[09:22] <alan_g> RAOF: what's happening with the mesa/Mir EGL fix?
[10:07] <RAOF> alan_g (IRC) : it didn't get released today?
[10:08] <RAOF> alan_g: if not, could you please check the excuses page (Google Ubuntu excuses should get you to it) and see what's blocking mesa?
[10:08] <RAOF> Yesterday it was a false-positive in glbinding.
[10:09] <alan_g> RAOF: still on "excuses", if I parse correctly: "autopkgtest for glbinding/2.1.1-1: ... armhf: Regression"
[10:15] <RAOF> Ah, yes.
[10:15] <RAOF> Could you please ping on #ubuntu-release to get that overridden?
[10:16] <RAOF> apw was looking at it yesterday.
[10:16] <alan_g> RAOF: ack


[04:06] <applecuckoo> Hey there, I think I accidentally triggered something with the bot when I was just trying out formatting.
[04:07] <applecuckoo> Just ignore any edit requests from me.
[04:39] <el> (yes i know that ban isn't actually affecting him)


 @Eickmeyer et al: dpf-plugins was rejected details in the bug
 @teward001 Yes, I got that email.
 yep and I just did too :p
 Not hard stuff to fix, but watchfiles baffle me.
 yeah those are evil.  Once things are fixed hit me up.
 Ok, but I have no idea how to do a watch file. I got the release from the github page, so I don't think he investigated.
[16:53] <teward> i commented accordingly in the bug give me a bit
[16:53] <teward> i'll do some work
[16:56] <teward> Eickmeyer: remind me where the GH page is again?
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> teward: https://github.com/DISTRHO/DPF-Plugins/
[17:03] <teward> Eickmeyer: i'll commit a debian/watch
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> teward: ack
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> teward: I'm working on the copyright file. Looks like I just missed those for whatever reason.
[17:05] <teward> ok
[17:05] <teward> unrelated: https://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch#GitHub
[17:06] <teward> this was a good starting point for the watch :)
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> Indeed!
[17:06] <teward> Eickmeyer: we may need the git retagged though it did a version tag :|
[17:06] <teward> or we can always version bump xD
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> Ew
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, falktx likes to put that v in front of everything. :P
[17:08] <teward> no i mean our tag
[17:08] <teward> https://git.launchpad.net/dpf-plugins/tag/?id=1.2-0ubuntu1 <-- probably tagged from upload :|
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> Oh, yeah, that's not good.
[17:09] <teward> AIUI that was your doing :P
[17:09] <teward> by tagging it as 1.2-0ubuntu1
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> teward: I'll delete the tag and retag with a force.
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> As soon as I know you're not doing anything else to it.
[17:09] <teward> i've added the watch.  but lets retag after you fix all the issues sil pointed out
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[17:10] <teward> I am updating the changelog to show the debian/watch was added by me though that's my next commit (I forgot to do it in one commit oops)
[17:10] <teward> though it might not be needed heh
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> That's fine.
[17:12] <teward> Eickmeyer: i did make a rev to debian/copyright, added my name to the debian/* folder copyrights since i've added some things as well (debian/watch)
[17:12] <teward> i haven't pushed it yet i'm waiting :)
[17:15] <teward> unrelated I got PGP mail working on my android phone and my iPad xD
[17:15] <teward> yay for encryption
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> W00t
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> Now, if only PGP encryption was more widespread... :P
[17:19] <teward> :P
[17:20] <teward> I use it for communications with MITRE
[17:20] <teward> and others :P
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> teward: Retaggged, fixed, ready for upload (again)
[18:10] <teward> Eickmeyer: did you drop the versioned dependency in debian/control?
[18:10] <teward> as was suggested by sil?
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> teward: Yes.
[18:11] <teward> hail hydra :P
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> haha
[18:11] <teward> (upload in progress slow as heck though)
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> The servers have been funny lately.
[18:11] <teward> nah the bottleneck is my side
[18:11] <teward> guest wifi at work is slow as heck
[18:12] <teward> compared to my stable connections at home
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> Ah, I see.


[00:30] <apw> Noskcaj, that might be a plymouth issue which just got fixed
[00:32] <TJ-> apw: quick Q on behalf of a user: when is the Wily kernel matching the 4.2.8 stable mainline due? There's some BTRFS bugs the user has suffered from
[00:33] <TJ-> User relies on AUFS too for LXC/LXD so can't simply switch to a mainline build. I suggests the Xenial 4.3.3 but that breaks user's ZFS DKMS module builds :)
[01:01] <apw> TJ-, xenial should have zfs built-in though
[01:02] <apw> TJ-, i would expect 4.2.8 to be in the next upload, but that is likely 5 weeks out
[01:02] <TJ-> apw: I didn't know that; I'll tell the user next time they pop up :)
[01:03] <TJ-> Yes, I thought it'd be next month for 4.2.8.
[14:34] <PETSounds> Hi. Which kernel version best for Intel Skylake?
[14:39] <PETSounds> i am currently on WIly kernel, but the performance is not that smooth. Just wonder if upgrading Kernel and Intel Graphics driver will improve the performance.
[14:47] <apw> PETSounds, hmmm, well vivid was the first one to have any kind of support and that was backported, wily is intended to have native support
[14:47] <apw> PETSounds, that said, it is very new even there, so you might find the xenial 4.3 kernel has some benefits, and we would be interested if so
[14:49] <PETSounds> apw: thanks for your response. What do i need to do to make Broadcom driver doesn't stop working when upgrading Kernel?
[14:50] <apw> PETSounds, bcmwl ?
[14:51] <PETSounds> i upgraded
[14:51] <PETSounds> i upgraded the kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D and WLAN stops working
[14:51] <apw> PETSounds, very likely, if it is bcmwl, you would want to get a copy of that from xenial as well as that is sync'd with the kernel in xenial
[14:52] <apw> PETSounds, note i am talking about the ubuntu archive xenial 4.3 kernel not the ones in mainline-build respository
[14:53] <PETSounds> apw: ahh ok. thank you. i'll try again and report back.
[15:19] <yoasif> any chance anyone can tell me when we can expect a new kernel based on http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1527359 ?
[15:20] <yoasif> looking for fixes http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-wily.git/commit/?h=master-next&id=c7c784296cf04c0757f39aa00c77d12a4f2a5548 and http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-wily.git/commit/?h=master-next&id=9e0d373b6959298b9a07cb2975d04a7aac7e0e23
[15:20] <apw> yoasif, that is already applied to master-next so it should be in the next sru cycle, which is about 5 weeks out with xmas in the way
[15:21] <TJ-> yoasif: aha, I asked apq about this last night. You should be able to use the Xenial kernel since it has the ZFS driver built-in - no need for the DKMS
[15:21] <apw> yoasif, is there a bug filed for your specific issue, is so i could spin you up a test kernel to confirm that the update is what you need
[15:21] <TJ-> s/apq/apw/
[15:22] <yoasif> apw: ouch — so right now i'm running the mainline build from the kernel ppa page but there's no -extras package (so no aufs and docker doesn't work)… any chance there's an easy way to build an extras package for the mainline kernel?
[15:22] <apw> (the bug gives me something to publish against
[15:22] <yoasif> (the issue has been fixed in mainline http://kernel.ubuntu.com/%7Ekernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2.8-wily/
[15:23] <apw> yoasif, there are no extras packages for mainline builds, it is disabled, which means everything is builtin, but aufs is not in mainline so you don't get that
[15:23] <yoasif> yeah :/
[15:23] <apw> everything is in the linux-image which exists
[15:23] <apw> i can buid you a test kernel against that tip to use till the official one comes out in the new year if that is of use
[15:24] <yoasif> but i should be able to use xenial's kernel with that extras package for the time being (since zfs is built in?)
[15:24] <apw> xenials kernel contains the zfs bits nativly, but it might be simpler
[15:24] <apw> for you to have a test kernel from me, which would sit version wise in the middle and upgrade correctly when
[15:24] <apw> the real distro kernel comes out
[15:25] <apw> if everything you need is in the .8 update
[15:25] <yoasif> apw: i'd really appreciate that — but i'd need -extras too, since aufs isn't in mainline :/
[15:25] <apw> yoasif, extras comes out as part of the build automatically for the ubuntu builds
[15:26] <yoasif> right now i'm running mainline, but i can't run docker, so i don't have any services running ;)
[15:26] <yoasif> (been replacing disks on my btrfs raid, and the hard lockups were really annoying)
[15:27] <apw> yep those are only there for problem isolation, they aren't production quality by any means
[15:30] <yoasif> apw: so if you were to create a test kernel, would i be able to have aufs as a module (easily)?
[15:30] <apw> yes, it would be an intermim build just the same as if i had uploaded the current state of the tree
[15:31] <apw> yoasif, i assume you are needing an x86 kernel of one size or other
[15:31] <yoasif> x64, yeah
[15:38] <yoasif> apw: the mainline build is actually more "production quality" (in that it doesn't lock up) than the stable ubuntu build besides the fact that i don't have aufs as a module ;)
[15:40] <apw> yoasif, well that is btrfs, that well known awsome filesystem
[15:41] <yoasif> apw: i'm on the hype train for it… not as stable as zfs yet, but feature wise, it allows me to expand arrays without creating new vdevs — it's going to be fantastic once it is stable, but definitely experiencing some growing pains
[15:42] <yoasif> also built the array prior to zfs being available in ubuntu without ppas
[15:43] <apw> yoasif, "once" it is stable, it is years old now, it reallly should be there by now if it is going to be
[15:43]  * apw strokes his ext4 filessytem gently, good filesystem
[15:44] <yoasif> been experiencing this issue for weeks now, even decided to build a new machine for it (not that i'm complaining)
[15:45] <yoasif> never quite understood lvm (i should learn) and i was used to zfs, so been using btrfs; ext4 was never an option for this
[15:45] <yoasif> (running ext4 on top of lvm for my root though)
[15:46] <apw> yeah i am old school most of my boxes are whatever ordinary filesystems on top of lvm
[15:46] <apw> which i am now at least at some kind of agreement with, it doesn't mess with me too much and i don't ask it to change much
[15:48] <yoasif> well, there are supposed to be integrity guarantees with btrfs; unfortunately, i have lost data once with btrfs (ran a fsck on an array where one of the disks had dropped out and seen subsequent writes — destroyed the array for the most part)
[15:48] <yoasif> never lost data with zfs though, been using an array for years now, even with bad disks
[15:49] <yoasif> (should have scrubbed again and again before trying fsck)
[15:49] <apw> fsck on btrfs has a bit of a reputation for being worse than not bothering
[15:50] <apw> and hoping for the best ...
[15:50] <yoasif> well, the mailing list is great … "if you don't have backups, you clearly didn't care about the data"
[15:50] <yoasif> (which is true, but doesn't change the fact that this shouldn't happen)
[15:50] <apw> yoasif, such an inspiring position :)
[15:53] <apw> yoasif, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/stable-4.2.8-wily/
[15:53] <yoasif> but yeah, in case anyone wanted some unsolicited advice; do not fsck your btrfs array… try to do as many online scrubs as you can until you don't see errors
[15:54] <yoasif> apw: not local to my machine right now, but i *really* appreciate you taking the time… will report back tomorrow morning (or tonight if you are around)
[15:54] <yoasif> (no docker means no openvpn either ;) )
[15:55] <apw> yoasif, my nick is always arround, my body less reliably, but yeah let me know if that gets you going again
[15:55] <yoasif> apw: definitely will do


