[14:03] <bazhang> newbnewb, show us the exact things / guides / fixes you have tried
[14:03] <k1l> !pm | newbnewb
[14:04] <yaclm> Hello! If bekks is here: Here is the top output (http://paste.debian.net/166536/) you asked for yesterdas (Laggin input/mouse/everything after startup for up to 1 minuta, could not figure out what causes that much load. htop shows 50% kernel load but no explicit service)
[14:05] <Layl-Ubuntu> so uh, can someone take over from Eric^^ with helping me? He seems to have been disconnected
[14:05] <newbnewb> ok starting simple can I enlarge the irc typing box? everything it too mall
[14:05] <newbnewb> small
[14:05] <ofoto> i fixed my problem with .deb , it seemed that because im running kwin oner xfce i had to go to kde? systemsettings and change/add the association there and relogin
[14:05] <newbnewb> and I dont know the commans here
[14:05] <bazhang> newbnewb, what irc client is that
[14:05] <newbnewb> freenode in webbriwser
[14:05] <newbnewb> webbrowser
[14:05] <Layl-Ubuntu> newbnewb, if you are using webirc (irc in a web browser) you can control-scroll to zoom
[14:07] <Layl-Ubuntu> so it seems ubuntu perhaps has messed up a kernel update? I'm not sure what's going on here
[14:07] <alkisg> Layl-Ubuntu: I just came, what's the issue?
[14:07] <alkisg> A chroot kernel upgrade failed?
[14:07] <newbnewb> i just cant follow here
[14:07] <Layl-Ubuntu> alkisg, it's a long story in a painful 8 hours (not including sleep break) install of dual boot ubuntu
[14:07] <kaatu> when i try to install ntop from ubuntu software center it gets stuck , can some one help to restart the ubuntu software center
[14:07] <ofoto> newbnewb did u have internet updates on during the installation progress ?
[14:07] <newbnewb> it moves too fast and things are gone before I can cut and psate ans answer...and I cant scroll easy
[14:08] <newbnewb> its just all too hard...
[14:08] <Layl-Ubuntu> currently I'm booted into ubuntu with gnome on an older version of the kernel
[14:08] <newbnewb> thanks anyway
[14:08] <Layl-Ubuntu> in grub, picking the newer version (or the default non-advanced option) gives me "invalid magic number"
[14:08] <alkisg> Layl-Ubuntu: so basically you have abroken dual-boot and you want to fix it?
[14:08] <Layl-Ubuntu> yea, but, this is a pretty much clean install
[14:08] <kaatu> when i try to install ntop from ubuntu software center it gets stuck , can some one help to restart the ubuntu software center
[14:08] <Layl-Ubuntu> ubuntu first time did boot
[14:08] <Layl-Ubuntu> but after it updated it did not anymore
[14:08] <kaatu> when i try to install ntop from ubuntu software center it gets stuck , can some one help to restart the ubuntu software center kindly some one help
[14:09] <Layl-Ubuntu> now it boots again but only in the old kernel version
[14:09] <Layl-Ubuntu> and it doesn't start dgm by default
[14:09] <alkisg> Layl-Ubuntu: I can look with vnc if you want (I'm a sysadmin, it'll just take too long via irc..) - sudo apt-get install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[14:09] <Layl-Ubuntu> alkisg: as well, after the ubuntu update, it didn't show anything in grub anymore, I had to run the boot-repair tool to get anything back
[14:10] <yaclm> Hello! My laptop lags after startup and there is a huge delay for mouse and keyboard inputs. htop shows 50% cpu load (kernel) but doesn't show which command causes this huge load. any hints, keywords, solutions? (top output: http://paste.debian.net/166536/)
[14:10] <alkisg> I've seen boot-repair mess up things numerous times...
[14:10] <kaatu> when i try to install ntop from ubuntu software center it gets stuck , can some one help to restart the ubuntu software center kindly some one help
[14:10] <ofoto> software-center
[14:11] <Layl> alkisg: I'm still here from my laptop
[14:11] <alkisg> OK
[14:11] <Layl> alkisg, keep in mind, this is a fakeraid setup
[14:11] <alkisg> Layl: ah, dual boot with windows, not with another ubuntu, right?
[14:11] <Layl> alkisg, /dev/something isn't the hard drive, it's /dev/mapper/something_Volume01
[14:11] <Layl> alkisg, it's dual boot with windows yea
[14:11] <alkisg> OK
[14:12] <Layl> alkisg, as well, grub repeatively has shown me someting with i386 dispite this being a x86_64 install
[14:13] <Layl> alkisg, there /dev/sda won't work, the initial install was with that it just booted to windows
[14:13] <alkisg> Layl: you're not using efi, are you?
[14:13] <Layl> alkisg, as far as I know my motherboard doesn't support efi
[14:13] <Layl> I recall when I did some kernel programming that I checked that as an option and it wasn't available
[14:14] <Layl> alkisg, keep in mind this is booted from my install, not from a livecd
[14:14] <Layl> alkisg: p1 and p2 are windows, p3 is ubuntu p4 is swap
[14:16] <alkisg> Layl: wait, you said you were having boot issues, and it wasn't booting into X, but now I'm seeing it booted in X?
[14:16] <Layl> alkisg, it doesn't boot with the default option in grub, but it does with the older kernel version
[14:16] <Layl> however it does show errors on booting
[14:16] <Layl> and it won't start gdm by default
[14:16] <alkisg> OK
[14:22] <alkisg> Layl, I'm not seeing any errors that way, you'd have to reboot with a live cd, so that I can install kvm there, and then boot the disk in a VM to see the boot process...
[14:22] <alkisg> ...I'm not sure if it's worth it for a new installation though
[14:23] <Layl> alkisg, I'll reboot into the live CD, would just re-installing be faster?
[14:23] <Layl> I'm afraid that it will just give the same problem again though
[14:23] <alkisg> Layl, I guess so, and if you see that it's a kernel regression, you'd just report it to launchpad..
[14:23] <alkisg> You can also test without RAID
[14:23] <Layl> alkisg, alright gonna reboot into liveCD now
[14:24] <alkisg> OK
[14:24] <Layl> alkisg, if I could disable my raid and not loose all my data on my windows machine that would be very nice
[14:24] <Layl> because that one isn't a clean install
[14:24] <alkisg> Layl: it's a software raid, which means that you can use the ubuntu partitions without a raid there
[14:24] <alkisg> I.e. have raid in windows, no raid in ubuntu
[14:24] <Layl> alkisg, it's not software raid though, it's fakeraid
[14:25] <DerRaiden> I've problem on my acer laptop, if i shutdown it doesn't turn off and the reboot doesn't go too, i tested with ubuntu gnome 14.10 and ubuntu-mate 15.04 does anyone know what the problem could be? i'd tried acpi=off noapic and so on
[14:25] <alkisg> Layl, doesn't gparted see the partitions normally and allow you to format them individually?
[14:25] <Layl> alkisg, nope it shows it as one big drive
[14:26] <r_rios> I just installed chromium in Ubuntu 14.10 and it's crashing when I browse GMail and G+. Anyone else experiencing the same problem?
[14:26] <alkisg> when you run gparted /dev/sda it shows the dev/mapper instead?
[14:26] <Layl> oh, I just run the gui for gparted
[14:26] <alkisg> Layl: btw, you might want to prefer 14.04 instead of 14.10, because it's LTS
[14:26] <Layl> alkisg, I don't know, I tend to run a lot of very up to date stuff to get development tools working
[14:26] <alkisg> And it might happen that you don't get the regression there
[14:27] <alkisg> More people maintain PPAs for LTS releases than for non-LTS ones
[14:27] <TinoDidriksen> Where do I best report an X crash bug that's happening on 14.04 LTS with lts-utopic xorg and kernel installed? Somewhere on Launchpad or directly to Freedesktop?
[14:27] <alkisg> Layl: in any case, 15.04 would be better than 14.10, no?
[14:28] <Layl> alkisg, 15.04? I thought LTS was 14.04
[14:28] <alkisg> Layl: yes, I suggest 14.04 first, 15.04 second, 14.10 third
[14:28] <Layl> might want to go for 15.04 then, is there a gnome installer for that?
[14:29] <alkisg> Like, ubuntu-gnome? Or just Unity?
[14:29] <Layl> ubuntu-gnome
[14:29] <alkisg> I believe so, google a bit
[14:30] <Layl> alkisg, I'm seeing an iso though it's marked "beta 1"
[14:30] <alkisg> It's 10 days before release, get the last daily build one
[14:31] <alkisg> Layl:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[14:31] <Layl> alkisg, yep just found that as well
[14:31] <Layl> alright the livecd is started
[14:31] <Layl> give me a moment to start up irc and terminal again
[14:31] <designbybeck_> What does get stand for in apt-get ? I can't seem to find anything on that
[14:32] <k1l> designbybeck_: its a program name. like" what does "beck" stand for in your nickname" :)
[14:33] <Layl-Ubuntu> alright, got it all running here
[14:33] <designbybeck_> ha...figured as much k1l
[14:33] <ioria> apt is advanced package tool  , get could mean 'activate'
[14:34] <Layl-Ubuntu> alkisg, could you give me the line again to remote in?
[14:34] <designbybeck_> yeah ioria I knew what apt stood for, but I couldn't find anything on "get"
[14:34] <alkisg> Layl-Ubuntu: aren't you going to do the clean install?
[14:34] <Layl-Ubuntu> well I could do that as well
[14:34] <k1l> apt, apt-get and apt-cache are frontends for the libraries used
[14:34] <Layl-Ubuntu> it's probably gonna trash all over the grub entry for windows again though
[14:34] <alkisg> update-manager => options => enable universe; apt-get update; apt-get install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[14:36] <Layl-Ubuntu> alkisg, huh that line is opening up a window asking me to do updates
[14:36] <alkisg> there's an options button somewhere there
[14:36] <alkisg> Layl-Ubuntu: ah, software-properties-gtk will also do :)
[14:37] <Layl-Ubuntu> alkisg: what do you mean?
[14:37] <alkisg> Instead of running update-manager and clicking on settings, you can enable the universe repository from software-properties-gtk
[14:37] <Layl-Ubuntu> ah nevermind I misunderstood that line, I see the settings now
[14:39] <Layl-Ubuntu> alkisg: I'm not sure how I can enable universe in the settings, it's not giving me a checkmark next to universe
[14:39] <geirha> codepython777: You should get your connection fixed
[14:40] <alkisg> Layl-Ubuntu: can't help there without seeing your screen, maybe you can directly put the line in sources.list... google a bit about "enable universe ubuntu"
[14:40] <Layl> alkisg, ran the line without enabling universe
[14:40] <alkisg> Layl, ah, you have an ubuntu-gnome live cd, which already has universe enabled :)
[14:44] <ioria> designbybeck_, maybe is related to get or wget used by apt for searching package and other stuff
[14:45] <designbybeck_> ahh ioria I knew of wget, maybe so... Not a big deal, I just always wondered where that came from
[14:45] <alkisg> Layl, so, in kvm it boots with the latest kernel
[14:45] <alkisg> No gdm there though
[14:46] <alkisg> I think you should try with 14.04 or 15.04, so that you don't debug already resolved issues...
[14:46] <Layl> I'll try with 15.04
[14:46] <Layl> just to make sure it won't try to re-install a kernel again
[14:46] <danbower^work> i've just executed some debug code on the cli and there's an outrageous amount of text. cli won't respond to a ctrl-c. is it possible to kill it from another tmux window?
[14:48] <alkisg> Layl, if you want, you can remove raid members from there, format them etc
[14:48] <alkisg> Or you can keep using raid, whatever you like
[14:49] <Layl> alkisg, can I from here safely install ubuntu to non-raid?
[14:49] <Layl> by creating new partitions for it
[14:49] <alkisg> If you remove raid members correctly, yes
[14:49] <Layl> then installing grub to /dev/sda?
[14:49] <alkisg> But if you just go ahead and format them, you'll have issues...
[14:49] <alkisg> Yes you can install grub to both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb if you want
[14:50] <Layl> hm, so I'm not quite sure what to do here then, what's the correct way to add/remove stuff here then?
[14:51] <alkisg> Layl, if you're not very experienced with raid just leave it as it is, it's fine
[14:51] <Layl> alright then, should I format the partitions to allow ubuntu to install to them?
[14:52] <Layl> I recall it being said that the installer doesn't like fakeraid setups and formatting from there won't work
[14:53] <Agent_Smith_BR> .
[14:53] <alkisg> Layl, I'm not sure how the installer copes with raid nowadays, but you should be able to use mdadm, gparted etc
[14:54] <Agent86> Hi all
[14:54] <Agent86> how can I get a status of avconv to use in a progress bar
[14:54] <Layl> alkisg, I'll re-do how I formatted the partitions before, could you watch along to see if I'm doing it right?
[14:54] <Layl> meanwhile on my laptop I'm burning a dvd with 15.04
[14:55] <Agent86> in other words avcon starts converting and I want to know the progress in percent
[14:55] <r_rios> It's a segmentation fault
[14:55] <alkisg> Layl, I don't have *that* much free time, but if the problem persists after installing 15.04, I could have a look then
[14:55] <Layl> alright
[14:55] <Agent86> does avcon have something or perhaps a python subsystem
[14:56] <Layl> I'll just stay a bit in this chat then while I do the install of 15.04 and see if it works
[14:56] <Agent86> *avconv
[14:56] <Layl> alkisg, one last question for that install, should I be installing grub to Volume01 or /dev/sda when I'm using raid?
[14:57] <alkisg> Layl, I'm not sure about fakeraid, on software raid I had to install it to /dev/sda
[14:57] <alkisg> Since it worked with dev/mapper, use that now too
[14:57] <Layl> previously on fakeraid, it didn't work to /dev/sda, so I think it's gonna have to be Volume01 then
[14:57] <r_rios> Here's the segfault when I try to open GMail: http://pastebin.com/wstymUm4
[14:58] <ioria> Agent86, this is for ffmpeg but maybe you can adapt for avconv : https://gist.github.com/pruperting/397509
[14:58] <Layl> alkisg, thanks a lot for the help and patience with this problem
[14:59] <ars23> hi!
[14:59] <alkisg> You're welcome Layl, although I couldn't help much other than the advice for reinstallation :)
[15:01] <azizLIGHT> is there a gui tool to manage user groups on 14.04
[15:02] <jeff_> hi
[15:03] <pbx> azizLIGHT, nothing built in
[15:03] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, not standard, sudo apt-get gnome-system-tools >> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/05/install-users-groups-management-tool-ubuntu1404/
[15:03] <lisak> hi, after ubuntu-server 14.04 installation, it boots up but due to a video card problem it doesn't enter login
[15:04] <azizLIGHT> hm ok
[15:04] <lisak> is it possible to disable it somehow? I don't even need it, I'll use ssh only
[15:04] <azizLIGHT> how do i tell what groups currently exist
[15:05] <genii> azizLIGHT: Whatever's in /etc/group are all the groups
[15:05] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, type terminal 'groups' and you see what group you are in
[15:05] <yorwos> 15.04 is only as beta out yes ?
[15:06] <OerHeks> or that tool users&groups maybe??
[15:06] <OerHeks> yorwos, beta2 yes
[15:07] <yorwos> i wonder if upgrade will be ok or if clean install will be preffered again heh
[15:07] <Agent86> yikes that a bit complex to calc percentage of work done
[15:08] <OerHeks> yorwos, when you upgrade, download the iso first and put it on usb. That is where i start with.
[15:08] <Agent86> what vid card do you have ?
[15:09] <Agent86> if you have GTX 970 / 980 then I believe you need upgraded version of cuda
[15:12] <Agent86> interesting avconv seems to have a -stats option but I'm not sure how to use it
[15:15] <pavlos> Agent86, https://libav.org/avconv.html ... -stats ... print encoding progress/statistics, On by default
[15:16] <Agent86> on by default I see that, and it does print to screen but I want to use this info from stats to create a python ttk.Progressbar
[15:16] <Agent86> I just need calculations so not sure how to create a -stats variable to capture info from the console to a python variable
[15:17] <Agent86> although the encoding progress is strange in avconv it does not really show any percentage as you would think it's more of a bytes/s etc.
[15:18] <Layl> the ubuntu installer does not instantly die on trying to install the first time, this is a good improvement over previous attempts
[15:19] <Layl> for good measure, should I manually run update-grub from ubuntu before restarting after installing updates?
