[03:06] <bluejeans> epicreviews, i assume you are trying to run a script within conky.. check the script in the conkyrc for errors
[03:06] <boss_mc> yo
[03:06] <^Cheeky> boot time !!
[03:06] <^Cheeky> ^_^ thank yu
[03:06] <^Cheeky> you
[03:06] <bluejeans> ^see you on the other side
[03:07] <aliendude5300> I followed a guide on the forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197964 to set up VNC remote logins but its not working :(
[03:07] <jezza> Boss_MC sorry - irc was stuck -   so would command be su chroot /media/disk-1?
[03:07] <VCoolio1> epicreviews: that's maybe lyricsdownloader (line 87)? It's something trying to connect to internet, dunno if this uses that port by default
[03:07] <boss_mc> jezza: yes
[03:07] <aliendude5300> I get an error that says read: Connection reset by peer (104)
[03:07] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, FATAL: Module fuse not found.
[03:07] <evocallaghan> ^Cheeky: You one a livecd now?
[03:07] <romi_> holas
[03:07] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, that is interesting
[03:07] <aliendude5300> any ideas how to fix that?
[03:07] <boss_mc> epicreviews: it's a line that monitor's the music playing daemon (mpd) which listens on port 6600
[03:07] <myxo> if an iso is shown mounted on my desktop, how do i navigate to such an iso using my terminal?
[03:08] <zaccour> JackGray, is openpgp always required with repositories?
[03:08] <^Cheeky> evocallaghan, not yet
[03:08] <jezza> Boss_MC - hmm i thought so - term says unknown id!!
[03:08] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: sudo aptitude install libpam-encfs fuse
[03:08] <^Cheeky> evocallaghan, about to be
[03:08] <evocallaghan> ^Cheeky: OK, are you booting into a livecd now?
[03:08] <^Cheeky> brb
[03:08] <felix__> http://www.archive.org/details/cdc273_Flack_You_Cant_Handle_the_Commodore ,, for melancolyc ones :)
[03:08] <boss_mc> ah
[03:08] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, just did that
[03:08] <zaccour> JackGray, thanks for your help, i'm a little smarter today
[03:08] <boss_mc> jezza: sudo, not su
[03:08] <aliendude5300> Anyone? :/
[03:08] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage is Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:08] <evocallaghan> ^Cheeky: Good, can you tell me what the output of `find /boot -name *xen*` is please
[03:08] <zaccour> do repositories always require an OpenPGP key?
[03:08] <JackGray> zaccour: no problem, do you mean do you always need to add a repos keys?
[03:08] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: including the fuse at the end?
[03:09] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage is Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:09] <^Cheeky> evocallaghan, ok will do gimme a sec to boot
[03:09] <^Cheeky> ill come here
[03:09] <jezza> Boss_mc - kool im in
[03:09] <zaccour> JackGray, what i'm asking is do repositories always need OpenPGP keys also?
[03:09] <evocallaghan> thank you!
[03:09] <^Cheeky> any time
[03:10] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, Couldn't find package "fuse".  However, the following
[03:10] <Ubuntudad> packages contain "fuse" in their name:
[03:10] <JackGray> zaccour: no, you can just add the repos without the keys, but if you trust the repos you should add the keys because: (from the help.launchpad.net site): PPA keys make sure that the packages you're downloading haven't been altered since Launchpad built them and that you are downloading from the PPA you wanted
[03:10] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: ah, those instructions are outdated...
[03:10] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, that is what i am getting
[03:10] <aliendude5300> sigh... nobody knows how to set up remote logins with VNC?
[03:10] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:10] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, do you know a workaround?
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[03:10] <hipitihop> brodymcd: sorry ran off for breakfast.... just try wicd and see what it solves for you, it is way better then normal network manager and in most cases just works
[03:10] <LjL> !ops
[03:11] <eseven73> LjL, aren't you an op?
[03:11] <Kira> I messed up my upgrade from Hardy to Jaunty
[03:11] <qazavul> does anyone here play urban terror
[03:11] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:11] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: hmmm, nothing is jumping out at me
[03:11] <Kira> So I have installed Jaunty server from scratch onto another harddisk.
[03:12] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, that stinks i travel with this netbook a lot and would love the extra protection
[03:12] <Kira> How hard would it be to mount my old harddisk (with the failed Jaunty upgrade) to recover my files?
[03:12] <Flannel> Kira: Not difficult at all
[03:12] <jezza> Boss mc - should i go for Catalyst 9.4 or Cat 9.5
[03:12] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:12] <qazavul> who plays urban terror
[03:13] <qazavul> i need help
[03:13] <boss_mc> jezza: You'll have to go for 9.5 (9.4 doesn't support X-1.6 which jaunty uses)
[03:14] <jezza> Boss MC - ok, thanks  - is there any way to test the setup once its done ?
[03:14] <qazavul> can anyone help me
[03:14] <mikeyfbi> hey, im trying to install the black_white-2 style icons, but the download was a .tar and not recognized.. now im confused and stumped
[03:14] <boss_mc> jezza: boot into it?
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[03:15] <mikeyfbi> can anyone help me install these icons - http://dbgthekafu.deviantart.com/art/black-white-2-Style-73276755
[03:15] <kalsriv__> hi
[03:15] <qazavul> i need help wit urbanterro
[03:15] <qazavul> urban terror
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[03:16] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:16] <Kira> awwww
[03:16] <Kira> why remove the ban so soon?
[03:16] <aliendude5300> hi guys, I need help setting up remote logins through an VNC server...
[03:16] <qazavul> i need help
[03:16] <qazavul> plz
[03:16] <aliendude5300> I get an error that says read: Connection reset by peer (104)
[03:17] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, i sent an email to the last person that updated that wiki, maybe they know something
[03:17] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: good plan
[03:17] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, hopefully it was not to correct a spelling error :)
[03:17] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:17] <ngabriel> can anyone recommend a program that can be used to join two dvd images? (previously DVD9 split to 2 DVD4.7 discs)
[03:18] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: no, the package has moved and I couldn't find the kernel module they were discussing elsewhere so I think a new approach is needed
[03:18] <dreamy> VCoolio1: whats cvs .. and Ozos ?
[03:18] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: It it doable though...
[03:18] <jezza> Boss MC - get to build pkg bit and get error of permission denied
[03:18] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, i am sure it is, i just need to find how to do it
[03:19] <boss_mc> jezza, where did you download the .bin file to?
[03:19] <qazavul> anyone here play Nexuiz
[03:20] <joot> Ubuntudad, will this help?  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/
[03:20] <jezza> Boss-mc to Home>Useraccount>documents>downloads
[03:20] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:20] <bazhang> qazavul, offtopic chat about gaming in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:20] <qazavul> its not off topic
[03:20] <qazavul> im trying to get some help
[03:20] <jezza> BOSS-MC - should i moove it to temp or somthing?
[03:20] <bazhang> qazavul, then ask a support question
[03:20] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, this looks to be getting over my head quick
[03:20] <boss_mc> jezza: and then you cd'd there and ran the command?
[03:21] <jezza> BOSS - yes
[03:21] <qazavul> wutever
[03:21] <kalsriv__> Hi I want some help on video capture
[03:21] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: the sourceforge page will only help if you're willing to build from source...
[03:21] <myxo> i need to just sit in here and read all day long. finding problems just to fix them as others do
[03:21] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, i am not the best at that, only done it once or twice
[03:21] <boss_mc> jezza: strange, you should have write permissions
[03:21] <kalsriv__> anyone to help me on video capture device
[03:22] <decio> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed in a VPS and i whant a app that can help me manage its Disk usage trough sell. Any ideas
[03:22] <bazhang> kalsriv__, screencast?
[03:22] <kalsriv__> waht is screencast?
[03:22] <bazhang> video capture of your computer activities
[03:22] <robdig> decio: maybe the du command?
[03:23] <decio> i used that already
[03:23] <kalsriv__> no I mean live video capture not the screen activity
[03:23] <jezza> Boss mc - i dont have permissions for any folders on the HD--- how can i get permissions?
[03:23] <boss_mc> jezza: I'd advise switching to the recovery console for the rest of the commands (at least until you have to edit files again)
[03:24] <boss_mc> jezza: they must be mounted with write permission turned off
[03:24] <kalsriv__> I have jaunty working on my computer
[03:24] <aliendude5300> sigh... is anyone online who can help me?
[03:24] <jezza> Boss  - how can i remount with write permisiion?
[03:24] <decio> any other ideas
[03:24] <boss_mc> kalsriv__: tried cheese?
[03:25] <skierKyle> Hi, just wondering is this working?
[03:25] <kalsriv__> great boss. But what does it do
[03:25] <aliendude5300> is what working skier?
[03:25] <Flannel> skierKyle: Yep.  Howdy.
[03:25] <skierKyle> A you got it then
[03:25] <kalsriv__> Is it universal by nature
[03:25] <aliendude5300> ... yep.
[03:26] <kalsriv__> Can I integrate any camera and have live picture on my laptop
[03:26] <hipitihop> can someone point me at how to setup a usb flash boot but have settings and home drive pointed to an external mount
[03:26] <skierKyle> seeing if irssi was working right thanks.
[03:26] <aliendude5300> irssi is the best... :D
[03:26] <boss_mc> kalsriv__: ah, I see, I would assume so, but I have no idea!
[03:26] <boss_mc> kalsriv__: sorry
[03:26] <kalsriv__> ok.. any tips on installation atleast
[03:26] <boss_mc> repo
[03:27] <robdig> decio: how about the disk usage analyzer? Applications->Accessories->Disk Usage Analyzer
[03:27] <bazhang> !screencast
[03:27] <skierKyle> Its pretty slick once you get it set up
[03:27] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, yeah its above my head
[03:27] <nikolaz> hello, i know this may sound stupid.. but something very stupid is holding me from updating my  laptop to a new one i bought.. i can't back up everything.
[03:27] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, i got as far as extracting it, but it has me playing with the kernel
[03:27] <nikolaz> so FF save all my passwords, i never memorize them, and some of them i don't have anyway to recover them.. so i always click my id.. and then password come automatically like this ******* so i cant see it! how can i back up a complete FF with all this memory about my passwords? Any idea? lol
[03:27] <aliendude5300> skier -- you might want to register your name... /msg nickserv register password email
[03:28] <Ubuntudad> nikolaz, you can just write them down...
[03:29] <nikolaz> Ubuntudad: what you mean? i don't know what he passwords are, how can i write them down?
[03:29] <boss_mc> nikolaz: go to settings->privacy->show saved passwords
[03:29] <tzanger> Good evening
[03:29] <tzanger> I'm trying to understand a little more about ubuntu's internals
[03:29] <skierKyle> aliendude, I think i just did register, could you check again?
[03:29] <Ubuntudad> nikolaz, boss beat me to it, thats is what to do
[03:29] <tzanger> I'm not a new user to Linux at all, but I've also never had to worry about this stuff before :-)
[03:30] <boss_mc> nikolaz: sorry, security not privacy
[03:30] <tzanger> Ubuntu seems to use runlevel 1 for single-user mode and runlevel 2 for normal operation.  If that's the case, why on earth are there rc3.d through rc5.d (6 is reboot on most systems) ?
[03:30] <tzanger> I mean if they were empty I'd understand, but they're not
[03:31] <velcroshooz> !runlevel
[03:31] <velcroshooz> bah
[03:31] <velcroshooz> theres some link explaining it
[03:31] <boss_mc> tzanger: rc2-6 are the same on ubuntu
[03:31] <tzanger> boss_mc: I was just about to say that 2,3,4,5 look identical.  haven't checked 6 yet :-)
[03:31] <boss_mc> tzanger: they're only there is you want to create a special runlevel (for testing etc...)
[03:32] <boss_mc> oh, 6 is shutdown
[03:32] <tzanger> boss_mc: gotcha, thank you
[03:32] <boss_mc> so it will be different...
[03:32] <tzanger> yeah
[03:32] <tzanger> 6 is usually reboot and 0/S shutdown
[03:32] <tzanger> actually rcS.d looks different
[03:33] <tzanger> S is single user I suppose
[03:33] <velcroshooz> boy the driver the kernel is using for my macbook wireless is flaky as hell
[03:33] <tzanger> S still loads gdm
[03:33] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, i got it doing "make" right now
[03:33] <lstarnes> tzanger: 1 is single=-user
[03:33] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, lets cross our fingers
[03:33] <lstarnes> *single-user
[03:34] <tzanger> lstarnes: yes, but what's S for then?
[03:34] <tzanger> S is startup, 1 is single-user?
[03:34] <lstarnes> tzanger: it's some sort of special runlevel
[03:34] <Bob_Dole> I switched to Linux because I needed a faster computer, didn't want windows, couldn't afford a mac, was fairly familiar with ubuntu. iMac hasn't been turned on in a couple months :3
[03:35] <NCS_One> hmmm
[03:35] <velcroshooz> Bob_Dole, just install ubuntu on the imac too ;p
[03:35] <tzanger> Bob_Dole: I run Linux because I find it superior to the others
[03:35] <jezza> Boss- MC Hi - is there any way to mound the HD with full permissions?
[03:35] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, hmmm it installed yet i still cannot run the sudo modprobe fuse command
[03:35] <tzanger> lstarnes: yeah it seems to be a startup runlevel
[03:35] <jrolland-ubuntu> Help! I can't take eth0 down
[03:35] <tzanger> but the 'runlevel' command seems to indicate that it didn't run on normal startup
[03:36] <tzanger> i.e. it prints "N 2" on my particular system, meaning init went right to runlevel 2, there was no previous one
[03:36] <NCS_One> hmmm
[03:36] <jrolland-ubuntu> eth0 is definitely my internet connection interface, per ifconfig
[03:37] <jrolland-ubuntu> I get the error "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured"
[03:37] <lynxxxx> how i can install yahoo messenger
[03:37] <kalsriv__> hi how to download screencast in jaunty
[03:37] <RHorse> jrolland-ubuntu use ifconfig to configure
[03:37] <jrolland-ubuntu> I'm using intrepid
[03:38] <jrolland-ubuntu> ifconfig says eth0 is already my interface
[03:38] <jrolland-ubuntu> How do I do that?
[03:38] <AussieGuy> my system wide bash.bashrc variables dont seem to be available in bash scripts?
[03:39] <Paddy_EIRE_> is ubottu down?
[03:39] <jrolland-ubuntu> RHorse: Thx
[03:39] <NCS_One> hmmm
[03:39] <bazhang> ubottu, lag
[03:39] <boss_mc> !pm | jezza
[03:39] <RHorse> jrolland-ubuntu try sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[03:40] <Paddy_EIRE_> !ghost
[03:40] <dreamy> VCoolio1: enlightenmnet worked fine.. im exploring it rigth now
[03:41] <jrolland-ubuntu> RHorse: Yes, it worked. Thanks you so much!
[03:41] <RHorse> jrolland-ubuntu np!
[03:41] <kalsriv__> hi how to download and install scrren cast
[03:41] <Cheeky> umm hi ... does anyone have a link how to set up ubuntu advance mode  for separate partitions .. i dunno my order or what i need to choose to partition my hdd
[03:41] <Ubuntudad> ubottu really thinks it rude to be sent a pm? how strange
[03:41] <nikolaz> boss_mc: thanks a lot a nice tip about the passwords!
[03:41] <bazhang> !screencast | kalsriv__
[03:42] <Ubuntudad> boss_mc, thanks for the help, i hope to solve this one day
[03:42] <boss_mc> nikolaz: it's amazing how many people don't know about that...
[03:42] <nikolaz> boss_mc: it's dangerous lol
[03:42] <boss_mc> Ubuntudad: np
[03:42] <boss_mc> nikolaz: very
[03:42] <boss_mc> nikolaz: many facebook profiles have been defaced due to it!
[03:43] <nikolaz> boss_mc: mo shocked that they allow that easily, specially public computers
[03:43] <Kira> ...
[03:43] <Kira> the heck...
[03:43] <Kira> I can't ping my newly installed Jaunty server from my LAN.
[03:44] <boss_mc> nikolaz: the point is that if the password is saved, then it can be used in the site easily so there's no point protecting the passwords...
[03:44] <Kira> And I can't SSH into it either, even though sshd is clearly running.
[03:45] <boss_mc> Kira are you using IP address or name?
[03:45] <Kira> boss_mc: IP address
[03:45] <Kira> I used ifconfig in my new server to get it's LAN IP.
