[02:00] <TAFB> can anyone help me install Windows XP on my Ubuntu VPS?
[02:03] <sarnold> TAFB: heh are you still trying to use that openvz-ish system? if so, start with "bochs"
[02:05] <TAFB> sarnold: Yes, I believe so :)
[02:05] <TAFB> <- linux noob
[02:06] <TAFB> bochs looks interesting, I'll read up on it, thanks!
[02:10] <sarnold> TAFB: another thing to consider is just paying amazon to run windows for you -- https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00KQOWCAQ/ref=mkt_ste_windows_amis -- I haven't got a clue how you -use- the thing, but maybe there's a VNC interface or something?
[02:11] <RoyK> TAFB: probably easier with a kvm vm thnan openvz
[02:11] <TAFB> I'd really really like to run it on my current server as that's where all the media will be streamed from, but if it's not possible or has bad reliablility or performance then I'll consider other options.
[02:11] <sarnold> a t2.medium has 2vcpu and 4gigs ram, and costs just under 8 cents an hour :) that buys a lot of not-caring-how-it-works :)
[02:11] <TAFB> I have a Windows RDP server in Paris but the peering/speed to north america is horrible.
[02:17] <RoyK> TAFB: just setup samba and share the media that way
[02:18] <TAFB> it's for a live stream, so latency and jitter is an issue
[02:19] <RoyK> then why windows?
[02:19] <RoyK> or why mixed platforms?
[02:19] <TAFB> the only software I've found to unencrypt the live stream and re-stream it is tubedigger, only runs on windows.
[02:19] <sarnold> hah then forget you ever heard about bochs :)
[02:20] <TAFB> bochs not good performance? lol
[02:20] <TAFB> it's windows xp, how hard can it be to emulate?
[02:21] <RoyK> TAFB: not very hard at least if you install the paravirt drivers
[02:21] <RoyK> TAFB: if you don't paravirt it, it'll be very slow
[02:26] <TAFB> "Paravirtualization requires the guest operating system to be explicitly ported for the para-API"
[02:26] <TAFB> doesn't sound like I'll be able to use it on my current VPS :(
[02:27] <sarnold> indeed no :)
[02:57] <patdk-lap> I think everyone has discontinued paravirtualization
[02:57] <patdk-lap> except if your running like lxc :)
[02:57] <patdk-lap> I know vmware killed it off, and aws did, not sure if xen did or not
[02:58] <sarnold> paravirtualization has moved into the drivers
[02:59] <sarnold> virtio block, virtio nic, virtio rng, etc
[02:59] <RoyK> patdk-lap: hwvirt is rather dead - as sarnold says, paravirt is in the drivers
[03:00] <RoyK> patdk-lap: xen is rather dead, though, which is good
[03:00] <sarnold> unless you're still running with an ne2k emulated nic :)
[03:01] <RoyK> heh - I setup this vm a few days back to feed flightradar24 with an usb thing - turned out it was using a crappy usb2 virt driver with only polling
[03:02] <RoyK> dma was envented - what - 30 years ago?
[03:02] <patdk-lap> oh, not paravirtualization, paravirt drivers
[03:03] <RoyK> same thing
[03:03] <patdk-lap> vmware and aws killed paravirt vm's though
[03:03] <patdk-lap> no it's not
[03:03] <patdk-lap> you can run xen in paravirt or hvm mode
[03:03] <patdk-lap> paravirt shares the host os kernel
[03:03] <RoyK> yeah and the hvm mode sucks rather badly
[03:03] <patdk-lap> why? hvm is just normal qemu
[03:03] <patdk-lap> qemu-kvm
[03:04] <RoyK> xen in hwvirt
[03:04] <RoyK> sucks
[03:04] <patdk-lap> if your on 32bit, and not using cpu vt, sure
[03:05] <RoyK> performance of a 386 with old drives
[03:27] <TAFB> how do I set the resolution of tightvnc? I tried xrandr --fb 1920x1080 but it says "can't open display"
[06:47] <rostam> hi all using 14.04 server trying to resolve the boot issue, I found out the plymouth restart fails, I changed the grub to disable it still I see the issue, How can I disable the plymouth? Thank you.
[07:15] <temhaa> Hello, I am newbie in virtualization. I am thinking to use ubuntu as host server. Which virtualization method is best. I will buy tower server for this. For example I need 8 GB RAM, 2 or 4 core CPU for each guest. I want to create least 3 or 4 guest for one host.
[07:16] <hateball> !best
[07:16] <hateball> ugh, spring cleaning
[07:16] <temhaa> Actually I need to 4 machine. I am thinking to provide with virtualization. What are your advices. If you help me I would be glad
[07:16] <hateball> temhaa: depends what you are comfortable with using
[07:16] <hateball> !kvm
[07:18] <temhaa> hateball: I have java application, ELK stack, some little applications in digitalocean. I am thinking to move my psysical server.
[07:19] <temhaa> hateball: I tried kvm before. But it is best tool I am not sure. I cant use lxc because I have docker containers for these applications
[07:20] <temhaa> hateball: I wonder, If I open 4 guest with kvm (each guest must have 8 gb ram 4 core cpu). what must be resources of host machine? How can I caclulate. I couldnt learn this
[07:22] <temhaa> Is there anybody who experienced with kvm
[07:31] <hateball> temhaa: overprovisioning isnt very easy to calculate
[08:06] <cpaelzer> temhaa: https://www.stgraber.org/2016/04/13/lxd-2-0-docker-in-lxd-712/
[08:06] <cpaelzer> temhaa: docker is no "you can't use containers for the first level"
[08:07] <cpaelzer> temhaa: I really agree with hateball that the biggest factor is what you feel comfortable with
[08:07] <cpaelzer> temhaa: that said - nobody else can decide lxd vs kvm for you :-/
[08:08] <cpaelzer> temhaa: I've used kvm and lxd a lot, and they just have different specialties and use cases
[08:08] <cpaelzer> temhaa: for lxd I recommend reading the full series about lxd that I linked one piece of
[08:09] <cpaelzer> temhaa: after that you should have a feeling for that, for KVM there are a million docs out there - it depends on what you want to know
[08:10] <cpaelzer> temhaa: and for your ressource question it depends - on how muhc of that size is active memory and how busy the cpus are
[08:10] <cpaelzer> temhaa: in general the answer to any performance and/or sizing question is "it depends"
[08:12] <temhaa> cpaelzer: non-shared resources are very importand me. as I know lxc is using shared resource, am I right?
[08:14] <cpaelzer> temhaa: kvm shares it's cpus as well if you don't stop it from doing so
[08:14] <cpaelzer> temhaa: so you want to hard-dedicate the ressources?
[08:14] <cpaelzer> temhaa: more like partitioning than sharing ?
[08:15] <cpaelzer> temhaa: that LXD can do as well in some way, see https://www.stgraber.org/2016/03/26/lxd-2-0-resource-control-412/
[08:16] <temhaa> cpaelzer: There are a lot of things what I dont know. For example overcommiting. Just think. I have two application. Each application wants 8 gb ram and 4 core. I want to install each application to different guest.
[08:17] <cpaelzer> temhaa: overcommiting just means for that case that if you have 4x8GB "guests" your Host doesn't have 32G
[08:18] <cpaelzer> temhaa: usually lxd will be a bit better at that, as it doesn't have the issue that the guest page cache appears as non-volatile memory
[08:18] <cpaelzer> temhaa: in KVM the host (in the worst case) will swap guest page cache (which the guest could just throw away)
[08:19] <cpaelzer> temhaa: if anythin (IMHO) the decision between KVM and LXD is more-isolation (kvm) vs. more effeciency (LXD)
[08:19] <temhaa> cpaelzer: Yes. I am learning what is mean.  I need 8X2 gb ram for two application, If I buy 16gb host machine then is it good practice I am not sure.
[08:19] <temhaa> cpaelzer: Because I want to decrease cost.
[08:20] <cpaelzer> temhaa: if you can size whatever you want, buy not only sum-of-guests, but sum-of-guests+safety (for the Host)
[08:21] <cpaelzer> temhaa: if your target is to lower cost you have to reverse that and that implies you strive for more effeciencey which is usually where LXD wins
[08:21] <cpaelzer> and when you say 8x2GB - is that 8x2GB fully used?
[08:21] <cpaelzer> like 2GB JVM Heap?
[08:21] <temhaa> cpaelzer: by the wy I have heard LXD for now. It is something like lxc?
[08:21] <cpaelzer> because then your system needs at least a bit more around to breathe
[08:21] <temhaa> cpaelzer: they can be use fully
[08:22] <cpaelzer> temhaa: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/
[08:22] <temhaa> cpaelzer: yeah I am reading at the same time
[08:22] <cpaelzer> just take the hour or two and read  this and the artictle series I linked before
[08:24] <temhaa> cpaelzer: You say, "you can install docker to LXD. You can open guest machines with low cost". Because LXD is more lightweight then KVM
[08:24] <cpaelzer> temhaa: if you like more of a "show" http://www.grabber.xyz/2015/05/lxd-vs-kvm.r_7UbDgExdI.html
[08:24] <temhaa> cpaelzer: Last link what you sent doesnt work, it is not opening
[08:25] <cpaelzer> temhaa: that is true as long as your docker images are not breaking on the extra confinement that lxd adds
[08:25] <cpaelzer> hmm, let me check that link
[08:25] <cpaelzer> temhaa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90oxad2r8_E better?