[15:26] <Sohail-Ahmed> I have a trouble remove a package using apt-get purge. http://pastebin.com/P1xTLYg7
[15:27] <geirha> Sohail-Ahmed: What does this say?  dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/doconce
[15:27] <Layl> the moment of truth, does it still boot
[15:28] <Sohail-Ahmed> geirha: it says 'no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/doconce.'
[15:28] <geirha> Sohail-Ahmed: then it's not installed via a deb package, and cannot be uninstalled with apt
[15:29] <illoxx> test
[15:29] <Sohail-Ahmed> geirha: yes I installed it via sudo python setup.py install
[15:30] <geirha> Sohail-Ahmed: Then it might not be easy to uninstall
[15:30] <Sohail-Ahmed> geirha: and python setup.py uninstall does not work either
[15:30] <Sohail-Ahmed> geirha: any suggestions?
[15:31] <Layl> Alright, alkisg it seems to boot fine now
[15:31] <geirha> Sohail-Ahmed: http://askubuntu.com/q/38692/9016
[15:31] <OerHeks> Sohail-Ahmed, did you get it from here ? https://github.com/hplgit/doconce
[15:31] <threecatstwodogs> does ulimit -n not work anymore ?
[15:31] <Sohail-Ahmed> yes
[15:31] <OerHeks> maybe they have an uninstall.py too
[15:31] <threecatstwodogs> sysctl fs.file-max returns different to ulimit -n
[15:33] <Layl> well that only took 18 hours including a sleep break
[15:34] <Layl> I consider that a net win over the last time I tried to install debian
[15:34] <EriC^^> Layl: hey, sorry i got dc did you solve the problem?
[15:34] <pavlos> threecatstwodogs, http://serverfault.com/questions/122679/how-do-ulimit-n-and-proc-sys-fs-file-max-differ
[15:34] <Layl> EriC^^, yep what solved the issue was format and install 15.04 instead
[15:34] <EriC^^> hehe :D
[15:35] <Layl> which does not make a kernel update so there's no way for grub to get confused to hell and back
[15:35] <kolbe> i have an Ubuntu 14.04 VM with a x86_64 CPU. i added a repository that has a Release file with "Architectures: amd64". when i do ''apt-get update'', the repo i added causes this message: "Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)". i'm told this is because of "multiarch support". is it configurable?
[15:35] <Layl> now I can finally do the #1 goal I wanted gnome grub for, to have a material design theme
[15:35] <Layl> so worth it
[15:35] <EriC^^> cool
[15:36] <Layl> oh, one question, I've got an nvidia card, should I install drivers from the nvidia website before that will work right
[15:36] <Layl> it's a pretty recent card
[15:36] <Layl> was state of the art when I bought it
[15:36] <EriC^^> Layl: no idea, i have ati myself but the open source seem to run cooler and ok
[15:36] <EriC^^> are you going to game on it?
[15:37] <Layl> only with the games that run
[15:37] <Layl> I kept my windows install just for games
[15:37] <Layl> also for tools that only work on windows *shakes fist in the general direction of valve's hamer*
[15:37] <GoClick> How can I get the system to upgrade packages without bumping the minor version? So I’m using Foo 2.7.3 and Foo 2.7.4 is out but so is 2.8.3 and I know the 2.8 branch is massively incompatible with other software I’m using?
[15:38] <OerHeks> kolbe, maybe you have 32 bit ubuntu in your vm , check your current kernel > uname -a
[15:38] <EriC^^> Layl: might be worth checking out the nvidia drivers if you're going to game
[15:38] <kolbe> OerHeks: uname -a shows x86_64
[15:39] <OerHeks> kolbe, oke, what repo ?
[15:39] <EriC^^> Layl: sometimes it's a hassle though and could break stuff, i tried latest ati was a pita to remove, nvidia might be easier though
[15:39] <kolbe> OerHeks: it's one that someone in my company created (i'm testing it and i found this problem)
[15:40] <OerHeks> kolbe, good test.
[15:40] <OerHeks> kolbe, they need to build the 64 bit version then
[15:40] <threecatstwodogs> how would i tell if i was running out of tcp/ip connections or file descriptors
[15:40] <kolbe> OerHeks: the 64 bit version already exists. the message given by apt-get is "Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages'"
[15:41] <threecatstwodogs> I'm locking up a webserver that has almost zero load
[15:41] <kolbe> OerHeks: for some reason my 64-bit Ubuntu installation is complaining when it can't find a repository for 32-bit packages
[15:42] <aikidouke> does anyone know what group is responsible for composing daily-builds and releases for ubuntu?
[15:42] <SiegeX> Can I use both cron and anacron together? I have a task that I want to run at a specific time and it's on a 24/7 VPS
[15:43] <OerHeks> kolbe, not really an error from ubuntu's side, that repo sucks.
[15:43] <kolbe> OerHeks: that's fine. i'm asking why the OS is looking for packages for an architecture other than the one used by its kernel.
[15:44] <kolbe> OerHeks: i understand there's a problem with the repo, and i'm going to try to get it fixed, but i'm trying to get some additional information and learn a bit about Ubuntu in the meantime.
[15:46] <qiyexuejiunai> my first try
[15:46] <qiyexuejiunai> hello,anybody
[15:46] <OerHeks> kolbe, for instance, if that repo gives a list with packages:i386 and there has been a change, only with i386 packages and they build them fresh, the x86-64 part will surely find only older/depreciated/removed versions.
[15:46] <asad2005> I bought a new 4TB hard disk which i plan to use as data drive, what file system should i use and should i make single or more than one partition. I am using ubuntu 15.04 beta
[15:46] <daftykins> qiyexuejiunai: yes? ask a support question if you have one
[15:46] <kolbe> OerHeks: there are no i386 packages at all for this product, so i don't see that being a problem.
[15:46] <EriC^^> asad2005: do you plan to use it with ubuntu only or windows too?
[15:47] <qiyexuejiunai> Can I speak Chinese
[15:47] <peppelakappa> hello there, anyone using iris graphics on his ubuntu laptop?
[15:47] <EriC^^> qiyexuejiunai: /join #ubuntu-cn
[15:47] <qiyexuejiunai> ok
[15:47] <kolbe> OerHeks: i don't *care* if there are i386 packages available, because i don't want to install them on my x86_64 VM. if I don't care about the i386 packages, why does Ubuntu care about them?
[15:48] <flipapy> is this channel ok to ask about ubuntu server?
[15:48] <asad2005> EriC^^: Ubuntu only
[15:48] <daftykins> #ubuntu-server is even better
[15:48] <EriC^^> asad2005: use ext4
[15:48] <flipapy> thnks daftykins
[15:48] <peppelakappa> i'm experiencing a big, strange problem with CPU usage, and my graphics performances are really bad
[15:49] <kinslayer> I cant use a headset on my ubuntu laptop, it only wants to send sound to my external hdmi screen any suggestions
[15:49] <asad2005> EriC^^: and should i maek multi partitions
[15:49] <daftykins> peppelakappa: what version?
[15:49] <EriC^^> asad2005: up to you, theoretically, if one system gets corrupted you'd still have data
[15:49] <peppelakappa> daftykins, basically every version since 14.04
[15:49] <peppelakappa> a core is stuck at 70% usage, even when doing absolutely anything
[15:50] <daftykins> peppelakappa: including? so all kernels 3.13+ ?
[15:50] <peppelakappa> daftykins, the problem appears to be existing since 3.14 kernel
[15:50] <twokay> evenin all....got a small problem with executables being run from the shell... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10816653/ Any ideas on why even if its in my path it cant be found and is looking in an old location (I removed the package ruby and compiled my own)
[15:51] <daftykins> peppelakappa: so 3.13 is fine? :P
[15:51] <peppelakappa> daftykins, yeah
[15:51] <daftykins> so the solution sounds like to run 14.04 to me.
[15:51] <peppelakappa> i'm using a retina mbp so having latest kernel releases is a must
[15:51] <daftykins> oh a mac - ok that changes everything entirely
[15:51] <peppelakappa> *sigh*
[15:51] <daftykins> wait for 15.04 to go final then
[15:52] <EriC^^> twokay: type ls -l `which ruby`
[15:52] <yorwos> peppe , i dont know , one time i was running @folding , all my cpus at 100% , i had closed the program it didnt show in task manager but it was obviously running
[15:52] <EriC^^> twokay: maybe the symlink is broken
[15:52] <peppelakappa> this is why I asked if someone have this problem too: i'm on  15.05 daily and the problem persists :-/
[15:52] <peppelakappa> yorwos, heh, there's no process eating cpu, even perf top says nothing
[15:53] <twokay> EriC^^: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 138093 Apr 13 16:01 /usr/local/bin/ruby
[15:53] <EriC^^> twokay: what happens when you type /usr/local/bin/ruby
[15:53] <twokay> it works.
[15:53] <daftykins> peppelakappa: ok well 15.04 talk is in #ubuntu+1
[15:53] <twokay> am I beig daft or is this odd?
[15:53] <OerHeks> peppelakappa, only one core, 70% ? is that bad?
[15:54] <peppelakappa> daftykins, joining, ty
[15:54] <yorwos> i mean @folding was still running but it didnt show in task manager , higher cpu usage was 3% while the xfce cpu graph plugin showed it at full 100%
[15:54] <peppelakappa> OerHeks, it's really bad considering that's a notebook after all
[15:54] <EriC^^> twokay: no, it's pretty odd
[15:54] <peppelakappa> and for example, framerate on cs:go is awful probably because of this
[15:54] <twokay> thought so...Im not a linux newbie really. Feels like it tho :)
[15:54] <EriC^^> twokay: are there any aliases? try alias
[15:55] <twokay> unless its a symlink...yeah thats it.one sec
[15:55] <twokay> EriC^^: nope no mention of it
[15:56] <twokay> EriC^^: symlink in another location onthe path pointing to the old version? a locate doesnt find it nor does a find.
[15:56] <daftykins> peppelakappa: tried a non-unity desktop?
[15:56] <EriC^^> twokay: which returns that so when you type ruby it should run it
[15:56] <peppelakappa> daftykins, running i3
[15:56] <EriC^^> unless there's an alias
[15:56] <yorwos> yesterday i was stuck at 30% also for no-reason , but i rebooted and it was fixed
[15:56] <EriC^^> dunno
[15:57] <daftykins> peppelakappa: i take it you've experimented to rule that out?
[15:57] <peppelakappa> daftykins, tried any combination: i3 w/compton and without, unity, fluxbox. It isn't related to this
[15:57] <twokay> EriC^^: yeah me too....Ill figure it out. Ive checked the obvious so Ive missed something obviously. Thanks for the help.
[15:57] <EriC^^> twokay: ah wait
[15:57] <peppelakappa> maybe a driver issue, because with nomodeset, no problem
[15:58] <twokay> EriC^^: ...waiting :)
[15:58] <daftykins> peppelakappa: ah well. i'd ask further but can't support 15.04 in here
[15:58] <EriC^^> which says it's in /usr/local/bin , but bash complains about /usr/bin
[15:58] <peppelakappa> this strange bug is the only thing preventing me from using linux on this machine... argh
[15:59] <EriC^^> twokay: are you on ubuntu?
[15:59] <EriC^^> twokay: feels like arch or something
[15:59] <twokay> EriC^^: yeah thats the odd bit... /usr/bin/ruby doesnt exist.  Error! E: Read error - read (5: Input/output error) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[16:03] <anmol> error 208
[16:03] <newbnewb> i tried remove as well and get same command
[16:03] <newbnewb> same output I mean
[16:04] <EriC^^> newbnewb: did you checksum the iso?
[16:04] <daftykins> newbnewb: sounds like your installation or install media are damaged - or the hard disk you're installing to is faulty
[16:04] <genii> anmol: Still no reason to spam profanity into the support channel.
[16:04] <anmol> idk
[16:04] <anmol> ??
[16:04] <newbnewb> i dont know how to do that ericC....I am a grumpy old man who is barely keeping up and often not
[16:04] <EriC^^> newbnewb: do you still have the iso you downloaded?
[16:05] <genii> anmol: This channel is to assist Ubuntu users. If you don't have a support question about Ubuntu, or if you're not assisting a user, don't spam the channel
[16:05] <newbnewb> actually no....it was on the previous install and I foolishly didnt save it....all I have is the bootable usb...
[16:05] <newbnewb> my internet is 1mbs so it takes hours to get an iso
[16:05] <anmol> pls anyone help me its emergency!
[16:06] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok mount the bootable usb, and open a terminal
[16:06] <twokay> EriC^^: Got it....and Ive got no idea how...but I accidently closed my shell down...relogged in and it works. So just out of interest that seems like once I uninstalled the package some realitime config was left behind but what could that be? Its quite important really because we will be mass installing servers and this could cause problems.
[16:06] <newbnewb> ok....be patient with me as I am slow
[16:06] <tgm4883> anmol: what is the problem?
[16:07] <newbnewb> !EricC it's mounted and terminal open
[16:07] <anmol> after installing ubuntu my laptop is overheating even if it is idle
[16:07] <tgm4883> what laptop/
[16:07] <twokay> EriC^^: an alias would show up surely, as would a symlink or path change. Ill try to reporoduce it. Thanks for the help tho.
[16:08] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok, cd to the mountpoint, it's probably in /media/<user>/<uuid>
[16:08] <newbnewb> how? i dont know even basic commands sorry
[16:08] <EriC^^> twokay: ok, no problem
[16:08] <yorwos> anmol it must be the gpu , install proprietary drivers
[16:09] <EriC^^> newbnewb: type cd /media , type ls to see the files, then cd <user> and so on
[16:09] <peppelakappa> ok this is awkward
[16:09] <daftykins> is it?
[16:09] <newbnewb> is user the entire string up to the $? or just before the :
[16:10] <daftykins> user@hostname is how the prompt appears
[16:10] <peppelakappa> fixed that bug with another google search, appears to be a well-known bug http://askubuntu.com/questions/176565/why-does-kworker-cpu-usage-get-so-high
[16:10] <EriC^^> anmol: open a terminal and type top
[16:10] <peppelakappa> now let's hope csgo runs better now
[16:11] <EriC^^> newbnewb: there shouldn't be a $? or :
[16:11] <newbnewb> EricC when I type ls it only says "toshiba"
[16:11] <daftykins> peppelakappa: i'd still prefer you held this discussion in #ubuntu+1 since your installed version is off topic here.
[16:11] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok type cd toshiba
[16:11] <newbnewb> EricC done
[16:11] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ls again
[16:12] <newbnewb> 32gb usb
[16:12] <EriC^^> newbnewb: or type cd and hit tab a couple times
[16:12] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok type cd and hit tab so it autocompletes it
[16:12] <newbnewb> cd-create-profile  cd-iccdump          toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba$ cd
[16:13] <EriC^^> newbnewb: usually if there's a space in a file you have to use quotes like cd "32gb usb" or escape the space with \ like cd 32gb\ usb
[16:13] <newbnewb> im lost...i have no idea what I am doing....when I put cd and tabbed that last from me is the output
[16:13] <EriC^^> newbnewb: put a space after cd then hit tab
[16:14] <newbnewb> do I need to go back or being in media still is ok?
[16:14] <EriC^^> you should be in toshiba right now
[16:14] <newbnewb> ah yes sorry
[16:15] <newbnewb> when i put space then cd then tab tab it outputs same
[16:15] <newbnewb> the cd-createprofile etc
[16:15] <EriC^^> newbnewb: put the space after cd
[16:15] <EriC^^> newbnewb: it think you want to autocomplete the cd command right now
[16:15] <EriC^^> *thinks
[16:16] <newbnewb> i got  space 32GB\ USB/
[16:17] <EriC^^> if you type cd<space> and hit tab it'll look for dirs in your current directory
[16:17] <EriC^^> ok, great
[16:17] <newbnewb> this is where I am now :   toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba/32GB USB$
[16:17] <EriC^^> ok, type ls
[16:17] <newbnewb> autorun.inf  casper-rw  ldlinux.sys  pool                syslinux boot         dists      md5sum.txt   preseed             wubi.exe casper       install    pics         README.diskdefines toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba/32GB USB$
[16:20] <anmol> Anyone know how to install IDM on ubuntu
[16:21] <kris_pol> tried to use telnet on one of the open ports , answer was " couldn`t parse request"  or connection closed by foreign host . what does it mean?
[16:22] <newbnewb> great
[16:23] <kris_pol> how to solve it?
