[03:40] <altker128> Hey guys, I had a chance to play with Ubuntu phone on an N4 (OTA-11) and really LOVED what I saw.
[03:41] <altker128> Some quick questions:  Is it possible to:  Have Unity load an app on start-up, lock the app from being killed?  I want the phone/contacts/calendar to always be running and loaded (the first load takes like 10 seconds)
[04:45] <geohot_> anyone working on getting it running on a nexus 6p?
[04:45] <geohot> or android 4 era devices only?
[04:47] <geohot> i see some stuff in libhybris for android 5
[04:47] <geohot> but nothing for 6
[04:55] <geohot> and also, i try to check out repo "fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /CyanogenMod/android.git"
[04:58] <geohot> err nvm, upgraded phablet-dev-bootstrap
[07:15] <cc> is there anyone use Meizu pro5 ubuntu phone?
[07:55]  * saavento says Hi
[07:59] <drguell> Hi
[08:17] <saavento> hello
[08:17] <popey> hi
[08:17] <saavento> I have a question regarding dim-timeout
[08:17] <saavento> is there a slider
[08:18] <saavento> or has to be modified by dbus
[08:18] <saavento> command
[08:18] <saavento> dimming the screen I mean
[08:18] <saavento> on a m10 tablet
[08:34] <saavento> nevermind I thought i found it via command
[09:30] <mpt> mardy (or anyone else), where would I report a bug in the Yahoo account plug-in? There doesn’t seem to be a relevant bug-reporting link on <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers>, <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components>, or <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts>
[09:38] <Multbrelch> Hi all. When can we expect that Ubuntu Meizo and BQ phones are available? Is there any hope?
[09:39] <Multbrelch> Currently, all phones are 'sold out': http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[09:56] <mardy> mpt: account-plugins
[10:36] <mpt> thanks mardy, I moved bug 1594743 there and added account-plugins to /Touch/Components
[11:02] <zzarr> dobey, what drivers are reqiured? if I had a GSM modem as UART /dev/ttyACM0 would that work?
[11:58] <ogra_> hmpf
[11:58] <ogra_> i cant get the nearby scope to refresh anymore after a reboot in rc-proposed today
[11:58] <ogra_> on turbo that is ...
[11:58] <ogra_> no bouncy-bar
[12:12] <popey> ogra_: worked for me on second pull
[12:12] <popey> ogra_: first pull lit up the location indicator, second pull made it refresh
[12:12] <popey> and i have a bonus perpetual bouncer
[12:13] <ogra_> i dont get the bouncy bar on second refresh
[12:13] <ogra_> only on first
[12:13] <popey> maybe location not got yet
[12:13] <ogra_> well, today seems to update ... i get aa refresh flicker in the weather icons
[12:14] <ogra_> just not in nearby after the first try
[12:14] <ogra_> as soon as the location icon turns off i also get the bar again
[12:24]  * ogra_ reboots in the hoope that this fixes anything ...
[12:25] <ogra_> nope, no go ... no nearby for me at all
[12:27] <ogra_> oha !
[12:27] <ogra_> i didnt get the SIM unlock dialog ... so i forgot to unlock the card ... after unlocking everything works
[12:31] <zzarr> hello!
[12:32] <zzarr> I get "could not open MTP-device" when connecting my phone (translated from Swedish)
[12:32] <zzarr> I have a Meizu MX4
[12:36] <zzarr> is there a nice command line that will solve the problem?
[12:36] <zzarr> I just rebooted the phone, but it didn't help
[12:36] <ogra_> well, the MX4 has in general pretty bad USB hardware, could be a HW issue
[12:37] <ogra_> (underpowered, which makes the signal die ... try a shorter cable or a USB 1.1 port/hub  ... )
[12:37] <zzarr> okey, but it have worked before
[12:38] <zzarr> do I understand you correctly, should I power down the phone?
[12:38] <ogra_> no
[12:39] <ogra_> the USB port of the phone is underpowerd due to bad internal wiring
[12:39] <zzarr> typical... I just did
[12:39] <zzarr> ohh
[12:39] <ogra_> a reboot wont solve that :)
[12:39] <zzarr> sure?
[12:39] <ogra_> if you indeed always used the same cable and it always worked it might not be that issue
[12:40] <zzarr> may be the electrons sleep and are more powered when awake? ;)
[12:40] <ogra_> heh
[12:40] <zzarr> just kidding
[12:40] <ogra_> you could shout or use a loud horn to prove that theory
[12:40] <ogra_> i'm sure people around you will like that a lot, try it :)
[12:43] <dobey> zzarr: i don't know exactly, but unless your goal is dialing into a bbs with minicom, a serial interface is probably not enough :)
[12:44] <zzarr> okey dobey, no that was not what I intended
[12:44] <dobey> i'm not sure the radios in any of the supported devices even have an exposed serial interface
[12:45] <zzarr> okey, it's not a matter of altering a device
[12:45] <dobey> mardy: hi. could you re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-credentials/signon-plugin-part2/+merge/296716 please? i think i have it working right, now
[12:46] <zzarr> it's if I could take a SBC and build a phone
[12:47] <dobey> zzarr: "phone" is a pretty vague term these days, with wifi calling, and all kinds of voip services being used
[12:48] <mardy> dobey: looking
[12:49] <zzarr> dobey, yes, I know, but I wish to be able to call through the GSM net like any other smart phone
[12:50] <zzarr> and use 4G data transfer
[12:50] <dobey> zzarr: then see what ofono requires and if the gsm radio in question will work with ofono
[12:51] <zzarr> okey, thanks dobey
[12:54] <dobey> mardy: well, almost working right, anyway. somehow managed to casue pay-ui to get into an infinite loop now, but the basic functionality of getting the token from server, storing it in db, and reading it back out, is working; invalidation is still a bit touchy :)
[13:02] <mardy> dobey: reviewed
[13:29] <dobey> mardy: hmm, how can i make sure online-accounts-ui will do the right thing when Setup.exec() is called, and there's already an account?
[13:29] <dobey> seems it's not
[13:30] <mardy> dobey: the right thing would be not to call it :-)
[13:32] <dobey> mardy: yes, well, displaying an entirely blank window, or just doing nothing, when things do call it, is certainly wrong :)
[13:33] <mardy> dobey: indeed it shouldn't, it should just return
[13:33] <dobey> well "just return" == "doing nothing"
[13:34] <dobey> and that seems wrong
[13:34] <mardy> dobey: file a bug on ussoa, please, with OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 online-accounts-service
[13:35] <dobey> mardy: and that's part of the reason why we have to delete the account currently. :-/
[13:36] <mardy> dobey: weird weird, I think I tested it thorughly (though I did it with facebook, not U1)
[13:40] <dobey> hmm
[13:42] <dobey> mardy: ok, weird. so i just added a twitter account, the app loaded, then i went to the twitter site on my PC, and revoked the app. closed twitter app, opened it again, and the page loaded fine.
