[05:02] <flint_> hey jane!
[05:06] <ogra> morning flint_
[05:12] <flint_> hey ollie, I have been causing trouble and jane is supposed to come by and punnish me
[05:12] <flint_> this could be REALLY fun to watch!
[05:12] <flint_> (I wonder if she will charge me...)
[05:13] <flint_> On a related note, do you remember Jonithan's last name and would you know his alias?
[05:13] <flint_> That is Jonithan as in the Hilton and Jonithan show...
[05:16] <ogra> he's highvoltage....
[05:16] <ogra> i dont remember his last name...
[05:16] <flint_> of course!  Thanks!!!!
[05:16] <ogra> ithink carter, but i'm not sure
[05:17] <flint_> You nailed it.  BTW the dreaded Elkner downloaded the ISO and is even as we speak copulating with it...
[05:18] <ogra> hehe
[05:18] <flint_> has he come whining to you about this yet?
[05:18] <ogra> not yet
[05:18] <flint_> 'tis early in this hemisphere...give him time... :^)
[05:18] <ogra> but if he follows my instructions it should work without problem
[05:19] <ogra> i eagerly wait for mdz to include my patch to ltsp, so we can get rid of the one needed dhcp restart...
[05:19] <flint_> what sort of talk is that?  He is a teacher fer crissakes you cannot expect him to read of follow instructions!
[05:19] <ogra> heh
[05:19] <ogra> i knowhe read them before ...
[05:19] <flint_> ok...
[05:20] <ogra> but they are canged for the current iso :)
[05:20] <flint_> I will look in on him later this afternoon.
[05:20] <ogra> changed too
[05:21] <flint_> well, I guess jane does not see me as a target of opportunity, even with you here to watch :^(
[05:23] <flint_> I are gone.. thanks for the good work!  Know that you are changing the world.
[06:24] <jelkner> JaneW: hi Jane
[06:59] <Lathiat> Tue Sep  6 16:59:12 UTC 2005
[08:00] <D13GU__> hi
[08:01] <D13GU__> where i download edubuntu?
[09:58] <\sh> oh ...
[09:58] <\sh> 2 mins
[09:58] <bddebian> Heya folks
[09:58] <Lathiat> yoyo bddebian
[09:58] <Lathiat> i see your applying too :)
[09:58] <bddebian> Aye
[09:58] <bddebian> Lathiat: Aren't you already an MOTU?
[09:59] <ivoks> 'evening
[09:59] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[10:00] <ajmitch> morning
[10:00] <Lathiat> bddebian: approved member but not for upload
[10:00] <Lathiat> e.g. not much of one :)
[10:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: avahi got it
[10:00] <bddebian> Lathiat: Ah :-(
[10:01] <ajmitch> s/it/in/
[10:01] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:01] <\sh> 20:00 UTC :) good evening gentlemen
[10:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh i saw it
[10:01] <ajmitch> so far we have MOTUs here
[10:01] <ivoks> heh
[10:01] <slomo> hi all :)
[10:01] <JaneW> hi
[10:01] <Lathiat> so who makes up the TB anyway?
[10:01] <tseng> we have Kamion and Keybuk, maybe
[10:01] <\sh> hey jane :)
[10:01] <JaneW> hi \sh
[10:01] <bddebian> Hello slomo, JaneW
[10:02] <Keybuk> Lathiat: mdz, sabdfl and I
[10:02] <JaneW> hey bddebian
[10:02] <ajmitch> hi JaneW, Keybuk
[10:02] <JaneW> hello ajmitch
[10:02] <Kamion> tseng: I'm not on the TB
[10:02] <bddebian> Heya Keybuk
[10:02] <Lathiat> Keybuk: righto
[10:02] <tseng> Kamion: ah right
[10:05] <JaneW> are we waiting for mdz?
[10:05] <Keybuk> he says 10 minutes
[10:05] <JaneW> can I jump in and do a quick BreezyGoals nag?
[10:05] <tseng> Noooooo
[10:05] <doko> JaneW: you already did ;-P
[10:05] <tseng> :)
[10:05] <bddebian> nag? :-)
[10:05] <JaneW> since I think all/most goal owners are here?
[10:05] <JaneW> hehe
[10:05] <jbailey> JaneW: Nope, none of us here.
[10:05] <JaneW> some of you have been amazing
[10:05] <JaneW> others not so much ;)
[10:06] <ajmitch> heh :)
[10:06] <JaneW> *pointed look at jbailey*
[10:06] <JaneW> *cough* formal test plans *cough*
[10:07] <JaneW> so guys these WIP goals HAVE to move
[10:07] <JaneW> are any of them still going to be in Breezy? or can I shift them to deferred?
[10:07] <ajmitch> tseng: any word from Unfrgiven on the docs?
[10:07] <tseng> ajmitch: none
[10:07] <JaneW> I need to get a list going for UBZ, to see what;s still relevant for Breezy +1
[10:08] <jbailey> FormalTestPlans is something I'm still working on.  It will need to be reviewed at UBZ anyway.
[10:08] <jbailey> Since it''s not a completable task.
[10:08] <JaneW> tseng: on 24Aug he told me he'd try to get something out by the end of the week
[10:08] <JaneW> I assume he didn't manage?
[10:08] <tseng> JaneW: he has told me that a few times, tbh
[10:08] <JaneW> jbailey: ok, but we don;t have any for Breezy right?
[10:08] <JaneW> tseng: erk
[10:08] <tseng> JaneW: i didnt think it was a major task, but i can appreciate Real Life interfering
[10:09] <bddebian> I don't see much happening with the apt-get.org stuff.
[10:09] <ajmitch> we haven't seen him round much in recent months
[10:09] <JaneW> jbailey: so can I move to deferred, and mention that some work is already done?
[10:09] <jbailey> JaneW: That's what I'm still working on this week.
[10:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's because there's a few hundred packages to review
[10:09] <JaneW> ajmitch: no, I had to mail him, I gather he;s been pretty busy
[10:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: I know, that is why I am saying
[10:09] <jbailey> I want to have an initial set of plans for after the preview release so that they can be reviews as we approach release candidate.
[10:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: dholbach has put out a call for MOTUs to review & approve
[10:10] <tseng> JaneW: mono was deferred, I imagine we will start over at UBZ
[10:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: it'll be discussed at the MOTU meeting tomorrow, also
[10:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I was going to start on them but...
[10:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK
[10:10] <dholbach> bddebian: i will work on it - i just had to take care of gnome 2.12 with seb
[10:10] <JaneW> tseng: really? even though it's green?
[10:10] <ajmitch> tseng: mono itself is still in main?
[10:10] <ajmitch> JaneW: packages got demoted to universe
[10:10] <tseng> JaneW: well, its partially completed, partially defered :)
[10:10] <JaneW> oic, is any of it in Breezy?
[10:10] <tseng> yes.
[10:11] <ajmitch> upstream packages are still a bit immature
[10:11] <tseng> its all there, just not in main.
[10:12] <JaneW> tseng/ ajmitch : ok I need details of what's completed and what's deferred, so I can split it in the table please; here, PM or e-mail (or you could edit the wiki, which ever you prefer)
[10:12] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[10:12] <tseng> JaneW: pm WFM
[10:12] <ajmitch> ok, tseng knows status best
[10:13] <JaneW> tseng: WFM...?
[10:13] <mdz> good  morning, all
[10:13] <ajmitch> morning mdz
[10:13] <JaneW> hi mdz
[10:13] <bddebian> Hello mdz
[10:13] <JaneW> oh Works For Me
[10:13] <tseng> JaneW: "works for me"
[10:13] <JaneW> got it thanks
[10:13] <JaneW> tseng: your nick registered?
[10:13] <mdz> Keybuk,sabdfl: here
[10:13] <tseng> JaneW: yes ma'am
[10:13] <mvo> JaneW: try "wtf" from the bsdgames packages ;)
[10:13] <bddebian> heh
[10:13] <mdz> Keybuk: will sabdfl be joining us?
[10:14] <JaneW> tseng: cool, I am the official 'is your nick registered' monitor today
[10:14] <JaneW> tseng: rescuer of stray PMs
[10:14] <tseng> JaneW: lilo brownie point.
[10:14] <JaneW> heh
[10:14] <ajmitch> you sound like a manager :)
[10:15] <Keybuk> mdz: pigs might fly ;)
[10:15] <bddebian> Doh
[10:15] <Keybuk> I'm not in London until next week, so can't bread-roll him
[10:15] <Keybuk> and his mobile went to voicemail
[10:15] <elmo> I've pinged him
[10:15] <sabdfl> hi all
[10:15] <bddebian> he's been around on -devel
[10:15] <elmo> PHEAR MY SUMMONING POWAHS
[10:15] <ivoks> hi
[10:15] <bddebian> Oh, speak of the devil.  Hello sabdfl
[10:15] <Nafallo> sabdfl: morning :-)
[10:15] <sabdfl> >:-)
[10:16] <mdz> a full complement
[10:16] <mdz> on to the maintainer candidates
[10:16] <ajmitch> ah, morning sabdfl
[10:16] <\sh> oops...did I miss somethign?
[10:16] <mdz> \sh: pardon?
[10:16] <JaneW> hi sabdfl
[10:16] <mdz> we've just begun
[10:16] <\sh> good :)
[10:16] <\sh> sry
[10:16] <mdz> Welcome, one and all, to this latest meeting of the ubuntu technical board
[10:16] <mdz> is RajasekarKarthik present?
[10:17] <mdz> JaneW: *groan*
[10:17] <JaneW> heh
[10:17] <mdz> ivoks: aren't you already a motu?
[10:17] <dholbach> mdz: he waits for key checking / account making
[10:17] <ivoks> mdz: yes, sorry for interruption
[10:18] <mdz> StefanPotyra writes that he can't attend the meeting
[10:18] <bddebian> He is already MOTU no?
[10:18] <\sh> his gf has birthday..prio 1 ,-)
[10:18] <\sh> bddebian: no
[10:18] <mdz> bddebian: you're next, then
[10:18] <bddebian> Oh, that's bad.  He's sistpoty right?
[10:18] <bddebian> moi?
