[04:50] <vbotka> hehehe, FWIW, https://serverfault.com/questions/702945/rsyslog-local-and-remote-logging
[05:29] <cpaelzer> good monring
[05:30] <cpaelzer> morning even
[09:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:51] <soahccc> Hey, could someone with iptable knowledge help me out here and tell me what I am supposed to enter in the last line? I can't quite tell what to put in for the placeholders and I don't want to mess this up. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/211110
[12:57] <lordievader> soahccc_:  The {{ROUTE_SOURCE}} should be replaced with the NATted network, the interface is the outgoing interface,  and the route target the outside/public ip.
[13:02] <soahccc> lordievader: Thank you :) I was on the wrong track then. But this seems to work. I now have to figure out how to run a process without root :/
[13:03] <lordievader> soahccc_: What do you mean? Running it as a user doesn't do the trick?
[13:03] <soahccc> Well I can't run it as non-root "setting the network namespace "eth0_a_ns" failed: Operation not permitted"
[13:04] <lordievader> It makes sense to make network config root only. You don't want some random user be able to change the entire network config.
[13:04] <soahccc> But I tested it with root and I think this solution doesn't even fix my actual problem. The thing is that I try to get a program running and it works on a different server but on mine it has network problems. I assumed it can't handle multiple IPs on eth0 but I guess I was wrong all along
[13:05] <soahccc> lordievader: yeah makes sense but I just want to use it there no?
[13:05] <lordievader> What it the error of the program?
[13:06] <soahccc> lordievader: it's mono so I guess you will just puke here :D https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/e8d8f5629cad20c0cc43b989933088d3
[13:06] <soahccc> I have two ubuntu 16.04 and it works on the one with one IP so I just have to assume thats it right?
[13:08] <lordievader> `Error -14 EFAULT bad address in system call argument` doesn't sound like the multiple IPs is the problem.
[13:08] <lordievader> I have no idea what it (probably the kernel) thinks is a bad address though...
[13:09] <soahccc> The program unfortunately doesn't have an bind option (just port). I compiled mono the same way on both systems and they both run on the same kernel (4.4.0-83)
[13:10] <soahccc> So my guess is, it tries to magically detect the IP and it fails when I have secondary addresses. I mean I _could_ try to remove the secondaries for a test but that would kill all my services :D
[13:22] <soahccc> lordievader: okay I tried to ifdown all eth0:* secondaries and it indeed doesn't change a thing. Do you have any other idea? I compared "ip addr show" on both servers and they were the same essentially. The only thing is that I upgraded this one (where it doesn't work) from 12.04 and it's an older installation whereas the other server was recently installed with 16.04. I have no idea what could have broken there
[13:23] <lordievader> Same size of subnet too?
[13:24] <soahccc> Oh actually its /26 vs /27
[13:24] <lordievader> Not that that should matter...
[13:54] <Steve[cloud]> good morning folks
[13:54] <Steve[cloud]> I'm having an issue with a networking bridge, and I'm not seeing much info on the net about it
[13:55] <Steve[cloud]> basically I'm attempting to run a bridge almost like a "hub"
[13:55] <Steve[cloud]> all the traffic from the incoming span port is replicated to all of the veths attached to it
[13:57] <Steve[cloud]> unfortunately, even after setting the ageing on the bridge to 0 (which should turn off mac learning) im still only getting broadcast traffic ont he veth
[13:58] <Steve[cloud]> I know im getting everything on the interface, as running tcpdump on the bridge or the int directly works as expected, but not when sniffing fromt he veth
[13:59] <lordievader> Not sure if the bridge module can be forced to work as a hub...
[13:59] <Steve[cloud]> lordievader: I did get it to initially work
[13:59] <Steve[cloud]> then it just...stopped
[13:59] <Steve[cloud]> no config changes
[14:00] <Steve[cloud]> lordievader: I had followed this: http://ask.xmodulo.com/disable-mac-learning-linux-bridge.html
[14:01] <lordievader> [1] seems to go a bit more in depth. [1] http://www.programering.com/a/MDN4QzNwATk.html
[14:08] <Steve[cloud]> lordievader: yeah the 4 steps mentioned in the beginning is what im trying to accomplish
[14:08] <Steve[cloud]> directionality issues arent a concern as the phys is connected to a mirror on the cisco switch
[14:11] <lordievader> Did you do the xt_TEE steps too>
[14:11] <lordievader> ?
[14:19] <Steve[cloud]> oh man....thats hard to read
[14:32] <zioproto> coreycb: I got the notification to test the stable package for python-cinderclient https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1559072
[14:33] <zioproto> coreycb: but this Xenial package is for Mitaka if I understand correctly
[14:33] <zioproto> Mitaka I cant really test, because I have eveything in newton
[14:33] <zioproto> Is a Newton package for the Ubuntu Cloud archive for Xenial also going to be released ?
[14:39] <coreycb> zioproto: yes there's a newton package, and thanks for the reminder needs to be promoted to -proposed.
[14:40] <coreycb> jamespage: beisner_ : when you have a sec, can you promote python-cinderclient 1:1.9.0-0ubuntu1~cloud2 to newton-proposed?
[15:05] <jamespage> coreycb: on my list
[15:06] <coreycb> jamespage: thx
[15:17] <jamespage> coreycb: done
[15:18] <coreycb> jamespage: thanks.  zioproto: python-cinderclient that should be available shortly in newton-proposed.
[15:20] <eatingthenight> Quick question, ubuntu 14.04 rsyslog package writes as the user syslog:adm but the logrotate file included with the rsyslog package doesn't set the user properly so after a rotate rsyslog can't write
[15:20] <eatingthenight> I know I can add the create entry... but this seems like a bug in the package or am I missing something?
[15:21] <eatingthenight> i purged and reinstalled the package as well to make sure it wasn't some local change I made in the past that messed up the rsyslog confs
[15:47] <vimart> Hi
[16:39] <zul> coreycb: btw I added a fix to mistral on Friday thought you should be aware of it
[16:39] <zul> jamespage: ^^^
[16:41] <coreycb> zul: ack thanks
[17:48] <ahasenack> does anybody know what this error means or what causes it:
[17:48] <ahasenack> Dpkg: WARNING: Can not find the file name list file for the package update-manager, assuming that the package does not currently have any files installed in the system.
[17:48] <ahasenack> the actual package doesn't matter, this is being said about basically all of them
[17:48] <ahasenack> not my system, it's in a bug report
[18:05] <sarnold> ahasenack: sounds like someone went crazy with rm around /var/lib/dpkg/info/ to try to save space, or their filesystems aren't mounted properly, or btrfs ate their lunch or something
[18:05] <ahasenack> are these the *.list files in there?
[18:06] <sarnold> yeah
[20:17] <DammitJim> so, I have edited my ubuntu servers to NOT automatically do security updates
[20:18] <DammitJim> one of the reasons I did that was because the /boot partition was getting full (sometimes we don't patch a server for  6 months)
[20:18] <DammitJim> should I have a larger /boot partition?
[20:18] <DammitJim> or is it OK to just disable security updates?
[20:18] <tomreyn> DammitJim: you should just reboot occasionally, and, of course, patch
[20:19] <tomreyn> once every 6 months is not enough
[20:19] <tomreyn> daily is sometimes not enough
[20:19] <DammitJim> oh gosh
[20:20] <sarnold> DammitJim: how large is that /boot ? I thought newer systems took care of it well for you
[20:20] <tomreyn> but whether or not you patch and reboot, /boot should not normally store more than 3 kernel images
[20:20] <DammitJim> 236M
[20:20] <genii> DammitJim: Might want to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Configure_Unattended_Upgrades_to_Remove_Unneeded_Kernels_Automatically
[20:20] <tomreyn> doh thats tiny
[20:20] <sarnold> that's kind of tiny but it ought to be able to handle three, right?
[20:21] <DammitJim> oh, it can handle 3
[20:21] <DammitJim> problem is when we don't patch often
[20:21] <DammitJim> and it's just not possible to test everything for the amount of servers we would need to patch every month for example
[20:21] <DammitJim> I don't have those resources
[20:22] <tomreyn> just install patrches automatically and reboot on kernel updates
[20:22] <sarnold> DammitJim: btw https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3353-2/
[20:23] <DammitJim> thanks sarnold I'm patching as we speak
[20:23] <DammitJim> and have resources allocated to test
[20:23] <DammitJim> tomreyn, things don't work like that in my company
[20:24] <DammitJim> it takes a LOT of work to get patching done... all apps have to be tested because of bad expriences they've had in the past
[20:24] <tomreyn> that's a pity. security patches don't normally break stuff.
[20:24] <sarnold> while we go to great lengths to test our fixes before releasing them, our tests can't cover everything
[20:24] <DammitJim> that's what said, but can't change that rule at the moment
[20:24] <sarnold> regressions are a fact of life :(
[20:24] <DammitJim> sarnold, agree
[20:26] <DammitJim> I wish I could let the systems just do their thing and walk away...
