[00:25] <Elleo> kenvandine: approved that MR
[01:06] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx
[08:18] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <dholbach> Mirv, can you let me know how I roll back to an older version of the image?
[08:18] <dholbach> or anyone else?
[08:19] <dholbach> ah no, Joey Chan just replied
[08:24] <Mirv> dholbach: ok. one can flash. if you're on #141, you can just apt upgrade too now.
[08:25] <dholbach> yep, Joey gave me the exact command line bits I needed to enter
[08:25] <brogrammer> everytime I try "apt-get install openjdk" there comes an error message...
[08:28] <brogrammer> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[08:57] <seb128> Cimi, hey, can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/blacklist-gnome-boxes/+merge/251566 ?
[09:06] <aki237> I have a Moto G XT1033 running lollipop 5.0.2. I have followed all the instructions to flash ubuntu in my device given in the XDADevelopers page. but i doesnt boot and it just stops at a blank black screen....And Lollipop stock rom has 4 System images namely "system.imgsparsechunk0 and1,2,3"......What should I do?
[09:34] <aki237>  I have a Moto G XT1033 running lollipop 5.0.2. I have followed all the instructions to flash ubuntu in my device given in the XDADevelopers page. but i doesnt boot and it just stops at a blank black screen....And Lollipop stock rom has 4 System images namely "system.imgsparsechunk0 and1,2,3"......What should I do?
[09:43] <aki237>  I have a Moto G XT1033 running lollipop 5.0.2. I have followed all the instructions to flash ubuntu in my device given in the XDADevelopers page. but i doesnt boot and it just stops at a blank black screen....And Lollipop stock rom has 4 System images namely "system.imgsparsechunk0 and1,2,3"......What should I do?
[09:44] <k1l> aki237: well, did you try to talk to the guy who did the ubuntu-touch port for that device?
[09:45] <aki237> no
[09:51] <Cimi> seb128, ok
[09:51] <seb128> Cimi, too late but thanks
[09:52] <Cimi> seb128, had wifi issues :/
[10:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Caramel Day! :-D
[11:37] <jivin> hello
[11:37] <jivin> One question
[11:38] <jivin> Does App "MediaPlayer" on touch use Android MediaCodec?
[11:45] <davmor2> jivin: no, gstreamer iirc, why?
[11:46] <davmor2> jivin: might use the hardware acceleration drivers not sure on that though
[12:03] <svij> can anyone tell me, where I can find the Tab-key on the keyboard? using the terminal without a tab is a bit annoying
[12:03] <popey> tap the screen
[12:04] <svij> popey: oh lol, thx
[12:37] <simosx> I am trying to upload an app created with the webapp-generator. When submitting the app, I get the error "The uploaded package name (realmobilegr-jwe.simosx) does not use your namespace (None)".
[12:37] <simosx> In my dev account details, the namespace is "simosx" (instead of Empty/None).
[12:37] <ogra_> beuno, ^^^
[12:38] <ogra_> could be the dash in the package name ... (not sure, just guessing)
[12:38] <beuno> hm
[12:39] <beuno> simosx, can you try something for me, before I go in to debug?
[12:39] <beuno> go to your account page again
[12:39] <popey> the dash is fine, i have an app with a dash
[12:39] <beuno> and just hit "update my account"
[12:39] <simosx> hmm, it appears that "simosx" in the dev settings was taken or something. Changed it to "simos" and appears OK (green).
[12:39] <beuno> and try to upload again
[12:39] <beuno> ah
[12:39] <beuno> there we go
[12:39] <ogra_> popey, ah, good to know
[12:39] <beuno> ogra_, we fixed that!  :)
[12:39] <popey> that sounds unlikely - two people with simosx?
[12:40] <ogra_> beuno, i know it was fixed for version numbers ... never used a dash in package names though
[12:40] <simosx> probably some issue. I changed back to "simosx" and it was now accepted. Will try to upload the app to see if it makes a difference.
[12:40] <popey> yay
[12:41] <popey> eek, need to recalibrate my graph! http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png
[12:43] <simosx> now it worked. app was uploaded.
[12:44] <beuno> ogra_, we fixed all the things
[12:44] <ogra_> haha, k :)
[12:44] <beuno> popey, it's trying to escape!
[12:44] <popey> hah
[12:45] <ogra_> why re-calibrate the graph ...
[12:45] <ogra_> just limit the number of apps in the store to 1000 ... done
[12:45] <ogra_> you guys always look for the complicated solution ...
[12:47] <jgdx> anyone seeing a black screen when trying to unlock a mako running latest vivid?
[12:55] <om26er> artmello, Hi!
[12:55] <om26er> artmello, re: fix for 1425563 I still see some flicker when app goes fullscreen
[12:56] <om26er> i do have the click installed
[12:59] <artmello> om26er: Yes, there are still some flicking related with the header hiding. We will neither further investigation with sdk guys on that
[13:00] <om26er> artmello, ok, just wanted to make sure it was known. Your fix does reduce the flickering
[13:01] <artmello> om26er: sure, thx
[13:03] <om26er> artmello, re: this https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-photo-editor/+merge/243243
[13:04] <om26er> artmello, it says we are using photo editor from ui-toolkit-extras, I would expect code deletions to be much more than additions ?
[13:06] <artmello> om26er: unfortunately, right now, we cannot make sure that the user will have the correct version of extras before he updates gallery (ie. from click store). If that happens the user will not be able to edit any photo. So basically we have a local version of the editor on gallery in case the extras is not updated/not present
[13:07] <om26er> uh
[13:09] <om26er> artmello, the CI spreadsheet does not mention the TestPlan to run, probably something to add to the sheet
[13:13] <artmello> om26er: I will update the TestPlan
[13:44] <om26er> artmello, with the fix for flickering, I am noticing some oddity when playing with albums
[13:44] <om26er> artmello, some part of the album goes under the header
[13:46] <artmello> om26er: ok, how do you reproduce the issue?
[13:47] <om26er> artmello, create a new album, click on it
[13:47] <om26er> artmello, http://i.imgur.com/SGDOvyD.png
[13:47] <om26er> http://i.imgur.com/q1JA21x.png
[13:53] <artmello> om26er: I am taking a look
[14:00] <Anon287> Hello. I have a question about using non-Canonical system-image servers: Is the server used only for first time installation or do all OTA updates get downloaded through this server too?
[14:01] <Anon287> I ask because I'm interested in getting an N7, I've come across an N7+LTE (Deb, rather than Flo) but that means I cannot use Canonical's system-image server, instead I have to use Vojtech Bocek's server here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[14:01] <dobey> Anon287: the OTAs would come through it too
[14:02] <Anon287> I'm concerned that if this user (unlikely as it may seem) took down the server I would no longer get updates for the N7.
[14:02] <Anon287> Ah, okay... So if I want 'official' builds I need to get a non-LTE N7 (Flo).
[14:02] <dobey> yes, if the server (or the images for that device) were taken down, you would no longer get updates for it from that server
[14:03] <dobey> the canonical server has stopped providing images for certain devices before as well
[14:03] <Anon287> Okay, great. Although a shame (because it seemed like a good price) I think I'll hold out and get a Flo. I'd rather grab Canonical's images.
[14:03] <dobey> ie, groupe and maguro no longer have images avaialble
[14:04] <Anon287> Sure, but I guess N7 is a safe bet for a while yet (and hopefully by that time an official tablet will be available)
[14:04] <Anon287> I guess you cannot flash Flo onto Deb and just not get the cellular functionality? That'd be an okay compromise...
[14:04] <Anon287> I guess not though.
[14:04] <dobey> well the deb builds are probably not likely to stop building, unless flo goes away too
[14:05] <dobey> the deb images follow the flo images
[14:05] <dobey> i don't know if all the hardware on deb works the same as flo though
[14:05] <Anon287> Sure but there is a total reliance on one guy for Deb builds, right?
[14:07] <dobey> not really. more like reliance on some python scripts. as long as nothing breaks and the server bill is payed, i guess he doesn't actually have to do anything
[14:07] <dobey> and he hangs out in here
[14:07] <dobey> and he maintains the MultiROM app which many people use for dual booting android and ubuntu
[14:09] <Anon287> Okay. thanks for the heads up. Now really confused whether to grab the Deb or wait for a Flo to come along :P Decisions! :)
[14:12] <adrian47> E/HAL     ( 1717): dlopen failed: could not load library "libcamerapp.so" needed by "camera.vendor.msm7x30.so"; caused by cannot locate symbol "_ZN7android10VectorImpl19reservedVectorImpl1Ev" referenced by "libcamerapp.so"...
[14:12] <adrian47> Someone have some idea about it?
[14:13] <adrian47> P.S. Hello :)
[14:14] <adrian47> 'about that'* (?)
[14:15] <om26er> artmello, I'll move the silo to failed section and then once we have the fix and silo rebuilt I guess we will have a new card in trello.
[14:15] <om26er> what you say ?
[14:23] <artmello> om26er: ok, if it has a problem makes sense. I am still trying to find out what is wrong since that was tested
[14:39] <barry> what's the last known good revision (before the latest one) in ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed?
[14:40] <barry> i'm testing upgrades so i need a known good older revision to upgrade to the latest one
[14:46] <dobey> barry: for mako?
[14:46] <barry> dobey: krillin
[14:47] <dobey> ah, no idea :)
[14:49] <barry> while still_bricked: i -= 1
[14:50] <Anon287> What device is Krillin?
[14:50] <Isotop7> bq aquaris
[14:51] <Anon287> oh okay :)
[14:51] <Anon287> Thank you
[15:07] <om26er> boiko, Hi!
[15:09] <jgdx> awe_, cyphermox, would wpa_supplican! need something special to create a secure ap on mako? I can't seem to get it to work. Getting http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10627959/ — even when I blanket OK all wpa_supplicant interfaces in the dbus policy.
[15:10] <awe_> jgdx, not sure... I can look into this, but let's discuss during tomorrow's system settings mtg
[15:10] <jgdx> aaa right
[15:10] <balloons> ping tedg. can you tell me if the url dispatcher still has temporary hardcoded urls in it? See the bottom of this page: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/url-dispatcher-guide/.
[15:12] <cyphermox> jgdx: no, nothing special. but you also shouldn't create the AP using the supplicant directly, you should go through NM
[15:12] <brendand> tedg, can you join #ubuntu-quality?
