[00:58] <spiv> Good morning.
[01:16] <poolie> hi there spiv
[01:16] <poolie> mkanat, hi?
[01:16] <mkanat> Hey poolie!
[01:46] <lifeless> moin
[02:35] <poolie> spiv, where is the 'tc qdisc' thing documented?
[02:35] <poolie> i can't find it in the doc directory
[02:39] <spiv> Hmm
[02:40] <spiv> I guess it's just documented on the wiki, not in the doc directory.
[02:41] <spiv> i.e. http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/SmartPushAnalysis1.4
[03:30] <swathanthran> i did one commit over the trunk, now i see the changes from upstream needs to be merged, now i prefer to "move" my commit to another branch and keep the trunk clean. what should i do?
[03:35] <spiv> swathanthran: how about "bzr branch -r -2 . ../clean-trunk"?
[03:37] <spiv> Or alternatively "bzr branch . ../new-branch && bzr pull --overwrite upstream-url"
[03:42] <swathanthran> ok, my free net time is over now, so will those methods lose the downloaded-but-not-merged changes? (All i did was a commit over the trunk and "bzr pull" ended saying "these branches have diverged.. use merge to reconsile them"..
[03:44] <spiv> No, they won't lose any data.
[03:44] <swathanthran> thats great:) thanks..
[03:46] <swathanthran> so now, i should do bzr merge on clean-trunk?
[03:47] <swathanthran> i did bzr branch -r -2 . ../clean-trunk
[03:48] <spiv> clean-trunk will have all but the last commit from your original branch
[03:48] <spiv> If you want to keep it as a mirror of the upstream trunk then pull rather than merge.
[03:49] <spiv> (Also, you probably want to use a shared repository for these branches to save space and time)
[05:05] <lifeless> spiv: ping; hey :- are you in the middle of a patch at the moment ?
[05:25] <spm> bzr workflow question. have pristine branch of trunk; bzr merge <proposed> ; a bug is found, updates pushed to same place merge from place as new revno. Do I bzr revert and re-merge; or simply bzr merge again and bzr will DTRT?
[05:25] <lifeless> revert and remerge
[05:25] <spm> cool; that's what I've been doing, but did wonder. ta
[05:25] <lifeless> be nice if running merge again Just Worked but I'm pretty sure it will currently Just Hit You Hard
[05:26] <spm> heh
[05:31] <spiv> lifeless: was in the middle of lunch, actually :P
[05:32] <lifeless> spiv: :) I meant a slightly larger scope than that :>
[05:34] <spiv> I am fairly deep in 522637 atm :)
[05:34] <lifeless> bug 522637
[05:34] <lifeless> awesome
[06:02] <lifeless> james_w: so, I don't have dh_make installed
[06:02] <lifeless> nevermind
[06:02] <lifeless> PEBCAK
[07:59] <vila> hi all
[08:00] <fullermd> Well, there goes the neighborhood...
[08:02] <vila> fullermd: hey ! long time no see :)
[08:03] <fullermd> I've been hiding out.  Safer that way.
[08:05] <poolie> hi there vila
[08:05] <vila> hey poolie
[08:05] <vila> poolie: I just sent the rfc/summary about config locks
[08:07] <poolie> hey, thanks
[08:09] <poolie> that's pretty good
[08:09] <poolie> i think even a little more overview could be good, next time
[08:10] <vila> ok
[08:13] <vila> poolie: hmm, just reading your doc-testing mp, I think the dependency for --parallel=fork is testtools, not subunit
[08:15] <poolie> isn't testtools always required?
[08:15] <poolie> to run selfttest
[08:16] <vila> it is
[08:16] <poolie> in other words i think you need testtools to run selftest at all
[08:16] <poolie> but if you want to run --parallel then you will also need subunit
[08:17] <vila> yes you need testtools anyway, I can't remember if subunit is a soft dependency or not
[08:17] <vila> poolie: why ?
[08:17] <lifeless> hai
[08:17] <poolie> because we use subunit streams between the subprocesses and the master
[08:18] <vila> oh yes, sorry, I didn't check for_for_tests, nevermind
[08:19] <vila> fork_for_tests
[08:28] <poolie> hi vila
[08:43] <lifeless> http://whatthecommit.com/
[08:46] <fullermd> So, we need a plugin...?   :p
[08:46] <lifeless> yes
[08:46] <lifeless> yes we do
[08:47] <fullermd> The sobering (or drunkening, really) part is that doing that would probably improve the quality of commit messages in a non-trivial percentage of cases...
[08:48] <lifeless> bah
[10:36] <GaryvdM> It's not often that you see 2 identical mp
[10:36] <GaryvdM> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-pipeline/missing-lplib/+merge/25843
[10:36] <GaryvdM> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr-pipeline/no_launchpadlib_needed_601466/+merge/29156
[10:41] <lifeless> james_w: hai
[12:04] <Automaattimarsu> anyone here familiar with checking newest revision from bzr branch with hudson when trying to do continous integration?
[12:10] <GaryvdM> Automaattimarsu: Maybe vila may be able to help you.
[12:11] <GaryvdM> Automaattimarsu: What's wrong?
[12:51] <Automaattimarsu> GaryvdM: its just the lack of instructions pretty much everywhere connected to hudson and its plugins. No apis anywhere or anything
[12:51] <Automaattimarsu> or atleast I cant find any
[12:55] <Automaattimarsu> I'm trying to get it so, that hudson would check the bzr revision from my trunk and if there are any changes, it would run a new build and restart the server o.0
[12:59] <maxb> Automaattimarsu: I don't know much about Hudson. Perhaps you could execute `bzr revno` ?
[12:59] <maxb> Or perhaps `bzr revision-info` to detect a change even if it is a push --overwrite which doesn't change the revno
[13:09] <vila> Automaattimarsu: most of it is automatic, what is your specific need ?
[13:12] <vila> Automaattimarsu: ha, yes, running on new commits only right ? Hmm, I haven't dig that so far (I'm happy with 'Poll SCM' with '@daily' for schedule) but it should be a hudson thing not specifically a bzr one
[13:13] <vila> Automaattimarsu: the help there mentions a "push" trigger and a link https://hudson.dev.java.net/build.html
[13:14] <vila> GaryvdM: hi :)
[13:14] <GaryvdM> Hi vila
[13:34] <Automaattimarsu> vila: hudson doesnt have bzr scm by default does it?
[13:35] <Automaattimarsu> if it does, whats its syntax
[13:35] <Automaattimarsu> i havent been able to find that anywhere D:
[13:35] <vila> Automaattimarsu: haaaa, you need to install the plugin first
[13:35] <Automaattimarsu> is it the one from launchpad?
[13:36] <vila> not at all, the hudson one, search in manage husdon/plugins
[13:36] <Automaattimarsu> i do have hudon plugin for bazaar
[13:36] <vila> ha, ok
[13:36] <Automaattimarsu> hudson*
[13:37] <Automaattimarsu> but I couldnt find any documentation on how the Poll SCM works
[13:37] <vila> then in your job description you should have a Source Code Management section
[13:37] <Automaattimarsu> since the default one only handles CVS
[13:37] <vila> and there there should be a Bazaar choice available
[13:37] <Automaattimarsu> yeah i have bazaar there o_o
[13:38] <vila> Automaattimarsu: easy to miss if you looked there *before* installing the plugin ;)
[13:38] <Automaattimarsu> true
[13:39] <Automaattimarsu> i read somewhere that the default (hudson) plugin always returns false on revision change checks o.o
[13:40] <vila> Automaattimarsu: how it's implemented is a bit unclear to me, but I suspect they use a generic solution that requires keeping the source tree on the master
[13:40] <vila> generic here means working for any SCM
[13:41] <Automaattimarsu> hmm
[13:41] <Automaattimarsu> Guess I'd need to check it after some changes are made
[13:42] <vila> Automaattimarsu: But how do check what the plugin is returning ? It looks quite opaque to me...
[13:42] <vila> s/how do/how do you/
[13:42] <Automaattimarsu> vila: i just checked some of the issues on the plugin page
[13:42] <vila> ha
[13:43] <Automaattimarsu> :D i'll leave how they managed to get that information to the ones that are smarter than me
[13:43] <vila> Automaattimarsu: hehe, I hoped you were smarter than me then ;)
[13:43] <Automaattimarsu> if i was, i'd recon i would not be here asking questions lol
[13:44] <vila> being smart doesn't imply knowing everything, asking questions *is* smart :)
[13:44] <Automaattimarsu> guess so :P
[13:45] <Automaattimarsu> im a bit new to this bzr thing to begin with, let alone hudson
[13:45] <Automaattimarsu> silly technologies
[13:46] <vila> fir silly values including smart ? =)
[13:46] <vila> s/fir/for/ typo-in-joke rule striking
[14:02] <GaryvdM> vila: do you not use the bzr plugin for babune?
[14:02] <vila> GaryvdM: I do use it of course :)
[14:03] <vila> GaryvdM: but it's a hudson plugin not a bzr plugin, or did I misunderstood your misunderstanding ? :-P
[14:03] <GaryvdM> No - thats what I meant.
[14:04] <GaryvdM> vila: Something you said made me think so.
[14:35] <GaryvdM> Hi jam
[14:36] <GaryvdM> I have a windows installer which I think is a release candidate.
[14:36] <GaryvdM> Going to test it, and then upload to lp.
[14:36] <GaryvdM> :-)
[14:38] <GaryvdM> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4494367/bzr-2.2b3-2-setup.exe
[14:44] <GaryvdM> jam: This is how I specified the release tags: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~garyvdm/bzr-windows-installers/maybe/revision/126
[14:45] <GaryvdM> jam: Ian did most of it, just had to do the last little bit.
[15:33] <jam> GaryvdM: you should be using Ubuntu-one for your hosting :)
[15:33] <jam> anyway, glad it is working.
