roasted> just read lubuntu is going to ship Mir. has Ubuntu gnome figured out what it will ship with in the future?
[05:10] <darkxst> roasted, no
[05:10] <darkxst> unlikely we will ship mir as default in saucy though
[05:11] <darkxst> gdm needs quite some patching
[05:18]  * snwh is away: Away
[06:44] <IdleOne> Lubuntu is not shipping Mir with 13.10.
[06:44] <IdleOne> that was a mistake
[06:46] <IdleOne> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-June/004793.html
[14:03] <roasted_> good call, IdleOne. I thought it was strange that the link I read 404'd when I went to it.
[14:04] <roasted_> darkxst: I wasn't so much curious about Saucy in particular, but just whether or not there was any sort of long term projection between mir and wayland as UbuGnome's path into the future. That's all. :D
[23:42] <darkxst> roasted, long term will be wayland....


 The orig was too huge to get on the hotel wifi I was on then so I couldn't do a test build :P
[18:23] <Laney> thought you might want to look
[19:13] <Rhonda> Laney: Nope, rather a kernel upgrade reboot. :)
[20:51] <jose1999> hola
[22:26] <pipedream> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIcW36J-h7Q&feature=youtu.be
[22:26] <pipedream> err
[22:26] <pipedream> kbye
[22:31] <highvoltage> kbye pipedream


[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <jibel> good morning dholbach
[07:22] <dholbach> hey jibel :)
[07:37] <Noskcaj> typewith.me isn't letting me onto typewith.me/p/netbootppc i need to finish the testcase
[08:12] <phillw> Noskcaj: I'm also getting a timeout.
[08:12] <phillw> I've got to go out for a couple of hours, hopefully it will waken up soon.
[17:18] <balloons> noskcaj, I guess I may not catch you
[19:38] <balloons> Noskcaj, good morning!
[19:39] <Noskcaj> balloons: morning
[19:39] <balloons> your an early riser ;-)
[19:39] <balloons> you may have noticed you've been added to the admin team for testcases
[19:39] <balloons> that should make it easier for you to colloborate with everyone :-)
[19:40] <Noskcaj> balloons: thanks, and its 6:30 am in australia so not really
[19:40] <balloons> anytime before 7 am is early for me
[19:40] <balloons> ;-p
[19:40] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:46] <phillw> hi Noskcaj, give me a ping when balloons has finished with you and I'll run through a few things with you.
[19:46] <balloons> phillw, have at it
[19:46] <balloons> Noskcaj, basically there's a wiki page and a sandbox to play in
[19:46] <balloons> you'll like it :-)
[19:49] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:52] <Noskcaj> i have done as much as i cam because of a bug in the installer
[19:52] <Noskcaj> http://typewith.me/p/netbootppc
[20:05] <Noskcaj> wxl: can you put the end on the netbootppc testcase as my g4 bugs out
[20:05] <wxl> as soon as i get a new ac adapter Noskcaj :(
[20:06] <Noskcaj> wxl: ok
[20:06] <Noskcaj> wxl: is there anyone else who can finish it
[22:14] <czajkowski> balloons: ping
[22:14] <czajkowski> hggdh: ping
[22:14] <balloons> czajkowski, you caught me :-)
[22:14] <czajkowski> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa  the loco team ubuntu-qa are requesting this list
[22:14] <hggdh> czajkowski: consider yourself ponged
[22:15] <czajkowski> it falls under their naming scheme for ubuntu locos
[22:15] <balloons> ohh boy
[22:15] <hggdh> darn
[22:15] <czajkowski> indeed
[22:16] <czajkowski> I did bring this up to the QA folks a long time ago that they really needed to look at the naming
[22:16] <hggdh> well
[22:16] <czajkowski> all loco teams are requred to use the iso code ubntu-isocode
[22:16] <balloons> sure sure.. Has this sort of thing happened in the past?
[22:16] <balloons> I mean, at this point it could be confusing
[22:16] <balloons> for everyone ;-)
[22:16] <czajkowski> well
[22:17] <hggdh> it could be, for either side
[22:17] <czajkowski> we got their irc channel back recently which ye guys had already
[22:17] <czajkowski> and the LP team again which ye guys had already :)
[22:17] <balloons> they just want more :-)
[22:17] <kaziweb> czajkowski: I'm here.
[22:17] <hggdh> czajkowski: you mean 2 out of 3 done?
[22:17] <balloons> I'm sure we can transition something
[22:17] <czajkowski> hggdh: yup
[22:18] <czajkowski> the last bit being their mailing list
[22:18]  * hggdh sees the writing on the wall
[22:18] <balloons> can we keep the archives intact etc.. if so, there' s no real issue
[22:18] <czajkowski> hggdh: balloons basically when people searches for teams they find easier when it's all the same format
[22:18] <balloons> just lots of communication and doc changing
[22:18] <czajkowski> balloons: I'm sure you can get a downlaoded version of the archives with IS
[22:18] <hggdh> czajkowski: no contention from me, I actually like standards that are followed
[22:18] <czajkowski> and get them added to ubuntu-testing
[22:18] <balloons> yes, but I'd like a seamless change
[22:19] <balloons> anyways, it's just a question of doing it
[22:19] <czajkowski> balloons: I'd like a lot of things, namely sleep :)
[22:19] <balloons> no worries from me
[22:19] <balloons> can we get some time for this one though?
[22:19] <balloons> I'm leaving till UDS, then there is UDS :-)
[22:20] <hggdh> czajkowski: rest assured, I will not prevent you from sleeping. Not by an action of mine.
