[20:42] <jenkins> anyone know what screenshots are needed for the next release? I am trying to fix a bug in quickshot now
[20:54] <MichealH> jenkins, You could get the book and look for placeholders?
[21:28] <jenkins> MichealH: good idea I should know that really , is there a compiled one somewhere? downloading latex on my internet may take a while
[21:29] <MichealH> jenkins, Well, Im sure there is a LP version of the book
[21:29] <MichealH> Im not too sure about that
[21:30] <jenkins> I will have a look, thanks for your help
[21:36] <jenkins> godbyk: can i pause and resume the texlive download?
[21:37]  * jenkins is slowly getting back into the manual


[00:50] <WoLf> Hello everyone, I'm having an issue with Lubuntu 17.04.. Long story short, when the graphical session is started manually, there is an error with message bus and things don't work anymore (in example, the logout menu does not appear, and any key shortcut won't work). Everything worked fine in 16.04
[00:51] <WoLf> I tested it also directly from Live, on three different machines. Same result: init 3, init 5, Lubuntu broken.. on all three, with nothing changed from default.
[00:55] <WoLf> Have been struggling with this issue for a week now, if anyone could point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated.
[00:57] <wxl> problem is you're asking for something that's really a unique use case
[00:57] <wxl> no one is testing with the graphical session being started manually
[00:58] <wxl> another thing to consider is that the init system is systemd so that may have some effect on things
[00:58] <WoLf> Loading a system in text mode, and launching graphics at a second time if needed.. it's not that unheard of
[00:58] <wxl> nope, it's not
[00:59] <wxl> but it's not something we are testing
[00:59] <wxl> you might also want to check if ubuntu is having the same problems
[00:59] <WoLf> Yeah, I'm not complaining about the bug slipping through. That can be understood.
[01:00] <wxl> lubuntu has the same core (including the init system)
[01:00] <WoLf> I tried with Gnome and I did not have that issue.
[01:01] <wxl> might ask gnome what they did then :)
[01:01] <wxl> also, clarifying your problem (what's the error?) would be helpful.
[01:01] <wxl> i would suggest writing up a bug report and go from there
[01:02] <WoLf> "Unable to get connection to the message bus session"
[01:02] <wxl> what is reporting the error?
[01:02] <wxl> it's just a random message that shows up on its own?
[01:04] <WoLf> sorry, lost internet for a moment.
[01:05] <WoLf> this is what I get, as the session is started.
[01:05] <WoLf> http://i.imgur.com/EhjcmTV.png
[01:05] <WoLf> it's /999/ on a live environment.
[01:05] <wxl> did you look at the logs?
[01:06] <wxl> especially the lxsession ones (which, if i remember, hide in ~/.cache)
[01:06] <WoLf> I'm not sure at which log to look at, sorry..
[01:07] <wxl> like i said, file a bug
[01:07] <wxl> that way we can diagnose this a little more
[01:08] <WoLf> Alright, I'll try to do that =)
[01:09] <wxl> WoLf: you might want to try the suggestions for changing runlevels for systemd, e.g. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd
[01:11] <WoLf> But would that be something that changed from 16.04 to 17? I am going to read it, thanks! At least it's something else to try.. I'm regretting updating my system =(
[01:15] <WoLf> Just tested with systemctl, same result.
[01:51] <WoLf> wxl sorry to bother you again.. Under which project should I file the bug? can't see anything relevant, lubuntu-next?
[02:59] <tsimonq2> WoLf: yes
[03:54] <WoLf> tsimonq2: Thanks, yes I ended up filing it there. https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+bug/1707100
[04:46] <n-iCe> is lubuntu-next a topic in here?
[04:46] <n-iCe> or is there a new channel
[04:56] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: Yep, it's a topic
[04:57] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: Well, technically not, because we don't support it yet... but hey, why not? :)
[04:58] <n-iCe> awesome
[04:58] <n-iCe> I'm downloading it
[04:58] <n-iCe> do you use it?
[04:58] <n-iCe> have you?
[05:00] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: I use it, yeah
[05:01] <n-iCe> awesome!
[05:01] <n-iCe> Gonna install it, I'm moving it to my usb
[05:01] <n-iCe> 1.5GB
[05:01] <n-iCe> Is a bug I guess
[05:29] <n-iCe> Ok
[05:29] <n-iCe> Indont have internet
[05:29] <n-iCe> Lol
[05:29] <n-iCe> I dont see network manager
[05:30] <n-iCe> Was it replaced?
[05:45] <n-iCe> ????
[05:52] <n-iCe> Heelloooowww
[05:52] <n-iCe> Where is the new network manageeer
[05:58] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: That's a known bug
[05:59] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: That's why we mark these things as experimental :P
[05:59] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: Regardless, you have dhcpcd installed that you can work with :)
[05:59] <n-iCe> Never used it before
[05:59] <n-iCe> Also takes 7 minutes to boot haha
[06:00] <n-iCe> Just counted it
[06:00] <n-iCe> And it is already installed in hdd
[06:00] <n-iCe> Maybe is not ready for me lol
[06:01] <tsimonq2> n-iCe: Maybe not yet.
[06:01] <n-iCe> Looks great though
[06:02] <n-iCe> Solved the internet thing
[06:02] <n-iCe> With iwconfig
[06:03] <tsimonq2> Cool cool
[06:05] <n-iCe> Actually is conneted
[06:05] <n-iCe> But ping does not work
[06:06] <tsimonq2> Oh, weird
[06:06] <n-iCe> Dhcpcd wlo1
[06:06] <n-iCe> How do i detect if worked
[06:07] <n-iCe> Dhclient
[06:07] <n-iCe> Is what i wanted i think
[06:11] <n-iCe> Nop
[06:11] <n-iCe> Let me check resolv.conf
[06:12] <n-iCe> Dammit
[06:12] <n-iCe> Is connected
[06:12] <n-iCe> But no internet
[09:45] <fishcooker> tsimonq2: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/artful/alpha-2/ right?
[09:45] <fishcooker> is there any mirror for it
[09:46] <fishcooker> i tried the torrent but takes time too long to be downloaded
[10:59] <marick> I have Lubuntu minimal installation. How do I disable screen to go powersafe mode and be always on?
[11:46] <JohnDoe_71Rus> xset dpms?
[12:14] <brenth> I'm new to this zone - prior apologies if I ask "old stuff" - my problem is I have an old Dell 32-bit laptop and run Ubuntu 17.04.  When Ubuntu goes 64 bit only I want to switch to Lubuntu (32 bit) but don't want
[12:15] <brenth> to have major problems with my data.  I don't care about the apps, I'll find alternates but I don't want to lose my data.  Can I upgrade Ubuntu 17.04/17.10 to Lubuntu 17.10/18.04?
[12:22] <teward> brenth: technically yes?  But you should always take backups first.
[12:22] <LioneLL> you must install  'Lubuntu-desktop' package then update & upgrade ...
[12:22] <teward> ^ that as well
[13:00] <brenth> The word "technically" seems replete with added implications?
[13:02] <brenth> I've been working with an Ubuntu 17.04 VM - I tried to upgrade by booting the Lubuntu 17.04 iso.  That worked ... sort of in that I installed Lubuntu in a 2nd
[13:03] <brenth> partition and in parallel to Ubuntu ... so not exactly a solution
[14:12] <plaindave> Is there a way to turn off my laptop's touchpad in Lubuntu 17.04?
[14:41] <plaindave> I found out, but thanks anyway. Just typed "synclient TouchpadOff=1" and it turned off my touchpad.
[16:32] <brenth> exit
[16:32] <brenth> quit
[20:28] <tudorrr> Hello. How can I switch Lubuntu's interface much similar to OSX' one?
