[05:27] <dooglus> ooh.  my Mum has stopped talking to me on gaim and it's dropped to zero.
[05:27] <rnasklaved> boopop - I had the same problem once, and it worked when I added them map by map....
[05:27] <toxicfume> Can someone here please send me acherhk-0.5.22? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down
[05:27] <dooglus> can gaim really cause 15000 bytes per second to be sent to me?  She doesn't even type very fast.
[05:27] <chocoIate> how about this, i got a trace of my pon ppp0 ; can some take a look and help, i just need to know why its failing and what i need to do : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1208
[05:27] <boopop> vjaz: any music players u can think of that work on ubuntu that has a library part to it
[05:28] <ksmurf> hello
[05:28] <ksmurf> I was getting an NOT ATHENTICATED error for my updates... will this be a problem?
[05:29] <boopop> Vjaz:?
[05:29] <ksmurf> boopop amarok
[05:29] <Vjaz> boopop: well amarok is one... then there's Muine, although that was a CPU hog if I remember right...
[05:30] <Amaranth> IIIEars: GOOD MORNING! ;)
[05:30] <Vjaz> boopop: amaroK is good if you're not afraid of installing KDE applications on your system.
[05:30] <boopop> and how would i install this amarok?, if u had noticed im a noob at linux :)
[05:30] <Amaranth> IIIEars: What was that about?
[05:30] <boopop> hadnt*
[05:30] <ksmurf> anyone have luck getting a serial wacom graphire going?
[05:30] <rnasklaved> anyone knows a .bin extractor for ubuntu?
[05:30] <resiak> rnasklaved: No such thing.
[05:30] <Amaranth> rnasklaved: bchunk
[05:30] <Amaranth> convert bin/cue to iso
[05:31] <nalioth> boopop: use synaptic
[05:31] <boopop> Vjaz: How would I install it?
[05:31] <Amaranth> doesn't always work
[05:31] <rnasklaved> I'll try bchunk....Thanks!
[05:31] <Vjaz> boopop: With apt-get or synaptic. It's in universe I think.
[05:31] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows? :x
[05:31] <ksmurf> does the linux version of nero work for bin/cue?
[05:31] <Amaranth> rnasklaved: You could install wine and magiciso, it'll do the same thing but with a GUI.
[05:32] <Amaranth> ksmurf: people use the linux version of nero? :)
[05:32] <rnasklaved> nero linux is OK for CD's, but not for DVD
[05:32] <nalioth> ksmurf: the nero for linux is trash
[05:32] <ksmurf> Amaranth rofl...
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> and why even use it for cd's when there are alternatives that do both :-<
[05:32] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, it probably easiest to install firestarter and use a gui ;)
[05:32] <raDeon> LOL FIRESTARTER!!
[05:32] <raDeon> LMAO!
[05:32] <ksmurf> I was just asking the question..lol
[05:32] <raDeon> HAHAHAHA
[05:32] <raDeon> die.
[05:32] <raDeon> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA die.
[05:32] <Amaranth> rnasklaved: Oh, it's a DVD bin/cue? Not sure about that then.
[05:33] <LinuxJones> raDeon, stop spamming the channel
[05:33] <Amaranth> raDeon: ...
[05:33] <raDeon> LinuxJones, who's spamming?
[05:33] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: you should start practising to express yourself with more words
[05:33] <raDeon> hey what's up factor
[05:33] <raDeon> long time no see
[05:33] <LinuxJones> raDeon, you are stop it please
[05:33] <toxicfume> Can someone here please send me acherhk-0.5.22? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down
[05:33] <nalioth> Amaranth: binchunk should do the trick
[05:33] <toxicfume> i mean acerhk0.5.22.tgz
[05:33] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: yea, couldn't be here because I had to attend to my own graduation parties
[05:33] <rnasklaved> Fator_Dee - what program does both?
[05:34] <Amaranth> toxicfume: How would we have it? :)
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> rnasklaved: graveman, gnomebaker
[05:34] <nalioth> ksmurf: i personally try not to use non-open source proggys (esp when f/oss ones do so much better)
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> rnasklaved: k3b
[05:34] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've installed firestarter but when i try to start it is says that ppp0 is not ready and im using it because im surfing in the net
[05:34] <raDeon> Fator_Dee, don't get snooty with me
[05:34] <nalioth> rnasklaved: gmomebaker, graveman
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: I'm I getting snooty with you? I was just informing you why I couldn't come here to talk with you :-<
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> *Am I
[05:34] <raDeon> you said it in a snooty way
[05:35] <Fator_Dee> I didn't mean that
[05:35] <ksmurf> nal: I am moving in that direction... But with my wacom not working I'm having trouble
[05:35] <raDeon> i couldn't be here because i had to attend my own graduation parties DUH YOU SUCH AN IDIOT!!
