[02:07] <tonyh> hello everyone
[02:09] <tonyh> Does anyone use cairo dock?
[02:18] <MichaelP> Why does chromium get along with free ati driver  but with fglrx kwin crash when useing chromium ?
[04:02] <alephZero> people!
[05:49] <Smilerut> is there any way to have a setup without a DE that still looks nice
[05:49] <Smilerut> every such setup that I've seen looks boring as sin
[06:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:56] <lordievader> Smilerut: Without a DE? That would be just making it hard for yourself.
[07:24] <aws7> The system is too heavy اه
[07:24] <aws7> hi
[07:25] <lordievader> aws7: What system?
[07:26] <aws7> Intel i3 device Ram 2 g specifications
[07:26] <aws7> kubntou
[07:26] <lordievader> Hmm, i3 is not very powerfull. Anyhow what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[07:27] <aws7> 15.4
[07:29] <aws7> kubntou 15.04
[07:29] <lordievader> aws7: This guide is for Plasma 4 (you are running Plasma 5), but I suppose many things carry over: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889034
[07:30] <aws7> Thank you
[07:55] <ChrisAdChoc> Hi
[07:55] <lordievader> o/
[07:56] <ChrisAdChoc> My monitor Dell U2713h enters power saving mode after Alt+Ctrl+F1...
[07:57] <ChrisAdChoc> monitor is connected via DP 1.8
[07:58] <ChrisAdChoc> I suspect that monitor via display port do not support console low resolution.
[08:00] <ChrisAdChoc> Do you have any experience connected with that?
[08:01] <lordievader> Not really, I am using the U2713hm and that works fine.
[08:01] <lordievader> Granted I am not using Kubuntu.
[08:09] <ChrisAdChoc> lordievader: Do you connect the display via DP?
[08:09] <lordievader> Yes.
[08:12] <akasic> heyo
[08:12] <ChrisAdChoc> lordievader: not kubuntu but maybe kde?
[08:13] <akasic> black screen?
[08:13] <ChrisAdChoc> nope but power saving mode
[08:13] <ChrisAdChoc> on alt+ctrl+f1...
[08:15] <akasic> what is the issue? maybe i can help (maybe)
[08:16] <lordievader> ChrisAdChoc: Yes, I am running kde.
[08:20] <lordievader> ChrisAdChoc: What graphics card and driver do you use?
[08:42] <ChrisAdChoc> lordievader: nvidia GTX760 and 352.21
[08:43] <ChrisAdChoc> but that problem do not exist on DVI-D interface
[08:43] <lordievader> Hmm, does the nVidia driver support modesetting nowadays? Else it could very well be that the resolution is too low.
[08:43] <ChrisAdChoc> I need to read about modesetting....
[08:44] <ChrisAdChoc> I need to go for couple of hours.
[08:44] <ChrisAdChoc> Thanks
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:19] <Ped7g> anyone on Plasma5.3.1 from backports PPA to check, if hers is crashing too upon RMB on appicon->Special Window Settings (and application as well) ... I get crash in kdeinit5 each time. Is it just my installation?
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  no, plasma 5 is still under deveopment and it has to integrate with plsama 4 and some syncs aren't working too well, update and upgrade to get the newest upgrades to your packages
[11:29] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: right now it looks like I have up to date 5.3.1 from Kubuntu backports PPA ("0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.")
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  try a dist-upgrade
[11:31] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: a day ago the menu did work, can't really recall if I was still on Plasma5.1, but that would make sense. So I would appreciate somebody who has the 5.3.1 packages to see, if they get crash too (as it's two mouse clicks away only)
[11:32] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: I'm on Kubuntu 15.04, after dist-upgrade (so nothing more to upgrade)
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  i was on 15.04 , but now I'm testing 15.10, so i can't reproduce your crashes
[11:33] <BluesKaj> actually 15.10 seems quite stable atm , but it's not meant for a situation the requires a stable OS
[11:34] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: I see, thanks for your time anyway. :) I can't go to 15.10, need this desktop at least partially stable, it's my work PC.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know what you mean , if were up to me 15.04 with plsama 5/KF5 was released much too soon. The deveolpment work wasn't nearly ready for anj official release
[11:40] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: so far from my personal problems I think that's understatement. It's not only about Plasma5 being not ready for stable release, but from reading some blogs and bug responses the actual design vision is almost completely going away from my needs and usage patterns. Not sure what to do now, running KDE4 is probably not an (future proof) option. LXDE maybe?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  in my case i just got fed up with 15.04 and returned to debian jessie as my main OS with kde4 of course
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  but as you LXDE  may be a good alternative too
[11:42] <BluesKaj> say
[11:43] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: so you expect the 5 to get up to it over time? I had difficult time already with 4, but toward end I got somewhat used to it, missing only very few things from KDE3.5. So far I don't see the same thing with 5, looks like the basic idea behind the desktop is now diverding too much from my taste.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  agreed, I'm not sure what the timeline is with plasma 5 becoming fully integrated as a complete desktop
[11:49] <Ped7g> I see Plasma 5.3.2 should be out by now. Any idea, when it will hit Kubuntu backports PPA for vivid (15.04)?
[12:24] <mparillo> I know it is available in Wily (15.10).
[12:27] <BluesKaj> can't seem to find a source for Plasma 5.3.2, been searching for a while and kubuntu seems to be skirting the where is the source question
[12:28] <BluesKaj> for 15.04
[12:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Its in the KDE git.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  yes I saw that but there's no source deb that can be added
[12:36] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Download it from their git?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> it says here that plasma 5.3.2 is in the backports http://linuxpitstop.com/install-or-upgrade-kde-plasma-5-3-2-in-ubuntu/
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  checkout my post above, this site claims 5.3.2 is in the backports already
[12:40] <lordievader> Not sure where they get that from. Lauchpad says Plasma-desktop is still at 5.3.1 for Vivid.
[12:45] <BluesKaj>  a lot of users don't know what to do when they're directed to git sources ,and git makes the assumption that users know how to use git
[12:47] <Miar>  Hi I am unable to use the internet even though it detects the wired connection on ubuntu. Any help please?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, the git images i found are old, definitely not plasma 5.3.2
[12:51] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: the KInfoCenter is telling me 5.3.1... imho that blog is simply wrong.
[12:51] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Source of plasma-desktop v5.3.2: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/plasma-desktop/repository/show?rev=v5.3.2
[12:52] <lordievader> Ped7g: It is, 5.3.2 ain't in Launchpad.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Micki,  what does this out put?  ,  ip a | grep inet , pastebin the output please
[12:53] <lordievader> Ped7g: Part of 5.3.2 seems to be in the Staging ppa though.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> oh great , another user expecting instant gratification
[12:54] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yeah i figured that url was faking it, because nowhere else even mentions the obvious backports
[12:55] <lordievader> Theoretically it could be talking about Wily.
[12:55] <Ped7g> lordievader: I don't expect those things to update in minutes, I was just wondering if somebody has idea how long it may take. Anyway, it will very likely fix very little of my problems with Plasma5 (excet some crashes, I hope), so no sweat. :)
[12:55] <lordievader> Ped7g: It won't be this week, the Kubuntu team is at Akademy.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  sorry for getting your hopes up , I should have realized that url was BS
[12:59] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: np. I tried to google for a short while, to see if there's some Plasma5 roadmap, or some design/vision, and I didn't find anything reasonable. The project wiki is more empty, than informative. Where's the design work done, is there some summary web? I would like to verify some of my feelings with some facts. :/
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  as lordievader mentioned ,a lot of the ppl in the know are away in Spain at the Akademy conference
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  i guess it's just not ready enough for 15.04 yet
[13:05] <BluesKaj> brb
[14:12] <yossarianuk> http://linuxpitstop.com/install-or-upgrade-kde-plasma-5-3-2-in-ubuntu/  ->> is just plaijn wrong
[14:12] <yossarianuk> in vivid at least its 5.3.1 (and has been that for weeks)
[14:13] <soee> true
[14:23] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, yes we realized that shortly after it was posted , it's a fake
[16:16] <diego__> Hello, I'm looking for help on how to apply a bug solution to my system using GIT.
[16:16] <diego__> I have already found the bug but I don't have much experience with GIT, so I was wodering if someone can give me some guidance.
[16:54] <soee> diego__: what bug ?
[16:54] <diego__> soee: thank you. It
[16:54] <diego__> 's number is 347602
[16:55] <diego__> soee: It's about the update notification systray icon.
[16:55] <soee> diego__: ok but you have fix for it ?
[16:57] <diego__> soee: I saw some code that appears to be a fix in the website.
[16:57] <diego__> https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided&product=muon&component=updater&version=5.3.1
[16:58] <diego__> I'm not sure if I should apply it.
[16:58] <soee> diego__: i'm not sure, if there is no patch you would have to create one, if there is patch you probanly would have to apply it to sourcees and recompile package
[16:59] <diego__> soee: I think there's a patch.  Do you mind guiding to apply it to sources and recompile?
[17:00] <soee> diego__: sorry, i'm not familiar with this :/
[17:01] <diego__> soee: That's alright.  Thanks though.
[17:02] <soee> diego__: you can try asking on #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel
[17:02] <diego__> soee: Cool.  I'll try that.
[18:13] <ubernoob> hi! anyone know how to chance the application launcher icon? used to be right click but its no longer there..
[18:13] <ubernoob> also, curious as to which window manager is used in 15.04, so i can look for themes?
[18:14] <soee> whta if you right click and pick Application Menu Settings ?
[18:14] <ubernoob> soee: it gives me a window with a small list of appearance options but nothing to do with the icon
[18:15] <soee> hmm i'm using alternative
[18:15] <soee> Application Menu not Lanuncher
[18:15] <soee> and here is such option
[18:15] <ubernoob> oh!