[20:28] <wxl> find an appropriate theme
[20:28] <wxl> i don't know of one because i've never wanted one :)
[20:28] <wxl> you can look on box-look
[20:31] <tudorrr> Ok I look
[20:35] <genii> Might want to also take a look at https://plus.google.com/+DavidBaileyDevilishDB/posts/9uDNg3xtUuN
[20:49] <tudorrr> Sorry, does anyone know where I can find numix dark theme?


[00:23] <rynDiamonds> Can anyone help me before I get bumped off again?
[00:24] <rynDiamonds> every time I close my laptop lid it disconnects the wifi and will not reconnect without a reboot
[00:25] <gunndawg> rynDiamonds: I'd love to help you but I have little to no experience with kubuntu on a laptop.
[00:30] <portablejim> How can I add custom icons for a new application I add to the menu?
[00:31] <gunndawg> portablejim: right click on the icon and choose icon settings?
[00:32] <portablejim> There is no such option.
[00:34] <gunndawg> portablejim: what "menu" are you referring to?
[00:34] <portablejim> I am talking about in 15.04, when adding something the menu editor, there is an option for an icon. Select icon gives me a choice from system icons (Applications, Categories, Devices, etc) or "Other icons" which draw icons from somewhere. (The "browse" button doesn't work)
[00:35] <gunndawg> portablejim: I could be wrong but check /usr/share/icons
[00:39] <portablejim> Ah. Just worked it out. The "browse" should work, but a buggy kio exec is causing it to not work (as well as other links on the system).
[00:40] <gunndawg> portablejim: ah very well. Glad you got it sorted out :)
[00:43] <portablejim> Just waiting for the bugfix to come through the repos.
[00:48] <gunndawg> Are there any widgets channels here I can get help on with the "Folder View" widget?
[00:51] <portablejim> Note to others coming later: ~/.local/share/applications/ you can find the menu entry and manually set the icon.
[02:27] <donkeyshark> hello
[02:56] <donkeyshark> Has anyone here run into issues with Muon not providing authentication?
[02:56] <donkeyshark> I have polkit installed
[02:56] <donkeyshark> But Muon will not authenticate when I attempt to install packages
[03:36] <Guest24354> hey guys I f'd up my main partition and it won't boot.. I booted into a live mode via my USB stick.. is there a way I can get access to read/write files on my main HD?
[03:36] <Guest24354> like to give myself permission to read/write the grub file or to run sudo apt-get install commands ?
[03:37] <gunndawg> Guest24354: what "sudo apt-get install" commands are you wanting to run?
[03:39] <Guest24354> gunndawg: Do I have to like chroot into the main HD?
[03:39] <gunndawg> Guest24354: for what? to run an APT command?
[03:41] <Guest24354> i want to edit my grub file and possibly run an apt-command.. all I really grub to do is set it to boot to prompt rather than sddm or plasma since I broke it :P
[03:41] <Guest24354> cause right now I can't boot into it.  cltr alt f1 just hangs along with ctrl alt f7
[04:05] <denza252> So my trackpad stopped working suddenly
[04:05] <denza252> any suggestions?
[04:07] <hyper_ch> yes
[04:08] <gunndawg> Any good reason why the "General" font setting of size 11 makes the right click menu in chromium a rather large font but other aspects of the system look fine in font size 11?
[04:09] <gunndawg> when I take it down to say font size 7 the chromium right click menu looks perfect, but K menu, etc are way too small
[04:09] <denza252> wait nvm
[04:09] <denza252> fixed it
[04:11] <hyper_ch> gunndawg: yes
[04:11] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: what are my options?
[04:12] <hyper_ch> you asked if thereis any good reason and there is
[04:12] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: ummmm ok
[04:12] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: I'll re type it and put a question mark at the end
[04:12] <hyper_ch> it already is a question
[04:13] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: I'll re word it and include "how can I fix this" at the end
[04:13] <hyper_ch> ;)
[04:13] <gunndawg> Any good reason why the "General" font setting of size 11 makes the right click menu in chromium a rather large font but other aspects of the system look fine in font size 11? When I take it down to say font size 7 the chromium right click menu looks perfect, but K menu, etc are way to small. How can I fix this?
[04:14] <hyper_ch> yes; no idea ;)
[04:14] <hyper_ch> what do you mean by rather large?
[04:14] <hyper_ch> the spacing?
[04:15] <gunndawg> no the letters them self are larger than the rest of the system that utilizes the General font size
[04:15] <hyper_ch> screenshot or I don't believe it :)
[04:15] <gunndawg> ok 1 sec
[04:16] <gunndawg> well, taking a screen shot with the right click menu showing is proving to be a problem
[04:16] <gunndawg> did it, I think
[04:17] <hyper_ch> you can, just set a delay in ksnapshot
[04:17] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: http://i.imgur.com/C3mh0gR.png   <----chromium right click menu
[04:18] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: http://i.imgur.com/hyPTFKI.jpg    <----K menu that uses font size 11 as well
[04:18] <hyper_ch> same here...
[04:19] <gunndawg> hyper_ch: so the "General" font setting is Ubuntu 11 and both Chromium and K menu pull their font size from that. So why does one appear larger than the other?
[04:20] <hyper_ch> maybe the KDE gods hate you :)
[04:20] <gunndawg> Anyone else have any input on the matter? It's clear hyper_ch jus wants to troll me at this point
[04:22] <hyper_ch> again inflationary use of troll
[04:24] <Etriaph> gunndawg: That's odd, actually.  Mine are the same.
[04:24] <gunndawg> Etriaph: I found it odd as well. Quite annoying at the moment
[04:26] <gunndawg> Etriaph: I'm looking to see if Chromium has an add on that can over rule the system font settings and use its own
[04:26] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/chrome.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/menu.png
[04:27] <gunndawg> indeed yours seem to be working fine. hmm
[04:28] <gunndawg> Etriaph: Google Chrome seems to look ok, but I use chromium because Chrome has such tiny font for its tabs on my system
[04:28] <Etriaph> I download my copy from Google too.
[04:30] <gunndawg> Etriaph: This is Chrome. Seems normal but the tab font is a tad small. Menu is fine though...... http://i.imgur.com/yS6crpC.png
[04:30] <Etriaph> You can edit that font though, lemme think...
[04:31] <Etriaph> System Settings -> Application Style -> GNOME Application Style
[04:31] <gunndawg> Etriaph: having a look now
[04:32] <gunndawg> I have Application Appearance
[04:32] <gunndawg> 14.04
[04:32] <Etriaph> Oh, well ya somewhere in there is the GTK settings
[04:32] <Etriaph> You can adjust the font for GTK applications, I think that's the one it uses.
[04:32] <gunndawg> yeah I'm in GTK settings
[04:32] <gunndawg> let me adjust it and see what gives
[04:33] <Etriaph> You may have to restart Chrome
[04:33] <gunndawg> Etriaph: wait is this adjusting the font size of the right click menu in Chromium or the font size on tabs in Chrome?
[04:33] <Etriaph> It's GTK, I don't know what's going to happen :D
[04:34] <Etriaph> Both
[04:34] <Etriaph> On mine
[04:34] <gunndawg> Etriaph: oddly enough it had no affect on either browser
[04:34] <Etriaph> 15.04
[04:34] <Etriaph> You'd have to restart the browser, but it affects it on mine.. all fonts, including Bookmarks Toolbar
[04:35] <gunndawg> Etriaph: I've restarted both browsers and it seems to not have touched either one
[04:35] <Etriaph> That's strange.
