[12:03] <dell500> 13946 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2789.021 FPS
[12:03] <dell500> 13037 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2607.309 FPS
[12:03] <dell500> 13389 frames in 5.1 seconds = 2602.607 FPS
[12:03] <pr0tocol> wow...you lucky bastard
[12:04] <kdude> anybody?
[12:04] <dell500> gotta type 'glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistooisnotabenchmark lol
[12:04] <dell500> pr0tocol, no, like you type fglrxinfo | grep accel or something
[12:05] <dell500> bbl
[12:06] <pr0tocol> propagandhi, how's it lookin?
[12:07] <thmas> thanks guys
[12:07] <pr0tocol> no problem
[12:07] <propagandhi> pr0tocol: i have milk options now
[12:07] <pr0tocol> where?
[12:07] <pr0tocol> in the win deco options I do
[12:08] <propagandhi> yeah in the win decos too
[12:08] <pr0tocol> I only have it in the "Button Style" Menu, though
[12:09] <pr0tocol> since the I can't make install the baghira/style crap, I guess I wont be able to get the 'milkesque' style
[12:11] <atidem> hello
[12:11] <pr0tocol> hello
[12:12] <atidem> how show icon (home, trash, etc..) on desktop?
[12:13] <atidem> I tried to set hide value's to false
[12:13] <atidem> but it doesnt work
[12:13] <pr0tocol> at1as, right-click on desktop, click on Configure Desktop, Behavior, File/Device Icons
[12:14] <pr0tocol> oops, I meant atidem
[12:14] <pr0tocol> ^^
[12:14] <atidem> it shows only hidden files
[12:17] <atidem> nobody can help me?
[12:19] <jk-> atidem: how about in Configure Desktop -> Behaviour -> General : do you have 'Show icons on desktop' checked?
[12:19] <jk-> do you have any icons on there at the moment ?
[12:19] <atidem> yes, it is
[12:20] <atidem> at moment nope
[12:20] <jk-> ok, open up a konqueror, and browse to ~/Desktop
[12:20] <jk-> is there anything in there ?
[12:20] <atidem> I set in trash.desktop Hidden value to FALSE
[12:21] <atidem> atidem@zeus:~/Desktop$ ls
[12:21] <atidem> trash.desktop
[12:21] <jk-> ok, just create a new file in ~/Desktop
[12:21] <jk-> echo test > ~/Desktop/test-file
[12:21] <jk-> and see if it appears
[12:22] <atidem> yes it appears
[12:22] <atidem> it's really strange
[12:24] <Sgep> Can I make Adept use apt-build?
[12:25] <sambagirl> did MM leave?
[12:26] <sambagirl> kubuntu is real different from gnome.
[12:26] <atidem> jk- on my desktop I can see only the backup file of trash
[12:28] <sambagirl> i changed my desktop resolution from 1024/768 to 800*600 but my xchat still is the highher resolution. why?
[12:29] <havok> hey real wierd issue on my brothers computer
[12:29] <gdh> none of his porn is any good? :)
[12:30] <havok> the harddrive its booting off of is not mounted ??? rofl
[12:30] <havok> How in the heck woudl I mount it.
[12:30] <havok> I dotn get how it cant be mounted when t he os is booting off this hardrive but it acts like its not mounted
[12:33] <atidem> ok I solved my problem
[12:33] <havok> other words when I goto Media: it dos not show the hardrive or cdrom
[12:33] <atidem> removed ~/.kde folder
[12:34] <atidem> $ pico trash.desktop
[12:34] <atidem> and changed value hidden from true from false
[12:35] <atidem> *to
[12:40] <crimson> hi
[12:40] <crimson> need some help
[12:41] <crimson> with this  checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:41] <crimsun> install build-essential
[12:42] <Knowerrors> Hey all I get this when I plug in my digital camera to USB- FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!Nov 11 15:33:13 scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
[12:42] <Knowerrors> any ideas to fix?
[12:44] <fyrmedic> How do I get amarok to build a collection. I have tried sqlite and now mysql but neither works
[12:46] <Knowerrors> heres the full details of the camera plugin http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4383
[12:47] <Knowerrors> whats missing?  btw, this is a self rolled kernel
[12:49] <crimson> hi crimson, thanks for the "build..." it works but now i get this checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:49] <crimson> *crimsun
[12:49] <crimsun> crimson: what are you trying to compile?
[12:49] <crimson> k9copy
[12:50] <robotgeek> so, we have two versions of crimsun here. *rubs* his eyes!
[12:50] <crimson> hohoho
[12:51] <crimsun> crimson: install libx11-dev
[12:52] <crimson> ok
[12:59] <slow-motion_> n8
[01:08] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:08] <kkathman> crimsun you in the room ?
[01:08] <crimsun> kkathman: pong
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:10] <kkathman> crimsun: I got some errors in a compile and they dont make sense...could  you look at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426106 and let me know what Im overlooking?
[01:10] <kkathman> actually the errors were during the make install
[01:12] <kkathman> crimsun best I can tell its a bad package and they missed files ???
[01:12] <kairu0> hey all
[01:13] <manveru> hey guys, i just wanted to do a upgrade, based on the new backports - and apt-get wants to install a 'conflict package' with the name task-vserver - it wants to remove 28 apps that i think are essential to my system... what is it for?
[01:14] <crimsun> kkathman: sorry, give me a sec
[01:15] <manveru> for example it wants to remove console-common acpi-support or xserver-xorg
[01:16] <crimsun> manveru: you definitely don't want to mess with backports at this stage
[01:17] <manveru> crimsun: fact is, that this package is not from the backports - it is also there when i kick them out of my sources.list
[01:18] <propagandhi> manveru: did you apt-get update after removing from sources.list
[01:18] <os2mac> having a problem with the print manager running correctly?
[01:18] <manveru> propagandhi: of course...
[01:18] <propagandhi> manveru: legitimiate question really
[01:19] <Drakeson> in the dumbest way, how can I enable samba?
[01:19] <kkathman> crimsun: that last pastebin was truncated....heres one with the errors:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426116
[01:19] <manveru> ubotu: tell Drakeson about samba
[01:20] <os2mac> ubotu: tell os2mac about print manager
[01:20] <manveru> ubotu: tell os2mac about cups
[01:20] <crimson> crimsun: i get this same error checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:21] <manveru> hmm, bad try :)
[01:21] <Drakeson> manveru: thanks :)
[01:21] <manveru> ubotu: tell crimson about xincludes
[01:22] <manveru> i just can't think of a practical use of this task-vserver, it seems to conflict with stuff from my system to create a kind of x-server-less server (wich might point to the name vserver...)
[01:22] <os2mac> ubotu: tell os2mac about cups
[01:23] <manveru> os2mac: ok, what's your problem :)
[01:25] <os2mac> trying to get print manager to start to configure a remote printer that is attached to a windows xp machine.. but when I try to start the print manager it hangs on init.
[01:25] <manveru> propagandhi: one really odd thing is that google has only 5 entries with task-vserver... and even ubotu doesn't know about it
[01:26] <manveru> os2mac: what print-manager?
[01:26] <propagandhi> manveru: well, when it comes down to it, if you dont know what its gonna do, I personally wouldnt attempt it
[01:27] <manveru> propagandhi: exactly what i'm doing - i can wait, just wanted to do my 2weekly upgrade
[01:28] <propagandhi> manveru: the ubuntu development cycle is pretty fast as it is really, compared to other distros
[01:28] <manveru> propagandhi: you say it :) - but i would say that gentoo is even faster
[01:29] <crimsun> kkathman-dinner: dpkg -l libsdl1.2-dev|grep ^ii
[01:29] <propagandhi> manveru: that might be true, but thats gentoo - an gentoo is far too much effort for such minimal benefits
[01:29] <propagandhi> *and
[01:30] <manveru> propagandhi: yeah... had gentoo for about a year, but with time it becomes really hard to manage and keeping it up2date
[01:30] <propagandhi> manveru: the compile time did it for me
[01:30] <manveru> hehe :) - ever tried to compile OOo?
[01:31] <propagandhi> i mean 2 days to get the system with just enough to do the basic things I need to do
[01:31] <propagandhi> compiling kde was what made me mad
[01:31] <manveru> oh yeah...
[01:31] <propagandhi> and re-compiling and re-compiling to suit changes
[01:31] <propagandhi> and emerge -e system!!! ahhh too much time
[01:31] <manveru> propagandhi: it is definitly for people with too much time or extremly fast hardware
[01:32] <propagandhi> manveru: true, but even with the latest hardware its still too long i feel
[01:32] <manveru> i didn't even notice a significant performance-increase with it...
[01:32] <propagandhi> manveru: no, nothing significant at all
[01:33] <manveru> however, it was nice for some time - get to know your system
[01:33] <propagandhi> manveru: totally agree, it teaches you a lot
[01:33] <manveru> but now i can lean back and enjoy the ease of kubuntu ^^
[01:33] <os2mac> manveru the default print manager in Kubuntu
[01:33] <blindpalmreader> hi I wish to install kubuntu on my system which has winxp on it, there are several xp partitions as ntfs, I formatted one partition to fat32 but i need a swap partition, can i let kubuntu resize during install or will windowsxp not like this when I boot back to winxp?
[01:34] <manveru> os2mac: ok, let me look it up
[01:34] <manveru> os2mac: if you are bored in the meanwhile, look at this:
[01:34] <manveru> ubotu: tell os2mac about printing
[01:35] <manveru> blindpalmreader: i wouldn't trust the ubuntu-partitioning
[01:35] <PJeremy> manveru: why not
[01:36] <manveru> PJeremy: maybe because i had bad experiences with it
[01:36] <PJeremy> manveru: like?
[01:36] <blindpalmreader> manveru what do i need to do then to make the one fat32 partition into a swap and other partition and not let winxp go freaking out because i changed the partition sizes on other areas of the hd or does it not matter
[01:36] <PJeremy> manveru: i don't trust women and i haven't had experiences with em ;)
[01:36] <manveru> PJeremy: like losing all my data :)
[01:37] <manveru> when it comes to partitioning i trust partition-magic...
[01:37] <PJeremy> blindpalmreader: you could use qtparted
[01:37] <manveru> blindpalmreader: exactly that would be a better choice
[01:38] <PJeremy> manveru: partition-magic is apparently not that good with linux partitions..
[01:38] <gdh> pmagic is better with linux partitions than parted is with NTFS, for sure :)
[01:38] <manveru> PJeremy: it did well for me, back in the days when i used win+lin on one HD
[01:39] <manveru> gdh: and their program still fits on two floppies :)
[01:39] <gdh> one floppy :) I made my own...
[01:39] <gdh> and a bootable CD of it
[01:39] <manveru> hehe
[01:39] <manveru> it's like using good old f-prot
[01:40] <gdh> aye, or dr. sol's 'magic bullet' disk
[01:40] <manveru> can't count the times it saved my infected systems...
[01:40] <blindpalmreader> ok it is a fat32 partition in between ntfs partitions. what if i just let kubuntu split that fat32 partition into an ext3 and swap when i boot back to windows will it be ok or will it freak over the partition change?
[01:40] <manveru> blindpalmreader: it will be ok when you only edit fat32 (i won't give guarantees of any kind)
[01:41] <blindpalmreader> manveru thank you i will try
[01:42] <sambagirl> is there any way for the png or jpg files on desktop to be thumb thigns?
[01:43] <crimson> sorry im a newbie in linux --checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:43] <_speed> hello
[01:44] <crimsun> crimson: you need to install qt3-dev-tools and libqt3-mt-dev
[01:45] <_speed> how do I log in with a different desktop environment
[01:46] <pyroxx> hi
[01:47] <pyroxx> i need an help please?
[01:47] <pyroxx> i dont have any sound in my computer
[01:47] <pyroxx> what shall i do?
[01:47] <crimsun> pyroxx: what type of sound card?
[01:47] <gdh> Maybe it knows all your mp3s are rubbish and is refusing to play them :)
[01:48] <pyroxx> i am not really sure
[01:48] <pyroxx> ALSA + OSS
[01:48] <crimsun> pyroxx: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:49] <pyroxx> ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[01:49] <pyroxx>                      Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at 0xf8800400, irq 17
[01:49] <pyroxx> intel
[01:49] <pyroxx> i think
[01:50] <crimsun> pyroxx: is this from a fresh install of 5.10, or did you dist-upgrade from 4.10 or 5.04?
[01:51] <pyroxx> fresh install ubuntu
[01:51] <crimson> crimsun: ...now this...checking for KDE... configure: error:
[01:51] <pyroxx> then i am using kubuntu now
[01:51] <crimson> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[01:51] <crimson> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[01:52] <pyroxx> i dont know how to do
[01:52] <pyroxx> can you explain
[01:52] <crimsun> crimson: install kdebase-dev
[01:52] <propagandhi> crimson: install kdelibs-devel and kdebase-devel and then use --prefix=/usr if necessary
[01:52] <propagandhi> crimsun: sorry, just saw u'd responded
[01:53] <crimsun> pyroxx: please paste the output from ''amixer'' onto http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:54] <pyroxx> what do you mean?
[01:57] <sambagirl> wow i am impresed with kde
[01:57] <kairu0> me too
[01:57] <sambagirl> i clicked on sound file and noatun came right up and played!
[01:57] <crimsun> pyroxx: open a Konsole and Konqueror
[01:57] <crimsun> pyroxx: in Konsole, type amixer
[01:57] <pyroxx> yes
[01:57] <crimsun> pyroxx: paste all that output onto the Web site http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:57] <sambagirl> konquerer is very neat too
[01:57] <PJeremy> sambagirl: oi, i thought you were impressed because of the pretty colours..you've ruined my picture of girls :(
[01:58] <sambagirl> wow kde has completely changed my ubuntu experience!
[01:59] <sambagirl> haha
[01:59] <sambagirl> i like ubuntus colors
[01:59] <pyroxx> then
[01:59] <sambagirl> but this is nice too
[01:59] <pyroxx> ?
[01:59] <crimsun> pyroxx: then tell me the url, and I'll look at the debugging output when I have time
[01:59] <pyroxx> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426167
[01:59] <sambagirl> no you dont understood how much difficulty i had with ubuntu to find simple mpeg work right see?
[02:00] <PJeremy> eh, no i don't see. what was so difficult with gnome?
[02:00] <kairu0> kde is much better integrated
[02:00] <kairu0> all the elements work together transparently
[02:01] <kairu0> on gnome i felt like each utility was a little different
[02:01] <sambagirl> well it put this huge thing on my screen and i could not remove it so that was wrong with it. see>?
[02:01] <sambagirl> ?
[02:02] <sambagirl> i dont know it seemied there more things for kde in synamptic then for gnoeme.
[02:02] <sambagirl> brb
[02:02] <pyroxx> ?
[02:02] <gdh> Just not every gnome app starts with 'g' :)
[02:03] <PJeremy> gdh: i'd also think it's due to the repos not needing all the gnome stuff that already comes with ubuntu.
[02:03] <gdh> Does kde not include a lot of stuff as standard?
[02:04] <PJeremy> well yes..although i removed a lot so i can't remember how much it once was..