[16:23] <genii> kris_pol: It means that port is running oms service which requires a set of interactions between it and the client ( in this case your telnet session) but it didn't receive anything it recognized as valid input
[16:24] <genii> s/oms/some
[16:24] <anmol> Does Samsung provide drivers for ubuntu?
[16:24] <Ziber> How can I add a dummy network interface
[16:24] <Ziber> ?
[16:25] <EriC^> newbnewb: still there?
[16:25] <newbnewb> yep
[16:25] <EriC^> sorry i got dc
[16:25] <newbnewb> np
[16:26] <genii> anmol: Samsung makes a lot of products. Whisch one more specifically do you have in mind?
[16:26] <newbnewb> the sfotware center seems to be troublesome according to google but no real solutions found
[16:26] <newbnewb> rest of the os seems to work
[16:26] <anmol> For laptop.
[16:27] <newbnewb> but I cant even unsintall etc....and when I try to install it "fails to parse"
[16:28] <anmol> Yippee 5 MB downloaded in 20 minutes hurrrah
[16:28] <genii> anmol: If it's a Chromebook, no. Although Ubuntu can be made to run on it.
[16:28] <anmol> geni, What are you saying?
[16:29] <kris_pol> should I search for it on another channel?
[16:29] <Ziber> I've done "ip link set name <device> dev dummy0" on two ubuntu servers, but it's not working on a third. It says it can't find the dummy0 device.
[16:30] <genii> anmol: I'm saying that if you asking about Samsung-supplied Linux drivers for their Chromebook line, they do not provide any because Google provides the entire embedded OS with all the drivers it needs for what is supposed to be delivered to the consumer.
[16:30] <anmol> why ubuntu use cpu even when it is idle when windows dont?
[16:31] <nogoodnamesleft> Does Ubuntu not have Java 8 in main repo?
[16:31] <newbnewb> can anyone else help me? the person who was helping seems to have isp problems
[16:31] <adminewb> hi all
[16:31] <GoClick> anmol: Because Windows is lying to you.
[16:31] <xangua> nogoodnamesleft: no
[16:31] <dale_> how do I get rid of the arrows slider and have a regular window slider
[16:31] <nogoodnamesleft> May I ask why Ubuntu does not have Java 8 in main repo?
[16:32] <xangua> nogoodnamesleft: licences, you can install openjdk
[16:32] <GoClick> nogoodnamesleft: Licensing
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> !latest | nogoodnamesleft here's why
[16:32] <nogoodnamesleft> Ah ok. And openjdk is version 8 compatible?
[16:33] <anmol> Goclick, but hardware dont lie. when i use ubuntu my fan runs at full speed while in windows not until i dont put a load on cpu
[16:34] <GoClick> anmol: Fan speed is controlled by OS, Ubuntu may not have drivers to throttle your fans. Although it’s entierly possible Ubuntu is running more commands. Windows doesn’t do all that much stuff out of the box in the background. Ubuntu is indexing for search and generally (I may be crucefied for saying this) actually kind of bloaty
[16:34] <GoClick> nogoodnamesleft: OpenJDK is v7
[16:35] <GoClick> nogoodnamesleft: My mistake no it’s Java 8
[16:35] <adminewb> trying here to diagnose some trouble logging in to unity desktop on trusty; rather than just log in to a certain account's desktop (while other accounts are fine), it just blacks the screen for a moment and repaints the same login greeter; where do I find the pertinent log files? /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't appear to be the one
[16:35] <anmol> Goclick. i think fan speed is controlled by BIOS and a OS has nothing to do with it
[16:36] <adminewb> I should mention that login to the troubled account on a tty works fine
[16:36] <nogoodnamesleft> I found pakcage "openjdk-8-jre" in Universe
[16:36] <OerHeks> !lmsensors
[16:36] <ponyrider> OerHeks: yep thats the one
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> anmol is this useful http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[16:37] <Johnny_Linux> Terabytes are termite-like desert insects
[16:37] <Johnny_Linux> wrong room
[16:38] <nogoodnamesleft> Thanks guys. Openjdk-8-jre seems to have fixed the problem with Jython.
[16:38] <OerHeks> adminewb, login with tty2 ( ctrl alt F2) and see the permissions of ~/.Xauthority , is it owned by root or the $USER ?
[16:39] <GoClick> anmol: perhaps, but in my experience motherboards often run the fans at full speed unless the OS tells them to run it slower. A good sign one way or another is what does the fan do durring boot. Remember every hardware manufacturer is in bed with Microsoft so Windows can do a lot of things out of the box
[16:39] <adminewb> OerHeks, it's owned by root:root
[16:39] <OerHeks> adminewb, that is the problem, it should be owned by the user.
[16:39] <MonkeyDust> Windows is the Main Stream, hence: MS Windows
[16:39] <adminewb> this may have come about during an fsck cleanup after a syscrash
[16:40] <anmol> blahh blahh blahhh
[16:40] <adminewb> OerHeks much obliged
[16:40] <OerHeks> * known issue, sometimes this is done by starting the wm with startx, depreciated
[16:40] <OerHeks> adminewb, iirc you can remove the file, it will be recreated next login ?
[16:40] <adminewb> OerHeks got it, will try that
[16:49] <ubuntuterrorist> hello
[16:50] <_Raiz> ubuntuterrorist, Hey.
[16:51] <ubuntuterrorist> I want to install Ubuntu in /dev/sda2, between (primary) sda1 and sda3 (Windows) but installed is trying to resize partitions
[16:51] <r_rios> The Ubuntu build of Chromium seems to be segfaulting
[16:51] <ubuntuterrorist> installer
[16:52] <r_rios> When opening gmail.com
[16:52] <_Raiz> ubuntuterrorist, resizing the partitions to what?
[16:53] <ubuntuterrorist> _Raiz: it wants to resize sda3 (NTFS) to allocate space for UBuntu
[16:53] <_Raiz> ubuntuterrorist, Then you need more space for ubuntu.
[16:53] <ubuntuterrorist> _Raiz: I tried to format sda2 with EXT4
[16:53] <georgelappies> ubuntuterrorist, try using manual partitioning
[16:53] <ubuntuterrorist> _Raiz: Ubuntu can be install in sda2, it has plenty of space
[16:53] <georgelappies> yeah what _Raiz said
[16:53] <ubuntuterrorist> georgelappies: I tried
[16:54] <_Raiz> ubuntuterrorist, What's the size of /dev/sda2
[16:54] <ubuntuterrorist> Select sda2, click on Change...
[16:54] <ubuntuterrorist> more than 100gb
[16:54] <ubuntuterrorist> brb
[16:57] <anmol> Are you here?
[16:58] <anmol> Are you here photographer?
[16:59] <ubuntuterrorist> _Rarity georgelappies: sda2 has almost 200gb
[16:59] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: make sure you are only making a root partition. ie "/" -ONLY and not also making a /boot /opt etc etc.
[16:59] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: and format it with ext4?
[17:00] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: do I select it / as mountpoint?
[17:00] <ponyrider> yes ext4 is great
[17:01] <ubuntuterrorist> format ext4 and select /
[17:01] <anmol> Is there any channel for making friends?
[17:01] <psf_> Hi, can you please recommend any good programming irc rooms?
[17:01] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: yes make that the only mountpoint. dont make a /boot
[17:01] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: you can make a /home if you like
[17:02] <tgm4883> anmol: psf_ non support requests go in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:02] <psf_> ok, i got there, thank you
[17:05] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: sda2 ext4 / is ready. is it safe to click install now?
[17:06] <ubuntuterrorist> and how would I create /home in sda2 along with /
[17:06] <EriC^^> ubuntuterrorist: you want a separate home partition?
[17:06] <EriC^^> ah nevermind
[17:06] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: selecting "/" mountpoint makes the whole installation on one partition. ie /dev/sda2
[17:07] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: if you want a /home you can add that as another mountpoint
[17:08] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: so your partitons will be sda2 > / ... sda3 > /home ...
[17:08] <ubuntuterrorist> sda3 is used by windows
[17:08] <ubuntuterrorist> sda4 could be /home
[17:08] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: it will be renamed. sdaX ...
[17:08] <ubuntuterrorist> but for that sda3 would be resized
[17:08] <ubuntuterrorist> hum
[17:09] <ubuntuterrorist> I will install everything in sda2
[17:09] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: no it wont be resized. just add the mountpoints on sda2. everything is automatics. sda3 (windows) wont be touched
[17:10] <ubuntuterrorist> I don't know
[17:16] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: the installer is warning about missing swap partition
[17:18] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: ubuntu installer does not offer the option to resize the partition
[17:19] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: dont resize the partition
[17:19] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: you can make an option swap partition of say.. 1gb. i am not sure if its necessary anymore...
[17:19] <thiebaude> ^
[17:19] <ubuntuterrorist> 4GB of RAM
[17:20] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: the warning says installation will have problems without swap
[17:20] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: yeah if you make a swap, and you have a modern computer, make it <1GB
[17:21] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: you prob dont need one though.
[17:21] <ubuntuterrorist> ponyrider: I can't see how I can create /home and swap
[17:23] <ponyrider> ubuntuterrorist: you dont HAVE to do it. if you want a /home partiton add that as a mountpoint.
[17:24] <ubuntuterrorist> I don't know how to do it
[17:24] <ubuntuterrorist> I chose to install ubuntu alongside windows
[17:26] <Mitt> ubuntuterrorist do you really need to have /home?
[17:26] <ubuntuterrorist> maybe not but I do need a swap
[17:26] <ubuntuterrorist> I can't choose the size and mountpoint for it
[17:26] <Mitt> ubuntuterrorist installer creates swap automatically
[17:27] <Mitt> you can actually resize
[17:27] <Mitt> pretty easy though
[17:27] <Pinkamen1_D> Unity crashed somehow but I managed to open a terminal and run it again without restarting
[17:27] <Pinkamen1_D> Can I somehow send this process to the background ?
[17:28] <Mitt> Pinkamen1_D what process?
[17:28] <ubuntuterrorist> Mitt: it doesn't
[17:29] <Mitt> ubuntuterrorist you will see after first reboot
[17:29] <ubuntuterrorist> Mitt: the warning doesn't say it will create swap
[17:29] <tgm4883> Mitt: it shouldn't be warning him about not having swap
[17:29] <ubuntuterrorist> it asks me to create swap
[17:29] <ubuntuterrorist> and I can't
[17:30] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: did you go into the manual partitioning thing?
[17:30] <ubuntuterrorist> no
[17:30] <ubuntuterrorist> I chose install ubuntu alongside windows
[17:30] <Pinkamen1_D> unity
[17:30] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: were you in there earlier?
[17:30] <ubuntuterrorist> no
[17:30] <Pinkamen1_D> as in, I just typed the word unity
[17:30] <Mitt> ubuntuterrorist install without, than resize windowz partition for some swap
[17:30] <ubuntuterrorist> Mitt: installer as for root partition
[17:30] <ubuntuterrorist> asks
[17:31] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: it shouldn't
[17:31] <ioria> ubuntuterrorist, you can create a swap file after
[17:31] <Mitt> Pinkamen1_D so unity is running what do you need else?
[17:31] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: you could just do manual partitioning. Should be easy enough
[17:31] <ubuntuterrorist> maybe
[17:31] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: how many disks do you have
[17:32] <Pinkamen1_D> Well, not so much as an emergency but more of a curiousity question, supposing I wanted to close the gnome terminal window but send unity to the background
[17:32] <tiyteeze> hey, it made a 404 error every time to install xubuntu-dektop on my nexus 7 (ubuntu 12.10) can someone help me?
[17:32] <Pinkamen1_D> how to do that?
[17:32] <Mitt> Pinkamen1_D closing the terminal will cause the ending of the process since it's running from terminal
[17:32] <Pinkamen1_D> I cant use the usual ALT+f2 trick
[17:33] <Mitt> you better reboot
[17:33] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: I only have one
[17:33] <Pinkamen1_D> lol, wer working with linux here, we don't have to resort to that. =D
[17:33] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: then it should be easy enough to just partition some space out and set up the partitions
[17:34] <ubuntuterrorist> I get the same results by selecting "something else"
[17:34] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: ok, but did you set up the parititons when selecting that?
[17:34] <Mitt> Pinkamen1_D lol but then don't close the terminal
[17:35] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: I can only select sda2, choose filesystem type and mount point
[17:35] <ubuntuterrorist> I cannot resize anything
[17:35] <ubuntuterrorist> the only solution is to ignore the swap warning
[17:35] <Pinkamen1_D> Sure, its unusual, but I KNOW someone knows a way to launch a process without requiring that the actual graphical window stay open. For example, whatever process is called when you press alt+f2
[17:35] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: what is sda2?
[17:35] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: empty partition
[17:36] <ubuntuterrorist> sda1 windows, sda3 windows
[17:36] <Mitt> Pinkamen1_D app launcher
[17:36] <ubuntuterrorist> sda2 should be ubuntu
[17:36] <Pinkamen1_D> what is that binary called?
[17:36] <Mitt> it's on keyboard shortcuts
[17:37] <Pinkamen1_D> But I can not use unity things before launching unity.
[17:37] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: I might have to boot the iso in a VM to check this. Shouldn't sda2 actually be nothing right now since we haven't installed anything yet?
[17:37] <Mitt> Pinkamen1_D look for words with "launcher"
[17:37] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: I believe it should just be labeled free space
[17:38] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: sda2 is empty, it "should be ubuntu" after I install it there
[17:38] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: Can you delete sda2
[17:38] <ben__> hi
[17:39] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: no it shows free space
[17:39] <ubuntuterrorist> now
[17:39] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: perfect
[17:40] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: how big of a swap partition do you want?
[17:40] <ubuntuterrorist> now what
[17:40] <ubuntuterrorist> that depends if I'm going to hibernate
[17:41] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: well I can't answer that for you...
[17:41] <ubuntuterrorist> I'm thinking
[17:42] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: swap can't be encrypted, so no
[17:42] <ubuntuterrorist> 1gb should be enough
[17:43] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: ok, how large is the free space
[17:43] <ubuntuterrorist> almost 200gb
[17:43] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: ok, so make a new partition on the free space that is 1GB in size and mark it as SWAP
[17:44] <sh4dow> hi
[17:44] <pontolino> hi
[17:45] <sh4dow> hi
[17:45] <shazzr> pontolino: hi there
[17:45] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: ok now for boot?
[17:45] <ubuntuterrorist> 100MB?
[17:46] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: do you want to make a bunch of separate partitions?
[17:46] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: or you could just let everything be on the same partition
[17:46] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: the default partitioner puts everything on one
[17:46] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: swap, boot, root, home
[17:47] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: ok, so a 100MB /boot should be fine
[17:47]  * tgm4883 crosses fingers that this is all on an extended partition
[17:47] <ubuntuterrorist> for root is more tricky
[17:47] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: it is
[17:47] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: good
[17:47] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: why is root more tricky
[17:48] <ubuntuterrorist> depends of what I'm going to install
[17:48] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: make it like 30GB
[17:48] <ubuntuterrorist> ok
[17:48] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: you could do less if you want, but that's a pretty safe amount
[17:49] <ubuntuterrorist> 20GB should be enough
[17:50] <tgm4883> ok
[17:50] <ubuntuterrorist> tgm4883: ext2 or ext4 for boot?
[17:50] <mcphail> ubuntuterrorist: Out of interest, can I ask why you're splitting the install over different partitions? It tends to cause headaches for little benefit
[17:51] <mcphail> "because I can" would be a perfectly reasonable response :)
[17:51] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: ext4
[17:51] <ubuntuterrorist> mcphail: because I want
[17:51] <mcphail> ubuntuterrorist: fair enough
[17:52] <CJKay> Hi all, I'm running a server trying to force TLS on my OpenLDAP configuration, but I'm getting this: ldap_start_tls: Protocol error (2)
[17:52] <CJKay>         additional info: unsupported extended operation
[17:53] <ubuntuterrorist> a quick search shows that ext4 is faster than ext2 but it has journaling
[17:53] <CJKay> According to all sources it definitely should be supported so I could do with some help
[17:53] <tgm4883> ubuntuterrorist: put what you want. I'm just saying that the default ubuntu install puts it all on one partition which uses ext4
[17:54] <ubuntuterrorist> ok
[17:57] <baxx> I'm having trouble with LaTex as the Ubuntu Repos are a bit behind the official sites. I'm wondering about how I would go about uninstalling and reinstalling tex, and what I should be aware of htere.
[17:58] <tgm4883> baxx: uninstalling and reinstalling the same version?