[03:45] <RHorse> Kira may want to check any firewalls
[03:45] <boss_mc> Kira: you've not got strong ufw rules in place
[03:46] <boss_mc> Kira: what RHorse said
[03:46] <Kira> It's a vanilla Jaunty server installation
[03:46] <Kira> so I don't think any strong ufw rule is in place.
[03:47] <RHorse> Kira are ssh_config and sshd_config on the same port, 22?
[03:47] <Kira> (well, vanilla in that I chose to install LAMP, OpenSSH, Mail server, DNS server, and Tomcat during the OS installation.
[03:48] <Mack> O_O
[03:48] <Mack> how would i go about installing DNS Server
[03:48] <Mack> Kira: you seem to know
[03:50] <lstarnes> Mack: install and configure bind
[03:50] <Mack> bind?
[03:50] <Mack> apt-get install bind?
[03:50] <lstarnes> Mack: it's actually bind9
[03:50] <Mack> ok
[03:50] <Mack> so apt-get install bind9
[03:50] <Mack> well suod
[03:50] <Mack> sudo*
[03:50] <lstarnes> Mack: try iot and see if it works
[03:50]  * Mack ssh's in
[03:50] <lstarnes> *it
[03:51] <DrFart> et.org
[03:52] <Mack> lstarnes: seems to be working
[03:52] <Mack> lstarnes: now how i set it up w/ bind9utils or w/e
[03:53] <lstarnes> Mack: bind9utils?
[03:53] <Mack> idk
[03:53] <Mack> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:53] <Mack>   bind9 bind9utils
[03:53] <thdev> hello all
[03:53] <lstarnes> Mack: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[03:54] <thdev> 9.04
[03:54] <Mack> 9.04 desktop
[03:54] <Mack> accidentally got desktop instead of server
[03:54] <lstarnes> thdev: I wasn't asking you
[03:54] <thdev> sorry
[03:54] <psycoborg> lol
[03:54] <Mack> mayhbe thdev just was in a talking mood :P
[03:54] <Mack> maybe*
[03:54] <psycoborg> got excited thedev??
[03:55] <lstarnes> Mack: there are many guides available for setting up bind9
[03:55] <thdev> yeah. i was eager to try out this irc mode in emacs
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> thdev:  now all emacs needs is a good text editor! :)
[03:55] <Mack> ok
[03:55]  * robdig wonders if emacs can still edit files
[03:55] <Mack> thdev: not irssi?
[03:55] <thdev> i might try that out
[03:56] <thdev> i have xchat and zenirc
[03:56] <thdev> irssi is good?
[03:56] <lstarnes> thdev: it is
[03:56] <Mack> its ok
[03:56] <lstarnes> thdev: it's terminal-based
[03:56] <Dam0> my eggdrop works when i type ./eggdrop -n egg.conf   but when i try to connect it normaly it wont connect to a irc server
[03:56] <Jamed> irssi is the best :)
[03:56] <Mack> Dam0: i dont get eggdrop :P
[03:56] <Mack> tried it
[03:56] <Mack> cant get it to work
[03:56] <Dam0> i have done b4
[03:56] <Dam0> im gaving this problem now
[03:56] <Dam0> having
[03:57] <metalforever> what is it.
[03:57] <Mack|irssi> hmm
[03:57] <Mack|irssi> irssi is ok
[03:57] <Mack|irssi> easy to install in ubuntu
[03:57] <psycoborg> it is like an orc bot
[03:57] <Mack|irssi> sudo apt-get install irssi :P
[03:57] <lstarnes> psycoborg: it is an irc bot
[03:57] <metalforever> god someone is broadcasting in here.
[03:57] <lstarnes> psycoborg: never mind, read that as a question
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> Dam0:  clarify wha tyou mean by 'connect  it normally'
[03:57] <psycoborg> see i wuz right...lol
[03:57] <metalforever> Dam0: problem is?
[03:57] <Mack> Jamed: can u do scripting in irssi?
[03:58] <thdev> yes
[03:58] <psycoborg> eerr..
[03:58] <Mack|irssi> HOW?
[03:58]  * Mack|irssi will try
[03:58] <Dam0> Dr_Willis: it wont connect to a irc server but it will connect if i type ./eggdrop -n dolmio.conf
[03:58] <psycoborg> no i meany irc..
[03:58] <gluonman> Can anyone advise me on the best method of clearing disc space without having to delete files I need?
[03:58] <Mack> Dam0: mine connects to irc, but wont join channels, nor respond to query
[03:58] <Mack> idk how to dcc chat
[03:58] <thdev> im
[03:58] <robdig> gluonman: delete the ones you don't need :)
[03:58] <Mack> can irssi do that?
[03:58] <lstarnes> Mack: yes
[03:59] <Dam0> Mack>: telnet to it mate
[03:59] <Mack> dam0 what port?
[03:59] <Dam0> u set it bro
[03:59] <gluonman> robdig, I'd appreciate it if you don't treat me like I'm stupid. I always delete what I don't need.
[03:59] <Dam0> its in your conf
[03:59] <Mack> O_O
[03:59] <Mack> genious
[03:59] <Mack> so like telnet localhost PORT
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> Dam0:  that dident really answer what i asked...   :)  if that command works.. you could just make it an alias/script to run the thing as you need.     or check the docs and see what default conf file it looks for and copy dolmio.conf to it.
[03:59] <Dam0> telnet: your ip port
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> Telnet - thats scary. :)
[04:00] <psycoborg> lol
[04:00] <thdev_> using irssi now
[04:00] <Mack> Dam0: wut about quitting it
[04:00] <steele> hey has anyone dealt with the aurora GTK engine?  i installed the bz2 from gnome-look.org, but i still get the "you need aurora for this theme to look the way it should" error in appearance
[04:00] <Mack> is it jsut killall
[04:00] <Mack> or theres a better way
[04:00] <lstarnes> Mack: ctrl+D
[04:01] <Mack> lstarnes: its not in no backround tho
[04:01] <zeromod> Greetings all
[04:01] <lstarnes> Mack: that works in foreground
[04:01] <zeromod> Any server gurus here? lol
[04:01] <metalforever> not a guru
[04:01] <Bob_Dole> Don't ask that sort of question, just ask the question
[04:01] <metalforever> bubut whats up
[04:01] <lstarnes> Mack: it sends an End-Of-File to the telnet client, causing it to end the connection
[04:02] <Mack> is it ok if i bring my eggdrop here to test it?
[04:02] <psycoborg> no
[04:02] <Mack> lstarnes: i meant quit eggdrop
[04:02] <lstarnes> Mack: not here.  Create your own channel for it
[04:02] <tzanger> hmm, which event.d/ script is run on initial boot?
[04:02] <Mack> k
[04:02] <Mack> ill just use irc.mackgoodstein.net then
[04:02] <zeromod> Was trying to break the ice Bob and not come in and start popping off questions, it's rude in some culture.
[04:02] <lstarnes> Mack: the safest way to kill it would probably be via a command sent to it through dcc or telnet
[04:02] <Mack> lstarnes: ok
[04:02] <lstarnes> tzanger: rc-default
[04:02] <tzanger> i.e. I know that the system starts at runlevel 2, but grub does not pass this along in any way to the kernel, so how does the kernel start init and tell it that runlevel 2 is the one that's desired?
[04:02] <zeromod> Was just wondering if anyone could lend some advice on how to access local shares on a ubuntu server I have setup
[04:03] <tzanger> dammit, right in front of my eyes, I did not see that file
[04:03] <tzanger> thanks :-)
[04:05] <Mack> ok one last thing
[04:05] <Mack> where do i set my admin user/pass?
[04:05] <metalforever> admin.
[04:05] <metalforever> user settings
[04:05] <Mack> telnet asks me for it
[04:05] <metalforever> unlock
[04:05] <Mack> k
[04:05] <metalforever> choose root, type a password.
[04:06] <metalforever> im kinda eyeballing this in my head though because im not actually using ubuntu.
[04:06] <metalforever> make sure you tell me if you got it
[04:06] <zeromod> I have a badger server running on an old duron and it has a second drive on it that is an ntfs partition. I would like to be able to access the files there and copy them to a local machine via ssh. Or even just access them and burn them using the command line I would be fine with that. I am ssh into that box now and was wondering if someone could help walk me through locating the ntfs drive and mounting the drive and getting read
[04:06] <Mack> oh well i give up on this stuff
[04:06] <Mack> time for somethign more productive
[04:06] <Mack> GARAGEBAND :D
[04:07] <Jamed> zeromod: sudo fdisk -l
[04:07] <zeromod> have don't think it lists that drive though
[04:07] <zeromod> sec output
[04:07] <Jamed> it does
[04:07] <zeromod> Disk /dev/sdc: 62 MB, 62128128 bytes
[04:07] <zeromod> 8 heads, 32 sectors/track, 474 cylinders
[04:07] <zeromod> Units = cylinders of 256 * 512 = 131072 bytes
[04:08] <zeromod> thats my flash drive
[04:08] <zeromod> has a little flash card in it and it's finding that
[04:08] <Mack> lstarnes: damn i forgot my pw
[04:08] <zeromod> there is a second 40gb drive though that isn't listed
[04:08] <Mack> how many guesses i get?
[04:08] <lstarnes> Mack: which password?
[04:08] <Mack> eggdrop
[04:08] <Mack> im in telnet now
[04:08] <Mack> trying to get in
[04:09] <lstarnes> Mack: I would assume infinite.  There might be a way to remove or purge the database manually
[04:09] <Mack> i am in the database
[04:09] <Jamed> zeromod: if the hd is not broken fdisk should list it
[04:09] <Mack> i just dont no how to create a new one, and idk wut hash it uses to change it
[04:09] <zeromod> def not broken ill try again
[04:09] <lstarnes> Mack: it might be in the config somewhere
[04:10] <zeromod> ahh sudo lol
[04:10] <zeromod> im so out of touch
[04:10] <neogizmo> hola
[04:10] <Mack> nothing on hash in the config
[04:10] <Mack> ill assume md5
[04:10] <Mack> how do i md5 in ubuntu :P
[04:10] <neogizmo> alguien sabe como sincronizar un nokia 3500 con evolution????
[04:10] <Mack> ill use osx for this :P
[04:10] <zeromod> ok so now i see my dev , if mem serves me correct. I need to mkdir in mnt name it the dev/hd* and then mount that correct?
[04:10] <lstarnes> !es | neogizmo
[04:11] <SetiAmon> j #kubuntu
[04:11] <Kira> wow, I'm such a noob with KDE...
[04:11] <zeromod> that sounded very yucky and non technical lol
[04:11] <Jamed> mkdir any dir you want
[04:11] <zeromod> ok
[04:11] <Jamed> then sudo mount /dev/sdXY /any/dir
[04:11] <Kira> So I installed kde and xinit on my Jaunty server, using aptitude
[04:12] <SetiAmon> Kira:I JUST DID THAT
[04:12] <SetiAmon> this is my first session with KDE
[04:12] <zeromod> gotcha /dev/sdXY being my drive with the ntfs and then ls the dir "anydir" that I make and that will be the contents of the drive correct?
[04:12] <Kira> I can't find the file manager, the shell, and the package manager when I log into KDE.
[04:13] <Jamed> yes
[04:13] <zeromod> awesome thanks for the refresher jamed it's been sitting there since I installed breezy on release and i just want to back the files up and then I'm going to open it up for the server to use :)
[04:13] <robinp> i just installed XP and now the kubuntu installer doesn't recognise the partition - what do I need to do to fix this ?
[04:13] <Jamed> np zeromod
[04:14] <SetiAmon> Kira:I'm trying to figure out everything also
[04:14] <Iron_Chef> howdy
[04:15] <Iron_Chef> how can i use apt to downgrade to a previous version?
[04:15] <robdig> !downgrade | Iron_Chef
[04:15] <zeromod> jamed still there?
[04:15] <Jamed> yeah
[04:15] <ajax4> Hey guys...I just ran the update-manager to update all my packages. It installed a bunch of security updates, including some new kernels...but now it boots straight into the grub> prompt and I get no boot menu. Why is this happening?
[04:15] <Iron_Chef> robdig, not the whole OS, just an application
[04:15] <zeromod> need to specify a filesystem type for mount. so sudo mount -ntfs /dev/hdetc ?
[04:15] <lstarnes> zeromod: -t ntfs
[04:16] <zeromod> awesome thanks lstarnes
[04:16] <Iron_Chef> I need to use eclipse 3.0 and apt installs 3.2 by default
[04:16] <lstarnes> zeromod: also, man mount
[04:16] <Iron_Chef> there are no books on 3.2 yet :-P
[04:16] <boss_mc> zeromod: -t ntfs-3g (for read write capabilities)
[04:16] <zeromod> I know im lazy :P
[04:17] <zeromod> more flags? lol ok
[04:17] <robdig> Iron_Chef: i think you would have to remove current version, and then install previous version if still in repos...not sure if there is any other way
[04:18] <voss> ajax choose the previous kernel in boot menu
[04:18] <a-stray-cat> any recommendations for a good torrent app?
[04:18] <ajax4> voss: I get no boot menu at all. It boots straight to "grub>" prompt and I don't know what to do.
[04:18] <steele> transmission worked for me
[04:18] <Storm_Bug> some one play mod-x
[04:19] <psycoborg> ktorrent?
[04:19] <voss> which version?
[04:19] <zeromod> a-stray-kat gnome or kde?
[04:19] <steele> hey i uhh installed aurora from the package gnome-look.org gave me, but appearance settings still gives me an error saying i need it, and parts of my theme arent the way they should be, anyone dealt with this before?
[04:19] <zeromod> actually
[04:19] <zeromod> vuze is decent
[04:19] <macabredarkhour> is there anyone that is willing to help with an internet connection issue?
[04:20] <lstarnes> macabredarkhour: that depends on what the issue is
[04:20] <tzanger> hmm interesting
[04:20] <ajax4> voss: The version of on the system was 8.04
[04:20] <tzanger> rc-default will invoke "telinit S" if single is seen on the kernel command line
[04:20] <macabredarkhour> internet works fine if its the only pc plugged into network..i plug another in and they all work but it doesnt
[04:20] <AdemoS> I'm thinking about buying the Epson Perfection 4490, but I want to know if it will work out of the box. This thread gives instructions to follow, but it's for an older version of Ubuntu. ------------- So I was wondering if the process for this scanner has been simplied to plug-and-play yet.
[04:20] <bullgard4> man ifup: "bring a network interface up." Does this include a wireless network interface?
[04:20] <Storm_Bug> back track 4 is   kubuntu, or not
[04:20] <tzanger> however the debian system admin docs suggest against using 'S" for single user mode, preferring instead to use '1'
[04:21] <burvowski> as far as performance goes, do either rhythmbox or banshee have an advantage over the other?
[04:21] <voss> ajax does apt-get work/
[04:21] <AdemoS> oh the "Epson Perfection 4490" is a scanner
[04:21] <robdig> bullgard4: yes
[04:21] <ajax4> voss: Nope, I don't get any kind of BASH prompt, it puts me straight to the grub prompt ("grub>")
[04:22] <zeromod> Ok so the -t ntfs flag properly specifies the filesytem type to mount a local ntfs drive however adding -3g produces the error "invalid option --3"
[04:22] <lstarnes> macabredarkhour: are you using a router?
[04:22] <zeromod> man speaks of gid is this the g?
[04:22] <macabredarkhour> yes
[04:22] <lstarnes> macabredarkhour: it's either a bug in the router, or two computers trying to use the same IP
[04:22] <macabredarkhour> the internet worked fine with both pc's when they both had windows
[04:22] <Jamed> burvowski: i don't think so, try moc if you really need performance
[04:23] <burvowski> Jamed thanks
[04:23] <Storm_Bug> mount -t ntfs-3g
[04:23] <Kira> SetiAmon: I wonder if I just have to install kubuntu-desktop from aptitude in order to get pretty much the same things as the regular Kubuntu.
[04:24] <zeromod> storm bug could my version of mount be dated? i am trying  mount -t ntfs -3g /dev/hdca1/ /home/zeromod/hermes/
[04:24] <voss> anyone have an idea on ajax'es problem
[04:24] <zeromod> i can mount it to hermes without the additional -3g flags
[04:24] <Bob_Dole> Kira, I did that with ubuntu(going from xubuntu to ubuntu) Not a perfect transition when I did.
