[00:14] <sergiusens> cprov is this hooked up already? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1619819 https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1619818
[00:14] <mup> Bug #1619819: It is possible to release a devel snap to candidate and stable <store> <Snapcraft:New> <Software Center Agent:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619819>
[00:14] <mup> Bug #1619818: Error when trying to push and release a snap with devel grade <store> <Snapcraft:New> <Software Center Agent:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619818>
[00:16] <cprov> sergiusens: grade is fully supported by current SCA & CRT
[00:16] <cprov> sergiusens: I have to check 19
[00:18] <cprov> sergiusens: right, 18 is something else as elopio pointed in the last comment
[00:20] <cprov> sergiusens: just checked the code, the release endpoint needs update to restrict channels according to grade :-/
[00:23] <elopio> cprov: yes, I updated 18. Sorry about that.
[00:25] <cprov> elopio: no problem, thanks for playing with it and discovering 19. Michael Nelson (our man in the future) will tackle this his early Monday and we will release the fix on SCA until Monday EOD
[00:25] <cprov> it will probably require some publishing cleanup <sigh/>
[00:28] <elopio> Autralians are amazing
[01:03] <sergiusens> cprov elopio no rush, this won't make it to -updates until late Monday/early Tuesday
[09:21] <zyga> anyone interested in a code review for snap-confine?
[09:26] <eldarkg> hello guys. how to use in cmake config flags variable $SNAP_VERSION?
[09:28] <Son_Goku> zyga: ?
[09:32] <Son_Goku> zyga, what do you need reviewed?
[10:06] <zyga> Son_Goku: hey, I need some help on this one https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/123
[10:06] <mup> PR snap-confine#123: Add mountinfo module <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/123>
[10:06] <zyga> Son_Goku: sosrry for the lag, I was busy writing and dind't notice I didn't paste URL initially
[10:07] <zyga> eldarkg: I don't know about that, what are you trying to achieve?
[10:08] <eldarkg> zyga: I want to compile app with set to him $SNAP_VERSION value
[10:08] <zyga> eldarkg: for informative purpose?
[10:10] <eldarkg> zyga: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1619877
[10:10] <mup> Bug #1619877: $SNAP_VERSION is empty when I set cmake vars <version> <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619877>
[10:12] <zyga> eldarkg: $SNAP_VERSION is set at runtime
[10:13] <eldarkg> zyga: can I to define user variables in a snapcraft file?
[10:16] <zyga> eldarkg: the plan is to allow that, it relies on a set of bits to be in place, I don't remember if this is all available from snapcraft all the way to snap-confine
[10:16] <zyga> eldarkg: I think it might have gone live this week
[10:16]  * zyga was busy under the hood
[10:16] <eldarkg> zyga: ok. thank you
[10:17] <zyga> eldarkg: but $SNAP_VERSION is set by snappy automatically
[10:17] <zyga> eldarkg: based on the version field from snapcraft.yaml
[10:17] <eldarkg> zyga: ok
[10:18] <Son_Goku> zyga, I don't see anything nuts about your PR
[10:22] <zyga> Son_Goku: thanks
[10:53] <mup> Bug #1619888 opened: Snap should be able to run chown <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619888>
[11:39] <mup> PR snapd#1842 opened: asserts: don't have Add/Check panic in the face of unsupported no-authority assertions <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1842>
[12:02] <mup> PR snapd#1843 opened: snap: switch to the new agreed regexp for snap names <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1843>
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#1842 closed: asserts: don't have Add/Check panic in the face of unsupported no-authority assertions <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1842>
[12:56] <eldarkg> zyga: how to do that snap app can to list FS tree?
[12:59] <zyga> eldarkg: hmm, that depends on what you mean
[12:59] <eldarkg> zyga: https://github.com/eldarkg/kicad-snap/issues/7
[13:00] <zyga> eldarkg: use the home interface for this snap, when connected it will grant access to most of the users home directory
[13:00] <eldarkg> zyga: home interface used
[13:02] <eldarkg> zyga: app is using files that contributed from snap tree ($SNAP/usr/share/kicad)
[13:11] <zyga> eldarkg: I don't think I know what the problem is
[13:12] <eldarkg> zyga: how resolve this?
[13:27] <zyga> eldarkg: the home interface gives access to /home/$LOGNAME
[13:27] <zyga> eldarkg: the $HOME variable is redirected so that might fool some applications (it points to snap-private home)
[13:28] <zyga> eldarkg: I don't know what you mean when you talk about $SNAP/usr/share/kicad
[13:28] <zyga> eldarkg: is this one or separate multiple issues?
[13:29] <eldarkg> zyga: I want to take access to $SNAP file system to read and to list content
[13:31] <zyga> eldarkg: can you be more specific? which location do you want to access
[13:32] <eldarkg> zyga: content like footprints, 3d models, libraries of components, demos
[13:32] <eldarkg> zyga: to $SNAP/usr/share
[13:34] <zyga> eldarkg: that directory is available by defautl
[13:36] <eldarkg> zyga: https://github.com/eldarkg/kicad-snap/issues/8
[13:37] <zyga> eldarkg: can you add some kind of information to the bug report?
[13:38] <zyga> eldarkg: I don't understand how you determine that something is denied
[13:38] <zyga> eldarkg: do you get an apparmor denial?
[13:38] <zyga> eldarkg: the $SNAP directory is typically /snap/$SNAP_NAME/$SNAP_REVISION
[13:38] <zyga> eldarkg: so the data you are after is in /snap/kicad-dev-snap/$SNAP_REVISION/usr/share
[13:39] <eldarkg> zyga: isn't accessible from gui? see previous issue link
[13:39] <zyga> eldarkg: the gui is a part of the application,
[13:40] <zyga> eldarkg: snappy has no influence over that
[13:41] <mup> PR snapd#1820 closed: many: start services only after the snap is fully ready (link-snap was run) <Critical> <Reviewed> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1820>
[13:42] <eldarkg> zyga: How I can to do that app works correctly?
[13:42] <zyga> eldarkg: I don't know much about kicad, perhaps you can work with kicad developers on this
[13:43] <eldarkg> zyga: ok. Maybe I can to list files from '/' (root)?
[13:46] <zyga> eldarkg: yes, you should be
[13:48] <eldarkg> zyga: why next? snapd-hacker-toolbelt sh;  ls / . Message: ls: can't open '/': Permission denied
[13:48] <zyga> eldarkg: hmm, interesting
[13:49] <zyga> eldarkg: that may be the cause of some of the things you saw
[13:49] <zyga> eldarkg: does kicad snap work better in devmode?
[13:49] <eldarkg> zyga: sorry snapd-hacker-toolbelt.busybox sh
[13:50] <eldarkg> zyga: I don't check this in devmode.
[13:51] <eldarkg> zyga: wait. I am trying
[13:55] <eldarkg> zyga: Yes kicad in --devmode works fine but it isn't what I want. I want that snap app works in strict confine
[13:58] <qengho> eldarkg: in devmode, it should permit but log your apps missteps in syslog in /var/log/ .
[14:00] <qengho> eldarkg: Though, working in devmode and not in strict sounds like it is probably some syscall that is not allowed, unless you have another kicad installed from another package like deb.
[14:01] <eldarkg> qengho: Sep  3 17:00:13 EP43-DS3L kernel: [30646.624140] audit: type=1400 audit(1472911213.426:1200): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.snapd-hacker-toolbelt.busybox" name="/" pid=31164 comm="busybox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[14:02] <eldarkg> qengho: snap app in strict mode doesn't accesible to '/' (root)
[14:03] <eldarkg> qengho: only in $SNAP
[14:04] <eldarkg> zyga: I go away to ~1 hour. If you found some info ping me
[14:04] <qengho> eldarkg: with devmode, it should (?!) still warn. What else does it warn about?
[14:05] <eldarkg> qengho: see my previous msg to you. I use $ snapd-hacker-toolbelt.busybox sh; $ ls /
[14:07] <qengho> eldarkg: Yeah. But that is not your app. I want to make sure you're asking for what you really want, and not what you think is a path to the answer.
[14:08] <qengho> Tell us you want your car tire changed. Don't ask where we keep the screwdrivers.
[14:11] <eldarkg> qengho: see https://github.com/eldarkg/kicad-snap/issues/7. I go away
[14:16] <zyga> eldarkg: I'm debugging a few things in snapd
[14:16] <zyga> eldarkg: but not related to this
[15:11] <mup> PR snapd#1844 opened: tests: adjust test setup after ubuntu user removal <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1844>
[15:39] <mup> PR snapd#1844 closed: tests: adjust test setup after ubuntu user removal <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1844>
[15:41] <eldarkg> qengho: Do you see?
[15:49] <mup> Bug #1619928 opened: snap app: access denied: list a FS tree <access> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619928>
[17:24] <mup> PR snapd#1843 closed: snap: switch to the new agreed regexp for snap names <Created by pedronis> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1843>


[13:17] <ubuntu-rs-vesti> Nvidia Boot Agent - Obaveštenje : http://forum.ubuntu-rs.org/Thread-nvidia-boot-agent-obavestenje
[13:42] <temp981> hi. how complete is ubuntu-rs translation to serbian?
[13:45] <bitlord> temp981, please rephrase your question and try again.
[13:46] <temp981> Right. is Ubuntu-Rs a Linux distro? if yes, does it display *any* English at any point in installation or when user runs/uses it?
[13:47] <temp981> I need to recommend a Linux distro for a non-English speaker :|
[13:47] <bitlord> temp981, ubuntu-rs is not a distribution it's a Serbian community around Ubuntu distribution (and I think it's official)
[13:47] <temp981> ah. ok. Thanks :)
[13:49] <temp981> Is the standard ubuntu distro actually any good then in terms of translations to RS? I'll be downloading the latest iso later and booting it up in RS (not that i'll undertand it all).
[13:51] <temp981> or if I can put it differently, if you are a native serbian speaker here, have you found that using Ubuntu with the RS localisation is acutally usable and no english is shown?
[13:52] <bitlord> I don't use it localized, but I think support for Serbian language in ubuntu is OK (every program which is translated upstream to Serbian, should work fine)
[13:53] <temp981> so it's as I suspected. there's translations, but to be 100% sure all translations are there, one has to test all apps / wizards / aspects of the UI :)
[13:54] <bitlord> I think most of default installed apps are translated, but not every in the repo, so no 100% Serbian support
[13:54] <temp981> are the terminal emulators also translated? man pages etc? (i'm partly bi-lingual, can speak SHJ, but primarily english)
[13:55] <bitlord> As I already mentioned, I'm not using localized version, so not sure about that, but I think if the application is translated it's probably 100% done, so man pages should be covered I think.
