[05:13] <mapps> hmm whats the need for 2 wireless networks on vm
[05:13] <mapps> 1 ghz and 1 2.4
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: what do you mean?
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> 1x 5GHz and 1x 2.4?
[05:14] <mapps> well
[05:14] <mapps> yea
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> and what hardware you need for that?
[05:14] <mapps> er oops i said 1ghz and 1 2.4
[05:14] <MartijnVdS> client side or access point side?
[05:14] <mapps> just the standard router they give us
[05:14] <mapps> i just wondered why
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> mapps: the 2.4 band is quite full, with other wifi networks, DECT, bluetooth, and lots of other things
[05:15] <mapps> ah will interfere with it?
[05:15] <mapps> so why not just use the 5ghz only?#
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> on 5GHz there are way more channels, with less overlap
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> 5GHz doesn't go through walls as well
[05:16] <MartijnVdS> And not every client device has a 5GHz radio, so backwards compatibility
[05:16] <mapps> good point
[05:16] <mapps> just looks funny haviong 4 wireless
[05:16] <mapps> 2 for BT FTC and 2 for Virgin media
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> I gave my 5GHz and 2.4GHz the same name + crypto
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> so my phone and laptop switch to the best signal automagically
[05:54] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[05:54] <Myrtti> mornin
[05:59] <mapps> morning
[06:14] <Knightwise> hey Myrtti mapps :)
[06:14] <Knightwise> how are you doin :-
[06:18] <mapps> wondering what to do today:D using last of my holiday been off since saturday till next weds
[06:18] <mapps> so i slept like 8pm-4am last night lol..so i guess il be sleeping odd hoursd today O_o
[06:19] <mapps> broke my laptop screen too..so there's another fun job for me
[06:20] <mapps> 3rd laptop screen ive had to replace:)
[06:20] <Knightwise> I would realy like to try installing the ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 2013
[06:20] <Knightwise> just wondering how hard that is
[06:20] <mapps> ah yes
[06:20] <mapps> good idea Knightwise
[06:20] <mapps> i meant to try that too
[06:20] <mapps> but haven't got round to it..ive got the first Nexus7 im guessing mines 2012?
[06:22] <Knightwise> anyone know where the official documentation (and the official image on that is ? )
[06:22] <mapps> ya
[06:22] <mapps> thewebsite
[06:23] <mapps> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[06:23] <mapps> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[06:24] <Knightwise> ah ok , that will give me a weekend project
[06:24] <mapps> ja looks like a long job
[06:25] <Knightwise> but can you also have the terminal apps like irssi and stuff on there ?
[06:25] <mapps> not sure
[06:27] <Knightwise> looks like it .
[06:27]  * Knightwise wondering if he should upgrade yet
[06:27] <mapps> yea you should try it
[06:27] <mapps> im going to
[06:27] <mapps> i just hadn't yet because it looked like a long process LOL
[06:31] <jussi> o/
[06:33] <jussi> its like 10 mins work to get touch on your device...
[06:35] <mapps> pffft
[06:35] <mapps> looks like a lot of reading
[06:35] <mapps> :D
[06:35] <jussi> not really. but then again, I did have popey helping me :D
[06:35] <jussi> bwahahahah
[06:36] <mapps> :)
[06:37]  * Knightwise will wait till popey gets here :p
[06:42] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:43] <MooDoo> upgrading?
[06:43] <Knightwise> nexus 7 to ubuntu touch
[06:44] <MooDoo> ah cool
[06:46] <jussi> oh btw, just a feeling of how good my week has been - we had this picture made on Wednesday :) http://is.gd/dsCGtK
[06:46]  * jussi grinsd
[06:47] <MooDoo> oooooo wonderful :) congrats
[06:48] <mapps> jussi is pregnant!
[06:48] <mapps> unless im looking at the photo wrong
[06:48] <jussi> mapps: not I, but hte wife...   I just had that experience, it's a bit annoying trying to shove the cat off while talking
[08:02] <popey> heh
[08:02] <popey> Salem does
[08:03] <Myrtti> almost strangled the cat with my headphone lead
[08:04] <popey> he mostly climbs on my desk during hangouts
[08:04] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100016383867666174158/posts/Qvv711jG3UD <-- this morning
[08:05] <popey> awwwww
[08:05] <popey> http://imgur.com/3eIlcf7,gMe1S0c,97unblf,3DzW4a4,S1cd4v0,NvnoyAD,MHgWwMs,7cGpFDK,8DXGhuS,H8ReRsA
[08:05] <popey> happens a fair amount
[08:05] <popey> http://imgur.com/nSRJKwE,e4WTn08,DFbbAxE,P7OdIfw,sxeVqlg,dYnZfMT,7skcCCX,Xw9fzcP,JA3jOuD,tiRxP5n,iEPe4m7,gKitRqB,ay9ePyP,U3pjgz6,1oeqIU5,OszGF9S,YwCO9qV,IYOjYBg,DugCqLJ,Thlz1Wt,BTIIDpA,2veaRql,I9mOn1t,PoqPb4z,mYWWbNW,28BCHpQ
[08:06] <popey> means I get to do the cat-stache http://imgur.com/28BCHpQ
[08:06] <popey> Knightwise: wassup?
[08:09] <Knightwise> hey popey :à
[08:09] <Knightwise> might start playing around with putting ubuntu toch on the nexus 7 today :)
[08:09] <popey> nexus 7 2012 or 2013?
[08:10] <Knightwise> 2013
[08:10] <Knightwise> I thought i read something that it was now officially supported ?
[08:10] <popey> yeah, it is
[08:11] <Knightwise> I mostly read books and watch video"s on my tablet .. so i think i can switch it over...
[08:12] <Knightwise> not sure if there is an ebook reader out there on touch.
[08:12] <popey> there is, it displays epubs
[08:12] <popey> upstream is a nice guy, has a bugtracker on github
[08:12] <popey> Beru
[08:13] <Knightwise> and do you know if you can run terminal apps in ubuntu touch ?
[08:19] <popey> Knightwise: it has a terminal
[08:20] <popey> the default image is read-only, but that's easily changed, and you could apt-get install stuff
[08:20] <popey> the downside with that is you  lose whatever you apt-got when you do an over the air update
[08:20] <popey> swings and roundabouts
[08:26] <Knightwise> popey: sounds cool. So i could install stuff like irssi and all the command line apps ?
[08:26] <popey> yes
[08:26] <Knightwise> add keyboard and mouse and I have the smallest ubuntu machine in the house ?
[08:26] <popey> Knightwise: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-06-11-083953.png
[08:26] <Knightwise> * drool *
[08:27] <Knightwise> nexus 7 + wireshark + public wifi somewhere ...
[08:27] <ali1234> i think the word "Terminal" needs to be bigger
[08:34] <Knightwise> And you can just flash it with an ubuntu machine .. right ?
[08:36] <popey> yes
[08:36] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[08:37] <bashrc> using a better power supply for the beaglebone.  The previous one was only about 300mA
[08:37] <bashrc> so it would grey out if you tried to compile a kernel :)
[08:51] <DJones> You know its a bad start to the day when you think there's something wrong with your new glasses, then realise that they're fine and its just foggy
[08:51] <jussi> heh
[08:52] <popey> Friday was poached egg on toast day
[08:52] <popey> It can only go downhill from here
[08:52] <jussi> this is really cool to come accross :D http://www.ohwr.org/
[08:52] <DJones> Bacon & sausage barm for me
[08:53] <jussi> cornflakes...