[05:35] <raDeon> that's the way i interpreted it
[05:35] <raDeon> like i should have some previous knowledge of where you were
[05:35] <rnasklaved> Fator_Dee - Thanks!
[05:35] <Chambers`> is k3b the only app for burning stuff?    Sort of like Daemon Tools for Windows?
[05:37] <goldfish_> raDeon: shit the fuck up
[05:37] <norman> Hi all
[05:37] <goldfish_> *shut
[05:37] <raDeon> goldfish_, what's your problem?
[05:38] <goldfish_> raDeon: dont say that, someone actually ran that when someone in here told them.
[05:38] <cikilin> and?
[05:38] <nalioth> cikilin: do not run that command
[05:38] <raDeon> goldfish_, wish i was here to see that
[05:38] <cikilin> radeon u r nice
[05:38] <raDeon> cikilin, thanks
[05:38] <LinuxJones> raDeon, your acting like a tool for telling someone to do that
[05:38] <goldfish_> raDeon: :)
[05:38] <raDeon> i apologize
[05:38] <raDeon> no need to take any action
[05:38] <Amaranth> raDeon: Don't give advice like that again.
[05:39] <Amaranth> raDeon: I'm beginning to think you're only here to troll.
[05:39] <Myrtti> I'd spank him
[05:39] <raDeon> of course not
[05:39] <cikilin> so?
[05:39] <Myrtti> with CAT-5
[05:39] <raDeon> im just waiting for my ubuntu cds in the mail
[05:39] <cikilin> the way to change?
[05:39] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, he has done this on several occasions in the past :(
[05:39] <raDeon> i ordered 30 copies
[05:39] <Amaranth> raDeon: You'll get them when breezy ships. ;)
[05:39] <Amaranth> raDeon: Do you have a use for 30?
[05:39] <raDeon> i thought they were going to be hoary?
[05:39] <raDeon> Amaranth, im gonna distribute them to my skewl
[05:39] <WhiteRabbit> Im getting 550 copys
[05:40] <Amaranth> raDeon: They will be, but breezy will be out by then.
[05:40] <Amaranth> WhiteRabbit: You had better have a very important need for that many CDs.
[05:40] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys is ther away to boot a .iso from the harddrive?
[05:40] <Myrtti> not the sharpest knife in the box
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> Amaranth, Im gonna do art on my wall with them!
[05:40] <goldfish_> rm -rf / should be automatically aliased by default to "NOT A CHANCE"
[05:40] <raDeon> KIK
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> Amaranth, No I really have a good use for them
[05:40] <cikilin> is any way to change my password,pls
[05:40] <xabbu> cikilin, passwd <username>
[05:40] <Myrtti> or just passwd
[05:40] <cikilin> ?
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> Amaranth, I have corp clients that eat the live cds up
[05:41] <cikilin> just passw
[05:41] <xabbu> passwd
[05:41] <cikilin> yes
[05:41] <cikilin> only passwd
[05:41] <nalioth> oris_wolfbane: i'm sure there is a arcane manner of doing it, but i'm gonna say generally NO
[05:41] <oris_wolfbane> nalioth, argh!, ok
[05:42] <LinuxJones> cikilin, passwd (enter current password) (enter new password)
[05:42] <IIIEars> WhiteRabbit - Do you customise them for your clients?
[05:42] <nalioth> cikilin: at the terminal, type "passwd" <enter>
[05:42] <Amaranth> I don't know of a way to boot an iso from the HD, you need to burn it to a CD.
[05:42] <boopop> vjaz: bah, this amarok aint working :(
[05:42] <raDeon> red hat lets you boot iso from hard drive
[05:42] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, you can use qemu
[05:42] <nalioth> boopop: wahts not working about it?
[05:42] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, it's very slow tho :)
[05:42] <xabbu> Isn't it possible to mount a iso?
[05:42] <boopop> vjaz: some error about the drivers
[05:42] <cikilin> cikilin@10:~ $  "passwd" <enter>
[05:42] <cikilin> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[05:42] <nalioth> the horns are getting bigger
[05:42] <Choubaka> xabbu: it is.
[05:43] <boopop> vjaz: and when I try to get it to play music, nothing happens
[05:43] <Amaranth> LinuxJones: Yeah, qemu is about 20x slower than vmware, even with kqemu.
