[03:50] <Ark74> hello! great night!
[03:52] <Ark74> I've seen that the network-manager package for Xenial is signed using this key:
[03:52] <Ark74> pub   4096R/F0210224A744BE93 2014-06-16 [revocada: 2016-08-16] | uid    Marc Deslauriers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:53] <Ark74> but that key has being revoked
[03:56] <Ark74> I get: gpgv: Signature made Fri Nov  2 13:52:40 2018 CST using RSA key ID A744BE93
[03:56] <Ark74> gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found
[03:57] <Ark74> would this count as a bug?
[04:02] <valorie> xenial?
[04:02] <valorie> is that still supported?
[04:02] <Unit193> For 557 more days.
[04:02] <valorie> if so, I would get so
[04:02] <valorie> guess!
[04:21] <Ark74> So, if it is so, I need to fill a bug, right?
[05:44] <valorie> Ark74: easiest way to file a bug report is in the commandline: ubuntu-bug network-manager
[05:45] <valorie> and then just follow the prompts
[05:45] <valorie> you can mark it security because it is
[05:46] <alkisg> Hi, snapd doesn't run in the new ltsp, with "cannot create lock directory /run/snapd/lock: permission denied". I'm thinking it might be related to the writable overlay root that ltsp uses:
[05:46] <alkisg> 29 0 0:25 / / rw,relatime shared:1 - overlay overlay rw,lowerdir=/root,upperdir=/run/initramfs/ltsp/up,workdir=/run/initramfs/ltsp/work
[05:46] <alkisg> That /root there comes from: nfsroot=server:/srv/ltsp/images mounts the images directory, and ltsp then loop-mounts a squashfs.img file inside it, and applies a  tmpfs overlay over it
[05:46] <alkisg> What can I do in the LTSP code to help snapd detect IsRootWritableOverlay() or whatever else it needs?
[07:06] <infinity> alkisg: /run should be a tmpfs, not just a directory on your root overlay.
[08:32] <cjwatson> Ark74: It's not a bug that source packages uploaded years ago were signed with keys that have since expired.  The security model for fetching packages doesn't depend on developer signatures; rather, developer signatures authenticate uploads to the archive, and then the archive is signed (starting with the signature in the InRelease file) and apt trusts that.
[08:33] <cjwatson> Ark74: We aren't in general going to go round reuploading source packages to old releases of Ubuntu just to provide a new developer signature.
[08:35] <cjwatson> (expired or revoked, either way)
[08:54] <alkisg> infinity: /run is a tmpfs created by initramfs-tools; I'm putting my mount in /run/initramfs as systemd has this path hardcoded and doesn't unmount it on shutdown, as it does for other paths
[08:54] <alkisg> It's supposed to be the correct path for initramfs-tools and dracut to mount their file systems, except for root, of course
[08:56] <alkisg> I don't think the /run path is related though, as the previous ltsp also used /run and didn't have issues with snap; but it was using nbd, not loopback over nfs (we changed to that as it's a lot more stable)
[08:58] <alkisg> Ah btw, I believe /run/snapd is using mount namespaces or something else, and it appears with different permissions for each app or each user (I'm not using snap so I don't know the details)
[08:59] <alkisg> And maybe this has some issues with overlayfs, and maybe IsRootWritableOverlay() function is trying to apply some heuristics to work around those issues, and fails to catch the loopback over nfs case...
[15:38] <Ark74> cjwatson, oh, ok.  I need to study more the apt/gpg trust mechanism, thanks for the clarification.
[18:31] <infinity> alkisg: You misunderstood.  I don't mean the run in the initrd that has your mountpoints, I mean the /run in the running system should be a tmpfs mounted at /run :P
[18:32] <infinity> (Not confusing at all)
[18:32] <alkisg> infinity: the initramfs moves /run to the real file system, so  it's the same thing
[18:33] <infinity> alkisg: Well, overlayfs shouldn't be in play at all then?
[18:35] <alkisg> infinity: initramfs mounts proc, sys, dev, run, and root; the script/init-bottom/ltsp code loop-mounts /root/squashfs.img to /run/initramfs/blah, and creates a tmpfs there for up/work etc, and mounts the result with overlayfs in /root
[18:36] <alkisg> Then control goes back to initramfs-tools, which calls pivot_root to /root
[18:36] <alkisg> It's the same thing that casper does for live CDs, except now it comes from nfs
[18:37] <alkisg> I see that snap has code to special-case some overlayfs file systems, so maybe it would need to add ltsp there, but I don't know the logic so I'm not sure
[18:38] <alkisg> That's why I was looking for some guidance, to avoid spending e.g. a week understanding how snap works and why it special-cases overlayfs rootfs...
[18:38] <infinity> alkisg: Right, what I'm saying is that if your /run is a tmpfs pivoted from the initrd, then overlayfs is irrelevant, at least for the error you were talking about.
[18:38] <alkisg> infinity: the problem is /, not /run
[18:38] <alkisg> Hrm
[18:38] <infinity> "/run/snapd/lock: permission denied"?
[18:39] <alkisg> Or maybe you're right, and I'm looking in an unrelated part
[18:39] <alkisg> But then I've no idea why snapd doesn't like ltsp
[18:39] <alkisg> We're not doing anything more than that overlay
[18:40] <alkisg> The permission denied is probably due to mount namespaces
[18:40] <alkisg> But I don't know how these work, how per-user or per-app namespaces are handled
[18:40] <alkisg> And why they break in ltsp :/


[00:20] <godbyk> dutchie: you still around?
[00:21] <dutchie> yep
[00:22] <dutchie> can I give you the command? I don't have a copy of the branch handy
[00:22] <godbyk> Sure.
[00:22] <godbyk> I'm just going through the bugs in launchpad to make sure I haven't missed any big ones.
[00:22] <godbyk> but then I'll generate the pot file.
[00:23] <godbyk> what do I have to do to 1. generate the pot file; 2. ensure the pot file doesn't vary too much from the previous that it wipes out massive amounts of translated test; 3. get it into launchpad/rosetta; and 4. duck anything translators may throw at me?
[00:24] <dutchie> po4a --no-translations -MUTF-8 -v --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name=ubuntu-manual --package-version=`bzr revno` po4a.conf
[00:24] <dutchie> that'll regenerate everything that needs regenerating
[00:24] <godbyk> okay
[00:24] <godbyk> it knows where to put the pot file and whatnot?
[00:24] <dutchie> yes
[00:24] <godbyk> then I just commit the updated pot file to the branch?
[00:25] <dutchie> use bzr diff (wise to pipe into less) to check that nothing obvious has gone first
[00:25] <godbyk> sure
[00:31] <godbyk> dutchie: running po4a now.  we'll see how this goes!
[00:31] <dutchie> may take a while
[00:32] <godbyk> dutchie: that just changed the .po files.  didn't touch the .pot file.
[00:33] <dutchie> hmm
[00:33] <dutchie> did you change translator visible content?
[00:34] <godbyk> dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/415852/
[00:34] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, I changed the text of a handful of paragraphs.
[00:34] <dutchie> hmm
[00:35] <dutchie> seeing as it is 00:34, I'm tempted to say just change it by hand
[00:35] <dutchie> then run po4a again so all the po files are updated
[00:36]  * godbyk has no idea what any of that means.
[00:36] <godbyk> :)
[00:37] <godbyk> I don't really understand the process.
[00:37] <dutchie> fire up your favourite editor and change the strings directly in po/ubuntu-manual.pot
[00:38] <godbyk> I thought that we generate a new .pot file. the pot file gets committed to the branch.  launchpad reads the new pot file. launchpad updates the translations stuff. then we can pull new po files from launchpad as translators fix the strings and translate new strings.
[00:38] <dutchie> that is the process
[00:38] <dutchie> but po4a is throwing a hissy fit
[00:39] <dutchie> so I'm suggesting we generate the pot file by hand
[00:39] <godbyk> hmm..
[00:39] <godbyk> okay.
[00:39] <godbyk> when was the pot last generated?
[00:40] <godbyk> (so I can see how far back to diff the branch.)
[00:40]  * godbyk thinks this is starting to get hairy.
[00:40] <dutchie> dunno
[00:40] <dutchie> read the log
[00:40] <godbyk> The Project-Id-Version line in the pot file says 772.. I'm guessing that's the rev.
[00:41] <dutchie> aha, knew there was a point in that line :)
[00:42] <godbyk> :-)
[00:44] <dutchie> how confident are you of not making a mess of this?
[00:46] <godbyk> dutchie: lol.. I'll let you know.  I'm editing the pot file now.
[00:46] <dutchie> it's just I'd quite like to go to bed
[00:47] <godbyk> lol
[00:48] <godbyk> well, I can leave it for you to handle in the morning, if that's better.
[00:48] <godbyk> there are a bunch of changes in the diff that don't apply to the pot file. (like .po files and title page svgs and whatnot)
[00:48] <dutchie> yeah
[00:48] <godbyk> right now I'm just looking at the diff in vim.
[00:49] <godbyk> If you have time in the morning, I'll just leave it for you to handle.