[04:36] <gunndawg> In Chrome I notice the bookmarks are the same size as the tab font. So it seems as though they share a font size setting somewhere
[04:36] <Etriaph> Yup, all of the fonts are controlled by GTK+ font settings as far as I can tell
[04:36] <Etriaph> Menu as well
[04:36] <Etriaph> But... this is 15.04, I haven't run 14.04 in about 6 months
[04:37] <gunndawg> Etriaph: when I adjust the "General" font setting in system settings it changes the favorites and tab font size in Chrome
[04:37] <gunndawg> so there is where it pulls from
[04:37] <Etriaph> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2225442
[04:39] <gunndawg> Etriaph: adjusting the "General" font size in Font Settings within system settings will adjust Chromes favorites, tab, etc font sizes
[04:39] <gunndawg> so you can change it, at the cost of changing the entire system font as well
[04:39] <Etriaph> Weird.
[04:39] <Etriaph> I don't remember having that issue myself in 14.04 though.
[04:40] <gunndawg> Etriaph: http://i.imgur.com/999m2Xs.png    < font size 11....
[04:41] <gunndawg> Etriaph: http://i.imgur.com/8o1VMyt.png   < font size 15
[04:42] <Etriaph> Interesting.
[04:43] <gunndawg> Etriaph: indeed
[04:43] <Etriaph> I wish xdg supported a fonts array.
[04:43] <gunndawg> I think my only solution at this point is to find a happy medium between chrome font size and system font size because they're shared
[04:44] <gunndawg> or go back to Chromium where the font sizes are, IMO too large
[04:45]  * Graf_Westerholt is going to replace Kubuntu 15.04 with Linux Mint.
[04:46] <Etriaph> I tried Mint for a short period.
[04:46] <gunndawg> I tried every flavor of Mint 17. It was decent.
[04:47] <Etriaph> Why the choice to move to Mint Graf_Westerholt?
[04:49] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, because plasmashell in Kubuntu 15.04 uses all of my CPU and the battery is empty in no time.
[04:50] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: 14.04 offers the same version of KDE as Mint does, is why I'm asking.
[04:50] <gunndawg> Graf_Westerholt: pssst Kubuntu 14.04 is nice ;)
[04:50] <Graf_Westerholt> gunndawg LOL
[04:51] <Etriaph> 15.04 is experimental.
[04:51] <Graf_Westerholt> Why is an version of Kubuntu experimental?
[04:51] <Etriaph> If it's not LTS, it's experimental.
[04:51] <Graf_Westerholt> Kubuntu 14.10 was getting on my nerves to update. :P
[04:52] <Etriaph> If you want a stable workstation, best version is 14.04 right now.
[04:52] <Graf_Westerholt> So the experiment failed and I am going to try Mint. ;)
[04:52] <Etriaph> Mint is not Plasma 5, so  you're aware
[04:52] <Graf_Westerholt> 14.10 was ok.
[04:52] <Graf_Westerholt> I know what Mint is.
[04:52] <Graf_Westerholt> I know what Cinnamon is.
[04:52] <gunndawg> Graf_Westerholt: nothing wrong with distro hopping to find what works for you. I did the same until I landed on Kubuntu 14.04
[04:56] <Etriaph> Are you running with the 5.3 PPA enabled?
[04:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, yes I do.
[04:57] <wldcordeiro_> I'm getting an error in 15.04 with the backported KDE 5.3 and can no longer run updates because of a file overlap between kde-telepathy and gnome's
[04:57] <Etriaph> Hmm.  How much CPU is plasmashell consuming?
[04:57] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, after a few minutes up to 50%.
[04:57] <wldcordeiro_> I can't even remove either of them or update anything
[04:57] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: What kind of hardware?
[04:58] <wldcordeiro_> Console log when trying http://pastebin.com/zDgQCnu3
[04:59] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7260098
[04:59] <Graf_Westerholt> With 14.10 the CPU was used about 3% when idle.
[04:59] <Etriaph> Ohhh...
[04:59] <wldcordeiro_> Anyone have any ideas about what to do?
[04:59] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph?
[05:00] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Your HD graphics are probably integrated with the CPU and Plasma 5 renders on the GPU
[05:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, how do you know?
[05:01] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: I don't, it's a guess, but not an uninformed one.
[05:01] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph ok
[05:01] <Graf_Westerholt> wldcordeiro_, sorry, I have no idea.
[05:02] <hyper_ch> cpu, gpu... all the same :)
[05:02] <Graf_Westerholt> hyper_ch :D
[05:03] <Graf_Westerholt> But I cannot use my Laptop with this situation.
[05:03] <Etriaph> "Plasma's user interfaces are rendered on top of an OpenGL or OpenGL ES scenegraph, offloading many of the computational-intensive rendering tasks. This allows for higher framerates and smoother graphics display while freeing up resources of the main system processor."
[05:03] <Etriaph> That's from the website.
[05:03] <hyper_ch> that sounds like a tv ad
[05:03] <hyper_ch> and youk now how often they are true :)
[05:03] <Graf_Westerholt> Does this website tell that it makes a Laptop useless? ;)
[05:03] <Graf_Westerholt> hyper_ch :D
[05:04] <hyper_ch> Graf_Westerholt: what gpu do you have?
[05:04] <Etriaph> If the graphics processor is bridged to the CPU to offload processing, you have two pipes being used for the same thing and a whole lot of CPU craziness.
[05:04] <wldcordeiro_> What's Baloo_file?
[05:04] <Etriaph> Turn off compositing.
[05:04] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: file content indexing
[05:04] <Graf_Westerholt> hyper_ch, It is Chuck Norris 1337 GPU.
[05:04] <wldcordeiro_> Ah I see.
[05:04] <Etriaph> And desktop effects, that's my suggestion
[05:04] <wldcordeiro_> It's using a constant 25% of my cpu so I was a little curious
[05:04] <hyper_ch> I just idsabled most desktop effects... no need for that bling bling
[05:05] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: System Settings -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor
[05:05] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: If it's on, turn it off and see how it goes.
[05:05] <wldcordeiro_> Seems to be using my 3rd core
[05:05] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, you can just hit Alt+Shift+F12.
[05:05] <Graf_Westerholt> hyper_ch http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7260098
[05:05] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Depends on how your global accel is setup :D
[05:06] <hyper_ch> I think I also have ivy bridge
[05:06] <Graf_Westerholt> OK, I am going to start my laptop and try without composing.
[05:07] <hyper_ch> nah, haswell 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[05:07] <Etriaph> So it's not bridged, it's stand-alone
[05:07] <hyper_ch> yeah....
[05:07] <wldcordeiro_> Anyone have any ideas for what to do about kde-telepathy? It's pretty much blocked my ability to update or install any packages.
[05:07] <hyper_ch> well, disabled most desktops effects anyway
[05:07] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: It may or may not work, but it's worth a shot.
[05:07] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: pastebinit or I don't believe it
[05:07] <wldcordeiro_> http://pastebin.com/zDgQCnu3
[05:08] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch:
[05:08] <hyper_ch> pastebin.com is evil
[05:08] <wldcordeiro_> Every command I try fails with that.
[05:08] <wldcordeiro_> I was lazy and used it lol
[05:08] <wldcordeiro_> normally I go with gists.
[05:08] <hyper_ch> tried to remove telepathy?
[05:08] <hyper_ch> apt-get install pastebinit
[05:08] <wldcordeiro_> Yeah I tried `sudo apt-get kde-telepathy`
[05:08] <hyper_ch> apt-get upgrade | pastebinit
[05:09] <hyper_ch> you miss install or remove there
[05:09] <wldcordeiro_> Yeah whoops meant remove.
[05:09] <wldcordeiro_> That's the result of any apt-get commands right now.
[05:09] <hyper_ch> apt-get purge telepathy
[05:10] <wldcordeiro_> It tells me that kde-l10n-engb has an unmet dependency for kde-config-telepathy-accounts and to run `apt-get install -f` but that fails too
[05:11] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: For what its worth. enabling "Force Fonts DPI" set to 96(default) corrected my font size issues. No clue....
[05:11] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: 15 years after I started using Linux full-time on my desktop, there are still things that amaze me.
