[02:40] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, i think I found why libindicate isn't working.. i'll eventually (whenever, being now, tomorrow, never :P) need your help in what to do to fix
[02:45] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, if you could make some time for me tomorrow that'd be great :)
[03:20] <chrisccoulson> heh, more gdbus breakage?
[03:20] <TheMuso> Hey chrisccoulson. I see you are still up...
[03:21] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso - yeah, i'm not tired yet. it's 3am here, but i'm still on dallas time ;)
[03:21] <chrisccoulson> how was your journey?
[03:21] <TheMuso> Uneventful, which is great.
[03:21] <chrisccoulson> that's good :)
[03:21] <TheMuso> I am not feeling tired at all, landed this morning, and am currently sitting on the couch watching tennis on TV whilst doing some light work on my notebook.
[03:22] <chrisccoulson> i felt pretty tired after the flight, but that's worn off now
[03:22] <chrisccoulson> i should try and get some sleep in a bit
[03:22] <TheMuso> heh I know what you mean.
[03:23] <chrisccoulson> i've been quite productive this evening though, i'm trying to figure out what has broken with the appmenu since friday
[03:23] <TheMuso> Yeah I saw the bugs you filed.
[03:24] <TheMuso> I managed to get completely unpacked within the first hour or so of being home.
[03:24] <TheMuso> ...and am now rebuilding packages for the webkit transition.
[03:24] <chrisccoulson> nice! i haven't unpacked yet ;)
[03:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm really bad with unpacking. i end up just doing it gradually through the week, or when jo starts yelling at me ;)
[03:25] <TheMuso> lol
[03:25] <TheMuso> I unpack aSAP so I can get my laundry done.
[03:28] <bcurtiswx_> guys get any snow where u were in Dallas ?
[03:28] <bcurtiswx_> i know it snowed in Texas.. wasn't sure about Dallas
[03:31] <TheMuso> bcurtiswx_: I think there was only snow at night, and then only light.
[03:32] <bcurtiswx_> you got to see a rarity then..
[03:32] <TheMuso> Heh I didn't see it personally.
[03:32] <bcurtiswx_> alrightie, nite all.
[03:32] <TheMuso> Only going from what I heard from others./
[09:24] <pitti> Good morning
[09:26] <TheMuso> Hey pitti. How were your travels?
[09:26]  * TheMuso is not far from bed, after getting in this morning.
[09:27] <TheMuso> Felt fine for most of the day, but am feeling it now, and have been for an hour or so.
[09:29] <pitti> TheMuso: pretty ok; my first business class flight, that was quite an experience :)
[09:30] <pitti> TheMuso: but getting up at 6 this morning didn't quite help (I went to Prague)
[09:31] <christhecoolboy> hey all...
[09:32] <TheMuso> pitti: yeah I am aware.
[09:32] <TheMuso> Well hopefully your week is productive.
[09:32] <TheMuso> ...ad I'm outa here, need to get to bed, feeling very tired now.
[09:32] <pitti> TheMuso: sleep well!
[09:32] <christhecoolboy> I have an idea for an application that would be part of ubuntu
[09:36] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:36] <christhecoolboy> morning
[09:44] <didrocks> good morning
[09:46] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[09:46] <pitti> ca va?
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> pitti, not a lot of us speak french without a translator, thats what I am doing now...
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> oops
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> pas beaucoup de nous parler le français sans un traducteur, c'est ce que je fais maintenant ...
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> ^:)
[09:48] <pitti> erm - what?
[09:48] <pitti> christhecoolboy: above was about all French I can do :)
[09:48] <christhecoolboy> oh...
[09:48] <christhecoolboy> I thought you were french lol
[09:48] <pitti> je suis Alemagne
[09:49] <didrocks> hello pitti! I'm fine, thanks! And you? :)
[09:49] <pitti> (whichs is probably totally wrong French)
[09:49] <pitti> didrocks: pretty well, thanks; hope the jetlag won't kill me yet, so far I'm holding up well
[09:50] <christhecoolboy> pitti, one thing you should always be careful of after jetlag
[09:50] <christhecoolboy> crossing the road
[09:50] <didrocks> pitti: hehe, I finally took a small nap yesterday. It seems to don't prevent me having a long night this time :)
[09:53] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, pitti
[09:53] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[09:54] <rodrigo_> back home safely and recovered from the trip to Dallas?
[09:54] <christhecoolboy> Dallas, isnt that part of texas?
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti!
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> how are you? did you have a good trip back?
[09:56] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_! Not yet totally recovered, but the flight back were almost all in time and I didn't have to run that much to catch them all :)
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[09:56] <rodrigo_> didrocks, cool :)
[09:56] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! How are you?
[09:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks, what about you? yes, it was great (my first business class ride)
[09:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I could actually sleep
[09:56] <christhecoolboy> I have an idea for an application that would be part of ubuntu
[09:56] <rodrigo_> pitti, business class??
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i'm not too bad thanks, and you?
[09:57] <pitti> rodrigo_: after 5 years I finally collected enough bonus miles :)
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - nice! i made the mistake of sleeping yesterday afternoon, and then i couldn't sleep until 5am this morning ;)
[09:57] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: still a little tired, but fine, thanks!
[09:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, I forced myself to stay awake until ten, so I slept from 10 to 6
[09:57] <rodrigo_> pitti, oh, cool
[09:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you can take a day off (swap day from travelling)
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i didn't realise that ;)
[09:58] <christhecoolboy> pitti, your lucky, If I went to bed at 10PM, I wouldnt be up till about 11AM or Midday! :D
[09:58] <pitti> christhecoolboy: heh; normally I always sleep for about 8 hours, but jetlagged days are always strange
[09:59] <christhecoolboy> I sleep for 12... :D
[10:00] <geser> what's the preferred fix for bug 703230? should the preinst check if it's a symlink before it "rm" it?
[10:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703230 in pango1.0 (Ubuntu) ""rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/doc/libpango1.0-0': Is a directory" when updating to 1.28.3-4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703230
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> oh... I have a bug
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> that could easily be fixed
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> that I submitted
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> since I put a codefix with it
[10:02] <christhecoolboy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/703791
[10:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703791 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "snd-hda-intel MCP79 fails to function on default install (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[10:04] <ari-tczew> hello, I'm looking for sponsorship for some branches related to ~ubuntu-desktop.
[10:05] <rodrigo_> brb
[10:06] <christhecoolboy> its annoying
[10:06] <christhecoolboy> I dont know what to do :(
[10:07] <lool> Hmm, some unity packages seem to need a rebuild
[10:07] <lool> Might be http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libunity0
[10:10] <didrocks> lool: the protocol changed, the places won't be installable or neither will work until a new release of places is done (which is planned for this week or the next one)
[10:11] <lool> didrocks: Ok; thanks a lot!  So can't upgrade unity until that's done?
[10:11] <didrocks> lool: normally, you can with removing the places, can't you?
[10:16] <lool> didrocks: Ok; thanks for the advice
[10:16] <mvo> is tomboy note sync working for anyone in natty ? or is it just me ?
[10:17] <didrocks> was working the week before the sprint, will try again today
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> does it rely on desktop-couch?
[10:25] <lool> Hmm there seems to be a pretty large webkit transition as well
[10:31] <christhecoolboy> I submitted a bug
[10:31] <christhecoolboy> with a solution
[10:32] <christhecoolboy> I think it could be done pretty easily
[10:37] <rodrigo_> mvo, syncing to u1?
[10:37] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: do you have the bug # handy?
[10:37] <christhecoolboy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/703791
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703791 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "snd-hda-intel MCP79 fails to function on default install (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[10:38] <mvo> rodrigo_: yes
[10:38] <christhecoolboy> didrocks^^ there! :)
[10:39] <rodrigo_> mvo, just worked for me, so are you getting any errors?
[10:40] <mvo> rodrigo_: thanks, I will debug it a bit more then, I just wanted to make sure its not something known or anything
[10:40] <rodrigo_> mvo, run tomboy --debug and if yuou don't know what the problem is, let me know
[10:41] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: is that your cool idea?
[10:41] <christhecoolboy> what cool idea?
[10:42] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: the one you are speaking about (but not developping the idea) on #ayatana or #ubuntu-devel?
[10:42] <christhecoolboy> no
[10:42] <christhecoolboy> thats something different
[10:57] <rodrigo_> hmm, robert_ancell didn't submit the new gtk package
[11:04] <lool> Is this a good time to instally unity-2d from natty or are there still uploads pending?  Should I just install all unity-2d-* packages?
[11:05] <didrocks> lool: not sure if the latest upload removed the places, as libunity is out of sync API-wise. The arm team is doing the packaging
[11:10] <lool> didrocks: Ok; I'll hold a bit then, thanks
[11:27] <apw> christhecoolboy, on bug #703791 what has actually been changed in the alsa-base.conf
[11:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703791 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "snd-hda-intel MCP79 fails to function on default install (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703791
[11:27] <apw> christhecoolboy, and on what release
[11:27] <christhecoolboy> the last line
[11:27] <christhecoolboy> was added
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> and a spelling mistake
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> on the last #line
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> and it says what version
[11:29] <christhecoolboy> and what release
[11:31] <apw> christhecoolboy, you do have a way of making peoples life hard, you could have just told me
[11:31] <christhecoolboy> what do you mean?
[11:32] <christhecoolboy> I was told what I was supposed to give
[11:32] <christhecoolboy> by one of the devs who helped me
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> I was told that I give that information and I shouldnt have to be asked any more information
[11:35] <apw> christhecoolboy, but thats the thing, i have missed that you have the kernel version, from which i could convert to the release, to do the comparison of the two files, but instead of just saying "maverick" you made me look, that took me longer, and saved you no time at all
[11:36] <apw> (and I would say I can convert the kernel version cause I happen to work on it, otherwise i would have had to look it up)
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> I was told to put my kernal and to put my OS as "Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop"
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> I've followed what I was told to do
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> since it was my first time...
[11:37] <apw> yep, and you arn't getting my point, all i am saying is, if someone asks something saying "its in the bug" is not helpful, its technically accurate, but not helpful to me as a person
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> If you want me to check anything
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> I cant
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> after every bug
[11:38] <christhecoolboy> I reformat
[11:39] <christhecoolboy> after I submit the bug
[11:41] <apw> christhecoolboy, ok from a quick scan of the code it is not at all clear why adding =auto would have any effect at all as in theory that should be changing the default from auto to auto ... ie. no effect.  if it is really doing something then there must be a quirk for your specific machine in there somewhere which is wrong ... to work out which we would need the alsa info for the machine ... could you run 'apport-collect 703791'  that should get t
[11:41] <apw> he information needed to figure out which codec you have
[11:42] <christhecoolboy> you need that specific soundcard
[11:43] <christhecoolboy> lemme re-do it all again
[11:46] <christhecoolboy> it means I gotta install ubuntu again
[11:46] <apw> christhecoolboy, i need the sound information yes, if you run apport-collect 703791 it should add the appropriate information
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> collecting
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> I had to reinstall ubuntu :(
[11:49] <apw> seemed to reinstall pretty fast?
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> done
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> I keep a copy on my USB Stick
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> to boot from
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> done
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> apw, does that help you?
[11:56] <apw> ok so there is a specific quirk for that sub-system id, describing the machine as a "MSI Wind Top AE2220"
[11:56] <apw> does that have meaning, is that what your device is?
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> what?
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> my PC is a MSI AE2020-047UK
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> so a AE2020
[11:59] <apw> christhecoolboy, so what specific aspect of sound is broken?
[11:59] <christhecoolboy> I fixed it
[11:59] <christhecoolboy> thats what I changed on the file
[11:59] <christhecoolboy> that I attatched
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> when I first installed ubuntu on it, it had no sound...
[12:00] <apw> christhecoolboy, yep, but the change undoes a quirk for the specific machine which appears to fix digital mics
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> its the only fix I found that lets me have sound
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> and my mic still works?