[13:42] <dobey> yay oauth :-/
[13:43] <mardy> dobey: you just discovered our dirty secret :-)
[13:43] <mardy> dobey: the webapps don't use oauth, it's just a trick to get the cookies from the webview
[13:44] <dobey> oh that is bloody awful
[13:44] <mardy> dobey: IOW, the webapp asks for an account, but doesn't care (or use) the OAuth token: it just gets the cookies from the account webview, and copies them into its own webview
[13:45] <dobey> yeah, i understood
[13:45] <mardy> dobey: I don't like it either, but unfortunately we didn't come out with a better solution
[13:55] <dobey> mardy: ok, so if for one of the scopes which uses online-accounts, if you add the account, then go to that service's web site and revoke the token and refresh the scope, what happens?
[13:58] <mardy> dobey: it depends on the service: if it invalidates all the tokens, the scope should come up with the "Login..." button
[13:59] <mardy> dobey: but often, OAuth tokens are given a very short life (1 hour), so it might be that the service doesn't bother invalidating them
[14:00] <dobey> oh awesome. blank scope
[14:01] <dobey> YouTube scope is authenticated
[14:01] <dobey> Something weird happened
[14:01] <dobey> ERROR: HTTP request timeout
[14:07] <altker128> Hey guys, I had a chance to play with Ubuntu phone on an N4 (OTA-11) and really LOVED what I saw.
[14:07] <altker128> Hey guys, I had a chance to play with Ubuntu phone on an N4 (OTA-11) and really LOVED what I saw.
[14:07] <dobey> mardy: yeah, this is very bad.
[14:07] <altker128> Some quick questions:  Is it possible to:  Have Unity load an app on start-up, lock the app from being killed?  I want the phone/contacts/calendar to always be running and loaded (the first load takes like 10 seconds)
[14:07] <geohot> anyone ported this to arm64 devices?
[14:08] <geohot> have a ubuntu touch build working on my nexus 5, and have cm building on nexus 6p
[14:08] <dobey> altker128: no. that's not really a reasonable way to deal with the app startup time issue either. there is ongoing work for how to solve the various startup time issues
[14:09] <dobey> geohot: the meizu pro5 and bq m10 tablet are both arm64 devices. they are currently using 32-bit runtimes on top of the 64-bit kernel though
[14:09] <geohot> ahh, yea 32-bit runtime is ok
[14:09] <dobey> geohot: arm64 work is ongoing for eventual move to 16.04 based images
[14:09] <altker128> dobey: Fine, but is it possible to preload an app and have it stay running?  Phone/Contacts/SMS are basic apps that should always be running
[14:09] <geohot> i'm flashing 16.04
[14:09] <geohot> seems to work
[14:10] <geohot> aka xenial-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz
[14:10] <dobey> most stuff won't work on 16.04
[14:10] <dobey> 16.04's gcc is binary incompatible, so packages from the store which use c++ code won't work
[14:11] <dobey> altker128: no, it's not
[14:11] <geohot> ahh, yea i don't need any of the "phone-like" stuff
[14:11] <dobey> altker128: and i don't agree
[14:11] <altker128> dobey: Well, you're not every user.
[14:11] <geohot> i just want ubuntu userspace on android in a clean way
[14:11] <dobey> altker128: neither are you :)
[14:11] <geohot> and a platform to rip out the android binary blobs from
[14:11] <altker128> dobey: Dude, I'm not saying Ubuntu should make this a permanent change, I'm asking HOW to do it.    You should try and figure out why.
[14:13] <dobey> altker128: no, you asked how to do something, which i told you was not doable, and you blame me for disagreeing with your ideology and stating that it is not supported.
[14:14] <dobey> altker128: you could theoretically create upstart jobs to start them, but there is no guarantee the apps will stay running forever. they would still be subject to the lifetime security policies, and would be killed when RAM is low
[14:14] <dobey> there is absolutely nothing "combative" in anything i said
[14:14] <dobey> geohot: not sure which binary blobs you mean there, but plenty are still required to have a useful device
[14:15]  * awe_ thinks of rild, gps, hw media decoding, ...
[14:15] <geohot> really just the camera, i'm using this for a project
[14:15] <geohot> and the android camera is laggy
[14:16] <geohot> want to talk right to the sensor
[14:16] <geohot> gpu and ril can stay
[14:16] <dobey> well good luck with that then :)
[14:17] <geohot> so those 64-bit devices seem to have android 4 images
[14:17] <altker128> geohot: Driving cars?
[14:17] <geohot> :)
[14:17] <altker128> :)
[14:17] <geohot> anyone gotten ubuntu on android 6 image?
[14:18] <geohot> idk how much has changed, was reading libhybris and looks like it should work
[14:18] <altker128> geohot: Did you also look into Jolla?
[14:18] <geohot> the phone?
[14:18] <altker128> geohot: Sailfish OS has been ported to a few other devices as well
[14:19] <geohot> looks like old ones
[14:19] <geohot> i really want the ubuntu userspace
[14:19] <altker128> geohot: Camera start-up time is often laggy since there's a processor in the camera and it's BLOB is often times loaded on start-up
[14:19] <geohot> it's not even the start up time
[14:19] <geohot> it's the frame time
[14:19] <altker128> shot to shot?
[14:19] <altker128> Oh yeah, you need it for video
[14:19] <altker128> latency sensitive
[14:20] <geohot> wave your hand in front of the camera, yea
[14:20] <dobey> geohot: i think android 6 changed enough to break things. 5.1 base should be doable though (pro5 and m10 are 5.1 base i think)
[14:21] <altker128> geohot: The ISP of the SoC is pretty impressive but getting that stream displayed and accessible for analytics often uses CPU / software pathways
[14:21] <altker128> I should say, ISP of most cell phone SoCs
[14:22] <geohot> htc m10
[14:22] <geohot> is 6.0.1 :(
[14:22] <geohot> going to have to just make it work with 6
[14:24] <geohot> though the m9 has the same processor as the 6p
[14:32] <dobey> mardy, dbarth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1594841
[14:39] <dobey> mardy, dbarth: so, given this, i don't think there is any way we can make the changes to u1 work reliably for ota12, and we should table the changes until we can get around this problem
[14:40] <mardy> dobey: makes no sense, honestly :-)
[14:41] <mardy> dobey: you filed one bug with two completely different issues
[14:41] <mardy> dobey: both irrelevant to U1
[14:41] <dobey> mardy: no, i filed a bug with one issue, and many symptoms
[14:41] <dobey> mardy: it's relevant, because this is exactly why we must delete the token
[14:42] <dobey> s/token/account/
[14:42] <mardy> dobey: no, it's a totally different case, U1 doesn't work with cookies
[14:42] <dobey> mardy: the bug isn't about the cookies
[14:43] <dobey> mardy: the bug is that online-accounts is a drastic failure in the failure case of token-based authentication account types
[14:43] <mardy> dobey: OMG
[14:45] <mardy> dobey: please split the bug, the only common thing that these two issues have in common is that "I don't have a clue of how OA works :-)"
[14:46] <mardy> dobey: they are two very valid issues, but one is to be fixed in the Youtube scope (or maybe in unity-scope-{api,shell}), the other deserves more discussion
[14:50] <kz6fittycent> So, I'm having VERY limited success with "scopecreator" and creating a Youtube channel scope...