[04:24] <^cheeky> hi, i just installed the latest ubuntu but strange thing happened i tried to install Virtual box and i did the installation of dkms but towards the end it asks me if i should delete old vboxdrv kernal modules? how could this be coz its a fresh install of ubuntu 9.04
[04:24] <Jamed> zeromod: no space between ntfs and -3g
[04:24] <Bob_Dole> Mostly yes, but it didn't replace -all- the xubuntu art :/
[04:25] <Jamed> zeromod: -f ntfs-3g
[04:25] <Bob_Dole> (still starts saying xubuntu)
[04:25] <zeromod> thought that too but then it says "invalid filesystem ntfs-3g"
[04:25] <a-stray-cat> gnome, sorry was folding laundry :X
[04:25] <Kira> Bob_Dole: I just want a workable KDE environment on my Jaunty server that I can use whenever I feel extremely lazy.
[04:25] <Jamed> zeromod: maybe this needs some extra package i'm not sure...
[04:25] <Storm_Bug> mount -t ntfs-3g
[04:25] <zeromod> can my mount be dated?>
[04:25] <Storm_Bug> -o force
[04:25] <Bob_Dole> Kira, then yeah, It'll work.
[04:26] <zeromod> its is a breezy badger server lol
[04:26] <Storm_Bug> in the end
[04:26] <dhruvasagar> Hi everyone!
[04:26] <zeromod> ill try that bug
[04:26] <dhruvasagar> wassup??
[04:26] <voss> grub> kernel /boot/ try that
[04:26] <dhruvasagar> hey does anybody use guake?
[04:27] <Jamed> -o force can't replace a non existing file system driver
[04:27] <zeromod> tried to force and it's already mounted, tried to umount and it's busy lol looks like a reboot is needed
[04:28] <kalsriv> hi
[04:28] <zeromod> thats what i was thinking but im the one asking so not gonna argue lol. I'll look into it and see if perhaps mount can be updated it's a rather old distro.
[04:28] <kellyh> zeromod: you can find out whats using it with lsof (iirc)
[04:28] <Jamed> zeromod: better use -o force,ro to make sure you don't damage the fs
[04:28] <kalsriv> hi folks I got another question
[04:28] <kalsriv> I got one USB based TV tuner
[04:28] <kalsriv> it is not hauppauge
[04:29] <Jamed> zeromod: forcing can be dangerous
[04:29] <zeromod> I'm not crazy about the force flag so im gonna skip that
[04:29] <kalsriv> how to make it run on jaunty
[04:29] <zeromod> should be able to do this without the -o
[04:29] <zeromod> i agree
[04:30] <zeromod> only thing I could think of is that mount is dated? I assume that's what would have the heaviest hand in this working or not, but it mounts it just fine without the -3g added to ntfs
[04:30] <zeromod> I don't see 3g in man only a gid reference. Is anyone familiar if it's really needed for read write of ntfs mount?
[04:30] <kellyh> zeromod: might well be the kernel outdated rather than mount
[04:30] <metalsilo> !ndure
[04:30] <zeromod> oh i hope not I don't feel like building a kernel tonight lol
[04:31] <zeromod> ntfs access isn't that new though
[04:31] <Jamed> zeromod: i think 3g only gives you better write support
[04:31] <kalsriv> anyone got answer?
[04:31] <metalsilo> Anyone heard about ndure... its the xbox softmod thing..  if not  Is it possible to put linux onto my exbox through ubuntu?
[04:31] <Jamed> zeromod: but i'm not sure...
[04:31] <bullgard4> robdig: Thank you for answering.
[04:31] <lstarnes> zeromod: ntfs-3g is implemented using fuse, so it runs as a separate program instead of part of mount
[04:31] <zeromod> wow frigging sshd died it didn't like me doing that lol
[04:31] <robdig> bullgard4: np
[04:32] <zeromod> so ill skip the -3g flag
[04:32] <metalsilo> !xbox
[04:32] <zeromod> I probably don't have fuse then
[04:32] <Storm_Bug> mount -t etc***** etc**** ntfs-3f 0 0 force
[04:32] <zeromod> it's a minimal breezy server install
[04:32] <lstarnes> zeromod: -3g isn't a flag
[04:32] <lstarnes> zeromod: it's part of its name
[04:32] <Bllasae> isn't it illegal to mod your xbox?
[04:32] <lstarnes> zeromod: you might need to install it
[04:32] <metalsilo> why would it be?
[04:32] <Jamed> Bllasae: no
[04:32] <lstarnes> Bllasae: it might violate the warranty
[04:32] <kalsriv> hi does anyone got answer to my question
[04:33] <metalsilo> is does violat the warrenty
[04:33] <metalsilo> still wnat to do it
[04:33] <kalsriv> i want to run a tv tuner that is usb
[04:33] <Bllasae> it's illegal to mod it, and then use it online, though, right?
[04:33] <metalsilo> guess il have to google it
[04:33] <lstarnes> Bllasae: no
[04:33] <lstarnes> Bllasae: it's not illegal
[04:33] <lstarnes> Bllasae: but it may break terms of use
[04:33] <Jamed> i have to go now. good luck zeromod :)
[04:34] <zeromod> thanks jamed ill get it :)
[04:34] <Bllasae> so it's "illegal"
[04:34] <tzanger> it's not illegal
[04:34] <R1cochet> is there an app similar to k9copy but for gtk?
[04:34] <bullgard4> What does it mean if the green LED of my NETGEAR wireless PC card WG511 lights?   SIlly argument
[04:34] <tzanger> Bllasae: yes, but that is not illegal
[04:34] <marco00> heh my screens
[04:34] <marco00> :)
[04:34] <Bllasae> alright
[04:35] <tzanger> zeromod: xbox makes a great mythtv frontend
[04:35] <RHorse> bullgard4 my DWL-G630 hasn't had working led's in years - it works fine
[04:35] <tzanger> zeromod: I don't play games at all on mine
[04:35] <zeromod> xbox360?
[04:35] <metalsilo> regular
[04:35] <tzanger> it is there simply to give a cheap SDTV frontend in the basement
[04:35] <tzanger> zeromod: no, original xbox
[04:35] <yaris123456789> hey im trying to get a dedicated server...is debian 4 similiar to ubuntu? ease of use ? or should i use centos 4....
[04:35] <zeromod> that's a different story then. I say f'em mod it
[04:35] <tzanger> xbox360 has some other interesting things to play with when modded, but yes, it's an expensive toy
[04:36] <lstarnes> yaris123456789: ubuntu is derived from debian
[04:36] <metalsilo> would a locked drive matter to ubuntu?
[04:36] <tzanger> IIRC you can mod an xbox360 to get a blueray key so you can play the blueray disks you own on your linux box.
[04:36] <velcroshooz> yaris123456789, debian is up to 5 now btw
[04:36] <soreau> ! jaunty
[04:36] <zeromod> I loved the dc myself it has a ton of cool stuff to tinker with
[04:36] <yaris123456789> what is software raid 0/1, hardware 0/1
[04:36] <zeromod> but nds has the best homebrew community imho
[04:36] <tzanger> zeromod: I have a homebrew'd wii
[04:36] <tzanger> although I really avhent' the time to play with it
[04:36] <soreau> ! torrents
[04:36] <tzanger> the kids mainly play it :-)
[04:36] <yaris123456789> Atom servers any good ?
[04:36] <XPS_M1330> does anyone have experience with ieee1394 (firewire) ports&
[04:37] <zeromod> I will say this though, the dev of ndslinux is a tool. Waay full of himself
[04:37] <bullgard4> RHorse: My concern is different: I have no reason to believe that they are malfunctioning.
[04:37] <R1cochet> is there a gtk based app similar to k9copy?
[04:37] <zeromod> congrats buddy you can run sash on a portable. You can run sash on a friggin toaster
[04:37] <velcroshooz> R1cochet, run k9copy under gnome .. .unless you dont want to install all the kde libraries for it
[04:37] <Storm_Bug> tem algum Brasileiro aqui
[04:37] <ajax4> voss: Didn't work. I tried some other stuff I looked up on the web but nothing works.
[04:38] <robdig> !br | Storm_Bug
[04:38] <metalsilo> If i got my xbox hd unlocked could i throw ubuntu to it and it would run?
[04:38] <kellyh> modded Xboxs make good XBMC machines :)
[04:39] <kellyh> metalsilo: no. you'd need to relock it for the xbox bios to see it
[04:39] <bujin> .linux.org
[04:39] <Storm_Bug> xbox is a trash
[04:39] <R1cochet>  velcroshooz no i dont want to dl kde libraries if i dont have to. but would like an app tha will allow me to choose which titles to copy.
[04:39] <Storm_Bug> good is a radeon 4870
[04:39] <metalsilo> kellyh: well if i unlocked it i can lock it back
[04:39] <RHorse> bullgard4 different drivers will light the leds differently if at all. All my cards light up differently depending on what puter they're in and what router they connect to. I wouldn't put too much stock in the lights.
[04:39] <voss> ajax, you dont even get the grub "hit esc"
[04:40] <robdig> yaris123456789: raid 0 is striping across disks, doesn't give you any redundancy. raid 1 is mirroring. hardware/software is how it is implemented, hardware is faster and more expensive
[04:40] <bujin> hi
[04:40] <kellyh> metalsilo: yep, though doubt ubuntu would run on it
[04:41] <bullgard4> RHorse: Ah! An interesting observation. I will keep that in mind.
[04:41] <metalsilo> Im looking at a software right now... thats linux based. http://www.instructables.com/id/EAKTMMWOBCEWT1KBJW/
[04:41] <yaris123456789> robdig: what if i dont use raid....will it hurt performance
[04:41] <metalsilo> possible xbox crack there
[04:41] <bujin> i have a question i have a webcam and everything is working fine I just want to know whats the path to the device where my cam is installed
[04:41] <kellyh> software raid is slower and more cpu intensive, but it has the advantage of being controller/chipset agnostic
[04:41] <RHorse> bullgard4 just get a dwl-g630 or dwl-g650 - guaranteed.
[04:41] <kellyh> metalsilo: been a while since i looked at xbox modding, i just use XBMC and nothing else pretty much
[04:42] <robdig> yaris123456789: depends on what you are doing, but for most people it won't hurt performance. raid 1 does give you safety of not loosing your data if a disk goes bad...
[04:42] <metalsilo> well if i could eeven get that on their... its linux based right?
[04:42] <metalsilo> kellyh:  ^^
[04:42] <bujin> how can i know whats is the device path where my webcam is installed?
[04:42] <kellyh> metalsilo: no dont think so
[04:42] <metalsilo> ehhh... :?
[04:43] <yaris123456789> robdig: well i am writing lot of files
[04:43] <yaris123456789> robdig: several million files
[04:43] <bullgard4> RHorse: I do not understand your last message as it is no Standard English.
[04:43] <metalsilo> haha i just got a bug in mid air
[04:43] <velcroshooz> theyve got xbmc for linux but originally it was for the xboxes
[04:43] <kellyh> metalsilo: it runs as an XBOX application, its not Linux as far as i know
[04:43] <zeromod> got quiet
[04:43] <zeromod> or I didn't scroll lol
[04:43] <kellyh> velcroshooz: for Linux, Windows, OS X as well as XBOX
[04:43] <jaypur_mb> ZeroBeholder, watchin ufc :)
[04:43] <velcroshooz> Si
[04:44] <metalsilo> kellyh: well thanks to what ive been doing my dashboard wont open anymore its sitting right now with the xbox logo and microsoft under it
[04:44] <RHorse> bullgard4 a little less lip and a little more work might get it going for you.
[04:44] <zeromod> jaypur watching the grudge match with hughes?
[04:44] <R1cochet> is there a feature rich alternative to k9copy?
[04:44] <metalsilo> kellyh: what could that mean?
[04:44] <kellyh> metalsilo: best ask on a xbox forum
[04:45] <kellyh> yaris123456789: are these small or large files? cos that makes a difference as to what filesystem on top of the raid you use
[04:46] <bullgard4> RHorse: :-)
[04:46] <robdig> yaris123456789: hmm...so are you backing these up all the time? if so, raid 0 may give you a boost, but i'm not an expert here. if not backing up, i'd think about raid 1 or 5
[04:46] <kellyh> obviously also, the speed of the drives and interface make a big difference, SCSI will always be faster than IDE etc
[04:47] <Shivam> I'm trying to download/install GIMP 2.6 through terminal and its telling me permission denied
[04:47] <robdig> Shivam: did you use sudo?
[04:47] <Shivam> 1 minute
[04:48] <Shivam> hah thanks
[04:48] <robdig> Shivam: np, good luck
[04:49] <yaris123456789> kellyh: fairly small 50~100kb each file
[04:50] <Kira> What's the proper way to start the dolphin file manager with root privileges?
[04:50] <Kira> "kdesudo dolphin"?
[04:50] <RHorse> gksudo
[04:50] <XPS_M1330> what's a module and how can I load it?
[04:52] <gymophett> Anyone here using Crunchbang?
[04:52] <WIGGMPk> Can anyone solve why Brasero keeps failing to burn DVD images. Here is the log: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d12458c2b
[04:52] <bazhang> !ot | gymophett
[04:52] <zeromod> lol
[04:52] <XPS_M1330> !firewire
[04:52] <zeromod> sorry gymophett that was funny
[04:52]  * zeromod enters room
[04:52] <robdig> XPS_M1330: a module is similar to a driver. you can use insmod to load them. be aware, you can kill your system if not careful
[04:52] <gymophett> zeromod: haha, its fine. but Crunchbang is Ubuntu. :P
[04:52] <zeromod> hey anyone here use xp
[04:53] <zeromod> :P
[04:53] <Bllasae> i do
[04:53] <zeromod> not really
[04:53] <bazhang> gymophett, no its not. not supported here.
[04:53] <XPS_M1330> damn!
[04:53] <zeromod> that's like saying ubuntu is debian
[04:53] <Bllasae> i dual-boot Ubuntu and XP
[04:53] <robdig> XPS_M1330: well, freeze is probably a better word than kill
[04:53] <zeromod> was a joke bllasae but thanks
[04:53] <Bllasae> oh
[04:53] <XPS_M1330> oh that ain't so bad
[04:53] <Bllasae> no problem, anyways
[04:53] <XPS_M1330> I need to load raw1394 to get the firewire port working
[04:54] <jasonmchristos> does anyone have any idea why my wireless would work out of the box on jaunty then later just quit working, presario c760
[04:54] <gymophett> bazhang: how so? Crunchbang uses everything Ubuntu does, same repos, etc. If I said I have Ubuntu with OpenBox are you going to tell me it's not supported?
[04:54] <zeromod> could be a number of things jason what does ifconfig show you?
[04:54] <robdig> XPS_M1330: modprobe is probably a better choice :) my memory must be failing
[04:54] <gymophett> ...
[04:54] <bazhang> gymophett, correct. there is a crunchbang channel for support. Ubuntu-based is not ubuntu
[04:55] <zeromod> like debian based is not debian
[04:55] <gymophett> bazhang: in that case, I'm running Ubuntu with OpenBox, so I supported.
[04:55] <gymophett> Whats the Crunchbang channel then?
[04:55] <thiebaude> gymophett, me too
[04:56] <gymophett> thiebaude: you use crunch too? or openbox with UBuntu?
[04:56] <thiebaude> openbox
[04:56] <bazhang> #crunchbang gymophett
[04:56] <zeromod> bet they have a website
[04:56] <gymophett> bazhang: thanks.
[04:56] <XPS_M1330> FATAL: Error inserting raw1394 (/lib/modules/2.6.27-14-generic/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:56] <gymophett> thiebaude: I don't see why people thing Ubuntu using openbox and Crunchbang are different?
[04:57] <bazhang> XPS_M1330, sudo modprobe module-name
[04:57] <gymophett> Crunchbang is just Ubuntu preconfigured for Openbox.
[04:57] <XPS_M1330> bazhang:  it doesn't display anything
[04:57] <thiebaude> gymophett, i'll have to check it out
[04:58] <zeromod> regardless it's not the same distro.
[04:58] <XPS_M1330> void
[04:58] <XPS_M1330> emptyness
[04:58] <XPS_M1330> you would think when you buy a computer with an OS preinstalled all it's components would work out of the box
[04:59] <gymophett> thiebaude: its really nice... I didn't like OpenBox when trying to install it on Ubuntu because you had to do tons of installing an configuring of things.
[04:59] <bazhang> gymophett, please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:59] <gymophett> zeromod: guess you are right, but... I just don't see a difference.
