[16:29] <dorukdorkodu> hello! i tried to install lubuntu 20.04 LTS. But I got an error, and installation aborted. I have been using lubuntu for a year. I searched about error message, but couldnt find anything useful. If anyone can help
[16:29] <dorukdorkodu>  I will give details
[16:32] <dorukdorkodu> Hello! i tried to install Lubuntu 20.04 LTS. But I got an error, and installation aborted. I have used Linux before. I searched about error message, but couldnt find anything useful. If anyone can help, I will give details. Can you help me???
[16:38] <cool_skeleton_95> For a while now, I have had major issues with printing on my Brother MFC-J4700W printer.  Sometimes, it works, but other times it does not.  Sometimes when I print from Firefox, the program crashes, but other times it works fine.  When it doesn't work, I see in the "Printer State" section of the properties menu: "Stopped - No destination host name supplied by cups-browsed for printer "Brother_MFC_J470DW", is
[16:38] <cool_skeleton_95> cups-browsed running?".  How can I fix this error?
[16:41] <cool_skeleton_95> After going through the troubleshooter and it said to check the "enable" checkbox.  I did this and it still doesn't work now giving me the error "There was a problem sending document to the printer".
[17:27] <plujon> I recently upgraded to 20.04 LTS.  One thing that has changed since my 18.04 LTS installations is that when I hit Ctrl-Alt-B from within emacs, a new tab in chromium starts.  Why is that and how can I change it?
[17:43] <plujon> Also, what is the name of the desktop environment now?  LXQt?
[17:44] <LimeOn> yes, it is
[17:44] <LimeOn> maybe you could see in th chromium configurationabout the hotkey
[17:46] <plujon> LimeOn: You mean, a setting in chromium itself?
[17:46] <plujon> I'm not sure what you mean by "the chromium configuration about the hotkey"...
[17:47] <LimeOn> yes
[17:47] <LimeOn> enter in the configuration of chromium
[17:47] <LimeOn> maybe theres some keyboard keys option
[17:49] <plujon> LimeOn: Thanks; I see no such keyboard option(s).  Hmm.
[17:49] <plujon> It would surprise me if chromium could configure a global shortcut/hotkey that it would automatically intercept from the desktop session.
[17:54] <plujon> I thought openbox was in charge of hotkeys...
[17:57] <LimeOn> search "shortcut keys"
[17:57] <LimeOn> i found there that Control+Alt+B is what you have said
 Shortcuts in Lubuntu are handle by Openbox and LXQt. You have to check both configurations
[17:59] <LimeOn> "lxqt-config" opens the "control panel", scroll down and you will find "shortcut keys"
[18:02] <plujon> LimeOn: Ah, thanks.
[18:05] <plujon> AKA ~/.config/lxqt/globalkeyshortcuts.conf
[18:09] <plujon> I wonder what "Activate task" means...
[18:10] <plujon> Looks like it switches windows.
[18:16] <plujon> I notice there are 5 terminals to choose from.  I'm accustomed to lxterminal, but don't know what I'm missing.  Are there any reasons to check out the others (qterminal, qterminal (dropdown), UXTerm, XTerm)?
[18:28] <LimeOn> qterminal is the default one in 20.04
[18:28] <LimeOn> lxterminal is from LXDE(the 18.04 lubuntu version if im not wrong)
[18:30] <LimeOn> if i recall correctly, UXterm was in 18.04 too
[19:27] <RyuKurisu[m]> <LimeOn "lxterminal is from LXDE(the 18.0"> Pre 18.10 indeed
[19:30] <LimeOn> i see, package manager said that was from LXDE
[23:16] <x201> Bonsoir
[23:18] <x201> Je viens d'installer Lubuntu sur mon vieu coucou équipé d'un ssd, je voudrais optimiser lubuntu pour mon ssd mais je n'arrive pas à suivre se tuto : http://global-informatique-securite.over-blog.com/2019/04/optimiser-les-disques-ssd-pour-xubuntu-ubuntu-lubuntu-linux-mint.html
[23:18] <wxl> !fr | x201
[23:18] <LimeOn> !fr
[23:18] <x201> Je ne trouve pas les fichier qu'il faut éditer à savoir : http://global-informatique-securite.over-blog.com/2019/04/optimiser-les-disques-ssd-pour-xubuntu-ubuntu-lubuntu-linux-mint.html
[23:20] <x201> LimeOn: wxl[m] ubottu : i am desoled, i parted in ubuntu-fr thinkyou
[23:20] <wxl> x201: none of us speak french, so that's about your only choice unless you can speak english
[23:21] <x201> no problemed manos
[23:23] <LimeOn> x201: you could translate your question from french to english with google translate
[23:23] <LimeOn> and then somebody from here or #ubuntu could help you better(and then you could translate the info to french)
[23:26] <wxl> or deepl.com for that matter


[08:04] <jibel> apw, it should. I'll check it.
[08:30] <jibel> apw, dkms tests are running with 3.12.0-1.3, but they didn't start automatically when the new kernel has been uploaded. I'll fix that.
[08:40] <smb> jibel, Don't expect him to answer any soon. He is in a different wor... err timezone
[08:41] <jibel> smb, np, I didn't expect any, I think i'll read the backscroll :)
[08:42] <smb> jibel, Ok, cool. :)
[11:05] <valentyn> Hello kernel-dev's. I found an IPv6 MTU path discovery bug, reported it to the kernel devs at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:06] <valentyn> ... a patch was devised and David Miller accepted it for inclusion in stable ("queued up for stable")...
[11:07] <valentyn> ... now my question is: do these kinds of patches normally end up in the Ubuntu stable kernel automatically?
[11:08] <valentyn> (I realise that "these kind of" could mean anything - sorry for that)
[11:09] <valentyn> Just checking, in other words, if a bug fix *that has no related Ubuntu kernel bug* will - again, most likely - end up in the Ubuntu kernel.
[11:09] <henrix> valentyn: yes, we monitor the stable mailing list, where Dave sends these patches for the stable trees
[11:10] <henrix> valentyn: but if you provide me a link to this patch (e.g. SHA1 in netdev git), i can keep an eye on it
[11:14] <valentyn> henrix: I wouldn't know where that is. I only have the correspondence on the netdev mailing list :-S
[11:14] <valentyn> http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg254974.html
[11:15] <valentyn> and here http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg254973.html
[11:16] <valentyn> (Sorry, wrong order). But thanks anyway, I have some confidence that this will end up in stable without special care
[11:17] <henrix> valentyn: that's good enough for me ;) i'll add it to my list of patches i'm monitoring
[11:18] <valentyn> Thanks so much :-) Running self compiled kernels in a production environment is sooo 1996 ;-)
[11:18] <henrix> valentyn: btw, the ubuntu kernels are based on upstream stable kernels
[11:19] <henrix> valentyn: so, for ex, our saucy kernel is based on the 3.11 kernel. everything that hits upstream 3.11, will eventually be included in our saucy kernel
[11:21] <valentyn> OK. Well, I'm actually a bit confused by the fact that this rather intrusive MTU issue almost immediately boiled down to a kernel bug that must have been there for 6 months or more. I'm not really into kernel development - just a sysop :)
[11:22] <valentyn> ... which means that I also don't know much about kernel whereabouts, i.e. where does "stable" come from, who patches what etcetera etcetera.
[11:23] <valentyn> Hence my questions. Well, I'll just keep an eye on coming kernel updates and see if I find a changelog entry there.
[11:23] <valentyn> Thanks so far.
[11:23] <henrix> np
[13:43] <diwic> bjf, sconklin: some bugs in the latest sru cycle (e g bug 1236228) are having the "please test or your patch will be dropped" message, but missing the "this came from upstream stable" message
[13:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1236228 in linux (Ubuntu) "Dell vostro 5470 has mono speakers and broken headset mic" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236228
[13:44] <diwic> bjf, sconklin did you forget to run the script that set the upstream patches to verification-done ?
[14:12] <bjf> diwic, i'll look at what happened with that bug but we don't run any such script
[14:13] <bjf> diwic, that's part of a LP process
[14:15] <diwic> bjf, ok, thanks. Also bug 1227093 seems to be affected
[14:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1227093 in linux (Ubuntu) "[haswell sony vaio pro] Internal microphone not working" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227093
[14:44] <bjf> diwic, the patches for those bugs are in the kernel that is in -proposed right now. they "should" get closed when that kernel go to -updates
[14:46]  * ppisati -> out for a bit
[14:47] <diwic> bjf, sure. I'm just used to have this "this patch came from upstream stable and do not require verification", which usually follows right after the other message
[14:47] <diwic> bjf, it's that message that seems to be missing here for some reason
[14:47] <bjf> diwic, ok, let me check that
[14:52] <bjf> diwic, that commit came from upstream stable with the buglink. that's why it got spam'd with the request for verification
[14:52] <bjf> diwic, the right way to handle those is to change the verification-needed-saucy to verification-done-saucy
[14:55] <hallyn_> could someone please confirm in bug 1021271 that my last comment is accurate - about the best way to get HWE kernel on a precise box?
