[00:44] <ZachD> hai
[00:44] <ZachD> how everyone?
[00:45] <ZachD> so what is xubuntu?
[04:07] <sml1226> trying to compile but get error, No package 'gtk+-2.0' found , how do I get the package
[04:08] <sml1226> knome you may have helped me with this before
[04:11] <sml1226> anybody know how to get gtk+-2.0 package? odd name or what?
[04:12] <TheSheep> you nee libgtk-something-dev
[04:12] <TheSheep> you need*
[04:12] <TheSheep> search with synaptic
[04:12] <sml1226> thanks
[04:12] <TheSheep> not sure what 'something' is
[04:13] <TheSheep> libgtk2.0-dev
[04:13] <TheSheep> here it is
[04:17] <sml1226> ok great
[04:39] <sml1226> now missing libwnck-1.0 any clue of package name for apt-get?
[04:46] <sml1226> TheSheep know this one? libwnck-1.0
[04:46] <TheSheep> just search for it in synaptic
[04:46] <TheSheep> and install the -dev package of it
[04:48] <sml1226> well thanks again see if its there (SLOWLY)
[05:18] <sml1226> how do I make a .deb?
[05:24] <sml1226> TheSheep how does searching synaptic work? type in the missing package name and look at results? if so I get no results
[05:25] <sml1226> oops missing package name, i meant from error message
[05:25] <TheSheep> sml1226: you type the search terms in the search dialog
[05:26] <TheSheep> sml1226: not in the quicksearch
[05:27] <sml1226> searching for gtk+-2.0 would have got the libgtk2/0-dev result?
[05:27] <sml1226> well if thats my prob then thanks, I'll try one more time then
[05:43] <raevol> hey all, i have a bunch of libraries that are showing up in synaptic as being "local or obsolete"
[05:43] <raevol> i have no idea what they are, they have been there since a clean install of 9.04
[05:43] <raevol> is it safe to remove them?
[06:46] <Ramla> is thunar still as stable as a drunken madman on a pogostick in 9.04 or should i consider switching to another file manager instead?
[06:52] <kuhzoo> greetings
[06:57] <kuhzoo> how do I stop my computer (latest xubuntu with default sound configuration) from playing whatever the mic picks up
[06:57] <kuhzoo> ?
[07:00] <Ramla> i'd launch alsamixer in a terminal and mute the mic channel
[07:03] <kuhzoo> that makes it really hard to play around with recording programs like audacity
[07:04] <kuhzoo> putting on headphones would get rid of the symptom, but I'd rather not need to grab head phones every time I want to play with audacity
[07:05] <Ramla> i would suppose recording has different settings than playback, however i haven't ever recorded anything in linux
[11:22] <ringo999> i just installed the latest xubuntu release. "listen" music player seems to miss some gstreamer plugins (i.e. for mp3)?
[11:23] <ringo999> also wondering about german keyboard settings on a Macbook. I think I tried every possible combination...
[11:25] <cody-somerville> Install the xubuntu-restricted-extras package
[11:26] <ringo999> ok
[11:33] <SiDi> ringo999, what is you yesterday who asked about macbook german keyboard ?
[11:33] <SiDi> Applications -> Settings -> Keyboard -> Layout tab
[11:33] <SiDi> Keyboard model -> MacBook
[11:33] <SiDi> Keyboard layout -> german
[11:35] <ringo999> SiDi: yes, i think i already tried that setting but I will do it again
[11:36] <ringo999> SiDi: i need to restart xserver for the settings to take effect? how do i do that from terminal?
[11:47] <SiDi> you need to restart the session, yes
[11:59] <ringo999_> SiDi: still no luck :-(
[12:03] <SiDi> ringo999_, i dont know then, sorry
[12:08] <ringo999_> SiDi: ok
[12:09] <ricemark20> anyone use gwibber?
[12:16] <ricemark20> hello.. what is error 401 in gwibber?
[12:17] <SiDi> http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E401.html
[12:17] <SiDi> ricemark20, probably wrong id/password
[12:17] <ricemark20> tried that
[12:17] <ricemark20> ..thanks
[12:23] <ricemark20> apparently a bug with gwibber and twitter in the new version: 1.0.2  https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/360468
[12:33] <ricemark20> where can i get the tarball for gwibber 1.0.1
[12:40] <SiDi> !info gwibber jaunty
[12:41] <SiDi> !info gwibber karmic
[12:42] <SiDi> Try the web, or search gwibber on launchpad
[12:45] <ricemark20> tried the web and launchpad
[12:45] <cody-somerville> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber
[12:48] <SiDi> Where did you get 1.0.2 ?
[12:48] <ricemark20> apt-get installed it
[12:48] <ablomen> hey, is there a way to stop resolv.conf recreate itself (wrong) every time i boot (9.04 updated from beta updated from 8.10)? it always overwrites my own resolv.conf with the dns set to the ip of my router, not the dns server i actually use
[12:49] <SiDi> ricemark20, err, karmic doesnt even have 1.0.0
[12:50] <SiDi> ablomen, right click the network applet
[12:50] <SiDi> Edit connections -> chose the connection which you want to use with a custom DNS server
[12:50] <SiDi> Click on 'edit', go to the last tab, and replace the "DHCP" method by "DHCP - addresses only"
[12:51] <SiDi> and then put your custom DNS ip on the DNS text field ;)
[12:51] <ricemark20> you are right, i was checking launchpad and they said there was a 1.0.2
[12:51] <ricemark20> my bad
[12:51] <ablomen> SiDi, ah cool thanks ill try that when i get home, yet another thing network manager breaks \o/
[12:51] <SiDi> ricemark20, the only solution if there is no 1.0.1 package would be to grab the source from launchpad and revert it to the revision before the bad code was included
[12:52] <SiDi> and i dont know how to do it, ricemark20 :)
[12:52] <cody-somerville> Just download the older version deb
[12:52] <cody-somerville> and install it
[12:52] <SiDi> ablomen, it doesnt break them :) it automates them :)
[12:52] <ricemark20> 0.7?
[12:53] <ablomen> hmm well its the 3rd time it "automates" something in the wrong way, ah well, thanks for the fix :)
[12:53] <Pres-Gas> Hey all
[12:53] <SiDi> ricemark20, remove the one you installed and use the normal one from jaunty's repo
[12:54] <ricemark20> i did
[12:55] <ricemark20> i installed from the terminal, and I run jaunty
[12:55] <SiDi> hi Pres-Gas
[14:56] <ringo999> still stuck with getting my german macbook keyboard to work. can't really work without a functioning keyboard..
[15:13] <ringo999> hat i'm wondering is, where does xubuntu store the keyboard mapping?
[15:13] <ringo999> on debian i used to configure the settings in xorg.conf
[16:22] <firsm> Can you guys recommend ubuntu lpia over traditional xubuntu from a stability-wise point of view?
[16:25] <cody-somerville> lpia is useless
[16:27] <firsm> as I understand it, it just uses different compiler flags, but not all packages have been compiled as lpia "arch", so you're forced to to --force-all all the time
[16:33] <cody-somerville> firsm, no, the entire archive has been compiled with LPIA
[16:33] <cody-somerville> firsm, but LPIA provides no performance benefit
[16:33] <cody-somerville> Intel was planning on doing some stuff but it never materialized, atleast not in gcc
[16:33] <firsm> it's supposed to provide lower power consumption
[16:33] <cody-somerville> but it doesn't
[16:34] <firsm> mh, ok
[16:34] <firsm> I guess I'll just go with xubuntu i386 then
[16:37] <firsm> well, the alternate iso image doesn't seem to work on my usb stick as it won't continue without a cd-rom drive
[17:06] <firsm> well, now I tried usb-creator, when I boot the usb stick now the install says "failed to copy file from cd-rom" while loading installer components, any idea?
[17:50] <cody-somerville> firsm, for the alternative install, you need to append 'cdrom-detect/try-usb=true' to the boot opts
[17:50] <firsm> cody-somerville: ah, thanks
[17:54] <Zimm3r> Any way I speed up ubuntu when it is installing updates
[18:02] <Zimm3r> Anyone in??
[18:24] <TheSheep> use a local mirror
[18:24] <Zimm3r> I mean my system
[18:25] <TheSheep> any way there was, it has been done already by default
[18:26] <TheSheep> closing firefox might help if you're upgrading gtk-related packages
[18:27] <TheSheep> it has a bug that makes it take a lot of cpu on any change to gtk
[18:27] <Zimm3r> ya I did and it help somewhat :)
[19:39] <firsm> Does anybody know how to disable ssh-agent? Uncommenting use-ssh-agent in /etc/X11/Xsession.options does not work
[20:23] <mikubuntu> hey guys.  i just got this toshiba p35 s605 harman kardon edition laptop... sposd to have great (harman kardon) sound, but i can't get any volume out of it, all the sliders are set to high, but i still dont get volume.  any ideas?
[21:15] <ron_o> my harddrive seek times sometimes are extraordinarily long. Any suggestions on why this might be?
[21:20] <ron_o> to explain further when I open up a directory with many items, like my browser cache, it might take a minute or more before I can do anything with my computer. In the mean time I can hear my HD activitiy like it's going and going and going.
[21:20] <ron_o> this is even after a restart.
[21:23] <TheSheep> ron_o: check for suspicious logs in dmesg
[21:24] <TheSheep> !sound | mikubuntu
[21:26] <ron_o> my dmesg is filled with this: Dropped INPUT packet: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC= [ .......... ]. I have some problems with my internet connection that I can't figure out. So dmesg is about useless.
[21:26] <TheSheep> ron_o: well, skip those, look for any disk messages
[21:27] <ron_o> I can't skip those. Dmesg is full of those and those alone. :(
[21:27] <TheSheep> so?