[05:11] <hyper_ch> dpkg -r kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_amd64.deb
[05:11] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: That GNOME still exists at all is one of them :D
[05:12] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: I believe it. Cheers for suggestions and input :) I'll raise this pint to you
[05:12] <hyper_ch> or that not everyone is using kde?
[05:12] <inthedryer> Every time I come back to linux, I fall in love all over again!
[05:12] <hyper_ch> come back to linux?
[05:12] <hyper_ch> that implies you leave it
[05:13] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: Well, I find the GNOME camp is very enthusiastic, but the goal or mission has never been clear to me.
[05:14] <inthedryer> I sometimes get sucked into spending more time on proprietary platforms than I'd like. The Windows 10 preview fixed that for good.
[05:14] <hyper_ch> well, there's also LXDE as lightweight desktop...
[05:14] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: 16GB of RAM and a Core i7
[05:15] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: Lightweight is KDE for me :D
[05:15] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: 16gb ram, 512 single disk ssd in raid1
[05:15] <hyper_ch> or of stuff mapped to tmpfs
[05:15] <inthedryer> How does that hold up against XFCE
[05:15] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: 128Gb SSD for me
[05:15] <hyper_ch> xfce has become rather "bloated" in the last 10 years or so
[05:16] <Graf_Westerholt> Energy Information shows that /usr/sbin/mysqld consumes a lot of energy.
[05:16] <wldcordeiro_> I was considering using XFCE but KDE 5.3 is really nice.
[05:16] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: That would be file indexing, that can be turned off too if you want.
[05:16] <inthedryer> Ran better than 8 on a cheap celeron I got, but it looks like LXDE may work better. Thanks hyper_ch!
[05:17] <wldcordeiro_> What's the name of the DE that's the Ubuntu fallback? I'm trying to remove its login system because sometimes it takes over for sddm.
[05:17] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, how do I turn it off?
[05:18] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: System Settings -> Search
[05:18] <Etriaph> Uncheck what you don't need
[05:18] <inthedryer> I was rather impressed when a clean repo, and dist-upgrade automatically brought my amazon basics wireless mouse up to life.
[05:18] <Graf_Westerholt> Turning of composing is no big difference.
[05:19] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Is it no difference at all, or it's marginal?
[05:19] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, marginal.
[05:20] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, how do I uncheck all? It’s a lot. I do not want to uncheck all manually.
[05:20] <inthedryer> Ahh, reminds me of Big-O...
[05:20] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: To make an omelette...
[05:21] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph? I do not want to make an omelette.
[05:22] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Figure of speech.  Yes, you have to manually choose what you want.
[05:22] <Etriaph> Smoke break, brb.
[05:22] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: oddly enough Forcing Fonts DPI also corrected a font issue in Skype as well. I dunno, but I'm not complaining
[05:22] <Graf_Westerholt> Why is there no button to uncheck all?
[05:24] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph mysqld is stell consuming the most energy.
[05:24] <Graf_Westerholt> *still
[05:27] <inthedryer> Dunno if this relates, but since I was reminded of good ol computational complexity theory, its worth noting that Search Algorithms dont dip below O(log(n)) Unless you're willing to settle for an O(n) worst case
[05:30] <inthedryer> n being the number of items in the list and O() being the rough amount of computations neeeded to process those n items.
[05:32] <inthedryer> Think I remembered that right, correct me if I'm wrong. So why do you think sql soaking up so much juice Graf_?
[05:33] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: kk, let me look at a few things
[05:33] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, ok
[05:34] <Graf_Westerholt> At the moment, CPU is used 20%. Plasmashell is at 12%.
[05:36] <inthedryer> I'm liking this Quassel client in Utopic, but which IRC client do you all prefer?
[05:37] <inthedryer> ... for KDE of course
[05:37] <Graf_Westerholt> Now it is 25/14%
[05:39] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: In a konsole, do: akonadictl stop
[05:40] <Etriaph> Anything that depends on it may get mad, but I want to see if that's what's eating your CPU (in whole or in part)
[05:41] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, done. 25/15%
[05:41] <Etriaph> Give it a minute.
[05:41] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[05:42] <Graf_Westerholt> 26/16 %
[05:44] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph 27/17 %
[05:44] <gunndawg_> I'm trying to find a screenshot of someone else who has done this with their panel because I cant describe what it does. Though I'm curious on if its possible in Kubuntu. Basically the Default Panel sizes according to things that are open, leaving the middle(unused space) blank, then resuming again for the system tray. I tried to draw what I'm talking about... http://i.imgur.com/55KkPgb.jpg
[05:45] <gunndawg_> Is something like this possible in Kubuntu
[05:45] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: You got me.
[05:45] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, sorry?
[05:46] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Meaning I have no idea what's causing your CPU to do this.
[05:46] <Graf_Westerholt> 30/19 %
[05:46] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: mysqld is spawned by akonadi
[05:46] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, I think it is a big bug because it always rise.
[05:46] <Graf_Westerholt> *rises
[05:47] <Graf_Westerholt> increase
[05:47] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: But a bug in what.  I don't experience this, many others are running Kubuntu 15.04 just fine.
[05:47] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not know.
[05:47] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: I don't use a panel like that for task management, maybe it's one of the other theme packages that someone's done this in?
[05:48] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: perhaps so. I'll dos ome more looking around
[05:48] <hyper_ch> inetpro: is there any other client besides Konversation?
[05:48] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, I am going to install Linux Mint. :D
[05:49] <gunndawg_> Graf_Westerholt: good luck!
[05:49] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Hey, up to you, 14.04 will give you the same result as Mint 17 though, just a different way of delivering it.
[05:49] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph :D
[05:49] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: Quassel
[05:50] <Etriaph> But I prefer Konversation myself.
[05:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, do you want me to keep with Kubuntu? ;)
[05:50] <hyper_ch> gunndawg_: hmmm, the icon-only task manager just shows icons and not all the text to it... hence a lot of middle space is left open
[05:50] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: I want you to do what makes you happy :D
[05:50] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: I'll give that a shot. thanks for the suggestion
[05:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, kissing a nice woman would make me happy. :D
[05:51] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: you didn't get my reply ;)
[05:51] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: I'm not sure playing with Linux distributions will aid in that endeavor.  :D
[05:51] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph :D
[05:51] <Graf_Westerholt> But there is no woman around. :(
[05:51] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: Which reply?
[05:51] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: I'm not seeing "Icon Only" in the Task Manager Settings" should I look elsewehre?
[05:52] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: I replied to [07:43] <inthedryer> [07:36:24] I'm liking this Quassel client in Utopic, but which IRC client do you all prefer?
[05:52] <gunndawg_> I prefer IRSSI personally
[05:52]  * Graf_Westerholt uses Quassel.
[05:53] <hyper_ch> gunndawg_: open the bottom bar settings -> add widgets -> Icons-only Task Manager
[05:53] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: Ah :D
[05:53] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: it's a widget. gotcha
[05:53] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: I use Docky, works better than Icon Only imo
[05:53] <hyper_ch> the current task manager there is also a widget
[05:54] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: I tried various docks including docky and cairo dock. I dont think I'm a "dock" kinda guy, heh
[05:54] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: I miss Window Maker task management :D
[05:55] <Etriaph> Icons shown when apps are running, or when pinned; maximum screen real estate
[05:56] <hyper_ch> I just hate that minimized window icons get now greyed out with task only manager... makes it sometimes hard to find the right icon again
[05:57] <hyper_ch> http://images.sjau.ch/img/8630cb25.png
[05:57] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: this Icon-Only widget seems like, much like a dock which I've never been thrilled about. Maybe once configured. We'll see
[05:59] <hyper_ch> there's not much to configure there
[06:00] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: Icon-only TM is nice for clarity and saving real estate on a panel, but beyond that it's exactly *only* what it says :D
[06:00] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: no but if I use this I'll be getting rid of the "Default Panel" all together which will get rid of my clock, network manager, etc, etc thats in the bottom right
[06:00] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: I wouldn't suggest that.