[02:05] <gdh> :)
 did you checked
[02:06] <crimsun> pyroxx: I'm kinda busy atm, I'll respond in a bit
[02:06] <pyroxx> ok
[02:06] <pyroxx> i am waiting
[02:06] <PJeremy> gdh: are you familiar with amarok?
[02:06] <crimsun> pyroxx: your left channel is too low for Master
[02:06] <PJeremy> gdh: or xmms..
[02:07] <crimsun> pyroxx: decrease it to 0, then turn it back up
[02:07] <pyroxx> ?
[02:08] <gdh> PJeremy: I like beep-media-player, so yeh a sanitised xmms
[02:09] <crimson> k3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
what do you mean?
[02:09] <PJeremy> gdh: i have a few mp3s that just won't play..not with gstreamer or xine. amarok says it can't find the file
[02:09] <PJeremy> gdh: but remove duplicates+dead entries doesn't delete them from the playlist.
[02:10] <gdh> I never got on with any of kaffeine/xine/amarok... hence beep/xmms :)
[02:10] <PJeremy> gdh: also, the mp3s play fine in my portable mp3player
[02:10] <PJeremy> gdh: the mp3s don't play in xmms either..
 no idea - poor encoding?
[02:11] <crimson> after this --Good - your configure finished. Start make now
[02:11] <crimson> i get thisk3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
[02:11] <PJeremy> gdh: shouldn't be. although i didn't encode them, i know they have once played and would play in windows :(
[02:12] <gdh> No idea sorry - you could try re-encoding them using lame or somesuch? Or even transcoding to a more sane format like ogg?
i didn t get u?
[02:13] <crimsun> pyroxx: use alsamixer to decrease the volume of Master all the way to 0, then increase it
[02:13] <PJeremy> gdh: mmh, haven't thought of that yet, but will try it tomorrow
[02:13] <gdh> PJeremy: I can only think they're maybe 'wav' files encoded as mp3s... can you do 'hexdump -C filename.mp3 | head -1' and see if the line says something like 'RIFF WAVE' ?
[02:15] <CavalierBob> Greets all!
[02:16] <PJeremy> 00000000  ff fb 90 44 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |...D............|
[02:16] <PJeremy> gdh:
[02:16] <PJeremy> ^^
[02:16] <PJeremy> that would be the output of one file..
[02:16] <gdh> that's a regular mp3 header for sure...
[02:16] <crimson> k3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
[02:16] <gdh> I've no idea why computer players would reject it
[02:16] <CavalierBob> Is there any word on a bug fix for the GPG problem in KDE 3.4.3 for Kubuntu Hoary?
[02:16] <gdh> crimson: Yes, we heard you the first time. If there's no response, we don't know.
[02:22] <woddf2> Haldo
[02:23] <woddf2> I installed Ubuntu proper then I installed kubuntu-desktop and uninstalled GNOME, but it still uses the Ubuntu usplash!
[02:24] <Lathiat> woddf2: sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`

[02:27] <pyroxx> thanks
[02:27] <crimsun> pyroxx: works now?
[02:27] <pyroxx> yeap
[02:28] <pyroxx> thanks
[02:28] <pyroxx> can you help me on another thing?
[02:28] <pyroxx> please
[02:28] <crimsun> (don't ask to ask)
[02:28] <pyroxx> thx
[02:30] <woddf2> I hope it works.
[02:30] <woddf2> Oodbyegay
[02:30] <pyroxx> i need a media player for play most things like quicktime real player and windows media player?
[02:30] <PJeremy> !w32codecs
[02:30] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is for w32codecs in Breezy visit http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[02:31] <crimsun> pyroxx: you can try kaffeine, mplayer-586, etc.
[02:31] <crimsun> vlc
[02:31] <PJeremy> ^^ and mplayer, vlc are good players
[02:31] <pyroxx> how can i install them and make them defoult mplayers
[02:31] <pyroxx> ?
[02:31] <pyroxx> default
[02:32] <PJeremy> apt... file association..
[02:32] <pyroxx> can you tell me step by step?
[02:32] <pyroxx> please
[02:33] <PJeremy> well, you type sudo apt-get install mplayer-586  to install mplayer from the repos
[02:34] <pyroxx> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-586
[02:34] <pyroxx> error
[02:35] <PJeremy> uhm, you haven't edited your sources.list have you?
[02:35] <PJeremy> !sources
[02:35] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
 r u asking to me?
[02:36] <PJeremy> yes
[02:36] <pyroxx> i dont know how to do?
[02:36] <PJeremy> open a konsole
[02:36] <pyroxx> yes
[02:36] <PJeremy> type
[02:36] <PJeremy> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:37] <pyroxx> then
[02:37] <PJeremy> then you'll see a file with some lines..
[02:38] <PJeremy> now, go to http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:38] <pyroxx> yes
[02:38] <crimson> crimsun: can you help me with this? k3bdevicemanager.moc
[02:38] <crimson> k3bdevicemanager.cpp:933:32: error: k3bdevicemanager.moc: No such file or directory
[02:39] <PJeremy> pyroxx: there's a box with "2letter code of your country"
[02:39] <crimson> it says
[02:39] <pyroxx> yes
[02:39] <PJeremy> pyroxx: fill it in
[02:39] <pyroxx> uk
[02:39] <crimsun> pyroxx: don't know off the top of my head
[02:40] <PJeremy> pyroxx: good. now just click on all the other boxes
[02:40] <crimson> after succesful ./configure
[02:40] <pyroxx> sorry guys i am really new on kubuntu
[02:40] <pyroxx> i use to have different things
[02:40] <pyroxx> u know
[02:41] <pyroxx> then
[02:41] <PJeremy> pyroxx: make sure it says Breezy at the top, then click on "Gimme Source.List yo" on the bottom somewhere
[02:42] <pyroxx> do i have to click breezy for each box
[02:42] <pyroxx> ?
[02:42] <PJeremy> pyroxx: no, just at the top where you can select which distro it is. right above country code. just mark all the other boxes
[02:43] <pyroxx> i marked evey box is that ok
[02:43] <blank> how can i make amorok play mp3
[02:43] <PJeremy> pyroxx: yes
[02:43] <pyroxx> then
[02:44] <PJeremy> blank: install xine or gstreamer with the plugins..
[02:44] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then go back to the konsole where you have your sources.list opened
[02:45] <pyroxx> yeap
[02:45] <PJeremy> pyroxx: delete all lines
[02:46] <PJeremy> pyroxx: once you're done, copy the list from the site we were just at, go to the console, right click and paste
[02:46] <pyroxx> how can i delete them
[02:48] <PJeremy> pyroxx: with the DEL key on your keyboard...
[02:49] <PJeremy> pyroxx: when you've pasted the list into the file, go to http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[02:49] <PJeremy> pyroxx: copy the two lines at the top which start with "deb" and add them to the list at the bottom
[02:50] <crimson> help    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426210
[02:50] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then hit CTRL+O (to save it) and CTRL+X (to exit nano)
[02:51] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then go to http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:51] <LjL> crimson: hold on
[02:52] <PJeremy> pyroxx: at the top you'll see 2 lines which start with "gpg". copy them and enter them in the konsole and hit return (one line after the other)
[02:53] <LjL> crimson: aptitude install k3blibs-dev
[02:53] <PJeremy> pyroxx: it should say something like added key ..don't remember what exactly it says
[02:53] <PJeremy> pyroxx: finally, run sudo apt-get update
[02:54] <PJeremy> pyroxx: then you're ready to install a lot of things from the repositories.
[02:54] <crimson> LjL: already installed
[02:54] <PJeremy> pyroxx: like mplayer and w32codecs for example
[02:55] <LjL> crimson: can you point me to the source archive you're trying to compile?
[02:55] <crimson>  k9copy
[02:56] <LjL> yep, but what's the URL you downloaded if from, so that i don't risk getting a different version or somesuch?
[02:57] <crimson> LjL: http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/k9copy-Download-6088.html
[02:58] <LjL> hold on, i'll try compiling
[02:58] <crimson> 1.0.1b
[02:58] <crimson> ok
[02:59] <LjL> erm, hold on some more, my HD is full =)
E: Malformed line 37 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[03:02] <pyroxx> gave me that errer
[03:02] <pyroxx> error
[03:02] <PJeremy> pyroxx: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <LjL> pyroxx: please past your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin
[03:03] <LjL> pastE
[03:03] <PJeremy> pyroxx: ctrl+a, ctrl+c, pastebin.com, ctrl+v, send, copy the link then and paste it here
[03:04] <crimson> LjL: im going to dinner, please send me your results in a private msg
[03:04] <LjL> crimson: ok. i'm compiling right now anyway, solved the low disk space problem
[03:04] <crimson> ok
[03:04] <PJeremy> pyroxx: eh, ctrl+a/c won't work in nano (i forgot).. you'll have to mark everything with your mouse and copy it..
[03:05] <pyroxx> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426223
[03:06] <PJeremy> pyroxx: that's not everything..
[03:06] <gdh> that's not the whole file if you're getting an error on line 36.. only 20 lines are shown
[03:06] <gdh> :)
[03:06] <gdh> edit it just with kedit / kate ..
[03:06] <pyroxx> what do you mean
[03:07] <pyroxx> ?
[03:07] <gdh> if you need to , browse to /etc/apt, then right click on actions then select 'edit as root'
[03:07] <PJeremy> gdh: didn't kate have problems saving files as sudo?
[03:07] <gdh> then type your login password if asked
[03:07] <PJeremy> gdh: i do remember it having probs in hoary..
[03:07] <gdh> PJeremy: not that I've noticed..
[03:08] <LjL> pyroxx: instead of editing with nano, edit with kate, and paste *all* of the file (you can ctrl+a to select all)
[03:09] <PJeremy> i figured nano would be as simple as possible :(
[03:10] <pyroxx> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426225
[03:10] <LjL> PJeremy: not for copying and pasting ;)
[03:10] <PJeremy> didn't think of kate, only of vi/vim..
[03:10] <gdh> there we go, you have an errant space at the start of line 40
[03:10] <LjL> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/
[03:10] <LjL> i think this line is wrong
[03:11] <gdh> and yeh no distribution name on the OOo2 line
[03:11] <gdh> was there maybe meant to be a single "." at the end of that?
[03:12] <pyroxx> ?
[03:12] <LjL> gdh: yeah, i think so, looking at the site
[03:12] <PJeremy> well if the OOo2 line is wrong, then it's because  of source-o-matic
[03:12] <gdh> pyroxx: So this is the wonderful world of linux- having fun? :)
[03:13] <pyroxx> yeap
[03:13] <pyroxx> but
[03:13] <gdh> :))
[03:13] <pyroxx> i am so new
[03:13] <pyroxx> yoe see
[03:13] <pyroxx> you see
[03:13] <LjL> pyroxx: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426231 <--- try with this file
[03:14] <PJeremy> LjL:  why that dot at the end? mmh.. source-o-matic didn't put it there.. just checked..
[03:15] <LjL> PJeremy: oh well, i think it will do no harm anyway
[03:15] <pyroxx> LjL what i have to do with this file?
[03:16] <LjL> pyroxx: use it instead of your original sources.list
[03:16] <gdh> I've never heard of 'source-o-matic' before, but it sounds like a fast-track to untested and unsupported packages leading to 'weird stuff' :/
[03:16] <LjL> pyroxx: hopefully, i've corrected it so that it will work
[03:16] <pyroxx> copy paste is it?
[03:16] <PJeremy> just save it and run apt-get update again and hopefully no error this time
[03:16] <PJeremy> gdh:
[03:16] <PJeremy> !sources
[03:16] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:16] <PJeremy> there ^^
[03:16] <LjL> gdh: hmm source-o-matic is simply a web page helping inexperienced people to create a sources.list automatically
[03:16] <gdh> Ah interesting..
[03:19] <pyroxx> Malformed line 38 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[03:19] <pyroxx> this error comes
[03:19] <LjL> ok, i'll test it this time ;)
[03:19] <LjL> hold on
[03:20] <PJeremy> pyroxx: delete the OOo2 line
[03:20] <PJeremy> pyroxx: it's apparently not ready yet..
[03:21] <PJeremy> or just put a # in front of it
[03:21] <LjL> yeah, do that
[03:21] <LjL> i don't really know what the correct syntax for it is supposed to be
[03:21] <LjL> but just remove it
[03:22] <gdh> the phrase 'walk before you can run' comes to mind.
[03:22] <PJeremy> LjL: dont know either.. i thought source-o-matic would be a nice introduction to a newbie..heh..guess i was wrong..
[03:23] <LjL> ;)
[03:24] <pyroxx> lok=ok like its working guys
[03:24] <pyroxx> look like
[03:24] <pyroxx> thanks everybody
[03:24] <PJeremy> you're welcome
[03:24] <gdh> the invoice is in the post :)
[03:24] <PJeremy> and i'm greedy ;)
[03:25] <pyroxx> do i have to reboot my computer each time iif i install program?
[03:25] <PJeremy> pyroxx: no
[03:25] <PJeremy> pyroxx: just for the kernel..
[03:25] <gdh> pyroxx: no, you only ever need to reboot if you change your kernel
[03:25] <PJeremy> pyroxx: this isn't windows ;)
[03:25] <LjL> reboot for installing programs? ahah no, fortuntately not! :o)
[03:26] <pyroxx> thats really fun guys
[03:26] <pyroxx> no rebooting pc
[03:26] <PJeremy> unfortunately actually..i'll never get to see the grub splash now :(
[03:27] <LjL> well, if you start using software suspend (hibernation), you'll *really* never see linux booting :)
[03:27] <LjL> though you will see grub
[03:28] <PJeremy> pyroxx: just make sure you don't delete vmlinuz before you reboot ;)
[03:29] <pupil> I used ndiswrapper to detect my wireless card, I set up the card properly, but now I need to make the configuration permanent,. how do I do this?
[03:29] <pupil> I have a wireless connection
[03:33] <pupil> '/usr/bin/
[03:36] <pyroxx> how can i make kaffeine mplayer my default player?
[03:37] <PJeremy> right click on some video file and there you can choose which one is supposed to open it first..
[03:38] <pyroxx> how about plug ins for kaffeine
[03:38] <PJeremy> i don't use kaffeine, so no idea.
[03:38] <pyroxx> what do you use
[03:39] <pyroxx> ?
[03:39] <PJeremy> check apt what it has to offer for kaffeine with apt-cache search kaffeine..... i use vlc
[03:43] <pyroxx> how can i get vlc player and plug ins?
[03:43] <crimsun> !info vlc
[03:43] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[03:45] <pyroxx> !info vlc
[03:45] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[03:46] <kkathman> allo all
[03:46] <PJeremy> pyroxx: you'll have to type sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:47] <PJeremy> pyroxx: you may also use the graphical frontend to apt which is adept in Breezy...you'll find it in the K-Menu->System
[03:48] <pyroxx> how about plugins
[03:48] <gdh> vlc is self-contained
[03:48] <gdh> it does not use .dll 'plugins' for windows media etc.
[03:49] <pyroxx> so
[03:49] <gdh> if it doesn't play it natively, it doesn't play it, full stop.
