[00:47] <scott72> hey to all.... i have a asus laptop notebook it is 11 yrs. old and it still going strong. i want to switch to linux that will work on it and run one of my automotive diag. update tools can anybody help???
 Is this thing on?
 Probably the Matrix bridge. Anyway, I'm starting LXQt 1.3
[17:02] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230510)
 Nice —expect it for 23.10? (re @tsimonq2: Probably the Matrix bridge. Anyway, I'm starting LXQt 1.3)
[19:43] <wxl[m]1> Long time no hear everyone. What’s new besides prophetic cryptozoology?
 lack of sleep :p
 nice to hear from ya wxl all things good?
 y'all owe me some access creds (re @tsimonq2: Is this thing on?)
[20:46] <wxl[m]1> @teward001 things are indeed good. Finally getting to the point where I have breathing room again.  <- Looks like I am a little late to the party to greet you back. I have missed seeing you around though too. Glad to hear you have a little space to be around.
[22:07] <wxl[m]1> I need to start by actually switching the daily driver to LXQt finally ducks
[22:08] <wxl[m]1> I also need to see if my memberships have all lapsed
[22:36] <kc2bez[m]> Your Lubuntu membership got renewed by me a bit ago. Your developer one has passed but I am confident you could get that back. We can sponsor stuff for you anyway. We need to on board you to gitea at some point.
 and by "we" kc2bez means the current developers in lubuntu devel and those of us with superceding coredev or MOTU :p


[00:50] <ubptgbot> hydrahex was added by: hydrahex
 https://telegram.org/blog/maintenance … Scheduled Maintenance on February, 24
 Is anyone else having issues with convergence on a Nexus 5?
 Guys
 initrd hit a nail...
 help ?
[02:54] <ubptgbot> MarcosGabrieel was added by: MarcosGabrieel
 @UniversalSuperBox Connects as GNU device but reboots in 15-20 seconds :/ and console ramoops seems corrupted
 anyone have any success with BT keyboards and mice that aren't Logitech? Like, could I just get something cheap  and it work just as well?
 I'm looking at attempting convergence with my n4
[03:23] <ubptgbot> Dik was added by: Dik
 @mariogrip, you rock! :D
 @kz6fittycent, yeah, it wasn't that far off, imagine if they kept developing until 18.04
 no doubt
[04:12] <ubptgbot> <U P Singh> Good morning. Can we install ubuntu touch on the devices not enlisted on ubuntu website?
 U P Singh No you can not, because the operatingsystem must exactly match the ARM processor architecture. There is no hardware detection like AMD or Intel.
 `mka ubports-boot` fails with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VdygYc5Xdp/ Any idea what is causing this?
[06:14] <ubptgbot> <U P Singh> @Alex_WLBI, Thanks Alex. I wish to switchover towards Ubuntu touch but the supported core devices are outdated models.
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> @Flohack, Can find the content of the log file there: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DVtHJYcb43/
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Telegram crashed twice: at 20:34 and at 21:16 - hope this helps find out why...
 @U P Singh, Devices must be ported to Ubuntu Touch and usally you would build it upon a LineageOS. This takes and someone needs to do it. Thus, you will not see Ubuntu Touch on a brand new model.
 @U P Singh, [Edit] Devices must be ported to Ubuntu Touch and usally you would build it upon a LineageOS. This takes time and someone needs to do it. Thus, you will not see Ubuntu Touch on a brand new model.
 @U P Singh, Outdated for what ? All the core devices have enough power to run Ubuntu Touch smoothely.
 @AmolithSeregion, what issues? I mean there are bugs for sure but it's usable
[07:31] <ubptgbot> Ernst Vaarties was added by: Ernst Vaarties
[07:32] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Hi. The ubports support guided me here versies I have technical question.
[07:34] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> versies = because
[07:38] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Let me quote my question: … > I would like to be able to print using my BQ Aquaris M10 FHD. Is this possible and if not, when will this functionality become available. I have a networkprinter (HP) which I intend to use.
 @Ernst Vaarties, Hello! Yes printing will come with 16.04 :) - But at the beginning it will be rather only possible to print PDF files with a special App. The printing backend might be able to give printing rights later to all applications, but not at the start.
[07:59] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Being able to print from the document viewer as a start would be suffice for me.
[07:59] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Good to hear this development.
 In the 16.04 system settings you have already a category Print
 Hope libreoffice mobile will be available in UT
 @Flohack what is status of N5 xenial? What is working currently?
 Calls, sms, gsm data, wifi, browsing?
 @samitormanen, All working
 Its not specific to N5. If smth works in 16.04 it will probably work on all devices. Or not work.
 @Yance, Are you sure?
 I mean all of that @sami mention
 @Yance, Cool 😁
 @samitormanen, List of all bugs tagged Xenial: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+xenial
 I dont consider this "all working" tbh
 How stable it is Yance?
 Quit stable. My problem is battery drain.
 @Yance, Ok. Wish I had another N5 to test it..
 @yance, how much faster it is comparing to vivid?
 @Flohack, Agre, maybe there is still some room for improvement 😂
 😆
 @samitormanen, Never use vivid. I don't know
 @Yance, Ok 😁
[08:27] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> @Markus Kling, Do you see a chance of getting Telegram to work or can I give up on this?
 Telegram just working fine on my nexus 5. 15.04
[08:41] <ubptgbot> Steve was added by: Steve
 Hello, … I've installed Ubuntu v15.04 in my Nexus 5 and I seem to be having an issue using wifi and bluetooth. I've used the stable version so I thought I would no issue. Are there any known issues with this wifi/BT on Nexus 5 when using v15.04? If so, is there any known solutions.  … Thanks for any help!
 @U P Singh, Some newer options are not far off. It is unrealistic to expect instant ports to brand new phones though
 @Steve, Are they working at all?
 @kz6fittycent I've said before and will say it again. For convergence on an external monitor, you *do not* want BT keyboards.
 That is, if you're using wireless (Miracast) convergence. The wireless peripherals will clog the traffic and make things a lagfest. So, use wired peripherals. However, if your hardware has a method of wired connection to the monitor, you can use wired or wireless devices. I hope that helps :)
 I strongly support the idea of a 'UT for kids' but I do not agree with that version being imposed on adult users. Discuss?
 Was thinking about playing with my bq e5 if new version is available, 16.04 I guess. Haven't used UBports ubuntu on it for about 9 months. Worth flashing?
 @Jobba786, Still a bit early. Fun to explore but certainly not for use yet
 For now, a ban on 'offensive apps or apps which bring UBports into disrepute' is sufficient, in my opinion
 Thanks for your feedback, Lionelb. Will use a little time on my Raspberries. Anyone tried the Ubuntu versions for pi?
[12:10] <ubptgbot> coinee was added by: coinee
 @coinee, Hello Nico. Check this out for more information about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hi @Stereofont , … thanks for the hint
 I had one of the first firesale devices 😉
 but this Telegram I missed
 @coinee, Are you still on the Canonical version?
 nope
 @Javacookies, There is no cursor when I plug it in and it doesn't detect the right screen resolution. I don't have a bluetooth mouse so I was going to use the phone as a touchpad but there was no cursor to move lol
 Ah okay
 updated when the first ubports was out
 also bought a nexus5 meanwhile, for latest drivers
 but didn't follow the last weeks/months much the progress
 @AmolithSeregion, Not really relevant to this but if you press and hold the space bar it becomes a cursor.  There is also a News channel here
 @AmolithSeregion, Built into Ubuntu Touch system. It works on your phone
 @Stereofont, https://t.me/ubports_news
 @AmolithSeregion, that's a known weird bug in Nexus 5, onscreen touchpad doesn't work, it works on my Nexus 7
 Probably also works when convergent
 @Stereofont, great, thaknks for the hint
 @Stereofont, [Edit] great, thanks for the hint
 @Javacookies, A shame. Quite useful
 I don't know about resolution though, I don't remember having issues, tried on 1080 and 720
 @Stereofont, that's a different cursor 😁 … just a trivia, I requested for that feature and my PR just recently merge to fix a bug in it … OMG I'm so proud of myself LOL
 @Javacookies, So I can only use a bluetooth mouse?
 A cursor that people are unlikely to find by accident
 @Stereofont, I didn't realise what you meant lol. I was planning to look for an issue like that on Github and if there wasn't I was going to open one
 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SDL-Mir-No-Longer-Default
 Open the keyboard anywhere and the space bar can convert to a cursor. That is the intention
 @AmolithSeregion, unfortunately, yes that's the only way for now
 @Javacookies, Alright, thanks!
 @AmolithSeregion, A junk mouse is probably as likely to work as an expensive one. Not clear which though
[12:42] <ubptgbot> Jai was added by: Jai
 @Jai, Hello Jai. Have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thanks , I aready went through ubport whole web site.
 Haha. Great 👍
[13:13] <ubptgbot> alvelezlo was added by: alvelezlo
 @alvelezlo, Hello Alberto. For more information about UBports check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Stereofont, Hi! Not at all.
 @Steve, Do they work in Android? Has the power button been replaced?
 @Stereofont, Offensive to whom?
 @Stereofont, This is for text entry cursor, not mouse pointer.
 Guys, further on my VitaSDK installation, I'm having trouble doing cmake.. && make (install) on it. Will shoot you a Pastebin in a sec.
 I've tried installing a few more dependencies in Libertine to help it, no luck so far though. These include g++ and build-essentials.
 @Markus Kling, Maybe delete all the config, cache, and data for it. I've had to do so before to log in.
 @dohbee, They didn’t work in android. I’m not sure if the power button was replaced. Someone gave the N5 to me.
 @Steve, It was, and whomever did it damaged the board, causing WiFi and BT to not work. My n5 has exact same issue
 https://pastebin.com/6PQNidwH
 @dohbee, Ah i see. So, what did you do? replace to board? Is it worth it?
 @Steve, I bought a new phone, and my n5 has no network. Not sure if I'll bother replacing the board in it.
[13:51] <ubptgbot> Vladimir A was added by: Vladimir A
 @TartanSpartan, Vitasdk compiler is crashing
 @dohbee, True. Any policy invites supplementaries and will leave gaps. My point was that the new policy effectively dumbs down the whole of UT to the level of an eight year old and I think that is the wrong approach
 Yeah I think I need to make a bash.rc file and set export paths correctly. Just make bash.rc in home, right?
 @Stereofont, What new policy? Your post here appeared to be arbitrary.
 https://open-store.io/submit
 This
 @TartanSpartan, I don't think that's so. You probably need to not use the cross compiler from sdk
 Well, setting the export paths is part of the installation, and I thought I did that but I can't find the file. I'll go up my command history.
 @Stereofont, So no pornhub app? :(
 Nope, .bashrc exists, reading:
 "#VitaSDK export instructions … export VITASDK=/usr/local/vitasdk … export PATH=$VITASDK/bin:$PATH # add vitasdk tool to #PATH"
 as expected.
 @TartanSpartan, Is that the only content?
 @dohbee, As with anything, I think we should discuss policies, rather than have imposition
 Yes, I created it from fresh. Another Libertine oddity that it doesn't pre-exist?
 I would have thought the standard one should be there.
 @dohbee, Standard?
 Bashrc
 Doh Lionel
 What other dir might it be lurking in?
 Of course, I'm saying that this one I made was in home/phablet (the container's version).
 The defaults are in `/etc/skel/` of course
 but that's not really your issue. it's just a distraction.
 changing $PATH won't fix the compiler that the thing you're trying to compile is using
 Really you should be talking to vita devs i guess, and asking if anyone has used this stuff on rpi for example, or other ARM hardware, and not only built stuff for vita on x86 systems
 @Stereofont, Right, but why is Twitter acceptable under this new policy then? Or even Telegram? Or who knows what else.
 @Stereofont, I just read the policy. I dont see any problem with that. Please understand they have to do it in this way since they are private persons fully responsible for the store content.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/j3dosGYi.png
 I think for now is good, but long term it should be discussed properly
 Ok, I will, thanks Rodney.
