[02:52] <SirRochefort_> Hello! Very green question here: How do I move the main toolbar from the top of the desktop to the bottom? Been going through settings for a good while now. Thanks in advance
[02:57] <krytarik> SirRochefort_: Go into its Preferences, unlock it, drag it, lock it again.
[02:59] <SirRochefort_> Krytarik, thanks a lot. Seems I just dragged from the wrong area of it before.
[08:07] <blue-thunder> hello
[08:08] <blue-thunder> i want to know if my computer has a dedicated gpu
[08:08] <blue-thunder> how do i tell?
[08:08] <bekks> blue-thunder: Whats the output of "lspci"? Pastebin it please, and provide the URL.
[08:09] <blue-thunder> http://pastebin.com/amMffeYX
[08:10] <bekks> blue-thunder: Line 2 states that you have GPU built into your CPU, and no other GPU.
[08:10] <blue-thunder> great time to buy a radeon....
[08:11] <bekks> Really? Better buy a nvidia :)
[08:11] <blue-thunder> which has better open source driver support amd radeon or nvidia geforce?
[08:11] <bekks> Nvidia.
[08:13] <blue-thunder> how can i setup open vpn? (sorry if i sound like a noob)
[08:14] <bekks> I guess you want to use a vpn client, like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient
[08:50] <janfi> Hello
[08:52] <janfi> I use Xubuntu 14.04. Very often when I start my computer my icons are arranged to the left of the screen. I don't want that. Is there any solution ?
[09:37] <janfi> Hello, I use Xubuntu 14.04. Very often when I start my computer my icons are arranged to the left of the screen. I don't want that. Is there any solution ?
[09:39] <cfhowlett> janfi, left orientation is the default for xfce4
[09:54] <osama_bin_badboy> What's up guys!
[10:02] <osama_bin_badboy> Whats up slickmasterWork!
[10:04] <bazhang> did you have a support question osama_bin_badboy
[10:05] <bazhang> chat in #xubuntu-offtopic if not
[10:05] <osama_bin_badboy> Ok.
[10:05] <osama_bin_badboy> Later!
[15:07] <xubuntu03w> After a recent update all of my desktop icons moved to the left monitor. I can place them anywhere on the left monitor but I can not move  them to the right monitor.
[15:18] <Akusari> hello
[15:24] <Akusari> I think i have a problem with my trash. If i'm delete a file in my own home directory, a window comes up and ask me if i really want delete this file persistently. The trash is empty of course.
[15:25] <Akusari> Probably my trash is disabled somewhere. Where are trash settings in this case ? Or maybe there is a missing trash directory ? unfourtantly i don't know the path
[15:26] <Akusari> oh well, using xubuntu 14.04.2 with thunar 1.65
[15:39] <Akusari> ok, found it, my fault (as usual ;-)
[15:51] <Weimar1919> so! thinking of buying a lenovo machine *cringe, i know* ...probably gonna nuke it and reinstall win, dual boot xubuntu...would that be enough to get rid of anything remotely fishy?
[15:51] <nomic> run windows inside xubuntu, therefor isolating the nastiness
[15:51] <nomic> quaranteening it
[16:00] <Akusari> i have a thinkpad and windows runs in a virtual machine if i need it. That's a good solution. :-)
[16:00] <nomic> if you need network - set it up with "bridged adapter" - then you get an ip address for the machine .. also you can set it up so it accesses usb ports
[16:01] <nomic> easily
[17:11] <brownfaux> So I logged on to my xubuntu machine today and the ubuntu software center has just up and vanished... thoughts?
[17:17] <georgio> hello everyone
[17:17] <knome> hello
[17:17] <knome> brownfaux, vanished in what way?
[17:20] <brownfaux> like it was in my applications and now it just isnt
[17:20] <knome> brownfaux, did you upgrade your system or applications before it disappeared?
[17:21] <slickymasterWork> brownfaux, what output do you get if you run in a terminal window: software-center
[17:21] <brownfaux> ya know... I do think it auto updated
[17:21] <brownfaux> says it isn't currently installed
[17:21] <brownfaux> i guess I'll just reinstall it
[17:23] <georgio> Hi, I`m having a problem with my sound in Xubuntu 14.10 what happens is that I changed my "Built-in audio profile " in the volume control settings to "Digital stereo (IEC958)" and now my headphone stop work T_T . Of course that i changed back to analog stereo output but it doesn't work anymore. someone can help me please?