[10:18] <siretart> jepp
[10:19] <sabdfl> folks, which is the actual MOTU team? it can't be the team called "motu", since that has about 20 admins, and would blow away any upload security
[10:19] <bddebian> Are we still doing the who/what/where thing?
[10:19] <ajmitch> sabdfl: Ubuntu Development Team on LP
[10:20] <ajmitch> iirc main is in the 'Ubuntu Core Development Team'
[10:20] <mdz> sabdfl: "ubuntu development team"
[10:20] <sabdfl> ok
[10:20] <sabdfl> thanks
[10:21] <bddebian> Welcome ogra
[10:21] <sabdfl> only person proposed in LP is Dmitri Alenitchev
[10:22] <mdz> most people are still using the wiki
[10:22] <ajmitch> I'm not sure if the team membership there is complete
[10:22] <mdz> ajmitch: it definitely isn't
[10:22] <mdz> not everyone has launchpad accounts yet, e.g.
[10:22] <Keybuk> sabdfl: I've got to have my stupid hat on today, but where the hell on launchpad.net do I search for teams? :p
[10:22] <mdz> should we take a moment to discuss procedures here?
[10:22] <Nafallo> Keybuk: /people
[10:23] <mdz> we would like to manage all of the member and maintainer data using launchpad
[10:23] <Keybuk> is it not linked from the front page?
[10:23] <ogra> mdz, yup
[10:23] <sabdfl> mdz: can i restructure the page to point people at the right place?
[10:23] <sabdfl> Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/people/
[10:23] <elmo> Keybuk: bottom lefthand portlet
[10:23] <mdz> replacing the ad hoc mechanisms we have been using (email, wiki, etc.)
[10:23] <Keybuk> elmo: that's "Top Contributors" on mine
[10:23] <mdz> sabdfl: sure
[10:23] <elmo> Keybuk: "people and teams" link
[10:23] <elmo> in that portlet
[10:23] <Keybuk> that's a hyperlink?!  who picked that blue colour
[10:23] <elmo> (but yeah, I agree, it's not tres discoverable)
[10:23] <mdz> everyone who is applying for maintainership should begin by creating a launchpad account
[10:24] <mdz> the launchpad interface allows you to propose yourself as a new member for a team
[10:24] <mdz> which notifies the team administrator
[10:24] <mdz> it also handles signing of the code of conduct, etc.
[10:25] <mdz> and the data in launchpad will soon be used to manage upload privileges
[10:25] <siretart> great news! :)
[10:25] <Nafallo> yay!
[10:25] <sabdfl> also....
[10:25] <sabdfl> i think we have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for all members now :-)
[10:25] <ogra> yay
[10:25] <bddebian> wow
[10:25] <dholbach> WOW
[10:25] <sabdfl> elmo: confirm?
[10:25] <dholbach> i mean  W O W
[10:25] <elmo> yeah
[10:26] <ogra> cool
[10:26] <Nafallo> yay! /me tries ;-)
[10:26] <ivoks> lot's of wow-ing...?
[10:26] <dholbach> Nafallo: send me a mail please ;)
[10:26] <JaneW> dholbach: your MOM just fell over ;)
[10:26] <mdz> sabdfl: I think we also need to refine the membership vs. maintainership processes.  maintainership more or less implies membership, but we haven't been rigorous about how that should work
[10:26] <ivoks> pss... for what? :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> sabdfl: that's good to hear
[10:26] <\sh> sounds good...good start to work on lp+voip+jabber integration ,-)
[10:26] <mdz> sabdfl: what ID is used for the left hand side of the email address?
[10:26] <bddebian> ivoks<EMAIL_ADDRESS>e-mail
[10:27] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[10:27] <ivoks> bddebian: heh, great
[10:27] <slomo> hi mbreit :)
[10:27] <elmo> mdz: person.name
[10:27] <sabdfl> launchpad id, with some filters for expletives and things like "hostmaster" (ogra ;-)
[10:27] <Nafallo> christian.bjalevik@ didn't work
[10:27] <ogra> lol
[10:27] <ivoks> :)
[10:27] <mdz> ...
[10:27] <ivoks> thegod and alike :)
[10:27] <elmo> (as in 'person.name' in SQL)
[10:27] <mdz> sabdfl: the one which is something like "name93" for many people?
[10:27] <elmo> mdz: that's mostly canonical staff
[10:28] <elmo> who are excluded anyway
[10:28] <\sh> first.lastname@ or launchpad id which is in my case sh-sourcecode ,-)
[10:28] <sabdfl> mdz: technically, if we make the ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-dev teams members of the ubuntu-members team, it will Just Work (tm)
[10:28] <elmo> \sh: launchpad id
[10:28] <elmo> first.lastname isn't viable for a bunch of reasons
[10:28] <mdz> sabdfl: right, but we have a process associated with membership too
[10:28] <sabdfl> but that sort of bypasses the cc/tb separation
[10:28] <elmo> (see the launchpad ml archives, if you care)
[10:28] <mdz> so I don't think that's appropriate
[10:29] <Nafallo> works :-)
[10:29] <sabdfl> alternatively, the upload checks could verify the two separately
[10:29] <ivoks> Nafallo: yup :)
[10:29] <ivoks> elmo: thanks
[10:29] <Nafallo> elmo: thanks master :-)
[10:29] <\sh> elmo: ok..so<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would do it...
[10:29] <ivoks> and others, of course
[10:29] <siretart> hmm.. neither siretart@ nor reinhard.tartler@ works for me..
[10:29] <mdz> sabdfl: ideally, membership would be a prerequisite for maintainership, but that makes the process doubly inconvenient
[10:30] <sabdfl> yes
[10:30] <elmo> \sh: dunno, try it and see
[10:31] <Keybuk> we don't actually check that now, do we?
[10:31] <mdz> there are definitely people who were approved as maintainers at the last meeting who are not in launchpad yet
[10:31] <slomo> \sh: you can change your LP id ;)
[10:31] <ajmitch> elmo: thanks, mail does work :)
[10:31] <mdz> some of them didn't have accounts at the time, and didn't mail me later with their account info
[10:31] <mdz> Keybuk: no; they're entirely orthogonal right now
[10:32] <ogra> mdz, i think our teamlist is complete https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+members
[10:32] <mdz> but it's silly for someone to be a maintainer without being a member
[10:32] <mdz> ogra: why is everyone an administrator?
[10:33] <elmo> ajmitch: not for long
[10:33] <elmo> ajmitch: go sign a CoC on launchpad ;-P
[10:33] <ogra> mdz, because everyone shall be able to change the team data..
[10:33] <ivoks> :)
[10:33] <sabdfl> ogra: that also means anyone can make anyone else a motu ;-)
[10:33] <mdz> ogra: administrators add new members to the team
[10:33] <ivoks> elmo: what about those that can't sign? due LP bugs...
[10:33] <ogra> sabdfl, yup
[10:33] <mdz> we should phase out the motu team and use ubuntu-dev
[10:33] <ogra> mdz, yup
[10:33] <elmo> ajmitch, alessio-fattorini, crimsun, dh, ivoks, jgotangco, jr, koke, sh-sourcecode
[10:33] <dholbach> sabdfl: that's the motu love ;-)
[10:34] <elmo> ^--- all need to sign CoCs on launchpad and become ubuntites
[10:34] <mdz> ogra: I created ubuntu-dev based on the upload keyring
[10:34] <\sh> elmo: argl..again?
[10:34] <ogra> oh, ok
[10:34] <ivoks> elmo: LP has bugs and I can't sign CoC :)
[10:34] <Keybuk> wow, sabdfl actually signed the CoC at last <g>
[10:34] <ajmitch> elmo: I just tried signing a CoC before..
[10:34] <elmo> Keybuk: no, I quietly omitted the CC members who aren't ubuntites ;-)
[10:34] <elmo> \sh: please
[10:34] <elmo> ivoks: are bugs filed about it?
[10:35] <Keybuk> elmo: like James Troup ... Ubunite! Not yet ?
[10:35] <ivoks> elmo: yes
[10:35] <elmo> ajmitch: please try again, and if it doesn't work, file a bug
[10:35] <mdz> dholbach: metacity just crashed when gaim popped up; is that fixed upstream?
[10:35] <elmo> Keybuk: hush you
[10:35] <dholbach> mdz: will check
[10:35] <mdz> sabdfl: didn't we agree to retire 'ubuntite' in favour of 'ubuntu member'?
[10:35] <tseng> mdz: according to changelog, yes
[10:35] <slomo> mdz: i've proposed me now for ubuntu-dev but i'm already motu ;)
[10:35] <ivoks> elmo: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1979
[10:35] <ogra> mdz, ubuntite<ubuntu member iirc
[10:35] <sabdfl> mdz: different things, one is membership in a team, the other is related to CoC
[10:36] <sabdfl> anybody can sign the CoC
[10:36] <ajmitch> elmo: will<EMAIL_ADDRESS>addresses be automatically whitelisted?
[10:36] <ivoks> elmo: or 1972
[10:36] <bddebian> Where is ubuntu.com mail delivered?
[10:36] <elmo> ajmitch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is whitelisted
[10:36] <ajmitch> ok, good
[10:36] <elmo> bddebian: forwarded to your email address in LP
[10:36] <bddebian> elmo: Ah, OK thx
[10:36] <mdz> ogra: please have all MOTU who are not members of ubuntu-dev propose themselves
[10:36] <ogra> oki
[10:37] <mdz> I will verify against the keyring and confirm them
[10:37] <elmo> ivoks: ok
[10:37] <mdz> going forward, all new MOTU candidates  should apply through launchpad
[10:37] <mdz> sabdfl is adding instructions to the wiki
[10:38] <mdz> for people who are here today, we'll do it as we go along
[10:38] <mdz> bddebian: you should apply for ubuntu-dev now
[10:38] <bddebian> mdz: OK
[10:39] <bddebian> done
[10:39] <mdz> perfect
[10:39] <mdz> so back to business
[10:40] <mdz> we're considering bddebian as a new MOTU
[10:40] <ogra> finally
[10:40] <mdz> ...again?
[10:40] <mdz> ;-)
[10:40] <ogra> hehe
[10:40] <Nafallo> lol
[10:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: stay here :P
[10:41] <ajmitch> ok, so where's the usual MOTU cheer squad?