[18:15] <ubernoob> thank you soee.. user error.. i was using launcher
[18:17] <ubernoob> yay now I have an oldschool amiga boing ball for a button
[18:18] <vbgunz> does anyone know why my Kubuntu 14.10 installation refuses to see my Windows 7 installation for a grub entry? I can see and use the Windows installation when I'm in Kubuntu but grub never finds it to add it as an entry to the menu. I have to use the uefi boot key to boot from that disk. How can I get grub to find Windows 7?
[18:19] <soee> oh i'm not familiar with uefi etc.
[18:19] <ubernoob> every time i have done that it has always recognized my other partition with windows
[18:20] <soee> vbgunz: maybe worth checking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[18:20] <vbgunz> for me it's always recognized the other disk but that was with bios supported systems. This is my first time really using a uefi system and the first time I've come across this kind of problem
[18:21] <soee> i think in mye dell laptop uefi is disabled in bios
[18:24] <vbgunz> soee: hmm, this might be what I need, I feel like I'm onto something, I hope!
[18:24] <soee> :)
[18:27] <vbgunz> alright gotta reboot and double check these settings
[18:28] <soee> ok tel us how it went
[18:33] <ubernoob> i used to have a dektop in 14.04 that had a movable earth with constellations and zoom, wish i could remember where i got it or what animated wallpapers were called?
[18:35] <soee> wallpaper
[18:35] <soee> ?
[18:36] <ubernoob> yeah lol.. it was pretty cool.
[18:37] <ubernoob> i always set so many up that I end up forgetting how to make it look the same as before
[18:49] <regedit> hi
[18:50] <regedit> when things freeze up, what are the steps to try before losing the session with "systemctl restart sddm" or shutdown -r?
[18:50] <regedit> i tried ps -ef and top to try and kill some processes, desktop session was still all frozen
[18:51] <regedit> also tried killall plasmashell
[18:58] <nico_> Hi  all
[18:58] <BluesKaj> hey nico_
[18:59] <nico_> Can anyone recommend a graphics card that will work out of the box with KDE please ?
[19:01] <nico_> Hellooooooooooooooooooo anyone home?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> nico_, I've had good luck with nvidia
[19:01] <nico_> which one in particular?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> most of the ir gpus are fine, the ultra highend nvidia cards can be difficult to find open source drivers at times
[19:03] <BluesKaj> I use an entry level 8400GS, it's cheap and itworks fine , not for gamers tho, fine for HD movies etc
[19:04] <nico_> I am only looking for an inexpensive one,it is for an old puter that is OK but it will not boot into any KDE desktop,says GPU lockup,will boot into XFCE or Mate desktop OK
[19:05] <BluesKaj> nico_, on 15.04?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> and which gpu is it ?
[19:06] <nico_> yes,15.04 Xubuntu,15.04 Ubuntu-Mate,Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.2 with mate or xfce
[19:06] <nico_> but not KDE
[19:06] <nico_> just wont boot
[19:06] <alket> how to actiave Guest user in 15.04 ?
[19:07] <nico_> I am using an Nvidia GE Force G72  7300 SE / 7200 Gs
[19:09] <BluesKaj> nico_, that's odd, unless the devs have dropped writing drivers for the 7 series cards
[19:10] <nico_> I know it is an old card but I will buy another if I am certain it will work
[19:10] <BluesKaj> nico_, i saw a 8400GS for 30 bucks on amazon a few weeks ago
[19:10] <BluesKaj> new
[19:11] <nico_> The MOBO is ECS with 3 gig pentium 4 and 4 gig of ram and an SSD drive so it is not too slow
[19:12] <BluesKaj> nico_, new in the sense that it wasn't used, but probly been on the shelf for a few yrs
[19:14] <nico_> I do not mind used if OK just not worth spending a lot on this puter I have an Intel NUC which has HD 5000 and it will run anything
[19:14] <BluesKaj> make sure your mobo can handle PICe cards because that's what most of them are nowadays
[19:15] <nico_> yes it will,the MOBO is not that old,maybe 5 or 6 years old
[19:15] <BluesKaj> right, but a 30-40 buck nvidia card should work
[19:15] <nico_> thank you for your help
[19:16] <BluesKaj> no problem, nico_
[19:16] <nico_> bye
[19:16] <nico_> thanks again
[19:16] <BluesKaj> bye
[20:23] <ChrisAdHoc> Hi
[20:27] <ChrisAdHoc> who of us works with plasma5 and use colord-kde
[20:28] <ChrisAdHoc> I am asking because I can't get it to work.
[20:51] <yasiru> hi
[20:56] <vbgunz> soee: I managed to find and boot from Windows 7 through grub automatically. it looks like I was in legacy mode and that couldn't find Windows 7. Once I added efi support (long winded setup) I can choose bios or uefi and if I chose uefi grub-efi was able to find Windows 7 and make a menu entry for it
[20:56] <vbgunz> soee: thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[21:07] <Pi^2> Hi! I just upgraded to 15.04 and I'm having some problems with system tray icons....currently, the skype system tray icon works, but pidgin, thunderbird, xchat and others don't. They are all set to minimize to system tray when closing, when they just disappear when closing
[21:08] <Pi^2> Dropbox is another good example, it's running, but no system tray is visible
[21:13] <keithzg> Pi^2: Have you checked the tray's settings itself? They might be set to be hidden unless there's activity.
[21:14] <keithzg> (sorry I can't be specific with what the options are, at work right now and still running the last LTS here)
[21:15] <Pi^2> keithzg, They don't even show up in the system tray settings like Skype and Steam do...I just read a thread however saying that some system tray stuff was changed in this release so these packages need to update to get it working again...trying to find a workaround for now though
[21:17] <keithzg> Pi^2: Yeah, the underlying technology the tray is using did change. And I guess Pidgin, Thunderbird and XChat are all kindof slow on the development side these days.
[21:18] <Pi^2> I am finding that KDocker helps a bit, but I'll need to reprogram my brain to hit minimize instead of escape on those for that to work...and thunderbird seems to freeze the WM when i use kdocker with it
[21:18] <Pi^2> Gonna fiddle a bit more and see if I can get it working nicely
[21:21] <keithzg> Pi^2: Not to try and force you to change what you prefer, but is there any reason why you're using those instead of the KDE alternatives? (KDE Telepathy, KMail, Konversation or Quassel)
[21:22] <keithzg> Personally I've long preferred Konversation or Quassel to XChat, and I like KMail a lot more than Thunderbird---I rather wish it ran nicely on Windows since then I'd have an alternative for the Windows users at work.
[21:23] <Pi^2> keithzg, I don't have any good reasons for xchat, it's just what I always used and I would easily switch to an alternative...dropbox has no alternative, but as for pidgin, the reason I stick with it is because of the OTR (off the record) encryption plugin I use
[21:23] <Pi^2> and same goes for KMail/Thunderbird, I've just been using Thunderbird for so long, I will look into KMail and try to switch over
[21:25] <keithzg> Yeah, I don't guarantee you'll prefer them, but I definitely do personally. I think KDE Telepathy has OTR now too? Have never used it myself though so I don't know how intercompatible they are (I'd hope it's seamless and using the same code behind the scenes, but I really have no idea)
[21:26] <Pi^2> I'll definitely be looking at the alternatives the next few days, and that would probably fix these issues
[21:26] <Pi^2> I'm not super attached to any of these programs, just used to using them is all
[21:26] <keithzg> Fair enough
[21:27] <Pi^2> thankfully clementine system tray icon works as well :D
[21:27] <Tommaso> hi
[21:28] <Tommaso> i have a lenovo X1 Carbon bat the HIDPI is very slow
[21:28] <Tommaso> there someone that can help me out
[21:30]  * keithzg hasn't experienced problems with HiDPI speed on his Chromebook Pixel (other than in GRUB2), so slinks away
[21:32] <Tommaso> no
[21:35] <Pi^2> I'm liking the new UI in 15.04 though, btw
[21:35] <Pi^2> it does really make pidgin look more dated than it used to look
[21:55] <popcar> Hi
[21:56] <popcar> anyone here?
[21:56] <keithzg> popcar: Yes and no ;)
[21:57] <popcar> heh, well I got an issue with kubuntu 15.04
[21:57] <popcar> whenever I try to change a password on my account it says "internal program kdepasswd could not be found"
[21:57] <popcar> keithzg what do I do? any way to fix this?
[21:58] <keithzg> popcar: Well, first up the simple stuff, make sure that kdepasswd is indeed installed.
[21:58] <popcar> how?
[21:59] <keithzg> Easiest way in a terminal would be to run "apt-cache policy kdepasswd"
[21:59] <keithzg> Or you can just search for it in Muon.
[22:00] <popcar> unable to locate package kdepasswd
[22:00] <popcar> right, it's not here, how do I get it
[22:00] <keithzg> Either install it via muon, or run "sudo apt install kdepasswd" from the terminal.
[22:01] <popcar> sudo is unable to get anything by that name
[22:02] <keithzg> "sudo apt update" first, then.
[22:03] <popcar> downloading now, should take but a few more seconds
[22:03] <popcar> oooor maybe not, keeps grabbing more packages
[22:04] <popcar> it's done. says there are 111 packages that can be upgraded
[22:04] <popcar> lemme see if the password works now
[22:05] <popcar> tried to change password again, still can't find kdepasswd
[22:09] <popcar> keithzg I uninstalled the wallet program, maybe that might be why this happened?
[22:11] <keithzg> Uhh, not likely.
[22:11] <popcar> so... what now?
