[00:00] <oerheks> hmm cinnamint
[00:32] <kingx> hi all, running ubuntu 19.10. I keep seeing an update for "Freedesktop Platform 18.08.39" and clicking "Update All" will show "Installing" but at the next boot or so the update shows as available again.
[00:34] <leftyfb> kingx: got a screenshot of this update message?
[00:36] <kingx> https://imgur.com/a/LJM6QZq
[00:42] <leftyfb> kingx: please paste the resulting link from this: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt-get -s upgrade)
[00:44] <kingx> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kX4zFQd26K/
[00:44] <kingx> thank you for taking a look
[00:45] <leftyfb> kingx: I feel like something was left out at the bottom, no?
[00:45] <oerheks> flatpak update?
[00:46] <kingx> no, that "Reading package lists..." was the last line
[00:46] <leftyfb> kingx: sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[00:47] <kingx> no packages updated. last line -> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:48] <leftyfb> kingx: looks like there's no updates
[00:48] <leftyfb> kingx: can you see if you can reproduce the message?
[00:48] <oerheks> if these flatpak updates fail, you want to add the basic sources
[00:49] <leftyfb> oerheks: who said anything about flatpak?
[00:49] <kingx> the freedesktop platform update is always there under "updates"
[00:50] <kingx> clicking update briefly changes to "installing" and then goes back to showing as "update"
[00:50] <leftyfb> kingx: it shows it right now?
[00:50] <oerheks> that package is a flatpak thingy
[00:50] <kingx> yeh
[00:51] <kingx> https://imgur.com/a/lx8PFSS
[00:51] <kingx> shows like this now
[00:52] <oerheks> hit the green button, update all?
[00:52] <oerheks> not sure that is a button
[00:52] <kingx> yeh, it doesn't really do anything. It will briefly change to installing and then goes back to showing as update available
[00:54] <kingx> no big deal, just a minor annoyance. I'll do a fresh install once 20.04 goes stable
[01:00] <leftyfb> kingx: do you have anything installed via flatpak?
[01:02] <tomreyn> i had the same (i think) issue on 18.04.3 until i switched to flatpak from ppa:alexlarsson/flatpak
[01:02] <kingx> yeh, bunch of stuff, chromium, calibre, retroarch
[01:03] <tomreyn> you could also uninstall gnome-software-plugin-flatpak and live without the GUI update prompts, just working with the flatpak CLI
[01:04] <Mibix> Do you guys know how I could set something up so this window always auto closes
[01:04] <oerheks> these 3 steps are handy, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2429840&p=13911400#post13911400
[01:04] <Mibix> https://imgur.com/a/KzCFKug
[01:06] <tomreyn> try clicking on "buy license", this should make it go away
[01:07] <Mibix> haha its $600/year and im not using it for commercial purposes
[01:07] <Mibix> they dont have non commercial licenses :(
[01:07] <oerheks> its a binairy blob, prop software
[01:11] <yoyodrago> hiii
[01:11] <yoyodrago> hi king
[01:11] <yoyodrago> Trying out puppy linux
[01:15] <kingx> thanks for the help guys, i got it work! I uninstalled the existing platform and it gave me an error saying it was in use by an app i removed the app as well
[01:15] <kingx> and then clicked update and it went through
[01:34] <k_sze> Is it at all normal that everytime I open the GNOME Tweaks app for the first time after logging in, I get a "Your session needs to be restarted for settings to take effect." message?
[01:45] <tomreyn> k_sze: i guess not normal, haven't seen this happen before.
[01:52] <wondows> wow suddenly the UI is all messed up... ugh I'm just pissed and had to come here say this :D
[01:53] <wondows> sucks when I get interrupted by more and more bs like this and can't do my work
[01:53] <wondows> I can't even open the screenshot tool or anything
[01:53] <wondows> the menu bars have all disappeared
[01:54] <wondows> when I move a window it leaves a ghost behind like in WIndows lol
[01:54] <tomreyn> !language | wondows
[01:55] <wondows> restarting is my only choice...
[01:56] <tomreyn> also none of this looks like a support question, are you just abusing #ubuntu as your personal web log?
[02:09] <mindofmateo> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu 18 where Location Services are enabled, and automatic date-time and time-zone are both enabled.  But when I change time zones, nothing happens, the time zone remains unchanged when viewing the output of `timedatectl`.
[02:10] <mindofmateo> Could this be a problem with NTP?
[02:16] <sarnold> mindofmateo: when you change timezones, you're not changing time; when ntp changes the time, it doesn't do anything with timezones
[02:16] <sarnold> mindofmateo: run date -u and compare against https://www.google.com/search?q=utc+time
[02:18] <mindofmateo> Alright, I didn't know if NTP dealt with timezones or not.  UTC is correctly synced
[02:28] <sarnold> mindofmateo: cool cool, then that narrows it down to "just" timezones :)
[02:29] <mindofmateo> :)   it *is* possible to just change it in the settings, that's not the issue.  I can make sure my tz is correct, but I just want to understand what isn't working when it says "auto update tz" is turned on.
[02:29] <sarnold> I don't understand how any of that works
[02:30] <sarnold> I remember reading once that it's done in part via a geolocation service, which means it's going to be .. iffy.
[02:31] <mindofmateo> I saw somewhere recently there was something like "geoclue" in /usr/bin/, but I have nothing like that name in there.
[02:33] <mindofmateo> I just looked at the manual for redshift, my config uses geoclue2, but I can't find anything about it on my system.  IDK if that's something internal to redshift or what.
[02:34] <tomreyn> on ubuntu 18.04, ubuntu-desktop depends on geoclue-2.0
[02:34] <sarnold> mindofmateo: try curl https://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup   -- see if that dumped xml looks like it's about right or not
[02:38] <mindofmateo> All of the information looks correct as far as I can tell
[02:38] <mindofmateo> tomreyn is geoclue-2.0 something I have to install?  because redshift seems to use it just fine, but apt doesn't say I have it installed
[02:39] <mindofmateo> *facepalm*  I retract that.  It *is* installed.
[02:39] <mindofmateo> Meaning, geoclue-2.0
[02:45] <sarnold> mindofmateo: hmm, I'm not sure :/ I've only ever done "click on your timezone" kinds of setups
[02:47] <mindofmateo> It's frustrating because all of the stackoverflow etc questions that I've found are unanswered or unresolved
[02:48] <mindofmateo> Jumping on IRC is always my last resort
[02:49] <lotuspsychje_> mindofmateo: this community friendly & helpful, irc should always be your first resort :p
[02:50] <sarnold> hehe
[02:50] <mindofmateo> Oh, it's been so helpful, for sure, I just don't want to come in asking questions unless I've RTFM and STFW first
[02:51] <sarnold> mindofmateo: what *does* timedatectl report? does it match what's set in /etc/timezone? Is that a symlink or a regular file?
[02:52] <mindofmateo> I'm checking.   /etc/timezone is a regular file
[02:54] <mindofmateo> termbin.com/wi2n  timedatectl shows that, and it is correct now because I manually set the time zone.  Previously, moments ago, everything was still correct, other than the top line, Local time.  That was still set to the previous time zone I was in.
[02:54] <mindofmateo> www.termbin.com/wi2n
[03:34] <k_sze> What is this about? https://imgur.com/a/DFgH3LR
[03:35] <k_sze> How do I know exactly which device it is talking about? There is no PCI address or hardware ID in the UI.