[20:26] <sarnold> normally the places that want to test updates before installing them have infrastructures in place to do so cheaply
[20:26] <DammitJim> oh, we have virtual labs
[20:27] <DammitJim> and every time a server is tested, the test team has to spend time there
[20:27] <sarnold> with tests that the ycan run on the software important to them, so it might take ten minutes to deploy a new system, then install updates, then run for a few horus or day to make sure the applications still work, then they can roll out across the larger infrastructure
[23:04] <hehehe> sarnold: do u use nginx?
[23:04] <hehehe> I cant compile darn thing with modsecurity - it does not like some flag in compilation
[23:04] <sarnold> hehehe: I do
[23:06] <hehehe> sarnold I am getting erro
[23:06] <hehehe> going to pastebin it
[23:07] <hehehe> https://pastebin.com/H5895e1E
[23:09] <sarnold> hehehe: see if this is the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/nginx/+bug/1657596
[23:10] <hehehe> yes I read it
[23:11] <hehehe> its fixed in ppa but I compile from scratch
[23:11] <hehehe> so I need to find tomas fix?
[23:18] <hehehe> is there easy way to list default cflags?
[23:25] <hehehe> sarnold: it may well be the issue
[23:25] <hehehe> but how do I tell compiler where those flags are?
[23:27] <sarnold> hehehe: you call make with whatever flags you need
[23:27] <hehehe> yes
[23:28] <hehehe> I just wonder whats up
[23:28] <hehehe> sarnold: are you using nginx stable?
[23:28] <hehehe> and if yes how did you compiled it with modsec?
[23:29] <hehehe> the configure options
[23:29] <hehehe> I did compile it with just modsec module it does work
[23:30] <sarnold> hehehe: 'apt-get install nginx-light"
[23:30] <sarnold> done and done :)
[23:30] <hehehe> eee
[23:30] <hehehe> what is nginx light?
[23:31] <hehehe> sarnold: why light
[23:31] <hehehe> it does not have full blown options
[23:32] <hehehe> and it does not have modsecurity there
[23:32] <hehehe> or does it?
[23:33] <sarnold> hehehe: because after reading the sources in the package I asked teward to make it easy to install only things directly from the nginx crew, and then put -that- package in main, and leave the packages with non-nginx-sources in universe.
[23:33] <hehehe> :)
[23:35] <hehehe> sarnold: well I am not using nginx from ppa Iam compiling it from scratch
[23:35] <hehehe> nginx from ppa does not come with modsecurity as you said
[23:36] <hehehe> so how did you compiled nginx with modsecurity? :)
[23:49] <hehehe> I compiled ubuntu into mac os :) yep just rewrote kernel on weekend
[23:49] <hehehe> as if
[23:49] <Epx998> boss just asked me to build a centos7 unattended, something is afoot
[23:52] <sarnold> Epx998: oh so -now- they want to run latest releases..:)
[23:52] <Epx998> sarnold: for some other team I think
[23:52] <Epx998> netboot failed miserably tho so yeah
[23:57] <hehehe> :)))
[23:57] <hehehe> folks how do you use ossec?
[23:57] <hehehe> some neat active responce rules to be aware of?


[13:21] <locodir-user> hello, I just installed ubuntu 12.04 after working with windows xp for a long time and need some help regarding the desktop
[13:25] <toddy> hi locodir-user – the right channel for support questions is #ubuntu There are a lot of supporters which can help you. :)
[13:31] <locodir-user> Thanks


 Use the "Broken" filter to locate them.
[10:21] <InHisName1> I've done that and tried various ways to rebuild / reinstall/ etc.  All end with errors.   Seems like a corruption in reading the file !!!
[11:52] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:12] <waltman> Morning.
[13:22] <rmg51> morning again to all you sleepyheads :-D
[13:58] <rmg51> only 298 updates :-D
[13:58] <rmg51> 320MB :P
[13:59] <rmg51> that's what I get for not booting the external in several months
[14:00] <GeekyAdam> hai
[14:00] <rmg51> o/
[14:08] <GeekyAdam> i still dont get what that is... is it a cyclops smirking like :/ ?
[14:09] <rmg51> it's just a way of saying hello
[14:09] <rmg51> it's a wave
[14:09] <rmg51> a head and an arm
[14:09] <rmg51> \o
[14:10] <rmg51> \0/
[14:11] <GeekyAdam> ahh
[16:08]  * cythes taps foot "Been a while" -- Azimon
[16:08] <cythes> Azimov*
[16:11] <cythes> Go figure, first time back and I still suffer from typo syndrome.
[16:15] <rmg51> first time I remember seeing your nick cythes
[16:15] <cythes> rmg51: I used to go by "AlexanderAzimov"
[16:17] <rmg51> that's what I thought
[16:18] <rmg51> the "Been a while" was my first clue
[16:18] <rmg51> just wasn't sure
[16:21] <cythes> Yeah, I have been using mint for the last however long its been. Still ubuntu at heart.
[16:23] <rmg51> as long as it's not Windows =-O
[16:25] <cythes> Lol I dislike windows with a passion. I do feel horrible for not keeping in touch so I am putting us-pa in my default channels again. What can I say, miss my old friends.
[16:26] <cythes> I founf out something that almost made me lose my hair, my grandmother is running AOL's web browser from like 2005... They dont even support it anymore.
[16:26] <cythes> found*
[16:26] <rmg51> right now I'm playing around with Unity at the moment
[16:28] <cythes> I can not say I'm a huge fan of it. I'll stick to my gnomes, no matter how ugly they may be in real life.
[16:29] <rmg51> that's why I doing it on an external install
[16:30] <cythes> Lol nice, I'm going to go about re-registering on freenode.
[16:31] <rmg51> go for it
[16:34] <cythes> Alright... registration complete!
[16:34] <cythes> brb
[16:35] <cythes> I'm in :)
[16:37] <rmg51> I'm done
[16:38] <cythes> and?
[16:38] <rmg51> with Unity for now
[16:38] <cythes> Lol, I did a full installation of arch the other day... man was that fun..
[16:40] <rmg51> I still prefer a gui
[16:42] <cythes> I have been using linux in total for about four years now. Its time I actually got my hands dirty and started learning the inner workings. I'm comfortable with the basics in terminal. Even comfortable with irssi (Irc client) but its time I started getting more our of it.
[16:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[16:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> i prefer a gui too
[16:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> but i do shittons of work in CLI
[16:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> heck, i've got ten terminals in yakuake right now with the GUI
[16:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[16:43] <cythes> TheEvilPhoenix: Ever use tmux?
[16:43] <cythes> Its like screen only updated.
[16:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> cythes:  unfortunately no
[16:45] <cythes> I would suggest checking it out some time...Might help a little.
[16:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> *shrugs*
[16:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> its not like this system is up 24/7
[16:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[16:47] <cythes> nor is mine lol.
[16:47] <cythes> brb I require food
[16:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> i have food :P\
[16:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> a huge pizza
[16:48]  * cythes ninjas a slice.
[16:48] <rmg51> food?
[16:48] <rmg51> chatters eat?
[16:48]  * TheEvilPhoenix forgot to mention its laced with a poison he's immune to
[16:49] <cythes> rmg51: Yeah some of us even have one of those life things outside of the IRC.
[16:49] <rmg51> I thought we just sat in front of our computers all day :-D
[16:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> rmg51:  i'm actually working :P
[16:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> so i multitask :p
[16:49] <cythes> TheEvilPhoenix: I'm a ninja you think I dont know how to counter poison?
[16:49]  * TheEvilPhoenix has jobs regarding computer programming
[16:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> cythes:  you realize its liquified Nova 6 nerve toxin?
[16:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> ;P
[16:50] <rmg51> I have to switch over to XP to make a birthday card ;-)
[16:50] <cythes> rmg51: How could you!!!!
[16:50] <cythes> xD
[16:51] <cythes> TheEvilPhoenix: Oh... Plutoxin 7 then lol :D
[16:51] <rmg51> cythes: no choice
[16:51] <rmg51> no greeting card app in Ubuntu
[16:51] <cythes> Alright... I forgives... :D xD
[16:53] <rmg51> pleia2: tried and failed to find something as good as I have on the Windows side
[16:54] <cythes> Could always make one some time...
[16:54] <cythes> Or use gimp.
[16:55] <cythes> Hell I used opendraw and gimp to draw a circuit board for something my dad and I are working on.
[16:56] <rmg51> I'm not good at drawing :-(
[16:57] <rmg51> I just click on things
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> doode
[22:10] <cythes> MutantTurkey: Two guesses as to who I am lol
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> are we G+ friends and Fb friends?
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> two guesses
[22:17] <cythes> Yes we are... been friends for a while.
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> alex no?
[22:17] <cythes> BINGO!
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> knew it
[22:17] <cythes> The prodigal son returns! well not really.
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> is your email to do with cythes or something? by what means did i understand that?
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> prodigal son never chilled with me this summer... you filthy Zeitgiest!
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> :P
[22:19] <cythes> Its just my new username.... the Prodigal son shall be doing that when he gets a lisence / car lol
[22:19] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: got some of those toe FILA toe shoes... realized I have claws...
[22:19] <cythes> Soon I hope / I installed arch.
[22:19] <MutantTurkey> nice!
[22:19] <cythes> Its on one of my 140 gig hdd's.
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> i cleaned out my HD las week. didn't realize how much crap
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> nearly a gig in /root! wtf.
