[00:00] <Ertain> okay, ardcoille
[00:00] <Ertain> ardchoille: what should I be looking for?
[00:01] <ardchoille> Ertain: click on desktop then behavior
[00:02]  * Ertain does some clicking.
[00:02] <ardchoille> Ertain: Click "Show icons on desktop" and then click "Allow programs in the desktop window"
[00:02] <Mister_Hand> hi there
[00:02] <Mister_Hand> where can i get an e17 package for gutsy?
[00:02] <Mister_Hand> does anyone know?
[00:02] <ardchoille> Ertain: Then click apply and restart xpenguins and see if it's visible now
[00:02] <Mister_Hand> ive been looking, but have come up with nothing
[00:03] <TimS> Happy new year?
[00:03] <ardchoille> !e17 | Mister_Hand
[00:03] <ubotu> Mister_Hand: Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[00:03] <Mister_Hand> ardchoille, ubotu doesn't tell me enough, heh
[00:04] <ardchoille> Mister_Hand: Hmm.. that didn't have a url.. I thought it would.
[00:04] <Mister_Hand> ardchoille, me too
[00:04] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year , TimS :)
[00:04] <TimS> Whey!
[00:05] <TimS> Theres one other relativley normal Kubuntu user. You a britt too?
[00:05] <BluesKaj> <---Canuck
[00:05] <Mister_Hand> does anyone know?
[00:06] <BluesKaj> what is e17 ?
[00:06] <BluesKaj> enlightenment , yeah
[00:06] <BluesKaj> long in the past
[00:07] <oakxx> alright
[00:08] <DaveQB> happy new year everyone!
[00:08] <Ertain> It works,  Thank you ardchoille.
[00:09] <DaveQB> I have small little problem with my GRUB
[00:09] <DaveQB> for some reason, its taking me straight to a command line, a grub command line, I have to manually boot a kernel, or use the configfile command to tell it where the menu.lst file is, a PITA
[00:10] <DaveQB> I ran "root (hd0,0) \n setup (hd0)"  etc seemed to run ok, but still doesnt load up the config upon reboot :-(
[00:11] <BluesKaj> it's looking for the grub menu in the wrong dir maybe ?  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:12] <DaveQB> yeah, ok, i have a seperate boot partition, so that maybe efects that BluesKaj
[00:12] <DaveQB> so the root command, whne installing grub into the MBR is where I need to look ?
[00:12] <dsmith> happy new year everyone, now back to !OT hehe
[00:12] <DaveQB> whne=when
[00:12] <DaveQB> dsmith  happy new year to you too!!!
[00:12] <DaveQB> hopefully another great year for the Linux desktop :-)
[00:13] <BluesKaj> DaveQB, kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:14] <DaveQB> I did a "find /boot/grub/stage1" maybe that send me to the partition boot is mounted in and not the /boot partition
[00:14] <DaveQB> BluesKaj  yeah got it open
[00:14] <DaveQB> right click > Action >  edit as root ;-)
[00:15] <BluesKaj> right
[00:15] <DaveQB> BluesKaj  the config file seems sound enough though, running "configfile (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst" gets up my grub menu and I can easily select from there
[00:20] <BluesKaj> well, not using seperate / and /home partitions so I haven't encountered that prob , altho I tried it once and when I upgraded to the next release , everything went south :(
[00:21] <DaveQB> BluesKaj  oh, I have always used seperate / and /home, since the earlier Mandrake days, but now added a seperate /boot too, for security reasons
[00:21] <Schuenemann> why separate it?
[00:21] <DaveQB> BluesKaj I guess I need to look at the root and setup commands to install grub into the MBR, that must be the problem as the menu.lst has proven to be ok
[00:22] <DaveQB> Schuenemann you can make /boot just a ext2 and mount it ro and noexec etc, limits exploitables places and keeps kernal safe.
[00:23] <DaveQB> just something I read somewhere
[00:23] <Schuenemann> do you follow everything you read?
[00:24] <DaveQB> when its backup with good reasoning and often stated, yes.
[00:24] <Schuenemann> :-)
[00:24] <DaveQB> backup=backed up
[00:24] <DaveQB> oopsy
[00:37] <mauri> someone knows where is storaged the rule for "Storage Media Notifications"?
[00:54] <alesan> hi
[00:54] <alesan> any ide how I setup a VPN connecton to a MICROSFT server?
[00:55] <alesan> idea
[00:55] <biovore> see openvpn..
[00:55] <Thingus>  Holy netsplit, Batman!
[00:55] <biovore> !openvpn
[00:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openvpn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:55] <downix> alesan: OpenVPN is your friend.
[00:55] <biovore> works on everything
[00:55] <alesan> downix: afaik MS uses pptp
[00:56] <alesan> it is a standard ms vpn so that I can access my office.
[00:56] <downix> alesan: if it's ms, it's not standard in my experience
[00:57] <alesan> you very picky. I have to access a MS PPTP VPN, any idea how to do that in KDE?
[00:57] <alesan> it seems gnome's networkmanager can configure such connection
[00:57] <biovore> I don't think there is any gui systems that do that..
[00:57] <alesan> or I can uses the pptp tools to setup command line
[00:58] <biovore> alesan: is very complicated apparently.. I havn't bothered..
[00:58] <biovore> it not very secure apparently..
[00:59] <alesan> I am not interested in secutrity. I only have to conect to the network to print a brochure and then pick it up tomorrow.
[00:59] <downix> biovore: It's not secure at all.  I broke into my works pptp connection in 25 seconds flat.  Convinced the boss to switch to OpenVPN when I presented his internal email to him the following morning.
[00:59] <biovore> yeah..
[00:59] <biovore> microsoft concept..
[01:00] <biovore> :-P
[01:00] <biovore> pptp requires you rebuild the kernel I think because it needs ipsec..
[01:00] <biovore> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/
[01:01] <downix> it's not something for a casual setup
[01:01] <biovore> yeah..
[01:03] <mauri> someone knows where is storaged the rule for "Storage Media Notifications"?
[01:05] <downix> Hmm, I need EDA tools for Kubuntu
[01:08] <mauri> someone knows where is storaged the rule for "Storage Media Notifications"?
[01:17] <acemo> i got a nvidia geforce 8600GT XXX and it has a small sticker saying remove protective film before use.. what is this protective film i have to remove?
[01:18] <DarkTan_>  screwed up my harddrive repartioning and now need to re-partitions the whole drive
[01:18] <DarkTan_> i also need to format everything to do this
[01:18] <DarkTan_> is there any way to keep at the changes i made to get my wireless card to work?
[01:21] <jac0b> darktan_: like .conf files
[01:23] <DarkTan_> i don't know
[01:23] <jac0b> well what did you do to make your wifi card work
[01:23] <DarkTan_> i don't quite remember everything i did
[01:23] <DarkTan_> it took me two days
[01:23] <jac0b> woah
[01:23] <jac0b> i know what you mean
[01:24] <DarkTan_> broadcom on dapper, pain in the gonads
[01:24] <dsmith> heh
[01:24] <jac0b> your on dapper
[01:24] <DarkTan_> the best part was that after everything i did, it still didn't work untill i tried to linksys usb card
[01:24] <DarkTan_> not for long
[01:25] <DarkTan_> after i format, going to gutsy
[01:25] <Schuenemann> I have to change to gutsy too
[01:25]  * Schuenemann is still using feisty
[01:25] <jac0b> I would try to remember what you edited and save those files
[01:26] <jac0b> or maybe on gusty you won't have to do the same thing
[01:26] <DarkTan_> bleh, i guess i'll just run through the docs agian
[01:26] <DarkTan_> yeah, that's kinda what i was thinking, but i wanted to back up just in case
[01:27] <jac0b> yeah its always good to have a backup when it comes to internet connection
[01:28] <jac0b> thats why I stick with the old wired connection
[01:28] <Schuenemann> what is that command to check if files hav=e a specific string?
[01:28] <jac0b> usally no problems there
[01:28] <jac0b> which
[01:29] <DarkTan_> wired work just fine right out of the box
[01:30] <DarkTan_> ok, off to nuke it till it glows, all goes well i'll be back here tonight
[01:32] <mauri> someone knows where is storaged the rule for "Storage Media Notifications"?
[01:37] <jac0b> is kde4 going to added to the repo or is it going to come out with the next release
[01:38] <XxValetexX> sooo crowded
[01:38] <XxValetexX> ;P
[01:38] <XxValetexX> hello people ;* happy new year
[01:38] <stdin> jac0b: what? the final release of 4.0?
[01:39] <jac0b> i thought kde4 final was already out
[01:39] <stdin> nope
[01:39] <stdin> 11th Jan (iirc)
[01:39] <jac0b> ahh i see now
[01:43] <waltercool_eee> Hi there, i have a question, play win games with wine in ext3 partition can do the games more slowest?
[01:45] <downix> waltercool_eee: Depends on the game.  I find the one I play is faster.  Others will be slower.  Depends on how far off of the API spec they are
[01:46] <waltercool_eee> downix: oh, ic, strange...
[01:46] <mauri> someone knows where is storaged the rule for "Storage Media Notifications"?
[01:46] <waltercool_eee> downix: thanks
[01:46] <downix> waltercool_eee: The issue is that the published API docs don't exactly "work right" if you follow them literally.
[01:47] <downix> waltercool_eee: I run City of Heroes, which runs OpenGL rather than DirectX, and find it performs better for me.
[01:48] <downix> while if I try World of Warcraft, it runs slower
[01:48] <waltercool_eee> downix: oh, but that is opengl and DirectX, im saying partitions, like ntfs, ext3, fat... etc
[01:48] <waltercool_eee> downix: WoW is better in opengl?
[01:48] <downix> waltercool_eee: the file system shouldn't affect performance
[01:48] <downix> waltercool_eee: WoW stank under OpenGL, both on Linux and the Mac
[01:50] <XxValetexX> Is there an easier alternative to Squid? I'd like to have a proxy but I think Squid is overkill for a home user x_x
[01:50] <waltercool_eee> downix: ooh... but wow is using directX anyways... thinking in sound, input and other things
[01:53] <downix> DirectX is for weenies.  8)
[01:54]  * downix is reading the docs on XGI's GPU's atm
[01:54] <wizz33> i just installed kunbtu 7.10 but it cant update libqt3 in adapt
[01:54] <Impiety> Somehow all of the contents of / have shown up on my desktop
[01:54] <Impiety> and I can't remove them
[01:54] <waltercool_eee> downix: Dx for trolls and troll games xD
[01:55] <Impiety> I don't really know how to explain it
[01:55] <hydrogen__> WoW works a whole lot better w/ opengl on linux than with DX
[01:55] <hydrogen__> (I know i'm late)
[01:55] <downix> waltercool_eee: then again, I think Flash should die a horrible death.... 8)
[01:56] <downix> hydrogen__: I couldn't get it to engage OGL for some reason.  Then again, when I did get DX to work, it worked... until the moment it patched, then it went loopy again.  Gave up and went back to CoH then
[01:56] <Impiety> anybody have any idea what up talking about?
[01:56] <waltercool_eee> downix: But... the free flash is some... bad :(, OpenSource must create something :P
[01:57] <flaccid> go SVG
[01:57] <downix> waltercool_eee: I've been using SVG and Java for everything lately
[01:57] <downix> flaccid: Thank you!
[01:57] <waltercool_eee> Butm java is close too
[01:57] <flaccid> im a web standards guy, so i'll always put open standards before de facto prop. ones..
[01:59] <downix> flaccid: Agreed.  My only issue is, SVG support on browsers suck!  Heck, half of my users don't even support CSS!
[01:59] <waltercool_eee> why?? :S
[02:00] <downix> They're Amiga fanatics, the web browsers for the Amiga are so out of date so as to be laughable
[02:00] <Schuenemann> waltercool_eee, java isn't closed
[02:01] <waltercool_eee> Schuenemann: Are you sure? You cant do a Linux with Java pre-loaded
[02:01] <downix> waltercool_eee: Mine came with Java
[02:01] <Schuenemann> you mean not free?
[02:01] <flaccid> downix: yeah thats because of microsoft which is the barrier, no point in doing svg if MSIE doesn't support. its a great world isn't it
[02:01] <waltercool_eee> downix: JDK?
[02:01] <Schuenemann> sun made it free a few years ago... or is still doing it
[02:02] <downix> just the run-time, not the full kit
[02:02] <waltercool_eee> Schuenemann: Is still doing...
[02:02] <waltercool_eee> downix: The JRE is free
[02:02] <waltercool_eee> downix: JDK is the bad one xD
[02:02] <downix> flaccid: Indeed, and you can't install an "SVG plugin" either, which is dumb!
[02:03] <flaccid> downix: yeah and probably won't change unfortunately
[02:03] <downix> Yeah, grr!
[02:04] <downix> I was working on a cool SVG demo at work, then the boss couldn't show it at his friends house (IE-house) so we had to put it in flash instead
[02:04] <downix> the flash can be seen here:  http://www.10thpowermedia.com
[02:04] <Schuenemann> waltercool_eee, so, JRE is already free?
[02:04] <waltercool_eee> Schuenemann: Yeah, openoffice use it
[02:05] <Schuenemann> openoffice uses swing?
[02:05] <flaccid> ok lets go on topic now :)
[02:05] <waltercool_eee> Schuenemann: Uhhh... swing or awt maybe... not sure
[02:06] <Schuenemann> probably swing... so slow :)
[02:07] <waltercool_eee> ups... going out...
[02:17] <Smegzor> Is there a way to enable compiz-fusion in kde 3.5?  I've looked everywhere.
[02:17] <flaccid> Smegzor: kubuntu version?
[02:18] <Smegzor> Also should I install kde4 from the repos now?  I know its marked test.
[02:18] <Smegzor> I'm using ubuntu 64bit 7.10 with kde added
[02:18] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | Smegzor
[02:18] <ubotu> Smegzor: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:18] <Smegzor> thanks
[02:18] <flaccid> np
[02:19] <Smegzor> what about kde4?  should I try it or wait?
[02:19] <flaccid> !kde4 | Smegzor
[02:19] <ubotu> Smegzor: kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[02:19] <Smegzor> Its so tempting to try it early since its available now
[02:19] <cahuez> happy new year 2008 to all and have great celebrations from costa rica..!
[02:19] <flaccid> give it a shot, they can co-exist no problem. i have it here, but a couple of bugs i don't like but otherwise its ok generally
[02:20] <hydrogen_> i'd say don't use kde4 until kde4.1
[02:20] <hydrogen_> unless you are willing to take a huge feature loss
[02:20] <hydrogen_> for a few flashy eyecandies
[02:20] <Smegzor> hmm..  so if I grab it, i'll be effectively redownloading it when it officially comes out?
[02:20] <flaccid> you can't upgrade, hydrogen_?
[02:22] <Smegzor> hmm.. i need a time machine.  A nice thing about linux is its like Christmas many times a year with all these great new things or just great updates coming out.  The flip side is knowing the dates and having to wait.
[02:22] <Perseid> OK. Just reformatted and installed 7.10 and now it won't boot. It says it can't mount the selected partition.
[02:25] <Perseid> It's like it got all the hard drives numbered wrong. The auto-detected Windows option doesn't work either.