[22:11] <keithzg> Well, all you ran was "sudo apt update"?
[22:11] <popcar> pretty much, yeah
[22:12] <keithzg> I guess it could be because you uninstalled. But regardless you should run "sudo apt full-upgrade", and then "sudo apt install kdepasswd"
[22:14] <popcar> sudo apt install kdepasswd worked, thanks!
[22:14] <popcar> seems like my problem was a bit amatuerish, I just started linux 2 days ago
[22:15] <popcar> thanks keithzg.
[22:15] <keithzg> popcar: No worries!
[22:15] <keithzg> Glad to help :)
[22:15] <popcar> you guys are the best ^^
[22:15] <popcar> cya
[22:15] <keithzg> later
[23:07] <popcar> Hi
[23:09] <popcar> anyone ere?


[05:39] <alkisg> Ouch, ubuntu-mate stopped i386 live cds? Meh, lubuntu and xubuntu still have them...
[07:25] <sixwheeledbeast> budgie too that's a shame. People will be running 32 bit because they need to and removing that will only see them move away to another distro.
[07:28] <sixwheeledbeast> At least with the LTS its supported until 2021 from then it would be upto decisions from Debian where to go.
[07:38] <sixwheeledbeast> I thought Ubuntu where missing a trick when they dropped 32 bit TBH. Think of all the old hardware that could have been recycled in poorer countries. With no 32 bit Windows Ubuntu could easily grow in these places.
[09:03] <Scytale89> What kind of market do you mean which is only able to obtain 10-15+ year old hardware. You cannot describe it as growing market as no 32 bit HW will ever be manufactured again and the remaining 32 bit hardware will slowly break down because of old age.
[11:43] <sixwheeledbeast> The use of Ubuntu not the hardware, as the hardware is slowly replaced 64 bit Ubuntu would be used.
[11:56] <xrogaan> lo
[11:57] <xrogaan> is there a way to override the default mate-screensaver configurations with the config file generated by xscreensaver?
[11:58] <xrogaan> 'cause the mate-screensaver configuration utility is just too anemic.
[17:18] <stevenm> hey how do I submit an update for the software boutique?
[17:18] <stevenm> i've looked on github but they don't seem to maintained
[17:18] <alkisg> what "submit an update" means?
[17:18] <alkisg> You want a newer version of boutique for 18.04?
[17:19] <stevenm> i.e. the instructions on how to install something (i.e. as described in applications.json) is now wrong
[17:19] <stevenm> so i want to submit a patch
[17:21] <alkisg> I believe upstream is at https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/software-boutique/issues
[17:21] <alkisg> I don't like boutique and snaps, so I'm not using it
[17:21] <stevenm> i don't use it either - but i like it enough that I can see it may help others
[17:22] <alkisg> Eh, I see snaps as another failed attempt of canonical, which I want to avoid like unity, upstart, bazaar, mir, etc etc
[17:22] <alkisg> So I just purge snapd after install
[17:22] <stevenm> ditto - snaps bad
[17:22] <stevenm> but then SB wasn't always a snap
[17:22] <alkisg> boutique is a snap, isn't it?
[17:22] <stevenm> also i don't think that repo is right
[17:23] <alkisg> Right, so it gets removed by purging snapd
[17:23] <stevenm> no json files in there
[17:23] <stevenm> if anyone does know where sb grabs its updates from just pm/highlight me
[17:23] <stevenm> gonna have my tea... afk
[17:24] <alkisg> Packaging is maintained outside of the upstream source tree usually
[17:24] <alkisg> So if you want to search for the packaging tree, that's a different thing
[17:40] <sixwheeledbeast> I have no issue with upstart, but am not keen on snaps and didn't like unity at all. You also forget ubuntu one
[17:58] <stevenm> back - not sure why it disconnected
[18:05] <vkareh> I really miss Ubuntu One... I used to pay for it, and I would pay a lot more today to have that service
[18:06] <vkareh> sixwheeledbeast - I think snaps solve a real problem, and I have _some_ use for them, but I almost always prefer installing direct debs from the official archives if available
[18:12] <stevenm> would prefer flatpak... but sites like flatpakhub need to have a way of differentiating between apps that the authors packaged and those which 3rd parties did


[01:03] <Shadow__X> superm1: are you around
[01:03] <Shadow__X> afew days ago you told me to enable the testing mythtbuntu source for an updated mythtv_status is that true
[01:23] <cjtinant> My frontend keeps freezing;   while watching livetv, navigating menus, playback of recorded tv....
[01:24] <cjtinant> Using 9.10 64bit; installed yesterday....  Got most everything working, just keep getting a hard lock!
[01:32] <cjtinant> Frontend Log:  http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d5894fb33
[01:33] <cjtinant> Backend Log: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d5582dd8
[01:33] <cjtinant> Had to delete several lines from the backend log file ---> too large.....   SEVERAL enteries: [mpeg2video @ 0x7f77bc160820]Missing picture start code
[01:37] <cjtinant> Any help guys???
[01:42] <cjtinant> Also, NOT getting the preview for Recordings....  Just a STILL picture; beginning of preview.
[01:43] <cjtinant> I dont know what to do and am unable to locate any information on repairing this....  Would rather NOT do ANOTHER installation!!!  3 days into getting this Frontend/Backend setup...
[02:25] <Bernmeister> cjtinant: No idea what's causing your issues, but when I was installing, I made several backup images using CloneZilla.  Made life easy to go back to a known/working state in case something broke, etc.
[02:43] <cjtinant> Thanks Bernmeister...
[02:44] <cjtinant> Frontend just locked again...    Have to do a Hard Shutdown....  any help???
[03:18] <cjtinant> Anyone available to assist me with my Frontend spontaneously crashing???
[03:34] <cjtinant> Just had another crash....   Now after HARD restart, TV doesnt work and there is no RECORDED shows......   "Pulling my Hair Out"!!!
[03:45] <cjtinant> :-X
[03:45] <cjtinant> ANYONE.... Tables are broke and cannot get into MSQL to repair.
[03:45] <cjtinant> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[03:45] <cjtinant> Password is NOT working!!!
[03:55] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, I don't think that mythtv_status is in the testing repo
[03:56] <tgm4883> do you know what package it is in?
[04:36] <qcjn> hi, is there an how to for myth tv, on ubuntu..I have ubuntu 9.10, pvr-150 mce, nvidia GeForce4 MX 4000. 2.5 Ghz and 1 Gb of ram...something really explicite ?
[04:39] <qcjn> i have GB-PVR on winXP, but it s been a long time since i haen't used it, since i never use XP, anymore, just Ubuntu, and puppy linux
[04:41] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: no i am not sure but it was to get my motd working with mythtv and i had to enable a cetrain repo for it to work again
[04:41] <Shadow__X> or not motd but the login message in ssh i forgot what thatgs called
[04:43] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, if you are looking for updated mythtv packages, that is in the auto-builds repo
[04:43] <tgm4883> you get that by selecting it when installing mythbuntu-repos
[04:43] <cjtinant> qcjn: I couldnt locate the 9.10 manual myself; page-link is is broke....  For help with installation sourec: http//www.huihoo.com/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-8.04-installation.pdf
[04:44] <cjtinant> huihoo.com/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-8.04-installation.pdf
[04:44] <qcjn> cjtinant, do you mean, installing from source ? cause i never done that ?
[04:44] <qcjn> thought i could install it directly from apt-get
[04:45] <cjtinant> qcjn: not sure....   I use the iso file found at mythbuntu.com
[04:46] <cjtinant> Did find help at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki
[04:47] <qcjn> iso, is an install of this as a OS, but i 'd like to add it to the ubuntu i have now
[04:47] <qcjn> and the link doesn't work
[04:50] <cjtinant> Sorry, try this;  http://docs.huihoo.com/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-8.04-installation.pdf
[04:50] <mrand> qcjn: http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu link seems like it works for me.
[04:50] <mrand> But you could always just add mythbuntu-control-centre with apt-get also.
[04:51] <mrand> http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbuntu_9.04_installation.pdf is slightly more up-to-date, although admittedly still old (and internally not much different than the 8.10 manual, which is probably why it says 8.10 on the title page)
[04:51] <qcjn> mrand, i m brand new to this, on linux, cause under win, you just install , one thing
[04:52] <qcjn> i know about server and client
[04:52] <qcjn> i already use , mpd, + gmpc.... or ssh and client...etc
[04:52] <mrand> qcjn: Ubuntu is mostly like that as well, but Myth is slightly more complex, so it does require a bit of configuring.  Mythbuntu-control-centre helps with that a lot.
[04:53] <qcjn> ok
[04:55] <mrand> I'm off to bed.  Hopefully you don't run into any problems, but if you do, hopefully someone can chime in to help... but it is getting kind of late, so  feel free to search the forums - almost all problems have been encountered before by someone else!
[04:56] <qcjn> what i d like, is to install something , in the ubuntu, i have now..So myth-buntu, would be the thing ?
[04:57] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: yeah i know i have that selected already i was referring to myth-status doesnt thatg display mythtv related information when you log in through ssh
[05:01] <qcjn> mrand, merci ! cjtinant aussi :)
[05:01] <cjtinant> qcjn:   http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initial_Installation
[05:02] <qcjn> ok
[05:02] <qcjn> merci !
[05:03] <qcjn> cjtinant, that looks to complex for me, for now :|
[05:04] <cjtinant> sorry then,  that would be how to install from source...
[05:04] <qcjn> thanks anyway
[05:15] <rhpot1991> qcjn: http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[05:15] <qcjn> rhpot1991, thanks
[05:15] <rhpot1991> or sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:16] <rhpot1991> and then it will be there like that screenshot
[05:16] <rhpot1991> start there and you can look at the pdf mrand pasted for reference as to what is what
[05:16] <rhpot1991> its older but it should do
[05:16] <rhpot1991> not sure where our new one went to...
