[03:19] <user|40> could u plz tell me how can i use virtual keyboard by default when i run kubuntu on Pad?
[03:25] <user|40> ChanServ
[05:42] <user|40> could u plz tell me how can i use virtual keyboard by default when i run kubuntu on Pad?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hello, I'm looking for some help about finding a driver for a Shenzen goodix fingerprint reader... I've tried to install fingerprintGUI but it didn't reussed and I don't really understand why...
 (Sorry for mystake english isn't my mother tongue so I do my best but it isn't perfect...!)
 🥰🥰🥰
 Hello, I would start with getting the exact model name of your fingerprint reader. Or at least you must specify the laptop model your fingerprint reader is in. Shenzhen Goodix Technology is making lots of reader devices:
 https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/27C6 (re @Oleandre: Hello, I'm looking for some help about finding a driver for a Shenzen goodix fingerprint reader... I've tried to install fingerprintGUI but it didn't reussed and I don't really understand why...
 (Sorry for mystake english isn't my mother tongue so I do my best but it isn't perfect...!))
 you can go with "lsusb" in the terminal to get the vendor and model id, then you can use "lsusb -t" to see if some driver is actually assigned
 Thanks, I've Search on my own and I figure out that it was a non-supported fingerprint reader, and I found on Kubuntu community someone (Mpi3D) who's trying to make a driver since 2021
 You can search in the kernel logs, maybe support was added in a newer kernel version. (re @Oleandre: Thanks, I've Search on my own and I figure out that it was a non-supported fingerprint reader, and I found on Kubuntu community someone (Mpi3D) who's trying to make a driver since 2021)
 I'm not sure, there was a discord sever link in the topic, son i loin it and in the last message i've saw that it wasn't support yet... (not sure of the grammar)


[00:03] <Linux_Fresher> jrib: u still around ?
[00:05] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: you shouldn't be touching sda1 now
[00:05] <Linux_Fresher> erm ?
[00:06] <jrib> did you shrink sda1 already?
[00:06] <Linux_Fresher> but sda1 is the only HD where there is space to install ubuntu .. no havent done anything yet , because i got stuck at the 'Use as:' field .. btw did it confuse you too ?
[00:07] <jrib> sda1 is a partition on sda
[00:07] <nalioth> Linux_Fresher: use as ext3 for data or 'swap' for swap
[00:08] <Linux_Fresher> the thing is if i choose /dev/sda and click new partition table, following message appears :   You have selected an entire device to partition. If you proceed with creating a new partition table on the device, then all current partitions will be removed.
[00:08] <Linux_Fresher> Note that you will be able to undo this operation later if you wish.
[00:08] <Linux_Fresher> i dont exactly want to select the entire hd now .. as i said it has windows and games on it
[00:08] <jrib> nalioth: have you used the manual partition option in the installer to resize an ntfs partition?
[00:09] <Linux_Fresher> yup uploading one more screeny now
[00:09] <jrib> can't you use the automatic resize option instead of manual Linux_Fresher?
[00:10] <Linux_Fresher> http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3dn2.png
[00:11] <Linux_Fresher> naw, i think i will give up for today
[00:11] <Linux_Fresher> thanks a loads for your time .. i think i will have to get a linux guy around or so
[00:11] <Linux_Fresher> better that someone teaches me real time
[00:12] <Linux_Fresher> coz one thing is for sure, if i lose data because of mis-interpretation, i wont turn back to linux and i dont want that to happen
[00:12] <nalioth> jrib: no, i use ntfsresize when doing it manually
[00:12] <jrib> oh well
[19:51] <candrews> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/199754 I'm attempting to solve that issue (packaging mod_auth_cas). I have a package made, but when I load the module into apache, I get: Can't locate API module structure `authcas_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_cas.so: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_cas.so: undefined symbol: authcas_module
[19:52] <candrews> Can someone give me a hand to finish up this package?
[19:52] <andrea-bs> candrews: you should ask on #ubuntu-devel
[19:54] <candrews> thank you!


[17:36] <new_> hi is somebody here ?
[17:36] <fr33r1d3> yes
[17:36] <new_> Hi I have a question, I would like to put my ubuntu with all the current files that I have into a cd so I can use it in another computer by just inserting the cd, can someone tell me if there is anyways to do this?
[17:37] <new_> I would like to put all my ubuntu into a cd so i can use it in another computer
[17:38] <new_> so you have anny idea on how to do it
[17:39] <fr33r1d3> Check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[17:39] <fr33r1d3> or this: http://customizeubuntu.com/
[17:40] <new_> thanks
[18:31] <c-toast> Hi! I'm having a miserable time with an HP Win8 computer and Ubuntu 13. I installed a side by side and it refuses to dual boot. I disabled the Secure Boot, shut down and by sheer chance I hit the right combination of 'enter's in the UEFI to boot into Ubuntu - Finally. But it's still not dual booting without a ton of dancing around in the BIOS. I don't even know if this makes any sense. How can I make this a simple dual boot?


[09:18] <rmg51> Morning
[12:20] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:21] <teddy-dbear> Welcome back power twins ;-)
[18:38] <lazypower> I thought we got those modes set to where it takes an implicit action to become op
[18:38] <lazypower> hrm
[21:07] <ChinnoDog> I need to learn Ruby
[21:07] <ChinnoDog> override.vm.network :private_network, :ip => "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[21:08] <ChinnoDog> What is that? A function call? A hash of a hash? I'm not sure.
[21:56] <jthan> ChinnoDog: Puppet? Lol
[22:00] <ChinnoDog> That is part of my Vagrant configuration
[22:00] <ChinnoDog> I'm trying to read my private network IP out of the vagrant configuration but I don't know how.
[22:07] <waltman> ChinnoDog: If you already know perl or python, ruby's not hard to pick up.
[22:12] <jthan> waltman: Really?
[22:13]  * jthan is very afraid of ruby
[22:13] <jthan> I don't know.. I guess I'm more afraid of perl, too.
[22:13] <jthan> err...
[22:13] <jthan> not too
[22:13]  * jthan needs a nap
[22:13]  * jthan shuts up before he denounces something he actually likes or something
[22:20] <waltman> ruby's kind of the bastard stepchild of perl and python


[01:11] <aaditya> hello folks
[01:12] <aaditya> there's a broken link in ubottu's database
[01:12] <aaditya> !sparc
[01:12] <aaditya> kindly take a look
[01:14] <aaditya> perhaps this should be the correct link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[01:14] <genii> ubottu: sparc is Information on Ubuntu on SPARC platforms can be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[01:14] <genii> ubottu: no sparc is Information on Ubuntu on SPARC platforms can be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[01:15] <Pici> !no sparc is <reply> Information on Ubuntu on SPARC platforms can be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[01:15] <aaditya> thanks genii
[01:15] <aaditya> and pici
[01:15] <genii> Pici: Damn. I always forget that <reply> bit
[01:15] <Pici> genii: I know ;)
[01:15] <aaditya> here's another link we might include - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sparc/KnownIssues
[01:17] <genii> aaditya: That second page links off the one already given
[01:18] <aaditya> genii: oh ok, cool
[01:19] <genii> aaditya: If there are no other issues for you to raise here, please remember idling in this channel is not allowed.