[03:49] <gdh> vlc plays a /lot/ of formats
[03:49] <PJeremy> gdh: well, there are plugins for vlc...
[03:49] <pyroxx> like?
[03:49] <gdh> there are?
[03:49] <gdh> ah well, ignore me then
[03:50] <PJeremy> gdh: yea. but they're not really that importan
[03:50] <PJeremy> t
[03:50] <gdh> I know ther's a mozilla plugin - but that's a plugin /for/ mozilla not for vlc
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> does anyone know how to disable the automatic spell check?
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> globally, i mean
[03:50] <PJeremy> gdh: for example, ggi video output plugin...
[03:50] <gdh> ah yeh, pretty irrelevant.
[03:50] <PJeremy> gdh: but who knows what ggi is and who uses it anyway ;)
[03:51] <gdh> glorified svgalib. very 1995.
[03:51] <PJeremy> pyroxx: it might be best to use adept, there you can search easily and see what's available. pretty easy to use.
[03:52] <PJeremy> gdh: do you use mplayer?
[03:52] <gdh> I use mplayer and vlc, mostly.
[03:52] <gdh> all the kde and gnome 'media players' suck to a greater or lesser degree.
[03:52] <PJeremy> gdh: does mplayer crash for you when you try to watch a dvd with it? and does vlc play wmv for you?
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> i just installed the w32codecs and use mplayer of gxine
[03:53] <gdh> I don't own any DVDs.
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> mplayer plays WMV for me :)
[03:53] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: for me too, but vlc doesn't.. vlc however plays dvds, which mplayer doesnt
[03:53] <gdh> although totem does play streaming wmv embedded in webpages Ok :)
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> PJeremy:  really?
[03:53] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: yes
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> gxine should play a DVD...
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> i need to find a good shout/icecast plugin for xmms.
[03:54] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: crashes with some error, couldn't be bothered with it since i prefer vlc anyway
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> heh PJeremy
[03:55] <crimson> LjL: im back
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> altho, i really do more audio playing than video...
icouldnt find adept
[03:55] <sambagirl> test
[03:55] <PJeremy> pyroxx: on the left side you see that big K?
[03:55] <pyroxx> yes
[03:55] <PJeremy> pyroxx: blue and shiny..
[03:55] <LjL> crimson: well, except for what i've told you in query, i don't really know... it just compiles here
[03:55] <pyroxx> yes blue and shiney
[03:55] <PJeremy> pyroxx: click on it, go to System, and there Package Manager(adept)
[03:56] <pyroxx> yeap
[03:56] <PJeremy> pyroxx: that's it, you found it.
[03:56] <crimson> ljl: it runs fine??
[03:57] <pyroxx> ok
[03:57] <KaoticEvil> can i install Gnome on kubuntu? and if so, how would i access it?
[03:57] <LjL> crimson: well, it starts up without crashing
[03:57] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: yes, via kdm or gdm.
[03:57] <LjL> KaoticEvil: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[03:57] <pyroxx> but most of them not installed
[03:57] <crimson> mmm rare rae
[03:57] <KaoticEvil> aptitude... that a front-end for apt-get?
[03:57] <PJeremy> pyroxx: well, there are about 17000 packages...
[03:58] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: yes
[03:58] <LjL> KaoticEvil: quite a bit more than a fronted
[03:58] <crimson> LjL: im using kubuntu
[03:58] <KaoticEvil> oh? is it GUI or CLI?
[03:58] <LjL> crimson: you do have libdvdread3-dev installed?
[03:58] <crimson> yes
[03:58] <LjL> KaoticEvil: CLI, with a ncurses interface
[03:58] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: eh cli gui..
[03:58] <KaoticEvil> nice
[03:58] <LjL> KaoticEvil: its main advantage for me is that it remembers automatically installed dependencies
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: if for example (like in your case) you want to install gnome, you'll install "ubuntu-desktop"
[03:59] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  apt-get and adept dont?
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: when (and if) you ever want to remove it, you can just do "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop", and it'll remove all the dependencies
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: with apt-get, it won't remove anything
[03:59] <LjL> KaoticEvil: of course, this holds for every package that has dependencies, not just for ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok.. thats sweet then
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> pimpage :>
[04:00] <crimson> LjL: when you put make cmd what appear in your console?
[04:00] <LjL> KaoticEvil: apt-get certainly doesn't. i really don't think adept does. on the other hand, i've heard that recent versions of synaptic might do it, tho i've not tried
[04:00] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: not yet...
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> i may have to try out aptitude
[04:00] <LjL> crimson: uh, a lot of stuff, want me to paste it all in the pastebin?
[04:00] <crimson> ok
[04:00] <KaoticEvil> does anyone know how to globally disable the auto spell checking?
[04:01] <pyroxx> thanks guys i am going now
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> ive looked thru allt he options in KControl.. and i cant find it
[04:01] <pyroxx> see you tomorrow
[04:01] <PJeremy> night..sleepy time
[04:02] <gdh> KaoticEvil: uninstall aspell?
[04:02] <gdh> or any package with 'spell' in the name? :)
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> lol
[04:02] <LjL> crimson: hmm it's too long, it's already gone out of my shell's history... but, really, all it does it compile files, give some (a lot of) warnings, and terminate with a binary executable in src/
[04:02] <crimson> ljl: did you unzipped in a special dir?
[04:02] <sambagirl> what does trolling mean?
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> sambagirl:  sitting in a room, and cause trouble
[04:03] <gdh> sambagirl: trolling is when you're saying something inflammatory purely to evoke a reaction
[04:03] <sambagirl> ahh
[04:03] <sambagirl> ok
[04:03] <sambagirl> thank you
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> like, in here, if you were to say "windows kicks linux's ass" that would be trolling :P
[04:03] <LjL> crimson: no, what i did was precisely this: 1) wget http://download.softpedia.ro/linux/k9copy-1.0.1.tar.gz     2) cd k9copy-1.0.1b   3) ./configure    4) make
[04:04] <LjL> crimson: except for having to "aptitude install libdvdread3-dev"
[04:04] <sambagirl> ahh i see
[04:04] <spike591> un francophone dans l'assemble?
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> its really assanine, and childish to do
[04:04] <LjL> !fr
[04:04] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[04:04] <spike591> merci ubotu
[04:05] <LjL> spike591: ubotu est un bot ;)
[04:05] <spike591> oops
[04:05] <spike591> ok merci
[04:05] <KaoticEvil> lol
[04:05] <LjL> :)
[04:07] <gdh> je suis une magnetophone, je n'ais pas des pantalons....
[04:07] <gdh> haha :)
[04:07] <LjL> ah-uhm?
[04:07] <gdh> yes, "I am a tape recorder, I have no trousers" :)
[04:07] <gdh> I didn't claim to make sense
[04:09] <LjL> oh ok, that's what left me confused ;)
[04:10] <LjL> are you sure magnetophone is feminine anyway? it's masculine in italian :P
[04:10] <gdh> Isn't everything in italian tho?
[04:10] <LjL> uh... no
[04:10] <gdh> bloody chauvinists  :)
[04:10] <LjL> :P
[04:11] <gdh> hehehe
[04:11] <LjL> actually, when i see people writing joke-italian, they make all words end in "a"
[04:11] <LjL> that would mean everything is feminine :)
[04:11] <gdh> like pizza? :)
[04:12] <gdh> yumyum I'd happily eat that
[04:12] <crimson> ljl: i think its working
[04:12] <gdh> Sorry, am being horribly predictable :)
[04:12] <LjL> that one's correct :P but, dunno, i remember an episode of Bugs Bunny (or something like that) when they were in Venice and there was "attention: lowela bridgeda" or something similar on a bridge
[04:12] <crimson> after "make" is making...
[04:12] <Doctor_Nick> hey gang
[04:13] <Doctor_Nick> how about all that stuff other than linux
[04:13] <LjL> crimson: just cross your fingers :P
[04:13] <kkathman> man I think the people that package gambas must just be idiots...none of their packages are complete!
[04:13] <crimson> LjL: di you put "make install"??
[04:14] <Doctor_Nick> has anyone come up with a less kludgey method of enabling dmix in ALSA?
[04:14] <LjL> crimson: no, i didn't, but you should find the executable in src/k9copy even without making install anyway
[04:15] <crimson> ljl: ok cuase it put on me another error with makeinstall
[04:15] <LjL> crimson: did you use "sudo make install"?
[04:15] <richard> Anyone have problems with wifi network connections? I can't get mine to work and there are problems with the screen locking up stopping me from enabling settings. . . .
[04:15] <KaoticEvil> oh yeah
[04:15] <KaoticEvil> aptitude is so much faster than adept :)
[04:16] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i don't really care for graphical interfaces to APT, except for some times when i need to browse through packages
[04:16] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  thats what im doing ;)
[04:16] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i always found aptitude from the command line just fine
[04:16] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, even in that case, though, a good cobination of apt-cache and grep can always help :)
[04:16] <KaoticEvil> im trying to get rid that (*%*$# spell check
[04:17] <LjL> KaoticEvil: what spell checker? i haven't followed
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  the Auto spell checker that kopete and konqi seem to insist on using.
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> ive searched high and low thru KCOntrol
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> and i *cannot* find a way to disable it globally and forever
[04:18] <LjL> KaoticEvil: it should be aspell
[04:18] <gdh> removing aspell would do it...
[04:18] <LjL> KaoticEvil: at least, my konqueror is using aspell
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> i dont like it, i dont want it, and i dont NEED it.
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> gdh:  i removed aspell already..
[04:18] <gdh> Aye, I kan speel kthx 0l0l0l1l11!111111 (etc.)
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> lol
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> no, it just slows me down
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> and my system is slow enuf already :P
[04:18] <gdh> yes, lines of red tildes are annoying :)
[04:19] <LjL> yaeah i right perfectlee aven withowt ane stoopid spaltchecker
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> i *do* type very accurately without the aid of a spell checker..
[04:19] <LjL> KaoticEvil: what does "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep aspell" show?
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> and it annoys the piss out of me.
[04:19] <Doctor_Nick> It says here that dmix is enabled automatically in ALSA 1.0.9 for cards that dont support soundware mixing, but I still get problems with applications usurping the soundcard
[04:19] <man_in_work> well this sucks
[04:20] <gdh> man_in_work: Well get back to work then; you aren't paid to chat on IRC :)
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> shos 2 lib files that it.. aspell it self is removed.. do i need to remove the libs as well?
[04:20] <gdh> and if you are, is your company hiring?
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> shows*
[04:20] <man_in_work> yay for monospace
[04:21] <gdh> charming :)
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> no joke
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> gdh:  thats not love... thats.. ewwwwwwwww!
[04:21] <LjL> KaoticEvil: try... that is, unless they ask you to remove a ton of other (dependent) packages
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> well, i guess you COULD call it "love".. of a sort :P
[04:21] <KaoticEvil> ok
[04:21] <crimson> LjL: no it wont
[04:21] <man_in_work> gdh: for one it's a volunteer organisation
[04:22] <KaoticEvil> holy shit!
[04:22] <LjL> crimson: won't what, make install?
[04:22] <gdh> man_in_work: Ah, fair enough :)
[04:22] <LjL> KaoticEvil: ?
[04:22] <KaoticEvil> libaspell15 requires removal of 125 packages :O
[04:22] <crimson> yes
[04:22] <LjL> well don't remove it then :)
[04:22] <gdh> LOL
[04:22] <KaoticEvil> no kidding! lol
[04:22] <LjL> but, the dictionaries are all removed?
[04:23] <LjL> and what is the other library that's installed?
[04:23] <man_in_work> only reason i'm on kubuntu live right now is i'm trying to test scanners and i don't have root access on this machine normally
[04:23] <gdh> or just add all the words and proper nouns you would ever use to a custom dict. ? :D
[04:23] <KaoticEvil> "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep aspell" reveals only libaspell15 and libaspell15c2
[04:23] <LjL> KaoticEvil: hmm try removing the "c2" one at least, as i don't have it installed..
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> nah.. that gets rid of pan :P
[04:24] <gdh> anywya, time for bed. nna :)
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> cant have that ;)
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> later gdh
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> drank too much coke.. urgh
[04:24] <man_in_work> is there anything special i have to do to get parport scanners working in kubuntu?
[04:25] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i think i have a quick fix, at least for konqueror
[04:25] <LjL> man_in_work: pray some god, i think
[04:25] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  that would be fine
[04:25] <man_in_work> well this scanner is SUPPOSED to work
[04:25] <LjL> KaoticEvil: just select "HSpell" instead of "ASpell" as a spelling checker
[04:25] <KaoticEvil> its not so bad in kopete
[04:25] <LjL> KaoticEvil: on my system, that seems to stop it from trying to correct me
[04:26] <KaoticEvil> thing is.. i dont ahve aspell installed :P
[04:27] <man_in_work> i've uncommented the parport stuff in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> have*
[04:27] <LjL> KaoticEvil: yeah, i've understood that, and i don't have a clue... but still, selecting hspell does stop it from making mispelled words red over here!
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> i can deal with the red...
[04:28] <KaoticEvil> its the fact that it slows me down, because it checks my works against a dictionary
[04:28] <LjL> KaoticEvil: also, try the dpkg -l thing but only seach for "spell", not "aspell"... here, i also have a "myspell" installed
[04:28] <man_in_work> and now kooka won't run :|
[04:28] <man_in_work> oh there we go
[04:28] <KaoticEvil> ive only got a 400MHz celeron with 128MB of RAM...
[04:28] <man_in_work> it was just taking a long time
[04:28] <man_in_work> this is crap
[04:29] <man_in_work> give me xsane any time. at least that tells you when no scanners are found
[04:29] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i dont "spell" installed
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> as long as ive got the KDE libraries installed, i can run K apps with an DE, right?
[04:30] <man_in_work> KaoticEvil: yes
[04:31] <crimson> make: *** [kcddrive.o]  Error 1 put on me these
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> ok... i may just download ubuntu, and go with Gnome...
[04:31] <man_in_work> as long as you have the libs, you can run the apps in any X environment
[04:31] <man_in_work> :
[04:31] <man_in_work> :)
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> its probably faster... less eye-candy
[04:31] <man_in_work> it certainly used to be
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> how about now?
[04:31] <man_in_work> i don't know any more. i use xfce4 at home
[04:31] <KaoticEvil> doh
[04:32] <man_in_work> it probably is. you can always try
[04:32] <LjL> KaoticEvil: my opinion is "no"
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> well, ive always used K... except when i was playing with vector linux.. then i used icerox
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  no?
[04:32] <LjL> KaoticEvil: with the KDE libraries loaded, i think you'll have most of KDE loaded anyway... *and* you'll have Gnome loaded as well, which isn't exactly lightweight either
[04:32] <KaoticEvil> eh... true
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> im just talking about the UI area tho
[04:33] <LjL> KaoticEvil: myself, i use KDE and try to *only* use KDE apps. if i were using Gnome, i would do the same and try to restrict my choice to Gnome apps
[04:33] <kkathman> its ok as long as  you have the space
[04:33] <crimson> LjL: do think if you send me the files i need it work??
