[12:38] <martin_> what's the best technology to use to for ubuntu gui java programming?
[12:39] <persia> martin_, CMOS?
[12:39] <persia> Kidding aside, the "best" technology is hard to answer.
[12:39] <persia> If you're building a standard GUI app, I'd recommend using swing for maximum portabilty.
[12:39] <martin_> what they best supported for native looking apps
[12:40] <persia> There are higher-level toolkits if you're looking for that.
[12:40] <martin_> can I bind java to gtk ?
[12:40] <persia> Well, "native" depends on the desktop environment.  Last I looked, the GTK bindings in Ubuntu were confusing (lots of incompatible versions), but that was a while ago.
[12:40] <persia> I remember hearing something about issues with QT, but that's pure hearsay, I haven't looked myself.
[12:41] <persia> Yes.  There are gtk bindings.  Getting the right version might be tricky, but that's it.
[12:41] <martin_> I heard of swing, I must research maximum though, thanks
[12:43] <martin_> do you know of a good place on the web for unix/linux introduction to java programming?
[12:43] <martin_> i mean linux centric
[12:46] <persia> Actually, no.
[12:47] <persia> My experience is that most of the time it doesn't matter if you're coding for linux or windows or OS/400.  The trick is to use the abstraction classes whenever you need services from the OS (e.g. file names need to use FILENAME_SEPARATOR rather than \ or / or :)
[12:48] <martin_> thanks for the advice
[12:49] <martin_> do you use eclipse or just a text editor?
[12:51] <persia> I mostly use a text editor for quick stuff, but I don't do that much Java development anymore.  When I did a lot of Java, I used netbeans.
[12:54] <martin_> when I attempted to use eclipse a while in ubuntu it was really slow so I didn't bother with java anymore, but now using Suns JVM in it seems like a native app for speed, I really now want to get into java, android spurred my interest again
[12:54] <martin_> * a while ago
[12:56] <persia> As I understand things, it's still an ancient version of eclipse.
[12:57] <persia> I know netbeans is up-to-date: perhaps it's worth a try.
[13:03] <martin_> I'm using the eclipse download from their website, codenamed ganymede or something like that!
[13:03] <martin_> Version: 3.4.1
[13:04] <persia> That works on Ubuntu?
[13:06] <martin_> yeah, properly fast too, if your using Sun JVM
[13:07] <persia> How about with OpenJDK?
[13:08] <martin_> I don't know the difference between versions to I went with the sun version
[13:09] <martin_> what exactly is openJDK v Sun's version?
[13:10] <slytherin> martin_: what do you mean?
[13:13] <martin_> well when installing the java run time and java jdk i went with the ones with sun in the name,
[13:15] <martin_> i have sun-java6-jdk & sun-java6-jdk installed and not openJDK
[13:16] <martin_> but I don't know the difference, but it seems really fast now
[13:19] <slytherin> martin_: openjdk is GPLed version of Sun's JDK. It may not be 100% compatible to Sun's JDK, but it is close. Also it is far better than any of the other free java compilers/runtimes
[13:21] <martin_> but hasn't sun released all of java under the GPL, which I presume would mean sun-java6-jdk is GPL'ed right, having said it did ask me to accept a license
[13:23] <slytherin> martin_: No. Not all of the APIs were completely developed by Sun. So Openjdk does not contain all the apis that Sun JDK contains. I don't have any link handy to show compatibility status.
[13:24] <persia> The versions with "sun" in the name are older versions, before the license change.  So OpenJDK is newer than those, but (as noted) only contains those bits that could be open-sourced.
[13:29] <martin_> yeah I was reading that sun couldn't open some parts as they don't own the copyright on them
[13:30] <martin_> which seems strange to me how they can incorporate things into a language that they don't own
[13:31] <persia> martin_, Well, for instance, if pre-opening, Sun wanted to have an MP3 encoder, they'd go to the MP3 inventors, and negotiate some licensing and sample code, and then they'd implement something.
[13:31] <persia> That license might not permit them to release the code open-source, so they'd have to remove that for the open-source version.
[13:32] <persia> With it now open, it's much more likely that any arrangements like that would include a clause to make sure the resulting code could be open.
[13:32] <martin_> oh I see, good point, I never thought of that, yeah good point
[13:32] <martin_> I guessing openJDK is exactly the same baring the stuff not included and so should run and comparable speed?
[13:34] <slytherin> martin_: right
[13:35] <persia> Might eve nbe faster, as it's a newer snapshot of the trunk code, so contains various improvements and fixes.
[13:36] <persia> Plus it's licensed to allow patches, and has gotten a few.
[13:45] <martin_> I might dabble in using that then, thanks
[13:51] <persia> It's the default Java everywhere it works, and it's the JRE against which we test most things.
[17:10] <icheyne> hi
[17:10] <icheyne> I can't get java to work on my new Intrepid install
[17:10] <icheyne> if I type "java" into the CLI I get nothing
[17:10] <icheyne> :(
[17:11] <persia> Did you install default-jre?
[17:11] <icheyne> persia, er
[17:11] <icheyne> I have sun-java6-jre
[17:12] <persia> Oh.  I'm not sure if that has the right glue.  `dpkg -L sun-java6-jre` to see where it put the files.
[17:13] <icheyne> ah ok
[17:16] <icheyne> I pasted the text here
[17:16] <icheyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72440/
[17:16] <icheyne> lots of text!
[17:16] <icheyne> no executables, AFAIKT
[17:25] <persia> icheyne, Hrm.  Dunno.  You might try reading the README
[17:26] <persia> Perhaps you need to run update-alternatives, although I'd think the maintainer scripts should do that for you.
[17:26] <icheyne> I'm just trying a reinstall right now
[17:26] <icheyne> purge, autoclean, etc
[17:30] <icheyne> sweet
[17:30] <icheyne> it works now
[17:30] <icheyne> 90% of stuff can be fixed with that
[17:30] <icheyne> somehow my install was borked and aptitude didn't realise it
[17:30] <icheyne> :D


[11:34] <kristian-aalborg> yay kernel-package
[19:03] <alexbligh1> If someone has a testing VM they don't mind losing, any chance you could see if #843892 is now repeatable (my previous instructions were wrong). Any kernel should do.
[19:04] <alexbligh1> LP #843892
[19:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 843892 in linux-lts-backport-natty "Repeatable kernel oops on container delete" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843892
[19:31] <alexbligh1> how do I associate LP #843892 with the Oneiric 3.0.0 kernel package? The search function seems to think no packages starting "linux-image-3" or "linux-3" exist (various combinations of hyphen, underscore etc. tried). Bug affects all kernels 2.6.26 upwards.
[19:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 843892 in linux-lts-backport-natty "Repeatable kernel oops on container delete" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843892
[20:16] <kristian-aalborg> hi all, I'm building a debian kernel on a mint system... I hope I can still chill?
[20:16] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[20:21] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu_p2 I'm following this, sans the /usr/src/ part


 @Sick_Rimmit Nomination deadline is?
[22:13] <valorie> yes, that needs to be sent out ASAP
[22:13] <valorie> I propose a week


[10:28] <fabbione> BenC: please pull from my repo on people: changes are only redhat-cluster-suite related.
[01:19] <BenC> fabbione: ok
[02:59] <fabbione> BenC: thanks
[03:07] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[03:16] <zul> heylo
[03:17] <BenC> fabbione: pong
[03:18] <fabbione> BenC: yo
[03:18] <fabbione> BenC: is there any reason why ia64 has no OCFS2?
[03:18] <fabbione> also.. for i386/amd64 it should probably move to -server only
[03:18] <fabbione> it doesn't make much sense to have it in desktop :)
[03:24] <fabbione> BenC: note that OCFS2 pulls in CONFIGFS
[03:24] <fabbione> so they need to move together
[03:24] <fabbione> i did try to play with the config script but it did mess up here
[03:24] <fabbione> so i wasn't sure how to make it properly
[03:24] <fabbione> well.. other than with vi
[03:58] <BenC> fabbione: I'll enable it for ia64 (not sure why it isn't), and get things moved to just -server on i386 and amd64
[03:58] <BenC> OCFS2 needs to move, what about cluster aswell?
[03:58] <fabbione> BenC: you rock!
[03:58] <fabbione> cluster too
[03:58] <fabbione> cluster moves together with GFS
[03:59] <fabbione> as it is now, for me it's more important to get a coherent config where i can install one kernel on each arch and get GFS and OCFS2
[03:59] <fabbione> we can sort them at the sprint in details
[04:01] <BenC> ok, so all desktop kernels (in i386 and amd64 where we have server kernels) should have GFS, CLUSTER and OCFS2 disabled
[04:02] <BenC> is CONFIGFS needed in desktop after that?
[04:02] <BenC> it may end up being needed by a thirdparty module, so maybe just leave it there
[04:03] <fabbione> as it is now, the only client for CONFIGFS is OCFS2
[04:03] <fabbione> i think what you suggest make sense afterall
[04:07] <BenC> ok, done
[04:07] <BenC> btw, benh sent me a patch to support dual-core G5's and iMac G5 with isight
[04:07] <BenC> backported from 2.6.16-git
[04:13] <fabbione> ah cool
[04:13] <fabbione> Mark will like that :)
[04:16] <zul> whats the url for live cds again
[04:17] <fabbione> cdimage.u.c/
[04:18] <zul> thanks i knew it was something like that it just escaped me ofr  a minute
[04:21] <BenC> is it hoary -> warty -> breezy, or warty -> hoary -> breezy?
[04:22] <fabbione> the latter
[04:22] <BenC> ok, thanks
[04:22] <fabbione> warty -> hoary -> breezy
[04:22] <fabbione> whorey -> (w)horey ->
[04:23] <BenC> starting dapper test builds, and working on security for those three while it's going
[04:23] <BenC> hehe
[04:23] <fabbione> ehhe
[04:23] <fabbione> BenC: i have the old breezy binutils in my ~ on chinstrap
[04:23] <fabbione> i hope i can manage to do to test kernels tomorrow
[04:23] <fabbione> otherwise it will be when i am back
[04:24] <BenC> bcollins@grayson:~$ build-start-all
[04:24] <BenC> green: build started
[04:24] <BenC> emucade: build started
[04:24] <BenC> zachery: build started
[04:24] <BenC> frag: build started
[04:24] <BenC> hippo: build started
[04:24] <fabbione> nice
[04:24] <fabbione> isn't missing one?
[04:24] <fabbione> 6 arches...
[04:24] <BenC> I don't have amd64, and I haven't setup  ronne yet
[04:24] <fabbione> ah ok
[04:25] <BenC> those are ppc, i386, sparc64, ia64, hppa, in that order
[04:25] <fabbione> i think you should push i386 to ronne, ppc to davis and ia64 to halley
[04:25] <BenC> sparc64 always finishes first :)
[04:25] <fabbione> and keep only sparc64 and hppa
[04:26] <fabbione> speaking of zachery..it did crash on me twice building OOo2
[04:26] <BenC> I build them locally, since I also test boot them when I'm done, and doing 80-100 megs download after it's finished doesn't play well with my satellite FAP crap
[04:26] <fabbione> hmm right
[04:26] <fabbione> but on the other side we should publish these images at some point
[04:27] <BenC> all of them builds pretty quick, except i386
[04:27] <zul> BenC: ooh share the script..
[04:27] <BenC> these are going to be 2.6.15-12, so they'll get published within a day :)
[04:27] <fabbione> ehhe
[04:27] <BenC> zul: it's just a couple of shell scripts, really simple
[04:28] <BenC> starts a screened build on each machine
[04:28] <BenC> I can tar them up at some point
[04:28] <zul> yeah but i want to incorporate yours with mine..;)
[04:28] <fabbione> zul: let's do the other way
[04:28] <fabbione> give us your
[04:28] <fabbione> and we will integrate into ours :)
[04:28] <zul> sure
[04:28] <BenC> build-{prep,start,status,stop,watch,attach}{,-all}
[04:28] <BenC> that's all of them
[04:29] <BenC> I can do "build-prep green" to clean the build, and push git, and build-watch just tails, build-attach attaches to the screen session
[04:29] <BenC> watch,attach don't have a -all obviously
[04:31] <BenC> build-prep also checkes for local changes that I might have done on the build system
[04:31] <BenC> keeps me from losing fixes :)
[04:31] <fabbione> ehhe
[04:32] <zul> right now i have 2 scripts..
