[12:44] <PieD> I just installed the latest breezy snapshot under qemu, and I see :
[12:44] <PieD> "Starting RAID devices"
[12:44] <PieD> quite useless, isn't it ?
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, not if you choose to use linux's soft-raid
[12:45] <PieD> I didn't
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, thats not the point
[12:45] <PieD> I also see :
[12:45] <PieD> "Setting up LVM volume groups"
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, the soft-raid stuff is installed as part of the base linux install
[12:45] <PieD> "Starting EVMS"
[12:45] <PieD> that's useless, time and memory consuming
[12:45] <nikkia> i'd say EVMS should be removed, but LVM is part of soft-raid :)
[12:45] <PieD> especially evms AND lvm
[12:46] <PieD> nikkia: isn't it only device mapper ?
[12:46] <PieD> LVM isn't device mapper
[12:46] <nikkia> PieD: they're not functional equivalents
[12:46] <PieD> but that services aren't necessary on most computers
[12:46] <nikkia> pied, if someone enables a LVM group, and kubuntu doesn't start it up, they'd be annoyed
[12:47] <nikkia> pied, and afaik, it doesn't waste memory really anyway
[12:47] <PieD> the detection of LVM is possible
[12:47] <PieD> it wastes CPU time for the boot
[12:47] <nikkia> PieD: oh no, half a second longer boots, the horrors!
[12:47] <PieD> ubuntu doesn't start really quickly, why overloading it ?
[12:48] <PieD> it'd be more something like 2 seconds
[12:49] <PieD> (so about 3% of the boot process)
[12:50] <nikkia> and how often do you reboot ?
[12:51] <PieD> I ? only one time a day
[12:51] <PieD> but a lot of users I know halt and start their computer 5 times a day
[12:52] <PieD> (about 5...)
[12:52] <nikkia> they're doing something wrong then :)
[12:52] <PieD> yes, I know
[12:52] <nikkia> i reboot once every 3-4 months on average
[12:53] <PieD> I hate such behaviors for non-server computers (letting it running 24 hours a day)
[12:53] <nikkia> why? its safer
[12:53] <nikkia> themal shock is the enemy of a modern PC
[12:53] <nikkia> thermal, even
[12:53] <PieD> it's energy consuming
[12:53] <buz> no heat is the enemy of drives
[12:54] <nikkia> buz, thermal shock is more dangerous to them
[12:55] <buz> ever tried to rma a drive that got over 55 once?
[12:55] <nikkia> buz, a HDD will survive for pretty much its rated life at any temperature over 0C and under 55C, if you're over 55C you're going to have serious trouble
[12:55] <buz> no
[12:55] <ztonzy> nice, just got my 15 Ubuntu CD's to give away :)
[12:55] <buz> even at 55 its life will be vastly shorter
[12:55] <buz> for best measure, be below 40
[12:55] <buz> same goes for psus, btw
[12:56] <nikkia> buz, the fact remains, thermal shock going from room temp to 55C  more than occasionally, is going to do more damage than running at 55C is, anyway
[12:57] <buz> mh i have more drives seen fail running 24/7 at high temperatures than those in desktops
[12:57] <nikkia> IBM deathstars may fair better there, assuming they're not the bad deathstars :)
[12:57] <ztonzy> nikkia: mine was :-\
[12:57] <buz> deathstars arent even supposed to be run 24*7
[12:57] <nikkia> buz, glass platters survive thermal shock better than metal platters tho
[12:58] <buz> u sure?
[12:58] <nikkia> buz, yes
[12:58] <buz> ever tried shock cooling hot glass?
[12:58] <buz> not even expensive laboratory glass particularly likes it
[12:59] <nikkia> buz, thats something different
[12:59] <buz> if that reasoning was true, notebook drives would have to fail all the time
[01:05] <nikkia> buz, out of all the drives i've owned, i've only ever had  4 die before they got thrown away for being ridiculously small
[01:05] <buz> mhh ive had die plenty
[01:05] <Will__> I need to rig up a cooling solution for this box. 4 HDDS and the main drive locks when it overheats
[01:05] <buz> more than i replaced for being too small
[01:05] <buz> Will__: get a antec slk3700 case
[01:05] <nikkia> and of those 4, 2 were a defective seagate design, 1 was a quantum scsi-3 that 'died' then started working miraculously months later (stuck platter), and still worked when it was tossed
[01:06] <buz> you can put a nice slow 120mm fan in front of the 6 drives it can hold
[01:06] <nikkia> the last remaining drive in the list, was a 80GB deathstar that was in theory one of the bad ones, but survived 4 years before it started clicking
[01:06] <Will__> buz: If I could afford that then I'd buy another drive to replace this flakey one
[01:06] <PieD> I just installed breezy
[01:06] <buz> i had everything besides samsung (which i dont own too long) die on me
[01:06] <buz> hows breezy these days?
[01:06] <PieD> and the X server tells me "version 6.8.2"
[01:06] <PieD> buz: buggy, but usable
[01:06] <PieD> (I installed it in qemu)
[01:06] <buz> is it nearing productive quality?
[01:06] <Will__> Did the deathstars not have 5 plates instead of 4, which made the heads more likely to crash into something?
[01:06] <buz> ah
[01:07] <buz> might do that some time :)
[01:07] <PieD> for instance, don't use kdm
[01:07] <buz> the small ones surely dont
[01:07] <PieD> I believed breezy was using X11R7 !!
[01:07] <buz> and i had all of them suckers die
[01:07] <buz> but also maxtor, western digital, seagate
[01:07] <Will__> I'll upgrade my os when e17 comes out!
[01:07] <buz> i treat drives as consumables, really
[01:07] <PieD> Will__: e17 sux
[01:07] <nikkia> buz, oh, i did once have a WD drive that was DOA
[01:07] <buz> they'll occasionally fail so you need backups ;)
[01:07] <Will__> PieD: since when?
[01:07] <nikkia> 20GB of bad sectors on a brand new out of the box 80GB drive
[01:08] <PieD> since it exists
[01:08] <buz> which in my case means rsyncing /home against one of our webservers
[01:08] <buz> also gives me fire proof backup ;)
[01:08] <nikkia> Will__: as i understood it, no, the deathstars were a standard 20GB/platter arrangement
[01:08] <buz> and at least in theory, access to all files from whereeve i am
[01:08] <nikkia> Will__: the major difference was that the platters were glass
[01:08] <buz> yes and i had 40gb ones die en masse
[01:09] <buz> i refuse to buy ibm / hitachi drives ever since
[01:09] <Will__> nikkia: Ahh. I'd heard different. Why did the glass not help?
[01:09] <nikkia> Will__: it did, if you had a good one
[01:09] <buz> i've come to the conclusion that they all are crap
[01:09] <buz> so i buy samsng, these are at least rather silent
[01:09] <nikkia> Will__: i suspect it was manufacturing defects in the glass that caused half the problems
[01:09] <buz> i suspect it was the logic
[01:09] <buz> we swapped logic boards once and it started to work again
[01:09] <Will__> nikkia: I can imagine making tolerant glass was/is much more difficult than doing the same with metal
[01:10] <nikkia> buz, still, not quite as nasty as the logic problem with my 2 seagates :)
[01:10] <nikkia> buz, a 131MB and a 250MB drive, both had fuses on the logic board *catch fire*
[01:10] <buz> mhh i had a couple of 3 year old seagates fail recently
[01:10] <seaLne> anyone using breezy could you do me a favour and check that you can access a basic auth protected page in konqueror? i'm very confused as to why this isn't working as from the looks of it konq hasn't changed in a while
[01:11] <buz> ok THATs bad
[01:11] <nikkia> buz, i also had a panasonic cdrom catch fire once :)
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> hey what do you guys to do make hdds fail?
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> mines haven't failed for like five years
[01:11] <buz> mhh i had a psu go up in smoke once
[01:11] <buz> of course i accidentally short circuited it
[01:11] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: i don't, usually
[01:11] <Will__> nikkia: I had a modem catch fire once. one of the older ones with a largish built in speaker
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> and i even move them to my friends every month
[01:12] <buz> the question is what do you do that yours dont fail
[01:12] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: i still have a 20yo scsi drive that works perfectly (slowly) somewhere
[01:12] <Will__> thick black smoke and all
[01:12] <buz> most of my friends pretty much accept that drives will fail occasionally
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> a drive failing is like...the end of the world to me
[01:12] <nikkia> of the 6 HDDs in my system right now, 4 of them are older than 5 years
[01:12] <buz> that's why i have raid1 ;)
[01:12] <buz> and offsite backup, at least daily ;)
[01:13] <nikkia> the 2 120GB drives are only slightly newer
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> isn't raid1 like half the space that you paid for, cause of data redudancy
[01:13] <buz> yes
[01:13] <buz> but ten times more valuable
[01:13] <buz> i cant stand data loss
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i dunno how you live with that...half as much space...
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i buy the cheapests disks ever, and utilize every single gigabyte that i can
[01:13] <Will__> EasterSunshine: You've just made 2 conflicting statements
[01:14] <Will__> And anybody who needs _lots_ of hdd space is a pirate. damn your eyes.
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> damn Will_ you are right....
[01:14] <nikkia> i might replace a couple of my smaller drives with 1 big SATA sometime soon
[01:14] <nikkia> since i've seen 300GB sata going for around 50
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> acutally, no, cause my hdds never failed, so i see no problem in having no backup drives
[01:15] <seaLne> single point of failure then
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> nikkia: !! link?
[01:15] <buz> trust me when one does, you'll understand why i use raid1
[01:15] <buz> thats cheap
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> i thought the cheapest possible was like 70 usd for 250 gigs
[01:16] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: thats not that far off 50/300G
[01:16] <buz> i cant get below 110USD for 250GB here :(
[01:16] <Will__> I'm going to need a raid card if I jam in another hdd for this box. along with a couple of fans. no airflow in the case
[01:16] <toma> libesd0 or  libesd-alsa ?
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> acutally, come to think of it, i've had my friends drives fail inside my boxes...guess my drives just have good luck
[01:18] <slow-motion> is it possible to put fortune in the signature from thunderbird? so that i have a new signature everytime i write an email.
[01:18] <buz> write an extension :)
[01:18] <buz> if there isnt one already
[01:18] <nikkia> actually, thinking about it, those 2 seagates didn't do too badly, i bought them in '92, they were my original linux installs, and they died in mid 96
[01:18] <EasterSunshine> sounds like a sciprting job
[01:20] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: that 50/300GB must have been a limited offer, the place has them for 88 now
[01:21] <buz> thats more in line
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> damn, i guess after counting shipping to us, it'll be unreasonably expensive...
