[01:34] <Lirodon> coz_, hello again
[01:35] <coz_> Lirodon,  hey guy
[05:40] <didrocks> good morning
[07:07] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:40] <andyrock> JohnLea, around?
[07:42] <andyrock> JohnLea, btw when you are available can you give a look to the last comment of this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/772445
[08:06] <htorque> andyrock: hi! can you confirm bug 856184?
[08:09] <andyrock> htorque, done
[08:09] <andyrock> i'm not sure if it's a problem in unity (ubuntu) too
[08:09] <htorque> likely, but i haven't installed that anywhere
[08:10] <htorque> andyrock: thanks anyway. now to catch the crashers - quitting apps randomly takes down unity here. :(
[08:11] <andyrock> htorque, me too...
[08:11] <andyrock> are you able to get a backtrace and open a bug?
[08:12] <andyrock> htorque, i know you are able... i mean "can you get..."
[08:12] <andyrock> :)
[08:15] <htorque> andyrock: sure will do, i just have to purge the desktop-team PPA first (contains the stacking fixing compiz). not sure if that's already in ubuntu and i'm not feeling good when doing such reports with PPAs enabled. :P
[08:16] <andyrock> htorque, ok ok thx :)
[08:18] <JohnLea> andyrock; so the issue is that it takes up to 5 sec to get the file type of very large files, and there is no way of reducing this delay?
[08:21] <andyrock> JohnLea, 5 sec is an example but 1 sec of freeze sucks too... i noticed this freeze only with browser (firefox or chrom*) images
[08:22] <JohnLea> andyrock; agree that freeze completely sucks.  You have only encountered this when dragging images from *inside* a web page?
[08:22] <andyrock> JohnLea, yes...
[08:24] <andyrock> JohnLea, also with images not so "big"
[08:25] <andyrock> e.g. unity logo on top of LP Unity page
[08:26] <andyrock> JohnLea, give me just a second... i've an idea
[08:28] <JohnLea> andyrock; cool
[08:29] <JohnLea> andyrock; from a design prospective the ideal solution is to find a way to eliminate the delay, but I know that answer doesn't help you
[08:29] <andyrock> JohnLea, maybe the problem is that the img is not taken from the browser cache
[08:30] <andyrock> but it is downloaded from the Internet
[08:30] <andyrock> let me debug... :)
[08:33] <andyrock> JohnLea, QED
[08:33] <andyrock> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/53981966/unity-logo-64.png
[08:33] <andyrock> the problem is that it takes time to download it...
[08:39] <andyrock> JohnLea, a workaround could be diabiling the icon that should be downloaded
[08:39] <andyrock> but i guess there is a better solution
[08:49] <JohnLea> andyrock; good luck, I don't think I'll be much help with this one but keep me posted.  I'll ask racarr when he get's in if he has any ideas
[08:50] <andyrock> JohnLea, ok... tell racarr that using g_file_query_info_async removes the freeze but not the delay
[08:57] <htorque> andyrock: you said you were getting the crashes too. are you using the compiz from the ubuntu-desktop PPA (stacking issues fixed)?
[08:58] <andyrock> i use the ubuntu-desktop ppa
[08:58] <andyrock> so i guess yep
[08:59] <htorque> either i've been unlucky for the past 30 minutes or it's related to that compiz version.
[08:59] <andyrock> htorque, 1:<IP_ADDRESS>+bzr20110919-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[08:59] <htorque> andyrock: thanks. will try again for a bit and then switch back to the PPA.
[08:59] <andyrock> htorque, try to get the bt using the ppa
[09:00] <htorque> i haven't seen any crashes right now.
[09:00] <htorque> andyrock: ok
[09:00] <andyrock> thx
[09:01] <htorque> andyrock: meh, this gets rid of all -dbgsym packages. :-/
[09:03] <andyrock> htorque, yeah....
[09:50] <njpatel> apinheiro, re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/817691, it seems the a11y code uses unsetenv call after some threads are launched and that's not safe, do we need those calls?
[09:50] <njpatel> it seems to be okay to use them very early in the main() but not so good if we start threaded stuff (like gdbus), which calls getenv and can cause a race
[09:51] <apinheiro> njpatel, hi
[09:51] <njpatel> apinheiro, hey :)
[09:51] <apinheiro> hmm
[09:51] <apinheiro> but this is something new?
[09:51] <apinheiro> I mean, was crashing before
[09:51] <apinheiro> ?
[09:51] <njpatel> nope, it's new in O
[09:52] <njpatel> apinheiro, in panel-a11y.c, there is g_unsetenv twice, is that required?
[09:52] <njpatel> basically it's racing between the setenv and dconf starting in a thread
[09:52] <njpatel> (and doing a getenv)
[09:52] <njpatel> so, fun
[09:53] <njpatel> and gettext obviously does getenv too
[09:53] <apinheiro> njpatel, I will check it
[09:53] <apinheiro> I didn't write that code, was rodrigo
[09:53] <apinheiro> but in summary, it should be a g_unset before start the a11y stuff
[09:53] <apinheiro> and then a set to restore the status
[09:53] <njpatel> apinheiro, so, it's weird:
[09:53] <njpatel> in main, we do:
[09:54] <njpatel>   g_unsetenv("UBUNTU_MENUPROXY");
[09:54] <njpatel>   g_setenv ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", "1", TRUE);
[09:54] <njpatel>   g_unsetenv ("NO_GAIL");
[09:54] <njpatel>   panel_service_get_default();
[09:54] <njpatel>   a11y_init();
[09:54] <njpatel> and that calls the unsetenv
[09:54] <njpatel> get_default() is loading the indicators etc, so they aren't goign to be effected by the unsetenv
[09:55] <njpatel> but, yeah, please have a look. Ideally we wouldn't be doing (un)setenv's that late in the startup
[09:55] <apinheiro> well, for what it worths
[09:55] <apinheiro> we do that
[09:55] <apinheiro> in order to ensure that any child process will have the proper env
[09:56] <apinheiro> if this is not required
[09:56] <apinheiro> we could just avoid restoring the env on a11y_init
[09:57] <njpatel> I can't think it is with indicators, but if you could test that it doesn't cause regressions with the panel, I can make the change quickly in trunk
[09:57] <apinheiro> njpatel, and afaik, there isn't any panel-service child process that would require a11y support, right?
[09:57] <njpatel> nope, none that I can think of
[09:57] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, I will move to this then
[09:57] <apinheiro> njpatel, one question
[09:57] <apinheiro> to reproduce it
[09:57] <apinheiro> it happens all the times or it is a race condition
[09:57] <apinheiro> and just crashes sometimes?
[10:04] <njpatel> apinheiro, it's a race so very hard to reproduce
[10:04] <apinheiro> njpatel, btw, could this also be a issue for unity-3d?
[10:04] <njpatel> apinheiro, at this point, I'd like to just test that there are no regressions when removing those two unsetenv calls, we can then send out a release for the people effected to test
[10:05] <njpatel> apinheiro, it could but I have yet to see one bug report. That could be due to do the different type of startup with compiz involved etc
[10:05] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok
[10:07] <apinheiro> njpatel, looking at the code in detail
[10:08] <apinheiro> we can remove   g_unsetenv ("NO_GAIL");
[10:08] <apinheiro> but
[10:08] <apinheiro> we can't just remove   g_unsetenv ("NO_AT_BRIDGE");
[10:08] <apinheiro> at panel_a11y_init
[10:08] <apinheiro> as if we don't do that
[10:08] <apinheiro> the atk bridge will prevent himself to be loaded
[10:08] <apinheiro> when we load it by hand
[10:09] <apinheiro> njpatel, one question
[10:09] <apinheiro> calling g_unsetenv is a problem if we do that
[10:09] <njpatel> maybe we can move up the panel init to be before the panel_service init?
[10:09] <apinheiro> after _get_default, right?
[10:09] <njpatel> right
[10:09] <njpatel> so can we move it to before?
[10:09] <apinheiro> well, my suggestion was similar
[10:10] <njpatel> :)
[10:10] <apinheiro> load the bridge before that call
[10:10] <apinheiro> and then, a different call to ensure that the a11y object hierarchy include the service
[10:10] <njpatel> right
[10:11] <apinheiro> I will try that and propose a branch
[10:11] <njpatel> thankd
[10:22] <apinheiro> njpatel, is there a problem if panel_a11y calls panel_service_get_default during the intialization?
[10:22] <njpatel> apinheiro, is this after the unsetenv?
[10:22] <apinheiro> njpatel, yes
[10:23] <njpatel> It should be fine
[10:23] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, just trying to reduce the change to be as small as possible
[10:23] <apinheiro> thanks
[10:27] <apinheiro> njpatel, after a quick test with orca, it seems to keep working
[10:27] <apinheiro> and it is a small change
[10:27] <apinheiro> just move panel_a11y_init
[10:27] <apinheiro> to be called before
[10:27] <apinheiro>   service = panel_service_get_default ();
[10:27] <njpatel> apinheiro, okay, I can make that if you want, to avoid merge proposal etc etc
[10:28] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok
[10:28] <apinheiro> although for the future, it would be good add a note like this:
[10:29] <apinheiro> 	//Note: panel_a11y_init needs to be done before service_get_default,
[10:29] <apinheiro>   // to avoid a race condition with g_unsetenv. Take a look to bug 817691
[10:29] <njpatel> apinheiro, right, thanks :)
[10:30] <apinheiro> njpatel, thanks to you
[11:41] <htorque> smspillaz: hi! is https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80602060/unity_crasher_better.log the crash when closing windows that's already fix comitted?
[11:42] <htorque> bug 856305 bug 856015
[13:15] <andyrock> JohnLea, to avoid the delay what about guessing the content type using filename
[13:15] <andyrock> ?
[13:15] <JohnLea> andyrock; hyia
[13:15] <andyrock> of course only for "virtual" file
[13:16] <racarr> andyrock: Ping? JohnLea mentioned something you said about drag and drop in unity and some awkward delay?
[13:16] <andyrock> racarr, hi
[13:17] <andyrock> well in Unity we use g_file_query_info to get the content type of every single file we are dragging
[13:18] <andyrock> for locale files it works well
[13:18] <andyrock> but dragging a browser (chrom* or firefox etc.) image
[13:18] <andyrock> g_file_query_info takes too time
[13:18] <andyrock> we can use g_file_query_info to avoid the delay
[13:19] <andyrock> sorry
[13:19] <andyrock> to avoid the freeze
[13:19] <andyrock> but we can't avoid the delay
[13:19] <andyrock> using g_file_query_info
[13:19] <andyrock> this is all... :)
[13:20] <andyrock> I can easily implement this behavior:
[13:20] <racarr> Hmm. Ok. I will look in to it. (probably not this week...in london for a bit), but im doing some Dnd stuff next week
[13:20] <andyrock> 1) if the file is a locale one use g_file_query_info
[13:21] <andyrock> 2) if the file is not in locale guess the mimetype from filename
[13:22] <racarr> The thing is, firefox should be saying over XDnd what mime types the source can be...
[13:23] <andyrock> racarr, ok... we just uri/list stuff
[13:23] <andyrock> *just->get
[13:23] <racarr> so I don't think we have to use g_file_query_info at all to determine which applications can support I think
[13:25] <racarr> I can't produce any delay though actually even with a 12mb png
[13:25] <racarr> but maybe the internet here is too fast :) I will have to look in to it more later. Thanks :)
[13:25] <andyrock> racarr, will you be online for a while?
[13:26] <racarr> andyrock: For a while yes. but I am at a sprint atm, so kind of distracted from unity so can't do any too serious looking in to it right now
[13:27] <andyrock> racarr, no problem... i just want to get a test and tell you the results
[13:28] <racarr> andyrock: Ok, great, thanks :)
[13:28] <andyrock> racarr, yw
[13:41] <andyrock> racarr, dragging and image using chrom* and using nux to get the dnd data i get:
[13:41] <andyrock> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/695120/
[13:45] <andyrock> firefox gives not (at lease using the nux interface) the type but something like x-moz-nativeimage
[13:46] <racarr> andyrock: Hmm. I will have to look in to the full code path here, I think something is definitely wrong is there is any delay...
[13:46] <racarr> if there is*
[14:30] <om26er> smspillaz, hi could you tell which crash was fixed with this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~smspillaz/compiz-core/compiz-core.fix_856015/+merge/76501 was it this crash bug 851472
[14:31] <om26er> htorque, your's is also the above crash I guess ?
