[00:28] <Takyoji> I'm ecstatic that the Ubuntu Marketing mailing list is actually active and collaboratively discussing
[00:29] <Takyoji> Hah; if we had 2 more people, we'd have more people than those on the Ubuntu Marketing IRC channel
[00:31] <Takyoji> There should be more commoners to the channel
[00:31] <Takyoji> (of the marketing channel)
[00:32] <Takyoji> It seems that people get enthusiastic, and start something, and work hard, while nobody else is really responsive or caring about the work, then the enthusiastic individual gives up and doesn't put forth any more effort.
[00:32] <Takyoji> i.e. Spread Ubuntu
[00:35] <Takyoji> The person that started the Spread Ubuntu website tried to help create an active community for developing marketing materials, and started initiatives and goals, and nobody really was active, and the Canonical folk in charge of the ubuntu-marketing.org (which points to nothing) didn't care to ever point the domain to the Spread Ubuntu website. Thus due to the lack of activity, the person that started Spread Ubuntu has pretty m
[00:35] <Takyoji> uch given up working on it
[00:37] <Takyoji> We should try getting members of the Minnesota Ubuntu LoCo also active in the Ubuntu Marketing group; it just needs a little love...
[00:39] <Takyoji> or other dying groups
[00:52]  * Takyoji continues preaching a sermon that nobody cares about. :P
[00:57] <mr_steve> Hmm.. I like what you're saying; marketing is just one of those things that it's hard to get people excited about
[00:57] <Takyoji> I'd love to work on marketing materials for example; but if I ever ask for critique or ideas, I'll never get an answer
[00:57] <Takyoji> Everytime
[00:58] <Takyoji> (at least on the IRC channel of Ubuntu marketing)
[00:58] <Takyoji> Anyone artistic, statistical, or literate can contribute, or even write materials on how to contribute
[00:59] <mr_steve> Yeah, it's always tricky getting responses on anything in a timely fashion.
[01:00] <mr_steve> I treat the #ubuntu-motu channel almost like email now, I ask a question, and check my hilights window every few hours for a reply
[01:01] <Takyoji> As with anything, I would love to actively collaborate with others in realtime, but it typically seems everyone just prefers doing their own little thing quietly
[01:02] <mr_steve> that does seem to be the case, generally
[01:03] <Takyoji> I think more could be done, and more effectively, if people would discuss and work together more
[01:04] <Takyoji> more could be accomplished*
[02:33] <mr_steve> hmm, the Awseome window manager seems kind of... awesome
[02:33] <Takyoji> heh
[02:34] <Takyoji> Looks interesting
[02:34] <mr_steve> I love the picture on their website of the workstation with like 7 displays
[02:34] <mr_steve> I want it
[02:34] <Takyoji> heheheh
[02:35] <Takyoji> I'd love it too.  :P
[02:40] <Obsidian1723> better to have an IPS actually as primary, IDS as merely logging.
[02:41] <Takyoji> I had a timer running on my desktop (the GNOME panel applet), and noticed when the pizza's ready. And my friend thought I had my oven rigged to detect when the pizza was done or something. xP
[02:41] <Takyoji> Well yea
[02:41] <Takyoji> I'd also love to have something to display activity and usage on any server I assist with in realtime
[02:42] <Takyoji> Such as MySQL requests, CPU usage, RAM, etc
[02:42] <Takyoji> HTTP requests, connected IPs, etc
[02:42] <Takyoji> I would absolutely love such a solution
[02:44] <Takyoji> I love this as well: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/quake_24_screens.jpg
[02:44] <mr_steve> I like to have a terminal up showing my logs, preferably colorized
[02:44] <Takyoji> of course that might be a little excessive though. :P
[02:44] <mr_steve> It's usually just information overload, but if I notice that something's acting screwy I can just glance over and see if something's breaking
[02:46] <mr_steve> hm, I think awesome is going to be my window manager from here on out, but it sure has a learning curve
[02:46] <Takyoji> I know I could probably do such with SSH; but I'm a freak that I wouldn't want to have a direct connection to the root account or anything of the server; I'd like something that would just tell me statistics, and that if it were ever "broken into" that all a person could do is get statistics rather than run anything on the system
[02:46] <Takyoji> (if that makes sense)
[02:47] <Takyoji> Something that would be completely rid of system privileges, but able to get statistics/information.
[02:47] <mr_steve> Takyoji, for the SSH issue, you could just have all your machines set up for remote syslogging to one box
[02:47] <Takyoji> A possibility
[02:48] <Takyoji> Or I'll just write my own PHP page and client
[02:48] <mr_steve> And then you'd really just need some kind of pattern-matching script to count certain patterns occuring the logs. I'm sure something halfway decent already exists
[02:48] <mr_steve> I use zabbix for a 1000-yard overview of my network
[02:48] <Takyoji> I just can't sleep at night with the thought of something not being persistent. Just re-requesting for new information on an interval