[17:53] <brownfaux> LS
[18:35] <minter> hi all
[18:35] <minter> i need help
[18:35] <minter> but its not about xubuntu
[18:36] <minter> its about linux mint
[18:37] <genii> !mint
[19:39] <rpp601> hey guys, i can't specify my ip address because the save button is greyed out
[19:40] <rpp601> xubuntu 14.10
[19:53] <rpp601> now i've done it. i read you could delete the config file to fix it.
[19:53] <rpp601> which i thought was /etc/interfaces
[20:12] <rpp601> anyone around?
[20:46] <nomic> sup rpp601
[21:28] <phunyguy> Hey weird question.... got xubuntu 14.04 installed and pidgin shows up in the messaging menu applet, but it doesn't seem to be functional.  there is nothing next to the entry saying it is running, and closing pidgin actually closes it.  I remember this working when I tried xubuntu last time.... any ideas?
[21:35] <phunyguy> nevermind.... figured it out.  I had disabled libnotify popups
[21:35] <phunyguy> apparently that disables the messaging menu integration!
[21:39] <Unit193> I had an issue with that once as well.
[21:43] <BBLLCC> hi, how do I get a list of all my unauthenticated sources? I cannot install anything
[22:16] <holstein> BBLLCC: you mean, ppa's? unsupported sources?
[22:17] <holstein> BBLLCC: i'll just use the GUI, and look at the sources.. you can find that in the menu.. though, you can poke around in /etc/apt if you prefer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[22:18] <holstein> i'll just run "sudo apt-get update" and troubleshoot messages til that works without error.. then, do the same for "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:28] <rpp601> nomic, i screwed up my install... after i'm done re-installing i'll need help getting the static ip address set up. i can't seem to do it right.
[22:28] <rpp601> bbiab :)
[22:29] <holstein> rpp601: in the menu, in the network manager. the GUI. thats where i first address it
[22:29] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/7079/how-do-you-configure-desktop-for-a-static-ip-address
[22:29] <holstein> shows both..
[22:31] <rpp601> holstein: the 'save' option is greyed out
[22:31] <holstein> rpp601: i dont recall clicking "save".. i just set the settings
[22:31] <holstein> rpp601: you'll need to have a user with "permission" to do so
[22:32] <rpp601> holstein: i logged in as root, option still says 'you must athenticate to save'
[22:32] <rpp601> tried editing /etc/networking/interfaces to no avail
[22:32] <holstein> System --> Preferences --> Network Connections --> Auto eth0 --> edit --> IPV4 Settings --> Change it to Manual --> add ip, (something like <IP_ADDRESS> what you reservered above), netmask <IP_ADDRESS>,, and router inside address for default route, (something like <IP_ADDRESS> what you used to log into it) --> Enter the DNS server addresses you recorded at the bottom of the window
[22:32] <holstein> rpp601: you shouldnt be logged in, or able to log in as root
[22:33] <holstein> !root
[22:33] <rpp601> this is for a wireless adapter
[22:33] <holstein> sure
[22:33] <holstein> rpp601: i do it for the NIC i choose
[22:33] <holstein> rpp601: i literally did it twice this week
[22:33] <rpp601> ok, i'll install, try it, and let you know
[22:33] <rpp601> i've done it once this week too, on ubuntu.
[22:33] <holstein> rpp601: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[22:34] <rpp601> i know
[22:34] <rpp601> that's why i'm here, and not there.
[22:34] <rpp601> be back in a bit
[22:34] <holstein> rpp601: you are likely comparing different versions of ubuntu bases, like xubuntu 14.10 vs main ubuntu 14.04
[22:34] <holstein> that can be a situation where, folks assume its ubuntu vx xubuntu, but, its typically more like a kernel driver or package change from 14.04 to 14.10.. etc
[22:44] <klopsi-u3> hi, i am trying to install nvidia drivers for a gtx 970 on amd64 xubuntu 14.04
[22:44] <holstein> !nvidia
[22:44] <klopsi-u3> thanks
[22:45] <holstein> klopsi-u3: i would try the open ones, then, the supported ones in the repos.. then, i would try the ones nvidia provides, if those dont work, after checking to see if they are newer
[22:45] <holstein> klopsi-u3: i'll typically just use whatever the GUI suggests, first.. and see if things are "ok".. and go from there, based on what i find in net searches about linux and the hardware
[22:45] <klopsi-u3> i apt-get installed nvidia-331 but system is still using nouveau. i will read the link provided now
[22:46] <holstein> klopsi-u3: there is another step to it, AFAIK.. where, the nvidia config tool makes a config file
[22:46] <klopsi-u3> yeah i made an xorg.conf but now i have 640x480
[22:47] <holstein> klopsi-u3: it can be, that the package doesnt support your hardware.. though, if you are still using the open driver, it shoud be the same as before
[22:55] <klopsi-u3> thanks holstein, i appreciate it
[22:56] <klopsi-u3> holstein: do you know of people running steam on xubuntu?