[08:26] <cpaelzer> temhaa: I'd say check the vid, read the LXD article series by stgraber and then decide
[08:26] <cpaelzer> temhaa: I'd even say give one of your application containers a test e.g. on your laptop inside lxd
[08:28] <temhaa> cpaelzer: You can understand me, I am not professional. I dont have big server. actually I dont have server. I am thinking to buy to leave from digitalocean and amazon. So I am looking for virtuallization tool and I need to choice true resource of host machine. :)
[08:28] <temhaa> cpaelzer: Yes I am listening that video
[08:29] <cpaelzer> temhaa: I can understand you, but I can't (and I'm convinced nobody can) decide it "for you
[08:29] <cpaelzer> temhaa: in fact I think sales people can decide for you (that is what they do) :-P
[08:30] <temhaa> cpaelzer: I know, so I am asking what is your advice:)). If I have more money, It doesnt matter :P
[08:30] <temhaa> cpaelzer: sorry my english is not very well
[08:30] <cpaelzer> it is fine, never mind
[08:31] <cpaelzer> temhaa: I (personal opinion) would experiment with LXD and if it is working go with that as it is more efficient and you listed price as a target. But then (usually) on the clouds where you already are you are usually cheaper, just not as consistent. I'd chose KVM if (even more) isolation is a must for you.
[08:32] <cpaelzer> temhaa: and without any offense - but with "I am not a professional" you are likely better off sticking with the clouds - as they are professionals maintaining that stuff for you
[08:33] <newcomer25> The whole Law is fulfilled in one statement: ‘You’ll love your neighbour as much as yourself’ - Galatians 5:14
[08:33] <newcomer25> God bless you all and have fun using chatting!
[08:33] <cpaelzer> that was weird
[08:36] <temhaa> cpaelzer: I dont need high avaliability.  I want to run application in true resource. I can do server management
[08:36] <temhaa> cpaelzer: I need to decide LXD or KVM. Therefore I need to read more documentation. your explainations are very helpfull for me
[10:42] <YamakasY> hi guys
[10:43] <YamakasY> when I ssh to an ubuntu box, which always worked, and I get a connection refused now (several servers) should that be logged in syslog ?
[10:45] <ogra> YamakasY, perhaps http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html ?
[11:18] <xmj> moin
[11:18] <xmj> where does 16.04'
[11:18] <xmj> 's postgresql server store its data?
[11:20] <maswan> same place as always, /var/lib/postgresql/ ... ?
[11:22] <xmj> thx
[11:38] <xmj> more on that note, which package contains that default data?
[11:58] <Odd_Bloke> xmj: What do you mean by "default data"?  AIUI, Postgres will create the files on install/first start.
[12:11] <xmj> all good
[12:11] <xmj> Odd_Bloke: when you intentionally remove the data in /var/lib/postgresql, the question is which package makes it reappear on reinstall
[12:11] <xmj> i eventually found that purging and fiddling around helps with ^
[13:08] <jamespage> coreycb, niggle with your ubuntu-reports change is that reports.qa.ubuntu.com can't access github - its also running 12.04
[13:08] <jamespage> urgh
[13:26] <coreycb>  jamespage, that's too bad.  12.04 might be ok but yeah it needs access to github.
[13:40] <GMAzrael> almight IRC, I have an issue. My 16.04.01 server is not reponsing to the local subnet, but is responding to NAT'd requests. UFW and iptables are off. The nic is bridged for containers. Any thoughts?
[13:40] <GMAzrael> responding to ssh attempts*
[13:44] <GMAzrael> tcpdumps say no packets are coming in, but the server is pinging fine
[13:44] <coreycb> jamespage, qemu 1:2.2+dfsg-5expubuntu9.7~cloud6 is ready to promote to kilo-proposed
[13:45] <jamespage> coreycb, looking now
[13:51] <jamespage> ddellav, hey - I did the MIR for oslo.privsep - could you look at the two new deps for heat:
[13:51] <jamespage> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[13:51] <jamespage> for reference
[13:58] <coreycb> beisner, can you promote ceilometer 1:5.0.4-0ubuntu1~cloud0 ito liberty-proposed?
[13:59] <beisner> hi coreycb, done re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1614570
[14:01] <coreycb> beisner, thanks
[14:02] <setuid> Something weird, if I install 10 kernels to do a regression, grub/update-grub shows those kernels, but only the most-recent one gets an entry in the visible config.
[14:03] <setuid> How can I get grub to see (and list) ALL of the installed kernels?
[14:03] <setuid> I'd rather not drop to the grub shell every time to find/choose/edit the kernel line to select the one I need to test
[14:04] <setuid> I installed grub-customizer, and IT sees all of them and creates entries, but then when I save and exit, they're reverted, and only the last one is set up in the default entry
[14:14] <xnox> setuid, all kernels should be listed under sub-menu.
[14:14] <xnox> no idea what grub-customizer is
[14:16] <beisner> yw coreycb
[14:16] <setuid> xnox, Agreed, and I can see all the entries in grub.cfg, but the UI doesn't show them
[14:17] <setuid> I'll cut down the number of kernels and see if maybe there's a limit here
[14:21] <trippeh_> setuid: it should show up under the "Advanced options for Ubuntu" grub sub menu during boot.
[14:22] <trippeh_> you have to select the menu for the list to show up.
[14:22] <setuid> Right, and that menu only shows 2 kernels; the default and safe-mode
[14:22] <trippeh_> ah ok, that is odd.
[14:23] <setuid> I'm going to wipe out all the kernels one by one and start again
[15:04] <setuid> trippeh_, confirmed, even with 5, 6, 10 kernels, it only ever shows the last one
[15:04] <setuid> this is 16.04 server
[15:05] <setuid> but grub.cfg is correct, and lists all entries
[15:06] <setuid> The output from update-grub also shows the correct entries
[15:08] <setuid> It's almost like it's just not getting written to the actual boot block
[15:10] <setuid> Hrm, interesting... the kernels are all -lowlatency kernels, but the ONLY entry that shows up in grub's menus, is the 4.2.0-27 *NON* lowlatency kernel, all the ones that are newer/later, do not show,and they're all lowlatency
[15:10] <setuid> parsing bug with the kernel filename? Or is there some host-based triggers that grub ignores?
[15:17] <setuid> just installed a handful of 4.x.y-generic kernels, they're all ignored by grub
[15:17] <setuid> it only shows 4.2.0-27
[15:17] <setuid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23089276/
[15:20] <setuid> Just removed ALL the kernels, except 4.2.0-42-generic, and grub still shows 4.2.0-27 under Advanced, but the default entry boots 4.2.0-27 from -somewhere-, even though it's not in /boot/
[15:23] <nacc> setuid: i assume you're just reading /boot/grub/grub.cfg, right?
[15:24] <nacc> setuid: did this happen before you installed 'grub-customizer'?
[15:24] <setuid> nacc, Checked all the grub files, as well as the ncurses boot menu that comes up from the boot block when the machine is booted
[15:24] <setuid> nacc, This happened before I installed that, yes. The reason I installed it, was to see if grub-customizer correctly parsed the entries (it did)
[15:26] <nacc> setuid: i meant that the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file is also in error, not just the menu, sounds like it?
[15:26] <setuid> nacc, grub.cfg looks syntactically correct
[15:26] <nacc> setuid: it seems odd that 4.2.0-27 exists in teh menu and successfully boots if you removed it
[15:27] <nacc> setuid: i mean, does it contain menu entries for the other kernels?
[15:27] <setuid> # uname -a && grep 27 /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:27] <setuid> Linux ubuntu-14-04-4-vm 4.2.0-27-generic #32~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 22 15:32:26 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:27] <setuid>     insmod ieee1275_fb
[15:27] <setuid> i
[15:27] <setuid> I'm booted to a kernel that does not exist on the system
[15:27] <setuid> unless they're no longer stored in /boot/
[15:28] <nacc> setuid: are you on 14.04 or 16.04?
[15:28] <setuid> 14.04, (I misspoke earlier)
[15:29] <setuid> this is a clean, 14.04 image installed in vmware workstation
[15:29] <nacc> setuid: can you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[15:30] <setuid> Sure, one sec
[15:30] <nacc> fwiw, i think you're on a no-longer-supported HWE stack (14.04.4 rather than 14.04.5)
[15:31] <setuid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23089322/
[15:31] <setuid> nacc, I used the 14.04.4 ISO to install it
[15:31] <setuid> but it shouldn't be anything magical, 14.04.4 works elsewhere
[15:32] <setuid> where is 4.2.0-27 actually booting from? It's nowhere on disk, nor listed in the package listing
[15:34] <setuid> ah-HA!
[15:34] <nacc> setuid: you found it?
