[01:36] <pmatulis> thanks
[05:23] <aarcane> xnox, so getting partman-zfs is a definite no-go, and removing partman.py(c) seems to have resulted in the installer just not doing anything.
[06:15] <aarcane> in fact, xnox, insofar as I can tell, the installer, with ubi-partman.py{,c} removed has not so much as attempted to create a single file in /target/ ...
[09:26] <xnox> aarcane: explain why is partman-zfs is "no-go"
[09:26] <xnox> ?
[09:28] <xnox> aarcane: do you not provide the same zfs utility as used in the partman-zfs with same syntax?
[11:00] <ogra_> xnox, wrent there licensing issues ?
[11:01] <xnox> ogra_: there is no license issue with partman-zfs calling a command line utility zfs, regardless of how said utility is licensed.
[11:02] <ogra_> ah, i thought it ships something thats badly licensed, if its only wrapping around it thats surely no issue indeed
[11:02] <xnox> aarcane: alternatively use live-build & use oem-config.
[11:03] <xnox> ogra_: partman-zfs is all good & uses zfs utility on kfreebsd kernel / debian port.
[11:03] <ogra_> ah, k
[19:26] <aarcane> xnox, I don't know enough about packaging to be able to install or package partman-zfs, and I'm not running on a platform where it's available.


[00:00]  * pleia2 doublecheds schedule
[00:00] <pleia2> checks too
[00:00] <pleia2> how about tuesday at 8pm EST?
[00:00] <PrivateVoid> That is the 2nd of December...
[00:00]  * PrivateVoid checks calendar
[00:01] <PrivateVoid> I am free -- in here?
[00:02] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, will it just be us?
[00:03] <pleia2> yep, here
[00:03] <pleia2> I'll post to the Classroom mailing list and see if others are interested
[00:03] <PrivateVoid> ok... putting it in the book
[00:04] <PrivateVoid> k
[00:04] <PrivateVoid> I requested to join the LP team
[00:04] <pleia2> you're on the mailing list, right?
[00:04] <PrivateVoid> not yet... I don't think
[00:04] <PrivateVoid> that would be associated with the LP team right?
[00:05]  * pleia2 points to /topic
[00:05] <pleia2> it's not an LP mailing list, it's one of the ubuntu mailman ones
[00:05] <PrivateVoid> yes I am on that one
[00:06] <pleia2> ok cool
[05:45] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education
[05:46] <PrivateVoid> good night all -- see you in the AM
[15:19] <Inzi85> hello everyone
[15:19] <Inzi85> does anyone know why my Ip was banned
[15:20] <Inzi85> i have never connected to this channel before this
[15:21] <Inzi85> hello


[06:47] <tjaalton> RAOF: fyi, egl-wayland is in sid now and should enter disco any time now
[06:48] <RAOF> Yay!
[07:26] <didrocks> good morning
[08:01] <liuxg1> does anyone know how to set up wifi using command line for ubuntu mate? I have an application which is autostarted on power-up. I do not even need to login to let it run. However, I find that if I do not login, the wifi does not connect at all.   It's chilly today
[09:10] <didrocks> morning seb128
[09:10] <didrocks> chilly here as well
[09:12] <Laney> SURE is!
[09:18] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, seb128
[10:05] <andyrock> good morning!
[10:06] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[10:19] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you today?
[10:23] <andyrock> hey seb, good thanks! what about you?
[10:24] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[12:23] <seb128> didrocks, thx for the ubuntu-make autopkgtest fix!
[12:26] <didrocks> seb128: yw! I would be more confident once autopkgtest will run, but it seems to be hours away with the kde stack pending
[12:26] <seb128> yeah :/
[12:27] <didrocks> but it should be ok, I have reproduced it in a vm, and fixed it here while still running in bionic as well (for the snap version)
[12:28] <seb128> good :)
[12:44] <willcooke> didrocks, oh you fixed it?!  Nice one!
[12:46] <Laney> :3
[17:09] <willcooke> jibel, 18.04 daily installed on the haunted laptop with no problems.
[18:07] <willcooke> dinner time, night all
[18:41] <oSoMoN> night all


[12:59] <LucasG> hi, US10.10 - if jack is on, skype doesn sound at all - could it?
[16:59] <[snake]> How can I get a nice delay effect in lmms? Which plugin will do this best-- and without crashing :P
[17:00] <holstein> [snake]: hey
[17:00] <holstein> ive always liked the idea of LMMS
[17:00] <holstein> but it was so crashy when i tried to use it years back
[17:00] <holstein> *crashy with JACK
[17:00] <holstein> that i kinda gave up on it
[17:01] <holstein> and i really dont need its functionality
[17:01] <[snake]> holstein, Well I don't use JACK...  I can't figure out how to use it.
[17:01] <holstein> well, if you want to open your mind to using JACK
[17:01] <holstein> you can route in or out of any program with JACK support
[17:02] <holstein> to or from any other program
[17:02] <holstein> or hardware that is JACK supported
[17:02] <holstein> handy when you are doing something like you are doing
[17:02] <[snake]> Yeah-- I like that concept... but It hates me.
[17:02] <holstein> right on
[17:02] <holstein> [snake]: let me send you to #opensourcemusicians
[17:02] <holstein> i know a couple folk there use it
[17:03] <holstein> and there was a dev hanging in there at some point
[17:03] <holstein> [snake]: what are the plugins that LMMS supports?
[17:03] <holstein> ladpa?
[17:03] <holstein> ladspa*
[17:03] <[snake]> the reason I like lmms is because it is a carbon copy of FL studio :P
[17:03] <[snake]> yes ladspa
[17:05] <holstein> [snake]: you have the metapackage installed for plugins?
[17:05] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[17:05] <holstein> ?
[17:06] <[snake]> Yeah I got sound n all... I just want a delay effect... and there's like 10 different choices of plugins for "delay"... and of the ones I used... thay don't do what I want.


[00:03] <GridCube> oh... it appears that its pretty hard to get an image included on the backdrop folders according to last year lengthy discussion of charlie on ubuntu-artwork
[00:11] <knome> pleia2, yeah i noticed the mail
[00:13] <knome> pleia2, i'll sort that out tomorrow, if you haven't done it by then
[00:13]  * knome just came home from bar and doesn't feel so productive
[02:23] <pleia2> knome: no problem, I'm at the airport and will be off visiting family all weekend (3 day weekend in the states here, woo)
[13:47] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:48] <GridCube> good:)


[00:35] <FurretUber> When a program (synaptic) that was translated lost its translation (it's entirely in English now) should this be reported in Launchpad as a bug?
[00:38] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: I'd say yes.
[00:38] <tsimonq2> That's a regression, even if not one easily solved.
[01:42] <BenLubar> I'm having trouble configuring a VM of Ubuntu Bionic to work as a build server. I'm getting "Username/PublicKey combination invalid" even though the private key the master server generated works when I try to connect with it manually
[01:43] <BenLubar> is there a way to get more information about what's going on inside the VM? journalctl -u ssh seems to be saying that the auth was successful
[01:46] <BenLubar> ok, weird, it seems to work when I change it to forward to <IP_ADDRESS> instead of the host machine's public IP
[01:46] <BenLubar> I wonder where I'm getting SSH auth errors from - I'm running Windows on the host.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> morning BionicMac
[05:18] <BionicMac> morning lotuspsychje
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: got good bleachbit scan?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg denixx|h2
[05:24] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: Not yet. I've been installing/configuring/running/testing/using a fresh Kubuntu Bionic Beaver build from yesterday. I'm in it now also.