[08:53] <Myrtti> poached egg and tomato nomnomnom
[08:53] <mapps> i had eggs and bacon:D
[08:53] <jussi> popey: only beer can make it better :D
[08:53] <popey> \o/ #breakfast-uk
[08:53] <mapps> washed down with a FULL FAT COKE
[08:53] <mapps> none of this diet/zero taste nonsense
[08:53] <mapps> :)
[08:54] <popey> coke for breakfast?
[08:54] <mapps> yea i fancied one
[08:54] <popey> ☻
[08:54]  * popey likes Pepsi Max
[08:54] <mapps> didn't have any juice so it was water/tea or coke
[08:55] <Myrtti> I splurged and brewed a pot of Yorkshire
[08:55]  * neuro is on the Diet Irn-Bru
[08:55] <Myrtti> having drunk Twinings English Breakfast for a week the difference is very noticeable
[08:55] <Myrtti> well, two weeks
[08:55] <neuro> and i'm just about to go out and get rolls and bacon and brown sauce
[08:55] <jussi> diet drinks are so horrible. not only taste, but aspartame is really nasty stuff.
[08:56] <neuro> says you
[08:56] <mapps> what is it Myrtti? fancy tea?
[08:56] <mapps> yes jussi aspartame causes the cancer!
[08:56] <mapps> zero sugar..zero taste!
[08:57] <Myrtti> mapps: Yorkshire? just plain tea.
[08:57] <neuro> diet irn bru tastes fine to me
[08:57] <neuro> so does fanta zero, diet 7up and diet coke with cherry
[08:57] <mapps> the engliosh breakfast you talked of
[08:57] <mapps> i didnt know there was a diet coke w/cherry
[08:57] <neuro> yup
[08:57] <mapps> ugh
[08:57] <mapps> 400kb/s
[08:57] <mapps> on VM atm, why's it so slow
[08:57] <neuro> it's a black cherry flavour rather than the red cherry that you get in full fat cherry coke
[08:58] <mapps> wish i could link my VM + BT
[08:58] <mapps> but feels like it'd be too much effort
[08:58] <Myrtti> mapps: no, just plain tea too http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=256431702
[08:58]  * neuro hugs his 2x80Mbps VDSL2 lines and wanders off for BACON
[09:03] <bashrc> I had a continental/Yorkshire breakfast
[09:05] <Knightwise> popey: what was the url again (it scrolled offscreen)
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Ask A Question Day! :-D
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Why?
[09:13] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, what?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> how?
[09:13] <JamesTait> Who wants to know?
[09:13] <nigelb> Oh, the Answer a Question day is on Monday?
[09:14] <JamesTait> nigelb, where did you hear that?
[09:14] <JamesTait> Is anyone keeping track of these questions, so we can answer them on Monday?
[09:15] <JamesTait> MooDoo, did you need something from me last night?
[09:15] <nigelb> JamesTait: I didn't. Do you know if it is?
[09:15] <MooDoo> JamesTait: not really, just wanted to say thnaks for posting the job advert on FB :)
[09:16] <JamesTait> MooDoo, did you see that I "liked" your comment on FB?
[09:16] <JamesTait> MooDoo, also, did you realise you just broke the chain of questions? :-P
[09:16] <JamesTait> nigelb, does such a thing even exist?
[09:17] <nigelb> Don't you think it would be a good thing to exist?
[09:18] <popey> Knightwise: google for ubuntu touch install ☻
[09:18] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yes and no
[09:19] <JamesTait> nigelb, but where will it end?
[09:19] <mapps> Knightwise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: hello
[09:28] <Knightwise> got it :) backing up now :-)
[09:30] <mapps> let me know how easy it is..i may try it after
[09:33] <Knightwise> hahah :) ok mapps :) i'll be your beta tester
[09:35] <neuro> BAAAAAAAAAACOOOOOOOOON! (to be screamed as though shouting "captain caveman")
[09:35] <MooDoo> o/ BACON!
[09:35] <neuro> i bet most of you whippersnappers won't even remember Captain Caveman without googling for it
[09:35] <Knightwise> someone needs their ADD meds
[09:35] <Knightwise> ooonga Mooonga !
[09:36]  * Knightwise remembers
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> IDDQD meds?
[09:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: IDKFA!
[09:36] <neuro> \o/
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: IDSPISPOPD
[09:36] <Knightwise> oh boy
[09:36] <Knightwise> its friday .. right ?
[09:36] <neuro> no
[09:36] <MooDoo> blast from the past :D
[09:36] <Knightwise> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD36ZhpHPpE
[09:37] <neuro> due to unforeseen technical difficulties, we've had to rollback to Thursday
[09:37] <neuro> sorry about that
[09:37] <diplo> Captain Caveman was great!
[09:39]  * Knightwise should have probably deleted the videos and mp3's off his nexus before running the backup
[09:39] <popey> CAPTAIN
[09:39] <Knightwise> CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE
[09:39] <popey>   ____    ___     _______ __  __    _    _   _ _
[09:39] <popey>  / ___|  / \ \   / / ____|  \/  |  / \  | \ | | |
[09:39] <popey> | |     / _ \ \ / /|  _| | |\/| | / _ \ |  \| | |
[09:39] <popey> | |___ / ___ \ V / | |___| |  | |/ ___ \| |\  |_|
[09:39] <popey>  \____/_/   \_\_/  |_____|_|  |_/_/   \_\_| \_(_)
[09:39] <popey>
[09:39] <Knightwise> ROFL ! ! ! !
[09:39] <MooDoo> oh dear god no, let the pain stop :)
[09:40] <neuro> ROLL AND
[09:40] <neuro>  ___   _      _      _      _   ___ ___   ___   ___  _  _ _  _
[09:40] <neuro> | _ ) /_\    /_\    /_\    /_\ / __/ _ \ / _ \ / _ \| \| | \| |
[09:40] <neuro> | _ \/ _ \  / _ \  / _ \  / _ \ (_| (_) | (_) | (_) | .` | .` |
[09:40] <neuro> |___/_/ \_\/_/ \_\/_/ \_\/_/ \_\___\___/ \___/ \___/|_|\_|_|\_|
[09:41] <MooDoo> http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/caveman.jpg
[09:41] <Knightwise> remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOKAU8chsAA
[09:41] <neuro> bravestarr was rubbish
[09:41] <Knightwise> our comic book store had all the action figures in a collection last week
[09:42] <directhex> any train nerds in here?
[09:42] <Knightwise> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmlSNvOQnkE  And this
[09:43] <Knightwise> proto he-man
[09:43] <neuro> discount buck rogers
[09:44] <Knightwise> LOL
[09:44] <Knightwise> true
[09:44]  * Knightwise watched some star trek animated series last week
[09:44] <MooDoo> biddy biddy biddy
[09:45] <Knightwise> gill gerard was cool in his day
[09:45] <neuro> this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExC6OEQazrc - is still the greatest kids tv show of the 80s though
[09:45] <neuro> gil gerard has been popping up in the star trek new voyages / phase II fan series
[09:45] <MooDoo> I loved that
[09:45] <ali1234> ahahaha YES
[09:46] <MooDoo> neuro: my fave show ever!!!!!! http://youtu.be/U6Ng7VMqet0
[09:46] <ali1234> gotta love weird puppets
[09:46] <neuro> EEEEY OOOP LITTLE OLD LAAAADYYYYY
[09:46] <MooDoo> hehe
[09:47] <Knightwise> he
[09:47] <Knightwise> i htought that show was called Bomber-X
[09:47] <neuro> Knightwise: it was
[09:47] <neuro> but the dubbed UK version was redone
[09:48] <neuro> GREAT SPOTTED DRAAAAAGONNNN!