[04:35] <BenC> none of mine are any longer than 10 lines, but I do have a do_build script on each machine so that it will set the right concurrency and stuff (still less than 10 lines)
[04:39] <zul> first one reads a config file to pull from and the second scripts does the build, rips out the arches that i dont want
[04:39] <fabbione> later guys
[04:39] <BenC> later fabio
[04:40] <fabbione> BenC: meh i forgot to add stuff to debian/changelog
[04:40] <fabbione> do you want to do that for me?
[04:40] <fabbione> it's just the update for the redhat cluster suite
[04:40] <fabbione> to 20060112 CVS
[04:40] <fabbione> nothing fancy
[04:40] <fabbione> gotta run to school
[04:40] <BenC> ok
[04:40] <fabbione> cheers mate
[05:45] <BenC> fabbione: ping
[06:40] <Seveas> --- Topic for #ubuntu-kernel is Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY
[06:40] <Seveas> is a question about the kernels used on Ubuntu, which is not directly related to kernel development OK too?
[06:52] <Mithrandir> Seveas: don't ask to ask
[06:53] <Seveas> Mithrandir, hehe, y'never know how strict they are in here
[06:55] <Seveas> ok, here's the deal: somewhere between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12 mmap changed and now returns 'random' addresses (ie cat /proc/self/maps is always the same in 2.6.10 and always different in 2.6.12). Can someone point me to where this change is documented?
[06:55] <Seveas> It severely ruins my graduation project and the things I've been working on during the last 15 months
[07:02] <zul> you can probably do a git bisect but dont ask me how to do one
[07:04] <dilinger> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.12-rc1
[07:04] <dilinger> i assume what you're looking for is "mmap rand"
[07:05] <Seveas> dilinger, yes, thank you!
[07:05] <dilinger> np
[07:06] <Seveas> will prelink also make sure ld.so is always in the same location in memory?
[07:07] <dilinger> the comment seems to imply that prelinked binaries will not have randomized mmap base addresses
[07:08] <dilinger> however, the ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE thing is probably what you'd want if you're looking to disable it
[07:08] <Seveas> then I would have to prelink ld.so itself
[07:08] <Seveas> hmm, then I'll have to look up what personalities are
[07:08] <dilinger> are you seeing ld.so at random addresses?
[07:09] <Seveas> yes
[07:09] <Seveas> and my application kind-of depends on the fact that that does not happen
[07:09] <dilinger> i'm not sure if you can PRELINK ld.so, but i guess it couldn't hurt to try
[07:11] <Seveas> hmm, how do personalities work in debian/ubuntu? apt-file search setarch returns only something completely unrelated
[07:43] <zul> ds: which laptop?
[07:44] <ds> EMachines M5312
[08:14] <ds> zul: do you happen to know if this is a kernel bug, or just a ACPI stupidity that needs to be worked around?
[08:15] <zul> i dont get the same with my laptop you might want to open a bug..
[08:15] <zul> or just acpi stupidity
[08:15] <dilinger> Seveas: *shrug* :)
[08:18] <cjb> ds: The kernel doesn't keep an exhaustive list of ACPI weirdnesses.  I'd say it's unlikely to be a kernel bug, but go ahead and file it.
[08:20] <mjg59> ds: Windows doesn't use that information, so some machines just lie
[08:26] <cjb> Coo, it doesn't?  "Let me guess, it handles lid closing in the video driver."
[08:27] <mjg59> Oh, it picks up the lid events, but yeah - the video driver is responsible for what happens next
[08:34] <Seveas> hmm
[08:34] <Seveas> kinux-kernel-headers is at 2.6.11 on breezy
[08:34] <mjg59> linux-kernel-headers
[08:34] <Seveas> yes :)
[08:35] <Seveas> but it's still weird that it's at 2.6.11
 however, the ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE thing is probably what you'd want if you're looking to disable it <-- yes, that worked perfectly!
[08:39] <Seveas> dilinger, muchos gracias, you just saved my graduation project :)
[08:39] <zul> dilinger: arent you special ;)
[08:40] <Seveas> more importantly: you saved me having to run my experiments on a crappy old red hat cluster with linux 2.4.1, Now I can continue at the spiffy new sarge HPC cluster :)
[08:40] <Seveas> saved me from*
[08:50] <dilinger> hehe
[08:57] <dilinger> one of these days, i should get myself one of those college degree thingies
[08:57] <zul> you can probably buy one
[09:00] <Seveas> I have several offers in my mailbox if you're interested ;)
[09:00] <Seveas> they come included with fake rolex and penis enlargements
[09:34] <dilinger> BenC: my current employer was pretty surpised that i didn't have a BS
[09:34] <dilinger> but that didn't stop them from hiring me
[09:35] <BenC> the only time I was ever asked about it was a guy from Sun that I sent my resume to about 4 years ago
[09:36] <BenC> he actually called me, to tell me that I was wasting my time with "all this open source stuff", that I should switch to applications development instead of embedded/kernel work, and that he pretty much wouldn't hire me, even at a measly $24k/year (when I was making way more than that already), and that I better go get a degree from a major college (not just a degree, but an ivey league degree), else I was doomed to be a loser
[09:36] <dilinger> i'm planning on going back to school soon, but it won't be for CS
[09:36] <dilinger> i'm going to do it for the right reasons this time: girls.
[09:36] <mjg59> dilinger: An excellent plan
[09:37] <BenC> and I'm not kidding about any of that, it's exactly how he put it
[09:37] <mjg59> BenC: Aw GROUP HUG
[09:37] <dilinger> going to school thinking i'd get an education was a huge letdown
[09:37] <BenC> dilinger: that's my only regret about not going to college :)
[09:38] <dilinger> BenC: i would've hung up on him if he started telling me that
[09:38] <BenC> mjg59: see, open source is good...I have a support group :)
[09:38] <mjg59> PhDs are great in that respect
[09:38] <dilinger> "stop wasting my time.  *click*"
[09:38] <mjg59> Actualy, it might just be mine
[09:38] <BenC> you have a PhD?
[09:38] <mjg59> It's my day job
[09:38] <BenC> now PhD's are something to brag about
[09:38] <mjg59> I'll be finished in about a year with a bit of luck
[09:39] <mjg59> But it means I get to be old and mature and have a larger disposable income while surrounded by undergrads
[09:39] <BenC> most CS BS degree holders that I met outside of open source, are just a joke
[09:39] <mjg59> Oh, I'm doing genetics, not CS
[09:39] <BenC> mjg59: undergrads :)
[09:40] <BenC> genetics, that's an interesting departure from ACPI :)
[09:40] <mjg59> I find ACPI an interestig departure from genetics
[09:40] <mjg59> It makes more sense than fruitflies do
[09:40] <BenC> lol
[09:40] <BenC> what is your thesis on?
[09:40] <mjg59> No matter how much crack somebody was on when they designed a specification, it makes more sense than real life does
[09:41] <mjg59> Computational locating of RNA elements involved in gene localisation
[09:41] <dilinger> mjg59: at my prior job, i had to do a lot of interviews.  people w/ CS degrees were a dime a dozen, and in most cases weren't worth hiring.  there were also people w/out degrees, but w/ more real world experience, that seemed a lot more valuable
[09:41] <dilinger> er, s/mjg59/BenC/
[09:42] <BenC> dilinger: one good thing about open source, you don't need to ask for paper to find out if someone is clueful, just search google
[09:43] <dilinger> BenC: i need to do something about my blog coming up as the first entry when you search for my name :)
[09:43] <kozz> I have tried to run mkvmlinuz with the 2.6.15 kernel, but there seems to be some files missing
[09:43] <BenC> heh, my old DPL candidacy letter comes up when you search mine name...I'm embarrased to see it anymore :)
[09:43] <kozz> for 2.6.12 they lie in /usr/lib/linux-image-2.6.12-10-powerpc
[09:43] <kozz> some object files
[09:44] <BenC> kozz: yeah, the build process didn't include them anymore, but I didn't think we had any oldworld users (since we didn't even support oldworld install)
[09:44] <kozz> BenC: it's for Pegasos
[09:44] <BenC> is pegasos CONFIG_PPC_MAPLE?
[09:44] <kozz> no, CHRP
[09:45] <mjg59> Pegasos is CONFIG_PPC_CRACK
[09:45] <BenC> ah, good, MAPLE is going away
[09:45] <mjg59> But yeah, it's basically CHRP
[09:45] <BenC> kozz: sorry, I'm having a hard time keeping non-standard (e.g. non-powermac) support because of all the ARCH=powerpc changes in the kernel
[09:45] <kozz> mjg59: basically?
[09:46] <BenC> but anyone with such a system is more than welcome to send me patches to get the build to do the right thing
[09:46] <mjg59> kozz: Some of the interrupt setup stuff seemed a bit funny
[09:46] <kozz> BenC: I see, I have tried to create them but hasn't managed to do it
[09:46] <mjg59> It never booted with the stock kernel CHRP support
[09:47] <kozz> stock kernel CHRP? it has always worked to boot the zImage.chrp kernel out of the box before
[09:48] <mjg59> kozz: With kernel.org source?
[09:48] <kozz> yes
[09:48] <mjg59> Uhm.
[09:48] <kozz> supported since 2.6.11
[09:48] <mjg59> Right
[09:48] <mjg59> Sorry, I meant "Never used to boot"
[09:48] <mjg59> It needed some specific patches because some of the setup code is different
[09:49] <kozz> yes I know
[09:49] <kozz> but that is not the case anymore ;)
[09:49] <mjg59> Right
[09:49] <mjg59> But it always seemed "mostly CHRP" rather than "CHRP"
[09:49] <kozz> right, I don't know
[09:50] <kozz> hmm, now BenC left
[09:51] <kozz> but how did it work before to create all those files, for the 2.6.12 kernel I mean
[10:06] <fabbione> BenC: pong
[10:29] <BenC> fabbione: nm
[10:30] <fabbione> BenC: ok :)
[10:30] <BenC> I have breezy/hoary/warty ready, just waiting on the last CVE from pitti
[10:30] <fabbione> BenC: ok cool
[10:31] <BenC> green: building
[10:31] <BenC>     building: powerpc-smp(modules)
[10:31] <BenC>     unbuilt : powerpc
[10:31] <BenC>     unbuilt : powerpc64-smp
[10:31] <BenC> emucade: building
[10:31] <BenC>     building: server-bigiron(modules)
[10:31] <BenC>     unbuilt : server k7 686 386
[10:31] <BenC>     unbuilt :
[10:31] <BenC> zachery: idle
[10:31] <BenC> frag: idle
[10:31] <BenC> hippo: idle
[10:31] <fabbione> nice
[10:31] <BenC> first unbuilt should be built, but no matter
[10:31] <fabbione> oh i see
[11:26] <hile> I just filed a trivial bug for 2.6.15-x kernels, #22351
[11:26] <hile> just wanted to ask if there is any reason _not_ set number of UARTs from 4 to 8 (see bug for details)
[11:44] <makx> you don't want to spam the user with useless tty's
[11:44] <makx> post 2.6.15 it's a boot variable
[11:46] <hile> already with current builds, or later? ok, I'll close the bug then
[11:52] <hile> thanks anyway ;)


[00:55] <bazhang> he was asking some odd questions the other day as well Amaranth
[00:56] <Amaranth> he is telling me ikonia stole a bottle of sprite from walgreens
[00:56] <Jordan_U> Who is this?
[00:56] <bazhang> k-rad
[00:56] <pangolin> lol
 alien life is real.   Where is myr tti
[01:19] <bazhang> <troll detected> in -ot
[01:30] <genii-around> bazhang: Yes, that was odd
[01:32] <bazhang> genii-around, he usually hangs in #defocus and does his bit there
[01:32] <bazhang> many many nicks
[01:45] <bazhang> wow. it's like greatest hits week
[01:58] <Jordan_U> In #ubuntu: 18:57 < Tasmania> hylian I can't DCC send exploit, sorry.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> Not sure what to make of that.
[09:24] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[15:39] <bazhang> he wants to install the oracle java by terminal
[15:39] <bazhang> but does not know how to wget
[16:37] <bazhang> * [ikonia2] (c5e12514@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>): <IP_ADDRESS> - http://webchat.freenode.net
[16:37] <bazhang> ^?
[16:39] <bazhang> ikonia, thats not you is it?
[16:41] <bazhang> topyli, you around ?
[16:42] <topyli> bazhang: yes
[16:42] <bazhang> topyli, see the user ikonia2 in -ot
[16:43] <bazhang> seems an odd choice of nicknames
[16:43] <topyli> bazhang: probably not him
[16:43] <bazhang> topyli, indeed. might be confused with him though
[16:49] <bazhang> * ikonia2 is now known as GirlyGirl
[16:50] <topyli> ok that makes things more clear :)
[16:50] <bazhang> so bad intent confirmed
[18:12] <ikonia> not me
[18:12] <bazhang> it was girlygirl
[18:13] <bazhang> ah whoops
[18:13] <ikonia> ahh so the nonsense user ripping off my nickname, gee, I wonder what her motivation was
[18:14] <bazhang> she said it was totally random, forgot pass, but absolutely not impersonating!