[13:57] <temp981> Ok. I'll also play around with it for a bit. Thanks a lot for your time, bitlord :)


[14:47] <gour> hello, i'm linux user for >20yrs and used many distros (gentoo, arch, suse, fedora, debian) but spent vey little time with ubuntu...as i'm getting older i want to have less tweaking with the system and i'm not doing much development (web web stuff) and lot of writing, taking notes etc. at the moment i run debian/sidx/xfce, but wonder that xubuntu might be a better choice offering (still) fresh packages, but more stable than sid and less admin overhead
[14:47] <gour> any thoughts?
[14:49]  * gour is dl-ing 21.04 release to try it out
[17:16] <diogenes_> gour: with flatpaks, appimages and snaps, you can have up-to-date software even on Debian stable.
[17:17] <diogenes_> But Xubuntu to s awesome.
[17:17] <diogenes_> Is*
[17:33] <gour> diogenes_: ok, thanks for the input, although i'd prefer not to depende too much on containers...what would be main difference between sid and xubuntu?
[17:44] <diogenes_> gour: well Ubuntu is focused on making a desktop OS as simple as possible for everybody with everything set up, customized and ready to run out of the box + paying attention to the look and feel, they tweak some packages to get maximum simplicity and give less headache for users who just want to have everything set up for them, one random example would be the udev package in Xubuntu and Debian, in Xubuntu you get to see and interract with all netwvork
[17:44] <diogenes_> shares (including windows ones) right out of the box in thunar, i've tried to achieve the same result on Debian and failed.
[17:45] <diogenes_> Network*
[18:18] <gour> diogenes_: heh, i can find my way in debian, but it requires time and i'm getting bored to take care about all the details...so, yes, i might try xubuntu, first on my spare machine - old netbook to get a feeling


[10:05] <Mamarok> wxl: not a bug, that is on purpose. Removing Alt+F1 is a bad idea
[10:10] <Mamarok> wxl: if you want to modify anything there, you should use this: https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tips#Windows.2FMeta_Key
[12:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[22:27] <wxl> Mamarok: thanks. i would have never found that info XD


[00:01] <passstab> when did voteing end on the logo?
[00:02] <jedijf> saturday
[00:02] <jedijf> so it's thin for the win
[00:02] <jedijf> including the ml vote for thick
[00:04] <passstab> is there a sandbox?
[00:04] <passstab> so i can test the html(that i'm new to;)?
[00:11] <jedijf> preview?
[00:11] <jedijf> create a page
[00:11] <jedijf> you are team reporter, do whatever you need to
[00:20] <passstab> nvm
[00:24] <InHisName> Hey you are using the baseball metaphor before my 'hey batter batter comment'
[00:25] <passstab> ...
[00:37] <passstab> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiSandBox
[00:38] <passstab> what is wrong with the bottum two lines?
[00:43] <InHisName> The material on this wiki is available under a free license, see Copyright / License for details.    This is bottom one, I don't see anything wrong with it.
[00:43] <passstab> the bottum towo lines
[00:44] <passstab> are obviosly wrong
[00:45] <jedijf> passstab: just look at our existing wiki pages
[00:45] <jedijf> passstab: you're over thinking
[00:46] <passstab> ok
[00:46] <jedijf> hit edit on a page in pa that does what you want
[00:47] <passstab> ahh
[00:47] <passstab> i assumed it was html
[00:47] <passstab> :P
[00:49] <jedijf> passstab: i have found wiki's say they have some level of html supprot, but my html never works/worked
[01:09] <passstab> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/TeamReports/12/march
[01:09] <passstab> goot?
[01:11] <teddy-dbear> ego trips can be a good thing
[01:12] <passstab> yes i WAS going to get rid of that
[01:15] <teddy-dbear> leave it, it shows a sense of humor
[01:17] <passstab> now to decide on the headline
[01:17] <jedijf> passstab: leave the last line; you earned it
[01:19] <passstab> meh ok
[01:26] <passstab> there i think thats good
[01:26] <passstab> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/TeamReports/12/march
[01:29] <jedijf> passstab: current it up
[01:29] <passstab> not til the end of the moth tho right?
[01:30] <jedijf> passstab: March not march,
[01:31] <pleia2> renaming the page is easy, in the dropdown you can select "Rename Page"
[01:32] <pleia2> once you switch it to March it'll be automagically included on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/March2012
[01:33] <passstab> thanks
[01:35] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/March2012#Pennsylvania_Team
[01:35] <pleia2> and there it is :D
[01:36] <jedijf> passstab: awesome work; you're hired
[01:41] <passstab> :D
[03:00] <waltman> Why is March 19 a historic date?
[06:56] <InHisName> Maybe because a team report got produced completely on that date.
[09:45] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:47] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:47] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:48] <rmg51> o/
[12:34] <jedijf> waltman: because pa now has a Team Reporter \o/
[12:34] <jedijf> now we need do stuff to report
[12:46] <ChinnoDog> Isn't that backwards? hehe
[12:46] <ChinnoDog> Seems like you should start with stuff to report and then get a reporter.
[12:47] <jedijf> we /had/ stuff to report
[12:47] <jedijf> bugjam
[12:47] <jedijf> that you stayed in dc and snubbed us
[12:47] <jedijf> studying or some nonsense
[12:48] <waltman> jedijf: I see...
[12:50] <InHisName> Does he get to report individual actions, such as Clarke_ installing ubuntu into guest ?
[12:52] <jedijf> no, that's not a PA event, that was a pacs event
[12:53] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[13:15] <adom> morning
[13:23] <andrew> still?
[13:31] <ChinnoDog> for a little while
[13:31] <InHisName> what I meant was, can an individual of the PA local who does something for themselves and not combined with others (team activities) will it still count for reporting ?
[13:32] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: nearly 2.5 hours is WAY bigger than a 'little' while.
[13:38] <adom> is there anything aptitude or apt-get can do that has to do with cows besides "apt-get moo"? a buddy is asking.
[13:38] <adom> and yes, its still morning
[13:39] <adom> i wake up later, but i work later. leave here around 3:30 today, work job #2 5pm - 10ish
[14:02] <aurigus> hey all
[14:09] <InHisName> so, adom, what does 'moo' supposed to do after apt-get'ting it ?
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> hello
[14:11] <aurigus> anyone have familiar with chef-server?
[15:14] <adom> do "apt-get moo" in a terminal
[15:14] <EvilResistance> lol?
[15:15] <adom> InHisName: ping ^
[15:17] <InHisName> Like, do I REALLY want to install 'moo' ?
[15:17] <adom> not "apt-get install moo" just "apt-get moo"
[15:18] <adom> safe. promise.
[15:18] <InHisName> what good is that ?
[15:18] <EvilResistance> just do it xD
[15:19] <JonathanD> It deleted my machine!
[15:19] <JonathanD> Now the internet is missing!
[15:19] <InHisName> apt-get moo   -- deleted your machine ???!!??
[15:19] <EvilResistance> now your system is a cannibal zombie, and will eat your other systems and you!
[15:19] <adom> not again
[15:19] <JonathanD> and it made the internet go away!
[15:19] <InHisName> JonathanD: so how are you typing if internet gone ?
[15:20] <JonathanD> Someone send me an internet please.
[15:20] <JonathanD> InHisName: I'm using the other internet.
[15:20] <JonathanD> The one with the dog.
[15:20] <JonathanD> InHisName: I'm kidding.  I take it you've never done tech support for parents? :P
[15:20] <adom> that's the fun one
[18:12] <cythes> Harro Ubuntu users!!
[18:12] <cythes> http://akollar.tumblr.com/post/19619716882/i-need-caffeine-i-know-it-sexy-and-i-know-it-spoof  <-- I wrote this if anyone wants to hit it up :D
[18:40] <aurigus> hey cythes
[18:41] <cythes> aurigus: Sup man!
[18:41] <aurigus> same ole, you?
[18:42] <cythes> Not much... spent half the night writing up that spoof lol
[18:42] <cythes> There are a few things I need to edit lol
[18:43] <cythes> But over all it was fun coming up with a nerdy spoof of it lol
[18:43] <aurigus> nice
[18:44] <aurigus> have you considered a career as a songwriter?
[18:44] <cythes> Yeah lol, I was inspired by the guy who did the spoof of "Bad Touch" at OSCON last year lol
[18:45] <cythes> Actually I do like to write poetry
[18:45] <cythes> But I would not consider a careere in it.
[18:45] <cythes> That whole site is comprised of my poetry feel free to look through lol
[18:46] <cythes> I'm sure there are errors all in all but its just something I do.
[18:46] <passstab> will you record that?
[18:48] <cythes> passstab: I wish lol but I know some one who might lol
[18:48] <aurigus> i dont really read poetry as a rule
[18:49] <cythes> Meh it was worth a shot lol
[18:55] <cythes> I started thinking about it last night and was just like "OH MY GAWD THAT WORKS!!" 4:00am I was on the blog making the "Pre-Final" version of it.
[19:01] <aurigus> heh
[19:01] <aurigus> i remember the days when i could stay up until 4 :P
[19:12] <cythes> I still do every so often.
[19:34] <passstab> nice poems
[19:35]  * passstab adds the rss
[19:41] <cythes> passstab: Thanks :D
[19:42] <cythes> I dont write often but when I do I write semi decient :D
[19:52] <MobileTurkey> dhsakvgfjdjajcksjcjd
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> Lenovo jerked me around on the laptop
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> "so opening and closing your laptop Los doesn't fall under normal usage?"
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> "no, sorry its not covered "
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> "that'll be $250 dollars to fix"
[19:54] <MobileTurkey> "kiss my ..   I just stayed cool and kept saying 'i am looking at my warranty now,  Its clearly covered " and trying to reason ...
[19:58] <MobileTurkey> "no"
[19:58] <MobileTurkey> rjajdjvkf RAHHHHHHH
[19:59] <MobileTurkey> :(
[20:00] <MobileTurkey> jedijf:good idea except modifying my laptop voids the warranty completely
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> rage
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> time to start a Lenovo smear campaign
[20:09] <aurigus> Just write one of their VPs directly
[20:09] <aurigus> what is the issue you are seeing?
[20:11] <cythes> MobileTurkey: Wow that sounds rough... in other news I started writing again!
[20:12] <MobileTurkey> vps? aurigus: ill upload photo's tomorrow when its back
[20:12] <cythes> MobileTurkey: Vice Prez
[20:13] <MobileTurkey> wat
[20:13] <cythes> Vice president... you know companies tend to have them?
[20:14] <aurigus> just send them your photos and a copy of the warranty, instead of reading they will pass on to their service supervisors who'll just say fix the thing to shut you up
[20:15] <MobileTurkey> will it work? sounds legit
[20:20] <cythes> Usually it works like that.
[20:22] <MobileTurkey> thbbbbbt


[05:51] <didrocks> good morning
[05:54] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:54] <didrocks> hey pitti
[06:17] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti & desktopers
[06:18] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:19] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:22] <willcooke> morning all
[07:22] <willcooke> Ballot spoiling day \o/
[07:23] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:24] <didrocks> hey willcooke, happy voting!