[14:51] <dobey> mardy: while i'll agree that the fact we can't use OAuth to initiate a web browser session on most sites; this bug isn't about that specific issue. inclusion of that in the description is simply supporting evidence of a larger architectural problem, which the bug is about
[14:51] <mardy> dobey: then please file a but about this big architectural problem, which I still don't get
[14:52] <dobey> i did file a bug about it. it's the bug we're talking about
[14:52] <dbarth> ahem
[14:52] <dbarth> what about using a hangout to talk?
[14:52] <dobey> i really need to go get lunch in a few minutes
[14:53] <dbarth> quicker and you guys can hopefully understand each other better; wdyt?
[14:53] <dbarth> ah nw
[14:53] <dbarth> dobey: i'll read the bug, but ping us back
[14:54] <dobey> dbarth: ok
[16:08] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Have you talked with abeato about oFono?
[16:08] <awe_> peat-psuwit, did you pull-request already get merged?
[16:08] <awe_> s/you/your/
[16:09] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Yes, it's merged.
[16:09] <awe_> ok
[16:09] <awe_> we're working on a fairly large ofono change at the moment for a new handset
[16:09] <awe_> so we expect to land a new version of ofono soon
[16:09] <awe_> although not before the freeze for OTA12
[16:10] <awe_> so the release to the PPA will somewhat be gated by the OTA12 process
[16:11] <peat-psuwit> awe_: OK, then. Thank you.
[16:11] <awe_> so I can't yet give you an exact date it will land, but most likely within the next two weeks
[16:13] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Ok.
[18:22] <bluetoothsound> I am having huge problems with bluetooth sound on my meizu pro5. sound is stuttering a lot and i tested two different bt-receivers. Is this a known bug?
[18:22] <sigvard> i've had this too, same device
[18:23] <bluetoothsound> i tried to find a bugreport about this but can't find one
[18:23] <sigvard> don't know about that, really...
[18:24] <sigvard> try searching for bluez, maybe?
[18:24] <bluetoothsound> the stuttering is much worse, when the system-settings-app is opened and searching for bt devices
[18:24] <sigvard> figures, since the bt radio would be partly bussy with other things...
[18:24] <bluetoothsound> i followed the 'bug filing' link in this channel's status message and went to the 'bluetooth' section
[18:25] <sigvard> excellent! do you have a link so i can + it?
[18:25] <bluetoothsound> no, i didn't file a bug. I tried to find an existent bugreport but didn't find one
[18:43] <ahoneybun> bluetoothsound: sigvard https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[18:53] <bluetoothsound> sigvard: i opened a bugreport at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1594939
[19:10] <sigvard> bluetoothsound: cool
[19:19] <sigvard> ahoneybun: thanks man, really helpfull. in the future too.
[19:21] <bluetoothsound> sigvard: is your pro5 on the stable channel?
[20:44] <mterry> Elleo, heyo, got a moment for a question about how the OSK handles focus / pressing the OSK return button
[20:45] <mterry> Elleo, in particular, I'm trying to trace down where my entry is losing focus after pressing the OSK enter button -- does the OSK do that?  maliit?  or is it part of the qml item's accepted() handling?  I can dig more, just curious if you knew
[20:48] <mterry> Actually, it's not losing focus I guess.  It's just losing the OSK
[20:50] <Elleo> mterry: the OSK won't get removed unless it is either losing focus or its explicitly told to hide, but the OSK doesn't remove focus from things itself (except when the user dismisses it), I believe that's all handled by the toolkit
[20:53] <mterry> Elleo, ok, and Return isn't handled specially?
[20:53] <mterry> maybe this issue is in how the shell manages the input method surface
[20:54] <Elleo> mterry: its not handled specially by the keyboard, I don't know if the UITK is doing anything extra besides emitting accepted() when seeing it
[20:54] <mterry> Elleo, OK thanks for the hints!
[20:54] <Elleo> no problem :)


[09:32] <xubuntu897> Greetings... im installed xubuntu atm. Ive got a quick question though, as a complete newb. Aint it possible to applications such as LibreOffice on XFCE? I see, that some lightweight alternative, is about to be installed - but I surely hope, that I can easily install LibreOffice as well. Thnx in advance of anyones reply.
[09:32] <xubuntu897> to install *
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> everything that is available in ubuntu is available in xubuntu, they both use the same repos
[09:33] <xubuntu897> Perfect, thank you :)
[09:34] <xubuntu897> My installation is complete. Excited :) Take care all
[10:51] <xubuntu503> The new installer for 11.10 is great.
[10:51] <Unit193> It's still Ubiquity, just newer ;)
[10:52] <xubuntu503> I don't recall being able to launch Firefox through the installer,  though.
[10:52] <xubuntu503> Live disc Firefox is old hat,  so I suppose it is a hybrid of the two.
[10:55] <Unit193> LiveCD for 11.10 should have FF6 or maybe even 7
[12:00] <mikeytheman112> Can Xubuntu live CD be ran on a computer with 128MB of RDRAM?
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn> mikeytheman112: I've never heard of rdram, what is it?
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> and 128mb will be too little for the live cd
[12:02] <mikeytheman112> well_laid_lawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDRAM
[12:02] <mikeytheman112> well_laid_lawn: So, can I (and how would I) install it then?
[12:03] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[12:04] <well_laid_lawn> mikeytheman112: uses less memory for the install but 128mb is not much for todays xubuntu
[12:05] <Myrtti> that's twice the RAM of my first computer
[12:05] <mikeytheman112> Well, I tried downloading it from here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/lucid/release/alternate/xubuntu-10.04.2-alternate-i386.iso. But it won't let me.
[12:06] <well_laid_lawn> what happened?
[12:09] <mikeytheman112> You don't have permission to access /xubuntu/releases/lucid/release/alternate/xubuntu-10.04.2-alternate-i386.iso on this server.
[12:11] <mikeytheman112> 403 Forbidden
[12:11] <mikeytheman112> Any idea?
[12:28] <ollomol> hola ??
[12:29] <ollomol> hola esta es una prueba del irc
[12:29] <ollomol> f
[12:30] <ollomol> dddd
[12:30] <ollomol> list
[12:31] <Unit193> !es
[12:33] <ollomol> dddddddd
[12:33] <ollomol> exit
[12:35] <well_laid_lawn> knome: seen mikeytheman112's error above while trying to access the alternat iso?
[12:36] <xubuntu842> me cachis en la mar serena
[12:37] <well_laid_lawn> same with maverick
[12:38] <xubuntu842> same with maverick???
[12:38] <well_laid_lawn> this is an english channel ollomol
[12:39] <ollomol> ok sorry
[12:39] <well_laid_lawn> np :)
[12:41] <mikeytheman112> Oh, btw 403 Forbidden is on kubuntu's ISOs as well.
