[08:09] <sense> good morning
[08:35] <yofel> oh cool, you can set the Expired status by mail XD
[09:23] <pedro_> hello folks
[09:34] <vish> pedro_: morn!
[09:35] <vish> sense: hggdh: hi , why is this invalid in SC > Bug #550955 ?
[09:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550955 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "About window is modal and doesn't look like it (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550955
[09:37] <vish> hmm , no om26er around even now..
[09:37] <sense> vish: I have no idea. You should ask Omer about that.
[09:37] <sense> vish: When no reason is given it is my opinion that it is our right to revert the status change. :)
[09:37] <vish> sense: yeah , i wanted to make sure if i'm *not* the only one who has no clue!
[09:37] <vish> pedro_: any guesses? ^
[09:38] <vish> sense: i'm getting tired of pm'img om26er everytime or commenting on bugs..
[09:38] <sense> He has a hard time learning some things indeed.
[09:38] <vish> sense: you remember the last time he did that :s
[09:39] <sense> It's a shame because he does want to do work, but apparently our logic is different from his.
[09:39] <vish> yes , for some reason he does not understand that others follow bugs too :(
[09:40] <vish> i'v tried telling him on pm's several times and i think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere!
[09:40] <sense> But how?
[09:40] <vish> sense: persia had been complaining the same thing even when he was given the BC status..
[09:41] <sense> Maybe we should revoke is Bug Control membership? :S
[09:41] <vish> sense: if thats what it takes ... to get some sanity check..
[09:45] <vish> too many times there is no comment..
[09:45] <vish> Bug #529759 medium > low , no comment why..
[09:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529759 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The reply function is duplicated (affects: 1) (heat: 33)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529759
[09:48] <vish> to check who marked bug dup , we need to see activity log! Bug #606447
[09:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606447 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "unable to add facebook (dup-of: 595265)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606447
[09:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595265 in gwibber (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Can not add Facebook account as add button not displayed after authorisation. (affects: 107) (dups: 18) (heat: 587)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595265
[09:49] <vish> why is Bug #598540 "incomplete" , hadnt we decided *not* to mark bugs that need forwarding incomplete?
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 598540 in empathy (Ubuntu) "[wishlist] Empathy should mirror webcam video stream (affects: 1) (heat: 145)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598540
[09:49] <pedro_> vish, better to talk to om26er about the change of status without adding a comment, could you send him an email to ask or add a comment at the report?
[09:50] <pedro_> vish, eek for the duplicates that's not a big issue, in fact i would say that's a launchpad bug
[09:50] <vish> pedro_: i'm truly tired of doing this for a very long time..
[09:50] <pedro_> when i don't have a lot of time and dealing with bunch of bugs i just mark as a dup without putting a comment
[09:50] <vish> pedro_: every time he does something with no comment , i'v been pm'iing him
[09:50] <pedro_> the reporter/subscribers are going to get an email about the change anyways
[09:50] <pedro_> if that's not reflected on the launchpad ui well that's abug
[09:51] <pedro_> bugzilla does it automatically
[09:51] <yofel> not really a LP bug, I think you can select the changes you want to have visible, and the lp-gm-scripts will show who marked the bug as a dup too
[09:51] <vish> pedro_: dups are fine.. but status changes , importance changes?
[09:51] <pedro_> only if you have the lp-gm-scripts ;-)
[09:51] <yofel> true ;)
[09:51] <pedro_> for status/importances changes i'm agreed ;-)
[09:51] <yofel> vish: well, I agree with you there (esp. importance)
[09:52] <vish> marking a bug invalid with no comment is truly silly!
[09:53] <vish> pedro_: why i mentioned the comment for dup , once we discussed [on pm] he said that users are commenting on dups instead of the main bugs... but anyway..
[09:53] <vish> mainly not really happy with status/importance changes :/
[09:53] <yofel> users are commenting on dups all the time..
[09:54] <pedro_> well that happens sometimes but you can always say "please comment on bug blah instead"
[09:54] <vish> pedro_: not a problem for me either if users comment on dups ;)
[09:54] <pedro_> vish, i can contact him if you want to
[09:54] <vish> but it was a problem for him :D
[09:55] <vish> pedro_: thanks. pls do , I'v tried to be polite and not make it an issue  , but its getting too tiring :(
[09:55] <pedro_> vish, heh, alright let me contact om26er to see what's going on there ;-)
[09:56] <drew212> how do i figure out if an application is on the official repos?
[09:56] <pedro_> oh we had a great feedback regarding the call for video topics
[09:56] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/ProposedVideos <- even volunteers!!
[09:56]  * pedro_ dancing
[09:56] <yofel> drew212: apt-cache policy , rmadison?
[09:57] <yofel> or apt-cache search for that matter, if you can't find it it isn't in the official repos. packages.ubuntu.com might help too
[09:57] <pedro_> don't tell to hggdh our secret
[09:57] <pedro_> oops
[09:58] <yofel> ^^
[10:01] <drew212> thanks yofel
[10:05] <yofel> drew212: if you can't clear it up yourself just request the apt-cache policy output from the reporter
[10:07] <drew212> i just used sudo apt-cache search [program name] and it gave me a list of programs that contained the name, and i searched the list for the correct program
[10:08] <drew212> thanks again, but i must be off to bed =X
[10:25] <vish> yofel: lp-gm-scripts is the same one or is that a new one?
[10:25] <vish> same as lp-enchancements
[10:26] <vish> hmm , i think i have lp-gm-sripts...
[10:26]  * vish checks..
[10:27] <yofel> the same
[10:27] <vish> yofel: oh , where's the option to display the "who marked bug dup"?
[10:27] <yofel> I used the project, not the package name
[10:27] <yofel> https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-gm-scripts
[10:27] <vish> ah , righto..
[10:29] <yofel> ah, I misread that, it doesn't show it :(
[10:30] <vish> yofel: cool , np.. :)
[11:28]  * hggdh starts hunting for the secret
[11:28] <pedro_> first clue: has a tail
[11:29] <pedro_> hggdh, ^
[11:29] <hggdh> pedro_: is it a... dog?
[11:31] <pedro_> hggdh, no is not :-P
[11:32] <pedro_> vish, don't tell him!
[11:33] <vish> :D
[12:15] <om26er> bug 414107 the patch is a simple fix to add scrollbar(came from upstream). the bug is fixed in meego and there dont seem to be any activity on the upstream bug for a few months. how to get it fixed in Ubuntu?
[12:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 414107 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Palimpsest GUI impossible to use on small screen (affects: 24) (dups: 4) (heat: 137)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414107
[12:29] <vish> om26er: fyi , no one wants to take you out! , you do a lot of work. but it is when you mark bugs like Bug #550955 invalid for no known reason , and no one knows why it is difficult for others
[12:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550955 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "About window is modal and doesn't look like it (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550955
[12:32] <om26er> vish, ok. software center bugs are only tracked in Ubuntu and a comment is necessary indeed.
[12:33] <vish> om26er: cool , its better if it is mentioned on the bug too. thanks!
[16:48] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[16:53]  * nigelb cheers for BlackZ :)
[16:54] <BlackZ> thanks nigelb :P
[17:09] <nigelb> BlackZ: w00t w00t.  Congrats!
[17:09] <BlackZ> thanks nigelb :)
[17:14] <vish> BlackZ: congrats! :)
[17:14] <BlackZ> thanks vish, thanks all :)
[17:15]  * vish chuckles at nigelb's *probable* tab fail ;p
[17:15] <nigelb> :D
[17:15] <nigelb> of all the places to have a fail
[17:15] <nigelb> It has to be in meeting room, when in sesion, sigh
[17:50] <stanley_robertso> hi nigelb
[17:50] <nigelb> hi
[18:57] <drew212> What should i do if a bug is something so obscure you have to TRY to reproduce it? The bug should be forwarded upstream, but you have to take certain steps in the right order to reproduce that it's on the verge of ridiculous. See bug 607863.
[18:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607863 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "input text box disappeard (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607863
[19:03] <yofel> drew212: er, that bug is already reported upstream?
[19:03] <yofel> (I can't reproduce it btw. ^^)
[19:04] <drew212> yofel: i havent checked yet...
[19:04] <drew212> yofel: i can reproduce it, you just have to follow the steps, exactly to a T
[19:04]  * yofel tries again
[19:04] <drew212> make sure when you highlight the text, you start from the beginning(go from left to right)... it doesnt work if you go backwards
[19:06] <drew212> i am able to get it to appear intermittently...
[19:06] <yofel> 7 - Move the cursor to the button of "Search with google" until a hand cursor appear.
[19:07] <yofel> with mouse still pressed?
[19:07] <drew212> yes
[19:07] <drew212> its not working for me now =(, i was able to reproduce it 2 or 3 times
[19:07] <drew212> there, i got it to work =)
[19:08] <yofel> problem: if I hold the mouse pressed, I never get a 'hand' cursor untill I release it
[19:08] <yofel> actually the mouse focus never leaves the text field
[19:09] <drew212> you hit control after you're done highlighting the text...
[19:09] <yofel> yes, but I'm not supposed to release the mouse
[19:09] <drew212> err before
[19:09] <yofel> aaah
[19:11] <vish> hrm , whats up with the bug?  comment starts at #4
[19:11] <drew212> yofel, i had to refresh google a few times to get it to work...
[19:12] <yofel> vish: imports from the mozilla bugtracker
[19:12] <vish> and it has the bug description in comment #4 ,..
[19:12] <vish> yofel: oh!..
[19:13] <vish> yofel: how does it import?  does it select certain comments or just all new comments?
[19:13] <yofel> I don't get launchpads numbering either though...
[19:15] <yofel> not sure, ask micahg or ddecator maybe, the imports aren't enabled for the bugtrackers I usually work with
[19:16] <vish> hmm , but i think there is some lp problem there too , the comment#4 is the bug description than a simple import from bugtracking...
[19:17] <vish> first time I'm seeing it too.. i'v heard it had been turned on..
[19:39] <njin> Hello, unfortunately i don't know KDE. Can someone help me with bug 366237 ?. Thanks
[19:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 366237 in ubuntu "Loading bar jumps back to 5% after reching 90% (heat: 4)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366237
[22:47] <Darxus> It looks like packages.ubuntu.com isn't listing versions in lucid-updates?
[22:47] <Darxus> That really... screwed me.
