[00:19] <bigcalm> I appear to have a fully working system again (glad I backed up my home dir)
[00:19] <bigcalm> Making do with the free drivers
[00:30] <daftykins> \o/
[00:30] <daftykins> congrats
[01:08] <diddledan> my cpufan is going like stink on a newly installed server-12.04. I'm assuming the server release doesn't include any speedstep out-of-the-box?
[01:09] <daftykins> seems likely
[01:41] <diddledan> I think I'm going to replace the cpu-cooler on this machine
[01:41] <daftykins> unrelated?
[01:42] <diddledan> worryingly when I inherited the box the cooler wasn't fastened to the board properly so I'm wondering now whether there was any thermal grease
[01:43] <diddledan> it's currently being sensed as running at 70C and that was climbing before I turned down the cpu frequency
[01:44] <diddledan> unrelated but a similar issue is the nvidia quadro vga card seems to be getting too hot also
[01:45] <daftykins> thermal paste for them both perhaps :D
[01:47] <diddledan> lm-sensors is a useful thing
[01:48] <daftykins> how was the sink not on properly? 0o
[01:49] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6759620/
[01:49] <diddledan> three of the four fixing poles were loose
[01:49] <daftykins> :S
[01:50] <diddledan> it's an intel i7 so it has that funky quick-release fixing
[01:50] <daftykins> four black plastic posts that spin 90 degrees?
[01:50] <diddledan> push-down plungers to affix onto the board
[01:50] <diddledan> yups those
[01:50] <daftykins> that's been true since a looooong time
[01:50] <daftykins> oops poor english there
[01:51] <diddledan> have you turned German?
[01:51] <daftykins> the design has been around since the original core's i think
[01:51] <daftykins> ja, warum?
[01:51] <diddledan> "I've been in this channel since 5 years"
[01:52] <diddledan> or some other bad engrish
[01:52] <daftykins> :D
[01:52] <daftykins> but yeah it might've had a very thin layer
[01:52] <daftykins> but get yourself some arctic silver 5
[01:52] <daftykins> \o/
[02:01] <diddledan> I need a measuring stick to work out how much space this box has
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> Good morning everyone!
[08:18]  * dwatkins_ has now been migrated to Office 365
[08:18] <dwatkins_> This could be interesting, in several ways.
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: :( poor you
[08:20] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yeah, my employer seems to think it's a good idea, but I'm not so comfortable with having our mailboxes managed by a third party
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: And not just any third pary..
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> +t
[08:20] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: indeed, although they're not a competitor, it still means (in theory) that they can read our mail.
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> but they'd NEVER do that, right?
[08:25] <dwatkins> *cough*
[08:26] <diplo> Morning all
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> hi diplo
[08:31] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZygn1ukNc
[08:40] <diplo> Really wouldn't want my mail hosted with a 3rd party either
[08:41] <jussi> morning all
[08:42] <jussi> Im still high from the cocaine... err... medication. but, I need a small bit of advice.
[08:43] <jussi> I need a video plugin for chrome that is actually decently useable, not htis totem crap. there used to be mozilla-plugin-vlc - but that doesnt seem to exist any more....
[08:43] <Myrtti> "don't joke about substance abuse on an IRC channel publicly logged"?
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: maybe he's not joking
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> jussi: browser-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC
[08:46] <jussi> Myrtti: given that the medication is an opiate, it hardly is a joke about substance abuse.
[08:47] <jussi> Myrtti: thanks. do you happen to remember the name of the totem plugin so I can remove it?
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you can just disable it in about://plugins right?
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> jussi: "apt-cache search totem plugin" otherwise :)
[08:48] <jussi> hrm, potentially... let me check.
[08:49] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:49] <bigcalm> Back on Linux, yay
[08:49] <jussi> weird. browser says I have vlc plugin. why then do I have a plugin that I cant adjust where I am in the stream?
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> jussi: becuase the site asked the vlc plugin to disallow that?
[08:52] <popey> pip pip
[08:52] <jussi> MartijnVdS: that would be a suprise, as the stream is playable on my android phone and I can do that...
[08:53] <popey> jussi: i personally never use embedded video players. i tend to extract the stream url and launch vlc or mplayer manually
[08:53] <DJones> Why does the font/text/update window for the Java updater on windows looks like something that was designed to run on Windows 3.0
[08:53] <jussi> ooh, now vlc just crashes... lovely. and there is a nice typo bug there...
[08:54] <DJones> Ugh, looks awefull
[08:54] <jussi> bah, ubuntu's screenshot app is very poor
[08:55] <jussi> its funny, all the little things Im used to in kubuntu...
[08:56] <popey> i use Shutter which is very nice
[09:05] <jussi> popey: will it auto map the keys for that if I install it?
[09:05] <popey> no
[09:06] <popey> http://shutter-project.org/faq-help/set-shutter-as-the-default-screenshot-tool/
[09:06] <popey> comprehensive guide there
[09:06] <popey> even covers the niche desktop "KDE"
[09:06] <jussi> cripes, that was a lot of deps...
[09:06] <SuperMatt> my boss seems to have done the incomprehensible. I created a backup script which uses rsync and hard links to make daily backups of a server. I originally set the script to keep 30 days worth, and the boss has reduced it to 7
[09:07] <SuperMatt> because it's hard links, those extra 23 days really don't take up any extra space
[09:07] <popey> sure they do
[09:07] <popey> deltas
[09:07] <jussi> SuperMatt: does your boss have pointy hair?
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: some kind of data destruction policy?
[09:10] <SuperMatt> popey: sure, but a lot of the data I sync changes rarely
[09:10] <SuperMatt> so it's nice to have a month to spot a mistake, rather than 7 days, or whatever
[09:13] <popey> thats annoying then
[09:14] <SuperMatt> indeed
[09:14] <SuperMatt> oh well
[09:14] <SuperMatt> he's obviously done it to get things back to the way he likes it when I leave tomorrow
[09:15] <SuperMatt> mustn't grumble
[09:15] <diplo> And you'll get the blame Monday when things go wrong :D
[09:28] <SuperMatt> diplo: naturally ;)
[09:30] <bigcalm> Dave2: my tea did not nearly burn me. I am disappointed
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Nothing Day! :-D
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait:
[09:31] <SuperMatt> Nothing day?
[09:31] <SuperMatt> we have nothing to celebrate?
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Nothing_Day
[09:31] <SuperMatt> or we're supposed to be celebrating the concept of nothingness?
[09:32] <SuperMatt> hilarious
[09:32] <JamesTait> I do feel we need some British events on this calendar though.
[09:34] <SuperMatt> we'd just end up with national whippet and flatcap day
[09:34] <SuperMatt> yorkshire pudding day
[09:35] <foobarry> airfix day
[09:35] <SuperMatt> ooh yes
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I would go in for that day
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> Cornish Pasty Day? Please?
