[05:32] <melmoth> is there a known issue with juju 1.12 with destroying-service ? Since i switch to juju >=1, destroy-service fails silently most of the time
[05:32] <melmoth> the service are shown as dying, but nothing else seems to happen
[05:41] <raywang> melmoth, i do have seen this
[05:42] <melmoth> i do quite a lot those days
[05:42] <raywang> melmoth, me too
[12:24] <bac> hi mectors
[13:29] <juju> hi
[13:30] <juju>  8-)
[13:30] <juju>  :p
[13:34] <juju> hi
[13:35] <juju>  hi is any one her
[14:01] <geme> jcastro, can Debian / Redhat images be deployed ?
[14:02] <jcastro> not currently no
[14:03] <jcastro> I think debian has cloud-init now, all that's needed is for someone to do the work
[14:04] <geme> I tried using Debian with juju awhile back - problems with cloud-init confg & upstart
[14:05] <hazmat> jcastro, re the rack charm, tell the author he has bug in his config.
[14:06] <hazmat> that's preventing the store publishing, fwiw
[14:06] <geme> jcastro, Can different ubuntu images be used in the same environment ?
[14:09] <jcastro> geme: like different versions?
[14:09] <jcastro> or different images as in cloud images?
[14:09] <jcastro> hazmat: got any more detail?
[14:10] <jcastro> hazmat: or is it that encoding issue sinzui and him ran into?
[14:10] <geme> yes - different ubuntu cloud images ?
[14:11] <jcastro> we do what is defined in "series" in environments.yaml, we don't have a way to specifify a custom image, for example
[14:13] <hazmat> jcastro, nothing to do with encoding he has a bad config default value .. config: options.deploy_key.default: unexpected value <nil>
[14:13] <geme> So, just the one image available for say precise ?
[14:13] <jcastro> geme: yeah it will fetch the latest supported cloud-image and deploy that
[14:14] <jcastro> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[14:30] <geme> jcastro, is there a timescale to support other oses ?
[14:35] <jcastro> not really, any help would be accepted and appreciated, but we're not actively working on that at the moment
[15:28] <arosales> smoser, utlemming: talking with mgz on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1188126
[15:28] <_mup_> Bug #1188126: Juju unable to interact consistently with an openstack deployment where tenant has multiple networks configured <canonistack> <openstack> <serverstack> <juju:New> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1188126>
[15:28] <arosales> any way to tell cloud-init to bring up all detected networks?
[15:32] <utlemming> arosales: generally with a cloud-drive you can send /etc/network/interfaces, but if they are using the EC2 meta-data source, then no
[15:34] <arosales> utlemming, (brainstrom) any way to patch cloud init to take ingest a value to detect and init all attached networks (ie not stop in the first)
[15:39] <arosales> smoser, ^
[15:48] <hazmat> arosales,  i don't think it an issue of bringing up the network
[15:49] <hazmat> afaik, the issue is that is being able to correctly identify which network juju should be using
[15:49] <hazmat> given multiple
[15:49] <arosales> hazmat, just an idea mgz and I were batting around. mgz would have more insights then myself
[15:50] <geme> jcastro, attempting 1st bootstrap using juju-core 1.13.1 and it errors - http://*.*.*.*:8080/v2.0/AUTH_ca452007af584a7f933e6a3e281f1c85/juju-dist/"/"streams/v1/index.sjson": cannot find URL "http://*.*.*.*:8080/v2.0/AUTH_ca452007af584a7f933e6a3e281f1c85/juju-dist/streams/v1/index.sjson" not found
[15:50]  * hazmat drops back to #juju-dev for it
[15:50] <mgz> hazmat: I don't see why, in the elmo-case, we shouldn't expect both to work
[15:50] <geme> should index.sjson be index.json
[15:50] <mgz> (ie, they're trying to migrate an existing deployment to a new ip range, by adding an extra address to every instance)
[15:51] <marcoceppi> geme: does it actually fail? AFAIK that's a common error during juju bootstrap -v but doesn't nessiarily mean it's failing. Is this a private openstack deployment?
[15:52] <geme> yes - it's a private openstack
[15:53] <marcoceppi> geme: Do you see any instances online started by juju in the dashboard? does juju status work? Was that the error that juju threw during bootstrap (actually, could you pastebin the the full output to the shell)
[15:53] <geme> No instance deployed
[15:53] <arosales> geme, sounds similar to the https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2013-August/002826.html thread
[15:54] <marcoceppi> Have you created image metadata for your dpeloyment using the juju metadata command?
[15:54] <marcoceppi> finally, what version of juju are you using? (juju version)
[15:54] <geme> yes - image metadata created and posted to the public-bucket
[15:55] <geme> juju-core 1.13.1
[15:55] <geme> error: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "precise" images in RegionOne with arches [amd64 i386]
[15:56] <geme> pastbin url ?
[15:57] <geme> pastebin url
[15:57] <arosales> geme, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[15:57] <marcoceppi> geme: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:57] <marcoceppi> ^^
[15:58] <smoser> arosales, sorry. back now.
[15:58] <smoser> ah. for ec2, there is a well identified solution.
[15:58] <marcoceppi> geme: juju will attempt to access several locations. starting with .sjson, then .json, then public simplestream data
[15:58] <smoser> that is simply just not implemented.
[15:58] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1153626
[15:58] <_mup_> Bug #1153626: Multiple Interfaces and IPs not detected in AWS VPC <aws> <cloud-images> <ec2> <vpc> <cloud-init:Triaged> <cloud-init (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153626>
[15:59] <smoser> arosales, ^
[16:02] <geme> marcoceppi, bootstrap -vv console output in pastebin
[16:03] <marcoceppi> geme: can you paste the link please?
[16:03] <geme> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989532/
[16:19] <marcoceppi> geme: what's the region set to in your index.json file?
[16:20] <geme> RegionOne
[16:20] <marcoceppi> geme: could you paste the results of that file in a pastebin
[16:21] <marcoceppi> also, it's nearing bed time for me. So if you're unable to get futher assistance, feel free to post to ask ubuntu or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for "offline" help
[16:21] <geme> index.json ?