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> aha
[05:27] <BionicMac> No worries... I quadruple boot this iMac. I still have my Gnome Beaver on another partition. =)
[05:46] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje, hi all
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> did you fix that network issue the other day alkisg
[05:49] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: yeah, a netplan configuration file was missing, possibly because they put it in the livecd manually instead of generating it from a package postinst
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> aha
[08:38] <qz1> v 18.04, is it possible to minimalize window of soft by click on icon in taskbar ? I ask because it doesnt work.
[12:09] <TJ-> Just had a severe post d-r-u reboot breakage with services failing, including logind, and systemctl unable to talk to systemd, on a minimal 16.04 xubuntu install > 18.04. Long story short, in recovery mode journalctl -xb reported towards the end a failure tag "var-run-bad" and it turned out that /var/run/ was a separate directory when it should be a symlink /var/run/ -> /run/ - "rm -rf /var/run; ln -s /run
[12:09] <TJ-> /var/run" fixes it. Not sure how it was caused though
[12:54] <guardian> hello, is there a point waiting for the release? provided the current beta works on my setup, are there upcoming major changes or will I get rather mundane package uprades if I install now?
[12:56] <TJ-> guardian: there are still bugs to be worked out so you could end up with a partially broken system at times
[13:01] <guardian> so impatient though :)
[13:05] <TJ-> I've been d-r-u-ing several systems; servers seem to go ok but seeing upgrade-breakage  and some in-use behaviour weirdness still
[13:05] <TJ-> (for desktop installs that is)
[14:37] <danlii> I couldn't help myself, so I upgraded to 18.04 today on my Lenovo Thinkpad x240. It didn't go so well, the resolution seems to be 640x480 or something thereabout, but xrandr and the screen settings dialog says 1366x768 - however, I can't even see the buttons in the lower part of the window. I can't even see the bottom of the menu in Gnome, so I can't logout... Any ideas? :)
[14:54] <alkisg> danlii: xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <alkisg> What's the output of that?
[14:57] <danlii> alkisg: http://termbin.com/o1oa
[14:58] <alkisg> Maybe a scaling issue? That xrandr output seems fine...
[14:59] <danlii> alkisg: Probably. A screenshot here: http://www.frozenbanana.net/screenshot01.png
[15:01] <danlii> alkisg: However, the scaling it set to 100% in the display settings.
[15:05] <danlii> Ah well. I removed all my settings folders and rebooted, and the problem is gone.
[15:05] <danlii> Thanks anyway.
[16:45] <Kingsy[m]> Does anyone know if there is an ISO available for ubuntu minimal 18.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD only seems to have 17.10
[16:46] <Kingsy[m]> It's for a new PC so it makes sense to use 18.04 rather than upgrade to it later. If possible
[16:58] <TJ-> Kingsy[m]: would a -server ISO be a usable alternative?
[17:03] <Kingsy[m]> It's ok I think I might just install and upgrade
[18:07] <BionicMac> Hello there. I want to throw this out here once again in hopes there may be an answer by now: SOUND issues. Everything recognizes my card, kernel drivers are loaded... pavucontrol and alsamixer see my card.... but... It just stops outputting sound (internal speakers/headphones/anywhere/) ... No erros anywhere... kernel/pulse/alsa... zilch. no erros. pavucontrol shows the graph moving as I play sound... no output. I am at aloss. I have gooled my
[18:07] <BionicMac> duckduckgo butt off to no avail. Only this I have found is that with the same chip a few ppl are getting the same symptms: Ghost In The Machine: Intermittent SOUND. No static nothing. From all indications the sound is playing... but... it will just stop completely. then 2 hours later... soud.  Antergos, which runs linux kernel 4.15.* also has the same issues. I am starting to think it is a kernel driver or possible pulse/alsa thing.
[18:09] <BionicMac> bungholio@bungholio-iMac:/etc$ lspci | grep Audio
[18:09] <BionicMac> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio (rev 31)
[18:11] <alkisg> BionicMac: and it works fine in previous kernels/versions?
[18:11] <BionicMac> s/erros/errors/ :: please read through my other typos. I'm on my first cup of joe. =)
[18:12] <BionicMac> alkisg: I don't know. The only kernel that willl boot on my machine is minimum 4.15.*. SO I have nothing else to compare.  I have never ran a kernel lower than that version on this machine.
[18:13] <alkisg> BionicMac: how do we know it's a software issue?
[18:13] <alkisg> And not hardware or speakers or connetivity etc?
[18:13] <BionicMac> well, the only kernel that has support for my graphics/display, that is. Only this month did I install linux here and the problem persists since then until now. Several versions in the 4.15.* series I have booted. Same issue.
[18:14] <alkisg> So is it possible that you just connected the speakers to the mic hole?
[18:14] <BionicMac> alkisg: Because it will magically start working. And it is perfect. then : not output ( but the meters on mixer and pavucontrol still see the graphs as outputtting,
[18:14] <BionicMac> NO
[18:14] <BionicMac> oops sorry for the all caps. No
[18:14] <alkisg> Or that a cable inside the pc doesn't fit well and it works/breaks with light movement?
[18:15] <BionicMac> Internal speaker. no external. Plus when it stops oututting audio it affects the internal speakers as well s headphones.
[18:15] <alkisg> I.e. I think you need to find ANY OS/kernel/version that always works
[18:15] <alkisg> So that at least you'll then know it's a software issue
[18:15] <BionicMac> I don't suspect it becuase it affects hedphones and internal speakers together.
[18:15] <BionicMac> yes, software.
[18:16] <BionicMac> Plus I have found... some folks with the same issue with this chipset (differnt rev minor versions) but it is the same thing I read about their experience.
[18:18] <BionicMac> There is only one fix that "sometimes" corrects it: "pavucontrol / Configuration Tab/ changing-toggling the Profile from one to the other then back tothe proper" then boom... mid song... and the entire time the graphs in pavucontrol are bumping away no interruptions.
[18:19] <BionicMac> Makes me suspect pulse more than any other. which gives e an idea: How do I turn off pulse so I can use Alsa only getting rid of pulse for testing?
[18:19] <BionicMac> Pls how do I reload everything sound related while testing: unload kernel drivers and re-initialize Alsa(only) - no pules?
[18:20] <BionicMac> s/Pls/Plus/
[18:53] <alkisg> An internal cable issue would affect both
[18:54] <alkisg> (headphones and speakers)
[18:55] <alkisg> To play something using alsa, run `aplay /bin/ls`; it'll make modem-like sound
[18:56] <BionicMac> alkisg: An Internal speaker cable issue wouldn't affect the headphone jack also. (unless two cables are bad)  I mean when it stops outputting sound it affects headphones and internal speakers.
[18:57] <BionicMac> yes I use 'aplay some.wav' to play through alsa. But I would love to know how to shutdown pulse-audio altogether and let alsa manage sound for testing to rule out pulse.
[18:58] <BionicMac> alkisg: WHen the sound is outputting correectly I can always use "aplay some.wav" and it works fine. When it stops, it affects 'aplay' also.
[18:59] <BionicMac> Hmmm. found another person with their "fix" for the exact same issue ( and it is on a mac running linux ) .. :  I shall save this one and try out his fix. https://askubuntu.com/questions/476905/imac-late-2013-audio-cirrus-logic-cs4206-issues
[22:00] <ChmEarl> doing a preseed install with Apr 02 cdrom, I get to the partitioner and it hangs, no message
[22:00] <ChmEarl> it hangs after setting up partitions
[22:00] <ChmEarl> this is inside a Xen pv guest
[22:02] <ChmEarl> I think the next step is the problem: Software selection
[22:05] <katnip> is it me, or is there hardly any updates today?