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> 10gigs in my pacman cache
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: yeah, with your archbox, you probably wanna run pacman -Scc once in a blue moon, that's where pacman removes all the old packages it's saved
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> basically they just CURL the package from the mirror and then install it, so you end up with a giant directory of packges
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> good if you need to downgrade and also reinstall frequently but can get quite hefty
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> anyway I gotta split, I'll be back in 30/45 cythes
[22:22] <cythes> If I'm aorund I'll see yah then
[22:25] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey:  toe fila?
[22:32] <cythes> Hah I'm still cythes here. :D
[22:36] <rmg51> did you expect to turn into someone else just like that?
[22:37] <cythes> Yes
[22:37] <cythes> I forgot I'm on two networks lol
[23:02] <jthan> I'm in Boston.
[23:04] <rmg51> say hi to jfrost for us :-D
[23:04] <jthan> lol
[23:04] <jthan> Is he still up here?
[23:05] <rmg51> think so
[23:08] <jthan> He doesn't like me much
[23:09] <rmg51> show up on his doorstep and see what happens ;-)
[23:13] <MobileTurkey> cythes: yoo
[23:14] <cythes> Yo!
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> wassup
[23:25] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: resources not an issue on archbox
[23:25] <jedijf> but good reminder
[23:25] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: I know, just saying I mean I got up to 5 gigs randomly
[23:26] <cythes> MobileTurkey: Oh not much watching vids on youtube... wondering what to do with my new account lol.
[23:26] <cythes> Youtube account that is.
[23:56] <MobileTurkey> ubuntu user just walked in
[23:57] <MobileTurkey> I laughed and called him some mean names


[08:49] <Dresk> Brand new to Lubuntu, trying to use Synaptic to change my driver to proprietary NVIDIA, but the thing just sits there, progress bar doesn't move, don't see any HTTP traffic, not sure what's going on
[11:35] <fima_noutbaka> good day. can i get some help regarding Lubuntu 13.10?
[18:13] <Dresk> So, I'm thinking I made the right choice of Lubuntu as my buntu variant, but I can't configure lxpanel or Desktop Page, both of them keep crashing immediately when trying to open their respective GUI configure tools
[18:13] <Dresk> This is pretty much fresh out of the box with the latest updates
[18:14] <wxl> Dresk: which version?
[18:16] <Dresk> 14.10, latest version, latest updates
[18:19] <wxl> Dresk: and what are you trying to do to configure lxpanel?
[18:20] <Dresk> Well to start shrink the size of my 4 desktop previews in Desktop Pager, remove the Power Manager button (it doesn't even have an icon, it's just a blank space, but I don't want it there)
[18:21] <wxl> not what are you trying to accomplish, but how did you do it?
[18:21] <zy3pD> Dresk, maybe 14.04 is more stable
[18:22] <wxl> zy3pD: no such problem appeared in testing 14.10, so i wouldn't say that's necessarily true.
[18:22] <Dresk> zy3pD: I switched from 9 years of Mandriva / Mandrake to come to an OS that's always up to date and still has lots of GUIs; I was hoping to always stay in the latest builds
[18:22] <Dresk> wxl: I'm doing it simply by right-clicking the Desktop Pager and clicking "Desktop Pager" settings
[18:23] <Dresk> wxl: I don't know of a command-line method for launching that GUI
[18:25] <wxl> Dresk: for lxpanel, see if `lxpanelctl config` works better
[18:26] <Dresk> wxl: Okay, launched, under the Panel Applets tab, clicking Desktop Pager and then Edit..
[18:26] <Dresk> Exploded
[18:26] <Dresk> Clicking Power Manager Plugin and clicking Remove...
[18:26] <zy3pD> Dresk, you can change the panel manually configuring this file: ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[18:26] <Dresk> That crashed lxpanelctl
[18:26] <wxl> with what error?
[18:27] <Dresk> zy3pD: I will use that as a fallback, but I really wanted Lubuntu to be very GUI-based like Mandriva
[18:27] <Dresk> No error, nothing in the console, it launches in the background automagically
[18:27] <wxl> curious
[18:28] <wxl> do you have an lxpanel folder in ~/.cache?
[18:28] <Dresk> I do not sir
[18:29] <wxl> see if there's any errors in ~/.cache/openbox/openbox.log or ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log
[18:31] <Dresk> ** (obconf:3222): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
[18:31] <Dresk> ** Message: app.vala:130: lxpanel exit with this type of exit: 139
[18:31] <Dresk> ** Message: app.vala:148: Exit not normal, try to reload
[18:31] <Dresk> ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching lxpanel
[18:31] <Dresk> That's in lxsession's Run.log ...
[18:31] <Dresk> Checking Openbox...
[18:31] <wxl> try watching that log file while you did what you did and make sure that the error comes up again
[18:31] <wxl> i hate that those logs don't have times in them
[18:33] <Dresk> ** (obconf:3417): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
[18:33] <Dresk> That kicks off when I right-click the pager and click Desktop Pager Settings
[18:35] <Dresk> Nothing is in Openbox.log of any merit
[18:47] <Dresk> wxl: Any ideas?  Kind of a deal breaker for me, I've only been running Lubuntu for about 7 hours and I got lots of guys saying OpenSuSe might be what I really want
[18:48] <zy3pD> Dresk, have you ever tried to run the session as root?
[18:48] <Dresk> As I said, I switched to Mandriva which had a beautiful singular control center to configure everything; in Lubuntu I ponder how to get back to some of the GUIs during initial setup (such as if I need to login at startup, or to configure my init / whatever services, starting / stopping them, job-admin does NOT work)
[18:49] <Dresk> zy3pD: Isn't it a cardinal sin to run X as root?
[18:49] <zy3pD> yeah so i ask ^^
[18:50] <Dresk> I don't think I'm going to do that, hehe, thanks for the suggestion though
[18:50] <zy3pD> Dresk, have you tried to install lubuntu again? or rebooted it?
[18:50] <Dresk> zy3pD: I pretty much just installed it a few hours ago and did an update to it, and have rebooted many times
[18:50] <Dresk> zy3pD: Fresh off right after installing and updating I couldn't configure desktop pager
[18:51] <zy3pD> Dresk, 14.10 is *the version with the new features* maybe you try the stable 14.04
[18:52] <Dresk> Isn't 14.10 a "stable" release though?
[18:53] <zy3pD> yeah its also "stable" but the .04 versions are though for to use them for a long time (some have lts) and the .10 version shows which features will be new in the next .04 version ;)
[18:54] <wxl> sorry i've returned
[18:57] <Dresk> No problem, I thank you for your help so far
[18:57] <wxl> yeah well i'm concerned it may be a dbus issue
[18:58] <wxl> unfortunately some of those warnings are no big deal and some of them are not
[18:59] <Dresk> A trite concerning it's happening "out of the box" so to speak, to the Window Manager specific for the distro
[18:59] <wxl> what's unfortunate is that i only have 1404
[18:59] <Dresk> Is that a recommendation?
[18:59] <wxl> no
[19:00] <wxl> especially given your desires
[19:01] <wxl> why is it an accessibility isue? so weird
[19:01] <wxl> i suspect that's a red herring
[19:01] <wxl> at the same time i feel like i've heard of this before
[19:02] <Dresk> Different topic quick question - lots of apps are using Qt, I think, and I used to have something that let me use my Gtk themes in Qt, and I'm not sure what that was or how I did it, but I believe it would make apps like Volume Control and Synaptic look nice on Lubuntu
[19:02] <Dresk> wxl: Well I'm game to be a guinea pig for any kind of fixing
[19:02] <wxl> i hear you
[19:03] <wxl> there is one solution that i can think of but it won't provide an immediate answer
[19:04] <wxl> from what i can tell it looks like the accessibility bus error is just an annoying warning
[19:04] <wxl> i suspect that's not the issue
[19:06] <wxl> Dresk: indeed zy3pD's suggestion of manually configuring through the config file might be a good idea to get you something right now
[19:07] <wxl> you could also try turning logging on. kill lxpanel and restart it with --log 4
[19:08] <wxl> you MAY need to specify the profile with -p Lubuntu if you get a weird looking panel for some reason
[19:08] <Dresk> Does lxpanel have a safe way of killing?  Any signal in particular?
[19:08] <Dresk> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[19:08] <wxl> i don't think there's an unsafe way to kill it honestly :)
[19:08] <Dresk> Yeah that's what I have right now
[19:09] <wxl> yeah the problem is apparently logging isn't on
[19:09] <wxl> could i ask you to make a bug report for this?
[19:10] <wxl> i'd like to see some other 14.10 folks confirm this
[19:10] <Dresk> Sure, no idea where Lubuntu has that
[19:10] <wxl> i'd do it myself in a vm but i've got a pritty throttled public wifi connection right now
[19:10] <wxl> !bugs | Dresk
[19:10] <wxl> there's the answer :)
[19:10] <wxl> please subscribe "Lubuntu Packages Team"
[19:10] <Dresk> Let me see if I can get some more logging info for the report
[19:11] <wxl> ubuntu-bug will pull most of the relevant stuff but i'm not sure it's smart enough to automatically grab the logs, so make sure to add that
[19:11] <wxl> assumedly turning logging on will result in a new folder in ~/.cache
[19:12] <wxl> i'm on the team and it will remind me to check on it later
[19:12] <Dresk> Actually, it didn't, still just lxsession and nothing new in it
[19:12] <wxl> bizarre.