[16:21] <marcoceppi> geme: yes
[16:21] <marcoceppi> geme: I'm also assuming the *.* in the addresses are just you anonymizing the data?
[16:21] <geme> yes
[16:23] <geme> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989600/
[16:24] <marcoceppi> geme: you dont' actually have any cloud data in there
[16:26] <geme> ran this command - juju-metadata generate-image -i 65a1e7ba-eb56-48e6-9b4e-8f7c0c05e779  -s precise -r RegionOne -u http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5000/v2.0/
[16:26] <geme> Am I missing something ?
[16:26] <marcoceppi> geme: not sure he's an example working index.json file for hpcloud
[16:27] <arosales> smoser, the conversation continued in #juju-dev between mgz and hazmat
[16:28] <geme> marcoceppi, so the index.json is incorrect ?
[16:29] <marcoceppi> geme: it's missing data, one sec
[16:47] <marcoceppi> geme: what does imagemetadata.json look like?
[16:48] <geme> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989688/
[16:49] <geme> marcoceppi, need to drop off. Pick up tomorrow ?
[16:49] <marcoceppi> geme: yes, I need to do the same
[16:50] <geme> ok - catch you tomorrow. Thanks
[18:17] <sidnei> uhm, where do i make changes to https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-constraints.html ?
[18:22] <jcastro> arosales: wotcha think: https://juju.ubuntu.com/events/
[19:11] <juju> hi-
[19:37] <arosales> jcastro, looks good, thanks for updating it
[19:37] <arosales> lot of topics I am really interested in there too
[19:37] <arosales> good content
[20:43] <juju> hi
[21:00] <marcoceppi> sidnei: lp:juju-core/docs
[21:01] <sidnei> thanks marcoceppi
[23:31] <irossi> jamespage, How's it going? Was wondering if you could help me with some strange issues?
[23:32] <irossi> Hey can someone help me troubleshoot a strange Juju issue?
[23:36] <arosales> irossi, its end of day for europe and america time zones so may be good to mail the list and get some help there.
[23:36] <arosales> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
[23:36] <arosales> or leave a post on askubuntu
[23:36] <irossi> OK thanks very much
[23:36] <arosales> irossi, I can try to help, but may have to point you to the list or askubuntu
[23:38] <irossi> arosales, Thanks. I have Openstack on 28 nodes deployed by Juju. Every once in a awhile, the juju machine agent starts to hog a lot of memory and I can't access the nodes.
[23:38] <arosales> irossi, which juju version are you running?
[23:38] <irossi> arosales, I'm able to reboot the bootstrap node, but it still shows instance-state: unknown while the agent-state is running
[23:39] <sarnold> irossi: check log sizes, I think I've heard that juju logs never get rotated and can fill the disk they are on..
[23:39] <thumper> we should fix that...
[23:39] <sarnold> irossi: check df output on the inolved machines..
[23:39] <arosales> sarnold, ah good point
[23:39] <irossi> arosales, sarnold Checking on all of the above
[23:39] <sarnold> thumper: we may have already, this might be old cargo-culting :)
[23:39]  * thumper nods
[23:40] <sarnold> all I know is tracking down problems due to full filesystems is -always- harder than it sounds.
[23:40] <sarnold> so check them first :)
[23:40] <arosales> sarnold, thumper so juju rotates logs on 1.13 >
[23:40] <irossi> Most of the nodes are so pegged I can't ssh into them
[23:41] <irossi> arosales, sarnold: Juju 0.7
[23:41] <sarnold> arosales: excellent! thanks. :)
[23:42] <arosales> sarnold, I was actually asking :-)
[23:42] <arosales> I should have appended a "?" to that
[23:42] <irossi> arosales, sarnold: Checking on the logs too
[23:44] <sarnold> arosales: oh :) haha
[23:44] <arosales> sarnold, but thumper would know the latest on log rotate in 1.13
[23:44] <irossi> arosales, sarnold : So it Juju 0.7 too old? Are there bugs in that version that are good reason to upgrade? What's the recommended version?
[23:45] <irossi> arosales, sarnold : 1.13 ?
[23:45] <arosales> irossi, I don't know for certain the issue you are hitting is addressed in 1.13, but I would recommend it
[23:46] <thumper> arosales: I don't actually know about the log rotation...
[23:47] <irossi> arosales, What's the easiest way to upgrade?
[23:47] <arosales> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/devel && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install juju-core gets you the latest
[23:47] <irossi> arosales, Why devel? That doesn't sound stable...
[23:47] <arosales> there is also sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable
[23:47] <arosales> which is at 1.12
[23:47] <thumper> haha
[23:47] <arosales> just was saying that devel got you the latest version if you were looking for a comparison
[23:49] <arosales> irossi, right now there is not a clean upgrade path from .7 to 1.13, but juju core devs are working on improving that.
[23:49] <arosales> irossi, probably not the answer you wanted to hear :-/
[23:49] <irossi> arosales, OK
[23:51] <arosales> irossi, juju core devs are working on bugs such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1200878
[23:51] <_mup_> Bug #1200878: Upgrade breaks existing pyjuju deployment <apport-collected> <papercut> <regression-release> <saucy> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200878>
[23:51] <arosales> and making a better transition story from .7 to 1.x
[23:52] <irossi> arosales, So the upgrade path you describe, would you mind describing it a bit more and perhaps any risk?
[23:55] <arosales> irossi, I would have to ping hazmat on the current upgrade story from .7 to 1.x
[23:55] <arosales> not sure if he around atm
[23:58] <irossi> arosales, Ok thx
[23:58] <irossi> arosales, I'll check in tomorrow
[23:59] <arosales> irossi, apologies, wish I had a better answer
[23:59] <arosales> irossi, but I also don't want to give you false info either.


[12:18] <Riddell> pef_aw: when I compile qtparted the /usr/sbin/qtparted file ends up empty
[12:32] <Riddell> pef_aw: fresh recompile seem to be fine, I think my computer just crashed at the wrong moment
[12:42] <Riddell> pef_aw: uploaded
[03:46] <Riddell> pef_aw: new kvpnc uploaded thanks
[03:47] <Riddell> seth_k|away: what's the status of kmobiletools?