[10:41] <mdz> can we hear from his peers on the motu team about his work so far?
[10:41] <ivoks> shy guy :)
[10:41] <ogra> bddebian, say something
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:41] <bddebian> ogra: Am I supposed to do the past/present/future type thing still?
[10:41] <\sh> excellent...he's very carefull, which is quite good :)
[10:41] <dholbach> bddebian: what comes to your mind when you think about the last weeks with the MOTU crew :)
[10:42] <mdz> bddebian: who has been sponsoring your uploads?
[10:42] <ogra> bddebian, is someone the whole motu team would like to see as a valuable addition, even if he doesnt belive that himaself ;)
[10:42] <bddebian> dholbach: Do you want an honest answer?
[10:42] <ajmitch> mdz: he's done a lot of good work, both fixing packages, requesting rebuilds, and bug triage on malone
[10:42] <dholbach> bddebian: sure
[10:42] <\sh> mdz: most of the I did
[10:42] <\sh> +time
[10:42] <bddebian> dholbach: Frustrating
[10:42] <ajmitch> mdz: I've sponsored some, as has \sh, dholbach & others
[10:42] <sabdfl> bddebian: what's the top 3 things you'd like to get right in breezy?
[10:42] <ivoks> he's just shy
[10:42] <sabdfl> if you are go for motu?
[10:42] <siretart> various ppl, everytime I look at UniverseUnmetDeps or GL Transition pages I see debdiffs from him
[10:42] <slomo> i vote for bddebian ;) he does much good work, is as careful as possible and fixes really much stuff lately ;)
[10:43] <mdz> sabdfl: you mean breezy+1, right?
[10:43] <Nafallo> I've sponsored two :-)
[10:43] <bddebian> sabdfl: UnmetDeps cleaned up, Transitions completed and Malone whittled down
[10:43] <sabdfl> mdz: there's time for a wee bit o' polish in universe... ;-)
[10:43] <sabdfl>  +1 for bddebian based on work to date
[10:43] <ajmitch> at the rate he's going, bddebian will probably have those 3 things done in the next couple of weeks
[10:44] <\sh> sabdfl: optimistic thoughts are welcome in our motu world ;)
[10:44] <mdz> sabdfl: it's *cough* a bit late for fiddling with breezy ;-)
[10:44] <ogra> mdz, not to late to finish the transitions ;)
[10:44] <dholbach> mdz: ha... you say that - watch the motu crowd fix universe in the last weeks ;)
[10:44] <bddebian> Really?  Then maybe apt-get.org stuff.
[10:44] <mdz> main, that is
[10:44] <sabdfl> mdz: it's *universe* dude, live on the edge
[10:44] <dholbach> haha... yes :)
[10:44] <mdz> sabdfl: I get enough edge in main, thankyouverymuch
[10:44] <bddebian> Ahh..
[10:45] <ajmitch> sabdfl: we do like to try & keep things buildable & installable :)
[10:45] <Lathiat> to boldly go...
[10:45] <bddebian> It would be nice to work towards a little more structure in the MOTU world (IMO)
[10:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: meeting tomorrow at 22:00UTC, put it on the agenda :)
[10:46] <ogra> bddebian, go ahead :)
[10:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye
[10:46] <ivoks> :)
[10:46] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:46] <ivoks> how to vote your self out by bddebian ;)
[10:46] <bddebian> Heh
[10:47] <sabdfl> any other input from folks on bddebian? mdz? Keybuk?
[10:47] <mdz> I've seen quite a number of uploads from him carrying out transitions
[10:47] <Keybuk> as have I
[10:47] <ajmitch> ogra: those are only the 25 that have his name on them
[10:47] <dholbach> bddebian: it's good to have you around and you'll surely help to get more structure in :)
[10:47] <\sh> I'll really like to see bddebian as MOTU , cause he works hard and clean. Statistic says: 1 out of 30 packages had a missed build-dep..but this is good
[10:47] <Nafallo> ogra: and that's only those with changelogs ;-)
[10:47] <dholbach> ajmitch: ++
[10:47] <ogra> ajmitch, i know
[10:48] <ogra> a HUGE ++ for bddebian here
[10:48] <ivoks> he's a good guy and he was around for few months
[10:48] <jbailey> And he's always online. =)
[10:48] <Keybuk> I've kept an eye on him the last few weeks, he gets a +1 from me now
[10:48] <ivoks> noone could say anything bad about him
[10:48] <bddebian> jbailey: You hush ;-)
[10:48] <Nafallo> bddebian++
[10:48] <sabdfl> mdz: 2-?
[10:48] <mdz> +1 from me as well, based on observable effort and feedback from the team
[10:49] <ivoks> he should just change nick :)
[10:49] <sabdfl> ok, welcome aboard bddebian
[10:49] <mdz> sabdfl: you voted?
[10:49] <bddebian> ivoks: Aye, I should
[10:49] <dholbach> YES! YES! YES! :)
[10:49] <ogra> as first
[10:49] <ivoks> bddebian: welcome! ;)
[10:49] <sabdfl> mdz: ages ago :-)
[10:49] <\sh> bddebian: finally u made it dude :) Congrats !!!! *HUGS*
[10:49] <bddebian> Thank you folks
[10:49] <Nafallo> bddebian: yay! welcome aboard bdubuntu :-)
[10:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: well done
[10:49] <slomo> congrats bddebian :)
[10:49] <ajmitch> thanks, TB
[10:49] <ogra> YAY
[10:49] <ivoks> bdubuntu!
[10:49] <mdz> sabdfl:  Sorry, a system error occurred
[10:49] <ogra> finally !!!
[10:49] <dholbach> Nafallo: that must be a new derivative :)
[10:50] <sabdfl> mdz: i just approved him
[10:50] <ogra> :)
[10:50] <jbailey> ivoks: Shortened to 'bdub' just to be confusing. =)
[10:50] <sabdfl> i suspect there's no test for two admins colliding ;-)
[10:50] <dholbach> hahaha, jbailey :)
[10:50] <Lathiat> haha jbailey
[10:50] <mdz> sabdfl: ok, maybe I should do the approvals then
[10:50] <bddebian> jbailey: Actually I kinda like that one ;-)
[10:50] <sabdfl> mdz: ok
[10:50] <ogra> bddebian, please add yourself to the MOTU page etc...
[10:50] <sabdfl> mbreit: you're up next
[10:50] <bddebian> OK so now in a month or two I should get upload rights?
[10:51] <slomo> bddebian: lol :)
[10:51] <tseng> ouch.
[10:51] <mbreit> sabdfl: i am already approved!?
[10:51] <sabdfl> ogra: instead, please just link the motu page to the launchpad page for the team
[10:51] <mdz> BillyAM is  up next
[10:51] <ogra> sabdfl, i think mbreit was already approved
[10:51] <mdz> mbreit: no
[10:51] <bddebian> Aye, mbreit rocks
[10:51] <sabdfl> oops
[10:51] <mdz> mbreit: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members
[10:51] <Keybuk> going on the previous point, bddebian still needs approval to be a member, no?
[10:51] <\sh> i don't know billyAM
[10:51] <mdz> Keybuk: from CC, yes
[10:51] <tseng> he has no wiki page, is he here?
[10:51] <Keybuk> right, just checking
[10:51] <sabdfl> i just approved him too :-)
[10:51] <ogra> sabdfl, yup, thats my job, but i want to keep the wikipage around for now...
[10:51] <\sh> Keybuk: he is already, is he?
[10:51] <mbreit> mdz: i have been approved as motu on last tb meeting
[10:51] <mdz> sabdfl: you are a loose cannon
[10:51] <bddebian> Keybuk: No, I've been a member for a while (or at least should have been)
[10:51] <mdz> mbreit: I meant in launchpad
[10:52] <sabdfl> mdz: truth is my defence
[10:52] <ogra> Keybuk, he is approved
[10:52] <mbreit> mdz: ah, i see now ;)
[10:52] <jbailey> ISTR talking on behalf of bddebian at a CC meeting.
[10:52] <ivoks> doh, i'm not a member yet :)
[10:52] <Keybuk> ok, someone needs to update launchpad to know bddebian is a member :p
[10:52] <bddebian> It used to say Ubuntite - yes.  Did that change?
[10:52] <Keybuk> that's a CoC signing
[10:52] <mdz> right, so no one named BillyAM here?
[10:53] <mdz> WickedPuppy?
[10:53] <\sh> mdz: remove him..
[10:53] <mdz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/billyam
[10:53] <\sh> damn..
[10:53] <ajmitch> no, we haven't seen him around
[10:53] <ivoks> who?
[10:53] <mdz> \sh: feel free to move him to the lower list
[10:53] <Nafallo> bddebian: nope
[10:53] <mdz> Tgall next
[10:53] <\sh> mdz: now I can see his wikipage ... aha..
[10:54] <ajmitch> mdz: I think some people add their names to the list, and then want to help out
[10:54] <Nafallo> bddebian: you have to have one to be a member though
[10:54] <mdz> ajmitch: the text at the top should be clarified, then
[10:54] <bddebian> Hmm, I see this process is as clear as our others ;-P
[10:54] <mdz> ajmitch: it should point to the participate page, probably
[10:54] <mdz> EstevaoProcopio present?
[10:54] <ajmitch> he's the same
[10:54] <bddebian> ?
[10:54] <ajmitch> came into IRC the other day asking how to help out
[10:55] <ajmitch> haven't seen him since
[10:55] <mdz> ok
[10:55] <ogra> LATHIAT !
[10:55] <bddebian> +++
[10:55] <mdz> TrentLloyd
[10:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat is an obvious choice :)
[10:55] <ivoks> he isn't a member?!
[10:55] <Lathiat> yes, i am, as of last week
[10:55] <ivoks> of motu?