[12:01] <christhecoolboy> without that line, I wouldnt get any sound at all
[12:05] <christhecoolboy> I tried many lines, even ALC888
[12:06] <christhecoolboy> when I did =auto
[12:06] <christhecoolboy> it worked
[12:06] <apw> well that is turning off a system specific quirk, one which was added specificially for the machine id you have, very strange
[12:07] <christhecoolboy> I just rebooted the machine with no line at all
[12:07] <christhecoolboy> I hear nothing at all
[12:07] <christhecoolboy> I'm gonna put that line back, update kernal and restart
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> you can click on a button
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> and no sound
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> even sound tests
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> including /aplay
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> ok... restarted
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> with that line,
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> apw, as soon as I started it, I heard the ubuntu starting sound
[12:10] <christhecoolboy> apw, read this: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/post/2664701/&ei=djE0TYGaLoqIhQez5s34Cw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmsi%2BAE2020%2Bmodel%253Dauto%2Bubuntu%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26prmd%3Divns
[12:10] <christhecoolboy> thats where I found out how to fix it
[12:11] <apw> christhecoolboy, ok i've pulled all the information together in the bug, and updated the title etc, and marked it Triaged
[12:11] <christhecoolboy> what does Triaged mean?
[12:11] <christhecoolboy> I could put another bug
[12:11] <christhecoolboy> if you want
[12:12] <christhecoolboy> I found one when I was testing ubuntu 11.04
[12:12] <apw> christhecoolboy, no that bug is now good.  the Triage bit means it has everything needed to work on
[12:12] <christhecoolboy> yeah, I found another bug
[12:13] <apw> christhecoolboy, heh i am sure there are many, if its something different file a new bug for sure
[12:13] <christhecoolboy> yes
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/703922
[12:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703922 in unity "Unity Crashes on 11.04 Dev Version (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> there...
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> I cant give any more info, apw, sorry
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> I dont use 11.04 any more
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> but I thought I'd submit it
[12:17] <apw> christhecoolboy, i suspect that one was sorted out end of last week
[12:17] <apw> cirtainly its nowhere near as bad today
[12:17] <christhecoolboy> I used it a week ago
[12:17] <christhecoolboy> I only formatted
[12:17] <christhecoolboy> like 4 days ago
[12:19] <christhecoolboy> maybe they updated recently
[12:19] <apw> christhecoolboy, yep, it was utterly broken most of last week, a new upload on friday i think it was made things a lot better
[12:19] <christhecoolboy> it should still be there
[12:19] <christhecoolboy> because it still could happen
[12:21] <mvo> rodrigo_: I get the follow from tomboy (in debug mode): http://paste.ubuntu.com/555046/ - any ideas?
[12:21] <rodrigo_> mvo, hmm, a server problem, I'd say your tokens are invalid on the server
[12:22] <rodrigo_> mvo, can you try with a clean user, to auth again from tomboy?
[12:22] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: which version of unity did you have?
[12:22] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: when getting the crash
[12:22] <rodrigo_> mvo, do it with a separate user, but with your same U1 credentials
[12:22] <christhecoolboy> I dont know
[12:23] <apw> didrocks, i suspect one from before the friday uploads
[12:23] <didrocks> apw: we got an Xid CompWindow error, but that was on latest December upload
[12:24] <didrocks> apw: then, we got the compiz transition last week with an ABI rebuild and old unity + new unity upload on Friday
[12:24] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: in any case, we need more info on next crash than this bug report
[12:25] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: please, if you still have this bug on the latest release, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityFilingBugs
[12:25] <didrocks> I'll set it as incomplete for now
[12:25] <christhecoolboy> didrocks, I dont have the OS any more
[12:25] <christhecoolboy> I did say that
[12:25] <christhecoolboy> "<christhecoolboy> I dont use 11.04 any more"
[12:26] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: sorry, but I'm following more than 25 IRC channels. I don't look everywhere everytime…
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe how dusty my desk is!
[12:27] <christhecoolboy> Its the reason I stopped using 11.04
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> having not worked at it since the middle of december
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> time to do some cleaning before i dock my laptop on it again
[12:30] <mvo> rodrigo_: right, that was the problem. I revoked my token in login.ubuntu.com (needed to test the handling of revoked tokens in software-center). I will file a bug
[12:30] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok
[12:32] <mvo> rodrigo_: its there already, bug #633355 - I set it to confirmed
[12:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633355 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Tomboy does not handle denied authorization from Ubuntu SSO (affects: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633355
[12:35] <mvo> rodrigo_: I set it to medium for now, feel free to adjust
[12:39] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok
[13:13] <christhecoolboy> apw, back, after my bath, :)
[13:38]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:06] <didrocks> session restart, brb
[14:16] <cyphermox> good mornin!
[14:22] <didrocks> back
[14:25] <pitti> hey cyphermox
[14:27] <bcurtiswx> Mornin
[14:28] <scott-work> didrocks: you and i spoke a couple of weeks ago about setting the default xsession as gnome-classic vs. unity and used code from UNE and xubuntu
[14:28] <didrocks> scott-work: right, exactly. And I asked you to wait for the refactoring in natty which is uploaded now
[14:28] <didrocks> hey bcurtiswx
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> hey didrocks :)
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> how was Dallas?
[14:30] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: well, it didn't change a lot since UDS more than one year ago :) I was hoping for a warm weather, but it didn't happen :)
[14:30] <didrocks> we even had some snow!
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, yeah lucky all of you had a great rare event in Dallas TX
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> Snow..
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> i went to San Antonio a couple years ago... it was supposed to be mid 80's.. no... there was an ice storm
[14:32] <didrocks> waow :)
[14:32] <bcurtiswx> Did everyone get a lot accomplished?
[14:34] <didrocks> unity took a lot of time for me, but yeah, was a nice rally :)
[14:34] <didrocks> @all: what's your take on branch we have in ~ubuntu-desktop and which are in universe?
[14:35] <didrocks> that's preventing people having upload rights to refresh the branch
[14:35] <didrocks> so it makes no sense
[14:35] <didrocks> IIRC, we already removed some of them
[14:35] <didrocks> like anjuta-plugins
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, about the branches we have for packages in universe - i have no strong opinion either way, but i think they create extra work for us having to approve merge requests
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> i'd be happy to just stop using those branches
[14:49] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: agreed
[14:49] <didrocks> and it doesn't make sense at all
[14:49] <didrocks> for instance, we changed the ~ubuntu-team for unity branch to ~ubuntu-desktop so that people having upload rights can upload
[14:49] <didrocks> and update the branch as well
[14:49] <didrocks> so yeah, I'm all for nuking them once after another
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sounds like a plan :)
[14:52] <didrocks> let's do that then :)
[15:00] <geser> is unity-2d like unity but without the requirement for working 3d accelaration?
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> so if I am having issues with libindicate being noticed on the configure (by a bzr bd) but I watch all of the packages get installed that are required.  I believe it's either another package I'm missing or there's somthing wrong with the libindicate patch for empathy.  I've checked the packages and I am fairly sure i have all the right ones.. so im focusing on the libindicate patch
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.5/view/head:/debian/patches/20_libindicate.patch#L21
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> those who would be knowledgable in the patch, thats the section that decides whether we have libindicate or not and where i believe the culprit is
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> sicne i wouldn't know, does that code look OK?
[15:14] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, when u get a little bit of time, maybe you'd know ^^
[15:23] <scott-work> didrocks: oh, heh, i didn't remember you asking me to wait and i've been pulling my hair out abit during the last week :P
[15:23] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, he might be off today, since it's martin luther king day today, afaik
[15:23] <didrocks> scott-work: do you need some help? the new session system is there since mid-december
[15:24] <geser> bcurtiswx_: have you the error you get from configure?
[15:24] <scott-work> didrocks: aye, i do
[15:24] <didrocks> scott-work: so, just few words on the system:
[15:25] <didrocks> scott-work: you have session files in /usr/share/xsessions/
[15:25] <scott-work> didrocks: yes, i saw those
[15:25] <didrocks> those are the sessions shown in gdm
[15:25] <scott-work> aye
[15:25] <didrocks> you probably want to start the "gnome-classic.desktop", right?
[15:25] <didrocks> and set it by default
[15:26] <scott-work> didrocks: exactly :)
[15:26] <didrocks> scott-work: so, the conversation we had is still valid in the postinst
[15:26] <didrocks> did you set that?
[15:26] <scott-work> didrocks: i tried yes
[15:27] <scott-work> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554033/
[15:27] <scott-work> didrocks: there is a (or possibly two) small syntaxtic errors there that have been fixed since but that is what i have currently
[15:27] <didrocks> scott-work: why are you using HOME="$tmp_dir
[15:28] <didrocks> oh, it's for panel things
[15:28] <scott-work> didrocks: i was starting with what was already in the ubuntustudio-default-settings
[15:28] <didrocks> ok, I forget about it, seems quite tricky and can have issues with hacked "sudo"
[15:28] <didrocks> but well
[15:29] <scott-work> didrocks: should "/usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session --keep-old gnome-classic" also work from CLI?
[15:29] <didrocks> it should, yes
[15:29] <didrocks> it doesn't?
[15:29] <scott-work> didrocks:  ah :(  it didn't for me
[15:29] <didrocks> like, what do you have in /etc/gdm/custom.conf ?
[15:30] <scott-work> didrocks: i dont' currently know, i'm at work on a windows machine, but i can look tonight
[15:31] <scott-work> didrocks: but part of the problem also, is that i can't use an ubuntustudio install because the kernel keeps panicking on install, so i'm using a vanilla ubuntu daily to work on
[15:32] <didrocks> scott-work: hum, weird
[15:32] <didrocks> scott-work: so, before launching the command, you should see:
[15:32] <didrocks> [daemon]
[15:32] <didrocks> and almost nothing else in /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[15:32] <didrocks> then, after launching the binary:
[15:32] <didrocks> [daemon]
[15:32] <didrocks> DefaultSession=gnome-classic
[15:34] <scott-work> didrocks: tonight, i will look at /etc/gdm/custom.conf to note the file's content pre and post launching the command
[15:34] <didrocks> scott-work: if you already have a DefaultSession= entry, that's probably something else setting the session before
[15:35] <didrocks> scott-work: and we don't want the user having session switching, hence the --keep-old :)
[15:35] <scott-work> didrocks: that makes sense :)
[15:35] <scott-work> didrocks:  i really appreciate your help on this
[15:36] <didrocks> scott-work: you're really welcome :)
[15:43] <seb128> hey
[15:43] <didrocks> salut seb128 :) bien récupéré?
[15:45] <bcurtiswx_> geser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/555116/
[15:45] <seb128> lut didrocks
[15:45] <seb128> oui, et toi?
[15:45] <bcurtiswx_> hi seb128
[15:45] <seb128> slept from midnight to 11:30
[15:45] <didrocks> seb128: ça va ;)
[15:46] <seb128> then did some unpacking, cleaning, etc
[15:46] <seb128> mvo, hey, thanks for working on the webkit issue!
[15:46] <mvo> seb128: yw
[15:46] <seb128> mvo, had a nice trip back?
[15:47] <mvo> seb128: yeah, uneventful - and for you?
[15:48] <seb128> it went pretty well, they served dinner a bit after leaving
[15:48] <seb128> then I slept for 6 hours
[15:48] <seb128> just woke up twice a few minutes
[15:48] <seb128> then it was breakfast time
[15:48] <seb128> ;-)
[15:48] <pitti> hey seb128, ca va?
[15:48] <seb128> hey pitti!
[15:48] <pitti> mvo: ah, took off today?
[15:48] <pitti> seb128: *wave from Prague*
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, sehr gut danke ;-)
[15:48] <mvo> pitti: tomorrow
[15:48] <pitti> seb128: 6 hours on the plane? that's really good
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, how was your trip back?
