[12:07] <slow-motion> n8
[12:09] <Infecto> dpkg-reconfigure network ?
[12:09] <biovore> oO
[12:10] <Infecto> what should i add before dpkg to reconfigure network in kubutnu, i need to automaticly detect module which one is supprot my eth
[12:15] <Seantater> **FOUND A MEMORY LEAK**  -- artsd!
[12:15] <Seantater> how do I kill it?!
[12:15] <eqisow> oO
[12:15] <Infecto> killall -9 artsd
[12:16] <Seantater> oksy -- now how do I fix the leak for next time?
[12:17] <Seantater> That's why my system cooked this morning..
[12:17] <Seantater> I turned the music on and me system halted after a few minutes
[12:18] <eqisow> hmm, is arts what KDE uses?
[12:18] <Seantater> Yes --
[12:18] <eqisow> maybe try turning off the sound system in the 'sound and multimedia' section of the control center
[12:18] <Seantater> It's But it sucks to have to music.. :(
[12:18] <eqisow> and obviously switch amarok and the like to something else if they are set to arts
[12:19] <Seantater> okay..
[12:19] <eqisow> amarok will still work if you use xine or something
[12:19] <Seantater> okay..
[12:19] <steveire> Kubuntu ftw! Really impressed every day over the past couple of weeks
[12:19] <steveire> That is all
[12:19] <biovore> then again.. I built a compiled my own copy of aramok..
[12:19] <Seantater> So what do I do about knotify?
[12:20] <Seantater> okay -- artsd is off..
[12:20] <eqisow> good question
[12:20] <eqisow> never had to delve into the sound system much
[12:20] <Seantater> I see-
[12:20] <Seantater> knotify can use other stuff
[12:21] <Seantater> but I'd rather have a new soundsystem
[12:21] <Seantater> I think kde can use JACK, right?
[12:21] <Seantater> I thought I saw it on another system..
[12:22] <eqisow> really not sure tbh :/
[12:23] <Seantater> the "sound system" module isn't being helpful about the matter..
[12:23] <eqisow> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=aRts+Troubleshooting
[12:23] <eqisow> that may be helpful /shrug
[12:23] <rvfh> Sorry eqisow, just joining. What's the matter? Why can't you use arts?
[12:23] <eqisow> I can use it fine :p
[12:24] <eqisow> we're helping Seantater :)
[12:24] <rvfh> Sorry.
[12:24] <rvfh> What seems to be the problem Seantater?
[12:25] <Seantater> rvfh: I had a memory leak
[12:25] <Seantater> rvfh: every time arts played a file, the file was kept in memory
[12:25] <Seantater> rvfh: AFAIK
[12:26] <Seantater> rvfh: all I knwo is that as you play music, it hoga memory
[12:26] <Seantater> rvfh: every time any beeps or clicks  occur, it increases a little
[12:26] <Seantater> rvfh: but never goes down again
[12:27] <Seantater> rvfh: It forced me to rest x the first time, I cought it at 54% the second time
[12:27] <rvfh> Yes. Maybe you can tell KDE to use ALSA directly?
[12:27] <Seantater> I tried
[12:27] <Seantater> the "sound system" module doesn't have anything on that -- it only does arts.
[12:27] <Seantater> brb
[12:29] <rvfh> Strange! Mine has loads of choices: autodetect, OSS, ALSA, Enlightened, Network, Threaded or nothing.
[12:29] <steve> hey
[12:29] <eqisow> I believe all of those still route through arts though
[12:29] <steve> anyone here know about wine+steam/counter-strike?
[12:29] <eqisow> I know I could never get it to run faster than about half of windows speed :/
[12:30] <steve> damn
[12:30] <steve> thats what i was afraid of
[12:30] <eqisow> opengl games run nearly full speed though
[12:30] <steve> ...
[12:30] <steve> it IS opengl
[12:30] <eqisow> no
[12:30] <steve> uh
[12:30] <steve> yeah
[12:30] <steve> its right there in the video render chooser
[12:30] <rvfh> eqisow: what makes you think that?
[12:30] <steve> you can use opengl or direct 3d
[12:30] <rvfh> I am still about arts BTW
[12:30] <eqisow> wait, are you talking about the original CS?
[12:31] <steve> 1.6
[12:31] <eqisow> ah, yeah. nm me then
[12:31] <steve> source= for losers
[12:31] <steve> i just hate windows yee?
[12:31] <eqisow> right, that's definitely how to go about eliciting help
[12:31] <steve> and the only thing i can't do on my linux box is cs
[12:31] <steve> i was just wondering if anyone knew how to make this damn thing work
[12:32] <eqisow> I think that, rvfh, becuase arts isn't actually an option there
[12:32] <steve> im getting huge hangups even when i give it top processor priority and a heap size of like 512mb
[12:32] <rvfh> steveire: does it use a lot of CPU?
[12:32] <eqisow> are you using standard wine or cedega?
[12:32] <eqisow> and is your hardware acceleration working properly?
[12:33] <rvfh> What's the ire where I typed? Weird. I meant Steve anyhow.
[12:33] <rvfh> Ok guys, 19:30 here, time to get another life! Ciao bambini.
[12:34] <eqisow> lol, later rvfh
[12:52] <Seantater> sorry I was gone so long
[12:52] <Seantater> I read -- and tried -- they are artsd too
[12:53] <Kryspy> question: does kubuntu auto detect NTFS drives or do I gots to mount 'em
[12:53] <Kryspy> SATA as well btw
[12:54] <Infecto> i`v got 3 butons in my laptop first is mute sound and next is volume up and volume down
[12:54] <Infecto> in ubunto works that perfectly
[12:55] <Infecto> but in kubuntu dont
[12:56] <Infecto> pleas tell me why
[12:56] <Infecto> :}
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> Infecto: gnome's mixer applet is probably aware of acpi events whereas kmix isn't.
[01:05] <eqisow> Kryspy, I believe that Dapper will
[01:05] <eqisow> I change the mount point anyway, so I don't really recall :/
[01:06] <Infecto> hmmm
[01:06] <Infecto> LeeJunFan: is somethong like acme in kde ?
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> Infecto: not familiar with that. I don't know of anything in kde that will work with those buttons.
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> But then I've never really looked either.
[01:07] <Infecto> ok thx wery much
[01:08] <Kryspy> have fun
[01:08] <Kryspy> thanx
[01:09] <Kryspy> anyone know if an apple airport express is useable as is or do I have tojump through a 1000,000 hoops to get it to work
[01:09] <Kryspy> I use it to stream music to my stereo wireless
[01:22] <Kryspy> anyone anyone bueller bueller
[01:23] <Kryspy> installing now in vmware so i guess I'll find out :)
[01:23] <rUiSu> hey, i messed something really good
[01:23] <eqisow> nsorry, never owned a piece of apple hardware, heh
[01:23] <Kryspy> see what you are missing
[01:23] <rUiSu> in booting time, after checking battery state its stated [ ok ] , but then nothing
[01:24] <eqisow> http://www.jroller.com/page/nwinkler?entry=amarok_and_the_airport_express
[01:24] <eqisow> try that Kryspy
[01:24] <eqisow> and yeah, I know what I'm missing and I like my reasonably priced hardware ;)
[01:25] <rUiSu> whats the next script after battery checking?
[01:26] <rUiSu> that apci-thig
[01:27] <rUiSu> me?
[01:28] <rUiSu> oh, wrong forum :P
[01:30] <Red3ye> is anyone running wireless
[01:30] <Red3ye> on kubutnoo?
[01:30] <rUiSu> yes
[01:30] <rUiSu> imam
[01:31] <rUiSu> do you need help?
[01:31] <rUiSu> i am, sry :P
[01:31] <Red3ye> ye
[01:31] <Red3ye> s
[01:31] <Red3ye> well maybe
[01:31] <Red3ye> im like this close
[01:31] <rUiSu> ok, whats the problem
[01:31] <Red3ye> to installing either kubunto
[01:31] <Red3ye> or gentoo
[01:32] <rUiSu> mmm
[01:32] <Red3ye> but i need wireless support
[01:32] <Red3ye> like right of the bad
[01:32] <rUiSu> are you new to linux?
[01:32] <Red3ye> bat
[01:32] <Red3ye> i've run slack and some live cds b4
[01:32] <eqisow> ubuntu/kubuntu definitely have the best out of the box wireless support I've seen
[01:32] <rUiSu> mhm me too, but i tell you
[01:32] <Red3ye> yeah
[01:32] <rUiSu> gentoo is the least friendly installation distro
[01:32] <Red3ye> i know
[01:32] <eqisow> what wireless card are you running?
[01:32] <Red3ye> but its like rock solid once u get it working right
[01:32] <Red3ye> internal on my lappy
[01:32] <Red3ye> broadcom
[01:32] <Red3ye> chipset
[01:33] <rUiSu> i miself couldnt get it ruinning
[01:33] <Red3ye> o
[01:33] <eqisow> ouch..
[01:33] <rUiSu> yup
[01:33] <rUiSu> imean
[01:33] <eqisow> broadcom cards a re a pita
[01:33] <rUiSu> when compilyng, i went nuts by how much time i needied
[01:33] <Red3ye> o
[01:33] <eqisow> in any distro really
[01:34] <eqisow> you could get a PCMCIA card... or there is a how-to here:
[01:34] <eqisow> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[01:34] <Red3ye> but i have a good internal one
[01:34] <Red3ye> on my laptop
[01:34] <rUiSu> but in gentoo its like, i began at 7 o clock night, ended 3 am, and couldnt understand the inslation
[01:34] <Red3ye> o
[01:34] <Red3ye> sucks
[01:34] <Pher> Red3ye: what type of laptop you got?
[01:34] <Red3ye> but its solid isnt it
[01:34] <Red3ye> gateway
[01:34] <rUiSu> ok
[01:34] <eqisow> yeah, but the only way to get broadcom cards working is with ndiswrapper, which is a pretty hackish solution
[01:35] <Red3ye> o
[01:35] <Red3ye> damn
[01:35] <Pher> and even then no garuntee to work :)
[01:35] <Red3ye> i'll just screw with it?
[01:35] <Pher> my laptop with a Broadcomm won't work under linux
[01:36] <Red3ye> o
[01:36] <Red3ye> do any of you play css
[01:36] <eqisow> I do
[01:36] <rUiSu> yeah, ""and this wrapper"" is good thhoug, never failed me
[01:37] <Red3ye> o
[01:37] <Red3ye> is it easy
[01:37] <rUiSu> yeah
[01:37] <Red3ye> to get working on linux
[01:37] <eqisow> with cedega it's pretty simple, I never had anything with CS:S in wine
[01:37] <rUiSu> mhm, but i neded to install an optional packages dhcp3, the dhclient to start automatic dhcp working
[01:38] <rUiSu> so
[01:38] <eqisow> err, never had any luck rather
[01:38] <rUiSu> what am i missing in the booting?
[01:38] <rUiSu> it never had failed
[01:38] <Red3ye> cedega costs money
[01:39] <eqisow> unfortunately so
[01:39] <Red3ye> wasnt it free b4
[01:39] <eqisow> nope
[01:39] <eqisow> Cedega/WineX has always been commercial
[01:40] <Red3ye> o
[01:41] <Red3ye> do they put out releases often
[01:41] <trym> someone say my nick I want to check if something is working
[01:41] <eqisow> it's kind of spotty
[01:41] <eqisow> trym
[01:42] <trym> perfect
[01:42] <trym> it worked :)
[01:42] <rUiSu> ok, imgona talk to ubuntu-boot
[01:47] <rUiSu> no response..
[01:48] <Red3ye2> wjats the latest
[01:48] <Red3ye2> verison of cedega
[01:49] <eqisow> 5.1.3
[01:50] <rUiSu> who uses wine?
[01:50] <eqisow> but it seems, to me at least, that CS:S runs slightly better in 4.3.3
[01:50] <eqisow> I do
[01:50] <rUiSu> why is it so slow for winecfg?
[01:50] <eqisow> what do you mean?
[01:51] <rUiSu> imean,. when i start winecfg it stays like doing nothing for 2 minuts
[01:51] <rUiSu> 2 frustrating minutes
[01:51] <eqisow> I have no idea :(
[01:51] <rUiSu> hm
[01:51] <eqisow> pops right up for me
[01:51] <eqisow> no errors or text in konsole?
[01:51] <rUiSu> i have bad luck for distros
[01:51] <rUiSu> nope
[01:51] <eqisow> very odd
[01:51] <rUiSu> mhm
[01:53] <rUiSu> mhm, there is always something wrong with my sistems
[01:53] <eqisow> you could try purging and reinstalling wine, but I dunno if that would help
[01:53] <eqisow> oooh
[01:53] <eqisow> what repo are you using for wine?
[01:53] <rUiSu> repo?
[01:54] <eqisow> repository, sorry
[01:54] <rUiSu> @.@
[01:54] <rUiSu> um
[01:54] <rUiSu> the source
[01:54] <eqisow> you compiled it?
[01:54] <rUiSu> mhm
[01:54] <eqisow> downloaded the source from winehq?
[01:54] <rUiSu> yup
[01:55] <eqisow> hmm
[01:55] <rUiSu> even downloading from the winehq.org deb ones, its the same thing
[01:57] <eqisow> just for kicks, you could try the instructions here:
[01:57] <eqisow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingWineFromSource
[01:57] <rUiSu> yeah, ther are no errors biuildingit
[01:57] <eqisow> you could skip the patches, of course, unless you want to play world of warcraft
[01:59] <eqisow> I would comment out the binary line, if you've added it. It'll be a pain when you run updates if you don't
[02:01] <rUiSu> wow, i didnt knew there where patches
[02:01] <rUiSu> brb
[02:02] <dark_light> how can i configure kde to do not save my session?
[02:03] <dark_light> on k menu exists a 'new session' but i don't want a new session, just 'when i shut down do not save my current apps'
[02:06] <_s3B4s_> you can put some permissions on /home/USERNAME/.kde/autorun
[02:06] <_s3B4s_> :D
[02:07] <_s3B4s_> sorry /home/USERNAME/.kde/Autorun
[02:07] <_s3B4s_> its like that :D
[02:09] <dark_light> but, but, but.. ubuntu isn't about being user-friendly?
[02:09] <dark_light> if i can't do it with the mouse, it's a bug on (k)ubuntu
[02:10] <dark_light> (editing /home/USERNAME/.kde/Autorun)
[02:10] <eqisow> shrug, maybe so; but I'd hardly call it a show stopper
[02:10] <dark_light> what i am supposed to write on /home/USERNAME/.kde/Autorun ? i should only edit the permissions? o.o
[02:10] <dark_light> eqisow, (what is shrug?)
[02:12] <dark_light> many users do not open the same apps when shut down. there should be a 'save my session' (initially checked) on logout dialog o.o
[02:13] <_s3B4s_> mmm
[02:13] <_s3B4s_> yes but, i give you the easy way :D
[02:13] <_s3B4s_> jeje
[02:13] <_s3B4s_> hehe
[02:15] <EricL> Can someone give me an apt src for breezy?
[02:15] <_s3B4s_> mmm, a list??
[02:16] <eqisow> dark_light
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> I'm trying to change the label on a vfat and an ext3 filesystem, apparenlty mkfs will do it, but I don't want to format the filesystems to do so. Any ideas?
[02:16] <dark_light> www.ubuntuguide.org has one i think
[02:16] <dark_light> eqisow, yes?
[02:16] <eqisow> go to control center, then KDE components, then Session Manager
[02:16] <eqisow> if you want a GUI way to do it
[02:17] <EricL> I am trying to get ubuntu to install on a Xen vm and I need an Ubuntu apt src to pass to debootstrap.
[02:17] <dark_light> _s3B4s_, well the file /home/myuser/.kde/Autorun don't exists, what i am supposed to do? create it with 000 perms?
[02:17] <eqisow> change <On Login> to Start with an empty session
[02:17] <dark_light> eqisow, thanks:)
[02:17] <eqisow> or manually saved session, if you prefer
[02:17] <eqisow> np
[02:18] <_s3B4s_> :P
[02:19] <dark_light> eqisow, there are only kde resources and services manager (but i opened system settings instead of control center - i can't find any control center)
[02:19] <Infecto> hmmm
[02:20] <dark_light> LeeJunFan, maybe with fdisk
[02:20] <eqisow> ahh, well yeah that's a bit of a prob with kubuntu. control center is the kde tool and system settings is the ubuntu tool
[02:20] <Infecto> is there any know problem with instaling mplayer on 6.06 ?