[18:14] <ikonia> yeah, whatever
[18:15] <ikonia> random nickname that she started talking with
[18:15] <bazhang> I was going to PM then got the odd response of "dont do bad things/use profinity
[18:15] <bazhang> then I knew it wasnt you, ever your spelling is not that bad
[18:16] <ikonia> feeding time
[19:32] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I'll use you as a guinea pig, sorry
[19:32] <Unit193> Kick me, teacher!
[19:34] <Myrtti> alright, fixing some aliases then
[19:39] <bazhang> daemonfc in -ot perhaps should keep an eye on
[19:44] <bazhang> oh and sinnerman
[19:44] <bazhang> lovely
[19:59] <bazhang> Artemis3, hi
[19:59] <bazhang> marksaitis?
[20:00] <Artemis3> hello i have a suggestion to improve the ubotu message for !es let me write it properly
[20:00] <bazhang> Artemis3, ok
[20:03] <Artemis3> would be:
[20:03] <Artemis3> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[20:03] <Artemis3> its minor
[20:03] <Artemis3> but i think its worth it
[20:03] <Artemis3> for starters the "Enter" key is actually labeled "Intro" in spanish keyboards
[20:04] <pangolin> !no es is <reply> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[20:04] <pangolin> done.
[20:04] <pangolin> thank you
[20:04] <Artemis3> sure thing
[20:05] <Artemis3> glad to help
[20:05] <Unit193> !es-#xubuntu
[20:06] <Artemis3> oh that could use the same fixes, but, this channel is quite deserted i wonder
[20:06] <Artemis3> i mean that channel
[20:07] <Artemis3> i would just repeat the same text for #ubuntu-es
[20:07] <Artemis3> and add the " Si nadie responde allí puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es."
[20:07] <Artemis3> it means "if no one replys, try asking in #ubuntu-es"
[20:08] <Artemis3> replies
[20:08] <pangolin> !no es-#xubuntu is <reply> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. Si nadie responde allí puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es.
[20:08] <pangolin> also fixed.
[20:08] <Artemis3> you missed the x in the /join xubuntu-es ;)
[20:08] <Unit193> Missed the X.
[20:09] <Artemis3> lets use this string for the end: "si nadie responde, puede intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es".
[20:09] <pangolin> I did
[20:09] <pangolin> !no es-#xubuntu is <reply> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. Si nadie responde allí puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es.
[20:10] <Artemis3> lets use this string for the end: "Si nadie responde, puede intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es".
[20:10] <pangolin> I'm not changing it again.
[20:10] <pangolin> :P
[20:11] <Artemis3> well you missed the first x for xubuntu-es ^^'
[20:11] <pangolin> yeah I fixed that
[20:11] <pangolin> oh
[20:11] <pangolin> lol
[20:11] <pangolin> !no es-#xubuntu is <reply> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #xubuntu-es; escriba "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. Si nadie responde, puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es.
[20:12] <pangolin> better?
[20:12] <Artemis3> but unfortunately #xubuntu-es is very unpopular well yes i think that should do thanks, do you have to do the same for kubuntu, lubuntu etc?
[20:12] <pangolin> at some point, maybe
[20:13] <Artemis3> phew
[20:14] <pangolin> Artemis3, you can also suggest factoid edits by /msg ubottu !this is <reply> some stuff goes here that should be corrected and make sense.
[20:16] <Artemis3> interesting, can i send a help message to ubotu to remind me the command?
[20:17] <Unit193> The only other one is es-#ubuntu-offtopic
[20:17] <Unit193> Artemis3: You can /msg ubottu !es  to see it, yes.
[20:18] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[20:19] <bazhang> hi
[20:19] <FernandoMiguel> I would like to request the lift of ban on #ubuntu+1 done by ikonia
[20:19] <FernandoMiguel> we were discussing browsers and I posted a photo of a fire fox... humor is not strong in that # sometimes
[20:27] <pangolin> FernandoMiguel, I think the issue ikonia probably had is not with the pic you linked but the other pics on that site which clearly are not family friendly.
[20:28] <pangolin> as an ubuntu member you should know better than to link to such material in an ubuntu channel.
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> ack
[20:30] <pangolin> I will remove the ban, but please keep in mind that #ubuntu+1 is a support/discussion   channel for the dev cycle. Next time the ban will be for a lot longer and much harder to have removed.
[20:30] <pangolin> we understand each other?
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> pangolin: yes.
[20:31] <pangolin> ok done
[20:31] <pangolin> have a good day.
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> enjoy your Easter
[20:32] <Unit193> Artemis3: Anything else you need?
[20:32] <pangolin> FernandoMiguel, igualemente
[20:47] <bazhang> ubuntu broke python?
[20:47] <Myrtti> pidgin
[20:47] <Myrtti> seen that before
[20:47] <bazhang> lacrymology in #u
[21:07] <pangolin> Artemis3, Please don't idle in this channel.
[22:28] <Jordan_U> hiexpo is ban evading in #ubuntu unless I'm missing something.
[22:31] <pangolin> yup he was
[22:46] <pangolin> How can I help you hiexpo ?
[22:49] <hiexpo> why'd you ban me for 6 more months pangolin > I didn't change my cloak to do anything just thought the ban was lifted but ok > if you say so   > was an auto loggin  > you keep to your story I don't care anymore
[22:49] <pangolin> your cloak was unaffiliated/hiexpo now it is different.
[22:50] <pangolin> you were banned for 6 months. I made that very clear last time. now you are banned for a year.
[22:50] <hiexpo> yah it is aircrack now cause it got changed last night was not my doings
[22:50] <pangolin> Just so there is no misunderstanding. YOU now your cloak are banned for one year.
[22:50] <pangolin> s/now/not
[22:50] <hiexpo> fine
[22:51] <Myrtti> hiexpo: you know full well that no cloak is given to a user without their consent
[22:51] <pangolin> good. goodbye
[22:51] <hiexpo> loook at the loigs
[22:51] <pangolin> I don't care about logs. you know you were banned  for 6 months and yet you still joined.
[22:51] <hiexpo> i was given that last night by misterx
[22:52] <Myrtti> hiexpo: yes, and you were or should have been asked if you want the cloak, or you requested it.
[22:52] <hiexpo> i was given it
[22:52] <Myrtti> so claiming that it wasn't your doing at all is a bit sidestepping the truth
[22:52] <Myrtti> you acknowledged it and approved it
[22:53] <hiexpo> yes an i logged in but it was an auto log in
[22:54] <pangolin> ok, remove the auto join to #ubuntu. you wont be needing it for a while
[22:56] <hiexpo> look at the the logs and < > actually i got banned before any harm was done > you banned me for saying google it > and I have witnesses  and I will bring it idleone you are wrong on this they have come to me also and said so
[22:56] <pangolin> I am not wrong.
[22:56] <pangolin> !appeals


[03:10] <yieco> hai
[11:56] <fairuz> salam
[11:56] <fairuz> haloooo
[15:52] <z3ro> hello everyone
[15:52] <z3ro> can nayone help me
[15:52] <z3ro> *anyone
[15:54] <fairuz> yes?
[15:55] <z3ro> i have create echo command..
[15:56] <z3ro> how to autorun that echo command in ubuntu
[15:56] <fairuz> echo is already included in Ubuntu
[15:57] <z3ro> ok2..
[15:57] <z3ro> let me story
[15:57] <z3ro> i already install HIDS : ossec
[15:58] <z3ro> then , i want to alert via sms
[15:58] <z3ro> i use gnokii
[15:58] <z3ro> and echo command
[15:59] <z3ro> echo cat /var/logs/auht.log | gnokii --sendsms phone number
[15:59] <z3ro> so, where i need to put that echo  command
[15:59] <z3ro> to be run automatic
[15:59] <z3ro> everytime ossec produce that alert
[16:10] <fairuz> Well I don't know ossec and gnokii, but maybe you can configure ossec to launch a bash script everytime there's an alert
[16:10] <fairuz> so you can just your command in the bash script
[16:10] <fairuz> *just put
[16:11] <fairuz> Maybe you can get more answers by asking at #ubuntu
[16:11] <z3ro> where can i put that bash script
[16:11] <z3ro> in what direcory or file
[16:12] <fairuz> I don't know if ossec can be configured to launch a bash script
[16:13] <z3ro> i think, ossec can...
[16:13] <z3ro> if i create that bash file...
[16:13] <z3ro> where i need to put that file..
[16:14] <fairuz> OSSEC documentation don't mention that?
[16:14] <z3ro> no
[16:14] <fairuz> /var/ossec/active-response/bin maybe here?
[16:14] <fairuz> http://www.ossec.net/doc/manual/ar/ar-custom.html
[16:14] <fairuz> it's in the documentation...........
[16:15] <z3ro> i will try
[16:16] <z3ro> but i already try in home directory..
[16:16] <z3ro> i means .bashrc file
[16:16] <z3ro> i put that echo command..
[16:16] <z3ro> but only alert every time i use   su command
[16:19] <fairuz> ??
[16:19] <fairuz> Hm it seems you don't have linux fundamentals
[16:19] <fairuz> Did you read the manual?
[16:27] <z3ro> @fairuz..
[16:27] <z3ro> TQ..
[16:27] <z3ro> u are my saviour
[16:30] <fairuz_away> z3ro: it works?
[16:31] <z3ro> yes..
[16:31] <z3ro> tQ bro
[16:31] <fairuz_> z3ro: np
[16:32] <fairuz_> z3ro: By the way, for more questions on ossec, #ossec is the best place. This is Ubuntu support channel =)
[16:33] <z3ro> orait...TQ2
[20:14]  * ejat pokes KatieKitty
[20:14] <ejat> how r ya
[20:15] <KatieKitty> yo ejat
[20:15] <KatieKitty> :)
[20:15] <ejat> not sleep yet?
[20:15] <KatieKitty> not yet
[20:15] <KatieKitty> :)
[20:16] <KatieKitty> doing something now
[20:16] <KatieKitty> hehehe
[20:18] <ejat> such as ?
[20:18] <ejat> :p


[14:57] <malwar3hun73r> this may not be the right location, but no one in #ubuntu has responded to me yet
[14:57] <malwar3hun73r> i'm trying to compile mongodb from source on ubuntu 16.04 (b/c I need to up the BSON document size limit).  I'm using apt-get source to grab the source and dpkg-buildpackage to build after making necessary mods. I keep getting this error:
[14:57] <malwar3hun73r> src/mongo/db/dur_commitjob.cpp:147:9: error: invalid application of 'sizeof' to incomplete type 'boost::STATIC_ASSERTION_FAILURE<false>' BOOST_STATIC_ASSERT( sizeof(void*)==4 || UncommittedBytesLimit > BSONObjMaxInternalSize * 6 )


[00:26] <rmcbride> verterok: packages for karmic are indeed broked. We hope to have a fix for tomorrow's release. Finishing up packaging for Karmic proper has taken priority.
[00:26] <verterok> rmcbride: thanks! great to know
[00:26] <rmcbride> also a good package for configglue should be in karmic universe soon if it is not already. Passed REVU last week
[00:27] <verterok> nice!
[00:30] <rmcbride> I'm out for the evening. Looking up at backscroll it looks like the good configglue package is recently published, but may not be in all indexes yet? anyhow have a good one all!
[00:34] <ajmitch> rmcbride: archive admins have to accept the new binary packages
[08:48] <thisfred> top of the morning, ubuntuoneros!
[09:41] <alanbell> are .conflict files created by U1?
[09:42] <alanbell> I have a GNUCash folder in U1 and the main accounts file is now zero bytes long and there is a .conflict file which is a gzip which won't extract for some reason
[09:53] <alanbell> I managed to recover most of it from the most recent .xac file, however a breakage on gnucash isn't nice :-(
[10:03] <vds> alanbell: I'm sorry you are experiencing this problem
[10:03] <vds> alanbell: have time to investigate a bit what's happened?
[10:07] <alanbell> vds: sure
[10:07] <vds> alanbell: have you looked at the ubuntuone log files already?