[01:21] <slow-motion> i did not find an extension for thunderbird doind this
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> well thx for looking
[01:21] <buz> write one
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, i can't remember if they were DM9's, i suspect they were, cos the 88 is for a DM10
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, it would explain the cheap price if they were getting rid of DM9 stock
[01:21] <buz> maxtor are about the loudest drives there are
[01:22] <buz> they dont come near my pc again
[01:22] <nikkia> buz, well, i won't buy WD after the 20GB bad sectors incident :)
[01:22] <nikkia> especially when i was told that it was a problem the whole batch had :)
[01:22] <buz> as i  say, samsung for me
[01:22] <EasterSunshine> buz: all of my disks that never failed are maxtors
[01:22] <buz> i have had maxtors fail
[01:22] <nikkia> not me
[01:22] <buz> no wonder they sound like the bearings are broken from day 1
[01:23] <nikkia> except for the scsi3 quantum i mentioned
[01:23] <EasterSunshine> dang, i dunno what you guys do to your disks...
[01:23] <buz> of course i had like 30 drives in use over the last 5 years
[01:23] <nikkia> and i have a heard time saying 'that failed' really, when it started working again months later
[01:23] <buz> thats failed in my book
[01:23] <chx> not as a flame war -- i have just met Aqua the weekend -- is there any ongoing effort to create something like Aqua for Linux?
[01:23] <buz> a drive that starts reporting weird stuff goes to trash
[01:23] <buz> kde4 in some ways
[01:23] <nikkia> buz, i just moved it to a non-critical use
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> buz: you have the heart to throw out an hdd?
[01:24] <nikkia> buz, ie, it sat in my sampler where it just held copies of my sample CDs
[01:24] <buz> sure
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> thats crazy, even if mines were to fail, i would spend months trying to fix it
[01:24] <buz> i have a whole stack of defunct hds behind me
[01:24] <buz> no wait
[01:24] <buz> i brought them to recycling a few weeks ago
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> i'm not rich with drives, i only have six in the entire house
[01:24] <nikkia> buz, if it failed again, it was just a case of reloading the CDs, and the handful of personal samples that i always backed up to CD anyway
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> buz: warranties expired?
[01:24] <buz> mhh who knows
[01:25] <nikkia> buz, and it didn't fail again, in the 2 years i used it
[01:25] <buz> if they are less than half the psace of a new drive dont bother
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> omg, if i knew more ppl like you, buz...
[01:25] <buz> sending stuff back costs more than its worth
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> i would go to their house everyday and like sneak a drive into my pocket
[01:25] <buz> s&h and all that crap
[01:26] <buz> i treat hardware as disposable
[01:26] <buz> if it fails, tough luck
[01:26] <EasterSunshine> i treat hardware as children
[01:26] <buz> in generall, its not worth to bother
[01:26] <buz> seeing a shrink because of all the nerves RMA's cost is much more expensive
[01:26] <Phantom^^> YAY i got doom 3 working under kubuntu
[01:26] <seaLne> buz: it depends on how many disks are dead when it gets to about 5 or 6 i tend to return them
[01:27] <buz> its different with 2000$ cisco routers and stuff like that
[01:27] <buz> or 500$ lcds
[01:27] <buz> which have onsite anyhow
[01:28] <EasterSunshine> phantom^^: cedega?
[01:30] <Phantom^^> nope
[01:30] <Phantom^^> i got the linux install file from ids ftp server
[01:30] <Phantom^^> and got the .pk4 files from the win32 installtion disks
[01:30] <Phantom^^> and you can run in linux straight
[01:30] <EasterSunshine> aw man...that means like...paying for it and everything
[01:31] <Phantom^^> well not nessacerily but you have to pay for the cd key
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> well, any comments on performance?
[01:31] <buz> i'm sure you could run it without cd key
[01:31] <buz> offline at least
[01:31] <Phantom^^> first time load i set the settings to what i use under windows and its pretty good perfectly playable i need to tweak it though
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> phantom^^: meaning if i have already have a cd key, i'm good to go?
[01:31] <Phantom^^> yeah
[01:31] <Will__> gahhh. does somebody want to buy my coursebooks for me?
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> awesome
[01:32] <Phantom^^> buz it asks you for the cd key the first time you run it from the shell
[01:32] <buz> if you want to run it bad enough it wont ;)
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> lol
[01:33] <Phantom^^> heeh
[01:52] <dargo> hi all
[01:54] <dargo> Somebody knows if it is possible to add to support flash-player to the konqueror navigator?
[01:58] <EasterSunshine> dargo, i've been looking for that for a while also, better ask in #kde, maybe
[01:58] <dargo> ok, thanks EasterSunshine
[02:25] <_raven> hi
[02:39] <Psyco> hi
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:39] <Psyco> I have done a script and I want to run it at startup
[02:40] <Psyco> I have edited the kdmrc (/etc/kde3/kdm/)
[02:40] <Psyco> but I'm not sure if this is the correct file
[02:40] <Psyco> please
[02:41] <Psyco> I just want run my script on startup
[02:41] <Psyco> but I don't know how
[02:47] <Psyco> hi again
[02:48] <Psyco> I would like to change the configuration of my keyboard
[02:49] <Psyco> do you know how can I change the meaning of each key ?
[02:56] <Dhraakellian> diee, there's no need to /msg me
[02:57] <Dhraakellian> a) I'm marked as away and soon to be afk
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> b) if there's anything with which you need help, asking in the channel will get you more help most likely
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> c) /msged asl is rude
[03:07] <slow-motion> bye
[03:13] <sladen> diee: same here, please ask in the channel!
[03:15] <sladen> Dhraakellian: so what was...  I didn't get that lucky :(
[04:11] <bucher> #ubuntu-de
[04:12] <bucher> join #ubuntu-de
[04:16] <nikkia> that was rather silly
[04:16] <toma> thanks for the help passing acpi=off to the kernel helped
[04:16] <nikkia> i noticed my fcrontab entry didn't work at boot....
[04:16] <nikkia> then used the front end admin program, and discovered that the next scheduled run was in febuary 2006
[04:17] <nikkia> erm, febuary 2007
[04:17] <nikkia> it was interpreting '15m' as every 15 months, not 'every 15 minutes' :P
[04:17] <apokryphos> hah
[04:30] <scroll> hello ppl
[04:31] <scroll> can anyone send me a sources.list files for Kubuntu
[04:31] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:31] <jpatrick> :p
[04:32] <apokryphos> Nah, that won't have latest kde repos etc
[04:32] <scroll> <.8
[04:32] <jjesse> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#swmgmt
[04:32] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[04:32] <jpatrick> yeah
[04:32] <apokryphos> Good idea to do the GPG stuff too at...
[04:32] <apokryphos> !gpg
[04:32] <ubotu> it has been said that gpg is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[04:33] <scroll> i have the default sources.list from kubuntu, but i need other sources to install other packages like wireless apps ..
[04:34] <apokryphos> scroll: like what packages?
[04:34] <jpatrick> marillat ?
[04:35] <scroll> yes
[04:35] <apokryphos> bad idea
[04:35] <sproingie> marillat bad idea for ubuntu.  not made for ubuntu.
[04:35] <scroll> hum, okay :(
[04:35] <apokryphos> scroll: what *package* are you looking for?
[04:35] <apokryphos> Ubuntu repos should cover everything in those, really
[04:36] <apokryphos> presuming you have all universe/multiverse/hoary-extras/backports
[04:36] <jpatrick> what's marillat?
[04:36] <apokryphos> jpatrick: debian repository
[04:36] <scroll> mplayer, kismet wireless, and other wireless tools
[04:37] <scroll> thanks
[04:37] <apokryphos> scroll: yes, you should be able to get those
[04:37] <scroll> oki <.9
[04:37] <apokryphos> !info kismet
[04:37] <ubotu> kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2004.04.R1-5ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 935 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB
[04:38] <jpatrick> apo :  what are in the Other  user repositories
[04:38] <scroll> "enlightnement" what is this, some Kde-look.org desktop ?
[04:38] <apokryphos> jpatrick: which ones?
[04:38] <apokryphos> scroll: no -- it's another desktop environment
[04:38] <jpatrick> the ones in your sources.list file
[04:38] <jpatrick> ## Other  user repositories
[04:38] <apokryphos> comment out any things you don't want
[04:38] <Will__> E! is pretty nice, though complex to configure. I'm waiting for e17 to be a beautiful thing
[04:39] <apokryphos> jpatrick: oh; that originally had kdebluetooth and koffice 1.4.1 -- before Universe and stuff. They're repositories of a couple of kubuntu packagers
[04:39] <apokryphos> Will__: there's a repository with the beta
[04:39] <jpatrick> and enlightenment?
[04:40] <Will__> apokryphos: oh? got it to hand?
[04:40] <apokryphos> "Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work."
[04:40] <apokryphos> Will__: yup, see above
[04:41] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary/
[04:41] <apokryphos> gotta start using that /cmd more -- very handy ;-)
[04:42] <apokryphos> Will__: actually, there's some extra stuff you might have to do. One sec, I'll get the forum link
[04:43] <Will__> apokryphos: thanks
[04:44] <scroll> apokryphos: what packages do i need to install to have Enlightenment ?
[04:45] <apokryphos> There's these instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&page=1&pp=40 but they never worked for me, and someone's put in a disclaimer saying as much near the end
[04:45] <apokryphos> what I did was pretty much this though: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 -- didn't know that existed, which is cool.
[04:46] <apokryphos> scroll: enlightenment eutils is recommended
[04:46] <apokryphos> scroll: other good ones are emodules engage entrance eclair elicit entice examine eclips
[04:49] <jpatrick> can E work on 128MB RAM?
[04:50] <apokryphos> it's more lightweight than kde/gnome by default, at least
[04:50] <Will__> I've heard people claim E works better than G/K on lower end machines
[04:50] <Will__> depends what you do with it
[04:51] <wincide> hello all, i'd like to know if exists a way of disconnect a touchpad with a key combination ...
[04:51] <jpatrick> KHotKeys
[04:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If I have a shared printer on a windows machine on my network, how do I add it in Kubuntu? It wants a username and password and samba's all greek to me
[04:57] <png> what do i need to install to listen mp3 files?
[04:57] <apokryphos> png: amaroK
[04:58] <apokryphos> png: sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-engines
[05:11] <png> apokryphos: ive downloaded w32 codecs. where must i put them :)
[05:11] <apokryphos> png: to play mp3s you should only need amaroK
[05:11] <apokryphos> png: and w32codecs you should get from the repositories. It'll put everything in the appropriate place
[05:12] <png> apokryphos: now i wanna play some media player files with kaffein.