[12:45] <well_laid_lawn> mikeytheman112: try this   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/release/
[12:51] <mikeytheman112> well_laid_lawn: is it weird that it's only downloading at 120 kb/s?
[12:52] <well_laid_lawn> could be that the server is busy - the beta for the next release had an update today afaik
[12:52] <well_laid_lawn> I'm guessing tho
[12:54] <mikeytheman112> well i hope the torrent downloads will be back up soon.
[16:13] <moylan> gah! i had a command written down from when xfce mucked up and all my title bars disappeared.  happened again today with updates and i can't find the command.  some sort of xfce update/repair command.  any ideas.
[16:16] <Unit193> !panels
[16:16] <Unit193> What type of "title bars"?
[16:18] <Unit193> http://www.gestalts.net/Xfce_Window_Title_Bar_missing  with the command   xfwm4 &
[16:19] <moylan> the applitcation title bars are missing.  i can't alt -tab to different apps.  it's like unity silliness for some reason.  will try xfce-panel command.  back in a mo.  fingers crossed.
[16:21] <Unit193> moylan: Did you see the link I gave right after?  With the command to try:  xfwm4 &
[16:21] <moylan> and back to normal.  found the command.  i had taken a photo on my mobile phone.  'xfwm4 --replace'
[16:21] <Unit193> Ah, replace
[16:22] <moylan> sorry dropped out of the room while i closed all windows i could get my hands on.  all the title bars with min, max and close buttons went missing.  second time.  always after an update.  this time though it only took 10 mins.  phew.  thank you for the assist though.  good to know people are listening :-)
[16:29] <Unit193> I wouldn't think that should happen (Doesn't for me)
[16:35] <moylan> always after an update.  no idea why.  might be time to reinstall and start again.  i played with so many options when i first started that there's bound to be cruft somewhere mucking things up.
[16:40] <Unit193> Wait a few weeks though!
[16:40] <Unit193> Oneiric will be out in a few
[16:40] <Unit193> !oneiric
[16:42] <moylan> good advice, probably what i'll do.
[17:20] <IdleOne> ooops, wrong X
[17:32] <pincy> hi, my problem is, that the xubuntu splash screen after boot wont disapear... i tried installing wdm switching to wdm in the menu which came up at install... if i press esc there are no problems at boot... and switching back to gdm makes the ttys unusable how can i get a displaymanager running again?
[20:27] <Mneumonic> Has anyone heard of a bug in Xubuntu 11.04 where when i click panel preferences, add a second panel and then move it my panel disappears
[20:27] <Mneumonic> and it doesn't add the second panel
[22:45] <X-Hunter> Hey


[13:08] <asac> hmm ... moblin git seems to be down for connman ... anyone sees this for other moblin stuff too?
[13:08] <asac> for me its down for 2 weeks or so :(
[16:11] <asac> fyi, http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/159-New-connman-in-ubuntu.html
[16:19] <ogra> asac, so wordy ...
[16:34] <asac> ogra: sorry, didnt want to go into detail on what doesnt work ;)
[16:34] <ogra> heh
[18:37] <compguy1011> i have a hp mini netbook and installed ubuntu remix, it was fine for a week or so then now is so slow i have to keep restarting it, and sometimes it will boot correctly and others not. and waking from sleep it just sits with a blank screen, any ideas? or maybe a different distro/version?
[18:37] <Dillizar> can i install ubuntu on AMR9?
[18:42] <Dillizar> any one
[18:43] <persia> Dillizar, You can run Jaunty there, but installing might be tricky.  #ubuntu-arm might also be a good place to ask.
[18:43] <ogra> a beter one indeed :)
[18:44] <ogra> *better
[18:44] <persia> compguy1011, Hard to say.  I'd probably either try to track down the problems and file bugs, or try a reinstall.
[18:45] <Dillizar> persia, isnt jaunty the name of the ubuntu 9.04??
[18:45] <compguy1011> i reinstalled, same thing
[18:46] <compguy1011> someone said try debian umm
[18:46] <compguy1011> some lite version of debian
[18:47] <persia> Dillizar, Well, except that Ubuntu 9.04 isn't done yet, but yes, Jaunty will become 9.04.
[18:47] <persia> compguy1011, Well, you could.  You might also try Xubuntu, or just plain Ubuntu.
[18:47] <Dillizar> persia, i am asking bout ubuntu mobile
[18:48] <Dillizar> this is not the channel for ubuntu mobile??
[18:48] <persia> It is.
[18:48] <compguy1011> persia, well with reg ubuntu... wouldnt that be too intense for the atom processor and a gig of ram?
[18:48] <persia> Ubuntu Mobile is a project that works on a couple flavours of Ubuntu.  There's nothing separate from Ubuntu.
[18:49] <Dillizar> persia, i think we are not on the same line here
[18:49] <persia> compguy1011, Not at all.  Some people run it on 486s with 128MB RAM.
[18:49] <Dillizar> i have a sony ericsson p910
[18:49] <persia> OK.
[18:49] <Dillizar> and i want to install ubuntu
[18:49] <ogra> Dillizar, try to dee mobile as a desktop flavour ... the underlying CPU arch doesnt matter for that
[18:49] <ogra> *see
[18:49] <Dillizar> !install
[18:50] <ogra> ubuntu mobile focuses more on screensizes and apps, not actually on the CPU so much
[18:51] <Dillizar> hmm
[18:51] <Dillizar> are talking bout the MID
[18:53] <persia> RIght.  There are currently two flavours, one targeting MIDs and one targeting subnotebooks/netbookx/umpcs/etc.
[18:53] <Dillizar> so how do you run the MID on a phone?? last time i asked they said i need phone with intel CPU
[18:54] <persia> Oh, that got fixed for jaunty: you can now run on any architecture supported by Ubuntu.
[18:54] <ogra> though we dont have prebuilt images for all arches
[18:55] <Dillizar> persia, so you are saying that i can put regular 9.04 on my phone??
[18:55] <persia> Well, assuming you can get it to install.  My phone boots off USB, and I've even run a Desktop LiveCD there (with a USB CD drive).
[18:56] <persia> Note that resolution is the most critical factor.  Anything less than 1024x768 gets awkward right now, although we're trying to get that down to 800x600, and few phones have that resolution.
[18:56] <Dillizar> mine is 208 x 320 pixels
[18:56] <persia> The target is to get down to 640x480, which is available on lots of things, but that will be a while.
[18:57] <persia> Yeah, that's a little too small for desktop :)
[18:57] <Dillizar> hmm
[18:57] <ogra> even to small for MID i'd assume
[18:58] <Dillizar> 2.9 inches
[18:58] <persia> Yeah.  I don't think MID works well below 800x480 right now, although I just got my 640x480 device fixed, and haven't tested recently.
[18:58] <persia> Dillizar, inches aren't so important.  One of my devices is 852x480 at 2.7".
[18:59] <Dillizar> :D
[19:01] <Dillizar> wait size and resolution are two different things right
[19:01] <Dillizar> so
[19:01] <persia> Right.