[02:25] <flaccid> Perseid: whats the exact error message and is this grub or ubuntu giving you the error
[02:26] <Perseid> Does GRUB keep a log somewhere where I can find the error?
[02:26] <flaccid> no it doesn't
[02:26] <flaccid> but grub will usually give you an error number
[02:27] <Perseid> 12, Cannot mount selected partition
[02:27] <flaccid> Perseid: how did you go on google?
[02:28] <Perseid> Yeah. I knew I'd know it if I saw it.
[02:28] <flaccid> what do you mean
[02:28] <Perseid> I'm in Windows now if that's what you mean.
[02:29] <flaccid> how did you google this error
[02:29] <flaccid> i mean did you..
[02:29] <flaccid> Perseid: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=7pW&q=grub+12+Cannot+mount+selected+partition+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[02:31] <flaccid> its usually an incorrect  root (hd?,?)
[02:32] <Perseid> Yeah. I'm just not sure how to find out which one it is. I have quite a few drives.
[02:32] <Perseid> Trial and error I suppose.
[02:33] <flaccid> Perseid: you can do edit from grub prompt and try every partition till it works
[02:33] <Perseid> OK, thanks.
[02:35] <flaccid> e for edit , b for boot i think
[02:35] <flaccid> and yeah ubuntu likes to change logical device names for some reason. ive had to change my grub after getting a grub 15 or 17 or no reason after no partition changes, so it can be annoying
[02:45] <limac> I just installed fluxbox so how can i run it disabling kde?
[02:46] <genii> limac: You should be able to choose it as the session you wish to login to from the login manager
[02:48] <limac> genii: all right thx lemme try
[02:52] <limac> genii: kde booted up1
[02:52] <limac> !
[02:52] <limac> again
[02:53] <limac> genii: but how can i change my windows manager?
[02:53] <flaccid> did you select fluxbox from the dropdown first?
[02:54] <genii> limac: As I said, from your login manager, usually if you had kde it will be kdm. Choose session to be whichever selection from those you have available
[02:54] <limac> hold on
[02:54] <genii> I have a party to go to, have fun!
[02:55] <faithful_one> #linux
[02:55] <Aresilek> I'm using a laptop where the more normal resolutions are not optimum, and thc current resolution is too low anyway, i don't see and higher or optiumum resolution in the system settings/monitor & display, is there any other options that i have
[02:55] <limac> flaccid: how do u do that?
[02:55] <flaccid> limac: just as genii said
[02:58] <ghost_> Hi all. I'm looking for a gameboy advance emulator, but so far i've had no luck with visualboyadvance.
[02:58] <limac> flaccid: from login manager(system settings) how can i change the session?
[02:59] <flaccid> limac: login manager is where you login first when you turn on your computer first. log out of kde then select fluxbox from the session dropdown in kdm
[02:59] <limac> ah!
[02:59] <limac> lemme try thx
[02:59] <flaccid> then log in. this means you can choose your DE/window manager before you login..
[02:59] <flaccid> ok
[03:10] <limac> it worked thx
[03:12] <Aresilek> how do i get the resolution 1280x800?
[03:17] <coyote> Howdy, I just loaded kubuntu on a P4 and am working on the verizon wireless connection.  Konqueor web browser doesn't seem to work but this chat tool does.
[03:17] <coyote> If someone out there can read my posts it would be great to know.  I really would like to get firefox installed real soon.
[03:19] <flaccid> coyote: install firefox now and see if you have web. this problem with konqueror has been reported a couple of times, it maybe the same one. see if you can use adept and install firefox - that uses http as well
[03:19] <coyote> I'm a real newbie when it comes to chats.  So, I'm just thrashing around trying to see if I do in fact have an internet connection....Hello anyone out there
[03:20] <flaccid> Aresilek: you cannot select this resolution in system settings | display. is that what you said before. if so pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and i will ammend for you
[03:20] <flaccid> coyote: we hear you. install firefox
[03:20] <coyote> Thanks for the reply.  Apparently, I'm ALIVE!!! So I'll fire up the dual boot XP disk and scarf up firefox.  Thanks a bunch.
[03:20] <perseid> OK. GRUB works now. :) New problem: When I go to change the resolution certain refresh rates are missing even though they are valid for my monitor and listed in xorg.conf
[03:21] <flaccid> ok fair enough coyote
[03:21] <coyote> Goodbye for a while and happy new year :-)
[03:21] <flaccid> cia0
[03:21] <fildo> bye
[03:21] <fildo> !kde4
[03:21] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[03:21] <flaccid> perseid: that might be a difficult one, it might be best to do it manually
[03:21] <fildo> hmm soon
[03:21] <perseid> Manually?
[03:21] <Aresilek> !pastebin
[03:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:22] <flaccid> fildo: i installed it, its pretty quick and easy and co-exists with kde3
[03:22] <flaccid> perseid: edit it in xorg.conf
[03:22] <fildo> flaccid: but it gets released in like 17days right ?
[03:22] <flaccid> can't rely on the admin frontends in kde/kubuntu for display
[03:22] <flaccid> fildo: yeah it does
[03:23] <flaccid> so like kde 4.1, but i assume you will just be able to upgrade via apt
[03:23] <perseid> But xorg.conf looks correct.
[03:23] <flaccid> perseid: if xorg looks correct, then that is what is running. you can check by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:25] <flaccid> perseid: also run the command xrandr -q and see what is says is being used
[03:25] <flaccid> it should have a * on the line that has the resolution then refresh rate
[03:26] <Xcell> .
[03:26] <perseid> The log lists all the refresh rates but xrandr does not. It shows the same wrong list tha KDE does.
[03:27] <Xcell> Happy New Year To All Linux Converts:
[03:27] <Xcell> Please remember to recycle your Microsoft products to your nearest local green box recycling center.This has been a public service announcement.
[03:27] <Xcell> Gnite.
[03:27] <flaccid> perseid: i would try commenting out any refresh/sync rates in xorg.conf and then see if xrandr gets the whole list. if that doesn't work, then im not sure, if you have them explicitly in xorg.conf then they should load, if they don't it will say whyin the log.
[03:27] <Aresilek> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50352/
[03:28] <flaccid> what was that for, Aresilek
[03:29] <flaccid> oh which resolution did you want?
[03:30] <flaccid> Aresilek: ok you need to follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-0e3051713171cb5d1bf49dc2dc7bea24eb9ed83e
[03:30] <flaccid> and that should fix the intel problem
[03:30] <Aresilek> oh ok
[03:30] <Aresilek> flaccid: ok, thanks :-)
[03:31] <flaccid> np
[03:31] <perseid> Now I can't change resolution at all now can I get into the Hardware tab. This happened before and I had to reboot.
[03:31] <perseid> *nor
[03:31] <flaccid> is it like greyed out or something or can't get into admin mode, perseid?
[03:32] <flaccid> perseid: run this command krandrtray
[03:32] <flaccid> and then see if you can dynamically change the resolution. the admin snap in problem is likely a kde/kubuntu bug
[03:32] <perseid> When I change resolutions it keeps the same resolution but ask if the 'new' one is OK. And if I click the admin button on the hardware tab it goes back to the Size tab and the Hardware tab is still all greyed out.
[03:32] <Skyblast> So, Kubuntu Hardy is going to have the option at install to use either KDE 4 or 3.5, I heard?
[03:33] <flaccid> perseid: yep a bug, you could check !bugs or perhaps ask in #kde, but this kind of problem is common
[03:33] <perseid> krandrtray didn't appar to do anything.
[03:33] <flaccid> perseid: check your task tray and right click the new icon
[03:33] <perseid> Oh, hey. I'm blind. LOL
[03:34] <flaccid> hehe my bad
[03:35] <perseid> That lets me change resolutions but it still has the wrong refresh rates.
[03:35] <flaccid> did you try what i said before yet?
[03:36] <flaccid> feel free to pastebin your xorg.conf perseid
[03:36] <flaccid> but please try the removal of rates in xorg.conf and restart X and check xrandr again. if that fails i would google your monitor for configs, info etc. and also ask in #xorg
[03:38] <perseid> Just remove all of them?
[03:38] <flaccid> comment out any refresh or sync rates in the monitor section
[03:38] <CrocoJet> hi for all
[03:39] <CrocoJet> I made this command in terminal "sudo apt-get -y install gsfonts gsfonts-x11 flashplugin-nonfree" but firefox do not show flash plugin active with url: about:plugins
[03:39] <CrocoJet> any idea to solve that ?
[03:39] <flaccid> !flash | CrocoJet
[03:39] <ubotu> CrocoJet: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:39] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[03:40] <CrocoJet> ouch !
[03:40] <CrocoJet> :(
[03:40] <flaccid> i guess its probably that
[03:40] <perseid> Ok. BRB, thanks.
[03:40] <CrocoJet> this is terrible .. no flash in forefox
[03:41] <flaccid> np
[03:41] <biovore> !flash
[03:41] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:41] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[03:41] <flaccid> CrocoJet: there is a fix above if you would like
[03:41] <flaccid> biovore: nntr
[03:41] <Skyblast> It's not too hard to get flash in by hand
[03:41] <Aresilek> flaccid: do i just need to do the first thing (installing the latest driver) or all of the things?
[03:42] <flaccid> yeah its a ridiculous situation but. both adobe and ubuntu are fault :(
[03:42] <Skyblast> then again I am used to it, with my Dapper box at work ;)
[03:42] <Aresilek> flaccid: and if the first fails move on to the second etc...
[03:42] <flaccid> Aresilek: you just follow what it says in that one subsection for that.. install that package then change driver to intel
[03:43] <Aresilek> flaccid: ok, done, now what, restart the laptop? or just restart x?
[03:43] <flaccid> Aresilek: i believe its just the first part of "Intel Graphics driver (i810) won't use high screen resolutions", should not have to do the 915..
[03:43] <Aresilek> flaccid: ok thx
[03:43] <flaccid> um i think you would just have to restart X
[03:44] <Aresilek> flaccid: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace then...
[03:44] <flaccid> Aresilek: no goto kmenu and logout gracefully. then select restart X from kdm dropdown
[03:45] <sspadda> hi all
[03:45] <Aresilek> flaccid: ok thx
[03:45] <sspadda> Wish you all a very happy new year
[03:45] <flaccid> np
[03:45] <flounder> same to you ...
[03:49] <Aresilek> flaccid: ok now the logon screen changed resolution, and i can see the higher resolution in system settings/monitor and display but when i click 'administrator mode' i only get the red rectangle nothing in it and no password prompt
[03:50] <flaccid> Aresilek: these bugs are so common and annoying. goto kdesu kcontrol from alt + f2 and see if you can get to admin from there, otherwise change xorg.conf manually or use krandrtray
[03:50] <Aresilek> flaccid: kdesu hasn't brought up the password prompt either
[03:51] <flaccid> do it from konsole, do you get any output
[03:51] <Aresilek> flaccid: what's krandrtray?
[03:51] <flaccid> its a tray icon to dynamically change resolution
[03:51] <flaccid> its a frontend to xrandr
[03:52] <porthos_> hola a todos
[03:52] <porthos_> como estan
[03:52] <Aresilek> flaccid: doing it console lauched kcontrol, but now i can't get into the monitor and display setion (but i can get into others)
[03:53] <flaccid> Aresilek: i would edit xorg.conf manually and be done with it
[03:53] <porthos_> hey... anybody talk spa..
[03:53] <Aresilek> flaccid: how do i edit xorg.conf manually?
[03:54] <Aresilek> flaccid: or i mean what do i change
[03:54] <flaccid> Aresilek: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:54] <crimsun> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:54] <flaccid> Aresilek: um excuse me, what was left to do again?
[03:54] <flaccid> im a bit spaced from new years eve tranceport
[03:54] <Aresilek> flaccid: change the resolution to 1280x800
[03:55] <Aresilek> speaking of which mine is in 4 mins....
[03:55] <flaccid> yeah you should be able to find that in there pretty easy
[03:55] <flaccid> Aresilek: you can run krandrtray and see if you can change it dynamically to test it first. or check in xrandr
[03:56] <flaccid> obviously after restart of X
[03:58] <Aresilek> flaccid: yay the systems settings started working now :-D
[03:59] <SuBiMa> Hallo An alle
[03:59] <flaccid> Aresilek|Away: hehe i love that
[04:02] <flounder> can somebody enlighten me as to what "NVIDIA kernel module's version" refers to, and I can use to check what version is being used?
[04:03] <flaccid> flounder: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[04:03]  * Aresilek loves the new res
[04:03] <flaccid> nvidia driver is basically a kernel mod BLOB
[04:03] <flaccid> sweet Aresilek
[04:04] <flaccid> flounder: if you upgrade kernel, the driver needs to be updated too
[04:05] <Aresilek> is there a way to map Windows-key - D to Show desktop?
[04:05] <flaccid> Aresilek: yeah goto kcontrol and goto keyboard shortcuts
[04:05] <flaccid> i do the same thing..
[04:05] <flounder> well, here is the background on why i ask: hen i try to restart after having had installed new nvidia binaries (manual w/ the sh process and after i ask the installer to auto config), the screen just comes up with no signal, and upon restore the version of my xconf.org using vesa, and checking kdm.log, i get an error message about an API mismatch
[04:06] <flounder> ultimate result is a "fatal server error: no screens found" .... referring to the ubuntu forums about gutsy and 169.04 brings up a bunch of stuffs that doesn't help me understand the underlying issue
[04:07] <bmack> why wont it let me enable my restriced driver
[04:08] <flaccid> flounder: thats usually a subsequent result. goto restricted manager and reinstall the driver if tis the restricted nvidia one you want to use. feel free to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log which will show why the X server failed to start
[04:08] <flaccid> bmack: no idea
[04:08] <flounder> can you elaaborate on using pastebin?
[04:08] <flaccid> !pastebin | flounder
[04:08] <ubotu> flounder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:09] <bmack> well i go to system settings > restricted drivers and get in admin mode and i wont let me enable
[04:09] <flaccid> bmack: ok this is such a common bug today. try doing this in konsole, sudo apt-get install restricted-manager-kde; kdesu restricted-manager-kde &
[04:10] <flaccid> bmack: then see if you get password prompt and can use that frontend standalone
[04:10] <Aresilek> flaccid: it works great, thanks :-D
[04:10] <flaccid> np Aresilek
[04:10]  * flaccid sips scotch
[04:10] <bmack> yeah i put in my pass
[04:10] <flounder> thnx .... flaccid: when I try to use restricted manager to install/uninstall driver, i get the same thing that bmack is probably getting: says "Your hardware does not need any restricted driveres"
[04:11] <flaccid> oh right, um what video card is it and feel free to pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and lspci | grep -i vga
[04:15] <flounder> flaccid: is it better to post xorg.conf, Xorg.0.log, etc. in one pastebin or separately?
[04:16] <flounder> (speaking ettiquette-wise)
[04:16] <flaccid> flounder: yeah but in this case its just to look at so i don't mind one paste..
[04:17] <flaccid> im also drinking scotch
[04:20] <flounder> flaccid: k, here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50353/
[04:20]  * flaccid looks
[04:21] <flounder> btw .... video card is 8800gt (one of the new ones i assume, b/c i got it the week before xmas, trying to install the 169.04 binaries on kubuntu 7.10 amd64
[04:22] <flaccid> ok
[04:23] <ubuzztu> hny!