 @Flohack, Stealing data: so there newer will be Whatsapp on UT 😄
 @Mappaschreck, Correct 😆
 @Flohack, The bullet points are fine. The statement that content must be appropriate for persons 'of all ages' is problematic though. 'Safe for adults' and 'safe fir children' are different considerations
 @Flohack, [Edit] The bullet points are fine. The statement that content must be appropriate for persons 'of all ages' is problematic though. 'Safe for adults' and 'safe for children' are different considerations
 @Stereofont, If the bullet point 1 is fine, than you automatically remove all "not safe for children" apps. So you cannot agree to all bullet points, or also the other text is ok ;)
 @Mappaschreck, Stealing data means you remove the data unallowed. Whatsapp is just copying data, not stealing. So it's totally fine, I guess 🤓
 @Mappaschreck, [Edit] Stealing data means you remove the data unallowed. Whatsapp is just copying data, not removing. So it's totally fine, I guess 🤓
 @Flohack, So e.g. all references to the Holocaust
 Why Holocaust is not safe for children? Its a question of HOW you write about it. We started learning about this in school pretty early
 Different for a six year old or a fourteen year old. The more mature version is disallowed by the policy
 Please talk to the Openstore team with all suggestions. Once again reminded, they are not part of UBports foundation ;)
 👍
 And we are too small to have a review team which is educated along different age classes. They cannot spend their time with discussions of this is ok for 13 or 14 years. I think we speak about: >18 or <18 :)
 Are there really all that many apps on Openstore which would raise questions about maturity level of the intended user base?
 Well, talking about it and showing it are two different things
 Well there are people naked on the beach in the Riviera, but in the US, nudity is a no no
 Ah yes, standard US disconnect of "natural human nudity is an abomination, but murderous violence is A OK" :)
 deplorable violence is fine, as long as there's no naughty language
 and no lady nipples
 Yes indeedy Mrs Brofloski!
 What I know is that OpenStore policies have been discussed in the UBparents group, and they have been modeled after Google Play policies. … https://play.google.com/about/restricted-content/  … I'm not in that group, Brian can surely provide more context
 @dohbee, You nailed it
 It was a South Park reference FYI :)
 Anyone good with indexing in C? I've almost got it but my file manager still has an out-of-bounds bug, so I want to lock that down. I can PM you if so.
 the puritanism of american religious beliefs is quite something
 @TartanSpartan, There is an app dev channel
 @dohbee, I am a conservative christian and I support strict rules. It is up to everone to decide about his moral in private. But there should not be explicit content in public, neither sexual nor violent one. To allow one and prohibit the other is hypocratic imho.
 Gotcha.
 As far as explicit content goes, I mostly agree, but if there are jurisdictions/special zones where it can be permitted for consenting adults, that should be an acceptable compromise.
 @TartanSpartan, 👍🏿
 Rodney, fire away a pair of links for UBPortsOT and app dev groups please? I know you've shared OT before, but can't search right now.
 @TartanSpartan, https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 https://t.me/ubports_ot
 (Sticker, 382x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wTZkH4IE.webp
 @TartanSpartan, I would agree that until some form of the rating system and regional limitations are implemented in the open store, that what's allowed there should be very limited, as a measure to protect the open store devs and hosting. However, once those are implemented, I would say that it should be pretty wide open, with
[15:10] <ubptgbot> very few restrictions.
 frankly, children are not as fragile as everyone thinks they are, and exposing them to more of the stuff that adults find to be "too sensitive" will result in better adults in the future
 @dohbee, They may not be fragile, but very influenceable. Watching a lot of violent movies for example will not make a child become a criminal, but it will influence the emotional inhibition threshold.
 no it will not
 or at least, not in the way that people fear
 anyway, this is quickly going off topic
 Have to say I saw/played a lot of violent films and video games from about 10 onwards but I still have a strong inhibition against acting violently except for self defence/defence of others circumstances.
 I might be a little desensitsed to depictions of violence, but some things still make me squeamish.
 @dohbee, The old fallacya bout computer games making killers, yes.
 @dohbee, [Edit] The old fallacy about computer games making killers, yes.
 This is a very interesting topic for sure. I dont know where is the right place to be discussed maybe in the forums? OT chat?
 yup. if sex and violence in video games and movies did all the things conservatives fear, i'd be the bloody anti-christ
 😹😹😹
 Last thing I'll say because we may indeed be going off-topic: perhaps a strong stomach for violent depictions is a good primer for seeing extreme violence in real life, and ensuring your reactions/senses are prepared to some extent for it, because after all we live in a violent and brutal universe where anything can happen to
[15:24] <ubptgbot> any person at any time; tomorrow you might fall off your bike and get a visible bone fracture for example (sorry if that offends anyone, but a genuine fact)
 The nerverending story
 or a meteorite might fall through your skull
 [Edit] The neverending story
 Indeed #youneverknow
 Is it possible to get the clickable of Cantata, which was only in the old store?
 Have you guys heard of the razr phone? 🤩
 Razer yes
 Sounds like a future convergence phone ;3
 I don't think there's even a glimmer of a Lineage port yet
 Gotta wait for that first
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 Welcome Team has a blocker 😆
 ?
 I can't build guys , can you help me?
 (Photo, 1280x902) https://irc.ubports.com/YQnwgTRo.png
 Same error in every build
 @rannyman, I think this question may be better suited to @hailum perhaps
 @Flohack, It has been quiet for a while. Is there a problem?
 @dohbee, 3 new joins and no welcome msgs ;)
 @Stereofont, Dont think so. what problem could it be?
 @Flohack, ah, i thought maybe you meant that last one would break something with that name :P
 😆 or maybe  that 😆
 @Vladimir A, Hello. Sorry for the late welcome. Please check this for more information https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Khanpakpoom, Faust and. , you are also very welcome here. Please ask if there is anything we can help with
 UBports has a range of groups in different languages
 @TartanSpartan, Ok thanks.  … As far as the N4 goes, I am not sure what kind of peripherals are available that aren't BT based. I will take a look and maybe I'll get lucky and find something
 @kz6fittycent, you don't need to use miracast on the N4. you just need a slimport cable to hook up the HDMI i think
 Yeah, I'm planning on Slimport; just the keyboard and mouse were gonna be BT, but I am willing to see what other options I have as I think it'd be neat for the kids to see (and me too)
 take in consideration also that the slimport doesnt transfer the audio to the monitor/TV
[18:52] <ubptgbot> Andrey was added by: Andrey
 @Andrey, Hello Andrey. If you are new please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome 😊
[19:11] <ubptgbot> antonycs was added by: antonycs
 @antonycs, Hello Antony. Nice to see you here. Feel free to ask questions
 Hi all
[19:16] <ubptgbot> DeleteusBot was added by: rannyman
[19:16] <ubptgbot> DeleteusBot was removed by: UniversalSuperBox
 No thanks
 Wtf? Wrong member sorry
 Is it shortsighted that none of Miracast, Slimport or Micro HDMI allow transfer of audio?
 Not necessarily by Canonical or anything, but by the manufacturers of these standards.
 I'd be concerned if they didn't
 I expect an audio routing bug tbh
 Unless you know that they don't carry audio under Android
 I presumed that was also the case, so again, why I was questioning why these protocols don't allow it. My Raspberrt Pi Zero will carry sound over a Mini HDMI cable.
 *Raspberry Pi
 Yeah, I have (good/bad) news for ya. Slimport and MHL both support audio
 As does Miracase
 [Edit] As does Miracast
 But UT and Android both forbid it?
 Android can't do it?
 And UT?
 As I said before, I'd expect an audio routing problem. I'm asking if you know if Android can route audio over MHL or Slimport
 Sorry dude but I'm wondering if that's a rhetorical line of questioning  :)
 I don't know if Android can do that.
 How would we determine that then?
 Hardware maybe not wired
 @TartanSpartan, Take a device with Slimport, put Android on it, plug it in to something with audio out, play audio
 But isn't there prestablished sources which state whether or not?
 The only place I'd expect to find information is xda
 And you can't trust user posts on xda...
 Or perhaps a device review/troubleshooter/screw around video on YouTube?
 Kind of like bq only can't do MHL because the pins are not wired
 Well yeah, that's the case with most features
 Anyone with broken packages when trying to install unity 8 on 16.04?
[20:33] <ubptgbot> Tygerpro Tygerpro was added by: Tygerpro Tygerpro
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hey everyone, trying to port ubporys to a galaxy note 4
 Hi Tygerpro
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @Stereofont, Hello, how are you?
 Good thanks. A few people are working on Samsung models or expressed an interest
 Nothing happening on that one yet that I recall. Are you familiar with Halium?
 He sure is
 @UniversalSuperBox, 😆
[20:37] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Yea, I saw an S7 the other day in the halium channel, out of curiosity is there any news on the workstation dock? I'd like to make one from a spare pi, and yea I just compiled halium-boot two days ago, haven't had time to test yet
 There is not.
[20:38] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @UniversalSuperBox, Hey how is it going? Your like a halium bloodhound lol
 I don't know what that means, but I'll take it as a compliment
[20:39] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Lol someone mentions halium and you appear lol
 poof
[20:39] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Pretty much
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> I've been toying with the idea of making a laptop workstation dock -if- the software for it is ever released
 Depending on how it works, this could be interesting: https://miraxess.com/miraxess-products/mirabook/
 No word on support for UT yet
 And I don't think it's shipped yet, so buyer beware
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, I authorize you. Please proceed
 Well, the software isn't available for it
 That does not retract the official authorization. Proceed with boldness
[21:31] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @wayneoutthere, Well I won't get very far without software, I'm open to suggestions on that
 Seems like it will only appeal to developers... Convergence is great and all but I dont think I can ever combine my sport shoes are or ever will ne fit for a formal.
 [Edit] Seems like it will only appeal to developers... Convergence is great and all but I dont think I can ever combine my sport shoes with formal.
 (corrected)
 I want one. But mass market is a hard sell which is why they might have trouble shipping
 [Edit] I want one. But mass market is a hard sell, which is why they might have trouble shipping
[21:53] <ubptgbot> S Stana was added by: S Stana
 @S Stana, Hello Stana. Lots of joiners today! Have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started
[21:58] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> hi, i am attempting to port UT to a Nexus 5 with Linux Mint 18 and UBports Installer is hanging at 'please reboot to bootloader.' tried it on a window10 machine with same results. the device is booted to bootloader screen in fastboot mode, lockstate-unlocked. Any advice?
[21:58] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> @Stereofont, Thx for the msg Lionelb. I will check out your link now
 @S Stana, I suggest go the welcome and install room, from that link I gave
[22:00] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> will do
 Creating a username helps with invites etc
[22:01] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> thx again
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, you must hold the dream in front of you. Never let go!  Make dreams reality!
[22:10] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @wayneoutthere, Well I want to base my design on off the shelf hardware (I.e. raspberry pi and compatible peripherals) to make everything easier, I -could- reverse engineer it, but that would be like reinventing the wheel
 I'll be honest.  I'm like a motivational coach... I don't know anything and I talk alot.  HOwever, I want to see your thing work so I'm still authorizing you.
 anyone ever have those "dead spots" on the n4? I've read all kinds of stuff about charging being the culprit and other saying it's a bad digitizer (others refuting that), etc.  … Just looking for first hand experience with fixing it; if possible
 i had a dead spot that was the size of the entire right side of screen.  two days later the whole screen was a dead spot.  However, my N5 finally arrived so I'm back in the bug-squishing game! woot woot


[04:13] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[04:14] <superfly> hi Kilos
[05:18] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:24] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:31] <Kilos> hi bduk
[05:32] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[05:32] <inetpro> and hi to everyone else
[05:32] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[05:33] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:38] <Kilos> ai!