[15:12] <jgdx> cyphermox, we're not touching wpa, except to set the driver on hybris devices.
[15:13] <jgdx> cyphermox, but wpa is the one complaining when trying to connect to the AP, as well as lock up for some reason.
[15:14] <cyphermox> it would help then if you explain what you mean by complaining and locking up... like debug logs
[15:19] <jgdx> complaining is the one above ( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10627959/ ) and locking up is [1] ad nauseam [1] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10628171/
[15:21] <jgdx> cyphermox, ^
[15:25] <cyphermox> jgdx: sounds like driver issues
[15:27] <kenvandine> Elleo, can you test silo 28 after it finishes building?
[15:29] <jgdx> cyphermox, uh oh
[15:30] <Elleo> kenvandine: sure
[16:00] <rvr> popey: Hey, quick question. A friend of mine is testing my bq phone (don't ship here, asked him to receive the package and resend). He wonders why we don't ship a native email client, do you know why Dekko is not installed by default?
[16:01] <popey> rvr: because it's not finished :)
[16:03] <rvr> popey: Does it mean it is in the roadmap? :)
[16:03] <popey> rvr: we're constantly re-evaluating apps that are in the image
[16:05] <rvr> popey wins 10 points for "politically correct" answers ;)
[16:06] <popey> haha
[16:09] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, hey, I’m gonna need a packaging review for https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/bottom-edge/+merge/248019 (changes to debian/control are rather trivial but I’ll an ack for landing anyway)
[16:09] <oSoMoN> would you have a moment to do that sometime today?
[16:11] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sure
[16:11] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[16:13] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, done
[16:13] <kenvandine> that was easy :)
[16:15] <ogra_> kenvandine, oSoMoN can you pretty please make sure to mention dependency changes in the commit message or changelog (whatever you use)
[16:16] <oSoMoN> ogra_, sure, updating the commit message now
[16:16] <ogra_> thx :)
[16:25] <Elleo> kenvandine: tested that silo, all looks good to me
[16:27] <peat-psuwit> What should happen if something calls AudioSystem::setParameters in libmedia? libmedia tries to talk with AudioFlinger, make it wait forever.
[16:30] <kenvandine> Elleo, cool, can you mark it on the spreadsheet?  line 6
[16:30] <kenvandine> line 66
[16:35] <Elleo> kenvandine: ah, I don't seem to have edit access on the spreadsheet
[16:35] <kenvandine> oh... ok
[16:35] <kenvandine> what image did you test with?
[16:35] <Elleo> #142
[16:35] <Elleo> on mako
[16:36] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx
[16:36] <Elleo> no problem
[16:44] <boiko> hi om26er
[16:44] <om26er> boiko, hey
[16:44] <om26er> boiko, in dialer-app dialing a key quickly 3 times only produces sound twice.
[16:44] <boiko> om26er: there is a bug reported for it already, it is a problem in the tone generator
[16:44] <boiko> om26er: let me find it
[16:53] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, do you remember my question about the voice flow?
[17:00] <AskUbuntu_> Ubuntu Touch (of Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition) freezes when booting up | http://askubuntu.com/q/598797
[17:00] <AskUbuntu_> How to import Contacts form Sim Card to Ubuntu Phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/598801
[17:01] <adrian47> How can I run shell script automatically when poweroff was pressed?
[17:06] <adrian47> Or in another way before device powering off
[17:06] <popey> bfiller: do we have an ETA on SIM contacts import? (see above askubuntu question)
[17:07] <Isotop7> i dont know if this works on the ubuntu touch images but you could write a init script...
[17:15] <dobey> popey: ah, i just answered it. afaik, rtm is only going to get critical/mfg bug fixes, but it's in vivid already. and hopefully vivid will become stable enough to update everyone to soon
[17:46] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: the one I replied, yep
[17:46] <rsalveti> not sure if you asked me another one
[17:48] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, In Ubuntu, pulseaudio notify hardware to let voice flow to speaker. What's doing the same on Android? AudioFlinger?
[17:49] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: yeah
[17:50] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, Then, who notify AudioFlinger?
[17:59] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: don't remember exactly, would need to dive the codebase, but I think they have some sort of telephony manager
[17:59] <rsalveti> that gets the notification that the call is active
[17:59] <rsalveti> and then requests audioflinger to change the audio mode to call mode
[18:00] <rsalveti> that ends up affecting the hal, similar to the way we do with pulseaudio
[18:04] <kenvandine> renatu, bfiller: i proposed a branch for address-book-app that properly quits when the app is killed, so your destructors will get called
[18:04] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, How rild may involve in this process? On my device, I see that rild calls AudioFlinger (via libmedia). Don't know what it may do.
[18:05] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: there are 2 pieces for rild, the low level layer (daemon), and the java telephony stack that implements the rild protocol
[18:05] <rsalveti> the java layer is the one doing that work
[18:08] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, No, I means daemon, because it also happens on my port of Ubuntu Touch too. It makes rild (daemon) somewhat hang because it's waiting to connect with AudioFlinger.
[18:09] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: oh, if that is indeed true, then it's a massive hack
[18:10] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: what do you get on logcat?
[18:10] <rsalveti> as root, /system/bin/logcat
[18:10] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: at least even for the low level daemon, there are 2 pieces
[18:10] <rsalveti> the low level library (closed source binary)
[18:11] <rsalveti> and the open one, that loads the closed source binary
[18:19] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, I/ServiceManager( 1001): Waiting for service media.audio_flinger...
[18:19] <peat-psuwit> W/AudioSystem( 1001): AudioFlinger not published, waiting...
[18:20] <peat-psuwit> 1001 is pid of rild. They repeat a few times.
[18:22] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: do you have any source code for that piece specifically?
[18:23] <rsalveti> rild shouldn't be talking with audioflinger at all
[18:23] <rsalveti> but the problem is that people end up doing all sort of hacks on android
[18:24] <cwayne> Tassadar, did you follow a guide to get your s-i server setup?
[18:24] <cwayne> and/or do you have any notes?
[18:24] <Tassadar> I did, but had to do bunch of extra things, and I do not have any notes
[18:25] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, I'm afraid not.
[18:25] <Tassadar> I'm suing my fort too - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vbocek/+junk/system-image-server-tasemnice/revision/225 has support for pathing of rootfs tars (for hammerhead) and can sync version numbers with anoter s-i server
[18:25] <Tassadar> *fork
[18:25] <Tassadar> *using
[18:26] <Tassadar> *patching
[18:26] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: otherwise we'd need to have mock service for audioflinger
[18:26] <Tassadar> *another
[18:26] <Tassadar> wow, I'm bad at typing
[18:26] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, It's Qualcom's qcril. Maybe Qualcom have released some of code around?
[18:27] <rsalveti> for the interfaces used by rild
[18:27] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: could be, yeah
[18:29] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti, I think it use setParameters, because I see that on the radio logcat on Android.
[18:49] <cwayne> rsalveti, whats the best way to debug missing wifi on a new port?
[18:49] <rsalveti> cwayne: first check if you have a wireless device
[18:50] <rsalveti> cwayne: if not, then we need to check if the kernel failed to load the firmware and so on
[18:50] <rsalveti> usually the output of ifconfig -a and dmesg already helps quite a bit
[18:51] <cwayne> looks like no wireless device
[18:53] <cwayne> so what am I checking for in dmesg?
[19:04] <cwayne> rsalveti, if youre interested, dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10629349/
[19:04]  * rsalveti checks
[19:04] <rsalveti> cwayne: which device?
[19:05] <cwayne> rsalveti, oneplus, using mariogrips build
[19:07] <rsalveti> cwayne: not much indeed
[19:07] <rsalveti> [    1.071421] wcnss_wlan probed in built-in mode
[19:08] <rsalveti> that is probably the wifi driver you have
[19:08] <rsalveti> now would need the kernel source to actually see why that didn't actually loaded anything
[19:09] <cwayne> rsalveti, should be here: https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one
[19:10] <rsalveti> hm, need a beer
[19:10] <rsalveti> qcom_conn_init
[19:11] <rsalveti> wonder if that also helps
[19:11] <cwayne> what, beer? :P
[19:11] <rsalveti> trying to remember the hacks we did with other qcom devices to have a working wireless
[19:11] <rsalveti> always
[19:12] <rsalveti> cwayne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10629420/
[19:13] <Anon2938> Hi. Can anybody point me at any efforts to port Ubuntu Touch to Nexus 9? I assumed there would be work on it but I've searched and cannot find anything...
[19:13] <rsalveti> cwayne: see if you have /sys/devices/platform/wcnss_wlan, or something like that
[19:14] <rsalveti> so, how it works on flo:
[19:14] <cwayne> hm, dont have that
[19:15] <rsalveti> cwayne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10629436/
[19:16] <rsalveti> cwayne: as part of the android init script for flo there is a service called wcnss_init
[19:16] <rsalveti> and that service is just a script, that calls /system/bin/conn_init
[19:16] <rsalveti> and echo 1 > /dev/wcnss_wlan
[19:16] <rsalveti> then my other init_wlan.sh script makes it to load the firmware
[19:17] <rsalveti> echo sta > /sys/module/wlan/parameters/fwpath
[19:17] <rsalveti> you can get the android console by calling lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[19:17] <rsalveti> then from there you can call conn_init (as that's a binary from android)
[19:17] <rsalveti> https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/qcom_conn_init
[19:18] <rsalveti> it seems the maintainer was trying to get that to work somwhoe
[19:18] <cwayne> 127|root@bacon:/ # conn_init
[19:18] <cwayne> system/bin/sh: conn_init: not found
[19:18] <rsalveti> full path makes any difference?
[19:18] <rsalveti> maybe that binary wasn't installed by the build
[19:19] <rsalveti> oh, he had that, but removed
[19:19] <rsalveti> https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/android_device_oneplus_bacon/commit/43c904a8c0f92f2e9055815ce7c2b1cd04ca5bb4
[19:20] <rsalveti> but he actually included as a build requirement
[19:20] <rsalveti>  /system/bin/wcnss_service needs to run as well
[19:20] <Talustus> hello :)
[19:22] <cwayne> yeah, seem to not be in the build
[19:25] <rsalveti> cwayne: how maintains that port?