[21:28] <TheSheep> just look at the others
[21:28] <TheSheep> it's not like they were removed
[21:30] <ron_o> I'll keep looking but right now every single one starts with "Dropped ..... "
[21:36] <TheSheep> dmesg | grep -v "^Dropped" | less
[22:08] <unitxt> TheSheep: What's an example of a suspicious log? I am just curious, that's all. Or should I ask something like this in ##security instead?
[22:09] <TheSheep> unitxt: in this case you are looking for io errors
[22:09] <TheSheep> unitxt: something like 'error reading from device xxx block yyy
[22:15] <kill3r> can someone help me
[22:15] <kill3r> i want to change the theme of xubuntu on my laptop that is dual booted with windows vista and i  want to use the live free or die hard theme can anyone please help me
[22:16] <charlie-tca> !theme | kill3r
[22:16] <unitxt> TheSheep: Hmm...Ok. I see. Then something like 'dmesg | grep "error" could *possibly* turn up something suspicious.
[22:16] <kill3r> i have the theme already downloaded i just need help finding where to install it
[22:17] <kill3r> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=66714&forumpage=2\
[22:17] <charlie-tca> put it in ~/.themes
[22:17] <kill3r> witch is where
[22:17] <TheSheep> in ~
[22:17] <unitxt> btw, thanks again.
[22:17] <TheSheep> in your home directory
[22:17] <charlie-tca> You create it in your /home/USER directory
[22:17] <kill3r> so
[22:17] <TheSheep> make sure to enable showing hidden files in 'view'
[22:17] <kill3r> /home/kill3r/.themes
[22:17] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:18] <kill3r> so i have to make the .themes
[22:18] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:18] <charlie-tca> mkdir /home/kill3r/.themes
[22:20] <kill3r> ok im in the folder
[22:20] <kill3r> now what?
[22:20] <kill3r> and btw im use to backtrack 3
[22:20] <TheSheep> unpack your downloaded theme there
[22:21] <kill3r> there is a icons,wallpaper and a emerald window border in the folder
[22:22] <TheSheep> these will have to go somewhere else
[22:22] <TheSheep> well, emerald theme won't work, unless you are using compiz with emerald. xfce uses its own window border themes
[22:22] <TheSheep> icons you put in ~/.icons
[22:23] <kill3r> kk
[22:23] <TheSheep> wallpaper goes enywhere you want
[22:23] <kill3r> i have the wallpaper on already
[22:23] <kill3r> i just need the icons and the emerald winder boder
[22:24] <TheSheep> xfce doesn't do emerald themes, only emerald does
[22:24] <kill3r> so how do i get the emerald theme 2 work?
[22:24] <kill3r> and in the icon folder i have gTangish2.0a2.tar.bz2
[22:25] <kill3r> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=66714&forumpage=2
[22:25] <kill3r> is the link to the theme
[22:26] <TheSheep> the emerald theme will only work with emerald
[22:26] <kill3r> so what is emerald??
[22:26] <TheSheep> can't get it to work with xfce
[22:26] <TheSheep> !info emerald
[22:26] <kill3r> so how do i get it
[22:26] <kill3r> ?
[22:27] <kill3r> do i need to install ubuntu
[22:27] <TheSheep> !compiz
[22:27] <kill3r> so do i need to install ubuntu or can i do it with xubuntu???
[22:28] <kill3r> anyone??
[22:29] <TheSheep> you can do it with xubuntu that has it's xfce window manager replaced with compiz
[22:29] <TheSheep> its
[22:29] <kill3r> how will i do that?
[22:29] <TheSheep> see 4 lines above
[22:30] <kill3r> kk
[22:31] <kill3r> firefox just locked up
[22:34] <kill3r_> what if i use this themem
[22:34] <kill3r_> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[22:34] <kill3r_> Die Hard 4.0 GTK theme
[22:34] <kill3r_>    0.2
[22:34] <kill3r_> could i use that one
[22:34] <kill3r_> that is gtk 2.0 theme/style
[22:35] <kill3r_> ???
[22:35] <kill3r_> anyone?
[22:36] <kill3r_> !gtk
[22:36] <kill3r_> !GIMP
[22:36] <charlie-tca> kill3r: it should work
[22:37] <charlie-tca> There is no guarantee the entire theme will work in Xfce, thouhg
[22:37] <kill3r_> so i should use ubuntu???
[22:38] <charlie-tca> If the theme is that important to you, probably
[22:38] <kill3r_> ok then i will go install unbuntu then
[23:08] <PDG1> hello?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> !hi | PDG1
[23:09] <PDG1> so... I've got a really old laptop, I've been using puppy on it for a while. but I realized I really don't like it
[23:10] <charlie-tca> how much memory?
[23:10] <PDG1> I think it's 128
[23:10] <PDG1> I can't remember
[23:10] <PDG1> I originally thought 192... but Xubuntu wouldn't install
[23:10] <charlie-tca> less than 256mb is going to run slow, and you will not be able to open more than 1 app at a time
[23:10] <PDG1> it was running win98 when i got it
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Use the alternate cd
[23:11] <PDG1> so I have the alternate CD...
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Live cd will take about 5 hours or more
[23:11] <charlie-tca> what version?
[23:11] <PDG1> it did
[23:11] <PDG1> lol
[23:11] <PDG1> I just burnt it a month ago
[23:11] <PDG1> or maybe less
[23:11] <PDG1> maybe it was end of may
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Is it giving any errors?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Does the cd pass md5sum and check disk for errors ?
[23:12] <PDG1> a couple... I can't remember exactly what errors
[23:12] <PDG1> I'm checking the disk right now
[23:13] <PDG1> but I heard there were a few things i could do to make it a little less mem intensive
[23:13] <PDG1> like removing the auto update or something
[23:13] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:13] <charlie-tca> but not until it is installed
[23:14] <PDG1> does that mean i have to remaster? or is there a way to set that before the install?
[23:14] <PDG1> darn
[23:14] <charlie-tca> No, just means removing update notifier option in software sources
[23:14] <PDG1> test is 95 % done... I'll see waht errors it gives me when i try to boot it
[23:15] <PDG1> CD is valid
[23:16] <PDG1> during the boot
[23:17] <charlie-tca> after installation, go to Synaptic Package Manager, settings, repositories, Updates tab and unchceck "Check for Updates"
[23:17] <PDG1> is there any way i can see what's happening? like.. comand line
[23:17] <charlie-tca> There is a command line install option, one the f-keys will give it to you
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Mostly, it is waiting on video to draw the screen so you can see it
[23:18] <PDG1> okay... I'll just do a fresh install
[23:19] <charlie-tca> When I take memory down to 64mb and video to 4mb, it takes extremely long to draw each screen. I get a black screen while waiting
[23:19] <PDG1> I'm seeing a lot of lines that say package has zero elements when i first boot up
[23:20] <PDG1> know what that means?
[23:20] <bruce> fdsasdf
[23:20] <charlie-tca> no, it might mean the cd is bad, even if it passes the tests
[23:20] <PDG1> hmmm
[23:20] <PDG1> like... the CD itself... not the burn?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I did have one the entire drive was bad, but I would try another burn first
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I could do all the installs execpt one on that bad drive, and they worked. That was like 15 installs, and one failed in the middle. The cd drive was bad
[23:22] <PDG1> crap...
[23:22] <PDG1> I guess i could try from USB
[23:22] <charlie-tca> I would burn another cd-r and try that, though
[23:23] <PDG1> good idea
[23:24] <bruce_> what is xfce's option for a program similar to digikam ?
[23:26] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: sorry i got disconnected ... about my sound, yes, i have the sound prefs set to alsa, but still get very low volume.  if you look at http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/toshiba_satellite_p35-s605_noteboook.html  in the third paragraph it describes what should be great sound capabilities, but i'm not getting it ...
[23:29] <PDG1> I'm also trying to install again
[23:31] <PDG1> otherwise... if Xubuntu is really not going to work
[23:31] <PDG1> any suggestions for an Os that could replace windows 98 on older laptops?
[23:32] <PDG1> that isn't puppy or DSL?
[23:36] <ron_o> try fluxbuntu PDG1
[23:36] <ron_o> or just install fluxbox on Xubuntu
[23:37] <PDG1> hmm
[23:37] <ron_o> but fluxbuntu might have a smaller footprint with better support for older systems than xubuntu with fluxbox installed.
[23:37] <ron_o> DSL uses fluxbox but isn't supported as well as *buntu
[23:37] <PDG1> so the difference between fluxubuntu and xubuntu with fluxbox is?
[23:38] <ron_o> fluxbuntu is made with a smaller footprint all together from the get go.
[23:38] <PDG1> ohh
[23:38] <PDG1> you said that
[23:38] <PDG1> sorry
[23:38] <ron_o> with fluxbox you may have to manipulate it in order to stop some scripts from starting ... etc..
[23:39] <PDG1> so if there was like... 100 MB of available mem... would that work well?
[23:39] <PDG1> or does it need a bit more oomf
[23:39] <ron_o> hmmm, that's kind of, well, small. :)
[23:39] <PDG1> yeah... I think I've got 128
[23:39] <PDG1> I can't remember what it said
[23:39] <ron_o> it would as long as you didn't run any heavy apps like firefox or any GUI browser.
[23:39] <ron_o> that's where you'll run into problems, see?
[23:39] <PDG1> yeah
[23:40] <PDG1> it was running win98 well
[23:40] <PDG1> and puppy linux ran pretty good
[23:40] <ron_o> puppy is great but it has its own fricking .pup binary apps..
[23:40] <PDG1> that's what kind of drove me
[23:40] <ron_o> you won't have access to all those great apps from Debian.
[23:41] <PDG1> supposedly there's a way to install debian apps
[23:41] <PDG1> but I like how seemless buntu has been
[23:41] <ron_o> I'd stick with fluxbuntu and see how it goes, but with that little RAM you're going to run into trouble with any heavy GUI apps.