[15:34] <setuid> So /boot/ was a 200MB partition, I moved that out of the way, created /boot/ off of the root, put my kernels in there, grub and all tools recognized it, so I just mounted /boot2/ (the original /boot/), and there were a number of kernels in there, including -27
[15:35] <nacc> ah
[15:35] <setuid> So I removed everything, and rebooted. Now it doesn't boot (as expected)
[15:35] <setuid> so grub-install probably was pointed to that partition, while userspace tools pointed to /boot/
[15:35] <setuid> hence, the schism
[15:36] <nacc> yep, changing /boot makes sense
[15:36] <setuid> I needed the space for testing dozens of kernels
[15:37] <nacc> setuid: yep, understood
[15:46] <setuid> nacc, chicken and egg... /boot/ now resides on / which is an LVM, so grub can't see/boot it
[15:46] <rattking> Hi folks, I am having an issue where my post-up rules for adding a static routes in networking/interfaces are not taking on boot, if I restart networking service the routes do take, if I add a sleep 1; to the post-up it does take as well, this same config worked with 12.04. it has eth0,1 bonding and vlans so its a bit more then a usual interfaces config.. any ideas on how I can debug that further?
[15:46] <rattking> thanks.
[15:47] <setuid> I'll need to reinstall the whole box, choose non-LVM, or create a fatter /boot and do manual partitioning
[15:47] <nacc> setuid: ah ... yeah it might be easier
[15:48] <setuid> Can't easily expand /boot/, so I'll just create a second disk for /boot/ and if I need to increase it, add a third disk, rsync, and mount it back (it iS a vm after all, easy to do)
[15:50] <nacc> setuid: yeah, undersizing boot has been, ime, the most commen reason t reinstall :)
[15:53] <setuid> It's not common to need to add many kernels, but 200MB is pretty small, esp. given the size of most drives these days
[15:54] <setuid> 20GB boot should give me enough breathing room
[15:54] <nacc> setuid: yeah, 200M is very small
[15:57] <setuid> 4 kernls and you're out of space
[15:58] <setuid> That was a bit tricky to find, given that I no longer had the old /boot/, but grub still installed itself with the old data.
[15:59] <setuid> Still though, update-grub had the right kernels, what was it doing, if not replacing grub on the boot record?
[15:59] <setuid> was it writing to the boot record on the LVM partition, which grub (at boot time) ignores?
[15:59] <setuid> because that would be a bug, update-grub should warn that it's doing that, and the system will not boot with the options used
[16:20] <rattking> it seems like my post-up rules are running before the network interface is actually up
[16:21] <setuid> rattking, how many cpus?
[16:21] <setuid> I know it seems unrelated, but there's an issue we tripped on recently that sounds similar
[16:21] <rattking> 4
[16:22] <rattking> but some servers will have more
[16:22] <setuid> humor me, boot one with 'maxcpus=4' and see what happens
[16:23] <patdk-wk> physical or cores?
[16:24] <rattking> those are cores.. no hyperthreading
[16:25] <patdk-wk> more I was wondering if the issue is related per core, or socket count
[16:25] <rattking> this motherboard is a dual socket, but only 1 is populated
[16:27] <rattking> wow.. with maxcpus=4 the postup rules loaded on boot.. what the heck kind of bug is that?
[16:29] <nacc> sounds like a race?
[16:29] <rattking> yeah I was thinking its a race.. because adding 'post-up sleep 1' caused it all to work too
[16:30] <nacc> rattking: is 4 < the number of cpus normally shown in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[16:31] <rattking> on this system its processor: 0 - 3 .. so yeah 4
[16:32] <nacc> setuid: hrm, do you know why specifying maxcpus= changed behavior in your system (why you suggested it)
[16:34] <setuid> nacc, we're tracking it down, it's some very subtle race condition with interfaces and sub-interfaces
[16:34] <setuid> "We" == (@Canonical)
[16:35] <setuid> There appears to be a tipping point somewhere north of maxcpus=8
[16:40] <rattking> setuid any ideas on other ways a can get around that? I have a bunch of systems with different numbers of cpus
[16:41] <setuid> Did it work when you tested it with statically defining maxcpus?
[16:43] <iliv> I have this odd problem with Xenial LTS running as guest vm in virtual box. It has two NIC's and one of them doesn't work after the system starts unless I restart networking or run ifdown enp0s8; ifup enp0s8 manually. ip a l command shows that link of enp0s8 is UP, it is assigned a static IP address but I can't ping other hosts on the same network unless I restart networking or toggle the enp0s8 interface manually with ifdown/ifup commands.
[16:43] <iliv> this is my dmesg log https://dpaste.de/7r2D/raw
[16:44] <setuid> iliv, Does /etc/network/interfaces have that interface set to start?
[16:44] <iliv> yes
[16:44] <setuid> auto enp0s8?
[16:44] <setuid> and a block for that adapter to define it? (iface enp0s8 inet static... etc.?)
[16:44] <setuid> or dhcp, as your needs require
[16:44] <rattking> setuid: I am not sure what you mean by statically defining maxcpus
[16:45] <setuid> rattking, boot your server, passing 'maxcpus=4' on the kernel args line ('e' at grub to edit it, F10 to boot with the modified line), and see if it happens
[16:45] <iliv> setuid, it looks like so:
[16:45] <iliv> auto enp0s8
[16:45] <iliv> iface enp0s8 inet static
[16:45] <iliv> 	address <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:45] <iliv> 	netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:45] <setuid> iliv, no gateway, no dns-nameservers?
[16:46] <iliv> no need for any
[16:46] <rattking> oh yes it did work when I set maxcpus=4.. I am wondering how I can handle that on many systems with different numbers of cpus
[16:46] <iliv> it's the secondary interface that is used in a very simplistic LAN
[16:46] <setuid> when you say "one of them doesn't work", what do you mean? It's not assigned an IP?
[16:47] <setuid> Or it's not bringing up the interface?
[16:47] <iliv> IP address is assigned to enp0s8, link is reported as up by ip a l but I can't pint this IP address or any other IP on this lan from this system until I toggle enp0s8 or restart networking via systemctl
[16:48] <setuid> You can't ping it from the same host? Or from another host?
[16:48] <iliv> setuid, note in dmesg log how enp0s3 "becomes ready" and enp0s8 never does so
[16:48] <setuid> You won't be able to ping it from another host, because you don't have the gateway set, therefore, no routes to that host, and no ARP table entries
[16:48] <iliv> I can't ping enp0s8 from another host on the same network
[16:48] <setuid> That's expected, no route, no ARP path to the host
[16:49] <setuid> But if you can't ping it from itself, that's an issue
[16:49] <setuid> back in a lunch...
[16:49] <iliv> are those all set up when I do ifdown followed by ifup?
[16:52] <iliv> in my experience it is all set up automatically as long as link is up and IP address, plus netmask, are assigned
[16:58] <iliv> setuid|lunch, see for yourself http://i.imgur.com/RuTjEFx.png This is how it looks right after the system started. Everything is there but it just doesn't work unless I toggle the interface.
[17:06] <setuid|lunch> iliv, Does it work if you run 'ifup enp0s8'?
[17:06] <iliv> setuid|lunch, if I toggle it: ifdown followed by ifup
[17:06] <iliv> setuid|lunch, if it is just ifup then no
[17:07] <ddellav> jamespage just saw your message, i will take care of those ASAP
[17:09] <iliv> setuid|lunch, here's an example http://i.imgur.com/dVC4ajl.png
[17:09] <setuid> iliv, is this a physical adapter? or virtual?
[17:10] <iliv> setuid, virtual. this system is xenial lts virtualbox guest vm. the adapter in question here is host-only type of adapter. the host is xenial lts too.
[17:11] <setuid> If you set it to 'nat', does it work?
[17:12] <iliv> I have two interfaces in this guest vm. One is enp0s3, which is the NAT interface you refer to and it always works. No problems whatsoever. The other one, which is enp0s8 we have been discussing so far, is the interface that is seemingly configured correctly but never works until it's toggled.
[17:14] <iliv> and it is host-only as I said above
[17:16] <setuid> Right, I understand that. If you change nothing at all in the guest, and just set the interface to NAT in vbox, does it work?
[17:16] <setuid> I'm trying to separate the possible issues
[17:18] <iliv> setuid, then I will end up with two NAT interfaces
[17:18] <iliv> which wil most likely isn't going to work right
[17:22] <iliv> setuid, I added this one-liner to /etc/rc.local: ifdown enp0s8 && ifup enp0s8 and it helps but it's an ugly hack obviously.
[17:25] <setuid> You can have as many NAT interfaces as you want, up to the limits of your upstream switch/dhcp server's ability to hold them in the ARP table, but that's not the issue. I'm not saying this is the solution, I'm asking to test it to see if it's an issue in the host-only networking layer (vif) vs. NAT to a physical adapter.
[17:25] <setuid> Right, that's a hack, not a solution
[17:27] <iliv> sure, give me a couple minutes to test that..
[17:31] <setuid> nacc, I'm wondering where this 'grub' issue really needs to be filed
[17:32] <jhobbs> WG 2
[17:32] <jhobbs> oops
[17:32] <setuid> nacc, Is increasing /boot/ an SOP when you need more space? Or do most people just toss the build and reinstall? Or do they nuke /boot/ partition, add /boot to / and do what I did?
[17:47] <iliv> setuid, alright so two NAT interfaces: http://i.imgur.com/LX5Q3sO.png It works.
[17:50] <rattking> setuid: when I set maxcpus=8 on a system with 8 cores I find the post-up scripts do not work again.. any ideas on how to deal with that?