[19:12] <wxl> anything in /var/log?
[19:13] <Dresk> No log files for LXDE
[19:14] <Dresk> [ 2125.258132] lxpanel[3234]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe45db82200 sp 00007fff53be4e10 error 4 in lxde_power_manager.so[7fe45db7a000+f000]
[19:14] <wxl> ahhhh
[19:14] <wxl> useful
[19:14] <Dresk> Heh, it ends in f000
[19:14] <wxl> interesting that it's with power manager
[19:14] <Dresk> Well that's when I tried to remove Power Manager
[19:15] <Dresk> [ 4383.671768] lxpanel[3944]: segfault at 0 ip           (null) sp 00007ffff2aa7478 error 14 in lxpanel[400000+30000]
[19:15] <Dresk> That's all I got for Desktop Pager it seems
[19:15] <wxl> you removed the power manager first?
[19:15] <Dresk> I tried to do that first, yes
[19:16] <Dresk> At this point I've tried both things many times
[19:16] <wxl> yeah try manually editing the config file
[19:16] <wxl> i bet there's a null reference of some kind in there
[19:16] <wxl> brb
[19:16] <Dresk> Where's that config again?
[19:25] <Dresk> Oh wow lxpanel just segfaulted after successfully removing the Application Launch Bar at the far right (basically the logout button).  I successfully removed it, and then I simply right-clicked blank space in the Task Manager applet and it segfaulted
[19:27] <Dresk> And crashed again after restarting, just right-clicking the Task Manager area
[19:28] <Dresk> [ 5179.653523] lxpanel[3984]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe105b3a200 sp 00007fffa4ea0f10 error 4 in lxde_power_manager.so[7fe105b32000+f000]
[19:28] <Dresk> It's DEFINITELY power manager
[19:28] <Dresk> And I think it's because the power manager is trying to read the power of my damn wireless mouse which runs on normal AA batteries and in Windows doesn't even have a tool for reporting battery status
[19:29] <wxl> ok back
[19:29] <Dresk> I think you can file many of my issues under my mouse
[19:29] <Dresk> Gonna unplug it for a moment and see what happens
[19:29] <wxl> config is at ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[19:30] <Dresk> Okay
[19:30] <Dresk> On a wired mouse now
[19:30] <Dresk> Launching lxpanel
[19:31] <wxl> i think there's a default at /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[19:31] <Dresk> Gosh dangit, still crashed
[19:32] <wxl> cp the one in your home folder somewhere and replace it with the default one
[19:32] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart will reload
[19:32] <Dresk> Alright, one sec
[19:33] <Dresk> Okay, back to a stock panel
[19:34] <Dresk> Desktop Pager settings still blows up
[19:34] <wxl> bizarre
[19:34] <wxl> well,
[19:34] <wxl> i wonder if you have the same problem with the live cd
[19:50] <Dresk> All problems still on deck here wxl
[19:51] <wxl> Dresk: with the live cd?
[19:51] <Dresk> wxl: Oh, no, just with my current install
[19:51] <Dresk> wxl: Replaced with default config, changed mouse
[19:51] <Dresk> Gonna remove power manually
[19:54] <Dresk> Well at least power is gone, but I still can't launch the Desktop Pager configuration GUI
[19:56] <Dresk> wxl: Do you have a recommendation for a compositor thats sits well with Lubuntu?  Not having vsync is horrid; I figured compton would make the most sense, but I like suggestions
[19:56] <ianorlin> Dresk launch obconf from the menu and go to desktops
[19:56] <ianorlin> that will take you to same place
[19:58] <Dresk> ianorlin: Giving that a shot
[19:58] <Dresk> ianorlin: This doesn't have ALL the options that configuring Desktop Pager has though
[19:59] <Dresk> ianorlin: For example, the width of each desktop displayed, the tiling format, etc
[19:59] <ianorlin> Dresk that is what that took you to before
[19:59] <ianorlin> The width of each desktop is choosen by your screen aspect ratio and stuff automatically
[20:00] <Dresk> Huh, I swore I recall being able to configure that
[20:13] <Dresk> wxl: Is there a GUI app for setting your Gtk3 theme?  I'm used to gtk-chtheme for Gtk2, and it makes all running Gtk2 apps reload the theme without needing to relaunch, but I don't know of a Gtk3 variant (trying to make Synaptic look nice)
[21:48] <ianorlin> Is expert mode in lubuntu software center just there to show cli only apps
[21:53] <drkokandy> I think normal mode also hides some of the not-application packages
[21:55] <ianorlin> yes that too
[23:07] <Metapod1> hi, how/where do I report a package that got updated? (warzone2100 got an update recently)
[23:10] <ianorlin> Metapod1: report a package for what?
[23:11] <Metapod1> well, it would be an update request.
[23:12] <Metapod1> but i got an answer: (20:10:01) k1l: Metapod1: in general package only get bug and security upgrade. new program versions just come with the new ubuntu releases
[23:41] <Dresk> So how does one configure if they need to login at startup?  I configured that I did, but I no longer wish it, and I find no GUI option for thus.  In tandem, I shall Google!
[23:41] <Dresk> Also, what power manager does Lubuntu recommend?  The Xfce one or Light Locker?
[23:48] <drkokandy> the default installation should include both. I usually configure my settings in Xfce


[05:19] <Kilos> morning all
[05:35] <Kilos> ai!
[05:41]  * Kilos wonders if there was method in pro's madness
[06:07] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:11] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:13] <mazal> inetpro: you around ?
[06:14] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I started to do that re-install an that external , gonna try and fit it in during the day between work
[06:14] <mazal> But something I need to know about that seperate /boot partition
[06:15] <Kilos> you going to do the install from the lappy?
[06:15] <mazal> No , installing on one of my machine here at work , then will test on lappy tonight at home
[06:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:16] <Kilos> what do you need to know about the /boot
[06:16] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[06:16] <mazal> I was wondering , that is a small partition ( made mine 450mb now ) , but won't that fill up quickly when kernels update ? Doesn't the kernel lie there ?
[06:17] <Kilos> no
[06:17] <mazal> ok kewl
[06:17] <Kilos> where are you putting the /boot
[06:18] <mazal> Kilos: The plan is , do the whole install and updates today. Then tonight I will plug it into lappy , and do that update grub you teached me to add it again on lappy's internal drive , reboor and test
[06:18] <mazal> That /boot is a partition on the drive
[06:18] <mazal> Small partition on it's own
[06:18] <Kilos> i always make seperate partitions
[06:19] <Kilos>  / /boot and /home
[06:19] <mazal> I was just worried with it being so small that it will fill up quickly then I can't boot ( google suggested 250mb )
[06:20] <mazal> When I installed , 250mb wasn't big enough , it asked for 368mb , then I made it 450mb
[06:20] <Kilos> i make mine 2g always but i think its always under 500m that gets used
[06:21] <Kilos> i dont know what the pro was planning with you\
[06:22] <Kilos> he knows better
[06:23] <Kilos> download this thing and put it on a cd http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[06:23] <Kilos> handy to have when drivges wont boot
[06:23] <Kilos> it can actually boot into the system
[06:26] <mazal> I have had that somewhere many moons ago
[06:27] <Kilos> lol
[06:27] <mazal> Messed up one of my drives though
[06:27] <mazal> Never used it again
[06:27] <Kilos> ai!
[06:27] <mazal> It was at least 5 years ago , can't even remember what happened
[06:31] <mazal> Ag nee , install finished , but now the updates is giving me issues
[06:31] <Kilos> ai!
[06:31] <Kilos> what issues
[06:32] <mazal> Looks like it's hanging and not downloading
[06:32] <mazal> But same line and router than this pc I am chatting on , and this one is fine
[06:32] <Kilos> patience it will say something if it cant work
[06:33] <mazal> It's reporting 16k/s , instead of 200k/s :(
[06:33] <Kilos> what repo?
[06:33] <mazal> **sigh** , why must I just be struggling with everything this month
[06:33] <mazal> shees
[06:34] <Kilos> i use the neology repo, its always nice and fast
[06:34] <Kilos> and up to date
[07:21] <Kilos> all my bzr and nikola stuffs be broken
[07:42] <superfly> *yawn*
[07:43] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:45] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:45] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:45] <TinuvaMac> how you doing on this fine friday
[07:46] <Kilos> as normal just sukkeling alone
[07:46] <Kilos> losing myself in all the things ive done wrong and trying to correct
[07:46] <TinuvaMac> that sounds very deep for a friday
[07:47] <Kilos> and making chilli and garlic sauce so i can burn something open
[08:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:00] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:01]  * inetpro joins in the *yawning*
[08:01] <inetpro> why is this stuff so contagious?
[08:02] <Kilos> lol
[08:05] <superfly> inetpro: because, like me, you didn't have enough sleep last night?
