[00:00] <ajmitch> unfortunately
[00:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock will help
[00:01] <LaserJock> uh oh
[00:01] <LaserJock> I was wondering if anybody has looked at maxima?
[00:02] <Laney> persia: There we go, new iteration up there.
[00:02] <Laney> Night night
[00:03] <persia> Laney: DId you also adjust the status to something other than "Incomplete" ?
[00:03] <Laney> persia: I did
[00:03] <persia> LaserJock: tuxmaniac was in earlier looking at stuff, but I haven't seen maxima.
[00:03] <persia> Still 57 minutes left though.
[00:03]  * persia definitely needs faster builds
[00:04] <directhex> MOAR CORES!
[00:04] <Laney> Does it actually have to be sponsored by then? Can't there just be a general FF exception for bugs with this tag?
[00:04] <LaserJock> hmm
[00:04] <LaserJock> I don't think I can even build maxima in 57 minutes
[00:06]  * ajmitch certainly hasn't upgraded his box at home for awhile
[00:07] <persia> Laney: No.  This tag is to concentrate the sponsors to help meet the deadline.  It doesn't mean it's an exception.
[00:07] <persia> LaserJock: In that case, you'll need an FFe to get it in.  That's part of what's costing me cores: I'm building heaps of things in the background.
[00:12] <directhex> ch-ch-ch-ch-check it out! very last item on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[00:13] <devfil> persia: 19 items...
[00:13] <Laney> persia: I was proposing there *could* be such an exception so that you guys don't need to rush tonight. I thought that was the original intent of the tag.
[00:13] <Laney> But I'm off to bed. Night!
[00:13] <persia> devfil: Thanks for the update, but with only 47 minutes left, somehow that seems to be the wrong direction :)
[00:14] <persia> Laney: It was, and the list was about 60 items on Friday.  We always have to rush tonight.
[00:14] <devfil> persia: can I do to help you? I don't want to go to sleep right now :P
[00:14] <devfil> s/can/what can/
[00:14] <persia> devfil: Nothing really, unfortunately.  At this point, it's mostly all sponsoring that needs doing.  There's not really time for much else.
[00:15] <persia> Anyone who can build and upload, please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-universe-sponsors/+bugs?field.tag=uus-pre-ff-810&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search
[00:16] <persia> Most of them can build in the background whilst you do something else.  About half of them include fixes for bugs deemed RC in Debian.
[00:16] <devfil> persia: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/249505 this seems to not provide additional features, so we can remove the tag
[00:16] <persia> devfil: Thanks.  Please do so.
[00:19] <devfil> persia: done
[00:20] <persia> RainCT: Were you working on bug #246017 ?
[00:20] <persia> mok0: Do you have time for wxwidgets?
[00:20] <LaserJock> persia: what's the best workflow for those?
[00:21] <persia> LaserJock: Syncs need a test-build, rdepends check, and upload.
[00:21] <LaserJock> upload?
[00:21] <persia> For these, unsubscribe the team, test, and push to the archive admins (you have 39 minutes).
[00:21] <persia> Err.  No.  ACK & subscribe archive-admins
[00:21] <persia> For the merge, it's standard merge workflow.
[00:22] <LaserJock> are the syncs actually going to be processed though?
[00:22] <persia> For the new upstreams (malbolge, glom, supercollider, flashplugin-nonfree, keytouch), verify upstream, apply the diff, check the package against the current version, check rdpends, and upload.
[00:22] <devfil> persia: mok0 there is no in chan
[00:23] <persia> I very much suspect the archive admins will impose the same rule as previously: anything requested by teh deadline will be handled.
[00:23] <persia> Otherwise, we're all grumpy about the lack or archive-admins, and it gets messy (this happened once, which is why it's so important to hit the timestamp)
[00:23] <persia> devfil: Indeed, but I don't know that there isn't another nick that sends hints :)
[00:24] <persia> slangasek: If you're still about, can you confirm that anything that gets requested by the deadline will be processed when the archive-admins get around to it (for NEW and syncs)?
[00:26] <slangasek> persia: only on the grounds that I'll spend my time on this in the next 24h, yes :)
[00:26] <persia> slangasek: Thank you :)
[00:26] <persia> And actually, from my memory of previous releases, getting NEW cleared sometimes took two or three archive-admin days (as you are all busy with other things as well).
[00:27]  * persia takes supercollider
[00:28] <persia> 16 yet unclaimed.  33 minutes.  We can do this.
[00:28] <LaserJock> persia: are we assigning to ourselves?
[00:29] <slangasek> persia: NEW was cleared yesterday
[00:29] <persia> LaserJock: I always do (although I try to remember to unsubscribe the team beforehand)
[00:29] <james_w> slangasek: we filled it again :-)
[00:29] <slangasek> heh
[00:29] <persia> slangasek: Wise, that.  Means you only get our new stuff for tomorrow :)
[00:29] <devfil> slangasek: there are new packages :)
[00:29] <persia> RainCT: NCommander: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sced
[00:29]  * persia skips sced
[00:30] <LaserJock> persia: I just grabbed nanoweb and kaya
[00:34] <devfil> persia: ~ppa1 kills revu
[00:35] <ma10> :(
[00:35] <ma10> we're cut off form civilization
[00:36] <persia> Sorry.  Putting more in the queue means more that won't make FF, and anything not scheduled for FF isn't likely to get any attention now.
[00:36] <persia> You can always go fix bugs, but you'll have to wait to get sponsored.
[00:36] <james_w> I'm almost ready to say that I think the 3 are ready to do
[00:36] <NCommander> Plenty of time to work on backports
[00:36]  * persia notices supercollider was removed from hardy for being pointlessly buggy, and decides not to put it back without a proper review.
[00:38] <directhex> NCommander, [00:12] <directhex> ch-ch-ch-ch-check it out! very last item on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[00:39] <NCommander> Nice work directhex
[00:39] <NCommander> now if only someone would sponsor codeblocks for me
[00:39]  * RAOF notes that when trying to preserve a file across dh_clean calls it's important that it doesn't have the suffix ".orig"
[00:39] <NCommander> Well, I should have a bunch of free DDs in half an hour
[00:39] <directhex> NCommander, turns out my sponsor was getting svn-buildpackage syntax wrong
[00:40] <directhex> NCommander, all i need is for NEW to take less than 20 minutes, for a sync in intrepid! :p
[00:40] <persia> directhex: That's exceedingly unlikely.
[00:40] <NCommander> Well, it could wait a few months
[00:40] <NCommander> my pangomm package is still stuck in the NEW queue
[00:40] <RAOF> Take that, build-twice-in-a-row bug!
[00:41] <directhex> yeah, but nobody likes pango. this is visual basic we're talking about! who can say no?
[00:41] <persia> RAOF: Can I pull you away from deep bug fixing for 19 minutes?  We've only 13 bugs left to sponsor.
[00:41] <directhex> RAOF, i had an infuriating one of those for monodoc. spent literally hours on it. was unpatching before cleaning. oops.
[00:41] <RAOF> persia: This bug fixing is also for FF.
[00:41] <persia> RAOF: Awww...
[00:41] <RAOF> persia: This is gnome-do-plugins 0.6, which I'd quite like in :)
[00:42] <persia> superm1: What do you have planned for the next 18 mintues?  Time to help out with the queue?
[00:42] <superm1> persia, is the freeze defined that hard down to 18 minutes? :)
[00:42] <persia> bddebian!  We need you.  We've only a few bugs left in https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-universe-sponsors/+bugs?field.tag=uus-pre-ff-810&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search and only 18 minutes to get them uploads.
[00:42] <persia> superm1: Yep.
[00:42] <superm1> persia, i can in a few minutes sure
[00:43] <persia> superm1: Great.  we've only 14 left, but there's not much time.
[00:43] <superm1> UUS queue?
[00:43] <bddebian> persia: Bah, I'm useless anymore
[00:43] <LaserJock> persia: glom is Fix Released for Intrepid (has open Hardy task) shall I remove the tag?
[00:43] <persia> bddebian: I know you.  You can sponsor stuff like nobody else.
[00:43] <bddebian> heh
[00:43] <persia> LaserJock: Please.
[00:43] <persia> SRUs are clearly not FF stuff.
[00:44] <persia> An even dozen left.  Who likes Flash?  Should we use Flash 10?  Now's your chance to make it work!
[00:44] <devfil> persia: I don't like that SRU in general...
[00:44] <persia> Also, there's a nice upstream bugfix release of WX there.
[00:45] <persia> devfil: Comment in the bug.  For the next 15 minutes, I'm *only* interested in FF stuff.
[00:45]  * james_w curses as testing *neur has left him in a character set he doesn't recognise in his terminal
[00:45] <bddebian> It's freakin' feature freeze already?
[00:45] <directhex> last time i tried flash 10 it was slow as molasses
[00:46] <directhex> compared to 9, anyway
[00:47] <persia> bddebian: In 13 minutes.  That's why I'm looking for all the sponsors I can find to hit the last bugs.
[00:47] <superm1> okay i'll take this merge one
[00:47] <superm1> for gxneur
[00:48] <bddebian> Shite, I don't even think I have a working Intrepid pbuilder at the moment :(
[00:48] <persia> superm1: If you're daring gxneur, perhaps you'll also take the rest of *neur?
[00:48] <persia> (xneur, kxneur)
[00:48] <joh> Hi, are there any way to receive email notifications on new comments to my REVU packages?
[00:48] <superm1> i can't commit that far, i'm multitasking on some other stuff right now
[00:48] <persia> joh: Subscribe to the REVU email list, but you get *all* revu comments.
[00:49] <james_w> superm1: gxneur says it requires xneur to go though
[00:49] <superm1> gar.
[00:49] <LaserJock> taking libcairo-ruby
[00:49] <joh> persia: *shrug* I guess I can filter mine out. Thanks.
[00:49] <persia> Down to 11!  With 11 minutes to go.
[00:50] <devfil> 1 for minutes
[00:50] <devfil> s/s/
[00:50] <devfil> /
[00:51] <superm1> persia, sorry i dont think i'll be able to do any of these within 11 minutes, my sbuild can't exactly pull these packages fast over 3G/bluetooth internet
[00:51] <persia> bddebian: Does the updated lordsawar beat all previous versions without question on all fronts?
[00:51] <persia> superm1: I understand.  Thanks for trying.  Anything you're feeling confident about in that timeframe would be great.  Anything else can apply for FFe.
[00:51] <james_w> ok, *neur build, install, start tested
[00:51] <directhex> bedtime.
[00:52] <james_w> comments in the respective bugs
[00:52] <persia> superm1: There's also the option of trusting james_w, if you're in a trusting mood.
[00:52] <bddebian> persia: Quite a few bugfixes
[00:52] <persia> bddebian: OK.  Pushing a sync request then.
[00:52] <superm1> i'm not much of a trusty kind of person with people that i've never even chatted with...
[00:53] <bddebian> persia: Of course it probably has 0 users anyway :)
[00:53] <james_w> superm1: that's sensible
[00:53] <persia> bddebian: It has you, which ought be enough for any upstream :)
[00:53] <superm1> james_w, if you've got build logs however?
[00:53] <bddebian> persia: Heh
[00:53] <superm1> can you upload those?  i'd be more apt to sponsor if i could see that these syncs really did build OK
[00:53] <LaserJock> persia: what a good way to check rdepends? libcairo-ruby has a few
[00:54] <joh> persia: Where might I find info about the REVU mailing list?
[00:54] <persia> LaserJock: Well, you could check for API/ABI type changes.  No idea how to do that for a Ruby library.
[00:54] <persia> joh: Used to be on REVU.  Ask NCommander where it went.
[00:55] <james_w> superm1: not complete, sorry. my scollback isn't big enough for the start of the first.
[00:55] <LaserJock> persia: that's why I dislike working on libs ;-)
[00:55] <superm1> james_w, ah okay.  if you switch to sbuild someday, it keeps logs for you :)
[00:55] <james_w> superm1: these packages should get an easy FFe I think though.
[00:55] <superm1> james_w, yeah probably
[00:56] <persia> I suspect much of this will, I just thought we'd save some people some effort.
[00:56] <james_w> superm1: I'll consider it. Also, we did have breakfast one morning, but that's not good grounds for trusting my technical knowledge :-)
[00:56] <kolby> how many of you are going to the coffee meeting thing in September?
[00:56] <superm1> james_w, yeah after i /whois'ed I recognized your name, but you understood what i meant :)
[00:56] <joh> persia: Alright, thanks.
[00:59] <joh> Anyone got time to review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=alarm-clock-applet thanks!
[01:01] <RAOF> Gah.  Out of time :)
[01:01] <james_w> is that it?
[01:02] <james_w> nice work everyone, same time next year?
[01:02]  * persia sounds the big buzzer, and thanks everyone for playing
[01:02] <RAOF> Oh, well.  I'll push Do through Debian and then file a FFe for the sync instead. :/
[01:02] <kolby> joh:  I'm installing it right now
[01:02] <kolby> joh: do you have a homepage for it?
[01:03] <joh> kolby: Great, thanks. Yes I do: http://alarm-clock.pseudoberries.com/
[01:03] <persia> james_w: Nah: we'll do this again in mid-February.
[01:03] <james_w> Dear motu-release, I would appreciate an email outlining procedures, expectations, and limitations for the freeze, would someone be able to do that?
[01:03] <persia> james_w: Sending a request to the ML for that would likely be better.  That said, there are docs on Feature Freeze exceptions on the wiki.