[19:25] <rsalveti> I can easily help if I find the guy
[19:26] <cwayne> he seems not online atm but mariogrip
[19:30] <cwayne> hm, i cant seem to do the reverse tethering via ppp either :/
[19:35] <cwayne> got a build running now at least :)
[19:37] <rsalveti> cwayne: just ask him to ping me if he needs any help
[19:37] <cwayne> yeah, ill try and find him
[19:37] <cwayne> id love to get this port working well
[19:46] <strahtw> Does anyone know if the Ubuntu SDK is running also on XUbuntu or LUbuntu?
[19:46] <strahtw>  I know its not running on my actual OS (!#). But my machine isn't fast enough for actual Ubuntu
[20:00] <dobey> strahtw: it should run on them just fine, yes
[20:01] <strahtw> okay, thx ;) So will change OS on weekend and try to install.
[20:53] <cwayne> mariogrip, hey!
[20:54] <cwayne> mariogrip, got your port booted on my OPO, was just talking to rsalveti about what to do re: wifi
[20:56] <Tassadar> would you want to add opo builds to my s-i server?
[20:59] <cwayne> thatd be pretty excellent
[21:00] <Tassadar> how do you build it now? How about adding it's device tree to https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com , like hammerhead is, I'm pretty sure it'd would be possible if you ponder the right people
[21:01] <cwayne> Tassadar, youd have to ask mariogrip, my guess is its not quite ready yet
[21:01] <Tassadar> only issue is my VPS is pretty tight on disk space, would have to buy a higher tier
[21:02] <cwayne> Tassadar, i'd be happy to help pay, I've been using your s-i for my hammerhead for awhile
[21:03] <Tassadar> it's fine for now, the payment is around christmas each year and it gets covered by multirom donations, mostly. Just saying that I'd happily add opo to my s-i server once it is ready if you want to
[21:09] <Tassadar> heh, thank god the traffic on that VPS is unlimited, it has uploaded over 1TB over past 19 days
[21:10] <cwayne> whoa
[21:11] <Tassadar> http://tasemnice.eu/mrtg/<IP_ADDRESS>_eth0.html , doesn't show how much data it transfered but you can see the average upload (1TB is in ifconfig)
[21:12] <cwayne> jeeze
[21:12] <cwayne> aaaaaaaand now my OPO wont boot at all
[21:37] <Letozaf_> Hi guys I have found a problem when trying to submit an application to the app store that has been created with https://developer.ubuntu.com/webapp-generator/
[21:38] <Letozaf_> I get this error: "The package name planetubuntu-itorg-tfu cannot be more than 20 characters."
[21:39] <Letozaf_> but the apps name when creating the webapp package was "Planet Ubuntu-it" is that too long ?
[21:40] <mariogrip> cwayne, Hey
[21:45] <cwayne> mariogrip, heya, was just trying to figure out how I could help get wifi working
[21:45] <cwayne> though now I've got that fun thing where my opo won't boot even to fastboot or recovery
[21:46] <bala> frameworks/base/include/android_runtime/AndroidRuntime.h:29:30: fatal error: nativehelper/jni.h: No such file or directory
[21:46] <bala> compilation terminated.
[21:50] <mariogrip> cwayne, you cannot boot into fastboot mode? :O
[21:53] <mariogrip> cwayne, about wifi, some ideas?
[21:53] <cwayne> mariogrip, i was gonna point you to rsalveti, he said he'd be able to help
[21:54] <cwayne> rsalveti, ^ :)
[21:56] <mariogrip> cwayne, what i have found out yet (i have been sick this week, so i haven't done much), but i switched to conn_init and found it missing .mdt files
[22:03] <cwayne> mariogrip, so it wouldn't build?
[22:04] <cwayne> mariogrip, hm, I can't get the image to build at all: ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../..//include/ubuntu/application/instance.h:28:44: fatal error: mir_toolkit/mir_client_library.h: No such file or directory
[22:04] <cwayne> compilation terminated.
[22:05] <cwayne> \o/ finally got phone to boot at least
[22:06] <mariogrip> it will build, but wcnss is missing wcnss.mdt
[22:07] <mariogrip> wcnss.mdt is just a link file,
[22:11] <cwayne> mariogrip, hm, I've got it from when I did a CM build of bacon
[22:15] <mariogrip> yeah, i tried that, but it seems like the link does not direct it to the correct place, or that fstab is not mounting firmware correctly
[22:15] <mariogrip> humm, /firmware seems to be empty
[22:16] <cwayne> mariogrip, not sure if this is relevant:
 cwayne: as part of the android init script for flo there is a service called wcnss_init
[22:16] <cwayne> * brendand<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-touch
 and that service is just a script, that calls /system/bin/conn_init
 and echo 1 > /dev/wcnss_wlan
 then my other init_wlan.sh script makes it to load the firmware
 echo sta > /sys/module/wlan/parameters/fwpath
 you can get the android console by calling lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[22:18] <mariogrip> https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/android_device_oneplus_bacon/tree/v4.4/configs-ubuntu
[22:18] <mariogrip> i made some scripts
[22:21] <cwayne> ah hm, that looks pretty much the same
[22:21] <cwayne> hmm
[22:24] <cwayne> ondra, ^ any ideas?
[22:28] <mariogrip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10630412/
[22:29] <mariogrip> this is better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10630428/
[22:30] <mariogrip> [   31.148635] pil_pronto fb21b000.qcom,pronto: wcnss: Failed to locate wcnss.mdt
[22:30] <mariogrip> [   31.148720] wcnss_notifier_cb: sysmon_send_event error -19
[22:30] <mariogrip> [   31.148767] wcnss_wlan fb000000.qcom,wcnss-wlan: Peripheral Loader failed on WCNSS.
[22:33] <cwayne> mariogrip, and its not in /firmware/image?
[22:34] <mariogrip> there is not any files or folders inside frimware
[22:34] <mariogrip> firm*
[22:38] <mariogrip> ah, i see fstab is trying to mount /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem
[22:38] <mariogrip> but that does not exist
[22:39] <mariogrip> wait, it does exist inside lxc
[22:42] <mariogrip> but, firmware is not mounted in lxc
[22:52] <cwayne> Tassadar, did you have any issues with wcnss on deb?
[22:52] <cwayne> or are you just using the flo image basically
[22:53] <Tassadar> I'm building it from source, and with nexus devices, google prepares packages with proprietary binaries that go to vendor/ in android tree and they contain, among other things, fw for that wcnss thing
[22:54] <Tassadar> ask some ROM builders how do they do it with opo, might have to just extract them from a stock ROM
[22:55] <mariogrip> opo i think make .mdt files in Android.mk, but for some reason it does not work, i just added the files manually
[22:56] <Tassadar> it's kinda messy, because you can't really redistribute those files according to the license
[22:57] <mariogrip> the .mdt files is just link files
[22:57] <Tassadar> well they are obviously not supposed to be :)
[22:58] <mariogrip> :O they are like that in android
[22:58] <Tassadar> well they link somewhere
[22:58] <Tassadar> *point
[22:58] <mariogrip> point to a file in /firmware
[22:58] <cwayne> hm, its not in the list of files that's pulled with extract-files.sh
[22:59] <mariogrip> but /firmware is empty
[22:59] <Tassadar> oh, then just mount /dev/block/platform/*somethingIdon'tRemember/by-name/modem to /firmware
[22:59] <Tassadar> some of the fw files are on special partition, it is different for each device
[22:59] <mariogrip> yeah, fstab does that
[22:59] <Tassadar> then what's the problem, it's not /firmware on ubuntu or what?
[23:00] <mariogrip> /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem        /firmware       vfat    ro,shortname=lower,uid=1000,gid=1026,dmask=227,fmask=337,context=u:object_r:firmware_file:s0        wait
[23:00] <Tassadar> or it won't mount it?
[23:00] <Tassadar> might have to remove the "context=..." mount flag, since ubuntu kernels don't have SELinux
[23:01] <mariogrip> i will give that a try
[23:01] <Tassadar> well is it mounted or not? and it would print out error in dmesg if that were the problem
[23:02] <Tassadar> *should
[23:02] <mariogrip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10630428/   btw, i have to get to sleep, i have work tomorrow :P
[23:03] <mariogrip> i cannot find any errors
[23:03] <cwayne> FWIW on flo it's in /system/vendor/firmware/wcnss.mdt
[23:04] <Tassadar> yeah, it doesn't have it on that partition, but it has different firmware files on there
[23:04] <Tassadar> looks like it was mounted just fine
[23:04] <mariogrip> but, why is it empty then?
[23:04] <Tassadar> you could use lxc-console ...some parameters I don't remember... to get to that android container and check there
[23:05] <cwayne> sudo lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[23:05] <Tassadar> yeah, that
[23:05] <mariogrip> yeah, but there is no /firmware there
[23:05] <Tassadar> is it in ubuntu root?
[23:05] <mariogrip> yeah
[23:05] <mariogrip> but not in lxc
[23:05] <Tassadar> what does mount say? is it mounted there?
[23:07] <mariogrip> I have rebooted my phone back to android, i will try more tomorrow.
[23:07] <Tassadar> finding what exactly loads the firmware could be useful too, if it is the kernel then it needs to be in /firmware, if it is via android's init, then you have to make it mounted to /firmware in that android container
[23:07] <Tassadar> yeah, I'm going to bed too
[23:08] <mariogrip>  it late here in norway :P
[23:08] <Tassadar> it's midnight here
[23:09] <mariogrip> yeah, i will try to find that out, but i do think it's the fstab file, because if i removes that, it doses not show up
[23:11] <cwayne> I'll keep poking (although I still can't even get it to build :P)
[23:11]  * rsalveti waves
[23:12] <rsalveti> cwayne: current build is broken
[23:12] <rsalveti> cwayne: we're fixing that, latest platform-api landing broke all the builds
[23:12] <cwayne> rsalveti, ah, okay
[23:12] <cwayne> i vaguely remembered that
[23:13] <cwayne> rsalveti, so as for our wifi issue, if you wanna read scrollback, it's failing at pil_pronto fb21b000.qcom,pronto: wcnss: Failed to locate wcnss.mdt
[23:14] <rsalveti> cwayne: right, just need to find out who provides that
[23:15] <cwayne> yea
[23:15] <rsalveti> cwayne: because there are usually 2 issues, one is that the path for the firmware directory is usually wrong, as that's pointing out for the android path
[23:15] <rsalveti> and the other is actually making that file available in the ubuntu side
[23:15] <cwayne> makes sense
[23:16] <rsalveti> it's common for a few devices for us to change '/etc/firmware/foobar' into '/system/etc/firmware/foobar' in order to get it to work (in the kernel code)
[23:17] <cwayne> i see
[23:17] <rsalveti>  vendor/sony/rhine-common/proprietary/etc/firmware/wcnss.mdt
[23:17] <rsalveti> cwayne: for one sony device using the same chipset
[23:18] <rsalveti> system/etc/firmware/wcnss.mdt
[23:18] <rsalveti> cwayne: can you check if you have something under /system/etc/firmware ?