[03:50] <seth_k|away> Riddell, I've been swamped with exams :/
[03:50] <seth_k|away> if someone wants to finish it off it's almost done
[03:50] <seth_k|away> otherwise I'll probably finish next weekend
[03:50] <seth_k|away> e.g. not tomorrow
[03:50] <seth_k|away> but Friday next
[03:51] <Riddell> seth_k|away: maybe pef will finish it, he's very up and coming on the MOTU scene :)
[03:53] <seth_k|away> ok :) or if he is busy, it will be done next weekend one way or another
[03:53] <seth_k|away> methinks there are just minor changes left as per dholbach's comments
[03:54] <seth_k|away> What in the world are you still doing up Riddell, it's like 3 am there
[03:56] <Riddell> seth_k|away: actualy it's 21:55 here :)
[03:56] <Riddell> (but 3am isn't completely unusual for me either)
[03:57] <seth_k|away> you're not over in the UK?
[03:58] <seth_k|away> ohh, you're over for UBZ?
[03:58] <Riddell> yes, montreal
[03:58] <seth_k|away> yeah, I had forgotten
[03:58] <seth_k|away> okay, food time
[04:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: about your post in kde-artist mailing list.. no permission to splash package?
[04:01] <Tm_T> I get 403
[04:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: try now
[04:02] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:03] <Tm_T> use it immediately ;)
[04:03] <Tm_T> have to say, very good
[04:03] <Tm_T> get some sleep ->
[04:13] <Riddell> pef_aw: kzenthing uploaded, control needed  s/breezy/dapper/
[04:42] <Riddell> hi freeflying, get my e-mail?
[04:43] <freeflying> Riddle:let me check it
[04:45] <freeflying> Riddle:I've told this to minghua ,the maintainer of scim in debian
[04:46] <Riddell> freeflying: great
[05:01] <Riddell> freeflying: going to fix up skim?
[05:09] <freeflying> Riddle: I'm working for it now and soon it will be uploaded
[05:12] <Riddell> groovy
[05:13] <freeflying> thanks
[05:22] <Riddell> give me a ping when it's uploaded
[08:00] <pef_aw> Riddell: thank you, but I leaved breezy for a breezy-updates upload, since the problem is similar in Breezy
[09:37] <_Tonio_> hi all
[09:44] <JRe> hi _Tonio_
[09:46] <_Tonio_> hi JRe
[09:47] <JRe> _Tonio_: how are you ?
[09:50] <_Tonio_> JRe: fine ;)
[09:50] <_Tonio_> isa server to install.......
[09:50] <_Tonio_> but fine ;)
[09:50] <JRe> :)
[09:51] <_Tonio_> JRe: did you saw for standard version in packages ? <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:51] <_Tonio_> I have to note that
[09:51] <_Tonio_> s/standard/standards
[09:51] <Tm_T> I can't install ubuntu to my server pc
[09:51] <JRe> _Tonio_: ho no I didn't know
[09:52] <Tm_T> installer keep saying there's no ethernet but firewire
[09:52] <_Tonio_> mornfall: Tm_T
[09:52] <Tm_T> firewire in pentium 200MHz sure
[09:52] <_Tonio_> morning Tm_T
[09:52] <Tm_T> :)
[09:52] <_Tonio_> ^^ still sleeping a bit ;)
[09:52] <Tm_T> morning _Tonio_
[09:53] <Tm_T> well, almost no sleep here
[09:53] <JRe> I woke up early to give a lesson at the university but it was cancelled :)
[09:54] <Tm_T> well, I guess I got 2h sleep
[09:54] <_Tonio_> I woke up too late to be at work and missed my morning meeting ;)
[09:54] <Tm_T> :p
[09:54] <_Tonio_> as about always ;)
[09:55] <_Tonio_> Tm_T: I was doing this for month, but from now two weeks, I try to sleep at least 5 hours per night....
[09:55] <_Tonio_> it is really better during the day ;)
[09:56] <Tm_T> yu
[09:56] <Tm_T> but sometimes I feel too shit to sleep
[09:57] <Tm_T> anyway, trying to hunt some food ->
[09:57] <_Tonio_> JRe: I will package klear toonight
[09:57] <JRe> _Tonio_: yep :)
[09:57] <_Tonio_> and maybe kompile if klear goes quick
[09:57] <JRe> _Tonio_: i have finished my work on ksystemlog. it's a lot better now
[09:58] <_Tonio_> here is the problem when you build a new package, it can take from 20 minutes to many hours....
[09:58] <_Tonio_> JRe: fine ;)
[09:58] <_Tonio_> JRe: any ambition to work on systemsettings bugs ? ^_^
[09:58] <JRe> _Tonio_: should be the case soon :) ATM i'm working on my new KFormat
[09:59] <_Tonio_> s/toolspart/tools part
[09:59] <_Tonio_> JRe: nice
[12:23] <pef> _Tonio_: standards-version should be 3.6.2, not <IP_ADDRESS> ;)
[12:25] <_Tonio_> pef ?
[12:26] <pef> [09:51]  <_Tonio_> JRe: did you saw for standard version in packages ? <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:26] <_Tonio_> pef : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=658
[12:26] <_Tonio_> look at Riddell 's revu....
[12:27] <pef> _Tonio_: I've asked to a dd, and another MOTU told me not to use last digit
[12:27] <_Tonio_> pef, okay, so we'll have to make it clear ;)
[12:28] <_Tonio_> pef: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=777
[12:28] <_Tonio_> same here....
[12:28] <pef> _Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=803
[12:29] <pef> _Tonio_: look at #ubuntu-motu ;)
[12:29] <_Tonio_> pef: okay, I admit, but then I think all revuers have to decide of a standard
[12:29] <pef> _Tonio_: yep
[12:30] <pef> Riddell: hello, I think you're wrong when setting Standards-Version to <IP_ADDRESS>, you should'nt use last digit
[12:31] <pef> Riddell: allee, dholbach and amny dd in #debian-devel agree to use only 3 digits (3.6.2)
[12:45] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi Jonathan!
[02:34] <pef> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-i18n/+bug/485 This is fixed by a simple rebuild. Should I upload the rebuilded version to revu, or just add a debdiff ?