[00:14] <skierpage> What's up with Kubuntu 12.04? It's the only Ubuntu variant that missed Alpha1, will there be a late alpha1? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1
[00:15] <jtaylor> probably not, just download a daily
[00:32] <skierpage> jtaylor thanks. FYI over in #kubuntu Riddell says "we expect to do alpha 2".
[01:19] <Ben64> why is my wifi speed limited to ~150K/s
[04:54] <imnichol> Has anyone else noticed that the "people nearby" feature of empathy doesn't sign in automatically?  It will attempt to sign in forever but never succeed.  I've been able to force it to sign in by disabling and then reenabling the account
[07:20] <eitch> hi guys, is it correct that upgrading is currently not possible due to broken dependencies?
[07:22] <eitch> another question to the skipping of the swap partition swipe, is the button broken, in the installer?
[09:20] <chmac> I'm running an upgrade and being prompted to remove libunity-core-4.0-4, sound about right?
[09:21] <geser> yes, it got replaced with libunity-core-5.0-5
[09:23] <chmac> geser: Thanks, I'll check after download if libunity-core-5.0-5 is being installed.
[09:24] <chmac> I'm seeing problems upgrading evolution, I think connected to ia32libs which I hacked in from oneiric.
[09:24] <chmac> gnome-panel is also being held back
[09:24] <chmac> I'm guessing that it's just a case of waiting for ia32libs to be sorted out?
[09:39] <Ben64> My wifi speed limited to ~150K/s, anything I can do?
[09:46] <chmac> Ben64: Pay your ISP more money? ;-)
[09:46] <chmac> Ben64: Was it faster before you upgraded to precise?
[09:46] <Ben64> i mean just wifi
[09:47] <Ben64> local network limited to 150K/s
[09:47] <Ben64> internet as well, with cat5 I can do 12MB/s locally, 2MB/s internet
[09:47] <Ben64> and yeah, was way faster on Lucid
[09:48] <chmac> Ben64: What type of wifi card do you have?
[09:49] <Ben64> its a laptop, integrated intel 3945? i think
[10:28] <aguitel> after upgrade i have this error:Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply:Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[10:28] <aguitel> what is this error?
[10:30] <rigved> aguitel: some application on your machine did not respond to the dbus daemon.
[10:31] <aguitel> rigved, how i know what app
[10:32] <rigved> aguitel: check /var/log/messages for the this error message. then check which application was communicating with dbus. the application's name should be somewhere nearby this error message.
[10:57] <aguitel> rigved, after aptitude full-upgrade it say:Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out
[10:59] <rigved> aguitel: ok. so maybe it asked you for the sudo password, but you might not have entered it within the specified time. so it it says that packagekit did not respond to dbus in the alloted time. something on those lines.
[11:01] <aguitel> rigved, no ,i enter
[11:18] <aguitel> after aptitude full-upgrade it say:Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out
[11:29] <cjoke> any ppa too ubuntu 12.04 gnome-shell extensions ? so that I can use gnome-tweak-tool too select my themes.
[11:33] <cjoke> or, what tool for installing , changeing themes is preferred in gnome-shell ?
[12:30] <kjetilkWork> is the DebianImportFreeze in effect?
[12:34]  * kjetilkWork wonders why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/librdf-trine-perl hasn't made it in with the latest version, even though it entered Debian Testing before the announced DebianImportFreeze date
[14:03] <geser> kjetilkWork: yes, the last auto-sync was scheduled for Jan 9th (begin of DIF), the same day the package migrated to testing. Might be that the auto-sync happened before the migration.
[14:03] <kjetilkWork> geser, OK
[14:03] <geser> you might want to file a sync-request if that new version should get synced
[14:04] <kjetilkWork> yeah, are there any other policies for sync-requests in effect since it is an LTS?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:05] <geser> not really (if I didn't forgot something), syncing for testing is default, if you need syncing from unstable (which is possible) you should have a reason for it
[14:06] <kjetilkWork> geser, OK, thanks for the help
[14:06] <kjetilkWork> I'll see if I can remember it till tonight and file a launchpad bug then
[18:36] <AlanBell> hi all, anyone done an update/upgrade today without problems? about to upgrade a laptop to precise
[19:07] <lan3y> trying to install the daily, installer hangs loading the partitioner
[19:09] <BluesKaj> lan3y,  do you have any formatted ext partitions ?
[19:10] <lan3y> BluesKaj, no just one big NTFS with windows at the moment
[19:10] <lan3y> CPU is also going mad, but i suspect that is the fancy hybrid graphics setup this laptop has
[19:11] <lan3y> shall i just go to 11.10?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> lan3y,  It's no supposed to hang , but ask what you want to do , make a partiton for linux in the freespace etc , but I've found making an ext partiton and swap for linux first prevents your problem. I recommend gparted live cd for formatting , then install
[19:14] <lan3y> it checks the HDD then just hangs
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, but make a partition for linux with gparted and it won't hang
[19:15] <BluesKaj> .BBL , errands to run for a few mins
[19:16] <balloons> AlanBell, nothing broken right now -- you should be clear to upgrade. I did an upgrade without issue last night
[19:17] <balloons> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html
[21:03] <rye> Hello, after the latest nvidia driver update compiz crashes at random times (happens quite frequently when i click on the link in xchat and a tab is opened in firefox :) - is there anything I can do to diagnose this binary blob issue?
[21:18] <BluesKaj> rye,  why bother with compiz
[21:19] <rye> BluesKaj, I like Unity, everything was working for last 2 weeks or so w/o any crashes of the graphics
[21:29] <janHolbo> Hi all!
[21:29] <janHolbo> I have problems running eclipse
[21:30] <janHolbo> It is missing a jre although it is present (LibreOffice runs without problems)
[21:31] <janHolbo> so I've added a path into .profile and now I can launch eclipse from terminal but when launched from the unity desktop launcher it still complains
[21:51] <chmac> Anyone having trouble with evolution / syncevolution dependencies?
[22:05] <cyphermox> chmac: syncevolution is probably half-broken right now, I'm working on it
[22:09] <chmac> cyphermox: Ok, great, thanks for the update
[22:10] <chmac> cyphermox: I'll try removing it, see if I can upgrade evolution then
[22:10] <cyphermox> chmac: if you wait a bit
[22:10] <cyphermox> I'll upload shortly and syncevolution should be pretty fast to build
[22:10] <chmac> cyphermox: Ok, sure, that's even easier!
[22:10] <cyphermox> ;)
[22:11] <chmac> cyphermox: Awesome, thanks, it's been a few days anyway, so I'll leave it tonight, get it tomorrow or the day after.
[22:11] <chmac> The ubuntu community at work hey! :-)
[22:11] <chmac> cyphermox: Thanks for your work on syncevolution, it really enhances my ubuntu experience, connects my data with my phone without using google :-)
[22:12] <cyphermox> pretty cool, I had no idea that's what syncevolution did :)
[23:45] <vani> Can anybody tell me about Btrfs support on Precise Pangolin/12.04? How can I set it or would it be one of default options during installation?
[23:45] <FernandoMiguel> still bad :D


[11:42] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/oed.png well this happened
[11:42] <mort> that orange rect is me selecting an area on the desktop
[11:44] <mort> I can alt+tab to an application called @!72,27;BDH which calls itself "gjs" in the menu bar and that brings the desktop icons "to the front", in front of the terminal window
[21:17] <mort> seahorse is really quite crashy


[02:21] <r2d2rogers> storms went through this morning, I didn't notice the power had gone off.
[03:45] <Robdgreat> tsk tsk ;)
[03:52] <r2d2rogers> I can't ssh out of work these days
[04:23] <Robdgreat> dang :/
[04:23] <Robdgreat> alternate port? >.>
[04:23] <Robdgreat> (not rly srs)


[12:18] <mjg59> A mixture
[03:19] <zul> heh mini patch bomb
[03:22] <crimsun> I'm still frustrated by Thunderbird's insistence on munging attachments instead of inlining them, but that could be my fault.
[09:07] <grexk> Is there a problem with make-kpkg and xen-source-2.6.16
[10:58] <Nafallo> hi! are we really going to ship with the rt2x00 rt61pci-driver?
[10:59] <Nafallo> it's useless it seems. no scanning and I fail to associate.
[03:13] <Nafallo> we have a regression in edgy called rt2x00 ;-)
[03:53] <thom> Nafallo: are you really planning to say that every 12 hours?
[03:54] <Nafallo> thom: naah, I'll file a bug when I'm finished configuring the router ;-)
[03:54] <Nafallo> or until I see BenC alive maybe :-)
[04:57] <Nafallo> BenC: hi :-)
[04:57] <BenC> hello
[04:58] <Nafallo> BenC: we have a regression from dapper I would like to report :-).
[04:58] <BenC> ok
[04:58] <Nafallo> BenC: seems rt61pci doesn't let me neither scan nor associate with aps
[04:59] <Nafallo> I rebooted to dapper, and worked fine there :-)
[04:59] <BenC> iwlist scan wlan0
[04:59] <BenC> doesn't show anything?
[05:00] <Nafallo> wlan0     No scan results
[05:00] <Nafallo> in dapper with ra0 I had like four aps :-)
[05:01] <BenC> iwconfig wlan0 show anything useful?
[05:01] <Nafallo> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:""
[05:01] <Nafallo>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
[05:01] <Nafallo>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B
[05:01] <Nafallo>
[05:02] <BenC> sucks, we had a rt61 pci card in germany I was going to grab and take home, but I forgot
[05:02] <Nafallo> tell sabdfl to send you one? :-)
[05:03] <Nafallo> my feeling is that we should wait until the whole rt2x00 is ready ;-)
[05:03] <Nafallo> and with ready I mean that we can scan, or atleast associate :-)
[05:08] <Nafallo> anyway, what to do? build from rt2600 in the next kernel upload? :-)
[05:15] <BenC> Nafallo: probably can't for the next upload
[05:15] <Nafallo> oh?
[05:15] <zul> heh i should say whether my patches either edgy or dapper
[05:15] <BenC> Nafallo: but you can file a bug here, and also one at the rt2x00 site and link it
[05:16] <Nafallo> yea, I will after I got this linksys configured as I want it :-)
[05:16] <BenC> Nafallo: I have to get a kernel upload done real soon (like today), and putting that driver in will cause a whole build cycle for me
[05:17] <Nafallo> ah. but the next one after that? :-)
[05:17] <BenC> right now everything compiles, and I'm just cleaning up the details for lrm/linux-meta/vmware-player-modules/kexec-tools
[05:17] <BenC> should be able to
[05:18] <mjg59> Nafallo: We have no plans to allow functionalty to regress
[05:18] <mjg59> Nafallo: Please open a bug and note in the subject that it's a regression from dapper
[05:18] <mjg59> And then we'll deal with it as appropriate
[05:19] <BenC> Nafallo: better yet, in the keywords, add edgy-regression
[05:19] <Nafallo> will do :-)
[05:19] <BenC> Make the keywords "rt61pci edgy-regression"
[05:20] <Nafallo> keywords is title? or the new tags thing?
[05:20] <BenC> tags
[05:21] <BenC> exim4+starttls+gnutls blocks ssl connections until it gets enough entropy the first time to create an rsa key
[05:21] <BenC> and my little box isn't doing anything useful enough to get it :/
[05:22] <thom> ping it a lot? (the kernel does still use network events to generate entropy, right?)
[05:22] <BenC> depends on the ethernet card I think
[05:23] <BenC> I think they did away with general network traffic being used for rng because it allowed outside sources to create somewhat known entropy
[05:24] <thom> right
[05:24] <thom> hrm, that's a pain
[05:26] <BenC> luckily it's a mame arcade machine (yes, my smtp server is running in an arcade cabinet), so I just have to walk over to it and mes with all the buttons, joysticks and trackball until it pumps some out :)
[05:26] <Nafallo> lol
[05:26] <BenC> my arcade setup has become a $200 manual entropy source
[05:27] <thom> hah
[05:39] <zul> BenC: in theory you have too much time on your hands ;)
[05:44] <infinity> BenC: Oh, sure, *now* the next kernel is almost ready.
[05:44] <infinity> BenC: You realise this means you get to roll in the LRM changes I just uploaded today. :P
[05:49] <Nafallo> Bug #58117
[05:50] <BenC> infinity: fuck...now that does set my schedule back :P
[05:50] <Nafallo> oh, no Ubugtu ;-)
[05:50] <BenC> I think the Ubugtu maint thought we weren't good enough to have it in the channel
[05:50] <Nafallo> schedule back means working wifi soon? ;-)
[05:50] <BenC> we're kernel devs, second class citizens and all
[05:50] <Nafallo> lol
[05:50] <kylem> heh.
[05:51] <Nafallo> just ping Seveas about it then ;-)
[05:52] <zul> do you actually want a bot in here?
[05:53] <zul> heh we can mess with it and not get any wory done
[05:53] <infinity> Ubugtu is handy for spewing out URLs.
[05:53] <infinity> I can't imagine any other reason I'd want a bot in here, though.
[05:53] <Nafallo> ... and short info most of all :-)
[05:53] <BenC> infinity: is the source for your new lrm accessible atm?
[05:54] <infinity> BenC: Should be published by now, yeah.
[05:54] <Nafallo> the upload was almost two hours ago :-)
[05:54] <infinity> Directory: pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17
[05:54] <infinity> Files:
[05:54] <infinity>  6b3de0ac1d51dc13863f7e83bb2e3d37 3140 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_<IP_ADDRESS>-1.dsc
[05:54] <infinity>  1f841e9c5c32a70a90fdb6c60c4c80f0 91555843 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[05:54] <infinity>  6893929c3fcecba0ea6e226698db4511 83479 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_<IP_ADDRESS>-1.diff.gz
[05:54] <infinity> Very published.
[05:55] <BenC> Nafallo: kernel upload will still be soon, just means lrm for the abi bump will be a little delayed
[05:55] <Nafallo> ah :-)
[05:56] <Nafallo> hmm, if the ralink drivers are still in there I might just aswell recompile it locale in the meantime :-)
[06:01] <Nafallo> it isn't :-P
[06:04] <Nafallo> oh... this kernel upload will contain less flavours, right? :-)
[06:10] <BenC> yes, they are
[06:11] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[06:11] <BenC> no, I mean yes, the old drivers are there
[06:11] <BenC> drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00-legacy
[06:11] <BenC> are the old ones
[06:11] <BenC> rt2570 is the one you want
[06:11] <Nafallo> ehm, no? I want rt61
[06:12] <Nafallo> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz
[06:12] <BenC> oh, that's right
[06:12] <BenC> there's no rt61 legacy driver
[06:13] <Nafallo> this one is.
[06:13] <Nafallo> ralinks code with fixes from the rt2500-tree.
[06:13] <BenC> hrmm...well, try it out :)
[06:13] <Nafallo> I will :-)
[06:13] <Nafallo> RT2561 (DeviceID=0x0302)  : cost down version
[06:14] <Nafallo> baah :-P
[06:14] <Nafallo> that's the one I have ;-)
[06:15] <Nafallo> hmm, it complains about missing build directory in /lib/modules/(uname -r)/
[06:15] <mjg59> Install the kernel headers
[06:15] <BenC> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:16] <Nafallo> ah, I thought -generic was in some ubuntu-seed now
[06:18] <BenC> not sure what you mean, but it's most likely irrelevant
[06:18] <Nafallo> okidoki :-)
[06:18] <Nafallo> that ubuntu-desktop depends on linux-headers-686 :-)
[06:22] <Nafallo> this one works
[06:22] <Nafallo> I can scan again :-)
[06:32] <BenC> ok, time to do some boot testing
[06:52] <thom> why does -server-bigiron have sound drivers?
[07:25] <Mithrandir> thom: you might want to run asterisk on your bigiron server and use the sound card's built-in mp3 decoder to lighten the load?  (Contrived case, yes, I know)
[07:31] <thom> Mithrandir: i think that's a little beyond contrived :-)
[07:32] <zul> how about i need to listen to mp3s while i read your email :)
[07:34] <thom> zul: if you're sat in front of a bigiron box listening to mp3s i hope you have great headphones :P
[07:35] <zul> heh..