[15:49] <pitti> seb128: reeealy good :)
[15:49] <seb128> pitti, indeed, I was quite happy ;-) I think not sleeping a lot on thursday and friday nights and the drinks at the longues helped ;-)
[15:49] <pitti> seb128: they give you everything from an almost-flat bed, real blanket, noise-canceller, up to lip balsam
[15:49] <seb128> seems great ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> don't get used to it :p
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: with mvo's melantonin, the 16 hour fasting-trick, and the nice seat I actually got over the jetlag pretty much instantly
[15:50] <seb128> pitti, how is the prague hacking going?
[15:50] <seb128> nice!
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: "don't get used"> that's not easy!
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: pretty well; we discuss a few generic things, fix stuff up on the go, and everyone can ask questions on problems
[15:50] <pitti> I'm porting s-config-printer now, which is a huge tasks
[15:51] <pitti> and I plan to do a nice GVariant handling in the Glib override; right now it sucks from python, as you have to unpack everything manually
[15:52] <geser> bcurtiswx_: it seems the .pc files you need contain now also a version: try replacing "indicate" with "indicate-0.5" and "indicate-gtk" with "indicate-gtk-0.5" in PKG_CHECK_MODULES
[15:54] <geser> bcurtiswx_: you might also need to check if the API you use has changed
[15:56] <bcurtiswx_> geser, it passed the check :)
[15:57] <bcurtiswx_> geser, would you mind elaborating on how you knew that. im learning how to recognize these things
[16:00] <seb128> bah, my mouse scrollwhell stopped working for some reason
[16:00] <didrocks> seb128: still the synaptics issue?
[16:01] <seb128> I doubt it, it's the usb mouse from my desk
[16:01] <didrocks> oh a real scrollwhell then, I still didn't connect mine
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, bug #703653 is yours, you said you wanted to work on that right?
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703653 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Fallback from Unity-GL should use unity-2d if installed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703653
[16:03] <didrocks> seb128: right, assigning it to me :)
[16:03] <didrocks> already done, thanks :)
[16:03] <seb128> yw
[16:15] <bcurtiswx_> after i quilt edit, then quit the editor after changes are made.. is it only a quilt refresh that I need
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> I got the message: File src/Makefile.am is already in patch 20_libindicate.patch
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> which is what i quilt edited.. does that mean it didn't change anything?
[16:19] <seb128> not sure what quilt edit is doing
[16:19] <seb128> but seems a warning you can ignore
[16:21] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, hmm, i thought that may add it to the patch, doesn't seem so.. hmm
[16:25] <seb128> didrocks, is there a bug about the new compiz not displaying what workspace in active in the workspace switcher?
[16:25] <seb128> didrocks, would that be a compiz bug?
[16:26] <geser> bcurtiswx_: your log showed that configure didn't find indicate, so I looked at your patch and compared if the .pc file in libindicate-dev is still named indicate.pc or not (as you passed indicate for checking in your patch)
[16:26] <seb128> it's not
[16:26] <didrocks> seb128: we have ws previews in ws switcher now
[16:26] <seb128> it's indicate-0.5 now
[16:26] <didrocks> seb128: not sure if that can be related to the bug
[16:26] <seb128> didrocks, ok, well that doesn't highlight the selected workspace
[16:27] <didrocks> seb128: I have some hilight there
[16:27] <seb128> you just notice the difference when you have things open
[16:27] <seb128> but on empty ones I don't see the difference
[16:27] <didrocks> no, there is still some hilight, even on empty ws here
[16:27] <geser> seb128: bcurtiswx_ knows it now too, he wanted to know how to find it out by himself the next time
[16:27] <seb128> didrocks, ok, my eyes are not spotting the difference
[16:28] <seb128> it might work better with some wallpapers than others
[16:28] <seb128> geser, ok
[16:28] <didrocks> seb128: maybe can be another bug related to that? It's really clear here…
[16:28] <didrocks> clear enough so that it's not your eyes' bugging :)
[16:29] <bcurtiswx_> geser, OK, where are the .pc files located at ?
[16:30] <seb128> didrocks, hum, ok
[16:33] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[16:34] <seb128> hello rodrigo_
[16:34] <seb128> how are you?
[16:34] <rodrigo_> seb128, fine, and you? recovered?
[16:35] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[16:35] <seb128> yeah, I had some sleep in the plane and a normal night
[16:35] <rodrigo_> cool
[16:35] <rodrigo_> that's the best thing indeed, to go back to normal times as soon as you land :)
[16:35] <seb128> yeah
[16:36] <rodrigo_> so, how was the sprint?
[16:36] <seb128> great
[16:36] <seb128> how come you didn't go btw?
[16:37] <seb128> you couldn't come or was there a miscommunication on you were not on list or something?
[16:37] <rodrigo_> I had some family visit last week, so jasoncwarner allowed me to not go
[16:37] <rodrigo_> if not, I would have come for sure :-)
[16:37] <seb128> ok, great, I was wondering if we forgot to invite you!
[16:38] <seb128> next time then ;-)
[16:38] <rodrigo_> no, you didn't forget :-)
[16:39] <rodrigo_> so, was there a final decision on the gnome3 stuff?
[16:41] <seb128> yes, keep it in the ppa, I need to email the list about that
[16:41] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, i think thats a good idea as well
[16:43] <bcurtiswx_> way too broken right now
[16:45] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, what's broken for you? I am running it full time, and while not perfect and some apps crash sometimes, it works quite stable for me
[16:46] <rodrigo_> only big thing is the keyring stuff, which I need to find some time to look at, btw
[16:46] <rodrigo_> keyring+ssh-agent thing, I mean
[16:46] <bcurtiswx_> rodrigo_, i guess broken isn't right.. i just think its an incomplete puzzle right now.  Needs more pieces before we should consider it done
[16:47] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, what specifically?
[16:48] <bcurtiswx_> for one, i'm working on empathy... the gnome3 changes to it are great.  Many people are asking for the things it has.. IIRC there's still more apps that aren't built in GNOME3 yet
[16:48] <bcurtiswx_> its not building for me.. has errors with libindicate im working through
[16:50] <rodrigo_> yeah, rebasing patches is the most time consuming thing indeed
[16:50] <rodrigo_> that's an ubuntu patch though, btw
[16:51] <rodrigo_> oh, talking about patches, I have this branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/libcanberra/no-gtk-quit-add/+merge/46463) that fixes a crash in libcanberra
[16:51] <rodrigo_> can anyone have a look at it?
[16:59] <evilvish> anyone know the password for guest session? (from gdm)
[17:00] <evilvish> both blank and 'ubuntu' give auth failures..
[17:00] <pitti> evilvish: there is none really
[17:00] <pitti> evilvish: it's not supposed to have a password
[17:00] <evilvish> yea, thats what i expected..
[17:01] <evilvish> pitti: but from gdm.. if i just hit enter.. it gives auth failure :s
[17:01] <pitti> evilvish: as the guest user is only temporary, it usually doesn't even exist in gdm
[17:02] <evilvish> oh! i get offered guest at gdm.. natty is broken waaay too much i guess .. ;p
[17:03] <pitti> evilvish: can happen if your system crashed while a guest session was running
[17:04] <evilvish> not sure when it crashed last.. maybe.
[17:04] <evilvish> pitti: k.. thx.  :)
[17:10] <bcurtiswx_> in a Makefile.am if im adding things to empathy_chat_SOURCES what does that mean..  if i create an empathy_indicator_SOURCES will it effect things?
[17:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you notice there was a libdbusmenu updated version which failed to build btw?
[17:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not sure if the fix there would make a difference for your menu issues though
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it doesn't look like there's anything in there that would fix it
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> i've pushed a branch with the fixes for one of the issues, but ted isn't around to review it
[17:45] <seb128> ok
[17:45] <seb128> I guess tomorrow
[17:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, where are your fixes btw?
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - one of them is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/indicator-appmenu/lp703769/+merge/46495
[17:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, they don't show up on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+activereviews
[17:47] <seb128> oh, it's on the indicator
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah. i guess i should link it to bug 703769
[17:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703769 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Menus are not destroyed when a window is closed with GDbus port (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703769
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> the other bug is bug 703689, but i'm not sure what the problem really is there yet
[17:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703689 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Window registration racy with GDbus port (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703689
[17:48] <seb128> ok
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, i think i see what is happening. it's obvious now :)
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> the object is registered asynchronously, but the menu building and window registration is done synchronously
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> so, applications register a window before exposing the menu object. i can see where that happens now
[17:51] <seb128> oh, ok
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i thought that's what was happening, but i couldn't figure out why it happened
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> i think the only way to fix this reliably is to have a new signal from dbusmenu to tell the application when the menu object is registered
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> then we can do the window registration asynchronously off that signal too
[18:13] <pitti> good night everyone
[18:14] <didrocks> have a good night pitti
[18:14] <bcurtiswx_> nite pitti
[18:23] <geser> bcurtiswx_: in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ in the -dev package, see e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/i386/libindicate-dev/filelist
[18:23] <bcurtiswx_> geser, thx :)
[18:41] <desrt> hi everyone
[18:41] <desrt> how's natty? :)
[18:42] <desrt> will my life be ruined if i install the alpha?
[18:42] <Amaranth> desrt: if you do it _right_ now you may be alright
[18:44] <ebroder> desrt: if your life would be ruined should natty turn out to be broken, you probably shouldn't install it :)
[18:45] <desrt> dbarth: scrap my plans about maverick :)
[18:45] <desrt> too many new versions of everything are required.  natty time!
[18:47]  * Amaranth has been using natty since the archive opened, only had two days where things were somewhat screwed
[18:47] <Amaranth> Other than transitions happening where I just didn't upgrade things until everything was done
[18:53] <desrt> it's always an interesting choice to decide which machine i want to sacrifice to the new version
[18:53] <desrt> desktop or laptop
[18:53] <geser> both :)
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> dh_girepository is incredibly slow on my machine, what on earth does it do?
[21:17] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Compute dependencies of gobject introspection packages. The man page has more.
[21:17] <TheMuso> s/of/for/
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, i got that bit ;)
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> i was just wondering why it's taking forever to run
[21:17] <TheMuso> Right.
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> it's taking around 2 minutes for every binary package it iterates over here
[21:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: circular deps?
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> so libdbusmenu takes forever to build, and most of the build time is spent running dh_girepository
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not sure
[23:37] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is it safe to dist-upgrade yet?
[23:37] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: X packages have not gone into natty yet
[23:37] <RAOF> I haven't done anything which would make that unsafe yet :)
[23:38] <robert_ancell> and the unity stuff?
[23:38] <TheMuso> RAOF: How was yesterda and your trip?
[23:38] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Did you have an uneventful trip back?
[23:38] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, very much so.  Actually I ended up in premium economy so it was nicer than normal
[23:38] <RAOF> My trip was pretty uneventful.  Except that there was a bit more turbulence than usual.
[23:39] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: lucky you.
[23:39] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah had a bit myself, but mostly whilst I was sleeping.
[23:41] <RAOF> I had a pretty nice wait in Sydney at the Max Brenner at Wynyard, and got home around 5pm.
[23:41] <RAOF> robert_ancell: How did you wrangle premium economy? :)
[23:42] <robert_ancell> RAOF, when I set my seats online I was placed there, don't know why but didn't ask any questions
[23:42] <RAOF> :)
[23:43] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what were you doing in Wynyard?  Or is there another Wynyard in Tasmania...
[23:43] <RAOF> There is another Wynyard in Tasmania, but I was in the Sydney one.  I had a 6 hour layover in Sydney, so I wandered into the city.


[02:42] <micahg> asac: are you around?
[06:27] <ddecator_> looks like we may have a fix for the songbird gstreamer issues =)
[06:27] <micahg> ddecator_: k, haven't had a chance to look at your email yet
[06:28] <ddecator_> micahg: i was just letting you know that the upstream devs produced my bug and were working on a fix. i'm building with their patch to see if it works
[06:31] <asac> micahg: whats up?