[05:43] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i only do the part of the server right?
[05:43] <nalioth> boopop: do you have all your restricted formats onboard?
[05:43] <xabbu> cikilin, Just type passwd in the console and press enter.
[05:43] <Choubaka> That's because VMware is quite different from qemu :)
[05:43] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, the client is a windows system
[05:43] <bob2> Amaranth: er, are you sure of that?
[05:43] <Choubaka> mount -o loop iso.image /mountpoint
[05:43] <boopop> vjaz: ?
[05:43] <Amaranth> bob2: i've used both, pretty sure
[05:43] <WhiteRabbit> IIIEars, I have been hyping linux & bsd every chance to my clients & its starting to pay off
[05:43] <WhiteRabbit> IIIEars, at times yes
[05:43] <boopop> I installed mp3 support if that's what u mean
[05:43] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, yeah on the Ubuntu system with the 2 nic cards
[05:43] <bob2> that's amazing
[05:44] <cikilin> i type it
[05:44] <IIIEars> A LightScribe Drive and a few webpages with your info and business links.
[05:44] <boopop> vjaz: what do i do to make sure?
[05:44] <nalioth> boopop: hmmm then we're out of my league
[05:44] <Amaranth> bob2: kqemu running iTunes on win2k was painful, running it on vmware (30 day trial) was like running it on a real computer
[05:44] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i do what the file says, and isnt sharing the connection :S
[05:44] <xabbu> cikilin, Type in your previous password and when asked for
[05:44] <IIIEars> Ubuntu wins too. - don't get me wrong.
[05:44] <Chambers`> does gnome have a gui or anything for cdemu?
[05:45] <Amaranth> cdemu?
[05:45] <bob2> wow
[05:45] <Chambers`> it's like daemon tools.. mounts different types of image files
[05:45] <Choubaka> I don't think there's a GUI
[05:45] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, when i do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" is supposed to echo something?
[05:45] <Choubaka> In _any_ distro.
[05:45] <Choubaka> :)
[05:45] <kiwnix> dReadMoRe, no
[05:45] <cikilin> xabbu is not working
[05:46] <xabbu> Okey
[05:46] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, did you configure your windows machine to use the Ubuntu machine for internet use....ie set the default gateway to point to the ubuntu box, then restart
[05:46] <kiwnix> dReadMoRe, you can test if its correct, by doing cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[05:46] <kiwnix> if it's 1... its ok :)=
[05:46] <Chambers`> or can gnome use a kde kicker applet?  Cause one is available
[05:47] <dReadMoRe> yes is says 1
[05:47] <IIIEars> reboot! reboot! reboot! gotta be windows linux doesn't wobble like that.
[05:47] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward it should output 1 if you set it correctly.
[05:47] <xabbu> cikilin, check pm
[05:47] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yes it says that
[05:48] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, the computers are configured to work in lan, in windows
[05:48] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, perfect now configure your windows box to use the Ubuntu machine as gateway and it should work after rebooting the windows box
[05:48] <Redclawz> I had a folder in my trash can that i wanted to delete it. When i tried i got a permission error. I asked one of my good friends how do i delelte it and he gave me this line."sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*"IT worked, but now when i put something new in the trash can it does not update the icon
[05:48] <cikilin> ?
[05:48] <cikilin> pm
[05:48] <cikilin> xabbu pm?
[05:48] <xabbu> cikilin, private message
[05:49] <IIIEars> LinuxJones - is there a GUI for Samba? - I have the new user blues..
[05:49] <cikilin> thank you
[05:49] <cikilin> i did it
[05:49] <xabbu> Great.
[05:49] <cikilin> it worked
[05:49] <cikilin> ;)
[05:49] <novaflare> install number 4
[05:49] <novaflare> some one needs to delete the post about the ati rpm drivers or put a huge ass warnign on it
[05:49] <novaflare> it does not work
[05:50] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in this line "$iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ethX -j MASQUERADE" i change ethX to ppp0 because i'm using eciadsl and i have a usb modem, did i do it well?
[05:50] <LinuxJones> |||Ears, there are a few around I think you can use webmin but google might offer some better options
[05:51] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, the ppp0 card is connected to the Internet and your ethernet card is connected to your network ?
