[00:12] <shtylman> I can't change my timezone...
[00:12] <shtylman> wtf
[00:13] <yofel> Oxymoron: dunno what it was, but If I remove ibus here kaffeine and dragon still work fine. . .
[00:19] <maco> shtylman: in systemsettings? yeah someone else was complaining about that the other day. i can reproduce
[00:19] <shtylman> yea
[00:26] <Oxymoron> yofel: Well I dont know, maybe some config error somewhere I dont know
[01:08] <nixternal> AWESOME! That's all I have to say about today's weather, the road, my bike, and of course me!
[01:08] <Riddell> bah, snow here
[01:09] <maco> Riddell: your silly country doesnt know it's spring, eh?
[01:09] <Riddell> seems not, humph
[01:09] <crimsun> possessives.
[01:10] <maco> crimsun: what?
[01:10] <crimsun> I'm harumphing about the ambiguity there
[01:11] <maco> "it's" is the one i mean
[01:11] <maco> not "its"
[01:11] <crimsun> yes, I know
[01:11] <crimsun> I'm not implying that *you* were incorrect; I'm implying that it's a shame that the use there can be ambiguous
[01:11] <maco> good thing it's text then
[01:20] <Riddell> shtylman: ubiquity is complex these days
[01:21] <shtylman> Riddell: indeed it is :)
[01:21] <shtylman> gonna hopefully tackle some bugs tonight
[01:22] <Riddell> shtylman: I was looking at bug 540202
[01:22] <shtylman> ahh yea.. that good one
[01:22] <Riddell> in ubi-language.py the gtk side has a bit where it hides all the widgets
[01:22] <shtylman> what has to be done (basically) is hide the widget
[01:22] <shtylman> yea
[01:22] <Riddell> then in on_language_selection_changed it shows them again
[01:22] <shtylman> right
[01:23] <Riddell> but it doesn't show say the alpha warning widget
[01:23] <shtylman> but... there is a problem with that.. I think
[01:23] <Riddell> and I don't understand why not
[01:23] <shtylman> haha .. when you do show again it doesn't?
[01:23] <shtylman> how are you hiding the widgets? just the top level one right?
[01:24] <Riddell>             for w in self.page.get_children():
[01:24] <Riddell>                 w.show()
[01:24] <Riddell> that's what the gtk side does
[01:24] <shtylman> you don't need to do that tho
[01:24] <Riddell> but I don't understand why that doesn't then show the alpha warning which we want to keep hidden
[01:24] <shtylman> its sufficient to hide the parent widget
[01:24] <shtylman> it may not be a child of the right thing?
[01:28] <Riddell> just using self.page.hide() doesn't seem to do much
[01:35] <shtylman> Riddell: k.. ill check into it :)
[01:35] <Riddell> shtylman: seems like the gtk side only adds the widgets if they're needed, whereas on the kde side all the widgets are always there
[01:36] <shtylman> don't see why they can't be there
[01:37] <Riddell> well something must be stopping them being shown at on_language_selection_changed
[02:07] <Riddell> shtylman: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF
[02:07] <Riddell> that seems to do it
[02:07] <Riddell> could you test and commit?
[02:07] <shtylman> Riddell: indeed I will
[02:07] <shtylman> thanks
[02:08] <shtylman> my vm is updating at the moment
[02:08] <Riddell> hi promulo, here is good
[02:10] <promulo> ok
[02:11] <promulo> Riddell: well, I want to make the proposal, do you have some suggestions/documentation/requirements/etc that I have to cover?
[02:18] <Riddell> promulo: in the first instance https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidFileSharing
[02:18] <Riddell> promulo: so fixing up the SMB stuff first
[02:19] <Riddell> then making a decent webdav file sharing method through KDE
[02:21] <promulo> Riddell: ok... I'll take a look
[02:23] <promulo> do you prefer that I send the early proposal to you before submit it or want to give the feedback already in Melange?
[02:25] <Riddell> promulo: make a wiki page under https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010 and ping me here
[02:27] <ScottK> ryanakca: What's up with libqinfinity and kobby?  It looks like there was a beta4 back in December that's not packaged.
[02:37] <ScottK> rgreening: Have you been following kobby?
[02:38] <rgreening> nope. not sure the current status. whats debian got?
[02:42] <ScottK> Same as us
[02:42]  * ScottK kicks ryanakca again.
[02:42] <ScottK> There's a beta4 needs to get done.
[02:43] <ScottK> They both need rebuilding due to libinfinote getting updated, may as well move to the newer beta I'd think.
[02:43] <rgreening> If I get some time and ryanakca doesnt get to it first, though I am tied up today/tomorrow...
[02:44] <ScottK> OK.
[02:44] <ScottK> It'll likely need an FFe, but should be easy enough to get.
[03:12] <ScottK> Riddell: If you're still awake: workspace failed because your 106 changes didn't apply.
[03:14] <rgreening> bwahahahaaha
[03:15] <rgreening> the package is Riddled with failure
[03:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Easily fixable.
[03:20] <ScottK> So it's my turn for one of those.  Wrong -p option.
[03:20] <rgreening> heh
[03:26] <ryanakca> ScottK: Those in -qt-kde told me not to until upstream ported Kobby/libqinfinity from infinoted-0.3 to infinoted-0.4.
[03:27] <ScottK> ryanakca: Well we've already got infinote-0.4 in Lucid, so we either need to get it working with that or removed.
[03:27] <ryanakca> rgreening: I have it all packaged in the kde-extras SVN iirc.
[03:28] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK, I'll take a look at libqinfinity/kobby with that. Do you need it before this time tomorrow?
[03:29] <ScottK> ryanakca: No, but the sooner the better.
[03:29] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK. I'll do it when I get back from school tomorrow. Good night
[03:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[03:44] <shtylman> Riddell: doing the loop is wrong
[03:45] <shtylman> cause then all the widgets get shown
[03:45] <shtylman> and we don't want that
[03:45] <shtylman> cause there are oem widgets and whatnot
[03:45] <shtylman> I will investigate why the alpha text isn't showing
[03:46] <ScottK> Do we need the alpha text anymore?
[03:46] <shtylman> that might also be true.. maybe the text isn't actually supposed to be displayed?
[03:47] <ScottK> I think it is, but it may be a bug we don't care about until Lucid +1 at this point.  I don't recall when it gets dropped.
[03:48] <shtylman> k
[03:57] <shtylman> Riddell: nvm... I have the fix.. slight modification to your patch, I just make a list of the widgets I have hidden so that showing is a simpler loop
[05:22]  * ScottK larts lex79 for losing the 4.4.1-0ubuntu7 kdebase-workspace upload with all the plymouth integration fixes in it.
[05:23] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ tseliot's stuff needs to get readdeed to workspace.
[05:42] <rgreening> Gak!!!!!!!!
[05:52] <JontheEchidna> ~lart
[05:52] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help lart'
[05:52] <JontheEchidna> ~lart lex79
[05:52]  * kubotu smacks lex79 in the face with a burlap sack full of broken glass
[05:52] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[05:52] <JontheEchidna> a bit harsh
[05:53] <ScottK> Can't sleep, so I'm fixing.
[06:04] <ScottK> Uploaded.  Good night.
[06:29] <promulo> Riddell: ping
[08:23] <jussi01> nixternal: I challenge you to make us a new plymouth theme with this in mind :D  http://is.gd/b9k4A
[09:33] <apachelogger_> oh
[09:33] <apachelogger_> april 1st again
[09:33] <apachelogger_> anyhow
[09:34] <Sput> yeah, which means that it's as usual worth hopping over to http://xkcd.com/
[09:34] <apachelogger_> I am so almighty, I could build mysql on my router's cpu
[09:34] <apachelogger_> oh
[09:34] <apachelogger_> and I got a nice and cosy _
[09:36] <apachelogger____> ahh
[09:36] <apachelogger____> Sput: fancy
[09:36] <apachelogger____> xkcd++
[09:37]  * apachelogger____ has a mysql source tarball
[09:37] <apachelogger____> now for diffing and building :/
[09:37] <Sput> apachelogger____: and you can do fun stuff in the shell too
[09:39] <markey> hello apachelogger____, I wanted to tell you something
[09:39] <markey> (not sure what)
[09:39] <markey> just tell
[09:39] <apachelogger____> phew
[09:40] <markey> maybe: a good morning to you ;)
[09:40]  * apachelogger____ hugs markey and kisses him on the cheek
[09:40] <markey> oi
[09:40]  * apachelogger____ blushes
[09:41]  * apachelogger____ turns up the volume
[09:41] <apachelogger____> kubotu: np
[09:41] <kubotu> apachelogger____ doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[09:41] <apachelogger____> omg!
[09:41] <apachelogger____> kubotu: np apachelogger
[09:41] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Full Throttle" by The Prodigy [Music For The Jilted Generation, 2007] 10 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5JMejXFzgKVVE5zyCrf42V] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[09:41] <apachelogger____> omg!
[09:42]  * apachelogger____ gives up and continues poking mysql
[09:49] <Sput> kubotu: np Sput42
[09:49] <kubotu> Sput42 listened to "Weltfremd" by Reaper [Hell Starts With An H, 2007] 8 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/7hyshvROqbA9yXIcvT8Plg] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Sput42 for more
[09:50] <Quintasan> sup? how's April Fools?