[23:08] <rpp601> ok, still there?
[23:11] <klopsi-u3> who
[23:17] <rpp601> holstein, you around buddy?
[23:17] <holstein> klopsi-u3: yes.. i run steam on xubuntu
[23:18] <holstein> klopsi-u3: there are ubuntu packages from steam.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[23:18] <holstein> rpp601: yes
[23:18] <klopsi-u3> thanks holstein
[23:18] <rpp601> holstein, ok, please paste what you said earlier, my log is gone. i'll follow your isntructions.
[23:19] <holstein> rpp601: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7079/how-do-you-configure-desktop-for-a-static-ip-address looks exactly how i would try it.. just in reverse
[23:19] <holstein> rpp601: i use the GUI.. i just click through the try icon til i see what i need/want
[23:19] <rpp601> i'm trying to use the gui
[23:20] <rpp601> settings > settings manager > network
[23:20] <rpp601> network connections > click wifi connection > click edit > input my manual ip, subnet, etc ... can't click save
[23:21] <holstein> rpp601: what "save"?
[23:21] <rpp601> hang on
[23:21] <holstein> rpp601: just input your settings..
[23:21] <holstein> rpp601: i'll put in *all* the settings.. then, i right click, and disable networking, and again, right click and re-enable
[23:21] <holstein> then, i ping my gateway.. then, i ping google.com
[23:23] <rpp601> well, it's fixed. but for future reference in case someone comes in and says this again...
[23:23] <klopsi-u3> i bought a new graphics card, but windows wont boot and i need to test the card with some 3d graphics
[23:23] <rpp601> http://imgur.com/k6fNTlt <-- that save button. it says save.
[23:24] <rpp601> network connections > edit > *input* > save... i don't know what you were talking about using or why your installation has no save button but that's it.
[23:24] <holstein> rpp601: nothing was broken, though..
[23:24] <rpp601> not now... because for whatever reason that save button just became un-greyed out
[23:25] <holstein> rpp601: ? friend. i dont have it in front of me.. thats all.. i just follow the menu items as necessary, each time
[23:25] <holstein> rpp601: likely, permissions.. since, you stated you logged in as "root", which, should not be possible
[23:26] <rpp601> holstein, i logged in as root because i thought the same thing. that it was a permission based problem. and i understand you don't have it in front of you.
[23:27] <holstein> rpp601: you shouldnt have the ability to login as a root user like that.. so, likely, whatever you did to faciliate that is what could have caused your issue
[23:28] <rpp601> doesn't matter anymore, after i re-installed i had the same issue... only when i went to take the screenshot and show you what i was talking about did it suddenly allow me to save those settings.
[23:28] <holstein> rpp601: you have to input all the settings required, as required
[23:28] <holstein> rpp601: if you have something put in incorrectly, the GUI will not let you apply something that is not going to work
[23:29] <holstein> could have been that simple.. anyways.. its over now, you got static IP.. enjoy


[16:00] <bdmurray> o/
[16:00] <slyon> o/
[16:00] <dbungert> o/
[16:00] <ginggs> o/
[16:01] <jawn-smith> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:01:06 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[16:01] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[16:01]  * bdmurray does the shuffle
[16:01] <bdmurray> dbungert slyon ginggs jawn-smith bdmurray sil2100 enr0n juliank vorlon xypron waveform alexghiti ogayot doko mwhudson schopin
[16:01] <dbungert> * zeek vs glibc - look at this a bit, package ended up being removed, and that
[16:01] <dbungert> was a good choice.  With update to new upstream version things will be fine.