[22:20]  * hggdh reserves INactions as an option ;-)
[22:20] <czajkowski> balloons: I'll be at UDS :D
[22:20] <czajkowski> kaziweb: so look we are going to try and resolve this for you
[22:20] <hggdh> czajkowski: can we discuss it there?
[22:20] <czajkowski> as I said it's not a straight forward turn around to change this as there are archives that need to be moved
[22:20] <balloons> yes if they are ok with giving us a bit to migrate then yep
[22:20] <czajkowski> and I will do my best to get this sorted for you as soon as possible but it will not happen this week
[22:21] <hggdh> czajkowski: basically -- from my side -- it is returning u-qa, but in a way we do not lose anything
[22:21] <czajkowski> balloons: yeah hope to do it *soon* as they cant set up any list without this change
[22:21] <kaziweb> czajkowski: thanks a lot. It seems very helpful. I'm sure we will get help on this.
[22:21] <czajkowski> which means they can't do things either unless via irc
[22:21] <czajkowski> hggdh: indeed
[22:22] <czajkowski> hggdh: balloons I shall nab you both next week and we can sort out a RT to figure this out for the team if that's ok
[22:22] <hggdh> ack
[22:22] <balloons> that sounds great
[22:22] <czajkowski> kaziweb: I'll keep you posted, can you give me an email address so I can get back to you and I'll mail hggdh and balloons now so we hhave it all on our radar
[22:22] <hggdh> balloons: we better start thinking of a new name -- and, by the way, look at any other two-letter code we have
[22:22] <balloons> lol
[22:23] <balloons> we shall use big words
[22:23] <czajkowski> hggdh: just make sure no country codes please :)
[22:23] <balloons> no shortened codes :-)
[22:23] <czajkowski> or I'll be back ;)
[22:23] <hggdh> heh
[22:23] <kaziweb> czajkowski: please give me your email.
[22:23]  * hggdh will change nick to something even more obscure
[22:23] <czajkowski> kaziweb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:23] <balloons> alright -- I'm off..
[22:23] <czajkowski> balloons: toodle pip
[22:23] <hggdh> balloons: nice week, and until UDS
[22:24] <hggdh> (have a) prefixed
[22:25] <kaziweb> czajkowski<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:25] <kaziweb> czajkowski<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:29] <czajkowski> kaziweb: by the way I'm Laura, so not a Mr. :)
[22:36] <kaziweb> czajkowski: I'm kazi
[22:37] <kaziweb> czajkowski: I've received your mail and replied already for the Ubuntu Qatar Mailing list creation.
[22:39] <kaziweb> czajkowski: I'm really very grateful to you for your continuous and prompt support for us.
[22:40] <czajkowski> kaziweb: np
[22:41] <phillw> kaziweb: that area was already being wound down, it is great to see it taken up by a new LoCo team, we are very happy that a new area of ubuntu has arrived.
[22:41] <kaziweb> czajkowski: we have got this--> http://qatar.ubuntuforums.org instead of http://qa.ubuntuforums.org . Is this okay?
[22:43] <phillw> kaziweb: I think jono is the best person to ask about that.
[22:44] <czajkowski> kaziweb: this isnt the channel can we go back to -locoteams please
[22:44] <czajkowski> phillw: nope tis the LC :)
[22:44] <phillw> czajkowski: thanks :)#
[22:47] <kaziweb> ok
[22:47] <kaziweb> oops! thanks for reminding me.


[01:02] <krytarik> Bashing-om: I was hoping these were among the things fixed after publishing, but 1.) <https://jriddell.org/2019/03/26/nominations-open-for-uk-open-source-awards/> doesn't belong in the General section but further down in the Planet one, and 2.) <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/03/kdenlive-devs-held-a-sprint-made-this-awesome-vid> doesn't belong in the LoCo News section but also further down ...
[01:02] <krytarik> ... in the Blogs one.
[01:03] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well, I did ask of both if they should be moved :(
[01:04] <krytarik> "Eric Desrochers, on behalf of the DMB. announces the granting to Rik Mills (acheronuk) MOTU privileges." - and here there is an accidental period rather than a comma after "DMB" - and also, if you are referring to the board already, might as well spell it out too.
[01:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will edit :)
[01:08] <krytarik> "Ubuntu-Budgie, Ubuntu-Kylin, Ubuntu-MATE" - and this is a funny triple of unwarranted hyphens.
[01:10] <krytarik> Also, sorry if sometimes I might spot things only *after* publishing - as I generally assume you all have it under control by now.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Generally we do .. this has been a "something else" week.
[01:25] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, is the letter published everywhere?
[01:26] <guiverc> Wild_Man, yep. UWN572 is everywhere  (social media & fridge)
[01:26] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Affirmative ... we are published .. but there were amd are a number of errors that were not caught prior to release.
[01:26] <Wild_Man> guiverc, okay thanks
[01:27] <Wild_Man> I did not get to take a look last night, I got home very late and I have been sick, I spent the day in the doctors office when I got home I fell asleep and just woke up
[01:28] <guiverc> Ubuntu-* hyphens look like me, it's how I type em, and as such I'd be unlikely to notice them
[01:29] <Wild_Man> I see
[01:32] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Understand - your and your's health comes 1st. My sister-in-law is in the ICU -life support - can not breath and they do not know the cause.
[01:32] <Bashing-om> OK, now take a look at the WIKI - Is this now acceptable to all ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue572 .
[01:39] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, sending out prayers
[01:39] <guiverc> (me too)
[01:39] <Wild_Man> I am awake but I fell to bad to concentrate tonight
[01:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Thanks, gratefully accepted.