[09:50] <Quintasan> I wonder
[09:50] <Quintasan> kubotu: np Quintasan
[09:50] <kubotu> Quintasan listened to "Yuukyuu no Tsubasa" by Nakajima Yumiko 12 hours ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more
[09:50] <Quintasan> :3
[10:03] <apachelogger____> Riddell: I think we should add a reboot trigger to kdelibs5
[10:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger____:  \o
[10:03] <apachelogger____> or at least add some magic that adds the trigger for source version changes
[10:03] <Quintasan> nice nick :O
[10:04] <apachelogger____> or at least add a new trigger type that ask to relogin
[10:04] <apachelogger____> Quintasan: thanks, it doesnt seem to go away
[10:04]  * Quintasan is almost done with koffice
[10:05]  * apachelogger____ has working akonadi startup \\o/
[10:05] <apachelogger____> well, except for dbus issues
[10:06] <apachelogger____> but at least the server now starts without going bonkers about missing tables
[10:09] <ghostcube_maemo> hi
[10:15]  * ghostcube hugs his N900
[10:22] <apachelogger____> does kubuntu run on the n900 yet?
[10:23]  * apachelogger____ will make his router run kubuntu
[10:23] <apachelogger____> muahahaha
[10:54] <Riddell> apachelogger____: why a reboot triger?
[10:55] <apachelogger____> Riddell: because otherwise the users are in danger of running into issues that were triggered by incompability from say a 4.3 kdelibs and a 4.4 konqueror
[10:55] <apachelogger____> because they forgot to relogin
[10:55] <apachelogger____> or they didnt know to begin with
[10:56] <apachelogger____> by issuing the reboot notification we can at least make them aware that a reboot is of need
[10:57] <Riddell> apachelogger____: so a reboot on upgrading to a new minor KDE version?
[10:58] <apachelogger____> Riddell: it is saves I think
[10:58] <apachelogger____> upgrade 4.4.0 => 4.4.1 notify
[10:58] <apachelogger____> upgrade 4.4.0-0ubuntu1 => 4.4.0-0ubuntu2 no notifciation
[11:00] <Riddell> so KDE point releases
[11:01] <Riddell> but they /should/ be compatible
[11:01] <apachelogger____> that does not mean that a bugfix in a kded module makes some other component behave oddly
[11:02] <apachelogger____> Also, in general a restart after any kind of KDE source version update is a good idea IMHO
[11:02] <apachelogger____> And be it only so that all bugfixes become available to the user.
[11:03]  * apachelogger____ notes that only doing it for minor KDE versions also makes the implementation a bit more complicate ;)
[11:04] <Riddell> if you have an implementation then go for it
[11:05] <apachelogger____> I need to do one first, but I have an idea on how to archive it ;)
[11:12]  * apachelogger____ is wondering why the workspace branch is that large
[11:12] <apachelogger____> uhm
[11:12] <apachelogger____> -.-
[11:20] <apachelogger____> hm, ok, that idea was limited in scope -.-
[11:25] <freeflying> Riddell: any chance to sync package from sid now?
[11:34] <Riddell> freeflying: not until after beta
[11:36] <freeflying> Riddell: #538952
[11:41] <apachelogger____> Riddell: should freeze should be broken in favor of getting working akonadi?
[11:41] <apachelogger____> s/should//
[11:41]  * apachelogger____ has serious langauge problems
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger____: if you have a working tested solution which isn't too complicated that would be lovely
[11:42] <apachelogger____> highly depends on the defintion of complicated :S
[11:42] <apachelogger____> mysql requires some file movement from -server to -server-core
[11:43] <apachelogger____> -server-core in consequence replaces the old -server
[11:43] <apachelogger____> akonadi requires new -server-core and requires a couple of lines patch
[11:43] <apachelogger____> the akonadi part is really the less invasive part here
[11:48] <jussi01> apachelogger____: how much other stuff does that break? (if any)
[11:48] <apachelogger____> none I shall hope
[11:49] <apachelogger____> of course there is no telling what miracles mysql got stashed away just to annoy me even more
[11:49] <jussi01> apachelogger____: so other programs that rely on -server? (are there any?) etc
[11:49] <apachelogger____> I bet if mysql ate a gator it would also explod
[11:49] <jussi01> lol
[11:49]  * jussi01 hugs apachelogger____
[11:49] <apachelogger____> jussi01: mysql-server depends on mysql-server-core
[11:50] <jussi01> ahh
[11:50] <apachelogger____> so that should not cause any trouble
[11:51] <jussi01> theres a heck of a lot of rdepends on -server...
[11:52] <apachelogger____> hm
[11:52] <apachelogger____> This makes me think that if there should be any problems they would be reported rather quickly
[11:52] <apachelogger____> IMHO this is more of an advantage than anything else
[11:53] <jussi01> thats true.
[11:53] <jussi01> apachelogger____: perhaps worth dropping the affected packages in a PPA and having a few people test?
[11:54] <jussi01> apachelogger____: btw, did you get my pm earlier?
[11:54]  * apachelogger____ would rather drop it in the archives and let a lot more people test ;)
[11:54] <apachelogger____> esp since mysql takes 3 billion years to build
[11:54] <jussi01> lol
[11:58] <Tm_T> this is just nuts, 16 hours and still building, nice blockers: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ross
[11:58] <Tm_T> the other ppc builder, not much better either: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/adare
[12:02] <ScottK> Tm_T: All the buildds are pretty hammerred.
[12:04] <jussi01> oh and btw: http://dot.kde.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations
[12:04] <apachelogger____> Tm_T: that sure is a kernel
[12:05] <apachelogger____> or maybe they are now rendering movies in soyuz *shrug*
[12:05] <apachelogger____> maybe it is an animated entertainment movie of the special sort *shrug*
[12:06] <amichair> what's mysql doing in a desktop?
[12:07] <apachelogger____> amichair: storing data :P
[12:07] <apachelogger____> that would be the use of a database I think
[12:07]  * apachelogger____ notes that his cpu is exploding
[12:08] <apachelogger____> I shall write a letter to intel congratulating them on the stability of atom
[12:08] <apachelogger____> mysqlx2 + akonadix2 + kde-l10nx2...
[12:08] <apachelogger____> yet my netbook did not explode
[12:10] <amichair> apachelogger____: whacu up to?
[12:11] <Tm_T> ScottK: yes but one private package taking soon whole day to build...
[12:12]  * amichair places a cookie on apachelogger's tray ___
[12:21] <apachelogger____> amichair: world domination!!!!!
[12:21] <apachelogger____> amichair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mto2095euHQ
[12:21] <apachelogger____> amichair++
[12:21] <apachelogger____> cookies++
[12:21] <apachelogger____> mysql--
[12:22] <amichair> wow, quite the wakeup call
[12:23] <amichair> think I'll start my day with something a bit more mellow
[12:23] <apachelogger____> even more mellow?
[12:24] <amichair> maybe the sound of purring kittens
[12:24] <amichair> (remixed)
[12:24] <apachelogger____> I could have gne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sbxOlk-Z1E
[12:24] <apachelogger____> s/gne/gone
[12:24] <apachelogger____> or better yet for the auto remix :P
[12:25] <apachelogger____> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AjWANl7Ug
[12:27]  * apachelogger____ always gets scared when stress goes all in :/
[12:28] <apachelogger____> Riddell: uploaded mysql and akonadi
[12:28]  * amichair is still in shock
[12:29]  * apachelogger____ hands amichair a cup of tea
[12:29] <Tm_T> I really wonder what are those private sources blocking rest of kde coming to me
[12:35]  * apachelogger____ zsyncs daily-live
[12:43] <Riddell> lex79: I see pitti has reverted the change to hal
[12:45] <Riddell> apachelogger____: no sign of mysql in unapproved
[12:46] <apachelogger____> meeeeh
[12:46] <apachelogger____> ubuntu10 is already in
[12:47] <apachelogger____> mysql--
[12:47] <apachelogger____> the only thing better than building mysql on a netbook, is merging mysql on a netbook
[12:49] <apachelogger____> oh my
[12:49] <apachelogger____> :'(
[12:49] <Riddell> uh oh
[12:50] <apachelogger____> yay 2 rejects
[12:50] <apachelogger____> \o/
[12:50] <apachelogger____> as if touching 4 files - 2 rejects
[12:51] <apachelogger____> well
[12:52] <apachelogger____> once that is done I will spend the rest of the day ranting the bugs out of the netbook thingy
[12:52] <apachelogger____> that window management is not broken it is delibaretely made to annoy me
[12:53] <apachelogger____> kubotu: np
[12:53] <kubotu> apachelogger____ doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[12:54] <apachelogger____> kubotu: np apachelogger
[12:57]  * apachelogger____ waits another 10 minutes until a source package gets spit out
[13:10] <apachelogger____> Riddell: mysql should now be in
[13:11] <apachelogger____> oh
[13:11] <apachelogger____> <3 bugs
[13:12] <Riddell> apachelogger____: have you shown the akonadi patch to upstream at all?
[13:12] <apachelogger____> Riddell: it is from upstream
[13:12] <Riddell> even better
[13:13] <apachelogger____> ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ftw!
[13:13] <apachelogger____> package does not exist ftw!
[13:14]  * Riddell accepts akonadi and mysql and hugs apachelogger____
[13:16] <apachelogger____> Riddell: thanks
[13:16] <apachelogger____> rgreening: bug 553243
[13:18] <rgreening> apachelogger____: its already fixed and evand needs to release the fix
[13:19] <apachelogger____> mhh
[13:19] <apachelogger____> when is that happening?
[13:19] <apachelogger____> oh nice
[13:19]  * apachelogger____ experiences bugs while reporting bugs
[13:19] <agateau> apachelogger____: be careful not to end up in an infinite bug loop!