[17:58] <tgm4883> baxx: that would be "apt-get install --reinstall tex"
[17:58] <baxx> tgm4883: No - I have pdflatex 2.1, I think what I need is 3.0
[17:59] <baxx> reinstalling the same version would leave me in the same position i think
[17:59] <tgm4883> baxx: have you found that 3.0 is available somewhere?
[17:59] <baxx> I think that 3.0 is available from the Tug site
[17:59] <Mitt> baxx if the needed version is not available in the repos, you better compile it
[18:00] <baxx> tgm4883: to use the drawing here http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/159127/drawing-simple-graph-pattern-with-tikz/159162#159162
[18:00] <baxx> it needs a later version that the Ubuntu repo gives
[18:00] <baxx> Mitt: do you mean downloading it from the Tug site?
[18:00] <Mitt> baxx sure
[18:00] <baxx> that would be uninstalling the one I have on my system first no?
[18:01] <baxx> Mitt: ^
[18:01] <Eightynine> Hi. How can I make application windows look modern in LXDE on Ubuntu? Also how can I change LXDE start menu icon to look like Windows 8.1?
[18:01] <Mitt> baxx it will
[18:01] <Mitt> baxx it will upgrade your version
[18:01] <Yaki> hi Eightynine
[18:01] <baxx> Mitt: well thats kind of my query I guess, I think this post explains my point better : http://askubuntu.com/questions/608845/uninstall-latex-and-reinstall-from-official-site
[18:02] <Mitt> baxx but keep the downloaded folderso you can remove it easily
[18:03] <baxx> Mitt: I'm not following - downloading the version from Tug site will upgrade my version, so that I don't have to delete what I have?
[18:03] <tgm4883> baxx: http://askubuntu.com/questions/486170/upgrade-from-tex-live-from-2013-to-2014-on-ubuntu-14-04
[18:03] <baxx> tgm4883: thanks for that, I'll have a look now
[18:03] <ioria> Eightynine,  i remember an LXMenuEditor,  but no more
[18:03] <CJKay> Hi all, I'm running a server trying to force TLS on my OpenLDAP configuration, but I'm getting this: ldap_start_tls: Protocol error (2); additional info: unsupported extended operation
[18:03] <CJKay> According to all sources it definitely should be supported (and it really is not up to scratch if it isn't) so I could do with some help
[18:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> hello
[18:04] <MDTech-us_MAN> I am installing x86 ubuntu on virtualbox
[18:04] <Mitt> baxx no, of course no
[18:04] <PlotCitizen> Hey, I've run two separate files that contain identical data (I've used hexdump to verify there's not more or less) through a hash and it's a different one for each file, why is that?
[18:05] <baxx> Mitt: that wasn't obvious to me from what you said
[18:05] <Eightynine> How to completely remove MATE? I turned my Ubuntu to Ubuntu MATE but this DE is heavy and menu lags.
[18:05] <MDTech-us_MAN> after I start the installer, it stays on the splash screen for a sec or 2 then the screen turns plack and says tsc: Fast TSC calibration faled
[18:05] <MDTech-us_MAN> *black
[18:06] <Mitt> Eightynine install synaptic, search for mate, remove all its components and install gtkorphan to clean unnecessary libs
[18:07] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  virtual box ?
[18:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> yea
[18:09] <Eightynine> By the way why aptitude and Synaptic has been removed from Ubuntu by developers?
[18:10] <CJKay> "User-friendliness"
[18:10] <CJKay> aka "ask the marketing guy"
[18:10] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  can you access grub ?
[18:10] <Mitt> Eightynine aptitude is removed? synaptic does not follow their view on computing, same they hiding the terminal on unity
[18:11] <MDTech-us_MAN> I forgot what is the button to do it?
[18:11] <Eightynine> It would be better if they made a good package manager because dpkg and Gdebi are crap and can't resolve dependancies good.
[18:11] <tgm4883> CJKay: to be fair, it's not like they just removed them. They have the software center now
[18:11] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  shift or canc
[18:11] <MonkeyDust> Eightynine  you mean, removed from the iso? to keep the iso small enough
[18:11] <tgm4883> Eightynine: use the software center
[18:11] <MDTech-us_MAN> btw, this is on a installer cd
[18:12] <rektide> is there a program i can execute from a terminal to get Passwords & Keys ?
[18:12] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok
[18:12] <baxx> tgm4883: thanks for the link, that post doesn't mention anything abount uninstalling the previous version though, I'm guessing that this is something that I should do. ALso, what about other packages that have been installed via Ubuntus package manager such as LuaLatex and stuff?
[18:12] <CJKay> tgm4883: It doesn't really suffice IMO
[18:12] <MDTech-us_MAN> I got to the menu
[18:12] <CJKay> Still, at least it's still in the repos
[18:12] <tgm4883> CJKay: is there a reason behind that statement?
[18:12] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  try editing the grub menu with  clocksource=tsc  before quite slpash
[18:12] <Eightynine> It lacks some software. I could install Virtualbox, Skype and TeamViewer in Linux Mint using Software Center but there's no TeamViewer in Software Center in Ubuntu.
[18:12] <CJKay> tgm4883: You can't copy and paste instructions in the software centre and have magical things happen
[18:13] <MDTech-us_MAN> it says try Ubuntu. Install Ubuntu, Check disc, test memory, boot from firs hdd
[18:13] <tgm4883> CJKay: you can copy and paste instructions in synaptic?
[18:13] <MDTech-us_MAN> oh
[18:13] <MDTech-us_MAN> there if more options
[18:13] <MDTech-us_MAN> F
[18:13] <MDTech-us_MAN> F6
[18:13] <CJKay> tgm4883: It wasn't a literal statement
[18:13] <tgm4883> Eightynine: that has to do with repos, not the particular interface
[18:13] <daddy> Hi everybody
[18:13] <tgm4883> CJKay: strawman argument
[18:14] <MDTech-us_MAN> so, ioria, do I remove quiet splash?
[18:14] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  no ...
[18:14] <CJKay> tgm4883: I'm not on Ubuntu at the moment so I can't provide examples for either argument
[18:14] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  add clocksource=tsc
[18:14] <MDTech-us_MAN> its just 1 long line of text
[18:14] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok
[18:14] <MDTech-us_MAN> before the -- ?
[18:15] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  quit splash
[18:15] <MDTech-us_MAN> what you mean
[18:16] <tgm4883> CJKay: well it's good that you're on here telling everyone how software center doesn't meet your needs with all these facts to back up your statements ;)
[18:16] <MDTech-us_MAN> sorry for slight noobness. I didn't mess around in grub for some time
[18:16] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  you just have to add that parameter
[18:17] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok
[18:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> ahh
[18:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> better
[18:19] <manh> hi
[18:19] <manh> how can i get the list of room on Smuxi?
[18:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> I had to remove quiet splash for some arbitrary reason
[18:20] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  you can remove spash and add text if you wanna a  text strap
[18:20] <MDTech-us_MAN> it is starting...
[18:20] <MDTech-us_MAN> i think....
[18:20] <baxx> tgm4883: not sure if you saw my last msg re the removal of previous packages, managing packages that I have installed via offical repos. The thread you linked doesn't say anything about the uninstallation of things, just about adding the 2014 package, cheers
[18:20] <MDTech-us_MAN> hmm
[18:21] <PlotCitizen> Hey, I've run two separate files that contain identical data (I've used hexdump to verify there's not more or less) through a hash and it's a different one for each file, why is that?
[18:22] <tgm4883> baxx: idk. I would guess that removing the other packages should be fine
[18:22] <PCatinean> how does one reload the console?
[18:22] <ubuntuterrorist> blank screen
[18:22] <SchrodingersScat> PCatinean: reset?
[18:22] <PCatinean> when it's broken, a.k.a you cannot see what you are typing any more
[18:22] <PCatinean> thank you!
[18:22] <PCatinean> that was it
[18:22] <baxx> tgm4883: cheers, but would you remove ALL tex packages and reinstall them all? Things such as LuaLatex and others that I've downloaded
[18:23] <SchrodingersScat> PCatinean: welcome, happens to me all the time :)
[18:23] <Eightynine> How can I edit image to cut something from it?
[18:23] <ioria> ubuntuterrorist, no space for grub, maybe
[18:23] <MDTech-us_MAN> it seems stuck on hid-generic 0003:80EE:0021.0001: input,hidraw0: UUSB HID v1.10 Mouse [VirtualBox USB Tablet] on usb-0000:00:06.0-1/input0
[18:23] <PCatinean> SchrodingersScat, I swar I tried, reload, reboot, remake, restart, re...whatever
[18:23] <PCatinean> It was killing me...
[18:23] <PCatinean> swear*
[18:23] <ubuntuterrorist> ioria: no, grub is there. ubuntu booted but screen was blank
[18:23] <ioria> ubuntuterrorist, nomodeset
[18:23] <ubuntuterrorist> ok
[18:24] <MDTech-us_MAN> yea....
[18:24] <MDTech-us_MAN> it sure is stuck
[18:25] <adac> Guys I have really a lot of trouble with my lenovo T430s and the docking station and the moniotrs that hang on the dockingstation. MOst of the time my pc freezes when I unplug and plug it in again. Also on startup it cannot detect the monitor and all becomes very slow. Then I either have to shut it down by force or sometimes after 5 minutes it is able to detect the monitor
[18:25] <adac> really I cannot work like this
[18:25] <adac> I'm out of ideas
[18:27] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  what you have for mouse ?
[18:27] <hkrrsx> morning
[18:28] <MDTech-us_MAN> whatever Virtualbox says
[18:28] <MDTech-us_MAN> the host is Windows witha normal usb mouse
[18:28] <ubuntuterrorist> No UMS support in radeon module
[18:28] <tgm4883> baxx: no, just remove the texlive stuff
[18:28] <MDTech-us_MAN> ioria, ^
[18:28] <ubuntuterrorist> wtf
[18:29] <ubuntuterrorist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1407505
[18:29] <Combatjuan> Hello.  I have ~200 servers running Ubuntu 14.04.  Of them ~50% have pid_max set to 32768, ~50% to 49152, but the newest two have it set to 147456.  I can't figure out what is setting them that way.  It's not in sysctl.conf.  syslog sets it to that value on boot.  Why?  Where?  How?
[18:31] <Combatjuan> The internet seems to think that pid_max is set by /etc/sysctl.conf but it's not being set there.  And it looks like threads.h controls the default value but I don't see how that could be getting the value 147456.  I feel like I've googled to the end of the internet.  So here I am.  any ideas?
[18:32] <hkrrsx> Combatjuan: Check this out .... http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-increase-pid-limits.html
[18:32] <Combatjuan> hkrrsx: Yes.  That shows how to set it but not where the default would be coming from.
[18:33] <MDTech-us_MAN> maybe it is somehow calculated on install
[18:33] <genii> Combatjuan: Check /etc/security/limits.conf
[18:33] <MDTech-us_MAN> or on boot
[18:33] <MDTech-us_MAN> or that
[18:33] <Combatjuan> I think that's likely.  And given that the two new servers run V3 intel server processors, it seems likely it somehow comes from there.  But I can't find where it's even saved on disk.
[18:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> check genii's suggestion
[18:35] <Combatjuan> genii, nothing in there.  More generally, the following have no results: grep 147456 -R /etc; grep pid_max -R /etc -i;
[18:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> then it may be calculated on boot
[18:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> which is smarted than only doing it on install
[18:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> if it is done on install, then there may be problems if the hardware was upgraded and it did not change it
[18:36] <Combatjuan> Very true.  So I guess I can force it to some value <= 65536 in sysctl.conf.
[18:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> but why would you need it to be the same in the first place?
[18:37] <genii> Combatjuan: Yeah you could use kernel.pid_max   value in there
[18:37] <genii> Perhaps they are running different kernels than the others
[18:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> if it is calculated by the system, then there must be some reason they are different
[18:38] <_Trullo> when is linux 4 beeing released?
[18:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> check the kernels are the same, like genii said
[18:38] <ioria> MDTech-us_MAN,  you can try with others parameters after clocksource, -  acpi_pm, or hpet
[18:38] <genii> MDTech-us_MAN: Yes, that's why I'm wondering about kernel versions. Might be 32vs 64 bit kernel thing, or later kernel might have higher default
[18:39] <genii> _Trullo: You could ask in ##linux
[18:39] <MDTech-us_MAN> yea, exactly my point, genii
[18:39] <EriC^^> cat /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max
[18:39] <MDTech-us_MAN> ioria, i'll give it a try
[18:40] <EriC^^> it's in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.3.0.0
[18:41] <genii> So libprocps3 package
[18:42] <Combatjuan> genii - They are running the same kernels (well, at least most of them are).
[18:43] <genii> Combatjuan: Operative word here might be "most"
[18:43] <Combatjuan> Nah.  My sample size on this is large enough that I'm certain those are the only machines that have the 147456 value.  And they've had it on their last 3 kernel versions. None of the others have on the same kernel versions.
[18:44] <MDTech-us_MAN> well, if there are 2 different servers with the same kernel but different pidmax....
[18:44] <Combatjuan> MDTech-us_MAN: That is the case.
[18:44] <MDTech-us_MAN> so, my guess is it is calculated somewhere, somehow
[18:45] <MDTech-us_MAN> possibly according to the specs
[18:45] <Combatjuan> EriC^^: I think you may have been talking to me.  pid_max is 147456 (as given by /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max) on 2 servers and something different on a hundred others.
[18:48] <genii> Thonly other limiting factor for pid I can think of would be the limit of subdirectories allowed on a partuclar filesystem since /proc<Pdid#> has to be created for each one
[18:48] <sergio_> hello
[18:49] <genii> meh typos
[18:50] <Combatjuan> genii: That's actually an interesting theory....  Well, they're all ext4, but it does just so happen that the two that have 147456 are also the only two that have SSDs (which may have changed some part of the filesystem setup during the install?)
[18:50] <Guest52849> how do Isolve a "failed to fetch" error on ubuntu update
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> Guest52849  if it's a ppa, rmeove it
[18:50] <izimh> hello
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> remove*
[18:50] <Guest52849> how to solve the #failed to fetch" error on ubuntu update
[18:52] <MDTech-us_MAN> Combatjuan, well, that does affect the specs in a good way, so if it is calculated by specs, then there it is
[18:53] <jmadero> is there a way to integrate google voice (for text messaging) into pidgin
[18:54] <Combatjuan> MDTech-us_MAN, genii: Ok.  I'll go with that as an explanation.  Thank you both.
[18:54] <MDTech-us_MAN> np
[18:55] <MDTech-us_MAN> you should be able to change it if you desperatly need to
[18:55] <ronh> "Install ubuntu alongside windows" <- if I select that will I be asked to what disk and partition will ubuntu be installed?
[18:55] <EriC^^> ronh: i dont think so
[18:55] <MDTech-us_MAN> no
[18:56] <MDTech-us_MAN> it may let you chose which disk though
[18:56] <ronh> how does it decide, then?
[18:56] <MDTech-us_MAN> it also asks the size
[18:56] <MDTech-us_MAN> the size of the partition
[18:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> well, what else whould you want to give it?
[18:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> its just a more user friendly way of saying "Install Ubuntu on another partition on the drive that Windows is installed to"
[18:58] <ronh> I have 250GB ssd and I left 50GB for ubuntu.. along side some data disks. not sure if I should trust ubuntu installation to get it right. will it at least ask for confirmation? how smart does it try to be
[18:58] <MDTech-us_MAN> ronh: ^
[18:58] <OerHeks> It will give a confirmation.
[18:58] <EriC^^> ronh: partition yourself, why find out
[18:58] <MDTech-us_MAN> yea
[18:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> it gives confirmation
[18:59] <EriC^^> click on Something else
[18:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> or if you want to feel smart click something else
[18:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> just dont forget to add swap and assign the root drive
[18:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> partition i mean
[18:59] <ronh> do I need swap? I wasn't counting for it.
[19:00] <MDTech-us_MAN> ...
[19:00] <ronh> 16 GB of ram
[19:00] <ioria> wow
[19:00] <EriC^^> ronh: only if you want hibernation
[19:00] <ronh> standard would be swap = ram * 2, yes? that is a lot of SSD space
[19:00] <bekks> ronh: You need swap == ram if you plan to use hibernation.
[19:00] <EriC^^> ronh: yes, in 1994 or something
[19:00] <bekks> ronh: That standard was outdated 15 years ago :)
[19:00] <MDTech-us_MAN> http://askubuntu.com/questions/291378/do-we-still-need-swap-partitions-on-desktop
[19:01] <MDTech-us_MAN> so, if you do not want to hibernate, it will be fine to have like 4-8GB
[19:02] <EriC^^> he will probably never use that
[19:02] <dasdre> my audio is dead, no devices detected, alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory, and /dev/sndstat does not exist. what do?