[22:06] <TJ-> well it may be there's not so many bug's to fix, or it may be related to it being a national holiday in the UK
[22:06] <ChmEarl> using bionic ubuntu-server ISO
[22:06] <katnip> TJ-, didnt know that, ty
[22:22] <ChmEarl> Guided partitioning  ... 20%... 40%... 60%... 80%  <--- hangs here
[22:26] <TJ-> ChmEarl: that sounds familiar.... from many years ago!
[22:28] <TJ-> ChmEarl: you might find a similar bug in the list
[22:28] <TJ-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer?field.searchtext=partitioner&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_pat
[22:28] <TJ-> ch=&field.has_no_package=
[22:28] <TJ-> Damn!
[22:28] <ChmEarl> TJ-, going to try again with a bigger disk
[22:29] <TJ-> here we go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer?field.searchtext=partitioner&search=Search
[22:29] <TJ-> I hate sites that use GET instead of POST!
[23:17] <ChmEarl> TJ it worked after I uncommented: d-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select biggest_free
[23:17] <ChmEarl> I used atomic method
[23:19] <BionicMac> Good evening ladies & gentlemen. =)  I need to run a python script at boot that I normally call from rc.local in Slackware. What is the proper way to call a script at boot time in Ubuntu 18.04?  I noticed the that when I look at "/lib/systemd/system/rc.local.service" it tells me this service would execute rc.local (if it is exeuctable and present). That being said, all I need to do is create "/etc/rc.local", make it executable and I'm done. What say
[23:19] <BionicMac> ye?
[23:25] <TJ-> ChmEarl: thanks for letting us know.
[23:25] <TJ-> BionicMac: you've got it
[23:26] <BionicMac> TJ-: Thank you brother man!. =)
[23:55] <ChmEarl> its a bootable system with 500 packages fully preseeded
[23:59] <Boyette> hi
[23:59] <Boyette> im trying to install anbox but i cant get it to work.. anybody who feels like helping me out


 I can translate KDE apps from English to Persian (Farsi) which is the official language in 4 countries and is spoken by over 120 million people.
[11:50] <theMetamorphosis> I've been translating projects like Uget and MegaGlest in Transefix website, but I couldn't find any KDE projects in there.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> theMetamorphosis, you should ask in #kubuntu-devel chat about translating
[11:53] <BluesKaj> you'll need to be patient for a response
[11:54] <theMetamorphosis> Thank you
[12:44] <wallbreaker> Hey folks, sorry if I'm just being slow. I'm experiencing the issue described here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411321 Can someone tell me what the specific CLI package I need is in order to launch ovpn config networks without receiving a 'Missing VPN Plugin' error?
[12:47] <wallbreaker> Actually here's the open launchpad bug as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1841767 Same issue and user.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> wallbreaker, I'm using openvpn , but I've never come across that plugin issue. The issue might be the network-manager-openvpn plugin core. It has to be installed separately from the repo.
[13:16] <aiena> I am trying to add this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa it adds fine but on update I get Err:5 https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa eoan Release   404  Not Found [IP: 64:ff9b::5bbd:59df 443]. What could be the reason?
[13:16] <aiena> the paapis fully browseable on launchpad and there is a version for eon AFAIK
[13:16] <aiena> *ppa
[13:19] <BluesKaj> aiena, I'd like to help, but ppas aren't supported here sinced they're nondefault and considered experimental. Also many will no longer work or can break your system after kernel upgrades.
[13:20] <aiena> ok can you help me remove this ppa
[13:20] <aiena> restore it to vanilla state no packages were installed from it
[13:21] <BluesKaj> !ppa purge
[13:21] <aiena> hmm bot is down?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> https://itsfoss.com/how-to-remove-or-delete-ppas-quick-tip/ ...scroll down to the terminal method
[13:23] <RikMills> aiena: that ppa works just fine here on eoan
[13:23] <RikMills> maybe wait until later on and try again
[13:23] <aiena> RikMills: I think i goofed up somewhere.
[13:24] <aiena> because I cannot ppa purge the ppa either
[13:24] <aiena> error comes "E: The repository 'https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa eoan Release' does not have a Release file."
[13:24] <aiena> I had added the launchpad url by mistake with apt add-repositoy
[13:25] <aiena> like `  add-apt-repository https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa`
[13:25] <RikMills> remove the .list file that was created for it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:25] <RikMills> you never installed anything, so don't need to purge
[13:25] <RikMills> just delete the .list file
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yup, I've done that a few times
[13:27] <aiena> I deleted a list file called kritalime-ubuntu-ppa-eoan.list after running apt-update I still see this 'https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa' in apt-update
[13:28] <aiena> so is there some other place i have to check too
[13:28] <BluesKaj> aiena, remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list as well since it looks l;ike you added it there
[13:29] <RikMills> check in /etc/apt/sources.list to see if a wrong line was added to that. if so edit it out
[13:31] <aiena> RikMills: yes thank you
[13:31] <RikMills> :)
[13:32] <aiena> i think the .list file is the correct one added on the second run and the sources.list got edited by the launchpad url command
[13:34] <RikMills> sounds right. I haven't done it woring for a long time, so didn't immediately recall
[13:34] <RikMills> *wrong
[13:35] <eric-> hello
[13:40] <aiena> RikMills: you rock thanks a lot for you help
[13:40] <aiena> its all smooth and fine now
[13:41] <RikMills> :)
[15:10] <ecov> why is it when i insert a freshly formatted usb stick into my system it's owned by root :(
[15:10] <ecov> i guess its because "root" formatted the stick with KDE partition manager?
[15:12] <theMetamorphosis> Well, I guess you can't open Dolphin as root which is a security nonesense.
[15:13] <theMetamorphosis> https://iwf1.com/linux-users-bypass-executing-dolphin-as-root-is-not-possible-and-regain-your-kde-dolphin-root-privileges
[15:13] <theMetamorphosis> This guide might help.
[15:13] <oerheks> formatted to what filesystem?
[15:14] <ecov> ext4
[15:16] <oerheks> chown it to your user?
[15:18] <ecov> i guess i figured a newly created usb stick would be automatically chowned :P
[15:18] <ecov> dumb assumption
[16:39] <alexander__> hl
[16:47] <franzpow> I need help with my kubuntu pc. It's important. Today I can't boot my system. When I try to boot it up, after bios, I got the message of kernel starting and it stucks on loading initial ram disk...
[16:48] <franzpow> I can't do anything at this point. I can boot into command line and try something but I don't know where to start. Yesterday I installed OBS and maybe I updated my system that's all
[16:50] <diogenes_> franzpow, try an older kernel.
[16:51] <franzpow> I tried to boot with legacy.. but Had no luck
[16:51] <franzpow> I have installed low_latency and liquorix. Actually using the last one
[16:52] <masonbee-M> Hold Shift while booting to display grub and choose another kernel
[16:52] <masonbee-M> Can you boot off a USB stick?
[16:53] <franzpow> I can click on advanced boot options and select liquorix 5.5. or linux 5.3 generic and low latency but at this point nothing changes. Even if I select recovery mode
[16:53] <franzpow> It loads kernel and get stuck on loading initial ramdisk...
[16:54] <masonbee-M> That's fine, I was thinking more does the home volume exist and to back it up before anything else.
[16:56] <franzpow> I am booting via usb now
[16:56] <franzpow> I am gonna check if the disk is ok.. But I ran dell diagnose via bios and it gave me no errors
[16:59] <franzpow> I booted kubuntu via usb stick. What should I do now?