[09:35] <foobarry> every day is pasty day
[09:35] <foobarry> sausage sandwich day
[09:36] <SuperMatt> dammit lads, I now want a sausage sandwich
[09:36] <SuperMatt> replete with extra cheese and bacon
[09:37] <shauno> I had a chuckle when I moved to michigan.  turns out the upper peninsula is full of cornish immigrants (where there's tin mines, there's cornish ..).  So they thought pasties were a local thing
[09:37] <popey> poached egg day
[09:38] <shauno> much confusion when the 'foreigner' required no introduction to pasties
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> heh
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> shauno: weird 'muricans
[09:39] <SuperMatt> pasties... just smaller, less cheesey calzones
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: a bit less tomato-ey as well
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> and fewer "Italian" herbs :)
[09:39] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: ali1234 apparently there is an app called aemulor which is nonfree, but lets you play old games on the risc os on the pi
[09:39] <SuperMatt> I guess it all really depends on the pastie
[09:40] <foobarry> lamb and mint , or cornish original
[09:42] <SuperMatt> cheese and ham please
[09:45] <SuperMatt> http://sploid.gizmodo.com/time-traveling-photographer-adds-herself-into-her-child-1499112549 <- genuninely cool
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> a "whole" in the space-time continuum? A whole?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> Can't those people English?
[09:46] <SuperMatt> clearly not
[09:46] <SuperMatt> tbh, I think it's bad editors, or lack of
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> \o/ vim
[09:47] <SuperMatt> in the day of print media, that wouldn't have swung, but these days there's such a pressure to publish first that too many mistakes are made
[09:52] <foobarry> you would have thought that wtih 24 hr news channels, you might end up with decent news, but it's still politics and death on a rolling 20 minute repeat
[09:58] <bigcalm> Just disconnected from a client's VPN and noticed that Skype disconnected/reconnected
[09:58] <bigcalm> That's somewhat disturbing
[10:00] <diplo> bigcalm: Sounds like VPN is using remote gateway
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> or skype just bindly reconnects on every network device change
[10:09] <bigcalm> Silly computers
[10:11] <DJones> AlanBell: Are you around for a pm, no rush if you're busy, just want to pick your brains on software for tyre management/stock control/invoicing etc and see if you've come across anything in the opensource market
[10:22] <jussi> DJones: doesnt openerp cover tht pretty well ?
[10:23] <jussi> oh I so want to eat warm things again...
[10:26] <DJones> jussi: Yeah probably, but I suspect we'd need a pre-developed system rather than have to install openerp and then internally develop the system ourselves
[10:28] <DJones> We also want to move to a hosted system accessable via the web & a web browser if possible, rather than having a system installed on our own machines, current system is pretty old and doesn't really work with multiple depots as a single system, have to have an install at each depot which updates the main system daily via a modem rather than via the web
[10:34] <jussi> DJones: guessing you havent seen openerp recently ?
[10:34] <DJones> jussi: No, its not something I've ever used
[10:35] <jussi> DJones: go have a look over it - it has improved significantly recently
[10:35] <jussi> https://www.openerp.com/
[10:35] <jussi> has lots of built in "applications" - like POS, management etc
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> it has a built-in Piece of Sh*t app?
[10:36] <jussi> MartijnVdS: Point of Sales...
[10:40] <DJones> jussi: I've got no doubt it would do most, if not all, things we need, the problem would be getting it up and running in the an industry standard way firstly, linking to 3rd party supplier/customer systems etc, thats without trying to teach a tyre fitter how to switch a computer/tablet on & actually use it to process job sheets
[10:41] <jussi> DJones: yeah, I hear you. guess AlanBell is your man for that...
[10:41] <DJones> Thats more why we'd look for a system already in use first, 1) So we could see how it works and 2) to reduce the setup/configuration needed
[10:45] <jussi> hrm... cold, throat friendly things that are still satisfying.... nope, I couldnt think of any either
[10:46] <DJones> jussi: Fishermens Friend's they're good for bad throats
[10:47] <jussi> DJones: not this kind of bad throat, sadly. (had tonsils out)
[10:47] <DJones> Ah, Chocolate Ice cream?
[10:48] <jussi> yeah, ice cream is good. but gets boring after a while. I wish for a nice roast dinner.... :P
[10:48] <jussi> or a hearty winter stew
[10:48] <jussi> or even a meat pie!
[10:48] <DJones> Heh
[10:49] <jussi> canned fruit salad and ice cream... not so nice when you ar hungry
[10:51] <DJones> I can believe that, my wife had a gastric bypass 12 months ago which probably had similar effects on dietry requirement, she had a month of eating pretty much liquidised/very soft food
[10:51] <AlanBell> DJones: hi, just reading back . . .
[10:51] <jussi> DJones: I think tomorrow I can have warm stuff already - depends on the soreness. if it continues the same then tomorrow is looking good
[10:52] <jussi> btw, anyone know how to make the fingerprint reader on this hp work ?
[10:53] <DJones> AlanBell: The question is more whether you've come across any tyre depot management software, I guess ideally opensource, but that may well be unlikely due to the small market
[10:53] <AlanBell> DJones: what third party system links would it need?
[10:56] <DJones> AlanBell: It has to link to places like Michelin, Goodyear etc for price databases, but the big area is that we have to enter job sheets into a 3rd party system to get authorisation codes before producing invoices and then both systems have to be updated with information from both systems, thats a couple of 3rd party systems that use similar idea but different processing methods
[10:57] <DJones> I think in reality, its unlikly that outside of commercial systems that there would be anything available
[10:58] <AlanBell> yeah, I would start with OpenERP and develop custom modules to do the interfacing
[10:59] <DJones> THis is what we use now http://www.teamsystems.co.uk/Default.asp?page=software but it seems archaic and not particularly updated/developed
[10:59] <AlanBell> and do some other UI tweaks for presenting the invoices with the 4 wheels with alignment information and so on
[11:01] <DJones> Thats the sort of thing I'd expect, although I suspect the directors would probably go down the line of using a 'known industry system' rather than having to have something developed & integrated themselves
[11:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:02] <DJones> There's probably also an issue in terms of getting approval from the 3rd party systems to link an unknown/new system into their systems
[11:02] <davmor2> Today I've decided is going to be a good day, so everyone enjoy it :D
[11:02] <AlanBell> DJones: yeah, vertical solutions are sometimes the path of least resistance :)
[11:02] <DJones> Sadly yes
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: how did you get on with you Desktop?
[11:03] <AlanBell> however, sometimes they are trying to extract so much money from the sector that it is worth taking a new approach
[11:04] <AlanBell> DJones: could you form a consortium of competitors to fund/build a new open source industry solution?
[11:06] <DJones> AlanBell: I doubt it, the market is pretty small once you exclude the big national chains, we're probably one of the biggest outside the nationals, smaller firms probably wouldn't be as concerned with the limitations of the existing systems
[11:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: fixed it by taring up my home dir, sending it to my server, reinstalling Ubuntu 13.10, copying my home dir back
[11:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's way drastic why did you need to do that?  And then did you do some work in the end ;)
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: I went to bed at 00:15 once I had reinstalled enough packages to start work this morning
[11:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: I got fed up and did what I knew would work
[11:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: making do with the free driver
[11:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm going to have hell with my new laptop next week, aren't I?
[11:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: Why?    The only issue I have had is that trustys 3.13 kernel doesn't like hybrid gfx but that will be fixed
[11:18] <davmor2> DJones: not any more nvidia released a prime driver just work in 3.11 and 3.12 got broken by a change in 3.13 but that will be fixed soon
[11:19] <DJones> davmor2: Interesting
[11:19] <DJones> I might consider a new laptop then
[11:20] <davmor2> DJones: you need < nvidia-313 and nvidia-prime
[11:20] <DJones> Maybe wait until after bigcalm's got his set up & written up his blog about issues and how to fix them :)
[11:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you ever say what laptop you were getting?