[04:23] <flaccid> flounder: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
[04:23] <flaccid> flounder: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0611 (rev a2)
[04:24] <flaccid> we can reinstall the restricted driver manually. for some reason it doesn't like your card, it might be too new
[04:24] <flaccid> flounder: pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[04:24] <flaccid> oh you did that, one sec
[04:26] <flounder> well the one i first did was w/out the -i
[04:26] <flaccid> that just ignores case. ok this is what we do, i aint got an nvidia here, but i think remember, i assume we will use the new driver. give this command a try
[04:28] <flounder> the only reason i am trying to avoid 169.07 is b/c it apparently cranks the fan to 100%, but do you think that I might have some better luck with it?  i wasn't really comfortable enough w/ linux to mess w/ the nvclock stuffs to manually control fan speed, etc.
[04:28] <flaccid> flounder: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common
[04:28] <flounder> (169.07) is the one that came out 12-20-07, vs 169.04 which came out in november
[04:28] <flaccid> flounder: im not familiar with that info sorry
[04:29] <flaccid> do the above and reboot i believe
[04:29] <flounder> k ....
[04:29] <flounder> i will reboot and see how it handles it
[04:29] <flounder> brb ....
[04:29] <flaccid> ok
[04:30] <flaccid> just remember its new card being identified as generic. there is problem something on google or launchpad on this..
[04:30] <flaccid> problem = probably
[04:30] <flounder> btw, eternally grateful for your help
[04:30] <flaccid> np sole
[04:30] <flaccid> i mean flounder
[04:31] <flounder> so you mean new card being ident'd as generic by the auto-config'd xconf.org sasying "generic video card?"
[04:31] <flounder> does it ususally recognize it when things go smoother?
[04:34] <Cannoli> how do i give my self permanent sudo during a session in terminal?
[04:34] <Cannoli> i remember it being sudo -s something
[04:34] <kyled185> sudo su
[04:34] <Cannoli> oh ok
[04:34] <Cannoli> thank you
[04:34] <flaccid> sudo -i is cool
[04:37] <fritz> happy new year folks
[04:37] <asoiwaejfa> flaccid: btw, i think on a different note, do you know why when i do /etc/init.d/kdm stop instead of just quitting x, all the signals to my monitor gets killed?
[04:37] <Cannoli> to u too fritz
[04:37] <Cannoli> hope its a good one :)
[04:38] <asoiwaejfa> <---- is flound from before
[04:38] <asoiwaejfa> *flounder
[04:38] <flaccid> asoiwaejfa: yes because you are killing X and would need to go to a tty if the splash comes up...
[04:38] <flaccid> asoiwaejfa: you should only run that command from a tty when logged out from kde
[04:38] <asoiwaejfa> well i do ctrl+alt+f1 and then do the kdm stop
[04:38] <fritz> I have a fresh install of 7.10 and appearently need a flash update
[04:38] <asoiwaejfa> should i log out of kde first and then do that command?
[04:39] <fritz> how do I do that?
[04:39] <flaccid> can press ctrl+alt+f1 and get back to the tty after its killed?
[04:39] <flaccid> fritz: adobe flash plugin?
[04:39] <fritz> yes
[04:39] <flaccid> !flash | fritz
[04:39] <ubotu> fritz: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:39] <asoiwaejfa> no, when i ctrl+alt+f1 and login at the console and do kdm stop, it kills tty1 too
[04:39] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[04:39] <syntaxerror55> fritz, from my understanding keep the old one because the new one doesn't work
[04:39] <syntaxerror55> !gnash
[04:39] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[04:39] <flaccid> asoiwaejfa: doe it kill all ttys ?
[04:39] <asoiwaejfa> flaccid: yes
[04:40] <fritz> cool thats what I will do then. Thank you
[04:40] <Cannoli> lmao i love how your nick is flaccid
[04:40] <flaccid> asoiwaejfa: thats no good. i would try it after logging out of kde so only kdm is running, or alternatively send the kdm process as -9 signal
[04:40] <Cannoli> thats amazing
[04:40] <flaccid> yeah im dj flaccid heh
[04:40] <fritz> so, just follopw the feisty fawn steps?
[04:40] <DarkTan_> ! ubgrade
[04:40] <Cannoli> thats hilarious XD
[04:40] <DarkTan_> ! upgrade
[04:41] <Cannoli> no space
[04:41] <Cannoli> !upgrade
[04:41] <asoiwaejfa> i have been doing ps aux | grep kdm and then killing all pids that come up .... that works too doesn't it?
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:41] <flaccid> asoiwaejfa: yeah but what i would do if it still doesn't work is kill -9 pid; kill -9 pid . there are probably two processes for kdm..
[04:41] <DarkTan_> thx, that was what i was looking for
[04:41] <flaccid> under root or sudo asoiwaejfa
[04:43] <asoiwaejfa> would i be subbing something for "pid?" flaccid?
[04:44] <flaccid> yeah the process id eg. 7323
[04:44] <flaccid> what comes up in ps aux
[04:45] <fritz> how do I get the multiverse package
[04:45] <flaccid> !repos | fritz
[04:45] <ubotu> fritz: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:45] <asoiwaejfa> flaccid what does the -9 option do that leaving it out doesn't?
[04:45] <flaccid> fritz: manage repos in adept
[04:46] <DarkTan_> arrg.....I'm trying to run the upgrade found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[04:46] <fritz> I'm in adept now and I have typed in "Multiverse"
[04:46] <DarkTan_> it tells me that the "update-manager -c" command does not exist
[04:46] <fritz> to enable it so I can get the update to flash
[04:47] <fritz> am I understanding the steps correctly?
[04:47] <flaccid> asoiwaejfa: usually it will send a sighup iirc but -9 is like the kill signal that 'hard' kills the process and children
[04:47] <asoiwaejfa> ah ok ....
[04:47] <flaccid> fritz: you goto the menu at top and select manage repos and then checkbox multiverse
[04:49] <fritz> its already checked
[04:49] <DarkTan_> bleh, worry about it tommorow
[04:49] <DarkTan_> have a haooy new year people
[04:49] <DarkTan_> happy*
[04:50] <flaccid> fritz: then you just need to fetch updates and then you can install packages from that repos
[04:50] <fritz> great ok
[04:50] <fritz> cool
[04:53] <foenig> hi@all
[04:53] <foenig> happy new year
[04:54] <xb0t> hello i installed java on ubuntu but the websites under firefox dont show java.can somebody tell me why?
[05:05] <JP> Hello
[05:07] <flaccid> goodbye
[05:07] <Minataku> [00:00:00] Minataku Tue Jan  1 00:00:00 EST 2008
[05:07] <Minataku> Happy New Year!
[05:07] <flaccid> dang hnye
[05:07] <Cannoli> yay
[05:07] <flaccid> i mean ny
[05:07] <Cannoli> happy new year y'all
[05:07] <Cannoli> :)
[05:07] <flaccid> its 4pm 1st jan here :p
[05:08] <Cannoli> lmao
[05:08] <Cannoli> where you at flaccid?
[05:09] <flaccid> sydney, australia
[05:09] <Cannoli> oh i see
[05:10] <Minataku> Heh
[05:15] <fritz> !flash
[05:15] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:15] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[05:17] <Xcell> .
[05:18] <Xcell> Happy New Year Linux Converts: Please remember to recycle your Microsoft products to your nearest local green box recycling center.This has been a public service announcement.
[05:18] <cammoblammo> Can someone tell me if the Kubuntu LiveCD has Amarok?
[05:19] <Xcell> no i cant..it may load though
[05:19] <Xcell> try it
[05:20] <cammoblammo> I don't have the option of installing anything to the hard drive (work machine) but I do need to be able to control my iPod whil I'm on the road soon. So adding packages isn't an option.
[05:20] <Xcell> amarok should be the one
[05:20] <cammoblammo> That's right! I just need a LiveCD that has it.
[05:21] <Xcell> mm. never tried to do that 1..good luck.
[05:22] <Xcell> bbl
[05:31] <bmack> im haven troubles installed my ati accelerated driver(fglrx) in restricted drivers i keep gettin a error about xorg.conf and this http://pastebin.ca/840672 at startup
[05:40] <asoiwaejfa> flaccid: still there?
[05:43] <flaccid> yep
[05:43] <flaccid> brb
[06:10] <mrdigital> how fast would a quadcore intel processor and 8gb of pc6400 DD2 run
[06:10] <NickPresta> mrdigital, run what?
[06:11] <flaccid> well i would assume
[06:11] <NickPresta> that seems like incredible overkill for basic applications
[06:11] <flaccid> not if money is no object lol
[06:11] <NickPresta> I would rather have 4GB of high quality RAM than 8GB of 6400.
[06:12] <flaccid> true
[06:12] <Tm_T> NickPresta: I would rather not sell my family
[06:12] <flaccid> hehe
[06:13] <NickPresta> Tm_T, well, that too. :)
[06:13] <NickPresta> if money was no object, perhaps some corsair XMS3 DHX 4GB PC3 12800. That should be ~$900
[06:13] <flaccid> hehe
[06:14] <flaccid> buy a mainframe and use it as a kubuntu desktop
[06:17] <yns88> so I just installed kubuntu and I'm having a whole bunch of issues
[06:17] <flaccid> dang
[06:17] <yns88> gcc's giving me errors whenever I try to do ./configure
[06:18] <flaccid> did you google the error and have you installed the build-essential package, and what are you compiling?
[06:20] <yns88> it happened when I tried to compile bitchx and pidgin
[06:20] <yns88> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[06:21] <flaccid> you do not need to compile them, they are available from the repos
[06:21] <flaccid> yns88: google is always best to search for errors. eg. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=X8u&q=ubuntu+configure%3A+error%3A+C+compiler+cannot+create+executables&btnG=Search
[06:23] <yns88> well, that's strange
[06:23] <flaccid> yns88: can you at least verify what dpkg -l | grep build-essential returns
[06:24] <yns88> when I typed that in the terminal it returned nothing
[06:24] <flaccid> yns88: as first advised, please install the package build-essential
[06:25] <flaccid> !build | yns88
[06:25] <ubotu> yns88: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[06:25] <mrdigital> NickPresta: pretty much Windows / Linux etc
[06:25] <yns88> thanks
[06:26] <flaccid> np
[06:31] <ardchoille> !nickspam > Col_Panic
[06:31] <flaccid> hows helping going ardchoille?
[06:32] <ardchoille> flaccid: It's good, I really like this channel :)
[06:32] <flaccid> whys that ardchoille
[06:33] <ardchoille> Maybe it has to do with the fact hat it's related to Kubuntu, I'm not sure.
[06:33] <flaccid> rightio
[06:34] <yns88> hm..when you said they should be available in the repositories, did you mean that I should be able to see them in Adept Manager?
[06:34] <flaccid> yns88: yeah should be searchable once the required repos is enabled if its optional
[06:34] <flaccid> !info BitchX | yns88
[06:34] <ubotu> yns88: bitchx: Advanced Internet Relay Chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1-4ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 1515 kB, installed size 6524 kB
[06:34] <sigma_123> i think u hav to apt-get it
[06:34] <flaccid> !info pidgin | yns88
[06:34] <ubotu> yns88: pidgin: graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4.1 (gutsy), package size 589 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[06:34] <flaccid> sigma_123: adept is a frontend to adept
[06:35] <flaccid> yns88: so just make sure you enable universe then you can install both of them
[06:35] <flaccid> sigma_123: i mean adept frontend to apt
[06:35] <sigma_123> u mean a frontend to apt-get?
[06:35] <yns88> so how do I enable universe? (sorry for not knowing much)
[06:35] <flaccid> sigma_123: i think it uses more than just apt-get
[06:36] <sigma_123> ah so thats what its for! :)
[06:36] <flaccid> yns88: goto the menu at top and enable repos and select the checkbox for universe, then fetch updates
[06:36] <flaccid> sigma_123: yeah i mean if you are doing nothing fancy, graphical is still appropriate for any user
[06:37] <sigma_123> i dload manually so i dont use adept. just use it to uninstall packages sometimes
[06:38] <flaccid> sigma_123: kind of defeats the purpose of apt entirely
[06:38] <ardchoille> sigma_123: There's also aptitude and apt-get, both offer a command line interface
[06:39] <sigma_123> flaccid: il be getting a dvd snapshot of the repo's. can i add the dvds to adept so that it will prompt for them when i need to install something?
[06:39] <sigma_123> lol yeah kpackage works 4my purposes
[06:39] <flaccid> yes i believe so sigma_123
[06:40] <flaccid> you can add it manual to sources.list as well or i think use apt-cdrom iirc
[06:40] <Mitt08> GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "And further, if I were fortunate enough to be elected your President, I'd call for a National Summit of Nations to create a new partnership – a Partnership for [Progress] and Prosperity."
[06:40] <Mitt08> "This Partnership would assemble the resources of all the nations of the world to work to assure that Islamic states that are threatened with violent Jihad have public schools that are not Wahhabi madrasas; that they have micro-credit and banking, the rule of law, human rights, basic health care, and competitive economic practices." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At Yeshiva University, 4/26/07)
[06:41] <yns88> oh, gtfo
[06:41] <sigma_123> !politics
[06:41] <ubotu> Please take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[06:41] <flaccid> hehe
[06:42] <flaccid> Mitt08: i would disagree with you actually
[06:42] <n6hgg> looks like a political bot
[06:44] <yns88> they have political spambots now?
[06:44] <sigma_123> what wil they get next!
[06:45] <n6hgg> it sure looks like it
[06:45] <flaccid> would just help if an op was around to kick ban
[06:45] <n6hgg> it's the latest in high tech campaigns...hehehe
[06:45] <flaccid> wb Mitt08
[06:46] <Mitt08> GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "And further, if I were fortunate enough to be elected your President, I'd call for a National Summit of Nations to create a new partnership – a Partnership for [Progress] and Prosperity."
[06:46] <Mitt08> "This Partnership would assemble the resources of all the nations of the world to work to assure that Islamic states that are threatened with violent Jihad have public schools that are not Wahhabi madrasas; that they have micro-credit and banking, the rule of law, human rights, basic health care, and competitive economic practices." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At Yeshiva University, 4/26/07)
[06:46] <n6hgg> oh no, he's back
[06:46] <flaccid> sweet
[06:47] <n6hgg> yay ardchoille
[06:47] <flaccid> im off for a bit cia0
[06:48] <Guest345435> Can anyone here give me a hand with a 2 router setup?
[06:49] <flaccid> whats the problem Guest345435
[06:49] <Guest345435> basically, i have a 1 port router/modem which im using to connect to the internet, i have no problmes with it
[06:50] <Guest345435> i also have a 4 port wireless dlink router, but when i use it to connect to the internet, it disconnects every 10 seconds or so, so i cant get much done
[06:50] <Axeman> :>
[06:50] <Guest345435> was wondering if its possible to connect the 4 port router to the 1 port one, thus allowing me internet access and a network?
[06:50] <ardchoille> Axeman: Please don't do that
[06:50] <flaccid> yeah thats common. bridge the modem onto the wan port of the dlink router. that would be the best way
[06:50] <Guest345435> yikes, how do i do that?