[14:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1021271 in linux (Ubuntu) "KVM "enabling virtualization on CPU0 failed"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021271
[14:59] <bjf> hallyn_, it should be linux-generic-lts-<series> to get the headers as well as the kernel
[15:02] <hallyn_> bjf: thanks, commented in the bug
[15:03] <diwic> bjf, hmm, I'm looking through bugs to show you what message I'm talking about, but I can't find it. Maybe it's added individually by kernel team members
[15:07] <bjf> diwic, i know that I've added that message in the past by hand
[15:07] <bjf> diwic, i saw the one you added and it looked almost exactly like what i would have done
[15:08] <diwic> bjf, ok, thanks for the clarification
[15:08] <bjf> diwic, np. it's hard to remember what gets done by computer bots and what gets done by human bots
[15:09] <diwic> bjf, heh, true
[15:16] <smb> hallyn_, Seems I can run kvm on my 4850e ok (precise kernel). Can try on an Opteron in a bit.
[15:17] <apw> jamespage, openvswitch ... after our conv. last week I think we decided that that one is all in the main kernel, are you able to test the kernel in the ckt PPA and tell us that it is sufficient; and will you be handling deprecating that dkms package.
[15:18] <jamespage> apw, I will be able to test and I'll deal with deprecating the dkms package as well
[15:18] <jamespage> apw, but after next week
[15:22] <hallyn_> smb: heck it could be a bad bit in his bios - if another kernel works, then all the better.
[15:24] <smb> hallyn_, Could be a BIOS bug or iommu problem when other virt solution modules (like virtualbox are loaded). Reading through this: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/5639
[15:27] <hallyn_> yeah but he insists he doesn't have virtualbox
[15:27] <hallyn_> newer kernels don't mind vbox enabled so another reason to jsut have him upgrade :)
[15:28] <smb> hallyn_, Surely cannot harm
[16:10] <smb> hallyn_, Just for the fun of it, Precise kernel and Opteron 6128, kvm works. And that one has at least support for nested paging and an Amd-Vi (iommu) (If they have not actually been using Amd-V meaning virtualization...)
[16:13] <hallyn_> his was what, a 4800?  i don't really know what their model #s mean :)
[16:38] <smb> hallyn_, Me neither. Just saw they had a message about nested page table support.. :)
[18:49] <rtg> jamespage, do we need iscsitarget_dkms in trusty?


[00:22] <dijenerate> hi guys
[00:23] <dijenerate> GrueMaster: howdy
[00:23] <GrueMaster> hey.
[00:24] <dijenerate> question, is the tiny atom based prototype you have about the size of a nokia N800?
[00:25] <GrueMaster> very close.
[00:25] <dijenerate> and the power requirements are also close
[00:25] <GrueMaster> not sure.  I have no specs on the system.
[00:26] <GrueMaster> Other than it uses atom and i'm running Linux on it.
[00:26] <dijenerate> so atom based systems can technically fit into the same footprint as 'arm' based PDAs
[00:26] <GrueMaster> getting there, yes.
[00:27] <dijenerate> 'almost'
[00:28] <GrueMaster> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/02/video-lenovos-ideapad-u8-mid-teases-with-intels-atom/
[00:28] <dijenerate> I just saw the Aigo MID unboxing video and realized the battery is a 3.7V 2700MaH that manages to last 2.5hrs on an x86 machine
[00:28] <GrueMaster> That's one sample.
[00:28] <dijenerate> I think I've found the point of the Centrino Atom!
[00:40] <dijenerate> only question now is, can they run completely enclosed like 'arm' systems can?
[00:41] <dijenerate> or do they still have 'stalker' fans
[00:41] <dijenerate> lol
[00:43] <GrueMaster> The unit I have has a very small fan on it that only kicks in under load.  Yea, it's warmer than a PDA, but considering the technology, it's not bad.
[00:46] <dijenerate> does it support AMD64 instructions like the Core2 does?
[00:46] <dijenerate> CPU-Z reports the Atom as a Core2 Silverthorne
[00:47] <GrueMaster> no.  YOu hardly need it for desktop, why would you want it now for a unit the size of a psp?
[00:49] <GrueMaster> The main benifit to x86-64 is memory addressing.  SO-Dimms aren't that small yet.
[00:55] <dijenerate> ok
[00:55] <dijenerate> the CPU is really a lot of smoke and mirrors when compared to a desktop CPU
[00:56] <dijenerate> like being unable to handle rvmb encoded files at 644 x 488 881kbps without CPU usage hitting 100%
[00:58] <dijenerate> but an mpeg4 avi at 512x388 25fps 539kbps plays smoothly at 40~50% CPU usage
[00:58] <GrueMaster> what is rvmb?
[00:59] <dijenerate> that makes no sense mathematically considering what each format requires of the CPU but when you consider that there are dedicated mpeg4 decoding registers in the silverthorne
[00:59] <GrueMaster> And do you have any sample videos?
[00:59] <dijenerate> along with mp3, mpeg2 and mpeg1 among others, the plot thickens
[00:59] <dijenerate> real one HD format
[00:59] <GrueMaster> I've been playing some of the 1080i VC1 videos from Microsoft, and they look great.  10% cpu usage.
[00:59] <GrueMaster> Mainly for i/o
[01:01] <dijenerate> dedicated registers
[01:01] <GrueMaster> yep.
[01:01] <dijenerate> supporting flash etc
[01:01] <dijenerate> so the main CPU registers don't have to do the math
[01:01] <dijenerate> that is cheating tho'
[01:02] <GrueMaster> How?  Most video cards do hardware decoding.
[01:02] <GrueMaster> nVidia and ATI both do that.
[01:02] <dijenerate> gives good looking results when running layman demos, that and using the Centrino name seems a bit dishonest
[01:02] <GrueMaster> Centrino Atom.  There's a difference.
[01:03] <GrueMaster> Centrino is a name that defines a wireless mobile platform.
[01:03] <dijenerate> yes because it makes sense to save energy
[01:03] <dijenerate> but not because the video card's GPU can't do it
[01:03] <GrueMaster> And that is a bad thing?
[01:04] <dijenerate> but in this case the Atom can't
[01:04] <GrueMaster> Can't what?
[01:04] <GrueMaster> Last fall when I only had 2D drivers and software decoders, I could still do 1080i video, just with higher cpu utilization.
[01:04] <dijenerate> yeah, originally, but users of the old Centrino line have come to expect a certain amount of performance... intel is banking on that
[01:05] <dijenerate> it's not the graphics chipset I'm talking about
[01:05] <GrueMaster> Again, for what?  YOu are assuming this is for high performance computing, which it is not.
[01:06] <dijenerate> the CPU can't handle it
[01:06] <dijenerate> if it had to do it conventionally, it would shoot up to 100% in no time
[01:06] <dijenerate> but there is a specific application I can think of that can benefit from the Atom
[01:06] <dijenerate> because of how close it is to the 'arm' platform
[01:07] <GrueMaster> With the wireless world, one of the design ideas for this is as a remote terminal.  If you are travelling and you need to do some high powered number crunching, you can remote into your desktop system at home or work.
[01:07] <dijenerate> I know, you have said this before, but a celeron is not for high performance computing either and still outperforms this
[01:07] <dijenerate> which means that you could just as easily go 'arm'
[01:07] <GrueMaster> But how many Centrino platforms do you see today that can perform like a cell phone?
[01:07] <dijenerate> this is where I have the conflict...
[01:08] <dijenerate> it does everything 'arm' already does but can't do the things that x86 has done for ages without 'cheats' like dedicated registers
[01:08] <GrueMaster> Have you seen the video on moblin.org?  While the systems in the video are mostly mockups, they are pretty close.
[01:09] <dijenerate> so if it isn't intended for high performance computing 'read: x86's domain' why not just use 'arm'
[01:10] <GrueMaster> One of the issues with arm is the total web experience.  currently, there are ~12% of the plugins needed for most web sites available to arm, whereas there is ~80% available to x86 Linux.
[01:11] <dijenerate> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIymS3YdOo
[01:12] <GrueMaster> Also, try running Linux AND windows on an arm simultaneously.
[01:12] <dijenerate> this shows up the dedicated registers since there are none for the real video
[01:12] <GrueMaster> Of course, no one in this forum cares about windows.
[01:12] <dijenerate> we can see how weak the atom really is
[01:13] <dijenerate> that is a good point
[01:13] <dijenerate> so for x86 plugin support yes it is good
[01:13] <GrueMaster> But again, you are leaving power out of the equation.
[01:14] <dijenerate> but since the days when I did zaurus development, I wondered why plugins weren't just ported to 'arm'
[01:14] <GrueMaster> The lowest powered mobile processor is currently ~25w.  This is ~3w.
[01:14] <dijenerate> they were ported to powerpc
[01:14] <dijenerate> my core solo is ~5W
[01:14] <dijenerate> what are you talking about
[01:14] <dijenerate> and the C7M is 7W
[01:15] <dijenerate> the AMD geode is somewhere in that vicinity as well
[01:15] <GrueMaster> The AMD is under powered in comparison.  I have seen those benchmarks.
[01:15] <dijenerate> actually the Geode is a good example of what low power x86 should look like
[01:15] <dijenerate> it's also very old
[01:16] <GrueMaster> at any rate, it's beer time here on a hot Friday afternoon.
[01:16] <dijenerate> so unless the atom blows it away, the comparison is something for intel to be ashamed of
[01:16] <dijenerate> ok, np
[01:16] <dijenerate> thanks for the time to discuss this with me
[01:16] <dijenerate> ttyl
[01:16] <dijenerate> !taking
[01:17] <GrueMaster> Not necessarily.  The Atom is a partial core redesign, which means it almost is completely new architecture.
[01:17] <GrueMaster> Not bad for a first attempt.
[01:18] <GrueMaster> And I've been working with Intel processors since the first P6.  I know how they can be.
[01:18] <GrueMaster> later.