[17:51] <nacc> setuid: yeah, not sure
[17:51] <nacc> setuid: i mean, in theory, increasing the size of boot maybe is normal
[17:51] <nacc> setuid: but i think most people start over when they hit it these days -- or know they don't really need a separate /boot, etc
[17:53] <setuid> nacc, I generally set /boot/ to noexec, ro, sync and make it ext2, so having it separate from / makes sense, esp. if you corrupt your rootfs, you can still boot the machine and attempt some recovery
[17:54] <nacc> setuid: sure, i can see reasons for doing it that way -- i think they are less relevant (ime) these days, but yeah, the bug might just be with usability when you try to switch /boot
[17:57] <setuid> Part misinterpretation (/ being an LVM, and me adding /boot as a directory to that partition, which grub can't boot to), and the real bug that update-grub/grub.cfg and other tools implied they were doing the right thing, but grub itself was still booting to the old -partition-, even though it was not mounted to /boot/ any longer.
[17:58] <setuid> update-grub should probably warn that it's going to create a non-bootable environment if it detects that /boot/ is on an LVM
[18:49] <iliv> setuid, what do you know! a virtio-net host-only interface works. before that I used an Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop variety virtual NIC.
[18:49] <setuid> Sounds like a bug with the vif, file that with vbox
[18:50] <setuid> Unless you can duplicate it on vmware workstation and isolate it as an OS bug
[19:24] <JordanWP> I am using postfix on ubuntu server and my emails are relayed to MS Exchange.  Wondering how to change the From: address on the email.  Anyone?
[19:25] <JordanWP> Its currently using wordpress@%hostname%
[19:25] <bekks> Thats entirely not what a mail relay does.
[19:26] <patdk-wk> JordanWP, fix your software that creates the email
[19:26] <patdk-wk> sounds like it's wordpress
[19:26] <sarnold> there's two From headers in email, the envelope-From and then the message body From:
[19:27] <patdk-wk> no, there is only one from header
[19:27] <patdk-wk> envelope-from is not a header
[19:27] <sarnold> if your wordpress is sending with the /usr/bin/sendmail program then the -f command line option can change the envelope-from header: http://www.postfix.org/sendmail.1.html
[19:27] <sarnold> if your wordpress is setting the From: header then you need to modify the wordpress config to set the correct thing
[19:27] <patdk-wk> but it still comes down to, the software is creating the email incorrectly and needs to be fixed
[19:28] <JordanWP> okay so i need to quit looking to change anything with postfix and dig through my wordpress files.
[19:28] <sarnold> yeah, wordpress would be my starting point
[19:28] <JordanWP> okay thank you.  I will start poking around.
[21:08] <apb1963_> Aptitude is giving me an abortion when trying to install libsnmp-dev.  Details here: http://pastebin.com/AAaZgFid
[21:51] <sarnold> apb1963_: normally that means that the i386 versions don't match exactly with the already-installed amd64 versions
[21:51] <sarnold> apb1963_: try an apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade first to make sure that you've got the newest versions of everything.
[22:11] <apb1963_> sarnold: I never do dist-upgrade ...it just makes me nervous.
[22:11] <bekks> So do "apt update; apt full-upgrade" instead.
[22:11] <sarnold> apb1963_: makes sense, just do a standard upgrade instead..
[22:15] <apb1963_> well... what worries me is the fact that packages can get removed and I don't know enough to know when to be concerned. However... I'll give it a shot.
[22:15] <apb1963_> I do upgrades on a regular basis
[22:15] <sarnold> that does seem to happen a lot when people wind up installing the i386 binaries alongside the amd64 binaries
[22:16] <sarnold> for some reason some idiot software suggests something that then winds up trying to uninstall sudo.
[22:16] <apb1963_> well... that was the result of a script the asterisk related people wrote...  and yes... it's idiotic.
[22:16] <apb1963_> It looks for purged packages and then trys to install them
[22:16] <apb1963_> sacrificing the already installed version
[22:17] <apb1963_> That's where the i386 packages come from
[22:18] <apb1963_> Being the trusting sort without a good understanding of the packaging system... I ran the script.
[22:18] <apb1963_> although I'm not quite sure why they turn up in an aptitude search
[22:19] <apb1963_> oh... nvm... brain fart
[22:19] <apb1963_> strike that last sentence
[22:32] <apb1963_> how can I cat a file to pastebin directly?
[22:33] <apb1963_> I used to be able to do it.. forgot how.
[22:33] <nacc> apb1963_: pastebinit
[22:33] <apb1963_> oh yeah
[22:33] <apb1963_> :)
[22:33] <apb1963_> thx :)
[22:33] <bekks> By running: cat yourtextfile | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:33] <nacc> or that
[22:33] <apb1963_> nc... is that netcat?
[22:34] <apb1963_> output from latest script run.  It's not pretty.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23090907/
[22:36] <sarnold> what a disaster
[22:38] <apb1963_> pretty much
[22:38] <apb1963_> afk... brb
[22:41] <apb1963_> ok
[22:41] <apb1963_> so...I guess I need to rewrite the script so that it doesn't try to install purged packages.
[22:42] <apb1963_> Perhaps use apt-get instead of aptitude?
[22:44] <apb1963_> Here's the script if yo're interested....  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23090933/
[22:44] <bekks> If your script caused that mess, I'll not use it :P
[22:45] <apb1963_> no... not for using... for fixing :)
[22:46] <apb1963_> As in... helping me to determine the correct way to do it.
[22:46] <sarnold> there's good news and bad news
[22:46] <apb1963_> lol
[22:46] <sarnold> the bad news is that script looks terrible and what it's done to your system may be insanely difficult to repair
[22:46] <apb1963_> yeah
[22:46] <sarnold> the good news is that you can very nearly do what you need form it with very little effort
[22:47] <sarnold> "apt-get install <start copy-and-psating the pacakges from the PACKAGES_DEBIAN lines>"
[22:47] <apb1963_> yeah... it's not a difficult script in general
[22:47] <apb1963_> yeah.. pretty much... I was thinking to just eliminate the search for packages since it just does stupid with the results.
[22:48] <apb1963_> And that would basically make it a plain aptitutude (or apt-get) install.
[22:50] <sarnold> these sorts of "install scripts" are always miserable compared to just preparing a package with proper dependencies, like all the other packages in the archive have done..
[22:51] <sarnold> apb1963_: here's a little script you can use to find i386 packages on your system: dpkg -l | awk '$1 ~ /ii/ && $4 ~ /i386/ {print}'   --- some may need to be there, so don't just go deleting things all over the place. but it may be helpful.
[22:51] <apb1963_> nice
[22:51] <apb1963_> thank you
[22:51] <sarnold> apb1963_: here's the ones that are already installed on my laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/23090948/
[22:52] <sarnold> i'm surprised how many I have
[22:52] <apb1963_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23090951/
[22:53] <sarnold> hah, that paste just has the url to your previous paste :)
[22:53] <apb1963_> hmm
[22:54] <apb1963_> o i c what happened
[22:54] <apb1963_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23090956/
[22:55] <apb1963_> i'm running 14.04.5  you?
[22:55] <sarnold> 16.04 here
[22:57] <apb1963_> also for the record... I removed libsnmp-dev from the list because it kept aborting.
[22:58] <sarnold> I've never used aptitude enough to know how it really works but I have a feeling that this would have worked way better if the script had just blindly used apt to install everything without trying to be clever
[22:58] <sarnold> apb1963_: if you're willing to gamble a bit, try this: apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '$1 ~ /ii/ && $2 ~ /:i386/ && $4 ~ /i386/ {print}')
[22:58] <apb1963_> sarnold: owwie
[22:58] <sarnold> apb1963_: that will try to delete all the i386 pacages that have :i386 in the name
[22:59] <apb1963_> sarnold: wouldn't I be better off simply letting apt-get attempt to resolve?
[23:00] <sarnold> apb1963_: maybe. your situation is .. certainly extreme.
[23:20] <apb1963_> It sure would be nice if ubuntu was distributed with essential packages pre-pinned so you couldn't hose your system unless you really knew what you were doing.
[23:21] <sarnold> yeah it'd be nice if there was some way to alllow upgrades but not uninstalls on some subset of packages..
[23:21] <sarnold> sudo has a preuninstall script that protects it
[23:21] <sarnold> but I can't imagine that anyone who has run into it also has the technical ability to make their package database happy again
[23:21] <apb1963_> and of course the asterisk guys refuse to take responsibility since it's a contributed script.  I think I"ll contribute "rm -rf /" and see if they change their policy
[23:22] <apb1963_> exactly.  The package management system is a basic nightmare.  I doubt anyone knows the proper way to use it.l
[23:29] <apb1963_> sarnold: I think what I need to do is determine which packages have both amd64 and i386 available... and then purge just those.
[23:29] <apb1963_> or at least start there.
[23:29] <sarnold> apb1963_: I think that's what the :i386 in the package name indicates
[23:30] <apb1963_> no I don't mean on my machine... I mean in the repos.
[23:30] <apb1963_> I would assume that if there is an amd64 package, that I want it.
[23:30] <apb1963_> rather than the i386 pkg
[23:30] <sarnold> that's what I mean, the :i386 bit in the package name means that that package has both amd64 and i386 variants
[23:31] <apb1963_> And if there is no amd64 available... then I get the i386
[23:31] <sarnold> heh ,are there any packages that are only i386?
