[01:48] <amagee> Hey i've recently upgraded to ubuntu 13.04 using xubuntu-desktop and now whenever I log in to an xfce or xubuntu session, I get spontaneously logged out within about 30 seconds or a few clicks. Any ideas how to debug and fix this? I'm having to resort to using unity!
[03:43] <_Dirk_> ubuntu webiste suggested that if i have 1gig of ram or less to set the permiters of separate partition for virtual memory, called the swap from 60 to 10....  my comp was a little sluggish before (video wouldskip and lag) so i did change the perimiters as suggested and my machine was almost at a standstill (barely able to open the terminal to change the settings back).....   when i changed them i just for shits changed it to 80 and
[03:44] <bazhang> no cursing _Dirk_
[03:44] <_Dirk_> i rebooted and changed the perimeters to 95, rebooted and video doesn't lag at all... my machine runs more efficently doing the opposite of what ubuntu suggested... does anyone know why?
[03:45] <xubuntu444> i am new to the xubuntu system im trying to get my netflix to work on my comp and it wont run
[03:45] <bazhang> http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/   xubuntu444
[03:54] <_Dirk_> nobody?
[03:54] <bazhang> patience _Dirk_
[03:55] <_Dirk_> sorry i'm used to the ubuntu room where i guess more people hang out or, something
[03:55] <_Dirk_> i'm not finding my answer on google
[03:56] <bullgard4> _Dirk_: I do not know what "permiters" are.
[03:57] <_Dirk_> parameters... spelling
[03:59] <bullgard4> _Dirk_: Still I do not understand your problem fully. Try to tell precisely what Ubuntu suggested and how you measured sluggishness.
[04:02] <xubuntu444> google suck when you are looking up something for ubuntu
[04:02] <bullgard4> xubuntu444: hahaha
[04:03] <_Dirk_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724975/.... the directions i followed
[04:04] <xubuntu444> because have been looking on how to get my netflix to play on my comp for 3 days and still no success to get netflix to play
[04:05] <xubuntu444> i have tried to get it to work with the compholio thing and still nothing\
[04:05] <_Dirk_> i cant get any comedy central videos to play either... youtube works does it for u?
[04:06] <xubuntu444> yeah but i dont want to watch you tube all the time
[04:07] <xubuntu444> is there another thing like netflix besides
[04:07] <xubuntu444> youtube
[04:08] <holstein> _Dirk_: nothing about your swap file size or settings with make your graphics card better, or better supported, or "faster"
[04:08] <_Dirk_> ya me niether i was just asking because i'm having sorta the same problem... everything else plays but can't watch the dailyshow (SUX!!) ... ya there is crackle, hulu, a bunch
[04:08] <holstein> _Dirk_: if you have older hardware, you might not be able to do so
[04:09] <holstein> i usually try the actual google chrome browser.. not chromium.. as a troubleshooting step.. that is the only way to get the current flash in linux
[04:09] <_Dirk_> HOLSTEIN.... ya but from what i gathered it was supposed to free up some ram to allow programs to run better...
[04:10] <holstein> _Dirk_: no.. thats not the issue you are having
[04:10] <_Dirk_> linux and flash clash... HTML%
[04:10] <_Dirk_> HTML5
[04:11] <_Dirk_> HOLSTEIN... well i'm not sure what is going on then, but my comp is diffinatly running better... i swtched to xubuntu in hopes of getting rid of some of the lag but it didn't work...
[04:12] <_Dirk_> sorry i should have said that i switched from ubuntu to xubuntu
[04:12] <holstein> _Dirk_: xubuntu is not going to make your hardware any faster
[04:13] <_Dirk_> i was thinking a lighter distro might help
[04:13] <holstein> xfce and lxde can use less resources, and make things seem more responsive, but it doesnt make your hardware any different
[04:14] <holstein> xubuntu444: netflix doesnt officially support linux or ubuntu
[04:14] <holstein> !netflix | xubuntu444 this is how you do it.. and its a hack
[04:14] <_Dirk_> i even debated putting puppy or Lubuntu but those are to striped down for me
[04:15] <holstein> _Dirk_: puppy is not a distro that you install.. lubuntu still has access to the repos and the normal ubuntu user base for support
[04:15] <bazhang> video lag wont be helped by that
[04:16] <_Dirk_> ya i figured that out by trying it... the ubuntu room suggested it
[04:16] <holstein> _Dirk_: the graphics hardware support will not be "better" by changing DE's. or distros
[04:16] <holstein> _Dirk_: how did the vesa driver work?
[04:17] <holstein> _Dirk_: i must have missed where you linked your hardware information.. what device are you using? what operation system? 13.04? 32bit?
[04:19] <_Dirk_> i didnt mess with the versa driver, if i did i don't remember doing it... give me a minute and i'll my hardware 411
[04:20] <holstein> _Dirk_: trying a different graphics driver *will* effect the issues you are trying to address. the vesa driver is a graphics driver i use, and suggest using for troubleshooting purposes
[04:21] <_Dirk_> i used wubi to install ubuntu 12.04, upgraded to 12.10 and swithced to xubuntu desktop... http://imagebin.org/259889
[04:22] <holstein> !nvidia | _Dirk_
[04:22] <holstein> ^^ thats what i refer to
[04:22] <_Dirk_> how do i trouble shoot and go about installing that versa driver? my graphics card stopped working so i'm using my internal graphics on my motherboard which is extremely old
[04:23] <holstein> _Dirk_: as i said, the vesa driver is installed. you just configure it
[04:23] <_Dirk_> how?
[04:23] <holstein> !vesa
[04:23] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/63264/unsupported-video-chipset-how-do-i-force-low-graphics-mode
[04:24] <holstein> ^^ thats the link with a sample xorg.conf
[04:24] <holstein> _Dirk_: you are not going to be able to solve this with software though... thats likely the issue
[04:24] <_Dirk_> i'm using my optimus s sprint phone to connect to the internet so my connection speed is rediculas slow 11m/s
[04:24] <holstein> _Dirk_: what would i do? get a better graphics card at a charity shop for cheap
[04:25] <holstein> or, i would not have expectations of running a modern operating system on older hardware.. or i would run what operating system supports the hardware
[04:29] <_Dirk_> after i paste what is says into the gnu nano File: /etc/X11/xorg.conf      ........ what do i do next.. i pressed enter but it doesn't do anything
[04:29] <holstein> _Dirk_: this is *not* going to help you.. but this is how
[04:30] <_Dirk_> which is what? which operating system do you suggest?
[04:30] <holstein> _Dirk_: you make an xorg.conf for *your* system, and put it in place at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:30] <holstein> _Dirk_: whatever operating system supports that hardware
[04:30] <holstein> _Dirk_: i dont have that hardware.. but i have machines that are newer that have hardware that is not well supported in linux
[04:31] <holstein> i do not watch youtube on them.. they either dont run X, or i use them for specific tasks that work for what they can do
[04:31] <holstein> _Dirk_: you will not download any moder operating system, from anyone that will make that machine run like a new machine
[04:33] <_Dirk_> before my video card stopped working i made flash animations but i was running windows xp... i reinstalled windows and got fed up with trying to find the drivers to get sound so i made the switch to ubuntu about 3 days ago and i love it ... i'm never going back
[04:34] <holstein> _Dirk_: cool.. then, consider the other option.. i got a card at a chartiy shop for $10 us.. works great with the newer nvidia drivers i linked above
[04:34] <_Dirk_> in 2001 this machine was top of the line... why can't i just run my machine like people did in the 90's
[04:34] <_Dirk_> ten bux is pretty cheap i can swing that
[04:35] <holstein> _Dirk_: i think if you were to install windows 2000 on there, you would find the driver support great..
[04:35] <holstein> you *can* run your machine like folks did in the 90's.. but you wont get to the web that we have now with it, and run all the latest whizz-bang stuff
[06:54] <amagee> -ChanServ- [#xubuntu] Welcome to #xubuntu. This channel is logged. <--- where?
[06:56] <elfy> amagee: at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <amagee> ah cool, thanks
[06:58] <elfy> welcome
[10:18] <xubuntu328> so i trust xubuntu should be fine on a samsung n145 plus 10.1" ?
[10:21] <flux242> I have xubuntu 12.04 on samsung n10. It's kinda slow
[10:22] <xubuntu328> is it an atom processor with 1gb ram?
[10:22] <xubuntu328> I'll remove everything i dont need ofc
[10:23] <flux242> xubuntu328: no, you'll still have lots of crap installed
[10:24] <flux242> like you cannot remove zeitgeist without removing catfish
[10:25] <xubuntu328> this pcf will just be used to read the news, listen to music, and chat while im on the toilet
[10:25] <cfhowlett> xubuntu328, TMI ...
[10:25] <xubuntu328> I'll see if im going to try out lubuntu too
[10:25] <xubuntu328> sry :P
[10:26] <flux242> xp works better with this hw
[10:26] <xubuntu328> it came with windows 7
[10:27] <xubuntu328> this n145 p
[10:28] <flux242> xubuntu328: I've written a short article about minimal xubuntu installation.
[10:28] <xubuntu328> Would you kindly msg me it? :)
[10:30] <flux242> flux242.blogspot.com Should be the second link from the beginning
[10:31] <xubuntu328> thanks alot
[10:44] <xubuntu328> Well hdd space is no problem, its the ram and cpu usage im worrying about
[10:44] <flux242> the less processes you have running the faster the system
[10:45] <xubuntu328> exactly
[10:45] <xubuntu328> and more battery time
[10:45] <flux242> that's what minimal system offers
[10:45] <flux242> battery live is pretty bad with ubuntu I must say
[10:46] <xubuntu328> Yep, i took a quick a look at the guide
[10:46] <flux242> even with all the hacks I've added
[10:46] <xubuntu328> most likely will try it
[10:47] <xubuntu328> I<ve got another much better laptop, so this is just for fun :)
[10:47] <xubuntu328> and normally i use a desktop
[10:49] <flux242> win7 works approximately 1 hour longer than ubunty with the same hw.
[10:49] <flux242> simply surfing
[12:32] <pepijn___> I created a 30gb partition on my 16gb disk for Windows 8 and am now installing xubuntu with the "alongside windows 8" opeion. what will this do with regard to disk layout?
[12:32] <pepijn___> I wanted to give another 30gb to xubuntu and have the rest for files and stuff
[12:33] <cfhowlett> pepijn___, it will install ubuntu to the new partition and, ideally, create a grub menu for you to select an OS on bootup
[12:33] <cfhowlett> pepijn___, wait, what
[12:33] <pepijn___> What I hope it's *not* doing now is resizing the windows partition or puting ubuntu in a iso file
[12:33] <pepijn___> 160gb
[12:33] <cfhowlett> pepijn___, you created a 30 g partition on a 16 g disk?
[12:34] <pepijn___> missed a zero ;)
[12:34] <pepijn___> cfhowlett: what is "the new partition" in this case?
[12:34] <cfhowlett> pepijn___, ok.  but you WILL need to resize your windows partition so you can use the empty partition for ubuntu.  by default, windows owns the whole HDD.
[12:35] <pepijn___> My windows install is not default, it lives on a 3gb partition currently, with the rest of the disk unalocated
[12:35] <pepijn___> 30
[12:36] <cfhowlett> pepijn___, you really don't like 0, do you.  OK, creating a partition from unallocated space will NOT resize your windows partition.
[12:37] <pepijn___> I know, but the point is that I did not tell xubuntu what to do. It just went ahead and did something
[12:37] <elfy> then you should have used Something Else which is the manual partition setup method
[12:37] <pepijn___> so if it created a new partition in the unalocated space, all is good
[12:38] <pepijn___> if it did something bad to my windows partition, that's not good
[12:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> gonna be a noobish question, but how can you tell if your cpu is overclocked? reason I ask is I have the cpufreq-plugin on my dash and it tops out at 2.8ghz, so I'm curious if the scaling of the cpu is due to over/undeclocking or if I can still push it harder.