[04:59] <gymophett> bazhang: leaving.
[04:59] <thiebaude> gymophett, i still have my ubuntu menus on ubuntu 9.04
[04:59] <zeromod> yep
[04:59] <zeromod> not a minimal install by default lots of changes
[05:00] <luddite> oh i see no need for irc #ubuntu anymore. windows xp with blackbox shell ;-)
[05:00] <luddite> bye
[05:00] <robdig> XPS_M1330: if no error, then it worked
[05:00] <zeromod> blackbox shell lolz
[05:00] <zeromod> you can paint a gremlin fire engine orange and chrome it up, but its still a gremlin.
[05:01] <gymophett> thiebaude: what are you talking about? :P
[05:01] <XPS_M1330> what worked?
[05:01] <thiebaude> gymophett, wow, im using 83mb out of 512mb in openbox on ubuntu
[05:01] <XPS_M1330> isn't modprobe supposed to display info about a module?
[05:02] <robdig> XPS_M1330: depends on your usage of it. it can install, list, remove, etc.
[05:02] <zeromod> yeah you can use it for example to see if your nvidia drivers are running correctly
[05:02] <gymophett> thiebaude: I have 3GB of ram, so OpenBox isn't really needed for me or anything, I just love it. :)
[05:02] <XPS_M1330> I don't have nvidia
[05:02] <zeromod> just an example
[05:03] <XPS_M1330> but I do have a firewire port that doesn't work
[05:04] <zeromod> port itself or a device on it?
[05:05] <william7> Can someone please help me with a PPP connection?     when I do a  "ifconfig"  I keep getting   inet addr: 10.x.x.x (valid IP)   and  P-t-P: <IP_ADDRESS>       I don't understand what's going wrong, but I think I can't do anything online due to the169.x.x.x address ....
[05:05] <thiebaude> sebsebseb, you here
[05:06] <zeromod> ppp or pppoe?>
[05:06] <pilif12p> Hi.
[05:06] <XPS_M1330> ZeroBeholder:  port itself
[05:06] <william7> zeromod:  well, I'm using   "pon"  to intiate the  pppd call... so I think ppp    (it's a mobile phone bluetooth connection.... )
[05:06] <XPS_M1330> well I think the software doesn't work
[05:06] <disismt> Hi guys, how do I disable the NetworkManager? I renamed the script in rc5.d to start with K but still it is starting
[05:06] <j03lar50n>  	 I'm compiling easygeotagger via https://trac.biodiversityinformatics.amnh.org/projects/easygeotagger/wiki/BuildInstructions_Linux stuck on this http://mibbit.com/pb/6hkhmd
[05:07] <j03lar50n> kind of a GIS question...
[05:07] <zeromod> yeah eek that one has to go to someone more knowledgeable to be honest. PPPoe I can do all day
[05:07] <pilif12p> How do I install 9.04 NTBK Remix on my SD Card?
[05:07] <william7> zeromod:  I have the  /etc/ppp/peers   file and  /etc/chatscripts/  file   mostly working...       Can you tell me what the diff is between PPPoe and PPP ?
[05:07] <spencer> linux rocks
[05:07] <zeromod> ethernet lol
[05:07] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone I am going to remove Vista and currently have Ubuntu installed using Wubi and I am currently booted into Ubuntu right now and want to make a backup of the important stuff so that I when I reformat and install just Ubuntu that I can get my system back to a similar state to how it is in Wubi.  Does anyone know a program or method I can use to do this? I look on google but a lot of them seem to recommend using tar w
[05:07] <fuzzybunny69y> hich will create one big file which I can't use because I am backing stuff up to a external hardrive that is using FAT so it cannot copy files that are around 30gb in size. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
[05:07] <pilif12p> Its downloaded, now, how do i get it on there
[05:07] <pilif12p> just copy it? or what?
[05:07] <zenxr> spencer: duh :p
[05:07] <sadris> Did Jaunty change the number of virtual terminals? my X server is now only visible in Ctrl+Alt+F9 instead of F7...
[05:07] <william7> zeromod:  I think the problem is focused into  LCP  (Link Control Protocol)   ....
[05:08] <spencer> I don't know what i'm doing...good bye xD
[05:08] <MarcATL> I just installed Ubuntu today myself, just installed this software actually...this is all new to me
[05:08] <spencer> checking out the apps on xubuntu
[05:08] <william7> zeromod: ok thanks for responding tho..   I'll keep trying... been at this for 4 days so far lol
[05:08] <spencer> ha ha
[05:08] <MarcATL> How do I get the sound to work?
[05:08] <spencer> see ya later
[05:08] <spencer> good luck
[05:08] <zeromod> know your pain william I'll trade you, I'm backing up an ntfs drive by hand on a breezy server lol
[05:09] <MarcATL> Ism
[05:09] <Haraken> is it possible to share my printer over the internet?  I've had it shared using a local network for a while, but I needed to move my server/desktop to a public ip.
[05:09] <binnykt> I have cairo dock in intrepid and it keeps staying above windows? soln anyone?
[05:09] <MarcATL> Is Jaunty = Ubunto 9.04?
[05:09] <FLJohn> My Freaking computer keeps rebooting when playing games
[05:10] <lstarnes> MarcATL: yes
[05:10] <pilif12p> ubottu: install 9.04 on flash
[05:10] <MarcATL> Thanks Lstanred
[05:10] <pilif12p> erm, okay...
[05:10] <pilif12p> anyone know how?
[05:10] <zenxr> Guys, i'm using nUbuntu 8.12 (ubuntu 8.10's kernel I think). I prefer wicd as my network manager and it has been working fine until about 5 hours ago. At the moment i'm manually configured with iwconfig but I'd like wicd to work again. The issue that I have is my connection stops at "obtaining IP address". It validates the authentication and everything. I'm not 100% sure what the issue is with..
[05:10] <thiebaude> !usb
[05:10] <pilif12p> okay
[05:10] <MarcATL> I want to install a new theme XGL/ Compiz...how do I go about doint that?
[05:10] <zenxr> Can anybody help? the encryption type is WEP
[05:10] <MarcATL> Also...I want to install Flash...how do I do that?
[05:10] <pilif12p> can i just do it on an SD card?
[05:10] <zeromod> john that sounds like an overheated video card
[05:10] <thiebaude> !flash
[05:11] <FLJohn> Flash did not work right for me in 9.04 so I reverted back to 8.04 this AM
[05:11] <zeromod> or stressing the power supply.
[05:11] <FLJohn> zeromod
[05:11] <pilif12p> i get this error when i try to install
[05:11] <pilif12p> E: Couldn't find package usb-creator
[05:11] <MarcATL> Thanks Ubotto...will check it out
[05:11] <zeromod> John do you have a dedicated video card?
[05:11] <robdig> disismt: what i did was edit the file /etc/init.d/NetworkManager and put an exit 0 in it up at the top
[05:11] <thiebaude> MarcATL, i just goto the adobe website and download the .deb for flash
[05:11] <FLJohn> zeromod: that sucks cause its intergrated
[05:11] <zenxr> MarcATL: ubotto is a bot..
[05:12] <zeromod> well that might explain it
[05:12] <zeromod> is it only when gaming?>
[05:12] <MarcATL> how do I install the DEB file?
[05:12] <MarcATL> this is all new to me
[05:12] <MarcATL> how does it work?
[05:12] <lstarnes> MarcATL: double-click on it
[05:12] <zenxr> ffs.
[05:12] <thiebaude> MarcATL, just click on it and it installs automatically
[05:12] <pilif12p> so, how do i correct this error? E: Couldn't find package usb-creator
[05:12] <FLJohn> Its was a bearbones from visionman
[05:12] <bullgard4> What does it mean if the green LED of my NETGEAR wireless PC card WG511 lights? What does it mean if the amber LED of my NETGEAR wireless PC card WG511 lights?
[05:12] <zeromod> integrated cards aren't geared toward enthusiast gaming. However it may not be the card. I would suggest grabbing a live cd of linux and running memtest just to be safe. however memory failure often would cause issues even if you weren't gaming.
[05:13] <FLJohn> zeromod: yes it is only when gaming
[05:13] <pilif12p> im not good with OS, but i am good with Firefox
[05:13] <lstarnes> MarcATL: or enter a terminal and use sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[05:13] <zeromod> the longer you run memtest the better. But im willing to bet you get a real card and youd be ok
[05:13] <thiebaude> MarcATL, or visit a website that requires flash, just like in XP
[05:13] <owen1> i just connected a second monitor. how do i tell ubuntu to display stuff on it?
[05:13] <lstarnes> pilif12p: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:13] <j03lar50n> stuck on this http://mibbit.com/pb/6hkhmd anyone have any ideas?
[05:13] <zeromod> just make sure if its a high end card that you  have a power supply to match. Thats beyond the scope of this tutorial though *wink*
[05:13] <FLJohn> thanks zeromod,  I have another system here.  I will add memory to this and see what happens.  I am not a gamer
[05:13] <pilif12p> lstarnes: im using 8.04
[05:14] <zeromod> john
[05:14] <FLJohn> Yes?
[05:14] <zeromod> out of curiousity is it a laptop?
[05:14] <FLJohn> no
[05:14] <zeromod> what game and what kind of integrated card>?
[05:14] <lstarnes> pilif12p: usb-creator is not in the official repos for 8.04
[05:14] <zeromod> this isnt' really ubuntu related but ill swing
[05:14] <lstarnes> pilif12p: it is for 8.10 and 9.04
[05:14] <pilif12p> Oh
[05:14] <FLJohn> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4360083&CatId=332
[05:15] <FLJohn> that is the system
[05:15] <zeromod> verbatim>?
[05:15] <keshik> does anyone know of a piece of software that can monitor if a server is up?  as in, a tool that constantly pings and gives a green light when a ping is returned, red when it times out?  I've had quite a few on windows...
[05:15] <nellmathew> hey guys, how do i install spumux? (i did apt-get install dvdauthor), i'm trying to add subtitles to a mpeg2 i made with ffmpeg..
[05:15] <thiebaude> FLJohn, nice looking
[05:16] <Xpistos> Hey everybody. I need a little guidance. When I logging to Ubuntu intrepid, I get a prompt that the nm-applet can hit the default keyring and asks me for the password. When I look at Encryption and Keyrings there is now default key that I can choose. Any Suggestions?
[05:16] <WIGGMPk> Can anyone solve why Brasero keeps failing to burn DVD images. Here is the log: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d12458c2b
[05:16] <metalsilo> Im just guessing but a hard drive subject to an eletrical shock might as well be considered toast... especialy since its an exbox drive??? (it still runns and still reads and writes
[05:16] <FLJohn> Thans thiebaude.  I installed a 30 gig Solid state drive and this thing boogies
[05:16] <BattleToadz> sup
[05:16] <thiebaude> FLJohn, less than 500 bucks not bad
[05:16] <eseven73> keshik, webmin can email you when a service goes down, like FTP, Apache, and stuff, Ubuntu doesn't support it, but it works for about 97% of the services
[05:17] <BattleToadz> i've got an issue with the automatic login in jaunty
[05:17] <zeromod> hmm well id still say stress since it's certainly no gaming card. You have pci express slot availabe grab a card for it if you are gonna game. SInce it's only when you are gaming id say thats the cause if you upgrade watch that psu though because the 12+ rails probably dont carry much since the price tag is a bit low
[05:17] <BattleToadz> had it working in intrepid, now it doesnt work in jaunty
[05:17] <eseven73> keshik, it also can play a sound, if the service goes down
[05:17] <eseven73> it's pretty neat
[05:18] <^Kiy^> okay, question time:  i have a mouse with left/right navigationn buttion, any way i can make them a global hotkey to switch between workspaces?
[05:18] <zeromod> if it starts giving you issues outside of gaming shoot me an email. I'll pm it to you it's my site.
[05:18] <GNUix> keshik: zenoss, nagios, webmin, and a simple shell script will all accomplish what you are looking for
[05:19] <nellmathew> hey guys, anyone know how do i install spumux? (i did apt-get install dvdauthor).. i'm trying to add subtitles to a mpeg2/dvd i made with ffmpeg..
[05:19] <eseven73> I couldn't get zenoss going, havent tried nagios yet. I set mine to execute a .wav (warning.wav) when FTP server goes down, and stuff :D
[05:19] <keshik> thanks for the information, eseven/gnuix - much appreciated.  I'd like to do that in addition to a "screenlet" type device on my desktop that shows basic server connectivity in addition
[05:19] <eseven73> my webmin that is
[05:19] <keshik> -in addition
[05:19] <FLJohn> thanks zeromod
[05:19] <eseven73> it's web based
[05:20] <zeromod> np shoot me a mail if you hit any hardware snags that's kind of what i do lol.
[05:20] <NavY-Seal> anyone ever had the chance to install ubuntu on a MS-6577 V2.x cant get the damn thing to start the installation i get a lot of i/o errors
[05:21] <keshik> are you talking about a script that monitors remote processes and plays a sound on my LOCAL computer when they fail?
[05:21] <tye> good evening folks.
[05:22] <dbbolton> which package contains the schumacher clean font?
[05:22] <byte^> Where is application data typically stored in Ubuntu? Is it generally on the home directory, hidden... does it vary often or what?
[05:22] <eseven73> keshik, well I have it set up to monitor localhost, and the sound is local too, ummmm im not sure if it's able to do remote
[05:22] <robdig> bullgard4: did you get an answer to your question on WG511 lights?
[05:22] <byte^> Or, another words, if I wanted to back up application data in Linux, how would I do it.
[05:22] <Bllasae> in other* words?
[05:22] <keshik> e7: thanks for the tip, i'll check it out
[05:22] <slestak> anyone using kvm + bridged network succesfully with python-vmbuilder?
[05:22] <byte^> In other words.
[05:22] <byte^> I'm a bit tired.
[05:22] <eseven73> np
[05:23] <Bllasae> lol
[05:23] <byte^> Is it generally hidden in the home/user directory?
[05:23] <dbbolton> byte^ yes. a period followed by the program name
[05:23] <eseven73> byte^, yeah most of your configurations are going to be hidden in /home
[05:24] <byte^> Alright, cool, another question then...
[05:24] <bullgard4> robdig: In another IRC channel a helpful man hinted me a link to a manual. I am just downloading it. Let me see if it includes the answer that I was looking for.
[05:24] <dsdeiz> is 3ddesk still available in ubuntu? :S
[05:24] <byte^> If I was to, say, copy this data of a ext3 partition onto a NTFS partition for backup, and then had to later retrieve it back onto the ext3, would anything be affected?
[05:24] <robdig> bullgard4: if not, steady green means connected. blinking green means trying to connect, but unable to do so. amber on/blinking means connected/data transfer in progress. amber off means no data being transferred
[05:24] <byte^> I mean, the data is the same although the partition is formatted differently, right?
[05:24] <matt098> Hello, dose anyone have an ati radeon hd 4870 and has the new ati 9.5 drivers working on intrepid or janty???
[05:24] <slestak> im following the howto's from several sources, checking faqs, ubuntu forums.  kvm + bridged host seems to be a nogo
[05:25] <robdig> bullgard4: ok. i found an online manual too...good luck
[05:25] <matt098> also with the option to adjust fan speed?
[05:25] <bullgard4> robdig: Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it.
[05:25] <robdig> bullgard4: page 3-11 :)
[05:25] <robdig> bullgard4: np good luck
[05:26] <Bllasae> how come Ubuntu has to load set and configure things every time it starts up?
[05:26] <zeromod> same reason windows does.
[05:26] <Bllasae> yeah but windows does stuff where i can't see it
[05:26] <Dam0> i have aeggdrop running on ubuntu 9.04. It my works when i type ./eggdrop -n egg.conf & joins my channel  but when i try to connect it with ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf  it wont connect to a irc server and i cannot telnet to it
[05:26] <Bllasae> It always makes me think "Oh, crap. What do I do?"
[05:27] <zeromod> Bllasae it's loading the dameons services and drivers options you configured etc. same as windows. You can enable a splash screen if you prefer to be in the dark.
[05:27] <zeromod> ubuntu obscures this by default i believe unless you are running server
[05:28] <Bllasae> sweet
[05:28] <Dam0> i have aeggdrop running on ubuntu 9.04. It my works when i type ./eggdrop -n egg.conf & joins my channel  but when i try to connect it with ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf  it wont connect to a irc server and i cannot telnet to it
[05:28] <Bllasae> How do I use a splash screen?