[03:28] <jjesse> i'm trying to build nessus thrugh the nessus installer and it is having problems with not findng flex, lex and yacc what package do i need to install for those?
[03:40] <Riddell> good morning all
[03:40] <Riddell> pef: add a debdiff and poke me is probably good as any
[03:40] <Riddell> jjesse: tried installing flex and bison packages?
[03:41] <jjesse> is yacc in one of those packages?
[03:42] <Riddell> should be in bison I think
[03:42] <Riddell> it is a pune or play on words
[03:43] <jjesse> oh
[03:48] <Riddell> pef: that kde-i18n-se beastie is invalid
[03:58] <Riddell> Mez!
[03:59] <Mez> Riddell!!!
[04:00] <Mez> hows things?
[04:00] <Riddell> tres bien
[04:00] <Mez> good good
[04:00] <Mez> when you flying to montreal btw?
[04:00] <Riddell> although the swimming pool is just too short to get a proper swim in
[04:00] <Riddell> last wednesday :)
[04:00] <Mez> oh
[04:00] <Mez> ok
[04:01] <Mez> lol
[04:07] <Mez> how is it?
[04:08] <Riddell> between the quebecois and the chinese it's quite cultural
[04:09] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi Jonathan!
[04:09] <Mez> cold?
[04:10] <Riddell> hi cmvo baby
[04:12] <cmvo> I think I found something (or it :-) in case of the admin problem:
[04:12] <cmvo> kdesu_stub gets passed "KDESYCOCA=/tmp/kde-user/ksycoca" in the environment by
[04:12] <cmvo> kdesu.
[04:13] <cmvo>  /tmp/kde-user/ksycoca is a symlink to /var/tmp/kdecache-user/ksycoca
[04:13] <cmvo> This symlink does not exist after a reboot, but gets created by kbuildsycoca.
[04:14] <cmvo> When the symlink is created admin mode works, when it is delete it does not.
[04:21] <Riddell> cmvo: wow
[04:23] <cmvo> When kded later detects a change in software (I don't know what kded is watching in detail) it runs kbuildsycoca which also creates the link.
[04:23] <Riddell> so get kdesu to create that link and we're sorted
[04:24] <cmvo> This could be an explanation why the problem is so erratic. Anytime kded runs kbuildsycoca admin mode begins to work until the next reboot.
[04:25] <Riddell> makes me wonder what deletes that symlink
[04:25] <Riddell> but it does sound like the sort of thing that could get deleted by various things which is why other distros would have occational problems too
[04:26] <cmvo> Isn't /tmp cleaned on any reboot?
[04:27] <Riddell> hmm, not sure
[04:27] <Riddell> but if it was then how come it works most of the time
[04:28] <cmvo> Its cleaned in /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh after $TMPTIME days. TMPTIME is 0 int /etc/default/rcS.
[04:29] <cmvo> s/int/in/
[04:29] <Riddell> you're ahead of me :)
[04:29] <Riddell> I guess it works after reboot if there's been a good reason to run kbuildsycoca
[04:30] <Riddell> which explains why a fresh install or new user is fine since they will have had kbuildsycoca run
[04:30] <cmvo> Just searched to /tmp in init.d :-)
[04:31] <cmvo> s/to/for/ (I type too fast)
[04:32] <cmvo> Also kded runs kbuildsycoca when it delects new kde programs. Then admin mode also works until the next reboot.
[04:33] <cmvo> But I don't think it should be kdesu to create the link. Maybe kded is the better place.
[04:34] <cmvo> As a bandaid fix add:
[04:34] <cmvo> [General]
[04:34] <cmvo> CheckFileStamps=false
[04:35] <cmvo> to .kde/share/config/kdedrc then kbuildsycoca is run on every reboot.
[04:48] <cmvo> I don't know if /tmp/kde-user is a historic place for ksycoca. Maybe kdesu shouldn't pass it on in the first place. kdesu uses locateLocal() to create the tmp path. And this
[04:49] <cmvo> function disappears in the depth of KDE. Maybe it just searches /tmp before /var/tmp.
[04:53] <pef> arg
[04:54] <pef> someone knows ho to find all bugs assigned to Kubuntu team in Malone ?
[05:00] <JRe> pef: yes go to kubuntu-team page
[05:00] <JRe> pef: and click on the bugs menu entry (top of the page)
[05:01] <JRe> pef: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs
[05:02] <pef> JRe: thank you :)
[05:21] <JRe> Riddell: if I make a patch to fix layout problems of systemsettings, is there any chance that it will be integrated into breezy-updates ?
[05:25] <Riddell> JRe: unlikely but it would be very welcome for dapper and kde 3.5
[05:25] <Riddell> and it could go in breezy-backports if you ask mez
[05:26] <JRe> Riddell: ok I'll try to fix it
[05:29] <Riddell> cmvo: do you think that if we just patch kdesu to pass KDESYCOCA=/var/tmp/kdecache-user/ksycoca that would fix it?
[05:36] <cmvo> I've looked through kded.cpp maybe just changing the first parameter of locateLocal() from "tmp" to "cache" could fix it too.
[05:36] <cmvo> I just give it a try and look and see what parameter gets passed to kdesu_stub
[05:37] <cmvo> s/and see//
[05:42] <Riddell> _Tonio_: are you a motu?
[05:47] <_Tonio_> Riddell: no not yet ;)
[05:47] <_Tonio_> Riddell: I'm even not a member at the moment
[05:48] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/ktranslator/0.3-0ubuntu1/  compiled
[05:49] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kinstaller/0.2-0ubuntu1/ compiled
[05:49] <Riddell> _Tonio_: are you on amd64?
[05:49] <_Tonio_> no.... jre is
[05:49] <_Tonio_> maybe he could try a pbuilder and tell us what about
[05:49] <Riddell> _Tonio_: then your pbuilder should be able to compile
[05:49] <_Tonio_> yep
[05:49] <JRe> yes I do may I test these packages _Tonio_ ?