[05:52] <novaflare> this howto = bad news http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495 dont use it less your willing to take a huge chance at hosing ubuntu
[05:52] <Eighth> hey all, i'm trying to install planeshift and it tells me 'dialog: command not found'
[05:52] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yes
[05:52] <novaflare> its smoked my install twice now
[05:52] <boopop> nalioth: how do I install an engine
[05:53] <ilba7r> hi anyone know how can i set my wirless network on my notebook
[05:53] <nalioth> novaflare: that goes for ANY of ubuntuguide.org (imho)
[05:53] <nalioth> boopop: what kind of engine, and what hardware are you running?
[05:53] <boopop> cause there's no 'engine' to select from on the amarok settings
[05:53] <novaflare> no most of ones i used work fine
[05:53] <novaflare> but that one has major problems
[05:53] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i restart the windows computer and doesnt work
[05:53] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, that sounds good
[05:53] <xabbu> Eighth, when does it say that?
[05:53] <boopop> nalioth: cause there's no 'engine' to select from on the amarok setting
[05:54] <nalioth> boopop: go to ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ and look for restricted formats
[05:54] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, can you ping the Ubuntu machine ?
[05:54] <nalioth> boopop: make sure ya got all your mp3 playin stuff installed
[05:54] <dReadMoRe> how can i do that? ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:54] <LinuxJones> yeah
[05:54] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, k wait
[05:54] <Eighth> xabbu: right after it finishes uncompressing
[05:54] <xabbu> What command?
[05:55] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, if that's the ip address of the 2nd ethernet card in your Ubuntu box
[05:55] <Eighth> mind if i paste the output to you?
[05:55] <xabbu> No pm me the result
[05:56] <Eighth> that's actually what i meant
[05:56] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in this line "$ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>" i put that address
[05:56] <virtuald> any kernel hacker here? B]
[05:56] <virtuald> http://paste.se.linux.org/?id=1004
[05:56] <ilba7r> i tried to install wlan but still could not configure my wlan network any help is appreciated
[05:56] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in system->administration->networking i activate the eth0 card and put dhcp
[05:57] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, am i doing it right?
[05:57] <voth> anyone used that ubuntu script from the ubuntuforums.org site?
[05:57] <dReadMoRe> when i try to ping this machine from windows computer it says "destination unreachable"
[05:57] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, when i try to ping this machine from windows computer it says "destination unreachable"...
[05:58] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, are you running firestarter
[05:58] <norman> Does anybody know a tool for the Pentium M Speedstepping features?
[05:58] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, no, i've unistalled it
[05:58] <synd`> can anyone help me recognize my wireless card in damn small? : )
[05:58] <dakz> how is it that i cant access my 2nd hd even if i can see it?
[05:59] <boopop> nalioth: gstreamer's installed
[05:59] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, so eth0 is connected to Internet and eth1 is lan conenction ?
[06:00] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, no eth0 is connected to lan and ppp0 is connected to internet
[06:01] <nalioth> boopop: gstreamer0.8-mad? or some other one? there are lots of gstrmr plugins
[06:01] <geetergod> Can someone tell me how to check what sound card i have?
[06:02] <geetergod> I bought speakers where u need 5.1 card and 3 of them dont work
[06:02] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, ok so you need to set teh ip address of eth0 to the 192.168 number
[06:02] <geetergod> but 2 mains and the sub works
[06:02] <boopop> nalioth: gstreamer0.8
[06:03] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, where can i do that?
[06:03] <nalioth> boopop: yes, but is the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin installed?
[06:03] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, sudo network-admin (don't use dhcp for that device)
[06:03] <apollo2011> Where do I put files once I have Apache installed? I put the mediawiki files in the /srv files but it doesn't show up.
[06:03] <tsume> Breezy rocks!
[06:03] <tsume> works nicely :)
[06:04] <LinuxJones> tsume, haha
[06:04] <boopop> nalioth: yep
[06:04] <synd> can anyone help me recognize my wireless card in damn small? : )
[06:04] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've configured it to static ip adress and the ip to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:04] <nalioth> then you should be able to run and play
[06:04] <Choubaka> tsume: You should've bought a lottery ticket instead.
[06:05] <nalioth> boopop: then you should be able to run and play
[06:05] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, ok great, make sure the device is activated and try again form the windows box
[06:05] <geetergod> what room could i go into to help me with speakers/sound?
[06:05] <tsume> Choubaka: lottery tickets are for poor people
[06:05] <nalioth> tsume: works nicely "Today"
[06:05] <tsume> nalioth: heh :)
[06:05] <Choubaka> tsume: Are you rich, tne?
[06:05] <Choubaka> then*
[06:05] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, what's up ?
