[00:20] <rbelem> heya Riddell
[02:21] <nixternal> if he was looking for the beta version of gimp, there isn't a ppa i would trust
[02:52] <ScottK> rbelem: I think Riddell's gone for a few days.
[03:42] <ybit> i'm looking for distros to hand out at a booth, i noticed that kubuntu didn't offer the user the ability to reformat currently installed operating systems, is this being worked on?
[03:47] <ScottK> ybit: What do you mean by "reformat the current operating system"?  You can certainly install over an existing operating system and reformat.
[03:50] <ybit> reformat a partition which another OS currently resides in*
[03:50] <ybit> hmm...
[03:50] <ybit> i installed kubuntu
[03:51] <ybit> i then went to install kubuntu on top of that kubuntu and it didn't give me an option to reformat the current installation
[03:51] <ybit> that was my testing expereience
[04:25] <ScottK> You can.
[04:25] <ScottK> Although, unless the partition is messed up there's really no need to.
[06:09] <Tm_T> 4.8.1 on oneiric being installed currently
[09:04] <Mamarok> nice, KDE 4.8.1 is arriving in the repos :)
[10:11] <jussi> If I have a bug in icon only task manager, against which package do I file it?
[10:53] <debfx> jussi: bugs.kde.org :)
[10:53] <jussi> debfx: thats fail. :/ Whyever cant it be reported in K/Ubuntu?
[10:55] <debfx> jussi: if it's an upstream issue it will likely be ignored on the ubuntu bugtracker
[12:30] <Sput> hmpf. after today's kubuntu upgrade, kmail and akonadi keep crashing somewhere in nepomuk/soprano...
[13:05] <bulldog98> Riddell, apachelogger: is someone working on the installer? I have time to work on it
[13:06] <ScottK> bulldog98: No one is working on it, IIRC.
[13:06] <ScottK> I think nixternal triaged a bunch of bugs, but that's as far as he got.  I may have other plans.
[13:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:14] <debfx> yofel: want me to help uploading 4.8.1?
[13:21] <debfx> I take that as a yes ;)
[13:21]  * debfx grabs kdepimlibs
[13:22] <yofel> debfx: yes, I'm at school and won't be able to upload anything for the next 2 hours
[13:23] <debfx> ok
[13:51] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: would it be ok for you if I would apply for becoming Kubuntu dev the same time as you?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: I don't see why :D
[13:59] <ScottK> debfx: Are you uploading anything else?
[13:59]  * ScottK might do a few.
[14:00] <ScottK> bulldog98: The fewer meetings the better.
[14:03] <apachelogger> bulldog98: no one working on it
[14:04] <bulldog98> apachelogger: so I’ll have a look at it :)
[14:04] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what you want to do?
[14:04] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I would like to port the most stuff to qml
[14:05] <apachelogger> uh
[14:05] <apachelogger> bulldog98: don't we have more important things todo :P
[14:05] <bulldog98> apachelogger: eg?
[14:05] <apachelogger> don't get me wrong, proting and cleanup and stuff needs to happen, just not when we are close to release :P
[14:05] <apachelogger> bug fixing
[14:05] <apachelogger> bug triage
[14:05] <apachelogger> QA
[14:06] <apachelogger> <--- qa coordinator :P
[14:07] <bulldog98> apachelogger: don’t we have something like a bug list somewhere on launchpad?
[14:10] <ScottK> bulldog98: For the installer, there's (sorry, ugly LP URL follows):
[14:10] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity?field.searchtext=kde&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[14:11]  * ScottK does kactivities.
[14:14] <debfx> I have done that but: Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main' ...
[14:15] <ScottK> Oh.  So we need the package set list updated.
[14:15] <ScottK> I just uploaded it.
[14:15] <ScottK> debfx: Any others you've done?
[14:16] <ScottK> Or more particularly any others you know you can't do because they aren't in the packageset?
[14:16] <debfx> ScottK: nope, haven't done any others
[14:16] <jussi> so who broke my nvidia driver! :/
[14:16] <ScottK> micahg: What's the process now for fixing obvious omissions due to new pakcages from a packageset?
[14:17] <ScottK> jussi: nvidia. By definition.
[14:17] <jussi> hehe
[14:17] <debfx> likely all that are new in 4.8
[14:17] <jussi> who broke its integration with ubuntu more to the point ;)
[14:18] <debfx> ScottK: I'm pretty sure it's still "ping cjwatson"
[14:18] <ScottK> debfx: I suspect so, but the DMB may have powerz now.  Not sure.
[14:21] <debfx> even if they have the power I doubt anyone else would be willing to touch it
[14:21] <ScottK> micahg is fearless.  He'd do it.
[14:24] <ScottK> OK.  kactivities and kde-baseapps up.
[14:27]  * ScottK does libkipi next.
[14:32] <ScottK> OK.  That's done.  Time to pretend to work for awhile.
[14:44] <rbelem> ScottK, is he sick?
[14:45] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[14:45] <ScottK> He just mentioned something about being away.
[14:46] <rbelem> ScottK, i hope he is completely recovered from that accident
[14:47] <ScottK> AIUI he's not fully recovered, but mending slowly and ~as expected.
[14:47] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as far as I can see we need to port ubiquity from PyQt to PySide to use Qml
[14:48] <rbelem> ScottK, so, if you have some time, could you help me with the active pkgs?
[14:49] <ScottK> rbelem: Possibly, but the time I have for Kubuntu today, I'm trying to help upload KDE 4.8.1.
[14:50] <rbelem> ScottK, oki :-) when you r free, could you ping me?
[14:51] <ScottK> I probably won't remember.  Once 4.8.1 is done, give me a shout.
[14:51] <rbelem> ScottK, will do
[14:51] <rbelem> :-)
[14:56] <schnelle> pfff now chrome/chromium doesn't respect color scheme. it forces black text like libreoffice used to do
[14:57] <Sput> hmpf. I guess I should've disabled the beta ppa
[15:00]  * ScottK does libkdeedu
[15:06] <ScottK> Now okular
[15:13] <debfx> I'll take kde-workspace and oxygen-icons
[15:15]  * ScottK updated the wiki page.
[15:16]  * ScottK does -runtime.
[15:16] <debfx> ScottK: have you seen the "ffe?" on the wiki?
[15:17] <Peace-> apachelogger: pinga
[15:17] <ScottK> Saw it.  Approved it already.
[15:17]  * ScottK should make sure the bug is closed in changelog
[15:18] <Peace-> :) another spalsh qml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KZreVEHp5g
[15:18] <ScottK> Yep.  It's there.
[15:19] <ScottK> debfx: One thing I just thought of though ... kde-runtime will need to go through binary New and if I upload it, I can't do that.  Would you please review and upload?
[15:19]  * ScottK doesn't do -runtime.
[15:20] <debfx> yep, can do
[15:21] <ScottK> Great.
[15:22]  * ScottK does libkexiv2 instead.
[15:35]  * debfx grabs kde-wallpapers
[15:46] <debfx> what's the deal with libkwineffectsabi2-gles?
[15:47] <debfx> why is it empty?
[15:48] <debfx> I assume we don't need it anymore since we dropped our double build hacks?
[15:49] <ScottK> It's referred to all over the place.
[15:51] <debfx> where? (except kde-window-manager-gles)
[15:55] <ScottK> Nevermind.  It was kde-window-manager-gles I was looking at.
[15:56] <ScottK> We do build kdeinit_kwin_gles.dir/effects.o
[16:07] <ScottK> debfx: I think you're right.  As nearly as I can tell from the build log of 4.8.0, whatever was in libkwineffectsabi2-gles is now part of kde-window-manager-gles.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> ScottK,  does kde-window-manager-gles give more graphics effects options for pci graphics cards like nvidia 7000 series for example ?
[16:16] <ScottK> IIRC it's mostly designed for contrained environments where all of GL isn't available.
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ok , hence the nouveau dependency
[16:18] <Peace-> guys i have  a problem with qml
[16:18] <Peace->  /main.qml:2:2: module "QtMultimediaKit" is not installed
[16:18] <Peace-> i installed libqtmultimediakit1
[16:18] <Peace-> it still breaks
[16:19]  * ScottK bets apachelogger knows the answer to that one.
[16:20] <Peace-> ScottK: i get a nice core dumped
[16:20] <Peace-> xD
[16:22]  * ScottK looks at marble
[16:25] <debfx> Peace-: sounds like you need libdeclarative-multimedia
[16:27] <Peace-> debfx: i wil try
[16:28] <Peace-> debfx: nice now it doesn't play anything but.. at least doesn't crash
[16:28] <Peace-> debfx: :) thanks fixed
[16:31] <agateau> Hi! would be great if someone with upload privileges could have a look at the Zanshin package I pushed here: https://launchpad.net/~agateau/+archive/ppa/+packages and upload it
[16:32] <Peace-> ok now even the splash theme has the audiio
[16:34] <ScottK> agateau: It should probably wait until after more of 4.8.1 is uploaded so it doesn't get mixed up with that.  Later today or tomorrow.
[16:34] <agateau> ScottK: no problem, there is no urgency
[16:34] <ScottK> Peace-: Please make sure there's an easy way to disable said audio.
[16:35] <Peace-> ScottK: well i am not working on official kubuntu stuff
[16:35] <Peace-> :)
[16:35] <ScottK> OK.
[16:36] <Peace-> but i will
[17:33] <Riddell> guten abend from cebit
[17:33] <Tm_T> so 4.8.1 is released, yay
[17:33] <Riddell> free beer on the KDE stall
[17:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, having fun there?
[17:33] <Riddell> yofel_: how did you get on with 4.8.1?
[17:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: this place is huge!
[17:33] <ScottK> Riddell: We mostly need to upload stuff.
[17:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Also rbelem was looking for help on his active stuff.  If you've got any time, it'd be lovely if you could help him since several of us can upload 4.8.1 stuff.
[17:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: is KDE booth having a good set of different distros and hooks, like plasma active?
[17:35] <Riddell> I can't do much, I'm in the middle of a conference
[17:35]  * ScottK does libkdcraw.
[17:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: one desktop with kubuntu, one spark
[17:36] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  If you could give me a hint about where things are so we can help him out, that'd be good.
[17:36] <Riddell> ScottK: on active?
[17:36] <ScottK> yes.
[17:36]  * ScottK thinks apachelogger is looking for something to do.
[17:37] <Riddell> images should be being made and rbelem's latest stuff was uploaded on monday
[17:37] <Riddell> and I think I stopped kubuntu-active installing plasma-desktop
[17:37] <Riddell> so go test the images
[17:37] <Riddell> maybe it magically works
[17:37] <ScottK> OK.
[17:37] <ScottK> He said he had more stufz.  Not sure what.
[17:38] <Riddell> just see what's new in ~kubuntu-active PPA since monday
[17:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: nice
[17:42] <Riddell> and free currywerst :)
[17:42] <Tm_T> wurst?
[17:42] <Riddell> yes
[17:43] <Tm_T> sounds delicious
[17:43] <Riddell> no, it's wiener
[17:50] <schnelle> guys I tested precise and I found this bug (also present with qt 4.8 in oneriric): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/942102
[17:51] <schnelle> also all panel bugs are still present :(
[17:51] <ScottK> schnelle: What we really need is testing on precise with Qt 4.8 and KDE 4.8.
[17:52] <schnelle> ScottK: the bug above happens on precise
[17:53] <schnelle> also panel bugs are present on precise
[17:53] <schnelle> for both qt need to be patched
[17:53] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe agateau would know about what needs doing.
[17:53]  * ScottK does kdepim-runtime
[17:56] <rbelem> thanks Riddell, ScottK :-)
[17:58] <rbelem> Riddell, today's image should have all new stuff?
[18:40] <ScottK> Now kdepim
[18:46] <ScottK> rbelem: It should be all whatever's in the official archive (not the PPA)
[18:47] <rbelem> ScottK, nice :-) everything is there
[18:53]  * ScottK does pykde4
[18:53] <micahg> ScottK: well, depends on which packageset and why
[18:54] <ScottK> micahg: Adding kactivities to the Kubuntu packageset since it's a new KDE package for KDE 4.8.
[18:54] <ScottK> Nothing else uses it.
[18:55] <micahg> ScottK: just e-mail cjwatson to add it to the generated packageset assuming it's seeded
[18:55] <micahg> or rather to rerun his scripts
[18:55] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[18:57] <ScottK> Done.
[20:10] <Peace-> ok i have released :D
[20:11] <Peace-> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=149385
[20:11] <Peace-> if anyone wants test it :D
[20:19] <bulldog98> Peace-: you don’t have a download path anywhere
[20:20] <Peace-> bulldog98: ? http://kde-peace-settings.googlecode.com/files/nwd2.tar.gz
[20:20] <Peace-> ups
[20:20] <Peace-> sorry
[20:22] <Peace-> bulldog98: http://kde-peace-settings.googlecode.com/files/nwdsound.tar.gz
[20:22] <Peace-> bulldog98: thank you
[20:23] <Peace-> i used the old link :/
[20:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am still looking at plymouth and try to make sense of it
[20:53] <ScottK> Ouch.
[20:53] <apachelogger> bulldog98: regarding bugs... I sent a mail about that back when feature freeze started, clearly no one bothered to read it :P
[20:54] <apachelogger> bulldog98: also about pyside ... booohoooo
[20:54] <apachelogger> Riddell is not gonna like that one
[20:54] <apachelogger> also pyside is not nokia maintained anymore from what I heared
[20:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll put the link into the header
[20:58] <apachelogger> friends! what's with the long header?
[20:58] <apachelogger> also
[20:59] <apachelogger> help! friends! I got tricked by a guinea pig!
[20:59] <ScottK> Nice.
[20:59] <ScottK> They are reasonably tasty.
[20:59] <ScottK> I tried one in Peru once.
[21:00] <apachelogger> Peace-: so you are now login into a community?   When in Rome and all that.
[21:01] <apachelogger> I cannot even not watch no prn
[21:02] <jussi> apachelogger: eh-heh
[21:02] <Peace-> jussi: rome?
[21:02] <jussi> Peace-: huh?
[21:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: rome is in peru?
[21:02] <jussi> oh you all fail
[21:02] <jussi> "when in rome do as the romans do"
[21:03] <Peace-> ah :S
[21:03] <ScottK> "When in Austria, go to Germany?"
[21:03] <jussi> substitute rome/romans for $place/$people
[21:03] <Peace-> ScottK: xD
[21:03] <apachelogger> suite case point
[21:03] <apachelogger> oh
[21:03] <apachelogger> a suite case, picture that
[21:04] <apachelogger> it's how the doctor travels
[21:05] <apachelogger> Peace-: good sir, you really do not want to use oga but wav
[21:06] <Peace-> apachelogger: ?
[21:06] <Peace-> why wav?
[21:07] <apachelogger> cuz it is less slow
[21:07] <Peace-> ah
[21:07] <apachelogger> then again you are loading qtmmkit in a splash screen plus a bazillion pictures, one gets to question wherever it makes any difference
[21:08] <apachelogger> also I wanted to ask everyone something, but I forgot
[21:08] <apachelogger> friends! what's with the topic spam already?
[21:08] <apachelogger> also
[21:08] <apachelogger> friends! did we ever decide which background to use for splashes? ariya or upstream ariya version for splashes?
[21:09] <Peace-> for me the default stuff it's not "Hot"
[21:10] <apachelogger> that aint not no answer
[21:10] <Peace-> :D
[21:10] <apachelogger> also why does digikam of all things use dh_apparmor? :O
[21:11] <apachelogger> great no one wants to answer me
[21:11] <ScottK> Presumably because it has a profile.
[21:11] <apachelogger> no new splashes then :P
[21:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger: because it uses mysql???
[21:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:11] <apachelogger> it uses mysql?
[21:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:11] <apachelogger> :O
[21:12] <apachelogger> -.-
[21:12] <apachelogger> :@
[21:12] <Peace-> LOL
[21:12] <bulldog98> apachelogger: at least you can make it use mysql
[21:12] <bulldog98> I think default is sqlite
[21:12] <apachelogger> on windows I have this many user space apps using mysql: 0
[21:12]  * ScottK doesn't think anything actually "uses" mysql so much as it endures it.
[21:13] <apachelogger> on kubuntu I this many user space apps using mysql right now: 2
[21:13] <apachelogger> mind my sequel
[21:14] <apachelogger> dup dup dup
[21:14] <apachelogger> so, really
[21:14] <apachelogger> what wallpaper to use?
[21:14] <Peace-> for waht?
[21:14] <apachelogger> (FWIW: the upstream default splash wall is more suitable for low color depths)
[21:14] <apachelogger> splashes
[21:15] <Peace-> i would use dark splash wallapaper
[21:15] <Peace-> walla walla xD
[21:16] <apachelogger> yeah and I would use a picture of nakkid bulldog98, no luck for both of us as neither is an option... -.-
[21:16] <apachelogger> I could totally roll a dice
[21:16] <apachelogger> better yet, I'll spam the list
[21:16] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:16] <Peace-> spam it LOL
[21:17] <apachelogger> what I like most about systemsettings is the affordance the icons provide
[21:17] <apachelogger> desktop effects having a desktop and all that
[21:18] <apachelogger> totally makes me not click it when I want to get desktop settings
[21:18] <apachelogger> <3
[21:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: will I ever get an answer on my mail btw?  Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[21:27] <tazz> :p
[21:28] <apachelogger> no
[21:28] <apachelogger> that was jon the tacko
[21:28] <apachelogger> who is once again not here
[21:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: seen JontheEchidna
[21:28] <kubotu> JontheEchidna was last seen 1 day, 18 hours, 21 minutes and 18 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[21:28] <apachelogger> using quassel so he can avoid me
[21:28] <apachelogger> eh
[21:28] <apachelogger> konversation
[21:29] <apachelogger> <-- using quassel because he is in the credits apparently
[21:30] <ScottK> He was the litigator for Konversation in the last great Quassel versus Konversation Kubuntu Council case, so no surprise there.
[21:31] <apachelogger> in the last IRC client war you mean
[21:32] <tazz> +1 for http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/snapshot020.png
[21:32] <apachelogger> he probably argued for konversation because he is not in the credits of quassel
[21:32]  * apachelogger only got told today by a fellow student ^^
[21:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[21:34] <apachelogger> we should rename ariya to vertigo
[21:34] <apachelogger> way easier to spell
[21:35] <apachelogger> oh my tmp folder is filled with bug screenshots
[21:35] <apachelogger> cool
[21:35] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/snapshot9.png
[21:35] <apachelogger> bulldog98: fix that
[21:37]  * apachelogger pokes fabo into fixing Qt as per mailing list
[21:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll have a look at it
[21:38] <apachelogger> yofel: u here?
[21:38] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I am being lazy, could you check some packaging issue for me?
[21:39] <apachelogger> Peace-: btw, you can have multiple qml files ;)
[21:40] <Peace-> apachelogger: i am plannin to rename stuff and put them on one page
[21:40] <Peace-> with multiple links :D
[21:41] <Peace-> apachelogger: you know the fist walla walla is better for me
[21:41] <Peace-> first
[21:41] <apachelogger> cuz it is made for splashes :P
[21:41] <apachelogger> no clue whoever made the ariya wallpaper the background
[21:41] <apachelogger> or how
[21:42] <apachelogger> and since I am being lazy and bulldog98 doesn't wanna help we might never find out
[21:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: helping with what?
[21:42] <apachelogger> find out why the thing in ksplash is ariya
[21:42] <apachelogger> oh
[21:42] <apachelogger> maybe I know already
[21:42] <apachelogger> sec
[21:43] <apachelogger> ok, I don't
[21:43] <apachelogger> bulldog98: something is astray there
[21:43] <apachelogger> all the stuff in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default is ariya
[21:44] <bulldog98> apachelogger: which arch, since on my amd64 it works on the i386 not
[21:44] <apachelogger> even though it should be that center gradient thing
[21:44] <apachelogger> amd64
[21:44] <apachelogger> that doesn't matter for share files anyway :P
[21:45]  * apachelogger needs to clean out his bzr dir for it is a right mess
[21:45] <apachelogger> kde-workspace-data, kde-workspace-data-extras: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default
[21:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: with ubiquity-slideshow I don’t see where I would need to change something
[21:46] <apachelogger> dantti: did I tell you about print-mgr ppa btw?
[21:46] <apachelogger> cuz it is a right mess too
[21:47] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you'd need to make the text have a background, which looks equally crappy
[21:47] <apachelogger> unless you find a way to make the text flow around the pic
[21:48] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[21:48] <apachelogger> bulldog98: u on .1?
[21:48] <apachelogger> that would explain why you have the upstream background for splash
[21:48] <apachelogger> they might have changed it for .1
[21:49] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yeah I’m on .1 but also on my eeepc, where the problem still exsists
[21:49] <dantti> apachelogger: nah
[21:49] <Peace-> apachelogger: but why you don't change the default wallpaper
[21:49] <apachelogger> dantti: kubuntu experimental
[21:49] <dantti> apachelogger: I'm stuggling with a mem leak right now :P
[21:49] <apachelogger> dantti: also see my wicked mail on kubuntu-devel
[21:49] <dantti> apachelogger: it is making my plasma desktop eat all my ram... but hopefully it's the last one..
[21:50] <apachelogger> dantti: basically you just need to tell me a commit that works well and I can roll an update for all supported releases in less than a second (not including build time which is like 3000 hours ;))
[21:50] <dantti> apachelogger: I'm not subscribed to k-dev
[21:50] <apachelogger> poor soul
[21:50] <dantti> apachelogger: right now I'd say no commit works well until I kill that leak
[21:50] <apachelogger> dantti: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005888.html
[21:51] <dantti> otherwise it will eat your ram after a few hours
[21:51] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[21:51] <apachelogger> once you are fine with moving to to backports or beta-backports we can also easily do that
[21:51] <apachelogger> rbelem: also I still do not know where your copyright script is ;)
[21:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: kde-workspace-data-extras is faulty
[21:52]  * bulldog98 is gona have a look at kde-workspace
[21:52] <apachelogger> but how
[21:52] <apachelogger> ./kde-workspace-data-extras.install:usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/600x400/background.png
[21:52] <apachelogger> it just installs whatever is there
[21:52] <bulldog98> apachelogger: and that is the wrong image
[21:52] <apachelogger> but how?
[21:53] <apachelogger> surely we do not patch images
[21:53] <apachelogger> grep doesn't list any such business anyway
[21:53] <bulldog98> apachelogger: have we checked upstream, if the images are right?
[21:53] <Peace-> apachelogger: btw do you know why ksplashqml  is not on kubuntu 11.10 ?
[21:53] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/
[21:53] <apachelogger> unless dirk rolled a wrong tar that should be the background
[21:54] <apachelogger> Peace-: it is in some extra package
[21:54] <Peace-> someone is writtin here that i am an asshole because kslashqml doesn't exist on k11.10 :D
[21:55] <apachelogger> oh
[21:55] <apachelogger> it is not in 4.7!
[21:55] <Peace-> funny
[21:55] <apachelogger> so not in stock 11.10
[21:55] <apachelogger> you'd need to upgrade to .8
[21:55] <Peace-> i am on 12.04 :D
[21:55] <apachelogger> well that has .8
[21:56] <Peace-> a kid has downloaded my theme ...
[21:56] <Peace-> and it's angry xD
[21:56] <Peace-> *he is
[21:56] <Peace-> anyway => bed
[21:56] <Peace-> cya
[21:57] <apachelogger> just when I wanted to praise some work
[21:57] <apachelogger> oh well
[22:01] <bulldog98> apachelogger: tarball is ok
[22:01] <apachelogger> then I do not get it
[22:01] <bulldog98> so we seem to somehow copy something from horos to default
[22:01] <apachelogger> oh
[22:02] <apachelogger> no
[22:02] <apachelogger> tarball does not seem ok
[22:02] <apachelogger> /tmp/kde-workspace-4.8.1/ksplash/ksplashx/themes/default/1920x1200 is ariya
[22:02] <apachelogger> bulldog98: please mail kde-release and kde-artists
[22:03] <apachelogger> this is not healthy
[22:03] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok
[22:04] <bulldog98> apachelogger: for me it’s that stripe thing
[22:06] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I did apt-get source kde-workspace and all  under kde-workspace-4.8.1/ksplash/ksplashx/themes/default/ is what it is supposed to be
[22:06] <apachelogger> http://www.golem.de/news/freier-desktop-zeitplan-fuer-kde-sc-4-9-steht-fest-1203-90168.html lol, now I really need to make dragon3 happening :O
[22:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I did pull-lp-source
[22:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: well yes
[22:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: the stripe thing is ariya
[22:06] <apachelogger> which is wrong
[22:06] <apachelogger> it should be the center gradient
[22:06] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/
[22:07] <apachelogger> maybe ask someone in #oxygen
[22:09] <apachelogger> dantti: did you valgrind the leak?
[22:10] <dantti> apachelogger: yup
[22:10] <dantti> when I fix the leak it does not talk to cups correctly
[22:10] <apachelogger> oh?
[22:10] <apachelogger> whats the leak?
[22:11] <apachelogger> codewise
[22:11] <dantti> kcupsconnection.cpp:190
[22:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger: if it’s announced you have to hurry up :P
[22:11] <dantti> a string dup that is not deleted
[22:12] <dantti> (if I delete it still fails(
[22:13] <dantti> * I pushed a fix but them things stoped working :P
[22:13] <dantti> *then
[22:13] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that's not particularly trivial
[22:13] <apachelogger> bulldog98: while you are over in #oxygen ask nuno nicely wherever he has time to come up with a UI design for dragon3
[22:14] <apachelogger> that'd would at least only leave the technical problem in phonon with format negotiation
[22:14] <bulldog98> apachelogger: wait aren’t you the developer of dragon3?
[22:14] <apachelogger> case in point
[22:14] <apachelogger> *developer*
[22:14] <apachelogger> not UI artist
[22:15] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but still you should ask him
[22:15] <apachelogger> I am too shy
[22:15] <apachelogger> also waitign for quickgit to time out ;)
[22:17] <apachelogger> dantti: it is funny how the dir is called libqcups and has Kclasses ;)
[22:18] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/master/entry/libqcups/KCupsConnection.cpp#L190 ?
[22:18] <bulldog98> apachelogger: even better in the package kde-workspace-data-extra the pics are all the same and the right pics
[22:18] <apachelogger> eh?
[22:19] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that doesn't make sense
[22:19] <apachelogger> all pics in the source tar are ariya
[22:19] <apachelogger> and not the gradient
[22:19] <dantti> apachelogger: Ii renamed the classes
[22:20] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the names confuse me tell me what I’m supposed to see on the pics
[22:20] <apachelogger> so where is the code :P
[22:20] <apachelogger> bulldog98: the one from websvn
[22:20] <apachelogger> which is the thing with the center gradient
[22:20] <apachelogger> ariya is the stripe thing
[22:21] <apachelogger> (FWIW the gradient is the base of ariya ;))
[22:21] <apachelogger> remove the stripes and you get the gradient ;)
[22:21] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok
[22:21] <dantti> apachelogger: a commit before that
[22:21] <bulldog98> apachelogger: even better on my eeepc I have horos pics at that locations
[22:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes that are the stripe things
[22:22] <apachelogger> dantti: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/af3015ba428473bcdf609c5811ceb5f0369adda7/diff/libqcups/KCupsConnection.cpp
[22:22] <apachelogger> ?
[22:22] <apachelogger> oh nvm
[22:22] <apachelogger> I am being silly
[22:25] <apachelogger> dantti: btw you might want to read up on QStringBuilder
[22:26] <dantti> apachelogger: right
[22:26] <apachelogger>  httpAssembleURIf(HTTP_URI_CODING_ALL, uri, sizeof(uri), "ipp", "utf-8", "localhost",....
[22:27] <apachelogger> oh
[22:27] <apachelogger> I guess that utf-8 there is defining the encoding of the path?
[22:27] <apachelogger> cause my immediate guess would have been that destination.toUtf8() might screw it over
[22:29] <apachelogger> bulldog98: will nuno make me a design? :P
[22:30] <apachelogger> dantti:             request = ippNewDefaultRequest(values.take("printer-name").toString(), isClass, operation);
[22:30] <dantti> apachelogger: I think so, but this works for all the rest of the code the real problem is that I need qstringlist to const char **
[22:30] <apachelogger> toString().toUtf8()?
[22:30] <apachelogger> maybe
[22:30] <bulldog98> apachelogger: he hasn’t answered yet
[22:30] <dantti> apachelogger: that is not the leak
[22:31] <dantti> look at the loop where I copy the values
[22:31] <apachelogger> dantti: no, I mean in your fix for th eleak you do not explicitly convert to utf8
[22:31] <apachelogger> is it still leaking with the latest commit?
[22:31] <apachelogger> or just not working?
[22:31] <dantti> not working
[22:31] <dantti> no leak
[22:32] <apachelogger> then try a toutf8 on that line from above
[22:34] <apachelogger> ohm
[22:34] <apachelogger> dantti:                         attr->values[i].string.text = qstrdup(list.at(i).toUtf8());
[22:34] <apachelogger> actually
[22:34] <apachelogger> this does not make sense
[22:34] <apachelogger> actually the entire QStringList case does not make sense WRT attry
[22:34] <apachelogger> s/attry/attr/g
[22:34] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "actually the entire QStringList case does not make sense WRT attr"
[22:34] <dantti> that actually works, but qstrdup, needs cleaning...
[22:35] <apachelogger> ohm
[22:35] <apachelogger> dantti: you never do anything with that attr?
[22:35] <apachelogger> maybe I am not understanding the code though
[22:36] <dantti> IPP_TAG_COPY is said to copy the const char **, but this code also does not working if I delete http://privatepaste.com/e42e6a498e
[22:37] <dantti> apachelogger: I only need the attr to set up it's internal values
[22:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you get help form nuno, but I must warn you he uses mplayer
[22:37] <apachelogger> ah, so it is held elsewhere?
[22:37] <dantti> apachelogger: if I pass a const char ** to ippAddStrings then I can ignore the attr
[22:38] <dantti> apachelogger: yes it adds strings to ipp resquest
[22:38] <dantti> apachelogger: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369083
[22:38] <apachelogger> curious
[22:38] <apachelogger> is ippAddStrings one of your functions?
[22:38] <dantti> the gnome-cups-had the same issue, but they managed to fix it but I'm trying to do the same and it's not working :P
[22:39] <dantti> apachelogger: no
[22:39] <dantti> it's a cups function
[22:39] <apachelogger> you should do a wrapper around it IMHO
[22:39] <apachelogger> to which you can pass a QString
[22:39] <apachelogger> just a thought on making the code better :)
[22:39] <apachelogger> doesn't really help us
[22:40] <dantti> apachelogger: well I use it just a bit... the problem is not with string also it is with string lists :P
[22:41] <apachelogger> this is wicked really
[22:41] <apachelogger> ok
[22:41] <apachelogger> so
[22:41] <apachelogger>                         attr->values[i].string.text = qstrdup(list.at(i).toUtf8());
[22:41] <apachelogger> leaks because cups has refcounting internally and refuses to delete the string
[22:42] <apachelogger> only stuff add via ippAddStrings makes an internal copy if that copy flag is set
[22:42] <apachelogger> thus it is part of the refcount and deleted properly
[22:42] <apachelogger> working aroudn that function and direclty inserting strings then of course causes a leak
[22:42] <apachelogger> so that's that
[22:43] <apachelogger> doesn't explain why it is not working though :)
[22:43] <dantti> it's weird...
[22:45] <apachelogger> dantti: did you try that missing toutf8?
[22:46] <dantti> apachelogger: i think so..
[22:46] <apachelogger> still not working?
[22:46] <dantti> nah
[22:47] <dantti> apachelogger: btw values[item] = list.at(item).toUtf8().data();
[22:47] <dantti> see I was using the toUtf8()
[22:48] <apachelogger> what is values?
[22:48] <apachelogger> and what is list?
[22:48] <apachelogger> typeweise
[22:48] <apachelogger> typewise even
[22:48] <dantti> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/master/entry/libqcups/KCupsConnection.cpp#L190
[22:48] <dantti> apachelogger: char *values[siz]
[22:48] <apachelogger> ohm
[22:48] <apachelogger> list better be around for the time values is used
[22:49] <apachelogger> otherwise the memory will become invalid
[22:49] <apachelogger> that should be fine
[22:49] <Riddell> bulldog98: eh?  you can use QMl with PyQt
[22:50] <apachelogger> but the toutf8 was elsewhere
[22:50] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes that’s possible
[22:50] <apachelogger> dantti:             request = ippNewDefaultRequest(values.take("printer-name").toString(), isClass, operation);
[22:50] <apachelogger> that line is missing it
[22:50] <bulldog98> s/yes/what is that/
[22:50] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "Riddell: what is that that’s possible"
[22:50] <dantti> apachelogger: ah ippNewDefaultRequest is internal...
[22:53] <apachelogger> dantti: well, you were passing it a char* previously
[22:53] <apachelogger> other than that there is no difference that would make things not working
[22:53] <apachelogger> not in that class anyway
[22:54] <Riddell> bulldog98: you're hoping to use QML in Ubiquity?
[22:54] <bulldog98> yes
[22:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: overdue that is
[22:55] <apachelogger> what we do there is quite the abomination ;)
[22:55] <Riddell> bulldog98: to do what?  the slideshow?
[22:55] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes that was the main purpus
[22:56] <apachelogger> dantti: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/db4d72570b457292bed1b4048e726b2704cff25f/diff/libqcups/KCupsRequest.cpp
[22:56] <apachelogger> there you stop setting m_retArguments
[22:57] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/db4d72570b457292bed1b4048e726b2704cff25f/diff/printmanager-dataengine/PrintManagerEngine.cpp
[22:57] <apachelogger> and there you turned the last if
[22:57] <apachelogger> eh
[22:57] <apachelogger> else
[22:57] <apachelogger> else if
[22:58] <Riddell> bulldog98: of course there are probably lots of bugs that need fixed before 12.04 first :)
[22:59] <dantti> apachelogger: that just make the Request class not setting returned args since jobs() is defined then...
[22:59] <Riddell> bulldog98: the main issue with having a bling slideshow is having an artist to make it bling, do you think you can get sheytan or the like to make bling for it?  (or maybe he already has?)
[22:59] <dantti> it's just the string stuff I'm actually thouching...
[22:59] <apachelogger> dantti: but then it must be the missing toUtf8 :P
[22:59] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/diff/libqcups/KCupsConnection.cpp?rev=db4d72570b457292bed1b4048e726b2704cff25f&rev_to=af3015ba428473bcdf609c5811ceb5f0369adda7
[23:00] <apachelogger> also you dup'd name
[23:00] <bulldog98> Riddell: I first have to experiment a bit with ubiquity and qml
[23:00] <apachelogger> dantti: I'd replace that newdefaultrequest argument with qstrdup(values.take("printer-name").toString().toUtf8()
[23:00] <apachelogger> see if that works
[23:00] <apachelogger> oh
[23:00] <apachelogger> blimey
[23:01] <apachelogger> cupsDoFileRequest also needs a dup
[23:01] <apachelogger> or the COPY flag thing (if there is one)
[23:02] <apachelogger> resource.toUtf8() also smells funy unless that function is internal ;)
[23:04] <Riddell> bulldog98: the current ubiquity design was done by I think nuno or someone from Oxygen team and implemented by shtylman using QWidget stylesheets
[23:05] <apachelogger> talking about oxygen
[23:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: sheytan wants to bling it
[23:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: he just needs a dev
[23:05] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what was the conclusion on splash background business?
[23:06] <bulldog98> apachelogger: nuno had no plan what the default is and I’m still waiting for feedback
[23:06] <apachelogger> fun
[23:07] <apachelogger> DAFT PUNK!
[23:07] <apachelogger> now, where was I
[23:07] <dantti> apachelogger: but the leak is on the string list coping...
[23:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: sheytan wants to bling ubiquity?
[23:07] <dantti> it works if that leaks...
[23:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[23:08] <apachelogger> I am being confused here
[23:09] <apachelogger> dantti: db4d7257 does not work, right?
[23:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: if sheytan wants to bling ubiquity all we need is a keen coder to code Qt Quick bling into Ubiquity, I wonder if we have anyone like that
[23:09] <apachelogger> like cups does not want to talk to you?
[23:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: bulldog98 apparently
[23:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubiquity needs major refactoring anyway
[23:09] <apachelogger> the code is really terrible to read (probably mostly since we do ugly thigns to qwidgets to get nice theming)
[23:10] <Riddell> gosh, bulldog98 would be interested you say?  that is fortunate
[23:10] <apachelogger> quite :)
[23:10] <dantti> apachelogger: those where other leaks...
[23:10] <apachelogger> dantti: you are confusing me ;)
[23:11] <apachelogger> if db4d7257 is not working then I'd say first order of business is making it work again
[23:11] <apachelogger> and                         attr->values[i].string.text = qstrdup(list.at(i).toUtf8());       leaks
[23:11] <apachelogger> as explained in the debian bug report
[23:11] <apachelogger> so either you need to use the ippAddStrings function somehow and set that COPY flag
[23:12] <apachelogger> or you need to do 'overlay refcounting' (that is, you must somehow track which requests were processed) so that you can delete the qstring at the right time
[23:13] <apachelogger> e.g. qmap<Request, QStringList> where Request is the request all QStrings in QStringList are associated with, once Request is processed (e.g. you get a reply) you delete all QStrings of that list and remove the entry
[23:14] <apachelogger> that's how I understand the issue anyway
[23:14] <dantti> i prefer the copy flag :P
[23:14] <apachelogger> well yes, that is the way to go
[23:14] <apachelogger> the qmap approach is only a workaround ;)
[23:14] <dantti> I'll try http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/8283
[23:15] <apachelogger> ohm
[23:15] <apachelogger> ah
[23:15] <apachelogger> eh
[23:15] <apachelogger> dantti: I don't get it
[23:15] <apachelogger> dantti: you simply need to convert a qstringlist into a char** to use the copy flag?
[23:18] <dantti> apachelogger: yes
[23:19] <dantti> apachelogger: internally the ippAddStrings() would copy them...
[23:20] <apachelogger> right
[23:20] <apachelogger> you should not need to memcpy then
[23:22] <apachelogger> dantti: toUtf8 returns a QBA, which should deep-copy from QString
[23:22] <dantti> apachelogger: no I would use qstrdup..
[23:22] <apachelogger> dantti: on what?
[23:23] <dantti> values[item] = qstrdup(list.at(item).toUtf8());
[23:23] <apachelogger> that does not make sense
[23:23] <apachelogger> toUtf8 deep-copies from QString already
[23:23] <apachelogger> so you doing qstrdup made that line do *two* string copies there
[23:25] <apachelogger> dantti: sec
[23:25] <dantti> apachelogger: well if I don't qstrdup it does not work :P
[23:25] <apachelogger> because toUtf8 yields a QBA :P
[23:31] <dantti> apachelogger: this doesn't work eithervalues[item] = list.at(item).toUtf8().data();
[23:31] <apachelogger> dantti: http://paste.kde.org/435056/
[23:32] <apachelogger> something like that anyway
[23:32] <apachelogger> as long as you hold the QBA the char** stay valid
[23:32] <apachelogger> dantti: what you pasted cannot work because the memory of data goes kaput once that line is done executing
[23:32] <apachelogger> as the QBA gets deleted
[23:33] <apachelogger> so you need to hold the QBAs of *all* values in your char** for as long as that char** needs to stay around
[23:33] <dantti> apachelogger: I know to UTf8 yields a QBA but using data() will return a char *
[23:33] <apachelogger> yes
[23:33] <apachelogger> of the memory inside the QBA
[23:33] <apachelogger> it won't do a copy
[23:33] <apachelogger> which is what my function uses
[23:34] <apachelogger> there is one string copy per value, which is the one from QString->QByteArray
[23:34] <apachelogger> then we simply hold those QBAs around to keep the char** data valid
[23:35] <apachelogger> actually my function could throw a qbaList->reserve(list.size()); somewhere in at the beginning
[23:35] <apachelogger> then the qbaList doesn't constantly need to resize either (with many entries)
[23:37] <apachelogger> also I forgot null termination ^^
[23:38] <apachelogger> dantti: http://paste.kde.org/435062/
[23:38] <apachelogger> that should be about right now
[23:40] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/435068/
[23:40] <apachelogger> called something like that
[23:41] <dantti> apachelogger: so, if I do toUtf8().data() it will delete the string because it will go out of scope right?
[23:41] <apachelogger> yes
[23:41] <apachelogger> just use my function already :P
[23:41] <apachelogger> and don't forget to add my copyright :P
[23:41] <dantti> paste it then :P
[23:41] <apachelogger> see pastes from above
[23:42] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh it probably also needs ported to python 3 next cycle
[23:42] <apachelogger> dantti: might need some fixing though ... I did not actually compile it :)
[23:42] <Riddell> although so does our pykde packages
[23:43] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll look what I’m able to do
[23:43] <apachelogger> dantti: the idea should be visible though, we simply use the constData (i.e. internal data of the QBA) in the const char **, we ensure the QBAs stay around by putting them in a list, once that list is deleted/goes out of scope the data is deleted and all we need to do is remove the pointer itself
[23:44] <apachelogger> I doubt you'll get much more performant than that... unless you manually conver the 16bit QChar* of QString in which case you'd not need the QBAList but about 300 more lines of code ;)
[23:44] <apachelogger> s/conver/convert/g
[23:44] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "I doubt you'll get much more performant than that... unless you manually convert the 16bit QChar* of QString in which case you'd not need the QBAList but about 300 more lines of code ;)"
[23:45] <dantti> apachelogger: and it crashes :P
[23:45] <apachelogger> the function might need pimping
[23:45] <apachelogger> dantti: please paste your code
[23:45] <dantti> apachelogger: I changed constData() to data()
[23:46] <apachelogger> why?
[23:46] <dantti> apachelogger: since it was not building
[23:46] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:46] <apachelogger> that cups function wants char**?
[23:46] <apachelogger> wtf
[23:46] <dantti> >> /home/daniel/code/print-manager/libqcups/KCupsConnection.cpp:96:32: erro: invalid conversion from ‘const char*’ to ‘char*’ [-fpermissive]
[23:46] <apachelogger> well, I dunno what line that is ^^
[23:46] <apachelogger> dantti: please paste the entire file eitherway
[23:46] <dantti> no your qstrs.dfsdfs() wants
[23:47] <dantti> apachelogger: http://privatepaste.com/caf6542fe3
[23:47] <apachelogger> am I off by one?
[23:47] <apachelogger> of course I am
[23:47] <dantti> line 96 fails to build
[23:47] <apachelogger>     ptr[list.size() + 1] = 0;
[23:47] <apachelogger> ptr[list.size()] = 0;
[23:48] <apachelogger> way too late for char** magic really :)
[23:48] <apachelogger> ah
[23:48] <apachelogger> my bad
[23:48] <apachelogger>     char **ptr = new char*[list.size() + 1];
[23:48] <apachelogger> should be
[23:48] <apachelogger>     const char **ptr = new char*[list.size() + 1];
[23:48] <apachelogger> then it should be working
[23:48] <apachelogger> I think
[23:49] <apachelogger> though it doesn't matter whether you use const char and constData or char and data, the function implicitly makes it const char** on return anyway
[23:49] <apachelogger> what probably crashed it was the off-by-one
[23:50] <dantti> I was also newing the values again :P
[23:50] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/435080/
[23:51] <apachelogger> dantti: newing the values?
[23:51] <apachelogger> too much new :P
[23:51] <dantti> values = new
[23:51] <apachelogger> oh ^^
[23:51] <apachelogger> qStringListToCharPtrPtr really shoudl creturn const char **
[23:51] <apachelogger> otherwise it is misleading
[23:52] <dantti> apachelogger: http://privatepaste.com/6377a5b428
[23:52] <dantti> not working either....
[23:52] <apachelogger> unless the ipp thing requires char **
[23:52] <apachelogger> in which case it is rubbish
[23:52] <apachelogger> dantti: what's the error?
[23:52] <apachelogger> oh, crash?
[23:52] <apachelogger> if so, where?
[23:52] <dantti> apachelogger: there are no errors, it simple doesn't the data
[23:53] <apachelogger> for (int i = 0; i < list.size(); ++i) {
[23:53] <apachelogger>     kDebug() << values[i];
[23:53] <apachelogger> }
[23:54] <apachelogger> oh
[23:54] <apachelogger> /                    values[list.size()] = '\0';
[23:54] <apachelogger> it needs a \0 termination?
[23:54] <apachelogger> it = cups
[23:54]  * dantti things it's not dunno
[23:55] <dantti> lol
[23:55] <apachelogger> curious, try the kdebug then
[23:55] <apachelogger> or qdebug, whatever makes sense
[23:55] <dantti> I think cups is not copying the strings...
[23:55] <apachelogger> see if there is sane values in values
[23:56] <apachelogger> oh
[23:56] <apachelogger>  The fix is simple here: when
[23:56] <apachelogger> its last argument is not NULL and the tag IPP_TAG_COPY is present, the
[23:56] <apachelogger> well that is the case
[23:56] <apachelogger> dantti: check if the values are valid please
[23:56] <apachelogger> so we can rule out the new function is failing
[23:57] <apachelogger> oh
[23:57] <apachelogger> (IPP_TAG_URI | IPP_TAG_COPY)
[23:57] <apachelogger> that should be & not |
[23:57] <apachelogger> eh
[23:57] <apachelogger> no
[23:57] <apachelogger> man
[23:57] <apachelogger> I really should go to bed ^^
[23:58] <dantti> apachelogger: http://privatepaste.com/a43e5d3f9c
[23:58] <dantti> the array is strange....
[23:58] <apachelogger> why?
[23:59] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm with const it works http://privatepaste.com/f99e349030
[23:59] <apachelogger> told ya
[23:59] <apachelogger> const ftw :P