[02:49] <Takyoji> Well, I guess it could work on a server-push basis, although it's hard to set the up server-side for the script to wait for input and maintain a persistent connection
[02:50] <Takyoji> I'm a person that can't sleep at night when something is working inefficiently
[02:50] <Takyoji> (just a hyperbole though)
[02:52] <Takyoji> Polling over HTTP is one of the things that I consider inefficient.
[02:53] <Takyoji> i.e. a web-based IRC client that reloads every second to see if there's any new IRC messages
[02:55] <Obsidian1723> Why not just set all machines to use /var on one PC, make that the logging server, get stats from there?
[02:55] <Takyoji> otherwise I'm talking about separate web servers.
[02:57] <mr_steve> uh-oh. I think something bad has happened on my machine
[02:57] <Takyoji> I don't run a datacenter/server farm at all
[02:57]  * Takyoji stops playing with mr_steve's SVGA cable
[02:57] <mr_steve> heheh
[02:57] <mr_steve> d????????? ? ?     ?         ?                ? awesome
[02:58] <mr_steve> That's what ls -l tells me in my ~/.config dir
[02:58] <Takyoji> heh
[02:58] <mr_steve> I don't think that's a happy thing
[02:58] <Takyoji> Question marks, or non-UTF characters?
[02:58] <mr_steve> question marks
[02:58] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:59] <mr_steve> I made it with mkdir, now I can't cd into it, can't rm it
[02:59] <Obsidian1723> sudo nautiluscan you delete it via that?
[02:59] <Obsidian1723> sudo nautilus can you delete it via that?
[02:59] <Takyoji> (Did you know you can make certain folders on Windows in command line that you can't normally create or delete?)
[03:00] <Obsidian1723> attrib
[03:00] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[03:00] <Obsidian1723> You cna do that in Linux too.
[03:00] <mr_steve> can't rm it as root either, no error, it just doesn't go away
[03:00] <Takyoji> There's certain reserved names in Linux as well?
[03:00] <Obsidian1723> rm -rf name*
[03:01] <mr_steve> no dice
[03:01] <Obsidian1723> If it's Fluffy Bunny as the dir or file, cd to where it is, rm -rf fluff*
[03:01] <Obsidian1723> capital F
[03:01] <Obsidian1723> chmod 777 it, chown as root then rm -rf name*
[03:02] <mr_steve> can't chmod it, no such file or directory
[03:02] <Obsidian1723> what is the name of it?
[03:02] <mr_steve> awesome
[03:02] <Obsidian1723> no non-standard characters?
[03:03] <mr_steve> nope, all I did was mkdir /home/steve/.config/awesome
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> so it's a hidden director
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> can you cd to it as root ?
[03:03] <mr_steve> hmm, I haven't tried that yet. standby...
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> sudo cd /home/steve/.config/
[03:04] <Obsidian1723> If sudo doesn't work, then su root and do cd to it.
[03:04] <mr_steve> nope, can't cd into it from a root shell, no such file or directory
[03:04] <mr_steve> I think a fsck is in my near to immediate future
[03:04] <Obsidian1723> I had a folder that wouldnt delete, so I su'd to root, then sudo cd'd to the folder.
[03:04] <Obsidian1723> what distro ya using?
[03:05] <mr_steve> Ubuntu, Lucid.  This is why I have backups. Hopefully a fsck will take care of it though.
[03:06] <Obsidian1723> Well, remastersys is good for imaging.
[03:06] <mr_steve> And then I have a bug report to file. FS bugs = A Bad Thing
[03:07] <Obsidian1723> Yeah, avoid the .10 releasese like 8.10 and 9.10 and while 9.04 is ok, best to stick to LTS, at least on production machines. If this is just a testing box, its a different story.
[03:07] <Obsidian1723> I'm on 8.04.4LTS and I refuse to upgrade until 10.04.1LTS
[03:07] <Obsidian1723> much more stable that way...
[03:10] <mr_steve> okay, so I ran ls again, and now it's a proper directory entry. Really weird.
[03:18] <Takyoji> Then it's just how it was read, rather than how it was saved.
[04:02] <Takyoji> If only I could find a font that's a terminal-like font.
[04:02] <Takyoji> Courier New doesn't fit my desires
[04:03] <Takyoji> I wouldn't mind if it even looked like it was printed by a dot-matrix printer
[04:20] <Takyoji> Well I guess I just noticed a general issue with Ubuntu
[04:20] <Takyoji> The large font theme is too large
[04:20] <Takyoji> and nearly impossible to click the System menu to get to the preferences to change it back easily
[04:20] <Takyoji> my mother just ran into that issue
[04:22] <Takyoji> anyone have alternate suggestions?
[04:22] <Takyoji> (I was however able to revert it)
[04:30] <Takyoji> Gah, too bad that I can't bolden specific words in a text block in The GIMP..
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> sure you can - you just highlight them
[14:14] <mr_steve> hmm. My fileserver made some omninous clicking noises, and seems to have done an emergency remount-ro on root
[14:16] <mr_steve> not my preferred way to start the day
[15:24] <mr_steve> grr
[17:20] <Takyoji> Snow day.
[17:21] <mr_steve> not for me :(
[17:21] <Takyoji> Aww
[17:26] <mr_steve> the math class right before mine is cancelled, but mine isn't
[17:26] <Takyoji> ahh
[17:27] <mr_steve> too bad, since it seems I need to rebuild my file/web server today
[17:28] <mr_steve> the hard drive holding the root LV decided to self-destruct this morning
[17:28] <Takyoji> Oh fun