[05:44] <mazal> Morning inetpro
[06:31] <Squirm> morning
[06:40] <Kilos> hi there Squirm
[07:12] <magespawn> good day all
[07:12] <Kilos> ohi magespawn what broke
[07:13] <magespawn> looks like a router, but i am not a 100% sure on that
[07:13] <Kilos> eish whats it doing? or not doing
[07:18] <Kilos> i go let sheep out
[07:23] <magespawn> looks like the wan port is faulty, but the jury is still out on that one, have put a spare in and that seems to work fine
[07:30] <Kilos> aha
[07:31] <Kilos> maybe at times wired stuff is more reliable
[07:53] <Kilos> when routers give probs are they fixable or does one discard and replace them?
[07:53] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[07:53] <magespawn> ty Kilos, network here is a bit strange
[08:15] <Kilos> hi somaunn
[08:15] <somaunn> Hi Kilos
[08:16] <somaunn> what new here
[08:17] <Kilos> not much, very quiet
[08:17] <Kilos> everyone overworked and underpaid
[08:17] <Kilos> did you have any luck yet
[08:17] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[08:18] <sakhi> Morning Kilo, ubuntu-za
[08:19] <sakhi> *Kilos
[08:19] <Kilos> hehe you dont tab complete
[08:20] <Kilos> become such a habit here i often type morn tab and it dont show morning
[08:21] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:22] <charl> good morning
[08:22] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:23] <somaunn> hi Maaz, keep me some
[08:24] <sakhi> :) funny enough I do it most of the time with longer nicknames.
[08:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:27] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:27] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:27] <charl> hi sakhi
[08:27] <charl> hi somaunn
[09:26] <somaunn> what new here
[09:27] <Kilos> hi psyatw Xethron
[09:27] <Kilos> no chnage somaunn
[09:27] <Kilos> change
[09:28] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:28] <psyatw> hi somaunn
[09:28] <psyatw> hi Xethron
[09:32] <Kilos> speed up a bit today
[09:32] <Kilos> Download Speed: 3403 kbps (425.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:32] <Kilos> Upload Speed: 1062 kbps (132.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:32] <Kilos> Latency: 73 ms
[09:44] <somaunn> Kilos: i can see
[09:44] <somaunn> hi psyatw
[09:45] <Kilos> my telkom mobile is actually quite good
[09:45] <somaunn> hey Kilos, is that your home internet speed ?
[09:45] <Kilos> yip my 3g
[09:46] <Kilos> when i download big files it runs around 500kB/s most of the time
[09:48] <Kilos> wbb, just going to kde
[09:59] <somaunn> Kilos: please tell me when we say 3403kbps but see on the DM 425.4kbps transfer is there something wrong ?
[10:00] <Kilos> the 425.4kbps should be kB
[10:01] <Kilos> kilobytes
[10:01] <Kilos> small b is bits
[10:04] <somaunn> Kilos: okay
[10:04] <somaunn> please explain that to me because i'm sometime lost
[10:04] <Kilos> ok
[10:04] <Kilos> 8 bits make up one byte
[10:05] <Kilos> some people give you speeds in mb/s and others in kB/s
[10:06] <Kilos> if you only getting kb/s that is very slow
[10:07] <Kilos> 3403/8
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz: 3403/8
[10:07] <Maaz> Kilos: 425.375
[10:07] <Kilos> 3403 is mb/s
[10:08] <Kilos> 425 is kB/s
[10:08] <Kilos> reg ne inetpro ?
[10:11] <somaunn> Kilos: ok
[10:11] <somaunn> let me make it clear
[10:11] <somaunn> what is megabyte and what is megabit
[10:12] <somaunn> ?
[10:12] <Kilos> megabit is a million bits
[10:12] <Kilos> megabyte is 8 times that
[10:13] <Kilos> 8 bits make up one byte
[10:17] <inetpro> Kilos: bytes are less than bits
[10:17] <Kilos> yes
[10:17] <inetpro> so it's megabits/8 to get megabytes
[10:17] <Kilos> no
[10:17] <Kilos> bytes are 8 bits
[10:18] <inetpro> 1 byte = 8 bits
[10:18] <Kilos> yes
[10:18] <Kilos> look where i got maaz to divide for me
[10:18] <somaunn> Kilos, inetpro: you are going too fast please
[10:19] <inetpro> ai!
[10:19] <somaunn> i want to know what is amount of data and what is speed
[10:19] <somaunn> speed related
[10:20] <Kilos> ok 3403kb/s is kilobits per second
[10:20] <inetpro> speed is measured in seconds
[10:20] <Kilos> in bytes the exactly same thing is 425.375kB/s
[10:21] <somaunn> ok, if we talk speed the we say [3megabit per second]
[10:21] <inetpro> 3403 kb = 425.375 kB
[10:22] <somaunn> when we talk data we say [425.375 kilobytes per second]
[10:22] <Kilos> some do yes but if i use aptitude upgarde or install it shows me in kB/s
[10:22] <Kilos> its the same thing
[10:22] <inetpro> kb = kilobits
[10:22] <inetpro> kB = kilobytes
[10:22] <Kilos> thats how long it takes to download
[10:23] <inetpro> mb = megabits
[10:23] <inetpro> mB = megabytes
[10:24] <inetpro> 3403 kb = 3.403 mb
[10:24] <Kilos> no
[10:24] <inetpro> yes
[10:25] <inetpro> 1000 kb = 1 mb
[10:25] <Kilos> oh ya sorry
[10:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:25] <Kilos> .3 isnt it
[10:26] <Kilos> 3403 kb is 425 kB which is under half a meg
[10:26] <Kilos> oh in bytes
[10:27] <Kilos> whew
[10:27] <inetpro> 425 kBps is not bad
[10:28] <somaunn> inetpro, Kilos: you see all the confusion comes from my home language
[10:28] <inetpro> anything above 128kBps is very workable
[10:28] <somaunn> in french we usually say kilo or meg without any regard to which is data/speed related
[10:29] <Kilos> 1000 bits=1byte
[10:30] <Kilos> 1000 bytes =1 meg
[10:30] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[10:31] <Kilos> somaunn: they are all speed and amounts of data per second
[10:32] <Kilos> the amount of data per second downloaded is the speed your net is working at
[10:34] <Kilos> same as kilometers per hour is the distance travelled in an hour
[10:38] <Kilos> haha hi Eames
[10:44] <somaunn> Kilos, inetpro: Thank you so much for your help
[10:44] <Kilos> yw
[10:45] <Kilos> thats why we are here
[10:45] <Kilos> just need a clever oke to check at times
[10:45] <Vince-0> !
[10:46] <Kilos> my bits and bytes knowledge is memories from 30 years ago
[10:47] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[10:47] <Golynx> Hey Kilos
[10:49] <Golynx> Downloaded the driver, was about 93MB total, but only 46MB for each of the 2 that was on the list, but they were similar
[10:50] <Golynx> It shows some weird graphics card in system details ATI Fire GL. When i look in terminal it shows the correct card
[10:51] <Kilos> explain look in terminal please
[10:51] <Golynx> There is a big lag in the browser, and the loading icon aswell turns slower than it used to
[10:53] <Kilos> what browser you talking about?
[10:53] <Kilos> opera
[10:53] <Golynx> Well that info on that site said to type in fglrxinfo and it shows my card ATI radeon HD 3200
[10:53] <Golynx> Yes
[10:54] <Kilos> that could be your internet sucking
[10:54] <Golynx> Everything in the browser is now slow
[10:54] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall opera
[10:54] <Golynx> nope , page scroll aswell got big lag and hurt my eyes
[10:55] <Golynx> ok
[10:55] <Kilos> maybe those graphics drivers have added something opera doesnt see
[10:56] <Golynx> Plus the windows got shadows around them now, and more animated effects
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <Kilos> you should use kubuntu and turn off desktop effects
[10:56] <Golynx> Why lol
[10:56] <Kilos> i also hate all the animated stuff
[10:57] <Kilos> but not everything can be turned off
[10:57] <Golynx> hmm this sucks
[10:57] <Kilos> modern peeps like the eye candy
[10:58] <Golynx> In ubuntu tweak i can now turn off the dash opacity and some other minor effects , but now windows shadows or animation efects options
[10:59] <Golynx> no*
[10:59] <Kilos> ai!
[11:01] <Golynx> Now when i browse nautilus , the fan starts spinning faster and faster
[11:02] <Kilos> maybe when you got data install mate
[11:03] <Kilos> thats very light
[11:03] <Kilos> installs into ubuntu
[11:05] <Golynx> And why did it only say 2D acceleration when i installed the driver, Yesterday it said 3D acceleration will be activated when installed
[11:08] <Kilos> maybe there is a way to set it to 2d
[11:10] <Golynx> Really its should not be that hard , just to put an "Disable animated effects" option in unity 2D
[11:10] <Golynx> Even where i input text is lagged now
[11:12] <Golynx> With mate i will have to install everything again
[11:13] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[11:20] <Golynx> Kilos i see compiz is using 20% of the cpu all the time. That should not be happening
[11:23] <Kilos> thats mainly because of min ram i think
[11:23] <Kilos> isnt there a way to make it use 2d
[11:24] <Golynx> And 60% cpu when i scroll in opera or move a window
[11:24] <Golynx> I dont know
[11:26] <Kilos> wait lemme ask google
[11:27] <Kilos> maaz google how to revert to 2d on 12.04
[11:27] <Maaz> Kilos: "After Ubuntu 12.04 LTS update, Only Unity 2D ... bug? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/262320/after-ubuntu-12-04-lts-update-only-unity-2d-bug :: "unity - Your Ubuntu 12.04 is running in 2D mode. Many features will ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/252018/your-ubuntu-12-04-is-running-in-2d-mode-many-features-will-not-be-available-ub :: "How to
[11:27] <Maaz> change from Unity 2D to 3D? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/171853/how-to-ch…
[11:27] <Kilos> ai!
[11:27] <Kilos> Maaz: how to stop 3d on 12.04
[11:27] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[11:27] <Kilos> ai!
[11:28] <Kilos> Maaz: google how to stop 3d on 12.04
[11:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "compiz - How do I disable visual effects in Ubuntu 12.04.1? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/186913/how-do-i-disable-visual-effects-in-ubuntu-12-04-1 :: "Howto disable 3d effects/compiz on 12.10? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/203075/howto-disable-3d-effects-compiz-on-12-10 :: "12.04 - Unity stopped working in 3D after software update
[11:28] <Maaz> - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/304945/unity-stopped-working-in-3d-after-softw…
[11:28] <Kilos> thats better
[11:30] <Kilos> my pc got faster when i installed the correct graphics drivers
[11:31] <Golynx> lemme try something
[11:33] <Kilos> reboot
[11:33] <Kilos> graphics install stuff to kernel
[11:45] <Golynx> Right i managed to cure the lag issue, by rebooting and on login click on the ubuntu icon where it gives Ubuntu 3D and Ubuntu 2D options, so i picked 2D. No more lag and that pest "compiz" is dead
[11:49] <Kilos> yay
[11:50] <Kilos> well done
[11:50] <Kilos> soon you can help me
[11:50] <Golynx> lol , i dunno why they hide that option though
[11:51] <Kilos> most young peeps dont want to change things
[11:51] <Kilos> eye candy rules
[11:51] <Golynx> Atleast my system seems to be running cool and calm now
[11:51] <Kilos> thats good
[11:52] <Golynx> lol, a student cannot help his teacher
[11:52] <Kilos> should be faster with them drivers installed and running on 2d
[11:52] <Kilos> oh yes
[11:53] <Kilos> the student just needs to think more
[11:53] <Golynx> haha ya sure :p
[11:54]  * Golynx can finally say UBUNTU ROCKS !!! :D
[11:54] <Kilos> dont forget different pepps see things differently
[11:54] <Kilos> ooo yay that made my day
[11:55] <Golynx> Thanks for all the help Kilos , it was a success :)
[11:55] <Kilos> often looking at stuff from a different viewpoints helps peeps find easier way and shortcuts
[11:55] <Kilos> youre welcome laddy
[11:56] <Golynx> Ya thats true , its the best way to do things
[11:57] <Kilos> many hands make tight work
[11:57] <Golynx> The rest is up to me now, so no more complaints from me hehe
[11:57] <Kilos> unless globe is blown
[11:57] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <Kilos> youre startup approach was wrong
[11:58] <Golynx> How do you mean
[11:58] <Kilos> one must forget what you did on wondows
[11:58] <Golynx> oh
[11:58] <Kilos> and start from scratch
[11:58] <Golynx> Ya linux is different in many ways , but some base computer principles still apply
[11:59] <Kilos> like if you get on an old motorbike
[11:59] <Kilos> it doesnt help saying i cant find the str=arter button
[11:59] <Kilos> there wasnt one
[11:59] <Golynx> lol , thats a nice one
[12:00] <Kilos> like the pro always says you must compair apples with apples nothing else
[12:00] <Kilos> compare
[12:01] <Kilos> now if you try another linux os then you can compair
[12:01] <Kilos> ai!