[09:42] <kvarley> Does anybody know why my regex isn't working? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5657565/
[10:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:55] <popey> $morning
[12:01] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey
[13:05] <joan>  Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMS                  Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.7.0-7-generic cannot be found.
[13:05] <joan> Please install the linux-headers-3.7.0-7-generic package,
[13:05] <joan> or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located
[13:05] <joan> should I install them?
[13:35] <BigRedS> joan: yeah; you'll need linux-headers-3.7.0-7-generic
[17:55] <ging> does anyone know what the best way to actually see what is going on with dns resolvers on ubuntu 12.04, resolv.conf points at localhost some it must be running some sort of internal dns server
[17:59] <BigRedS> ging: what's your actual problem? You suspect it's using the wrong nameservers?
[18:00] <BigRedS> There's a tool called something like dnstracer that'll show the path followd to get to the authoritative server if that's what you're looking for
[18:00] <ging> BigRedS: just slow connections which i think are down to dns settings
[18:00] <BigRedS> it's in the repos
[18:00] <ging> but i can't actually see them they are managed by something
[18:01] <ging> i think i may have resolvers from vpns i am not connected to mixed into my settings
[18:02] <ging> yeah dnstracer shows it trying to use a resolver from a vpn
[18:03] <ging> i had a vpnc vpn open which is now disconnected
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Running just X + minimal browser + VLC on modern hardware = FAST
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> no heavy X "session" stuff going on
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> just 3 clients :)
[19:22] <AlanBell> ging: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[19:30] <ging> thank AlanBell
[19:48] <DJones> Heh, had to laugh at this https://twitter.com/TheLazyDog_/status/317720134707990529/photo/1
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> laugh, or cry?
[19:54] <DJones> Probably both to be honest
[20:14] <popey> evening all
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[21:04] <Sugarat> oh damn.  Now the HDMI sound has packed up
[22:14] <Sugarat> My HDMI sound output was working earlier, now its stopped..  Can anyone advise please?
[22:39] <Sugarat> Sugarat
[22:52] <ali1234> i seriously wish all people who cry about forks would just stop making open source software
[22:52] <ali1234> also please stop using it too
[22:53]  * Azelphur points at wayland
[22:57]  * popey wonders if ali1234 is talking about Northfield & Norwood
[22:58] <mungbean> baby not stopped whinging snf crying for 4 hrs... give me computers any day
[22:59] <zleap> lol
[22:59] <mungbean> trying sleep vids on youtube
[22:59] <mungbean> and white noise
[23:00] <popey> we had problems getting sam to sleep, i used to just walk around in his room holding him, pacing back and forth
[23:00] <popey> actually probably sophie, not sam
[23:00] <popey> I had a Palm IIIx and read loads of books on it at the time
[23:02] <mungbean> first 5 mins of peace in 2 hrs since putting this one on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOJJRQqj8k
[23:02] <ali1234> yeah that's some classic passive-agressive open source developer BS right there
[23:03] <mungbean> still have a palm m505 somwehere
[23:05] <ali1234> imagine if someone packaged northfield and consort for fenris linux
[23:07] <popey> "Be careful don't watch this if you want drive a car because there is brain waves to make you sleep"
[23:07] <popey> wat
[23:07] <ali1234> lol are you watching ASMR videos popey?
[23:07] <ali1234> i thought i had seen everything on the internet, then i found that
[23:08] <popey> not me
[23:08]  * popey points ali1234 at mungbean
[23:08] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT7EpmFGpO8
[23:11] <mungbean> ali1234: thats for pervs
[23:11] <mungbean> nail and other fetishists
[23:11] <mungbean> my one id like playing osmos
[23:13] <mungbean> less asmr , more sopophoric
[23:14] <mungbean> dont wanna have to resort to whale music
[23:17] <ali1234> mungbean: that's an easy assumption to make, but you are in fact incorrect as best as i can tell
[23:17] <popey> ok, just watched some of one where the woman was just whispering and talking about lipstick
[23:17] <popey> quite odd
[23:18] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T4pNCuLiywU#!
[23:21] <ali1234> sgcollins has a good take on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TZdaqmz44M
[23:21] <popey> oh i like him
[23:23] <mungbean> ali1234: but did you read the comments?
[23:23] <mungbean> u is beautful etc
[23:24] <ali1234> people read youtube comments?
[23:27] <BigRedS> I use JWZ's thingy that means I'm never even tempted
[23:27] <mungbean> allegedly it is the "thoracic lock"
[23:28] <ali1234> incidentally you're supposed to listen to these videos on headphones
[23:28] <ali1234> if it wasn't obvious :)
[23:34] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqCXFVvYvM
[23:34] <popey> surprised that hasn't had more views
[23:34] <gebbione>  / #zftalk
[23:35] <gebbione>  /j #zftalk
[23:35] <popey> although it set off a reaction in me that i found hard to supress
[23:35] <popey> that i felt he was doing it wrong ☺
[23:37] <mungbean> did i just watch a video of bacon? why?
[23:38] <mungbean> overdone it. and dont use a metal utensil
[23:39] <ali1234> well he's using a frying pan so yeah
[23:40] <ali1234> the correct way to cook streaky bacon is in the over between two metal trays
[23:41] <mungbean> i only eat regular unsmoked non streaky
[23:43] <mungbean> i also found star turtle useful for babies sleeping
[23:44] <mungbean> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cloud-b-7323-ZZ-Twilight-Turtle/dp/B000BNQC58
[23:44] <mungbean> projects stars onto ceiling, very relaxing
[23:47] <penguin42> mungbean: didn't fancy a headless teddy then? ( http://www.suck.uk.com/products/teddybearlamp/ )
[23:48] <popey> ali1234: between two metal trays? like two identical trays stacked with bacon in the middle?
[23:48] <ali1234> popey: yes
[23:48] <ali1234> this keeps the bacon perfectly flat :)
[23:50] <mungbean> how odd penguin42
[23:50] <mungbean> tryiing womb noises now
[23:51] <popey> hmm, interesting, never tried that
[23:52] <popey> seen USians talk about bacon presses which look like old irons
[23:52] <popey> i will have to try this
[23:53] <mungbean> i used to grill my bacon but after cooking chickens, i got fat on the element and it just smokes ehrn grill is on :(
[23:53] <mungbean> btw have you guys tried sugru yet?
[23:54] <popey> i have some yeah
[23:54] <ali1234> i use milliput instead
[23:55] <popey> fixed two iphone charge cables and the clothes airer
[23:59] <mungbean> http://bruxy.regnet.cz/web/linux/EN/bash-nyan-cat
[23:59] <mungbean> miiliput is good for scale models
[23:59] <mungbean> but sugru is rubbery