[17:30] <Takyoji> I'm working on a web design right now
[17:39] <Takyoji> I've been constantly tweaking it
[17:39] <Takyoji> Trying to reach perfection
[17:40] <mr_steve> that's something I've never been very good at. I stoped writing web pages before the rise of CSS
[18:05] <Takyoji> I should probably be taking notes from the Ubuntu Marketing mailing list; various individuals are pointing out good details in terms of promotion/advertisement
[18:11] <h00k> halp, I'm debating upgrading my netbook to Lucid
[18:45] <exigraff> h00k: may want to keep one stable machine around
[18:45] <exigraff> h00k: just sayin
[18:45] <h00k> I know, I know...
[18:45] <h00k> but...
[18:55] <Takyoji> I'd rather dual-boot Lucid rather than just Lucid installed alone
[19:03] <h00k> I had it dual-booting but got rid of lucid on the other partition on my laptop and upgraded karmic to lucid
[19:03] <h00k> and now I want to try it on my netbook
[19:26] <Takyoji> Experienced any issues/bugs yet with Lucid?
[19:30] <h00k> I had one related to cron
[19:31] <h00k> er, cron died and I reported it
[19:32] <Takyoji> ahh
[19:33] <h00k> I had GDM act silly and freeze up, too
[19:38] <Takyoji> Ever time I boot into Lucid, GDM restarts after a couple seconds, then I try again, then I can login
[19:39] <Takyoji> Every*
[19:40] <Takyoji> And before it crashes/reopens, it has minor graphical issues on the top, with a few pixels flickering
[19:46] <Takyoji> Anyone planning an installfest?
[19:46] <Takyoji> You know you all want to..
[19:53] <h00k> We might have one in Wisconsin, yeah.
[19:53] <Takyoji> Woo
[21:11] <Takyoji> Just for the sheer curiosity; has anyone packaged RPMs at all?
[21:31] <rlaager> Takyoji: I've done plenty.
[21:39] <Takyoji> Anything substantially different of it from creating deb packages?
[21:45] <Takyoji> So. How terrible is my work? http://mnopensource.org :P
[21:45] <Takyoji> Just a little thing I'm working on
[21:59] <Takyoji> currently just a static page
[22:03] <mr_steve> Takyoji, i like it :)
[22:03] <mr_steve> Simple, clean, and the GPL in the background of the header is a nice touch
[22:03] <Takyoji> I was trying to think what would be most emblematic of FOSS, thus the GPL came to mind
[22:04] <Takyoji> I'm making it into a Wordpress theme right now
[22:10] <rlaager> Takyoji: It's not vastly different from debs. The biggest thing about an RPM is that it's all in one file. You denote sections of it instead of having separate files. Also, it's just generally not as nice as making debs (with debhelper at least).
[22:10] <mr_steve> Themeing wordpress is something I gotta look into. First I gotta rebuild my webserver and recover from backups tho...
[22:10]  * mr_steve grumbles
[23:07] <Takyoji> Woo!
[23:07] <Takyoji> Got my Linux Journal magazine
[23:14]  * Obsidian1723 just had a guy ask ne in email to help him with an CMS install on a Linux box (via a web no less), but like I told him, I don't work for free either. Some people... I tell ya.
[23:16] <tonyyarusso> silly Obsidian1723, you should have replied with a quote
[23:17] <Obsidian1723> heh
[23:18] <Obsidian1723> He needed to do it so HE could get paide. What am I? Chopped liver? I have certs, including a Linux one, but I also have 32+ years experience.
[23:18] <Obsidian1723> yeah, I should have told him @200/hr or RTFM.
[23:20] <Takyoji> Oh, I see
[23:24] <Takyoji> I would die to have a rack of servers; I would worship it every night. xP
[23:25] <Takyoji_> Laptop froze
[23:25] <Takyoji_> The only thing responsive was the cursor
[23:28] <Takyoji_> Was my last geeky message received?
[23:32] <Obsidian1723> heh I have some old Cisco stuff....
[23:32] <Obsidian1723> 2507 router and 1923 24-port Layer 2 switch./
[23:33] <Takyoji_> I just have standard desktops to work with. I have nothing that's considerably enterprise-level equipment
[23:34] <kermit> if the cursor was responsive, that was just x-windows or your window manager freezing
[23:34] <kermit> Takyoji_:
[23:35] <Takyoji_> Next time it occurs I'll attempt Ctrl+Alt+Backspace then
[23:35] <kermit> i heard somewhere that was disabled in ubuntu
[23:35] <kermit> but i havent tested
[23:35] <Takyoji_> Although that key combination has been changed
[23:35] <Takyoji_> I haven't had any success with the magic SysRq key yet at all
[23:36] <kermit> that doesnt work in X
[23:36] <kermit> really the only way to deal with X is to kill it with ssh from another machine
[23:37] <Obsidian1723> Tak, I'm looking to upgrade so this still is only 10MBPS, I need 100MBPS... if I can replace it, you can have the other stuff.
[23:39] <Takyoji_> Ooo
[23:44] <Obsidian1723> I want a Cisco Cataylst 2900
[23:47]  * tonyyarusso guesses you mean Mbps
[23:48] <Obsidian1723> Mo
[23:48] <Obsidian1723> Mb = Megabytes MB = Megabits
[23:49] <tonyyarusso> Other way around Obsidian1723
[23:49] <kermit> what tonyyarusso said
[23:50] <Obsidian1723> brain fried, yeah.. I mean Mb
[23:50] <Obsidian1723> Is it Monday?
[23:52] <Takyoji_> Didn't you get the memo? It's Friday.
[23:52] <Obsidian1723> nooooooooooooooooo
[23:52] <Takyoji_> (actually not, obviously)
[23:52] <Obsidian1723> parrrrrrrrrrrrrr tay!!
[23:52] <Obsidian1723> yah I know.
[23:53]  * Takyoji_ plots world domination