[10:08] <alanbell> not yet, I was concentrating on recovery :-)
[10:09] <vds> alanbell: of course :)
[10:09] <alanbell> doing some grepping now
[10:12] <alanbell> ok, first looking at the activity of the file I am interested in with grep "Bell Lord Ltd'" *
[10:12] <alanbell> http://pastebin.com/f36e8f50d
[10:12] <alanbell> now seeing when the .conflicts turn up with grep "Bell Lord Ltd.conf" *
[10:13] <alanbell> http://pastebin.com/f6fa3a9cd
[10:14] <alanbell> I have several machines which are mine, so it is in my files, plus I have shared it with another account. I don't think I had gnucash working on the file on multiple computers at the same time, but it is possible
[10:14]  * vds looking
[10:17] <alanbell> I have been having a bit of bother with the U1 icon spinning forever, just working and idling and not achieving much
[10:17] <vds> alanbell: do you have the latest ubuntuone-client installed?
[10:18] <alanbell> I think so
[10:19] <danage> alanbell: i have had the smae issues, especially when adding many files
[10:19] <danage> it seemed to create no traffic
[10:19] <danage> what it was doing was creating all files first, then slowly uploading them to "the cloud" after a LONG time
[10:20] <vds> yes we are working to speed up the upload/download
[10:20] <alanbell> vds: yes, it is the latest version, there were some other updates waiting for me in landscape, but not U1client
[10:21] <vds> alanbell: ok, thanks
[10:22] <vds> Chipaca: ping
[10:22] <alanbell> I tend to keep things uptodate and I am doing a trial of landscape which is quite fun
[10:22] <danage> vds: i was waiting for chad to return, but i may as well just state it now
[10:23] <danage> a nice feature would be an actual indication of what the daemon is doing, i.e. a queue indicator or something
[10:23] <danage> when you hover over the symbol, ya know
[10:24] <vds> danage: you mean something to get a feedback about what the syncdaemon is doing? that would be nice!
[10:25] <danage> yeah like that. appears like it wouldn't be too difficult to implement
[10:26] <vds> danage: right
[10:48] <vds> alanbell: I'll make sure some of the sync daemon will look at the logs, in the meanwhile would it be possible to check whether more than one instance of gnucash had that file open?
[10:50] <alanbell> vds: looking at the dates it is highly likely that only one computer had that file open in GNUcash
[10:50] <danage> i also think opening the ubuntuone folder with a left-click is unintuitive. to me it would make more sense having it connect/disconnect that way. usually, i open folders with the "places" menu item gnome has
[10:52] <vds> danage: agreed I think we'll get rid of the applet as it is now
[10:52] <danage> oh really?
[10:52] <danage> what's the plan then?
[10:53] <vds> danage: not sure yet
[10:53] <vds> not to me at least
[10:53] <vds> we can ask dobey
[10:54] <vds> as soon as he gets online
[11:01] <thisfred> vds: found the relevant couchdb commit: http://github.com/halorgium/couchdb/commit/b1bfb1481e54474ce302e134a614134cc7f5fcb0
[11:02] <thisfred> vds: so it's doc._local_seq in views
[11:07] <thisfred> since the vote for 0.9.1 has just started, this seems likely to land soon
[11:07] <thisfred> vds: so we'll need to see if it's too late to get 0.9.1 in Karmic
[11:11] <thisfred> Happy birthday Alan Turing!
[11:12] <teknico> thisfred, is he back from the dead?
[11:13] <thisfred> teknico: unfortunately no, but we can still party like it's 1949
[11:15] <teknico> thisfred, did Big Brother start just last year? it seems like it's been going on for ages...
[11:30] <FLOZz> Hello
[11:33] <vds> thisfred: should not be too late if we manage to package it soon, but
[11:33] <vds> thisfred: has it been released yet?
[11:33] <thisfred> vds: no, the vote has just started
[11:33] <thisfred> FLOZz: hi
[11:34] <vds> thisfred: can we vote? :)
[11:34] <vds> FLOZz: hi
[11:34] <thisfred> vds, we can, but our votes won't count :)
[11:34] <vds> I suspected it :)
[11:34] <thisfred> vds: anyway, I have seen only +1s, so it's all good
[11:35] <vds> what I could do maybe tomorrow is to try to repackage it so at least we are ready when it is releasd
[11:35] <FLOZz> I have a little problem with ubuntu one
[11:35] <vds> or maybe we can alert kenvandine
[11:35] <vds> FLOZz: what's the problem
[11:35] <vds> ?
[11:35] <vds> :)
[11:35] <FLOZz> I have created a sub-folder with the web interface... and I can't suppress it
[11:37] <FLOZz> When I click on [Delete], nothing happen ^^'
[11:37] <thisfred> vds, that sounds like a good idea. Also we'll need to start experimenting with it soon, to see what we can and can't make work with the _changes feeds because the update triggers may be gone in that release. Not sure,
[11:37] <thisfred> doing more research
[11:37] <FLOZz> and if I delete it in nautilus, it's the same problem
[11:37] <vds> FLOZz: delete on the web interface?
[11:38] <FLOZz> yes
[11:38] <vds> and also deleting it from nautilus doesn't work
[11:38] <vds> FLOZz: have you already checked the logs?
[11:38] <FLOZz> no...where are the logs ?
[11:39] <vds> FLOZz: .ubuntuone_log/
[11:39] <FLOZz> ok thx
[11:41] <FLOZz> I haven't any .ubuntuone_log directory in my home folder ^^'
[11:43] <FLOZz> I have found this : ~/.cache/ubuntuone
[11:44] <vds> FLOZz: right
[11:44] <vds> I had those logs from a previous version
[11:53] <FLOZz> So....
[11:53] <FLOZz> When I suppress it in nautilus, it come back :
[11:53] <FLOZz> http://nopaste.com/p/abQOsXiRq
[11:53] <FLOZz> :s
[12:01]  * vds looking FLOZz log
[12:02] <vds> FLOZz: you shared that folder with someone else?
[12:02] <FLOZz> I have try to share it but he don't accept... so i have remove the share
[12:03] <FLOZz> and remove the directory after
[12:03] <FLOZz> ... but i can't remove it
[12:03] <vds> FLOZz: ah interesting
[12:03] <vds> FLOZz: let me do some tests and I'll be back at you
[12:03] <vds> thanks so far
[12:04] <FLOZz> ^^
[12:50] <facundobatista> Hi all
[12:51] <FLOZz> hi facundobatista
[12:57] <vds> hi facundobatista
[12:58] <vds> facundobatista: it looks like once you have shared a folder you cannot delete it anymore even if you remove all the shares
[12:59] <facundobatista> vds, you're talking desktop or web? what actions you're performing?
[12:59] <vds> facundobatista: both
[13:00] <vds> facundobatista: go to a shared folder, try to delete, nothing happens, remove all the shares, try to delete again, nothing happens
[13:00] <vds> facundobatista: both on web ui and nautilus
[13:01] <vds> facundobatista: FLOZz has this problem, I've tried myself and I can replicate it
[13:01] <facundobatista> ok, let me try it
[13:01] <vds> thanks a lot facundobatista!
[13:05] <facundobatista> vds, I'm having problems right now with *sharing* a folder... the web ui never comes back
[13:05] <vds> facundobatista: I had this problem too, after a while it works again, maybe we should take a look at the load?
[13:14] <facundobatista> vds, it never came back, :(
[13:15] <vds> facundobatista: uhm
[13:15] <vds> interesting
[13:15] <vds> facundobatista: have you tried with nautilus?
[13:21] <facundobatista> vds, who does the share-through-nautilus work? I right click on a "for_vds" share, put your mail address, click on "share", but in the syncdaemon logs I don't see anything
[13:21] <facundobatista> dobey, ^?
[13:22] <vds> facundobatista: dobey might help here
[13:22] <vds> facundobatista: I just received you share proposal
[13:22] <vds> facundobatista: should I accept it?
[13:24] <facundobatista> vds, for *which* share?
[13:24] <vds> facundobatista: the email doesn't say which share, it says just that you are sharing something
[13:25] <vds> ah
[13:25] <vds> sorry
[13:25] <vds> facundobatista: test
[13:25] <facundobatista> vds, I did that, wasn't sure that about the logs, also tried with "for_vds"
[13:25] <facundobatista> please wait for that
[13:26] <vds> facundobatista: sure
[13:26] <facundobatista> vds, "for_vds" is easier to search in all the logs, "test" is not good as a searchable keyword, :p
[13:29] <vds> :)
[13:49] <facundobatista> vds, did you receive this last share?
[13:49] <vds> facundobatista: not yey
[13:49] <vds> I'm checking the mail very often
[13:49] <vds> nothing so far
[13:50] <thisfred> vds: also check websense, maybe, since it caught your share to me at some point
[13:51] <vds> facundobatista: at the moment, using the desktop client, we can share only one folder at time, but in the future we plan to be able to share more than just one folder right?
[13:51] <vds> thisfred: right! thanks!
[13:51] <facundobatista> vds, afaik, we can have several shares...
[13:52] <vds> facundobatista: sorry I didn't state it correctly
[13:53] <vds> facundobatista: we can share only things inside the Ubuntu One folder right now
[13:53] <facundobatista> vds, yes
[13:54] <vds> facundobatista: we'd like to be able to sync more folder than just Ubuntu One in the future, right?
[13:56] <danage> a reiteration of some comments i made earlier: 1. a nice feature would be an actual indication of what the daemon is doing, i.e. a queue indicator or something
[13:56] <danage> also, opening the ubuntuone folder with a left-click is unintuitive. to me it would make more sense having it connect/disconnect that way. usually, i open folders with the "places" menu item gnome has
[13:57] <vds> danage: right
[13:58] <vds> danage: would you please file a bug for each one of the two features?
[13:59] <danage> sure
[13:59] <vds> danage: thanks
[14:03] <danage> should i make it wishlist?
[14:10] <danage> hm i'm reading similar bug reports
[14:11] <danage> i think adding it to network manager could make sense
[14:11] <danage> although it's not really a network connection, it's more like a network share
[14:15] <statik> hello world
[14:15] <vds> hi statik
[14:16] <statik> hey jblount, you know about blueman for bluetooth tethering?
[14:16] <dobey> facundobatista: *currently* there is no way to share folders via nautilus (that code was disabled for the moment, during the port to C)
[14:17] <statik> danage: FUSA is undergoing a complete redesign at the moment and the sketches I saw at UDS had it including ways to be connected/disconnected to various online services, continuing with the idea that is in FUSA currently where you can set your instant messenger connection state from FUSA
[14:17] <dobey> facundobatista: once i get the code that handled doing the sharing via the http api, into syncdaemon, it will log some stuff, and be re-enabled in nautilus
[14:17] <statik> so the current plan is to put connect/disconnect into fusa rather than network manager
[14:17] <danage> cool, i just read through the whole bug report and found some of that too. sorry for the redundancy
[14:18] <statik> no worries
[14:18] <danage> makes waaaay sense all that
[14:18] <danage> it's working nicely for me now too. so if the issues in the bug reports are being taken seriously, i think this will be a really really nice service when it's finished
[14:20] <statik> thanks! we are definitely taking the bug reports seriously. we're working on things that aren't very user-visible at the moment, like packaging, porting, and some security fixes
[14:23] <danage> i could see myself paying for this
[14:24] <facundobatista> vds, so, we fall back to the situation where it didn't work through the web?
[14:25] <vds> facundobatista: it does work for me
[14:25] <facundobatista> vds, but you can not remove it?
[14:25] <vds> facundobatista: exactly, I can share, I can remove the shares, but I cannot delete the folder once I've shared it
[14:26] <facundobatista> vds, ok.. I tried to share a folder called "foo" to you, and it didn't work
[14:27] <facundobatista> vds, you received an invitation for the "test" directory, which is strange because dobey says he disabled the code
[14:27] <facundobatista> (I shared "test" from the desktop, using Nautilus)
[14:28] <dobey> facundobatista: you're using old code
[14:28] <facundobatista> dobey, I'm not using trunk, and have the system fully updated
[14:29] <statik> difference between beta and nightlies maybe?
[14:29] <facundobatista> mmm... I update it yesterday, I'm seeing new packages now
[14:29] <dobey> could be
[14:29] <dobey> the new stuff isn't in beta yet
[14:29] <dobey> and even so, updating the packages doesn't restart nautilus
[14:29] <dobey> so the old code could still be running in memory
[14:29] <dobey> (hence the need for changeup)
[14:30] <facundobatista> dobey, I had to reboot yesterday, kernel changes
[14:31] <dobey> yeah, i had to rebuild psb-kernel-source because of that :-/
[14:33] <verterok> vds: the is a bug in the model API, a branch that fix that is waiting review
[14:42] <vds> verterok: what's the bug exactly?