[02:20] <eqisow> you cxan get to the control center by typing kcontrol in a term
[02:20] <Infecto>    mplayer-586: Wymaga: libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.99.0)
[02:21] <eqisow> or you can add it to the K menu through the Kicker config options
[02:21] <_s3B4s_> mmm, somebody have problems with the port 80 using apache?
[02:22] <dark_light> eqisow, ok:)
[02:22] <dark_light> _s3B4s_, when i was using a isp that blocks the port 80, yes
[02:23] <_s3B4s_> shiet
[02:24] <eqisow> I would like to take this oppertunity to mention that I <3 Time Warner
[02:26] <ruisu> hi
[02:26] <ohay> does somenone know how can one enforce the use of a specific resolution in X ?
[02:27] <ruisu> ey, yeah, the x.org system is not working
[02:27] <ruisu> i was able to boot correctly, but no x
[02:27] <ruisu> no grafics
[02:27] <ruisu> :(
[02:27] <eqisow> ohay, you could remove all resolutions except for the desires in xorg.conf
[02:27] <ruisu> um, what>
[02:27] <ruisu> ??? >.>
[02:28] <ruisu> it said to remove the x-windows-system-core
[02:29] <ruisu> witch i believe to be a bad moove
[02:30] <ruisu> so, im going to mount the cd and reinstall that
[02:30] <ruisu> how should i mount it?
[02:31] <ruisu> mount /dev/hdd -t isowhat? /media/cdrom0/
[02:32] <eqisow> meh, got disconected. did you get a response ruisu?
[02:32] <ruisu> nope
[02:32] <ruisu> im gomint to try this:
[02:32] <eqisow> ok, what card are you using? is this a fresh install? if not, did you do anything to cause this?
[02:33] <ruisu> mount /dev/hdd -t iso9660 /media/cdrom0
[02:33] <corey> anyone know if  there is a command to show bandwidth?
[02:33] <ruisu> mmm, i dont know why it happened
[02:33] <ruisu> the xorg worked fine
[02:34] <eqisow> video card?
[02:34] <ruisu> ati
[02:34] <ruisu> 256mb
[02:34] <_s3B4s_> congratulations man
[02:35] <Lorenzod> Does anybody know if it's possible to get amaroK to automatically organize files when they get imported?
[02:35] <_s3B4s_> i have a nVidia 32 mb :D
[02:35] <_s3B4s_> haha
[02:35] <geno_> Where can I submit a very annoyinh translation bug?
[02:35] <ruisu> i had that one 2
[02:35] <eqisow> ok, ruiso. try doing 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' from the command line. Choose vesa for your video driver
[02:36] <eqisow> see if that works for you
[02:36] <ruisu> ok
[02:36] <geno_> In KDE intertionalisation
[02:36] <eqisow> Loren, could you be more specific? amaroK organizes everything fine for me
[02:37] <eqisow> ohhh
[02:37] <ruisu> ok, lok, i got my mother board chipset NVidia, and my 3d card is ATI
[02:37] <eqisow> I misunderstood, sorry Loren
[02:37] <Lorenzod> eqisow: I add my songs into ~/Music, then I select "organize" to get the files placed in subfolders.
[02:37] <Lorenzod> okay, np
[02:37] <eqisow> right, I gotcha now
[02:38] <ruisu> so, as its explained now, i believe ill choose ati
[02:38] <ruisu> cuz its wantint the video cards make
[02:38] <Lorenzod> So can it be done. It's a bit painful to always manually organize ;-)
[02:38] <geno_> In the french translation of KDE programs, a lot of the common menus are in english(ARG!), do I submit the bug to Launchpad?
[02:38] <eqisow> I'm afraid I dunno Loren. I keep my MP3 jumbled in one folder :/
[02:39] <geno_> In dapper Drake
[02:39] <ruisu> ok, can someone help me?how much is 256mb in kb?
[02:39] <Lorenzod> eqisow: I used to do that as well, but now I'm trying to organize them a bit more.
[02:39] <eqisow> right ruiso, but cvesa also works. I was makign sure the ati drivers werne't broken since they tend to suck
[02:39] <eqisow> vesa*
[02:39] <ruisu> hmm
[02:40] <eqisow> because you can always change to ati later :p
[02:40] <Lorenzod> And since amarok 1.4 helps with this, I thought I'd give it a try..
[02:40] <ruisu> no, it cant be, i was already using that. oh when i tried to startx, it said the fonts where misconfigured or where missing
[02:40] <eqisow> 256MB is 262144 KB
[02:40] <ruisu> ok thanks
[02:40] <eqisow> but the autodetect works fine really
[02:40] <ruisu> well, ok
[02:41] <eqisow> or it always has for me at any rate
[02:42] <eqisow> hey loren, congrats. I suppose you found something AmaroK doesn't do ;)
[02:42] <eqisow> I've never been able to manage that
[02:43] <Lorenzod> eqisow: well, it actually hasn't been able to make me coffee either :-D
[02:43] <eqisow> lol
[02:43] <Lorenzod> But then again, I suppose it's possible to write scripts for both of those
[02:43] <Lorenzod> ;-)
[02:44] <ruisu> ok, im done ith dpkg, should i starrt running startx?
[02:44] <eqisow> yeah, give it a try ruisu
[02:44] <ruisu> ok
[02:44] <ruisu> brb
[02:48] <ohay> does someone know why there are no Modeline entries in Kubuntu's xorg.conf ?
[02:49] <ruisu> wooot
[02:49] <eqisow> how'd it go ruiso?
[02:49] <ruisu> thanks alot!!
[02:49] <ruisu> umm
[02:49] <ruisu> i selected the ati drivers
[02:49] <ruisu> and the grafix where smudged
[02:49] <ruisu> the
[02:49] <ruisu> then
[02:49] <ruisu> i selected the frlgx and its ok
[02:50] <eqisow> awesome
[02:50] <ruisu> frlgx is a thing used by the card
[02:50] <eqisow> glad it's workin for ya
[02:50] <ruisu> so its ok
[02:50] <ruisu> yeah thanks :D
[02:50] <eqisow> np
[02:50] <ruisu> doumo arigatou gozaimasu :D:D:D
[02:50] <ikochang> hello all.  anyone with iptables knowledge here?
[02:50] <ruisu> (very much thanks :D:D:D)
[02:50] <ruisu> m nop
[02:50] <ruisu> so, seeya
[02:51] <Kwipper> I am a windows user and I just got kubuntu installed. I have never used anything outside of windows before and of course and I have a few questions.
[02:51] <eqisow> fire away bud
[02:52] <Kwipper> 1.) I found the area to switch the refresh rate, but no matter what resolution I choose, I can't change the refresh rate beyond 60 Hz.
[02:52] <Kwipper> How do I fix this?
[02:52] <eqisow> the easiest way, would be to open up konsole (should be in your K menu) and type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:53] <eqisow> when you get to the monitor portion you should can choose 'simple' and just tell it your monitor size
[02:53] <rtg_> kwipper: Make sure your monitor is properly selected, and it supports refresh > 60
[02:53] <Kwipper> I just got a message saying "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root"
[02:53] <Kwipper> What is that?
[02:54] <eqisow> ah, yeah
[02:54] <eqisow> I'm sorry
[02:54] <eqisow> you need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:54] <rtg_> heh, heh,  The first thing you learn about Linux is there's at least three ways to do anything!
[02:54] <eqisow> and type your user password
[02:54] <eqisow> sudo stands for super user do, and gives you admin access to the system
[02:55] <Kwipper> Okay. I am at a new screen now
[02:55] <Kwipper> It's asking to autodetect my hardware
[02:55] <Kwipper> I hope this works with dell monitors
[02:55] <eqisow> shouldn't be a prob
[02:56] <Kwipper> How do I find my video card's bus identifier?
[02:56] <roniez> hm..
[02:56] <eqisow> leave it blank
[02:56] <eqisow> it will auto detect
[02:56] <eqisow> or at whatever it defaulted as
[02:57] <eqisow> I prob told you the least friendly was to do it, but it was the first thing I thought of, heh
[02:57] <eqisow> in fact, forget it, close that (very sorry)
[02:57] <eqisow> just go to the K menu and find the control center
[02:58] <eqisow> press the Administrator button at the bottom and enter your password
[02:58] <eqisow> then go to the hardware tab
[02:58] <eqisow> hit the configure button by monitor #1
[02:58] <canllaith> Heya, if I wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop from an ubuntu system is there a single metapackage I can use to get rid of it all at once?
[02:58] <eqisow> and select your monitor there. if it's a dell you should be able to find it
[02:59] <eqisow> if not, pull down the generic list and select your monitors max res and refresh
[02:59] <eqisow> canllaith, not that I'm aware of. then again, there's a lot I'm not aware of ;)
[03:00] <eqisow> Kwipper, still with me?
[03:00] <canllaith> I have KDE 3.5 compiled in /opt (I prefer to do it myself) so I thought I'd ditch the kubuntu packages :)
[03:02] <canllaith> aha, removing kdelibs makes it pull all the rest out
[03:02] <eqisow> lol, good job
[03:03] <fakepatriot> uuuhhh...im new and i need some help
[03:03] <eqisow> whatcha need fake?
[03:03] <fakepatriot> i need help installing yakuake...
[03:03] <eqisow> ok... what's the problem?
[03:04] <fakepatriot> well first i downloaded the files
[03:04] <fakepatriot> then i read one of them
[03:04] <fakepatriot> told me to configure it or something like that
[03:04] <fakepatriot> anyway
[03:04] <fakepatriot> i did that
[03:05] <fakepatriot> and then at the end it tells me there no acceptable C compiler found
[03:05] <fakepatriot> i dont know what the hell that means but im really confused
[03:05] <canllaith>  apt-get build-dep kdelibs
[03:05] <canllaith> perhaps
[03:05] <eqisow> err
[03:05] <fakepatriot> ok ill try that
[03:05] <canllaith> Since yakuake will also need devel libraries to build kde apps
[03:05] <canllaith> (It's a konsole hack, isn't it?)
[03:05] <canllaith> Unless I'm mistaking what it is
[03:05] <eqisow> is there any particular reason you're compiling yakuake from source?
[03:06] <eqisow> yeah, it's a pull down console
[03:06] <eqisow> (F12)
[03:06] <canllaith> I'm sure there would be a package for that
[03:06] <fakepatriot> see the thing about that is i have no idea what your talking about...
[03:06] <canllaith> fakepatriot: why have you downloaded it from kde-apps.org or wherever instead of using the packaging system to install it?
[03:06] <canllaith> Like, adept or synaptic or whatever
[03:06] <eqisow> try running apt-get install yakuake in konsole :)
[03:07] <fakepatriot> ok about the "apt-get" thing
[03:07] <fakepatriot> my brother was trying to help me out the other day
[03:07] <fakepatriot> he wanted me to get some program
[03:07] <fakepatriot> so that he could fix my problems from his computer
[03:07] <fakepatriot> i dont know what its called
[03:08] <fakepatriot> anyway
[03:08] <eqisow> your first source for programs should be apt-get or adept, and most everything you need will be there :)
[03:08] <fakepatriot> i ended up enabling stuff in adept
[03:08] <fakepatriot> sounds simple enough
[03:08] <fakepatriot> i followed the instructions
[03:08] <fakepatriot> and now my shit doesnt work anymore
[03:09] <fakepatriot> that was about 2 days ago
[03:09] <fakepatriot> and i havent talked to my brother since
[03:09] <fakepatriot> hes not off work otherwise id be asking him
[03:09] <fakepatriot> but the other day he told me to ask around in the IRC channels...
[03:09] <eqisow> I see I see
[03:10] <eqisow> well something more specific than 'my shit don't work' would really be helpful :)
[03:10] <fakepatriot> hehehe
[03:10] <fakepatriot> well i do the whoel apt-get thing
[03:10] <eqisow> right
[03:10] <fakepatriot> and at the end i get a bunch of errors
[03:10] <fakepatriot> uuuh..
[03:10] <fakepatriot> here let me try to pull them up real quick...
[03:12] <fakepatriot> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:12] <fakepatriot> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:12] <fakepatriot> fakepatriot@Sennheiser:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep kdelibs
[03:12] <fakepatriot> Reading package lists... Done
[03:12] <fakepatriot> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:12] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restrictedsudo Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restrictedsudo_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:12] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/cp Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_cp_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:12] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy//etc/apt/sources.list Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy__etc_apt_sources.list_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:12] <eqisow> do you have adept open?
[03:12] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/Desktop/sources Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_Desktop_sources_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:12] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:13] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:13] <fakepatriot> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:13] <fakepatriot> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[03:13] <fakepatriot> that happens
[03:13] <fakepatriot> no
[03:13] <eqisow> ok, run sudo apt-get -f install
[03:13] <fakepatriot> ok
[03:13] <eqisow> this should clean up any dependency issues that exist
[03:14] <fakepatriot> Reading package lists... Done
[03:14] <fakepatriot> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:14] <fakepatriot> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 67 not upgraded.
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restrictedsudo Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restrictedsudo_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/cp Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_cp_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy//etc/apt/sources.list Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy__etc_apt_sources.list_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/Desktop/sources Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_Desktop_sources_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:14] <fakepatriot> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:14] <fakepatriot> that happenned
[03:14] <eqisow> whoom ok chill
[03:14] <Snake__> !amarok
[03:14] <ubotu> hmm... amarok is a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[03:14] <Snake__> grr
[03:14] <eqisow> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:14] <eqisow> try following that advice ;)
[03:15] <fakepatriot> that doesnt work
[03:15] <canllaith> put 'sudo' first
[03:15] <eqisow> aye, what can said
[03:15] <fakepatriot> i am not that dumb
[03:15] <eqisow> lol, no offense meant. you said you were new :p
[03:15] <canllaith> Dude, if you want some help we're gonna suggest stuff. Sort of that's how it works
[03:15] <fakepatriot> hehe
[03:15] <fakepatriot> none taken
[03:15] <fakepatriot> well suggest stuff
[03:16] <fakepatriot> and ill tell you if i tried it or not
[03:16] <canllaith> We are, 'I tried that' is a better answer than 'I'm not dumb' :P
[03:16] <canllaith> How doesn't it work? Do you get the permission denied error or the file not found error?
[03:16] <eqisow> ok, so is everything working ok except the updater?
[03:16] <canllaith> (or another one entirely?)
[03:17] <fakepatriot> uuhhh...this happens when i run apt-get update
[03:17] <fakepatriot> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  restrictedsudo/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[03:17] <fakepatriot> Reading package lists... Done
[03:17] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restrictedsudo Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restrictedsudo_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:17] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/cp Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_cp_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:17] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy//etc/apt/sources.list Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy__etc_apt_sources.list_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:17] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/Desktop/sources Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_Desktop_sources_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:17] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restrictedsudo Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restrictedsudo_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/cp Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_cp_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy//etc/apt/sources.list Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy__etc_apt_sources.list_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/Desktop/sources Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_Desktop_sources_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:18] <fakepatriot> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:18] <canllaith> wow ok, maybe you should use a pastebin :)
[03:18] <eqisow> dude, all those errors are the same. no need for all of that ;)
[03:18] <fakepatriot> yeah i was doing that with my bro
[03:19] <canllaith> Perhaps he could use the sources.list generator to ix that up, eqisow ?
[03:19] <canllaith> s/ix/fix/
[03:19] <nalioth> fakepatriot: um, did the /topic get by you?
[03:20] <nalioth> fakepatriot: the part about | Please don't paste into the channel, use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:20] <eqisow> fake, are you running dapper or breezy?
[03:20] <fakepatriot> breezy
[03:21] <fakepatriot> oh we were doing that sources.list thing too...
[03:21] <gmbazillion> Okay
[03:21] <gmbazillion> I have the refresh rate problem fixed now
[03:21] <gmbazillion> Now lets get some other things working
[03:21] <eqisow> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:21] <gmbazillion> 2.) I have an soundblaster audigy 4. How do I get it to produce sound.
[03:21] <eqisow> try using that fake, and past whatever it gives you into your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[03:22] <eqisow> and then run an update from adept
[03:22] <fakepatriot> ok cool ill tell you if it works
[03:23] <BobLoblaw> dapper doesn't want to resize my ntfs partition to save its life, and its also the most ambiguous fricken wizard ever. what are my options now?
[03:24] <eqisow> what are you using to try and resize it Bob?
[03:24] <BobLoblaw> just the installer
[03:24] <eqisow> gmb, I'm not sure bud. I'm trying to see what I can find out
[03:24] <billytwowilly> what is a good kde frontend for sane?