[01:20] <aaditya> genii: no problem
[01:21]  * genii hands Mr. Pici a coffee
[01:21] <Pici> :P
[01:21] <genii> Pici: I'll be calling you that for a while now, you know
[01:24] <elky> genii, avoid 'not allowed' unless you want people to argue the point more than usual. 'strongly discouraged' is better
[01:24] <genii> elky: I thought about that fater actually and figure I should perhaps have said "not encouraged" or similar
[01:24] <genii> *after
[01:25] <elky> cool, so long as the reasoning is not lost on you
[01:25] <genii> :)
[01:26] <elky> meanwhile, my work vm has a keymap issue and it sucks.
[01:26] <elky> vmware is stupid sometimes.
[01:27] <elky> it of course reports 'generic 105 keyboard' or whatever at config time... irregardless if you have a funky laptop keyboard that's not really quite like generic keyboards.
[01:27] <elky> the up arrow launches screenshot. 10 times.
[01:27] <genii> Ouch
[01:27] <elky> the enter key likes to multi-press too.
[01:28] <elky> it is quite tiring since this is keeping me from doing actual work :(
[01:28] <Pici> Could you install some sort of remote desktop server on it then remote it?
[01:28] <Pici> er, s/it/in?
[01:31] <elky> Pici, SOE is vmware.
[01:32] <elky> there's several issues. firstly, the keymapping. secondly, the zillion-keypresses-instead-of-one thing.
[01:33] <elky> this is also centos. so i have zero confidence of getting an answer from the relevent channels
[01:34] <Pici> :/
[01:34] <elky> the keymap thing happens on my ubuntu vm too, but that's there for karmic funs.
[01:34] <Pici> hm
[01:35] <genii> !sftp
[01:35] <Pici> !ssh
[01:36] <genii> Maybe just append: ftp over SSH the-link-here
[01:38] <Pici> Thats a big factoid
[01:39] <genii> Pici: I'm more for appending the !ssh then alias !sftp to it, or similar
[01:40] <Pici> genii: I'm about to go eat, so its up to you.
[01:40] <genii> You can do any number of thing over SSH. Like dd even
[01:41] <genii> Whats the syntax of adding an alias? I didn't see it on the bot usage page
[01:41] <Pici> !baz is <alias> foo
[01:41] <Pici> !-baz
[01:41] <Pici> !-foo
[01:41] <genii> Hehe
[01:47] <aaditya> i'm back with another issue
[01:48] <aaditya> if ubottu knew about sftp, it'd be easier to explain newbies why to use sftp instead of samba
[01:48] <aaditya> sftp is SSH File Transfer Protocol provides file transfer and manipulation functionality over any reliable data stream. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol. For Windows SFTP server or client, http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier and http://winscp.net/
[01:48] <aaditya> could someone verify the info above and tell ubottu to remember it?
[01:50] <genii> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a Windows SSH client, it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . SSH can be used with protocols such as FTP, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles
[01:51] <aaditya> no, ssh is not used WITH ftp
[01:51] <aaditya> sftp is a different protocol
[01:51] <aaditya> SFTP is file transfer over an encrypted SSH stream
[01:53] <genii> aaditya: Many things can be done over SSH. dd for instance, not just ftp. sftp is regular ftp which is passed over an ssh connection, it is not a separate thing independent of ssh
[01:53] <aaditya> i agree
[01:54] <aaditya> but telling users that they can use SSH with FTP will give them the impression that they have to setup SSH and then FTP somehow
[01:55] <aaditya> moreover, gnome and kde support SFTP natively
[01:56] <genii> aaditya: ssh client is installed by default.
[01:57] <aaditya> that sounds better
[01:57] <aaditya> Gnome and KDE support SFTP by default..
[02:02] <genii> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a Windows SSH client, it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . Gnome and KDE  support SFTP (Secure FTP) by default, which also uses SSH , see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles
[02:02] <genii> aaditya: The idea is not to have a separate !sftp but point it to !ssh which would be modified to something similar to above
[02:04] <aaditya> genii: Got it. I'll make the factoid clear and easy to comprehend, and then get back to you.
[02:07] <genii> aaditya: For now I'll adjust the existing !ssh to the above and point !sftp to it.
[02:07] <aaditya> ok, i'm almost done though
[02:07] <genii> (if there are no objections from others)
[02:08] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol. For SSH functionality on Windows, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/, http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier and ht
[02:08] <genii> aaditya: The problem is that there is limited facgtoid length
[02:09] <aaditya> that's what i was thinking
[02:09] <aaditya> genii: is there a max character count?
[02:09] <genii> aaditya: Yes. Off hand I'm not sure what though. Likely where it cut off what you put
[02:10] <aaditya> let's remove some of the links then
[02:10] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. For SSH functionality in Windows: http://www.bitvise.com/tunnelier
[02:11] <aaditya> the windows client, tunnelier, is more user friendly than putty and is free for personal use
[02:11] <aaditya> WinSCP is free too
[02:11] <genii> Hm
[02:12] <genii> aaditya: tunnelier is not open-source, putty is
[02:12] <aaditya> yes that's the thing with tunnelier
[02:13] <aaditya> WinSCP is open source and better than Putty
[02:14] <aaditya> but looks like WinSCP does not provide an ssh shell interface
[02:14] <aaditya> let's keep putty in that case
[02:14] <genii> aaditya: I would not link to tunnelier over putty in this tacfoid for an ssh client. winscp is fine for windows sftp client however
[02:15] <aaditya> genii: so putty and winscp?
[02:15] <genii> aaditya: Yes
[02:16] <genii> Conciely if possible :)
[02:16] <genii> *concisely
[02:17] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. For SSH functionality in Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ and http://winscp.net/
[02:18] <genii> aaditya: It becomes in that case confusing if winscp is an ssh client or no. 1 minute and I'll consider a rewrite here
[02:18] <aaditya> genii: alright
[02:21] <aaditya> let's also point "scp" to the same factoid
[02:21] <genii> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ is a Windows SSH client. SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles . WinSCP provides similar functionality for Windows: http://winscp.net/
[02:22] <genii> !scp
[02:22] <aaditya> hm
[02:22] <genii> aaditya: !scp is functional as-is
[02:22] <aaditya> yes
[02:23] <genii> aaditya: In fact Can just reference !scp from in the !ssh
[02:23] <aaditya> i have a feeling that sftp and scp should be a single factoid and ssh should be separate
[02:24] <aaditya> can we keep the existing SSH and add the extra sftp information to scp instead of ssh?
[02:24] <aaditya> and then point sftp to the scp factoid?
[02:24] <genii> aaditya: This makes more functional sense, yes
[02:25] <aaditya> i'm at it
[02:25] <genii> !ssh
[02:27] <genii> ubottu: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH
[02:27] <genii> ubottu: no, SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH
[02:30] <genii> Oops
[02:30] <genii> ubottu: no, SSH is <reply> the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH
[02:30] <genii> Bah.