[17:03] <masonbee-M> Unfortunately the baby woke up but I would, unplug everything and try rebooting in case it is a hardware fault somewhere,  back up the home folder (eg; the important stuff) and then usually I just reinstall but that is cheating (it's just faster a lot of the time)/ run through these options, but back up first. http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/ways-to-rescue-or-recover-grub-menu
[17:04] <masonbee-M> diogenes_: What do you think?
[17:06] <franzpow> Is there a way to recover all the programs installed? I can't just fresh install.. too much work to reinstall anything
[17:06] <franzpow> would like to recover this installation.. maybe reinstalling an older kernel??
[17:07] <franzpow> Tried to reboot and starting again but I had no luck. Same error
[17:07] <franzpow> This is a laptopo
[17:07] <franzpow> *laptop
[17:08] <diogenes_> masonbee-M, when i just started with linux, i used to re-install the system several times a day until i learned how to handle it so yeah, re-installation is a panacea.
[17:11] <franzpow> Is there a way to backup all the files and program installed without reinstalling everything from scratch? If not I need to save this installation. I have to work with this pc.. my fault I didn't backup anything but I was using this machine with gloves to prevent things like this to happen..
[17:27] <franzpow> any of you guys can help?
[17:28] <theMetamorphosis> If you want to clone the whole disk (like what Norton Ghost does in Windows) you can try Clonezilla which is an FOSS alternative.
[17:28] <theMetamorphosis> Otherwise you can manually backup your data and you know what to do.
[17:29] <oerheks> !clone
[17:29] <oerheks> !backup
[17:30] <masonbee-M> Well, backup first but I have used the 4th option in the link I posted a few times and it has worked. You have to choose the right disk to install grub to from memory. But really, backup first. Because booting depends on the first part of the disk (does it still on modern disks, it did on msdos ones) it can bork your partition table is something goes wrong.
[17:30] <franzpow> hmmm can I clone it with clonezilla while booting with live stick usb?
[17:31] <franzpow> Yeah.. I was trying the first method but couldn't get it to work
[17:31] <franzpow> if cloning the drive via clonezilla and usbstick is possible, I will proceed in that way
[17:32] <masonbee-M> Here is the site for the boot repair tool. https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/ for further reading.
[17:34] <masonbee-M> Just before you do that though, I have a distant memory of something similar happening because if my uefi settings. I changed OS and it wouldn't boot but it was because I had another OS specified in UEFI....vague memory.
[17:35] <franzpow> mmm I have no other os or dual boot.. I bought this pc with windows pre-installed and formatted installing kubuntu
[17:38] <masonbee-M> Doesn't hurt to look. What did you say the last things you installed before reboot were?
[17:38] <franzpow> I installed OBS.. a streaming software
[17:38] <franzpow> but had no erorrs or something like that
[17:39] <franzpow> and, If I remeber correctly, did some updates
[17:39] <masonbee-M> What version kubuntu?
[17:40] <franzpow> 19.10
[17:41] <franzpow> right now I am trying to use clonezilla
[17:41] <franzpow> I will update you if after backup I could recover via bootrepair or uefi settings
[17:44] <masonbee-M> OK. Try a quick search for problems with OBS and 19.10 as well. It does affect graphics packages. Look forward to find out.
[17:54] <franzpow> I should check it but I installed the same program on my other kubuntu 19.10 installation and had no problem at all.
[17:54] <franzpow> Other kubuntu system*
[17:58] <franzpow> Metamophosis: clonezilla gets stucked on scanning dir/tmp/oscroot_bind_root
[17:58] <franzpow> is this normal?
[17:59] <franzpow> Metamorphosis: is this normal?
[18:13] <Metamorphosis> franzpow I haven't used it in the past 5 years but they have very good documentation, alternatively you could ask them at #clonezilla
[19:11] <franzpow> nobody answered me
[19:11] <franzpow> on #clonezilla
[19:11] <franzpow> but I was thinking that's a bad idea to clone an entire disk that's not booting... when I restore it will I have problem? I think it will does not start..
[19:12] <Metamorphosis> I still don't understand your exact problem. Why don't you just copy your data to an external(or internal) hard drive and reinstall Kubuntu?
[19:13] <Metamorphosis> I prefer this approach to cloning disks which has always been risky.
[19:16] <franzpow> because I have to reinstall all the programs. Plus if I copy only home folder I will lose a lot of preset files  in the program folders.. right?
[19:17] <Metamorphosis> Sure, but that's the safest bet.
[19:17] <franzpow> I really hoped to avoid reinstalling everything cloning the ssd.. but that's not possible
[19:17] <Metamorphosis> And remember, no matter if you are reinstalling or cloning: backup your important data.
[19:18] <franzpow> I never learn by my errors.
[19:18] <franzpow> btw I successfully copied my home data with dejadup
[19:19] <Metamorphosis> That's good. A fresh install is always the best thing to do. That's my experience.
[19:49] <user|43788> how do I control the webcam and microphone? (disabling, enabling)
[19:55] <diogenes_> user|43788, applications handle that e.g. skype, discord etc.
[19:56] <user|43788> Thank you
 Hey boys
 Could someone help me restore the grub? On the Internet there are several tutorials that I have tried but none have worked for me
[21:29] <masonbee-M> This page seems OK to me. Babysitting so can't help more than that really. Backup first. http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/ways-to-rescue-or-recover-grub-menu
[21:30] <masonbee-M> Skip the windows one though unless you know you have borked your mbr.
 (Photo, 978x745) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/LCN3T9LC/file_25968.jpg Bad news Wannacry works on Kubuntu via Wine lol … (At least it does in my overlayfs sandbox)
[22:40] <franzpow> I reinstalled kubuntu and I had the same problem!
[22:40] <franzpow> I tried to switch from UEFI to legacy and finally it booted.. after that I restored it to UEFI
[22:41] <franzpow> masonbee-M: Maybe you were right afterall?
[23:14] <leaftype2> One thing that's still a problem on linux - when something doesn't work, I have no idea if it's my fault or not. Got a windows game on Steam that should be platinum no-hassle working... and it doesn't load
[23:29] <Metamorphosis> leaftype2 try explaining your problem at #steamlug
[23:30] <leaftype2> thanks Metamorphosis
[23:30] <leaftype2> will try that
[23:30] <Metamorphosis> And don't forget that Steam officially supports Linux, so you could try contacting their customer service.
[23:32] <leaftype2> Steam does, but this isn't one of their greenlisted titles
[23:32] <leaftype2> I was just relying on protondb
[23:34] <Metamorphosis> I hear you leaftype2, if you are into games, you can give FOSS games a try too. Linux gaming is really improved.
[23:37] <leaftype2> I've been on linux since 2006... have yet to see a FOSS game on par with a middle of the road commercial game
[23:37] <leaftype2> Battle for Wesnoth was pretty close though
[23:38] <Metamorphosis> If you are a fan of RTS games, give 0AD a go. Battle for Wesnoth is very deep and amazing.
[23:39] <leaftype2> Battle for Wesnoth is super deep, super amazing, workable graphics, but lacking polish in the balance, story, and UI design, last I checked
[23:39] <leaftype2> I haven't checked out 0 AD though in several years, might be worth looking at
[23:43] <Metamorphosis> Alien Arena, MegaGlest, OpenRA, Sauerbraten, The Dark Mod, The Saga of Ryzom, FreeCiv and Freedoom are also worth playing.