[13:21] <rgreening> lol
[13:21] <rgreening> apachelogger____: the bug actually cam about due to updates to pyqt and QVariant useage changes
[13:22] <rgreening> so I had to change some of the QVariant calls in the kde frontend for usb creator
[13:23]  * apachelogger____ feels urged to file a please-remove bug against python
[13:23] <apachelogger____> bug 553248
[13:23] <apachelogger____> if someone could confirm that
[13:23] <apachelogger____> kthx
[13:24] <apachelogger____> rgreening: how do I create a stick now -.-
[13:24] <apachelogger____> ah
[13:24]  * apachelogger____ installs unetbootin
[13:25] <apachelogger____> mhhh
[13:25] <apachelogger____> nice c++ware works
[13:25] <apachelogger____> c+++++
[13:25] <apachelogger____> c++++
[13:25] <apachelogger____> actually
[13:27] <rgreening> apachelogger____: well, you could pull the lp:usb-creator and update the frontend.py from kde dir to the system one :)
[13:27] <rgreening> :)
[13:27] <rgreening> ill poke ev to release
[13:27] <apachelogger____> oh dear
[13:27]  * apachelogger____ falls over
[13:29] <apachelogger____> kubotu: identica dent !unetbootin is quite the nice app
[13:29] <kubotu> you must identify using 'identica identify [username] [password]'
[13:29] <apachelogger____> omg
[13:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica dent !unetbootin is quite the nice app
[13:29] <kubotu> status updated
[13:32] <rgreening> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:32] <rgreening> :)
[13:33] <rgreening> apachelogger: ev indicated he would release a new rev today.
[13:33] <rgreening> he's working some other bugs as well for release
[13:51] <Riddell> dpm: language-pack-kde-engb gone?
[13:52] <dpm> Riddell, was there ever one? I think the -en one contains the en_GB translations too
[13:53] <Riddell> mm, it's a bug with apachelogger's script
[13:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde-l10n-engb -ptbr -zhcn -zhtw all broken
[13:53] <Riddell> they should depend on language-pack-kde--en -br -zh
[13:59] <dpm> Riddell, that's correct except for the Chinese language packs, we split them into -zh-hans (Simplified Chinese) and -zh-hant (Traditional Chinese)
[13:59] <Riddell> oh yes
[14:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: they should depend on language-pack-kde-en -br -zh-hans and -zh-hant
[14:15] <keffie_jayx> apachelogger: video (intel graphics) on my netbook is slightly a bit better than in 9.10
[14:15] <keffie_jayx> but still choppy with 5 apps and the composite enabled
[14:19] <rgreening> ScottK: did workspace get built after form yer upload last night.
[14:19] <ScottK> rgreening: Just i386 so far.
[14:20] <rgreening> ah. k
[14:20] <ScottK> keffie_jayx: For a netbook, that's not too bad I don't think.
[14:20] <keffie_jayx> ScottK: I don't either considering it is an integrated shared memory card
[14:21] <agateau> Sput: ping
[14:21] <keffie_jayx> and video has improved, I lived the intel driver incident with this netbook and kubuntu. it has improved
[14:23] <Riddell> hmm, do we want smoke and ruby bindings in main?
[14:25]  * Riddell puts in universe
[14:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: new plasma-widget-networkmanagement uploaded to kubuntu xperimental
[14:27] <Tonio_> and I hope I'll have a working fix for qt soon...
[14:27] <Riddell> a working fix?
[14:27] <rgreening> hey Tonio_. How are things
[14:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: for the drag n drop thing I'm tracking for over a year
[14:27] <Tonio_> rgreening: hey :
[14:27] <Tonio_> :)
[14:28] <Tonio_> rgreening: fine :) I'm sick and stoped smocking
[14:28] <rgreening> wow
[14:28] <Tonio_> appart from that life goes on :)
[14:28] <rgreening> good for you
[14:28] <Tonio_> yup ;)
[14:28]  * rgreening needs to kik that too
[14:29] <Tonio_> rgreening: I went with champix
[14:29] <Tonio_> rgreening: it's really impressive
[14:29] <Tonio_> there are quite a lot of little issues with it
[14:29] <Tonio_> but reguarding to tabacco, it's just unbelievable
[14:29] <Tonio_> I have absolutly no will to smoke
[14:31] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, I can't format a usb disk in usb-creator and the disk seems to magically mount itself in /media/173B-662F
[14:32] <Riddell> ok managed to unmount
[14:33] <rgreening> Riddell: current ver is broken. There is a fix. evan will release today.  See lp: 553243
[14:33] <rgreening> bug 553243
[14:33] <rgreening> I fixed it the other day, just awaiting a release
[14:34] <rgreening> its related to pyqt 4.7.1 and QVariant
[14:34] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm using the bzr version
[14:34] <rgreening> oh... you built locally?
[14:34] <rgreening> it works fine for me yesterday
[14:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I supose it is too late now to switch the the networkmanager applet right ?
[14:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, unless there's some super compelling reason
[14:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: :'(
[14:37] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, seems to be working now
[14:37] <Riddell> rgreening: I have some UI issues, would it help to moan here or should I file bugs?
[14:38] <rgreening> both :)
[14:38] <rgreening> Riddell: a bug would help my karma and track the issue. But feel free to moan as much as you want :P
[14:39] <apachelogger> I do hate my life most of the time
[14:39]  * apachelogger just wrote down 3 pages of crappyness in default desktop
[14:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: looking into
[14:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you fix the packs?
[14:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: the kde-l10n-engb issue? I can do it manually easily enough, doing it with your script would probably take longer since I'd need to find my way around
[14:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: also the script is mainly designed to process all packages, at once, so you would need to build all source packages again
[14:42]  * apachelogger can fix the script easy enough
[14:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I notice the "right click" bug on knetworkmanager is still there
[14:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure it's not a major one, but that's really ugly :(
[14:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: zhcn needs to depend on -zh-hans and zhtw on -zh-hant?
[14:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: right
[14:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407575/
[14:48] <apachelogger> that should be the changes necessary then
[14:49] <Riddell> nixternal: we're going to need to update the slideshow and the ubiquity icon for the new logo I think, is that bad for UI freeze?
[14:49] <apachelogger> oh I think i fixed ca-valencia already
[14:49] <apachelogger> other than that they should be wrong ^^
[14:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks good
[14:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you want me to fix them by hand then?
[14:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: please, with 0ubuntu4
[14:51]  * apachelogger needs to implement subset processing to the script
[14:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudln't we at least update the knetworkmanager package ?
[14:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are lots of fixes in it (vpn and so on)
[14:52] <apachelogger> cool
[14:52] <apachelogger> qbzr is broken too
[14:52]  * Riddell tries his best to ignore the line which says "DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CHANGING THIS FILE DIRECTLY! ! ! !"
[14:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd be nervous about that, network manager is so fragile.  it would need upstream approval and lots of testing
[14:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common/revision/49?start_revid=49\
[14:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tend to agree, but it's not as if what we have now is mature and fully working....
[14:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: from my personal experience, latest svn snapshots are a *lot* better than the repo version
[14:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: so ask upstream (hi sebas) and put out a call for testing on the mailing list
[14:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I think after beta 2 we should ask upstream.  My prediction is they'll say update.
[14:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[14:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: why 0ubuntu4 ?
[14:56] <Riddell> the last version is 0ubuntu1
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: in the meantime I fixed the ppa packages so that we have a conflict for easy switch between knetworkmanager and the plasmoid
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: because we must follow the highest revision of branch, which is ubuntu3
[14:56] <pgquiles__> Riddell: can you upload libmsn 4.1 from mentors.debian.net to lucid or is it too late? it would fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/424925
[14:56] <Tonio_> and also the kded module to load manually (as everyone compained about) is now loaded by default
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise in case we need to deploy a fix for all packages some packages will be >ubuntu2 and others will not, causing a major headache
[14:57] <apachelogger> maybe I should write a wikipage about the l10n stuff ^^
[14:59] <Riddell> pgquiles__: it'll need to wait until next week, we're in beta freeze this week.  I've tagged it so I know to look into it then
[14:59] <apachelogger> bash gets messy way too easily :/
[15:00] <pgquiles__> Riddell: thanks
[15:02] <Riddell> groovy, today's live image is in reasonable shape
[15:02] <Riddell> agateau, apachelogger: did you guys come to any conclusion on the indicator upgrade issue?
[15:02]  * apachelogger pokes agateau
[15:02] <Quintasan> Riddell:  http://wklej.org/id/307902/ <-- where should I put it
[15:02] <Quintasan> ?
[15:02] <apachelogger> my suggestion technically works
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: we came up with "I should try to create a .desktop file for indicatordisplay"
[15:03] <apachelogger> the details of converting an old widget to a new widget however need to be worked out
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: so that the .js file can find it
[15:03] <apachelogger> agateau: that works like a charm, see log form last night
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: but haven't found the time to do so yet
[15:03] <agateau> apachelogger: oh great!
[15:03] <apachelogger> agateau: I would however like to do the name migration via a seperate script
[15:04] <agateau> apachelogger: so will you carry on with this task?
[15:04] <apachelogger> which proofs difficult because the plasma scripting api doesnt support adding widgets at a very specific position in the panel
[15:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: wv2 is shipped as part of koffice now?
[15:04] <apachelogger> agateau: I was thinking you could add it to message-indicator :P
[15:04] <apachelogger> I can sort the kds update sciript
[15:04] <agateau> apachelogger: the .desktop file you mean?