[05:28] <zeromod> can anyone confirm that cdrecord does work over a ssh connection?
[05:28] <Flannel> !repeat | Dam0
[05:28] <Dam0> sorry
[05:28] <zeromod> Blasted server is driving me insane.
[05:29] <zeromod> bllasae are you running ubuntu?
[05:29] <Bllasae> yes
[05:29] <matt098> anyone here running an ATI RADEON HD 4870 Video Card
[05:29] <zeromod> ubuntu has a nice little logo that hides all of the jargon on boot by default.
[05:29] <Bllasae> 9.04
[05:29] <NavY-Seal> Dam0: thats an eggdrop issue not a ubuntu/linux issue
[05:29] <zeromod> are you logging into a graphical desktop. x >?
[05:30] <Bllasae> i assume so
[05:30] <Bllasae> there's a background and icons
[05:30] <zeromod> You get a desktop right?
[05:30] <zeromod> ok then yes
[05:30] <zeromod> then where are you seeing all of this then?
[05:30] <MrNaz> if i want to mount a ntfs partition on my linux OS, is there a way to get info on the partitions that exist on the disk so i can determine which partition is the one i want to load ?
[05:30] <zeromod> mrnaz
[05:30] <MrNaz> hi
[05:31] <zeromod> sec
[05:31] <Bllasae> after I press "Enter" to load Ubuntu instead of Windows
[05:31] <iter> MrNaz: fdisk -l
[05:31] <zeromod> fdisk -l then you will see ntfs
[05:31] <iter> mrnaz: or if you want gui, gparted
[05:31] <MrNaz> fdisk -l returns nothing
[05:31] <zeromod> sudo
[05:31] <zeromod> sudo fdisk -l
[05:31] <MrNaz> ah
[05:31] <MrNaz> there we go :)
[05:32] <MrNaz> thanks
[05:32] <zeromod> now the way i did this was mkdir /home/whatever
[05:32] <aliendude5300> can you guys tell me what this code does? someone told me to run it and I don't know if it's safe... but it looks suspicious.
[05:32] <felix__> c-cpp-reference isnt translated to other languajes? in ubuntu repos
[05:32] <aliendude5300> http://pastebay.com/17616
[05:32] <zeromod> then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/yourdrive/ /home/whatever/
[05:32] <XPS_M1330> I figured I can access my raw1394 module as a superuser. therefore I can capture the video from my camera by running kino using sudo kino. Is there a way I can make that module available to the user?
[05:32] <rickb> Hello, I have running a pptpd client on Ubuntu 9.04, I can setup the vpn under the network-manager, but I cannot ping other clients on the network.. Any ideas?
[05:33] <zeromod> then you can just cd to the dir you made and ls will show the ntfs files there as it is mounted
[05:33] <zeromod> im backing up an ntfs drive over ssh as we speak lol
[05:33] <MarcATL> Hey guys...anybody knows how to solve the too low volume problem on Toshiba Laptops?
[05:34] <Bllasae> as we speak, I'm attempting to play a movie
[05:34] <zeromod> speaking of mounted ntfs drives and backups. Can anyone confirm for me that cdrecord works over a ssh connection?
[05:34] <iter> why the eff would you do that
[05:34] <MarcATL> Anybody?
[05:34] <zeromod> confirm or deny
[05:35] <iter> do you mean ssh into a machine and run cdrecord?
[05:35] <iter> that will work
[05:35] <zeromod> marcatl go to properties in alsa mixer and make sure its all cranked up
[05:35] <aliendude5300> can you guys tell me what this code does? someone told me to run it and I don't know if it's safe... but it looks suspicious. http://pastebay.com/17616
[05:35] <zeromod> yeah iter
[05:35] <zethero1> is it just me or does Kubuntu seem to run a little inferior to Ubuntu ?!?
[05:35] <MarcATL> ALSA Mixer?
[05:35] <tzanger> zethero1: define inferior
[05:35] <tzanger> I love kubuntu but I'm also a KDE fan
[05:35] <MarcATL> This is my first time using Ubuntu
[05:35] <MarcATL> like, only hours
[05:35] <tzanger> MarcATL: welcome
[05:35] <MarcATL> most of which I was racking my brains trying to get my wireless to work
[05:35] <iter> tzanger, zethero1: define troll :)
[05:35] <zeromod> just right click on the volume icon at top panel marc
[05:35] <tzanger> I use ubuntu as the base system for my "intro to linux" courses
[05:35] <tzanger> iter: haha
[05:36] <tzanger> I always like to hear the arguments
[05:36] <tzanger> sometimes they're valid
[05:36] <MarcATL> I ended up running to walmart and buying an ethernet card...after hours of headbanging
[05:36] <zethero1> tzanger: Knetwork-manager .... program crashes .... installed apps not showing up in menus ....
[05:36] <tzanger> I mean KDE has its warts for sure
[05:36] <MarcATL> ethernet CORD
[05:36] <MarcATL> sorry
[05:36] <zethero1> just to start
[05:36] <zeromod> then click volume control and check that they are turned up real good
[05:36] <tzanger> zethero1: networkmanager's a piece of shit
[05:36] <tzanger> zethero1: install wicd
[05:36] <FloodBot1> tzanger: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:36] <zeromod> its not just the laptop alsa mix is about medium it seems on all installs
[05:36] <MarcATL> Is ALSA MIXER a default application that comes with Ubuntu 9.04?
[05:36] <tzanger> FloodBot1: you need to adapt your algorithm; I wasn't flooding :-)
[05:36] <zeromod> ubuntu devs want us to have good ears :)
[05:36] <zethero1> tzanger: it works well for me on all these machines in Ubuntu ... but in Kubuntu I have no end of troubles ...
[05:37] <MarcATL> tzanger?
[05:37] <zethero1> tzanger: and whats with installed apps not showing in the K-menu?
[05:37] <Bllasae> wow
[05:37] <Bllasae> my computer is too slow to play movies
[05:37] <tzanger> zethero1: yes, and again networkmanager's garbage... why they decided to totally go their own route instead of using the tried-and-true /etc/network/interfaces mode... who knows.
[05:37] <zeromod> iter were you able to confirm that for me? I'm having issues and getting confilictin info. I need to cdrecord from secure shell over local network
[05:37] <zethero1> tzanger: Why does Ubuntu run faster than Kubuntu (fresh installs)
[05:37] <Bllasae> this is just sad
[05:37] <tzanger> now it is working reasonably well and in 8.04 it worked fine in KDE, but something's busted again, I just installed wicd and I'm happy
[05:37] <zeromod> zethero cooler name
[05:37] <tzanger> zethero1: I don't have that problem
[05:38] <Heee1417> aa
[05:38] <iter> zeromod: I can definitely ssh to my workstation and run cdrecord
[05:38] <zethero1> tzanger: Why is it that I get sigfaults occuring on just abotu every machine once or twice a day?
[05:38] <tzanger> zethero1: run faster? do you have quantative data or is it just feel?
[05:38] <zeromod> crap thanks iter. then cdrecord is being a pain for me
[05:38] <zeromod> I've even rooted in
[05:38] <tzanger> zethero1: have you run memtest86?
[05:38] <XPS_M1330> wicd's not even in the repos
[05:38] <zeromod> time for a cig
[05:38] <tzanger> zeromod: I've run 9.04 since a week after its release, it's stable
[05:38] <alpery76__> zethero1: same here.. segfaults all over the place
[05:39] <zeromod> what are you talking about zanger?
[05:39] <tzanger> XPS_M1330:
[05:39] <tzanger> $ dpkg --get-selections | grep wicd
[05:39] <tzanger> wicd                                            install
[05:39] <zethero1> tzanger: I know several people who run Ubuntu and Kubuntu and they also say that Kubuntu runs a bit slower ... they say its because there are more processes running in Kubuntu
[05:39] <FloodBot1> tzanger: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:39] <tzanger> seems to be for me
[05:39] <MarcATL> tzanger: I don't seem to have this ALSA installed
[05:39] <MarcATL> Should I install it or is there some other method?
[05:39] <zethero1> alpery76__: there you go ... tzanger
[05:39] <tzanger> zethero1: funny, the number of processes is about the same
[05:39] <zeromod> oh I see, that was a joke you asked why ubuntu was faster than kubuntu. I said cooler name.
[05:39] <tzanger> I think it has more to do with plasma than anything else, but if you disable all that stuff it seems pretty zippy
[05:39] <sebmck> Hi can anyone help me with a problem im having i was just browsing the web happily and it logged off by itself and when i logged back in there was no minimize/maximize/close buttons or even that strip for a matter of a fact
[05:40] <tzanger> zeromod: there I go what?
[05:40] <alpery76__> zethero1: also epiphany-browser and pidgin crash randomly
[05:40] <dsdeiz> when i compile it says that it needs "imlib-config"
[05:40] <dsdeiz> any ideas?
[05:40] <zeromod> tzanger what are you talking about guy?
[05:40] <MarcATL> tzanger: are you still there?
[05:40] <tzanger> dsdeiz: sounds like you need imlib-config.. .quite possibly located in a package aong the lines of imlib-dev
[05:40] <tzanger> MarcATL: sure I am
[05:40] <tzanger> why are you asking me about alsa?
[05:40] <zethero1> tzanger: ha great ... Ubuntu with Desktop Effects is faster and more stable than Kubuntu without Desktop Effects ...
[05:41] <MarcATL> tzanger: you said alsa is what I need to turn up the stuff...I don't have it...now what?
[05:41] <tzanger> zethero1: ? ubuntu has *no* desktop effects installed out of the box
[05:41] <tzanger> I just did 15 fresh from cd installs last week
[05:41] <WIGGMPk> Can anyone solve why Brasero keeps failing to burn DVD images. Here is the log: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d12458c2b   Anyone???
[05:41] <zethero1> tzanger: I mean even the effects in Kubuntu are glitchy and not at all smooth
[05:41] <zethero1> tzanger: you don't know Ubuntu then ...
[05:41] <zethero1> tzanger: what are Wobbly Windows?
[05:41] <tzanger> zethero1: again, seems to work okay for me, I'm running 9.04 ubuntu upgraded to kubuntu with the xorg intel driver (now with a bleeding edge intel driver since the one in 9.04 standard is total garbage)
[05:42] <MarcATL> anybody know about XGL/Compiz?
[05:42] <sebmck> zethero1: There windows that wobble like jelly when moved.
[05:42] <tzanger> zethero1: I don't know ubuntu? how do you come to that conclusion?
[05:42] <zethero1> tzanger: I tried enabling Wobbly windows in Kubuntu Jauunty and it was not at all smooth
[05:42] <tzanger> wobbly windows? I have that specific effect installed
[05:42] <SetiAmon> Xubuntu looks like gnome,whats the difference?
[05:42] <tzanger> It makes the windows look like jellow when you move them or resize them
[05:42] <zethero1> sebmck: it was a retorical question -- ha
[05:42] <tzanger> (it also makes them a little transparent, unless that's another effect I have doing that)
[05:42] <SetiAmon> Wobbly windows?is that the jello effect when moving windows around?
[05:42] <MarcATL> tzanger: help
[05:42] <Bllasae> ubuntu ftw
[05:42] <tzanger> MarcATL: I do not know about htese things
[05:42] <zethero1> tzanger: its a desktop effect
[05:42] <tzanger> stop asking me directly
[05:42] <Bllasae> although I don't know many of the commands
[05:43] <tzanger> zethero1: did I not just explain that?
[05:43] <Bllasae> any, really, I think it's pretty cool
[05:43] <sebmck> zethero1: oh ...woops
[05:43] <MarcATL> tzanger: lol
[05:43] <zethero1> tzanger: so don't say that Ubuntu does not have any desktop effects
[05:43] <tzanger> zethero1: I said they are not enabled out of the box
[05:43] <tzanger> if yu're going to quote me, do it properly
[05:43] <zethero1> tzanger: and ?
[05:43] <zeromod> you kids want to go argue in private?
[05:43] <tzanger> in other news, my 'o' key seems sticky
[05:43] <XPS_M1330> zeromod:  I find ubuntu takes about same time to boot with gnome or KDE
[05:43] <tzanger> zeromod: sorry I am mis-tab-completing
[05:44] <zethero1> tzanger: what does that have to do with a lack of performance in Kubuntu as opposed to the performace in Ubuntu?
[05:44] <tzanger> zethero1: again, if you're going to quote me, do it properly. misquoting me and then telling me I don't know what I"m talking about based on your misquote is ... assinine.
[05:44] <zethero1> tzanger: well then explain yourself ...
[05:44] <MarcATL> I use Ubuntu 9.04 and I can't use the Desktop Effects, says something about no drivers available or something
[05:45] <tzanger> zethero1: and again, I am asking you to cite specific things, and if you've got quantative data... and you don't.  some of the things you stated are true, but don't equate to "kde sucks, gnome rocks" which is what I was asking about
[05:45] <tzanger> explain myself in what sense, exactly?
[05:45] <dsdeiz> oh mehn, i can't install 3ddesktop
[05:45] <dsdeiz> :(
[05:45] <RedSocrates> !ot | tzanger
[05:45] <dsdeiz> is it still in the repo?
[05:45] <RedSocrates> !ot | zethero1
[05:45] <SetiAmon> MarcATL: I had that also,i downloaded drivers from nvidia
[05:45] <zeromod> you need 3d accellerated drivers marc. Depends on your video card and since it's a laptop not all cards are supported by vendors or otherwise
[05:45] <zethero1> I for one am tired of hearing Kubuntu users say that Ubuntu should be terminated because of its looks ... the OS runs smooth, fast and stable ,,,, and I would rather that then a swanky looking glitchy OS
[05:45] <tzanger> MarcATL: it sounds like you need to use a driver which supports the "composite" extension
[05:46] <dsdeiz> anyone? :D
[05:46] <tzanger> the driver you're currently running does not appear to have that extension, so none of the eyecandy will work
[05:46] <MarcATL> SetiAmon: I have a Toshiba Laptop, AMD, Turion X2, ATI ?Radeon, do I still need that?
[05:46] <FLJohn> night
[05:46] <tzanger> zethero1: did I state that?
[05:46] <zeromod> dsdeiz can you compile it yourself?
[05:46] <zethero1> tzanger: I already said specifics ... and you just walk around them ...
[05:46] <dsdeiz> zeromod: i get a lot of errors
[05:46] <MarcATL> tzanger: where do I get such drivers?
[05:46] <zethero1> tzanger: no you did not ... and I did not quote you there as you might have noticed
[05:46] <tzanger> zethero1: did I state that?  honestly, if you're pissed off at kubuntu users, fine, but don't paint us all in that light
[05:46] <dsdeiz> although doing ./configure already went smoothly
[05:46] <RedSocrates> Come on guys, seriously
[05:46] <tzanger> MarcATL: depends entirely on what video card you're running
[05:46] <zeromod> probably dependencies can you give me the output in pm of what you are doing in terminal>
[05:46] <zethero1> tzanger: so I installed sound-recorder ... its not in the menu ... where is it?
[05:46] <matt098> dose ne one on use an radeon hd 4870 video carD?
[05:47] <tzanger> zethero1: I walked around them?  I said that because YOU had a specific issue doesn't mean that EVERYONE does. that's it.
[05:47] <dsdeiz> now i am having trouble doing make
[05:47] <zenxr> dsdeiz: are you doing it as root?
[05:47] <zeromod> 3ddesktop you said correct?
[05:47] <tzanger> zethero1: again, ask in #kubuntu; I am guessing there is a very simple and straightforward answer to that
[05:47] <dsdeiz> yes zeromod
[05:47] <SetiAmon> MarcATL:well you need whatever drivers for your graphics card.go on over to ATI and get it.oh wait check hardware drivers section of system->administration i belive it is in gnome
[05:47] <zethero1> tzanger: someone else here mentioned constant crashes and sigfaults as well .. did you catch that?
[05:47] <dsdeiz> yes zenxr
[05:47] <tzanger> zethero1: I certainly did not have any issues like that, and I have installed hundreds of megs of extra packages
[05:48] <tzanger> zethero1: yes I did, and I asked if they'd run memtest86.  no answer.
[05:48] <zethero1> tzanger: your the Kubuntu user and you cannot help me out here? ... I have been asking in the Kubuntu channel and nothing ...
[05:48] <Bllasae> i just made my first jigsaw puzzle that was correct
[05:48] <bullgard4> NetworkManager applet <IP_ADDRESS> > left-click shows me 3 radio network items. All three are shown with a symbol to the left of the field strength symbol. It seems to symbolize a monopole antenna radiation pattern and something unidentifiable in the lower right. What does this symbol (icon) mean?