[09:49] <Knightwise> cool , nice to find that
[09:49] <Knightwise> I think i should download a couple of epps
[09:49] <neuro> same as Battle of the Planets was really Science Ninja Team Gatchaman, with some added bits (mainly 7-Zark-7)
[09:53] <Knightwise> i LOVED battle of the planets
[09:53] <Knightwise> I hated that little robot though
[09:53] <neuro> you'd probably love Gatchaman then, since he's not in it ;)
[09:54] <Knightwise> this is the french intro to "star fleet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiScuDJPR2g
[09:55] <Knightwise> looking back .. its terrible
[09:55] <neuro> wow, that's cheesy
[09:56] <ali1234> that looks more like the closing titles
[09:56] <Knightwise> i know , because of french cultural law 80% of tv shows need to be in french
[09:56] <Knightwise> so they dubbed EVERYTHING
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> dubbing should be a capital crime
[09:57] <bashrc> magic roundabout?
[09:57] <Knightwise> without a doubt : the worst one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNX1NRC7q0
[09:57] <neuro> this is the japanese original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GisZ07wsiVY
[09:58] <neuro> i think we got the best deal to be honest
[09:59] <neuro> and yeah, that was the closing credits
[09:59] <neuro> opening credits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umubCnZ4PRY
[10:01] <ali1234> did anyone else watch the japanese thunderbirds cartoon?
[10:01] <neuro> Thunderbirds 2086?
[10:01] <ali1234> yes
[10:02] <neuro> haha
[10:02] <neuro> original title was 科学救助隊テクノボイジャ
[10:02] <neuro> Scientific Rescue Team Techno Voyager
[10:02] <neuro> "loosely inspired", but ITC bought the UK rights and rebranded it Thunderbirds
[10:03] <Knightwise> I think i remember that
[10:03] <ali1234> it used to be on kids tv in the 80s...
[10:04] <neuro> i don't remember watching it
[10:04] <neuro> interesting though that the UK opening titles are like terrahawks ...
[10:04] <ali1234> well i expect those are totally original
[10:05] <neuro> ?
[10:05] <neuro> well duh
[10:05] <ali1234> the "computer" graphics stuff
[10:05] <neuro> since the japanese original wasn't called Thunderbirds 2086 :)
[10:05] <Knightwise> youtube-dl .. i love you
[10:06] <neuro> TB actually stood for "TechnoBoyager" but obviously a homage to "Thunderbird"
[10:06] <neuro> japanese opening titles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yzMSTsKbhk
[10:07] <neuro> oh, same music, heh
[10:08] <ali1234> they don't make kids shows like this any more
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <ali1234> about 20 people were killed in the first 5 minutes
[10:09] <neuro> not in western cartoons
[10:09] <neuro> in fact that was one of the things they edited out of Gatchaman when making Battle of the Planets
[10:10] <ali1234> yeah i guess what i meant was they don't SHOW kids tv like this any more
[10:11] <ali1234> HAHAHA "stun gun" - yeah right
[10:12] <davmor2> neuro: reminds me more of battle of the planets :)
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:18] <mapps> morning
[10:18] <brobostigon> morning mapps
[10:20] <bashrc> I vaguely remember battle of the planets
[10:20] <bashrc> wasn't it a cartoon in which htere were a lot of exploding space ships?
[10:21] <awilkins> Yeah, and again, five young people
[10:21] <awilkins> What is it with Japan and teams of 5 young people
[10:21] <davmor2> neuro: or battle of the planets merged with thunderbirds maybe :D
[10:21] <bashrc> fab 5
[10:21] <awilkins> BATTLE OF THE THUNDERBIRDS
[10:22] <bashrc> they should have crossed battle of the planets with the magic roundabout
[10:29] <mapps> sweet
[10:29] <mapps> new laptop screen arrived!
[10:29] <mapps> only ordered it yesterday:)
[10:29] <brobostigon> :)
[10:30] <MooDoo> wow that's quick
[10:40] <jussi> nice
[10:55] <mapps> ya
[10:55] <mapps> but
[10:55] <mapps> they are only up the road judging by the postcode
[10:56] <mapps> yea 30mins in a car
[11:01] <davmor2> mapps: maybe drive there next time and it will be 30 mins rather than an entire day ;)
[11:03] <mapps> i dont have a car :(
[11:03] <mapps> so itd be a nice long walk heh
[11:15] <jussi> Cool, Katherine Legge will be racing in Formula E! :D http://www.fiaformulae.com/drivers
[11:33] <directhex> electric racing series? fancy
[11:34] <directhex> and hooray. the lack of female drivers in motorsports is silly, especially considering small lightweight drivers are preferred
[11:37] <directhex> hmph, the test driver for our local team died. that's sad.
[11:38] <jussi> directhex: oh thats crap :/
[11:38] <jussi> but yeah, the Electric series looks really interesting.
[11:38] <jussi> Should spell a lot of development in batteries and so on
[11:40] <directhex> jussi, she had a nasty crash in 2012, apparently caused her to not wake up in late 2013
[11:40] <jussi> directhex: ouch. Has happened to the best of them though
[11:41] <mapps> what is forumla e?
[11:41] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_de_Villota
[11:43] <jussi> mapps: like formula 1, but electric
[11:44] <directhex> most motorsport is in the local area here
[11:44] <directhex> which is probably something to do with silverstone being down the road
[11:47] <jussi> directhex: I went and drove a mclaren the other day :D
[11:47] <jussi> (at 3 sisters in wigan
[11:50] <directhex> anyone have a 4000-series or older radeon?
[11:52] <jussi> not I, mostly intel with a smattering of nvidia here
[11:52] <brobostigon> yes, loads of motorsport around here.
[11:54] <Dave2> poor women, why did you deliberately run them over
[12:00] <brobostigon> it seems sad really, if comedians have nothing better to do, the bbc commisions them to do chat shows.
[12:05] <awilkins> Yeah, but it's discovered that if you fire them they become political activists (Russell Brand)
[12:14] <brobostigon> russell brand shouldnt have anyhting to do with either imo.
[12:15] <brobostigon> he is a nut.
[12:17] <jussi> mmmm... hot english mustard
[12:18] <jussi> also, horseradish sauce is something I need to see if I can find here...
[12:18] <jussi> Myrtti: know if its possible to get it here?
[12:23] <mapps> hm
[12:23] <mapps> installed fedora on my desktop and now its not got vista listed in the boot menu for grub
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> mapps: does it also ahve a Windows partition?
[12:24] <mapps> yea
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> or a recovery partition
[12:24] <mapps> it shows windows 7
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> heh.. someone's detection is outdated
[12:24] <mapps> what a pain
[12:24] <mapps> so i need to manually edit grub
[12:25] <davmor2> brobostigon: A well educated Nut :)
[12:26] <brobostigon> davmor2: good point, yes.