[23:42] <PDG1> yup... gedit and calculator for me
[23:42] <PDG1> lol
[23:42] <ron_o> you see, you *can* run linux on an old system, but it's not really advisable except for specific use, like a firewall or something or for those folks who don't mine the Terminal.
[23:42] <ron_o> yah, you're going to run into trouble.
[23:42] <PDG1> yeah... it's not going to be my power house
[23:43] <ron_o> I ran a 1.6Ghz with 350+RAM and it did just fine with fluxbox on xubuntu.
[23:43] <ron_o> but what's your CPU speed?
[23:43] <PDG1> it's a P3... I think coppermine
[23:43] <ron_o> so really slow. Wow..
[23:43] <ron_o> less than 500MHz I am sure.
[23:44] <PDG1> it says... designed for Win2000 pro or 98
[23:44] <ron_o> you can get by with it, but you better pick your apps well.
[23:44] <PDG1> yeah....
[23:45] <ron_o> I used Opera without any java/javascript/plugins running and it ran decently.
[23:45] <PDG1> I mean... I really would use puppy or DSL
[23:45] <PDG1> opera's slick
[23:45] <PDG1> I didn't know just how cool till I got a BB storm from work to demo
[23:45] <PDG1> I put Opera mini on it
[23:45] <ron_o> DSL is debian based. But I'd just find out what apps DSL uses and go with Fluxbuntu and copy them.
[23:45] <PDG1> the web goes like stink
[23:46] <ron_o> yah..
[23:46] <ron_o> never used Opera mini.
[23:46] <PDG1> it's good... the storm is a bit of a pain in the ass
[23:46] <PDG1> but opera mini is good
[23:47] <ron_o> Opera is great, yes, but I have found on this system, which is extremely fast dualcore, opera keeps sucking  a ton of memory when I leave it open with a lot of tabs open and plugins running.
[23:48] <PDG1> weird
[23:50] <ron_o> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[23:50] <ron_o> yah, it's weird. I can have like 1.5GB or memory coming mostly from Opera... maybe 4/5 from Opera.
[23:53] <ron_o> I might give that low memory system a try on Virtualbox to see how it goes. The thing is, if it were as easy as that page makes it seem, then all the other *buntus wouldn't be needed.
[23:53] <ron_o> use it as a learning experience.
[23:55] <PDG1> thanks
[23:55] <PDG1> I'll try that
[23:56] <ron_o> PDG1, there's also a way, that I've not tried yet, of creating your very own LiveCD without handrolling it yourself. Check out the web for more info.
[23:56] <ron_o> you could create something that runs totally in RAM and save all your data to maybe a USB drive or your Hard drive.
[23:56] <ron_o> with linux, it's endless. Have fun. :)
[23:57] <PDG1> right now I'm thinking I might be able to up the swap file...
[23:57] <ron_o> like have your own eeepc.
[23:57] <PDG1> lol...except... it's friggin huge
[23:57] <ron_o> you can always do that. That ain't the problem. The problem is the swap file is so damn slow.
[23:57] <PDG1> it's a dell inspiron 5000
[23:58] <ron_o> yah. well. I didn't say for your desktop. :)
[23:58] <PDG1> yeah... i guess you're right... it needs to be able to write to the swap fast enough to make it worthwihile
[23:59] <ron_o> in your case, having a separate harddrive for such a slow computer would be advisable.
[23:59] <ron_o> *for your swap
[23:59] <ron_o> I might try that myself. I've only got like 2 dozen hard drives hanging around.


[19:00] <alex_mayorga1> bryceh: you there?
[19:03] <alex_mayorga1> bug 696104 here
[19:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 696104 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "nvidia 320m locks up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696104
[19:04] <alex_mayorga1> I have ssh to the laptop locked out right here, what can I gather?
[19:29] <alex_mayorga1> no one?
[20:40] <pcjc2> alex_mayorga1: Sorry - no idea for Nouveau
[20:41] <pcjc2> Does the Nouveau driver expose anything under /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0 like the Intel one does?
[20:47] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: I do se these on /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0
[20:47] <alex_mayorga1> bufs     chipset  evict_vram  memory  queues         vbios.rom  vma
[20:47] <alex_mayorga1> channel  clients  gem_names   name    ttm_page_pool  vm
[20:48] <pcjc2> bufs, "gem_names" "ttm_page_pool", "vm" "might" be interesting
[20:48] <pcjc2> pastebin if they are big?
[20:48] <pcjc2> TBH, I don't know what I'm looking for though
[20:48] <alex_mayorga1> anyway yo attach them to the bug report from a ssh console?
[20:49] <pcjc2> not that my LP foo can manage, sorry
[20:49] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: OK, thanks anyway
[20:51] <pcjc2> you can email additions to bug reports
[20:51] <pcjc2> but it has been a long time since I used a terminal based email client ;)
[20:52] <pcjc2> Also, you can access launchpad through a terminal based web-browser, such as "w3m"
[20:54] <tjaalton> just copy the contents locally, and attach to the bug later
[20:55]  * pcjc2 missed that rather obvious suggestion ;)
[20:56] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[20:57] <pcjc2> Bryce about?
[20:58] <tjaalton> it's sunday, so probably having quality time off work :)
[21:08] <Amaranth> tjaalton: probably flying
[21:59] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: there's also a /sys/kernel/debug/dri/64 folder shall I copy that one too?
[21:59] <pcjc2> I don't think that is as useful
[22:00] <pcjc2> tjaalton: quality time -> disallowed ;)
[22:00] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: sorry on the slow response, had to go deal with real life :)
[22:00] <pcjc2> I'm working on something too... _very_ slowly writing a robot for managing bugs using launchpad APi
[22:02] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: sounds like fun
[22:03] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: is that a public project
[22:03] <pcjc2> bogged down in database design at the moment
[22:03] <pcjc2> Not currently, but it can be. Nothing fancy mind.. just a hook to retrieve "Closes-bug: lp-12345" messages from git commits and make comments / status updates on bugs
[22:04] <pcjc2> The tricky bit is that to ensure it works reliably (around LP downtime etc..), I need to have the git hook stuff work into a queue (a sqilte database), and then prod the robot - which will also be run periodically from a cron job
[22:05] <pcjc2> The tricky bit is the DB design, and deciding just what to do for reverted commits, forced updates etc..
[22:07] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: I see
[22:09] <alex_mayorga1> OK I've copied the contents of both dri/0 and dri/64 anything else?
[22:10] <alex_mayorga1> funny enough the lock up stays even when the laptop suspends itself and I resume it :)
[22:18] <pcjc2> Not sure
[22:19] <pcjc2> Something is waiting for something -> lock
[22:19] <pcjc2> Do you have compiz running?
[22:41] <alex_mayorga1> pcjc2: no as far as I know, anyway to tell from a console if compiz is going
[23:01] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga1: pgrep compiz


[00:56] <neo69> hi
[00:57] <neo69> when I try to update I get this error "E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main Sources
[00:57] <neo69> 404 Not Found"
[00:57] <neo69> what can I do to fix it?
[04:07] <felipe__> ass
[04:07] <felipe__> damn any body on?
[06:37] <Guest1365>  thank you kubuntu makers i am so pleased to be free of the egunics freek
[06:37] <Guest1365> eugenics
[06:37] <Guest1365> i will never go back
[06:38] <Guest1365> i can do verything i need to do with it
[06:39] <Guest1365> i will make a donaation when i get the cash
[07:02] <soee> Riddell, here?
[11:26] <enelya> hi jemand da?
[11:27] <duesedau> joa hier
[11:28] <enelya> wie geht das denn mit dem auto scrolling in chats das man nicht immer runter scrollen muss sondern es automatisch geht..
[11:30] <duesedau> du fragst sachen..nutze den IRC grad mal seit 5 min
[11:31] <enelya> dachte bist vom team
[11:31] <duesedau> nein,leider nicht
[11:45] <enelya> jeman vom team da?
[11:46] <Tm_T> !de | enelya
[13:02] <zJh> Hello
[13:03] <zJh> Any body
[13:03] <zJh> ?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:37] <testlab> hei, good afternoon from italy!
[14:37] <testlab> I have a question:with the following command: "nc -l -p 4000 | while read var" I store into var a number, sent by a tcp channel.  How can I send back var+1 into the same channel?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> testlab, that's a command you might get answered at #ubuntu .it's a much larger channel with a better chance for a reply
[16:43] <Hydrant_> hey all
[16:43] <Hydrant_> I'm trying to install kubuntu on a new lenovo laptop, and this is becoming a living nightmare (first laptop ever with EFI I have bought)
[16:43] <Hydrant_> so I'm booting of a usb disk, and it just does not offer /dev/sd{a,b} as install candidates for destination drives in the installer, but I can find these disks in bash... they are there
[16:44] <BluesKaj> !EFI
[16:44] <BluesKaj> !info EFI
[16:50] <Hydrant_> is there a reason that EFI is going to prevent the disks from being disk canadidates?
[16:50] <Hydrant_> *install candidates
[16:51] <Tm_T> Hydrant_: I don't see what it has to do with EFI at that point
[16:51] <Hydrant_> neither do I, so what is the logic being employed to select drives for install?
[16:52] <Tm_T> good question and unfortunately I don't have an answer
[16:53] <Hydrant_> ubuntu 12.04 is the same, so is kubuntu 12.10... I'm attempting to install 12.04
[16:53] <Hydrant_> so it's not just a  "kubuntu issue"
[16:58] <DarthFrog> Hydrant_: What is being offered as install points?
[17:01] <Hydrant_> DarthFrog: only the USB stick from which I booted the installer
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Hydrant_, were youable to disable UEFI in the BIOS , or is it not an option ?
[17:03] <Hydrant_> yes, I did
[17:04] <Hydrant_> I think the issue might be the drive compat. mode, right now it's ahci... I changed it from RAID
[17:04] <yofel> does parted see the drives?