[14:31] <htorque> yeah :)
[14:31] <smspillaz> who doth ping me
[14:32] <smspillaz> om26er: no
[14:32] <smspillaz> om26er: it was a crash that could happen if an application unmapped a window as withdrawn, re-mapped it, and then closed it
[14:33] <om26er> smspillaz, ok, i believe the above crash is also in compiz itself though
[14:38] <htorque> om26er: anothter thing. can you explain what you mean with the 24px in bug 835989? i've seen that report before reporting mine, but didn't quite understand the description.
[14:39] <om26er> htorque, invoke launcher from the area top-left 24px and leave it without hovering over the launcher
[14:39] <om26er> the bug has a video i think
[14:39] <smspillaz> om26er: hang on
[14:40] <smspillaz> uhhh
[14:40] <smspillaz> XNextEvent crashing?
[14:40] <om26er> htorque, i am going to make a new video for you
[14:40] <smspillaz> that's a NoCrash (tm) funciton
[14:40] <smspillaz> om26er: let me look into what might failing in xlib
[14:40] <om26er> smspillaz, oki doki ;)
[14:41] <smspillaz> om26er: uhhh, so was xlib recently updated ?
[14:41] <smspillaz> err libX11
[14:42] <om26er> smspillaz, no last update six weeks ago
[14:42] <smspillaz> :/
[14:42] <om26er> htorque, http://videobin.org/+58l/5n4.ogg
[14:43] <htorque> om26er: hm, but you didn't trigger the unhide in that area? you just left it while it was unhiding, which i suspected was the problem.
[14:45] <htorque> om26er: oh, that crasher has a lot of dupes. i probably should have turned on the update-manager service (else you don't get apport popups). ;-)
[14:45] <om26er> htorque, didnt understand what you mean?
[14:45] <om26er> htorque, ;-)
[14:47] <htorque> om26er: in the clip you added to the bug report you didn't reveal it like in the new one (more like i did in my bug: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80589264/launcher-stuck.ogv - starting from below the top-left corner then going upwards to the panel area).
[14:48] <om26er> htorque, both seem clearly the same to me
[14:48] <om26er> and i can reproduce the both way
[14:48] <om26er> also Trevinho had some thoughts about it as well
[14:49] <htorque> me too. i'll just wait. if this is fixed and i can still make it stuck, i'll just open a new bug. :)
[14:49] <smspillaz> om26er: ok, I'm going to ask RAOF about that tomorrow. I'm suprised about: event=0x7fffa408d510) considering that its just a pointer to something on the stack
[14:50]  * smspillaz thinks maybe we should allocate an array the size of XPending
[14:50] <om26er> smspillaz, ok, thx
[14:52] <Trevinho> om26er: about that bug I've still to check what we can do
[14:53] <om26er> Trevinho, it started just after the BFB was removed
[14:53] <om26er> *from panel
[14:58] <Trevinho> om26er: ok
[14:58] <Trevinho> actually I was thinking the same thing
[14:58] <Trevinho> checking now
[15:01] <MacSlow> anybody here who knows or goes by the name Victor Eduardo ? please ping me
[15:02] <om26er> Trevinho, you might want to hold off jason assigned himself so making you aware to avoid duplicate effort
[15:04] <Trevinho> om26er: I just study the thing quickly now
[15:04] <Trevinho> if I can find something I'll change the bug infos ;)
[15:04] <om26er> okay :)
[15:22] <Trevinho> om26er: do you like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nkNjhbGwTs ?
[15:29] <shibata> Hi, all.
[15:33] <om26er> Trevinho, that looks interesting
[15:33] <om26er> Trevinho, can i haz the code for real testing?
[15:34] <shibata> Can anyone review merge request for #663776? https://code.launchpad.net/~cosmos-door/unity/fix-preedit-663776/+merge/75350
[15:34] <om26er> then i'd be sure if its a distraction or attraction :D
[15:42] <andyrock> gord, in dash keyboard navigation space key and enter should have the same behavior
[15:43] <Trevinho> om26er: the code is still on WIP, i've to push it somewhere... But it's bugged for maximized windows actually
[15:43] <Trevinho> however the animation is very fast, it shouldn't distract
[15:43] <om26er> Trevinho, oh, i'll hold off then though nice work so far
[15:44] <Trevinho> and it's somethig requested on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/691776
[15:44] <om26er> yes, i know that
[15:54] <Trevinho> om26er: also I guess it wouldn't be too hard to do what should be done according to the design that Mark pointed out: show the menus the more you're near to the panel
[15:54] <om26er> Trevinho, guess we can have this part sorted out nicely for the LTS then
[15:55]  * om26er thinks Trevinho is in love with the panel ;)
[15:57] <Trevinho> om26er: I don't love it so much, but it neeeds to be tuned! :)
[15:57] <Trevinho> And so, here I am.
[16:06] <andyrock> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/750358
[16:06] <andyrock> fix released?
[16:06] <om26er> looking
[16:06] <andyrock> om26er, thx
[16:07] <om26er> andyrock, not sure about "and gain a tint based on the average wallpaper colour."
[16:07] <om26er> from the bug report
[16:08] <om26er> i guess would be better if that screenshot could be accessed
[16:08] <andyrock> well somethink like the dash
[16:08] <andyrock> JohnLea, ^^^
[16:10] <JohnLea> andyrock; yes, basically exactly the same average background colour tinted material that is used for the Dash, Alt-Tab, etc...
[16:10] <JohnLea> om26er ^^^
[16:10] <andyrock> well now it has the same average background color
[16:12] <om26er> JohnLea, currently it looks like this http://videobin.org/+58o/5n7.ogg is that what the bug is about?
[16:12] <om26er> can we call it fixed
[16:13] <JohnLea> om26er; yes that looks fixed to me ;-)
[16:13] <om26er> andyrock, ^^
[16:13] <om26er> JohnLea, thx :)
[16:14] <andyrock> om26er, JohnLea thx one bug less... :)
[16:14] <Trevinho> om26er: try this lp:~3v1n0/unity/fading-panelmenu (not tested if compiles :P)
[16:14] <om26er> Trevinho, i'll try that now ;)
[16:16] <Trevinho> JohnLea: I've seen that the "bug" about showing the window buttons on pressing alt has been "fixed"... Is that really the designed solution?
[16:17] <JohnLea> Trevinho; can you remember the bug #?
[16:20] <JohnLea> Trevinho; you mean bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/836274
[16:21] <Trevinho> JohnLea: #836274
[16:22] <Trevinho> Ah, sorry.. .:P
[16:25] <om26er> andyrock, do you have any thoughts about bug 745707 ?
[16:25] <andyrock> om26er, if i'm not wrong this was a wanted behavior... so should not be so difficult use the old behavior
[16:26] <om26er> andyrock, now its not wanted it seems
[16:26] <om26er> current behavior is really annoying
[16:26] <andyrock> om26er, i know
[16:27] <andyrock> assigned to me...
[16:28] <andyrock> i should work to an huge branch for device
[16:28] <andyrock> bug i should go now
[16:28] <om26er> andyrock, super
[16:28] <om26er> andyrock, the devices branch would probably be for LTS ?
[16:30] <Trevinho> JohnLea: I asked that since talking with njpatel he told me that it actually was a non-bug (that's why I didn't fix it before)... So I'd need to know how to consider that...
[16:32] <om26er> i dont remember using alt+f, e etc for in window menus, what happened when you pressed the letter again, for example alt+f to open the menu and pressing alt+f again, did it close the menu or nothing happen?
[16:32] <didrocks> andyrock: it is wanted
[16:32] <didrocks> om26er: ^
[16:32] <didrocks> took a lot of time to get there
[16:33] <didrocks> and it seems the behavior regressed even :/
[16:33] <om26er> didrocks, yes i added my findings to the bug report.
[16:34] <didrocks> om26er: basically, the original behavior was:
[16:34] <didrocks> om26er: put the mouse cursor in the launcher area (launcher hidden)
[16:34] <didrocks> press super to show the launcher
[16:34] <didrocks> release, the launcher should disappear
[16:35] <didrocks> if after you press super, you moved the cursor, the launcher shouldn't disappear
[16:35] <didrocks> then another use case
[16:35] <didrocks> if you press on an launcher icon, and don't move the mouse, the launcher should disappear
[16:36] <didrocks> but if you press, and in a 1s timeout, you move the mouse, the launcher shouldn't disappear
[16:36] <didrocks> (this is with a window under the launcher of course)
[16:36] <didrocks> om26er: makes sense? ^
[16:36] <didrocks> the 1st behavior regressed, I guess it's because of nux events
[16:36] <om26er> "if you press on an launcher icon, and don't move the mouse, the launcher should disappear" this is problematic for me :/
[16:37] <Cimi_> Trevinho: I would abstract your code a little bit more
[16:37] <Cimi_> Trevinho: I would create a basic animation class
[16:38] <om26er> didrocks, it was better in 11.04 for sure (but not ideal for me still)
[16:38] <Cimi_> Trevinho: that class will load callback functions on each frame, and will automatically skip frames if needed
[16:38] <Cimi_> Trevinho: I'm doing that for overlay scrollbars, for example
[16:38] <didrocks> om26er: this was like that in 11.04
[16:39] <Cimi_> Trevinho: I think it makes more sense than creating a class for Fade, a class for ... etc etc
[16:39] <didrocks> om26er: oh, and I forgot one case, if you press an icon, move the cursor outside of the launcher, there is no 1s timeout
[16:39] <om26er> didrocks, i'll email your messages to andyrock so that he is also aware of the desired behavior
[16:39] <om26er> didrocks, this last case seems not to be an issue in Oneiric
[16:40] <Cimi_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ayatana-scrollbar-team/ayatana-scrollbar/trunk/view/head:/os/os-animation.c Trevinho
[16:40] <Cimi_> let me know what do you think
[16:40] <didrocks> om26er: so the only broken case from the desired behavior right now is "mouse in the launcher area with launcher hidden, press super, don't move -> should hide"
[16:40] <didrocks> om26er: thanks:)
[16:40] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, only the 1st one is broken
[16:40] <om26er> didrocks, yw :)
[16:41] <didrocks> I really bet it's nux sending a "widget enter" events when the launcher move
[16:41] <om26er> and webapps dont seem fixed to me with latest bamf, i might be doing something wrong :/
[16:42] <didrocks> om26er: only with chrome
[16:42] <didrocks> om26er: I mentionned it on the bug :)
[16:42] <om26er> didrocks, and not chromium?
[16:42] <didrocks> nope :/
[16:42] <om26er> didnt see your comment
[16:42] <didrocks> om26er: DBO will work on a patch
[16:42]  * om26er downloads chrome :D
[16:43] <Trevinho> Thanks Cimi... I was thinking that too
[16:43] <didrocks> om26er: I wasn't that extreme to check it works, I believed DBO when we discussed it and I discovered it didn't work with chromium ;)
[16:43] <Trevinho> however since my code was just a draft I didn't worked too much on the design
[16:43] <Cimi> Trevinho: basically, you could translate that class into C++
[16:43] <om26er> didrocks, i'll test as it installs ;-)
[16:44] <Cimi> Trevinho: then if you want, you could create a fadecontroller which uses the animation class and only works with opacity
[16:44] <Trevinho> Also I guess I'm moving back to g_timeout, since the nux timer seems too lazy
[16:44] <didrocks> om26er: if it doesn't work, blame him! :-)
[16:44] <Trevinho> Ok, thanks Cimi.