[10:28] <nono0> I'm getting this error Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar Branch Format 7 (needs bzr 1.6)\n'
[10:28] <nono0> on my server
[10:28] <nono0> when I push a project from my devmachine to the server
[10:28] <nono0> server is older ubuntu or debian
[10:28] <nono0> How can I push a project in lower bazaar format?
[10:41] <nono0> anybody here?
[10:41] <nono0> bzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar Branch Format 7 (needs bzr 1.6)\n'
[11:25] <maxb> nono0: Well the obvious question... are you using bzr 1.6 or better
[11:26] <nono0> i installed via backports
[13:20] <Peng> nono0: That's not an answer.
[13:31] <nono0> the newest
[13:31] <nono0> thanxs for helping
[18:20] <Mannan> Hi, I have a bazaar v2.0.0 running on ubuntu server(8.10) and i am trying to checkout bazaar from external network(outside) using the following command.
[18:20] <Mannan> bzr co bzr+ssh://username@domainname/repository-path project-name
[18:20] <Mannan> after connecting, it is hanging at the middle stage and appearing like[############/ ] 119KB 31KB/s Fetching revisions: Inserting stream
[18:21] <Mannan> I have ufw firewall running on my ubuntu server and allowed SSH,HTTP,HTTPS ports....I am able to do checkout internally, but, if i try checkout from external it gets hanging..is any default bazaar port there?...Do i need to allow any other ports add into my ufw firewall...
[18:25] <Mannan> is any body there reply.....
[18:28] <fullermd> Well, I'm not really here, I'm running out the door.
[18:29] <fullermd> But the ssh port is all bzr+ssh needs.  Are you sure it's hung, and not just working hard at something?
[18:29] <fullermd> That's a common symptom if it's trying to convert revs to a different format on the fly; e.g., if you init-repo'd (and created a 2a repo) locally, and are branching into it from a branch that's in an older format.
[18:29] <fullermd> If that's the case, try checking it out outside a repo.
[18:29]  * fullermd scoots.
[18:30] <Mannan> s..its getting hang at the middle
[18:30] <Mannan> but, if i turn off ufw , then, i am able to chekout externally
[18:31] <Mannan> but, how its working internally
[18:32] <Mannan> even if i turn on ufw firewall
[18:32] <Mannan> r u there fullermd?