[15:33] <jam> I'm not super happy with the syntax, but it is reasonable
[15:34] <GaryvdM> jam: I'm not happy with the syntax either, any suggestions?
[15:34] <jam> well, #1 is you should be using "revision='tag:foo'" rather than "revision = 'tag:foo'" :)
[15:34] <GaryvdM> Ok
[15:35] <jam> I wonder if for our purposes using a property sort of thing for:
[15:35] <jam> bzrtools.copy_write(tag='release-2.2.0') and fastimport.copy_write(revno=275)
[15:35] <jam> (or revno='275')
[15:36] <jam> the idea is that 'tag' and 'revno' could directly translate themselves into "tag:XXX"
[15:36] <jam> rather than saying: revision="tag:release-2.2.0"
[15:36] <GaryvdM> Ok
[15:36] <jam> I would probably rename "revision" to "revision_spec" or "revspec"
[15:36] <jam> since it isn't a revision-id, etc
[15:37] <GaryvdM> Are you ok with me putting out a build with some dev plugins?
[15:37] <GaryvdM> svn etc...
[15:38] <jam> GaryvdM: well, I don't really like doing it, but if jelmer doesn't make a release of bzr-svn which is compatible with bzr2.2 we don't have much of a choice
[15:38] <jam> hey jelmer, you've had 4 months, what's up with that? :)
[15:39] <GaryvdM> I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.org/384461 with my 2.2b3 build, but not the bzr.dev build.
[15:40] <jam> mgz: ^^
[15:40] <jam> GaryvdM: the specific error was turned into a warning, or maybe even into just a test-suite failure
[15:40] <jam> however, I think it really does indicate that the doc strings are getting stripped
[15:40] <jam> and we need to watch out for that
[15:41] <jam> as we don't want to ship bzr and have "bzr help explorer" fail
[15:41] <GaryvdM> jam: But qlog does have help, so I think it is to do with -OO
[15:41] <jam> It is sort of a shame we can't keep the error to help us
[15:41] <jam> GaryvdM: that's my point and why I mentioned mgz :)
[15:42] <GaryvdM> jam: I saw some code that turned on -OO for bzr, but off for plugins.
[15:42] <GaryvdM> Trying to locate it...
[15:42] <jam> GaryvdM: https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/installer_plugin_script_timestamp_rounding/+merge/29157 is part of the issue
[15:42] <jam> GaryvdM: its in setup.py
[15:42] <jam> the issue is that if you get the timestamps wrong
[15:42] <jam> at install time
[15:42] <jam> then at run-time the .pyo gets rebuilt on-the-fly
[15:42] <jam> and since bzr.exe is running as -OO everything gets stripped
[15:43] <jam> also note that manually installed plugins (stuff in BZR_PLUGIN_PATH) will also end up stripped always
[15:43] <jam> which we don't really want
[15:43] <jam> though we can configure plugins to use the new '__doc__ == """' syntax
[15:43] <jam> sorry
[15:43] <jam> __doc__ = """
[15:43] <jam> syntax
[15:44] <GaryvdM> jam: configure, or change the code?
[15:45] <jam> vila: ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/cleanup-docs/+merge/29211
[15:45] <jam> GaryvdM: you have to change the plugin
[15:45] <jam> so instead of
[15:45] <jam> class cmd_foo(...):
[15:45] <jam>   """My docstring
[15:45] <jam> they do
[15:46] <jam> class cmd_foo(...0:
[15:46] <GaryvdM> ok - got you...
[15:46] <jam>   __doc__ = """My docstring
[15:46] <jam> look at bzrlib/builtins.py for the example
[15:46] <jam> I'm not 100% sure what the answer is for the 2.2 release
[15:46] <jam> we may just back out the change
[15:46] <jam> we may go around and push changes to all plugins we can find
[15:47] <GaryvdM> back out -OO?
[15:48] <jam> right
[15:49] <GaryvdM> mgz: Do you have metrics on how much -OO improves the cold start?
[15:52] <vila> jam: ping
[15:52] <vila> jam: pOng
[15:52] <jam> vila: the '|--|' thing seems to be pretty pervasive in our codebase, I'm not sure how you say "I couldn't find where it is used"
[15:52] <jam> (Perhaps not in index.txt itself, but in lots of other files)
[15:53] <vila> jam: I suspect I searched the _build hierarchy which may not copy doc/developers
[15:54] <vila> jam: or I search doc/en instead of doc/
[15:55] <jam> vila: I don't really know the answer. I also don't know why '--' is important, though perhaps it was an editing artifact
[15:55] <jam> somebody edited the docs and it inserted the --
[15:55] <jam> and then somebody cleaned it up to rest so that it kept the unicode char
[15:56] <jam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash
[15:56] <vila> yeah, that's my point, if it makes html prettier, makes it html specific
[15:56] <vila> now that I know where to look I can try to find an alternative
[15:57] <vila> jam: yeah, looks like doc/developers is not taken into account in the shinx build
[15:57] <jam> vila: "en dash is used to compare things, em dash is used to demarcate a parenthetical thought"
[15:58] <jam> so it isn't just about html prettiness
[15:58] <jam> though I don't know if non typographical humans know the difference
[15:58] <vila> jam: then the rest spirit would be to detect it, not require an artifact
[15:58] <vila> especially a unicode one :)
[16:01] <vila> jam: and I think all readers won't mind reading -- instead of an em dash
[16:02] <vila> jam: but more to the point: it's a blocker so the easiest thing was to get rid of it
[16:03] <vila> jam: argh, rest recognizes unicode : http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/restructuredtext.html (search for em dash) but doesn't seem to provide an alternative
[16:05] <jam> vila: so you can put a literal em dash in your text (after setting the text encoding properly), but you can't supply an ascii variant?
[16:05] <jam> though I'll mentioned
[16:05] <jam> we did it just fine by pulling it out to an insert glyph-here command
[16:06] <jam> and I don't know why texinfo is being unhappy
[16:06] <jam> it doesn't support non-ascii?
[16:07] <vila> jam: I need to check again but from memory, yes, unicode was causing problems
[16:07] <jam> vila: sounds like a texinfo bug
[16:07] <jam> given that it is an international project, not supporting i18n for your preferred documentation seems limiting
[16:08] <jam> vila: anyway, -- is fine with me, though why not just do '-' is beyond my understanding
[16:08] <vila> kind of out of scope here :)
[16:08] <jam> vila: perhaps, but we can treat it as a bug on their end
[16:08] <vila> sure, once I get a working texinfo writer I'll be more demanding
[16:09] <vila> But I need to reconsider anyway since there *are* uses
[16:09] <vila> I should at least look at them
[17:11] <GaryvdM> Night all - Bed early tonight
[19:19] <janisozaur> in svn I can "svn log -r BASE:HEAD", it shows the commit logs between what I have locally and what server has. how can I achieve the same in bzr?
[19:56] <mgz> missed garyvdm... will respond anyway so he can read the log
 It's not often that you see 2 identical mp <- oh man, I checked for bugs before doing that, but didn't think to look for unmerged proposals
 I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.org/384461 with my 2.2b3 build, but not the bzr.dev build. <- this is showing you've not got the complete fix for bug 600803 in yet, there's your qbzr file is getting recompiled
[19:58] <mgz> the docstring problem and hard error is actually quite useful here to find that
[19:59] <mgz> but as jam says, it might be best to back the -OO thing out for this release still, as there are still going to be a few cases where plugins will lose their help
[20:00] <jam> mgz: well, we could ensure that all plugins being bundled into 2.2 will have the docstrings fixed
[20:00] <jam> not as easy as just rolling back your change, but better *progress* :)
[20:00] <mgz> well, that's not the problem once the installer bug is fixed
[20:00] <lifeless> mornink
[20:01] <mgz> they'll be compiled with optimize=1 and no longer recompiled at runtime
[20:01] <jam> mgz: except for the stuff people start manually installing, which may be new versions of the bundled plugins
[20:01] <jam> which would fail again
[20:01] <jam> hi lifeless
[20:01] <mgz> the only issue is BZR_PLUGINS with source, rather than installed, plugins
[20:01] <mgz> right.
[20:02] <mgz> can someone kick aaron to merge jelmer's bzr-pipeline proposal and reject mine?
[20:03] <jam> abentley: kick ^^
[20:03] <mgz> just so it doesn't get written for a third time ;)
[20:04] <abentley> jam: ow
[20:04] <jam> abentley: soft pat and cookies
[20:09] <mgz> hm, trying to assign the bug to jelmer gives me a funky pink "Constraint not satisfied" error
[20:09] <lifeless> wow
[20:09] <lifeless> screenshot + bug file please!
[20:12] <mgz> http://float.endofinternet.org/temp/launchpad_constraint_not_satisfied.png
[20:13] <lifeless> yeah
[20:13] <lifeless> thats not meant to happen. Bug filing time! bugs.launchpad.net/malone
[20:13] <mwhudson> that's like the worst error message ever
[20:13] <lifeless> it will help to know if you're on edge or production, too.
[20:13] <mwhudson> and launchpad is all too happy to give it out :(
[20:13] <lifeless> mwhudson: stop being so positive.
[20:21] <mgz> that was edge, just tried production and it worked.
[20:27] <lifeless> right - please file :)
 right - please file :) <- Timeout error ... (Error ID: OOPS-1648C1494)
[20:38] <mgz> I'll get that bug filed in the end.
[20:44] <lifeless> argh
[21:13] <xnox> when i do $ bzr merge -r 8..9 ../trunk/ to backport a fix, how can I make bzr reuse commit message?
[21:15] <mgz> That's a cherrypick, not the same revision, so you probably don't want to reuse the exact message but instead say "Cherrypick fix for..."
[21:17] <xnox> mgz, true except that the log message are long and descrptive (../trunk/ is svn with very large commits)
[21:17] <xnox> I've ended up copy pasting the output from $ bzr log =)
[23:37] <mgz> lifeless: who was it you said was interested in launchpad bug mail issues?