[16:44] <om26er> didrocks, will ;)
[16:44] <Cimi> Trevinho: I don't know how to work well with C++, you're much better than me. Albeit that animation class is pretty solid
[16:45] <Cimi> Trevinho: if you remove the objects or so, animation stops without segfaulting
[16:45] <Cimi> I'm pretty happy for that piece of code
[16:45] <Cimi> small, light and functional
[16:45] <Trevinho> ah, nice :)
[16:45] <Trevinho> I also handled that in a raw way, but it should work
[16:46] <Trevinho> However maybe an an animation class which calls an animator object with a special method for doing the requested animation should work I guess
[16:47] <Trevinho> but before writing nice APIs I've to make it work as I want :P
[16:47] <Trevinho> also C++ is not my favorite place to write, but that we must use :P
[16:48] <Cimi> 1 class to deal with timings and objects, if you want 1 class for basic and shared animations
[16:48] <Trevinho> Ok... Howver I didn't implemented that until now
[16:49] <Cimi> I know, I just want to optimize your code :-)
[16:49] <Trevinho> since jay told me he would have handled this better in nux in future
[16:49] <Cimi> definitely
[16:49] <Trevinho> yes, thanks Cimi
[16:49] <Cimi> dealing with animations in this way is pretty hackis
[16:49] <Cimi> and it's not so perfectly synced
[16:49] <Cimi> because it goes through gtk main thread
[16:50] <Trevinho> Eh, that's our problem
[16:50] <Cimi> well, glib not gtk
[16:50] <Cimi> maybe it0s better
[16:50] <Trevinho> yes, of course
[16:51] <Cimi> definitely something it's better to discuss at the UDS :-)
[16:51] <Cimi> especially as we need to plan Nux 2.0
[16:51] <Trevinho> yes, I just talked a little with Jay about this
[16:51] <Cimi> cool
[16:52] <Trevinho> However he told me that with the current Nux I have to make redraw my widget at every change in the way I've done I guess
[16:53] <Trevinho> Cimi: about the other thing (i.e. the white icons)... Do you have any idea in how we could  improve them?
[16:53] <Trevinho> The fact is that we should both manage dark and white icons with the same mask
[16:54] <Cimi> Trevinho: i'd like to see your code
[16:54] <Cimi> Trevinho: how did you make it to have it correctly rendered for the kbd icon?
[16:54] <Trevinho> Cimi: my code doesn't work correctly for themes with dark icons...
[16:54] <Cimi> oh ok...
[16:54] <Trevinho> But in that case I just applied a white mask over the icons
[16:55] <Cimi> right, got the point
[16:55] <Trevinho> using the ADD method of Nux
[16:55] <Trevinho> PLUS, sorry
[16:55] <Trevinho> however it's a GL_ONE, GL_ONE mask
[16:55] <Cimi> maybe we can do that with cairo, let me see
[16:55] <Trevinho> so I jept cairo out
[16:55] <Trevinho> kept*
[16:55] <Trevinho> yes, I guess... but I used nux to avoid to redraw the pixmap at all
[16:56] <Trevinho> we just use a mask over with nux
[16:56] <Trevinho> by the way the main issue is that if we can't catch the dominant color of an icon, we can't apply the right mask
[16:58] <Trevinho> I didn't look to this too much, since I had no time, but I guess that if we can know what kind of icon we have, then we can apply the right mask...
[16:58] <Cimi> maybe CAIRO_OPERATOR_IN
[16:58] <Trevinho> Just wondering by the way, I'm not that experienced with cairo...
[16:58] <Cimi> mmm
[16:58] <Cimi> well, I think I'm wrong
[16:58] <Trevinho> I checked, but in the current code changing just an operator is not enugh
[16:59] <Cimi> the issue is that the icon has dark points, and not points with alpha = 0
[16:59] <Cimi> so, it's a bit harder
[16:59] <Trevinho> Ok... I got a solution: ask designers to draw a mono icon :P
[16:59] <htorque> probably also difficult with the always changing multiload indicator icons?
[17:00] <Trevinho> since we ship that by default, I guess it should be handled correctly
[17:00] <Trevinho> however Cimi another issue that I underlined in my yesterday's screenshot is that you can't draw an "active" icon... Like the blue envelope at the current state
[17:01] <Cimi> yep
[17:05] <om26er> make does not work using trunk http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/695198/
[17:05] <om26er> is it complaining for nux trunk?
[17:08] <Trevinho> so it seems
[17:10] <didrocks> yeah, it needs latest nux trunk
[17:10] <didrocks> but it can run with older nux
[17:25] <Trevinho> Cimi: I've read your lib, it's nice
[17:26] <Trevinho> I guess I could do the same... Also, not to create abstract objects or depending on  function pointers I guess I could use simply signals
[17:26] <Trevinho> thank you
[17:30] <Trevinho> Cimi: another thing you could add to the anumation is to make it animate until it reaches a defined peek... Like AnimateUtil.... Of course it could be done also using the cb function and checking for the current value, but managin it in the class would make it better I guess.
[17:32] <Cimi> Trevinho: there's no need to a threshold
[17:33] <Cimi> Trevinho: you have a float from 0 to 1
[17:33] <Cimi> you can now play with it and set your own logic
[17:34] <Cimi> it's not like you say "this animation does from 0 to 0.5", it's exactly as saying from 0 to 1 with a different timing
[17:34] <Trevinho> Yes, of course... I was just saying this from an API design point of view
[17:34] <Cimi> in what my library could be improved is adding apis to control parameters, but I added just what I needed
[17:34] <Trevinho> Ok
[17:34] <Trevinho> I also would need to set a starting point....
[17:35] <Trevinho> also if.. I guess that I can manage that also on the callback
[17:35] <Cimi> especially from the API point of view you should *not* add uneeded APIs, and changing the threshold looks line something unneeded, as you can do the same in the callback functio
[17:35] <Cimi> exactly
[17:36] <Cimi> animation is simply an abstract class that calls a function periodically, given a RATE, for a defined TIME, and calls the function with a float from 0 to 1
[17:37] <Cimi> in the callback function you deal with the real stuff, leaving the animation class agnostic
[17:38] <Trevinho> Cimi: basically nux::TimerFuctor AddPeriodicTimerHandler would do the same... But I don't know why it's slower
[17:38] <Cimi> Trevinho: maybe it doesn't skip frames?
[17:38] <Trevinho> I guess it's bugged, but I didn't check the code
[17:38] <Cimi> ok
[17:38] <Trevinho> Mh, no... It seems that calls the cb too late
[18:45] <andyrock> om26er, around?
[20:29] <Trevinho> Cimi I've done my new implementation and works well ;)
[20:29] <Cimi> cool
[20:29] <Trevinho> I basically ported your lib, but using some slight differencies
[20:29] <Trevinho> for example, now i can set the starting point of an animation
[20:30] <Trevinho> to continue an animation interrupted in at a given point
[20:30] <Cimi> Trevinho: you can do the same with my code
[20:31] <Cimi> Trevinho: it's something you can handle in the callback function
[20:31] <Trevinho> Cimi: I know that...
[20:31] <Trevinho> but I want control it when starting too
[20:31] <Cimi> I think that starting an animation from a middle point does not make any sense
[20:32] <Cimi> it's like scaling an animation
[20:32] <Trevinho> Cimi it happens... Think... I'm fading out, then I need to re-fade it in....
[20:32] <Cimi> what do you want it to decrease the length for example
[20:32] <Trevinho> I must start from the previous alpha value
[20:32] <Cimi> Trevinho: doing the same in overlay scrollbars
[20:32] <Cimi> Trevinho: when you hover them in an inactive window
[20:33] <Cimi> they are grey -> orange -> grey
[20:33] <Trevinho> Cimi: decreasing the lenght is duable, but I need more computations that my animator can do
[20:33] <Cimi> try it
[20:33] <Trevinho> however wait... I push the code in bzr
[20:37] <Cimi> I need to think a little bit more about that
[20:37] <Cimi> cause you can always store the weight float from the previous animation, before starting the new one
[20:37] <Cimi> so, maybe you're right
[20:38] <Cimi> or maybe you can do the same with the callback function
[20:38] <Cimi> in any case, I don't know if it worth starting an animation from a middle point
[20:39] <Cimi> what happens to timing? imagine you set 1 second from 0 to 1, if you start from 0.5 will it take 1 second to reach 1? or 0.5?
[20:40] <Cimi> in theory I think the animation code should be agnostic
[20:40] <Cimi> and the fade callback function should handle this thing
[20:53] <Trevinho> Cimi: well... The fact is, as you say, the callback should then store the starting value and use it to check the new value at every callback.
[20:53] <Trevinho> But I'd prefer  it to do on the base class.
[20:54] <donri> hi, can i get back non-global menubar somehow?
[20:55] <Cimi> Trevinho: the base class is less abstract, then
[20:55] <donri> i recall there was some envvar during early devel?
[20:55] <Cimi> Trevinho: that's why I think it's better to keep it in the callback
[20:55] <Cimi> Trevinho: otherwise you need to store it everytime, even when it's not needed
[20:55] <Cimi> Trevinho: so, it's even less optimal
[20:56] <Cimi> donri: export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0
[20:57] <Trevinho> I know, but I've to do compromises :)
[20:57] <Cimi> anyway, let me see the code
[20:57] <Cimi> maybe it's nicer as you say
[20:58] <donri> thanks
[21:05] <Trevinho> Cimi: lp:~3v1n0/unity/fading-panelmenu
[21:06] <Trevinho> the code in the panel should be better, but this was just my first draft
[21:11] <Cimi> Trevinho: you're not checking for current running animations when setting rate and duration. I'm not sure wheter they should be stopped or if it's in charge of who calls those functions to stop the animation before
[21:13] <Trevinho> Cimi: you're right...
[21:13] <Cimi> Trevinho: hold on, I'm not sure
[21:13] <Trevinho> Since I wasn't using them, I just focused me on the rest and I just left there the default implementation
[21:13] <Cimi> Trevinho: I mean, could it be possible that someone wants to reduce the duration?
[21:13] <Cimi> in realtime?
[21:14] <Cimi> but then, if someone wants that, it will screw the weight
[21:14] <Trevinho> Mh, It could be possible... but also stopping the animation and restarting it with different values
[21:14] <Cimi> as the time diff will immediately change
[21:14] <Cimi> so, I'm tempted to say let's stop it
[21:14] <Trevinho> I don't remember if you were stopping them
[21:16] <Cimi> from coding style, I'd use MAX/MIN in Start()
[21:16] <Cimi> instead if progress < 0 -> progress = 0
[21:16] <Cimi> progress = MAX (0, progress)
[21:17] <Cimi> or CLAMP if you want to clamp it
[21:17] <Trevinho> Well, yes but since it's a C-ism.... I was avoidng it
[21:17] <Cimi> OH OK
[21:17] <Cimi> I am a c++ newbie
[21:17] <Trevinho> but the unity code is not completely clean
[21:17] <Trevinho> we mix everything there
[21:18] <Trevinho> Surely it's not everywhere beautiful to read, but it works :P
[21:18] <andyrock> Cimi, we know you're a c++ newbie and a python lover ;)
[21:18] <andyrock> ahahah
[21:18]  * Cimi hits andyrock
[21:19] <Cimi> Trevinho: I still think the idea of starting an animation in the middle is a bit weird :-\
[21:19] <Trevinho> About the fading timings...  I currently set...
[21:19] <Trevinho> _fade_in_animator = new Animator(200, 150);
[21:19] <Trevinho>  _fade_out_animator = new Animator(200, 400);
[21:19] <Trevinho> But maybe a change every 5ms is too high for fast animations? isn't it?
[21:20] <Cimi> 200??? °_°
[21:20] <Cimi> 30 FPS is fine man
[21:21] <Cimi> don't kill our CPUs :-)
[21:21] <Trevinho> Ohhh ok :)
[21:21] <Trevinho> I want smooth things! :D
[21:21] <Cimi> Trevinho: your monitor refreshes at 60 FPS
[21:21] <Cimi> Trevinho: 200 are useless
[21:30] <Trevinho> ok, you're right :D
[21:30] <Trevinho> Cimi: in the bug related to the fading menu entries, Mark said that the wanted design behavior is to show the menus the more you are near to the panel...
[21:31] <Trevinho> Is this still valid?
[21:31] <Cimi> I can ask him
[21:31] <Cimi> he's online
[21:31] <Cimi> Trevinho: link to bug report?
[21:31] <Trevinho> Cause I think that is doable right now...
[21:31] <Trevinho> wait
[21:32] <Trevinho> Cimi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/691776
[21:34] <Cimi> Trevinho: do you have an input window near it?
[21:36] <Trevinho> Cimi: I don't but, I guess that compiz gives us the mouse position... I've to check... Anyway also maybe slower but working gdk event filter would do the job
[21:36] <Cimi> Trevinho: I know, but i'd like to avoid that
[21:37] <Cimi> Trevinho: i'm not keen on tracking mouse position
[21:39] <Trevinho> Mh, well... We don't have many other possibilities I guess. An event window that doesn't grab anything should be fine, by the way
[21:45] <Cimi> Trevinho: let's ignore it for the moment
[21:45] <Cimi> Trevinho: I'all afk a bit, quite tired...