[01:19] <dijenerate> thing is intel hasn't really done a 'from scratch' core design since the Pentium M days, and now they licence AMD's tech, I have little respect for them these days
[01:19] <dijenerate> so most of these 'new' processors don't count as first attempts in my books
[01:19] <dijenerate> innovation begins with A these days not I
[01:20] <dijenerate> what intel has over AMD is way better marketing, they are so good they even believe their own hype
[02:07] <dijenerate> silly question, what's the difference between the menlow crownbeach and the standard menlow image
[02:08] <dijenerate> I'm having this random looping problem with menlow when i try to run it on a core solo GMA950 based device
[17:44] <Zic> lool: ping
[17:53] <Zic> (it does not concern directly Ubuntu Mobile, if you can query me when you are here, it will be cool :))


[01:49] <ScottK> We'll be wanting http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-1-0rc3-released/
[11:12] <sheytan> Hey
[11:13] <sheytan> do we have pim packages for maveric?
[11:13] <sheytan> the new akonadi based pim
[11:15] <Riddell> sheytan: yes, in experimental
[11:16] <sheytan> Riddell you mean experimental repo, right?
[11:16] <sheytan> if yes, can you link it ;)
[11:17] <ulysses> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[11:17] <sheytan> ulyssess thank you :)
[12:36] <nigelb> apachelogger: poke?
[12:36] <nigelb> apachelogger: is there a way to make cia bot report only the commits that are pushed?
[12:37] <nigelb> (seeing that you folks use it extensively :) )
[12:40] <apachelogger> nigelb: no
[12:40] <apachelogger> well
[12:40] <apachelogger> technically
[12:40] <apachelogger> but that should be done on the launchpad side of things
[12:40] <apachelogger> ...
[12:42] <nigelb> apachelogger: Oh, thank you :)
[13:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: anime ... but still no youtube :(
[13:37] <apachelogger> there is some silly server-side-session-authentication stuff going on that does not play well with qtwebkit obtaining the URL but vlc trying to access it :S
[13:37] <Riddell> hmm, that's annoying
[13:38] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/E5rVe
[13:38] <apachelogger> but audio && video && webm video is working
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: so what do we do about rekonq? should we revisit the discussion?
[13:45]  * apachelogger still thinks konqueror with qtwebkit would be the better choice if it must be qtwebkit
[13:46] <debfx> apachelogger: does rekonq still randomly crash?
[13:46] <apachelogger> debfx: not as often as before, but still way too often
[13:49]  * shadeslayer pokes JontheEchidna with muon stick
[13:49] <shadeslayer> dude.... muon fails at authentication :(
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> x_o
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: you said kpackagekit did too, right?
[13:50] <debfx> apachelogger: the crashes aren't reproducible?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: apparently kpk now auths :P
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> well it's a polkit-kde-1 bug anyways. Nothing I can do
[13:50] <apachelogger> debfx: not really
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: does it give you a password dialog and fail to accept the password?
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> or just instafail?
[13:51]  * apachelogger is wondering how long dell needs to process a order :O
[13:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: theres *no* password dialog et all
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: as in delivery?
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah. polkit-kde-1 bug in that case
[13:51] <apachelogger> no
[13:51] <shadeslayer> or just processing the order and getting back
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> it can't communicate with the polkit daemon or something
[13:52] <apachelogger> as in actually acknowledging the order
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: is there a polkit-kde-auth process running?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yes
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well.. if you ordered beyong their buisness hours, then next working buisness day
[13:53] <shadeslayer> *beyond
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: try killing it and restarting with /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1
[13:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: almost 48h now
[13:55] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nope, nothing
[13:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :O
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also... dont get a dell :P
[13:56] <shadeslayer> try and avoid it ;
[13:56] <apachelogger> honest to god I would rather avoid all the crap out there
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: welp, not much I can tell you. it's a polkit-kde bug. kpackagekit users have randomly seen it since jaunty (kde bug 246346)
[13:56] <shadeslayer> and if you DO get one... get 3 years of warranty
[13:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: lets see
[13:57]  * apachelogger should have gotten a business machine from hp and be happy and not have to wait days for them to process an order
[13:59] <debfx> apachelogger: have your ordered it online?
[13:59] <apachelogger> yes
[14:01] <debfx> in my experience ordering by phone is better with dell
[14:02] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: call them :P
[14:02] <shadeslayer> and skream, then you might get a discount
[14:03] <apachelogger> I shall do so
[14:03] <shadeslayer> no seriously, they might just give you a discount :P
[14:13] <CIA-71> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1165481 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp compile++
[14:48] <Riddell> agateau: nice to see the blog on planet kde that KDE visualnotifications will query if notify-osd or whatever can handle actions now
[14:48] <CIA-71> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1165502 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.cpp Actually fix bug 248376 I had accidentally committed some unrelated Muon changes, thinking I had committed this set. CCBUG:BUG:248376
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: yep, this thing moved during akademy
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: my work is not lost after all
[15:14] <Quintasan> what on earth
[15:14] <Quintasan> my internet is unusable
[15:50]  * shadeslayer looks for testers
[15:50] <Riddell> what for shadeslayer?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: k3b patch + new k3b package from kde bug 238819
[15:51] <Riddell> where is it?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: building on my pbuilder, will upload to ppa
[15:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: pong
[16:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: yo, I need to fill in your evaluation
[16:07] <Riddell> where can i find your tar of bits again?
[16:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Harald_Sitter.tar.gz
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: how are the "upstream" merges doing?
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: syncdaemon was rejected because the token lookup is going to move to ubuntu-sso-client
[16:09] <apachelogger> desktopcouch is still pending
[16:10] <apachelogger> come to think of it, I still need to justify stuff, because I need to make my points multiple times because upstream lacks a mailing list -.-
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ho hum, new k3b @ https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[16:22] <shadeslayer> when lp process the build and builds it...
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do with u1-kde?
[16:23]  * apachelogger does not think that including it makes much sense without dedicated maintainer since upstream is an always moving target
[16:23]  * apachelogger notes that he does not want to take on maintainership
[16:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maintainership as in  the coding part?
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> ^they should just hire you to do it already :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yep, keeping up with what changes in the syncdaemon
[16:25] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: then I probably could not move to owncloud ;)
[16:26]  * apachelogger cleans up his phonon-vlc changes so he can commit them soonish
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: any insight on to why germinate wants to do this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/480474/
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> nvm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.maverick/revision/1547 (and 1546)
[16:45] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: does rekonq from daily ppa work for you?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: around?
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: hum, without a maintainer it'll probably not get anywhere :(
[16:53] <apachelogger> yeah, but it really needs someone who stays on top of what the ubuntuone people do and that requires more dedication than I am willing to give (considering how time consuming interaction with upstream is)
[16:54] <apachelogger> also I think from a scalability POV owncloud could easily become more intersting for Kubuntu at large as I do not see the ubuntuone client spare a lowlevel system (think mobile) without rewrite in C or C++
[16:55] <apachelogger> so what owncloud ultimately could archive is hook up with akonadi (essentially implement another akonadi storage on the server side I suppose) and thus provide synchronization at larger scale than u1
[16:56]  * apachelogger dreaming that is ^^
[16:59] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yeah I giess :)
[16:59] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: does it pull in kde 4.5 ?
[17:00] <shadeslayer> The program 'apt' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
[17:00] <shadeslayer> right ^^
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: should I pass or fail you?
[17:05] <apachelogger> lol
[17:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: pass pretty please ... I promise cookies and some good wine ;)
[17:06] <Riddell> it's a deal, passed
[17:06] <Riddell> congratulations
[17:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you do a blog to summarise your project experiences and outcomes?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> haha :P
[17:07] <maco> apachelogger: aww i hope it keeps going...
[17:07]  * shadeslayer kongrats apachelogger
[17:07] <maco> er...not that ive managed to make it actually sync anything at all yet
[17:07] <shadeslayer> maco: works for me on maverick :P
[17:07] <maco> im on maverick
[17:08] <maco> on all my systems
[17:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did you add to dpkg --compare-versions to echo the result?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> maco: :O
[17:08] <maco> every time they start up they go "oh you need to auth!" and then ask "do you want to add this computer to your U1 account?"
[17:08] <maco> and then i think "well, i've added you 5 times already, but i guess it wouldnt hurt to add you a 6th time"
[17:08] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:09] <shadeslayer> works for me everytime here
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: echo $?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> oh theres ? after $
[17:10] <apachelogger> $? is a variable of bash
[17:10] <apachelogger> or really any shell
[17:10] <apachelogger> also most interpreter languages have it
[17:11] <maco> shadeslayer: the only thing that sync'd for me was tomboy...
[17:11] <maco> er well..it pushed stuff to u1 web thing
[17:11] <maco> i dont have tomboy on my other machines so hasnt pulled
[17:11] <shadeslayer> oxymoron:  bulldog98 ok, so now, im going to rename the rekonq daily package, im keeping the old packages in the ppa, but im making a new package rekonq-daily which conflicts with norma rekonq
[17:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: cheers .... sure, actually I am wondering since monday on what to blog in particular ^^
[17:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bgMGdtBG << dude, kdepimlibs doesnt compile on maverick, i haz the akonadi 1.4 from packages
[17:13] <shadeslayer> oh man
[17:13] <shadeslayer> i think kdesupport didnt compile akonadi
[17:13] <apachelogger> maco: :O check that you actually granted access to kwallet to all U1/Ubuntu SSO components
[17:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: what can you do with the code today, what still needs to be done to make it a work of perfection, how you found working with upstream KDE and Canonical, how you found working with me and Kubuntu
[17:14] <apachelogger> in systemsettings' wallet config thingy you can list all authorized apps
[17:14] <txwikinger> something in the 10.04.1 release deleted my panels
[17:14] <apachelogger> if the apps are not authorized it will fail silently
[17:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: what were the coding challenges and how you overcame them
[17:14] <apachelogger> something that really ought to change I think
[17:14] <apachelogger> always these interviews
[17:15] <maco> apachelogger: i think i did. ubuntu sso asks me to unlock kwallet even before knm does. ive hit "allow always" on every ubuntu one / ubuntu sso / syncdaemon / well, everything that's ever asked...