[15:04] <apachelogger> but that leaves those with an indicator on anther panel than the first one, out in the cold
[15:04] <apachelogger> agateau: yep
[15:05] <apachelogger> agateau: just readd the most recent one you had in displayindicator and change the library name to the new one, and add NoDisplay=true
[15:05] <agateau> apachelogger: can do
[15:06] <apachelogger> agateau: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/31/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[15:06] <apachelogger> I started rambling about the details at 20:00
[15:06] <apachelogger> wow
[15:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: I guess so since it was built :P
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: have you done the fixes yet?
[15:06]  * agateau reads
[15:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: because I think I just made my script even more magical ;)
[15:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just uploaded kde-l10n-xx
[15:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: we hvae -xx?
[15:08] <apachelogger> as in xx the xx l10n that xx's every string? ^^
[15:08] <Riddell> it's the less hardcore version of kde-l10n-xxx
[15:08] <apachelogger> lol
[15:08] <Riddell> where -xx is -engb and ther others we had issues with
[15:08] <apachelogger> k, next time we just need to run the script with a list of packages to redo
[15:09] <agateau> apachelogger: I take it you have an indicatordisplay.desktop already ready somewhere on your disk :)
[15:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: let's ask in #koffice
[15:09] <apachelogger> agateau: technically, but i just grabbed it of some random revision from bzr
[15:09] <agateau> ok
[15:10] <agateau> will grab latest one then
[15:10] <apachelogger> thx
[15:10] <agateau> Riddell: you may want to wait for m-i widget 0.5.4 then
[15:10] <apachelogger> does anyone know if dpkg-buildpackage -S will appropriately do -sd or -sa?
[15:11] <Tonio_> h
[15:11] <Riddell> agateau: we're in beta freeze now, so unless there's a very compelling reason the new libdbusmenu-qt and m-i will have to wait a week
[15:11] <Tonio_> fgfdg
[15:11] <Tonio_> fd
[15:11] <Tonio_> g
[15:11] <Tonio_> fg$*vcmj
[15:11] <agateau> Riddell: fine with me
[15:11] <Riddell> someone do the heimlich manoever on Tonio_
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the annoying ksnapshot bug :)
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: it wouldn't get the "enter" key to get out of the window region mode....
[15:14] <apachelogger> always these excuses
[15:14] <Tonio_> dkfhgmlkfds
[15:15] <Tonio_> grrrrrrrrrr
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common/revision/50
[15:17] <apachelogger> next time debian/build-l10n.sh be@latin en_GB ... will suffice
[15:17] <apachelogger> or so I hope ^^
[15:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: http://toniox.org/temp/knm.png
[15:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: this is the knetworkmanager bug I'm talking about
[15:19] <Tonio_> ScottK:  nice isn't it ? :)
[15:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you missing the kubuntu_03_no_dbusmenu.diff patch?
[15:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum eventually, indeed
[15:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my knm package, witch differs from our upstream one
[15:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll reupload on experimental with that patch
[15:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the info :)
[15:22] <agateau> apachelogger: does this looks ok? http://pastebin.com/HLe4Bga9
[15:23] <apachelogger> agateau: yep
[15:23]  * agateau commits
[15:25] <Riddell> debfx: kmozillahelper uploaded, it'll probably wait in unapproved until after beta 2
[15:34] <Riddell> shtylman: you didn't like my patch to bug 540202 ?
[15:36] <shtylman> Riddell: I did... but I changed it a bit :) ... I felt that the second loop (to show the widgets again) could be done without going through all the children again
[15:37] <agateau> apachelogger: could you give a try to message-indicator trunk before I release a new version, to ensure it is ok for the karmic upgrade?
[15:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm going out for few hours, I will upload it later when my sis is not at home cause she complains all the time :/
[15:39] <Quintasan> Riddell: I should upload it to Beta or Staging PPA?
[15:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: experimental in the first instance I think
[15:48] <rgreening> ScottK: is there something amiss with the workspace package? kdebase-workspace-bin seems missing. It was in4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2 but not 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu5? Or am I missing something?
[15:49] <Riddell> it's not compiled on amd64 I think
[15:49] <ScottK> It's not
[15:49] <Riddell> buildds are slacking
[15:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh and remember to commit to bzr
[16:00] <Riddell> ~identica dent ghostly presence on planet kde today
[16:00] <kubotu> status updated
[16:05] <nixternal> Riddell: for the slideshow, that is not bad, go for it
[16:05] <nixternal> the slideshow isn't documented and there aren't screenshots of it...i kind of figured it would change with the rebranding anyways
[16:06] <Riddell> nixternal: ubiquity icon?
[16:07] <nixternal> that is fine as well
[16:14] <rgreening> Riddell: though you were posting some bug reports for me on usb-creator?
[16:17] <apachelogger> AAAAAAAAH
[16:17] <apachelogger> BUGS
[16:17] <apachelogger> EVERYWARE!
[16:18] <apachelogger> ah
[16:18] <apachelogger> easy enough to solve
[16:18] <apachelogger> phew
[16:20] <apachelogger> agateau: http://pastebin.com/
[16:20] <apachelogger> ergh
[16:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:20] <apachelogger> BUGSSSSS
[16:21] <apachelogger> welll
[16:21] <apachelogger> agateau: -X-Plasma-NotificationArea=true
[16:21] <agateau> apachelogger: ok
[16:21] <apachelogger> agateau: apparently the systray list of plasmoids does not obey NoDisplay (which IMHO is a bug of its own, but removing that setting should prevent it from showing up
[16:22] <agateau> ok
[16:23] <agateau> apachelogger: fix pushed
[16:24] <apachelogger> uhm
[16:28] <apachelogger> agateau: should be good now :)
[16:28] <agateau> apachelogger: great
[16:28]  * apachelogger is wondering what "Posteingang" is
[16:29] <apachelogger> hm
[16:30] <apachelogger> Name=Incoming Message
[16:30] <apachelogger> Icon=mail-message-new
[16:30] <apachelogger> Comment=Notification of new messages
[16:30] <apachelogger> no clue how that plasmoid is different from message-indicator
[16:31] <apachelogger> is it just me or is the plymouth thingy confusing?
[16:32] <apachelogger> first fills the buttons underneath the icon as if it was indicating progress and then it starts over again
[16:32] <apachelogger> nixternal: cant we have such a circle progress indicator thingy?
[16:32] <apachelogger> I recon it is used in loads of places across kde
[16:32] <apachelogger> most importantly plasmoids ^^
[16:36] <nixternal> apachelogger: circle progress indicator for what?
[16:36] <apachelogger> nixternal: the plymouth splash screen
[16:37] <apachelogger> currently it has those weird buttons that become blue and then white and then blue and then white...
[16:37] <nixternal> oh...yeah, there is already a theme that has that type of indicator, and I looked at it...wouldn't be difficult to edit for us...the idea is there but the look was a bit lame I think
[16:38] <apachelogger> nixternal: ideally we would use the same indicator used in plasmoids
[16:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you test today's live?
[16:38] <nixternal> oh, Plasma::BusyWidget?
[16:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, i386, works fine
[16:38] <apachelogger> I got a folderview that overlaps microblag again
[16:38] <apachelogger> nixternal: if that is what it is called ^^
[16:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: me too
[16:39] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain to me whats wrong with this line : LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so? Apache2 says its invalid syntax? :S apachelogger maybe, because apache*? :D
[16:39] <apachelogger> :/
[16:39] <nixternal> something I can look at...today I am doing work work, so I will be busy the entire day
[16:39] <nixternal> maybe tonight if I get some spare time I can see what I can do
[16:39] <Riddell> Oxymoron: we only do KDE here, try #ubuntu
[16:39] <apachelogger> well, that is post-beta-freeze stuff anyway
[16:39] <Riddell> nixternal: did you see keybuk's ping in #ubuntu-devel earlier?
[16:39] <apachelogger> Oxymoron: actually #ubuntu-server might be even better suited than #ubuntu
[16:40] <Oxymoron> Riddell: Id ont use ubuntu :P But yes sure
[16:40] <nixternal> Riddell: yeah, that is just adding the plymouth-label to the depends
[16:40] <nixternal> easy enough
[16:40] <Riddell> nixternal: do you know if it's needed for beta 2?  I presume so
[16:40] <nixternal> it isn't life threatening right now, unless something changed
[16:40] <nixternal> well, there isn't a plymouth-label package yet
[16:41] <Riddell> guess we don't want it yet then :)
[16:42] <nixternal> hehe
[16:51] <ScottK> Arrrghhh!
[16:51] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu5/+build/1596357/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.4.2-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:52] <NCommander> ScottK: ****, that looks like buildd instability
[16:52] <NCommander> ScottK: hit retry, if it does it again, I'll debug it in a local LP instance
[16:52] <ScottK> OK
[16:52] <NCommander> ScottK: we should have less flakely armel buildds soon
[16:54]  * ScottK knocks wood.
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:57] <apachelogger> agateau: is krandrtray ported to the dbus stuff?
[16:57] <agateau> apachelogger: if it's already using KStatusNotifierItem, there is nothing else to do
[16:58] <agateau> apachelogger: as long as it does not use custom menu items
[16:58] <apachelogger> agateau: please give it a try
[16:58] <apachelogger> for me the submenus are off screen
[16:58] <apachelogger> showing the main menu seems to do various redraws
[16:58] <apachelogger> aka flickering
[16:58] <apachelogger> impossible to use
[16:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe plasma is just stupid?