[05:50] <_Tonio_> I'll test toonight
[05:50] <Riddell> amd64 is failing on evething
[05:50] <Riddell> I assume it's not KDE's fault
[05:50] <_Tonio_> JRe: you may find the sources on our repo.... same sources except a patch on the  .desktop file
[05:50] <JRe> _Tonio_: k
[05:51] <_Tonio_> Riddell: if it works, I will start uploads this weekend....
[05:51] <_Tonio_> I have plenty of packages to upload :)
[05:51] <Riddell> _Tonio_: uploads to revu?
[05:51] <_Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[05:52] <_Tonio_> about 12 packages I think, something like that
[06:16] <cmvo> Riddell: kdebase build still grinding along...
[06:17] <Riddell> I know that feeling
[06:17] <JRe> libreadline5: Depends: readline-common but it is not installed
[06:17] <Riddell> although you should be able to just cd obj-<tab>; cd kdesu; make; make install
[06:18] <JRe> (while running pbuilder create on amd64, dapper distrib)
[06:22] <JRe> Riddell: arg dapper debootstrap seem broken
[06:23] <cmvo> Riddell: cd obj... But only after the first build? (I still have a lot to learn about debs...)
[06:24] <Riddell> JRe: what's broken about it?
[06:24] <JRe> Riddell: does yours try to installreadline-common ?
[06:25] <Riddell> cmvo: run debuild until ./configure is done then you should be able to do that
[06:25] <JRe> Riddell: when I am trying to create the base.tgz it mess with libreadline5
[06:25] <Riddell> cmvo: packages get built in obj-xx directory rather than in the source directory, keeps things tidy
[06:25] <Riddell> JRe: that's an amd64 problem, it's why nothing is compiling on amd64
[06:26] <Riddell> JRe: tried making an i386 pbuilder?
[06:26] <JRe> Riddell: nop but I'm going to do that ;)
[06:33] <cmvo> Riddell: Is there a shortcut to create obj and the makefiles without a complete build? I tried ./configure, but should habe used the configure parameters from debian/rules.
[06:35] <Riddell> cmvo: run debuild
[06:35] <Riddell> once it gets to the compiling start stop it with control-c
[06:35] <Riddell> cd obj-<tab>; cd wherever; make
[06:35] <JRe> can it be noe with fakeroot debian/rules binary ?
[06:36] <JRe> ha no you need a partial rebuild
[06:36] <Riddell> debuild -nc  will carry on the compile without cleaning it first
[06:48] <cmvo> Change kdesu.cpp line 300 to: QCString ksycoca = "KDESYCOCA="+QFile::encodeName(locateLocal("cache", "ksycoca")); and kdesu passes /var/tmp/kdecache... to kdesu_stub (at least here :-)
[06:48] <Riddell> cmvo: rocking
[06:48] <Riddell> can you make a debdiff?
[06:49] <cmvo> try to :-)
[06:58] <cmvo> Riddell: What do you need, a debdiff of the source packages?
[07:01] <Riddell> cmvo: yes please
[07:01] <Riddell> debdiff foo-old.dsc foo-new.dsc
[07:05] <cmvo> Ok, it'll take a bit, have finish the build, to get the new dsc. Do I need to change the version in changelog to get a differently named file or just move the original source files out of the way so they don't get overwritten?
[07:18] <cmvo> Riddell: Do I need to change the version in changelog to get differently named files or just move the original source files out of the way so they don't get overwritten?
[07:26] <\sh> Riddell: how is the weather in montreal?
[07:46] <cmvo> \sh: It seems to be 5C and overcast :-)
[07:47] <_jpetso> ...ok, now for the newlyswitched ones
[07:47] <_jpetso> i'm trying to compile some autotools stuff that I had compiling on Gentoo before, and it doesn't work yet in Ubuntu
[07:48] <_jpetso> it says (extract):
[07:48] <_jpetso> configure.in: 8: automake requires `AM_PROG_LEX', not `AC_PROG_LEX'
[07:48] <_jpetso> automake: examples/fact/Makefile.am: lex source seen but `AC_DECL_YYTEXT' not in `configure.in'
[07:52] <jpetso> ...I hope no one has said something important? seems like I'm getting disconnected regularly... (which also wasn't the case in Gentoo, but hey)
[08:05] <\sh> jpetso: what did u try to compile and why?
[08:05] <jpetso> kdevelop-pg, the new parser generator for KDevelop, because I'm writing a grammar for it
[08:07] <\sh> jpetso: and how do you compile? looks like u have a wrong version auf autotools stuff
[08:07] <jpetso> I've got the breezy standard stuff
[08:08] <jpetso> \sh: ...and just tried installing automake1.9 additionally, don't help so far
[08:08] <jpetso> \sh: except automake --version still says 1.4
[08:08] <\sh> jpetso: so u called aclocal-1.9 \n automake-1.9?
[08:09] <jpetso> \sh: I didn't, what does that do?
[08:10] <\sh> jpetso: the default version "aclocal/automake" is 1.4
[08:10] <jpetso> yup
[08:10] <\sh> jpetso: to call 1.9 version u have to call aclocal-1.9 and automake-1.9
[08:10] <Riddell> cmvo: dch -i to add a new changelog entry
[08:10] <jpetso> ok, seems logical
[08:10] <Riddell> \sh: slightly nippy but not freezing
[08:11] <jpetso> \sh: done, but automake --version still says 1.4
[08:11] <\sh> jpetso: yes...because it's 1.4 and not 1.9
[08:12] <\sh> Riddell: ok..good to have warm clothes with me
[08:12] <jpetso> \sh: ok...so how do I get 1.9 to be used by make -f Makefile.cvs
[08:12] <Riddell> jpetso: remove automake, install automake1.9
[08:12] <Riddell>  /usr/bin/automake just points to alternatives
[08:13] <jpetso> Riddell: remove like rm, or like in Adept?
[08:13] <\sh> jpetso: rm like rm ;)
[08:13] <Riddell> jpetso: adept :)
[08:13] <jpetso> ok...