[23:31] <apb1963_> huh?  so.. how does it indicate that only i386 is availalbe?
[23:31] <sarnold> now I'm curious
[23:32] <apb1963_> oh... that I don't know.  But it begs the question... why would any of my pkgs be i386 if there are amd64 versions for everything?
[23:32] <sarnold> _normally_ it would be because e.g. a game vendor only makes i386 builds of their game because they are still stuck in 2006 or something
[23:32] <sarnold> or WINE
[23:33] <apb1963_> ok... so back to your comment:  "<sarnold> that's what I mean, the :i386 bit in the package name means that that package has both amd64 and i386 variants"  How can you tell that there is no amd64 package if i386 claims both are available?
[23:34] <sarnold> apb1963_: I'm not sure, I'm trying to think of a way to figure out if there are any packages that exist for i386 but not amd64
[23:35] <apb1963_> well... wouldn't it be reported by dpkg in that script you made?
[23:36] <apb1963_> tweaked a bit of course
[23:38] <DexDeadly> Hey all, quick question.  I just setup a lamp stack.  My question is this is just local, whats a good ftp setup to do and use or any other good apache web admin
[23:38] <sarnold> that script only knows about packages that have been or are installed on the computer
[23:38] <sarnold> DexDeadly: the best ftp setup is to forget about ftp and use sftp instead :)
[23:38] <apb1963_> sarnold: yes... I'm seeing that now...  however I'm also seeing things like this:
[23:38] <apb1963_> ii  linux-libc-dev:amd64    3.13.0-93.140    amd64            Linux Kernel Headers for development
[23:38] <apb1963_> ii  linux-libc-dev:i386     3.13.0-93.140    i386             Linux Kernel Headers for development
[23:39] <apb1963_> and I think that's a pretty good indication of a problem
[23:39] <sarnold> apb1963_: there are legitimate reasons for that to happen but I don't think that script had your best interests at heart :)
[23:40] <apb1963_> no.. it really didn't.  Some clown wrote it... perhaps it worked on an earlier version.
[23:40] <sarnold> it may work fine on a system without the multiarch packages available...
[23:42] <apb1963_> Yeah... yet more confusion as to what packages should be installed.
[23:49] <apb1963_> sarnold: So I've decided to purge anomolies.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23091091/
[23:49] <apb1963_> I did that because I saw this:
[23:49] <apb1963_> ii  gcc-4.8-base:i386                                           4.8.4-2ubuntu1~14.04.3                   i386         GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
[23:49] <apb1963_> ii  gcc-4.9-base:amd64                                          4.9.3-0ubuntu4                           amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
[23:49] <apb1963_> ii  gcc-4.9-base:i386                                           4.9.3-0ubuntu4                           i386         GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
[23:51] <apb1963_> How's that look to you in terms of letting in proceed?
[23:51] <apb1963_> s/in/it
[23:52] <sarnold> apb1963_: yay, looks good
[23:52] <apb1963_> ty
[23:52] <sarnold> apb1963_: thogh there's that 'skype'. If you want it you may want to reinstall skype again once you're done..
[23:53] <apb1963_> Yeah... would be nice if I could say  yes to all except skype
[23:53] <apb1963_> or  yes this no that.
[23:58] <apb1963_> I was about to remove the i386 version but since it had so many pkgs unrelated to asterisk (like adobe reader) I decided to see what the amd64 version looked like. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23091113/
[23:58] <apb1963_> sarnold: ^^
[23:59] <sarnold> apb1963_: what does dpkg -l libc6 show?
[23:59] <apb1963_> ii  libc6:amd64                         2.19-0ubuntu6.9        amd64                  Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
[23:59] <apb1963_> ii  libc6:i386                          2.19-0ubuntu6.9        i386                   Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries


 Didn't leave until noon. That eats into my time to learn stuff.
[00:57] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci0Pihl2zXY
[00:57] <diddledan> wikipedia - what did we edit in 2014 ^^
[01:23] <diddledan> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11327571/Leap-second-French-time-lords-add-one-second-to-2015.html
[01:23] <diddledan> who knew that time lords were french?!
[01:23] <diddledan> tell that to the doc
[01:24]  * zmoylan-pi thanks the day i decided never to allow a clock in the house that doesn't use radio signal to update
[02:50] <plasmaxbox> how can i reinstall refresh my copy of ubutu
[02:59] <diddledan> reinstall the same way you installed in the first place
[03:00] <plasmaxbox> lol
[04:13] <diddledan> ok, so, antman. wtf, marvel?!
[04:19] <mapp> ANOTHER DAY
[04:19] <mapp> ANOTHER 10PINTS DOWN
[04:19] <mapp> ;)
[08:52] <MooDoo> hows every this morning?
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:32] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:44] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:45] <popey> lets try and predict what james tait will say today is when he arrives...
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Old Rock Day! :-)
[09:46] <JamesTait> D'oh!
[09:46] <MooDoo> i wouldn't of thought he'dd be talking about davmor2 as soon as he got in ;)
[09:46] <popey> dammit
[09:46] <popey> I expected Pioneers Day
[09:47] <popey> Or indeed Christmas.
[09:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: \o/ old rock is the best rock \o/
[09:47] <JamesTait> I almost went with I'm Not Going To Take It Any More Day.
[09:47] <popey> heh
[09:47] <JamesTait> davmor2, this day relates to the geological type, though.
[09:55] <awilkins> Those gosh darned new rocks, swanning round the place like they own it, only been here a few million years
[09:56] <awilkins> Some folks these days, they're not even igneous! Chalk, even! Would you give yourselves airs and graces if I could use you to draw with?
[09:58] <DJones> awilkins: Are you quoting the text of a Discworld book (Maybe Thud!)
[09:58] <awilkins> Just from memory. A bit.
[09:58] <awilkins> Not sure it's Thud, feels like an early one
[09:59] <awilkins> Might be from The Light Fantastic when Rincewind encounters the trolls
[09:59] <popey> ho ho http://www.gamespot.com/articles/danish-government-creates-entire-country-in-minecraft-users-promptly-blow-it-up-and-plant-american-flag/1100-6419412/
[10:00] <ali12341> at least they got the scale right
[10:00] <DJones> awilkins: I thought I recognised it anyway, Sgt Detritus if memory serves me right
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> so apple hates vim... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6tTSK_IAAAB9qm.png:large
[10:31] <popey> you know that's an artist render?
[10:31] <popey> not an actual photo of a device
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> oh, thank goodness.  sorry for posting wrong information...
[10:36] <DJones> I can understand why Apple's wouldn't like Vim though, putting a kitchen scouring powder into you're apple crumble won't make it taste very nice :)
[10:36]  * DJones shows his age in knowing what Vim is
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> be quiet or i'll condem you to edlin :-)
[10:37] <DJones> Heh
[10:37] <bigcalm> Morning intrbiz
[10:38] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: Just trying to remember what I used coding on Apple II's
[10:41] <bigcalm> I am amazed by DPD's tracking service. Why can't all delivery companies be so good?
[10:41] <Myrtti> it's not that good in Finland.
[10:41] <bigcalm> Sam is currently making delivery number 22, you are delivery number 44. Sam is approximately 1 hour 30 minutes away from you.
[10:42] <Myrtti> mind you, that system has a flaw: if the delivery would be arriving earlier than the estimate, he'll have to wait at your door until the clock strikes the estimate
[10:42] <Myrtti> I once offered the delivery guy a mug of tea while he waited
[10:42] <bigcalm> Has that ever happened?
[10:42] <bigcalm> Goodness
[10:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning and happy new year
[10:45] <bigcalm> intrbiz: aye, likewise :)
[10:47] <christel> yeah, i once had a bloke having to wait because the handheld thingie wouldn't let him have me sign for the item early! :)
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> so he had time to file a bug report...
[12:29] <ali12341> wow, ethan lee is at agdq
[12:34] <popey> ali12341: ahh, i wondered what that photo of his legs was supposed to be
[12:38] <ali12341> i didn't know rogue legacy was even ported
[13:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: see twitter
[13:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you not see the new one?
[13:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: no
[13:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: Link and release date?
[13:11] <bigcalm> I had to order this from Italy for a princely sum :(
[13:11] <popey> "had to" ☻
[13:12]  * bigcalm nods
[13:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: it was in the xmas catalog http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/TIE-Advanced-Prototype-75082?fromListing=listing
[13:12] <bigcalm> Goodness
[13:12] <bigcalm> Not sure I like the look of it
[13:13] <popey> how much was it from italy?
[13:13] <bigcalm> popey: I had one click amazon enabled on my phone (now disabled)
[13:13] <bigcalm> popey: item cost was about 45 quid
[13:13] <popey> heh
[13:13] <bigcalm> popey: p&p was about 54 quid
[13:14] <popey> thats not so bad
[13:14] <popey> expected you to say 80-100
[13:14] <bigcalm> I don't think I would have spent 100 on the tie fighter
[13:14] <popey> 70 from amazon.de
[13:14] <popey> sam would love that
[13:14] <bigcalm> Want to buy one from the UK? ;)
[13:16] <popey> hah
[13:16] <popey> let me raid his piggy bank ☻
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> is the piggybank made from lego...