[12:01] <Kilos> compare
[12:01] <Golynx> Thanks i will remember that
[12:01] <Golynx> Your a wise one :)
[12:02] <Kilos> na
[12:02] <Kilos> my email addy sums me up
[12:02] <Kilos> and the pro borrows it now and again
[12:03] <Golynx> true , the years adds wisdom, so you can pass that on to the young ones, to continue the cycle
[12:03]  * mazal wonder wat oom Kilos gedrink het
[12:03] <Kilos> hehe
[12:03] <Kilos> net tee man
[12:04] <mazal> Ek sien die tikwerk werk nie so lekker vandag nie oom :)
[12:04] <Kilos> kop klap ietwat
[12:07] <Kilos> but im smiling. another happy ubuntu user, and billy boy loses out again
[12:16] <magespawn> afternoon all, i see i have been a yoyo today
[12:16] <Kilos> oh i found an option in kde where you can choose what your connection speed shows as
[12:17] <Kilos> kb/s or kB/s
[12:17] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[12:22] <Golynx> Wb magespawn
[12:24] <somaunn> Kilos: that's good
[12:35] <Kilos> wish it was after 14.04 release date
[12:35] <magespawn> thanks guys
[12:35] <Kilos> wanna try kubuntu 14.04
[12:35] <magespawn> i have a complex question here
[12:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:36] <magespawn> on this machine i can get out on to the internet my ip address is <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:37] <magespawn> on my lubuntu laptop i dead end in a router config page at <IP_ADDRESS> and my ip is <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:38] <magespawn> my question is how is this possible?
[12:39] <magespawn> i understand they are on two different subnets but as far as i have been told there is only one router here.
[12:39] <magespawn> now obviously this is wrong
[12:42]  * magespawn goes on a router hunt
[12:42] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:48] <Kilos> magespawn: you can set your ips and stuff in nm
[12:52] <Kilos> cant remember the iptables cli way
[12:52] <Kilos> but why worry if it can go online anyway
[13:00] <Kilos> but dont routers asign ips automatically
[13:04] <magespawn> that is the thing Kilos
[13:05] <magespawn> this one is win7 set dhcp the other is lubuntu also set to dhcp
[13:05] <Kilos> ai!
[13:05] <Kilos> ya then the router is asigning them but as long as they can both go online thats good aint it
[13:08] <Kilos> or doesnt the lappy go online?
[13:09] <Kilos> the netmask thing
[13:27] <magespawn> the lubuntu one does not
[13:28] <magespawn> unplugged and replugged the cable ane hey presto
[13:28] <magespawn> now it is online
[13:29] <Kilos> then you gotta go into the router and allow it isnt it
[13:30] <Kilos> oh my
[13:30] <Kilos> well theres a luck
[13:30] <Kilos> no thinking needed
[13:30] <magespawn> strange, and that is not good
[13:31] <Kilos> didnt you chnage routers
[13:31] <Kilos> change
[13:31] <Kilos> they are stupi things and sometimes only work after rebooting
[13:33] <somaunn> magespawn: if i get you well your Lubuntu box doesn't pick up dhcp address in auto and you have to unplug and plug again
[13:53] <somaunn> Kilos: what is the best shell editor
[13:53] <somaunn> i'm studying powershell as part of job to do
[13:53] <Kilos> i like nano
[13:53] <Kilos> but gedit is good
[13:53] <Kilos> i dunno about shells, is that terminals?
[13:54] <somaunn> but would like to know if there is something similar
[13:54] <Kilos> like with bash?
[13:54] <Kilos> i get lost with all these things
[13:55] <somaunn> do you know something similar to powershel under linux
[13:55] <Kilos> such involved questions you must ask inetpro or superfly
[13:56] <Kilos> Maaz: google alternative to powershell for linux
[13:56] <Maaz> Kilos: "Microsoft PowerShell 2: Going Beyond its UNIX/Linux Insprirations ..." http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/05/microsoft_powershell_2_going_b.html :: "Replacement for Powershell ? - Windows 7 Help Forums" http://www.sevenforums.com/software/161973-replacement-powershell.html :: "Windows PowerShell for UNIX shell addicted person - nixCraft"
[13:56] <Maaz> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/windows-powershell-for-unix-shell-addicted-person.html :: "windows - t…
[13:56] <Kilos> look at the last one i think
[13:58] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep quick
[13:58] <Golynx> I gave up on Gedit, it did'nt indent my code as i wanted. So i chose Geany instead. Its a nice light little ide
[13:59] <Golynx> have fun Kilos
[14:00] <inetpro> somaunn: shell editor or command line editor?
[14:01] <magespawn> later all
[14:02] <inetpro> vi or actually vim is the most popular editor by far
[14:02] <inetpro> vi is just a shortcut to vim
[14:03] <inetpro> on any modern linux distro at least
[14:03] <somaunn> inetpro: something similar to powershell
[14:03] <inetpro> somaunn: what is powershell?
[14:04] <inetpro> Windows PowerShell is Microsoft's task automation and configuration management framework, consisting of a command-line shell and associated scripting language built on .NET Framework.
[14:04] <inetpro> somaunn: you mean that ^^ ?
[14:04] <somaunn> yes
[14:05] <inetpro> that has very little to do with an editor
[14:06] <inetpro> and that powershell thingy on windows doesn't come close to what we have on Linux
[14:06] <superfly> PowerShell is Microsoft's very late answer to what the UNIX world has had for more than 30 years
[14:07] <inetpro> thank you superfly
[14:07] <somaunn> inetpro: thanks
[14:08] <somaunn> what do we have on linux
[14:08] <somaunn> then
[14:09] <inetpro> Bourne shell
[14:09] <inetpro> C shell
[14:09] <inetpro> Bourne-Again shell
[14:09] <inetpro> Debian Almquist shell
[14:09] <inetpro> Korn shell
[14:09] <inetpro> Z shell
[14:09] <inetpro> and many more
[14:10] <inetpro> even python
[14:11] <inetpro> and some people even prefer to stick with just tee-cee-shell
[14:11] <inetpro> tcsh
[14:14] <inetpro> the C shell is like a C programming environment on steroids
[14:15] <somaunn> inetpro: okay, as far as i know i can access bash from terminal
[14:15] <somaunn> but i would like to have a dedicated interface to interract with bash
[14:15] <inetpro> as far as I'm aware bash is probably the most widely used
[14:16] <inetpro> what do you mean with dedicated interface?
[14:17] <inetpro> on Kubuntu konsole is my dedicated interface that is always open on my screen
[14:20] <somaunn> inetpro: like this http://goo.gl/x495by
[14:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:21] <Kilos> Maaz: LPI manual
[14:21] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[14:21] <inetpro> rephrase: on Kubuntu, konsole is my dedicated interface and is always in use 99.9% of the time
[14:22] <Kilos> only shells i like have oysters and mussels in them
[14:29] <Golynx> lol
[14:31] <inetpro> somaunn: are you using Ubuntu?
[14:31] <Kilos> somaunn: get the manual in the above link. you can learn lots about everything there
[14:31] <inetpro> and what version?
[14:31] <Kilos> you too Golynx
[14:32] <inetpro> somaunn: if you ask me this evening I might have more time to answer
[14:32] <inetpro> obviously others are welcome to chip in at any time
[14:34] <inetpro> even Kilos knows how to open and close the command line interface
[14:34] <Golynx> Why use that Kilos. I google anytime i get stuck with something , all in one file is not my style
[14:35] <Kilos> Golynx: is you can learn to do everything in that maunual you can go write the LPI exam
[14:35] <Kilos> its the study manual for linux professionals
[14:36] <Kilos> or peeps that wanna be pros
[14:36] <Golynx> I'm a web developer though
[14:36] <Kilos> i only understand the first 2 pages
[14:37] <Kilos> when you doing nothing you can study
[14:37] <Kilos> never stop learning
[14:37] <Golynx> ok cool , will look at it as soon as i can download pdf's
[14:38] <Kilos> huh?
[14:38] <Kilos> you mean data wise?
[14:38] <Kilos> you dont need to install anything else. ubuntu can read pdfs
[14:39] <Golynx> Nope , opera gives blank screen
[14:39] <Kilos> oh my i had that did something in settings
[14:40] <Kilos> or use firefox
[14:40] <Kilos> it should be installed ther
[14:40] <Kilos> ethere
[14:40] <Kilos> ai!
[14:40] <Kilos> type firefox in dash
[14:40] <somaunn> Maaz: cool
[14:40] <Maaz> That is good to know
[14:41] <somaunn> inetpro: not i'm using Fedora and redhat
[14:42] <Kilos> ah then Squirm is the goto guy for probs with redhat stuffs
[14:42] <Golynx> Bug in opera , cant untick hide filetype extensions
[14:43] <Golynx> What is that terminal download manager ?
[14:43] <somaunn> Golynx: leave opera jump the firefox
[14:43] <inetpro> somaunn: hmm... nothing wrong with that, question that needs to be answered is, what desktop environment you use
[14:43] <inetpro> is it Gnome or KDE?
[14:43] <inetpro> or something else
[14:43] <Golynx> somaunn firefox are too intense on my system
[14:44] <somaunn> inetpro: Gnome 3.10 (gnome-shell)
[14:44] <inetpro> somaunn: in that case gnome-shell is your dedicated environment to interact with bash
[14:44] <somaunn> Golynx: yeah i realized the same but as i don't like chromium at all so i have to keep stayin on firefox
[14:45] <somaunn> cuz i use downthemall to DL my files
[14:45] <somaunn> inetpro: oooooooooookaaaaayyyyyyyyyy
[14:45] <inetpro> :-)
[14:47] <Kilos> Golynx: lynx links elinks
[14:47] <somaunn> Golynx: look epiphany
[14:47] <Kilos> oh Golynx
[14:47] <Kilos> install
[14:47] <Kilos> um
[14:48] <Kilos> midori
[14:48] <inetpro> the bash (Bourne-Again SHell) manual is available at: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/
[14:48] <Kilos> oh ya epiphany
[14:49] <Kilos> epiphany close to firefox but much lighter
[14:49] <Golynx> somaunn thats nice
[14:49] <Golynx> ok Kilos
[14:49] <somaunn> Golynx: have you tried it?