[12:38] <elfy> if you used 'alongside' then it will be trying shrink as far as I know
[12:38] <elfy> pepijn___: ^^
[12:38] <pepijn___> \:(
[12:38] <pepijn___> ok, i'll need to fix that :(
[12:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> pepijn___: which is why wizards should be avoided XD
[12:38] <pepijn___> nah, wizards should explain what they are going to do
[12:39] <elfy> pepijn___: do NOT just turn it off
[12:39] <pepijn___> I'd rather have a wizard than do teh whole arch linux thing again
[12:39] <pepijn___> elfy: no, I'll just let it do its thing and then fix everything  :/
[12:39] <elfy> pepijn___: installing from something else is easy if you understand partitions :)
[12:39] <elfy> pepijn___: good :)
[12:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> iirc it does, but arch *does* have a wizard, of sorts. its not like you're compiling your distro from source XD
[12:40] <elfy> sorry cfhowlett - looked like I was barging in :)
[12:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> elfy: yep, I always use something else, keeps my separate $HOME partition safe
[12:41] <pepijn___> I definitelly should have clicked something else :/
[12:43] <elfy> yep
[12:44] <elfy> used to be called Manual or something like that
[12:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> pepijn___: ah well, you live and learn. count this off as a lesson. you can take a cab, but they may take a longer route for a better fair. drive yourself :D
[12:49] <cfhowlett> elfy, no worries.  always glad to have a 2nd opinion
[12:49]  * elfy too
[13:26] <pepijn___> itactually did install in the empty space on the disk
[13:26] <pepijn___> better than expected :)
[13:27] <pepijn___> but I'd like to shrink that space and I can't boot from the usb drive anymore
[13:27] <elfy> that's not what I expect to happen if you choose install alongside - though it suits you
[13:29] <pepijn___> Üse of uninitiated value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf.pm
[13:29] <pepijn___> that's the last message when I press ESC during the spinning thing while it boots
[13:30] <elfy> you tried again I assume?
[13:30] <pepijn___> yes
[13:31] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid - though it's the type of thing I'd not waste time on and just redo the image on the drive
[13:31] <pepijn___> :)
[13:31]  * elfy is a pragmatist
[13:35] <pepijn___> weird, on the installed system it pops up a bedcomf window
[13:36] <pepijn___> or rather it flashes and disappears again
[13:44] <pepijn___> what is a good fs type to use for sharing stuff between windows and linux?
[13:45] <pepijn___> I hope the answer is not FAT, but maybe that's still the case
[13:45] <elfy> to share between them I'd use ntfs
[13:45] <pepijn___> ok, xubuntu can write ntfs in a stable manner nowadays?
[13:46] <pepijn___> I havn't used windows in a long time, so it used to be that ntfs was read-only or at least not very stable.
[14:42] <kos_tom> hello
[14:42] <kos_tom> has the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1055810 been fixed ?
[14:42] <kos_tom> I've just switched from Xubuntu 12.04 to 13.04, and this bug is horribly annoying.
[14:55] <bekks> kos_tom: The status of the bug (as can be seen in your link) indicates it hasnt been fixed yet.
[14:56] <kos_tom> the problem is fixed upstream by http://git.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/commit/?id=9dfbc906f89601f145557fe6846e9ad44a8e9e22 apparently
[14:56] <kos_tom> wouldn't it be possible to backport this patch into Xubuntu packages?
[14:57] <bekks> kos_tom: You could add that as a comment to the bug, so the maintainer doesnt have to search for that again once the bug is assigned.
[14:59] <kos_tom> also, I'm affected by a strange bug
[14:59] <kos_tom> at the graphical login prompt
[14:59] <kos_tom> if I type with the internal keyboard of the laptop, I get the proper keyboard layout (i.e french azerty for me), but when I type with the USB external keyboard, I get a wrong layout (qwerty)
[15:00] <kos_tom> *however*, as soon as I've typed *one* character with the internal laptop keyboard, then the USB external keyboard has the correct layout
[15:02] <kos_tom> ok, after rebuilding the libxfce4-ui package with the patch I pointed, the first problem is fixed.
[15:02] <kos_tom> an idea for the second bug?
[15:06] <kos_tom> bekks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1055810/comments/15
[15:06] <bekks> kos_tom: Perfect :) That saves a lot of time for the maintainer :)
[15:08] <kos_tom> bekks: I've also attached the backported patch I've done.
[15:08] <kos_tom> now, any idea for the second problem I exposed?
[15:19] <xubuntu087> I recently switched from unity to xfce4. How can I get a zoom plugin for xfce just like ccsm provides for unity?
[18:09] <je_day> Hi there. I am setting up small home media server with xubuntu.  What software I should install?
[18:10] <je_day> Anybody?
[18:11] <je_day> LNCP:  Hi there. I am setting up small home media server with xubuntu.  What software I should install?
[18:12] <LNCP> je_day: Never done home media stuff before, sorry.
[18:12] <je_day> Ok thx
[18:12] <je_day> anyway
[18:13] <je_day> LNCP:  do you have any idea who is the pro there?
[18:14] <LNCP> No. You generally just wait for someone to respond instead of questioning people directly.
[18:15] <je_day> OK, It's my first time in this type of communities so thanks you for support.
[18:15] <pleia2> je_day: it really depends on what you're trying to do :) music? movies? audio? what outputs?
[18:15] <pleia2> the folks in #ubuntu-mythtv know a lot though, they have a whole ubuntu-based distro around it (based on 12.04)
[18:15] <pleia2> that's very tv-focused though
[18:16] <je_day> pleia2:  All kind of media but mostly movies
[18:16] <pleia2> is it connected to a tv, or just a file server serving media via dlna or something?
[18:16] <je_day> second type
[18:17] <pleia2> I have a "media server" but all it does is serve the media, my tv has native dlna so it can see it on the network
[18:17] <pleia2> I use mediatomb
[18:17] <pleia2> it's not great, but it works
[18:18] <je_day> got it
[18:18] <je_day> How do subtitles work with it?
[18:18] <pleia2> I don't know
[18:19] <pleia2> they have a channel at #mediatomb though
[18:19] <je_day> ok
[18:19] <Sysi> that's just for dlna, if you want for example windows shares you'll need samba
[18:20] <je_day> My xubuntu setup endend and goona restart. Thx for support. Maybe i will be back.
[18:21] <dbb> hi all - I have a really dump question.. I have a VM running and the date is out of sync by 20 hours due to downtime.. the Date and Time pref says synch automatically, but its clearlynow.. when I tried ntpdate it says "no servers can be used" and exits
[18:21] <dbb> what to do?
[18:21] <dbb> s/dump/dumb/
[18:22] <dbb> clearly not...
[18:22] <pleia2> dbb: the ntpdate command requires you to specify a server
[18:22] <dbb> suggestion for a server name?
[18:23] <pleia2> could use one of the ubuntu ones, like 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org
[18:23] <dbb> why is it not synching do you think?
[18:23] <pleia2> (they are 0-3)
[18:23] <dbb> thx
[18:23] <pleia2> ntp is running?
[18:23] <dbb> ps aux | grep ntp     perhaps
[18:23] <dbb> yeah nothing
[18:23] <pleia2> so in order for it to keep time, you need a service running that does that
[18:24] <pleia2> the most common one is ntp
[18:24] <pleia2> (that's the package name)
[18:24] <pleia2> so if you install that, you should be good :)
[18:24] <dbb> sure .. makes sense.. I naivley thought that checking the Accesories box to auto synch would take care of it all
[18:24] <pleia2> I don't really know what that does
[18:25] <dbb> time is one of those things on Linux that is so dense that it makes me want to just skip the whole topic
[18:25] <dbb> personally
[18:25] <dbb> sudo apt-get install ntp => ntp is already at the newest version
[18:25] <pleia2> so when I select "keep syncronized with internet servers" I get a warning saying ntp is not installed
[18:26] <dbb> see!
[18:26] <pleia2> you need to install it
[18:26] <dbb> didnt I just try that above?
[18:26] <pleia2> sorry, I just read that
[18:26] <pleia2> please be patient, I'm a volunteer and I'm trying to help :(
[18:26] <dbb> np
[18:26] <pleia2> so type this: service ntp start
[18:27] <dbb> I drank coffee - I am typing fast ;-)
[18:27] <pleia2> err: sudo service ntp start
[18:27] <dbb> trying...
[18:27] <dbb> ooohhh ahhhhh
[18:27] <dbb> why that was not already going.. no clue.. but that appeared to do something
[18:28] <pleia2> not sure, maybe it crashed or something?
[18:28] <dbb> yeah - fyi what I do with this VM is move it back and forth with me where I go to work
[18:28] <dbb> so its off then on on differrnt VirtualBox hosts
[18:29] <dbb> ok, I'll check back on it later.. thx!
[18:29] <pleia2> sure, good luck
[18:29] <dbb> XUbuntu is working really well for me.. general thx for that too
[18:32] <xubuntu252> hello guys
[18:32] <xubuntu252> im new here
[18:33] <pleia2> !ask
[18:33] <xubuntu252> im about to try for the first time xubuntu
[18:33] <xubuntu252> but
[18:33] <pleia2> :)
[18:33] <xubuntu252> can i install it from a flash drive instead from a cd?
[18:33] <pleia2> yes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:33] <xubuntu252> thanks a lot
[18:34] <xubuntu252> i thought i need to convert the iso into something, thanks again
[18:44] <xubuntu795> hello one last question, where can i download usb creator directly? i just installed from an old cd ubuntu 8.04 but cannot update thats why i downloaded xubuntu iso and i need to install it from a flash drive, you send me a tutorial but the only way i found to download usb creator doesnt work for me because this version is no longer supported in repositories
[18:44] <xubuntu795> in synaptic
[18:48] <Unit193> usb-creator-gtk is the real name of the application, but if it doesn't work you can use unetbootin or dd.
[18:51] <xubuntu795> thanks ill try the other two i only found how to install the first one by synaptic or ubuntu software center and i cant access none of them
[19:01] <xubuntu795> thanks a lot it finally works good luck, bye
[19:30] <zephyr> Panicking: I just attempted to install Windows 7 onto a separate partition but somehow ended up deleting my /home partition!  Could someone please help me out?  How can I restore that partition and its data?
[19:32] <Unit193> !testdisk
[19:32] <Unit193> Well, testdisk is what I'd run to for that.
[19:34] <zephyr> Unit193, run it to analyze for lost partitions?
[19:35] <Unit193> See if you can get anything out of it, yeah.  There are other options too I'd think, but prepare to be lost.
[19:35] <Unit193> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[19:35] <zephyr> ugh.  So frustrating.  All my family's baby photos and videos were on there.
[19:36] <Unit193> Ouch, yeah...
[19:36] <zephyr> I just told Windows to delete a blank partition for its own installation; it cleared the entire disk, not just the partition.
[19:37] <th0r> zephyr: did windows complete the installation?
[19:37] <zephyr> th0r, no.  As soon as I saw that huge chunk of "unallocated space" I backed out of the install.
[19:37] <zephyr> It didn't write anything to the disk
[19:38] <zephyr> And I never formatted or created new partitions over it.
[19:42] <Unit193> zephyr: Seems like testdisk has a higher shot, then.
[19:44] <zephyr> I have testdisk running a scan; hopefully the right one.
[20:17] <contrapunctus> Hey folks. I tried running some programs using 'xfce4-terminal -e program1 -H --tab -e program2 -H'. However, when I close any of those programs, I don't get the...'input prompt'? i.e. I want to be able to hit the up arrow key and enter the same command again, but am not allowed to do that. Please help...
[20:19] <Sysi> try: -e bash programname
[20:22] <contrapunctus> Sysi - Same :(
[21:56] <zephyr> So, I'm using testdisk to attempt to recover a couple accidentally deleted partitions.  However, the partition I'm most concerned with has been listed a LOT of times, all with different start, end, and size values.  Where  do I go from here?