[01:54] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I think the 19.04 beta should say Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE (drop the hypen, not Ubuntu-) - Budgie is a Solus desktop, MATE likewise is not Ubuntu owned..    I can change if you want
[01:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: If you like - sure .. but as all are ubuntu why the specification as 'ubuntu' ?
[01:59] <guiverc> Budgie - it reads like we're trying to take ownership of a solus project (Ubuntu Budgie is Ubuntu's), ditto MATE, Studio alone doesn't make me think of Ubuntu Studio -- maybe why I add the hypen when I type it
[02:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good reasoning . If you this time will edit. appreciate it :)
[02:01] <guiverc> done
[02:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wow - fast !
[02:07] <guiverc> (1) the page was open to read & (2) it's not late evening for me
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[01:06] <uberbuntu>  Hello, I was in here some other night and talking about a browser redirecter that malwarebytes and spybot could mot pick up on scans.
[01:06] <uberbuntu> Someone mentioned some other utility that picked up things that those two didn't.
[01:07] <uberbuntu> But I forgot the name of the utility. Any sugestions or ideas?
[01:08] <uberbuntu> Anyone here?? (echo, echo, echo)
[01:08]  * holstein is here uberbuntu
[01:08] <uberbuntu> I am all alone, alone, alone
[01:08] <holstein> you have a moment for me to read your question?
[01:08] <Unit193> Sounds more fitting for ##windows , but SuperAntiSpyware isn't bad
[01:09] <holstein> yeah, i think thats what it was
[01:09] <uberbuntu> holstein: was it you with the suggestin Saturday?
[01:09] <uberbuntu> That may be it
[01:09] <holstein> nope
[01:10] <holstein> i dont have any suggestions for windows that you want to hear ;)
[01:10] <uberbuntu> Yeh I think htere was a word 'super' in the name
[01:11] <holstein> uberbuntu: do you remember exactly when it was?
[01:11] <holstein> this channel is logged
[01:11] <uberbuntu> We, hey hey, some other hard core linuxe  guy were telling me that there is a place for  windows after I was saying that it was only good for the circular bin.
[01:12] <uberbuntu> When It was ,Saturday between 8-10 pm
[01:12] <uberbuntu> holstein: You keep logs?
[01:12] <uberbuntu> Oh you said that
[01:12] <holstein> uberbuntu: this channel is logged officially
[01:12] <Unit193> What was your name?
[01:13] <uberbuntu> My name or nick was the same
[01:13] <Unit193> Nope, it was Ooberbuntu
[01:13] <uberbuntu> Anything with the name 'Super' in it make me nervous.
[01:14] <uberbuntu> If you have to say its 'Super' then  ,,,,,,
[01:14] <holstein> Oberubuntu
[01:15] <holstein> something like that was your nick
[01:15] <uberbuntu> Yeh extra o may have been what I used
[01:15] <holstein> uberbuntu: do me a favor.. when you re-join the channel.. state your question, then wait... wait at least 20 minutes before assuming the channel is dead
[01:15]  * holstein thanks you in advance :)
[01:16] <uberbuntu> Ok
[01:16] <holstein> 20:34 < Ooberbuntu> Interestig that Malwarebytes nor Spybot Serch and destroy would pick anything up.\
[01:16] <holstein> 20:34 < Ooberbuntu> So I am goin gto have to dig deeper.
[01:16] <holstein> 20:35 < iceflatline> Another I use is Superantispyware
[01:17]  * Unit193 had to wait 3 days for an answer once
[01:17] <holstein> yeah, i joined #ubuntustudio and just stayed around to answer ;)
[01:20] <uberbuntu> 3 days? Holly cow. You stayed logged into the chat the whole time?
[01:21] <Unit193> I've been logged for 8 days now (And that is very little)
[01:21] <uberbuntu> You should bottle yoru patience and sell it. A lot of people need it. Could make a fortune. You have way too much.
[01:21] <Unit193> VERY little
[01:21] <Unit193> I really don't have all that much
[01:22] <uberbuntu> Well I have kept my windows maching booted up for almost 8 monthes at a time but I don't have the patience to wait for an answer for three days. I'd give up.
[01:22] <holstein> im working on 70 days :)
[01:23] <holstein> this channel is active.. and #ubuntu is quite active
[01:23] <holstein> some of the smaller channels though, you have to wait 24hours
[01:24] <Unit193> I sadly have computer problems on the computer running this session. Sometimes you just have to wait for the one person that knows
[01:24] <uberbuntu> Just when i get my windows all customized the way I want it I start thinking about going all or mostly linux for most of my work.
[01:24] <uberbuntu> Makes me feel like I wasted all that time customizing.
[01:24] <holstein> i got my windows all customized the way i like it ;0
[01:25] <uberbuntu> "This session"? How many chat sessions you have open?
[01:25] <uberbuntu> Or on haw many machines?
[01:25] <holstein> channels?
[01:26] <holstein> i have this chat running on my server, and im connecting with another machine
[01:26] <holstein> lots of folk do it that way
[01:27] <holstein> i like to stay in some of the slower channels around the clock, and try to at least respond to everyone
[01:27] <uberbuntu> Unit193 was who mentioned, "This session"
[01:28] <uberbuntu> holstein: Do you even have a windows macine?
[01:28] <uberbuntu> I feel some real animosity between you and Bill
[01:28] <holstein> nah
[01:28] <uberbuntu> Did you get into a fist fight with him at one time?
[01:28] <holstein> its just not for me
[01:28] <holstein> everyone should do what works for them
[01:29] <uberbuntu> Yeh like you still can't fun your adobe cs4 on Linux .