[06:05] <boopop> nalioth: well i can't on amorak :(
[06:05] <raymanrey> i need add
[06:05] <tsume> Choubaka: I must be, I don't use windows :P
[06:06] <raymanrey> commands
[06:06] <raymanrey> to one file
[06:06] <raymanrey> in command
[06:06] <Choubaka> tsume: :P
[06:06] <raymanrey> for example
[06:06] <raymanrey> pwd
[06:06] <Choubaka> Neither do I.
[06:06] <goldfish_> raymanrey: ???
[06:06] <raymanrey> and echo $HOME
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: if it were up to me, i'd install ALL gstreamer plugs i could find (using synaptic)
[06:06] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, you want to add some aliases ?
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: AND lame and liblame
[06:06] <Choubaka> I temporarily have some money though.
[06:06] <raymanrey> nop
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: and ogg support
[06:06] <geetergod> Is there a room that can help me with my speakers/soundcard?
[06:06] <tsume> I think I'll be lazy and work at home today
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: but that's just me
[06:07] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've configured the windows computer to use to TCP/IP protocol a gateway with ip address <IP_ADDRESS> and the ip is getted by DHCP
[06:07] <raymanrey> i want the result of this command
[06:07] <raymanrey> to the
[06:07] <Choubaka> But it will allgo into buying a mac laptop
[06:07] <raymanrey> file
[06:07] <raymanrey> exit
[06:07] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, and when i ping now the server computer from the client it says "request timeout"
[06:07] <nalioth> Choubaka: wise choice
[06:07] <boopop> nalioth: ah.... doesn't look like lame's installed
[06:07] <raymanrey> pwd > salida.tx
[06:07] <raymanrey> but
[06:07] <Choubaka> nalioth: I just don't know which one I should get. :P
[06:07] <goldfish_> dReadMoRe: What is your default gateway?
[06:07] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, you have to set static ip addresses on the windows box too
[06:07] <raymanrey> if i try do it again with the command echo
[06:07] <boopop> nalioth: surely it must have been if music player could play em?
[06:08] <kwelijones> is someone there
[06:08] <raymanrey> dont rewrite it
[06:08] <Choubaka> I already have enough money for the smallest iBook, but are they any good?
[06:08] <raymanrey> jut write
[06:08] <nalioth> boopop: not sure about amarok
[06:08] <raymanrey> the last command
[06:08] <nalioth> boopop: i run on a PPC, and things is a bit different here
[06:08] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, cant i get the ip address by DHCP
[06:08] <goldfish_> kwelijones: hi
[06:08] <IIIEars> SoundJiucer is ripping OGG at 2.4X - Can it be faster?
[06:08] <kwelijones> can someone tell me how to only open one window at a time
[06:08] <dReadMoRe> goldfish_, ubuntu computer with <IP_ADDRESS> address
[06:08] <nalioth> boopop: i have ALL gstreamer plugins (even the ones i had to compile myself) plus ogg and mp3 support
[06:09] <kwelijones> hi goldfish
[06:09] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, the > overwrites what is in the file if you use >> it will add to the file rather than overwrite what is in there like pwd >> salida.txt
[06:09] <goldfish_> kwelijones: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#openeachfolderssamewindownautilus
[06:10] <nalioth> IIIEars: that sounds about right
[06:10] <kwelijones> thanks
[06:10] <IIIEars> Okay. :)
[06:10] <boopop> nalioth: i tried to install it and.... " gstreamer0.8-lame:
[06:10] <boopop>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:10] <boopop> "
[06:10] <raymanrey> thanks LInuxJones
[06:11] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, where is the dhcp server ?
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've set the windows computer to have <IP_ADDRESS> address and now i can ping the server(ubuntu computer)
[06:11] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, np ;)
[06:11] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, perfect
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, but i cant access to the internet
[06:11] <IIIEars> nalioth - Is FLAC or MP3 (I know I know prpopretary.) Faster?
[06:11] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, did you assign the default gateway to be <IP_ADDRESS> on the windows box ?
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i do not set DNS server in windows computer, what am i supposed to put there?
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yes
[06:12] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[06:12] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, use static ip address
[06:12] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, use static ip address <IP_ADDRESS> for example
[06:12] <nalioth> IIIEars: not sure, just know that oggenc doesnt work too fast on any platform
[06:12] <IIIEars> lol - Gotta have my Britney spears album right away - j/k
[06:12] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, where?
[06:13] <nalioth> IIIEars: and another eason why i compile all my stuff myself (or try to)
[06:13] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, sorry i dont understand :x
[06:13] <IIIEars> nalioth - Good tip. Thank You
[06:13] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, heh, I havn't used Windows in like 5 years :)
[06:13] <geetergod> Can someone help me with my soundcard/speakers?