[23:43] <leaftype2> Though, on that note I did just learn that I'm literally getting no benefit from my fancy graphics card over the built-in vega graphics
[23:45] <leaftype2> Yeah... I've played half o fthose back before the steam days. It's what's convinced me that we gotta pay for games.
[23:45] <leaftype2> Like honestly if I could get someone to polish minetest until it was an equal UI to minecraft, I'd pay 20 bucks for it
[23:48] <Metamorphosis> leaftype2 Your contributions and donations will pave the way for better FOSS games. Feel free to help the developers.
[23:51] <leaftype2> Yeah... except that's not the relationship. If I throw hundreds of dollars at the game, it doesn't guarantee even a better \game


[01:00] <mwhudson> remerge --weave is quite exciting ;)
[01:06] <bob2> haha
[01:21] <idnar> so what's the latest on bzr and colocated branches? is bzr-colo still the thing to use?
[01:25] <lifeless> probably
[01:41] <jelmer> idnar: yeah, the support for colocated branches in bzr core was never finished
[02:08] <bob2> :(
[10:33] <kinkie> Hi all, sorry for jumping in with a quick question: is there a way to push to a remote repo some local commits which is not a commit? (e.g. some form of push) Thanks!
[10:41] <mgz>  kinkie: that doesn't make sense to me, what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[10:56] <kinkie> My main mode of developing is via a remote repo with local checkouts as I work in parallel on different systems. But sometimes I'm disconnected; in that case I favor to do local commits which I'd like to push when the main repo is available to me again
[10:57] <kinkie> I can do it with a regular commit, but that's sometimes inconvenient. I'm just wondering if there's a way to push the local commits or to replay them somehow
[10:58] <kinkie> have to go now, will read later
[10:58] <mgz> kinkie: you can just push local commits as they are when you reconnect
[11:01] <mgz> ah, I see, you need a commit without --local for that to happen
[11:02] <fullermd> No, you can just push, assuming there's no divergeance.
[11:02] <fullermd> You're off in the hairy corners of the boundbreckout mess of course.
[11:47] <kinkie> fullermd: thanks, that's what I was looking for
[14:35] <didrocks> hey
[14:36] <didrocks> I tried to distro-patch bzr on raring
[14:36] <jelmer> hi didrocks
[14:36] <didrocks> adding the support for lp-propose to include the latest commit
[14:36] <didrocks> however, it FTBFS (I built it on quantal :/)
[14:36] <didrocks> hey jelmer! how are you? :)
[14:36] <didrocks> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/123701411/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.bzr_2.6.0~beta2-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:37] <jelmer> didrocks: I'm well thanks, hope you are too
[14:37] <didrocks> it seems some obscure doc tool I don't know about :)
[14:37] <didrocks> jelmer: yeah, quite busy, but good! :)
[14:37] <jelmer> didrocks: I patched this for the Debian package, IIRC newer versions of python-docutils are slightly stricter
[14:38] <didrocks> interesting
[14:38] <didrocks> should I just steal your patch from Debian?
[14:38] <jelmer> didrocks: see -r6570 of lp:bzr
[14:38] <didrocks> jelmer: thanks a lot! you save more a bunch of time :)
[15:31] <jml> how can I see what properties a revision has?
[15:32] <jml> from the cmd line, idieally
[16:07] <jelmer> jml: bzr cat-revision, though that will spit out the raw form
[16:11] <jml> jelmer: thanks.
[16:49] <jml> jam: how do I actually use meliae?
[16:50] <jml> oh hey, I found this: http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/memory-debugging-with-meliae.html
[16:53] <mgz> yeah, that's helpful, really you still need to have a reasonable idea of the layout of things to understand what the dumps mean
[17:28] <jml> hmm.
[17:28] <jml> is there a visualizer for meliae output?
[17:43] <jml> hmrmrmmm
[17:43] <jml> oh, right.
[19:44] <lifeless> jml: runsnakerun


[06:28] <Doranwen> I'm attempting to get a really old Intel Celeron PC (Dell Dimension 2400 series with 256 mb RAM) to run *some* form of Ubuntu-based Linux, and everything I've tried won't even load the install menus - the only thing I've gotten to load so far is the expert install mode on the *minimal* CD, but I have no idea what to do with that - any ideas or should I toss this one on the scrap heap?
[06:28] <Doranwen> if I can get it working even just for basic reading pdfs and stuff, it'll be useful for where it's going, so I'd rather not just chuck it if there's a way past whatever's making it flip out
[06:28] <Doranwen> it currently has a working installation of XP on it
[06:29] <hateball> Well, there comes a time to let go
[06:30] <hateball> <1GB RAM is just painful if you intend to do even basic internet browsing on the machine as well
[06:31] <TheSchaf> better install some old OS and play old games on it, or something
[06:31] <TheSchaf> but 256 mb is pretty useless :)
[06:33] <Doranwen> lol, well it's mostly going to be for reading some pdfs, and perhaps a few educational programs that don't take a lot of RAM
[06:33] <TheSchaf> 256 mb is not even enough to install lubuntu with desktop :)
[06:33] <TheSchaf> you can maybe have command line interface and install some server distro
[06:33] <TheSchaf> but that will not help you with reading PDFs :P
[06:34] <Doranwen> I managed to get Bodhi Linux on a similar system (same specs, I think) and it ran OK for those purposes, but the installer just wouldn't even boot for this one, which is odd, because that distro's designed for down to 128 mb even, so I figured I'd try and see if the minimal install CD would get me anywhere
[06:35] <Doranwen> I'm going to guess it's got some weird hardware quirk that doesn't like the live environments, even when they're designed to handle that low RAM, so maybe will have to chuck that one entirely
[06:35] <Doranwen> just thought I
[06:35] <Doranwen> *I'd ask and see :)
[09:46] <bonsaitree> I have Wi-Fi speed problems in Ubuntu 16.04. The link acts like it's capped at 20 Mbit/s on Speedtests, but also the actual speed degradation is noticeable. There are frequent drops and link instability. How can i update the Wi-Fi drivers to the latest possible version? I have to notice that the tech guy has just changed the ONT, the problem fixed at the other PCs at home, but on mine it remained the same. Thanks in advance
[09:53] <bonsaitree> I have Wi-Fi speed problems in Ubuntu 16.04. The link acts like it's capped at 20 Mbit/s on Speedtests, but also the actual speed degradation is noticeable. There are frequent drops and link instability. How can i update the Wi-Fi drivers to the latest possible version? I have to notice that the tech guy has just changed the ONT, the problem fixed at the other PCs at home, but on mine it remained the same. Thanks in advance
[10:06] <hateball> bonsaitree: what chipset/driver are you using? lspci -k
[10:07] <hateball> oh, I see there is crossposting
[10:09] <bonsaitree> hateball:You've read it on #ubuntu?
[10:09] <hateball> bonsaitree: Yes, seems you are getting help already
[14:52] <Phantom18> good morning everyone. Is this the right place to get help for a Lubuntu installation issue?
[14:58] <Phantom18> Ok, I'll just put it out there. If during the non-graphical installation I mistakenly selected a non-graphical startup, how do I get back to starting Lubuntu in graphical mode?
[14:58] <Phantom18> I've tried reinstalling several times, but it always starts to the command line.
[15:10] <Phantom18> btw, the hdd is empty and I don't have to protect any data
[15:17] <leszek> Phantom18: you need a login manager installed like gdm, lightdm or sddm
[15:18] <leszek> I think by default lubuntu ships with lightdm
[15:19] <leszek> so installing lightdm-gtk-greeter should be enough for it to configure this as login manager
[15:22] <Phantom18> ok, I'll give that a try.