[01:29] <holstein> i just get a little frustrated with the 'my windows machine is broken' folks.. when theres nothing wrong with the computer
[01:29] <holstein> its just spyware or whatever
[01:29] <uberbuntu> and some other things so it makes it almost necessary for some of us to keep one around
[01:29] <holstein> and they get another machine... and they dont say 'maybe i should try something else'
[01:29] <holstein> even a mac...
[01:30] <holstein> i mean, theres nothing wrong with windows if you maintain it... but if you dont/cant, get something else
[01:30] <holstein> i can do task that are done with adobe cs4 on linux though
[01:31] <holstein> anyways.. im really not hating on windows
[01:31] <uberbuntu> Well there are plenty of people that cant maintain anything, a car, whatever it is
[01:31] <Unit193> uberbuntu: Screen session, I have around ~30 channels
[01:31] <uberbuntu> They are just too lazy to learn and read anything and when they surf the web they only look at the picture and icons
[01:32] <uberbuntu> Those are the ones that screw up their new machines in days.
[01:32] <holstein> sure, and we could argue, is that their fault? should windows be secure out-of-the-box ?
[01:32] <holstein> but... we dont have to
[01:35] <uberbuntu> I had  afriend get his teenage kids a new wind desktop the last xmas. I asked why he didn't use it for his business and give them his 3 year old machine.
[01:35] <uberbuntu> He said, too much work switching his files. I don't think he knew how.
[01:35] <holstein> yeah, but he'll firgure it out...
[01:36] <uberbuntu> So I put some security on the thing and parental controlls so they couldn't jsut download anything willy nilly.
[01:37] <uberbuntu> The next time I came over his 10 year old son, who really know nothing about pc except how to play game, was in the command promp enter all kinds of network command that he found searching online.
[01:37] <uberbuntu> Just trying to find a way to download Google Earth
[01:37] <holstein> hehe
[01:38] <holstein> dinnertime... BBL
[01:38] <uberbuntu> Well he screwed up the user loggins somehow and we stil ldon't know what he did.
[01:43] <uberbuntu> Enjoy dinner
[01:44] <uberbuntu> You must be on the west coast
[01:59] <uberbuntu> Still listening to 'Living' only have gotten to the song 'Ride' For some reason my conection stops loading the songe every minutes or so.
[02:00] <uberbuntu> Its good stuff. I just got some new jazz t olisten to from the library last Friday.
[02:00] <holstein> uberbuntu: hehe thanks for checking it out
[02:00]  * holstein is on the east coast just eating late
[02:01] <Unit193> Awesome, same tz just your clock seems a tad fast ;)
[02:01] <uberbuntu> Yo ugot family and crumsnachers?
[02:02] <holstein> not me
[02:04] <uberbuntu> I'v though of setting up a website with a database where musicians and band could post availability, how far they would travel adn such and cities, or other establishments could book them through the portal.
[02:05] <holstein> cool.. there was something like that for a bit... gigamerica?
[02:07] <holstein> Unit193: i just noticed your time query :)
[02:07] <holstein> im not sure whats up with my server
[02:07] <holstein> it was *way* off the other day
[02:08] <Unit193> Heh
[02:09] <uberbuntu> holstein: Just curious.  Just put the spaces i ntheir apropriet places.
[02:11] <holstein> i found linux about 5-6 years ago? something like that
[02:11] <holstein> it just worked for me
[02:11] <uberbuntu> You never owned a windows machine?
[02:11] <holstein> sure, this is a windows machine.. its got win7 on it somewhere
[02:12] <holstein> i dont think im going to keep it next time i do some maintenance though
[02:12] <uberbuntu> Oh, LOl you jsut never booted to it.
[02:12] <holstein> i thought i would use it to help my folks or whatever
[02:12] <holstein> but, i used XP a lot
[02:12] <holstein> its just been a while
[02:12] <uberbuntu> holstein: Don'e be afraid, Windows won't byte .....too much.
[02:12] <holstein> took me a long time to transition my recording studio over to linux
[02:13] <holstein> when i got that worked out, i just didnt need to go back
[02:13] <holstein> im not a big gamer, and i dont have an special needs like office or adobe
[02:13] <holstein> any*
[02:14] <uberbuntu> I just spent too much time learning Adobe Dreamweaver ,even when it was still Macromedia. SO I will probably keep using it.
[02:14] <urlin2u> holstein, did you do you do Living with that studio?
[02:15] <holstein> yup :)
[02:15] <holstein> all with FOSS, start to finish
[02:15] <urlin2u> holstein, cool
[02:15] <uberbuntu> But I have been messing with Linux a little more than a year.
[02:16] <uberbuntu> I am still trying to get my head rapped around the difference in the look and feel of things.
[02:16] <uberbuntu> THough I would get aclimated slowly. Really slowly.
[02:17] <uberbuntu> Linux apps are more of a plain wrapper and I find that, at least while learning it and learning new apps ,you have to read more and not rely on visuals as much.
[02:18] <uberbuntu> Why can't this chat relay have a left border or padding?
[02:18] <uberbuntu> Who designed this?
[02:18] <uberbuntu> Retoricle
[02:25] <holstein> i like the fact that in linux, it can look literally however you want it to
[02:25] <holstein> that is to say, you can even make your own UI if you want, and you dont have to hack anything to do it
[02:25] <holstein> you are encouraged to do it :)
[02:26] <Unit193> Tell that to GDM?
[02:26] <holstein> Unit193: lol
[02:27] <uberbuntu> Whos GDM, the Developres?