[22:48] <Darxus> The thing I fought with for hours was fixed, in lucid-updates.


[01:52] <nickrud> hi. On freenode for another reason, after years, and just dropped in to say hi
[01:55] <nickrud> happy to see so many names I remember - continuity is nice. Won't stay long no time, but if someone would make sure I said hi to Myrtti, Flannel and IdleOne in particular I'd appreciate it.
[01:55] <nickrud> Oh. Logs. Hi ;)


[01:51] <nixternal> let me run this by you all, and i am open to any and all comments
[01:52] <nixternal> i am the team lead for ubuntu chicago, a local team
[01:52] <nixternal> we have a guy, 16 or 17, in high school who recently got involved in an incident that was deamed hacking by school officials
[01:52] <nixternal> he is a good kid, and comes from a very good family, he just let curiousity get a hold of him
[01:53] <nixternal> i am not one to turn my back on anyone, and he has been suspended for 10 days and possibly worse circumstances could come out of this
[01:53] <nixternal> his parents and attorney recommend that people who have worked along side him send in emails to the principle highlighting his importance and that he isn't this bad person
[01:53] <nixternal> just so you know..this alleged hack didn't cause any damage
[01:54] <nixternal> he was an accessory more than anything as well...they realized there was an admin account on their computer with no password..the used that account, grabbed the same file, and simply cracked it
[01:55] <nixternal> they didn't use the passwords or anything illegally...but like i said earlier, curiosity caused them to get caught and in trouble...how would you go about helping them out besides backing them from a community standpoint
[01:55] <nixternal> only reason i ask here, is because of the educational environement, and the intelligence that is sitting in here..thanks! sorry for the spam as well ;)
[01:56] <LaserJock> heh
[01:56] <nixternal> ya
[01:57] <nixternal> the school has ousted him and labeled him a hacker...however we know a hacker is a good thing and the school is ignorant to the true definitions of the word...i feel bad for this kid, but at the same time, i told him to leave it well enough alone
[01:58] <LaserJock> well, hopefully he learned something from it
[01:59] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Well, the tack I would take is that this transgression is minor one, the result of a young mind not able to exercise itself to more productive ends, and suggest that he be reprimanded *but* pushed toward something more productive (perhaps an OSS project for school credit or something)
[01:59] <nixternal> im sure he did...kids these days just don't listen worth a crap...i told him the circumstances involved with something like that
[01:59] <HedgeMage> nixternal: that's probably the best you can do
[01:59] <nixternal> ya HedgeMage, and the exact way im thinking about taking
[01:59] <HedgeMage> however, if he's from the Chicago schoools, don't bother, they don't give a damn.
[01:59] <nixternal> there are about 20 or so of us that are going to be emailing the dean concerning this
[01:59] <nixternal> hahah
[01:59] <HedgeMage> I mean, trying can't hurt I guess, but they don't give a damn
[01:59] <nixternal> i know they don't
[01:59] <nixternal> i used to work for them as a contractor
[02:00] <HedgeMage> nixternal: My mom's a teacher south of Chicago... she often gets victims of the chicago school system
[02:00] <nixternal> that lasted until they sent me to a neighborhood i sure as heck didn't belong
[02:02] <nixternal> heh
[02:02] <nixternal> your mom doesn't work for York High in Elmhurst by chance ;)
[02:03] <HedgeMage> Nope, Sandridge School in Lynwood
[02:04] <nixternal> ok, that is south south
[03:13] <sbalneav> Evening all
[08:06] <RichEd> ping nixternal : got the mail ... thanks ... will respond today
[08:13] <nixternal> RichEd: cool, thanks!
[08:20] <juliux> morning
[08:27] <nixternal> morning juliux!
[11:58] <cbx33> ajmitch: ping RichEd
[11:58] <cbx33> whoops
[12:20] <cbx33> I just had a problem upgrading a 64 bit machine dapper to edgy - X refuses to start
[12:20] <cbx33> it mumbled about not being able to find any fonts.....but apparently that shouldn't cause the issue
[12:20] <cbx33> any ideas?
[12:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: are you sure the update finished without problems?
[12:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: I had a problem, that one installscript was broken and used a wrong update-fonts-dir command.
[12:29] <lucasvo> gsfonts-x11
[12:29] <cbx33> no it finished fine
[12:30] <lucasvo> strange
[12:35] <cbx33> if I run startx it works fine
[12:37] <RichEd> hey cbx33 :)
[12:38] <cbx33> hi RichEd
[12:38] <cbx33> gimme 2 ecs to switch machine
[12:38] <cbx33> then I have a little something fory ou :p
[12:55] <juliux> ogra, ping
[12:55] <ogra> juliux, pong
[12:56] <juliux> ogra, how good is your evo t20 working?
[12:56] <juliux> better then the rangee one?
[12:57] <ogra> didnt try yet, gimme a minute
[12:57] <juliux> ok
[12:57] <juliux> there are a lot of cheap evo t20 on ebay at the moment
[01:00] <cbx33> mostly ok, apart from losing the ability to run wine
[01:00] <cbx33> and losing my dual core proc - but I've sorted that one
[01:00] <cbx33> my dpkg database is screwed
[01:01] <cbx33> it thinks wine is installed but it's not
[01:01] <cbx33> and it has no installation candidate
[01:01] <cbx33> but anyway....I downloaded the deb, but it still didn't run the program that I needed....so I need to compile from source
[01:01] <cbx33> that worked last time
[01:13] <juliux> ogra_, great
[01:13] <ogra_> but it uses vesa and is very slow
[01:14] <juliux> hm
[01:14] <ogra_> local devices work though :)
[01:14] <juliux> the rangee thinclient are also working with vesa, and i want something faster
[01:14] <bimberi> jono: ping
[01:14] <ogra_> they have identical video hardware iirc
[01:15] <jono> bimberi, ping
[01:15] <bimberi> jono: hi. just wondering if this is ok - http://asdfgh.info/ubuntu/toc.html
[01:15] <juliux> ogra_, that is bad
[01:16] <jono> bimberi, cool, where did you get the content?
[01:16] <bimberi> it's not mine, someone was just asking about it in #ubuntu-au, so i sought out an author :)
[01:17] <bimberi> he wants to print it off but was worried about copyright/licence breach
[01:17] <ogra> juliux, i'll try to force the cyrix driver, but i dont expect it to work, lets see
[01:17] <jono> bimberi, who is it?
[01:18] <bimberi> jono: siccness was the one asking.  I have no idea who owns the site though.
[01:19] <juliux> ogra, good luck
[01:23] <bimberi> D-lined ?
[02:31] <jono> hey
[02:31] <jono> bimberi, thanks for the call :)
[02:31] <bimberi> jono: different server. very sneaky :)
[02:32] <bimberi> jono: np, 'twas nice to have an excuse...
[02:33] <jono> heh :)
[02:38] <cbx33> hey jono
[02:38] <jono> hey
[02:38] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=779
[02:39] <cbx33> hehehe oh dear
[02:40] <bimberi> ;p
[02:40] <cbx33> heheh
[02:42] <jono> heh
[02:43] <cbx33> jono: we record the first segment of youth lug radio tomorrow
[02:43] <cbx33> "How would free software affect education"
[02:43] <jono> cbx33, cool :)
[02:47] <cbx33> yeh should be good
[02:47] <cbx33> what do you record in now?
[02:47] <cbx33> jokosher?
[02:58] <willvdl> some teachers in Limpopo where very interested in audacity
[03:02] <cbx33> yeh?
[03:03] <willvdl> a quick demo to some teachers of what is possible
[03:03] <willvdl> they loved it. especially when you speed it up and everyone sounds like a hamster
[03:04] <cbx33> willvdl: you should show them ardour...heheh with the jog/shuffle wheel
[03:04] <cbx33> speed up and slow down in real time
[03:05] <willvdl> oh yeah. We recorded the national anthem, popped it onto a CD and played it back all in a matter of minutes
[03:06] <willvdl> this doesn't sound too fantastic I'm sure but considering where this school was located, it is quite mind-boggling
[03:08] <cbx33> hehe
[03:08] <cbx33> cool
[03:45] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:51] <Amaranth> morning
[03:51] <Amaranth> west coast?
[03:51] <cbx33> anyone ever use pascal on linux?
[03:51] <cbx33> someone wants to show me some code he wrote
[03:51] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[03:52] <cbx33> but I can't get the crt library to work
[03:57] <sbalneav> Pascal?
[03:57] <sbalneav> Yeesh.
[03:57] <sbalneav> What's the code about?
[04:00] <cbx33> nothing major
[04:00] <cbx33> crappy little calculator
[04:01] <cbx33> I finished it
[04:01] <cbx33> it's ok
[04:16] <sbalneav> Morning ogra!!!
[04:16] <ogra> hey
[04:17] <ogra> afternoon :)
[04:17] <sbalneav> Evening too!
[04:17] <ogra> heh, only 4pm :)
[04:17] <ogra> and i'll do a short day today ... my exhaustion pipe is waiting for more wielding ;)
[04:18] <sbalneav> Things dropping down to a more sane level?
[04:18] <ogra> yeah
[04:18] <sbalneav> Hey, that one person on ubuntu-devel, the RDSP thing, he needs to specify acpi=off on the boot, but I can't remember how to specify boot commands on the command line for the live cd.
[04:18] <ogra> now that the solar thingie is done (plumbing finished yesterday) ... i can finally play with all these new tools for the car ;)
[04:19] <sbalneav> You got a pointer to that, so I can reply to him?
[04:19] <ogra> no, but i think you just hit F6
[04:19] <ogra> and append acpi=off there
[04:19] <ogra> then hit enter ;)
[04:20] <ogra> nasty bug ... seems its caused by an asian locale setting
[04:20] <ogra> but the guy behind the bug is very intresting, he does exciting ldap7kerberos/AD setups
[04:21] <ogra> *ldap/kerberos/AD
[04:21] <sbalneav> Exciting? :)
[04:22] <ogra> yeah, he offers a ltsp/ldap/kerberos/freebsd setup on a preconfigured iso
[04:23] <ogra> the host is freebsd ... the clients have a linux chroot
[04:26] <ogra> sbalneav, do you know if jammcq made his final decision where we'll have BTS now ?