[06:13] <nalioth> IIIEars: ya might not get a lot out of selfcompilation, but then again, ya might
[06:13] <boopop> nalioth: any ideas?
[06:13] <geetergod> I just wanna know if i have a 5.1 card or not
[06:14] <nalioth> boopop: no sir. i
[06:14] <nalioth> m fresh out of ideas
[06:14] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, lol :S the only part that i do not enter anything in windows computer is DNS Server, its supposed to put an ip address
[06:15] <raymanrey> LinuxJones who can i print the init file
[06:15] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, your running your own dhcp server ?
[06:15] <raymanrey> in command
[06:16] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, you want to print something ?
[06:16] <drasko> hi all. How to disable users exit some gnome application in elegan way, and still -- I am trying to set up kiosk with gnome.
[06:16] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in linux?
[06:16] <IIIEars> Hot Damn! OGG sounds pretty good. :)
[06:17] <raymanrey> the startup file
[06:17] <nalioth> IIIEars: and its open source, too!
[06:17] <raymanrey> in spanish
[06:17] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've done what this page says in server settings http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection
[06:17] <raymanrey> archivo de inicializacion
[06:17] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, where is the windows box getting the ip information from. What dhcp server is the windows box connecting to ?
[06:17] <raymanrey> i don't know how can i write it
[06:18] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, there is a spanish channel as well in #ubuntu-es
[06:18] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, windows is connected to this computer (ubuntu system) by eth0
[06:18] <raymanrey> ok
[06:18] <raymanrey> thanks
[06:18] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, it may be a little easier to learn Linux in your own language :)
[06:18] <Eighth> anyone have experience with gnome-pilot?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, then dhcp is not necessary on the windows machine
[06:19] <geetergod> I just wanna know if i have a 5.1 sound card haha
[06:19] <raymanrey> yeah i thinks so
[06:20] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yeah i put a static ip address in windows machine (<IP_ADDRESS>) and now windows machine can ping the ubuntu machine, but cant connect to the internet
[06:20] <geetergod> cause i have new speakers that require a 5.1 and the surround speakers dont work
[06:20] <Demian__> openoffice 2
[06:20] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i think thats because i do not write DNS servers in windows machine
[06:21] <Flash13> :\ Ok, why am I stuck with only 640x480 selectable
[06:21] <Demian__> is it better then 1
[06:21] <Demian__> ?
[06:21] <Demian__> I guess so, bet it's always good to check :)
[06:21] <geetergod> Flash13, are you running linux off a cd?
[06:21] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, it should be working double check your settings on the wiki page again
[06:22] <IIIEars> dReadMe - use your isps nDNS servers or will the linux box act as your name server?
[06:22] <mof> Flash13, what do you mean ?
[06:22] <Flash13> geetergod, no, I tried that, but now I've actually installed it, it's still stuck
[06:22] <xabbu> Flash13, You have to setup x
[06:23] <IIIEars> dReadMe - can you ping a numerical address for google or any other sites?
[06:23] <nalioth> Flash13: check this out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:23] <jigme> hi
[06:23] <LinuxJones> Flash13, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:23] <Flash13> Thanks nalioth, I was just about to google for the wiki
[06:24] <apollo2011> What file does apache load for PHP?
[06:24] <Flash13> lol This res is so unbarable, I can't see most of the 'Accept' buttons on the updater lol
[06:24] <matt_> this ubuntu is so dam god
[06:24] <matt_> good
[06:25] <matt_> i cant get 1280*1024 resolution tho, even tho i elected to use it in setup
[06:25] <nalioth> Flash13: remember VESA will be with you.... always
[06:25] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've put DNS server in windows the same that i configured to linux and now its working
[06:25] <Demian__> matt_, check @xorg
[06:25] <Demian__> #xorg
[06:26] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, many thanks for patience and support :D
[06:26] <matt_> it is listed in all color depths
[06:26] <IIIEars> dReadReadMoRe - Hooray!
[06:26] <matt_> just not in the change resolution menu
[06:26] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, awesome good stuff :)
[06:26] <stazz> How can I choose which soundcard is the primary card?
[06:27] <matt_> i'm using virtual pc btw, and had to set default color depth to 16-bit. I dunno if this has any impact on resolution
[06:27] <stazz> I have two, and I want to swap them around, so that (current) dsp becomes dsp1
[06:28] <apollo2011> What file does apache load for PHP?