[00:15] <tux|dude> Neat, 16.04 coming in less than a day
[00:59] <ahoneybun> mparillo, have you had a time to look over the release post?
[00:59]  * ahoneybun wonders if you can log into the site
[01:00] <ahoneybun> valorie, your looking at it?
[01:00] <mparillo> I do not think I have access. Do you have the URL?
[01:01] <ahoneybun> it's not public so I don't think a URL would work
[01:01] <ahoneybun> g2g
[01:01] <mparillo> And as far as testing the first release candidate, I was the only one who marked anything at: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds and nobody has done any testing on the current release candidate, because yofel said they are respinning anyway.
 https://twitter.com/MarkRuan0122/status/719719088801628160
 Have these been fixed?
 The password thing I think was fixed, right?
[05:46]  * valorie downloads all the zsyncs so that I can torrent the finals as soon as they are released
[05:47] <valorie> I would usually have a day to do this but am leaving for LFNW a day early
[06:32] <palasso> hello I will spin up 7 DigitalOcean droplets (all the cities DO has servers) to seed. Are the torrents ready?
[06:37] <valorie> no, the final ISOs have not been released yet
[06:39] <valorie> pretty sure it will be around 21:00utc
[06:39] <valorie> date -u says it's ~6:30
[07:05] <palasso> ok tyvm
[08:49] <yeehi> At what time today will 16.04 be released? If you are running the Beta, how do you upgrade to the final release (in order to receive the new wallpaper, etc?)
[09:01] <soee_> yeehi: when Ubuntu release team do it
[09:02] <soee_> if you are on beta and you do simple update it should get all latets pckages and you will be on final
[09:04] <yeehi> thank you soee_ ! Also, thank you for working on Kubuntu. It is so beautiful!
[09:05] <soee_> indeed :) And it will be much better when Plasma 5.6 lands in backports :)
[09:06] <soee_> anyway high five to all developers! :)
[09:06] <yeehi> Ooh! 5.6? What is especially nice about Plasma 5.6?
 I echo that, great job, hard work and dedication, very much appreciated
[09:07] <soee_> yeehi: it has a lot of bugfixes, better performance, new features etc.
[09:09] <soee_> yeehi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0TzoXhAbxg
[09:11] <yeehi> so, the thing to do is update to 16.04, and then when Plasma 5.6 is available in backports, upgrade that. I wonder by which date the main kubuntu release will have Plasma 5.6
[09:13] <yeehi> Debian and Trisquel make available DVDs for download. These include all the packages for that architecture for that release. Why doesn't Kubuntu / Ubuntu do this? (anymore)
[09:14] <soee_> do what exactly ?
[09:14] <yeehi> 16.04 is out for Ubuntu: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[09:16] <yeehi> oops, not yet
[09:16] <soee_> :)
[09:23] <yeehi> soee_ If somebody would like to maintain an offline repository for Debian amd64, they can download the debian amd64 DVDs, (about 6 of them). These contain all the packages in Debian.
[09:23] <yeehi> There is no equivalent to this in Ubuntu
[09:23] <yeehi> or Kubuntu
[09:23] <yeehi> I think there ought to be
[10:10] <yeehi> KUBUNTU 16.04 is OUT!!! :)
[10:10] <yeehi> Three Cheers for the Developers!
[10:14] <kfunk> \o/
[10:15] <kfunk> kubuntu.org doesn't say so
[10:16] <soee_> ovidiuflorin: ping
[10:17] <soee_> or yofel
 ** yawns ** what's all the shouting about?
[10:45] <yeehi> kfunk soee_ Kubuntu 16.04 is here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/xenial/release/
[10:46] <yofel> images are up, yes. but it's not officially released yet
[10:47] <yeehi> Seed, yofel :)
[10:48] <yofel> oh right. go ahead ;)
[11:14] <mparillo> zsync complete. dd running slowly.
[11:37] <ahoneybun> yofel, any idea about moving images to the docs server?
[11:37] <yofel> oh sorry, I never did reply to that
[11:37] <ahoneybun> np
[11:38] <ahoneybun> let me move to my kubuntu laptop anyway
[11:38] <yofel> either add your ssh key to kubuntu, then scp as that user, or first scp the images under /home/ahoneybun and move them after that
[11:39] <ahoneybun> mm
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:40] <ahoneybun> yofel: so what command do I use?
[11:40] <ahoneybun> scp or sftp
[11:40] <ahoneybun> I have the image on this laptop
[11:40] <yofel> multiple or single image?
[11:40] <ahoneybun> one at a time for now
[11:40] <yofel> scp is easier then
[11:41] <ahoneybun> my ssh key might need to be updated
[11:41] <ahoneybun> I never get scp right or forget
[11:41] <clivejo> !info kubuntu-settings xenial
[11:42] <clivejo> !info kubuntu-settings-desktop xenial
[11:42] <ahoneybun> mm
[11:42] <clivejo> I guess it didnt get uploaded
[11:42] <yofel> scp is like cp, just with the user part before the target
[11:42] <yofel> clivejo: nope
[11:42] <yofel> it didn't
[11:42] <yofel> will have to be an SRU
[11:43] <clivejo> was it rejected?
[11:43] <yofel> dunno, was I supposed to do something? Because last I saw it wasn't done
[11:43]  * ahoneybun got it!!!!!!!!
[11:44] <clivejo> I think sgclark was just researching that folder size bug and was to upload it yesterday
[11:45] <ahoneybun> mm so I can't move the file around on the server
[11:47] <ahoneybun> even as the kubuntu user
[11:52] <clivejo> everyone ready for the storm of user support requests ?!?
[11:55] <clivejo> Kubuntu killed my cat, how do I fix it
[11:55] <clivejo> or Kat
[13:21] <soee> uhm
[13:21] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-officially-released-available-for-download-now-503251.shtml
[13:21] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-16.04-LTS-Released
[13:24] <soee> good news: Mozilla has announced today they will begin packaging Firefox in the snap format for Ubuntu "later this year."
[13:40] <yofel> soee: I always wonder what does sites would do if an image would have to be replaced after they wrote the announcement
[13:40] <yofel> mparillo: are you still testing anything? If not I would mark the images as ready
[13:40] <soee> maybe they just want to be first to announce it :_
[13:40] <yofel> I think this is as "good" as we're going to be
[13:50] <sgclark> sorry I was in fear that the moving of stuff around would break everything and did not want to break everything the day before release. I was unsuccessful with all my attempt with folderview.
[13:53] <yofel> np, sounds reasonable. We can fix it for 16.04.1 (Which will probably happen sometime in July)
[13:53] <sgclark> ok
[13:54] <yofel> hm, marco seems away, well then
[13:54]  * yofel markes images ready
[13:55] <marco-parillo> yofel, I am trying to download the current candidate (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/xenial/release/), but I fear even the download will not complete in time. Three to four hours left.
[13:56] <yofel> marco-parillo: those are the 20160420.1 images
[13:56] <marco-parillo> Sorry: mparillo is my KDE Identity and is what I use for the KDE bouncer, but at work, they block IRC ports. So I use webchat and use my launchpad iD (marco-parillo) at work.
[13:57]  * yofel uses ssh tunnels at work :P
[13:57] <marco-parillo> I did grab the 20160420.1 images, but I admit I did not test. I though I saw another spin was coming.
[13:57] <marco-parillo> s/though/thought/
[13:57] <sgclark> When exactly are the images released? I will be on a train most of today
[13:58] <yofel> they're public already, just the announcement is missing
[13:58] <marco-parillo> They are already at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/xenial/release/
[13:58] <sgclark> ah
[13:58] <sgclark> cool
[13:58] <yofel> but from what I gather in -release, nobody wants to do yet another respin, even if there's issues
[13:58] <sgclark> is our PR group one that? *looks at podcast group*
[13:58] <marco-parillo> They have been for over an hour I think.
[14:00] <marco-parillo> Also at work, my host is Win7, so I cannot zsync. Usually that is not such a problem, but on release day it is.
[14:01] <yofel> FWIW, now that softpedia etc. put the announement out, you're probably best of using torrents for the rest of the day if you want to download anything ^
[14:01] <yofel> ^^
[14:01] <yofel> except at work, true :/
[14:02] <marco-parillo> I am afraid to even try a torrent at work.
 Could someone check the Torrents on our website, I recall a while ago they were not working ( i.e Not Seeding )
 I am at work so can't do it, but all the talk about torrents reminded me
[14:41] <yofel> I'm currently seeding them, and they seem to work fine
 Brill.
 I will share them on from my client later when I get home
[14:43] <yofel> I asked xnox to link https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement from the flavor page, so please don't change that URL anyomre
[14:43] <yofel> can someone maybe make a new screenshot for discover on that page? The current one looks... not very great?
 That article needs publishing too
 It's currently showing 404
 Although we're not released yet so perhaps I am ahead of the curve
[14:44] <yofel> right, please hold off on that until the official ubuntu announcement mail
[14:46] <yofel> @Sick_Rimmit: do we have an updated download page yet?
[14:47] <yofel> I don't see one myself
[14:49]  * genii quietly makes another large vat of coffee and washes out everyon'e mugs
 @ovidiuflorin What is the status with Download page ?
[14:56] <MacLeod> hi! if I correctly understand, that there is no plasma 5.6.2 under 16:04 in near plans in main repo and it will appear only in backports? and now affects only to discover/notifier/muon for bugfix?
[15:00] <yofel> MacLeod: 16.04 will only get strict bugfixes, no new plasma. I'm not sure what you mean regarding discover?
[15:00] <yofel> (no new plasma in main repository)
[15:01] <MacLeod> i mean muon-discover and plasma-discover packages
[15:01] <MacLeod> ok, i see
[15:02] <MacLeod> thanks for answer!
[15:02] <yofel> muon-discover is an alias for plasma-discover now
[15:03] <yofel> (you can remove the first if you want)
 I haven't done anything to the download page
 if someone gives me the download links, I'll update them
 it*
[15:05] <sgclark> yofel: 5.6.2 is in xenial, ping ximion for details
[15:05] <sgclark> discover I mean
[15:05] <yofel> that I know, but I still don't understand what the original question was about
[15:06] <sgclark> ah, me eithere then
[15:06] <sgclark> either
[15:06] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/xenial/release/
[15:07] <yofel> as a replacement for the 15.10 section. I would leave 14.04 as a "KDE4 LTS" maybe?
 I can add a third one
 @ovidiuflorin if its release can you publish the annoucenment
[15:07] <yofel> or that
[15:07] <yofel> WAIT
[15:07] <yofel> the announcement still has to wait for the mail
[15:08] <yofel> but with the images out, you might as well publish the download page changes
 torrent links please
 ah
 they are all there
 thank you
[15:17] <yofel> I wonder if the announcement should have a known issue list that tells people how to find the "Install" button on the image, as we never got that glitch fixed :/
 That would be helpful, perhaps with a screenshot
[15:19] <yofel> at least for VM users (I suspect everyone coming from plymouth text mode), as marco did say that Ubiquity-DM works fine on hardware
 download page is ready
 shall I publish it?
 Known issues is a must
 also with a link to Ubuntu Known issues