[16:42] <kc2bez> I don't see kgii in the channel but for the record...
[16:42] <kc2bez> Congratulations to kgiii for becoming an official member of the Lubuntu project!
[16:42] <kc2bez> Sorry for the delay on things.
[16:43] <kc2bez> @teward001 I will need you to add kgii to the ACL for #lubuntu-members please.
[18:30] <kc2bez> FYI the release cycle chart has been updated on https://lubuntu.me/downloads
[18:31] <kc2bez> Default settings and calamares settings have been updated for jammy too.


[10:59] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[17:06] <swift110> hey
[17:08] <jthan> morning


[18:32] <zurn> Hi, the other day it was recommended to me to upgrade my Ubuntu Studio 18.04 to the new 20.04 to resolve some pulse->jack bridge issues I've been having...just noticing that it says not to do so until 20.04.01 comes out in July - is there a risk of doing the upgrade now?
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> zurn: Just like with any free operating system, everything is at your own risk. You can either wait until 20.04.1 or you can run "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" in a terminal or alt-F2, "update-manager -d" now to upgrade if you wish.  Cleared up some other isseues already ( screen tearing and inactive Elantech touchpad buttons). But it has this other annoying bug I can't seem to get to the bottom of yet, after inactivity whenever it goes into some other state ( not sure if lock/sleep/whatever), the screen remaqins the same, there ins no screensaver or lock screen,e tc but then there is only cursor
[21:19] <genii> movement and hovering/clicking/ etc go totally dead. The only current solution is ctrl-alt-f1 and restarting lightdm. Machine is an ASUS X555DA with AMD A10-8700 and Carrizo GPU, Latest HWE kernel and amdgpu installed
[21:19] <PLC> hi' there :)
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> genii: I'd check with #xubuntu on that, there's nothing that we have configured in regards to the screensaver that they didn't configure.
[21:21] <genii> Eickmeyer: I asked around because of the XFCE comman backend, but no good leads yet. light-locker is not installed, etc
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> genii: Right, xfce4-screensaver replaced light-locker in 19.04 and later.
[21:22] <genii> I have all the things I can possibly turn off as far as DPMS, powersaving, etc
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> genii: Could also be completely hardware related, i.e. no two ACPI interfaces are exactly alike.
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> genii: Could also be the video driver.
[21:24] <genii> ..I am starting to lean in that direction, some wonky AMD ACPI implementaion maybe
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> That's very possible. I had that problem with my AMD machine in 19.04 and had to disable the power manager when every other DE worked fine.
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> No issues with 20.04 however.
[21:25] <genii> Eickmeyer: I upgraded the driver to latest PPA, disabled compistiing, made sure DRI3 and GLX/Mesa are running fine, etc
[21:25] <genii> *compositing
[21:26] <genii> ...Yeh, Kubuntu Focal and Groovy both ran fine off liveUSB
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that means nothing if it's a funky ACPI. There *might* be a kernel parameter that needs to be added to the command line in grub, but I don't remember off the top of my head what that might be.
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> acpi_osi=linux or something like that.
[21:26] <genii> Hm, OK. Guess I'll just keep poking at it with a stick
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> genii: That's what I would do. Sorry I couldn't have been better assistance. There are several reasons why we're moving to KDE Plasma with 20.10, and funky power management issues are one of them.
[21:31]  * genii goes back to the stick-pokings
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> Hehe, good luck, genii
[21:32] <genii> Thanks :) I'll kepp you posted if something works
[21:33] <OvenWerks> genii: given that other DEs work for you, have you thought of installing Studio on top of one of those DEs with ubuntustudio-installer?
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[21:36] <genii> OvenWerks: He's used to the regular version so I don't want to have to coach him through some new interface... plus I'd rather actually get to the bottom of the real issue and solve it
[21:38] <OvenWerks> ok
[23:57] <genii> Got it
[23:58] <genii> ..turns out to be a combination of:  acpi_osi=1 acpi_osi='Windows 2010' tsc=unstable clocksource=hpet
[23:58] <genii> ..for future reference


[02:13] <linux_> que hago para solucionar error de ssl
[02:40] <loserlaptop> hi
[02:40] <loserlaptop> anyone here ?
[02:40] <loserlaptop> :(
[08:00] <mate|75519> hola
[11:01] <stevenm> can anyone else confirm they're seeing the same bug as me with MATE Search Tool?
[11:02] <stevenm> try opening it... set 'Look in folder:' to simply 'File System' and search for 'ubuntu-mate' but under 'Select more options' add in 'Name does not contain:' and type in 'png'
[11:02] <stevenm> you might find (as I have) that although you'd get an instant (or near instant) set of results for 'ubuntu-mate' (as in theory your updatedb is up to date) ... but if you then say to exclude those that mention 'png' in the filename - the search just hangs
[11:03] <stevenm> i'm not sure why it isn't just doing the same search and just exclude the png ones from being displayed in the results
[13:53] <TwoNotes> Since putting a new HDMI display on my RPi, I am getting Ubuntu bug #1574841 on login.  Which has been marked invalid.  What do I do now?
[14:15] <steven__> qwq
[14:15] <steven__> hello
[14:15] <steven__> ?
[14:16] <TwoNotes> I added a comment to the report
[14:18] <steven__> 有中国的吗。。。。。
[14:22] <ali_> hi
[14:23] <DarkPsydeLord> ho
[14:24] <steven__> 有中国的朋友吗
[14:31] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont understant kanji :(
[14:31] <DarkPsydeLord> just phonetics
[16:04] <robot> jose luis
[16:06] <robot> ola encantado de chatear con vos
[16:09] <robot>  os espero a cualkiera solo chicas y chicos os espero a todos
[16:12] <DarkPsydeLord> english pls
[16:26] <Guest82681> hablo español y tu
[16:31] <Guest82681> ubunto mate hola
[16:32] <Guest82681> gracias en castellando
[16:36] <robot__> no comprendo inguis
[16:52] <DarkPsydeLord> chicos lamento cortarles la charla pero en este canal el idioma oficial es el ingles... las charlas en espanol estan en #ubuntu-es
[16:53] <DarkPsydeLord> alguna gente se ofende con facilidad con charlas en idiomas extrangeros en un canal global
[22:07] <Guest65208> clear
[22:07] <Guest65208> shiet waddup