[12:27] <davmor2> I find it mildly amusing that most comedians are university graduates as are most ageing rockstars :D
[12:27] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: the stupid rockstars drugged themselves into an early grave?
[12:29] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha
[12:29] <awilkins> More like the working class guys didn't have time to practise guitar
[12:30] <mapps> hmm
[12:30] <mapps> os-prober only finding windows 7
[12:31] <brobostigon> keith moon, for example.
[12:33] <jussi> ooh, cool, there will be an event in london (formula e)
[12:41] <jussi> fair bit of wind here now...
[12:46] <brobostigon> 5mph wind here.
[12:56] <davmor2> awilkins: more like working class guys could afford the instruments
[12:59] <brobostigon> like mark knopfler.
[13:03] <jussi> brobostigon: we've got somewhere about a 7 on the beaufort scale.
[13:03] <jussi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale
[13:04] <jussi> maybe an 8
[13:07] <brobostigon> jussi: i shall have to work out how to convert the scales.
[13:07] <jussi> :D
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> Wind speeds are always in "Beaufort scale" numbers on weather reports here in .nl
[13:08] <brobostigon> i think i saw a way to display beaufort scaling on my pebbles weather app.
[13:10] <brobostigon> how could i abbreviate beaufort to fit on my watchface?
[13:10] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpcAd__qHP0 Baufort scale sketch from mitchell & webb...
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> they have a sketch for everything
[13:12] <popey> indeed they do
[13:12] <popey> its one of my faves
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> the homeopathic a&e one is also a classic
[13:12] <popey> i used to go to sleep listening to mitchell & webb
[13:13] <mapp> ah no cbs reality here
[13:13] <mapp> grmpf..no judge judy for me today
[14:15] <Myrtti> jussi: http://www.punnitse.fi/ http://www.littlebritannia.fi/
[14:15] <Myrtti> jussi: make your own mustard from the powder
[14:16] <MooDoo> anyone playing riddling?
[14:16] <jussi> Myrtti: mustard I have. the horseradish sauce...
[14:16] <jussi> (hot english mustard is available in select citimarkets)
[14:16] <Myrtti> I'd be amazed if P&S or LB didn't have them
[14:17] <jussi> Myrtti: do the finns have an equivalent? "finnish version" ?
[14:17] <jussi> I have no idea what horseradish is in finnish...
[14:17] <Myrtti> piparjuuri
[14:18] <Myrtti> https://fi.foodie.fm/#!/entry/6417808347512
[14:18] <Myrtti> https://fi.foodie.fm/#!/entry/8712566423392
[14:20] <diddledan> lol @ the name "crème bonjour" - literally "cream hello" or "cream good day"
[14:21] <diddledan> did I spell cream right? I can spell crème fine, but doing it in my native language?
[14:27] <jussi> Myrtti: OH NOM. lets see if it tastse anything like what it should taste like... :D
[14:30] <bashrc> has anyone commented on Shuttleworth's beard?
[14:30] <jussi> bashrc: Ive seen many comments...
[14:31] <jussi> but do feel free :P
[14:32] <bashrc> I think it's an improvement
[14:44] <daftykins> i think it looks unprofessional
[14:44] <daftykins> unless you mean he's done something with it of late
[14:45] <popey> did you see him see why he did it?
[14:45] <daftykins> nah
[14:46] <popey> someone he knows got stopped by the TSA for hours.. when the guy left (was 100% innocent) he asked the TSA why they stopped him, the TSA guy said "to be honest, it was the beard"
[14:46] <daftykins> hahaha
[14:46] <popey> mark flies a lot, so i think he is trolling the TSA
[14:46] <popey> hoping to get stopped ☻
[14:46] <popey> he used to have a t-shirt that said "I am not a terrorist" in arabic on it
[14:46] <daftykins> XD
[14:47] <popey> I guess if you travel a lot like he does, you get bored at customs ☻
[14:47] <diddledan> lol
[14:47]  * diddledan fondles his own beard
[14:48] <daftykins> if you ever see me in the big slopey queue at Gatwick, prepare to cry as i walk past all the queues and nip down the little 'Channel Island flights only' side bit ;)
[14:48] <daftykins> total bypass \o/
[14:48] <daftykins> wow my client is seriously lucky
[14:48] <daftykins> i managed to find this on ebay...
[14:48] <daftykins> www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Vaio-vgn-tt-keyboard-palm-rest-touch-pad-/111299104398
[14:49] <daftykins> £14 to get a replacement keyboard for his water damaged one \o/
[14:50] <popey> Myrtti: \o/ foldio on its way!
[14:50] <diplo> UK only daftykins - not causing you any issues for channel islands ?
[14:50] <daftykins> diplo: probably won't, we have postcodes so we kind of get the benefit of the doubt in such circumstances
[14:51] <diplo> :)
[14:51] <daftykins> i would rage if not
[14:54] <mapps> why does every idiot and their mum think they should go to ascot and cheltenham yet the rest of the year they dont care about horseracing at all
[14:54] <diddledan> mapps: for ladies' day
[14:55] <diddledan> it's a special celebration of hats
[14:55] <mapps> but todays just cheltenham day 2 and the papers show the usual tarted up girls and idiot guys in suits
[14:55] <diddledan> yeah well they're toffs or toff-wanabes :-p
[14:55] <mapps> dont see the point in going..I hated chester..having to wear a suit in the royal enclosure and paying more to do so?
[14:56] <mapps> 35 quid and HAD towear a suit normal tattersals like 10 quid wear anything
[14:57] <diddledan> nowt like paying money to be told what to wear
[14:57] <mapps> lol yea
[14:57] <mapps> pay more to be told i have to wear a suit and tie..and beer costs 4.50
[14:57] <diddledan> ouch
[14:57] <mapps> and you can bet with the on course robbers....betfairs always better
[14:59] <directhex> i am bringing ye olde steamose back to life, under a new name
[15:00] <diddledan> lol @ on-course robbers with their refreshing little lifts (tic-tacs)
[15:00] <diddledan> directhex: valve shirking again?
[15:01] <directhex> diddledan, well, some stuff needs better coverage than it has right now, and r4 doesn't work properly anymore afaik
[15:01] <directhex> diddledan, so at least i need a "this is the same as valve" release
[15:01] <diddledan> aah
[15:02] <directhex> but i want to go further than that
[15:02] <directhex> first thing to do is rebuild my scripts, more or less from scratch, to handle being run from the .iso not the .zip
[15:04] <diddledan> not a bad kickstarter return: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/weebl/the-savlonic-album
[15:04] <diddledan> just shy of 35k when they wanted 12.5k
[15:09] <dwatkins> Kickstarter never ceases to amaze me.