[06:32] <asac> have to run out in 5 ;)
[06:33] <micahg> asac: what needs to be prepared for 3.0/3.5 updates?
[06:33] <micahg> and thunderbird?
[06:33] <asac> micahg: chrisccoulson was on that iirc
[06:33] <asac> iirc he uploaded it there
[06:33] <asac> micahg: how is porting going ;)?
[06:33] <micahg> I didn't see any new commits or updates to -security PPA
[06:34] <micahg> asac: one left for main, that I should have doen by sunday
[06:34] <asac> i definitly told chris to take care of it
[06:34] <asac> he is on it
[06:34] <micahg> asac: Thunderbird also?
[06:34] <asac> micahg: all the rest is uploaded
[06:34] <micahg> asac: for main, yed
[06:34] <micahg> *yes
[06:34] <asac> micahg: was tbird updated?
[06:34] <asac> micahg: and insecure list ... any progress?
[06:34] <micahg> asac: yes, I'm spinning a tarball to test
[06:34] <asac> we should start pushing stuff for hardy to a ppa
[06:35] <asac> micahg: in the end chris should take care of all this
[06:35] <micahg> asac: insecure, jsut edbrowse, gluezilla, and miro
[06:35] <asac> micahg: feel free to poke him aggressively
[06:35] <micahg> asac: ok, i missed him by about 20 minutes when I came back
[06:35] <asac> micahg: so insecure was no progress for a week? ;)
[06:35] <asac> whats the problem with those
[06:35] <asac> we need to get those resolves
[06:35] <asac> resolved
[06:35] <asac> with highest prio
[06:36] <micahg> asac: edbrowse I'm working on a wrapper script but chris couldn;t tell me whats wrong
[06:36] <micahg> miro I did some tests, mostly works
[06:36] <asac> micahg: wrapper?
[06:36] <micahg> some python errors I wantes him to look at
[06:36] <micahg> asac: mozjs
[06:36] <micahg> needs LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[06:36] <micahg> is there another way to do that
[06:37] <asac> you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner-`xulrunner --gre-version`
[06:37] <micahg> asac: yes, where?
[06:37] <asac> in a wrapper script
[06:37] <micahg> ok
[06:37] <asac> does edbrowse use gecko embedding?
[06:37] <micahg> so I tried that, but my rules scripts is failing somehow
[06:37] <micahg> yes
[06:37] <asac> if so it should use the standalone glue rather than linking against libmozjs
[06:37] <asac> micahg: post your rules
[06:38] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/zcMgSbYG
[06:39] <asac> post-install is a rule and not a command
[06:39] <micahg> I've been trying to finish off the lucid porting list so we can drop xul191
[06:39] <asac> jjust add the lines where you want them to happen
[06:39] <asac> thats easiest
[06:40] <micahg> asac: my shell script generation is failing
[06:40] <micahg> make: *** No rule to make target `debian/edbrowse.sh', needed by `pre-build'.  Stop.
[06:41] <asac> well. dont call post-install
[06:41] <micahg> I got rid of that
[06:41] <asac> copy those lines directly where you have post-install
[06:41] <asac> then you did something else wrong
[06:41] <micahg> I also jsut realized my approach is flawed and I shouldn't do substitution in the script
[06:41] <asac> yes
[06:41] <asac> debian/edbrowse.sh
[06:41] <asac> doesnt exist
[06:42] <micahg> right, but I made a .in file and added a % target
[06:42] <asac> if you dont have that file it will happen like it
[06:42] <asac> well
[06:42] <asac> %: wont work there
[06:42] <asac> just do it manually before you copy
[06:42] <asac> and remove it in clean:
[06:42] <asac> and dont try to use a rule ;)
[06:43] <micahg> I'm just going to add the .sh file as is as I won't be modifying anything ATM
[06:43] <asac> yes. even better
[06:43] <asac> drop the other code then
[06:43] <asac> e.g. the code you added for %:... :)
[06:43] <micahg> that's what I get for trying too hard :)
[06:43] <asac> yeah
[06:43] <asac> cool
[06:43] <asac> ok
[06:44] <asac> i dont think its using gecko embedding
[06:44] <asac> LIBS = -lpcre -lssl -lcurl $(shell pkg-config --libs mozilla-js)
[06:44] <asac> so its really using js only
[06:44] <asac> so yeah. you are doing it right
[06:44] <asac> with those two changes it probably owrks
[06:45] <asac> so is chris working on porting at all ?
[06:45] <asac> e.g. i never hear anything from him
[06:45] <asac> no questions/nothing
[06:45] <micahg> asac: he uploaded soemthign that wasn't ready
[06:46] <micahg> instead of uploading all the FF/XUL stuff I needed uploaded
[06:46] <micahg> kazekhase is broke
[06:46] <asac> hmm ok
[06:46] <micahg> galeon has a weird error on start for myportal
[06:46] <asac> yeah
[06:46] <asac> is that a regression?
[06:46] <asac> imo we should kill galeon
[06:46] <asac> thats dead meat
[06:47] <micahg> asac: idk if it's a regression
[06:47] <asac> dont waste time if its not a regression
[06:47] <micahg> I'll have to check in a karmic cd
[06:47] <asac> yeah. but even without we should just kill it imo
[06:47] <micahg> and add to blacklist from syncing from debianm/
[06:48] <asac> yes
[06:48] <micahg> ok, I can file the bug
[06:48] <micahg> what's the priority on seamonkey
[06:48] <asac> right. give me bug id so i can ack that
[06:48] <micahg> we can't have 1.x in lucid
[06:48] <micahg> I'll file a bug now
[06:48] <asac> yes. someone needs to do that ... but i dont htink it should be you
[06:48] <asac> we can do seamonkey after beta
[06:49] <micahg> ok
[06:49] <asac> ok thanks for the update. will be back tonight
[06:49] <asac> e.g. in 12+ h
[06:49] <micahg> asac: should we have a call then?
[06:49] <micahg> no
[06:49] <asac> hmm. yes. we can have that
[06:49] <micahg> ok, we'll chat later then
[06:49] <asac> but like 1730 UTC
[06:50] <asac> if that works for oyu
[06:50] <micahg> asac: tomorrow early is better
[06:50] <asac> ok ... maybe lets do that
[06:50] <asac> lets discuss that later
[06:50] <asac> ttyl
[06:50] <micahg> I'll catch up with chris in the morning
[06:52] <ddecator_> micahg: they actually added the patch upstream, so i stopped my build and am building the newest trunk with the patch applied. assuming it works i'll push it to lp. just to make sure, am i supposed to request for a merge in songbird, or should i request a merge for the songbird-daily ppa?
[06:53] <micahg> ddecator_: jsut to songbird
[06:53] <ddecator_> micahg: alright, sure thing
[06:57] <fta2> ripps, you said you filed a bug upstream, url?
[06:58] <ripps> fta2: okay, just a sec. It seems that problem is only in chromium, as the equivalent version in google-chrome works fine.
[06:59] <ripps> fta2: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=39969
[06:59] <fta2> ripps, my codecs are most probably ahead of the dev channel
[07:00] <ripps> -ffmpeg-extra crashes due to a problem that seems to originate in libsumo (or something), while -ffmpeg just doesn't load anything at all.
[07:01] <fta2> hmm
[07:03] <fta2> the non -extra wont work for youtube. youtube html5 needs h264, which is only in -extra
[07:06] <ripps> I can't get debug any more refined debug symbols because -ffmpeg-extra-dbg doesn't depend on -ffmpeg-extra.
[07:06] <fta2> i fixed that yesterday
[07:06] <ripps> fta2: hasn't made it to ppa yet, then.
[07:06] <fta2> yep, i can see that
[07:09] <ripps> I've switched to google-chrome for now, as it seems to work just a well as chromium, and at least html5 vids play now.
[07:16] <fta2> :(
[07:17] <micahg> fta2: I see you stopped pushing intrepid dailies
[07:17] <fta2> yep
[07:17] <fta2> it's EOL
[07:17] <micahg> fta2: not till EOM
[07:17] <fta2> ?
[07:18] <micahg> April 30
[07:18] <fta2> pitti asked me to stop doing dailies for old distros, to save build cycles
[07:19] <micahg> fta2: that's fine, just wanted to let you know it's not officially EOL till Apr 30, but I doubt anyone using a daily would still be using intrepid at this point
[07:23] <micahg> fta2: BTW, we should be able to start songbird daily up again soon, ddecator_ has put a lot of work into fixing the build, I just need to review and merge
[07:24] <ddecator_> =)
[07:24] <fta2> micahg, ok.
[07:26] <fta2> micahg, btw, there's no point in me continuing to run the bot for moz stuff as i no longer contribute. It just adds my name everywhere and it's not right. I'd appreciate if you could take over.
[07:26] <micahg> ddecator_: probably after beta 2
[07:26] <micahg> fta2: ok, can you wait until after lucid release?
[07:26] <fta2> sure
[07:27] <micahg> I have a server that I can use, just no time to set everything up
[07:27] <ddecator_> micahg: no problem, i'm just glad to have it working. i'll keep up with packaging daily builds and hopefully getting some more features working properly
[07:27] <micahg> fta2: so I assume you would prefer me starting up the songbird daily builds from my server when I'm ready them?
[07:27] <micahg> *then?
[07:28] <fta2> if it takes you too long, i can restart it from here
[07:28] <micahg> ok, we'll see when I get to approving the merge
[07:29] <micahg> This weekend I have to focus on squeezing everything I can into Lucid Beta 2
[07:31] <ddecator_> micahg: still figuring things out, but if there is ever anything i can do to help, don't hesitate to ask
[07:32] <micahg> ddecator_: after we get it running again, if you can keep the patches in sync, that would be great
[07:33] <ddecator_> micahg: sure thing
[07:33] <ddecator_> micahg: once you tell me what all that entails =p
[07:34] <ddecator_> micahg: doesn't have to be now though
[08:08] <fta2> micahg, is your MSA broken?
[08:09] <fta2> seems it was yesterday, looks fine now, n-m
[08:12] <ddecator_> micahg: works perfect for me now, i'll push to lp and request the merge. i can work on doing some cleanup with weekend, getting some more info in the copyright file
[08:12] <ddecator_> s/with/this
[08:16] <micahg> ddecator_: ok
[08:20] <ddecator_> micahg: btw, the upstream dev tested on older gstreamer builds, and the new patch doesn't seem to conflict in any way
[08:32] <micahg> ddecator_: prism isn't the cause of not starting
[08:32] <ddecator_> micahg: i thought that's what was causing the issue?
[08:33] <micahg> ddecator_: no, it's the symlinked paths
[08:33] <ddecator_> micahg: oh, sorry, misunderstood that bug then
[08:34] <micahg> The fix should have been pushed already...
[08:35] <ddecator_> want me to ask him to make sure his system is fully up-to-date?
[08:35] <micahg> ddecator_: nope
[08:35] <micahg> it wasn't pushed yet, that's the problem
[08:35] <ddecator_> ah
[08:39] <micahg> k, I really need to go to sleep :)
[08:39] <ddecator_> so do i
[08:39] <ddecator_> micahg: night
[08:44] <fta2> ddecator, there's no need to create a changelog entry for each version. just keep the last one UNRELEASED until it enters the real repos, we do that for all dailies
[09:19] <fta2> ripps, updated the codecs in all ppas, please retry
[09:19] <ripps> fta2: kinda busy right now, I'll get around to it in half hour or so
[09:20] <fta2> ok
[10:45] <BUGabundo> morning
[10:55] <ripps> fta2: okay, I installed -ffmpeg-extra and -ffmpeg-extra-dbg, with chromium in --single-process mode. The browser doesn't crash on youtube videos now, but instead, youtube says my browser doesn't recongnize the video formats available.