[00:49] <dutchie> will do
[00:49] <godbyk> I should still be around then.
[00:49] <godbyk> awesome.
[00:49]  * dutchie wonders how long it'll take for rhythmbox to compile
[00:50] <godbyk> my computer keeps running out of memory.. I need to close some browser tabs, I think.
[00:50] <dutchie> and whether my netbook or the launchpad ppa buildds will finish first
[00:50] <godbyk> (and then build a new computer. :-()
[00:51] <dutchie> right, bed
[00:51] <dutchie> night
[01:00] <godbyk> g'night
[01:34] <Daker> godbyk, ping
[01:35] <Daker> check that http://code.google.com/p/gummi/
[01:35] <godbyk> Daker: pong
[01:36] <godbyk> Daker: cool
[01:36] <Daker> very usefull for begineers
[01:38] <godbyk> I know that humphreybc was wanting to look into writing an editor that we can use for our project.
[01:38] <godbyk> Something that would make it easier for people to write latex code without having to deal with the code itself.
[01:38] <Daker> yes
[01:39] <Daker> you can give it a test ?
[01:44] <Daker> http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/
[02:25] <humphreybc> http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/
[02:28] <Daker> hi humphreybc
[02:28] <humphreybc> hey Daker
[02:28] <humphreybc> Gummi looks fantastic
[02:28] <humphreybc> i'm just installing it now, great find!
[02:28] <Daker> thanks
[02:29] <humphreybc> Daker, i'd like to put this video on the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6PWEGb9o6c
[02:29] <humphreybc> I'm thinking either the bottom of the "About" page
[02:29] <humphreybc> OR the top of the "Get Involved" page
[02:29] <humphreybc> what do you think?
[02:30] <Daker> euh
[02:31] <Daker> About page
[02:32] <humphreybc> okay
[02:32] <humphreybc> bottom of the about page, in the middle
[02:33] <humphreybc> It would be better if you could embed it and host it on our server, instead of just embedding the youtube video
[02:33] <humphreybc> then we don't get the ads and the copyright restrictions
[02:33] <Daker> i'll do
[02:34] <humphreybc> :)
[02:34] <humphreybc> I'll put the source video on my server
[02:34] <humphreybc> there will be another video for the Contributors page
[02:35] <godbyk> okay, the translations should be using the new thorwil-customized title pages (if they exist).  if they don't exist, it'll fall back on the English title page for now.
[02:36] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-advert.mp4 should do the trick
[02:36] <humphreybc> godbyk, nice
[02:36] <humphreybc> godbyk, did you see the ad?
[02:36] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah.
[02:36] <humphreybc> thoughts?
[02:36] <Daker> flash can't mp4 i think
[02:36] <Daker> read*
[02:37] <godbyk> Daker: give me a moment, and I'll convert it to flash. my hosting provider has their own flash video thingy.
[02:37] <humphreybc> ok
[02:37] <humphreybc> you'll need to make it smaller
[02:37] <humphreybc> it's currently 720p so it'll need to be resized to fit into the content pane
[02:37] <humphreybc> if that's too much trouble I can have a look at rendering it smaller
[02:39] <godbyk> it'll resize it
[02:39] <godbyk> Daker: what size should we use?  there are some preset sizes I can choose from or we can specify our own custom size.
[02:39] <godbyk> here are the options:
[02:39] <godbyk> same as original
[02:40] <godbyk> 4:3: 160x120, 320x240, 480x360, 640x480
[02:40] <humphreybc> we'll want it 16:9
[02:41] <godbyk> widescreen: 360x240, 540x360, 720x480 (480p)
[02:41] <godbyk> then there are potrait (tall) sizes, too, but we probably don't want those.
[02:41] <Daker> godbyk, no ideas
[02:41] <humphreybc> lol
[02:41] <godbyk> 64, 96, or 128 kbit/s for audio?
[02:42] <humphreybc> daker, how wide is the content box?
[02:42] <godbyk> Daker: you have failed me! ;-)
[02:42] <humphreybc> 96 should work okay
[02:42] <humphreybc> i think 540x360 will fit
[02:42] <humphreybc> try 540x360 @ 96 kbit/s and we'll see how that works
[02:43] <godbyk> k
[02:43] <Daker> on the contributors page ?
[02:43] <humphreybc> nope
[02:43] <humphreybc> on the bottom of the about page
[02:44] <humphreybc> underneath the text "Click here to find out how you can get involved"
[02:44] <humphreybc> it should be centered
[02:44] <godbyk> I've submitted it for conversion.
[02:44] <godbyk> They'll email me when it's done.
[02:44] <humphreybc> neat
[02:44] <godbyk> humphreybc: your upload speeds are horrible. :)
[02:45]  * humphreybc is installing Gummi but it requires a tonne of dependencies
[02:45] <humphreybc> godbyk, haha yes I know
[02:45] <Daker> Oh
[02:45] <humphreybc> how fast is it going?
[02:45] <godbyk> 75 K/s
[02:45] <humphreybc> that's not too bad!
[02:45] <humphreybc> 5 K/s would be horrible
[02:46] <godbyk> Takes 3.5 minutes to nab that 16 MB file.
[02:46] <godbyk> normally it'd take just a few seconds for me to download that much. :)
[02:46] <humphreybc> lol
[02:46] <humphreybc> boo hoo
[02:46] <Daker> humphreybc, 540x360 should be great
[02:46] <humphreybc> you'll have to download a 100mb file from the server in the next few days
[02:47] <humphreybc> daker, excellent!
[02:47] <godbyk> it's done
[02:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, can you stick it on your server and embed it in the page without having to put it in the branch?
[02:47] <godbyk> Daker, humphreybc: I emailed you the details on embedding it in the site.
[02:47] <Daker> oki
[02:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: nope 'cause it'll get overwritten when the branch updates (every 10 minutes)
[02:48] <godbyk> lemme know if you hit any snags.
[02:48] <humphreybc> ok
[02:48] <humphreybc> i'm not embedding it, daker is!
[02:49] <Daker> in the next 48hours
[02:49] <humphreybc> whoops i emailed it to daker again
[02:49] <humphreybc> lol
[02:49] <humphreybc> it reckons i need flash player to watch it
[02:49] <humphreybc> but YouTube and other flash things work fine
[02:50] <humphreybc> oh no there it goes
[02:50] <humphreybc> is that really widescreen?
[02:51] <godbyk> it's widescreen, but not 16:9, apparently.
[02:51] <humphreybc> lol okay
[02:51] <humphreybc> the proportions are screwed
[02:51] <godbyk> if someone gives me better dimensions I can reprocess it.
[02:52] <humphreybc> can you do a custom one?
[02:52] <humphreybc> okay
[02:52] <godbyk> sure.
[02:52] <humphreybc> try 640 x 360
[02:53] <godbyk> as long as it'll fit in the website width.
[02:54] <humphreybc> it should do
[02:54] <humphreybc> that should be just about perfect
[02:55] <humphreybc> ugh
[02:56] <godbyk> 'kay. it's converting now
[02:56] <humphreybc> Gummi depends on texlive
[02:56] <humphreybc> so we'd have to change it/repackage it to work with our version of latex
[02:56] <humphreybc> no wonder it was taking so long to download dependencies
[02:58] <godbyk> humphreybc, Daker: I've emailed you the new video stuff.
[02:59] <humphreybc> that's much better
[02:59] <godbyk> if we're aiming to use gummi for our manual, we'd probably want a custom build anyway. we don't want folks using the low-level bold, italics, etc. commands, for instance.
[02:59] <godbyk> (or at least, only in rare circumstances.)
[02:59] <humphreybc> indeed
[03:00] <humphreybc> we can look into that for the future
[03:01] <godbyk> we should also look at improving the translation process.
[03:02] <humphreybc> yea
[03:02] <humphreybc> so much to do!
[03:04] <godbyk> humphreybc: absolutely.
[03:04] <godbyk> Daker: did you figure out how to embed the video on the site? run into any problems?
[03:05] <Daker> don't worry
[03:05] <Daker> ;)
[03:06] <Daker> i'll use this player http://www.osflv.com/Demonstration.html
[03:07] <godbyk> Daker: what's wrong with the existing player?
[03:07] <humphreybc> nice, that's pretty
[03:08] <humphreybc> It's not open source?
[03:08] <Daker> this one http://www.osflv.com/Demonstration.html ?
[03:08] <godbyk> hmm.. the osflv one hates me, apparently.
[03:09] <godbyk> it's not actually playing the video.
[03:09] <godbyk> (I'm using Chrome)
[03:09] <godbyk> is it working for you guys or is it just me?
[03:09] <humphreybc> yeah working for me
[03:09] <humphreybc> i'm on chrome
[03:09] <godbyk> figures! :)
[03:09] <humphreybc> works well, even
[03:11] <Daker> godbyk, simply jwplayer is not opensource
[03:12]  * Daker is tired
[03:13] <humphreybc> godbyk, daker, after we take the countdown placeholder off the main page, where are we going to put links to our Facebook/Twitter etc?