[16:01] <dbungert> * subiquity - fix issue where sensitive information could be logged to log
[16:01] <dbungert> files, and tighten permissions on files that subiquity writes. LP: #1960162
[16:01] <dbungert> * subiquity - add scaling boot and efi system for guided partitioning, to help
[16:01] <dbungert> create smaller partitions for VMs and larger ones for full disks
[16:01] <dbungert> * prep subiquity release for above items and to get updates into 20.04.4
[16:01] <dbungert> * ubuntu-desktop-installer - LP: #1959579 - investigate subiquity side and
[16:01] <dbungert> recommend livecd-rootfs changes to allow u-d-i to pick the kernel they want
[16:01] <dbungert> * curtin - review and merge fix for LP: #1955671, thanks x_nox
[16:01] <dbungert> (done)
[16:01] <slyon> - MIR review libapache2-mod-auth-openidc, LP: #1959722
[16:01] <slyon> - fixed sudo autopkgtests (after merge)
[16:01] <slyon> - sponsorig new libzdnn package (s390x)
[16:01] <slyon> - merging systemd-stable 249.10, disabling some flaky tests
[16:01] <slyon> - working on barbican proposed-migration, LP: #1959626
[16:01] <slyon>   + hits timeout in sqlalchemy.engine.connect() – but why?!
[16:01] <slyon> - pushing systemd vs dbus-daemon issue a bit:
[16:01] <slyon>   https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/22038
[16:01] <slyon> [16:01] <slyon> - Fixed NetworkManager integration:
[16:01] <slyon>   https://code.launchpad.net/~slyon/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/network-manager/+merge/415663
[16:01] <slyon> - lots of pre-release testing, smaller fixes & packaging work
[16:01] <slyon> - released 0.104 upstream \o/ (and uploaded to jammy)
[16:02] <slyon> (done)
[16:02] <bdmurray> ginggs:
[16:02] <ginggs> * Working on FTBFS and autopkgtest regressions in Python 3.10-as-default transition
[16:02] <ginggs> * FTBFS reports
[16:02] <ginggs> * No-change rebuilds for vtk 9.1 transition
[16:02] <ginggs> * Worked on FTBFS and merges; ppc64-diag,
[16:02] <ginggs> * Sponsored some uploads; pytest-sugar, python-pxattr, openspi and shasta
[16:02] <ginggs> * No-change rebuilds for LP: #1959054
[16:02] <ginggs> (done)
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * ubuntu-image
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * Made updates to snapd PR to address requested changes
[16:03] <jawn-smith>     * Productive meetings about pre-built rootfs handling in new design                                               * Working on example snaps to show Raspberry Pi header pin usage on Core
[16:03] <jawn-smith>     * Also working on a blog post to demonstrate these                                                                * Assisting security team in understanding golang-*-dev packages and how to recursively determine the packages that need to be rebuilt when a security vulnerability is found
[16:03] <jawn-smith> * Working on scripts to identify LP bugs related to accessiblity and a11y for the accessibility TMRG.
[16:03] <jawn-smith> [done]
[16:03] <bdmurray> investigation into germinate with -updates (LP: #1921862)
[16:03] <bdmurray> closed the Focal task for the above given changes to livecd-rootfs
[16:03] <bdmurray> livecd-rootfs MP to replace lupin-casper w/ casper
[16:03] <bdmurray> uploaded livecd-rootfs to B, F, I, J for LP: #1960537
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated focal seed for change from btrfs-tools to btrfs-progs
[16:03] <bdmurray> sru-verification of /boot partition sizing LP: #1959971
[16:03] <bdmurray> merged autopkgtest-package-configs change adding shasta to big_packages
[16:03] <bdmurray> sync'ed memtest86+ from Debian, sent email regarding the new version
[16:03] <bdmurray> email to ubuntu-devel regarding /boot partition sizing
[16:03] <bdmurray> review, sponsoring of enr0n's apport wayland ubuntu-bug -w changes
[16:03] <bdmurray> review of ogayot's whoopsie --no-polling changes
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated EoL crash removal code to remove more columns