[01:04] <james_w> persia: yeah, but "same time in six months" just isn't as snappy. I'm lobbying to get the release schedule changed to make my jokes work better.
[01:04] <persia> It's mostly a matter of filing a bug, justifying the changes, including the diff for review, and subscribing motu-release.
[01:05] <joh> I guess my package just missed the deadline :P
[01:05] <persia> james_w: I see.  Count me in the opposition: I really don't want to see more than 15 weeks between archive open and feature freeze: it's just too much to try to clean up after.
[01:05] <persia> joh: For intrepid, yes.
[01:05]  * persia sends apologies to the remaining 11 unsponsored bugs.
[01:05]  * joh blames non-existant REVU email notifications
[01:05] <james_w> persia: yeah, I should do that. There's a lot of new people, and I seem to remember there being a discussion six months ago where someone said "we should have explained our expectations, and how we would judge the requests better". I think a mail is a good idea.
[01:06] <persia> joh: Well, actually, better to blame the fact that we had only one REVU day all cycle.  We usually have 10-15, so this cycle almost nothing got in.
[01:06] <kolby> joh:  If this is the same alarm clock applet I'm thinking of.  Then it's very good.  Got me to work on time.
[01:08] <joh> persia: Ah, well I was late with my reply as well :-(
[01:08] <joh> kolby: Might be ;-) Does it look like the screenshots from the website?
[01:09] <persia> joh: There's always next cycle.  The REVU Coordinator for intrepid+1 has already started planning, and we can expect it to be very dynamic.
[01:09] <persia> Release is only two months away, after which it's a free-for-all for REVU and the like.
[01:09] <joh> persia: Yeah, I've got PPA packages anyways so it's not that big of a deal :-) Would be cool to have it in universe though!
[01:10] <NCommander> joh, where what went?
[01:10] <joh> NCommander: Information on the REVU mailing list.
[01:10] <NCommander> thats been broken sinec before I became an admin
[01:10] <NCommander> Its a mailer issue
[01:11] <joh> Aw... Would be very nice with email notifications in REVU. Where do I file the feature request? ;)
[01:12] <NCommander> Talk to sistpoty on #ubuntuwire, he's the sysadmin
[01:12] <joh> Ah, already there - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/global-subscription
[01:12] <NCommander> Launchpad #145267
[01:13] <ScottK> Oh dear lord no.
[01:15] <NCommander> ScottK, ?
[01:15] <NCommander> *only did that so I could find that bug*
[01:15] <ScottK> Gems in the path.  Argh.
[01:15] <NCommander> But as I read it
[01:15] <NCommander> ARGH
[01:15]  * ScottK files bug.
[01:15] <NCommander> For the love of stupid
[01:15] <NCommander> CPAN drops in the path, but removing that from Perl would close to impossible
[01:15] <NCommander> ScottK, see the message on the list "How not to work with upstream"
[01:16] <ScottK> Yeah.
[01:16] <joh> Oh well, nice work everyone, I'm off. Nite!
[01:18] <ScottK> Bug 262063
[01:18] <LaserRock> lol
[01:23] <NCommander> Does Soyuz support UNACCEPT?
[01:26] <devfil_2> persia: ok
[01:27] <superm1> TheMuso, i just used update-maintainer, and that was the result.  is that behavior changed in the intrepid release of devscripts?
[01:28] <LaserRock> yep
[01:28] <superm1> we should backport it then
[01:32] <NCommander> ScottK, I think this bug rates Critical since it also greatly violates the Debain FHS
[01:32] <NCommander> And it could easily hose someones system if installed
[01:32] <TheMuso> superm1: yeah its been changed.
[01:32] <NCommander> (it installs symlinks into /usr/local)
[22:27] <ScottK> superm1: Who was the sponsor?
[22:27] <superm1> ScottK, how can I find out?
[22:28] <ScottK> Grab the .dsc file from the source package, run gpg --verify on it.
[22:28] <ScottK> That'll give you the key ID.
[22:28] <ScottK> You can usually search in LP or on the Ubuntu key server for that.
[22:29] <superm1> well that can't be right.  it says christian marrilat.  which means that it was a sync then
[22:29] <superm1> and yeah the dist is unstable, so nullack requested the sync i suppose
[22:29] <superm1> lets see who ack'ed it
[22:31] <ScottK> superm1: I'm less interested in knowing who it is than that they get feedback on the issue to the mistake isn't repeated.
[22:31] <superm1> okay looks like LucidFox was the one who ack'ed.
[22:32] <superm1> yeah exactly
[22:32] <wgrant> An awful lot of packages FTBFSed because of that, but I forget to fix it and complain.
[22:32] <wgrant> Damn uni.
[22:32] <ScottK> Well we know who's job it is to complain then.
[22:32] <ScottK> err complain/fix it
[22:32] <superm1> well i've already fixed 3 packages that got hit by it in the last day
[22:32] <superm1> i'm not sure how many are left
[22:33] <NCommander> wgrant & superm1: If you can point me to the break list, I can help with the transition
[22:34] <superm1> NCommander, well basically look at the rdepends on liblame0
[22:34] <superm1> anything on that that hasn't been rebuilt yet
[22:34] <NCommander> Oh that's pretty
[22:34] <superm1> i'm not sure what has or hasn't; that's what transition bugs are for, to look at the list and keep track of it :)
[22:35] <superm1> NCommander, well if lucidfox comes around soon, be sure to split up work his way.  i'm not sure it's worth making a transition bug at this point, but at least to finish off what's left
[22:36] <RainCT> ScottK: May I /msg you?
[22:36] <ScottK> Sure
[22:50] <Laney> Hmm, I'll handle some of these lame rebuilds
[22:50]  * Laney facepalms
[22:51] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41369/
[22:55] <NCommander> lol at Laney
[22:55] <Laney> :)
[22:56] <NCommander> Launchpad needs a binary rebuild function ala Debian
[22:57]  * Laney titters
[22:58] <NCommander> woo, backport queue grows smaller and smaller
[23:03] <superm1> binary rebuild wouldn't solve this transition problem
[23:03] <superm1> you still need to modify build-depends on all these
[23:03] <NCommander> oh d'oh
[23:03] <NCommander> the dev package's name changed?
[23:05] <superm1> yup
[23:05] <Laney> Yep, that was the facepalming
[23:05] <Laney> I'll do a transition bug if you want to coordinate on it
[23:08] <ScottK> You're going to need a transitional package anyway for upgrades, so why not add the old package names back for transition, then you just HAVE to do rebuilds.
[23:09] <Laney> ScottK: There's a Conflicts/Replaces set. Is that enough?
[23:09] <superm1> i've wondered about this, why *do* you need transitional packages on upgrades?  how come the new dependencies aren't just sorted out?
[23:10] <ScottK> I'm far to tired to remember right now, but I think not.
[23:11] <Laney> I've no experience with this beyond doing simple rebuilds, so education much appreciated
[23:11] <RAOF> Conflicts/Replaces doesn't quite work on dist-upgrades, for reasons which escape my mind for the moment.
[23:12] <Laney> So what needs to be done besides adjusting the build-deps of liblame0's rdepends?
[23:12] <superm1> was someone spreading word about it not working many years ago without explanation perhaps, and now it's just regular practice?  a'la all those access points you find in airports called "Free Public Wifi"
[23:12] <superm1> which are of course really just adhoc networks broadcast from laptops due to a windows bug
[23:14] <RAOF> superm1: I can hunt down a bug filed agains Miro by... pitti?  For a real transitional package to fix upgrades if you like.
[23:15] <superm1> RAOF, actually it would be a good educational tool if you could see it
[23:17] <RAOF> superm1: Hm.  It was pitti, but he just said "Miro needs to provide a real transitional package".
[23:17] <ScottK> slangasek explained it to me once and it made sense.  As I said, I'm too tired to recall.
[23:19] <slangasek> normally, you want transitional packages for those packages that a user will have installed directly (i.e., nothing above it in the dependency graph)
[23:19] <superm1> so in the case of a library that came in from dependencies, you don't need such things?
[23:19] <slangasek> so not for -data or -common or lib$foo
[23:20] <slangasek> superm1: is there a package name I should be grepping for in scrollback?
[23:20] <superm1> slangasek, well liblame-dev was renamed libmp3lame-dev
[23:20] <superm1> and the person forgot to tell everyone who build-depended on liblame-dev to rebuild against the new package
[23:20] <slangasek> heh
[23:21] <slangasek> oh, hey lookie, libmp3lame-dev snuck into universe on hppa+sparc
[23:21]  * slangasek shunt
[23:22] <Laney> slangasek: So all we need to do is adjust the b-ds?
[23:23] <slangasek> superm1: so for build-depends, /if/ the best procedure is to provide a transition rather than just forcing the reverse-deps to rebuild all at once (and I'm always a fan of gradual transitions for such things), you have to take into consideration whether anything has a versioned build-dep
[23:23] <slangasek> since if there's a virtual build-dep, you have to use a real transitional package, due to lack of support for versioned Provides:
[23:23] <superm1> ah
[23:23] <slangasek> Laney: how many packages are we talking about?
[23:23] <superm1> Laney, so what i'm doing on the packages i've touched is making them b-d on libmp3lame-dev | liblame-dev so that everything is still backportable
[23:24] <Laney> slangasek: Approximately 12
[23:24] <Laney> superm1: Right, makes sense
[23:26] <slangasek> Laney: yeah, I don't have a strong opinion then; I guess none of these packages are from Debian since Debian doesn't have lame, so it's not like there's going to be a big package delta to maintain as a result of touching the packages
[23:26] <NCommander> slangasek, I thought Debian has lame in non-free
[23:27] <slangasek> no, there are patent encumberance issues
[23:27]  * Laney nods
[23:27] <Laney> superm1: Which ones are you going to do, then?
[23:27] <NCommander> oh
[23:27] <NCommander> Ok
[23:28]  * NCommander continues to cut the backport NEW queue down to size
[23:28] <verwilst> hm, i have a zabbix-proxy.init in my debian/ dir
[23:28] <verwilst> and a dh_installinit -p $(PKG_PROXY_MYSQL) --name zabbix-proxy in my debian/rules
[23:28] <verwilst> it should install the init file then, no?
[23:29] <LaserJock> any motu-release about?
[23:29] <Laney> NCommander: My inbox exploded due to your triaging today ;)
[23:29] <Laney> good work!
[23:30] <NCommander> Laney, I haven't started on dapper or gutsy yet
[23:30] <NCommander> (I'm not going to bother with feisty, its leaving support in a month, then I'm simply going to close every bug)
[23:30] <Laney> Surely the project will just be deleted?
[23:30] <NCommander> Nope
[23:30] <NCommander> Not if backports horay or warty are any indication.
[23:31] <NCommander> or edgy
[23:31] <superm1> Laney, i did mythtv,mythplugins, and transcode so far
[23:31] <slangasek> NCommander: hmm?  by 'NEW' queue, do you mean something other than the binary/source NEW queue in LP?
[23:31] <Laney> He means bugs int he "New" status
[23:31] <slangasek> ah
[23:31] <NCommander> the backports queue to make sure things can actually be backported before we point you at it ;-)
[23:32] <Laney> superm1: OK, I'm just building mplayer atm
[23:32] <NCommander> Laney, I recommend you add a rule to move all my emails to the trash, I already cut the que down to 47% NEW, so there is a lot more work to be done
[23:32] <superm1> Laney, okay
[23:32] <NCommander> (it was 82% new yesterday)
[23:32] <superm1> Laney, was VLC on the list of rdepends?
[23:32] <Laney> superm1: No
[23:33] <Laney> Oh, mplayer FTBFS
[23:36] <NCommander> Laney, looking at the list of people who are ubuntu backports, I'm probably going to be flooding the inbox of a few core-devs :-P
[23:36] <jhalstead> is their a place I can go to get a package created?  Their is a walkthrough, that works well, that installs my printer.  But I've never been able to create a working package to reproduce the results.
[23:36] <Laney> NCommander: At least they'll recognise your name when you come to apply for things
[23:36] <Laney> ;)
[23:37] <NCommander> Yeah
[23:37] <NCommander> "Application for MOTU rejected"
[23:37] <NCommander> "Sends too many emails cited as reason"
[23:38] <LaserJock> NCommander: I imagine most of them are used to a lot of  mail, as long as it's useful mail I expect they won't mind ;-)
[23:38] <Laney> "Make this man an archive admin right away"
[23:38] <NCommander> LaserJock, my inbox says I've caused over 100 new messages
[23:38] <NCommander> That may be a little excessive
[23:38] <NCommander> Laney, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports - that looks much better considering what it used to look like
[23:38] <Laney> I saw, it doe
[23:38] <Laney> s
[23:38] <LaserJock> NCommander: I *used* to get ~ 1000 bugmails a day
[23:39] <NCommander> Laney, want to help with dapper backfixes ;-)?
[23:39] <Laney> NCommander: I'll have a look next week, busy between now and then (except for tomorrow night)
[23:40] <NCommander> Well, doing dapper ones is a hell of a lot more incompletes
[23:40] <Laney> I bet
[23:40] <Laney> Oh ffs, nothing wants to build
[23:40]  * NCommander has done dapper security fixs
[23:41]  * Laney stamps his feet
[23:41] <NCommander> Laney, what's the bug?
[23:41] <Laney> NCommander: Doing rebuilds for this lame thing, both of the ones I've tried have failed now
[23:41] <Laney> mplayer and mpeg4ip
[23:43] <Laney> mpeg4ip one looks solvable, but I don't know about mplayer
[23:45] <NCommander> Laney, FTBFS logs?