[23:17] <halawany> please i have installed an application then i couldnt find it tell me how to find it
[23:18] <Unit193> What one?
[23:19] <halawany> aircrack-ng
[23:19] <Unit193> That's not a graphical program
[23:20] <halawany> ok how to run it
[23:22] <Unit193> !terminal
[23:26] <halawany> ok whats the command shoul i use to run it
[23:27] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/aircrack-ng Could try reading the options here.
[23:29] <halawany> thanks bro i will read the topic thanks for help :)
[23:30] <Unit193> Sure.
[23:50] <haydenbbickerton> testing...testing...
[23:52] <knome> haydenbbickerton, test not working. missing support question. exiting. beep.
[23:53] <haydenbbickerton> *computer explodes*


[19:57] <dekatch> hi, any chance to get unbanned? bazhang you there? we had that discussion about something i already kinda forgot. and i guess i insulted you. dont really know why i am banned that long. back then somebody said i just got muted. so whats the matter about my ban?
[19:57] <dekatch> or why am i still muted? i can join the channel so i am not banned then. but i cant talk for quite some time
[19:57] <ikonia> hey
[19:58] <ikonia> can you give me a minute to see what happened please
[19:58] <dekatch> yea ofc. thanks
[19:58] <ikonia> will be with you in a minute
[20:00] <ikonia> dekatch: your behaviour is a bit odd
[20:00] <ikonia> you seem to ramble then get abusive
[20:00] <dekatch> i have that backlog. i said something about apple
[20:01] <ikonia> there is also an event similar in 2012 where you did the same too
[20:01] <dekatch> didnt really insult individuals and then i had to discuss it with bazhang . it got heated...
[20:01] <ikonia> it's nothing to really do with that one comment with apple
[20:01] <dekatch> usually i am only there to discuss ubuntu related stuff.
[20:01] <ikonia> it's the fact that you went on about budgie, didn't really read any of the links, made an apple reference for no real reason then starting typing things like FUCK into the channnel
[20:02] <dekatch> yea. i see. it was stupid
[20:02] <ikonia> what's going on ? why do you do it ?
[20:02] <dekatch> i cant remember having said anything bad about budgie tho
[20:02] <ikonia> you didn't
[20:02] <dekatch> in fact i prefer the budgie theme
[20:02] <ikonia> you wanted it to work in a way that wasn't possible
[20:03] <ikonia> and seemed to ignore the documentation that was given to you then kept asking
[20:03] <dekatch> didnt get that answere tho :) wanted ubuntu lts with budgie theme yea.
[20:03] <ikonia> once you realised it wasnt going to work you went off on a rant about apple
[20:03] <dekatch> uhm somebody posted me a documentation oO. must have missed that
[20:04] <ikonia> no you didn't
[20:04] <ikonia> you said you had read it
[20:04] <ikonia> and clearly hadn't
[20:04] <ikonia> 2018-01-24T08:19:12 <bazhang> dekatch, did you check the link and read it yet
[20:04] <ikonia> 2018-01-24T08:19:29 <dekatch> not fully. just to make sure
[20:04] <dekatch> i am not a troll ikonia . that i used profanity was bad. i will apologize for it.
[20:05] <ikonia> I don't think you're a troll, I'm just trying to understand what happened here
[20:05] <dekatch> but i usually try to ask things that make sense
[20:05] <ikonia> why did you just ignore the info - but say you had
[20:05] <ikonia> why did you go off on a random rant about apple
[20:05] <ikonia> why did you randomly swear
[20:05] <dekatch> uff, cant remember that.
[20:05] <ikonia> it's odd behaviour, and if you say you are not a troll, there must be a reason for this
[20:06] <dekatch> because i literally hate apple and their pholosophy.
[20:06] <ikonia> you just decided
[20:06] <ikonia> right, but no-one was talking about apple
[20:06] <ikonia> to give you context again, your logs from 2012
[20:06] <ikonia> 2012-04-02T15:35:25 <dekatch> wow the fukk! now i am pissed! ill gtfo here thx bazhang for your advice and patience !
[20:07] <ikonia> you appear to not like information you're given and start swearing
[20:07] <dekatch> from 2012- what?
[20:07] <ikonia> thats a cut and paste from a log in 2012
[20:07] <ikonia> of you
[20:07] <dekatch> ouch ^^.. and witht the same person xx
[20:07] <ikonia> yes
[20:07] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking what's going on
[20:08] <ikonia> it's odd behaviour
[20:08] <dekatch> dunno, there was a time when i liked apple
[20:08] <ikonia> this is nothing to do with apple
[20:08] <ikonia> see what I mean - we are talking about your behaviour and you randomly reference apple
[20:08] <dekatch> but i think and i could bring example of why would say they are connectec to scientology and neo facism.
[20:08] <dekatch> but no
[20:08] <dekatch> that one would get to harsh
[20:08] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?
[20:09] <ikonia> no-one is even talking about apple
[20:09] <dekatch> ill not deepen that theorie of mine ill just forget about it
[20:09] <dekatch> cant remember what happened in 2012
[20:09] <ikonia> no, I'm not asking you to
[20:09] <ikonia> I'm giving you another example where you behaviour is the same
[20:09] <ikonia> you join, ask a question, don't like the answer, start swearing
[20:10] <dekatch> that shouldnt by me usual pattern ..xx afraid. but i joined quite often. and also helped from time to time
[20:11] <dekatch> look i am no pro user- i am a casual linux user with some rookie knowledge
[20:11] <ikonia> I'm going to remove the ban on you in ubuntu as you ask,
[20:11] <ikonia> please try to listen to people giving you information, control your language and please, no more random offtopic rants
[20:12] <dekatch> ok thank you ikonia
[20:12] <ikonia> I've removed the ban for you, if you join ubuntu and /part here, you should be fine
[20:14] <dekatch> ok. ill cut all the ot and swearings. thanks


[02:27] <duflu> Wow 0.15.0 is getting quite big now it's rebased on the latest Mir 0.16 code... https://launchpad.net/mir/+milestone/0.15.0
[10:41] <zzarr> hello!
[10:42] <zzarr> is there a fix for the missing mouse cursor on Ubuntu Touch (I have a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition)
[10:56] <greyback> zzarr: it's in progress, we need to finish reviewing it and integrating it
[11:01] <zzarr> so I take it there's no simple solution (like running some magical lines in a terminal)
[11:03] <zzarr> greyback: do you have a clue when it's done?
[11:05] <greyback_> zzarr: within a couple of weeks hopefully
[11:07] <zzarr> that quick, that's impressive :)
[15:35] <alan_g> kdub: is the "MIR_USE_BIONIC" test in 3rd_party/android-input/android/CMakeLists.txt actually useful these days?
[15:42] <kdub> alan_g, no
[15:44] <greyback_> kdub: hey, did you manage to find time to look into the problem I found with multimonitor in silo0?
[15:44] <kdub> yeah, spent the morning on it, no breakhtrough
[15:44] <greyback_> ok, if I can help in any way, let me know
[15:44] <kdub> greyback_, okay, thakns
[16:15] <ted> Really interesting demo of Vulkan: http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/gnomes-per-second-in-vulkan-and-opengl-es
[16:17] <ogra_> lol, is gnomes per second the bogomips of graphics engines now ?
[16:19] <ted> I hope so
[23:41] <RAOF> bschaefer: Any reason why we're not talking here, by the way?
[23:41] <RAOF> Probably, yes.
[23:42] <bschaefer> RAOF, o no reason at all
[23:42] <bschaefer> are there any other tests that do this sort of thing? I looked around and this i was the first i saw of a udev record
[23:42] <bschaefer> being used
[23:42] <bschaefer> or rather the load_device_evemu
[23:43] <bschaefer> RAOF, also I cant really test the cookie factory with a demo since the demo uses the android lexer which is in the client code :( for events
[23:43] <RAOF> Yeah, this is the first test that uses it.
[23:43] <RAOF> You might notice that the branch adds the load_device_evemu method :)
[23:44] <bschaefer> o i missed that part :)
[23:56] <bschaefer> RAOF, how can i check 100% that the buffer has been posted and is getting input?
[23:56] <bschaefer> i know i get at lease a surface event right away
[23:56] <bschaefer> and one when the dev is loaded
[23:56]  * bschaefer tries to print those events
[23:57] <RAOF> Check for a mir_surface_focused event.
[23:58] <bschaefer> i do get a surface event let me check what kind


[16:17] <ennui> following the 'Building Unity 8' instructions, cmake fails at "find_package(Qt5Core 5.2 REQUIRED)", though libqt5core5a is installed. it's the exact same error that's described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/625471/installing-dependencies-for-building-unity-8
[16:17] <ennui> any ideas?
[16:55] <JanC> ennui: not sure exactly what you need, but 'libqt5core5a' doesn't contain header files, which I assume cmake is looking for...
[17:06] <JanC> you probably need 'qtbase5-dev' & such
[17:08] <JanC> apt-cache showsrc unity8 | grep Build-Depends
[17:09] <JanC> or to install those dependencies, use: sudo apt-get build-dep unity8
[17:12] <JanC> (didn't try that, but it's what I would try :) )
[17:15] <ennui> JanC: thanks! 'sudo apt-get build-dep unity8' fixed the qt5core error, but I'm getting a bunch of other 'not found' errors. could you have a quick glance?
[17:15] <ennui> http://pastie.org/pastes/10401467#14
[17:17] <ennui> (I'm working with a fresh, up-to-date vivid install and precisely followed all steps in the build guide.)
[17:21] <JanC> to be clear: I've never built unity8, that was just general development info on Debian-based distros
[17:23] <JanC> I assume you are trying to build a current source version of unity8, which might have extra build-dependencies compared to the version in vivid
[17:23] <JanC> or newer versions of build-dependencies
[17:24] <JanC> maybe somebody else can help you with that
[17:24] <ennui> yes, I checked out the current trunk (as suggested). so there's no automatic way to figure out the build dependencies?
[17:25] <JanC> the main developers are more likely to be around during European (or maybe US) business hours on work days
[17:26] <ennui> JanC: okay, I'll ask again tomorrow, then. thank you!
[17:26] <JanC> ennui: the wily source package would probably have more up-to-date build-dependencies
[17:27] <JanC> ennui: see e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/wily/unity8
[17:27] <ennui> JanC: ah, perfect, thanks!
[17:29] <JanC> remember that it might not be possible to build a trunk version of unity8 on vivid without replacing a number of libraries with newer versions etc., which might break existing applications...
[17:31] <JanC> well, build deps won't break vivid, but libraries needed to run could break other apps
[17:32] <JanC> one way around this would be to create a wily chroot and work inside that
[20:38] <ennui> JanC: the unity build worked fine on wily. i'll file a bug about the outdated instructions.


[02:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: is it just me or is the contacts stuff in plasma-netbook broken in natty?
[02:03] <ScottK> Dunno.  Didn't try it.
[02:03] <apachelogger> the contacts runner for that matter also seems to yield no search results
[02:03]  * apachelogger smells incompability
[02:06] <ScottK> Does seem to be some variation of broken
[02:07] <apachelogger> fortunately enough it is very debugable and throws loads of debug output
[02:07] <apachelogger> not
[02:08] <apachelogger> -.-
[02:08]  * apachelogger wants to get rid of install-something-to-get-better-experience notifications for natty
[02:08] <apachelogger> annoying^3
[02:08] <ScottK> I wonder if it's only meant to work with kdepim 4.6?
[02:09] <ScottK> Gotta go.
[02:09] <apachelogger> there surely is something fishy with the combination of akonadi and kdepimlibs
[02:10] <apachelogger> according to kdepimlibs debug output the addressbook file gets loaded and everything
[02:10] <apachelogger> so either the plasma side of things messes up or there is an incompability between kdepimlibs and akonadi and plasma happens to expose it
[02:10] <apachelogger> also solid apparently has threading problems
[02:11] <apachelogger> or maybe it is plasma that does bogus threading
[02:11] <apachelogger> ...