[16:03] <bdmurray> submitted RT to remove crash data for Ubuntu 16.04 crashes
[16:03] <bdmurray> preparing for and conducting interviews
[16:03] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:04] <juliank> sil2100 is not in here
[16:04] <bdmurray> enr0n:
[16:04] <enr0n> * macaulay2 vs gdbm
[16:04] <enr0n>   - test timed out; success on retry
[16:04] <enr0n> * MP submitted and merged for LP #1959458
[16:04] <enr0n> * Filed MIR for plocate (LP #1960864)
[16:04] <enr0n>   - Opened LP #1961266 (with patch) to address MIR feedback
[16:04] <enr0n> * Fixed LP: #1952947
[16:04] <enr0n>   - bdmurray sponsored upload to jammy
[16:04] <enr0n>   - Waiting for sponsor(s) for SRU to focal and impish
[16:04] <enr0n> (done)
[16:04] <juliank> * various grub work
[16:04] <juliank>   - switch to fuse3 (LP: #1935659)
[16:04] <juliank>   - run os-prober on new install and if run before (LP: #1955109)
[16:04] <juliank>   - fix wrong number of bytes being freed (LP: #1958623)
[16:05] <juliank> * UC20 signing for shim/grub (LP: #1961080)
[16:05] <juliank> * sponsored python-debian for schopin
[16:05] <juliank> * autopkgtest-cloud:
[16:05] <juliank>   - restart rabbitmq, write an auto restarter
[16:05] <juliank> (done)
[16:05] <bdmurray> vorlon is out
[16:05] <bdmurray> xypron:
[16:05] <xypron> Investigated 'toil' autopkgtests failures LP #1961097
[16:05] <xypron> Fixed #1960263 python-pil-doc fails to build in jammy
[16:05] <xypron> Reworked GRUB pull request for riscv64 support LP #1876620
[16:05] <xypron> Analyzing what is needed to used Ubuntu toolchain for building recovery tools for VisionFive board
[16:05] <xypron> <done />
[16:07] <bdmurray> waveform:
[16:07] <waveform> * Fix for debhelper was merged upstream (https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debhelper/-/merge_requests/61)
[16:07] <waveform> * ginngs kindly sponsored the debhelper merge (LP: #1960248) which incorporated the --no-restart fix (LP: #1959054)
[16:07] <waveform> * Added list of packages that need rebuilding to the aforementioned bugs (and another for Debian upstream)
[16:07] <waveform> * Jammy raspi desktop images have a non-functional swapfile; proposed a merge to fix (LP: #1961047)
[16:07] <waveform> * Merged pi-gadget changes
[16:07] <waveform> * Lots of testing of focal .4 dailies using the new gadget from the "classic" branch
[16:07] <waveform> * Pushed one gadget fix for missing net.ifnames=0 on series <= focal
[16:07] <waveform> * Verification of the vcio permissions fix (LP: #1958563)
[16:07] <waveform> * Investigating upgrade failure on linux-firmware-raspi (LP: #1961185)
[16:07] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[16:07] <waveform> (done)
[16:07] <alexghiti> Opensbi new ISA spec fix uploaded
[16:07] <alexghiti> Python-pip test fix as suggested by stefanor
[16:07] <alexghiti> Servicelog version bump to fix FTBFS uploaded
[16:07] <alexghiti> Shasta disabled test that consumed too much memory (even with big_packages)
[16:07] <alexghiti> Lintian merge work: lots of MIR or a demotion to universe? Discussion ongoing
[16:07] <alexghiti> U-boot upstream build failures investigations https://source.denx.de/u-boot/custodians/u-boot-riscv/-/jobs/393314
[16:07] <alexghiti> Linux kernel upstream fixes following sv48 introduction
[16:07] <alexghiti> (done)
[16:07] <bdmurray> ogayot:
[16:07] <ogayot> * subiquity:
[16:07] <ogayot>   * worked on third-party drivers (more issues when mounting overlays)
[16:07] <ogayot>   * implemented option to run commands in private mounts namespace
[16:07] <ogayot>   * fixed installation not finishing when query to geoip service is still running (move to async HTTP for geoip)
[16:08] <ogayot>   * investigated integration tests regression on jammy-daily -> caused by move to glibc 2.35
[16:08] <ogayot>   * met with UX to discuss improvements for ubuntu advantage support
[16:08] <ogayot> * whoopsie / apport: added timer-based activation for apport-autoreport (every 3h). Tests looking good so far.