[21:46] <Trevinho> Ok... Thank you Cimi... See ya
[21:46] <Cimi> yup ;)
[22:10] <andyrock> DBO the indicator menus should be shown at f10 pressed or f10 released?
[22:10] <DBO> released
[22:11] <Lirodon> Hello
[22:12] <andyrock> DBO, can i ask you why? :) I'm curious for no other
[22:12] <andyrock> Lirodon, hi
[22:12] <DBO> andyrock, so if you uhhhh no idea
[22:13] <andyrock> DBO btw if i keep the f10 key pressed weird things happen...
[22:13] <DBO> yeah thats weird
[22:13] <andyrock> let me give a look to it
[22:14] <Lirodon> I'm trying to get some traction going on a GRUB redesign
[22:14] <DBO> its cycling
[22:14] <DBO> its the same thing as holding aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:14] <DBO> like that
[22:14] <DBO> so its just getting fuckloads of "show" calls
[22:15] <Lirodon> http://i.imgur.com/TgxQv.png i.e. this.
[22:18] <Lirodon> I was told this would be possible in GRUB2
[22:24] <andyrock> Lirodon, maybe this is not the right place to speak about this
[22:24] <Lirodon> andyrock, Isn't Ayatana related to design?
[22:24] <Lirodon> or is that just the desktop design?
[22:25] <Lirodon> Cause well, #ubuntu-artwork is inactive, and someone in #ubuntu-devel suggested I try here (even though I personally think that something like this would be a cross between artwork and devel)
[22:25] <andyrock> Lirodon, i think it is just dekstop design...
[22:26] <Lirodon> Though, since your work has helped "define" the current look of Ubuntu as a whole, getting input from here can be valuable too
[22:35] <Viper550> I'm gonna try and see if I can start making that for real, I'm downloading the 11.10 beta now


[02:40] <studio-user935> Hi
[02:40] <studio-user935> The ubuntu server chat banned me thinking I was another
[03:28] <studio-user935> hi
[05:24] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> howdy
[05:24] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> why does my chrome window, on a fresh updated install break when transferring to an external monitor?+
[05:33] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> every time I move google chrome from one monitor to my external monitor, it breaks
[08:16] <pradeep> hello people. I replaced windows 10 with lubuntu last night on my laptop
[08:16] <pradeep> and everything is hunky dory
[08:16] <pradeep> except....my wifi is deadly slow
[08:17] <pradeep> while ethernet is working fin
[08:17] <pradeep> any help? thaks
[09:11] <hateball> oops
[09:11] <hateball> people have such little patience
[09:11] <hateball> it is IRC after all


[02:05] <Fudge> Do I have to wait for packages to build in a ppa before copying them to another?
[02:13] <wgrant> Fudge: You can copy before they're done, but then it'll just rebuild them separately in the target, so it's usually not what you want to do
[02:15] <Fudge> wgrant  thank you mate
[03:27] <Fudge> thanks
[08:15] <sunweaver> all: I have tried to upload a src:package to ~x2go/ppa/ubuntu (ppa:x2go/ppa) using dput with sftp method. However, there is neither a mail notification nor does the package appear in the PPA's package list
[08:16] <sunweaver> source package means: dput ppa-x2go-nightly cdbs_0.4.90~ppa1~lucid1_source.changes
[08:16] <sunweaver> or do I have to dput the _amd.changes file after a full package build?
[08:17] <sunweaver> my login on launchpad is m-gabriel, maybe anyone can give feedback(?)
[08:23] <hychen> sunweaver, is your gpg expired?
[08:28] <sunweaver> hynchen: ähhh actually, I have uploaded a GPG key now. With SFTP method GPG is also required?
[08:29] <sunweaver> would be good to get a message about such a failure...
[08:29] <sunweaver> I will try again with GPG key on Launchpad now.
[08:29] <sunweaver> I never used direct uploads to the ppa so far, always via git2bzr imports...
[08:30] <sunweaver> hychen: _source.changes should work, though, shouldn't they?
[08:31] <hychen> sunweaver, the source.changes needs to be signed by valid GPG key.
[08:32] <hychen> sunweaver, I had an issue that there is no notification mail after package upload when my gpg key is expired.
[08:32] <hychen> sunweaver, so , this is just my guess.
[08:33] <hychen> sunweaver, you need to wait a while after upload GPG key.
[08:34] <sunweaver> hychen... ok, thanks. I will test upload a little later again, if the upload fails again this time (just dput again)
[08:46] <sunweaver> hychen: upload now worked, thanks!
[08:47] <hychen> sunweaver, np


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[00:17] <ojwb> i don't know if it's my eyesight, my editor colour scheme, or the screen on this laptop or what, but I no longer find pale text on black more readable
[00:17] <ojwb> not sure I can cope with the mental flip of having my editor the other way though
[00:24] <chilts> it's funny, my terminals are white text on black, my editor is black text on white
[00:24] <chilts> dunno why I did that
[00:30] <mwhudson> chilts: i'm the same
[00:32] <chilts> I don't think I ever got around to changing the emacs colour scheme ... I did everything else but the colours :)
[02:44] <chilts> yay, it's almost HOMETIME! :D
[02:44] <ajmitch> ITYM beer o'clock?
[02:44] <Atamira> wheeee
[02:45]  * chilts isn't at Catalyst anymore
[02:45] <chilts> but I'm sure the others in here can confirm it's still happening
[02:45] <ajmitch> it's a universal thing, not just catalyst :)
[02:45] <chilts> hmm, I guess beer o'clock isn't a Catalyst exclusive ... is it all around New Zealand?
[02:45] <chilts> ahah!
[02:46] <ajmitch> not just new zealand
[02:46] <chilts> in the UK, we didn't have a beer o'clock, it was just "piss off down the pub" kinda thing :)
[02:47] <Atamira> or happy hour
[02:48] <Atamira> even if it wasnt happy hour
[02:48] <chilts> heh
[02:49] <mwhudson> first oneiric fun: offlineimap deleted all mail it had delivered since september 1
[02:49] <ajmitch> oops?
[02:50] <mwhudson> yeah
[02:50] <chilts> that's pretty bad
[18:41] <chilts> morning
[21:33] <ojwb> morning


[07:30] <bradm> what am I doing wrong here?  I've submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~brad-marshall/charms/trusty/nagios/add-livestatus-support/+merge/257992 over an hour ago, but its not showing up on http://charmproof.com/.
[08:42] <aisrael> bradm: It may just be an ingestion delay. marcoceppi_ can give it a kick
[18:24] <redelmann> Hi, where i can found more info about "juju user"?.
[22:45] <bilalbaqar> How can I set a tag on a node with multiple nics in maas?
[22:49] <bilalbaqar> Any one there?


[01:01] <AlbertA> kgunn: wiki looks good
[01:01] <kgunn> thank you sir
[01:02] <kgunn> btw, new qtubuntu in packages
[01:52] <kgunn> AlbertA: you still on? do you kow if you can get screen shots on unity8 desktop preview ?...or do we still have the mesa bug ?
[01:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: like with mirscreencast you mean or something else?
[01:54] <kgunn> AlbertA: yeah screencast
[01:55] <kgunn> olli: ^
[01:55] <AlbertA> kgunn: I wasn't aware of a mesa bug. but screenshots should work let me check on the demo server
[01:56] <olli> how exactly do i do that
[01:56]  * olli has to bath the baby
[01:56] <kgunn> AlbertA: you gotta pass in flags right ? ...or you can enable on the fly
[01:56] <kgunn> ?
[01:56] <olli> bbiab
[01:56] <kgunn> seems olli you'll likely have to hack the scripts somewhere to pass flags in to enable screenshotting
[01:58] <AlbertA> kgunn: yeah it's a command line utility
[01:58] <kgunn> hmmm....we almost need a "special" usc to just do this when we need to...
[01:59] <AlbertA> you should be able to do
[02:00] <AlbertA> mirscreencast -m /tmp/mir_socket
[02:01] <AlbertA> if you do mirscreencast -m /tmp/mir_socket --query it tells you where the file name will be and where it will end up
[02:01] <AlbertA> so for a screenshot in my laptop I did
[02:02] <AlbertA> mirscreencast -m /tmp/mir_socket -n 1
[02:03] <AlbertA> kgunn: and then you can use convert -depth 8 -size 1920x1080 /tmp/mir_screencast_1920x1080_60Hz.bgra screenshot.png
[02:04] <kgunn> AlbertA: mmm....so, mirscreencast is really just like a client app ?? so olli can just glom on to the existing usc server started by the unity8 session ??
[02:05] <kgunn> duflu: you better ?
[02:05] <AlbertA> kgunn: yeah I think the default authorization to allow screenshoting
[02:10] <kgunn> ok...i better bail, wife kinda irritated
[02:34] <olli> AlbertA, thx
[02:34] <olli> I'll give it a shot
[08:44] <alf_> duflu: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/no-savings/+merge/216084/comments/513688
[08:45] <duflu> alf_: OK. Unfortunately there's not long left in the week. I suspect we might have triggered an odd multi-monitor frame sync bug because I believe the change is theoretically correct
[08:45] <duflu> I might try a couple of machines and see if I can find one which exhibits the issue.
[08:45] <duflu> alf_: What GPU?
[08:46] <duflu> number of monitors?
[08:46] <alf_> duflu: i965, built-in laptop monitor
[08:47] <duflu> alf_: Hmm. Then again Intel is showing obvious vsync regressions at times. Wonder if that's related
[08:47] <duflu> ... seems to have come with the new kernel in trusty
[08:47] <duflu> alf_: No (idle) monitor attached?
[08:51] <alf_> duflu: with either only the built-in monitor or a monitor attached with sidebyside configuration I get the speed-up. However with monitor attached and clone configuration I don't.
[08:53] <duflu> alf_: OK, obviously something somewhere is violating the basic rule of getting a new buffer only when buffer(id) is called with a previously seen id
[08:53] <duflu> ... the buffer consuming stuff should behave just like another monitor
[08:55] <alf_> duflu: at some point something happens and things get locked for a bit in [BufferConsuming] compositor_acquire enter: (0x7f1cd80025e8,nfree=0,nclients=0,nready=3,ncompositors=0)
[08:56] <alf_> [BufferConsuming] same_frame: 1 can_recycle: 0
[08:56] <alf_> duflu: and the same for [Compositing]
[08:56] <duflu> alf_: Sounds like a deep problem I won't fit into my head today, or this week
[08:57] <duflu> On the plus side, there is some serious sleep on the horizon
[08:58] <alf_> duflu: enjoy :)
[09:28] <duflu> Oh, umm, happy LTS release day
[09:28] <duflu> The web site's not showing it published yet though
[11:25] <greyback> kgunn: hey, for bug 1308735, at step 2, does the video play continually in the background? For me it stops after ~3 seconds, which is as I'd expect as it is SIGSTOPped
[11:28] <greyback> kgunn: never mind, I misread your description
[14:46] <dandrader> anpok,  any estimate on when you will have the needed input branches ready?
[14:46] <anpok> hmm probably not today..
[14:46] <anpok> i think it will come with an easter egg?
[14:49] <anpok> so the new send part is now as far as the other MP
[14:49] <anpok> just right now adding the result handling
[14:52] <anpok> dandrader: interface is more or less ready - i can update the WIP branch
[14:52] <anpok> and you could start using it..
[14:53] <dandrader> anpok, awesome
[14:54] <josharenson> kgunn: How important is it that we run glmark w/ and w/o bypass?
[14:54] <josharenson> kgunn: because if I remove that part, it would be nice to get the code merged and start working on the reporting tool (which robot fuel has provided me with info for)
[14:58] <kgunn> josharenson: totallly want to get the ci part done....then we can fart around with variants
[14:59] <kgunn> +1 on your thinking
[14:59] <josharenson> kgunn: ok, its close
[15:23] <kdub> alan_g, when your'e done with the discussion, could you weigh in on https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/platform-specific-bypass-option/+merge/214816 again?
[15:24] <kdub> some back-and-forth over enum class vs bool
[15:33]  * alan_g sighs
[15:33] <kdub> sorry :)
[16:57] <josharenson> kgunn: any value in writing a helper class for performance tests that can add PPAs and install packages? It seems that installing glmark2 during the test is the best way to go about things...