[01:21] <goku253> hello
[01:21] <maxb> hi
[01:22] <goku253> cookie
[01:23] <goku253> cookie
[02:10] <slangasek> what's the current recommend means of reporting about an oops?
[02:10] <slangasek> +ed
[02:11] <slangasek> just file a bug against LP?
[02:19] <james_w> I believe so
[02:22] <slangasek> alrighty
[02:22] <lifeless> yup
[02:23] <slangasek> filed then :)
[02:25] <lifeless> duped :)
[02:25] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.tag=timeout may be a useful search for you
[02:25] <lifeless> slangasek: ^
[02:25] <slangasek> ah, thanks :)
[19:59] <yofel> are launchpad internal downloads (like being used as a build-dep for other packages) counted in the PPA binary package download stats too?
[20:00] <lifeless> I think so
[20:00] <yofel> ah ok
[20:04] <lifeless> we process the apache log files
[20:04] <lifeless> I don't /think/ we exclude datacentre originated requests
[22:55] <Omega> Is there something wrong with the Launchpad Login Service right now? I can't log into AskUbuntu.
[22:55] <Omega> I get the same problem as they had here: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/802/launchpad-openid-not-working-for-login-on-askubuntu
[23:04] <lifeless> there isn't a launchpad login service
[23:04] <lifeless> its all login.ubuntu.com
[23:04] <lifeless> which the #canonical-isd channel supports IIRC
[23:05] <Omega> Thank you.