[03:14]  * Daker is thinking
[03:15] <humphreybc> We could just a have a small horizontal list of them at the bottom of the finished index page
[03:18] <godbyk> okay, I restarted chrome and the flash player works now, but it's jerky. :-/
[03:18] <godbyk> the jwplayer one is working okay, though.
[03:18] <godbyk> not sure what's up.
[03:21] <godbyk> Hey, Daker.  In the current countdown site, I'm getting a bunch of errors like these in the error log file:
[03:21] <godbyk> [Fri Apr 16 19:00:29 2010] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  quickshot in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual/website/daker-countdown/includes/structure.php on line 89, referer: http://ubuntu-manual.org/contributors
[03:21] <godbyk> [Fri Apr 16 19:00:29 2010] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  contributors in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual/website/daker-countdown/includes/structure.php on line 90, referer: http://ubuntu-manual.org/contributors
[03:22] <godbyk> just wanted to give you a heads-up.
[03:22] <godbyk> brb
[03:28] <Daker> thanks
[03:28] <Daker> night all
[03:28] <Daker> see you in few hours
[03:29] <humphreybc> night!
[03:33] <humphreybc> godbyk i've added a couple new items to the agenda for this meeting
[03:33] <humphreybc> have a look, and a hard think, see if you can come up with anything else we need to discuss
[03:33] <godbyk> back now
[03:34] <godbyk> 'kay, lemme look.
[03:35] <godbyk> We should probably discuss what's going to happen during the upcoming release.  The game plan.
[03:35] <godbyk> We also should talk about the second edition.. and start getting people working on that.
[03:35] <humphreybc> indeed
[03:35] <humphreybc> i'm just changing something
[03:35] <humphreybc> then you can add that :)
[03:35] <godbyk> 'kay.
[03:35] <godbyk> rats.  I'll be right back again.
[03:36] <humphreybc> lol ok
[03:36] <godbyk> (fixing dinner)
[03:36]  * humphreybc thought godbyk was hunting rats
[03:42] <godbyk> back again
[03:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: are you still editing the wiki?
[03:48] <humphreybc> nein
[03:48] <godbyk> k
[08:18] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[09:20] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can you please remove 01-live-cd-welcome<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:57] <c7p> hello, i am using the quickshot live cd as the quickshot user, the problem is that i can't find the installation icon so as i can take the needed screenshots
[09:57] <c7p> any idea?
[09:57] <ubuntujenkins> c7p it should load the installer when you choose the first item of the install screenshots
[10:01] <c7p> the problem is that i took 3-4 first screenshots and then i should choose a disk to make the installation. So i closed the windows to add a usb stick to choose it as the installation disk
[10:02] <c7p> is there any command that you can call the installation programm?
[10:02] <ubuntujenkins> this is the easiest way to fix it, alt + f2 and type ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui
[10:03] <c7p> nice, everything ok now
[10:03] <c7p> thank you
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> no problem
[10:38] <dutchie> morning
[10:39] <ubuntujenkins> moring dutchie
[10:39] <ubuntujenkins> *n
[13:30]  * humphreybc might have to catch a train from London to Brussels if this volcano keeps up!
[13:31] <dutchie> that's not that bad, and you definitely won't be alone
[13:31] <dutchie> i'm pretty sure at least popey is eurostarring it
[13:31] <humphreybc> yeah
[13:32] <humphreybc> i'll have to contact my travel agent if it doesn't look like it'll clear up
[13:32] <humphreybc> =\
[13:32] <humphreybc> i'd prefer the train
[13:32] <dutchie> how do you intend to get to london
[13:32] <humphreybc> means i could see more of europe
[13:32] <humphreybc> is heathrow closed?
[13:32] <dutchie> think so
[13:33] <popey> dutchie: i am
[13:33] <dutchie> pretty much all of northen europe was
[13:33] <humphreybc> bollocks
[13:33] <popey> the wiki details this
[13:33] <humphreybc> well, fingers crossed it gets better
[13:33] <popey> i cant see it going on that long
[13:33] <humphreybc> yeah, hopefully it won't
[13:33] <humphreybc> (mind you, we're not volcanologists :P )
[13:36] <humphreybc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yahooeditorspicks/galleries/72157623855495574/
[13:40] <humphreybc> just out of interest, how long does it take on the train?
[13:43] <popey> from london to brussels?
[13:43] <humphreybc> ya
[13:44] <daker> hi
[13:44]  * popey checks his itinerary
[13:44] <popey> 18:25 hrs
[13:44] <popey> 21:30 hrs
[13:44] <daker> humphreybc, you didn't sleep ?
[13:44] <popey> 2 hours
[13:44] <humphreybc> oh nice
[13:44] <humphreybc> daker, no i've been at work :)
[13:48] <daker> what do you think about Gummi ?
[13:49] <humphreybc> daker, it looks cool but I haven't installed it yet because it depends on texlive
[13:49] <daker> oki
[14:03] <daker> humphreybc, i have an idea for the social links
[14:03] <daker> we can put a dock menu at the right or the left
[14:03] <humphreybc> daker: cool, what is it?
[14:03] <humphreybc> a dock?
[14:03] <humphreybc> hmm
[14:03] <daker> one sec
[14:05] <daker> http://www.ndesign-studio.com/demo/css-dock-menu/css-dock.html
[14:06] <dutchie> that's quite cool
[14:06] <humphreybc> that's really cool
[14:06] <humphreybc> it uses CSS?
[14:06] <dutchie> JS
[14:06] <humphreybc> kay
[14:07] <dutchie> press the magic "view source" button :)
[14:07] <humphreybc> shutup
[14:07] <humphreybc> :)
[14:08] <humphreybc> it's neat, not sure how it would look on the right or left though. we can try it?
[14:08] <humphreybc> you'd have to turn the rollover zoom level down a bit :P
[14:08] <daker> oki
[14:09] <daker> this is just to give you an idea
[14:09] <humphreybc> and you'd need to find lovely icons for Facebook, Twitter, Identi.ca, Planet Ubuntu Manual, ubuntu.com and our wiki :)
[14:09] <humphreybc> yeah, sure. Well go for it, I think it's cool
[14:09] <humphreybc> probably on the right
[14:10] <humphreybc> and we don't want it detracting from the site links
[14:10] <daker> oki
[14:10] <daker> i see
[14:10] <humphreybc> dutchie, what's last.fm?
[14:10] <dutchie> music streaming recommendation
[14:10] <humphreybc> daker: yeah so the navigation site links like "About" "Get Involved" etc are more important than the dock links
[14:10] <dutchie> humphreybc: that was quick ;)
[14:11] <humphreybc> ah. Can't really do music streaming on my connection
[14:11] <humphreybc> doesn't work too good
[14:17] <daker> hey how to reinstall a task with tasksel ?
[16:14] <daker> thorwil, ping
[16:14] <thorwil> warg!
[16:14] <daker> i need a service
[16:15] <daker> i need icons for the website
[16:15] <daker> Wiki, Facebook, Ubuntu Manual Planet ,  Twitter , IRC , Mailing List
[16:15] <daker> icons pls
[16:16] <daker> 32*32
[16:16] <thorwil> daker: where would those show up?
[16:17] <daker> at the left of all the pages
[16:19] <thorwil> daker: i don't think such links should be present on all pages. after all, the main job of the website is surely not to send people elsewhere. especially not the wiki
[16:22] <thorwil> daker: on top of that, i don't think expressing Wiki, Planet, IRC and Mailing List as icons is a good idea. Facebook and Twitter are not in that list only because there are established (learned) icons for them
[16:22] <thorwil> vish: ^ would you agree?
[16:23] <daker> thorwil, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/17/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t03:13
[16:26] <ubuntujenkins> what about a more information page with them on?
[16:26] <thorwil> daker: the list at the bottom of http://ubuntu-manual.org/ is fine (except for the wrap on Ubuntu Manual Planet)
[16:27] <daker> possible
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> I think the website looks nice an minimal and icons would clutter it up
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> wow 11 days unitll the mnaual is released
[16:29] <daker> \o/
[16:30] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: does manualbot do a countdown for it yet?
[16:30] <thorwil> i won't create icons for them, because I see no way to make clear ones. icons where people can only guess are not nice and can only be excused in cases where there is not enough space for words
[16:31] <daker> thorwil, we will discuss this on the meeting
[16:32] <thorwil> daker: i won't be at the meeting, it's too late for me
[16:33] <daker> :s
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure how awake i will be fore the meeting, I can't think of what the icons would look like.
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> *for
[16:37] <daker> i'll make something for to night
[16:52] <godbyk-android> Internet is currently offline here. I'm trying to get it resolved, but if I can't, I may not make it to the meeting this afternoon.
[16:53] <godbyk-android> or I'll connect through my phone and just won't be taking much. :-)
[16:54] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no, but it shouldn't be too hard
[16:55] <godbyk-android> Hey, dutchie, did you get the translations updated?
[16:55] <dutchie> ooh, no
[16:55]  * dutchie does it
[16:56] <ubuntujenkins> feature request please dutchie
[16:57]  * godbyk-android is pondering how difficult it would be to root his phone and use it as a wireless access point.