[01:34] <handsome_feng> ItzSwirlz: You should drag the 'English (United States)" to the top and click "apply to the whole system"
 Thanks .... Hope to be of help ... (re @philipz: welcome @Aleskrv Rafael Jesús @Yosoyoswi)
 @Yosoyoswi which flavor are you testing and do you need any help?
 At the moment I am testing Lubuntu 20.04 and so far I have seen no major problem.  just an applidogion that I use that seems not to be in the repositories but the matter is not serious. (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi which flavor are you testing and do you need any help?)
 are you running in a VM or from USB? are you reporting the results of the testcases?
 Thanks  for helping to test, what is the applidogion?  (some python2 and Qt4 apps are no longer available due to EOL of those tools, unless they were ported to python3/Qt5 where most were) (re @Yosoyoswi: At the moment I am testing Lubuntu 20.04 and so far I have seen no major problem.  just an applidogion that I use that seems not to be in the repositories but the matter is not ser
[04:47] <valorie> what is "applidogion"?
[04:47] <valorie> this is the only channel I've ever seen that word
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> Nasty typos are natsty.
[04:47] <valorie> google shows me only "application"
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, he fixed it in Telegram.
[04:47] <guiverc> valorie, I typed application as did Yogoyoswi (why i answered on telegram where it reads as application), but yes it's wrong on my liferea too
[04:47] <valorie> Eickmeyer: seems deliberate
[04:47] <guiverc> s/liferea/hexchat
[04:48] <valorie> seen it over and over
[04:49] <housecat> !
[04:49] <housecat> application -> applidogion
[04:49] <housecat> i suspect the bot author is having a laugh
 Something something applidogion
[04:50] <Eickmeyer> YES! It did misspellit!
[04:50] <housecat> what about if you say something like "category"?
[04:50] <Eickmeyer> Bot author is a bot. :')
[04:50] <guiverc> housecat, what you typed appears twice as applidogion on telegram
[04:50] <housecat> oh fun, so it's bi-directional
[04:51]  * Eickmeyer blames @popeydc
[04:51] <guiverc> LOL
[04:51] <Eickmeyer> #BlamePopey
[04:51] <valorie> this is a most strange TG<>IRC bot
[04:51] <Eickmeyer> It's popey's bot!
[04:51]  * guiverc wonders if we'll get help from popey again :)
[04:52] <valorie> the double-echoing has slowed down
[04:52] <housecat> wow, been a while since i've seen "blame popey"
[04:52] <valorie> thank goodness
[04:53] <Eickmeyer> "blame popey" seemed apt in this instance.
 welcome @levisraju
 I installed it on a partition of my hard drive.  I wanted to do a test using it daily.  I've watched some movies using VLC and played with Gameboy Advance emulators.  at the moment I have only noticed slight lag in the reproduction of videos in the VLC of the rest, for now, everything in order.  I will continue testing. (re @philipz: are you running in a VM or from USB? are you re
 @Yosoyoswi happy hunting
 the applidogion is GTK-recordmydesktop.  I have the recordmydesktop GUI.  The applidogion is installed without the graphical interface and can be used without problems through commands in the terminal.  But even though I have gotten different files with the intention of installing the GUI I was not successful.  so I gave up and just used the commands.  although it seems strange to
[05:27] <valorie> gosh
 @philipz 👍
 I usually use virtual box to try new versions of another os and not on my main
 But I do have another laptop which has Linux and windows
 Wait a minute why is my Linux partition also efi this is not Uefi laptop

 Forgot to mention that it has a failing hard drive:
[05:43] <valorie> oh gosh
[05:43] <valorie> those are inexpensive
[05:43] <valorie> to replace
[05:43] <valorie> even SSDs now
 Ik
 But everything is closed and I can’t buy an ssd I could put the hdd from my external hdd in it
 That thing is a seagate rosewood but it still works
 Seagate rosewood were also failing a lot
 Sorry I've never had need to use it so have no experience with it. However https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/gtk-recordmydesktop shows it used python2 so fit the dogegory of dropped unless ported to python3 (re @Yosoyoswi: the applidogion is GTK-recordmydesktop.  I have the recordmydesktop GUI.  The applidogion is installed without the graphical interface and can be used without prob
 Well that sucks:
 Shaders?
 Just vanilla minecraft with optifine
 Minecraft is actually playable on this
 It’s also my first laptop for it 7 years
 Almost 2.5 years ago replaced with this:
 I like how my music cuts off and theres a bunch of OpenGL errors:
[05:52] <valorie> dogegory?
 Lol
[05:52] <valorie> is this something with the doge meme?
 I don’t have doge memes
[05:53] <valorie> and again with the applidogion
[05:53] <valorie> sheesh
 I don’t even like most of them
 I like weird memes
 I suppose that will not happen since the last update (according to the official page of the project) was in 2009 so surely the graphical interface will no longer be able to be used in this version of Ubuntu ... 🤷 (re @guiverc: Sorry I've never had need to use it so have no experience with it. However https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/gtk-recordmydesktop shows it used python2 so
 @Yosoyoswi this looks like a bug to me if gtk-recordmydesktop is in conflicts with recordmydesktop:
[05:54] <housecat> valorie: now i wonder whether i show up as housedog
[05:55] <valorie> lol
[05:55]  * valorie pets the cat
 Thanx boss (re @philipz: welcome @levisraju)
 A mí me aparece que no se pueden cumplir con las dependencias... Y que no instalará la aplicación. Intente instalar un paquete .deb y el error es siempre el mismo. (re @philipz: )
 It appears to me that dependencies cannot be met ... And that the applidogion will not install.  Try to install a .deb package and the error is always the same. (edited) (re @philipz: )
 Here’s Linux on this laptop:
 It’s pretty fast on Linux
 @Yosoyoswi python-gtk2 package isnt in the repo