[15:32] <Phantom18> i installed lightdm, but even after that, it still booted to the command line.
[15:33] <Phantom18> I get the lubuntu screen with the 5 dots during boot, but then it reverts to the command line.  I'm not *that* familiar with linux but I have been using it for some time on other machines. this is the first installation issue I've come across.
[15:41] <Phantom18> i'm going to try the livecd installation again and see if there's anything I can do with the hdd partitions and get this thing wiped and reinstalled
[16:33] <Phantom18> I tried the livecd option and erased the old installation and reinstalled the new version.  That seemed to fix the graphical issue
[16:33] <Phantom18> however, my laptop goes into hibernate mode during boot.
[16:34] <Phantom18> a quick press of the power button fixes it, but i'm at a loss to what's causing it.
[17:37] <Alvin> Hi all.  I'm using terminator as my terminal emulator.  After upgrading to 17.04 I noticed that the red Terminal Titlebar has a weird white1 px border. Has anyone else experienced this?
[18:45] <mikato> hi
[18:46] <wxl> hi there
[18:47] <mikato> i am new to lubunu
[18:47] <mikato> but i like it
[18:51] <wxl> glad to hear it
[18:51] <wxl> !
[18:54] <mikato> i try install lubuntu on ol laptop, intel pentium 3 850 Mhz, 20GB hard drive, 512MB 100Mhz RAM, 16MB ATI grapgics card :)
[18:54] <mikato> withoy wifi
[18:54] <mikato> without wifi
[18:55] <mikato> from lubuntu-16.10-alternate-i386.iso


[01:11] <foo> I travel a lot. Looking to proxy via a socks/https proxy on one of my systems. Ideally I install a docker image and good to go. Tired of security checkpoints because I change locations so much (and I want this to be easy to set up for a couple other folks). Ideally user/pass auth. I think Squid is my only option, any other suggestions? I have a ubuntu server I thought I'd run a docker image on. I tried
[01:11] <foo> with squid but not much luck
[01:24] <tomreyn> foo: how about a vpn?
[01:25] <tomreyn> wg-quick is pretty easy - you just need to pass users a configuration file containing the secrets
[10:40] <coke> foo: https://www.privoxy.org/ is more of this century than squid
[10:41] <coke> but yea just getting a public vpn account that you can share on 5 devices or something is probably easier for normal people to use
[13:08] <Kilroy> how do you prevent sudo -s with out preventing sudo


[04:34] <somethinginteres> is a manual coming out for 10.10 or is the goal simply to have one ready for 11.04?
[04:35] <Muscovy> I'm not sure.
[04:35] <Muscovy> I believe it's hoped to have the 10.10 one ready soon.
[04:36] <somethinginteres> OK is there a page listing what is left to be done?
[04:36] <Muscovy> I don't know.
[04:38] <somethinginteres> no worries
[23:40] <Andre_Gondim> Hi, how I do a pdf from po file?


[02:47] <jcastro> omg
[06:36] <bkerensa> omg
[10:11] <popey> omg
[13:19] <vibhav> good morning
[16:09] <cjohnston> Ubuntu!
[18:39] <czajkowski> zomg
[20:25] <daker> czajkowski: Mint!
[20:25] <pleia2> mint is for mojitos
[20:27] <daker> pleia2: :)
[20:51] <daker> pleia2: thanks for the blog post :)
[20:54] <pleia2> daker: you're welcome, thanks for doing so much great work on the portal :)
[20:55] <daker> :)


[04:13] <Unit193> Uploaded new xfdashboard to Ubuntu.
[04:48] <Unit193> ...Not that anyone uses that.
[08:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: FYI: xfwm4 4.14.5-1 is very glitchy for me, see Debian #970398.  I'm testing http://paste.openstack.org/show/mGgShsTnSVLyBumaOhED


[01:04] <poningru> ...
[03:49] <poningru> rheeeeeeeeet
[04:53] <jhnjwng> hello
[04:55] <jhnjwng> bug #74576
[04:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74576 in firefox "crash [@nsWindowWatcher::OpenWindowJSInternal]  [@nsContentTreeOwner::ShowAsModal] [@nsXULWindow::ShowModal] " [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74576
[04:56] <jhnjwng> why is it  still in status of "Needs info"?
[05:07] <poningru> ...
[10:13] <AlexLatchford> *Yawns*
[01:37] <poningru> rheeeeeeeeeet
[02:29] <gnomefreak> is Html Validator <IP_ADDRESS> in the repos
[02:36] <gnomefreak> asac: did we push an update to edgys firefox into repos?
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok what time was agreed on? I keep seeing it get moved around. maybe we should start on the 26th instead of this monday? I need to contact him to set it up would like to do it before our spot gets taken (if we have a spot)
[03:44] <gnomefreak> do we have a tag for reading crash reports?
[04:40] <asac> mt-traced I guess ... maybe we should use mt-hasreport instead
[04:41] <gnomefreak> i have a few they ran dbg on it and got backtrace but couldnt find a tag to have someone read the backtrace
[04:41] <gnomefreak> we can worry about it monday :)
[04:42] <asac> yep ... I actually i used the traced tag when there was a valid trace/backport with symbols included
[05:22] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed  down to 25 :) it was at around 80-90ish iirc. taking break for a bit. sorry again for email flood
[05:31] <asac> good work :)
[05:31] <asac> are they all tagged?
[05:31] <asac> can you please tag as mt-needtestcase and mt-needtester too.
[05:31] <asac> ?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> i will as soon as im up to date on what they are ;)
[05:32] <asac> so you are at need summary / description stage?
[05:32] <asac> ok
[05:32] <gnomefreak> im trying to get info from them to start with
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: I went ahead and asked nixternal to put it on the Fridge
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: ty i couldnt find him when i was around
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: what time/date is it set for and has everyone agreed on it?
[05:33] <asac> on the fridge?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> i saw alot of changes to times so i got confused
[05:33] <asac> i don't know ... bug 2130 ... is pretty hard here :9
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Bug 2130 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2130 is private
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: 21.30 UTC. I figured half a day is enough time to disagrre with it
[05:33] <asac> oops
[05:33] <asac> 2130
[05:33] <asac> :)
[05:34] <asac> this monday is fine
[05:34] <asac> but maybe we can vary the hour a bit
[05:34] <gnomefreak> asac: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[05:35] <asac> ah ok
[05:35] <gnomefreak> here is the meetings page http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[05:36] <Admiral_Chicago> breakfast. I should hear back from Richard soon
[05:36] <gnomefreak> if 21:30 isnt good we need to get a good time before it can be put on fridge or we will miss our own meeting
[05:37] <asac> this monday its fine
[05:37] <gnomefreak> 21:30 ok?
[05:38] <asac> but yeah
[05:38] <asac> pretty late
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: david said it was fine, that's okay with me, Alex can make it.
[05:38] <asac> i might skip at some point
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ohh, right well this one will be informal asac
[05:38] <gnomefreak> define formal and informal
[05:38] <gnomefreak> imho a meeting is a meeting
[05:39] <gnomefreak> anyway i have to get moving ill be back later
[05:39] <asac> cu
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> i have to eat as well
[06:30] <AlexLatchford> going to burn an ISO and test it out, may update later on tomorrow
[06:37] <Admiral_Chicago> wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4
[06:37] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a test page on there
[06:39] <AlexLatchford> yeah Herd4 was released a few days ago
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> no, there is a page to look at...to see if it installed properly
[06:39] <AlexLatchford> dfarning: https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-bugs the description on this page still has a spelling mistake in the mailing list
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[06:39] <AlexLatchford> oh ok
[06:53] <dfarning> AlexLatchford,  thanks  --fixed
[08:18] <poningru> what we gonna do today brain?