 these are a must
[15:22] <yofel> live session looks like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/Screenshot_20160421_172011.png
[15:22] <yofel> find the problem :P
 folderview size broken?
 long press on the widget, then resize
[15:24] <yofel> yup, tell that to someone that doesn't know how to do that. Other way is to just search for "install" in kickoff/krunner
[15:24] <yofel> if you click into a corner of the visible icon the launcher actually does work, it just looks horrible
 it's too late to fix it now, right?
[15:25] <yofel> right, will be fixed in 16.04.1
 can I publish the updated download page?
[15:25] <yofel> I guess so
[15:25] <sgclark> yeah, I am trying to wrap my head around plasma configuration. The docs SUCK. Mixed kde4 and plasma5 crap and nothing works.
[15:26] <yofel> ubuntu images are still syncing to CDN, so the announcement will  have to wait
 Untill I get a definetly yes, I won't publish it
[15:26] <yofel> then lets just publish everything in one go
 ok
 Has anyone added the release notes link to the announcement?
[15:28] <yofel> the upgrade wiki pages that are linked from the download page don't exist
 ah, yes.. I did
 but the release notes wiki page does not exist
 we can clone and update the beta 2 release notes?
 can someone with wiki access do that?
 I might be able to clone it, but I don't know what to update to it
[15:30] <yofel> I think it's c&p, with less known issues
[15:32] <sgclark> do we have any artwork for this release? I think we are burning DVDs @ linuxfest northwest
[15:32] <yofel> ahoneybun: ^
 I've talked with Andrea to draw something for us
 I'll bug him in a few moments
[15:33] <soee> is there new banner for homepage /
 no
 soee do you want to make one?
 we don't have a squirrel Konqi
[15:34] <soee> isnt Alex how made this one ?
 I forgot
 I don't know
[15:43] <yofel> did someone have time to run the live session on hardware? (regarding bug 1571564)
[15:46] <soee> ovidiuflorin: ok so Andrea shoudl take care of the banner
[15:47] <marco-parillo> Sorry I am at work, I can run a live session in a VM if it helps. The ISO finally downloaded.
[15:49] <yofel> actually, the guy next to me just went home, let me hijack his PC
[16:02] <soee> hehe Kubuntu 16.04 just around the corner https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Nvn3HxItEPk/VxjPDZxEWCI/AAAAAAAADMA/SYQ1eAcKidYDMnwJD6eX4vJWsAsU3Qy7A/w296-h312-rw/excited-puppy-dance.gif :)
[16:17] <yofel> uh... kubuntu-desktop isn't part of the ISO
[16:17] <yofel> how is that even possible
[16:17] <yofel> urgh
[16:17]  * yofel goes build log reading
[16:18] <yofel> it does install fine in the live session..
[16:21] <yofel> it is out https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-April/003720.html
 so we can publish the articles?
 yofel ^
[16:37] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin yes, but could you possibly make a new discover screenshot that doesn't have broken text in it?
 ahoneybun ^ ?
 I don't have an install at hand
[16:37] <yofel> let me try to make one
 thank you
 Leaving work in a few minutes, will be on hand to help in about an hour
 I'm working on a new Download page
 I hope I'll finish it by the end of the day
[16:40] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/Screenshot_20160421_183922.png
[16:40] <yofel> oh me
[16:40] <yofel> *meh
 what?
 can I use it or not?
[16:40] <yofel> spektacle removed the window border
 I don't think that's a problem
[16:42] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/Screenshot_20160421_184138.png
 https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
 updated
 https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement/
 published
 yofel please update the release notes wiki page
 can you?
[16:46] <yofel> let me try
 thank you
[16:56] <yofel> No I can't, copying pages doesn't work and I randomly get logged out
[16:57] <yofel> let me try to attach the release note information at the bottom of the website page
 no
 please leave the page as is
 can we not copy the page source?
 and make a new one?
[16:58] <sgclark> sigh, I was hopoing to download iso before I left, looks like that is not happening.
 why not?
[16:59] <clivejo> guys, that donation question in the other channel?  do we point people to donated to KDE or to Ubuntu?
[16:59] <clivejo> [17:57:27] <viewer|28682> is there a donation option to the team?
[16:59] <sgclark> sure wish there was
[17:00] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin "Create new empty page" -> "Internal Server Error"
[17:00] <sgclark> either kde or ubuntu we have to beg if we actually want access to the donations, so it really does not matter.
[17:00] <yofel> the 15.10 release notes are part of the website
[17:01] <sgclark> we are equally ubuntu and kde so it would benefit either way
[17:01] <sgclark> as far as development
 page created
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 it needs updating
[17:03] <BluesKaj> what an anticlimax, I'm already there
 yofel, can you edit the page now?
[17:05] <yofel> yes
[17:05] <yofel> thanks
[17:10] <soee> yofel: what are next steps - moving back to launchpad or backporting stuff ?
[17:11] <yofel> uhm, dinner and gaming I guess? I'll answer your question over the weekend. (former probably, at least until Mark has finally decided what X+1 is supposed to be called)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> yofel, any hints out there about the next silly name for 16.10?
[17:14] <sick_rimmit> Hi friends
[17:14] <clivejo> hi rick o/
[17:15] <sick_rimmit> Back from work now, so I can chat more freely and help out
[17:15] <yofel> BluesKaj: none that I know of yet. Random guessing and betting is officially allowed now :P
[17:16] <BluesKaj> yofel, wonder if there'll be a kubuntu 16.10 dev OS
[17:16]  * clivejo thinks this is a loaded question, so sits back and watches
[17:16] <BluesKaj> hehe
[17:16] <yofel> dev certainly, but I have no idea how that's going to look like (or what we'll end up releasing)
[17:17] <soee> Yielding Yeti
[17:17] <yofel> we should wrap our whole desktop session into a snappy image, who wants to do that? :D
[17:17] <yofel> soee++
[17:18] <clivejo> such a crazy idea!
[17:18] <clivejo> +1
[17:18] <mamarley> yofel: Please don't do that, I want to keep using .debs and APT.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> understood it is rather "early days" , but there are rumours about Kubuntu's demise after 16.04
[17:18] <sick_rimmit> I was using Mint Debian edition the other day, I like the popup screen with icons and links to all their community stuff
[17:18] <clivejo> we can control what software our users use
[17:18] <genii> soee: Yodeling Yak
[17:18] <clivejo> and how they use it
[17:18] <yofel> mamarley: we'll see. I'm not happy with our current deb workflow at all, but I've seen so little about snappy that I have no idea if that'll work out
[17:19] <mamarley> Wouldn't snappy completely kill the concept of PPAs though?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> yofel, snappy is for cotainer use is it not , being a home user I doubt I'd ever bother
[17:20] <yofel> BluesKaj: there are rumors that ubuntu wants to ship Firefox updates through snappy images
[17:21] <BluesKaj> my FF is mucked up right , serious mem leak
[17:21] <yofel> and desktop application containerization is something people are working on, it's just that nobody has something that's finished
[17:21] <BluesKaj> now
[17:21]  * soee just upgraded his VPS
[17:23] <clivejo> yofel: will you be continuing on as RM?
[17:23] <yofel> Not sure, but assume "yes" for now
[17:24] <clivejo> :)
[17:24] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin release notes updated, the images are missing though
[17:24] <yofel> too tired to fix that right now (volunteers welcome)
 thank you
 iamges are in the announcement
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> Voluntering
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> what needs fixing
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> Ah images
[17:27] <sick_rimmit> Oh WoW that article looks excellent
[17:27] <sick_rimmit> Do you just want optimisation on the images ?
[17:28] <yofel> sick_rimmit: I mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[17:28] <yofel> but I'm not sure if that even needs images
[17:28] <yofel> (that's mostly a copy of the beta2 page)
[17:29] <soee> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+quidsup/posts/Pu1ozuhWZYK
[17:29] <marco-parillo> yofel: Thanks for remaining as the release manager (at least for now)
[17:31] <amichair> typo - on website news: "Delivering an Long-Term Release" (an -> a)
[17:33] <amichair> and the top image on release anouncement page is loading slooooooowly... like the dialup days, before 28k modems came out
[17:34] <yofel> I think that's the DC being overloaded ^^
[17:34] <yofel> but could use a rescale, true
[17:34] <amichair> it's only the one image, as far as I see. 2m for a single image is a bit much
[17:34] <marco-parillo> Alas, I am still drinking tea. But toasting yofel sgclark clivejo sick_rimmit ahoneybun ovidiuflorin and lots of other volunteers.
[17:35]  * yofel out
[17:35] <yofel> and thanks!
[17:35] <yofel> now to get some dinner
[17:35] <yofel> bbl
[17:36] <sick_rimmit> ttfn
[17:37] <sick_rimmit> Image is slow to download, I could fix this, but it is a Hi-Res image which means that folks can click on it, and get a zoomed in view
[17:37] <sick_rimmit> Which is pretty useful
[17:37] <sick_rimmit> I am tempted to leave it as is
[17:37] <amichair> sick_rimmit: you can have a small image link to the full image, and provide a much better user experience for visitors...
[17:38] <fone626> sick_rimmit: if you convert them to jpgs (prefereably progressive) they will load a LOT faster since they will be in the kilobytes and not megabytes like they are now with the PNG format.
[17:39] <mamarley> It would also introduce a lot of crappy artifacts.
[17:39] <fone626> only if you compress it too much
[17:40] <amichair> there are almost 4m taken up by 3 images on the page... that's huge
[17:40] <mamarley> Have you tried running them through pngcrush or pngout or something?
[17:40] <amichair> but in any case, just a tip. Do with it what you will :-)
[17:41] <mamarley> Or, I also like the idea of a smaller-resolution image link that when clicked would go to the higher resolution image.  That way, bandwidth can be conserved and speed increased while still offering artifact-free images everywhere.
[17:47]  * sick_rimmit rolls up sleeves and starts GIM{
[17:47]  * sick_rimmit rolls up sleeves and starts GIMP
[18:16] <amichair> the download page says the installer is 1gb, but the torrent iso is 1.42G... are there two versions, or is the page incorrect?
[18:18] <yofel> latter probably
[18:18] <sick_rimmit> Alright images optimised
 Someone posted the release, good lol
[18:23] <amichair> sick_rimmit: while you're at it, perhaps you'd want to optimize the title background image too... (1.4M)
[18:25] <sick_rimmit> amichair: Well really we should get a new one with Xenial
[18:26] <sick_rimmit> instead of Willy
[18:27] <amichair> sick_rimmit: true... but make sure it's counted in 10's of K, not in M :-)
[18:28] <sick_rimmit> Anyone from  VDG about ?
[18:29] <sick_rimmit> amichair: I think I will try to fix that anyway's just helps a bit with load on the server