[02:11] <apachelogger> tries to move parented objects to another thread
[02:11] <apachelogger> scary amount of debug output that generates
[02:11] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[02:11] <apachelogger> bed time
[02:13] <apachelogger> oh
[02:13] <apachelogger> and clicking a bookmark while rekonq is open does not give rekonq focus
[02:13] <apachelogger> splendid
[02:13] <apachelogger> half the sal is utterly broken
[02:13] <apachelogger> lovely
[02:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz try plasma-netbook and fix0r focus problems when rekonq is open and one clicks on a bookmark in the sal
[02:14] <apachelogger> nini
[02:37] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck you there?
[02:38] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck just curious as to what things need updating/etc in nattty
[02:46] <jjesse> how many paid canonical employees work on kuubuntu?
[03:24] <c2tarun> there is a report of kdenetwork package failed to build from source on this link http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ but the same version is in repository. How?
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> the current version in the archive seems to have failed too
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: one one
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> *only one.
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: AFAIK whats on the ToDo
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: as far as docs go.
[05:34] <DarkwingDuck> I finally got this week out of the way.
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I'll be back in a couple hours.
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I dont' know if you are awake at the moment but, if I don't catch you today I'll be on tomorrow evening.
[05:37] <c2tarun> JontheEchidna: If the current version in archive also failed, than how is it in archive? I mean how can a package be uploaded in archive when it is failed?
[06:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: We should discuss it with notmart in #plasma-netbook.
[08:41] <bambee> morning
[09:19] <eMyller> weird
[09:19] <eMyller> any ideas why gtk appearance settings doesn't take effect anymore?
[09:19] <eMyller> or is it just me? [hope so]
[09:27] <eMyller> nvm, just like i suspected..
[09:27] <eMyller> somehow, that sh that comes in .kde/env isn't shipped anymore...
[09:27] <eMyller> had to create it manually.
[09:27] <eMyller> gonna test
[09:51] <eMyller> if anyone else needs the info: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115432.0
[09:51] <eMyller> :)
[10:25] <markey> apachelogger: I have the feeling I still have this Render graphics backend enabled, after I had installed you KCM once. getting all sorts of weird rendering bugs
[10:25] <markey> how to disable that manually?
[10:25] <markey> s/you/your
[10:25] <markey> at least with Intel Graphics, Render is shit
[10:25] <markey> only makes things worse
[10:29] <eMyller> btw, what happened to intel gfx support?
[10:29] <markey> I dunno
[10:29] <eMyller> it's working like $*%& since 4.6 :(
[10:29] <markey> but with Core i7, where the GPU is integrated in the CPU, it works pretty well now with KWin from KDE 4.6
[10:29] <markey> fast enough
[10:30] <markey> Render does not improve anything
[10:30] <eMyller> it's fast here too; but the rendering is too lazy
[10:30] <markey> in fact I wonder what the point of it is, if it's half broken
[10:30] <eMyller> i have to move things to get screen updates lol
[10:30] <markey> yeah
[10:30] <markey> what the heck
[10:30] <markey> I mean...
[10:30] <mgraesslin> don't use raster!
[10:30] <markey> wait
[10:31] <markey> stop
[10:31] <markey> I meant *Raster*
[10:31] <markey> args
[10:31] <markey> typo!
[10:31] <markey> Raster is totally borked and useless
[10:31] <eMyller> markey: but that's with opengl only; xrender works fine with a few effects
[10:31] <markey> OpenGL works fine with latest Intel GMA
[10:32] <markey> anyway, I don't see the point of Raster
[10:32] <mgraesslin> eMyller: correction: that's only with OpenGL by Intel and graphicssystem Raster
[10:32] <markey> it breaks all sorts of things
[10:32] <eMyller> mgraesslin: did anything change beyond kde from scs 4.5 to 4.6?
[10:32] <markey> mgraesslin: btw, too bad that you had to refuse the offer, but it seems you already have a really cool job
[10:32] <eMyller> it worked perfectly in 4.5 times
[10:33] <mgraesslin> markey: I did not refuse, I just said that I need to more time to see where nokia is heading
[10:33] <markey> with Raster, menus don't draw properly, and such things
[10:33] <markey> mgraesslin: oooh. Steven told it a bit differently
[10:33] <markey> maybe I misunderstood
[10:33] <markey> or he did
[10:34] <markey> anyway, I personally really recommend accepting such an offer, or at least coming for an interview
[10:34] <markey> then they can tell you more
[10:34] <mgraesslin> "Now I need some more time to let the dust settle and to see the path Nokia is taking and whether I would still fit into it. Due to my current contract this means that the earliest possible time point where I can switch jobs is July."
[10:35] <markey> ah ok
[10:35] <mgraesslin> I really wouldn't switch jobs if I don't know if they start to lay off people
[10:35] <mgraesslin> as that would hit me first - young, no family, fresh in company...
[10:35] <markey> at any rate: to be honest, getting into that team is the chance of a lifetime. if Nokia guys want to get in it, they have to endure a hardcore "Assessment"
[10:35] <markey> it's an elite team
[10:36] <markey> basically, you can only get a job with a recommendation
[10:37] <mgraesslin> there's currently just too little information around to get an unbiased view on things
[10:37] <mgraesslin> I would never work for MS - neither direct nor indirect
[10:38] <mgraesslin> so if Qt development gets stalled, I would have to switch jobs again
[10:38] <markey> that is exactly why my boss now changed his strategy, he tries to call potential employees on the phone, and then tries to explain a bit what we are doing
[10:38] <markey> which is difficult, because it's secret
[10:38] <markey> so that is also hard for him
[10:38] <mgraesslin> yeah I can understand
[10:38] <mgraesslin> and getting an NDA before talking about a job offer...
[10:38] <markey> no, he would tell you without NDA
[10:39] <markey> at least outlining some things
[10:39] <markey> if you actually interview, you have to sign the NDA
[10:40] <markey> hiring is really complicated due to all of these factors :)
[10:41] <mgraesslin> yeah sounds so :-)
[10:42] <eMyller> gtg
[10:45] <apachelogger> markey: rm ~/.kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh
[10:45] <markey> apachelogger: thx!
[10:46] <apachelogger> markey: btw, it is not raster that is broken, it is applications doing shit
[10:47] <markey> ah
[10:47] <markey> well
[10:47] <markey> or libraries
[10:47] <markey> if menus are not painted correctly...
[10:47] <apachelogger> yeah, whatever has paintaing code :D
[10:47] <markey> it can hardly be the app's fault
[10:47] <markey> it's Oxygen, I guess
[10:48]  * apachelogger notes that menu paintaing problems sounds more like X11 *sing*
[10:48] <markey> nah
[10:48] <markey> it always worked fine
[10:48] <markey> until I installed you KCM
[10:48] <markey> that borked it all :p
[10:48] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: column tiling on 2 screens behaves a bit oddly
[10:48] <markey> a Bork-KCM
[10:48] <mgraesslin> with Intel we have heard problems about menus not working since around 4.5
[10:49] <apachelogger> markey: meanwhile you upgraded to KDE 4.6...
[10:49] <mgraesslin> that means since about Mesa 7.8
[10:49] <markey> at any rate, I blame apachelogger
[10:49] <markey> that works well
[10:49] <apachelogger> *nod*
[10:49] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: you mean quick tiling?
[10:50] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: the window placement tiling thing
[10:50] <ejat> apachelogger:  ubuntuone-client-kde ?
[10:50] <apachelogger> in the advanced settings
[10:50] <mgraesslin> ah yes I think it does not support multi screen
[10:51] <apachelogger> ejat: I have a partnership with dropbox, they pay me to not do it
[10:51] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: works surprisingly well then :D
[10:51] <apachelogger> just insists on moving windows to the second screen
[10:52] <ejat> ouch ..
[11:01] <jussi> yippee... my kde is doing strange things
[11:01] <jussi> All the menu's have started to appear from the top of the screen down - instead of out of the plasma panel. its rather funny
[11:02] <jussi> anyone else got similar things with 4.6 from the PPA?
[11:13] <markey> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/S0BtP.jpg
[11:13] <markey> ^ this
[11:13] <markey> ;)
[11:13] <jussi> markey: right...
[11:13] <mgraesslin> lol
[11:13] <markey> hehe
[11:14] <ejat> lol
[11:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think kdepimlibs is defunct
[11:35] <apachelogger> krunner(5762) ContactsRunner::match: preferredEmail is empty!!!!!!!!!
[11:35] <apachelogger> krunner(5762) ContactsRunner::match: ()
[11:35] <apachelogger> the last line should regardless of preferred email list at least one
[11:36] <apachelogger> yet it is empty
[11:37] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[11:37] <apachelogger> actually there is also an old addressee name shown
[11:37] <apachelogger> very interesting
[11:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: at any rate there is a dependency problem, the contacts feature depends on plasma-runners-addons to work it would appear, yet that is not part of the seed
[11:38] <apachelogger> also I do not think seeding it woudl be a good idea as it includes a billion billion things
[11:39] <apachelogger> maybe we should split the contacts thing out and seed it + turn it off by default in krunner (thus preventing akonadi startup at login)
[11:39] <apachelogger> on the desktop that is, on the netbook the sal should still start the runner I presume :D
[11:46] <apachelogger> hm
[11:46] <apachelogger> possibly my setup is busted ^^
[11:47] <jussi> for anyone interested in what my issue looks like: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/02/20/plasma-desktopDU2357.jpg
[11:48]  * apachelogger blames lancelot
[11:49] <apachelogger> :O
[11:49] <apachelogger> WTF
[11:49] <apachelogger> anyone with a somewhat clean setup around?
[11:49] <apachelogger> ideally natty
[11:50] <mgraesslin> jussi: try changing the size of the panel
[11:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: could you check if your default address book kresource is an akonadi one
[11:53] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: is a vcard resource here
[11:53] <apachelogger> thx
[11:53] <apachelogger> this is all wrong
[11:53] <mgraesslin> but I have two resources: an Adress Book and personal contacts
[11:54] <mgraesslin> personal contacts is completely empty
[11:54] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:54] <apachelogger> there is something fckd big time
[11:54] <apachelogger> for one I would say that the kresource should be an akonadi agent
[11:55] <apachelogger> for another the current setup cannot work at all, as the default akonadi addressbook agent is a directory based one targetting .local/share/contacts whereas the kresource wants .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf
[11:55] <apachelogger> no krake when you need him
[11:56] <mgraesslin> you will be shipping kontact 4.4 in natty?
[11:56]  * apachelogger shall lure him with beer to some cafe and then flood him with verbose apachelogger debug messages about broken kdepim stuff ^^
[11:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: yes
[11:56]  * mgraesslin is also still on 4.4
[11:56] <apachelogger> not that the issue would be related to that though :)
[11:56] <apachelogger> that is pure kdepimlibs mess
[11:56] <mgraesslin> on my laptop I have a master build which refuses to start at all
[11:57] <apachelogger> kdepim master likes to do that ^^ :D
[11:57] <apachelogger> :S
[11:57]  * apachelogger pokes his akonadi a bit
[11:59] <apachelogger> great
[11:59] <apachelogger> for me akonadi actually refuses to write anything to .local/share/contacts
[12:00] <mgraesslin> mine is in .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf
[12:00] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: akonadi?
[12:01] <mgraesslin> the address book
[12:01] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: well, which setup :D
[12:01] <apachelogger> only the kresources or akonadi too?
[12:01] <mgraesslin> erm you ask questions
[12:01] <apachelogger> not my fault that their architecture is all fiddly ;)
[12:02] <mgraesslin> that's also the one linked in the KCM
[12:02] <apachelogger> hm
[12:02] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: could you make a screenshot please :)
[12:03]  * apachelogger has a broken something as kres migrator always wants to migrate at every kdepimlibs app startup \o/
[12:03] <apachelogger> I have a million million akonadi resources :D
[12:03] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopfl2702
[12:04] <mgraesslin> and akonadi: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopjn2702
[12:04] <apachelogger> right, I have roughly the same
[12:05] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: supposedly personal contacts is a directory resource and address book a file resource?