[19:01] <Dillizar> my display is :Size 	208 x 320 pixels, 2.9 inches, 40 x 62 mm
[19:01] <Dillizar> doesnt means its the resolution
[19:01] <persia> Well, 208x320 is the resolution, the others are the size.
[19:02] <ogra> well, your display size is: 2.9 inches, 40 x 62 mm
[19:02] <ogra> ... what persia said
[19:02] <persia> Of course, this gets confusing because we tend to say "large" or "small" for both size and resolution.
[19:03] <Dillizar> damn
[19:04] <persia> ian_brasil, Hey!  How's gypsy coming?  I definitely have some time for a review today.
[19:06] <Dillizar> its ok i will find a good theme :D and a splash screen :D that looks the same like ubuntu :D
[19:06] <persia> For that hardware, that's likely your best bet :)
[19:07] <ian_brasil> persia..ok..i will try to do it after work!
[19:07] <persia> ian_brasil, Oh, sorry.  I'm not tracking timezones well today.  Catch you then :)
[19:07] <Dillizar> persia, do ya know any LCARS linux
[19:07] <Dillizar> D:
[19:08] <ian_brasil> cool
[19:09] <persia> Dillizar, Sorry, no.
[20:19] <wasabi> So... is this thing runnable on a normal Ubuntu install yet? Seems a bit convoluted to get it working on Intrepid.
[20:20] <persia> You mean in parallel?
[20:21] <wasabi> I don't know what you mean by parallel. I'd expect it to be little more than a setup consisting of a different window manager and default application set.
[20:21] <wasabi> Semes I'm wrong.
[20:22] <persia> Well, the netbook flavour is that and some gconf keys, so ought mostly work in parallel, although the gconf changes might cause some confusion.
[20:22] <wasabi> Well, can't figure out what's required then.  ubuntu-mobile and hildon-desktop seem to get a bunch of different components on it.
[20:22] <wasabi> But I'm unsure how to start a session... found hildon-start, which is hard coded to DISPLAY=:1
[20:22] <persia> The MID flavour uses startx in place of a display manager, which gets a little funny.
[20:23] <wasabi> Okay. That's fine. I can write an xsession file.
[20:23] <wasabi> So what do I need to run, in what order?
[20:23] <persia> OK.  What are you trying to accomplish?
[20:23] <wasabi> Get a ubuntu mobile desktop launched from GDM. ;)
[20:23] <persia> OK.  Which release?
[20:24] <wasabi> Oh. I see. MID and Mobile are different things?
[20:24] <wasabi> Intrepid.
[20:24] <persia> OK.
[20:24] <persia> apt-get install ubuntu-mobile
[20:24] <wasabi> Done.
[20:24] <persia> Now that's just desktop + gconf keys.  Log in with GDM, and see the difference.
[20:25] <wasabi> Eh?
[20:25] <wasabi> It takes over an existign gnome desktop?
[20:25] <ogra> yes
[20:25] <persia> For intrepid, the "ubuntu-mobile" metapackage is just a few extra apps, and some gconf keys, to make GNOME look better on UMPCs.
[20:25] <wasabi> Ahh.
[20:26] <wasabi> Okay, so the different session, with the different application launcher: what do you call that?
[20:26] <ogra> fi you uninstall ubuntu-mobile-default-settings it will revert
[20:26] <persia> Somehow I think we should step back again.
[20:26] <persia> What are you trying to accomplish?
[20:26] <wasabi> I have no idea. ;) To get a touch-screeny-like interface on a desktop, preferably without killing my existing gnome setup. :0
[20:26] <persia> You want a hildon environment launched from GDM?
[20:26] <ogra> i think you are talking about ubuntu-netbook-remix
[20:26] <ogra> or MID
[20:26] <wasabi> Maybe I am.
[20:27] <ogra> have a screenshot of what you want ?
[20:27] <wasabi> Nothing I can find describes the differences or even what these things are in full.
[20:27] <persia> That's mostly because every time I wrote it down it changed.
[20:27] <wasabi> Heh
[20:27] <persia> As long as I don't write it down, it seems stable.
[20:27] <wasabi> ogra: Not really. I want to try it all.
[20:27] <wasabi> ogra: So I can figure out what it is.
[20:28] <ogra> netbook-remix: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/06/03/canonical-announces-the-ubuntu-netbook-remix/
[20:28] <ogra> MID: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[20:28] <wasabi> Ahh. That grid on the mboile page.
[20:28] <ogra> umpc: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/
[20:28] <wasabi> That's what I was intiially interested in
[20:29] <persia> That's what you just installed, but because it's done mostly with gconf, it's not available in parallel.
[20:29] <persia> Oh, sorry.  mistaken interpolation.
[20:29] <ogra> yeah
[20:29] <ogra> he wants MID
[20:29] <wasabi> I see, so mobile is just some gconf tweaks to make windows fullscreen and colors dark, and set an icon theme.
[20:29] <wasabi> got it.
[20:29] <persia> Right.  So, the software that would have been used to generate those screenshots never existed in an installable form within Ubuntu.
[20:30] <persia> The closest you'll find in intrepid is from installing ubuntu-mid.
[20:30] <ogra> (the image, not the metapackage)
[20:30] <persia> However, you'll need to hack apart some of ubuntu-mid-default-settings if you want to get that working through GDM.
[20:30] <persia> ogra, Or the metapackage.
[20:31] <ogra> in intrepid ?
[20:31] <wasabi> metapackage exists in intrepid. Cannot vouch for it's operation. :)
[20:31]  * ogra doubts that makes sense ... though its techinically possible
[20:31] <persia> Well, there are 12 applications that were very slightly different, but kourou wasn't one of them.
[20:31] <wasabi> Weird Java stuff coming along with it.
[20:31] <ogra> yes, its used to build the image
[20:32] <ogra> but -mid is more, its the cut down system below as well
[20:32] <persia> So, ubuntu-mid-default-settings installs two things that will cause issues with being in parallel.
[20:33] <persia> The first is /etc/event.d/session which is a respawning startx running as the user "ubuntu".
[20:33] <wasabi> Nice.
[20:33] <persia> The second is /etc/X11/Xsession.d/25${somethingorother} which is the session definition for the environment.
[20:34] <ogra> wasabi, so what drove you in the mobile direction as a server guy :)
[20:34] <wasabi> I'm not just a server guy.
[20:34] <persia> If you fiddle with those, you can probably hack up something that lets you use GDM.
[20:34] <ogra> well, thats what i have known you for the last years :)
[20:34] <wasabi> Because that's what I engage with you on. :)
[20:34] <ogra> haha
[20:34] <wasabi> I'm also a permanent establishment in #gnome-hackers.
[20:35] <wasabi> And do Mono and Gtk# development
[20:35] <ogra> oh, i didnt know
[20:35] <wasabi> And right now, I'm doing a house up with touchscreen interfaces.
[20:35] <persia> And talk about all three of those on #ubuntu-devel :)
[20:35] <wasabi> Embedded into the walls.
[20:35] <ogra> cute !