[03:37] <sarnold> k_sze: lspci | grep -i wireless   will probably the device in question
[03:37] <sarnold> k_sze: lspci -v should show which drivers are in use for which pieces of hardware, you should be able to spot an iwlwifi in that list
[03:40] <k_sze> ok
[03:41] <k_sze> which is odd
[03:41] <k_sze> I see the PCI address, and then I find it in the output of `lshw -C network` and it's not disabled.
[03:42] <k_sze> So I have no idea what "Software & Updates" is talking about when the preselected option is "Do not use the device".
[03:43] <k_sze> In fact, I *am* connected via wifi right now.
[03:49] <sarnold> heh,I wonder what it spotted
[04:02] <Lone_Wolf> I get that too
[04:16] <cgi> anyone here has used xdotool/xte/xvkbd - I need to automate a small firefox website sequence with keys
[04:27] <Mibix> I am getting npm ERR! cb() never called! when trying to install
[04:27] <Mibix> not finding many answers on how to fix
[04:27] <Mibix> im on 18.04
[04:27] <Mibix> trying to install meshcentral if it helps
[04:41] <Bashing-om> !info meshcentral bionic | Mibix
[06:30] <Autoeth> I have a new dell precision 7540 with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. It has been a long time since I used Linux. IT has dmesg errors in the log for hardware. Who would you suggest I contact to get some help?
[06:33] <monkeystance> Autoeth, does it boot?
[06:33] <Autoeth> https://pastebin.com/jDgzinMr
[06:33] <Autoeth> yes on it now.
[06:34] <monkeystance> are you having any issues with your wifi?
[06:35] <Autoeth> no doesn't seem like it. I know its showing one error in that area
[06:35] <monkeystance> can you paste your lsblk?
[06:35] <Autoeth> its brand new just booted
[06:36] <Autoeth> https://pastebin.com/fzgqXa9g
[06:37] <monkeystance> what's nvme0n1p2
[06:37] <Autoeth> already ran it through updates
[06:37] <monkeystance> is that meant to be your swap data?
[06:38] <Autoeth> I am unsure it came as you are seeing it. I would assume thats the harddrive
[06:38] <monkeystance> so your hard drive was split into 3 parts
[06:38] <monkeystance> the first part is 780MB, and that's just for booting up
[06:38] <monkeystance> that one is working fine
[06:38] <Autoeth> yeah i would guess so. From what I am seeing as well
[06:39] <monkeystance> the second one is 5GB but it doesn't seem like it is assigned to anything
[06:39] <Autoeth> how can i check ? maybe recovery from dell ?
[06:39] <monkeystance> and the third one is the rest of the 500GB and that is where everything is installed
[06:39] <Autoeth> unless thats the swap
[06:40] <monkeystance> no if it was swap it'd say swap as the mount point
[06:40] <Autoeth> oh ok.
[06:40] <Autoeth> the error is pointing to the p3
[06:41] <monkeystance> can you paste "cat /etc/fstab"
[06:41] <Autoeth> so the larger part
[06:42] <Autoeth> https://pastebin.com/Q1MPx385
[06:44] <monkeystance> so your install itself looks fine for the most part
[06:44] <monkeystance> (except the random 5gb)
[06:45] <monkeystance> I'm not super familiar with wifi drivers/firmware
[06:45] <monkeystance> but if you say it's working correctly, then I guess it's ok
[06:45] <Autoeth> you have any other ideas on the other errors.
[06:46] <Autoeth> Wonder if I should contact dell techsupport and make them aware of this ?
[06:46] <monkeystance> when you installed ubuntu did you check the option for proprietary firmware?
[06:46] <puff> Good evening.
[06:46] <monkeystance> hi puff
[06:47] <puff> I already have an ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS thumb drive, can I use that to install Ubuntu 18?
[06:47] <puff> Hm, and also to run gparted to shrink the windows partition?
[06:48] <Autoeth> I did not install it. It came from dell with Ubuntu. When you use the update client it has an option that is checked proprietary drivers
[06:48] <Autoeth> so i assuming it download and got what it needed during the update
[06:48] <monkeystance> dell shipped it with ubuntu already installed?
[06:48] <monkeystance> wow
[06:48] <Autoeth> yeah you can order it now
[06:48] <Autoeth> that way
[06:48] <monkeystance> that's really cool, didn't know about that
[06:48] <Autoeth> I know right
[06:48] <monkeystance> have you done a reboot after everything downloaded?
[06:49] <Autoeth> except you would think they would of worked this out.
[06:49] <Autoeth> yes it did reboot several times
[06:50] <monkeystance> I guess you could call them
[06:50] <monkeystance> puff, you'll need to download the new iso
[06:50] <monkeystance> but you can definitely use the old thumb drive to adjust partitions and to copy the iso directly onto a usb
[06:52] <puff> Hm, on second thought this thumb drive seems stuck in read only mode.
[06:52] <puff> But it looks like it doesn't have any personal data on it, so I can just wipe it.
[06:53] <puff> monkeystance: Thanks.
[06:53] <monkeystance> are you currently on the ubuntu 16.04.5 release?
[06:53] <puff> startup disk creator seems to be having no problems.
[06:53] <puff> monkeystance: Yeah.
[06:53] <puff> monkeystance: Just bought a new laptop, installing 18 on that and then I'll migrate personal files over, then wipe the old one.
[06:53] <monkeystance> do you have a separate /home partition?
[06:54] <monkeystance> it makes it a lot easier to manage personal files, as well as to do system upgrades with a lot less of a headache
[06:55] <monkeystance> idk if the default installer advises you to do that by default
[06:58] <puff> monkeystance: I used to do that, didn't last time I installed.
[06:59] <monkeystance> it's a really good habit to get into
[07:01] <puff> Yeah.
[07:01] <puff> I thought LVM was all the rage these days.
[07:05] <ravustaja> My shortcut "Move window to right monitor" is not working. I wonder why. Move left works just fine
[07:15] <puff> Any common gotchas to installing these days?
[07:23] <monkeystance> puff, accidentally wiping the wrong hard drive is always at the top of the list
[07:59] <puff> monkeystance: Thanks, and now my new laptop has Ubuntu on it, whee!
[07:59] <monkeystance> nice!
[08:02] <puff> Hm, I'm installing the xubuntu-desktop package and it's asking me to pick which of the two display managers to make the default, adm3 or lightdm.
[08:07] <monkeystance> puff, you can always change it later
[08:18] <DarwinElf> on 18.04.3, I'm not able to use the sound from my system-/logic-/main-/mother-board (Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI.)  I've seen people post questions they had problems with that type of board or similar, but solutions were only described for much older versions of Ubuntu... what should I try?
[09:02] <quarterback> When computer locks itself after some time, the login screen doesn't work. After I enter the password, the computer locks without doing anything. The login prompt is not shown again in ubuntu. Is there a fix for this?
[09:03] <quarterback> The screen just stays locked.This is in ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[09:05] <quarterback> This problem occurs only when computer is left alone for hours rather than minutes.
[09:06] <legreffier> quarterback: is it going in sleep mode ?
[09:07] <quarterback> legreffier, Seems so but scren is visible and the screen shows that display is locked.