[19:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> depends on what he does
[19:02] <EriC^^> dasdre: try rebooting
[19:03] <dasdre> It worked earlier, but then i tried to install gnome (botched it, broken packages and shit)
[19:03] <dasdre> i should probably ppa-purge
[19:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> I actually never had an SSD in any of my computers only 1+TB HDDs, so I wouldn't know
[19:04] <tgm4883> bekks: isn't it RAM+1MB? I thought there was a tiny bit of overhead
[19:04] <ronh> if I need to hibernate would swap need to equal ram in size?
[19:04] <MDTech-us_MAN> at least
[19:04] <MDTech-us_MAN> there is always sleep though....
[19:04] <bekks> ronh: Yes.
[19:04] <bekks> ronh: you'll need a small overhead too, like 100M.
[19:05] <MDTech-us_MAN> I tried hibernating on my laptop, no go
[19:05] <dasdre> how do i unfuck my packages
[19:05] <dasdre> i tried to install gnome but there shit with broken packages
[19:05] <dasdre> do i ppa-purge and try again
[19:05] <EriC^^> dasdre: did you install from a ppa?
[19:05] <dasdre> yeah
[19:06] <dasdre> the gnome3 ppa
[19:06] <EriC^^> try to ppa-purge
[19:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> it actually was disabled by default, but after I enabled it and tried it, it got all buggy after hibernation
[19:06] <dasdre> i'm doing that atm
[19:08] <dasdre> can i remove these: http://pastebin.com/wRnZVCev
[19:09] <ayy> ayy lmao
 ayy lmao
[19:10] <dasdre> just do /me lmao
[19:10] <ayy> you cant make me
[19:10]  * bekks can
[19:11] <ayy> i have ubuntu fgt
[19:11] <ayy> good luck
[19:12] <dasdre> 2/3 gnome ppas
[19:13] <bleg> Hi, is it okay to ask Clonezilla backup questions here? I'm trying to clone a partition to local disk. The first warning message it gives me says it will overwrite partition sdb2, which is fine. The 2nd warning message it gives me says it will overwrite sdb, which is NOT fine.
[19:13] <dasdre> 3/3
[19:13] <dasdre> gtgt
[19:13] <dasdre> *gtg
[19:13] <bazhang> bleg, they have a channel here on freenode, you realize
[19:14] <bleg> Oh, whoops. Thanks
[19:14] <bazhang> #clonezilla bleg
[19:14] <bazhang> np
[19:17] <TimeVirus> hello I'm having a heck of a time getting this installed onto this Compaq Presario CQ56 - I have freed up 1 of the primary partitions to get it on but I would also like to use LVM for the new Ubuntu install
[19:17] <TimeVirus> supyp?
[19:17] <TimeVirus> the LVM option is grayed out
[19:18] <TimeVirus> why would it not be available
[19:18] <TimeVirus> I need 2 free partitions?
[19:20] <ioria> TimeVirus,  you got Windows 8 ?
[19:20] <gunnar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpLVM-WithoutACleanInstall
[19:20] <TimeVirus> no sir not and hopefully never
[19:21] <ioria> :-P
[19:21] <ioria> TimeVirus,  other OS ?
[19:21] <TimeVirus> win 7 in there now
[19:21] <TimeVirus> this isnt going to be my puter
[19:21] <TimeVirus> it belongs to a friend of mine I'm trying to get him on an Ubuntu
[19:22] <TimeVirus> I'm pretty sure thats going to be rough as it can get
[19:22] <TimeVirus> so I dont want to wipe out win 7 just yet
[19:22] <TimeVirus> for him
[19:22] <ioria> TimeVirus,  uefi motherboard  ?
[19:22] <gunnar> TimeVirus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#LVM_Installation_Guides
[19:23] <TimeVirus> not sure about mom board
[19:23] <gunnar> Ok then
[19:24] <gunnar> TimeVirus: It seems there are some limitations on when you can use LVM.
[19:24] <TimeVirus> I've got Xubuntu Live in the laptop now how would I find out what mobo hes got without inxi?
[19:24] <TimeVirus> really?
[19:24] <TimeVirus> wow
[19:25] <TimeVirus> I mean LVM and Ubuntu need 2 primary partitions the?
[19:25] <gunnar> TimeVirus: by that I just mean, for example when doing dual boot LVM can not be used and so on.
[19:25] <TimeVirus> then*
[19:25] <TimeVirus> oh I see
[19:25] <TimeVirus> ok
[19:25] <TimeVirus> bah
[19:25] <ofoto> i was using kwin over xfce , i uninstalled amd proprietary but now im getting error on the window effects because they require OpenGL and choosing any of them doesnt work
[19:26] <ioria> TimeVirus,  try this : http://askubuntu.com/questions/470632/install-lvm-dual-boot-with-windows
[19:26] <TimeVirus> then I have to have 2 primary partitions, 1 for Ubuntu and 1 for swap, yes?
[19:26] <gunnar> http://askubuntu.com/questions/470632/install-lvm-dual-boot-with-windows
[19:26] <TimeVirus> I was hoping to use LVM with 1 partiton
[19:26] <TimeVirus> aha
[19:26] <gunnar> sorry.
[19:26] <gunnar> Checking ioria's link
[19:27] <TimeVirus> also remember reading somewhere that Linux doesnt even need 1 primary partition
[19:27] <TimeVirus> at least for Ubuntu is that untrue?
[19:27] <TimeVirus> must be
[19:27] <gunnar> OK I think this will help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[19:28] <gunnar> absorb the wisdom.
[19:28] <TimeVirus> lol
[19:28] <gunnar> ioira: :P
[19:29] <TimeVirus> getting this guy on Linux is ROUGH!
[19:29] <ioria> hi  gunnar how are you doing ?
[19:29] <gunnar> Super, you?
[19:29] <yorwos> should i try to purge kde-workspace and reinstall it or does it look like something is weird with my system ?  i also seem to have lots of xorg.conf files but they all look like backups , either.original-3 or fglrx-3
[19:29] <ioria> gunnar so and so , thanx for asking
[19:30] <gunnar> ioria: anythin for you :D
[19:30] <magicuk>  /msg NickServ SETPASS magicuk eiafemmbkmym st2011
[19:30] <magicuk> ffs
[19:30] <magicuk> oops
[19:30] <gunnar> HAHAH!
[19:30] <magicuk> lmao
[19:30] <magicuk> i hate nickserv
[19:30] <magicuk> :)
[19:31] <TimeVirus> lol
[19:31] <yorwos> if i "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to reconfigure it it says there is no such file
[19:31] <magicuk> Hey guys long time no speak , yes i just fucked up oh well
[19:31] <Ben64> yorwos: it doesn't exist by default, and thats not how to reconfigure it
[19:31] <magicuk> :)
[19:31] <Ben64> magicuk: watch the language
[19:32] <genii> yorwos: No xorg.conf is created ny default any longer.
[19:32] <genii> ny/by
[19:32] <magicuk> brbg
[19:32] <magicuk> brb
[19:32] <TimeVirus> so just to clear this up - Ubuntu and Swap each need ot have a primary partition to be installed - is that right? Dual boot included ofc
[19:32] <Ben64> TimeVirus: no
[19:32] <yorwos> is there a reason i shouold create one ?
[19:32] <k1l> TimeVirus: make an extended partition and put all ubuntu partitions in there
[19:32] <TimeVirus> ok
[19:33] <yorwos> my problem is kwin cant use opengl after uninstalling amd proprie
[19:33] <TimeVirus> cool then
[19:33] <TimeVirus> thanks
[19:33] <k1l> so the extended counts as one primary then
[19:33] <TimeVirus> right got it thanks
[19:33] <RudyValencia-> Hi, so I'm trying to set up an email server for my organization, is there a good guide on how to set up a proper, secure email server?
[19:34] <ioria> RudyValencia-, sure ... give me a sec
[19:34] <RudyValencia> thanks
[19:35] <zerobyte> RudyValencia: i like this one -> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Mail_Server_setup
[19:35] <AloeVera> Hello!
[19:36] <RudyValencia> does it provide secure (TLS-encrypted) access?
[19:36] <zerobyte> yes
[19:36] <yorwos> does this opengl thing have to do with xorg.conf maybe or should i look other solutions ?
[19:36] <magicuk> finaly :)
[19:36] <magicuk> sorry about that lol
[19:36] <zerobyte> lol
[19:36] <genii> yorwos: Did you purge the proprietary ones as described here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/VideoDriverDetection#Problem:_Need_to_purge_-fglrx
[19:36] <AloeVera> yorwos: didnt see your issue, but openGL problems are usually related to your drivers
[19:37] <ioria> RudyValencia-, in two words, you have to install postfix and dovecot, plus amavis clamav and if you want virtual user a database managment...
[19:38] <ioria> RudyValencia, sure if you configure postfix and dovecot
[19:38] <yorwos> i used http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-proprietary-ati-drivers the commands seem to be the same
[19:38] <RudyValencia> ah
[19:38] <RudyValencia> OK I'll try again :)
[19:39] <ioria> RudyValencia, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Mail_Server_setup
[19:39] <gunnar> ioria:  One quick question, just for kicks I want to set up my own mail server, I'm thinking about forwarding all my gmal stuff there.  What do you think about anubis and an intermediary?
[19:39] <gunnar> anubis as an intermediary*
[19:39] <stacks88> RudyValencia google iredmail
[19:39] <ioria> RudyValencia, a smart host is another thing...
[19:39] <stacks88> its a good solution rolled into one
[19:40] <yorwos> ok i have to reboot brb
[19:40] <stacks88> but you may want to create a guest linux vm for it and run it on there
[19:40] <stacks88> i too was needign a mail solution
[19:40] <ioria> RudyValencia, i thought it was for internal usage
[19:40] <stacks88> and im telling you iredmail was a savior
[19:40] <ioria> RudyValencia, but it can be done
[19:40] <stacks88> It uses dovecot, postfix and all that
[19:40] <RudyValencia> all it will be is email for a handful of domains
[19:41] <RudyValencia> and with aliases
[19:41] <RudyValencia> I'll try out iredmail :)
[19:41] <ioria> RudyValencia, virtual users you eman ?
[19:41] <gunnar> ioria: do you know anything at all about anubisÐ
[19:41] <RudyValencia> gunnar: no
[19:41] <RudyValencia> oops, sorry
[19:42] <ioria> gunnar ... not at the moment , sorry :_(
[19:42] <RudyValencia> ioria: yeah, e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>goes to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:42] <gunnar> ioria: that's ok, thanks anyway :)
[19:42] <ioria> RudyValencia, yes, np
[19:42] <RudyValencia> hm, $500 for iredadmin with web panel is a bit much
[19:42] <RudyValencia> oops iredmail
[19:42] <stacks88> RudyValencia you dont need the pro panel
[19:42] <stacks88> it comes w/ free panel
[19:43] <ioria> RudyValencia, :-)
[19:43] <RudyValencia> oh, does it provide enough to configure simple email with secure (TLS) access and virtual addresses?
[19:43] <stacks88> yeah
[19:43] <ioria> RudyValencia, it's not difficult... i was looking for a good link... that now exists only in italian..
[19:43] <stacks88> RudyValencia i was just like you. I was sitting there trying to do dovecot and postfix by hand and all that, and its possible, but screw all that. iredmail is one big solution its dope. trust me, you'll see. Create a linux guest vm and put it on there and you will see
[19:44] <RudyValencia> stacks88: I'll just set it up on this new Linode VM I'm building
[19:44] <gunnar> stacks88: You wouldn't happen to be one of the devs if iredmail, would you? :P
[19:44] <gunnar> of*
[19:44] <ioria> RudyValencia,  here we are: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[19:44] <stacks88> gunnar did you do /msg or /notice
[19:45] <stacks88> so i know how to reply back
[19:45] <RudyValencia> I'll give iredmail a try
[19:45] <gunnar> I'm just messing with ya, I'm clearly not in any useful gear.  off to offtopic I go.
[19:45] <stacks88> no i know
[19:45] <stacks88> but ive been wondering
[19:46] <stacks88> when people send me a message that way
[19:46] <stacks88> its the same way you sent it
[19:46] <stacks88> so im asking you, did you do /msg or /notice
[19:46] <gunnar> using a cli irc client, do no idea.
[19:46] <gunnar> so*
[19:47] <gunnar> Going to off-topic before I feel the fury of OerHeks
[19:48] <yorwos> my opengl kwin issue didnt resolve unfortunately
[19:49] <AloeVera> OOH IVE DEALT WITH THAT
[19:49] <AloeVera> try setting it to xrender
[19:50] <yorwos> xrender goes by default now , but i cant use wobble and magic lamp and i dont know what else i was using
[19:50] <AloeVera>  welp
[19:50] <AloeVera> try openGL3 + egl
[19:52] <yorwos> i tried all possible combos , xrender-1.2-2-3.1 and native-raster in each but none works
[19:52] <AloeVera> sounds like a video driver issue then?
[19:52] <Puppolo_killer> ciao
[19:54] <yorwos> dunno ... shouold i try to install amd proprie again to see if it fixes itself i guess ?
[19:54] <yorwos> i dont see much left to try
[19:54] <yorwos> reinstalled xorg and all
[19:54] <ioria> gunnar have a good supper ... bye
[19:55] <EriC^^> yorwos: did you install the ati driver from their website?
[19:55] <mmiller13> Does anyone know if apt-get dis-upgrade would also upgrade my kernel
[19:55] <EriC^^> mmiller13: yeah
[19:55] <yorwos> i had installed it from the website yes
[19:55] <EriC^^> it does
[19:55] <mmiller13> Thanks...
[19:55] <EriC^^> yorwos: ok and you tried to remove it and stuff got messed up?
[19:56] <EriC^^> yorwos: there's supposed to be an uninstall bin in /usr/share/ati or so, i didn't find it though
[19:57] <EriC^^> and purging it and reinstalling the xorg ones wouldn't boot so i had to reinstall the ati ones
[19:57] <yorwos> i removed it and kwin window manager running on top of my xfce lost some effects with the error u need opengl for this and click opengl options does nothing
[19:57] <mmiller13> Does anyone know why my comp keeps overheating? Especially when I use excell graphics
[19:57] <EriC^^> and some way or another when i ran dist-upgrade a few days later everything worked again and im back on the open source ones
[19:57] <yorwos> i booted , and for some reason i have no xorg.conf anymore but im using graphics heh
[19:58] <yorwos> some thiings came up on update lets hope
[19:59] <EriC^^> it might work
[20:00] <EriC^^> yorwos: it asked me whether i wanted to remove fglrx-core and something else
[20:00] <postmodern> how does one undo a dpkg --add --rename --divert ?
[20:01] <yorwos> well ill just update xorg and reboot
[20:01] <yorwos> just in cases the updates needs it
[20:02] <EriC^^> try sudo apt-get install --reintall xserver-xorg-video-all
[20:03] <yorwos> ok did it
[20:03] <yorwos> rebooting heh
[20:03] <yorwos> brb
[20:07] <yorwos> YEAA :D its fixed
[20:07] <EriC^^> cool :D
[20:08] <john_doe_jr> how to merge unallocated space using gparted ubuntu
[20:08] <yorwos> thanx :)
[20:08] <EriC^^> yorwos: no problem :)
[20:10] <nicolas_> ok
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> john_doe_jr  if both partitions are primary or extended (must be the same) : backup, then delete the other partition, merge, put data back
[20:12] <EriC^^> john_doe_jr: boot a live usb if it's an ubuntu partition and right click and click on resize
[20:13] <EriC^^> john_doe_jr: backing up first is probably a good idea
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> john_doe_jr  EriC^^ resizing without dataloss can be done, technically, but it takes forever (I tried it)
[20:15] <EriC^^> MonkeyDust: never tried it but i guess it would unless the space is right after the partition
[20:15] <EriC^^> then it should only take a few seconds
[20:19] <le_tout_pettit> hello! can anybody help me decide between kubuntu or ubuntu gnome?
[20:19] <le_tout_pettit> in terms of productivity (i'm a translator and an amateur designer)
[20:19] <EriC^^> le_tout_pettit: it's really a matter of preference, try them both and decide
[20:19] <newbnewb> I cant get software manager or software updater to work on a new install
[20:19] <newbnewb> ive reintalled twice
[20:19] <le_tout_pettit> which one has the best software?