[11:29] <DJones> I like the look of the Lenovo y510p
[11:30] <davmor2> and that knock at the door will be my N4
[11:30] <DJones> Ah well, we won't see you for the rest of the day
[11:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: several times ;) http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537
[11:31]  * bigcalm hits refresh on the order page - still in China :(
[11:31] <davmor2> DJones: I have the Lenovo Ideapad Y580 i7 8GB 1TB hdd with optimus gfx can't fault it bah the stupidly sensitive trackpad with no real buttons
[11:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: this page contains the spec of my workstation: http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/
[11:32] <DJones> bigcalm: Thats a good price, similar spec to the lenovo, but £200 cheaper
[11:32] <DJones> Processor slightly different & less memory
[11:33] <bigcalm> Yeah, I couldn't afford the cost of a decent Lenovo
[11:35] <DJones> It says optional touch capeability, or is it just touchscreen anyway, seems to be two different statements on the website
[11:36] <bigcalm> DJones: yeah, bit odd that. I think it's coming with a touch screen. There weren't any options to change the hardware configuration
[11:37] <DJones> I might well be tempted by that, I'll keep watching to see how you get on
[11:38] <DJones> Specially if I can persuade work to buy it for me :)
[11:38] <dwatkins> I just saw someone receive an iPad they won from a competition, I can barely believe my eyes.
[11:38] <bigcalm> dwatkins: you meant that they aren't all scams?
[11:39] <dwatkins> bigcalm: well, this was an internal (corporate) prize draw thing
[11:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: you leaving windows 8 on it (we know how you hate freedom :P)
[11:56] <jussi> hrm, never tought cold meatballs could taste so good...
[11:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: remember that SSD I returned to OCZ? They sent a replacement that has yet to be used in anything. So I'll swap out the HDD for the SSD before Windows 8 gets a chance to irritate me at all
[11:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice
[12:00] <bigcalm> 120GB should be enough for anybody
[12:01]  * bigcalm hits f5
[12:01] <bigcalm> Damn it
[12:01] <bigcalm> Oh, time for a tweet
[12:05] <Myrtti> well. Let me tell you that if I get the BT connect android app to work properly on my phone,, it's a godsent
[12:06] <Myrtti> because it looks like I need to call HMRC
[12:06] <Myrtti> I should calm down a bit, my eyelid has a muscle twitch now...
[12:23] <mapps> hi folks
[12:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: so will +1 be ready for me to put onto the new laptop on Wednesday?
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> sure, I've been running it on my system for months already
[12:37] <bigcalm> But will the kernel and nvidia be ready? :)
[12:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: depends I didn't look at the gfx, if it is dedicated or intel, then yes if it is optimus possibly not but the intel gfx part of it works fine
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I don't know, I avoid nvidia
[12:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: nvidia is good now popey can you confirm that on +1 nvidia is good now?
[12:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: goodie :)
[12:39] <popey> davmor2: my desktop is fine
[12:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: just optimus that is broken currently
[12:39] <popey> 3.13 is sorted
[12:39] <davmor2> popey: except optimus but I might chase up with tseiliot on that after
[12:40] <davmor2> -i
[12:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: the author who died in 1965?
[12:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: no
[12:45] <bigcalm> Aww
[12:49] <foobarry> i remember him from ubuntuforums back a good few years ago now
[12:49] <foobarry> in the era of automatix
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[12:50] <popey> he did another thing like that
[12:50] <popey> what was it called
[12:50] <foobarry> envy?
[12:51] <popey> thats it
[12:51] <popey> then he got hired ☻
[12:51] <foobarry> with alberto milone?
[12:51] <popey> that is him
[12:51] <foobarry> or is that the same guy
[12:51] <foobarry> then everybody tried a dist-upgrade
[12:51] <popey> remember when Michael Dell said he used Ubuntu at home with 12:49:46 < foobarry> in the era of automatix
[12:51] <foobarry> AARRGH ubuntu is lame cannot upgrade
[12:51] <popey> oops
[12:51] <popey> remember when Michael Dell said he used Ubuntu at home automatix
[12:51] <popey> bah
[12:51] <foobarry> i get you
[12:52] <popey> hehe, 2007
[12:52] <popey> http://www.beerorkid.com/2007/04/michael-dell-uses-ubuntu-and-automatix/
[12:52] <foobarry> probably stopped when his upgrade failed
[12:52] <foobarry> i can see why it was created though. it was neceesary to fill a gap
[12:54] <foobarry> either all but 5 of my friends have stopped facebooking or facebook just doesn't wnt to show me their stuff anymore
[12:55] <foobarry> or both
[12:56] <popey> well facebook deliberately limits what you see
[12:56] <popey> they believe you'd get a firehose every time you login otherwise
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> I've been using it less and less
[12:56] <shauno> ironically, the best solution seems to be to have as few friends as possible
[13:01] <foobarry> nice of them to choose who i want to see
[13:01] <foobarry> i tend to hide people or unfriend them if i'm not interested in their waffle
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: oh you influence it, by liking things you get to see more by that person
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: and by commenting etc.
[13:02] <popey> \o/ 32
[13:02] <foobarry> on a related note, can i filter on twitter stream?
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: yes, unfollow
[13:02] <popey> yes, if you use a different client
[13:02] <popey> i use tweetdeck
[13:02] <popey> has good filtering options
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: or make lists and put someine in some lists but not others
[13:02] <shauno> heh, I'm somewhere around the 30 mark too
[13:03] <foobarry> i want to filter the content from a user, to reduce the spam but only get interesting bits
[13:04] <popey> i unfollow noisy people and put them in a "noisy people" list
[13:04] <popey> which is a separate column off to the right on tweetdeck
[13:04] <popey> which i rarely look at
[13:04] <popey> http://imgur.com/Yfksghl
[13:05] <popey> what my tweetdeck looks like
[13:05] <popey> with noisy people off screen (along with DMs) on the right
[13:05] <foobarry> i'm thinking more about accounts like zinio, kindle, kobo : wanna hear about free books and deals, but not other crap. likewise, if you sign up to the email account you are bomarded linkedin style
[13:05] <foobarry> wow. much informations
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> such offer
[13:08] <foobarry> seems strange to companies that i might not want 10 tweets a day from them
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> I tend to not follow companies
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> though you could put them in their own list if you want to
[13:09] <popey> ditto
[13:09] <foobarry> but you still have to check the list
[13:09] <foobarry> and read their crap
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: or not, and don't read it unless you feel like it
[13:09] <popey> i also actively unfollow anyone who promotes a tweet
[13:09] <popey> the only exception to that so far is nokia
[13:09] <foobarry> kindle twitter account have sorted it out now. they only send daily deals
[13:10] <foobarry> thats all i wanna see
[13:10] <foobarry> kindleuk
[13:11]  * popey creates a 'deals' stream and adds that and hotdeals uk to it
[13:11] <foobarry> "When our website goes back online it will not display any self published material until we are completely confident..that inappropriate books can never be shown again"
[13:11] <foobarry> ^^ whsmith. shame their results are full of smut when i search for tame items
[13:13] <popey> yay, added a mk list and put it waaay out of sight
[13:13] <foobarry> mk?
[13:14] <popey> marketing
[13:14] <popey> all my lists are two latter abbreviations
[13:15] <foobarry> but if you have the official twitter app on your phone will you see the whole thing? can you filter on that?
[13:15] <popey> no, i dont
[13:15] <popey> twitter app by default only shows who i am following
[13:15] <popey> people in lists don't have to be followed
[13:15] <foobarry> pretty lame
[13:15] <popey> no, perfect
[13:15] <Laney> ip = interesting people?