[20:35] <wasabi> So I'm taking a look at what Ubuntu has on teh front that might assist that.
[20:35] <ogra> MID is likely good for that but you will surely need custom home automation apps
[20:35] <wasabi> I've also got Android running on an x86 just to check that out. :)
[20:36] <persia> wasabi, Calling any of it "Embedded" is a bit of a stretch.  It's just interface changes.
[20:36] <wasabi> Oh, no doubt. I might give up and do nothing more than a single full screened Gtk app with some tabs.
[20:36] <wasabi> My biggest itnerest right now is to explore the onscreen keyboard and input stuff, touch specific.
[20:36] <wasabi> Stuff hildon contributed to.
[20:36] <wasabi> No matter what I develop, I'll want that.
[20:40] <ogra> well, there are other tools
[20:41] <ogra> i personally prefer the cellwriter keyboard as onscreen kbd
[20:41] <wasabi> Hildon's on screen keyboard... the one that pops up below, and moves the window out of the way... '
[20:41] <wasabi> what's that called, and is that non-hildon specific at this point?
[20:41] <ogra> its non hildon, its the one you see in the screenshots for umpc
[20:42] <wasabi> it seems to pop up on top of things, instead of making them smaller.
[20:42] <ogra> but it doesnt move stuff out of the way (yet)
[20:42] <wasabi> ahh
[20:42] <ogra> right
[23:30] <ian_brasil> persia: i have built gypsy in intrepid fine ..i have a jaunty pbuilder set up and i am running sudo pbuilder build gypsy_0.5-2.dsc
[23:31] <ian_brasil> but i get errors running pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy
[23:31] <ian_brasil> it says this package is broken
[23:32] <ian_brasil> i ran pbuilder update too


[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-auto-failover [amd64] (noble-proposed) [2.0-3]
[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-auto-failover [armhf] (noble-proposed) [2.0-3]
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[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted postgis [riscv64] (noble-proposed) [3.3.3+dfsg-2ubuntu2]
[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-auto-failover [arm64] (noble-proposed) [2.0-3]
[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-auto-failover [s390x] (noble-proposed) [2.0-3]
[01:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-auto-failover [ppc64el] (noble-proposed) [2.0-3]
[08:43] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, we have some nodejs bootstrapping sadness and bileto is gone...
[08:44] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe if we kick node-minimatch 9.0.3-4 out for some publisher runs, we can retry other nodejs and finish the bootstrap?
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: votca [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [2023-1] (no packageset)
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: votca [s390x] (noble-proposed/universe) [2023-1] (no packageset)
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[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: votca [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [2023-1] (no packageset)
[18:45] <tsimonq2> Please reject the kernelshark upload in lunar UNAPPROVED, the one with the incorrect version. :P
[18:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kernelshark (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.2.0-1 => 2.2.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[18:46] <tsimonq2> CC tjaalton since it looks like you rejected the previous upload. Should be two, one should be good, the other needs rejecting ^^^^^
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kernelshark (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.2.0-1 => 2.2.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[19:26] <tjaalton> tsimonq2: done
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected kernelshark [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.2.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> kernelshark do do do do do do 🦈
[19:29] <tsimonq2> tjaalton: Thanks!
[19:29] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: LMFAO
[19:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: votca [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [2023-1] (no packageset)
[23:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-clap-verbosity-flag [amd64] (noble-proposed/none) [2.0.1-2] (no packageset)
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[07:18] <bazhang> scarily quiet
[12:47] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu hio<EMAIL_ADDRESS>wasting time, recoomending to install windows, language abuse in -ot.
[13:01] <IdleOne> ! is <alias> ppa-purgeppapurge
[13:02] <IdleOne> !ppapurge is <alias> ppa-purge
 Why am I getting two different types of pre-boot decryption screens? Did the government hack my bootloader?
[21:59] <bazhang> <troll detected>
 well tell me what is ubuntu is that ontopic enough for u
[22:15] <bazhang> he wants help resetting android on an HTC phone
 do you guys fear god?
[22:17] <FearTheLord> i suggest you all read it
[22:17] <FearTheLord> here
[22:17] <FearTheLord> 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
[22:18] <bazhang> need a valid answer here Tm_T
[22:18] <FearTheLord> bazhang: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14
[22:20] <IdleOne> Was that all FearTheLord ?
[22:21] <FearTheLord> wait
[22:21] <FearTheLord> is preaching allowed?
[22:21] <IdleOne> no
[22:21] <IdleOne> least not in Ubuntu channels
[22:22] <FearTheLord> well before i go here is a warning from jesus
[22:22] <FearTheLord> 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
[22:22] <FearTheLord> meaning few make it to heaven
[22:22] <FearTheLord> deny it all you want
[22:22] <bazhang> !staff
[22:22] <FearTheLord> !ops
[22:22] <FearTheLord> ban me
[22:22] <FearTheLord> 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
[22:22] <Pricey> Hey bazhang, what's up?
[22:23] <bazhang> Pricey, aww you missed Sunday School!
[22:23] <bazhang> tsk tsk
[22:23] <Pricey> bazhang: I don't get it...
[22:23] <bazhang> is Gary even on staff any more?
[22:24] <bazhang> Pricey, the troll  ^
[22:24] <Myrtti> sure he is
[22:24] <bazhang> Pricey, is there not a reason we have the !staff factoid?
[22:24] <Pricey> bazhang: I figure for when you want staff.
[22:25] <bazhang> Pricey, yep, and Fearthelord, the troll, so I called !staff
[22:33] <bazhang>  FearTheLord has quit (K-Lined)   do we need to leave the +b in place?
[22:39] <IdleOne> probably not
[22:39] <elky> sorry, distracted
[22:39] <elky> oh, look, PMs
[22:39] <bazhang> that was from #df btw, he was gone from #u
[22:39] <elky> oh how boring, just more of the same


[02:19] <lamduh> Seriously dumb question, but I accidentally removed the trash icon from my desktop. How do I put it back?
[12:10] <jk> help
[15:28] <LostandNoob> Hello.  I am looking for some help making a bootable usb from a mac running 10.12.5.  I maybe am using bad search terms, but I keep finding old, outdated instructions... at this point, I would like to use dd but I am noob as hell and I am not sure it would work.
[15:29] <LostandNoob> I do have a running Elementary OS system I planned on turning into an Lubuntu laptop (she's old- 2011)
[15:39] <marick> does dd work on mac?
[15:40] <marick> dd if=/path/to/lubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdx
[15:40] <marick> sdx must be your usb driver
[15:41] <cristian_c> hi
[15:42] <cristian_c> where could I find any documentation about pcmanfm config file?
[15:42] <cristian_c> I should change the font size for the text below icons
[15:42] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[15:46] <LostandNoob> marick: it appears to be a valid command
[15:46] <LostandNoob> but I am sooooo noob
[15:48] <LostandNoob> i heard of a way to boot an ISO through grub... is that a real thing?
[15:49] <marick> I don't know, never heard of it, so can't really say.