[16:58] <godbyk-android> Not that it's connection is much better, apparently.
[17:03] <thorwil> http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/collaboration_made_simple_with_bracket_notation/
[17:10] <vish> thorwil: +1
[17:10] <vish> daker: if we are to use icons for those , we would need to use text to explain what the icons are and then having the icons becomes silly ;)
[17:10] <daker> yes yes i know
[17:10] <vish> thorwil: btw, why is the progress bar green on the left and red on the right?
[17:10] <daker> vish, that's me
[17:11] <vish> daker: the bar here http://ubuntu-manual.org/  ?
[17:11] <daker> yes
[17:11] <vish> daker: weird , might be better with the colors flipped :)
[17:11] <daker> if yes
[17:11] <thorwil> reminds me of peak meters
[17:12] <daker> thorwil, oki
[17:12] <thorwil> signal will be too hot once red is reached :)
[17:12] <vish> hehe , seems like a conky  ;)
[17:14] <thorwil> hmm, 11 days and there are rather few translations with significant progress
[17:15] <vish> for a few mins i was trying to figure out the clock and the time left :)
[17:16] <vish> then realized the clock might just be an icon ;)
[17:20] <daker> see you in the meeting
[17:30] <godbyk-android> Repair tech will be out wednesday afternoon.
[17:30] <godbyk-android> Not that it does me any good right now.
[17:30] <ubuntujenkins> thats a long time
[17:32] <godbyk-android> Yeah, and the internet will come back up on its own usually
[19:05] <godbyk> online again.
[19:05] <godbyk> we'll see how long it lasts.
[19:06] <thorwil> godbyk: welcome back. so what was with that Hulu thing?
[19:06] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I removed that file for you.
[19:06] <godbyk> thorwil: what hulu thing?
[19:07] <thorwil> godbyk: wrap-around cover
[19:07] <godbyk> thorwil: ah! lulu
[19:07] <godbyk> there's a calculator on their site.
[19:07] <godbyk> one moment
[19:08] <godbyk> thorwil: http://www.lulu.com/en/includes/calc_spine_inc.php?cid=us_bk
[19:10] <thorwil> godbyk: which binding? color? page count? standard grade paper?
[19:10] <godbyk> thorwil: yeah, I dunno yet.
[19:10] <thorwil> godbyk: the other question i had is if this would be english only
[19:11] <godbyk> my best guess is that it'll be 8.5x11, perfect bound, b&w, and standard grade paper.
[19:11] <godbyk> but I think we're going to decide on that during today's meeting.
[19:11] <thorwil> godbyk: if you make it to the meeting, you could also bring up the question of what should be on the backside
[19:12] <godbyk> Initially, it'll be just the English edition (since that's all we have right now). But we could do translated versions, too.
[19:12] <godbyk> thorwil: I'll do that (if my connection hangs in there)
[19:15] <thorwil> just added a note to the meeting agenda bout that
[19:16] <godbyk> thorwil: thanks
[20:52] <dutchie> godbyk: IT'S B0RKED
[20:52] <dutchie> FIX IT NOW
[20:54] <dutchie> godbyk: also, fix your intenet
[20:54] <godbyk_> dutchie: heh, I'm trying, believe it.  it's so frustrating!
[20:55] <godbyk_> I'm upstairs on my laptop leeching wifi from the neighbors now.
[20:55] <godbyk_> I asked the tech on the phone if they could replace my cable modem and also check the cable lines outside (as those are the only things they haven't done yet).
[20:55] <godbyk_> he said that they can't do that until the third tech has come out and worked on whatever.
[20:56] <godbyk_> he'll be here wednesday afternoon.
[20:56] <godbyk_> and I'm guessing that he'll simply cut the ends off the existing cables and replace them with new connectors (just like the previous two techs did).
[20:58] <dutchie> anyway, make: *** [main.pdf] Killed
[20:59] <godbyk> dutchie: Killed?  that's a new one.
[20:59] <dutchie> indeed :(
[20:59] <godbyk> it sounds like one of the processes died.
[21:00] <godbyk> have you ran 'make clean' and tried it again?
[21:00] <dutchie> yes
[21:00] <godbyk> what was the last thing it did before make gave up?
[21:00] <dutchie> pastebinning now
[21:00] <godbyk> k
[21:01] <dutchie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/416317/
[21:01] <godbyk> any bets on if/when humphreybc will show up? :)
[21:02] <godbyk> dutchie: that's weird.  run 'xelatex main' and see what it does.
[21:03] <dutchie> prints out a load of /usr/local/texlive/.../*.sty stuff then fails to find makecmds.sty
[21:04] <godbyk> dutchie: weird. run 'sudo tlmgr install makecmds'
[21:04] <godbyk> then try xelatex again.
[21:06] <dutchie> seems to be working
[21:06] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:06] <godbyk> looks like makecmds isn't in my install-pkgs.sh script as a prereq.
[21:06] <godbyk> I didn't realize we needed it.  I'll look into it.
[21:06] <godbyk> dutchie: have you looked into updating the pot file yet?
[21:07] <dutchie> it ran to completion (complaining about references)
[21:07] <dutchie> godbyk: yeah, I get an error about reading from a file without a name
[21:07] <godbyk> dutchie: cool.  'make clean; make' should work now, then.
[21:07] <dutchie> yes, it's going along happily now
[21:08] <godbyk> what's the command you used to get that error? I'll try it on my laptop.
[21:08] <dutchie> I've forgotten now
[21:08] <dutchie> I'm reduced to my netbook after my laptop PSU exploded in a fit of sparks and smoke
[21:08] <godbyk> lovely
[21:09] <dutchie> /bin/bash: makeglossaries: command not found
[21:10] <godbyk> dutchie: run the install-pkgs.sh script.
[21:10] <godbyk> sounds like you're missing a few things.
[21:10] <dutchie> also, in non UMP stuff, you wouldn't happen to know how to get epstopdf installed from upstream TL?
[21:10] <dutchie> I did run the script
[21:11] <godbyk> dutchie: "sudo tlmgr install epstopdf" might work.
[21:11] <godbyk> also "sudo tlmgr install makeglossaries" to install that.
[21:11] <dutchie> Checking for executable file xindy...not found.
[21:11] <dutchie> then it installed it
[21:12] <godbyk> dutchie: you may need to apt-get install perl-tk; sudo tlmgr --gui; Actions menu > Symlinks blahblah > Update symlinks
[21:16] <dutchie> doing it
[21:16] <godbyk> k
[21:19] <godbyk> brb. going to reconnect to my own wifi as it looks like that connections back up (for who knows how long)
[21:19] <godbyk> neighbor's wifi is pretty slow (from here)
[21:20] <godbyk__> back
[21:21] <dutchie> got enough underscores?
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for removing it godbyk
[21:22] <dutchie> godbyk: it got killed again
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> have i missed much?
[21:27] <dutchie> godbyk: did you get that?
[21:27] <godbyk> dutchie: did I get what?
[21:27] <dutchie> make getting killed again
[21:28] <godbyk> xelatex again?
[21:28] <godbyk> and if you run "xelatex main"?
[21:28] <dutchie> it got further this time
[21:29] <godbyk> where'd it die now? if you want, you can pastebin the .log file.
[21:32] <dutchie> godbyk: I don't have a .log file :)
[21:32] <dutchie> it's back to what it did before
[21:33] <dutchie> ooh, it got killed
[21:33] <godbyk> dutchie: does 'xelatex main' work?
[21:33] <dutchie> no
[21:33] <dutchie> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9995.2 (TeX Live 2009)
[21:33] <dutchie> Killed
[21:34] <godbyk> uhh...
[21:34] <godbyk> Killed by whom? Why?
[21:34] <dutchie> dunno
[21:35] <godbyk> dutchie: create a file with these four lines in it:
[21:35] <godbyk> \documentclass{article}
[21:35] <godbyk> \begin{document}
[21:35] <godbyk> Hello, world!
[21:35] <godbyk> \end{document}
[21:35] <godbyk> then run 'xelatex myfile.tex' and see if it works.
[21:35] <godbyk> (should generate myfile.pdf)
[21:36] <dutchie> killed
[21:38] <godbyk> dutchie: here's my wild-ass guess: the xelatex binary is screwed up somehow and is segfaulting (or something), which is being reported as the process being killed.
[21:38] <dutchie> sounds plausible
[21:39] <godbyk> dutchie: maybe try 'sudo tlmgr install --reinstall xelatex'
[21:40] <godbyk> make sure it using the right binary (for the proper platform)
[21:49] <dutchie> are we going in here or #ubuntu-meeting
[21:50] <dutchie> godbyk: package xelatex not present in package repository.
[21:50] <dutchie> according to sudo tlmgr install --reinstall xelatex
[21:51] <godbyk> dutchie: sorry.. xetex
[21:52] <dutchie> ok, it's got the right arch at least
[21:52] <godbyk> that's good.
[21:53] <godbyk> hopefully reinstalling it will work.
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> meeting in an hour right?