[04:33] <LjL> KaoticEvil: what UI area? if you're going to use KDE apps, the UI will still be KDE...
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> eh.. thats true...
[04:33] <KaoticEvil> i need to build me a new box :(
[04:33] <LjL> crimson: i can send you the executable... at least, i can try, since i'm not sure i can send DCCs from my provider
[04:33] <man_in_work> i still use xfce4 at home
[04:33] <man_in_work> even with the few kde apps i run
[04:33] <kkathman> but you can run gnome apps under KDE if you have the gnome backbvone
[04:33] <man_in_work> it just takes them longer to load
[04:33] <kkathman> backbone that is
[04:34] <LjL> KaoticEvil: i've been with a 300mhz K6 till few months ago. but, really, nowadays you can get a decent sempron system for very little
[04:34] <crimson> kcddrive.o i suppose if i put this work
[04:34] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i know.. i build my own systems ;) but ive got no $
[04:34] <LjL> crimson: but, you have compiled it succesfully now, or haven't you?
[04:35] <crimson> the exe would work
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  if i had more RAM, i would have so many problems.
[04:35] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, what i spent for this thing i'm using right now was... 180, iirc
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i can build myself a decent system for about $900 or so
[04:35] <KaoticEvil> that includes a 17" monitor
[04:35] <crimson> make: *** [kcddrive.o]  Error 1 i get these when put "make"
[04:36] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, i just bought a mobo, a cpu, 512mb of ram, and nothing else. the rest i recycled (i already have a good monitor and one or two 10/20gb HDs)
[04:36] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  well, i want a whole new system...
[04:36] <LjL> crimson: let me try to send you the whole thing
[04:36] <KaoticEvil> this is a 15" monitor, and its killing me...
[04:36] <crimson> ljl:please look at your files to see if you have it
[04:36] <LjL> KaoticEvil: bah 15'' ain't that bad
[04:37] <LjL> crimson: i do
[04:37] <KaoticEvil> for me it is... i need LOTS of desktop area
[04:37] <KaoticEvil> im still used to my dual monitor setup :)
[04:37] <KaoticEvil> i currently have 13 windows open :P
[04:38] <KaoticEvil> and im using 6 virtual desktops lol
[04:38] <LjL> well in any case, there are 17''s at 100 around. but anyway, if the main concern now is speed, why not just get a new cpu, mobo and some ram? that won't prevent buying a better monitor when you've got more money
[04:38] <LjL> KaoticEvil: well, i'm sorry, but you sound like a terminal case ;-P
[04:38] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  i knew that..
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> LOL LjL.. i am
[04:40] <LjL> crimson: i'm trying to DCC you, are you getting anything?
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> for a new box, ill need pretty much everything but the monitor, keyboard and mouse tho
[04:40] <crimson> no it says failed
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> ive only got a 20GB drive.
[04:40] <LjL> crimson: guessed so. hold on, i can upload to a website
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> for everything that i do, thats no where near enuf for long
[04:40] <KaoticEvil> especially if i get back into coding
[04:40] <LjL> coding? i code on my 300mhz debian :)
[04:40] <kkathman> I built my Sempron for about $300...everything brand new..case, mobo, Sempron 2500+, 120 GB drive, CDROM, 1 GB memory and other stuff
[04:40] <LjL> kkathman: well, i wouldn't manage to get such a thing with so little money in italy
[04:41] <kkathman> ohh maybe so ljl
[04:41] <LjL> tech stuff definitely costs a lot more in italy than in the US (or even most of europe, i'm afraid)
[04:42] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  what language tho?
[04:42] <kkathman> drives are cheap here now
[04:42] <LjL> i mean, just the ink cartridges that epson italy sells for 11 are 8$ in the US
[04:42] <LjL> KaoticEvil: C
[04:42] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  see, im a FreePascal coder :)
[04:42] <LjL> what the heck is that :P
[04:43] <kkathman> a 40gb drive is like $20...100gb can be gotten for $50-60
[04:43] <KaoticEvil> took me 3 days to get Lazarus installed..
[04:43] <LjL> kkathman: let me look for a comparison
[04:43] <KaoticEvil> LjL:  open source Delphi clone ;)
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> and its bloody huge.
[04:44] <KaoticEvil> altho alien worked very well on the RPMs :)
[04:46] <LjL> crimson: hmm the stuff is too big to upload, my site won't let me
[04:46] <LjL> crimson: i'll upload the .o file, but i doubt that will be enough
[04:47] <crimson> ljl: when i click on k9copy.desktop it says "Could not find 'k9copy' executable.
[04:47] <LjL> crimson: make didn't complete succesfully, i'm afraid
[04:47] <crimson> oh ok
[04:47] <LjL> crimson: http://ljl.741.com/kcddrive.o   for what it's worth
[04:48] <LjL> could you give me an email address that accepts a ~5Mb file?
[04:49] <crimson> to this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:53] <LjL> crimson: you'
[04:53] <sambagirl> is there a windows versoin of kontact?
[04:53] <LjL> crimson: you've got mail
[04:54] <LjL> sambagirl: hardly
[04:54] <LjL> crimson: (i think)
[04:54] <crimson> ljl: let me se
[04:55] <sambagirl> well it says configure of groupware
[04:55] <sambagirl> i thought was connector somehow
[04:56] <crimson> ljl: yes "make" work as i expect but now require this file!!! kdvdauthor.o
[04:56] <LjL> i dunno, but KDE doesn't even run on windows (or maybe it does now with cygwin, but surely not usably), kontact surely doesn't run on windows
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> oh, great
[04:56] <LjL> crimson: you should have everything compiled and ready to run or to "make install" in the stuff i sent you
[04:56] <crimson> ljl: kubuntu requires to reboot??
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> went thru all the hassle of installing Lazarus, and it doesnt work.
[04:56] <LjL> crimson: what i sent you is my entire k9copy directory, compiled
[04:57] <LjL> crimson: the only time you need to reboot is when you crash or you upgrade the kernel, at least in theory
[04:57] <crimson> ok
[04:57] <KaoticEvil> speaking of.. whats the latest version of the kernel?
[04:58] <LjL> www.kernel.org
[04:58] <Riddell> ** testers wanted **  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[04:58] <kkathman> LjL: what do you think the chances of me getting a binary to work thats in a Debian repo?
[04:58] <LjL> Riddell: am going to bed now, but will remember to install it tomorrow
[04:58] <LjL> kkathman: not many, i'm afraid
[04:59] <kkathman> thought so.. dang it
[04:59] <kkathman> arrrgh
[04:59] <LjL> kkathman: you could have better luck with a *source* package
[04:59] <kkathman> the new gambas looks so good... but the source is bad
[04:59] <kkathman> missing files
[04:59] <kkathman> and ubuntu is like 10 releases behind in the repos
[04:59] <LjL> kkathman: if there is a debian deb for it, then the source they used to compile it is the source debian package with the same name
[04:59] <crimson> ljl: no i dont got anything on email
[04:59] <LjL> so in theory you *can* get that
[05:00] <LjL> and it should work
[05:00] <kkathman> its not a deb
[05:00] <kkathman> they want you to add their repo, do an apt-get install
[05:00] <LjL> crimson: it shows as sent here...
[05:00] <kkathman> Im pretty sure it wont fly in ubuntu
[05:01] <KaoticEvil> oooooooo
[05:01] <KaoticEvil> theyve got KDE 3.5 in the repos now? :)
[05:01] <kkathman> but I DO wish ubuntu would get a more recent version in the repos :)
[05:01] <kkathman> no excuse for being 10 versions behind!
[05:01] <LjL> guys, i'm really going to bed not, it's 5 oclock... crimson, hope the file will arrive, i'm sorry i can't stay anymore, but i need to wake up sometime tomorrow ;-)
[05:02] <LjL> nightey
[05:02] <kkathman> night/ er / morning to you LFLJL
[05:02] <kkathman> LJL
[05:02] <KaoticEvil> later LjL
[05:02] <LjL> =)
[05:02] <crimson> ok bye good nite
[05:02] <crimson> finally arrived
[05:06] <KaoticEvil> *goes off to install KDE3.5rc1
[05:07] <kkathman> well Im going to try the 1.0.13 version source package and see if that works
[05:09] <KaoticEvil> oh, i hope is works.. LOL
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: where do you see that?
[05:09] <kkathman> hey LeeJunFan  :)
[05:10] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  Riddell ** testers wanted **  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> hey.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> cool.
[05:10] <KaoticEvil> yeah.. thats what i said :)
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I'll wait till yout tell me what's broke :D I had enough fun with the beta2.
[05:12] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:12] <KaoticEvil> im working on it now... as soon as i find the pacakge..
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> Call me old fashioned but I like sound and e-mail clients that work.
[05:13] <Riddell> LjL: e-mail broke?
[05:13] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: e-mail broke?
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: in beta2, imap problems.
[05:14] <KaoticEvil> sound is broken? :O
[05:14] <kkathman> lol LeeJunFan  :)
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: no, in beta2 it was.
[05:14] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[05:14] <Riddell> arts should be fixed in rc1
[05:14] <KaoticEvil> ok :)
[05:15] <KaoticEvil> all i should need to apt-get is kdebase then, yeah?
[05:15] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: and arts and kdelibs
[05:15] <KaoticEvil> ok
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> can't just do apt-get upgrade?
[05:16] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[05:16] <Riddell> or that
[05:16] <KaoticEvil> didnt think about that ;)
[05:16] <KaoticEvil> im still getting used to it being that easy to get upgrades :P
[05:17] <man_in_work> fucking konqueror
[05:17] <man_in_work> konqueror == windows explorer + internet explorer for linux
[05:17] <man_in_work> only slightly better
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, apt is nice. I remember my first experience with it with Debian though. Totally fubared my system on 4 installs. I was on the mail lists and even had Ian trying to figure out why I was having such a bad time upgrading. hehe
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> hello to you too :)
[05:18] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:18] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: my biggest prob with Ubuntu so far, is that they have good packages, which is a good thing (much better than other distros), but they are consistently many revisions (or subdivisions/releases) behind which is irritating
[05:19] <kkathman> but when you DO get a package from the repos...it works :)
[05:19] <Riddell> kkathman: got examples?
[05:19] <kkathman> yes gambas
[05:19] <kkathman> 10 releases behind
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: well who uses that anyway? :)
[05:19] <Riddell> adds
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: I don't even know what it is.
[05:19] <kkathman> well obviously not too many cuz its quite old
[05:19] <kkathman> its like VB
[05:20] <kkathman> but unfortunately, the gambas people put out bad source packages too :(
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: probably why there's not updated debs, no one can compile it. hehe
[05:20] <kkathman> so that makes it worse...they only release binaries on Fedora, Linex, Debian, SuSE
[05:21] <kkathman> no, binaries are available as I said, just not for Ubuntu
[05:21] <kkathman> Hence my question to you earlier
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> damn fedora, everyone releases binaries for it, only noobs use it.
[05:21] <kkathman> gbc: ERROR: Cannot open file: /opt/gambas/share/gambas/info/gb.sdl.list
[05:22] <kkathman> I keep getting this:
[05:22] <kkathman> and about 3 others like it...so I figure they forgot files, which is bad also
[05:22] <kkathman> arggh :)
[05:22] <kkathman> hehe
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: or they just got the paths wrong.
[05:22] <kkathman> yah could be that also
[05:23] <kkathman> but in any case...bad packaging
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: maybe if you can find the file elsewhere , like /usr/share/gambas or something you could either make a symlink or copy them to where it's looking.
[05:23] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  have you uploaded your gpg keys to a keyserver?
[05:24] <KaoticEvil> ok, downloading KDE3.5rc1 :)
[05:24] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I've tried to feed that info back, but their email is bogus
[05:24] <kkathman> hehe
[05:25] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: yes
[05:25] <KaoticEvil> hmmm.. i cant find them
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: sounds like a reputable bunch of developers. :-/
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: is there no alternative to that?
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( how can i go back to KDe3.4 if 3.5 doesnt work? )
[05:27] <Doctor_Nick> YOU DONT
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> oh, heh ok
[05:27] <Doctor_Nick> badda bump
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda5 to start :)
[05:27] <Doctor_Nick> pres butan to go
[05:27] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  that would do me no good..
[05:27] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: remove arts, reinstall from normal breezy sources
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> i dont havce /dev/hda5 ;)
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> have*
[05:28] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  ah, ok
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda ? :)
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> :P
[05:29] <KaoticEvil> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 ;)
[05:29] <os2mac> ok if anyone saw my last two messages I am sorry...
[05:29] <os2mac> can anyone help me with remote printing?
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> funny story there, I meant to dd a floppy which was external storage, so I typed dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1440 bs=1k, only I hadn't realized my external HD and Floppy had been plugged in different than normal on bootup.
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> so I hosed the external HD partition tables and all.
[05:31] <KaoticEvil> ROFL
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> 4 years of digital pictures :( But hey, I'm a smart guy, I've got backup on DVD.... :D   Oh, what's this? The DVD won't read? SHIAT!
[05:32] <sambagirl> there are 3 version i see of Vista, FreeB, OpenEMR and OpenEMR for Mandrake.rpm if i am using ubuntu would i download OpenEMR?
[05:32] <KaoticEvil> ive done similar... with fdisk (the MS one..)
[05:32] <os2mac> does anyone else have problems with the printer configurator in KDE under Kubuntu?
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> I spend a weekend getting real intimate with rebuilding a superblock by hand, and getting my partitions back, and using recovery tools to get my files back.
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: what kind of problems?
[05:33] <os2mac> as in it will start but hang.....
[05:33] <os2mac> I don'
[05:33] <KaoticEvil> ok.. why wont..
[05:33] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: i dunno what the alternatives are, if any. I could try using their published debian repo and apt-getting, but thats kinda skeptical at best
[05:33] <KaoticEvil> dammit.
[05:34] <os2mac> I don't have a printer attached I am trying to figure out how to setup a remote printer that is on my network but attached to a windows box....
[05:34] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I thought maybe I could temporarily add the repo, do any update, and do and apt-source
[05:35] <sambagirl> nevermind
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: perhaps.
[05:35] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: well, its all kludge I think at this point
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: how did you install your system?
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: and have you done updates?
[05:35] <Riddell> KaoticEvil: how is the install?
[05:35] <os2mac> from the ISO and yes I am up to date.
[05:35] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  still downloading
[05:35] <KaoticEvil> getting kdebase-data now
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: okay, try opening a shell, and 'sudo kprinter' see if you can add a printer that way. Sometimes kde administator functions don't work too well unless you start them as root.
[05:36] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: don't use sudo with KDE!
[05:37] <kkathman> aptitude or adept
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: why not?
[05:37] <KaoticEvil> why dos kgpg not correctly import keys? o.o
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: the tmp file perms?
[05:37] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  use kdesu
[05:37] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it does evil things
[05:37] <kkathman> kdesu LeeJunFan  :)
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I do it all the time :)
[05:38] <os2mac> they even tell you in the Kubuntu forums to use Sudo
[05:38] <os2mac> and for the record I get the same error.... the utility opens and I get a message configuring printing system and it hangs there.
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> getting kcontrol
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: sure cups is running?