[17:04] <Hydrant_> just imaging a new usb stick with kubuntu 12.04 to try again
[17:04] <Hydrant_> haven't tried parted
[17:20] <Hydrant_> yofel: parted does see the disk
[17:22] <yofel> hm, then I wonder what's wrong as ubiquity uses parted as backend I think.
[17:23] <Hydrant_> I did lshw, I can see everything
[17:23] <Hydrant_> some people suggest that I should try switching from ahci to IDE mode in the BIOS
[17:23] <Hydrant_> I don't see how that would change anything
[17:24] <yofel> me neither, if parted sees the disks then they're there. Maybe it doesn't show them in the format ubiquity expects
[17:25] <Hydrant_> so random forum suggest to apt-get remove dmraid
[17:25] <yofel> but looking at it again, ubiquity seems to have a lot of custom stuff for disk device management o.O
[17:25] <Hydrant_> now I see the drives!
[17:25] <yofel> so it works without dmraid o.O?
[17:25] <Hydrant_> indeed
[17:26] <yofel> well good... but please file a bug against ubiquity
[17:26] <Hydrant_> is ubiquity the installer
[17:26] <yofel> yes
[17:26] <yofel> best to do that with 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' from the live session
[17:26] <Hydrant_> okay
[17:26] <Hydrant_> what a pain
[17:27] <Hydrant_> so regarding EFI... which is something I haven't kept up with or normally care about, if I disable EFI within the BIOS I should be able to go back to my 1980s ways right?
[17:28] <yofel> from what I heard yes, but I don't have any EFI systems here so can't confirm it
[17:28] <ElectricPrism> How likely is it that KDE will be the first DE to run on wayland?
[17:28] <Hydrant_> hrrm... I get an error from ubuntu-bug "this is not an ubuntu package"
[17:28] <yofel> ...
[17:29] <yofel> Hydrant_: if you have a network connection, try to run 'apt-get update' and try again
[17:30] <Hydrant_> yup that worked
[17:30]  * Hydrant_ really doesn't like having to create accounts to report bugs
[17:31]  * Hydrant_ reports far fewer bugs than he would because of this
[17:31] <tsimpson> the world of spam make it necessary
[17:45] <Hydrant_> okay bug filed
[17:45] <Hydrant_> thx for the help
[18:08] <Hydrant_> well, I get further but now I get I/O errors
[18:46] <graf_dos> tucnak@freenode
[19:37] <tjaart> hi
[19:37] <tjaart> i cant create a partition with partition manager
[19:37] <tjaart> everything is just disabled
[19:45] <OerHeks> tjaart, do you have 4 primairy partitions already? that is the max
[19:45] <tjaart> nope. i only have one ext4 and one swap partition on it
[19:46] <OerHeks> ah, do you try to do that from a running system?
[19:47] <tjaart> i also tried from a bootable cd with no luck
[19:47] <OerHeks> the disk you want to alter, needs to be unmounted/not in use, try to do this with a live cd
[19:47] <tjaart> i dont want to modify the partitions i want to create new ones
[19:48] <tjaart> OerHeks: it sounds a little strange that I cant add a partition to a running system?
[19:48] <tjaart> its free space on the drive after all
[19:49] <OerHeks> try to unmout the drive in live mode in dolphin, and start partitionmanager again, that should work.
[19:49] <Tm_T> tjaart: and partition manager is run with needed rights?
[19:49] <OerHeks> hmm good point Tm_T
[19:49] <tjaart> Tm_T: it asked me for my admin password, i also ran kdesudo manually just in case
[19:50] <tjaart> i can see this in my fdisk -l output: "WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted."
[19:51] <OerHeks> ah, use parted instead of fdisk
[19:51] <tjaart> OerHeks: is there a different ui for it? Doesnt partition manager use it already?
[19:53] <OerHeks> parted needs terminal
[19:58] <R33D3M33R> hello, can somebody tell if there is a way to do a minimal install from standard kubuntu 12.10 iso ...
[20:08] <tjaart> OerHeks: Tm_T FYI KDE partition manager does not support editing of GPT partitions, however the gparted application does
[20:09] <tjaart> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-60281.html <- people whining about it
[20:24] <vitimiti> (·_·)/
[21:54] <Takesh1> smith iam here
[21:58] <Takesh1> Smith i am Here
[22:05] <Takesh1> Smith i am Here
[22:05] <lordievader> !patience | Takesh1
[22:06] <Takesh1> sorry
[22:13] <jordan4ibanez> Hello, I am on zorinos, i am using the nvidia beta 304 driver and am using a gtx 350
[22:14] <jordan4ibanez> Every time i switch windows , the contents turn white
[22:14] <jordan4ibanez> This happens with the beta 310 driver too


[07:10] <icey> looking at update_excuses, I notice that there are a lot with "Will attempt migration (Any information below is purely informational) " - and some of those are 3+ weeks old. There doesn't really seem to be any action to take but I'd appreciate learning more!
[08:09] <laney> icey: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#I_still_don.27t_understand.21__The_proposed-migration_scripts_say_that_this_package_is_a_valid_candidate.2C_but_it_still_hasn.27t_gone_into_the_release_pocket.
[08:09] <icey> thanks laney!
[08:10] <laney> for example the oldest one says:
[08:10] <laney> skipped: rust-grcov (0, 0, 11) got: 30+0: a-0:a-0:a-0:i-1:p-0:r-29:s-0 * riscv64: librust-grcov-dev
[08:10] <laney> so you'd look into why librust-grcov-dev isn't installable on riscv64 and try to fix that if posisble
[08:12] <icey> ah, cool! thanks for more new links to follow :)
[08:14] <laney> have fun :-)
[08:23] <icey> ok - since I'm probably misunderstanding something: gnome-weather (depends on libgweather) has something like "skipped: gnome-weather (0, 90, 41) got: 31+0: a-2:a-0:a-0:i-1:p-0:r-28:s-0", but it and libgweather seem to build fine on amd64 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-weather/40.0-1) and I've just installed them in an AMD64 impish container (from proposed) just fine - I'm guessing that the failure to migrate is that other things that depend
[08:23] <icey> on libgweather (or gnome-weather) are currently blocking it?
[08:23] <icey> such as: gnome migrating from 3.38 to 40.2
[08:28] <laney> icey: further on down in update-output.txt there's an attempt where gnome-weather is tried with lots of other packages ("search for 'gnome-weather/'") that must go together with it because of a library transition
[08:28] <laney> eventually you can work out it's because gnome-shell is missing, and that's being worked on by Trevinh_o currently
[08:29] <laney> sorry for the "weird 'quoting'" there
[08:29] <icey> heh no worries
[08:31] <icey> looking at the 2 (?) sections with 'gnome-weather/' in them, I do see gnome-shell, but it seems like it's just another thing in a list
[08:41] <slyon> sil2100: have you already been able to have a look at the missing bileto test results? I see the same issue here: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4602
[08:54] <laney> yeah the rest of it is stuff that depends on gnome-shell
[08:54] <laney> well, didn't check it all
[08:54] <laney> at least most of the rest
[09:11] <sil2100> slyon: hey! Yes, I have filled in an RT in the morning to investigate that with IS - looks like there are some issues with connecting to the AMQP queue
[09:11] <sil2100> Which might either mean some credentials being busted
[09:11] <slyon> ok, thanks!
[09:11] <sil2100> But I can't debug this myself as only IS has access to Bileto
[09:11] <sil2100> I'll continue poking them about it!
[11:50] <slyon> rbasak: Hey! In May you mentioned a draft regarding "network-online.target" which you prepared to send to debian-devel@ ... Did that email/draft already go out? I cannot find it... Could you share the email (or draft) with me?
[11:51] <slyon> I'm currently trying to formalize the definition of "network-online" in a spec.
[12:55] <rbasak> slyon: I did not - I got trumped by a thread on ubuntu-devel@ instead
[12:56] <rbasak> slyon: 12 May
[12:56] <slyon> rbasak: ok. I'm aware of that ubuntu-devel@ thread
[12:57] <slyon> I was just wondering if there is anything to add from your side, so that I can have the full picture before writing it down
[12:57] <rbasak> slyon: from my research, it is effectively defined well in the specific cases of networkd and NetworkManager if you follow the systemd breadcrumbs.
[12:57] <rbasak> However that definition isn't perfect for our needs, I don't think
[12:59] <slyon> ACK. there is "systemd-networkd-wait-online" and "nm-online" and I will consider their man-pages accordingly.
[12:59] <slyon> Thanks!
[12:59] <rbasak> slyon: also note the arguments they're called with on a default Ubuntu
[12:59] <rbasak> IIRC, there are some
[13:01] <slyon> Yeah, we're using the defaults for "systemd-networkd-wait-online" (at least on my running system). But we do "nm-online -s", which means: do not wait on any connection, but only for the NetworkManager daemon to be started.
[13:04] <slyon> which makes sense in a desktop scenario where we do not want NM to wait for a wifi connection setup.
[13:06] <rbasak> One issue arises when some packages might be configured to provide some network functionality. For example named serving DNS authoritatively bound to particular interfaces might need to wait until the "network is up". But for named configured as a local recursive resolver, it's the opposite.
[13:07] <rbasak> Therefore I don't like bug reports telling us that they configured their daemon in a particular way, it didn't work, and therefore our packaged systemd dependency tree is wrong and should be changed. Because I feel that only considers a narrow use case.
[13:08] <rbasak> Separately, I expect that there will always be cases where if you configure one thing in one place, you're expected/required to configure another thing in another to match (in this case the systemd service unit's dependencies).
[13:09] <rbasak> Another example of this general principle is if a user configures a daemon to use a path outside its default confined AppArmor profile. Then in addition to the configuration change to the daemon, the AppArmor profile also needs adjusting.