[09:07] <legreffier> quarterback: on many hardware, sleep mode just won't wake up or crash upon
[09:08] <legreffier> i meant sleep not just with screensaver, more like soft hibernation
[09:08] <quarterback> legreffier, The login prompt is shown just once. After I enter the correct password, it just disappears and the screen stays locked. The only way to get out of this is with hard reset.
[09:09] <quarterback> If I hit the ESC key, the screen should display login prompt which it doesn't.
[09:10] <legreffier> it might have kept some log in /var/log/messages , can you paste one on pastebin ? (not the current one, a previous run one , should be suffixed with log.1, 2, 3, ... )
[09:10] <quarterback> legreffier, It is going into suspend mode and doesn't come out of it with a login prompt.
[09:12] <quarterback> there is no /var/log/messages folder
[09:12] <legreffier> what's your environment ?
[09:13] <legreffier> can it wake up when you manually put it to suspend ?
[09:13] <quarterback> gnome flashback with compiz on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Intel core2duo, 4 GB ram
[09:13] <legreffier> core 2 duo ?
[09:13] <legreffier> is it a laptop ?
[09:13] <quarterback> legreffier, If I manually lock it, it unlocks properly.It is a older desktop.
[09:14] <legreffier> not locking it, suspending it
[09:14] <quarterback> legreffier, Let me check suspending manually.
[09:16] <legreffier> :(
[09:19] <quarterback> legreffier, you are right. Resuming after suspend doesn't work. The computer stays locked even after login. The login prompt doesn't appear again. I just see the wallpaper and a lock icon with username on top right.
[09:20] <quarterback> This seems like soft hibernation without actual powerdown. The same thing happens with sleep mode in which HDD is powered down.
[09:20] <legreffier> graphical drivers might have a hardtime waking up , especially on legacy hardware
[09:20] <legreffier> if that's a desktop, you probably don't want it to sleep
[09:21] <quarterback> Is there a fix for this?
[09:21] <legreffier> easiest is disabling it.
[09:21] <fChanX> Hey
[09:22] <quarterback> legreffier, This seems like a but in ubuntu.
[09:22] <quarterback> legreffier, This seems like a bug in ubuntu.
[09:23] <legreffier> what kind of gpu are you using ?
[09:23] <legreffier> the bug might be on vendor side as those drivers are often non-free
[09:24] <legreffier> both nvidia and ati have opensource and GPL'd counterpart, they're not as efficient but might deal better with power management
[09:24] <legreffier> you can try disabling proprietary driver.
[09:25] <legreffier> in both case, you might have a hard time fixing those as ~10 y/o gears won't get a lot of support
[09:26] <legreffier> you might be better off disabling suspend features
[09:27] <quarterback> legreffier, Is this problem fixed with gnome wayland? This occurs with gnome flashback.
[09:27] <quarterback> legreffier, It may work without the proprietary driver.
[09:28] <legreffier> i don't think gnome wayland or X is in cause there.
[09:28] <quarterback> legreffier, How do I disable proprietary driver?
[09:28] <legreffier> you should have an option in system setting
[09:29] <legreffier> i don't have a ubuntu setup with me, I won't be able to describe reliably
[09:29] <legreffier> this should be described on wiki though
[09:30] <quarterback> legreffier, The settings are not visible in this. THey were visible in gnome 3 latest.
[09:31] <quarterback> legreffier, I changed BIOS to dpms sometime ago for power saving. Is this the cause?
[09:32] <legreffier> give it a try
[09:32] <quarterback> legreffier, Let me try disabling dpms and change it to something else. Perhaps its the cause with bad driver.
[09:49] <quarterback> legreffier, It seems to have worked.  However suspend doesn't resume with keyboard or mouse movement. Suspend only resumes with power switch.
[09:50] <quarterback> I had change bios settings.
[09:54] <quarterback> There is no suspend option in gnome latest.
[09:55] <quarterback> Let me try if it wakes up normally in this GUI
[10:01] <DarwinElf> on 18.04.3, I'm not able to use the sound from my system-/logic-/main-/mother-board (Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI.)  I've seen people post questions they had problems with that type of board or similar, but solutions were only described for much older versions of Ubuntu... what should I try?  It was working before... not after some past kernel upgrade (though don't know which)
[10:19] <interrobangd> the update-manager (gnome application) delete always the package list of package that are on hold (apt-mark showhold)
[10:19] <interrobangd> ... BUG?
[10:22] <interrobangd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1586468
[10:22] <interrobangd> yes
[10:24] <interrobangd> ... its another bug, but similar
[10:24] <amitprakash> How do I package a custom build of kernel for PPA?
[10:24] <amitprakash> Speficially, the kernel is built for a single set of hardware and includes firmware blobs
[10:25] <amitprakash> nm, asking in deve
[10:46] <quarterback> legreffier, I changed suspend type from stop grant to power on suspend
[11:45] <vlt> Hello. I observe a weird problem with Ubuntu and chromium. After logging in to a new (MATE) session I can only type some special characters *in chromium* while in all other tools I tested (pluma, firefox, thunderbird, terminal ...) any char works. But: Each char I typed somewhere *before opening* chromium works there as well.
[11:46] <vlt> Any idea how to fix this?
[12:13] <mknepper> Hello, I found a bug on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and I'd like to report it. gnome-screenshot, if using the command line arguments, does not send its data to the clipboard. Just thought I'd report on this. :)
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> mknepper: join #ubuntu+1 please
[12:14] <mknepper> thank you
[12:15] <sruli> Hi, on 18.04 my /boot is full,  "dpkg -l | grep -E 'linux-image-[0-9]+' | grep -Fv $(uname -r)" shows me a list of about 30 with "rc" however many of them are are still in /boot/ how do i remove them? I do not want to use autoremove as its showing that it will remove many packages that i still use (such as sshfs and others)
[12:15] <Miles8of9> but... 20.04 will be released on april... Oo
[12:16] <sruli> also autoremove is only showing that it will remove 1 kernel version
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: support still in #ubuntu+1 till final release
[12:18] <mknepper> I know, i'm trying to find bugs before release and help out
[12:26] <sruli> any ideas on how to remove old kernels in 18.04?
[12:32] <rory> sruli: if these are all updates that came via the normal apt upgrade, you can just use "apt autoremove" command, you should see the old kernel packages in the list
[12:34] <sruli> rory: auto remove shows that it will remove some packages that i still use (such as sshfs) also it only shows that it will remove 1 version of kernel, i have about 10 in /boot that are old and not listed in auto remove however dpkg shows then with "rc"
[12:35] <rory> you might have to explicitly "apt remove" these packages
[12:36] <sruli> ok, i will try
[12:40] <sruli> its not deleting the files from /boot
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> sruli: bleachbit to the rescue
[13:44] <sruli> lotuspsychje: bleachbit? is that not a gui pkg?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> sruli: its a gui, but you can also clean system command line
[13:45] <sruli> i'll check it, thanks
[13:53] <lighterowl> hi there. I set GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE to 'hidden' in /etc/default/grub and GRUB_TIMEOUT to 5 and ran update-grub, but the menu still appears instead of being hidden until a key is pressed. what gives?
[13:54] <sruli> lighterowl: are you dual booting?
[13:54] <lighterowl> sruli: I am, yes.
[13:54] <lighterowl> it's an EFI system, if that makes a difference.
[13:54] <sruli> lighterowl: you got to chnage some more config, 1 min will check
[13:54] <lighterowl> oh.