[03:24] <BobLoblaw> like i burned flight 6 of dapper i believe
[03:24] <BobLoblaw> then i want it to massage my winxp partition to a lower size
[03:25] <eqisow> umm, eithe rpartition magic in windows, or you could try qtparted in a linux live CD like Knoppix
[03:25] <billytwowilly> kooka.. oh right..
[03:25] <BobLoblaw> yeah, i guess ill try qtparted unless pm doesnt have some sort of demo
[03:27] <BobLoblaw> but yeah, in the wizard, "New Partition Size" in the Guided install doesnt really inform the user whether the size is going to be of the original partition (usually windows) or the to be created partition (linux)
[03:28] <fakepatriot> ok i did what you said, now what?
[03:37] <rtg_> I got a question on updates:
[03:38] <Bladesonfire> Hi, does anyone know how to put the Kubuntu installer on a USB flash drive?
[03:38] <rtg_> If I run update-manager on an ubuntu 5.10 system, will it give me the option to update to kubuntu 6.06?
[03:39] <canllaith> If you run update-manager -d it will
[03:39] <canllaith> from the command line
[03:39] <Bladesonfire> rtg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[03:40] <rtg_> thanks.  I'll give it a try on my laptop, which has been running breezy for 6 months now...
[03:41] <rtg_> I read that web page, but it didn't mention anything about having a choice of 'flavor' of the new release.
[03:42] <rtg_> The developers must be woring overtime now.  I installed beta2, which was releassed april 28, and adept updateer is telling me there are 195 packages to upgrade today!
[03:43] <Bladesonfire> I like this distro plenty
[03:44] <rtg_> <Bladesonfire: I think I saw something on the wiki about a netinstall from a USB flash drive.  I don't think it's an official option, but somebody put it together...
[03:46] <billytwowilly> hi, with some kde apps (like konqueror) and with azureus I can't click on some stuff in dapper. ie. when azureus pops up an error I mouse over the "hide" button, which shows it is selected, but it won't click. How do I fix this?
[03:46] <canllaith> http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[03:46] <billytwowilly> also, where can I get extra applets for kde? kde.com is down...
[03:46] <canllaith> I think that's the instructions for putting the installer onto the key...
[03:46] <canllaith> Ah, ignore me - it's not.
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> billytwowilly: 'sudo apt-get install kicker-applets' and kde-apps.org
[03:47] <billytwowilly> thanks.
[03:47] <billytwowilly> any idea on the problems with stuff not clicking? it happens in konqueror too with the google search thing. I can type stuff in the search box but It won't recognize I hit enter..
[03:48] <rtg_> I haven't encountered that one.  Did you search the buglist? has it been posted yet?
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> billytwowilly: No, I don't use dapper, not sure whats wrong.
[03:49] <billytwowilly> it's minor, but irritating... I hope it gets fixed by release..
[03:52] <Lorenzod> billytwowilly: I've also noticed that. Have you checked the changelog for KDE 3.5.3?
[03:53] <Lorenzod> I see that another of my irritations will be fixed for 3.5.3 at least: kontact (kmail) losing folder settings.
[03:53] <billytwowilly> Lorenzod: nope. I only noticed it with azureus, so figured it was an azureus bug, but then konqueror did it too. just figured out it was kubuntu related now;)
[03:53] <rtg_> I searched launchpad for 'buttons not clickable' and found 6 items.  you shouls review them and post your comments, or post a fresh one if none of those really describe your situation.
[03:55] <Lorenzod> Yeah, it's worth a report if none exists.
[03:56] <rtg_> Gotta restart X to try some new settings...
[03:56] <billytwowilly> is there a way to get kwallet to ask for my password when I log in?
[03:56] <billytwowilly> or better yet, just open the wallet when I log in?
[03:58] <winXperts> specs on the machine piii 700mhz 256 mb's of ram
[03:58] <Bladesonfire> Opera
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Konqueror
[03:59] <winXperts> right now testing konq, opera, galeon, and firefox
[03:59] <winXperts> so far opera seems faster
[04:00] <Bladesonfire> And uses less RAM than Firefox
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes,  it does.
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> I find it faster, but tend to use konqueror
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> If you use Opera, the beta of version 9 is ver nice.
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> very*
[04:01] <Bladesonfire> Yeah, I'm kinda biased
[04:01] <Bladesonfire> I've been using Opera since 6.x
[04:01] <winXperts> :)
[04:02] <Bladesonfire> And since I use to always switch between Windows/Linux, it was nice having consistency
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> I used it since 8.0 ;)
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> But konqueror ousted it. :P
[04:02] <winXperts> have 9 beta on this lappy the older one has the 8 release
[04:04] <winXperts> thank guys will keep testing
[04:05] <BobLoblaw> opera is nice
[04:05] <BobLoblaw> however a lot of the defaults are lame
[04:05] <BobLoblaw> and a lot of options i end up turning off
[04:06] <BobLoblaw> like thumbnailing every effing page
[04:08] <Bladesonfire> Thumbnailing?
[04:08] <Bladesonfire> Oh, when you mouseover a tab?
[04:09] <Trae> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6336/uglywindow0wh.png
[04:09] <Trae> Ok, put on your thick skin here KDE people
[04:09] <Trae> ;)
[04:09] <Trae> I actually should probably take this to #kde-devel
[04:13] <Bladesonfire> Well, I still like Konq > Naut ;)
[04:14] <BobLoblaw> Naut doesnt rate
[04:14] <BobLoblaw> :D
[04:15] <BobLoblaw> Trae: yeah, kde-devel would probably want to hear it, also, i would imagine this stuff is gone in KDE4 if not some other theme
[04:18] <BobLoblaw> Trae: but its "inconsistent" :)
[04:19] <Trae> talking to those guys now
[04:19] <Trae> thanks
[04:20] <BobLoblaw> Trae: also, consistency is sometimes bad. like the KDE icons in that scrshot you made, they're all the same damn colour. its very hard to differentiate between them
[04:21] <BobLoblaw> contrast this with the defaults for FF
[04:21] <BobLoblaw> #kde-artists have improved this though
[04:22] <Trae> BobLoblaw, I'm just getitng things setup here in KDE
[04:22] <Trae> BobLoblaw, trying to switch from GNOEM
[04:22] <Trae> gnome even
[04:23] <BobLoblaw> Trae: yeah, i understand, welcome to the party. i just like to argue :D
[04:23] <Trae> heheh
[04:23] <BobLoblaw> im also a newb in many ways
[04:24] <Trae> well, at least I tried to lay out my issues in a screenshot to educate
[04:24] <Trae> instead of just going...
[04:24] <Trae> KDE sucks
[04:24] <Trae> heh
[04:24] <BobLoblaw> yeah exactly
[04:24] <Snake__> Any dapper runners in here?
[04:24] <Trae> which a lot of uninformed people might do
[04:24] <BobLoblaw> too many people do that
[04:24] <Trae> Snake__, nod
[04:24] <Snake__> Trae: can you find flashplugin-nonfree in the repos?
[04:24] <Trae> BobLoblaw, those same people don't realize that in that vain(vein?) gnome sucks too.
[04:24] <Trae> Snake__, yah
[04:24] <Trae> Snake__, enable universe and multiverse
[04:24] <Snake__> !sources
[04:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:25] <Trae> ubotu, tell Snake__ about flash
[04:25] <Trae> :)
[04:25] <Snake__> Trae: I know about flash, hence where I got the package name ;)
[04:25] <Trae> Snake__, hehehe, sorry
[04:25] <Trae> Snake__, just wanted to poke ubotu
[04:25] <Snake__> !botsnack
[04:25] <ubotu> :)
[04:26] <BobLoblaw> Trae: yeah, Gnome LOOKS great, but form follows function :)
[04:27] <Trae> heh
[04:27] <Trae> :/
[04:27] <Trae> 24 hours and I'm already missing gnome.
[04:27] <Trae> :(
[04:27] <Trae> you can lead a horse to water....
[04:27] <Trae> heh
[04:27] <Trae> what's so funny is...
[04:27] <Trae> I ran KDE for like 3 years
[04:27] <Trae> from 99-2002 or so
[04:27] <Snake__> ah ha
[04:28] <Trae> switched to gnome, and I've been trying to go back to KDE but can't
[04:28] <Trae> I KNOW kde is superior in terms of function
[04:28] <Lorenzod> Trae: I've been running Gnome for the last two years.
[04:28] <Snake__> Gnome is pretty good
[04:28] <Trae> I KNOW it!
[04:28] <Trae> things like...
[04:28] <Trae> right click maximize button
[04:28] <Trae> in kwin
[04:28] <Trae> just rox
[04:28] <Snake__> Trae: I feel programs are built better in gnome personally
[04:28] <Trae> Snake__, nod
[04:28] <Lorenzod> Well, Gnome and Xfce..
[04:28] <rtg_> I'm just the opposite.  Been running KDE for 5+ years
[04:28] <Trae> rtg_, and keep trying to switch to gnome?
[04:28] <Trae> hehe
[04:28] <Snake__> I love KDE to death, but GTK seems to have much more stable aps
[04:29] <rtg_> every year or so, I try out a gnome-based distro
[04:29] <Trae> rtg_, yup
[04:29] <rtg_> I usually last a few hours before I'm disgusted.
[04:29] <Trae> rtg_, how old are you?
[04:29] <rtg_> 55
[04:29] <Trae> rtg_, ahhaha, that's the problem.
[04:29] <Snake__> Hehe
[04:29] <Trae> rtg_, I'm 37
[04:29] <Trae> rtg_, we are too old and set in our ways
[04:29] <Lorenzod> I personally like both Gnome and KDE
[04:29] <Snake__> I'm 16...
[04:29] <Snake__> :)
[04:29] <rtg_> Gnome looks like it was designed by l33t gamers...
[04:29] <Trae> rtg_, *chuckle*
[04:30] <Lorenzod> But their are some KDE apps that are much more mature than Gnome counterparts.
[04:30] <Trae> Lorenzod, true
[04:30] <Trae> Lorenzod, computers suck.
[04:30] <Trae> :)
[04:30] <Lorenzod> And it happens that I need those apps.
[04:30] <Lorenzod> lol
[04:30] <rtg_> I hear both projects are trying to support the other's applications...
[04:30] <BobLoblaw> too many things in gnome make me think they are completely high
[04:31] <Lorenzod> rtg_: yes, but I've heard those things before.
[04:31] <rtg_> My son is 22, and I gave him an ubuntu system.
[04:31] <Snake__> Kate is godly.
[04:31] <Snake__> Just to sum it up.
[04:31] <Pher> one thing I like about kde is they package libraries together, so artwork is really in one thing, gnome has 30 different dependences
[04:31] <rtg_> he got mad at me when he saw my kubuntu system a few weeks later....
[04:31] <Lorenzod> Kate stinks, but I wish it didn't.
[04:31] <BobLoblaw> like, i hate the letter K. I think little leprechaun feet are hilarious. but KDE is still wicked in so many ways.
[04:31] <Lorenzod> I'm trying to like kate.
[04:31] <Snake__> Lorenzod: how could you say that??
[04:31] <rtg_> Why didn't you give me the better one!!!
[04:32] <Snake__> Lorenzod: that is the best prog ive ever programmed in.
[04:32] <Lorenzod> Hm.. It does not compare to Vim.
[04:32] <Lorenzod> But I wish it would.
[04:32] <Snake__> I dont like vim for 1 reason: I cant highlight.
[04:32] <Lorenzod> I want a *modern* editor. I've been using Vim since back in my Amiga days.
[04:32] <rtg_> I got a serious question....
[04:32] <Snake__> I cant hightlight and backspace
[04:32] <Snake__> and that makes me made
[04:32] <Snake__> mad*
[04:32] <Lorenzod> Vim highlights perfectly.
[04:33] <rtg_> Just ttried to update kubuntu 5.10 to 6.06
[04:33] <Lorenzod> Maybe you need to edit your .vimrc
[04:33] <Trae> "Torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool, loving you both, is breaking all the rules..."  rtg_
[04:33] <Snake__> I've never messed with the .vimrc
[04:33] <Trae> rtg_, remember that song? heh
[04:33] <rtg_> failes at the first step:  gksudo command not found...
[04:34] <Trae> ok
[04:34] <Trae> let me play with some different themes
[04:34] <Trae> maybe that's the problem
[04:34] <Lorenzod> Trae: bah, stop being sentimental. It's possible to love to at the same time ;-)
[04:35] <Trae> Lorenzod, *chuckle*
[04:35] <Lorenzod> **two, i mean
[04:35] <Lorenzod> I'm losing literacy at an alarming rate these days..
[04:35] <Snake__> I wish launchcast worked in kubuntu :(
[04:35] <rtg_> not that familiar with that one.  I'm more of a Steven Stills fan myself...  "If you're not with the one...
[04:36] <Lorenzod> Trae: one thing I've noticed: any time I'm using KDE I read up about new Gnome features and go *wow*.
[04:37] <Lorenzod> But if I'm using Gnome, I keep hearing about all these new great things in KDE.
[04:37] <Lorenzod> So I keep jumping back and forth..
[04:37] <Trae> Lorenzod, yah
[04:37] <Trae> Lorenzod, did I mention that computers suck?
[04:37] <Trae> :/
[04:37] <Lorenzod> Trae: yes you did, and yes they do..
[04:37] <Trae> The OS and the DE etc get in the way IMHO
[04:38] <Trae> no matter what OS you use
[04:38] <Trae> there is no silver bullet
[04:38] <Lorenzod> I wish Xfce could become the *one* desktop to rule them all.
[04:38] <Trae> heh
[04:38] <Lorenzod> I would laugh my head off.
[04:38] <Trae> too funny
[04:38] <Lorenzod> After all the corporate backing into Gnome,
[04:38] <Lorenzod> and all the development effort into KDE,
[04:38] <Trae> nod
[04:39] <Trae> and here comes the tortise
[04:39] <Lorenzod> Trae: too true.
[04:39] <Lorenzod> Steady, slow paced, it overtakes them both.. :-D
[04:40] <rtg_> what's Xfce?  another desktop, or a simpler window manager?
[04:40] <Pher> light wm
[04:40] <Lorenzod> rtg_: a lightweight desktop. It's used by xubuntu.
[04:40] <Lorenzod> It's more than a wm.
[04:41] <rtg_> I just heard about xubuntu and edubuntu today...
[04:41] <Lorenzod> Nowadays it even has a filemanager that wasn't coded by mongrels on crack.
[04:41] <Trae> ok, gotta get some sleep
[04:41] <Trae> you guys take care
[04:41] <Trae> bbl
[04:47] <Bladesonfire> Anyone here try out Kororaa?
[04:52] <Snake__> How can I see what my net's name server is?
[04:57] <_gustavo> hola a todos
[04:59] <regeya> I'm so glad you didn't do that in #ubuntu _gustavo...wait, _gustavo is gone.
[05:04] <rtg_> snake: still here?
[05:05] <rtg_> cat /etc/resolv.conf will tell you what nameserver you're currently using...
[05:05] <Snake__> rtg_: sup
[05:05] <Snake__> rtg_: ah, I got it :)
[05:06] <rtg_> Apparently you're auto config via DHCP, you didn't set it yourself??
[05:08] <Pher> does kubuntu do 3d accel for ati radeon cards?
[05:09] <Pher> under freebsd I used the radeon driver for X, wasn't sure if kubuntu had it as well before I started messing too much
[05:09] <rtg_> On my kubuntu 5.10 system, I'm trying the 'dapperupgrade' procedure...
[05:10] <rtg_> pher: try the liveCD first...
[05:10] <Pher> let me know how it goes, I may try it in a few days
[05:10] <Pher> I already have kubuntu installed, using it now
[05:11] <rtg_> First discovery:  update-manager is a gnome application, it isn't on the kubuntu distro...
[05:11] <rtg_> so I had to install it with adept.  It brought 22 other packages with it...
[05:12] <rtg_> when I ran it, it does offer the option to upggrade to 6.06, but it calls it ubuntu 6.06!
[05:13] <rtg_> I'll be bummed if after reboot it wakes up in gnome...
[05:13] <regeya> rtg_:  I wouldn't worry too much.  kubuntu *is* ubuntu.
[05:14] <regeya> kubuntu is ubuntu with a different set of desktop packages.
[05:14] <rtg_> I hope it looks at what I've got, and upates in the same family...
[05:22] <rtg_> I gotta get some sleep.  The update is going to take four hours to download, so I'll check it in the morning...