[05:13] <png> so it said to me download w32 codecs. i didnt find in repositiries. i ve download it from mplayer.hu
[05:13] <apokryphos> png: ok; then add the hoary-extras repository, and then sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:14] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <png> k
[05:14] <png> thans
[05:14] <apokryphos> add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <png> ~thanks
[05:15] <jpatrick> I've just come back from an E session :-/
[05:15] <Will__> come back?
[05:16] <Will__> irssi in screen, damnit
[05:16] <jpatrick> logged out
[05:16] <Will__> you make it sound like an ordeal
[05:16] <jpatrick> I think I'll stick to KDE
[05:23] <png> k3b says me "instal cdrdao to burn cds".  do i need it?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> png: yes
[05:24] <png> k3b says me "instal cdrdao to burn cds".  do i need it?
[05:24] <png> :D
[05:24] <png> thoreauputic: if yes. why  is kubuntu coming without it
[05:25] <fromoze> png: not reallty but it can be interesting
[05:25] <png> k im installing
[05:25] <thoreauputic> png: I have no idea why it isn't a dependency, but I recommend you install it anyway
[05:26] <png> thnx thoreauputic . i did.
[05:27] <png> last question and im going my sweet home:P
[05:27] <png> what do i need to plas dvds?
[05:28] <png> ~play
[05:28] <apokryphos> !dvd
[05:28] <ubotu> I guess dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[05:30] <apokryphos> with regard to cdrdrao, that's weird; it's been default in k3b since early 0.11 times
[05:30] <apokryphos> k3b should depend on it, ideally
[05:30] <png> pai aLl
[05:32] <foodcoman> Anyone familiar with the KDE "Set Date Time automatically"???
[05:32] <foodcoman> I keep getting UTC even if I change to LosAngeles
[05:33] <nikkia> foodcoman: because /etc/localtime doesn't exist/isn't right
[05:33] <foodcoman> Ah
[05:33] <foodcoman> I tried the sudo tzconfig.
[05:33] <foodcoman> Need to edit manually?
[05:33] <nikkia> foodcoman: sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT /etc/localtime
[05:33] <foodcoman> Gracias amigo.
[05:34] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell what the best news reader for kde is /
[05:34] <nikkia> unfortunately, tzconfig only sets up TZ= in the env
[05:34] <nikkia> which tends to get lost along the way eventually, and thus you revert back to UTC
[05:35] <nikkia> Phantom^^: depends on what kind of news you plan to read
[05:35] <Phantom^^> hehe
[05:35] <Phantom^^> umm probably the kind you want to download
[05:36] <nikkia> Phantom^^: i personally am rather partial to slrn, but its not GUI, so its not in the least bit useful for reading the porn groups
[05:36] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: KNode is a popular one; for RSS feeds -> aKregator
[05:36] <foodcoman> Seems strange you have to set in /etc/localtime and change the setting in KDE Adjust Date time timezone.
[05:36] <Phantom^^> what about RSSOwl ?
[05:36] <Phantom^^> i'm reading the unofficial ubuntu guide and it has two on it
[05:36] <Phantom^^> one is called pan
[05:37] <Phantom^^> and the other is RSSOwl
[05:37] <apokryphos> never heard of rssowl; heard of pan
[05:37] <nikkia> eww, pan
[05:37] <apokryphos> ubuntuguide is bad
[05:37] <apokryphos> and it doesn't consider kde stuff :)
[05:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[05:37] <apokryphos> (generally)
[05:37] <nikkia> Phantom^^: pan is a rather ugly, buggy, and crashy gnome newsreader :P
[05:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[05:37] <foodcoman> I guess the /etc/localtime changes for the system and KDE displays whatever its configured to show.
[05:37] <Phantom^^> so i guess
[05:37] <nikkia> foodcoman: yes
[05:37] <nikkia> foodcoman: once you've cp'ed the file, just set the kde clock back to 'system localtime'
[05:38] <Phantom^^> ok i guess  i'll try KNode
[05:38] <sproingie> akregator was really crashy for me when i tried it last
[05:38] <sproingie> is knode more stable?
[05:38] <nikkia> sproingie: last time i ran knode, it wasn't very stable
[05:38] <apokryphos> the aKregator I have from repos works quite fine
[05:38] <sproingie> bah
[05:38] <nikkia> but that was a while ago
[05:38] <foodcoman> Thank you nikkia:
[05:38] <sproingie> i'm having real stability problems with a lot of kde stuff lately
[05:39] <sproingie> i finally got fed up with konversation and ditched it
[05:39] <apokryphos> KNode/aKregator are kdepim, too; so they integrate with Kontact
[05:39] <nikkia> sproingie: its a bit sad really, you'd think a 25 year old technology such as usenet would just work by now
[05:39] <apokryphos> sproingie: what was wrong with konversation?
[05:40] <apokryphos> I wonder if I got lucky. Any stability issues with KDE apps I simply haven't experienced on Kubuntu
[05:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: it gets into this mode where the input bar loses the cursor, deletes don't track the cursor location but are one off or so, and when you backspace far enough back, it crashes
[05:40] <apokryphos> :S
[05:40] <apokryphos> what version?
[05:40] <sproingie> does it every 30 minutes or so, never quite figured out what triggers it
[05:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: beats me, the one that comes with 3.4.1
[05:41] <apokryphos> sproingie: konversation --version?
[05:41] <sproingie> Konversation: 0.18 #3016
[05:41] <Phantom^^> i'm gonna try krn
[05:41] <apokryphos> Hm, yeah, same here. Never had a Konversation crash, but did have to kill it once when typing /list :|
[05:42] <sproingie> well, /list on most irc networks is suicide
[05:42] <apokryphos> I know that now ;-). Thought it was the command to display nicks in channel
[05:42] <nikkia> foodcoman: oh, and btw, don't call me 'amigo' again :P
[05:42] <sproingie> i guess konversation isn't as multithreaded as it should be
[05:42] <sproingie> it should just chew up your bandwidth, but not lock up the client
[05:43] <sproingie> well i gotta mosey off to work
[05:43] <apokryphos> I like konversation because it's always just "worked" fine for me, and isn't cpu intensive etc. The extra lil' commands are cool/handy, too
[05:43] <apokryphos> ok, see ya
[05:43] <nikkia> work? oh **(& i KNEW there was something i was supposed to do today!
[05:44] <apokryphos> No work for me till Sunday, woo
[05:44] <foodcoman> nikkia: hahah, sorry first date rule!
[05:44] <nikkia> wow, that's a new one
[05:44] <nikkia> ping has crashed my terminals
[05:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: bulldog is *that* fast? ;-)
[05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i'm having IPv6 trouble
[05:45] <apokryphos> :(
[05:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: it didn't work anymore after rebooting (i missed a couple of modules when i built my kernel...)
[05:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm tempted to suspect its them tho, as i can access their servers via IPv6, and pinging the net at large makes my modem's LEDs flicker, but it doesn't seem to get routed outside of freenet6
[05:46] <Phantom^^> does anyone know of any "how to's" for linux security ?
[05:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: hmm
[05:47] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: install it? ;-)
[05:47] <nikkia> and indeed, traceroute6 reports that the packets get dumped at 2001:418:0:2000:18a
[05:47] <Phantom^^> lol
[05:48] <nikkia> hmmm, looks like verio's IPv6 backbone is failing
[05:49] <Phantom^^> does anyone know the key combo shortcut to open the konsole in kde ?
[05:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: been contemplating trying out slackware/gentoo once I have my amd64; ubuntu admittedly doesn't seem to have perfect support for them
[05:50] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: you can set one in kcontrol; I normally just alt+f2 -> konsole
[06:01] <Chousuke> apokryphos: What do you think is missing from Ubuntu on amd64 platforms? :/
[06:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: AMD64 just sounds like too much hassle if you do any desktop-ish stuff
[06:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, no wine, no w32codecs, etc
[06:02] <Chousuke> well, yeah, unless you run in 32bit mode.
[06:02] <nikkia> Chousuke: well then, you're not running a AMD64 linux :)
[06:03] <Chousuke> nikkia: True.
[06:04] <Chousuke> But the benefits of 64bitness are none if you don't have more than 1 Gb of RAM.
[06:04] <apokryphos> Chousuke: generally takes them longer to bring in kde packs etc
[06:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: wine doesn't bother me; w32codecs is.. resolvable
[06:05] <Chousuke> what's that?
[06:06] <apokryphos> Chousuke: kde-edu application for touch-typing
[06:06] <Chousuke> I'm not really KDE-savvy. I'm on this channel in case someone has a more general question. :P
[06:06] <Chousuke> hmm.
[06:06] <apokryphos> last time I tried it out it didn't have any "Default Lectures".. does now, with different levels etc
[06:06] <Chousuke> Perhaps I should try installing KDE on my powerbook :D
[06:07] <apokryphos> Chousuke: you have ubuntu?
[06:07] <apokryphos> You should indeed :)
[06:07] <Chousuke> I have OS X at the moment.
[06:07] <Chousuke> but it runs KDE :P
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: I figure gentoo might be good in that sense then, since not architecture biased; and compiling should, well, be fast on new setup :D
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: lot of people I've spoken to said they love it a lot just because it taught them so much about Linux. Might be good for me ;-)
[06:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: feh, LFS teachs you more ;P
[06:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't think I have a tenth of the knowledge to even attempt that, though :|
[06:09] <apokryphos> would be nice, sure ;-)
[06:09] <Chousuke> What would gentoo teach you?
[06:09] <nikkia> hmmm
[06:10] <Chousuke> you just emerge the packages.
[06:10] <nikkia> there seems to be a major IPv6 issue
[06:10] <nikkia> sprint's IPv6 backbone is failing too
[06:10] <Chousuke> and you learn to use compiler flags. :P
[06:10] <apokryphos> Chousuke: a lot, actually, since you have to build a lot of core stuff
[06:10] <Chousuke> apokryphos: And how does that help :/
[06:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: i found myself learning some stuff i just took for granted before, with LFS
[06:12] <Chousuke> Though if there's one thing it teaches you, that's patience.
[06:12] <_frank> Chousuke: Gentoo proves the idea that linux is only free if your time has no value
[06:12] <apokryphos> Chousuke: I don't think their claim of "compiling is always best" is true int he slightest, of course.
[06:13] <Chousuke> _frank: it doesn't prove that.
[06:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: indeed, and thats NOT AT ALL why i went with LFS
[06:13] <Chousuke> _frank: it makes that statement real.
[06:13] <Chousuke> other linux distros are a lot quicker to set up.