[23:38] <mgz> I found bug 474615 which is basically my gmail filtering problem.


[08:54] <mup> Bug #1805869 changed: Domains resource_record_count only shows count of non-implicit records. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1805869>
[09:19] <mup> Bug #1826388 changed: Upgrade MAAS from 2.4 to 2.5 version - with "Ubuntu extra architectures" changed <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1826388>
[09:19] <mup> Bug #1832855 changed: disconnected interface not set to optional in netplan config <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832855>
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1989738 opened: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>
[15:26] <mup> Bug #1989738 changed: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>
[15:32] <mup> Bug #1989738 opened: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>


[19:03] <brieweb> I have mythbuntu 14.04 installed on a Dell and it's connected to my TV through hdmi. When I switch input ports, it can't find the display until I log into the machine through the network and restart the display
[19:04] <brieweb> strange thing is that it used to work until I applied an update at some point.
[19:06] <brieweb> correction, when I turn off the tv and turn it back on it won't detect the display


[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:00]  * vorlon waves
[15:00] <infinity> \o
[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <vorlon> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr  4 15:01:42 2019 UTC.  The chair is vorlon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:01] <vorlon> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:01] <vorlon> $ echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson juliank waveform)
[15:02] <vorlon> rbalint bdmurray infinity tdaitx vorlon xnox waveform cyphermox doko mwhudson sil2100 juliank
[15:02] <xnox> rbalint, did you nominate vorlon last week?
[15:02] <juliank> may I move up?
[15:02] <bdmurray> juliank: I'll trade you
[15:03] <juliank> bdmurray: thanks
[15:03] <vorlon> rbalint:
[15:04] <rbalint> a moment
[15:04] <vorlon> juliank: you can go first then ;)
[15:04] <juliank>  * opened merge request for ua apt integration, fixed up comments, and got it merged
[15:04] <juliank>  * poked RT to allow aptdaemon in :)
[15:04] <juliank>  * ran my version regression script
[15:04] <juliank>  * uploaded update-notifier motd stuff to disco
[15:04] <juliank>  * committed (regression) test case for apt/trusty regression to apt 1.8.y branch
[15:04] <juliank>  * answering APT questions on IRC and email
[15:04] <juliank>  * filed another gnome-shell bug and forwarded the last one to upstream
[15:04] <juliank>  * fixed up the update-notifier upload to add missing build-dependency
[15:04] <juliank>  * SRUed update-notifier ESM stuff to trusty
[15:04] <juliank>  * Reviewing and merging apt merge requests
[15:04] <juliank> (done)
[15:05] <rbalint> (short week)
[15:05] <rbalint> * checked openjdk11 sru transition for changed conffiles and if u-u breaks
[15:05] <rbalint> * made lintian autpkgtes parallel
[15:05] <rbalint> * gardened branches in lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/+source/systemd , please use it for preparing new uploads
[15:05] <rbalint> * joined a few discussions
[15:05] <rbalint> * uploaded fix for LP: #1823125
[15:05] <rbalint> * added ubuntu-wsl to ubuntu-meta, seed change reviews are pending
[15:06] <infinity> rbalint: Can that lintian change be forwarded to Debian.  I'd hate to carry a delta just for that.
[15:06] <bdmurray> juliank: Is your version regression script anywhere other people can use it?
[15:06] <rbalint> infinity, it is done and merged
[15:06] <infinity> rbalint: Ahh, excellent, it wasn't when I looked.
[15:06] <juliank> bdmurray: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W2bd6pJ334/
[15:06] <bdmurray> juliank: Does update-notifier need reviewing for trusty?
[15:06] <juliank> bdmurray: sil2100 approved it
[15:06] <bdmurray> okay
[15:07]  * sil2100 was fast in the morning
[15:07] <sil2100> But now I'm slow again
[15:07] <infinity> rbalint: Also, were you (done)?
[15:07]  * juliank heads out, started too early today and still recovering from hearing loss on Monday, so going for a walk
[15:08] <rbalint> (done)
[15:08] <infinity>  * last-minute merges (dpkg, lsb, etc)
[15:08] <infinity>  * help investigating Qt/KDE s390x issues
[15:08] <infinity>  * prepping (hopfully) final glibc upload for disco
[15:08] <infinity>  * SO MANY QUEUE REVIEWS
[15:08] <infinity> (done)
[15:08] <infinity> PS: Won't be here for squad standup this afternoon; I have a doctor's appt.
[15:08] <vorlon> tdaitx:
[15:08] <tdaitx> * openjdk-11 bionic security transition
[15:08] <tdaitx>   - reviewing update excuses adt failures
[15:08] <tdaitx>   - investigating conffiles modification based on rbalint's u-u bb to bb-proposed work
[15:08] <tdaitx>   - looked over libreoffice issues/fixes
[15:08] <tdaitx> * looking at pending merges
[15:08] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:08] <rbalint> infinity, the -j flag was dropped in lintian instead of my change
[15:08] <vorlon>  * short week, was off all last week
[15:08] <vorlon>  * end of cycle reviews (NEW, unapproved, etc)
[15:08] <vorlon>  * SRU reviews (openssl into bionic-proposed)
[15:08] <vorlon>  * proposed-migration: shepherding the various stuck things
[15:08] <vorlon>  * code reviews for automating nvidia driver support in GKE
[15:08] <vorlon>  * code review of tooling to manage all the different signed kernels now https://code.launchpad.net/~apw/ubuntu-archive-tools/copy-proposed-kernels-routing-updates/+merge/365420
[15:08] <infinity> rbalint: Yeah, it should auto-j without it, as I read the code.  Works for me.
[15:08] <vorlon>  * discussions around final plan for OpenJDK11 SRU release
[15:08] <vorlon> (done)
[15:09] <vorlon> oh, also discussing removing the rails packages
[15:09] <vorlon> (double-done)
[15:09] <vorlon> xnox:
[15:09] <xnox> * subiquity, reviews/merges/releases/testing/ci-debug
[15:09] <xnox> * openssl-sru revisions & fixes / debugging wget-ssl
[15:09] <xnox>   - openssl 1.1.1 is in bionic-proposed now \o/
[15:09] <xnox> * done
[15:09] <rbalint> vorlon, (well done) :-)
[15:09] <waveform> * tested armhf+arm64 disco images on variety of pi platforms (3B, 3B+, 3A+, CM3, CM3+), need to test 2B images this week
[15:09] <waveform> * updated linux-firmware-raspi2 package to latest firmware release (in PPA; will need SRU for CM3+ boot on bionic)
[15:09] <waveform> * SRU verification for netplan.io, #1819014
[15:09] <waveform> * worked on python3.7 fix on armhf, #1821869
[15:09] <waveform> * resolved reviews of pi "amazing" spec
[15:09] <waveform> * finished pi first boot spec, currently in review
[15:09] <waveform> * investigating zfs on pi issue, #1822797
[15:09] <waveform> * verifying pi-bluetooth configuration on classic
[15:09] <waveform> * learning console-conf ... for my sins
[15:09] <waveform> (done)
[15:10] <cyphermox> - netplan SRU verifications
[15:10] <cyphermox> - grub2 SRU verifications
[15:10] <cyphermox> - fixed missing grub-check-sig run in trusty's grub2 SRU (grub2-signed/1.34.20)
[15:10] <cyphermox> - investigating how I can setup an openstack lab for more better netplan testing
[15:10] <cyphermox> - revised https://code.launchpad.net/~cyphermox/debian-cd/nomodeset/+merge/364344
[15:10] <cyphermox> - ubiquity slideshow update
[15:10] <cyphermox> - looking at ubiquity bugs
[15:10] <cyphermox> - sponsored livecd-rootfs/2.575 for r.c.j; fix duplicate snap listings in manifest
[15:10] <cyphermox> - reran cross-toolchain-base-mipsen tests a few times, still tracking down i386 failures
[15:10] <cyphermox> (medium rare done?)
[15:10] <doko> tdaitx: lo is now addressed
[15:10] <doko> - currently at Linaro Connect
[15:10] <doko> - GCC updates for bionic and cosmic
[15:10] <doko> - openjdk 11 11.0.3+5
[15:10] <doko> - pestered^W helped waveform to setup arm* chroots
[15:10] <doko> - python3.x uploads to address bus error (fixed by waveform)
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:11] <waveform> :)
[15:11] <sil2100> - Sick most last week and on Monday-ish + holidays last week, doctor appointments
[15:11] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:11] <cyphermox> waveform: thanks for the sru verif btw :)
[15:11] <sil2100> - Releasing of many kernels, new kernel cycle starting
[15:11] <sil2100> - core18:
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Preparing the PR for date-based version numbers
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Debugging the date-based version change, poking with m_vo + finally getting help from Sergio - now done!
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Lots of PR reviews, corrections and merges
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Experimenting with snap prepare-image --classic
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Some progress on the core18 promoter scripting
[15:11] <sil2100> - Review and merge of the more-strict-parser PR to ubuntu-image
[15:11] <sil2100> - Reviewing the Raspi Pi specs (times two!)
[15:11] <sil2100> - Some pi discussions here and there
[15:11] <sil2100> - Fixing the core18 auto-snap-builder to properly notice packages in the additional PPAs
[15:11] <sil2100> - Helping out with the systemd SRU autopkgtest regressions to make the package releasable today
[15:11] <sil2100> - FFe and UIFe reviews
[15:11] <sil2100> (good done)
[15:12] <tdaitx> doko: yeah, when I was looking at the issue I noticed you had uploaded the fix for it
[15:12] <bdmurray> searched for duplicates of LP: #1811694 - found a couple
[15:12] <bdmurray> investigation into apport crash LP: #1820132 - missing executable
[15:12] <bdmurray> wrote an apport test case for add_gdb_info about a missing executable
[15:12] <bdmurray> uploaded apport to disco with fixes for LP: #1809247, LP: #1396160 and the above bug
[15:12] <bdmurray> also modified apport's relationship with policykit in part b/c of LP: #1821415
[15:12] <bdmurray> research into LP: #1822886, testing of possible upgrade failure scenarios
[15:12] <bdmurray> worked on a better method for u-r-u to check for releases and archive has
[15:12] <bdmurray> approved netplan.io SRU exception
[15:12] <bdmurray> review of juliank's update-notifier esm changes
[15:12] <bdmurray> well done
[15:14] <bdmurray> vorlon: I think that's everyone
[15:14] <vorlon> great
[15:14] <vorlon> any questions?