[13:09] <rbasak> Stuff like "I configured sshd to bind on an interface but it fails to start because you're not waiting on network-online.target". But there's another user who expects "ssh localhost" to work early.
[14:40] <slyon> Yes, I expect that there will be edge cases as well. But as discussed at ubuntu-devel@ I think those should probably be rejected as non-default and the admin is asked to manually adopt the configuration (in all relevant places).
[14:41] <slyon> I will consider your examples and possibly add them to the spec as well!


[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:22] <mandel> morning!
[09:59] <Nicekiwi> is there an Ubuntu-One extension/Script/Plug-in for Thunar?
[10:40] <dpm> hi all. I was looking at bug 1063170 and I can't figure out where the "Purchased from Ubuntu One" string comes from in the plugin code. Could someone give me a hand?
[10:47] <mandel> dpm, hm.. let me take a look for you
[10:53] <dpm> thanks
[11:05] <mandel> dpm, AFAIK that is in that name because the folder name of the music that has been purchased from ubuntuone is named like that
[11:06] <gatox> good morning
[11:06] <mandel> dpm, so, ideally you will want us to make the folder path translatable
[11:06] <dpm> mandel, bummer, not translatable, then
[11:06] <mandel> gatox, buenas o/
[11:06] <dpm> mandel, yes
[11:06] <gatox> mandel, hi
[11:06] <mandel> dpm, I guess it can be translated, yes, because is a constant and we should be able to name it ~/.ubuntuone/Paquito\ el \ chocolatero if we wanted
[11:07] <dpm> mandel, exactly, that was also the song I had just in mind
[11:07] <dpm> I was doing the dance too
[11:07] <mandel> dpm, problem is, if you use a diff folder name in one machine and then you move to a machine that is in eng it brakes
[11:08] <mandel> dpm, as in, first time the udf is created using the spanish name, then you go to a machine in eng and then you have the spanish name synced and shows in spanish
[11:08] <mandel> dpm, so it does not work very well, I think the less damaging thing we could do is remove adj, that is, remove 'purchased' and leave it with the name which is 'international'
[11:09] <mandel> dpm, do I make sense?
[11:09] <dpm> mandel, gotcha. What about leaving the folder name as it is and make what is shown on Rhythmbox translatable?
[11:09] <mandel> dpm, that means patching rhythmbox because is part of the code using by it to monitor folders
[11:10] <dpm> hm, not really a reusable plugin architecture, then
[11:10] <dpm> ok, let me add this info to the bug for now, thanks for the help!
[11:10] <mandel> dpm, no problem :)
[11:11] <mandel> dpm, do explain that changing the folder name is a no no due to sync between machines with diff names
[11:11] <mandel> dpm, I wonder what would happen if we use a symlink which can be translated..
[11:12] <mandel> dpm, udf folder is always the same, we do a ln -s to a translated version
[11:12] <dpm> I don't know, I wonder too if translatable XDG directory names could be used
[11:12] <mandel> dpm, you can try looking at how to add diff sources: http://library.gnome.org/users/rhythmbox/stable/customize.html.en
[11:13] <mandel> dpm, if we can add a level of indirection between the udf and the player (symlink for example) we are fine
[11:13] <mandel> dpm, as long as we don't change the actual udf name we are fine
[11:16] <gatox> brb.... machine die
[12:13] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:14] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:15] <gatox> alecu, mandel any of you want to start the morning with a review? (not much morning for you mandel) https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312
[12:15] <mandel> gatox, I can start the afternoon :)
[12:16] <gatox> mandel, sounds good :P
[12:17] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:17] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:18] <ralsina> hola gatox
[12:18] <mandel> gatox, looking at your branch, I think you might abusing lambdas a little to much, I mean, you are creating a new lambda each time you add a new handler when you could simply appending to the collection, right?
[12:21] <mandel> gatox, is the lambda really needed or could be have a class private method that does it?
[12:26] <gatox> mandel, if you use a private method, you will need a lambda anyway, because you will need to do something as: lambda *args, **kw: _method(signal_name)
[12:26] <gatox> mandel, if you use a private method, you will need a lambda anyway, because you will need to do something as: lambda *args, **kw: _method(signal_name, *args, **kw)
[12:31] <mandel> gatox, lets look at it step by step: first improvement I see => http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269167/
[12:31] <mandel> gatox, there is no need to create a new lambda each time you add a handler, right?
[12:32] <gatox> mandel, we will find out when we run the tests..... i would say no..... but i'm not sure if maybe that binds to the value of the list at that moment
[12:34] <gatox> mandel, ok........... it was just a precaution..... this works tooooo
[12:35] <mandel> gatox, next improvement => http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269176/
[12:36] <mandel> gatox, that will at least allow us to test that all handlers are called, improves testability, which I think is an improvement..
[12:36] <gatox> mandel, we can test that already
[12:38] <gatox> mandel, actually, we are doing it in the tests
[12:42] <gatox> mandel, i can change that if it's necessary..... maybe we can ask someone else, because i actually prefer the lambda solution
[12:43] <mandel> gatox, do think about memory etc.. creating a new lambda object for every new handler that has to be gc is an overhead that is not really needed
[12:43]  * ralsina looks around
[12:43] <ralsina> mandel, gatox: you guys asked for a 3rd opinion?
[12:44] <gatox> mandel, mmmmm.... i see
[12:44] <gatox> mandel, now i'm more convinced
[12:44] <gatox> ralsina, i think that is not necessary anymore
[12:44] <gatox> ralsina, mandel has presented a new argument that is more valid to me
[12:44]  * ralsina points out that 500 lambdas are less than 20KB or RAM and take a microsecond to gc
[12:44]  * ralsina is great at making up numbers
[12:45] <ralsina> I would prefer "pretty, readable code" but I leave it to you gatox
[12:45] <gatox> ralsina, i'll change it to the private function
[12:46] <ralsina> gatox: cool
[12:46] <gatox> i only needed a good reason :P
[12:47] <mandel> hehe
[12:50] <mandel> gatox, ralsina, just so that I can add a new diff way to do it, you can use something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269200/
[12:50] <mandel> gatox, ralsina, add a new handler list if not present, and append the callbacks, then the list can be called with the *args and **kwargs and will do the right thing..
[12:50] <mandel> but might be too evil :)
[12:51] <mandel> gatox, ralsina, you reduce the need of a lambda, you use the same amount of memory as a single list and you simple add a new type definition
[12:52] <mandel> but I think I have been doing too much c/c++/golan recently and I have started thinking about memory too much :P
[12:52] <ralsina> mandel: that's a list of lambdas disguised as a class
[12:52] <ralsina> mandel: disguised as a functiokn
[12:52] <mandel> ralsina, no, is not, in the other you a list with with callbacks and per callback that you added to the list you were creating a new lambda
[12:53] <mandel> ralsina, so, in the second handler added, you had the old lambda (first handle) the 2 handlers (2 lambdas) then create the new lambda (2 handler lambda) and hope that the first lambda was gc at some point
[12:53] <ralsina> mandel: I really really hate "for cb in self"  :-)
[12:53] <mandel> ralsina, in this case you have a list with the callbacks and there is no need for the generic lambda or the new creation of a lambda
[12:54] <mandel> ralsina, as I said, a little evil :)
[12:54] <ralsina> mandel: I would just keep a list of functions and iterate. Explicit.
[12:54] <ralsina> but anyway, it's not worth discussing this much, I think. Clear code is best.
[12:55] <mandel> ralsina, yes, I was just having fun by stretching the subclassing model and wondering how little code I could write to do the job and use the less amount of objects hehehe
[12:55] <mandel> ralsina, lets call it brainexercise
[12:55] <mandel> ok, lunch time here :)
[12:55]  * gatox is not convinced again.....
[12:55] <ralsina> haha
[12:55] <mandel> gatox, I'll do a second review when i'm back :)
[12:56] <ralsina> gatox: try to write it as dumb as possible
[12:56] <ralsina> gatox: remember I may have to read it later!
[12:56] <gatox> ralsina, for mandel?
[12:56] <gatox> jejjee
[12:56] <mandel> write for the common denominator :)
[12:56] <gatox> i'll do it with a private method.......
[12:56]  * gatox sacrifice his love for list comprehensions
[12:57] <ralsina> gatox: if it needs a \ it's a bad list comprehension :-)
[12:57] <gatox> ralsina, it didn't need that....... because i was splitting the line inn the right places jejejeje
[12:57] <ralsina> gatox: oh, but then it had a \n ;-)
[12:58] <gatox> :P
[12:58]  * ralsina goes track when we started having a double spinner
[12:58] <gatox> mandel, branch updated
[12:59] <gatox> ralsina, do you have any special task for me?? or i should try to start killing u1-cp bugs?.... i might found a weird bug in u1-client too
[12:59] <gatox> might not....... i found
[13:00] <ralsina> gatox: yes, check https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiE68jdtyfBcdG1RTkpEYl8yNV9yaEtIRkdUbF9OZGc#gid=0 and make it work :-)
[13:00] <gatox> but i don't know if it is a priority
[13:00] <gatox> ralsina, ack..... really clear list of tasks
[13:05] <gatox> ralsina, mmmmm..... some weird stuff has been reported there..... i'll need to track each person and ask
[13:05] <ralsina> gatox: I think I fixed one of those at least
[13:05] <ralsina> gatox: but not on stable-4 :-(
[13:06] <gatox> ralsina, also.... maybe something is not clear..... because it seems they expect the things being transfered from the server to the client to appear there too
[13:07] <ralsina> gatox: then you need to clarify the leftmost column :-)
[14:13] <mandel> gatox, got a small needs fixing
[14:13] <gatox> mandel, ack
[14:17] <gatox> mandel, fixed
[14:17] <gatox> mandel, it was there for when i was testing stuff
[14:23] <ralsina> gatox: this bug is ours, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sync/+bug/1063950
[14:23]  * gatox checking...