[23:18] <DonkeyHotei> anyone know what causes the power mgmt problems on hammerhead?
[23:18] <cwayne> rsalveti, i've got some stuff, but not the wcnss
[23:19] <rsalveti> cwayne: the device git repository should have something
[23:19] <rsalveti> unless it's under vendor
[23:19] <cwayne> although I do have system/etc/firmware/wlan/prima/WCNSS_CFG.dat
[23:19] <rsalveti> right, that's one thing
[23:21] <cwayne> rsalveti, https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/android_device_oneplus_bacon/blob/v4.4/Android.mk starting at line 53 maybe
[23:22] <rsalveti> cwayne: yeah, that would be /system/etc/firmware
[23:22] <cwayne> hm, wonder why its not there then
[23:22] <rsalveti> guess the files are just missing from this repo
[23:22] <rsalveti> let me check the CM one
[23:23] <rsalveti> oh, sorry
[23:23] <rsalveti> yeah, it's under /firmware/image
[23:23] <rsalveti> that is just a logic to add a syslink
[23:24] <rsalveti> now what is this /firmware, probably a partition
[23:24] <rsalveti> /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem /firmware vfat ro,shortname=lower,uid=1000,gid=1026,dmask=227,fmask=337,context=u:object_r:firmware_file:s0 wait
[23:24] <rsalveti> yeah
[23:24] <rsalveti> cwayne: try mounting that by hand
[23:25] <rsalveti> in theory we have a logic inside our initrd that is responsible for mounting all the partitions from fstab
[23:25] <rsalveti> but last time I check I think we had a bug in there
[23:25] <cwayne> just sudo mount /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem ?
[23:25] <rsalveti> but first try mounting that by hand and check if the files are there
[23:25] <rsalveti> yeah, somewhere, like /tmp/foobar
[23:25] <cwayne> mount: special device /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem does not exist
[23:26] <cwayne> er wait should i be in the lxc
[23:26] <rsalveti> cwayne: no need
[23:26] <rsalveti> cwayne: the path is just different under udev
[23:26] <rsalveti> cwayne: find /dev | grep by-name
[23:27] <rsalveti> /dev/disk/by-partlabel
[23:27] <rsalveti> should probably be under that dir
[23:27] <rsalveti> like /dev/disk/by-partlabel/modem
[23:28] <cwayne> yeap, there it is
[23:29] <rsalveti> cwayne: is there a wcnss.mdt in there?
[23:29] <cwayne> rsalveti, yeap
[23:29] <rsalveti> let me clone the kernel
[23:29] <rsalveti> cwayne: great
[23:30] <cwayne> rsalveti, so is it an initrd bug? or is the fstab wrong
[23:30] <rsalveti> checking now
[23:37] <rsalveti> cwayne: can you give me the output of 'sudo cat /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/fstab*' ?
[23:39] <cwayne> cat: /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/fstab*: No such file or directory
[23:39] <rsalveti> oh, that explains
[23:40] <rsalveti> cwayne: 'rootfs' here is the android initrd
[23:40] <rsalveti> cwayne: so in order for this to work, we first need to produce an android initrd that includes the fstab
[23:40] <rsalveti> with sudo lxc-console -nandroid -t0 you can also see the files that are mounted in android
[23:41] <rsalveti> that would show you the initrd + rootfs (system)
[23:41] <rsalveti> 408         # Mount all the Android partitions
[23:41] <rsalveti> 409         mount_android_partitions "${rootmnt}/var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/fstab*" ${rootmnt}/android
[23:41] <rsalveti> from our initrd logic
[23:42] <cwayne> ah
[23:43] <cwayne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10630805/
[23:43] <rsalveti> right
[23:43] <rsalveti> should be an easy fix
[23:43] <rsalveti> now let me check if we also need to change the kernel
[23:44] <rsalveti> git fetch taking forever :-(
[23:45] <cwayne> boo
[23:45] <cwayne> although yay for easy fix
[23:45] <rsalveti> let me check the git repo
[23:45] <cwayne> whatre the chances this'll fix a bunch of stuff or would it be just wlan probably
[23:46] <rsalveti> cwayne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10630818/
[23:46] <rsalveti> bunch of stuff
[23:46] <rsalveti> cwayne: if you want to build the image
[23:46] <rsalveti> just manually apply that diff under ubuntu/platform-api
[23:48] <cwayne> tryin to build now
[23:49] <cwayne> seems to be goin
[23:51] <rsalveti> cwayne: https://github.com/ubuntu-touch-oneplus-one/android_device_oneplus_bacon/blob/v4.4/device.mk
[23:51] <rsalveti> cwayne:
[23:51] <rsalveti> PRODUCT_COPY_FILES += \
[23:51] <rsalveti> device/oneplus/bacon/configs-ubuntu/fstab.bacon:root/fstab.bacon \
[23:51] <rsalveti> in theory it's trying to copy the fstab into the initrd
[23:52] <rsalveti> but we can check the output of your build once you're done with it
[23:53] <cwayne> is it possible to mount it manually on a running image and re-init wifi to see if it works?
[23:55] <rsalveti> yup
[23:55] <rsalveti> just mount it under /firmware
[23:55] <cwayne> i did that
[23:56] <cwayne> didnt seem to do anything though, didnt know if i needed to start some service or something
[23:57] <rsalveti> cwayne: you said you're still missing /system/bin/conn_init, right?
[23:57] <cwayne> yea
[23:59] <rsalveti> cwayne: try echo 1 > /dev/wcnss_wlan
[23:59] <rsalveti> it seems your image is not necessarily reflecting latest from github


[18:04] <bkerensa> pleia2: <moray> DebConf team to organise DebConf14 in Portland, USA including help from Portland bid team
[18:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: congrats!
[18:45] <bkerensa> pleia2: hope to see you there! August 2014
[18:45] <pleia2> it's a long way off, but I'll aim for it :)
[19:51] <raevol> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1bnaoh/valves_gdc_talk_slides_porting_source_to_linux/
[19:51] <darthrobot> Title: [Valve's GDC talk slides: Porting Source to Linux : linux_gaming]
[19:59] <kdub> raevol, cool
[19:59] <kdub> they're going to like the whole world of agl/wgl/blahblahblah consolidating around egl
[20:03] <raevol> nice
[20:03] <raevol> i'll admit i skimmed most of it D: was mostly looking for the "d3d sucks" statement, but that must have been spoken, hoping for a video :P haha


[11:52] <xubuntu64d> Hi, I want to update my xubuntu to the next LTS, Is It Safe to do that? Which coomands should I Use? Is there a Manual? My Config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bBzNWzTc2h/
[11:54] <xubuntu64d> Is sudo dist-upgrade, the command I should execute?
[11:56] <tiyteeze> Tell me if i'm wrong but the next LTS of xubuntu isn't released yet unless you are talking of 16.04
[11:58] <xubuntu64d> It seems like this is possible from tomorrow. Is there than a safe gui tool? https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[11:58] <tiyteeze> Yes there is a GUI
[11:58] <tiyteeze> built in
[11:58] <tiyteeze> I am not on my computer tight now
[11:59] <tiyteeze> but I remember somwhere on the settings you can say if you want to upgrade your distro and if only want the LTS or not
[11:59] <tiyteeze> Then when the release is on the stable
[11:59] <tiyteeze> you get a pop-up to upgrad
[11:59] <tiyteeze> upgrade
[12:00] <tiyteeze> And I am not shure that it'll be avaiable so soon. On one of the latest article they spoke about a lack of testers
[12:05] <Spass> xubuntu64d, what version are you using right now, 16.04 or 17.10? if you want GUI tool to handle the upgrade, pre-installed software-properties-gtk should take care of that
[12:06] <xubuntu64d> i use 16.04
[12:07] <Spass> if you want to upgrade so early, make sure you have update notification set to "For every release" or something like that in the Updates tab in that software
[12:08] <Spass> because as far as I know, when you have "For every LTS release" you will have to wait for point release 18.04.1 to get notified about the update
[12:11] <Spass> and after the upgrade change it back to "For LTS versions"
[12:13] <Spass> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/notify-lts.jpg
[12:14] <xubuntu64d> ok, I wait just want to use Pretty easy privacy as fast as possibile and they reccomen 18.04 https://pep.foundation/blog/enigmail-2-with-pretty-easy-privacy-pep-support-by-default-for-new-users/index.html
[12:15] <xubuntu64d> *recommend
[12:50] <tiyteeze> and do-release-upgrade will be the right command
[14:31] <nathan_> Hello
[14:31] <nathan_> I read the request on the website for testing feedback.  Running the 18.04 beta for a few days now.. installation went without a hitch
[14:32] <nathan_> Everything I have tried has worked
[14:36] <GridCube> nathan_: report your results in the tracker please :D http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds
[14:37] <nathan_> Thanks, GridCube
[14:37] <Spass> hello nathan_, the official 18.04 version will be released soon, but make sure to be here later for 18.10 tests also :)
[14:37] <nathan_> Spass..  I will.  I always play with the betas, just have been remiss about reporting
[14:41] <Spass> yeah, I was little bit late for 18.04 here myself, but I'll try to not be late for 18.10
[14:44] <nathan_> Very good.   So, now I have the big decision...  when to upgrade my physical machine from 17.10 to 18.04.  May install it side-by-side first just to be safe
[14:46] <mdm_> hello guys when xubuntu 18.04 will be released
[14:47] <Spass> nathan_, safest way is waiting for the point release 18.04.1 and then upgrade, but I think I'll do that earlier on my machine, I'm on 17.10 also
[14:47] <mdm_> same here
[14:48] <Spass> it should be released really soon
[14:48] <tiyteeze> mdm_: When it's ready :p Ubuntu should release today and Xubuntu might be released startin tomorrow
[14:48] <nathan_> Spass, I am impatient.   :D   I have some extra space on my SSD that I set aside for dual-boot purposes..  I may just throw down a clean 18.04 to shake it down a bit, then do the upgrade later
[14:48] <mdm_> so .. we have to wait
[14:50] <Spass> I thought it will be today, but according to this site (draft) it might be tomorrow - https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[14:50] <Spass> but I'm in no hurry
[14:50] <nathan_> Thinking I might export my package list on 17.10, install 18.04 fresh, import the list, and watch the fireworks
[14:51] <Spass> well in that case - yes, do it outside of your main system :D
[14:52] <mdm_> lol i have lunched beta 1
[14:55] <nathan_> so...  time for a dumb question.  Can the beta be upgraded to the released version?