[13:57] <sruli> lighterowl: in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober "set timeout_style=menu" change "menu" to "hidden". update-grub
[13:58] <lighterowl> well that's new.
[13:58] <lighterowl> thanks sruli
[13:59] <sruli> lighterowl: its not new, for dual boot i knew about it at least since 16.04 if not 14,04
[13:59] <lighterowl> lighterowl: oh yeah, I meant "unexpected". :)
[13:59] <lighterowl> damn
[13:59] <lighterowl> sruli: that was for you.
[13:59] <lighterowl> rotfl talking to myself
[14:00] <sruli> lighterowl: if you want to set your timeout to 0 in grub you will need to update os-prober
[14:00] <sruli> if [ "\${timeout}" = 0 ]; then
[14:00] <sruli>   set timeout=10
[14:01] <lighterowl> strange that os-prober is free to modify so many settings from /etc/default/grub, which I expect would take precedence.
[14:02] <sruli> lighterowl: os-prober is for when there is more then 1 boot option, these are not really dealt with in default grub
[14:03] <lighterowl> I see.
[14:13] <sruli> for past 2 months i cant get GSconnect extension to work, when i try to install from extensions.gnome.org all i get is "ERROR" in web page, any ideas how to trouble shoot this?
[14:14] <sruli> ^^ when i click on GSconnect settings in web page i get this output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vJch2GbVbK/
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> sruli: bugs about the extension itself, best to forward to the specific maintainer
[14:29] <uzee> Hi, has anything changed on the Ubuntu preseed installation? I've using the same netboot image and a preseed file for Ubuntu 18 but for some reason its failing today and I see a message "mirror does not have any suite symlinks"
[14:30] <uzee> I tried the solution suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choose-mirror/+bug/600789 and changed 'mirror' to 'choose-mirror' but still failing
[14:40] <__raven_> lotuspsychje: regarding my issue with missing displays after upgrade. what did you want me to try or find out?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> __raven_: im sorry, i dont recall your issue anymore, can you re-ask into the channel please?
[14:41] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[14:42] <__raven_> update to 19.10 disabled multi monitor mode using two monitors on nvidia and additional two on internal intel915 onboard.c how to expand nvidia view to internal graphics again?
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> __raven_: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && nvidia-smi please?
[14:51] <Phruis`> with nautilus sftp connection any way to run a sudo su on it?
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis`: There is not a way to escalate privleges in the SFTP browser of Nautilus
[14:54] <Phruis`> gotcha so only other option is login as root?
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis`: Use a dedicated SFTP clinet program that supports privelege escalation
[14:54] <Phruis`> pragmaticenigma, are you aware of one?
[14:55] <Phruis`> pragmaticenigma, i am willing to use the command line if i can still get the file system options
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> I believe FileZilla can... I'm not sure how to do it though
[14:55] <Phruis`> ok
[14:55] <Phruis`> thanks
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis`: the other option would be to SSH to the system and copy the file to a directory the SFTP user has access to, and change the permissions on the copied file for the SFTP to access
[14:59] <Phruis`> pragmaticenigma, yeah true
[15:01] <uzee> asking again, in case it got missed
[15:01] <uzee> Hi, has anything changed on the Ubuntu preseed installation? I've using the same netboot image and a preseed file for Ubuntu 18 but for some reason its failing today and I see a message "mirror does not have any suite symlinks"
[15:01] <uzee> I tried the solution suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choose-mirror/+bug/600789 and changed 'mirror' to 'choose-mirror' in the preseed file but still failing
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> !YY.MM | uzee
[15:03] <uzee> pragmaticenigma: my bad, the netboot image is 18.04, the preseed file does not specify the release, the mirror lines just have ubuntu
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> uzee: Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with Preseed, though #ubuntu-server might have other individuals there that may have more experience with handling preseed
[15:07] <uzee> After about 20-25 minutes I also see a warning in the ALt+F4 console saying: mirror does not support the specified release (bionic)
[15:07] <uzee> ah ok, thanks so much, will ask there
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> uzee: Just make sure you always specify the full version numbers
[15:08] <uzee> yep :) doing that right now
[15:08] <__raven_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZD73DR6SVf/ lotuspsychje
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> __raven_: other drivers show in; ubuntu-drivers list please?
[15:14] <__raven_> lotuspsychje: active ("tested") nvidia-driver-390, already tried nvidia-340. that's it
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> __raven_: does xrandr show all your screens?
[15:19] <__raven_> lotuspsychje: yes
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> __raven_: xrandr --auto does anything?
[15:23] <urth> We have a build pipeline using a ubuntu:xenial image that installs some dev packages, does some non-apt related stuff, and then removes a subset of the installed packages. Except recently it started to purge packages that have installed on the commandline. Anyone have a clue what can cause this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/McxWzHysgc/
[15:24] <urth> packages that are manually installed are included in the purge where previously they would not be
[15:29] <__raven_> lotuspsychje: no nothing :/
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> __raven_: have you tryed a liveusb to compare yet?
[15:30] <__raven_> not yet. will try it next
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> urth: I believe it is a dependency relationship between python3-dev and libmysqlclient-dev... or the removal of gcc which I'm not sure why you would do that
[15:37] <urth> sorry, it's part of a pipeline but the result is build into a new image, that's why gcc is removed.
[15:39] <urth> but still, libmysqlclient-dev is manually installed, I wouldn't expect it to be considered for removal
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> urth: libmysqlclient-dev depends on libssl-dev which you are removing
[15:40] <urth> ah, that's it, thank you !
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> urth: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libmysqlclient-dev
[16:02] <subcool> Ok - more fun with BT. How come with a BT speaker is connected. AND SET AS DEFAULT SOUND. I have to goto the sounds setting, and not just goto devices and confirm it is the default output location. ALSO goto APPLICATIONS and CHOOSE which APP is using what sound output and DEFINE IT THERE. - THEN if the BT speaker disconnects. the Applicaion CONTINUES to use that DISCONNECTED device as its sound choice- even after reboot. I have to goto t
[16:02] <subcool> he settings and choose a new/different output destination before disconnecting the BT speaker - otherwise i lose sound.
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> subcool: If it was me at this point... I'd given up on BT and plugged in a cord
[16:06] <subcool> pragmaticenigma: i do sometimtes. thhe JBL speaker i have dropssound iff tthhe audio goess to low
[16:07] <subcool> and my keybooar is  a rrere
[16:07] <__raven_> lotuspsychje: 19.10 live is able to use all 4 displays separately
[16:07] <__raven_> any way of copying any settings?
[16:14] <aguitel> xubuntu or lubuntu is more light for old netbook ?
[16:15] <sruli> aguitel: in my exprienace lubuntu
[16:16] <aguitel> sruli: this es aspire one D260 intel atom n450 with 1gb ram
[16:18] <oerheks> there is also mate, pretty lightweight too
[16:19] <sruli> aguitel: lubuntu should run just fine on it
[16:19] <aguitel> sruli: will try now
[16:19] <cybertruck2077> 1gb?  I don't know about that, man
[16:20] <sruli> from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_18.04_LTS "System requirements for Lubuntu 18.04 LTS included a minimum of 1 GB of  RAM, although 2 GB was recommended for better performance"
[16:24] <cybertruck2077> @skruli thanks!  Won't it get a bit crashy?