[12:05] <jussi> mgraesslin: that worked! thanks!
[12:05] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: yes exactly
[12:07] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[12:08] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: if you provide a package for kwin-gles it would also be available to desktop users, right?
[12:09] <apachelogger> my best guess: akonadi by default will want the contacts thing, then kres-migrator comes along and creates the file-based address book to bridge kresources to akonadi on storage level
[12:09] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: yes
[12:09] <apachelogger> *if*
[12:09]  * apachelogger needs to fiddle about with workspace master :S
[12:10] <mgraesslin> would be very intersting to get some real world usage before 4.7 as it is basically a new compositor
[12:10] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:10] <mgraesslin> especially as I want to remove the possibility to turn Compositing off :-P
[12:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, it is some kdepimlibs/akonadi problem, where kde has a file based sources by default and akonadi a directory based one
[12:11] <apachelogger> need to talk to my local kdepim dev about that
[12:12] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: lolwut?
[12:13]  * apachelogger wonders why plasma-netbook says that it wants to use a "system" qt graphics system
[12:16] <apachelogger> it worx
[12:16] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/MK7js.png
[12:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: doing a prezi clone in a qgraphicsscene should be pretty easy ^^
[12:22] <apachelogger> though something GLy could give better performance I suppose
[12:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: already found one - needs more work though - check my twitter and so on
[12:26] <c2tarun> there are some packages on this link https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html which dont have any problem in merging, still they are there. Why are they not merged automatically?
[12:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is not Qt though
[12:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: jep - still pretty good already
[12:27] <apachelogger> c2tarun: there is no such concept as automerges
[12:27] <Nightrose> just needs a few more features and polish
[12:27] <apachelogger> c2tarun: way too dangerous
[12:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: there is also a gsoc idea for that for calligra
[12:27] <Nightrose> i totally want someone to do that (hint hint :P)
[12:28] <apachelogger> c2tarun: whenever there is need for a merge there is also need to reevaluate the whole situation of carrying a delta to debian at all and what not
[12:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: not gonna do calligra :P
[12:28] <c2tarun> apachelogger: and what if there is no delta?
[12:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe shadeslayer wants to
[12:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pffft ;-)
[12:28] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: ^
[12:28] <apachelogger> c2tarun: like for example?
[12:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also go fix plasma-netbook bookmarks && rekonq focus problem
[12:29]  * Nightrose goes and fixes her thesis instead
[12:29] <c2tarun> apachelogger: by deltas I mean conflicts. There are many in which there are no conflicts like sbuild
[12:30] <apachelogger> delta != conflicts
[12:30] <apachelogger> the fact that the merge does not conflict does not say anythign about the need of the delta
[12:30] <apachelogger> or whether there really is no conflict
[12:30] <c2tarun> apachelogger: what are deltas exactly?
[12:31] <apachelogger> the difference
[12:31] <c2tarun> diff b/w what?
[12:31] <apachelogger> ubuntu and debian
[12:31] <apachelogger> it easily can happen that we have a patch and debian has a patch and they do the same but apply at different parts of the source
[12:31] <apachelogger> then there is no buildtime conflict
[12:31] <apachelogger> but at runtime you get funny results
[12:33] <c2tarun> apachelogger: can you help me please in looking on sbuild package. I am not getting exactly what are you trying to explain.
[12:34]  * apachelogger looks
[12:34] <apachelogger> DOES CANONICAL ACTUALLY HAVE SERVERS THAT SEND CORRECT MIMETYPES
[12:34] <apachelogger> good lawd in havn
[12:34] <apachelogger> bah
[12:34] <apachelogger> meh
[12:34] <apachelogger> brrr
[12:34] <apachelogger> ...
[12:34] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:34] <c2tarun> apachelogger: what happend?
[12:35] <apachelogger> moc sending shitty mimetypes
[12:35] <apachelogger> also
[12:35] <apachelogger> kompare--
[12:35] <apachelogger> kompare--
[12:35] <apachelogger> kompare--
[12:35] <apachelogger> also
[12:35] <apachelogger> chromium--
[12:35] <apachelogger> chromium--
[12:35] <apachelogger> chromium--
[12:35]  * apachelogger should file archive removal requests for shitty software really
[12:36] <apachelogger> c2tarun: https://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sbuild/sbuild_0.60.8-1ubuntu2.patch
[12:36] <apachelogger> that is the different from us to debian
[12:37] <apachelogger> now while there are no merge conflicts it might be that our changes to e.g. lib/Sbuild/ResolverBase.pm are no longer necessary
[12:37] <c2tarun> apachelogger: it is the patch that was applied to earlier version of debian to convert it to ubuntu? am i right?
[12:37] <apachelogger> c2tarun: suppose so, kompare does not want me to see that information
[12:38] <apachelogger> shitty software tends to get in my way
[12:38] <apachelogger> c2tarun: yes, that is the diff between the original base of ubuntu2 and ubuntu2 (i.e. the current sbuild package)
[12:39] <apachelogger> https://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sbuild/sbuild_0.60.9-1ubuntu1.patch
[12:39] <apachelogger> that is the automerge diff
[12:40] <apachelogger> i.e. what needs to be applied to the most recent debian version to reach the re-merged ubuntu version
[12:41] <apachelogger> here you need to check that a) nothing was merged incorrectly b) things that are no longer necessary get dropped c) that this new diff does not introduce runtime problems
[12:41] <apachelogger> like this change in sbuild-createchroot
[12:42] <apachelogger> maybe in an act of madness someone duplicated the installation of debfoster somewhere (in the debian version of the package) essentially rendering our current diff for sbuild-createchroot useless
[12:42] <apachelogger> pingged out ^^
[12:48] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[12:50] <apachelogger> c2tarun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/569601/
[12:52] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[12:53] <apachelogger> c2tarun: pong
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: hey ... :)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: i was actually thinking of porting systemwide network management to KAuth
[13:04] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: booooooring :D
[13:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:04] <Nightrose> but oh well - then i'll have to find someone else to do the prezi clone
[13:04] <Nightrose> any takers?
[13:05] <shadeslayer> what's prezi anyways :P
[13:05]  * shadeslayer googles
[13:05] <Nightrose> it's a cool new presentation software
[13:05] <Nightrose> but proprietary and all kinds of meh
[13:06] <Nightrose> there is a free software clone being worked on
[13:06] <Nightrose> and there is a gsoc idea to make this happen with calligra
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:06] <shadeslayer> nice
[13:06]  * shadeslayer doesn't use office suite's alot ...
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Google Docs does the job for me
[13:07] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[13:07] <nigelb> prezi is awesome shadeslayer
[13:07] <Nightrose> the existing one is nice but lacking features and polish
[13:07] <apachelogger> c2tarun: pong
[13:07] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah ... :D
[13:07] <c2tarun> apachelogger: sorry I got disconnected, its raining so net problem :(
[13:08] <nigelb> c2tarun: Delhi?
[13:08] <apachelogger> net problems when raining?
[13:08] <apachelogger> what sort of rain is that? :O
[13:08] <c2tarun> nigelb: yup :) you too?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> oman
[13:08] <nigelb> nah, heard about the raining
[13:08] <shadeslayer> this looks awesome
[13:08] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: told ya
[13:08]  * apachelogger needs more usb hubs
[13:08] <c2tarun> apachelogger: acid rain ;)
[13:08] <nigelb> apachelogger: its more like, what sort of net connection is that.  And yes, its normal ;)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yeah the interwebz get's affected by rain
[13:10] <shadeslayer> i think the only way i'm ever going to get off IRC is when a freenode staff memer klines me
[13:10] <nigelb> that can be arranged ;)
[13:10] <jussi> that can be arranged---
[13:10] <jussi> LOL
[13:10]  * nigelb ^5 jussi
[13:10] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[13:10] <shadeslayer> s/memer/member
[13:11]  * apachelogger likes jussi
[13:11] <ari-tczew> apachelogger, Riddell: what do you think about remove kdetv from archive? bug 322470
[13:11] <c2tarun> apachelogger: so first I have to apply the auto generated patch to new debian version and then I have to build it and check whether it is building properly or not?
[13:11] <apachelogger> something makes my kded4 go wild on the cpu
[13:11] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:11] <apachelogger> this linux business is sorta ...
[13:12] <nigelb> jussi: hey, there was this feature for the -meeting bot that would update the topic
[13:12] <nigelb> jussi: is there a reason it isn't working these days?
[13:12] <c2tarun> apachelogger: so first I have to apply the auto generated patch to new debian version and then I have to build it and check whether it is building properly or not?
[13:12] <apachelogger> something like that
[13:13] <apachelogger> also runtime testing is a good idea
[13:13] <jussi> nigelb: yes. google cal and recurring events are nasty. feel free, to patch it.
[13:13] <nigelb> jussi: oh, ew.  Recurring events *are* nasty.
[13:13] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok, runtime testing means? building the package on pbuilder?
[13:13] <apachelogger> no
[13:13] <apachelogger> that is build time testing :P
[13:13] <c2tarun> apachelogger: then what is runtime testing?
[13:13] <apachelogger> runtime is actually checking that sbuild still works as expected ;)
[13:14] <c2tarun> ohh... :) sure i'll
[13:15] <c2tarun> sorry but how to apply a patch, I never did that before?
[13:15]  * apachelogger hates software so very much
[13:15] <shadeslayer> !quilt
[13:15] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:16] <apachelogger> I am going to become singer
[13:16] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google quilt
[13:16] <kubotu> Results for quilt: 1. Quilt Magazine | Quiltmag: http://www.quiltmag.com/ | 2. Quilts from Overstock.com: Shop for Quilt Sets: http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Quilts/1984/subcat.html | 3. Modern quilters break the pattern: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/18/2658256/modern-quilters-break-the-pattern.html
[13:16] <apachelogger> show tunes or shit
[13:16] <shadeslayer> sigh
[13:16] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: man quilt
[13:16] <apachelogger> going to new york and play in cats or smth
[13:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: c2tarun is talking about merge
 sorry but how to apply a patch, I never did that before?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[13:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ya I know how to apply that quilt one :( I was asking about merge one
[13:17]  * apachelogger is talking about how kded4 eats 12% cpu for no good reason
[13:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:17] <shadeslayer> patch -p1 ?
[13:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: what after -p? patchname?
[13:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer: weren't you building a front end to zsync?
[13:18] <apachelogger> great
[13:18] <shadeslayer> nigelb: abandoned
[13:18] <apachelogger> afiestas__: for some reason bluedevil apparently ate my kded4?
[13:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer: oh, why? :(
[13:18] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: patch -p1<patchname
[13:18] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: saw my question a few minutes ago here?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> nigelb: can't remember, would be a nice project for conf.kde.in tho
[13:19] <nigelb> shadeslayer: hrm :)
[13:20] <shadeslayer> mmmm ... pakora's in the rain are awesome ^_^
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: afaik only archive admins can remove packages
[13:20] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: yes but I'm asking for feedback as kubuntu developer
[13:21] <ari-tczew> err, asking kubuntu developers
[13:21] <ari-tczew> not me as kubuntu developer
[13:21] <shadeslayer> well ... it *does* look it's been abandoned
[13:22]  * apachelogger sees no questions
[13:22] <apachelogger> does it have to do with butterflies?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Updated:  Aug 6 2006
[13:22] <shadeslayer> yikes
[13:22] <ari-tczew> we have still a winter!
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: looks good to be kicked out of the archive
[13:25] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: yes
[13:26] <c2tarun> when I am trying to apply the patch I am getting this message "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] n"
[13:27] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: patch was applied in the past, I guess
[13:28] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: but apachelogger told that this patch was automatically generated for merge. This is the patch b/w the previous two versions. How can it be applied?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> why can't i target the bug to natty alpha 3
[13:28] <shadeslayer> weird
[13:29] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: what are you doing right now?