[17:16] <maco> my kubuntu vm at work seems to work fine... it downloaded contents of ~/Ubuntu\ One/  but my laptops don't
[17:18] <maco> or rather, it worked fine at least once ;-)
[17:18] <maco> apachelogger: http://mackenzie.morgan.name/tmp/firefox_customised1.png <-- see the statusnotifier's icon? thats how it looks on all my systems. connect never succeeds
[17:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: you can... access the ubuntuone REST api in every readonly fashion and hence display information about the user's account, subscription, authorized devices and couchdb ... display the state of files regarding syncroniztaion and up/download need (if an .ubuntuone file is present and the dolphin plugin active) ... write client implementations that access the UbuntuOne SyncDaemon using a KDE library, this includes but is not limited
[17:18] <apachelogger>  to managing shares and folders as well as throttling settings ... enhance aforementioned library by more functions without much hassle since currently all of the syncdaemon's dbus interfaces are introspected (i.e. Qt Dbus interfaces are created an one just needs to enhance the KDE library to expose the appropriate interfaces)
[17:19] <apachelogger> ...
[17:20] <maco> dolphin plugin?
[17:20] <maco> dolphin has plugins?
[17:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: ... write status tracking/controlling interfaces such as plasmoids ... tack the status and control the syncdaemon using the included statusnotifier ... configure and manage various aspects of ubuntuone using the KCM ... display information in KInfoCenter using the other part of the KCM ... authenticate via Ubuntu SSO to ubuntuone and technicaly any other service that is linked to Ubuntu SSO
[17:21]  * apachelogger thinks that is about it
[17:21] <maco> oooo
[17:22] <maco> "version control systems"  ... im not sure id think of U1 as a VCS, but... does this imply a bzr plugin and a "Commit" button could be made? O_O
[17:22]  * txwikinger wants to write a dolphin plugin
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is missing for perfection is more configuration settings in the KCMs ... proper dolphin plugin ... adapting the Qt Ubuntu SSO client to the new upstream foo they are doing
[17:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you pasting your blog to me?
[17:23] <apachelogger> no :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> you asked :P
[17:23] <txwikinger> Is there anywhere a howto for writing a kate plugin?
[17:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: I asked you to blog :)
[17:24] <apachelogger> oh
[17:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: I thought it was general interview ^^
[17:24] <apachelogger> oh wellz, now I actually know what to start my blog with :D
[17:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: sry
[17:25] <Riddell> well it is but may as well make the results publicly available through the medium of blogging :)
[17:25] <shadeslayer> maco: wth is that ugly browser thingy
[17:25] <apachelogger> maco: well, if you look at the API there are not a lot of differences between u1 and a VCS
[17:25] <maco> shadeslayer: thats firefox :P
[17:25] <maco> shadeslayer: with vertical space used by not-the-webpage minimised
[17:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: so shall I continue pasting my blog? :P
[17:26] <shadeslayer> wow... i never would have imagined.. FF is certainly going down the drain with its designs
[17:26] <maco> shadeslayer: huh? i did that
[17:26] <apachelogger> txwikinger: looking at the other plugins I suppose
[17:26] <shadeslayer> i guess people only keep it because of plugins :D
[17:26] <apachelogger> txwikinger: or maybe the apidox help
[17:26] <shadeslayer> maco: the design?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> :o
[17:27] <maco> shadeslayer: the layout of the widgets?
[17:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are compiling kdepimlibs trunk
[17:27] <apachelogger> not 4.5
[17:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, seems my kdesupport is out of date
[17:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: naw I'll read it in blog form
[17:27] <shadeslayer> in just over a day
[17:27] <txwikinger> KDE needs better documentation
[17:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok ^^
[17:27] <apachelogger> txwikinger: feel free to get cracking on that
[17:28] <maco> shadeslayer: all-in-one sidebar to get rid of the bookmarks toolbar and store things in the far side, tabkit to get tabs over the side since screens are too darned short these days (but far too wide) and so i can have a tree of tabs (those coloured ones expand), and edited the toolbars to put all the navigation stuff in menubar so vertical space isnt wasted
[17:28]  * Riddell notes that qimageblitz needs an update if anyone wants to do some packaging
[17:28]  * apachelogger found it terribly difficult to document his library foo because it was abstract stuff
[17:28] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I would if I had the knowledge.. but I don't that's why I am looking for some
[17:28] <shadeslayer> also my permissions are screwed up
[17:28] <apachelogger> txwikinger: inspect the stuff and write dox for it :)
[17:28] <apachelogger> I am sure that is what most before you did
[17:28] <apachelogger> just that no one bothered to write it down it seems
[17:28] <shadeslayer> maco: i just use plain old chromium daily builds :)
[17:29]  * apachelogger uses the plain old konqueror with dragon ball inside ^^
[17:29] <txwikinger> apachelogger: yeah.. and then I blog about it
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean rekonq? :P
[17:29] <maco> shadeslayer: can i put the tabs on the side in a tree layout with chromium?
[17:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: konqueror
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rekonq it is!
[17:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:30]  * apachelogger uses rekonq for debugging though
[17:30] <shadeslayer> maco: no :(
[17:30] <apachelogger> killall konqueror turns out bad if I have qt docs open in one instance of it :P
[17:30] <shadeslayer> i have loads of screen space tho :D
[17:30] <maco> apachelogger: what does the dolphin plugin do?
[17:30] <apachelogger> while killall rekonq only executes the unavoidable
[17:30] <shadeslayer> maco: you can iconise the tabs
[17:30] <maco> apachelogger: i enabled it and restarted dolphin like it said...and i dont see a change
[17:30] <apachelogger> maco: display whether the file is up-to-date
[17:30] <maco> ah
[17:30] <maco> ok
[17:30] <apachelogger> maco: you need .ubuntuone file
[17:30] <apachelogger> see my first mail about ubuntuone to the kubuntu list
[17:31] <apachelogger> so
[17:31] <maco> apachelogger: even in ~/Ubuntu\ One/ ?
[17:31] <apachelogger> yes
[17:31] <apachelogger> that is how those silly plugins work
[17:31] <shadeslayer> maco: http://imgur.com/pXjmQ << see first 2 tabs
[17:31]  * maco was hoping it added a "share with U1!" button to properties -> sharing
[17:31] <apachelogger> dolphin will not delegate the view to the plugin unless such a thingy is there
[17:31] <apachelogger> hm
[17:31] <maco> shadeslayer: i like mine better. you still have a tab row
[17:31] <apachelogger> maco: I think I ran into thread problems there
[17:32] <maco> oh
[17:32] <shadeslayer> maco: a tiny tab row.. takes up about 0.5 cm i guess
[17:32]  * apachelogger prepares phonon-vlc commit that adds him to the AUTHORS file :P
[17:32]  * apachelogger schedules blogging after that
[17:33] <apachelogger> maco: that said, it is possible to add entries, but I just did not bother because the current api has obvious shortcomings that first need to be resolved anyway
[17:33] <apachelogger> like that .ubuntuone file
[17:33] <apachelogger> (which btw will then get sycned to the cloud ;))
[17:33] <maco> ok
[17:33] <maco> haha
[17:39] <apachelogger> one more change between the world and qtwebkit <video> with vlc backend ^^
[17:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: with me being sucked into phonon-vlc it will truely become the most superior backend by 11.04 ;)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> sheytan: amazing wallpaper, but lose the loading dots at the bottom :P
[17:40] <apachelogger> the i looks alien IMHO
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ofirk: 'lo
[17:49] <ofirk> shadeslayer: hi :)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please upload k3b from : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[18:01] <shadeslayer> k3b settings now work : http://imgur.com/qYMmT
[18:02] <shadeslayer> or if anyone else is free :D
[18:06] <sheytan> shadeslayer, sure, extra for you :)
[18:06] <sheytan> and thank you :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:34] <shadeslayer> also.. i claimz the choqok 0.9.85
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: around?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> meh nvm
[18:52] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://madsheytan.deviantart.com/art/iKubuntu2-175986713
[18:53] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:53]  * shadeslayer hugs sheytan
[18:53] <sheytan> welcome ;)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> sheytan: upload to kde-look too, if you havent already
[18:58] <sheytan> shadeslayer will do.  Only 300k and i have to remake one ;)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> yeah :(
[19:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new choqok @ https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental : only a bug fix release, ( 0.9.81 to 0.9.85 )
[19:08] <apachelogger> my compositing is completely broken
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you want me to quickly backport rekonq 0.5 to kubuntu ppa?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> and if you can please upload k3b and choqok
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am blogging by request of master jr
[19:11] <shadeslayer> alright :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> uh
[19:13] <apachelogger> there is a ui issue in the info kcm
[19:13] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[19:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw it would be nice if the ubuntuone notifier in systray showed how much of a particular file has been uploaded
[19:14] <shadeslayer> just a thought...