[10:55] <ogra> he's a member
[10:55] <mdz> TrentLloyd = Lathiat
[10:55] <ajmitch> ivoks: wait a few minutes
[10:55] <Lathiat> hi, btw :)
[10:55] <ogra> not yet
[10:55] <ogra> yup
[10:55] <Keybuk> sabdfl: could the team membership page show nicknames as well? :p
[10:55] <Nafallo> Lathiat = avahi :-)
[10:55] <ivoks> ajmitch: ;)
[10:55] <slomo> Lathiat++
[10:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat has done some great work, GL/GLU transition, unmet deps
[10:56] <ivoks> ++^8
[10:56] <ajmitch> avahi upstream & packaging, which got in today :)
[10:56] <bddebian> Aye Lathiat rocks
[10:56] <Lathiat> I'm pretty much planning to continue working on fixing broken packages, I'm also interested in Universe Security I was talking to pitti yesterday to that effect
[10:56] <ajmitch> ogra: think rendezvous^Wbonjour ;)
[10:56] <ogra> :)
[10:56] <Lathiat> ogra: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi
[10:57] <siretart> I also sponsored lathiat uploads, he has now some experience with gl/glu dependencies, we made quite some transitions in breezy about that ;)
[10:57] <dholbach> Lathiat: astharot will be grateful
[10:57] <\sh> Lathiat is quite excellent...:) I wonder he is not a motu until today ;)
[10:57] <Lathiat> didnt realise i was so loved :)
[10:57] <ogra> :)
[10:57] <ivoks> Lathiat: you aren't... you payed us for this :)
[10:57] <Lathiat> here was me thinking i'd have to slip sabdfl a 50
[10:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: sshh
[10:58] <ivoks> ups, wrong channel :)
[10:58] <Nafallo> lol
[10:58] <Lathiat> err, are
[10:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: busy waiting for the MOTU cheerleaders to quieten
[10:59] <Keybuk> listening ;)
[10:59] <Keybuk> can't get a word in edgeways
[10:59] <Keybuk> +1 from me
[10:59] <mdz> Lathiat: just remembering you being impatient in #ubuntu-devel ;-)
[10:59] <Keybuk> though you need to add yourself to launchpad.net and stuff
[11:00] <Lathiat> me, impatient? hrm.. sounds plausible ;)
[11:00] <mdz> Lathiat: you need to apply for membership in  launchpad
[11:00] <Lathiat> mdz: ok
[11:00] <sabdfl> sorry, i'm trawling through LP trying to find quick fixes to this horrible UI
[11:00] <mdz> Lathiat: now, if possible
[11:01] <Lathiat> loading it now
[11:01] <sabdfl>  +1 for Lathiat - and welcome aboard
[11:01] <\sh> well...no wonder Lathiat is fast as hell....17 years old...I'm feeling old
[11:01] <mdz> Lathiat: the team is
[11:01] <mdz> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev
[11:01] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I met him last year when he was leading a miniconf at LCA :)
[11:01] <ogra> yeah, Lathiat !
[11:01] <jbailey> \sh: Ubuntu is designed to make one feel old, I think. ;)
[11:01] <Lathiat> slight problem in that my key is not in the strongly connected set atm (well actually its not signed at all.. my old key was possible compromised and as such revoked).. but I can remedy that sometime soon
[11:01] <ogra> jbailey, youre not even over 30, come on :)
[11:02] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe...imagine I could be his father ,-)
[11:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: there'll be someone around in perth to sign, right/
[11:02] <Lathiat> jamesh, davyd among others
[11:02] <ajmitch> no problem then
[11:02] <Lathiat> exactly :)
[11:02] <slomo> Lathiat: congrats :)
[11:02] <Lathiat> hrm, i logged into launchpad and my 'overview' page is blank
[11:03] <Lathiat> hrm ok dropped +login off the end and its ok now
[11:03] <mdz> Lathiat: yes, that happens
[11:03] <Lathiat> ermm, it says I am a memebr and approved
[11:03] <mdz> +1 from me, by the way
[11:03] <\sh> Lathiat: welcome on board :)
[11:03] <ivoks> Lathiat: welcome to lp :)
[11:03] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you were approved at CC meeting, right?
[11:03] <Lathiat> or you mean of MOTU?
[11:03] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yep
[11:03] <ajmitch> so that's right then
[11:04] <Lathiat> sorry just thought mdz meant i wasnt in that team
[11:04] <Lathiat> ok so the motu team... where do i go to join that
[11:04] <slomo> Lathiat: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+join
[11:04] <ogra> Lathiat, i'll add you....
[11:05] <Lathiat> ok
[11:05] <Lathiat> thanks guys :)
[11:05] <bddebian> We are talking about old people? :-)
[11:05] <\sh> bddebian: u want to say, that we approved today a young one and an old fart? ,-)
[11:05] <ajmitch> so that's +1 from the TB for Lathiat, congrats :)
[11:06] <bddebian> \sh: Aye ;-)
[11:06] <Keybuk> ajmitch: +3 ...
[11:06] <mdz> yes, just waiting for launchpad
[11:06] <Lathiat> can stop pestering ajmitch now? :)
[11:06] <Keybuk> mdz: wasn't that a play ?
[11:06] <ajmitch> Keybuk: yeah, I meant +1 from each :)
[11:06] <bddebian> Lathiat: Hehe, me too though I may never stop :-)
[11:06] <Keybuk> perhaps a musical
[11:06] <Keybuk> "Launchpad, The Musical"
[11:06] <bddebian> heh
[11:06] <dholbach> hihi
[11:06] <mdz> sabdfl: "show members" is hanging forever now
[11:07] <ogra> add members too
[11:07] <ivoks> mdz: LP is hanging
[11:07] <Nafallo> hmm, what's next? :-)
[11:07] <ivoks> all parts of it
[11:08] <\sh> ajmitch is next i think
[11:08] <siretart> hm. lp works for me *duck* :)
[11:08] <slomo> works for me too ;)
[11:08] <ogra> siretart, bah, thats your proxy :)
[11:08] <bddebian> Does for me too now
[11:09] <ogra> yup
[11:10] <bddebian> ajmitch ++ for main :-)
[11:10] <ivoks> i'm affraid motu cheerleading will have no effect on main :)
[11:10] <bddebian> heh
[11:10] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes :)
[11:11] <mdz> Keybuk: hmm?
[11:11] <bddebian> ivoks: I know but it was worth a shot ;-)
[11:11] <Lathiat> we can cheer anyway
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch rocks? ;p
[11:11] <mdz> I was waiting for sabdfl to tell us what's up with launchpad
[11:11] <Keybuk> mdz: I can't figure out which button to push for Lathiat, so you do it
[11:11] <Keybuk> it came back on its own
[11:11] <mdz> oh
[11:11] <mdz> done
[11:11] <mdz> Lathiat: welcome aboard
[11:11] <sabdfl> welcome, Lathiat
[11:11] <bddebian> Yay Lathiat
[11:12] <Lathiat> mdz: thanks
[11:12] <mdz> next ajmitch for core developer?
[11:12] <Keybuk> ajmitch: what would you like to accomplish if you had main upload rights?
[11:13] <jbailey> Wow, looking in my logs, I've been hacking with ajmitch since at least 2001.
[11:13] <ajmitch> Keybuk: I'd like to help first of all with mono, zope, and also general bug fixing where allowed
[11:13] <ajmitch> jbailey: it's been awhile :)
[11:13] <dholbach> ajmitch has my  +  for sure: he's been around since the beginning of the MOTUs, he was always around, he's a debian developer and took care of not just trivial stuff
[11:14] <mdz> jbailey: anything subjective to say? ;-)
[11:15] <jbailey> mdz: He's been pleasant to work with.  I sponsored his packages through the Debian NM process.  He's friendly and helpful and seamlingly logged into and active ono every channel I go to.
[11:15] <mdz> ajmitch: zope is currently in universe ;-)
[11:15] <ajmitch> mdz: main inclusion reports have been written though :)
[11:15] <jbailey> I trust him and fixes that he does.
[11:15] <ajmitch> not sure if doko was going to push that onto the queue for breezy now
[11:16] <jbailey> I was surprised going through my logs that it had been so long. =)  2001 logs from GNUe and Hurd channels.
[11:16] <ajmitch> jbailey: I haven't really been stalking you :)
[11:16] <dholbach> hurdubuntu! :)
[11:16] <mdz> ajmitch: do you have any long term goals for development in main?
[11:16] <doko> mdz, ajmitch: I want it in main, if possible. the InclusionReports are partly reviewed
[11:16] <ajmitch> mdz: ideally selinux support, which I didn't get ready due to some ugly patching
[11:17] <bddebian> dholbach: Amen brother! ;-)
[11:17] <ajmitch> mdz: I'm also in the debian mono team, so I want to see some of those usable for breezy+1 in main
[11:17] <mdz> ajmitch: you've been very active in MOTU and we appreciate your efforts there
[11:18] <mdz> sabdfl: any questions from you regarding ajmitch?
[11:18] <sabdfl> none, +1 from me, on the basis of great dev contributions to date
[11:18] <mdz> Keybuk: ready to vote?
[11:19] <Keybuk> just one more question from me
[11:19] <Keybuk> ajmitch: if you could take ownership of one of the unfinished BreezyGoals for breezy+1, which would it be?
[11:19] <sabdfl> no pressure
[11:20] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:20] <ivoks> like questions for miss
[11:20] <bddebian> Hmm
[11:20] <mdz> Keybuk: only one? but there is so much fun to be had there, who could choose just one project...
[11:20] <ogra> :)
[11:20] <Nafallo> mdz: agreed :-)
[11:21] <ajmitch> apart from selinux & mono, I'd do ServerTeam
[11:21] <Keybuk> mdz: it was either that, or "if your distro was on fire and you could take out only one thing, what would it be?"
[11:21] <ajmitch> at a quick pick
[11:21] <Nafallo> woo! ajmitch++++
[11:21] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:21] <bddebian> Keybuk: definetly emacs!
[11:21] <ivoks> serverteam?
[11:21] <Keybuk> ok
[11:21] <ajmitch> so many good goals to choose from
[11:22] <Keybuk> +1 from me, on jbailey's recommendation, my five minutes looking at your packages and general support
[11:22] <mdz> +1 for ajmitch from me
[11:22] <sabdfl> ajmitch: welcome aboard!
[11:22] <Keybuk> welcome to main
[11:22] <ajmitch> thanks
[11:22] <siretart> grats ajmitch!
[11:22] <bddebian> w00t ajmitch
[11:22] <jbailey> ajmitch: !!! =)
[11:22] <ogra> congrats ajmitch
[11:22] <dholbach> excellent, andrew!