[05:22] <Pher> ok
[06:20] <Lynoure> a-priori_: nice nick :)
[06:21] <a-priori_> thanks :)
[06:28] <petsei> hello :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hi petsei
[06:32] <Marcos> hi, i'm new in kubuntu and i have troubles installing a router
[06:32] <_bbeck> join #kde
[06:32] <Marcos> the router is smartAx 810
[06:45] <samad> hey i'm having some trouble playing mpg's in kaffeine
[06:45] <samad> i get audio but no visual
[06:50] <apricot> a firewall for kde?
[06:52] <Lynoure> Guarddog comes up on google, at leat
[06:54] <DeadS0ul1`> does juk's musicbrainz feature work for any of you?
[06:55] <Lynoure> I don't even know what juk is
[06:56] <DeadS0ul1`> mp3 player, like amarok
[06:57] <Lynoure> Is it default on Breezy?
[06:58] <DeadS0ul> it's teh default in kde
[06:58] <Lynoure> weird, I don't see it in the menus in dapper kubuntu
[06:59] <Lynoure> instead there is amarok
[06:59] <DeadS0ul> try using musicbrainz to fill in your tags
[07:02] <Lynoure> DeadS0ul: I assume that's what he was trying. No musicbrainz on dapper either (not installed by default, I mean). Is it better than amarok, IYO?
[07:03] <DeadS0ul> musicbrainz is not a program, it's a service sorta like wikipeidia
[07:03] <DeadS0ul> uh, more like cddb/gracenote
[07:03] <Lynoure> I meant juk in general...
[07:03] <DeadS0ul> ...yeah probably not,, i think I had to apt-get it
[07:08] <samad> i'm having some trouble playing mpg's in kaffeine; i get audio but no visual feedback
[07:08] <samad> i'm running breezy 5.10 ppc
[07:11] <petsei> hello:) sorry little crash :(
[07:12] <samad> me too
[07:25] <treakath> hey
[07:25] <treakath> how are you all
[07:45] <jtmoney> is there any advantage to running 6.06 beta 2 over 5.10 with using apt-get to install kubuntu-desktop?
[07:48] <Lynoure> For me it was getting xserver to work with X600 out of the box :)
[07:50] <Lynoure> So, the answer is, just there are some advantages, at least for some people. But Dapper _is_ beta, and can still behave like beta and gets updates about every day, and those can be a hassle for some people
[07:53] <Lynoure> jtmoney: Did that anser your question at all?
[07:56] <ThreeFinity> Hi all. Got a couple Q's for ya.
[07:57] <ThreeFinity> Never used Ubuntu or any related products, jsut linux(slack,drake,RH,gentoo and the like).
[07:57] <ThreeFinity> I've got an ATI Radeon video card and an AMD64 bit CPU. I'd like to optimize use of both of those
[07:58] <ThreeFinity> is kubuntu 64bit ?
[07:58] <Lynoure> ThreeFinity: I know nothing about AMD64 but which radeon?
[07:58] <ThreeFinity> or in a 64bit flavor?
[07:58] <ThreeFinity> radeon 9250 SE
[07:59] <ThreeFinity> Just wondering how stable is kubuntu as well.
[07:59] <Lynoure> There are 64bit images, too, I think
[07:59] <ThreeFinity> I'd like to install it and install cedega and run my games and stuff from a linu platform
[07:59] <ThreeFinity> linux*
[07:59] <Lynoure> Depends on whether you'll go for stable of beta...
[07:59] <ThreeFinity> meh I can work with either
[07:59] <Lynoure> s/of/or
[08:00] <ThreeFinity> easier to type "or*"
[08:00] <ThreeFinity> lol
[08:00] <ThreeFinity> obviou*
[08:00] <ThreeFinity> obvious**
[08:00] <Lynoure> breezer is more stable, dapper is more new, but alas, beta.
[08:00] <ThreeFinity> hmm
[08:00] <Lynoure> ** is redeundant :)
[08:00] <Lynoure> gosh I'm typoish today :)
[08:01] <ThreeFinity> heh I'm on a platform written in C+, don't talk to me about redundant.
[08:01] <ThreeFinity> windows is so....gay
[08:01] <ThreeFinity> but I've never found a stable linux OS for what I like to do
[08:02] <ThreeFinity> it's always like a 3 day battle with something I need to work so I just say screw it and go back to windows lol
[08:02] <ThreeFinity> although I usually fix the problem first
[08:02] <Lynoure> I solved my problem for keeping windows around for games only
[08:02] <ThreeFinity> for/by
[08:02] <Lynoure> (and occasionaly technical help for the windows world)
[08:02] <ThreeFinity> heh
[08:03] <ThreeFinity> meh I'm too lazy to really dual boot alot to switch between games and graphic design mode
[08:03] <ThreeFinity> I game alot
[08:03] <Lynoure> I tend to either play or work :)
[08:03] <ThreeFinity> just tired of window's flaws
[08:03] <Lynoure> A lot of both but not overlappingly
[08:03] <ThreeFinity> lol
[08:03] <ThreeFinity> would be nice to be a paid game reviewer
[08:03] <DeadS0ul> if I install a programfrom tar? what path do I specify whenI do ./configure
[08:04] <Lynoure> ThreeFinity: Same here, I'd do away with it if I were not adventure game addict... but as StartForce is now annoyingly common in adventure games, that day might come, still :/
[08:05] <ThreeFinity> StartForce?
[08:05] <Lynoure> DeadS0ul: Which path... for what? To be installed into? That's up to you.
[08:05] <ThreeFinity> btw: "Kubuntu also provieds security updates for 18 months after each releasea," somebody should proofread the release notes
[08:05] <DeadS0ul> it's a kde program
[08:06] <Lynoure> ThreeForce: Nasty driver for copyrestriction :/
[08:06] <ThreeFinity> radeon?
[08:06] <ThreeFinity> yeah I hear they have alot of issues with linux
[08:06] <ThreeFinity> greedy bastages
[08:06] <Lynoure> StarForce, not Radeon :)
[08:06] <ThreeFinity> never heard heard of it
[08:06] <ThreeFinity> still say radeon is greedy though
[08:06] <Lynoure> Though I like to keep away from BOC (binary only crap) on linux side
[08:07] <ThreeFinity> source is your friend
[08:07] <ThreeFinity> heh
[08:07] <Lynoure> That's why I went for dapper. Works beautifully with my X600 :)
[08:08] <ThreeFinity> well this room seems nicer then the gentoo room that's for sure lol
[08:08] <ThreeFinity> I noticed *buntu is debian based.
[08:08] <ThreeFinity> Will that cause alot of lerning new commands and make it hard to find packages?
[08:08] <ThreeFinity> learning*
[08:10] <imbrandon> nope ;)
[08:10] <imbrandon> just learn apt-get
[08:11] <Lynoure> ThreeFinity: Not in my opinion, but I had used debian for long (I'm thinking about the times when I started)
[08:12] <ThreeFinity> heh
[08:12] <ThreeFinity> apt-get is on gentoo too
[08:12] <ThreeFinity> sort of
[08:12] <ThreeFinity> it's "emerge"
[08:12] <Lynoure> ThreeFinity: There are many gui things for that, but even if you go the comandline way, it's apt-get install/remove  and apt-cache search/show   that you'll prolly just need
[08:13] <ThreeFinity> meh well should I go kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[08:13] <DeadS0ul> apt is so sweet
[08:13] <ThreeFinity> I like KDE's showiness
[08:13] <Lynoure> Depends on whether you prefer KDE or Gnome
[08:13] <ThreeFinity> not sure lol
[08:13] <ThreeFinity> gnome 2+ was pretty smooth
[08:13] <Lynoure> You can switch later, it's not like it's signed in blood :)
[08:14] <ThreeFinity> [10:14pm]  [Personal Notice]  Ubugtu: Error: Error getting Gnome bug #2: NotFound <-- lol
[08:14] <ThreeFinity> do the packages come with the cd?
[08:14] <ThreeFinity> or do I gotta do it all manually?
[08:15] <ThreeFinity> is there a WM switcher tool?
[08:15] <deepwoodz> I'm using opera and it will not play sound for youtube videos or anything else that has to deal with flash
[08:15] <Lynoure> ThreeFinity: I'm not sure.
[08:16] <Lynoure> I went for KDa after years with Gnome and have been happy so far (couple of weeks)
[08:16] <ThreeFinity> wow
[08:16] <ThreeFinity> somebody REALLY needs to look over the release ntoes page
[08:16] <ThreeFinity> notes8
[08:17] <ThreeFinity> I clicked the downloading and installing link up top
[08:17] <ThreeFinity> and it gave me a 404 object not found
[08:17] <ThreeFinity> lol
[08:17] <ThreeFinity> but the object does in fact exist...I was just reading it
[08:17] <corey> ugh
[08:18] <corey> whenever i go to connect to a server kbear crashes :(
[08:18] <ThreeFinity> well hello to you too corey
[08:18] <corey> ;P
[08:18] <ThreeFinity> kbear? isn't that a radio station in texas or something?
[08:18] <corey> idk what happened
[08:18] <corey> no its an ftp client
[08:18] <ThreeFinity> oh lol k
[08:18] <corey> i had it open then firefox locked up i had to restart
[08:19] <ThreeFinity> check the error log?
[08:19] <corey> now it crashes each time i try and connect to a server
[08:19] <Lynoure> corey: anything in .xsession-errors?
[08:19] <ThreeFinity> you restarted your comp cause firefox locked up ?
[08:19] <corey> yea it locked up the whole thing
[08:19] <corey> i couldnt open terminal or anything
[08:20] <ThreeFinity> did ya try ctrl+alt+backspace?
[08:20] <ThreeFinity> that's the kill command for X
[08:21] <ThreeFinity> if it works then it sure beats destroying your filesystem integrity
[08:21] <corey> yep
[08:21] <corey> it didnt
[08:23] <ThreeFinity> wow that sucks. def check your error logs lol
[08:23] <ThreeFinity> other then that I'm no linux guru
[08:23] <ThreeFinity> so um can't relaly help ya :/
[08:23] <ThreeFinity> really*
[08:24] <ThreeFinity> anybody know the diff between hoary and breezy?
[08:27] <I_am_Abib> so.. suppose I wanted to mount an NTFS drive just to read and share over the network..
[08:27] <I_am_Abib> any ideas?
[08:29] <ThreeFinity> is it a local drive you're trying to share with the network or a network drive you're trying to mount/read?
[08:30] <corey> gosh
[08:31] <corey> i unstainlled it and reinstalled it still crashes
[08:33] <ThreeFinity> got all your drivers updated?
[08:33] <ThreeFinity> erm nvm
[08:33] <ThreeFinity> that's a silly windows question
[08:34] <corey> ?
[08:34] <SillySquirrel> Hmmm so firefox crashes or kbear crashes?
[08:35] <Lynoure> time for my podcast walk :)
[08:35] <SillySquirrel> ?
[08:35] <Lynoure> Have fun, ppl :)
[08:35] <SillySquirrel> wtf is a podcast walk? lol
[08:35] <SillySquirrel> tc n have fun
[08:36] <Lynoure> SillySquirrel: walking the same route again and again -> boring, podcasts make it more entertaining
[08:36] <SillySquirrel> ohhhhh, ipod's can recieve streaming music wirelessly?
[08:36] <Lynoure> SillySquirrel: my 'pod' is a secondhan 256M muvo, so not much :)
[08:37] <SillySquirrel> heh I had a minidisc walkman, cops stole it when they impounded the car >_<
[08:37] <Lynoure> No, I download podcasts into it manually (or semi, ipodder is nice)
[08:37] <SillySquirrel> ah cool
[08:38] <Lynoure> But someday I'll want a ogg capable player, just last time trying to get one went badly (samsung player claimed it could, couldn't and weren't even linux friendly)
[08:39] <SillySquirrel> ouch
[08:39] <SillySquirrel> it's ok
[08:39] <SillySquirrel> the sony MD walkman I got
[08:39] <SillySquirrel> wasn't even WINDOWS friewndly
[08:39] <SillySquirrel> *-w
[08:40] <SillySquirrel> it only worked on SP1 Windows XP lol
[08:40] <SillySquirrel> tried it on SP2 and win2k and it crashed the box
[08:41] <SillySquirrel> and sony's headphones break easy
[08:41] <SillySquirrel> sony ate my cat :/
[08:41] <SillySquirrel> oh wait sorry that was a pitbull named sonny
[08:41] <SillySquirrel> lol
[08:45] <SillySquirrel> hmm hmmm hmmmm
[08:46] <SillySquirrel> can't decide...ubuntu or kubuntu :/
[08:46] <SillySquirrel> guess i'll go with good ole gnome =D since I sued KDE forever
[08:46] <SillySquirrel> used*
[08:46] <SillySquirrel> lol
[08:46] <SillySquirrel> wouldn't get muh out of suing(?) an open source nonprofit org
[08:47] <imbrandon> kubuntu rox
[08:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:48] <SillySquirrel> any diff from ubuntu ? other then KDE
[08:48] <trinidad> help
[08:48] <SillySquirrel> i'll try trinidad
[08:49] <trinidad> after installing kubuntu from base ubuntu install, i can't get the login manager to open
[08:49] <trinidad> im trying to change the look and feel of the login manager, but it doesn't run
[08:49] <trinidad> i can change the splash but not the login manager
[08:49] <trinidad> this holds true for both kde and gnome desktops
[08:50] <trinidad> the login manager link try's to start but dies before opening the window
[08:50] <SillySquirrel> check your X error logs?
[08:50] <trinidad> where is that?
[08:50] <SillySquirrel> btw does kubuntu include gnome?
[08:50] <SillySquirrel> sec
[08:50] <trinidad> don't think so
[08:50] <SillySquirrel> [10:20pm]  (Lynoure) corey: anything in .xsession-errors?
[08:51] <SillySquirrel> check there
[08:51] <SillySquirrel> lol
[08:51] <trinidad> i started with ubuntu 5.10 then installed kubuntu through synaptic
[08:51] <trinidad> brb lemme check the log
[08:52] <protocol1> imbrandon, yes indeed....i like kubuntu
[08:53] <trinidad> could not access GDM configuration file
[08:53] <trinidad> where is this file?
[08:53] <trinidad> maybe i need to sudo it
[08:53] <trinidad> brb
[08:54] <deepwoodz> my flashplayer plays videos but no sound any clue why?
[08:54] <trinidad> that didn't work
[08:54] <trinidad> any thoughts
[08:54] <trinidad> ?
[08:56] <trinidad> ok i can see the gdm.conf file
[08:56] <trinidad> any pointers to where i can change the accessibility of it
[08:56] <trinidad> ?
[09:17] <JazzeD> hi
[09:18] <JazzeD> could any one help me in the x server my administrator mode does not seem 2 work
[09:18] <JazzeD> though su works
[09:19] <JazzeD> kubuntu 5.10
[09:25] <sword-> hey guys
[09:25] <sword-> how many times do you all have stability problems w/ your system
[09:26] <sword-> i notice firefox freezes on me once in a while...just a sec ago i had to restart X because of it
[09:26] <sword-> somewhat annoying
[09:26] <fatejudger> that's because firefox is crap
[09:26] <sword-> well what browser do you use
[09:26] <sword-> please don't say mozilla
[09:30] <SillySquirrel> lol fatejudger firefox owns on windows
[09:31] <fatejudger> SillySquirrel: Kubuntu isn't Windows
[09:32] <SillySquirrel> really?wow I'm a noob been usin kubuntu all thsi time thinking it was windows
[09:32] <SillySquirrel> didn't MS make Mac OSX ?
[09:32] <fatejudger> can you spell?
[09:32] <sword> hmm x randomly rebooted
[09:32] <fatejudger> seriously, you're not funny, and you're certainly not smart
[09:33] <SillySquirrel> lol you're judging how smart I am based upon a few typo's. Now who's not smart?
[09:33] <sword> heh
[09:33] <fatejudger> sword: have you ever used Konqueror?
[09:33] <I_am_Abib> oh no efight
[09:33] <fatejudger> SillySquirrel: this discussion is absurd
[09:33] <SillySquirrel> lol
[09:34] <SillySquirrel> don't tell me...
[09:34] <sword> not much - java and flash apps fuck up in it
[09:34] <SillySquirrel> you're the one that started it fatejudger
[09:34] <fatejudger> sword: oh yeah, in what instance?
[09:34] <fatejudger> sword: flash and java work perfectly for me
[09:34] <sword> its moreso java applications, java chat apps or when i do yahoo chess or something
[09:34] <sword> could be my config
[09:35] <sword> might give it a second shot
[09:35] <fatejudger> sword: java isn't enabled by default
[09:35] <fatejudger> sword: you have to enable it, which is very simple
[09:35] <sword> yeah i know
[09:35] <fatejudger> sword: you also need to make sure that your java install is good
[09:35] <sword> i installed it from scratch (java)
[09:35] <fatejudger> sword: using the proprietary one is a good idea
[09:35] <sword> it doesnt mess up in firefox
[09:35] <fatejudger> sword: I use seveas' package
[09:35] <sword> link?