[06:00] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: you can omit the "only"... it's exactly what it says :)
[06:00] <hyper_ch> gunndawg_: no, task-icon only manager doesn't remove that
[06:01] <Etriaph> If it's not on a panel, you'll have to resize it for the number of icons you expect to ever see
[06:01] <hyper_ch> the default task manager is also just a widget on that bar
[06:01] <Etriaph> Leaving a massive gap
[06:01] <hyper_ch> as is the clock and system tray and ....
[06:01] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: I wouldnt either. I'll try to integrate this Icon-only widget so that I keep both
[06:01] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: You'll see what I mean if you try to add that widget to the desktop
[06:02] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: It's finicky; if you have 10 icons pinned, the widget does not grow if you open an app that's not on it; all the icons shrink
[06:02] <Etriaph> It's annoying; hence why I use Docky :D
[06:02] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: hyper_ch I'll show you guys a screenshot to show you my dilema
[06:02] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: hyper_ch: http://i.imgur.com/NqZQRn1.jpg
[06:03] <gunndawg_> default panel shows same info icons-only widget does
[06:03] <gunndawg_> which defeats the purpose if both are going to display opened windows
[06:03] <Etriaph> You'd remove the task manager from the panel
[06:04] <Etriaph> With that it's either/or
[06:04] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: ah ok, didnt know I could remove the task manager from the default panel
[06:05] <hyper_ch> gunndawg_: as I said before, it's a widget also
[06:05] <hyper_ch> you can remove it, re-add it, move it some otherplace...
[06:05] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: right, I'm talking about the default panel
[06:06] <hyper_ch> panel is where the widget is attached to
[06:06] <Etriaph> A default panel is just a panel with default widget configuration I'm sure
[06:06] <Etriaph> Empty/Default, still just panels.
[06:07] <gunndawg_> eh, I'll fuss around with it. Still not sure I like the dock idea. We'll see, heh
[06:08] <hyper_ch> gunndawg_: http://images.sjau.ch/img/aad06ff7.png
[06:10] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: looks a lot like 15.04 to me :)
[06:10] <hyper_ch> that is 15.04
[06:10] <hyper_ch> why?
[06:10] <gunndawg_> Just making an observation
[06:10] <gunndawg_> I tried 15.04, was not fond of it on release day
[06:10] <hyper_ch> that default colorful, non-blueish background is annoying
[06:11] <hyper_ch> as you can see, icon-only task manager runs fine
[06:11] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: that's icon only task manager?
[06:11] <hyper_ch> yes
[06:11] <gunndawg_> how did you get the clock and everything on the right to incorporate?
[06:11] <hyper_ch> plus a few apps added
[06:11] <hyper_ch> and showing desktops
[06:12] <hyper_ch> and general cpu/ram usage
[06:12] <hyper_ch> you have the default bottom panel
[06:12] <Graf_Westerholt> Mint is not good in setting up partitions automatically like Kubuntu. :D
[06:12] <hyper_ch> just add the icon only task bar there
[06:12] <hyper_ch> remove the default task manager
[06:12] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: so it overlaps?
[06:12] <hyper_ch> leave all the rest as it is
[06:12] <hyper_ch> what do you mean by overlap?
[06:12] <hyper_ch> it's a widget that you place on hte panel
[06:13] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: well I dont fully understand. I added the widget and got a long dock like bar that I could add icons to, did not have my clock and everything that you have
[06:13] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: so I'm trying to figure out how you did that
[06:13] <gunndawg_> oh on the panel it self
[06:13] <gunndawg_> I was putting it on the desktop
[06:13] <Etriaph> Widgets can live on panels or on the workspace, one QWidget at a time :D
[06:13] <gunndawg_> did not know they could be on panels
[06:13] <gunndawg_> I put mine on the desktop, now this all makes sense
[06:13] <wldcordeiro_> Is there a ppa that's got tmux 2.0 on it?
[06:14] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: tried google.com?
[06:14] <hyper_ch> or #tmux ?
[06:14] <Etriaph> vivid is 1.9
[06:15] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch: Google didn't get any results except for the announcement today which only links to tarballs.
[06:15] <wldcordeiro_> lol for some reason the version string for 1.9 says `tmuxtmux 1.9` instead of just `tmux 1.9`
[06:15] <Etriaph> wldcordeiro_: So compile it.
[06:16] <Etriaph> Interesting, it's like screen.
[06:16] <wldcordeiro_> I was trying to skip that if a ppa was available and I figured a channel dedicated to an ubuntu variant would know of one's existence not just respond with snark to a simple question.
[06:17] <hyper_ch> tmux > screen
[06:17] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch: Agreed. Used to use screen.
[06:17] <hyper_ch> tmux.con http://paste.ubuntu.com/11021117/
[06:18] <hyper_ch> +f
[06:18]  * Graf_Westerholt is installing Linux Mint Debian.
[06:18] <hyper_ch> default ctrl-b in tmux is annoying :) but you can easily adjust it to whatever you want :)
[06:18] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: I haven't had need of screen, or it's successors, in quite some time; didn't know someone had improved on the idea.
[06:18] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch: I always rebind moving between panes to hjkl
[06:19] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: interesting :)
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: tmux runs 25/7 for me
[06:19] <gunndawg_> bah. tinkering around I deleted my default panel and re added it. now my launcher icons are super tiny
[06:20] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch: https://gist.github.com/wldcordeiro/6b141a5fce68c36c9a8c tmux.conf for me.
[06:20] <wldcordeiro_> I may steal some of your configs. :)
[06:20] <wldcordeiro_> The mouse ones are great though.
[06:20] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: that's what configs are for
[06:20] <wldcordeiro_> lol
[06:21] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: I used screen when I had server in the basement; always-on IRC
[06:21] <wldcordeiro_> I've been meaning to rework my zshrc to use antigen instead of oh-my-zsh since it's slow.
[06:21] <hyper_ch> remapping window navigation... I'll bookmark yours
[06:21] <Etriaph> I don't run an in-house server anymore though
[06:21] <wldcordeiro_> I use tmux for development so I can have ipython in a pane, the dev server in another and then a third for normal shell stuff
[06:21] <Etriaph> OK, one last smoke before bed.
[06:21] <Etriaph> bbiab guys.
[06:22] <Etriaph> wldcordeiro_: Yakuake, Kate, Konsole
[06:22] <Etriaph> wldcordeiro_: :D
[06:22] <Etriaph> brb
[06:22] <wldcordeiro_> I use it within Yakuake!
[06:22] <wldcordeiro_> It's even better that way.
[06:22] <hyper_ch> also nice is tmux that it can be easily attached from multiple computers
[06:22] <hyper_ch> screen was a pain in that regard
[06:22] <gunndawg_> hyper_ch: I deleted my default panel and re added it now my launcher icons (right of K menu) are super small now :( http://i.imgur.com/6UVXsG5.jpg
[06:23] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch: Have you tried using tmuxinator?
[06:23] <wldcordeiro_> It's supposed to make a way to 'save' sessions.
[06:23] <hyper_ch> gunndawg_: no idea why that is
[06:23] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: haven't tried that
[06:35] <Etriaph> gunndawg_: Resize the panel up and down a bit
[06:36] <gunndawg_> Etriaph: I removed the tiny icons and re added the icons and that fixed it
[06:37] <Etriaph> OK, sleep time.  Take it easy folks.
[06:42] <wldcordeiro_> hyper_ch: Have you installed tmux plugins?