[11:22] <dholbach> :)
[11:22] <ivoks> ajmitch is new miss of 20050906!
[11:22] <bddebian> hehe
[11:23] <slomo> congrats ajmitch :)
[11:23] <\sh> ajmitch: congrats :)
[11:23] <mdz> next agenda item is from AnteKaramatic)
[11:23] <ivoks> that would be me
[11:23] <mdz> regarding upload privileges
[11:23] <ogra> ivoks
[11:23] <mdz> ivoks: has the launchpad discussion answered some of your questions?
[11:23] <ivoks> acctually this topic is of concer for more motus
[11:23] <ivoks> mdz: yes, my case is pretty clear
[11:23] <mdz> what is the issue?
[11:23] <ivoks> but others still have issues and don't know how to resolve them
[11:24] <ivoks> LP doesn't support sign-only PGP keys
[11:24] <mdz> why would you want to use such a key?
[11:24] <ivoks> but, afaik, that problem is related only to my key
[11:24] <sabdfl> ivoks: cprov is responsible for that code, pls nudge him
[11:24] <ivoks> sabdfl: allready did, he's working on it
[11:24] <sabdfl> ok
[11:25] <ivoks> mdz: eh, it's not problem create new one...
[11:25] <ivoks> but...
[11:25] <ivoks> there are others with good keys and still have problems
[11:25] <ivoks> please, raise your hands guys
[11:25] <mdz> specifically who and what problems?
[11:25] <Nafallo> slomo: ping? ;-)
[11:25] <slomo> mdz: me for example ;)
[11:25] <mdz> slomo: what is your situation?
[11:25] <ivoks> Mithrandir too, IIRC
[11:26] <elmo> WTF?
[11:26] <elmo> Mithrandir does NOT have problems
[11:26] <ivoks> sorry
[11:26] <ogra> Mithrandir ??
[11:26] <ivoks> tab :)
[11:26] <ajmitch> mitario?
[11:26] <slomo> i have a signed key in LP since july, mailed mako with it many times and got no positive response yet... so no upload rights yet
[11:26] <ivoks> yep
[11:26] <elmo> ivoks: I don't know why you're bring this up at the TB
[11:26] <elmo> we discussed it at the CC
[11:26] <mdz> slomo: mako?
[11:26] <elmo> to be honest bringing it up at the TB which mako and I aren't at, is at best unhelpful
[11:26] <slomo> mdz: i was told to send it to him... that was 1 1/2 months ago
[11:27] <sabdfl> slomo: your key, or a signed Code of Conduct?
[11:27] <elmo> to recap the CC meeting: there was some confusion on procedures and what/who was handling CoC
[11:27] <elmo> that's been resolved, and I've been working with the launchpad team this week, so I can use CoC from LP
[11:27] <slomo> sabdfl: signed CoC... there were some problems but these are solved since 1 month
[11:27] <mdz> slomo: have you signed it in launchpad?
[11:27] <slomo> elmo: ok, then everything is clear now :)
[11:27] <slomo> mdz: sure... since july
[11:27] <elmo> slomo: dude, nothing's changed since this CC
[11:27] <mdz> slomo: some of the confusion arises from that transition
[11:27] <elmo> well, ok, something has, but still.. this really isn't ince of you guys
[11:28] <ivoks> ok, then it's clear
[11:28] <ivoks> signing CoC should be done only on LP?
[11:28] <ogra> ivoks, now, yes
[11:28] <elmo> ivoks: from now on, yes
[11:28] <mdz> yes, going forward all of this should be done in LP
[11:28] <mdz> no more mailing random people and losing track
[11:29] <\sh> we have to update the wiki
[11:29] <ogra> yup
[11:29] <Nafallo> \sh: do that! :-)
[11:29] <slomo> mdz: ok, sounds good :)
[11:29] <sabdfl> ogra: why maintain a separate list of MOTU in the wiki?
[11:29] <elmo> mdz: (for versions of random meaning well definied for almost a year members of the CC, but yeah, whatever)
[11:29] <bddebian> While you folks are at it, please make siretart a member :-)
[11:29] <elmo> sabdfl: he means the instructions
[11:29] <sabdfl> ok
[11:29] <siretart> that would be great :)
[11:30] <mdz> \sh: will you take responsibility for updating the wiki instructions?
[11:30] <ogra> sabdfl, we have linked all our worklists and todo lists from that page... so the MOTU page itself should stay...
[11:30] <\sh> mdz: well...I came up with it .. so I have to do it :)
[11:30] <mdz> \sh: thanks
[11:30] <ogra> sabdfl, i'll link the launchpad motu team from the wiki
[11:30] <mdz> ogra: but it should link to launchpad for a member list
[11:30] <sabdfl> ok, yes, the page itself, just not the list of motu people in the wiki
[11:30] <mdz> ogra: let's sync up after the meeting and get the ubuntu-dev team up to date
[11:30] <sabdfl> i'll try to improve the UI for that over the weekend
[11:31] <\sh> elmo: short question: are u picking up the keys from LP then, or the mail to keyring@ is a must?
[11:31] <sabdfl> especially if someone pings me about it friday afternoon ;-)
[11:31] <ogra> mdz, yup
[11:31] <ivoks> \sh: only LP
[11:31] <elmo> \sh: for now, a mail to keyring is still needed
[11:31] <ivoks> doh
[11:31] <mdz> sabdfl: I expect to be asleep friday afternoon having been up all night for preview ;-)
[11:31] <\sh> elmo: ok..so the upload page stays until further notice ,-)
[11:32] <ivoks> i need a good sleep
[11:32] <mdz> elmo: launchpad still can't dump keys for you?
[11:32] <sabdfl> mdz: it can
[11:32] <sabdfl> but
[11:32] <ogra> sabdfl, hmm, there is no way yet to have irc nicks in the memberlist ?
[11:32] <sabdfl> let's wait till we are running LP for breezy+1
[11:33] <elmo> mdz: it can, but katie's not going to use it
[11:33] <sabdfl> ogra: easy to have launchpad nicks, which will usually be the same
[11:33] <elmo> mdz: I'll get it so the mail to keyring part isn't needed within a week or so
[11:33] <ogra> sabdfl, okay..
[11:33] <mdz> elmo: even if you don't use it verbatim, it seems easier for you to pull them from LP than to deal with all the emails
[11:34] <mdz> we're over time here; is there any other business to discuss?
[11:34] <sabdfl> ok, that will get done
[11:34] <siretart> could anyone add me to lp ubuntumembers team please?
[11:34] <bddebian> siretart: You beat me to it :-)
[11:35] <mdz> siretart: membership is a CC matter; best to take it to one of them
[11:35] <elmo> mdz: I just said that?
[11:35] <mdz> elmo: yes, I type slowly
[11:35] <mdz> not hearing any other business...once...twice...
[11:36] <mdz> meeting adjourned
[11:36] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[11:36] <sabdfl> siretart: done
[11:36] <ogra> zhaks mdz
[11:36] <Keybuk> heh, speed meeting-closing
[11:36] <siretart> sabdfl: you ROCK! THANKS!
[11:36] <dholbach> thanks matt, good night everybody
[11:36] <ogra> urgs
[11:36] <\sh> thanks to you mdz/keybuck/sabdfl/elmo and all the others
[11:36] <ogra> thanks indeed
[11:36] <sabdfl> I ROCK! YES! YES!
[11:36] <sabdfl> ;-)
[11:36] <bddebian> Gnight folks, thanks all!
[11:36] <sabdfl> cheers all
[11:36] <ivoks> :)
[11:36] <ogra> lol
[11:36] <dholbach> :)
[11:36] <Keybuk> siretart: please don't encourage him
[11:36] <Keybuk> ;)
[11:36] <ivoks> thanks to all
[11:36] <bddebian> hehe
[11:36] <sabdfl> keybuck. i like it.
[11:36] <ivoks> elmo: nhf?
[11:36] <ajmitch> sabdfl: you don't watch #u-motu enough, we see that sort of thing everyday there :)
[11:36] <siretart> you guys all rock! grats to the newcomers, I love the admins here! :)
[11:36] <Keybuk> sabdfl: it's better than "keybum"
[11:36] <Nafallo> thanx all :-)
[11:37] <sabdfl> or bumkey, for that matter
[11:37] <Nafallo> and congrats to all approved people :-)
[11:37] <Lathiat> thanks heaps guys
[11:37] <bddebian> Heh
[11:37] <ogra> Lathiat, hey, i thought that was for the beer in -motu now...
[11:37] <\sh> Lathiat: u will need your 50 bucks for the beer ,-)
[11:38] <ivoks> few beers
[11:38] <bddebian> Heh, aye
[11:38] <\sh> ogra: *clapp* ,-)
[11:38] <ogra> heh
[11:38] <Lathiat> :)
[11:38] <mvo> hm, beer
[11:38] <bddebian> OK folks I have to head home.  Thanks again.
[11:39] <\sh> mvo: fiege pils especially for you ;)
[11:39] <Lathiat> be cool if i get to goto UBZ, my 18th is in th emiddle of it, sounds like a good recipe for disaster :)
[11:39] <mvo> \sh: hehe
[11:39] <siretart> bye bddebian
[11:39] <JaneW> Lathiat: hehe
[11:39] <ajmitch> Lathiat: oh yes
[11:39] <\sh> cu bddebian good night :)
[11:39] <ivoks> bdubuntu
[11:39] <ajmitch> Lathiat: birthday on the day off sounds dangerous
[11:39] <bddebian> heh
[11:39] <Lathiat> i will need it then, no one buying me err, soft drink, all the time
[11:40] <Lathiat> ajmitch: have a chance to look at ipac-ng?
[11:41] <Lathiat> err, -EWIN


[01:39] <acheronuk> interesting http://freegeekchicago.org/buy
[01:40] <acheronuk> "All FreeGeek Chicago systems are pre-installed with either Xubuntu or Kubuntu, with both being fast, simple, and beautiful desktop operating systems."
[05:54] <knome> acheronuk, you can read more about that on https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-at-freegeek-chicago/
[07:53] <acheronuk> knome: :)
[18:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r521 Fix background color in entries with warning style... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[20:19] <Unit193> garcon and xfconf made it out of NEW.