[20:20] <newbnewb> ive tried to follow fixes on askubuntu and advice from others online and nothing works....can somebody try and help?
[20:20] <EriC^^> newbnewb: did you end up checksumming the usb?
[20:20] <EriC^^> le_tout_pettit: i never tried kde long enough to know
[20:20] <le_tout_pettit> EriC^^: i find goddies and 'baddies' in both but i see kde apps have a very active app development while gnome is staying in too simple things
[20:20] <EriC^^> i thought it was pretty ugly and bloated (imho) and removed it pretty quickly
[20:20] <yorwos> im a photographer i chose xfce
[20:20] <newbnewb> Eric I dont know how and we lost contact
[20:21] <newbnewb> I had no idea where we were in terminal...I was just doing what you said
[20:21] <yorwos> xfce+kwin on top heh
[20:21] <le_tout_pettit> lol
[20:21] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i got disconnected
[20:21] <yorwos> i like the fact the panels r so customizable , im running 3 of them around my screen
[20:22] <newbnewb> sure I wasnt complaining....just saying I had no idea how to continue
[20:22] <newbnewb> and nobody picked it up
[20:22] <EriC^^> newbnewb: mount the usb again and then open a terminal and type lsblk
[20:22] <le_tout_pettit> i have a weird feeling, i love gnome shell, it's behavior and its look but here i'm feeling i'm loosing amazing kde apps
[20:22] <le_tout_pettit> :S
[20:22] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i know
[20:22] <newbnewb> ok I did that
[20:23] <newbnewb> toshiba@toshibalaptop:~$ lsblk NAME                         MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT sda                            8:0    0 111.8G  0 disk  ├─sda1                         8:1    0   243M  0 part /boot ├─sda2                         8:2    0     1K  0 part  └─sda5                         8:5    0 111.6G  0 part    ├─ubuntu--vg-root (dm-0)   252:0    0 109.6G  0 lvm  /   └─ubuntu--vg-swap_1 (dm-1) 252:1
[20:23] <yorwos> when u say shell u mean the terminal ?
[20:23] <le_tout_pettit> nope, i mean gnome-shell
[20:23] <le_tout_pettit> lol
[20:23] <EriC^^> newbnewb: paste in paste.ubuntu.com
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> newbnewb  next time, use a !pastebin for such long pastes
[20:24] <newbnewb> paste.ubuntu.com only?
[20:24] <yorwos> the system can ban u for long pastes i was banned for it heh
[20:24] <yorwos> its automatic
[20:24] <EriC^^> newbnewb: or any other pastebin
[20:24] <EriC^^> newbnewb: mount the usb in nautilus
[20:24] <newbnewb> i mean I was confused as to exactly what to enter and what was instruction
[20:24] <newbnewb> just put "paste.ubuntu.com" and enter?
[20:25] <EriC^^> newbnewb: oh, no it's a website
[20:25] <newbnewb> you want me to go to ubuntu.com?
[20:25] <newbnewb> im lost
[20:25] <EriC^^> le_tout_pettit: like what kde apps?
[20:25] <MirodroidU2> le_tout_pettit, Gnome-shell is a terminal :|
[20:26] <EriC^^> le_tout_pettit: you could install the apps i think, it would install the qt libraries and you could use the apps too i think
[20:26] <MirodroidU2> same with Konsole
[20:26] <le_tout_pettit> like digikam, krita, lokalize, for example
[20:28] <le_tout_pettit> but lokalize for example even install dolphin
[20:28] <le_tout_pettit> it's like i don't want a gnome with dolphin :S that's weird lol
[20:29] <newbnewb> can anyone else help me? EricC doesnt have stable enough internet it seems
[20:29] <EriC^> newbnewb: i got dc
[20:30] <newbnewb> I know...your internet is worse than mine ;)
[20:30] <newbnewb> jesus
[20:30] <newbnewb> its pointless
[20:30] <EriC^> yeah usually i use another connection but it's limited traffic and i've not recharged yet
[20:30] <newbnewb> ok
[20:30] <EriC^> anyways yeah go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste whatever output you get
[20:31] <ferz> Hi
[20:31] <EriC^> or install pastebinit and it'll upload the output for you and give you a link
[20:31] <EriC^> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:31] <newbnewb> command not found
[20:31] <newbnewb> ok
[20:31] <ferz> I've a trouble with laptop keyboard: it seems disabled. I've to use a external usb keyboard.
[20:32] <EriC^> ferz: does it work right after the pc boots?
[20:32] <EriC^> like for the bios?
[20:32] <newbnewb> @EricC sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:32] <newbnewb> oops sorry
[20:32] <newbnewb> Reading package lists... Error! E: Read error - read (5: Input/output error) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. toshiba@toshibalaptop:~$
[20:32] <newbnewb> this is what I get whenever I try to instal/uninstall/purge anything
[20:33] <ferz> EriC^: it worked fine until last afternoon suspend
[20:33] <EriC^> ferz: turn off the laptop, remove the battery and put it back in
[20:33] <newbnewb> same output when I tried to uninstall and reinstall Softwre manager etc
[20:33] <ferz> EriC^: I've not modified the bios
[20:33] <EriC^> ferz: you could hold the power button if you wanted to make sure the capacitors all discharge
[20:33] <ferz> EriC^: ok
[20:34] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok mount the usb
[20:34] <newbnewb> its mounted
[20:34] <EriC^> ok type df | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:34] <ferz> EriC^: so you think that's a pc trouble not an OS trouble.
[20:35] <OerHeks> newbnewb, do you run this in terminal with softwarecenter open, by any chance?
[20:35] <newbnewb> http://termbin.com/gyyu toshiba@toshibalaptop:~$
[20:35] <EriC^> ferz: try to enter the bios to know if it's an os or pc issue
[20:35] <ronh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq says I need 20 GB swap to be able to hibernate on a system with 16GB ram.. not 16+1?
[20:35] <newbnewb> OerHeks Sotware Center and Software Updater wont open
[20:35] <EriC^> ferz: i think it might have to do with the pc not shutting off properly and removing the battery might fix it
[20:35] <newbnewb> they start....dont populate...then go away
[20:35] <udevd> could anyone download driver.tar.gz from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267961&page=12 and send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:35] <ferz> EriC^: thank you
[20:35] <udevd> i do not want to register just for some attachment
[20:36] <EriC^> ferz: no problem
[20:36] <newbnewb> and the notification thing gives an error about packages not being able to open or be parsed
[20:36] <anjo_n3gro> .i,
[20:37] <EriC^> newbnewb: type md5sum -c /media/toshiba/32GB\ USB/md5sum.txt
[20:38] <newbnewb> you want me to paste all output? its a lot and seems rude to fill the entire screen here
[20:38] <udevd> ...pretty please?
[20:38] <udevd> 20:35 < udevd> could anyone download driver.tar.gz from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267961&page=12 and send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:38] <EriC^> newbnewb: type md5sum -c /media/toshiba/32GB\ USB/md5sum.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:39] <newbnewb> again a LOT of output
[20:39] <EriC^> newbnewb: any failed files?
[20:39] <ronh> s
[20:39] <newbnewb> mostly saying no such file or firectory and 54 not able to be read
[20:39] <newbnewb> yeah most all say failed
[20:39] <EriC^> newbnewb: type md5sum -c /media/toshiba/32GB\ USB/md5sum.txt | grep -i fail
[20:39] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok, iso downloading time
[20:40] <newbnewb> so its bad?
[20:40] <EriC^> yeah
[20:40] <EriC^> do some say OK and not failed?
[20:40] <EriC^> just a sanity check
[20:40] <newbnewb> how does it work except for the software center and updater if so much is wrong?
[20:40] <newbnewb> let me look again to see if any are ok
[20:41] <EriC^> newbnewb: maybe you have to cd first
[20:41] <newbnewb> EricC all of them say either no such file or directory or failed
[20:41] <EriC^> try cd /media/toshiba/32GB\ USB
[20:41] <EriC^> ok cd first
[20:42] <newbnewb> ok done
[20:42] <newbnewb> how to you go back to main directory just so I know?
[20:42] <EriC^> and type ls and tell us if there is a md5sum.txt file there
[20:42] <newbnewb> toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba/32GB USB$ ls autorun.inf  casper-rw  ldlinux.sys  pool                syslinux boot         dists      md5sum.txt   preseed             wubi.exe casper       install    pics         README.diskdefines toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba/32GB USB$
[20:42] <EriC^> newbnewb: cd .. takes you back a dir, cd alone takes you to your home dir
[20:43] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok, type md5sum -c md5sum.txt
[20:43] <newbnewb> all say ok this time
[20:44] <EriC^> are you sure
[20:44] <EriC^> try md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep -i fail
[20:44] <newbnewb> yes its about one page of output and all say ok....will do other command now
[20:45] <newbnewb> toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba/32GB USB$ md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep -i fail
[20:53] <newbnewb> Eric C still there?
[20:53] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok, type sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[20:54] <EriC^> newbnewb: and sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* just in case
[20:55] <newbnewb> rm: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/apt/lists/partial’: Is a directory
[20:55] <newbnewb> eas output for first one
[20:55] <EriC^> no problem
[20:55] <EriC^> ok
[20:55] <sed> hello all i'm newest
[20:55] <newbnewb> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
[20:56] <newbnewb> sorry
[20:56] <newbnewb> rm: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*’: No such file or directory
[20:56] <newbnewb> output for second one
[20:56] <EriC^> newbnewb: type sudo mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[20:56] <EriC^> that might be why it wasn't working
[20:57] <newbnewb> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/var/lib/apt/lists/partial’: File exists
[20:57] <newbnewb> i must be in some twilight zone as nothing anyone tells me works like it should :P
[20:57] <EriC^> those errors dont make sense
[20:57] <newbnewb> yeah so goes everything I do
[20:57] <EriC^> type ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[20:58] <EriC^> ah actually they do
[20:58] <EriC^> the partial dir is empty
[20:58] <newbnewb> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 13 10:19 /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[20:58] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok, type sudo apt-get update
[20:59] <newbnewb> its working....but it always ends the same with a failure when I do this
[20:59] <MonkeyDust> I wonder, how is it, that newbnewb struggles so hard?
[20:59] <newbnewb> saying unable to parse etc...will see
[20:59] <newbnewb> Monkey Dust I am old and slow....but I am also doing exactly as told and it doesnt work...I dont know ahts wrong
[21:00] <newbnewb> its why I get so frustrated....nothing does as expected
[21:00] <newbnewb> and even you guys who are experts are unable to sort it ...so what chance do I ahve?
[21:01] <newbnewb> maybe I should get an iPad and give up on life :P
[21:02] <k1l> newbnewb: i see you just giving the complain story, again. please stick to actually facts. this is just demotivating others to help you
[21:02] <newbnewb> kll i was just explaining
[21:02] <Nytram> Serious question time. Anyone know an irc where I can talk to webdevs with the view to creating a website for me?
[21:03] <bprompt> Nytram:     #css-lance   or hmmm #web maybe
[21:03] <newbnewb> trying to put human face on my frustration...showing I am trying
[21:03] <k1l> !alis | Nytram try this to find channels
[21:04] <bprompt> Nytram:     there's always    www.rentacoder.com also
[21:05] <twiler> Hello?
[21:05] <bprompt> allo
[21:05] <twiler> Anyone there?
[21:05] <newbnewb> EricC its done and this time didnt end with the usual error
[21:05] <newbnewb> usually ends with failure and unable to parse after all the dowloading
[21:05] <twiler> WOW! Real live oeople!
[21:05] <bprompt> heheh
[21:06] <newbnewb> this time says fetched 22mb and reading lists is done
[21:06] <twiler> OK, I'm gonna ask for help here, and hope that someone can help me!
[21:06] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok, great
[21:06] <bprompt> twiler:     bear in mind the channel topic
[21:07] <EriC^> newbnewb: type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:07] <newbnewb> oh....usually I am in root right? this time we did it in the usb drive
[21:07] <newbnewb> still from being in usb drive?
[21:07] <twiler> OK, bprompt I apologize
[21:07] <EriC^> newbnewb: yeah it doesn't matter
[21:07] <Nytram> bprompt, Excellent, thank you. 8)
[21:07] <bprompt> np
[21:08] <bprompt> !ask | twiler
[21:08] <newbnewb> ok....says 230mb will be added so will take some time as I have 1mbps internet
[21:08] <newbnewb> probably an hour I think
[21:08] <bprompt> hmmm 230mbs over a 1mbps is peanuts
[21:08] <newbnewb> yeah its out in country and its terrible
[21:09] <bprompt> that should take no more than hmmm about 10mins or less
[21:09] <newbnewb> well a 1gb movie takes 3 or 4 hours so I was guessing
[21:09] <bprompt> newbnewb:   you said 1mbs .....hmmm
[21:09] <OerHeks> newbnewb, that is faster than a 56k6 modem
[21:10] <tasaif> my question is: is it possible to run a 32bit binary on a 64bit platform in userspace?
[21:10] <tasaif> without sudo access
[21:11] <twiler> So I need help starting openbazaar, is there a ./start command in terminal that is standard, or is ./start OpenBazaar correct? I ask, because I can't seem to get it started, so, any help whatsoever would be appreciated, as #openbazaar is all quiet :/
[21:11] <newbnewb> OerHeks I just know its very slow....I had 50 in last place and it was few min per gb......now takes hours
[21:11] <newbnewb> maybe there is another limiting factor I dont understand
[21:11] <EriC^> twiler: how did you install openbazaar?
[21:11] <Nytram> thanks ubottu
[21:11] <tasaif> twiler
[21:12] <tasaif> how did you install openbazaar?
[21:12] <twiler> @EriC using terminal, why?
[21:12] <tasaif> did you do apt-get install (somethign) ?
[21:12] <bprompt> twiler:    you mean, you compiled it?
[21:12] <twiler> @tasaif: using terminal why?
[21:13] <tasaif> twiler: ^
[21:13] <twiler> @bprompt: I don't know what that means, so, I'm gonna assume that I didn't compile it..
[21:13] <genii> "using terminal" is not specific enough. You coulod have wgettted it from somewhere and then ran make, or you could have ran apt-get install, or any number of things in the terminal
[21:13] <twiler> IT was an apt-get
[21:14] <EriC^> twiler: did you type sudo apt-get install openbazaar ? or cd openbazaar and make make install ?
[21:14] <twiler> @genii using apt-get
[21:14] <tasaif> twiler did you check your start menu or equivalent to see if an entry was created?
[21:14] <twiler> @EriC sudo apt-get
[21:14] <EriC^> twiler: ok, are you using unity?
[21:14] <tasaif> did you type bazaar into the unity thing and see if anything came up?
[21:14] <k1l> its not in the repos, afaik
[21:14] <EriC^> or xubuntu etc. ?
[21:15] <tasaif> k1l: maybe he added a different repo
[21:15] <k1l> i guess we will never know :/
[21:15] <twiler> um.. no, let me check, although every single other time i started the application, it was using terminal
[21:15] <twiler> but, I will check, brb
[21:15] <EriC^> apt-cache policy guys
[21:16] <tasaif> wuzzat?
[21:16] <Namedotval> is there any way to bind another key to scroll xterm? my mousewheel is broken and my laptop doesnt have pgup/pgdown
[21:16] <tasaif> EriC^: oh cool, learn something new every day
[21:16] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[21:17] <twiler> OK, there is no start menu entry whatsoever
[21:18] <OerHeks> !info qbzr
[21:18] <EriC^> twiler: if you're using unity open the dash and type bazaar
[21:19] <EriC^> twiler: if you're on xubuntu try alt+f2 i think
[21:19] <tasaif> OerHeks: openbazaar != bazaar
[21:19] <twiler> I get the folder that it's installed to and a file called openbazaar in that folder, but, no icon like there is for say, Google Chrome, when I type "chrome"
[21:19] <EriC^> twiler: what folder?
[21:20] <EriC^> twiler: you mean in the dash?
[21:20] <EriC^> twiler: type dpkg -l | grep bazaar
[21:20] <twiler> Yes, if I type it into the screen that comes up when I hit the "super" key?
[21:20] <twiler> That's the dash, right?
[21:21] <EriC^> yeah
[21:21] <EriC^> twiler: type dpkg -l | grep "bazaar\|bzr" | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:22] <promet> has anyone tried running 14.10 from a pendrive? it seems to be eerily fast...