[22:01] <dutchie> godbyk: I think I've worked out the problem
[22:01] <dutchie> nothing to do with xelatex
[22:01] <dutchie> everything to do with me having no memory left :(
[22:01] <godbyk> aha.
[22:01] <godbyk> that'd do it.
[22:02] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yep.
[22:13] <godbyk> the docs that exist in the System > Help and Support area.. are those written by the Ubuntu docs team?  Or just inherited from GNOME?
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: docs team
[22:13] <godbyk> and should my lucid installation have up-to-date docs there (i.e,. for lucid)?
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> as far as i know
[22:15] <dutchie> godbyk: it's working now :)
[22:15] <dutchie> po4a --no-translations -MUTF-8 --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-version=`bzr revno` --package-name=ubuntu-manual po4a.conf
[22:15] <godbyk> dutchie: great!
[22:15] <dutchie> ^^ that's the command, but it's decided to work for me now
[22:15] <godbyk> and that command updates the pot file?
[22:16] <dutchie> and the po files
[22:16] <godbyk> 'cause when I ran it yesterday it only updated the po files (and not the pot file)
[22:16] <dutchie> oh yeah
[22:16]  * dutchie will see what happens
[22:17] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: i want to scream a lot about these docs and the help system.
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> I uninstalled them :P , I didn't know they existed untill i started on this project. I used google
[22:19] <godbyk> I was looking at them to see what names they're using for some applets, but the search function is completely useless.
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> the help system is soo slow
[22:19] <godbyk> and it's slow.
[22:19] <godbyk> took 5-10 seconds before anything appeared in the window on startup
[22:19] <godbyk> since search didn't help, I started browsing.
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> exactly, i always think its broken
[22:20] <godbyk> that was also a dead-end
[22:20] <godbyk> found what I thought would be helpful, except all the info was ancient.  (as in the screenshot looked like it was from 2001)
[22:20] <godbyk> okay, I'll be right back. I have to reboot.  (just installed tons of lucid updates.)
[22:25] <godbyk> 12 seconds to load the help this time.
[22:25] <ubuntujenkins> are you looking for something in particular
[22:26] <godbyk> I started out poking around to see if they have an official (public) name for the MeMenu.
[22:26] <godbyk> but no mention of that at all.
[22:26] <godbyk> at least not in any of the places I looked in the help.
[22:26] <dutchie> godbyk: try asking #ubuntu-desktop
[22:27] <godbyk> dutchie: thanks
[22:27] <godbyk> I'm also just poking around to see what they've got in there.
[22:44] <dutchie> godbyk: it seems to have updated the pot file
[22:45] <dutchie> but jesus christ, is that a big diff
[22:45] <dutchie> $ bzr diff | wc -l
[22:45] <dutchie> 1009450
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> will the translators be angry?
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> thats a lot of changes
[22:47] <dutchie> most of it is line refs, so not a big worry
[22:47] <dutchie> evening humphreybc
[22:48] <humphreybc> hey josh, that was quick
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc
[22:48] <humphreybc> morning :)
[22:48] <humphreybc> obviously you two aren't out partying on your saturday night and have chosen instead to attend a meeting on IRC :)
[22:48] <humphreybc> good choice :)
[22:48] <daker> brb
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> yep, I have lots of uni stuff to do. so need sleep afterwards
[22:49] <dutchie> humphreybc: I did my partying on a thursday night, and my cultural theatre trips on a friday night :)
[22:50] <humphreybc> hahaha
[22:50] <humphreybc> nice
[22:50] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, I noticed when it fiddled with the .po files that it moved all the :linenum to its own line (whereas it was on the previous line with the filename before). what's up with that?
[22:50] <dutchie> godbyk: po4a has its own preferences for where the line numbers go
[22:50] <dutchie> nothing to read into it really
[22:50] <godbyk> I see.
[22:51] <dutchie> might look at getting some sort of patch going to deflate the diffs a bit
[22:51] <godbyk> and we want to ignore changes that po4a makes to the .po files, right?
[22:51] <dutchie> doesn't matter really
[22:51] <godbyk> launchpad doesn't bother with the .po files?
[22:52] <godbyk> it'd also make the diff smaller (and help keep the bzr repository trim), wouldn't it?
[22:52] <dutchie> it does import changes
[22:53] <dutchie> so someone could use a different translation tool than rosetta, and they'd end up being imported by LP on uploades
[22:53] <dutchie> -e
[22:53] <dutchie> right, pushed
[22:55] <godbyk> okay.. so it sounds like after running po4a (to update the po and pot files), we should run 'bzr revert po/*.po' or something so we ignore the changes to the po files (before committing/pushing)?
[22:55] <godbyk> or am I misunderstanding?
[22:55] <dutchie> there's no reason we shouldn't, but it doesn't feel right for some reason
[22:57] <godbyk> my thinking is that the .po files that po4a modifies are already out of date.
[22:58] <dutchie> that's why it modifies them, in a way
[22:58] <godbyk> so we should ignore them entirely and just pull fresh copies from launchpad.
[22:58] <godbyk> what modifications does it do (aside from line numbers)?
[22:59]  * dutchie checks the diff
[22:59] <dutchie> it fiddles about with the whitespace
[22:59] <dutchie> and it scraps all the old out of date stuff
[22:59] <humphreybc> everyone in #ubuntu-meeting?


[00:13] <odrin> hello
[00:18] <odrin> ok, i don't know if the problem is my comp or some setting I have, but everytime I use the spacebar any website I'm on scrolls down
[00:20] <windbuntu> good evening lubuntu technicians.
[00:21] <Unit193> odrin: That's normal for browsers, goes to the next link or page down.
[00:22] <odrin> so i need to look for help in the uber newbie help areas... got it. sorry. Never had that problem on my old (newer) machine, thought it had to do with having just installed lubuntu
[00:24] <Unit193> It's what I've seen on the windows boxes too, unless I'm misunderstanding.
[00:29] <odrin> so thuirty seconds of research, and this is default behavior for all http compliant browsers, but it is supposed to disable when a text input or container is selected. For what ever reason, sometimes the browser picks up the spacebar anyways
[00:30] <odrin> what is frustrating is that (just checked) this machine oesn't have that issue when logged into ubuntu session. wish there was a way to fix it in lubuntu
[00:35] <Bulletrulz> help i need help
[00:36] <Bulletrulz> i messed up my panel and cant find it
[00:36] <Bulletrulz> how to make another one through  a command line
[00:36] <wxl> Bulletrulz: are you sure it's running?
[00:36] <Bulletrulz> wxl how to start it
[00:37] <windbuntu> you could try that command, ,,,,,gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[00:37] <windbuntu> http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/06/20/how-to-reset-panels-settings-to-default-in-ubuntu/
[00:38] <wxl> well you need to find if you have it running
[00:39] <wxl> you may have just accidentially hidden it
[00:39] <brandon__> help!
[00:39] <brandon__> im bulletrulz
[00:39] <wxl> hit alt-f2
[00:39] <brandon__> how to undide it
[00:39] <wxl> then hit lxtask
[00:40] <wxl> do you see lxpanel there?
[00:40] <brandon__> yes
[00:41] <brandon__> wxl yes
[00:41] <wxl> ok then it's running
[00:41] <wxl> that's good
[00:41] <wxl> now alt-f2 again
[00:41] <brandon__> ok
[00:41] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart
[00:41] <wxl> is it back?
[00:41] <brandon__> no
[00:41] <wxl> alt-f2
[00:42] <wxl> lxpanelctl config
[00:42] <brandon__> ty man
[00:42] <wxl> np ;)
[03:46] <odrin> is there a way to use a usb mouse with lubuntu?
[03:47] <Unit193> Plug it in?
[03:47] <odrin> ok, but my machine isn't reckognizing its there
[03:48] <odrin> nevermind.. switched ports and now its working great...
[03:54] <jthompson87> I am not totally sure of the protocol here, so I apologize if this is the wrong place to put this.
[03:54] <jthompson87> Is anyone else experiencing a bug with network-manager when connecting to a WPA-secured network?
[03:54] <Unit193> You have any details? What "bug"?
[03:55] <jthompson87> Sorry.  It sees it as a WEP network, and thus only allows passkeys of 5 or 13 digits.
[03:57] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376621 Like that? Sounds like a card issue, what's the model?
[03:58] <jthompson87> I don't think it is a card or driver issue, but it is an Atheros, not sure of the exact model.
[03:58] <jthompson87> I was finally able to get wifi working by installing WICD, but I was hoping there was a way to get vanilla network-manager to work with it.
[04:01] <jthompson87> Do you have any ideas?  If not, I can just stick with WICD and live without the panel notifications.
[04:02] <Unit193> Not right now, WPA seemed to like me. :P
[04:03] <jthompson87> Ah, well.  I put in a recommendation on the 12.10 work items whiteboard because wicd does not contain any GNOME dependencies, and I think it might be a good replacement if I am not alone in my issue.
[04:07] <Unit193> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458125
[04:10] <jthompson87> Yeah, I am aware that other people have the bug.  A forum post on another site (boardreader, it was, I believe) led me to install wicd and now I am getting wifi again.  If network-manager is simply not going to cooperate, then I will just not use it.