[18:37] <snele_> congrats on release guys and girls! you rock!!! ♥♥♥
[18:38] <sick_rimmit> snele_: :-D
[18:52] <sheytan> why i don't get any notification that the LTS upgrade is ready? :(
[18:52] <sheytan> how to force it?
[18:53] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: the file size is 1.4Gb but download page on kubuntu.org states  (the file size is 1GB).
[18:54]  * sick_rimmit scratches head and wonders how to get kdevelop to build muon, against a local libqapt he just built
[18:54] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: did you install it?
[18:55] <sick_rimmit> I didn't as it wants root, I was hoping to to build against it locally
[18:55] <sick_rimmit> to my user
[18:55] <sick_rimmit> its for testing you see
[18:56] <clivejo> has to be installed on the system for muon to find it
[18:56]  * sick_rimmit trying to formulate right question for duckduckgo
[18:57] <sick_rimmit> Oh
[18:57] <fone626> Just installed 16.04.   At least in virtualbox it doesn't boot to a desktop.  I have to stop and start sddm to get a desktop.
[18:57] <sick_rimmit> I was hoping to setup a build, that I could then clean afterwards and re0use
[18:57] <clivejo> in the Cmake file it will be looking for qapt 3.0.2
[18:58] <sick_rimmit> Oooo
[18:58]  * sick_rimmit Thinks hmm...
[18:58] <clivejo> fail to build if it cant find it
[18:58] <clivejo> just install the packaged version
[18:58] <clivejo> apt makes it easy to install and remove stuff
[18:59] <sick_rimmit> What if I add libqapt buildir to my $path
[19:01] <soee> can we add some information how to upgrade  to 16.04 from 14.04 or 15.10 (add to news post)?
[19:01] <soee> users are asking how to do it
[19:02] <sick_rimmit> soee:  We certainly can, do you have any text explaining it ?
[19:02] <sheytan> soee: yeah, will be helpfull, cause none of update manager and Discover shows there's an update ready
[19:02] <soee> sick_rimmit: no i do not :)
[19:02] <sick_rimmit> Ah
[19:03] <soee> i think there are 2 ways atm.:
[19:03] <soee> command line: do-release-upgrade -d
[19:03] <ahoneybun> remove the -d as that looks for development releases I think
[19:04] <soee> or configure updater to upgrade to update to: Normal Release
[19:04] <soee> by defautl it is set to upgrade to LTS but this will work with 16.04.1
[19:05] <soee> so add command to execute and do some screenes how to set it via GUI
[19:05] <soee> and mention in post that automatic upgrade will be proposed after 16.04.1 is released
[19:07] <soee> yofel: can you confirm that it is correct ^ ?
[19:08] <sick_rimmit> ovidiuflorin: Hi mate, to install a project from Kdevelop do I need kdesudo installed
[19:10] <sick_rimmit> Ha I got it
[19:10] <sheytan> soee: will you update the release notes with 'how to upgrade' ?
[19:11] <soee> sheytan: i do not how that power ;)
[19:23] <sick_rimmit> hmm is kdesu deprecated ?
[19:23] <sick_rimmit> I can't seem to install it
[19:23] <sheytan> soee: yofel: do-release-upgrade shows that no new release has been found
[19:24] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: isnt it kdesudo now?
[19:26] <sick_rimmit> Yes, but Kdevelop wants kdesu to install qapt
[19:26] <sick_rimmit> I might be able to fix that however
[19:27] <soee> sheytan: and what is configured in Discover?
[19:27]  * sick_rimmit gets los running round in circular dependencies
[19:27] <soee> Normal Release or LTS ?
[19:27] <sheytan> soee: no matter
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Ah ha I can configure what to use from Kdevelop
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> Linux Questions is my friend
[19:30] <sheytan> why there isn't a way to upgrade like always, that it shows the notifications?
[19:30] <sheytan> what you guys broke? :D :D
[19:30] <soee> sheytan: notification sows up after 16.04.1 no ?
[19:30]  * sick_rimmit Hee Muon is building
[19:30] <clivejo> I blame soee
[19:30]  * sick_rimmit Grins
[19:30] <clivejo> he broke it
[19:31] <sheytan> well, usually notification show alwasys when upgrade to a new release is ready
[19:32] <sheytan> no matter if LTS or not
[19:32] <sheytan> but, as I said, even terminal says there's no new release
[19:32] <clivejo> its release day, it might not be totally ready yet
[19:32] <sheytan> clivejo: I don't now how it works :)
[19:33] <sheytan> Does it smowhow check the upgrade from ppas?
[19:33] <clivejo> have you fully upgraded your current system?
[19:33] <sheytan> yep
[19:33] <clivejo> no, the update comes from the archive
[19:33] <clivejo> you should disable PPA's for the upgrade
[19:33] <clivejo> the script usually comments them out
[19:34] <sheytan> clivejo: usually this happens automatically
[19:34]  * sick_rimmit Oh Yeah!! Muon built and running from git Master branch
[19:34] <sheytan> yeah
[19:34] <clivejo> yes
[19:34] <sheytan> well, i'll wait. Maybe it will show later :D
[19:35] <soee> Riddell: ping
[19:36] <clivejo> sheytan: what command are you runng?
[19:36] <clivejo> because -d is the developer release
[19:37] <soee> maybe you are already on 16.04 :D
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Thank you, your pointer helped me get my Muon build env working, so now I can move to bug fixing.
[19:39] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: first task is to update the about screens to list you guys as the new maintainers
[19:39] <clivejo> we need to know who to complain to
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes OK
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> OK, got to go
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> bbl
[20:05] <mparillo> On one physical and one VM, the GA ISO boots straight to a live session (which I prefer), on a different physical, the ISO boots to the try / install chooser.
 Would you be so kind to check out our home page? https://kubuntu.org/
 Holy
[20:44] <mparillo> Oragami. Cool. Like the Plasma wallpaper.
 Sweet
 credit goes to Andrea
[20:46] <clivejo> very big image - 877.82 kB
 it started as 5MB
[20:49] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: https://kubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/e476/rect6576_smalla.png is resized in HTML or CSS from 1600x500 to 1024x320. Serving a scaled image could save 518.3KiB (59% reduction).
[20:50] <clivejo> hi slhk_
[20:50] <clivejo> are you upgrading?
[20:53] <slhk_> hi clivejo
[20:53] <slhk_> not yet
 hi slhk
[20:54] <slhk_> hi Rick
[20:54] <clivejo> waiting until all the bugs are ironed out?
 that scaling depends on screen size
[20:54] <slhk_> maybe a couple days, I cannot risk breaking the system now
[20:55] <slhk_> I did upgrade a VM a couple days ago and everything went fine. though
 I got Muon and libqapt build environment setup in Kdevelop earlier, so I am ready to start working on Muon bugs now
[20:56] <slhk_> Rick: nice!
 Yes, I am very pleased with that.. am making some good progress
 Did you see the Release announcement on Kubuntu ? Muon is given quite a good mention
 Seems to have been well received by the community
[20:58] <clivejo> slhk_: are you going to add yourself as a maintainer in the Muon about dialogue?
 I really like that 16.04 banner logo
 it is awesome
 Did Andrea make that ?
[21:06] <slhk_> didn't see the announcement, I will take a look. Thanks for pointing out
 kubuntu.org/news
[21:06] <slhk_> actually, I still have to announce the release... :s
 Ah yes, I see its tagged, I pulled the latest Master ealier
 Built it and tested, all looking good so far
[21:09] <slhk_> clivejo: I will consider adding my name, but I don't know what other steps I need to take inside KDE to become the maintainer
[21:11] <clivejo> no-one to guide you?
 My understanding is you can just do it
[21:11] <clivejo> will the old maintainer not help you get your bearings?
 I had spoken to Alex Pol, about me signing on as a maintainer
 I think it needs some one, and right now that looks like you.
 I am am happy to be listed there, and I believe ovidiu is alos
 Ensures that it doesn't get orphaned, because we don't want to loose it from Kubuntu
[21:15] <clivejo> slhk_: is Muon ported to KF5?
[21:15] <clivejo> or is that what the sticking point was?
 Hey maybe slhk_ ovidiu and me could organise a Sprint to work on Muon. We could use our BBB server to work together, something to think about
[21:17] <slhk_> clivejo: apol helped me until now, so yes I can ask him
[21:17] <clivejo> Id help out, but first Id have to learn how to actually code!
[21:17] <slhk_> clivejo: dependency from kde4support has been removed
 Lol. That on my ever growing to do too
 Well if we ran some sprints on BBB we could explore that together
[21:18] <clivejo> slhk_: so its pure KF5 now?
 Learn to code party
 Drunken coding. Could be fun.
[21:18]  * clivejo smiles
[21:19]  * clivejo bites his tongue
[21:19] <mamarley> https://xkcd.com/323/
[21:20] <slhk_> clivejo: I would say yes, it is. And qapt too
[21:21] <clivejo> slhk_: you mentioned moving to a declarative UI?
[21:22] <slhk_> yes, but that's not something happening soon. And apol suggested not to do it, at least not now.
[21:23] <clivejo> lot of work Im guessing
[21:23] <clivejo> what are your goalposts?
[21:24] <slhk_> indeed, and time which could be spent fixing bug
[21:24] <slhk_> my what?
[21:25] <slhk_> goals? continue fixing (muon, qapt, but also discover)
[21:26] <slhk_> feature I miss: short keyboard shortcuts (same as those from aptitude), clickable package names everywhere (e.g. in dependencies)
[21:28] <soee> slhk_: who is working on doscover atm ?
[21:28] <slhk_> I guess that's what you where asking for
[21:29] <slhk_> Aleix Pol (apol)
 Alright, I will organise something in the Kubuntu DoJo, around sprinting on bug squishing Muon, and come back to you
[22:03] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973656/ :)
[22:17] <tux|dude> Congrats to the dev team for all the work on getting kubuntu 16.04 all sorted out!
[22:23] <clivejo> BTW did anyone test Discover?
[22:24] <tux|dude> I'll test that when the new build has installed
[22:24] <clivejo> Im seeing text all over the window :/
 Worked for me.
[22:26] <clivejo> the featured apps slideshow looks corrupted or something
[22:27] <soee> whole Discover UI is so bad ;/
[22:27] <clivejo> http://s31.postimg.org/641fcu721/Discover.png
[22:28] <soee> yeah all over the place http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/22/Screenshot_20160422_002752.png
 Wow that looks terrible. Had it looked like that for I would have not approved. But it did not :( looked nice to me.
 I was not only tester
 Phone dying. Bbl
 Work in progress: https://kubuntu.org/download-test/
 I'm off to bed
 good night
[22:35] <clivejo> discover 5.6.2 seems to be building new packages
[22:35] <clivejo> plasma-discover-private
[22:45] <clivejo> hummm
[22:45] <clivejo> 5.5.5 doesnt have the text issue
[22:45] <clivejo> http://s31.postimg.org/5jxguo0u1/Discover555.png
[22:47]  * clivejo giggles
[22:47] <clivejo> plasma-discover wants to update itself
[22:49] <clivejo> yeah, its definitely due to being 5.6.2
[22:50] <clivejo> can we do anything about that?
[22:50] <clivejo> only backports would fix it?
[23:17] <quintasan> yofel: ping
[23:25] <ahoneybun> yofel: still kicking?
[23:44] <Quintasan> Is it my quassel acting up or yofel's core is dead?
[23:48] <ahoneybun> mm?