[05:18] <qcjn> maybe id be better of with apt-get install mythbuntu-control-center ... maybe it s the most recent
[05:18] <qcjn> reading right now the pdf
[05:19] <rhpot1991> that installs the control-centre which will help you install all the goods
[05:20] <qcjn> ok
[05:22] <qcjn> ok, thanks guy's , i ' ll be back..have to go to sleep now...so saved the pdf...i ll read that
[05:25] <cjtinant> rhpot1991:  where were you earlier....  I finally got my Frontend configured and working, then a series of crashes which corrupted MYSQL...  After fiddiling with it for a while I decided to reinstall....
[05:26] <cjtinant> Can you check to see if I set this up correctly; moving files to another location.....
[05:28] <cjtinant> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d3d155178
[05:28] <cjtinant> Created a txt file with Ultra Edit
[05:37] <rhpot1991> cjtinant: looks pretty good, whats the point of it all though?
[05:37] <rhpot1991> is /htpc a different drive?
[05:38] <rhpot1991> also chmod -R (recursive) will help you with some of those
[05:44] <tritium> Good evening, rhpot1991.  What's the latest on the hdhomerun_config_gui packaging?
[05:45] <rhpot1991> tritium: in theory its done
[05:45] <rhpot1991> waiting for the new lib* to be reviewed then I'll get the gui through revu
[05:45] <rhpot1991> its on the testing PPA now
[05:46] <tritium> Fantastic!  Nice work.
[05:47] <tritium> Sounds like it'll be on track for inclusion in 10.04, which will be great.
[05:48] <rhpot1991> tritium: heh I try, ya it should make it in no problems
[05:48] <rhpot1991> and it should be pretty easy to just drop their new code with each release
[05:49] <tritium> Awesome.
[05:49] <cjtinant> rhpot1991: the /htpc is my storage drive....
[05:50] <rhpot1991> cjtinant: why not mount that to /var/lib/mythtv ?
[05:50] <rhpot1991> instead of symlinking (both will work, just wondering if there is a reason)
[05:51] <cjtinant> Thougth if I have to reinstall Mythtv, the link is broke and I will lose the data....   Im still a noob at this
[05:51] <rhpot1991> cjtinant: nah, its just directories with files, and all the important info is in your db as well
[05:51] <rhpot1991> cjtinant: another option too is to just leave them where they are and in mythtv-setup point all the directories at your /htpc/blah
[05:52] <rhpot1991> thats how I used to do it before I gave in and left it be
[05:52] <cjtinant> I dont know ANYTHING about the databackup
[05:52] <rhpot1991> db == database
[05:52] <cjtinant> So, Just setup the additional directories in MythBackend option 6?
[05:53] <cjtinant> I know the acronym, just dont know anything about it.... Didnt know it existed until I setup 9.10.....  Last build I was on was 8.04
[05:54] <rhpot1991> your method should work fine, but the most direct method would be moving everything from /var/lib/mythtv into your /htpc, then deleting /var/lib/mythtv and mounting /htpc in /var/lib/mythtv
[05:54] <rhpot1991> if I'm confusing you just ignore me and go ahead :)
[05:54] <rhpot1991> there isn't a wrong way here
[05:55] <cjtinant> ok, will use the file I made as it is easy to do....   Just cut and paste...
[05:56] <cjtinant> Back to the - R (recursive)....   sudo chmod 775 -r /htpc/video/trailers
[05:56] <cjtinant> Is that right?
[05:56] <rhpot1991> cap R
[05:57] <rhpot1991> and you can do sudo chmod -R 755 /htpc
[05:57] <rhpot1991> and it will hit them all
[05:57] <rhpot1991> same thing for chown
[05:57] <rhpot1991> instead of having a dozen lines
[05:57] <cjtinant> ahhh....  Dont need to do /htpc/*
[05:58] <rhpot1991> adjust as needed
[05:58] <cjtinant> k...  thanks....
[06:08] <cjtinant> So with the settings I changed in file structure, I will NOT need to make changes in Mythtv-setup
[06:10] <rhpot1991> well you still need to setup everything in there like your tuners
[06:10] <rhpot1991> but you wont need to modify the storage groups, those point at the default locations already
[06:12] <cjtinant> rhpot1991: thank you!!!  I struggle getting setting this up and occasionally come across bad information from the net.  Think it would have been best to set the mount point for the drive as /var/lib/mythtv
[06:14] <cjtinant> Question that has plauged me for some time....   When setting the partitions in a NEW installation, the mount point for the second drive is not shown....  Does that mean anything?
[06:14] <rhpot1991> prob that its not mounted anywhere by default
[06:15] <rhpot1991> you could make a drive hold /home or /var if you wanted, etc
[06:16] <cjtinant> example  sdb1:  NOTHING is shown...  If I had set the mount point to /var/lib/mythtv from a previous installation, upon reinstallation the path does not show when setting the partitions.
[06:17] <cjtinant> I assume it is still there, just the partition software does not check previous mount points?
[06:18] <cjtinant> Ah, would need to FSTAB after installation to set the mount point....
[06:19] <cjtinant> I believe that would be the answer anyways.
[07:04] <mmarre> Good morning. I am using the latest Mythbuntu together with a Technisat Skymaster HD2 (DVB-C). Everything is working fine except there is no program list available (EPG). Any hints? It worked well under mythdora.
[07:26] <Essobi> mmarre: umm... run mythtv-setup
[07:26] <Essobi> make sure you have the epg setup right
[07:26] <Essobi> and let it populate the database when it's done running
[07:47] <mmarre> Thx, but i did that already. I Also updated the database manually since I read in a transponder list manually (channels.conf) I set for all channels useonairguide=1
[07:47] <mmarre> But still not work.
[07:49] <mmarre> I also deleted the confoguration with "delete ALL cards" in mythtv-setup to erase the configuration in the database and reconfigured the card
[07:49] <mmarre> No success.
[07:50] <mmarre> Is there a way to check if something coming over the EPG stream?
[07:50] <mmarre> Maybe it is a provider topic
[07:57] <cjtinant> mmarre:  Not sure if this will be of help:  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning_broken_with_DVB-C#modified_mythic.pl_solution
[08:04] <Essobi> Mmm.
[11:25] <hipitihop> I'm about to install a second usb tuner, anything I should know before I start ?
[13:37] <hipitihop> so what is the ubuntu way to automaticaly load a kernel module on boot, I want to load "uinput"
[13:51] <iosonoio> Hi! anyone know how can tell to mythtv default grabber to add the option --slow so that it download all the description of the channels for the EPG?
[13:54] <iosonoio> !help
[13:54] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[16:04] <iosonoio> anyone know how can tell to mythtv default grabber to add the option --slow so that it download all the description of the channels for the EPG?
[16:23] <Abongile> Hi All please help, can't log in. I select the user and insert the passwod, on enter the login screen dissapears and returns, expecting user selection and password.
[16:26] <Abongile> I could logon before but I ran ltsp-rebuild-client and the problem occured before I could log on but had no distributed media services and that's what I thought I was addressing with rebuild client.
[17:04] <iosonoio> anyone know how can tell to mythtv default grabber to add the option --slow so that it download all the description of the channels for the EPG?
[23:49] <Reid> anyone know a channel for C++  questions?


[01:44] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, dunno... best to file a bug and we'll see what ryan says
[01:44] <BUGabundo> okay
[01:45] <ddecator> what's the bug?
[01:47] <BUGabundo> (2010-02-26 22:45:12) freenode: kenvandine: is anything that can be done so copying gwibber reply links, uses the real LINK and not that strange thing above?
[01:47] <BUGabundo> (2010-02-26 22:43:49) freenode: gwibber:/read?msg=9693564502-4925aca919f7b516cf6a6658bdbf4f80
[01:47] <BUGabundo> ddecator: ^^^^
[01:49] <ddecator> BUGabundo, so wait, are you trying to copy a link in a gwibber post?
[01:49] <BUGabundo> no
[01:49] <BUGabundo> the Reply To link
[01:50] <ddecator> are you using the gwibber ppa?
[01:51] <BUGabundo> of course
[01:53] <ddecator> sorry, i'm just a little confused as to what exactly you're trying to copy...
[01:53] <BUGabundo> open gwibber
[01:53] <ddecator> done
[01:53] <BUGabundo> go to ANY think that links
[01:53] <BUGabundo> not URL
[01:53] <BUGabundo> just underline stuff in gwibber
[01:53] <ddecator> k
[01:54] <BUGabundo> like an user nick
[01:54] <BUGabundo> or client app
[01:54] <BUGabundo> or time dated
[01:54] <BUGabundo> right click, select COPY, now past it
[01:54] <BUGabundo> what do you see?
[01:54] <BUGabundo> I see gwibber:/read?msg=1981774-9beaf831b48cea8bfd7fb50d11a44c03-receive
[01:55] <ddecator> i see whatever i copied...
[01:56] <BUGabundo> keep trying :D
[01:56] <BUGabundo> you are not doing it right
[01:56] <BUGabundo> :p
[01:57] <ddecator> keeps working for me, haha, but you can look at filing a bug, it's definitely still in development
[01:59] <BUGabundo> copy something like "4 minutes ago"
[01:59] <ddecator>  (25 minutes ago)
[02:00] <ddecator> aha!
[02:00] <ddecator> you're copying the link location ;)
[02:00] <ddecator> i used ctrl+c
[02:01] <ddecator> using a right-click only allows you to copy the link location
[02:02] <BUGabundo> right
[14:29] <e-jat> my chromium + ff 3.6.x can view java applet .. can someone help me ?