[14:42] <verterok> vds: I don't know if there is a bug
[14:48] <vds> FLOZz: https://launchpad.net/bugs/383619
[14:49] <vds> FLOZz: someone is already taking care of this bug
[14:49] <FLOZz> vds, ok
[14:50] <FLOZz> Thanks you vds ^^
[14:51] <vds> FLOZz: np
[15:00] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:00] <jblount> OH HAI HACKERZ!
[15:00] <jblount> Welcome to the Ubuntu One Developers meeting. Please say "me" if you are here to attend!
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:00] <rodrigo_> me
[15:01] <dobey> me
[15:01] <urbanape> me
[15:01] <statik> me
[15:01] <CardinalFang> me
[15:01] <statik> aquarius, vds, teknico?
[15:01] <aquarius> me
[15:01] <vds> me
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:02] <jblount> DONE: Got those two branches up (need a few reviews on the last one)
[15:02] <jblount> TODO: Fix bugs in new /files/ inteface css stuff
[15:02] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nossir!
[15:02] <jblount> rodrigo_: Your turn!
[15:02] <rodrigo_> done: more evo-couchdb work, almost complete, just a few backend methods missing implementation
[15:02] <rodrigo_> todo: finish packaging of all the new couchdb-desktop packages
[15:02] <rodrigo_> blocked: none
[15:03] <rodrigo_> dobey: your turn
[15:03] <dobey> DONE: fix packages for REVU feedback, resolved versioning confusion
[15:03] <dobey> TODO: fix karmic missing icons issue, finish setting up source pkg branches, finish moving share creation code, research and implement ChangeUp API
[15:03] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:03] <dobey> urbanape: your roll
[15:03] <urbanape> DONE: (well, did) some hacking on Firefox extension.
[15:03] <urbanape> TODO: I'm on-call reviewer, I believe (I took over last week when someone was sprinting?). Also tests, and I need to make *some* progress on new files UI today.
[15:03] <urbanape> BLOCK: None, just me, really.
[15:03] <urbanape> statik, you're up.
[15:03] <statik> DONE: Landed 4 branches, reviewed 2 branches. Fixed python-testtools after archive admin spotted a problem and resubmitted. Worked on REVU feedback for python-simplesettings, python-mozrunner, and python-spawning. Schemed with jamesh and mwhudson regarding upgrading to bzr 2a branch formats. Wrote a super tiny couchdb patch for aquarius.
[15:03] <statik> TODO: keep working on packaging windmill and spawning, scheme with cardinalfang regarding new WSGI servers, work on OOPs with pfibiger, figure out whether south could be made to work with storm.
[15:03] <statik> BLOCKED: Nope.
[15:04] <statik> CardinalFang, your go
[15:04] <CardinalFang> DONE: face.  some smarter timeouts in mail tests.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> TODO: finish mail work.  commit today.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: nyet!
[15:04] <CardinalFang> aquarius: poke.
[15:04] <aquarius> DONE: working on starting up a local CouchDB, talking to Till Adam @ kdab about their progress on Akonadi CouchDB back end (they will have screenshots today, hopefully!); argue about naming of Desktop Couch project
[15:04] <aquarius> TODO: continue working on it; work out the best way to find the port of a running Couch (trying a statik patch right now); refactor D-Bus port exporter so it starts Couch rather than just inspecting it
[15:04] <aquarius> BLOCKED: none
[15:04] <aquarius> vds: hit me, big boy
[15:04] <vds> DONE:some research about couchdb _local docs and docs seqno for the new timestamps implementation, discussed about that with thisfred, still some research and some discussion is needed, face duty
[15:04] <vds> TODO: face duty and maybe some skype with eric
[15:04] <vds> your turn teknico
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: better defined the requirements and implementation of the contacts db reset thing with markgsaye, thisfred and vds
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: completing the implementation of the contacts reset db thing
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCKED: nothing
[15:04] <teknico> NEXT: noone
[15:05] <urbanape> end of line
[15:05] <statik> and nobody is blocked, amazing!
[15:05] <aquarius> also, I have to go to the dentist in an hour. Not looking forward to that.
[15:05] <jblount> END OF MEETING
[15:05] <rodrigo_> aquarius: ugh, dentist :(
[15:05] <statik> jblount: thanks for running it!
[15:06] <aquarius> rodrigo_: I am seriously debating pulling all of my teeth out with pliers and just eating soup for the next forty years, just so I don't have to go
[15:06] <teknico> statik, what's the rotation of running the standup, if any?
[15:06] <jblount> statik: Sure thing! It provides lots of opportunities for exclamation points :)
[15:06] <jblount> teknico: If it's 10, and you notice, you should start it (this is my personal rule, have yet to be told otherwise)
[15:06] <jblount> s/10/10EST
[15:07] <statik> teknico: someone runs it at 1400utc
[15:07] <teknico> statik, oh, I get it, first come first serving ;-)
[15:07] <teknico> aquarius, you wouldn't have any problems with beer either ;-)
[15:08] <rodrigo_> aquarius: false denture!!
[15:08] <rodrigo_> aquarius: so you can eat other stuff than soups :)
[15:08] <thisfred> is it safe?
[15:09] <aquarius> :)
[15:09] <dobey> thisfred, aquarius: how about *gasp* couchdb-desktop ?
[15:09] <thisfred> dobey: that was aquarius' suggestion I believe
[15:09] <aquarius> dobey: this is why I think it should be Desktop CouchDB
[15:10] <rodrigo_> couchdb-freedesktop
[15:10] <dobey> couchdb-zedd
[15:11] <thisfred> but I don't know how the trademark situation is, if any (asked on #couchdb already, no conclusive answer) and whether we'd be presuming too much in the eyes of the couchdb community
[15:11] <statik> dobey, urbanape, rmcbride: you guys are each running trunk branches on ubuntuone sub-projects. jamesh is going to coordinate upgrading the main ubunet branch to bzr 2a format next week while i'm gone, can you guys take care of upgrading your projects?
[15:11] <aquarius> rodrigo_: it isn't a freedesktop thing, though, not yet
[15:12] <rmcbride> statik: sure
[15:12] <urbanape> statik: yup
[15:12] <statik> dobey, urbanape, rmcbride: i just realized you probably need to coordinate with jamesh in order to get the stacked branches taken care of
[15:13] <urbanape> is there going to be a freeze or anything on the current trunk before he upgrades it? If not, why not just pull new branches after he's done?
[15:13] <urbanape> or am I missing something?
[15:13] <urbanape> (quite likely)
[15:14] <dobey> are we going to back up trunk somewhere?
[15:15] <dobey> ie, what happens if the upgrade eats our babies?
[15:16] <rmcbride> dobey: then we tell Jonathan Swift to give them back?
[15:16] <dobey> heh
[15:17] <dobey> ask it if it wants some A1 with it?
[15:18] <statik> yeah, i believe the general approach is to tell everyone to stop pushing branches, make a copy of trunk in the old format, do sysadmin magic to retarget all the stacked branches to the copies of trunk, upgrade the real trunk, unfreeze, and have everyone reconcile and convert their existing unlanded branches into a 2a format repository
[15:19] <statik> obviously you can do test upgrades to the 2a format on the side to ensure that the upgrade will go smoothly before any of this happens
[15:21] <dobey> i'm not exactly sure how to upgrade the branch on the server itself
[15:23] <statik> bzr upgrade --2a lp:~foo/bar/baz usually works
[15:23] <statik> if an upgrade had been done in the past then you use lp:hitchhiker to go in and delete the old bzr.backup directory first
[15:23] <statik> but stacked branches are what make this complicated
[15:24] <urbanape> which is what I was sorta asking.
[15:24] <statik> cause you don't want to upgrade trunk out from underneath branches that are stacked on it
[15:24] <urbanape> how many branches are stacked on it now? (how many in play, really)
[15:24] <statik> i think launchpad automatically stacks all branches on trunk
[15:25] <urbanape> then, can we not jut let the current in-play branches quiesce before upgrading, and then have everyone branch off the upgraded trunk?
[15:25] <statik> urbanape: yes but we should still fix up all the old stacked branches - we don't normally delete them
[15:25] <dobey> statik: i think it's stacked on whatever you branched from... which is normally trunk
[15:25] <urbanape> statik: ah, okay
[15:26] <statik> it's stacked on the default branch for the default series i think, bzr doesn't really keep track of where you branched from
[15:26] <statik> urbanape: for yours it should be super easy, since you have control of every single branch
[15:28] <dobey> ah crap
[15:28] <dobey> bzr 1.16 broke bzr-gtk
[15:31] <FLOZz> bye
[15:36] <rodrigo_1> statik: 1:1 call now?
[15:37] <statik> rodrigo_1, yep, I'll call you on skype
[15:37] <rodrigo_1> ok
[15:57] <jblount> Has everyone seen the Tomboy integration in Gwibber trunk? DONE: Got those two branches up (need a few reviews on the last one)
[15:57] <jblount> TODO: Fix bugs in new /files/ inteface css stuff
[15:57] <jblount> grr
[15:58] <dobey> haha
[15:58] <jblount> Just call me "Paste-Mc-FAIL pants"
[15:58] <jblount> http://etc.joshuablount.com/save-to-tomboy.ogv is the proper thing that I wanted to paste
[15:58] <dobey> you are pretty pasty, for living in florida and all
[15:58] <thisfred> paste "baby-octopus devourer" mc-fail pants, surely
[15:59] <jblount> thisfred: I just threw up a little in my mouth.
[15:59] <thisfred> hehe
[16:07] <dobey> jblount: did it taste like baby octopus?
[16:45] <msch> Hi, I've got an email "You have been invited to Ubuntu One" but it didn't contain an invitation code and ubuntuone.com says I'm still on the waiting list.
[16:47] <jblount> jdobrien: ^^
[16:47] <jblount> (Also: Hi msch! I think jdobrien was just looking at something like this)
[16:48] <msch> well, good to know. i just wanted to give you a heads up.
[17:21] <jdobrien> hmm...he left what the heck
[17:33] <alanbell> just thinking out loud, is there any overlap between U1 and the OLPC sugar.org sharing of files and objects?
[17:34] <alanbell> which is mostly jabber/XMPP based
[17:34] <alanbell> it would be rather cool to have an Ubuntu XMPP infrastructure in the cloud
[17:43] <sladen> judging by the number of new bug reports for the "without an invitation code"... something is broken
[17:44] <sladen> jdobrien: it might be worth stopping the spam-o-matic, until it can be fixed
[17:45] <jdobrien> sladen: are people getting multiple emails?
[17:45] <jdobrien> sladen: it was something that happened in last nights set of invitation approvals...there was an exception which sent out the emails, but didn't save the approval
[17:46] <jdobrien> sladen: the good thing is...it's not automatic
[17:46] <sladen> jdobrien: I don't multiple emails, but multiple people are noting on the bug tracker that they receieved one
[17:47] <jdobrien> sladen: yes...we know of the problem
[17:47] <sladen> jdobrien: four of the last five emails in my launchpad-bugmail folder of four separate people all confirming the same issue
[17:48] <jdobrien> sladen: I understand that...it was all one batch...and I just fixed the record that caused the problem...it was a problem we were aware of
[17:49] <jdobrien> the fix is still in the pipeline
[17:52] <urbanape> jblount: ping
[18:14] <jblount> urbanape: yo!
[18:14] <jblount> urbanape: Sorry, just back from lunch.
[18:15] <urbanape> heya. I've installed fix-da-buttons locally and am not seeing the buttons at all.
[18:15] <jblount> urbanape: this is a problem, I think I probably missed a bzr add somewhere.
[18:17] <jblount> urbanape: Yeah, pushing now. Sorry about that! If you pull inside the branch it should grab those changes.
[18:17] <urbanape> coolio
[18:18] <urbanape> yay, now that's a branch I can approve
[18:19] <jblount> urbanape: heh
[18:20] <urbanape> huh. Wonder why it doesn't go to "approved" after two approvals. Still in needs review.
[18:20] <jblount> urbanape: There isn't a way in LP (yet) to say "my project requires to approvals, then it's approved to merge"
[18:20] <urbanape> gotcha
[18:21] <mrtoftrash> Hi everyone. I require a little help. I got invited to ubuntuone, and installed the client, but the "control applet" does not want to start. Any clues?
[18:23] <jblount> mrtoftrash: After installing the app, can you start it from Applications > Internet > Ubuntu One?
[18:24] <mrtoftrash> jblount: Nope. No error messages either when I type "ubuntuone-client-applet" in a terminal.
[18:24] <mrtoftrash> Oh wait...