[13:17] <Myrtti> oh meh. turns out there's two kinds of XPS 13's
[13:17] <bigcalm> Myrtti: one with a good screen, one with a pish screen?
[13:18] <Myrtti> one with 90W thick barrel power plug, and another with 45W thinner one
[13:18] <Myrtti> I now have a laptop of the latter kind and a power brick of the first kind
[13:18] <bigcalm> Poop
[13:18] <Myrtti> time to do an Amazon return...
[13:19] <Myrtti> on the plus side, I now have two Totoro laptop stickers
[13:20] <Myrtti> just have to pick which one I'll plop on the laptop
[13:22] <bigcalm> I have a Totoro plushie with a missing nostril
[13:22] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BFUVYZE or http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HAA4H6G
[13:22] <popey> not sure I'd put stickers on a dell
[13:22] <popey> maybe one big ubuntu one
[13:22] <zmoylan-pi> to hide the dell logo :-)
[13:22] <popey> ya
[13:22] <popey> i have a big roundel one on my thinkpad
[13:22] <Myrtti> I just like Totoros
[13:22] <popey> oh those stickers are nice
[13:23] <popey> remind me of that cat
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> only sticky thing on my laptop is band aid covering webcam
[13:23] <Myrtti> I use mine...
[13:23] <popey> Pusheen
[13:23] <Myrtti> Totoro > Pusheen
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> it's there if i want it, but definitely not functional when i'm not using it
[13:24] <Myrtti> I do love my new laptop
[13:25] <Myrtti> great piece of kit this is
[13:27] <Myrtti> this is 8th Dell I've used and I've not had too many troubles with any of them
[13:27] <bigcalm> I'm very happy with my dell
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> I considered a Dell once. But then it started singing?
[13:31] <Myrtti> Did anyone happen to have a spare Ubuntu sticker about the size of a Dell logo :-P
[13:33] <Myrtti> I don't mind paying two quid for the stickers but four pounds for posting them is a bit rich for me
[13:33]  * popey looks
[13:35] <popey> seems not
[13:36] <bigcalm> Myrtti: if you have an inkjet printer, you could print out your own Ubuntu logos on http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adhesive-Clear-Sticker-Paper-Sheets/dp/B004BF8X2W
[13:37] <Myrtti> nope, I gave up on inkjet eons ago
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> but i use those to print out images of power sockets and stick them to walls in public spaces... :-)
[13:38] <Myrtti> I'll just order the stickers from the shop.
[13:40] <Myrtti> there, done.
[13:42] <bigcalm> ꗸ
[13:43] <Myrtti> this week seems to be "Myrtti orders everything online" week
[13:44] <popey> ꗸ
[13:44] <popey> \o/
[13:46] <bigcalm> Came across that while trying to find the ubuntu logo
[13:47] <popey> http://launchpad.net/~popey
[13:47] <popey> there's one
[13:47] <popey> 
[13:55] <awilkins> I tend to just hairdryer off all the Intel and Windows stickers on my laptops and leave it at that
[13:56] <Myrtti> I just let mine fall off when they do
[13:57] <Myrtti> but on the lid...
[13:59] <ChunkzZ> anyone lost a £10 note? :p
[14:53] <diddledan> probably old news to some of you - france: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: there's more: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/23528833/___Auto_ontploft_bij_Franse_synagoge___.html
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> (warning: Dutch)
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: but.. so sad :(
[14:57] <intrbiz> the sad power of religious indoctrination
[15:03] <shauno> that's mind-bending - I was in Paris last week
[15:06]  * diddledan resists offensive "bender" comment
[15:06] <awilkins> No! Don't avoid offending! Or the TERRISTS WIN.
[15:07]  * MartijnVdS offends.
[15:09] <intrbiz> offence is taken, not given
[15:10] <DJones> popey: Are you around?
[15:10]  * MartijnVdS takes intrbiz' fence
[15:11] <intrbiz> :)
[15:14] <popey> DJones: ya
[15:15] <DJones> Think I found the answer, somebody was asking about ubuntu mates official status in #u
[15:15] <popey> yeah, "not yet"
[15:15] <DJones> Thats where I'd got to
[15:20] <BigRedS> What's the current blessed XMPP client in Ubuntu? Both Pidgin and Empathy seem broken, which should I try to fix? :)
[15:21] <Azelphur> I like Pidgin? why is it broken?
[15:21] <BigRedS> It's convinced it is unable to validate our XMPP server's certificate
[15:21] <ali12341> pidgin is the default in xubuntu, empathy is the default in unity
[15:21] <Azelphur> strange
[15:21] <ali12341> pidgin works fine for me
[15:22] <BigRedS> yeah, I use it everywhere, but I've got this laptop where Pidgin dislikes SSL *and* cleartext and Empathyu always needs to be reminded to log in
[15:29] <BigRedS> ah, I can export the certs from a working pidgin and import them into the broken one.
[15:29] <daftykins> :D
[15:30] <BigRedS> weird. Maybe newer pidgins don't like our certs enough to automatically deal with it for some reason
[15:31] <daftykins> yay i just registered my costa club card with their website and got the android app working :P
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> woohoo. more coffee! :P
[15:34] <diddledan> caffeine coma!
[15:34] <daftykins> \o/
[15:35] <daftykins> we had two local branches for over 2 years before they got hooked up to the coffee club system
[15:35] <daftykins> i'm running folding@home on my CPU and GPU today to help warm the room quicker :P
[15:35]  * SuperEngineer patents "Caffeine Coma" & opens new chain of rails coffee houses
[15:35] <diddledan> lol
[15:36] <daftykins> diddledan: has your AMD box been locking up more?
[15:36] <diddledan> daftykins, I cleaned the heatsink and it appears to be stable again
[15:37] <diddledan> there was a layer of dust preventing any airflow from the fan actually doing anything useful
[15:37] <daftykins> oh dear!
[15:37] <ChunkzZ> anyone know where I can get an iPad unlocked to all networks in the UK?
[15:37] <diddledan> it's idling about 35C now
[15:37] <diddledan> instead of 70C
[15:38] <diddledan> ChunkzZ, apple.com?
[15:38] <daftykins> \o/
[15:38] <ChunkzZ> :/
[15:38] <daftykins> ChunkzZ: questionable request, that
[15:38] <diddledan> yeah, this isn't #applewhores
[15:38] <diddledan> :-p
[15:38] <ChunkzZ> it's a UK channel, I asked a UK question.
[15:38] <diddledan> sorry, I let the terrorists win
[15:39] <diddledan> referential/memory comedy ftw
[15:40] <Myrtti> tsk.
[15:40] <diddledan> ChunkzZ, this is first and foremost an ubuntu channel
[15:40] <daftykins> *rolleyes*
[15:40] <Myrtti> it's not really that hard to find someone, anyway
[15:40] <Myrtti> a bit of effort is required
[15:40] <diddledan> Myrtti, indeed
[15:41] <diddledan> Myrtti, *open browser. type apple.com. press enter.*
[15:41] <ChunkzZ> diddledan, sigh.
[15:42] <Myrtti> or "go to a shopping mall, bypass the dead sea cosmetics, scarf and dreamcatcher and loft insulation salespeople and go to the bloke fixing broken screens and doing unlockings"
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> ...or open a map to see which town/city you live in. Once found, append "street market" to name... go there
[15:42] <daftykins> ChunkzZ: no, sigh at your attitude bringing that topic onto freenode.
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> fuck sake I only asked a question, didn't know I was being done for murder..............
[15:43] <diddledan> !language
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> &
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> it's a family channel!
[15:43] <popey> Lets start again shall we?
[15:43] <diddledan> yes, lets
[15:43] <ujjain> let's !!
[15:43] <ujjain> start again, start again
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> +1
[15:44] <ali12341> okay
[15:44]  * diddledan cuddles popey the master of all things sane
[15:44] <ujjain> I'm at the office Sundays to Thursdays from 08:00 to 17:00 <  is this proper English?
[15:44] <popey> first we need a big bang i think.
[15:44] <diddledan> popey, this is a family channel! :-p
[15:44] <popey> ujjain: good enough for government work
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> first the earth cooled...
[15:44] <ali12341> ChunkzZ: do you want to buy an already unlocked ipad, or do you want to unlock the one you have?
[15:44] <popey> then the dinosaurs came!
[15:44] <popey> but they got big and fat..
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> i love that movie!! \o/
[15:45] <popey> me too ☻
[15:45] <ujjain> popey hahaha :D
[15:45] <ChunkzZ> ali12341, to buy one that's locked to EE
[15:45] <ChunkzZ> but dm,
[15:45] <ChunkzZ> thanks for your help
[15:45] <diddledan> o_O
[15:45] <Myrtti> "life is"
[15:46] <diddledan> Myrtti, I like chocolates
[15:46] <diddledan> I find chocolates are like life
[15:46] <diddledan> you never know what you gonna get
[15:46] <daftykins> i see #ubuntu-uk 's English classes are still running :>
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> i always read the inlay on box of choccies. i always know what i'm going to get
[15:47] <popey> i just eat them all
[15:47] <diddledan> ^^ +1
[15:47] <popey> there has yet to be a chocolate I don't like
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... well... i do that too... but i still know...