[06:51] <Axeman> ardchoille: new years
[06:51] <Axeman> Happy day.
[06:51] <flaccid> Guest345435: make sure your modem/router can be switched into bridge mode if it needs to be then plug it in the goto the pppoe auth or whatever on the router and put in the username and pass etc.
[06:51] <flaccid> in the wan port i mean
[06:52] <Guest345435> hmm...bit diffuclt cause the WAN port is the little telephone socket type
[06:52] <corporeal> o.o Axeman
[06:52] <corporeal> enjoying the pingage?
[06:52] <Axeman> corporeal: you bet your ass
[06:52] <ardchoille> !language | Axeman Please be respectful
[06:52] <ubotu> Axeman Please be respectful: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:53] <yns88> >_>
[06:53] <Daemon--> http://pastebin.ca/840721 << i need to add a variable in this script which basically says "If day > 28, set day = 1", anyone any idea what syntax I would use?
[06:53] <Axeman> ardchoille: are you that lazy?
[06:53] <flaccid> Guest345435: the dlink router does not have an rj45 ethernet wan port?
[06:54] <Axeman> :>
[06:56] <mahasamoot> hello?
[06:56] <sephiroth_> sorry got disconnected there
[06:58] <sephiroth_> Axeman, any ideas?
[06:58] <Xcell> Happy New Year Fellow Ubuntu Converts: Please remember to recycle your Microsoft products to your nearest local green box recycling center.This has been a public service announcement.
[06:58] <mahasamoot> I'm looking for help with the panel.  I want to have two panels.  I can add another panel, but I don't get a sperate config dialog... which defeats the perpose of having two panels
[06:58] <Xcell> Gnite.
[06:59] <mahasamoot> I want to have one that auto-hides, until I interact with it.  And one that is aways visable
[06:59] <mahasamoot> any ideas?
[07:09] <sigma_123> has anyone here got a white asus eeepc?
[07:14] <faild2try> hny
[07:16] <faild2try> hi, in file open dialogues, every other entry has a bright blue background, with black text on it. hard to read. where can i change that?
[07:18] <ardchoille> faild2try: In kde file open dialogs?
[07:18] <matthew> what program can i use to record sounds?
[07:18] <matthew> from my mic?
[07:19] <sigma_123> won't audacity do the trick?
[07:19] <sigma_123> !audacity
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audacity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <matthew> I know nothing about audacity.. i will look it up on wikipedia...
[07:21] <sigma_123> its a oss mixer program. i know it works in windows. nt sure if it has a linux version
[07:22] <matthew> strangely, wikipedia says its a sound editing thingy, while the kubuntu package description says its a network  backup and restore utility..
[07:23] <matthew> canonical's quality assurance has a lot to be desired..
[07:24] <matthew> I guess every distro has its tradeoffs..
[07:24] <ardchoille> !info audacity
[07:24] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[07:25] <sigma_123> well with so many packages theres bound to be some errors. remember the maintainers are humans
[07:25] <faild2try> ardchoille: I'm not sure, let's say in gimp.. probably gtk ones?
[07:25] <faild2try> ardchoille: or in Gvim, too
[07:25] <ardchoille> matthew: Where are yu getting that it says it's a backup app?
[07:25] <matthew> ardchoille: the description in adept_manager
[07:27] <ardchoille> matthew: Which version of Kubuntu are you using? My adept manager says it's a audio editor, and "apt-get search --names-only audacity" says so too.
[07:28] <faild2try> indeed audacity will record from mic, i used it to do that
[07:28] <ardchoille> faild2try: Those are gtk open dialogs, not sure kde can do anything about those. Have you tried looking into the gtk theme that is being used?
[07:29] <faild2try> ardchoille: no, how can I do that? I thought if kdesktop is on, it will apply its themes to all windows, is there a way to do that? I think consistent look would be nicer
[07:30] <ardchoille> faild2try: Try systemsettings > Appearance > GTK Styles and fonts > "Use my KDE style in GTK applications"
[07:31] <faild2try> ardchoille: it is set to 'use kde style in my gtk apps'
[07:32] <ardchoille> faild2try: Ok, I seem to remember install these packages to fix that on my machines: gtk-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines
[07:35] <faild2try> ardchoille: that helped! thanks a top
[07:35] <faild2try> err
[07:35] <faild2try> thanks a ton!
[07:35] <ardchoille> faild2try: yw :)
[07:35] <faild2try> do you think maybe i should submit it as bug somewhere?
[07:37] <ardchoille> faild2try: I don't think that would help. If I don't run any gtk apps, then I wouldn't have that problem, right? Some folks wouldn't want gtk stuff installed by default if they aren't using gtk apps.
[07:37] <ardchoille> faild2try: But, of course, it's totally up to you :)
[07:38] <yns88> I'm having a problem when I'm trying to run apt-get update
[07:38] <yns88> Failed to fetch <site here> Cannot initiate the connection to 80:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (22 Invalid argument)
[07:39] <faild2try> ardchoille: well, it seems like it would be a good dependency that when gimp or vim or other gtk app is installed, and kubuntu is installed, to have them installed too, because file/open is a pretty common functionality. I'll wait till 4.0 comes out though. it might be fixed there...
[07:40] <ardchoille> yns88: faild2try Oh, that is a good point about the deps idea.
[07:40] <ardchoille> yns88: If that's a *.archive.ubuntu.com site that is causing the problem, you can switch to a different mirror.
[07:41] <ardchoille> yns88: If you pastebin your sources.list, I can take a look at it if yo want.
[07:41] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[07:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:41] <yns88> it also does it with /wine.budgetdedicated.com/
[07:44] <yns88> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50360/
[07:46] <ardchoille> yns88: You only have one line enabled in your sources?
[07:46] <yns88> I guess...I just noticed that now myself
[07:47] <yns88> it's sources.list in etc/apt that you wanted?
[07:47] <ardchoille> yns88: /etc/apt/sources.list is the one that is used by the system, show me that one.
[07:47] <yns88> this is that one
[07:49] <ardchoille> yns88: Here is my sources.list, it currently works fine. You can use this info to modify yours but back yours up before changing it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50361/
[07:50] <yns88> thanks
[07:50] <ardchoille> yns88: You're welcome. Let me know if you need help with it.
[07:51] <ardchoille> yns88: And after yo make changes, be sure to update your sources: sudo apt-get update
[07:53] <yns88> well, updating still gives the same error
[07:55] <ardchoille> yns88: Errors on all the repos?
[07:55] <yns88> that's what it seems like
[07:56] <yns88> I think it's because of my proxy settings
[07:56] <ardchoille> That could be it
[07:56] <yns88> but I've set export http_proxy already
[07:58] <ardchoille> yns88: I'm afraid I won't be much help with proxy settings
[07:59] <yns88> :(
[08:09] <Zombocom> first off happy newyears
[08:13] <AmyRose> Is there a command to tell what program is listening on a particular port?
[08:14] <Tidus> AmyRose: netstat -an shows what ports are open
[08:15] <AmyRose> Tidus: OK, but any way to see what process is holding them open?
[08:15] <Tidus> AmyRose: i'm not sure on that one
[08:15] <Tidus> what port are you questioning?
[08:16] <AmyRose> Basically, I have a problem where when a program using loopback crashes, I have to reboot my computer to be able to use it again
[08:16] <Zombocom> I have a phone jack in my computer
[08:16] <Zombocom> I'd like to be able to output through it
[08:16] <Zombocom> what programs can I use
[08:22] <Zombocom> are there any programs I can use to output sound through the modem/phone jack in my computer?
[09:20] <server_> hello
[09:21] <server_> can someone please help me
[09:22] <flaccid> thats what the channel is for
[09:23] <server_> i have got upgreade prequisites failed
[09:23] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[09:23] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:23] <flaccid> how and where from and did you read above
[09:23] <server_> tq
[09:23] <server_> btw...
[09:23] <flaccid> what is tq
[09:23] <server_> thank
[09:23] <thoreauputic> "thank you"
[09:24] <flaccid> oh i thought that was ty but cheers
[09:25] <server_> cheers
[09:27] <server_> owh.. 1 more question
[09:27] <server_> i tried to insta;; beryl
[09:27] <server_> ^ install
[09:28] <flaccid> what version of kubuntu server_
[09:28] <server_> the latest one
[09:28] <flaccid> you don't use beryl in gutsy
[09:28] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | server_
[09:28] <ubotu> server_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:29] <server_> owh
[09:29] <server_> so beryl..is not for kubuntu?
[09:29] <flaccid> not anymore. beryl is compiz and beryl projects together
[09:30] <server_> sorry... im totally new in linux...just using it for 6 hour
[09:30] <flaccid> np
[09:31] <flaccid> what i mean is compiz-fusion is beryl and compiz projects formed back together
[09:31] <server_> but im see at youtube..there is kubuntu+beryl+edgy+..etc
[09:31] <flaccid> this is gutsy
[09:31] <server_> how they istall that?
[09:32] <server_> owh
[09:32] <server_> and gutsy is alder version of kubunu?
[09:32] <flaccid> compiz-fusion gives you the same plus more plus its improved
[09:32] <server_> kubuntu?
[09:32] <flaccid> gutsy is the latest
[09:34] <mahdi_> Hello
[09:34] <server_> ergg...so complicated
[09:35] <flaccid> yep can be
[09:36] <server_> the point is there is konsole,adept manager and add n remove program
[09:36] <server_> then..update.list
[09:36] <flaccid> i don't understand sorry server_
[09:36] <server_> huhu
[09:36] <server_> ok
[09:36] <server_> if i want to install something...
[09:36] <flaccid> there are different ways to install software yes, but adept manager is enough or add n remove for basic stuff
[09:37] <flaccid> !software | server_
[09:37] <ubotu> server_: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[09:37] <server_> but my adept manager is like not function
[09:37] <flaccid> what does not function mean, what is the specific problem/err
[09:38] <server_> it is state that all application is installed  but it is not
[09:38] <flaccid> what is all application?
[09:38] <server_> and it cannot update..
[09:38] <server_> stuck at 66%
[09:38] <server_> every application in the list
[09:38] <flaccid> what is stuck at 66%, fetch updates?
[09:39] <server_> yup
[09:39] <flaccid> server_: goto konsole and type sudo apt-get update and see what the problem might be
[09:40] <server_> emm...cannot connect
[09:40] <server_> exceede connection time limit
[09:40] <flaccid> is your other web browsing and so forth working?
[09:40] <server_> yup
[09:41] <flaccid> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for me?
[09:41] <Jucato> flaccid: happy new year
[09:41] <flaccid> Jucato: happy new year jucy!
[09:41] <Jucato> :D
[09:41] <flaccid> is it hot there or nice, coz it hasn't been that hot here
[09:42] <Jucato> hot as in the temperature?
[09:42] <flaccid> yep
[09:42]  * jussi01 laughs
[09:42] <server_> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[09:42] <Jucato> ah amazingly, no... it's quite windy and cold... contrasts w/ the hottest christmas a few days ago :)
[09:43] <Jucato> happy new year jussi01
[09:43] <flaccid> interesting Jucato
[09:43] <jussi01> !register
[09:43] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[09:43] <flaccid> !pastebin | server_
[09:43] <ubotu> server_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:43] <jussi01> same back at you Jucato
[09:44] <flaccid> Jucato: whats your timezone +8 hours or something
[09:44] <Jucato> yep
[09:44] <server_> ok
[09:44] <server_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50366/
[09:44] <flaccid> ah cool im more in the future :p
[09:45] <server_> is that u want flaccid?
[09:45] <flaccid> oh thats scary, looks like just cdrom in there. you want to install stuff from the internet or cd?
[09:46] <flaccid> internet will give latest versions of packages if there are new ones
[09:46] <server_> the source code that i get is from beryl
[09:46] <flaccid> server_: what are you actually trying to achieve?
[09:47] <server_> emm.i want to install beryl
[09:47] <server_> is it possible?
[09:47] <flaccid> server_: only if you are an advanced user, and there is also no point, you can do the same thing with compiz-fusion as i said
[09:47] <jussi01> !compiz | server_
[09:47] <ubotu> server_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:48] <flaccid> !source-o-matic | server_
[09:48] <ubotu> server_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:48] <flaccid> you might want to consider that as well or enable repos in adept manager
[09:48] <Zombocom> what?
[09:48] <Zombocom> only if you are an advanced user?
[09:48] <server_> waaa..what is it all about?
[09:49] <flaccid> Zombocom: its not simple to install
[09:49] <Zombocom> it was when I did but it's hard to find nowadays if that's what you're saying
[09:49] <flaccid> !software | server_
[09:49] <ubotu> server_: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[09:49] <server_> at first installation..i already uninstall adept manager
[09:49] <server_> huhu
[09:49] <flaccid> server_: please read all the referred links to learn
[09:49] <Zombocom> he doesn't have adept manager
[09:49] <flaccid> why would you uninstall adept manager
[09:50] <Zombocom> do you have another package manager?
[09:50] <server_> em..but source o matic is not availiable
[09:50] <server_> but im fresh new now
[09:50] <flaccid> server_: did you seriously remove adept?
[09:50] <server_> yup:p
[09:50] <server_> but now i have it back
[09:50] <flaccid> why? reinstall it. also souce o matic website is up.
[09:51] <flaccid> !adept | server_
[09:51] <ubotu> server_: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:51] <flaccid> !repos | server_
[09:51] <ubotu> server_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:51] <server_> huhu..thanx all
[09:51] <flaccid> np
[09:52] <Zombocom> sorry for being argumentative
[09:52] <flaccid> hehe all is good, never seen someone remove adept before :o
[09:53] <server_> em em..i remove that because try to install automatix
[09:53] <flaccid> !automatix | server_
[09:53] <ubotu> server_: automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[09:57] <server_> emm..why i cannot connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)?
[09:57] <server_> stuck at 66%
[09:58] <server_> i do it on terminal
[09:58] <flaccid> i already answered that, but its possible you have a network problem of some kind
[09:58] <server_> sudo apt-get update
[09:58] <server_> shoul i kill the connection?
[09:58] <flaccid> yes
[09:59] <flaccid> but according your sources.list thats not even in there
[09:59] <server_> arghh..god  please help me
[09:59] <flaccid> i am helping, your are not listening
[09:59] <server_> huhu..sorry
[09:59] <flaccid> <IP_ADDRESS> is not a valid ip address, so you might want to check that dns resolution is working eg. host us.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <flaccid> but please re-read all what i said above and action
[10:00] <server_> if the dns is invalid...why i can chat at this room?
[10:01] <flaccid> i don't know, this is why you check it at least. also please fix your sources.list as i said before
[10:02] <flaccid> if you installed automatix at anytime or have played with other things/files then maybe you stuffed something, but one must diagnose
[10:02] <server_> emm..what i know is.. the valid dns is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <server_> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <flaccid> if you do not do anything i suggest, i cannot help you.
[10:03] <server_> em..i dont install automatix..this kubuntu is fresh new
[10:04] <flaccid> ok cool, just action the above then
[10:04] <server_> em...ok
[10:04] <flaccid> 1. fix sources.list 2. try update again 3. check dns etc...