[04:30] <ogra> sbalneav, also, i added a new default lts.conf and lts-parameters.txt to the ltsp-client package, they get installed in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples in the chroot
[04:30] <ogra> i'll try to keep the lts-parameters.txt file up to date
[04:31] <sbalneav> Cool, I'm working on the manuals.
[04:33] <sbalneav> I think he's leaning towards San-Fransisco.  The nice thing is with that, we'll go there thursday night, spend Friday and Saturday hacking, then just pile in a car and drive down to Mountain view (2 hour drive) on Sunday.
[04:33] <sbalneav> So, I think it should be cool.
[04:35] <ogra> sounds great
[04:35] <ogra> but he should make up his mind soon, i need to book my flights :)
[04:37] <sbalneav> Ping him in #ltsp
[04:37] <sbalneav> I think he's working on it today.
[04:45] <sbalneav> brb, reboot required after package update
[04:50] <sbalneav> Back again
[05:23] <Petaris> Hi all
[05:24] <Petaris> ogra: Has there been any progress with the network authentication bits?
[05:24] <ogra> ajmitch was working on it, i dont think he finished, but ask him in -devel
[05:25] <ogra> i plan to attack the server side in edgy+1 though
[05:25] <Petaris> ok
[05:25] <Petaris> I have issues on and off with the sadms route
[05:26] <Petaris> I will ask over it -devel but he is rarely there when I am
[05:26] <ogra> he is in .nz timezone ...
[05:26] <Petaris> yeah, I know
[05:27] <Petaris> That is why he is rarely there when I am
[05:27] <Petaris> I'm also have odd issues with my users home dir mounts
[05:29] <Petaris> I am using LinNeighborhood for each user, but I am going to try to see if I can use Services for Unix to push an NFS share from the win2k server
[05:29] <Petaris> that might fix the issue
[05:33] <lucasvo> can anyone suggest a good ide for pytho & webdevelopment?
[05:38] <sbalneav> lucasvo: errrm... terminal + vi? :)
[05:38] <lucasvo> sbalneav: yes, I am currently using this setup, but I don't know if there is anything better
[05:38] <ogra> if you like vi, use pida
[05:38] <sbalneav> pida?
[05:39] <ogra> apt-cache show pida
[05:39] <Petaris> lucasvo, I use jEdit for all my webdev stuff
[05:39] <Petaris> http://www.jedit.org/
[05:39] <sbalneav> cool
[05:40] <highvoltage> wow, pida is nice
[05:41] <lucasvo> sbalneav: you see, the question was worth asking :)
[05:41] <Petaris> ogra: to your knowladge has anyone ever tried to authenticat via an nis server running on a win2k server?
[05:42] <Petaris> the NIS server is supplied with Services for Unix
[05:42] <sbalneav> lucasvo: Oh, sure, it's worth asking, I was simply telling you what *I* use :)
[05:43] <sbalneav> I've been a Unix user since 1984
[05:43] <lucasvo> sbalneav: my first days on unix, it was over an ssh shell...
[05:44] <lucasvo> so also cli only
[05:44] <lucasvo> pida looks awesome
[05:46] <ogra> note that pida wasnt really ready when i tried it out ast the beginning of dapper ... but thats some time ago
[05:47] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wow
[05:47] <sbalneav> highvoltage: I told you this story in France, didn't I?
[05:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you gave me a lot of history, but I can't remember that part
[05:48] <sbalneav> Heck, when I started using the internet, they'd JUST stopped using FTP for mail transfer, as SMTP had just been developed the year before.
[05:48] <sbalneav> I'm 38 years old, and an internet methusela already.
[05:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I don't think you actually gave me much history about yourself, only from when you started working at legalaid
[05:48] <sbalneav> Started using unix in High School. :)
[05:49] <sbalneav> Meh, I'm pretty boring :)
[05:49] <highvoltage> ftp for mail transfer? lol
[05:49] <sbalneav> Heck, I still remember UUCP mail and bangpaths
[05:51] <highvoltage> sbalneav: we still use uucp in tuxlabs :)
[05:51] <sbalneav> For anyone else interested:
[05:51] <sbalneav> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/bang-path.html
[05:53] <sbalneav> You know why ! is called a bang, right?
[05:55] <sbalneav> on old IBM card punches, coding a ! actually punched out all the holes for the row.  Producing the loudest noise.
[06:17] <lucasvo> how can I print out an object of a multivaluedict?
[06:22] <sbalneav> lucasvo: What, they key has a list as a value?
[06:22] <lucasvo> also wenn ich eifach print request.POST mach chunnt: <MultiValueDict: {'{"params":[2] ,"method":"delete", "id":"1"}':[''] }
[06:22] <lucasvo> sbalneav: ^- this is the dictionary
[06:23] <lucasvo> now, I'd like to make something like if(method=="delete")
[06:23] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[06:23] <lucasvo> hi bddebian
[06:23] <bddebian> Hello lucasvo
[06:24] <tomveens> hello
[06:27] <sbalneav> lucasvo: Well, for dicts, maybe an .iterkeys() and format from that?
[06:34] <LaserJock> sbalneav: interesting programming history there :-)
[06:35] <sbalneav> :)
[06:35] <LaserJock> I think my boss used punch cards early in his academic career
[06:36] <LaserJock> I got into computers when the 5" floppies were going out of style :/
[06:51] <LaserJock> RichEd: you still awake?
[08:07] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[08:17] <cbx33> ping ogra dude !
[09:18] <cbx33> HedgeMage,
[09:18] <cbx33> w00t
[09:18] <cbx33> HedgeMage, I just submitted something to the handbook
[09:18] <cbx33> did you manage to find the blurb stuff yet?
[09:19] <cbx33> Amaranth, did I see you're involved with beryl mirrors?
[09:19] <Amaranth> nope
[09:19] <Amaranth> i used to make daily snapshot packages
[09:19] <cbx33> oh np
[09:19] <cbx33> ahhh
[09:19] <HedgeMage> cbx33: just got an email from lisa, and I'm editing now and about to send it off :)
[09:19] <cbx33> nice
[09:19] <cbx33> check out the SCP docs when you get a sec
[09:19] <Amaranth> btw, no school for the rest of the week
[09:19] <Amaranth> yay
[09:20] <Amaranth> going to spend some time mellowing out today, tomorrow is coding time :)
[09:21] <cbx33> willow?
[09:22] <Amaranth> hopefully
[09:24] <cbx33> w00t
[10:33] <lucasvo> ogra: can I ask you something about pida?
[10:33] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I edit the todos?
[10:39] <cbx33> hey grahamldlw
[10:39] <grahamldlw> heyy
[10:39] <cbx33> it's pete here ;)
[10:39] <cbx33> so you finally made it
[10:39] <grahamldlw> i guessed
[10:39] <grahamldlw> yeh but as soon as i turn this off i gotta do it all over again
[10:39] <cbx33> yup
[10:39] <grahamldlw> it's good practive fro the sudo apt-get install etc
[10:39] <cbx33> but now you know what you gotta go
[10:39] <cbx33> indeed
[10:40] <grahamldlw> yep i certainly do and thinking of that i shud have wrote it down lol
[10:40] <cbx33> well this channel is where all the people who are involved in edubuntu hang out
[10:40] <grahamldlw> educational unbuntu?
[10:40] <cbx33> yup
[10:40] <grahamldlw> can u talk me thru this install thing if i get up the install thing
[10:41] <grahamldlw> technical termology u see
[10:41] <cbx33> eh?
[10:41] <cbx33> install thing?
[10:41] <grahamldlw> to acctually install it permanently
[10:42] <cbx33> ahh....
[10:42] <grahamldlw> i got 7 gb free and regardless of what i delete i cant find anythin more to get rid of
[10:42] <cbx33> well....what we could do is install it tomorrow so you can see how to do it
[10:42] <cbx33> heeh
[10:42] <grahamldlw> i have 30 gigabytes worth of stuff somewhere not doing anything not rele being used?
[10:42] <cbx33> right
[10:42] <grahamldlw> umm i get all of it apart from the partition thing
[10:42] <cbx33> well you gotta find that out first :p
[10:43] <grahamldlw> might be a key time to wipe all and start again, which i wud be inclined to do if i didnt have such important documents on here, and if i didnt have so much work set each day
[10:43] <cbx33> well....back them up
[10:44] <grahamldlw> im gonna stick them on that little hard drive thing i had/mp3 player
[10:44] <grahamldlw> as soon as i get them i can delete all, i just dont wanna like wipe windows tho
[10:44] <grahamldlw> or delete somethin i shudent, like last time wen i needed a new pc
[10:45] <cbx33> ok...
[10:46] <grahamldlw> it's just reading the disks
[10:46] <grahamldlw> it has like 3 different types of file system
[10:46] <cbx33> ok....right
[10:46] <cbx33> we'll have to talk about this tomorrow
[10:46] <grahamldlw> ok
[10:46] <cbx33> I'm not gonna have time to go through it all now
[10:46] <cbx33> infact it'll make a good section on youth lug radio
[10:46] <grahamldlw> lol
[10:46] <grahamldlw> how long u been doin that for?
[10:46] <grahamldlw> i wasnt even informed
[10:47] <cbx33> well
[10:47] <cbx33> it's the first recording session tomorrow
[10:47] <cbx33> hang on
[10:47] <grahamldlw> ok?
[10:48] <cbx33> ian hadaway is coming in
[10:48] <grahamldlw> how do you know that?
[10:48] <cbx33> I'm just talking to him
[10:48] <grahamldlw> ohh
[10:48] <cbx33> he should be joining
[10:48] <grahamldlw> ok
[10:51] <cbx33> grahamldlw, join #youth-lug too
[10:52] <cbx33> hey Sonofaq
[10:53] <Sonofaq> hiya
[10:53] <cbx33> grahamldlw, is trying to install ubuntu :p
[10:53] <Sonofaq> lol
[10:53] <cbx33> Sonofaq, you #youth-lug
[10:53] <cbx33> join even
[10:53] <cbx33> :p
[10:53] <Sonofaq> is there a channel now
[10:54] <cbx33> well not offocicial yet
[10:54] <cbx33> but join it
[10:54] <cbx33> :p
[10:54] <Sonofaq> cool
[10:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: sounding a little "cave man" there
[10:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, who me?