[06:42] <hyper_ch> wldcordeiro_: no
[06:43] <wldcordeiro_> Oh man you'll like these then. :)
[06:43] <wldcordeiro_> https://github.com/tmux-plugins/tpm
[06:43] <wldcordeiro_> https://github.com/tmux-plugins/tmux-sidebar
[06:43] <hyper_ch> tpm? trusted platform module?
[06:44] <wldcordeiro_> Tmux Plugin Manager
[06:44] <hyper_ch> the sidebar looks interesting
[06:59] <wldcordeiro_> I installed the sidebar and the battery meter one.
[07:35] <Zero_> hello
[07:38] <Zero_> which do you like lubuntu and kubuntu ? tell me reason and profit to me.
[07:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero_, I do not know Lubuntu, but I like KDE because it is very customizable.
[07:39] <Zero_> Thx ! Graf ,And Which do you like KDE4 and newly one.
[07:40] <Zero_> I like KDE4 as better to me.
[07:40] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero_, why do you ask?
[07:41] <Zero_> As normally, My friend like to newly one. However, I don't think that.
[07:42] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero_, I do not understand perfectly. What does your friend like?
[07:43] <Zero_> He like to kubuntu 15.10
[07:43] <Graf_Westerholt> He likes Kubuntu 15.10.
[07:43] <Zero_> Yes
[07:43] <Graf_Westerholt> That is ok for him.
[07:44] <Zero_> however, I don't feel 15.04 is better to me.
[07:45] <Zero_> It is licleded to older machine so not same feeling as
[07:46] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not understand “licleded”, Zero_.
[07:46] <Zero_> so sorry
[07:46] <Zero_> my machine is older
[07:47] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero_, what CPU, how much Memory?
[07:47] <Zero_> My machine is i810 and 2G
[07:47] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[07:48] <Zero_> Mac-book is
[07:49] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero_, some people told me that Kubuntu 15.04 is experimental. On my Laptop it uses 50 % CPU on idle, while with 14.10 it was only about 3 %. So I installed Linux Mint Debian to try. But I prefer KDE instead of Cinnamon.
[07:50] <Zero_> wow..
[07:50] <Graf_Westerholt> brb
[07:50] <Zero_> OK .. I will try 14.1 or past one
[07:51] <Zero_> thx ! Graf...
[07:57] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero_, Kubuntu 14.04 is an LTS.
[07:58] <Zero__> Thx ! Graf .. I will try to 14.04.
[07:58] <Graf_Westerholt> Zero__ :)
[07:59]  * gunndawg_ recommends 14.04
[07:59] <Graf_Westerholt> gunndawg :D
[08:36] <roushan> hi
[08:42] <eric850> y a qq'un ?
[08:50] <Graf_Westerholt> !fr | eric850
[09:56] <gunndawg_> For my friend who is trying to set up a VPN. If anyone has any knowledge here is his post on the forums. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2277322
[10:04] <gunndawg_> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68135-L2TP-IPSec-VPN-Connection&p=371858#post371858
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:14] <ejay> BluesKaj: howdy
[11:15] <BluesKaj> hi ejay
[13:33] <rattking> hmm spellchecking looks broken in quassel but works in other kde apps
[13:35] <BluesKaj> rattking, which kubuntu?
[13:38] <rattking> 15.04 with the 5.3 ppa (had to go 5.3 for ksshaskpass to work with kwallet)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> rattking, well, i haven't seen spell check work on Konversation on plasma 5.3 either
[13:43] <rattking> hmm interesting. I do have spell checking in kopete and kate (the only 2 others I checked)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> rattking, I don't have it setup globally
[14:04] <rattking> I knew where that was in kde4.. not sure in plasma 5
[14:05] <rattking> I know a common problem was not having language set
[14:06] <rattking> ohh its in 'Regional Settings' now and I hav eit enabled by default and lang set :(
[14:06] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:07] <rattking> I am trying to find a older cory of quassle to see if it was linked against any spelling libs. I dont see any on the verson I have installed
[14:07] <rattking> s/cory/copy/
[14:20] <Martin7738> Hi, is there an easy way to protect a home repertory from begin accessed by another user, I mean without having to change the access to the repertory each time a new user is added ?
[14:22] <Martin7738> being *
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Martin7738, do you mean repository like the sources.list?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> or home directory
[14:33] <Martin7738> BluesKaj: I meant the home directory
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Martin7738,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/200911/how-to-prevent-access-to-a-folder-by-other-users
[16:37] <muntrue> Hey Folks, is there anyone that can help me with an IPSec/L2TP VPN connection, I have been at it for hours now but I just cant make it happen
[17:00] <ik_> hi
[17:00] <ik_> how are you ?
[17:02] <lolmaus> Is there a canonical guide for setting up ssh agent in Kubuntu?
[17:02] <ik_> can you help me ?
[17:04] <ik_> I have problems with Knotes
[17:07] <BluesKaj> lolmaus, this works on the later kubuntus as well http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/enable-ssh-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[17:11] <ik_> hi
[17:20] <Guest56216> somebody know how can install canon mf4770n printer
[17:28] <lolmaus> BluesKaj: thank you kind sir
[17:28] <lolmaus> BluesKaj: hey, that's not what I'm asking for. That's about sshd, i'm askin about sshagent.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> lolmaus, sorry what do you mean by ssh-agent, like the proxy ?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> lolmaus, you can find several ssh-agent related apps in the package manager
[18:15] <cjwelborn> I have ~1.5GB in ~/.local/share/Trash/files (and related files in ../Trash/info). Can I safely delete all of that stuff?
[18:18] <tsimpson> you can just go to trash:/ in the file manager (it'll have a localized name under Places too) and right-click to choose to empty
[18:19] <cjwelborn> tsimpson: Yeh, I was wondering if any apps are gonna break if I manually did it though. It's just trash right? So it shouldn't be a problem? I don't know if it's one of those things that the "official app" needs to do (because of the ../Trash/info files).
[18:20] <cjwelborn> tsimpson: when in doubt, I will do the trash:/ thing though.
[18:21] <tsimpson> cjwelborn: you should be able to safely blast it away, it should be recreated by anything that expects to use it
[18:22] <cjwelborn> tsimpson: thanks. I didn't even realize how large it had grown because I'm on the command line most of the time and I use 'Delete' instead of 'Move to trash' whenever I can.
[18:24] <tsimpson> Yakuake is usually my file manager ;)
[18:25] <cjwelborn> Here I was running rsync and I see a .local/share/Trash file had errored, which means I just rsync'd that 1.5GB. My /home is like 8GB and rsync has been running forever, so I don't want to stop the operation before it completes. Yakuake is awesome by the way. I can't live without it.
[18:38] <ShishKabab> I've copied my .local, .kde and .config directories from another computer, but now my KWallet won't open with a -9 read error. Is there any way to copy KWallet data in a safe way.
[18:38] <ShishKabab> ?
[18:38] <rattking> you can export it as xml then import it
[18:39] <rattking> but make sure your uid and gid are right for the system you moved those dirs to
[18:45] <ShishKabab> rattking: Thanks, will try that!
[19:09] <MoonUnit`> woot, 5.4 roll on wayland.
[19:11] <user> witam
[19:12] <bryq> jest tu kto ??
[19:57] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`plasma 5.4 ...when?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> i switched my sources.list to Wyly 15.10, so I'll keep an eye out for wayland and plasma 5.4 , there were some packages in the repos
[20:06] <MoonUnit`> BluesKaj: no idea when. https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts/GpPBbH1ftnz
[20:09] <BluesKaj> some time down the line ..I'll wait til the devs want them tested
[20:12] <jchonig> Help, I did something to my system and lost the ability to configure activities.  Create Activity does nothing and the Main activity looks different than activities on my other desktop (red and green balls around a Play button)
[20:14] <jchonig> Maybe I pulled in later versions of some programs from getdebs?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> jchonig, which Kubuntu release?