[16:08] <ogayot> * python-testtools from merge party (LP #1960297)
[16:08] <ogayot> done
[16:08] <bdmurray> doko:
[16:09] <bdmurray> schopin‽
[16:09] <doko> - icu now migrated, remaining bits are in NBS
[16:09] <doko> - ocaml should be ready to migrate now, once autopkg tests finish
[16:09] <doko> - perl: giving back autopkg tests with &all-proposed=1, still a lot to run
[16:09] <doko> - packaged gdb trunk (to become 12.1)
[16:09] <doko> - updated openjdk-18 to the release candidate 1
[16:09] <doko> - gcc-12 updated, libgo soname bump, should be ready to upload now
[16:09] <doko> - ubuntu-archive work related to migrations
[16:09] <doko> - now have the results for an LTO test rebuild in Debian, hopefully will reduce the delta again for 22.10
[16:09] <doko> - retried builds for the impish vX test rebuilds
[16:09] <doko> - taking a vacation day for tomorrow, Feb 18
[16:09] <doko> (done)
[16:09] <schopin> * On +1 rotation this week, but much time was also taken by the Rust MIR work
[16:09] <schopin> * Distro work:
[16:09] <schopin>   + Finished the mini-transition that I triggered when patching haskell-hsopenssl
[16:09] <schopin>   + Filed a bug to remove ruby-gitlab-labkit from the archive as out of date and blocking
[16:09] <schopin>     other packages from migrating (LP: #1960803)
[16:09] <schopin>   + Fixed libdbd-mysql-perl FTBFS for the Perl transition (LP: #1960784)
[16:09] <schopin>   + Rebuilt siril and x264 for the libffms2-5 transition
[16:09] <schopin>   + Looked into opa-ff build failure, turned out to be caused by a packaging difference between Debian and Ubuntu at the kernel level (LP: #1960841)
[16:09] <schopin>   + Uploaded no-change rebuilds of sundials and petsc for the libhydre transition
[16:09] <schopin>   + Contacted upstream regarding the ntpsec situation wrt OpenSSL 3.0 : https://gitlab.com/NTPsec/ntpsec/-/issues/726
[16:09] <schopin>   + Synced tpm2-openssl from Debian experimental (LP: #1959901)
[16:09] <schopin>   + Pinged upstream for a new release for tpm2-tss (LP: #1958439)
[16:09] <schopin>   + Patched openpace to fix openssl-related FTBFS (LP: #1960913)
[16:10] <schopin>   + Patched racket to recommend libssl3 instead of libssl1
[16:10] <schopin>   + Reviewed and sponsored opencryptoki for fheimes (LP: #1959419)
[16:10] <schopin>   + Investigated softhms2 OpenSSL related FTBFS, with little progress (LP: #1961189)
[16:10] <schopin> * Rust: I finalized a candidate version for 1.58.1 but am investigating armhf failures in the test suite. See LP: #1957932 for a better status report
[16:10] <schopin> * Netplan: reviewed a couple of PRs for slyon
[16:10] <schopin> ✓ done
[16:10] <bdmurray> any questions on status?
[16:11] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[16:11] <bdmurray> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:12] <bdmurray> bug 1895799
[16:13] <bdmurray> If the server team isn't on this then we should take it.
[16:14] <bdmurray> so let's card it and target it
[16:14] <bdmurray> bug 1958720 that one it looks like the server team is on
[16:15] <bdmurray> bug 1914278
[16:16] <bdmurray> So the packagekit bug just needs sponsoring for Jammy as a start.
[16:16] <bdmurray> Is there somebody interested in sponsoring it?
[16:16] <juliank> yes
[16:16] <bdmurray> great, thanks. Do you think it is worth carding?
[16:17] <bdmurray> I mean do you need a card to track it or will you just JFDI?
[16:17] <juliank> It's now actually the new upstream release itself
[16:17] <juliank> I'd like a card
[16:17] <bdmurray> ack
[16:17] <juliank> No sense uploading a git snapshot debdiff if the release it out :)
[16:17] <mclemenceau> ok carded
[16:17] <bdmurray> The card would be useful for tracking the SRU of the fix too
[16:17] <bdmurray> bug 1961047
[16:18] <bdmurray> let's card the review of that
[16:18] <bdmurray> bug 1960749
[16:19] <juliank> this is a dpkg incompleteness
[16:19] <juliank> I don't know if we can/want to fix it
[16:19] <juliank> we can probably move it to next cycle at the very least
[16:20] <juliank> basically it keeps dirs and symlinks in /usr/share/doc that should not be there
[16:20] <juliank> due to how dpkg unpacks tarballs
[16:20] <juliank> (longstanding XXX in code)
[16:21] <bdmurray> yeah, lets punt it to Krazy Kangaroo
[16:21] <juliank> yeah up to kool koala
[16:22] <bdmurray> bug 1947046
[16:22] <bdmurray> juliank: have you seen that MP?