[08:13] <Riddell> don't listen to \sh
[08:13] <\sh> lol
[08:13] <Riddell> especially when he tells you to rm -rf /
[08:13] <\sh> *grmpf* i never tell such stupid things
[08:14] <\sh> well...anyways...it's actually the wrong way
[08:14] <\sh> the right way is debootstrap a breezy or better dapper
[08:14] <\sh> and compile there
[08:14] <\sh> and create a real .deb package
[08:14] <jpetso> \sh: if I knew now what debootstrapping means, maybe
[08:15] <\sh> jpetso: everything to learn is on wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources ... there is a link to Debootstrap
[08:15] <Riddell> jpetso: ubw:DebootstrapChroot
[08:15] <jpetso> thanks
[08:15] <\sh> jpetso: just like installing gentoo from the installer iso with a clean HD
[08:15] <\sh> but much easier
[08:16] <\sh> jpetso: ubw: works only in konqueror...
[08:16] <jpetso> \sh: i knew that, i even knew i had replaced smth:bla with smth bla
[08:16] <\sh> need to find a way to implement this in ff, too
[08:20] <jpetso> Riddell, \sh: so cool, it worked!
[09:04] <cmvo> Riddell: Got to go. The build is still running, tried to continue it, but --nc implies -b, which means no source. So the diff has to wait till tomorrow. Cu!
[09:46] <Riddell> \sh_away: can you see Edit Emblem on https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ?
[09:47] <Riddell> might be on one of the subpages
[10:23] <lamont> Riddell: Build-Depends: ..., g++-3.4 [
[10:23] <lamont> arm m68k hppa]
[10:28] <Riddell> lamont: what's the problem?
[10:30] <lamont> lack of build-depends kinda makes gcc-3.4 unusable...
[10:30] <lamont> see http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/k/kdenetwork/4\:3.4.3-0ubuntu1/kdenetwork_4\:3.4.3-0ubuntu1_20051028-1307-hppa-failed.gz
[10:30] <lamont> well, without the \ chars...
[10:31] <lamont> http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/k/kdenetwork/4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1/kdenetwork_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1_20051028-1307-hppa-failed.gz
[10:31] <lamont> I uploaded a -0ubuntu2 with the build-dep above
[10:35] <Riddell> ah, oops, sorry
[10:35] <lamont> np


[01:32] <mmikowski> valorie are you around?
[01:33] <valorie> in a budget meeting rn, sorry
[01:36] <mmikowski> Ah, joy.
[02:06] <mmikowski> So I wanted to bounce an  idea off you, but perhaps tomorrow.
 Thanks Valorie, I got them both. I'll pick up with this and start bringing it all together, when I get back from hols
[06:20] <valorie> have fun, and give my best to your family
[06:20] <valorie> thank you for your leadership
 Certainly will {{Hug}}
[06:21] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{[hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
 Just jumped backon for 2 minutes, to send the email to Jonathan to extend contract for Scarlett. Finishing that up now, and then I'm gone
[06:21] <valorie> mmikowski: I'll be around late afternoon Pacific - tomorrow is a "work day"
[06:22] <valorie> perfect! bon voyage
[22:47] <valorie>  back after some gusts of wind took out power > internet


[17:43] <zoobab_> hi
[17:43] <zoobab_> where can I report a bug?
[17:44] <zoobab_> the live LTSP feature does not work fine:
[17:44] <zoobab_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zoobab/5742980631/in/photostream
[17:47] <highvoltage> hi zoobab_
[17:48] <highvoltage> do you have another dhcp server running?
[17:48] <highvoltage> you got boot server ip: <IP_ADDRESS>, but iirc ltsp live uses <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:52] <highvoltage> an you'd also get a prompt that says "Starting Edubuntu Live LTSP... Press F8 for boot menu.", so I'm pretty sure you got a dhcp response elsewhere than a live ltsp system
[18:08] <zoobab_> I did an ifconfig by hand because the server did not had any IP
[18:08] <zoobab_> trying again with 0.254
[18:17] <highvoltage> you should restart the dhcp server too if you change the ip address (probably a good idea to just run ltsp-live again, that should do it too)
[18:18] <highvoltage> there's a bug we didn't get to fix yet that if you start ltsp-live before network manager settles down, then it doesn't get set up properly. that's high on my fix-list for the next cycle
[18:22] <zoobab_> tried with 0.254, same failure
[18:22] <zoobab_> running ltsp-live again
[18:23] <zoobab_> have you tried tcos?
[18:23] <zoobab_> I am on their mailinglist, but it is very spanish centric
[18:26] <zoobab_> ah works now
[18:30] <highvoltage> what's tcos?
[18:30] <zoobab_> another ltsp solution
[18:30] <highvoltage> (I guess not The Canadian Orthoptic Society)
[18:31] <highvoltage> ah got it
[18:32] <zoobab_> what is the default login?
[18:32] <highvoltage> ah seems similar to ltsp 4
[18:32] <zoobab_> I would like to shutdown this noisy harddisk with hdparm
[18:32] <highvoltage> for ltsp live you should just be able to click on the guest login button
[18:32] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[18:33] <zoobab_> I have 4 laptops, 2 of them do not have onboard ethernet, only via a pcmcia card
[18:33] <zoobab_> any idea how to make a liveCD out for a client?
[18:33] <zoobab_> yes, but I want to have a console
[18:34] <zoobab_> and when I launch xterm, I am on the server
[18:41] <zoobab_> any idea how to get a local shell on the terminal?
[18:58] <highvoltage> zoobab_: you can put "SCREEN_02=shell" under the default section in the lts.conf file
[18:58] <highvoltage> (can be found at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386)
[18:59] <highvoltage> gpxe might have pcmcia etherbet drivers, I'm not sure but it's worth a try: http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/howtos
[19:00] <zoobab_> I was thinking about using some kexec trick
[19:26] <zoobab_> how do I add hdparm to the image that is booted by the thinclient?
[19:27] <highvoltage> you can chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and apt-get install it in there
[19:27] <highvoltage> (you can't do that on ltsp live though)
[19:38] <zoobab_> that's what I am using at the moment :)
[19:43] <zoobab_> I have the possibility to boot on an ISO file
[19:44] <zoobab_> is there any iso I could create for a client that cannot do PXE?
[19:44] <highvoltage> ltsp live is useful for some demoing but unfortunately it's not as flexible as the installed version
[19:44] <highvoltage> hmm? that cannot do pxe?