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:40] <_zach> Hey does Kubuntu have a make command?
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> _zach: it does after you install build-essential
[05:41] <kkathman> _zach but from a Konsole
[05:41] <os2mac> LeeJunFan I did that and same error
[05:42] <_zach> ok
[05:43] <_zach> I nee dot install build-essential
[05:43] <_zach> thank you
[05:43] <jsubl2> kde 3.5 rc1 is out... nice
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: sudo /etc/init.d/hplip restart ?
[05:44] <KaoticEvil> getting konqueror
[05:44] <kkathman> _zach: use aptitude or apt-get and install build-essential
[05:45] <_zach> Will do
[05:49] <kevred> having sound problems if i play mp3s then wish to play ut must reboot to get sound any ideas
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> kevred: you need to suspend artsd to get it to release /dev/dsp so ut can use it, 'artsshell suspend'
[05:51] <freeflying> why can't I use gpg to sign mail in kmail ,and I have gpg-agent run in backend
[05:51] <kevred> thanks i'll give it ago
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> kevred: but if anything sends sound to artsd after you do that it will grab /dev/dsp again. So you should probably start ut with a command like 'artsshell suspend && [cmd to start ut]
[05:53] <kevred> thanks leejunfan i'll get onto it
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> Riddell:  still here?
[05:57] <KaoticEvil> oh hell...
[05:58] <_zach> RThanks again
[06:04] <kevred> have to reboot to get sound on ut to work , tried artsshell supend && [cmd to start ut]  the message I get is sound server was already suspended but still no sound in game without reboot any help
[06:12] <KaoticEvil> well, that sucks :(
[06:12] <KaoticEvil> X wont start now LOL
[06:14] <kevred> when ut loads it trys to open /dev/dsp but its reported as busy?
[06:16] <KaoticEvil> Riddell: you there?
[06:17] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( well, back to the drawing board, i guess heh )
[06:18] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, ill see yall when i get this all done *again* back after while
[06:26] <regeya> domo arigato mr roboto
[06:26] <kkathman> lol
[06:26] <kkathman> hey regeya  :)
[06:27] <regeya> rock on
[06:27] <kkathman> hell ya!
[06:27] <regeya> just glad there aren't any anal-retentives saying 'SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!'
[06:27] <kkathman> LOL
[06:28] <regeya> so I wonder if #kubuntu is dead compared to #ubuntu because: 1.) kubuntu is a lot less common or 2.) ?
[06:29] <kkathman> dead with regard to??
[06:29] <regeya> I'm guessing there are less newbs choosing the kubuntu track
[06:29] <kkathman> activity?
[06:29] <regeya> yeah.
[06:29] <kkathman> uhmm well gnome is the native DE
[06:29] <regeya> very true.
[06:30] <kkathman> and so most newbs that install ubuntu...think ubuntu
[06:30] <regeya> however it's possible to download a CD that goes for the kde track...point well taken
[06:30] <regeya> though
[06:30] <kkathman> go there and #ubuntu never tells them to install KDE unless they ask
[06:30] <kkathman> the new RC is out for KDE 3.5 now
[06:30] <kkathman> RC1
[06:30] <regeya> w00t
[06:30] <kkathman> so its not b2 anymore
[06:31] <kkathman> Im thinking about giving it a ride
[06:31] <kkathman> I was going to pop up to b2, but with so many issues, I held baclk
[06:31] <kkathman> back
[06:34] <SSJiffy> hello
[06:36] <regeya> greetings.
[06:37] <regeya> isn't this a great irc channel?
[06:38] <kevred> bye
[06:39] <SSJiffy> what the
[06:39] <SSJiffy> no one is talking
[06:40] <regeya> interesting.
[06:42] <kkathman> wonder if Riddell is still lurking about?
[06:49] <Sgeper> Bye all
[06:52] <kkathman> anyone know what this means:  gpg: no ultimately trusted keys foundgpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[06:52] <kkathman> oops
[06:52] <kkathman> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[06:55] <Hobbsee> kkathman: is the key in your home folder?
[06:56] <kkathman> yah its in ~/downloads
[06:56] <Hobbsee> cd to downloads, then try and put the key in?
[06:56] <kkathman> and thats where Im executing the command
[06:56] <kkathman> Tm_T: said I should just ignore it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's safe enough to ignore
[06:57] <kkathman> I dont have a previous KDE 3.5
[06:57] <kkathman> so I
[06:57] <kkathman> am assuming
[06:57] <kkathman> that it just upgrades me from 3.4.3 to 3.5
[06:57] <Hobbsee> is it better to upgrade to beta2 before RC1, i wonder
[06:57] <Hobbsee> yeah, it would
[06:57] <kkathman> Im going to hold off, until I head from Kaotic or LeeJunFan
[06:58] <kkathman> they are both installing it
[06:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:58] <kkathman> Im ok with leading edge....but not bleeding edge
[06:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:58] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt really care, but if people are already installing, i'd prefer some feedback on how it is
[06:59] <kkathman> yah me too
[06:59] <kkathman> I mean they put the b2 out and it was nowhere near ok
[06:59] <Hobbsee> although i did beta2 as the bleeding edge
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[07:01] <kkathman> I'm toying with building another computer, and possibly trying to load up either Fedora or SuSE on it...just as an exercise in learning another system :)
[07:06] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[07:06] <Hobbsee> that could be interesting
[07:11] <nalioth_zZz> kkathman: why rack your brains on redcrap?
[07:13] <Tm_T> nalioth: :p
[07:14] <nalioth> just a question
[07:15] <Tm_T> nalioth: I would ask the same ;)
[07:16] <daleXXgribbel> evening all
[07:17] <daleXXgribbel> i'm having an install issue...when attempting to resize an ntfs partition for 64 breezy, i chose manually edit,i select the new size for the ntfs partition, but it doesn't change when it returns me to the screen
[07:34] <KaoticEvil> wow... THAT sucked! lol
[07:34] <crimson> hello
[07:34] <KaoticEvil> hey crimson :)
[07:35] <crimson> can you help me with these?
[07:35] <crimson> make[4] : *** [pswparser.c]  Error 127
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> no clue...
[07:35] <crimson> triyng to compil
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> crimson: are you the one i helped with samba?
[07:35] <crimson> compiling xfree
[07:35] <crimson> no
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> damn.. ok
[07:36] <DrGayus> love kubuntu, thanks
[07:36] <KaoticEvil> i dont know what i did to get samba working before lol
[07:36] <Hobbsee> crimson: why compile xfce?  i thought it was in repositories
[07:36] <crimson> need xfree to use my ati all in wonder
[07:37] <crimson> xfree86??
[07:37] <nalioth> xfree is not used on hoary or breezy ubuntu
[07:37] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth :)
[07:37] <nalioth> crimson: you are swimming up a waterfall
[07:38] <KaoticEvil> sounds like fun
[07:38] <crimson> nalioth: so how i make run my ati to video capture?
[07:39] <nalioth> crimson: i have no clue. but hoary and breezy x/k/ubuntu use Xorg
[07:39] <nalioth> perhaps you could look into Xorg
[07:39] <crimson> xawtv,zapping ,kdetv ,tvtime wont work
[07:39] <crimson> ok
[07:39] <KaoticEvil> whats the difference between Xorg and XFree86?
[07:39] <Octane> amarok 1.3.6 debs out?
[07:40] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: Xorg is used in hoary and breezy is one difference
[07:40] <KaoticEvil> doh
[07:40] <crimson> so breezy is kubuntu
[07:41] <crimson>
[07:41] <crimson> ?
[07:41] <nalioth> crimson: no. breezy is a release name. it could be ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu or server-ubuntu
[07:41] <KaoticEvil> server-ubuntu?
[07:42] <crimson> im using kubuntu
[07:42] <crimson> so i need xorg?
[07:43] <KaoticEvil> crimson: kubuntu comes with xorg..
[07:43] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: he wants to get the cutting edge stuff so his ati not-so-wonderful works
[07:43] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok...
[07:43] <crimson> hehe
[07:44] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: he doesnt understand that ATI hates *nix and he's probably not gonna get the functionality he wants
[07:44] <crimson> sorry its complicated use linux...
[07:44] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: beyond Xorg is used in hoary and breezy... are there any real differences in fucntionality?
[07:45] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: xorg is the more modern variant of X, with new features and more new features in the pipe
[07:45] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[07:45] <nalioth> i believe xfree86 is gonna be sailed into the sunset
[07:47] <crimson> so why developers make ati.2 gatos software?
[07:47] <crimson> they say to see tv with avview
[07:47] <crimson> in their page
[07:49] <KaoticEvil> oh, hey.. thats better :)
[07:50] <KaoticEvil> now i get to look thru the packages again and install stuff all over. *yay* o_o
[07:56] <jose> hola
[08:06] <fatejudger> are items that are put in usr/share/autostart executed with root priviledges?
[08:07] <fatejudger> are files that are in folders inside of usr/share/autostart executed?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> doubt they'd be executed with root privelages
[08:07] <fatejudger> but they're owned by root
[08:09] <fatejudger> the reason I ask
[08:09] <fatejudger> is because I'm tried of samba shares that are mounted using the fstab not working
[08:10] <fatejudger> so I thought maybe KDE autostart would do the trick
[08:10] <yudi> i'm new on ssh, i already install the ssh in my kubuntu with command apt-get install ssh, what should i do next to make SecureCRT get connected to kubuntu? i don't know what i should to fill at username and password, i already try with root but it seem not correct :( and there are options of SSH1 and SSH2, what i should to choose?
[08:11] <fatejudger> yudi: what the heck is securecrt?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it seems to be running as a regular user, in the case of thunderbird
[08:11] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[08:12] <Dasnipa> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:12] <Dasnipa> Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached
[08:12] <Dasnipa>   how do i free up clients no longer in use?
[08:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you have thunderbird running in /usr/share/autostart?
[08:12] <yudi> thanks :)
[08:12] <yudi> it's worked now...
[08:12] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes
[08:12] <Hobbsee> no, hang on
[08:13] <Hobbsee> in ~/.kde/Autostart i do
[08:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that's different
[08:14] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm talking about /usr/share/autostart
[08:14] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes, i realise that, sorry, only realised after i'd answered
[08:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I should just try and see
[08:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:17] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: probably a good idea
[08:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ok, I will
[08:18] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'll restart too to make sure it works and come back on here and report my results
[08:18] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[08:18] <fatejudger> I thought I have figured out my fstab problem
[08:18] <fatejudger> and edited the !samba entry for ubotu
[08:18] <fatejudger> but Samba doesn't start up until after the fstab is loaded
[08:18] <fatejudger> so it's useless
[08:31] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well that didn't work
[08:31] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I tried a couple of ways
[08:31] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but I got nothing
[08:32] <Hobbsee> :(
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yeah, and here I thought I had this great idea
[08:32] <Hobbsee> lol
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what I need to do is figure out how to use runlevels
[08:32] <Hobbsee> eek, got no idea
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I need to stick a script in the highest runlevel
[08:32] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I'll ask the #linux types
[08:36] <fatejudger> !runlevels
[08:36] <ubotu> fatejudger: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:36] <Hobbsee_away> might be an idea
[08:36] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:36] <fatejudger> probably the best way
[08:44] <copernic> hello
[08:44] <copernic> could anyone help me installing kd 3.5 rc1 packages? I am lost here :(
[08:45] <nalioth> copernic: i'd hold off on them for a while
[08:45] <copernic> I added the needed line to sources.list and simply don't know which packages to upgrade, synaptic shows no new packages after updating
[08:45] <copernic> nalioth: I am already running beta 2
[08:47] <copernic> so which packages to install to get kde rc2 in about box?
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> damn
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> how mant freakin lib* files are there?!
[08:50] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: a few zillion
[08:50] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: not to mention the lib*-dev ones, too
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: on a few zillion?
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> LOL no shit
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> had to kill my install :(
[08:52] <KaoticEvil> im down to libt*... looked thru every package thats not installed..
[08:52] <fatejudger> they released the RC1 packages??
[08:52] <fatejudger> w00t!
[08:52] <fatejudger> this is a happy day!
[08:53] <nalioth> fatejudger: not much success has been reported so far. be wary
[08:53] <KaoticEvil> i had to kill my install
[08:53] <dell500> anyone know how to get 'aticonfig --dtop=horizontal' to work? i get an this error: Warning: Option 'DesktopSetup' doesn't affect running session.
[08:54] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: heed nalioth... i tried em ;)
[08:54] <KaoticEvil> and now im looking thru the repos again... regetting all my hard work.
[08:54] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: they're bad?
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: what's wrong with them?
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i dont know...
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I was going to format my computer anyway
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I might as well try them
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> i had problems with the install, then X tooka shit on me..
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> and then K wouldnt start anymore :P
[08:55] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: bad build?
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> i dont know
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's what happened with the arts thing
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> probably my computer LOL.. is *IS* a POS
[08:56] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> lol
[08:56] <fatejudger> I've heard great things about the KDE trunk
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> well, gee.. thanks for agreeing with me :P
[08:56] <fatejudger> so RC1 must be great
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> dunno
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: what exactly is wrong with your computer?
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: is it old?
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: slow?
[08:56] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: crappy?
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> you may have better luck that i did
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> old/slow/celeron based...
[08:57] <fatejudger> what's the processor speed and RAM quantity?
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> its an old HP Pavilion i got from a friend for workin gon his OTHER Pavilion
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> 400MHz/128MB-PC100
[08:57] <fatejudger> holy shit
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[08:57] <fatejudger> you're running KDE off of that?
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> yup :D
[08:57] <fatejudger> that must run terribly
[08:57] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: that's a damned nuclear powerhouse of a box
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> its a lil sluggish sometimes..
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: ?!
[08:58] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm running Beta 2, should I upgrade to RC1?
[08:58] <fatejudger> nalioth: and have you tried it?
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: and i never do one thing at a time.. earlier i had 14 apps open :)
[08:58] <KaoticEvil> and that was just in my taskbar
[08:58] <nalioth> fatejudger: i've witnessed 2 early adopters and one of them had no luck
[08:58] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[08:59] <nalioth> the other has not commented since , "here goes the last pkg"
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: early adopters?
[08:59] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i abuse my systems.. and puch them to the edge
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: isn't this the final RC1 build?
[08:59] <nalioth> fatejudger: rc1 has only been available for kubuntu for a matter of hours
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: they didn't do another build for Beta 2
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: even though they screwed up on the arts thing
[08:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: well I'm getting them
[08:59] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i wish you more luck than i had...
[09:00] <KaoticEvil> one *very* cool thing...
[09:00] <nalioth> fatejudger: enjoy
[09:00] <KaoticEvil> since i moved /home to its own partition.. K looks exactly like it should :)
[09:01] <KaoticEvil> the whole time i was installing, i was pissed because i had just gotten everything the way i liked it lol
[09:01] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: my friend did that too
[09:01] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: he said it was good
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: but why someone would do that, I don't know
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: but I use the default plastik theme, so that's me
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: every other theme I've seen is ugly
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: not me... i got mine *all* tweaked out
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: www.kde-look.org :P
[09:02] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: screenshot?
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> fate> of my desktop?