[21:22] <tasaif> EriC^: learned 2 newe things today
[21:22] <twiler> OK EriC I typed that
[21:22] <twiler> and hit enter
[21:22] <EriC^> tasaif: cool
[21:23] <EriC^> twiler: ok, what's the link it gavE?
[21:23] <twiler> http://termbin.com/nec0
[21:23] <twiler> Is that what you were expecting?
[21:24] <twiler> Hey, Eric, I have to jet for about 20  minutes, but I will be bafk
[21:24] <EriC^> well, not what i wanted no
[21:24] <twiler> back8
[21:24] <twiler> ok?
[21:24] <EriC^> twiler: ok
[21:24] <twiler> Thank you SO much@
[21:24] <twiler> I mean it, big time!
[21:24] <EriC^> no problem!
[21:25] <tasaif> twiler: try openbazaar start
[21:25] <twiler> EriC you have always been a great help to me, every single time I have needed your help
[21:26] <EriC^> twiler: you're welcome :)
[21:30] <daved_> Hi! Is this a good channel to ask about LVM setup/usage?
[21:30] <newbnewb> EricC its unpacking things but an alert also came up on desktop saying "system alert report problem yes or no"
[21:30] <newbnewb> does show what problem though
[21:31] <newbnewb> "System problem detected" "do you want to report Problem?"
[21:31] <EriC^> newbnewb: it's usually nothing, if you press details it should say what crashed
[21:31] <newbnewb> no details button
[21:31] <EriC^> it's not a big deal though, i used to get a lot too, you can disable it if you want
[21:31] <newbnewb> choices are cancel and report
[21:31] <newbnewb> ok
[21:31] <EriC^> report if you want
[21:32] <sga> Hi everyone, I'm having difficulties to run the rc.local script at startup, although it runs fine manually. It is executable by everyone (-rwxr-xr-x), but it doesn't run at startup. I'm a bit puzzled
[21:32] <EriC^> sga: what are you trying to run in it?
[21:33] <newbnewb> "sorry ubuntu has experienced an internal error"
[21:33] <daved_> I am confused about LVM: I installed assuming I could easily resize filesystem folders, but doesn't seem so
[21:33] <newbnewb> another alert says restart firefox....should I do that and come back or what for terminal to finish?
[21:33] <sga> Eric^: http://dpaste.com/1JDPW3F
[21:34] <sga> basic shell commands : launch guake and another program
[21:34] <EriC^> newbnewb: you can restart firefox it probably got updated
[21:34] <newbnewb> ok brb
[21:35] <EriC^> sga: yuo can't launch quake from rc.local
[21:35] <EriC^> *guake
[21:35] <EriC^> that's run by root before you even login to your user
[21:35] <sga> EriC^: but when I start Linux, guake is not executing. I need to start it manually
[21:36] <EriC^> sga: open the dash and type startup and add the programs there
[21:36] <Nytram> Exactly
[21:36] <Nytram> Was reading this and thinking "what?"
[21:36] <sga> I'm on Linux Mint, so I'm not sure I can do that
[21:36] <Nytram> Yes you can
[21:36] <Nytram> I use mint
[21:37] <sga> Okay, is dash a program ?
[21:37] <Nytram> But in Windows 7 right now. heheh
[21:37] <sga> I feel you
[21:37] <wafflejock> sga, you don't need dash just the startup applications GUI ideally, dash is just used for searching installed apps basically
[21:37] <oussama> hello
[21:37] <Nytram> Hey oussama
[21:37] <newbnewb> EricC its done
[21:38] <newbnewb> toshiba@toshibalaptop:/media/toshiba/32GB USB$
[21:38] <sga> Ah, I located the startup application
[21:38] <Nytram> ;0
[21:38] <Nytram> oops
[21:38] <Nytram> ;)
[21:39] <sga> Okay, so guake apparently is started with this tool
[21:39] <sga> But it actually is not started when I boot Linux
[21:39] <EriC^> newbnewb: ok
[21:39] <tgm4883> sga: have you tried the Linux Mint channel?
[21:39] <wafflejock> sga, hmm works here, have guake and just have it running on startup not sure about mint though I'm on Ubuntu Gnome
[21:40] <tgm4883> !mint | sgsa
[21:40] <tgm4883> sga^
[21:40] <sga> tgm4483: yes, but not responding atm
[21:41] <tgm4883> sga: so you thought you would try here, where none of us know what changes linux mint has done to anything?
[21:43] <sga> tgm4483: I'm a new Linux user, I don't exactly know what is common between distros and what is not, so I figured I could ask here
[21:43] <sga> wafflejock: hmm ok, I'm going to look more
[21:44] <tgm4883> sga: ok, well official Ubuntu flavors are supported here. Derivatives are not as we don't know what changes they have made that could be breaking what you are seeing
[21:44] <sga> tgm4883: thanks for the tip
[21:47] <newbnewb> EricC what should I do next?
[21:47] <EriC^^> newbnewb: whatever you want :)
[21:47] <newbnewb> its finsihed?
[21:48] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:48] <EriC^^> you could add the universe repository if it's not added yet
[21:48] <newbnewb> how to do this?
[21:48] <newbnewb> ah software manager is missing as well now
[21:48] <newbnewb> disappeared from dock
[21:49] <EriC^^> open the dash and type software then click on ..
[21:49] <EriC^^> ok type software and if you get software center click and drag it to the launcher
[21:49] <newbnewb> ok did it
[21:50] <newbnewb> EricC ok software center opened right....
[21:50] <EriC^^> ok click on edit > software sources
[21:51] <newbnewb> EricC sorry I dont see edit anywhere
[21:51] <newbnewb> oh damn...in menu...im stupid sorry
[21:51] <EriC^^> up to the left in the global menu
[21:52] <newbnewb> ok now what?
[21:53] <newbnewb> it doesnt do anything when I choose software sources...just closes menu
[21:53] <EriC^^> clink on universe so it has a check
[21:53] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok open the dash and type software then click on software & updates
[21:54] <newbnewb> nothing happens
[21:54] <EriC^^> open a terminal and type software-properties-gtk
[21:54] <newbnewb> ugh....more things not working :P
[21:54] <newbnewb> ok
[21:55] <newbnewb> i did this and nothing happens...jsut puts root prompt again
[21:55] <newbnewb> i wonder why nothing works as it should....
[21:55] <EriC^^> !find software-properties-gtk
[21:55] <EriC^^> newbnewb: type sudo apt-get install --reinstall software-properties-gtk
[21:56] <EriC^^> newbnewb: did you reboot after the upgrade?
[21:56] <newbnewb> Eric do you know why so many things were out of whack compared to usual?
[21:57] <newbnewb> Ah no didnt...was I supposed to? Sorry
[21:57] <EriC^^> newbnewb: well if it installed a new kernel, you could boot into it and use it
[21:58] <newbnewb> so should I reboot now? or keep going in terminal? I did the resintall and it worked
[21:58] <EriC^^> newbnewb: well try opening it again
[21:58] <newbnewb> ok its open now
[21:59] <EriC^^> ok nice
[21:59] <newbnewb> what do I do in it now?
[21:59] <EriC^^> click on universe so it has a check next to it
[21:59] <EriC^^> it's the second one i think
[22:00] <newbnewb> already checked
[22:00] <EriC^^> ok, if you want codecs and mp3 stuff and stuff with copyrights etc click the 2 below it
[22:00] <EriC^^> multiverse and something i forgot what
[22:00] <newbnewb> ok
[22:00] <newbnewb> they are all chekced
[22:00] <EriC^^> ok
[22:01] <newbnewb> except source code
[22:01] <EriC^^> not needed unless you want to download source code
[22:01] <newbnewb> ok
[22:01] <shovel_boss>  http://youtu.be/P32JDvu0b-0
[22:01] <mmiller13> Does anyone have a solution to this: I upgrade my distro using apt-get and I opt to modify my grub so I dont have the entry to select the new distro on startup
[22:01] <mmiller13> heed help
[22:01] <shovel_boss> you are much welcone
[22:01] <newbnewb> options are revert and close
[22:02] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok, click close
[22:02] <roundcirle> mmiller13: never upgrade your distor
[22:02] <roundcirle> *distro
[22:02] <mmiller13> why not
[22:02] <EriC^^> newbnewb: you can customize the terminal if you want
[22:02] <roundcirle> mmiller13: except you like pain
[22:02] <OerHeks> !ot | shovel_boss
[22:02] <sga> !guidelines
[22:02] <EriC^^> newbnewb: and install compiz and use the click on launcher item to minimize which is pretty useful
[22:03] <roundcirle> mmiller13: depending on the case i suggest a fresh install
[22:03] <newbnewb> ok
[22:03] <mmiller13> ok but my question is how to add the new entry to grub
[22:03] <newbnewb> so do I need to do anything else to make it normal? or should it be back to what it should have been after installing?
[22:03] <roundcirle> mmiller13: you also get rid of corrupted stuff that piles up somewhere nobody looks for
[22:03] <roundcirle> mmiller13: oh sorry XD
[22:03] <roundcirle> mmiller13: so its too late now
[22:03] <OerHeks> roundcirle, fud! upgrade is not a problem. and there will be a cleanup.
[22:03] <newbnewb> i want to make sure I am starting from the beginning so I dont mess somehting up
[22:04] <mmiller13> ok but I need to a way to select the new installation on the grub screen
[22:04] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i've no idea, seems you had a problem with the software center
[22:04] <Bashing-om> mmiller13: Have you ran terminal command -> sudo update-grub <- ? To pick up new/added items ?
[22:04] <roundcirle> mmiller13: im looking for it, sorry for irritating you
[22:05] <newbnewb> so is there some command or package I can install that will make it like it should be from start?
[22:05] <EriC^^> newbnewb: what do you mean?
[22:05] <EriC^^> newbnewb: you want to checksum the whole installation ( metaphorically )
[22:05] <EriC^^> :D
[22:05] <newbnewb> i mean I would like to have it set up like it should be from a normal install....so I can try and learn and change from there
[22:06] <newbnewb> and make sure I am not starting with other things not as they should be
[22:06] <newbnewb> is it possible?
[22:06] <EriC^^> newbnewb: well, you could attempt something
[22:06] <newbnewb> or I just have to try and see if any new troubles happen?
[22:06] <EriC^^> or that :P
[22:06] <EriC^^> there's debsums , it's supposed to check the md5sum of all the packages that are installed
[22:06] <EriC^^> !info debsums
[22:07] <newbnewb> ok...and the question I first came here for before software center broke....how can I make all apps show in one folder?
[22:07] <EriC^^> you could run it if you wanted, it would take an hour i guess
[22:07] <EriC^^> maybe less
[22:07] <newbnewb> ive tried selecting filter for apps and it only shows 6 of them....and some only show in dock
[22:08] <EriC^^> newbnewb: press super+a
[22:08] <EriC^^> then show all items
[22:08] <newbnewb> sorry what is super?
[22:08] <EriC^^> the win key
[22:08] <newbnewb> i dont have a win key
[22:08] <EriC^^> or open the dash and click on the app icon at the bottom
[22:08] <newbnewb> ctrl fn alt
[22:08] <EriC^^> newbnewb: it's the one next to alt
[22:09] <EriC^^> oh ok
[22:09] <mmiller13> If I apt-get dist-upgrade would that go through the installation process over again or would it skipped whats already been installed
[22:09] <newbnewb> is there a way to have a top level folder with all apps on dock or desktop?
[22:10] <newbnewb> so I dont have to search or go three levels into dash?
[22:10] <EriC^^> newbnewb: yeah type ln -s ~/Desktop /usr/share/applications
[22:10] <newbnewb> normally in osx I have a folder in dock for apps....and all show there
[22:10] <EriC^^> newbnewb: yeah type ln -s ~/Desktop/apps /usr/share/applications
[22:11] <newbnewb> ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/usr/share/applications/apps’: Permission denied
[22:12] <bprompt> newbnewb:    maybe you meant    ln -s /usr/share/applications ~/Desktop/apps
[22:12] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ah sorry, ln -s /usr/share/applications ~/Desktop/apps
[22:12] <newbnewb> thanks....now can I put it in the dock?
[22:13] <newbnewb> it doesnt seem to allow dragging there
[22:14] <EriC^^> newbnewb: you want it like a menu?
[22:14] <newbnewb> when i first came here my problem was trying to get folders in the dock....so I could have apps folder, photos folder, mucis folder etc all in dock
[22:14] <EriC^^> newbnewb: you want to click on it and have it open the dir?
[22:14] <newbnewb> I guess.....in osx dock I have few apps on one side...then a divider....then few folders on right
[22:14] <EriC^^> newbnewb: or hover over it and display?
[22:14] <newbnewb> I guess? Sorry I am not sure about terminlogy.
[22:14] <mmiller13> Bashing-om: Would sudo upgrade-grub add the new os installation to the grub menu
[22:15] <EriC^^> newbnewb: if you want to click on it and have it open in the file manager then it's pretty easy
[22:15] <newbnewb> ok how to do that?
[22:16] <EriC^^> newbnewb: if you want to hover over it and have it display stuff i'm not sure how you could do that without cairo dock etc.
[22:16] <EriC^^> cairo dock is pretty similar to mac btw
[22:16] <EriC^^> i guess
[22:16] <newbnewb> yeah osx displays with hover I guess but its same use for me to have it open to window....I just want to minimize my clicks....see all apps with one click from dock....all music etc
[22:17] <newbnewb> what do you think is best option?
[22:17] <newbnewb> goal is to reduce clicks to get to stuff
[22:17] <EriC^^> music is like 2 clicks away
[22:17] <EriC^^> nautilus > music
[22:17] <newbnewb> i dont know what nautilus is
[22:17] <EriC^^> the file manager
[22:18] <newbnewb> ah
[22:18] <EriC^^> alt+tab is pretty useful
[22:18] <newbnewb> so can I reduce that by one and ahve the music folder in the dock?
[22:18] <newbnewb> same with apps...photos...videos
[22:18] <newbnewb> is cairo a dock like docky?
[22:19] <newbnewb> hmmm I just looked at that app shortcut we made on desktop and there aren't any icons
[22:20] <newbnewb> its blank white icons or ones with gibberish
[22:20] <newbnewb> photo lens for unity is only thing in there with an actual stylized icon
[22:22] <EriC^^> newbnewb: yeah, type sudo cp /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop /usr/share/applications/mymusic.desktop
[22:22] <EriC^^> newbnewb: try nautilus /usr/share/applications
[22:23] <orafu> my unity-2d on precise has become transparent: it does not show a menu bar or launcher anymore. But they remain functional: a mouse-over gives me tooltips and mouse clicks work as usual;  what can I do to get the menu and launcher (and Docky, BTW) displayed again?  (I already killed unity-2d-panel and unity-2d-shell and they restarted, but nothing changed)
[22:24] <newbnewb> Eric that second one brought up a window with all apps...but its not anywhere in an icon on dock...when I close it its gone
[22:24] <newbnewb> the one we made before on dock is still messed up
[22:24] <newbnewb> should I delete that old one?
[22:24] <EriC^^> newbnewb: the one on the desktop?
[22:25] <orafu> is my problem related to compiz?
[22:26] <newbnewb> the first one we made that is a file thatsays "apps" and has a lock in corner is on desktop....its not correct inside....when I used the nautilus /usr/share/applications command a window ipens from the nautilus icon but when I close it goes back in there and I cant open it directly without command again
[22:27] <newbnewb> I want to put an app folder in the dock...that clicking will show all apps like that command does
[22:27] <newbnewb> that command produces a window with all apps just like I want....but its not reproducable without typing in terminal again
[22:28] <twokay> Just sayin...job interview tomorrow...panic is setting in...servers are nearly setup...portfolio is nearly done...wish me luck! :)
[22:29] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok
[22:29] <EriC^^> newbnewb: yeah, type sudo cp /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop /usr/share/applications/allapps.desktop
[22:30] <EriC^^> do one that's called mymusic.desktop and any other dirs you want to put on the launcher
[22:30] <newbnewb> ok will try....I tried to copy the app folder to the desktop to try and it messes the icons up inside....dont knw why
[22:31] <newbnewb> EricC nothing happened
[22:33] <EriC^^> newbnewb: if it returns nothing then it worked
[22:33] <newbnewb> if I open dash and go to computer/user/share there is a folder "applications"...just what I want in the dock....