[18:38] <kgunn> josharenson: that seems valuable to me
[18:39] <kgunn> josharenson: also, to be sure, you're not turning on preformance tests/glmark2 by default as part of the build process ? (e.g. jenkins job runs it just like android integration tests...only for hw)
[18:40] <kgunn> camako: thank you for the list
[18:41] <camako> kgunn: Sure.. A bit raw but a start
[18:52] <josharenson> kgunn: ack
[18:53] <kgunn> AlbertA: did a test get added for stale socket removal ? panic the driver, orphan the socket and ensure it gets cleaned
[18:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: yeah
[18:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: probs with it?
[18:54] <kgunn> excellent
[18:54] <kgunn> nope just wanted to make sure
[18:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: oh you scared me there for a moment
[18:54] <AlbertA> kgunn: :)
[19:49] <ahayzen> kgunn, Hi I'm one of the music-app devs, FYI i've just tried your NonBlockingSwapTesting and after some quick testing it appears to have resolved our issues. I'll continue testing over the next few days and report any issues I find. Thanks for all the hard work your team has put into this.
[19:51] <kgunn> ahayzen: thanks for testing!
[19:51] <ahayzen> kgunn, no problem


[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #145055 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Group descriptions missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145055
[03:18] <kyleN> Hi, is there anyone here who is knowledgeable about the underlying software used on Ubuntu for Help: Yelp, scrollkeeper, etc?
[03:20] <kyleN> I am thinking about Help requirements for Ubuntu Mobile and would like to chat a bit with anyone who knows something about how Ubuntu Gutsy help software works
[03:21] <jjesse> kyleN: i think mdke knows the most, but he is on vacation this week
[03:21] <kyleN> jjesse, thanks. Is that Matthew East?
[03:22] <jjesse> kyleN: yeah that is
[03:22] <kyleN> Is there anyone else you know of that I could ping?
[03:22] <jjesse> kyleN: nixternal might also be able to help out?
[03:22] <kyleN> nixternal, are you here?
[03:23] <kyleN> Thanks again jjesse. Do you happen to know what happens under the covers?
[03:24] <jjesse> kyleN: if i recall correctly yelp converts the xml on the fly to html?  but not qwuite sure
[03:24] <kyleN> Yes, that is so. I do know that Yelp takes docbook xml and converts is with xslt into html for display
[03:25] <kyleN> One question I have in that area is how does Yelp know which xslt stylesheet to use for conversion?
[03:25] <jjesse> unfortnately i know very little about yelp, i do a lot w/ kubuntu docs which uses KHelpCenter
[03:25] <kyleN> Does KHelpCenter support context sensitive help?
[03:26] <jjesse> nixterna1_: PING
[03:26] <kyleN> hello nixternal, may I ask you a couple questions?
[03:26] <kyleN> jjesse, do you know whether KHelpCenter provides context sensitive help?
[03:26] <jjesse> i think it does
[03:28] <kyleN> jjesse, could you please (I hate to ask) check? Yelp does not, and that's a real problem. I'll owe you one!
[03:28] <jjesse> kyleN: yeah i can check, migth be a bit as i'm at work right now :)
[03:28] <kyleN> can you email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I would really appreciate it
[03:28] <jjesse> sure will do
[03:29] <kyleN> nixternal does not seem to be solidly here ;)
[03:29] <jjesse> yeah, but i'll follow up w/ him and verify
[03:29] <jjesse> made a note to email you
[03:29] <kyleN> thx a lot
[03:29] <jjesse> np
[03:30] <kyleN> there are quite a few pieces to the help system on ubuntu, including:
[03:30] <kyleN> scrollkeeper to maintain a list of currently installed docs
[03:30] <kyleN> yelp to display the docs
[03:31] <kyleN> translation, i18n
[03:31] <kyleN> etc.
[03:31] <kyleN> nixternal, are you here?
[03:35] <jjesse> nixternal: you around or still having internet connection issues?
[03:35] <kyleN> jjesse, are kbuntu docs written in docbook?
[03:35] <jjesse> kyleN: yes, we use the same toolchain as ubuntu-docs
[03:35] <jjesse> so we write in docbook and the build into html
[03:35] <jjesse> and apply the stylesheet there
[03:36] <kyleN> do you create the html at build time or is it done on the fly at runtime?
[03:36] <jjesse> at build time
[03:36] <kyleN> that makes sense, much faster for the user
[03:36] <jjesse> khelpcenter can't or doesn't build on the fly
[03:36] <kyleN> I see
[03:37] <kyleN> I think ubuntu transforms docbook to html on the fly. Does anyone know why this was the approach taken with Ubuntu?
[03:37] <jjesse> as far as i know that is how yelp works?
[03:38] <kyleN> I think Yelp could display html without doing the transform... I'll check on that
[03:38] <jjesse> kyleN: i feel bad that i can't you better
[03:39] <kyleN> That's OK - I appreciate the help you are giving. With respect to Ubuntu mobile, the lack of context sensitive help from Yelp makes it a bad choice because the target audience is the "soccer mom/dad"
[03:39] <kyleN> who doesn't want to read a book, just get help when they need it
[03:39] <jjesse> totally agreed
[03:40] <kyleN> So if KHelpCenter could do that, it would be the better choice, I think
[03:41] <jjesse> i wonder if there would then be too many dependices by adding khelpcenter?
[03:42] <kyleN> You mean too many other packages it requires?
[03:42] <jjesse> yeah thats what i meant
[03:42] <kyleN> is khelpcenter somehow linked in many ways to the kde desktop, so it couldn't be used in a different context?
[03:43] <kyleN> Ubuntu mobile is not a KDE desktop, so maybe it's not even a possible choice...
[03:44] <kyleN> jjesse, when you say you use the same toolchain, could you expand a bit on what you mean by that?
[03:45] <jjesse> well we create the docs w/ docbook, use the same subversion repository, use the same validation tools and use the same tools to create the .pot files
[03:45] <kyleN> I see
[03:45] <kyleN> perhaps you can help me understand the .pot files.
[03:45] <jjesse> i can try
[03:45] <kyleN> I imagine when the doc is finished, you run a tool and it outputs the .pot file
[03:45] <jjesse> the .pot files are what are uploaded to rossetta to get translated
[03:46] <kyleN> this is somehoe loaded to rosetta
[03:46] <kyleN> do you know how the .pot file is created?
[03:47] <kyleN> and is the .pot file what is sometimes called the "template"?
[03:47] <jjesse> as far as i know that is correct the .pot file is the template
[03:47] <kyleN> in a running system, one has .po files, I guess
[03:47] <kyleN> these are the translations
[03:48] <jjesse> i assume that is correct
[03:49] <kyleN> I think I came across a script somewhere once that creates the .pot file. Maybe it was called "translate.sh". I am goinig to search for that now
[03:52] <kyleN> yes, it is in ubuntu_docs/trunk/ubuntu
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #145375 in ubuntu-docs (main) "The requested page was not found in the document /usr/share/gnome/help/gnome-doc-make/C/gnome-doc-make.xml." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145375


[21:04] <tzio> hi, there is a bug with the installer on 24.04 beta, when using luks encrypted /home partition i believe
[21:16] <tzio> i did also try to navigate from dolphin to the partition, entering the password so the system can read it before running the installer but still failed


[10:26] <nwoki> hi guys, i'm having a problem with the terminal encoding
[10:26] <nwoki> I want the terminal to be with the "C" encoding but I can't manage to obtain this
[10:26] <nwoki> any ideas?
[14:15] <TheLordOfTime> nwoki, ask in #ubuntu
[19:47] <danieltlx> Hello, I'm trying to install phantom.js on remote ubuntu 10.04 x64 server. I'm accessing it using gitbash from my pc. I did download the .bz2 file, using "wget". how do I install it now? what should be done? do I need to "run" it ? thanks.


[22:33] <MadsRH> Is it deliberately that the pictures has no shadow on the new feature tour? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/910features/
[23:45] <newz2000> Yes, it is deliberate


[00:24] <len> ScottL: In fact I would say that dvdstyler seems to do for video dvds what gcdmaster does for audio
[01:16] <TheMuso> abogani: Now that linux-lowlatency is in Ubuntu, 500MB will not need to be uploaded every time, as all the Ubuntu/low latency package changes go in teh .diff.gz. However, using symlinks in the way you have between config files prevents the proper packaging of the linux-lowlatency source into the .orig.tar file and the .diff.gz.
[01:16] <TheMuso> abogani: The changes I and TIm made do not increase the maintenance burdon, or at least I don't think so.
[01:17] <TheMuso> abogani: We don't need d-i modules, because even if UbuntuStudio was built as an install disk only, which it no longer is, the generic kernel is used for all install CD images.
[06:02] <Len-1204> ScottL and whoever else is interested. Re. panels.
[06:02] <Len-1204> I don't know how much time it is wroth spending working on panels.
[06:04] <Len-1204> A panel will not get imported to a user's session if they install a meta that calls for one, nor will one they have be altered.
[06:06] <Len-1204> this is good... but bad too. Once the user logs into their session the first time the panel is created and kept in their own directory. Even the *.desktop files are copied into their home directory. So any changes made to the master file that describes the panel will have no effect.
[06:08] <Len-1204> this means that we get one chance to get it right... and only if they are doing a fresh install. Unless we want to set up a script that goes from home directory to directory making changes.
[06:08] <Len-1204> Not a good idea.
[06:09] <ailo> User settings should never be overwritten
[06:09] <ailo> So, if they exist, they should be untouched
[06:09] <Len-1204> Just what I am saying.
[06:09] <ailo> Some things can get a little screwed up I think
[06:10] <Len-1204> We can make the main menu make sense, but doing anything special with the panel won't work well.
[06:10] <ailo> Like when you install xfce on top of a regular Ubuntu install
[06:10] <Len-1204> That too.
[06:10] <ailo> The menu is probably the most important, right?
[06:10] <Len-1204> I think so.
[06:11] <ailo> When you install xfce on top of an existing Unity, you might get new default programs for file-managing, system monitor, and so on
[06:11] <Len-1204> Scott was talking about using the panel for putting workflow menus in.
[06:11] <Len-1204> I am thinking that will not work.
[06:12] <Len-1204> because the panel belongs to the user's settings
[06:12] <ailo> It's not easy to create a custom workflow that is generic enough
[06:12] <ailo> I always say it's better to do that sort of thing in documentation
[06:12] <ailo> Or, at least begin there
[06:13] <Len-1204> What do you think of using dvdstyler in the video section?
[06:13] <ailo> In Documentation you can decide on which default programs you would like to use for different things, but also mention alternatives. People are likely to use their own workflows, since they are almost always doing specialized things
[06:14] <ailo> I have no opinion on dvdstyler
[06:14] <Len-1204> Even two people doing the same job will do it two ways
[06:14] <ailo> No opinions on video or graphics at all, in general. I don't know much about it
[06:15] <ailo> A custom workflow can only serve as an example at best
[06:15] <Len-1204> I was just thinking we are prety sparse on apps there and there is nothing for mastering dvds
[06:16] <ailo> Seems like you have a good idea about that
[06:16] <Len-1204> In that case we are better keeping the panel for app(let)s that get used for many work flows.
[06:16] <ailo> Not many I've seen who are interested in the video part, so it seems a little neglected
[06:16] <Len-1204> I thought so too.
[06:18] <ailo> Great to have the -lowlatency in
[06:18] <Len-1204> A panel can start the browser, terminal, qjackctl... I would like to get rid of the desktop icons...
[06:18] <Len-1204> Yes!
[06:18] <ailo> Is the live image working now?
[06:19] <ailo> I haven't tried since it was not working again for a while
[06:19] <Len-1204> It has been for a week at least. Still no rt in jack... but it is a good reflection of an install.
[06:20] <Len-1204> so if we get rt in install the live should get it too.
[06:20] <Len-1204> Same with the proper themes.
[06:20] <Len-1204> Mudita24 seems to have a problem with some of the alsa files...
[06:21] <Len-1204> This seems to be the latest version, because it worked fine when we tried the dep repo. before the first sync
[06:22] <ailo> It comes directly from Debian Wheezy, just like all the other audio apps generally do, so it's about as new as they get
[06:23] <Len-1204> Still no *.desktop.