[08:07] <inetpro> hmm... maybe
[08:07] <inetpro> funny thing is just that the moment I noticed your yawning I also had to do it
[08:07] <inetpro> like being remote controlled
[08:08] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[08:14] <SDCDev> morning Kilos
[08:20] <mazal> Kilos update: Everything finished , updated , data put back and all. Now is just to plug into lappy tonight , do the update grub and test
[08:22] <Kilos> yay lets hope mazal
[08:22] <Kilos> but try boot directly from it first
[08:22] <mazal> I will
[08:23] <mazal> I really have hope for inetpro's plan , lots of logic in it
[08:23] <Kilos> always logic in his madness
[08:24] <Kilos> i just miss it most of the time
[08:24] <mazal> If I get that strange grub error , I will then do the update grub to get an entry for it on the internal and test that
[08:24] <Kilos> ya
[08:25] <mazal> maaz tell inetpro Re-installation with seperate /boot (450mb) complete. Just plug in and test left tonight. Will give feedback
[08:25] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[08:25] <Kilos> haha
[08:25] <inetpro> mazal: even 100MB should be enough for /boot
[08:25] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell inetpro Re-installation with seperate /boot (450mb) complete. Just plug in and test left tonight. Will give feedback" 30 seconds ago
[08:26] <mazal> oh hi inetpro , didn't know you are here :)
[08:26] <mazal> inetpro: I had it at 250mb and installer refused. Wanted 368mb minimum
[08:26] <Kilos> he is always here, just lurks most of the time
[08:27] <inetpro> mazal: only thing I'm not sure about is whether the limitation is a drive limitation or a partition limitation
[08:27] <mazal> It's booting fine on pc here at work , updates done , just the test left tonight
[08:27] <inetpro> think it might not even work
[08:27] <Kilos> oi
[08:27] <mazal> We'll know tonight inetpro , if it doesn't work is ok , it is worth a try
[08:28] <inetpro> think the limitation was something about INT13h-extensions
[08:28] <Kilos> lets hope
[08:29] <mazal> Thanx for the help inetpro , I think you are spot on with that it might be a size issue. Now we must just wait to see if it is drive related or partition related
[08:29] <inetpro> really old stuffs
[08:30] <inetpro> must be old type hardware
[08:30] <mazal> Well I estimate the lappy at 4 years
[08:30] <inetpro> if it is teh same problem
[08:30] <mazal> Bought it second hand , so don't know exact age. But seller estimated about 3 to 4 years.
[08:31] <inetpro> mazal: you really don't have a small USB stick around?
[08:31] <mazal> Yeah I do inetpro , but it is here at work , didn't have it with me last night at home. This problem lappy is at home
[08:31] <mazal> Will take that home with me as well tonight
[08:31] <inetpro> cool
[08:32] <mazal> And it already has a live ubuntu on it , so it's just plug in and test
[08:32] <mazal> and I know it works as I used it today to do the re-install
[08:33] <mazal> Only thing I see now , it's 16gig
[08:33] <mazal> I must search for a 4gig one , must be one here somehere and put live iso on 4gig one as well me thinks
[08:34] <Kilos> mazal  save you archives somewhere else
[08:35] <Kilos>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:35] <Kilos> then if you need to reinstall tonight there is only the update data to fetch
[08:39] <mazal> Kilos: I don't think I will re-install again. If this doesn't work , then what else can I change that would require another re-install ?
[08:40] <mazal> And the lappy's internal has exactly the same OS. So I can use that archives if that need arrises
[08:44] <mazal> inetpro: http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c02030597
[08:44] <mazal> Is that one ^^
[08:45] <mazal> Mine is the i5 , 4gb RAM model. Still trying to find info about what year it was released
[08:47] <mazal> This page http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c04141332 was created Sept. 2011. So ja , it looks like its about 3.5 years back.
[08:49] <Kilos> mazal when all else fails the remove the lappy drive and install from dvd to the external directly
[08:50] <Kilos> then it will sort whatever is causing your hassles imo
[08:52] <Kilos> you can also turn off quiet splash so you can see what grub is doing
[08:52] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[08:53] <Kilos> where you see "quiet splash" just delete the quiet splash between the " "
[08:53] <Kilos> and you have to hash another line
[08:55] <Kilos> sorry unhash GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[08:55] <Kilos> then do sudo update-grub
[08:55] <Kilos> on your external im talking about now while you have it working
[09:04] <mazal> Oom Kilos , tell me that again tonight , no way I will remember that :P
[09:05] <Kilos> lol you must do it now in the running external
[09:05] <Kilos> can only be done when running
[09:18] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[09:19] <magellanic> heya
[09:19] <inetpro> mazal: perhaps an upgrade of the BIOS will also help
[09:26] <mazal> inetpro: I'm very scared of that. Don't trust myself with that
[09:29] <mazal> It looks like they have nice bios update software , but it's for Windoze :(
[09:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <mazal> Can't see another way , it looks like I will have to format it , get Win 7 on it just to update the bios
[09:48] <mazal> There comes the more re-installations Kilos :P
[09:49] <Kilos> eish
[09:50] <mazal> I'm gonna have to drag my whole work toolkit home tonight , nevermind a stick
[09:51] <Kilos> never mind, when you are done everything will work lekker
[09:51] <mazal> I think I'll image my laptop first though , and put image back when done. Otherwise I have to re-install it twice :(
[09:52] <mazal> But first I'm going to try the drive as is , that all might not be neccesary.
[09:52] <Kilos> ya first things first
[09:53] <Kilos> and one step at a time
[09:53] <Kilos> hee hee
[09:53] <Kilos> who does that sound like
[09:53] <mazal> And I wanted a nice quiet weekend
[09:55] <Kilos> na quiet weekends are boring
[09:57] <mazal> ai
[09:57] <Kilos> but its lekker when your system works fine and you can just battle with other things
[09:58] <mazal> Well let me put it this way. If I can get this thing working , it will solve a huge headache I have there. So if it works in the end , it will be worth it
[09:58] <mazal> Is a very important reason I need this external to boot on that laptop
[09:58] <Kilos> yep
[09:59] <mazal> But I won't tell ANYBODY the reason because I will get slaped
[10:00]  * mazal updates his trello to-do list
[10:00] <mazal> And that list was nice and empty
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:01]  * mazal mumbels
[10:01] <Kilos> trello is kinda lekker hey
[10:01] <Kilos> yours is better than mine though
[10:02] <Kilos> on mine the fly and pro can slap me
[10:03] <Kilos> Maaz  it doesnt work
[10:03] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[10:03] <Kilos> Maaz  it dont work
[10:03] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[10:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:31] <mazal> Oom Kilos: I have another Kubuntu question for you
[10:31] <magellanic> you are flashing the bios to boot usb?
[10:31] <mazal> Updating it magellanic
[10:32] <mazal> Well , planning to anyway
[10:32] <magellanic> it doesn't boot usb?
[10:32] <mazal> We suspect it can't handle the big drive
[10:32] <mazal> So things going to be tried , a. Small seperate /boot partition , b. update bios
[10:33] <mazal> magellanic: Nope , it refuses to boot my external that boot fine on two other pc's
[10:33] <mazal> Last night we double checked that grub is ok with some repair options , but it seems to rather be hardware related ( due to too big drive ) or something similar
[10:34] <magellanic> possible. how far does it get?
[10:34] <mazal> crashes immediately
[10:34] <mazal> When booting straight from the drive I get a weird grub error about trying to read outside of hd0
[10:35] <mazal> Then we added a grub entry for it on the laptop's internal drive , when booting from internal and selecting the external to boot it blank screen for 2 seconds and reboots
[10:35] <mazal> Then it doesn't even give grub error
[10:36] <magellanic> yeah I was going to suggest the second option you tried there
[10:36] <magellanic> hmm I see
[10:36] <mazal> So I re-installed it today , and made a seperate /boot partition of 450mb
[10:36] <mazal> ( it was only 1 big / partition )
[10:36] <mazal> If that don't work either , then going to try and update bios
[10:37] <mazal> Problem with that though , it only has an app for Windoze to do that
[10:37] <mazal> So there comes lots of hassle
[10:37] <magellanic> yeah I had similar issues updating a bios
[10:37] <mazal> I will have to first image laptop , install win 7 , update bios , put back image
[10:38] <mazal> So I rather hope that the smaller /boot partition does the trick
[10:38] <mazal> I really don't want to go that bios update route
[10:38] <mazal> Is a 1TB drive btw
[10:38] <magellanic> agree, sounds too painful :D
[10:38] <mazal> very :P
[10:39] <mazal> BUT
[10:39] <magellanic> thinking, grub tries to load stage 2, might be failing in stage 2 when booting off external, might be things you can do/try there
[10:40] <mazal> If I do get it to work , oh man a huge logistical problem would be solved at home
[10:40] <mazal> So am willing to go that bios root if I have to
[10:41] <mazal> Something else I am also gonna try is to boot from my live usb stick , just to confirm the size of drive theory
[10:41] <magellanic> if you can, paste the grub error you get when booting from external
[10:41] <mazal> Unfortunately it was lying here at work last night , else I would have tested that already
[10:42] <mazal> It wa something along these lines :
[10:42] <mazal> error: Trying to read or write outside of 'hd0'
[10:42] <mazal> starting recovery mode
[10:42] <mazal> grub>_
[10:42] <mazal> That's of the top of my head , not exactly that , but pretty close
[10:43] <mazal> and when booting from internal drive's grub and selecting the external's entry , no error , just black screen for 2 seconds and reboot
[10:44] <mazal> During that 2 second black screen I could see hdd light flickers , it tries to access it , but then reboots
[10:45] <magellanic> try the smaller partition, sounds like it, from a quick search..