[10:04] <server_> thanks
[10:05] <flaccid> np
[10:09] <xt828> does anyone know what might cause my video files to stop displaying the video component?
[10:09] <xt828> i'm getting audio fine, but just a black box in kaffeine and movie player
[10:12] <xt828> in mplayer only the leftmost quarter of the screen is used - the whole image is squashed into it - and it's in black and white
[10:13] <flaccid> xt828: have you installed the codecs
[10:13] <xt828> yeah, it was all working fine up until i logged in again about five minutes ago
[10:15] <flaccid> hmm i have no idea. same thing on reboot?
[10:16] <xt828> it's just been not working today - i have been hopping in and out of windows all day though
[10:16] <xt828> i'll reboot again and see if that fixes it
[10:16] <flaccid> fair enough, if not no idea
[10:16] <flaccid> sorry
[10:18] <Dragonath> hello, xorg log says this - (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized. I'm using an ATI card and trying to get rid of the mesa thing, I've done most howtos already and they don't want to work at all
[10:18] <Dragonath> however I've just restarted the x server and not done any reboots
[10:19] <flaccid> Dragonath: use restricted manager to reinstall it then reboot. this process does require a reboot so do that first.
[10:20] <flaccid> you may just need to reboot
[10:20] <Dragonath> reinstall what?
[10:20] <Dragonath> you mean enable the driver?
[10:22] <Dragonath> heh. it seems the restricted driver manager is borked - I don't get the kdesu dialog when I want to go to administrator mode
[10:23] <Dragonath> I'll just try rebooting then
[10:43] <MGalaxy> how can I force a software written on Mozilla Fraework ( Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English) to use Antialiasing?
[10:46] <vbgunz> is there a place to go for Open Office Writer Templates? am looking for a "skill resume" template, anyone any ideas?
[10:48] <vbgunz> well, I just downloaded some professional pack, hope there is something there :)
[10:49] <MGalaxy> vbgunz: could u plz give me the link?
[10:50] <vbgunz> MGalaxy:  http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/SunTemplatepack_1
[11:14]  * flaccid yawns
[11:18] <Dragonath> nope, still haven't got rid of mesa
[11:19] <Dragonath> xorg log says this now - (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[11:22] <flaccid> Dragonath: what card is it
[11:22] <flaccid> google has lots on that error
[11:23] <Dragonath> ati radeon 9600 pro
[11:24] <Dragonath> it might be because last reboot I started with a different kernel than before
[11:24] <flaccid> im pretty much on that card atm Dragonath
[11:24] <Dragonath> I should go back to the kernel I used when I messed around yes?
[11:25] <flaccid> i would disable the driver in restricted manager, reboot, then enable the driver again then reboot - makes sure its all gone. then i would revise the xorg.conf if there is still a problem
[11:25] <Dragonath> I did that just now
[11:26] <Dragonath> what happened was that x didn't start, so I had to reinstall fglrx from console
[11:26] <Dragonath> and then x would start and show me that the restricted driver is not in use
[11:26] <Dragonath> and if I put it into use, nothing changed in the mesa department
[11:27] <flaccid> thats a common problem i used to get that all the time, there are diferent reasons, the first one we have ruled out now i think
[11:27] <flaccid> pastebin your xorg.conf and i will ammend
[11:27] <Dragonath> sec
[11:28] <Dragonath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50373/
[11:29] <Dragonath> I had fglrx show me the correct stuff a few weeks ago, but then I shut down the pc and went for holidays
[11:29] <mauri> where are soraged the actions fot "Storage Media Notifications"? I inseted a dvd movie but no application choises is shown
[11:33] <flaccid> Dragonath: nearly finished, but if its coming up in auto detect as generic video card then it could be a new card and not be in the db yet or something
[11:34] <Dragonath> lspci shows it as ati radeon 9600 and I know that it is in fact so, because I built the pc :)
[11:34] <flaccid> what is lscpi | grep -i vga return
[11:34] <flaccid> yeah its not a new card is it pretty old now
[11:35] <flaccid> in theory valid xorg.conf for what you want: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50376/
[11:35] <flaccid> if that fails please pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log after trying to start kdm
[11:35] <Dragonath> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
[11:36] <flaccid> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[11:36] <mauri> where are soraged the actions fot "Storage Media Notifications"? I inseted a dvd movie but no application choises is shown
[11:36] <flaccid> slightly different my one coz its notebook
[11:39] <flaccid> Dragonath: your problem is also detailed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-9174d7c7fd99ae29af4fcc80e1187dac9c12d5e5 and suggests ways to fix the mesa problem. use my xorg.conf first. if you installed the fglrx package before uninstalling the open driver then that could be the problem to begin with.
[11:40] <Dragonath> I use your conf then restart x server or reboot pc?
[11:41] <flaccid> reboot
[11:42] <flaccid> if you still get mesa problem pastebin the log please Dragonath
[11:42] <Dragonath> ok
[11:44] <Dragonath> rebooting now, brb
[11:51] <flaccid> wb
[11:51] <Dragonath> x didn't like your xorg.conf at all
[11:51] <flaccid> what was the error
[11:53] <Dragonath> I think there were several
[11:53] <Dragonath> it said fatal error - no screens found
[11:53] <Dragonath> and it also said there were parse errors in the xorg.conf
[11:54] <flaccid> Dragonath: then i made a syntax mistake
[11:54] <flaccid> i will go look
[11:55] <Dragonath> if I remember correctly, then line 75 was missing endsection
[11:55] <Dragonath> but I checked and the endsection thingie was there
[11:56] <flaccid> i can't really find one
[11:57] <Dragonath> nor can I
[11:57] <Gidean> happy new year y'all
[11:57] <Dragonath> same to you
[11:58] <flaccid> Dragonath: try this one: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50378/
[11:58] <Dragonath> right
[11:59] <Dragonath> rebooting
[11:59] <flaccid> ok
[11:59] <Gidean> did something really silly...Put the kicker on the Left side of the screen, made it hide after half a second and then made it appear only when the pointer touches the bottom right corner.  Now I can't reach the damn thing to reconfigure...Any Ideas?
[12:00]  * Gidean is a moron
[12:00] <flaccid> ooo not sure, if someone else doesn't know Gidean try #kde
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Gidean: hit alt+F2, run kicker, try again
[12:07] <Gidean> thanks all
[12:07] <Gidean> H N Y !
[12:08] <Dragonath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50379/
[12:08] <llutz> HNY #kubuntu
[12:09] <flaccid> whats line 78, Dragonath
[12:10] <Dragonath> 	Option		"Composite"	"0"
[12:10] <flaccid> Dragonath: i think i've had this problem before
[12:10] <flaccid> add an additional EndSection on a new line at the end of it then restart X
[12:10] <flaccid> well try again..
[12:11] <Dragonath> so the end of the conf file would have two endsections?
[12:12] <Dragonath> on separate lines
[12:12] <flaccid> yep. i've had this before and it fixed it, it flipped me out, but yeah
[12:12] <flaccid> like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50380/
[12:12] <Dragonath> alright
[12:12] <Dragonath> I'll do a reboot again then
[12:16] <Dragonath> much better this time
[12:16] <flaccid> dang
[12:16] <Dragonath> fglrxinfo still gives me mesa though
[12:16] <flaccid> ok then pastebin the xorg log from that successful X start. and then follow the instructions for your problem from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-9174d7c7fd99ae29af4fcc80e1187dac9c12d5e5
[12:17] <readyx> auf zum atem!
[12:17] <Dragonath> ok
[12:17] <flaccid> what a pain. i mean i used to have this problem all the time, but it usually was the driver conflict but you are confident that its been removed and installed correctly so yeah need to do those few things
[12:18] <readyx> ich ficke sie und dabei stöne ich wie die eisenbahn
[12:18] <flaccid> !de | readyx
[12:18] <ubotu> readyx: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:18] <flaccid> thats pretty funny but readyx
[12:18] <llutz> flaccid: don't point that stupid troll to the german chan, kick him
[12:18] <flaccid> hehe, im not an op
[12:19] <readyx> sorry
[12:19] <readyx> wrong channel
[12:19] <flaccid> np sir
[12:20] <Dragonath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50382/
[12:23] <flaccid> ok same problem
[12:23] <flaccid> we have a good xorg.conf in theory, do the fix on the wiki
[12:23] <Dragonath> ok
[12:24] <Dragonath> btw, where can I find the grub configuration file?
[12:24] <flaccid> um its /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:24] <Dragonath> ah ok
[12:24] <flaccid> for the menu
[12:24] <flaccid> !grub | Dragonath
[12:24] <ubotu> Dragonath: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:28] <Dragonath> reboot again
[12:37] <Dragonath> what packages are linux-$arch and ubuntu-fglrx-$arch?
[12:37] <Dragonath> I realise that  $arch is x86 or something like that, but even then they don't show up in adept
[12:37] <flaccid> ignore that packaging part, that is from releases prior to gutsy
[12:38] <Dragonath> ah ok
[12:55] <vbgunz> anybody here familiar with footnotes in oowriter? how can I have several footnotes all point to a single footnote?
[13:02] <mauri> where does kubuntu sotrage the media notification rules
[13:04] <flaccid> mauri: im not sure, maybe kcontrol -> Storage media
[13:05] <mauri> flaccid: i'm speaking about where the files is in the distribution
[13:07] <flaccid> i don't know what you mean sorry
[13:10] <olegb> mauri: /media
[13:10] <olegb> ?
[13:11] <mauri> flaccid: the problem is that when i insert a dvd movie in dvd player device, kubuntu does not show the possible action for istance play with kaffeine or copy qith k3b and so on
[13:11] <flaccid> mauri: did you ask in #kde
[13:12] <mauri> flaccid: not yet....i try now thanks however
[13:12] <flaccid> there is also lots on google and the ubuntu wiki and forums..
[13:13] <flaccid> mauri: ~/.kde/share/config/medianotifierrc
[13:13] <flaccid> lots of bugs on this like https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131734
[13:16] <mauri> flaccid: the problem is that not medianotifierrc file is present in the path you gave me
[13:16] <flaccid> you mean the file doesn't exist mauri?
[13:17] <mauri> flaccid: yes
[13:17] <flaccid> it doesn't on mine either maybe thats an old filename, one sec
[13:17] <mauri> flaccid: it does not exist also with /root/
[13:17] <HellTiger> hi all.
[13:17] <flaccid> mauri: root shouldn't run X/kde..
[13:18] <mauri> flaccid: i know
[13:19] <mauri> flaccid: but when I run "system setting -> Notification -> storage media notification " all the action are present but they are not present when i use my user
[13:20] <flaccid> i dont understand what you mean
[13:20] <flaccid> oh yeah i get ya
[13:20] <HellTiger> i need support with kubuntu and fritzcard, dial up modem. is everything i need on the cd?
[13:21] <kraut> moin
[13:21] <flaccid> mauri: which release of ubuntu and kde version?
[13:22] <mauri> flaccid: 7.10
[13:22] <Kamarov> isn't the version corresponding to the release date?
[13:22] <mauri> flaccid: if i try to start "systemsettings" as user no notifications setting are present but if I start it aas root the notification setting are present
[13:23] <mauri> flaccid: the problem is that when i insert a dvd I think that is made by user and not by root and so no actions is shown
[13:23] <flaccid> when you say no notifications settings are present, do you mean in storage media
[13:24] <flaccid> in kcontrol or system settings?
[13:24] <phil> Hi, I got a problem using the native resolution of my laptop, i always have to scroll
[13:24] <phil> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/423538 <- my xorg.conf
[13:24] <mauri> flaccid:System Setting > System notification > storage media notification
[13:26] <slow-motion> hi
[13:26] <flaccid> mauri: unfortunately i can't find the config file for it, #kde or google might help
[13:27]  * sacasa say hello
[13:28] <Dragonath> weird problem here - adept shows linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-16-generic in the list, but I can't install it
[13:28] <ghosTM55> anybody here comes from China
[13:28] <Dragonath> not even through konsole
[13:29] <flaccid> Dragonath: pastebin: echo 'Package: '; dpkg -l | grep fglrx; echo 'Kernel: '; uname -r; echo 'Release:'; lsb_release -a; echo 'Kernel Mod:'; lsmod | grep -i fglrx
[13:30] <Tm_T> !china | ghosTM55
[13:30] <ubotu> ghosTM55: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[13:30] <mauri> flaccid:I tried to ask to kde but it told that is a kubuntu problem,,,,,,but it doesn't matter. Thanks however
[13:30] <flaccid> mauri: yeah sounds about right. numerous bugs on both kubuntu and kde about this in 3.5.x
[13:30] <ghosTM55> Tm_T: thx
[13:30] <Dragonath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50385/
[13:31] <cef> 2 days ago I think an OOo dependency didn't install properly.. anyone know if this is fixed?
[13:31] <flaccid> rc  xorg-driver-fglrx                          7.1.0-8.37.6+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10               Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators <--- says that only the runtime config is left, the package is not installed
[13:32] <flaccid> it should be like: ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          7.1.0-8.37.6+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10          Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[13:32] <mauri> flaccid:thanks however for the disponibility
[13:32] <Duron_m09> hi all
[13:32] <TimS> I intend to copy my /home directory to a new harddrive, but If I am running KDE at the time will it mess up?
[13:32] <Duron_m09> I am a newbie for this chat usage
[13:32] <Dragonath> right, so what do I do... install the xorg-driver-fglrx package again?
[13:32] <flaccid> mauri: np
[13:32] <Duron_m09> please let me how to use this
[13:33] <flaccid> Dragonath: 2.6.22-14-generic should be available now. i would update to that too :)
[13:33] <TimS> Duron_m09: Use what?
[13:33] <flaccid> Dragonath: yep
[13:33] <Duron_m09> konversation
[13:33] <TimS> You type and hit enter.
[13:33] <Duron_m09> how to add channels
[13:33] <cef> TimS: might use some files in /home so yeah.. prob best done using either a liveCD or switching to the CLI while a user isn't logged in
[13:34] <ghosTM55> Duron_m09: use / join
[13:34] <Dragonath> I've got the 2.6.22-14-generic installed :)
[13:34] <flaccid> Dragonath: type this in konverstaion #kubuntu tab: dpkg -l | grep xorg-driver-
[13:34] <Dragonath> dpkg -l | grep xorg-driver-
[13:34] <ghosTM55> Duron_m09: u should have a look at IRC tutorial first
[13:34] <TimS> cef, Okay, so if I switch to cli, wouldn't I still be loged in?
[13:34] <Duron_m09>  IRC tutorial
[13:34] <flaccid> Dragonath: you should be using it. notice how the fglrx package is kernel version specific/dependent
[13:34] <Duron_m09> ok I will try that
[13:35] <flaccid> Dragonath: sorry i meant /exec cmd dpkg -l | grep xorg-driver-
[13:35] <Dragonath> rc  xorg-driver-fglrx                          7.1.0-8.37.6+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10               Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[13:35] <TimS> cef: Can you log in as root?
[13:35] <cef> TimS: true.. but less stuff going on, and the only thing that will probably cause a problem is that your bash history might not work.