[06:23] <ailo> wtf, my internal audio has disappeared
[06:24] <ailo> I'm actually on Wheezy right now
[06:24] <ailo> pulseaudio interaction is a little weird
[06:24] <ailo> Was trying mudita24, but don't see any problems here
[06:24] <Len-1204> Ja, PA has to be played with to get it to work right with jackd
[06:25] <ailo> There's no pa sink on Debian, so that seems to be purely an Ubuntu thing
[06:25] <Len-1204> When I start it here I get:
[06:26] <Len-1204> I can't start it here... this is off a week old iso.
[06:26] <ailo> But, pulseaudio seems less stable than before. I get corrupted sound at times, and if I jerk around with jackd too much I might get some problem with d-bus that I don't know how to reinitialize, so I reboot
[06:27] <Len-1204> When I was playing with my ensonic card with the PA->jack bridging the sound was not usable.
[06:27] <Len-1204> it was fine on the same machine with the envy24
[06:28] <Len-1204> I have the ensoniq for midi.
[06:28] <ailo> I have a couple of cards with joystick ports that I can use to connect to a midi keyboard I have. Been a while, but I usually use one of them for that too
[06:29] <Len-1204> I hear that the jack dbus stuff and the PA interacting with that is being played with just now.
[06:30] <ailo> Will be nice if they get that to work seamlessly.
[06:30] <ailo> I'm also excited about alsa adding firewire support
[06:30] <ailo> Just too bad so few usb devices work well on Linux
[06:31] <ailo> That kind of puts Linux in a stoneage category, hardware-wise
[06:31] <Len-1204> I haven't tried any... but have been thinking about getting something for this netbook.
[06:32] <ailo> Most usb devices will only work in 1.1 mode
[06:32] <Len-1204> I didn't get this netbook for audio at all.
[06:32] <ailo> So, perhaps 48kHz, 16 bits
[06:32] <Len-1204> That is what I heard
[06:32] <ailo> Generic drivers
[06:32] <Len-1204> two channels
[06:32] <ailo> Yeah
[06:33] <ailo> So, most stereo cards will work, but only as usb 1.1
[06:33] <ailo> I've heard stories about generic usb 2.0 compatible devices, but I have no idea about which ones
[06:33] <Len-1204> For me that would be fine... this would probably only handle that much data.
[06:34] <ailo> There's one M-Audio 8 ch usb device with custom drivers
[06:35] <ailo> I think something like M-Audio Fasttrack Pro, stereo, with mic preamping, high Z input, and even phantom power is a great device
[06:35] <Len-1204> There seem to be some usb2 cards where the manufacture says they are usb2 standard, but we don't know if they do linux...
[06:35] <ailo> Versatile as hell, but alas, only usb 1.1
[06:36] <ailo> If it's usb 2 standard, it aught to work on Linux
[06:36] <Len-1204> I would much more like to hear " I tried this on my linux box and it works great!"
[06:36] <ailo> Like, M-Audio, they say it has usb 1.1 standard, without the custom drivers. Don't know if all manufacturers will mention this
[06:38] <ailo> I'm only talking about M-Audio, cause I know that brand fairly well of course
[06:38] <Len-1204> I have been happy with the delta 66 though, but its old now.
[06:38] <ailo> I have one too
[06:38] <ailo> I also have a LT1010
[06:38] <ailo> They don't seem to age at all
[06:39] <ailo> Was able to sync them too, so I had 12 ch I/O
[06:39] <ailo> For a recording studio setup, they are still great. Would be my first choice, since they are so cheap
[06:40] <ailo> I also have a 8 ch firewire device. Had to get something more mobile
[06:40] <ailo> Sadly, few notebooks have good firewire chips, if any
[06:40] <ailo> So, it's still very limited
[06:40] <Len-1204>  I would buy mics first. I have a couple of nice dynamics, but would like a condenser too
[06:41] <Len-1204> I don't (right now) record drums, so four lines in is enough.
[06:41] <ailo> I got a couple of Røde K2's and some cheaper condensers as well
[06:41] <ailo> Really a whole setup for studio recording
[06:41] <ailo> Nice mic preamps as well
[06:42] <ailo> Amps, drums, mics, guitar, bass, you name it
[06:42] <ailo> Don't have my own place for it right now though
[06:42] <Len-1204> I use the mic pres in my mackey (can't remember spelling)
[06:42] <ailo> It's a good brand
[06:43] <Len-1204> I started as a drummer, but that is the only thing I don't have now. I have keys guitars bass... some cheap drum pads...
[06:44] <Len-1204> I play bass on the weekends so it is my main thing these days
[06:45] <ailo> I also started out as a drummer. Don't get to practice a lot
[06:46] <ailo> Hoping to build a house sometime in the coming years so I can have a studio where I live
[06:46] <Len-1204> I would never buy one, but was given a classical guitar. I have been having a lot of fun with it. it has that sound I can't get with the other.
[06:47] <ailo> A lot of nice sonor from an acoustic guitar
[06:47] <Len-1204> I have the house and the space... not the time. My wife is doing school so I am the house mom.
[06:47] <ailo> I'm probably not getting married
[06:47] <ailo> But, that sort of thing is hard to plan
[06:48] <Len-1204> It has its ups and downs
[06:48] <Len-1204> She plays and sings too. Has been doing volumtere
[06:49] <Len-1204> volunteer at the local hospital
[06:50] <Len-1204> Mostly for older people. Shes studying nursing right now.
[06:52] <ailo> I know a couple of nurse moms. Friends wives. Both studied to it as adults
[06:52] <ailo> It's a decent job to have
[06:53] <Len-1204> I will probably retire in a few years anyway, so she can pay for me to stay home and make music ;-)
[06:53] <ailo> Are you that old?
[06:53] <Len-1204> 51
[06:54] <Len-1204> I can RT at 55 with an ok pension.
[06:54] <ailo> So it's a good time to be considering that anyway. Me, I'm going to change the history of music :P
[06:54] <ailo> I'm getting old enough to stop jerking around
[06:54] <ailo> 34 years
[06:55] <Len-1204> Pretty hard to do... its so commercial any more... more vocal gymnastics than any feeling.
[06:56] <Len-1204> At least it is getting easier to sell your own stuff direct.
[06:56] <ailo> There's a lot that can be done I think. Technology is not exactly used to the fullest right now
[06:57] <ailo> I've done all kinds of music, and studied a lot
[06:57] <Len-1204> I don't know that age matters so much... phil collins is still playing.
[06:58] <ailo> He's good
[06:58] <Len-1204> There is a lot of older players around
[06:58] <ailo> I remember his old hits from the 80's
[06:58] <ailo> Bruckner wrote his first symphony when he was 40
[06:58] <Len-1204> Kim Mitchel is still about too
[06:58] <ailo> While some die before their 40's
[06:59] <ailo> Or, around 40, in Bruckners case
[06:59] <Len-1204> or whats her name this weekend
[06:59] <Len-1204>  or was it last
[07:00] <ailo> I forge too. I don't remember names, but I know who you mean
[07:01] <Len-1204> Lots of old guys playing their hits from glory days too
[07:01] <ailo> I can't believe people like Chuck Berry are still playing
[07:01] <Len-1204> D.P. is still doing smoke on the water
[07:01] <ailo> Those guys are like convicts, who don't know what else to do in life
[07:02] <ailo> They have their routines
[07:02] <ailo> I've been listening to Judas Priest lately, a song called Judas Rising. Pretty new, from around 2005. Not exactly a new band either.
[07:04] <Len-1204> If it doesn't make radio play it's probably good.
[07:05] <ailo> My Uncle sent me a CD. I would have never listened to it otherwise. Don't know why that song caught my attention so much. Something haunting about it almost
[07:05] <Len-1204> But yeah I remember them from late 70s early 80s?
[07:06] <ailo> I think they begun in the early part of the 70's but didn't really grow big until bands like Iron Maiden became huge
[07:06] <ailo> Judas Priest was actually one of the few original Metal bands, when Black Sabbath was more of a groovy, doomy rock band
[07:07] <Len-1204> I'll have to go have a listen.
[07:11] <Len-1204> Anyway, off to bed I guess.
[07:23] <ailo> Good night
[07:48] <Len-1204> For those who care... here is a modified panel: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/panel.html
[07:49] <Len-1204> and some thoughts on why we should not have a second panel.
[14:54] <len> scott-work: Just looked at workflows for video. I see we have qdvdauthor to be used for setting up video dvds. qdvdauthor has much the same functionality as dvdstyler (from a quick look at the web page)
[14:55] <len> But, dvdstyler is in the repos, qdvdauthor does not seem to be there.
[14:56] <len> Also, please read my notes on panels. There are problems with using xfce panels.
[14:56] <len> I'm off to work now.
[15:12] <scott-work> hi len , sorry i missed you
[15:13] <scott-work> for the record, i have played with dvdstyler and i thought it was one of the best, easiest to use, and most functional dvd authoring software available to ubuntu
[15:14] <scott-work> this was during last cycle or so, perhaps something is better now, but going with dvdstyler would be a good choice
[15:14] <scott-work> this may come from left field...
[15:14] <scott-work> do we want to support making physical dvd's?
[15:15] <scott-work> i think most progressive people are looking at video on the web mainly
[15:15] <scott-work> i'm not necessarily oppossed to physical dvd's or supprting them, i just want to ask the question
[15:15] <scott-work> it's great to have that functionality, but do our users want it or are they asking for it?
[15:16] <scott-work> len: i shoudl also point out that i appreciate your efforts on the menu and panel
[15:17] <scott-work> i hope to have some other things resolved here shortly (work allowing), and then i will be moving onto the menu and panels along with the icons for the menu (not the ones _in_ the menu per se, as you noted this is handled by the *.desktop files)
[15:25] <holstein> yeah, len is knocking it out !
[15:26] <holstein> i think as far as "are our users wanting to make DVD's?"... i see that point
[15:26] <holstein> i dont think we have enough video users to warrant a work-flow for video though personally
[15:27] <holstein> that being said, i think making DVD's is one of those simple things that we could support our of the box
[15:27] <holstein> anything we include be default can be used live
[15:27] <holstein> a user could DL the iso, and create a DVD
[15:27] <holstein> thats pretty cool...
[17:19] <ailo> Beta 1 is almost here then..
[18:02] <scott-work> ailo: yeah, and i wanted to resolve a few things before then :(
[18:02] <scott-work> work is pretty crazy right now
[18:02] <scott-work> but i think i'm leaving on time tonight so hopefully i get some of them done tonight
[18:14] <micahg> scott-work: your meta package got removed along with xubuntu and anything else using lightdm-gtk-greeter
[18:15] <scott-work> most unfortunate :(  but, of course, not unexpected
[18:22] <micahg> I"m working on the greeter now, should have something ready in an hour or 2
[18:27] <scott-work> micahg: will it need to go through REVU?
[18:38] <micahg> yeah, actually, I'd rather just upload new meta packages now and fix the greeter later tonight
[18:41] <ailo> This tells about a patch to make M-Audio Fast Track Pro get 24 bit operation http://joegiampaoli.blogspot.com/2011/06/m-audio-fast-track-pro-for-debian-linux.html
[18:41] <ailo> A kernel patch
[18:41] <ailo> It's an usb audio patch
[18:49] <ailo> I've been reading this forum also. Some talk about getting both Fasttrack Pro and Fasttrack Ultra to work here
[18:49] <ailo> Unfortunately, I don't have access to either device, so I can't do any testing. I do have access to an older version of fasttrack, but that might not help
[18:54] <ailo> I should go past a music shop and do some quick testing with a notebook. Should tell us something
[19:37] <micahg> ScottL: I'm going to reupload the meta for you now
[19:37] <micahg> scott-work: ^^
[20:30] <scott-work> micahg: thank you
[20:37] <micahg> scott-work: I can't do this now, I have to upload the lightdm theme ans default-settings package, can it wait a few more hours?