[09:36] <sword> another thing, you never get sync problems with flash apps dude?
[09:36] <sword> lke if you go to youtube
[09:36] <Broxtor> for the ones who are interested: A solution to non-working sound of a pinnacle tv card in Dapper can be found here:
[09:36] <Broxtor> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/artikel/8786/Pinnacle-PCTV-Rave-TV-Karte-ohne-Ton.html
[09:36] <I_am_Abib> :( could someone help me with mounting an ntfs drive?
[09:37] <fatejudger> !ntfs
[09:37] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:42] <stargater> hi
[09:42] <SillySquirrel> Hi :)
[09:51] <cmp> Hello
[09:53] <cmp> How can I deactivate to synchronise the clock with ntp.ubuntu... at startup? Bacause I have only a dialin modem
[09:57] <stargater> HMM can not make a update kubuntu 5.10 kde to kde 3.5.x
[09:57] <stargater> a false or interrupt server files
[09:58] <protocol1> cmp, there  should a wiki doc on doing that
[09:58] <protocol1> look in wiki
[09:58] <protocol1> there shoud be a script for that you can set
[10:01] <stargater> yes i have look
[10:01] <stargater> it not work here
[10:01] <stargater> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[10:05] <protocol1> Im using 3.4.3
[10:06] <ninHer> hi all
[10:07] <protocol1> stargater, If  I add those repositories will it up my version of kubuntu?
[10:07] <Lorenzod> Hm.. I'm experiencing semi-regular keyboard lock-ups.
[10:08] <Lorenzod> Changing IM from XIM->SCIM seems to solve the problem.
[10:08] <Lorenzod> But does anybody know how I can set SCIM to always be the default IM?
[10:10] <stargater> no
[10:11] <stargater> ahh kde 3.5.2 is aviable not the 3.5.1
[10:12] <cfraz89> hi
[10:12] <stargater> hi cfraz89
[10:13] <protocol1> stargater, why does that url that you just posted only have 3.5.1?
[10:14] <stargater> ? you mean what
[10:14] <stargater> sorry
[10:15] <protocol1> so its possible to get the latest kde to work on breezy
[10:15] <stargater>  i have add the /etc/apt/source.list
[10:16] <Lorenzod> protocol1: go to http://kubuntu.org. I think you'll find breezy packages there..
[10:16] <stargater> and apt-get update / upgrade
[10:16] <protocol1> ok cool...thanks
[10:17] <stargater> but i not sure , i must reboot to see a new kde version is running or installing
[10:17] <stargater> reboot
[10:23] <stargater> re
[10:23] <stargater> not kde 3.5
[10:23] <stargater> :(
[10:24] <stargater> anyone have update kde to a new 3.5.2 ?
[10:24] <cfraz89> i have it
[10:24] <cfraz89> in dapper
[10:24] <stargater> in 5.10
[10:24] <cfraz89> oh
[10:24] <stargater> dapper can i not install
[10:25] <stargater> the beta 1 have distroy my patitions ( oh good my files delete an i have no update ) :-)
[10:25] <ccc_> stargater: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[10:26] <stargater> beta 2 installing is hanging up to 15% the /root filepartion are false => say me the installer :(
[10:28] <stargater> ccc_:  i have this do, but not working
[10:28] <stargater> Kcontrol said me a kde 3.4.x version number
[10:29] <cfraz89> did you use the livecd installer, or standalone?
[10:29] <ccc_> then you did something wrong. it works ;)
[10:30] <stargater> cfraz89:  the livecd isntaller
[10:30] <cfraz89> that might be why
[10:30] <cfraz89> i think the standalone one works much better in partitioning
[10:30] <stargater> ccc_:  ok, but what make a wrong
[10:31] <stargater> add the wget und sudo the gpg and apt-get update / upgrade
[10:31] <cfraz89> did youadd the source?
[10:31] <stargater> sure in a /etc/apt/source.list
[10:32] <cfraz89> ok
[10:32] <stargater> 4 dep urls
[10:32] <cfraz89> if you want to go to dapper try the standalone installer
[10:33] <stargater> cfraz89:  ok, but i waiting for a finel dapper
[10:33] <DeadS0ul> hopefully they upgrade the kernel to 2.6.16 =D
[10:34] <cfraz89> ok
[10:34] <stargater> DeadS0ul:  why ? i think it whas better, kubuntu make better kernel for desktop ( farster boot, etc)
[10:35] <stargater> kde = more clearn in the app, more defoult setting(e.d shortcuts etc), better look & feel
[10:36] <stargater> gnome is realy clean but slow (i feel it) kde have more power but it is toooooo bloadet
[10:37] <stargater> my main os is ZETA (developet from BeOS) and testing HAIKU
[10:37] <stargater> this i realy speed os
[10:40] <stargater> re
[10:40] <stargater> laptop battery is over
[10:40] <stargater> anyone said ?
[10:41] <DeadS0ul> stargater: =O I dunno, i just like the lastest and greatest
[10:46] <stargater> DeadS0ul:  the lastest ?
[10:46] <DeadS0ul> yeah
[10:47] <stargater> sorry = lastest of what ?
[10:47] <DeadS0ul> kernel, libs, kde..
[10:47] <DeadS0ul> udev
[10:48] <thug> hi all
[10:49] <stargater> DeadS0ul:  ah ok
[10:49] <stargater> you mean the latest of dapper ?
[10:50] <cfraz89> lol same
[10:51] <stargater> :-)
[10:51] <cfraz89> i die of internal agony until i have latest of everything
[10:51] <stargater> so reboot and working , cu later
[10:53] <DeadS0ul> cfraz89: explains why you know xserver-xgl config haha
[10:53] <cfraz89> lol
[10:53] <cfraz89> yeah
[10:53] <cfraz89> cant wait until nvidia supports aiglx
[10:54] <Den> Hi - Can someone help me figure out how to see the videos at http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxtag.org%2F2006%2Fde%2Fhome%2Fvideo%2Fplaylists.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools, or, er, http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/home/video/playlists.html
[10:55] <Den> I'm using Kaffine, but it can't handle the playlist or fluendo.com url
[10:55] <Den> Can anyone help with that?
[10:56] <Den> ??
[10:58] <Den> Anyone here?
[10:58] <cfraz89> the first link looks broken
[10:58] <cfraz89> as in the link to the stream from first link
[10:58] <Den> cfraz89: it's supposed to be a google translate link
[10:58] <cfraz89> yeah
[10:58] <cfraz89> i think the stream is broken
[10:59] <cfraz89> http://stream.fluendo.com:8806 doesnt work
[10:59] <Den> oh.
[10:59] <cfraz89> has it started yet?
[10:59] <Den> don't know
[10:59] <cfraz89> maybe it hasnt started yet
[10:59] <protocol1> how do I check which version of kde im currently running
[10:59] <cfraz89> oh i see
[10:59] <cfraz89> 3-6 may
[11:00] <cfraz89> today is 7th
[11:00] <protocol1> via command line if possible
[11:00] <cfraz89> i think your too late
[11:00] <cfraz89> protocol1: kde-config -v
[11:00] <Den> The LinuxTag conference goes on until Saturday. Talks that take place in the main conference room can be watched online via a free Webcast (instructions in German).
[11:00] <protocol1> ok
[11:01] <cfraz89> today is sunday?
[11:01] <Den> cfraz89: Do you think it was a _live_ webcast, not a video archive of tehtalks?
[11:01] <jpatrick> cfraz89: yes
[11:01] <cfraz89> okay
[11:02] <cfraz89> thanks, im not crazy
[11:02] <cfraz89> Den, yeah, definitely live
[11:02] <protocol1> it says my version is 3.4.3
[11:02] <Den> cfraz89: thanks
[11:02] <cfraz89> np
[11:02] <protocol1> what are the steps to update to the latest?
[11:04] <protocol1> is breezy only capable of handling kde 3.4.3?
[11:05] <cfraz89> protocol1: try http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[11:05] <hastesaver> protocol1, I'm running 3.5.2
[11:07] <DeadS0ul> hey cfraz89: have you seen metamonitor?
[11:07] <n3storm> hi everyone
[11:08] <cfraz89> what is that?
[11:10] <protocol1> ok
[11:10] <protocol1> after I update my kde do I reboot my system or do I just log out and log back in?
[11:10] <DeadS0ul> restart x
[11:11] <DeadS0ul> no need to reboot all of kde
[11:11] <DeadS0ul> the whole system even
[11:11] <protocol1> ok
[11:11] <protocol1> thanks you for the help
[11:11] <protocol1> thank*
[11:11] <hastesaver> protocol1, just log out, and hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, and wait for it to come back, then log in
[11:16] <n3storm> somebody knows how may I compile a kde app so it is installed like other kde apps in kubuntu?
[11:16] <n3storm> configure --???
[11:16] <protocol1> brb need to reboot now
[11:16] <n3storm> I was told a couple of weeks ago but I didn't write it down so I forgot
[11:16] <n3storm> :(
[11:16] <cfraz89> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:16] <jpatrick> n3storm: ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:16] <n3storm> cfraz89:
[11:16] <n3storm> jpatrick: hey
[11:17] <n3storm> thanks
[11:17] <n3storm> :)
[11:17] <jpatrick> hi n3storm
[11:17] <jpatrick> n3storm: what app is it?
[11:18] <cfraz89> :)
[11:18] <cfraz89> installing kompile might help
[11:18] <cfraz89> it makes compiling perty
[11:18] <n3storm> :) Koverartist
[11:19] <cfraz89> ah
[11:19] <jpatrick> n3storm: in dapper (by me)
[11:23] <n3storm> 0.6.3?
[11:23] <n3storm> jpatrick: that's great
[11:23] <n3storm> do you like the icons?
[11:23] <n3storm> well, the icon?
[11:23] <cello_rasp> any screenshots of kde dapper yet?
[11:23] <jpatrick> n3storm: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/koverartist
[11:24] <n3storm> jpatrick: I made the icon for Stefan ;)
[11:24] <jpatrick> what there's a new version'
[11:25] <jpatrick> n3storm: will have to wait for Dapper+1
[11:25] <n3storm> :(
[11:26] <n3storm> 0.3.2 doesn't have my icon buaaa
[11:26] <n3storm> :D
[11:26] <n3storm> ok I can wait
[11:26] <jpatrick> since we're in version freeze
[11:26] <n3storm> aha
[11:27] <jpatrick> n3storm: did you simply fix the .desktop file?
[11:27] <n3storm> jpatrick: I didn't but somebody else did
[11:27] <n3storm> I made logo and icon for Koverartist
[11:29] <jpatrick> ok
[11:29] <jpatrick> n3storm: I could include them in an upload
[11:29] <jpatrick> if they're in .xpm format
[11:29] <n3storm> jpatrick: I don't know what could be the xpm for
[11:30] <jpatrick> n3storm: icon
[11:30] <thug> how will i get rid of the gnome desktop and install kde desktop ?
[11:30] <jpatrick> cello_rasp: my dapper desktop: http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot41jg.png
[11:31] <n3storm> jpatrick: but kde and gnome use png or svg...
[11:31] <jpatrick> i know
[11:31] <jpatrick> got an svg?
[11:31] <hastesaver> thug, Install the package kubuntu-desktop
[11:32] <thug> hastesaver right ... and how do i get rid of gnome ?
[11:32] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi
[11:32] <dell500> anyone here know how to get multple instances of kaffeine?
[11:32] <hastesaver> thug, let it stay there, it won't hurt
[11:32] <Sputnik8> HI!
[11:32] <jpatrick> hi freeflying
[11:33] <thug> hastesaver :)
[11:33] <freeflying> jpatrick: are u on linuxtag today?
[11:33] <jpatrick> No
[11:33] <jpatrick> too young
[11:33] <thug> hastesaver is dapper out  ?
[11:33] <jpatrick> thug: no
[11:33] <thug> ok thanks
[11:33] <hastesaver> thug, The betas are out, the actual release will be out on June  1
[11:33] <thug> thanks
[11:34] <dell500> anyone know?
[11:34] <jpatrick> freeflying: would of loved to go
[11:34] <chavo> dell500, I don't think you can
[11:35] <StarZenD> whenever i want to do an apt-get i have to first type "host archive.ubuntu.com" and "host security.ubuntu.com" or the apt-get trys to talk to <IP_ADDRESS> i think it is.
[11:35] <StarZenD> whats going wrong here?
[11:35] <n3storm> jpatrick: how may send the svg to you?
[11:35] <dell500> so cna you play 2 things at once?
[11:35] <dell500> that kinda sucks
[11:36] <jpatrick> n3storm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:36] <hastesaver> dell500, yes, you can play two things at once. Don't ask me how; I've forgotten how I did it :)
[11:37] <thug> hastesaver please have a look at my source.list and tell me if there any repos i have to desable it ... it might crash my system or something > http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/703184
[11:37] <thug> hastesaver i might run updates from a bad repos ... i heard guys saying that some repos i should just get what i want and disable it ... so no updates from it
[11:38] <hastesaver> thug, remove the last three. Too frequent updates, and unstable releases; I don't think you need them
[11:38] <thug> #opera web browser
[11:38] <thug> #OO2 final
[11:39] <thug> and #wine
[11:39] <thug> are the last three
[11:39] <hastesaver> thug, yes. I had the Wine and OO2 in my sources.list; there would be 10 MB updates every day or so!
[11:39] <protocol1> It said it setup  3.5.2  in the console....but it still says its version 3.4.3?
[11:39] <hastesaver> thug, I think you can safely leave in Opera
[11:40] <thug> ok
[11:40] <thug> so i will remove the last three i dont use opera anyway
[11:40] <jpatrick> protocol1: log out, log back in
[11:40] <thug> gope the rest of them are fine
[11:40] <thug> *hope
[11:41] <n3storm> jpatrick: sent
[11:41] <protocol1> jpatrick, i reboot after the update
[11:41] <protocol1> should I logout and back in anyways
[11:41] <hastesaver> thug, yeah, from personal experience, I think they're fine.
[11:42] <thug> hastesaver ok thanks
[11:42] <jpatrick> n3storm: geat
[11:42] <jpatrick> n3storm: wow, this is groovy
[11:43] <n3storm> hehehe, thanks
[11:43] <n3storm> is the only way I can give back to the community: nice graphics
[11:43] <jpatrick> n3storm: I can't include the .png's because they're binary
[11:43] <n3storm> well, and helping debug, testing, etc
[11:43] <jpatrick> but I'll try the .svg
[11:44] <n3storm> jpatrick: aha
[11:44] <n3storm> ok
[11:46] <jpatrick> n3storm: it should go into /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps right?
[11:46] <n3storm> jpatrick: wait, I'll tell you
[11:49] <n3storm> jpatrick: I'm not sure
[11:49] <n3storm> will the desktop pick it from there by default?
[11:50] <jpatrick> i think so
[11:53] <jpatrick> n3storm: building now
[11:54] <n3storm> ok
[11:57] <thug> hastesaver after installing kubuntu-desktop will my machine boot into kde deskop after ?
[11:58] <thug> or do i need to set kdm as default desktop manager ?
[12:43] <_Steven> does kde 3.5.2 have a different version kopete than kde 3.5.1
[12:43] <Sputnik8> yes
[12:43] <Sputnik8> There are some bugfixes I think...
[12:44] <Sputnik8> @_Steven why?
[12:45] <protocol1> is there a way to fix the jittery playback from my builtin mplayer on my ff1.5?
[12:49] <hastesaver> protocol1, does the normal mplayer (not from within firefox) work fine?
[12:49] <protocol1> yeah
[12:50] <protocol1> hastesaver, theres  got to be a fix for this some way
[12:50] <hastesaver> protocol1, by "within firefox", you mean the mplayerplug-in, right? (Or mozilla-mplayer, whatever it is called)
[12:51] <protocol1> yes
[12:51] <protocol1> correct
[12:51] <hastesaver> protocol1, look at ~/.mplayer/config, and ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf
[12:51] <hastesaver> protocol1, they use different config files, so maybe they are using differnent -ao or something
[12:52] <hastesaver> protocol1, can you paste the two files into pastebin? Maybe someone can look at them and see what's wrong
[12:52] <protocol1> ok
[12:52] <protocol1> i should look  in wiki  too
[12:53] <protocol1> Im sure that would be very helpful
[12:53] <hastesaver> protocol1, yeah, but if mplayer is already working, then it shouldn't be hard to simply make the plugin use the same configs
[12:53] <hastesaver> protocol1, paste the two files, let us see
[12:54] <_Steven> Sputnik8: long story, sorry I have to go
[12:54] <Sputnik8> Ciao!