[15:22] <directhex> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/25
[15:26]  * bigcalm wobbles in and out of existence
[15:26] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, I noticed
[15:27] <diddledan> bigcalm: awesome, how do you manage that, 'cos I want to be able to do it, too :-)
[15:27] <bigcalm> diddledan: put an offer in on a house while your wife is out. I'm not sure if I should be alive or not right now
[15:28] <diddledan> bigcalm: eek
[15:28] <diddledan> that's scary stuff right there
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: wibble
[15:31] <diddledan> davmor2: if you had underpants on your head and a pencil stuffed up each nostril then I might think you were going mad
[15:32] <davmor2> diddledan: it was aimed squarely at * bigcalm wobbles in and out of existence I think he has the underpants on his head and pencils up his nose :D
[15:33] <diddledan> as long as there are underpants and pencils somewhere I'll be happy
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: more importantly why is diddledan not outraged at his wife being not only at your house but now out ;)
[15:37] <diddledan> lmao I missed that
[15:38] <diddledan> and there's a reason to delete a line and retype instead of repurposing something that's half-written
[15:39]  * bigcalm shakes his head
[15:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: it'll be fine as long as it is the house she loves and you like :)
[15:39] <bigcalm> Ha
[15:39] <bigcalm> We both love it
[15:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: better still
[15:40] <bigcalm> directhex: ratio 100 - can I stop seeding this torrent yet? ;)
[15:42] <daftykins> XD
[15:42] <daftykins> bigcalm: apparently it doesn't work anymore so it could be wise XD
[15:45] <ali1234> why not?
[15:51] <bigcalm> Goodness me. People are still downloading it from me
[15:51] <bigcalm> 2 connections, one at 24% one at 76%
[15:51] <daftykins> :>
[15:52] <diddledan> bigcalm: shame you can't send them a message
[15:52] <daftykins> oh no? ;)
[15:52] <diddledan> like windows' net send only via bittorrent
[15:54] <ali1234> you used to be able to do that on kazaa...
[15:54] <ali1234> or one of those things
[15:54] <diddledan> really. don't google "rule 34".
[15:55] <diddledan> that's scary
[15:55] <ali1234> why would you do that
[15:55] <bigcalm> Why wouldn't you do that?
[15:55] <diddledan> I need eyebleach now
[15:56] <daftykins> the nsfw search? :P
[15:56] <diddledan> yeah I don't have safesearch turned on
[15:56] <ali1234> but
[15:56] <diddledan> maybe that would be a good idea for the futures
[15:57] <ali1234> surely you must have known what you were getting in to?
[15:57] <diddledan> nope, I'd not heard of rule34 before
[15:57] <diddledan> which is scary in itself
[16:01] <TwistedLucidity> Why are people discussing "Rule 34" in a familty-friendly channel? There could be children reading. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
[16:01] <TwistedLucidity>  /daily-mail
[16:01] <awilkins> Rule 34 says that someone somewhere IS thinking of the children.
[16:02] <awilkins> And that there is a website devoted to publishing pictures of this person's musings
[16:02] <diddledan> I mentioned it as a public service announcement for the children to know what to avoid
[16:06] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I am sure Cameron rescinded Rule 34; so we are all safe.
[16:07] <bashrc> what is "rule 34"?  It sounds like a Wolfram automaton
[16:08] <daftykins> if you can think of it, there's a grumble flick of it
[16:08] <daftykins> to use theregister's terminology
[16:42] <Knightwise> hey everyone
[16:42] <Knightwise> I seem to have a hard time getting the nexus 7 into the bootloader menu
[16:50] <brobostigon> adb reboot bootloader    , would do it.
[17:09] <Knightwise> brobostigon: i moved up a step
[17:10] <brobostigon> Knightwise: clarify.
[17:10] <Knightwise> I forgot to boot it into bootloader
[17:10] <brobostigon> ok,
[17:10] <mapps> how far along are you with it now Knightwise
[17:11] <Knightwise> I just unlocked the bootloader
[17:11] <Knightwise> i'm at step 4
[17:12] <Knightwise> downloading the image
[17:12] <brobostigon> have you flashed custom recovery?
[17:12] <Knightwise> erm ...
[17:13] <Knightwise> what do you mean by that ?
[17:13] <Knightwise> i entered ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap
[17:13] <brobostigon> something like CWM ?
[17:13] <Knightwise> nope , i just followed the steps on the wiki
[17:13] <brobostigon> ok, i havent actually flashed ubuntu touch, so couldnt tell you about that.
[17:14] <Knightwise> to boldly go ... :)
[17:14] <Knightwise> i now see a home screen with an ubuntu logo.
[17:14] <Knightwise> its rebooting the recovery from flash it says
[17:14] <Knightwise> booting
[17:14] <Knightwise> nice ubuntu logo :p
[17:15] <Knightwise> taking its sweet time :p
[17:16]  * Knightwise gonna get coffee
[17:16] <mapps> nice
[17:18] <Knightwise> ok , i seem to et a question here
[17:18] <Knightwise> ROM may flash stock recovery on boot
[17:18] <Knightwise> Yes : disable recovery from flash
[17:18] <Knightwise> or NO
[17:19] <Knightwise> brobostigon:  ? any advice ?
[17:19] <brobostigon> not sure, sorry.
[17:19] <daftykins> stock recovery might break something
[17:19] <daftykins> Knightwise: try #ubuntu-touch
[17:19] <brobostigon> good idea batman, ask the experts.
[17:20] <diddledan> seems sophos and os x don't mix
[17:20] <diddledan> http://openforum.sophos.com/t5/Sophos-Anti-Virus-for-Mac-Home/Sophos-9-causes-Mavericks-to-freeze/m-p/16279#M7456
[17:20]  * Knightwise dashing over there
[18:27] <diddledan> I may have shared this before, can't remember. but: http://grahamcluley.com/2014/02/pregnant-wifes-medical-equipment-windows-xp-chkdsk
[18:28] <diddledan> (I'm cleaning my inbox)
[18:38] <popey> hehe, not seen that before
[18:39] <ali1234> why would a piece of medical equipment be connected to the internet?
[18:40] <diddledan> ali1234: bad network design
[18:40] <bigcalm> ARGH
[18:40] <bigcalm> Modal box covering whole screen. Good by website
[18:41] <ali1234> the internet sucks
[18:41] <diddledan> ali1234: they may network it so that the nurses station can duplicate the information and the idiot network designer might wire their desktops and therefore the internet into the same segment
[18:41] <ali1234> yes, i suppose
[18:42] <diddledan> similar to how you end up with air conditioners exposed to the internet allowing large companies to be pwned because they didn't know their aircon was vulnerable to attack
[18:44] <diddledan> I believe there was a thanksgiving issue last year of just that exact thing happening. hackers took control of air-con in stores and from there they had unrestricted access to the billing systems because the stores thought that behind the firewall was safe to leave the billing system unrestricted
[18:44] <popey> hah
[18:44] <diddledan> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/target-hackers-broke-in-via-hvac-company/
[18:45] <popey> oh thats the target breach? blimey
[18:45] <ali1234> that's some william gibson shiz right there
[19:04] <mapps> yea
[19:05] <mapps> read that a while back, the aircon company had remote access to monitor the systems
[19:10] <shauno> worth noting that doesn't mean the aircon was exposed to the internet; it means the partner company had access to target's network
[19:11] <ali1234> yeah
[19:12] <diddledan> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/13/google_cloud_price_cuts/
[19:12] <diddledan> google has undercut it's own storage
[19:13] <diddledan> shauno: good point
[19:13] <davmor2> Tainted Love what a classic
[19:13] <diddledan> it looks like it was a poorly guarded password to gain access to the network in target's case
[19:14] <ali1234> my guess would be an inside job
[19:14] <ali1234> by someone at the contractor
[19:15] <ali1234> either that or a complicated heist involving dressing up like air-conditioner repair men and installing hardware backdoors
[19:15] <popey> company I worked for got done over by people dressed as aircon engineers
[19:15] <ali1234> possibly a combination of both
[19:15] <popey> came in on a saturday and took half the RAM out of every PC in the building
[19:15] <ali1234> "oops, i accidentally-on-purpose plugged our monitoring system into the company network"
[19:16] <ali1234> "easily done, the ports are like right next to each other"
[19:16] <diddledan> in unrelated musings. with a bit of cutting and wrenching, the box that RS ship their RasPis in serves as a suitable run-time case once you can get the cables through the bodywork with the aforementioned cutting
[19:16] <daftykins> :D
[19:16] <daftykins> didn't fancy a cheap cute case?