[02:22] <Unknown_User> Kubuntu 15.10 fails to accept nr_inodes=0 as a valid tmpfs mount option, but Kubuntu 15.04 *and* my Gentoo systems running a 4.2 and 4.0 kernel accept the option. Is this the wrong place to complain about this issue?
[02:23] <Unknown_User> (The Linux kernel tmpfs documentation has declared nr_inodes=0 to be a valid option for *ages*.)
[03:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://kubuntu.org/news/jonathan-riddell-stands-down-as-release-manager-of-kubuntu
[03:42] <belos> who did I meet today at SeaGL?
[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:19] <lordievader> belos: valorie or sgclark perhaps? Thought they went there.
[12:05] <amichair> do you guys know about the bug in the 15.10 upgrade installer? It seems to crash (python GUI exception) when it encounters modified configuration files, something like that
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hey all
[15:39] <belos> lordievader: yes that sounds right
[15:40] <belos> valorie / sgclark: hi :)
[15:40] <lordievader> ;)
[20:19] <MichaelTunnell> hello, how do I make a feature request for a future release of Kubuntu? There is a feature in KDE that used to exist but a developer decided to remove it just because he doesn't like it. He also refuses to listen to anyone about putting it back and just tells people to contact their distros. Anyway, how can I request that a KWin feature be put into Kubuntu?
[20:25] <soee> wat feature ?
[20:25] <MichaelTunnell> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321190
[20:26] <MichaelTunnell> essentially the ability to close windows with middle click in present windows
[20:27] <MichaelTunnell> his only reason he ever provided was "it's destructive" and of course it is because that is the point. He then said this and I don't see how anyone could pretend this is a good point "So yes you configured it, but what if a friend who doesn't know about it uses your computer?"
[20:27] <MichaelTunnell> the long thread eventually ended with him telling people he doesnt care what you think and even if the KDE Design Group told him to put it back he would only consider it
[20:31] <soee> ah the discussion was with Martin, i'm sure he hasd good reasons to remove it
[20:32] <soee> i doub't Kubuntu will reimplement it, but kwin is extensible through plugins so if someone create one, than you should just be able to install it
[20:32] <MichaelTunnell> I told you the reasons he gave
[20:32] <MichaelTunnell> "So yes you configured it, but what if a friend who doesn't know about it uses your computer?"
[20:34] <MichaelTunnell> Martin's reasons were incredibly poor and he refused to address the fact that the feature was "Only on for people who chose it." He pretended it hurt people even though no one would use it if they didn't want it.
[20:34] <MichaelTunnell> and if they did turn it on, closed something to realize they don't want it anymore, they just go back and turn it off. Problem solved
[20:35] <MichaelTunnell> the removal of it is baseless and absurd
[20:35] <soee> MichaelTunnell: ok i know, but as i said i doubt Kubuntu will reimplement it. Also remember that Plasma developers decided to mak ePlasma 5 more clear = some features were removed (like virtual desktops) and people just need to accept it
[20:36] <soee> it maks some people angry but remember it is a free software and you can't expect that devs will what users want :)
[20:36] <soee> i think there should be some site were users could vote for some features
[20:36] <soee> and the one most requeted could be implemented
[20:36] <MichaelTunnell> accepting of cleaning experience is fine but removal of something that affects no one except those who want it is appalling and he did it before Plasma 5 was started. This is a very old bug report.
[20:37] <MichaelTunnell> yea that would be a nice site to have voting for features would be great
[20:37] <soee> MichaelTunnell: wait till mondat and i'm try to convinve other devs to bring it back if you think it is som important
[20:37] <soee> catch them on #plasma
[20:37] <MichaelTunnell> so wait a second, Plasma 5 doesn't have virtual desktops? KDE DOES WHAAAT?!
[20:37] <soee> marting also sists there often
[20:38] <soee> MichaelTunnell: sory i was thinking about different wallpapers for each VD
[20:39] <MichaelTunnell> its not an issue of it being important, it is an issue of it being useful to those who want it and hurtful to no one. Martin made a trash decision in removing it and his refusal to even discuss it is appalling.
[20:39] <MichaelTunnell> soee: lol ok that was confusing for a second
[20:40] <soee> MichaelTunnell: i think we can't do here more, as i said you can try to talk with other devs :-) maybe they can have some influance on Martin if you convince them
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> yea the different wallpaper thing is not a big deal and doesn't provide any usability benefits or negativity with removal
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> is fuchs a dev?
[20:40] <soee> fuchs ?
[20:42] <MichaelTunnell> thats a username on the thread and I've seen it in many other places, just curious if you knew but sounds like you dont know so no worries :)
[20:43] <MichaelTunnell> I will certainly bring it up to the other developers in plasma then because it is not about the feature exactly at this point, more Martin's stubbornness and attitude. He seriously said in the thread that he knows whats best for users more than they do.
[20:43] <MichaelTunnell> Homey Dont Play Dat
[20:44] <MichaelTunnell> thats a very old In Living Color reference by the way :)
[21:08] <murthy> ffmpegthumbs are not detected by dolphin. I read in a forum that ffmpegthumbs master merged with the latest update branch.  I compiled from master and it also didn't work. what should be my next step