[08:04] <Laney> hey hey!
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:05] <Laney> GREAT
[08:05] <Laney> i just put an X in a box
[08:05] <Laney> actually 4 boxes
[08:06] <seb128> X?
[08:06] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32618577
[08:07] <seb128> oh
[08:07] <seb128> why 4 boxes?
[08:08] <Laney> local elections are happening too
[08:08] <Laney> we have 3 people for that
[08:08] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:08] <Laney> heeeeeeeeeeeey didrocks
[08:09] <Laney> how are you seb128 & didrocks?
[08:09] <Laney> spring is back today
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, good, watching some UOS sessions I couldn't attend to yesterday
[08:09] <Laney> nice
[08:09] <seb128> content-hub & gsettings ones
[08:09] <willcooke> Laney, did you watch Charlie Brooker last night?
[08:09] <seb128> weather is changing here
[08:09] <Laney> I got a notification on my phone about a content hub demo
[08:09] <Laney> no idea why
[08:09] <didrocks> Laney: good weather as well here
[08:10] <Laney> willcooke: nope, was out eating sushi
[08:10] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, seems Ken invited the world to the session :)
[08:10] <Laney> worth iplayering?
[08:10] <willcooke> Laney, if you like his stuff, yes - certainly is
[08:10] <didrocks> didn't yet, will do
[08:11] <Laney> I heard there was a thing on BBC4 which was two hours of footage of a canal boat going along
[08:11]  * Laney wants to watch this
[08:11] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05t7kc1/all-aboard-the-canal-trip
[08:11] <willcooke> Laney, yes!  I read it got twice as many viewers than normal at that slot
[08:12] <Laney> we went on a canal boat holiday last year
[08:12] <Laney> totally on board with this
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, are you working on merging/updating rhythmbox (I think I saw some commits going by)
[08:17] <Laney> just got this:
[08:17] <Laney> Subject: rhythmbox_3.2.1-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable
[08:17] <Laney> so, yup
[08:17] <seb128> going to do the merge for Ubuntu as well then?
[08:18] <seb128> Laney, in which case please include https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1452542
[08:18] <seb128> or maybe we should just stop building that plugin
[08:20] <Laney> hmm
[08:20] <Laney> probably makes sense
[08:21] <Laney> larsu: yo, you around? fancy casting a look over bug
[08:21] <Laney> SIGH
[08:21] <Laney> bug #1447224 ?
[08:21] <Laney> it's menu related :-)
[08:22] <seb128> could be a Trevinho thing as well
[08:22] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[08:22] <Laney> no
[08:22] <Laney> well
[08:22] <Laney> I think it is our traditional menubar patch being wrong
[08:22] <seb128> seems simular to bug #1435348
[08:22] <seb128> but maybe similar bugs in the different toolkit implementations
[08:23] <seb128> or maybe a bug in the indicator...
[08:23] <larsu> Laney: cool bug
[08:24] <larsu> I'll have a look
[08:24] <larsu> also, good morning everyone
[08:24] <Laney> hey!
[08:24] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:24] <larsu> good, good. Found a *very* nice flat yesterday
[08:24] <larsu> hoping we'll get it
[08:24] <seb128> hey larsu! wie gehts?
[08:25] <larsu> seb128: great! (see above ;) )
[08:25] <larsu> how are you guzs
[08:25] <seb128> larsu, oh, another nice one? ;-)
[08:25] <Laney> awesome
[08:26] <larsu> :)
[08:27] <Laney> is it in a good location?
[08:31] <larsu> Laney: yes! Next to a park in Neukölln. Actually close to where dholbach lives
[08:31] <larsu> we don't have it yet though
[08:31] <larsu> applied for it last night
[08:32] <ochosi> good luck then! :)
[08:33] <larsu> thanks
[08:33] <ochosi> i presume the park is not hasenheide?
[08:33] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gtk/lp1444174/+merge/256311 is also something you might want to merge in?
[08:34] <larsu> oh, isn't that already in?
[08:34] <seb128> larsu, dunno, the mp is not set as merged
[08:35] <Laney> not for the SRU, but will be for W
[08:35] <larsu> can I W yet or is it too early?
[08:36] <Laney> W exists
[08:36]  * Laney is a happy W user
[08:37]  * seb128 too
[08:37] <seb128> not a lot of changes yet though
[08:37] <Laney> nope I didn't break all your scrollbars yet
[08:38] <didrocks> oh session-migration patches, nice!
[08:38] <seb128> :-)
[08:38] <larsu> Laney: yes you did (I'm on ww)
[08:38] <Laney> oh man ww, all bets are off
[08:40] <seb128> Laney, larsu, speaking of scrollbars, just though about that ... do you know how is unity7/dash using those, and what happens once we update gtk? does the dash get gtk scrollbars for free? does it keep using o-s through some hack?
[08:42] <larsu> seb128: it uses its own thing. Doesn't even listen to the gsettings key
[08:42] <Laney> I think it probably does it via nux & doesn't use o-s at all
[08:42] <Laney> or some other own thing
[08:42] <Laney> (still works here)
[08:42] <seb128> k, good
[08:43] <didrocks> yeah, it's a nux widget
[08:44] <seb128> I was unsure if they would d/l open, reuse some of the components
[08:44] <seb128> if not, good
[08:44] <Laney> Trevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lyx/+bug/1430059 is similar to the above and is for you (you got assigned), please look
[08:44] <seb128> dlopen even
[08:44] <didrocks> the assets are in /usr/share/nux/4.0/UITextures/
[08:44]  * didrocks patched that in a past life :p
[08:44] <seb128> we should perhaps change that implementation to look like the new GTK one?
[08:44] <Laney> you nuxpert
[08:45] <seb128> or is GTK going to look similar to o-s?
[08:45] <didrocks> Laney: unfortunately, I know too much about nux I would ever have like :p
[08:45] <Laney> hopefully we'll theme it to look similar
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: changing assets is fine and easy (just generate tga files), changing size and behavior… I would say we shouldn't as everything is absolutely positionned
[08:46] <larsu> Laney, seb128: we can, but we won't get the out-of-window experience
[08:46] <didrocks> and so, we can enter a world of pain, knowing that nux isn't going to be the way forward
[08:47] <Laney> sure
[08:47] <seb128> right, at the same time we can't degrade the unity7 user experience too much
[08:47] <seb128> it's still going to be the dev desktop for the next LTS
[08:48] <larsu> indeed. I'll have a patch for you guys to look at soon
[08:48]  * larsu is still struggling with some transparency issues
[08:49] <didrocks> if we found someone working on it, good, just be aware that it's not going to be trivial and we can get a bunch of regressions which is degrading the user experience
[08:50] <didrocks> so don't count on that being just a week hack
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks, don't underestimate Trevinho :-)
[08:51] <seb128> he knows that code, he wrote it, I'm sure he could do tweaks in a week
[08:53] <didrocks> let's see :)
[08:54] <didrocks> (I still think we degrade more the user experience by not having the same scrollbar in our default set of apps)
[08:55] <seb128> degrade requires to start from a situation and lower it
[08:55] <seb128> which we don't have today
[08:56] <seb128> so we don't really degrade anything on the apps front
[08:56] <didrocks> well, the o-s in the dash doesn't look like the one in our apps already
[08:56] <didrocks> so how is it degrading?
[08:56] <seb128> the thumb looks identical to me
[08:56] <seb128> so identical that I though they might be dlopening o-s to load the widget
[08:56] <didrocks> ah, you mean the thumb
[08:56] <seb128> yes
[08:56] <didrocks> not the scrollbar itself
[08:56] <seb128> right
[08:57] <didrocks> so, I don't know how the thumb is done
[08:57] <didrocks> it can be a dlopen
[08:57]  * didrocks was talking about the scrollbar only
[08:59] <seb128> I see
[08:59] <seb128> I was speaking about the interactive part of the scrollbars
[08:59] <seb128> I don't find it shocking that the scrollbar/position looks different from apps since the dash looks different from an app
[08:59] <seb128> they have different visual identities
[09:00] <seb128> it would be weird to have a grey gtk scrollbars in a transparent dash
[09:00] <didrocks> I find the thumb out of place though with this dash visual identity
[09:00] <didrocks> you have a grey thumb on top of it (I never use the mouse to interact with it, so didn't notice)
[09:04] <seb128> yeah
[09:06] <didrocks> unity-shared/PlacesOverlayVScrollBar.cpp
[09:06] <didrocks> they are redrawn it seems
[09:08] <seb128> cool
[09:17] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, I saw that bug.
[09:18] <Laney> ok, as long as it is in the pile ;-)
[09:19] <Trevinho> seb128,Laney about that gtk build fix I actually proposed this months ago upstream (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744086) but Ryan never approved it (and neither larsu did) :°(
[09:22] <didrocks> WHAT
[09:22] <didrocks> pep8 is passing there
[09:22] <didrocks> not in utopic…
[09:22] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry about that
[09:22] <larsu> Trevinho: !windows == unix?
[09:22] <larsu> not sure we want that
[09:22] <Trevinho> larsu: in that context it is
[09:22] <Trevinho> larsu: considering that gtk-launch is working in all !unix stuff
[09:23] <Trevinho> err, unix
[09:24] <larsu> Trevinho: gtk-launch doesn't work on windows, does it?
[09:26] <Trevinho> larsu: no, it doesn't... but it's build everywhere else and it does require gio-unix
[09:26] <Trevinho> built
[09:30] <larsu> Trevinho: it does? Makefile.am doesn't mention that and gtk-launch.c has a lot of #ifdef G_OS_UNIX
[09:30] <larsu> I haven't looked in detail, but it looks like I can build it without
[09:31] <Trevinho> larsu: it can't built without gio-unix on unix...
[09:33] <larsu> Trevinho: oh right, it doesn't do HAVE_GIO or whatever
[09:33] <larsu> meh, fine by me
[09:33] <larsu> would get a 2nd opinion from mclasen though
[09:34] <Trevinho> larsu: I asked on #gtk+ some times, no feedback
[09:35] <larsu> Trevinho: I'll put up a review so that we generate some bug mail ;)
[09:36] <Trevinho> :)
[09:36] <Trevinho> thanks
[09:36] <Trevinho> larsu: not sure it merges cleanly right now btw... it has a couple fo months
[09:37] <larsu> Trevinho: it applies, but is missing the have_gio_unix line from the mir backend which was added later. Commenting on that
[09:41]  * Trevinho knew that he had to push to master directly :P
[09:48] <larsu> Trevinho: err don't.
[09:48] <larsu> ;)
[09:48] <Trevinho> larsu: no, I'm a good guy
[09:50] <Trevinho> larsu: how I update a patch with git bz?