[04:13] <jthompson87> I am, however, interested in the reason that the default manager in the most popular Linux distro in the world seems to be plagued, and has been plagued for years, by this issue.  Is it because it has GNOME integration?
[04:15] <Unit193> Alright, well if that works and you're good with it.  I don't happen to know why it is, though it wouldn't be GNome exactly as Xubuntu (Xfce) and Lubuntu (LXDE) also use it, could just generally work better with those desktops though.
[04:23] <jthompson87> I know that GNOME integration is not important for L/Xubuntu users, and that is why I think changing to using wicd by default might be a good idea, as it does not have any GNOME dependencies.
[04:26] <zydingxiaomei> please ,where is lubuntu's internet cahce directory.
[04:33] <jthompson87> zydingxiaomei, you mean the cache for chromium?
[04:35] <zydingxiaomei> jthopson87:firefox and system cache
[04:36] <bioterror> ~/.config/chromium/Default/
[04:36] <zydingxiaomei> like /temp for windows
[04:36] <zydingxiaomei> thanks
[04:37] <Apocalyptikz> That's the Chromium browser cache.
[04:37] <jthompson87> working on it
[04:37] <zydingxiaomei> yes but i want to know firefox and system cache ;-)
[04:38] <jthompson87> type about:cache in the address bar.
[04:38] <Apocalyptikz> Eh, try /var/cache
[04:38] <zydingxiaomei> oh,2k
[04:38] <zydingxiaomei> thanks ,finded
[04:38] <Apocalyptikz> You have both system and firefox caches?
[04:40] <zydingxiaomei> i have intalled lubuntu yesterday
[04:40] <jthompson87> How do you like it?
[04:40] <zydingxiaomei> try
[04:42] <zydingxiaomei> i want o  learn the C language
[04:42] <zydingxiaomei> in linux
[04:43] <zydingxiaomei> best a small linux system,:-D
[04:44] <zydingxiaomei> my english is not good.
[04:44] <jthompson87> That's OK, I can still understand.
[04:45] <jthompson87> Good luck to you.  I would also like to learn C eventually.
[04:47] <zydingxiaomei> together ,but you need help me ,because i learn this a soon
[04:49] <zydingxiaomei> can you tell me your email,and i can ask you ,about the C language.
[05:08] <zydingxiaomei> :-X
[06:37] <mi3> I am using ubuntu, is there a way to remove unity completely and install lxde, and still receive LTS ?
[06:38] <mi3> any suggestions for that ? :D
[06:38] <bioterror> you receive lts as core
[06:38] <bioterror> but not for the LXDE components
[06:38] <mi3> core means ?
[06:38] <bioterror> kernel and other stuff
[06:38] <mi3> other stuff like what ?
[06:38] <bioterror> like some libs
[06:38] <mi3> even for unity ?>
[06:39] <mi3> bioterror, even for unity ?
[06:39] <mi3> :D
[06:39] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Support
[06:40] <Unit193> Open a terminal, and type  apt-cache show unity |grep Supported
[06:41] <mi3> it shows 5y
[06:41] <mi3> means 5 years
[06:42] <mi3> umm ok, got it....
[06:42] <mi3> thank you :D
[06:42] <bioterror> !purelxde | mi3
[06:42] <bioterror> mi3, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[06:44] <mi3> ok, so 1st I install lubuntu desktop, login from there and then run the commands ?? :D
[06:44] <bioterror> yeah
[06:44] <bioterror> !cookie | mi3
[06:44] <mi3> will sudo apt-get install lxde work fine or I need to use lubuntu-desktop ? :D
[06:45] <bioterror> I would go with the lubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <mi3> !cookie | bioterror
[06:45] <mi3> YAYY
[06:45] <mi3> ok
[06:45] <mi3> I will do that !
[06:45] <mi3> but, it still is an LTS release, right ?
[06:45] <mi3> :D
[06:45] <mi3> after doing all the stuff ?
[06:45] <bioterror> kernel and glibc and other things are LTS :D
[06:46] <bioterror> but not the LXDE components
[06:46] <bioterror> :D
[06:46] <mi3> ok, sir
[06:46] <mi3> I will install lubuntu right away!!
[06:46] <mi3> I mean lxde
[06:46] <mi3> hehe
[06:48] <mi3> sir, can you explain why do we have so many packages to be install while doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, and so less packages while doing sudo apt-get install lxde ? :D
[06:48] <mi3> *installed
[06:48] <bioterror> just plain LXDE is not enough
[06:48] <mi3> then ?
[06:50] <mi3> ??
[06:51] <mi3> err bioterror ?
[06:52] <bioterror> for you and for us, it's easier for you to download all the needed dependencies for a complete desktop experience than just lxde
[06:52] <mi3> ok..got it, installing !!
[07:38] <Apocalyptikz> so lubuntu wants me to install these drivers for my graphics card but whenever i install them my entire os messes up :(
[07:38] <bioterror> !error
[07:49] <Apocalyptikz> Does lubuntu have issues with ati cards?
[08:11] <mi3> HI!!
[08:11] <mi3> I INSTALLED LUBUNTU! AND ITS AWESOME!
[08:11] <mi3> AND FAST!
[08:12] <mi3> AND GREAT!
[08:12] <mi3> !cookies | bioterror
[08:12] <mi3> !cookies | Unit193
[08:12] <mi3> is anyone there ?
[08:13] <Unit193> Please don't do that.
[08:13] <mi3> do what ?
[08:13] <mi3> compliment ?
[08:13] <mi3> :(
[08:13] <mi3> I just wanted to say that its AWESOME, thats all
[08:13] <bioterror> Unit193 has a celiac
[08:14] <mi3> hi bioterror!
[09:18] <mi3> hello!
[09:18] <mi3> how can I add an sh file to startup ?
[09:29] <ikonia> is firefox part of the lubuntu defualt install ?
[09:38] <Unit193> ikonia: No.
[09:41] <ikonia> perfec, that makes sense, thanks
[09:43] <Unit193> xxxterm would be a possibility, but it's a bit advanced for some users so Chromium-browser is still default.
[09:43] <mi3> HI!
[09:43] <mi3> I LUBUNTU IS AWESOME!!
[09:44] <mi3> err sorry
[09:44] <mi3> let me correct
[09:44] <mi3> LUBUNTU IS AWESOME
[09:44] <mi3> I LOVE IT!
[09:44] <mi3> xD
[09:45] <Unit193> That's great, but did you have a support question? This is the support channel.
[09:46] <Apocalyptikz> I don't know what controls the speed of my fan but it only spins up at 70C. Is there a way I can change that?
[09:47] <Unit193> There's the fan-control package, and sensors, not for sure that'd be what you're looking for.
[09:49] <Apocalyptikz> How do I change the sensors settings?
[09:49] <Unit193> !sensors
[09:50] <Apocalyptikz> I've read that already.
[09:50] <Apocalyptikz> That doesn't help me change my settings - they appear to be elsewhere than that page suggests.
[09:53] <Unit193> Should be in the same package.
[09:53] <Unit193> ?!info fancontrol
[09:53] <Unit193> !info fancontrol
[09:56] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/63588/how-do-i-get-fan-control-working   http://ubuntunewb.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-control-fan-speed-on-ubuntu.html    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man8/pwmconfig.8.html   I need to sleep, it's very late/early/somewhere in the middle.
[10:03] <mi3> Apocalyptikz, you can control the fan speed, by installing the fancontrol package :D
[11:22] <fasos> buongiono a tutto il canale
[11:23] <fasos> ho installato Kmymoney ma in esecuzione la finestra non si adatta al monitor bensì sfora anche quando massimizzo
[11:23] <fasos> forse devo caricare il desktop in kde?
[11:26] <manitou> hi ! im press to magnet file open with browser ! how i can change to open with torrent ! i didnt get open with in drop menu !?
[11:26] <bioterror> oh yeah, xdg and magnet links
[11:27] <manitou> should i look in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[12:04] <manitou> no help with this ?
[12:44] <AmberJ> Anyone else had problems in installing virtualbox guest additions on Lubuntu 12.04 (64bit)?
[12:44] <AmberJ> Host is Lubuntu 11.10 (32 bit). Guest is Lubuntu 12.04 (64 bit)
[12:48] <Sentynel> AmberJ: I've got a lubuntu 12.04 guest with the guest additions working fine; how are you installing them?
[12:49] <AmberJ> I use [Devices]->[Install GA] in vbox to mount GA.iso in vm.
[12:49] <Sentynel> it's easier to use the packaged version
[12:50] <AmberJ> Then I change to directory when ISO is mounted. And, then I do: 'sudo ./autorun.sh'  ... I get this:
[12:51] <AmberJ> "Linux GA installer not found. -- try to install the manually"
[12:52] <AmberJ> When I try to run manually (as root), the installer exits fine and recommends me to reboot/restartX. But when I reboot, GA are not installed
[12:52] <Sentynel> if you do sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 you should be okay
[12:52] <AmberJ> Ah, let me try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Install_Virtualbox_Guest_Additions_onto_a_Lubuntu_Virtual_Machine
[12:54] <Sentynel> it's easier and more reliable to install the packaged versions imo, 'cos that (should) pull in dkms as well, which'll rebuild the modules automatically if necessary
[12:58] <AmberJ> Well, someone mentioned on #vbox (few months ago) that with virtualbox adopting faster release cycle, GA in ubuntu/debian repos are usually outdated.