[16:26] <sruli> cybertruck2077: depends on applications used... from lubuntu.net "The recommended "lubuntu Desktop" from version 15.04 onwards is 1 GB of  RAM. For Internet services like Facebook, Youtube, and Google Docs about  1 GB RAM are needed. For local programs like Libre Office and simple  browsing habits 512 MB RAM are usually sufficient. For PCs with less  resources, there are alternative lubuntu installers on the download  pages, that provide
[16:26] <sruli>  a basic running system for those systems."
[16:26] <cybertruck2077> I had a low RAM notebook I bought recently and installed Manjaro on it, would just up and stall the OS if you did anything intense.
[16:27] <cybertruck2077> That's impressive
[16:27] <sruli> i use lubuntu on some of my powerfull PC's to get teh OS to use as little resources as possible
[16:29] <cybertruck2077> nice
[16:32] <sruli> thatone
[16:38] <shjagohsgusdhjg> I've added a vpn via the network manager. I'm now remote from that machine. Anyone have a doc detailing how I can connect to that vpn from the cli?
[16:39] <leftyfb> shjagohsgusdhjg: nmcli con up id <vpn profile name>
[16:44] <shjagohsgusdhjg> leftyfb thanks, sadly, not quite the same as using the network manager, but should work.
[16:45] <al2o3-cr> huh?
[16:45] <leftyfb> shjagohsgusdhjg: since NM truncates the profile names, it is completely unusable to me for the vpn's I use at owkr. So I only use the command line anyway
[16:45] <leftyfb> work*
[16:46] <al2o3-cr> leftyfb: nmtui?
[16:47] <leftyfb> al2o3-cr: I guess that's another way. It's quicker for me to just use nmcli for my needs though
[16:47] <al2o3-cr> leftyfb: fair play.
[16:50] <subcool> seriously - why do i have to manually tell my computer whiich program to use BT sounds with- instead of just clicking DEFAULT
[16:54] <cybertruck2077> is there any special drivers/software I have to install in 19.10 if I use an ATI card?
[16:54] <cybertruck2077> I'd very much like to play some Dota 2 on it.
[16:55] <tomreyn> cybertruck2077: the default drivers should just work, and there are no others which coud work really.
[16:55] <oerheks> what ati card? the older ones just need the openradeon driver
[16:55] <EriC^^> cybertruck2077: "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" should list the recommended drivers
[16:56] <tomreyn> "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" would list applicable *proprietary* drivers, which aren't necessarily the recommended drivers.
[16:56] <tomreyn> but in this case no proprietary drivers should be available anyways.
[16:58] <cybertruck2077> Ah OK, it's a 570?
[16:59] <oerheks> !ati
[16:59] <cybertruck2077> That's weird, sudo ubuntu-drivers devices doesn't show anything
[16:59] <oerheks> see if you need amdgpu-pro
[17:00] <unimatrix9> hello all
[17:00] <cybertruck2077> ok I'll check it out
[17:01] <tomreyn> not weird, sonce you don't need proprietary drivers for "AMD Radeon RX 570" (which is not "ATI 570")
[17:01] <unimatrix9> i made a snap for an application, now , i build it on fossa ( unstable ) , is it maybe a better idea to build it after fossa is launched official ?
[17:01] <unimatrix9> any thoughts are welcome
[17:02] <tomreyn> unimatrix9: /join #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:02] <tomreyn> and / or #snappy
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> subcool: BT and PulseAudio are two completely independent systems. I have to guess that there is a "shim" right now to get them to talk to each other. I would expect it to take some time before things are as fluid as you're expecting them to be. Since you're original support issue appears to have been resolved, I'd encourage further discussion in the #ubuntu-discuss channel
[17:05] <subcool> i wouldnt call it resolved. but ill go with 'not getting fixed"
[17:06] <subcool> Thanks though
[17:13] <e|f> Hi. I've just wiped an ACER laptop and installed Kubuntu LTS on it. At boot the grub screen won't show. It just goes into a loop. Any suggestions on a fix?
[17:14] <subcool> e|f: EFI or MBR - Is your Bios setup for Secureboot? or Legacy. Do you have GPT - after that. im kinda uselss
[17:15] <subcool> (but i do run into that often)
[17:16] <EriC^^> e|f: do you know if you installed in uefi mode or not?
[17:18] <isomari> greetings, after creating a interface file for my bonding, the bond interface shows that it's down. it also shows no carrier. any suggestions?
[18:29] <woenx> Hi. I am trying to capture video from a v4l2 device (in order to record VHS to my pc. I am using OBS Studio for that. However, audio and video are out of sync. Can anybody recommend me another software capable of recording from a v4l2?
[18:29] <woenx> (if I play the VHS tape connected to a tv, there is no delay, so it's either the capture device, or the OBS studio software)
[18:32] <woenx> (Oh, I just realized VLC can capture from devices, I'll try that)\
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> woenx: recording software crossing my mind are vlc, kazam en recordmydesktop
[18:38] <woenx> Mmm, I can't seem to make VLC capture audio
[18:39] <woenx> the audio device is set to hw:1,0, but then it complains that it can't find /home/user/hw%3A1%2C0
[18:39] <cybertruck2077> mmm...that amdgpu-pro script isn't compatible with 19.10 it seems
[18:39] <cybertruck2077> and I don't appear to have hardware accelleration in Dota 2 with this RX 570
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> cybertruck2077: script?
[18:40] <EriC^^> cybertruck2077: what does "lshw -c video" give?
[18:41] <cybertruck2077> I spoke too soon lol
[18:41] <cybertruck2077> I had the wrong monitor, my Rx 570 is on the left hand one, right hand is an integrated Intel one
[18:42] <cybertruck2077> Installed Vulkan in Dota 2, works like a charm, thank you
[18:42] <woenx> Ohh, it needs to be alsa://hw:1,0 instead of just hw:1,0
[18:42] <woenx> why isn't that way by default?
[18:49] <woenx> Ok, the audio/video is synced in VLC. therefore it's a problem with OBC studio.
[18:49] <woenx> OBS Studio*
[19:03] <corshmock> Does anyone ever experience, mouse clicks, left or right becoming unresponsive in 18.04?  I've tried different mice.  Sometimes unplugging and reinserting does the trick, other time logging out and logging back in works.  The mouse pointer continues to move around the screen without any issues even when the clicks stop working.  If it was windows, I'd probably mess with drivers in device manager, but being a newbie on Linux, I wouldn't k
[19:03] <corshmock> now how to reinstall drivers.  Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks
[19:06] <compdoc> corshmock, Ive had odd things like that happen with my usb ports. right now, my mouse is working because its plugged into a powered usb hub
[19:06] <compdoc> just stopped working in the PCs usb port
[19:07] <corshmock> compdoc: that's interesting mate.  I wonder if a powered usb hub might do the trick.
[19:07] <compdoc> I wonder if theres a fuse on the motherboard that needs reset
[19:07] <corshmock> I'd love to know a way to fix it.  This linux is great until something goes wrong.  Then it's a b@stard to fix :)
[19:07] <compdoc> I have an amazon basic usb3 powered hub. only 4 ports
[19:08] <oerheks> mouse.. in what port, usb with blue? = usb3
[19:08] <compdoc> a black port would be best
[19:09] <oerheks> preferrably, yes
[19:27] <corshmock>  I'm fairly sure I've had the same issue on different 18.04 builds - same laptop though.