[06:28] <geetergod> baaaaaah someone help me! :)
[06:28] <Shido6> what can I use to monitor my mobo temp and cpu tem in ubuntu?
[06:28] <IIIEars> < FAXES geetegod an aspirin. - whats up?
[06:28] <Eighth> anyone have experience with gnome-pilot?
[06:28] <geetergod> lol thanks
[06:29] <nux> dans 30min j'ai ubuntu yahouuuuuuuuuu
[06:29] <apollo2011> What file does Apache2 load for PHP support? I want to setup mediawiki on my pc but it require php support, and when I load the index.php, it tries to download it
[06:29] <geetergod> Well i bought new speakers yesterday that require a 5.1 soundcard...
[06:29] <geetergod> and the 2 mains and sub works, the center and surrounds dont
[06:29] <Shido6> yeah
[06:29] <geetergod> does that mean i dont have a 5.1 card? and where do i check to see what i have?
[06:29] <Shido6> I have the same problem
[06:29] <opirg> Any XFCE users here? I'm wondering why after I install xfmedia it will not play a CD. xine-lib is installed. It simply does not play - no progress is shown, no audio comes out. I have an Ubuntu server install with xfce
[06:29] <xabbu> apollo2011, sudo apt-get install php4-common
[06:29] <IIIEars> geetergod - lspci  ?
[06:29] <Shido6> my soundmax card (onbaord) has 5.1 but I dont know how to enable it in ubuntu fro my movies, etc
[06:30] <apollo2011> xabbu: I have it installed already
[06:30] <Shido6> opirg, make sure you're using Esound or ESD
[06:30] <xabbu> Then it should work
[06:30] <xabbu> apollo2011, try dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:30] <geetergod> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0
[06:30] <apollo2011> xabbu: ok
[06:30] <geetergod> is that it?
[06:31] <xabbu> apollo2011, might have to sudo it
[06:31] <Flash13> Package `xserver.xorg' is not installed <-- thats a bad thing I'm guessing
[06:31] <geetergod> IIIears, does that say what it is?
[06:32] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:32] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> root@infant-finite:~ # glxgears
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev,
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[06:32] <opirg> Shido6 - how do I do this? Can't find a setting in xfmedia or xfce
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> ideas?
[06:32] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, is secute to write in ntfs partitions using captive ntfs?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Flash13: xserver-xorg ( note the hyphen)
[06:33] <xabbu> apollo2011, does it work?
[06:33] <apollo2011> no doesn't do anything
[06:33] <apollo2011> no config comes up
[06:33] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: huh? ntfs writes? captive ntfs?
[06:34] <matt_> so, any suggestions why 1280x1024 isnt avaliable in the screen resolution menu even tho it is listed in xorg.conf?
[06:34] <xabbu> Have you tried? It doesn't say anything
[06:34] <dReadMoRe> nalioth, http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[06:34] <apollo2011> xabbue: this is what I get:
[06:34] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:34] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$
[06:34] <xabbu> yeah.
[06:34] <xabbu> apollo2011, nothing more should happen
[06:35] <apollo2011> oh
[06:35] <IIIEars> matt_ - the refresh rate (likely) less so the video ram or driver wasn't picked right.
[06:35] <angela> join me on #yeah
[06:36] <matt_> hmmm... ok thanks. this is using virtual PC so maybe thats to blame.
[06:36] <IIIEars> matt_ - It's a pain isn't it? - Don't worry it's worth it your video card just might be faster in linux than it ever was in windows.
[06:37] <Brian16> Hey
[06:37] <ogami1972> hello
[06:37] <IIIEars> matt_ - Sounds like fun gotta check it out.
[06:37] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: looks like a cobbled together arrangement, illegally using m$ libs
[06:38] <xabbu> hello
[06:38] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: i do not write/read ntfs myself
[06:38] <ogami1972> anybody know how to watch .nsv video streams in ubuntu?
[06:38] <matt_> what u gonna check out?
[06:38] <ogami1972> i miss saltwaterchimp- i used to watch it on winamp
[06:39] <xabbu> apollo2011, is it working?'
[06:39] <opirg> anyone here know how to configue ESD in XFCE/xfmedia ?
[06:39] <mulia> my internet access is very clow, I'm using fire fox
[06:39] <hikaru79> Can someone send me their sources.list for hoary? I'm having TONS of repository problems. 403's, 404's, etc.
[06:39] <hikaru79> us.archive especially seems to be messed up
[06:39] <ogami1972> when i promote linux, that is often the dealbreaker- troubles with media, like atomfilms and such
[06:40] <IIIEars> hikaru - "backports"?