[10:56] <fta2> eh? weird
[11:03] <ripps> hold on, let me try commenting out the flags I have set in /etc/chromium/default
[11:09] <ripps> fta2: nope, even with all my previous flags commented out, youtube can't detect the codec.
[11:09] <ripps> Was h.264 removed?
[11:12] <ripps> fta2: how can I be sure that chromium is even loading libffmpegsumo.so?
[11:16] <[reed]> really? you're patching NSS?
[11:16] <[reed]> not cool
[11:18]  * ripps is now trying the normal -ffmpeg package
[11:22] <ripps> yeah, that didn't work either
[11:22] <ripps> *sigh*
[12:17] <fta2> ripps, the normal -ffmpeg package is not supposed to work, it's only for ogg/vorbis/theora
[12:17] <fta2> let me try
[12:17] <ripps> I know, I was just making sure.
[12:18] <fta2> hm, there's a problem. it regressed for me too
[12:51] <Dimmuxx> what's the holdup on 3.6.2 now that nss is updated?
[15:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks for pushing Firefox/Xulrunner
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you're welcome
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> did you enjoy your days off?
[15:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, it was nice
[15:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we need to retry a few FTBFS builds after xulrunner <IP_ADDRESS> builds on all arches
[15:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: gtk-vnc and gnome-chemistry-utils
[15:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks for asking :)
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, pitti will do gtk-vnc once xulrunner is published, and then i will do g-c-u too
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> but that might be tomorrow now as there's quite a delay on the builders
[15:55] <Dimmuxx> is the fontfix included in it?
[15:55] <micahg> Dimmuxx: no
[15:56] <Dimmuxx> oh I thought it was approved, but not until 3.6.3 then or will 3.6.2 be rebuilt eventually?
[15:56] <micahg> Dimmuxx: what was approved?
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> there will be another 3.6.2 update with the cairo patch hopefully in time for beta 2
[15:57] <Dimmuxx> micahg: the cairo patch
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, yes, that was approved
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> hey micahg
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> so, we won't need a new nss in the firefox-stable PPA for karmic, as that's being updated already
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> but the others will either need the new nss, or we'd need to build them with the bundled version instead
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> are the packages in the firefox-stable PPA using bundled xulrunner?
[16:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - so, the safe option is probably to build the updates for <= jaunty with bundled nss
[16:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't know what the implications are for in build NSS vs system NSS...but in source NSS is automatic if there's no system NSS
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think for the firefox-stable PPA, built-in NSS should be the safer option. there's no rdepends on any of the packages in the PPA, so it's not likely to break anything else
[16:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, I'll push that tonight then, I have to disable the firefox-kde patch as well for the < lucid releases
[16:24] <asac> why not push the nss to stable PPA?
[16:24] <asac> i think we need it anyway for 3.5
[16:24] <asac> in our security update?
[16:24] <asac> whats the status on that?
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> asac - we need it for the karmic update only
[16:25] <asac> yes. but then we can push it to jaunty too
[16:25] <asac> we will need it soon anyway
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> and that's uploaded to the u-m-s PPA already (i'm just waiting for it to build before uploading anything else)
[16:25] <asac> so we can have it tested in nss
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> pitti just adjusted the score for nss so it builds quicker
[16:26] <micahg> asac: I can push NSS to stable PPA tonight if you want for < karmic
[16:26] <micahg> and for karmic too if it's not in archive yet
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't think nss will be copied across now until after the weekend, with most people being on holiday from tomorrow
[16:28] <micahg> asac: should I use ~mfs~DISTRO1 for NSS suffix so they get the in archive version when we push it?
[16:28] <asac> micahg: someone should quickly test it for jaunty ... but otherwise yes.
[16:28] <asac> maybe push it to daily ppa first
[16:29] <micahg> asac: I don't think I have rights to daily PPA yet
[16:30] <micahg> asac: also, should I make branches for each release in the stable PPA?
[16:35] <ccheney> asac: what replaces xulrunner-dev in main?
[16:35] <ccheney> asac: i noticed i can't get it for OOo building in main anymore
[16:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you know why xulrunner-dev was demoted?
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> micahg - one second, just on a call
[16:42] <ccheney> hmm it seems xulrunner-dev was probably in main in the past but got demoted to universe but xulrunner-1.9.2-dev is still in main
[16:46] <ccheney> asac: was that a mistake i see the source package is relatively new, so maybe xulrunner-dev just got forgotten in universe?
[16:49] <micahg> ccheney: no, this was done before <IP_ADDRESS> was upload
[16:52] <ccheney> micahg: hmm well it was apparently still in main as of Mar 26, and now i can no longer build OOo
[16:52] <ccheney> mar 26 was after xulrunner-1.9.2 source was uploaded so it appears it was done intentionally in past couple days
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i asked pitti to demote the whole of xulrunner-1.9.1 now, as it doesn't seem like anything needs it in main now
[16:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, there are 2 more things, I should be fixed today, 1 monday
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> we're going to see if anything comes up on component-mismatches or wherever these things get flagged up on, and then fix them before beta 2
[16:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: but since it happened before the <IP_ADDRESS> upload, xulrunner-dev accidentally got demoted
[16:54] <ccheney> micahg: ah so it should still be in main then?
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, the xulrunner-dev provided by 1.9.2 got accidentally demoted too?
[16:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah
[16:54] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: yes
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> that definately needs fixinf
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll ping pitti about that, sorry
[16:54] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: no problem :) just wondering if i needed to change my packaging for OOo :)
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> i uploaded 1.9.1 today without xulrunner-dev as well
[16:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right :)
[16:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, it's still a problem on IA64 as we don't have a good build of xulrunner-1.9.2 yet
[16:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so I don't know if it should have been demoted yet
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> we're running out of opportunities to make changes like this though (after beta-2 is released, there is only 1 week before final freeze), so we should probably use this time now to fix inconsistencies like this
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti has re-promoted xulrunner-dev again now
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> but you need to wait 1 hour for the next publisher run
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> ok, i will have a look at the ia64 build issue later
[17:00] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: ok thanks, i don't think i will have OOo uploaded by then, still have to fix a couple bugs
[17:03] <fta> kenvandine, what files/dirs from gwibber should i restore if i create a new desktop (just reinstalled my main desktop on a new/bigger/faster disk)
[17:04] <kenvandine> fta just couchdb
[17:04] <fta> where is that?
[17:04] <kenvandine>  ~/.local/share/desktopcouch/gwibber*
[17:04] <fta> ok
[17:04] <kenvandine>  ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber*
[17:04] <kenvandine> i think
[17:05] <kenvandine> i just use ubuntuone :)
[17:06] <fta> wow.. 200MB
[17:08] <kenvandine> fta, and you are running gwibber trunk right?
[17:08] <fta> yes
[17:08] <kenvandine> you must have a ton of messages
[17:08] <kenvandine> since we auto compact the DB now
[17:08] <kenvandine> it must have been much bigger
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> mine is ~35MB, and i get hardly any messages ;)
[17:08] <fta> 191M    .local/share/desktop-couch/.gwibber_messages_design
[17:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: will you have time to look at IA64 after beta 2?
[17:10] <fta> it tough to reconfigure a nicely tuned desktop from scratch, confs are everywhere :(
[17:10] <fta> +'s
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'll probably need to look at it before beta 2 really
[17:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I file a bug and assign to you?
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, feel free
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> have you had any experience with building ia64 stuff locally?
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> i've never tried to do that before
[17:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I asked someone about it and was told that it tries to do the right thing IIRC
[17:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you didn't have a chance to look at gjs did you?
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not yet
[17:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: let's chat later today if you finish the FF30/FF35 updates
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no problem
[17:14] <BUGa_vacations> kenvandine: gwibber still sucking a LOT of CPU
[17:14] <BUGa_vacations> can't you guys trim it a bit ?
[17:15] <BUGa_vacations> also, show account server name in the account lables! having them all say "BUGabundo" doesn't help
[17:15] <kenvandine> BUGa_vacations, is it higher now?
[17:15] <kenvandine> i should be :)
[17:15] <fta> where is the pref to get icons only in toolbars? can't find it
[17:16] <kenvandine> not being funny... there is a keyring bug that is affecting lots of things
[17:16] <BUGa_vacations> kenvandine: yeah I know that can be it
[17:16] <BUGa_vacations> but all I see in atop is gwibber :(
[17:16] <kenvandine> gwibber-service or gwibber?
[17:17] <BUGa_vacations> services mostly
[17:17] <BUGa_vacations> let me restart it
[17:17] <kenvandine> and is it like 100%?
[17:17] <kenvandine> or over 90% all the time?
[17:17] <rickspencer3> I run gwibber non-stop
[17:17] <rickspencer3> and it peaks at like 9% when it's loading the window
[17:17] <BUGa_vacations>   Installed: 2.31.1~bzr703-0ubuntu1~daily1
[17:17] <rickspencer3> otherwise, doesn't even show up on top
[17:17] <BUGa_vacations> rickspencer3: how many / which services?
[17:17] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i really wish i knew why your not affected by this bug
[17:17] <BUGa_vacations> how large is your DB?
[17:17] <rickspencer3> identica, twitter, facebook
[17:18] <BUGa_vacations> identica, two other SNs, twitter
[17:18] <rickspencer3> my DB has to be maxed out, since I have been running it forever
[17:18] <BUGa_vacations> daily trunk on lucid 64 bits
[17:18] <BUGa_vacations> two streams
[17:18] <BUGa_vacations> HOME and replies
[17:18] <BUGa_vacations> rickspencer3: you ?
[17:18] <kenvandine> ls -lh ~/.local/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages.couch
[17:18] <rickspencer3> I have 4 streams
[17:19] <BUGa_vacations> ls: cannot access /home/bugabundo/.local/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages.couch: No such file or directory
[17:19] <rickspencer3> I keep replies open as well
[17:19] <kenvandine> whoops
[17:19] <BUGa_vacations> can't fit more then 3 stream on my 13.3"
[17:19] <kenvandine> ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages.couch
[17:19] <BUGa_vacations> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 43M 2010-04-01 17:17 /home/bugabundo/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages.couch
[17:20] <BUGa_vacations> rickspencer3: compiz or metacity?
[17:20] <rickspencer3> compiz
[17:20] <BUGa_vacations> nvidia?
[17:20] <rickspencer3> -intel
[17:20] <BUGa_vacations> there must be a root cause for this
[17:20] <rickspencer3> right
[17:21] <rickspencer3> I thought it's been traced back to access to the keyring
[17:21] <rickspencer3> apps that access the keyring go haywire on certain people's computers
[17:21] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, is that not correct?
[17:22] <BUGa_vacations> rickspencer3: auto login on GDM?
[17:22] <rickspencer3> no
[17:22] <rickspencer3> I login with GDM
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> ahh
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> I have autologing
[17:26] <kenvandine> that shouldn't matter
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> could that be it, trigerring the cpu?
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> I have the same prob with gnome-do
[17:26] <kenvandine> although... i don't even know if BUGa_vacations' problem is keyring
[17:26] <rickspencer3> "shouldn't matter" ;)
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations>   PID  SYSCPU  USRCPU  VGROW  RGROW  RDDSK  WRDSK  ST EXC S  CPU CMD     1/3
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations>  1401 11930h28m   0.01s   100K    24K     0K     4K  --   - S 200% indicator-appl
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> 31243   4.66s   9.11s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  92% gwibber-servic
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations>   387   0.00s  12.56s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S  84% gnome-do
[17:26] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, do you autlogin?
[17:26] <kenvandine> no
[17:26] <rickspencer3> so that rules that out, right htere
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations>   387   0.05s  13.34s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S  89% gnome-do
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> 31243   5.17s   8.22s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  89% gwibber-servic
[17:27] <kenvandine>   1401 11930h28m   0.01s   100K    24K     0K     4K  --   - S 200% indicator-appl
[17:27] <kenvandine> wtf!