[14:30]  * e-jat brb .. trying to reinstall the icedtea .. hope it works
[14:49] <mahfouz> hey guys, silly question
[14:49] <mahfouz> with the new message summary thread view in tb3, can i have it so it displays it upside down
[14:49] <mahfouz> would be more useful to display latest mail first
[15:24] <eagles0513875> anyone have any idea why flash has a nasty memory leak in npviewer.bin
[15:24] <eagles0513875> there is a bug filed yet it seems like its been around for at least the last 3 or so releases before karmic
[20:04] <BUGabundo> boas meninos


[02:28] <klofidor> Всем привет
[04:10] <superkuh> Hi. I recently became interested in the evince cbt (comic book tar) format vulnerability CVE-2017-1000083. Is the ubuntu mate repos evince patched? Lines 111 and 1004 in https://github.com/mate-desktop/atril/blob/master/backend/comics/comics-document.c#L111
[04:15] <superkuh> As far as I can tell it isn't. But maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe that's the wrong repo.
[10:41] <mate|90081> i have installed ubuntu mate. i added a user- its my wife.
[10:41] <mate|90081> then in the welcome screen is no posibility to change the user
[10:41] <mate|90081> therefor only i can log in.
[10:42] <mate|90081> My wife should be unhappy when i tell her.
[10:42] <mate|90081> what can i do.
[10:43] <mate|90081> Is there  a possibility to change to another welcome screen, which offers change of user?
[22:29] <mate|83089> hi!
[22:29] <mate|83089> how can i install hamaci on ubuntu 17.10?


[03:43] <darkxst> jbicha, is there really any point splitting up gcr libs?
[04:38] <jbicha> darkxst: ask upstream ;)
[04:39] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689685
[04:42] <jbicha> I was thinking Debian would want the libraries split although I'm not aware of any apps that use gcr but don't use gtk
[04:43] <darkxst> I think the whole point of gcr is to provide the UI
[04:47] <jbicha> splitting the libraries shouldn't hurt anything (except requiring rdepends to be rebuilt) but we should do the same thing Debian does
[04:48] <jbicha> nothing needs the new gcr right? so maybe we should just hold off on updating gcr for now?
[04:50] <jbicha> darkxst: Fedora hasn't bothered splitting gcr but Debian tends to split more than Fedora http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=382408
[04:51] <jbicha> I mean we do 10 packages and they do 3 :)
[04:53] <darkxst> jbicha, I will ask stefw
[19:59] <darkxst> jbicha, five-or-more http://pastebin.com/JXurftpM
[20:06] <darkxst> four-in-a-row http://pastebin.com/4Hh99VMX
[20:28] <jbicha> robert_ancell: why did you use dh for gnome-games instead of keeping cdbs?
[20:28] <robert_ancell> jbicha, because dh is easier
[20:29] <jbicha> robert_ancell: sure but I don't think the Debian GNOME team wants to switch
[20:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, sure, if they take the work upstream we'll just sync off them
[20:30] <jbicha> or they could sync off us
[20:31] <darkxst> chess http://pastebin.com/aqduXHEW
[20:32] <jbicha> darkxst: have you ever done transitional packages before? because chess needs one
[20:32] <darkxst> jbicha, no
[20:32] <robert_ancell> jbicha, well, I don't mind either way. So if you want to change it no opposition from me
[20:34] <jbicha> darkxst: there's an example in line 251 of http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/gnome-games/debian/control.in?view=markup
[20:34] <jbicha> darkxst: otherwise users won't get upgraded from glchess to the newer gnome-chess automatically
[20:39] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[20:39] <darkxst> I suppose five-or-more also needs one
[20:46] <darkxst> jbicha, so I remove the breaks/replaces from gnome-chess package?
[20:48] <darkxst> like this? http://pastebin.com/aqduXHEW
[21:10] <darkxst> jbicha, ^ is that correct?
[21:13] <darkxst> first 2 games updated also (same links)
[21:21] <jbicha> we still need breaks/replaces since I think the new game ships some of the same files as the old one
[21:21] <jbicha> in the Debian example, they used versioned b/r's though
[22:22] <darkxst> jbicha, http://pastebin.com/aqduXHEW
[22:23] <ErtanERBEK> anyone know how can I hide windows content at drag or move time ?
[22:31] <jbicha> darkxst: the Description line is missing some linebreaks
[22:38] <darkxst> jbicha, ok, fixed all 3 debdiffs
[23:11] <jbicha> darkxst: oops, that creates empty binaries
[23:15] <darkxst> hmm how do I stop that?
[23:18] <jbicha> when there is more than one binary, you have to use a .install to explicitly tell it which files go in which packages
[23:22] <jbicha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1634727/
[23:23] <jbicha> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/transitional-package-should-be-oldlibs-extra.html
[23:43] <darkxst> oh, I  see


[04:56] <Madpilot> frankly not sure why he ran the alarm...
[05:01] <KB1JWQ> Feel free to remove the ban, it's been join/parting in various places.
[05:01] <Madpilot> legit this time, happily.
[05:05] <tsimpson> judging by my lag meeter jumping between 0.1 and 28.3 seconds, freenode is unhappy today
[05:06] <KB1JWQ> Madpilot: Not nearly as many as you might think. :-)
[05:06] <Madpilot> glad it's not just me. I though the lag was my landlady's unhappy router... perhaps not.
[05:06] <Madpilot> hey elky
[05:09] <KB1JWQ> Removed now.
[05:16] <Madpilot> the bot's slow tonight too.
[06:01] <tsimpson> note to self: don't try to remove bans while servers are splitting, they'll just go and reset them again
[08:10] <KB1JWQ> *sigh*
[08:40] <MTecknology> Could the ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #ubunut-offtopic be either removed or updated? I don't like popping in there realized I'm still not supposed to be allowed in there.
[08:42] <Tm_T> MTecknology: I'll look in to it, thanks (:
[08:42] <MTecknology> Tm_T: thanks :)
[08:44] <Tm_T> @btlogin
[09:00] <Tm_T> Pici: I suppose you're the one who knows most about this case, should the ban be lifted or kept?
[11:02] <Tm_T> someone keep an eye of this fellow in -ot, I have to go
[11:05] <ikonia> ok
[11:23] <elky> The moon is only 2/3 full. Maybe it's the extra radiation in the atmosphere?
[11:38] <dkannan> hi, is my nick banned from #ubuntu, i get the error "Cannot send on channel", whenever i try to send anything
[11:40] <Pici> dkannan: Let me take a look.
[11:41] <elky> He's using a gateway
[11:41] <Pici> Yes, a web gateway.
[11:41] <Pici> dkannan: You should be good now.
[11:46] <dkannan> Pici: thx. what was the problem? anything i did?
[11:47] <Pici> dkannan: Just something with our spam protection.
[11:47] <Pici> Nothing you did.
[11:48] <dkannan> Pici: ok. just curious, what is recognized as spam?
[11:49] <Pici> dkannan: Well, it has to do with the fact that you're using a web service to access freenode (irccloud in this case).
[11:50] <dkannan> Pici: so if any user on irccloud misbehaves, all irccloud users are banned?
[11:53] <dkannan> was just curious, as to how it works
[11:54] <Pici> dkannan: No, we set an exempt after a quick check to make sure that the user isn't a troublemaker that we've banned using a different connection type.
[11:54] <Pici> That detection didn't work properly for some reason for you.
[11:57] <dkannan> Pici: thx
[16:11] <tsimpson> Pici: there's no way to detect the IP from irccloud.com web gateway
[16:39] <Pici> tsimpson: So what do you propose? There are more and more people using it.
[16:39] <tsimpson> apparently it'll offer bouncer-like service
[16:39] <tsimpson> so you can close your browser but still be connected
[16:40] <tsimpson> so kind of webchat + bouncer
[16:40] <Pici> tsimpson: I meant in terms of the floodbots
[16:41] <tsimpson> the floodbots can't do anything with it, there's no way to detect the "real" connection
[16:41] <tsimpson> it's just that it gets caught by the quiet on *!*@gateway/web/*
[16:42] <tsimpson> probably a candidate for the (now useless) -proxy-users channel


[23:33] <yorwos> hi fellow ub.studio users
[23:35] <yorwos> has any1 had the luck to prematurely test/do an upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04(.1) ? we are getting the update tomorrow right?


[12:18] <n00tz> /exit
[02:52] <knix_> How do you rescue a broken system with a iso?
[03:11] <knix__>  I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated
[03:15] <sahafeez> i am looking at a replacement for a w2k3 box for a windows network. i have looked at rhle5 and sles10. both have have left me a bit underwelmed.
[03:20] <sahafeez> sles10 has very nice ldap-samba-user controller. is that something i can find in ubuntu
[03:20] <knix__> sahafeez, go with Ubuntu server - its rox
[03:20] <knix__> sahafeez, I would search the forums for that
[03:20] <sahafeez> hum, not what i hoped to hear. i have looked and it looks like a bit of jumping thru hoops. the nice thing about the sles10 is the integration is out of the box. if i have too do a lot of work, i would be inclined to just use gentoo
[03:20] <knix__> Kewl, we thats what you get when you pay for sles10
[03:20] <ajmitch> right, ubuntu server is lacking some of that integration still, but it's a definite focus for the next release
[03:20] <sahafeez> question, i see that the desktop is at 7.x but server is at 6.10?
[03:20] <Burgwork> nope
[03:20] <Burgwork> 7.04 is out tomorrowish, for both desktop and server
[03:20] <Burgwork> what do you do with that 2k3 box?