[14:50] <Golynx> Busy loading uget though
[14:50] <Kilos> opera must work man it works well
[14:50] <Kilos> enable popups
[14:50] <Kilos> you get a popup to save that book somewhere
[14:50] <Golynx> All other file types works Kilos
[14:50] <Golynx> Nope somaunn
[14:51] <somaunn> Kilos: i've epiphany installed but never tried it you see, i just gave it a chance when Golynx said opera can't load the page and foudn it really fast
[14:51] <Kilos> man you have disabled something again
[14:51] <Kilos> opera works here
[14:51] <Kilos> yeah epiphany rocks
[14:52]  * Squirm pops in
[14:52] <Kilos> maybe you can also wget that book
[14:52] <Kilos> try wget http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[14:52] <Golynx> Its the "hide filetype extensions" that dont wana stay unticked
[14:53] <Golynx> ok
[14:53] <Golynx> yeah thats what i wanted
[14:53] <Golynx> ty Kilos
[14:53] <Kilos> np
[14:55] <Kilos> and if your net cuts halfway you use wget -c "link" to get the rest
[14:55] <Golynx> Aah yes now i remember :)
[14:56] <Kilos> write it down or make a file with commands in
[14:56] <Golynx> Its already in
[14:57] <Kilos> good
[14:58] <Golynx> I saved the same command days ago, i forgot about the file lol
[14:59] <Kilos> lol
[14:59] <Kilos> just now ill be lending you my email addy too
[14:59] <Golynx> My lappies hardware feels like win7 again , love it !
[15:02] <Golynx> oh
[15:04] <Kilos> yeah somaunn its much lighter than firefox
[15:04] <somaunn> Kilos: did you try it
[15:04] <Kilos> i have it installed but mainly use opera
[15:05] <somaunn> Kilos: i'm actually doing a download test with a pdf file i've found online and it's quite fast
[15:06] <Kilos> cool
[15:07] <Kilos> download that LPI manual. it teaches you lots
[15:07] <Kilos> also rehdat sysadmin stuff and all
[15:07] <Kilos> redhat
[15:09] <Kilos> nuvolari: gaan huistoe
[15:15] <Golynx> Got the pdf download working in opera Kilos. Edited the application/pdf that opera hides by default , to "Save on Disk"
[15:16] <Kilos> good
[15:16] <Kilos> i save those downloads to desktop the put them in relevant files
[15:17] <somaunn> Kilos: i've done with the lpi file will read it carefully
[15:17] <Golynx> I just choose the location from popup
[15:18] <Kilos> cool somaunn tons of valuable knowledge in it
[15:28] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn hows ya
[15:29] <Kilos> you okes work too hard. i dont get resting time here
[15:29] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos... back from work which I am very thankful for having but still don't like :p
[15:29] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <charl> ok new phone is working
[15:45] <charl> this whole lync business is quite interesting
[15:45] <charl> i want to actually try the skype federation next
[16:04] <charl> have a good evening all
[16:05] <somaunn> thank you charl
[16:09]  * Kilos going to unity. wbb
[16:33] <Golynx> Wb Kilos
[16:33] <Kilos> ty
[16:33] <Kilos> stupid modem didnt wanna work
[16:34] <Golynx> Aah
[16:34] <Golynx> Is there a lighter file explorer in ubuntu, other than nautilus
[16:35] <Kilos> i dunno. nautilus works well man
[16:35] <Kilos> if its battling a bit do sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus
[16:35] <Golynx> My fan starts spinning faster everytime i go there
[16:35] <Golynx> Not super fast though
[16:36] <Kilos> well thats a smart fan. when pc works more fan blows more
[16:37] <Golynx> Its ok i will keep it, i'm used to the file manager not working hard
[16:38] <Kilos> there might be a lighter one but the dev guys thought nautilus was best
[16:38] <Golynx> ya fan works great!
[16:38] <Kilos> reinstall it
[16:38] <Kilos> maybe it wasnt a very good install with everything battling like you did'
[16:40] <Golynx> hmm, it came with the dvd
[16:40] <Kilos> ya but reinstall nautilus and see if that helps
[16:41] <Golynx> Can i do it in synaptic
[16:42] <Kilos> yes but whats wrong with aptitude
[16:43] <Golynx> i'm used to graphics lol
[16:43] <Kilos> aptitude is a very clever tool and looks for other probs too
[16:43] <Kilos> but synaptic works too
[16:45] <Golynx> sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus
[16:45] <Kilos> yes
[16:45] <Golynx> ok
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:46] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:46] <Kilos> close synaptic
[16:46] <Golynx> ok
[16:47] <Golynx> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the nautilus package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[16:47] <Golynx> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the nautilus package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[16:47] <Golynx> E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
[16:47] <Kilos> go look for it in synaptic
[16:48] <Kilos> oh ya its not in your archives
[16:48] <Golynx> Done
[16:48] <Golynx> What now
[16:49] <Kilos> you might need to run sudo apt-get update
[16:49] <Kilos> aptitude should have seen that package in the list
[16:49] <Golynx> Will it still be less than 20mb
[16:49] <Kilos> yes every time its less
[16:50] <Golynx> ok
[16:50] <Kilos> when nearly updated then its 2m
[16:51] <Golynx> It stopped with this error
[16:51] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:51] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:51] <Kilos> you have synaptic open
[16:52] <Golynx> lol
[16:52] <Kilos> thats the other process
[16:52] <Golynx> reading package list... Done
[16:52] <Kilos> lol
[16:53] <Kilos> how many meg?
[16:53] <Golynx> Didnt show anything , just a small list of packages
[16:54] <Kilos> not downloaded so much in so long?
[16:55] <Golynx> Nope, just 7 or so stuff from synaptics
[16:55] <Kilos> type in sudo aptitude upgrade
[16:55] <Kilos> and see if it wants to upgrade anything
[16:55] <Golynx> huh, but that upgrades everything
[16:56] <Kilos> only if you tick y
[16:56] <Golynx> ok
[16:56] <Golynx> The following packages will be upgraded:
[16:56] <Golynx>   adobe-flash-properties-gtk adobe-flashplugin
[16:56] <Golynx> 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:56] <Golynx> Need to get 6 730 kB of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
[16:57] <Kilos> 6.7 meg then to upgrade
[16:57] <Kilos> thats why you battled with gtk
[16:58] <Golynx> hmm ok, so i tick Y
[16:58] <Kilos> ya
[16:59] <Golynx> ok
[16:59] <Golynx> Will take about 10 min lol
[17:00] <Kilos> whew
[17:08] <Golynx> Right its upgraded now
[17:10] <Golynx> Now i do sudo apt-get update
[17:11] <Golynx> wb nlsthzn
[17:11] <nlsthzn> hi Golynx, thanks :)
[17:12] <Golynx> yw nlsthzn :)
[17:13] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:14] <Golynx> No luck Kilos
[17:17] <somaunn> guys
[17:17] <somaunn> is there a channel where i can learn and practice linux ?
[17:21] <Kilos> Golynx, ?
[17:21] <Golynx> yip
[17:21] <Kilos> whats no luck?
[17:22] <Golynx> still no size in sudo apt-get update
[17:22] <Kilos> no man you dont do update again
[17:22] <Golynx> oh
[17:22] <Kilos> always first update then upgrade then done
[17:23] <Golynx> and sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus gives same error
[17:23] <Kilos> if anything doesnt work smooth then reinstall with aptitude
[17:23] <Kilos> do nautilus in synaptic and see
[17:23] <Golynx> ok
[17:23] <Kilos> maybe the repo is down
[17:24] <Kilos> oh ya i changed off main last night
[17:25] <Golynx> ok i got first file of naulitus highlighted
[17:25] <Golynx> what now
[17:25] <Kilos> changed to server for south africa
[17:25] <Kilos> check what other installed files are there
[17:25] <Kilos> while you have nautilus typed in the top
[17:26] <Golynx> i see all nautilus files plus a other few
[17:27] <Kilos> reinstall them all
[17:27] <Golynx> how
[17:27] <Kilos> in synaptic right click reinstall
[17:28] <Golynx> Mark for reinstallation is disabled
[17:28] <Kilos> then they are must haves you cant fiddle with
[17:29] <Kilos> but do those you can
[17:29] <Kilos> and see if it wants to download
[17:29] <Kilos> then we know that remastersys dvd didnt do a full job
[17:30] <Golynx> mark suggested for installation and Removal is the only options
[17:31] <Kilos> no man
[17:31] <Kilos> only the green ones you must look at
[17:31] <Kilos> not all the rest
[17:31] <Golynx> Yes it is the Nautilus one with the green tick
[17:31] <Kilos> green ticked or green blob or something on the left
[17:32] <Kilos> and no others in that page
[17:32] <Kilos> ?
[17:32] <Golynx> Others show the same options
[17:32] <Kilos> are they green?
[17:33] <Golynx> Yes i only do the green ones
[17:33] <Kilos> good
[17:33] <Kilos> do it then
[17:33] <Golynx> Its them thats options are disables on right click
[17:33] <Golynx> disabled*
[17:34] <Kilos> then leave them
[17:34] <Kilos> tick apply
[17:35] <Golynx> I cant mark anything that got nautilus
[17:35] <Kilos> oh
[17:35] <Kilos> close synaptic
[17:35] <Golynx> Only Mark for removal is there
[17:35] <Golynx> ok
[17:35] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install nautilus --reinstall
[17:37] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[17:37] <Golynx> Building dependency tree
[17:37] <Golynx> Reading state information... Done
[17:37] <Golynx> Reinstallation of nautilus is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[17:37] <Golynx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:37] <Kilos> haha superfly funny that post in fb
[17:37] <nlsthzn> what happened to nautilus?
[17:37] <Kilos> its struggling nlsthzn
[17:39] <Golynx> nlsthzn its using too much cpu than it should
[17:39] <Kilos> something wrong there
[17:39] <Golynx> Found this on google:
[17:39] <Golynx> Re: Urgent Help! Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade - Nautilus broken
[17:39] <Golynx>  You can try deleting your nautilus folder.
[17:39] <Golynx> Code:
[17:39] <Golynx> rm -rf .gconf/apps/nautilus/
[17:39] <Golynx> and
[17:39] <Golynx> Code:
[17:39] <Golynx> rm -rf .config/nautilus/
[17:39] <Golynx> Which will delete all your nautilus settings. And then reinstall nautilus
[17:39] <Golynx> Code:
[17:39] <Golynx> sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus nautilus-data
[17:39] <Kilos> in synaptic if i right click nautilus it gives reinstall option
[17:40] <Golynx> Not in mine
[17:40] <Kilos> what have you fiddled with now
[17:40] <Kilos> open update manager
[17:40] <Golynx> Nope nothing , i found that on google
[17:40] <Golynx> ok
[17:41] <Kilos> then tick settings and tell me what repo its using
[17:42] <Kilos> in ubuntu software on the left
[17:42] <Golynx> main server
[17:42] <Kilos> change that to server for south africa
[17:42] <Golynx> ok
[17:43] <Kilos> i think that repo is sick since last night
[17:43] <Golynx> oh ok
[17:43] <Kilos> but now its gonna do the 20 update again
[17:43] <nlsthzn> if in doubt change to the main server...
[17:44] <Kilos> it was on main nlsthzn
[17:44] <nlsthzn> hmmm...
[17:44] <Golynx> hmm
[17:44] <Kilos> i had probs there last night too
[17:45] <Kilos> if you have the data tick check
[17:45] <Golynx> Last time it was 16mn
[17:45] <Golynx> 16mb*
[17:45] <nlsthzn> what was 16mb, updates?
[17:45] <Kilos> oh then it will be about same
[17:45] <Kilos> ya nlsthzn
[17:45] <Kilos> to get a new install updated
[17:46] <Kilos> then upgrades come later
[17:46] <nlsthzn> to refresh the package list you mean?
[17:46] <Kilos> yessir
[17:46] <nlsthzn> wow, never knew it had become so big?!
[17:46] <nlsthzn> uncapped makes you lazy...
[17:47] <nlsthzn> when I was in SA I never had net :/
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <Kilos> eish linux is no good without the net
[17:47] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[17:48] <nlsthzn> well, it is so much easier with it :)
[17:48] <Kilos> yeah
[17:48] <Tonberry_> hello
[17:52] <Kilos> is it checking Golynx
[17:53] <Golynx> Ya Kilos
[17:53] <Kilos> should automatically show upgrades if there are
[17:53] <Kilos> and how much will be downloaded near the bottom
[17:54] <Golynx> Ya i see
[17:55] <Kilos> you have the choice to go ahead at least
[17:55] <Kilos> often when i saw how much i closed it till i had data
[17:56] <Golynx> hmm, so just close the terminal when i want ?