[12:54] <protocol1> how do I go about doing that?
[12:54] <hastesaver> !pastebin
[12:54] <ubotu> [pastebin]  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[12:55] <thug> hi all
[12:56] <thug> how do i get th tree view in konqueror ?
[12:56] <jpatrick> view -> view mode -> tree
[12:56] <thug> i would like to view the folders on the left side panel ... like it was before ...
[12:56] <jpatrick> F9
[12:56] <protocol1> hastesaver let me get that together than pasted
[12:57] <thug> yeah nice one
[12:58] <thug> jpatrick and how do i get the other little panel .witch allows me to make the icons bigger or smaller and view ..detail .. icons .. list ..
[12:58] <jpatrick> what?
[12:59] <Sputnik8> I think also in view...
[01:00] <Allz|away> hello
[01:00] <Allz|away> someone here
[01:00] <Allz|away> please :)
[01:00] <thug> jpatrick hold on i will find a picture for you
[01:01] <Allz|away> is ther a softwer that can -split C: disk to 2 i am gonna install kubuntu
[01:01] <Allz|away> and i want to keep windows
[01:02] <kmon> Allz|away: try the gparted live cd
[01:02] <thug> jpatrick have a look here please http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Graphics/KDE-Konqueror-file-manager_2-tabs_578x423.jpg
[01:02] <jpatrick> going
[01:02] <kmon> Allz|away: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:03] <thug> jpatrick how do i get the same as it shows there
[01:03] <hastesaver> Allz|away, There were disk management tools within Windows XP/2000 that could do it :)
[01:03] <thug> http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Graphics/KDE-Konqueror-file-manager_2-tabs_578x423.jpg
[01:03] <Allz|away> THANKS
[01:03] <thug> jpatrick please have a look
[01:03] <Allz|away> you are the bet man
[01:03] <Allz|away> :)
[01:03] <Allz|away> best*
[01:03] <jpatrick> thug: in view -> view mode
[01:04] <thug> jpatrick no ... see al them little icons on the top ? how do i get them ?
[01:04] <thug> the zoom in zoom out icons ...
[01:04] <thug> etc
[01:05] <protocol1> hastesaver, I only found ~/.mplayer/config
[01:05] <hastesaver> BTW, is there a way to remove konqueror?
[01:05] <hastesaver> protocol1, ok, paste it
[01:05] <thug> jpatrick found it ... thats the main toolbar
[01:05] <protocol1> no..  ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf
[01:05] <jpatrick> thug: right click on a toolbar -> configure toolbar
[01:05] <protocol1> ok
[01:05] <jpatrick> hastesaver: break your kde doing that
[01:06] <hastesaver> jpatrick, Why does kde need konqueror? I never use konqueror... :(
[01:06] <jpatrick> for the desktop I think
[01:06] <kmon> hastesaver: konqueror is more than the kde browser
[01:06] <jpatrick> and konq rocks
[01:06] <kmon> it's the filemanager as well
 it is for linux the linki you send me
[01:07] <hastesaver> I don't use a filemanager, I only use "ls/cp/mv..." :)
[01:07] <kmon> Allz|away: it's a live cd
[01:07] <Allz|away> wtf
[01:08] <Allz|away> so i have to burn it
[01:08] <Allz|away> ;S?
[01:08] <kmon> Allz|away: you boot from that cd, and then you can resize the partition from the live cd enviroment
[01:08] <kmon> Allz|away: yes
[01:08] <hastesaver> Allz|away, what version of Windows are you using? If it's later than 2000, you can free up space from Windows itself
[01:08] <Allz|away> Xp
[01:08] <Allz|away> windows xp
[01:08] <kmon> Allz|away: be sure to backup first anything important
[01:09] <hastesaver> Allz|away, then it's there in some system tools or something. Disk Administration, I think it's called. Sorry, it was a loooong time ago that I used Windows :)
[01:09] <Allz|away> kmon is ther a better sofware
[01:09] <Allz|away> ;)
[01:09] <protocol1> hastesaver, i pasted it
[01:09] <kmon> gparted can resize ntfs
[01:09] <protocol1> its actually one files
[01:10] <protocol1> file*
[01:10] <kmon> which is what the live cd uses
[01:10] <thug> how do i get a line separator between search button and location bar ?
[01:10] <Allz|away> can i just use a p2p to get it then crazk it :P
[01:11] <protocol1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13565
[01:11] <jpatrick> thug: add a line seperator
[01:11] <hastesaver> protocol1, oh lol, it's empty
[01:11] <protocol1> hmmm
[01:11] <kmon> Allz|away: I don't recommend using any warez software when gparted does the job
[01:12] <kmon> anyway...
[01:12] <thug> jpatrick i would like to have the main toolbar on the same line with the back .. home refresh bottons .. and the location bar right under them ...
[01:12] <hastesaver> protocol1, then the only thing I can suggest is to try fiddling with the ao options in mplayerplug-in, and find one that works
[01:12] <thug> jpatrick as it shows here http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Graphics/KDE-Konqueror-file-manager_2-tabs_578x423.jpg
[01:12] <jpatrick> move them around
[01:12] <hastesaver> protocol1, try "arts","alsa", "oss", and "esd"
[01:12] <thug> jpatrick no clue where exactly to add the line separator :)
[01:12] <hastesaver> protocol1, in that order. Find which one works best :)
[01:12] <jpatrick> thug: configure toolbars
[01:13] <thug> jpatrick i know that bit ... i just down know where to drap the line separator ;)
[01:13] <protocol1> the mplayerplug-in can be found where exactly now?
[01:14] <Allz|away> my prblem is i dont have and cd
[01:14] <Allz|away> :<
[01:14] <jpatrick> thug: at the end of the bar?
[01:14] <Allz|away> to burn this geek :)
[01:14] <protocol1> has to be in the browsers  folder somewhere correct?
[01:14] <hastesaver> protocol1, go to a site that has the music or whatever, then right-click on the plugin when it starts playing
[01:14] <thug> jpatrick it doesnt work
[01:15] <protocol1> got ya
[01:15] <jpatrick> thug: sorry
[01:16] <Allz|away> kmon PartitionMagic is the best right?
[01:16] <kmon> Allz|away: don't know
[01:16] <kmon> haven't used that
[01:16] <Allz|away> i have one cd
[01:17] <Allz|away> but it wont burn any thing
[01:17] <hastesaver> Allz|away, IMHO, the default thing on Windows is simple and good enough
[01:17] <Allz|away> ha?
[01:18] <Allz|away> imho
[01:18] <thug> jpatrick is there anyway to make navigation panel to stay open all the time .. even when i close konqueror ?
[01:19] <jpatrick> err
[01:20] <Allz|away> ppl is ther a way to delete from cs
[01:20] <Allz|away> and burn a new one on the cd
[01:21] <Allz|away> ?
[01:23] <Thug-N-Me> how do i get the KDE default layout ?
[01:24] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[01:25] <Thug-N-Me> rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror': No such file or directory
[01:25] <Thug-N-Me> heh
[01:25] <ninHer> hi all
[02:01] <OdyX> Hey
[02:01] <OdyX> Somebody here registered Mark's speech in LinuxTag ?
[02:08] <jpatrick> OdyX: wait for announce
[02:09] <OdyX> jpatrick: well...  It provides a GUI panel and a KConfig module. It has it's own plugin system that supports on demand loadable actions.
[02:18] <DeBert> jpatrick: Ah, and what does SCIM do? :)
[02:18] <jpatrick> it's the thing that skim's the frontend for
[02:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> well if there are no apps actually doing anything with dpkg lock maybe it's just time to rm it?
[02:19] <DeBert> jpatrick: thx, that helped a lot :)
[02:19] <imbrandon> DeBert:  It has it's own plugin system that supports on demand loadable actions.
[02:19] <jpatrick> DeBert: Smart Common Input Method (SCIM) is an input method (IM) platform
[02:21] <imbrandon> anyone else tried the Ahead NeroLINUX beta ? man its lightyears beind k3b and dosent even have the features of nero of windows flavor, in other words if you have not tried it DONT its a waste of time
[02:21] <darkmana> lol... nero in linux...
[02:22] <imbrandon> heh about the only thing they have in common is the icon ( the windows flavor and the linux one )
[02:22] <kosh> I have tried it, I like k3b far more
[02:22] <imbrandon> yea
[02:22] <kosh> k3b intergrates with all of my stuff
[02:22] <kosh> and I have not had a bad burn on k3b in years
[02:22] <imbrandon> well i thought "hey an easy way to do my dvd's" lol WRONG
[02:22] <OdyX> k3b just works for everything I want..
[02:22] <kosh> and it has worked for all the stuff I have done
[02:23] <DeBert> Is k3b gonna support lightscribe/labelflash in the future?
[02:23] <kosh> what do you mean do your dvds?
[02:23] <imbrandon> yup yup just thought i would give the new kid on the block a try but it SUX
[02:23] <DeBert> i just bought a fancy DVD-burner that supports labelflash
[02:23] <kosh> no idea about that, never used it and know nothing about it
[02:23] <kosh> the burner I plan to get is a nice SATA plextor model
[02:24] <imbrandon> kosh , handeling the encoding from xvid to VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS and also the lightscribe features
[02:24] <DeBert> i recently bought a NEC ND-4571
[02:24] <imbrandon> i can do it all now just cmd line etc etc etc
[02:24] <kosh> ah mostly I just burn cds and I will be going to a dvd burner just for more space
[02:24] <imbrandon> and nero for windows does it all with "one click"
[02:24] <kosh> we make backups of customer databases on them
[02:25] <OdyX> I thinks LightScribe/Labelflash are probably proprietary, huh ?
[02:25] <imbrandon> yea , i use my dvd burner to burn movies mostly ;)
[02:25] <kosh> that is just not something I have ever done with a burner, I am sure some people do have a use for that feature but I can't see it
[02:25] <imbrandon> lightscribe is not labelflash is
[02:25] <kosh> the movies I have I just buy
[02:25] <kosh> I have downloaded a movie or two over the internet and the quality is crap, I would rather pay full price
[02:26] <imbrandon> ls is a standard labelflash is nec only
[02:26] <OdyX> does anybody know a GOOD program to make Ogg/theora videos from DVD ?
[02:26] <DeBert> kosh: than you don't know where to look
[02:26] <imbrandon> OdyX: mplayer ?
[02:26] <OdyX> imbrandon: mplayer '??????
[02:26] <imbrandon> DeBert: yea your grabbing the wrong movies on the net ;)
[02:26] <OdyX> imbrandon: means ?
[02:26] <kosh> DeBert: how many movies encode and keep the full 5.1 or 6.1 audio tracks?
[02:26] <imbrandon> OdyX: mplayer will make ood movies form dvd
[02:26] <imbrandon> oog
[02:26] <imbrandon> ogg
[02:26] <imbrandon> grrrr
[02:27] <OdyX> imbrandon: ogg probably.. but theora ???
[02:27] <DeBert> kosh: you can download the full DVDr's, or high quality Xvid's
[02:27] <imbrandon> with the right plugin it should
[02:27] <kosh> ogg is a container, theora is the video, vorbis is the audio
[02:27] <OdyX> imbrandon: I'm looking. Thanks.
[02:27] <OdyX> kosh: yep
[02:27] <kosh> I would rather just pay for the movies
[02:27] <kosh> either they are worth it to pay for or you just don't get them
[02:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:27] <OdyX> kosh: impressive how people mix Ogg and Vorbis, no ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> er...hi Ubugtu - lots of different nicks?
[02:28] <Ubugtu> Hobbsee, hehe
[02:28] <kosh> getting them illegally is just wrong
[02:28] <imbrandon> morning Hobbsee
[02:28] <Ubugtu> I am working on the bot
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[02:28] <DeBert> kosh: nowadays i buy when i like the material, i first download it, try it and than decide. With games/movies/music/whatever
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Ubugtu: so i eventually saw, wiht the quit message.  have you killed it yet, and does this involve working on a flood control?
[02:28] <kosh> I just rent them first
[02:29] <Ubugtu> Hobbsee, yes and no
[02:29] <kosh> however just about every game I play you will NEVER find a version of it for free download that you can try unless it is offered by the company that makes the game
[02:29] <DeBert> kosh: over here in holland they dare to ask 20euro for a CD, that's just criminal
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Ubugtu: heh
[02:29] <imbrandon> <-- rents , rips , burns ( only downloads the ones impossible to rent )
[02:29] <Ubugtu> it involves an upgrade to supybot 0.83
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[02:30] <kosh> DeBert: then don't buy the cd and don't download it either, the price will have to come down or the music will stop being made
[02:30] <remnon> does anyone here own a ATI Radeon 9200 ?
[02:30] <kosh> I have one in this box right now
[02:30] <DeBert> kosh: they haven't come down in 25 years, since CD's where first introduced
[02:30] <remnon> kosh, did you have any problems getting the 3d accel. installed in KDE ?
[02:31] <kosh> remnon: I can't use 3d accel, I have two video cards and only one of them is the 9200
[02:31] <remnon> ah..
[02:31] <kosh> remnon: the ati driver does not work across two different models of radeon cards to do 3d accel across 4 monitors
[02:31] <remnon> hmm.. i've got 2 monitors (one 22" crt and a tv)
[02:32] <remnon> and i can only get it to work on one at a time
[02:32] <kosh> ah I have 4 regular monitors
[02:32] <remnon> hmm.. guess i won't be playing anything with this config then :(
[02:32] <remnon> oh well.. heh, minor setback ^^
[02:33] <remnon> i can always boot my gaming rig up.. hehe
[02:33] <kosh> there probably is a way to do it, I just don't know what it is
[02:33] <remnon> heh, same here..
[02:33] <remnon> i switched to KDE from GNOME not long ago..
[02:33] <remnon> can't really get heads or tails of this thing yet
[02:33] <kosh> well my next cards will be nvidia
[02:33] <kosh> accelerated graphics has nothing to do with kde or gnome
[02:33] <DeBert> Anybody got an idea when Kopete with Gtalk's VOIP support will apeare in Kubuntu?
[02:34] <kosh> it is an Xorg thing and both run on top of Xorg
[02:34] <remnon> aye, kosh, i know but the whole thing is so much different
[02:34] <kosh> yup extremely
[02:34] <remnon> as in the functionality
[02:34] <kosh> I have tried to use gnome but got very frustrated with it
[02:34] <kosh> quad monitor setups and gnome just don't seem to get along at all
[02:34] <remnon> heh.. i used it for about a year
[02:35] <kosh> the interface just does not customize very well
[02:35] <remnon> i liked the simple usage..
[02:35] <remnon> and that's about it
[02:35] <kosh> I used kde since it started but I liked gnome back when sawfish was the window manager
[02:35] <remnon> you can't really customize it too much
[02:35] <remnon> ah
[02:35] <kosh> however the regular setup does not work with more then one monitor very well
[02:35] <kosh> kde is flexible enough I can customize it to what I need
[02:36] <darkmana> gah... i tried a reboot thinking maybe something might change... i was wrong
[02:37] <imbrandon> just becouse i like the power of linux dosent mean i dont like the way windows looks ;)
[02:37] <remnon> lol
[02:37] <kosh> ah mine does not look remotely like windows
[02:37] <kosh> have you tried to use windows on a multimonitor system? it is even worse then gnome is
[02:37] <remnon> haha
[02:37] <remnon> aye
[02:37] <remnon> it's a nightmare
[02:37] <imbrandon> hah
[02:37] <nox-Hand> Hey
[02:38] <darkmana> im just not impressed with the visual style windows tries to use... even vista is ugly imo
[02:38] <nox-Hand> I need OpenGL on my Nvidia Geforce FX5200.. Which way should I get that in my Kubuntu?
[02:38] <remnon> but you know, there's a very poignant saying "any machine works untill you install something done by microsoft"
[02:38] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk
[02:38] <remnon> (poor wording aside, i think i got the point across)
[02:39] <imbrandon> kosh: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/snapshot1.png
[02:40] <remnon> ince
[02:40] <imbrandon> kde 3.5.2 ;)
[02:40] <remnon> nice *
[02:40] <remnon> same here
[02:41] <remnon> hmm.. i've got a screen somewhere too :p
[02:41] <remnon> nope
[02:41] <remnon> i'll upload it :p
[02:41] <imbrandon> <printscreen key> hehehe
[02:42] <nox-Hand> imbrandon: The hell is up with your XP look?!