[03:21] <ajmitch> hi Burgwork
[03:21] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[03:21] <sahafeez> file, print, AD, exchange.
[03:21] <knix__> anyone feel llike helping with a server ish?
[03:21] <Burgwork> the full gammit, eh?
[03:21] <sahafeez> i have settled on opengroupware for the exchange replacemnet.
[03:22] <sahafeez> should i wait for 7.04 to test?
[03:23] <Burgwork> hmm, I would use 6.06 for that, as you need longer term suppor
[03:23] <Burgwork> t
[03:23] <Burgwork> don't need, but it is nice to have
[03:23] <sahafeez> so there will be no support for the 7.04 release?
[03:24] <ajmitch> there will be the standard 18 months support
[03:24] <Burgwork> no, there is support, just not as long
[03:24] <ajmitch> 5 years for 6.06 server
[03:25] <sahafeez> what is the kernel on 6.06/6.10 - i ask because one of the big issues i have had with sles is that my new 9650se is not supported out  of the box. it was easy enough to install the driver in the install, however the yast update to anew kernel, which says it has the support, did not and now i have an unbootable box that is not easy to fix
[03:26] <sahafeez> btw, i am looking for a list of the difference between desktop and server on the ubuntu site. cannot seem to find it.
[03:26] <Burgwork> in what way?
[03:26] <Burgwork> they have similar kernels, with the same low level userspace stuff
[03:27] <sahafeez> sorry what did the in what way question apply to? the difference?
[03:28] <Burgwork> the desktop and server for a specific Ubuntu version share the same package respositories
[03:28] <sahafeez> btw, thanks for answering the questions. it is always a good sign when the irc group is responsive and polite.
[03:28] <Burgwork> setting up what you have will take a bit of work
[03:28] <sahafeez> ok, but what makes server = server and not desktop
[03:29] <Burgwork> the default server install is basically the bare minimum to get the computer up
[03:29] <Burgwork> the default desktop is GNOME plus some bits
[03:29] <Burgwork> you can see what they contain via looking at the seeds
[03:29] <Burgwork> just a sec for the url
[03:30] <Burgwork> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.feisty/files
[03:31] <sahafeez> looking....thanks
[03:33] <sahafeez> i see that the support company is in the postgres biz. that is good as opengroupware is postgres only for the most part.
[03:34] <sahafeez> i see the bit about the support diff between 6.06 and 6.10. will there be support offerd for 7.04
[03:36] <Burgwork> yes
[03:36] <Burgwork> all versions of Ubuntu are supported for 18 months
[03:37] <Burgwork> 6.06 is unique in that it is supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 on the server
[03:37] <sahafeez> can you buy support past that?
[03:38] <sahafeez> i think i will wait for 7.04 as i have had major issues with the others on the hardware i am useing as it is very very new
[03:38] <Burgwork> for that you need to contact Canonical
[03:39] <Burgwork> the support I mentioned is for security and is free
[03:39] <Burgwork> actual somebody-on-the-phone support costs money
[03:41] <sahafeez> ok. thanks for your help. i will try it out.
[12:13] <hirs> hi
[12:26] <hirs> he guys
[12:26] <hirs> i have a little problem with installing the vmware-server on ubuntu 6.10
[12:27] <hirs> Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel.
[12:27] <hirs> None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Server is suitable for your
[12:27] <hirs> running kernel.  Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for
[12:27] <hirs> your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes]
[12:27] <hirs> then i type yes, or only enter, its equal
[12:28] <hirs> then the install script asks me
[12:28] <hirs> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[12:28] <hirs> and there is my problem
[12:29] <hirs> there is no folder
[12:29] <hirs> or any other folder with includes
[12:31] <hirs> ok fine
[12:31] <hirs> i havent installed linux-headers
[12:31] <hirs> lool
[12:31] <hirs> sorry
[03:51] <eikke> will ubuntu-server feisty include Xen support? if so, which version?
[04:06] <gubluntu> anyone here have any experiance setting up software raid on ubuntu server with SATA ?
[04:07] <ivoks> yes
[04:11] <gubluntu> can you point me in the right direction?
[04:11] <ivoks> put server install CD and start installation
[04:11] <ivoks> on disk partitionig create linux raid partitions and then configure software raid
[04:11] <ivoks> and... that's it
[04:12] <gubluntu> oh
[04:12] <gubluntu> okay
[04:12] <ivoks> you can't miss
[04:12] <gubluntu> if i have 2 500gb sata drives
[04:12] <gubluntu> and i have already installed the server onto one
[04:12] <ivoks> and you want mirror?
[04:12] <gubluntu> using the guideed partition
[04:13] <gubluntu> but left the other unpartitioned.. can i do it now?
[04:13] <ivoks> eh, then it's manual work
[04:13] <ivoks> yes, you can, but... urgh :)
[04:13] <gubluntu> lol
[04:13] <ivoks> you want mirror, right?
[04:13] <gubluntu> what would you suggest.. its a mial server
[04:13] <gubluntu> mail*
[04:13] <gubluntu> striping or mirror?
[04:13] <ivoks> mirror
[04:13] <gubluntu> k
[04:13] <mralphabet> http://knowledge76.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Server_Install_With_Software_RAID
[04:13] <mralphabet> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+software+raid+install
[04:14] <gubluntu> ubuntu server install with raid
[04:14] <gubluntu> oops
[04:14] <gubluntu> ignore that
[04:27] <gubluntu> what should i use?
[04:27] <gubluntu> parted?
[04:29] <gubluntu> is there any console gui i can use?
[04:29] <gubluntu> qt parted looks like it wants to installover100mb of kde junk
[04:30] <gubluntu> lol.. console gui
[04:55] <[miles] > oh guys
[04:55] <[miles] > check this
[04:55] <[miles] > www.milesbarry.info/bugger.png
[04:58] <mralphabet> oO
[04:59] <eikke> will ubuntu-server feisty include Xen support? if so, which version?
[05:01] <ivoks> 3.0.3
[05:01] <ivoks> it's in universe
[05:06] <eikke> cool
[05:06] <eikke> is it the same package as the debian etch one?
[05:06] <[miles] > haha
[05:06] <[miles] > ubuntu+1 has dissaperared
[05:06] <[miles] > :D
[05:10] <ivoks> eikke: Version: 3.0.3-0ubuntu10 - so, that's a no
[05:11] <eikke> right
[05:12] <eikke> any idea which kernel version?
[08:00] <mgalvin> has anyone used Ubuntu Server (preferably dapper) on a Sun Fire X2100?
[08:01] <fabbione> mgalvin: let me check... i think we have one of those
[08:01] <mgalvin> it's not "officially" supported but a quick look at the specs seems to indicate it should work... just wondering if anyone knows for sure
[08:01] <mgalvin> fabbione: oh, cool thanks for looking
[08:01] <fabbione> i just need to make sure about the model
[08:01] <fabbione> i don't recall if we have that one or the bigger one
[08:09] <fabbione> mgalvin: no sorry we had a bigger model
[08:10] <fabbione> i guess it should work with that one too
[08:11] <mgalvin> fabbione: ok, thats anyway for looking... it does seem like it will work... i guess i will find out ;)
[08:11] <fabbione> mgalvin: in case let us know :)
[08:11] <mgalvin> i sure will!
[09:57] <[g2] > is there a way to get a ubuntu-server from a debootstrapped feisty ?
[09:58] <[g2] > meaning can I use apt-get to get something very close to a server install ?  I specifically would like to run in a chroot without an install
[10:01] <lionel> [g2] : yes
[10:02] <lionel> just do a classical deboostrap and install ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard meta packages
[10:02] <lionel> :)
[10:02] <[g2] > :)
[10:02] <[g2] > lol
[10:02] <[g2] > so just those 2 are all that's needed ?
[10:03] <[g2] > and do you know if the same kernel will be used as desktop ?
[10:03] <lionel> no, it is not the same kernel
[10:03] <mralphabet> [g2] : that's one of the only differences, server uses a slightly different kernel
[10:04] <lionel> server kernel is suffixed by "-server"
[10:04] <[g2] > I could probably just install linux-image-.....
[10:04] <[g2] > apt-get that is
[10:06] <[g2] > mralphabet, I'm guessing the headers used are all the same, meaning I could chroot from a desktop to a server chroot and there wouldn't be any issues
[10:08] <mralphabet> [g2] : shouldn't be for an experienced user
[10:22] <sahafeez> hum, i am installing server and i am having issues with the partition tool. is there an expert mode or something. this ncurse interface is driving me nuts
[10:24] <JavaGeek> hello, ubuntuers
[10:25] <lionel> Hi JavaGeek
[10:26] <sahafeez> so no one on a differnet partition tools
[10:27] <sahafeez> i am going nuts trying to setup this up...
[10:28] <JavaGeek> I was trying to upgrade an ubuntu server installation following the instructions from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[10:28] <JavaGeek> they mention something about installing update-manager-core, but that package is only on feisty, not on edgy
[10:29] <Nafallo> JavaGeek: edgy-updates
[10:31] <ratshell> Hello all
[10:32] <JavaGeek> Nafallo: I have edgy-updates on my sources.list
[10:34] <Nafallo> JavaGeek: hmm. try edgy-proposed then.
[10:34] <ratshell> hey
[10:34] <ratshell> nafallo can you help me
[10:34] <JavaGeek> Nafallo: I just wish that was in the documentation :)
[10:35] <Nafallo> ratshell: no idea. you haven't asked a question yet.