[14:23] <ralsina> gatox: as in, that's really a bug in u1-client not in the sync menu
[14:23] <gatox> ralsina, i'm fixing that right now
[14:23] <ralsina> gatox: awesome, change the affects in the bug
[14:23] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[14:31] <mandel> gatox, do you think that adding a test where you add a handler to one signal and an other handler to an other signal and assert the correct handler is called is a good idea?
[14:32] <gatox> mandel, will do in a few miins
[14:32] <mandel> great
[14:34] <gatox> in the meanwhile..... mandel ralsina  if you can: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/add-storage/+merge/128729
[14:37] <mandel> gatox, sure
[14:44] <gatox> mandel, new test added: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312
[14:44] <mandel> ralsina, gatox, alecu the ISP eng is here to install fiber in my place, I'll me off line a little until he is done
[14:46] <ralsina> mandel: ack
[14:46] <gatox> mandel, ack
[14:50] <ralsina> alecu and I are on a call we'll miss standup, you guys go ahead without us
[14:50] <alecu> mandel: fiber == awesome!
[14:52] <ralsina> mandel: you getting whole bran?
[14:52] <ralsina> mandel: if that doesn't work, try activia!
[14:52] <ralsina> good morning mmcc!
[14:52] <mmcc> hi ralsina
[14:53] <gatox> mmcc, hi
[14:53] <gatox> mmcc, i have a present for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312
[14:53] <gatox> :P
[14:54] <mmcc> it's a fine day for reviews
[14:54] <ralsina> mmcc: it's QA day!
[14:55] <mmcc> ralsina: tell me more
[14:55] <ralsina> mmcc: today QA tests our mac build to see if we do the beta release on the 11th
[14:55] <ralsina> mmcc: so... let's do a build and give it to QA :-)
[14:57] <ralsina> elopio: it says "windows testing" on the schedule, but it should be mac testing
[14:58] <elopio> ralsina: you said you wanted a windows testing session this week.
[14:58] <gatox> mmcc, first review my branches that fix some of the problems we were having :P
[14:58] <elopio> don't you want it anymore? :)
[14:58] <gatox> mmcc, so you can include them in the build \o/
[14:59] <ralsina> elopio: yes, that too :-)
[14:59] <ralsina> elopio: I am confusing sometiimes, I know, sorry
[14:59] <mmcc> ralsina: aha, ok. are they expecting anything to have changed since the last build? gatox' change shouldn't affect the final behavior…
[14:59] <mmcc> because the last qa build had a workaround
[14:59] <ralsina> mmcc: I don't know what the last build was, really
[14:59] <elopio> ralsina: so, are we having a windows installer too?
[14:59] <ralsina> mmcc: I would like to get a fix I did yesterday
[14:59] <ralsina> elopio: there are daily windows builds in jenkins again now
[15:00] <mmcc> ralsina: aha, ok. great
[15:00] <thisfred> me
[15:00] <ralsina> elopio: but I am not sure it even does something on mac
[15:00] <briancurtin> ralsina, elopio: jenkins is down again...
[15:00] <ralsina> briancurtin: oops
[15:00] <briancurtin> will take a look shortly
[15:00] <ralsina> briancurtin: jenkins is down or builds are failing?
[15:01] <briancurtin> ralsina: the windows jenkins machine isn't connected. everything is N/A
[15:01] <ralsina> that one about "I am not sure..." was for mmcc sorry
[15:01] <ralsina> briancurtin: ok, it's tuesday, which is "break jenkins" day
[15:01] <gatox> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:03] <gatox> need to go downstairs for a sec..... so here is my standup:
[15:03] <gatox> DONE:
[15:03] <gatox> Propose a branch to start fixing some u1-client sync menu related stuff, improve some other branches already proposed.
[15:03] <gatox> TODO:
[15:03] <gatox> Keep fixing u1-client sync menu and u1-cp bugs.
[15:03] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:03] <gatox> No
[15:03] <mmcc> me
[15:04] <thisfred> DONE: processed email/colonial imperialist day TODO: playlists BLOCKED: no NEXT: gatox
[15:04] <briancurtin> DONE: u1c and u1cp tests running fine (well, some failures on client, but they run to completion)
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO: CredentialsError still coming from SSO, working out how its finding the binaries. i found one place that is wrong but then it seemed to try again with the right commdand line and failed.
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO (on the side): i noticed we're sending post2008server in a URL post while logging in to SSO (can't remember the exact string, will dig it up). this is from the stdlib platform module not identifying Windows 8. i dont know what we actually use that for on the server side, probably stats, but it's an easy change in the stdlib. i did the change for win7/2008server
[15:04] <briancurtin> NEXT: mmcc
[15:04] <mmcc> DONE: long weekend, recent transfers menu
[15:04] <mmcc> TODO: reviews, set up .DMG, qa build
[15:04] <mmcc> BLOCK: no
[15:04] <mmcc> NEXT:
[15:04] <mmcc> ?
[15:06] <mmcc> who are we missing, ralsina mandel alecu? or are more people off today
[15:06]  * mmcc needs to check the logs
[15:06] <alecu> mmcc: both ralsina and I are on a hangout
[15:07] <mmcc> alecu: ack
[15:08]  * ralsina declares this "day columbus noticed this was not japan" day.
[15:09] <thisfred> Rerouting...
[15:23] <briancurtin> brb, need to let the heating/furnace dude in. it's cold in here.
[15:24] <mmcc> gatox, quick needsfixing on that client branch
[15:25] <mmcc> gatox: I'm also still not 100% clear why we need that change. when were multiple functions being connected to the same signal?
[15:26] <gatox> mmcc, i already explain that and show you some code from u1-client on friday..... and you answered that you understand
[15:26] <gatox> mmcc, also.... i explain it on the comment i added
[15:27] <mmcc> gatox: sorry if I'm just forgetting - I'll look in the log on friday.
[15:27] <gatox> mmcc, or read the comment
[15:29] <mmcc> gatox: ok, I had to read the comment again, sorry - can you point me to the place in syncdaemon core that was also connecting to the signal? not urgent though, I believe you - this is just for my understanding
[15:30] <gatox> mmcc, could you check your logs for that?? because i don't remember and i'll need to debug to find it..... i already send that piece of code to you on friday..... if you don't have it let me know..... and i'll check
[15:30] <mmcc> ok, I'll look gatox. don't worry about it
[15:32] <gatox> mmcc, thx........ because it was kind of tricky to find it
[15:33] <mmcc> gatox: yeah, I definitely know how that is
[15:34] <mmcc> that's a good argument for keeping notes on this stuff - whenever I figure out one of these long IPC chains, I write down what calls what - it's already helped a couple times when I had to go back and check something
[15:34] <alecu> hello Hello!
[15:35] <gatox> mmcc, docstring updated
[15:40] <mmcc> great gatox, thanks - now to try testing it on macos
[15:55] <mmcc> goodbye Hello
[15:55] <mmcc> oh I mean HELLO
[16:01]  * gatox lunch
[16:03] <Hello> ?
[16:07] <ralsina> apparently mandel's ISP guy is still trying to connect the optic fiber using duct tape or something, will take a while longer to show up
[16:08] <briancurtin> ha. fiber to the house, duct tape the rest of the way
[16:08] <ralsina> briancurtin: the last mile is a sticky problem
[16:08] <briancurtin> lol
[16:28] <mmcc> hrmm. so this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312 with control-panel *trunk* fixes the share links tab for me IRL on osx
[16:29]  * mmcc waves
[16:31] <gatox_lunch> mmcc, but you will need this cp branch too: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/u1-cp-publishapi/+merge/128316 or you will only be able to share a file once
[16:32] <mmcc> gatox_lunch: aha! thanks1
[16:32] <mmcc> !
[16:32]  * mmcc was getting very confused
[16:45] <mmcc> ralsina: how do I check that your change from yesterday works on os x?
[16:46] <ralsina> mmcc: hmmm...
[16:46] <ralsina> mmcc: run ubuntuone-control-panel-qt --switch-to=devices?
[16:47] <mmcc> ralsina: with or without credentials?
[16:47] <ralsina> mmcc: with
[16:48] <mmcc> ok, works for me
[16:48] <ralsina> mmcc: cool
[16:49] <ralsina> mmcc: OTOH, if you have a "share a file" link in the menu icon's popup, does it open in the right tab?
[16:49] <ralsina> mmcc: if it doesn't that's a separate bug
[16:50] <mmcc> ralsina: share a file link in the menu icon? I don't know what that is
[16:50] <ralsina> mmcc: in the icon in the mac global menu, do you have a "share a file" item?
[16:51] <mmcc> ralsina: no, and looking, that's a # TODO in systray.py
[16:52] <ralsina> mmcc: ack
[16:53] <ralsina> gatox_lunch: row 8 in the sync indicator testing sheet needs to clarify that's not implemented and a bug link
[16:53] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, ack
[16:54] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, mmcc that was because de sync menu was implemented before de shares tab
[16:54] <gatox_lunch> s/de/the
[16:55] <mmcc> ralsina, gatox_lunch: did you see this bug from last friday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1062729
[16:56] <mmcc> wondering if that's on the testing sheet - you probably won't notice unless you have lots of highly-compressible large files :)
[16:56] <ralsina> mmcc: saw it, did nothing about it
[16:56] <ralsina> mmcc: shhhh ;-)
[16:56] <mmcc> I noticed it when uploading a ~200MB text .sql file
[16:56] <ralsina> mmcc: yeah, those files are uncommon
[16:56] <ralsina> plus, it will just show "slow slow slow done!"
[16:56] <ralsina> :-)
[16:57] <mmcc> heh :) ok, like I said, it's mostly a minor issue but it made debugging other stuff very confusing :)
[16:57] <mmcc> yeah, it was showing "9%" forever and I started looking for string truncation or something :)
[16:59] <ralsina> gatox_lunch: so, after that one is marked as unimplemented we are down to ~2 issues with sync menu. Not horrible.