[10:54] <Sonofaq> hehe
[10:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: "You.. #youth-lug ... join ... now"
[10:55] <cbx33> heheh
[10:55] <cbx33> or I'll club you with a bat
[10:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: "Me... Pete"
[10:56] <cbx33> :p
[11:06] <grahamldlw> ubuntu is very confusing :(
[11:17] <LaserJock> grahamldlw: it is?
[11:18] <grahamldlw> yep!
[11:18] <grahamldlw> to me anyway!
[11:19] <grahamldlw> i've never used nor seen any type of linux/ubuntu, and only just started programming :D
[11:19] <LaserJock> what part?
[11:19] <grahamldlw> installing!
[11:19] <LaserJock> ahyes installing can be fun
[11:20] <grahamldlw> fun? FUN!!!! it took me an hour to get this irc thing working with help from cbx33
[11:22] <LaserJock> depending on your hardware, installing can be very quick and painless.... or not :/
[11:23] <LaserJock> I'm sorry you are having a struggle with it :(
[11:27] <grahamldlw> for a start i only have 5-6 GB of free space avaliable because i cant find where my windwos portion of the hardrive is eating it
[11:27] <grahamldlw> secondly, which is a new one, my cpu is almost always running at 100% capacity, whereas b4 i cud have any number of thigns open and it wudent go above 10%
[12:03] <keltorsori> hello
[12:03] <keltorsori> anyone out there today?
[12:03] <tomveens> hello
[12:03] <keltorsori> i may have found a bug in the Edgy LTSP implementation, need to figure out who to contact
[12:04] <keltorsori> (edubuntu and xubuntu flavors)
[12:04] <LaserJock> keltorsori: you can report the bug on Launchpad
[12:04] <keltorsori> will do
[12:04] <keltorsori> it's a bug that was reported in the Xubuntu distro last cycle (6.06) and was listed as fixed
[12:04] <LaserJock> ogra is the one that will look at it
[12:05] <keltorsori> basically on all machines I'm trying to install Knot 3 or Beta (or even new dailies), install is failing at Build chroot (gets to 50%, grinds away and fails)
[12:05] <ogra> hmm, beta should work ...
[12:05] <keltorsori> any ideas where I could find my logs (if there are any) that might tell me or anyone exactly whats failing?
[12:06] <keltorsori> just d/l'd it again, tried on 3 different systems (all very recent)
[12:06] <ogra> file it against ltsp and attach /var/log/installer/syslog (make it world readable first)
[12:06] <ogra> you can also immediately look on console4 if the error shows up
[12:06] <ogra> (alt-F4)
[12:07] <keltorsori> i'll do that now
[12:07] <ogra> thanks
[12:09] <cyberhell86> hello i gotta question....
[12:11] <keltorsori> btw, looks like another person was having the same issue with 6.06.1 ed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-September/000300.html
[12:11] <keltorsori> although 6.06.1 installs fine for me (just no edgy releases)
[12:11] <cyberhell86> i gotta question.. i don't wanna risk my Windows.. so i want to install ubuntu on my ipod do u think it's a good idea? because i'm running it from the cd and it's really slow :S
[12:12] <keltorsori> booting from USB on pc's never a great idea
[12:12] <ogra> keltorsori, try to use another videomode during install (select with F4 at the Cd bootscreen iirc)
[12:13] <keltorsori> i'll try that as well (d/l'ing a new iso right now i tossed the other ones)
[12:13] <cyberhell86> uhmmm.. but i just got a gateway laptop do u think i'm gonna have any problem with the drivers?
[12:13] <keltorsori> shouldn't, but i'd run the chipset through google and see what's supported
[12:13] <keltorsori> wireless is always the sticky problem
[12:13] <ogra> cyberhell86, try it with the liveCD :) its identical to the installed system
[12:13] <keltorsori> even better idea :)
[12:14] <ogra> so if your HW works there, it will work as well with the install
[12:15] <keltorsori> ogra, do you know how the xubuntu guys are integrating LTSP? is it basically the same as edubuntu or are they rolling their own?
[12:15] <cyberhell86> uhmm.. yes it works... i have the same problem of the wireless... but another problem.. is that i use my cellphone to get on internet.. :S so i don't know if i'm gonna be able to do the same thing with ubuntu
[12:16] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: some people have been successful with phone as modem
[12:16] <keltorsori> hold a sec and i'll pull the discussion
[12:16] <ogra> keltorsori, its both identical ... the installer bit is a part of ltsp not of xubuntu or edubuntu
[12:17] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: here's file usage http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75978&highlight=bluetooth
[12:17] <keltorsori> and dialup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup


[00:12] <bhearsum> magandang umaga sa lahat. pupunta kami sa pilipinas in a few weeks and gusto ko ng temporary phone+data plan. may HTC Desire (android) ako, does anyone know a provider i could use?
[01:46] <Terminus> bhearsum: if you're staying in makati, you'll mostly have decent connections with the local telcos. outside of makati, no idea how good it will be. you'll probably max out at 384kbps upstream and downstream. i use a smart prepaid sim and it's around 1 USD for a day, 7 USD for a week, and 28 USD for a month.
[01:47] <Terminus> bhearsum: other android users swear by sun as their provider but i haven't really had the chance to test it. gf uses globe and it's mostly ok, although i don't know how data on their prepaid sim works.
[04:19] <YourTube> hello
[04:20] <YourTube> pano ko ibalik yung ubuntu after ko install ibang linux... nawala sa grub... pede ba magtagalog? :)
[04:22] <YourTube> or... pag ginawa ko yung sudo mkdir /media/sda2 and so on.. mawawala ba yung isang linux ko sa grub?
[05:02] <YourTube> looks like people here is busy/
[05:38] <rEnr3n> hi yourtube
[05:38] <rEnr3n> anung linux ang na-install mo after ubuntu?
[06:12] <YourTube> backtrack
[06:13] <epal> aw, h4cker? hehehe
[06:14] <YourTube> try ko lang :)
[06:15] <YourTube> mkdir /media/sda2 <--pde ko ba run yan sa backtrack at maayos yung grub?
[06:15] <epal> grub2 sya? hehe
[06:16] <YourTube> newbie lang ako kaya d ko sure...
[06:16] <YourTube> o kelangan yung ubuntu cd talaga?
[06:17] <YourTube> then pag nag-install pa ako ng isang pang linux masisira ba ulit grub?
[06:17] <epal> sayang d ni-detect nung installer ng backtrack ung ubuntu?
[06:18] <YourTube> kase backtrack base in ubuntu 8.10... kaya parang downgrade
[06:18] <epal> ahhh
[06:18] <epal> hm, dunno.. :D beginner lang din ako hehehe
[06:18] <YourTube> good :)
[06:19] <YourTube> try ko ulit search o try ko insert yung ubuntu cd then repair grub.. kung d mawawala yung backtrack
[06:22] <kidsodateless> all, Magandang Tanghali!
[06:24] <YourTube> hapon na dito :)
[06:45] <YourTube> >grub  <-?
[06:49] <YourTube> pano kung 2 yung linux nakainstall... ano lalagay ko sda1,sda2?
[06:55] <YourTube> now its shows "grub>"
[06:56] <YourTube> i forgot some... i saw this before
[16:00] <bhearsum> Terminus: thanks


[01:36] <holstein> delt: those are outputs.. and not for proaudio, regardless
[01:36] <holstein> the impedance is for consumer audio equipment..
[01:45] <holstein> delt: personally, i avoid gear that doesnt have balanced connections.. im not saying you cant get "good" sound without a balance connection, but, a piece of gear with connections like that is trying to address a certain work flow
[04:00] <Guest68684> some musician here ?
[04:00] <Unit193> What's the question?
[04:00] <holstein> yes..
[04:02]  * holstein is a musician.. what do you need Guest68684 ?
[04:02] <Guest68684> well i have a nano 2 keys midi controller but only works with lmms no ardour, rosegarden or Qtractor , i have ubuntu studio 14
[04:02] <holstein> Guest68684: routing, likely
[04:03] <holstein> Guest68684: if it works with anything, then, it works with the system
[04:03] <Guest68684> i routed but no way
[04:03] <holstein> Guest68684: you do *not* need a musician for this question
[04:03] <holstein> Guest68684: you need someone familiar with MIDI
[04:03] <holstein> Guest68684: you routed in JACK? how, precisely?
[04:03] <Guest68684> i'm a por musician very known  i know midi since it appears
[04:04] <Guest68684> yes
[04:04] <holstein> Guest68684: sure.. but this is *not* the same as the MIDI you and i have used
[04:04] <Guest68684> i think it the controller because drivers
[04:04] <holstein> Guest68684: no
[04:05] <holstein> Guest68684: if it were "controller because of drivers" it wouldnt work
[04:05] <holstein> Guest68684: you state it is working.. correct?
[04:05] <Guest68684> yes
[04:05] <Guest68684> nano works very well in wine
[04:05] <holstein> Guest68684: ok.. then, *how* are you routing? with JACK?
[04:05] <Guest68684> q software
[04:06] <holstein> Guest68684: q software?
[04:06] <Guest68684> qjack
[04:06] <holstein> correct... you are routing in JACK? JACK is running?
[04:06] <holstein> !proaudio
[04:07] <Guest68684> yes but messages always very weird and diferents
[04:07] <holstein> Guest68684: ^ have you read that?
[04:07] <holstein> Guest68684: what messages?
[04:07] <Guest68684> yes
[04:07] <holstein> Guest68684: from where?
[04:07] <holstein> Guest68684: so, are yuo running jack?
[04:07] <Guest68684> i post my problem there too
[04:07] <holstein> Guest68684: where?
[04:07] <Guest68684> many of them are diferents
[04:08] <holstein> Guest68684: the link i gave is a wiki page with information.. you dont post there
[04:08] <holstein> Guest68684: them what?
[04:08] <Guest68684> in LMMS nano works very well using jack instead of alsa
[04:09] <holstein> Guest68684: sure.. when you are running JACK, you need to configure applications to use JACK
[04:09] <Guest68684> in qtractor i used fluidsynth sf2 but also do not conect keyboard
[04:09] <holstein> Guest68684: ok.. *dont* do that
[04:09] <holstein> Guest68684: you have too many variables
[04:09] <holstein> Guest68684: please do the following
[04:09] <holstein> 1. see that JACK is running..