[05:48] <zethero1> tzanger: do you install Gnome packages?
[05:48] <tzanger> zethero1: I started with ubuntu 9.04
[05:48] <tzanger> I downloaded it instead of kubuntu by accident
[05:48] <zethero1> tzanger: why would you have to run memtest?
[05:48] <arrrghhh> has anyone used/installed openchange?
[05:49] <zenxr> dsdeiz: can you post the make error?
[05:49] <zethero1> if Ubuntu works perfectly on a machine and then you put Kubuntu and get crashes ... why should you have to run memtest?
[05:49] <tzanger> zethero1: random segfaults are almost always related to memory issues. I've been using linux for close to 13 years now and in almost every instance weird/random segfaults have come down to either heat, power or bad memory.
[05:49] <arrrghhh> openchange seems to be in the repo's now.  i installed it, but i don't get what to do with it.
[05:49] <dsdeiz> zenxr: uhm, it's kinda long.. i'll put it on a pastey, 1sec
[05:50] <aliendude5300> can you guys tell me what this code does? someone told me to run it and I don't know if it's safe... but it looks suspicious. http://pastebay.com/17616
[05:50] <tzanger> zethero1: different use cases.  Why is it that a system will run perfectly fine but gcc will crash out in weird places with weird errors? that's also a very good pointer toward memory issues; it's the use case that happens to "trip" these things sometimes
[05:50] <zethero1> tzanger: well it makes no sense in my situation with 5 PC's running Linux ... and they all have issues with Kubuntu but not with Ubuntu ...
[05:50] <tzanger> zethero1: that is unusual, I will admit
[05:50] <tzanger> zethero1: I have certainly not run into that circumstance
[05:50] <zethero1> tzanger: unusual .. maybe ... but its common
[05:50] <tzanger> aliendude5300: don't run that
[05:50] <arrrghhh> zethero1, meh i have no issues with kubuntu.  kde just keeps gettin better.
[05:51] <tzanger> zethero1: again the plural of anecdote is not evidence.
[05:51] <zethero1> arrrghhh: happy for you ...
[05:51] <aliendude5300> tzanger: what does it do?
[05:51] <zethero1> arrrghhh: Desktop or Laptop?
[05:51] <Dam0> i have aeggdrop running on ubuntu 9.04. It my works when i type ./eggdrop -n egg.conf & joins my channel  but when i try to connect it with ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf  it wont connect to a irc server and i cannot telnet to it
[05:51] <losher> aliendude5300: I would *not* run that. What did they say it was supposed to do?
[05:51] <zethero1> tzanger: Desktop or Laptop?
[05:51] <tzanger> zethero1: it doesn't work on your system(s). Ok. I get it. It works great on mine. I've never suggested ubuntu go away.
[05:51] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i had a windows fanboy tellin me his new win7 was bluescreenin and i laughed.  i guess his 9.04 install was lockin up hard too.  i said it was hw, but he claimed everything worked with 8.04 and XP.
[05:51] <aliendude5300> fix a problem with VNC or something...
[05:51] <tzanger> zethero1: both actually.  everything from little single core intel to multicore amd64 systems, anywhere from 512M RAM to 4G
[05:51] <aliendude5300> thats why I asked... cuz it looks completely irrelevant
[05:51] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i have a server, 2 desktops and 2 laptops running kubuntu.  well i guess the server not so much, d'oh.
[05:52] <david_> does anyone know how to get Evolution to retrieve the send/recieve password without having the keyring passwords constantly being typed
[05:52] <Bllasae> lol
[05:52] <Bllasae> I'm watching a movie...on my computer
[05:52] <tzanger> aliendude5300: it will blow away your system drive after presenting you with nastiness on the speakers
[05:52] <Bllasae> my slow computer at that
[05:52] <losher> aliendude5300: I can't think of anything this would fix
[05:52] <RedSocrates> aliendude5300: The last line within the while block will write random characters to your hard drive
[05:52] <tzanger> aliendude5300: first dd if=/dev/urandom will spew garbage to the sound card... and when you hit ^C the secnd will run, and that will spew random data to the hard drive.
[05:53] <bullgard4> david_: Do not use a keyring. Then Evolution will remember your e-mail provider password and will not need to type it in often.
[05:53] <aliendude5300> dang....
[05:53] <mudittuli> updated my ubuntu last night, and my screen resolution is screwed up!
[05:53] <losher> aliendude5300: looks like a nasty piece of work by someone.
[05:53] <dsdeiz> zenxr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/179296/
[05:53] <mudittuli> ubuntu Hardy
[05:53] <bullgard4> david_: Do not use a keyring. Then Evolution will remember your e-mail provider password and you will not need to type it in often.
[05:53] <tzanger> zethero1: honestly though the difference between kubuntu/ubuntu should not have anything to do with hardware, as the kernel and drivers are the same for both.  hell even X and its drivers are common for both
[05:53] <david_> how do i get it not to use the keyring?
[05:53] <RedSocrates> aliendude5300: Nice work coming here to ask
[05:53] <zethero1> tzanger, arrrghhh: I have been using Linux for only 2 years ... but I will never revert back to Windows ... won't touch the stuff - ha ... but here I have 3 laptops and 2 desktops ... the laptops are 2 Thinkpads and 1 HP Pavilion ... all good strong machines with good specs etc ... the desktops are also strong machines ... C2D and plenty of RAM ... the Desktops take to Kubuntu better than the laptops for sure ...
[05:53] <aliendude5300> it will only corrupt hdd if you hit ctrl+C
[05:53] <unko> can some one please tell me why songbird won't launch? i just installed it via .deb and it won't even launch
[05:54] <arrrghhh> zethero1, what version of kde?
[05:54] <mudittuli> updated my ubuntu hardy last night, and my screen resolution is screwed up!
[05:54] <zethero1> tzanger, arrrghhh: latest ... everything the latest
[05:54] <tzanger> I always ran slackware and then kubuntu on my thinkpad.  the laptop I'm on right now is a core 2 solo (intel video)... toshiba u300 I think
[05:54] <thiebaude> unko, type songbird in a terminal
[05:54] <WIGGMPk> Does anyone know why this keeps happening in Brasero, I just want to burn some DVD images... Bring back nautilus-cd-burner:  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d12458c2b
[05:54] <unko> thiebaude, ight hold on
[05:54] <arrrghhh> zethero1, and if you don't like kde, there's tons of other window managers etc.  obviously gnome or xfce, plus a lot of others if you like tweaking.
[05:55] <Bob_Dole> I have 15 machines under my administration here, I -own- 12 of them. ALl that I -own- run linux, 2/3 I don't own run windows. 1 runs OS X 10.3.9
[05:55] <tzanger> zethero1: now I will be the *first* person to say that I think KDE4 is a step BACKWARD from 3.5.x
[05:55] <zethero1> tzanger, arrrghhh: so now I am running Linux Mint (KDE) on one Thinkpad and its only segfaulted once in 2 days ... which is good ... hehe
[05:55] <MarcATL> SetiAmon: I don't have GNOME...what now?
[05:55] <zenxr> dsdeiz: there's an issue in the source code.. uhh
[05:55] <unko> thiebaude, here : http://pastie.org/487817
[05:55] <tzanger> plasma is unstable, for starters
[05:55] <tzanger> but again, I like the way KDE looks and works, which is why I use it over gnome.
[05:55] <Bob_Dole> Excluding my mac.. it runs OS X 10.4.11, and ubuntu, but ubuntu doesn't like my wireless keyboard much.
[05:55] <david_> Bullgard4: how do i get it not to use the keyring?
[05:55] <arrrghhh> zethero1, segfaults are no good... i agree, usually memory.  and plasma has been getting a ton better, but definitely needs more work.  still not close to the rock solid 3.5...
[05:56] <tzanger> Bob_Dole: really? that should show up as a normal HID device
[05:56] <zethero1> tzanger: see that is what I am talking about ... I like its looks ... as does my wife .. and the others who see it ... but its just not happy
[05:56] <Bob_Dole> tzanger, it's bluetooth. :/
[05:56] <Bob_Dole> It won't pair with it
[05:56] <bullgard4> david_: I do not know.
[05:56] <tzanger> Bob_Dole: hmm, that should still be a bluetooth HID device
[05:56] <thiebaude> unko, not sure what to do with that
[05:56] <zethero1> arrrghhh: all my memory is good
[05:56] <notlistening> Any ideas where to look to fix my audio, lol have had it working twice on 9.04 done nothing and then it stopped and can't get it back
[05:56] <tzanger> Bob_Dole: now I have had issues with bluetoth and linux for a while.. I can mak eit work but it takes some tinkering
[05:56] <Bob_Dole> sees it, then fails to pair, over and over, tzanger
[05:56] <unko> thiebaude, is it because im using aurora engine?
[05:56] <losher> WIGGMPk: looks like growisofs threw an error. Brasero just reported it. How big is TESTING.ISO ?
[05:56] <tzanger> zethero1: I had a 2G DIMM go bad on me... really weird segfaults and spontaneous reboots
[05:57] <arrrghhh> zethero1, well if gnome or xfce work, then use those.  you can try to go back to 3.5 or something but it's going to be rough.
[05:57] <zethero1> arrrghhh, tzanger: I make it a habit to run Memtest on my machines routinely ... so I know my RAM in the machines is good
[05:57] <notlistening> going through HDMI on an ATI card
[05:57] <thiebaude> unko, im not sure
[05:57] <tzanger> memtest86 ran for no more than 30 seconds before identifying the RAM as problematic :-)
[05:57] <arrrghhh> zethero1, how long do you run them for?
[05:57] <WIGGMPk> losher: 4.1GB
[05:57] <Bob_Dole> I think my iMac has some bad RAM too, only see errors with folding@home though.
[05:57] <zenxr> dsdeiz: i'd try redoing the untarring if possible
[05:57] <SolarisBoy> any applications to use my web cam with on yahoo for ubuntu?
[05:57] <dsdeiz> oh
[05:57] <dsdeiz> ok
[05:57] <SolarisBoy> !yahoo
[05:57] <SolarisBoy> !webcam
[05:58] <tzanger> Bob_Dole: memtest86 booting off of a CD or USB key is *great* for that kind of thing.  I generally say that if it makes it 10 minutes without error the memory is LIKELY good, but to leave it run overnight just to give it a good go
[05:58] <arrrghhh> tzanger, zethero1, i've always seen memtest light up like a christmas tree within 30 secs with bad ram, but i had a machine that memtest would lock up on - that was interesting.  bad sectors of the higher addresses in the ram.  good ole memtest.
[05:58] <zethero1> arrrghhh, tzanger: I leave the Memtest going overnight ... usually about 5-8 hours ... depending on when I go to bed - ha
[05:58] <losher> WIGGMPk: I would run it by hand next...
[05:58] <Lycus> Ok, I need some help--I'm running GParted from a live disk, but when trying to create a new ext2 partition it says /dev/sda1 is apparent in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!
[05:58] <reinier> i have a dell mini 9 with hardy, anyone in the room who could help me with some issues?
[05:58] <tzanger> anyway I should get back to my work here.. :-)
[05:58] <SolarisBoy> fs could be dirty and need to be checked..
[05:58] <Kalmi> !anyone | reinier
[05:59] <notlistening> Memtest can give problems if the processor is faulty/damaged too just watch that
[05:59] <arrrghhh> so no one using openchange?  i had my ppc syncing with mail2web, but they went to exchange 2007 and evidently can't provide the sync service for free anymore grrrrr
[05:59] <WIGGMPk> losher: I have been stupefied by the use of the GUI, can you point me in the right direction?
[05:59] <zethero1> arrrghhh, tzanger: so no idea of where these Gnome apps go when installed? ... I mean theur shortcuts at least
[05:59] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i don't know what "gnome apps" you're speaking of...
[05:59] <tzanger> zethero1: no, not off hand
[05:59] <losher> WIGGMPk: sure. Step 1: Open a terminal....
[05:59] <tzanger> my gnome apps show up in my menu
[05:59] <zethero1> arrrghhh: sound recorder
[06:00] <WIGGMPk> losher: hehehe.. got ya.. I just need the command really lol
[06:00] <tzanger> zethero1: it's not in the multimedia menu?
[06:00] <Kalmi> Lycus, you might have mounted it... try unmounting it from gparted... right click on the partition and unmount
[06:00] <arrrghhh> zethero1, what about sound recorder, you can't find the shortcut?
[06:00] <zethero1> tzanger: no ...
[06:00] <reinier> great thx my one of cpu is 100% why?
[06:00] <arrrghhh> zethero1, if you want it to run on startup you should just add it to the startup.
[06:00] <zethero1> arrrghhh: yes ... no menu entry
[06:00] <lstarnes> reinier: something must be using 100% of it
[06:00] <Lycus> Kalmi: The unmount option is greyed-ou
[06:00] <tzanger> reinier: run top and then type a capital P, that will sort by CPU use
[06:00] <zethero1> arrrghhh: no man .. I want to just run it like a normal app
[06:01] <tzanger> let it run for a few seconds (a few refreshes of the screen) and your culprit should be at the top
[06:01] <losher> WIGGMPk: ok, it should be: growisofs  -speed=4 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cdrom=/home/wiggmpk/Videos/Burn/TESTING.ISO
[06:01] <Lycus> When I try to mount it, it says the volume is locked.
[06:01] <arrrghhh> zethero1, so you don't want it to startup every time you login?
[06:01] <Kalmi> Lycus, what kind of partition is it?
[06:01] <tzanger> (q exits top)
[06:01] <reinier> thx istarnes
[06:01] <zethero1> arrrghhh: no why would I want sound recorder to startup with logon?
[06:01] <zethero1> ha
[06:01] <Lycus> It's blank now, it was previously ext2, Kalmi
[06:01] <HaliFax> hello
[06:01] <WIGGMPk> losher: i will give it a shot, i appreciate your help
[06:01] <Bob_Dole> oh, q? I've just been doing ctrl-c Dx
[06:01] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i guess i was thinking it was something else
[06:01] <arrrghhh> 1 sec
[06:01] <unko> can some one help me with songbird? i installed it via .deb on my jaunty x64 and songbird won't launch. i get a bunch of errors in terminal
[06:02] <losher> WIGGMPk: come back if it doesn't work...
[06:02] <reinier> thx tzanger
[06:02] <SolarisBoy> !webcam
[06:02] <zethero1> arrrghhh: another one is grabcd-rip
[06:02] <Kalmi> Lycus, you are having trouble unmounting an unformatted partition?
[06:02] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i'm guessing running these from alt-f2 is not desirable?
[06:02] <Lycus> Er, I'm having trouble formatting an unmounted partition...
[06:02] <zethero1> arrrghhh: where is the Kmenu properties?
[06:03] <Kalmi> Lycus, :S
[06:03] <zethero1> arrrghhh: no ...
[06:03] <Kalmi> Lycus, try restarting gparted... :S
[06:03] <reinier> its the dell launcher
[06:03] <Lycus> I'm going to reboot and see if I can format it from another utility.
[06:03] <HaliFax> hey how about some help with setting up an email server
[06:04] <WIGGMPk> losher: so question.. can you walk me through the commands... i understand the growisofs, the -speed=4.. what is the -dvd-compat and the -Z and i suppose /dev/cdrom= says media is not recognized as recordable
[06:04] <reinier> tzanger are u still around?
[06:04] <bullgard4> NetworkManager applet <IP_ADDRESS> > left-click shows me 3 radio network items. All three are shown with a symbol to the left of the field strength symbol. It seems to symbolize a monopole antenna radiation pattern and something unidentifiable in the lower right. What does this symbol (icon) mean?
[06:04] <Bllasae> are there any good games on the add/remove list?
[06:04] <arrrghhh> zethero1, what's wrong with right clicking applications and going to "edit menus"?
[06:05] <saiki> where can I go for wine help?
[06:05] <e4> I need to install a package on a Gutsy Gibbon install, is there a way to do it manually given that the repos are already deactivated?
[06:05] <DaZ> #wine ?
[06:05] <arrrghhh> saiki, i think there's a #wine?
[06:05] <zethero1> arrrghhh: got in there now ... cannot see the entry ... maybe I will have to manually add it
[06:05] <Bob_Dole> I think... yeah, I'm too slow. wine has a channel.