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> it was a peak
[17:27] <kenvandine> still
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> atop running in 15 sec sample
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations>   387   0.00s  11.55s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S  77% gnome-do
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> 31243   4.01s   7.11s    16K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  74% gwibber-servic
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations>   704   0.93s   1.41s 402.4M 25420K     0K     0K  N-   - S  16% gwibber-servic
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations>   705   0.45s   0.76s 402.4M 25104K     0K     0K  N-   - S   8% gwibber-servic
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> err
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> time to kill DO
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations> :(
[17:27] <BUGa_vacations>  1447    491.4M     2.0G        25544K                       13% bash
[17:28] <BUGa_vacations> wow
[17:28] <BUGa_vacations> talk about mem leaks
[17:28] <fta> bash?
[17:28] <BUGa_vacations> 31243   1.80s   3.38s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  99% gwibber-servic
[17:29] <BUGa_vacations> kenvandine: yeah GS is stuck
[17:29] <BUGa_vacations> but since its now so fast starting
[17:29] <kenvandine> that is exactly what happens with the keyring
[17:29] <BUGa_vacations> I just close it and open when I need it
[17:29] <kenvandine> that sucks though
[17:29] <kenvandine> or rickspencer3, i know why you don't see that with gwibber
[17:30] <rickspencer3> oh yeah?
[17:30] <BUGa_vacations> lol
[17:30] <BUGa_vacations> why?
[17:30] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, your accounts are still storing passwords plain text
[17:30] <rickspencer3> d'oh
[17:30] <BUGa_vacations> LOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL
[17:30] <kenvandine> so we don't auto convert people
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> plaintext passwords?
[17:30] <BUGa_vacations> btw
[17:30] <BUGa_vacations> let me check the state of SN OAuth
[17:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, should I delete the passwords from couch?
[17:30] <kenvandine> BUGa_vacations, have you run gwibber-accounts and re-saved?
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> how do people fix that? ;)
[17:31] <BUGa_vacations> now that even google porvides this
[17:31] <BUGa_vacations> kenvandine: nope
[17:31] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, open accounts and edit an account
[17:31] <kenvandine> click save
[17:31] <kenvandine> it will convert it to storing in keyring
[17:31] <BUGa_vacations> is it going to get worse?
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - thanks
[17:31] <kenvandine> BUGa_vacations, oh... and your still getting that much CPU load?
[17:31] <fta> what's going on with the official builders? i've been waiting for several days to push chromium, but the codecs are still waiting for a slot :(
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> when did that change btw?
[17:31] <kenvandine> BUGa_vacations, look in the web view... please
[17:31] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, yesterdays upload
[17:31] <BUGa_vacations>  saved
[17:31] <kenvandine> or in trunk about a week ago
[17:32] <kenvandine> ok... i wanted you to make sure first :)
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> fta - they're incredibly busy at the moment
[17:32] <BUGa_vacations> kenvandine: webview?
[17:32] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, so I changed and saved my identi.ca pw, and quit gwibber
[17:32] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, ok
[17:32] <rickspencer3> so if I open gwibber now, I should see the cpu peg?
[17:32] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:33] <kenvandine> BUGa_vacations, the web interface to couch, called futon
[17:33]  * BUGa_vacations kisses kenvandine arse
[17:33] <fta> amd64	2	 88 jobs (14 hours), i386	3	 950 jobs (12 hours)
[17:33] <fta> weird
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - it would be worth sending an email to ubuntu-devel-announce about that change, so people know how to convert their plaintext password in to an encrypted one
[17:33] <BUGa_vacations>   PID  SYSCPU  USRCPU  VGROW  RGROW  RDDSK  WRDSK  ST EXC S  CPU CMD     1/11
[17:33] <BUGa_vacations>  1243   5.17s   9.25s   -16K     0K     0K    12K  --   - R  96% gwibber-servic
[17:33] <BUGa_vacations>  1350   2.47s   3.34s     0K     0K      -      -  NE   0 E  39% <gwibber-serv>
[17:33] <BUGa_vacations>  1349   1.26s   1.36s     0K     0K      -      -  NS  15 E  17% <gwibber-serv>
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> there's a lot of people testing at this point in the cycle ;)
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> (sorry if you've already done that)
[17:34] <kenvandine> i haven't
[17:34] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, good idea
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> i think you probably should do
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> :)
[17:34] <BUGa_vacations> kenvandine: now what??
[17:34] <kenvandine> although that will just make that many more people angry about the keyring bug
[17:35] <kenvandine> BUGa_vacations, dunno... :)
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, yeah, probably best to wait until that's fixed then
[17:35] <kenvandine> problem is it is hard to figure out for sure if the keyring is causing your problem
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> but once that's fixed, it would definately be worth announcing it
[17:35] <kenvandine> since there is nothing in the logs or even in a strace
[17:35] <kenvandine> so weird
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> asac - i think i've probably asked you already, but would you mind having a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/extension-list at some point, just in case there are some removal candidates that you don't agree with?
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> i want to start getting these cleaned up next week really
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i would appreciate your feedback on those too ;)
[18:48] <maxb> ooi, what's the current outlook on enigmail for lucid?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> how the hell do i change the amount of chars on a line in a thunderbird compose/reply window?
[21:12] <gnomefreak> i really cant stand the sideways scroll changing size of window doesnt help unless i amke it reall really big
[21:16] <sebner> asac: bah, you br0ke firefox with your last upload :P
[21:17] <gnomefreak> now you tell me :(
[21:36] <BUG_vacations> evening
[22:06] <gnomefreak> bug 8803
[22:06] <gnomefreak> when did we go back to 4 digit reportts
[22:07] <gnomefreak> bug 11199
[23:53] <micahg> [reed]: are patches still being accepted for <IP_ADDRESS>?


[05:09] <cyrus_> dfs
[10:06] <ivan_> hah
[10:07] <ivan_> hello ?
[11:47] <ivan_> ll
[11:53] <ivan_> HELLO
[15:04] <solondutra> ola
[15:22] <DougCD> Dual booted with win 10 but can't seem to get wireless Internet established.  Where do I start after filling out connection?
[15:44] <DougCD> Hi Hopping
[17:21] <mate|83814> русские есть?
[20:41] <rdx> hi please tel to me how to change boot loader in ubuntu mate
[21:07] <sergre> algun programa para imprimir caratulas de dvd
[21:08] <sergre> hola a todos
[21:09] <sergre> hello
[23:29] <DarkPsydeLord> :)


[00:02] <daftykins> never fly without them
[00:11]  * diddledan_ slaps daftykins with a lemon napkin
[00:11] <daftykins> "oof"
[00:11] <daftykins> so, Juniper trouble
[00:11] <penguin42> ?
[00:12] <penguin42> have they figured out who did it yet?
[00:12] <daftykins> only just heard of the situation in another channel, nasty stuff!
[00:13] <penguin42> yeh, the question is how did someone manage to get code into their system
[00:14] <penguin42> I mean most likely is they compromised one of their devs laptops/desktops, but then somehow managed to push that change throughm, unless they managed to compromise someone in the release chains dev system
[00:16] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:17] <penguin42> but it feels nation state level, either that or someone paid off one of the devs
[00:18] <daftykins> one of those times when proactive admins patching early have ruined things for themselves
[00:18] <penguin42> I mean even if you compromised a devs laptop, and realised you had, you still wouldn't understand their development processes or their codebase
[00:19] <penguin42> how old is the version that first had the problem?
[00:21] <penguin42> so, a more important -uk question; Russians drink Tea a lot don't they? So the Russian cosmonauts drink tea? So why did Tim have to figure out how to make Tea in orbit?
[00:35] <diddledan_> lol
[00:35] <daftykins> :>
[00:35] <diddledan_> so what happened at juniper? I've not seen that one yet
[00:36] <penguin42> diddledan_: They found a couple of backdoors in their router code
[00:36] <diddledan_> eep
[00:36] <daftykins> yay VM shutdown at last, now i can sleep :) nn \o
[00:36] <diddledan_> like someone actually inserted a back door?
[00:36] <penguin42> diddledan_: They describe it as 'unauthorised code'
[00:36] <diddledan_> rather than just a mistake?
[00:36] <diddledan_> ouch
[00:36] <diddledan_> that's nassy
[00:37] <penguin42> http://forums.juniper.net/t5/Security-Incident-Response/Important-Announcement-about-ScreenOS/ba-p/285554
[01:08] <diddledan> bouncy daftykins
[01:08] <diddledan> (30 minutes later)
[02:10] <diddledan> WEEE
[02:10] <diddledan> bouncy bouncy me
[03:30] <mapps> homeland finale;D
[06:28] <knightwise> morning
[07:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <knightwise> yoyo
[10:05] <davmor2> yoyo that like a boomaring with a string
[10:06] <knightwise> Righton !
[10:06] <gh00st_> MOTD
[10:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:37] <davmor2> So guys when do you all break up
[10:37] <foobarry_> 23rd
[10:41] <davmor2> 22nd for me \o/
[10:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: 'ow am ya
[10:43] <bigcalm> About 3pm on the 24th :|
[10:43] <bigcalm> Better than nout
[10:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: wrist pain, good otherwise ta. Keeping well yourself?
[10:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: turning into a right yam-yam you are
[10:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: dude what did you do wrong 24th buy the boss a copy of Christmas Carol for Christmas ;)
[10:45]  * davmor2 starts calling bigcalm cratchet
[10:45] <bigcalm> Boss has been off since Thursday last week
[10:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: see definitely something wrong with that ;)
[10:46] <bigcalm> At least the office is closed until the 4th Jan
[10:46] <davmor2> I'm good thanks, bad knee, back, neck and shoulder but other than that good :)
[10:48] <davmor2> big and if you are calling someone a yam-yam at least say am instead of are at the end ;)
[10:48] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: missed the tab ^
[10:52] <MooDoo> I finish 24th too
[10:53] <MooDoo> treated myself to a new nas at the weekend :D
[10:57] <foobarry> which one MooDoo
[11:06] <bigcalm> Anybody wearing an xmasy jumper this week? I'm sporting some wonderful lines of rain deer and snow flakes
[11:06] <Myrtti> I went head to to Christmas on Saturday
[11:06] <Myrtti> s/to to/to toe/
[11:07] <Myrtti> red shoes, red penguin leggings, red penguin jumper, red hairbow, red nails, jingly earrings
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> all i had for my last d&d game pre crimbo was a baseball cap with reindeer anthlers :-)
[11:09] <brobostigon> my gf likes big jungling earrings as well, you get the feeling sometimes you will get your eye poked out by them, lol.
[11:09] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: naked D&D?
[11:09] <brobostigon> jingling*
[11:09] <foobarry> strip D&D
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> naked gamers, no no, you never get invited back... or so i hear...
[11:10] <foobarry> gagh , doesn't look like the cyangoen bug plagueing my phone will be fixed anytime soon
[11:10] <brobostigon> whats the bug?
[11:10] <foobarry> get reboots if using data/call while switching between wifi/mobile zones
[11:10] <bigcalm> Myrtti: there are some lovely Moomin prints in a local art shop on my way to work. Tempting but difficult to justify the £39
[11:10] <foobarry> walk out of building while receiving or sending hangouts message...reboot
[11:10]  * brobostigon makes a note.
[11:11] <Myrtti> bigcalm: mm. I'll just knit my own.
[11:11] <foobarry> https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/NIGHTLIES-1715
[11:11] <davmor2> Myrtti: next year I expect a picture of you in, gold shoes, brown leggins, green jumper complete with leds that flash and tree ornaments tinsel etc and an angel hat ;)
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> didn't get a full turnout so we played board games instead... small world was a fun game but takes a while to play... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/678722117442125824/photo/1
[11:11] <brobostigon> foobarry: cm21.1 or cm13 ?