[04:10] <holstein> 2. open yoshimi
[04:10] <holstein> 3. use the virtual keyboard in the menu to insure that yoshimi is making sound, and routed properly for audio connections in JACK
[04:10] <Guest68684> ok
[04:11] <Guest68684> yoshimi do not open
[04:11] <holstein> 4. *then* move on to the midi connection of the nano to the application yoshimi *after* you have sound
[04:11] <Guest68684> ok
[04:11] <holstein> you may need to use a2jmidid to make the nano connect to yoshimi in the same tab in JACK.. *this* step can be why you are unable to make the connectsion
[04:11] <holstein> connections*
[04:12] <holstein> Guest68684: "yoshimi do not open" is not a question
[04:12] <Guest68684> a2jmidid i have to install it?
[04:13] <holstein> Guest68684: you'll need to install it if you dont have it.. you dont "have to" do *anything*..
[04:13] <Guest68684> i tell you i try to open yoshimi, and it doesn't open
[04:14] <holstein> Guest68684: sure.. thats *still* not a question, though
[04:14] <holstein> Guest68684: you can try "zynaddsubfx"
[04:15] <Guest68684> ok
[04:15] <Guest68684> thanks i will do your advice see you
[04:16] <holstein> well.. that happened
[06:31] <delt> Hello
[06:31] <delt> My laptop screen shuts itself off when i close the laptop lid, and there's no way to get it back on except to change console, or reboot
[06:31] <delt> even xrandr --auto, or xset dpms force on don't do it
[07:14] <zequence> delt: There was a post about that on the mail list. Seems like installing pm-utils solves it
[07:14] <zequence> We haven't yet had a chance to test it and fix it. Should be fixed within a month or less.
[07:26] <delt> zequence: using the nouveau drivers, pm-utils doesn't fix it :(
[07:26] <delt> (installed it, logged out and back in)
[07:26] <delt> now testing with the propriertary nvidia driver
[07:31] <delt> zequence: also doesn't work with the proprietary nvidia driver
[07:35] <zequence> delt: I will be taking a look at that, once I have time. If you happen to find a solution before I do, please let me know. I would appreciate it
[07:42] <delt> zequence: looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/248967/laptop-screen-stays-blank-after-lid-is-reopened
[07:43] <delt> zequence: i followed the instructions there, and the .sh file indeed gets called when opening/closing the lid, but there's no way for my laptop to reactivate the screen from /proc
[07:43] <delt> /proc, /sys, and /dev contain very little useful entries matching "lcd" :(
[08:02] <delt> zequence: tried this, failed --- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[08:15] <delt> zequence: booting with acpi=off fixes the problem, but disables some needed/useful stuff...
[09:47] <delt> zequence: for now i kludged it with a script that switches VT and back when the laptop lid is open....hideous, but (usually) works :/
[12:44] <zequence> delt: Thanks for the info. Might take me a couple of days before I get to that. If I find a neater solution, I'll ping you.
[14:29] <rhizo> Hi folks
[20:41] <delt> Hello
[20:41] <delt> bug: desktop settings shows only a blue square in the list of background wallpapers
[20:42] <zequence> delt: Was it always like that?
[20:42] <zequence> delt: Which release? How did you install it?
[20:43] <delt> zequence: fresh install on this machine, installed from dvd
[20:43] <delt> (laptop)
[20:43] <zequence> delt: trusty?
[20:43] <delt> yeah, 14.04
[20:43] <delt> let me check on the desktop if it "became" like this as well with some updates
[20:44] <delt> nope... though the weird little blue square appears for about half a second while the thumbnails of images load
[20:46] <delt> let's see if i change the directory...
[20:46] <zequence> delt: I have that too, before the wallpapers load
[20:47] <delt> zequence: on the laptop, it stays stuck with the little blue square
[20:47] <zequence> delt: what is the folder set on?
[20:48] <delt> both before (default directory from fresh install) and after i changed it to a directory with a bunch of backgrounds
[20:48] <zequence> It should say "ubuntustudio"
[20:48] <delt> yeah that's what it was on by default
[20:48] <zequence> and the path should be /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio
[20:49] <delt> oh btw there's no easy way to just click and go back to default
[20:49] <zequence> delt: That's unfortunately not on our table. That is XFCE development :)
[20:49] <delt> oh, yeah
[20:50] <delt> anyway i set it back to the default, and the little blue square is gone, though i still have an empty list.
[20:51] <delt> close the window, reopen it, the square is back.
[20:51] <delt> zequence: for me it's not a big deal since i use wallch to switch wallpapers randomly -)
[20:52] <delt> but for my parents, this needs to be user-friendly and without too much bugs...
[20:52] <delt> s/much/many/
[20:55] <zequence> delt: Are you in a Ubuntu Studio or a XFCE session?
[20:55] <zequence> delt: logout, and make sure
[20:57] <delt> ubuntu studio
[20:57] <delt> making sure, 2sec
[20:57] <delt> yep, ubuntu studio session
[20:58] <zequence> delt: the file that controls the path to wallpapers is /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml
[20:59] <zequence> delt: Could be you overriden that path in user settings
[20:59] <zequence> delt: have a look in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml
[21:00] <delt> /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml
[21:00] <delt> uh
[21:01] <delt> i mean http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/xfce4-desktop.xml
[21:01] <zequence> delt: If the file I posted last does not have the correct path to wallpapers - /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio, then delete it
[21:01] <zequence> delt: check the file in user settings, since that is the only one that should change easily
[21:01] <delt> zequence: does wallch futz around with that file to change desktop wallpapers?
[21:02] <delt> zequence: anyway the problem was present before i installed wallch (which i just did a few minutes ago)
[21:03] <delt> http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/xfce4-desktop.xml
[21:06] <zequence> delt: Actually, that is probably not it, now that I look closer
[21:08] <delt> oops, that second link was meant to be http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/user-xfce4-desktop.xml
[21:08] <delt> that's the one in my ~
[21:08] <delt> the first one was the one in /etc
[21:09] <zequence> delt: Could be we are missing a possible setting
[21:10] <delt> just removed it, and re-ran the desktop settings, still same bug
[21:10] <zequence> delt: If you select a wallpaper in /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/, it should become default
[21:11] <delt> in wallch?
[21:11] <delt> i can't select individual files in the desktop settings
[21:11] <zequence> delt: No, in the xfce desktop settings
[21:11] <zequence> delt: Set the folder /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio, then you will be able to select any wp in there
[21:12] <zequence> when you close desktop settings, and open again, you will see the same wp selection
[21:12] <delt> nope... the list is still empty
[21:12] <delt> (no blue square this time)
[21:13] <zequence> delt: Sure you got the right path? /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio
[21:13] <zequence> delt: Sure you got the right path? /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/
[21:14] <delt> yep, typed it in the gtk selector window
[21:14] <delt> (with tab completion)
[21:14] <delt> :)
[21:14] <delt> let's try clicking my way to it
[21:15] <delt> nope.. blue square
[21:15] <zequence> delt: Well, if I change wp to something in another folder, that folder will be default next time
[21:15] <delt> anyway, if it works for you then it will probably work fine on another laptop
[21:18] <delt> in other news... how do i use a magnet link from firefox to a program (rtorrent) that's running on another machine?
[21:19] <zequence> delt: That would not be typically Ubuntu Studio specific, but I guess you copy the magnet link to your clipboard
[21:19] <zequence> or, you specify a path to a program that is launchpable from the system you are on
[21:30] <delt> hahaha "ubuntu is an ancient african word translating to: cannot configure debian"
[21:32] <zequence> good one
[21:33] <zequence> sleepy time
[21:33] <delt> where from?
[21:33] <delt> <--- montreal, canada


[01:51] <alazare619> alazare619> hey whats the format for a repository to be included in the chroot phase of livecd-rootfs
 let me pastebin the setup i have
 http://pastebin.com/RwRN9VQV
[01:52] <TheMuso> alazare619: You should use the ubuntu-defaults-builder package if you want to add another archive like a PPA.
[01:52] <alazare619> ive been told this many times
[01:52] <alazare619> im not trying to build gtk etc
[01:52] <alazare619> im building a ubuntu base from scratch
[03:21] <pitti> Good morning
[13:31] <ev> mpt: in case you wanted a closer look at those lines: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[14:12] <oly> hi, after a few pointers with packaging python software, i have successfully built a deb but one thing that concerns me is where its going to install to
[14:12] <oly> looking in rules and control files there does not seem to be any where i have setup a path
[14:13] <oly> does that mean all files would install to root ie /
[14:13] <oly> currently i have /project/sourcecode and /project/debian with the packaging files
[14:14] <directhex> the convention is that packages use --prefix=/usr, and debhelper sets various parameters to set this. i don't know about python packaging specifically though
[14:14] <tumbleweed> python modules get installed into the python dist-packages directory
[14:14] <tumbleweed> if tehy aren't there, they aren't importable
[14:14] <oly> well the path i need to install to is /usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/
[14:15] <tumbleweed> aah, then tell it to do that
[14:15] <tumbleweed> dh_auto_install -- --install-lib /usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/ (or something like that)
[14:15] <cjwatson> To answer the general question, once you've built the .deb you can use 'dpkg -c foo.deb' to see its filesystem tree
[14:16] <oly> okay i will look into dh_auto_install been following guides but could not find any that explained how you handle installing files to different locations
[14:16] <ogra_> or dpkg -L foo if the package is installed already
[14:16] <oly> okay, yeah i have not installed it on the basis i have no idea where the files would be going :)
[14:17] <tumbleweed> even easier, just run "debc" in the build directory, after building
[14:17] <ogra_> use dpkg -c foo.deb then, as cjwatson suggested
[14:18] <tumbleweed> ogra_: as to what I was suggesting with dh_auto_install, that's an override, so:
[14:18] <tumbleweed> override_dh_auto_install:
[14:19] <tumbleweed>         dh_auto_install -- --install-lib .......
[14:21] <oly> okay cheers for the info given me some thing to look into :)
[14:21] <tumbleweed> under the hood, it's just passing that as an argument to setup.py install
[15:20] <mterry> shadeslayer, uploaded opencv fix and threw over to Debian for ya.  Thanks!
[15:24] <mterry> shadeslayer, I did edit the patch slightly.  You dropped the (>= 3.9.4) requirement on libtiff-dev.  I figured that ought to still be there
[15:26] <ScottK> mterry: libtiff-dev is a virtual package, so versions are meaningless.