[16:22] <juliank> yes um that's straight to selected for development
[16:23] <juliank> we don't _need_ that code, xypron's patch also handles it, but security review so hmm
[16:23] <juliank> so I'll see if I can put it in the upload
[16:24] <bdmurray> Okay, thanks.
[16:24] <bdmurray> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:24] <bdmurray> bug 1959085
[16:25] <bdmurray> The hope is xnox will look at that
[16:25] <bdmurray> and rls-ff is just /boot partition sizing
[16:26] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:26] <jawn-smith> o/
[16:26] <jawn-smith> glibc I'm assuming is mwhudson
[16:26] <schopin> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:26] <jawn-smith> libselinux and libsemanage should be with the server team
[16:26] <jawn-smith> python-click was previously with mwhudson for the mailman3 issue
[16:27] <jawn-smith> it now seems to be related to something else. Does anyone know if that's still with mwhudson?
[16:27] <dbungert> I think we can assume that
[16:28] <jawn-smith> alright, time to dive into python3-defaults
[16:28] <jawn-smith> barbican was slyon
[16:28] <slyon> still with me, it's a bit tricky
[16:28] <jawn-smith> Steve had mentioned that it was a tough one
[16:29] <jawn-smith> libapache2-mod-python was alexghiti
[16:29] <slyon> going down the rabbit hole on barbican currently :)
[16:29] <alexghiti> Yes; I updated the bug report with my findings, but I have to admit that I dropped this one because it is marked server-todo
[16:30] <jawn-smith> libreoffice probably just needs a retry on armhf
[16:30] <jawn-smith> IIRC that one is known to be flakey and prone to timeouts
[16:31] <bdmurray> I can click that button
[16:31] <jawn-smith> mdanalysis, any volunteers?
[16:31] <jawn-smith> thanks bdmurray
[16:32] <jawn-smith> waveform: mdanalysis is arm64. Can you take a look?
[16:32] <bdmurray> I can look at mdanalysis with enr0n
[16:32] <jawn-smith> alexghiti: in your status last week you mentioned fixing the mosquitto autopkgtest. Was that python3.10 related?
[16:33] <jawn-smith> based on the number of failed retries on s390x this appears to be an actual issue
[16:33] <ogayot> the regression with Python 3.10 is fixed, but the package still FTBFS because of bug #1929553
[16:33] <alexghiti> Mosquitto was'nt mine :)
[16:33] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: thanks!
[16:34] <jawn-smith> waveform: python-clevercsv
[16:34] <waveform> jawn-smith, ack
[16:34] <jawn-smith> alexghiti: looks like you were looking into python-dugong
[16:34] <jawn-smith> you have a lot of these :)
[16:35] <alexghiti> Ok I'll look into it a bit more :)
[16:35] <jawn-smith> it looks like you looked into a few of them for +1
[16:35] <jawn-smith> If you need to pass some of them off we can definitely reassign
[16:37] <jawn-smith> python-pip is doko
[16:37] <jawn-smith> software-properties: any takers?
[16:37] <schopin> o/
[16:37] <jawn-smith> thanks schopin!
[16:38] <jawn-smith> toil and unicycler were also looked at by alexghiti during +1
[16:38] <bdmurray> schopin: FYSA the software-properties tests are very long
[16:38] <alexghiti> unicycler will be fixed when upstream will take a look at spades
[16:38] <alexghiti> toil may not support python 3.10 upstream
[16:39] <jawn-smith> okay great. Does toil have any reverse dependencies?
[16:39] <jawn-smith> and is it active upstream? can we expect 3.10 support to be added by upstream?
[16:40] <alexghiti> There is patch that fixes a few things but not everything
[16:40] <alexghiti> But I'll do a proper summary for this one too
[16:40] <doko> toil has no rdeps
[16:40] <jawn-smith> it doesn't appear to have any reverse dependencies, so we may be able to remove it from the archive for now
[16:40] <alexghiti> Ok, I'll re-check one last time before asking for removal then
[16:40] <doko> I'll remove it, if somebody files an issue, or points to a debian issue
[16:41] <jawn-smith> thanks alexghiti and doko
[16:41] <jawn-smith> That's it for python3-defaults, hooray
[16:41] <jawn-smith> libplist appears to have a regression. Any volunteers?