[18:52] <cornfeedhobo> hello, i am in desperate need of help; i am tired of uploading failed images
[18:52] <cornfeedhobo> i am building a lvm+xfs centos7 machine, and cloud-init won't grow the root filesystem no matter what i try
[18:53] <cornfeedhobo> i have make sure growpart is available and lvm + xfs tools
[18:53] <cornfeedhobo> made*
[19:15] <smoser> growpart does not work on lvm devices.
[19:16] <smoser> natorious, thought he might add taht support, or might have another solution for you.
[19:16] <smoser> cornfeedhobo, ^
[19:20] <cornfeedhobo> that explains alot
[19:39] <cornfeedhobo> you would think lvm support would be more demanded. it makes dealing with a few things much better
[20:08] <cornfeedhobo> natorious: i would be interested in hearing what you would suggest
[20:40] <smoser> cornfeedhobo, i am becomming more interested in it.
[20:40] <smoser> but largely lvm is not that improtant in "cloud" . stricktly because yoru OS disk is just easilyi small and ptu other things on other disks.
[20:44] <cornfeedhobo> well, for example, resizing
[20:45] <cornfeedhobo> without lvm on aws, you must stop, detach. snapshot. relauch as larger. resize.
[20:45] <cornfeedhobo> with, you just create a new volume, attach, add to lvm, resize
[20:45] <cornfeedhobo> its a bit like a jbod then, but no downtime
[20:46] <smoser> ok. the response woudl be that you should not do that on your OS disk
[20:46] <smoser> that make sense ? i do see the value, and woudl accept patches to cloud-init or growpart.
[20:47] <smoser> but just keep your data on an ebs volume that you make an lvm on
[20:47] <smoser> and keep your os disk small and OS only.
[20:49] <cornfeedhobo> hmmm
[20:51] <cornfeedhobo> ya there is some logic to that, isn't there
[20:57] <cornfeedhobo> smoser: i'll brb. i also had a plan ext4 image that wasn't expanding also, but i think i know what that problem was. should be back around in about an hour and a half


[17:48] <mamarley> tseliot: I just noticed that the nvidia-graphics-drivers-384 package you uploaded doesn't take into account the fact that libEGL is now handled by GLVND.  If you look at the "rules" file for one of the PPA uploads of 384, you can see what I did to fix that.
[17:48] <mamarley> Oh wait, he's not here…


[12:37] <ashams> hi seiflotfy
[12:45] <seiflotfy> hi ashams
[12:45] <seiflotfy> whats up
[12:46] <seiflotfy> hey thelinuxer
[12:46] <thelinuxer> hi seiflotfy :)
[12:46] <seiflotfy> how r u guys
[12:46] <thelinuxer> fine el 7amdulelah, how r u ?
[12:47] <seiflotfy> fine too alh
[13:15] <ashams> thelinuxer, hey man, remeber this mail? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-eg/2012-March/005015.html
[13:17] <thelinuxer> ashams: brb on the phone
[13:17] <ashams> ok
[13:19] <seiflotfy> i rpleied
[13:19] <seiflotfy> ashams: check the mail
[13:19] <ashams> ok
[13:21] <ashams> seiflotfy, that's great
[13:21] <ashams> I like reporting monthly
[13:21] <ashams> I tkink the dev group can adopt this
[13:28] <thelinuxer> ashams: and I replied too
[13:28] <thelinuxer> and sure the dev group can adopt this
[14:11] <elacheche_anis> ashams, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/ubuntu-1210-codename-announced-quantal.html
[14:11] <elacheche_anis> ping thelinuxer
[14:11] <thelinuxer> hi elacheche_anis
[14:12] <thelinuxer> they always choose the weirdest names!
[14:12] <elacheche_anis> lool.. yeah that's what I was thinking about too..  :D
[15:54] <Wazery> el7amd leleah tama
[15:54] <Wazery> tamam*
[15:54] <ashams> el7l
[15:54] <Wazery> 3ala fekra
[15:54] <ashams> yes
[15:55] <Wazery> the final date is 20 april
[15:55] <Wazery> fel doodle
[15:55] <ashams> we made a new one
[15:55] <ashams> one sec
[15:56] <ashams> shit it's true
[15:56] <ashams> I'll fix it
[15:58] <ashams> Wazery, you are right
[15:58] <ashams> it has wrong dates
[15:58] <Wazery> ok
[15:58] <ashams> I think it's better to leave it as it is
[15:58] <ashams> and go with days names only
[15:58] <Wazery> or new one?
[15:59] <ashams> ok
[15:59] <ashams> I'll make a new one now
[15:59] <ashams> one sec


[02:16] <Fallenour> @rick_h, hey rick, do you recommend snap or apt for lxd HA clouster deployments
[02:16] <Fallenour> @bdx, manadart
[18:23] <rick_h> Fallenour:  snap
[18:23] <rick_h> Fallenour:  and if you use juju on bionic+ (well 2.7 will) we manage lxd as a snap on the systems


[11:30] <mineStile> Hello
[11:31] <slickymasterWork> !hi | mineStile
[12:27] <sima> I sometimes can't open thunar after login (17.10)
[12:28] <sima> but after some waiting time, it opens multiple windows that I used to request while waiting
[12:28] <sima> now it happens again, I click File manager and nothing happens
[12:29] <sima> and it opened from terminal and now opens from menu
[12:41] <sima> don't know how to change place of audio level displaying overlay, becaus eit coincides with actual volume control in the panel and I cna't see volume control because of that black overlay.
[12:50] <Hexachord> I have some issues with my xubuntu system's package management and this system is too weak to run firefox without crash, can somebody provide me a method of getting a lighter browser up so I can hit the web with my issues?
[12:53] <sima> how much RAM do you actually have?
[12:59] <Hexachord> sima: Around 250m.
[13:00] <sima> Hexachord, maybe using Seamonkey (iceape under Debian) or Midori?
[13:00] <sima> Text-based browsers are lynx and links
[13:02] <sima> https://alternativeto.net/software/firefox/?license=opensource&platform=linux
[13:03] <Hexachord> sima: Yeah thanks, the issue is with the package manager. How can I get lynx or some other without it? I can't hop online and grab the sources and all of the dependencies due to the inability to run a browser.
[13:05] <sima> you can download .deb file and use sudo dpkg -i , directly on it
[13:05] <Hexachord> and how?
[13:07] <sima> packages.ubuntu com says it is lynx, lynx-common and lynx-cur
[13:07] <sima> you can try instlaling aptitude maybe ?
[13:07] <sima> so installing lynx with 'sudo apt-get install lynx' does not work?
[13:08] <Hexachord> Not at all.
[13:08] <sima> uname -a says you are using 32-bit?
[13:08] <Hexachord> correct.
[13:08] <sima> what does it say, not enough RAM to install?
[13:09] <sima> can you pastebin output it or not?
[13:10] <Hexachord> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[13:10] <Hexachord> of running of apt-get -f install.
[13:10] <sima> yes try it
[13:11] <Hexachord> I get an error also.
[13:11] <Hexachord> Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:11] <Hexachord>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-4.13.0-37-generic_4.13.0-37.42~16.04.1_i386.deb
[13:11] <sima> sudo apt-get update ?
[13:12] <sima> do you target archive.ubuntu.com or some mirror?
[13:13] <Hexachord> I don't know, how do I check?
[13:13] <sima> with sudo apt-get update or sudo apt update
[13:14] <sima> it is set in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:14] <Hexachord>  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/
[13:15] <sima> I have one 512MB machine with 16.04 32bit, but I needed to use ubuntu minimal image to install and i don;t use X graphics on it
[13:16] <sima> us us US mirror. if targeting archive.ubuntu.com it is located on some island between europe and UK but usually you get better results then with mirrors, that might be out of sync sometimes (at least some years ago it were the case)
[13:17] <Hexachord> How do I change the mirror?
[13:18] <sima> you can just edit that file with 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and change every line where us.archive.ubuntu.com is to archive.ubuntu.com to avoid using mirror.
[13:19] <sima> Also you can try logging out and using text console (Ctrl+Alt+F2 , F3 ) and kill X session to frees some RAM for installing operations
[13:20] <sima> I think that sudo pkill lightdm might do it after logging out
[13:20] <sima> after update, sudo reboot.
[13:22] <sima> someone said, systemctl disable lightdm.service to stop loading X session on load, by default  or with systemctl disable display-manager
[13:33] <sima> I also like 'aptitude' command more then apt and so


[06:15] <popey> morning
[06:33] <nigelb> Morning popey!
[06:36] <AlanBell> morning
[06:36] <AlanBell> 5 hours left popey, use it wisely
[06:37] <nigelb> I thought it was already over!
[06:37] <popey> ☺
[06:37] <nigelb> That looks big in Ubuntu font!
[06:37] <nigelb> (twss, yeah :P)
[06:37] <popey> it looks great
[06:38] <nigelb> I'll miss the old CC, always active behind the curtain :)
[06:39] <nigelb> Morning dholbach!
[06:39] <nigelb> Anyone knows when the poll go out?
[06:39] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[06:39] <dholbach> which poll?
[06:39] <nigelb> New CC!
[06:40] <AlanBell> you expired last night dholbach :)
[06:40] <dholbach> everything is prepared, we just need to resolve a final question
[06:40] <dholbach> I hope to get it out there today
[06:40] <nigelb> dholbach: The answer is 42! :D
[06:40] <dholbach> thanks nigelb :)
[06:41] <nigelb> heh
[06:42] <nigelb> The office is empty today! There's like about 4 people per floor. Instead of about 25 to 30-ish
[06:42] <nigelb> (2 days of holiday, followed by one working day, followed by 2 days of holiday)
[06:43] <popey> ☺
[07:32] <dpm> good morning all!
[07:32] <nigelb> Morning dpm!
[07:32] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[07:55] <kim0> morning all
[08:04] <dholbach> hi kim0
[08:10] <kim0> dholbach: howdy man
[08:31] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:00]  * popey hugs dholbach
[09:04] <czajkowski> can I get one too ......:(
[09:14] <popey> I didnt think you liked hugs
[09:16] <czajkowski> need one today
[09:17] <czajkowski> this whole week has been one long disaster
[09:17] <czajkowski> but arrving in for a 9:30 meeting to be told A) it's on elesehwere and B) forgot to tell me I didnt need to be at it
[09:17] <czajkowski> kinda sucks
[09:18]  * dholbach hugs you all
[09:18]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach
[10:40]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski
[10:40] <czajkowski> Pendulum: *hugs*
[10:42]  * jussi has voted! :D
[10:53] <nigelb> popey: around?