[17:00] <gatox> ralsina, yap
[17:05] <mmcc> gatox: +1 on https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312 -- you still need to get mandel to approve that though
[17:07] <gatox> mmcc, yes..... he said he will review it when he is back
[17:07] <mmcc> gatox cool. also +1 on the other branch
[17:07] <gatox> mmcc, cool.... thx
[17:07] <mmcc> thanks for being patient with me while I figured out what was going on there
[17:08] <gatox> mmcc, no problem :D
[17:09] <mmcc> gatox: it would've been easier if your comment here during lunch about "you will only be able to share a file once" was in the MP description under "HOW TO TEST" or something :) I can look at the code and understand what it's doing, but sometimes it's hard to understand what it's fixing at the top level
[17:09] <mmcc> ok, done bugging gatox for the day :)
[17:10] <gatox> mmcc, jeje ok.... will add that next time.... promise :P
[17:23] <gatox> ralsina, so....... i've marked the share a file option in the menu as not implemented, and added the bug link..... now we have 2 reds..... and i already propose a branch for one..... and the remaining one, is the crazy thing that is happening with the shares that i mentioned
[17:24] <gatox> ralsina, so i'm going to start working on that one if you agree..... probably i'll need to contact people from the server team, because i'm not sure if they are sending that data now
[17:25] <gatox> ralsina, here is the branch for the other bug..... mandel already approve it..... is one line change: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/add-storage/+merge/128729
[17:38] <ralsina> gatox: agreed
[17:39] <ralsina> gatox: looking at the branch
[17:39] <ralsina> gatox: global +1
[17:39] <gatox> ralsina, thx
[17:42] <ralsina> gatox: well, there's also the "sync menu doesn't show the cloud icon" but that's not us
[17:43] <gatox> ralsina, mmmmm i think that maybe i can prioritize this one: "Status in indicator is not updated when the status is changed from U1 control panel"
[17:43] <gatox> and then the new shares one
[17:43] <ralsina> gatox: happy either way
[17:43] <gatox> ralsina, ok
[17:44] <mandel> I'm back!!!
[17:45] <mandel> ralsina, sorry, the guy from movistar/telefonica had some serious problem getting the connection
[17:45] <ralsina> mandel: ack
[17:45] <ralsina> mandel: np, it happens
[17:46] <mandel> ralsina, at least now I have fiber :)
[17:46] <mandel> which makes me very very happy
[17:51] <ralsina> mandel: yes, slow transit is bad
[17:51] <ralsina> ;)
[17:53] <mandel> ralsina, in nearly everything :)
[17:54] <mmcc> gatox, what is the bug # for that is that indicator not updated bug?
[17:55] <gatox> mmcc, sorry, what?
[17:55] <gatox> mandel, please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312
[17:55] <mmcc> gatox - this one from ten minutes ago: "ralsina, mmmmm i think that maybe i can prioritize this one: "Status in indicator is not updated when the status is changed from U1 control panel" "
[17:56] <mandel> gatox, sorted
[17:56] <gatox> mmcc, that one is only for the sync menu in ubuntu
[17:56] <gatox> mandel, ack, thx
[17:56] <mmcc> gatox: ok, cool
[18:10] <mmcc> yay, nice looking .dmg with background image and everything, all set up
[18:11] <gatox> mmcc, cool
[18:11] <mmcc> ralsina: for sending to QA, is that just ASAP or when?
[18:12] <ralsina> mmcc: asap please
[18:12] <mmcc> ralsina: okboss
[18:18] <mmcc> gatox: is https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-publishapi/+merge/128312 waiting on anything? mandel approved but didn't flip the switch
[18:18] <mandel> mmcc, I did not 'cause I though we agreed to the owner to do it.. or am I outdated?
[18:18] <gatox> mmcc, i'll do it....... also..... this branch includes all the changes..... and there was the other one with the workaround that didn't landed..... and i think i can delete it
[18:19] <mmcc> mandel, you're not outdated - I was poking the owner :)
[18:19] <mandel> :)
[18:19] <mmcc> gatox: you're talking about the control-panel branch where you used the return value instead of the signal right?
[18:20] <mmcc> was there a workaround branch for u1-client too? I remember one that changed a comma that did land, but it was just a comment change once it landed
[18:21] <gatox> mmcc, ahhh no....... i was confuse..... just for u1-cp
[18:23] <mmcc> ok cool
[18:27] <chaselivingston> mmcc: will the current and recent transfers menu item work in the public beta?
[18:27] <mmcc> chaselivingston: no
[18:28] <mmcc> in fact I had a note to myself, maybe we should just not show it. ralsina?
[18:28] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ok, good to know, that might not be a bad idea
[18:28] <ralsina> if it's broken, yes, disable it
[18:28] <ralsina> we can re-enable it a week or two later
[18:28] <mmcc> ralsina: ack. will do
[18:29] <gatox> ralsina, do you know why is broken? it has anything to do with the changes that you talk about in u1-client files progress?
[18:29] <mmcc> ralsina: what's the best way to do that, just have a side branch that comments it out and build with that?
[18:29] <mmcc> gatox: I know why it's broken, I was working on it on friday
[18:29] <gatox> mmcc, can you tell me why?
[18:29] <mmcc> I don't know why it doesn't work on linux, but on osx, the timer is not called to populate the menu
[18:29] <gatox> mmmmm
[18:30] <ralsina> mmcc: yes
[18:30] <ralsina> I didn't know it was broken :-/
[18:31] <mmcc> gatox, in the TransfersMenu __init__ it only starts the timer if sys.platform isn't 'win32' or 'darwin', and I'm not sure why… but I have some code to fix that and try to get live-updating working on osx too, so it doesn't matter too much
[18:32] <gatox> mmcc, ack
[18:36] <mandel> sorry guys, but I have to call it a day, is close to dinner time and have to walk the dog, I'll work a couple of extra hours tom
[18:38] <gatox> mandel, bye
[19:28] <Ipsilon> Does ubuntu one lock files? I misread and thought it supported webdav.
[19:28] <ralsina> Ipsilon: no, to both
[19:29] <Ipsilon> Ok, thanks. That's too bad, would have been perfect for zotero.
[19:32] <ralsina> Ipsilon: if the app does locking through a lock file, the lock file itself will be synced but that's not reliable at all
[19:32] <ralsina> Ipsilon: I don't know of any sync solution that reliably locks files
[19:33] <Ipsilon> Well, webdav works. I believe through locking files...although maybe it's through a different method.
[19:34] <Ipsilon> Works for zotero, that is.
[19:46] <mmcc> ok, finally have current build uploading for QA. ralsina who do I ping when it's there?
[19:51] <mmcc> OK, new build for QA here: http://ubuntuone.com/1Ny7EqmY50jLxRaufZLnrX
[19:52] <mmcc> I guess ping elopio --^
[19:55] <ralsina> mmcc: elopio
[19:55] <ralsina> mmcc: and jfunk
[19:55] <ralsina> mmcc: and joshuahoover
[19:56] <joshuahoover> chaselivingston: ^^
[19:56] <chaselivingston> saw all this, thanks, working on installing it now
[19:57] <ralsina> chaselivingston: sorry I forgot about you :-)
[19:57] <chaselivingston> ralsina: no problem ;)
[20:02] <gatox> ok..... i need to fix some tests and i'll have the sync menu and syncdaemon always in sync regarding the connection status
[20:02] <gatox> i'll propose a branch for this tomorrow morning
[20:02] <gatox> eod here!
[20:02] <gatox> bye people!
[20:06] <chaselivingston> mmcc: neat choice on the black menubar icon lol
[20:07] <mmcc> chaselivingston: is that a good lol or a bad lol?
[20:07] <chaselivingston> mmcc: i think it's a good, we'll see after i use it for a while
[20:08] <chaselivingston> mmcc: just can't wait to be able to get rid of the icon in the dock ;)
[20:09] <mmcc> chaselivingston: understood. for now, how about just getting rid of the dock? I hide that sucker, makes me happier :)
[20:09] <chaselivingston> mmcc: haha, i've done that in the past, but like having it shown most of the time
[20:09] <mmcc> it takes all kinds I guess ;_
[20:09] <mmcc> er, ;P
[20:10] <chaselivingston> lol
[20:10] <ralsina> chaselivingston: we do have a way to do that, but we needed to fix the more critical stuff first
[20:10] <chaselivingston> ralsina: sure, i understand. i know it'll happen eventually
[20:24] <mmcc> trivial review for setup-mac anyone?
[20:24] <mmcc> https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/make-cp-fg/+merge/128811
[20:28] <briancurtin> mmcc: i can't test, but my eyes say approve
[20:30] <mmcc> thanks briancurtin. I assert that it works :)
[20:31] <chaselivingston> nice work on the mac app guys, i think we're in a very good place for release on thursday
[20:31] <mmcc> thanks chaselivingston , that's good to hear
[20:31] <chaselivingston> mmcc: can't wait to get some user feedback on it
[20:33] <ralsina> chaselivingston: yay!
[20:33] <mmcc> a couple other really small packaging branches for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/bump-version/+merge/128813 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/embiggen-log/+merge/128814
[20:34] <mmcc> ralsina: can you in particular check the version # one?
[20:34] <ralsina> mmcc: sure
[20:35] <ralsina> mmcc: +1 cromulent in embiggen
[20:35] <mmcc> :D
[20:36] <ralsina> mmcc: also +1 on the bump
[20:36] <ralsina> we really need to automate that, we have like 5 version number-like things in -installer
[20:36] <mmcc> ralsina: now for the trifecta, shall I globally approve the https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/make-cp-fg/+merge/128811
[20:36] <ralsina> mmcc: looking...