[15:15] <vorlon> #topic Release incoming bugs (disco)
[15:15] <vorlon> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:15] <vorlon> bdmurray: ?
[15:15] <bdmurray> bug 1821677 was tagged by doko and but it was on 4/1
[15:15] <vorlon> I see there's a new bug reporting a segfault in a glic we're not shipping
[15:16] <infinity> Hrm?
[15:16] <doko> I got a ping from upstream about that, didn't look at that in detail
[15:16] <vorlon> from upstream of what?
[15:16] <doko> glibc
[15:16] <doko> glibc/intel
[15:16] <infinity> "not shipping"?
[15:16] <xnox> desktop team?
[15:16] <vorlon> infinity: the bug report says 2.28
[15:17] <infinity> Which is in cosmic.
[15:17] <vorlon> but it's been marked dd-incoming
[15:17] <vorlon> is it also reproducible in disco?
[15:17] <infinity> That would be doko.
[15:18] <infinity> I'll have a look at that today/tomorrow (doctor/etc premitting today) before I do the disco upload.
[15:18] <vorlon> infinity: so you think we should commit to fixing it in disco?
[15:18] <vorlon> (I can't reproduce it here on either cosmic or disco)
[15:19] <infinity> Can't reproduce with their test case?
[15:19] <infinity> Well, that might make it harder. :P
[15:19] <infinity> I was committing to look, not to fix if I can't repro.
[15:19] <vorlon> infinity: I'm not using their so, which I don't see attached
[15:19] <vorlon> maybe it's in this tarball
[15:19] <vorlon> anyway, I guess we can tentatively commit and uncommit later
[15:19]  * infinity nods.
[15:20] <vorlon> ok, targeting
[15:20] <vorlon> bdmurray: next?
[15:20] <infinity> make: *** [Makefile:10: runtest] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:20] <infinity> Seems to repro here.
[15:20] <vorlon> ok
[15:20] <bdmurray> bug 1820676
[15:21] <vorlon> infinity: (I was trying to repro from the bug description, not the attached tarall)
[15:21] <vorlon> b
[15:21] <infinity> Might have been a mismerge of that patch, or just needs more ifdef arm.
[15:22] <doko> I can confirm this one, renaming the exe helped
[15:22] <vorlon> cyphermox: ^^ is that not fixed in the disco dailies?
[15:22] <vorlon> related to missing mmx64
[15:22] <cyphermox> it was fixed not long ago
[15:22] <vorlon> was it fixed after 3/18? :)
[15:22] <cyphermox> checking
[15:23] <infinity> Would have been right around then.
[15:23] <vorlon> bdmurray: let us follow up on that, it's probably fixed
[15:23] <cyphermox> 3/20
[15:23] <infinity> Cause the images weren't getting the new d-i bits due to a hung build on nusakan.
[15:25] <cyphermox> spot checking on cdimage.u.c shows that ubuntu-mate and ubuntu dailies have the file
[15:25] <infinity> Yeah, they all should now.
[15:25] <bdmurray> that's all I noticed in dd-incoming
[15:25] <cyphermox> yup
[15:25] <vorlon> yeah I've followed up on the bug
[15:26] <vorlon> I'm not bothering to target to disco because if there is a bug, it's probably not in a package in the archive
[15:26] <vorlon> anyway I will follow through
[15:26] <vorlon> bdmurray: what aout LP: #1815599 and LP: #1812688 that are on the report?
[15:27] <bdmurray> the multipath one is incomplete, has it been updated?
[15:27] <vorlon> xnox nominated the first
[15:27] <vorlon> no
[15:27] <vorlon> so I guess we can ignore
[15:27] <vorlon> the other one, I tried to close and seb128 called me on it because I didn't read bdmurray's previous comment right
[15:27] <xnox> vorlon, the multipath one was handindled by cpaelzer a bit
[15:28] <vorlon> bdmurray: I think we should decline LP: #1812688, if we were willing to override the test to ignore the failure, it must not be critical enough to block a release
[15:29] <bdmurray> vorlon: okay
[15:29] <vorlon> done
[15:29] <vorlon> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:29] <vorlon> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:30] <bdmurray> I'm looking at apport
[15:30] <vorlon> xnox: fuse-zip status?
[15:30] <doko> g inggs pinged several times about scipy
[15:30] <vorlon> I see you merged a new upstream version of fuse-zip, so that it can now fail its tests consistently on all archs
[15:31] <infinity> vorlon, doko: Should cross-toolchain-base-whatever be addded to huge packages in autopkgtest, or should the massively massive (with hugeness) rebuild test maybe be pared down?
[15:31] <vorlon> doko: I know he pinged me while I was on vacation and not in a position to do anything with it.  If someone has a clear rationale for ignoring that test failure, MPs welcome
[15:31] <xnox> vorlon, didn't get to it, but also not critical to migrate as far as i remember. yes which is an "improvement" =) my next trick was going to be to cherrypick fuse patch from upstream, or comment out / ignore the test that doesn't do the right clean up.
[15:31] <xnox> vorlon, skipping one test, makes it all pass locally.
[15:31] <cyphermox> infinity: +1, I think?
[15:32] <xnox> (the test that tries to setup invalid/broken state, and assert on it)
[15:32] <cyphermox> cross-toolchain-base-mipsen?
[15:32] <doko> infinity: it's building exactly *one* cross toolchain. you could reduce the load further by not building the multilibs
[15:32] <xnox> not sure what i should do about fuse-zip. horum.
[15:32]  * xnox tries to trow things into bileto ppa, to make it stick.
[15:32] <doko> but vorlon wanted to look why it takes so much longer in some builds
[15:32] <vorlon> xnox: "not critical to migrate" - someone in this channel uplodaed fuse with the intent that it release, and you committed to resolve this
[15:33] <doko> xnox: should we remove fuse & fuse-zip from -proposed?
[15:33] <vorlon> xnox: so if you're following up, all good
[15:33] <xnox> vorlon, yes, and when i questioned why fuse was synced post debian import freeze no reply followed. doko - do you recall why we need/want new fuse?
[15:33] <xnox> vorlon, but kind of can kicking, removing fuse now from -proposed will just come back in a couple of weeks.
[15:34] <doko> I forgot, it was something to fulfill b-d's probably
[15:34] <xnox> and well needs to be folved now, or later.
[15:34] <xnox> doko, ah, and now they are built, we don't need it anymore, right ?! =)))))))) har har
[15:34] <vorlon> we wouldn't know, since we can't launch new rebuild tests
[15:34] <xnox> =)
[15:35] <gaughen> vorlon, lies.  ;-)
[15:35] <vorlon> heh
[15:37] <gaughen> so what are we doing with fuse?
[15:37] <gaughen> removing it?
[15:37] <infinity> Removing it is pointless.
[15:37] <gaughen> so what are we doing with fuse?
[15:38] <vorlon> infinity, doko: cross-toolchain-base: the issue was the variance in build times, which doko pointed to as an indicator of a problem in the autopkgtest infra; but I don't think giving it a bigger testbed prevents us from still doing that analysis
[15:38] <vorlon> gaughen: xnox has a list of next steps for getting it migratable
[15:38] <gaughen> k
[15:38] <vorlon> and sphinx is still there
[15:38] <xnox> vorlon, que?
[15:40] <xnox> is it only me that gets very choppy audio
[15:40] <xnox> vorlon, i can't hear you at all...
[15:41] <waveform> xnox, audio's fine for me
[15:42] <vorlon> xnox: sphinx, my recollection is that you were going to follow up on #ubuntu-release to sort out what to do about sphinx vs webkit2gtk, and I don't think that happened
[15:43] <xnox> vorlon, we did talk about it with the desktop team, but i can't remember if we conclude something or not.
[15:49] <vorlon> xnox: I didn't see a conclusion and it didn't get fixed in the archive :)
[15:49] <vorlon> xnox: shall we try again to take this to #ubuntu-release after this meeting? ;)
[15:49] <xnox> hm.
[15:52] <vorlon> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:54] <rbalint> i'd like to have LP: #1821924 rc
[15:54] <rbalint> because it breaks do-release-upgrade which is ours
[15:55] <rbalint> lxd is not maintained by our team, but release team could weigh in
[15:55] <bdmurray> is rc a verb there?
[15:55] <rbalint> release critical
[15:55] <infinity> release criticalified
[15:55] <bdmurray> rc'ed then
[15:56] <rbalint> ok :-)
[15:56] <infinity> Inappropriate apostrophe alert.
[15:57] <rbalint> any comment on the actual bug?
[16:01] <vorlon> so, since snaps don't work under wsl, should the lxd deb be removed as part of the upgrade?
[16:03] <bdmurray> don't we do that with gnome-calculator and other desktop packages?
[16:03] <xnox> vorlon, i think that's valid, at least for now. at the moment the new .deb fails to configure, blocking upgrade.
[16:03] <xnox> vorlon, and it may happen on non-wsl systems too.
[16:04] <xnox> vorlon, imho the error code path on snapd-less systems when doing do-release-upgrade is currently very bad.
[16:04] <vorlon> it sounds like this is something we need to take offline
[16:04] <vorlon> #endmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr  4 16:04:59 2019 UTC.