[19:28] <DSdavidDS> Hello friends! I need some help with my ubuntu install booting into an intel agent
[19:30] <wingedrhino> I suppose this has already been asked but why isn't cdimage.ubuntu.com available via HTTPS? This isn't the easiest thing to google due to the keywords involved.....
[19:30] <leftyfb> DSdavidDS: "booting into an intel agent" ... what does this mean exactly?
[19:31] <corshmock> Theoretically, a non powered usb mouse should work.  I was hoping someone would have a fix.  Not fun to have an issue that no one else experiences.  I've seen cases of it on the web, but never a proper fix unfortunately.
[19:32] <oerheks> on some systems; The Intel® Boot Agent is seen by the host computer as a boot device. solution: move it in your bios, to the end of the boot list
[19:33] <DSdavidDS> leftyfb: I think it has to do with my old bios or something. I see that it created a /boot/efi partition and a normal system partition. When I boot from my intel bios, it doesnt know what to do with the very first boot option
[19:33] <DSdavidDS> oerheks: this bios is completely locked/stripped down so I can't change anything in bios setup =/
[19:34] <leftyfb> DSdavidDS: why is it locked down?
[19:34] <DSdavidDS> custom firmware I guess.
[19:34] <DSdavidDS> I can press F11 on boot to manually choose what to boot from, but I'd like to understand this problem.
[19:34] <leftyfb> DSdavidDS: maybe contact the manufacturer of your device? This isn't really an issue related to Ubuntu.
[19:35] <DSdavidDS> I used to use 14.04 on this system and I noticed that it is fine when booting from a single ext4 partition
[19:35] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: it has to do with the uefi
[19:35] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: are you booted into ubuntu right now?
[19:35] <DSdavidDS> but ubuntu 19.04 seems to create an additional efi boot part which is confusing my system
[19:35] <DSdavidDS> yes I am
[19:35] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[19:35] <EriC^^> paste the link here
[19:36] <leftyfb> DSdavidDS: Ubuntu 19.04 is EOL. You should be running 18.04 or 19.10. I recommend the former.
[19:37] <DSdavidDS> sorry, I meant 19.10
[19:40] <DSdavidDS> EriC^^http://termbin.com/4vx1
[19:41] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo efibootmgr -o 0004,0000,0001,000E,000F,0002
[19:43] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: if that doesn't work, and you cant access your bios to change the boot order there, your other option is to populate the standard efi locations in /boot/efi in case it searches for them, might as well do it right now
[19:43] <DSdavidDS> is that command changing the flash on my bios?
[19:43] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: no, it's changing the uefi boot order that's saved in the NVRAM
[19:45] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/{boot,microsoft/boot}
[19:45] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[19:45] <DSdavidDS> how can I change the partition in a way so that it directly boots from P5: SanDisk SD8SBAT128G1122?
[19:46] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[19:46] <DSdavidDS> or does latest ubuntu not support legacy boot methods anymore?
[19:46] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: i dont think any of that is legacy, that's all uefi entries, no ubuntu still supports legacy
[19:47] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: are you scared to run the efibootmgr command?
[19:47] <DSdavidDS> nah, I just ran it. I didn't change anything
[19:47] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: what do you mean? you rebooted and still no grub?
[19:48] <DSdavidDS> yep. I also pressed F11 and the devices are in the previous order too
[19:49] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: ah ok, try to create those std /boot/efi dirs and copy the ubuntu shimx64 file there, that might let it boot using P5....blabla since it might look in those standard locations
[19:49] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/{boot,microsoft/boot}
[19:49] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[19:49] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[19:49] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/grubx64.efi
[19:49] <EriC^^> run the above commands then try rebooting again
[19:50] <DSdavidDS> I should have mentioned this earlier but I am currently installing using a modified ubuntu image
[19:50] <EriC^^> no worries
[19:50] <EriC^^> same deak
[19:50] <EriC^^> *deal
[19:51] <DSdavidDS> I changed a few preseeds so that the install is completely automatated but I may have gotten the auto-partman part wrong
[19:51] <DSdavidDS> but let me first try those commands and see what happens
[19:52] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: if you pastebin 'sudo parted -ls' i could verify it's up to uefi specs
[19:53] <DSdavidDS> just restarted xP
[19:53] <DSdavidDS> nope, intel boot agent
[19:53] <EriC^^> dang
[19:53] <DSdavidDS> think it has to do with the bios being locked down?
[19:54] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: maybe, but i think we might be able to screw it still
[19:54] <DSdavidDS> this is unlike any bios i've seen before but I need my image to work across a variety of PCs so I need to solve this issue
[19:54] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: we could try to disable the IBA entry and the other that's before ubuntu, you could enable them back whenever you want
[19:55] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: uefi is going to be a PITA if you want some universal installer for different spec PCs
[19:55] <EriC^^> i'd definitely go legacy cause each manufacturer has implementations and qwirks and whatnot
[19:55] <EriC^^> not a install and on my way kind of thing
[19:55] <DSdavidDS> I think I'd like to do that.
[19:56] <DSdavidDS> so I just need to configure partman to install legacy?
[19:56] <EriC^^> i guess, i cant be much help here, no experience with it at all
[19:56] <DSdavidDS> btw I see the windows bootmanager now
[19:56] <DSdavidDS> but it isn't the default entry. it's 6th on the list
[19:57] <DSdavidDS> if I recall correctly yesterday, my install with an official ubuntu image ran perfectly fine
[19:57] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: i think you'll have to run the installer in legacy mode as usual, and ubuntu will install in legacy mode? not sure if that's the case for custom installers though
[19:58] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: on the same PC?
[19:58] <DSdavidDS> yes, same PC
[19:58] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: maybe the bios is finicky and wants the efi flag on the efi partition?
[19:59] <DSdavidDS> I am installing a official image right now to verify uefi works
[19:59] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: in any case, if you're going to be installing on different spec pc's and want an easy way, use legacy
[19:59] <DSdavidDS> how do I know if a partition is legacy? is it the partition type?
[19:59] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: ok, run "sudo efibootmgr -v" from there once you boot it and compare
[20:01] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: it's not really like that, you have to boot in legacy mode and the installer will install grub-pc which is legacy
[20:02] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: for ubuntu, it can use GPT partition tables (which were made for uefi) even for legacy, or the standard legacy partition table aka "msdos"
[20:02] <EriC^^> basically if you have a lot of partitions you'll want GPT, or if you need to have 2TB+ partitions
[20:03] <EriC^^> in that case you'll need a "bios_boot" partition for legacy to work with GPT, otherwise just let it create a msdos partition table, with standard partitions and it'll be good to go
[20:03] <DSdavidDS> btw I really appreciate the help so far.
[20:03] <EriC^^> no problem
[20:04] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: btw, a way to know if you booted in legacy or uefi mode in the installer is to run "ls /sys/firmware/efi" if it returns no such dir then it's legacy
[20:05] <EriC^^> also, usually the uefi booted installer gives a grub menu for the 'try ubuntu' etc menu, whereas the legacy booted installer has a nice menu in the middle of the screen
[20:05] <DSdavidDS> okay, I can verify that that file does not exist on my 14.04 system
[20:06] <DSdavidDS> so I think legacy is my answer
[20:06] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: you mean you have it backed up?