[06:13] <nikkia> the reason i went with LFS, was, there was no way i could get a kernel/userland setup the way i want with a managed distro
[06:14] <nikkia> slackware would have worked, as a base, but by the time i'd recompiled everything to work 'that way' i'd have been 9/10 of the way to LFS anyway
[06:14] <Chousuke> :)
[06:14] <Chousuke> so are you using a package manager?
[06:15] <Chousuke> or just make installing stuff? :P
[06:15] <nikkia> no package manager
[06:15] <Chousuke> LFS is HC. ;)
[06:16] <nikkia> i'm reluctant to say i'm even using LFS, since i veered from their instructions quite early on
[06:16] <Chousuke> oh, fook.
[06:16] <Phantom^^> nikkia i have 2 hard disks in this machine and one is not currently being used but i want to use it how do i get my linux installtion to see it and then format it into two partitions in say ex3?
[06:16] <Chousuke> There are no binary KDE packges for OS X
[06:16] <nikkia> i really just used it as a guide for bootstrapping the install, which i'd never done before
[06:16] <nikkia> Phantom^^: it should already see it
[06:17] <Phantom^^> nope
[06:17] <Phantom^^> it sees only one 80 Gb drive of two
[06:17] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: see the kudos guide in /topic
[06:17] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:17] <nikkia> OMG
[06:18] <nikkia> recent IE patches compromised
[06:18] <apokryphos> :|
[06:18] <Chousuke> huh? :o
[06:18] <Phantom^^> hahaha
[06:18] <nikkia> thankfully, it seems MS's certificate process has saved the day, as the patches won't install
[06:18] <Chousuke> MS should stop sucking.
[06:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: link?
[06:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: SANS front page
[06:20] <nikkia> i was trying to see if i could find ANY news on why IPv6 is failing across the US
[06:20] <Chousuke> You'd think windows would have become quite tough already
[06:20] <nikkia> but i can't :/
[06:20] <Chousuke> But no.
[06:20] <nikkia> wait, /me has an idea
[06:20] <Chousuke> They don't seem to run out of critical holes to patch.
[06:22] <Phantom^^> nikkia i guess i have to mount it somehow
[06:22] <nikkia> dang, the tunnel doesn't have a ttl set
[06:23] <nikkia> still dying on the 5th hop
[06:24] <nikkia> well, 5th hop on sprint, 8th  on verio
[06:24] <nikkia> something is seriously dead on the ipv6 backbones
[06:26] <_frank> what is ipv6 used for at the present time?
[06:27] <nikkia> _frank, mostly by people that care about not having the mess of NAT, and its fairly widely deployed in asia
[06:28] <_frank> you can avoid NAT? I know almost nothing about ipv6... Does my ISP have to offer a ipv6 service in order to use it? what about my router?
[06:29] <nikkia> frank, if you have an IPv6 connection to the net, the address for each network card is unique and routable
[06:29] <nikkia> if your ISP doesn't offer IPv6, then your only choice is at the moment to use a tunnel broker
[06:29] <nikkia> but even that is better than plain IPv4 for some things
[06:29] <nikkia> you tend to see a lot more asian peers appear in bittorrent for example :)
[06:30] <Haffe> Hi, I want to transfer a number of files from one kubuntu machine to antoher one. What would be the easiest way to do this?
[06:30] <nikkia> haffe, personal file sharing, probably
[06:30] <_frank> nikkia, so every address is always of block of addresses (there can be other adresses behind it)?
[06:31] <nikkia> _frank, well, i request a /48 block of addresses
[06:31] <nikkia> which means i get 65536 nodes to use on my network, each of them globally visible
[06:31] <nikkia> well, 65535 probably, perhaps even 65534 :)
[06:31] <_frank> nikkia: is that equivalent to having 65536 Ipv4 adresses to yourself?
[06:31] <nikkia> erm, wait, no, more than that
[06:32] <nikkia> 2^80 addresses  :)
[06:32] <Haffe> nikkia, Does that require installing additional servers?
[06:32] <nikkia> Haffe: not per se, no
[06:32] <nikkia> haffe, its an option in kcontrol, it uses webdav i think, i'm not sure
[06:32] <Haffe> Ok.
[06:34] <dragoran> hi
[06:34] <dragoran> i dont knew about konversation :)
[06:34] <nikkia> actually, i thought it was in kcontrol, but don't see it anywhere
[06:36] <Chousuke> The problem with IPv6 is that the addresses are difficult to remember :P
[06:42] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[06:45] <nikkia> Chousuke: who remembers raw addresses these days ?
[06:46] <Chousuke> Well, yeah.
[06:47] <nikkia> and since IPv6 can easily delegate reverse DNS as well as forward, that bit is easier too :P
[06:59] <Chousuke> "the Firewall also has DoS-support" :P
[07:10] <luminerd> How do I get into firefox?
[07:17] <_frank> do you have it installed?
[07:19] <_andrea> HOla
[08:07] <Eliteforce> hi
[08:07] <jpatrick> hi
[08:07] <Eliteforce> where can i get the latest kubuntu version from?
[08:07] <jpatrick> the website
[08:08] <Eliteforce> and why is there a shop? i thought its free
[08:08] <jpatrick> That's if you want to order a CD
[08:08] <jpatrick> or DVD
[08:08] <Eliteforce> but i thought ubuntu is for free
[08:09] <jpatrick> it is
[08:09] <Eliteforce> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:09] <Fra|way> Shipping costs. :P
[08:09] <jpatrick> Kubuntu doesn't have shipit
[08:09] <Eliteforce> "We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well"
[08:09] <Eliteforce> aha
[08:10] <jpatrick> someones got to pay
[08:10] <Eliteforce> and where can i get an install cd with the latest kde?
[08:10] <Eliteforce> 3.4.2
[08:10] <jpatrick> www.kubuntu.org
[08:10] <Eliteforce> where?
[08:11] <jpatrick> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[08:12] <Eliteforce> that doesnt have kde 3.4.2 i think
[08:12] <jpatrick> so download it later
[08:12] <Eliteforce> why is there no install cd with 3.4.2 ?
[08:12] <Eliteforce> just the livecd: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[08:12] <jpatrick> *shrugs*
[08:13] <fromoze> there's no install cd because next release is breezy :)
[08:13] <fromoze> actual release of kubuntu is hoary, with kde 3.4 . But with updates you can get kde 3.4.2
[08:14] <jpatrick> or 3.4.1
[08:14] <fromoze> jpatrick: ++
[08:15] <jpatrick> Doesn't the live CD have an install feature?
[08:16] <fromoze> not yet
[08:16] <jpatrick> o.O
[08:16] <fromoze> I dunno if breezy live will be installer to..
[08:16] <jpatrick> i read on the forums that it did
[08:16] <Eliteforce> so if i want to install the latest kde on a pc without internet connection?
[08:17] <bjv> ok, say a friend of mine were to get mad at his xorg install..
[08:17] <bjv> and maybe apt-get remove xserver-xorg -y; apt-get install xserver-xorg -y
[08:17] <bjv> ..
[08:17] <bjv> how borked would his kubuntu config be after it finishes?
[08:17] <luminerd> HowWhat directory should I put my KDE icon theme into?
[08:18] <fromoze> Eliteforce: download the packages of the repository an put them in a cd by hand :)
[08:18] <fromoze> for example
[08:18] <jpatrick> KDE icon theme?
[08:18] <bjv> probably somewhere under  ~/.kde/
[08:18] <jpatrick> you can do it from the Control Centre
[08:21] <Eliteforce> hmm
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, no...
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, I got one from KDE-Look
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, what directory shall I put the icons in?
[08:22] <jpatrick> go to the Control Centre -> then icons
[08:22] <luminerd> so that I can use the control center thing
[08:22] <luminerd> ...dude yea but where do I put the icons I downloaded?
[08:22] <jpatrick> leave them
[08:22] <luminerd> on my desktop? no thanks...I'll sooner make /icons
[08:22] <luminerd> lol
[08:23] <jpatrick> go to the Control Centre -> Appearence and Themes -> Icons -> Install New Icon Pack
[08:23] <luminerd> jpatrick, dude, yes, I know that
[08:23] <jpatrick> so...
[08:23] <luminerd> but I have to put them somewhere!
[08:23] <jpatrick> in your home folder
[08:23] <luminerd> I'm not keeping them on my desktop forever!
[08:23] <luminerd> they have to go somwhere
[08:24] <luminerd> let me put it this way
[08:24] <jpatrick> did you unzip them?
[08:24] <luminerd> where is the crystal SVG icon theme?
[08:24] <luminerd> yea I unzipped them
[08:24] <jpatrick> well you shouldn't
[08:25] <luminerd> jpatrick, oh...
[08:25] <luminerd> well still
[08:25] <jpatrick> You should click on 'Install New Theme' then select the zip folder
[08:25] <luminerd> where do I put it?
[08:25] <luminerd> oh
[08:25] <luminerd> then it extracts it on its own and puts it there?
[08:25] <jpatrick> yes
[08:26] <luminerd> oooh
[08:26] <luminerd> ok heh
[08:26] <luminerd> sorry
[08:26] <jpatrick> ahhh
[08:26] <luminerd> lol
[08:26] <jpatrick> what icon theme was it?
[08:26] <luminerd> in that case where does it install them to?
[08:26] <luminerd> I need to change the K-Menu button...
[08:26] <luminerd> called Black and White
[08:26] <luminerd> by carpelinx
[08:27] <jpatrick> I like Crystal Clear
[08:27] <jpatrick> and Nuvola
[08:28] <jpatrick> it installs it to: /home/<yourname>/.kde/share/icons
[08:29] <bjv> (14:18:16) bjv: probably somewhere under  ~/.kde/          -_-
[08:29] <luminerd> thanks jpatrick :D
[08:30] <luminerd> thanks bjv lol
[08:30] <jpatrick> :D
[08:30] <jpatrick> I just wish that Crystal Clear had a download_folder icon
[08:31] <luminerd> jpatrick, make it
[08:31] <EasterSunshine> jpatrick: make one?
[08:31] <luminerd> :D
[08:31] <jpatrick> :p
[08:32] <jpatrick> not much of an artist
[08:32] <EasterSunshine> you can like take two of the already made crystal icons, and put them together using gimp or something maybe
[08:32] <luminerd> hmm
[08:32] <luminerd> my cd won't eject
[08:32] <EasterSunshine> like a big fat green down arrow over the folder
[08:32] <luminerd> how do I force it to?
[08:33] <jpatrick> have you unmounted it?