[10:45] <mazal> Will do tonight
[10:46] <mazal> Don't have that lappy here at work
[10:46] <mazal> loadshedding permitting of course
[10:49] <magellanic> oh yes, I better check the schedule too
[10:49] <Kilos> magellanic  youre an old ubuntu user, when are you applying for membership
[10:49] <Kilos> we need more members
[10:50] <magellanic> where do I apply, at the site?
[10:50] <Kilos> lol its a major job
[10:51] <Kilos> let me see what i can find
[10:52] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[10:52] <magellanic> mazal: one useful comment I saw, if you don't want to reinstall the external, is to shrink the partition within the limits, and then re-run the grub install stuff
[10:52] <magellanic> depending on the size and use
[10:53] <mazal> Is ok , re-install is already done
[10:53] <mazal> re-installed , updated , tested , all done
[10:54] <mazal> Boots 100% fine on pc here.
[10:54] <magellanic> cool
[10:58] <mazal> Ready for testing on the problem lappy hehehehe
[11:20] <magellanic> Kilos: cool, looking at the membership requirements, I don't think I'm eligible though
[11:21] <Kilos> well together we work on it, are you still registered as active on launchpad?
[11:21] <magellanic> I would like a signed cert from Mark though :D
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <magellanic> no I'm not active on launchpad
[11:22] <Kilos> oh my thats first then
[11:22] <Kilos> just get your ~email there
[11:24] <Kilos> did you let renewing slide?
[11:24] <magellanic> will consider later for membership
[11:24] <magellanic> no I was never a member
[11:24] <Kilos> wow
[11:25] <Kilos> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID
[11:25] <Kilos> maybe thats the wrong link
[12:01] <mazal> oom Kilos: I have another lekke question for you
[12:04] <Kilos> ask mazal
[12:05] <Kilos> sorry was outside3
[12:05] <mazal> usb memory stick
[12:05] <Kilos> ya
[12:05] <mazal> kde partition manager
[12:05] <mazal> format to fat32
[12:05] <Kilos> nee man
[12:05] <mazal> Tells me adding a label is not supported by this file system (fat32)
[12:05] <Kilos> have you got disk utility running on unity somewhere
[12:06] <mazal> Same os , gparted , format fat32 and label
[12:06] <mazal> why ?
[12:06] <Kilos> disk utility gives the option to format to mbr
[12:06] <Kilos> it needs the mbr bvit added to make it bootable
[12:06] <Kilos> bit
[12:07] <mazal> is just interesting why 2 different partition managers have different views on label for the same file system format
[12:07] <Kilos> lol
[12:07] <Kilos> you can format to fat32 but without the mbr it wont boot i think
[12:07] <Kilos> hi drussell
[12:08] <mazal> If the file system format doesn't support it like kde partition manager states , then gparted must also not be able to do it , it's mos the not supported by file system
[12:08] <Kilos> you can do it from cli as well but i dont know that
[12:08] <Kilos> are you using kde now
[12:09] <mazal> Just something interesting , doesn't matter
[12:09] <Kilos> you can try install gnome-disk-utility i think its called
[12:09] <mazal> Two software not agreeing about the same thing
[12:10] <Kilos> when i format i label the size of the stick there
[12:10] <Kilos> like 16G or 4G
[12:10] <Kilos> and my external is ext
[12:10] <mazal> Yeah I also like to label , but kde partition manager refuse if it's fat32 , while gparted do it gladly hehehe
[12:11] <Kilos> i gave up with kparted thing
[12:11] <mazal> hehehe , computers
[12:11] <Kilos> ya
[12:12] <Kilos> are you using unetbootin to make it
[12:12] <mazal> I think unity's "disks" app also label fat32
[12:12] <mazal> If memory serves
[12:12] <Kilos> or are you installing your os to it
[12:13] <mazal> No this is just a stick that I put av updates on every week
[12:13] <Kilos> oh you dont want it bootable
[12:13] <Kilos> ai!
[12:13] <mazal> So picked that up now when I formatted it
[12:13] <mazal> Every week used to get a different label
[12:13] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <mazal> Then kde pm said , no way boet , can't do that
[12:14] <Kilos> ya i dont use it either
[12:14] <Kilos> gparted is a wonderful tool even for moving and resizing drives
[12:15] <mazal> When I was still on unity the app was "disks" I think that I used. Is the default one anyway
[12:16] <Kilos> now before they named it disks it was disk utility
[12:16] <mazal> So I finally found 2 little hickups in kde
[12:16] <Kilos> thats where the free comes in, you are free to use what you prefer or what suites you best
[12:17] <mazal> Oh btw , I like Kubuntu so much , when I re-installed that external I put Kubuntu on that as well. So all 3 my ubuntu machines are Kubuntu now
[12:17] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <Kilos> it is catchy once you get used to it
[12:18] <mazal> Indeed , and the hickups I've had so far is now where near major problems at all
[12:18] <mazal> no even
[12:18] <Kilos> mine works perfectly
[12:19] <mazal> I think I must go home , bit tired today
[12:19] <Kilos> its the other stuff i struggle with
[12:19] <Kilos> haha you want to go play not sleep
[12:19] <mazal> Nah I must go sort out that external thing :(
[12:19] <Kilos> see
[12:19] <mazal> First grocery shopping though
[12:19] <Kilos> ah
[12:20] <mazal> oom that drive aint playing , that's sukkeling :P
[12:20] <Kilos> haha but you are learning all the time
[12:21] <Kilos> make notes of how probs get solved
[12:21] <mazal> The learning part is nice ya
[12:25] <inetpro> lovely!!!
[12:25] <Kilos> what inetpro  ?
[12:25] <inetpro> Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS has been released
[12:25] <inetpro> :-)
[12:25] <Kilos> lol
[12:26] <Kilos> i thought you won the lotto or something
[12:33] <mazal> Ok guys , I'm off for now.  I didn't need to do the grub on internal thing
[14:35] <Kilos> lekker man
[14:36] <inetpro> that really is how easy it should be
[14:36] <Kilos> maybe we can do some bzr tonight
[14:36] <Kilos> hehe
[14:37] <inetpro> and if your usb port is fast as well it should fly without you even noticing the difference
[14:38] <mazal> I worked permanently like this for at least two years. Only worked on usb so that my OS went where I went. And never had any real performance issues
[14:38] <mazal> Only recently switched to internal
[14:42] <Kilos> im happy for you mazal
[14:42] <Kilos> now you can minetest with a happy heart
[14:47] <mazal> ook Kilos: You have no idea how reliefed I am this is working now :)
[14:47] <Kilos> lol
[14:48] <Kilos> now you can have your quiet weekend
[14:49] <mazal> yes !!!! :)
[14:51] <Kilos> maybe learn some bzr
[14:52] <Kilos> its really easy
[14:52] <Kilos> haha
[14:53] <Kilos> you just need a clegver mouse that knows what to copy/paste where
[14:53] <Kilos> clever
[15:54] <mazal> Now I just need to get the wi-fi that keeps disconnecting fixed
[16:42] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[16:43] <kulelu88> hi
[16:55] <Kilos> confluency  wb how are you?
[16:56] <kulelu88> HP Lovecraft
[16:57] <Kilos> yeah was here all the time some years back
[16:57] <Kilos> now i just gotta find hodgestar
[17:01] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:01] <captine> hi Kilos
[17:02] <Kilos> 3 more nicks and we break a years old record
[17:02] <Kilos> 4 actually
[17:02] <captine> anyone here read the article where a KDE developer "predicts" pc-bsd to overtake linux
[17:02] <captine> http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/15/02/16/2355236/pc-bsd-set-for-serious-growth
[17:03] <captine> Kilos, ?  nicks??
[17:03] <Kilos> peeps in the list of nicknames here
[17:03] <Kilos> hi superfly
[17:25] <Kilos> hi gremble
[17:26] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[17:26] <gremble> How is everyone doing?
[17:26] <Kilos> we good ty
[17:26] <Kilos> and you?