[20:06] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: /sys/firmware/efi gets created at boot time, it's a temporary "virtual" filesystem
[20:07] <DSdavidDS> I have 2 identical systems with me right now
[20:07] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: if you want to know if the 14.04 was efi enabled, you could check /etc/fstab for any /boot/efi entries there
[20:10] <codebam> how do I set up the login user for vsftpd?
[20:10] <codebam> I tried `passwd ftp` and changing the password for the ftp user, but it won't let me login
[20:10] <azeam> On Ubuntu 20.04 since yesterday a dist-upgrade wants to remove some important packages, including alsa-utils gnome-software ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-minimal ubuntu-drivers-common ubuntu-software, is it just for me?
[20:10] <codebam> it's saying login incorrect
[20:10] <codebam> I don't understand how I add users
[20:12] <oerheks> codebam, what guide do you follow?
[20:12] <codebam> ah fixed it, had to add nologin
[20:12] <codebam> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/ftp-server.html
[20:12] <codebam> had to add nologin to /etc/shells
[20:12] <codebam> then it worked
[20:13] <Kiwis> Hi guys
[20:13] <Kiwis> I have installed Ondrej PHP 7.3 but I'm not able to load other extentions in it
[20:13] <ToraxMalu> hi
[20:14] <ToraxMalu> I've a little trouble to update a machine with ubuntu 17.04 to 18.04LTS
[20:14] <ToraxMalu> and yes - the damn machine wasn't ever updated by my previous admin-colleague
[20:15] <DSdavidDS> EriC^^ http://termbin.com/xbu1c
[20:16] <DSdavidDS> so I guess this system simply doesnt do UEFI well
[20:16] <DSdavidDS> I think my solution is to stick with legacy
[20:18] <EriC^^> DSdavidDS: you probably need to change some setting in the BIOS for it to work, sometimes just setting the admin password reveals extra options, acer does that alot, but yeah i'd go with legacy for mass production for sure
[20:34] <halt> Hey All, I'm running the latest Ubuntu on my laptop, and the battery isn't in the best shape, I should do a battery formatting, ( full discharge / full charge cycle, what would be the right tool to do this with in Ubuntu ?
[20:38] <tatertots> lol
[20:38] <tatertots> battery "format" eh?
[20:39] <tatertots> just unplug the A/C adapter from the wall...let the battery die
[20:41] <elias_a> halt: Check https://www.simplified.guide/linux/view-battery-information
[20:42] <elias_a> halt: If the capacity has gone down the reason is usually one or two dead cells. Unfortunately this means the battery needs to be replaced or refurbished.
[20:42] <halt> tatertots: the system will turn off before the battery is dead,plus that's not really a safe method
[20:43] <halt> elias_a: I don't need to see it, I mean that I can do like 2-3 different ways, the part I'm missing the set status, so that it's discharging even with AC plugged in
[20:44] <sarnold> you could reboot into memtest86 or something
[20:45] <sarnold> probably that doesn't do anything intelligent and will run battery all the way to zero
[20:45] <halt> I have an OK battery status, but it's recommended to do formatting after every 30-40 charge cycle, to make sure that it will remain to be good, and that's what I'm trying to do
[20:45] <elias_a> halt: Disconnect the battery and use a multimeter to measure the voltage. Refer to battery specification.
[20:46] <elias_a> halt: What chemistry does the battery have?
[20:46] <halt> sarnold: that is an interesting workaround, but I know that's it's possible to to do better, I even done it myself before, but recenlty lost my bash history and I can't find the command
[20:47] <halt> Under windows the manufacture provide tooling, for it, but in Linux I had to fall back to cli, just can't find / remember the commands
[20:48] <azeam> while on the subject of battery: not sure if it's a hardware issue but for some time (since 19.10 and also in clear linux, but not <19.10) my HP laptop reports a battery capacity_design of ~20Wh (it varies a bit from time to time), but it is actually a 41Wh battery
[20:50] <halt> elias_a: honestly I would have to look up, as right now I have no clue, I know that the manufacture maintenance guide recommend it, so I'm looking for some command and not some hw hack, but I appropriate your hands on approach, maybe I even could discharge it with a resistor
[20:51] <halt> but again I'm pretty sure, that I can just tell the OS, hey discharge this battery
[20:51] <sarnold> halt: there's some writable files in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 that might be what you used to use
[20:51] <elias_a> halt: IMHO you are making a problem of something that is not a problem. Additional reading: https://batteryuniversity.com
[20:52] <halt> Yeah I have BAT0 and BAT1 as well, it's a hot swap-able battery system they call it power bridge
[20:52] <halt> but I will check if I can edit it easy, might be simple as that
[20:52] <elias_a> halt: The built in electronics of present batteries take care of proper charge/discharge if the cells are ok. When a cell dies you are out of luck.
[20:54] <elias_a> halt: I am saying this from a experienced hobbyist point of view. I have built numerous battery packs and also refurbished laptop batteries.
[20:54] <oerheks> nothing linux can do to revive batteries.
[20:54] <oerheks> and they are cheap nowadays, replacement.
[20:55] <halt> OK power cycle now, so afk, thanks for the tips all
[20:55] <azeam> would a dead cell affect the reported design capacity?
[20:59] <elias_a> azeam: No, it affects the measured actual capacity.
[20:59] <azeam> elias_a: ok, so it seems like a software bug then
[21:01] <elias_a> azeam: Yes - but the bug is in the sw of the battery most likely. :)
[21:02] <ph88> how can i start my own ppa ?
[21:02] <oerheks> no, a bad cell would affect design capacity, so what has software to do with it?
[21:04] <azeam> oerheks: if it does, how come the reported design capacity varies from ~20 - 22 Wh over time? Sometimes the current capacity is higher than the design capacity
[21:04] <oerheks> ph88 https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA is a good start
[21:05] <ph88> do i need VM's for different versions of ubuntu to build for different versions ?
[21:06] <oerheks> azeam, interesting, 'if it does".. your chipset is responsible for reading, so you cannot tell those readings are correct then
[21:08] <elias_a> oerheks: You are partly wrong. Design capacity is a value given from the firmware of the battery when asked.
[21:09] <ducasse> ph88: no, the building is done on launchpad
[21:09] <azeam> oerheks: so you think it's a matter of bad battery and not software related, a replacement battery would sort it? I don't mind buying a new if it helps but it's a <2 years old laptop and the capacity went from 41Wh to 20ish Wh after changing/upgrading the distro
[21:09] <elias_a> oerheks: If the value given by the hw of the battery pack is not correct there's nothing a user can do, really.
[21:11] <elias_a> azeam: What does upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0 tell you? Use pastebin.
[21:13] <azeam> elias_a: https://pastebin.com/HqjbCGcr
[21:13] <elias_a> oerheks: What I am saying is: the design capacity value is something that is not checked in any way. If that has a wrong value then so it is.
[21:15] <elias_a> azeam: And this specific battery has the capacity of 41 Wh stamp on it? Is it the only battery?
[21:16] <azeam> yes, and that is how it was reported earlier
[21:16] <azeam> and it doesn't hold power for nearly as long time as it used to
[21:17] <elias_a> azeam: Would you have the possibility of booting the computer to the version that reported the capacity correctly? This is quite interesting....
[21:18] <elias_a> azeam: My reason for asking: I've done some debugging in the case of multiple batteries.