[02:27] <uberbuntu> I'd have to look that acronym up
[02:27] <holstein> gnome
[02:27] <Unit193> !info gdm
[02:27] <Unit193> ubot2`: info gdm
[02:27] <ubot2`> Unit193: gdm (source: gdm): GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.5-0ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 723 kB, installed size 2304 kB
[02:28] <Unit193> Stupid ubot2`....
[02:28] <uberbuntu> Yo have to work arond the GDM to get it done in other workd?
[02:29] <uberbuntu> .......other words
[02:29] <uberbuntu> holstein: I finaly got to 'Dancer'
[02:29] <uberbuntu> Only took 40 minutes
[02:29] <holstein> :)
[02:30] <uberbuntu> opps it stalled right in the middle.
[02:30] <holstein> you can start there next time :)
[02:30] <uberbuntu> I want my Road Runner Turbo back
[02:31] <uberbuntu> never had a problem donig anything.
[02:32] <uberbuntu> says I have 12Mbps  but .....probably the redirector messing things up for me rihgt now.
[02:37] <uberbuntu> I need another hard drive. Got 3 TB and running out fast.
[02:45] <uberbuntu> Any ideas why someone would opt for having an untouched Windows MBR on a Master HDD and Grob installed i nthe MBR on a Slave HDD and ahving to switch 1st bootable in the BIOS whenever you want to boot Windows?
[02:46] <holstein> uberbuntu: somethings can break grub
[02:46] <holstein> i forget what...
[02:46] <holstein> something really common like an office update
[02:47] <uberbuntu> I don't think Windowa can break it.
[02:47] <holstein> right, not widows
[02:47] <uberbuntu> I guess if you have it bootloading everything and it breaks then you have issues to work out  huh
[02:47] <holstein> but an update from something in windows
[02:47] <holstein> i forget what though
[02:47] <uberbuntu> can't boot anything and that would make somethings bootable donig it that way
[02:48] <holstein> there were some applications storing data in there
[02:48] <uberbuntu> Apps storing datat i nthe MBR?
[02:49] <holstein> uberbuntu: right
[02:49] <uberbuntu> Not much room to store anythiing in there.
[02:49] <holstein> so, you update a windows application, and boom.. it writes in the MBR, and breakage occurs
[02:49] <holstein> thats probably not why though
[02:49] <holstein> probably just want to keep it seperate
[02:49] <uberbuntu> Well that makes me nervous settin gup a multi boot.
[02:49] <holstein> yeah?
[02:50] <uberbuntu> DOn't want my main system to go down.
[02:50] <holstein> just back up your date, and know how to reinstall grub
[02:50] <holstein> its a computer... dont be nervous ;)
[02:50] <holstein> it *will* break
[02:50] <holstein> guaranteed :)
[02:50] <holstein> all you can do is just plan for i, and relax
[02:50] <holstein> it*
[02:51] <uberbuntu> You mean back up your data or did you mean 'date'
[02:51] <holstein> hehe.. yeah, *data*
[02:51] <holstein> !grub
[02:51] <ubot2`> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[02:52] <holstein> you can read there about ways to recover grub with a live CD
[02:52] <holstein> you can also install virtual box or VMware, and play around... save the state, break it... fix it
[02:52] <uberbuntu> Oh good, I have about 20 linux distros on live cd's
[02:53] <holstein> time consuming, but you'll learn without breaking you're current setup
[02:53] <uberbuntu> Have other machines to look up info. What am I nervous about? The time to fix things that I want to spend on somethingelse I guess.
[02:54] <uberbuntu> I always want everything perfect. Shoulda learned by now that nothing ever is.
[02:55] <holstein> eh.. perfect is a matter of opinion
[02:55] <uberbuntu> I need to have reckless abandone like my friends 10 yr. old typing anything he could find in to the command promt of a new system.
[02:56] <uberbuntu> LOL
[02:56] <holstein> as long as you have a test case, or another box, go for it :)
[02:56] <uberbuntu> Not knowing what it was that he was typing or what it would do.
[02:57] <uberbuntu> I need to build my new bos that I bought last Feburary with all the parts still sitting in a box all in retail wrappers.
[02:58] <uberbuntu> By the time I get around to building it it will be obsolete.
[02:58] <holstein> hehe, i was going to say... put it together while its still worth something
[02:59] <uberbuntu> I know I had it sitting around for the first 4 weeks deciding wether i needed it and if I was gonig to return it and MicroCenter dropped the price on the MB another $10
[03:03] <uberbuntu> I jsut wanted to use the HDD I got for it to set up a multi boot.
[03:05] <holstein> you dont *need* multiple drives for multiboot
[03:06] <uberbuntu> No, But my two drives are full and I need more space
[03:07] <uberbuntu> Course I need to switch this hrdware to the new box and the new hrdware goes in here nad I wanted a raid  config i nthe new one and hm. to omuch work.
[03:07] <uberbuntu> I have to time.
[03:08] <uberbuntu> Maybe if I take the HD out of my dad's old machine, no its only 60GB
[03:08] <holstein> 60gb's is plenty :)
[03:09] <uberbuntu> I could get maybe 3 ditros on there right? Whats recomended for a linux ditro? 20GB" 4-5GB swap?
[03:09] <holstein> swap depends
[03:09] <holstein> you dont *need* swap
[03:09] <holstein> anyways, it all depends
[03:10] <uberbuntu> Why no swap?