[13:29] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: waiting for reply
[13:30] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I am trying to merge sbuild.
[13:30] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I'm asking what are you patching?
[13:30] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: do you use patches created by MoM?
[13:30] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: yup
[13:31] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: it;s wrong
[13:31] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: MoM creates patches only for looking, not for patching.
[13:31] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: than what should I do for merging the packages which dont have any conflicts?
[13:32] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: let me look into sbuild case
[13:32] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, I'll wait :)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather Gurgaon, India
[13:35] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: in sbuild case, you have to only get into grabbed sbuild-0.60.9 directory and run 'dch -e' completing information
[13:36] <ari-tczew> so yes, this one is pretty easy to do
[13:36] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: is there any other package with no conflict, but some work to do. I just want to learn how to merge packages with no conflict
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubotu is broken, he doesn't have the weather plugin
[13:37] <shadeslayer> kthxbai
[13:37] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: "learn how to merge packages with no conflict" - but what do you want to learn if MoM creates package for you?
[13:38] <ari-tczew> if you want to learn more about merging, you have to touch more complex packages
[13:38] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: actually it was written in report to compare the patches and look for unexpected chagnes. I didn't understand what are unexpected changes? and can you name some complex packages?
[13:40] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: e.g. blank line added at the end of d/changelog is unexpected change.
[13:40] <ari-tczew> it has been added by MoM and it's a bug
[13:41] <ari-tczew> sometimes debuild will do some changes in .po files and these are not expected changes as well
[13:42] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I guess po files are for multiple language support? What changes in them can be any unexpected change? I mean it only contains the translations
[13:44] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I can't explain in details why these changes occur, but if you didn't on .po files and you see some of them in diff, it's wrong
[13:45] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, and you were saying something about more complex packages? Can you please name some.
[13:46] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: complex merges mean that they are not easy to merge. you need to review changes very scrupulously because some of them could be fixed in Debian another way or maybe upstream has fixed it.
[13:47] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok may be someday i'll encounter with one :) and one more thing can you please look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/569478/
[13:47] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: if you're looking for examples of complex merges, look on revisions ubuntu10 or more
[13:48] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I was trying to work on mathgl package in morning, there is this confict.
[13:48] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: The most complex package is  grub 0.97-29ubuntu60 I heard that BlackZ is going to merge it, but IMO it's naive. ;)
[13:49] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: there are these two lines in debian/python* file. Technically both lines will do fine. First one is of ubuntu and second one is of debian, which one should I include?
[13:51] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I'm not python expert, you have to ask someone else. Maybe ScottK ?
[13:53] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I thnk the lines have not to do much with python, *-packages is replaced by dist-packages, I tested both lines are working fine. Second line is more verbose.
[13:53] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: but I'm still afraid that you don't understand how it works (merging).
[13:53] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: well sorry :( but is there anything I said wrong? I mean why do you think I dont understand merging?
[13:55] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Don't be afraid, not everyone is perfect at the start.
[13:56] <ScottK> c2tarun: *-packages should be fine.  It's needed in Debian because they still have python2.5 which installed stuff in site-packages.  We just have 2.6+ which only uses dist-packages.  If there are other changes in the package, it's OK to keep that change, but if that's the only change from Debian, it can propably be sync'ed.
[13:56] <ScottK> (I say that without knowing the specifics, so be careful to double check *-packages is doing the right thing).
[13:56] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: You should look on patches created by MoM which changes are in Ubuntu and compare with patch which changes are in Debian. Maybe some from out delta have been included in Debian?
[13:57] <c2tarun> ScottK: well the native debian version failed to build on natty, so I think we cannot sync.
[13:57] <ScottK> OK.
[13:59] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: actually what I understand of merging is sometimes packages of debian dont build on natty machine, so we need to make some changes to make it work on ubuntu. When debian includes a new version, than we try to apply the same patch on this new version and look for the conflicts. If there are any we remove them and than merge. Am I right?
[14:00] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: quite yes
[14:00] <ScottK> c2tarun: It's not just building.  There are other changes we have for better integration in Ubuntu, branding, etc.
[14:01] <c2tarun> ScottK: that I didnt know, I thought branding was completely controlled by upstream.
[14:01] <ScottK> The goal is to minimize the difference with Debian, so an important part of merging is making sure relevant changes have all been sent back to Debian for them to incorporate in their package.
[14:02] <ScottK> c2tarun: It depends.  In Kubuntu we don't change it much, but we do have a few changes.  Ubuntu changes branding stuff very heavily.
[14:02] <c2tarun> ScottK: how can we sent our changes back to debian?
[14:02] <ScottK> If it's a change that's relvant to Debian, the usual was is to file a bug in the Debian BTS.
[14:02] <ScottK> Since you're just getting started, it's best to check if a change is relevant to Debian or not.
[14:02] <c2tarun> ScottK: ok.
[14:03] <ScottK> As an example, *-packages to dist-packages isn't something Debian would want yet since they still support python2.5.
[14:10] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: can you please take a look on this upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbuild/+bug/722159
[14:13] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Revision info in d/changelog is wrong. Look on revision 0.60.8-1ubuntu1 how it looks.
[14:17] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok so the entry should be just like the one in ubuntu1 and not from ubuntu2. I understood it wrong, I thought we have to mention the latest change we carried.
[14:24] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, I fixed that, Can you please take a look again.
[14:40] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Now looks fine, but coolbhavi is looking on it.
[14:41] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: Ya i just saw :)
[14:43] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: btw. Why do you use name by CAPS LOCK?
[14:43] <ari-tczew> can't you use it normal as everybody?
[14:44] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: actually I did it by mistake when I was creating my gpg :( and it is being used since then
[14:44] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: could you fix it?
[14:45] <ari-tczew> There is no reason to scream in full name.
[14:45] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: sure I'll do that, but I dont know how?
[14:52] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun/+edit
[14:53] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: and don't feel so bad with mistakes. Nobody has started work with 100 years expierence. I appreciate your time spent on Ubuntu development.
[14:55] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Since we are very close to start Feature Freeze, you can't do a lot of merges because in general during Feature Freeze bugfixes only are welcome. I encourage you to spend time on fixing FTBFS with binutils-gold.
[14:59] <ScottK> ari-tczew and c2tarun:  Stuff like sbuild should be discussed on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu.  This channel is for Kubuntu development.
[14:59] <ari-tczew> ScottK: Agree.
[15:06] <c2tarun> ScottK: I'll keep that in mind :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> good news everyone, I think the migration doesn't go right because kres-migrator is part of kdepim-runtime thus stuck at 4.4
[16:10] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmm
[16:14] <apachelogger> why is my natty grub brown?
[16:18] <Daskreech> I thought grubs were kinda white?
[16:22] <apachelogger> not in natty
[16:22] <apachelogger> they make it aubergine
[16:22] <apachelogger> though it does not look aubergine at all
[16:23]  * apachelogger grabs the vim
[16:41]  * shadeslayer aliases vim to emacs
[16:41] <shadeslayer> nano too
[16:43] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart shadeslayer
[16:43]  * kubotu tickles shadeslayer until they wet their pants and pass out
[16:44] <shadeslayer> *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*
[16:57] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kubuntu-netbook-with-blue-grub.mp4
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[17:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you surely want to reboot and look at a blue grub right now?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i haz maverick .. and black grub ...
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/06_kubuntu_theme
[17:02] <shadeslayer> oic
[17:02] <apachelogger> dump into /etc/grub.d and run sudo update-grub
[17:02] <apachelogger> should work on mav too
[17:02]  * apachelogger is not quite sure if the blue is good enough
[17:04] <shadeslayer> ok rebooting
[17:04] <apachelogger> or not :D
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does not work
[17:07] <apachelogger> neither does it here
[17:07] <apachelogger> probably only works on natty indeed
[17:07] <apachelogger> though I recall there was a way to do it on mav too
[17:07] <apachelogger> well
[17:08] <apachelogger> nvm
[17:08] <shadeslayer> *shrug
[17:08] <shadeslayer> i'm on grub for a fraction of a second
[17:08] <shadeslayer> so don't care
[17:13] <apachelogger> krunner(3044)/kresources: Akonadi migration failed!
[17:14] <apachelogger> yet that stupid bast0rd throw a dialog at me saying it was successful
[17:22] <apachelogger> this kres migratoin business is completely b0rked
[17:26] <apachelogger> eh
[17:26] <apachelogger> this is simply amazing
[17:26] <apachelogger> new account
[17:26] <apachelogger> kres-migrator gets kicked off
[17:26] <apachelogger> tries to migrate std.vcf
[17:27] <apachelogger> fails as this of course does not exist on a new account
[17:27] <apachelogger> yet it creats a vcard akonadi agent
[17:27] <apachelogger> with *no* path to a vcard
[17:27] <afiestas> apachelogger: what version are we going to ship?
[17:27] <apachelogger> afiestas: on maverick that was
[17:27] <apachelogger> so rc4
[17:28] <apachelogger> alrighty, calendar resource has the very same problem
[17:28] <apachelogger> kres-migrator destroys more things than it migrates :O
[17:28] <apachelogger> any app that tries to access calendars or addressbook data via kdepimlibs rather than the akonadi foo gets no data
[17:29] <apachelogger> this is so super
[17:29]  * apachelogger goes for a smoke
[17:29] <afiestas> rc4 for natty?
[17:30] <apachelogger> no
[17:30] <apachelogger> maverick
[17:31] <apachelogger> no idea what natty will have
[17:31] <apachelogger> whatever is stable at the time I suppose :P
[17:31] <afiestas> apachelogger: so nothing? (ok ok bad joke :p)
[17:31] <afiestas> in kde-pim list people are saying that latest trunk work like a charm
[17:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: they said that about akonadi & kaddressbook
[17:32] <afiestas> KMail too
[17:32]  * apachelogger had multiple nervous breakdowns thanks to akonadi
[17:33] <apachelogger> it was about as unsuited for I-just-want-it-to-work-deployments as software can be
[17:33] <apachelogger> oh, well, if they had a binary plugin that one needs to compile manually it probably would have been worse
[17:35] <afiestas> sometimes I have this feeling that says: "Move to osx, you will have a good email client there..."  :-P
[18:05] <jussi> nigelb: meego is pretty much intel now tho
[18:05] <nigelb> jussi: yeah, I know.  I keep update with it :D
[18:08] <apachelogger> don't expect too much
[18:08] <apachelogger> intel wrote the multimedia pps
[18:08] <apachelogger> *apps
[18:08] <apachelogger> they are ewwwww
[18:09]  * apachelogger abandons hope for kdepim and watches doctor who
[18:19] <txwikinger> Can I boot into kubuntu live CD without starting the X system??
[18:21] <debfx> txwikinger: adding "single" to the boot parameters should work
[18:21] <txwikinger> debfx: Thanks
[19:10] <bambee> Riddell: if you've time enough this week, could you have a look at language-selector ? Changes have been applied
[21:23] <sheytan> Riddell ping
[21:23] <sheytan> apachelogger ping
[21:25] <sheytan> Quintasan ping
[21:25] <sheytan> no one? :D
[21:25] <Quintasan> sheytan: pong
[21:25] <sheytan> o
[21:25] <sheytan> yo
[21:25] <Quintasan> sup?
[21:25] <sheytan> could you tell me when the natty feature freeze is?
[21:25] <Quintasan> hmmm
[21:25] <Quintasan> 24th I think
[21:26] <sheytan> Feb?
[21:26] <Quintasan> yus
[21:26] <sheytan> damn
[21:26] <sheytan> Riddell i need ya!
[21:26] <Quintasan> pinging him once will suffice
[21:27] <sheytan> i know, but it's a important case
[21:30] <Daskreech> Doesn't mean saying his name here will get him to look any faster
[21:30] <Daskreech> perhaps a phone call?