[16:59] <agateau> apachelogger: mmm, same thing here :/
[16:59]  * agateau hates dbusmenu
[16:59] <apachelogger> :/
[16:59] <apachelogger> agateau: also there is a broken icon in the amarok menu, dunno if that is related
[17:00] <agateau> apachelogger: most probably
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: for me it adds the widget on 1025x576 and left of the folderview there is enough space for it
[17:00] <agateau> apachelogger: which icon?
[17:00] <apachelogger> the one for lastfm favorite
[17:01] <apachelogger> agateau: also, kopete menu keeps on failing to load on first tray ...
[17:01] <apachelogger> oh
[17:01] <apachelogger> it also exhibits those redraws
[17:01]  * agateau opens the windoww
[17:01] <agateau> and jump
[17:01] <apachelogger> agateau: something seems to be very off in the dbusmenu stuff :/
[17:01] <agateau> yes, it's broken by design
[17:02] <ScottK> Sigh.
[17:02] <apachelogger> +1
[17:02]  * ScottK really didn't want to hear that.
[17:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: order tea for everyone
[17:02]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get tea for everyone - might take some time.
[17:02]  * kubotu is back and slides tea down the bar to everyone
[17:03] <agateau> ScottK: actually it's not really broken by design, it's just that it would have been so much simpler to stick to application-managed menus
[17:03] <agateau> and I am a bit fed up with this project lately
[17:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, did you see my recent discovery about plasma-netbook being 300% more responsive with raster graphicssystem?
[17:03] <ScottK> "Painful by design"
[17:03] <apachelogger> something that should be looked into
[17:04] <agateau> ScottK: that's a more accurate way to put it :)
[17:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: How much more memory due is use?
[17:04] <ScottK> due/does
[17:04] <ScottK> is/it
[17:04] <apachelogger> didnt check
[17:04] <apachelogger> not that I noticed really
[17:04] <ScottK> That was the arguement against it before.
[17:04] <apachelogger> and I notice quickly
[17:04] <ScottK> Could you check?
[17:05] <apachelogger> :/
[17:05] <apachelogger> you are responsible if I go mad and start ranting again!
[17:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll just do some logic shifting from so it only gets added on absolute > 1024x768
[17:06] <apachelogger> I think it just fits on 768 height
[17:07] <rgreening> nixternal, apachelogger: see my comment on bug 553386
[17:07] <rgreening> that would be spiffy
[17:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: with raster 409 absolute (as per htop), without 394
[17:09] <apachelogger> for reference: amarok uses 585 ;)
[17:10] <apachelogger> the best thing about plasma-netbook is how it steals focus when started
[17:10] <apachelogger> makes you wonder if the system is exploding because it lags so bad
[17:11] <apachelogger> rgreening: that will proof difficult with 8bit color space
[17:11] <apachelogger> as is available for poor nvidia users
[17:11] <apachelogger> and who knows else
[17:11] <rgreening> meh.. they should use open driver hah
[17:12] <ScottK> Maybe nixternal could make a really snazzy one for KNR.  AFAIK, all the netbooks we target use Intel.
[17:12] <Tonio_> $ apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-bin | grep Candidate                                                               (04-01 18:12)
[17:12] <Tonio_>   Candidate: 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2
[17:12] <Tonio_> tonio~kubuntu ~
[17:12] <Tonio_> $ apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-data | grep Candidate                                                              (04-01 18:12)
[17:12] <Tonio_>   Candidate: 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu5
[17:12] <Tonio_> hum....
[17:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's the magic incantation for starting with raster?  I'll test it this week and then see about switching.
[17:12] <Tonio_> how is this possible ? kde broken here
[17:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: Not built on amd64 yet
[17:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: --graphicssystem raster
[17:13] <ScottK> Right.  Thanks.
[17:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: both are the same source package
[17:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: they shoudln't have a different versions right ?
[17:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: one is arch all the other is arch any
[17:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: arch: all comes from i386
[17:13] <Tonio_> oh I see...
[17:13] <Tonio_> it is the fourth time it breaks this way :)
[17:14] <Tonio_> maybe archives shouldn't publish a package unless they are all built
[17:14] <Tonio_> updating even removed kubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <apachelogger> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[17:15] <apachelogger> why is that bzr always tells me how to do things instead of just freaking doing it
[17:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: If you're running the development release, you have to pay attention.
[17:16] <rgreening> Tonio_: only if you dist-upgrade rather than just upgrade
[17:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure :)
[17:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: would the process be different for updates ?
[17:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: wouldn't it break the same way ?
[17:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: That would also delay things by days due to really slow archs.
[17:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: No, everything gets built in -proposed and then copied to -updates all at once after testing.
[17:17] <ScottK> Similar for -security.
[17:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: right
[17:17] <apachelogger> and then bzr gets all smart on me and autofills crap into the bzr ci log
[17:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: eventually backports can break, but that's another story
[17:17] <ScottK> -proposed can break this way, but, once again, if you run with -proposed enabled, you need to pay attention.
[17:17] <ScottK> Yes.  It can.
[17:17] <apachelogger> and of course it cant use my global set editor which would make it compliently integrate into a debian system
[17:17] <apachelogger> no bzr must expect me to set EDITOR
[17:17] <ScottK> If I'm doing a major backport like KDE, I try to do it when the buildds aren't slammed.
[17:18] <apachelogger> so I end up holding down delete for 20 years so that crappy nano can delete the crappy crap bzr filled in
[17:18] <apachelogger> there you have it
[17:18] <apachelogger> plasma-netbook made me grumpy again
[17:18] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:18] <apachelogger> or maybe it is bzr
[17:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: That was bzr, not plasma-netbook
[17:18] <apachelogger> maybe it was bzr all along
[17:18] <apachelogger> FREAKING BZR
[17:18] <apachelogger> GIT FTW!
[17:18] <apachelogger> git++
[17:19] <apachelogger> now that this is out of the way
[17:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:19]  * ScottK mentions to apachelogger that bzr is written in Python, just for fun.
[17:19] <apachelogger> good point
[17:19] <apachelogger> python--
[17:19] <apachelogger> as usual it's pythons fault
[17:19] <apachelogger> I did mention that qbzr is broken, btw?
[17:19] <ScottK> You did.
[17:19] <apachelogger> ok
[17:19] <ScottK> Please fix.
[17:19] <apachelogger> no
[17:19] <apachelogger> I will report bug
[17:19] <apachelogger> using the superior python tool ubuntu-bug
[17:19] <apachelogger> which btw is bugged itself
[17:20] <apachelogger> and you cant do ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug :P
[17:20] <apachelogger> which would actually be fun
[17:20] <ScottK> Nice
[17:20] <apachelogger> no fun for apachelogger it seems
[17:20] <ScottK> You should file a bug about that
[17:21] <nigelb> apachelogger, ubuntu-bug apport :D
[17:21] <apachelogger> that is no fun
[17:21] <apachelogger> + creepy, because apparenlty it expects me to find out which package the binary belongs to
[17:22] <nigelb> haha, or ubuntu-bug pitti might work :D
[17:22]  * apachelogger could indeed bug pitti a bit :P
[17:23] <debfx> Riddell: thanks again
[17:23] <debfx> Riddell: what about the brightness patch?
[17:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 544928 alraedy reported
[17:24]  * apachelogger marks affects me
[17:25] <ScottK> Sounds like a job for NCommander.
[17:26] <nigelb> apachelogger, yeah, apport expects you to know the package.  at least for now.
[17:26]  * apachelogger lost track of what he told Riddell and what not
[17:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: possible fix for the widget overlapping pushed
[17:27] <apachelogger> if you want to have it in before beta, feel free to upload
[17:30] <ScottK> nixternal and Riddell: The Plymouth upload that adds plymouth-label is waiting to be accepted: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42782408/plymouth_0.8.1-4_source.changes
[17:31] <Tm_T> I don't know what I should install but I don't get any logo in plymouth here
[17:31] <apachelogger> plymouth-theme-kubuntu or something
[17:31] <apachelogger> or maybe it is just broken for you
[17:34] <ScottK> "Why is this laptop so slow?", "Oh, yeah, compiling still."
[17:36] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, I thought I installed that kind of package, but didn't pull anything as dependency... have to look it again
[17:38] <ScottK> Tm_T: If you have kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-netbook installed, you should get all you need.
[17:44] <Tm_T> ScottK: I do have both ubuntu and kubuntu-desktop installed, no logo here
[17:44] <ScottK> I recall Keybuk saying that sometimes it doesn't show because the boot is too fast.
[17:45] <Tm_T> I can see text "ubuntu 10.04" for 5-15 seconds
[17:45] <ScottK> No idea then
[17:47] <Tm_T> I wonder if not using grub has to do with it at all
[17:48] <rgreening> Riddell: ev pushed up a new usb-creator package. Can you have a look and possibly push it through? We really need it for the beta as the current is horribly broken!
[17:48] <ScottK> rgreening: slanagasek is already looking at it.
[17:48] <rgreening> awesome. ty ScottK
[17:49] <maco> zomg check out xkcd.com (js required and totally worth it)
[17:50] <Tm_T> maco: it has irc too
[17:50] <Tm_T> maco: go west
[17:50] <Tm_T> ...I won't spoil further
[17:51] <maco> heh
[17:53] <lex79> ScottK: sorry for missing plymouth patches
[17:53] <ScottK> lex79: It happens.  It's all fixed now.
[17:53] <lex79> ok, thanks
[17:53]  * rgreening notes: as soons at it bloody builds for AMD
[17:54] <rgreening> :P
[17:54] <ScottK> Tm_T: What arch are you on?