[13:35] <Duron_m09> I have loged in as root]
[13:35] <cef> TimS: you can set a password for root (using 'sudo passwd') and then you can log in as root, which makes it possible that way
[13:36] <Duron_m09> can some body tell a link to linux tutorial
[13:36] <cef> TimS: doing it that way, sudo doesn't get broken and so all the usual tutorials on the net still work
[13:36] <cef> TimS: there is also the recovery console
[13:37] <flaccid> Dragonath: ok so reboot into that kernel. it probably said you don't need any restricted driver because you booted the wrong kernel. reboot into that kernel, then do a sudo dpkg --purge xorg-driver-fglrx; sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx and then reboot
[13:37] <Dragonath> there's no way to make things work on this kernel?
[13:37] <flaccid> you can use restricted manager to do the same thing in theory..
[13:38] <flaccid> the xorg-driver-fglrx version needs to mach the kernel version... which is what that error is saying too in xorg.conf
[13:38] <cef> anyone in .au done an update using adept lately?
[13:38] <Dragonath> ok
[13:38] <flaccid> why do you need to use the older kernel, Dragonath?
[13:38] <flaccid> cef: i believe so
[13:38] <TimS> cef: Would it be easier and safter, just to mount the new HD as /home/tim/media and just for me to copy my images, videos and songs over, as that is the reason for me buying a new HD, I dont have room for the videos
[13:39] <Dragonath> I'm using the newest I got right now: 2.6.22-16
[13:39] <flaccid> Dragonath: the uname -r says you are using 2.6.20-16-generic
[13:40] <cef> huh? adept keeps telling me I've got a new dist version available
[13:40] <Dragonath> flaccid: yes, that's right
[13:40] <Dragonath> argh
[13:40] <Dragonath> :D
[13:41] <Dragonath> 20, not 22, will fix stuff now, sorry
[13:41] <flaccid> hehe np
[13:41] <flaccid> cef: i aint got that
[13:42] <cef> flaccid: hrmm,.. and just installed this machine with Gutsy 2 days ago
[13:42] <flaccid> cef: then you are welcome to update it
[13:42] <TimS> cef: Its a gutsy bug. It happend when i first installed it too. Its something in adepy
[13:43] <TimS> adept* I cant remeber the fix tho
[13:43] <cef> there was a new version of adept, which might've been the fix
[13:43] <flaccid> oh dang perhaps just do a sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade from konsole and make sure its up to date as well
[13:43] <cef> manually installed it
[13:44] <cef> ahh yeah.. seems a lot better now.. hrm
[13:44] <mahasamoot> After adding a user to a group, is there a way to make the change take effect w/out loging out, then back in?
[13:44] <flaccid> i've been helping people with bug related in problems in this channel a lot lately
[13:44] <cef> mahasamoot: no
[13:45] <flaccid> mahasamoot: you can go to a tty
[13:45] <flaccid> depends what you need to do
[13:46] <mahasamoot> if I log into a tty, will that reset the groups in my other session?
[13:47] <flaccid> nope
[13:47] <flaccid> unfortunately its init from the login shell..
[13:47] <mahasamoot> ok, thanks for the help, it's not a big deal
[13:48] <flaccid> np
[13:48] <cef> ahh hrm, replacing config files.. seems adept keeps balking at them and doesn't prompt the user for details
[13:49] <cef> been ages since I used KDE.. but I am now pleasantly at home with it after 2 days. :D
[13:49] <flaccid> kde is great, but man so many bugs well at least in kubuntu
[13:49] <cef> yer.. well hopefully hardy will clean that up
[13:50] <flaccid> yeah but its been going on like this since the start
[13:50] <bassem> hi
[13:51] <bassem> how can i run aXXo format on kubuntu ?
[13:51] <flaccid> give aXXo a call
[13:51] <bassem> flaccid: wt ??
[13:51] <flaccid> !warez | bassem
[13:51] <ubotu> bassem: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[13:51] <flaccid> isn't that the pirate movie guy
[13:52] <flaccid> aXXo isn't a codec iirc
[13:52] <TimS> cef: In the tutorial it sais "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk" should I change this to "mount /dev/hdb1 /media/disk"
[13:52] <bassem> flaccid: sorry .. i didn`t know its illegal :)
[13:52] <flaccid> hehehehe
[13:52] <TimS> axxo's codec is avi and xvid. If you ask how to install that, it would be legal.
[13:53] <flaccid> !codecs | bassem
[13:53] <ubotu> bassem: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:53] <bassem> thanks :D
[13:54] <flaccid> np
[13:56] <Dragonath> right, how do I make xorg use the ati restricted driver now?
[13:57] <flaccid> restricted manager
[13:58] <Dragonath> it's enabled, but not in use
[13:58] <flaccid> did we work out a good xorg.conf before? i would just use that if you have fixed the packaging
[13:59] <Dragonath> well the howto had me change some bits of it
[13:59] <Dragonath> it doesn't load fglrx for example
[14:00] <flaccid> fair enough... you followed down to the next section which is not related to your issue
[14:00] <flaccid> shouldn't of done that. sorry the wiki is not clear, its damn confusing
[14:01] <flaccid> would be good if the ubuntu-doc team wrote a real manual
[14:02] <HellTiger> hello, how can i setup fritzcard with kubunutu?
[14:02] <flaccid> !find fritzcard
[14:03] <ubotu> Package/file fritzcard does not exist in gutsy
[14:03] <flaccid> hmm never heard of it. try google
[14:03] <Dragonath> as I understand now, I'm using the open source driver, and I should make x use the flgrx thing instead, yes?
[14:03] <flaccid> or fritzcard's site or whatever
[14:04] <flaccid> Dragonath: yeah you just went on to the next section for people with another problem. not good. but yeah it needs to use fglrx and if you packaging is good it should work with that kernel. can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i linux-restricted-modules
[14:05] <Dragonath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50387/
[14:06] <HellTiger> !find fritz
[14:06] <ubotu> Found: avm-fritz-firmware, avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.17-6, avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.22-14, avm-fritz-kernel-source
[14:06] <flaccid> is that the same thing HellTiger as fritzcard ?
[14:06] <HellTiger> my problem is, i havent kubuntu online. so i have to download the files with windows on usbstick and run them in ubuntu
[14:07] <HellTiger> flaccid avm fritz card pci
[14:07] <flaccid> sweet
[14:07] <HellTiger> its an isdn software, dial up modem
[14:07] <HellTiger> !find isdn
[14:07] <ubotu> Found: isdnutils-base, isdnutils-doc, isdnutils-xtools, asterisk-app-misdn-v110, asterisk-chan-misdn (and 12 others)
[14:08] <flaccid> HellTiger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[14:08] <HellTiger> usb stick runs
[14:08] <flaccid> im not sure if that helps you but
[14:08] <HellTiger> ill alrdy get source file from avm, but it didnt works. i will use the drivers from ubuntu,
[14:10] <HellTiger> !find fcpci
[14:10] <Dragonath> flaccid: I should replace the "ati" in xorg.conf with "fglrx"?
[14:10] <ubotu> Package/file fcpci does not exist in gutsy
[14:11] <flaccid> Dragonath: yep
[14:12]  * jussi01 doesnt understand why people dont use aticonfig
[14:12] <Dragonath> then reboot again?
[14:13] <flaccid> um shouldn't need to now that the package is fixed but you could if it still doesn't work lol
[14:14] <Dragonath> interesting, xorg.conf is missing :)
[14:14] <flaccid> not sure how that is possible heh
[14:16] <Dragonath> I didn't delete anything
[14:16] <Dragonath> hm
[14:16] <kraemate__> why is kubuntu so inferior compared to ubuntu??
[14:16] <Dragonath> it's not
[14:16] <SSJ_GZ> kraemate__: Less developers.
[14:17] <flaccid> Dragonath: in konversation: /exec cmd ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf*
[14:17] <Dragonath>  /exec cmd ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf*
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071128182113
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-1
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-2
[14:17] <kraemate__> oh i see..
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-1
[14:17] <Dragonath> /etc/X11/xorg.conf~
[14:17] <Dragonath> sorry!
[14:17] <flaccid> oh thats my bad i take responsibility for that
[14:17] <flaccid> it should not have done that with a break on the end of each line
[14:18] <Dragonath> I used the backup
[14:18] <flaccid> Dragonath: so you can do ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf* to see the dates modified to work out which one to rename or look at them to find the right version
[14:18] <flaccid> cool
[14:18] <Dragonath> going to try restarting x now, brb
[14:24] <Dragonath> at long last, mesa is gone, thank you flaccid
[14:26] <flaccid> oh so you are all fixed now dang
[14:26] <flaccid> np
[14:27] <flaccid> that was fun wasn't it lol
[14:27] <Dragonath> yup
[14:28] <flaccid> yeah i been there done that a lot in the past. video support still has a very long way to go in general/many aspects
[14:28] <Dragonath> let's hope it doesn't bork itself next reboot
[14:29] <flaccid> it should be fine, until you change kernel :p
[14:30] <Dragonath> well, wine seems to think I only have 16 MB of graphics ram
[14:30] <flaccid> oh dang
[14:30] <fritz> happy new year
[14:30] <fritz> I havent used the restroom in a year
[14:31] <fritz> lol
[14:31] <fritz> just got up
[14:31] <fritz> hey I have a question about my flash player...... why dont I have it?
[14:32] <Dragonath> quake 3 works, so the graphics are borked with wine, and perchance max payne 2 only
[14:32] <fritz> I did the multiverse repository and updated
[14:32] <enry> hi! happy new year to everybody!
[14:32] <fritz> enry: happy new year
[14:33] <Jeroi> does wine need windows gfx drivers?
[14:33] <Jeroi> to be installed into wine's windows path?
[14:33] <Dragonath> I don't think so
[14:34] <fritz> everywhere I go on the web I still get the 'click here to d/l plugin
[14:34] <Jeroi> fritz are you installed it?
[14:34] <Jeroi> falsgplugin-nonfree?
[14:34] <Jeroi> falsh*
[14:35] <fritz> I thought i did
[14:35] <llutz> !flash
[14:35] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:35] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:35] <fritz> yeah, Idid all that
[14:35] <fritz> and I restarted FF
[14:36] <mahasamoot> Jucato: I had to install it, but it worked for me
[14:36] <fritz> still same story
[14:36] <fritz> weird
[14:36] <Jucato> hm?
[14:36] <fritz> never had problems before
[14:36] <mahasamoot> Jucato: I noticed that their script downloaded a bunch of lib32s, which is not a good sign... but it seems to work
[14:37] <fritz> multiverse was already checked when I went to check it the first time
[14:37] <Jucato> mahasamoot: um.. why are you telling me this?
[14:38] <mahasamoot> Jucato: you were asking about flash right?  I'm just letting you know my expirence with it... but I may have missed something... sorry if it's not pertaint for you
[14:38] <TimS> Is there a limit to the number of CD/DVD drives there are?
[14:38] <Jucato> um.. no, I wasn't asking about flash....
[14:39] <fritz> mahasamoot: cool name, where are you from?
[14:39] <mahasamoot> Jucato: sorry, it's late here, maybe I should go to bed :-)
[14:39] <Jucato> :D
[14:40] <mahasamoot> fritz: I live in Thailand, Mahasamoot is my Thai nickname... it mean oceans, becuse I have blue eyes
[14:40] <mahasamoot> in Thailand everyone has nicknames
[14:40] <fritz> wow thats pretty cool
[14:41] <mahasamoot> thanks
[14:41] <mahasamoot> fritz: is pretty cool too, tho... were are you from?
[14:41] <Jucato> (in IRC, everyone has to have a nickname :P)
[14:41] <Jucato> but this is getting kinda offtopic, so :)
[14:41] <Jucato> social chit-chat @ #kubuntu-offtopic :D
[14:41] <mahasamoot> Jucato: right, sorry
[14:43] <fritz> a very exotic place... VA USA   I have a flash question   :o)
[14:43] <fritz> I did what I was supposed too
[14:43] <fritz> I think
[14:44] <fritz> but I still get the 'click here to DL'
[14:44] <mahasamoot> fritz: did you download it off adobes website, or did you use apt-get?
[14:44] <fritz> I tried to do the steps again, but it was checked and  the other thing was already installed
[14:45] <flaccid> which steps frits?
[14:45] <fritz> adept
[14:45] <fritz> should i do apt-get flash?
[14:46] <Stilo> Happy new year!
[14:46] <fritz> right back at ya!
[14:46] <mahasamoot> fritz: I don't think that will work, but I'd try that first
[14:47] <fritz> can you give me the proper command?
[14:48] <flaccid> fritz: where are these steps you followed
[14:48] <fritz> kubuntu website
[14:48] <flaccid> are you doing the fix for the flash plugin broken package?
[14:51] <fritz> I just did the steps to install the flash (newbie here)
[14:51] <fritz> hope Ianswered the Q
[14:51] <flaccid> !flash | fritz
[14:51] <ubotu> fritz: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:51] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:52] <fritz> yeah, the first link is what I did
[14:52] <fritz> do I need to do the second as well?
[14:53] <flaccid> yeah its broken at the moment so its a manual process
[14:53] <fritz> oh great
[15:00] <vistakiller> happy new kubuntu year :D
[15:02] <Dr_willis> Knew Year.
[15:03] <flaccid> i have bad rsi. /me sulks
[15:03] <Dr_willis> My wrist hurts from too much Wii Bowling. :)
[15:05] <flaccid> oh dang. i have keyboard and trackball rsi
[15:07] <tdn> How do I extract ace archives? Ark will not do it for me.
[15:07] <llutz> tdn unace
[15:08] <splinux23> hola
[15:08] <splinux23> alguno en la sala
[15:08] <Dr_willis> !info unace
[15:08] <ubotu> unace: extract, test and view .ace archives. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2b-5 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB
[15:09] <splinux23> hola alguno en la sala
[15:09] <xsarr> happy NY 2 all
[15:09] <tdn> llutz, it is installed. Shouldnt Ark be able to use unace?
[15:10] <Dr_willis> !info unp
[15:10] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.12 (gutsy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[15:10] <llutz> tdn: i don't know
[15:10] <splinux23> i speak spanish
[15:10] <Dr_willis> !es | splinux23
[15:10] <ubotu> splinux23: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:11] <splinux23> gracias
[15:11] <hikenboot> anyone know a xchat channel for nautilus
[15:11] <Schuenemann> I don't see any output between GRUB and the login screen and it's taking a lot more than usual. What's wrong?
[15:11] <Dr_willis> hikenboot,  perhaps in #gnome
[15:12] <hikenboot> thanks Dr_willis
[15:12] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,   thats whyi always disable the splash screens. It may be scanning the disks for errors
[15:12] <Dr_willis> it does that check every 30 or so remounts/boots
[15:12] <tdn> Hmm... unace says: *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/unace terminated; zsh: abort (core dumped)  unace l
[15:12] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, but there is output during that
[15:13] <Schuenemann> well, there always is
[15:14] <Dr_willis> what are you seeing exactly? the splash screen? a blinking Cursor?  a Bugs Bunny cartoon? :)
[15:14] <Dr_willis> tdn,  you using zsh?
[15:14] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, nothing
[15:14] <Schuenemann> I choose kubuntu in GRUB, then a blank screen until login
[15:15] <tdn> Dr_willis, yes.