[19:15] <apachelogger> holy frog
[19:16]  * apachelogger gets the most horrible rendering issues
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: information not available IIRC
[19:16] <shadeslayer> wth :/
[19:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whom should i blame?
[19:16] <apachelogger> #ubuntuone
[19:16] <shadeslayer> #ubuntuone-- then
[19:17] <shadeslayer> or
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ~ubuntuone()
[19:17] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha :P
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: never evar call a dtor manually
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you get free please upload k3b and choqok, k3b has critical fix to bug 596926
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whai?
[19:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you cano upload choqok?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> nope
[19:26] <shadeslayer> its in main and im only kubuntu member :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> oh
[19:26] <apachelogger> to maverick
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> that needs a feature freeze exception supposedly
[19:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its a bugfix release afaik
[19:26] <apachelogger> afaik is not good enough
[19:26] <shadeslayer> 0.9.81 to 0.9.85
[19:26] <apachelogger> that does not sound bugfix only
[19:28] <shadeslayer> bah ... there was 0.9.81 release 'officially;
[19:28] <shadeslayer> and i cant even diff the changelogs :/
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ill file request tomorrow then
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger Quintasan small update on neon, we wont have maverick builds for a few days, cause :  bug 617072
[19:37] <shadeslayer> anyways im off to sleep
[19:37] <shadeslayer> cya laters
[20:43] <sheytan> apachelogger any hope to expect a backport of u1 for lucid? :)
[20:59] <nixternal> anyone successfully getting kubuntu-netbook installed with the latest maverick iso's?
[20:59] <nixternal> successfully I mean out of the box of course, not having to force feed grub
[21:02] <nixternal> that wasn't the minimize button :/
[21:13] <ScottK> nixternal: There's no netbook ISO anymore.  What are you installing?
[21:18] <nixternal> from the desktop cd
[21:18] <nixternal> it just boots to 'grub rescue>' after install
[21:23] <nixternal> another weird thing I am noticing. using usb-creator, when i boot from usb stick, it complains about not finding a config file and puts me at the boot: prompt. if I hit enter, nothing happens, so I have to type 'help' to get to the help prompt and when I hit enter in there it boots fine
[21:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: rather impossible since they made incompatible changes to the under-the-hood stuff
[21:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: ^
[21:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sry
[21:35] <nixternal> the installer isn't working when I try from usb install for netbook...it doesn't config username and what not
[21:42] <nixternal> does anyone have issues installing mav netbook? this is driving me up a wall...
[21:42] <nixternal> don't know if it is the iso, usb-creator, ubiquity, who knows...
[21:58] <nixternal> oh, i love it when i do that. yeah, lets see if i can install netbook from an amd64 desktop version....derrrr...way to many iso's downloaded here
[22:02] <Riddell> that's unlikely to work nixternal
[22:02] <nixternal> hehe, you think?
[22:04] <nixternal> if this install doesn't work, i am throwing my netbook at the first person i see using an iPhone
[22:09] <nixternal> "Unknown keyword in configuration file."  <- this thing will just not go away
[22:10] <sheytan> we're getting there step by step http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4219/screenshot55n.png :)
[22:10] <sheytan> this not a mockup anymore :D
[22:11] <Riddell> sheytan: who's we?  you and ofirk?
[22:11] <ScottK> nixternal: I know Riddell's working on some significant Ubiquity changes.
[22:11] <sheytan> Riddell yep :)
[22:12] <ofirk> emyller is working on the js side
[22:12] <nixternal> ScottK: i am trying alpha3 now. did netbook install properly with alpha3? i am now trying a new usb stick and seeing if that might be the case
[22:12] <ScottK> Should have, but I didn't test it myself.
[22:12] <nixternal> this 'Unknown keyword in configuration file' is what I get when trying to boot from usb
[22:12] <nixternal> leaves me at the boot: prompt
[22:13] <Riddell> alpha3 should be fine
[22:20] <nixternal> ooh, looking promising. had to remove 'ui' from the syslinux.cfg file on the usb stick...noted bug in usb-creator and syslinux
[22:21] <nixternal> back later...need to finish this install and head out for the last few remaining days of my vacation :)
[23:10] <yuriy_work> Nightrose: is that a Staubli robot??
[23:10] <Nightrose> yuriy_work: jep :)
[23:10] <yuriy_work> Nightrose: cool! I'm working with one just like it right now
[23:11] <Nightrose> haha cool
[23:11] <yuriy_work> except this one's for moving silicon wafers around
[23:11] <Nightrose> :D
[23:11] <Nightrose> nice
[23:11] <yuriy_work> made a Blender model of it for a GUI
[23:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: FFFFFF
[23:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Don
[23:45] <Quintasan> Don't you have birthday today?
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> in 2 days
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:45] <Quintasan> silly JontheEchidna
[23:46] <Quintasan> putting wrong date in Skype and Facebook :P
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> ?
[23:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: my phone and Skype started jumping saying "w00t JontheEchidna has birthday"
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopxy1550
[23:48] <Quintasan> hell
[23:48] <Quintasan> Is my clock borked?
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> today is the 19th, yes?
[23:49] <Quintasan> Hmm, its 49 minutes past midnight here
[23:49] <Quintasan> so 20th
[23:49] <Quintasan> ...
[23:49] <Quintasan> No wonder
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopfv1550
[23:50] <Quintasan> My phone has "use provider's date and time"
[23:50] <Quintasan> and it's 21st theree
[23:50] <Quintasan> seriously
[23:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: That's what you get for living in Poland
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:51] <Quintasan> in summer we are GMT +2 and the rest of the year we are GMT+1
[23:52] <Quintasan> our cell carriers have broken calendars
[23:52] <Quintasan> and my ISP uses cables from commies and they can't give me better internetz than 2Mbps blaming infrastructure
[23:53] <Quintasan> brr
[23:53] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: better internets in your place?
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I have 1.5 Mbps, but if we wanted to drop the dough we could get faster
[23:55] <Quintasan> Hah, I wanted 20Mbps but they lol'd @ me and blamed infrastructure which haven't been modernized since when commies were in Poland
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:55] <Quintasan> but a stupid village not even kilometer from my home has better cables
[23:55] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:55] <Quintasan> those that use lightbeams
[23:56] <Quintasan> how it was called, damn
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> fiber optic, I think
[23:56] <Quintasan> oh
[23:56] <Quintasan> fiber optic cables
[23:56] <Quintasan> yeah, so one km away they have it but I can't lol
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> we only had what the cable television provider had until recently
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> I don't think we could've gotten 20 until recently
[23:57] <Quintasan> Still, this town is pretty meh
[23:58] <Quintasan> I want to move to a bigger one if I manage to go to uni


[00:53] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:54] <cmaloney> We'll be starting the meeting in about 5 minutes
[00:57] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/915/detail/ <- Meeting notes
[00:59] <jrwren> Lucid EOL announce.
[00:59] <jrwren> First meeting in a post Lucid world :)
[00:59] <cmaloney> Yep.
[00:59] <cmaloney> Let's get started
[01:02] <cmaloney> So the first item is we're also in a post-penguicon release party world
[01:04] <cmaloney> I'm hoping to get the photos up online soon now.
[01:04] <cmaloney> But suffice to say it was quite awesome to see everyone out there.
[01:05] <cmaloney> Not sure if there's anything else coming up event-wise so if somoene has something please post it to the mailing list
[01:08] <cmaloney> That's all I have for now
[01:08] <cmaloney> anyone have anything else?
[01:09] <cmaloney> Will hold the floor open until around 10pm
[01:09] <cmaloney> but if not hope you have a great May. :)
[01:10] <jrwren> tomorrow morning: http://ubuntuonair.com
[01:12] <cmaloney> oh, right
[01:12] <cmaloney> Ubuntu Online summit approacheth tomorrow
[01:20] <_stink_> present!
[12:00] <cmaloney> mooing
[12:01] <rick_h_> moooooning?
[12:01] <cmaloney> moo
[12:01] <jrwren> i'm counting down.
[12:01] <jrwren> 2hrs
[12:01] <rick_h_> heh same here
[12:01] <rick_h_> window open with countdown timer
[12:02] <rick_h_> here's hoping for wraskally wabbit
[12:02] <cmaloney> heh
[12:03] <cmaloney> doubtful as warner would have a fit
[12:04] <jrwren> the youtube window or http://itsalmo.st/#markskeynote ? :)
[12:04] <jrwren> oh man, wraskally wabbitt would be hilarious
[12:04] <rick_h_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22507/mark-shuttleworths-pre-uos-keynote-and-qa/
[13:17] <cmaloney> Too bad Youtube broke my Logitech Squeezebox plugin. I wouldn't mind listening in via the Squeezebox.
[13:18] <cmaloney> Huh, apparently I can use it.
[13:18] <cmaloney> Interesting
[13:19] <rick_h_> cmaloney: cool, I saw something squeezebox related the other day and thought of you with it.
[13:19] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:19] <cmaloney> Something along the lines of "There's still people using this?"
[13:19] <rick_h_> :)
[13:20] <rick_h_> damn, I wish I could remember what it was. It sounded cool
[13:21] <jrwren> I get angry thinking about the sad state of music players.
[13:21] <jrwren> spotify and pandora on a mobile device is the exact opposite of what I want :(
[13:21] <cmaloney> jrwren: Try being the owner of a Squeezebox. :)
[13:22] <jrwren> cmaloney: isn't it all unicorns and rainbows, because it works?
[13:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: oh, it was the new synology that lmorchard picked up and tweeted about
[13:22] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Ah, cool
[13:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, they have SB Server support in there.