[06:05] <arrrghhh> e4, wth are you running gutsy for?
[06:05] <saiki> * You have been kicked from #wine by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
[06:05] <Bob_Dole> wat
[06:05] <Bllasae> lolwut?
[06:06] <arrrghhh> zethero1, uh... yea if it's not there then you add it...
[06:06] <Bllasae> oh wait
[06:06] <Bob_Dole> #winehq apparently
[06:06] <Bllasae> it's #winehq
[06:06] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i figured that would/should have been obvious....
[06:06] <saiki> ya, thx
[06:06] <zethero1> arrrghhh: a bit lame
[06:06] <mobi-sheep> e4: It's moved to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[06:06] <Bob_Dole> It forwarded me there
[06:06] <losher> WIGGMPk: most of it is covered in the man page for growisofs. Did you put in a new blank dvd? The existing one is probably trashed by the previous write attempt.
[06:06] <zethero1> arrrghhh: never ever needed to do that in Ubuntu
[06:06] <arrrghhh> zethero1, oh no, adding menu entries one time is lame?  what do you want?
[06:06] <Bllasae> I HAS CHESS!
[06:06] <zethero1> arrrghhh: most I ever had to do was enable/disable the entry
[06:07] <zhurai> =_= ook...um....  apparently can't connect via wireless again for unknown reasons =_=
[06:07] <arrrghhh> zethero1, not *all* apps get automagically added.  blame the person/group that packaged it, not ubuntu.
[06:07] <WIGGMPk> losher: yea, im reading the main page now.. Its a brand new DVD, but should /dev/cdrom be /media/cdrom?
[06:07] <arrrghhh> WIGGMPk, /dev is where the device lies, /media is where devices mount.
[06:07] <zethero1> arrrghhh: like I said .. in 2 years I have NEVER had to manually add an entry in the menu
[06:07] <zhurai> May 23 22:04:19 zhurai-laptop kernel: [  107.350786] wlan0: mismatch in privacy configuration and mixed-cell disabled - abort association
[06:07] <zhurai> May 23 22:04:19 zhurai-laptop kernel: [  107.550128] wlan0: privacy configuration mismatch and mixed-cell disabled - disassociate
[06:07] <zethero1> arrrghhh: in Ubuntu
[06:07] <arrrghhh> zethero1, that's great.
[06:07] <losher> WIGGMPk: this can vary from system to system. Does 'eject /dev/cdrom' eject the medium?  Try eject /dev/cdrom1
[06:09] <arrrghhh> anyhooo... has anyone deployed openchange to ubuntu?  it seems to be in the repo's but i don't get where it installed or how to configure it...
[06:09] <losher> WIGGMPk: one -> wrong
[06:09] <Bllasae> it says that I can't go into 3d mode because No Python OpenGL support and No Python GTKGLExt support
[06:09] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i sorted it out, didn't i?  sheesh.
[06:09] <zethero1> arrrghhh: NOT!
[06:09] <saiki> guess I'll ask my question here too, maybe someone knows how to fix it
 anyone hve trouble networking a Windows Pc and a wine app together (aka starcraft) on the same network?
[06:09] <arrrghhh> zethero1, you have your precious menu entry, yes?
[06:09] <kbuel> hey does anyone know if there is a channel for help with packaging?
[06:10] <wanna_learn> can i know the name of xen-kernel on ubuntu jaunty?
[06:10] <reinier> dell launcher is using 100% of my cpu, any clues?
[06:10] <zethero1> arrrghhh: you told me nothing new ... and you did not fix the real problem ... that the menu entries are not getting in there by themselves ... this is one reason way I say Kubuntu is in a way inferior to Ubuntu
[06:10] <arrrghhh> reinier, never heard of it... how is "dell launcher" part of linux or ubuntu again?
[06:10] <zethero1> arrrghhh: so you just have to "suck it up" ... ha
[06:10] <dSlaM> kbuel: i saw something about that in my rss feeds lately, wait
[06:11] <reinier> yep
[06:11] <arrrghhh> zethero1, did you not read what i said?  blame the people who setup the package, not the OS.  it's up to THEM to add the menu entires on installation.
[06:11] <WIGGMPk> losher: i think I need to restart.. the eject /dev/cdrom1 worked.. so Ill give the growisofs another shot in the terminal
[06:11] <rgmz> what does the hide command do in GRUB?
[06:11] <arrrghhh> reinier, how is that an answer to my question?
[06:11] <kbuel> dSlaM: thanks
[06:12] <losher> WIGGMPk: agreed...
[06:12] <wanna_learn> !xen
[06:12] <losher> WIGGMPk: ok, it should be: growisofs  -speed=4 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cdrom1=/home/wiggmpk/Videos/Burn/TESTING.ISO
[06:12] <zethero1> arrrghhh: so Gnome apps do not add well to the Kmenu ... but KDE apps add fine to the Gnome menu ...
[06:12] <reinier> dell released a bunch of laptops with ubuntu heron
[06:12] <rgmz> what does the hide command do in GRUB?
[06:12] <arrrghhh> zethero1, some apps do, some don't.
[06:12] <arrrghhh> reinier, i'm sorry.
[06:12] <reinier> thats ok
[06:13] <saiki> rgmz, try hide --help ?
[06:13] <Kalmi> reinier, It seems that it is part of the laptop remix
[06:13] <reinier> what can i do?
 anyone hve trouble networking a Windows Pc and a wine app together (aka starcraft) on the same network?
[06:13] <arrrghhh> zethero1, again, depends on the packagae maintainer.
[06:13] <rgmz> ok thanks
[06:13] <losher> !md5sum
[06:14] <arrrghhh> saiki, asking that question in here will probably get you nowhere.  especially pasting the same question again and again.
[06:14] <arrrghhh> !openchange
[06:14] <arrrghhh> !open-xchange
[06:14] <arrrghhh> fail
[06:14] <saiki> arrrghhh, not getting me anyhwere in winehq either
[06:14] <arrrghhh> !fail
[06:14] <zethero1> arrrghhh: so more package maintainers are making sure that things work 100% with Ubuntu, whereas only some are seeing to it that the same goes for Kubuntu  ...
[06:15] <lily> i can't find the start menu, where is it?
[06:15] <saiki> "applications"?
[06:15] <zethero1> arrrghhh: ok here is another question ... what is the default app in Kubuntu for recording sound?
[06:15] <matt098> there is no stat menu in ubuntu
[06:15] <arrrghhh> zethero1, so you expect gnome package maintainers to setup their software for every window manager?
[06:16] <arrrghhh> zethero1, dunno, never have.  google is your friend :D
[06:16] <lily> where are the programs installed?
[06:16] <reinier> anyone in the room with a dell mini 9?
[06:16] <zethero1> arrrghhh: so Ubuntu has a sound recorder app installed by default ... and Kubuntu just left that out ... hmm
[06:16] <zethero1> another one bites the dust
[06:16] <e4> mobi_sheep:  Thanks, that did the trick.
[06:16] <kulawend> While playing some fullscreen games such as "Glest" on my widescreen laptop, the bottom is cut off and I cannot see it. Does anyone know a solution?
[06:17] <Kalmi> reinier, maybe you could try on #ubuntu-laptop , however there are only a few people there...
[06:17] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i've never recorded sound on a computer... not since i was like 12.  so i don't know.  there probably is one, i've never used it.  dude, you're worse then hemroids.
[06:17] <reinier> thx kalmi
[06:17] <zethero1> arrrghhh: ha ... and your not doing a very good job of making Kubuntu look up to scratch ...
[06:17] <fuzzybunny69y> hey guys I am wiping vista and am wanting to backup my settings in Ubuntu before doing a clean install. Does anyond know how I might go about this?
[06:18] <dSlaM> kbuel: can't find it sorry, but there is a guide on the official website, seems not up to date but hope that helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[06:18] <losher> rgmz: http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm then search for hide/unhide
[06:18] <e4> arrrghhh:  How insightful :p
[06:18] <mike15> I'm having issues after the initial install of Ubuntu 9.04 running on Parallels.  Has anyone experienced a login problem?
[06:18] <Xerxes32> can ubuntu be booted from a external usb hd?
[06:18] <arrrghhh> zethero1, i don't care, it's not like it's my job.  i came in here for help with openchange, not to make you feel good about kubuntu.
[06:18] <zethero1> arrrghhh: many people use a sound recorder app to test out their input audio devices and hardware ...
[06:18] <arrrghhh> Xerxes32, it really depends if the hardware supports it.  any os can be booted from a usb hdd if the BIOS supports it.
[06:18] <dSlaM> (ps: wtf am i doing here ??? is it new xchat connects here automatically???)
[06:18] <arrrghhh> zethero1, k... i don't use input devices?
[06:18] <Xerxes32> sounds good enough for me, shopping atm for my new hdd..
[06:19] <Kalmi> arrrghhh, Xerxes32, um... no... windows can't :)
[06:19] <arrrghhh> Kalmi, yes, it can...
[06:19] <zethero1> arrrghhh: ok .. well that changes everything ... :)
[06:19] <e4> Kalmi:  Yes, it can.
[06:19] <Kalmi> arrrghhh, e4, with trickery? or it just works?
[06:20] <mudittuli> after last ubuntu update, my screen resolution is messed up!, how to correct it
[06:20] <mudittuli> ?
[06:20] <arrrghhh> Kalmi, it works, so long as the HARDWARE (ie BIOS...) supports it.
[06:20] <e4> Kalmi:  Most of the people that whine about Windows not being able to do stuff simply don't know how to get into the guts of it.
[06:20] <arrrghhh> Kalmi, he's talking HDD not flash drive.
[06:20] <Kalmi> arrrghhh, so do I...
[06:20] <arrrghhh> and you can get win to run on a flash drive... just not as easy as linux :D
[06:20] <beatlesfan> hey all
[06:20] <e4> arrrghhh:  No, I'm talking any USB device.
[06:20] <e4> yes.
[06:21] <arrrghhh> e4, i think Xerxes32 was talking about a hdd specifically, which is trivial if the hardware supports it.
[06:21] <beatlesfan> do you think Ubuntu 9.04 will run on my box... it's got a Pentium 4 2.4Ghz CPU with 2GB RAM
[06:21] <beatlesfan> ?
[06:21] <libtech> beatlesfan: heck yes
[06:21] <dSlaM> why would it not ???
[06:21] <mudittuli> after last ubuntu update, my screen resolution is messed up!, how to correct it ?
[06:21] <rgmz> thanks losher
[06:21] <Xerxes32> any thoughts of hdd drive: http://cgi.ebay.com/120GB-7200RPM-External-Hard-Drive-USB-2-0-Vista-Ready_W0QQitemZ350204496893QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item5189d08bfd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
[06:21] <beatlesfan> I thought maybe you would need at least dualcore
[06:21] <libtech> i run ubuntu on my little netbook just fine
[06:21] <libtech> nooo
[06:21] <dSlaM> hell no
[06:21] <beatlesfan> ok
[06:21] <RedSocrates> beatlesfan: It will definitely run on that system.  It can run on much less
[06:22] <beatlesfan> what about with KDE desktop?
[06:22] <e4> Xerxes32:  Why would you buy a used HD, especially one that's in an enclosure.  That sounds like dataloss waiting to happen.
[06:22] <beatlesfan> instead of Gnome
[06:22] <libtech> that should be fine
[06:22] <libtech> i ran KDE on my old dell
[06:22] <beatlesfan> can a KDE app run on Gnome?
[06:22] <beatlesfan> or vice versa?
[06:23] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: from my experience gnome is better suited for an old computer though
[06:23] <beatlesfan> dslam, thanks
[06:23] <arrrghhh> beatlesfan, uh yea that's insane stats for ubuntu to handle, kde or otherwise.  and kde/gnome apps work better with eachother than they have in the past, but it's not perfect.
[06:23] <Kalmi> arrrghhh, e4, the windows 7 rc installer told me to leave it alone with my external hdd... and all the tutorials (for older Windows versions) on the Internet mess with the installer....
[06:23] <matt098> what is the big diff between kde and gnome?
[06:23] <arrrghhh> beatlesfan, dSlaM xfce even more
[06:23] <libtech> windows 7 is great
[06:23] <joot> I have a number of hard drives installed with ubuntu what are the
[06:23] <dSlaM> arrrghhh: i agree with that ;)
[06:24] <joot> Sorry will try again
[06:24] <beatlesfan> I just wish there was a decent personal finance app for Gnome.. don't like that Gnucash
[06:24] <WIGGMPk> losher: im afraid im having some trouble with growisofs. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d6b7488b4
[06:24] <arrrghhh> windows 7 is OK... i'd say vista is the new ME.  7 is better than vista, but still not as stable or as fast as my XP installs.  i kinda miss 2kpro, but too much won't run on it now.
[06:24] <losher> Xerxes32: pretty much all drives are the same. What matters is if your *bios* supports booting via usb
[06:24] <arrrghhh> Xerxes32, we went over that, losher hit the nail on the head.
[06:24] <joot> I have a number of hard drives installed with ubuntu what are the % chance of them booting without installing again??
[06:25] <dSlaM> arrrghhh: hehe 2K was the better ms system :)
[06:25] <dSlaM> best*
[06:25] <arrrghhh> joot, ubuntu/linux doesn't care much about hardware.  you may have some network interface adjustments to make, but other than that nothing really.  not like winblows when you switch the hardware time to reinstall it!
[06:25] <beatlesfan> do you need a firewall when running Ubuntu?
[06:25] <arrrghhh> i completely swapped the mobo in  my server, didn't have any issues.  some network interface adjustments like i said, but that was it!
[06:26] <libtech> windows 7 is much faster and prettier than my xp install
[06:26] <arrrghhh> beatlesfan, by default there's no open ports...
[06:26] <beatlesfan> ahh
[06:26] <arrrghhh> libtech, i'm so glad it's pretty...
[06:26] <Kalmi> !offtopic
[06:26] <libtech> heheh
[06:26] <arrrghhh> thank you
[06:26] <bullgard4> NetworkManager applet <IP_ADDRESS> > left-click shows me 3 radio network items. All three are shown with a symbol to the left of the field strength symbol. It seems to symbolize a monopole antenna radiation pattern and something unidentifiable in the lower right. What does this symbol (icon) mean?
[06:26] <joot> arrrghhh, Cool, I though that may be case but wanted to check.. Many thanks. :-)
[06:26] <losher> WIGGMPk: it's the same issue. Also, the estimated write times look preposterous. So have these burners ever worked? Cos it now looks like a hardware issue.
[06:26] <dSlaM> joot: i'll answer with a litte experience of mine, switched from  athlon 2000+ and msi sommethin 3 month ago, to asus p5ql intel core 2 duo 7200 + sata drives, no reinstall needed :)
[06:26] <arrrghhh> joot, np.
[06:26] <libtech> i use windows for gaming, it better have some eye candy
[06:27] <dSlaM> (in fact too lazy to reinstall)
[06:27] <dSlaM> worked great
[06:27] <arrrghhh> libtech, we don't care.  this is #ubuntu.
[06:27] <beatlesfan>  <<<< downloading Ubuntu 9.04 now
[06:27] <libtech> lawl
[06:27] <libtech> ubuntu
[06:27] <libtech> um
[06:27] <RedSocrates> bullgard4: It indicates that the network you're seeing is protected with some form of encryption; the lower right symbol is a shield
[06:27] <joot> dslam, Thank you.. ;-)
[06:27] <mudittuli> after last ubuntu update, my screen resolution is messed up!, how to correct it ?
[06:27] <libtech> how can i access itunes daap shares in linux>
[06:27] <libtech> >
[06:27] <libtech> >
[06:27] <libtech> ?
[06:27]  * arrrghhh thinks libtech is a troll....
[06:27] <FloodBot1> libtech: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:27] <mudittuli> anyone for help ?
[06:27] <beatlesfan> I like that ubuntu gives you much more flexibility in your hard drive setup
[06:27] <WIGGMPk> losher: well, they worked in Hardy & Intrepid, but I have been having trouble with Jaunty.  --  And what is the name of this symbol (icon)?
[06:28] <libtech> arrrghhh: ive tried them both, both cant access itunes shares
[06:28] <dSlaM> woops sorry
[06:28] <arrrghhh> no one is fornicating this OS.
[06:28] <RedSocrates> bullgard4: No idea there, sorry
[06:28] <dSlaM> arrrghhh:
[06:28] <arrrghhh> libtech, songbird needs a DAAP plugin/extension.