[08:33] <EasterSunshine> limunderd: take a paper clip, unfold it, and push it into the little hole
[08:33] <luminerd> jpatrick, no, I right clicked>eject
[08:33] <EasterSunshine> oh, i thought you meant it was physially stuck or something
[08:34] <luminerd> heh
[08:34] <luminerd> jpatrick, I tried right click>unmount but it said only root could do that
[08:34] <jpatrick> what?
[08:34] <jpatrick> weird
[08:35] <EasterSunshine> then sudo unmount
[08:36] <jpatrick> sudo unmount /dev/cdrom
[08:36] <jpatrick> ?
[08:36] <luminerd> jpatrick, I need to figure out how not to have to do that
[08:37] <luminerd> it should do this automatically
[08:37] <EasterSunshine> if you can't mount/unmount cdrom without sudo, then you might consider adding an entry to your fstab
[08:38] <luminerd> EasterSunshine, one that would allow the button to work?
[08:38] <EasterSunshine> i think the button wont work if its mounted, so the button will work as long as its unmounted
[08:39] <EasterSunshine> afk
[08:39] <luminerd> How would I make my button work then?
[08:39] <luminerd> even when it's mounted?
[08:40] <jpatrick> I don't really think that's a good idea
[08:40] <luminerd> jpatrick, why?
[08:41] <bjv> ever tried ejecting a mounted floppy?
[08:41] <luminerd> umm..
[08:41] <luminerd> I don't use floppies.
[08:41] <bjv> a mounted device is added into the root filesystem
[08:42] <luminerd> ...
[08:42] <luminerd> and?
[08:42] <bjv> linux doesnt like it when entire branches fall off and disapear without warning.
[08:42] <bjv> those eject buttons are pretty much only connected to to drive, they dont send any signals to the system
[08:43] <bjv> the floppy eject is purely physical, pop. spring shoots it out.
[08:43] <luminerd> well that's lame
[08:43] <luminerd> how do big corporations work with this?
[08:43] <luminerd> I need these idiots to be able to use this system
[08:43] <luminerd> and they are used to pressing a button
[08:43] <luminerd> there better be a way.
[08:44] <bjv> im not familiar with any big corporations that let their employees pop CD's in and out.
[08:44] <luminerd> anyone with a computer uses CDs.
[08:44] <bjv> i am familiar with corporations that dont let you save File #1 to the physical drive.
[08:44] <luminerd> they need to move their files about and listen to music
[08:44] <bjv> corporation, remember?
[08:45] <bjv> no music, network for file moving.
[08:45] <luminerd> uh..
[08:45] <luminerd> what?
[08:45] <luminerd> ok maybe whoever you work for
[08:45] <luminerd> but that's not how we operate
[08:45] <luminerd> Now, I must find out how to get the drive to open.
[08:45] <luminerd> if there is no way then linux is inferior to windows.
[08:46] <bjv> im sure there is an automounting deamon that does just what you want.
[08:46] <bjv> automounters are designed to mount disks as soon as they are asked for, and disconnect them when they fall out of use.
[08:46] <hater2win> linux IS inferior to windows as it is
[08:46] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, is kpdf in KDE 3.4.2 vulnerable to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=293428#post293428 or just kpdf in kde 3.4.0 ?
[08:47] <luminerd> bjv, disconnect them when they fall out of use?
[08:47] <luminerd> what do you mean?
[08:47] <bjv> automounters are mostly designed for use with NFS shares
[08:48] <bjv> when you stop using the drive for several seconds, it unmounts it.
[08:56] <luminerd> bjv, umm, no such luck.
[09:03] <CarmenSandiego> Is the HP OfficeJet 7400 supported under Kubuntu?
[09:03] <slicslak> CarmenSandiego, take a look at linuxprinting.org
[09:03] <slicslak> anyone here use ie6 with codeweavers wine on linux?  i'm just wondering how close the page rendering is compared to the original ie6
[09:05] <CarmenSandiego> Slicslak, what about the ADF(Automatic Document Feeder)?
[09:05] <slicslak> CarmenSandiego, i don't know anyting about your specific printer, but linuxprinting.org has quite a bit of information, including user experiences etc.
[09:06] <CarmenSandiego> Okay, thank you! :)
[09:12] <cuqui> hola
[09:12] <cuqui> a todos
[09:12] <wincide> cuqui:  #kubuntu-es
[09:13] <wincide> xD
[09:13] <cuqui> jiji
[09:14] <wincide> cuqui: /join #kubuntu-es
[09:17] <frank_> how I can display home directory and trash icons on desktop?
[09:20] <CarmenSandiego> How come when I print a page some of the text becomes bigger, and some of the text is cut off?
[09:31] <jjesse> do you have the wrong driver installed?
[09:33] <luminerd> how do I install a new window decorations theme?
[09:33] <luminerd> it gave me a .deb oO
[09:33] <luminerd> or do I want to get the tar.bz2?
[09:34] <_StarScream> yellow
[09:35] <luminerd> _StarScream, uh..?
[09:35] <_StarScream> i was saying hello
[09:36] <_StarScream> . The other 100 times i've been in this channel and done the same it hasn't caused any confusion, but i apologise
[09:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> luminerd: I always get the .tar.bz2 file. If you get that I can tell you how to install it
[09:36] <luminerd> _StarScream, oh, lol sry
[09:36] <luminerd> _StarScream, I didn't notice you had just joined.  I'm easily confusable.
[09:37] <luminerd> Rogue_Jedi_X, ok cool what now?
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> now you extract it
[09:39] <luminerd> ok
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Done?
[09:39] <luminerd> yes
[09:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Very good. Now go to the folder where it was extracted
[09:40] <luminerd> k
[09:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now type ./configure --prefix="`kde-config --prefix`"
[09:41] <luminerd> oh
[09:41] <luminerd> in a terminal you meant lol
[09:41] <luminerd> I was in konqueror
[09:41] <luminerd> np
[09:41] <luminerd> ok
[09:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, should've pointed that out, sorry
[09:41] <luminerd> np at all
[09:41] <luminerd> lol
[09:42] <luminerd> I prefer it in here
[09:42] <luminerd> reminds me of my home (slackware)
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Never tried slack
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> But then again, I've only tried RedHat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and Kubuntu so far
[09:42] <luminerd> well I won't say anything about it here heh but if you wish to sometime you could msg me
[09:42] <luminerd> lol
[09:43] <luminerd> oh wow
[09:43] <luminerd> RedHat and Mandriva I'm not fond of
[09:43] <luminerd> anyway
[09:43] <luminerd> is that all?
[09:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is it done?
[09:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No errors?
[09:43] <luminerd> correct
[09:43] <luminerd> oh wait!
[09:43] <luminerd> duh
[09:43] <luminerd> I'm an idiot
[09:44] <luminerd> no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:44] <luminerd> I thought kubuntu had gcc
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It does, in synaptic
[09:44] <luminerd> any linux system without gcc is as useful as a rock hooked up to a monitor.
[09:44] <luminerd> synaptic?
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The package manager
[09:44] <luminerd> nothing like symantec I hope?
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Or kynaptic
[09:45] <luminerd> ok so what do I do?
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Good lord, no
[09:45] <luminerd> LOL
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> no symantec here
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Open synaptic or kynaptic and search for the gcc package
[09:45] <luminerd> is there a dif between the two?
[09:46] <luminerd> hmm I don't have gcc in kynaptic
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> One uses KDE and one uses gnome
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And one is better
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You don't?
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't have the repository for it
[09:47] <luminerd> oh ok
[09:48] <luminerd> the kde one is betteR?
[09:48] <luminerd> there's no gcc listed, sure it would be under gcc?
[09:48] <luminerd> I have universe...
[09:48] <luminerd> that's all I know
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme check
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No, the gnome one is actually better
[09:48] <luminerd> I see
[09:48] <luminerd> will it run in KDE?
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Of course
[09:49] <luminerd> command not found
[09:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You don't have it if you have kubuntu
[09:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You got kynaptic
[09:49] <luminerd> oh lol
[09:49] <luminerd> k
[09:50] <luminerd> anyway Rogue_Jedi_X can I just aptitude gcc?
[09:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Probably
[09:50] <seaLne> yeah
[09:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have tons of gcc packages over here
[09:50] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:51] <luminerd> ok got it
[09:51] <luminerd> prob
[09:51] <luminerd> when I did the ./configure thing
[09:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I keep forgeting that one. Thanks, apokryphos
[09:51] <luminerd> it ran into error: c++ preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check
[09:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, what's that?
[09:52] <luminerd> should I run that?
[09:52] <Lausi> Hallihallo
[09:52] <apokryphos> info build-essential
[09:52] <apokryphos> !info build-essential
[09:52] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[09:52] <apokryphos> Pretty much most things you'll need to compile
[09:52] <luminerd> lol
[09:53] <luminerd> essential, but optional.
[09:53] <luminerd> lol
[09:53] <chx> i have a horrible waiting time for DNS
[09:53] <luminerd> w00t
[09:53] <luminerd> it's runnin
[09:53] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's essential to building, not to running Ubuntu.
[09:53] <luminerd> ok Rogue_Jedi_X do I make, make install"?
[09:53] <chx> I have a NAT'd Win98 box and that is OK
[09:53] <luminerd> apokryphos, indeed, and building is essential to running a computer :P
[09:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right
[09:53] <chx> it's something in the guts of my Kubuntu box :(
[09:54] <luminerd> wait
[09:54] <luminerd> erro
[09:54] <luminerd> again
[09:54] <apokryphos> luminerd: nope, not at all, for many.
[09:54] <luminerd> can't find x includes
[09:54] <apokryphos> luminerd: what is it you're trying to install?
[09:54] <apokryphos> libx11-dev
[09:54] <luminerd> please check your installation and add the cofrect paths
[09:54] <luminerd> should I have done as root?
[09:54] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh, a window decoration called crystal
[09:55] <apokryphos> ok
[09:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: make sure you specify the kde prefix when running configure
[09:55] <luminerd> so uh
[09:55] <luminerd> whats up with the x includes
[09:55] <luminerd> apokryphos, I did
[09:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: you will need libx11-dev; you'll also need the kde includes -- kde-devel
[09:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Get the package apokryphos mentioned
[09:56] <luminerd> ./configure --prefix="`kde-config --prefix`"  correct?
[09:56] <luminerd> Rogue_Jedi_X, I got it
[09:56] <luminerd> the essentials?
[09:57] <luminerd> and I need libx11 and kde-devel too right?
[09:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> libx11-dev
[09:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The dev part is important
[09:57] <luminerd> oh heh
[09:57] <apokryphos> luminerd: the configure is correct, though you could just --prefix=/usr -- same thing.