[15:47] <Myrtti> I just buy a box with only one kind in it
[15:47] <daftykins> Myrtti: that's boring :(
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the choccies
[15:47] <Myrtti> no, it's looovely
[15:48] <daftykins> i'm not too fond of orange ones
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> i did get through a tin of emeralds over crimbo...
[15:48] <daftykins> anyone ever tried Chilli chcolate? that's a bit weird
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> more a test of endurance?
[15:48] <popey> I had marmite chocolate
[15:48] <popey> i love marmite
[15:48] <daftykins> D:
[15:48] <popey> marmite chocolate was difficult
[15:48] <diddledan> >.<
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> and guinness made a chocolate that a mate tried last year
[15:48]  * diddledan winces
[15:49] <popey> dont think i finished the bar
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> he didn't like it, but he finished it...
[15:49] <BigRedS> I had garlic chocolate the other day
[15:49] <BigRedS> that was odd
[15:49] <daftykins> doh, my home insurance renewal letter came in today :(
[15:49] <popey> any of you played MinuteQuest on Android?
[15:49] <daftykins> nope
[15:49] <popey> its quite cute
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> "hot chocolate, drinking chocolate" [for those that remember]
[15:50] <daftykins> does it allow progress on a per minute basis, hence the name?
[15:51] <popey> its small
[15:52] <popey> so that meaning of minute ☻
[15:52] <daftykins> d'aww
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> Android: a device famous for shouting "Danger, Will Scarlet, danger!"
[15:52] <diddledan> oooh, minute, not minute
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> ..or was thar Robinson ;)
[15:53] <daftykins> ah, my newt
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> oh the shame, the shame...
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:06]  * Laney waits for the heating to come on
[16:06] <Laney> any minute now ...
[16:06] <diddledan> Laney, I'm chillywilly, too
[16:06] <diddledan> bloomin' seasons
[16:06] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like chillywillie ice pops as a kid
[16:06] <Laney> I bought a Nest over the hols, bloke's coming to put it in tomorrow
[16:06] <Laney> that'll be fun
[16:06] <diddledan> how dare winter. how very dare it.
[16:07] <Laney> being able to turn it on using me phone
[16:07] <diddledan> that sounds awesome!
[16:07] <zmoylan-pi> i can throw my dump nokia at switch on wall to turn on heating already :-)
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> *dumb
[16:13] <Laney> ah
[16:13] <Laney> here we go
[16:13] <Laney> socks off, feet on radiator
[16:14] <daftykins> :>
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> that's bad for your feet
[16:15] <Laney> thanks dad
[16:15]  * SuperEngineer has just checked amount spent via paypal last month...
[16:16] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, that's a bad idea
[16:16] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, it's a common cause of heart attack
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> ...even after deducting the £35 Linux Voice sub - that Steam sale proved "expensive"
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> ..but fun!
[16:16] <diddledan> linux voice ftw
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, +1
[16:18] <diddledan> linux format tends to be about appeasing commercial overlords rather than promoting freedom
[16:19] <diddledan> I think that's even more evident now the team doesn't have the linuxvoice dudes trying to keep it sane
[16:19] <SuperEngineer> and annoyingly - it still appears on racks more than the real magazine
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> my mag racks have format and voice in equal numbers these days
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, your mafia must be better than my mafia
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> ireland is weird for mags as there are only 2 companies that import them.  one has 95% of market and one has 5%
[16:22] <daftykins> heh
[16:22] <daftykins> i don't even know where i'd go to find magazines here, supermarket ones would be very limited
[16:22] <daftykins> probably have to manually request them
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> but they're not proud and if there was demand for 100 trainspotter mags they'd import and flog them
[16:23] <SuperEngineer> England has a similatr arrangement.  You vcan either beg your local stockist or you tell them you're gonna "send the boys" round
[16:23] <diddledan> chrome has an ssh client available in beta now - using nacl - made by googley and available in the chromestore
[16:30] <daftykins> Well this is a new issue on me, the boss' secretary is spending a month in Australia at the moment, so she has a laptop with her work email on there. Creating calendar entries is getting all confused between timezones :D
[16:30] <diddledan> oh joy
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> swap to stardates...
[16:31] <daftykins> :D
[16:31] <diddledan> the world is going to end on june 30th this year - we're getting a leapsecond added
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> so it won't end on time... it'll be a second out?
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> pffft, typical :-)
[16:32] <diddledan> no the leapsecond will cause the end
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> nah it'll just annoy a lot of people in i.t.
[16:33] <diddledan> apparently the US want to disassociate the canonical time from the rotation of the Earth thereby removing the need for leapseconds
[16:33] <intrbiz> hopefully the kernel will tollerate the leapsecond this time around
[16:33] <diddledan> it will however mean that sunrise can't be guaranteed to occur at the correct time
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> apart from the smug dos user as it's times are rounded down to 2 seconds... damn you g.r.r.martin :-)
[16:39] <diddledan> http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/06/twitter-saves-man-having-poo-on-virgin-trains-who-ran-out-of-loo-roll-5011355/
[16:40] <diddledan> I'm widdling myself at that
[16:40] <Laney> better tweet someone for a new pair of pants
[16:41] <ali12341>  /nick widdledan
[16:42]  * zmoylan-pi always has 1-2 small packs of tissues in back pack... just in case
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> no comment
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> ;~)
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> Currently watching "Bad Robots" E4 [E4
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> =1 atm} - soooo true to life & a great laugh
[16:53] <daftykins> it's those times on southwest trains when the huge rounded toilet door opens whilst occupied, oh dear.
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> yup
[16:53] <daftykins> just politely averting your eyes and holding your nose...
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> ..& shouting "Oi! not at the station!"
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> ooo - another good thing about Bad Robots - gparted sneakily finished a partition resize whilst I was watching it - laughter is fun AND good!
[17:04] <Azelphur> I'm really getting fed up with enta.net https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=50736ec0ea25462fcb5e9e5c14ce5920
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur, change?
[17:05] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: funny part is everyone else is worse
[17:05] <diddledan> the eu cookie law is stupid: "Like most websites Channel 4 uses cookies. In order to deliver a personalised, responsive service and to improve the site, we remember and store information about how you use it. This is done using simple text files called cookies which sit on your computer. These cookies are completely safe and secure and will never contain any sensitive information. They are used only by Channel 4 or the trusted partners we
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[17:05] <diddledan> work with."
[17:05] <Azelphur> at least with enta I can bypass the traffic management for test purposes
[17:06] <diddledan> the cookie may be completely safe and secure and never contain sensitive information but that doesn't mean the server isn't collecting sensitive information which it then ties to the cookie
[17:06] <diddledan> the whole eu law seems to think the issue is with cookies themselves storing the bad things
[17:07] <diddledan> Azelphur, your down is slower than your up? that's wonkybackasswards!
[17:07] <Azelphur> diddledan: it's because they are overselling
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> diddledan,  used "only by Channel 4 or the trusted partners" - therein lies the problem, it means who *they* trust, not you
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ...& NSA
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ..&GCHQ
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ... & GOOGLE
[17:08] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, that's the data stored in the cookie they're referring to in that message, not the data they actually collect
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> so?
[17:10] <diddledan> pretty much no website will store your phone number in a cookie, e.g. but that doesn't stop them storing the number at all - the eu cookie law only forces them to tell you they're storing a cookie and thus they have no PII
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> you do know what's stored in a cookie I assume?
[17:11] <mapp> gah
[17:11] <mapp> having no desk sucks
[17:11] <daftykins> buy one! :P
[17:11] <mapp> sit on my bed using my laptop and endup with a dead leg from sitting awkwardly
[17:11] <mapp> no room for it man
[17:11] <mapp> the apartments here are tiny
[17:11] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, usually a cookie contains either a Session ID or some form of proving you're you to create a new session id when the old session id is dead
[17:11] <mapp> i miss having a desk and chair and big tv next to it..sit at the desk wath tv and use my machine
[17:12] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, it does not contain PII
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> [& please let's not get into super cookies, everlasting cookies & of course, the new [nah, not even gonna give it publicuty here]
[17:12] <daftykins> wheel a chair up to your bed then put down a door between the headboard and foot end :D
[17:12] <mapp> heh
[17:12] <mapp> atching horrible bosses 2
[17:12] <mapp> not too bad
[17:13] <diddledan> the PII can be collected at will without informing anyone as long as it's not stored in a cookie (which it invariably isn't)
[17:13] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, I'm sorry, what was that you wanted me to use your to/for?
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> *door to/for
[17:14] <daftykins> that was for mapp to make a desk
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> phew!
[17:14] <daftykins> :D
[17:14] <mapp> ya it sucks not having one..could use table in lounge but feels weird
[17:14] <mapp> prefer to stay in room
[17:14] <mapp> :)
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> "Red Star OS, the open source operating system from North Korea" - some phrases really do contradict themselves!
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> whoooops! politics
[17:20]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist
[17:21] <diddledan> http://grahamcluley.com/2015/01/sony-hack-attribution-generator/
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> the firewall is exceptional and it features a spectacular dmz
[17:22] <diddledan> I love how consumer routers call "forward everything to this computer: X.Y.Z.A" a "dmz"
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> gotta use military terms to sound secure
[17:23] <mapp> well isnt that basically what dmz is?