[13:20] <dinth> is rhythmbox in Ubuntu patched (or have some plugin) to support indicator-sound ?
[13:20] <dinth> or indicator-sound controls rhythmbox on its own ?
[13:23] <dinth> also i want to announce that im porting Ayatana to Archlinux - maybe somebody here will be intrested. here is official thread: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=780532
[23:06] <ShroudedCloud> Anyone here to ask a quick question about a bug with Empathy/Notifications?


[07:53] <bkerensa> wxl: heads up I talked to they guy squatting Ubuntu Oregon domain he says domain expires in October and he has no plans to renew
[17:18] <wxl> bkerensa: rad. i had planned on checking back augustish.
[19:14] <bkerensa> wxl: whats your plans for LFNW?
[20:35] <wxl> bkerensa: haven't figured it out yet!
[21:17] <sgclark> wxl: we should probably sort out soon (LFNW)
[21:17] <sgclark> sort it*
[21:21] <wxl> sgclark: yeah i know, and oscon hasn't written me back yet. i may have to call them.
[21:21] <wxl> my buddy and i were really talking about taking bikes on the train
[21:22] <sgclark> ahh ok, apologies :)
[21:25] <wxl> sgclark: no need to apologize! he always takes me to oscon so i want to drag him to lfnw with me XD
[21:26] <sgclark> :)
[21:27] <wxl> sgclark: however, if he doesn't go, i'll probably figure something else out
[21:30] <sgclark> we don't have a table?
[21:30] <wxl> um, we don't?! we shoudl!
[21:30] <wxl> i set everything up (afaik) with lfnw
[21:30] <sgclark> valorie mentioned perhap the wa and or should do a combo table or something
[21:30] <sgclark> ok
[21:30] <sgclark> cool
[21:30] <wxl> yeah i've heard that mentioned too
[21:30] <wxl> and i said i was totally fine with that
[21:30] <sgclark> yeah I will be bouncing back in forth with ours and kde (valorie)
[21:30] <wxl> but did express the desire to be close to the kubuntu table :)
[21:31] <wxl> OH s/kubuntu/kde/
[21:31] <sgclark> I did not end up getting a kubuntu specific table,
[21:31] <sgclark> need more hours in a day lol, so much to keep track of
[21:33] <wxl> man i wish the keep above others wasn't so deep in the context menu on kwin
[21:33] <wxl> yeah well i know the feeling
[21:33] <wxl> i'm just glad 14.04.2 is over
[21:33]  * wxl rolls eyes
[21:33] <sgclark> yeah
[23:41] <wxl> sgclark: do you know if all kde shortcuts are hidden in one particular file?


[02:03] <Trevinho> Mhmh... I thought that sync could do that automatically for me (ehm, sorry if I tried too many times), but at this point...  No rush
[05:32] <Mirv> robru: looks good! :) I'll take a good look and reply a bit later
[05:39] <robru> Mirv: thanks, goodnight!
[05:39] <Mirv> robru: goodnight!
[07:25] <michi> Sigh, my silo build is toast: No space left on device
[07:25] <michi> Not just mine, by the looks of things...
[07:31] <pstolowski> hey trainguards, problem with silo 44 - "failed to write (No space left on device)"
[07:36] <robru> pstolowski: try again? I think it's being a bit temperamental
[07:36] <robru> Mirv: ^^ if this happens again, try contacting IS. looks like /var/cache/pbuilder is a bit big at 5.6GBs: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/cyphermox-test/1063/consoleFull
[07:43] <pstolowski> robru, that was a second try
[07:43] <robru> crap
[07:47] <Mirv> robru: ok!
[07:47] <Mirv> trying
[07:47] <robru> Mirv: I recommend asking #webops to delete /var/cache/pbuilder/, it looks like there's two wily images in there somehow. train will regenerate the images on next build.
[07:48] <Mirv> ok
[07:48] <robru> Mirv: uh but then after the pbuilder is deleted only let one build job run. if two build jobs run simultaneously it might make two pbuilder images or break in strange ways
[07:48] <Mirv> hmm
[07:49] <Mirv> I asked now generally over there for the vanguard to look at it
[07:49] <robru> Mirv: I mean just for the first one. once the first build is complete then parallel builds can resume
[07:49] <Mirv> ok
[07:50] <Mirv> webops is a bit busy but will hear more in a few minutes
[07:50] <robru> Mirv: or at least once the first build uploads it's packages
[07:51] <robru> kenvandine: no
[07:51] <robru> kenvandine: ^
[07:51] <kenvandine> no?
[07:51] <robru> kenvandine: no disk space left
[07:51] <kenvandine> damn!
[07:52] <kenvandine> ok...
[07:52] <kenvandine> robru, so it'll fail
[07:52] <robru> Mirv: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/manage I disabled jenkins jobs from running, once disk is freed you can re-enable that here (or sil can do it if you can't do it)
[07:52] <robru> kenvandine: it'll most likely fail. I guess there's no harm in letting that keep running
[07:52] <robru> on the off chance
[07:52] <robru> kenvandine: we're waiting for #webops to free some disk for us
[07:52] <kenvandine> robru, yeah... any eta on freeing?
[07:52] <robru> oh god why am I awake
[07:52] <kenvandine> ok
[07:52] <kenvandine> haha
[07:53] <kenvandine> that's what i was wondering!
[07:53] <robru> kenvandine: webops says "gimme a few minutes"
[07:56] <Mirv> robru: thanks
[07:57] <Mirv> it seems it's a few minutes more still
[07:58] <robru> Mirv: you're welcome. you'll want to click 'cancel shutdown' from that menu in case that wasn't obvious (don't worry, nothing will shut down, it's just in a mode that prevents jobs from running)
[07:59] <Mirv> robru: it was pretty obvious, yes :) I've been kicking jenkins around a bit so I'm not completely unfamiliar.
[08:00] <kenvandine> robru, btw... thanks for the magic in the reconfigure :)
[08:02] <robru> kenvandine: oh this is just the beginning!  I'm working towards making reconfigures not even a thing. You just assign and then changes in bileto reflect in Jenkins live.
[08:02] <robru> Lots of little fiddly things to get sorted on the way though
[08:03] <robru> Mirv: great, hopefully you have permission ;-)
[08:04] <kenvandine> robru, that'd be nice
[08:04] <kenvandine> robru, will you give us a shout out when the disk space issue is resolved?
[08:05] <robru> kenvandine: nah I'm going to bed, maybe Mirv can
[08:05] <kenvandine> ok
[08:05] <kenvandine> good night!
[08:05] <robru> Goodnight!
[08:05] <kenvandine> morning here :)
[08:05] <kenvandine> in london this week
[08:18] <Mirv> kenvandine: I will
[08:18] <kenvandine> Mirv, thx!
[08:18] <Mirv> still no response, I guess the alert is taking vanguard's time
[08:19] <Mirv> vanguard also changed, asking the new one
[08:23] <Mirv> sil2100: so we have train down because of lack of free space, stay tuned, webops are on it
[08:37] <robru> Mirv: I'm still here for some reason, I'll turn jenkins back on and start one build
[08:38] <robru> Mirv: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/view/1.%20Build/job/ubuntu-landing-010-1-build/211/console trying one build, we'll see if it passes now
[08:41] <Mirv> robru: yes I can see you are still here :) you should move to China, then your hours would be fitting!
[08:41] <robru> Mirv: cost of living is better too!
[08:48] <robru> Mirv: so far so good with the wily build I think. just need to see it make the vivid pbuilder and then we'll know
[08:58] <robru> Mirv: ok looks good, 5GBs free even with both vivid and wily pbuilder images
[08:58] <robru> kenvandine: pstolowski: we're back, go ahead with your builds
[08:58] <pstolowski> robru, k, thanks!
[08:58] <robru> pstolowski: you're welcome
[08:59] <robru> ah, only 2AM, must be bedtime
[08:59] <pstolowski> uh
[09:08] <kenvandine> robru, thanks!
[09:10] <sil2100> What is this? Company-wide insomnia? ;)
[09:11] <robru> sil2100: Ken's on London for a sprint. I'm the only one with crippling insomnia
[09:11] <robru> kenvandine: you're welcome
[09:12] <robru> OK I'm going to bed for real
[09:12] <robru> Goodnight everybody!
[09:12] <kenvandine> hehe
[09:12] <sil2100> Yeah, but there's also infinity with his really scary insomnia
[09:12] <sil2100> robru: goodnight!
[09:12] <kenvandine> get some sleep
[09:12] <robru> True
[09:13] <robru> sil2100: whoever is building 20 didn't reconfigure properly, they will be disappointed
[09:15] <robru> sil2100: "preparing packages. Silo ready..." Means "i clicked build before the reconfigure finished and now I'm building with stale config"
[09:16] <robru> Anyways. Really goodnight now!
[09:19] <Mirv> sil2100: I've never understood the timezone infinity lives in anyway, he seems to be 24h
[09:20] <sil2100> boiko: ^
[09:21] <boiko> robru: sil2100: yeah, I clicked the reconfigure before the jenkins down thing, and reconfigured afterwards so I might have built before the second reconfigure finished
[09:22] <boiko> I didn't realize jenkins would save the reconfigure job to run after its reboot
[09:24] <robru> boiko: it didn't reboot, it just disabled running jobs while disk was full
[09:24] <boiko> robru: ah ok, so that was it
[09:25] <robru> boiko: I dunno what you've done now, please cancel the build, wait more than 1s, reconfigure, confirm reconfigure finishes, then rebuild
[09:26] <boiko> robru: ok, I will do that, thanks for the heads up
[09:26] <robru> When a silo has multiple statuses like silo 20 currently has three statuses, it's because jobs are running in parallel
[09:27] <robru> boiko: fortunately this nightmare will soon be over, I'm working towards making it so you never need to reconfigure.
[09:28] <boiko> robru: cool
[09:29] <robru> OK I'm literally in bed now, goodnight again ;-)
[09:31] <Mirv> robru: crazy man
[09:31] <Mirv> we should have a remote switch for robru's internet connection, to cut it off at midnight
[09:31] <robru> Pls no
[09:32] <Mirv> or to be more pleasant, a remote switch to being able to screen -r or whatever he uses for IRC
[09:32] <jibel> sil2100, we are re-running sanity on latest mako, flo and emulator images for OTA6 and we are resuming the landings. We'll start with  48 which was problematic for OTA6
[09:36] <sil2100> jibel: excellent o/
[09:37] <sil2100> Those long night stays for work are bad for everyone, good those only happen for me during the release week
[10:30] <sil2100> jibel: anyway, the arale images look good so far, right?
[10:30] <sil2100> Since I could copy those to the rc channel now
[11:00] <jibel> sil2100, arale, krillin and mako are good. Waiting for results on flo and this emulator crash on wily
[11:00] <sil2100> jibel: if the crash is reproducible, we might need to include it in the release notes as a known issue
[11:02] <jibel> sil2100, yes davmor2 is testing with an updated qemu
[11:06] <davmor2> sil2100, jibel: sorry was on another pc trying it out on vivid when I found out there was an update there too, so that is up and running now, and I'll retry here on wily in one second
[11:08] <davmor2> sil2100, jibel: so it is stable on vivid, retrying on wily
[11:40] <Mirv> hello out-of-silos situation, long time no see
[12:07] <sil2100> Mirv: ;)
[12:48] <nik90> jibel: Were you able to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1470308 recently?
[12:50] <jibel> nik90, sometimes, and ouch, I open the clock app, allow the location and the MX4 rebooted :(
[12:51] <nik90> jibel: really strange. Not sure how looking for location would block the UI thread. I will try to reproduce it on my end.
[12:51] <jibel> nik90, I think it depends if there is already a location acquired or not
[12:52] <nik90> jibel: Are there any other apps that ask for location access on app startup? I know camera-app used to do that.
[12:52] <jibel> nik90, osmtouch
[12:52] <jibel> googlemaps and here are web based
[12:53] <nik90> jibel: ok. Will test with osmtouch as well
[13:04] <sil2100> bzoltan_, Mirv: do you guys know if this silo is still needed? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=ubuntu%2Flanding-049
[13:05] <bzoltan_> sil2100: I pass it to Mirv
[13:07] <balloons> ping cihelp. Can I get utopic removed from ubuntu-filemanager-app-ci and ubuntu-filemanager-app-ci-autolanding?
[13:10] <sil2100> brb in a moment
[13:17] <Mirv> bzoltan_: it's your silo, don't pass it to me ;)
[13:17] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  I give it to you.. .do not ya say I never give you anything
[13:18] <Mirv> sil2100: it's bzoltan's "late" gles landing split into wily + vivid because the gles twin package without the main package didn't really work out in bzoltan's first silo
[13:18] <Mirv> bzoltan_: how generous!
[13:18] <Mirv> sil2100: it's basically waiting for QA to review the vivid silo, if ok then publish both (047 + 049)
[13:24] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  how truze
[13:27] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  of course the funny twist is that the silo49 has a wily UITK-gles :) and so I need to test it with the wily emulator ... what might be disfunctional for a dozen of unknown reason... might be. I will see in 10 mins
[13:29] <josepht> balloons: I'm on it
[13:30] <Mirv> bzoltan_: well as long as you test the vivid 047 emulator it should be indicative of the update's quality.
[13:31] <Mirv> bzoltan_: with luck though wily emulator works too since the wily image works.. maybe some of the tricks just done not yet there though, I'm not sure if Mir is up-to it since wily has 0.15.0 which maybe didn't have this hotfix
[13:31] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  that is what I mean... for example
[14:09] <bzoltan_> Mirv: as I was afraid the wily emulator does not show much.. black screen only
[14:32] <Mirv> bzoltan_: well check the vivid then and mark that at least ready. if it works, we can probably assume the identical wily release is good enough too.
[14:32] <Mirv> bzoltan_: the wily problem is probably the mir fix lagging behind there
[14:33] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  well at least the silo49 does not make it worst :)
[15:08] <sil2100> jibel, pmcgowan: I will have to jump out in 30 minutes to drive my girl to a doctor's appointment - leave me a message about the OTA tests results and I'll release once I'm back
[15:11] <jibel> sil2100, arale upgrade passed, krillin in progress
[15:11] <sil2100> \o/
[15:24]  * sil2100 brb
[16:09] <davmor2> jibel: sil2100: krillin upgrades too \o/
[16:10] <jibel> davmor2, awesome, I'll send the testing report and that's be it for OTA6
[16:10] <davmor2> \o/
[18:08] <robru> Trevinho: the sources field is for sources that aren't defined by your MPs. The sources you specified in silo 56 are redundant to the MPs you've given. I'll fix it, but just for future reference don't do that.
[18:09] <Trevinho> robru: ok, thanks... It was my first experience which such issue (and landing), so I wasn't sure :)
[18:09] <Trevinho> (issue = not synced down and upstream)
[18:13] <robru> Trevinho: right, and in this case what you've done is fine since it was just a no-change you're overwriting. but generally if somebody uploads to distro you need to sync it back to trunk, what you've done is effectively erased the manual upload that went to distro.
[18:13] <Trevinho> robru: I asked to sil2100, that's why I did that
[18:14] <robru> Trevinho: yeah it's fine in this case, you should just understand that you have "synced" anything at all, you've just clobbered all over steve's work, that's all.
[18:15] <robru> Trevinho: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-056-2-publish/5/artifact/ubuntu-push-qml_content.diff/*view*/ this diff shows what you removed.
[18:29] <jibel> Thanks for pushing the buttons sil2100, I'm glad this release is out!
[18:35] <sil2100> jibel: big thanks to you guys for testing!
[18:35] <sil2100> Took a bit longer since I had to modify the phasing scripts
[18:35] <sil2100> Since now we actually phase more than one channel...
[18:51] <balloons> josepht, how's the core apps filemanager changes coming along?
[19:10] <robru> sil2100: you still around?
[19:10] <sil2100> robru: yeah, what's up?
[19:11] <robru> sil2100: I made some changes at https://requests.ci-train.staging.ubuntu.com can you check that they're ok? ;-)
[19:11] <sil2100> Oh oh!
[19:13] <sil2100> robru: I'm thinking about, generally I like it - first thing I like the reordering of fields, it makes much more sense like this
[19:13] <robru> sil2100: thanks
[19:14] <sil2100> robru: the additional controls are also nice and I think they can be like that too
[19:14] <josepht> balloons: thanks for reminding me.  I've approved the MP and will redeploy the jobs once it's merged.
[19:14] <sil2100> First I thought: hmm, those might annoy after a while, but on second thought it's  still good
[19:14] <robru> sil2100: the trick is really to declutter the page, I hope the hover behavior isn't too mysterious
[19:19] <robru> sil2100: next step: I'm going to add a view that shows all requests that require some kind of trainguard action
[19:19] <robru> eg everything that is publishable
[19:19] <robru> but first, lunch
[19:19] <sil2100> robru: oh, that would be convinient
[19:19] <sil2100> Anyway, good direction so far :)
[19:20] <robru> sil2100: thanks!
[19:36] <josepht> balloons: the filemanager-app jobs have been redeployed and no longer call the utopic jobs
[19:57] <balloons> josepht, thank you. I re-ran and see success
[22:49] <robru> Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/autopilot-qt/wily_fix-unittests/+merge/268990 need this top approved
[22:50] <Trevinho> robru: I know, but there were some concerns about failures, I wanted to wait nuclearbob full approvation
[22:50] <robru> Trevinho: alright no worries, please ping me once it's approved and I can publish
[22:50] <Trevinho> I'm not sure whether those failures are related (they're just rebuilds), but still
[22:50] <Trevinho> robru: ok, thanks
[22:50] <robru> you're welcome
[23:11] <sil2100> It's best to propose landing branches that are already approved by someone usually
[23:14] <Trevinho> sil2100: yeah indeed... But those arrived later, as by landing xpathselect we saw that autopilot-{gtk,qt} had to be rebuilt as well after