[09:58] <luminerd> kde-devel no existey
[09:58] <apokryphos> enable the Universe repository
[09:58] <luminerd> apokryphos, it is
[09:58] <apokryphos> !info kde-devel
[09:58] <ubotu> kde-devel: (The K Desktop Environment (development files)), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[09:58] <luminerd> libx11-dev worked
[09:58] <apokryphos> It exists :)
[09:58] <luminerd> 40KB!???!  I don't know if I have that much on my hard drive!!!
[09:59] <luminerd> jk lol
[09:59] <luminerd> couldn't find kde-devel though, apokryphos
[09:59] <apokryphos> It's a metapackage -- it brings in other things.
[09:59] <apokryphos> luminerd: you don't have Universe enabled, then.
[09:59] <luminerd> apokryphos, hmm, well I explicitely remember enabling it but tell me how anyway
[10:00] <apokryphos> uncomment the line with "Universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:00] <luminerd> it already is, apokryphos
[10:00] <apokryphos> Though it's probably best if you have all the other extra repositories too; and the ones with kde 3.4.2
[10:01] <luminerd> oh wait
[10:01] <luminerd> all 4 of them?
[10:01] <apokryphos> my sources.list for example: http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[10:01] <luminerd> I thought there were only 2
[10:01] <luminerd> so 2 are uncommented, 2 aren't
[10:01] <apokryphos> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse  -- that, at least
[10:02] <jjesse> anyone else getting kicked off a lot?
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, it still can't find it
[10:02] <apokryphos> luminerd: are you updating apt before you're searching?
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, do I need this for something as simple as a window decor lol
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, oh, no, apt-get update?
[10:03] <apokryphos> Well, this is basic stuff -- after you'll be able to install a superfluity of things very easily
[10:03] <apokryphos> and yes, you have to apt-get update after every alteration of sources.list if you want it to apply
[10:03] <luminerd> ok well
[10:03] <luminerd> ok
[10:03] <luminerd> got it
[10:03] <luminerd> sweet
[10:04] <luminerd> oh wow
[10:04] <luminerd> 2%
[10:05] <luminerd> apokryphos, so after this I won't get the error?
[10:06] <apokryphos> luminerd: what error?
[10:07] <apokryphos> libx11-dev is the X includes, so if you install that, you won't get the X includes error upon compiling
[10:07] <luminerd> apokryphos, the X error I got..1 sec
[10:07] <luminerd> oh good
[10:07] <luminerd> apokryphos, any more major packages I need?  I'll be on a very slow net connection in a few minutes.
[10:08] <_StarScream> apokryphos: sorry to bug you, is "Network settings ignoring sudo" a known issue with kubuntu do you know?
[10:08] <apokryphos> There's plenty other decent apps to install, always. :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> _StarScream: not quite sure what you mean
[10:08] <luminerd> fux0rs
[10:08] <luminerd> ok problem
[10:08] <luminerd> sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
[10:09] <seaLne> _StarScream: the admin functions in kcontrol don't work in older versions of kde
[10:09] <_StarScream> seaLne: as in hoary?
[10:09] <apokryphos> _StarScream: if you're talking about admin kcontrol, then you shoudl either update or kdesu kcontrol
[10:09] <seaLne> yeah try the ones in the /topic
[10:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, any ideas?/'
[10:10] <luminerd> oops
[10:10] <_StarScream> seaLne: hmm you know i didn't even realise it was kde 3.4.0...i just assumed from the "new" Kmenu icon it was 3.4
[10:10] <_StarScream> 3.4.2 rather
[10:10] <apokryphos> luminerd: what is the error?
[10:10] <luminerd> sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
[10:11] <apokryphos> _StarScream: x.x.y is normally a bugfix on the x.x release
[10:11] <apokryphos> luminerd: yes, what is the error? :)
[10:11] <apokryphos> ...that it returned
[10:12] <Riddell> hussam: kpdf in 3.4.2 is not affected
[10:12] <_StarScream> apokryphos: in that case, wouldn't it make sense for 3.4.2 to be added to hoary?
[10:12] <apokryphos> _StarScream: added? Hoary has already been released
[10:12] <luminerd> apokryphos, ...that is the error
[10:13] <apokryphos> luminerd: can you pastebin the whole output?
[10:13] <luminerd> apokryphos, that's the last line
[10:13] <_StarScream> apokryphos: well "updated" i.e new packages added as an update
[10:13] <apokryphos> _StarScream: it wouldn't go into main unless it was a security issue, generally. It could rightly go into backports
[10:13] <luminerd> errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3_all.deb
[10:14] <apokryphos> luminerd: add the 3.4.2 repository and update your kde
[10:14] <luminerd> E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:14] <luminerd> apokryphos, how so?
[10:14] <luminerd> all the lines are uncommented now
[10:14] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's in /topic -- add it to sources.list, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:16] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh, which one...theres lots of urls none look like the other ones in sources.list
[10:16] <apokryphos> luminerd: maybe the part that says "KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php "
[10:16] <seaLne> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[10:16] <apokryphos> go to that URL for the info
[10:17] <luminerd> thanks
[10:19] <dgibb> anyone know when the kdebindings for ruby will be packaged?
[10:19] <seaLne> they are in breezy, i don't have a hoary box to hand
[10:20] <luminerd> apokryphos, what did you mean by update my kde?
[10:20] <luminerd> my kde-devel?
[10:20] <seaLne> dgibb: libkorundum0-ruby1.8 in breezy
[10:20] <apokryphos> luminerd: no, you add the sources then sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:20] <seaLne> check in hoary for it
[10:21] <dgibb> seaLne: sweet, I'll check it out
[10:21] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok
[10:21] <_StarScream> seaLne: the 3.4.2 packages above aren't available for PPC
[10:21] <_StarScream> :(
[10:22] <seaLne> awww :(
[10:22] <seaLne> wonder why
[10:22] <dgibb> how 'unstable' is breezy anyway?
[10:22] <seaLne> is that package not in hoary?
[10:22] <luminerd> screwy
[10:22] <luminerd> it won't let me update.
[10:22] <luminerd> that sucks
[10:23] <luminerd> I gtota go
[10:23] <luminerd> bbl
[10:23] <dgibb> seaLne: nope
[10:23] <dgibb> would it work if I used that package from breezy but kept everything else with hoary?
[10:24] <seaLne> Version: 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1
[10:24] <seaLne> Depends: libqt0-ruby1.8 (= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.2-9), libsmokekde1 (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1)
[10:24] <seaLne> check your versions of those in hoary
[10:25] <seaLne> Korundum is really nice btw i started playing with it this morning
[10:26] <apokryphos> dgibb: pretty unstable
[10:27] <seaLne> probably not any worse than sid
[10:27] <dgibb> hmm. libqt0-ruby1.8: state: not a real package.
[10:27] <seaLne> ah thats sort of part of it aswell
[10:28] <mek> hiya people...anybody getting an Saitek x45 joystick to work with the 2.6 kernel?????
[10:29] <dgibb> Seveas: do you think the easiest way to get going is just to upgrade to breezy?
[10:29] <seaLne> could cause you alot of problems
[10:29] <dgibb> s/Seveas/seaLne
[10:29] <dgibb> sealne: that's not what I wanted to hear... ;(
[10:29] <seaLne> apart from libkorundum0-ruby1.8 and libqt0-ruby1.8 are the others there?
[10:33] <dgibb> libc6: 2.3.2 libgcc1:1:4.0.0pre6 libruby1.8:1.8.1 libsmokekde:3.4.0 libstdc++6:4.0.0
[10:34] <dgibb> so, no
[10:34] <dgibb> or yes, but need upgrading
[10:34] <Phantom^^> whats better parted or fdisk ?
[10:34] <seaLne> i like fdisk but it depends what you are used to
[10:35] <Phantom^^> hmm right now i need to find the mount point of all my other drives are
[10:35] <Phantom^^> and mount this one
[10:36] <seaLne> do they not show up in media:/
[10:36] <Phantom^^> yeah it does
[10:36] <Phantom^^> i jsut tried
[10:37] <Phantom^^> i think i need to make an entry in fstab
[10:37] <Phantom^^> cos it says that one does not exist
[10:38] <Phantom^^> does it matter where i put a mount point ?
[10:38] <dgibb> sealne: so what would you recommend as the best way to start playing with ruby+kde?
[10:39] <seaLne> have you looked at the tutorials?
[10:39] <seaLne> bottom of http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html which is also worth reading
[10:40] <dgibb> sealne: sorry, which tutorials?
[10:40] <seaLne> bottom of http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html which is also worth reading
[10:42] <dgibb> sealne: so you're saying I should build from source
[10:43] <seaLne> no just suggesting you read the tutorials if you want to learn more about korundum
[10:43] <seaLne> i'm going to avoid recomending either upgrading to breezy or compiling from source in case you blaim me if it dosen't work :)
[10:44] <seaLne> it kind of depends what all you us the machine for
[10:44] <dgibb> sealne: I love ruby and love kde, so I have no doubt that I want korundrum. I'm just wondering whether building from source, upgrading my full system, or partially upgrading would be best
[10:45] <dgibb> you know, regular: music, movies, email, and programming
[10:45] <dgibb> sealne: I used to use debian sid, if that tells you anything
[10:45] <seaLne> if you don't mind the od problem you should probably find breezy ok and you get to help sort out bugs before everyone else starts using it
[10:45] <seaLne> dgibb: then probably fine
[10:46] <seaLne> just hard to tell what level people are at in here :)
[10:46] <dgibb> I'll give it a shot then. thanks for your time ;)
[10:47] <seaLne> i had to manually add hal to some groups during the upgrade
[10:47] <dgibb> add hal?
[10:47] <seaLne> the user hal
[10:47] <dgibb> ah ;)
[10:48] <dgibb> which groups?
[10:49] <dgibb> if you remember...
[10:49] <seaLne> cdrom and floppy but see if it complains first
[10:49] <dgibb> k
[10:49] <seaLne> i just replaced all "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and di an apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:50] <seaLne> fair amount to install depending on your connection speed
[10:51] <dgibb> is the dist-upgrade necessary? I was thinking of just trying to install korundum, and let it sort out the dependencies
[10:51] <seaLne> maybe that will work *shrug* :)
[10:53] <dgibb> wow: 67 packages upgraded, 90 newly installed, 388 to remove, and 553 not upgraded
[10:53] <dgibb> maybe i should dist-upgrade
[10:55] <dgibb> anyway, thanks for your help
[10:56] <seaLne> good luck
[11:06] <zakili> hi to all
[11:18] <Phantom^^> hey guys if i wanted to copy a directroy and all its sub folders and files from one directory to another, which i need root privaledges to be able to do, how do i do it ?