[15:15] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  Hmm... interesting..   I would say disable the framebuffer - Just to see if thats  the reason for the no output. ALSO i had a machine the other day. if i hooked up to the tv out.. the console/messages defaulted to the tv
[15:16] <Dr_willis> tdn,  try bash? that would be an interesting bug if it was shell specific.
[15:16] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, that happened to me once and I did something related to framebuffer. I can't remember where that is
[15:16] <tdn> Dr_willis, hmm.. But I think it was unace that got smashed.
[15:16] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  im guessing its scanning the disks for the delay. and the framebuffer is the reason for the no output.
[15:16] <Dr_willis> tdn,  trouble shooting 101 I guess. :)
[15:17] <tdn> Dr_willis, should I try and strace it?
[15:17] <Dr_willis> got a link to an ace file? ill try it here.
[15:17] <flaccid> maybe unace uses zsh there or the archive has an issue or it needs more params
[15:17] <Dr_willis> try just unace --help
[15:17] <Dr_willis> see if that crashes
[15:18] <tdn> Dr_willis, Dr_willis it does not, but there is no --help switch for unace.
[15:18] <Dr_willis> installing unace here. not
[15:18] <Dr_willis> try -help or -dontcrashonmeplease
[15:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[15:18] <flaccid> see man unace
[15:18] <Dr_willis> or just unace
[15:18] <tdn> Dr_willis, lots of ace files here: http://thepiratebay.org/search/ace/0/3/0
[15:18] <Dr_willis> trying to install unace.. the repo seems.. slow..or down. for me
[15:18] <flaccid> t is for test integrity
[15:18] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, where do I disable it?
[15:19] <tdn> flaccid, I have read the man page.
[15:19] <flaccid> ok sweet tdn, try googling the error as well
[15:19] <tdn> flaccid, and it has nothing about that error.
[15:19] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  in the menu.lst file. Or you can edit the boot menu on boot up (hit e) and append the 'nofb' option to the end of the  kernel line. that willdo it for one boot up.
[15:20] <Dr_willis> Could not connect to mirror.cs.umn.edu:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[15:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. thats a bummer...
[15:21] <flaccid> tdn: are you sure its an ace archive and ACE is not a name of a piracy group or something else?
[15:21] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, I append that to the kernel line in menu.lst?
[15:21] <Schuenemann> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic root=UUID=43e57296-0c2c-4387-92ff-7db54b0354d6 ro quiet splash locale=pt_BR
[15:22] <flaccid> tdn: the link provided is not for .ace files but rather Ripper: ACE
[15:22] <tdn> flaccid, file says: ACE archive data version 20, from Win/32, version 20
[15:22] <flaccid> and what was the command you were running to get that error?
[15:23] <tdn> flaccid, unace l archive.ace
[15:23] <tdn> flaccid, so it began listing files and crashed during the operation.
[15:23] <flaccid> howabout unace t archive.ace
[15:23] <flaccid> what does that return
[15:24] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, oh well, I'll try on the fly, brb
[15:24] <tdn> flaccid, the TPB link? There should be a lot of ace files on that page?
[15:25] <flaccid> well most of the results are for files ripped by someone called ACE
[15:25] <tdn> flaccid, like this one: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3947828/buxto_autoclicker.ace
[15:25] <flaccid> thanks
[15:25] <tdn> flaccid, or: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3928247/Jay-Z_Discography.ace
[15:25] <jpatrick> tdn: err, no torrent links here please
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year ! ...hiyas all :)
[15:26] <tdn> jpatrick, I was just asked for a link for an ace archive, and this was the first place that popped in to mind :)
[15:26]  * Dr_willis wonders why ace is even used. :)
[15:26] <tdn> Dr_willis, me too.
[15:26] <flaccid> yeah link me to an actual .ace file thats not illegal at least
[15:26] <flaccid> and is actually a .ace file and not html
[15:27] <Dr_willis> The only time ive ever seened it used is on.. well.. some what less-then-legal files.
[15:27] <tdn> flaccid, I sorry, I don't know of any, and I don't know anything on the validity of the files on the pirate bay.
[15:27] <Dr_willis> and then most of the time its a .ace that has a .zip in it.
[15:27] <Dr_willis> I still cant get unace to install. My repo site seems down
[15:27] <flaccid> lol ignorance is no excuse heheeh
[15:28] <flaccid> well i don't have a valid .ace file to test with sorry, so i suggest submitting a bug
[15:28] <Dr_willis> or trying some other ace file.
[15:28] <tdn> flaccid, I'm working on getting an .ace file.
[15:28] <flaccid> its like a windows 3rd party format
[15:28] <tdn> Dr_willis, I don't have any other.
[15:29] <Dr_willis> I seem to recall a lot of files at  a somewhat questionable legality site of gamecopyworld.com had a lot of aces. :)
[15:29] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, no luck
[15:30] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  in menu.lst my line looks like --->
[15:30] <Dr_willis> # defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb
[15:30] <Dr_willis> then rerun 'sudo update-grub' that will disable the splash and fb for all the kernel entries in the grub menus
[15:30] <flaccid> !bugs | tdn
[15:30] <ubotu> tdn: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[15:30] <Schuenemann> I edited the line during boot
[15:31] <Dr_willis> so you saw no text then?   did ya try both nosplash and nofb ?
[15:31] <tdn> flaccid, I am aware, thank you. :)
[15:31] <flaccid> tdn: bit of a bummer isnt it
[15:31] <tdn> flaccid, but I'm not sure this is a bug yet.
[15:31] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, no, I just appended nofb
[15:32] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, your defoptions is commented?
[15:32] <Dr_willis> also instead of quiet - i think thers some option for more verbose output.
[15:32] <flaccid> tdn: if the archive opens in winace or whatever then its likely to be
[15:32] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  actually its NOT. :) menu.lst is special in how it handles the comments. since its used by grub and update-grub
[15:32] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  leave the 1 # in there.
[15:32] <Schuenemann> hmmm ok
[15:32] <Schuenemann> kinda confusing
[15:32] <Dr_willis> grub ignores the 1# lines.. update-grub sees them and uses them
[15:33] <Schuenemann> # defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb locale=pt_BR
[15:33] <Dr_willis> update-grub ignores the 2 ## lines.
[15:33] <Schuenemann> ok
[15:33] <Dr_willis> you could use noquiet also i think. or is it 'verbose' ?
[15:33] <tdn> flaccid, I have not WinAce nor Windows.
[15:33] <Dr_willis> that spits out a lot of things
[15:33] <tdn> flaccid, so I cannot test.
[15:33] <Dr_willis> tdn,  ive used winrar.exe with wine befor
[15:33] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, it always spitted a lot of things
[15:34] <flaccid> dang, ask the person to stop using .ace windows files lol
[15:34] <tdn> flaccid, Dr_willis: Should this be reported as a security bug? I mean the stack is smashed so it could be some buffer overflow, right?
[15:35] <flaccid> um not sure to be honest
[15:35] <Dr_willis> Not sure either. :)
[15:35] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, quiet doesn't print anything?
[15:35] <flaccid> as long as a bug is submitted i guess
[15:35] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  I though Quiet  was used by some of the modules to mean 'only print out critical info'
[15:35] <Schuenemann> I'll try both, brb
[15:41] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, nothing
[15:41] <tallia1> hello guys
[15:41] <tallia1> I need your advice
[15:41] <Dr_willis> Im out of ideas.. unles syou got a tv out hooked up Schuenemann .
[15:42] <flaccid> ok tallia1 be human towards humans
[15:42] <Schuenemann> I don't... the only thing I changed recently was commenting the wacom lines in xorg.conf, but I don't think that matters
[15:42] <Dr_willis> "if it sounds too good to be true.. you are listing to an Apple comercial..."
[15:42] <tdn> Dr_willis, flaccid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unace/+bug/179684
[15:42] <flaccid> if it blue screens in the demo its billy doing a show
[15:43] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  nope. shouldent matter.  YOu could try booting to the rescue/recovery mode and seeing if you see the messages then.
[15:43] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, hey, I forgot to update grub
[15:43] <Schuenemann> what is the command again?
[15:43] <Dr_willis> sudo update-grub
[15:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[15:44] <Schuenemann> brb
[15:44] <flaccid> tdn: i can't access that page for some reason, no permission
[15:44] <tdn> flaccid, oh. Try now.
[15:44] <tdn> flaccid, for some reason it was marked "private".
[15:44] <flaccid> ok thanks
[15:44] <tdn> flaccid, however, I cannot run it with gdb for some reason.
[15:44] <flaccid> tdn: did you try it in bash or sh
[15:45] <flaccid> or does it need zsh or something?
[15:45] <tdn> flaccid, no. I will try. I just only use zsh.
[15:45] <flaccid> cool man
[15:45] <tdn> flaccid, same error: *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/unace terminated
[15:45] <tdn> Aborted (core dumped)
[15:46] <flaccid> need a simple example valid .ace archive to compare dang
[15:46] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, it worked! thanks
[15:46] <tdn> flaccid, can I PM you?
[15:46] <tallia1> I need to sell my laptop, including my HD, and I need to secure erase my data. do you know any solution?
[15:46] <flaccid> Schuenemann: what options you end up using
[15:46] <flaccid> ok tdn
[15:47] <tdn> tallia1, shred
[15:47] <tallia1> flaccid: sorry, my battery was dead :)
[15:47] <Schuenemann> flaccid, I only added nofb
[15:47] <flaccid> ah cool
[15:47] <flaccid> or zap if its on unix
[15:47] <Schuenemann> and changed splash to nosplash, even though I didn't see any change
[15:47] <flaccid> hmm no its not
[15:48] <Schuenemann> kind of interesting that it seems a lot faster with output, perhaps it's my perception
[15:48] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  with nofb - it CAN be faster. :)
[15:48] <vicente> has anyone installed q3 on kubuntu? im having problems copying the pak0.pk3
[15:48] <flaccid> vicente: whats the error
[15:48] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  i noticed a huge differance  with fb/nofb when using gentoo ages ago.
[15:48] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, I still don't get why it changed by itself
[15:49] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  there was a kernel update a day or so ago i thoght
[15:49] <vicente> cp: reading `/media/cdrom/Quake3/baseq3/pak0.pk3': Input/output error
[15:49] <Dr_willis> sounds like a classic - dirty cd disk to me.
[15:49] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, ahhh..... I did a lot of updates yesterday
[15:49] <Schuenemann> my autoupdater isn't working too
[15:49] <Dr_willis> Schuenemann,  some of the repos seem down.
[15:49] <vicente> flaccid: any ideas?
[15:49] <Schuenemann> auto-warn, I mean
[15:49] <Dr_willis> Could not connect to mirror.cs.umn.edu:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[15:50] <Dr_willis> anyone else getting that?
[15:50] <tallia1> tdn: but shred need input files
[15:50] <tallia1> tdn: while I need to clear a whole volume
[15:50] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, no... I haven't seen any updates for a long time. Yesterday I did a apt-get upgrade and there were almost 300 MB
[15:50] <tallia1> and subfolders
[15:50] <flaccid> vicente: thats usually hardware input/ouput problem, possible damage. you can try fsck i guess
[15:50] <flaccid> possible problem on the source disk too
[15:51] <tdn> tallia1, use the device file as input file.
[15:51] <flaccid> can be physical damage too
[15:51] <tallia1> tdn: oh, ok
[15:51] <tallia1> :) thanks
[15:51] <tdn> tallia1, advice: use the -v and -z options.
[15:52] <vicente> so if its scratched it wont work,
[15:52] <vicente> thats no good!
[15:52] <flaccid> lol
[15:52] <Schuenemann> hehe
[15:52] <Schuenemann> that's why I never lend my cds
[15:54] <tallia1> tdn: correction
[15:54] <tallia1> tdn: I have a subfolder
[15:54] <tdn> tallia1, yes?
[15:54] <tallia1> tdn: or better, I would like to clear the whole space that is free on the disk
[15:55] <flaccid> oh yeah as Dr_willis said, classic dirty disk
[15:55] <tallia1> tdn: I didn't separate the home folder in another partition :P
[15:55] <tdn> tallia1, erase the whole disk/media and copy important data back to the media from your latest backup. The only way to be sure.
[15:55] <ScottG> hey guys.. is it possible to move my /home directory? I have two 160 GB drives. Originally I had PCLinuxOS as the only distro on one and its /home on the other. Then I split the first one 80/80 PCLOS/Kubuntu and I never use PCLOS anymore.. what would be the best way to give more space to Kubuntu for its /home?
[15:56] <tallia1> mhh, the fact is that the media is the UNIX system itself from which the program is launched :(
[15:56] <Dr_willis> ScottG,  You could always make a data partition and give the users access to that for their stuff.
[15:56] <tallia1> tdn: mhh, the fact is that the media is the UNIX system itself from which the program is launched :(
[15:56] <Dr_willis> ScottG,  or move some users /home/USERNAME dir to that other partition.
[15:56] <Dr_willis> OR ya could move all of home...
[15:56] <tdn> tallia1, does not matter. Once binary is loaded it will run even though the file is deleted from disk.
[15:57] <tdn> tallia1, also, you could use a live cd.
[15:59] <tallia1> how do I edit partitions'
[15:59] <tallia1> ?
[15:59] <flaccid> !format | tallia1
[16:00] <ubotu> tallia1: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[16:00] <flaccid> or you can use fdisk in shell
[16:00] <tdn> tallia1, I would recommend using cfdisk.
[16:00] <Dr_willis> or a live cd with gparted, or other tools
[16:01] <vicente> flaccid: im just going to bittorrent the game, then use my legit cd key
[16:01] <Dr_willis> formating is NOT the same as partitioning. :) rember that.. you fdisk, then format..
[16:01] <flaccid> vicente: fair enough
[16:01]  * Dr_willis had to explain to a guy once.. you fdisk then format.. not format then fdisk.. :)
[16:02] <flaccid> yeah stupid windows made people think that you just 'partition' or just 'format' the whole disk or something
[16:02] <flaccid> partition type then fs type
[16:03] <flaccid> part being the container
[16:03] <N6REJ> boy i've grown stupid.... Its been a long time and now i can't remember how to do a lot of things.
[16:03] <N6REJ> I'm having a problem with sound.  Its only playing on one speaker
[16:03] <Dr_willis> Check the cables? :)
[16:03] <N6REJ> nope works great in windows
[16:04] <Daisuke-Ido> check the balance in the mixer?
[16:04] <N6REJ> let me 3x check
[16:04] <flaccid> ask the ghost in the room to stop playing games
[16:05] <N6REJ> interesting its showing 2 sound devices
[16:05] <N6REJ> mix is set to middle
[16:05] <Daisuke-Ido> flaccid: since asking a ghost to do something tends to not work well, we'll go with non-paranormal solutions first, then contact a medium if it continues
[16:06] <Daisuke-Ido> check the other sound device?
[16:06] <flaccid> Daisuke-Ido: can we contact a large instead of a medium they are heaps cooler
[16:06] <Daisuke-Ido> mrs. cake?