[14:56] <Spass> it uses the same repos, so sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and you should be fine
[14:58] <nathan_> Very nice.  Easy peasy
[15:08] <akxwi-dave> Nathan, I have been running an upgraded 17.10 to 18.04 for while now.. and all is good.. the upgrade when quite well. (even if it does have to share a PC with win 10)
[15:09] <nathan_> I don't have the Windoze issue..  only run that as VMs
[17:39] <TDO|Aquina> Is everything going according to plan?
[17:39] <enyc> maybe maybe-not
[17:40] <flocculant> which plan?
[17:41] <enyc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/date.html
[17:41] <enyc> ^ official announcements
[17:41] <enyc> apparently, iso images being respun
[17:41] <enyc> there were some irritating problems, apparently
[17:41] <flocculant> a bit more than irritating for flavours affected ;)
[17:53] <TDO|Aquina> huh? ISO testing? Release of Xubuntu?
[17:53] <TDO|Aquina> Since I/we was/were not accepted in the Launchpad ISO testing grp its a bit hard to know what's going on.
[17:55] <TDO|Aquina> How is the Xubuntu leader at present? I/we were active when Cody A.S. was and Charlie (tca) was active.
[17:55] <TDO|Aquina> Xubuntu hardy and lucyd
[17:55] <TDO|Aquina> lucid
[17:55] <flocculant> if you mean who - there is now a council > https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-council
[17:56] <TDO|Aquina> Sean DAvis?
[17:56] <flocculant> is one of them
[17:56] <TDO|Aquina> I see
[17:59] <TDO|Aquina> some problems, hm I see.
[17:59] <TDO|Aquina> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[17:59] <TDO|Aquina> thanks for the update! :-)
[18:00] <TDO|Aquina> But on the Xubuntu side of things? Everything O.K.?
[18:00] <flocculant> TDO|Aquina: yea - though I will be checking the respin to make sure the fix for others doesn't break us
[18:00] <flocculant> or someone will if I am asleep
[18:01] <TDO|Aquina> :-)
[18:01] <TDO|Aquina> :D
[22:17] <adalbert> Downloading Xubuntu desktop amd64 ... woot !!
[22:21] <Markdown1_> no more 32 versions I heard.
[22:23] <lirodon> no more 32-bit install ISOs actually
[22:24] <Unit193> That's Ubuntu, Xubuntu still has them.
[22:24] <knome> yep.
[22:24] <knome> adalbert, and the ISO you're downloading might be not the final one...
[22:33] <adalbert> https://imgur.com/a/DWYFrQp
[22:33] <adalbert> it's official
[22:34] <knome> it's not
[22:34] <Unit193> It's said that since the 24th.
[22:34] <knome> also clearly random imgur image is more official than the xubuntu website ;)
[23:21] <Markdown1_> I hope there would be an official Raspberry Pi image of Xubuntu this time just like Ubuntu Mate
[23:22] <Unit193> That's a "community" ISO for them anyway, and it was offered to Xubuntu a while ago, but lack of testers so didn't go for it.
[23:24] <knome> yep.
[23:25] <Markdown1_> I think theres a channel of raspberry pi
[23:25] <Markdown1_> maybe we should ask there for testers?
[23:27] <knome> the xubuntu team doesn't have the energy or manpower to coordinate that, but contributions are welcome (eg. if you want to make it happen and donate your time, we can likely make it an official port)
[23:31] <lirodon> update-manager -cd isn't lighting up
[23:36] <Markdown1_> knome oh I guess quite a few contributors/volunteers would be needed then.
[23:36] <Markdown1_> knome Thanks.
[23:37] <Markdown1_> looks like I have Uploaded 10 times more than I have Downloaded the torrent and yet the download is still not 25% :P
[23:38] <knome> Markdown1_, one very active could help a lot, but obviously for testing one isn't really enough... and no problem.
[23:39] <Markdown1_> maybe downloading the ISO from the mirrors and then putting it in the torrent folder and seeding is a better idea.
[23:40] <Markdown1_> too many people trying to download making the whole thing slow.
[23:41] <knome> the main server does serve the torrent too (afaik) so it's not like nobody is seeding ;)
[23:41] <knome> but yes, it might help if a some people with fast upstream and the time to share would have it
[23:41] <Markdown1_> knome ofcourse theres seed, I mean theres too many people :)
[23:41] <knome> welcome LTS release day
[23:42] <lirodon> as in, I run update-manager -cd and it's telling me I have the latest (but if I go there normally it still talks about 17.10)
[23:42] <Markdown1_> IDK I aways prefer fresh installs.
[23:42] <knome> that said, i'm off for now. have a fun release day!
[23:43] <Markdown1_> old habits are hard to get rid of I think.
[23:43] <Markdown1_> *always
[23:43] <Markdown1_> knome goodbye
[23:43] <lirodon> it'd be awkward to probably have to tell my friend (the one I successfully got to switch from XP to Xubuntu on her new-to-her Optiplex) that the recommendation is to reinstall everything
[23:44] <lirodon> Though I basically explained the difference between 16.04 and 17.10, and she chose to start with 16.04
[23:44] <Markdown1_> I think LTS is always a better idea for beginners.
[23:45] <lirodon> I basically told her "this one's LTS, this one isn't, but the next release is LTS _anyway_)
[23:46] <Markdown1_> last I heard Linux Desktop share was at 5%
[23:46] <Markdown1_> I hope there would be some progress now.
[23:47] <lirodon> up-to-date, supported, free, and still good on older hardware is better than Unsupported, Old, Insecure XP imo
[23:47] <Markdown1_> I am also seeding Ubuntu Mate, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Server and my Router LEDs are blinking like crazy :P
[23:48] <Markdown1_> lirodon I agree
[23:51] <lirodon> I had not really looked at Xubuntu for quite a while before this, and even I'm impressed at how much nicer it's gotten
[23:52] <Markdown1_> the thing that drove me to Xubuntu was its color scheme and awesome icons :P
[23:53] <Markdown1_> compared to Orange and whatnot others were using :P
[23:53] <Markdown1_> then I found out how both GTK and QT apps looks nice in Xubuntu.


[12:16] <jrib> beast_: result of this command:
[12:16] <jrib> apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre
[12:17] <beast_> i'm going to just post the result
[12:17] <beast_>
[12:17] <beast_> sun-java6-jre:
[12:18] <beast_>   Installed: 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1
[12:18] <beast_>   Candidate: 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1
[12:18] <beast_>   Version table:
[12:18] <beast_>  *** 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1 0
[12:18] <beast_>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Packages
[12:18] <beast_>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:18] <jrib> ok, please don't do that
[12:18] <beast_> i tryed pastebin
[12:18] <jrib> and?
[12:18] <beast_> how do i get it to show up in the chat room
[12:18] <beast_> i hit past it and it just showed up on top
[12:18] <jrib> you copy the url and paste it here
[12:19] <beast_> oh ok
[12:19] <beast_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10690/
[12:19] <beast_> like that?
[12:19] <jrib> yes
[12:20] <jrib> ok, that should give you java... what does this do:  ls /usr/bin/java
[12:21] <beast_> it returns /usr/bin/java
[12:21] <beast_> in red
[12:21] <jrib> beast_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[12:21] <jrib> choose the one that says "sun" somewhere
[12:23] <beast_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10692/
[12:23] <jrib> ok, now try: java -version
[12:24] <beast_> jrib: thank you so much
[12:24] <beast_> but hold on 1 sec
[12:24] <beast_> let me see if eclipse works
[12:24] <jrib> ok but be forewarned I don't use eclipse so I can't really help
[12:24] <beast_> would it be alright to get it from synaptic?
[12:25] <jrib> beast_: yes, that's the best way
[12:29] <beast_> jrib: when i try to open eclipse i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10693/
[12:31] <jrib> beast_: maybe you need sun-java6-jdk as well.  #ubuntu will be more helpful
[12:31] <beast_> but i downloaded it
[02:55] <nalioth> less static here, bruenig
[02:56] <lisapc> nalioth, yes? :)
[02:57] <nalioth> lisapc: have you considered renaming your ~/maria/.azureus to .azureus-old and trying again?
[02:57] <bruenig> I had that once with azureus when I used it, I just chown a+w everything and it worked
[02:58] <lisapc> well this is weird indeed
[02:58] <lisapc> can I run azuers as root always?
[02:58] <lisapc> it works when I type sudo ./azuerus
[02:58] <lisapc> or is that security risk?
[02:58] <bruenig> lisapc, ./azureus?
[02:58] <bruenig> ./azureus as in that is what you are running to launch azureus
[02:58] <lisapc> bruenig, thats how I start it
[02:58] <bruenig> you have represented that is being a directory
[02:59] <bruenig> s/is/as/
[02:59] <lisapc> when I start it, i type ./azureus from the folder I moved it to
[02:59] <lisapc> i type ./azureus  from /home/maria/stuff/azuerus folder
[02:59] <bruenig> lisapc, oh ok
[02:59] <lisapc> there is another way to start it?
[02:59] <nalioth> lisapc: i would not run ANYthing as superuser that you use as a user
[03:00] <lisapc> nalioth, so whats myu solution?