[11:18] <brk3> Phantom^^: dont see why youd need root unless the folder is owned by root
[11:20] <Phantom^^> yesh i intalled a new drive formatted it partitioned it etc ... and now i need root acces to be able to use it
[11:20] <nmorse> Then your /etc/fstab entry might be wrong.
[11:20] <Phantom^^> ahh ok
[11:20] <Phantom^^> ill get rid of all the options
[11:20] <nmorse> Add user to the list of options
[11:20] <Phantom^^> what like defualt,user ...
[11:20] <nmorse> Yeah.
[11:20] <EasterSunshine> user=you, group=your_group, umask = 022
[11:21] <nmorse> Though that may imply noexec
[11:22] <Phantom^^> ok well lets jsut say if i delete all the options
[11:22] <Phantom^^> and leave it black
[11:22] <Phantom^^> will i have access then ?
[11:22] <nmorse> No.
[11:22] <nmorse> You'll need the user option for sure.
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

[11:22] <Phantom^^> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[11:22] <nmorse> I think he pasted the wrong thing.
[11:22] <nmorse> Dadgum Klipper.
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />

[11:23] <Phantom^^> defaults,errors=remount-ro </pre></body>

[11:23] <Phantom^^> eek
[11:23] <nmorse> Use pastebin.
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is there a good WYSIWYG webpage designer for Linux? Besides Mozilla composer?
[11:23] <nmorse> Pastebin.ca is the site you'll need.
[11:23] <nmorse> Nvu?
[11:23] <nmorse> No wait, that's a standalone Mozilla Composer.
[11:23] <Phantom^^> am i still alive ?
[11:24] <nmorse> Quanta Plus has a visual mode.
[11:24] <nmorse> Yes, Phantom^^
[11:24] <Phantom^^> might not be for long im gonna try this again
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I actually have Q+. Lemme check
[11:24] <nmorse> Use pastebin.ca
[11:24] <Phantom^^> defaults,errors=remount-ro
[11:24] <Phantom^^> phew
[11:24] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:24] <nmorse> Add user to that list.
[11:24] <Phantom^^> thats whats under options
[11:24] <nmorse> Add user to options. That'll let you mount it as non-root.
[11:24] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoa o_O
[11:25] <Phantom^^> ok i guess ill umount in
[11:25] <Phantom^^> whats the command to unmount
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> This Quanta Plus is gonna take some getting used to. Look at all those buttons!
[11:25] <nmorse> umount.
[11:25] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:25] <nmorse> Rogue_Jedi_X: It's very powerful. I use it myself.
[11:26] <nmorse> Once you read the documentation or just play around with it, you'll figure out what you need though.
[11:26] <seth_k> Q+ owns
[11:26] <Phantom^^> hmm seems like its buisy guess ill have to reboot
[11:26] <Phantom^^> brb
[11:26] <seth_k> although I can't get it to open new documents in the same window, even passing the correct parameter. It opens a new instance for each document I click
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool
[11:27] <nmorse> Hmm, anyone know any good Neverwinter Nights mods for epic characters?
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now all I need is to learn how to make a decent drawing in Gimp and master Q+
[11:27] <nmorse> I hate the GIMP.
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Piece of cake x_x
[11:28] <nmorse> It does everything I need, but its interface is actrocious.
[11:28] <nmorse> Except CMYK.
[11:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just hate how it opens so many windows
[11:28] <nmorse> No one has good CMYK on Linux but the Scribus people.
[11:28] <nmorse> Krita should have CMYK next release hopefully, though.
[11:29] <nmorse> Rogue_Jedi_X: Try Krita. It's like sanitized photoshop, really easy to use.
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is it in synaptic?
[11:29] <nmorse> It's part of KOffice 1.4
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> or do I need to add an extra repository
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, nice
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been thinking of ditching Oo.o anyway
[11:30] <nmorse> I don't really like KWord that much.
[11:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just don't use that much office applications myself
[11:32] <seth_k> I'm an OO.o fan, it may be slow but it's not like you have to relaunch it that much
[11:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's going to be new in Oo.o2?
[11:37] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[11:38] <Phantom^^> this is what is there now "/dev/hdb1       /new            ext3    defaults,user  0       1" and i still can't get access as a user :(
[11:41] <nmorse> Hmm.
[11:41] <nmorse> Why is it 0    1 ?
[11:41] <nmorse> Isn't it normally 0 0?
[11:42] <Phantom^^> what do the numbers mean ? i copied the info from my first main partition that kubuntu setup
[11:42] <nmorse> Hmm.
[11:42] <nmorse> I don't really know what they man as 'man /etc/fstab' displays my fstab file.
[11:43] <nmorse> Another bit of useful documentation on the part of the GNU project.
[11:43] <Phantom^^> hehe
[11:43] <seth_k> 0 1 is right
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is the command line for running Krita, krita or is it something else?
[11:43] <seth_k> the 1 bit is auto-fsck
[11:43] <seth_k> man fstab
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Because I don't think I got it
[11:44] <nmorse> What version of KOffice do you have?
[11:44] <nmorse> The default with Kubuntu is 1.3.5, you have to look at the listing for 1.4.1 in the topic.
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 1.3.5
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[11:44] <Phantom^^> will something require root access if it is mounted from the root directory ?
[11:45] <nmorse> Phantom^^: I usually just tell it to automount the drive as something like /bak
[11:46] <nmorse> If the permissions on the files inside are fine it normally works for me.
[11:46] <nmorse> Anyway, time for me to go.
[11:51] <McScruff> lo, i get a NSIS error, "Error Writing temperary File. Make sure tour yemp folder is valid" when i try to run something in wine
[12:02] <George> Phantom^^: so you're harrassing them in here?


[04:31] <Paladine> heya folks
[04:31] <Paladine> I just installed ubuntu server on my dual athlon system
[04:31] <Paladine> couple of things
[04:32] <Paladine> firstly it never setup the second HD in the lvm
[04:32] <Paladine> secondly, it has built an smp kernel but top is only showing 1 cpu?
[04:32] <Paladine> I thought you got 2 CPU lines in top with smp?
[04:42] <fabbione> Paladine: if you want the second hd you need to use manual partitioned. The installer can't read your mind.
[04:42] <fabbione> man top
[04:42] <fabbione> there is a flag to see load per cpu
[04:42] <fabbione> otherwise it shows only an aggregate
[04:45] <Paladine> fabbione, I did manually partition
[04:45] <Paladine> I set both drives to LVM
[04:45] <Paladine> then went into configure LVM
[04:45] <Paladine> but it only added hda1 to the LVG
[04:46] <fabbione> i find that VERY hard to believe. anyway file a bug in malone partman-lvm
[04:46] <Paladine> I don't suppose it is possible to add a second drive to lvm once it is installed? meaning I would have to reinstall to get the second drive added to lvm?
[04:46] <fabbione> yes you can add it
[04:46] <fabbione> just read vgextend man page
[04:46] <Paladine> k thanks
[04:46] <fabbione> and learn how to resize lvm volumes
[05:07] <Paladine> ok I restarted the installation cos I messed up some other stuff the first time round too
[05:07] <Paladine> so I am in the partition manager
[05:07] <Paladine> it is seeing both drives with no partitions
[05:07] <Paladine> how do I configure them both to use lvm?
[05:08] <Paladine> or can you point me to an installation walkthrough for ubuntu server?


[05:48] <Marseille> Q: does alsa_pcm show up in qjacktl if libasound2 ... or is it suppose to be gone?
[05:49] <holstein> Marseille: i'll see outputs there labeled as such
[05:50] <Marseille> I don't have an alsa_pcm showing, but guidessay it will appear with alsa-plugins installed. I have libasound2 only... on 14.04
[05:50] <holstein> Marseille: the plugins should just show theselves
[05:50] <holstein> not a larger alsa bus type of thing
[05:50] <holstein> you should see physical connections to your audio device.. in and out
[05:51] <holstein> then, you'll see applications there.. plugins.. the ins and outs
[05:51] <holstein> you could, for example, plug a guitar into the audio device, you would see that in the audio devices inputs in jack, and open guitarix, or rakkarack, and see how to route the guitar into that, live, then, back out to your audio device
[05:52] <holstein> it wont say 'guitar', or 'alsa rack effects'.. the plugins should just show up routable
[05:52] <Marseille> For some reason, I can't connect my mixer to Jackd. In patchage it's separated (and color-coded in green) from Jackd (blue). I try to connect and it won't do it.
[05:53] <Marseille> I have an old Edirol UA-700.
[05:53] <holstein> Marseille: if jack is running, then its running.. you dont connect things to jackd. you use it  to connect things together
[05:53] <Marseille> I tried to connect it to ardour.
[05:54] <holstein> i would use the internal audio device til you are used to using jack
[05:54] <holstein> and dont start with something large like ardour, either
[05:54] <Marseille> That's not the issue.
[05:54] <Marseille> It's never done this before.
[05:54] <holstein> i would use the internal audio device, and route something simple, like yoshimi, see that you have audio
[05:54] <Marseille> I do.
[05:55] <holstein> i would use qjackctl to confirm the connections
[05:57] <Marseille> the mixer shows as an alsa device... but in older version of ubuntustudio it used portaudio. Now it just connects and I can record the mic with Audacity and monitor (in general). But patchage shows that it's stuck on port audio.
[05:57] <Marseille> But pulse doesn't seem to let go.
[05:58] <holstein> Marseille: you can still use portaudio if you want, but, its not by default
[05:58] <holstein> Marseille: pulse is made to still be runing
[05:58] <holstein> running*
[05:58] <holstein> Marseille: if you want to disable the pulse dbus, you can
[05:58] <Marseille> So then if I kill pulse and restart jack, then I can use the mixer with ardour?
[05:59] <holstein> Marseille: why kill pulse? its runing intentionally
[05:59] <holstein> Marseille: its made to be running.. if you dont want the dbus disable it
[05:59] <holstein> Marseille: you can disable it in the "misc" tab of "setup" in qjackctl
[05:59] <holstein> you'll see "jack dbus". you can untick that box, and restart jack
[05:59] <Marseille> Is it normal for a mixer to *not* show up in the audio tab of connections?
[06:00] <holstein> Marseille: please start more simply
[06:00] <holstein> Marseille: please open qjackctl, and start jack, and see that it is running
[06:00] <Marseille> It's running.