[13:15] <foobarry> ah, popey> people in lists don't have to be followed
[13:15] <popey> yes :)
[13:15] <Laney> gd = games developers
[13:16] <Laney> cf...
[13:16] <popey> game dev, yeah
[13:16] <popey> ☻
[13:16] <Laney> that's a tough one
[13:16] <popey> it is?
[13:16] <Dave2> compact flash, obviously
[13:16] <Laney> something folks
[13:16] <popey> it was the first list I made iirc
[13:16] <popey> the names are somewhat loose ☻
[13:18] <popey> cf is basically "close friends" but means "people I probably know in real life and would/do go for beer with, and they tweet quite a bit of interesting stuff, and I also follow them"
[13:18] <popey> but "cf" is shorter
[13:18] <popey> so i see their stuff in the main feed anyway
[13:20] <foobarry> i only use twitter when i'm waiting for my evening train
[13:21] <foobarry> might use it more if it was more flexible in terms of filters
[13:21] <foobarry> maybe i could write my own code to pull tweets from foobarry -> filter ->  foobarryfiltered account
[13:33] <gone_> Hi
[13:34] <gone_> I am new
[13:34] <gone_> Anyone here?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> sometimes
[13:35] <gone_> Good to see you
[13:37] <gone_> Anyone else?
[13:37] <foobarry> yep
[13:37] <gone_> I need help
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[13:37] <foobarry> about to kill my phone to try to fix the terrible slowness
[13:41] <gone_> lubotu3: Ok
[13:45] <gone_> Hello bot, then...
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> gone_: you said you needed help.. with what do you need help? :)
[13:46] <gone_> I'll ask
[13:46] <gone_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584615
[13:46] <gone_> 584615
[13:47] <gone_> I mean s/5846/584615/g
[13:47] <gone_> Ok just e_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584615
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> I can't read the fiery letters"
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> or the Chinese ones, for that matter ;)
[13:48] <gone_> oops
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> could you retry the command, like this:
[13:48] <gone_> Forgot to tell you that I am a Chinese
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> LC_ALL=C make
[13:48] <Myrtti> is this Debian or Ubuntu, and why not ask on a chinese channel?
[13:48] <gone_> Because they are busy...
[13:48] <gone_> Nobody reply me
[13:48] <ali1234> you have missing dependencies
[13:49] <gone_> I've installed libglfw3
[13:49] <directhex> yeah, i can't decipher the chinese. can you do what MartijnVdS suggested, gone_?
[13:49] <foobarry> http://www.cocos2d-x.org/issues/3701
[13:49] <gone_> I've downloaded the source code and installed it
[13:49] <gone_> Ok
[13:49] <gone_> Wait
[13:49] <directhex> that should give you output in english, which we'll be able to read
[13:49] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install libglfw-dev
[13:50] <ali1234> also what foobarry said
[13:50] <directhex> foobarry, good job!
[13:50] <foobarry> \o/
[13:50] <foobarry> the workaround is on this page http://www.cocos2d-x.org/forums/6/topics/42503
[13:50] <gone_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584636
[13:51] <directhex> gone_, thanks, that's definitely the issue foobarry links to, which has a small patch to fix it
[13:53] <gone_> I am reading that link
[13:53] <TREllis> .3
[13:56] <gone_> Thanks~
[13:56] <gone_> Very helpful
[13:56] <foobarry> did it work?
[13:56] <gone_> Trying
[13:59] <shauno> "fiery letters" .. I may have to use that one :)
[14:00] <gone_> fiery...
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> shauno: It's from LotR :)
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's what Frodo calls the letters in the ring after it's been in the fire
[14:00] <shauno> ah, gotcha
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> "The letters are Elvish, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here."
[14:01] <directhex> i believe chinese is significantly different from elvish
[14:01] <directhex> elvish script is much more flowing. chinese script is more a series of letters
[14:01] <directhex> logographic
[14:02] <shauno> I always figured elvish was basically welsh
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> but it's "Mordorese" written with Elvish letters
[14:04] <gone_> 你好=Hello
[14:04] <gone_> Sounds like "knee how"
[14:05] <directhex> the only chinese i know i learned from watching a languages show on pre-school TV
[14:05] <directhex> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/lingo-show/
[14:05]  * popey just had chinese for lunch
[14:05] <popey> nom nom nom
[14:06] <shauno> I can passably say "hello, do you speak english?".  Which makes me feel like such the stereotype
[14:06] <shauno> not sure I could spell it, however
[14:07] <directhex> chinese is rarely taught at school to "general" student populations - the immigrant chinese population isn't high enough in most areas for most schools to offer formal chinese classes, and for foreign language education, western european languages are easier to learn (due to similarities to english)
[14:07] <directhex> i have a russian qualification though, and i did a little japanese at school
[14:07] <directhex> don't remember any of it now, mind you
[14:08] <shauno> our school actually offered russian, but you couldn't opt for it unless you were doing acceptably well with your primary "modern language"
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> Mine offered English (compulsory), French and German. Hated French and German at the time, wished I hadn't dropped them now.
[14:11] <shauno> I'm unconvinced it would have made a difference.  they're very much a "use or it lose it" deal.  I actually passed french, but wouldn't confess to understanding a word anymore
[14:11] <Myrtti> ooh, finally found piccies of the kitchen cupboards I saw in the last Sherlock episode
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "Un petit peu" ;)
[14:11] <directhex> wikipedia suggests out of a UK population of 63 million, there are 136000 from PRC plus 82000 from hong kong (which is listed separately) and no 2011 figures for taiwan (which is listed separately)
[14:12] <directhex> PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT MAKING ANY POLITICAL STATEMENT ABOUT HONG KONG AND TAIWAN, THEY'RE JUST LISTED SEPARATELY IN THIS CHART
[14:12] <shauno> you'd have to converse with belgians just to keep your hand in :/
[14:12] <Myrtti> http://kitchensbybespoke.co.uk/portfolio/swinhay/
[14:12] <Myrtti> so I did see correctly, it does have that pattern on it
[14:12] <Myrtti> funky. Probably proper expensive too.
[14:12] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom#Countries_of_origin
[14:13] <shauno> I think it's fair to separate hong kong within this context, since they speak primarily cantonese rather than mandarin
[14:13] <popey> my kids get en and fr, and the option of de or es and latin
[14:13] <gone_> I don't care about those politics at all
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: ah yes, latin and ancient greek were also options (as a "package deal" only)
[14:14] <shauno> we were split 50/50 over fr/de
[14:14] <popey> latin is only available as an extra class after hours
[14:15] <shauno> but on the plus side, all my teachers were wrong; I've ended up requiring central/eastern european languages a whole lot more than french
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Netherlands#High_school - only "VWO" got the option of Latin/Greek
[14:16] <directhex> gone_, did you get cocos2d to build?
[14:16] <directhex> i have qualifications in french, latin, ancient greek, and russian
[14:16] <gone_> Nope
[14:16] <directhex> hmph :/
[14:17] <gone_> I can't understand this: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584688
[14:17] <gone_> What do they mean?
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> gone_: it's a unified diff, the first 2 lines show which file to edit, the rest indicates which lines to add (+) and remove (-). The "patch" tool can do this for you.