[22:33] <EriC^^> newbnewb: type sudo nano /usr/share/applications/allapps.desktop
[22:33] <EriC^^> newbnewb: or just cd first to /usr/share/applications , and type sudo nano allapps.desktop
[22:33] <newbnewb> but there is no new folder in dock
[22:34] <EriC^^> newbnewb: it's there but you need to edit the name and command
[22:35] <orafu> hmmm... after more than 1 hour, the menu and launcher came back
[22:35] <newbnewb> I did the last command and the output is this
[22:35] <newbnewb> [Desktop Entry] Name=Files Comment=Access and organize files Keywords=folder;manager;explore;disk;filesystem; Exec=nautilus --new-window %U Icon=system-file-manager Terminal=false Type=Application StartupNotify=true OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity; Categories=GNOME;GTK;Utility;Core;FileManager; MimeType=inode/directory;application/x-gnome-saved-search; X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Bugzilla=GNOME X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Product=nautilus X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=g
[22:36] <newbnewb> and I see no new folder or icon in dock
[22:36] <EriC^^> newbnewb: paste in paste.ubuntu.com
[22:36] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok, change Name= to Name=Music
[22:36] <newbnewb> where? right now there is no prompt
[22:36] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i mean Name=Apps
[22:37] <EriC^^> newbnewb: after you type sudo nano allapps.desktop
[22:37] <EriC^^> that's a text editor
[22:37] <newbnewb> ok did it
[22:37] <newbnewb> X? for exit?
[22:37] <newbnewb> shift X?
[22:37] <EriC^^> ctrl+o to save
[22:37] <EriC^^> hold on
[22:38] <EriC^^> change the name
[22:38] <EriC^^> and Exec=nautilus /usr/share/applications
[22:38] <econdudeawesome> Howdy all! I tried to install some 32-bit libraries on a 64-bit install, and now I can't get apt-get upgrade to work. Where to start?
[22:39] <newbnewb> EricC change file name to save to apps also?
[22:39] <EriC^^> make a mymusic.desktop too and change the name and replace Exec= with Exec=nautilus /home/<user>/Music
[22:39] <EriC^^> etc.
[22:39]  * EriC^^ goes to get a soda..
[22:39] <newbnewb> im lost
[22:41] <mmiller13> Does anyone know much about apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:42] <mmiller13> I didnt add the option to add the entry to grub bootloader so I cant boot into the new istallation
[22:42] <mmiller13> i used sudo upgrade-grub and still no luck
[22:43] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i dont follow
[22:43] <genii> mmiller13:  It's update, not upgrade. So:  sudo update-grub
[22:43] <EriC^^> mmiller13: you're trying to get grub to appear?
[22:43] <mmiller13> correct update
[22:43] <newbnewb> so I am in that editor...I changed name to Applications
[22:44] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok, change the Exec=
[22:44] <newbnewb> control O to save it...then it asks "File Name to Write:"
[22:44] <mmiller13> so I need the new installation added to my grub
[22:44] <EriC^^> newbnewb: did you cd to /usr/share/applications earlier?
[22:44] <newbnewb> i have to look...i have a hard time following as I dont know the meaning of these commands mostly
[22:45] <newbnewb> i dont know as I am in this editor and cant look back
[22:45] <newbnewb> i suck at this cli stuff
[22:45] <EriC^^> newbnewb: nevermind, when you press ctrl+o
[22:45] <EriC^^> it should already say allapps.desktop
[22:45] <EriC^^> just hit enter
[22:46] <newbnewb> it moved cursor back up to Name
[22:46] <EriC^^> newbnewb: ok, press ctrl+x
[22:46] <newbnewb> ok...so yes I am in the right directory
[22:46] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:47] <EriC^^> type nautilus /usr/share/applications
[22:47] <EriC^^> and drag the icon that says Applications to the desktop
[22:47] <newbnewb> to desktop or dock?
[22:47] <EriC^^> desktop
[22:48] <newbnewb> error while moving
[22:49] <bishoy> hello
[22:49] <EriC^^> newbnewb: right click > copy
[22:49] <EriC^^> paste it on the desktop
[22:50] <mmiller13> So I thought I run apt-get dist-upgrade again but It wont allow me to re install
[22:50] <newbnewb> my turn to dc....
[22:51] <newbnewb> ok EricC it worked and I put in dock....it looks just like Nautilus....when I repeat for Music etc will they all look like file cabinet too?
[22:51] <newbnewb> actually I dont think I can rpeat as I got lost in the steps :P
[22:51] <ki7mt> Hello all, maybe a question for ubuntu-devel, but does anyone know of a native Ubuntu package that uses diversions ( https://wiki.debian.org/Adding%20and%20removing%20diversions) during installation?
[22:52] <EriC^^> newbnewb: yeah, you can change the icon
[22:53] <newbnewb> how....I right clicked to see if there was some options....nothing is intuitive or where I think it would be
[22:53] <newbnewb> no properties or settings etc with a right click on the icon
[22:54] <EriC^^> newbnewb: you have to change it in the .desktop file
[22:54] <EriC^^> Icon=
[22:54] <Kenb52> Hi All I figured out the easy way to install format and use a hard drive in Ubuntu and/or Zorin Linux. Use Disk Util also known as Disks in Zorin. But do not use Gparted.
[22:54] <OerHeks> !info  dpkg-divert
[22:55] <newbnewb> where is that?
[22:55] <newbnewb> why is everything so cryptic? its confusing
[22:55] <newbnewb> nothing is obvious
[22:55] <EriC^^> newbnewb: sudo nano allapps.desktop
[22:55] <newbnewb> how can I find it in the gui?
[22:56] <genii> OerHeks: dpkg-divert is part of dpkg package
[22:56] <newbnewb> i have no idea what I am doing in the terminal and am just transcribing instructons....I need to see it to understandit
[22:56] <OerHeks> thanks genii just found http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/dpkg-divert.8.html but not sure this is what ki7mt needs
[22:56] <ki7mt> OerHeks, It does exist: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/dpkg-divert.8.html
[22:57] <newbnewb> i dont think I can repeat this process for music and pictures etc as it was so confusing I got lost
[22:57] <Kenb52> Ny question of the day, is this. I added to Startup tool, to mount my Network share, and In PCMANFM It is bookmarked. That seemed to work perfect but some particular 3rd party apps, still do not seem to see it until you open up PCMANFM.  So I am wondering beyond using say Gigolo to automount, is there a best way to automount the share, so that Clementine in partitcular can see it?
[22:58] <ki7mt> OerHeks, yes, that's what script I need to use, but I can't find a Ubuntu package that is using it. Mostly they use update-alternatives., which I may have to use that in conjunction with Conflicts: xxx
[22:58] <newbnewb> dammit its not working the same now...the applications icon in the dock opens the home folder now
[22:58] <newbnewb> wtf
[22:59] <newbnewb> and suddenly firefox has no minimize and close buttons
[22:59] <newbnewb> so frustrating
[22:59] <MonkeyDust> newbnewb  whatever went wrong durin installation, all should work out of the box
[23:00] <newbnewb> i thought it should....everything is a mess
[23:00] <malgorath> I have 4 drives in my computer not in use and I was thinking of raiding the, they are all same exact drive type. DOes anyone have a site or link that would help me with this?
[23:00] <newbnewb> i downloaded from the ubuntu site
[23:00] <Kenb52> newbnewb Its an Xwindows problem, but I am newb also
[23:00] <do0fY3> hi all
[23:00] <do0fY3> someone here who wants to help a noob with 1 or 2 thing? :D
[23:00] <Pazooza> Mine does, v37.0.1 from mirrors
[23:01] <newbnewb> EricC.....the Applications Icon we made and put in the dock....it doesnt behave the same now
[23:01] <newbnewb> I open it and it acts just like the nautilus icon...taking me to home
[23:02] <do0fY3> i need help formatting and mouting 2 drives on a ubuntu machine
[23:02] <EriC^^> newbnewb: did it work before?
[23:03] <newbnewb> yes
[23:03] <newbnewb> no idea what happened
[23:03] <newbnewb> I didnt do anything but open it
[23:03] <Kenb52> Deja dup, if you copy around the backup you have to go into location and select the right one, and it seems to list the same hard drive twice, the top one seems to work however.
[23:04] <newbnewb> this is ridiculous
[23:04] <newbnewb> ubuntu was supposed to be newbie friendly
[23:05] <tgm4883> newbnewb: what are you trying to do?
[23:05] <Kenb52> do0fy3: are you installing Ubuntu or just installing more storage drives?
[23:05] <newbnewb> tgm4883 EricC has been helping me all day long....the software manager and software updater were broken....i tried reinstalling a few times....he fixed it but not without troubles
[23:06] <do0fY3> no, i installed zentyal on an ssd. there are 2 more 4TB hdds in there and i want them to perma mount and use them as network storage
[23:06] <tgm4883> newbnewb: something tells me I don't even want to touch this
[23:06] <do0fY3> but i dont even understand how to get them running :D
[23:06] <newbnewb> now I am tyring to put folders in the dock....for apps, music, photos etc so I have easy access to all those at top level
[23:06] <Kenb52> Disk Utility is by far the best way to do stuff rather than GPARTED which will not allow you to own the hard drive after formatting it.
[23:07] <newbnewb> i do exactly what I am told...the outputs don't make sense often...something does work then it breaks suddenly later...I cant even get things stable to start learning
[23:07] <compdoc> newbnewb, those things dont break by themselves, for no reason
[23:07] <newbnewb> they have
[23:07] <newbnewb> everyone says that....then it happens and they say "hmm that doesn make sense"
[23:07] <tgm4883> newbnewb: no... they don't
[23:07] <do0fY3> disk utility? on console?
[23:08] <do0fY3> or via zentyal backend?
[23:08] <newbnewb> tgm...my point is i do something I am told....if it works then it seems to stop later
[23:08] <Kenb52> What makes sense to 1 person does not make sense to all'
[23:08] <newbnewb> this apps folder is an example
[23:08] <tgm4883> newbnewb: so I'm guessing that just right clicking the nautilus icon and clicking on what you want to access is too much?
[23:08] <newbnewb> he helped me create it...put it in doc...it did what I wanted
[23:08] <Kenb52> Can be too much.
[23:08] <newbnewb> its not to much but I simply want to cut one click out and have them on the dock like OSX
[23:08] <newbnewb> its just preference....and I dont know why its so complicated
[23:09] <newbnewb> we did it...it worked...now it doesnt
[23:09] <do0fY3> can someone tell me how to permanent mound sdc oder sdb to a folder?
[23:09] <newbnewb> all I did was open it and close it...second time I opened it something different came up
[23:09] <Kenb52> Hmm my Vizio TV/Monitor does NOT like me turning on my FL gooseneck lamp. It causes the monitor to black out for a second.
[23:09] <newbnewb> EricC are you still here?
[23:09] <tgm4883> newbnewb: I've got to head home soon, but can you pastebin what is in that file?
[23:10] <newbnewb> tgm I dont know what pastebin means....I am brand new...and have spent 3 days trying to get installed and set up
[23:10] <newbnewb> and its still wonky
[23:11] <newbnewb> everyone tells me different commands or advice....80% doesnt work...then people get irritated at me
[23:11] <tgm4883> !pastebin | newbnewb
[23:11] <newbnewb> i just wanted to install...and learn
[23:11] <Kenb52> So does anyone know how to make Clementine music player, to see the bookmarked shares ??
[23:12] <Kenb52> Only when system is first booted. You open PCMANFM and after that it is fine.
[23:12] <newbnewb> i dont even understand what I a supposed to paste.....shit
[23:12] <newbnewb> three days of this is gotten me bruned out
[23:13] <tgm4883> newbnewb: the contents of the file that is no longer working
[23:13] <newbnewb> i deleted it from the dock since it didnt work...so I cant do that
[23:13] <daved_> Hi--I have LVM questions about how to re-size the filesystem folders. Anybody able to help?
[23:14] <newbnewb> it was an icon that looked like a file cabinet...just like Nautlus....and instead of nautlius it was named applications and opened to all the apps visible in a window
[23:14] <tgm4883> newbnewb: I'm honestly now sure what you want from us then. If you are just going to moan and complain please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:14] <EriC^^> newbnewb: if you want a dock like mac and easy access icons you could install cairo-dock
[23:14] <Kenb52> How do I automount shares in PCMANFM?
[23:14] <newbnewb> tgm I am not JUST moaning jesus
[23:14] <newbnewb> things dont work...then I get told I am wrong
[23:14] <newbnewb> im doing what I am told....exactly
[23:15] <newbnewb> thanks eric
[23:15] <newbnewb> will try...hopefully it will work
[23:15] <tgm4883> newbnewb: I ask you to post some stuff, you don't have anything to post. You can't tell me what you are trying to do now, it's time to go home, so I'm out
[23:16] <newbnewb> I told you and you are more interested in telling me what I am doing wrong in your eyes like most here
[23:16] <newbnewb> EricC is the only one helping
[23:16] <bazhang> newbnewb, stop that
[23:17] <newbnewb> he has been more than patient....others just want to tell me why I am wrong
[23:17] <bazhang> newbnewb, many are helping you here
[23:17] <newbnewb> who?
[23:17] <Kenb52> I find the google searched stuff is usually wrong. I guess that Gigolo is the only really simple workaround to get this done.
[23:17] <newbnewb> EricC is only one who fixed anything and it took all day....
[23:17] <bazhang> newbnewb, but you are not giving us the info we need
[23:17] <newbnewb> i give what I can and what I know
[23:17] <newbnewb> i explain my limits and people still wont accept
[23:18] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i got it working here
[23:18] <newbnewb> EricC cairo?
[23:18] <EriC^^> no the applications icon in the launcher
[23:18] <newbnewb> oh
[23:18] <newbnewb> i dont know what changed
[23:18] <newbnewb> it worked for me too
[23:18] <EriC^^> i had to add it twice though
[23:18] <newbnewb> then second opening of it suddenly it acted like nautilus icon
[23:19] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:19] <EriC^^> mine turned both into applications icons
[23:19] <newbnewb> if I use cairo can I just drag and drop those folders?
[23:19] <EriC^^> so i unlocked them from the launcher and readded and they worked
[23:19] <newbnewb> rather than all this CLI stuff?
[23:19] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i've only used cairo shortly then uninstalled
[23:19] <EriC^^> but i remember it had alot of customization stuff
[23:19] <newbnewb> its chinese to me what we did to get it on the dock...I couldnt repeat it alone
[23:19] <newbnewb> ok
[23:20] <newbnewb> if it works how can I shut off the unity launcher dock so I dont have two docks
[23:20] <EriC^^> newbnewb: you could try to add it back and see if it works
[23:20] <EriC^^> if you're keen on using the launcher
[23:20] <EriC^^> or you could give cairo a shot
[23:21] <newbnewb> EricC I could never manage again....without step by step instructions
[23:21] <newbnewb> and I am sure yuou are as sick of this as me
[23:21] <Kenb52> Anyone know of a better desktop icon organizer?
[23:21] <EriC^^> newbnewb: just type nautilus /usr/share/applications and drag it to the launcher
[23:22] <newbnewb> there is nothing to drag
[23:22] <newbnewb> it just opens a nautlius window with all the apps showing....
[23:22] <newbnewb> no icon for just apps is created
[23:22] <EriC^^> anyways it seems like a bad idea
[23:23] <EriC^^> i'm noticing the icon flashes red and stalls if you have both open etc.
[23:23] <EriC^^> cairo would be better i guess, try it out
[23:23] <newbnewb> if i just drag the apps icon from within the folder with all apps showing it just creates another nautilus file cabinet
[23:24] <newbnewb> ok so if I use cairo how do I shut off the unity launcher so I dont have two docks
[23:24] <EriC^^> if you hover over it does it say applications or files?
[23:25] <newbnewb> applicaitons...and now my normal nautilus file is gone
[23:26] <newbnewb> all I have is the one saying applications but that opens to what nautilus opened to...the home folder
[23:26] <newbnewb> wtf
[23:26] <newbnewb> I put the new applications icon in the dock like you said...and nautilus disappeared
[23:27] <EriC^^> newbnewb: i think you have to unlock both and add them
[23:27] <EriC^^> but anyways i dont like it
[23:27] <EriC^^> nautilus hangs for a bit before opening
[23:27] <EriC^^> use cairo-dock instead
[23:27] <newbnewb> I dont know how
[23:27] <newbnewb> nautilus is gone now
[23:27] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install cairo-dock
[23:27] <limpc> i have a very annoying problem.  im trying to install ubuntu 14.04.2 on a machine.  but it keeps failing when trying to install grub, with  "the 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install to /target/."