[22:26] <Eickmeyer>  We (the Ubuntu Studio team) now have two packages that need sponsoring.  (bug 1829562 and bug 1831154)
[22:26] <Eickmeyer> Somebody PLEASE take a look at these.
[23:16] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: can I suggest you ask on ubuntu-devel@ please?
[23:16] <rbasak> I would look if nobody else can, but I'm not around for a while.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: I did.
[23:17] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: but if you're struggling on IRC, I suggest the MLs because the request is a little less ephemeral then.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: It just seems like I'm getting ignored no matter where I post.
[23:17] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: I don't see a post?
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: In the past, I mean.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> Do you suggest ubuntu-motu ML, ubuntu-release ML, and/or ubuntu-devel?
[23:19] <rbasak> I suggest ubuntu-devel@ as it's a general "sponsorship queue needs attention" call too, but ubuntu-motu@ is also appropriate. Email both if you wish.
[23:19] <rbasak> I see that Steve sponsored lsp-plugins for you?
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> He did, but it's sitting in the NEW queue. Just... sitting.
[23:21] <rbasak> That needs archive admin attention, so ubuntu-release@ is appropriate for that.
[23:21] <rbasak> Unfortunately the number of people who can do these reviews is limited, and the same people tend to be swamped with work :-/
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> Also, I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong because these packages I've marked for sponsorship aren't even showing up in the sponsorship queue.
[23:22] <rbasak> Add Ubuntu as an affected project - that's probably it.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> Okay, will do.
[23:24] <rbasak> It would also help if you explained in the bugs why you aren't going via Debian (if due to buster freeze that's understandable but that'd be my immediate question so it's useful to anticipate and answer these questions in advance)
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, the buster freeze is a big part of it.
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> For ubuntustudio-menu-add, that's a native package. Needs not be in Debian.
[23:27] <rbasak> That makes sense
[23:27] <rbasak> Anyway I hope that's helpful.
[23:27]  * rbasak disappears again
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: Thanks. :)


[23:15]  * AlanBell pokes akgraner with an immutable page
[23:32] <akgraner> hey AlanBell just logged back in  - what's up?


[01:30] <bkerensa> jbicha: yo
[10:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:10] <bkerensa> Anyone know who we would need to get to look at this bug?
[10:10] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1054460
[10:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054460 in software-center "Error 500 while purchasing" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[10:10] <bkerensa> basically purchases are not working it seems to be a error on one of canonicals servers versus software-center itself
[10:10] <bkerensa> ?
[10:11] <bkerensa> canonical IS maybe?
[10:16] <elfy> if it's one of the canonical servers - that would make sense I guess
[10:30] <czajkowski> balloons: asked someone who works on it
[10:30] <czajkowski> wil find out
[10:40] <elfy> hi czajkowski
[10:40] <czajkowski> elfy: hi
[10:40] <czajkowski> elfy: you're in the UK right ?
[10:40] <elfy> yep
[10:41] <czajkowski> elfy: so why aren't you in the -uk channel :)
[10:41] <elfy> I used to be from time to time - tbh I got fed up with it - when I was in there there was a lot of whining - I've got kids to give me that :)
[10:42] <elfy> must be at least 18 months ago though
[10:44] <elfy> I lied - 15 minutes in May ;)
[10:44] <czajkowski> elfy: ah well it's a lot more chatty
[10:44] <czajkowski> could have been a bad day
[10:44] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[10:44] <elfy> yep - I tend to shrug a lot at IRC too
[10:45] <czajkowski> think you'll find similar in most channels and main ubuntu channel
[10:45] <czajkowski> was just curious you being here and not there
[10:45] <elfy> at least -uk is not like club-ubuntu lol
[11:00] <czajkowski> bkerensa: ticket has been pointed to the relevant people, wont be looked at till monday though.
[11:01] <james_w> bkerensa, I can't see the error reports for that service, but I'll make sure someone takes a look. It doesn't seem to be a complete failure of the service for everyone though, so it's not an IS issue, more likely a failure due to something in that person's account, so it will fall to devs
[11:02] <james_w> bkerensa, if you know them they can email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for support, I'm not sure why it suggests webmaster@, I've filed a bug to change that.
[11:04] <czajkowski> james_w: elo :)
[11:05] <james_w> hi czajkowski
[11:06] <czajkowski> no rest for the wicked even at the weekend it seems :)
[11:06] <james_w> couldn't sleep, might as well make use of the time :-)
[11:24] <bkerensa> james_w: I do not know them I was just triaging
[11:24]  * bkerensa rushes to bed
[11:24] <bkerensa> :D
[11:24] <bkerensa> 4:24am and all
[22:51] <bkerensa> People do not seem too happy about the Amazon suggestions in Unity
[22:52] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: are those the ones that pop up every time I'm shopping online?
[22:52] <bkerensa> lol
[22:52] <bkerensa> no
[23:24] <IdleOne> bkerensa: people have already decided that it is going to be horrible, they are ordering flowers for Canonical's funeral.
[23:26] <IdleOne> I wish Canonical was more vocal about changes like this so that we could at least have an official source of info about how things are going to be changed.
[23:42] <bkerensa> IdleOne: :P
[23:43] <bkerensa> IdleOne: I sense sarcasm
[23:45] <jbicha> IdleOne: Canonical doesn't have much of a PR presence. Let's hope that enough revenue comes in from 12.10 so that they can invest in that


[12:04] <rebrec> hi
[12:05] <rebrec> i would like to use cloud-init on my vcenter infrastructure. Is there a way to do this without using the iso provisionning thing ? i expect to disable cloud-init auto start and run it from the cli with a config file passed as parameter


[00:46] <bluesabre> Unit193, guessing that means if we put one together, we could move it along?
[00:53] <Unit193> I believe he wanted something a little less manual, but I've had http://paste.openstack.org/show/MpLwGUyhnuW4q27DrsIY for a while now.
[01:38] <bluesabre> Unit193, I seem to be unable to join #debian-xfce... did it move or something strange?
[01:38] <bluesabre> or am I there and my client is being funky
[01:38] <Unit193> You're not identified, it is +r
[01:39] <bluesabre> oh
[01:39] <bluesabre> dang
[01:55] <bluesabre> Unit193, I think that migration script seems reasonable
[02:00] <Unit193> It's not the fastest, and I'd add vars so one can switch direction too.  "Problem" is that it doesn't import the first time you use the xfconf backend, soo..
[02:00]  * Unit193 shurgs.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer> Hi Xubuntu friends! Ubuntu Studio is in danger of disappearing as a flavor. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2019-March/002428.html We need help, desperately, and it has to be a MOTU at this time.