[18:24] <mrtoftrash> jblount: For some reason, it worked this time. IRC always does the trick :)
[18:25] <jblount> mrtoftrash: :D
[18:25] <jblount> mrtoftrash: We've seen other people mention it not launching, you are not alone. It's still undiagnosed AFAIK
[18:26] <mrtoftrash> jblount: Very strange.
[18:26] <jblount> mrtoftrash: Agreed. Particularly because I can't repeat it inside of a clean virtual machine.
[18:27] <mrtoftrash> jblount: yeap, works fine now. Thanks. Ciao
[18:30]  * jblount notices his use of "to" instead of "two" and hides his face in shame.
[18:35] <urbanape> its oh kay. Eye reed eye arr sea out lowd too maiself, and it sownded phine.
[18:56] <statik> urbanape: the review policy stuff in LP to automatically mark a proposal approved after two positive reviews should be showing up in the next launchpad releas
[18:56] <urbanape> gotcha
[18:56] <urbanape> hey, statik
[18:56] <dobey> statik: i suspect that means "next month"?
[18:56] <statik> yeah
[18:57] <dobey> cool
[18:57] <urbanape> I'm putting in some tests for the media revno url injection in the test_index module.
[18:57] <statik> sladen, btw, regarding the email thing, CardinalFang is putting the final touch on a transactional email sending branch so that if an exception happens when processing a batch of invitations then no emails are sent, which should prevent this kind of thing from happening in the  future
[18:58] <statik> urbanape: great! that wouldn't have caught the edge config problem, but it's a great test to have
[18:58] <urbanape> I'm not sure how the browser URLs are meant to match up to reality, though
[18:58] <statik> urbanape: foo/media/1234/hugs.css i think
[18:59] <statik> alanbell, yeah we're going to be doing a lot with XMPP I think
[18:59] <statik> alanbell, i was talking to robot101 about the OLPC stuff last week - i don't think we'll be doing things the way they did, but definitely some shared ideas
[19:01]  * dobey wonders wtf is up with his car
[19:07] <urbanape> hmm. Using the browser makes it harder to test the straight HTTP status codes returned by a valid and invalid media URL... So far, the best I've been able to come up with is sniffing the browser.headers or browser.contents.
[19:27] <statik> urbanape: it doesn't raise an exception when it 404s?
[19:27] <statik> it being zope.testbrowser
[19:27] <urbanape> it does, but there's no convenient way to trap a 200 in the successful case.
[19:28] <urbanape> easier to test the failing case
[19:28] <dobey> if (!fail): success
[19:29] <dobey> raise Exception("Success") ? :)
[19:31] <urbanape> def test_dobey_is_actually_rube_goldberg(self):...
[19:33] <danage> those up and down arrows in nautilus are known to be broken?
[19:37] <dobey> broken?
[19:38] <BUGabundo> Bom S. João para tds, e cuidado com as espinhas :))
[19:39] <dobey> no habla
[19:40] <dobey> danage: elaborate please
[19:40] <danage> it shows green download arrows even though the wheel isn't spinning and all files have been downloaded
[19:41] <dobey> danage: on folders, or on files?
[19:41] <danage> only folders, files seem to be ok
[19:42] <dobey> ok, yeah it's a known issue that they stick around on folders... i have no idea why they do though :-/
[19:45] <jblount> dobey: Do you know if "labels sticking on folderz" has a bug?
[19:45] <dobey> it does
[19:46] <dobey> but i don't recall the number
[19:46] <dobey> jblount: i think you filed it though
[19:46] <jblount> dobey: RESEARCH! brb
[19:46] <jblount> (meaning, I'll go look for it)
[19:47] <dobey> #374890
[19:47] <jblount> bug 37489-
[19:47] <jblount> bug 374890
[19:48] <jblount> Today is one big typo
[19:48] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:35] <dobey> verterok: ping, are you back? :)
[20:35] <verterok> dobey: yeap
[20:36] <verterok> oh, pong :)
[20:36] <dobey> verterok: i needs-fixing/commented on your client branch
[20:36] <dobey> verterok: and i'm poking in syncdaemon, and had a couple questions for you
[20:37] <dobey> verterok: as i suspect, i shouldn't be calling a syncdaemon dbus method from within syncdaemon, to get the metadata for a path, huh?
[20:37] <dobey> verterok: or i suppose it's ok, if i call it from a Thread()?
[20:38] <verterok> dobey: here I get all the files I added to .bzrignore as unknown
[20:38] <dobey> verterok: really? that's odd
[20:38] <verterok> yes
[20:38] <dobey> verterok: what version of bzr are you using?
[20:39] <verterok> dobey: https://pastebin.canonical.com/18899/
[20:39] <verterok> dobey: 1.16rc1
[20:40] <dobey> weird
[20:40] <verterok> dobey: and this is the output of bzr ignored: https://pastebin.canonical.com/18900/
[20:40] <tcole> dobey: I'd use the twisted thread pool rather than spinning up your own Thread()s
[20:40] <dobey> verterok: i wonder if there is a bug in that
[20:41] <verterok> dobey: in my desktop with bzr 1.16 (final) I get the same result
[20:41] <dobey> tcole: i think this might actually have to be separate, as it's using urllib2
[20:41] <dobey> verterok: hrmm.. that's very odd indeed
[20:41] <verterok> dobey: maybe you have some global ignores defined
[20:42] <tcole> dobey: hm, howso?
[20:42] <verterok> dobey: as tcole said, it's better to use twisted thread pool, possibly using deferToThread
[20:43] <dobey> verterok: ah, i do have a ~/bazaar/ignore
[20:43] <verterok> :)
[20:43] <dobey> verterok: but i certainly didn't create it
[20:43] <dobey> i wonder where it came from
[20:43] <tcole> also I do have to ask why you're calling a method on the dbus interface from within syncdaemon itself
[20:43] <verterok> that's weird
[20:43] <tcole> it would seem that there should be a less roundabout way to get at what you need
[20:44] <dobey> tcole: well, i'm not. i'm moving code that was in the nautilus extension, to syncdaemon, and wondering if there is a better way
[20:45] <tcole> ah
[20:45] <dobey> verterok: ok. but we should use globs instead of listing individual files, i think :)
[20:45] <tcole> broadly, yes
[20:45] <dobey> verterok: and we don't need to list full paths in the .bzrignore either
[20:52] <dobey> verterok: hrmm. how should i deferToThread() or callFromThread() inside the VolumeManager.create_share()?
[20:59]  * verterok_ stabs his ISP
[20:59] <verterok_> dobey: sorry, bad day for my ISP
[20:59]  * dobey lends his stabbin' knife to verterok_
[20:59] <dobey> verterok: hrmm. how should i deferToThread() or callFromThread() inside the VolumeManager.create_share()?
[20:59] <verterok_> dobey: https://pastebin.canonical.com/18901/
[21:00] <verterok_> :)
[21:01] <tcole> well, and you will probably need to do something with the returned deferred
[21:01] <tcole> incidentally, we should use public pastebins out here :)
[21:01] <statik> pfibiger: you have one review on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~pfibiger/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/add-ssl-context/+merge/7817 , feel free to ignore my suggestion in the interest of getting this code landed though
[21:01] <verterok_> tcole: right...
[21:02] <statik> verterok: pastebin.ubuntu.com is public
[21:02] <verterok_> thanks!
[21:02] <verterok_> tcole: thanks for pointing out :)
[21:02] <dobey> tcole: hrmm. but if i jsut ignore it, it should be fine too, yes?
[21:03] <verterok_> dobey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202394/
[21:03] <verterok_> dobey: we should handle at least the error case, to give some feedback to the user maybe?
[21:04] <verterok_> bye bye verterok!
[21:05] <tcole> dobey: it depends
[21:05] <tcole> dobey: if you don't care whether or when it succeeds or fails at all, ever, then you can just ignore it
[21:05] <tcole> the *or when* is important too
[21:05] <tcole> if there are things you would like to happen after but not before it
[21:06] <dobey> no, it's just that i need to shove the code in a thread
[21:06] <dobey> it handles errors within the call
[21:07] <tcole> so it's just a background task then?
[21:07] <tcole> is it okay to have more than one of these calls going at once?
[21:08] <dobey> i suppose if you can make use of the nautilus ui that fast, yes
[21:08] <dobey> it just posts an oauth-signed request to a URI
[21:23] <dobey> i wonder if there's a sane way to test this code
[21:24] <verterok> dobey: it's about the share http request?...a mock http server?
[21:26] <Nafallo> verterok: fwiw. python-configglue is new'd
[21:26] <verterok> Nafallo: it's working now? great!!
[21:27] <Nafallo> verterok: need to wait for the mirrors to get synced :-)
[21:27] <verterok> :)
[21:27] <dobey> verterok: yeah, i don't want to write a mock http server for that :)
[21:28] <verterok> dobey: maybe you don't have to write it
[21:34] <SiDi> Hello
[21:34] <verterok> dobey: what do you need to test
[21:34] <verterok> SiDi: hi!
[21:34] <SiDi> Im using xubuntu and the ubuntuone panel doesnt appear when i launch it :|
[21:35] <verterok> dobey: do you know if the applet works on xubuntu? ^
[21:35] <dobey> it does so long as the deps are installed, and none of the bugs are being hit (particularly the karmic one)
[21:36] <dobey> verterok: need to test creating a share via the http api
[21:36] <SiDi> dobey: it doesnt look like it'll work here
[21:37] <dobey> SiDi: what doesn't work exactly?
[21:37] <SiDi> dobey: the applet doesnt popup
[21:38] <SiDi> no error message when launching from console
[21:38] <dobey> SiDi: what happens? it waits 30 seconds and exits?
[21:39] <SiDi> telling you in 30 secs
[21:40] <SiDi> i usually kill after 5 :p
[21:43] <SiDi> it doesnt quit
[21:46] <dobey> it keeps running after 30 seconds?
[21:47] <dobey> and there's no new icon at all in your panel?
[21:47] <dobey> verterok: where is deferToThread() defined?
[21:48] <dobey> twisted.internet?
[21:48] <verterok> dobey: no, it's in reactor, but the glib2reactor don't have one...so you should use the one we used in the old storagefs
[21:54] <verterok> dobey: from twisted.internet import threads
[21:54] <verterok> dobey: threads.deferToThread
[21:54] <dobey> ok
[22:08] <SiDi> dobey: no new icon, keeps running
[22:08] <SiDi> jaunty amd64
[22:10] <dobey> SiDi: are you on karmic?
[22:10] <SiDi> dobey: nopee
[22:11] <dobey> verterok: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202434/ <- does that look bad to you?
[22:12]  * verterok looks
[22:12] <statik> CardinalFang: to set review status by email you need to gpg sign your message, and indent the review voting command by one space. something like:
[22:12] <statik>  review: approve
[22:12] <dobey> no colon though, i think
[22:13] <verterok> dobey: if you already have the mdobj in the metadata it should have a path, there is no need to set it again
[22:13] <dobey> although easier to remember is just " +1"
[22:13] <dobey> verterok: i'm not setting it again. pylint was complaining "unused variable: mdobj" and clearly enough, it's unused
[22:14] <verterok> dobey: just remove the assignment
[22:14] <dobey> verterok: but with the change i pastebinned there, i am getting test failures with odd KeyErrors
[22:14] <dobey> verterok: that's what that patch does!
[22:14] <dobey> verterok: or you mean remove the set_by_path() also?
[22:14] <verterok> dobey: no, the patch removes the except!
[22:14] <verterok> dobey: I misread the patch, sorry
[22:14] <dobey> verterok: the patch removes the try and the except :)
[22:14] <verterok> dobey: you can't remove the except clause
[22:15] <verterok> dobey: btw, the ubuntuone-client pylintrc should be updated
[22:15] <dobey> verterok: why? the mdobj isn't actually used
[22:15] <dobey> updated for what?
[22:15] <verterok> dobey: to be like the other ones we use
[22:15] <verterok> dobey: in the except the mdobj is created!
[22:16] <verterok> but only if isn't there
[22:16] <dobey> it is the exact same one as in ubuntuone-storage-protocol
[22:16] <dobey> verterok: oh, so i should just remove the lvalue
[22:16] <dobey> ?
[22:16] <verterok> dobey: yes
[22:17] <dobey> ok
[22:17] <dobey> thanks
[22:18] <verterok> np
[22:18] <verterok> dobey: pylint is showing warnings for a lot of things we ignore in other pylintrc
[22:18] <verterok> 's
[22:18] <dobey> eh?
[22:37] <statik> alright, uploads to REVU done for python-mozrunner, python-eventlet, and python-spawning. talk to you all tomorrow!