[23:45] <Laney> NCommander: If you like, one sec
[23:46] <NCommander> wooo, backports down to 40% new (34 in the queue)
[23:47] <Laney> NCommander: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/laney-mplayer_1.0~rc2-0ubuntu14-amd64-20080828-2328
[23:47] <Laney> brb, shower
[23:48] <superm1> disable ivtv ao and vo i say
[23:49] <superm1> unless you want to hunt down the cause of that
[23:49] <superm1> possibly missing headers etc
[23:49] <superm1> ivtv vo is  very rarely used these days
[23:49] <NCommander> ivtv?
[23:49] <NCommander> What is that?
[23:50] <LaserJock> in-vitro TV? ;-)
[23:50] <slangasek> why would ivtv vo be seldom used
[23:50] <slangasek> ?
[23:51] <slangasek> LaserJock, NCommander: driver for the Hauppauge PVR-350, for one
[23:51] <NCommander> Oh, I used to have one of those
[23:51]  * slangasek idly wonders whether recent X would do autoconfiguration magic on his PVR-350
[23:56]  * NCommander keeps the backports queue low
[23:56] <NCommander> weee
[23:57] <superm1> slangasek, because it can't play mp4 files nicely
[23:58] <slangasek> hmm, ok :)
[23:58] <superm1> slangasek, and it's picky in the resolution of mp2 that it will play nice
[23:58]  * NCommander has never seen an MP2 file in the wild
[23:59] <superm1> well DVDs are all mpeg2
[23:59] <superm1> and most files that are recorded from hauppauge pvr-xx are mpeg2
[23:59] <superm1> as is everything you get over firewire from your cable company
[23:59] <superm1> or anything broadcast atsc in the US
[23:59] <RAOF> It wants DVD standard mpeg2?  There are a lot of ways to make DVD-incompatible mpeg2 streams :)


[12:33] <ricotz> tseliot, hi :)
[12:33] <ricotz> tseliot, are you going to upload 430.64?
[12:51] <tseliot> ricotz, hi, I noticed (and uploaded) 440.44, and I am going to SRU that to bionic and eoan, as per LP: #1854485
[12:55] <ricotz> tseliot, I see, so 440 will replace 430 in bionic and eoan too? your 440 backport packages doesn't indicated that yet
[13:00] <tseliot> ricotz, yes. If you're referring to the PPA, the packages there usually don't include transitional packages
[13:02] <ricotz> tseliot, ack, thanks
[14:43] <ricotz> tseliot, could you put libvdpau 1.3-1 on you list?


[12:01] <ogra> woah...
[12:01] <ajmitch> ogra: ?
[12:02] <ogra> ajmitch, seen the blog ?
[12:02] <ajmitch> it's Just Another Rant :)
[12:02] <ogra> yeah, but mostly he is true
[12:02] <ajmitch> sure
[12:05] <Unfrgiven> back
[12:09] <tseng> Unfrgiven: anything on devdocs?
[12:09] <tseng> Unfrgiven: still planning to take up the lead on that front?
[12:09] <Unfrgiven> tseng: ive got a start on them
[12:09] <tseng> awesome :)
[12:09] <Unfrgiven> tseng: and yes still planning to lead them
[12:10] <tseng> very cool, thanks for picking that up
[12:10] <Unfrgiven> tseng: im hoping to have a first draft sooinsh....
[12:10] <Unfrgiven> tseng: my pleasure :)
[12:10] <tseng> wow, great
[12:11] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: congrats to you to for becoming an uploader for main!
[12:12] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: just read the mail :)
[12:12] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: merci beaucoup :-)
[12:12] <Unfrgiven> oooh and \sh.... well done... uploader for universe... rocking!
[12:13] <Unfrgiven> tseng: im still looking for a simple package as a worked example... we had decided on using tomboy at UDU but its gotten more complicated since then... know of any really simple pacakges?
[12:14] <tseng> oh right with the uuencode business
[12:14] <dholbach> does anybody know the state of the hello packages?
[12:14] <tseng> sorry we have to do that.
[12:14] <tseng> copyrights and all
[12:14] <tseng> whiprush suggested leafpad
[12:14] <tseng> a simple gtk+ text editor
[12:14] <\sh> Unfrgiven: thx :)
[12:15] <tseng> any other very simple gnome cdbs package suggestions would be appreciated, guys
[12:15] <tseng> maybe dholbach's timer applet?
[12:15] <tseng> ive not looked at it
[12:15] <Unfrgiven> tseng: well ive got a package that i uploaded to universe which i could use as well... but ill give leafpad a look first
[12:16] <tseng> using yours could be good
[12:16] <dholbach> tseng: it's very simple
[12:17] <tseng> ok so, Unfrgiven's package, leafpad, timer-applet
[12:17] <tseng> all good samples to start with
[12:17] <tseng> it might be good to start with going over debian/ for one
[12:17] <tseng> and packaging a different one?
[12:17] <tseng> so there are 3 to choose from
[12:17] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yep cool.
[12:18] <tseng> rock!
[12:18] <Unfrgiven> tseng: the idea is to have an example that grabs a tarball from source and builds the package from scratch
[12:18] <tseng> yep exactly
[12:18] <Unfrgiven> so readers can actually partake rather than just read
[12:18] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: great, I can't wait to see your work :)
[12:19] <Unfrgiven> \sh: perhaps we could add a kde example as well for the kubuntu people :)
[12:19] <tseng> sounds like you have the same idea as me then
[12:19] <tseng> or I just beat the spec into your head :P
[12:19] <Unfrgiven> \sh: we can add that a bit later
[12:19] <Unfrgiven> tseng: a bit of both :)
[12:19] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u r working on the Ubuntu Dev Book right?
[12:19] <tseng> \sh: this is like Chapter 1
[12:19] <tseng> "i know nothing about packages, where do I start"
[12:19] <\sh> well, I got a mail this morning from a guy, who was working up my howto
[12:20] <Unfrgiven> \sh: Intro Developer Docs.... very intro level... kinda like a debian new maintainers for dummies
[12:20] <\sh> and I want to get it done later this month...but this is really hard stuff ...
[12:20] <Unfrgiven> \sh: oh... which how to is this?
[12:20] <\sh> Unfrgiven: check wiki/StephanHermann second one on the bottom of the page: HowToCreateblabla
[12:21] <\sh> but i took a really nasty example
[12:21] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[12:22] <\sh> it depends on two packages...which I want to include in breezy
[12:22] <\sh> one is nasty the other easy and straight forward
[12:23] <Unfrgiven> \sh: dude i like the amount of detail you have in there... i shall borrow bits and pieces :)
[12:23] <\sh> Unfrgiven: feel free to take everything :)
[12:23] <siretart> gn8
[12:23] <\sh> Unfrgiven: it was the result of at least 20 hours of working out debian new maintainer and apt-get source ;)
[12:23] <ajmitch> good night siretart
[12:23] <\sh> cu siretart :)
[12:24] <ogra> ciao siretart
[12:24] <dholbach> bye siretart
[12:24] <Unfrgiven> siretart: gnite
[12:24] <ajmitch> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule <-- some concrete dates to work towards :)
[12:24] <siretart> :) *yahn*
[12:24] <ajmitch> 6 weeks until UVF
[12:25] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: does that include docs?
[12:25] <tseng> hm i need to get permission to track mono stuff after UVF
[12:26] <ogra> Unfrgiven, nope
[12:26] <ogra> Unfrgiven, see "sep 8"
[12:26] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: UVF being package versions - so no auto-syncs after UVF
[12:26] <ivoks> \sh: nice work man
[12:26] <ivoks> \sh: on howtobuilddebian....
[12:27] <ajmitch> ogra: do you know if the dates are different for universe?
[12:27] <\sh> ivoks: far from complete
[12:27] <tseng> ajmitch: MOM stops for everyone
[12:27] <ivoks> but great
[12:27] <ogra> ajmitch, the dates for universe are open as they were for hoary
[12:27] <tseng> but you are free to upload manually to universe
[12:27] <ogra> yep
[12:27] <Unfrgiven> tseng: MOM?
[12:27] <ogra> we upload till the last minute, like we did for hoary
[12:27] <tseng> which is really perfect
[12:28] <ogra> Unfrgiven, merge o matic
[12:28] <tseng> Unfrgiven: Merge-o-Matic
[12:28] <ajmitch> tseng: yes, there was talk of it continuing for universe after UVF
[12:28] <tseng> ajmitch: i wouldnt like that
[12:28] <Unfrgiven> tseng: ah right... i was wondering what your mother had to do with all this :P
[12:28] <tseng> you get a chance to fix bugs and finish merging if its frozen
[12:29] <ajmitch> it things get messy when packages in universe try to sync when their build-deps are frozen
[12:30] <ogra> Unfrgiven, ivoks lurk at -meeting...
[12:30] <Unfrgiven> yep im there, thx
[12:34] <Riddell> dholbach: what's the desktop team?
[12:37] <Unfrgiven> w00t! thanks for all your support everyone
[12:37] <dholbach> Riddell: hopefully an effort soon, which will get people involved in bug/enhance/fix stuff for the deskop - since that's what most people are interested in
[12:38] <Riddell> Unfrgiven: as a IntroDeveloperDocs person do you know about https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPackagingGuide ?
[12:38] <Riddell> dholbach: ah but which desktop? :)
[12:38] <Unfrgiven> Riddell: no i didnt, but thanks for pointing it out... i'll take a look at it for sure.
[12:38] <dholbach> we need kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu, fubuntu and *ubuntu desktop teams soon :-)
[12:39] <Riddell> \sh: with any luck uniq will be soon too
[12:39] <dholbach> uniq?
[12:39] <uniq> dholbach: yes?
[12:39] <dholbach> ahhh, hi uniq
[12:40] <uniq> hi.
[12:40] <dholbach> i never read your nick before :-)
[12:40] <dholbach> *blush*
[12:40] <\sh> Riddell: we will dominate the universe ;)
[12:40] <dholbach> uniq: nevermind me :-)
[12:40] <Riddell> \sh: bwahaha
[12:40] <ajmitch> dholbach: but hubuntu isn't a desktop ;)
[12:40] <tseng> the B word?
[12:40] <dholbach> we're 19 MOTUs now?
[12:41] <tseng> hm wow!
[12:41] <tseng> we rock
[12:41] <ajmitch> dholbach: we need another 81 by release ;)
[12:41] <tseng> B WORD
[12:41] <dholbach> ajmitch: we'll manage
[12:41] <ajmitch> where?!
[12:42] <ajmitch> oh dear
[12:42] <tseng> omfg
[12:45] <ivoks> uh
[12:45] <\sh> ivoks: prepare yourself ;)
[12:45] <ivoks> :)
[12:46] <ivoks> i did what i did, i'll talk about it
[12:46] <ogra> sigh
[12:46] <ivoks> hehe
[12:46] <ivoks> if my ipw2200 doesn't die again
[12:46] <ivoks> :)
[01:02] <jbailey> ajmitch: Are we leaving you with too much spare time these days? =)
[01:02] <ajmitch> HAH!
[01:02] <ajmitch> not yet ;)
[01:02] <jbailey> Oh good.  You be sure to let me know. =)
[01:03] <ajmitch> why, do you have a small stack of things to work on? :)
[01:03] <jbailey> ajmitch: Dude, have I ever *not* had? =)
[01:04] <ajmitch> sure, before you started working for this lot ;)
[01:04] <jbailey> ajmitch: Yeah, that only increased my workload. =)
[01:04] <ajmitch> true
[01:05] <ajmitch> well I'm finished lectures at uni at the end of next week
[01:05] <ajmitch> so I might have some time soon
[01:11] <dholbach> congrats, ivoks!
[01:12] <jsgotangco> hello motu
[01:12] <dholbach> hey jsgotangco
[01:13] <ivoks> ok
[01:13] <ivoks> yay! :)
[01:13] <\sh> ivoks: congrats
[01:13] <ivoks> thanks for support :)
[01:14] <dholbach> you absolutely deserved it
[01:15] <dholbach> hey JohnDong
[01:15] <dholbach> any MOTU hopeful still on the CC list?
[01:15] <ivoks> so, now i should mail elmo?
[01:15] <JohnDong> hi
[01:15] <\sh> ivoks: sign coc and mail it to mako
[01:16] <jsgotangco> sign mako's coc
[01:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:16] <crimsun> tseng: yes, I am (wxwidgets 2.6)
[01:16] <jsgotangco> (he wrote it in the first place)
[01:16] <crimsun> congrats to all our new MOTUs
[01:16] <crimsun> (and dholbach & tseng for main)
[01:16] <dholbach> yes, 19! :-)
[01:17] <dholbach> so any motu hopefuls still on the list?
[01:17] <dholbach> else i'll go to bed
[01:17] <dholbach> i'm absolutely tired
[01:17] <tseng> crimsun: ah rock!
[01:17] <tseng> crimsun: are those in now/soon?
[01:18] <tseng> or.. have you tried the WASTE client for linux?
[01:18] <tseng> im like a schoolgirl over it
[01:18] <crimsun> tseng: I have not; I wasn't even aware Ron had uploaded wxwidgets 2.6
[01:18] <tseng> hm
[01:18] <tseng> someone today said that WASTE was looking for wxgtk 2.5
[01:19] <crimsun> must be using the tarball or cvs then
[01:19] <Riddell> \sh: simira is in trolltech?