[09:51] <larsu> Trevinho: git bz apply <bug nr>; HACK; git commit --amend; git bz attach -e <bug nr> HEAD
[09:51] <larsu> it'll mark the old patch as obsolete if it has the same title
[09:51] <larsu> but drops you in an editor to make those kinds of changes
[09:51] <larsu> bbiab
[09:51] <Trevinho> larsu: yeah, I only missed the last command (I did the first two)..
[13:13] <willcooke> qengho, do you know about this ppa:  https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-beta
[13:13] <willcooke> what's the relationship with our ppa, if any?
[13:14] <willcooke> I also read on the ML that "Widevine loading has been fixed so you can play Netflix on Cr."
[13:14] <willcooke> is that real?!
[13:26] <larsu> don't let desrt know this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11009497/
[13:27] <didrocks> larsu: didn't know we had such a service, nice!
[13:27] <larsu> didrocks: for the timezone completion thing in u-c-c
[13:28] <larsu> didrocks: it's pretty shitty though
[13:28] <didrocks> ah?
[13:28] <larsu> "Toront" gives 0 results
[13:28] <jcastro> hi guys, what package/library handles copy and paste buffers for X? I believe I'm stuck with an out of date package due to PPA adventures and my copy and paste behavior is busted.
[13:28] <larsu> didrocks: "Toronto" 12 or so
[13:29] <didrocks> larsu: how dare you partially name Toronto! It's all or nothing :p
[13:29] <didrocks> what? search completion?
[13:29] <didrocks> ;)
[13:29] <larsu> ya
[13:29] <larsu> so, kind of important to get close names correct
[13:29] <larsu> s/close/partially typed/
[13:52] <seb128> jcastro, unsure, maybe tjaalton can help you
[14:00] <EphraimMB> What does unity 8 look like now for the desktop?
[14:03] <larsu> seb128: do you have the bug number for the datetime completion bug?
[14:03]  * larsu cannot find it
[14:04] <larsu> or Laney?
[14:05] <larsu> I guess we used bug #1440157 for that? (it's slightly different)
[14:05] <seb128> larsu, yeah, that one
[14:06] <Laney> sorry I didn't see it
[14:06] <Laney> looks right
[14:06] <larsu> ok. Who wants to review? :P
[14:07] <larsu> finally got around to finish the patch
[14:07] <larsu> also found the actual issue
[14:08] <Laney> what component is it in?
[14:08] <larsu> timezonemap
[14:08] <larsu> creating the mr right now
[14:08] <Laney> interesting
[14:08] <Laney> thought it was a soup bug
[14:09] <larsu> that's what I thought, but turns out it had a good reason for keeping those connections open:
[14:10] <Laney> k, i'll look soon, have some other MPs from the redhat guy to review too
[14:10] <larsu> the input stream was never closed
[14:10] <Laney> need to arrange to get mail for this
[14:11] <larsu> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/timezonemap/lp1440157/+merge/258506
[14:11] <Laney> nooooooooooooo
[14:11] <Laney> it's libtimezonemap
[14:11] <larsu> why no?
[14:11] <Laney> or is it the other one?
[14:11] <Laney> wait
[14:11] <Laney> there's a bad one and a good one
[14:12] <larsu> well this is the one that u-c-c links against...
[14:12] <Laney> ah no this is the good one
[14:12] <larsu> (I think)
[14:12] <Laney> one's a fork of the other one or something
[14:12] <larsu> ugh
[14:12] <larsu> glad we have our processes down :)
[14:13] <Laney> asked for ev to delete it
[14:13] <larsu> thanks
[14:15] <Laney> will you file a bug on the geoname server about the completion being dodgy?
[14:15] <larsu> sure. Do you know the name of the component?
[14:16] <larsu> there's already bug #1197969
[14:16] <Laney> i think it's https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames
[14:16] <seb128> it is
[14:16] <larsu> ah thanks, I'll add that to the bug report
[14:16] <seb128> there are a few related bugs
[14:16] <Laney> not sure if anyone works on this actively
[14:16] <Laney> so if we want it fixed ...
[14:17] <seb128> e.g https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames/+bug/769166
[14:17] <seb128> or bug #1043843
[15:11] <qengho> Hi all. May I have a sponsor to upload chromium-browser to wily from this PPA? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage
[15:19] <willcooke> qengho, hey - did you see my question from earlier?  Up there ^^ :)
[15:22] <qengho> Er, I heard a beep but didnt see the cause.
[15:23] <willcooke> forgive copy & paste...
 qengho, do you know about this ppa:  https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-beta
 what's the relationship with our ppa, if any?
 I also read on the ML that "Widevine loading has been fixed so you can play Netflix on Cr."
[15:23] <willcooke> * xclaesse_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-desktop
 is that real?!
[15:24] <qengho> willcooke: oh, saikrishna. Yeah, a community member. Does great stuff. There's no strong relationship between his PPA and mine. We trade ideas, except he doesn't have to care about legalities I do. :)
[15:24] <willcooke> gotya
[15:24] <willcooke> So the widevine stuff is not going to meet our Cr any time soon I expect
[15:26] <qengho> willcooke: Right, we probably won't ever be able to distribute widevine without Legal Dept working out the details.
[15:26] <willcooke> thx
[15:26] <seb128> qengho, the upload is a pocket copy right?
[15:26] <qengho> seb128: yes.
[15:26] <seb128> qengho, I can do that
[15:27] <qengho> seb128: thanks!
[15:27] <seb128> qengho, yw!
[15:28] <seb128> qengho, 42.0.2311.135-1ubuntu1.1160 is correct right?
[15:29] <qengho> seb128: Yes. Verified.
[15:30] <seb128> thanks
[15:30] <seb128> copied
[15:30] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/42.0.2311.135-1ubuntu1.1160
[19:45] <willcooke> quittin' time
[19:45] <willcooke> brutal few days.  So day off tomorrow.
[19:45] <willcooke> ta ta


[02:38] <jack_> coxn: im a little late but i saw you're having video troubles. i had the same issues with my nvidia card with the nouveau drivers. disabling them should do hte trick
[02:42] <coxn> jack_: sure did.
[02:42] <coxn> good to hear I'm not crazy. :)
[02:54] <jack_> haha yeah
[02:55] <jack_> i actually had the problem with f12+. im on ubuntu 10.04 and it works fine after activating the nvidia propriatary driver
[21:06] <coxn> okay why doesn't virsh give me a 'dom-create-as'
[21:06] <coxn> there's a 'pool-create-as' and a 'vol-create-as'


[23:24] <peter__> Hi, have come across the following url which seems to have UK channel assignments in correct order, but being a linux noob I have absolutely no idea how to implement. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
[23:24] <peter__> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Channel_Assignments#Combined_FreeView_and_FreeSat_HD_channel_assignment
[23:24] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] UK Channel Assignments - MythTV Official Wiki
[23:27] <peter__> in the last combined discription on the page "I Think" it says to run the following command in terminal, " mysql -uroot -p -h<IP_ADDRESS> --database mythconverg < alter channels.sql" but I get the following error
[23:28] <peter__> "bash: alter-channels.sql: No such file or directory" so pretty sure I am completely misunderstanding everything


[06:23] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro paddatrapper chesedo theblazehen and others
[06:34] <andrewlsd> Morning
[06:34] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[06:34] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[06:35] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos, andrewlsd
[06:45] <dlPhreak> Good morning.
[06:47] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, andrewlsd, paddatrapper, dlPhreak
[06:52] <theblazehen> I probably should write a screen lock script for my desktop. Latest (well, not _latest_, but new) version removed DPMS support
[06:52] <andrewlsd> Hi paddatrapper, theblazehen
[06:52] <theblazehen> And I need it to quit quassel so desktop doesn't read the notifications on desktop and not show laptop
[06:53] <andrewlsd> theblazehen:  write a haskel version of Quassel, call it Hassel
[06:53] <andrewlsd> with ascii-art of David Hasselhof.
[06:53] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: heh.
[06:53] <andrewlsd> ... Hassel: never log hoff.
[06:53] <Kilos> chores wbb
[06:54] <theblazehen> Hmm. Smuxi does vertical channel list too
[06:54] <theblazehen> Might consider it
[06:55] <paddatrapper> Hey theblazehen, dlPhreak
[07:08] <christol> Hi
[07:23] <christol> apt upgrade today = fun
[07:26] <magespawn> good morning
[07:31] <theblazehen> hi christol, magespawn, Symmetria
[07:35] <Squirm> Morning
[07:56] <christol> hi Squirm
[07:56] <Kilos> hi christol magespawn Squirm
[07:56] <christol> hello
[08:04] <Kilos> nice to see you back christol
[08:05] <christol> yes. Had a catastrophic laptop failure.
[08:06] <christol> forgot my charger at the office
[08:06] <christol> :(
[08:06] <Kilos> ai!
[08:08] <christol> but i use linux on my laptop, so i was ok.
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:47]  * theblazehen gets around https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/jlg0izsl.jpeg <- that long when accessing laptop over ssh
[08:47] <theblazehen> No power saving tools either
[08:57] <andrewlsd> `alias au="apt-get update`
[08:57] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: https://xkcd.com/1654/ close enough?
[08:59] <andrewlsd> lol.
[08:59] <andrewlsd> I'd prefer some ||  to be used.
[09:00] <andrewlsd> but that is the general idea.
[09:03] <theblazehen> I'd say replace the '&' with ';'. If we're going with bad ideas, why not make sure you have the latest version of the software?
[09:04] <theblazehen> 3rd last line needs to use && at the end though
[09:04] <magellanic> hmm, does that xkcd cover the new snappy package thingy :p
[09:05] <magellanic> heya andrewlsd
[09:05] <theblazehen> hey magellanic.
[09:05] <magellanic> anyone played with the snaps stuff, looks interesting
[09:05] <magellanic> heya theblazehen
[09:05] <andrewlsd> hi magellanic
[09:05] <theblazehen> Nope. Nor appimage, or what are they calling it now? flatpak?
[09:06] <andrewlsd> .... appimage I've used. Seems to work the best (as in, it runs)
[09:06] <andrewlsd> ... appimage has not sandboxing built in.... but I just run them via firejail instead.
[09:07] <andrewlsd> omgubuntu.co.uk had a couple of posts about snaps.
[09:08] <andrewlsd> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/snap-package-of-vlc-player-daily-build
[09:08]  * theblazehen remembers https://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[09:20]  * andrewlsd also remembers TurnKeyLinux
[09:21] <andrewlsd> 80MB of daily VLC snap downloaded...
[09:21] <andrewlsd> out of 110MB
[09:23] <theblazehen> Wow. That's huge
[09:36] <christol> Does anybody know of any Linux conferences in the near future arround gauteng?
[09:37] <theblazehen> christol: how near?