[14:54] <balloons> ready time! we;re close now!
[14:58] <popey> \o/
[15:00] <balloons> everyone ready? We are live!
[15:01] <dholbach> not live here yet
[15:01] <balloons> questions questions questions!
[15:01] <balloons> fire away!
[15:03] <popey> dholbach: now?
[15:03] <dholbach> yep
[15:04] <dholbach> QUESTION: can you talk a bit about which convergence bits are going to land real soon now?
[15:09] <wakawaka_> omg! why is ubuntuonair.com sends me to #juju? when you press that orange button (Join from your IRC Client!)
[15:10] <balloons> whoops! sorry guys!
[15:10] <balloons> we'll fix now
[15:10] <nik90> popey, balloons: It will be a brand new device that they will build to support the convergence feature. Release date was not announced afaik..
[15:11] <popey> sorry!
[15:11] <wakawaka_> np
[15:11] <yoann54> cool
[15:12] <rararara> QUESTION: Will it be possible to flash android on the meizu or bq devices? Also, reflash ubuntu on them?
[15:12] <wakawaka_> someone ate my sandwich :(((
[15:12] <popey> oooops
[15:12] <balloons> please re-type your questions if you asked!
[15:12] <jorik_> QUESTION: Will the Meizu mx4 support the convergence feature it's ready?
[15:12] <rvr> rararara: Yesterday bq released the instructions to flash E4.5: http://www.mibqyyo.com/articulos/2015/06/01/installation-process-ubuntu-android/
[15:13] <wakawaka_> rvr: gg bq!
[15:13] <mhall119> rararara: at least on the Bq Aquaris 4.5 Ubuntu Edition, they removed the Android softkeys from the screen, so flashing Android onto that probably wouldn't work real well
[15:13] <rararara> QUESTION: what would be necessary for a ubuntu phone to support a technology similar to kde connect?
[15:14] <Lexicon> QUESTION: I know Unity 7's days are numbered, but is there a way to hack or workaround Ubuntu 14.04 to make the graphical shutdown prettier? If windows are open on shutdown, they get kind of mangled.
[15:14] <rararara> mhall119: on-screen buttons?
[15:14] <mhall119> rararara: yeah
[15:14] <raslin> are we going to get a sip phone
[15:14] <rararara> rvr: thats awesome!
[15:16] <raslin> Sip phone ?
[15:17] <yoann54> is there tutos to port an angular or meteor js app to ubuntu touch ?
[15:17] <wakawaka_> QUESTION: when will the ubuntu phone run snappy ubuntu core?
[15:19] <djvl> QUESTION: why is the new e5 ubuntu phone not equipped with LTE (4G), coz bq has a model which does?
[15:20] <Silviu> QUESTION: Why did you guy ditched the "Love the bottom edge" design direction from Ubuntu for phones? Ubuntu now has an edge that it's not used all that much, not to mention that there is no longer an exit option for apps.
[15:22] <raslin> hey can you let me know if you are going to create a sip client for ubuntu phone?
[15:22] <tjukkola> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu phone be able to resolve http://runeaudio.local at some point? I think it needs an avahi/bonjour support for that?
[15:23] <justCarakas> QUESTION any update on the today scope and HERE maps app ?
[15:23] <justCarakas> for the nexus 4 and stuff
[15:24] <mhall119> justCarakas: the HERE maps app, or the AGPS provider?
[15:26] <rararara> QUESTION: follow up to the previous question about kde connect: do you plan on running your workstations on the announced bq powerphone? Sorry for passive aggression...
[15:27] <mj_> Can you please let me know when the updates that were announced last week are going to be rolled out?
[15:29] <EzerchE> hi
[15:29] <mj_> I also want to ask when the ubuntu phone is going to be more user friendly. I have spent hours on end to add more ringtones, and I still haven't managed. It's so complicated. When I had an Android device, I just used Zedge and ringtones were added in a few seconds...
[15:29] <justCarakas> mhall119: I want to have a A to B navigation on my nexus 4
[15:29] <EzerchE> Why you removed windows installer from website? It only downloads ISO file. Thanks.
[15:29] <raslin> QUESTION:are you looking at geting a sip client or integration ?
[15:29] <nik90> mj_: which updates are you referring to? Got a link?
[15:29] <justCarakas> mhall119: how doesn't matter to me, I just want it :)
[15:30] <mhall119> justCarakas: there's a separate image channel you should use to get better location data on the N4
[15:32] <mhall119> justCarakas: if you ubuntu-device-flash with ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/here you get the closed-source HERE AGPS provider, which helps you get your location faster
[15:32] <mhall119> there's also a GPS navigation app in the store now that uses OpenStreetMap
[15:32] <mhall119> it's very very alpha though, I'm helping Marcos test it
[15:34] <mhall119> justCarakas: see https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MichaelHall119/posts/JwvjMXrLB4h for more on that app
[15:34] <mj_> these updates: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/phone-updates-may/
[15:37] <Silviu> QUESTION: Is there a serious reason why the notifications for emails, SMS, etc on Ubuntu Touch are in the far left side? When you swipe from the top you need to scroll all the way to the left each time. Notifications seem to be the most used option up there.
[15:37] <nik90> mj_: ah those updates..well many of them will land in OTA-4 which is due for either this or the next week.
[15:38] <mhall119> Silviu: I swipe down from above the notifications icon, takes me right ot it
[15:38] <mhall119> being on the far left, you can even swipe down from anywhere to the left of it
[15:38] <mj_> ok nik90. Thanks
[15:38] <jrwren> really? why not? there are lots of pretty advanced GLES based games on other platforms.
[15:39] <mj_> Can you pls answer my question about the Ubuntu phone being more user friendly?
[15:39] <justCarakas> mhall119: thx :) but that should land in the next couple of weeks on the nexus 4 stable, or not ?
[15:40] <mhall119> mj_: it's very subjective which features are enough to make it "user friendly", so it's hard to say when it will reach that point for you without knowing what specific features you need for that
[15:40] <justCarakas> mhall119: I use ubuntu touch as my main and only phone so I'm not sure if bleeding edge is smart :)
[15:40] <mhall119> justCarakas: I don't think it's planned to land in the Nexus 4 images in the normal channel at all, because it's not open source
[15:41] <mhall119> justCarakas: but I could be wrong, you should ask in #ubuntu-touch about that
[15:41] <Silviu> mhall119: that is a great usage tip. it's been driving me insane.
[15:41] <mj_> @mhall119 - I'm talking about simple tasks like adding more tunes for a ringtone
[15:42] <mhall119> Silviu: do you also know that you can pull down half-way from anywhere, then slide your finger side-to-side to scroll between indicators?
[15:42] <raslin> ohh :(  experia Z
[15:42] <mhall119> mj_: I don't think there's any work in progress on that, so it might be a while
[15:43] <Silviu> mhall119: I know that, I was doing that all the time and it was annoying, having to constantly swipe left whenever I got a message or email
[15:43] <mhall119> Silviu: yeah, swiping down as close to the desired indicator as possible is the fastest/easiest way to get to it
[15:47] <mj_> yes
[15:47] <justCarakas> QUESTION thank you for doing this again at the regular time so I can follow again, yea that was not a question, I lied, I'm sorry :'(
[15:48] <balloons> any further questions? Something we haven't answered?
[15:48] <simion314> QUESTION: is it possible to run the Ubuntu with unity8 in virtualbox?
[15:48] <raslin> question: Bluetooth KBD and mouse. are you going to have a rethink about not supporting
[15:49] <Sid__> could someone please repost the wiki page for the designs made by mpt?
[15:49] <yoann54> a live coding of an ubuntu touch with qt would be nice in future...
[15:50] <mhall119> yoann54: what do you mean by live coding?
[15:51] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[15:52] <simion314> yeah, my machine is on 12.04
[15:54] <Silviu> balloons: this is beyond cool
[15:54] <raslin> my last question ?
[15:55] <rararara> QUESTION: Is qml interpreted every time I launch an app on UT? Or is there some caching going on. Has the app launch time improved?
[15:55] <yoann54> i mean someone that can show how to handle with qt
[15:56] <raslin> thanks
[15:56] <popey> Thanks everyone!
[15:57] <tjukkola> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu phone be able to resolve http://runeaudio.local at some point? I think it needs an avahi/bonjour support for that?
[15:57] <mhall119> raslin: it's Javascript, so it's interpreted. The QML scene-graph is now being cached, which helped app startup quite a bit from where it was originally, and we're still investigating other options to improve startup time
[15:58] <balloons> tjukkola, we answered on the video, but yes. Someone simply needs to make a client for it and it should just work, afawl
[15:58] <balloons> thank you all!
[16:00] <tjukkola> ok. Thanks. Waiting for a client for it.
[21:26] <RWA3> hello?
[22:48] <j3di_> yo
[23:02] <j3di_> hello


[07:17] <Owsla> I'm just stopping by to show my personal appreciation to all those who helped make Ubuntu Mate 18.04 possible. The long hours have paid off in it's innovation and ease of use. Well done and thank you.
[07:42] <TaZeR> no problem
[07:54] <Talikkaf> Indeed much grateful we are here in Finland as well.
[08:51] <kirill> Hi
[12:35] <mate|44398> hello
[12:35] <diogenes_> hello
[12:36] <mate|44398> i need sum halp
[12:36] <mate|44398> TW Details: 978 790 199
[12:37] <mate|44398> 4864
[12:37] <diogenes_> nope, don't do that
[12:37] <mate|44398> Why
[12:37] <diogenes_> just explain the problem
[12:37] <mate|44398> Ok
[12:37] <mate|44398> I have an question
[12:38] <mate|44398> 3:37:57 PMmate|44398i have an question
[12:38] <mate|44398> 3:38:06 PMmate|44398can i take the sd card from the rasp to install ubuntu mate?
[12:39] <mate|44398> ??
[12:44] <sam__> hi, I have betaflight ob mein Laptop. Ik can not open serial port. what I can do?
[15:26] <mate|33889> ,.
[16:23] <mate|73759> Hi there is one js error on the download page. Please anyone look at it.
[16:29] <mate|73759> working now...Thanks
[16:43] <mate|26752> java script error on the download apge!
[16:44] <mate|26752> page
[18:29] <sibi> hi
[18:30] <sibi> how do u use this software?


[18:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3447 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (bionic/gnome-calculator, bionic/gnome-shell, bionic/gnome-software). Updates pocket (bionic/nautilus)