[02:30] <genii> ubottu: no, SSH is <reply> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !scp for secure file copy, which also uses SSH
[02:30]  * genii quadruple-checks
[02:31] <genii> !ssh
[02:31] <aaditya> now i'm confused lol
[02:31] <aaditya> SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality across networks over !SSH. SCP is a secure way of copying files over !SSH. Usage: `scp filename user@host:filename`. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[02:33] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !SCP for more info on securely copying files over networks.
[02:34] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ . See !SCP for more info on securely copying files over SSH.
[02:35] <aaditya> genii: i'm back
[02:39] <genii> aaditya: Factoid changes are not committed until the bot is directed to replace the old one with the agreed-upon new one. So I just modified the original !ssh
[02:39] <aaditya> genii: I noticed that
[02:40] <aaditya> i was confused with the number of times it was changed :P
[02:40] <aaditya> anyways
[02:40]  * genii makes more coffee
[02:41] <aaditya> heh
[02:41] <aaditya> you might want to consider the last SSH that I posted above
[02:41] <aaditya> and the SFTP one could have "scp", "sftp" and "winscp" pointed towards it
[02:43] <genii> We'll sort it out :)
[02:43] <aaditya> cool :)
[02:46] <aaditya> I'm working on becoming a member of Team Ubuntu. The docs say that "Contributions should be significant and visible". What'd be considered significant? 200th best contributer in brainstorm and helping people in #ubuntu?
[02:47] <genii> aaditya: I'm not sure thats within the scope of this channel
[02:47] <aaditya> genii: Ah I see. Which channel then?
[02:48] <genii> !contribute
[02:48] <genii> Hm
[02:48] <genii> aaditya: You may want to ask in #ubuntu-motu , if anywhere
[02:49] <aaditya> genii: alright, thanks :)
[02:49] <aaditya> genii: I'm heading out now, hoping to see those factoid changes committed soon. Thanks for your time and cooperation.
[02:50] <genii> aaditya: You're welcome
[03:06]  * genii contemplates the factoid mess
[03:08]  * Seeker` contemplates NDCS
[03:08] <Seeker`> *NCDS
[03:10] <genii> ?
[03:12] <genii> OK, is this acceptable?
[03:12] <genii> !ssh
[03:13] <Seeker`> bit long isn't it?
[03:14] <genii> Seeker`: Yes :( Maybe to remove the advanced usgaes, you think? That page has useful info on tunneling vnc, socksn and sshfs though
[03:15] <genii> Bleh typos
[03:15] <Seeker`> I think that putty should be a seperate factoid
[03:15] <Seeker`> maybe
[03:16] <genii> !putty
[03:16] <genii> Hm
[03:17] <genii> Seeker`: I'm all for that, I don't know how to un-alias though
[03:20] <genii> I imagine you tell it to forget the aliased name but I don't want to do that and wipe out the original
[03:21] <tiyowan> Hi...um, can someone please point out to me why I've been banned from the Ubuntu channel?
[03:21] <Seeker`> you pinged the whole channel
[03:21] <tiyowan> Yikes.
[03:23] <tiyowan> Sorry about that; I'm setting up irssi on cygwin using rxvt...
[03:23] <Seeker`> I'll remove the ban if you can guarantee that it will never happen again
[03:24] <tiyowan> Agreed. :)
[03:25] <Seeker`> you should be able to get back in
[03:26]  * elky debates ordering pizza for lunch...
[03:26] <tiyowan> Thank you very much. Aha, I think I know how that happened. Hmm, oversight in the irssi script. Could you point out an acceptable way to find out the lag between myself and #ubuntu?
[03:28] <Seeker`> doesn't irssi display the lag if it is more than 1 second?
[03:29] <nalioth> yes, irssi displays lag
[03:29] <tiyowan> Seeker: Yes, it does. Perhaps I could pull that out af a var. Okay, thanks a lot. And sorry about that.
[03:30] <nalioth> tiyowan: it's better to ping the server itself
[03:30] <nalioth> channels don't respond to pings
[03:31] <tiyowan> nalioth: For example, pinging irc.freenode.net?
[03:33] <tiyowan> Anyway, I'll figure something out. Thank you for your assistance, folks. Have a nice day.
[03:44]  * genii sips
[04:02] <genii> Hm.
[04:02] <genii> putty is <reply> PuTTY is an !SSH client for Windows. Please see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage and downloads. See also !scp (Secure CoPy)
[04:03] <genii> I'm getting from bot "putty is something else" but then when: no, putty is newthing  it says it knows nothing about putty
[04:04]  * genii pokdes at tsimpson
[04:21] <Myrtti> sigh damned bees
[04:23] <genii> Myrtti: You got bit?
[04:58] <Myrtti> genii: no, woke up
[05:00] <genii> Ah. Yes, they can be very noisy. Especially the large queens
[08:27] <elky> both limewire and frostwire suck.
[08:27] <Pici> limewire is <reply> limewire sucks
[08:34] <aaditya> I had a discussion here with genii about 6 hours ago about updating certain factoids
[08:34] <aaditya> Users could be benefited by updating "sftp" and "scp"
[08:37] <Pici> aaditya: And?
[08:37] <Pici> aaditya: Looks like it was done.
[08:38] <aaditya> !sftp
[08:38] <aaditya> !scp
[08:38] <aaditya> only SSH factoid was modified
[08:39] <aaditya> I and genii discussed setting sftp and scp to the following:
[08:39] <aaditya> "SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality across networks over !SSH. SCP is a secure way of copying files over !SSH. Usage: `scp filename user@host:filename`. For more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles. WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/"
[08:39] <aaditya> I also proposed pointing WinSCP to the same factoid
[08:40] <Pici> Theres really not a lot of information about sftp on that wiki page
[08:41] <aaditya> yes
[08:41] <aaditya> Gnome and KDE support the sftp protocol scheme by default
[08:41] <aaditya> though
[08:45] <Pici> aaditya: If you can come up with a (preferably) short factoid for sftp that doesn't just have a link to 1 sentence about it then I'll add it.
[08:47] <gnomefreak> secure ftp (nss IIR) and link to a wiki but that is exactly what you are not looking for
[08:49] <gnomefreak> aaditya: Pici man sftp the description should have enough in it for factiod
[08:50]  * gnomefreak just did that
[08:50] <aaditya> gnomefreak: yes, but that's sftp program
[08:50] <Pici> I'm not running on enough sleep to come up with a factoid from scratch.
[08:51] <aaditya> i'm preparing a factoid for SFTP protocol; will have it ready in another minute
[08:51] <gnomefreak> aaditya: the problem being?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> aaditya: add info about the app. the protocol should be added to that. info app; than link it to something about protocol, Just using protocol isnt helpfull if people dont know what the app does/is
[08:53] <aaditya> gnomefreak: yes. check this out:
[08:53] <aaditya> SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) provides file transfer and manipulation functionality across networks over !SSH. SFTP is supported in Gnome and KDE by default. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol. WinSCP is a client for Windows: http://winscp.net/
[08:53] <elky> !sftp is <alias> ssh
[08:54] <elky> !sftp
[08:54] <Pici> hugonormous factoid
[08:54] <gnomefreak> yeah a bit big
[08:54] <aaditya> it does not explain what sftp is...