[12:58] <AmberJ> Nevermind. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Install_Virtualbox_Guest_Additions_onto_a_Lubuntu_Virtual_Machine got my GA working
[12:58] <AmberJ> Thanks Sentynel :)
[12:59] <Sentynel> well, sure, but that goes for any software (including, presumably, the host machine's virtualbox); we still use the package manager for most of it
[12:59] <AmberJ> I didn't do 'apt-get install make gcc' earlier due to which lead to it skipping building the modules
[12:59] <Sentynel> I think they have their own .deb repo anyway if you do want quicker updates
[13:00] <AmberJ> oh yes... sorry I forget to mention that I'm using Oracle's version of vbox (NOT virtualbox-ose from repos)
[13:02] <Sentynel> the virtual-ose packages are transitional to virtualbox in 12.04.. I don't know what changed
[13:04] <Sentynel> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads ah yeah, they list their repos here if you do want to set that up to keep things up to date
[14:00] <mi3> hello!
[14:01] <mi3> which gtk version does lubuntu use ?
[14:18] <holstein> !info gtk
[14:19] <holstein> mi3: it'll be the same as normal ubuntu
[14:20] <mi3> ok, thanks holstein :D
[14:21] <mi3> holstein, I download a new theme, but I cant apply it
[14:21] <mi3> any suggestions ?
[14:22] <holstein> id try some other themes.. depending on where you got them from, it could be the theme that is in error
[14:22] <holstein> i personally dont spend a lot of time "pretty-fying" LXDE
[14:22] <mi3> I went to preference>customize look and feel and then windows border, before doing that, I moved the theme to /usr/share/themes, but it should have appeared in the app, its not there
[14:22] <holstein> in the past with gnome2, i found some themes didnt work
[14:23] <holstein> mi3: do you have lxapperance?
[14:23] <mi3> yes
[14:23] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXAppearance
[14:24] <holstein> not sure.. my suggestion is, dont assume its an LXDE/lubuntu issue just yet
[14:26] <mi3> I also changed the preferred browser to firefox, but it still opens chrome, even if I click on the IRC URL
[14:26] <holstein> i did get aroun that before, though i forget how.. i think i did it in the terminal
[14:27] <holstein> mi3: LXDE is light.. by definition, i feel you trade certain things for speed
[14:27] <mi3> things like ?
[14:27] <holstein> not that you cant get it working exactly as you want, it might just take a while
[14:27] <holstein> mi3: you name it
[14:27] <mi3> firefox ?
[14:27] <holstein> themes.. clicking on something and having it open in an application
[14:28] <mi3> hmm
[14:28] <holstein> i use openbox, and i dont "expect" those things from openbox
[14:28] <holstein> BUT, you can get all of these issues working... its not an issue where there is a bug necessarily
[14:28] <mi3> err ok, I understand that :D
[14:31] <holstein> mi3: this is what i used sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[14:31] <holstein> this would have been in 10.04, so your milage may vary
[14:32] <mi3> SHIT YES! IT WORKED!
[14:32] <mi3> :D
[14:32] <mi3> I opened the link you gave me earlier, and it opened directly in firefox !!
[14:33] <holstein> cool.. that should set it "system-wide"
[14:33] <mi3> HHAHAHAHA COOL!!
[14:36] <mi3> holstein, I think lxde uses gtk 3, instead of 2 and the theme I downloaded is gtk2 based
[14:37] <holstein> mi3: right... it'll be the same as main ubuntu
[14:37] <mi3> I see....
[14:37] <mi3> which lubuntu version do you use, holstein ??
[14:38] <holstein> mi3: AFAIK, gtk2 *cant* be in with main ubuntu for some reason... otherwise, gnome2 would be available
[14:38] <holstein> mi3: i would use 12.04..
[14:38] <mi3> me too!
[14:38] <mi3> so, have you tried gtk 3 themes ? do they work ?
[14:40] <holstein> mi3: i dont theme LXDE
[14:40] <mi3> err ok
[14:40] <holstein> i go in to LXDE expecting a sort of "stock lightness"
[14:40] <mi3> hahahaha
[14:40] <mi3> good
[14:41] <mi3> ok, I downloaded this gtk3 theme, will test drive it and tell you :D
[14:43] <mi3> looks like lxde uses .obt formats for installing themes!
[16:14] <toscho> hi
[16:14] <toscho> i deleted ~/Desktop and now my desktop is filled with my home directory
[16:15] <toscho> can I safely delete these links or will it delete my home directory?
[16:16] <holstein> toscho: i would say, you can safely move them, and test, and move them back or delete
[16:18] <toscho> ah found the issue on ubuntuforums: edit config file defining the desktop directory
[16:18] <toscho> will try that instead first
[16:21] <toscho> editing .config/user-dirs.dirs worked
[16:22] <toscho> I also changed the other directories and now logging in is remarkably faster
[17:40] <ilija> i cannot change my cursor theme in lubuntu 12.04 i put theme folder in /usr/share/icons i rename it to "default" but it didnot work. i tried to put in /home/username/.icons but still donnot work. Where is problem
[17:41] <wxl> ilija: need to logout and back in if you haven't already
[17:42] <ilija> yes i do it that, i restartd my PC after that
[17:43] <ilija> i know change cursor theme in 11.10 but it donnot work in 12.04
[17:43] <wxl> not sure this is relevant but there doesn't seem to be a "default" listed in the customize look and feel app
[17:43] <wxl> but there's a way to install through that app
[17:43] <wxl> have you already tried that?
[17:44] <wxl> that's lxappareance
[17:45] <ilija> yes i tried thourhg app
[17:45] <ilija> but it crash
[17:45] <twenzen> Hi
[17:46] <twenzen> There a proxy client in lubuntu ?
[17:46] <twenzen> are*
[17:47] <wxl> well that's strange, ilija. have you tried some other theme? i wonder if it's not just that one theme
[17:49] <ilija> i will now try some other theme
[17:49] <ilija> i will be back in minut to say repert
[17:50] <wxl> twenzen: for the browser?
[17:50] <wxl> all http?
[17:50] <wxl> all tcp?
[17:51] <twenzen> On my Mac i have normal configuration and a tor onfiguration
[17:52] <twenzen> I can switch but in linux i don't know its possible
[17:53] <wxl> proxydriver maybe
[17:54] <wxl> Unit193: you know of any good lightweight proxy client?
[17:55] <wxl> my guess is wicd handles proxies better than nm but i could be wrong
[17:55] <twenzen> I'm sorry if you understand my english i'm french
[17:55] <twenzen> don't*
[17:55] <wxl> i don't think i'm having any problems, twenzen ;)
[17:56] <wxl> i'm just at a loss :(
[17:57] <wxl> it's pretty easy just for the web browser though
[17:57] <twenzen> tomorrow a friends give a old laptop and  i want to install lubuntu
[17:57] <twenzen> And i don't the configuration of this laptop :p
[17:58] <twenzen> know*
[18:01] <twenzen> You hate google who spy your private life when you search something ?
[18:03] <theshadow> I can't seem to get sound to work from flash, any ideas?
[18:03] <holstein> theshadow: try chrome
[18:04] <theshadow> yea I installed google chrome from their .deb
[18:04] <holstein> AFAIK, thats the newest version of flash for linux... are you sure sound is working?
[18:05] <theshadow> I watched a video on installed arandr to get extended desktop working..
[18:05] <holstein> theshadow: cool.. is sound working?
[18:06] <theshadow> Sorry, I thought it was implied. Yes there was audio.
[18:07] <holstein> i would just try restarting alsa.. or consider using pulse and/or pavucontrol
[18:07] <holstein> or, just check for upgrades, and reboot
[18:07] <holstein> if sound is working, i can assure you that sound is working with chrome here in flash... maybe alsa has crashed for some reason?
[18:08] <theshadow> ok
[18:18] <ilija> hy me again i tried some other cursor theme but same thing it donot work. i discover some interesant thin example if i come with cursor on edge of window or text box or link in browser my theme apears
[19:05] <theshadow> figured it out FYI, it was outputing the audio to the HDMI port... which was connected to my monitor. I fixed that and now everything works.
[19:06] <Unit193> Cool, did you have to get pulse for the HDMI?
[19:07] <bioterror> Unit193, that's cheating!
[19:56] <veebull> how minimal of a system (in terms of processor power) should be workable with Lubuntu?
[19:56] <holstein> try it live :) ...i would want a p3 or more with 512 ram
[19:57] <Unit193> Well, what do you have?
[19:57] <holstein> yeah... thats a better way to do it :)
[19:57] <veebull> I've got an older mid-tower PC that I wanted to use as a home server, setting down in the basement shop with a gui for occasional log-in and web browsing.