[15:51] <marick> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-macos#0
[15:51] <marick> Not sure does this work.
[15:55] <wxl> LostandNoob: from what i remember, Disk Utility can do the trick. of course, that's old info, but it probably still works unless they've removed functionality (i guess you never know when it comes to apple)
[15:58] <jk^> help
[15:59] <wxl> !help
[17:15] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/sqKukZbU
[17:20] <jk^> Using image: lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[17:20] <jk^> Downloading 'ldlinux.sys' from https://rufus.akeo.ie/files/syslinux-6.03/20151222/ldlinux.sys
[17:20] <jk^> Unable to send request: Unknown internet error 0x00002F7D
[17:21] <jk^> Could not download the file - will try to use embedded 6.03 version instead
[17:21] <jk^> Downloading 'ldlinux.bss' from https://rufus.akeo.ie/files/syslinux-6.03/20151222/ldlinux.bss
[17:21] <jk^> Unable to send request: Unknown internet error 0x00002F7D
[17:21] <jk^> Could not download the file - will try to use embedded 6.03 version instead
[17:21] <wxl> didn't i already discuss this with you?
[17:21] <jk^> Rufus tells me it needs these two files and it asks me if i want to download them; I click "Ok", but in the log file i read it wansn't able to download them... What shall i do? Where can i find these file and where have i to put them?
[17:23] <wxl> ah yes i did
[17:23] <wxl> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/07/21/%23lubuntu.html#t17:31
[17:26] <jk^> wxl, i haven't found a solution :|
[17:27] <wxl> well, long story short, if the advice i give you does not work, i have nothing else to offer you. the problem lies with rufus, not lubuntu.
[17:42] <jk^> wxl
[17:42] <jk^> i read that article of github
[17:42] <jk^> too complicated
[17:42] <jk^> for my english
[17:46] <jk^> may u summarize what have i to do?
[17:46] <jk^> wxl?
[17:46] <jk^> Too long question and answer...
[17:46] <jk^> Too long questions and answers...
[17:50] <wxl> jk^: contact rufus.
[17:54] <marick> jk^, if rufus does not work for you try unetbootin https://unetbootin.github.io/
[17:57] <jk^> marick
[17:58] <jk^> i already try unetbootin and the live usb pen didn't work
[17:58] <marick> what it said?
[17:58] <marick> did you downloaded your own liveimage and burned that one?
[18:11] <jk^> not on cd, and not on dvd
[18:11] <jk^> just on pendrive
[18:11] <jk^> by unetbootin
[18:11] <jk^> i reboot and use usb like primary boot
[18:11] <jk^> but the live usb didn't work
[18:12] <jk^> just cursor for many minutes and it didn't go forward
[18:20] <marick> I mean which image you burned to USB?
[18:26] <jk^> lubuntu 16.04.02
[18:26] <jk^> marick
[19:22] <edvaldoserver> my name is Edvaldo!
[19:23] <edvaldoserver> quero ajuda para compartilhar arquivo nolubuntu.


[07:47] <shrewlockhouse> Hello
[09:15] <erle-> Mate keeps resetting the Firefox default page.
[09:15] <erle-> What the ...?
[09:15] <gordonjcp> erle-: packaging bug
[09:16] <erle-> How is that even possible that it is altering existing profiles?
[09:16] <gordonjcp> erle-: it loads a set of defaults when it starts up
[09:16] <gordonjcp> sudo apt remove ubuntu-mate-default-settings
[09:28] <erle-> better fix that damn package
[09:28] <erle-> otherwise other things will be missing
[09:35] <gordonjcp> erle-: did it try and remove other packages when you took that out?
[09:43] <erle-> I did not remove anything, I do not want defaults to disappear just because one single default is wrong
[09:43] <erle-> Also this has been this way for a long time, it is not a new sudden bug
[09:43] <gordonjcp> yeah
[09:43] <erle-> it seems intentional
[09:43] <gordonjcp> and it doesn't seem to be a particularly high priority either
[09:43] <gordonjcp> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/cannot-change-firefox-startpage-in-um-16-10/9463/5
[09:44] <erle-> this is a killer that will disgust people who might be interested in trying Mate
[09:44] <gordonjcp> ^ that shows you two files that you can delete to stop it doing it

[09:44] <gordonjcp> does anyone actually change their default starting page these days?
[09:44] <erle-> the problem is not the default page
[09:44] <erle-> nobody cares
[09:44] <erle-> the problem is that it changes your /profile/ at all
[09:45] <erle-> Firefox profile
[09:45] <erle-> which is completely independent from your installed system
[09:45] <erle-> people keep that for years
[09:45] <erle-> and sync it with other machines
[09:45] <gordonjcp> then remove the MATE firefox package and install it from Mozilla's site
[09:46] <gordonjcp> it's a local modification in the way it's packaged
[09:46] <gordonjcp> I think it's wrong, and I think it's a bug that needs addressed, but it's really not a big deal
[09:46] <erle-> why is there a Mate Firefox package? it is the generic Ubuntu Firefox package
[09:46] <erle-> why is Mate interfering with that in the first place?
[09:46] <gordonjcp> you'd have to ask the package maintainers that
[09:46] <gordonjcp> presumably so the home page starts up with MATE branding rather than generic Ubuntu branding
[09:47] <erle-> I did not ask you personally, this is the Ubuntu Mate channel, isn't it?
[09:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, but at 10am on a Sunday morning we appear to be the only people awake here :-D
[09:48] <erle-> "ubuntu-mate-default-settings" does not even sound like that it has anything to do with Firefox
[09:48] <erle-> gordonjcp, I am not expecting instant response
[09:48] <gordonjcp> if you do "dpkg -L ubuntu-mate-default-settings" you'll see what's in it
[09:48] <gordonjcp> I'm not on MATE at the moment and I can't be bothered getting my laptop from the car
[09:51] <gordonjcp> to be honest I only noticed the problem a week or so ago when I went to set the default home page on my mum's PC
[10:00] <jrj> Morning guys
[10:15] <engin> hitach
[10:36] <jrj> Can i do a surevey by yoiu guys ?
[10:38] <jrj> Placement of filesm Are you guys:  1. Working on files locally on $HOME and then take backup on a schedule to e.g. Your NAS/Cloud/Whatnot. 2. Work with your files directly off you NAS storage 3: Both ?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> usually I work with stuff on the local filesystem
[10:39] <jrj> gordonjcp: and then backup on a schedule ?
[10:40] <gordonjcp> depends what it is
[10:40] <jrj> Let say your private files
[10:40] <gordonjcp> if it's source code for stuff, it's usually in a repository somewhere anyway, either on github or one of my servers
[10:41] <gordonjcp> if it's audio stuff I copy it across to a server locally
[10:41] <gordonjcp> or video for that matter
[10:41] <jrj> So you have that on a "manually remebering to copy it to your server" sertup ?