[03:10] <holstein> if you need/want the space
[03:11] <uberbuntu> I think I did read where somwone somehow confied  his Window's Virtual Memory to use the smae partition as the swap but had to be FAT32
[03:11] <uberbuntu> Maybe I'm dreaming
[03:12] <holstein> maybe, i dont think you get a different partition typically in windows, i think its just a part of the filesystem
[03:12] <holstein> im sure you can have linux use whatever though... anyways, you dont have to have swap at all if you want the space
[03:12] <holstein> and you can definitely have the linux's share swap
[03:14] <uberbuntu> How does it work without swap? Less overhead for opening up multiple apps and 50 browser tabs wich I am notorious for doing?
[03:14] <holstein> it just works
[03:14] <holstein> nothing gets swapped
[03:15] <holstein> i mean, if you have like 4gb's of memory anyways
[03:15] <holstein> i did it when i was running on SSD's and SD cards
[03:16] <uberbuntu> It must st up some space for a swap file inside the root dir if you don't specify a partition on install
[03:16] <holstein> it just doesnt use swap
[03:16] <holstein> you have no swap
[03:16] <urlin2u> I use a sdhc card at times for swap if I. actually using maxing the ram I have the swappness set to 10 though, thta workd better haveing it off the disc.
[03:16] <holstein> i didnt want swap, writing like that to SD or SSD can wear the drive out
[03:17] <uberbuntu> What do you do that yo uneed SSD'd? You don't game. Just to make your server faster?
[03:17] <holstein> it came in the EEE
[03:17] <holstein> and i was running installs off of SD cards on there too
[03:18] <uberbuntu> iEEE?
[03:18] <holstein> eeepc... asus netbook eee900
[03:19] <uberbuntu> does Asus put them i na lot of their netbooks or just the expensiveones?
[03:19] <holstein> hehe... not sure.. this was not an expensive one though
[03:20] <holstein> it was the slower SSD
[03:21] <uberbuntu> Whats slow for Solid State? 300Gbps or 600?
[03:21] <uberbuntu> 800?
[03:21] <uberbuntu> Probably 1200Gbps
[03:21] <uberbuntu> Thats what we call a slow SSD LOL
[03:21] <holstein> i forget the specs on this one, but it was nothing like that
[03:23] <uberbuntu> Well if o uset up SWAP maybe it doesn't even use it if it doesn't need it? Only when It needs it/
[03:23] <holstein> yeah, i never hit it anyways
[03:23] <holstein> not on the daily use box
[03:24] <uberbuntu> Thinking I should set it up in case.
[03:24] <holstein> what?
[03:24] <holstein> swap?
[03:24] <holstein> in case what?
[03:24] <uberbuntu> holstein: how much RAM you have on the daily use?
[03:24] <holstein> this EEEpc came with a gb, but i have 2gb's in it now
[03:24] <uberbuntu> I have 2GB o nthis one and the new one, when I build it will start wit h 4GB
[03:25] <uberbuntu> In case I run outa RAM
[03:25] <holstein> im not saying *dont* install swap, im just saying, if you want to reclaim that space, you'll probably never notice its not there
[03:25] <holstein> sharing swap would be the way to go
[03:26] <uberbuntu> I am sure if you run low on RAM Linux won't freeze like Winblows but may slow down, I don't know. I'v only ran linux thus far from live cd's
[03:27] <bodhizazen> Anyone in here interested in an irc tutorial on iptables ?
[03:27] <uberbuntu> I would definately share. Thinking that subsequent linux install may auto see the SWAP file and link to it anyway.
[03:27] <holstein> #fedora-classroom bodhizazen ?
[03:27] <bodhizazen> =)
[03:28]  * holstein is interested
[03:28] <holstein> i thought i had missed it
[03:28] <bodhizazen> 	Hey everyone, there is going to be an IPtables class in #fedora-classroom on 2011-09-15 at 2100UTC -- see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom for more info and classes.
[03:28] <holstein> uberbuntu: you'll tell it
[03:28] <bodhizazen> There is a link on that page to an odt document I prepped, the document should help even if you miss the class
[03:29] <bodhizazen> Driect link : http://bodhizazen.net/IPTables.odt
[03:30] <uberbuntu> the class is probably good ifyo have a server. I would forget the info by the time I set one up, who knows when
[03:30] <uberbuntu> I can't even find time to build a new box.
[03:30] <holstein> grab a screwdriver and do it right now :)
[03:30] <holstein> anways... i gotta run.. GN all
[03:31] <uberbuntu> reminds me I need some thermal glue in case I decide to overclock one day
[03:31] <uberbuntu> chow
[03:33] <bodhizazen> uberbuntu, if you want ufer fast, go gentoo
[03:33] <bodhizazen> It took me a month to install and configure gentoo on my netbook , but it is faster then a binary install =)
[03:36] <uberbuntu> Yeh, I read where Gentoo is not a binary based OS. Right?
[03:36] <uberbuntu> Whats better about it and what is it based on?
[03:36] <musegarden> Yeah, you build everything from source.
[03:36] <bodhizazen> Including a headache =)
[03:37] <uberbuntu> Since I don't write code yet tell me. Does this mean that in a binary based you are writing 1's and 0's all day bit by bit?
[03:37] <musegarden> No, not at all.  A binary is a term for a precompiled package you download and install.
[03:38] <bodhizazen> No, in a binary base you install pre-compiled binaries packaged into .deb or .rpm or whatever the package manager uses
[03:38] <uberbuntu> Oh, now , hmmm. Even i nbinary based you can get source code right?
[03:38] <musegarden> Yes
[03:38] <bodhizazen> In a source based OS you download the source code (usually C ) and then compile it locally
[03:38] <uberbuntu> And build from it can't you?