[09:38] <christol> :)
[09:38] <christol> August September
[09:39] <theblazehen> christol: 17 september?
[09:40] <theblazehen> Software freedom day
[09:41] <christol> 17th is good.
[09:52] <christol> we should have defcon sometime.
[09:54] <theblazehen> christol: That would be neat
[09:54] <theblazehen> I wonder what I'd contract if I brought my laptop and phone along
[09:55] <christol> hags - like my brother says.
[09:55] <christol> if i had the money, i would defnatly do one in JHB.
[09:56] <christol> i'll call it christocon!!!
[09:56] <christol> lol
[09:56] <theblazehen> heh
[09:56] <theblazehen> Would you risk going there with laptop etc?
[09:57] <christol> not a laptop, but maybe a burner phone??
[09:58] <theblazehen> Hmm. And chuck it when you leave?
[09:58] <christol> no, i'll give it to someone, i do not like :o
[10:01] <theblazehen> heh
[10:02] <ra1v3n> how does one get a Burner phone in SA
[10:02] <christol> CNA
[10:03] <ra1v3n> AppImage is awesome especially for getting something ancient to run on a newer distro
[10:03] <ra1v3n> CNA
[10:03] <ra1v3n> really
[10:03] <ra1v3n> I thought you had to RICA a sim .....
[10:03] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: You do
[10:04] <christol> yes only the sim, phone differant story...
[10:04] <theblazehen> Or wait
[10:04] <theblazehen> Yeah, was gonna say that
[10:04] <ra1v3n> well then its not exactly a burner now is it
[10:04] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: How so?
[10:04] <christol> sure
[10:04] <theblazehen> Well, I guess govt can track you
[10:04] <ra1v3n> your Identity will be linked to the sim
[10:05] <theblazehen> But not others
[10:05] <ra1v3n> lol
[10:05] <andrewlsd> +1 ra1v3n (re appimage + newer distro)
[10:05]  * theblazehen is gonna install GNU/Linux on a phone. Wonder what they'd do with that :) (ty andrewlsd!)
[10:06] <ra1v3n> I have Cyanogen and tiny Linux on my old P100
[10:06] <christol> nice, theblazehen.
[10:06] <christol> linux on everything
[10:06]  * theblazehen wonders which distro. Perhaps debian
[10:06] <theblazehen> Binary packages
[10:06]  * andrewlsd has linux on his toaster.
[10:06] <andrewlsd> (not really)
[10:06] <theblazehen> Or gentoo, more packages because of source, and distcc
[10:07] <theblazehen> http://www.bbspot.com/news/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html
[10:07] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: how long to compile a kernel on the 1Ghz arm processor with 512MB ram?
[10:07] <christol> arch??
[10:07] <christol> two years - andrewlsd
[10:07] <ra1v3n> lmao
[10:08] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Well, gonna be hitting flash a lot. 3 hours on an x86_64 atom single core with hyperthreading at 1.6GHz, 2 GB RAM and a 5400 RPM HDD. That was back in 2012 though
[10:08] <theblazehen> Maybe if I use nfs/nbd
[10:08] <theblazehen> or iSCSI
[10:08] <andrewlsd> lol. iSCSI over Wifi.
[10:08] <theblazehen> I think you _can_ use swap over iscsi..
[10:08] <andrewlsd> or iSCSI over USB.
[10:08] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Nah. USB Gadget
[10:09] <theblazehen> Run it as usbnet or rndis
[10:09] <theblazehen> Put swap on a ramdisk over network
[10:09] <theblazehen> Hmm. Wifi and usb
[10:10] <theblazehen> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit wanna do this sometime
[10:10] <theblazehen> > This results in a maximum bandwidth of about 300 kilobytes per second.
[10:11] <theblazehen> If storage is 200 KB/s, why even bother with the RAM?
[10:13] <christol> theblazehen -- you could show us your project at christocon.
[10:14] <theblazehen> christol: Heh. yeah
[10:14]  * theblazehen needs to get a reverse proxy set up on dedicated server
[10:14] <theblazehen> Got stuff I want to write for blog.
[10:14] <theblazehen> Home saltstack setup
[10:14] <theblazehen> Finding security bug in http://rocket.chat
[10:14] <theblazehen> And other things I forgot
[10:15] <theblazehen> And phone thing. Yeah
[10:15]  * theblazehen will hopefully break https://github.com/Seitanas/kvm-vdi/ today also
[10:16] <theblazehen> Well, it's already broken I think
[10:16] <theblazehen> Just need to use it
[10:16] <theblazehen> How do people not see these security bugs... So easy, ffs!
[10:16] <theblazehen> Literally found it withing 4 min of looking for security stuff
[10:16] <theblazehen> And 6 min of looking at general code
[10:18] <christol> have you looked at X2Go for your VDI
[10:19] <theblazehen> christol: I've used it, ran primary pc with it
[10:19] <theblazehen> Virtualized pc on an i3-2100 with IIRC 16 GB RAM
[10:20] <christol> nice
[10:20] <theblazehen> connected with netbook mentioned earlier
[10:20] <theblazehen> Depending on wifi link it was either good performance or a little bit better than running on the netbook itself
[10:20] <theblazehen> good=4mbit, little better = 2 mbit/s
[10:25]  * theblazehen should probably get some sleep some time... Those sleep deprivation headaches are fun
[10:26] <christol> sleep is good
[10:28] <theblazehen> It's good, yes. But it's really annoying when you're trying to get stuff done
[10:29]  * theblazehen finds 5-7 hours on week days, 10 on friday night, 8 on saturday night is _okay_
[10:39] <theblazehen> hi Na3iL
[10:39] <Na3iL> hello theblazehen
[10:42] <Kilos> hi jerit Na3iL
[10:42] <Na3iL> o/ Kilos jerit
[10:43] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[10:45] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[10:53] <jerit> ello Na3iL and Kilos and thatgraemeguy
[11:09] <superfly> .
[11:20] <theblazehen>
[11:30] <jerit> is it bad that its only now lunch time and already I want to kill people?
[11:36] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <theblazehen> jerit: Nope
[11:39] <theblazehen> Well, depends on who I guess
[11:40] <theblazehen> At the moment I'd decline your offer, but thanks anyway
[11:40] <theblazehen> :D
[11:43] <ra1v3n> Am I still here
[11:44] <paddatrapper> ra1v3n: It would seem so
[11:44] <ra1v3n> wonderful
[11:44] <ra1v3n> hello again all
[11:46] <ra1v3n> does anyone know of an online store where I can get a good graphics card (prefer Nvidia) cheap
[11:46] <jerit> card for gaming or...
[11:47] <ra1v3n> Mainly for my painting and 3d work
[11:49] <ra1v3n> I wouldnt mind if it could handle games either :P
[11:50] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: I find wootware.com to be pretty cheap normally
[11:50] <ra1v3n> ok I will have a look there thanx
[11:51] <ra1v3n> My last machine died in a surge (I just love eskom)
[11:52] <ra1v3n> so Im trying to build a i3 machine from scrap on the cheap just to carry on with my work for now
[11:56] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: Which i3?
[11:57] <ra1v3n> its an older model .... slavged the mobo and cpu
[12:00] <ra1v3n> the mobo is a H55M-P31
[12:02] <ra1v3n> i3 Socket 1156
[12:05] <ra1v3n> My goal is to get it up and running so I can get back to painting
[12:07] <Kilos> how much ram
[12:07] <Kilos> i3 should go well with 4g
[12:07] <Kilos> my dualcore is great with 4g
[12:08] <ra1v3n> 4g = 4gb?
[12:08] <Kilos> ya that
[12:08] <Kilos> gig
[12:08] <Kilos> technically its 4 GB or gB
[12:08] <ra1v3n> I have one 1gb card in there but have managed to source a matching 4gig pair
[12:08] <Kilos> small be is bits
[12:09] <Kilos> so 8 gig
[12:09] <Kilos> that will ge great
[12:09] <ra1v3n> so if the cards that a friend is sending me work it will have 8GB
[12:09] <Kilos> plenty
[12:09] <ra1v3n> so It needs HDD and A GPU now
[12:09] <Kilos> what speed cpu
[12:10] <Kilos> my dualcore is a 3.2GHZ cpu
[12:11] <Kilos> and strangely its almost as fast as this i5 laptop
[12:11] <ra1v3n> The machine itself works I booted it up with parted magic on a USB
[12:11] <Kilos> then the internal graphics should be fine
[12:11] <ra1v3n> I had that written down somewhere ... lol the "where" is the problem
[12:12] <Kilos> dont fiddle with what works
[12:12] <Kilos> ram is another matter
[12:13] <arts> hey Kilos
[12:13] <Kilos> hi arts
[12:13] <arts> hows tricks?
[12:13] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[12:14] <arts> good good, still using Kubuntu?
[12:14] <ra1v3n> hmmm
[12:14] <Kilos> of course
[12:14] <arts> hahaha!
[12:14] <Kilos> but 14.04
[12:15] <arts> y u no upgrade
[12:15] <ra1v3n> well I did put my old GPU in there and it works ... but its old only has 256ram
[12:15] <Kilos> will upgrade next month
[12:15] <ra1v3n> but we will see how things go
[12:16] <arts> cool, Kilos do you know of any channels that can help with javascript and css
[12:17] <ra1v3n> arts try #javascript
[12:17] <Kilos> oi
[12:17] <Kilos> ty ra1v3n
[12:17] <ra1v3n> oi?
[12:17] <ra1v3n> :P
[12:17] <Kilos> ai!
[12:17] <ra1v3n> that seems to be a popular question of late
[12:17] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <arts> they no want to help
[12:19] <arts> know of any others?
[12:21] <Kilos> all i find is http://irc.lc/freenode/javascript
[12:44] <arts> darn
[13:14] <magellanic> arts: what issue are you having?
[13:15] <arts> hey magellanic
[13:15] <arts> I'm trying to re adjust the heigt of my graph in chart.js
[13:15] <arts> can I show you the site?
[13:19] <andrewlsd> arts: have you been to www.chartjs.org/docs
[13:19] <arts> yep
[13:19] <arts> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38874529/chart-js-adjust-height-in-mobile-view
[13:19] <arts> I've been trying to fix this thing the whole dau
[13:19] <arts> dayu
[13:19] <arts> *day
[13:19] <arts>  LOL
[13:28] <andrewlsd> anyone else find this to be somewhat ironic:
[13:28] <andrewlsd> vtop                              1.0.1                         stephen-stewart-blah  -      A graphical activity monitor for the command line. Written in node.js
[13:28] <andrewlsd> a graphical activity monitor, for CLi, in Node.
[13:32] <magellanic> arts: I have no experience with chartjs, but that SO post mentions that it does resize just is then too small to work with after the resize?