[16:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-04-04-15.01.moin.txt
[16:05] <vorlon> thanks, all
[16:05] <sil2100> vorlon: thanks o/
[16:16] <rbalint> o/
[17:50] <tdaitx> vorlon: yes, it is a new blocker, rbalint set it as In Progress but it is unassigned, not sure if he is handling that
[17:50] <tdaitx> his status included "uploaded fix for LP: #1823125"
[19:46] <Kilos> o/
[19:57]  * bashfulrobot leaving the sword at the door, but looking for coffee.
[20:18] <diddledan> yeah, I'm here
[20:29] <Kilos> vlijm  ping
[20:33] <vlijm> Hey guys!
[20:33] <diddledan> hello hello
[20:33] <Kilos> hi vlijm
[20:33] <bashfulrobot> heyo vlijm !
[20:33] <vlijm> I'm in :)
[20:33] <wxl> ok we all ready to go?
[20:33] <bashfulrobot> I'm good
[20:33] <diddledan> yup
[20:33] <vlijm> I am!
[20:34] <wxl> ok
[20:34] <wxl> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board 20:00
[20:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr  4 20:34:33 2019 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:34] <wxl> #meetingtopic Jacob Vlijm
[20:35] <wxl> hm that's weird
[20:35] <bashfulrobot> ?
[20:35] <wxl> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Membership Board 20:00
[20:35] <wxl> #topic Jacob Vlijm
[20:35] <wxl> there
[20:35] <wxl> that's right
[20:35] <wxl> ok
[20:35] <wxl> Hi Jacob :)
[20:36] <diddledan> we know what we're doing :-)
[20:36] <vlijm> Hi, and thanks fo meeting me
[20:36] <bashfulrobot> Trust us.
[20:36] <vlijm> I do :)
[20:36] <wxl> i mean there are some things i know, at least
[20:36] <Kilos> brave man
[20:36] <wxl> Anyways, please introduce yourself, give us your wiki & Launchpad pages and tell us anything you might feel relevant.
[20:37] <vlijm> her we go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlijm
[20:38] <vlijm> Ubuntu user since 2011 (I believe), currently member of the Ubuntu Budgie core team
[20:38] <vlijm> Ask Ubuntu active user
[20:39] <vlijm> What can I say?
[20:39] <vlijm> wrote quite a lot of stuff for Unity (mostly indicators)
[20:39] <vlijm> Now writing stuff for Ubuntu Budgie etc.
[20:40] <vlijm> Oh, wait you asked for Launchpad, that's ~vlijm
[20:40]  * bashfulrobot posts easy link - https://launchpad.net/~vlijm
[20:41] <wxl> Great!
[20:42] <wxl> Anyone here want to give kudos and support of Jacob?
[20:42] <bashfulrobot> Is it appropriate if I left a testimonial?
[20:42] <wxl> Sure, doesn't hurt :)
[20:42] <diddledan> yes, popey did that for me when I joined and he was on the board at that time :-p
[20:42] <bashfulrobot> Well in that case....
[20:43]  * popey arrives
[20:44] <Kilos> hi popey
[20:44] <diddledan> damn. when you speak ill of the devil
[20:44]  * wxl images popey swooping in like Batman
[20:44] <diddledan> wxl: in his underwear? or was that Superman?
[20:44] <wxl> diddledan: I'm not sure whether or not popey has Batman underwear
[20:45] <diddledan> ... must be professional. :-p
[20:45] <popey> I just dropped by to say "holy cow" at the amount of work Jacob does on askubuntu. It's very impressive.
[20:45] <fossfreedom> \o ... happy to endorse Jacob - as project lead of UB have watched with interest how Jacob has made UB what it is today.  Equally in AU land - active and dynamic and eveyone just loves his well thought out contributions. Credit to Ubuntu
[20:45] <vlijm> :) thanks a lot!
[20:46] <bashfulrobot> Jacob (when he joined UB) came in mostly writing applets in Python. When we have a need to move these over to Vala - it did not even phase him even though one can argue over the merits of each language. We all have our fav tools. He dove right in. Continues to drive new features into the ecosystem that people outside of Ubuntu take advantage of. Does his best to support there as well. It is not uncommon for us to see Majaro users
[20:46] <bashfulrobot> in our forums who use some of the applets he has written. He is very active on a consistent basis in our team channels, Ask Ubuntu, our Discourse forum, etc. He spends the time.
[20:46] <vlijm> Thing is, always difficult to tell about oneself I guess, so please fire away
[20:47] <wxl> Membership Board: any questions for Jacob?
[20:47] <Kilos> nope i am happy
[20:47] <diddledan> I'm good :-)
[20:47] <bashfulrobot> I'm good
[20:47] <bashfulrobot> My opinion is pretty clear above. :-)
[20:48] <wxl> Ok then I guess it's voting time..
[20:48] <vlijm> Wow, that's quick
[20:48] <wxl> #vote membership of Jacob Vlijm
[20:48] <meetingology> Please vote on: membership of Jacob Vlijm
[20:48] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:48] <bashfulrobot> +1
[20:48] <meetingology> +1 received from bashfulrobot
[20:48] <wxl> +1 amazing work! keep it up!
[20:48] <meetingology> +1 amazing work! keep it up! received from wxl
[20:48] <Kilos> +1 keep up the great work and welcome onboard
[20:48] <meetingology> +1 keep up the great work and welcome onboard received from Kilos
[20:49] <diddledan> +1 really thorough wiki page. lots of amazing endorsements. well done. Excellent work!
[20:49] <meetingology> +1 really thorough wiki page. lots of amazing endorsements. well done. Excellent work! received from diddledan
[20:49] <vlijm> Wow!! You guys make me happy
[20:49] <Kilos> happy people work better
[20:50] <diddledan> so get to work!
[20:50] <diddledan> :-p
[20:50] <bashfulrobot> ha ha
[20:50] <Kilos> lol
[20:50] <wxl> oh i guess i should have done votes required
[20:50] <wxl> wonder if this will break now
[20:50] <vlijm> Hehe.
[20:51] <wxl> #votesrequired +3
[20:51] <meetingology> votes now need 3 to be passed
[20:51]  * bashfulrobot the suspense....
[20:51] <wxl> #endvote
[20:51] <meetingology> Voting ended on: membership of Jacob Vlijm
[20:51] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:51] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:51] <wxl> there we go
[20:51] <diddledan> yey
[20:51] <vlijm> Yay!!
[20:51] <fossfreedom> congrats vlijm - well deserved
[20:51] <bashfulrobot> Welcome!
[20:51] <wxl> congrats, vlijm !
[20:51] <Kilos> well done
[20:51] <diddledan> well done vlijm :-) congratulations
[20:51] <vlijm> Thanks so much :)
[20:52]  * bashfulrobot off to my next meeting (in the day job).
[20:52] <Kilos> lol
[20:52] <Kilos> keep smiling
[20:52] <diddledan> shall we #endmeeting?
[20:52] <wxl> oh oops yes
[20:52] <vlijm> Thanks guys, see you later I guess
[20:53] <wxl> i was adding him to members
[20:53] <wxl> #endmeeting
[20:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr  4 20:53:08 2019 UTC.
[20:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-04-04-20.34.moin.txt
[20:53] <diddledan> yey
[20:53] <diddledan> thanks for chairing, wxl
[20:53] <Kilos> ty wxl
[20:53] <wxl> ok you're a member vlijm :)
[20:54] <vlijm> Greatgreat.
[20:54] <wxl> vlijm: don't froget to pick up your perks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks .. some of those things aren't automagic
[21:02] <Kilos> guiver_d  you here?
[21:03] <guiver_d> yep
[21:04] <guiver_d> Kilos: yes
[21:04] <Kilos> sorry just checking the board
[21:06] <Kilos> if all are available we can do you now
[21:06] <guiver_d> Yep.  just got a fresh tea.
[21:08] <Wild_Man> Hello guiverc
[21:08] <guiverc> Howdy Wild_Man
[21:08] <wxl> ok here we go again
[21:09] <diddledan> this is fun :-p
[21:09] <wxl> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board @2100
[21:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr  4 21:09:08 2019 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[21:09] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[21:09] <wxl> #topic Chris Guiver
[21:10] <wxl> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting! The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[21:10] <wxl> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[21:10] <wxl> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[21:10] <wxl> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[21:10] <wxl> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[21:10] <wxl> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the majority of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[21:10] <wxl> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[21:10] <diddledan> oh you found the script :-)
[21:10] <wxl> yep. always improving :)
[21:11] <wxl> That said, Chris, fire away!
[21:11] <guiverc> wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/guiverc
[21:13] <guiverc> Hi, my name is Chris, first involved with Ubuntu with UWN (issue #425, July 2015) with 125 now contribs.  I'm a medically retired coder (s390/z-series now) with pain issues, so at times concentration is lacking..
[21:14] <wxl> Thanks for the intro, Chris!
[21:14] <wxl> Is anyone here in support of Chris?
[21:16] <guiverc> I haven't (& wouldn't) asked anyone - if that's were you're heading wxl
[21:16] <Kilos> wxl  you know Chris?
[21:16] <wxl> Ok, well just checking.
[21:18] <wxl> Kilos: yeah Chris has long been a heavy QA tester. Like across the entire gamut of flavors. He's also very good at writing and testing and updating bugs. It's hard not to see his name mentioned on Ask Ubuntu. More recently, he's been helping with Lubuntu and has been an utter Godsend. He's an all around great guy :)
[21:18] <Wild_Man> Chris does outstanding work for the UWN and has for several years now
[21:19] <Kilos> ty wxl  that alone eases my mind
[21:20] <Wild_Man> Chris also publishes to the fridge
[21:21] <wxl> Any questions for Chris or should we go ahead and vote?
[21:21] <Kilos> i am ready to vote
[21:21] <diddledan> I think I'm good
[21:21] <Wild_Man> Ready
[21:22] <wxl> #vote Chris Guiver membership
[21:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: Chris Guiver membership
[21:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[21:22] <wxl> #votesrequired +3
[21:22] <meetingology> votes now need 3 to be passed
[21:22] <Kilos> +1 keep it up
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 keep it up received from Kilos
[21:22] <Wild_Man> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from Wild_Man
[21:22] <wxl> +1 you do amazing work across the entire spectrum of Ubuntu and I thank you for it!