[03:00] <bruenig> lisapc, well all the permissions are enabled on everything in that folder right now, I don't know if it is an azureus problem or what but it really shouldn't matter
[03:00] <bruenig> sudo or not
[03:00] <lisapc> ok
[03:00] <nalioth> i suspect your azurerus got started using sudo and has given all it touched 'superuser' ownership
[03:00] <lisapc> just means i cant update or add plugins
[03:00] <lisapc> nalioth,  maybe
[03:00] <lisapc> any fix?
[03:00] <nalioth> lisapc: can you move your .azureus to .azureus-old and try it?
[03:01] <lisapc> nalioth,  ok brb
[03:01] <bruenig> lisapc, when I installed it, I put it in /opt and everything that happened happened in that directory, there was no .azureus directory IIRC
[03:01] <nalioth> and please don't run programs like azuereus using 'sudo'
[03:02] <lisapc> nalioth, I did at beginning out of ignorance
[03:02] <lisapc> have I been comprmised now?
[03:02] <lisapc> i been using it starting it as sudo
[03:02] <bruenig> lisapc, it isn't going to open you up to any attacks if that is what you are thinking
[03:02] <lisapc> has my system been infilatrated now?
[03:03] <lisapc> ok
[03:03] <nalioth> lisapc: it's just not a good practice at all to run userspace programs with sudo
[03:03] <nalioth> there are only a few programs that require superuser access, and those are for system maintenance, usually
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, that didnt help!  but I have noticed azuerus is not trying to write to that new folder I moved it to
[03:04] <nalioth> what i'm getting at is, if you have to start something with sudo just to make it go, something is probably wrong.
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, its trying to write to: /home/maria/.azuerus/plugins/
[03:04] <bruenig> lisapc, it isn't supposed to, it is supposed to create a new one
[03:04] <nalioth> you moved the azurues jar file?
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, notice, its different
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, I moved tghe wgole thing
[03:05] <lisapc> .azuerus folder is the problem
[03:05] <lisapc> not the folder when azuerus is
[03:05] <nalioth> you chanded it to .azureus-old, right?
[03:05] <lisapc> u mean to change that folder?
[03:06] <lisapc> brb
[03:06] <nalioth> lisapc: yes, rename your /home/maria/.azureus to /home/maria/.azureus-old or .azzureus-bak or something
[03:06] <lisapc> ok
[03:06] <lisapc> i created .azureus-old
[03:06] <nalioth> then when you restart azureus, it should create a whole new .azureus
[03:07] <lisapc> and moves evetrything from .azurues to that
[03:07] <lisapc> nalioth, ill try to load azur now
[03:07] <nalioth> no no no
[03:07] <nalioth> don't move anything
[03:10] <lisapc> nalioth, ok that fixed it :-)
[03:10] <lisapc> nalioth,  thanks a lot :)
[03:11] <lisapc> nalioth, all I had to do was delete .azureus and then load azureus as normal and it gave me setup again
[03:11] <nalioth> lisapc: if it requires sudo to run, something aint right. (unless it's a system maintenance tool)
[03:11] <lisapc> ir created .azureus again
[03:11] <nalioth> lisapc: yep
[03:12] <lisapc> nalioth, it run but it lept saying pesmission denied when I updated or added plugins
[03:12] <nalioth> lisapc: in fact. . .
[03:12] <lisapc> kept
[03:12] <nalioth> !gksudo
[03:12] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[03:12] <nalioth> !kdesu
[03:12] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:12] <nalioth> running some gui things using sudo may trash your permissions in a bad way
[03:13] <nalioth> as in, reassign your user permissions to the system
[03:13] <lisapc> nalioth, so always use gksudo for everything? even for apt-get update?
[03:13] <bruenig> nalioth, if it is all contained in the command line, use sudo, if it is a graphical application use gksudo
[03:13] <nalioth> lisapc: if it's a console program, use sudo
[03:13] <bruenig> s/nalioth/lisapc/
[03:13] <lisapc> nalioth,  got it :) ty
[03:13] <nalioth> if it's a graphical program you need to run as superuser, use gksudo or kdesu
[03:13] <bruenig> or gksu
[03:13] <lisapc> bruenig, ty for your last 30 mins help, i realise it was a long time to help me, thanks a lot
[03:14] <bruenig> lisapc, that appears to be my role in #ubuntu, you and jetfighter
[03:14] <nalioth> bruenig: i don't think we do gksu in Ubuntu
[03:14] <bruenig> gksudo is a symlink to gksu
[03:14] <lisapc> im very greateful for any help. i dont take it for granted
[03:14] <nalioth> bruenig: repeat customers? :P
[03:14] <lisapc> bruenig, heeh ;)
[03:15] <nalioth> welp, i'm fixing to compile k3b 1.0 and try my hand at swfdec
[03:20] <lisapc> nalioth, well it seems its broken after all!  now it says permission denied to save a file im downloading LOL
[03:20] <lisapc> im removing azureus for good :P
[03:20] <jrib> bruenig: It's different inside the code though, it checks how it is called
[03:21] <bruenig> does it really
[03:21] <nalioth> lisapc: i suspect you'll need to rename ALL the folders azureus touched before
[03:21] <bruenig> I have always used them interchangably
[03:21] <lisapc> nalioth,  ok
[03:21] <nalioth> lisapc: when you start a program with 'sudo' everything it touches can be repermissioned
[03:21] <lisapc> nalioth, yeah
[03:21] <lisapc> i underastand that now
[03:21] <lisapc> nalioth, so ill delete .azureus
[03:22] <nalioth> lisapc: have you looked at frostwire?
[03:22] <lisapc> nalioth, frostwire allows me to doanload linux torrent files?
[03:23] <bruenig> frostwire and azureus are both bloated garbage imo
[03:23] <nalioth> bruenig: i agree
[03:23] <nalioth> lisapc: frostwire is a completely open source version of azureus
[03:23] <lisapc> bruenig, but I liked azureus as it allowed me to encrypt header files.  my Australian ISP slows down torrent
[03:23] <nalioth> or am i completely confused
[03:23] <bruenig> I think frostwire is for limewire
[03:24] <nalioth> ah yes
[03:24] <bruenig> or I mean gnutella
[03:24] <lisapc> and when I use the enctryption in Azur, my ISP doesnt think its a torrent file
[03:24] <bruenig> azureus bloated java torrent client, frostwire bloated java gnutella client
[03:24] <lisapc> i dont think the other clients do encryption
[03:24] <bruenig> lisapc, utorrent does
[03:24] <nalioth> lisapc: why not use rtorrent ?
[03:25] <lisapc> does rtorrent do encryption?
[03:25] <bruenig> rtorrent might be a little above him/her
[03:25] <lisapc> bruenig, utorrent does?
[03:25] <nalioth> lisapc: does your isp quash torrents?
[03:25] <lisapc> nalioth, yeah
[03:25] <nalioth> wonder how they tell . . . .
[03:25] <lisapc> but when I used enrptiion on azur, it bypass it
[03:25] <bruenig> packets
[03:26] <lisapc> nalioth, by header files I heard
[03:26] <nalioth> i've not ever had any trouble with the ISP and torrents
[03:26] <lisapc> when I download linux torrent without encruption its 5kB/s and with it its 350kB/s
[03:26] <lisapc> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "utorrent"
[03:26] <bruenig> there is no official policy on blocking torrents with my ISP but I have noticed that if I go full speed for a couple of days my connection goes out for a few hours
[03:27] <bruenig> lisapc, it is a windows applications
[03:27] <bruenig> so you have to use wine
[03:27] <lisapc> bruenig, i use Ubuntu
[03:27] <lisapc> no thanks
[03:27] <nalioth> libtorrent.rakshasa.no  is the URL for rtorrent
[03:27] <lisapc> :P
[03:27] <lisapc> brb lunch time :
[03:27] <lisapc> :)
[03:27] <bruenig> lisapc, I use utorrent and ubuntu
[03:27] <nalioth> bruenig: why are you recommending windows stuff?
[03:27] <nalioth> heretic!
[03:28] <bruenig> utorrent is to be ported they say
[03:28] <bruenig> but until then, it is just to good and I rely on bittorrent too much to not use it
[03:28] <bruenig> since I have rss broadcatching setup for daily show and colbert report and real time with bill maher and some others
[03:28] <lisapc> bruenig, does uttorrent support peerguardian?
[03:28] <nalioth> i'd written my own frontend for bittorrent, but am giving rtorrent a go now
[03:29] <nalioth> lisapc: all that fancy stuff in azureus is nice, but not standard
[03:29] <bruenig> peerguardian seems like a joke to me
[03:29] <lisapc> bruenig, why a joke?
[03:29] <nalioth> lisapc: i torrent all the time with plain ol' bittorrent (and lately rtorrent) and not had any trouble at all
[03:29] <lisapc> whats available for U buntu?  ktorrent and what else?
[03:30] <bruenig> lisapc, all it does is block ranges of ips that are supposed to be the ones had by movie studios and other things like that, if those studios want to get into the swarm to get your ip, do you think that they can't get on a home pc and do it, come on
[03:30] <lisapc> bruenig, true
[03:30] <nalioth> lisapc: rtorrent, bittorrent, bittornado, (ktorrent is a frontend to bittorrent)
[03:30] <lisapc> nalioth, wghats the best?
[03:30] <bruenig> deluge-torrent
[03:31] <nalioth> lisapc: i wrote my own frontend to bittorrent (it is console only)
[03:31] <nalioth> lisapc: the "best" one is the one YOU like best
[03:31] <bruenig> !best
[03:31] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[03:31] <nalioth> but 1: i hate java
[03:31] <nalioth> 2: i don't like fancy gui crap
[03:32] <lisapc> nalioth, cool
[03:32] <lisapc> nalioth,  ;)
[03:32] <nalioth> you'll find that azureus will strangle your system within days of running
[03:32] <lisapc> nalioth, so I should use ktorrent only?
[03:32] <nalioth> i can run my console bittorrent for weeks (until nobody wants to leech any more) with no hit on the system
[03:33] <nalioth> i'm seeing rtorrent is similarly low-requirement
[03:33] <nalioth> lisapc: try them all, they're free
[03:33] <lisapc> damn
[03:33] <nalioth> lisapc: although i used to like bittornado-gui
[03:33] <lisapc> it seems my whole system says permissson denied now
[03:34] <nalioth> it's python
[03:34] <nalioth> lisapc: :(
[03:34] <lisapc> ever since I typed that command bruenig gave me
[03:34] <lisapc> bruenig, how can I change back?