[19:17] <diddledan> I fancy a better case, but this gets me up-n-running quickly
[19:18] <ali1234> all you really need is anonymous to pull a fake terror alert on black friday and you basically have the first half of neuromancer
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDZS7iYNsA
[19:24] <ali1234> the thing about attacks that disrupt the internet is that they are self-limiting
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: true, but they're still annoying :)
[19:25] <ali1234> yeah but that's about it for most people
[19:26] <diddledan> erm, I don't like his representation of IRC being for hackers
[19:26] <ali1234> why?
[19:26] <diddledan> are you a hacker?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: have you seen ircnet?
[19:26] <ali1234> yes.
[19:26] <diddledan> as in the media representation of hacker
[19:26] <ali1234> arguably
[19:27] <diddledan> what would more correctly be termed cracker
[19:27] <mapps> urgh gonna have to go for a nap in a bit
[19:27] <mapps> cant stop yawning;/
[19:28] <ali1234> i have the skills. i just don't use them for evil
[19:29] <diddledan> but would you consider that IRC is purely for hacker-types?
[19:30] <ali1234> pretty much that and the occasional newb who wanders in by mistake
[19:30] <diddledan> lol
[19:30] <mapps> lol
[19:31] <MooDoo> hello all
[19:31] <MooDoo> anyone on ubuntu 14.04 and updated to the latest version?
[19:32] <diddledan> lol @ that video though, it's an entertaining explanation of the problem
[19:32] <MooDoo> after the latest update i've no unity :(
[19:32] <MooDoo> bug 1292396
[19:33] <mapps> will watch the vid in a sec..then its a quick 2-3hr nap for me
[19:33] <ali1234> "xubuntu user unaffected"
[19:35] <ali1234> i've got a question: when we get systemd and it's awesome containers, will we finally be able to easily deploy a proper juju cloud on a single dedicated server?
[19:35] <ali1234> i know you can sort of do it now, but it's not very good...
[19:37] <MooDoo> ah well looks like i'm not the only one unity is broken for :D
[19:37] <DJones> I won't bother with todays updates then
[19:38] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah for my laptop unity won't load at all, just takes you to the desktop wallpaper, you can ctrl-alt-f1 to get a new login or ctrl alt t to get a terminal but that's all ;)
[19:41] <MooDoo> ah well i'll just update tomorrow, it's no biggy :D
[19:41] <DJones> Seems to be a few mentions in +1 for that issue as well
[19:42] <MooDoo> ah well
[19:43] <MooDoo> it's not really an issue as I can multi boot into *gasp* Windows ;)
[19:44] <popey> MooDoo: can you login to a guest session?
[19:44] <MooDoo> popey: ooo not tried hang on let me check
[19:47] <MooDoo> popey: same result, just takes you to a unity less desktop but you can ctrl alt t to get a terminal
[19:47] <popey> MooDoo: what video card?
[19:48] <MooDoo> nvidia but i'm not using any drivers so just default driver that comes with it [not sure]
[19:48] <popey> as the broken user, does "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" pull in any new packages?
[19:48] <zleap> nv or nuvoux or something
[19:49] <popey> nouveau
[19:49] <zleap> yeah
[19:49] <davmor2> nueveau
[19:49] <davmor2> close
[19:49] <diddledan> nouveau - learn french! :-p
[19:49] <davmor2> diddledan: No :P
[19:49] <diddledan> roughly translated = modern or new
[19:50] <zleap> yeag
[19:50] <diddledan> blarg
[19:50] <zleap> i did get the beta drivers working though
[19:50] <zleap> work fine
[19:50] <MooDoo> popey: 0 upgraded, 963 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:50] <MooDoo> Need to get 466 MB of archives.
[19:50] <zleap> ouch
[19:50] <diddledan> MooDoo: upgrading to 14.04?
[19:50] <popey> MooDoo: yeah, do that
[19:50] <MooDoo> diddledan: already am on 14.04
[19:51] <MooDoo> downloading.
[19:51] <diddledan> MooDoo: 963 newly installed? what you doing?!
[19:51] <MooDoo> diddledan: I just apt-get updated download the latest updates to trusty and it's broken unity
[19:52] <diddledan> aah, does the caret (^) on the end of a package tell apt to install the entire dependency tree again?
[19:52] <diddledan> if so I'm gonna have to remember that - seems like a great capability
[19:53] <diddledan> on gentoo the equivalent is `emerge --empty-tree world` aka `emerge -e world` where world means every package currently installed
[19:53] <diddledan> or rather than currently installed but "previously requested to be installed"
[19:54] <diddledan> like apt's "manually installed" option vs "automatically installed" to allow for `apt-get autoremove`
[19:55] <diddledan> I really should unlearn some of my Gentoo knowledge
[19:58] <Monotoko> 7500th September 1993
[19:58] <diddledan> o_O
[19:59] <Monotoko> my Ubuntu box at work seems to have subscribed to the idea of eternal september
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: lots of noobs on it?
[20:06] <MooDoo> popey: no dice, but don't worry about it :)  I can wait for updates lol
[20:06] <popey> MooDoo: did you reboot?
[20:06] <MooDoo> yeah
[20:07] <MooDoo> first I pkill'd the user, then rebooted still no unity
[20:07] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS, could say that - my co-worker tried to "fix" my graphics driver
[20:07] <Monotoko> so it doesn't even POST
[20:07] <Monotoko> *now
[20:08] <MooDoo> popey last think in dmesg is init: Failed to spawn hybrid-gfx main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory not sure if it's related
[20:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: so you have an optimus gfx card?
[20:11] <MooDoo> davmor2: no nvidia
[20:11] <MooDoo> but i'm looking in this file x-0-greeter.log
[20:12] <MooDoo>  unity-greeter.vala:581: Got a SIGTERM
[20:12] <MooDoo> ** (unity-settings-daemon:1182): WARNING **: Name taken or bus went away - shutting down
[20:12] <MooDoo> and hello davmor2 :D
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> so it.. missed the bus? :)
[20:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: do lspci | grep VGA
[20:13] <MooDoo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [NVS 3100M] (rev a2)
[20:15] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: you wait for an hour for a bus and then three come along at once
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes, tell that to unity
[20:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: /var/log/lightdm x-0-greeter.log - http://pastebin.com/67y3e1sd
[20:17] <diddledan> hybrid-gfx suggests it _thinks_ you've got an optimus frankenstein?