[21:48] <bambee> A sunday evening... he's probably busy ;)
[23:17] <afiestas> Riddell: ping
[23:34] <ecinx3> hi is there any vnc client that is real time? krdc behaves very slow, and i'm on lan
[23:36] <afiestas> ecinx3: even though with the lowest quality?
[23:40] <ecinx3> i put it on lan quality
[23:42] <ecinx3> and on the networking interface .. i just see 5,000KB/s traffic
[23:43] <ecinx3> when the connection is 100Mbit
[23:43] <ecinx3> wait, that's almost half
[23:44] <ecinx3> brb let  me look for my gbit switch see if it helps
[23:55] <afiestas> ecinx3: I'm not an vnc expert, but take a look at bugs.kde.org just in case somebody else is experiencing your problems


[01:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:19] <murmel> does somebody know when normally the next kernel gets into the lts (not release but -edge). hoping to get the 5.19 kernel so my modem works ootb
[07:19] <wez> EVening lotuspsychje!
[08:36] <guiverc> murmel, Ubuntu 22.04 will get the kernel from kinetic, but work on that doesn't really start until after kinetic is released as 22.10  (it's available first as -edge)
[08:37] <murmel> guiverc: sure, was just trying to figure out, when to expect that kernel in the -edge "branch" as having a modem in a laptop with no real way to use is quite annoying. especially I hoped to be able to use it for the upcomming ubuntu summit
[08:38] <murmel> but as I also use zfs, I really don't want to use the mainline kernels :S
[08:39] <guiverc> murmel, if I wanted a clue; I'd likely look back to when 5.8 (from 20.10) reached 20.04; but I'm not on my primary box which would have that detail in logs & i could look up quickly sorry
[08:40]  * guiverc doesn't watch kernel releases very closely (except when I need to) to doesn't really know; just wouldn't expect to see it until week+ after 22.10 release
[08:41] <murmel> guiverc: ahh if it's that close after 22.10, great :)
[08:41] <murmel> yeah who really tracks which packages get into a release :x
[08:43]  * guiverc only interest in that kernel is when it hits ISOs for 22.04.2 QA purposes;  i'm not expecting that for weeks
[08:43]  * guiverc adds and that is MANY weeks
[13:28] <ogra> hey guys
[13:29] <gelaarzdegast> Hi!
[13:29] <murmel> .
[13:38] <jilocasin> morning all.
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> jilocasin murmel wez gelaarzdegast cry0xen go ahead and discuss yourselfs silly here
[13:39] <jilocasin> does anyone know of a AVD (rdpw) client for Linux?
[13:39] <jilocasin> Azure Virtual Desktop (AVD)
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu: maybe^
[13:41] <cry0xen> @lotuspsychje: sure cause i want my linux journey to succeed this time. :)
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> cry0xen: did it fail last time?
[13:44] <cry0xen> yeah. badly. however i didnt had the time to play with it.
[14:05] <JimBuntu> I do not know of a client for Linux. lotuspsychje jilocasin
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:06] <jilocasin> JimBuntu: thanks for checking.
[14:07] <jilocasin> No AVD client for Linux, dropping the Teams client for Linux, I think we can all look forward to a return of the Linux antagonistic Microsoft.
[14:09] <JimBuntu> I think the idea on their side is something like... "just use Win and WSL"... kind of funny though, spin up the IE ISO that MS supplies for free and install the client there, lol, HOST->VM->CLIENT->VM
[14:18] <jilocasin> JimBuntu: you're probably right, all you need to do is pay the MS tax and enjoy a sub-standard Linux experience.  Gee, where do I sign up? ಠ_ಠ
[14:49] <hggdh> in fact MSFT is working hard on Linux
[14:57] <ogra> well, and they (kind of) own systemd now
[15:35] <hggdh> ogra: indeed... :-)
[16:59] <matt3> hello, please help ...
[17:00] <matt3> green is not a primary color => it is yellow + blue ...
[17:01] <matt3> so primary colors are = blue + yellow +  red
[17:01] <matt3> ;D
[17:02] <leftyfb> what does this have to do with ubuntu?
[17:03] <matt3> we have to change every os from rgb to ryb
[17:03] <leftyfb> matt3: RGB are the primary colors of light
[17:03] <matt3> no
[17:03] <leftyfb> yes
[17:04] <matt3> green = ?
[17:04] <leftyfb> light, not print
[17:04] <matt3> same
[17:04] <leftyfb> false
[17:04] <matt3> np, i apologize ...
[17:04] <leftyfb> BYR are primary colors for pigment
[17:05] <leftyfb> :/
[17:06] <ogra> weird one ...
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> he trolled here before
[17:06] <ogra> i dont mind good trolling ... especially here 🙂
[17:07] <ogra> that just wasnt ...
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[17:07] <arraybolt3> OK but really... this question drives me crazy. One of my books told me that RGB was primary, the other one RYB, and both said it was for light and pigment...
[17:08] <arraybolt3> The closest I ever saw to something making it make sense was the Krita manual saying that RGB was for light, and CMY for pigment, which made sense, but still disagreed with what I learned before.
[17:08] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: https://science.howstuffworks.com/primary-colors.htm
[17:09] <leftyfb> most of us learned about BYR in elementary school because we were coloring in coloring books and painting with acrylics.
[17:09] <ogra> arraybolt3, light colors (RGB) are additive towards white ... the more you add the brighter ... paint colors (RYB) are the opposite, the more you add the darker it gets
[17:10] <arraybolt3> That's the answer I've always been told, but the *why* never made sense to me.
[17:11] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: pigments aren't light, they're reflections and change color based on chemical/physical material
[17:11] <ogra> you mean adding more paint getting darker vs adding more light and getting brighter doesnt make sense to you ?
[17:11]  * ogra finds that pretty logical
[17:11] <arraybolt3> Ah, found it!
[17:11]  * ogra reverts his opinion ...
[17:12] <arraybolt3> "It turns out that if we use three primaries, the best ones to use are cyan, magenta and yellow," <-- that's what Krita said and it's what leftyfb's article says.
[17:12] <ogra> the trolling wasnt that bad ... it stirred an interesting discussion in the end 🙂
[17:12] <arraybolt3> So red and blue are just close enough to magenta and cyan to work in pigmentation... that explains a lot.
[17:13] <leftyfb> but then there's contrasting colors which I think is the same for light and pigmentation :)
[17:13] <ogra> then you are in CMYK world
[17:14] <leftyfb> pretty sure that's just human aesthetics though
[17:15] <arraybolt3> See, CMYK vs RGB makes sense. It's RGB vs RYB that confuses the sap out of me.
[17:15] <arraybolt3> So if RYB is just wrong and CMYK is correct for pigments, that solves everything.
[17:15] <arraybolt3> That solves a mystery I've had since early childhood and still didn't know the answer to correctly until today. And I'm an adult...
[17:16] <leftyfb> "In RYB you might remember that no matter how much of each color you add to the tempera pot, the color will always be a muddy brown, that is the reason why printers use pure black as one of the colors in the CMYK Color Space."
[17:16] <ogra> so it is like religion for you ?
[17:16] <arraybolt3> ogra: ?
[17:17] <ogra> searching for an answr for your whole life to find the solution to the mystery ...
[17:17] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure CMYK is really only used in the printing world. Nothing to do with primary colors really and I don't think applies to creating pigmentation with paints
[17:18] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure the entire purpose of CMYK is to generate black as opposed to brown
[17:18] <ogra> yeah, CMYK is simply beter for being able to adjust contrasts and depth
[17:18] <ogra> *better
[17:18] <ogra> withoout actually changig the coloring in itself
[17:19] <leftyfb> https://www.color-meanings.com/different-color-models-ryb-rgb-cmyk/
[17:19] <leftyfb> it doesn't apply to paint because to get black, you just use a black pigment based off of whatever material black pigment comes from
[17:20] <leftyfb> at least that's my take :)
[17:20] <arraybolt3> OK, thanks for letting me go entirely off-topic here, that was fun to finally figure that out.
[17:23] <ogra> well, send flowers t our troll 🙂
[17:23] <ogra> *to
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:24] <cry0xen> need help to permanently configure mono audio output in PIPEWIRE
[19:31] <arraybolt3[m]> cry0xen: #ubuntu might have help with that, or if you use Ubuntu Studio, #ubuntustudio would be a good place to ask.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: As Ubuntu Studio doesn't use Pipewire, please don't redirect pipewire questions there.
[19:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Oy, right, sorry. Got confused due to the bit about Pipewire questions in there earlier.
[19:34] <cry0xen> anyone here use easyeffects
[19:35] <cry0xen> i was able to get a temporary fix using effects l+R
[19:35] <cry0xen> now i need to make it permanent
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> !support | cry0xen


[12:21] <xivulon> hi anyone attending lug on the 19/20?
[12:21] <m-c> lug?
[12:22] <m-c> what is this event called lug?
[12:22] <xivulon> http://www.lugradio.org/live/UK2008/
[12:23] <xivulon> I am giving a talk on wubi and was thinking about organizing a stand, possibily within the ubuntu one
[12:23] <xivulon> would appreciate some help there though
[12:24] <xivulon> I have no marketing material myself
[12:24] <m-c> lugradio - I was guessing that's what you meant from your country location
[21:14] <owh> Flannel: ping


[03:50] <LinDol_phone> hi all :)
[10:12] <Paddy_NI_> Hi I am having some very "jerky" window resizing on Ubuntu Gnome (current stable). Particularly when maximizing windows - I'm also noticing with "Terminator" when I maximise that the right half of the window does not show nor does the lower half of the left side.
[10:13] <Paddy_NI_> Would a screenshot of Terminator be of any use?
[10:13] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, if that only affects terminator, then it could be a bug in that app
[10:14] <darkxst> we don't support it, whatever it is
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> Well I notice other apps try to do the same
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> However they eventually draw the rest
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> Still incredibly jerky
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> xchat is doing it too
[10:14] <darkxst> i've only seen jerky resizes under wayland
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> gnome-terminal is also doing it very briefly
[10:15] <mgedmin> "current stable" is what, gnome 3.12 from ubuntu gnome 14.10?
[10:15] <darkxst> but could be a driver bug
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, Current "Ubuntu Gnome"
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Possible
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> Intel graphics
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> ThinkPad T420
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> I'll ask the Lord Google
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> :-)
[10:16] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, smooth as butter on my T400
[10:16] <Paddy_NI_> :-(
[10:16] <mgedmin> x220 here, no video jerkiness
[10:16] <Paddy_NI_> I have not tried playing video yet
[10:16] <Paddy_NI_> Wanted to get window management down first
[10:16] <mgedmin> chromium has some slight problems with video
[10:17] <mgedmin> (hardware accelerated video not worky due to some dri3 wonkiness, so it falls back to pure-software aliased linear scaling ugh)
[10:17] <Paddy_NI_> lol
[10:17] <Paddy_NI_> I cannot screenshot it
[10:17] <mgedmin> that is interesting
[10:17] <Paddy_NI_> Screenshots seem to make it look normal again
[10:18] <mgedmin> well, gnome-shell does the "flash" effect that effectively redraws the whole screen
[10:18] <mgedmin> (after it takes the screenshot)
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> When I highlight the non-displaying area with my mouse (or keyboard) it begins to display
[10:18] <mgedmin> do you see any damage in the screenshot?
[10:18] <mgedmin> incidentally
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, Exactly what I was thinking
[10:18] <darkxst> dri3 is still broken in general I believe
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> No the screenshot looks perfect
[10:18] <mgedmin> I have very similar problems on my x200 at home (ubuntu 14.10, gnome 3.14, intel video)
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> hmm
[10:19] <Paddy_NI_> Does the "Intel Graphics Installer" work on the current "Ubuntu Gnome"
[10:19] <Paddy_NI_> I must check that out
[10:19] <darkxst> not unless they made a new release recently
[10:20] <mgedmin> ha ha my x220 just rebooted
[10:20] <mgedmin> #readyforthedesktop
[10:20] <mgedmin> @!#%@!#
[10:20] <meetingology> mgedmin: Error: "!#%@!#" is not a valid command.