[13:33] <magellanic> andrewlsd: weird yeah
[13:33] <arts> yep
[13:33] <magellanic> arts: when I load the link mentioned in the SO post, chrome dev console complains that bootstrap requires jquery, did you perhaps forget jquery?
[13:34] <magellanic> oh I see you do have it
[13:35] <arts> yeh, damn graphs
[13:35] <magellanic> arts: load jquery before bootstrap
[13:36] <arts> I will but there is no need for jquery theres nothing on the page tht uses it, but let me change it quick
[13:36] <magellanic> bootstap uses it
[13:39] <arts> yeah only for madals, dropdowns etc not chart.js
[13:39] <magellanic> ah okay
[13:40] <arts> madals... I'm losing my mind! I meand modals :X
[13:41] <magellanic> so on mobile you want a larger height?
[13:43] <arts> yeah, the bars are too short
[13:48] <magellanic> in the docs they set the height of the canvas element
[13:52] <magellanic> I'd look at the maintainAspectRatio option too
[13:53] <jerit> either my pc is confused about who I am
[13:53] <jerit> or I'm confused about who I am
[13:54] <jerit> O_o
[13:54] <jerit> I don't know which is actually the case her
[13:54] <jerit> here*
[14:10] <magellanic> arts: setting a height on the canvas to test, works for me, it makes the chart longer. I guess you need some css and media queries to resize it dynamically?
[14:44] <arts> nice on magellanic
[14:45] <superfly> paddatrapper, Kilos, I'll let you know when you  can join #iterum again
[14:50] <paddatrapper> superfly: ack
[14:50] <superfly> waiting for magespawn and inetpro to exit
[15:09] <magespawn> need to ge my attention superfly, exiting
[15:10] <magespawn> i caould have been there for a long time
[15:10] <magespawn> could
[15:25] <superfly> Kilos: ping?
[15:25] <superfly> where is Kilos? he's usually pretty responsive when he's online
[15:26] <Kilos> here
[15:26] <Kilos> superfly pong
[16:18] <superfly> Kilos, paddatrapper, magespawn, inetpro: you can join again, thank you
[16:18] <superfly> #iterum
[16:18] <Kilos> ty superfly
[16:18] <magespawn> thanks
[16:19] <magespawn> waht were you doing superfly ?
[16:19] <superfly> magespawn: everyone had to exit so that I could join again and be given operator
[16:19] <Kilos> yeah looks the same
[16:19] <superfly> then I registered the channel to myself
[16:19] <Kilos> aha
[16:20] <Kilos> painful work all that oping and stuff
[16:22] <magespawn> ahh right
[16:22] <magespawn> cool beans
[16:24] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[16:27] <Kilos> hellooooo inetpro
[16:28] <Kilos> wb
[16:40] <SEptic> Maaz coffee on
[16:40]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:42] <SEptic> evening all
[16:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for SEptic!
[16:45] <SEptic> Maaz thanks
[16:45] <Maaz> SEptic: Sure
[16:48] <SEptic> hmm
[17:02] <Kilos> hi sep
[17:03] <Kilos> ai!
[17:14] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[17:14] <Kilos> hiya pavlushka
[17:15] <pavlushka> Kilos: i cant swim that well, so watching womens swimming on Olympics, :p
[17:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <magespawn> chat later home time.
[18:29] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> ill only be here late tomorrow, another trip to pension offices, sigh
[18:32] <superfly> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/08/researchers-crack-open-unusually-advanced-malware-that-hid-for-5-years/
[18:44] <SEptic> eish
[18:44] <SEptic> super interesting
[18:50] <Kilos> big brother is watching you
[18:50] <Kilos> betcha its the nsa
[18:50] <Kilos> or othe usa agency
[18:51] <SEptic> nah ... i think its from the Guptas, it picks up on key words for available tenders
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <theblazehen> 'Nited states of America!
[18:57] <Kilos> yip i think so
[18:57] <nsnzero> lol
[18:57] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:58] <pavlushka> evening nsnzero !
[18:58] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[18:59] <nsnzero> i always envy virus writers - the dedication to their cause is commendable but their product is disgraceful
[19:00] <nsnzero> hello  Kilos
[19:03] <SEptic> indeed
[19:04] <SEptic> hmm, ok sure, some super clever software can nail air-gapped pcs and remain hidden for 5 years
[19:04] <SEptic> makes me wonder what is lurking in apple's / microsoft's clouds
[19:07] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Yeah. I find http://corewar.co.uk/creeper.htm reaper really cool though
[19:07] <nsnzero> hi SEptic : the big corp are bound by law to turn over any and all data if required - so no need for virus or malware needed
[19:07] <theblazehen> nsnzero: http://corewar.co.uk/index.htm experience that feeling yourself :)
[19:12] <SEptic> hey nsnzero : very true
[19:16] <nsnzero> hi theblazehen : is that like hacking in the movies ?  furious throwing of commands at the prompt to out wit your opponent ?
[19:17] <theblazehen> nsnzero: No. Pre programmed programs
[19:17] <theblazehen> Try and write over memory etc
[19:19] <theblazehen> http://antru.ru/
[19:19] <theblazehen> http://www.tacticalneuronics.com/content/main.asp check these too
[19:19] <theblazehen> Sites really need an update for 4k displays..
[19:20] <nsnzero> i will give it a try
[19:22] <nsnzero> good night guys
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:33] <theblazehen> night Kilos
[19:37] <ra1v3n> gnyt all
[19:42] <cal_py> Hey guys!
[19:43] <theblazehen> hey cal_py
[19:46] <cal_py> how are you theblazehen
[19:46] <theblazehen> cal_py: Good and you?
[19:47] <cal_py> good thanks theblazehen, group quiet?
[19:48] <theblazehen> cal_py: Not too much
[19:48] <cal_py> lol, theblazehen do you know any javascript?
[19:48] <theblazehen> cal_py: Enough to know I don't like it
[19:49] <cal_py> who does? LOL
[19:49] <theblazehen> Yeah lol
[19:49] <theblazehen> People who thought nodejs was a good idea when anything else still existed?
[19:50] <cal_py> LOL
[19:56] <cal_py> javascript is kicking my ass
[19:56] <kulelu88> rm -rf /node/
[19:57] <cal_py> lol
[19:57] <kulelu88> are you a pythonista?
[19:57] <superfly> cal_py: what's the problem?
[19:58] <cal_py> can I show you superfly ?
[19:58] <kulelu88> pastee.org cal_py
[19:58] <superfly> cal_py: sure
[19:58] <cal_py> btw hey superfly
[19:58] <superfly> cal_py: yes, use a pastebin of some sort
[19:59] <kulelu88> or pastebin.snyman.info
[19:59] <kulelu88> https://bin.snyman.info
[19:59] <kulelu88> that's the right 1
[20:00] <cal_py> ok let me show you something first
[20:02] <cal_py> http://preview.qaxawkzy7e6d2t9vhswkar3v1n8w7b9p705un9k2ojkbj4i.box.codeanywhere.com/#
[20:03] <cal_py> ok so this is my attemp to making a dashboard with cards, I've spent the whole day getting the JS to create multiple graphs, it works, everyone on the same page?
[20:03] <superfly> ooo, nice
[20:04] <cal_py> ok now here the problem
[20:04] <cal_py> load the page again and press "push!"
[20:05] <cal_py> apologies my typing is not so good tonight
[20:06] <superfly> the graphs don't load?
[20:07] <cal_py> exactly, google's chart API seems to only load when the pages loads which is a deal breaker, any suggestions?
[20:07] <kulelu88> works for me after reloading and hitting push
[20:07] <cal_py> no way send a screenshot!
[20:08] <kulelu88> should the cards load the first time I visit the site without clicking push? it shows blank for me everytime
[20:08] <cal_py> they should have charts in them
[20:08] <kulelu88> I don't see any charts 0.o
[20:09] <cal_py> thats the issue,
[20:09] <kulelu88> even the first time I load it
[20:09] <cal_py> change the code that it loads shaker_maker() on load, and the graphs will load
[20:12] <kulelu88> you changed it?
[20:12] <cal_py> yep
[20:14] <cal_py> superfly, any comments?
[20:24] <cal_py> fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddd
[20:24] <cal_py> thanks u stackoverflow!!!!!!!!
[20:24] <kulelu88> don't you know about stackoverflow? we are all stackoverflow programmers
[20:25] <superfly> it's how we do things... SDD Stackoverflow Driven Development
[20:25] <cal_py> hahahaha true kulelu88
[20:25] <superfly> cal_py: why aren't you using jquery?
[20:25] <kulelu88> which part is ass? going toilet?
[20:25] <superfly> you've got it, but you're not using it
[20:26] <cal_py> jquery is for modals and fancy buttons
[20:26] <cal_py> also
[20:26] <superfly> cal_py: and for DOM manipulation
[20:27] <cal_py> I used it for clearing the screen when I change the resolution
[20:27] <cal_py> exactly superfly
[20:27] <superfly> cal_py: but you're not doing it
[20:27] <superfly> "document.getElementById('cards').appendChild(new_card);"
[20:28] <superfly> $("#cards").append(new_card);
[20:28] <cal_py> jquery scares me
[20:28] <superfly> var new_card = $("<div>");
[20:28] <cal_py> ive only been programming in JS for like 3 weeks now
[20:28] <superfly> ^^ like way less typing than your version
[20:28] <cal_py> but your right jquery is easier
[20:28] <kulelu88> cal_py: what's your other IRC username?
[20:28] <superfly> scripting. programming means using a real programming language
[20:28] <superfly> *you're
[20:28] <cal_py> arts or cal_py
[20:29] <cal_py> my bad superfly scripting
[20:29] <superfly> ;-)
[20:29] <superfly> having said that, at work I'm writing an entire application in JavaScript
[20:30] <kulelu88> so you're new here cal_py
[20:30] <cal_py> haha same, well a dashboard, what are you writing, if you can tell
[20:33] <kulelu88> why are you rebuilding a dashboard cal_py ? there are many solutions out there already
[20:34] <superfly> cal_py: http://nomanini.com/ the big orange device and the web dashboard next to it? both, actually.
[20:34] <cal_py> because im fussy kulelu88,
[20:34] <superfly> but the web dashboard is written in JS
[20:34] <cal_py> are you using a framework? superfly
[20:35] <superfly> AngularJS
[20:36] <cal_py> look awesome superfly
[20:36] <cal_py> *looks
[20:36] <superfly> it is awesome
[20:37] <superfly> I was using jQuery for a project, and I wanted to do a lot of GUI stuff in it, and I didn't feel like all the boilerplate and manual labour. then I found AngularJS and I didn't have to care about that again
[20:37] <cal_py> question, is the styling of the dashboard part of angular?