[17:26] <gremble> Excellent
[17:26] <gremble> Eh. Not too bad
[17:26] <gremble> Just busy
[17:26] <gremble> haha
[17:42] <Kilos> evberyone is just too busy
[17:42] <Kilos> every as well
[17:42] <gremble> Ya
[17:42] <gremble> I haven't been able to stop and rest yet this week. I don't think I will be able to get a chance this weekend either
[18:18] <Kilos> wb mazal
[18:19] <mazal> ta
[18:21] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[18:21] <magespawn> good evening
[18:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn  too
[18:21] <magespawn> indeed
[18:21] <mazal> lo magespawn
[18:21] <Kilos> i need to remember double tab with you
[18:22] <magespawn> hi mazal
[18:22] <gremble> Hey magespawn
[18:22] <magespawn> now it is a double tab
[18:22] <gremble> I think Kilos just made an inadvertant zombieland reference
[18:22] <mazal> On hexchat now
[18:22] <magespawn> howdy gremble
[18:23] <magespawn> hah indeed, the ubuntu-za version
[18:23] <Kilos> sjoe gremble  whats that
[18:23] <gremble> It is a movie Kilos
[18:23] <gremble> A pretty good one, in my opinion
[18:23] <Kilos> ah
[18:23] <gremble> About zombies, and still getting a shag when most of the human race is dead
[18:24] <magespawn> i thought it was quite funny
[18:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:24] <gremble> I liked it a lot
[18:24] <magespawn> cute girl
[18:24] <confluency> Kilos: Hi
[18:24] <Kilos> hows confluency  nice to see you back
[18:25] <Kilos> can you hook hodgestar too?
[18:25] <confluency> I got pung on Twitter; thought I'd check it out.
[18:25] <gremble> Does any one here work for an organisation that hires applied mathematicians?
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <magespawn> i have a friend that has a chair at rhodes, that is about as close as i can get
[18:26] <gremble> He owns a chair at Rhodes?
[18:26] <confluency> Just learn programming; that's what everyone ends up doing.
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <gremble> Pretty fancy for a homless person
[18:26] <Kilos> he sits on one
[18:26] <magespawn> she, something like that
[18:26] <confluency> (Hodgestar is technically an applied mathematician.)
[18:27] <Kilos> gremble  programs too but prefers not to
[18:27] <gremble> I'm almost technically, but I'm looking for places that uses/hires them so that I can solicit for a bursary
[18:27] <gremble> :P
[18:28] <magespawn> universities usually have departments for that
[18:28]  * inetpro looks at his chair
[18:28] <magespawn> otherwise maybe CSIR?
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> inetpro  see whos here
[18:28] <inetpro> it's all mathematical
[18:29] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and is that the real confluency?
[18:29] <Kilos> yeah
[18:29] <inetpro> hi confluency
[18:29] <confluency> No, it's a cunning forgery made out of cat hair and gum.
[18:29] <inetpro> wb to the new #ubuntu-za
[18:29] <Kilos> now just to drag hodgestar from nairobilug
[18:29] <magespawn> very lifelike
[18:30] <confluency> I try.
[18:30] <magespawn> will the real confluency please stand up
[18:30] <inetpro> lol
[18:31] <inetpro> confluency: how do you like our new site?
[18:31] <Kilos> hi danfowler
[18:31] <confluency> I should probably go to look at it.
[18:31] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:31] <danfowler> heya
[18:31] <confluency> Looks nice.
[18:32] <inetpro> ha that's an understatement
[18:32] <Kilos> inetpro  there is still work to do at the site
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: what you wanna add now?
[18:32] <Kilos> look in trello
[18:32] <Kilos> to do
[18:33] <mazal> lol
[18:33] <mazal> Hou hulle op die tone oom
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <danfowler> thanks
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean the africa site or the za site?
[18:33] <inetpro> danfowler: hi
[18:33] <magespawn> inetpro  it might have been a mistake to show Kilos that tool
[18:33] <Kilos> za man
[18:34] <Kilos> bottom of todo list
[18:34] <Kilos> you want to borrow my glasses
[18:34] <magespawn> lol
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: you want a link in site to see existing za team members?
[18:35] <Kilos> i want to see all our members there in the site not a link
[18:35] <Kilos> that was to get nyou thinking
[18:35] <inetpro> uh
[18:36] <gremble> Where can I find a link to this trello thing. I'm curious now
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <inetpro> gremble: https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[18:36] <Kilos> its a lekker tool
[18:36]  * mazal trello home to-do list shows 100% complete again :)
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: create a page on the wiki
[18:37] <Kilos> well done
[18:37] <Kilos> hmm... why me?
[18:37] <mazal> Kilos, plus I finally have a permanent ubu running at home also
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: you know what you want
[18:37] <mazal> and my gaming rig survived
[18:37] <Kilos> nono man im a delegate now
[18:38] <Kilos> just a list of past and present members and place for more
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: delegate to mazal for a change, he just gave away he has no more to do's
[18:39] <mazal> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> hahaha mazal  dis jou beurt
[18:39] <mazal> That site will never be the same
[18:39] <inetpro> mazal: what is your trello name?
[18:40] <mazal> inetpro, lemme check
[18:41] <mazal> It's either WD or wikusvandyk
[18:41] <mazal> Don't know which one is actually the username
[18:41] <Kilos> man just get the link at the top
[18:41] <inetpro> mazal: the one in brackets
[18:41] <mazal> wikusvandyk
[18:42] <inetpro> cool
[18:42] <Kilos> give the link so we can all fill his todo list
[18:43]  * inetpro added mazal as a member of ubuntu-za
[18:43] <Kilos> confluency  you tried trello?
[18:43] <Kilos> inetpro  you tellim
[18:43] <mazal> Your stuff looks nice guys
[18:44] <Kilos> it has to otherwise the fly sjamboks us
[18:47] <Kilos> wb Private_User
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: remember to use pwd to see the path. remember to learn more about paths
[18:47] <Private_User> thanks
[18:47] <Kilos> it doesnt work anymore
[18:48] <Kilos> i cant even see the za site here anymore sigh
[18:48] <inetpro> Maaz: it doesn't work
[18:48] <Maaz> Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> i see that directories list
[18:49] <Kilos> gave up now
[18:49]  * inetpro is lost
[18:49] <Kilos> maybe i must stick to breaking things
[18:49] <Kilos> the site dont open with gui
[18:49] <confluency> I'm pretty sure I have a Trello account.
[18:50] <Kilos> looks similar to the africa site
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: gui or wui?
[18:50] <Kilos> the thing where i can see whats there
[18:50] <Kilos> the ui thing
[18:51] <inetpro> confluency: what is your trello username?
[18:51] <mazal> lol @ maaz
[18:51] <mazal> I get that all day long , " it doesn't work "
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:52] <Kilos> i broke something and havent been able to figure what
[18:53] <mazal> Maaz can you come work for me please
[18:53] <Kilos> haha
[18:54] <mazal> Hey hang on , I finally asked something maaz doesn't have an answer for :)
[18:57] <Kilos> he will huh you just now
[18:57] <Kilos> or blink at you
[18:57] <Kilos> hes searching archives
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro  chair confirmed
[18:58] <Kilos> dont you read your trello
[18:59] <confluency> Looks like it's adriannapinska.
[18:59] <confluency> I tried to change it, but both confluence and confluency are taken.
[19:01] <inetpro> confluency: hmm, ok... you been added
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: another one to go delegate to :-)
[19:01] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[19:01] <inetpro> confluency: he's the chief now
[19:01] <Kilos> ya he be clever
[19:02] <Kilos> nono
[19:03] <Kilos> dont chase him now
[19:04] <inetpro> confluency: you wanna run away then you better do it now
[19:05] <inetpro> :-)
[19:05] <magespawn> too late
[19:05] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:06] <inetpro> ok, ok, I was only joking
[19:06] <magespawn> hmmm lol
[19:06] <Kilos> oh ya i looked at the vintage sewing machines , we like and use them all the time
[19:07] <Kilos> bernina hostess genome
[19:08] <confluency> inetpro: I didn't say I'd *do* anything. ;)
[19:08] <captine> evening all
[19:08] <Kilos> haha its hard to be here and not get involved confluency
[19:09] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:09] <magespawn> confluency kilos is a little like a force of nature
[19:09] <confluency> Kilos: I like the cast iron Singers.
[19:09] <inetpro> confluency: haha, no choice really, you always been part of the team
[19:09] <Kilos> i saw some beuts there
[19:09] <Kilos> beauts
[19:11] <inetpro> btw, if anyone of you is interested in tackling any items on trello just drag your name onto the relevant card
[19:11] <inetpro> any item(*)
[19:11] <Kilos> ya
[19:12] <inetpro> damn!
[19:12] <inetpro> any item(s)*
[19:13] <inetpro> oh and if you're busy with any item, please drag it to 'Current Activities' as well so others can see
[19:14] <Kilos> wb Neo31
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro  see the numbers
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: grembleis the numbers guy
[19:15] <Kilos> ai! look man
[19:15] <Kilos> 7 more
[19:15]  * inetpro can add 7 very quickly
[19:15] <Kilos> then i retire
[19:15] <Neo31> yo Kilos
[19:15] <Neo31> :)
[19:15] <Neo31> ssup?
[19:15] <inetpro> wb Neo31
[19:16] <Kilos> see how strong we are Neo31
[19:16] <Neo31> thx inetpro
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: -1
[19:16] <Kilos> aw
[19:17] <Neo31> u are talking about what exactly Kilos ?