[08:54] <gnomefreak> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol,
[08:55] <gnomefreak> it does
[08:55] <aaditya> that link to docs has been changed to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[08:55] <gnomefreak> if we add the last link to the 2nd link that will make it a bit smaller
[08:56] <aaditya> Information about SSH server is a part of the wiki page, so we can take that off
[08:56] <Flannel> The last link is the only one that mentions sftp at all.  If you're going to remove that, youreally ought to make a separate factoid for sftp
[08:57] <Flannel> a !sftp factoid that mentions sftp two times removed isn't really great
[08:57] <gnomefreak> have windows info on one of the links that tells you what sftp instead of in faction
[08:57] <gnomefreak> -n +d
[08:58] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. Putty is an SSH client for Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/. For transferring files over SSH, check !SCP and !SFTP
[08:58] <aaditya> even the "advanced SSH uses" page is linked from the wiki, so we don't need to have that in the factoid
[09:00] <gnomefreak> the problem with that is sftp is alias to ssh so any link we have htere needs to point to both or make it separate
[09:00] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. For transferring files over SSH, check !SCP and !SFTP. Putty is an SSH client for Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[09:00] <aaditya> gnomefreak: it'd be better to make the separate
[09:01] <gnomefreak> no really since it does same thing, if the link talks about ssh ftp and sftp it would work great
[09:01] <gnomefreak> s/no/not
[09:01] <gnomefreak> too early for me to make edit wikis
[09:02] <aaditya> i'm not sure about that because SSH is a shell, while SFTP is a way of transferring files. They certainly use the same protocol, but a user perceives them differently.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> http://www.openssh.org/ is helpful and nice sort of it is mainly about the suite
[09:03] <gnomefreak> aaditya: that is the same as ftp and since they both use ssh i dont see a problem
[09:04] <gnomefreak> !openssh
[09:05] <Pici> I personally think thats too much information.
[09:05] <aaditya> Pici: I agree
[09:05] <gnomefreak> Pici: it is and it really should mention that it is a suite and brings in ftp sftp ect...
[09:05] <gnomefreak> or link to http://www.openssh.org/
[09:05] <Pici> You can modify it ;)
[09:06] <aaditya> i have a feeling that newbies will have a hard time understanding the suite
[09:06] <gnomefreak> give me a few more hours to wake up. i have been up less than 30 minutes so far
[09:07] <gnomefreak> ??? install openssh since you sort of have to anyway for use of ssh
[09:07] <aaditya> there are often people in #ubuntu who are fed up with samba. It'd be easy to show them a SFTP factoid to explain them how to get a better functionality in terms of file sharing.
[09:07] <gnomefreak> !samba
[09:09] <gnomefreak> aaditya: its a differnet factiod for samba than ssh so i dont see an issue with that. the link we have for ssh is good only need to shorten it IMHO
[09:09] <Flannel> ssh is installed by default
[09:09] <aaditya> We'd be better off helping them setting up SFTP rather than solving Samba problems ;)
[09:09] <Flannel> (client)
[09:09] <gnomefreak> samba is a pian in the but to use
[09:09] <gnomefreak> aaditya: people will use samba and would need help
[09:09] <gnomefreak> Flannel: not default
[09:10] <gnomefreak> ssh:
[09:10] <gnomefreak>   Installed: (none)
[09:10] <gnomefreak>   Candidate: 1:5.1p1-5ubuntu1
[09:10] <aaditya> my proposal is to create a separate SFTP factoid so that we could allow users to switch to SFTP
[09:10] <Flannel> gnomefreak: "ssh" is both server and client (metapackage)
[09:10] <Flannel> openssh-client
[09:11] <gnomefreak> aaditya: to sparate it from ssh/ftp is not helpful since they are pretty much related. sftp is a more secure ftp and as i recall man ftp has a secure switch in it
[09:11] <Myrtti> are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that people should use ssh and sftp over samba?
[09:11] <aaditya> Myrtti: Yes, seriously.
[09:12] <Tm_T> I haven't used samba in 4 years now I think (:
[09:12] <gnomefreak> it doesnt make any sense to me. I say link sftp to ssh/ftp shorten it and call it a day.
[09:12] <Pici> Windows cannot easily mount anything other than samba.
[09:13] <gnomefreak> make a wiki and we will link it to that
[09:13] <Tm_T> Pici: what about people without Windows?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> if it has enough good info on it
[09:13] <Myrtti> Tm_T: we live in the real world
[09:13] <Myrtti> Tm_T: NFS.
[09:13] <aaditya> for those who want a change, or have a choice, WinSCP and Putty do a reasonably good job
[09:13] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I know, just said (:)
[09:13] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: mac can use samba cant it?
[09:13] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: no idea, but I guess yes
[09:14] <Pici> aaditya: Thats not a mounted filesystem
[09:14] <Myrtti> the performance of ssh in *LAN* file transfer is so bad it shouldn't be suggested to replace samba
[09:14] <Tm_T> Myrtti: aye, that too
[09:14] <Myrtti> and samba shouldn't be used in WAN connections anyway
[09:14]  * gnomefreak sneaks away for a smoke ;)
[09:14] <aaditya> Pici: there is a windows program to "mount" SSH drives. i'll look it up now
[09:14] <Pici> aaditya: I know, I'm using it here.
[09:14] <Myrtti> I'd rather use samba than ssh to transfer stuff in a LAN anytime
[09:15] <Myrtti> (though I prefer NFS, since I don't have windows machinery)
[09:15] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I don't but that's then again me, as I don't use LAN transfers that often
[09:15] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I used to do my backups to my homeserver, and doing it over ssh is a MAJOR pain in the butt
[09:15] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I can imagine, yes
[09:16] <Myrtti> ssh quadrupled the transfer time, and strained the processors of both machines to idiotic amounts
[09:16] <Tm_T> aye, it's cpu-intensive with enough traffic
[09:16] <Myrtti> ssh shouldn't be suggested to replace samba, ever. Samba shouldn't be suggested to use over Internet file transfers.
[09:17] <Myrtti> if you want to replace samba, use NFS
[09:17] <Tm_T> agreed
[09:17] <aaditya> !nfs
[09:17] <Myrtti> and if you want to replace samba printers, use cupsd
[09:17] <aaditya> does windows support NFS in any form?
[09:18] <Myrtti> aaditya: samba has a valid usecase in a heterogenious environment
[09:18] <Myrtti> if the network has Windows computers
[09:18] <Pici> I don't believe it has NFS support out of the box.
[09:18] <aaditya> Myrtti: agreed
[09:18] <Myrtti> probably, most likely not.
[09:19] <Myrtti> in my opinion nfs is easier to setup than samba, but it also requires that the network is quite homogenous
[09:20]  * Myrtti feels the need to write a rant blog entry
[09:21] <aaditya> Would it be reasonable to suggest users to setup NFS on their windows box?
[09:21]  * gnomefreak expects a bubble
[09:21] <Myrtti> aaditya: whut?
[09:21] <aaditya> Myrtti: i got my answer ;)
[09:22] <Myrtti> aaditya: as I just said, NFS isn't for networks with an intention to share files between Windows computer(s) to others
[09:22] <Myrtti> linux is the most flexible part of the equasion
[09:23] <aaditya> ok. For those who wish to transfer files securely over WAN, should be have a separate factoid for SFTP?