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 you do amazing work across the entire spectrum of Ubuntu and I thank you for it! received from wxl
[21:23] <diddledan> +1 I would have liked to have seen a testimonial or two on your wiki page, but from the remaining evidence I am still happy to give you a thumbs up
[21:23] <meetingology> +1 I would have liked to have seen a testimonial or two on your wiki page, but from the remaining evidence I am still happy to give you a thumbs up received from diddledan
[21:23] <wxl> #endvote
[21:23] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Chris Guiver membership
[21:23] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:23] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:23] <wxl> Congrats and welcome to the family, officially, guiverc :)
[21:23] <diddledan> congratulations, guiverc
[21:23] <Kilos> congrats guiverc
[21:23] <Wild_Man> Congratulations guiverc
[21:24] <guiverc> Thanks all
[21:24] <Wild_Man> Thank You!
[21:24] <wxl> guiverc: don't forget to pick up your perks :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks
[21:24] <Kilos> ty again wxl and board members
[21:25] <wxl> thanks all
[21:25] <wxl> #endmeeting
[21:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr  4 21:25:37 2019 UTC.
[21:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-04-04-21.09.moin.txt
[21:56] <wxl> mIk3_08: you ready for the membership meeting?
[21:57] <Wild_Man> Hello mIk3_08 and welcome!
[21:59] <Kilos> hi mIk3_08
[22:03] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, are you ready?
[22:19] <Wild_Man> Hello mIk3_08, the 22:00 meeting has been canceled since you have not replied to our hello's


[08:00]  * nuvolari tips hat
[08:00] <nuvolari> 'morning
[08:08] <superfly> cold morning
[08:09] <sakhi> morning nuvolari superfly and everyone.
[08:09] <sakhi> Maaz: forecast Cape Town
[08:09] <Maaz> sakhi: Sunday: Partly Cloudy. High: 14° C., Sunday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 15° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 16° C., Tuesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 7° C., Wednesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 7° C., Thursday: Mostly Cloudy. High: 18° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Friday: Partly Cloudy. H
[08:17] <Kilos> morning superfly and other cold peeps
[08:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:19] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[08:21] <Maaz> Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue,
[08:21] <Kilos> sigh
[08:22] <Kilos> and virtue is a grace and grace was a naughty girl who didnt wash her face
[08:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:22] <Kilos> or her hands before messing up her keyboard
[08:22] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:22] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[08:23] <nuvolari> mornings sakhi, oom Kilos, superfly
[08:23] <Kilos> lo nuvolari is it cold in durbs too
[08:27] <Squirm> morning
[08:27] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:28] <Squirm> how things going?
[08:28] <Kilos> well ty and you
[08:28] <Kilos> did you enjoy the uk bit
[08:28] <Squirm> yeah it's not too bad, being Monday and all
[08:28] <Squirm> Kilos: I loved it
[08:29] <Squirm> well, the last few months
[08:29] <Kilos> why you came back so quick
[08:29] <Kilos> you didnt even get used to the cold
[08:30] <Squirm> actually I left after the end of winter, so this is kind of winter no.3 for me
[08:30] <Squirm> but I ran out of money :/ couldnt find another job
[08:31] <Kilos> eish
[08:31] <Kilos> aw
[08:31] <Kilos> they normally happy with peeps that will do manual labour for them
[08:33] <Squirm> ah well
[08:33] <Squirm> now I'm stuck at home in the middle of nowhere
[08:33] <Squirm> but it's actually better than before I left
[08:33] <Kilos> and its too cold here to go swimming in the dam hey
[08:34] <Kilos> hiya scar[w]
[08:34] <Kilos> i found the ZS6 guy again
[08:34] <Kilos> it be bmg
[08:35] <Squirm> I've just made more of a mission to be social
[08:35] <Kilos> aw i forgot to tab him
[08:35] <Kilos> lol why is it a mission Squirm
[08:35] <Squirm> Real Life is an effort
[08:36] <Squirm> to try and get some people out, wow
[08:36] <Kilos> eish and you still got many years ahead
[08:36] <Squirm> my neighbour is so lazy
[08:36] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <superfly> Squirm: sounds like you are too
[08:36] <Squirm> I went to primary school with him, he's been home like a month or 2 now and I havent seen him
[08:36] <Kilos> tv addicts?
[08:36] <Squirm> not for lack of trying
[08:37] <Squirm> superfly: I am :P But he's worse\
[08:37] <Squirm> much
[08:37] <Squirm> the effort lies in getting other people to be active
[08:39] <Kilos> what does he do Squirm
[08:39] <kbmonkey> mornings
[08:39] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[08:39] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on
[08:39] <Kilos> apart from as little as possible
[08:39] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey
[08:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:39]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:39] <kbmonkey> oh dear, Kilos did you finish the coffee? ;p
[08:39] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[08:39] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[08:39] <Kilos> lol
[08:40] <Kilos> hehe
[08:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please my favoritest of bots
[08:40] <Maaz> kbmonkey: *blink*
[08:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[08:40] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[08:40]  * kbmonkey thinks Maaz needs a course in Natural Language Processing ;p
[08:40] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <kbmonkey> I hope you all are keeping warm
[08:42] <Kilos> im waiting for someone to help that johan on the lists
[08:43] <Kilos> dont all linux flavours as he calls them work with chown
[08:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey!
[08:43] <Kilos> or have i not read his question properly
[08:44] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[08:44] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[08:44] <kbmonkey> Maaz, dankie
[08:44] <Maaz> Groot plesier kbmonkey my vriend
[08:44] <kbmonkey> oh I totally missed that email Kilos, I'll have a look too
[08:45] <Kilos> i am using karmic and maverick and have no probs with permissions on my external
[08:46] <kbmonkey> your external is formatted with fat32/ntfs?
[08:46] <Kilos> shame and he asked yesterday already and no one has helped him
[08:47] <kbmonkey> oh I have seen this before
[08:47] <Kilos> ext is ext4
[08:47] <kbmonkey> il do some tests and see about a solution
[08:48] <Kilos> i have great fun when boet gets here with his I5 lappy  and he cant even see my external but i see everything on his
[08:48] <Kilos> he's a win7 man
[08:48] <Kilos> hehe
[08:51] <kbmonkey> hhe
[08:51] <kbmonkey> I compiled WINE the other day, took 20 minutes, and then sound did not work. eish ;p
[08:52] <Kilos> i tried wine with an old age of empires on karmic and it crashed my pc and have been scared since then
[08:53] <kbmonkey> I play half life 2 on wine no problems :) but since reformat no more games
[08:53] <Kilos> but it would help pass the time if i could get it working
[08:53] <Kilos> lo sdehaan
[08:53] <kbmonkey> oh this is just too good: kbmonkey@netbook:/media/disk$ touch this
[08:54] <kbmonkey> touch: cannot touch 'this'
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:54] <kbmonkey> hammertime!
[08:54] <Kilos> yeah when in doubt use a hammer
[08:55] <Kilos> the larger the doubt the larger the hammer
[08:57] <Kilos> that johan sounds like he knows what he is doing too
[08:57] <kbmonkey> ;p
[08:58] <kbmonkey> hello sdehaan
[08:58] <Kilos> so it will be interesting to see what the answer is
[08:59] <kbmonkey> I think I have one
[08:59] <kbmonkey> just booting another OS to test
[09:01] <scar[w]> good morning Kilos
[09:02] <Kilos> hi scar[w]
[09:08] <Kilos> johan is sorted but i didnt get the mail that trold him how
[09:08] <Kilos> grrr
[09:08] <Kilos> told
[09:09] <kbmonkey> ah, well i'll post for the sake of completeness in the archives for future searches
[09:09] <kbmonkey> as I hate it when looking for answers and an old thread never has an answer ;p
[09:09] <Kilos> ya
[09:10] <kbmonkey> oh wait there is, eek too convoluted!
[09:18] <kbmonkey> I want a Tux hoodie
[09:18] <Kilos> hoodie?
[09:19] <kbmonkey> yes like a long sleeve jacket with a hoodie, for winter
[09:19] <kbmonkey> with Tux embroided on :)
[09:19] <Kilos> lol
[09:27] <Kilos> nice solution kbmonkey
[09:28] <Kilos> whats the 777 for?
[09:30] <kbmonkey> 777 is the numerical value of saying "owner +rw, gourps +rw, and o+rw"
[09:30] <kbmonkey> so its basically allowing all permissions for all users :)
[09:31] <Kilos> ah its not something you gonna use everytime
[09:31] <Kilos> once only
[09:31] <kbmonkey> and that will also handle future users, or new installations, or other computers too ;)
[09:31] <Kilos> well done
[09:32] <Kilos> i got it saved in my sudo chown file
[09:32] <kbmonkey> it's the one thing I do remember from my Red Hat course I did in 2001 :p
[09:33] <Kilos> lol. i dont remember much . have to safe everything and try remember where i saved it
[09:33] <Kilos> hehe
[09:44] <kbmonkey> kung fu panda is awesome :D
[09:47] <Kilos> when you use wine to play a ms game do you have to reboot like with windows
[09:50] <kbmonkey> no you don't Kilos, it's more like you run the .exe through wine
[09:50] <kbmonkey> wine game.exe
[09:50] <Kilos> oh not gui
[09:50] <Kilos> from the command line
[09:51] <kbmonkey> when you install a game, it puts the game shortcut in your menu under WINE for you
[09:51] <Kilos> you dont have an icon you double click to play?
[09:51] <kbmonkey> or you can make your own shortcut.
[09:51] <bmg505> anybody here that knows how I can get ipcop not to accept udp 5060 packets at all, I am down with the flu and mtn bussiness is driving me around the bend
[09:51] <Kilos> lol. ok i gonna try.