[03:34] <nalioth> did you type it exactly as bruenig gave it to you?
[03:34] <lisapc> yep
[03:34] <lisapc> how can I stop (perimission denied) messages in my whole /home/maria ?
[03:35] <bruenig> lisapc, do ls -l /home
[03:35] <bruenig> who owns maria
[03:35] <lisapc> i do
[03:35] <lisapc> its my system
[03:35] <lisapc> my name is Lisa Maria
[03:35] <bruenig> then you shouldn't get permission denied
[03:35] <lisapc> i didnt until 30 mins ago
[03:35] <bruenig> lisapc, well my command didn't do it
[03:35] <lisapc> total 4
[03:36] <bruenig> my commands chowned stuff to you, and made things writable universally
[03:36] <lisapc> drwxr-xr-x 43 maria maria 4096 2007-03-17 13:31 maria
[03:36] <bruenig> those both add to the likelihood that you will have permission to do something
[03:36] <lisapc> well i get permission denied now trying to sve a file using ktorrent
[03:36] <lisapc> says i dont have permission to save the file
[03:37] <nalioth> lisapc: 'where' are you trying to save it?
[03:37] <lisapc> nalioth, that was the outpit
[03:37] <bruenig> to / of course
[03:37] <lisapc> nalioth, /home/maria/stuff
[03:37] <bruenig> lisapc, who owns stuff
[03:38] <lisapc> its my system
[03:38] <lisapc> im only person
[03:38] <bruenig> ls -l ~ | grep stuff
[03:38] <lisapc> whe I right click on it
[03:38] <lisapc> it says Maria
[03:38] <bruenig> then you should be able to write to it
[03:39] <nalioth> lisapc: i'm sorry to tell you this, but you have dozens of users on your system
[03:39] <lisapc> drwxr-xr-x 12 maria maria   4096 2007-03-17 13:38 stuff
[03:39] <lisapc> nalioth, what???
[03:39] <lisapc> dozens of users??
[03:39] <lisapc> i only added me
[03:39] <lisapc> at installation
[03:40] <nalioth> lisapc: on every *nix system, there are dozens of users
[03:40] <nalioth> lisapc: one of which is 'root'
[03:40] <lisapc> nix/
[03:40] <lisapc> ?
[03:40] <nalioth> lisapc: any unix variant = *nix
[03:40] <nalioth> bsd, linux, OSX, BeOS, solaris, etc
[03:41] <nalioth> when you start userland programs using 'sudo' your user permissions can be changed so that what used to be yours, may now be owned by 'root'
[03:44] <lisapc> wlel i learned a good lesson
[03:44] <lisapc> i realised what caused the peesmission error
[03:44] <lisapc> when I first started to dl that file, it was running Azurues as root
[03:45] <lisapc> and then i loaded ktorrent as normal and it wanted to resume
[03:45] <lisapc> so it gave permission denied
[03:48] <nalioth> yep, sudo can be bad. . .
[03:49] <lisapc> yeah
[03:49] <lisapc> i know that now :)
[03:50] <lisapc> so ill always use gkduso from no
[03:50] <lisapc> now
[03:50] <lisapc> was it gkduso or gksudo?
[03:50] <nalioth> lisapc: dont get discouraged . . .  i totalled several linux installs back in the days i was first using it
[03:50] <nalioth> gksudo
[03:50] <lisapc> yeah, i love learning
[03:51] <nalioth> hopefully you won't complete thrash your box . . .    :)
[03:51] <lisapc> in the words of Winston Churchill: Never, ever,ever,ever,ever give up!
[03:51] <lisapc> i live by those words :)
[03:51] <nalioth> it's best to learn from others mistakes, you know.
[03:51] <lisapc> giving up is for losers
[03:51] <lisapc> yep
[03:52] <lisapc> but the best teacher is personal experience, but as you said, its wise to learn from others mistakes so avoid to make them
[03:52] <lisapc> :-)
[03:53] <nalioth> well, neither k3b nor swfdec compiled  :(
[03:53] <nalioth> try again in a few months. . .
[03:55] <lisapc> nalioth,  whoo hoo
[03:55] <lisapc> i started again and now Azureus updates withhout any errors :)
[03:55] <lisapc> :)
[03:55] <nalioth> :)
[03:55] <lisapc> nalioth, why 3months?
[03:56] <nalioth> both the items i mentioned are "smoking hot new" and after a month or 3, there'll be feedback and bug reports to make them more compilable on different hardware
[03:58] <lisapc> ok
[03:58] <lisapc> nalioth, but keep in mind, if everyone did as you, then there would be no constructive feedback from anyone in 3months :)
[03:59] <lisapc> nalioth,  feedback comes a result of people not giving up after first attempt ;)
[03:59] <lisapc> nalioth, just thought I would mention that ;) hehe
[03:59] <nalioth> lisapc: i am quite vociferous with the developers
[04:00] <nalioth> they hate me in the handbrake channel
[04:00] <lisapc> Vociferous or Voracious? :)
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> vociferous is a fun word
[04:01] <nalioth> lisapc: a little of both, maybe
[04:01] <lisapc> hehe :)
[04:01] <lisapc> brb
[04:01] <nalioth> but i DID finally get handbrake compiled on my powerpc linux box
[04:02] <nalioth> lisapc: the reason i was so 'voracios' is that there is a 2 to 5 hour difference between running handbrake on my iMac (with the OSX gui) and running it on the console of my powerpc ubuntu box
[04:02] <nalioth> bleh
[04:03] <nalioth> takes ~45 minutes to rip and encode a dvd on my powerpc box and between 3 and 7 hours on the OSX box
[04:03] <nalioth> .... and the OSX box is newer and has faster hardware


[01:07] <calc> 16GB DDR3 dimms, drool :)
[01:07] <calc> http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/22/16gb-hynix-ddr3-ram-modules-demonstrated-at-idf/
[01:09] <ion_> Heh
[01:09] <bryce> calc, almost enough to run open office!!
[01:10] <calc> lol
[01:11] <calc> a few 16GB dimms and a large SSD, with a 8 core cpu, and i could build OOo in under 1hr :)
[01:11] <Nafallo> dual octacore
[01:12] <calc> Nafallo: yea that would be nice :)
[01:12] <calc> aiui the intel chips for 2011(?) should have 8 core
[01:13] <calc> nehalem will have up to 6 core but not on desktops aiui
[01:16] <slangasek> you know, when I lived in Iowa I loved Intel's naming scheme
[01:17] <slangasek> now I live in Oregon and I hate it, because I keep thinking people are talking about local stuff, not chips
[01:22] <calc> yea the Core 2 Duo was named after my hometown in Texas
[01:26] <cathyal> is there a channel for storage discussion
[01:26] <cathyal> doubts
[02:27] <slangasek> bigon: in bug #255307, Cody left a conditional at the end of his SRU ack... :)  do you agree to his terms, or do I need to check with him later to confirm whether he was joking? :)
[02:34] <wgrant> It's specified as part of the SRU process.
[02:34] <wgrant> One cannot not agree to it.
[02:59] <bigon> slangasek: yeah I will keep a look a this package, but It cannot be worst, changes to the msn server completely broke pymsn
[03:01] <albertito> hi! the sauerbraten package is broken (aptitude says so, it seems a dumb dependency issue)
[03:01] <albertito> I was about to write a bug for it, but I thought I should ask on irc first, just in case
[03:02] <albertito> is this the right channel?
[04:27] <pwnguin> is there anything left of an apparmor upstream?
[05:34] <saivann> Hi, I'd like to ask ubuntu developers to consider the removal of the compiz blacklist on ati driver. This could be discussed as according to compiz official blacklist and launchpad users comments, a few graphic cards really have problems.
[05:35] <saivann> I also suggest this since there is not proprietary driver for ATI so far in intrepid (at least for the machines that I tested), so that means that a high proportion of computers are currently not able to use compiz without a tweak
[05:37] <saivann> Removing the blacklist on ati driver would also help to identify which graphic cards are really problematic.
[05:38] <saivann> So I wanted to suggest discussion on this, and if it's not the appropriate place, to ask when and where this can be discussed (if you want it)
[05:38] <saivann> (or if this is possible)
[05:42] <saivann> bug 197135
[09:52] <Hobbsee> saivann: if you actually wanted discussion with ubuntu developers on something, you'd do *much* better to actually ask at a time where they're likely to be here.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> saivann: like, during the european working week, or something.
[13:19] <emgent> moin
[14:17] <bazaar> hi. how do i get a newer version of SCons into the ubuntu package repositories? should i post a request (where?) ??
[14:17] <bazaar> i the hardy repos there's 0.97 and the most recent stable is 1.0
[14:20] <GyrosGeier> hi
[14:20] <GyrosGeier> I'm looking for Geir Helland
[14:21] <devfil> DktrKranz: you are the last uploader of scons package, can you merge the new 1.0.0-1 version from Debian?
[14:22] <devfil> you are also the Debian maintainer :D
[14:22] <DktrKranz> really? :)
[14:22] <devfil> DktrKranz: I haven't seen lol
[14:24] <bazaar> come again?
[14:25] <DktrKranz> bazaar, if you wan to merge it, go ahead
[14:26] <bazaar> don't i need some permissions?
[14:27] <DktrKranz> I need too, scons is in main :)
[14:27] <DktrKranz> you need sponsoring, as usual :)
[14:30] <GyrosGeier> well
[14:31] <GyrosGeier> if anyone sees Geir Helland, please tell him that his email is bouncing
[16:43] <Chipzz> bazaar: not going to happen
[16:44] <Chipzz> bazaar: a release, once shipped, doesn't do arbitrary upgrades of packages "just because a newer version is available"
[16:45] <bazaar> so the only way to get an update for scons is from their website?
[16:45] <persia> Chipzz: Right, but we could certainly get the newer version in intrepid, no?
[16:45] <Chipzz> that would be a really bad idea
[16:46] <Chipzz> persia: he wanted it in hardy
[16:46] <Chipzz> or at least I got that impression
[16:46] <bazaar> there is a newer version in hardy (0.98) but not the latest, as the latest is 1.0
[16:46] <bazaar> sry: meant intrepid.