[09:07] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes
[09:07] <fatejudger> !samba
[09:07] <ubotu> I guess samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> ah, i was needing that link anyways ;)
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: you gonne be here a bit?
[09:09] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: my wallpaper can bee seen here -> www.geocities.com/kaoticevil/power-of-darkness.jpg (it may be _ instead of - im not sure anymore)
[09:09] <fatejudger> I have a complaint about the wiki guide for Windows Shares
[09:09] <fatejudger> you can't do samba shares in the fstab
[09:09] <fatejudger> since the network isn't even running when the fstab is processed
[09:10] <fatejudger> that wiki entry should be deleted
[09:10] <fatejudger> and erased from the bot
[09:10] <fatejudger> or at least replaced with an explanation
[09:10] <nalioth> fatejudger: fix it
[09:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: I
[09:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'll have to erase everything though
[09:11] <nalioth> fatejudger: on the wiki or the bot?
[09:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: on the wiki, but the bot will still have the entry
[09:12] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm going to figure out how to do it using runlevels
[09:12] <nalioth> fatejudger: the wiki is for editing, just make sure you are correct
[09:12] <fatejudger> nalioth: as soon as I do that I can rewrite the guide
[09:14] <fatejudger> uh oh, my mp3 player crashed
[09:15] <fatejudger> rebooted
[09:15] <fatejudger> lol
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: did you see the link for my wallpaper?
[09:16] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes, lol
[09:16] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: you like the goth stuff?
[09:16] <fatejudger> does anyone know the default runlevel for Kubuntu?
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: some of it
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: 2
[09:17] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: are you sure?
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: 1000%
[09:17] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i watch the boot process ;)
[09:20] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:20] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: suicide girls?
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: who?
[09:20] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's the goth stuff
[09:20] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: im not a *huge* fan of goth..
[09:21] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: the wallpaper simply caught my eye... my tastes are very eclectic :)
[09:21] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I like that word
[09:21] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: which one? eclectic?
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> hmmmm... should i install a fractal generator?
[09:22] <KaoticEvil> i amy make some for new wallpapers :)
[09:23] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:23] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: do a screenshot of your entire desktop
[09:23] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: with windows and everything
[09:23] <spiral> hi
[09:23] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: ok, one second
[09:24] <KaoticEvil> its kinda plain right now..
[09:26] <nalioth> where did you get that wallpaper?
[09:27] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: www.kde-look.org :)
[09:28] <KaoticEvil> gimme just a sec to upload the screenshot...
[09:29] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: uploading now...
[09:29] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: www.geocities.com/kaoticevil/kao-desk.jpg
[09:29] <nalioth> bah! nobody makes cool 1680x1050 wallpapers
[09:30] <fatejudger> eww
[09:30] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: why didn't you stick with the default plastik theme?
[09:30] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: its too much for my poor lol grafx card :(
[09:31] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:31] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: im serious... its a 1MB intel i810 embedded card
[09:31] <fatejudger> my layout is beautiful
[09:31] <fatejudger> LOL
[09:31] <fatejudger> 1mb
[09:32] <fatejudger> I've got this great Battlestar Galactica wallpaper
[09:32] <KaoticEvil> oh, im getting a Radeon 7200 from a friend.... once i get that, its on :>
[09:32] <fatejudger> you're going to put a Radeon 7200 on that shitty thing?
[09:32] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: it will go in my new box when i build it ;)
[09:32] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> im going to turn this box into a CLI-ONLY server box :)
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: my machine is 2.4Ghz with 256 mb of RDRAM
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: and I consider that slow
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: although it runs damn fast in Linux
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> mail, DHCP, web, FTP..the workd
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it ran like a dog in Windows
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: see, this box ios the opposite.. Win2K was faster :P
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> hey, why not?
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's so stupid
[09:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: what are you going to use a server for?
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> i had a 200MHz Vaio LAPTOP running a web/mail server
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> PLUS internet gateway
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> for a 15-box LAN
[09:34] <fatejudger> what does a LAN have anything to do with that?
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> it was a 200MHz Pentium1 lappy
[09:34] <fatejudger> and what games are you going to play on that shitty computer?
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> lol none :P
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> well, maybe solitaire ;)
[09:34] <fatejudger> lol
[09:34] <fatejudger> I doubt Half-Life would even run on that
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> on this? no
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> diablo runs tho :)
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> wtf
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> adept is a piece of shit.
[09:35] <KaoticEvil> i cant apt-get anything?! wtf?!
[09:35] <fatejudger> LOL
[09:36] <fatejudger> what's the error?
[09:36] <KaoticEvil> its not resolving dependancies for me anymore :(
[09:37] <fatejudger> ?
[09:37] <fatejudger> package breakage?
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats what i said...
[09:37] <fatejudger> isn't there an autofix command?
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> last time i installed xmms, it got the libs for me.. this time, its telling me that they wont be installed.
[09:37] <fatejudger> what did you install exactly?
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> yeah, apt-get -f install
[09:38] <KaoticEvil> nothing yet LOL...
[09:43] <KaoticEvil> wonder if adept will work now...
[09:53] <fatejudger> brb, gonna see if this runlevel thing works
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> hve fun.. and good luck
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> have*
[09:54] <fatejudger> lol
[09:54] <fatejudger> thanks
[09:58] <KaoticEvil> brb
[10:04] <meng> is the kde3.5rc1 server up?
[10:07] <fatejudger> *sigh*
[10:07] <fatejudger> no luck...
[10:11] <Hobbsee> so far so good for the upgrade
[10:18] <meng> i can't seem to see it updating at all
[10:19] <meng> unless the apt line in the kubuntu page is wrong
[10:19] <Hobbsee> meng: i think it is
[10:19] <Hobbsee> let me get the correct one...
[10:19] <Hobbsee> meng: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[10:20] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: what problems have you been having?
[10:21] <meng> thanks
[10:23] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how could i set up my two cmedia soundcards in kubuntu?
[10:26] <DjDarkman> ?
[10:27] <DjDarkman> no one can help me?
[10:28] <asraniel_> DjDarkman: you want to use both?
[10:28] <DjDarkman> yes
[10:28] <DjDarkman> i want to make the 1. soundcard the "primary"
[10:29] <asraniel_> hm. i think there is something in the wiki about it, i had a similar problem, but i just wanted to use the second one and not the first, so i found this tutorial one day, look in the wiki
[10:29] <DjDarkman> i want to do that too
[10:29] <DjDarkman> thanx
[10:32] <DjDarkman> asraniel_: but where do i have to look there?
[10:32] <DjDarkman> in the logs?
[10:34] <asraniel_> DjDarkman: you know what the wiki is?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> anyone else running the kde 3.5 rc1 here?  fatejudger?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> looking for someone to confirm something - not sure if it's my system, or a bug
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm going to be in a few minutes
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I just formatted my laptop
[10:35] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: right, cool
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: going to download the binaries
[10:35] <Hobbsee> what problems did you have?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you'll have to give me 10 or 15 minutes
[10:35] <Hobbsee> sure
[10:35] <DjDarkman> asraniel_: not realy ,https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat is it this?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> !wiki
[10:35] <Hobbsee> !wiki soundcard
[10:36] <DjDarkman> so that`s how it worx...
[10:36] <DjDarkman> !wiki soundcard
[10:36] <Hobbsee> looks like it, but there's no soundcard page
[10:36] <Hobbsee> so you've got to know the page that you want
[10:36] <Wartah_linux> can any one help me enable samba server?
[10:37] <fatejudger> !beta
[10:37] <ubotu> fatejudger: I give up, what is it?
[10:37] <fatejudger> !kde beta
[10:37] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, fatejudger
[10:37] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[10:37] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, KDE 3.5beta2 out: http://tinyurl.com/ad4x6
[10:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fatejudger about msg the bot
[10:37] <nalioth> as in !dont !flood !the !channel !with !useless !fishing
[10:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: well thank you very much
[10:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: it was only twice
[10:38] <fatejudger> only part of RC1 is compiled?
[10:38] <fatejudger> why are they releasing it then?
[10:38] <seaLne> early testing
[10:39] <seaLne> also to build the rest of it you need the basic stuff
[10:39] <Hobbsee> updated !kde3.5
[10:39] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you're a moderator?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> no
[10:40] <Hobbsee> not in this forum
[10:40] <Hobbsee> *irc channel
[10:40] <nalioth> fatejudger: just lettin everyone know about !useless !fishing
[10:40] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: im guesisng it went well, since youre here
[10:41] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: works here
[10:41] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: see PM
[10:41] <KaoticEvil> it failed for me :(
[10:41] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: how so?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: did you apt-get install kdebase-bin to fix the errors?
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: nope...
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> i just killed it  lol
[10:42] <Hobbsee> lol...that wasnt too smart now was it lol?
[10:42] <osh> I just can't get multimedia to work in kubuntu. What am I doing wrong? First of all kaffeine doesn't play the vobs and secondly it doesn't die and just hangs in the background eating cpu... :-/
[10:42] <Hobbsee> should have tried installing the bit that had the dependancy problem first :P
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: meh.. i didnt lose anything :)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: no, it installed fine
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> it wouldnt RUN ...
[10:43] <Hobbsee> KaoticEvil: wouldnt run?  i wonder why not
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> no clue
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> probably my POS box had somethin to do with it ;)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> too bad thats everyone :(
[10:46] <fatejudger> lol
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:46] <fatejudger> I love my laptop and desktop
[10:47] <fatejudger> they're only 2.4 ghz machines
[10:47] <fatejudger> one's a celeron and ones a p4
[10:47] <fatejudger> but it's enough
[10:47] <Hobbsee> true
[10:47] <KaoticEvil> cept for the fact that they're intel based....
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> i miss my dual Athlon box! :(
[10:49] <DjDarkman> noone knows how to set the 'default' soundcard?
[10:50] <insanekane> osh: have you tried installing the xine engine for kaffeine ?
[10:50] <insanekane> osh: and also the w32codecs ?
[10:52] <DjDarkman> #ubuntu-hardware
[10:52] <DjDarkman> sorry
[10:52] <picca> does kubuntu still use gnome utilities for things like package management?
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> picca: no.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> picca: no, there's adept
[10:53] <Hobbsee> !tell picca about adept
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> theres adept, apt-get, and aptitude
[10:53] <Hobbsee> that too
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> i wonder if i could run lxdoom on this...
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> DooM 2 ran ok...
[10:54] <picca> i am just thinking that i'd like to move from ubuntu to kubuntu because i like KDE, but i wouldn't like it if there were still all the gnome stuff from ubuntu installed - so if i download the ISO and do a fresh install will gnome be installed with all its stuff?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> picca: no, if you download a kubuntu iso, there will be no gnome stuff installed
[10:55] <picca> that is excellent Hobbsee :)
[10:55] <KaoticEvil> ya gotta do that yourself lol
[10:55] <Hobbsee> definetly
[10:55] <picca> just what i am after
[10:55] <Hobbsee> i cant stand gnome either :P
[10:55] <picca> :)
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> sadly, i have a need to isntall some gnome libs :(
[10:56] <picca> i just don't like having a mixture of gnome and kde apps - i prefer everything to be KDE
[10:56] <Hobbsee> mine's predominantly kde
[10:57] <picca> i am currently running KDE under ubuntu and i have to say it seems a lot faster than gnome
[10:57] <Hobbsee> picca: it seems like it could be, some people say it is, some say it isnt
[10:57] <_basic> yo
[10:57] <picca> i guess it depends on your system
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hey _basic
[10:57] <Hobbsee> true
[10:57] <_basic> anyone wanna tell me how to put a user back into the default groups
[10:58] <_basic> i was trying to add myself to the games group and it deleted me from the other groups
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> oh, if adept crashes on me again, im gonna be PISSED!
[10:58] <insanekane> _basic: i dont wanna tell you
[10:58] <_basic> :(
[10:59] <_basic> im root user right now
[10:59] <rendi> Sir how to configure kubuntu my mouse serial i'm use breezy
[10:59] <xxenon> morning. I can see kubuntu.org announcing 3.5RC1, but I dont see any upgrade actually available
[10:59] <xxenon> (same apt source)
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> xxenon: you have to add the repos yourself...
[10:59] <_basic> or is there a log somewhere
[10:59] <rendi> i type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but no option about mouse serial there
[10:59] <_basic> where would the log be for everything outputted in bash
[11:00] <xxenon> KaoticEvil - I added the one listed on the homepage. Same as beta 2
[11:00] <xxenon> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php needs to be updated.
[11:00] <xxenon> repo is wrong
[11:00] <Hobbsee> xxenon: already PM'd Riddell about this
[11:00] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main is the correct repo
[11:00] <rendi> hello
[11:01] <Hobbsee> hi rendi
[11:01] <rendi> how ?
[11:01] <xxenon> Hobbsee - okay
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> yeah, thats it lol... i was looking for it...
[11:01] <Hobbsee> xxenon: that repo, "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main" will get you the upgrade
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> i dont think ill be trying it agian tho...
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> again*
[11:01] <xxenon> Hobbsee - yeah...found it..upgrade in progess :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:03] <rendi> how to configure kubuntu with my mouse serial i'm use breezy
[11:04] <rendi> ?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> rendi: it didnt work when you plugged it in?
[11:05] <insanekane> rendi: i think, you may have to do some XFree86Config hacking
[11:05] <rendi> blah
[11:05] <insanekane> rendi: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:05] <rendi> so it mean breeze can't use with serial mouse
[11:05] <rendi> i have done with that
[11:06] <rendi> i use /dev/ttyS0
[11:06] <rendi> not work
[11:06] <insanekane> rendi: i have used serial mice with kubuntu .. they get detected on their own, without any problems
[11:06] <eckhart> hi
[11:07] <insanekane> rendi: what about the option Protocol ?
[11:07] <eckhart> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php <-- that page is a bit strange
[11:07] <rendi> insanekane u use default conf without edit anything ??
[11:08] <insanekane> rendi: yep the system auto detects everything ... seeing as serial mice were around for a *long* time
[11:08] <eckhart> as it still tells about kde 3.5 beta2
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell eckhart about kde3.5
[11:08] <Hobbsee> eckhart: link is wrong
[11:08] <Hobbsee> should be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[11:08] <eckhart> Hobbsee: yeah, i guessed that ;-)
[11:08] <KaoticEvil> Hobbsee: does ubotu have correct info?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> no, it's linking to the page
[11:09] <rendi> ok thanks insanekane i'll reconfigure again
[11:09] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main
[11:09] <Hobbsee> is the link you want
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> ok
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> damn java is freakin huge.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> not sure if Riddell wants the bot updated
[11:09] <KaoticEvil> where does apt-get cache the deb's it downloads?
[11:10] <insanekane> KaoticEvil: /var/cache/apt
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> and does it delete them when after they're installed?
[11:10] <insanekane> KaoticEvil: not unless you do a purge
[11:10] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: apt-get stores it's debs in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:10] <KaoticEvil> cool.. i may make me a CD...
[11:10] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: or a -clean
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> right.. ive done -clean before
[11:11] <CellarDoor> evening all
[11:11] <KaoticEvil> ah hell.. i forgot to install samba with this run. dammit.