[21:21] <scott-work> micahg: i don't think i have much choice, do i? :P
[21:22] <scott-work> micahg: but seriously, i think that is fine, i don't think meta updates are going to break anything at this point (except for something that is missing like lightdm for the iso build)
[21:22] <micahg> heh, not unless you have another victi^Wvolunteer :), I'll be uploading ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme, and the meta, so whatever changes are needed, please make if you can, otherwise, I'll try to clean it up myself before upload
[21:23] <micahg> I won't be touching it for another 7 or 8 hours probably
[21:34] <scott-work> micahg: that's cool (i.e. 7 or 8 hours)
[21:35] <scott-work> micahg: i'll get the Depends: xubuntu-icon-theme done before them
[21:35] <scott-work> micahg: i'll try to get the /pixmaps/icons also added to the -menu file
[21:36] <scott-work> i don't think there is anything else that i needed to do right now to fix the lightdm/theme issues right now
[22:21] <len> Wow, the iso is 15% different from yesterday.
[23:17] <scott-work> it's proably all the lightdm being removed :P
[23:22] <len> We are 100 to 200 meg lighter alright


[00:18] <bkero> CATs?
[00:18] <bkero> mrow
[00:18] <bkero> meow
[02:03] <iBkerensa> blkperl: did u get the cd's
[03:37] <bkerensa> blkperl: I assume it got to the right place... there was Unicorn meat in the lobby :)
[03:57] <bkerensa> kees, adam_g, Brian_H, sbeattie, shirgall, bdmurray: Any plans to join us for the Global Jam? (http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1553/detail/)
[03:58] <bkerensa> Hope to have a bug focus for the event
[04:38] <blkperl> bkerensa: i received irc confirmation of delivery :)
[04:39] <bkerensa> blkperl: Excellent.... I also like the fact that one of the people who got them discussed with me how he would NOT like to see any Fedora CD's up front
[04:39] <bkerensa> :D
[04:42] <blkperl> haha
[04:43] <blkperl> well we are an ubuntu shop :)
[04:52] <MarkDude> Fair enough on the Fedora CDs, they are harder to install
[04:52]  * MarkDude thinks they should be kept behind the counter, the same way we have them at a coffee shop
[04:53] <MarkDude> The Ubuntu CDs were out front
[04:53] <MarkDude> Also helps avoid new user questions about LVM and such ;D
[05:02] <blkperl> lvm is awesome though
[05:06] <blkperl> um erk: unity your suppose to open applications when i click on the icon
[05:06] <blkperl> s/your/you're
[05:09] <blkperl> alright how do you start ubuntu-software-center from the cli?
[05:20] <blkperl> wow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin needs some love
[05:25] <c_smith_> bkerensa, are you here?
[05:25] <c_smith_> if so, I have a couple of questions.
[05:27] <c_smith_> guess not. I'll try again tomorrow.
[05:27]  * c_smith_ leaves to sleep
[08:39] <bkerensa> c_smith_: you can e-mail me any questions when I'm not on IRC and also if you look at the userlist in your client (Xchat?) the usernames that are grey usually mean that user is idle or away while black signifies recent activity in most cases. You can also do /whois nick to find their idle time
[08:52] <bkerensa> blkperl: Thank you for bringing that documentation to our attention (doc-team) I have pinged the mailing list to see if any first time contributors would like to work on it.
[09:01] <blkperl> bkerensa: no problem :)
[09:02] <blkperl> let me know how it turns out ;)
[15:23] <albrigha> bkerensa, okay, i'm ready to put some time into setting up connecting to your irc connection server
[16:49] <bkero> bkerensa: okay, I have mozilla swag in oregon already for you, we just need to coordinate the delivery of them to you
[17:12] <blkperl> bkero: moz swag? :)
[17:12] <bkero> blkperl: indeed
[18:05] <albrigha> bkerensa, http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[18:06] <albrigha> how did i miss this??
[19:00] <albrigha> oh wait, it went live today. ha..guess i'm more connected these days
[22:54] <bkerensa> bkero: Where in Oregon? :P
[22:54] <bkerensa> albrigha: Ok lets do it
[22:55] <bkero> bkerensa: He's in east portland
[22:55] <albrigha> hm?
[23:06] <bkerensa> bkerensa: Ok and is there a deadline for pickup?
[23:06] <bkerensa> :)
[23:07] <bkerensa> bkero: I'm in NE off of Glisan
[23:07] <bkero> bkerensa: okay cool


  Dan alerted us this morning, I solved it with the uploader
[03:22] <tsimonq2> Literally just need a member of the Release Team to push a button. I just nagged someone last week about nagging so I'd be a hypocrite to push it too hard
[07:47] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New binary: libfm-qt [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [1.1.0-3ubuntu1] (lubuntu)
 "lubuntu-qa: ⚠🚧 upgrades for..." <- It is in proposed now so progress. Still building riscV of course.
[09:55] <SaptarshiRoy[m]> Hi!
[09:56] <guiverc> G'day SaptarshiRoy[m]
[14:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Did we end up with libfm-qt all under control? Or should I start work on it for Ubuntu? (I know Debian still needs help.)
[15:04] <kc2bez[m]> I haven't checked in a few hours but the corrected version was uploaded by Simon and in proposed earlier. ^^
[15:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice.
[16:22] <tsimonq2> I privately asked a Release Team member to accept it this morning. We should be all good. I'd respin the ISO. Was a long night for me last night so I'm just making my way to the office
[16:24] <tsimonq2> As soon as I get there (and get coffee...) I'll have a better look at this
[16:24]  * genii 's ears shoot up for a moment
[16:24] <tsimonq2> Aaron, I've been told you have a default settings PR? Have a link to make it easy?
[16:24]  * arraybolt3[m] teleports a Red Bull and a bag of Hostess donuts to Simon Quigley
[16:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Yep, should be in the backlog, I'll hunt for it.
[16:25] <tsimonq2> genii: The cowork space I'm in has a water line hooked up to their Keurig, and beer on tap right next to it (that's Green Bay, WI for you...)
[16:25] <arraybolt3[m]> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-default-settings/pull/2
[16:25] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 2 in lubuntu-team/lubuntu-default-settings "Change default theme to work around Breeze theming bug" [Open]
[16:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Wait they hardwired a Keurig into the water system???
[16:26] <genii> Hah
[16:27] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess that's one way to keep the office peaceful. Coffee, on demand, and we mean it.
[16:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: No no, they have a water line hooked up to the Keurig regulating the tank level :)
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. Then I'm missing what "water line" means, because I still don't understand what you just said :P
 "Oh. Then I'm missing what "water..." <- Small garden hose lookin thing that hooks up to the Keurig water tank and fills it as it's being used
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: That's... ok I guess it's not hardwired into the water system but it has about the same effect :D Still, that's awesome. Overkill in my environment, but I bet it comes in handy where you're at.
 Just for the record bug 1981938 is back on 2 latest ISO's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm-qt/+bug/1981938
[17:18] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 1981938 in libfm-qt (Ubuntu) "Selecting Install Lubuntu 22.10 from desktop results in error" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1981938
[17:21] <kc2bez[m]> lubot: Makes sense as libfm-qt mentioned above hasn't migrated yet.
 That is what I thought - just needed the confirm..tks (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> lubot: Makes sense as libfm-qt mentioned above hasn't migrated yet.)
[17:22] <kc2bez[m]> Sure thing.
[17:25] <kc2bez[m]> Looks like Britney isn't happy.
[17:26] <kc2bez[m]> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[18:11] <tsimonq2> "Binary packages awaiting approval in NEW queue"
 "Looks like Britney isn't happy." <- Bumped in -release, thanks for the heads up.
 "That's... ok I guess it's not..." <- Oh definitely
 "https://github.com/lubuntu-team..." <- Yes, this works in the meantime, but what *precisely* does the UI change look like here?
[18:16]  * tsimonq2 scrolls backlog
[18:18] <tsimonq2> Kay, I'll try this change on a daily, if it works it's going in the archive. Thanks :)
 ""Binary packages awaiting..." <- Oh, that makes sense. I always forget that.
[18:28] <tsimonq2> See my response on the bug report... after digging into this I'm trying the Breeze theme released a few hours ago
[18:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'll throw this ^^ in a PPA for your testing (and others)
[18:29] <tsimonq2> I'm really not comfortable with changing the default theme for our default toolkit this close to release
[18:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Sounds good. I did test it locally, but can't hurt to do another test run.
[18:29] <tsimonq2> I'll try too - where exactly this error is, don't know
[18:29] <kc2bez[m]> A working Breeze theme is preferred for sure.
[18:29] <kc2bez[m]> It is fairly non-functional from a menu standpoint right now though.
[18:30] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Yeah, agreed. If we could find the bug in Breeze that would be awesome but I have little to no clue what I'm doing, especially since a Qt change broke it and I have still not figured out how to get Qt compiled and installed properly.
[18:30] <tsimonq2> Was this a bug in the following versions:
[18:30] <tsimonq2>  - 22.04.1 (if so, 22.04)
[18:30] <tsimonq2>  - 22.10 Beta
[18:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least we think a Qt change broke it. Since the bug doesn't affect Kubuntu, though, I have a feeling it's Breeze vs. LXQt's fault, not Qt's.)
[18:31] <tsimonq2> That will give me a much better idea of what exactly I'm looking at
[18:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: 22.10 Beta for sure, no clue about 22.04.1, didn't test there yet.
[18:31] <arraybolt3[m]> (It might not have been in the beta, actually.)
[18:31] <arraybolt3[m]> (It was in a daily, not sure about the beta.)
[18:31]  * arraybolt3[m] only just now remembered that the beta and the daily are different
[18:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: ^
[18:31] <kc2bez[m]> I haven't seen this in 22.04.1
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Can confirm this is an issue in the beta.
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Which means a Qt update, at least the most recent one, did not break it
[18:33] <arraybolt3[m]> iebifuzyoiuhtetr
[18:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Well that's both encouraging and infuriating to hear.
[18:34] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/KDE/breeze/compare/v5.25.5...v5.26.0
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Oh that's smart. I'm right in the middle of trying to test a bugfix elsewhere, is it awful if I'm not ready to start a bisect now? I can if we need to.
[18:35] <tsimonq2> not quite that far yet sec
[18:48] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Cala alpha3 came out yesterday, FFE? 👍 / 👎
[18:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yiiiiikes. Today's Tuesday, Thurday is Final Freeze. This is cutting it REEEEAL close.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Anything compelling?
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> I think that is just begging for a humdinger of a bug in the final product.
[18:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Oh, you only asked Eickmeyer, I responded with a -1... 🤦♂)
[18:50] <tsimonq2> I thought that was Erich 😆
[18:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (Hey, figured out how to undo reactions!)
[18:50]  * Eickmeyer[m] yeets arraybolt3 accross Yellowstone
[18:50] <tsimonq2> I'm asking before I JFD here since we're not the only Cala flavor anymore
[18:51] <tsimonq2> We already ship alpha2 in the release
[18:51] <tsimonq2> In terms of riskiness, can't get any riskier than that
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> IMO, alpha2 has been battle-tested thanks to guiverc and leok, alpha3 is total uncharted territory.
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> alpha2 is as good as stable for now, alpha3 is... exactly what it sounds like.
[18:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Simon Quigley: Right. Before I make a +1 or -1, I'd like to know if we have any features added, if there's any compelling reason to go for it, or if there's any bugfixes we'd like to have.
[18:52] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/calamares/CHANGES-3.3#L11
[18:52] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/compare/v3.3.0-alpha2...calamares
[18:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like we might have to make changes in calamares-settings-ubuntu as well, unless I'm mistaken.
[18:53] <tsimonq2> Yeah, you're right
[18:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that alone makes me want to nack this.
[18:53] <kc2bez[m]> I don't see anything we need there
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Sounds good, next cycle it is... something that will surprisingly be more favorable, I'm guessing, is SRUing Cala 3.2.x to Jammy as it gets released
[18:54]  * arraybolt3[m] buries Eickmeyer in a pile of marshmallow cream
[18:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> > * <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> buries Eickmeyer in a pile of marshmallow cream
[18:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nummy
[18:55] <kc2bez[m]> LUKS v. LUKS2 sounds nice but needs some serious testing and possibly dependencies we don't have.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, seems a little late for that alone.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> I think we need to SRU this one though: https://calamares.io/calamares-3.2.61-is-out/
[18:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> That I can agree to.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Have you taken a peek at the changelog entries for that? Seems to be all SRU-qualified anyway
[18:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Very minor changes, so definitely.
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks trivial to do, BUT... we have to grapple with a curveball GitHub has thrown at us.
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> All of our GitHub-based debian/watch files that point to the Releases page are broken.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> Do you have an example of a fix we've used for that by chance?