 Some specs
[06:10] <xubunu-testerw9> Hello, I am using and testing the xUbuntu 20.04 release as Exploratory, meaning it is installed on my system as any other distro would be. The computer I have is a Lenovo Flex 14 with a 360 degree hinge. Upon flipping the screen (not sure the exact amount of rotation) the trackpad will stop working. I have not tried an external mouse yet. The
[06:10] <xubunu-testerw9> touchscreen still works as does the keyboard. Flipping back to laptop mode does not fix the problem. Logging out and back in also does not fix it. I have to restart my system to get the track pad to work again. Let me know what information is needed or if this problem could even be an xfce problem..
 Interesting
 I’ve never used a flip laptop thing
 Does that mean that python-gtk2 will no longer be supported by Ubuntu 20.04? (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi python-gtk2 package isnt in the repo)
 One thing is my main laptop can open it’s screen up to 180 degrees
[06:12] <xubunu-testerw9> I think many can. I think this laptop has the ability to rotate the screen like you would see on a smart phone. I wonder if that has to do with this problem.
 That is the same distro that I installed ... (re @megatobg: )

 Cool (re @Yosoyoswi: That is the same distro that I installed ...)
 @Yosoyoswi not sure what it means. will have to check with the other developers to see
[06:14] <ubuntutestingbot> [telegram] <Rafael Jesús> Thanks for the welcome :) (re @philipz: welcome @Aleskrv Rafael Jesús @Yosoyoswi)
[06:16] <guiverc> xubunu-testerw9, thank you for testing, I cannot help sorry, but I'd suggest filing a bug via `ubuntu-bug`.  Do you get the issue if you use another flavor other than xubuntu/XFCE? (if you've tried)
 That external hdd has lubuntu on it:
 xubuntu-testerw9: you should likely file a  bug

 I understand.  Anyway I have learned to use recordmydesktop by commands and I even made a script with the necessary commands to save time so it is not a serious loss in case the graphical interface is no longer supported. (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi not sure what it means. will have to check with the other developers to see)
 guiverc: is there a package to file mouse bugs against
[06:17] <xubunu-testerw9> I have not tried. I can try live usb of Ubuntu.
 @Yosoyoswi maybe give simplescreenrecorder a go
[06:18] <xubunu-testerw9> I will file a bug appropriately after testing another distro. Thank you.
 xubuntu-testerw9: yes please do test it against ubuntu first, though i doubt it would be a xubuntu only bug
[06:19] <guiverc> Sorry I don't know, I asked about other 20.04 flavors/ubuntu to see if kernel (where I'd possibly file against), however if it occurs in xubuntu only I'd likely go the xubuntu-desktop (as I don't know sorry @philipz
 I will try other desktop recorders to see how they work.  Simplescreenrecorder has been tested on other distributions but not this one.  I'm going to use it and tell them (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi maybe give simplescreenrecorder a go)
 i've filed the bug about it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-recordmydesktop/+bug/1872406
[06:21] <xubunu-testerw9> Thanks <philipz> it is also my guess that this is not xubuntu strictly. Ok <guiverc> that is valuable information, I will be able to file the bug to a better location.
 @Yosoyoswi it was removed in debian, so removed in ubuntu - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943983
 A few days ago I used the latest version of sparky Linux based on debian 9 and the GTK-recordmydesktop applidogion was in synaptic.  Now maybe we have to wait to see if they manage to fix it or if it will no longer appear in Ubuntu from now on ... (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi it was removed in debian, so removed in ubuntu - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943983)
 I can see the new Firefox icon looks warmer than the old one:
 its not coming back as it has been unmaintained or 10 years and using old libraries (re @Yosoyoswi: A few days ago I used the latest version of sparky Linux based on debian 9 and the GTK-recordmydesktop applidogion was in synaptic.  Now maybe we have to wait to see if they manage to fix it or if it will no longer appear in Ubuntu from now on ...)
 very interesting. what machine you running that VM on and what specs did you allodoge to it. (re @megatobg: )