[00:48] <xu-help96w> Hi there
[00:48] <xu-help96w> Someone on?
[02:14] <Xfce_is_based> Why does the volume change to some seemingly random value (0%, 90% ...) whenever I log out/reboot?
[02:14] <Xfce_is_based> Also seems to be happening on Arch Linux
[03:26] <josbell> hi there, Q: do i need to install a grub? new instalation on a dell laptop latitude e6410, after installing xubuntu i can only boot if i select manually uefi
[03:27] <josbell> otherwise the start get stock with the text cursor just blinking and no text
[03:29] <josbell> or, Do I need to do something in the bios?
[10:16] <NeoCortex4> hi there, after upgrading to 22.04 mirage (the image viewer) won't start. just says "segmentation fault"
[10:16] <NeoCortex4> I tryed to purge and reinstall it with synaptic but that didnt help, same error.
[15:35] <genii> If they return with the same question, I'd recommend adding the debug repositories, installing mirage-dbg, then running ubuntu-bug mirage


[12:05] <Fudge> what is your install method and on what OS Texou
[12:05] <Fudge> there is not any change to the synth, just the platform it installs on


[18:16] <Sarvatt> mdeslaur: if that pixman package fixes your problem would you be able to sponsor it? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/pixman/
[18:20] <Sarvatt> re: bug 608613
[18:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 608613 in pixman (Ubuntu) "[maverick] nouveau tiling problem with firefox (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608613
[19:11] <mdeslaur> Sarvatt: oh, sure...I'll try it out later on today. Thanks!
[19:23] <mdeslaur> Sarvatt: it works! Thanks! I'll upload it now
[19:25] <mdeslaur> Sarvatt: uploaded.
[19:29] <Sarvatt> thanks mdeslaur!
[21:39] <knittl> 2010-08-15 22:38:32,093 ERROR: XorgDriverHandler.enable(): package or module not installed, aborting
[21:39] <knittl> what's that?


[07:35] <davecheney> wrtp: where are you ?
[07:35] <davecheney> come to the big cloud room
[07:35] <wrtp> in the cloud room with the others
[07:35] <wrtp> davecheney: ok
[07:35] <wrtp> davecheney: what's up?
[07:35] <davecheney> reviewing hte hundreds of bugs in py juju
[07:36] <wrtp> will be over in a mo, if i can work out which is the "big cloud room" :-)
[07:42] <niemeyer> fwereade:
[07:42] <niemeyer> """
[07:42] <niemeyer> When jujud has already opened the log file, and then panics, we just
[07:42] <niemeyer> lose the panic output. So I think we do need this...
[07:42] <niemeyer> """
[07:42] <niemeyer> fwereade: Why would we lose?  That's not what append does, AFAIK
[07:42] <fwereade> niemeyer, I just checked, and the output is nowhere to be seen -- and that fits with my intuition, that 2 things should probably not open the same file for writing
[07:43] <fwereade> niemeyer, am I being stupid?
[07:43] <niemeyer> fwereade: AFAIK, the reason for O_APPEND in *nix is precisely to handle that
[07:44] <fwereade> niemeyer, hum, ok
[07:51] <fwereade> niemeyer, I will try to figure out what I got wrong, and get back to you
[07:53] <niemeyer> fwereade: If it's going to take too long, we can just move forward.. I expected it to be straightforward, though, and it's very handy to not have two files with the same name in the same directory.. we'll always have to type the extension otherwise
[07:53] <fwereade> niemeyer, well, I did submit already, but I will see if I can figure out what I did wrong all the same :)
[08:21] <fwereade> niemeyer, (ok, I can't figure out what I did wrong, but I clearly did -- using the same file works perfectly... sorry)
[09:31] <davecheney> agent_test.go:294: c.Assert(string(data), Not(Equals), "spurious")
[09:31] <davecheney> ... obtained string = "spurious"
[09:31] <davecheney> ... expected string = "spurious"
[09:31] <davecheney> o_O!
[09:32] <niemeyer> davecheney: Type
[09:32] <niemeyer> davecheney: Hmm.. whhaaa
[09:32] <niemeyer> davecheney: Oh,
[09:32] <niemeyer> davecheney: Not(Equals)
[09:34] <davecheney> fair enough
[09:34] <davecheney> that is a bit unhelpful
[09:34] <davecheney> i'll fix it
[09:55] <davecheney> wrtp: GOMAXPROCS=81 go test .../cmd/jujud will fail with an auth error very reliably for me
[09:59] <davecheney> bootstrap_test.go:129: c.Assert(err, Equals, expectErr)
[09:59] <davecheney> ... obtained = nil
[09:59] <davecheney> ... expected *errors.errorString = &errors.errorString{s:"unauthorized access"} ("unauthorized access")
[10:00] <davecheney> wrtp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304534/
[10:46] <davecheney> wrtp: https://codereview.appspot.com/6767053
[10:46] <davecheney> looking good in stress testing
[10:46] <wrtp> cool
[10:52] <davecheney> wrtp: now looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1064142
[10:58] <fwereade> davecheney, thank you, I've peered at that a couple of times and been totally unable to figure out what was actually happening in the ackground
[10:59] <davecheney> fwereade: np, i'll come an nag you if I am confused
[12:16] <fwereade> mramm, s/Availability/Available/
[12:24] <fwereade> mramm, s/principle/principal/
[12:24] <TheMue> fwereade: +1
[12:25] <fwereade> mramm, I don't appear to have edit rights, that's the only reason I'm hassling you
[12:27] <Aram> fwereade: please share the link to the google doc.
[12:28] <fwereade> Aram, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1cm_JDMmk-uA15nSUf5Wz8icbBb4AmCOB-hoJZUfcgsE/edit#
[12:28] <Aram> thanks
[13:38] <fwereade> davecheney, where did you guys go, and should I be there?
[13:42] <davecheney> most people went to carbo load
[14:12] <davecheney> fwereade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1071320
[14:12] <davecheney> ^ has been happening for a while
[14:12] <davecheney> i am investigating now
[14:12] <davecheney> (manly as I have no idea how to fix the previous issue)
[14:13] <fwereade> davecheney, that aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa one? I hopefully assigned it to rogpeppe this morning
[14:13] <fwereade> davecheney, interesting to see the panic on reset though
[14:13] <davecheney> yeah, that is common for most of our tear down tests
[14:13] <davecheney> it's not a concern
[14:13] <fwereade> davecheney, ah, ok
[14:14] <fwereade> davecheney, so the panics come after the failures in aram's problem? and are therefore not a cause of it?
[14:19] <davecheney> yes
[14:21] <fwereade> davecheney, ty, that is good to know
[15:12] <davecheney> fwereade: https://codereview.appspot.com/6781043
[15:12] <davecheney> ^ possible fix for aaa race
[15:32] <fwereade> davecheney, I don't understand how https://codereview.appspot.com/6781043 works... but then I don't think I understood the original failure either :/
[15:32] <fwereade> davecheney, rogpeppe may be a better reviewer...
[15:50] <davecheney> fwereade: i belive that the hook is exiting before we even start the logger
[15:50] <davecheney> but I am trying to understand that bad fd error better
[15:50] <davecheney> logically thre is a chance logger.stop could be called before logger.run is scheduled
[15:51] <davecheney> or the process could complete and exit before logger.run is scheduled
[15:51] <fwereade> davecheney, ah, ok
[15:52] <davecheney> the key in that proposal is it mitigates the problem
[15:52] <davecheney> doesn't fix it
[15:53] <davecheney> but mititgates it to a point that I was only able to reproduce the issue very infreqently
[15:53] <davecheney> at which case other failures are taking precidence