[09:05] <poningru> hey guys
[09:05] <poningru> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/<IP_ADDRESS>-candidates/rc4
[09:05] <poningru> latest respin with all the stuff
[09:26] <gnomefreak> i want tb <IP_ADDRESS> :(
[09:27] <dfarning> I want a pony:)
[09:27] <gnomefreak> asac: hes right looks like a point release for 2.0
[09:27] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:27] <dfarning> do we have a date for tb 2.0
[09:29] <gnomefreak> no afaik there was alot holding it back but no ETA yet just first quarter
[09:30] <dfarning> gnomefreak, have you thought about renaming firefox package back to mozilla-firefox
[09:30] <gnomefreak> poningru: i will talk to asac monday about it
[09:30] <gnomefreak> dfarning: cant tehre is a mozilla-firefox already
[09:30] <gnomefreak> there*
[09:31] <gnomefreak> same versions not real sure what the difference is
[09:31] <dfarning> mozilla-firefox is a transitional package when we rename to firefox for branding reasons
[09:31] <dfarning> now we can change back
[09:32] <dfarning> I'l post on agenda for discussion
[09:32] <poningru> gnomefreak: .10?
[09:32] <poningru> .9 candidacy is available
[09:33] <gnomefreak> .10 should be out soon
[09:33] <poningru> oh right
[09:33] <poningru> hmm they havent even tried packaging it yet
[09:33] <poningru> hold on I'll ask
[09:33] <gnomefreak> when it is i can build it but until than im stuck on that. waiting for info on maintainer once i get that i should have -snapshot releases
[09:34] <gnomefreak> poningru: upstream hasnt spun them yet
[09:34] <poningru> yeah I know
[09:34] <poningru> asking neil about it
[09:34] <poningru> he's sleeping now will bug later
[09:35] <gnomefreak> poningru: we have upstream guy in this channel :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> rhelmer: you around?
[09:35] <poningru> oh hehe
[09:36] <poningru> hmm
[09:36] <poningru> I didnt know rhelmer was working on tb stuff
[09:36] <gnomefreak> hes upstream mozilla not really tb or ff iirc
[09:36] <poningru> he is afk
[09:36] <poningru> ah yeah thats right
[09:36] <poningru> he is build
[09:38] <poningru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU
[09:40] <gnomefreak> whos using feisty?
[09:41] <poningru> not I :(
[09:41] <poningru> my lappy cant use the alternative cd or the desktop cd
[09:41] <gnomefreak> poningru: will you go to a link for me :)
[09:41] <poningru> sure
[09:42] <poningru> you want it in ff 2.0? gp? or minefield?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy
[09:42] <gnomefreak> 20
[09:42] <gnomefreak> oopps both
[09:42] <poningru> oh k
[09:42] <gnomefreak> 2.0 and 3.0 if you have it
[09:42] <gnomefreak> looking for crash
[09:42] <gnomefreak> let me know if you end up with report in /var/crash
[09:42] <poningru> no crash but I have noscript
[09:42] <poningru> should i turn off extensions?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> yes try it
[09:43] <dfarning> been using feisty daily since herd 3
[09:43] <poningru> dfarning: me too on my server
[09:43] <gnomefreak> dfarning: try that link please. i crash on it but no apport crash report :(
[09:43] <dfarning> much more stable on my new laptop;)
[09:43] <poningru> can you believe that the mysql server does not allow freakin root??? I'm like wtf
[09:44] <poningru> gnomefreak: no crash on 3.0
[09:44] <dfarning> gnomefreak, will do
[09:44] <poningru> this is edgy
[09:44] <gnomefreak> it seems to be that persons blog
[09:44] <gnomefreak> http://www.wretch.cc/blog  == no crash
[09:45] <dfarning> it closed my browser without a report!
[09:46] <poningru> hmm no crash on 3.0 weird
[09:47] <gnomefreak> not weird at all
[09:47] <gnomefreak> no crash on edgy either?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> poningru: do you have flash and java enabled?
[09:48] <poningru> no
[09:48] <poningru> no plugins
[09:48] <dfarning> I have both flash and java
[09:48] <gnomefreak> poningru: can you install flash and try it than install java and try it?
[09:48] <poningru> :(
[09:48] <gnomefreak> im betting there is some sort of JS on her/his blog
[09:48] <gnomefreak> poningru: wait i have edgy chroot
[09:49] <poningru> YAAH
[09:49] <poningru> its not js
[09:49] <gnomefreak> i can try it. but need atleast  a test for 3.0 with flash9 and java (if someone has a 3.0 fully stocked
[09:49] <gnomefreak> poningru: what is it?
[09:49] <poningru> cause with/without no-script it doesnt crash
[09:50] <poningru> so its gotta be the flash or java
[09:50] <gnomefreak> i will run backtrace.  (Thunderbird)"
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:05] <gnomefreak> looks like a totem crash
[10:05] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so: undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit
[10:06] <gnomefreak> i think i have totem-xine maybe it needs something else?
[10:06] <poningru> ah yeah there was a wmv plugin prompt
[10:07] <poningru> w32codecs
[10:07] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:07] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[10:08] <gnomefreak> poningru: yes i know all that and i have them already
[10:08] <poningru> hmm
[10:08] <gnomefreak> poningru: not using gstreamer so wont use w32codecs :)
[10:08] <poningru> eew why not?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> poningru: im using -xine engine
[10:08] <poningru> ah
[10:08] <gnomefreak> totem-xine :)
[10:08] <poningru> ah I see that
[10:09] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit
[10:09] <poningru> switch to mplayer-plugin for wmv then
[10:17] <gnomefreak> more python updates :(
[10:17] <gnomefreak> david i am thinking about closing that bug since its the site not firefox
[10:24] <gnomefreak> sob
[10:25] <dfarning> gnomefreak, sorry I wasn't following
[10:25] <gnomefreak> dfarning: the crash bug on that blog link i gave was due to a file on the site
[10:26] <dfarning> How can a file crash a browser?
[10:26] <dfarning> was it media player related
[10:27] <gnomefreak> yes wmv file
[10:27] <dfarning> fx _should_ handle wmv more gracefully then to shut down;(
[10:28] <gnomefreak> dfarning: should yes but cant if you dont have the right codecs/player-plugins to veiw the restricted format
[10:29] <dfarning> gnomefreak, was it the media player that died bringing down fx or did fx die
[10:29] <dfarning> should be able to tell from the stack trace
[10:29] <gnomefreak> never got to play it. it tried to play it than poof (seems the site forces you to try and play it)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> this is bad
[10:31] <dfarning> Let's ask asac to show us how to run gdb correctly and study the result together
[10:31] <gnomefreak> give me a few i found a dupe of that bug from the backtrace
[10:31] <dfarning> ok
[10:32] <gnomefreak> another what looks like totem crashing ff
[10:32] <dfarning> do you have a like to that bug?
[10:33] <gnomefreak> lol no not at all it was one that crashed for me so i work on it :)
[10:34] <dfarning> s/link/like/
[10:35] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/85198
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85198 in firefox "[Feisty]  FireFox crashes on trying to open http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cinphy" [Medium,Needs info]
[10:35] <gnomefreak> im gonna tryu a few more backtraces on it
[10:36] <crimsun> gnomefreak: we have a breakdown of how to process apport's dumps, correct?