[15:28] <mterry> ScottK, oh hmm.  touche.  shadeslayer, sorry for doubting you.  :)
[15:44] <Riddell> mdeslaur: this says requires openmotif http://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=2323812&productId=1689163
[15:44] <mdeslaur> Riddell: yeah, just saw that...thanks
[16:02] <tumbleweed> stgraber: ta (verifying my SRUs)
[16:04] <stgraber> tumbleweed: np, that was an easy one ;)
[16:13] <oly> got another pacakging query any one know what these messages are telling me and how i can fix them :)
[16:13] <oly> dh_prep: No compatibility level specified in debian/compat
[16:13] <oly> dh_prep: This package will soon FTBFS; time to fix it!
[16:13] <oly> the debian/compat is in particular confusing as i have the file with value 7 in it
[16:14] <cjwatson> You must have it in the wrong place, or it must have some other stuff in it as well, or something
[16:15] <cjwatson> cat -et debian/compat
[16:15] <oly> that return 7$
[16:15] <oly> not sure where the $ came from
[16:15] <cjwatson> That's from cat -e
[16:15] <cjwatson> man cat
[16:15] <cjwatson> So you must have the file in the wrong place, I guess
[16:16] <oly> lol, not sure how as all my other packaging files are in the same place ie in ./debian
[16:16] <oly> if it was the wrong place i would expect nothing to work :)
[16:17] <oly> will dig a bit further :)
[16:17] <oly> whats this one telling me This package will soon FTBFS; time to fix it
[16:17] <oly> no idea what FTBFS stands for
[16:17] <ogra_> failed to build from source
[16:17] <oly> guessing its deprecation style notice and i should be using something else
[16:18] <oly> aha thats usefull to know thanks :)
[16:18] <ogra_> (or failing or fails ... not sure about the exact grammar here)
[16:19] <oly> at least that gives me some clues :)
[16:21] <oly> not that it helps me figure out what i will need fix, but googling that may give better results
[16:22] <cjwatson> If you want further help you probably need to put the whole source package somewhere that somebody else can look at it
[16:23] <oly> okay one sec i have it on launchpad
[16:31] <cjwatson> oly: Sure, I could look at a package / build log / etc. on Launchpad
[16:32] <oly> yeah jsut need to setup this machine so i can upload to launchpad again, i formatted it recently :p
[16:46] <oly> lol silly me trying to upload the code outlined the issue obviously i have to commit the files before packaging picks them up :)
[16:52] <SpamapS> @pilot in
[16:53] <SpamapS> hallyn: https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/quantal/pulseaudio/pa-upstart/+merge/112650 .. hey can you fix the spelling mistakes in the changelog?
[16:53] <ogra_> hmm, since when did we stop adding users to the dialout group ?
[16:54]  * ogra_ just noticed that he cant use an usb to serial adapter on a fresh precise install
[16:55] <hallyn> SpamapS: you accuse me of spelling errors?  no scotch for you!
[16:55] <hallyn> lemme check
[16:55] <SpamapS> mmmm scotch
[16:56] <SpamapS> hallyn: how would you feel about completely deprecating /etc/default/pulseaudio as part of this switch?
[16:57] <hallyn> SpamapS: i don't particularly care :)  how do we properly do this without upsetting users?
[16:57] <hallyn> SpamapS: setting ":set spell" in vim, how do I correctly spell SpamapS?  :)
[16:57] <SpamapS> hallyn: if we replace the file with a comment that says "# This file is deprecated please edit /etc/init/pulseaudio.conf directly" then they'll get prompted for the config file merge
[16:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: "superamazingdude"
[16:58] <hallyn> they'll only get prompted if they had made changes then?
[16:58] <hallyn> (cause i hate HATE prompts)
[17:01] <hallyn> SpamapS: updated and pushed (but not yet tested)
[17:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: you've got conflicts ;)
[17:03] <hallyn> feh, how come bzr push didn't tell me that
[17:04] <SpamapS> +	[ -r /etc/default/pulseaudio ] && . /etc/default/pulseaudio
[17:04] <stgraber> slangasek: I'm taking a look at the sysvinit merge as one of the bugfixes is on the list for 12.04.1. Let me know if you already had some of it done somewhere.
[17:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: because you pushed to your branch, not to the target
[17:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: so now that you've deprecated /etc/default/pulseaudio, you should remove that line
[17:04] <slangasek> stgraber: I haven't started on it, but please be very careful about reviewing the Debian changes... *particularly* the ones with my name on them
[17:05] <slangasek> stgraber: because there are some changes in there regarding upstart compat in Debian that are not ready to go in, as-is, for Ubuntu
[17:05] <hallyn> SpamapS: yup, merging and fixing
[17:05] <hallyn> (bzr ci helps too)
[17:05] <SpamapS> slangasek: so, does it make sense to use /run even if you're not expecting something to start in early boot, or should things just continue using /var/run indefinitely if they never expect to be early boot (like pulseaudio)
[17:06] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, looking at the delta we had and the amount of changes in Debian since the last release I'm starting to wonder if I really want to spend all that time on the merge and shouldn't instead just cherry-pick the bit I need (the /run/shm fix) ;)
[17:06] <hallyn> stgraber: i do apologize for dumping that merge on you.  but ^ that's why I fjeered to do it myself :)
[17:09] <hallyn> stgraber: d'oh, luke merged the upstart change.  canceling that merge request
[17:09] <slangasek> SpamapS: I would go by whatever we put in debian-policy about this.  In terms of technical implementation, /run and /var/run are equally fine for quantal, and one is a symlink to the other /anyway/, but if this needs to be in Debian too, a pre-dep is still needed until after the wheezy release; the FHS itself hasn't been updated to obsolete /var/run
[17:10] <slangasek> SpamapS: so my own position is to not do any work to move things to /run unless they're early-boot
[17:11] <hallyn> SpamapS: too bad i can't just 'cancel' the request without deleting it - there is valuable info in there
[17:14] <SpamapS> slangasek: so with PA being converted to an upstart job.. its not so much "doing work" as "making a choice"
[17:14] <SpamapS> hallyn: ok so the item is merged?
[17:15] <hallyn> SpamapS: yeah, though without the changes you'd recommended
[17:15] <SpamapS> hallyn: well good we can now optimize ;)
[17:15] <stgraber> hallyn: diffing the postinsts, looks like that's the bit we want right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102118/
[17:15] <SpamapS> hallyn: its one of those death-by-1000-papercuts things.. but I am on board now with fully deprecating all /etc/default files used in upstart jobs
[17:16] <SpamapS> hallyn: and in this case its a nice win because the pre-start will just spawn one /bin/sh, see the env var, and stop/exit
[17:16] <SpamapS> for 90% of systems anyway
[17:17] <SpamapS> actually...
[17:17] <slangasek> SpamapS: converted to an upstart job> howso?
[17:17] <SpamapS> I wonder if we shouldn't promote a different thing entirely in this case
[17:17] <hallyn> SpamapS: othe rchanges you'd suggested too, like not startong on starting udev
[17:17] <SpamapS> why are we using an env var?
[17:17] <hallyn> SpamapS: what are the implications of not using env?
[17:17] <slangasek> SpamapS: are we changing how we're starting pa?  We've always started it per-user
[17:17] <SpamapS> hallyn: realistically.. we should just have the start on commented out, and a comment in there '# Uncomment this line to enable system mode'
[17:18] <SpamapS> slangasek: the init.d script was for the off case
[17:18] <SpamapS> or rather
[17:18] <SpamapS> system case
[17:18] <hallyn> stgraber: (looking, trying to remember)
[17:18] <SpamapS> slangasek: it still defaults to not starting
[17:18] <slangasek> SpamapS: right, ok
[17:18] <SpamapS> but.. I'm looking at it and realizing it really shouldn't have a start on
[17:18] <slangasek> SpamapS: so I would use /var/run, but I also don't think it's a big deal either way in that case
[17:18] <stgraber> hallyn: that matches the git commit by slangasek and covers my understanding of the problem, though I'm not sure if we need more than just that bit
[17:18] <SpamapS> slangasek: agreed
[17:18] <slangasek> it's not like we're going to try to push a pa upstart job to Debian before wheezy
[17:19] <SpamapS> yeah, and we're also not going to backport this to pre-oneiric
[17:19] <hallyn> stgraber: I"m not sure,
[17:19] <hallyn> stgraber: long as we're cherrypicking, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/974584/comments/21
[17:21] <hallyn> stgraber: they're not *quite* the same...  iow slangasek's suggestion would have been ' ! mountpoint /dev/shm', not /dev
[17:21] <SpamapS> hallyn: so.. to wrap this up. I would remove the PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START env var, and just replace that with a commented out start on
[17:21] <hallyn> SpamapS: and still replace mkdir/chown/chmod with install :)
[17:21] <hallyn> and fix the commented-out start on, and remove the .default
[17:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: right
[17:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: any idea whats with the post-start stuff?
[17:22] <SpamapS> that seems like things that PA should be doing on its own
[17:24] <hallyn> SpamapS: agreed, though i do recall the sysvinit script did it too.  yes we coudl just patch the daemon to do it
[17:24] <SpamapS> hallyn: just seems like thats the wrong place to do it
[17:24] <SpamapS> hallyn: anyway, I'll move on from this item.. bump me when you have an update and I'll take a gander
[17:26] <hallyn> sigh
[17:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: yeah I don't see any existing code for setting ownership of the the cookies.  Perhaps someone should push that upstream (configurable), but that won't likely be me
[17:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah just leave it
[17:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: seems like the "system mode" of PA is a corner case anyway
[17:34] <stgraber> hallyn: my diff was against what's in Debian which doesn't match what's in git. What's in git looks better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102146/
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: and I agree that the mountpoint check should only be against /dev/shm as slangasek suggested
[17:36] <hallyn> stgraber: great.