[17:57] <Kilos>  no man
[17:57] <Kilos> wait till its finish
[17:57] <Kilos> then see how much data it wants to download
[17:57] <Golynx> oh
[17:57] <Kilos> then decide to go ahead or close
[17:57] <Kilos> other wise you will need to run updates again
[17:58] <Golynx> Ya i just want the package list updated and nautilus reinstalled , nothing else
[18:00] <Kilos> 845kB nautilus is
[18:00] <Golynx> Maybe its the kernel change that broke it
[18:00] <Golynx> was 3.5 on dvd now 3.2
[18:00] <Golynx> good
[18:01] <Kilos> nautilus-data is 63.4 kB
[18:01] <Kilos> ya dont fiddle and change stuff
[18:01] <Kilos> whew
[18:03] <Golynx> Ya that was last week , had a hot head like the lappy
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <Golynx> :p
[18:09] <Golynx> Fetched 10,4 MB in 22min 4s (7 867 B/s)                                        C
[18:09] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[18:10] <Golynx> lol
[18:10] <Kilos> whew
[18:10] <Kilos> does it show upgrade packages?
[18:11] <Golynx> Where is that
[18:11] <Kilos> in the update manager window
[18:11] <Kilos> you have it open havent you?
[18:12] <Golynx> Yes
[18:12] <Kilos> you did tick check there?
[18:12] <Golynx> Nope
[18:12] <Kilos> thats what it just did
[18:12] <Kilos> eish
[18:12] <Kilos> you must listen man
[18:13] <Golynx> i updated from terminal
[18:14] <Golynx> It says the package information was just updated
[18:14] <Kilos> and i said what?
[18:14] <Kilos> didnt i say tick check while you were in update manager
[18:14] <Kilos> but anyway
[18:15] <Kilos> nor run sudo apt-get upgrade and see
[18:15] <Golynx> terminal had the same stuff
[18:15] <Golynx> ok
[18:16] <Kilos> ya but when someone is trying to help you sort a prob you follow what they say so they dont get lost with whats happening
[18:16] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[18:16] <Golynx> Building dependency tree
[18:16] <Golynx> Reading state information... Done
[18:16] <Golynx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:17] <Kilos> like doing check in update manager updates but immediately shows available packages
[18:17] <Kilos> oh my
[18:17] <Golynx> You didnt say anything after open download manager , i assumed i had to do it in the terminal
[18:17] <Kilos> then you must be up to date
[18:17] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic
[18:17] <Golynx> ok
[18:18] <Golynx> Its working
[18:18] <Kilos> we gotta find why nautilus dont give reinstall option
[18:19] <Golynx> Need to get 2 405 kB of archives
[18:19] <Kilos> aha
[18:19] <Kilos> see it wasnt a complete install
[18:19] <Kilos> i think you gonna find lots of them
[18:19] <Golynx> oh really
[18:20] <Golynx> Lots of what
[18:20] <Kilos> if something dont work kiff reinstall and see
[18:20] <Kilos> lots of things that dont work to their best
[18:21] <Kilos> i dunno why remastersys did that though
[18:21] <Golynx> oh ok will have to see what gives such an issue
[18:21] <Kilos> i had it with the first time i tried it
[18:21] <Kilos> reinstalled everything in synaptic
[18:21] <Kilos> took a day to tick them all
[18:22] <Golynx> Most issues are minor though, but get bigger with time
[18:22] <Golynx> So its hard to spot at first
[18:22] <Kilos> but now i know where to look for probs
[18:22] <Golynx> wow
[18:23] <Kilos> my last remastersys dvd didnt give that prob
[18:23] <Kilos> oh
[18:23] <Kilos> made on different pc
[18:23] <Kilos> who knows
[18:24] <Golynx> Ya probably, some compression formats change minor things in programs
[18:24] <Kilos> but if anything dont work smooth reinstall it in synaptic and other packages that are in same line of packages
[18:26] <Golynx> Right synaptic reinstalled , i think
[18:27] <Golynx> nautilus still no reinstall option
[18:28] <Kilos> ai!
[18:28] <Golynx> only nautilus-share and nautilus-sendto have that option
[18:29] <Kilos> something is wrong there
[18:29] <Golynx> hmm
[18:30] <Kilos> you unticked too many things last week
[18:30] <Kilos> remember i told you i have had an 80m upgrade since i sent the dvd
[18:31] <Golynx> I did'nt do that though, its only opera that i locked
[18:32] <Golynx> and gimp
[18:32] <Golynx> everything else i left as is
[18:35] <inetpro> Midnight Commander is a popular twin-panel file manager for the terminal
[18:35] <inetpro> sudo aptitude install mc
[18:35] <inetpro> using a text-user interface
[18:36] <Kilos> evening inetpro
[18:36] <inetpro> hello
[18:36] <charl> hi Kilos, inetpro
[18:36] <Golynx> inetpro i dont think that'll work for me, since i do drag drop cp alot
[18:36] <Golynx> hi charl
[18:37] <Kilos> hi charl
[18:37] <somaunn> bye bye guys
[18:37] <inetpro> there is also PCMan File Manager and many others
[18:38] <inetpro> aptitude show pcmanfm
[18:38] <Kilos> i dont understand why synaptic cant reinstall nautilus
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... you and your re-install tendencies
[18:39] <inetpro> not sure it is always necessary
[18:39] <Kilos> nope it was psu prob here
[18:40] <Kilos> since i put drives on external power no more probs
[18:40] <inetpro> btw, good evening everyone
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: please excuse me
[18:41]  * inetpro is very tired
[18:41] <Kilos> ok
[18:42] <inetpro> waking up early taking it's toll
[18:42] <Kilos> get some rest
[18:42] <Kilos> old peeps cant take the pace in this modern world
[18:42] <inetpro> :-)
[18:43] <Kilos> hehehe
[18:43] <Golynx> Kilos what was the 2 files sizes
[18:44] <Kilos> scroll back
[18:44] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[18:44] <inetpro> has somaunn come right?
[18:44] <Kilos> ik dunno
[18:44] <Kilos> forgot what he asked
[18:44] <Kilos> oh
[18:45] <inetpro> with the shells
[18:45] <Golynx> oh lol
[18:45] <Kilos> something that works like something in windows
[18:45] <Kilos> oh that
[18:45] <Kilos> i dunno
[18:45] <Golynx> You sure its only those 2 nautilus got ?
[18:45] <Kilos> he will learn some from lpi manual he said
[18:45] <inetpro> ai!
[18:45] <Kilos> might be more
[18:46] <Kilos> wait lets try something else
[18:46] <inetpro> does it teach the basics?
[18:46] <Kilos> ya its lekker man
[18:46] <inetpro> ok
[18:46] <Kilos> up to page 100 i think it was
[18:46] <Kilos> then gets heavy
[18:46] <Kilos> Golynx,
[18:46] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[18:47] <Golynx> Then what was those 2 files for :/
[18:47] <Kilos> did you install them now?
[18:47] <Golynx> No
[18:47] <Kilos> did gdebi work?
[18:47] <Kilos> try that first then
[18:48] <Golynx> if there is more files needed by nautilus i'm not gona install
[18:48] <Kilos> man try one
[18:48] <Kilos> we trying to find the error here
[18:49] <Golynx> It says same version is already installed , and a reinstall button
[18:49] <Kilos> reinstall
[18:49] <Golynx> ok
[18:51] <Kilos> oh inetpro i dont know what you mean by basics
[18:52] <Kilos> i dont know how much somaun knows
[18:52] <Kilos> or how little
[18:52] <Golynx> it said installation complete : in status loader bar ,
[18:52] <inetpro> something that explains shells in a bit more detail
[18:52] <Kilos> oh so you broke something in synaptic
[18:52] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[18:53] <Kilos> close gdebi first
[18:53] <Golynx> ok
[18:53] <Kilos> done?
[18:54] <Golynx> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[18:54] <Golynx>   synaptic{p}
[18:54] <Golynx> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:54] <Golynx> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 7 779 kB will be freed.
[18:54] <Kilos> inetpro, ill help him tomorrow if i can with more basic stuff
[18:54] <Kilos> yes Golynx
[18:54] <Golynx> ok
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[18:55] <Kilos> i thought he was clued up with linux
[18:55] <Golynx> (Reading database ... 316670 files and directories currently installed.)
[18:55] <Golynx> Removing synaptic ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Purging configuration files for synaptic ...
[18:55] <Golynx> dpkg: warning: while removing synaptic, directory '/var/lib/synaptic' not empty so not removed.
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for bamfdaemon ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
[18:55] <Golynx> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
[18:56] <Kilos> but to drop him into vim is heavy if he know nothing about linux
[18:56] <Kilos> lol Golynx you actually spamming here
[18:56] <Golynx> I dunno the error sorry
[18:57] <Kilos> try sudo apt-get remove synaptic
[18:57] <Golynx> ok
[18:58] <Golynx> Package synaptic is not installed, so not removed
[18:59] <Golynx> Should i delete the Synaptic folder in /var/lib/synaptic
[18:59] <Kilos> yes if you can
[19:00] <Golynx> Nope cannot
[19:00] <Kilos> ok now we need clever help
[19:00] <Golynx> hmm
[19:01] <Kilos> i at times do things as root but thats dangerous in your hands now still
[19:02] <Kilos> that might contain the conf files of sysnaptic
[19:02] <Kilos> inetpro, how do we delete that file please
[19:02] <Kilos> /var/lib/synaptic
[19:03] <inetpro> ai! you guys like breaking things?
[19:03] <Kilos> i dunno chroot
[19:03] <Kilos> i can chown it but that dangerous too
[19:03] <inetpro> chroot has absolutely nothing to do with it
[19:03] <Kilos> ok can we chown it then delete it
[19:04] <inetpro> no
[19:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:04] <Golynx> This is inside the preference file in that folder. Package: gimp
[19:04] <Golynx> Pin: version 2.6.12-1ubuntu1.3
[19:04] <Golynx> Pin-Priority: 1001
[19:04] <inetpro> if you have to delete it, and I don't know why, then you can do it with rm
[19:04] <Kilos> only gimp?
[19:04] <inetpro> man rm
[19:04] <Kilos> sudo aptitude remove gimp
[19:05] <Golynx> Yes only gimp
[19:05] <Golynx> ok
[19:05] <Kilos> when i wanted to rm the other day guys told me dont do that
[19:05] <inetpro> sudo rm -r /target/folder/owned/by/root
[19:05] <Golynx> Wait is it cause gimp is still locked from upgrades ?
[19:06] <Kilos> remove it
[19:06] <Kilos> or wont it
[19:07] <Kilos> here we go Golynx
[19:07] <Golynx> I think gimp is gone
[19:07] <Kilos> sudo rm -r /var/lib/synaptic
[19:08] <Golynx> its gone now, at the cost of gimp grrr
[19:09] <Kilos> no man
[19:09] <Golynx> Already removed gimp
[19:09] <inetpro> charl: Die Grüne Woche (Groen Week) open vanaand amptelik in die Duitse hoofstad
[19:09] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[19:10] <Golynx> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[19:10] <Golynx> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:10] <Golynx> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
[19:10] <Kilos> that wasnt the gimp package
[19:11] <Kilos> sudo maptitude install synaptic
[19:11] <Kilos> ai!
[19:11] <Golynx> hmm
[19:11] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install synaptic
[19:12] <Kilos> we can get gimp back from the dvd again
[19:12] <Kilos> but it will also be like a minimal install
[19:12] <Kilos> i think
[19:12] <Golynx> it stopped at: Setting up synaptic (0.75.9ubuntu1) ...