[10:42] <jrj> Im not pointing fingers - im fighting myself to find a good system
[10:44] <jrj> There is an obvious perfomance gain in having files locally. But then it would have to automatically backup on some scheme - however my machines is not ON 24/7
[10:47] <gordonjcp> I don't really care much about files locally
[10:47] <gordonjcp> I don't back stuff up
[10:50] <gordonjcp> not stuff like source code or config files
[10:50] <gordonjcp> all of that is available from some repository or another
[10:56] <jrj> Sourcecode i guess that you "backup" via GitHub
[10:56] <gordonjcp> well, not github, but a git repository
[10:56] <jrj> but how about your $HOME/.config files
[10:57] <gordonjcp> source code repositories aren't a backup, for much the same reason that RAID isn't
[10:57] <gordonjcp> I don't back any config files up
[10:57] <gordonjcp> what would there be to back up
[10:57] <jrj> I know its not backup - but i would imagine the person running you Git does back it up proper
[10:58] <jrj> Or at least proper in the sense that me having an NAS (that is then backed up)
[11:00] <gordonjcp> the git repo is replicated across a couple of sites as zfs snapshots, which I guess counts as a backup
[11:02] <jrj> it would
[11:02] <jrj> my NAS is running ZFS for the same reason
[11:02] <jrj> But i have files im working on - non-code
[11:03] <jrj> Ex my list if IP's for all my servers ect
[11:03] <jrj> and a WishList and stuff like that
[11:04] <jrj> but obviously those are relative small files/project - so i could just work on the directly from the NAS
[11:04] <jrj> VM images was obviously a problem for some time, simply due to their sice. I had them on my local machine for obvious reasons, but backup was VERY much a seldom act.
[11:05] <gordonjcp> why would you even back them up?
[11:05] <jrj> But now i have moved my VM's to "the cloud" as either VM's or containers - so that is no longer an issue
[11:05] <jrj> because of the time i spend setting them up
[11:06] <jrj> i used them on a regular basis - one of them was 3 yo
[11:06] <gordonjcp> so, just recreate them when you need them
[11:06] <jrj> That would take alot of time
[11:06] <gordonjcp> not at all
[11:06] <gordonjcp> one command and it's done
[11:37] <Channel48> So why so quiet inhere?
[11:37] <Channel48> ok i,m out this is ghost town
[11:40] <gordonjcp> because it's Sunday lunchtime, dimwit
[11:48] <EazyG84> hello world
[11:49] <EazyG84> i just set up so no talking because working
[11:54] <EazyG84> not so eazy i think but im heare
[11:55] <EazyG84> ok im end now so to the nex time nice day everyone
[12:02] <M_aD> -_-
[14:14] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[14:44] <laoqijun> Can your form china?
[15:30] <SnivyDroid> theres a chat
[15:30] <SnivyDroid> hm
[16:15] <jrj> gordonjcp: Year - the VM in itself will only be 1 command, but all the setup/config i have done within them will take all the time.
[16:16] <jrj> But as said - that have now been moved to the_Clouds
[16:31] <gordonjcp> jrj: I don't understand
[16:31] <gordonjcp> jrj: are you setting all that stuff up by hand, or something?
[16:32] <gordonjcp> why aren't you using some configuration management tools?
[16:36] <jrj> gordonjcp: well - that would be a balance thing
[16:36] <jrj> If i had a setup where i needed to rebuild stuff over and over again - i would set that up (i do that as my day-job)
[16:37] <gordonjcp> if you ever need to set it up once, script it
[16:37] <gordonjcp> because you're *going to* need to do it again
[16:37] <jrj> However - since i had backup of my image (that didnt change that much) - hence no need to rebuild it ever
[16:38] <jrj> gordonjcp: may i direct you to my statement, that the most central VM have been alive for 3-4 years
[16:38] <gordonjcp> until it gets 0wned
[16:38] <jrj> It be running within my home network - not exposed any service to internet
[16:38] <jrj> But it did get updates !
[16:39] <jrj> I just didnt change the configuration or application installed much
[16:40] <gordonjcp> fair enough
[16:42] <jrj> gordonjcp: but that is all a mute point now. As i no longer have any local VM's of any importance
[16:43] <jrj> I do create one from time to time - for testing stuff/distros - but if i loose that - no one cares
[16:45] <jrj> Im going through a totalt Cleanse/setup cycle
[16:48] <jrj> Essentially killing alot+++ of old data. Alot of old stuff/projects ect that have been accumulating through the years as i have been thoug several jobs, and hence alot of different tech/interest. Stuff and gear have kept stacking up - to a point of being an unholy mess of stuff, with things spread around different machines, internal/external disks/nas/CloudStorage. So whenever i wanter to do something it was a search for data and finding the right gear for a n
[16:49] <jrj> So i went through alot of cleansin - aka throwing out ALOT of gear. Less choises make it easier to get startet, and not get bogged down on unrekevant "crap"
[16:50] <jrj> So aside for my work-laptop. I have only 1xNAS & 1 main computer now.
[16:50] <jrj> This have been very much a freeing experience
[16:51] <jrj> ...so now going through the steps of making new choices for setting myself up "from scratch" instead of just repeating what i have done for manymany years
[17:17] <mate|33200> Im sick and tired of win 10
[17:17] <mate|33200> unstopable update
[17:22] <mate|3557> too bad theres no unitz
[18:12] <mate|16618> How can I burn an image to flash drive?
[18:19] <mate|16618> how can I burn image to flash drive?
[18:32] <Astro7467> @mate|16618: gnome disks or install etcher from Software Boutique (easier to use than gDisks)
[19:40] <dale> Hello
[19:41] <dale> Is it possible to install the newest compiz with emerald theme manager
[19:43] <dale> in Ubuntu Mate 17.10
[20:36] <padgaland> What would be the best tweak GUI for mate?
[20:36] <padgaland> or place to get the best tweaks
[22:11] <felipentb> olá
[22:25] <mate|29764> matrixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[22:25] <mate|29764> let me join through riot


[10:25] <ginggs> cjwatson: \o/ nvidia-cuda-toolkit finally built!
[10:26] <cjwatson> ginggs: wonders will never cease


[08:12] <InHisName1> and once again its Morning
[10:07] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:39] <rmg51> Morning
[10:45] <JonathanD> Howdy rmg51
[10:45] <rmg51> o/
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:10] <KyleYankan> Morn
[13:28] <waltman> morning
[13:59] <InHisName1> Morning y'all.
[14:00] <InHisName1> Nice morning crowd today.
[21:02] <pvl1> hello folks
[22:09] <InHisName1> Evening, pvl1


[09:20] <Laney> Logan_: please forward your gst-plugins-ugly1.0 changes
[09:21] <Logan_> Will do.
[09:21] <Logan_> In the morning. :P
[09:29] <Laney> and 0.10 (or xnox)
[19:12] <TJ-> Is anyone able to merge a patch? bug #1266461
[21:28] <jtaylor> can someone on trusty quickly check if accerciser starts?
[21:29] <Noskcaj> jtaylor, I can't help you with that right now, but it's probably fixed in the latest upstream release, which is in the pkg-gnome svn
[21:30] <jtaylor> its also broken in saucy