[10:53] <popey> hello
[10:53] <nigelb> popey: heh, help!  :D
[11:24] <akgraner> yep - I am taking the kids to band camp this morning then back here to fix it :-)
[12:49] <AlanBell> popey: Emmet Hikory doesn't expire until next year
[12:49] <nigelb> I did wonder about that.
[12:49] <nigelb> Maybe his term was for a year since he only stepped up for nixternal?
[12:52] <dholbach> AlanBell, nigelb is right - Emmet was picked from the elections results of the year before when nixternal stepped down
[12:52] <dholbach> this was done to avoid having yet another election
[12:53] <AlanBell> ok
[12:53] <dholbach> technically the "people's support" was for that term
[12:53] <akgraner> jussi - ok I think it's organized a bit better :-)  you can tell me if I missed something ...
[12:53] <dholbach> it was just never reflected in LP
[12:53] <jussi> akgraner: link me again?
[12:53] <AlanBell> I was just checking it was deliberate
[12:53] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmberGraner
[12:54] <dholbach> thanks AlanBell, nigelb
[12:54] <nigelb> dholbach: Thanks for confirming :)
[12:54] <nigelb> akgraner: It looks much better!
[12:54] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[12:55] <akgraner> nigelb,  - I am sure I left something out :-/
[12:56]  * popey updates his blog post
[12:58] <dholbach> thanks popey
[12:58] <popey> np
[12:58] <popey> wonder how many people will vote
[12:59] <popey> out of what, 700 or so?
[12:59] <czajkowski> with a week to do it
[12:59] <czajkowski> that alone is interesting
[12:59] <nigelb> popey: we're 700 now? neat.
[12:59] <AlanBell> 687 humans
[12:59] <AlanBell> 1 bot
[12:59] <nigelb> aha, 687.
[13:00] <dholbach> 686 actually
[13:00] <dholbach> there was scott and scott-canonical in there
[13:00] <dholbach> but I haven't had the time yet to find out why there's 2 Scotts
[13:00] <nigelb> ah.
[13:00] <nigelb> lol
[13:00] <dholbach> if somebody wants to investigate, please do
[13:00] <dholbach> I just made sure he just has one vote :)
[13:01] <nigelb> I there was a work ID vs volunteering ID.
[13:01] <nigelb> *I guess
[13:01] <nigelb> wait a minute.
[13:01] <nigelb> scott-canonical?
[13:01] <nigelb> Doesn't exist.
[13:01] <AlanBell> ah, yes 686, I counted the header row on my spreadsheet :)
[13:01] <nigelb> AlanBell: haha :D
[13:01] <AlanBell> I had no duplicate scott
[13:01] <dholbach> sorry, canonical-scott
[13:02] <nigelb> so, 685?
[13:02] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-scott - https://launchpad.net/~scott
[13:02] <AlanBell> then again . . .
[13:02] <dholbach> 686
[13:02] <jussi> i
[13:02] <popey> o
[13:02] <dholbach> in any case it's lunch time over here
[13:02] <dholbach> if you find out anything, let me know
[13:02] <popey> :D
[13:02] <jussi> popey: no... i686 :P
[13:02] <AlanBell> I agree on the 686
[13:02] <popey> ahhh
[13:03] <nigelb> jussi: heh
[13:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: so outta the 686 how many are women ?
[13:47] <pleia2> czajkowski: 4.97%
[13:47] <pleia2> we keep track on http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers has stats
[13:47] <czajkowski> pleia2: deadly
[13:48] <pleia2> it's worth noting that those are only ones who people have met and/or who have come out in public somehow (blog, wiki testimonials, etc) with a female gender
[13:49] <pleia2> without a doubt (it's always the case in open source) there are members who haven't disclosed their gender
[13:51] <czajkowski> nods
[13:51] <czajkowski> of course
[14:03] <akgraner> awesome stats!  Thanks AlanBell for tracking that....
[14:04] <akgraner> pleia2, I know this brings a smile to your face - Did you think it take this long to reach almost 5% when you were working to establish the UW Team...
[14:08] <18VAACABT> dholbach: question on the voting - if I rank 3 people #1, does that help or their chance, as opposed to ranking them 1, 2, 3?
[14:08] <popey> it helps them compared to others :D
[14:09] <18VAACABT> popey: ok, so it's better to have three #1s than ranking them 1,2,3, -thanks!
[14:09] <popey> dunno if it's "better"
[14:09] <popey> it doesnt help in a runoff between them
[14:10] <pleia2> akgraner: we actually hit 5% last november and then it dropped :\ we're approaching 5 again
[14:10] <popey> but i am not the best person to ask about condorcet voting
[14:10] <popey> there's vast documentation about it online :D
[14:11] <18VAACABT> popey: I'm used to the ones where you just rank the candidates in order, not rank them the same level
[14:13] <popey> yeah, its different isnt it
[14:13] <akgraner> Scott Richie is the one to ask about voting polls
[14:13] <popey> fun though :D
[14:13] <akgraner> he knows all the ends and outs of those things
[14:13] <18VAACABT> how many total places are going to be filled?
[14:14] <popey> 7
[14:14] <popey> it says on the form :D
[14:14] <popey> iirc
[14:14] <dholbach> 18VAACABT, if you need more info, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
[14:21] <erward> dholbach: hey
[14:21] <erward> I was wondering if you had a minute
[14:21] <dholbach> heya erward
[14:22] <dholbach> sure
[14:22] <czajkowski> hmm every time I see erward I keep thinking of jedward http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=w&ix=c2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=jedward
[14:22] <czajkowski> most confusin
[14:22] <erward> ok, Jono has ask me for one of my upcoming action items to be...  "Creat a web page with a set of graphs and metrics to effectively determine growth."
[14:23] <erward> he mentioned you as a reference point for some existing work in this area
[14:24]  * erward thinks about updating my handle to include a j in it
[14:24] <czajkowski> :)
[14:24] <erward> czajkowski: I actually have the same hairstyle as those guys
[14:24] <dholbach> erward, I can help you set up a number of graphs, but I'd suggest having a chat with bdmurray first, because he has set up a bunch of bug-related graphs already
[14:24] <erward> except it is on my back
[14:25] <dholbach> or was this more about testing?
[14:25] <dholbach> because in that case it'll be a bit harder because we can't (at least AFAIK) get data from iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:25] <erward> dholbach: yeah it was for testing
[14:26] <dholbach> so yeah, it's hard to get data out of that thing :)
[14:27] <dholbach> but generally it might make sense to first list numbers you'd like to track in the future
[14:27] <czajkowski> erward: you're not helping your case you know that right :)
[14:27] <erward> I did talk with jibel a little bit about iso.qa.ubuntu.com and testing.qa.ubuntu.com and how it is pretty hard to track any useful reporting mechanisms
[14:27]  * dholbach nods
[14:28] <popey> I spy sabdfl monkeying with the cc and techboard on launchpad :D
[14:28] <erward> which made me look into litmus (https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi)
[14:28] <erward> https://litmus.mozilla.org/test_run_report.cgi?test_run_id=355
[14:29] <dholbach> erward, something like: number of tests/testers per cycle/milestone, test coverage per milestone, time to full test coverage per milestone, found bugs per milestone, etc
[14:29] <erward> yeah, those sound about right for metrics to track
[14:30] <dholbach> if you can come up with a list of things you need from the site, we could try to find out what needs to be done to export this kind of data
[14:31] <erward> ok, thanks for the pointers and I'll continue to dig in further
[14:31] <dholbach> erward, and if it just spits out json or csv data, we could do the graphs separately
[14:32] <erward> k
[14:33] <czajkowski> Happy Ada Lovelace Day, in honor of the world's 1st programmer!
[14:45] <pangolin> I voted, good luck to all who are running for CC.
[14:45] <czajkowski> pangolin: Thanks
[14:46] <pangolin> also, I know a good head shrink if you want :P
[15:06] <AlanBell> pleia2: with the stats, in the very few cases where it has been unclear I have spoken to the person in question, explained the context and asked them how they would like to be counted
[15:08] <pleia2> AlanBell: I've known women who use "obviously male" names in their open source work
[15:13] <AlanBell> yup, that can happen, interestingly the new forums members have been noticably different in the way they use their identity
[15:17] <czajkowski> techincally speaking my nick is male
[15:17] <czajkowski> but feck it by now ye all know me :)
[15:18] <AlanBell> fairly sure I have you classified correctly in the stats :)
[15:18] <mhall119> yeah, czajkowski is obviously male....
[15:19] <mhall119> (the nick, not the person)
[15:22] <czajkowski> mhall119: yup
[15:22] <czajkowski> my nick on college network is cypher
[15:22] <czajkowski> and still to this day most assume they are talking to a bloke
[15:22] <czajkowski> was funny when I'd turn up to events
[15:23] <czajkowski> or um.. run a computer society made up of blokes
[15:24] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/  <- needs updating for the Precise Pangolin
[15:25] <AlanBell> um, is that actually working for people not in my house?
[15:26] <popey> it works from here in your cupboard, yes
[15:26]  * AlanBell checks outside the window to make sure popey isn't wardriving
[15:26] <pangolin> works here AlanBell
[15:27] <pangolin> I'm in your shed though
[15:27] <AlanBell> OK, well you are far enough away pangolin, it must be working
[15:27] <AlanBell> it needs a graphical refresh I think
[15:27] <nigelb> somehow I knew pangolin was idleone
[15:27] <nigelb> Though I did wonder why it wasn't PreciseOne
[15:28] <pangolin> nigelb: you know me so well :)
[15:28] <pangolin> I have that nick also
[15:28] <pangolin> hehe
[15:28] <czajkowski> seriously I don wondering what mark does be on when he comes up with the flipping names
[15:28] <popey> I like them.