[06:58] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:02] <Kilos> hi dpm and others
[07:04] <dpm> hi Kilos
[07:16] <dholbach> hey hey
[07:19] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij
[07:20] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[07:40] <davidcalle> Morning all o/
[07:53] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[08:03] <svij> morning!
[08:19] <svij> dpm: hey! Could you please have a look into the sponsorship brochure and look at mhall119's annotations? I don't know which amount of money we should write down into the brochure for the not specified sponsorship types.
[08:20] <dpm> morning svij. Sure, do you have a link handy?
[08:20] <dpm> (if you don't, I'll find it, no worries)
[08:22] <svij> dpm: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sIUV-BoOz92y48ozcHljgF7jD7WmxNwlubvaOYeal_k/edit?usp=drive_web
[08:23] <dpm> thank you :)
[08:44] <dholbach> all rightie... moving over to the office, bbiab
[11:03] <dholbach> lunch time
[13:11] <mhall119> svij: are you planning on having a social and party? Those were in there from the UbuCon Summit in California, if you're not going to do the same then can be removed
[13:16] <svij> mhall119: we will have social events, but that's still a todo
[13:35] <mhall119> svij: then whatever you expect the cost of those to be is what you should use for sponsors
[13:36] <mhall119> and any detail of the kind of event or location would be good to have there
[13:44] <svij> mhall119: well, our social events in the past was more like, that we went to a restaurant where everyone could order what they wanted and paid their bill. I'm not sure if this fits for a sponsoring somehow
[13:44] <svij> maybe I should drop the social and party sponsoring for now, until we have more planning for that
[13:50] <mhall119> yeah, unless it's something the event is paying for, it's not sponsorship material
[13:50] <svij> ok, than I'll simply drop it.
[14:03] <svij> mhall119: can you have another look?
[14:04] <mhall119> svij: sure
[14:04] <mhall119> dpm: call?
[14:07] <mhall119> svij: I think the topic sponsor should either be more money, or it should not be included in the keynote presentation
[14:07] <mhall119> otherwise they get the same benefits as the Silver sponsor which costs twice as much
[14:07] <svij> mhall119: right, that was a copy-paste error
[14:08] <svij> forgot to remove one tick
[14:09] <mhall119> svij: now I don't see what the difference is between Bronze and Topic :)
[14:09] <mhall119> dpm: dropping off the hangout, let me know if you want to try again
[14:10] <svij> well, topic is explained in the next slide ;)
[14:10] <svij> not sure if/how I could include that in the tablet
[14:10] <mhall119> svij: I mean from a sponsor's perspective
[14:11] <svij> hm, right
[14:11] <mhall119> if I have $500 to give you, is there any difference between Bronze and Topic?
[14:11] <svij> not really
[14:11] <svij> maybe we should just merge those?
[14:11] <mhall119> I'd say so, yeah
[14:11] <svij> ok, dropping topic
[14:18] <svij> mhall119: I wonder how we could include give-aways (in a lottery or so) in the sponsorship brochure
[14:19] <svij> we had nerdy t-shirts, mugs and a lot of books in the past.
[14:20] <mhall119> svij: doing a drawing at the closing session is usually a good way
[14:20] <mhall119> anybody who donated swag can just get a mention when you're giving it away
[14:20] <svij> we mostly included them on the homepage as well
[14:21] <svij> but yes, announcing that at the give away and/or blogpost could be just a thing too
[14:21] <svij> I was just thinking if it's enough or if it's not enough, also comparing to bronze sponsors
[14:23] <mhall119> if you'll have a projector setup for the closing session, you can just display their logo there while you're giving their stuff away
[14:23] <svij> right
[14:23] <svij> I think thats fine…
[14:24] <svij> anything else or do you think that's good now?
[14:24] <jose> mhall119, davidcalle: phone got there 8 mins ago \o/
[14:26] <davidcalle> jose: \o/
[16:03] <dholbach> All right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again! :-)
[17:22] <LexarStewart> mhall119 - Last time we talked you showed me a mailing list entry of a dev. who had resolved the Nex7-2013 with sim card issue, and getting it going (although proprietory if I recall). Do you have that eMail again, please ?
[17:22] <mhall119> LexarStewart: sorry, that's not ringing any bells for me, are you sure it was me you talked to?
[17:22] <LexarStewart> I believe so.
[17:23] <mhall119> how long ago was this?
[17:23] <LexarStewart> Some of the Nexus 7 -2013's came with sim-card slots, and someone got them going.
[17:23] <LexarStewart> 7/8 months maybe 10/11 months.
[17:25] <LexarStewart> Also would this be classed as LTE on the bug report , or is that something different ?
[17:27] <LexarStewart> Is it the Nexus 7-2013 LTE, like talked about here ? (for a sim card one) https://redd.it/4mzbmn
[17:44] <LexarStewart> mhall119: Did you get that ?
[17:44] <popey> I guess you may be able to use the flo image
[17:44] <popey> flo being the non-LTE device, and 'deb' I think is the LTE one
[17:45] <LexarStewart> popey, Yes I understand that. I just thought that someone had a package that could enable 'deb'.
[17:46] <popey> https://forums.ubports.com/topic/44/installing-ubuntu-on-nexus-7-2013-deb-lte
[17:47] <LexarStewart> popey, Ah yes. I hadn't consulted there yet. Cheers.
[17:48] <LexarStewart> Any idea why this isn't on Launchpad, yet ? Perhaps 'cos it only being pushed by one person, hey ?
[17:49] <mhall119> LexarStewart: sorry had to step afk for a bit, did I tell you over IRC or email?
[17:50] <LexarStewart> popey, Anyway, this isn't the right channel to be asking around, I may come back to this and re-visit.
[17:50] <mhall119> LexarStewart: you can try asking in #ubuntu-touch
[17:50] <mhall119> people there know more about this kind of thing than I do
[17:50] <LexarStewart> mhall119: You told me over IRC (I was using another nick) _that linked to a mailing list eMail.
[17:52] <LexarStewart> I have to go to do a shift now anyways , cheers & bye for now o/
[17:52] <mhall119> LexarStewart: if you tell me what the old nick was, I can see if it's in my IRC logs
[17:52] <LexarStewart> mhall119: dunno, sorry.
[18:08] <pleia2> popey: were you going to set up that alternate group for etherpad access?
[18:08] <pleia2> popey: the natives are getting restless
[18:42] <popey> oh hey pleia2
[18:42] <pleia2> o/ popey
[18:42] <popey> sorry, had a couple of manic days.
[18:42]  * popey ups the priority of that, and yes, I said I'd do it, sorry.
[18:42] <pleia2> I totally understand that :)
[18:43] <pleia2> thank you <3
[18:43] <popey> thanks for the nudge


[08:59] <lynxman> hi everyone, I've just been accepted as an ubuntu member and I would like to get an irc cloak please? Launchpad ID lynxman (https://launchpad.net/~lynxman)
[09:02]  * Fuchs pokes the AlanBell :)
[09:02] <AlanBell> ouchies
[09:02] <AlanBell> right in the rips
[09:02] <AlanBell> ribs
[09:02] <Fuchs> sorry :(   *hands cake*
[09:02] <AlanBell> mmm cake
[09:02] <Fuchs> you've got a customer! :)
[09:03] <AlanBell> hi lynxman
[09:03] <AlanBell> that all appears to be in order
[09:03] <AlanBell> staff can we have an /ubuntu/member/lynxman cloak for lynxman please
[09:03] <Fuchs> yes!
[09:03] <niko> hi
[09:04] <AlanBell> \o/
[09:04] <lynxman> AlanBell: thanks :)
[09:04] <Fuchs> lynxman: your cloak has been set, congratulations
[09:04] <niko> lynxman: congrats
[09:04] <lynxman> wohoo thanks guys \o/
[09:04] <Fuchs> and here, free cake along!  *hands cake*
[09:04] <lynxman> oh wow, even cake
[09:35]  * LinuxMonkey says the cake was a lie!
[12:57] <em> hey AlanBell are you here?
[12:58] <AlanBell> yes
[12:58] <em> hi. I think I was banned in #ubuntu-uk a long time ago for a bad connection.
[12:58] <AlanBell> yeah, I think so
[13:01] <em> Well I was hoping that could be lifted
[13:08] <IdleOne> em, may I ask why you need access to ubuntu-uk?
[13:09] <IdleOne> afaik you are not in the UK and are not a part of the ubuntu UK loco
[13:25] <AlanBell> hi em, sorry, I got distracted by the secure boot announcements
[13:25] <AlanBell> I am a bit curious why you want to be in the -uk channel but that is fine, we have an assortment of visitors from all over the world who are very welcome
[13:26] <AlanBell> the ban has been removed, I do hope your connection is nice and fixed
[13:37] <em> AlanBell: yeah I think so
[13:37] <em> AlanBell: I don't usually talk in -uk but I have quite a few friends in there, and especially now that this football stuff is going on
[13:38] <AlanBell> fair enough
[13:38] <AlanBell> not much into the footie myself
[13:38] <em> Im not either. I just become interested during these big international tournaments
[13:39] <IdleOne> AlanBell, Italy is going to murder England on Sunday :)
[13:40]  * IdleOne is predidcting a 4-0 win for Italy
[13:41] <DJones> IdleOne: Only one try in the game?
[13:41] <IdleOne> I don't understand the question
[13:42] <DJones> IdleOne: I don't watch football, my game is rugby league, so 4 points would be an unconverted try
[13:42] <IdleOne> lol
[13:42] <IdleOne> I don't know rugby at all.
[13:42] <IdleOne> that is why I had no idea what you were on about
[13:42] <AlanBell> it is like American football, but less soft
[13:43] <IdleOne> oh, I know that much
[13:43] <Staffpony> Unfortunately some people call Handegg also Football, which can lead to confusion
[13:43] <IdleOne> just don't know the rules or how they keep score
[13:45] <DJones> You sound like a perfect candidate to become a referee, not knowing the rules :)
[13:46] <IdleOne> heh
[13:46] <IdleOne> How much does tat pay?
[13:47] <DJones> Not sure, we have some full time ref's, so must be a fairly reasonable salary
[13:48]  * IdleOne moves to rugbyland and applies for a job
[13:51] <topyli> IdleOne: beware, the players will be all over you teaching you the rules
[13:52] <IdleOne> I'm a fairly quick study
[13:52] <IdleOne> Only need to head butt me once so I learn to duck
[13:53] <topyli> smart!
[22:11] <Unit193> Tm_T: Congrats on getting the position now that it's official!
[22:33] <ninnnu> Tm_T: Congrats
[22:59] <genii-around> I find it disappointing that only 48 of 117 voted.
[23:00]  * genii-around slides Tm_T a congratulatory beverage
[23:03] <pleia2> it's much better than the last CC election (252 of 694)
[23:04] <pleia2> people hate voting :)
[23:04] <TheLordOfTime> pleia2:  some of us who wanted to vote were not allowed
[23:04] <TheLordOfTime> because of certain restrictions on whom could vote
[23:05] <pleia2> it's just the IRC Members team
[23:05] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[23:05] <TheLordOfTime> that's what i mean :P
[23:05] <pleia2> should be motivation to apply for the team, pretty much the only perk is voting rights
[23:14] <genii-around> TheLordOfTime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Membership
[23:34] <AlanBell> TheLordOfTime: want to be in that group?
[23:35] <AlanBell> I added a few during the election for people who wanted to vote and were Ubuntu Members but not in that group
[23:35] <IdleOne> So what is the criteria for being in that group?
[23:37] <pleia2> the wiki page genii linked explains, but it's easier if you're already an ubuntu member since you've already satisfied the "significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu" part
[23:37] <AlanBell> 1. be an Ubuntu Member
[23:38] <AlanBell> 2. ask to be in the group
[23:38] <AlanBell> when the IRC Council awards membership you go directly into that group
[23:38] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[23:38] <IdleOne> TheLordOfTime: ask and ye shall receive
[23:39] <AlanBell> ask, and tell me your launchpad id