[01:19] <crimsun> Ron doesn't feel like the current state of 2.6 is ready for Sid
[01:19] <\sh> no :) but .no ;)
[01:19] <Riddell> all much the same
[01:19] <\sh> but the idea of ubuntu toilet paper...
[01:20] <\sh> .no is not a big country ;)
[01:21] <Riddell> well anything above Oslo is just vikings
[01:21] <ivoks> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/UbuntuCodeOfConduct-0.1.txt ?
[01:21] <\sh> Riddell: eheh...they found the states ;)
[01:21] <\sh> before 1492 ;)
[01:26] <\sh> hmmm...i think i should adjust my alarm to 8am
[01:27] <ivoks> mine is to 3am
[01:27] <ivoks> and now is 1:30 :)
[01:27] <ajmitch_> sigh
[01:27] <ajmitch_> screen went nuts
[01:27] <dholbach> argl
[01:28] <jsgotangco> ogra, ping?
[01:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, pongedipong
[01:28] <ajmitch_> yo jsgotangco :)
[01:28] <jsgotangco> ogra, can hwdb-client extend to usb connected devices?
[01:29] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, hello
[01:29] <ogra> jsgotangco, could you file a whishlist bug  for that as a reminder ?
[01:29] <ogra> sure btw....
[01:29] <jsgotangco> sure (Kamion suggested it)
[01:30] <\sh> ogra: it would be a nice idea to put hwdb and uus together, to have something like linux-stats.org only without bugs and borgs
[01:30] <ajmitch_> uus?
[01:30] <ogra> uus ?
[01:30] <\sh> opis project
[01:30] <dholbach> popcon.ubuntu.com?
[01:30] <ogra> \sh, ah, that one...
[01:31] <\sh> http://bronikowski.com/uus
[01:31] <ogra> dholbach, nope, something opi write
[01:31] <ajmitch_> ah right :)
[01:31] <ogra> dholbach, only for universe packages
[01:31] <ogra> \sh, but i doubt we'llsee any php on a ubuntu DC server
[01:31] <ogra> as well as mysql
[01:31] <ajmitch_> php is not well loved
[01:32] <\sh> ogra: talk to him to merge to python/postgres
[01:32] <ogra> but we could link them....
[01:32] <Mithrandir> ajmitch_: PHP isn't love, so that's appropriate. :P
[01:32] <dholbach> argl bakery2.3 breaks as well *GRRR*
[01:32] <ogra> \sh, but currently i'm not sure about marks plans wrt hwdb
[01:33] <ajmitch_> Mithrandir: I know, I get paid to write code in php :)
[01:33] <dholbach> oh ROCK, debian has a patch
[01:34] <dholbach> I  DEBIAN
[01:35] <\sh> ogra: well, we need a tool to determine the hardware range
[01:35] <ogra> range ? tool ?
[01:35] <\sh> hwdb should be a tool to determine the hardware used with ubuntu
[01:36] <\sh> and the hardware is quite interessting for kernel development
[01:36] <ogra> \sh, i'm not sure mdz will like the idea to merge hwdb data with software data, i already had this discussion....
[01:36] <ogra> \sh, but for the rest, indeed, thats one of the planned usecases
[01:36] <\sh> not to merge, but at least to have an official server for it...common for both: statistics
[01:37] <\sh> i don't like to see the problem as for gentoo...to many unmaintained packages and too much of crap in the ebuild package repos
[01:38] <ivoks> ok, now i'm member :)
[01:38] <\sh> w8 for makos mail ;)
[01:38] <ivoks> :)
[01:38] <ivoks> i will
[01:38] <ivoks> i have whole night in front of me
[01:39] <ivoks> drawing roads :)
[01:39] <Mithrandir> tseng: congrats on main upload privs
[01:39] <Mithrandir> \sh: and congrats to you for universe upload rights.
[01:39] <tseng> thanks dude
[01:40] <\sh> thx Mithrandir and again thx to all of u :)
[01:40] <dholbach> lots of happy people tonight :-)
[01:41] <ogra> me too
[01:41] <ogra> with the fresh blood we have :)
[01:41] <dholbach> yes
[01:41] <ajmitch> welcome & congrats to all the new MOTUs
[01:41] <dholbach> members, motus, main-approvals
[01:41] <dholbach> a little bit of everything :-)
[01:43] <\sh> well, I was happy last afternoon when I saw that this "dar" libpackage was compiling on amd64...thx Mithrandir for your help btw :)
[01:43] <ogra> \sh, so you'll upload it yourself then  ;)
[01:43] <Unfrgiven> thanks all
[01:43] <dholbach> thanks Unfrgiven
[01:44] <ogra> Unfrgiven, now on to packaging, so you can upload soon ;)
[01:44] <Mithrandir> \sh: yay, great.
[01:44] <\sh> ogra: well yes :)
[01:44] <Unfrgiven> ogra: yes i plan to get cracking :) but for now, i need to get to work :)
[01:44] <ogra> yep...
[01:44] <ogra> :)
[01:45] <ogra> nice to have you all aboard :)
[01:45] <dholbach> yes .-)
[01:46] <\sh> ogra: so when the sun is shining, the gras is dry, i think dholbach, mvo, myself and of course u as the "host" will have a nice time with a barrel of beer :)
[01:47] <ogra> yeah, just say the date early enough, so we can prepare the house a bit here :)
[01:48] <dholbach> :-))))
[01:48] <\sh> ogra: I thought we should leave your house alone...:) the grassland in front of it is enough ... a big tent
[01:48] <\sh> s/thought/think/
[01:48] <ogra> sure
[01:48] <ogra> we can do some camping
[01:48] <jsgotangco> that would be nice indeed
[01:49] <\sh> ogra: we don't want to stress your better half :)
[01:49] <ogra> she appreciates that.... but she says she has stress anyway ;)
[01:51] <\sh> i have to ask my friends, if there is a possibility to have the loud aplifier music system they're using for parties ;)
[01:51] <\sh> amplifier even
[01:51] <\sh> just joking ;)
[01:52] <Unfrgiven> what does TB stand for?
[01:52] <ajmitch> tech board
[01:52] <Unfrgiven> ah right
[02:02] <dholbach> good night everyone
[02:02] <ogra> night dholbach
[02:02] <jsgotangco> night dholbach
[02:02] <\sh> night dholbach and thx
[02:02] <dholbach> \sh: anytime
[02:03] <dholbach> bye ogra, jsgotangco
[02:03] <tseng> bye dholbach
[02:03] <dholbach> bye tseng, \sh
[02:03] <dholbach> ok... upload done... i'm off
[02:04] <jsgotangco> what does dholbach's quit msg mean?
[02:05] <Seveas> jsgotangco, Leaving
[02:05] <\sh> quitting
[02:05] <Seveas> in german
[02:05] <\sh> leaving
[02:05] <jsgotangco> ahh
[02:05] <ogra> its odd, even in german
[02:05] <\sh> thx to i10n
[02:05] <ogra> because nobody would say "Verlassend"
[02:06] <jsgotangco> i thought it was something else because it was in capital V
[02:06] <tseng> i would say
[02:06] <tseng> bis spader, i think
[02:07] <\sh> ogra: the worst what I saw was: abteil einhngen
[02:07] <ogra> tseng, bis spter
[02:07] <tseng> yes :)
[02:07] <ogra> :)
[02:07] <tseng> i dont have that key
[02:07] <\sh> ogra: for "to mount partition"
[02:07] <ogra> lol
[02:07] <\sh> tseng: \"a
[02:08] <ogra>  \"a
[02:08] <tseng> \"a
[02:08] <\sh> hahahaa
[02:08] <ogra>  "a
[02:08] <\sh> it's tex
[02:08] <ogra> lol
[02:08] <tseng> right..
[02:09] <\sh> or the other way around..long time ago
[02:09] <\sh> but it's really nice to see some connections in this community... blvszcz and opi
[02:10] <\sh> blvszcz is also inside the jabber community
[02:10] <\sh> this is my connection towards him
[02:10] <\sh> really nice
[02:14] <\sh> but now...g'night..7am is start of the day
[02:14] <ogra> night \sh
[02:58] <zul> meh..there is a backport for the kernel now?
[02:59] <tseng> zul: i am working with backports people now
[02:59] <tseng> zul: to reduce the crack addiction
[02:59] <zul> heh...please :)
[03:00] <schweeb> tseng is a crack addict
[03:00] <tseng> only for you, schweeb
[03:00] <schweeb> you are my crack whore
[03:00] <tseng> yep
[03:00] <schweeb> <3
[03:00] <tseng> tell whiprush to get his lazy ass out of bed
[03:01] <schweeb> is  he in bed? what a slut.
[03:01] <tseng> yep.
[03:01] <zul> man for the backport stuff they should prefix their crap
[03:01] <tseng> i havent seen him irc for awhile
[03:02] <schweeb> last I've seen him is 14:03
[03:02] <ogra> zul, backports simply should die and the guys should do some serious work with us instead of breaking users systems
[03:02] <zul> ogra: that works as well ;)
[03:03] <ogra> there is a lot of good manpower we should convert from the dark side
[03:03] <tseng> exactly
[03:03] <tseng> but there is also a small bit of legitimate user demand we should talk about first
[03:04] <zul> oh joy http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15913
[03:05] <jsgotangco> wow that is total crack
[03:06] <jsgotangco> heh jdong's avatar reminds me of bizarro and the borg
[03:44] <ajmitch> ogra: still alive? :)
[03:47] <ogra> half way... on my way to bed
[03:48] <ogra> (03:46am)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> you need more redbull
[03:48] <ajmitch> ok.. mind if i borrow some graphics from hwdb?
[03:48] <ajmitch> and did you put some of those together yourself?
[03:49] <ogra> ajmitch, yep, some of them and no, i dont mind at all grab what you like ;)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> errmm where do i find irclogs of #ubuntu-meeting?
[03:49] <ajmitch> btw what's the license on hwdb-client? :)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> workaround.org doesn't have updated logs
[03:49] <ogra> ajmitch, hmm, i think i linked to GPL in the packages
[03:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:50] <ajmitch> ogra: ah, in the packages.. naughty ;)
[03:50] <jsgotangco> thans
[03:50] <ajmitch> ogra: licensing is tedious, unfortunately
[03:51] <ogra> ajmitch, the source doesnt exist elsewhere ;)
[03:51] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, but each source file is meant to have a license header :)
[03:52] <ogra> feel fre to copy it in on behalf if you mind...
[03:53] <ogra> (i dont, do with it what you like... and quote me on that as you like)
[03:53] <ajmitch> certainly :)
[03:53] <ajmitch> I'll let you upload any fixed packages though :)
[03:53] <ogra> heh
[03:57] <ogra> hmm, seems doko doesnt find his bed...
[03:57] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:59] <doko> ogra: I don't sleep in the hay on a farm ...
[03:59] <ogra> hehe...
[04:00] <ogra> doko, the guys are planning a ubuntu summer camp at my place ...
[04:02] <doko> did you buy the house for $5000, or the one for $10000, do the guys bring their camping equipement with them?
[04:02] <ogra> nope, still at my old home...
[04:03] <ogra> ... i got the termination for my contract for 1. july.... but we decided to ignore it ;)
[04:04] <ogra> doko, but feel free to attend next month... http://www.grawert.net/gallery/pano/
[04:05] <ajmitch> how long are you planning to have this camp?
[04:06] <ogra> some days, i didnt plan it... \sh said one day, "hey, lets meet at ogra's inn" ... since i have no objections, everybody with a tent is welcome... i have 1700 sqaremeters here... space enough for some tents
[04:07] <ajmitch> :)
[04:12] <jsgotangco> oh boy i'd love that
[04:13] <ogra> i do too, but since my landlord terminated the contract i'll hae to move soon...
[04:13] <ogra> have even
[04:15] <jsgotangco> if any of you ever get to drop by or plan to travel back in asia, make sure you stop over to my country we have a farm house outside the city that can accomodate at least 15 people
[04:15] <jsgotangco> its just a 45 minute drive from the capital and you'll save loads of money
[04:16] <ogra> even if i dont care about money....
[04:16] <ogra> ... and i got 35 with this attitude already :)
[04:18] <ogra> doko, btw, i found a old trin station for 20000 near schwerin, vers interesting with 2000 sqm ...
[04:18] <ogra> s/vers/very
[04:24] <ajmitch> hey, I'm not grubby
[04:24] <ajmitch> I had a shower last week :P
[04:25] <ogra> lol
[04:26] <ajmitch> night ogra :)
[04:26] <jsgotangco> night ogra
[06:31] <\sh> morning *yawn*
[06:40] <jsgotangco> err you slept like 4 hours?
[06:41] <\sh> japp
[06:41] <\sh> old men don't need more then 4 hours *eg*
[06:41] <\sh> .oO(I'm tired like hell)
[06:43] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:46] <\sh> :) well, i will leave at 7am my flat, and be in the office at 7:20am and leaving work at 4pm
[06:48] <crimsun_> I usually wake at 5:50 a, get to work at 6:30, leave work at 9:00 p
[06:48] <Lathiat> ouch
[06:48] <\sh> I'm not allowed anymore to stay more than 8 hours ;)
[06:49] <crimsun_> thankfully $employer allows me time to work on FLOSS
[06:49] <Lathiat> floss?