[13:22] <jrwren> will squeezeslave run on raspberrypi ?
[13:22] <jrwren> oh, squeezelite
[13:22] <cmaloney> jrwren: squeezelite will, but you'll want a new DAC
[13:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: right, he got that ds214play and it does squeezebox support and streaming for your media/etc
[13:22] <cmaloney> rick_h_: nice!
[13:23] <jrwren> cmaloney: run it through a TV? :)
[13:23] <jrwren> damn shame about rpi dac
[13:23] <jrwren> I wonder if beagleboneblack has a better DAC
[13:23] <jrwren> or odroid C1
[13:23] <cmaloney> jrwren: It's not insurmountable, but by the time you get everything in place it's almost as much as a used SB
[13:23] <cmaloney> Not sure on the BBB DAC, but it doesn't have an audio jack
[13:23] <cmaloney> so you'd need to run through cape or HDMI
[13:24] <jrwren> cmaloney: oh. I wasn't sure.
[13:24] <jrwren> cmaloney: its downstairs from me :)
[13:24] <cmaloney> heh
[13:24] <rick_h_> https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS214play#overview
[13:24] <cmaloney> BBB serves different purpose than RPi
[13:24] <cmaloney> BBB is a microcontroller computer
[13:24] <jrwren> huh?
[13:24] <jrwren> no it isn't.
[13:24] <cmaloney> RPi is the rebirth of the Sinclair ZX series
[13:24] <jrwren> its an ARM processor just like rpi.
[13:24] <jrwren> only diff is community
[13:25] <cmaloney> jrwren: Different design goals
[13:25] <jrwren> right.
[13:25] <jrwren> no analog out on odroid c1 either ;(
[13:26] <jrwren> i wonder how hard it would be to use GPIO for that :)
[13:33] <brousch> Surely there's a USB dongle for that
[13:33] <cmaloney> https://volumio.org/project/
[13:34] <jrwren> of course, but like cmaloney said, then the price gets to about the same as other options.
[13:36] <cmaloney> https://www.hifiberry.com/dac
[13:38] <jrwren> WAY too much $$
[13:40] <cmaloney> Right. You can find a used SB radio from $150-$200 at that rate
[13:40] <cmaloney> or an old laptop. :)
[13:40] <jrwren> DAC ICs aren't cheap eh?
[13:40] <cmaloney> Good ones aren't terribly cheap.
[13:40] <cmaloney> I think it's also the volume they're producing
[13:41] <cmaloney> eg: price might come down if there was sufficient demand
[13:41] <jrwren> that is a card. I'm thinking, buy a DAC IC and wire it up yourself.
[13:41] <jrwren> ICs are usually cheap.
[13:41] <cmaloney> That's an option. :)
[13:41] <jrwren> all the 16bit DAC i'm finding are $20 range.
[13:42] <cmaloney> http://www.aliexpress.com/price/burr-brown-dac_price.html
[13:42] <cmaloney> Not sure if this is indicitive.
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> my listing request for WSU's ubuntu mirror has been "pending review" for over a month now :(
[13:44] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: You need to do something to change that
[13:44] <jrwren> yup, and that is 24bit, right?
[13:44] <cmaloney> believe so
[13:45]  * cmaloney knows not a whit about burr brown DACs outside of they're _the_ brand name for DACs.
[13:45] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: I dont' know what Merit is like these days. 12 years ago they shut us down running mirrors pretty quick.
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney: I alreayd just complained in IRC, what more can I do?
[13:45] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Your work here is done
[13:45] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: also, wsu mirrors in the past had a 5 concurrent user limit which made it rather useless as an official mirror
[13:45] <cmaloney> (honestly I have NFC what else needs to happen)
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: hm. We've had this one a while (and it's not something I'm doing on my own, it was handed to me when _stink_ left us), haven't heard complaints yet...
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: pft, that is pathetic.  The internal one you had to log into with your university creds.  Some char was coming up as a Tux
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> best printer problem ever
[13:49] <cmaloney> so someone would put in their resume paper and get boat-loads of Asian characters.
[13:49] <jrwren> Print is dead.
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> iirc, it was a variable in a math thing, some greek char, too. So, technically, it still was sound.
[13:50] <jrwren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3v_ogRaTf4
[13:50] <cmaloney> problem then was they would re-use that page until it was a sea of black.
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: please come tell my coworker that prints stacks of her email, routinely
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> I literally went to a meeting where she brought her email, printed.
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> C&IT.
[13:50] <cmaloney> Anyone who prints email needs to be "re-educated"
[13:51] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Gah
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> I agree
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> her cube is overflowing with paper
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> it's amazing, in its own wya
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> way
[13:51] <jrwren> wow.
[13:51] <jrwren> people still do that?
[13:51] <cmaloney> That's how you know she's a hard worker
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> she does
[13:51] <cmaloney> paper = productivity.
[13:51] <jrwren> i thought it was weird when people did that 15yrs ago.
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> it was.
[13:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: ++
[13:52] <rick_h_> psh, everyone know LoC is the true measure of productivity
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: that
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: is
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: so
[13:52] <jrwren> when printing is free (at office at last job) , I'd print a paper from ACM and read it while I took a long restroom break at the office.
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: true
[13:52] <jrwren> TMI?
[13:52] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, the only printing I usually do is long-form stuff to read that's in PDF, because reading PDFs on screens blows
[13:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's before you had a tablet, right? :)
[13:53] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: To a certain degree
[13:53] <cmaloney> I use the tablet for my PDF reading
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> I have no tablet
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> well, no, I have one of the original Kindle Fires
[13:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: I don't want to bring a tablet to the restroom, so no. :p
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> where PDFs still suck
[13:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: They wash off. ;)
[13:54] <jrwren> i'm surprised by how little I use tablets. They are supposed to be this great thing and I barely use them.
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> meh, they have all the power of a laptop, without the nice keyboard, and my phone can be used for read-only for most things
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> my cheap phone acts like a tablet I can put in my pocket, basicaly
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> larger screen is nice. Pocket-sized for carrying around at all times is nicer
[13:55] <cmaloney> Yeah, same here
[13:56] <jrwren> same.
[13:56] <cmaloney> though reading on the phone is problematic for anything that doesn't reflow
[13:56] <cmaloney> so that gets used for eBooks / ePub
[13:56] <jrwren> luckily ebooks reflow
[13:56] <cmaloney> PDFs don't.
[13:56] <jrwren> :(
[13:56] <cmaloney> and I print my read / review to PDFs.
[13:56] <jrwren> huh?
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, reading a PDF on a large kindle or something would be nice, but not hundreds of dollars nice
[13:57] <cmaloney> Articles on the web that I want to read later.
[13:57] <jrwren> oh man, it would be reasonably easy to write a browser plugin that is print to epub.
[13:57] <cmaloney> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dotepub/okpfiebkkmjcnodegbbbiellepfhoglm?hl=en
[13:57] <jrwren> any good?
[13:57] <cmaloney> Just searched.
[13:57] <cmaloney>  :)
[13:58] <jrwren> something new to try :)
[13:58] <cmaloney> Apparently it doesn't do well with a lot of images
[13:58] <cmaloney> which is expected.
[13:58] <jrwren> not really.
[13:58] <jrwren> epub is html+css
[13:58] <jrwren> image should be fine.
[14:02] <cmaloney> Well, it doesn't put the images in there.
[14:03] <jrwren> someone wrote a poor plugin :p
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> Yeoman Rand died :\
[14:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, sad
[14:05] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfgX-k7Hag the boss-man speaketh
[14:29] <jrwren> no wicked wolverine :(
[14:29] <rick_h_> what is it?
[14:30] <rick_h_> wily werewolf?
[14:31] <brousch> wacky wallabe
[14:31] <cmaloney> descent dropbear
[15:20] <brousch> Will Canonical shut down all operations and liquidate after Z?
[15:21] <rick_h_> brousch: that's my retirement plan
[15:21] <rick_h_> :P
[15:21] <cmaloney> brousch: Not after aantsy aardvark
[15:21] <cmaloney> until after
[15:59] <cmaloney> God, Carly Fiorina is running for president
[16:48] <ColonelPanic001> who?
[16:49] <jrwren> former HP CEO
[16:49] <jrwren> many techies feel that she ruined the company.
[16:50] <ColonelPanic001> sounds perfect then
[16:56] <jrwren> i don't know why these CEOs bother.  If Perot couldn't do it, you can't either :p
[17:05] <cmaloney> jrwren: hah
[17:15] <greg-g> cmaloney: jrwren ColonelPanic001 : http://carlyfiorina.org/
[17:15] <greg-g> trust me
[17:16] <jrwren> yup.
[17:16] <jrwren> 20,000 or 30,000 smileys.
[17:16] <greg-g> if you go to the bottom:
[17:16] <greg-g> That's 30,000 people she laid off. People with families. And what does she say she would have done differently?
[17:17] <greg-g> "I would have done them all faster."
[17:17] <greg-g> —Carly Fiorina
[17:17] <jrwren> whoa... if I read that right, microsoft just announced an openstack competitor. You can run your own azure in your own DC
[17:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, pretty much
[18:38] <rick_h_> ok, here we go https://plus.google.com/collection/451AQ
[18:39] <cmaloney> heh
[18:40] <cmaloney> it's almost like the blog you always wanted. :)
[18:40] <rick_h_> heh guess so
[18:40] <rick_h_> so split my world up into 4 collections. Now folks can follow the rick they want to and I'll definitely start posting more
[18:48] <cmaloney> Nice. :)
[18:48] <cmaloney> I did a little as well. Going to start using them more.