[03:39] <bodhizazen> yes, but the source code you get from your package manager is highly patched
[03:39] <musegarden> Sure, you can build stuff from source if there isn't a binary available, or if you need some special options.
[03:39] <bodhizazen> in gentoo or LFS less so
[03:39] <musegarden> I explained Gentoo to a friend thus: think about your clothes. You can go buy clothes at a department store and be set, but if you made your own clothes, they would fit you perfectly, be exactly what you wanted, and you'd have the satisfaction of saying you made your own clothes. Of course, its a lot harder to make your own clothes, and you're bound to mess up more than a few times. That's how gentoo is.
[03:40] <bodhizazen> Gentoo is like growing your own cotton and sheep from which to build the cloths you want
[03:41] <uberbuntu> So if I got this right, even in binary 'package' based you can write from source only the whole OS is more patched?
[03:42] <uberbuntu> And in essense mor emessy?
[03:42] <uberbuntu> more messy
[03:42] <uberbuntu> Not exactly what you want and yo uhave so write sloppy sode to match mssy patches?
[03:43] <bodhizazen> I think this is a nice page
[03:43] <bodhizazen> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_management_system
[03:43] <bodhizazen> See in particular this pat : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_management_system#Why_mixing_source_installs_and_packages_is_a_bad_idea
[03:47] <uberbuntu> That explains a lot
[03:48] <uberbuntu> Does linus ditros use C# or is that more an MS thing?
[03:48] <bodhizazen> They use C , just a different C compiler
[03:48] <bodhizazen> gcc
[03:49] <uberbuntu> C+?
[03:49] <uberbuntu> Not C# though
[03:49] <musegarden> C# is a .NET language which is Microsoft, but you can use C# with something called Mono.
[03:49] <bodhizazen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers
[03:50] <uberbuntu> Linux should do what MS did and dump all old code and start something new like Cb
[03:50] <uberbuntu> or C flat
[03:50] <uberbuntu> maybe C-
[03:50] <bodhizazen> I do not see mono on that list ^^
[03:51] <musegarden> http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page It's an open source implementation of C#
[06:04] <philipballew> hey. flash player is giving me no sound in youtube videos? has anyone else seen this error?
[06:35] <philipballew> so I can play a flash video but i just cant play a flash video in youtube with any sound...
[06:35] <philipballew> darn you flash
[08:40] <maryann_> hi everyone i have just join the ubuntu community and am glad for the good work that the community is doing.
[08:40] <nlsthzn> maryann_: glad to hear and welcome...
[08:41] <coalwater> welcome maryann_ :P
[08:42] <maryann_> thank you for the warm welcome
[08:43] <urlin2u> maryann_, hello and ignore the evil organ music in the background. :D
[08:48] <maryann_> Currently am working on a community tech project and we are evaluating between using twiki or moimoin for our service,  what advice would you give in making the desicion.
[08:54] <Nartales> Hello can somebody please help I like to register my PGP key with launchpad but I cant upload it :(
[08:54] <Nartales> sry my english isnt that good
[08:55] <Nartales> but I try to give my best
[09:02] <nlsthzn> Nartales: you have been following the info provided on launchpad?
[09:02] <Nartales> yes
[09:02] <Nartales> but I cant sent it to the server
[09:03] <Nartales> because there is no option for that in the key and encryption
[09:04] <Nartales> I do have my Key and I can sign it and everything
[09:04] <Nartales> but I cant sync it
[09:04] <Nartales> there is no option for that
[09:04] <Nartales> only export into a filde
[09:04] <Nartales> file
[09:04] <nlsthzn> Nartales: http://pastebin.com/27t0YXtu ... so you get to the end of this and no luck?
[09:05] <Nartales> I cant get to the end
[09:06] <Nartales> because there is no remote > Sync and Publish Keys option
[09:06] <Nartales> or maybe I cant see it or find it
[09:06] <Nartales> but I do see my key
[09:07] <nlsthzn> Nartales: Odd... You are using Ubuntu correct... and you where following the way to make your key as described on the site?
[09:08] <Nartales> I did make the key through the terminal because it didnt work through the Password and Encryption Menu
[09:08] <Nartales> But now I can see the Key there
[09:08] <Nartales> Its rly odd :)
[09:09] <coalwater> hi Nartales
[09:09] <Nartales> hi coalwater
[09:09] <coalwater> what version are u using
[09:09] <nlsthzn> Nartales: sorry, I have no idea... I always have to follow the steps on launchpad to the letter or it doesn't work for me... coalwater will sort you out I am sure :)
[09:10] <coalwater> which ubuntu version
[09:10] <Nartales> 64bit the newest one sorry dont know the number
[09:10] <coalwater> ok then 11.04
[09:10] <Nartales> I guess so I downloaded it yesterday
[09:10] <coalwater> u use seahorse right, the keys and stuff interface
[09:11] <coalwater> ?
[09:11] <Nartales> I use the one that comes with ubuntu
[09:12] <coalwater> remote > sync ?
[09:12] <Nartales> is now option for that or I dont see one
[09:12] <coalwater> on the top
[09:12] <coalwater> if u use unity then it's the top panel
[09:12] <coalwater> hover up
[09:13] <coalwater> to see them
[09:13] <coalwater> or hold alt if you cant find them
[09:14] <Nartales> ahhh yes
[09:14] <Nartales> I found it :)
[09:14] <Nartales> I have to get used to all of that first sorry :)
[09:14] <Nartales> thx alot
[09:15] <coalwater> np
[09:16] <Nartales> alot  to learn but I rly like it :)
[09:21] <nlsthzn> oh wow... never thought about the menu being hidden >.<
[09:26] <coalwater> nlsthzn: u use gnome-classic?