[19:44] <zoobab_> yes
[19:45] <zoobab_> but has a pcmcia ethernet card
[19:45] <zoobab_> or a wifi card
[19:45] <zoobab_> I was thinking about modifying kexec-loader distrib
[19:45] <zoobab_> and add some iwconfig/wicd-curses
[19:45] <highvoltage> you could do that, but trying to pxe from an iso will be easiest: http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-1.0.0/contrib/rom-o-matic/
[19:46] <zoobab_> so that at least a kexec enabled kernel can load something else
[19:47] <zoobab_> gpxe does not has support for pcmcia AFAIK
[21:37] <zoobab_> I am looking at pxe-kexec
[21:45] <zoobab_> there is also http://myllynen.fedorapeople.org/pxkxc-0.1.1.tar.gz


[12:01] <SMJ> is someone of you responsible for the downfall of usability in Ubuntu?
[12:02] <coz_> SMJ,  ooo what do you mean?
[12:02] <coz_> SMJ,   you mean  Unity  ?
[12:04] <SMJ> that's the other thing
[12:04] <coz_> SMJ,   whats the first thing? :)
[12:04] <SMJ> actually, the problems I'm having might be created by GNOME 3
[12:04] <coz_> ah
[12:05] <coz_> SMJ,  yeah gnome3  can be somewhat  difficult if you arent used to it
[12:05] <coz_> SMJ,  whats the issue you are having?
[12:05] <SMJ> I want to change the application/panel/menu font.
[12:06] <SMJ> in the new Ubuntu Classic in Oneiric
[12:07] <coz_> SMJ,  ok that you can ask in #ubuntu+1  which is the official channel for pre release versions of ubuntu,, I havent installed it yet,, there are still too many issues and it is after all Alpha stage


[06:37] <Takyoji> Thoughts?   You could say that GNOME was diverting money from any distro that ships their product, really.
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I think the thing in question is MIT actually.
[06:42] <Takyoji> otherwise yes, it may be legal, just not ethical to some. :P
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> Then they have a misguided definition of ethical.
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> It may not be *nice*, but it's certainly still ethical.
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> Ethical != "what I think they should do"


[03:00] <futzilogik> how do I circumvent the exception "Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit"?
[03:20] <futzilogik> ok, the problem is gone after installing libgcj7-awt
[03:25] <futzilogik> why does classpath.deb not depend on libgcj7-awt? obviously, AWT/Swing applications do not run without AWT peer classes. since classpath provides AWT / Swing, there is an unmet runtime dependency. or do I misunderstand something here?
[04:53] <doko> you do not need to install the classpath.deb at all
[05:20] <futzilogik> ok. why is that? classpath says it implements java.awt.* and javax.swing.*. so why don't I need it to run AWT/Swing programs?
[05:33] <doko> libgcj includes a copy of classpath.
[05:33] <doko> if classpath needs libgcj7-awt, it needs to depend on it
[05:40] <futzilogik> obviously, I was not using classpath then but libgcj7 or whatever
[05:49] <futzilogik> why is there a classpath.deb then?


[13:53] <z4kst4r> Hi Guys, I  have  multiple sites to connect to using VPN and then connect to one platform using the webgui or SSH session for that site and I have to keep switching between the sites with different VPN and then to their interface. I have some scripts to connect to VPN of different sites and open webgui however, I was looking to create a graphical frontend for my desktop. wherein I have blocks in a list for each site and I can double click to con
[13:53] <z4kst4r> would then turn green) and I can right click to choose to connect through webgui or SSH to the platform as well. I am not an advanced programmer but I think I should be able to do this at least. Do you have any ideas on what language and packages can be used to accomplish this?
[22:44] <tomreyn> z4kst4r: part of what you wrote was cut off due to the line length limit.
[22:45] <tomreyn> you might be interested in https://ipredator.se/netsplice


[02:37] <hyperair> hi. does anyone know about the bans for zack123/zsw?
[02:37] <chu> I thought Pici removed them yesterday?
[02:37] <hyperair> he's in #lubuntu requesting help for getting himself unbanned.
[02:39] <hyperair> IdleOne?
[02:39] <hyperair> looks like he's got the same IPv6 address as IdleOne
[02:41] <IdleOne> hyperair: yes we unbanned him but apparently we forgot to remove some
[02:41] <hyperair> hmm?
[02:42] <IdleOne> but I see no bans that would affect him right now
[02:42] <hyperair> okay cool
[02:43] <zack123> hello
[02:43] <hyperair> hello there.
[02:43] <zack123> so
[02:43] <zack123> ...
[02:43] <hyperair> thank IdleOne. he did the unbanning
[02:43] <IdleOne> hello zack123 can you try joining #ubuntu now please
[02:43] <zack123> ok
[02:43] <hyperair> looks like some bans were left behind by mistake.
[02:43] <zack123> still baned
[02:44] <IdleOne> try again please
[02:44] <zack123> ok
[02:44] <IdleOne> there ya go.
[02:44] <zack123> yes
[02:44] <zack123> thank you verry much
[02:44] <IdleOne> sure thing
[02:44] <IdleOne> thanks hyperair
[02:44] <hyperair> np
[02:44] <IdleOne> have a good night zack123
[02:44] <zack123> yea thanks to both of you
[02:45] <zack123> gn
[02:45] <hyperair> np
[02:49] <zack123> im still kinda baned from #xubuntu
[02:49] <IdleOne> gimme a minute
[02:49] <zack123> ok
[02:50] <IdleOne> try now
[02:50] <zack123> i all good :)
[02:50] <zack123> thx
[02:51] <IdleOne> yup
[09:05] <DJones> @mark xeon  xeon> I use BackTrack5 r3. Is  possible  hack the  web site with BackTrack?
[10:51] <JoeSomebody> page not found ... http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/leadership-conduct, can someone help with that?
[10:54] <knome> JoeSomebody, this is not exactly the channel to discuss that, but where do you see the link?
[10:59] <JoeSomebody> off ubuntu.com of course , i was trhink of it as irc, but as i just realized (unfortunately) you got nothing to do with ubuntu.com support, do you?