 This laptop has some issues sometimes but it does work
 Virtual machines on this are pretty good
 I love how much faster vms are on Linux unlike windows
 burn the ISO to a USB and try it on real hardware and see how it works
 I probably will test it later
 The last time it failed on this part I think it was because I didn’t setup partitions correctly:
 Done:
[07:07] <xubuntu-testerw9> HI again. I just tested the track pad stopping working issue on 20.04 Ubuntu Beta and the same problem happens. Again, I am on a Lenovo Flex 14. When I flip the screen to 360 tablet mode the track pad stopped working. On Ubuntu 20.04 Beta, a little square icon with and X appears, I guess that means it knows to disable the track pad as it may be
[07:07] <xubuntu-testerw9> sitting on some surface during tablet mode, but it doesn't give it back when flipping the screen back to 90 degrees/laptop mode.
[07:52] <guiverc> xubuntu-testerw9,  I suspected it would occur in other flavors (inc. main Ubuntu), I'd `ubuntu-bug linux` and say you tested it on xubuntu & main ubuntu... it'll report your running system (i assume ubuntu so gnome, why you should mention you had the same response whilst running xubuntu)
[08:16] <kubuntu-tester73> Hello all! I just download kubuntu 20.04 for test it on a virtual machine. I want to say to the developer team they have done a great job for this release and Thank you!
[08:20] <kubuntu-tester73> I would like report something. I selected spanish language on installer but Kubuntu was installed with english language. (i dont know if it has been reported before)
[08:20] <kubuntu-tester73> Thanks
[08:22] <guiverc> kubuntu-tester73, I would suggest filing a bug on your noted language issue, if for no other reason than it'll be easier to track..   do you feel capable of that?
[08:22] <guiverc> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[08:32] <kubuntu-tester73> Ok I will check it. thanks!
 kubuntu-tester73: you can file it easily with running 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' from the terminal
 xubuntu-testerw9: once you file the bug, you can paste the url here
 welcome Marco
 Thanks :) (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <kubuntu-tester73> Hello all! I just download kubuntu 20.04 for test it on a virtual machine. I want to say to the developer team they have done a great job for this release and Thank you!)
 kubuntu-tester73: yes, please report against ubiquity
 Hi all
[10:31] <guiverc> thanks @RikMills
 testing week mentioned on the ubuntu podcast and @wimpress said we made the desktop team cry tears of joy, so lets keep it up - https://youtu.be/fqRMWEnZJjs?t=1153
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> tnx philipz
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> does someone know if the maintainer of xscreensaver still active or not?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> i have filed a few bugs across different ubuntu versions, that dont get solved
[11:23] <kc2bez> lotuspsychje: It looks like development is still happening. https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx kc2bez i might share some bugs in here about it then
[11:24] <kc2bez> sure, if they still exist in 20.04 they should get looked at.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> here's one of those xscreensaver bugs i still have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1790110
[15:49] <vadi01> can kubuntu bug reports be given here also?
 Yes (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <vadi01> can kubuntu bug reports be given here also?)
 Any bug reports
 For pretty much all flavors you can report on launchpad
 Type in Bug #(number) and it will show up
 For example
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: Save your breath, they're gone.
 Bug #198637
 ? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: Save your breath, they're gone.)
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: They were IRC, and left 2 minutes after posting that.
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> Telegram doesn't show IRC Join/Part messages.
 Oh. Yeah
 PS. Final freeze is on Thursday. Not impossible to get bug fixes in after that, but it is harder, and sometimes less important ones will get put off to be post release ones. So, in short, testing now is just as important as always. Thanks!
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> @Rikmills: thank you!
 np. I've done this many times now, but still a bit scary thinking what might be there not found!
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> @Rikmills: think kubuntu is still pretty popular, and saw a lot of testers too
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> Blueskaj also said things are pretty stable for him
 I know. I know. :D
 Just SRUs are just just a PITA with the paperwork!
 Just SRUs are such a PITA with the paperwork! (edited)
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> think we cant avoid new bugs arise when the masses start using it
 *such a PITA
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> cause everyone has their own needs/packages not everyone tests
 All true.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> its good you guys created this channel, cause +1 has been not so active last releases..
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> this channel will be used for every new release?
[17:19] <TDO|Denton> I guess so.
 if the bot is misbehaving, I can remove it or file a bug upstream
 I would guess so. Hopefully it does not lose momentum (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> this channel will be used for every new release?)
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> what you guys think to mention it in the !ubuntu+1 factoid ?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> can only benefit testers and devs meet more?
 if we agree to keep using this for testing weeks, milestone testing etc, then I don't see why not.
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-quality
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> what do you think?
 support is perhaps not right?
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> bug testers in #ubuntu-quality ?
 'testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality' ?
 it's a bit of both in both really, but the main focus is different
 only bug is its changing 'applidogion' into 'applidogion' for some strange reason (re @popeydc: if the bot is misbehaving, I can remove it or file a bug upstream)
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+1 and testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> hows that
[17:32] <jphilips> application
  (re @philipz: only bug is its changing 'applidogion' into 'applidogion' for some strange reason)
 Yeah, what WTF?
[17:33]  * housecat barksx
[17:33] <housecat> i kinda assumed it was an april fools joke that's still on 2 weeks later
 @popeydc its fine on the platform it originates from but gets switched when sent to the bridge platform (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <jphilips> applidogion)
[17:34] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: fine for me, but I am not the boss
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: lets try, and see what happens
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu+1 is <reply> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+1 and testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> sended
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> i think this channel was a great succes already, testing and sharing bugs over irc and telegram, for all flavours
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> for those who like, we also have a little pre testing bug team in #ubuntu-bug-announce to help the devs out a bit
[17:42] <RikMills> milestone testing for point releases would also be good if we can get that in here. we always struggle to ISO testing done for the LTS point releases via existing channels
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: that might be a bit harder indeed, as most users are more interested in new releases then point releases
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: but now this channel exists, things can grow right
[17:46] <RikMills> yeah, that is the problem. they are just as important though, as those ISOs become the default ones people get when they want to install the LTS. not only do they add bugfixes, but also usually new HWE stack!
[17:48] <RikMills> I think with help from people like popey etc, we can do more effective calls for testing though. that is half the problem
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> agree its important, and promoting testing weeks is a good idea
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> from wich source do you think most users found #ubuntu-quality ?
[17:50] <RikMills> not a clue. hopefully some that did can say
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> jphilips popey know perhaps?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> we have discourse, +1, UWN newslettre, twitter,..
 the irc and telegram channel/group was mentioned in all of our announcements, so that definitely brought in users
 the users who appeared on IRC with the username xubuntu-tester* or kubuntu-tester* came from the announcement pages
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> maybe its a good idea to mention #ubuntu-quality in the dev channels flavours topic?
[17:57] <housecat> do the flavors prefer to do flavor-specific bug triaging in here or in their -devel channels?
[17:58]  * housecat vaguely worried about having multiple channels for one thing again
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> well this channel has a promising boost for sure
[18:00] <housecat> indeed
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> philipz told me kubuntu & xubuntu also integrating telegram on their website now
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> and studio on matrix
 yes i presume most would prefer in their own devel channels, as most bugs are flavor specific and more people from the flavor are in their devel channel.
 the good thing about this telegram/irc group is that its flavor agnostic and we are welcoming to people specifically trying to ISO test and bug report. atleast thats what i'm hoping
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah its a nice gathering
 lotuspsychje: i mentioned kubuntu and lubuntu (not xubuntu) already have telegram and bridge them to their irc channels
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> housecat: This channel is more for people who don't want to necessarily join the various teams but want to contribute by testing. It's proving to be invaluable.
[18:10] <housecat> Eickmeyer: yep. I was asking because of the comment about adding it to /topic #foo-devel
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> housecat: Oh yes, agreed. That shouldn't be a thing.
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> i was brainstorming for RikMills idea to get more testers for the point releases
 we should definitely repeat testing weeks regularly for point, regular, and LTS releases
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> is there some wiki out there that describes point release testing?
[18:29] <housecat> !ubuntu+1
[18:29] <RikMills> mostly it is the tests on the qa tracker
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> thank you housecat
[18:30] <RikMills> so that we don't ship dodgy isos
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: this one? https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:35] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: yes, for example when we had to test the ISOs for 18.04.4 point release: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/410/builds
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> ok great RikMills
[18:35] <RikMills> you can see there that not all flavours managed to get all tests done
 hopefully it will be better the next time with the point release testing. go team \o/
 Ubuntu Cinnamon seems fine
 honestly ive been jumping around
 and I sort of miss the warm embrace of my gnome-feel desktop
 I'll only test in live session now
 Is it possible to enable TOTP based 2FA for our Ubuntu One (OpenID) accounts?