[18:49] <cmaloney> Never liked the circles for posting.
[20:38] <cmaloney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10986592/
[20:38] <cmaloney> seems legit.
[20:39] <cmaloney> From an address with sigaint.org
[20:39] <cmaloney> Which apparently is an onion remailing service.
[20:39] <cmaloney> Yeah, no.
[20:40] <greg-g> why wouldn't someone doing bitcoin wallet escrow NOT send recruiting emails via a remailer?
[20:40] <greg-g> all seems legit to me ;)
[20:41] <cmaloney> I don't think there's a non-preopsition word in there that doesn't raise a red flag.
[20:41] <greg-g> I'm actually surprised you got a remailer message through your spam filter
[20:42] <cmaloney> It has a SPF record
[20:42] <cmaloney> so it worked.
[20:42] <cmaloney> Looks like I'll have to put in a special rule to block that domain


[02:01] <mikdeazy> !help update imdb-tools to 0.9-1
[02:01] <Zinn> !help update imdb-tools to 0.9-1 For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[02:03] <mikdeazy> ok aparently not in the bots repertoire - can anyone help me update my version of imdb-tools to 0.9-1 from 0.8 (mythbuntu10.10)
[02:04] <mikdeazy> tried installing package from ubuntu site but it spewed file doesn't exist errors - and im not used to ubuntu
[02:10] <rhpot1991> mikdeazy: only in natty it looks like
[02:11] <mikdeazy> ah so i have to wait for updates to catchup ?
[02:11]  * mikdeazy assumes natty is codename for next release ?
[02:11] <rhpot1991> yep
[02:12] <rhpot1991> you could 1. build from source
[02:12] <rhpot1991> 2. find a ppa where someone already built
[02:12] <rhpot1991> 3. request a backport
[02:12] <mikdeazy> ah ok thanks - lol yeah i usualy run fedora so would be trawling testing repos now
[02:13] <rhpot1991> why do you need the update?
[02:13] <mikdeazy> not used to ubuntu
[02:13] <mikdeazy> imdb-get doesn't return fresh results / valid replies
[02:14] <mikdeazy> like i did imdb-get -s "Let me in" 2 wrong very old results then no results after a while
[02:14] <rhpot1991> it was my understanding that all the mythtv grabbers stopped using imdb
[02:14] <rhpot1991> and use tmdb, etc instead now
[02:14] <mikdeazy> oh
[02:14] <mikdeazy> lol
[02:14]  * mikdeazy possibly may look sheepish in a bit
[02:15] <mikdeazy> hmm but tmdb cmd doesn;t work
[02:17] <rhpot1991> tmdb.py
[02:17] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py
[02:17] <agron> Hi all
[02:18] <mikdeazy> rhpot1991 : ls: cannot access /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/: No such file or directory
[02:18] <rhpot1991> mikdeazy: try running locate tmdb.py
[02:19] <rhpot1991> mikdeazy: what version of mythtv are you running?
[02:19] <agron> Is firewire also used to feed video into the computer from the cable box or is it to just change channels?
[02:19] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l |grep mythtv-backend
[02:19] <rhpot1991> agron: both depending on how much your cable company has it locked down
[02:20] <mikdeazy> rhpot1991, ok for some reason it has an extra folder /scripts/ in its path - thanks a million not sure i came across locate before strangly good tip too ty ;-)
[02:21] <rhpot1991> mikdeazy: perhaps if that path is off then that could lead to issues if your backend doesn't know where the script is
[02:21] <mikdeazy> rhpot1991, good point - i will check the settings
[02:22] <rhpot1991> mikdeazy: are you running autobuilds?
[02:22] <mikdeazy> rhpot1991, sorry not sure - its mythbuntu 10.10 installed from live cd
[02:22] <rhpot1991> wait we call it MythTV-Updates repository anymore
[02:22] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[02:22] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[02:22] <rhpot1991> I'd recommend enabling that then upgrading
[02:23] <mikdeazy> damn sounds promising - ok will do many thanks again
[02:23] <Zinn> mikdeazy: Please watch your language.
[02:23]  * mikdeazy apologises to room
[02:25] <rhpot1991> just there as a warning, don't worry about it
[02:26] <mikdeazy> hehe - was just incase ;-)
[02:34] <agron> rhpot1991: Do you know if FIOS+QIP7100+Firewire does both (video+channel switching)?
[02:42] <rhpot1991> agron: not sure, in theory it should work for your locals
[02:42] <rhpot1991> and maybe others
[02:42] <rhpot1991> its normally based on area and what your local cable co does
[02:46] <agron> I am not getting anything, when I click WATCH TV it says PLEASE WAIT...  and then it goes back to the menu again. Don;t know where to start looking
[02:46] <rhpot1991> !logs
[02:46] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[03:01] <agron> log-grabber says: 413 Request too large
[03:27] <rhpot1991> agron: look at them by hand
[03:40] <agron> Zinn, rhpot1991: here are the logs: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/T3eci06w
[03:40] <Zinn> Hi agron, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[03:40] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] [03:50] <agron> I guess this  is my problem with firewire:
[03:51] <agron> rom1394_1 warning: read failed: 0x0000fffff000040c
[03:51] <agron> What does it mean?
[03:54] <rhpot1991> agron: did you verify that the firewire ports are enabled and that the channel isn't protected?
[03:56] <agron> no, but I saw port 0 had garbage and port 1 was OK, but protected, I dont know how to checj for that
[03:59] <agron> rhpot1991: how do you check if port is protected?
[04:00] <rhpot1991> check google, I have no idea with your hardware
[04:00] <rhpot1991> you coudl try asking in #mythtv-users as well, more likely to find someone with that same hardware than in here
[04:03] <agron> OK
[04:40] <mikdeazy> rhpot1991, ok i think i messed up - installed mythbunu repo and updated - it would only do partial ?? (no idea) not front end keeps saying cant find backend lol
[04:40] <mikdeazy> now* front end says,..
[04:41] <mikdeazy> rhpot1991, fresh install ith repos enabled earlier ?
[05:19] <mrand> mikdeazy: what method/program/utility are you using?
[05:32] <mikdeazy> mrand, its ok i already reinstalled from liveCD and now added repos and used synaptic to grap anything mythtvish - should work ;-)
[05:50] <rhpot1991> mikdeazy: you normally want to do a full install, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade from the command line will do it for you
[05:50] <rhpot1991> most likely a package name changed and it had to pull the new one
[06:08] <mikdeazy> i think it might be diff mysql pwd - but will do the dit-upgrade in a sec after sinaptic has finished pulling all the normal ubunu updates - thanks guys
[06:09] <rhpot1991> !mysql
[06:09] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[06:09] <rhpot1991> should help you there
[06:10] <mikdeazy> ahhh cool thanks - yeah not used to sudoing either ;-)
[06:11] <mikdeazy> usualy use su - on my fc box's
[07:01] <mikdeazy> same problem guys,.. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/2zkryhXp
[07:01] <Zinn> [ubuntu.pastebin.com] [07:28] <mikdeazy> my myth backend keeps dieing
[20:39] <mikdeazy> !help mythtv-backend keeps dying
[20:39] <Zinn> !help mythtv-backend keeps dying For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[21:01] <tgm4883> !logs | mikdeazy
[21:01] <Zinn> mikdeazy: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[21:01] <mikdeazy> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/rbSTJ1t8
[21:01] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] [21:02] <tgm4883> mikdeazy, 2011-02-01 20:31:43.005 Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are defined in the database.
[21:03] <mikdeazy> tgm4883, yeah - i dont have any - so how i do i switch it off?
[21:03] <tgm4883> mikdeazy, in 0.24 there is dummy recorders you can add
[21:03] <tgm4883> in 0.23 you can't
[21:04] <tgm4883> which mythbuntu version are you on
[21:04] <mikdeazy> upgraded mythbuntu i think 0.23 to 0.24
[21:05] <tgm4883> oh yea, you are on 0.24, so you can set up a dummy recorder in mythtv-setup
[21:06] <mikdeazy> history: worked before under -.23 fresh install from livecd - added repos - used synaptic to update and broke it - now backend just keeps dieing
[21:06] <tgm4883> yea there are now checks for tuners in the backend
[21:06] <tgm4883> mythbackend isn't dying, it's just stopping
[21:07] <mikdeazy> ah ok
[21:31] <mikdeazy> ok added internet video recorder - or should i add test / demo recorder ?
[21:32] <mikdeazy> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/sCPYvPs9
[21:32] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] [21:33] <mikdeazy> also when i test mysql connection in the control panel app - it says "Mysql plugin not completely filled in - please complete etc,.." and test connection fails
[21:36] <tgm4883> mikdeazy, Scheduler, Error: No channel sources defined in the database
[21:36] <tgm4883> you have to go though steps 2,3, and 4 in mythtv-setup
[21:36] <tgm4883> you can set up dummy ones for each
[21:36] <mikdeazy> ah so i still have to define channels - lol sorry didnt have to do this before strange new world - this and ubuntu in general lol
[21:37] <mikdeazy> ah ok cool ty will go do that ;-)
[21:47] <ComradeHaz`> Hi all. I have a clean install of Mythbuntu 10.10 that seems unable to access its own DB. Prompts to reconfigure DB on boot but claims it's not accessible, any advice?