[20:38] <kulelu88> there should be a lib for it
[20:38] <kulelu88> a lot of these JS frameworks inherit from JQuery
[20:39] <cal_py> haha seems like jquery is the root to all evil
[20:39] <superfly> negative, the love of money is the root of all evil. jQuery is awesome for its intended purpose
[20:40] <superfly> but application development is not what jQuery was intended for. it was intended for DOM manipulation
[20:40] <superfly> our app uses a bit of jQuery where Angular can't do what we want
[20:40] <kulelu88> then again, the browser itself was never intended for heavy JS apps
[20:40] <superfly> and it also uses Bootstrap, which is a UI framework
[20:40] <cal_py> google's legends for charts suck!
[20:41] <kulelu88> Are you using Google to render charts?
[20:41] <cal_py> yep
[20:50] <cal_py> end result http://imgur.com/a/SvSCf
[21:15] <cal_py> hey pavlushka
[21:16] <pavlushka> HEY cal_py
[21:17] <cal_py> how you doing?


[13:21] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[13:22] <andrew> morning
[13:32] <ssweeny> morning
[13:33] <JonathanD> How goes?
[13:33] <ssweeny> as well as can be expected on a monday
[16:58] <MutantTurkey> Gobble Gobble
[16:59] <jedijf> pacs this saturday....reminder
[16:59] <jedijf> and then you wonder why they bad turkey humor you to death
[16:59] <jedijf> provocation
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> ok
[17:01] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[17:04] <ChinnoDog> Ubuntu won't reach Turkey release until.. 2014?
[17:04] <MutantTurkey> I can't wait.
[17:04] <andrew> Naw, that'll be the turducken release
[17:04] <ssweeny> Tumultuous Turducken
[17:04] <MutantTurkey> is there really going to be a natty narwhal?
[17:04] <ChinnoDog> Tasty Turducken?
[17:05] <andrew> haha
[17:08] <ChinnoDog> I don't think releases can use names of made up animals
[17:08] <ChinnoDog> But if it is a Turkey release the first word will probably need to be 3+ sylables.
[17:08] <andrew> It's not made up any more than any other animal name is made up
[17:09] <ChinnoDog> I do not think you are going to find any wild turduckens
[17:10] <ChinnoDog> Unless you wait a few billion years and hope that the duck and the chicken evolve into parasites
[17:20] <andrew> but will ubuntu still be on the same naming scheme?
[17:21] <EvilPhoenix> greetings
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> andrew: There aren't enough animals for that, but there could be if hybrid species are accepted and new species appear. I'm thinking.. Hippy Humanzee
[18:36] <teddy-dbear> Chatty ChinnoDog? ;-)
[18:37] <teddy-dbear> Chipper ChinnoDog?
[21:05] <ChinnoDog> Chubby ChinnoDog
[21:10] <jedijf> chiapet ChinnoDog
[21:11] <rmg51> Chunky ChinnoDog
[21:11] <jedijf> cha cha cha chinno
[21:12] <jedijf> jing'lage ^^
[21:20] <EvilPhoenix> o.o
[21:20] <EvilPhoenix> *blinks*


[00:04] <lex79> apachelogger: well, no needs any patches to building
[00:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: seriously?  why?
[00:36] <lex79> Riddell: what should I do? keep the debian/patches folder because is a merge but is no longer need, or leave it out ?
[01:00] <Riddell> lex79: keep it if it does no harm
[01:01] <lex79> ok thanks, ktorrent is ready in LP
[01:23] <Riddell> boost is a beast
[01:25] <Riddell> fabo: what's the best place to learn about debhelper 7?
[01:52] <seele> apachelogger: the firefox installer is great!
[01:52] <seele> we should consider doing that for more software
[01:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: iirc, because it's an over-engineered solution to a non-existent problem, it isn't practical for large projects with many contributors and where copyright isn't assigned, etc. I'll try to find the link to the ML thread in my irc logs
[02:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/anti-dep5
[02:36] <alexey> Привет...
[03:45] <spstarr> very nice kdm theme in development :)
[05:21] <spstarr> hmm
[05:21] <spstarr> ok so it's air's theme, kubuntu development looks very good
[07:47] <fabo> Riddell: man dh
[07:47] <fabo> you can look to my packages too
[07:48] <fabo> grep something like override_dh
[10:18] <apachelogger> seele: well, wouldn't that fill-up the menu pretty soon? :)
[10:19] <apachelogger> we could make an interface that assits with installing most popular apps, but that would be nothing more than a simplified kpackagekit I suppose
[10:32] <apachelogger> Riddell, kwwii: bug 345321
[10:39] <Riddell> usplash may not be too important for long
[10:43] <davmor2> apachelogger: it's only cause the colour on the right hand side is so dark that it just blends in with the black background :)
[10:49] <apachelogger> davmor2: and that is bugworthy?
[10:49] <apachelogger> you know, I really wish there was a bug stats "dont-care-leave-me-alone"
[11:00] <davmor2> apachelogger: it's only bug worthy because people will think that it has finished when it has and may think that the system has stalled
[11:03] <apachelogger> davmor2: how slow must a system be to stay long enough in that section where dark blue ~= black
[11:04] <davmor2> apachelogger: it's about a 1/3 of the way along and it's more on the live cd than on an installed system
[11:04] <davmor2> sorry 2/3's
[11:05] <apachelogger> hm
[11:05] <davmor2> then it's there for maybe 10-15 seconds of doing nothing
[11:05] <apachelogger> I am quite sure if you peopel had sensible screens you would see the difference between dark blue and black :P
[11:05] <apachelogger> I certainly never noticed this flaw
[11:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: asac will talk to the trademarks contact about using the logo in our installer
[11:09] <davmor2> I have 2 very capable screens which have excellent white to black ratio's thank you very much indeed :P visually impaired people would have an even harder time of it than my 20-20 vision.   Also just to add at this early a stage for me to be this picky means that the kde team must be doing something right :)
[11:10] <apachelogger> there are loads of such reports :|
[11:11] <apachelogger> as if it was important compared to the fact that upgrading meta packages will not work and that network mangement does not work and that imap looses data every once in a while...
[11:11] <apachelogger> and of course reports like bug 412435
[11:12] <apachelogger> which are nothing more but forwards of a KDE bug with the single use of making the issue more visible and thinking that some kubuntu dood might think it is important enough to fix it right away
[11:12] <apachelogger> of course those are wrong assumptions and so the report rots away
[11:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: I care less about the trademark than about the non-free copyright licence
[11:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: that applies to firefox as well
[11:17] <apachelogger> and to thunderbird
[11:17] <apachelogger> neither of them is in restricted though AFAIK
[11:18] <Riddell> no tech board dispensation, other packages would need the same
[11:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[11:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: so it will live in restricted, does that cause any problems in regards to getting it on the CD?
[11:19] <Riddell> I rejected ubiquity slideshow on the same grounds recently
[11:20] <Riddell> restricted is for drivers only
[11:22] <apachelogger> on to the tech board then
[11:22]  * apachelogger notes that this causes way too much of a headache
[11:24] <Riddell> well you can just ship with the plain globe icon
[11:25] <Riddell> I should say I'm not really in favour of this idea, I'd rather just ship with a decent browser, but nobody else agrees with me that Arora is a decent browser
[11:25] <apachelogger> :)
[11:31] <Sput> Riddell: not before it has some sort of adblock :)
[11:32] <Riddell> I remember, back when I was a lad, we were the first distro to have adblock by default and that was controvertial enough.  I'm pretty sure firefox doesn't ship with adblock by default.
[11:35] <smarter> Riddell: I agree! :) Arora is the way to go.
[12:04] <davmor2> meh kubuntu alternate test failed :( unmet dependencies
[12:08] <Sput> Riddell: I'm not talking about "default". Afaik it's not possible to block ads on arora at all, is it?
[12:09] <Sput> I know that I wouldn't want to surf a web with all the ads, in any case :)
[12:21] <smarter> Sput: adblock support for Arora is currently being worked on
[12:22] <Sput> smarter: ah cool :) it's about the only thing still keeping me from using arora on a regular basis (that, and some issue with too-small fonts on some pages)
[13:23] <seele> apachelogger: well.. a simplified kpackagekit for the most popular apps, and then using kpackagekit to install packages might not be a bad idea.
[13:23] <seele> right now there is no application listing in kpackagekit so installing software by name is pretty intimidating
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> kmenuedit is a burning piece of crap, much alike to KHC in it's suckiness
[13:26] <smarter> seele: I don't know if you've already seen it, but the Gnome PackageKit GUI is  a lot more usable than KPackageKit and provides category lists: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html
[13:27] <seele> smarter: we dont have anyone to work on kpackagekit so it's pretty difficult to improve
[13:27] <seele> kpackagekit upstream considers it complete
[13:27] <seele> other distros were interested in improving it, but the kpackagekit guys didnt seem interested
[13:27] <Riddell> having a simplified kpackagekit UI is something we said we wanted when we first chose it and rgreening was working on it
[13:29] <seele> is he still?
[13:32] <Riddell> seele: not sure, last I heard he was waiting on something from upstream
[13:32] <Riddell> hello dantti
[13:32] <dantti> Riddell: hello
[13:34] <dantti> ScottK: hey
[13:35] <dantti> ScottK: kpk for 0.5 needs only testing now.. although i still think you should not ship it due the problems with apt, if you wanna test it go for it :)
[13:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: I did start to look at moving akonadi to mysql 5.1, but it FTBFS on the first try and I didn't get back to it.
[13:50]  * JontheEchidna can take a further look at akonadi
[13:51] <apachelogger> dantti: problems with apt?
[13:52] <dantti> apachelogger: yep, the py apt backend that cannod do a lot of things, like install java
[13:52] <dantti> *cannot
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh missing debconf support I suppose?
[13:53] <dantti> apachelogger: that's just one of the three main problems
[13:54] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[13:54] <apachelogger> dantti: there isn't much of an option at this point, since adept is abondend
[13:55] <dantti> I'm working on a patch to packagekit that will fix one of those (allow removal of packages while installing), so i can continue with aptcc (a cpp backend for apt)
[13:56] <dantti> apachelogger: yep, there isn't the only problem is that users think kpackagekit is the one to blame.. :(
[13:57] <apachelogger> :S
[13:57] <apachelogger> we just have to push enough fancy stuff for 9.10, so they stop noticing :D
[14:15] <Lure> Riddell: re akonadi-resource-googledata: should I upload new package with upstream patch for licence change?
[14:27] <Riddell> Lure: yes please
[14:27] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will try to do this tonight
[14:33] <smarter> apachelogger: isn't that the Microsoft way of doing things? :p
[14:45] <Sput> Riddell: speaking of browsers: what about rekonq? I'm just trying it and it seems to be looking nice
[14:46] <Sput> like arora, but with KDE integration :)
[14:46] <ScottK> Last I heard upstream said it wasn't suitable for packaging yet.
[14:47] <Sput> ah ok
[14:47] <ScottK> At least that was it's state back in May when we were deciding this stuff.