[17:23] <mapp> and red star os lol
[17:23] <diddledan> no
[17:24] <diddledan> a dmz is a separate subnet
[17:24] <diddledan> usually with its' own firewall
[17:24] <diddledan> and a firewall between the dmz and lan
[17:25] <daftykins> it's just easier to call a single forwarded IP the 'DMZ' rather than "the thing that's kinda like a DMZ but without a separate network segment"
[17:26] <mapp> aha
[17:26] <mapp> didnt know it was a seperate subnet
[17:26] <mapp> used to the consumer router term as you mentioned above;p
[17:27] <diddledan> in networking tho a dmz is a specific thing so it makes people who understand that it's not a dmz at all wonder about the manufacturer's networking credibility, and convinces people who don't understand the concept that they're secure
[17:28] <intrbiz> dmz's are not really the best approach these days
[17:28] <mapp> what would be better
[17:28] <intrbiz> better to fine grain separate services and control access
[17:29] <intrbiz> rather than sticking all external facing servers together with uncontrolled access between each
[17:29] <diddledan> dmzs are a good idea IMO if you're putting public services and you have a set of hosts that you don't want to be public - the public can get pwnd as much as a hacker likes but it won't expose your private network
[17:30] <diddledan> intrbiz, I'd do that in addition to dmz
[17:30] <diddledan> not instead
[17:30] <mapp> but diddledan  surely dmz means all ports accessible ..why would you do this over forward specific ports
[17:31] <diddledan> no, dmz has no concept of what ports are accessible
[17:31] <intrbiz> diddledan: why not segment your public facing hosts too?
[17:31] <diddledan> dmz is a segmentation technique not an access control technique
[17:32] <intrbiz> what is harmful is when people think just about a dmz rather than segmenting service areas
[17:33] <diddledan> intrbiz, yes, it's PART of the overall solution, not the solution itself
[17:33] <intrbiz> nothing wrong with having multiple 'dmz's
[17:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: you alive?
[17:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: I am
[17:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: guessing you're too busy again for the LUG tonight?
[17:34] <diddledan> anywho, I'm heading out for a bit.. ttfn
[17:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I'm going
[17:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you going to LUG tonight?
[17:35] <bigcalm> intrbiz: aye, changed my mind and felt the need to get out of the house
[17:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: doh, so you are. Don't know why I didn't think you weren't
[17:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: don't mind me, carry on
[17:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: okay
[17:36]  * bigcalm throws lego bricks at davmor2
[17:37] <bigcalm> Bring your phone, I wanna play!
[17:37]  * davmor2 builds a hammer and hit bigcalm with it till it breaks
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> Odd, but the "DMZee" [demilitarised zone] could better implemented via an NML [no man's land]
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> [just a thought]
[17:41] <Azelphur> Does anyone know the deal with Ofcom and minimum bandwidth speeds is?
[17:42] <daftykins> i bet it's way lower than what you've got
[17:42] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4035074821 on 70mbit fiber
[17:43] <daftykins> numbers would've been easier :(
[17:43] <Azelphur> lol
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> While you all whinge about sppeds - please remember - I'm "forced" to put up with a download speed max of 250MB [yupp, Mb]
[17:47] <daftykins> err
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> - I would complain to the person I'm "borrowing the connection from.. but ya know, don't wanna cUSE FRICTION ;)
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> *cause
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> :D
[17:48] <daftykins> what's the best download speed you've seen real world?
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> me?
[17:48] <Azelphur> 250mbit is 250x as fast as what I'm getting? XD
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur, that's ridiculous! are you "borrowing" as well
[17:49] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: nope, I'm paying for 70mbit
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> time to thow custard at your supplier
[17:50] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:52] <awilkins> And I thought 22/60 Mbit/s was a custard throwing offence....
[17:52] <awilkins> I might click the button that upgrades me to 100Mbit/s and see if it actually does anything
[17:52] <awilkins> 22/100 sounds much worse
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> especially as an exam result - it's called a fail - why not remind them of that
[17:54] <daftykins> :D
[18:02] <daftykins> diddledan: i hope your lights are on
[18:04] <awilkins> WEll.. so, at least my upload will double
[18:04] <awilkins> That will be useful in itself
[18:04] <awilkins> And my "throttled" speed will basically be what my normal speed is now
[18:05] <awilkins> So huzaah
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> me go eat - bfn
[18:16] <daftykins> o/
[20:42] <diddledan> and back
[21:03] <mapp> hewwo
[21:03] <mapp> what film to wathc tonight
[21:03] <mapp> hms
[21:03] <mapp> thinking before i go to sleep or american sniper
[22:06]  * diddledan watching silent witless
[22:25] <daftykins> mmm first tin of baked beans in a long time, so good :D
[22:25] <diddledan> beans are awesome
[22:27] <popey> mmmmmm beanz
[22:27] <popey> especially with sriracha
[22:28] <awilkins_> Sriracha rescues many foods
[22:28] <awilkins_> DO make my own baked beans from time to time though
[23:06] <popey> dont think I've ever done that
[23:15] <m0nkey_> Today I saw OpenSCO Server in the wild!
[23:15] <diddledan> really?
[23:15] <diddledan> wow
[23:15] <m0nkey_> Yeah
[23:15] <diddledan> was it maintained?
[23:15] <diddledan> (do SCO still exist, even?)
[23:15] <m0nkey_> The guy was using it as his desktop!
[23:16] <diddledan> looks like they've changed their name: http://www.xinuos.com/
[23:16] <m0nkey_> Its an old machine. Mid 90s I guess.
[23:16] <popey> golly
[23:16] <diddledan> a desktop sco?!
[23:16] <diddledan> wow that really is obscure
[23:17] <m0nkey_> Server edition on an old desktop. With the hard drive making that annoying metallic buzzing sound.
[23:17] <diddledan> eep
[23:23] <m0nkey_> Food time.


[00:18] <Pici> mhall119: go for it.
[00:19] <mhall119> oh, not what I expected, but ok
[00:19] <paultag> cute :)
[00:19] <mhall119> done
[00:21]  * mhall119 should have kickbanned paultag while I had superops powers
[00:22] <operator89> guten morgen @ all
[00:23] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[00:24] <operator89> noch jmd wwach?
[00:25] <paultag> operator89: ich kann nur ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen :)
[00:25] <paultag> operator89: was geht? :)
[00:25] <operator89> aso ookay......ned viel bei dir?
[00:25] <paultag> operator89: tja, nichts :)
[00:26] <operator89> aaso ookay.......aber du ich geh ma off.....man schreibt sich bestimmt wieder....bb und gn8
[00:26] <paultag> operator89: n8 :)
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <huats> morning
[08:21] <dholbach> salut huats
[08:22] <huats> salut dholbach !
[08:31] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:39] <trinikrono> Goodmornings Ubuntu LoCo Teams
[14:45] <AlanBell> is anyone jamming on packaging and Unity lenses?
[15:18] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/839635
[15:18] <czajkowski> mhall119: cjohnston ^^^
[15:18] <czajkowski> jamming :)
[15:20] <mhall119> czajkowski: you can add it eithour either
[15:21] <mhall119> we can probably make the LC a Team record, but then it'll show up in like the teams list
[15:22] <czajkowski> hmm what ever you think
[15:22] <czajkowski> it is a team on LP
[15:22] <czajkowski> so I just assumed it would pull in that info as well
[15:22] <mhall119> it's a Django group in LD, but not a "Team"
[15:22] <czajkowski> that way it'll pull in our logo for our flag as well
[15:22] <mhall119> loco teams have a mapping between the Django group record and the Team record
[15:23] <czajkowski> ah gotcha
[15:23] <mhall119> czajkowski: it'll also let you schedule events and meetings
[15:23] <mhall119> and anything else a loco team can do in LD
[15:23] <czajkowski> which could be handy to put our meeting info on there as well
[15:24] <mhall119> want to give it a try?
[15:26] <czajkowski> will do tomorrow
[15:26] <mhall119> hmmm, Team has to have a country
[15:26] <czajkowski> atm need to put away the grocery shopping and get ready for going out to go see http://j.mp/rmsGew
[15:27] <mhall119> ok, making lococouncil a Team isn't going to work real well as-is
[15:27] <paultag> hehehe
[15:27] <paultag> http://j.mp/[rms Gew] - RMS Goo
[15:28] <paultag> czajkowski: we could declare that our blog belogs to a loco that's netural ground - let's say Ohio
[15:28] <czajkowski> paultag: lets say no shall we
[15:28] <czajkowski> :)
[15:28] <paultag> :)
[15:32] <akgraner> Hey all a new version of Checkbox has been uploaded to oneiric so if your jamming and have a change take a look at the systems testings client/app and give the Ubuntu Friendly squad some feedback :-)  thanks!
[15:32] <akgraner> s/change/chance
[15:35] <czajkowski> paultag: the etherpad I was working on before I went away is what I am going to finish tomorrow
[15:35] <czajkowski> then get the lovely LD Devs to create a page on the LD for
[15:37] <paultag> czajkowski: cools
[15:37] <czajkowski> so if you have any thoughts before then
[15:37] <czajkowski> add em to the pad
[15:37] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm at work, I can't do that shaz, but when I looked at it last it was fine
[15:38] <czajkowski> grand
[19:47] <bkerensa> Oregon is gonna do it big at our jam tomorrow.... In fact I better get some jam to give away :D