[20:14] <jchonig> 14.04
[20:14] <MoonUnit`> BluesKaj: i'll keep an eye out until RebeccablackOS includes it.
[20:16] <jchonig> I ran an apt-get command that removed a bunch of packages, then reinstalled kubuntu-desktop but may have pulled in incorrect debs.  I may need to reinstall from Kubuntu 14.04 to fix this.
[20:18] <BluesKaj> jchonig, did you follow up the update and upgrade commands with dist upgrade?
[20:21] <jchonig> I wasn't doing an upgrade just trying to install some i386 libs (on amd64 system) and buggered up a command line
[20:23] <jchonig> jchonig I'm probably going to need to reinstall (puppet will reconfigure for me) or restore the system from a backup if this isn't obvious
[20:28] <rattking> you can look in /var/log/dkpg.log to see what really happened
[20:32] <jchonig> rattking I know what happened, I tried to change my system while listening to a conference call.  :-(
[20:33] <rattking> I mean you can find out what was removed and put it back
[20:40] <jchonig> rattking good point.  Although I originally installed this system as ubuntu and switched to kubuntu later so I could clean out some cruft with a re-install
[20:40] <jchonig> jch@schlepp[646]:~$ grep 05-08 /var/log/dpkg.log | grep -vE 'status|configure|trigproc|startup' | wc -l => 809
[20:52] <daniel__> hola buenas
[21:05] <jchonig> rattking BluesKaj found it: aptitude install libkactivities-bin:amd64 libkactivities-models1
[21:06] <rattking> nice
[21:06] <|aaron> since updating to 15.04 im having problems with chrome freezing... it will just completely stop responding to input for a minute or so. doesnt seem to matter what tabs i have open and ive got plenty of free system resources.. help?
[21:07] <jchonig> Should kubuntu desktop require those?  I don't remember if I had to do anything to enable activities, that was last year.  i.e. do I need to file a bug?
[21:08] <Zippi> Hi, trying out kubuntu first time (newest release) and when I use keepass2 to copy a password, it never gets cleared. Any tips for a fix?
[21:09] <soee> aatwood: try disabling gpu support in settings
[21:09] <soee> aatwood: also are you some propriety drivers ?
[21:13] <jchonig> rattking Thanks for the help
[21:14] <rattking> anytime!


[00:05] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu Scama Abusive, but claims he's going to "stop". Maybe I should have banned, but whatever.
[03:10] <urlin2u> could you take a look at this users starte responses in #ubuntu
[03:10] <urlin2u> user*
[09:04] <Jordan_U> I need sleep. Can someone deal with Gaurang in #ubuntu?
[09:43] <ikonia> yup
[10:22] <AlanBell> "Find" isn't an approved bot is it?
[10:23] <AlanBell> 10:13 < Promille> !port | azriel
[10:23] <AlanBell> 10:13 < Find> »»» Connection to | port azriel = Refused «««
[10:25] <ikonia> nope
[10:42] <ikonia> I wonder how it's got a cloak when it's only 3 days old
[10:44] <Myrtti> what is?
[10:44] <AlanBell> Find
[10:44] <ikonia> the bot "find"
[10:44] <ikonia> it's 3 days old yet it's got a cloak,
[10:45] <Myrtti> the account has been registered over a year ago afaik?
[10:45] <Myrtti> no hold on
[10:45] <Myrtti> I'm blind
[10:45] <ikonia> 10:41 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on FIND (account FIND):
[10:45] <ikonia> ha ha
[10:45] <ikonia> 10:41 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Jan 21 10:00:51 2012 (3 days, 00:40:57 ago)
[10:46] <Myrtti> too much blood in my caffeine circulation
[10:46]  * Tm_T passes an ubuntu mug full of hot coffee to Myrtti
[13:35] <bazhang> wth
[13:35] <bazhang> someone is logging on using his account?
[13:37] <Myrtti> bazhang: huh?
[13:37] <LjL> Myrtti: Andre_Godim is dead, but just joined #ubuntu+1
[13:37] <bazhang> Myrtti, in +1
[13:38] <Myrtti> I thought that happened a few times when his wife/whoever started the computer and IRC was on autostart/connect/join
[13:38] <LjL> i thought something like that was the cause
[13:38] <bazhang> ok
[14:07] <bazhang> renice to -20 ?
[14:09] <LjL> hm?
[14:09] <bazhang> belzebub in #ubuntu
[14:09] <LjL> yeah, what about it
[14:11] <bazhang> that seems an extreme renicing
[14:11] <LjL> i guess
[14:34] <bazhang> debian repo force upgrade every day what could go wrong
[14:36] <bazhang> is that for real? that aceofspade ident looks very familiar
[15:17] <bazhang> does not the most recent version of ubuntu allow one to 'dd' to make a bootable flash stick? whats that feature called?
[15:17] <LjL> bazhang: "hybrid image" possibly, i know that from other OSs
[15:18] <bazhang> LjL, thats it, thanks
[15:18] <bazhang> I believe that the hybrid image in 11.10 iso's allow one to dd to make a flash stick a la unetbootin
[15:18] <LjL> uhm, maybe that's the reason why people are saying Mac OS can't mount the 11.10 ISO
 why doesn't ubuntu have forkbomb protection?   <--- huh?
[15:23] <ikonia> ???
[15:23] <bazhang> trolling?
[15:23] <ikonia> dunno
[15:25] <Myrtti> lulwhut
[15:25] <Flannel> What's the 'huh' about?
[15:25] <LjL> maybe he's thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb#Prevention
[15:25] <ikonia> he's just read that and now quoting it inhere
[15:26] <bazhang> Linux kernel patch grsecurity
[15:59] <bazhang> dr. who is great, though
[15:59] <Pici> yes
[16:00] <Myrtti> I've seen about 10 episodes
[16:00] <bazhang> !
[16:00] <bazhang> Myrtti, which dr
[16:00] <bazhang> err season
[16:02] <Tm_T> bazhang: see -ot I guess
[16:20] <bazhang> !hud is <reply>  Ubuntu 12.04 LTS will include the first step in a major new approach to application interfaces, the Head-Up Display, or HUD, which will ultimately replace menus in Unity applications. See http://goo.gl/KRG6e for the background on this and discuss it in #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <bazhang> !hud
[16:20] <bazhang> ok?
[16:23] <AlanBell> not sure it replaces menus
[16:24] <bazhang> supplement?
[16:25] <AlanBell> enhance maybe
[16:25] <AlanBell> I might be wrong, but I think the menus stay and this is another way to press them
[16:26] <bazhang> reading  omg and mark's blog that seems correct
[16:26] <AlanBell> I will log out in a sec and find out :)
[16:26] <AlanBell> I installed the ppa
[16:29] <Flannel> from mark's blog: Say hello to the Head-Up Display, or HUD, which will ultimately replace menus in Unity applications.
[16:52] <LjL> oh lord
[16:54] <mneptok> O Panada, I stand on guard for thee!
[16:59] <bazhang> ?
[17:02] <mrmist> find has been removed from a number of channels as it seems to be a !seen bot.
[17:02] <bazhang> yep
[17:02] <ikonia> it's back in ubuntu again
[17:03] <ikonia> ahhh it was banned on cloak
[17:03] <ikonia> back under just iP
[17:03] <bazhang> went from cloaked to uncloaked
[17:03] <mrmist> that was probably our fault then :)
[17:04] <ikonia> removed the old ban and re-banned the new ip
[17:06] <h00k> n
[17:10] <bazhang> thought jediael was advised to reinstall
[17:10] <bazhang> he just seems to be repeating
[17:19] <bazhang> blackbuntu ? is that for real?
[17:20] <bazhang> ah its like backtrack
[18:05] <bazhang> mintmenu?