[09:23] <Myrtti> aaditya: doesn't the SFTP factoid already cover it?
[09:23] <aaditya> !sftp
[09:24] <aaditya> it doesn't
[09:24] <Myrtti> works like a charm.
[09:24] <Myrtti> oh?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> not really since it is the same as ftp -x (doesnt feel like looking the switch up but i would guess either -s or -S
[09:24] <aaditya> Myrtti: it does not mention file transfer at all
[09:25] <aaditya> Myrtti: and it's too long. i'll copy paste a replacement for !SSH that I proposed earlier.
[09:25] <gnomefreak> links do and maybe use tiny link to create the links. at least than it will shorten the factiod
[09:25] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. For transferring files over SSH, check !SCP and !SFTP. Putty is an SSH client for Windows: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[09:26] <gnomefreak> separate ssh factiod makes no sense since ftp sftp uses ssh
[09:26] <aaditya> we don't need the other two links since those are mentioned in the wiki docs
[09:26] <Myrtti> so, has there been an agreement *NOT* to edit that factoid to that form?
[09:26] <Myrtti> or what are we discussing here for?
[09:26] <gnomefreak> +1 Myrtti
[09:27] <aaditya> there hasn't been any agreement yet
[09:27] <Myrtti> jolly good.
[09:28] <Tm_T> I say no for separate sftp factoid, include it to ssh
[09:28] <Tm_T> and/or ftp
[09:28] <Myrtti> oh for gods sake
[09:28] <aaditya> Tm_T: that works
[09:28]  * Myrtti vanishes to work
[09:28] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html should mention putty IMHO but it has to have doc team member to change it
[09:29] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: why not openssh-client?
[09:29] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: wohoo, I'm a member.
[09:29] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: good point
[09:29] <Myrtti> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Emyrtti/+participation
[09:29] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: and I was partly kidding, though I believe you can use it with KDE in Windows too (;)
[09:31] <aaditya> apparently fccf didn't realize that he was telling ubottu to modify a factoid
[09:31] <gnomefreak> at the very least we should use ubuntu links since we are supporting it. for example http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ should use ubuntu link instead
[09:32] <gnomefreak> aaditya: not many people do
[09:32] <aaditya> gnomefreak: ubuntu link as in?
[09:32] <gnomefreak> as in a wiki or a ubuntu doc
[09:33] <aaditya> gnomefreak: yeah
[09:33] <gnomefreak> since its all about connecting to windows -> linux and vice versa
[09:34] <aaditya> in addition to that, it's also about linux <-> linux
[09:34] <aaditya> we don't want windows, remember bug #1? ;)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo
[09:34] <gnomefreak> aaditya: that is why i said vice versa
[09:35] <gnomefreak> that link mentions putty fairly well IMHO
[09:35] <gnomefreak> and other windows apps like cygwin
[09:36] <aaditya> gnomefreak: true. the putty link should be replaced with this one.
[09:38] <gnomefreak> other than that change shorten it and done but the shortening it is the problem since there is very little info in the factiod other than links but i am out of ideas
[09:38] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH. For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP or !SFTP. Connecting via SSH from different platforms: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo
[09:38] <gnomefreak> oh and MAC does use the same as
[09:38] <gnomefreak> us
[09:39] <aaditya> yes
[09:39] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH.== bad link
[09:39] <gnomefreak> ah remove the . from it
[09:39] <aaditya> it's the dot in the end
[09:40] <gnomefreak>  instead use a | or something
[09:40] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP or !SFTP. Connecting via SSH from different platforms: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo
[09:40] <Myrtti> so we're still having the separate factoids?
[09:40] <aaditya> let's replace the second dot too
[09:40] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP or !SFTP | Connecting via SSH from different platforms https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo
[09:40] <Myrtti> several have already protested that
[09:40] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: no i am aginst that but im only 1 person
[09:40] <aaditya> Myrtti: not a separate one
[09:41] <gnomefreak> just fix this one a little
[09:41] <aaditya> Myrtti: SFTP should still point to something meaningful, like FTP or SCP
[09:41] <aaditya> not FTP, since that's about FTP clients
[09:42] <gnomefreak> see !SCP or !SFTP in factiod suggests they are different
[09:42] <aaditya> let's also remove !SFTP from the SSH one above
[09:42] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP | Connecting via SSH from different platforms https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo
[09:42] <aaditya> and one colon before the last link
[09:42] <Myrtti> so currently sftp and ssh are the same
[09:43] <gnomefreak> maybe use SSH, for more info see !scp
[09:43] <Myrtti> so you *do* want separate factoids?
[09:43] <aaditya> Myrtti: no, currently SFTP points to SSH
[09:43] <Myrtti> aaditya: ie. are the same
[09:43] <aaditya> Myrtti: I believe that SFTP should point to SCP, not SSH
[09:43]  * Myrtti goes to get more coffee
[09:43] <aaditya> Myrtti: I agree that SFTP shouldn't be a separate factoid..
[09:44] <gnomefreak> why? sftp/ftp use SSH
[09:44] <gnomefreak> !scp
[09:44] <aaditya> gnomefreak: lol we should discuss that afterwards. let's fix !SSH first
[09:45] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: what's sftp/ftp?
[09:45] <Myrtti> is this some new technical innovation I've not heard of?
[09:45] <Tm_T> not ssh sftp implementation, I guess
[09:45] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: what do you mean?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> oh the /
[09:45] <aaditya> o.o
[09:46] <Myrtti> ftps != sftp != ftp
[09:46] <Tm_T> indeed
[09:46] <Myrtti> totally different animals, all of them
[09:46] <aaditya> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP_over_SSH#FTP_over_SSH_.28not_SFTP.29
[09:48] <Myrtti> hohii
[09:48] <Myrtti> so theres
[09:48] <Myrtti> a) ftp b) ftp over ssh c) ftps d) sftp
[09:49]  * Myrtti rolls the roulette
[09:49] <aaditya> haha
[09:49] <Myrtti> if you weren't confused enough about this factoid editing business, now you're screwed
[09:49] <Myrtti> oh and e) ssh
[09:50] <Myrtti> lets toss in telnet, samba, nfs and sshfs in the same mix
[09:50] <Tm_T> don't forget telnet?
[09:50] <Flannel> and sneakernet!
[09:50] <Tm_T> bah
[09:50] <aaditya> and rsh
[09:50] <Myrtti> wohoo
[09:50] <Myrtti> the old factoid seems so nice now
[09:50] <gnomefreak> tthey screwed up latest nightly of gwibber :( now to clear you have to clear than refresh
[09:50] <aaditya> haha
[09:51] <aaditya> let's start over
[09:51] <aaditya> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol; see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH | For transferring files over SSH, see !SCP | Connecting via SSH from different platforms https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/ConnectingTo
[09:51] <aaditya> does it look good?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> telnet sends password in clear text
[09:51] <Tm_T> aaditya: why separate scp ?
[09:51] <aaditya> !scp
[09:51] <gnomefreak> its pretty much on the same level
[09:51] <aaditya> Tm_T: because it would be too much info in one factoid otherwise
[09:53] <aaditya> could someone update the SSH factoid?