[17:54] <Tm_T> ScottK: PowerPC (;
[17:54] <ScottK> Tm_T: Ah.  That explains it.  You don't have the fixed -workspace yet.
[17:55] <ScottK> It's only built on i386 so far.
[17:55] <Tm_T> ScottK: oh, right, I still don't have half of KDE built yes
[17:55] <Tm_T> because some private sources took builders for whole day
[17:56]  * Tm_T shakes fist
[17:56] <ScottK> That and we've had a bazillion uploads just before the beta freeze.
[17:57] <Tm_T> ye
[17:57] <ScottK> Let's not mention we uploaded 4.4.2 two days ago and we're already up to kdebase-workspace 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu5.
[17:57] <maco> wow
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1110034 \o/
[18:00] <lex79> JontheEchidna: are you working on the backend for shaman?
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I plan to use this library to implement a shaman backend, yes
[18:00] <lex79> great :)
[18:17] <ghostcube_maemo> o/
[18:41] <Mamarok> did somebody already build the new phonon-backend-vlc?
[18:43] <Tm_T> Mamarok: just to find out it doesn't work well? (:
[18:43] <Mamarok> Tm_T: hm, markey did compiled it himself and it works like a charm, especially since the last changes made to Amarok
[18:44] <Mamarok> but compiling seeems to be a bit of a hassle
[18:44] <markey> well
[18:44] <markey> "like a charm" is maybe a bit strong ;)
[18:44] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I think he already reverted the vlc fixes to make gstreamer work again
[18:45] <Tm_T> markey: like always from you (;
[18:45]  * Tm_T hides
[18:45] <markey> it still has a good number of bugs, it'll take a while to polish the rough edges
[18:45] <markey> plus the thing with Amarok and GStreamer, yeah
[18:45] <markey> it's hard to make any changes without breaking some obscure buggy backend
[18:45] <markey> cause they are all buggy
[18:46] <NCommander> Is Kubuntu known to be broken on latest lucid? :-/
[18:46]  * NCommander can't sign in
[18:46] <NCommander> or more that I sign in, and then nothing happens
[18:47] <maco> NCommander: if i claimed it was an april fools joke, would you believe me?
[18:47] <NCommander> maco: ugh, so its known to be broken
[18:47] <larsivi> NCommander: that happened to me if I used an older kernel
[18:47] <NCommander> Great ...
[18:47] <NCommander> larsivi: I'm fairly sure I'm on the latest, although cryptsetup is busted on my system (user error)
[18:47] <ScottK> NCommander: What architecture are you running?
[18:47] <maco> NCommander: i havent logged out today so i dont know
[18:48] <NCommander> ScottK: amd64
[18:48] <maco> but as of yesterday on amd64 my system was working
[18:48] <maco> i last upgraded about 22 hours ago
[18:48] <ScottK> There's some archive squeue going on.
[18:48] <NCommander> ScottK: that probably broke me
[18:48] <larsivi> NCommander: I have issues with knetworkmanager not talking with network-manager, so I went backwards in case it was a kernel issue - the one that failed to properly login was probably from karmic
[18:49] <NCommander> ScottK: what's the best way to get log messages out of KDE so I have SOME idea what broke
[18:49] <ScottK> Boot single user and run kdm from the shell?
[18:49] <NCommander> ScottK: KDM works, its when it tries to start  KDE it breaks
[18:51] <ScottK> Hmmmm.  No idea.
[18:51] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah :-/
[18:51] <apachelogger> Mamarok: gitti is depending vlc 1.1 for which there aint is no package around
[18:59] <Mamarok> apachelogger: there ain't is? sad :(
[19:00] <Mamarok> ;)
[19:01] <NCommander> ScottK: so even failsafe appears broken
[19:01] <NCommander> about the only tihng that does work is twn :-/
[19:03] <NCommander> ScottK: *sigh* kdebase-workpace-bin got uninstalled
[19:03] <ScottK> Right, that'd be archive skew and you not paying attention when you updated.
[19:03] <ScottK> !lart NCommander
[19:03] <Tm_T> NCommander: why did you uninstall it?
[19:04] <ScottK> ~lart NCommander
[19:04]  * kubotu jabs a hot car lighter into NCommander's eye sockets
[19:04] <NCommander> ScottK: so I fail :-P
[19:04]  * NCommander is properly larted
[19:16] <jussi01> Hrm, is it too late for graphical fixes to get into lucid?
[19:17] <jussi01> Our flagship Qt sipphone... (qutecom) well its icon sucks.
[19:18] <ScottK> jussi01: It's in Universe, no problem.
[19:18] <jussi01> ScottK: ok, great. problem is the tray icon has a backgound.
[19:19] <ScottK> There's also a newer one in Debian Sid.
[19:19] <jussi01> ooh, can we sync?
[19:19] <ScottK> Sure.
[19:19] <ScottK> All the usual rules apply.
[19:19] <apparle> Is there a way in which how the internals of kopete are working.... I just get connection refused
[19:19] <ScottK> I didn't look to see what they changed.
[19:20] <jussi01> ScottK: ok, Ill look at it. Ill bug you or someone again cause I dont remember "all the usual rules"
[19:20] <ScottK> Bug rgreening.  He needs stuff to do.
[19:20] <ScottK> He needs to get back in shape.
[19:21] <Tm_T> apparle: ?
[19:22] <rgreening> ScottK: true
[19:23] <rgreening> ScottK: I've been updating ubs-creator-kde all day... catching up with evans changes to the gtk one and such...
[19:23] <apachelogger> things to do
[19:23] <apachelogger> there is no transition from plymouth to kdm/ksplash whatsoever
[19:23] <rgreening> at least its back and working agai9n... wasn't for a period of time..
[19:23] <apachelogger> one gigantic black whole right there
[19:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Unless you're on current i386 that's no suprise.
[19:24] <apachelogger> I am on i386
[19:24] <apachelogger> yet there is a whole
[19:24] <apachelogger> s/whole/hole
[19:24] <ScottK> Blame nixternal then.
[19:24] <Tm_T> apparle: the traditional: run from konsole, and install -dbg packages if needed
[19:24] <rgreening> "in your bucker, dear 'logger, dear 'logger"
[19:24] <rgreening> bucket even
[19:24] <apachelogger> nixternal: you mad robot you!!!!!!@Q@EW
[19:25]  * apachelogger sings about lobbsters in a bucket
[19:25] <apparle> Tm_T: ok... I have never done developement... a little new here... just wanted to see why I was getting the error
[19:25] <Tm_T> apparle: (:
[19:26] <apachelogger> may I say that the new gigantic kubuntu logo in kickoff is the ultimate break of artwork inconsitency?
[19:26] <apparle> Tm_T: kopete doesn't have -dbg package
[19:26] <ScottK> Sounds like you want to be running plasma-netbook.
[19:26] <Tm_T> apparle: kdenetwork-dbg
[19:26] <apachelogger> madness!
[19:27] <ScottK> apparle: That's part of kdenetworking.  Use it's dbg.
[19:27] <ScottK> Or as Tm_T says ...
[19:27] <apparle> Ohh..
[19:27] <apparle> and once I have that .... should I just run program through konsole or anything else
[19:31] <ScottK> OMFG.  Now a giant notification for resart required too?
[19:31] <apachelogger> rgreening: want bug 553478 ?
[19:31] <ScottK> Who fathered this abomination?
[19:31] <apachelogger> there always was that notification
[19:31] <apachelogger> just that it is now persitent
[19:32] <apachelogger> though I already talked to JontheEchidna about implementing a kstatusnotifieritem and getting rid of the persistency
[19:32] <ScottK> But before I had the lovely icon I could click on.
[19:32] <ScottK> Dear lord, let's take the one single dumbest change Ayatana ever thought up and port that to KDE.
[19:32] <rgreening> apachelogger: re: that bug, I see the folder name as "Settings" and there is more in the folder for me than just the system settings.
[19:33] <apachelogger> rgreening: STOCK :P
[19:33] <apachelogger> get a live cd and use your working usb creator to create a usb to test with
[19:33] <apachelogger> IIRC systemsettings was hidden via magic in kickoff or something
[19:33] <apachelogger> or maybe I patched it away each release
[19:34] <rgreening> i dont see it as a real issue
[19:34] <apachelogger> because I defenitely did cleanup kickoff every release and every time I ran into a pointless listing of settings
[19:34] <ScottK> Because you're smarter than upstream?
[19:34] <apachelogger> IAM AWESOME COOL GOOD LOOKING AND SMARTER THAN UPSTREAM
[19:34] <apachelogger> I could work for microsoft actually
[19:34] <ScottK> That's not what your dolphin preview patch said.
[19:35] <Tm_T> I thought you did
[19:35] <ScottK> No, that's nixternal.
[19:35] <apachelogger> I DID NOT DO NO PATCHING
[19:35] <apachelogger> I am doctor
[19:35] <apachelogger> no patcher :P
[19:35] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:35] <apachelogger> rgreening: so, wanna fix it?
[19:36] <ScottK> OK, more precisely the debian/changelog entry for  removing a patch
[19:36] <apachelogger> well
[19:36] <apachelogger> we are not smater
[19:36] <ScottK> Sigh.  So I click to X out the recent notifications thing and that doesn't just close that, it makes all the notifications vanish permenantly.