[17:36] <stgraber> hallyn: pushing http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102150/ to a PPA for quantal and precise, will do some tests before I'm confident uploading that :)
[17:48] <seb128>  @SRU team: is there any motivated member who wants to review the unity precise SRU just uploaded? we would like to get it early rather than late to keep open the possibility to do another SRU round for the 12.04.1 desktop freeze
[17:48] <seb128>
[17:48] <seb128> some notes
[17:48] <seb128>  - the list of bugs fixed in that SRU is quite long
[17:48] <seb128>  - some of the bugs are not fully SRU-rules-compliant yet, but the vast majority is, the #ps guys are working on finishing testcases etc for the remaining ones
[17:48] <seb128>  (I don't think we should block the SRU on that)
[17:48] <seb128>  - the update got quite some solid testing already, some people are running it for a week and it went through several round of checkbox manual test and automatic testing
[17:48] <seb128>  with some issues found and fixed during the week
[17:48] <seb128>
[17:48] <seb128>  to do it short: it's going to be a bit tricky to review but it got solid automated and manual testing and we are confident it should create no issue
[17:48] <seb128>  ;-)
[17:49] <seb128> SpamapS, bdmurray, ScottK, slangasek, infinity: ^
[17:50]  * ScottK is about to leave for his daughter's art show, so no.
[17:50] <seb128> ScottK, thanks for replying anyway, enjoy the show ;-)
[17:51] <slangasek> seb128: I have a train ride this evening which should be good for some SRU reviewing... but AIUI mdadm is still blocking on me so that's my first priority
[17:51] <SpamapS> seb128: I'm on patch pilot today, and slangasek won't be able to do his normal SRU shift today I think. So I think you're down to bdmurray and infinity. ;)
[17:52] <bdmurray> infinity: said he'd take slangasek's shift
[17:52] <seb128> well I tried my chance anyway, I was expecting it would be hard to get review today ;-)
[17:52] <SpamapS> seb128: I can look at the bugs w/o docs and see if they're worth waving through tho
[17:52] <bdmurray> I may have some time in my afternoon
[17:52] <seb128> slangasek, maybe the week of ppa, checkbox, automatic testing, jenkins etc gives you enough confidence to have an half an hour look in the train to spot anything stupid and if you don't wave it in? ;-)
[17:53] <infinity> I'll be doing some of vorlon's SRUy bits today, yeah.  But if he wants unity, it's all his. :P
[17:53] <seb128> well anyway I wanted to give some context
[17:54] <seb128> it will get it when it gets in
[17:54] <slangasek> seb128: maybe... it's mostly a question of whether I have enough half hours ;)
[17:54] <seb128> thanks guys ;-)
[19:43] <shadeslayer> mterry: thanks for the upload
[19:50] <shadeslayer> small problem though, it's in dep wait, apparently it can't find libtiff-dev
[19:52] <shadeslayer> well ... I think maybe because you versioned it ...
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:02] <stgraber> hallyn, slangasek: so, while testing the fix for bug 974584 I found an even more common bug (that was likely thought to be 974584). Complete fix now looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102362/
[20:03] <stgraber> I tested it in lxc and it seems to do the right thing here and I believe I guarded it even that it shouldn't affect any other scenario, but I'd really like to have you two take a look at it :)
[20:03] <hallyn> stgraber: looking
[20:04] <shadeslayer> so, could someone re-fix opencv ? ( Drop the versioning for libtiff-dev )
[20:04] <stgraber> slangasek: basically, we have a workaround in lxc to make /dev/shm a symlink to /run/shm but it only works when /run/shm exist, which stopped being true late in the 12.04 cycle, so quite a lot of containers are still broken...
[20:05] <stgraber> slangasek: that code I added detects these cases and fixes them before the rest of the code is executed. Without that bit, any initscripts update (or even reinstall) will fail in lxc (as apparmor will block the bind-mount)
[20:06] <stgraber> hallyn: it looks like the "mountpoint -d" is magic enough to work at detecting bind-mounts, but if you know of a better way of detecting these, I'm happy to change the check
[20:06] <hallyn> stgraber: no apart from picking through /proc/self/mountinfo - mountpoint -d is better
[20:06] <hallyn> stgraber: but, can th emv work right if something is actively using the devshm?
[20:10] <stgraber> hallyn: I expect some problems around that actually but I can't think of a better way to deal with it to be honnest... as long as all processes using a given shm entry have it open, it won't be a problem. I guess it'd probably become a problem if something else tries to open it before from the new location while some others still read it from the old/non-existing location.
[20:15] <hallyn> stgraber: if anything caches the inodes #, i s waht i was thinking
[20:18] <stgraber> hallyn: it also depends whether they are currently using /run/shm or /dev/shm, I'm trying to check that part now
[20:20] <hallyn> stgraber: i supposeit *might* be safer to do something like "mv /dev/shm /dev/shm.bak; rsync -va /dev/shm.bak/ /run/shm/; compat_link /run/shm /dev/shm"
[20:22] <stgraber> hallyn: the only difference I see with that approach is that you can still "see" the files, but the result for something using the shm entry should be identical
[20:22] <stgraber> as anything that has an open fd will still be able to read/write and anything that doesn't won't know to look in /dev/shm.bak so will access the copy in /run/shm
[20:24] <hallyn> stgraber: yup
[20:24] <hallyn> but note if you don't do that, if something has a /dev/shm/xyz file open, your mv may fail, making upgrade fail (non-reproducibly)
[20:25] <hallyn> i don't know if that's a real concern or not, just bringing it up
[20:25] <jderose> hello, i'm hoping to find someone able to review/sponsor this couchdb 1.2.0 package - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/couchdb/+bug/1022515
[20:26] <stgraber> hallyn: why would mv fail if a file is open? I thought only Windows did that :)
[20:26] <hallyn> stgraber: bc mv accross devices will 'cp; rm' right?
[20:27] <stgraber> right, but you can rm a file that's still open
[20:27] <hallyn> maybe it won't fail, maybe just the inode will be kept open.  true
[20:27] <hallyn> stgraber: yeah nm.  go with what you've got :)
[20:28] <stgraber> still doing one more test to see whether when both /dev/shm and /run/shm exist, entries are created in /run or /dev by default, to see how bad it's going to be on upgrade ;)
[20:30] <mhall119> jderose: my usual go-to guys are all in Europe and gone for the weekend already :(
[20:31] <jderose> mhall119: now prob, thank you :)
[20:31] <jderose> mhall119: so when is the deadline for this sort of change without an exception?
[20:32] <mhall119> lets check the schedule
[20:32] <mhall119> Feature Freeze is the week of Aug. 23rd
[20:33] <jderose> okay, good to know, thanks
[20:33] <mhall119> np
[20:38] <george_e> Who do I need to talk to to get access to this page: https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~racarr/unity-web-api-docs/unity-web-api-reference.html
[20:38] <george_e> Apparently I don't have permission to access it.
[20:41] <stgraber> george_e: chinstreap is Canonical-only IIRC, if it's meant to be public, racarr should move it to lillypilly (people.canonical.com) that's publicly accessible
[20:41] <ScottK> george_e: First you have to get hired by Canonical.
[20:41] <george_e> Oh... okay. Is there a copy of the documentation somewhere else that I can read?
[20:44] <tumbleweed> google turns up http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html
[20:48] <george_e> tumbleweed: Ah, thanks.
[20:49] <stgraber> the exact same page is actually: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/unity-web-api-reference.html
[20:49] <stgraber> but he's gone, so I guess he found the link :)
[20:49]  * tumbleweed didn't stop to read it, but it looked unity-web-api ish
[20:49] <tumbleweed> :)
[20:52] <stgraber> hallyn, slangasek: did a bunch more tests and can't find anything obviously wrong with that change. Will push to quantal now so I can properly test debootstrap and will also push to precise-proposed. If anything else comes to mind, please shout and I'll fix.
[20:53] <stgraber> will test in quantal with debootstrap as soon as it's published and do a precise => quantal container upgrade, these are the last checks I can't easily do with the PPA
[20:53] <hallyn> stgraber: great, thanks
[21:27] <SpamapS> hallyn: one more nit-pick..  pre-start is only one line, so it can be 'pre-start exec install ...'
[21:38] <hallyn> i didn't know you could od that
[21:45] <hallyn> SpamapS: pushed
[21:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah, the less script's, the less forks, the less microseconds wasted ;)
[21:47] <hallyn> i'd like to see my boot time below 7 secs, so +1
[21:47] <SpamapS> actually no.. no fork saved.. but one exec saved
[21:48] <SpamapS> hallyn: you also have the issue with lightdm needing to slow down right?
[21:48] <hallyn> SpamapS: not any more.  whatever suggestion you had made worked for me
[21:49] <hallyn> SpamapS: i'm playing with vde2.  getting ready to push on its MIR.  especially since vdeqemu no longer ships with vde2.  (could be wrong, thought you'd been interested in the past)
[22:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: uploading now (finally)
[22:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: \o/
[23:20] <SpamapS> @pilot out


[00:04] <infosoft> It's the first time I'm writing in this channel :) What do you mean by suggestions?
[00:08] <jenkins> infosoft: any ideas on a good document class that I can use for my newsletter. does that make more sense?
[00:13] <infosoft> jenkins: Usually I use \documentclass[a4paper, 12pt]{article}. I don't know what's best for you, maybe \documentclass{letter}.
[00:13] <jenkins> I  have not tired letter I will do
[00:13] <infosoft> Now it's time to go back watching Black Lagoon anime :D
[00:15] <jenkins> have fun :)
[00:17] <infosoft> jenkins: Thanks! I recommend: Angel Beats!; Arakawa Under the Bridge; Bakemonogatari; Black Lagoon. If you like ecchi, then you must see Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou
[00:17] <jenkins> I have never watched anime I will have to do so some time
[00:19] <jenkins> I am off to bed night all
[09:16] <trijntje> Hi all, the Dutch team would like to have the permissions to translate the Manual to Dutch set to structured, how would we accomplish this?
[09:18] <dpm> hi trijntje, this is something that can only be done on a global (i.e. for all teams) basis. You'd have to ask the manual developers to change the permission policy there -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+settings
[09:25] <jenkins> trijntje: I  will grab ben when he is on he supposedly changed it but It does not look like he did. He will know what he did.
[09:28] <trijntje> jenkins, ok, I'm not sure how the manual developers want things to be in LP.