[06:49] <crimsun_> free/libre/open source software
[06:50] <Lathiat> ah libre is th ebit i didnt understand
[06:50] <Lathiat> whats that mean/
[06:51] <\sh> crimsun_: well it's not the problem with my office itself, it's more my times spending for the company and we have a time account, if this is over an ammount of so many hours, we have to take off
[06:51] <crimsun_> \sh, yeah I hear ya
[06:51] <crimsun_> Lathiat, "free" in context, perhaps additional connotations
[06:51] <crimsun_> ( not a French expert )
[06:52] <crimsun_> my Latin is rusty, too
[06:52] <jsgotangco> isn't libre spanish
[06:53] <crimsun_> could well be, they're all romance languages
[07:00] <\sh> time to leave
[07:00] <\sh> laters
[07:00] <crimsun_> cya
[07:14] <jsgotangco> yikes its raining so hard outside
[07:44] <\sh> re
[07:48] <ivoks> 'morning
[09:12] <ivoks> omg
[09:12] <ivoks> did you saw news on slashdot?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> voyager 1?
[09:13] <ivoks> no
[09:13] <ivoks> PGP
[09:13] <jsgotangco> oh yah
[09:13] <jsgotangco> RELEVANT FOR CRIMINAL CASES
[09:14] <ivoks> :)
[09:15] <jsgotangco> let me get this straight, he's guilty because he has PGP installed?
[09:16] <ivoks> well, no
[09:16] <ivoks> but PGP is evidence that he's criminal :)
[09:17] <ivoks> cause, he's trying to hide something :)
[09:17] <jsgotangco> what that makes us?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> potential criminals?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:17] <ivoks> well... yeah :)
[09:17] <jsgotangco> i better look good in a mug shot then
[09:18] <ivoks> well, it doesn't make me look nothing different
[09:18] <ivoks> but guys in USA should think about that
[09:19] <jsgotangco> yeah but some countries use american jurisprudence when they lack local decisions
[09:19] <ivoks> ok, who's back? :)
[09:19] <ivoks> jsgotangco: not in europe
[09:19] <jsgotangco> ivoks, right so
[09:19] <ivoks> this problem is more political nature for me
[09:21] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco, ivoks
[09:21] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:21] <ivoks> ajmitch:
[09:21] <ivoks> hi
[09:21] <ivoks> lol! what a thread :))
[09:22] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: how does it feel to be a member now? :)
[09:22] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, sleepy
[09:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:22] <ivoks> new MOTU?
[09:22] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, yah i just let it pass by back then
[09:23] <ajmitch> ivoks: new member, he's not a motu (yet)
[09:23] <jsgotangco> no i haven't done any MOTU stuff yet
[09:23] <ivoks> ah, ok
[09:23] <ajmitch> we've still got to get him involved
[09:23] <ivoks> then, like me?
[09:23] <jsgotangco> i gotta start loving some packages
[09:23] <ajmitch> ivoks: jsgotangco has been doing docs for ages, and was at UDU
[09:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:24] <ivoks> ah... ok :)
[09:24] <jsgotangco> that surprised a lot of people heh
[09:24] <ajmitch> that you were at UDU?
[09:25] <ajmitch> or that you weren't a member?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> member
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:25] <jsgotangco> UDU wasn't luck for sure
[09:27] <ajmitch> hi koke
[09:28] <ajmitch> here's another UDU veteran ;)
[09:28] <\sh> ah MOTUs awakening ;)
[09:28] <\sh> and freenodes mass split
[09:29] <ivoks> i hate OS X
[09:29] <ivoks> :(
[09:30] <ivoks> linux is much better operating system then OSX
[09:33] <\sh> hmm...anyone has a clue about dh_shlibdeps -N<packagename> ?
[09:33] <\sh> i don't find anything about this switch in the manpages of dh_shlibdeps or dpkg-shlibdeps
[09:33] <ivoks> i saw that too
[09:35] <ivoks> guys :)
[09:35] <ivoks> man debhelper :)
[09:35] <\sh> ok....:)
[09:36] <ivoks> there is -N switch
[09:44] <ivoks> hm... any1 using firefox around here?
[09:46] <koke> hi! :)
[09:46] <Treenaks> ivoks: no, I prefer IE
[09:46] <koke> I opened my xchat window and forgot to say something :)
[09:47] <ivoks> :)
[09:48] <ivoks> i have problems with flash :(
[09:48] <jsgotangco> whats wrong with it
[09:49] <ivoks> jsgotangco: can you open americasarmy.com?
[09:49] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:49] <jsgotangco> in opera?
[09:49] <ivoks> in opera is fine
[09:49] <ivoks> firefox wories me...
[09:50] <jsgotangco> hold on
[09:50] <koke> jsgotangco: what's not wrong with it?? :D
[09:50] <jsgotangco> it opens fine in ff
[09:51] <jsgotangco> (using flash player 7 though)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> wow it even has sound
[09:51] <ivoks> hm...
[09:51] <ivoks> thanks
[09:52] <jsgotangco> you can try www.badgerbadgerbadger.com
[09:52] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:55] <ivoks> ok :) strange :)
[09:55] <jsgotangco> well that's our breezy badger heh
[09:57] <ivoks> dman swf-player :)
[09:59] <ivoks> ok, fixed...
[10:00] <ivoks> swf-player should be repackaged :(
[10:01] <hsprang> hi!
[10:02] <\sh> just installed a new breezy chroot on my root server ;)
[10:06] <ivoks> dchroot :)
[10:20] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[10:23] <koke> do you know how painful is a sarge to hoary upgrade??
[10:23] <koke> I want to have ubuntu in my server too :)
[10:26] <DanielN> koke: it should work fine
[10:26] <ivoks> sarge to hoary?
[10:26] <ivoks> hm...
[10:27] <DanielN> yes
[10:27] <ivoks> sarge has some newer packages then hoary
[10:27] <DanielN> mhm
[10:28] <DanielN> if the sarge installation is even fresh (without any critical packages)
[10:28] <ivoks> 31 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 246 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[10:29] <ivoks> looks very painfull :)
[10:29] <ivoks> but this is mostly kde
[10:30] <DanielN> i think youre speaking about a server?
[10:30] <DanielN> so what the hell is kde searching on it? ;)
[10:30] <ivoks> ok, without KDE
[10:30] <DanielN> ;>
[10:31] <ivoks> it's aptitude, hal-device-manager, synaptic and couple of python packages
[10:32] <ivoks> DanielN: koke was asking for server
[10:32] <ivoks> koke: i'm doing same transition now too :)
[10:32] <DanielN> outch
[10:32] <ivoks> koke: going to hoary
[10:32] <DanielN> slap me :)
[10:33] <ivoks> koke: be sure to remove sarge sources from sources.list
[10:33] <ivoks> and it will be just fine...
[10:33] <DanielN> as i said :)
[10:34] <ivoks> ok... if ubuntu show good on this server, i'll be ready to deploy it all around
[10:34] <DanielN> i've got a hoary server too
[10:34] <ajmitch> koke: if you want to 'crossgrade', do apt pinning
[10:35] <ajmitch> then it will try & downgrade packages to the ubuntu versions if necessary :)
[10:35] <DanielN> ivoks, it's working stable and fine
[10:35] <ajmitch> which may or may not be safe
[10:35] <ivoks> it's better to do full transition
[10:35] <DanielN> daniel@marissa2:~$ uptime
[10:35] <DanielN>  10:33:56 up 17 days, 14:04,  1 user,  load average: 0.13, 0.04, 0.01
[10:35] <ivoks> :)
[10:35] <ajmitch> ivoks: that is a full transition :)
[10:36] <ivoks> DanielN: my uptime is messured in months :)
[10:36] <koke> koke@dali:~$ dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l
[10:36] <koke> 494
[10:36] <ivoks> there goes AIM and ICQ :)
[10:36] <ajmitch> since I haven't bothered to change kernel or reboot
[10:36] <ajmitch> which I should
[10:36] <ivoks> ajmitch: depends
[10:37] <ivoks> kernel didn't have remote exploits for a long time
[10:37] <ivoks> if u are only user...
[10:37] <DanielN> but the kernel update yesterday sucks.. i don't want to reboot my server ;>
[10:37] <ajmitch> ivoks: sure, it's only a dev box
[10:37] <ajmitch> but I want to do selinux stuff which requires rebooting now
[10:37] <ivoks> DanielN: do you have user accounts on that server?
[10:37] <DanielN> mhm.. of course ?!
[10:37] <ivoks> well... that's something different :)
[10:38] <ivoks> DanielN: then you should boot to new kernel :)
[10:38] <DanielN> security issue?
[10:38] <ivoks> well, yes and no
[10:38] <ivoks> attacker can't gaim root privilges
[10:39] <ivoks> but he can read ur mail while you are reading it...
[10:39] <ivoks> let's say, he can sniff traffic :)
[10:39] <DanielN> hrmpf
[10:39] <DanielN> it's a samba fileserver
[10:39] <ivoks> but he must have local account
[10:39] <ivoks> DanielN: you are ok then
[10:39] <DanielN> so the kernel update isnn't neccessary?
[10:39] <ivoks> you don't have local accounts then, man :)
[10:39] <DanielN> sure
[10:40] <DanielN> smb accounts
[10:40] <ivoks> but these aren't local
[10:40] <DanielN> yeah
[10:40] <ivoks> they don't have shells
[10:40] <ivoks> or they have? :)
[10:40] <DanielN> of course, not :)
[10:41] <DanielN> am i able to disable tis kernel upgrade (that it wouldn't be upgraded by next updates?)
[10:42] <DanielN> not... if i think clearly ;)
[10:42] <\sh> koke: i did a debootstrap of hoary on my gentoo box ;) and after this debootstrap i removed all the X stuff
[10:43] <\sh> but yesterday night at 0:00 I had a nice hickup of jabberd2
[10:43] <\sh> it stoped serving client connections via c2s
[10:43] <\sh> I have to investigate this..can be, that there is an issue with the network stack or with c2s itself..(
[10:44] <koke> is there no libapache2-svn in hoary??
[10:45] <ivoks> there is
[10:45] <koke> ouch! I had no universe in sources.list :)
[10:46] <ivoks> :)
[10:46] <ivoks> very nice
[10:46] <ivoks> sarge to ubuntu in 25 minutes
[10:46] <ivoks> without reboot, ofcourse :)
[10:47] <koke> maybe the most scary part is ssh -> openssh-server
[10:47] <ivoks> why?
[10:47] <ivoks> i hope keys wouldn't change
[10:48] <ajmitch> because if you're upgrading a server remotely, you hope that ssh won't die & fail to restart ;)
[10:48] <ivoks> :)
[10:48] <ivoks> good point :)
[10:49] <\sh> ajmitch: it will fail after reboot if u don't take care that u've installed the ssh-server
[10:49] <ivoks> one time i did /etc/init.d/networking stop
[10:49] <ivoks> imagine that :)
[10:50] <ivoks>  * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                                  [ ok ]
[10:50] <ivoks> that was ok
[10:53] <koke> it wants to remove aptitude!!!
[10:53] <ivoks> yeah :(
[10:53] <Seveas> hmm
[10:53] <ivoks> you will install it after that
[10:54] <\sh> ivoks: check the runlevel settings for sshd
[10:55] <ivoks> sure...
[10:55] <\sh> dh_shlibdeps -Ndnet-common -ldebian/tmp/usr/lib
[10:55] <\sh> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libdap.so.2
[10:55] <\sh> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libdnet.so.2
[10:55] <\sh> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libdnet_daemon.so.2
[10:55] <\sh> same warning with: -ldebian/libdnetc2/usr/lib
[10:55] <ivoks> \sh: tmp?!
[10:55] <ivoks> \sh: do you have debian/tmp/usr/lib?
[10:56] <\sh> ivoks: yeah...and the lib portion installed after movefiles in debian/libdnetc2/usr/lib
[10:57] <\sh> but for the package: dnet-common
[10:57] <\sh> dh_shlibdeps  -pdnet-common -ldebian/libdnetc2/usr/lib
[10:57] <\sh> works ok
[10:57] <ivoks> of course
[10:57] <\sh> so I have a problem with the "-N"
[10:58] <ivoks> \sh: LOL!
[10:58] <ivoks> \sh: and... did you checkout man page? :)
[10:59] <\sh> ivoks: jepp
[10:59] <ivoks> -N i -p are opposite switches
[10:59] <ivoks> if one works, the other one will not :)
[10:59] <\sh> Do not act on the specified package even if an -a, -i, or -p option lists the package as one that should be acted on.
[11:00] <\sh> hmmm
[11:00] <\sh> ivoks: but -pdnet-common is "binary-indep" , so shlibs should do nothing at all
[11:00] <ivoks> \sh: ssh is ok, no problems, all links were ok after transition
[11:01] <\sh> ivoks: but for binary-arch this is the problem
[11:08] <ivoks> uh, there is one problem :(
[11:08] <ivoks> libc6 :(
[11:09] <\sh> ivoks: u made a debian -> ubuntu transition via apt-get dist-upgrade? ,-)
[11:09] <ivoks> yeah :)
[11:14] <\sh> hmm...I'm reading right now the complete documentation of pbuilder...is it possible to run pbuilder without sudo? if I'm providing new configs via ~/.pbuilderrc I want to run pbuilder as plain user, possible?
[11:14] <ivoks> ?
[11:14] <ivoks> i'm allways doing fakeroot
[11:14] <ivoks> fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
[11:16] <\sh> hmm
[11:16] <\sh> pbuilder-uml-howto
[11:18] <ivoks> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' oh, my god...
[11:19] <\sh> lets try to upload
[11:20] <ivoks> big problems...
[11:21] <ivoks> \sh: how to avoid this?! :)
[11:21] <\sh> ivoks: where and what?