[11:11] <foobarry> 12.1
[11:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: you knit Moomin artwork?
[11:11] <brobostigon> ok,
[11:11] <Myrtti> bigcalm: arduino/raspi controlled electronic knitting machine
[11:11] <brobostigon> foobarry: let me test it out here, i am curious.
[11:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: :D
[11:11] <foobarry> what device u have?
[11:12] <foobarry> model:
[11:12] <foobarry> falcon, hammerhead, hammerheadcaf, shamu, tomato, trltexx
[11:12] <davmor2> Myrtti: man that sounds awesome to be fair :)
[11:12] <bigcalm> I'll take a photo of the shop window later, if I remember
[11:12] <brobostigon> foobarry: nexus 4
[11:12] <brobostigon> mako
[11:13] <foobarry> oh so maybe unaffeted
[11:14] <Myrtti> davmor2, bigcalm https://www.flickr.com/gp/myrtti/0246j6
[11:14] <brobostigon> i dont know, hence i want to see.
[11:15] <bigcalm> Myrtti: magic :D
[11:15] <foobarry> i get it while whatsapp/hangout or while making a call when leaving or arriving at teh office or home
[11:15] <brobostigon> foobarry: ok, let me make a note an test it, i am curious.
[11:15] <davmor2> Myrtti: nice so that was done on an arduino/raspi knitting machine nice
[11:15] <foobarry> did u see the link i posted/
[11:16] <foobarry> to teh bug?
[11:16] <davmor2> foobarry: what link
[11:16] <foobarry> was talking to brobostigon sorry https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/NIGHTLIES-1715
[11:17] <brobostigon> ty foobarry
[11:21] <Myrtti> talking of hacking and nerdy stuff https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skrolli-a-printed-computer-culture-magazine#/story
[12:04] <Myrtti> I killed the convo :-(
[12:05] <brobostigon> :(
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> oh i do that all the time ::picks up nerf pistol and blows across tip of barrel:: :-)
[12:05]  * brobostigon also,
[12:27] <penguin42> hmm it's wet out there
[12:29] <davmor2> it's worse than that......he's dead jim, dead jim, dead jim :D
[12:30] <penguin42> who, where?
[12:30] <SuperEngineer> wet-wipes onb the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow...
[12:32] <davmor2> mourns the loss of Jimmy Hill, I mean what happens to chinny raccoon now
[12:32] <stemount> pwd
[12:32] <stemount> living the dream
[13:05] <mapps> 8 days holiday left;D
[13:06] <mapps> going to use a week and go to Slovakia and then Prague :)
[13:06] <penguin42> well if it carries on the way I've started it so far then I'll just be sitting here yawning for the next 2 weeks
[13:06]  * penguin42 should get dressed
[13:06] <mapps> no job?
[13:06] <mapps> hm
[13:07] <penguin42> mapps: it's holiday!
[13:07] <mapps> ah
[13:07] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, penguins should always be wearing at least a waistcoat!
[13:08] <mapps> i still have to work
[13:08] <mapps> work xmas day/boxing day,off today and xmas eve
[13:08] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: well we don't go out in public in our dressing gown :-)
[13:08] <SuperEngineer> lol
[13:09] <penguin42> mapps: Not working until the new year
[13:11] <mapps> nice
[13:11] <mapps> doesnt count as holiday days?
[13:13] <mapps> only hassle is getting to Malaga at 430am
[13:13] <mapps> 6am flight to Bratilava
[13:13] <mapps> UGH
[13:13]  * knightwise still working
[13:13] <SuperEngineer> whilst everybody's relaxed; anybody fancy giving me a clue on the following from gpodder log [it's leaving me far from relaxed]
[13:13] <SuperEngineer> been trying to sort for days!
[13:13] <mapps> £48 Malaga -> Slovakia :D how cheap
[13:14] <SuperEngineer> [it refers to finding that gpodder, lifrea & rhytmbox all fail on an https rss feed
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> [linux voice is the only https feed used, both firefox & chromium reach this & all other https fully ok]
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14127494/
[13:16] <foobarry> doritos never seem to go stale
[13:18] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, they do if use leave you them out in the rain!
[13:18] <foobarry> SuperEngineer: have you tried irc chan for it
[13:18]  * SuperEngineer lols at thought of doritos irc
[13:18] <foobarry> WHICH VER of gpodder
[13:18] <foobarry> woops
[13:20] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, was the one direct from repos [an old version] - now tried with 3.8.5, prpb persists
[13:21] <SuperEngineer> 3.8.5 proven normally okay by lv irc chan ...and u-mate version is 3.8.4 [which also works]
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> the problem is on this partition. not router if other distro has no prob, not version as newer proven versions fail
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> ...was suggested [here] a couple of days ago to be a python library problem
[13:24] <foobarry> want me to try?
[13:24] <foobarry> whichurl?
[13:24] <SuperEngineer> but.... still not tracked it down
[13:24] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, coming up
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> & https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_ogg.rss
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> both
[13:25] <foobarry> same
[13:26] <foobarry> perahps its not the https but a bad rss file?
[13:26] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, same fail?
[13:26] <foobarry> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[13:27] <foobarry> same rsult yeah
[13:27] <foobarry> wget the rss file and it says http
[13:27] <foobarry> Connecting to www.linuxvoice.com (www.linuxvoice.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... connected.
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> which buntu are you on
[13:27] <foobarry> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[13:27] <foobarry> elementary freya 0.3.1 which is the last LTS
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> so no fail!
[13:27] <foobarry> of ubuntu
[13:28] <foobarry> gpodder does fail
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> oooooo!
[13:28] <foobarry> same as you
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> bug!
[13:28] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/3PEdkzcG
[13:28] <foobarry> however
[13:28] <foobarry> try hosting the rss file on a http server
[13:28] <foobarry> and adding it
[13:29] <foobarry> in case its another issue
[13:30] <SuperEngineer> [that log looks familiar btw!]
[13:30] <foobarry> from an empty setup
[13:30] <foobarry> hold on a sec
[13:30] <foobarry> trying something else
[13:31] <foobarry> doesn't work using vocal
[13:31] <foobarry> another podcast app
[13:31] <foobarry> please check that the feed is correct and that you have a network connection.
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> hmmmmmmm
[13:31] <foobarry> i think the rss file is bad
[13:31] <foobarry> can u give me a known good rss link?
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> but ok in other distros!
[13:32] <foobarry> really?
[13:32] <foobarry> [_LOG_LEVEL_WARN 13:32:01.230493] FeedParser.vala:291: Error opening file https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss
[13:32] <SuperEngineer> ubuntu mate 15.10
[13:32] <foobarry> [_LOG_LEVEL_INFO 13:32:01.230537] Library.vala:329: New podcast found to be null.
[13:32] <foobarry> vocal uses different code. written in vala
[13:33] <SuperEngineer> or was it denied access and therefore found nothing?
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> if not, python & vala both failing
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> must be a different library needed somewhere is my current thought but at that point, I dead end
[13:34] <foobarry> i copied the rss file to an http server
[13:34] <foobarry> failed
[13:35] <foobarry> so bad file, that some distro are able to parse?
[13:35] <SuperEngineer> velly interlestink!!!
[13:36] <SuperEngineer> thatidea ... a definite possibilty as this is now longer just my fail!
[13:38] <SuperEngineer> Could it be any thing to do with [lv's] switch to open https cert project me wonders... all ok immediately before
[13:38] <foobarry> https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxvoice.com%2Fpodcast_mp3.rss
[13:38] <foobarry> thinks so.
[13:39] <foobarry> also
[13:39] <foobarry> see my pm
[13:39] <foobarry> where i copied the file
[13:39] <SuperEngineer> just copying that link.. time to get back in touch with Wimpey!
[13:40] <foobarry> looks bad for 2 reasons
[13:40] <foobarry> 1) ssl
[13:40] <foobarry> 2) doesn't parse v well
[13:40] <SuperEngineer> bullseye... the open cert!
[13:41] <SuperEngineer> ...only readable by some stuff, not all stuff? [or corrupt cert?]
[13:42] <foobarry> well 2) might fail to parse.
[13:42] <foobarry> try something like the linux action show rss and it parses fine
[13:42] <foobarry> linuxvoice has multiple errors
[13:42] <brobostigon> raiders, bbc1, in a minute.
[13:43] <foobarry> openssl s_client -ssl3 -connect www.linuxvoice.com:443
[13:44] <foobarry> also check bug 1475228
[13:47] <foobarry> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=linuxvoice.com&hideResults=on is happy with the site
[13:48] <foobarry> "I don't get this issue in wget, curl or openssl
[13:48] <foobarry> But I do get this issue in python"
[13:48] <foobarry> thats mentioned in bug 861137
[16:03] <mapps> 2 eps left on fargo;
[16:03] <mapps> :D
[17:23] <davmor2> foobarry: do you happen to know which lib the app is using I've hit similar issues with software center and with epiphany (gnome web) which use the strict gnu ssl utils
[17:42] <diddledan> why did I miss this around election time?! https://www.facebook.com/thegreenparty/videos/10152735542355785/
[17:44] <diddledan> you can feel free to ignore the promotion of the greens, it's the song that's awesome
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, you missed it because you weren't eating your greens
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> he couldn't eat a whole politican...
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> lol
[18:01] <penguin42> politicians vary a lot in how much meat they have
[18:02] <zmoylan-pi> but green ones lean towards stringy...
[18:03] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh but healthier than eating red meat
[18:03] <SuperEngineer> they may vary in meat but not so much in how much content they have
[18:04] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno tofu fed doesn't sound good...
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> [although they *do* seem to have the same type of content]
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> not saying what that content is. This is a family channel ;-)
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> moooooooooo
[18:05] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I just assumed the commons served a lot of beans
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> you got the idea penguin42
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> Bacteria that resist the antibiotic of last resort colistin have been discovered in the UK.
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> but, they spelt "privacy" incorrectly!
[20:03] <foobarry> aarghh dedrm on ubuntu and kindle for windows is ridiculous
[20:03] <foobarry> i've done it once before, unsure why it no longer works
[20:03] <foobarry> "Could not retrieve Kindle for Mac/PC key.
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Amazon might have changed things?
[20:18] <foobarry> possibly
[20:46] <penguin42> http://www.ebuyer.com/709697-sandisk-plus-120gb-sataiii-2-5inch-ssd-sdssda-120g-g25
[20:47] <directhex> i got a £150 1T sandisk from dabs
[20:47] <directhex> i think sandisk are purging old ranges through the channel
[20:47] <penguin42> nod, I got the ~£28 120 through dabs
[20:48] <penguin42> ah, but ebuyer don't have any free shipping
[20:50] <penguin42> oh but they do if you're over #50 and the discount code applies to multiple items
[20:58] <penguin42> right, that's 2 of those ordered, one for this old core2duo, a 120GB SSD should speed it up a lot, and I'll try and persuade my dad to use one
[20:58] <daftykins> just in case it wasn't obvious, Microsoft's System Center Virtual Machine Mangler (SCVMM) and Hyper-V are horrible :)
[20:59] <penguin42> daftykins: Since I get paid for qemu/kvm dev (but not the management side of it) I would be interesting in knowing what in particular is so broken on them
[21:00] <daftykins> well, requiring the host running SCVMM to be a domain controller, with SQL Server to even install the product is a real pain
[21:00] <daftykins> after that, to have the Hyper-V host make use of a shared ISO required some permissions dancing that didn't seem to be necessary
[21:01] <penguin42> the shared ISO one is a bit odd
[21:01] <penguin42> and you'd expect it to be able to use an existing domain controller
[21:01] <daftykins> well i don't have one as i'm just running this at home for testing
[21:01] <penguin42> ah ok, so I guess they expect you to be 'enterprise'
[21:02] <daftykins> pretty much!