[20:17] <diddledan> really, what idiot thought that optimus was a good idea?
[20:18] <MooDoo> diddledan: it's a prime name if you ask me ;)
[20:18] <diddledan> the name is fine, it's the technology that I take issue with
[20:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: no that is the name of the switching driver
[20:18] <DJones> diddledan: Seems to work fine for me on 14.04, although I've avoided todays updates after previous comments
[20:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: I know i was jesting, did you see my pastebin?
[20:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: I did all gibberish to me :)
[20:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: did you get any updates at all?
[20:19] <diddledan> davmor2: you mean double MartijnVdS (dutch)?
[20:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: ubuntu-desktop all up to date, apt-get update ; dist-upgrade all up to date
[20:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: lots of people mentioning it in +1
[20:20] <davmor2> I blame popey
[20:20] <MooDoo> lol
[20:22] <ali1234> MooDoo: that log file is only for the login screen
[20:23] <ali1234> have a look in ~/.cache/upstart
[20:23] <ali1234> that's where all the session logs go
[20:24] <MooDoo> (unity-panel-service:1877): Gtk-WARNING **: Cannot create custom menu item of type 'unity.widgets.systemsettings.tablet.accesspoint'
[20:24] <MooDoo> :)
[20:25] <ali1234> only a warning...
[20:25] <ali1234> how long have you been on +1?
[20:26] <MooDoo> ages, all this has happened since I dist-upgraded earlier on
[20:26] <ali1234> there was a bug a while back that caused the unity8 preview to get installed when it shouldn't have been
[20:26] <ali1234> that might possibly be conflicting somehow
[20:26] <ali1234> it even got installed on my xubuntu somehow
[20:27] <MooDoo> ali1234: ok thanks, having a play :D
[20:27] <ali1234> i was like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRX6LXDpWs
[20:54] <popey> MooDoo: is unity installed?
[20:54] <popey> apt-cache policy unity
[20:54] <DJones> MooDoo: Have a look at this thread on the mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-March/037420.html
[20:55] <DJones> MooDoo: Last message in the thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-March/037424.html "The problem is in, or associated with,
[20:55] <DJones> lightdm, but stopping and restarting it made no difference. Currently, I
[20:55] <DJones> have altered the default desktop manager to gdm.  This works, but I
[20:55] <DJones> really don't like it!
[20:55] <DJones> That seems like the same problem
[21:04] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: you around?
[21:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've just done a dist-upgrade and everything is good here?
[21:25] <daubers> Evening
[21:25] <zenpho> howdy doo
[21:28] <bashrc> is that a dist-upgrade to trusty?
[21:32] <daftykins> dist-upgrade doesn't mean going between distros
[21:32] <daftykins> it means grabbing *all* the latest packages for a given one
[21:36] <directhex> the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that upgrade will never remove an old package if required by an update to an existing one - let's say you have foo 1.0 which depends on libfoo1, and then an update comes for foo 2.0 which depends on libfoo2 - upgrade will not upgrade you to foo 2.0, but dist-upgrade will
[21:36] <zenpho> handy to know
[21:37] <zenpho> i've always been very cautious to experiment with apt actions - i'm nervous about getting into a state where things are broken
[21:39] <popey> dont use apt then ☻
[21:39] <popey> Software Updater is for you ☻
[21:39] <popey> even though it has a stupid name
[21:40] <diddledan> does what it say on the tin
[21:40] <popey> still sounds like a bad shareware app from 20 years ago.
[21:40] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I am here now, sup?
[21:40] <diddledan> aah shareware, how I miss thee
[21:41] <diddledan> or not
[21:41] <directhex> doom was shareware.
[21:41] <directhex> let us not mock shareware
[21:41] <diddledan> now it's open source
[21:41] <popey> i am not mocking shareware
[21:41] <zenpho> archive.org has a huge collection of shovelware-shareware now
[21:41] <popey> i am mocking software updater and _bad_ shareware
[21:41] <diddledan> my favourite shareware used to be getright
[21:41] <popey> kde also always makes me think of cover disks from the past
[21:42] <popey> oh blimey
[21:42] <directhex> i used getright!
[21:42] <popey> I'd forgotten getright!
[21:42] <zenpho> or was that textfiles.com - i forget... very interesting to browse thru
[21:42] <popey> i used that to grab mame roms back in uh...1997
[21:42] <directhex> best way to download half-life patchs when your modem disconnected every 120 minutes
[21:42] <popey> maybe?
[21:42] <daftykins> i still own getright :D
[21:42] <daftykins> got it installed right now in fact
[21:42] <diddledan> popey: not so much mame, but I used it around the same era
[21:42] <directhex> think i used it to grab beos 5 personal edition too
[21:42] <popey> i used to download stuff and put it on zip disks ☻
[21:42] <popey> connected via parallel port
[21:42] <daftykins> D:
[21:42] <diddledan> zip disks?! wow
[21:42] <daftykins> haha
[21:43] <zenpho> was "paint shop pro" shareware?
[21:43] <daftykins> with the crazy printer passthrough
[21:43] <diddledan> I wasn't aware anybody ever used those
[21:43] <popey> i had 3!
[21:43] <popey> one was onboard ide
[21:43] <popey> an external parallel (for taking to work) and a scsi one
[21:43] <daftykins> i had a client that backed up to them but the drive died eventually
[21:43]  * popey looks for a photo
[21:43] <popey> click-death
[21:43] <zenpho> I think I still have a jaz drive - successor to zip drive - used it a lot with my Akai sampler
[21:44] <directhex> scsi was best
[21:44] <diddledan> I'm trying to remember the name of the competitor to zip
[21:44] <directhex> the parallel zip didn't work if you also had a parallel scanner and parallel printer
[21:44] <directhex> diddledan, ls120
[21:44] <popey> My first CD burner was a 2x SCSI one
[21:44] <popey> sat under my display
[21:44] <daftykins> :D
[21:44] <diddledan> was more like removable hdd iirc
[21:44] <diddledan> rather than tape
[21:44] <directhex> iomega had a super cheap scsi card, the zip zoom, for scsi zip drives
[21:45] <directhex> zip+zoom was basically plug & play compared to parallel nightmare
[21:45] <diddledan> aah, maybe it was syquest
[21:45] <daftykins> iomega had jaz zdrives too right?
[21:46] <daftykins> *jazz
[21:46] <zenpho> i think just one z
[21:46] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah, zip and jazz were both iomega things
[21:46] <directhex> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Iomega_jaz-2-GB-Laufwerk_01_KMJ.jpg
[21:46] <diddledan> and, according to wiki it is only one Z, as zenpho suggests
[21:46] <directhex> media was like £100 though
[21:47] <popey> http://imgur.com/I9kXAla
[21:47] <popey> so much crap tech in that picture from my den
[21:47] <daftykins> ah, i did write it with one then put a second in the wrong place
[21:47] <popey> old sony laptop, pcmcia network card, old 486 dell
[21:47] <popey> and a cat
[21:47] <daftykins> the cat is not crap tech :(
[21:47] <daftykins> admittedly he or she was only running on 4 paws at the time
[21:47] <diddledan> teh kittie is totally cute-tech, no?