[11:21] <ivoks> dist-upgrade from sarge to hoary
[11:21] <ivoks> i replaced libc6
[11:22] <ivoks> but now samba, wget, etc... want newer libc
[11:22] <\sh> ivoks: don't ask me :) i was doing the debootstrap way ;)
[11:22] <ivoks> how that one goes?
[11:22] <\sh> download hoary debootstrap package
[11:22] <\sh> install it
[11:23] <\sh> (or use only the tar.gz)
[11:23] <\sh> run it
[11:23] <ivoks> ok...
[11:23] <\sh> chroot it
[11:23] <ivoks> and then copy over old installation?
[11:23] <\sh> install all your services u need
[11:23] <\sh> via apt-get
[11:23] <\sh> from ubuntu
[11:23] <\sh> move configuration files to <chroot>/etc
[11:23] <\sh> or whereever they are on your system...
[11:24] <\sh> but be carefull..u need a bootable partition
[11:24] <ivoks> ok...
[11:24] <\sh> cause kernels and lilo/grub are not installed by debootstrap
[11:24] <ivoks> and i know where this is going...
[11:24] <ivoks> that's too much work and needs disk space
[11:25] <ivoks> it's easier to d/w deb's that i need and dpkg -i them :)
[11:31] <ivoks> time to go
[11:31] <ivoks> bye
[11:48] <\sh> ok..fixed this problem with dnprogs
[12:09] <ajmitch> wb ogra ;)
[12:09] <\sh> moins ogra
[12:09] <ogra> heya
[12:10] <tseng_> hi all
[12:10] <ogra> hey tseng
[12:12] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[12:13] <tseng> hi andrew
[12:15] <thom> tseng: congrats, now get to work ;-)
[12:15] <tseng> thanks thom.
[12:19] <\sh> ok ... one coffee ... one cigarette ...
[12:19] <ajmitch> ah, about time for me to go off & rest
[12:34] <\sh> and I decided right now: after the meeting at 1pm I will leave work and take a nap
[01:05] <Burgundavia> ogra, thanks for doing apt-file
[01:05] <ogra> report if something goe wrong ;)
[01:05] <ogra> goes even
[01:23] <StoneTable> says it depends on libapt-pkg-perl which isn't going to be installed
[01:24] <StoneTable> if you're talking about breezy
[01:28] <Treenaks> http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/bug.jpg
[01:29] <StoneTable> heh
[01:42] <ogra> StoneTable, did you install with apt-get ? works here ....
[01:42] <StoneTable> yep
[01:43] <StoneTable>  libapt-pkg-perl: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 but it is not installable
[01:43] <ogra> hmm, works for me on all arches i have
[01:43] <ogra> ah, ok, thats unrelated
[01:46] <DanielN> someone working on PHP5 packages?
[01:46] <StoneTable> k
[01:47] <ogra> DanielN, talk to infinity in -devel, he once did, i dont know if he still does...
[01:47] <thom> DanielN: yes
[01:47] <thom> DanielN: infinity, in his "copious" spare time
[01:47] <DanielN> ok
[01:48] <DanielN> thats very pitty
[01:48] <DanielN> PHP5 rocks :)
[01:48] <DanielN> ?
[01:49] <Burgundavia> ogra, Depends: libapt-pkg-perl but it is not going to be installed
[01:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, thats libapt-pkg-perl's fault...
[01:49] <ogra> not apt-file ;)
[01:49] <DanielN> ogra: why shuddering?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> ogra, have you heard the term, "passing the buck?"
[01:50] <ogra> Burgundavia, yep, but i'm cautious touching mvo's packages without discussion ;) i'll talk to him
[01:51] <ogra> DanielN, php is evil as hell :)
[01:51] <Burgundavia> ogra, no biggie
[01:52] <DanielN> ogra: your mus explain that to me, since i dunno why :)
[01:52] <ogra> too many security issues
[01:54] <DanielN> ogra: of course, PHP needs a "safe"-coder .. but then, i can't see more security issues than in any other languages like php
[01:55] <DanielN> must work now .. cu later all ;>
[01:55] <ogra> its even a PITA to write something in it....
[02:14] <\sh> ok...going home...cu later dudes
[02:19] <ogra> StoneTable, Accepted libapt-pkg-perl 0.1.13ubuntu4 (source)
[02:29] <Treenaks> \o/ uploaded
[02:36] <ogra> Treenaks, yay
[02:36] <ogra> meh, vtk failed to build after 2h buildtime :(
[02:54] <tseng|work> morning all
[03:20] <StoneTable> ogra: awesome, just saw t hat
[03:39] <ogra> where did your upload go to ?
[03:40] <Treenaks> ogra: h...
[03:40] <Treenaks> ogra: fixed now :)
[03:40] <ogra> heh
[04:13] <tseng|work> ogra when are we seeding mono?
[04:14] <tseng|work> i am off work on monday
[04:17] <ogra> tseng|work, i need to mail a list to Kamion
[04:17] <ogra> so lets assemble a list :)
[04:24] <tseng|work> mono
[04:24] <tseng|work> gtk-sharp
[04:24] <tseng|work> monodoc
[04:24] <tseng|work> gecko-sharp
[04:25] <tseng|work> anything else?
[04:25] <ogra> apps ?
[04:25] <ogra> beagle
[04:25] <ogra> tomboy
[04:25] <ogra> f-spot?
[04:25] <tseng|work> apps need fixed
[04:25] <tseng|work> but they can move and get fixed later
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <tseng|work> f-spot sucks for you?
[04:25] <tseng|work> crashomatic
[04:25] <ogra> monodevelop?
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:26] <tseng|work> MD has 2.x bindings
[04:26] <tseng|work> eh
[04:26] <tseng|work> why not
[04:26] <ogra> do we have a older stable version ?
[04:26] <ogra> ah, good
[04:26] <tseng|work> its stable and getting better
[04:26] <tseng|work> lets just go for it
[04:26] <tseng|work> tberman will make love to me
[04:27] <thom> *that's* a scary thought
[04:27] <tseng|work> ok, so again
[04:27] <thom> muine?
[04:27] <ogra> hehe
[04:27] <tseng|work> mono, mondoc, gtk-sharp, gecko-sharp, beagle, tomboy, monodevelop
[04:27] <ogra> thom, we have rhythmbox in main already.... do we want redundancy ?
[04:27] <tseng|work> can we agree on that list to start?
[04:28] <tseng|work> MD will pull in the 2.x bindings
[04:28] <thom> ogra: hmm.
[04:28] <tseng|work> w/o listing them
[04:28] <ogra> oki
[04:28] <tseng|work> eh i guess beagle will pull gtk-sharp and gecko-sharp
[04:28] <tseng|work> and gtk-sharp will pull monodoc
[04:28] <tseng|work> "tomboy beagle monodevelop"
[04:28] <ogra> so mono, beagle, tomboy, monodevelop ?
[04:28] <tseng|work> is the list boiled down
[04:28] <thom> looks reasonable
[04:28] <tseng|work> we dont need to list mono
[04:29] <ogra> ah, yes
[04:29] <thom> are you gonna mail kamion to change the seeds, or?
[04:29] <tseng|work> yes.
[04:29] <ogra> yep
[04:32] <ogra> done
[04:33] <tseng|work> thanks
[04:53] <\sh> *yawn*
[04:59] <\sh> morning gentlement
[04:59] <\sh> -t
[06:34] <bradb> hey guys
[06:34] <bradb> what do you think of these suggestions for the bugtask listing: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/785?
[06:35] <Burgundavia> bradb, that makes all the little annoyances that I can think of go away
[06:35] <bradb> Burgundavia: cool
[06:36] <Burgundavia> bradb, can we visual severity as well?
[06:36] <bradb> i think it would make sense to do that
[06:36] <Burgundavia> maybe just bars, from yellow to red
[06:37] <Burgundavia> that would allow counting for those people who are colourblind
[06:37] <Burgundavia> for the sorting on the fly, we are taking fancy javascript, no
[06:38] <bradb> Burgundavia: question: you say "little annoyances". i feel that the problems that my bug report wants to address are, in fact, problems that currently make bug days almost impossible. what do you think?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> bradb, by little annoyances, I meant each little thing is very annoying, and as a whole, yes, they do make bug tracking almost impossible
[06:38] <bradb> Burgundavia: i was planning on the sorting being a GET, not .js (certainly not for the first take, anyway :)
[06:39] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:39] <Burgundavia> I saw a really cool javascript thing floating around, with fast sorting
[06:40] <bradb> anyone else have an opinion on those suggestions that i made in bug 785? the more consensus i get, the more easily i think i can push for these changes sooner rather than later.
[06:41] <thom> seems reasonable; if you go for the large number of bugs per page, make sure you repeat the headings at reasonable intervals so people can find out what the columns are
[06:41] <Burgundavia> maybe at each severity level break
[06:41] <bradb> thom: good point, yeah
[06:41] <thom> Burgundavia: no
[06:41] <thom> that would be horrible
[06:42] <Burgundavia> ok, then can it float, so that if you the break is at 50 bugs, and you have 51 bugs in severity level X, it doesn't cut hte bug off for the next section
[06:43] <thom> eh? i can't see why the severity matters to the breaksd
[06:43] <thom> you just do it every hundred bugs
[06:44] <Burgundavia> but do you see my point about where you break? if you chop of 5-10 bugs into a new section,you get a visual disconnect
[06:46] <thom> sure, but you're trying to conflate two different things
[06:47] <Burgundavia> not really
[06:47] <Burgundavia> by having a new header, you are drawing a box around each section
[06:47] <bradb> thom: one question for you to get a clear idea of where we're currently at: would you agree that the bug listing in Malone in its current form is virtually unusable for bug days/triaging/general day-to-day work or is that a bit extreme to say?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> bradb, it is not much worse/better than bugziila
[06:48] <thom> Burgundavia: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=firefox&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=firefox&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=firefox&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=firefox
[06:48] <thom> feh, that's a horrible url. anyway, that was all i meant
[06:49] <Burgundavia> thom, yes, I see that
[06:50] <Burgundavia> that is bugzilla?
[06:50] <thom> Burgundavia: yes
[06:50] <Burgundavia> is that stuff inhouse? has it been released back?
[06:51] <thom> bradb: i think that's extreme; the lack of severity in the list is probably the worst misfeature
[06:51] <bradb> thom: ok
[06:52] <thom> bradb: tbh, i think redhat's bugzilla is excellent in terms of design and UI, stealing from it would not be the worst move you could make, visually :-)
[06:52] <bradb> thom: noted
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bradb, there are a few tweaks I would make, but yes, it is visually very nice
[06:56] <bradb> wow, it does look pretty nice :)
[06:57] <Burgundavia> colour note, I find the white/off-white visually cleaner and easier to read than the blue
[06:58] <Burgundavia> but if you look at colour theory, and how people process it, everyboyd has a color that they don't read white well on
[06:58] <Burgundavia> mine is blue
[06:58] <Burgundavia> or black
[07:08] <Burgundavia> when I resolve a bug as universe, should I open a malone bug for the same thing?
[07:19] <\sh> has anybody time for a test?
[07:19] <DanielN> of course :)
[07:20] <\sh> DanielN: thx :) can u build a hoary pbuilder env and switch then to breezy pbuilder env? according to wiki/PbuilderHowto ?
[07:20] <DanielN> hehe
[07:21] <DanielN> i've tested this already .. without success
[07:21] <\sh> the day before yesterday it worked ;)
[07:21] <DanielN> i tried it yesterday .. if i'm not completely wrong
[07:21] <DanielN> (had a hard day)
[07:21] <DanielN> ;)
[07:23] <\sh> hmmm
[07:23] <DanielN> if you say the day before yesterday.. u mean the problem reffers to the kernel update, \sh ?
[07:24] <\sh> DanielN: no
[07:24] <\sh> [19:06]  <\sh> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[07:24] <\sh> [19:06]  <\sh> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp'
[07:24] <\sh> [19:06]  <\sh> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[07:24] <\sh> this is my error message
[07:25] <DanielN> i got another one
[07:25] <DanielN> but i'll build the whole thing again at weekend, when i've more time ..
[07:25] <ivoks> hi all
[07:25] <DanielN> hello :)
[07:26] <ivoks> I am so angry...
[07:26] <\sh> fck
[07:26] <\sh> i didn't remove the update-notifure
[07:26] <DanielN> \sh: maybe you have a little time for me now? :)
[07:27] <\sh> DanielN: sure :)
[07:28] <DanielN> it would be very helpful if you'll have a look at my when package .. so that i know, whats wrong and what i did right (new to packaging and noobie :) )
[07:29] <ivoks> \sh: now you are MOTU and you have to check out other packages :)
[07:29] <DanielN> ^^
[07:29] <\sh> ivoks: looks like :)
[07:29] <DanielN> you don't have to do that .. if you've got something more important to do, \sh !
[07:30] <\sh> DanielN: pointer?
[07:30] <DanielN> MOTUNewPackages ;-)
[07:31] <\sh> ivoks: I can't even upload until now ;)
[07:31] <ivoks> hehe
[07:32] <ivoks> when should I expect respons from mako? about CoC signing...
[07:33] <\sh> i took 1 1/2 days for me :)
[07:34] <ivoks> ok
[07:34] <herve> hi!