[09:54]  * gnomefreak can care less about scp since it is the same concept as ssh only difference iin the factiods is a windows link
[09:54] <gnomefreak> - concept
[09:54] <aaditya> gnomefreak: concept might be the same, but they do different things
[09:55] <gnomefreak> thew do same things but with different features
[09:55] <gnomefreak> they even
[09:55] <aaditya> gnomefreak: i can't agree on this one
[09:55] <gnomefreak> copying files is what this is all about
[09:56] <gnomefreak> ftp sftp ssh and so on all are used to copy files
[09:56] <aaditya> gnomefreak: SSH is not about copying files. It's about a remote Shell.
[09:56] <gnomefreak> aaditya: it is used by other apps to copy files
[09:57] <gnomefreak> why doesnt it update itself after using clear bug or feature
[10:00]  * aaditya jumps off a cliff
[10:37] <Tm_T> hmm, are we aware of #ubuntu-love channel ?
[10:38] <ikonia> utter tosh
[10:38] <ikonia> this "let people create any channel they want" is stupid in my opinion
[10:39] <ikonia> its got a cloaked locobot in it
[10:39] <Tm_T> so whe should know of it?
[10:39] <ikonia> I don't know of it
[10:40] <ikonia> that doesn't mean it's not valid
[10:40] <ikonia> I don't think it is, as it's a.) got no topic b.) what in the world could #ubuntu-love be about
[10:40] <Tm_T> then why it has that locobot then?
[10:40] <ikonia> I don't know
[10:40] <Tm_T> I'm just wondering (:
[10:40] <Myrtti> because it's got jdub
[10:40] <Tm_T> ah
[10:40] <Myrtti> ask jdub what he thought at the time
[10:51] <topyli> #gnome-love on gimpnet is for newbies looking for easy tasks and trivial bugs so that they can get started
[10:52] <topyli> perhaps someone has thought about creating something similar
[10:52] <Myrtti> I guess that's the same here then
[11:11] <Tm_T> erUSUL: not entirely, there's parts which gets ignored
[11:11] <erUSUL> feel free to edit it :)
[11:11] <Tm_T> unfortunately I have no knowledge nor time (;)
[11:12] <Tm_T> ofcourse I can always say "noooooooo!!1" (;)
[11:12] <erUSUL> Tm_T: a factoid is not a wiki or man page...
[11:12] <jussi01> erUSUL: a link could be useful - perhaps a wiki entry about this?
[11:12] <Tm_T> erUSUL: I know
[11:13] <Tm_T> still I tend to use time to think it properly
[11:13] <erUSUL> jussi01: well there are factoids more needed of some love that this new one... the sound and fixres ones como to mind
[11:14] <jussi01> erUSUL: you are welcome to love them also.... :D
[11:14] <erUSUL> Tm_T: but anyway i think it would save me some typing in #ubuntu. Nothing lost for trying. Good day.
[11:14] <jussi01> erUSUL: thing is, Im not adding incomplete factoids ;)
[11:15] <Myrtti> meh
[11:15] <Tm_T> ...
[11:15] <Tm_T> we didn't hug him enough?
[11:25] <Pici> i bet
[11:25] <ikonia> so #ubuntu-love is basically #ubuntu-simple - which is the multi-teir support process that has been rjected many times ?
[11:25] <Pici> #ubuntu-love?
[11:25] <ikonia> Pici: yup, Tm_T noted a channel called #ubuntu-lve
[11:25] <ikonia> love
[11:26] <Pici> Sounds like a hippie channel
[11:27] <Pici> or would that be #ubuntu-free-love
[11:28] <Myrtti> if you suggest that it should have members of #ubuntu-women as decoys, I'll kill you.
[11:28] <Myrtti> I'll come over the cable and seriously hurt you
[11:28]  * Pici shrugs, is running on no sleep
[11:29] <Pici> I'd never say that.
[11:29] <elky> ikonia, #ubuntu-love has been around for longer than -ot iirc.
[11:30] <Myrtti> Pici: I know you wouldn't, after all my venting and ranting
[11:30] <elky> not quite. it's a jdub thing though, and hasnt been touched since 3 weeks after it was made.
[11:31] <ikonia> no way
[11:31] <ikonia> >/shock>
[12:56] <tsimpson> genii: it means it was forgotten (!search putty)
[14:08]  * genii sips
[14:08]  * Pici blinks
[15:03]  * genii makes a *lot* more coffee
[15:10]  * jussi01 eats another grumblefish
[15:49] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell fafaz about pm
[17:39] <genii> I'm so tempted to debate the merits of pornography now in -ot . But I'll refrain
[17:40] <Myrtti> lenna? *grin*
[17:40] <genii> I have no idea what lenna is
[17:40] <Myrtti> google it, dear
[18:03] <jussi01> haha
[18:04] <Tm_T> Myrtti: suggesting something like that is against channel policy, isn't it?
[18:05] <Seeker`> like what?
[18:05] <genii> Flog me instead, I deserve it
[18:07] <Flannel> Tm_T: Lena is a standard image [compression/manipulation/whatever] algorithm benchmark, I can't see how it'd be against channel policy
[18:07] <Tm_T> Flannel: see again
[18:08]  * Myrtti hides in shame
[18:08] <Flannel> again?
[18:08] <jussi01> oh meh...
[18:08] <jussi01> move on
[18:08] <Myrtti> Flannel: I seem to be getting proficient in making an ass out of myself
[18:08] <Myrtti> -->
[18:28] <jussi01> Im just running out, maybe someon wants to sort this out: [20:26:29] --> man_sex<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[18:35] <Jack_Sparrow> I'll ask nicely if they will change their nick
[18:37] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: I think you may have been a little premature on calling OT
[18:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` noted, but the whole dod vs hippa law was dragging out
[18:38] <Jack_Sparrow> gordonjcp Refused to listen and just got rude in channel over it
[18:38] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: perhaps you should have asked some other ops' opinion?
[18:38] <Myrtti> just a suggestion
[18:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Ill read back through
[18:48] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: reread it?
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> The log was not up to date and neither was scrollback.. hold on
[18:53] <Seeker`> how can scrollback not be up to date?
[18:54] <Jack_Sparrow> scrollback has a limited size
[18:54] <Jack_Sparrow> the logs go until 18:00
[18:54] <Seeker`> what about bantracker?
[18:55] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[18:55] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[18:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` Put the log into a pastebin and we can both look it over
[18:57] <Seeker`> its gonna be awkward for me to extract the whole thing
[18:58] <Seeker`> I can paste a /lastlog gordonjcp
[18:59] <Myrtti> or just wait few minutes, an have the irclogs.ubuntu.com
[19:01] <Jack_Sparrow> NOt a problem, I have been wrong before, but I was not about to let him continue getting mouthy in channel .  His point was that if a person is using ubuntu then it is not offtopic.  The entire conversation was about formatting a partition on a windows machine so the machine could be given away.  then drifted into dod and hippa laws
[19:51] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: do you think he could be unbanned then?