[21:48] <daftykins> *ba-dum-tish*
[21:51] <diddledan> imgur collects the most cruddiest crud of the whole internet according to the "today's best images" list
[21:51] <popey> http://imgur.com/R5Ng7ID
[21:51] <popey> ☻
[21:51] <zenpho> daftykins: two drums and a cymbal fall down the stairs.... ba-dum-tish ;o)
[21:51] <bigcalm> `.`
[21:52] <diddledan> zenpho: is that a Tim Vine?
[21:52] <bigcalm> popey: is that RMS on the t-shirt?
[21:52] <popey> yes
[21:52] <zenpho> probably yes - it's terrible but kinda clever - hallmark of Tim Vine
[21:52] <daftykins> zenpho: :D
[21:52] <bigcalm> popey: and what's happened to your hair?!
[21:53] <diddledan> and what are you doing to that poor goat?
[21:53] <popey> http://imgur.com/tyemeS6
[21:53] <popey> my pc circa 1999
[21:53] <popey> scsi cd burner...
[21:53] <diddledan> it doesn't like me
[21:53] <popey> of all the things in that picture, the only thing I still have, and is on my desk right now, is the stapler
[21:53] <diddledan> the image is broke :-(
[21:53] <daftykins> omg my 1996 pentium 1 dan had those speakers!
[21:54] <popey> ☻
[21:54] <daftykins> also, don't you guys find split level desks the spawn of satan?
[21:54] <popey> yes
[21:54] <daftykins> :D
[21:54] <popey> binned that one 10 years ago
[21:54] <daftykins> hehe
[21:54] <daftykins> and another cat no less!
[21:55] <daftykins> popey: but *gasp* - Windows!
[21:55] <diddledan> xfce?
[21:55] <diddledan> erm
[21:55] <popey> hah
[21:55] <diddledan> fvwm
[21:55] <popey> yeah
[21:55] <popey> i didnt move to linux till well after that
[21:55] <diddledan> I new it was an acronym
[21:55] <popey> http://imgur.com/qEo8ZST
[21:55] <popey> pretty sure that Dan PC has a zip drive
[21:56] <popey> above the floppy
[21:56] <popey> oh, i still have that bin ☻
[21:56] <diddledan> that looks like a zip on the left of the pc and in the base-unit a cdrom drive which required the cd in a caddy
[21:56] <daftykins> cat -> mouse
[21:57] <diddledan> plus, two PC under the desk FTW!
[21:57] <diddledan> I've got a similar setup right now (2 pc under the desk)
[21:58] <daftykins> popey: is that a black US Robotics modem atop the zip?
[21:58] <popey> yes
[21:58] <daftykins> :O!
[21:58] <popey> oh, the zip is in that one too
[21:58] <popey> scsi, daisy chained off the cdrom
[21:58] <popey> which I had to not breathe near when burning
[21:58] <diddledan> I've still got a 56k modem around here somtplace
[21:58] <daftykins> :>
[21:58] <directhex> giant altec lansing speakers
[21:59] <diddledan> s/t/e/
[21:59] <diddledan> popey: are both of those palm pdas?
[21:59] <popey> ya
[22:00] <popey> Palm 5000 and Palm IIIx
[22:00] <popey> used to love them
[22:00] <popey> ☹
[22:00] <diddledan> two because: batteries?
[22:00] <diddledan> or was one superceding?
[22:00] <popey> yeah
[22:01] <popey> i used to use it to read books before ebook readers were cool
[22:01] <diddledan> lol
[22:01] <popey> i read and re read HHGTTG while rocking sophie to bed
[22:01] <popey> which is 4 years after this pic
[22:01] <diddledan> there's loads of awesome old tech in that pic
[22:01] <diddledan> aah nostalgia
[22:01] <daftykins> :)
[22:02] <diddledan> netgear switches haven't changed in design... at all.
[22:02] <daftykins> i'm really looking forward to setting up this Lenovo X240 for my client
[22:02] <daftykins> love my Netgear GS108 \o/
[22:02] <diddledan> I want a T model
[22:02] <daftykins> i use more than 8 ports though :(
[22:02] <diddledan> smart
[22:03] <diddledan> I'm currently using 17 ethernet ports from my router + switches which includes the port on the router to the modem
[22:03] <diddledan> so 16 LANny ones
[22:04] <daftykins> crikey, that's a fair chunk more than me
[22:04] <daftykins> all that for only you or a shared place? :)
[22:04] <directhex> i have a gs116 but am not using many ports
[22:04] <diddledan> they're not all in the same segment though - I've segregated at least 3 from my lan to separate subnets/vlans
[22:05] <daftykins> directhex: they're two 8s joined aren't they?
[22:05] <diddledan> all for me :-D
[22:05] <daftykins> O_O what are all those devices? D:
[22:05] <directhex> daftykins, probably. you know that's why usb hubs are either 4 ports or 7 ports, right? 2x4 ports, with one plugged into the other internally
[22:05] <diddledan> no idea :-p
[22:06] <daftykins> directhex: i consider USB hubs an abomination
[22:09] <diddledan> I've got 1xRPi (onion router), 2xAP (wifi) 3xSwitch (using 3 ports on the router so they can potentially be discounted from the total) then I have 1xNAS PC, 1xXenServer PC, 1xPC I want to do something with but haven't decided what,, 1xRPi NTPd, 1xRPI ???, and 3 which don't seem to be illuminated right now
[22:09] <diddledan> not sure what the others are
[22:10] <diddledan> aah, 1xOpenReach Fibre-to-the-cab modem
[22:11] <diddledan> so I'm unaccounted for 3 connections?
[22:11] <diddledan> don't you love when you have no idea what "that ethernet cable" or "that screw" goes to?!
[22:12] <diddledan> aah, forgot the most obvious. the 1xMAC that I'm talking to you with
[22:13] <daftykins> :D
[22:13] <daftykins> pics!
[22:23] <diddledan> you'll have to remind me in a while, I've just put my battery on to charge so I can take a photo
[22:23] <daftykins> :>
[22:27] <diddledan> wait.. google+ auto backup for mac tells me that uploading photos with a maximum dimension of 2048px doesn't use any drive quota - i.e. the uploader says "unlimited storage at 2048px"
[22:28] <daftykins> ah-har
[22:29] <daftykins> my Nexus 4 just this second started offering me some kinda backup
[22:54] <diddledan> lol, I just got notified that an uploaded photo of mine of a christmas tree had an "auto awesome" effect applied that makes the lights twinkle
[22:54] <diddledan> on google+
[23:02] <ali1234> i think i saw that, or one like it
[23:23] <Azelphur> Is there anything handy I can get that just puts my phone in my file browser, over wifi?
[23:27] <bigcalm> Azelphur: airdroid is good but not in your file browser and it's for Android
[23:27] <Azelphur> yea that's what I've been using, it's just a pain to scan the QR code every time, would much rather have it all ready to go in the file browser
[23:28] <bigcalm> I wonder if you could set up a samba server on your phone
[23:29] <Azelphur> I know you can get ssh, but I imagine it wouldn't handle reconnects well
[23:30] <bigcalm> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.sambaserver
[23:31] <bigcalm> Just search for samba server
[23:31] <bigcalm> Lots out there
[23:31] <bigcalm> All appear to need the device rooted
[23:32] <Azelphur> fun, I guess that could work, i still don't think nautilus will handle reconnects well
[23:33] <bigcalm> Sleep now