[11:11] <CellarDoor> my kubuntu is cactus
[11:11] <rendi> it work thanks c ya
[11:12] <CellarDoor> I'm using an ubuntu live CD... does anyone know how I can mount my hard drive so I can edit my xorg.conf and maybe (fingers crossed) be able to boot my system again ?
[11:13] <insanekane> CellarDoor: mount /dev/hd<devicename> /<mountpoint> should work
[11:13] <nalioth> CellarDoor: you can edit your xorg.conf from a console on the installed ubuntu
[11:14] <CellarDoor> ?
[11:14] <CellarDoor> I'm a n00b
[11:14] <insanekane> hmm
[11:14] <CellarDoor> I cant boot my installed kubuntu
[11:15] <nalioth> CellarDoor: then you dont have an xorg problem
[11:15] <CellarDoor> I'm not sure what my device name is for my hard drive
[11:15] <Hobbsee> CellarDoor: fdisk -l
[11:15] <insanekane> sudo ..
[11:16] <CellarDoor> kubuntu starts up and seems to be starting normally, my nvidia screen flashes up momentarily (not as long as usual) then it goes back to text and stops
[11:16] <amu> CellarDoor: open a konsole and type: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt .. .ext3 ist the filesystype /dev/hda1 your 1st. ide harddisk /mnt mountpoint
[11:16] <Russel-Athletic> is there a mirror to the kubuntu kde3.5rc1 packages?
[11:16] <nalioth> amu: that isn't his problem
[11:16] <nalioth> amu: CellarDoor is ignorant of his options
[11:16] <CellarDoor> that I am
[11:17] <nalioth> CellarDoor: at your text, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:17] <nalioth> CellarDoor: and choose the VESA option (this will get you going until you can figure out nvidia)
[11:17] <amu> nalioth: hehe
[11:18] <CellarDoor> nalioth ? I'm using a live cd
[11:19] <nalioth> CellarDoor: then get out of it and boot back into your regular install
[11:19] <CellarDoor> I already said i cant
[11:19] <CellarDoor> It hangs
[11:19] <CellarDoor> thats why Im using a live cd
[11:20] <Hobbsee> !tell Russel-Athletic about kde3.5
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Russel-Athletic: not sure about a mirror
[11:20] <Russel-Athletic> there is no mirror...
[11:20] <Russel-Athletic> the problem is, i am behind a proxy (can't configure it) and it gives me the old packages
[11:21] <Hobbsee> even with the new repository?
[11:21] <Russel-Athletic> !tell Russel-Athletic about kde3.5
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[11:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[11:21] <Hobbsee> if that helps
[11:22] <Russel-Athletic> thx it works
[11:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:23] <Russel-Athletic> on the homepage there is still the beta2 rep
[11:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's wrong, PM'd the guy who does the page about it already
[11:24] <Russel-Athletic> k
[11:25] <CellarDoor> ok, could someone tell me how to mount my hard drive using this live CD so I can edit my xorg.conf ?
[11:26] <spiral> anyone knows if others packages should come soon or if it may be delayed for sometime ?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> spiral: for which?
[11:26] <nalioth> CellarDoor: scroll up and read waht amu told you?
[11:26] <spiral> Hobbsee: kde 3.5rc1
[11:26] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming that more will be done over teh weekend, but couldnt tell you for sure, as i'm not compiling them
[11:27] <spiral> Hobbsee: 'right
[11:28] <KaoticEvil> hmmmmm... now thats odd...
[11:28] <Russel-Athletic> k restarting for kde3.5rc1... see you on my next question :)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> hehe good luck Russel-Athletic!
[11:29] <_thumper_> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php still says to put beta2 in sources.list
[11:29] <Hobbsee> _thumper_: it's wrong
[11:29] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[11:29] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[11:29] <_thumper_> I realised that
[11:30] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[11:31] <clemux> hi
[11:35] <bimberi> hi clemux
[11:36] <CellarDoor> amu I don't understand
[11:40] <murray> anyone know if you can map the next/prev tab keys in firefox to something other than the defaults?
[11:43] <eliezer> kde or gnome?
[11:44] <murray> kde
[11:45] <eliezer> yeah, i tought the same, murray.
[11:46] <_thumper_> I've just installed KDE3.5RC1 and adept shows three packages are BROKEN (installed), how bad is this?
[11:46] <co_mo_janda> #banda aceh
[11:46] <_thumper_> they are kdebase, kdesktop and kdm
[11:46] <spiral> _thumper_: apt-get -f install in a shell maybe ?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> _thumper_: tried sudo apt-get install...let me get it...
[11:47] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kdebase-bin
[11:47] <Hobbsee> then upgrade
[11:47] <Hobbsee> and it should be fine
[11:47] <Hobbsee> then go write it in the wiki :P
[11:47] <Hobbsee> already done that, and it works
[11:47] <spiral> _thumper_: you might see a problem with kde-data... I had to do : dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5-rc1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb
[11:48] <hc> Aloha - erhm, where can i download libdvdcss ?
[11:50] <eliezer> www.google.com
[11:50] <hc> brilliant
[11:50] <eliezer> :)
[11:50] <robotgeek> !tell hc about RestrictedFormats
[11:50] <nalioth> !libdvdcss2
[11:50] <ubotu> I heard libdvdcss2 is to enable DVD playback, read and use this local file for libdvdcss2 /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh   Don't have this file? Install "libdvdread3"
[11:50] <freeflying> are there similar package as streamtuner in kde
[11:50] <nalioth> y'all get with the program
[11:50] <robotgeek> that's faster :)
[11:51] <nalioth> use the bot to help everyone
[11:51] <mornfall> KaoticEvil: maybe you forgot to report the BUG?
[11:51] <hc> brillaint - thanks
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> mornfall: huh?
[11:52] <mornfall> #kubuntu: < KaoticEvil> oh, if adept crashes on me again, im gonna be PISSED!
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> heh.. i didnt get a crash screen.. it just died
[11:53] <mornfall> keep your piss for yourself, or at least be helpful
[11:53] <KaoticEvil> if i had gotten a crash screen, i would have reported it
[11:54] <KaoticEvil> it just went *poof*
[11:54] <mornfall> so it's worth complaining about but not reporting right?
[11:54] <murray> how'd you change the font in konsole?
[11:54] <KaoticEvil> mornfall: what was i supposed to report? that it just dissapeared on me?
[11:55] <robotgeek> i thought kde had a program which launched an reported the bugs for you when a program crashes?
[11:55] <mornfall> KaoticEvil: maybe what were you doing at the time, if it's reproducible, how, ...?
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> i was just going thru the packages.. and no, it hasnt happened before or since
[11:55] <KaoticEvil> robotgeek: it does, but it didnt come up
[11:58] <murray> or rather, how do you change the fonts such that the changes remain when you quit konsole and restart it
[11:58] <KaoticEvil> murray: change the font, then click Settings -> Save as Default
[11:59] <murray> ta
[11:59] <KaoticEvil> yup :)
[11:59] <kie> hello
[12:00] <kie> i got a problem withz my grub loader after reinstalling windows on my first patition
[12:00] <kie> my grub loader isn't there anymore
[12:00] <KaoticEvil> kie: thats because windows installs its own bootloader
[12:00] <kie> yeah i know
[12:00] <bimberi> kie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:00] <kie> thx
[12:01] <KaoticEvil> wow... they got everything on the wiki lol
[12:01] <bimberi> kie: np :)
[12:01] <bimberi> KaoticEvil: it's a helluva url innit? :)
[12:02] <KaoticEvil> yeah, no joke
[12:05] <julius> kubuntu or genome?
[12:26] <{{corona}}> hi after my last reboot the boot sequence ends up in a file system check on root and asks for root password! now my sudo password does not work as root. and therefore the only other option is to press ctrl-d which reboots the system and the same thing happens again. earlier a ctrl-d would carry on and kubuntu would startup. can someone help?
[12:32] <{{corona}}> anyone here to help?
[12:33] <Niomi> it's a wee hour of the morning here in the states, everyone is likely asleep.. i know i should be. the kubuntu channel is quiet compared to ubuntu, don't give up and try again :)
[12:33] <{{corona}}> oh ok then you should sleep too
[12:34] <bimberi> {{corona}}: can you boot into "recovery mode"?  if so, set a root password that you can use for the fsck
[12:35] <hussam> it shouldn't ask for root password for filesystem check, at least it doesn't here.
[12:35] <{{corona}}> even recovery mode gets into thiis file check
[12:35] <bimberi> {{corona}}: :(
[12:35] <{{corona}}> :(
[12:36] <hussam> ask in #ubuntu
[12:36] <{{corona}}> ok
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> brb, restarting K
[12:41] <bimberi> {{corona}}: another thought -  try running fsck from a livecd
[12:41] <{{corona}}> well i dont have one..
[12:41] <{{corona}}> i shall look around
[12:43] <{{corona}}> are there any special boot up commands i can give?
[12:47] <KaoticEvil> ubuntu-dekstop is a meta-pakage, right?
[12:48] <crimsun> yes.
[12:48] <KaoticEvil> so its safe to remove it?
[12:48] <crimsun> same as edubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <crimsun> yes
[12:48] <crimsun> just remember to add it back when you dist-upgrade to dapper
[12:48] <crimsun> s/when/before/
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> s/before/if ;)
[12:49] <KaoticEvil> i probably wont... not on this box...
[12:50] <murr> when i log off the session is saved. how can i disable this?
[12:50] <KaoticEvil> what abou language-support-en.... can i remove that one as well?
[12:50] <KaoticEvil> about*
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> murr: in kcontrol under kde components is session manager.
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> murr: you want to tell it to start with an empty session on login.
[12:51] <KaoticEvil> hey LeeJunFan :)
[12:51] <murr> LeeJunFan: ah, ok. thank you
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hi, you still working on kde?
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> nah
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> it wouldnt start :P
[12:52] <KaoticEvil> so i killed it, and re-installed heh
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> getting things sorted out now
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hrm, I didn't see 'wouldn't start' on the known issues page. hehe :)
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I did see someoen said theres a problem with arts though.
[12:55] <KaoticEvil> lol LeeJunFan
[12:56] <KaoticEvil> i think ill wait until im a bit more knowledgable before i go running pre-release software tho ;)
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I've found that running a pre release desktop environment just isn't worth the few extra features you get, not if it's on a system you actually want to make use of.
[12:57] <KaoticEvil> exactly my point :)
[12:57] <KaoticEvil> perhaps one day... like with KDE 4.5 or something:P
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> ah, finally.. OOo is GONE! yay! *does a happy dance*
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I've got my system partitioned with 2 5G's, and a big part for /home so I have one 5G part with the OS I use, and another 5G for playing, usually run devel version of kubuntu.
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> wow
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: that way I can play on one and if it's messed up I can always boot back to stable one.
[12:58] <KaoticEvil> right
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> eventually, im going to ahve me a system with 6 or 7 differnet OS's on it :)
[12:59] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: esp prerelease that is less than 12 hours old, eh?
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> for trouble shooting purposes
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: OS junkie.
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: i was here when Riddell posted it.. i was downloading less thna 5 mins later :P
[12:59] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: yes, i am...
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: at one point, i had VMWare installed under XP, and i had 25 different OS's installed...
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you could install windows 7 times and setup a rotation schedule to use a different one each day, which should greatly extend the amount of time between having to re-install windows :)
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> and i would routinely boot 7 or 8 of them at one time
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: haha, I did something like that just to be a smart ass.
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: And I ran them all at once and took a screenshot.
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i never had a problem with windows stability, at least not after i moved to 2k/XP
[01:00] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: as did i... it has since been lost on the internet somewhere... lol
[01:01] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: well we're lucky you are not a cinder
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> and, tbh, i had a 98 install that ran non-stop, and was used, every day, for almsot a year
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: windows 3.1,95,98, plus I had uae running amiga, and mac emulation, and the commodore 64,128, vic, pet, etc... all on the screen at one time.
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: mine were all 32-bit OS's ;)
[01:01] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: a cinder?
[01:02] <nalioth> pre release software 5 minutes old? smokin hot dude
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i had 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2K Pro, Server, and Adv. Server, XP Pro and Home...
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> all running at the same time on an XP Pro host system
[01:03] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: please dont scare us with your history of abuse
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> I think I did this before XP was out if I remember right.
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: :P
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: do i sense a lil animosity? :P
[01:04] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: no. you sense several train car loads of it
[01:04] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: ive also installed XP on a 200MHz pentium 1 laptop, with 128MB of RAM
[01:04] <KaoticEvil> LOL nalioth
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> ok, well, im off to watch a movie
[01:05] <`Nomad> hi..  Could someone show me what their fstab line is for /home?   Mine got screwed up, and I can't run scripts anymore..
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> or something.. maybe i can sleep...
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: hehe, I've been there too. As long as you don't run out of ram by using more than one app at a time it's usable.
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i was running several apps at once..
[01:05] <`Nomad> Mine has this now     /dev/hda3 /home ext3 defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid,users 0 2
[01:06] <KaoticEvil> and i was ripping an ISO ;)
[01:06] <`Nomad> I have a feeling that the defaults doesn't go there
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> What do you know, I found my screenshot in the first dir I looked in. Only it is windows XP and I only have one copy of windows running in this one. I swear I had one running with more windows too somewhere. The search goes on.
[01:09] <insanekane> what do i do to get rid of this error ? -> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> damn, fish:// nor sftp:// doesn't seem to work for me in konqueror :(
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> hrm, fish doesn't like the non-standard port I have ssh listening on.
[01:16] <CORONA> hi i got my boot thing fixed
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot2.png
[01:26] <Kibou> anyone else getting an "growisofs did not exit cleanly" error with k3b?
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> Kibou: I haven't.
[01:31] <Snifffurt> Hello.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> Kibou: what type of DVD are you burning? not sure that it matters.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> Kibou: I don't think I've done a data DVD in a while.
[01:32] <Snifffurt> After experiencing some bugs in Kmail I made sort of the decision to switch back to thunderbird. But is there a way to import ~/Mail/* into thunderbird?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: is there an export mail option in kmail?
[01:33] <Kibou> data dvd.. yea
[01:34] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: but how will I import the result into TB
[01:34] <Snifffurt> ?
[01:34] <Kibou> the dvd is fine though
[01:34] <Hobbsee> there's an import button
[01:34] <Kibou> plays fine.. did a md5 check on the files
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hey, where's it gone!
[01:34] <Hobbsee> *goes off and searches*
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ah....
[01:35] <Kibou> just that error annoys and after it ejects the dvd it doesn't insert it again to verify
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: go into your address book in TB, tools, import, then import from there, if it will let you
[01:35] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: It will only import comunicator 4 data AFAIS
[01:35] <Hobbsee> darn
[01:35] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: the adressbook is no prob
[01:35] <Hobbsee> afais?
[01:35] <Snifffurt> throuch .csv
[01:36] <Snifffurt> AFAIS= As Far As I See
[01:37] <Hobbsee> rightt
[01:37] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: and where is this "export mail" button?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> i could have sworn i saw it there, back when i tried using kmail...dont all email programs have an export button?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> i'm sorry, maybe it's gone awol
[01:38] <Snifffurt> Kmail doesent seem to be one of them
[01:38] <Snifffurt> But AFAIK it uses the Maildir standard
[01:38] <Snifffurt> wich is open
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: I think OE has an exploit button.