[19:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` HE said he had long quit suppoting ubuntu.. as in..  one sec..
 tbh this is why I stopped supporting ubuntu maintainers with my own software, and why I stopped generally helping out in the channel
[19:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` that ot on dod/hippa lasted over half an hour...
[19:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` http://paste.ubuntu.com/185929/        are the basics.  I have no problem unbanning him. I asked him to read the coc and guidelines and never heard back
[19:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` Ban removed.  I stick by my opinion of that as offtopic and gordons response in channel was not acceptable.  even for a fi user
[19:57] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: and I think you should have called another op to look in and mediate
[19:57] <Jack_Sparrow> I have never seen that done for offtopic
[19:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Do you think you may be a bit partial for another fi user
[19:58] <Myrtti> he's not finnish
[19:58] <Myrtti> he's from scotland, just happens to have a server here on somebodys bedroom
[19:58] <Jack_Sparrow><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:59] <Myrtti> a bit like half of the kubuntu ops seem to be ircing from jussi01's closet
[19:59] <Myrtti> :-D
[19:59] <Pici> :)
[19:59] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[20:03] <Myrtti> he's one of the oldest entities of -offtopic and #ubuntu and as such might not totally happy with the changes the channels have gone through over the years. I do agree that if he wants to stay out because of these issues, he's welcome to do so, but I still wouldn't have used kick/kb to get the point through
[20:04] <Jack_Sparrow> That was not until after the personal insults..  but understood
[20:05] <Myrtti> however I'm not going to invite him here, or invite him to #ubuntu, or discuss with him on pm - I know his personality to some degree and he's quite flamboyant to say the least
[20:06] <Jack_Sparrow> To say the least..
[20:06] <Myrtti> and doing anything else than just removing the ban would just make things worse
[20:06] <Jack_Sparrow> That has already been done
[20:06] <Myrtti> yup
[20:06] <Myrtti> which is why I'll just say ins'allah and move on
[20:18] <jussi01> *wave*
[20:19] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 And what about all of these shell accounts coming from your closet
[20:19] <jussi01> what?
[20:20] <jussi01> its my mates office, not my closet, get it right
[20:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti Said <Myrtti> a bit like half of the kubuntu ops seem to be ircing from jussi01's closet
[20:20] <Myrtti> kekekekeke
[20:20] <Myrtti> *snerk*
[20:20] <Jack_Sparrow> It wasn't me officer, it was my friend
[20:20] <Myrtti> it wasn't me, it was the one armed man
[20:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Gag me, I will be putting up a windows box today.. just for my phone system
[20:21] <genii> It's that darn quassel. So cute and handy.
[20:21] <jussi01> *g*
[20:21] <jussi01> hows that? :D
[20:21] <Myrtti> oh noes :-×
[20:21] <Jack_Sparrow> ouch
[20:21]  * Myrtti zips up
[20:22] <Myrtti> !prayer | jussi01
[20:22] <Myrtti> *slap*
[20:22] <Mamarok> wow, great!
[20:22] <genii> I wonder if any religious types have ever called that factoid in a public channel
[20:23] <Myrtti> genii: that's my personal prayer which I chant on a day-to-day basis
[20:23] <Jack_Sparrow> not that I have seen
[20:23] <Myrtti> when I'm really, really, really ticked
[20:23] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: /msg ubottu ♥
[20:24]  * genii contemplates this utf-8 bot
[20:24] <jussi01> ladies and gents, we have a lot of bans in here, perhaps a few might need review? ;)
[20:26] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're free to review mine as I've reviewed yours in #ubuntu :-P
[20:27] <jussi01> hrm
[20:27] <jussi01> well theres a few that can go, just from looking at them
[20:27] <Jack_Sparrow> As always, mine are all reviewable, other than two I think that were specifically noted.
[20:27]  * Myrtti feels really tired
[20:27] <genii> I only have about ten. What's considered excessive?
[20:28]  * Pici *is* really tired
[20:28] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[20:29] <jussi01> c-0-r-e was klined, no?
[20:32] <Pricey> 19:31:37 -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban mirc_ [by niven.freenode.net, 10850555 secs ago]
[20:32] <Pricey> 19:31:37 -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban "Oracle*GreenDiamond" [by niven.freenode.net, 10850555 secs ago]
[20:32] <Pricey> 19:31:37 -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban "Oracle [by niven.freenode.net, 10850555 secs ago]
[20:32] <Pricey> 19:31:38 -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban "For [by niven.freenode.net, 10850556 secs ago]
[20:32] <Pricey> 19:31:38 -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban "For?you?ST47?:)?<3?w00t" [by niven.freenode.net, 10850556 secs ago]
[20:32] <jussi01> Pricey: ?
[20:33] <Pricey> Unless anyone thinks any of those look like they should stay... I'm going to remove them from #ubuntu later. The last 4 just seem... odd...
[20:33] <Pici> I'm guessing +d ?
[20:33] <Pricey> yep
[20:33] <jussi01> yeah, they look odd...
[20:35] <Pricey> I'm sure half of those bans could go too.
[20:35] <Pricey> I also just noticed that eternaljoy is banned by unaffiliated cloak in #ubuntu, though he was in there yesterday. (vorian)
[20:37] <jussi01> lovely...
[20:38] <Pricey> I don't think he raised any eyebrows so I'm sure he's fine to continue visiting... so is that ban still needed?
[21:07]  * Myrtti throws a flashbang on the floor and sneaks to bed
[21:11] <jussi01> !mint | Mamarok
[21:12] <Mamarok> thx, will remind her/him
[21:14] <jussi01> hrm, if I could be bothered Id write a factoid about the folderview thing and how to get "old style" desktop back
[22:24] <Mamarok> I am that close to kick adam...
[22:26] <Pricey> shove him to a support channel
[22:26] <Pricey> mute him if you really think it necessary
[22:27] <Mamarok> Pricey: well, OS bashing is trolling, no?
[22:28] <Pricey> bah, getting confused between channels


[09:38] <Drecondius> Hello
[09:38] <Drecondius> anybody here that can answer a question?
[10:33] <miha> i hope gnome/ubuntu will one day understand it's ugly to pack useless addon software in core package. i'd prefer thunderbird to evolution, but how to remove evolution without removign gnome. same for 2 obsolete mozilla derivates... if ubuntu had market share half of M$ you'd face huge trials for this :D
[10:35] <jpds> miha: You can't, evolution forms a central part of GNOME?
[10:38] <miha> well IE makes central part of windows, but M$ was forced to offer choice.
[10:39] <miha> windows update only works with IE
[10:39] <miha> still users can remove IE :D
[10:40] <miha> jpds not that i care about wasting GB's.. just a thought
[10:43] <jpds> miha: I still think it's a GNOME uptream problem, not ours.
[10:46] <joaopinto> miha, I am not sure what you are refering to, you can safely remove evolution
[10:46] <joaopinto> jpds, upstream are our problems too, it works on both directions
[10:46] <jpds> I've just tried here, and it seems to only want to remove evolution-* packages.
[10:51] <JanC> miha: you can easily remove evolution without removing all of gnome?
[10:54] <miha> cool. ok, what about emphaty and emphiphany (cant find that package) ?