[14:48] <Sput> just noticed that it's using konq's web shortcuts now :)
[14:48] <cbr> google chrome <3
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://jmthomas.toniox.org/akonadi_1.2.0-2ubuntu1.dsc
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should throw some diffs up there too for the merge
[15:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see DSA 1868-1 (kde4libs vulnerabilities)?
[15:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm on vacation this week.  I'm about to head out to the beach.  I'll look at it this afternoon, perhaps, but if you can find someone else, that might be better.
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> OK
[15:01]  * JontheEchidna looks around
[15:02] <Riddell> ScottK: oh yes thanks for reminding me
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, I missed one or two things with the merge
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: can haz sponsor for akonadi stuff? http://jmthomas.toniox.org/
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[15:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: It looks like the meeting for a new feature tour for ubuntu.com has been put off indefinitely, so we won't by able to just take theirs and retheme. Do you have any requirements for it?
[15:21] <ryanakca> rgreening: Were you still interested in helping out with website stuff?
[15:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: show the users the obvious tasks that users need to do
[15:21] <Riddell> rgreening: seele was asking about the simplified kpackagekit interface you were looking into ages ago
[15:23] <rgreening> ryanakca: I may have some time if there's something small...
[15:23] <ryanakca> rgreening: Depends if you consider helping build a feature tour "small" ;)
[15:24] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... I believe we actually need to write a seperate app to do this "correctly". THe hacky patch became unappropriate at some point along the way (IMO)
[15:24] <rgreening> ryanakca: maybe we could have a meeting and see what "cool" items we should cover in a feature tour. Then go from there.
[15:25] <Riddell> rgreening: if it could be done in python, ervin has a team of students who might be interested
[15:25] <rgreening> Riddell: that would be awesome.
[15:26] <ryanakca> rgreening: *nod*, content can be decided at a meeting, but I'm guessing we can start on the layout without the content?
[15:26] <rgreening> and yeah, python is the way to go write this (AFAICT)
[15:26] <rgreening> ryanakca: to a small degree, sure.
[15:28] <rgreening> Riddell: does Ubuntu have a package which covers this for them? maybe something we can either port or use as a ui guide...
[15:28]  * rgreening isn't sure if they have this or not either
[15:29] <Riddell> rgreening: which covers what?
[15:30] <rgreening> Riddell: did you zone out :) the Simple App install picker to complement KPackageKit (e.g. not a patch but a seperate external app which can use app-install data and talk to packagekit/policykit)
[15:31] <rgreening> you know, the conversation aboue .. hahaha
[15:31] <Riddell> rgreening: gnome-app-install
[15:31]  * rgreening ducks
[15:31] <Riddell> it doesn't use packagekit though
[15:32] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. Thats what we need, and maybe port to use KDE/Qt and packagekit could be done. Is that package C/C++ or a python script?
[15:33] <Riddell> it's C I think
[15:33] <Riddell> actually looks like python
[15:33] <seele> Riddell: i thought ervin didnt want to do the project because kpk people werent interested
[15:35] <Riddell> seele: but this would be a new app in python that fills a notable gap
[15:35] <rgreening> seele: which is why it should also be a seperate package. the hooks are there (I help write the spec for it) so packagekit with apt-backend should be doable (forgetting the KPK front-end)
[15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: I say go for it. If you have ready, willing and able peps...
[15:36] <rgreening> s/peps/peeps/
[15:37] <Riddell> rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255771/
[15:38] <rgreening> hehe.
[16:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: Also, see http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/f8c8a1a11f1b035e#
[16:46] <Riddell> mm
[17:07] <spstarr> Riddell: good work on karmic :)
[17:07]  * spstarr has it in a VirtualBox VM right now
[17:08] <Riddell> ooh a fan
[17:10] <spstarr> ;) a developing one
[17:15] <spstarr> torn though,  Fedora vs Kubuntu,  bleeding edge vs lesser bleeding  ... I need my r6xx video 3D and fedora (being the developer of radeon bits) is forcing me into a situation at the moment
[17:16] <spstarr> if Buntu had a 'sid' it would be so nice
[17:16] <seele> was kregexpeditor packaged for jaunty? i see an entry for intrepid and older
[17:19] <nixternal> Riddell: you have a ton of fans! I am a Riddell fanboi
[17:19] <spstarr> well, I last used Kubuntu hmm.. goodness.. 2006 or so? much has changed though
[17:20] <nixternal> much has broken you mean :p
[17:21] <spstarr> lol
[17:21] <spstarr> Karmic looks stable so far
[17:21] <nixternal> ScottK: oi, I will have to figure out what to do when a system starts up, and the wifi drivers aren't installed and it is showing 0 devices... :/
[17:22] <spstarr> Strigi Desktop File Indexer is broken, but it's never worked in KDE really
[17:24] <Riddell> seele: it does seem to have disappeared
[17:25] <Riddell> seele: probably not been ported to kde 4 I think
[17:25] <spstarr> you might wanna backport my .desktop file change in 4.3 :)
[17:25] <spstarr> you can dock the weather forecast plasmoid to the systray
[17:26] <spstarr> i thought I got it into 4.3
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> plasmoids-in-systray a 4.4 feature
[17:27] <spstarr> you sure? the networkmanager plasmoid docks in systray :)
[17:27] <spstarr> X-Plasma-NotificationArea=true
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> it's a knotificationitem at the moment
[17:27] <spstarr> ah ok
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> the plasmoid is being rebuilt
[17:34] <ryanakca> Anybody have any experience packaging python plasmoids?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> It's not a common practice since they're easily distributable through KDE-look
[17:37] <seele> Riddell: doesnt look like it :(
[17:37] <MsMaco> if you misspell StartupNotify in a .desktop, is that the same as setting to False?
[17:37] <MsMaco> i'm wondering why the typo'd version actually...does...work like the false it was intended to be
[17:38]  * seele oggles at maco's /nick
[17:38] <Riddell> seele: I was just telling her off myself :)
[17:39] <seele> let's not get too gender crazy in here, i might have to abandon the channel like a bad linxuchix hangout
[17:40] <MsMaco> *grumble* fine
[17:40] <seele> muhahaha
[17:40] <seele_says_i_hav> awwww
[17:40] <seele_says_i_hav> that was: /nick seele_says_i_have_to_be_plain_maco
[17:42] <seele> maco: you can be whatever you want
[17:43]  * MrMagoo looks for her glasses
[17:43] <spstarr> I want to be a Mr Potato head
[17:43] <spstarr> ;p
[17:47] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: But if we wanted it on a default install?
[17:47] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: (or at least that was the plan when it was first mentioned to me last month)
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> yeah, then that's a bit of a pickle
[17:49] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: *nod* ... We can't use plasmapkg -i since it requires us to have X. Installing it under /usr using the same layout plasmapkg uses for ~/.kde fails. Packaging it like a python module so that you can import it from python appears to fail. Etc, etc, etc.
[17:52] <spstarr> hmm
[17:52] <spstarr> KPackageKit in karmic doesn't seem to pop up?
[17:53] <spstarr> i have to initiate it to see that it has updates available
[17:53] <maco> we have opposite fail!
[17:53] <maco> mine continues to pop up even after i've installed updates
[17:55] <spstarr> haha
[17:55] <spstarr> 24 updates to + 4 blocked
[17:55] <spstarr> today
[18:10] <dantti> maco: but does it still list them on the updater ui?
[19:27] <Riddell> mm, translations are looking good in karmic
[19:31] <Riddell> well, except for Arora
[19:31] <Riddell> smarter: do you use KDE in French?
[19:31] <Riddell> does Arora get translated?
[19:33] <lex79> Arora is translated in Italian here
[19:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: where's the translation page? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/arora/
[19:36] <ScottK> Riddell: I think it's like Quassel with .qm files so they don't get pulled into the language pack.
[19:42] <smarter> Riddell: yes and yes
[19:55] <spstarr> behold, coming to KDE 4.4 :)  http://www.sh0n.net/spstarr/weather.png
[19:56] <spstarr> i might backport to 4.3 we'll see
[19:58] <ryanakca> spstarr: Ooh, you in Vaughan? Only 3 hours away from here ;)
[19:58] <spstarr> !!
[19:58] <spstarr> yep I do :-)
[20:00]  * ryanakca is in Kingston...
[20:02] <spstarr> :) east
[20:03]  * spstarr goes to SuperCentre for food..
[20:03] <spstarr> -ENOFOOD
[20:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: akonadi uploaded
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: great
[20:11] <smarter> random fact I just discovered: KDevelop forces raster by default (for Qt >= 4.5.1)
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> akonadi FTBFS on the buildds, but not in pbuilder. interesting
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> it fails making dbgsym packages
[20:37] <Riddell> fooey
[21:21] <Sput> smarter: KDevelop without raster was exquisitely slow when I last tried it (the editor lagged to the point where it got unusable), so I think that makes sense


[11:52] <wxl> sigh. looks like i'm going to have to do a fresh install. i've had some funky b.s. going on for a long while now where i've had to manually set dns and it seems like with the change from systemd-resolve to resolvectl, i can't get that change to work. i mean, i know the command, but it's not working. and besides, there are some graphical elements that don't seem right. we were smart not to officially
[11:52] <wxl> support an upgrade on 18.04.
[11:59] <wxl> are there supposed to be screenshots of the artwork on the lobster release notes?
[12:01] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#XBsc_xT9gcDmAIAebrLEPg
 Yes, there were supposed to be screenshots but WordPress is somewhat broken. Discourse has the correctly formated version.
[12:22] <wxl> broken huh? know any more about what's up?
 Not exactly. We aren't able to get the image embedding to work and uploading images is a PITA. The Elementor plug in never seems to load for me either so I can't edit any of the pages that use that.
 It is on the teward list but he is overworked and underpaid.
[12:28] <wxl> remind me about this later. i may be able to propose a solution
[12:28] <teward> and online right now.  :P
 Sounds good wxl.
 * sends teward a barrel of coffee *
[12:31]  * wxl sips the second steep from yesterday's pot of tea
[12:34] <Roberalz[m]> Drinking coffee to come back to life.
[13:27] <wxl> anyone seeding 23.04? either my torrent client is misconfigured or there are no peers
 I don't seem to be getting any action either.
 oh wait, there it goes
[17:01] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230516)
[21:51] <wxl> yay i'm on lobster now
 Nice!
[21:55] <wxl> this time around i'm going to set up the whole thing with ansible
 Double nice! I have been really enjoying my adventures with Ansible.
[21:56] <wxl> we've been using it on our servers at work
[21:57] <lynorian[m]> ansible seemed really cool but I broke it by using different user names and not wanting to ssh in as root on my old vms so I had soemthing that wouldn't work
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Ansible is pretty great
[22:11] <wxl> ok now i can breathe again. i forgot how painful it is to not use awesomewm XD
 Lol