[10:20] <mgedmin> anyway, as I was saying my x200 has video redraw problems
[10:20] <mgedmin> nautilus windows are corrupt sometimes (esp. the left sidebar)
[10:20] <mgedmin> moving the mouse over them makes things appear correctly
[10:20] <mgedmin> I suspect the intel video driver
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> hmm this article mentions that Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has entered deprecated status
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/latest-intel-linux-graphics-drivers-now-available-for-ubuntu-14-10
[10:21] <mgedmin> the x220 has no graphics problems otoh (also intel video, different model probably?)
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> as far as using the intel driver goes I wonder if it is worth my while
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> "intel graphics installer" rather
[10:21] <mgedmin> probably not
[10:22] <mgedmin> the best thing (not for you, but for everyone) would be to report a bug in launchpad
[10:22] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, The x220 and the T420 are virtually identical regarding hardware
[10:22] <mgedmin> using ubuntu-bug, so it attaches all the relevant system info
[10:22] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, 14.04 would have got the newer intel drivers with the HWE stack
[10:22] <darkxst> (but that is optional)
[10:22] <mgedmin> then you'll get an automated reply asking to test the latest upstream kernel (because the intel kms driver is part of the kernel)
[10:22] <mgedmin> with clear instructions on how to do so
[10:22] <mgedmin> you'll do that, report the results
[10:22] <mgedmin> and after that nothing will happen
[10:22] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, So I would have to do something to make it use it?
[10:23] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, If I am to file a bug then I should probably do this after lunch/brunch so that I can give it proper attention
[10:24] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[10:24] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Cool :-)
[10:24] <darkxst> its included in 14.04.2 but if you installed prior to that, you need manual commands
[10:24] <Paddy_NI_> Most likely
[10:26] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Unable to locate those packages
[10:27] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10790465/
[10:30] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, unless you have done something silly like disable trusty-updates, they should be there
[10:30] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Nope I have everything enabled
[10:31] <darkxst> packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/xserver-xorg-lts-utopic
[10:31] <darkxst> or you are on 14.10?
[10:32] <Paddy_NI_> Ha
[10:32] <Paddy_NI_> Silly me
[10:32] <Paddy_NI_> Yes
[10:32] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, you could try the 15.04 daily live image and see if that works better
[10:33] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Hmm..
[10:33] <Paddy_NI_> I am a little reluctant - I'll make a decision after lunch :-)
[10:34] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, why? live image wont change anyhting on your system
[10:34] <darkxst> and besides 15.04 is more stable already than 14.10
[10:34] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Oh I thought you meant installing the daily
[10:34] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Sounds good
[10:34] <Paddy_NI_> perhaps that is my best option
[10:35] <darkxst> try it and see, if it works, just upgrade
[10:37] <Paddy_NI_> Actually to hell with it, I may as well just perform an upgrade anyway for the fun
[10:37] <Paddy_NI_> I forget the command for upgrading distros
[10:38] <Paddy_NI_> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:40] <Paddy_NI_> "YO Johnny, I'll see in the next life!"
[10:40] <darkxst> I'm already in the next life, wayland style ;)
[10:41] <Paddy_NI_> Ah cool
[10:41] <Paddy_NI_> When will Wayland become the default?
[10:42] <darkxst> maybe by the next LTS
[10:42] <Paddy_NI_> How stable/performant is it?
[10:43] <darkxst> fairly good in 3.16, but still maybe only 95%
[10:43] <Paddy_NI_> :-)
[10:44] <darkxst> window resizing is glitchy
[10:44] <darkxst> I think there are issues cut+pasting between wayland apps and Xwayland apps
[10:45] <Paddy_NI_> I still don't understand why Canonical are opting to create their own
[10:45] <darkxst> drag and drop still not quite fully functional either
[10:45] <Paddy_NI_> Duplication of effort is really regressive behaviour
[10:46] <Paddy_NI_> From an anthropological perspective
[10:46] <darkxst> I don;t see how its regressive?
[10:46] <mgedmin> it's always easier to create something new than to understand something existing
[10:46] <darkxst> but pretty sure they wanted a vertically integrated stack
[10:47] <Paddy_NI_> I see
[10:47] <darkxst> there original plan was to release in 6 months
[10:48] <darkxst> that never ever would have been possible with wayland (disregarding that fact that it was always unlikely to be possible full stop)
[10:48] <Paddy_NI_> Ambitious
[10:49] <Paddy_NI_> It would be nice if something like the DLNA would/could be formed between all these different display standards
[10:50] <darkxst> shuttleworth was a debian developer, but I sometimes wonder if he has any real coding experience
[10:50] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Didn't he create VeriSign?
[10:50] <Paddy_NI_> grammar fail
[10:50] <Paddy_NI_> On my part
[10:51] <darkxst> DLNA is rubbish anyway
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> Without it we would have epic duplication of effort
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> And zero interoperability
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> I use UPNP-AV every single day
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> It's how I consume my media
[10:53] <darkxst> instead we have every player/server having to add quirks for nearly every device
[10:53] <Paddy_NI_> Yes but the user does not have to care about that
[10:53] <Paddy_NI_> As far as they are concerned it's all the same
[10:53] <Paddy_NI_> Gratification is the goal
[10:53] <darkxst> they do, when their device don't work with given program
[10:54] <darkxst> its really like saying ie6 supported web standards, because most sites in existance added hacks to make it work
[10:54] <Paddy_NI_> I do pretty well in my case
[10:54] <Paddy_NI_> IE6 did not really though
[10:55] <Paddy_NI_> They tried to reinvent the wheel so as to create vendor lock-in
[10:56] <Paddy_NI_> My Sony Xperia Z2, Samsung Smart TV, Ubuntu Tower PC and a host of other devices all "just work"
[10:56] <Paddy_NI_> I never have a problem with DLNA
[10:57] <Paddy_NI_> I have also set my family up with Chromecast, BubbleUPNP, BubbleUPNP Server and either Twonky or minidlna depending on OS
[10:57] <Paddy_NI_> They use it almost everyday without issue
[10:59] <darkxst> dlna was a good concept but the execution was poor
[10:59] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I guess that depends on the vendor
[10:59] <darkxst> no, you don't see it, because the software is adapting to handles the quirks each vendor has
[11:00] <Paddy_NI_> Yes true
[11:00] <darkxst> that is not how 'standards' are meant to work though
[11:00] <Paddy_NI_> Thus far Samsung has offered the best experience
[11:00] <darkxst> there is still a duplication of effort there
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> I guess most of the issues are to do with format support
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> codecs
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> That I have seen
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> I have not actually witnessed any other kind of error
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> regarding upnp-av that is
[11:02] <darkxst> no, codecs are a whole different story
[11:02] <Paddy_NI_> If the vendors stop cheap skating then we should be okay
[11:04] <mgedmin> if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1384188 won't be fixed for 15.04, I'll be mildly annoyed :/
[11:04] <Paddy_NI_> :-(
[11:11] <darkxst> mgedmin, were the translations approved in LP?
[11:12] <mgedmin> yes
[11:12] <mgedmin> all this needs is a launchpad export and a package update
[11:12] <mgedmin> I could probably produce a debdiff with updated translations (iirc the source tree has a script that does that), but I've no upload privileges
[11:13] <darkxst> mgedmin, ask on #ubuntu-devel
[11:13] <darkxst> syslinux wont have langpacks
[11:14] <darkxst> so maybe it needs a debdiff to import the changes into the package
[11:15] <mgedmin> asked there two days ago, got this response:
[11:15] <mgedmin> "<seb128>	cyphermox, ^ it might be one for you? (updating gfxboot-theme-ubuntu with a new translations export)"
[11:15] <mgedmin> cyphermox never reacted
[11:17] <darkxst> file a bug and/or chase up cyphermox
[11:18] <darkxst> hes usually pretty responsive
[11:20] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I actually almost forget the amount of trouble I had early on with dlna
[11:21] <Paddy_NI_> I have developers to that for making up for the shortcomings of the big vendors
[11:21] <Paddy_NI_> *thank
[11:22] <Paddy_NI_> It would be nice to see some form of UPNP-AV integration with GNOME out-of-the-box
[11:25] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, I don't think totem supports upnp?
[11:25] <darkxst> rhytmbox does, but thats only music from memory
[11:25] <Paddy_NI_> Cool
[11:26] <Paddy_NI_> It would be nice to have something more tightly integrated
[11:26] <Paddy_NI_> I always either install Rygel or minidlna
[11:26] <darkxst> like what?
[11:26] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Something akin to "online accounts"
[11:27] <Paddy_NI_> Media Sharing
[11:27] <darkxst> propose it upstream
[11:27] <Paddy_NI_> Toggle for photos, toggle for video, toggle for music
[11:28] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, That sounds like a plan
[11:29] <Paddy_NI_> Food is needing attention
[11:31] <Paddy_NI_> Tomorrow I will make Seafood Chowder, yum
[11:42] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_ hungry? so planning tomorrows dinner?
[11:44] <Doo_> hello folks
[11:46] <Doo_> i'm coming to you to see if someone has the same bug that I have on 14.10 : when i lock my keyboard, keymap (which is usually azerty) switches to qwerty and i loose all tray icons, i has to restart with alt+f2 / r and then re-swtich keymap with super+space to recover my initial state
[11:46] <Doo_> that's kind of a pita, if someone has solved this
[11:46] <Doo_> i really can use a hint :)
[11:50] <mgedmin> I've heard about the bug where the keyboard layout reverts to us-ascii
[11:51] <mgedmin> (not only heard, I have it)
[11:51] <mgedmin> losing tray icons?  no clue
[11:59] <Doo_> that's linked imho (i'm using topicons, btw)
[12:00] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I am in the process of preparing a late lunch
[12:01] <darkxst> I had lunch 10 hours ago
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I have plenty of Salmon left over frozen from yesterday and some smoked and unsmoked river cobbler
[12:01] <darkxst> where are you from?
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> Also a bag of mixed seafood, prawns etc
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Northern Ireland
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> :-)
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> You?
[12:02] <darkxst> Australia
[12:02] <Paddy_NI_> Google Keep shopping list: Double Cream
[12:02] <Paddy_NI_> This is going to be tasty
[12:02] <Paddy_NI_> Australia will be a destination at some point in my life
[12:03] <Paddy_NI_> Okay the Upgrade has completed, I shall restart and return :-)
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> darkxst, Buttery smooth :-)
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> Lovely
[12:07] <darkxst> Paddy_NI, enjoy
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> This feels right
[15:51] <rgb-one> hello
[17:35] <Paddy_NI> I have upgraded to Ubuntu GNOME 15.04, is there a relatively simple way to get GNOME 3.16?
[18:16] <massiveblue> Hello, i have a boot issue with ubuntu gnome vivid, grub2. Freshly installed sys, last installed package: fglrx-driver
[18:16] <massiveblue> I also have a BootInfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793356/
[18:16] <massiveblue> I only see the grey rectangle after BIOS and nothing happens.


[03:30] <guiverc> what package/program is involved with right-click menu (on background/wallpaper) please (kubuntu focal)
[03:31] <guiverc> plasmashell? thus plasma-workspace?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 https://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2021/DebConf21/debconf21-140-state-of-kdeplasma-in-debian.webm
[20:07] <valorie> cool
[20:07] <valorie> short and sweet
[20:07] <valorie> automate and work together -- sounds like us!
[20:08] <valorie> in "debian time"
[20:44] <RikMills> valorie: I am not a debian dev, but I have actually been talking to him and giving him a heads up on what packaging issues I hit. as often I am doing it slightly ahead of him
[20:45] <RikMills> that helps us all as less delta to us and debian
[20:45] <RikMills> he seems a very nice guy
[21:59] <valorie> right, I wish that we could half the packaging work
[21:59] <valorie> maybe someday
[21:59] <valorie> thank you for working with him
[21:59] <valorie> it's my dream that we will do that one day