[19:13] <Kilos> whew what have you done there
[19:13] <Kilos> it might take a while
[19:14] <Golynx> Nope it stopped totally
[19:14] <Kilos> if it hasnt finished by next week we install everything from scratch
[19:14] <Kilos> ok close that terminal
[19:14] <Kilos> ctrl+c
[19:15] <Kilos> should go back to prompt
[19:15] <Golynx> Was already at prompt
[19:15] <Kilos> ah ok
[19:15]  * inetpro falling asleep
[19:15] <inetpro> good night
[19:15] <Kilos> lets try sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:15] <Kilos> lekker slaap inetpro
[19:15] <Golynx> night inetpro
[19:16] <Golynx> ok
[19:16] <Kilos> if it was at the prompt it is installed
[19:16] <Golynx> synaptic is already the newest version.
[19:16] <Golynx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Golynx> already installed ?
[19:17] <Kilos> ok open it and see if nautilus can reinstall
[19:17] <Kilos> when it goes back to prompt its finished installing
[19:17] <Golynx> ok ,but still no reinstall option with nautilus
[19:18] <Kilos> eish
[19:18] <Kilos> you musta unticked more stuff
[19:18] <Kilos> like when you couldnt update
[19:19] <Golynx> Cant be , i just installed some apps i wanted
[19:19] <Kilos> what do you see in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[19:20] <Kilos> from where did you install them?
[19:20] <Golynx> only programs stuff i installed
[19:21] <Kilos> from the repos?
[19:21] <Kilos> or online stuff
[19:21] <Golynx> Synaptic , via the tick option and clicking Apply
[19:21] <Kilos> those are safe
[19:21] <Kilos> you gotta watch online stuff
[19:22] <Golynx> Ya , only ubuntu-tweak i installed from its website
[19:22] <Kilos> so whats in archives
[19:23] <Kilos> if you go to /var/cache/apt/ archives and right click properties on archives you should see the size of you downloads
[19:23] <Golynx> Apache2 , php, python, alot of graphics driver stuff, one mysql install i aborted
[19:23] <Kilos> ok
[19:24] <Kilos> make a folder on desktop
[19:24] <Kilos> name it precise
[19:24] <Golynx> ok
[19:24] <Kilos> you mustnt abort stuff while installing
[19:24] <Kilos> now
[19:25] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ ~/Desktop/precise/
[19:25] <Golynx> ok
[19:25] <Golynx> Done
[19:26] <Kilos> if you have a stick or external you can save them there
[19:27] <Golynx> oh is that the backup way for the packages
[19:27] <Kilos> how big is the precise folder
[19:27] <Golynx> 137Mb
[19:27] <Kilos> ok so at least thats saved
[19:27] <Kilos> you might need to rinstall to fix whatever is wrong
[19:28] <Golynx> ok
[19:28] <Kilos> i dont know why synaptic dont wanna work
[19:29] <Kilos> but with gdebi working that can help
[19:29] <Golynx> Its ok , i will ma work like this, its not that bad
[19:29] <Kilos> you should still be able to install with apt-get and aptitude
[19:30] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall gimp
[19:30] <Golynx> Atleast there are other ways
[19:30] <Kilos> yeah
[19:30] <Kilos> most things can be fixed but sometimes it is quicker to reinstall than try find the prob
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:31] <Golynx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:31] <Kilos> synaptic open?
[19:31] <Golynx> lol ai
[19:31] <Kilos> hha
[19:32] <Golynx> Dont wana reinstall
[19:33] <Kilos> its something you did when you went mad unticking and locking stuff
[19:34] <Golynx> lol, its installing now via synaptic
[19:34] <Kilos> gimp?
[19:35] <Golynx> i saw all other gimp files there had green ticks except the main gimp file
[19:35] <Kilos> ah
[19:36] <Golynx> That one had the lock on
[19:36] <Kilos> you should reinstall all the gimp ones that way
[19:36] <Kilos> and look here
[19:36] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/276408/what-alternatives-to-nautilus-exist-which-are-more-responsive
[19:36] <Kilos> but use nothing thats not in synaptic
[19:37] <Golynx> ty i will try see if theres something better than nautilus
[19:37] <Kilos> ok then can i go sleep now?
[19:38] <Kilos> carry on tomorrow
[19:38] <Golynx> Yes you can :)
[19:38] <Kilos> ty
[19:38] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:38] <Golynx> No thanks , already wasted alot of data
[19:38] <Golynx> night night
[19:38] <psychicist> good night Kilos
[19:38] <psychicist> hi Golynx
[19:39] <Golynx> Hi psychicist
[20:10] <Golynx> night guys


[23:02] <Acerio> I signed up for the Ubuntu Hardened team via LaunchPad, about how long until the request is reviewed? And what are the odds of getting accepted?
[23:20] <Acerio> (I sent that in the wrong channel! Whoops)


[00:00] <mgz> and the second is mostly a niggle:
[00:00] <mgz> if you look at testtools.testcase.TestCase.expectFailure, do you see any way *not* to create a cycle there?
[00:03]  * mgz heads back up a bit and branches lp:python-fixtures to look at it
[00:05] <lifeless> mgz: whats the cycle on? the frame contents ?
[00:06] <lifeless> try: raise _ExpectedFailure(exc_info) finally: del exc_info  again ?
[00:06] <mgz> yup, puts exc_info in the exception instance it's rerasing
[00:07] <mgz> ^right, that's not good enough in this case because the reraise keeps the original traceback frames alive
[00:08] <mgz> that plus _ExpectedFailure((exc_info[0], exc_info[1], None)) works,
[00:08] <lifeless> mangle the frames ?
[00:09] <mgz> that's what I'd like, I'm not sure how though.
[00:09] <lifeless> 'stabbity stabbity'
[00:10] <mgz> eheheh
[00:11] <mgz> I'll put up my testtools changes as well now (which are basically just that try/finally/del in a few places)
[00:11] <mgz> but that method stumped me.
[00:40] <lifeless> mgz: I'll look in more detail a little layer
[00:41] <mgz> python-fixtures looks shiny. I'd like to see some harder examples of things like how it'd work with testresources though.
[00:42] <mgz> ^lifeless: that'd be great.
[00:42] <lifeless> so I plan to write a decorator for testresources
[00:42] <lifeless> and deprecate testresources internal fixture-like api
[00:42] <lifeless> so a resource becomes ReferenceCounter(fixture)
[00:43] <lifeless> [roughly, mumble]
[00:43] <mgz> :)
[00:43] <lifeless> possibly even auto-do that
[00:44] <mgz> bed for me now. have guests staying and it might be considered impolite to hack late.
[00:45] <mgz> I'll try and tie up the remaining loose en...cycles this week.
[00:54] <lifeless> mgz: cool! ciao
[02:15] <m3ga> poolie: any idea how i might recover from that problem i had on friday?
[02:15] <m3ga> 'morning btw :-)
[02:38] <m3ga> poolie: don't worry about it, i managed to branch last_rev - 1
[03:46] <poolie> hi m3ga, that's just what i would have suggested
[03:47] <poolie> i think i said it on the bug
[06:44] <spiv> The divergence of the various stable branches vs. trunk was bugging me so I'm merging them up, but 2.1->2.2 is failing the trivial merge because the test for bug 192859 seems to be tripping over some sort of change in conflict handling in 2.2.
[06:52] <spiv> Ah, WorkingTree.list_files seems to need a similar fix.
[07:02] <poolie> hi spiv
[09:35] <ciss> hi, i want to temporarily version a directory that contains sub directories already versioned by svn. if i call "add", only one directory gets added (the only one not versioned by svn). if i then call "add a_versioned_directory", bzr imports the svn revisions. how can i prevent that without deleting the svn metadata?
[09:35] <fullermd> Disable bzr-svn?
[09:36] <fullermd> (via uninstalling it, or moving it aside, or use of --no-plugins, etc, depending on how drastic you care to be)
[09:42] <ciss> i have installed bazaar using the osx installer. where can i find the plugin directory?
[09:45] <fullermd> No idea.
[09:45] <fullermd> But you can use --no-plugins at any rate.
[09:45] <ciss> --no-plugins gave me a key error (?) when bazaar encountered a file name containing umlauts
[09:45] <ciss> i found the directory
[09:46] <fullermd> That's...   interesting.
[09:46] <fullermd> I know that OS X does some interesting things with character encoding.  Maybe there's a special plugin included with the installer to deal with that...
[09:49] <ciss> error and traceback: http://pastebin.com/xi2ySRAG
[09:51] <ciss> o-kay ... this is not caused by --no-plugins
[09:51] <ciss> i moved the svn plugin, added again - same error
[09:54] <ciss> found an explanation and a workaround: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2007q2/024773.html
[09:55] <ciss> so much for the "init --knit" workaround ...
[09:56] <fullermd> Without the svn plugin, I can't imagine how or why bzr would be doing anything with svn revs.
[09:56] <fullermd> You'll probably have to wait 'till jelmer is up and about.
[09:56] <ciss> this has nothing to do with the svn plugin. it's about how osx handles encoding of umlauts in file names
[09:57] <fullermd> Oh.  Yeah, that's its own little thing.
[10:00] <lifeless> NKD whatever
[10:01] <fullermd> I thought we'd handled all that in recent versions though.
[10:08] <ciss> hm ... only umlauts in directory names seem to be a problem. file names containing umlauts are added without any errors
[10:09] <fullermd> AIUI, it's not so much the presence of any particular character, but rather that OS X does normalization of the file names.
[10:09] <fullermd> So if you write a particular file name, then scan the directory, the sequence of bytes defining the file name will be different.
[10:09] <fullermd> (there being several ways you can encode various characters in Unicode)
[10:09] <lifeless> ciss: ok, so a bug in a particular code path - please do file a bug
[10:11] <ciss> lifeless, could you do that for me? i don't have a launchpad account and don't feel like registering just for a bug report
[10:11] <ciss> again, the stack trace: http://pastebin.com/xi2ySRAG
[10:12] <ciss> system is osx 10.5.8, using the 2.2 stable installer for osx leopard (python 2.5)
[10:14] <lifeless> ciss: if we don't have a reproducable test, we need to be able to contact you to work through the details until we do.
[10:14] <lifeless> so I can file a bug saying you reported the issue, but IME that means we'll eventually close it saying 'cannot reproduce or contact the reporter', which is unsatisfactory.
[10:15] <ciss> ok, i'll file one myself. might take a while though til i get to it
[10:59] <sabdfl> hi folks
[11:00] <sabdfl> http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/daily-builds-rock-but-bzr-imports-suck/ anybody want to lend him a hand?
[11:00] <sabdfl> are those import problems known issues?
[11:03] <jelmer> hi sabdfl
[11:04] <jelmer> sabdfl: Yes, unfortunately. The Audacious and Eclipse ones might not be too hard to fix. The Git submodules ones are harder, since they require nested tree support in bzr.
[11:09] <sabdfl> thanks jelmer
[13:01] <poolie> yeah, i think we should try to do them soon
[17:36] <knittl> hi. i tried to import an svn repository into bzr, but it crashes with a unicodedecodeerror
[17:37] <jelmer> knittl, hi
[17:37] <jelmer> knittl, can you paste the traceback?
[17:38] <knittl> just a sec
[17:38] <knittl> http://paste2.org/p/952628
[17:45]  * jelmer tries to reproduce
[17:45] <knittl> it was only in rev 1600-something
[18:11] <jelmer> knittl: fixed in bzr-svn trunk
[18:11] <knittl> that was fast
[18:11] <knittl> where's the trunk located?
[18:12] <jelmer> lp:bzr-svn
[18:12] <knittl> jelmer: thx
[18:22] <knittl> jelmer: it crashed again. i did bzr co lp:bzr-svn; cd bzr-svn; sudo python setup.py install
[18:25] <jelmer> knittl: how did it crash exactly?
[18:25] <jelmer> knittl: Are you sure it's using the bzr-svn you just installed?
[18:25] <knittl> jelmer: how can i check/select it?