[10:36] <crimsun> (someone in -bugs is inquiring)
[10:36] <gnomefreak> with differnet options being ran.
[10:37] <gnomefreak> you would have to know how to read a stacktrace for most part. unless he means apport-retrace
[10:37] <gnomefreak> than its a bit more work
[10:37] <crimsun> the latter
[10:37] <dfarning> crimsun, what do you mean by breakdown
[10:38] <crimsun> 16:34 < cowbud> is there a run down somewhere on using apport and all the files it produces?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> yeah kind of we are still working out the details on it (edgys apport is not good to run them with)
[10:38] <gnomefreak> it errors
[10:39] <dfarning> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport?highlight=%28CategoryMozillaTeam%29
[10:39] <dfarning> is a link to how we are using hooks
[10:39] <gnomefreak> also edgys repos are not up to date so using the -d flag may not do it right eother
[10:41] <dfarning> crimsun, I could email you the issues we have come across with apport and apport-retace
[10:42] <dfarning> don't want to sound like we are whining but we do have some constructive feedback.
[10:43] <crimsun> if you've been in contact with Martin regarding said issues, then that's probably better
[10:43] <gnomefreak> we have
[10:43] <dfarning> Yes, all conversation has been with martin or on -dev
[10:43] <gnomefreak> just waiting for him to get time to work on it afaik
[10:45] <gnomefreak> dfarning: im working on the normal way peopel should run backtraces if it produces more info as i think it will we need to update our wiki to run it like this
[10:45] <gnomefreak> setting all the gdb options
[10:47] <dfarning> gnomefreak, ty
[10:47] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:49] <dfarning> Im not sure but to be as useful as possiable I belive that retrace -d needs to be  run in a chroot with all version matching the orginal reporters versions
[10:49] <gnomefreak> dfarning: if martins repo was up-to-date we could
[10:50] <gnomefreak> he only has symbols for ff-2.0+0dfsg...
[10:50] <gnomefreak> we could really use thunderbird-dbg or -dbgsym
[10:50] <gnomefreak> martins feisty repo has it but not edgy
[10:50] <dfarning> do we need to work to insure that -dbg ware present for all of our packages
[10:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:51] <gnomefreak> and depends
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i suggest (dont know how much work it will be) but i think we need to hold our own repo of dbg or dbgsym packages so we know they are up to date as we update a package we can update the -dbg. but apport looks to martins repo only
[10:52] <dfarning> put it on my task list
[10:52] <gnomefreak> so if we make -dbg we cant use the -d flash
[10:52] <gnomefreak> flag
[10:53] <gnomefreak> -d flag downloads -dbgsym from martins repo
[10:53] <dfarning> I thought -d grabbed -sbgsym from a repos in sources
[10:54] <dfarning> s/a/all
[10:55] <gnomefreak> we dont have them in normal repos dbgsym is only in his repos i thought
[10:56] <gnomefreak> it seems gdb cant run firefox :(
[10:57] <dfarning> since apport is a ubuntu wide tools would it make since to set globel standard to build -dbgsym across all packages and stick them in a repo
[11:01] <gnomefreak> would have to ask martin but im 90% sure it uses his repo
[11:03] <gnomefreak> how do i look up error codes for firefox?
[11:04] <dfarning> no idea
[11:04] <dfarning> will look at martins repo
[11:05] <gnomefreak> dfarning: if you dont have his repo enabled just apt-cache search firefox and it wont list the -dbgsym unless its in one of ubuntu repos
[11:06] <dfarning> dfarning@dfarning-laptop:~$ apt-cache search firefox
[11:06] <dfarning> epiphany-browser - Intuitive GNOME web browser
[11:06] <dfarning> firefox - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[11:06] <dfarning> firefox-dbg - debugging symbols for firefox
[11:06] <gnomefreak> the way i did it doesnt give any more info that makes me think ff isnt crashes
[11:07] <gnomefreak> dfarning: you dont see -dbgsym files though
[11:07] <gnomefreak> only -dbg
[11:08] <dfarning> lets push it off to the correct media player
[11:08] <gnomefreak> and just that file isnt enough to get a good retrace you need to set up exactly what the user had (not as easy as it seems without the -dbgsym files
[11:09] <dfarning> totem-mozilla?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> cant yet dont know what the users have (mostlikely totem-gstreamer but hell im using totem-xine)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> and its crashing here
[11:09] <gnomefreak> closing
[11:09] <gnomefreak> no backtrace is able to be gotten so im assuming its closing not crashing
[11:10] <dfarning> where is martins repo?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> willing to bet if they install mplayer with w32codecs and use it as default it will work fine but i cant say use w32codecs
[11:10] <dfarning> i agree
[11:11] <gnomefreak> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs feisty main universe
[11:11] <dfarning> ty
[11:11] <gnomefreak> im gonna add multiverse and restricted to that
[11:11] <gnomefreak> see what i get than if anything more
[11:12] <gnomefreak> dfarning: yeah add restricted and mulitverse to that
[11:12] <gnomefreak> multiverse even
[11:13] <dfarning> ok
[11:13] <gnomefreak> crimsun: can you look at a bug or 2 for me :( i attached gdb output not really alot though
[11:15] <dfarning> http://lwn.net/Articles/201302/ good article on ddebs!
[11:21] <gnomefreak> yeah but i think he got busy with feisty stuff and hasnt had a chance to update his repos in a while but he is aware of the issues last i heard
[11:22] <dfarning> the bit i am concered about is not keeping old version
[11:22] <dfarning> don't we need them
[11:22] <dfarning> ?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> we do
[11:22] <gnomefreak> to retrace fx2.0+0dfsg... you need that version of fx
[11:23] <gnomefreak> that was in edgy latest edgy is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:23] <dfarning> We could request that old firefox -dgsym be retained
[11:24] <gnomefreak> im happy with martins repos only issue is there is few fx and tb stuff including flash-dbgsym
[11:24] <dfarning> is the build system sticking the -dbgsym in his repo or is he doing it him self?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> so it needs major overhaul if we are gonna use it. if you run the -d flag it gives you lib... cant be found lib... cant be found for a bunch of libs we need dbgsym for to beable to get all symbols
[11:27] <dfarning> could you put together an email about what you need/would like I'll turn it in to a spec or bring it up on -dev
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dont know what their plan is but atm its using martins repos is all i know and we need to get some more  in there to aid us in getting good stacktraces. hj... is going to an outside place to grab -dbg symbols to get his reports more or less full. but i dont see it being effeciant
[11:27] <gnomefreak> dfarning: that is a huge list. im not sure exactly what libs are needed i can really only give you like tb-dbgsym and flash-dbgsym java-dbgsym
[11:28] <gnomefreak> but there are libs that are needed but either versions dont match or there are none. i can give you the report i got from apport and add those to the list but thats about it
[11:29] <dfarning> gnomefreak, was not thinking list rather over view of current failings and how to fix them;)
[11:30] <gnomefreak> i will start with what we need in the way of dbg/dbgsym packages that apport complains about but i cant tell you what package lib... belongs to
[11:31] <dfarning> ty
[11:31] <gnomefreak> and not sure if they are directly or indirectly related to add-ons themes or what not
[11:31] <gnomefreak> after my smoke ill start on it and send it to the ML
[11:32] <dfarning> sould good, I needs to leave for dinner before I get in trouble;)
[11:32] <dfarning> s/sould/sounds/
[11:35] <gnomefreak> cu
[12:04] <gnomefreak> dfarning: when you get back its sent to ML and im off most likely for the night. reply to ML just incase power goes out :( and i will check in morning. Thank you for looking into this further