[14:18] <gone_> I'm using Debian Testing with gcc version 4.8.2
[14:18] <directhex> and the lines starting @@ show approximately which lines in the file need modifying
[14:21] <gone_> Ok
[14:23] <gone_> Am I need to install a package named patch?
[14:23] <gone_> If I don't have one
[14:24] <awilkins> If you have even the basics of development tools you should already have patch
[14:24] <shauno> "which patch" should tell you.  if it replies with nothing, the package 'build-essential' would be a good start
[14:27] <gone_> Do I need to save those codes into a file with a special file name?
[14:27] <gone_> And use the patch tool
[14:28] <directhex> gone_, yeah. download the file, switch to ~/src/cocos2d-x-3.0beta/, and run "patch -p1 < path/to/patchfile.diff"
[14:30] <gone_> Ok,I'll do
[14:32] <gone_> It doesn't work
[14:33] <gone_> I'll paste it
[14:35] <gone_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584709
[14:35] <Myrtti> so why did you even try to make it if patch failed
[14:38] <gone_> I don't know how to say "算了" in English
[14:38] <directhex> looks like the patch file screwed up
[14:38] <gone_> I'll give it up today
[14:38] <directhex> gone_, go to http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584688 and click 点击下载 at the top
[14:38] <directhex> that should download a "good" copy
[14:39] <gone_> Ok
[14:41] <gone_> Oh
[14:41] <gone_> It's working
[14:41] <gone_> Oh my god
[14:41] <directhex> success?
[14:41] <gone_> Yep
[14:41] <gone_> Amazing
[14:41] <directhex> credit to foobarry, he found the patch
[14:43] <gone_> I do love Britain.
[14:44] <gone_> Any whovian here?
[14:45] <dwatkins> Timey Wimey!
[14:45] <directhex> inevitably
[14:45]  * MartijnVdS checks his TARDIS
[14:45] <directhex> that's like asking if anyone drinks tea
[14:46] <popey> ☻
[14:46] <gone_> Oh~
[14:48] <gone_> I also watch Sherlock
[14:50] <gone_> Freezing here
[14:54] <gone_> Thank you all ,by the way~
[14:54] <mapps> i drink green tea
[14:54] <mapps> ;]
[14:55] <gone_> I also drink black tea
[14:55] <mapps> raining again here
[14:55] <mapps> good thing i dont have to go anywhere:)
[14:56] <gone_> You like stay in house?
[14:56] <mapps> when its bad weathe ya
[14:57] <mapps> weather
[14:58] <gone_> So do I
[15:01] <gone_> mapps:May I sak you for another little help, it's not about linux or coding
[15:01] <gone_> ask
[15:02] <mapps> yes
[15:03] <daftykins> mapps: heh i know that situation only too well, especially as a cyclist!
[15:03] <mapps> fun times eh:D its also bad when it gets icey..hate it when it snows turns to slush thgen ice
[15:03] <mapps> my whole road's like an ice rink!
[15:04] <gone_> It's some paperworks
[15:04] <mapps> for what
[15:05] <gone_> Just find and fix some
[15:05] <gone_> Grammar misktakes
[15:05] <SuperMatt> achievement unlocked: exit interview.
[15:05] <SuperMatt> only... 10 hours left in this job
[15:05] <mapps> aha ok
[15:05] <gone_> I'm Chinese you know
[15:05] <SuperMatt> shame it's spready out over two days
[15:05] <daftykins> SuperMatt: :D
[15:06] <gone_> I am not good at English
[15:06] <daftykins> SuperMatt: have you got much of a gap between the end and the start of the new?
[15:06] <mapps> not your first language i takje it?
[15:06] <mapps> take
[15:06] <gone_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584734
[15:07] <gone_> Not Chinese
[15:07] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: golden handshake?
[15:07] <SuperMatt> daftykins: start on monday
[15:07] <mapps> This webpage is not available
[15:07] <mapps> great fw of china keeping me out?
[15:07] <mapps> LD
[15:07] <mapps> :D
[15:07] <bigcalm> WFM
[15:08] <directhex> works here
[15:08] <mapps> hmm
[15:08] <directhex> great firewall of mapps keeping mapps out
[15:08] <mapps> yes
[15:08] <mapps> ;]
[15:08] <ikonia> popey: actually better in this channel
[15:08] <mapps> Connection refused: paste.ubuntu.org.cn:80
[15:08] <popey> heh
[15:09] <ikonia> popey: are you still producing the ubuntu-uk podcasts ?
[15:09] <popey> yes
[15:09] <ikonia> do you record them on linux ?
[15:09] <popey> but we take a break between christmas and end of feb
[15:09] <popey> yes
[15:09] <popey> ardour
[15:09] <ikonia> so I'm guessing a usb microphone ?
[15:09] <popey> no
[15:09] <ikonia> damn
[15:09] <popey> real mics and a mixer
[15:10] <ikonia> shucks, not to worry, thank you though
[15:10] <gone_> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/584734
[15:10] <popey> well, ask anyway
[15:10] <directhex> yeti
[15:10] <popey> blue snowball
[15:10] <popey> ☻
[15:10] <directhex> well, yeti pro
[15:10] <directhex> also from blue
[15:10] <directhex> basically, blue all the things
[15:10] <popey> indeed
[15:10] <ikonia> popey: just wondered if there was a solid USB microphone that had %100 support out of the box on linux
[15:11] <directhex> we use a yeti pro as our conf call mic for non-SIP conf calls
[15:11] <directhex> e.g. hangouts, skype
[15:11] <ikonia> found some bit online but written by idiots, so thought if you where actually using one...
[15:11] <popey> see above ☻
[15:11] <popey> I use blue snowball for all hangouts, and some other podcasts
[15:11] <ikonia> directhex: yeti pro, let me see, thank you
[15:11] <popey> http://imgur.com/2XSX0Rr you can see it on my messy desk in the middle
[15:12] <directhex> general case: usb audio should JustWork(tm) on linux
[15:13] <ikonia> popey: that's huge
[15:13] <popey> ah, thats the mount
[15:13] <popey> you dont need that
[15:13] <ikonia> directhex: I'm doing some work away from home and was thinking about doing some recording while away to make use of down time, so needed an "ok" quality mic
[15:13] <popey> blue are above okay quality
[15:13] <ikonia> the reviews online are so up and down and written by such idiots it's hard to get a factual /trusted review
[15:14] <directhex> yeti is giant, but like i said, conf room mic
[15:14] <ikonia> the blue looks ok
[15:14] <ikonia> so does the yeti
[15:14] <popey> I've had it for maybe 4 years or more
[15:14] <popey> 20/09/2010
[15:14] <gone_> Good night,it's 23:14 here in China
[15:14] <popey> nn gone_
[15:14] <ikonia> gents, great tips, nice to have a bit of a trusted opinion
[15:15] <directhex> Blue have some tiny portable mics
[15:15] <directhex> tiki and snowflake
[15:15] <shauno> ah yes, famous grouse, the cornerstone of any work-from-home setup :)
[15:15] <popey> hehe
[15:16] <directhex> or i expect the blue icicle will work, that's an XLR converter dongle
[15:16] <shauno> now the laminator makes sense
[15:16] <popey> lol
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> LAMINATE! LAMINATE!!
[15:25]  * daftykins sedates MartijnVdS
[15:34] <Myrtti> gah, I hate when I forget what I was doing
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: coding perl!
[15:34] <Myrtti> lol, that would be a feat
[15:35] <daftykins> knitting perl!