[18:05] <bazhang> !find mintmenu
[18:05] <bazhang> :/
[18:33]  * popey shudders
[18:37] <h00k> oi!
[18:38] <h00k> It's not all that bad.
[18:40]  * funkyHat pushes h00k
[18:40]  * h00k falls down the stairs awkwardly
[18:46] <h00k> mint. busted.
[20:04] <Myrtti> *boggle*
 I want to report abuse
[20:07] <h00k> Loco Team abuse, apparently
[20:11] <bazhang> Rafig, hi
[20:11] <Rafig> hi!
[20:12] <bazhang> Rafig, whats the issue please
[20:12] <Rafig> how to complain to Canonical?
[20:12] <Rafig> help plz
[20:13] <bazhang> about what?
[20:13] <LjL> Rafig: i see you aren't listening.
[20:13] <LjL> Rafig: if you have an issue with a LoCo team, it's not Canonical that you want to complain to, not initially at least.
[20:13] <Rafig> I want to complain about the moderators in my community.
[20:13] <LjL> Rafig: #ubuntu-locoteams is the right place to expose your issue.
[20:15] <Rafig> there are everything is silent
[20:15] <Rafig> oh ok
[20:16] <LjL> Rafig: waiting two minutes in a channel without an immediate answer hardly qualifies as "everything being silent"
[20:17] <Rafig> np
[20:19] <Rafig> me was told that Canonical have address for complaints
[20:20] <LjL> Rafig: for complains about Canonical, perhaps.
[20:20] <LjL> Rafig: but you have a complaint about something else.
[20:21] <Rafig> a friend said to write directly to Canonical
[20:22] <beuno> Rafig, Canonical doesn't deal with community conflict (I work for Canonical), the community does
[20:22] <beuno> there's a set of boards that deal with it, and ultimately, the Community Council
[20:22] <beuno> if the problem is with a LoCo, talk to the LoCo Council first
[20:22] <beuno> if not, escalate to the Community Council, which is as high up as there is
[20:23] <Tm_T> usually something is wrong if one has to escalate it to there
[20:23] <Tm_T> atleast I wish to think that way (:
[20:23] <Rafig> Me was told i can write directly to Canonical. Bypassing locoteam.
[20:24] <beuno> Rafig, you were told wrong  :)
[20:24] <beuno> Canonical is a company, so unless it's a commercial complaint, there's nobody who can help you
[20:24] <Rafig> I was told it
[20:24] <beuno> and yes, having to escalate to the community council means a bunch of things failed  :)
[20:25] <Rafig> autotyrans sorry
[20:25] <Rafig> friend said me it
[20:25] <LjL> you can keep repeating that
[20:25] <LjL> doesn't make it right
[20:25] <pangolin> Rafig: there is a process to follow in these cases. First step is to speak with the LoCo leaders if that fails you can speak to the LoCo council.
[20:25] <Tm_T> to make it short and simple: Ubuntu community is separate from Canonical, they don't mess each others business really
[20:26] <Rafig> ok i know u dont know adress (
[20:26]  * LjL sighs
[20:26] <Pici><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] <pangolin> the address is #ubuntu-locoteams and that ^
[20:27] <Rafig> nono
[20:27] <LjL> yesyes
[20:27] <Rafig> adress of Canonical
[20:27]  * Tm_T huggles Rafig
[20:27] <pangolin> Canonical does not have an address for community disputes
[20:27] <Rafig> Canonical too have adress for it
[20:28] <Myrtti> why?
[20:28] <beuno> Rafig, did I mention I work for Canonical already?  There is no address
[20:28] <Rafig> and just for disputes?
[20:28] <pangolin> this is not a complicated concept. The community handles its own issues
[20:28] <Tm_T> Rafig: there, no community disputes mentioned? http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact
[20:28] <bazhang> Rafig, #ubuntu-ru ?
[20:29] <Rafig> Canonicla does not solve the problem of teams but have email adress for complains u not undestand (
[20:29] <bazhang> Rafig, which local team
[20:31] <Rafig> I do not want to raise the extra noise
[20:31] <bazhang> Rafig, Russian loco?
[20:32] <Rafig> Sorry confidential information
[20:32] <bazhang> Rafig, ok
[20:32] <pangolin> if you won't explain we can't help you.
[20:32] <pangolin> We told you what we could based on the information you gave us.
[20:32] <bazhang> Rafig, you got the email for the loco team mailing list. email them
[20:32] <Rafig> I would like to speak with the boss
[20:33] <pangolin> There is no boss.
[20:33] <LjL> there is no boss
[20:33] <bazhang> they are the boss
[20:33] <bazhang> whoops
[20:33] <bazhang> 2/3
[20:33] <Tm_T> there is no "the boss", there is community
[20:34] <Tm_T> bazhang: 4/4 now (;
[20:34] <Rafig> I just do not need to write in locoteam, please do understand me
[20:34] <bazhang> Rafig, need more info then
[20:34] <bazhang> Rafig, which team.
[20:34] <Rafig> is a personal matter
[20:35] <bazhang> ok Rafig well you have the correct email.
[20:35] <pangolin> again, we can not help if you don't provide us with more information.
[20:35] <Rafig> we must solve it without extra ears sorry
[20:35] <LjL> Rafig: ok so it's clear that we can't help you.
[20:36] <Rafig> in any case, you already said you did not know this address
[20:36] <bazhang> ...
[20:36] <Myrtti> Rafig<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:36] <LjL> correct. we do not know of a Canonical address for community complaints
[20:36] <LjL> (because there isn't one)
[20:36] <LjL> so we can't help you
[20:36] <Rafig> can you ask it for the future
[20:37] <Tm_T> Rafig: beuno already gave the answer, let's stop this now
[20:37] <Rafig> it exists, just that you do not have
[20:37] <beuno> ok, sure
[20:38] <topyli> Rafig: this is clearly useleless. if there is nothing else, please leave the channel. we don't allow idling or useless chatter here
[20:39] <Rafig> oh, np
[20:39] <bazhang> is pinportal making any sense?
[20:39] <Rafig> sorry if what
[20:40] <Rafig> i go find adress in google
[20:40] <Rafig> bb all!
[20:40] <topyli> thanks
[20:40] <Tm_T> bye, good luck (:
[20:40] <Rafig> one m plz
[20:40] <Rafig> adress of Shatlwort please?
[20:40] <LjL> find it in google
[20:40] <pangolin> you can find it on his blog
[20:41] <Rafig> ?
[20:41] <topyli> Rafig: this has nothing to do with your problem. you can find mark shuttleworth's address with any search engine
[20:41] <topyli> please leave this channel
[20:42] <Rafig> sure
[20:42] <Rafig> just i want talk with Mark about future of Ubuntu
[22:28] <h00k> I'm not playing with that anymore :(
[23:24] <FreeNET> hi
[23:24] <FreeNET> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned)
[23:24] <FreeNET> help me pls
[23:25] <FreeNET> why me banned?
[23:36] <LjL> let me see
[23:37] <LjL> FreeNET: you should change your quit message. we have a language policy in the channels.


[22:42] <vikramjohn> Hi everyone! I just dropped in to say Hi. I'd like to contribute to Ubuntu Documentation though I know very little about Ubuntu right now.


[20:38] <tsimonq2> Looks like lubuntu-installer-prompt is in the process of migrating. I had to retry both ppc64el and riscv64 builds, which were depwait for some odd reason.
[20:39] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-installer-prompt/1.1.0-0ubuntu1/+publishinghistory
[20:39] <tsimonq2> I'll give it an hour from the publish time, give or take, then retry the ISO.
[20:39] <tsimonq2> Attention QA testers: there will be a 20231216.1 with updated installer prompt functionality, courtesy of arraybolt3. :)
[22:40] <guiverc> :)
 *pokes @tsimomq2 on other developer issues*