[06:28] <bullgard4> RedSocrates: Thank you very much for your help.
[06:28] <dSlaM> arrrghhh: i would if i could XD
[06:28] <losher> WIGGMPk: frankly, I'd downgrade. I'm a fan of 8.04.2 LTS myself....
[06:29] <RedSocrates> bullgard4: No prob, good luck
[06:29] <arrrghhh> libtech, as i recall rhythymbox just hooked right up... i use firefly tho, i dunno if that makes a difference.
[06:29] <libtech> arrrghhh: i know that, i used the daap client in songbird. something with apple doesnt allow third parties to access the daap protocol
[06:29] <Armedeus> heeelllllllpppppp pleasssssssssssssssssse. I have followed every instruction I can find on  the net about enabling codecs and stuff and I still can not play DVDs on totem :-(
[06:29] <WIGGMPk> losher: but the boot times... and the new kernel =*(
[06:29] <arrrghhh> libtech, like i said, i use firefly... i hate itunes.
[06:29] <cxTactic1> hey guys, anybody successul here for bridge network for 9.04 on vmware fusion?.
[06:29] <dSlaM> not ubuntu relatded, anyone with mysql admin experience here ?
[06:29] <libtech> oohh ok
[06:29] <lstarnes> Armedeus: have you tried vlc or mplayer?
[06:29] <beatlesfan> dslam, no mysql but lots of Oracle experience
[06:30] <joot> Armedeus, Use Ogle it just works
[06:30] <RedSocrates> vlc +1
[06:30] <blz> Does anybody know if it's safe to upgrade mythbuntu 8.10 to mythbuntu 9.04?
[06:30] <Armedeus> lstarnes, no I havent
[06:30] <libtech> arrrghhh: ill look into it, thank you.
[06:30] <mudittuli> Armedeus: use vlC
[06:30] <arrrghhh> firefly uses the itunes DAAP protocol however.
[06:30] <losher> WIGGMPk: but the dvd burning issue, the sound problems, the ext4 problems and the flash problem....
[06:30] <tzanger> blz: if you are running intel video, I don't recommend it
[06:30] <beatlesfan> anyone know how big the base Ubuntu 9.04 install is?
[06:30] <tzanger> at least not without moving on to xorg-edgers or xorg-update repos right away
[06:30] <Armedeus> OK I will try vlc and brb and let you know
[06:30] <arrrghhh> it's relatively "open"... like CUPS.  i was very surprised when i saw the apple copyright at the bottom of the CUPS admin page.
[06:31] <beatlesfan> I have a 20GB partition set up
[06:31] <beatlesfan> should that be enough?
[06:31] <tzanger> beatlesfan: that should be plenty of space
[06:31] <beatlesfan> cool
[06:31] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: ok here is the question... at work we run a website (with LAMP), searches take about 40 seconds to deliver the results, could you think of something we might do to improve this ?
[06:31] <tzanger> the otu of box install fits on a signle CD
[06:31] <arrrghhh> beatlesfan, that's plenty.  you can install it on less than 6gb if you really want to press it.
[06:31] <blz> tzanger;  forgive my noobishnes, but if I'm running an NVIDIA graphics card, then I'm not running intel video, correct?  (sanity check)
[06:31] <tzanger> not DVD
[06:31] <beatlesfan> dslam,  yes
[06:31] <tzanger> blz: that is correct, you're running nVidia graphics :-)
[06:31] <arrrghhh> blz, yes... that would make sense.
[06:31] <mzz> beatlesfan: I wouldn't actually install it in 6gb or less if you can avoid it, because it makes upgrades a bit annoying
[06:31] <beatlesfan> dslam, you might think about indexing the columns that are being querieid
[06:31] <arrrghhh> mzz, of course, but you could do it if you wanted to lol.
[06:31] <blz> tzanger, arrrghhh:  figured that was the case, but I've gotten some pretty simple stuff wrong before =)
[06:32] <beatlesfan> queried
[06:32] <kholerabbi> can I make ubuntu play music at the login screen?
[06:32] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: indexes are alreadys setted up
[06:32] <tzanger> blz: no worries, we were all newbs at some point
[06:32] <arrrghhh> sleepy time.  gonna deal with openchange later.
[06:32] <arrrghhh> kholerabbi, kinda.  if you ssh'd into it lol.
[06:32] <arrrghhh> on that note, i'm out.
[06:32] <kholerabbi> :/
[06:32] <losher> WIGGMPk: just a thought, some incompatibility about your particular model of burner maybe? You have 2 burners? Try the other one?
[06:32] <blz> next embarrasing question... what's the command to do an in-place update again?  I'd rather not use the update manager as I run my myth box via ssh
[06:33] <beatlesfan> dslam, make sure the list of tables in the "FROM" clause start with the table with the least number of rows
[06:33] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: actually, the query we have diffculties about are on about 15 tables, making tmp tables with ~ 8millions rows
[06:33] <tzanger> blz: someone else should back me up on this, but I'm pretty sure it's "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:33] <tzanger> beatlesfan: I don't think SQL has short-circuits like that
[06:33] <kholerabbi> !upgrade
[06:33] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: ok thanks that's a start
[06:33] <joot> tzanger, yes
[06:33] <beatlesfan> tzanger, of course it does
[06:33] <beatlesfan> it's not a short circuit
[06:33] <blz> tzanger:  that's what I thought too, but it doesn't work... oddly enough
[06:33] <tzanger> beatlesfan: i.e. the FROM a,b,c,d does not necessarily query from a first, then b, c, d
[06:34] <tzanger> beatlesfan: yeah, short circuit's the wrong term, I was thinking WHERE but typing FROM :-)
[06:34] <RedSocrates> blz: do-release-upgrade
[06:34] <beatlesfan> in Oracle it does
[06:34] <RedSocrates> I think
[06:34] <blz> RedSocrates:  thx.  google check time =)
[06:34] <beatlesfan> dslam, your query creates TMP tables??
[06:35] <RedSocrates> blz: No rpb
[06:35] <losher> blz: Not sure what you mean by 'run my myth box via ssh' but a mythtv installation might not survive an upgrade. At the very least, backup your DB and anything else you can't live without *before* fiddling with your system
[06:35] <RedSocrates> prob
[06:35] <beatlesfan> you have "insert into" clause?
[06:35] <felix__> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Command_Line LOL
[06:35] <tzanger> losher: amen. and since it's myth, back up your DB on a regular basis, period.
[06:35] <blz> losher:  I just mean that I do administrative stuff at the command line (updates, installing packages, etc...)
[06:35] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: actually mysql creates tmp tables, aka tables in RAM
[06:35] <blz> and good pint
[06:35] <blz> *point
[06:35] <tzanger> <-- been running myth for ... 5 years now?
[06:35] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: it's not *real* tables
[06:35] <tzanger> blz: pints are good too :-)
[06:36] <beatlesfan> dslam, ok, make sure that you're not running any queries that do whole table scans
[06:36] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: it's just the way mysql work "backwards"
[06:36] <blz> tzanger:  yeah they're part of the reason my typing is horrid tonight
[06:36] <beatlesfan> does mysql have an "explain" plan option?
[06:36] <losher> tzanger: me too, about 5 years of mythtv
[06:36] <tzanger> blz: ahh.. dist upgrades while under the influence. you ARE brave, son.
[06:36] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: by working with primary keys and indexes right ?
[06:36] <beatlesfan> dslam, primary keys are always indexed
[06:36] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: yep it does
[06:36] <beatlesfan> dslam, it's the other columns, the non-key columns that you have to worry about
[06:37] <blz> tzanger:  through the power bestowed upon me by the series of tubes, i have lrn2brave
[06:37] <tzanger> losher: awesome, ain't it. the wife even loves it for the most part :-)
[06:37] <tzanger> blz: heh
[06:37] <almost> DBO: its been a while how;s the coffee plantation?
[06:37] <losher> blz: So is the backend/frontend on the machine you're upgrading or not? If it is, you need to back it all up
[06:37] <beatlesfan> if you are selecting non-key columns... index those too
[06:37] <DBO> the coffee plantation?
[06:37] <blz> losher:  yeah it's a combined backend/frontend
[06:38] <tzanger> DBO: it must have been quite a while :-)
[06:38] <beatlesfan> dslam, look at explain plan... make sure there are no whole-table scans
[06:38] <DBO> indeed
[06:38] <beatlesfan> if there are... add an index to that column
[06:38] <losher> blz: back it all up baby. What release are you upgrading from/to ?
[06:38] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: i got a course the other day, the guy explained to us, when a query is more than 1 sec in mysql, "you're doing the wrong way", that's why i'm worrying about it, my superiors want to switch to postgresql, but i'm a true fan of mysql, and i'm sure we can do better than that
[06:38] <blz> losher:  8.10 to 9.04
[06:38] <tzanger> dSlaM: hahaha
[06:38] <almost> DBO: sorry maybe wrong nick last time I was here there was a guy always reccomending diffrent cofffee brands while chatting about ubuntu
[06:38] <beatlesfan> dslam, check out explain plan...
[06:38] <dSlaM> thx, will do
[06:38] <losher> blz: why bother?
[06:38] <beatlesfan> I'm not sure what the equivalent is in Mysql
[06:38] <tzanger> dSlaM: I've run into real-world queries which are fully optimized and take a good 15 minutes to run
[06:39] <blz> losher:  honestly?  because i can.  The system's getting replaced in like 2 weeks anyway
[06:39] <beatlesfan> tzanger, depends on how much data and what system too
[06:39] <tzanger> beatlesfan: well for sure
[06:39] <tzanger> this was on... informix I want to say, but I'm not 100% sure
[06:39] <phoe6> not actually a ubuntu doubt;  I have setup a squid proxy running at port 3128; I want all my HTTP as well as HTTPS proxy to through this one only. what should I do? (the tutorials are too wide and I think I am impatient too :( )
[06:39] <beatlesfan> if a query on 15000 rows is taking 15 minutes.. there's something wrong
[06:40] <losher> blz: upgrading a working mythtv box to 9.04 is asking for pain without much return. If you're that bored, go watch a movie
[06:40] <beatlesfan> but if you're talking 15 billion rows
[06:40] <tzanger> blz: my backend's slackware and my frontends are minimyth
[06:40] <blz> tzanger:  what's minimyth?
[06:40] <almost> DBO: but your into coffee in a big way maybe a machine in your room?
[06:40] <blz> losher:   maybe i should bust out my C for dummies book instead...
[06:40] <tzanger> blz: google it; it's a pretty nifty "distro" for myth frontends.  all mine are diskless, they boot off the network and stuff just works
[06:40] <dSlaM> tzanger: ahah, i'm talking about a website with about a hundred tables, the bigger having 4 millions rows, you know it's not that big for a DB and i'm sure that's cause the DB was not originally well designed, not because there is too much data to process (as it would be for requests about 15 minutes long ;) )
[06:41] <losher> blz: a better use of your time, frankly. 9.04 is a bit unstable in parts still...
[06:41] <beatlesfan> dslam, you might look into denormalizing where it makes senses
[06:41] <beatlesfan> sense
[06:41] <blz> losher:  good to know.  I actually have another question... dunno if you know the answer, but is ext4 a better choice than the default XFS for myth?
[06:41] <almost> OK nevermind how would I apply this howto to unbuntu http://www.debianhelp.org/node/15244
[06:41] <beatlesfan> but I don't know the structure of your database
[06:41] <blz> tzanger:  interesting... what are the system requirements?
[06:42] <blz> tzanger;  if you know. otherwise i can activate my google cannon
[06:42] <beatlesfan> you only got 100 tables.. thats not a lot of tables
[06:42] <tzanger> blz: I use xfs for my stuff because all of my data is stored in LVM and I can hot-grow XFS
[06:42] <blz> tzanger:  oh man... i'm going to milk you for information... brace yourself
[06:42] <tzanger> blz: it's pretty flexible. there is specific support for nvidia's vdpau (h264 accel) but that's not a requirement
[06:42] <losher> blz: in my opinion, ext4 is not stable enough yet to trust on a server like mythtv where you want really good uptime.
[06:42] <beatlesfan> is that the biggest table, the 4 million row one?
[06:43] <blz> losher;  makes sense
[06:43] <Armedeus> OK to those who say install VLC to play DVDs, thanks, but I still can not play commecial DVDs. So I am open to any new ideas please
[06:43] <denon> any of you have tips on getting virtual users to work in PureFTPd? followed docs to the letter, but can't seem to log in
[06:43] <losher> blz: I run 8.04.2 LTS on myt backend. I notice tzanger runs slackware. Both tend to be rock solid
[06:43] <denon> figure I must be missing something
[06:43] <tzanger> Armedeus: mplayer
[06:43] <mzz> also, iirc you can hot-grow ext3 too
[06:43] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: exactly 100 tables is pretty low that's why i don't think we should switch for annother DB, because IMO the DB is really bad designed and we might lose some time and effort switching, and i'm looking for solutions improving the db schema
[06:43] <tzanger> Armedeus: you'll need the libdvdcss library too I think
[06:43] <beatlesfan> the firefox for Ubuntu... are there as many addons as the firefox for windows?
[06:43] <zeromod> mplayer plays dvds just fine
[06:43] <tzanger> mzz: nope
[06:43] <tzanger> you can grow them, but not hot-grow
[06:43] <zeromod> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[06:44] <joot> Armedeus, Use Ogle  and make sure you have libdvdcss
[06:44]  * tzanger waits for zeromod's password... :-)
[06:44] <mzz> tzanger: "As of this writing, the Linux 2.6 kernel supports on-line resize for filesystems mounted using ext3 only." says my resize2fs manpage
[06:44] <losher> blz: If you want to play with 9.04, fine. Just do it on a spare box where if it all goes horribly wrong you can just wipe it & start again.
[06:44] <blz> tzanger:  question about lvms though...:  with a standard LVM (2 disks in my hypothetical array) if one disk fails, do you lose *all* the data in the array (like in RAID0) or juts the data on the disk?
[06:44] <beatlesfan> dslam, you can do a lot with the db schema but there is the trouble of ETL from the as-is to the to-be
[06:44] <tzanger> mzz: interesting, I stand corrected
[06:44] <mzz> tzanger: (obviously that means ext2 and possibly ext4 are out, not non-ext* filesystems :)
[06:44] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: "ETL" ? (sorry France here ;) )
[06:44] <mzz> tzanger: I didn't know either, but needed that manpage the other day :)
[06:44] <blz> losher:  yeah I guess it is only about a month old...
[06:44]  * zeromod inserts password incorrectly on purpose
[06:44] <tzanger> blz: I build my LVM out of RAID1/RAID5 arrays
[06:45] <beatlesfan> Extract, Transform, and Load... when you move from one schema to another
[06:45] <Armedeus> OK how do I ensure I have libdvdcss?
[06:45] <tzanger> so I can survive a 1-drive failure in any of the PV arrays
[06:45] <mzz> also, lvm is pretty nice.
[06:45] <losher> blz: not only is it not very mature, they rushed it to make a 09/04 deadline & it's not clear it was quite ready
[06:45] <tzanger> # pvscan
[06:45] <tzanger>   PV /dev/md0   VG media   lvm2 [569.75 GB / 228.00 MB free]
[06:45] <tzanger>   PV /dev/md1   VG media   lvm2 [279.47 GB / 0    free]
[06:45] <tzanger>   Total: 2 [849.22 GB] / in use: 2 [849.22 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0   ]
[06:45] <FloodBot1> tzanger: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:45] <joot> Armedeus, lok for it in synaptic if not installed then install
[06:45] <tzanger> someone should tune floodbot down a notch or two
[06:45] <blz> tzanger:  hows the disk latency on that?  I tried raid0 (i know.. I know...) and it ended up being slower becaue of head seek
[06:45] <beatlesfan> also Dslam, I am a professional data modeler currently with the United States department of Homeland Security
[06:46] <mzz> (I run it on a single hd just so I get useful names and the ability to mess with them when necessary)
[06:46] <mobi-sheep> Armedeus:  Run "aptitude search libdvd" in terminal
[06:46] <Armedeus> ok
[06:46] <losher> beatlesfan: seriously?
[06:46] <tzanger> blz: it's a media/file server; I don't care what the latency's like becuase myth adds its own on top and besides, everything's buffered sufficiently
[06:46] <zeromod> homeland security lolz
[06:46] <beatlesfan> losher, seriously
[06:46] <dSlaM> beatlesfan: cool can you work for us ? XD