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Not that we've used, but I have an example that bluesabre used in Xubuntu, lemme find it...
[19:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Behold, the workaround: https://github.com/Xubuntu/sgt-launcher/blob/master/debian/watch
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> I have seen a couple of things tossed around the Debian-devel mailing list too
[19:05] <arraybolt3[m]> I think the idea here is to use GitHub tags to sleuth out the right Releases URL and then grab it.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> I found a script that basically creates watch files automatically.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> (because I suck at it)
[19:07] <arraybolt3[m]> My first real attempt at making a significant change in a debian/watch file was looked at by Simon, who responded "Your regex-fu is weak"...
[19:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> My regex-fu is non-existent. I just can't learn it, and I'm unashamed to admit it.
[19:08] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahahahaha
[19:08] <kc2bez[m]> This was another way to solve it https://github.com/volans-/gjson-py/blob/debian/debian/watch
[19:09] <kc2bez[m]> It uses the api links
[19:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debian-package-init/-/blob/master/deb_create_watch.py
[19:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's what I use.
[19:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Doesn't work all the time, but it works for Github 100% of the time.
[19:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: That's more elegant in theory, and even uglier in practice. :D
[19:11] <kc2bez[m]> Totes
[19:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: The problem I can see with that script is that it uses the tags directory, which doesn't provide GPG signing.
[19:12] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, I guess it depends on how much one does or doesn't care.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, considering the tags are how Github handles releases, everything else just gets added in metadata after-the-fact.
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. And it uses HTTPS so as long as you trust the repo, it should be good (Git uses HTTPS transport, right? Pretty sure it does, I saw git-https-transport processes or something similarly named earlier today).
[19:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's why one never grabs the release right away, but waits a few days (usually a week) for the dev to finish with the metadata.
[19:14] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Depends on how the Git server is set up. Generally, in 2022, the answer to that question will be yes.
[19:15] <tsimonq2> It can be done over HTTP, SSH, FTP, you name it...
[19:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Then my call would be to gut out GPG verification and fall back to tags. Wonder how well upstream Debian will take to that idea.
[19:15] <kc2bez[m]> Mailing list
[19:15] <tsimonq2> carrier pidgeon
[19:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Smoke signals
[19:15] <tsimonq2> They won't take it at all
[19:15] <arraybolt3[m]> git-300baud-modem
[19:16] <tsimonq2> egyptian pyramids
[19:16] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: If that's the case, then I guess we have to figure out how to make GPG verification work?
[19:16] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, bluesabre's hack seems to do the trick, and of all the solutions it's the least ugly one I see so far.
[19:17] <kc2bez[m]> The ugly example I sent can handle releases and GPG but it is ugly.
[19:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: ...so where exactly did you push the previous Cala update in Git? :)
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Should just be in my GitHub, gimme a sec...
 "My first real attempt at..." <- (Meaning, it could be more concise...(
[19:18] <tsimonq2> s/(/)/
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/calamares-packaging
[19:18] <tsimonq2> kcoolthanks
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, that's it.
[19:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: no I meant Jammy :)
[19:19] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/3.2.60-0ubuntu0.1
[19:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Is that not it?
[19:19] <tsimonq2> If you didn't commit it anywhere nbd, just lmk that :)
[19:20] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm sure I did...
[19:20] <tsimonq2> In the meantime I'll just use pull-lp-source...
[19:20] <arraybolt3[m]> ...but you're right, that ain't it.
[19:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, I remember! Shoot, I didn't commit it anywhere.
[19:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Uh... crud, hold on, lemme find my SATA-to-USB adapter...
[19:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Ack, actually, I'm getting my data scrambled. Phew, we mess with Calamares a lot. OK, hang on...
[19:21] <RikMills> so the theme issue is a bug in breeze, as there have been no changes at all in lxqt since jammy?
[19:21] <RikMills> oh..... wait
[19:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> 😕 ⁉
[19:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Un. Real. I can't find it in my Git stuff, all I see is a patch uploaded on the SRU bug report.
[19:25] <tsimonq2> *'ll take care of it
[19:25] <arraybolt3[m]> I must have just spaced it or thought that Git wasn't important that time around.
[19:25] <tsimonq2> nbd I
[19:25] <arraybolt3[m]> But, FWIW, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/614751142/calamares.diff
[19:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: What bug in breeze?
[19:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Lemme pull it up real quick...
[19:26] <RikMills> LP: #1992196
[19:26] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1992196 in breeze (Ubuntu) "Various highly noticable graphical glitches have all started happening in Kinetic at the same time" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992196
[19:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, that's it. You beat me to it.
[19:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, weird.
[19:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. And it only affects Lubuntu.
[19:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (That I can see so far. Kubuntu is unaffected.)
[19:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I hadn't noticed anything on Studio (also uses breeze)
[19:28] <RikMills> has anyone tried adding the Kubuntu backports PPA to Lubuntu 22.04 to see if the breeze version from Kinetic produces the same issue there?
[19:28] <RikMills> as backports PPA has 5.25.5 backported from Kinetic
[19:29] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: Not tried that yet, I'll give it a whirl real quick
[19:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: You mean backports-extra
[19:29] <RikMills> Sorry, yes
[19:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> (that's why I'm here 🙃 )
[19:31] <tsimonq2> RikMills: I tried something similar locally with Neon, gave up, considered it a "later after dayjob" thing - I know if I don't do Cala now I'll forget until a week or two before 22.04.2 and I don't want that :P
[19:31] <tsimonq2> tl;dr I can try later unless someone else can now
[19:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> Neon will mess-up your lsb_release, FYI
[19:32] <RikMills> leave Neon alone. it is frankendistro
[19:32] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: Wanna link me the PPA real quick?
[19:32] <RikMills> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-extra
[19:32] <RikMills> for jammy
[19:33] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: Oh for *jammy*. This bug is in Kinetic.
[19:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh but you mean that we can use a Jammy installation and then install Kinetic's breeze into it.
[19:33] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: yes
[19:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Shoot, I don't have a Jammy ISO of Lubuntu on this laptop yet.
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, pulling the ISO, this may take a while.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: ssh and scp are your friends.
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: And a decent network setup and having all my systems powered on at once, none of which I have. 🙃
[19:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, well....
[19:39]  * tsimonq2 smacks arraybolt3 upside the head
[19:39] <tsimonq2> ```
[19:39] <tsimonq2> filenamemangle=s/.+\/calamares-(\d\S+)\.tar\.xz/featherpad-$1\.tar\.gz/" \
[19:39] <tsimonq2> ```
[19:39] <tsimonq2> why.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> :P
[19:39] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe that was me who knows
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I did what?
[19:40] <tsimonq2> existing watch file in cala jammy
[19:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> That moment when wheels are reinvented.
[19:40] <arraybolt3[m]> What's more disturbing is that it works...
[19:41] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[19:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope, that was 100% me, I can see it in the patch I uploaded to Launchpad.
[19:43] <arraybolt3[m]> I must have copypastaed and made spaghetticode.
[19:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Whew, at least I finally figured out how I did that. I was changing Calamares from using GitHub tags to using GitHub releases for GPG signing, and used Featherpad's debian/watch file as a cross-reference. I probably copied Featherpad's watch file wholesale, then went through and changed "all" instances of Featherpad to Calamares... and missed one.
[19:50] <arraybolt3[m]> * how I probably did that.
[20:02] <tsimonq2> bug 1992507
[20:02] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 1992507 in calamares (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Calamares 3.2.61" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992507
[20:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Gave the ack
[20:03] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares (jammy-proposed/universe) [3.2.60-0ubuntu0.1 => 3.2.61-0ubuntu0.1] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[20:26] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: it reproduces the bug
[20:26] <RikMills> it my breeze test on jammy
[20:26] <RikMills> *in
[20:27] <tsimonq2> so it IS a breeze issue, that gives me hope
[20:27] <tsimonq2> the only issue with git bisecting KDE packages is it's difficult with all the build deps imo... Rik, is there an easier way to `git bisect`?
[20:28] <tsimonq2> (or would you happen to know what commit broke this?)
[20:28] <RikMills> well............ depends if it it breeze doing things right, or lxqt not keeping up
[20:28] <RikMills> *doing things wrong
[20:28] <RikMills> tsimonq2: I have not idea what commit
[20:29] <tsimonq2> on initial thought I would agree with you, but git bisecting to find which commit in Breeze actually broke it is the way to determine what kind of changes would be needed in LXQt...
[20:29] <RikMills> gah, my typing is crap withe a few beers. :oops
[20:29] <tsimonq2> no worries, I will look into this later/tomorrow if Aaron or Erich don't happen to get to it first
[20:30] <tsimonq2> thank you Rik
[20:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's hardly any chance I'm going to be able to get to it.
[20:30] <RikMills> I might possibly, but can't promise
[20:33] <RikMills> also updating breeze from the PPA did require some of the frameworks it depends on to be updated as well. it is plausible the issue could be in those libs
[20:33] <RikMills> as they codify the theming api/abi breeze builds on
[20:35] <RikMills> also slightly puzzling is that I cannot find any bug reports from other distros or upstream
[20:37] <tsimonq2> I'm 99% sure I can figure out and fix this given a full time day. Someone add more days to the calendar for me please :P
[20:38] <RikMills> ha
[20:41] <genii> It's not 1582
[20:42] <tsimonq2> teward: WITCH!!!!!!
[20:42] <tsimonq2> oh sorry you're right XD
[20:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH... sorry, I came down with some FOMO.
 what the heck?
 *beats tsimonq2 with a Windows XP disk*
[20:51] <tsimonq2> sorry someone said 1500s and my mind went to finding the nearest witch :P
[20:51] <tsimonq2> you're funny, Vista would be a better challenger :P
 "so it IS a breeze issue, that..." <- I'll try and tackle it hopefully. I have to do a particular part of development work on a different computer than my shiny new laptop because this laptop is SO AWESOME it can't reproduce a bug I'm trying to fix :P
[20:57] <arraybolt3[m]> So I'll set my desktop to attack that and then work on Breeze with the laptop.
 @tsimonq2  i'm evil not the devil himself, XP is the lesser evil xD
 "I'll try and tackle it hopefully..." <- I mean, I can even reproduce it in a VM, soooo ;)
 "So I'll set my desktop to attack..." <- Thanks. All I ask is that it's "pass off"able when you're done :)
 "Thanks. All I ask is that it's..." <- You mean like don't rename a tar file to lxqt-sshaskpass? :P
[22:09] <tsimonq2> bahahaha perhaps
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like a good idea. Still tied up for a bit, will be on it ASAP.
 "Sounds like a good idea. Still..." <- Ditto here.  But hey, could be worse!
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: Any chance you can link me to the Git repo containing Breeze?
[23:20] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/KDE/breeze/
[23:20] <tsimonq2> gh mirror
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Thanks 👍
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> (Now I'm remembering invent.kde.org exists...)


[15:21] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:26] <brousch> pipe's frozen yo
[15:26] <brousch> Time to move out of this frozen wasteland
[15:58] <cmaloney> Ugh
[22:17] <cmaloney> Afternoon
[22:20] <ADAG10> Afternoon, cmaloney


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[00:00] <triggerhapp> That's always the only number of the formatting % that I see
[07:50] <aztek> hello
[08:03] <aztek> quite silence
[11:54] <aztek> silence forum
[21:51] <mcurran> Anyone know how I can bridge one computer (master) to another [wlan0=connected to internet], and I want to bridge eth0 (master) to eth0 (node)
[23:37] <CharlesA> Anyone have experience with DKMS and having the resulting modules not being inserted into the kernel?
[23:47] <Bachstelze> CharlesA: what do you mean by "not inserted"?
[23:48] <CharlesA> Bachstelze: It's not loading the module.
[23:48] <CharlesA> bad wording =/
[23:48] <Bachstelze> what does it do instead of loading the module ?
[23:48] <CharlesA> when I ran modprobe, it spit back "invalid module format"
[23:49] <CharlesA> I'm looking into that now, but Not 100% sure where to start
[23:49] <Bachstelze> hmm
[23:49] <CharlesA> I've got a thread started over here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10578506#post10578506
[23:49] <CharlesA> First time I've tried to use dkms heh
[23:57] <Bachstelze> that's very weird, especially if it works on other kernels
[23:57] <CharlesA> I guess so. I don't understand it at all