[10:35] <Nafallo> JavaGeek: agreed :-)
[10:35] <Nafallo> JavaGeek: or pushed to -updates ;-)
[10:35] <ratshell> Lol during my install of Ubuntu Server I didn't have a network card
[10:35] <ratshell> After install of server, I installed one
[10:35] <ratshell> how do I get ubuntu server to detect and use it
[10:35] <ratshell> what command?
[10:38] <Nafallo> ratshell: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:38] <Nafallo> ratshell: so two commands. maybe man interfaces aswell :-)
[10:39] <ratshell> I will go try now
[10:50] <sacater> anyone know where i can get admin on a server for free?
[10:50] <mralphabet> you really aren't back to asking that are you?
[10:50] <sacater> yeh
[10:50] <sacater> Lighty was very nice
[10:51] <sacater> let me have a space on his server for blog
[10:51] <sacater> and i like ALOT
[10:51] <sacater> but ni indexing
[10:51] <sacater> and no admin
[10:52] <JavaGeek> sure, you can have admin on my server for free... the IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:53] <theacolyte> IM GOING TO HACK THAT IP NOW
[10:54] <theacolyte> theacolyte has quit IRC
[10:58] <sahafeez> what packages should i install if i want to put a min gnome gui on the server
[11:11] <sahafeez> why does the installer insist on formating things between changes. seems dumb. how about waiting until you say go and install
[11:21] <sahafeez> seriously. how do you stop that. i want it to let me lay everything out before it formats..


[13:56] <Khepra> Hello. Can anyone tell me if apparmor in debian (I'm assuming this channel is upstream for AA?), userland version 2.13.6, kernel 5.10, is broken? Apparently specificity in rule matching for "audit deny" rules doesn't work.    if I have   audit deny /some/path/to/file rw,     but later I have /** mrixk,     that path, even if more specific than /**  , will not be denied
[13:57] <Khepra>  /** mrwixk I mean , yes, w is there, but I'm really testing rix for the specific path
[14:01] <Khepra> I was also under impression that denials cannot be overriden. once denied, no additional rule can overturn that


 @Sky_Scraper, to stop code execution and launch a terminal, use: konsole.  If you need to launch a terminal and keep running use: konsole &
[10:36] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
 Hi BluesKaj!
[10:46] <BluesKaj_> hey Linuxophil
 Hello.
 @JJ_4884, Hi Joel!
[22:51] <watteri> hello, how is it so quiet here?
[22:56] <aktive> I dont know


[08:19] <elacheche> Morning africa!
[09:45] <craigbrash> Morning elacheche
[09:48] <elacheche> Hey craigbrash
[09:53] <craigbrash> morning Kilos
[09:53] <Kilos> hi craigbrash


[00:25] <user82> !info vlc
[00:25] <user82> @info vlc
[05:52] <tiox> So what's the whole "So close" thing about? "So close, you can almost touch it" sounds like a smartphone release.
[05:52] <tiox> Rather, a smartphone OS release.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[21:54] <FernandoMiguel> oi
[21:54] <FernandoMiguel> watching Marc's video about ubuntu phone OS
[22:50] <user82> !info linux-image
[22:51] <user82> when will newer linux versions finally be included in the daily build?


[00:16] <BarkingFish> ok guys, well I'm gonna have to head out. jsalisbury - if you see this, I'll stop by some other time - but I'm needed in ER, so I'm out for the night. See ya
[06:53] <jussi> hrm, Im on 12.10 and a kernel update is giving me issues. tbh, I quite scare to restart the machine...  paste of apt-get install -f http://paste.ubuntu.com/1615272/
[06:54] <jussi> its way too early in the morning, so forgive me if it is something simple
[07:14] <ashwini_> Can any one tell me the default stack size for kernel 3.x and 2.6.y (y < 31)???
[07:39] <ppisati> good morning Viet^W^W^W^Wworld
[07:47]  * jussi hugs ppisati and bribes him with coffee and breakfast for some help :D
[07:48] <ppisati> jussi: what's up?
[07:48] <jussi> [08:53:39] <jussi> hrm, Im on 12.10 and a kernel update is giving me issues. tbh, I quite scare to restart the machine...  paste of apt-get install -f http://paste.ubuntu.com/1615272/
[07:48] <jussi> [08:54:36] <jussi> its way too early in the morning, so forgive me if it is something simple
[07:49] <ppisati> jussi: gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[07:50] <jussi> ppisati: errr? this is my laptop... is that /boot ? or just my HDD  is full (shouldnt be...)
[07:50] <ppisati> jussi: dunno, df -h will tell you
[07:50] <ppisati> jussi: but i guess is /boot
[07:50] <jussi> /dev/sda1                   228M  226M     0 100% /boot
[07:51] <jussi> yep
[07:51] <jussi> right...
[07:51] <jussi> so I guess old kernels need moving on then?
[07:51] <ppisati> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[07:51] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1615707/
[07:52] <ppisati> jussi: i think you know what to do from here
[07:52] <jussi> ppisati: yeah, I think so. --purge them, right?
[07:53] <ppisati> jussi: except for the running one, yes
[07:54] <jussi> ppisati: what are the -extra images?
[07:54] <ppisati> jussi: stuff that was moved out of linux-image
[07:54] <ppisati> jussi: dpkg -L will tell you
[07:57] <jussi> thanks ppisati, much appreciated.
[09:16] <caribou> where is the linux-meta package maintained ? In launchpad or somewhere in the kernel tree ?
[09:16] <smb> caribou, neither. In a git repo seperate to the kernel
[09:17] <caribou> smb: and how one propose a patch ? (can you see the linux-crashdump dependency on kdump-tools coming ;-) ) ?
[09:18] <smb> caribou, Right, I actually was thinking of submitting that soon
[09:18] <caribou> smb: ok, then, I won't bother
[09:18] <caribou> smb: afaik, once this is done, kdump-tools should be pulled in main
[09:19] <caribou> smb: since linux-crashdump will depend on it, and the makedumpfile source is already in main
[09:20] <smb> caribou, Not sure how strict dependency issues are for a meta package but it sounds reasonable to have those things that are core functions in main
[09:21] <caribou> smb: don't know about meta package either, I can check
[09:21] <ashwini_> any clue regarding default stack size in the kernel 3.x and 2.6.28+ ?
[09:29] <smb> caribou, Talking to apw it sounds like having the dependency in meta will require some parts to be in main. Just not sure whether this can only be the source package or not. So maybe that should be resolved before changing the meta package.
[09:30] <smb> caribou, Just as for what needs to be in main and what would that mean (mostly security updates? and would we think there are?)
[09:30] <caribou> smb: I just pinged pitti in #ubuntu-devel; he seems to think so
[09:31] <caribou> smb: well, the security updates would make it in from makedumpfile which is already in main anyway, isn't it ?
[09:32] <smb> caribou, From that side yes. Guess the only thing I can think of right now is the tools placing dumps with not enough limited access...
[09:44] <apw> ashwini_, i belive they can be either 4K or 8K on x86 I believe we use 8K but i am struggling to find the confirmation
[09:47] <apw> ashwini_, THREAD_SIZE is the relevant define
[09:49] <ashwini_> apw: THREAD_SIZE is 8k, I belive in new kernels the stack size is 4k instead of 8k. just want to confirm once. Any way Thanks
[09:49] <apw> ashwini_, in v3.8-rc's it seems unchanged
[09:50] <ashwini_> apw : is STACK size 8k ? or THREAD_SIZE 8k ? any link?
[09:51] <apw> THREAD_SIZE is 8K, which is the kernel stack size, which is documented in kernel source in Documention/x86/x86_64/kernel-stacks and obviously set in the arch specific headers in the source
[09:52] <apw> arch/x86/include/asm/page_32_types.h:#define THREAD_SIZE_ORDER  1
[09:52] <apw> arch/x86/include/asm/page_64_types.h:#define THREAD_SIZE_ORDER  1
[09:52] <apw> here defined in allocator order, 0 == 4K 1 == 8K on x86
[10:13] <ashwini_> apw : Thanks, your help and pointers much appreciated
[10:13] <ashwini_> apw: it resolved my lot of doubts
[10:50] <ogra_> apw, one for us to test (later today) http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=chromeos/kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=b50bf5979036750891461a5824bb12273f04fe16 ... from bug 1080789
[10:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080789 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Corruption around mouse cursor when dragged, particularly around Dash, Indicators, window chrome" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080789
[11:09] <apw> ogra_, sigh
[11:24] <ogra_> apw, no hurry for that one, itr only exposes if you have a mouse attached to the tablet, thats rather low prio and can well wait until the next upload happens anyway
[11:45]  * ppisati notices there's sun outside and goes out for lunch
[11:48] <smb> sun... lucky bastard
[11:57] <apw> ogra_, that patch looks to be from a completely different kernel version, cirtainly none of the things it changes seem to exist
[12:42] <apw> ogra_, after a fair bit of looking i cannot trivially find anything remotly similar to apply it by hand
[13:05] <ogra_> apw, ok
[13:14] <apw> ogra_, i recon it would be appropriate to do the testing as recommended in the bug
[13:14] <apw> ogra_, it can only eliminate something
[13:15] <AlexMG> Hi guys, I was trying to use the fetch=url parameter, to netboot filesystem from the ubuntu-livecd. But it seems as the fetch parameter is just ignored. Are changes needed inside the initrd or do I just use the wrong kernel options? KERNEL-Options loaded from iPXE: kernel http://<IP_ADDRESS>/httpboot/ubuntu-x64-live/vmlinuz boot=casper config fetch=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/httpboot/ubuntu-x64-live/filesystem.squashfs
[13:15] <ogra_> well, the kernel patch is for consoles, which dont work at all anyway (you cant switch to console once X is up, restriction of the driver )
[13:16] <ogra_> so i guess we can as well skip it
[13:27]  * henrix wanders if something killed a ppc build or it was a genuine build failure
[13:29] <rtg_> herton, henrix: did you notice the Quantal PPC FTBS ?