[16:06] <flaccid> lol
[16:06] <Daisuke-Ido> awesome, bonus points for you :P
[16:07] <tallia1> tdn: cfdisk, here it is :)
[16:07] <N6REJ> dang I hate that i've forgotten alot of commands
[16:07] <tallia1> i just forgot the name
[16:07] <N6REJ> there used to be a whole section on configuration
[16:07] <mauri>  where are stored the informations built by "System Setting >Notification>Storage Media notification?
[16:08] <Daisuke-Ido> i am so getting an eee pc
[16:08] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Ido,  if you can find one. :)
[16:08] <Daisuke-Ido> Dr_willis: newegg.
[16:08] <N6REJ> whats the bot command again?
[16:08] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Ido,  check in that eee channel about  new egg. aparently a few users had issues with newegg and their return policy.
[16:09] <jussi01> N6REJ: to do what?
[16:09] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Ido,  so buyer beware. :)
[16:09] <Dr_willis> I think it was newegg...
[16:09] <N6REJ> used to be a command to tell  people about the help files.
[16:09] <N6REJ> like
[16:09] <N6REJ> ! tell N6REJ about sound
[16:09] <N6REJ> etc
[16:09] <jussi01> !test | N6REJ
[16:09] <ubotu> N6REJ: Failed.
[16:09] <N6REJ> lol thats it
[16:09] <N6REJ> ty
[16:10] <jussi01> !sound
[16:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:10] <Daisuke-Ido> i'm willing to take a chance, been buying from newegg for... 4 years now?  and never had a problem.
[16:10] <jussi01> !bot > N6REJ
[16:10] <N6REJ> thanks guys
[16:10] <N6REJ> its been a year since I touched linux
[16:10] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Ido,  may of been an idiot employee on the phone to the customer for that guy. but thats how bad reputations start I guess. :)
[16:10] <flaccid> N6REJ: can test speaker/alsa with speaker-test -Dplug:front -c2
[16:10] <N6REJ> and I'm braindead today
[16:11] <N6REJ> oh cool
[16:11] <N6REJ> let me try that
[16:11] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Ido,  i been hanging in the #eeepc channel lately
[16:11] <N6REJ> maybe its just xmms that is foobar
[16:11] <carnage> does anyone now if the next relese of Kubuntu will include compiz by default?
[16:11] <mauri>  where are stored the informations built by "System Setting >Notification>Storage Media notification?
[16:11] <flaccid> possibly you can also test with aplay
[16:11] <Dr_willis> carnage,  kde4 i hear will make compiz not needed.
[16:11] <Dr_willis> not needed for kde at least. :)
[16:11] <carnage> where can i get more info?
[16:12] <N6REJ> says resource busy
[16:12] <flaccid> there is a web page on it somewhere
[16:12] <carnage> on kde?
[16:12] <carnage> but there's no info releated to compiz
[16:12] <flaccid> N6REJ: hmm something is locking it or something. lots of possibilities try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart after closing other sound apps
[16:12] <jpatrick> Kubuntu Tutorials Bug Triage guide is now availble for download see: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/
[16:12] <N6REJ> ok change it to c4
[16:13] <flaccid> thanks jpatrick
[16:13] <carnage>  hardy will include  kde4 ?
[16:13] <N6REJ> and only one channel plays
[16:13] <jpatrick> carnage: yep
[16:14] <flaccid> N6REJ: double check the balance and other settings/levels in alsamixer and kmix. quite weird if it works in wondows
[16:14] <N6REJ> flaccid: yeah I know
[16:14] <flaccid> try the ghost again
[16:14] <N6REJ> flaccid: i've never had this kind of problem b4
[16:14] <N6REJ> ghost?
[16:15] <TFrog> has anyone here compiled from svn kvirc 3.2.6?
[16:16] <flaccid> N6REJ: sorry bad joke.
[16:16] <N6REJ> lol kk
[16:17] <blackflag> can I do RAID 10 with lvm? can not find information to do RAID 10
[16:21] <N6REJ> got it
[16:21] <N6REJ> had to add the alsa mixer and adjust it
[16:22] <N6REJ> *now enjoying carman's sunday school rock
[16:23] <mauri>  where are stored the informations built by "System Setting >Notification>Storage Media notification?
[16:23] <flaccid> ok cool N6REJ
[16:23] <flaccid> mauri: probably best to try another day or post to the kde mailing list
[16:24] <limac> hey, in kate, i'm trying to do a c++ program, and for that i need kate to display the number of each line
[16:24] <mauri> flaccid: do yuo thinkd that is not too symple
[16:25] <ze_> i have a problem: i was burning a dvd, and now the program k3b doesn't work! can some one help me here? thank you... :)
[16:25] <GrahamA> Hey people, I've got an issue with my Linux drive, the partition won't mount... grub is giving me error 17 and when trying to moutn it I get error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1" despite the fact it IS ext3... may the drive me corrupt and hopefully recoverable?
[16:26] <ze_> k3b is at 50% and i guess it stoped. i don't know if i'm really burning the dvd, or if anything is bloqued
[16:26] <flaccid> mauri: or you could ask a question about it on lauchpad. it may be simple, but they cited a problem with hal and also the advised file that its meant to be in 3.5.5 does not exist on both our systems. maybe its dif in kubuntu
[16:27] <ze_> can some one help me? what is the command line to see processes running, whyt CPU usage?
[16:27] <flaccid> ze_: top
[16:27] <Schuenemann> ze_, ps
[16:28] <flaccid> limac: press f11 in kate
[16:28] <limac> flaccid: thx dude!  I tried sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list but I'm not allowed to save. Can someone help me?
[16:30] <flaccid> don't need vim really
[16:30] <Schuenemann> camilla, kdesu /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:30] <Schuenemann> oops
[16:30] <Schuenemann> camilla, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:30] <flaccid> im on a desktop operating system with X11 :)
[16:31] <camilla> ahh dont bother I've fixed it Thanx anyway
[16:31] <Schuenemann> camilla, you can get skype from the website, I did it that way
[16:31] <camilla> I pu kate before sudo
[16:31] <flaccid> camilla: best to use kdesu kate
[16:31] <Schuenemann> camilla, sudo is just for the terminal, for X you need kdesu
[16:32] <flaccid> i hear kdesu is the same as kdesudo is that true
[16:32] <jpatrick> flaccid: they're the same
[16:32] <Schuenemann> there is no kdesudo
[16:33] <jpatrick> flaccid: kdesu is a link to kdesudo
[16:33] <flaccid> ok then cool
[16:33] <jpatrick> Schuenemann: there is ;)
[16:33] <camilla> But I manage to make it work :-)
[16:33] <Schuenemann> jpatrick, where? not in my PATH, at least
[16:33]  * flaccid does a ls -l `which kdesu`
[16:33] <jpatrick> !info kdesudo | Schuenemann
[16:33] <ubotu> schuenemann: kdesudo: sudo frontend for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-0ubuntu2.2 (gutsy), package size 27 kB, installed size 156 kB
[16:33] <flaccid> dang
[16:34] <Schuenemann> jpatrick, only for gutsy?
[16:34] <Schuenemann> I'm still with feisty
[16:34] <jpatrick> ah, that explains it
[16:34] <flaccid> i should always reference kdesudo because there is no real thing as kdesu
[16:35] <jpatrick> there was
[16:35] <flaccid> oh was there
[16:35] <flaccid> when did that die
[16:35] <flaccid> did kdesudo replace it and they symlinked it?
[16:35] <jpatrick> flaccid: replace and syslin
[16:35] <Schuenemann> seems so
[16:36] <flaccid> syslin is hectic
[16:36] <camilla> schuenemann Witch file shoud I chose? I have Kubuntu
[16:36] <flaccid> ah well thats cool. lots of doco to update heh
[16:36] <Schuenemann> camilla, let me see which I got
[16:36] <Schuenemann> skype-<IP_ADDRESS>.deb
[16:36] <camilla> Thx
[16:36] <Schuenemann> I don't know if there is a newer one
[16:37] <jpatrick> flaccid: change is the only constant
[16:37] <mauri> flaccid: it's not a ig problems but I was interesting to solve it.......
[16:37] <flaccid> yeah its just accurate meta of the command
[16:37] <basy> Hi whitch packages are base fo ALSA drivers?
[16:37] <flaccid> mauri: yep
[16:38] <flaccid> basy: alsa-base and alsa-utils plus sometimes some libs iirc
[16:38] <camilla> The string I wanted to past into Apt is  "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free"
[16:38] <camilla> That shoud be the latest?

 thanks
[16:39] <flaccid> !skype | camilla
[16:39] <ubotu> camilla: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[16:39] <flaccid> np basy
[16:39] <Schuenemann> camilla, doesn't apt-cache search skype founds one?
[16:39] <mauri> flaccid: How long are you using linux (kubuntu)
[16:39] <Schuenemann> find*
[16:39] <flaccid> mauri: um a few years i think now
[16:39] <camilla> Nope
[16:39] <Schuenemann> hmmm it does for me
[16:40] <flaccid> camilla: whats the actual problem
[16:40] <camilla> No probl now :-)
[16:40] <flaccid> ah ok coolio
[16:40] <Schuenemann> camilla, I dont have that repo and I see it here
[16:41] <flaccid> medibuntu repos is the best method really
[16:41] <camilla> That is the guide I'm using. I just missed the "deb" in the beginning and Apt crashed. That was what I neded help with but it is ok now. Apt is working
[16:41] <Schuenemann> I downloaded the .deb from somewhere
[16:42] <flaccid> sweet as
[16:42] <Schuenemann> what happened to getdeb.com ?
[16:42] <camilla> ok thanks all. I'll probably come back
[16:42] <mauri> flaccid: I hope that in the next future it will be possible to use only linux instead win
[16:43] <Schuenemann> mauri, it is already possible
[16:43] <flaccid> mauri: its possible but it depends what you use the computer for and what you use on the computer and hardware
[16:43] <demon_spork> yes, very possible
[16:43] <flaccid> not if you need ableton live
[16:43] <flaccid> and you are a dj/musician
[16:43] <Schuenemann> it is for most people
[16:44] <Schuenemann> specially very noob users who don't know how to install a program
[16:44] <flaccid> or you are in an office and they use office 2008 doc format and openoffice doesn't cut it at all
[16:44] <flaccid> there are many situations where windows or mac os is needed specifically
[16:44] <Schuenemann> there is no need to use office
[16:44] <flaccid> yes there is
[16:44] <Schuenemann> where?
[16:45] <flaccid> the reverse engineered closed format does not display the doc the same as in ms office
[16:45] <Schuenemann> who needs doc? That's what I wanted to ask
[16:45] <flaccid> someone emails a doc to a colleage or from 3rd party and you can't read it or render it correctly
[16:45] <flaccid> Schuenemann: nobody needs it, but the reality is that its the de facto standard
[16:45] <Dr_willis> Demand a PDF. :)
[16:45] <mauri> flaccid: I know that linux is making too big jumps but the game and some applications for commercial use won't be never develop for open source
[16:45] <Schuenemann> then I reply saying: send me in a nice format, you dumba**
[16:45] <flaccid> in the real world you cannot demand a different doc format from people
[16:46] <flaccid> mauri: yeah and vendor support is the other issue
[16:46] <Dr_willis> Sure ya can.. now if you get it or not....
[16:46] <flaccid> exactly
[16:46] <Dr_willis> Of course MS has the sameissue with their older versions of office  i hear...
[16:46] <Schuenemann> I always send my stuff as odt of pdf
[16:46] <Schuenemann> NEVER doc
[16:46] <Dr_willis> but that ok.. since its ms.. :)
[16:46] <flaccid> would you ask a ceo of a multi milion dollar company to redo the $100m contract in ODF
[16:46] <velh0> ey! my father's kubuntu chashed! how can i reiniciate it whythout rebooting the machine?
[16:47] <Schuenemann> Dr_willis, yup... you always have to buy the latest office
[16:47] <flaccid> trust me in the real world, you don't have time to wait another few days for a no response to get a dif format
[16:47] <Dr_willis> I recall some 'doc' files getting sent out.. with the 'changes/history' still in them - :) that made for some amusing news.
[16:47] <Dr_willis> seems like sending out doc - could almost be considred a security issue.
[16:47] <velh0> i now something about Ctrl+Alt+F*, but i don't know the commands. can anyone help me? or give me a link to read please?
[16:47] <Schuenemann> flaccid, how about if you're the rich company and send it as odt? :-)
[16:48] <Dr_willis> velh0,  you mean the shell commands? thers 1000's of shell tutoral sites
[16:48] <flaccid> Schuenemann: thats what i do. but most companies do not.
[16:48] <Dr_willis> !bash
[16:48] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[16:48] <flaccid> thus why m$ is de facto standard and ms office has majority users
[16:48] <zeno> can cold damage a hard drive?
[16:48] <Dr_willis> zeno,  how cold. :)
[16:49] <zeno> ~10f
[16:49] <zeno> [67858.988000] usb 7-4: device descriptor read/8, error -110
[16:49] <Dr_willis> zeno,  i think bringing in the hd from the cold to a warm wet/high humidity room can have more of an effect
[16:49] <Schuenemann> flaccid, yeah... not because it's good, though
[16:49] <mauri> flaccid: for istance....I don't know if already exists for linux sameting like sims2 game
[16:49] <Dr_willis> zeno,  if you let it warm up slowly. i dont think there will be much of an issue.
[16:49] <velh0> Dr_willis: maybe i do mean that :S i'm a noobie. how can i restart a blocked kubuntu whitout rebooting the machine?
[16:49] <Schuenemann> mauri, you can try wine or cedega
[16:49] <flaccid> Schuenemann: i will send in odf or pdf and if they can't read it, i convert to a word doc for them, this is the best way to do it without pissing people off
[16:49] <zeno> Dr_willis: any ideas to fix?
[16:50] <flaccid> but recieving documents is a dif story
[16:50] <Dr_willis> velh0,   what are you trying to do exactly?  the console command 'reboot' will reboot a system.. unless its really really locked up
[16:50] <Schuenemann> flaccid, odf = odt?
[16:50] <mauri> Schuenemann: ok but it suppose to still have win
[16:50] <flaccid> yeah sorry Schuenemann thats what i mean
[16:50] <Schuenemann> mauri, no, it doesn't
[16:50] <Dr_willis> zeno,  bring it inside.. wrap it in a towle. let it warm up.
[16:50] <Dr_willis> zeno,  or was there some other problem i missed?
[16:51] <flaccid> you don't really want to issue the reboot command whilst logged in from kdm in kde
[16:51] <velh0> Dr_willis: my father's kubuntu chashed! and i what to solve the problem :S
[16:51] <mauri> Schuenemann: how you can installed sims2 for win without win?
[16:51] <Schuenemann> mauri, using wine or cedega, which MIGHT work
[16:51] <Dr_willis> velh0,  if X is locked up so badly you cant logout. you could try the hard-core 'alt-ctrl-backspace' to force X to restart.
[16:51] <flaccid> mauri: yeah the major game developers are still not doing multi-platform across to linux or even bsd :(
[16:51] <Schuenemann> flaccid, generally, you have a relationship of stronger or weaker. If you're stronger, you send in the format you want and the person opens as he/she cans. If you're weaker... :-)
[16:52] <Schuenemann> flaccid, I have to convert to .doc for my professor
[16:52] <mauri> flaccid: sorry, what bsd means