[15:28] <nigelb> pangolin: hah
[15:28] <pangolin> I do also, learns me new animals
[15:29] <AlanBell> as I understand it the naming process goes like this
[15:29] <popey> pangolin is already an ubuntu hit on the first page of google
[15:29] <popey> whereas it wasnt last week
[15:29] <AlanBell> sabdfl picks a name, then silbs tells him why he can't have that one and picks another
[15:29] <pleia2> anyone know the status of the RC? people keep asking me about it
[15:30] <nigelb> pleia2: No RC.
[15:30] <pleia2> nigelb: thanks
[15:30] <nigelb> pleia2: Nothing public, but there's some testing thing.
[15:30] <nigelb> Officially though, no RC.
[15:30] <pleia2> nigelb: it's still on the release schedule so people are all confused
[15:30] <AlanBell> just daily live
[15:31] <AlanBell> o/ skaet
[15:31] <nigelb> pleia2: Yeah, I know. I think there was a mail from kate or I saw it in the channel
[15:31] <pleia2> one guy from my loco was waiting for it last night to burn for the ubuntu hour, he went with daily
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[15:45] <dholbach> jcastro, how about a developer session at UOW?
[15:46] <nigelb> I thought UOW was about using Ubuntu nowadays
[15:46] <dholbach> I'm just offering :)
[15:47] <nigelb> heh
[15:53] <jussi> werent we getting rid of UOW?
[15:53] <dholbach> no way
[15:53] <jussi> which was the one that was supposed to die then?
[15:54] <akgraner> dholbach, we used to have them so I think it would be fine :-)  We have new users that want to know more about that stuff...kinda like a teaser for developer and app developer week
[15:54] <akgraner> but that's just my thoughts
[15:54] <pleia2> jussi: user days, but we did a poll and people want us to keep it
[15:54] <jussi> pleia2: oh, ok then
[15:55] <jussi> akgraner: ++, I think a beginners developer session would be perfect
[15:56] <dholbach> great, I guess I'll add myself then
[15:56] <akgraner> pleia2, I think people like the time zones UUD operates in and the fact that it's just one continual day...and on the weekend not weekday - so they don't have to miss work etc.
[15:57] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[15:57] <pleia2> I made some slides for an upcoming 11.10 talk, anyone care to take a look to tell me if I missed anything obvious?
[15:57] <pleia2> (you'll have to ignore a unity jab at the beginning, I know my audience and it's a small group ;))
[15:57] <akgraner> hehe
[15:58] <akgraner> link?
[15:58]  * pleia2 shares in secret
[15:58] <akgraner> k
[15:59] <jussi> as topyli says, there is some ho
[15:59] <dholbach> jcastro, added my session
[15:59] <jussi> hope
[15:59] <jussi> http://falkvinge.net/2011/10/07/huge-pirate-victory-as-eu-party-group-adopts-perspective-on-copyright-monopoly/
[15:59] <dholbach> who's helping jcastro with the organisation of UOW this time around?
[15:59] <dholbach> it looks like we should get a move on getting sessions scheduled
[16:02] <czajkowski> is jcastro alive
[16:02] <czajkowski> he's very quiet
[16:03] <dholbach> I think he's at a conference
[16:04] <czajkowski> ahh
[16:04] <czajkowski> buzy bumble bee
[16:04] <popey> pleia2: I'll look (bored at work)
[16:05] <akgraner> dholbach, me - but I've been a little slack gotta get on the stick and kick some folks
[16:05] <dholbach> a bit of last minute action then :)
[16:06] <dholbach> I'm sure it'll be a great UOW again
[16:06] <akgraner> dholbach, yep - sorry about that
[16:06] <dholbach> no no
[16:06] <dholbach> I didn't mean to complain
[16:07] <akgraner> I didn't take it that way - but you're right - :-)
[16:07]  * akgraner prepares to kick people  - get ready for all my crazy emails...
[16:08] <dholbach> as a team I think we're good at pulling things together, even if it's in the last minute :)
[16:14] <akgraner> dholbach, totally
[16:14] <akgraner> so if you all can kick some people too :-)
[16:14] <akgraner> I'll email the loco-contacts today
[17:21] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:22] <dholbach> have a great WE!
[17:23] <kim0> Enjoy your WE everyone .. see you all on Thu o/
[17:23] <jussi> weekends rule :D
[17:42] <akgraner> Good Grief  - Free software founder, Richard M. Stallman is glad Jobs is gone - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-founder-richard-m-stallman-is-glad-jobs-is-gone/9707
[17:43] <jussi> Im hanging out, if anyone wants to join me :)
[17:45] <jussi> akgraner: glad you finally got to that in your feed reader :P
[17:46] <akgraner> jussi,  some days are full of facepalm...
[17:46] <jussi> akgraner: come hang out with me :D
[17:47] <akgraner> I can't right this second - I'm cooking getting ready for a friend who's coming from out of town
[17:47] <akgraner> so the computer is in the kitchen with me - and well being on camera would not be flattering at them moment
[17:47] <jussi> haha
[17:54] <skaet> AlanBell,  pre-release images are posted for testing on the ISO tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/;  these are dry runs for the official candidates that will be cut on Monday, so testing is much appreciated.
[18:00] <AlanBell> great, I will be doing some screenshots and videos of the accessibility features
[18:01] <AlanBell> and a full transcript of a screen reader install
[18:19] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/precisewords help me update http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk
[18:21] <AlanBell> I will be doing a visual refresh of the site as well
[18:29] <sense> football! Netherlands - Moldavia. Lets hope for our honour that it won't be an interesting game. ;)
[18:34] <popey> Evening everyone!
[19:03] <mhall119> where is jcastro hiding today?
[19:03] <Daviey> mhall119: he is at Openstack Design Summit, Boston.
[19:03] <mhall119> oh, that would explain it
[19:03] <Daviey> I think i left as he arrived. :)
[19:03] <nigelb> Daviey: Why aren't you?
[19:03] <mhall119> Daviey: awesome announcement about HP's cloud product using Ubuntu
[19:03] <nigelb> Or were you there for some parts of it?
[19:04] <Daviey> nigelb: I was at the Summit, Mon-Wed, Thurs and Friday was a conference.
[19:04] <Daviey> I skipped the conference.
[19:04] <nigelb> ah
[19:10]  * czajkowski tickles Daviey
[19:31]  * Daviey giggles like a little lad.


[17:26] <MrFixIt> does anyone know the proper way to restart gnome-calendar and its background processes without needing to restart your system?


[03:17] <ComputerChic> Hi all
[03:25] <chris4585> hello ComputerChic
[03:26] <ComputerChic> chris4585: Hi
[03:26] <ComputerChic> chris4585: How are you?
[03:27] <chris4585> I'm okay, welcome to our channel :)
[03:27] <ComputerChic> ty
[03:27] <chris4585> how are things tonight ComputerChic ?
[03:29] <ComputerChic> Good, Just waking up. Having a cup of coffee.
[03:31] <chris4585> ah good stuff
[03:34] <ComputerChic> Yeah, I haven't been in this channel in a long while.
[03:34] <chris4585> I just really discovered cairo-dock for the first time and I'm hitting myself with my keyboard because I've ignored it in the past...
[03:35] <chris4585> oh okay, well welcome back, it is a little dead right now
[03:36] <ComputerChic> Do you guys ever have group get togethers with people in here?
[03:36] <ComputerChic> Like in person.
[03:36] <ComputerChic> Cairo is a good docky.  I have it on my netbook.
[03:37] <chris4585> I've never been to one, but they can happen and have happened before
[03:39] <ComputerChic> I don't had them. Maybe next time I will go. Might be fun.
[03:39] <ComputerChic> know**
[03:41] <ComputerChic> chris4585: What distros are you running? What is your computing setup?
[03:41]  * chris4585 pokes wrst
[03:42] <chris4585> ComputerChic, I'm currently using Manjaro Linux (based on arch), it is basically the linux mint of arch, and I'm playing with my desktop, but will probably go with compiz stand alone
[03:42] <chris4585> thanks for asking :D
[03:42] <chris4585> same to you?
[03:44] <chris4585> sorry phone
[03:46] <ComputerChic> chris4585: Desktop~ Fedora Kde Spin on an ibm intellistation 500gb hd 16gb ram. Laptop~ Dell Precision m6300 Fedora. Netbook~ Asus Ubuntu netbook remix. Server~ CentOS
[04:45] <chris4585> nice, I'm not really a KDE fan but it does look good
[04:46] <chris4585> I just got an Asus motherboard :)
[18:40] <wrst> greetings chris4585
[18:43] <chris4585> hey wrst
[18:43] <wrst> all going well?
[18:46] <chris4585> yeah, still working on my computer, it still looks like a mess :)
[18:49] <wrst> but as long as it works ;)
[18:50] <chris4585> indeed
[18:50] <chris4585> I had the worst time ever installing linux the other day...
[18:52] <chris4585> after installing windows I wanted manjaro to dual boot, but manjaro needed to be written to my usb and unetbootin doesn't do it correctly... and after wasted several hours I find a windows utility to do it, windisk32 or something
[18:58] <wrst> unetbootin is generally a pain for me
[18:58] <Unit193> LinuxLiveUSB creator for windows seems to be the best. :P
[18:59] <wrst> dd works nicely
[18:59] <Unit193> I either messed up with dd, made an ISO wrong, or am expecting something a tad different.
[19:01] <chris4585> I actually tried dd on my older computer and it didn't seem to be working or user error
[19:01] <chris4585> I've used it before and it worked though
[19:01] <chris4585> so knowing that I installed linux on my spare because I just put in a new/older hdd in it
[19:02] <Unit193> Check if the ISO supports it, fdisk -l xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[19:04] <chris4585> Disk manjaro-xfce-0.8.1-x86_64.iso: 1743 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes, 3405824 sectors
[19:04] <chris4585> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[19:04] <chris4585> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[19:04] <chris4585> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[19:04] <chris4585> Disk identifier: 0x65139cbb
[19:04] <chris4585> I'm going to assume that is a yes?
[19:05] <Unit193> http://pastebin.com/MQAxKnBf That's better.
[19:33] <wrst> a Unit193 spotting in tennessee... oh noes
[19:33]  * wrst wonders what xTEMPLARx is up to


[00:06] <Seven_Six_Two> I was the one who created the page, but it has since become immutable, and is out of date.