[19:36] <apachelogger> I however am
[19:36] <rgreening> fixing a problem, presumes a problem exists. I cannot visualize a problem therefore it does not exist. Fixed :)
[19:37]  * rgreening ducks
[19:37]  * apachelogger throws his justice cross fan stuff after rgreening
[19:37] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:37] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "The Lightning Storm" by Flogging Molly 8 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/0VHs8z2GcRlblO1xn9BkPP] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[19:37] <apachelogger> last.fm is also of the out-of-day kind today
[19:37] <apachelogger> lastfm--
[19:37] <apachelogger> where I look there is crappyness
[19:38]  * apachelogger continues reporting bugs
[19:40] <ScottK> I get plymouth splash here just fine, FYI
[19:40] <apachelogger> its not the splash
[19:40] <apachelogger> it is the transition
[19:41] <ScottK> Although it does look like there's still an issue with spending time on the wrong VT.
[19:41] <ScottK> Whatever.
[19:41] <apachelogger> maybe it is also only on the live session
[19:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: want bug 553482 ?
[19:42] <rgreening> nope. still working on usb-creator-kde updates
[19:42] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, in general if you want to nuke it within the next couple of days :P
[19:43] <apachelogger> ah
[19:43] <apachelogger> ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug
[19:43] <apachelogger> again!
[19:43] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[19:43] <apachelogger> does ubuntu-bug only like binary packages?
[19:46] <apachelogger> bug 359810
[19:46] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^^ :D
[19:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: so I shouldnt offer you bugs?
[19:48] <apachelogger> because I got quite some ^^
[19:49] <ScottK> Tm_T: Look at ross though.
[19:49] <Tm_T> ScottK: ye, I'm staring the builders page (:
[19:50] <apparle> Tm_T: ScottK after -dbg packages are installed..... should I start the application from konsole or is ther anything else I should I do
[19:50] <Tm_T> ScottK: kernel built, now -workspace, maybe rest of the packages I'm waiting will come some day soon
[19:50] <ScottK> Start it from the console.
[19:50] <ScottK> c/K
[19:51] <rgreening> apachelogger: you can, but I may not get to them until Sunday++
[19:51] <apachelogger> oh my god
[19:51] <apachelogger> well
[19:51]  * apachelogger probably either
[19:52] <apachelogger> rgreening: you can just take a look at the bugs assigned to me I guess
[19:52]  * apachelogger assigning everything he considers fixworthy to himself anyway ;)
[20:07] <apachelogger> oh
[20:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping ping ping
[20:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping ping ping ping ping ping ping
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> JontheEchidna: pong
[20:08] <apachelogger> ah
[20:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: earlier when I tried todays live neither konqueror nor amarok did recommend installation of restrited stuff
[20:08] <apachelogger> is knh broken or are the patches?
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> works for me (tm) http://imagebin.ca/view/6I6dJ1.html
[20:10] <apachelogger> maybe something in the live env is broken
[20:10] <apachelogger> I also noticed that kwalletd was not found
[20:17] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: is there a particular reason the desktop switch OSD is not on by default?
[20:18] <mgraesslin> some people don't like it
[20:18] <genii> Heh, http://www.kernel.org guys have an April 1 sense of humour
[20:18] <lex79> seems I fixed this bug 528907
[20:18] <lex79> I'm awesome apachelogger, I'm in front of the mirror
[20:18] <apachelogger> dont be ludicrous
[20:19] <lex79> :D
[20:19] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: how can one not like it? :D
[20:19] <mgraesslin> there were in fact quite some complaints by users who didn't know that they had that option enabled and when you enabled it in Kubuntu ;-)
[20:20] <mgraesslin> I even added an option to not show the arrows due to the complaints
[20:20] <apachelogger> we had that enabled in kubuntu?
[20:21]  * apachelogger just ignores complaints usually :P
[20:21] <ScottK> genii: Look at the backscroll in #ubuntu-devel re: kernel.org
[20:22] <genii> ScottK: Heh, yeah
[20:22] <mgraesslin> it's one of the two changes to kwin default setting I am aware of and I use the same settings for both
[20:24] <apachelogger> hmhm
[20:24]  * apachelogger needs to look into this
[20:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you happen to know how the livecd stuff works?
[20:25] <apachelogger> ubiquity-casper is for post-installations tuff and casper itself for live session setup?
[20:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not really.  I've forgotten almost everything I had to learn to get netbook set up.
[20:25] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:25] <ScottK> I think shtylman or Riddell would be the best to ask.
[20:25] <apachelogger> PING
[20:25] <shtylman> pong
[20:26] <apachelogger> shtylman: <apachelogger> ubiquity-casper is for post-installations tuff and casper itself for live session setup?
[20:26] <lex79> uhm, now I can mount but not umount, need working again
[20:26] <shtylman> apachelogger: :( don't have a clue... I don't usually deal with the backend stuff
[20:26] <apachelogger> i.e. where would one report a bug with the livecd setup itself
[20:26]  * apachelogger noetes that ubuntu wiki is not much help ^^
[20:27] <shtylman> what do you mean livecd setup itself?
[20:27] <shtylman> iirc casper is what you want
[20:27] <shtylman> but of you are unsure... ask of #ubuntu-installer
[20:27] <shtylman> the guys there should know
[20:32] <rgreening> nixternal, Riddell: the kubuntu branding logo in kickoff is WAY!!!! to big. It need to be much smaller IMO. Stands out way too much. It should be similar in size to what we had before, otherwise it looks like a swollen thumb
[20:34] <apachelogger> +1
[20:34] <apachelogger> or we switch the kde icon of kickoff :P
[20:34] <apachelogger> then it could make for some massive branding
[20:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:35] <_Groo_> ive just build the package for koffice 2.2 beta 1
[20:35] <_Groo_> it was a lot of work :P
[20:35] <_Groo_> now...
[20:35] <_Groo_> how can i use lintian to check the root dir and tell me if i missed any files?
[20:36] <lex79> kubuntu branding logo should points to kubuntu.org instead of kde.org
[20:37] <ScottK> _Groo_: No, you need list-missing for that
[20:38] <_Groo_> hi ScottK
[20:38] <_Groo_> well how should i do? ill upload it to rev and my ppa tomorrow for review... you ppl could upstream it to debian too
[20:39] <_Groo_> they didnt do it already AFAIK
[20:39] <apachelogger> if everyone could please mark the affects me too on bug 290351
[20:44] <_Groo_> ScottK: how should i use list-missing?
[20:46] <apachelogger> sigh
[20:46] <apachelogger> bzr--
[20:47] <ScottK> _Groo_: Depends on if you're using cdbs or debhelper.  First I'd try make -f debian/rules list-missing.
[20:47] <ScottK> If that doesn't work, look at apachelogger's pbuilder hooks to see how they do it.
[20:48] <_Groo_> ScottK: im using include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[20:48] <apachelogger> you need cdbs for list-missing and use it's utils.mk
[20:48]  * apachelogger meant to port that somewhere else
[20:48] <apachelogger> onto the todo!
[20:48] <apachelogger> yay
[20:48] <apachelogger> my system lags
[20:48] <apachelogger> hooray
[20:48] <apachelogger> no clue why
[20:48] <_Groo_> ScottK: and using debuild -us -uc -nc
[20:48] <Tm_T> apachelogger: clue of glue
[20:49] <_Groo_> ScottK: also i add to use a DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_krita := -- --ignore-missing-info
[20:49] <_Groo_> ScottK: becasue the stupid "cant find a deb for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" is still there :P and it would break krita packaging
[20:49] <ScottK> I don't recall and I'm tied up with something else right now.
[20:49] <apachelogger> Tm_T: already marked the affects me too on bug 290351 ? ;)
[20:50] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I would be lying then?
[20:51] <apachelogger> Tm_T: no one needs to know
[20:51] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you are not installing kubuntu?
[20:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I don't have hardware to test with
[20:52] <lex79> bug 553530
[20:53] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you sure have installed kubuntu at some point ;)
[20:53] <lex79> if someone agree with that ^ I can do it
[20:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: from kubuntu live cd? yes, some years ago...
[20:53] <apachelogger> lex79: I am tired of bugs reoccuring because of crap
[20:53] <apachelogger> dunno what crap though
[20:53] <apachelogger> crappy merge probably
[20:53] <apachelogger> <3 a good crappy merge
[20:53] <Tm_T> haha
[20:53] <apachelogger> Tm_T: then you at least were affected
[20:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/kubuntu-feisty-plain.svg.gz in kds good for?
[20:55] <Tm_T> apachelogger: oh, you are right!
[20:56] <Tm_T> apachelogger: memoraphilia
[20:56] <Tm_T> or what it was
[20:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you guys help me upstream the koffice 2.2 packages then?
[20:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i just need a little help with missing files (if any), and finish the kexi packaging
[20:58] <apachelogger> if only i was not pissed 24/7 because of some random crappyness
[20:58] <apachelogger> _Groo_: install cdbs
[20:58] <apachelogger> _Groo_: make -f /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/utils.mk list-missing
[20:59] <apachelogger> lex79: I have no idea how that was fixed last time, but I am pretty sure in karmic it was opening kubuntu.org
[20:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it wont compile right? only analize what i have, correct?
[20:59] <apachelogger> _Groo_: aight
[20:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i used dh_install --list-missing
[21:00] <lex79> maybe someone here has karmic...and can try
[21:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: same thing?
[21:00] <apachelogger> no
[21:01] <apachelogger> list-missing is superior for various reasons
[21:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have a karmic install around?
[21:01] <lex79> make a patch for kickoff is not a problem
[21:01] <apachelogger> lex79: maybe it was a patch against the default desktop file
[21:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[21:01] <apachelogger> indeed I find that very possible
[21:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: running it now :)
[21:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you click the kubuntu|kde image in kickoff, does it open kubuntu.org or kde.org?