[09:51] <bmg505> hello all
[09:52] <Kilos> hi bmg505
[09:52] <kbmonkey> some games don't make a shortcut, that's when you do one yourself. but its easy, ask if you need help :)
[09:52] <Kilos> will do ty kbmonkey
[09:52] <Kilos> bmg505, are you a ham
[09:52] <kbmonkey> I usually go to appdb.winehq.org kilos and look up the game in question and see if there's any special instructions to install
[09:53] <Kilos> oh my
[09:53] <bmg505> Kilos, feel more like off mince meat today, but yea I am
[09:53] <kbmonkey> sorry bmg505 don't know ipcop
[09:54] <Kilos> ah i wondered the ZS6
[09:54] <bmg505> well its simple iptable, you cannot stop the packet from being delivered or so it looks like
[09:54] <bmg505> *iptables
[09:54] <bmg505> yea you can even spy me on aprs.fi put in zs6lmg-14 will see my car
[09:56] <bmg505> you should wonder about the lmg bit not the zs6 :)
[09:58] <Kilos> the ZS6 brought back memories from 40 years ago when i tried to learn morse
[09:58] <Kilos> then fell in love and forgot to carry on
[09:59] <Kilos> but still have a yaesu ft200 i think it is
[10:00] <kbmonkey> I never got a chance to play on a ham radio. but I did do some morse code as a kid for fun
[10:00] <Kilos> it would have been so much easier with maaz around
[10:01] <Kilos> -- .- .- --..   .. ...   .-   -.-. .-.. . ...- . .-.   -... --- -
[10:02] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha. he sure is :)
[10:02] <Kilos> lol
[10:33] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  i got wine1.2 in maverick. do you think thats good enough for the old age of empires 2
[10:33] <Kilos> i see there at the wine hq to register they ask what version of wine and there 8 later versions
[10:34] <Kilos> bhut that would be another 20m of downloads
[10:35] <kbmonkey> 1.2 should be fine Kilos - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=99
[10:35] <kbmonkey> it got a gold rating :)
[10:36] <Kilos> ok i will register with that and see if i can find what they say about aoe2
[10:36] <Kilos> ty
[10:36] <kbmonkey> but as wine goes, its best to try.
[10:37] <kbmonkey> you dont have to register to look up info, you register to vote, and submit test reports
[10:37]  * Kilos thinks superfly happy you are here now he gets some rest from all my questions
[10:37] <kbmonkey> he he :)
[10:37] <Kilos> oh ok i go look for where to query
[10:38] <kbmonkey> see here http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=147&iTestingId=63102
[10:38] <Kilos> ok
[10:40] <kbmonkey> see the poster comments on what they did. usually disabling compiz and running in a window (ie no full screen) solves little issue
[10:40] <Kilos> ok will do ty
[10:48] <Kilos> i cant even get it to install
[10:48] <Kilos> grrrr
[10:49] <kbmonkey> awe :(
[10:49] <kbmonkey> its very hit and miss sometimes.
[10:49] <Kilos> the one guys says he installed from the cd
[10:50] <Kilos> mine just opens and plays the music
[10:50] <Kilos> hehe
[10:56] <kbmonkey> how did you open it?
[10:59] <Kilos> i just put the cd in
[10:59] <Kilos> but i tried right clicking the aoe icon but no choice to install
[11:00] <Kilos> tried the open with autorun prompt
[11:00] <Kilos> didnt work either
[11:00] <Kilos> said it cant find the autorun program
[11:02] <kbmonkey> try run the setup directly in a terminal
[11:02] <kbmonkey> wine /media/path-to-the-cd/setup.exe
[11:02] <Kilos> eish
[11:03] <Kilos> okpath to cd?
[11:04] <Kilos> would that be wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe
[11:05] <kbmonkey> yes try that
[11:05] <kbmonkey> but it depends on what the cd is named, and what the setup file is named
[11:06] <kbmonkey> so you could use file explorer too, nautilus, if you click on the .exe or right-click and open it with wine
[11:06] <Kilos> how you find what the cd is named
[11:07] <kbmonkey> see the files on the CD with nautilus?
[11:08] <Kilos> i tried the windows program loader there but no good
[11:09] <kbmonkey> is that the same as a setup?
[11:10] <Kilos> the file is aoesetup.exe
[11:11] <Kilos> tells me its not an executable bit
[11:14] <kbmonkey> eh, that sounds strange
[11:14] <Kilos> lol
[11:14] <Kilos> you dunno murphy
[11:14] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel , sal jy
[11:15] <kbmonkey> if I had aoe I could try :p
[11:15] <Kilos> if i member right on karmic long time ago when i put the cd in it asked if it must install/open with wine
[11:16] <Kilos> i keep trying
[11:16] <Kilos> to kbmonkey
[11:16] <kbmonkey> well I dont know why the exe has to be executable as it runs through wine ;)
[11:17] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <Kilos> it doesnt even ask to open with wine
[11:17] <kbmonkey> can you right-click the setup and open with... and select wine
[11:18] <kbmonkey> see a CDRom is read only and does not support executable bits by default,
[11:18] <Kilos> i try
[11:19] <kbmonkey> if you cant find wine in the list, expand the custom command box, and type in 'wine' and click okay :)
[11:20] <Kilos> looks like i got something
[11:20] <Kilos> inswtall q4wine from synaptic
[11:21] <kbmonkey> try that, never used q4wine myself
[11:21] <Kilos> went open with q4wine and had to next next lots and now it is open same as with windows
[11:21] <Kilos> will tick the insatall button now
[11:22] <Kilos> its installing
[11:22] <Kilos> whew
[11:22] <kbmonkey> good hope that goes well! gotta run to shops for now :]
[11:22] <Kilos> ty very much
[11:23] <Kilos> go safe
[11:23] <kbmonkey> q4wine should let you launch the game then I guess
[11:33] <superfly> I got both Age of Empires working in WINE
[11:41] <kbmonkey> ah well let's see if kilos got his running too superfly
[12:05] <Kilos> hiya Kerbero
[12:09] <Kilos> bmg505, is the 6 for gauteng
[12:09] <Kilos> and 5 for natal
[12:39] <queery> i
[12:39] <queery> oops
[12:39] <Kilos> lol
[13:13] <Kilos> grrrr
[13:15] <Kilos> ms sucks even with a jug of wine
[14:19] <rodemire> Afternoon people.
[14:22] <rodemire> I had a hard drive with 3 OSs installed" Windows 7, XP and Ubuntu 10.10. I accessed XP through the Windows 7 boot loader. On some random day, i just couldnt access XP anymore, when i selected it, the machine would restart. And its been doing that since then, (about a month ago).
[14:23] <rodemire> I tried "fixmbr" and "fixboot" to get it working but its not working. I then deleted the Windows 7 partition and tried again, but its still not being booted, and its not appearing in grub, when i "updayte-grub"
[14:23] <rodemire> How can i get my XP back?
[14:23] <kbmonkey> hi rodemire
[14:24] <superfly> Ask the Windows IRC channel?
[14:24] <kbmonkey> lol
[14:24] <kbmonkey> thats nasty ;p
[14:24] <superfly> Well, most people in here use Ubuntu, not Windows, and that's because they don't want to use Windows
[14:24] <kbmonkey> if update-grub wont detect it, then your xp install is corrupt or broken
[14:24] <superfly> in fact, some people in here have not used Windows in years
[14:25] <kbmonkey> i stopped using windows last week. for good :)
[14:25] <kbmonkey> fixmbr is the windows equivalent of grub, rodemire. as such update-grub will just override whatever fixmbr did
[14:26] <superfly> There are plenty of places offering Windows support... It's no doubt easier to get Windows support than Linux support, so why ask the one place that *doesn't* deal with Windows?
[14:26] <Kilos> hi rodemire
[14:26] <kbmonkey> 10.10 uses grub2 ?
[14:27] <Kilos> yip
[14:27] <Kilos> rodemire, you can try boot with xp cd and do a recovery
[14:30] <rodemire> Kilos: Thats what i tried last night, i use Ubuntu like 90% of the time but i still need a little bit of XP, and i remember from way back that u can fix it from Ubuntu, so my qtn kinda qualifies for this forum right?!
[14:31] <kbmonkey> you have a Ubuntu live CD rodemire ?
[14:31] <rodemire> Yep, i do.
[14:31] <kbmonkey> (or live usb)
[14:31] <rodemire> i have both.  If you have chrooted in from a live CD, it may not
[14:42] <kbmonkey> didn't know there a #grub
[14:42] <Kilos> yeah i been there too
[14:43] <Kilos> had lotsa hassles at one time
[14:43] <Kilos> everyone said replace the drive
[14:43] <Kilos> and the fault was in the cpu cache
[14:44] <kbmonkey> that's very obscure place for boot issues!
[14:44] <Kilos> somehow xp had corrupted it
[14:44] <kbmonkey> oh, go figure
[14:44] <Kilos> took months but now it be kiff again for last few months
[14:44] <kbmonkey> no windows OS ever touched my current hardware :p
[14:45] <Kilos> thats good
[14:45] <Kilos> thats also why i am scared of wine
[14:45] <Kilos> game starts up in full screen mode then hangs
[14:46] <Kilos> and i cant get to another desktop to try what one of those guys at winehq said
[14:46] <kbmonkey> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[14:46] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: that's been disabled for a while now
[14:47] <kbmonkey> oh, I usually enable that again
[14:47] <Kilos> how do you re enable it kbmonkey
[14:47] <kbmonkey> ctrl+alt+f1 to tty and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ;)
[14:48]  * tumbleweed was only too happy to see it gone, it's easy to type bymistake when you are using ctrl-alt-arrow to change virtual desktop
[14:48] <kbmonkey> your backspace is next to your arrow keys tumbleweed? o.O
[14:48] <Kilos> i went ctrl+alt+f1 and said shutdown
[14:48] <kbmonkey> you can also ctrl-alt-del from tty
[14:49] <Kilos> kbmonkey, i need some way to tell aoe not to use full screen
[14:49] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: I might have started typing before I rieleased ctrl-alt
[14:49] <|3o|3> /etc/init.d/gdm restart!? Thanks kbmonkey, I've always wanted a way to log off when my panels are broken for some or another reason
[14:49] <Kilos> something about cfg
[14:50] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: a SAK will also kill X, so there is a keystroke to do it (if you have a sysrq key)
[14:50] <kbmonkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#.22Raising_Elephants.22_mnemonic_device
[14:50] <kbmonkey> that's the one :)
[14:51] <kbmonkey> that will tell your pc to shut down and unmount disks and reboot properly if things get choppy
[15:07] <Kilos> i found that sysrq key  so its alt+sysrq+what other key?