[16:42] <ginggs> doko: there's debian bug #1004516 for toil
[16:42] <dbungert> libplist might just be a retry
[16:43] <jawn-smith> ogayot was looking into initramfs-tools vs klibc
[16:43] <ogayot> sadly haven't had time to look deep enough into that one
[16:43] <ogayot> would gladly trade it for another one though!
[16:43] <jawn-smith> I'll look into initramfs-tools vs klibc then
[16:44] <ogayot> thanks, appreciated!
[16:44] <jawn-smith> waveform: any progress on cdebconf vs kopanocore?
[16:44] <jawn-smith> It looks like cdebconf may also need a retest against glibc 2.35
[16:44] <waveform> jawn-smith, kopanocore was likely just a net timeout and probably just needs a retry; didn't have time to dig into the glibc side of it but it was 2.34 so perhaps 2.35 fixes it
[16:45] <bdmurray> I can retry glibc stuff
[16:45] <jawn-smith> thanks bdmurray
[16:45] <jawn-smith> and now for everyone's favorite: perl!
[16:46] <jawn-smith> ogayot: could  have have a look at cyrus-imapd?
[16:46] <doko> cyrus-imapd/3.4.3-3: ppc64el, I removed the binaries, so that one should be ignored
[16:46] <ogayot> sure
[16:46] <jawn-smith> never mind then!
[16:46] <doko> bdmurray: ^^^
[16:46] <jawn-smith> ogayot: how about libclass-dby-sweet-perl?
[16:46] <jawn-smith> s/dby/dbi/
[16:46] <ogayot> yes, that's a sweet name
[16:47] <jawn-smith> who still needs one?
[16:47] <dbungert> I need one
[16:47] <slyon> I can take the systemd one
[16:48] <jawn-smith> dbungert: libobject-pad-slotattr-final-perl ?
[16:48] <dbungert> ack
[16:48] <jawn-smith> ginggs: libspreadsheet-wright-perl ?
[16:49] <ginggs> sure
[16:49] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[16:53] <jawn-smith> xypron: can you take a look at libcommon-sense-perl?
[16:53] <xypron> sure
[16:53] <jawn-smith> it is FTBFS
[16:55] <jawn-smith> juliank: Can you take a look at the libobject-pad-slotattr* packages with dbungert ?
[16:55] <xypron> jawn-smith: libcommon-sense-perl is waiting for perl to build. What are you missing?
[16:56] <jawn-smith> update excuses said it had missing builds, but as that appears to be i386 only can you take a look at libcrypt-openssl-random-perl instead?
[16:57] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:57] <bdmurray> Monday is a US holiday, however I'm taking tomorrow off.
[16:57] <dbungert> same
[16:58] <mclemenceau> I'll be off Monday as well
[16:58] <bdmurray> Alright, thanks everybody!
[16:58] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:58:46 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-02-17-16.01.moin.txt
[17:01] <dbungert> juliank: I'll take {final,isa}-perl and it sounds like you'll take {lazyinit,trigger}-perl
[17:01] <juliank> dbungert: if you work on this today, let me know if that was just one central bug so I don't reinvestigate tomorrow :)
[17:02] <dbungert> juliank: sounds good


[11:02] <tat_> helo, i just installed sun-java6-javadb and tryed to run "java org.apacha.derby.tools.ij". But the class was not found, now i need to know how can i set the classpath globaly in Ubuntu and shouldn't there by an automized way to add all new installed java libarys ?
[11:04] <man-di> you dont want them on a global classpath
[11:05] <man-di> NEVER for Java
[11:05] <man-di> use this: java -cp YOURCLASSPATH org.apacha.derby.tools.ij
[11:09] <tat_> man-di is what i did, so i have allways to add the classpath option/variable ?
[11:11] <man-di> you can write a simple wrapper script and always use this wrapper script
[11:12] <tat_> is there a Ubuntu/Java documentation page, i have looked for it but i did not found anything more detailed.
[11:12] <man-di> thats not ubuntu specific
[11:13] <man-di> that is how Java always was on all OSes
[11:19] <tat_> in the and it is still the same like downloading the tar's from sun and unpacking them under /opt and symlinking the bins, there is no advance by installing sun java by dpkg .:(


[02:42] <seven4seven> Hi, I have a suggestion for the "Install additional applications" at https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/addremove-install.html.en
[02:44] <seven4seven> I believe that in addition to snap packages and Debian packages, AppImages should be mentioned too