[15:36] <Myrtti> what I've done in perl in my whole life: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6762588/
[15:36] <Myrtti> hitech.
[15:36] <Myrtti> much perl.
[15:36] <popey> i wrote some patches to usemod wiki
[15:36] <popey> which was fun as it's a gigantic single perl file
[15:36] <Myrtti> popey: I bet my quality coding is better and fancier and more useful than yours!
[15:36] <Myrtti> not.
[15:37] <davmor2> daftykins: you don't knit perl you knit knit, you perl perl :P
[15:37] <daftykins> :'(
[15:37] <popey> oh mine was mostly copy/paste trial/error/error/error/error*
[15:39] <SuperMatt> I'll tell you what I do with perl
[15:40] <SuperMatt> I run away from it, crying
[15:40] <davmor2> SuperMatt: haha
[15:40] <SuperMatt> I tried learning it
[15:41] <SuperMatt> but in the end I found I was better suited to pythongs
[15:41] <SuperMatt> much snugger fit
[15:42] <davmor2> SuperMatt: do we really want to know that you wear 3.14....... pairs of thongs ;)
[15:44] <SuperMatt> I actually regularly misspell python as pythong, so I've just turned it in to a running joke
[15:45] <SuperMatt> I guess because the motion of 'on' on the keyboard is quite similar to 'in', which is often followed by a 'g' for doing words
[15:46] <SuperMatt> or it could be that I have an unconscious desire to wear thongs
[15:46] <SuperMatt> one of the two
[15:46] <SuperMatt> take your pick
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: why not both!
[15:46] <SuperMatt> \o/
[15:46] <popey> shutdown → shitdown is my most common typo
[15:47] <SuperMatt> (\/) | OvvvO  | (\/) - why not zoidberg?
[15:47] <SuperMatt> !language
[15:47] <SuperMatt> soz popey ;)
[15:49] <Laney> OH MY!
[15:50] <TwistedLucidity> Ban this sick filth! :-P
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> !langridge
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[15:50] <SuperMatt> (\/) | °vvv°  | (\/) - why not zoidberg? (this is much better)
[15:50] <TwistedLucidity> All I see is two dead PacMen and a two headed snake
[15:51] <foobarry> was gone typing from china? great fw not include irc?
[15:53] <popey>  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[15:53] <popey> owl flip is my fave unicode thing atm
[15:53] <Myrtti> the ip came from chinanet
[15:53] <Myrtti> descr:          CHINANET Guangdong province network
[15:55] <daftykins> Owls do tend to look like they have the potential for rage
[15:55] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: If memory server the GreatFW doesn't work, so they employ a small army to manually check stuff
[15:55] <TwistedLucidity> s/server/serves
[16:03] <Myrtti> ooooooo http://www.myscriptfont.com/
[16:08] <bigcalm> daftykins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8el_P4yvfc
[16:10] <daftykins> :D
[17:10] <Myrtti> of course Bt SmartTalk can't work if I've got a Finnish sim in my phone
[17:10] <Myrtti> of course...
[17:10] <Myrtti> nnnngnghghghghghghhghghg
[17:10] <daftykins> 0o
[17:16] <mapp> never heard of bt smat talk:)
[17:16] <mapp> smart
[17:18] <mapp> hmm
[17:19] <mapp> so i setup a he.net tunnel and according to the test i can use ipv6 fine..i can access ipv6.google.com and nslookup ipv6.google.com returns right but i cant seem to connect to any ipv6 irc servers?
[17:20] <brobostigon> in irssi, you either owuld set to protirise ipv6 and or an ipv6 only server, it ipv6.freenode.net for example.
[17:21] <Myrtti> well, I suppose I'll have to pop my 3 sim into the old work horse Galaxy Nexus then
[17:22] <mapp> i was trying xchat
[17:24] <mapp> but manually connecting to ipv6 servers fails just says cant resolve
[17:24] <mapp> surely it should be able to when i can reach ipv6 sites in chrome and nsookup returns results
[17:27] <daftykins> arsen: how do sir
[19:33]  * Myrtti cries over
[19:33] <Myrtti> DT7150+
[19:43] <davmor2> rip trigger man now who will be the man with the oldest broom on the council :D
[20:37] <ali1234> ARMA II on humble weekly sale :D
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> what is it
[20:38] <ali1234> a gaem!
[20:39] <ali1234> pity there's no linux version
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> what kind of game is it?
[20:39] <ali1234> it's a FPS game with extremely high realism
[20:40] <ali1234> they call it a military simulator
[20:43] <popey> blimey, 6 US for that lot
[20:44] <ali1234> yeah, i guess ARMA III is nearly done?
[20:45] <popey> doesnt look very realistic from the yt vid
[20:46] <ali1234> not realistic graphics
[20:46] <popey> right
[20:46] <popey> situations
[20:47] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1dH73p3Yvc
[20:56] <popey> this is cool
[21:00] <popey> is he playing against NPCs or real players?
[21:02] <ali1234> real players
[21:02] <popey> heh
[21:03] <popey> fun
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> hm, steam down?
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> "Cannot connect"
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> ah no just slow
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> saints row iv is free to play this weekend
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> *fires up ye olde Windows 8 computer*
[21:12] <bigcalm> Nice video
[21:15] <jussi> sigh. stupid meds. slept in the afternoon,  now can't sleep :/
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> jussi: try this: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/2UHNlhHRMcziirEn188343
[21:19] <jussi> Thanks but not helpful...
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> that playlist helps me sleep :)
[21:30] <jussi> hrm. who was I talking to about tablets the other day?
[21:31] <jussi> seems like the tab pro 8.4 will be only 389€
[21:48] <Neil__> hello
[21:50] <arc__> does anyone know what the mac irc is?
[21:52] <Neil__> No
[21:52] <Neil__> to be honest I've just been smashing my head against my keyboard trying to get ubuntu to actually do something
[22:12] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcnLq3_Tix8 was entertaining, and tense!
[22:12] <popey> thanks for the link ali1234 these are really good
[22:13] <ali1234> check out the dark business vids with chkilroy, they're pretty funny :)
[22:13] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ed96GR7Hs
[22:42] <popey> yeah, that was funny


[01:04] <morrison> hola alguien de aki habla español?
[08:46] <laga> amitk: i'm working on the aufs patch now.
[09:37] <laga> wgrant: why do you need AUFS_HINOTIFY? it's documented as having a negative impact on performance
[09:41] <wgrant> laga: Do we know how negative? The setup that we use it in (on top of a potentially rw NFS branch) can get a bit angry otherwise.
[09:41] <wgrant> We can always keep compiling a custom one, of course.
[09:41] <wgrant> But it'd be better not to have to. I guess it depends on the size of the performance hit.
[09:43] <laga> sure. how can we benchmark that? bonnie++?
[09:43] <wgrant> Perhaps, but I'm not sure.
[09:44] <laga> i guess one could also look at the code
[09:45] <laga> maybe it'll only have a negative impact if you mount with udba=inotify
[09:45] <wgrant> The only difference it would make is some extra potential jumps.
[09:46] <wgrant> Right, that's the only significant impact AFAICT.
[09:46] <wgrant> But IIRC people complained last time that the extra potential jumps would hurt performance.
[09:46] <laga> maybe we can slip it in ;)
[09:47] <laga> or i could ask the aufs guy
[09:47] <wgrant> I can't see how it would be anything other than very, very minor.