[21:49] <mikdeazy> ComradeHaz`, iv had similar issues - they told me try this,.. before - but im not fresh install anymore so didnt help me yet
[21:49] <mikdeazy> !mysql
[21:49] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> Thanks mikdeazy, I'll give it a try
[21:50] <mikdeazy> ComradeHaz`, np im no expert btw ;-)
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> any idea how to change the default x11vnc password?
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> mikdeazy: you and me both :D
[21:50] <mikdeazy> hehe fun though aint it hehe
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> When it works, yeah :D
[21:50] <mikdeazy> oh im loving controlling myth from my new touchscreen cellphone hehe
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> Android?
[21:50] <mikdeazy> yup
[21:51] <ComradeHaz`> Which mote?
[21:51] <mikdeazy> apps called mythmote - standard 2.2 software if thats what ure askin
[21:51] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah, there's another which is even cooler. Not on market called......
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> mythdroid
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/
[21:52] <Zinn> [code.google.com] mythdroid - Project Hosting on Google Code
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> Allows 2 way communication
[21:52] <mikdeazy> ah ok will go check that out
[21:52] <mikdeazy> ooh sotreaming to handheld ?
[21:52] <mikdeazy> streaming*
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> Shows what's playing on handset and also shows phine alerts (ie calls and texts) on screen
[21:53] <ComradeHaz`> No
[21:53] <mikdeazy> ah ok
[21:53] <ComradeHaz`> Not the media content but the program title
[21:53] <ComradeHaz`> progress of 'track' etc
[21:54] <mikdeazy> cool enough - doscovered yxplayer - plays files from webshares onto droid phones if u need it - adverts though in trial
[21:54] <ComradeHaz`> ah, yeah, I think I have that but yety to play with it :D
[21:55] <ComradeHaz`> Install more apps than I have time to try out :D
[21:55] <mikdeazy> hehe so little time so many apps hehe
[21:55] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah, I got a Magic on the day they came out
[21:55] <ComradeHaz`> back then I went through all apps in the market in 2 days :D
[21:55] <mikdeazy> im in uk - dont know which model that is
[21:55] <ComradeHaz`> That's the UK name
[21:55] <mikdeazy> or dont remember the magic lol
[21:56] <mikdeazy> ah ok
[21:56]  * ComradeHaz` in Norfolk
[21:56] <ComradeHaz`> (England.
[21:56] <mikdeazy> yeah i wasn't all that fussed to upgrade before
[21:56]  * mikdeazy is in Southampton lol
[21:56] <ComradeHaz`> Got an HTC Desire HD now
[21:56] <mikdeazy> rofl ditto ;-)
[21:56] <mikdeazy> rocks dont it ;-)
[21:56] <ComradeHaz`> Still got sense on it?
[21:56] <mikdeazy> yeah lol
[21:57] <ComradeHaz`> I've rooted and reflashed mine to Cyanogen mod
[21:57] <mikdeazy> hehe only just got the thing 2 days ago ;-)
[21:57] <ComradeHaz`> Furry
[21:57] <ComradeHaz`> If you plan to root, be careful what over the air updats you apply
[21:57] <mikdeazy> might root it to put wifi pen testing tools but dont mind sense so far
[21:57] <ComradeHaz`> HTC are trying to block rooting
[21:58] <mikdeazy> ahh thats sucky of them considering its supposed to be all open source
[21:58] <mikdeazy> but then apple do  worse ;-)
[21:58] <ComradeHaz`> It's on ongoing game and they're unlikely to win
[21:58] <mikdeazy> lol hell no they aint
[21:58] <Zinn> mikdeazy: Please watch your language.
[21:58] <ComradeHaz`> but the way it stands at the moment they're rootable and it's possible to reverse it all for warrently claim
[21:59] <ComradeHaz`> o.O
[21:59]  * mikdeazy apologizes to anyone with a nervous disposition in the room ;-)
[21:59] <ComradeHaz`> What  did he say that's even mildly offensive?
[21:59] <mikdeazy> the oposite of heaven i think
[21:59] <ComradeHaz`> WT.....?!
[22:00] <mikdeazy> lol its just a reminder to not be overly verbose lol
[22:01] <Gibby> http://forum.savaged-zen.org/ grab that kernel too
[22:01] <Gibby> oh desire... blah
[22:05] <mikdeazy> lol
[22:05] <mikdeazy> ok cool - yeah my flatmate rooted his wildfire - and is a fellow geek hehe - he can help me when i want to really break the DHD's cherry
[22:07] <ComradeHaz`> y[21:49:18] <@Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common <---- I reckon these instructions are flawed.
[22:07] <Zinn> Hi ComradeHaz`, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[22:09] <ComradeHaz`> First of all, I have server 5.1, not 5.0. Second, I'm setting root password in step 1, I am not asked for any password in step 2 despite "you will need it for the next step" and third in step 3 I am asked for user mythTV's password, not root's.
[22:09] <ComradeHaz`> Is anyone able to assist me more usefully?
[22:10] <mikdeazy> ComradeHaz`, - use the logpuller to splash logs onto pastebin and paste the links for front and backend here
[22:10] <ComradeHaz`> Huh?!
[22:10] <ComradeHaz`> :D
[22:11] <mikdeazy> if you goto control panel on the mythtv system
[22:12] <mikdeazy> there is a log puller or its in the accessorsies menu
[22:12] <mikdeazy> Log Grabber
[22:12] <ComradeHaz`> Yayy. "Exception in captureState of plugin Mirobridgeconfig. Disabling Plugin."
[22:12] <ComradeHaz`> When opening controll centre
[22:12] <ComradeHaz`> seems to open when I click OK though :D
[22:13] <mikdeazy> it will put the log files onto pastebin - copy and paste the link to here
[22:13] <ComradeHaz`> !praise buggy fresh installs
[22:13] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about praise buggy fresh installs
[22:13] <ComradeHaz`> lol
[22:15] <ComradeHaz`> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/asMXbY0x
[22:15] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] Spam Protection Pastebin ID: asMXbY0x
[22:15] <ComradeHaz`> Heh,m that's cool
[22:20] <mikdeazy> woah u got all sorts orf errors that i know diddly about - im sure if u wait here someone can help u though
[22:21] <ComradeHaz`> Aye
[22:21] <ComradeHaz`> Thanks anyway :)
[22:28] <mikdeazy> np ;-)
[22:29] <mikdeazy> think i might try reinstalling fc14 and that gives me OS im used to and latest mythtv
[22:30] <ComradeHaz`> Well, I usually use Debina
[22:30] <ComradeHaz`> but the myth tv packages for that are a disgrace
[22:30] <mikdeazy> ah so ubuntu is closer to that yeah?
[22:30] <mikdeazy> lol ah ok
[22:30] <ComradeHaz`> yeah
[22:30] <mikdeazy> yeah fc is bloated but it does usualy have up to date packages
[22:48] <tgm4883> ComradeHaz`, this log is from your backend?
[22:48] <tgm4883> is your mysql server running?
[22:48] <ComradeHaz`> it's both front and back end
[22:48] <ComradeHaz`> It's a clean install
[22:49] <tgm4883> what does this say
[22:49] <tgm4883> service mysql status
[22:49] <ComradeHaz`> mysql start/running, process 2057
[22:50] <ComradeHaz`> Though I have done what the bot said I should
[22:50] <ComradeHaz`> So that would have started it if it didn't come up on boot
[22:50] <tgm4883> can you log into mysql from the command line?
[22:53] <ComradeHaz`> I expect so
[22:53] <ComradeHaz`> If I can remember how :D
[22:53] <tgm4883> mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[22:53] <tgm4883> then the password from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[22:55] <ComradeHaz`> Yup, logged in
[22:58] <ComradeHaz`> OK, so reconfigured common and set that password
[22:58] <ComradeHaz`> Might be worth rebooting to see what happens
[22:59] <tgm4883> yea and verify if any of the three steps errored out
[23:03] <ComradeHaz`> gah
[23:03] <ComradeHaz`> asks me for prefered language on that greeny background
[23:03] <ComradeHaz`> tells me no upnp
[23:03] <ComradeHaz`> moans about database config
[23:11] <ComradeHaz`> I can still login via cl just fine
[23:12] <ComradeHaz`> Database Configurations says it cannot even ping the db host
[23:13] <ComradeHaz`> hostname 'localhost'
[23:16] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, odd: "Cannot find (ping) database host on "
[23:16] <ComradeHaz`> note "..host<space><space>on<space>"
[23:17] <ComradeHaz`> I imagine thins could be something to do with networking
[23:17] <ComradeHaz`> My networking config is possibly not totally standard.
[23:18] <ComradeHaz`> Well, quite a bit about the install isn't, but that's teh only thing that should could different to anything once the machine is running
[23:33] <ComradeHaz`> um, I meant should appear different to anything...
[23:34] <hipitihop> I'm currently running 0.23.1 on 9.10 base using autobuild repo, can I and how do I upgrade to 0.24 ?


 @mitya57 have you looked at qtwebkit ftbfs?
 I didn't see it, looking now
 oh. part of icu transition :/
 Yes, looks related to ICU
 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/qt5-qtwebkit/blob/master/f/qtwebkit-missing-semicolons.patch should help
 No, nevermind
 https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/dev-qt/qtwebkit?id=e8bfdb22e96271b014eef1e73f9cef49bc76c4ad
 Ah, I was looking in the wrong place. This is the same patch as Fedora's, and it *will* help.
 I will upload it to Debian in a few hours.
 thanks!
 https://tracker.debian.org/news/1102397/accepted-qtwebkit-opensource-src-52120alpha3-7-source-into-unstable/
 :)