[20:37] <ralsina> mmcc: I have no idea what the flag does :-)
[20:37] <mmcc> ralsina: yes definitely - also currently syncdaemon's version number is always 0.1 on mac/win
[20:37] <mmcc> ralsina: hmm, let me go look and see what it does… "_
[20:38] <mmcc> it's is_background, and True means you have no menu bar or dock icon. False means you do
[20:38] <ralsina> mmcc: we change that in the logs manually on windows in the last release
[20:38] <ralsina> mmcc: we should do that for the real release on mac too
[20:38] <ralsina> mmcc: for which process is this setting?
[20:39] <mmcc> the last few builds have been built with is_background=False, giving us an icon. this is for controlpanel
[20:39] <mmcc> this setting change is old, I just haven't gotten around to pushing the change
[20:39] <chaselivingston> mmcc, ralsina: what is the process going to be for public testers as far as updates to the app go?
[20:40] <ralsina> mmcc: ok, yes global +1
[20:40] <mmcc> chaselivingston: what do you mean exactly?
[20:40] <mmcc> ralsina: great, thanks
[20:40] <chaselivingston> mmcc: how will updates be pushed to users?
[20:41] <ralsina> chaselivingston: we don't have an autoupdater for mac yet
[20:41] <mmcc> chaselivingston: yeah, TODO
[20:41] <ralsina> chaselivingston: we need to work on one. at least something that pops a "get the new version" message
[20:41] <chaselivingston> ralsina: right. so will users have to come back to the download page to download updates?
[20:41] <ralsina> chaselivingston: yeah, let's keep it simple
[20:42] <chaselivingston> ralsina: ok, so for now they're going to have to either watch that page, or perhaps social media to know when to grab updates?
[20:42] <ralsina> mmcc: maybe we should timebomb the beta :-)
[20:42] <ralsina> chaselivingston: yes, social media && eyeballs
[20:42] <ralsina> chaselivingston: the next one should have a simple updater
[20:43] <chaselivingston> ralsina: ok, we probably need to make sure that's clear in the beginning, i'll need to make sure roberta knows about that
[20:43] <ralsina> chaselivingston: yes, I'll tell her to add something in the communication
[20:43] <chaselivingston> ralsina: ok cool
[20:44] <chaselivingston> ralsina: i'll leave a note in the gdoc for her
[20:44] <ralsina> chaselivingston: awesome
[20:45] <mmcc> hrm. timebomb is appealing. what would be nice is if we had a web api call to ask if there's any info to show the user… like GET /message?clientversion=foo , which can optionally give us some HTML to show to the user, a place for "HEY YOU ARE USING AN OLD VERSION" or whatever
[20:45] <mmcc> I've seen that pattern in other apps, looks handy
[20:45] <ralsina> mmcc: we have that for windows
[20:45] <mmcc> oh hey, great!
[20:46] <ralsina> mmcc: but there it's done using a huge binary installbuildre creates and a xml file
[20:46] <mmcc> oh hey, great?
[20:46] <ralsina> mmcc: I think we can do a much better thing using 10 lines of code and a file somewhere that says 1234 (or correct number)
[20:49]  * briancurtin reboot
[20:50] <mmcc> ralsina: probably, yeah. it can be useful to set it up to display a message downloaded from a known place too
[20:50] <mmcc> good for release notes or explanations of why it's important to update
[21:57] <mmcc> laaaate lunch time here
[22:01] <ralsina> EOD for me
[22:01] <ralsina> bye people!
[22:40] <mmcc> ok, lunch was late enough that I have to call it a day. I'll be back a bit later tonight too


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[11:38] <xnox> apw, i am very impatient =) but when will the next linux upload happen? cause a fix for bug #1525297 is blocking image testing for s390x =)
[11:38] <xnox> and i guess current build will not migrate anywhere due to arm64 FTBFS - do i need to help with that?
[12:06] <apw> xnox, i hope i have "fixed" the arm64 issue now, and i see the fix for your bits in my current upload
[12:06] <apw> xnox, which i am preparing "now"
[12:20] <xnox> apw, amazing =)
[12:22] <rtg> apw, did you see this build failure ? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/8438039/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.linux_4.4.0-0.5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:23] <rtg> arm64 still has a compiler problem. I could not get any answers yesterday, but I remember you said you were working on it with doko.
[12:24] <apw> rtg, sorting it right now
[12:41] <apw> rtg, your 4.4 issue i think that just says you neither have s390x abi information nor it disabled there, did you update getabis config?
[12:41] <apw> (the sorting refers to the 4.3 arm64 build issue)
[12:42] <apw> rtg, i am about to upload 4.3.0-5 yell "now" if you have any objections
[12:42] <rtg> apw, I carried forward your s390 patches from 4.3 . I _think_ I've got the right ABI files. I can dig into it if you're busy on other things.
[12:43] <apw> rtg, i can look at it after i have done this upload
[12:43] <rtg> apw, I just applied 4.3.3 if you wanna pick that up.
[12:43] <apw> sigh
[12:44] <apw> rtg, ack
[12:44] <rtg> haven't pushed yet
[12:45] <apw> rtg, if you push it now, i'll respin -5 with it in
[12:45] <apw> may as well not do another upload tomorrow for it
[12:46] <rtg_> apw, something weird going on with my laptop. gimme a couple mins
[12:46] <apw> rtg_, heh that sounds like situation normal these days
[12:47] <rtg_> I just booted it. its looks like it is swapping so hard that nothing else is happening
[12:48] <apw> oh is this with .3 ?
[12:53] <rtg_> apw, nope, good 'ol stock 3.13 trusty
[12:54] <apw> heh, the best
[12:54] <rtg_> anyway, pushed to xenial master-next
[14:14] <xnox> omg linux-meta causes me a headache. took a while to realise that arm64 build of linux-meta is waiting on linux to build on arm64 which will not happen until next upload with apw implementing doko magic, to workaround partially fancy toolchains.
[14:28] <apw> xnox, right, though broken seems more like the right description
[14:44] <diwic> 4.4 as kernel seems to be a safe bet for 16.04? Or will 4.5 come out in time?
[14:53] <apw> diwic, we are planning on 4.4, as that will have a long time to stabalise and will align with upstream too
[14:58] <diwic> apw, yup, I was assuming so.
[14:58] <diwic> apw, thanks for confirming
[14:59] <apw> np
[15:54] <xnox> apw, thank you for the upload and thanks rtg_ for fixing my bug. now it's "just" shepherding that is to be done.
[16:21] <apw> xnox, hopefully be there by the am at least
[18:51] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: hi
[19:28] <Katronix> Greetings all, hope someone is active here :). Tried to run make menuconfig and I get the output here: http://pastebin.com/eH2EMeTS can someone recommend what my system is missing?
[19:53] <mjeanson> Katronix: probably libncurses5-dev
[20:04] <Katronix> mjeanson, odd, was sure I installed that but will check
[20:05] <Katronix> ah I had installed the 64 bit versions


[12:34] <Laney> how does memtest86+ usually get into live-build chroots?
[12:34] <Laney> I'm seeing something that looks like bug #914910
[12:37] <ogra_> is it actually in the chroot ? i thought cdimage/debian-cd adds it when creating the iso
[12:38] <Laney> mmm I'm trying to use live-build to make the iso
[12:38] <Laney> just for ease
[12:39] <ogra_> well, we dont ... :)
[12:39] <Laney> ...yes
[12:40] <Laney> The livecd-rootfs configuration file talks about this a bit though, so I was hoping it was intended to work
[12:40] <ogra_> we only use live-build/livecd-rootfs for the squashfs/tarball creation ...
[12:41] <Laney> I know
[17:02] <robru> infinity, hey, got another unity8 release that needs to be bumped. thanks
[17:04] <infinity> robru: Heh.  We need to fix this so the hack can go away. :P
[17:04] <infinity> robru: (bumping for now though)
[17:04] <robru> infinity, yeah, colin said he was going to fix it but didn't have time. I'm not sure what the "right" fix is.
[17:04] <robru> thanks
[17:05] <infinity> robru: The right fix is to make all of this build on arm64 and ppc{,64el}
[17:06] <infinity> robru: But there may be some less sketchy middle ground before we get there.
[17:06] <cjwatson> My intent as an intermediate fix was to make it auto-match the current version
[17:06] <cjwatson> Somehow
[17:06] <robru> ahh
[20:19] <xnox> Please hint gnutls26 with gnutls28.
[20:20] <xnox> gnutls-bin package is moving from building by gnutls26 package, to built by gnutls28 package.
[21:33] <barry> infinity or other perhaps.  please delete that pexpect upload.  i typoed the bug number in the changelog :(
[21:38] <barry> ^^ that's the good one
[22:09] <barry> infinity: i live for your snark
[22:12] <xnox> barry: =)))) awwwh his reject mails are awesome. not stored, nor accessible anywhere =)
[22:12] <infinity> barry: You'd be concerned that my LP ID had been highjacked if I gave a nice reject message.
[22:13] <barry> infinity: i would *know* it then.  xnox: i keep a little folder with all of them, which i open and read when i get too happy
[22:15]  * xnox clap along if you feel like a room without a roof
[22:16] <xnox>  ____  ____  _     ____  _____     _      ____  _            _     ____  ____  ____ ___  _
[22:16] <xnox> |  /  | / \|| | |||    \|  \      | |    | / \|| |\/||      | |_||| / \||  \/||  \/| \  /
[22:16] <xnox> |  \__| |-||| \_/|\___ ||  /_     | |    | |-||| |  ||      | | ||| |-|||  __/|  __/ / /
[22:16] <xnox> \____/\_/ \|\____/\____/\____\    \_/    \_/ \|\_/  \|      \_/ \|\_/ \|\_/   \_/   /_/
[22:16] <xnox>
[22:19] <knome> that *so* failed on a standard with terminal
[22:22] <barry> it looked like a unicorn riding a kitten in emacs
[22:25] <knome> *width
[22:26] <knome> i so fail at typing today :)