[18:25] <jelmer> (bzr plugins -v will tell you, it should say "1.0.4dev")
[18:25] <knittl> it crashed the same way
[18:25] <knittl> hm no. 1.0.3
[18:25] <knittl> how can i activate the dev version?
[18:26] <jelmer> Move the checkout of lp:bzr-svn to ~/.bazaar/plugins/svn
[18:27] <knittl> i created a symlink ;) shows now the correct version. now for try 3
[18:27] <knittl> but shouldn't running setup.py install correctly set it up?
[18:28] <jelmer> knittl: Not necessarily; it picks up the first version of bzr-svn it finds
[18:28] <jelmer> you already have a system-installed bzr-svn
[18:28] <knittl> ok
[18:29] <marienz> I don't think "sudo python setup.py install" is a good idea on a package-managed system (for any python package)
[18:30] <marienz> if there's an already-installed package-managed version it'll either overwrite it (which may not work reliably if files moved or were removed) or it might install to a different directory (and the newer version might not actually be importable)
[18:31] <knittl> usually there's usr/local for that
[18:40] <jelmer> knittl, anyway, I'm off. If you can still reproduce the issue even with 1.0.4dev, please file a bug or drop me an email (jelmer at samba.dot org)
[18:41] <knittl> jelmer: it did work before. but i accidentally deleted the real folder instead of the backup :x
[18:41] <knittl> but i should get i t to work now
[18:41] <knittl> bzr: ERROR: The branch https://svn.neo-layout.org has no revision None.
[18:41] <jml> I wish WorkingTree, Branch and Repository had consistent attribute names for the base directory.
[18:50] <jml> I'd like to make a working tree that has another branch (tree?) merged into it, in order to test a script I'm writing. How would I do that most easily using bzrlib?
[18:57] <knittl> ah man. why do i use clone instead of svn-import? *facepalm*
[20:01] <lvh> Hi. In a repo with a bunch of branches, is there a bzr command I should be using instead of just rm -r for branches I no longer want to keep?
[20:02] <marienz> there's some plugin that kills unreachable revisions from the repo
[20:03] <LeoNerd> Just killing the branch won't recover much disk space, if it's a shared repo. It also wno't make the actual revisions not present any more
[20:03] <lvh> LeoNerd: I understand both of those things
[20:04] <lvh> I just dislike having a few hundred branches lying around, 99% I don't care about
[20:04] <lvh> (Mostly because they were introduced to fix a bug)
[20:04] <marienz> unfortunately I cannot find it
[20:04] <marienz> if you don't mind stale revisions still taking up some space and being recoverable if you can find their id "rm" is fine
[20:05] <lvh> They're mirrored somewhere else anyway
[20:05] <marienz> and if all those branches were merged there's nothing extra to remove
[20:05] <lvh> I was just hoping there was a bzr command that could prune a branch and get rid of the repo junk
[20:05] <marienz> remove-revisions might be it
[20:05] <marienz> but I thought there was some other thing
[20:06] <marienz> perhaps it's part of bzrtools
[20:06] <lvh> meh, it's not a big thing, I'll just rm them
[20:06] <lvh> once in a while: bzr init-repo foo & get trunk from lp :)
[20:07] <fullermd> It's probably called gc or something.  I don't think it ever got any significant distance past PoC.
[20:07] <lvh> fullermd: admittedly since the majority of those branches got merged it's not a big difference
[20:07] <marienz> yeah
[20:07] <marienz> it's only a hassle if you have a significant amount of changes that didn't get merged, or if there's something scary in those unmerged changes that you want gone from the repo
[20:10] <lvh> <- not stalin
[20:10] <lvh> I don't edit pictures or repositories for mistakes ;-)
[20:12] <fullermd> Well, it's an important thing to do in nuclear* situations.
[20:12] <fullermd> But there are plenty of conventional situations where it's more a desire than a requirement  ;p
[20:27] <rubbs> yeah, a friend of mine had to do some repo editing when his company gave him the go-ahead to open source a log analysis tool he created. Problem was he had it in the same svn repo as some of their private internal stuff. He had to manually pick out the history so he could publish it out.
[21:20] <SpookyET> Hello. Scratching my head. Is it possible to colour bzr output like hg and git?
[21:20] <SpookyET> Either through a configuration file or plugin.
[21:25] <GaryvdM> SpookyET: Which command? diff?
[21:25] <SpookyET> GaryvdM: Everything: status, diff, log, etc.
[21:28] <GaryvdM> SpookyET: There is a cdiff command from the bzrtools plugin, which you can alias to diff
[21:28] <GaryvdM> bzr shelve has color by default
[21:28] <GaryvdM> but I don't think anything else has color.
[21:28]  * GaryvdM checks if there is a bug loged
[21:28] <GaryvdM> *logged
[21:33] <GaryvdM> SpookyET: Bug 597626
[21:33] <SpookyET> Thank you.
[22:33] <poolie> good morning GaryvdM, all
[22:33] <GaryvdM> Hi poolie.


[12:11] <bo_> hi guys.. i filed this bug:
[12:11] <bo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/984866
[12:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984866 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "black screen on sonyvaio vpccw1 with kernel 3.4rcX" [Undecided,New]
[12:12] <bo_> somebody in nouveau said it may be not a nouveau bug
[12:17] <bo_> hi guys: i filed a bug on blackscreen on nvidiagt230m, NV50.
[12:17] <bo_> you can see the difference in kern.log btw 3.3.4 (working) and 3.4 (not working).
[12:17] <bo_> in particular in 3.3.4 there is line: "video LNXVIDEO:00: Restoring backlight state" which in 3.4 is missing (" video: probe of LNXVIDEO:00 failed with error -5")
[13:01] <dupondje> bo_: No connectors reported connected with modes seems odd
[13:04] <dupondje> you get similar reports before: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=no%20connectors%20reported%20connected%20with%20modes&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFsQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F515246&ei=tRmpT6jFCs6N-wa_vaz0Ag&usg=AFQjCNHshU9dmYsmwpuyIhjWhmgsQ97ruw&cad=rja
[13:04] <dupondje> eeh https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/515246 :)
[13:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 515246 in linux "Intel 915GM/GMS/910GML: blank screen after booting 2.6.32" [High,Fix released]
[13:06] <bo_> mmm.. i had some edid related problem (blackscreen) btw about 2.6.33 - 2.6.38, and then no problem until 3.4
[13:08] <bo_> dupondje:
[15:43] <greearb> any 'casper' developers here, or folks familiar with adding stuff to the initrd?
[15:48] <greearb> I think *fsck needs to be added to the initrd and run on the casper-rw file before mounting it, otherwise a system crash can corrupt casper-rw and you can never boot properly again unless you manually fsck casper-rw on a different machine...
[16:04] <dileks> greearb: think most of the ubuntu developers are at UDS
[16:05] <greearb> nod...trying to hack it myself..should no soon how hard that is going to be.
[16:05] <dileks> casper and clowns :-)
[18:54] <hrw> hi
[18:55] <hrw> can someone tell me how to convince audio driver to not eat 2W of power when music is not played at all?
[18:57] <dileks> you checked with a tool like powertop whats going on?
[18:58] <dileks> powertop displays some nice recommendations
[18:58] <hrw> powertop 1.97 told me that
[18:59] <hrw> kill of pulseaudio helped anyway - so will have to rather ask desktop team
[19:01] <hrw> 1/3 of power == wifi but atleast no audio and bt anymore


[04:44] <birkoff> trying to run latest kubuntu 64bit iso on VMWARE getting kernel panic
[04:48] <birkoff> http://i.imgur.com/75VOmEc.png
[04:56] <birkoff> im also getting wrong SHA256 hash
[05:14] <birkoff> i redownloaded and get correct hash
[05:14] <birkoff> but the system restarts after the loading "kubuntu" screen
[05:15] <birkoff> now it's just flashing
[05:16] <birkoff> and now " unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem"
[05:16] <birkoff> (initramfs)
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning
[17:05] <acheronuk> Krita foundation is in trouble
[17:05] <acheronuk> ChloeWolfieGirl
[17:06]  * acheronuk has no idea how that got on my clipboard
[17:06] <acheronuk> link is https://krita.org/en/item/krita-foundation-in-trouble/
 haunted!
[17:08] <acheronuk> I blame tsimonq2. One of his friends :P
[17:22] <user|93075> Use Windows 10 and KUbuntu? https://thepasteb.in/p/66hVw5XZ45NIW
[17:22] <user|93075> HelIo I have a Windows 10 PC. I wants to use Windows and Kubuntu can I do that? I don't want to lose my files. Can I boot it from a USB and if I remove the USB use Windows?
[17:24] <user|36732> HelIo I have a Windows 10 PC. I wants to use Windows and Kubuntu can I do that? I don't want to lose my files. Can I boot it from a USB and if I remove the USB use Windows?
 @user|36732 you can do it that way, or install Kubuntu beside your Windows install
 either way works
[20:43] <user|50649> Bonjour
[20:43] <user|50649> je suis français
[20:43] <user|50649> je prépare un mémoire sur les logiciels libres
[20:43] <user|50649> je fais des recherches sur les méthodes de financement
[20:44] <user|50649> j'aurai souhaité savoir celle de kubuntu
[20:44] <user|50649> pour des recherches statistiques
[20:49] <Dragnslcr> !fr user|50649
[20:50] <Dragnslcr> !fr | user|50649
[20:51] <Dragnslcr> You could also try the kubuntu-devel mailing list
[20:51] <Dragnslcr> (My French isn't quite good enough to help without sounding like an idiot)
[20:52] <user|50649> i can speak English als
[20:52] <user|50649> also
[20:53] <user|50649> i'm trying to do some statistics about free software and there Financial models
[20:53] <Dragnslcr> Most people here won't know much about the financial details for Ubuntu
[20:53] <Dragnslcr> Ubuntu is funded primarily by Canonical
 Canonical would be better to ask
 Yea
[20:53] <user|50649> thanks for your help
[20:54] <Dragnslcr> I don't know how much they use for Kubuntu-specific work
[20:56] <Dragnslcr> https://www.ubuntu.com/about/contact-us has some contact information for Canonical
[20:56] <user|50649> i send an email yet, i'm waiting for some news
[20:56] <user|50649> thanks for your help
 When will you update Discover? It always crashes!
[22:24] <android_> how to start tde with X
[22:24] <android_> where is the window manager


[03:46] <cyberanger> quiet day
[03:46] <Unit193> Yep, sure is!
[03:46] <cyberanger> nearly 24 hours, wow
[03:50] <Unit193> I got my OpenBox to look a little better (QT matches the GTK theme too) http://i.imgur.com/H67hc.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/0BiKH.png - http://i.imgur.com/UzDqc.png
[04:12] <wrst> cyberanger, Unit193 how you doing?
[04:20] <orangeninja> hello
[04:30] <wrst> hey orangeninja
[04:34] <Unit193> wrst: Howdy!
[04:34] <Unit193> orangeninja: And howdy to you too
[04:35] <wrst> howdy Unit193
[04:36] <Unit193> First time to do the mini > add packages 'til you like it ;) (I may not be done yet)
[04:58] <orangeninja> dang I missed everybody!!!!
[04:59] <Unit193> wrst: I guess we are nobody...
[05:00] <wrst> yeah i'm used to it Unit193 :)
[05:00] <orangeninja> ha, I you guys answered  so long ago, I thought you were gone... sorry
[05:00] <orangeninja> how have yall been?
[19:04] <cyberanger> man Facebook changed code again, time to rewrite more scripts
[19:07] <Unit193> Greasemonkey?
[19:08] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, bash & tcpdump
[19:08] <Unit193> Hmmm.... Functions?
[19:08] <cyberanger> sniff and grab uid's
[19:08] <cyberanger> (no passwords, approved lan's only)
[19:13] <cyberanger> blocking is ineffective, might as well have something that works