[09:29] <jenkins> I dont see why it cant be changed, the e-mail i have implies it was. so I will ask our lead what he did and then check if it is ok to change it
[09:30] <trijntje> Thanks, ill just hang around here and see what happens
[09:35] <jenkins> bens in new zeland so if you have to leave feel free to private message me your e-mail and I will get back to you
[09:47] <trijntje> sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE
[09:47] <trijntje> oops, wrong window
[11:31] <jenkins> join /#latex
[11:31] <jenkins> man how did i get that wrong
[11:32] <nisshh> hehe
[11:33] <jenkins> hey nisshh
[11:33] <nisshh> jenkins: hey
[16:11] <vikas> any one here
[16:11] <nisshh> ...no
[16:11] <nisshh> vikas: kidding :)
[16:11] <vikas> ok thnx
[16:12] <vikas>  ok i have the booting problem blank screen apper with the curcer
[16:12] <vikas> also get error error failed to acquire org.genome.displaymanager : cannection ":1.133"........
[16:13] <nisshh> wait, this is a boot problem with ubuntu?
[16:14] <vikas> it is not using gdm
[16:15] <nisshh> vikas: are you using quickshot?
[16:16] <vikas> dont know i am new to ubuntu ?
[16:17] <nisshh> vikas: ah, right, this is not the right channel then, you should be asking in #ubuntu for that
[16:17] <nisshh> vikas: i think your getting affected by a bug, ask in #ubuntu about it and they will help you out
[16:20] <vikas> i did try no one knows about it
[16:21] <nisshh> vikas: urh, thats a shame, but this is not a support channel, you might try your own loco, or some other support channel
[16:21] <vikas> ok well thanks for suport
[16:22] <nisshh> vikas: no probs, sorry i cant help, but its just not the right place :)
[16:22] <vikas> no prob
[16:24] <vikas> well can i get user manual at home i am in india mumbai
[16:27] <nisshh> vikas: you mean a copy of The Ubuntu Manual?
[16:29] <vikas> ya a book
[16:29] <nisshh> vikas: ubuntu-manual.org
[16:29] <nisshh> download a free pdf that the people in this channel made
[16:30] <vikas> ok, i want to buy the book
[16:30] <nisshh> vikas: ah, you know you dont have to?
[16:30] <nisshh> you can have it for free
[16:30] <vikas> how?
[16:31] <nisshh> you download it
[16:31] <nisshh> from that website
[16:31] <infosoft> It's a lot more interesting to read a book than to read from monitor screen :)
[16:31] <nisshh> its a .pdf file
[16:31] <nisshh> infosoft: print version :)
[16:34] <vikas> ok i havet to print, well it will be good to bye a book rather then printing it , it became expensive
[16:35] <nisshh> yea
[16:35] <nisshh> vikas: follow the directions on the site
[16:35] <infosoft> It's not expensive if you refill printer yourself ;)
[16:36] <infosoft> I mean refilling ink cartridges
[16:36] <vikas> well i dont have printer
[16:37] <nisshh> hehe, that could be problematic while printing :)
[16:37] <vikas> hehe
[16:40] <infosoft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX09WnGU6ZY
[16:40] <infosoft> It's not problem if you have Lego :D
[16:42] <nisshh> infosoft: that is awesome :)
[16:42] <infosoft> Yeah, just incredible
[16:56] <infosoft> Who could update ubuntu-manual.org Lithuanian template? I've fixed some translations (style errors, etc.) and now it's finally perfect (i.e. appropriate), so I'd like to see updated website and to check again for some style mistakes and so on...
[18:32] <jenkins> godbyk: ping
[20:53] <godbyk> infosoft: I usually handle updating the translations of the PDFs, but not the website text itself.  For that, I'd recommend talking to daker.
[20:54] <infosoft> OK, I'll try "to catch" him :)
[21:43] <c7p> hello
[22:05] <jenkins> hey c7p
[22:06] <c7p> hi jenkins
[22:14] <c7p> godbyk are you around ?
[22:26] <godbyk> hey, c7p
[22:27] <c7p> have you worked on the manual ?
[22:27] <godbyk> yep
[22:27] <godbyk> been working on it this afternoon, in fact.
[22:30] <c7p> cool
[22:31] <c7p> if there is anything i can do let me know ;) ah btw which bugs have been fixed ( http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3sIwez7O8A ) ?
[22:32] <jenkins> godbyk: I sorted my news letter the error we could not work out was I had a ) not a }. Thanks for your help
[22:36] <infosoft> jenkins: Was \documentclass{letter} useful for you?
[22:36] <jenkins> infosoft: I ended up sticking with article but using \section*{} to remove the numbers. Thanks for the suggestions though
[22:37] <c7p> guys it's hot here >:o... it's 30 degrees Celsius and it's 00:40 ! what's the weather like where you live ?
[22:37] <infosoft> Letter style doesn't support \section :)
[22:38] <infosoft> It's 27.1 degrees Celcius in my room (Vilnius, Lithuania). :)
[22:39] <c7p> still pretty warm :)
[22:39] <godbyk> c7p: I'll update the pad in a moment.  trying to chase down a couple of the bugs still.
[22:39] <c7p> godbyk: good to know
[22:40] <godbyk> infosoft: 29 C here at the moment.
[22:40] <jenkins> infosoft: yea thats why i swapped, I found a good example and used that to help
[22:40] <infosoft> You're lucky! I'd love to live somewhere in Norway.
[22:40] <godbyk> jenkins: you can just use the command \setcounter{secnumdepth}{-1} to turn off section numbering.
[22:41] <infosoft> \section* is a lot easier :)
[22:41] <jenkins> thanks godbyk, i think that makes more sense as i type section automatically and forget the *
[22:42] <infosoft> jenkins: but what if you'll need numbering in some of the sections?
[22:42] <godbyk> infosoft: \section* has the side effect of not including the sections in the table of contents, though.
[22:43] <jenkins> infosoft: good point
[22:43] <infosoft> Wow, thanks. I didn't noticed it
[22:43] <jenkins> godbyk: I don't have a contents yet but also good point
[22:43] <godbyk> oh, and \documentclass{letter} is ugly and horrible.  everyone avoids it. :)
[22:54] <jenkins> night all
[22:54] <godbyk> g'night, jenkins
[22:58] <c7p> g' night all


[13:18] <inashdeen> hi, i need some help in translation, my languages is malay (ms). let say i have to translate _input file mode. in malay, it will be, mod input fail. where do put the _ ?
[13:19] <geirha> Assuming this is a gtk app, the _ indicates the mnemonic
[13:19] <geirha> with "_input file mode", alt+i will select that option from the menu
[13:20] <inashdeen> so... where to do i put the "_" on mod input fail ?
[13:20] <geirha> So you'll want to take care that you put it in-front of a character that is not already a mnemonic in that same menu
[13:21] <geirha> "mod _input fail"
[13:22] <geirha> keeps it the same as the english
[13:22] <inashdeen> i dont really understand. actually i am not a programmer. I am just a translator. I dont really understand.
[13:23] <geirha> ok, with your irc client in focus, hold down the Alt key and look at the menu-bar.
[13:23] <geirha> Do you see one character in each menu gets a line under it?
[13:25] <inashdeen> ok, thanks :) now i understand. so let say i have ( for example only), _black penguin settings. in malay it will be tetapan (settings) penguin _hitam (black). right? yes, i do get the bar.
[13:26] <geirha> inashdeen: It could also be _tetapan penguin hitam or t_etapan penguin hitam  ... you really have to look at the whole menu and see what character best fits as the mnemonic
[13:26] <geirha> If none of the others use the h, then _hitam is good
[13:26] <inashdeen> what is the whole menu?
[13:27] <geirha> inashdeen: Let's say you have a program that has a File, Edit and Help menu.
[13:27] <inashdeen> ok, I understand now. I will look into that afterward.
[13:27] <geirha> File Edit and Help must have unique mnemonics, e.g. _File _Edit and _Help.
[13:28] <inashdeen> is it like, F for file and E for edit? like that?
[13:28] <geirha> let's say you select File, then you get a dropdown with e.g. _New _Open etc, those have to be unique within that submenu, but it's ok to use E and H, even though E and H are used in the parent
[13:29] <geirha> to get to the Open there with the keyboard, you'd hit  alt+fo
[13:30] <geirha> If you have something using E in the File drop-down, you use alt+fe, which does not collide with alt+e
[13:30] <geirha> does that make sense? :)
[13:30] <inashdeen> ok, I kinda get it now. i suppose, i will stick with the based on english settings. then we run it in the system and evaluate for any error. let say there is, we will modify it accordingly. thanks.
[13:31] <geirha> yes
[13:35] <inashdeen> in second issue. I read on translator wiki that certain words are case sensitive. let say I have something like this: System Settings preferences. notice the non capital on preferences. Should it be Keutamaan (preferences) Tetapan (Settings) Sistem  or simply keutamaan Tetapan Sistem ?
[13:40] <geirha> I'd use the correct casing for your language there
[13:41] <inashdeen> Come again?
[13:41] <geirha> I don't think Settings should be capitalized even in english
[13:41] <geirha> There's no case-sensitivity issue with that string
[13:43] <geirha> Hence, in your language, write it according to your language's rules about capitalization.
[13:43] <inashdeen> ok, sorry then. hurm. let say there is a case sensitive issue and preferences (keutamaan) in my language is put infront of the word System settings ( beginning of a line), should it be capitalize or not? I need it for future refrence
[13:44] <geirha> case-sensitivity is typically an issue when there's actual code in the string
[13:45] <inashdeen> ok, i think i got it now. thanks. by the way, my language posess similar capitalization format like english. capital in front of a new line
[13:45] <geirha> In a python application, there might be something like "%(user)s is logged in."
[13:45] <inashdeen> ok,
[13:45] <geirha> in that case, %(user)s must remain as is in the translation
[13:45] <inashdeen> yes, i read that on the wiki :)
[13:46] <geirha> could you paste the url to that wiki page?
[13:47] <geirha> Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
[13:49] <inashdeen> ok thanks geirha:
[13:49] <inashdeen> here it is : https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/LaunchpadTranslators
[13:49] <inashdeen> sorry, its not a wiki, a help page. i always think of it as wiki
[13:51] <geirha> I only see something about case sensitivity for xml-tags
[14:00] <inashdeen> I don't really understand about computer language, that is why i came here to make myself understand :) I am just a medical student.
[18:46] <Oldak> Hi guys, I'm interested in participating in translating Ubuntu into Latin. This language package is restricted and does not have an oversight team, so translating is not currently possible. I'm interested in setting up an Ubuntu Latin Translators group, but ubuntu-l10n-la is dead. How should I go about requesting admin status for this group (the owner hasn't had any activity since 2006)?