[07:35] <\sh> hey herve
[07:35] <ivoks> herve:
[07:35] <\sh> it's hot and my laptop is even hotter
[07:35] <ivoks> you can't imagine what happend to me today :)
[07:36] <herve> no I can't :-)
[07:37] <ivoks> finnaly, my car was fixed after that car accident
[07:37] <ivoks> i said, great! now i can move trough city faster :)
[07:37] <ivoks> but, on first traffic light i heard *pong*
[07:38] <ivoks> german speeking MOTUs will understand me now
[07:38] <ivoks> whole auspuff system landed on road
[07:38] <\sh> hehehe
[07:39] <\sh> exhaust system
[07:39] <ivoks> yeah :)
[07:39] <herve> I still don't get it :-)
[07:39] <\sh> herve: the part of the car where the steam comes out?
[07:39] <ivoks> herve: that pipe for CO2
[07:39] <DanielN> ree
[07:39] <ivoks> and SO2
[07:39] <\sh> herve: it dropped on the street
[07:39] <ivoks> and other toxic waste :)
[07:40] <herve> ha ok
[07:40] <ivoks> and they said evertyhing is ok
[07:40] <herve> it's called exhaust system, I should remember
[07:40] <herve> they forgot to screw it? :-)
[07:40] <ivoks> herve: it's auspuff :)
[07:40] <ivoks> nope, they did't check it at all
[07:41] <ivoks> you don't screw auspuff
[07:41] <DanielN> \sh: you've found the package? :-)
[07:41] <DanielN> nerving i know ;)
[07:41] <herve> I don't know anything about cars :-)
[07:41] <ivoks> it would creat too much noise
[07:42] <ivoks> it's attached to ruber
[07:42] <\sh> DanielN: yeah
[07:42] <ivoks> well..
[07:42] <ivoks> i was so angry
[07:42] <ivoks> :)
[07:42] <\sh> DanielN: and my pbuilder is also ready
[07:43] <DanielN> nice to hear .. so i'm more motivated to try pbuilder too :)
[07:44] <herve> ivoks, I can imagine
[07:46] <\sh> DanielN:
[07:46] <\sh> shermann@server3:~/motu/review/danieln$ dpkg-source -x when_1.0.23-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:46] <\sh> dpkg-source: failure: cannot read ./when_1.0.23-0ubuntu1.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[07:47] <ogra> ouch, a native package ?
[07:47] <herve> ?
[07:47] <herve> ogra...
[07:47] <\sh> the source package is not right
[07:47] <DanielN> yes
[07:47] <herve> argh
[07:47] <herve> herve...
[07:47] <ogra> herve ?
[07:47] <\sh> yepp
[07:47] <ogra> :)
[07:47] <DanielN> \sh: i called my directories wrong
[07:47] <ivoks> ok
[07:47] <herve> ogra, spoke too fast
[07:47] <ogra> heh
[07:48] <ogra> i recognized :)
[07:48] <\sh> DanielN: fix :)
[07:48] <DanielN> \sh: so the orig.tar.gz was called when1.0.23-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[07:48] <ivoks> that's wrong
[07:48] <ivoks> it shouldn't contain revision
[07:48] <\sh> completly :)
[07:48] <DanielN> ivoks: i know
[07:48] <herve> where's dholbach?
[07:48] <herve> celebrating his "main" promotion? :-)
[07:48] <ivoks> ok if you know :)
[07:49] <ivoks> drung somewhere :)
[07:49] <ivoks> drunk
[07:49] <DanielN> \sh: so is this now a revision (fix the prob i mean) .. ?
[07:49] <ogra> herve, working on his thesis...
[07:49] <\sh> the upstream package is when-1.0.23.tar.gz
[07:49] <herve> ogra, that's all I hope
[07:50] <\sh> tar -xvzf when-1.0.23.tar.gz ; cd when-1.0.23 ; dh_make -e <your email> -f ../when-1.0.23.tar.gz
[07:51] <DanielN> \sh: i've done it like that ..
[07:51] <ivoks> DanielN: there is great tutorial, if you need it
[07:51] <DanielN> ivoks: i used debian new maintainers guide
[07:51] <herve> DanielN, and you cleaned the extra files and directives you don't need?
[07:51] <ivoks> yeah, that one :)
[07:52] <DanielN> herve: you mean i don't think the .ex files?
[07:52] <DanielN> i don't need ... urgs
[07:52] <herve> the .ex files and the useless directives in debian/rules
[07:52] <herve> really make it fits your needs
[07:52] <DanielN> ok
[07:52] <herve> not giving the feeling a machine created the package :-)
[07:53] <DanielN> herve: thanks, very helpful! \sh: thanks also to you.. and tho ivoks...
[07:53] <herve> you're welcome
[07:53] <DanielN> so.. i'm away no for short .. to rebuild it :)
[07:53] <\sh> DanielN: i worked on my first one more then 20 hours ;)
[07:53] <herve> well, you know you're welcome on #u-m too :-)
[07:54] <DanielN> \sh: can imagine that .. it's difficult for a newbie
[07:55] <DanielN> herve: thanks .. i'm very .. mhm .. amazed about the community .. and the devels here aren't suchs.. mhm .. elite guys, if you know what i mean
[07:55] <herve> nice to hear :-)
[07:56] <DanielN> btw: how big is the "chance" (bad english) to become MOTU ?
[07:56] <herve> it is
[07:56] <herve> big
[07:56] <DanielN> nice to hear :)
[07:57] <herve> but it's hard to tell you at which point a maintainer becomes a motu
[07:57] <herve> there are several criterias involved and interacting with each other
[07:57] <herve> the speed you gain experience and confidence
[07:57] <\sh> everyone can be a MOTU :) the title is not important...the fun is much more important :)
[07:58] <herve> how you make your place in the community
[07:58] <herve> etc.
[07:58] <herve> \sh, congrats by the way!
[07:58] <\sh> herve: thx
[07:58] <DanielN> \sh: of course .. but it's a better feeling anyway to be "fully"-included .. congrats from me too ;)
[07:59] <\sh> herve: but without the help of you, guys, no one would make it..and no one would have fun to work on this damn excellent project
[07:59] <herve> I know this speech :-)
[07:59] <\sh> DanielN: believe me, when I'm saying: the first time, ogra pushed me into this "adventure" I felt more home then at my gentoo days.
[08:00] <ogra> heh
[08:00] <DanielN> hehe .. you was a gentoo devel, \sh ?
[08:00] <herve> that's the "killer feature" of ubuntu
[08:01] <herve> lowering the level for users and developers too
[08:01] <DanielN> herve: i noticed that the first time i joined #u-m :)
[08:01] <\sh> DanielN: thank god they put my application into the trashbin :) but I was working on the gentoo.de project..
[08:01] <DanielN> nice
[08:01] <\sh> DanielN: and I will work furthen on with the gentoo.de e.V. guys (at least I paid my e.V. fees :))
[08:02] <ivoks> is it bad to contact mako over msg? :)
[08:02] <DanielN> mhm .. ubuntu and it's community is satisfaction at it's best for me :)
[08:02] <herve> ivoks, no, you need to fill in an official form ;-)
[08:02] <DanielN> \sh: and how do you came to ubuntu as your os?
[08:02] <ivoks> herve: where can i find it? :)
[08:02] <ivoks> wiki.ubuntu.com/OfficialMakoDisturbing
[08:02] <ivoks> wiki.ubuntu.com/OfficialMakoDisturbingForm
[08:02] <ivoks> :)
[08:05] <herve> ivoks, sure, he's as accessible as can be
[08:05] <herve> but don't expect an answer too soon
[08:05] <Nafallo> morning all!
[08:05] <\sh> DanielN: ogra was working in the same company :) and I was wearing a trolltech (qt) shirt :) so we started our relationship :) he was telling me something about ubuntu and i was telling him something about gentoo
[08:06] <ogra> i was more convincing it seems.... :)
[08:06] <\sh> DanielN: after some time, I was curious about ubuntu and installed hoary rc1, cause ogra told me, that he is working on this xscreensaver patch :)
[08:06] <ivoks> herve: it's ok
[08:06] <ivoks> lot of people have problems on customs with ubuntu shipping
[08:06] <\sh> and on hal stuff
[08:07] <ivoks> so i would like to translate customs_letter
[08:07] <DanielN> wow .. nice story
[08:07] <DanielN> :)
[08:07] <DanielN> the company in which i work is totally windows *verseucht*
[08:07] <\sh> DanielN: and after going back from hoary rc1 to gentoo I killed my laptop mainboard..and after this incident, i installed hoary :)
[08:08] <DanielN> eheh :)
[08:10] <\sh> DanielN: that's one part of the story .. the second part is: I want to learn new things, I want to know other people :)
[08:11] <DanielN> \sh: same to me ;) and i did it in #u-m ;)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> ogra, should i open a malone bug for something I mark as resolved:universe in bugzilla?
[08:13] <ivoks> hi doko
[08:13] <ogra> Burgundavia, yep, if its still open
[08:13] <ivoks> silly me :)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> ogra, ok, grr
[08:14] <Burgundavia> ogra, how do I make a product be able to file bugs on it?
[08:18] <herve> hi to those arrived
[08:20] <doko> ivoks: hi
[08:20] <ivoks> :)
[08:24] <ivoks> isle of man is part of United Kingdom?
[08:24] <ivoks> lol, i can't translate isle of man :.
[08:25] <DanielN> \sh: only one question: should the package install in /usr/bin or in /usr/local/bin
[08:26] <\sh>  /usr/bin
[08:26] <DanielN> thanks
[08:46] <DanielN> lol i think i removed one thing too much .. "when command not found" ^^
[08:46] <\sh> wiki/UniverseNewPackages are for new software not in the Universe, right? just a UniverseSoftwareWishList
[08:48] <Amaranth> If I'm trying to get a package sponsored for upload to universe should I put it on MOTUNewPackages?
[08:48] <Amaranth> I don't think I can be a MOTU (mostly because I can't get my key signed).
[08:50] <\sh> Amaranth: put it on :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> \sh: have to wait for a new PyXDG release and then for that release to get into main
[08:52] <herve> \sh, not in Ubuntu nor Debian
[08:52] <\sh> herve: yeah..the right page is UniverseCandidates ;)
[08:53] <herve> let's have a request tracker soon!
[08:53] <herve> :-)
[08:54] <\sh> herve: *thumbsup*
[08:58] <herve> do you get some ".Xsession" empty dialog at the start of gnome?
[09:00] <\sh> no..no gnome here
[09:06] <ivoks> it's time for transition! :)
[09:06] <herve> it's time for sleeping!
[09:06] <herve> Zzzzzzz...
[09:07] <DanielN> ^^
[09:07] <herve> oc?
[09:07] <DanielN> O.C. California
[09:08] <DanielN> 3mins left until start .. must go now :)
[09:09] <Nafallo> DanielN: on what channel? #ubuntu-meeting? :-)
[09:09] <DanielN> no .. it's called ProSieben ;)
[09:10] <ivoks> oc :))
[09:10] <Nafallo> aha, tv :-P
[09:10] <ivoks> it's not soo good to watch :)
[09:11] <ivoks> bunch of people 30-40 years, acting like they are 16 or 17 :)
[09:11] <herve> I don't even have tv
[09:11] <Nafallo> herve: same here :-)
[09:52] <\sh> hmmm...plain user support is not my type of work ;)
[09:58] <ivoks> :)
[09:58] <ivoks> that was one of my conditions to work in this company
[09:58] <ivoks> not to work with end users :)
[09:59] <Burgundavia> user support is not pure evil, just mostly
[09:59] <\sh> well, in the end, I'm expecting too much ;)
[09:59] <\sh> reading e.g.
[09:59] <\sh> trying and making mistakes
[10:00] <ivoks> they can't explain their problems...
[10:01] <\sh> well, I'd explain one guy now, how to mount his partition...he didn't understand...and one second later, he wants to do it as root on the console
[10:03] <ivoks> ?
[10:04] <\sh> yes...that was my reaction "??"
[10:04] <ivoks> well, he isn't wrong :)
[10:04] <\sh> hey tritium
[10:04] <tritium> hello \sh
[10:05] <\sh> ivoks: but what is the difference between: sudo vi /etc/fstab and enter a line and sudo mount <mntpoint>
[10:05] <\sh> or sudo su -
[10:05] <\sh> and mount <bla>
[10:05] <\sh> he didn't even know how to get a root shell
[10:05] <ivoks> \sh: big difference
[10:06] <ivoks> ah...
[10:06] <ivoks> diff beetwen sudo and su :)
[10:07] <\sh> ddiff sudo su -> do
[10:07] <\sh> ;)
[10:07] <\sh> u see :) I'm nuts
[10:08] <\sh> well, I check cxxlist
[10:08] <ivoks> that's nothing
[10:08] <ivoks> on time i sad to a guy:
[10:08] <ivoks> copy prism2-source-whateverversion to /tmp
[10:08] <ivoks> he said to me:
[10:08] <ivoks> there is no file prism2-source-whateverversion
[10:08] <ivoks> he acctually typed that
[10:09] <herve> " - what's printed on your screen?
[10:09] <herve>  - IIyama "
[10:09] <\sh> bofh (tm)
[10:11] <ivoks> :)
[10:12] <ivoks> the best one i saw and couldn't belive...
[10:12] <ivoks> woman calls me that she doesn't have Word anymore
[10:12] <ivoks> ok, i camed and ok...
[10:12] <ivoks> there is word icon on desktop
[10:12] <ivoks> click -> word opens
[10:13] <ivoks> so i ask, where is problem?
[10:13] <ivoks> she claims that's not her word... her word was different
[10:13] <ivoks> hm.... did you reinstall it? or something?
[10:13] <ivoks> no, it looks like mine, but this isn't mine word..