[15:08] <kbmonkey> yes kilos :)
[15:09] <kbmonkey> the keys in that wiki link
[15:09] <Kilos> lol kbmonkey  what other key? anyone
[15:10] <Kilos> it just says another key
[15:10] <tumbleweed> Kilos: different keys do different things
[15:11] <kbmonkey> see that link kilos, there a sequence of keys, and each does its own thing.
[15:11] <Kilos> i am reading it now
[15:12] <Kilos> oh is the list under action the keys one can use
[15:14] <Kilos> all i want to be able to do is open another desktop to then open wine notepad to stop aoe from hanging
[15:14] <kbmonkey> does alt+F2 pop up the run dialog Kilos ?
[15:14] <Kilos> but aoe fills the whole screen
[15:15] <Kilos> i will try it but it not lekker when whole pc hangs
[15:15] <kbmonkey> also...
[15:15] <Kilos> makes me scared it gonna crash
[15:15] <kbmonkey> yes we must find out how to let it run in a window.
[15:15] <kbmonkey> i think  you run winecfg and in there set an option to run in a virtual desktop
[15:16] <Kilos> and it also removed my xchat icon from top panel even though locked and pidgin now opens inna tiny window
[15:16] <kbmonkey> it's under the 'graphics' tab
[15:16] <kbmonkey> check your screen resolution, it probably change your res
[15:16] <Kilos> in wine config kb?
[15:17] <kbmonkey> yes kilos. you run winecfg (wine config)
[15:17] <Kilos> ok i in graphics now
[15:17] <kbmonkey> i beleive if you turn on the virtual desktop, then it will only fill that window, not your whole screen
[15:17] <kbmonkey> so aoe will think its full screen, but its just being fooled to run in its own window
[15:18] <Kilos> ah lets hope
[15:19] <Kilos> must the "allow the window manager to control the windows be unticked
[15:20] <kbmonkey> mmm, leave that option as it is for now.
[15:20] <Kilos> ok
[15:20] <Kilos> hold thumbs
[15:20] <kbmonkey> *thumbs*
[15:20] <kbmonkey> oh oh
[15:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:21] <kbmonkey> if it gets stuck, you can always ctrl+alt+F1 to a tty, log in, and run "kilall wine" to just terminate wine, and ctrl+alt+f7(or8) back to X
[15:21] <Kilos> ok i write that down first
[15:21] <kbmonkey> *killall wine
[15:22] <kbmonkey> or killall wineserver
[15:36] <Kilos> yay kb
[15:37] <kbmonkey> does it run windowed?
[15:37] <Kilos> it playing inna small window. sound worked till it started game then niks and very slow and jerky. i go look how them fellas fixed it
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <Kilos> murphy back again
[15:38] <kbmonkey> just saw some folks had slowness issues with it :/ oops
[15:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:38]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:38] <kbmonkey> some games are just made like that i guess ;)
[15:38] <Kilos> at least now i can use the other desktops ty very much
[15:39] <kbmonkey> np :)
[15:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:42] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:42] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[16:31] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[16:31]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[16:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[16:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[16:32] <Kilos> hurry
[16:32] <Kilos> grr
[16:32] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[16:32] <Maaz> Hey!


[11:08] <elfy> ochosi: I've run albatross and evince/gnome-mahjjong/abiword/simple-scan/sol from a terminal - if there any other's that you want me to look at let me know
[11:09] <elfy> but I have no idea how to tell if something is gtk3 or not :)
[21:33] <GridCube> knome, :) when you are online please ping me, i would like to discuss the topics i have as asignee on the roadmap please :)
[21:53] <knome> GridCube, i'm here, but i don't know for how long
[21:55] <GridCube> i want to know what should i do about the webcam program point and why did the topic about the display manager changed, i havent seen that poping on the meeting, or maybe i miss it
[21:58] <Unit193> knome: All good here?  Should I just add the X-XFCE; to the current desktop files and diff them?
[22:07] <knome> Unit193, umm. i don't know. you should be in touch with mr_pouit probably on the technical side :)
[22:07] <knome> GridCube, since we don't have a webcam app - just rationalize why we need one, and propose an app :)
[22:08] <knome> GridCube, doesn't need to be too thorough review, but something that people can grasp on a meeting
[22:08] <GridCube> :D okay
[22:08] <GridCube> ok
[22:08] <knome> display manager? lightdm?
[22:08] <knome> oh, monitor management
[22:09] <knome> let me fix my firefox first
[22:09] <Unit193> :3
[22:10] <knome> GridCube, mmh, right. astraljava is looking if we can just improve the xfce-display-dialog instead of using an external app
[22:10] <knome> GridCube, the item is on the agenda, but we haven't got there yet
[22:10] <GridCube> ok :) i just wanted to know why it changed from adding arandr to the default to do a lot of work modding the display dialog :D
[22:11] <knome> i understand he hasn't got very far with it yet - but i think if we can do that, it would be more optimal than any other tool - if we don't get that done, we can just install arandr
[22:11] <knome> well, once the default dialog can handle that monitor stuff, we can depend on that.
[22:11] <knome> (and no need for external stuff)
[22:11] <GridCube> yes i think it would be nice if the default display dialog would be actually good
[22:12] <knome> aiui, it doesn't need too much *new* code, just reusing stuff.
[22:12] <GridCube> :) ok so ill do the webcam stuff
[22:12] <knome> but i might be wrong here too and get beaten by astraljava later.
[22:12] <GridCube> jejeje
[22:15] <knome> astraljava, i think we should postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-application-sets for R.
[22:15] <knome> astraljava, tell me what you think
[22:49] <knome> ok, i'm off. see you all later - possibly tomorrow morning for a short while, or on monday/tuesday
[22:49] <knome> have fun!


[06:26] <JianLei> Hello all. Where can i find the difference between ubuntu kernel and upstream kernel？
[18:39] <chiluk_> @jianlei gitweb for Ubuntu kernels is https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/?q=ubuntu
[18:40] <chiluk_> iirc you are going to want the ubuntu/ubuntu-<release>.git trees
[18:48] <tomreyn> i just read https://www.vusec.net/projects/bhi-spectre-bhb/ and checked for the value of /proc/sys/kernel/unprivileged_bpf_disabled on 18.04 and 20.04 and what may be 22.04, only the latter has it on 2, the others have it at 0. are these plans to change it for the older LTS?
[18:58] <tomreyn> This is CVE-2022-0001 and CVE-2022-0002. For reference, https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.html#unprivileged-bpf-disabled - I'm aware mitigation by sysctl is possible.
[18:58] <tomreyn> hmm sorry about the spam
[18:59] <tomreyn> ok, i just noticed it's actually set to 2 on latest 20.04 as well, and probably 18.04 as well.
[19:00] <tomreyn> TL;DR: please ignore the above.
[19:08] <sbeattie> tomreyn: 18.04 did not have 2 as default, kernels are going out now to have that be the default going back to 4.4 kernels.
[19:08] <sbeattie> tomreyn: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/BHI has information
[19:09] <tomreyn> sbeattie: nice, thank you.
[20:41] <chiluk> anyone else killing some time checking out the new CVE hotness going around news-cycle https://dirtypipe.cm4all.com/ ?
[20:43] <sarnold> hey chiluk :)
[20:43] <chiluk> hey sarnold long time...
[20:43] <sarnold> chiluk: aye, it's hard to understand just how fast time goes..
[20:43] <chiluk> seriously it's been like 4 years now... I finally stood up IRC again just a few months ago.
[20:44] <chiluk> crap nm ... almost 5 come April.
[20:44] <sarnold> *wow*
[20:44] <sarnold> the last two years have been seriously weird but I think I would have guessed about two, heh
[20:45] <chiluk> sarnold anyhow, are you folks planning a accelerated kernel spin for this or just a livepatch?
[20:46] <chiluk> sarnold... looks like we might be slowly migrating to Ubuntu .. so you might be dropping in more often.
[20:46] <chiluk> s/you/i/
[20:48] <sarnold> chiluk: oh sweet! :) this one's going through the grinder now, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/2022-March/date.html -- usns might be a little bit further away, but it's all in motion
[20:51] <chiluk> sarnold if I hadn't told you Congrats on the promotion.
[20:52] <chiluk> sarnold what is usns?
[20:52] <sarnold> chiluk: heh, maybe someone else? I haven't gone up for a promotion since we introduced an engineering progression track
[20:53] <chiluk> I thought you managed the kernel team now.
[20:53] <sarnold> chiluk: sorry, just lazy; USNs  :) www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[20:53] <sarnold> ah, thankfully no :) still Just A Guy on the security team
[20:53] <chiluk> well congrats on not joining the dark side.
[20:54] <sarnold> :D
[20:54] <chiluk> when was the last time you heard of a darker side than the security team... ;)
[20:55] <sarnold> every time The Spreadsheet is mentioned I get goosebumps..
[20:55] <chiluk> I'm thankful I don't even know what that is.
[20:56] <chiluk> or at least I've long forgotten.
[20:59] <sarnold> sounds good man, sounds good :)