[21:18] <azeam> as far as I can recall this started after installing clear linux, after that I installed xubuntu 19.10 and the same issue persisted, I guess I could install an earlier xubuntu distro but don't have it installed now
[21:18] <ph88> oerheks, is it best to put all packages in the same ppa ? or create all different ppa's ?
[21:19] <elias_a> azeam: Write a live USB stick with the older version and test?
[21:19] <azeam> elias_a: will do
[21:20] <elias_a> azeam: Thanks! I have to hit the bed now but keep me posted. This is interesting. :)
[21:32] <ph88> are there scripts to help with launchpad ?
[21:34] <sarnold> ph88: there's a bunch in ubuntu-dev-tools
[21:35] <ph88> sarnold, python-launchpadlib ?
[21:36] <sarnold> ph88: better to use python3-launchpadlib
[21:37] <azeam> elias_a: same thing reported in 18.04, so I guess some issue with the battery pack itself
[21:37] <ph88> which compilers can be used to build packages for launchpad ?
[21:38] <sarnold> ph88: most packages will use whatever gcc is default for that release
[21:39] <ph88> sarnold, what about languages that gcc doesn't support ?
[21:41] <sarnold> ph88: then those compilers need to be declared as build dependencies in the debian/control file for the package in question
[21:41] <ph88> ah ok
[21:44] <ph88> what if the compiler needs to be bootstrapped with itself? are binaries allowed for the build ? what about long compile times ?
[21:46] <ducasse> ph88: these aren't really ubuntu questions, but you could try #launchpad
[21:48] <sarnold> I have no idea how you bootstrap a compiler that needs itself to build
[21:49] <sarnold> probably it involves uploading packages for each iteration since creation
[21:49] <DarwinElf> on 18.04.3 after some upgrade in the last few months, my system-/logic-/main-/mother-board's built-in sound (Intel) stopped working... what do I do?
[21:49] <sarnold> or maybe you start with an already-running binary in the tarball..
[21:49] <DarwinElf> it's on a Z170XP-SLI
[21:53] <Ntemis> hi
[21:53] <Ntemis> it seems i cant install wine
[21:53] <Wally> ??
[21:53] <Ntemis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:53] <Ntemis>  winehq-stable : Depends: wine-stable (= 5.0.0~bionic)
[21:53] <Ntemis> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[21:53] <Wally> sudo apt-get install --fix-broken
[21:54] <Ntemis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:54] <Wally> Did you follow the winehq directions?
[21:54] <Ntemis> yes
[21:55] <Ntemis> i did this
[21:55] <Ntemis> wget -qO- https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/Release.key | sudo apt-key add -
[21:55] <Ntemis> and tried to install stable version
[21:55] <sarnold> did you add the sources and run apt update first?
[21:55] <Ntemis> before that i did this too
[21:55] <Ntemis> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[21:55] <Ntemis> yes
[21:55] <DSdavidDS> so I am going through my ubuntu install right now and I am expecting to see this page https://www.itzgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/5a.-Install-Ubuntu-18.04-LTS-Bionic-Beaver-Custom-Partitioning-1024x499.png
[21:56] <DSdavidDS> but it directly goes into  https://www.itzgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/5b.-Install-Ubuntu-18.04-LTS-Bionic-Beaver-Hard-Drive-List.png and doesnt let me delete partitions
[21:56] <Ntemis> can i install coke?
[21:56] <Ntemis> no wine tonight
[21:57] <Ntemis> any way to force install or something?
[22:03] <deusvermiculus> Hello guys! I have a quick question. I used the Ubuntu-minimal installation to install the minimal MATE desktop. This was to get a DE to install i3-WM comfortably. I did so, BUT now i noticed that there is no Option to change the DE on the MATE login screen. am i missing something?
[22:12] <DSdavidDS> can anyone help me? I can't delete vgubuntu
[22:14] <DSdavidDS>  I run lvscan to delete them
[22:14] <DSdavidDS> but they always come back
[22:15] <guntbert_> DSdavidDS: what happens when you click "back"? Is the "vgubuntu" question related to the earlier one about insatllation?
[22:16] <guntbert_> *installation
[22:16] <DSdavidDS> yes
[22:16] <DSdavidDS> when I click back, it takes me to the page letting me choose normal or minimal install
[22:18] <DSdavidDS> so it seems like the installer creaes that automatically every time
[22:29] <Plasmoduck> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu on vbox on my mac, also just inserted and installed the guest additions cd, then I double clicked the vbox machines window title bar to make it go full screen, but it just went black. Even after restarting and shutting down the machine. Whats happened?
[22:30] <Wally> I'd say this is more to do with VirtualBox than Ubuntu
[22:31] <Wally> You sure the guest additions CD installed correctly, you need to ensure that build-essential and the kernel image source is installed first
[22:58] <DSdavidDS> is anyone familiar with this issue during installation after partitioning?
[22:58] <DSdavidDS> > the attempt to mount a filesystem with type vfat in SCS16 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at /boot/efi failed
[23:00] <DSdavidDS> currently trying to install again without UEFI mode
[23:01] <DSdavidDS> i think that did the trick
[23:06] <grateful> my screenshot tool doesn't offer me a snippet or pick area of window, i know ive seen it before any suggestions?
[23:06] <rud0lf> i'd install Shutter for it
[23:06] <rud0lf> also, hi :)
[23:07] <grateful> allo :P
[23:07] <grateful> someone told me gnome-screenshot has that but it failed for me ** Message: 16:01:12.854: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11.
[23:09] <[itchyjunk]> Hey quick question. I have ghci installed that I am trying to first uninstall before i add a ppa and apt-get the version I want. I am not 100% on how to uninstall the current ghci.
[23:16] <Bashing-om> !info ghci bionic | [itchyjunk]
[23:18] <[itchyjunk]> ah, its just `sudo apt remove ghci`. /o\
[23:26] <MannyLNJ> I need help. I am trying to use PDA Net to get online through my smartphone. I don't want to connect to public wi-fi for security reasons.  I found an old post at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1351548 about a way to use PDA Net under Ubuntu but It is not working for me. Would someone please try to help me.
[23:28] <MannyLNJ> The error I am getting is 2020-01-29 18:27:36-0500 [-] OSError: libusbmuxd.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I think it is due to the version on libusmusd but I don't know
[23:33] <oerheks> why should we support paid software, MannyLNJ ? http://pdanet.co/
[23:34] <MannyLNJ> sorry lost connection
[23:34] <MannyLNJ> oerheks, So I start using Ubuntu and other FOSS software over Windows.
[23:35] <[itchyjunk]> Hey, i want to add /opt/ghc/bin to my PATH, i.e, when i type ghci on my terminal, i want to launch the thingy in that folder. :S
[23:35] <sarnold> MannyLNJ: try: sudo apt install 'libusbmux*'
[23:37] <MannyLNJ> sarnold, I already have libusbmuxd4 but I will install the other items in that package
[23:37] <MannyLNJ> sarnold, and no luck. Same issue
[23:38] <sarnold> dang. so much for the easy "hope we don't have to understand it" approach
[23:39] <MannyLNJ> sarnold, I am thinking the issue is with version naming conventions
[23:41] <MannyLNJ> Thanks for the help everyone but my reading missed a key issue. This will only work for an iPhone. I am using Android. Off to find another solution
[23:42] <sarnold> my computer is going crazy and I can't type responsively
[23:43] <sarnold> dammit
[23:52] <elias_a> azeam: I think so, yes.