[21:02] <daftykins> also went down the SQL Express 2012 route before discovering express isn't allowed
[21:02] <penguin42> not enterprise....
[21:03] <daftykins> ;)
[21:03] <daftykins> well, standard editions of Windows Server and SQL Server are ok
[21:04] <daftykins> i'm using evaluation copies of everything atm to test
[21:04] <penguin42> and then put it into production and everything explodes in a few weeks?
[21:05] <daftykins> basically my old College has had a Hyper-V host for the IT lecturing department to use for a few years now, though back in 2008 i said Hyper-V and SCVMM were so pants they weren't appropriate, however the IT support boss was pushing it in order to experiment in the teaching staffs' server before using it himself
[21:05] <daftykins> *on the teaching...
[21:05] <daftykins> i've been asked now, years later, to manage that server
[21:06] <diddledan> err. so they want you to support something you told them you wouldn't support?!
[21:06] <daftykins> i need to have a chat with my ol' lecturer colleague to find out where it's lacking and what he needs really, but thought i'd get a jump start
[21:06] <diddledan> that's fun
[21:07] <daftykins> well i was IT support myself back then, but i later quit
[21:07] <daftykins> now it'd be a new role of a technician on the lecturing side, i think
[21:07] <daftykins> the head of IT lecturing just simply doesn't have enough time to get to grips with all this i think
[21:08] <daftykins> when i taught there myself 4 years back, i was trying to switch it to VMware instead, as i found a free educational license system
[21:08] <daftykins> unfortunately bureaucracy and staff politics got in the way
[21:11] <daftykins> it'll be interesting to see how they're running it now anyway, when i was teaching they had the VM storage on a single 1TB disk and the OS installed on a RAID10 array ;) totally backwards.
[21:12] <daftykins> the head of IT support tried to blame me for when i was there in 2008, but server 2008 R2 didn't exist at that time - so it was impossible for me to have misconfigured a future OS :D
[21:12] <daftykins> plus i know RAID just fine
[21:26] <daftykins> and now, for food!
[21:26] <diddledan> that's a good idea
[22:41] <daftykins> penguin42: do you think a KVM setup is appropriate to regular spin-ups of a class-load of different OSs for kids to work on?
[22:41] <daftykins> they kinda need their own control over start/stop really
[22:47] <penguin42> daftykins: qemu/kvm can do that, the tricky bit is setting it up so that they each can't nuke each others VMs;  there are loads of front ends to it; I'm not sure which is easiest to do that with
[22:48] <daftykins> mmm, i feel like the user accounts on VMware would make this easiest
[22:49] <daftykins> to my mind ESX would just be $client_program (on all users' systems) -> server ; done.
[22:49] <penguin42> daftykins: I suspect proxmox can do it
[22:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Or a one machine openstack setup, but I suspect that's possibly too complex
[22:51] <daftykins> mmm, i don't even know how my fellow lecturer gets around licensing hassle for the OSs the students install
[22:51] <daftykins> at best most Windows clients would give you that 30 day period then that'd be it (although some can be tricked to extend to 120 days)
[23:03]  * zmoylan-pi learned spreadsheets in 80s on illegal lotus 123 clone called vp planner :-)
[23:05] <Azelphur> Hey folks, question someone here may know about, I haven't been paid salary in 2 months so I'm going to find a new job, do I have to give notice to my current employer?
[23:05] <Azelphur> Was hoping to not give him notice in the hopes that he actually pays me.
[23:07] <daftykins> the 'murican? :( hrmm not worth calling up first?
[23:08] <daftykins> depends on your contract i guess
[23:08] <Azelphur> daftykins: calling up? I've been asking to be paid for months, over a week now I've been refusing to work until I get paid
[23:09] <Azelphur> Had partial payment for Sep-Oct, nothing for Oct-Nov and nothing for Nov-Dec. Left me penniless for christmas, so yea screw that :P
[23:09] <daftykins> >_<
[23:09] <penguin42> Azelphur: I think you need to ask a legal person; but I'd write a letter saying that they're in breach of contract and you therefor believe you don't need to give notice
[23:10] <penguin42> Azelphur: And then file a small-claims court thing asking for the money
[23:10] <Azelphur> penguin42: well the idea was to find a new job and keep them in the dark, so that they think I'm still an employee and eventually pay me
[23:10] <Azelphur> (and then once I have everything they owe me, say goodbye and tell them I already have a new job)
[23:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: No, I don't think that's a good idea; once you actually start a new job it would be very messy
[23:11] <Azelphur> I see
[23:11] <Azelphur> suppose that means giving notice then
[23:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: if they've not paid you I say that you ask whether they're solvent and if not ask whether they should wind themselves up
[23:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: Do they have money?
[23:12] <Azelphur> I see
[23:12] <Azelphur> amusingly my boss just sent me another message promising me payment tomorrow, don't trust it worth a light though, as I say been months of excuses :)
[23:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: At the moment they're the only one whose done anything wrong, so if you keep it strictly like that you're in a much better position; if they don't pay you again though I don't see why you should have to give notice
[23:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: But you must tell them if you stop working for them
[23:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: still, IANAL
[23:14] <Azelphur> penguin42: again? they are 3 months behind, one was partially paid, two haven't been paid at all
[23:14] <Azelphur> how many times do they need to not pay me xD
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> does uk have a citizen advice bureau?  might be a place to ask questions?
[23:14] <penguin42> yes
[23:14] <Azelphur> yea good idea
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> you'd want to contact them sharpish before crimbo
[23:16] <penguin42> Azelphur: But I'm just saying that you should make sure you look as spotless as possible, dont give anyone any reason to make you look like it's your fault
[23:16] <Azelphur> penguin42: yea fair enough
[23:16] <Azelphur> will do
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> and they might even have a website that has a decent faq
[23:33] <diddledan> thought you all might find this fun: http://www.techworm.net/2015/12/microsoft-wants-you-to-train-using-its-rival-linux.html
[23:35] <daftykins> this site is so poorly worded, ermagerd
[23:35] <daftykins> something i found odd about Hyper-V, it doesn't support audio... you have to RDP into clients to get working sound.


[00:41] <nhandler> Based on what NRWlion had to say, I see no reason for the touchlay stuff to be on the fridge. I'll shoot them an email and remove it
[10:05] <NRWlion> hi
[14:56] <holstein> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[14:56] <holstein> ^^ is this what we are working with??
[15:03]  * NRWlion has no idea
[15:40] <holstein> anyone around and want to help with the newz?
[15:40] <NRWlion> holstein: anything urgent?
[15:41] <holstein> depends
[15:42] <holstein> maybe i'll just summarize whats there, and see if anyone comes along
[15:42] <holstein> im going to be busy for a bit anyways...
[15:43] <NRWlion> holstein: ill speed up with my topics and may be able to assist later
[15:44] <holstein> NRWlion: :)
[16:49] <nhandler> I just added a todo list for this issue to the gdoc. Feel free to edit it as you complete items
[16:52] <holstein> nhandler: cool
[18:25] <NRWlion> holstein: need to have a break may be back later. but for now i put myself in front of tv to watch asterix movie
[18:25] <NRWlion> cu
[21:13] <NRWlion> hey there
[21:13] <NRWlion> is there still anything to sum up or so?


[18:00] <thomi> Anyone wants to join us for the autopilot round table: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYefvyhwZkYh6Bj1VOERupZlRMs8Ed65ToX6KaLeueMdVduAVA?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:01] <thomi> barry-uds: you may want to join us?
[18:14] <sergiusens> mzanetti is the only person that ever used it
[18:14] <sergiusens> use the app developer list
[18:15] <sergiusens> elopio, thomi there's an app developer list
[18:15] <sergiusens> where the app guys are
[18:15] <sergiusens> not all of them are on the phone list
[18:15] <barry> sergiusens: different than ubuntu-phone?
[18:15] <balloons> sergiusens, the core apps list or something else?
[18:15] <sergiusens> yeah, that one
[18:15] <sergiusens><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:16] <sergiusens> perhaps both; wo get btoh halves
[18:16] <sergiusens> *two
[18:16] <sergiusens> *both
[18:16]  * sergiusens should of just rewritten the whole sentence
[18:17]  * balloons 's dog says hi
[18:17] <alesage> "feature coverage", e.g.
[18:19] <sergiusens> thomi, do you want coverage for stories or code? and if code; is it supposed to aggregate with unit tests et.al.
[18:19] <alesage> the concept of "experiences" has come to the fore, maybe that'd be a more useful mapping
[18:19] <thomi> sergiusens: yup, we want coverage for workflow, not code
[18:19] <thomi> and you shoul d*never* aggregate coverage for different test levels :)
[18:20] <sergiusens> thomi, well; my next point was aggregating wasn't useful unless you like looking at colors :-P
[18:21] <sergiusens> but nothing else from a dev perspective
[18:21] <thomi> right :)
[18:21] <sergiusens> so good :-)
[18:35] <sergiusens> thomi, elopio you will need to do it through envvars and intervene with upstart app launch
[18:35] <sergiusens> u-a-l only allows APP_ID and _APP_URI
[18:36] <elopio> sergiusens: which are the envvars that decide the window size?
[18:36] <sergiusens> yes; you need to change qmlscene perhaps; but you can't pass arguments easily in that contained environment
[18:37] <sergiusens> elopio, oh, no envvars for that; but bill was talking about full sceen/non fullscreen for launching apps in a seesion from yesterday or the day before
[18:37] <alesage> OT but I'm enjoying watching the kiwi dawn breaking through thomi's window :)
[18:38] <thomi> alesage: it's nice out there
[18:39] <alesage> is there a blueprint for vis or some such (even if old)?
[18:39] <thomi> alesage: nope
[18:40] <DanChapman_uds> balloons: I don't use it anymore :-) it's too awkward with the amount of trees
[18:41] <balloons> oO hey DanChapman_uds :-) Anything else you want to comment on?
[18:41] <balloons> want to hop in to chat ?
[18:41] <alesage> concerning querying, I know that XPath-type selections are possible with autopilot but maybe someone do a mini-tutorial on that at some point
[18:42] <DanChapman_uds> can't jump in, unless the sounds of screaming children is welcomed :-)
[18:43] <elopio> DanChapman_uds: I always have a barking dog, you and your children are welcome :)
[18:43] <balloons> DanChapman_uds, any comments on using autopilot, feedback, features, etc, all welcome :)
[18:43] <balloons> and yes, background noise is fine, hah
[18:44] <alesage> maybe people just have to learn that, if they need the power, e.g.
[18:45] <DanChapman_uds> balloons: i'm  a happy man with autopilot since thomi implemented the delayed assertions. That's the only feature i've really wanted :-)
[18:45] <thomi> :)
[18:46] <balloons> http://qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:54] <alesage> lazy evaluation
[18:55] <alesage> makes sense :) thanks gents
[18:56] <veebers> balloons: I see your dog made a background  appearance in the last  5 seconds :-)
[18:56] <balloons> veebers, :-) yes


[12:00] <daviator> hello guys
[12:01] <daviator> do anyone know any software to burn mdx file on linux?


[01:28] <quidnunc> After upgrading to Mantic thumbnails are no longer created for mp4 files. What should I look at to try to debug that?
[11:42] <holzkopf> i cannot boot ubuntu 23.10 via pxe/nfs
[11:42] <holzkopf> the kernel/initrd from the latest netboot tarball works with the 23.04 files fine but not with the 23.10 files.
[11:45] <holzkopf> https://p.logout.de/?d042135816551378#EBkS37DHwoXZaqHht8GoouPXEAMwoPiqZgWN4UnsWw43
[13:25] <holzkopf> i was wrong - the 23.10 kernel+initrd does not boot a nfs squashfs


[05:58] <sakthi> Hi, i have a query reg creating network connection using netplan..Do i need to bring the network device online and apply netplan or vice-versa?