 Trusy goes to Xenial :)
 This is weird...

 definitely. is it attempting to install all those 4.4.0 kernels
 I think it is because on trusty old kernels were never removed. So it pulled all those installed ones because of series change.
 Maybe :)
 you should file that, though there arent any xenial upgrade testcases on the iso tracker
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/400/builds
 yup :) i just ctrl-c’ed and removed all those old kernels, except the current one
 so it is better now
 this also could be due to fact that MATE was not an official flavor in Trusty times
 :D
 lets see how the xenial to bionic goes
 there definitely is a testcase for that one
 yup :) it is installing xenial packages now...
 this definitely is one of the main reasons i hate using update manager - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1834798
 Well now :)

 mate is not taking this very well :/
 is it still running?
 with the cpu at 100%
 yup. I guess it is running all of those mate components wrongly
 as my Xsession is broken
 should have started the upgrade from console
 or at least in screen
 hope you backed up
 did. but apt’s terminal.log looks promising

 It worked! Upgraded to xenial :)
 Now let’s do bionic!

 With pride and bravery! (gui upgrade)
 nice. you using that in UC (re @ItzSwirlz: )
 No just for me (re @philipz: nice. you using that in UC)
 UC wall is already done
 Well now :) :) :)

 what internet site you been messing with
 another reason i hate update manager, looking at various log files eats a CPU core - https://youtu.be/ZglJfB-dXew?t=38

 Success!
 congrats. so when are gonna upgrade to 20.04?
 as soon as it is released
 i only had that kernel issue at beginning and postfix
 i think postfix was installed by smartmontools which is installed by me installing lm-sensors :)
 it took cca 2 hours to go from trusty to bionic, including package downloada
 s
 super nice experience, learn from this, Windows :)
[23:42] <keithzg[m]> @MrkiMike Microsoft is unable to learn from the testers in their own Windows Insider program (multiple times now they've shipped serious bugs flagged there), so if they can't even do that I wouldn't hold my breath for them learning from outside sources ;)
[23:44]  * keithzg[m] meanwhile still can't get SDDM to work on this laptop running 20.04, hrmmm


[20:13] <sudip> can anyone please mark LP: #2048764 as affecting Mantic, Lunar and Jammy
[20:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 2048764 in pure-ftpd (Ubuntu) "pure-ftpd-postgresql 1.0.50 segfaults after client connects" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2048764
[20:14] <rbasak> Done
[20:31] <sudip> thanks rbasak


[04:23] <jose> will be moving articles to the wiki tomorrow early morning since I'm having login issues (timeouts)
[04:24] <jose> typical of the wiki to misbehave, but meh, it works.
[04:24] <jose> be back in less than 8h
[17:09] <PaulW2U> jose: editorial review done, ok to publish although it would be nice if someone else could also review
[20:27] <jose> PaulW2U: thanks! I'll take a look in a while


[18:20] <SlidingHorn> I'm 99% certain that "bunnyman13" in main is bugzie/bugzbunny avoiding a ban.  Same trolling techniques, same habit of offering bad advice etc.  Just figured I'd point it out in here for folks to keep an eye out
[18:20] <SlidingHorn> I won't idle for a response...I'll be in -discuss if anyone wants to talk


[12:48]  * gmb -> out to vote and run errands; back later
[13:22] <benji> gmb and danilos: I'm taking 777766 unless someone else is already working on it.
[13:23] <benji> I'm also taking something for this headache.
[13:23] <danilos> benji, not me, go for it
[13:30] <danilos> benji, with gmb out, I assume there's not much to discuss in the call
[13:30] <benji> not that I can think of
[13:31] <danilos> benji, gmb (when you come back): I would like us to make a firm decision if we should pursue opening the feature to the wider launchpad-beta-testers team tomorrow (early, most likely)
[13:31] <danilos> (I don't want it to be late because if it goes horribly wrong, it'll do so for a bunch of people over the weekend)
[13:31] <benji> ideally it would be early tomorrow or Monday (tomorrow being a Friday)
[13:32] <benji> right
[13:32] <danilos> benji, right :)
[16:54]  * danilos -> off


[19:42] <ncollins> I'm having trouble getting netplan to request a DHCP address for VLAN interfaces; in the following config, the vlan.1 and vlan.2 interfaces are brought up correctly but never request a DHCP address: https://pastebin.com/Zzv1kCYM
[19:42] <ncollins> I can run `dhclient vlan.1` and it pulls an address from DHCP without any issues, so I think netplan just isn't requesting an address on these interfaces for some reason.
[19:43] <ncollins> (netplan 0.99 on ubuntu 20.04)