[22:38] <tcole> aren't you on vacation tomorrow?
[22:38] <tcole> (but good work!)
[22:41] <dobey> SiDi: hrmm. all i can suggest for the moment is to file a bug and attach the logs with "apport-collect -p ubuntuone-client $bugnumber"
[22:41] <dobey> tcole: thursday
[22:41] <tcole> oh
[22:42]  * tcole has difficulty with this "calendar" concept
[22:44] <Nafallo> verterok: ubuntuone works again in karmic. still hates pretty little pictures of animated clouds, but syncs and such more important stuff :-)
[22:46] <verterok> Nafallo: great news!
[22:47] <SiDi> dobey: willdo
[23:44] <dobey> later
[23:46] <SiDi> dobey: will do the apport part tomorrow though. Can't now, got an update running and a damn low bandwidth, so it'll take time


[09:04] <artnay> are some titles hardcoded into ubuntu-docs? for example the title "Dash" at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/unity-introduction.html doesn't exist on ubuntu-docs template
[09:04] <artnay> this is problematic since we've translated dash as "Unity menu", now we have both dash and "unity menu" in docs
[15:36] <dpm> hi jbicha, around?
[15:49] <jbicha> dpm: sort of, hi
[15:50] <dpm> hi :)
[15:51] <dpm> I just wanted to ask for your help in two things whenever you've got a minute:
[15:51] <dpm> - Do you think you could have a look at this MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-docs/html-multiple-locale-output/+merge/99495
[15:53] <dpm> - On https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/precise/+translations-settings may I ask you to set up a separate branch to use for the automatic commits of translations?
[15:54] <dpm> mdke, commented he was not in favour of using trunk for the automatic commits and disabled it, but having at least a separate branch would be very useful for translators to have a place where translations are up to date
[15:55] <dpm> and I guess it's also much easier for you guys to do a merge from there whenever you want to include the latest translations, rather than exporting them from LP
[15:56] <dpm> I've created a server which contains localized versions in all available locales at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (it serves the right locale as set by the browser), and if I could just pull the latest translations from such a branch daily, I could show daily up to date localized docs for translators to test
[15:57] <dpm> it's just a matter of creating a new docs bzr branch and linking to it
[16:07] <jbicha> dpm: sorry for the silence, I was out for a few minutes, I'm actually staff at POSSCON.org this week
[16:07] <jbicha> marcoceppi & jcastro are here with a Juju school this afternoon
[16:09] <jbicha> I'll look at the MP this weekend, maybe hit me up Monday to make sure it's done
[16:09] <jbicha> because I'll be swamped with POSSCON & the docs freeze tomorrow afternoon :)
[16:15] <dpm> thanks jbicha, do you think you might have time for the branch before that? It'd be useful to have it at least by string freeze. Btw, I've just had a quick hangout with jcastro, say hi from me if you see him around, and have fun at POSSCON!
[16:41] <jbicha> dpm: I guess I could merge it now, I haven't really tested to see what the problem is or if that's the right fix
[16:43] <dpm> jbicha, ah that one is not urgent, feel free to look at it with more time if you like. On my question I meant if you'd have time for setting up the branch for the translation exports (i.e. the second point)
[16:52] <jbicha> dpm: ok, created an empty branch and told automatic translation exports to go there https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/precise-translations
[16:53] <dpm> ah, awesome, thanks jbicha!
[17:00] <dpm> jbicha, I've also provided some more context to the merge proposal to give an overview of the reason for the proposal
[17:08] <jbicha> dpm: oh, I was thinking of guiseppe's merge proposal, I remember yours though now & will merge it
[17:10] <dpm> jbicha, ah, excellent, thanks. Yeah, I noticed giuseppe's MP too, as I've experienced the issue too. It seems it fixes a problem with the wrong .js file being referenced in the generated HTML pages
[17:13] <jbicha> yeah, that's the one I wasn't sure what it would do
[17:22] <dpm> jbicha, yeah, other than seeing that it fixes the file inclusion, I couldn't work out what it actually fixes. So it might be worth asking him to provide some more context
[17:51] <artnay> there are lots of "Wireless network troubleshooter" section strings missing from translation template, bug 967350
[17:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967350 in ubuntu-docs "Precise's ubuntu-docs "Wireless network troubleshooter" missing strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967350
[17:52] <artnay> while translating, I also found 4 references to Activities overview, bug 967356
[17:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967356 in ubuntu-docs "Precise's "Get Rid of the Keyring Manager" refers to Activities overview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967356
[18:08] <dpm> artnay, on bug 967356, you're describing what you're seeing. Could you add a comment to describe what you'd expect instead of "Activities overview"?
[18:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967356 in ubuntu-docs "Precise's "Get Rid of the Keyring Manager" refers to Activities overview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967356
[18:10] <dpm> mdke, ack on the missing ghelp: substitutions, I'll re-add the script and submit a new MP, good catch!
[18:29] <jbicha> artnay: that link says no matches for bug 967350 says "no matches" https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=first+step
[18:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967350 in ubuntu-docs "Precise's ubuntu-docs "Wireless network troubleshooter" missing strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967350
[19:05] <artnay> jbicha: indeed, that and many other sentences from "Wireless network troubleshooter" don't exist on translation template
[19:10] <jbicha> artnay: what do you mean? the version of ubuntu-docs in Precise is out of date, especially the wireless troubleshooter section
[19:12] <artnay> jbicha: ah, I thought the translation template would be up-to-date, ready for translation.
[19:13] <jbicha> the translation template *is* up-to-date, it's the ubuntu-docs package that's installed on people's computers that is out of date
[19:14] <jbicha> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-docs; cd ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C; yelp .
[19:14] <jbicha> will let you see what the docs look like right now
[19:21] <artnay> jbicha: ok, misunderstood you. hopefully dpm's site will be helpful in this case.
[19:23] <artnay> jbicha: that's up-to-date, right? at least http://<IP_ADDRESS>/net-wireless-troubleshooting.html is totally different compared to yelp's matching section
[19:24] <jbicha> that server seems misconfigured, it's asking me to download the page
[19:24] <jbicha> anyway, I'm on my way out for a bit


[08:38] <cub> I'm downloading beta2 i386 and will start testing during the day.
[10:31] <cub-testing> I don't use live sessions often so I'm not sure if this is a bug or normal behaviour? When I start beta2 in live session I only get US keyboard layout and a one hour time difference.
[10:31] <cub-testing> I didn't have wifi when booting in case it needs that to check where I am_
[10:31] <cub-testing> ?
[10:32] <cub-testing> So, I don't know whether to file a bug or check it as normal.
[10:32] <cub-testing> going for lunch in the mean time
[10:35] <cub-testing> Hmm a thought, the test case states When ubiquity starts select your language in the left column. That never happened when I booted.
[10:36] <cub-testing> maybe that's because I used unetbootin to create the usb
[10:37] <zequence> cub-testing: could be the test is old. Could also be we're lacking something others have
[10:37] <zequence> We should check with Xubuntu
[10:37] <cub-testing> I was hoping elfy might know.
[10:38] <zequence> cub-testing: There's one bug in the plugin - don't deselect any of the two transitional metas: ubuntustudio-recording, or ubuntustudio-generation, or the installer will crash
[10:38] <elfy> what's that
[10:39] <zequence> We should blacklist them. I'm going to try to do that before the Beta release
[10:39] <cub-testing> if live session usually starts with us keyboard by default_
[10:39] <elfy> we've got all sorts going on with keyboards here bug 1284635
[10:39] <elfy> you're affected by that
[10:39] <elfy> I'm also seeing bug 1201762
[10:39] <elfy> if that's any help :)
[10:40] <elfy> and good morning cub-testing zequence :)
[10:40] <cub-testing> i was looking at 1201762 but it's a bit old
[10:40] <cub-testing> hehe good morning elfy
[10:40] <elfy> I know - couldn't decide whether to do a new one or just me too that
[10:40] <elfy> cub-testing: if you want to do a new one - let me know the number and I'll amend my result
[10:41] <cub-testing> I press me too on 1284635, but that is about after doing an installation.
[10:41] <elfy> yep
[10:41] <cub-testing> i just booted the live session
[10:41] <cub-testing> and perhaps that's normal then?
[10:41] <elfy> I've never ever actually had a livesession recognise the keyboard layout as UK though
[10:42] <cub-testing> not UK, English US
[10:42] <elfy> yes
[10:42] <cub-testing> but the time is set for UK time.
[10:42] <elfy> boots to en_us - then ubiquity sets TZ correctly, but doesn't see UK layout
[10:43] <cub-testing> I will file a bug then
[10:43] <elfy> ok
[10:43] <cub-testing> but first food.
[10:43] <elfy> I'm painting a bedroom ...
[10:43] <cub-testing> lucky you haha
[10:43] <elfy> not sure which is best - testing or watching paint dry :D
[11:22] <zequence> I fixed the plugin. No more transtional metas in it
[11:41] <cub-testing> elfy, I created #1297234
[11:41] <elfy> bug 1297234
[11:42] <cub-testing> console-setup.. I tried to get it to keyboard-configuration as the other but it seems it decided against me
[11:43] <elfy> changed it to ubiquity :)
[11:43] <cub-testing> I was wondering about that, but since i was already logged in so to speak i wasn't sure
[11:44] <elfy> oh - did you do this from the installed studio?
[11:44] <cub-testing> no running from usb stick, live session
[11:45] <cub-testing> is that part of ubiquity?
[11:45] <zequence> since the user logs in automatically, the keyboard layout is always default (US)
[11:46] <elfy> cub-testing: ok cool - yea, as far as I know should be ubiquity
[11:46] <zequence> ubiquity is the installer itself (the window that opens, when you select Install Ubuntu Studio )
[11:46] <zequence> the live session is something else
[11:46] <elfy> zequence: yes agreed - but once install is started it should recognide keyboard - or at least guess that a keyboard should be close to tz
[11:47] <zequence> never happened to me. I always select it manually
[11:47] <zequence> during the installation
[11:47] <elfy> zequence: from the iso tracker "... during the installation itself: ubuntu-bug ubiquity"
[11:47] <elfy> zequence: I've not had it not set keyboard to UK
[11:48] <zequence> I think cub-testing is talking about just the live session itself
[11:48] <cub-testing> but zequence I have not started any installation yet, so no question about where i am or keyboard
[11:48] <cub-testing> exactly
[11:48] <zequence> so, not ubiquity
[11:49] <elfy> mmm - ok - so I'm reading you wrong - but I am seeing this as an issue here during install
[11:49] <cub-testing> i made a usb, booted, chose Try ubuntu
[11:49] <cub-testing> and here I am
[11:50] <elfy> ok
[11:50] <elfy> I did the same and have installed 5 times - each time it does not recognise the keyboard
[11:51] <elfy> cub-testing: I've changed it back to console-setup - I'll do a bug myself then
[11:52] <elfy> cub-testing: what you're seeing is normal afaik - as zequence says
[11:53] <cub-testing> ok
[11:53] <cub-testing> that's why I asked before, I never use live session otherwise
[11:53] <cub-testing> so I wasn't what was normal and not
[11:54] <elfy> :) I was getting confused with how I was reading it and what I've been seeing today
[15:06] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I was trying to install linux-lowlatency from synaptic, it said (at the time) the -18 was the latest, but when I tried to download it failed with file not there. Then I downloaded an ISO and it had -19 so it must have been a transient fail.
[15:14]  * OvenWerk1 is having wierd problems all over
[15:17] <OvenWerk1> I had a fresh install, did upgrade which included new kernel, Had tons of kernel oops faults on the new kernel... and even a testing kernel... the old kernel was ok. did a chkdisk and the problem went away :P
[15:49] <zequence> OvenWerk1: So, you don't get kernel oops at all now?
[16:35] <OvenWerk1> zequence: Its gone, I ran the same problem kernel for over an hour of hard use with not one problem.
[16:36] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Good to hear.
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> It seems to have been a write problem with an external USB drive I have been using to test the images with.
[16:39] <OvenWerk1> (disk drive not memory stick)
[16:42] <OvenWerk1> I am just printing the latest ISO to stick so I can test it later today.


[01:44] <kklimonda_> jcastro: ping
[01:46] <kklimonda_> jcastro: when you have a moment I'd like to talk with you. We got a request from Transmission developer for a quote from someone in Canonical (the more important, the better) about how we use Transmission to distribute Ubuntu. I'm forwarding you the email I got (it was also sent to pr at canonical.com but I don't know if they are the best people to ask about it).