[02:42] <imbrandon> [07:36]  * imbrandon makes it a point to make his kde look and feel like windows
[02:42] <imbrandon> [07:36]  --> thedowd has joined this channel (n=thedowd@ppp-70-243-189-248.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net).
[02:42] <imbrandon> [07:37]  <imbrandon> just becouse i like the power of linux dosent mean i dont like the way windows looks ;)
[02:42] <kosh> so what do you guys think of mine?
[02:42] <nox-Hand> http://www.sector-42.frih.net/docs/screenshots/screenshot2.png <- That's how Linux should look :D
[02:42] <nox-Hand> imbrandon: Bah.
[02:42] <kosh> you might have to scroll quite a ways to see it all
[02:42] <kosh> why would you use IE in linux?
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> no kidding, that's like painting a corvette brown and sticking peanuts and corn to it.
[02:43] <nox-Hand> kosh: Agreed, never use IE:D
[02:43] <imbrandon> he ist for lib compat in wine
[02:43] <imbrandon> its
[02:43] <imbrandon> other programs installed ( under wine req ie 6 + ) like quickbooks and other shit i dev on
[02:44] <kosh> I am happier I dev with zope :)
[02:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:44] <imbrandon> plus its good to see how broken my sites are in IE
[02:44] <nox-Hand> Anywho, I gotta go, bbl.
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> here's a screeny of linux showing off, albeit a kind of old one. http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot2.png
[02:45] <darkmana> mmmm emu
[02:45] <imbrandon> heh nice yea i got a system 7.5.3 install on basilsik somewhere arround here
[02:45] <imbrandon> heh
[02:46] <imbrandon> and mac osx in pearpc ( real osx not the tiger-osx.bz thing )
[02:46] <kosh> I find it interesting that most peoples screen shots show some kind of desktop background
[02:46] <imbrandon> and a few other os's i goof with
[02:46] <kosh> my desktop bakcground is just flat black and I have not seen it in many months
[02:46] <cfraz89> lol
[02:46] <kosh> I have apps covering up everything
[02:46] <remnon> lol
[02:46] <imbrandon> heh
[02:46] <remnon> nice one
[02:46] <kosh> if I had extra space I would have more apps showing
[02:47] <cfraz89> mine has karambas
[02:47] <kosh> what is the point of showing some background when I could show more columns and rows of code
[02:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:48] <jpatrick> OdyX: there's some stuff on kubuntu.de
[02:50] <imbrandon> nice jpatrick
[02:52] <darkmana> welp, just found out what it was... dpkg was killed or something so it was whining and i had to do a "--configure -a"
[02:53] <jpatrick> darkmana: aha
[02:54] <darkmana> now if i could only fix the stupid sound lag...
[02:54] <Thug-N-Me> How to allow root user to login into KDE ?
[02:55] <steveire> I can play wma with kaffeine but not with azeureus. Is that normal?
[02:55] <steveire> Thug-N-Me: You can't =, i understand
[02:56] <steveire> just use sudo in a terminal
[02:56] <Thug-N-Me> steveire ?
[02:56] <Thug-N-Me> steveire no man ... the problem is that i dont have write permission to my mounted hdd
[02:56] <steveire> Log in as system user, and user sudo in the terminal
[02:57] <steveire> in media, ls -l
[02:58] <Thug-N-Me> yeah so what ?
[02:58] <steveire> then chmod as you need to
[02:58] <Thug-N-Me> its owned by root
[02:58] <steveire> chown $user:$user
[02:58] <steveire> sorry
[02:58] <steveire> chown $user:$user <dirname>
[02:58] <Thug-N-Me> R user:user
[02:58] <Thug-N-Me> ok
[02:59] <Thug-N-Me> what about moving the contend of /usr/local/lib/codec/all-20050412 into /usr/local/lib/codec ?
[03:00] <remnon> damnit ! my KBear crashes every time i try to copy the file into my ftp O_o
[03:00] <jpatrick> guten tag Zerlinna
[03:01] <Zerlinna> hi jpatrick :-)
[03:02] <DeadS0ul> anyone here good at web design? I need help with css and javascript =\
[03:02] <imbrandon> anyone know of a streight forward , plain english , type howto for setting up a linux terminal server ( ltsp ) on (k)ubuntu ?
[03:04] <jpatrick> !lamp
[03:04] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:04] <jpatrick> imbrandon: ^ ?
[03:05] <imbrandon> nah ltsp not lamp ( ie thin client serving )
[03:05] <imbrandon> ltsp.org
[03:06] <imbrandon> tried to set it up a few times and ubuntu dapper has the packages , just getting it all working is a diffrent story ;)
[03:08] <Thug-N-Me> since i installed kubuntu-desktop mozilla-firefox  its crashing 24/7
[03:08] <kosh> too bad that setup has neither security or data integrity as a priority :)
[03:08] <imbrandon> hmm i use firfox in kubuntu 24/7 with no problems
[03:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:10] <imbrandon> lamp is nice i do php every day on my dapper server
[03:10] <jpatrick> imbrandon: I'm making my own server right now
[03:10] <imbrandon> hell i even have qt/kde apps i throw togather real fast in php ;)
[03:10] <kosh> lamp is a pos
[03:10] <kosh> it just happens that a lot of people don't know any better
[03:11] <imbrandon> jpatrick: have you looked at the howto on howto forge, its ALOT more secure than the lamp howto
[03:11] <imbrandon> one sec i'll grab a link
[03:11] <kosh> php is a great way to create security problem and mysql is well ... well someday it may become a database
[03:11] <imbrandon> kosh: depends on your setup , i've been using php/mysql on production and secured servers for years
[03:12] <kosh> the mysql part does not depend on the setup at all
[03:12] <imbrandon> its just like saying windows is insecure, yes it IS insecure out of the box but you can lock it down ;)
[03:12] <kosh> mysql lacks fundamental database features, like inserting the data that you told it to insert
[03:12] <v3ctor> many large organizations are starting to use lamp
[03:12] <kosh> it will silently auto convert or throw away data
[03:12] <kosh> v3ctor: lots of large organizations use a lot of stuff that does not work that well
[03:13] <patrick_> hmm, router died
[03:13] <v3ctor> and the latest version has most of the fudamental features that are required
[03:13] <kosh> v3ctor: I have seen large places use access to store a lot of their customer information, it works pretty abysmally and causes a lot of problems but that does not change them using it
[03:13] <imbrandon> kosh: maybe if you are doing in in unconventional ways i've never run accross that problem and have some mysql dbs at many GB in size
[03:13] <kosh> imbrandon: insert something like Feb 31 into mysql and see what happens
[03:13] <v3ctor> kosh: that is a configyration problem
[03:14] <kosh> how is that a configuration problem?
[03:14] <v3ctor> it out performs informix and db2 in our environment
[03:14] <imbrandon> kosh: i do every day, but your code should check for errors ( ie feb 31 ) before inserting it anyhow , thats not the db's job ;)
[03:14] <kosh> that is the dbs job absolutely
[03:14] <kosh> as are things like referential integrity
[03:14] <kosh> and foreign key constraints
[03:15] <kosh> if a  value is not allowed then the db should not store it
[03:15] <imbrandon> it will hold the data ( esp if i put it in a varchar 255 field, now if that data is "wrong" is not the db's problem
[03:15] <kosh> if a columns is defined to store dates then it darn well better not store anything that is not a date
[03:15] <imbrandon> it does kosh, it will throw a warning
[03:15] <imbrandon> if you put feb 31 in a date field
[03:16] <imbrandon> no doubt
[03:16] <imbrandon> but not in a varchar field etc
[03:16] <imbrandon> and the db shouldent care then, etc, thats like sayign becouse i dident escape my chars before i send the data to the db it shouldent act weird,
[03:17] <reon> Where can I find Downloader for X, using Dapper. Could have sworn it was in the repos before ?
[03:17] <reon> Unless someone can recommend a good KDE download manager ?
[03:17] <imbrandon> the database is not an replacemtn for good code ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> reon: prozilla is very good, but you have to compile it
[03:17] <Hobbsee> !prozilla
[03:17] <ubotu> somebody said prozilla was a download accelerator for linux.  It is available at http://prozilla.genesys.ro/
[03:18] <Hobbsee> otherwise, kget is a decent download manager - but not multithread
[03:18] <reon> Hobbsee, i'd prefer something in the repos
[03:18] <imbrandon> jpatrick:  check out http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10 ignor that its for breezy it works perfect on dapper too, great howto for a server
[03:18] <kosh> last I checked there is no warning with a db, it commits or it does not, if it does not commit it can hand an error back, if it does commit then the data you wrote is there
[03:19] <kosh> if mysql commits and then hands back a warning saying that some of the data was bad that is horrible behavior
[03:19] <kosh> I have just had a clean up a project that has exactly those issues
[03:19] <kosh> most database imports have taken us a few hours to setup at most, this last one took about two weeks becuse of the crap quality of the data
[03:19] <jpatrick> imbrandon: great, thanks
[03:21] <imbrandon> point is kosh you cant blame the db for bad data or bad code, the code should check the data integrity it is trying to insert peroid
[03:21] <kosh> I can blame the db
[03:21] <kosh> if you have something defined as a date field and you can insert a non existant date then the db is broken
[03:21] <kosh> oracle, db2, mssql, postgres etc will all handle that correctly
[03:22] <imbrandon> so not accepting the date of feb 31 is broken ?
[03:22] <imbrandon> it SHOULD throw an error
[03:22] <kosh> accepting it is broken
[03:22] <kosh> it should not commit the transaction and that was not the behavior I have seen with mysql
[03:22] <imbrandon> uhhh yea no one said mysql would accept that in a DTE field
[03:23] <imbrandon> then your mysql was severly hacked inhouse and broken, becouse mysql has never done that as many years as i have seen it in production use
[03:24] <kosh> http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html#1_14
[03:24] <kosh> I just did a standard mysql intall when I last tested that
[03:25] <imbrandon> the look quite old, like + years
[03:25] <imbrandon> 3+
[03:25] <imbrandon> and an old version of mysql 4.1
[03:29] <kosh> well the latest verison of mysql is 4.1 in kubuntu it looks like, so are you saying that if I try it right now I will not do that?
[03:30] <imbrandon> mysql is on version 5+ so i have no idea whats in breezy/dapper secure == compiled ;)
[03:31] <jpatrick> imbrandon: I have LAMP up and running, just have to get http://jpatrick.no-ip.org/ to work
[03:31] <imbrandon> kosh , i got to run , but i'll be back on in about 2 hours if you wish to continue ( or email me www.imbrandon,com )
[03:32] <imbrandon> jpatrick:  nice ;)
[03:32] <kosh> ah I found a 5.0 server version, so if I try that it will throw an error correctly?
[03:32] <imbrandon> i have http://imbrandon.sytes.net and http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net running on my local ubuntu server with lamp
[03:32] <jpatrick> maybe Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName, is the problem
[03:32] <imbrandon> kosh should
[03:33] <munzir> Hi, kde-based applications like konqueror and kwrite break any arabic writting. The text is no longer connected/shaped. what's wrong please? is it a bug on kde or kubuntu?!
[03:33] <kosh> sorry no idea on that one
[03:33] <imbrandon> jpatrick: cool i'll help you config some cool stuff if you want when i get back ( about 2 hours )
[03:34] <jpatrick> ok
[03:34] <jpatrick> I'll just poke this until then
[03:35] <_vicky> ..
[03:36] <eqisow> morning all
[03:37] <jpatrick> morning
[03:38] <Thug-N-Me> ubuntu + kde = shity system
[03:38] <Thug-N-Me> i just finish with kubundu-desktop for the 2nd time and firefox and all other application are crushing a lot
[03:39] <munzir> On another system with same version I notice one font "DejaVu Sans" works but other fonts not!
[03:40] <eqisow> munzir, I don't quite follow. Could you be more specific?
[03:41] <pedro> Hello everyone again
[03:42] <eqisow> howdy pedro
[03:42] <pedro> I am going crazy with my printer
[03:42] <munzir> eqisow: ok I have an amd64 system with kubuntu. I installed a 23-bit dapper in a chroot in the same system. If I lauch kwrite in the 64-bit environemnt and wrote arabic text with all the fonts on the system, the letters are broken. If I changed the font to dejavu sans the letters are ok. If I did dchroot -d kwrite and typed arabic, the letters are broken whatver the font choosen is
[03:42] <eqisow> and why is that?
[03:42] <munzir> eqisow: why what?
[03:42] <pedro> I don't want to give up
[03:43] <eqisow> why what was directed at pedro, sorry
[03:43] <pedro> I have an HP PSC 1315 All-in-One in Kubuntu Breezy;
[03:43] <eqisow> ooooh, I rem you!
[03:44] <pedro> Firstly I couldn't print but I installed hpoj and hpijs and add the printer and it worked but it printed very slowly -about 10 minutes for one page-
[03:44] <eqisow> munzir, I'm afraid I don't have any experience with chrooted systems :/
[03:44] <eqisow> right, that's where you were yesterday
[03:45] <pedro> Then I probed with hplip installing with >aptitude< but there were no luck
[03:45] <pedro> no device found
[03:45] <munzir> eqisow: it's not related to chrooted systems actually. in the normal system I almost face the same problem
[03:45] <pedro> now I cannot print anyway
[03:45] <pedro> any help please?
[03:47] <jpatrick> woohoo!
[03:48] <v3ctor> who do i complain to about the livecd installer
[03:48] <eqisow> http://jpoa.ecwhost.com/?page_id=26
[03:48] <eqisow> that howto looks promising to me, pedro
[03:49] <pedro> I am going to see it
[03:49] <pedro> I have readed many howto and there is no way
[03:50] <eqisow> I'm sure you have :/
[03:51] <eqisow> v3ctor, you could file a bug report here:
[03:51] <eqisow> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[03:51] <v3ctor> ty
[03:51] <eqisow> yw
[03:52] <Nirvana> hey all, anyone know why when I boot ub Kubuntu, it immediately goes into hibernation? But  when I close the lid and the setting is on hibernation, it shuts down? I get an atixp: codec reset timed out error
[03:53] <tsdgeos> Nirvana: laptop?
[03:54] <Nirvana> yes
[03:54] <eqisow> nah, he closes the lid on his desktop ;)
[03:54] <Nirvana> yeah I usually put the screen through the desk
[03:55] <tsdgeos> Nirvana: mayeb some battery detection thing
[03:55] <tsdgeos> and he things you are running out of battery and that's why it quickly goes to hibernate
[03:55] <jpatrick> hi Nirvana
[03:55] <Pher> what laptop is it?
[03:55] <Nirvana> toshina m70 sr2
[03:56] <Nirvana> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.costco.ca%2Fen-CA%2FBrowse%2FProductgroup.aspx%3Fprodid%3D10288715%26whse%3D%26topnav%3D%26cat%3D1675%26hierPath%3D84*1675*&ei=aPxdRLL8EIOg-gGPlbHsAQ&sig2=npzGs2Rb5G41gyRBhWr1EA
[03:56] <Pher> since older laptops have issues with ACPI and their bios was written to work with windoes better
[03:56] <Nirvana> it's failry new, I got it 2 months ago, but I guess it's old tech?
[03:57] <Nirvana> I have a 6 y/o laptop that runs hibernation/standby/suspend perfectly
[03:57] <TheUni> is there a way to specify an external browser in Evolution? I want it to use firefox, but i dont see an option.
[03:57] <Nirvana> TheUni: is Firefox your DEFAULT browser?
[03:58] <Pher> Nirvana: I dunno then
[03:58] <TheUni> Nirvana: think so.
[03:58] <TheUni> how do i check?
[03:59] <eqisow> go to system settings and then to KDE components
[03:59] <TheUni> ah, nm
[03:59] <TheUni> yea. found it.
[03:59] <TheUni> thanks... was wrong.
[04:00] <Nirvana> no prob
[04:01] <Nirvana> I was finding out where that thing was anyhow :P
[04:03] <eqisow> Nirvana, I'm not sure how to fix your laptop issue, but it would be helpful to add your model to the wiki, since it's not there
[04:03] <eqisow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsToshiba
[04:03] <steveire> I can play wma with kaffeine but not with azeureus. Is that normal?
[04:04] <eqisow> azureus plays video? oO
[04:04] <steveire> eh?
[04:04] <steveire> no wma. audio
[04:04] <eqisow> err, audio. whatever
[04:04] <eqisow> but azureus is a BT client. is it an extension?