  I've not heard thay anyone did.  It *should* work, as long as you use Nokia's kernel, but no guarantees.
[02:42] <wolfant> I'll try and see what happens
[02:43] <persia> Good lcuk!
[02:44] <wolfant> thanks
[06:47] <orbarron|nb> not sure if you anyone can help... but is there a way to switch from ubuntu to UNR easy? I would also like to switch back to ubuntu as well...
[06:49] <persia> Different environments should be selectable as different sessions in the session manager.
[06:49] <persia> If they aren't, you may want to install more packages: for example, install "ubuntu-desktop" to get a desktop.
[06:56] <orbarron|nb> ahh found it.. thanks
[07:18] <Amit_Karpe> When will lucid-armel-omap will released ??
[07:19] <persia> about 12 hours ago.
[07:19] <persia> But it's not an official release, just frozen snapshot images.
[07:19]  * persia hunts a URL
[07:20] <persia> Which flavour did you want?
[07:21] <Amit_Karpe> Are you talking about this URL ??  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/
[07:21] <Amit_Karpe> I want to test all :)
[07:21] <Amit_Karpe> u* or k* -- netbook
[07:21] <persia> Hrm.  Seems the images didn't get copied.
[07:22] <Amit_Karpe> Given site is down saying --> "The connection was reset"
[07:23] <persia> I suspect they need test reports and prompting of someone.  You can grab the "prerelease" images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img
[07:23] <persia> Yeah, the server is *swamped* with people downloading it.
[07:24] <persia> Well, that and all the other images that are on cdimage instead of releases.ubuntu.com
[07:24] <persia> It should work if you're patient.  Alternately, wait a couple days for the excitement to calm down (although that's not as much fun)
[07:24] <ogra> persia, ports werent published yet
[07:24] <persia> ogra: Why not?
[07:24] <ogra> should happen soon
[07:25] <persia> ogra: imx51/dove netbook was published.
[07:25] <persia> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[07:25] <ogra> yes, they are on releases.u.c
[07:26] <ogra> everything that stays on cdimage.u.c wasnt published under thge release directories
[07:26] <persia> Aha!  And now it all makes sense.
[07:27] <persia> Amit_Karpe: My apologies: instead of "About 12 hours ago", I should have said "Real Soon Now".
[07:27] <persia> Note that there is no specific time involved in "Real Soon Now", but it oughtn't be that long.
[07:27] <persia> (mostly a matter of copying files to the right places at this point, I believe)
[07:29] <suihkulokki> boohoo, LP #446552 was not fixed in lucid
[07:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446552 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "url_downloadable ignores proxy settings (affects: 24) (dups: 2) (heat: 138)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446552
[07:31] <persia> It wasn't?  It says it was.
[07:32] <Amit_Karpe> persia: Thank You. Lets wait till "Real Soon Now".
[07:32] <persia> Amit_Karpe: If you like.  I'm absolutely sure the images will be bit-identical when someone gets around to copying them.
[07:32] <suihkulokki> persia: I still see it contacting without talking to the proxy and the buggy code is using httplib is still there
[07:32] <persia> suihkulokki: Please reopen the lucid task on the bug with documentation of your results.  It shouldn't do that.
[07:35] <Amit_Karpe> As of now I am playing with Prebuil Lucid image. I am able to run that on BB.
[07:35] <Amit_Karpe> And  I am going to install netbook-launcher.
[07:36] <ogra> install netbook-launcher-efl rather :)
[07:36] <Amit_Karpe> I had completed installation
[07:36] <persia> If you already have an image, you can upgrade to final with `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[07:36] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[07:36] <Amit_Karpe> great.
[07:37] <persia> No point downloading *another* image and doing the installation again.
[07:37] <ogra> or do-release-upgrade :)
[07:37] <persia> ogra: Does that work from milestone to final?
[07:37] <Amit_Karpe> Let me try netbook-launcher and then I will update you my results
[07:37] <ogra> should
[07:37]  * persia has only done do-release-upgrade to get from one release to the next
[07:41] <Amit_Karpe> netbook-launcher required any gdm or lxdm ??
[07:42] <ogra> yes
[07:42] <ogra> also dont install netbook-launcher you want netbook-launcher-efl
[07:42] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[07:43] <Amit_Karpe> then now should remove  netbook-launcher and install  netbook-launcher-efl ??
[07:43] <Amit_Karpe> while running  netbook-launcher I got this error -->  http://pastebin.com/ZgjbWzJR
[07:45] <ogra> cannot open display means you have no X running
[07:45] <ogra> install gdm first
[07:45] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[07:52] <Amit_Karpe> ogra: Should I install lxdm instead of gdm ? I think lxdm is very light ?
[07:52] <ogra> no idea, i have never used lxdm
[07:53] <ogra> you surely could though
[07:53] <Amit_Karpe> or xdm ?
[07:53] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[08:31] <hrw> morning
[09:32] <slips> hi
[09:33] <slips> anyone tried building a lucid rootfs in rootstock and succeeded booting it in qemu?
[09:36] <slips> I keep getting an error during boot saying "ureadahead main process (275) terminated with status 5", then the screen goes black after a few seconds.
[09:36] <slips> I think plymouth has something to do with it...
[09:36] <hrw> let me fetch proper kernel
[09:38] <hrw> booting
[09:39] <ogra_cmpc> slips, status 5 is fine it just tells you it wont profile your disk
[09:42] <slips> hmm
[09:42] <slips> ok, then ureadahead is not part of the problem.
[09:42] <ogra_cmpc> right
[09:43] <ogra_cmpc> do you use any console= option on your cmdline ?
[09:43] <slips> i've tried a few. tty0, ttyAMA0,baud etc.
[09:43] <ogra_cmpc> that will make plymouth switch off the splash
[09:44] <ogra_cmpc> might cause the black screen you get
[09:45] <slips> ah
[09:45] <lool> morning hrw
[09:45] <lool> well morning all :)
[09:46] <ogra_cmpc> morning lool
[09:48] <slips> so it might not be plymouth either..
[09:49] <slips> strange this is that after the screen turns black, there's never any more output
[09:49] <slips> however, if I boot into runlevel 1, i get the console
[09:52] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyol_wine
[09:52] <DanaG> er
[09:52] <DanaG> wrong tab
[09:52] <DanaG> sorry, off-topic for here.
[09:58] <hrw> slips: black console here too
[09:59] <hrw> booting with console on stdio
[10:01] <hrw> with "console=ttyAMA0" and "-serial stdio" it boots properly to text console (my image does not have x11)
[10:04] <slips> nice
[10:04] <slips> that actually worked.
[10:05] <slips> thanks
[10:06] <hrw> add "quiet" instead
[10:06] <hrw> should also make plymouth happy
[10:06] <slips> i'll try
[10:10] <slips> worked like a charm.
[10:11] <hrw> cool
[10:13] <siji> mike^ u there
[10:28] <dmart> lool: hi there
[10:31] <dmart> asac: hi
[10:35] <dmart> apw: lool suggested to me that you know something about the packaging of the userspace perf tools--- do you have a moment to look at a blueprint draft?
[10:38] <lool> hey Dave
[10:38] <dmart> lool: hi, I thought everyone must be hung over / having a lie in / travelling ;)
[10:38] <asac> hi dmart
[10:39] <amitk> dmart: its back to work on maverick :)
[10:39]  * dmart seems to have woken everyone up
[10:39] <asac> right. thats the pace of ubuntu ;) ... no rest
[10:39]  * amitk is taking next week off
[10:40] <asac> lagger :-P
[10:40] <dmart> lool: Will had an initial stab at the profiling blueprint--- mind taking a look?
[10:40] <dmart> (Will = wildea01)
[10:40] <wildea01> hello
[10:46] <lool> dmart: sure
[10:47] <dmart> It would be good if someone from your end can add comments on the tool packaging and profiling frontends currently in use, would apw be the right person?
[10:47] <apw> dmart, i've packaged the kernel perf tool as its kernel version locked
[10:47] <lool> wildea01: heya
[10:48] <wildea01> lool: hi
[10:48] <wildea01> apw: currently it's only packaged for x86/amd64 afaict
[10:48] <lool> apw: So dmart is looking in what would need to happen to have it on armel as well I guess
[10:48] <apw> its not packages for armel cause its not supported on arm
[10:48] <apw> iirc
[10:48] <lool> apw: Also, there might be some kernel patches needed to get it working there
[10:48] <lool> yeah
[10:49] <wildea01> the patches are in 2.6.33 I think
[10:49] <apw> so likely we can enable it for M then
[10:50] <dmart> that's what the blueprint is about :)
[10:50] <dmart> apw: would you mind having a quick look at the current draft to see if there's anything you would add?
[10:50] <apw> url ?
[10:51] <wildea01> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMDebuggingWithOprofileAndPerf
[10:51] <wildea01> I only just wrote it, so feel free to change it :)
[10:53] <lool> apw: Is the change to packaging a 2 minutes job that we just need to ping you about, or will you want patches?
[10:54] <apw> if this is already enableable in 2.6.34 then its a bit flip pretty much
[10:56] <apw> wildea01, the spec looks fine for a draft, i suspect the kernel work is a slam dunk but best to list it in case it isn't
[10:57] <wildea01> apw: okey doke, thanks
[10:59] <dmart> lool, apw: are there frontend tools in place for perf yet?
[10:59] <lool> dmart: You mean graphical?
[10:59] <lool> dmart: there are commandline frontends
[10:59] <lool> the perf command in the perf-`uname -r` packages
[10:59] <lool> well the linux-tools-xxx rather
[10:59] <dmart> If there were gui frontends already available for other arches, we would want to ensure arm has them too
[11:00] <wildea01> lool: the only visual one I could see is perf timechart, and I didn't quite understand what I was looking at :)
[11:00] <apw> lool, right in linux-tools
[11:01] <Amit_Karpe> ogra, persia : Thanks a lot you help. Please check snap of my running netbook-launcher-elf http://amitkarpe.posterous.com/ and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfdetzHGEcc
[11:01] <lool> wildea01: The spec looks ok, but keep the summary to a couple of sentences describing the goal e.g. "Providing perf and oprofile support for ARM"; move the list of work items to the Implementation section
[11:01] <lool> wildea01: But that's already more than you need for UDS, looks good!
[11:02] <wildea01> lool: thanks, I'll shift some of the summary down to the implementation
[11:03] <dmart> lool, apw, wildea01: ok, sounds like we have a blueprint.  Thanks for the help, guys
[11:10] <ogra_cmpc> Amit_Karpe, the images were moved, i updated the link on the wiki a while ago
[11:11] <ogra_cmpc> (and renames to the proper release names)
[11:11] <ogra_cmpc> *renamed
[11:11] <Amit_Karpe> thx.
[11:12] <Amit_Karpe> Should do it again or just `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` ?
[11:13] <Amit_Karpe> or or do-release-upgrade  ??
[11:13] <ogra_cmpc> i meant that your blog entry points to the daily images
[11:13] <Amit_Karpe> k
[11:13] <ogra_cmpc> your system should be up to date :)
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> the netbook image is now at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> called buntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img
[11:14] <Amit_Karpe> ok, I will update it.
[12:07]  * ogra_cmpc sighs
[12:08] <ogra_cmpc> netbook-launcher-efl pulls in half of gnome
[12:08]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt get why
[12:13] <ogra_cmpc> oh, silly recommends
[14:21] <langabe> Hi, trying to launch a rootstock built karmic rootfs with ubuntu-desktop seed but init stops with -- udevd[570]: failed to create queue file: No space left on device --, any ideas?
[14:26] <ogra> did you pick a proper imagesize in the options ?
[14:26] <ogra> oh, to slow :P
[15:46] <apw> ogra, yo ... does lsusb work on your arm platforms
[15:56] <hrw> apw: why it should not?
[15:57] <apw> have a machine here where it is not, but i think we have it nailed
[15:59] <hrw> works for me on beagleboard
[16:00] <hrw> worked for me on many other arm devices too
[16:05] <ogra> apw, usually works
[16:07] <ogra> asac, so my minimal system running X, fbpanel, metacity, xterm and efl launcher consumes 27MB according to htop
[16:07] <ogra> though its indeed very limited in functionality
[16:09] <amitk> ogra: on beagle?
[16:09] <ogra> yes
[16:10] <amitk> nice, I would be interested in that as dev environ. Do you have a seed?
[16:10] <ogra> i started off bootstrapping a minbase chroot and then only installed very few bits
[16:10] <ogra> no, but i can roll a tarball over the weekend
[16:11] <ogra> there is a ton of stuff thats still broken i surely miss a lot of bits
[16:12] <ogra> the complete system uses only 515M on disk currently
[16:12] <ogra> so i should be able to tar that to 2-300
[16:15] <amitk> ogra: just a package list would be great on the minimal chroot
[16:16] <amitk> no pressure though, after UDS is just fine :)
[16:16] <ogra> oh, right, you are gone next week anyway :)
[16:16] <ogra> i'll have something for you by uds for sure ...
[16:26] <hrw> ~curse loop device
[16:29] <ogra> ?
[16:31] <hrw> I got out of loop devices again
[16:32] <hrw> vm-builder uses loop devices and if it break then I need to umount that by hand
[16:32] <ogra> hrw, help me inplement my spec then :)
[16:32] <ogra> yeah
[16:32] <hrw> ogra: url to it?
[16:32] <ogra> <-- not a big fan of the bloated vm-builder
[16:32] <ogra> hrw, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/userspace-loop-mounting
[16:33] <hrw> ogra: fuse do not have isofs?
[16:33] <ogra> my initial goal was to hev rootstock not require root
[16:33] <ogra> fuse might have iso but nothing for loop
[16:34] <ogra> i want to be able to loop mount in my homedir without sudo/root
[16:34] <ogra> and even preferably without using a loop device :)
[16:34] <ogra> (not sure thats possible but i didnt start researching yet)
[16:35] <ogra> nbd could once do that, if you had started the nbd-server as a user you could mount an image as the same user
[16:35] <ogra> but sadly since it got deeper integrated in the kernel it has the same constraints as loop mounting


[17:24] <kaipanoi_> Anyone else feel that AT&T MPLS Ethernet outage last Monday? :/
[17:47] <holstein> kaipanoi_: apparently im on the fringes of civilization
[17:47] <holstein> i can only get charter, or really crap DSL
[17:47] <holstein> milleja46: o/
[17:57] <milleja46> holstein: hi
[18:21] <kaipanoi_> I meant at work. We have fiber ethernet. There was a major outage. Sucked hard.
[18:21] <kaipanoi_> where is this fringe, you speak of? :)
[18:22] <holstein> downtown asheville ;)
[18:22] <holstein> i can see the court house from my front porch, but i can get decent upload speeds :/
[18:53] <MarkB1> charter used to have a good deal bundle in Haywood cty ... but that was yearns ago, and they were starting to oversubscribe even then
[19:10] <kaipanoi_> sounds right for Asheville ;)