[11:00] <JoeSomebody> i understand volunteers on irc may not be able to help me, or may be unwilling, but i expected more of the actual site , who we actually pay
[11:00] <JoeSomebody> can you direct me to these dudes?
[11:00] <JoeSomebody> i asked them for help yesterday via ubuntu.com no reply
[11:03] <JoeSomebody> it seems i have to buy support to evaluate ubuntu properly, i already tried on my own, and that is kinda sad, not linux-like to me
[11:08] <knome> JoeSomebody, point me to the exact page where you see the link and i might be able to help you with it.
[11:09] <JoeSomebody> i suspect why i get no help is due to an incident a couple years ago, unfortunately ikonia is not here to ask BUT BEFORE YOU RAISE BANHAMMER, i may be wrong, i'm an ass sometimes :)
[11:09] <JoeSomebody> i do not wish to piss anyone off, ever, not then , not now
[11:10] <JoeSomebody> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[11:10] <JoeSomebody> bottom of page
[11:10] <JoeSomebody> now you know i am prepared for next ban LOL
[11:11] <knome> the page is fixed
[11:11] <JoeSomebody> wow, nice :)
[11:11] <knome> you can leave the channel now if you don't have other issues since this channel has a no idling policy
[11:13] <JoeSomebody> yes, please apologize to ikonia for the past as i am not able to keep waiting on channels people any more, rather pay than be ignored , laughed at etc.
[11:13] <JoeSomebody> ok?
[11:13] <JoeSomebody> and stop telling people to go back to windows, expecially pissed off ex-microsoft partners
[11:14] <knome> your message is in the logs. you can leave now.
[11:15] <knome> IRCC: commented out the leadership CoC link from that page, feel free to uncomment when you have a working link
[11:16] <knome> apparently it's merged in the main CoC 2.0
[11:30] <Pricey> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct seems broken to me.
[11:31] <knome> that's a bit weird, ack
[11:31] <Pricey> I'll just trundle on abiding by v1 and not v2!
[11:31] <knome> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
[11:31] <knome> well it does say "current version"
[11:31] <knome> and links to 2.0
[11:32] <knome> though it says released 2005-04-12
[11:32] <knome> that can't be right
[11:42] <Pricey> I imagine it probably shouldn't say "Yes" for having signed the CoC on your profile if it's an out of date version too.
[11:42] <Pricey> Or at least clarify which.
[11:42] <Pricey> In related news, wow it's been 8 years.
[11:42] <knome> :)
[11:43] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeadershipCodeofConduct
[11:43] <tsimpson> though it seems like it's obsoleted
[13:01] <popey> mootbot seems missing from #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[13:02] <trijntje> Hi all, we just had a user in #ubuntu that had broken his system by using dd to write a bunch of zeros to the first sectors of his disk. So, I created a factoid for dd
[13:05] <Pricey> !dd
[13:05] <DJones> popey: Looks like thats run by the ScribesTeam, might be worth asking in #ubuntu-scribes
[13:05] <popey> haha, me and emma in there
[13:05] <popey> so no, probably not
[13:06] <DJones> Ah well, I guess they need to update their wiki page
[13:06] <DJones> Is mootbot still maintained by seeker
[13:24] <jussi> DJones: I thought AlanBell was handling mootbot now
[13:25] <DJones> jussi: Could be, I know he does meetingology, I was just going off the mootbot project page that had seeker listed
[13:25] <jussi> yeah, I may be wrong...
[13:35] <knome> jussi, of course you are always wrong :)
[13:35]  * jussi shoots knome in the foot
[13:35] <knome> shoots and leaves?
[13:35] <knome> "ow"
[13:35]  * knome farts in jussi's nose
[13:36] <knome> your daughter's sweater is still here. not that it likely still fits her...
[13:36] <jussi> knome: yeah, im aware of the fact...
[13:36] <jussi> and unlikely it fits her still...
[13:36] <knome> yep
[13:37] <knome> come have some coffee some day
[13:38] <knome> i have lots of it in stock now, they had a super sale on löfbergs coffee in k-citymarket :)
[13:38] <knome> (three for 10€! usually ~5-6€ per one!)
[13:38] <knome> too alluring
[19:48] <genii> @comment 59741 Reviewed, not lifted.
[20:23] <miseria> "nunca trates de abarcar el mundo con las dos manos, al final de tus dias, te quedaras sin manos y sin mundo" *bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[20:25] <popey> came here to report miseria as a spammer...
[20:40] <genii> Hehe
[20:40] <genii> popey: I banned that one from a few channels now and saw it in 8-9 others doing the same spam. Reported it in #freenode but still hasn't been k-lined
[20:40] <genii> ( this is like 3-4 days now
[20:46] <genii> @comment  Spanish spam and run. See also 59767 and 59859
[20:51] <genii> @comment 59867 Spanish spam. Same user (or bot) as 59866, 59859, 59767, 59768
[20:51] <genii> Whups
[20:52] <genii> @comment 59866 Spanish spam. Same user (or bot) as  59859, 59767, 59768
[20:52] <phunyguy> o.O
[20:52] <genii> phunyguy: miseria again
[22:49] <IdleOne> done
[23:26] <knome> so,
[23:26] <knome> is zsw now okay, eg. not the kid we saw earlier?
[23:30] <knome> apparently asking about cracking some passwords
[23:30] <knome> "i just got cain&able [sic]"
[23:30] <knome> http://www.oxid.it/cain.html
[23:36] <Pici> I remember that tool...
[23:37] <Pici> also, he was supposed to be okay.
[23:37] <knome> i guess.
[23:37] <knome> let's have a look
[23:38] <knome> file:///usr/share/doc/python-launchpadlib/docs/files/mugshot.png
[23:38] <knome> what is this file doing on my computer?!
[23:39] <knome> must be something to do with jussi
[23:39] <Jordan_U> knome: Smiling.
[23:40] <knome> Jordan_U, got it. thanks. now i can sleep the night.
[23:40] <knome> somebody's smiling on MY. COMPUTER!
[23:49] <Jordan_U> As far as I can tell it's just there for those following the examples in /usr/share/doc/python-launchpadlib/docs/hosted-files.txt . Though I'm not sure.
[23:52] <knome> yeah... but amagad that "artwork"