[09:47] <wgrant> Comparison against the udba setting can't be particularly expensive.
[09:47] <laga> i'll look into it. right now i need to get it to compile
[09:48] <wgrant> Pfft. We don't need built kernels.
[09:48] <laga> heh
[10:14] <bugabundo_work> hi
[10:15] <bugabundo_work> can someone let me know the correct name for the KernelRemoval function introdused on Intrepid?
[10:28] <bugabundo_work> never mind... found it
[10:28] <bugabundo_work> last good kernel
[10:28] <bugabundo_work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/removing-old-kernels
[11:27] <amitk> laga: thanks
[11:46] <xivulon> cking hi
[11:47] <xivulon> I left a message on 204133 some time ago', I would like to enable syncio but last time I tried, the performance hit was quite obivous
[11:53] <cking> xivulon: OK - let me investigate this on my Alpha 6 installation to see what can be done
[11:56] <cking> xivulon: is sync IO required while copying this ISO?
[11:57] <xivulon> cking no is not required, I just copied over an ISO as a test of write performance
[11:58] <xivulon> although I was thinking of mounting ntfs with syncio also during installation, so it will be used when files are copied from squashfs
[12:24] <xivulon> cking would you say we should use dm-loop instead of loop?
[12:50] <xivulon> cking, davmor2 just did some testing and he confirms that syncio is ~10x slower
[14:25] <DBO> for whom it may concern:  Intrepid has given me no end of trouble with suspend on a new thinkpad T500 (intel through and through)
[14:25] <DBO> I finally hooked up the linux-rt kernel, which is still at 2.6.26 I believe, and after adding my usb modules to the suspend modules list, everything works great
[14:26] <DBO> I don't want to throw out nasty words like regression, but I have updated my bug report on the issue to reflect this, and maybe someone here will find it interesting too
[14:26] <DBO> the bug report is #272307
[14:27] <tjaalton> perhaps a dupe of bug 269884
[14:29] <DBO> tjaalton, yeah, I was told to report a new bug at one point, so I did
[14:29] <DBO> tjaalton, is there going to be action on 269884
[14:30] <tjaalton> DBO: probably. you could try -4 in the meantime
[14:30] <DBO> is it available?
[14:30] <tjaalton> at least it's uploaded
[14:31] <tjaalton> I haven't tried yet
[14:31] <DBO> updating my package list now
[14:31] <tjaalton> yep, it is
[14:31] <DBO> mine says its not, I'll switch to the main repo
[14:31] <rtg> tjaalton: -4 isn't quite baked yet.
[14:32] <tjaalton> rtg: oh, ok
[14:32] <rtg> tjaalton: still gotta get meta uploaded after LRM is NEW'd
[14:32] <tjaalton> yeah, but you can try it out without LRM
[14:32] <DBO> i dont need lrm
[14:32] <tjaalton> me neither :)
[14:33] <DBO> happy to finally have a laptop that doesn't need it
[14:33] <DBO> is -4 still based on rc4?
[14:33] <rtg> -rc7
[14:33] <tjaalton> um no?
[14:34] <DBO> sweet, rc7 changelog had a couple patches that looked relevant to suspend issues
[14:37] <rtg> mjg59 has declared that suspend is no longer an interesting problem. While he's right about the larger picture, I think there are still a couple of minor issues to deal with, such as UHCI and EHCI.
[14:38] <tjaalton> my sierra sometimes fails to reinitialize correctly after a resume, but apparently that's a hw bug since I've heard the same happens on vista
[14:39] <tjaalton> reloading the module helps
[14:39] <tjaalton> but that's a userspace problem..
[14:40] <rtg> nvidia appears to be the most intractable resume issue. dunno if we'll ever fix that one.
[14:40] <tjaalton> probably not
[14:41] <wgrant> What makes suspend so sloooow?
[14:42] <DBO> no worky
[14:45] <smb_tp> CarlFK, kernel 2.6.27-4 might also be interesting in your case. I saw one patch that deals with clockevents that looks promising.
[15:09] <rtg> xen-master zul: can you look at bug #238549 ?
[15:09] <elmo> oh, we se that!
[15:10] <elmo> FWIW, changing to an amd64 kernel fixes it
[15:14] <zul> rtg: sure
[15:16] <rtg> elmo: changing dom0 to amd64 works around it?
[15:36] <laga> oh, neat. aufs built.
[15:37] <laga> and i only needed half of the patches.. should that scare me?
[15:43] <elmo> rtg: yep, that's what we ended up doing
[15:43] <elmo> rtg: the machines have been running flawlessly since then
[15:44] <rtg> elmo: thanks. that'll help isolate the problem.
[15:50] <CarlFK> smb_tp: Ill check it out
[16:24] <munckfish> rtg: got a sec re linux-ports?
[16:24] <rtg> yo
[16:25] <rtg> munckfish: ^^
[16:26] <munckfish> rtg: hi thx for looking at my pull-request. However I need your advice - I've since noticed that an intermittent hang on shutdown has not been cured :(
[16:26] <munckfish> From the PS3 perspective this is still a good enough kernel build to allow us to begin testing install/upgrade
[16:26] <munckfish> but I've no way to test on the other architectures
[16:27] <munckfish> I'm investigating the problem this week. But I've no idea how long it'll take me to find the problem or whether there's a patch I can cherry pick
[16:27] <rtg> munckfish: well, its likwely that shutdown issues are arch specific.
[16:27] <munckfish> What would you advise in this situ?
[16:27] <munckfish> well, I'm hoping it's PS3 specific
[16:28] <rtg> munckfish: Ben is the real expert since he did the initial port. Perhaps you should try and catch him?
[16:28] <munckfish> I get a stack trace when I hit Atl+SysRq+O
[16:28] <munckfish> And at the top of the list is a call to shutdown the PS3 Logical Perf Monitor
[16:29] <munckfish> rtg: I could do that but I was planning on asking the upstream folks first before bothering him
[16:30] <rtg> munckfish: ask both.
[16:30] <munckfish> ok
[16:31] <munckfish> rtg: could you explain what the procedure would be from here? I'm a complete kernelteam newb. After you'd pulled into the main intrepid-ports tree
[16:31] <munckfish> would you immediately do an upload? Or would you look to have the other architectures tested before hand?
[16:32] <rtg> munckfish: clone ubuntu-intrepid-ports, then perform the pull into the repo from yours, then fix the conflicts.
[16:33] <munckfish> rtg: ok. I answered you mail. What step was I missing?
[16:33] <munckfish> That would have prevented these conflict?
[16:40] <kirkland> what's the magic kernel boot param to disable acpi?  noacpi?  acpi=off?
[16:43] <rtg> kirkland: acpi=off IIRC
[16:43] <kirkland> rtg: thanks!
[16:43] <rtg> kirkland: I'm checking just to be sure.
[16:44] <rtg> kirkland: yep, thats it.
[16:45] <kirkland> rtg: excellent, trying that
[16:47] <munckfish> rtg: are you using "git pull -f" to pull into the ports tree?
[16:47] <rtg> munckfish: nope. I'll respond to your email in a bit. you are over complicating things.