[04:05] <steveire> sorry. I meant AmaroK
[04:05] <eqisow> lol, ahh. gotcha
[04:05] <eulchen> ;)
[04:05] <eulchen> you just have to find the right engine using amarok
[04:06] <eqisow> indeed
[04:06] <eulchen> play a bit with settings when kaffeine works codecs are in your system
[04:07] <eqisow> try changing your engine to xine or gstreamer
[04:07] <steveire> I think I have both
[04:07] <Nirvana> anyone know any good Java tuts?
[04:08] <eqisow> right, and you should be able to chance which one amaroK uses in the amarok config
[04:08] <eqisow> change*
[04:10] <danst> hi, i just realized that my spellchecker in kile is not working. it seems to  be necessary to have a "spell checking"-entry in systemsettings -> components... but there is non for me... how do i get this?
[04:12] <eqisow> run kcontrol in a terminal
[04:12] <eqisow> it will be in the KDE components submenu
[04:13] <danst> ok thanks a lot, why is it only there?
[04:13] <eqisow> that's the kde control app, where system settings is the Kubuntu one
[04:13] <eqisow> it's a it messy tbh
[04:13] <eqisow> bit*
[04:14] <danst> ahhh oook
[04:14] <danst> thanks a lot!
[04:14] <eqisow> but you can add the kcontrol entry to your Kmenu though the panel settings
[04:14] <eqisow> np :)
[04:14] <eqisow> COnfig Panel --> Menus, check "Settings"
[04:15] <reon> eqisow, what is the default location for kcontrol in the menu ? I have mine under settings
[04:15] <eqisow> I believe that is the default, it's not editable like other menu entries :/
[04:16] <eqisow> I usually move my system settings icon to the system folder to avoid it looking messy (ie, two settings icons)
[04:17] <reon> I also have search 7 indexing under settings which I think is from Kerry
[04:17] <Nirvana> is there a deskbar equiv. to GNOMES deskbar? That is the most innovative thing I have ever seen!
[04:17] <eqisow> deskbar?  I think I might learn how to write a kuramba theme, and then make one with search like that
[04:22] <Nirvana> but I'm no dev
[04:23] <bipolar> I find myself really wishing that kopete had a sip phone plugin.
[04:23] <eqisow> lol, I dunno. It's one of those things that has wow factor, but in all reality I don't see myself using
[04:24] <eqisow> it should have a keyboard shortcut instead of a box I have to mouse too though
[04:24] <eqisow> like alt+space to use katapult (which will do part of what Deskbar does)
[04:28] <Nirvana> yeah, but it's not the same :(
[04:28] <eqisow> lol, no it's not
[04:28] <eqisow> I hope KDE 4 integrates a lot of the neater stuff from Gnome, because I dont think I could actually bring myself to switch
[04:28] <eqisow> KDE is way to flexible
[04:29] <eqisow> I mean, it shouldn't be hard to write a KDE front-end for that app, right?
[04:30] <Nirvana> if you can dev. I can't do much beyond basic bash
[04:30] <eqisow> lol, nah. I meant for the KDE tea,s
[04:30] <eqisow> team*
[04:39] <Nirvana> oh well, least I have GNOME installed :P
[04:47] <kosh> hmm I went to that url and I don't even get from that what it is
[04:47] <kosh> digg seems to have even poorer summaries then slashdot does and even worse comments
[04:47] <Nirvana> deskbar?
[04:47] <Nirvana> it's like Google Desktop Search
[04:47] <Nirvana> look at the screencast
[04:48] <_mark> Can someone help me, I'm on wireless, I've installed my card etc it works, but, I have to use DHCP & not static IP.. else it fails & I get connect: Network is unreachable...
[04:48] <kosh> the sceencast looks like some kind of flash thing so that won't work
[04:48] <kosh> I have looked at google desktop search and was not impressed in any way
[04:49] <Nirvana> _mark: kdesu systemsettings and click network, then choose your network and click configure
[04:49] <Nirvana> kosh: there's a 4MB GIF somewhere
[04:51] <_mark> Nirvana: I've tried that.. I can only use DHCP.. else, I can't connect, I just get network unreachable when pinging my router....
[04:52] <jeff_> hey gangsters
[04:52] <jeff_> lol _mark is a programmer
[04:52] <jeff_> if (gateway==dhcp){connection==possible}else{connection/=possible}
[04:53] <TheUni> is there any virtualization software for linux like vmware? that allows me to run windows?
[04:53] <jeff_> hows my syntax?
[04:53] <Nirvana> TheUni: Qemo
[04:53] <Nirvana> Qemu
[04:53] <_mark> jeff_: thats not funny...
[04:53] <jeff_> lol
[04:53] <_mark> Jeff_: is it you I talk to over MSN?
[04:54] <jeff_> i dont think so
[04:54] <_mark> Jeff_: ok..
[04:55] <jeff_> jpatrick:hey
[04:55] <_mark> I can't understand why, I can connect via DHCP but not when set Manually.. <_<
[04:55] <steveire> when I select a song in konquerer, amaroK plays it. How do I configure so that the song gets added to the playlist, instead of stopping the current song
[04:55] <steveire> ?
[04:55] <jeff_> jpatrick:do you know how to get missing printer drivers?
[04:57] <Nirvana> lol
[05:01] <steveire> konqueror settings > file associations > mp3 > amaroK settings. Change command line to amarok --queue . In case anyone else was wondering.
[05:01] <steveire> Why did that get underlined?
[05:02] <steveire> oh...
[05:02] <steveire> %.U
[05:02] <steveire> amarok --queue %.U (without the dot)
[05:04] <Nirvana> I have a lexmark p915 printer, are there any drivers in development for it? Because I've searched and searched, but found nothing
[05:05] <steveire> hmmm... amaroK doesn't seem to want to play mp3s from my fat32 partition. I have to move them to my linux partition. That's annoying....
[05:05] <reon> Anyone here use superkarambe or know of HDD temp monitor applets ?
[05:05] <DrNickRiviera> i'm trying to install kubuntu 5.10, but at the second stage of the installation the screen just goes blank at about 70% (a while after selecting the resolution)
[05:06] <DrNickRiviera> my screen definitely supports the resolution i chose, so that can't be the problem
[05:06] <DrNickRiviera> when i reboot afterwards it alternates between showing the splash screen where it gets a few lines after loading the bluetooth stuff and then goes blank
[05:06] <reon> what gfx card are you using ?
[05:06] <DrNickRiviera> and starting stage 2 again where it complains that some of the packages are broken
[05:07] <DrNickRiviera> matrox g450
[05:07] <DrNickRiviera> is listed as compatible on the ubuntu page
[05:09] <reon> have you tried to reconfigure the xserver ?
[05:09] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, did it from the recovery mode
[05:09] <DrNickRiviera> and when i rebooted then it was slightly differnt in that the screen wasn't blank, but just really distorted broken up colours
[05:10] <DrNickRiviera> i also tried changing to a virtual console when it goes blank, but that doesn't work
[05:10] <DrNickRiviera> what seems a bit odd is that there does seem to be a signal, because my screen doesn't switch itself off
[05:10] <DrNickRiviera> it's just black
[05:11] <squilla> DrNickRiviera:have you tried ctrl+alt++?
[05:11] <DrNickRiviera> no, what does that do?
[05:12] <squilla> DrNickRiviera:switches to other resolutions - it worked for me on knoppix
[05:12] <squilla> DrNickRiviera:give it a go
[05:12] <DrNickRiviera> will give that a try, thanks
[05:12] <squilla> DrNickRiviera:it will cycle to another rez each time you press the combo
[05:16] <TheUni> how do i format a partition?
[05:17] <danst> TheUni, r you sure you want to do this?
[05:18] <flapane> hi
[05:18] <flapane> does anybody can tell me how can I change only the .mp3 files icon?
[05:18] <flapane> i don't like it
[05:18] <danst> TheUni, this depends on what filesystem you wnat
[05:19] <XVampireX> Hi, I'm having trouble with the sound drive, it won't let me use the sound drive in more than 1 application....
[05:20] <uniq> theuni: i suggest using qtparted.
[05:20] <TheUni> ext3
[05:20] <r0xz> TheUni: mkfs.ext3
[05:20] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me with the sound drive, please?
[05:21] <TheUni> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1
[05:21] <TheUni> something like that?
[05:22] <uniq> flapane: right click, properties, click the wrench, now click the current icon.
[05:22] <uniq> theuni: something like that. I still suggest using qtparted, it's like partition magic if you have used that before.
[05:23] <XVampireX> :-/
[05:23] <flapane> uniq: thanks
[05:23] <TheUni> uniq: i dont have that. is it free?
[05:24] <r0xz> TheUni: yes it's free and FREE.  For a usb stick it's sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX
[05:24] <TheUni> ok
[05:24] <TheUni> so it's mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 then, no?
[05:24] <r0xz> TheUni: and for a partition on your harddisk you would use mkfs.ext3 (or another mkfs.x)
[05:25] <uniq> theuni: it's in the university repository if you use breezy. You can get it from apt-get/kynaptic/adept
[05:25] <TheUni> i'm using dapper.
[05:25] <uniq> xvampirex: hang on.
[05:25] <r0xz> TheUni: yes, but check check and check again that you have the right device in the command
[05:25] <uniq> theuni: then you can install it from adept.
[05:25] <TheUni> yea, i just did fdisk -l
[05:25] <TheUni> uniq: it's not showing up.
[05:25] <flapane> anybody got 3d with ati x800gt?
[05:26] <uniq> theuni: it's there if you have the main repository.
[05:26] <menno_> ls
[05:26] <menno_> sorry...
[05:26] <TheUni> nope  :\
[05:26] <TheUni> this mkfs should work fine though
[05:26] <jpatrick> can someone take a look at: http://rothera.no-ip.org/ ?
[05:27] <jeff_> this friggin nickserv is getting annoying
[05:27] <jeff_> its always saying im not me
[05:27] <jeff_> then when i put in my pass, it comes up incorrect
[05:27] <n3storm> jpatrick: it's taking a bit
[05:27] <jpatrick> n3storm: my server
[05:28] <n3storm> apache is no resonding
[05:28] <flapane> yep a little slow
[05:28] <n3storm> jpatrick: you haven't any open port
[05:28] <jpatrick> what?
[05:28] <n3storm> apache uses 80
[05:28] <flapane> it says
[05:28] <flapane> connecting to rothera etc etc
[05:28] <n3storm> nmap told me
[05:29] <uniq> xvampirex: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753
[05:29] <jpatrick> back to the conf
[05:29] <TheUni> ok, the partition is formatted
[05:29] <TheUni> now how do i mount it?
[05:29] <n3storm> jpatrick: cherokee is very easy, fast and light
[05:30] <jpatrick> that thing I saw ages ago on a spanish site?
[05:30] <uniq> jpatrick: timeout.
[05:30] <n3storm> in case you want to give it a try
[05:30] <TheUni> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /media/new  ?
[05:30] <jpatrick> ok, so I have slow server here...
[05:30] <n3storm> jpatrick: is pretty active nowdays and ubuntu org uses it in some places
[05:30] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: tried ctrl+alt++ as well as - and nothing happens
[05:30] <jpatrick> n3storm: ok
[05:30] <n3storm> jpatrick: is not time out
[05:31] <DrNickRiviera> i am not quite sure whether my keyboard works at that point though
[05:31] <DrNickRiviera> because as i said i can't change into a virtual console either
[05:31] <n3storm> jpatrick: install nmap and use it "nmap localhost"
[05:31] <DrNickRiviera> and in the cases where it goes to the second stage and an error message about broken packages comes up return doesn't seem to have any effect
[05:31] <jpatrick> n3storm: sounds useful
[05:32] <n3storm> jpatrick: what do you get?
[05:33] <jpatrick> n3storm: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/703606
[05:33] <jpatrick> microsoft ??
[05:33] <OdyX> jpatrick:
[05:33] <OdyX> PORT   STATE    SERVICE
[05:33] <OdyX> 21/tcp filtered ftp
[05:33] <OdyX> 23/tcp filtered telnet
[05:33] <OdyX> 80/tcp filtered http
[05:33] <n3storm> jpatrick: samba
[05:33] <jpatrick> ah right
[05:34] <jpatrick> OdyX: so I've got to get that
[05:34] <n3storm> jpatrick: Odyx is right, you have a firewall
[05:34] <OdyX> jpatrick: what I pasted is what I get from outside.
[05:34] <OdyX> n3storm: probably iptables.. :D
[05:34] <jpatrick> i have no firewall
[05:34] <n3storm> jpatrick: check if iptables is actually running in your system, please?
[05:35] <jpatrick> how?
[05:35] <r0xz> TheUni: put the right line in /etc/fstab and remount all devices ->done
[05:36] <n3storm> ps ax?
[05:36] <DrNickRiviera> anyone else got an idea why my screen might be going blank during stage 2 of the installation and after a reboot when the system is starting up?
[05:36] <n3storm> jpatrick: what ISP are you on?
[05:36] <n3storm> telefonica
[05:36] <OdyX> jpatrick: if you have X, use guarddog
[05:36] <squilla> DrNick: can you reboot in recovery mode?
[05:36] <jpatrick> n3storm: yes
[05:37] <n3storm> mmm
[05:37] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: yes, i can, reconfigured xserver from there
[05:37] <n3storm> telefonica might be blocking you
[05:37] <DrNickRiviera> didn't make any difference though
[05:37] <jpatrick> ...
[05:37] <n3storm> try to redirect your apache conf to higher port: 8080
[05:37] <DrNickRiviera> but then again i didn't really change anything since it all seemed fine
[05:38] <squilla> DrNick: the screen should jump/show a flicker each time you cycle a rez - although it can be hard to tell
[05:39] <squilla> DrNick: and .. it may be "ctrl+alt+-" it's been a whiel - sorry
[05:39] <jpatrick> n3storm: ok
[05:39] <DrNickRiviera> it didn't seem to be doing anything
[05:39] <DrNickRiviera> i tried both + and -
[05:39] <squilla> DrNick:It is the least traumatic, assuming it works, and it does not happen after the install
[05:39] <squilla> DrNick:ah - hold
[05:40] <DrNickRiviera> but as i said earlier, i am not absolutely sure my keyboard is working at that point
[05:42] <steveire> Is there a chan to discuss unix-like operating systems?
[05:42] <squilla> DrNick:I'm going to google etc and see if I can find something - I don't have that card , sooo ....
[05:43] <jpatrick> n3storm: if i can find out where
[05:43] <squilla> DrNick:one thing - could you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file please?
[05:44] <n3storm> jpatrick: where to change port?
[05:44] <n3storm> search "listen 80"
[05:44] <flapane> i can't see accents in xchat
[05:45] <flapane> do i have to change utf coding?
[05:45] <n3storm> flapane: try conversation
[05:45] <n3storm> konversation ;)
[05:45] <steveire> Linux distros all use the linux kernel (let's not get into a naming convertion thing here). BSD OSes all use unique kernels, correct? ie, there is a freeBSD kernel, an OpenBSD kernel, net- and dragonfly kernels. Is that right?
[05:45] <flapane> n3storm, another options?;)
[05:45] <n3storm> flapane: try ubuntu channels
[05:46] <flapane> why...
[05:46] <n3storm> they more likely use xchat
[05:46] <flapane> i'm on kubuntu
[05:46] <flapane> ah
[05:46] <flapane> ok
[05:46] <flapane> tnx
[05:46] <jpatrick> da0n
[05:46] <n3storm> dnd, flapane
[05:47] <jpatrick> restart
[05:47] <jpatrick> brb
[05:51] <danst> i am using ktorrent 1.2 and i thought that one of the older versions had more stuff to show: which seeders i connect to, more on the progress, ... but now I only have the main list and nothing else... am i missing an option?
[05:58] <federico> hola alguien habla espaol?
[05:58] <jpatrick> n3storm: think it worked
[05:58] <jpatrick> federico: #kubuntu-es , gracias
[05:59] <steveire> what's the command to print my partition table?
[05:59] <squilla> DrNick: could you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file please
[05:59] <Massacration> good afternoon everyone
[06:00] <n3storm> jpatrick: I can't see your server
[06:00] <DrNickRiviera> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/703633
[06:00] <jpatrick> http://rothera.no-ip.org:8080/
[06:00] <Massacration> which icons theme are u using ?
[06:00] <DrNickRiviera> posted it in a personal window ;)
[06:01] <squilla> DrNick: thanks - reading
[06:01] <steveire> !partition
[06:01] <ubotu> steveire: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:01] <hastesaver> !partitions