[01:55] <jcastro> kklimonda_: I've passed it on
[01:59] <Amaranth> Arg, really need to figure out a time didrocks and me are both online
[02:01] <micahg> Amaranth: you can try in about 4 hours
[02:02] <Amaranth> micahg: Yeah, problem is I have to wake up for work 5 hours after that, probably need to be sleeping :P
[02:02] <micahg> Amaranth: ah, so maybe right before work?
[02:02] <Amaranth> micahg: Thinking about it
[02:19] <Sarvatt> RAOF: 20MB was from libdricore?
[11:27] <rodrigo_> morning
[11:30] <ari-tczew> hello rodrigo_
[11:44] <bcurtiswx> what do we start auto-merging from debian?
[11:46] <bcurtiswx> that is supposed to say when not what :P
[11:49] <Laney> there are no auto merges
[11:52] <ari-tczew> bcurtiswx: autosync is closer. merges are manually work.
[11:52] <bcurtiswx> ok, when does autosync start? O:-)
[11:53] <ari-tczew> bcurtiswx: it's started a long ago
[11:53] <ari-tczew> bcurtiswx: what's the problem?
[11:54] <bcurtiswx> oh, i was thinking it started shortly after UDS.  Thx ari-tczew
[11:55] <ari-tczew> nope. soon after toolchain fix.
[11:55] <bcurtiswx> and no problems, i was just wondering
[12:02] <rodrigo_> hi ari-tczew
[12:12] <pitti> Good morning
[12:18] <cyphermox> pitti, good morning\
[12:18] <pitti> hey cyphermox, made it home in one piece?
[12:19] <cyphermox> yep. then straight to a halloween party :P
[12:19] <cyphermox> sadly, there's snow here now :(
[12:20] <cyphermox> and you?
[12:25] <pitti> cyphermox: I'm in Cambridge, MA now, for plumber's
[12:25] <cyphermox> ah, right
[14:18] <kenvandine> pitti, will SRUs still get synced over to natty? or should I start uploading to both?
[14:19] <pitti> kenvandine: they will be as long as natty never got an upload of that package
[14:19] <kenvandine> ok, so it's automatic still?
[14:19] <pitti> which can in theory happen all the way until release
[14:19] <kenvandine> so as long as the version number matches don't both?
[14:19] <pitti> and it does for a lot of packages
[14:19] <kenvandine> bother?
[14:19] <kenvandine> ok
[14:19] <pitti> kenvandine: correct
[14:19] <kenvandine> ok, i just uploaded the humanity SRU
[14:30] <didrocks> (quick hey during a bank holiday o/)
[14:30] <pitti> hey didrocks
[14:31] <pitti> didrocks: how are you? arrived on time and safely?
[14:31] <didrocks> pitti: hey :) I'm fine thanks. Just had to run at New York, then Paris and finally run to be on time
[14:32] <didrocks> pitti: because of the flight being delayed of 2 hours in Orlando, just 50 minutes for the connexion in New York has been challenging (knowing that I had to change to another terminal and have the security check again)
[14:32] <fagan> didrocks: that sounds like a pain
[14:33] <didrocks> pitti: Same in Paris, delayed, 30 minutes for entering France, 15 minutes for the luggage as it was crowded, then run and arrived 4 minutes before the train quitted.
[14:33] <didrocks> and finally, as I arrived just on time on Lyon, I've been able to run to take the train to Annecy one hour in advance :)
[14:34] <didrocks> so free sport! ;)
[14:34] <didrocks> but all shaped finally nicely
[14:34] <didrocks> pitti: and you?
[14:34] <pitti> didrocks: I'm in Cambridge, MA since Sat afternoon
[14:34] <pitti> it only was a 4 h flight in total, with an 1 h stop in Charlotte
[14:35] <didrocks> oh, you still had a connexion
[14:36] <didrocks> pitti: when plumbers start?
[14:36] <pitti> didrocks: on Wednesday
[14:36] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[14:37] <didrocks> pitti: hope you can enjoy the surroundings before then :)
[14:37] <pitti> I had a nice long walk yesterday
[14:37] <didrocks> (here, back to a 5°C weather :))
[14:38] <pitti> walking through the MIT campus made me wish I'd be a student again for a year :)
[14:40] <didrocks> pitti: hehe nice! ;) is that big?
[14:40] <pitti> quite so
[14:40] <pitti> I walked through other parts of the city, of course (it's not big enough for a 3 hour walk), but it's still impressive
[14:40] <gord> anyone noticed that do-release-upgrade doesn't work yet unless you specify -d? i'm rather worried i'll upgrade my media box to natty here ;)
[14:40] <pitti> and all the pumpkins and fancy costumes :0
[14:40] <didrocks> pitti: awesome :-)
[14:43] <Laney> gord: see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:45] <didrocks> mterry: I saw you changed the Quickly blueprints, thinking about it, the postinst mv won't work if the goal of /opt is to avoid namespace clash (as the files would be in /usr/lib for dpkg and so, it will try to avoid overwrite)
[14:45] <didrocks> mterry: so, I'll add prefix support to python-central
[14:45] <gord> Laney, hrm? no, thats not what i am saying. do-release-upgrade thinks that maverick is still the development release for some reason. i'm guessing because its the last value here maybe http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[14:46] <Laney> oh ok
[14:46] <mterry> didrocks, well, maybe there was some confusion.  I agree that 'postinst' wouldn't work right.  But I thought we had talked about post-install-into-debian/tmp logic in debian/rules.
[14:47] <didrocks> mterry: oh ok, yeah, I was thinking that you talked about postinst
[14:47] <didrocks> mterry: I'm fine with that temporary solution then :)
[14:48] <mterry> didrocks, I may have used the word postinst, but I meant postinstall.  Probably just shut my mouth too quick.  ;)
[14:48] <mterry> didrocks, that temporary solution assumes that python-support doesn't do anything special (i.e. look for anything in /usr/lib) in postinst.  Do you know if that's true?
[14:49] <didrocks> mterry: hum, yeah, python-suppotr does the symlinking, hence the fact it won't work then and the fact I assumed postinst
[14:49] <mterry> didrocks, and was one of the outcomes of the quickly session that LP can already let us upload gpg and ssh keys?  I didn't have whether that was pending or done in my notes
[14:50] <mterry> didrocks, :(  OK.  So damned if we do, damned if we don't.  I suppose we could also do a bit of symlinking ourselves as part of the hack...
[14:50] <didrocks> mterry: allow uploads is done (but not in production if I understood correctly). But we still need CoC + ppa creation
[14:51] <didrocks> mterry: urgh, with .pyc compiling and such? :/ hum, let me have a look tomorrow if I can tweak python-central for supporting prefix
[14:51] <mterry> didrocks, right, I got those bits in the work item list.  Just wasn't sure about gpg/ssh.  I think I remember that now, though.  curtis said they had landed that day in production
[14:51] <didrocks> mterry: check through the online API :-)
[14:51] <mterry> didrocks, ok, so maybe that postinstall hack work item just goes away, leaving your item to make python-central awesomer
[14:52] <didrocks> mterry: well, 3 WI please, one for python-central, one for dh_python2 and another one for Quickly tweaks (bin/ update and such)
[14:53] <mterry> didrocks, you're a glutton for work items!
[14:53]  * didrocks likes details WI as a reminder and avoid last minute "oopppsss" ;)
[14:53] <didrocks> mterry: not really, just I prefer safety net to my memory ;)
[14:54] <mterry> didrocks, done
[14:54] <didrocks> mterry: thanks! :)
[15:07] <thekorn> hi guys,
[15:07] <thekorn> hi didrocks, when you have a minute: what do you think about moving bug 663552 back to unity,
[15:07] <thekorn> as, in my understanding, the reporter is looking for some toggle in the UI to show/hide recently used files
[15:08] <thekorn> hmm, no bot, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/663552
[15:09] <didrocks> thekorn: yeah, sounds good. I was thinking the first message get also some "filtering" request, but it seems it's not the case. Then good to switch it to unity-place-files
[15:09] <didrocks> please do :)
[15:11] <thekorn> didrocks: cool, thanks, will do...And now, enjoy your holiday ;)
[15:11] <didrocks> thekorn: yeah, I should disconnect soon. Thanks! :-)
[15:48] <LyonJT> Does anyone know how to get a vnc server working on ubuntu-server with ubuntu-desktop installed on it and then use a ssh-tunnel to connect to the vnc-server?
[16:06] <malte> Hi, I'm trying to port appmenu to Gentoo and I'm stuck on the GTK+ part (I'm not a gentoo developer, nor do I know C, I just like playing around with Gentoo). When I apply the 043_ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch, the build fails with the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1978783 and I can't figure out how to fix it. It would be great if anyone could help me out
[16:44] <mterry> pitti, thanks for correcting rick's LP name.  Didn't realize he had a goofy one  :)
[16:45] <pitti> mterry: yw; I usually fix that stuff immediately to stop the WI from spamming me every hour :)
[16:46] <mterry> malte, it's missing a function Ubuntu adds to GTK+ itself
[16:46] <mterry> malte, so you'd need to also patch Gentoo's GTK+ to add 'ubuntu_gtk_menu_shell_activate_mnemonic'
[17:01] <kenvandine> malte, try asking in #ayatana
[17:03] <devildante> tremolux: around?
[17:03] <tremolux> devildante: hey!  yep, what's up?
[17:04] <devildante> tremolux: hi :) can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/zeitgeist-unused-applications/+merge/39236 ?
[17:05] <and471> devildante, has mpt_ looked at that?
[17:05] <devildante> and471: no, I don't think so
[17:05] <devildante> but you raise a good point, mpt_ should look at it ;)
[17:05] <and471> devildante, he may want to know about it as well :)
[17:05] <devildante> mpt_ ^
[17:05] <and471> hehe you read my mind :)
[17:06] <devildante> :)
[17:06] <tremolux> devildante: yes, it will be good to have mpt_'s take
[17:06] <devildante> 'kay
[17:07] <devildante> so we wait for him to come, I guess :p
[17:07] <and471> devildante, don't get me wrong tho, I think it is great work :)
[17:07] <devildante> heh :)
[17:09] <tremolux> devildante: sorry for the delay on it;  it's in the queue, we are just back from UDS so we have a bunch of tasks that are taking time early this week
[17:09] <devildante> no problem :)
[17:09] <tremolux> devildante: cool  :)
[17:09] <and471> tremolux, hey, how was UDS?
[17:09] <tremolux> and471: ah yeah, it was great fun
[17:10] <and471> tremolux, you don't enthusiastic :P
[17:10] <and471> *don't sound
[17:10] <tremolux> and471: haha!  sorry, doesn't come thru well on IRC
[17:10] <and471> tremolux, hehe I am just teasing
[17:11] <tremolux> and471: :D
[17:12] <tremolux> and471: I'm still recovering a bit, trying to organize all of the plans and ideas covered, so much happens during that week
[17:13] <and471> tremolux, I bet
[17:13] <tremolux> and471: it was cool to see you in some sessions  :)
[17:13] <and471> tremolux, yeah I was saying to mpt_ luckily the time zone was not too bad, I could participate in most morning session
[17:13] <and471> s
[17:13] <tremolux> and471: sorry for the super-loud coughing in that one session  ;)
[17:15] <and471> tremolux, hehe, I shall just have to purposefully do it if I ever come to UDS...
[17:15] <tremolux> and471: still can't figure out what that was, 'cuz we really didn't hear any coughing in the room!
[17:15] <tremolux> and471: yes!  get your revenge  ;)
[17:15] <and471> tremolux, yeah it is strange...
[17:16] <and471> haha
[17:25] <mpt_> devildante, hi, yes, I hoped to look at it today but ran out of time
[17:25] <devildante> np ;)
[18:05] <malte> mterry: I was wondering how I would do that
[18:06] <malte> kenvandine: thanks, I'll try that
[18:08] <devildante> seif_: when logging to a file, do we want only the timestamp shown before each line or also a human-readable date?
[18:27] <devildante> whoops, just noticed I posted to the wrong channel :p
[20:25] <pitti> TheMuso: gconftool -R /|grep required_components
[20:25] <pitti> TheMuso: it's the /desktop/gnome/session
[20:26] <pitti> TheMuso: it's the /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list
[20:28] <pitti> required_components_list = [windowmanager,filemanager]
[21:49] <TheMuso> Hey robert_ancell. How was your trip back home?
[21:50] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, long and boring?
[21:50] <TheMuso> Heh right, but uneventful otherwise I guess.
[21:50] <TheMuso> .c
[21:52] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, sure was.  Has plumbers starteD?
[21:52] <TheMuso> No, starts on Wednesday. Having a mini sprint until then.