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: hehehehehe
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> anyone ever use the kde kiosktool?  Most of us have to fight to convince people :)
[01:50] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Secondly, I have played with the thing and liked it much.
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: nice, thanks.
[01:50] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: But your chance of success is greatest if you can fit whatever they need in a web application, and limit the user interface to a single konqueror.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: it's funny, I actually recommended they not do it because of the learning curve for the staff, drew up a big pros/cons, but they insisted.
[01:51] <Juerd> Learning curves are very temporary.
[01:51] <Juerd> They had to learn how to use the current system, they will have to learn how to use the next one, regardless of when and which.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: for the most part, I probably will. The main problem is going to be web pages that only display correctly with IE.
[01:52] <Juerd> Are those internal pages, or internet stuff?
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: basically they are going to get konqueror and/or firefox with openoffice and kpdf.
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: internet stuff.
[01:53] <Juerd> Ah
[01:53] <Juerd> Then consider running a proxy that adds a message to known IE-only sites
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I suppose if it turns out to be a super problem there's always the option of crossover with ie.
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: but I hate that crutch.
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, they get their internet from me and they already have a squidserver with a content filter on it.
[01:55] <Juerd> In a red box: "The creators of this web site choose not to support our system. Some elements may look bad or even function incorrectly."
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: amazing how many pervs will try to look at pr0n in broad daylight in a public place with 100 other people and kids walking around them.
[01:55] <Juerd> Wow.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I'm sad to say the small town I live in here is infested with pervs.
[01:56] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Avoid Wine.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I'd like to avoid any windows dependancies if at all possible.
[01:56] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: And other methods of running IE. It'll only get you the same problems a Windows machine has, but without the Windows framework needed to fix them.
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, that was my thought. Nothing like having to run spybot on linux. hehe
[01:57] <Juerd> Also, realize that OpenOffice.org, as a non-KDE program, cannot easily be limited.
[01:58] <Juerd> One thing I've done for a single public terminal, is to simply restore the entire home directory each time the machine is rebooted.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I'm not too worried about that. I figured what I'll do is to chmod many of the files in the /home dir as non writeable so worst case scenario if someone does manage to change a setting a logout/in will fix it all.
[01:58] <Juerd> It boots fast, and the user only gets one button to log out, which is connected to the RESET pins on the motherboard.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I considered that route too.
[01:59] <Juerd> The upside of this is that every user starts with a very clean environment
[01:59] <Juerd> But can still do everything they like.
[02:00] <Juerd> Depending on the circumstances, it may even be nice to give users their own accounts.
[02:00] <Juerd> Which for a small fee (excluded staff) they can retain.
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: thought about that too, would give them more opportunity to learn linux if I allowed them to play with it, and simply had something setup so the staff could clean the account if a patrom messes it up.
[02:02] <jatos> hi
[02:02] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Cleaning is a matter of wiping everything except ~/documents :)
[02:03] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: And then copying /etc/skel back to it
[02:03] <jatos> I had a problem yesterday with kaffeine complaning is can't find a decoded for mp3 or wma, with win32 codes installed
[02:03] <jatos> installed xine, still doesn't work
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: right, I've put a lot of thought into this too. I did a kiosk system a LONG time ago with kde 1.something. hehe
[02:04] <Juerd> jatos: Have you installed the libmad0 package?
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: but that was just one, this is going to be a bit bigger.
[02:05] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: I hope for you that it is possible to set up a single beefed up server, and have the clients run dumbed down X terminals
[02:05] <jatos> no...
[02:05] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: That makes maintenance a hell of a lot easier than maintaining a lot of separate computers :)
[02:05] <jatos> just installing....
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I've got the beefed up server already, and it's a library rebuilding so they are getting all brand new workstations too.
[02:06] <jatos> have now though, waiting to see if it works
[02:06] <jatos> same problem
[02:06] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Just don't forget to set up ulimits and disable java ;)
[02:06] <Juerd> !mp3
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> so, with a bunch of identical machines and HD's I can dd from one setup hd to all the others.
[02:06] <Juerd> jatos: Type !mp3
[02:06] <jatos> !mp3
[02:06] <Juerd> jatos: Now read the message you got :)
[02:07] <jatos> Someone said that 22 seconds ago
[02:07] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Yea. Be careful with hostnames, though. It may be useful to script something to set the hostname based on the IP address you get.
[02:07] <jatos> uboto doesn't seem to understand
[02:07] <jatos> !wma
[02:08] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[02:08] <jatos> !restricted
[02:08] <thoreauputic> bah too long
[02:08] <thoreauputic> it gets diverted to msg
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> !ubotu wake the f*k up!
[02:09] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, LeeJunFan
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> hehe, saw that.
[02:09] <Juerd> thoreauputic: That's why the factoids should be limited to a single URL
[02:09] <thoreauputic> anyway it's  wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:09] <thoreauputic> Juerd: yes, they are getting too long
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I'll probably just use DHCP as for the hostnames issue.
[02:12] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: In any case, good luck to you, and please document your experiences in an article, or a journal.
[02:13] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: One quick public note from your side may save others troubles you run into.
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: will do. I'm wondering if I should use ldap or simply mount /home over nfs from the server.
[02:13] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: My favourite is to use simply X terminals
[02:13] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: The actual programs then run on the server
[02:14] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Any standard linux distribution, without ldap or nfs, can then be used.
[02:14] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: It does require a server that can handle a lot.
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: true, but then one konqueror with a runaway plugin kills the group.
[02:14] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: ulimit
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> well, ulimit.
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> right.
[02:15] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: /etc/security/limits.conf
[02:15] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: How many workstations would this thing have?
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: yeah, I've worked with that before too, back in the suicidal days of allowing people to have shell access on the ISP webserver. hehe
[02:15] <Juerd> My rule of thumb is to have 100 MB of RAM per workstation, but usually they use less than 80
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: 30 I think.
[02:16] <Juerd> Oh, that's very doable
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I think that's probably the way to go. Although one thing I have never done is remote X terminals. :)
[02:20] <osh> I just can't get multimedia to work in kubuntu. What am I doing wrong? First of all kaffeine doesn't play the vobs and secondly it doesn't die and just hangs in the background eating cpu... :-/
[02:20] <jatos> btw, anyone know how to use wifi using just the console
[02:20] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: It's easy.
[02:20] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: The X *server* runs on the client computer, the X *client* is a program that connects to it, and it runs on the server computer.
[02:21] <osh> Is there a more updated faq than the one in /topic which is for hoary?
[02:21] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Set up, on the client, an X server, and run nothing on it. This is as simple as running X (not startx)
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: I understand that :) I just have never configured it to connect to a remote X server on boot.
[02:21] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Then, on the server computer, run "DISPLAY=<IP_ADDRESS> startkde" and you're done.
[02:21] <Juerd> (This assumes you want automatic (or actually, no) logins)
[02:22] <Juerd> You can also use a desktop manager like kdm or gdm.
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: right, I think that's the route I'll go and allow multiple user accounts.
[02:22] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Have it run: X & ssh guest@server "DISPLAY=$MYIP:0 startkde"
[02:22] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: Or, even simpler:
[02:22] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: X & ssh -X guest@server startkde
[02:23] <Juerd> Which saves you the trouble of trying to find your own IP.
[02:23] <Juerd> And lets ssh do the X forwarding.
[02:23] <Juerd> Extra goodness about that is that you can have ssh compress everything, to limit network use.
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: right. thanks.
[02:24] <Juerd> Hm, a little correction: X & DISPLAY=:0 ssh -X guest@server startkde
[02:24] <Juerd> Otherwise it doesn't know that it should use the local display :)
[02:24] <Juerd> LeeJunFan: I'm off to get some food now. Again, good luck and keep the world informed :)
[02:25] <spiral> 'bye
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: thanks for the help.
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Juerd: later.
[02:27] <osh> does kaffeine work for you guys? I'm |-- --| this far from throwing kubuntu out and going back to gentoo. Atleast there I can get the fscking media player working. :-(
[02:43] <osh> Some sort of feedback would be nice. Is it my installation that is botched because kaffeine works for everyone else, is it a known issue? Is there a fix? The faq in /topic is outdated so no help there. I can fix most things myself but I don't want to go out chasing something that is already known.
[02:45] <Juerd> It works for me. I have no idea what could be wrong with yours, though.
[02:47] <PJeremy> osh: have you installed w32codecs ?
[02:52] <jatos> osh, just get VLC
[02:52] <jatos> it will make you life a lot easier...
[02:53] <osh> PJeremy: I did, from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/, but that doesn't explain the hanging process. And it still doesnt work. :-/
[02:53] <jatos> ah...
[02:54] <osh> jatos: I can get vlc and probably will, but if kaffeine doesn't work that might indicate that other things are broken on my machine too. I'd like to find out what's wrong.
[02:54] <jatos> kaffeine doesn't work for me, half the packages for it don't come as standard
[02:55] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:55] <osh> jatos: Ah, good to know. Atleast I'm not alone with this problem then. =)
[02:55] <jatos> lol
[02:55] <jatos> if you want anything to work I say get VLC
[02:56] <jatos> all its needs now is a playlist plugin...
[02:56] <PJeremy> jatos: wmv don't work for me in vlc..
[02:56] <PJeremy> of course.. wmv is not very important either..
[02:57] <jatos> oh, I can get all other formats to work
[02:57] <jatos> got win32 codes?
[02:57] <jatos> *codecs
[02:57] <PJeremy> jatos: yea, it's just wmv in vlc, which works in mplayer, and mplayer crashes with dvds, which vlc plays fine heh..
[02:57] <v-dogg> can somebody recommend a good SVN gui for KDE?
[02:58] <v-dogg> I've used TortoiseSVN on Windows
[02:58] <PJeremy> osh: i think the "not dieing and eating cpu" was already known in hoary...
[02:59] <osh> PJeremy: That's what I seem to remember too but one would assume that an issue like that would be fixed between releases?
[03:02] <PJeremy> osh: yea. i haven't used kaffeine yet, since it crashed in-game scenes in wine if i didn't kill it before playing in hoary..
[03:05] <jatos> btw anyone here use windows as well ubuntu, whether out of choice or because you have to eg work pc's
[03:06] <v-dogg> jatos: _o/
[03:06] <PJeremy> jatos: i do, for games not working in wine/cedega
[03:07] <caz481> According to the beta kde probelms page, it says to lock the arts packages.  How do I lock a package?
[03:11] <jatos> ah
[03:11] <jatos> to be honest, cedega sucks big time
[03:12] <jatos> some may argue thats my opinion but with experiences, I have good grounds
[03:12] <PJeremy> jatos: well, it supports the wrong games for me...
[03:14] <murray_> hello ... how'd you trigger suspend to ram/disk, once you've enabled it in the system settings -> acpi ?
[03:17] <buz> can anyone explain why http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php points to the beta2 repository?
[03:18] <nalioth> buz: it is a misprint
[03:18] <buz> copy paste it seems
[03:18] <buz> so i can just use http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 ?
[03:19] <buz> yeah that seems to work
[03:19] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[03:19] <ubotu> hmm... kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[03:19] <buz> yeah i figured that by trial and error ;)
[03:20] <buz> lets hope arts is fixed
[03:20] <nalioth> pin it
[03:20] <botein> hi
[03:22] <v-dogg> how do I unmount usb memory stick from kde?
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: how did you mount it?
[03:23] <v-dogg> just plugged it in
[03:23] <botein> Today there was an anouncement that a new kde version had been released.
[03:24] <botein> The link in this post looks wrong to me
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: there should be a system menu right next to the kde menu on your taskbar, go to media.
[03:24] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[03:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: once you are in media:// in konqueror just right click the device and choose to remove safely.
[03:25] <botein> @ubotu the repo is not yet complete
[03:25] <v-dogg> LeeJunFan: thank you very much
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> np.
[03:25] <v-dogg> I'm begining to like this... :)
[03:26] <v-dogg> what's the current KDE version?
[03:27] <botein> upstream or kubuntu?
[03:27] <nalioth> pin arts
[03:27] <v-dogg> kubuntu
[03:27] <v-dogg> ie. what kde version am I using :)
[03:27] <botein> breezy has 3.4.3
[03:28] <LeeJunFan> anybody running kubuntu inside vmware RC with linux as a host? I need to setup 2 kubuntu's in vmware to start work on a remote X server client.
[03:30] <acvardar> Hello, I am having a weird problem about internet speed. pages loads extremely slow on Konqueror, is there any setting I have to play with? approximately it tkaes 2 minutes to open google.com on a 1.5 Mbit connection while on the same computer running XP loads the page in just a second.
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: I wonder if it's a deeper networking problem, that doesn't make sense, and no you shouldn't have to set anything special up.
[03:32] <nalioth> acvardar: have you restarted all your networking devices?
[03:33] <acvardar> hmm not, maybe i should restart the adls modem, i will eb back shortly.
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: try pinging your gateway IP from a command line with this 'sudo ping -c 500 -i .002 -s 1472 [gateway ip] ' and make sure the pings aren't dropping or getting high latency.
[03:34] <nalioth> acvardar: let it sit for at least 2 minutes, and unplug any routers you may have also
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> anyone know if ATI has a driver that compiles clean on 2.6.14 yet?
[03:35] <acvardar> i tried that ping and it is extremely nice speed
[03:36] <acvardar> 500 packaets transmitted adn 500 received , 0 lost, time 2100ms
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: well, it doesn't seem like it could be a network problem then, but you may as well rule it out and try restarting everything.
[03:36] <botein> @LeeJunFan would be interesting. Isn't 2.6.14 dapper goal?
[03:37] <acvardar> i will eb back after modem restart.
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> botein: I dunno, I haven't started using dapper just yet, maybe next weekend :)
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: your pings are a little higher than mine
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: nevermind. they are still way low.
[03:38] <v-dogg> and one more question (for now): how can I (down)load new locales/languages to kubuntu?
[03:39] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: adept should take care of that for you.
[03:39] <v-dogg> I'm now using US English but I'd like to try my own language too
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg: what is your native language? Just curious, your grammer seems very good for english not being your native :)
[03:41] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: not surprising is it?
[03:42] <v-dogg> LeeJunFan: Finnish
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: for some it is, I'm used to non-english people phrasing more like yoda.
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: mostly middle eastern and asian do that though.
[03:43] <v-dogg> haha
[03:43] <cvardar> i am back and still having the sam e problem
[03:43] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: offtopic: the american school system sucks harshly /offtopic
[03:43] <cvardar> it takes decades to load jus t apage
[03:46] <cvardar> anybody has an idea in order to find the source of the problem ?
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: install wget if you don't already have it.
[03:46] <nalioth> cvardar: do you have a livecd?
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: I'm going to setup a test for you.
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: that's too obvious. :)
[03:46] <cvardar> no i do not have it right here just installed kubuntu 5.10 but if needed i cna downlaod
[03:46] <angelusco> heyall
[03:47] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: but easy