[06:00] <holstein> then, open something simple like yoshimi, and check qjackctl and see that the audio tab has the audio device you are using and yoshimi showing
[06:01] <holstein> make the connetions, for the audio from yoshimi to go to the audio device you are using
[06:01] <holstein> then, go to yoshimi, and in the menu, open the virtual keyboard, andsee that the audio is routed and playing through the device via JACK
[06:02] <holstein> if so, then, yes, any mixer you start that is "jack aware" will show in the menu there, and allow you to connect it in jack
[06:02] <holstein> "alsa plugins" may just be for alsa, and not jack, and may not show up here
[06:03] <Marseille> It's the same. The edirol shows up in the alsa tab.
[06:03] <holstein> Marseille: the *audio* tab is what i stated
[06:03] <Marseille> Still nothing.
[06:03] <holstein> thats just the midi connection
[06:03] <holstein> Marseille: the midi connection is *not* what im talking about
[06:03] <Marseille> yep. that's the problem.
[06:03] <Marseille> I want it to show in audio but it's not.
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: thats why i suggested to *please* unplug the edirol, and get jack running on the internal audio device, and get yoshimi playing audio
[06:04] <Marseille> ok
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: sure, that means, you are *not* configuring jack properly to use the edirol
[06:04] <Marseille> yep
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: the alsa label change, and you can need to define that for *each* reboot.. the labels can change
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: thats why i suggest, first, get jack running.. actually playing audio
[06:05] <Marseille> so before i turn on the mixer fire up jack, the application and then plug it in?
[06:05] <holstein> Marseille: no
[06:07] <holstein> Marseille: before you do anything, unplug all other audio devices.. open qjackctl, and get jack running on the internal audio device,a nd open yoshimi, andmake the audio connections in the connect tab in qjackctl, then go to the menu of yoshimi, and use the virtualkeyboard to create sound.. see that you get sound
[06:07] <holstein> then, move on to explaining what mixer you are trying to use where
[06:07] <Marseille> ok i'm at the point where i just opened yoshimi...
[06:08] <holstein> great!.. just keep going til you hear audio. through jack. otherwise, jack is not working
[06:09] <Marseille> In the audio tab I have a choice to connect yoshimi to pulseaudio jack source or system. which is the right one to choose?
[06:10] <holstein> Marseille: pulse is the pulse audio dbus that i explained how to disable
[06:10] <holstein> Marseille: thats for the pulse audio dbus. *not* your audio device
[06:11] <Marseille> ok so leave it alone.
[06:11] <Marseille> btw thank-you so much for helping me:D
[06:11] <holstein> Marseille: it literally doesnt hurt to hook things up and see what is what
[06:11] <holstein> the labels can be wrong, or just bad
[06:11] <holstein> its just alsa guessing at a name..
[06:11] <Marseille> I've read for 4 days, and a lot of it is muddled but I left dbus checked after I read about it at pulseaudio.
[06:12] <holstein> Marseille: if you want it, use it.. if you dont, don
[06:12] <holstein> dont*
[06:13] <holstein> its just for routing pulse audio sources.. such as, if you wanted skype to work with jack
[06:13] <holstein> if you dont need it, disable it
[06:13] <Marseille> I like it so I can still surf.
[06:13] <holstein> Marseille: i dont, so i disable it
[06:13] <Marseille> ok.
[06:13] <holstein> i dont want my audio production machine online at all
[06:13] <holstein> but, if you do, enjoy it..
[06:13] <holstein> if you feel its causing an issue, test with it off
[06:15] <Marseille> Everything was working great all week long until I plugged in the mixer
[06:15] <Marseille> I just upgraded to 14.04
[06:16] <holstein> Marseille: what mixer?
[06:16] <Marseille> I have an Edirol UA700
[06:16] <holstein> Marseille: something broke? then, you upgraded?
[06:16] <Marseille> No just hated 12.04
[06:16] <holstein> Marseille: 14.04 is "More of the same".. just newer
[06:16] <Marseille> I've ran ubuntustudio since Fiesty Fawn. But I never got pulseaudio down.
[06:16] <holstein> but please, just unplug the "Mixer" and get jack working
[06:17] <holstein> then, move to plugging the mixer in and configuring it to use jack
[06:17] <Marseille> The last few distros had a lot of sound distortion. It's gone now.
[06:17] <Marseille> So there has been a massive improvement with 14.04. But now I have to relearn the mixer settings ... I'm dusting it off.
[06:18] <holstein> Marseille: what mixer?
[06:18] <holstein> Marseille: when you say "i have to relearn the mixer settings". you mean, you have to learn to configure jack to use the edirol?
[06:18] <Marseille> all over again.
[06:18] <Marseille> that's why I'm here.
[06:18] <holstein> what i suggest is, disble the internal audio interface, then, jack will *only* see the usb device,a nd it will be default
[06:19] <holstein> otherwise, the labels, as i said, can change
[06:20] <Marseille> I unplugged the edirol earlier. It's still not plugged in.
[06:20] <holstein> sure, im talking about in the long run
[06:20] <holstein> if you only have the one audio device, then it will be the default
[06:20] <Marseille> I have a midi keyboard too.
[06:20] <Marseille> It lost the connection.
[06:20] <holstein> Marseille: sure, and *dont* add that to the mix here yet
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: no need to
[06:21] <Marseille> LOL ok.
[06:21] <Marseille> it takes a degree to master this:D
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: you have not reported getting audio working *ever* from jack yet
[06:21] <Marseille> not since I unplugged the edirol.
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: you didnt have it with the edirol
[06:21] <Marseille> I did.
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: so, thats *never*.. the edirol was not working with 14.04
[06:22] <Marseille> the sound was just not outputting to jackd.
[06:22] <holstein> Marseille: as i said, JACK has never worked on your system
[06:22] <holstein> Marseille: it snot a big deal, its just something to note, since you are tring to get jack working
[06:23] <Marseille> I had it down yesterday.
[06:23] <holstein> Marseille: and, as i said, the labels change
[06:23] <Marseille> some of them disappeared.
[06:23] <holstein> if it were 'all down' yesterday, then, the labels changed for alsa, that can break the config you were using
[06:23] <holstein> Marseille: no. there is no" them".. just the one device
[06:23] <Marseille> I think I have to go into the patchbay and reconnect.
[06:24] <holstein> Marseille: i really dont think so
[06:24] <Marseille> the default is kinda messed up now.
[06:24] <holstein> ,Marseille sure, so boot the live iso, and see that the defaults work
[06:24] <Marseille> the midi keyboard no longer shows in midi settings.
[06:24] <holstein> Marseille: please dont reference or plugin the midi keyboard til you have audio working
[06:24] <holstein> Marseille: there is no need to
[06:24] <Marseille> there's no audio.
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: you *dont* have jack working
[06:25] <Marseille> so now what?
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: correct!.. so, why are you fiddling with a midi keyboard?
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: if yo udont have audio, you wont get any midi audio
[06:25] <Marseille> I'm not. I'm trying to get yoshimi to give some sound.
[06:25] <Marseille> like you said.
[06:25] <holstein> audio is a prerequisite to midi
[06:25] <Marseille> sure
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: sure, and like i said, use the virutal keyboard from the menu.. not your midi keyboard
[06:26] <holstein> dont throw another variable in
[06:26] <Marseille> ok working.
[06:26] <Marseille> sound is there.
[06:26] <holstein> *great*!
[06:26] <holstein> so, now, what i would do, is.. reboot my machine, and disable my internal audio device, so i *only* have the edirol to choose
[06:26] <holstein> then, i would do the same, only this time, with the  edirol..
[06:27] <holstein> i would get yoshimi making audio through jack through the edirol
[06:27] <Marseille> so plug in the edirol?
[06:27] <holstein> *then*, move to testing the midi keyboard through yoshimi through jack through the edirol
[06:27] <Marseille> ok
[06:27] <holstein> Marseille: what i said was, disable the internal audio device in the bios
[06:27] <holstein> *then* use the edirol
[06:27] <holstein> Marseille: you do what you like, but, the labels jump
[06:28] <Marseille> i've never disabled the internal device before.
[06:28] <Marseille> how do i do that?
[06:28] <holstein> Marseille: i do is, as i said, in the bios
[06:28] <Marseille> oh lord.
[06:28] <holstein> i literally dont care if you do, its just makes it simpler
[06:28] <holstein> and i have a feeling, your issue is, as i said, the labels changing
[06:29] <holstein> you look in jack for the mixer, and its gone, becuase, the labels jumped, and you are looking at the internal audio device, that im suggesting you disable, instead of the edirol
[06:31] <holstein> i only mention it because its a common issue, and i see it happen all the time
[06:31] <Marseille> ok so if i do that and let's say i surf... then i have to keep the mixer on?
[06:31] <Marseille> assuming i don't reenable the sound in bios?
[06:32] <holstein> Marseille: if you are asking me, if you dont have an audio device, if you'll have audio.. no.. if you have no audio device, you will have no audio
[06:32] <holstein> so, if you want to use the internal audio device, keep it on
[06:32] <holstein> just know that, what is likely happening is, as i said, the labels change
[06:33] <holstein> you powered up the machine, and just started jack, and it was using the internal device rather than the edirol. you didnt see what you were expecting from the edirol
[06:33] <Marseille> the why did it show up under alsa?
[06:34] <Marseille> but not audio?
[06:34] <holstein> Marseille: it'll show up there when jack is not running, as i said
[06:34] <holstein> thats just midi connections
[06:34] <Marseille> ok
[06:34] <holstein> Marseille: alsa is running when jack isnt
[06:34] <Marseille> that's exactly what it was showing... midi.
[06:34] <holstein> yup
[06:35] <Marseille> ok so let me try what you suggest. You've spent so much time with me, and I'm very grateful;)
[06:35] <holstein> Marseille: sure... thats what we are here for
[06:35] <Marseille> It's always fun to speak with audio folks.
[06:36] <holstein> Marseille: im about to crash, though. use #opensourcemusicians if its dead in here
[06:36] <holstein> thats a nice community, regardless..
[06:36] <Marseille> fabulous! it's so hard to get a hold of someone in forum. I finally gave up and came here.
[06:36] <Marseille> Thank-you Holstein!
[06:37] <Marseille> I'm logging out now. Rest easy!
[08:34] <Guest32821> hi
[08:36] <Guest32821> I need help
[20:57] <aldo> I have being unabled to update ubuntu studio since mid december ¿anybody has the same problem?
[20:59] <aldo> the error I get is: "Imposible to obtain http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/Release"


[14:43] <tjaalton> xserver 1.19.2 and mesa 17.0.1 in ppa:canonical-x/x-staging, migration to zesty next week
[14:44] <mamarley> tjaalton: Does that include glvnd?  (And does it work with the NVIDIA driver?)
[14:45] <tjaalton> no
[14:45] <tjaalton> not going to happen in 17.04
[14:45] <mamarley> OK