[13:29] <rtg_> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4277902/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-powerpc.linux_3.5.0-24.36_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:29] <henrix> rtg_: yep, i was just complaining about that :)
[13:30] <henrix> rtg_: no idea what went wrong there...
[13:30] <henrix> i guess i'll just retry
[13:30] <herton> henrix, it's a build failure in alx driver
[13:30] <rtg_> henrix, looks like a bonafide linker error
[13:30] <henrix> hmmm?
[13:30] <herton>  /build/buildd/linux-3.5.0/ubuntu/alx/alx_main.c: In function 'alx_alloc_rings':
[13:31] <henrix> herton: oh, crap! you're right
[13:32] <henrix> looks like its failing only on ppc. amd64, i386 and armhf are fine
[13:32] <henrix> which doesnt' make sense
[13:37] <apw> henrix, could be believeable if it is a locking primative or similar which was changed between working and not; those are arch specific
[13:37] <apw> henrix, and have arch specific external symbol requirements
[13:38] <henrix> apw: yep. i'm rebuilding it in gomeisa as i deleted the build logs, just to make sure.
[13:39] <apw> henrix, or indeed that driver may be only on in PPC
[13:40] <apw> henrix, and isn't that a driver which was applied like only Feb 04
[13:40] <henrix> apw: yep, that's the one
[13:43] <apw> henrix, i don't see how this is valid on any release
[13:43] <apw> as it blatently uses vzmalloc without includeing vmalloc.h
[13:44] <henrix> apw: yeah, so maybe you're right: it may be built only for ppc. i'm investigating
[14:26] <henrix> apw: so, my theory is that one of the headers included by the alx driver will bring net/ip6_checksum.h and linux/vmalloc.h on some archs but not for powerpc
[14:27] <henrix> apw: if you look at the buildlogs for amd64 for example, the driver compiles successfully
[14:28] <henrix> apw: i'll test a patch on a ppc box that will just include these 2 headers (that should be in the driver anyway)
[14:28] <rtg_> henrix, I think perhaps you could just disable the alx driver build for all but x86'en
[14:29] <henrix> rtg_: well, that's another solution. would you prefer that? i guess it will be useless in ppc anyway
[14:29] <rtg_> henrix, Its the simplest.
[14:29] <henrix> rtg_: ack, will do that then. thanks
[15:06]  * henrix -> errand
[15:35]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:49] <henrix> rtg_: fyi i'm going to apply the alx patch to Q master-next
[15:49] <rtg_> henrix, already did
[15:49] <henrix> rtg_: heh, cool. thanks
[15:57] <rtg_> jjohansen, henrix, rebooting tangerine for kernel update
[15:58] <henrix> rtg_: ack
[15:58] <jjohansen> rtg_: okay, give me one minute
[15:58] <jjohansen> hehe, or not
[15:58] <rtg_> jjohansen, go ahead
[15:58] <jjohansen> rtg_: no I'm good, I just wanted to make sure my editor was closed and saved, but I had already done that
[16:58] <slangasek> hi, can anyone here tell me if there's more debugging info that would be useful from the running process on bug #1117499, before I kill with fire?
[16:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1117499 in linux (Ubuntu) "killall -9 firefox fails to work in raring" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1117499
[17:00] <slangasek> bjf: ^^ any thoughts on this madness?
[17:03] <ohsix> would want to see the process state and wchan
[17:04] <slangasek> ohsix: shown how?
[17:05] <ohsix> /proc/<pid>/wchan, top displays it i think
[17:06] <ohsix> if it's waiting on something in the kernel it will have a name, it wouldn't be unkillable unless it's in a syscall that won't exit
[17:07] <slangasek> well, seems to be state 'R' - not state 'D' which is what I would normally expect to see for an unkillable process?
[17:09] <slangasek> so I guess the next question is, can I kill the X server or is it similarly wedged
[17:11] <ohsix> there's no transitive property of signal-undelivery between firefox and X or any other process i know of
[17:11] <slangasek> sure
[17:11] <ohsix> what's perf top say firefox is doing
[17:11] <slangasek> but the firefox and X processes seem to be in a similarly useless state
[17:11] <slangasek> (using lots of CPU according to top, but not using it for anything I would like it to)
[17:12] <slangasek> ohsix: I don't have perf installed and apt offers me two choices - linux-base and linux-tools-common.  Does it matter which I take?
[17:12] <slangasek> oh, looks like one of these might be a ghost and linux-tools-common is the right one
[17:12] <ohsix> it's in linux-tools-common
[17:12] <rtg_> slangasek, should be linux-tools-common
[17:13] <slangasek> er, except it isn't in fact
[17:13] <slangasek> packaging bug?
[17:13] <ohsix> i got that same offer after a reinstall, didn't look into why it suggested linux-base; there's a wrapper script and a versioned binary to go with the kernel, i'm guessing they moved around a little
[17:13] <infinity> slangasek: linux-tools-$(uname -r)
[17:13] <ohsix> perf_<tab> :)
[17:13] <slangasek> $ dpkg -L linux-tools-common | grep perf
[17:13] <slangasek> /usr/share/man/man8/x86_energy_perf_policy.8.gz
[17:13] <slangasek> /usr/bin/x86_energy_perf_policy
[17:13] <slangasek> infinity: ta
[17:14] <infinity> Err, or not.
[17:14] <slangasek> infinity: minus the -generic :)
[17:14] <infinity> linux-tools-3.8.0-4
[17:14] <infinity> Yeah.
[17:14] <infinity> There's a "linux-tools" metapackage that deals with that. :P
[17:14] <slangasek> er, that doesn't have it *either*
[17:15] <infinity> No, it sure doesn't... Did we disable perf again, due to libaudit deps?
[17:15] <rtg_> slangasek, infinity - I think so due to build issues. lemme recheck it
[17:16] <slangasek> linux (3.8.0-0.2) raring; urgency=low
[17:16] <slangasek>   * [packaging] Add macro to selectively disable building perf
[17:16] <slangasek>   * [packaging] Cannot depend on universe package libaudit-dev
[17:16] <infinity> It may be high time for us to just MIR audit.
[17:16] <rtg_> infinity, right, that kind of fell off my radar.
[17:16] <slangasek> infinity: it's been requested before but stalled for some reason I don't recall... I think I talked to jdstrand about it a while ago, maybe sync with him?
[17:16] <slangasek> I think we do want to get audit into main though, yeah
[17:16] <infinity> Yeah, there's been more than one MIR attempt for audit, IIRC.
[17:17] <infinity> But a ton of stuff depends on it these days.
[17:17] <infinity> (even glibc)
[17:17] <slangasek> pam wants it too
[17:17] <slangasek> and systemd of course
[17:18] <infinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audit/+bug/1026852
[17:18] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1026852 in audit (Ubuntu) "[MIR] audit (pulls in libprelude)" [Undecided,New]
[17:18] <ohsix> so you can't run perf? that's awesome
[17:18] <infinity> So, yeah, that's been stalled.  I'll poke the relevant folks.
[17:35] <ppisati> guess what?
[17:36]  * ppisati -> gym
[17:37] <slangasek> Penn and Taler
[17:37] <slangasek> hmm
[17:42] <slangasek> so, firefox finally saw fit to die on its own
[17:42] <slangasek> X is still frozen though
[17:45] <ohsix> if it really was not responding to SIGKILL, it finally was able to exit whatever syscall it was in _if_ thats' what it was, there's not much else you can do to keep SIGKILL from being delivered
[18:26]  * rtg_ burns a couple hours catching up with LKML
[18:28]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[18:31] <zequence> I have a problem with my debian/rules file. Meaning to update linux-lowlatency for precise. This is what happens:
[18:31] <zequence> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[18:31] <zequence> debian/rules.d/0-common-vars.mk:10: *** first argument to `word' function must be greater than 0.  Stop.
[18:32] <zequence> Been googling a bit, but I might need more stuff to go through all of it
[18:33] <zequence> apw: Something with the debian folder in lowlatency seems to be wacky. What would be the best way for me to circumvent this problem
[18:37] <apw> zequence, i think that might be caused by a corrupt versionlog
[18:37] <apw> zequence, check debian.lowlatency/changelog hasn't got wacked any
[18:38] <apw> zequence, ahh are you using the fixed version i published ?
[18:38] <apw> zequence, i had to remove a blank line from your changelog to be able to upload it
[18:38] <apw> commit 9a282dd2cd0f7c85f62dea5fe8221940e26a0612
[18:38] <apw> Author: Andy Whitcroft<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:38] <apw> Date:   Mon Jan 28 09:31:19 2013 +0000
[18:38] <apw>     UBUNTU: fix up blank lines in changelog
[18:39] <apw> zequence, i bet it is that which is breaking you, pull from the 'public' repo: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/apw/ubuntu-precise-lowlatency.git
[18:40] <zequence> apw: Oh. Thanks. Will try that
[19:05] <zequence> apw: Hope I didn't cause you too much trouble. I baked in your commit, updated, and pushed linux-precise-lowlatency
[19:07] <apw> zequence, sweet
[19:07] <apw> will look at it later thanks
[19:28] <infinity> apw: Your linux-lowlatency is missing a build-dep on openssl
[19:29] <infinity> apw: (Master has it, you might want to double-check if anything else is missing)
[20:45]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[23:29] <apw> infinity, thanks
[23:31] <infinity> apw: I'd have pointed it out when I fixed powerpc, but I didn't realise lowlatency was similarly broken. :P