[21:02] <lex79> apachelogger: possible? what? a patch for kickoff or for desktop file?
[21:02] <apachelogger> the desktop file
[21:02] <ScottK> Just a moment, i have to switch to the new fangled one first.
[21:02] <apachelogger> if we patched kickoff that would have made custom branding impossible
[21:02] <apachelogger> which is something I wanted to avoid IIRC
[21:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: another question, since koffice is biiiiiiiig can i make debuild only regenerate some packages, like kexi?
[21:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: kde.org
[21:03] <apachelogger> _Groo_: technically yes, practically I havent done this in 3000 years
[21:04] <apachelogger> _Groo_: make -f debian/rules kexi maybe *shrug*
[21:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: with default theme?
[21:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: would be like, debuild binary krita (for ex?) or something more complex?
[21:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: plasma theme that is
[21:04] <apachelogger> _Groo_: defenitely not debuild
[21:04] <ScottK> Unless I changed it accidentally, yes.
[21:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: wouldnt that recompile the source?
[21:04] <apachelogger> youd need to get dirty with make -f debian/rules for sure
[21:04] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yes
[21:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: argh i always used debuild :P
[21:04] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you dont need that?
[21:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger: nope, i just need to regenerate the package..
[21:05] <apachelogger> well, technically it will only recompile what needs to be recompiled ;)
[21:05] <apachelogger> _Groo_: youll just need to remove some "marker files" in debian/ then
[21:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger:  i usually change the install files and do a debuild -us -uc -nc so it wont compile
[21:05] <apachelogger> kexi.debhelper and the like
[21:05] <apachelogger> then you can run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc
[21:05] <apachelogger> and that should regenerate the package
[21:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: k, thx
[21:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hmm ok
[21:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: gonna try that, thanks
[21:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, gonna cleanup the koffice and send to revu tomorrow... ill let you know in here
[21:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if all is a-ok, that package could go upstream to debian?
[21:08] <apachelogger> to debian? highly doubtable
[21:08] <apachelogger> I dont think they even ship koffice yet
[21:08] <apachelogger> koffice 2 that is
[21:08] <apachelogger> also, you dont need to poke me about reviewing it
[21:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: unstable has 2.1.x i believe
[21:08]  * apachelogger is on a netbook and surely wont review ko
[21:08] <apachelogger> my head might explode
[21:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: jontheechidna then?
[21:09] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:09] <apachelogger> _Groo_: or nixternal
[21:09] <apachelogger> he did the last ko packaging IIRC
[21:09] <_Groo_> apachelogger: k, ill hunt hem down
[21:09] <_Groo_> him
[21:09] <_Groo_> nixternal: ping?
[21:10] <apachelogger> lex79: and i swear to god, that crap was working last I tested in karimc -.-
[21:10] <apachelogger> curel world that is
[21:10] <lex79> iirc it's not working since karmic, but I can wrong
[21:10] <apachelogger> ah
[21:10] <apachelogger> ah ah
[21:10] <lex79> *work
[21:10] <apachelogger> ahahahahhhhhhh
[21:11] <apachelogger> I REMEMBER
[21:11] <apachelogger> a bit
[21:11] <apachelogger> there was a setting I think
[21:11] <apachelogger> of course I cant remember where ^^
[21:11] <lex79> apachelogger: in kubuntu-default-settings iirc, yes
[21:13] <lex79> apachelogger: look at kdebase-workspace/plasma/desktop/applets/kickoff/ui/brandingbutton.cpp
[21:13] <apachelogger> still downloading ^^
[21:13] <lex79> I can change kde.org to kubuntu.org, it's simple :)
[21:13] <apachelogger> NO!
[21:13] <lex79> uff
[21:13] <apachelogger> patches are bad
[21:14] <apachelogger> and evil
[21:14] <apachelogger> and stupid
[21:14] <apachelogger> and ugly
[21:14]  * apachelogger did neglect his obligation in teaching the light it seems
[21:15] <Tm_T> woohoo kdebase-workspace soon built!
[21:15] <apachelogger> still downloading
[21:15] <apachelogger> ...
[21:16] <Tm_T> <3<3<3<3 https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ross
[21:16] <apachelogger> if kdebase-workspace was any bigger one wouldnt have to bother downloading, because by the time it finsished a new version is out
[21:17] <Tm_T> hahaha I love kde commit messages: "changed: code readability (to better)"
[21:18] <_Groo_> guys, koffice 2.2 beta 1 brings freoffice with it, isnt it the maemo thing? should i include it in the kword package, create a new package or what?
[21:19] <_Groo_> argh will have to use quilt too... some .desktop files have ugly multiple lines :P koffice is a bitch to do :P
[21:24] <apachelogger> lex79: so
[21:24] <apachelogger> lex79: we have the following options
[21:24] <apachelogger> a) patch the url
[21:24] <apachelogger> b) set the homepage via metadata.desktop override in kds
[21:25] <apachelogger> c) patch air's metadata.desktop to set the homepage
[21:25] <apachelogger> lex79: looking at it from a consistency POV we should indeed go with a)
[21:26] <lex79> apachelogger: in kdebase-workspace?
[21:26] <apachelogger> otherwise 3rd party themes without homepage set appropriately will still go to kde.org
[21:26] <apachelogger> lex79: yes
[21:26] <apachelogger> and considering kdeplasma-addons ships themes
[21:26] <apachelogger> we probably should go for the patch
[21:26] <lex79> so we should do what I said before? ^^
[21:26] <lex79> ok for me
[21:26] <apachelogger> lex79: yes
[21:26] <lex79> I can do
[21:26] <apachelogger> lex79: indeed I think I did that before
[21:26] <apachelogger> for the very same reasons
[21:27] <apachelogger> which means screwed up merge indeed
[21:27]  * apachelogger looks for proof
[21:28] <lex79> I have to finish the mount/umount crap before
[21:29] <apachelogger> ah
[21:29] <apachelogger> ha!
[21:29] <apachelogger> lex79: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/75/debian/patches/kubuntu_12_kubuntu_homepage.diff
[21:29] <apachelogger> I knew it!
[21:29] <apachelogger> look at how superior that patch works around the problem
[21:29] <apachelogger> if kubunhtu-default-settings you get a kubuntu.org branded url
[21:29] <apachelogger> otherwise a kde.org branded one
[21:30]  * apachelogger is so awesome and good looking it is unbelivable
[21:30] <apachelogger> lex79: please just reuse that patch
[21:30] <lex79> apachelogger: awesome, ok
[21:30]  * apachelogger checks where it went
[21:32] <apachelogger> ha!
[21:32] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/81
[21:32] <apachelogger> jr broke it
[21:32] <apachelogger> :P
[21:32] <apachelogger> and indeed it happened in a merge
[21:33] <apachelogger> lex79: btw, did you already mark bug 290351 as affecting you? :P
[21:33] <lex79> apachelogger: yeah :)
[21:34] <apachelogger> lex79++
[21:34] <apachelogger> good boy ^^
[21:35]  * apachelogger takes the kickoff link off his todo
[21:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: where would I report that plymouth->kdm transition issue and who would be best to fix that?
[21:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Against kdebase-workspace and tseliot is your man.
[21:36] <apachelogger> kthx
[21:36] <apachelogger> omg, bed time is approaching
[21:48]  * apachelogger says good night and sends kisses to all you nice people
[21:52] <lex79> apachelogger: good nigh
[21:52] <lex79> +t
[21:57] <lex79> ScottK: can you change kdebase -> kde4libs in bug 528907 ?
[21:57] <lex79> thanks
[21:57] <ScottK> Sure
[21:58] <ScottK> Done
[22:16] <Riddell> debfx: yo, brightness patch to kdebase-workspace works nice
[22:17] <Riddell> debfx: although I see we already have a patch, does our current patch actually do anything?
[22:27] <Riddell> lex79: hi
[22:27] <lex79> Riddell: hi
[22:27] <Riddell> so there's a patch for kickoff link I should restore?
[22:28] <Riddell> and you fixed the hal issue?
[22:28] <lex79> Riddell: yes for hal issue, and I can restore the patch for kickoff
[22:29] <lex79> or if you want go ahead for kickoff, do it :)
[22:29] <lex79> Riddell: the patch is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/75/debian/patches/kubuntu_12_kubuntu_homepage.diff
[22:34] <Riddell> hmm, my bzr foo is failing me
[22:34] <Riddell> how do I restore it?
[22:34] <vorian> can
[22:34] <vorian> pfft
[22:35] <vorian> sorry, can't you just wget it?
[22:35] <Riddell> I can but that seems inelegant
[22:35] <lex79> Riddell: I think you have also change the patch a bit...
[22:36] <lex79> branding.svg -> branding.svgz
[22:36] <Riddell> bzr revert -r 75 debian/patches/kubuntu_12_kubuntu_homepage.diff
[22:36] <Riddell> that's the one
[22:36] <vorian> most of bzr is :P
[22:47] <Riddell> lex79: I think it's worth getting that hal fix into beta so I'll upload that
[22:47] <Riddell> homepage link can wait until after
[22:48] <lex79> agree
[23:17] <Riddell> lex79: kde4libs accepted, thanks for the hard work on that one line patch :)
[23:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have a commit to k-d-s which looks like it should solve bug 526488 but doesn't mention that bug in the changelog and the bug says it's not solved
[23:37] <Riddell> what's the commit for if not for that bug?
[23:46] <promulo> Riddel: ping
[23:55] <Riddell> promulo: hi
[23:55] <Riddell> promulo: you had a wiki for me to look at?