[10:54] <miha> :D
[10:55] <miha> pidgin will go to, there's no match for amsn :D
[12:48] <switchgirl> anyone found a fix for Bug 569543
[12:48] <switchgirl> ?
[16:24] <joaopinto> hi
[16:24] <joaopinto> my gnome theme randomly fails to apply on login, what log should I check and which package should I file the bug against ?
[17:34] <desrt> is anyone else experiencing indicator-applet growing to eat 10GB of memory?
[18:47] <JanC> joaopinto: sounds like the gnome settings daemon doesn't load (correctly) or something
[18:47] <joaopinto> JanC, I have checked .xsessions-error and there was an error about gnome settings
[18:48] <joaopinto> I will file a bug on the next occurrence, the issue is not 100% reproducible, happened on 3/6 boots today
[18:49] <ccheney> anyone know why lucid can't play back hdv format anymore?
[18:49] <joaopinto> when the problem happens there are other gnome session startup apps which fail, like tomboy, reporting that tomboy dbus is not available
[18:49]  * ccheney is working on tracking down when it broke
[18:51] <JanC> joaopinto: it's related to programs in the session being started in parallel I think (which makes things faster, but sometimes causes weird issues like that)
[18:51] <joaopinto> JanC, do you know if there is a bug report about it ?
[18:51] <JanC> some sort of race condition I suppose
[18:51] <JanC> I suppose there are many  ☺
[18:51] <JanC> but no idea about a master bug or such
[18:52] <joaopinto> I have noted that gnome-do sometimes dos not start on the startup, I guess it might be related
[22:19] <ccheney> it appears gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly between 9.04 and 9.10 dropped support for HDV
[22:22]  * ccheney checks to see if this is a regression from hardy-lucid
[22:23] <ccheney> annoying in any case, i can't play my video camera video anymore, hadn't tried in a while since my move and it doesn't work anymore :-\
[22:26] <ccheney> it looks like between 9.04 and 9.10 it actually started detecting what type of video it is, but then stopped playing it
[22:39] <ccheney> yea worked in 8.04 also
[22:40] <ccheney> so this appears to be a issue of better detection then refusal to play, and/or code was removed
[22:40]  * ccheney checks 9.10 again closer to see if it did work there
[22:42] <ccheney> prior to 9.10 it did not detect the video well enough so you had to manually install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly to play it, now it does detect it but says there is no codec to play it
[22:44] <mdeslaur> ccheney: what progress :)
[22:45] <ccheney> mdeslaur: yea
[22:45] <ccheney> mdeslaur: looking at 9.10 closer to make sure the codec didn't maybe just move somewhere
[22:47]  * ccheney looks in changelog also to see if it was purposely broken
[22:48] <ccheney> nothing in debian changelog at least
[22:49] <ccheney> and no noticable bugs in debian or ubuntu about it
[22:52] <ccheney> we just pull directly from debian apparently so i guess i should ping him to see
[23:04] <ccheney> hmm actually it did work if i just cancel out of the screen that tells me i need another codec
[23:04] <ccheney> very weird
[23:06] <ccheney> hmm now it doesn't play anymore, wtf
[23:07] <ccheney> ok I got it to play but it does tell me it doesn't have the codec to play and seems a little crashy, played fine on 9.04 and before without the claim of no codec
[23:10] <ccheney> so it seems to be primarily it has no clue it already has the codec to play and complains for every file it attempts to play
[23:11] <ccheney> if you ignore the complaint it then does work


[17:45] <GuiLux> salut a tous
[20:14] <Rubbberducky> Is it possible to make my audio interface work on ubuntu studio?
[20:18] <jussi01> Rubbberducky: well if you tell us what the interface is...
[20:18] <Rubbberducky> I was hoping to get a response first lol ;P
[20:18] <Rubbberducky> Presonus firestudio mobile
[20:25]  * holstein has a presonus firepod
[20:26] <holstein> that works pretty well
[20:26] <Rubbberducky> oh?
[20:26] <Rubbberducky> Sweet
[20:26] <Rubbberducky> Im trying to understand how this all works
[20:26] <holstein> not sure about the firestudio though
[20:26] <Rubbberducky> I add mydelf to a couple new groups?
[20:26] <holstein> cool
[20:26] <holstein> i would suggest running sudo qjackctl
[20:27] <holstein> you can troubleshoot the firewire permissions issues that way
[20:27] <holstein> if you get it to run sudo, then you know it is possible
[20:28] <Rubbberducky> hmmm it didnt work
[20:28] <holstein> hmmm
[20:28] <Rubbberducky> i ran it though
[20:28] <holstein> jack ran?
[20:28] <Rubbberducky> didnt connect to server or something?
[20:28] <holstein> hmmm
[20:29] <holstein> did you select the firewire drive in jackd?
[20:29] <holstein> or qjackctl
[20:29] <Rubbberducky> no Im just getting started :)
[20:29] <holstein> firewire driver*
[20:29] <Rubbberducky>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory)
[20:29] <holstein> OH
[20:29] <holstein> well, for now
[20:30] <holstein> you can uncheck the realtime box in qjack
[20:30] <holstein> ctl
[20:30] <holstein> you running a realtime kernel Rubbberducky?
[20:31] <holstein> yeah, run sudo qjackctl
[20:31] <Rubbberducky> Im in ubuntu studio running the default w/e i installed yesterday
[20:31] <holstein> uncheck the realtime box
[20:31] <holstein> under setup
[20:31] <Rubbberducky> i did
[20:31] <holstein> choose firewire under driver
[20:32] <holstein> and hit start
[20:32] <holstein> actually, click OK first
[20:32] <holstein> to save
[20:32] <holstein> and then start
[20:32] <holstein> see if you got any joy
[20:32] <holstein> then we can go from there
[20:34] <Rubbberducky> could not connect to jack server as client
[20:35] <holstein> hmmm
[20:35] <holstein> its not looking good now that im google-ing
[20:35] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/35
[20:35] <holstein> Rubbberducky: try the freebob driver
[20:36] <holstein> thats the older version of ffado pretty much
[20:37] <Rubbberducky> hm :/
[20:38] <holstein> no luck?
[20:38] <holstein> what im finding on line
[20:38] <holstein> on ffado's site
[20:38] <holstein> is saying that presonus has offered to write linux drivers
[20:38] <holstein> or at least
[20:38] <holstein> make information available for drivers to be written
[20:39] <holstein> and that information has not been delivered :/
[20:39] <holstein> i had a hell of a time a few years ago trying to get the firepod to work
[20:40] <Rubbberducky> Well
[20:41] <Rubbberducky> If its such a massive pain maybe Ill say screw it
[20:41] <Rubbberducky> I might just go back to Ubuntu 9.1
[20:41] <Rubbberducky> Rather than studio.
[20:42] <Rubbberducky> Why have all this audio and video crap thats not compatible with anything?
[20:42] <holstein> i would suggest joining the ffado mailing list
[20:42] <holstein> very active
[20:42] <holstein> if somebody is using the firestudio, you could ask
[20:43] <Rubbberducky> mhmm
[20:43] <Rubbberducky> Thanks
[20:43] <holstein> good luck
[20:43] <Rubbberducky> :)