[16:46] <Chipzz> !release
[16:47] <persia> bazaar: Right.  As mentioned before, if you're up for the merge, and submit a debdiff, we'll try to review it.
[16:47] <persia> Anyway, hardy should only be 0.97.0d20071203-1ubuntu1, not 0.98
[16:48] <bazaar> so i'll have to stick for example to the MOTU vids on youtube, get that debdiff up, submit it, and w8?
[16:48] <persia> bazaar: Essentially, yes.
[16:49] <persia> bazaar: Also, if you need help, you'll want to ask in #ubuntu-motu
[16:49] <bazaar> ok. cool. if i'll merge scons for hardy, does it go to hardy oder hardy-updates?
[16:50] <pwnguin> probably hardy-backports?
[16:51] <persia> bazaar: You want to merge for intrepid.  Once complete, and if accepted, you can request a backport.  Personally, I doubt it will be backported because of the number of build-dependencies.
[20:42] <sistpoty> bryce: I'm just about to merge libxfont, but I'm not exactly sure about the speedo/type1 thingy. do we want that in? (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/libx/libxfont/libxfont_1.3.3-1/changelog)
[20:44] <sistpoty> (it's basically --disable-type1 --disable-speedo passed to configure)
[21:02] <bryce> sistpoty: is there a bug report or mailing list discussion associated with that change?  sounds curious to me too
[21:03]  * sistpoty looks
[21:06] <sistpoty> bryce: none that I can find in dbts/debian-x ml...
[21:06] <sistpoty> bryce: I guess jcristau might know more
[21:14] <bryce> sistpoty: yeah, it'd be nice to know the rationale on that; are they being deprecated or is it a space issue, or...?
[21:16] <sistpoty> bryce: well, apart from the changelog entry, I don't know anything about it... esp. I'm not too sure if this is not causing regressions (cf. thread at http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2008/08/msg00307.html)
[21:16] <Nafallo> why are gimp-python in ubuntu-desktop's depends?
[21:17] <Nafallo> should be recommends if something...
[21:23] <bryce> sistpoty: I notice jcristau says in that thread, "Because you don't want to use the type1 module anyway." so sounds like it's deprecated
[21:23] <bryce> I wonder why
[21:23] <sistpoty> bryce: yeah, so do I
[21:23] <bryce> sistpoty: anyway, I think you're good to merge in that change.  We can always revert it easily if needed.
[21:24] <sistpoty> bryce: ok, then I'll upload it (heh, I just filed a bug with my debdiff, since I'm sure I won't be able to make an upload during next week *g*)
[21:24]  * sistpoty just tests restarting X... brb
[21:26] <sistpoty> works like a charm for me :)


[09:42] <keram> hello'
[09:43] <keram> i wanted to add an inittab entry to make sure that a program remains running but found that inittab was replaced by upstart
[09:44] <keram> i created the directories /etc/init/jobs.d/ and then a job file inside containing "exec foo"
[09:44] <keram> but sudo start foo returns: "start: Unknown job: foo"
[09:45] <keram> any ideas how to get this working?
[12:50] <xyzz> keram move it to /etc/event.d
[20:15] <sadmac2> Keybuk: anything new of late? Or is everything still waiting for LPC?
[20:17] <Keybuk> sadmac2: I've been mostly on Leave ;)
[20:24] <sadmac2> Keybuk: ah. good you're getting some rest.
[20:25] <sadmac2> http://sunshinejoy.com/Default.asp?Item=95122&Name=Golf_Shirts&Hot=1
[20:25] <sadmac2> someone told me to wear polo shirts to meetings today (school related, not Red Hat thankfully)\
[20:25] <sadmac2> I think this is just right.
[20:25] <sadmac2> It says FUCK OFF just loudly enough without getting me called on it
[20:49] <sadmac2> notting: did you get my email?
[20:53] <notting> the bundle? yeah, haven't had a chance to look yet. is that relative to the existing upstart-0.5.0-branch?
[20:53] <sadmac2> I think its relative to master
[20:54] <sadmac2> i.e. it contains the entire upstart-0.5.0-branch\
[20:54] <sadmac2> that's what I was going for anyway
[20:58] <mbiebl> Is there a way to tell upstart 0.5 to try to reconnect to the system bus?
[21:01] <mbiebl> If I start dbus-daemon after /sbin/init, there is not upstart service on the system bus.
[21:10] <mbiebl> Or to rephrase the question: How is the interaction between dbus and upstart supposed to work?
[21:28] <sadmac2> mbiebl: starting dbus later than init should work
[21:28] <sadmac2> that's the expected case actually
[21:29] <mbiebl> sadmac2: hm, doesn't work for me unfortunately.
[21:29] <sadmac2> hm
[21:29] <mbiebl> Does dbus need any special configuration besides the Upstart.conf dbus config file
[21:29] <sadmac2> mbiebl: did you install the /etc/dbus-1 file?
[21:30] <sadmac2> mbiebl: ^^ :)
[21:30] <sadmac2> oh, you have that
[21:30] <mbiebl> yeah
[21:30] <sadmac2> hmm
[21:30] <sadmac2> mbiebl: check through the anonymous connections. see if its just not getting the name
[21:31] <mbiebl> sadmac2: according to d-feet there is no init process on the system bus
[21:33] <sadmac2> mbiebl: should be com.ubuntu.Upstart
[21:33] <Keybuk> only if you start D-Bus before Init ;)
[21:33] <mbiebl> yeah, I figured that from the dbus conf file
[21:34] <sadmac2> Keybuk: really?
[21:36] <mbiebl> Keybuk: how is that supposed to work?
[22:49] <pingveno> Is there something I need to do to have register a new Upstart script?
[22:50] <ion_> If inotify is working on your system, no.


[03:27] <canthus13> wow. nobody has spoken in nearly 24 hours?
[03:58] <Unit193> Last was 23:33
[03:58] <Unit193> I think we all died!
[03:58] <Cheri703> ?
[03:59] <Unit193> what canthus13 said....
[04:50] <Unit193> Cheri703: Ready for christmas?
[04:50] <Cheri703> pretty much
[04:51] <Unit193> When did you get all shopping done? (I did today :) )
[04:53]  * Cheri703 is poor, giving awesome cookies
[04:55] <Unit193> stuff to eat is always good
[04:55] <Cheri703> indeed
[04:58] <canthus13> Food? Mmm...
[05:04] <Unit193> canthus13: Do you know much about other distros?
[05:05] <canthus13> A little.
[05:06]  * canthus13 has used Gentoo, Debian, and Open Caldera a fair bit.
[05:06] <canthus13> ALso, Crunchbang.
[05:06] <Unit193> I have somewhat of a list of ubuntu based lightweight ones...
[05:07] <Unit193> some are: ZevenOS, Spri, U-Lite and OpenGEU
[05:07]  * canthus13 would look at Crunchbang.  It's debian-based, but well done.
[05:08] <canthus13> It used to be Ubuntu-based.
[05:08] <canthus13> Crunchbang prolly has more support than any of the ones you mentioned.
[05:09] <Unit193> I'm more looking for lightweight then anything else... (mostly fast on no resources)
[05:10] <Unit193> I don't think I ever found #! reqs
[05:14] <canthus13> #! runs on some pretty low-specc'd systems.
[05:15] <canthus13> Here's a thread with some of the systems people are running on:  http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/147/your-crunchbang-linux-system/
[05:16] <canthus13> There's a PII366 with 256MB ram on the first page...
[05:17] <canthus13> and another one with 192MB ram.
[05:18] <Unit193> post #18
[05:19] <Unit193> I mainly use it for remote and playing video
[05:23] <Unit193> #290 about sums it up...(I think I may try #!)
[05:29] <canthus13> Unit193: How much ram?
[05:34] <Unit193> 128
[05:34] <Unit193> 500CPU and I think 4MB video
[05:35] <Unit193> VLC doesn't seem to work as well as MPC-HC
[05:36] <canthus13> 128MB ram might be a bit low. I did run a web server on a machine with those specs for a while, though.
[05:37] <Unit193> Would I be better off not using linux?
[05:40] <canthus13> Ehh... no.
[05:40] <canthus13> Windows won't do it.
[05:41] <Unit193> I use an alt shell (blackbox clone) so it's much faster then normal XP
[05:41] <canthus13> Yeah, but 128MB for any version of XP is nuts.
[05:42] <canthus13> You could definitely try it, though. I'm just thinking that the RAM might not be quite enough to really decode video.
[05:43] <canthus13> You don't wanna be swapping in the middle of video decompression. :)
[05:43] <Unit193> It sadly runs faster then any linux I tried (Video works as long as it's not streaming)
[05:43] <canthus13> Weird.
[05:43] <Unit193> That's why I'm going for micro linux
[05:43] <canthus13> Every XP machine I"ve seen with less than 512 MB runs like crap.
[05:43] <canthus13> Look at Tinycore. it might do what you need.
[05:44] <canthus13> But if all else fails, and windows works, use windows. just don't connect it to the internet.
[05:45] <Unit193> I don't normally use a browser (VNC/RDP/X for browsing and VLC/MPC-HC for video)
[05:46] <Unit193> here is the kicker: I don't use anti-virus other then random online scans (they turn up no viruses because I don't browse)
[05:54] <Unit193> So Lucid Puppy or #! is what I'm going to try on it first
[06:06] <canthus13> Honestly, I'd set up that machine to be CLI/Framebuffer only.  mplayer or VLC might work well in framebuffer mode on that machine.
[06:07] <canthus13> I'd also see what I could do to max out the ram.
[06:08] <Unit193> Looked at maxing out the ram and I don't know how to setup CLI/Framebuffer...
[06:12] <canthus13> Just take a base debian install, no GUI. add apps as necessary.
[06:13] <canthus13> Unit193: This blog is packed with low-spec machine linux goodness:  http://kmandla.wordpress.com/
[06:17] <Unit193> Looking right now. You can watch video with no GUI?
[06:18] <canthus13> Yup.
[06:18]  * canthus13 has done it.
[06:19] <canthus13> Getting the scaling right can be challenging sometimes.
[17:40] <Unit193> Crunchbang looks good in Vbox (may put it on the lubuntu comp)
[17:49] <canthus13> I've run it extensively in virtualbox.  I'll install it on my laptop soon. I just need to be sure wireless will work correctly.