[16:48] <munckfish> oh ok
[16:48] <munckfish> thx
[16:59] <munckfish> BenC: I've discovered there is still an intermittent shutdown hang on the PS3 ports kernel. I'm going to contact upstream this week to see if anyone knows about it
[17:00] <BenC> munckfish: ok
[17:00] <munckfish> but r t g suggested I speak to you about it - my feeling is even with what we have now
[17:00] <munckfish> it's better than what's in the repo currently
[17:00] <munckfish> and would allow us to begin testing install/upgrade
[17:00] <munckfish> also I think (big think) that the problem may only affect PS3
[17:01] <munckfish> but I can't be sure
[17:01] <munckfish> how would you suggest we proceed? wait, or go ahead and upload again once fixed?
[17:01] <munckfish> BenC: over
[17:02] <BenC> munckfish: waiting is bad right now
[17:03] <munckfish> yep
[17:03] <munckfish> so you'd be happy to go ahead
[17:03] <munckfish> Ok well r t g is helping me get my tree sorted so the pull works
[17:18] <munckfish> ogasawara: re LP #249555
[17:18] <munckfish> that'll affect our 2.6.25 based ports kernel not the main 2.6.27 one
[17:20] <munckfish> ogasawara: ok sorry I'm wrong he's trying to use these on x86
[18:11] <munckfish> rtg: seems I misunderstood the dev process, I thought while in development phases you guys continually rebased against kernel.org upstream
[18:11] <munckfish> And I thought, as a member of the community, by doing this I was helping out :(
[18:12] <munckfish> rtg: what motivates as rebase then?
[18:16] <munckfish> Sorry, got to leave now. Bye.
[19:00] <CarlFK> smb_tp: is the .4 kernel in a ubuntu repo, or do I have to built it from k.org source?
[19:01] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Let me verify this quickly but I think it is in the repo but the meta package is not updated yet.
[19:04] <CarlFK> smb_tp: must have just hit: The following NEW packages will be installed:   linux-headers-2.6.27-4
[19:04] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Yep, as I thought. You don't have to build
[19:04] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Ah, ok then
[19:05] <CarlFK> smb_tp: do you think this is an AMD thing or an HP thing?  if HP, I have a friend at HP that might be able to do something
[19:06] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I suspect rather an AMD issue. Something together with C1E
[19:06] <CarlFK> that was my guess
[19:55] <CarlFK> smb_tp: .4 - same thing.  and now no X (no nvidia, and nv doesn't support my card)
[19:56] <CarlFK> vesa should work.. hmm..
[20:01] <CarlFK> vesa works.  good enough.
[20:02] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Hm, ok. The pauses yet seem to hide. The description and change looked promising... :(
[20:03] <CarlFK> did you see my note it waking up after 170 seconds?
[20:04] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I am not sure. Last week was a bit busy. But in one of the earlier reports softlockup did get triggered after some long(er) time
[20:04] <CarlFK> boot, pauses at 3.1, i don't touch it, and get [  174.059763] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta =<PHONE_NUMBER>326 ns)
[20:05] <CarlFK> wondering if that would help you hook up some debugging code
[20:08] <smb_tp> CarlFK, hm, right. Might be an idea to print out the timers from the watchdog... Ok, just lets try that. I patch a kernel together and ping you if I am done
[20:10] <CarlFK> smb_tp:  i'm hear all day
[20:10] <CarlFK> here too :)
[20:10] <smb_tp> CarlFK, great. :)
[20:45] <laga> amitk: weeee. aufs works!
[20:47] <amitk> laga: great! Now what would make it super is if you could figure out how to add it to the kernel for easy updates later. Currently it isn't that easy to update to a newer release.
[20:47] <laga> update aufs itself?
[20:48] <laga> well.. with the current approach of constantly rebasing, thus loosing individual commits, it's a bit hard.
[20:48] <amitk> laga: yes, in the kernel.
[20:49] <laga> but it should be as simple as copying the aufs source to ubuntu/aufs/ and fix compilation.
[20:49] <laga> which is not that hard to do usually.
[20:49] <amitk> laga: losing commits?
[20:50] <laga> amitk: individual commits getting merged into one.
[20:50] <laga> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=c5e9b298cdcaabfdf8e74c16e7bfd3802ca33f74
[20:51] <laga> "includes patches to work with apparmor changes" is not helpful at all. i seem to remember there being individual commits for that
[20:52] <laga> a few weeks ago, when i made my first aufs patch, searching for aufs showed a lot more results than just one, which made it easy to cherry-pick individual fixes
[20:52] <amitk> laga: agreed. that should have been split into aufs and vfs changes
[20:53] <laga> yeah. and that aufs tree is completely butchered. ;)
[20:53] <amitk> laga: here is your chance to fix it :)
[20:53] <laga> yay :)
[21:24] <laga> how do i update the kernel config? i think i'm supposed to use splitconfig.pl
[21:40] <jcastro> I don't know if this affects ubuntu kernels but I wanted to throw it up here just in case: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=425480
[21:51] <rtg> jcastro: Intel is aware of the problem and is working towards a fix. dunno what progress they've made lately.
[21:53] <jcastro> rtg: cool, I was seeing if someone on the kernel team was aware - though I suspect you guys knew about this before me. :D
[21:53] <rtg> jcastro: just ask Chris (Ng) about it. He had to send his motherboard in to have the part replaced.
[21:54] <jcastro> oh no!
[21:56] <amitk> laga: debian/rules updateconfigs is your friend
[21:56] <laga> amitk: oh, thanks. i used vim this time ;)
[21:56] <Ng> jcastro: fwiw we're tracking it as bug 263555. I'll add the novell bug now, thanks for mentioning it
[21:58] <Ng> and I added the kernel bugzilla entry, which I should have linked up before
[21:59] <Ng> jcastro: I dunno if we have a general policy on such things, but maybe give the novell guys the LP url, since we have a comment from an Intel guy saying they've reproduced it and are investigating
[21:59] <Ng> (and fwiw, the commit they mention in comment #7 only applies to e1000, the e1000e stuff is different)
[22:00] <jcastro> Ng: I can do that, there's no policy but it seems the right thing to do
[22:30] <jcastro> Ng: so ... shouldn't we be telling people with intel nic's that this bug is pretty dangerous?
[22:41] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Just wanted to let you know that kernel compile takes really long today. And I have to leave for a few hours. So maybe you probably should not actively wait for it... :-/
[22:41] <laga> kernel compiles always take ages for me, even with distcc :/
[22:42] <laga> err, ccache
[22:42] <Ng> jcastro: I kind of think so, but I don't want another "zomg ubanto kills hard disks!!!11" debacle ;)
[22:44] <Ng> jcastro: I certainly think it would be good if we could poke intel for some information. this bug shouldn't be possible on e1000e, I'm told
[22:45] <jcastro> Ng: well, suse's already put out a "don't use our betas at all" message.
[22:46] <jcastro> dunno, I would be livid if this broke my brand new X300. :p
[22:47] <Ng> jcastro: I'm not livid, I chose to run a pre-release kernel from a pre-release distro and it was Intel's own driver that destroyed the part. Lenovo repaired it (although to be fair I didn't say "linux killed my laptop") and it's on all the right radars now
[22:48] <Ng> it's certainly frustrating though, and from my perspective it would be a release blocker to the point of removing the driver until it's fixed
[22:48] <Ng> but I'm no kernel hacker, it may be that the problem is elsewhere
[22:50] <jcastro> I just think "and oh by the way, those of you using intel NICs in intrepid should shut it off in the bios" or something.
[22:51] <Ng> I pretty much agree, but it's not my call :)
[22:54] <CarlFK> smb_tp: im at home - no plans on leaving today :)(
[23:36] <laga> amitk: patch sent to the mailing list