[19:17] <Kilos> the numbers on this channel Neo31
[19:17] <inetpro> Neo31: he wants to retire when we've reached 50 nicks in the channel
[19:18] <Kilos> sigh
[19:18] <inetpro> only he forgets, it was never part of his contract
[19:18] <Kilos> for the night only inetpro
[19:18] <Neo31> lol inetpro
[19:18] <Neo31> ok i see Kilos
[19:18] <Neo31> good luck :)
[19:18] <Kilos> lol
[19:18] <Neo31> i can connect my phone and some bot maybe
[19:18] <Neo31> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> confluency  they made me work hard these geeks
[19:19] <Neo31> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> check out #ubuntu-africa and read the links in the topic bar
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro  whateve happened to whizzy
[19:29] <captine> anyone here know how to use apt-cacher (setup a 01proxy file on my machine to point to the cache proxy) but allow ppa's to skip the proxy or to include them?  keep getting an error on the ppas
[19:30] <captine> may have answered my own question...
[19:30] <captine> give me a minute
[19:31] <Kilos> keep notes captine  so you can tell the next one that asks
[19:32] <captine> will do.. if i figure it out
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> oi silence
[19:42] <inetpro> is golden
[19:42] <captine> will have to try figure this out later... eish
[19:43] <inetpro> captine: been a long week?
[19:43] <Kilos> ai!
[19:43] <captine> yip
[19:43] <captine> 5 days till daughters due date..
[19:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:43] <inetpro> oi! Good luck captine!
[19:43] <captine> thanks
[19:43] <Kilos> yeah
[19:43] <Kilos> lots and lots
[19:44] <Kilos> you also a ballie like the pro
[19:45] <captine> lol.
[19:46] <captine> will have a 14month boy and a newborn little girl by next weekend, if she agrees with our calendar...
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:47] <Kilos> same like me just a small age diffs
[19:47] <magespaw1> captine it will be the first(in history) and most definately the last if she does
[19:48] <inetpro> he called me a ballie?
[19:48] <inetpro> ai!
[19:48] <Kilos> doesnt everyone go with the caesar thing nowadays
[19:49] <inetpro> wb octoquad
[19:49] <Kilos> just needed to see an ai! goosie
[19:49] <Kilos> wb octoquad
[19:49] <captine> yip
[19:49] <magespaw1> inetpro we are all getting over the hill a bit
[19:50] <captine> magespaw1, our son was a week late... didnt want to breathe the jhb air i guess
[19:50] <inetpro> magespaw1: not me, never
[19:50] <Kilos> haha
[19:50] <magespawn> i didn't even notice that
[19:50]  * inetpro be a newbie all the days
[19:51] <Kilos> oh no
[19:51] <magespawn> can be two things at once
[19:51] <Kilos> newbies arent tired all the time
[19:52] <magespawn> newbies also do not have full famalies
[19:52] <Kilos> ya
[19:52] <magespawn> or experience
[19:52] <Kilos> or the ability to fix it
[19:53] <magespawn> indeed
[19:53] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well , God bless
[19:53] <Kilos> night mazal  ty you too
[19:53] <magespawn> good night mazal
[19:54] <magespawn> so Kilos going to write Linux + exam somewhere in the next two months
[19:55] <Kilos> good luck magespawn
[19:55] <Kilos> study hard
[19:55] <gremble> Oh nice
[19:55] <gremble> Where?
[19:56] <magespawn> i did find out that it is LPIC1 and also allows you to claim Novell certification
[19:56] <magespawn> probable at the Boston Business college in Richards Bay
[19:57] <magespawn> i just oicked up the stufy guide
[19:57] <magespawn> picked up too
[19:57] <Kilos> lol you also tired magespawn
[19:57] <magespawn> study guide might all make more sense
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <magespawn> yup hard week
[19:58] <magespawn> wow i think that those last few lines only really made sense to me
[19:58] <captine> magespawn, so boston colleges to the linux exams?
[19:59] <magespawn> yup they are pearson vue testing centers
[19:59] <magespawn> so comptia but i am not sure about the lpi
[20:01] <Kilos> i wonder what happened to theblazehen
[20:01] <Kilos> Maaz  seen theblazehen
[20:01] <Maaz> Kilos: theblazehen was last seen 1 month, 4 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes and 51 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-17 07:35:18 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-02-12 03:35:30 PST
[20:01] <Kilos> theblazehen  ping
[20:02] <captine> ok.  going to sleep.  night all.  will look at the trello site on Sat or Sun
[20:02] <Kilos> night captine
[20:02] <Kilos> ill be here
[20:02] <captine> i would expect nothing else...
[20:02] <magespawn> captine: good night
[20:02] <captine> :)
[20:03] <Kilos> lol
[20:03] <magespawn> that is me for tonight as well, good night all
[20:03] <Kilos> night magespawn
[20:03] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:04] <inetpro> uh, good night magespawn
[20:10] <kulelu88> new folks here
[20:11] <Kilos> yeah
[20:11] <Kilos> danfowler  tell us a bit about yourself
[20:12] <Kilos> like where you are and what you do etc
[20:13] <Kilos> iceland is rather cold
[20:39] <inetpro> ok Kilos, what you so busy with?
[20:39] <Kilos> sometimes i sits and thinks, other times i just sits
[20:39] <Kilos> just sitting now
[20:39] <inetpro> ai!
[20:40] <Kilos> just looked whats new in trello
[20:42] <Kilos> haha
[20:43] <inetpro> mooi!
[20:43]  * inetpro likes it when the list is shrinking
[20:43] <Kilos> hehe
[20:44] <inetpro> superfly: have you registered a site for Kilos yet?
[20:44] <superfly> inetpro: negatory
[20:44] <Kilos> hes busy inetpro
[20:44] <inetpro> Kilos: he's busy with what?
[20:44] <Kilos> working
[20:45] <Kilos> not gaming im sure
[20:45] <inetpro> I just see him sitting here and doing nothing
[20:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:45] <inetpro> no output, zero, zulsh, lutho, niks
[20:46] <Kilos> did you arrange for that troll to attack me?
[20:46]  * inetpro ducks and hides in the corner
[20:46] <Kilos> lol
[20:46] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[20:46]  * inetpro is onskuldig
[20:46] <Kilos> ok
[20:46] <inetpro> soos altyd
[20:47] <Kilos> was weird
[20:47] <inetpro> you really worry about that nonsens?
[20:47] <Kilos> i thought someone was just trying to break my cool at first
[20:47] <inetpro> ai!
[20:47] <Kilos> ruffle my feathers
[20:48] <inetpro> shake it off and move on
[20:48] <Kilos> i have man
[20:49] <Kilos> it was really stupid because now the whole of freenode knows about him
[20:50] <inetpro> hehe, a quick way to become famous?
[20:51] <Kilos> stupid imo
[20:51] <inetpro> by grembies
[20:51] <Kilos> lol
[20:52] <Kilos> Maaz  tell gremble You are supposed to say goodnight before leaving
[20:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell gremble on freenode
[20:52] <Kilos> hehe
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: so what events are you planning to arrange this year?
[20:53] <Kilos> ai!
[20:53] <Kilos> oh ya im the delegate
[20:53] <Kilos> inetpro  so what events are you planning to arrange this year?
[20:53] <inetpro> uh
[20:53] <Kilos> lol i love copy/pasting
[20:54] <inetpro> what type of events can one arrange even
[20:54] <inetpro> ?
[20:54] <Kilos> well have first meeting soo on africa
[20:55] <Kilos> that will have to be done by clever peeps
[20:55] <Kilos> i miss maia she was a lifewire here
[20:59] <inetpro> Events: Ubuntu Global Jam, Ubuntu Hour, Installfest
[20:59] <Kilos> ya but no one has the time anymore
[20:59] <inetpro> Ubuntu Developer Summit
[21:00] <inetpro> Release Parties
[21:00] <Kilos> i still have to try sort my ubuntu email addy thing
[21:00] <inetpro> SoftwareFreedomDay
[21:00] <Kilos> all that stuff i cant attend
[21:03] <Kilos> lol you so cheeky you know
[21:04] <Kilos> what are you doing?
[21:04] <Kilos> no output, zero, zulsh, lutho, niks
[21:05]  * Kilos ducks
[21:05] <Kilos> zilch
[21:07] <inetpro> Kilos: have you not seen the activity on Trello?
[21:07] <Kilos> by me ya
[21:08] <inetpro> look under the Menu
[21:09] <Kilos> oh
[21:09] <Kilos> i need to learn more about how those things get done
[21:11] <Kilos> how do you archive stuffs
[21:12] <inetpro> click on the little pen on a card, top right
[21:13] <Kilos> aha ty i dont see a pen there
[21:14] <inetpro> you don't or you didn't?
[21:14] <Kilos> i see a circle with a spot in
[21:15] <Kilos> very faint too
[21:15] <inetpro> ai!
[21:16] <Kilos> oh i just saw a pen popup when mouse hovers there
[21:16] <inetpro> nou verstaan jy!
[21:17] <Kilos> ja dankie
[21:17] <Kilos> i sommer archived a whole bunch
[21:18]  * inetpro noticed
[21:18] <Kilos> that circle at the top right does them all at once but i first moved one out, archived others then moved it back
[21:19] <Kilos> im sad about ibid. no one has the time to rewrite it in python 3
[21:19] <inetpro> patience!
[21:22] <Kilos> i can only be patient when sleeping
[21:22] <inetpro> good idea
[21:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:22] <inetpro> good night
[21:22] <Kilos> superfly  get some rest
[21:23] <Kilos> night my goosie