[19:58] <veebull> 2GB RAM, 3 500GB HD... Celeron 2.66GHz
[19:58] <bioterror> :D
[19:58] <Unit193> holstein: But then you'd also get stuck with "what do you plan to do?" ;P
[19:58] <bioterror> that's almost high-end what I've seen on here
[19:58] <Unit193> veebull: That'd be fine then.
[19:58] <veebull> which seems to be gagging on just about anything involving a gui
[19:58] <holstein> veebull: its likely the graphics driver/support
[19:58] <Unit193> Could be the video card rather than the system.
[19:58] <veebull> at least by what I'm seeing in htop... system load over 10 when I try doing things, even logged out to just the DM
[20:00] <veebull> it started as an xfce alternate CD install, but was bogging down too much so I installed lubuntu-desktop using apt-get.
[20:00] <Unit193> Just now on a Celeron 500MHz, with 512ram: Load average: 0.36, 0.24, 0.20
[20:00] <Unit193> You could try removing other packages with !purelubuntu
[20:00] <veebull> wanted to be able to run some server stuff in the background, such as ssh-server, squid-deb-proxy, LAMP, maybe owncloud or openvpn
[20:00] <holstein> i would try safe graphics mode.. force the vesa driver
[20:01] <veebull> the gui is running just fine... just system load goes nuts
[20:01] <holstein> veebull: all of that will run great... the issue with the GUI is likely graphics driver related
[20:01] <veebull> right now I'm in the middle of exorcising all the xubuntu stuff using the commands copied from pyschocats.net...
[20:02] <holstein> i wouldnt bother... its likely not that much
[20:03] <veebull> one thing that was just killing it was the update-notifier script that ran any time I ran apt-get update, even when logged out of the gui and running from an ssh login.
[20:03] <veebull> It'd run 6-8 threads, blocking everything else
[20:03] <Unit193> That one is annoying even if it isn't causing problems, I used killall. :(
[20:04] <veebull> !purelubuntu
[20:57] <cheryl_> Hello? :)
[20:57] <cheryl_> Batman, you here??
[20:58] <cheryl_> Unit193, That's you Batman!
[20:58] <Unit193> Well, what be your question?
[21:00] <cheryl_> Oh hi, brains!
[21:01] <cheryl_> I want to run aMSN on Lubuntu....is it possible, it's available for version from Hardy upwards.....nothing specific for Lubuntu, can u shed any light?
[21:02] <bioterror> !amsn
[21:03] <bioterror> cheryl_, I heard it was removed or something
[21:03] <cheryl_> oh no!!
[21:03] <Unit193> It has been removed, it's not secure and is rather bad. :P
[21:03] <Unit193> What's wrong with pidgin?
[21:03] <cheryl_> I'm not mad on pidgin
[21:03] <bioterror> oh
[21:03] <cheryl_> I got used to the sounds of amsn. And I could cam with other amsn users
[21:03] <bioterror> Unit193, they released a new version last friday
[21:04] <Unit193> bioterror: Meh, I don't use it, I don't care enough to remember.  :D
[21:05] <cheryl_> I'll brb to find somming else to pick your brain about.
[21:06] <Unit193> Pidgin supports audio, but not sure about video as I have no webcam.
[21:07] <cheryl_> it doesn't, well I've not checked lately. :)
[21:08]  * cheryl_ passes hot beverages to all who look awake!
[21:08] <cheryl_> Can't say I've had any issues of late, all working smoothly. :)
[21:08] <cheryl_> So good day to you all :)
[21:17] <mohboy> Hello
[21:17] <veebull> so... any particular reason Lubuntu doesn't have all the same repos as Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[21:18] <veebull> about 4MB worth less d/l'ed during 'apt-get update'
[21:18] <mohboy> Hi, I have an problem with Lubuntu
[21:18] <veebull> no openssh-server, no squid-deb-proxy, no amahi-utils, etc.
[21:19] <mohboy> I have not sound :/
[21:27] <Unit193> veebull: It does, unless you enabled more on Ubuntu or Xubuntu.
[21:27] <Unit193> Copy your sources.list over, and diff /etc/apt/sources.list sources.list.ubuntu
[21:31] <veebull> Unit193, have a base install of Ubuntu 12.04 on my main desktop... clean install of Xubuntu 12.04 on laptop... clean install (as of about a half-hour ago) of Lubuntu 12.04 on my basement 'workstation'
[21:31] <veebull> Ubuntu/Lubuntu = 19+ MB download, Lubuntu 15+ MB
[21:32] <Unit193> And it also depends on when you last checked, but the sources should be the same.
[21:32] <veebull> 'apt-cache search openssh-server' returns nothing on fresh install of Lubuntu, which would indicate that they are not the same
[21:32] <veebull> apt-get install openssh-server tells me 'no installation candidate'
[21:33] <Unit193> And you did do a apt-get update? That's not normal in any way.
[21:33] <veebull> yes
[21:33] <Unit193> Can you pastebin.com the sources.list?
[21:33] <veebull> I'll see what I can do... I'll try to paste one from my laptop (Xubuntu) and one from the workstation (Lubuntu)
[21:34] <veebull> whats the simplest way to diff the two and see what the differences are?
[21:34] <Unit193> Using the diff command.
[21:34] <veebull> yah yah... looking it up now ;)
[21:34] <Unit193> I have upgraded this system, so it isn't Maverick, but here's mine: http://pastebin.com/9CDdBdMa
[21:37] <Unit193> (I had just done a diff, only changed line was the commented out deb cd line.)
[21:55] <veebull> well, here's the link to the diff results... http://pastebin.com/tbds1Zy7
[21:56] <veebull> some are obvious (should have deleted the cdrom lines before starting, and the oracle virtualbox lines) but some are not what I'd expect
[21:57] <veebull> here is a pastebin of the kind of error I'm getting, trying to do something as simple as install vim-gtk (gvim):  http://pastebin.com/BFSxhyK9
[21:57] <Unit193> They are a line off is the basic idea.
[21:59] <veebull> so why the errors?
[21:59] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/76766/how-do-i-overcome-these-package-dependency-problems Take a look here.
[22:04] <veebull> don't think so.  not getting the same errors.  Nothing about 'impossible situation', but that there is 'no installation candidate'
[22:11] <veebull> well nuts.  got all three sources.list files open in gvim, windows split vertically, all comment lines removed...
[22:11] <veebull> literally identical files.
[22:12] <veebull> hard to swallow that the Oracle virtualbox repo is 4MB alone...
[22:12] <veebull> yikes
[22:12] <Unit193> Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:13] <veebull> what am I looking for?
[22:13] <Unit193> Shouldn't be anything in there, but that's where extra repos go.
[22:14] <veebull> okay, main desktop PC has some stuff for Google Earth and up-to-date ppa info for recoll...
[22:14] <veebull> but that doesn't explain why some packages aren't even available for install under Lubuntu?
[22:15] <Unit193> And you saw the apt-get install -f? I don't remember what that one fix is.
[22:16] <veebull> yep... that looks more like its for broken dependencies.  What I'm getting is flat telling me that certain packages don't even exist to install.
[22:17] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[22:17] <Unit193> Yeah, I noticed, I just don't remember that fix, bioterror?
[22:17] <ThePendulum> I installed Lubuntu on a Mac Mini G4. Is there any way I can disable the loud "BONGGG" during boot from within Ubuntu?
[22:18] <ThePendulum> *lubuntu, if it makes a difference at all
[22:18] <wxl> ThePendulum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1701534
[22:19] <Unit193> http://homepage.mac.com/geerlingguy/mac_support/mac_help/pages/0025-startup_sound.html This?
[22:19] <ThePendulum> wxl: Thanks, reading it now
[22:20] <veebull> Unit193, what I'm seeing is pretty well summed up by this post
[22:20] <veebull> http://askubuntu.com/questions/14685/what-does-package-package-has-no-installation-candidate-mean
[22:21] <veebull> but I'm talkin' basic things like gvim or openssh-server, not a specialty item like munin-whatever
[22:22] <ThePendulum> wxl: Fixed it, thanks again!
[22:23] <Unit193> That's only happened to me when I forgot to run update in a VM, and with stuff like that shouldn't fail at all.
[22:23] <Unit193> wxl: You read up yet?
[22:25] <wxl> oh which Unit193
[22:26] <wxl> the startup thingy? cuz that's old hat, pal ;)
[22:26] <wxl> < ThePendulum:#lubuntu> wxl: Fixed it, thanks again!
[22:26] <wxl> :O
[22:26] <Unit193> Yeah, I saw that one. :P
[22:27] <wxl> or do you need help with this no installation candidate business?
[22:28] <Unit193> Haven't seen it.
[22:30] <wxl> veebull's issue
[22:33] <Unit193> I'll restate, I haven't seen it without already fixed methods.  He's using 64bit.
[22:45] <quickrot> can anyone help me with ecryptfs, specifically how I can mount an encrypted home directory when I already have an encrypted home directory (on a bootstick)?