[10:13] <ivoks> ok, i'm closing word and she screems yes, thank you!
[10:14] <ivoks> i was like... ????
[10:14] <ivoks> she opens that same icon and says thank you, that's my word
[10:14] <ivoks> i'm leaving the room, really not knowing what's different, and then it strikes me
[10:14] <ivoks> i maximized the window before closing it
[10:15] <herve> permit I tell this one? :-)
[10:15] <ivoks> sure :)
[10:18] <ivoks> ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'SCTPSocket' with no type
[10:18] <ivoks> lol, who wrote this program? :))
[10:21] <ivoks> ah... bye all
[10:22] <herve> bye
[10:25] <ivoks> ajmitch: ping
[10:25] <herve> overnight, already? :-)
[10:25] <herve> ivoks, he's probably at work
[10:26] <ivoks> no... i just saw that app i was going to patch to compile
[10:26] <ivoks> it's been taken by ajmitch
[10:26] <ivoks> so i wanted to check how it is going :)
[10:26] <ivoks> but ok.... he will do it :)
[10:27] <ivoks> bye now :)
[10:36] <herve> night!
[10:44] <saintsjd> There are some packages in debian SID that I am will to work on to fully support in Ubuntu.  I have read the MOTU documentation, but I still am little unclear.    What are the specific steps I need to take to unsure that the packages are supported in a future release of ubuntu?
[10:45] <ogra> if they are in sid we can simply sync them from there...
[10:45] <ogra> hi btw
[10:46] <saintsjd> I finally made it
[10:46] <ogra> yay
[10:46] <saintsjd> what do you mean by sync them?
[10:47] <ogra> currently we are in a state with the distrobution where packages from debian get synced automatically to our build daemons... so they will hit breezy anyway i they are in debian
[10:47] <ogra> if even
[10:49] <ogra> normally such packages "just build" but since we are changing a lot in the underlying architecture which didnt get changed in debian yet (but eventually will after sarge released), it might be possible that they need some manual love, so everybody helping out here is very welcome
[10:50] <ogra> to become a MOTU you have to go through some steps... (similar to the debian NM process, but waaay faster ;) )
[10:50] <saintsjd> Oh. ok.  can we talk about a specific example. The package that I am interested in maintaining for Ubuntu is called mapserver.  I know that it is unstable now.  It depends on python 2.3. Ubuntu is using 2.4.  Is this adjustment the type of "love" you mention?
[10:50] <ogra> YAY
[10:50] <saintsjd> ok
[10:51] <ogra> did you see the UbuntuGIS wiki page ?
[10:51] <saintsjd> yes.
[10:51] <saintsjd> No one seems to be working on it now
[10:52] <ogra> yep, thats the adjustment i meant... but ubuntu still has python2.3 components for backwards compatibility so it might work right away, but i'm happy someone is interested in the GIS stuff finally
[10:53] <Burgundavia> some interesting and knowledgable abut GIS? Can it be?
[10:53] <ogra> currently we change a lot due to the C++ transition and the change to gcc4
[10:53] <ogra> Burgundavia, yeah... we are lucky guys, arent we ?
[10:53] <ogra> :)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> I have the interest, but absolutely no knowledge
[10:53] <saintsjd> how could I get started with trnsitioning the mapserver package to pythom 2.4?
[10:53] <saintsjd> I am very intereested!:)
[10:54] <ogra> saintsjd, i was the guy who started the GIS project and Burgundavia assembled the awesome list on the wiki, so you just met the right ppl :)
[10:54] <saintsjd> wow!
[10:55] <saintsjd> I really would love to contribute! I ahve been working on debianGIS and would like to bridge that effort to Ubuntu.
[10:55] <ogra> sure, but you should first have some basic experience in packaging... and to become a MOTU you'll need to become a member first
[10:55] <ogra> yeah
[10:55] <ogra> exactly what we're looking for :)
[10:56] <ogra> to become a memberthe first thing to do is to create a wiki page for you
[10:57] <saintsjd> Will do the WikI page. I know this might seem basic, but to start practice packaging on my own PC what special configuration of ubuntu do i need?
[10:57] <ogra> here is a perfect one (yours doesnt need to be this perfect) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DanielRobitaille
[10:58] <saintsjd> how do i get a gpg key?
[10:58] <ogra> look below the MOTU wiki page, there are some links... especially the PbuilderHowto and the DeveloperRessources might be interesting
[10:59] <ogra> do you have a local LUG near you ?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> ogra, mine is better. It referred to me as a "creator of hot air"
[10:59] <ogra> lol
[10:59] <Burgundavia> but then again, I have been able to expel hot air, in person, at Mataro
[10:59] <saintsjd> LUG?
[10:59] <ogra> Linux User Group
[10:59] <Burgundavia> linux users group
[11:00] <saintsjd> I am in DC. I assume so.
[11:00] <ogra> theytend to meet regulary, mostly you'll be able to find someone who can sign your key
[11:01] <ogra> additionally you can look at biglumber for people in your area and just mail and ask tem to meet for a coffe or something...
[11:01] <saintsjd> Ok. so.. I 1) create a WIKI page 2) read the docs 3) get a gpg from LUG
[11:01] <ogra> yep
[11:02] <|QuaD-> finally back home and computer is set up :)
[11:02] <|QuaD-> don't want to fubar my system by dist-upgrade though
[11:02] <ogra> then 4.) make a contribution of any kind (a howto wiki page, a background image, fix a bug or whatever) ...
[11:03] <ogra> 5.) set yourself on the CommunityCouncilAgenda and show the CC what you've done to get your membership...
[11:03] <ogra> ... in a CC meeting...
[11:03] <saintsjd> Ahh...
[11:04] <tseng|work> its not really just anyone in your LUG
[11:04] <tseng|work> you need to get a trust connection back to us
[11:04] <ogra> tseng|work, if people are on biglumber its likely they ae connected anyhow to us...
[11:05] <tseng|work> oh you found him one
[11:05] <tseng|work> ?
[11:05] <ogra> nope
[11:05] <ogra> i just pointed to biglumber before
[11:06] <saintsjd> biglumber?
[11:06] <saintsjd> creating a wiki page now...
[11:06] <ogra> http://biglumber.com/
[11:07] <|QuaD-> quadisgod1
[11:07] <ogra> all people listed there are willing to sign you
[11:07] <|QuaD-> :)
[11:08] <ogra> :)
[11:08] <tseng|work> one more pass of my snmp poller and i can go home
[11:08] <Burgundavia> can we ship a version in Breezy before they release it in RHEL? --> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;415878037;fp;2;fpid;1
[11:09] <ogra> tseng|work,  yay, you finally made it ?
[11:10] <|QuaD-> what distro is mono-live based off of?
[11:10] <ogra> |QuaD-, guess
[11:10] <Burgundavia> not that hard
[11:10] <|QuaD-> suse?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> nope, try again
[11:10] <ogra> |QuaD-, hint -> tseng
[11:10] <|QuaD-> haha, ubuntu?
[11:10] <ogra> :)
[11:10] <|QuaD-> ahh, :)
[11:11] <saintsjd> will breezy do it --> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;415878037;fp;2;fpid;1
[11:11] <Burgundavia> if we can find someone to package it
[11:11] <Burgundavia> I have barely gotten my feet wet with packaging
[11:12] <Burgundavia> and thus don't want to touch server stuff
[11:12] <|QuaD-> bbl
[11:14] <saintsjd> Thanks all. This is enough to get me started!
[11:14] <saintsjd> Getting GIS and Directory stuff in Ubuntu will really be great.
[11:15] <ogra> yeah, thanks for coming around, we all really appreciate it :)
[11:15] <Burgundavia> saintsjd, would you mind taking a quick look at the non-packaged GIS stuff and tell us what is useful, and what isnt?
[11:16] <saintsjd> definitly can do it.
[11:16] <ogra> hmm, adding some info to that page could be a reasonable contribution for memebershio ;)
[11:16] <ogra> s/o/p
[11:16] <saintsjd> :)
[11:17] <saintsjd> Seems like our best bet is to closely work with DebianGIS.  Are you all on that list?
[11:18] <Burgundavia> nope
[11:18] <Burgundavia> I guess I should be
[11:18] <ogra> nope, but thats a good call
[11:19] <saintsjd> I have gotten a very mild response in posting I have made to the list about possible Ubuntu->DebianGIS collaboration
[11:19] <ogra> mild == nothing ??
[11:19] <Burgundavia> ogra, breezy-changes, bugzilla, -devel, sounder, plus about 5 others or varying size
[11:20] <saintsjd> basically. nothing, and a little resistance.
[11:20] <ogra> yep...
[11:20] <ogra> saintsjd, thats the sad reality with most DDs
[11:20] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:20] <Burgundavia> http://www.refractions.net/
[11:20] <Burgundavia> these people are based in Victoria
[11:20] <ogra> they dont get the fact that they benefit from that
[11:21] <Burgundavia> sorry to comment on this, but there is a lot of "Not made here" in debian
[11:21] <Burgundavia> it is really sad
[11:21] <ogra> yrp
[11:21] <ogra> s/r/e
[11:22] <Burgundavia> even amongst debian itself, NMU's
[11:22] <ogra> but in fact our patches willflow back to them and they get a huge tester community
[11:26] <Burgundavia> geez, most of the OSS gis stuff is Canadian
[11:26] <Burgundavia> mapserver, postgis, ka-map, udig
[11:26] <ogra> grass started in germany and moved to italia
[11:26] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:26] <Burgundavia> the web stuff is mostly canuck though
[11:28] <Burgundavia> this should be a high priority, after mapserver
[11:28] <Burgundavia> http://ka-map.maptools.org/
[11:36] <saintsjd> agreed
[11:38] <ogra> yeah, thats very cool
[11:40] <saintsjd> ok kids. I am out. thanks for getting me started.


[13:36] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +589 cases (now 1.6 million), +24 deaths (now 27555), +17283 tests (now 9.8 million) since 23 hours ago


[00:42] <Shinobi> Can a separate front and back end system work well over wifi (g)? Do most people use wifi or hard wire?
[00:57] <tgm4883> Shinobi, for SD it might work. For HD you'll need to connect at N speeds
[01:01] <Shinobi> Are there any good tuners that use regular PCI these days? Or do they all use PCI-E - 1x?
[12:20] <mal> hi there, I'm getting there, I have mythbuntu installed on a frontend and backend setup. I have my other hdd mounted with NFS, but on selecting music to play I see every files listed twice
[13:38] <pedrocr> am I correct in assuming that version 0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93-0ubuntu1 includes all fixes up to 20120802 and thus includes this fix: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/f612576017d1cdd0d2f815dce162cf0fd5310ab0/mythtv
[13:38] <Zinn> [code.mythtv.org] Changeset f61257601 â MythTV
[14:55] <tgm4883> pedrocr, I'm terrible with git, is that fix in the 0.25 fixes branch?
[18:32] <pedrocr> tgm4883, 0.25 fixes yes
[18:32] <tgm4883> pedrocr, then yes it should be in the latest builds
[18:43] <pedrocr> I just got this comment to the bug report: "Perdo, please test the 0.26 beta."
[18:43] <pedrocr> is that packaged anywhere for ubuntu?
[18:48] <pedrocr> I see https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.26 seems to have a version but that doesn't include a mythtv-backend package
[18:48] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] 0.26 : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[18:48] <tgm4883> pedrocr, yes it does
[18:48] <tgm4883> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.26/+packages
[18:48] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Packages in “0.26” : 0.26 : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[18:49] <tgm4883> you're looking at the source package, not the binaries
[18:53] <pedrocr> that's it, thanks
[18:53] <pedrocr> I'll try it then


[00:49] <RAOF> kdub: I'm not sure exactly what you mean in your concern about MIR_SERVER_PLATFORM_MODULE_PATH.
[02:47] <duflu> Hah. Sounds ominous. Mir 0.6.0 "expected" 2 hours ago
[02:47] <duflu> https://launchpad.net/mir/+milestone/0.6.0
[08:21] <duflu> alf_: Oh err, I forgot about the nesting again :)
[08:21] <duflu> I think I'm still wishful it wasn't there
[09:54] <duflu> alf_: Around?
[09:57] <alf_> duflu: yes
[09:58] <duflu> alf_: I'm logging off, but please check if I'm imaginging things: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1340510
[09:58] <duflu> In case it is that easy
[09:58] <duflu> *imagining
[09:58] <alf_> duflu: looking
[10:03] <alf_> duflu: I will have to dig deeper into the logic there, but in any case we still have the problem of the greeter being too slow to render, so we end up drawing the dash simply because we don't have something newer to draw
[10:03] <duflu> alf_: If we avoid telling USC to compose immediately on resume then it will wait till the nested server has a new frame
[10:03] <duflu> I think that's the bug
[10:04] <duflu> Seems pretty simple actually
[10:04] <duflu> So long as we're not masked by other bugs
[10:07] <alf_> duflu: well, one aspect of the stale frame issue is already solved (dropping old buffers from the queue), I will experiment with your suggestion. It may work if unity8 is not redrawing the dash before the greeter.
[10:09] <duflu> OK, I must resist the temptation to hack and log off
[10:10] <alf_> duflu: enjoy your day!
[10:10] <duflu> alf_: The only annoying part is you need to specify in the server config if you are a system compositor expecting nested servers. If not then behave like a nested one (compose_on_start = true)
[10:10] <duflu> I guess a single "bool am_inner_server" would do
[17:08] <alan_g> alf_: (if you're still about) does this make sense? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/fatal-error/+merge/229086