[09:27] <nlsthzn> coalwater: no... but seeing as I use Unity I have become aware that the menu isn't always shown... seeing as this is the default ... so I don't even think about it
[09:29] <Nartales> is it possible to always show the menu?
[09:37] <urlin2u>  Nartales yes in the unity plugin in the compiz configuration manager is a always show.
[09:41] <nlsthzn> With GNU/Linux there is always a way :p
[09:44] <Nartales> hehe it looks like :) Iam now fighting to get the new thunderbird running :)
[10:00] <coalwater> what was the bzr login syntax?
[10:00] <coalwater> cause i forgot how to do launchpad login, i tried bzr lp-login and lp-login alone, neither works
[10:01] <coalwater> ok, finally figured it out
[10:13] <ApOgEE> hi all
[10:27] <coalwater> hi ApOgEE
[10:29] <head_victim_defy> Well done apogee
[10:34] <ApOgEE> thanks head_victim_defy
[10:34] <ApOgEE> hi coalwater
[10:34] <ApOgEE> i'm now official
[10:34] <ApOgEE> ;)
[10:38] <head_victim_defy> Well done
[11:18] <Nartales> So I do have a new problem :)
[11:18] <Nartales> I tried do sign the code of conduct but I do get the error that there is no signature
[11:19] <Nartales> when I do try open the asc. file
[11:19] <Nartales> .asc
[11:30] <Nartales> niemand eine Idee :)
[11:35] <coalwater> hey Nartales
[11:36] <coalwater> did u figure it out yet
[11:38] <Nartales> no : (
[11:39] <Nartales> I did try it with gpa agent but it didnt work
[13:50] <NoobyMcNoobins> Hi guys!
[13:50] <NoobyMcNoobins> I got a nooby question :p
[13:51] <NoobyMcNoobins> I'm trying to put a script into usr/sbin/ but  I don't have permission
[13:53] <NoobyMcNoobins> I've looked for how to get root access, but they all seem to recommend sudo
[13:54] <NoobyMcNoobins> But I don't know how that would work from gedit save as? :|
[13:57] <axatrikx> open gedit as 'gksudo gedit filename'
[13:58] <coalwater> NoobyMcNoobins: did u figure it out
[14:05] <NoobyMcNoobins> Yeap I did thanks guys :D
[14:34] <geirha> Should've adviced him to put it in /usr/local/sbin instead
[15:38] <kosaidpo> hello
[15:39] <kosaidpo> i wanna reduce my console screens those console when u hit  ctrl+alt + F1
[15:39] <kosaidpo> how can i do that
[15:46] <geirha> kosaidpo: What do you mean by reduce?
[15:47] <kosaidpo> geirha: well u can have 7 console by hitin ctrl_alt +F1 till F7 ight so me iwanna have only one
[15:47] <coalwater> i dont think you can mess with that, that's something about the OS it self
[15:48] <kosaidpo> coalwater: no iread that u can do it
[15:49] <coalwater> ok, well i don't know how, it didn't bother me enough to make me look
[15:49] <coalwater> does it say how, where it says that you can
[15:49] <geirha> I know how to do it with inittab, but not sure with the new system Ubuntu uses...
[15:50] <coalwater> unity?
[15:50] <geirha> upstart
[15:50] <coalwater> o ok
[15:51] <kosaidpo> guys i found out i got the help
[15:52] <geirha> I think you just rename /etc/init/tty[2-6].conf
[15:52] <kosaidpo> its in  /etc/default/console-setup  must change active console
[15:53] <geirha> Ah, sounds like the proper way.
[15:53] <geirha> You probably need to run a update-something script after editing it though
[15:54] <kosaidpo> geirha: yeh but idk
[15:54] <kosaidpo> LOL
[15:54] <geirha> sed -n "/DATE:$(date +%Y%m%d)/,/^SUMMARY:/{/^SUMMARY:/{s///;s/[[:blank:]].*//;p;q; }; }"
[16:04] <philipballew> hey. my flash pluggin is making not giving me any sound.
[16:08] <philipballew> nevermind, it was muted..........
[16:09]  * philipballew makes a goober boober move
[16:33] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: ping, do you have time for a PM ?
[16:33] <geirha> Oh that's where that sed went. Sorry about that. I thought I was in another channel.
[16:35] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: sure
[17:32] <tvaldes> I need help with fstab (I believe). There are 3 drives that I swap in and out of a swap drive bay. I would set it up to auto mount sda1 or sdb1... but it's not always the same for some reason (I believe due to a new raid controller). So I have 3 seperate lines mounting the UUID's to the same point. The problem is if the first one isn't present, it gives an error on boot and never mounts. If I sudo mount -a, it works but sho
[19:10] <sluckxz> is there a kernel.org mirror?
[19:14] <urlin2u> sluckxz, I saw a web announcement that linux.org was compromised, the repairs are going on I doubt if there were any mirrors that they would be up ethier.
[19:25] <urlin2u> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Kernelorg-hacked/
[20:02] <Bipul>  i cant see my pendrive in my desktop as a icon in ubuntu10.10
[21:21] <simius> Howdy Ubuntu Beginners
[21:26] <simius> How would I create a symbolic link so that the files in one directory appear to show up in another directory?


[18:35] <Valduare> hi guys I have an mk802iiis running ubuntu, as I understand it the resolutiosn are hardcoded in the kernel
[18:35] <Valduare> i seem to be set at 1080 p resolution and i’d like to switch it to 720 p wich is also supported. I just dont know how..
[18:35] <Valduare> any ideas?