[06:40] <apollo2011> xabbu: no
[06:40] <apollo2011> xabbu: reloaded and everything...
[06:40] <hikaru79> IIIears, actually, the backports aren't giving me any trouble
[06:40] <LinuxJones> mulia, you have to disable ipv6
[06:40] <hikaru79> I'm getting stuff like this:
[06:40] <hikaru79> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libx/libxml-libxml-perl/libxml-libxml-perl_1.58-0.3_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:40] <nalioth> hikaru79: there is a virgin sources.list on ubuntulinux.org
[06:40] <IIIEars> hikaru - ah.. getting backport errors here..
[06:41] <xabbu> apollo2011, Thats strange.
[06:41] <nalioth> hikaru79: if you are not getting backports problems NOW, you will
[06:41] <hikaru79> nalioth, what do you mean?
[06:41] <hikaru79> At the moment, the MAIN ubuntu archive is messing up =/
[06:41] <ogami1972> i heard they shutdown the backports due to high traffic
[06:41] <LinuxJones> mulia, in firefox type about:config then in the search filter type ipv6 set the valut to true
[06:41] <hikaru79> us.archive.ubuntu.com is not backports...
[06:41] <LinuxJones> *value
[06:42] <nalioth> hikaru79: backports can (and mostly does) breaks your upgrade cycle
[06:42] <dennis__> Helo.
[06:42] <nalioth> hikaru79: just a matter of time
[06:42] <ogami1972> mulia:
[06:42] <ogami1972> http://www.testingreflections.com/node/view/1549
[06:42] <hikaru79> I see...
[06:42] <novaflare> now im reaaly about to forget linux all togather
[06:43] <hikaru79> So backports is not reccomended?
[06:43] <novaflare> clean install of ubuntu
[06:43] <knewt> anyone here use apt-build? it doesn't want to work properly for me
[06:43] <nalioth> hikaru79: nope
[06:43] <novaflare> but xorg drivers still refuse to work
[06:43] <ogami1972> great- that would explain alot
[06:43] <novaflare> im still stuck on this mesa3d crap
[06:43] <nalioth> knewt: i use "apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[06:43] <LinuxJones> novaflare, your getting a black screen or something ?
[06:43] <hikaru79> nalioth, if I've already installed backports packages, is there a way to get back to normal without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[06:43] <IIIEars> nalioth - But what will i do for "Drama" with backports disabled? - crossed fingers and held breath are fun during an upgrade. wide grin
[06:43] <novaflare> no
[06:43] <JDahl> knewt, what's wrong with it?
[06:43] <novaflare> im stuck with crap mesa3d
[06:43] <nalioth> hikaru79: you may comment out the backports repos, and continue as normal
[06:43] <LinuxJones> novaflare, what kind of card ?
[06:43] <novaflare> no matter what i try
[06:44] <novaflare> mesa3d indirect rendering
[06:44] <novaflare> radeon 9k pro 128 agp
[06:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: i could send you some PPC-only repos
[06:44] <novaflare> they worked bbefore but not now
[06:44] <ogami1972> nalioth- will just getting rid of repository fix problems it may have caused?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> novaflare, you installed the ati drivers from the ubuntu repositories ?
[06:44] <novaflare> yeh
[06:44] <novaflare> set my config
[06:44] <IIIEars> novaflare - hm - sounds interesting. - only if you munge vers. numbers tho. - lol
[06:44] <novaflare> same way as the first time that worked
[06:45] <novaflare> infact every thing is the same as the only working try
[06:45] <novaflare> yet mesa3d indirect is still all i got
[06:45] <nalioth> ogami1972: in my experience (my own and watching others) commenting out backports is enough
[06:45] <brush> anybody know why i can't connect to random servers (ie musicbrainz)?
[06:45] <ogami1972> hmmm
[06:45] <LinuxJones> brush, are you timing out ?
[06:45] <brush> yeah
[06:45] <novaflare> its like the drivers in the respository are no longer working
[06:45] <brush> can't ping either
[06:45] <nierkiuz> is KDE 3.4 included in ubuntu 5.04? :)
[06:45] <brush> running ubuntu 5.04
[06:46] <ogami1972> anyhoo- .nsv streams anyone?- mplayer claims to support them, but no
[06:46] <avinoam> Video files keep crashing my sesssion!!!!
[06:46] <avinoam> but only certain video files
[06:46] <xabbu> nierkiuz, no
[06:46] <brush> if i turn off firewall, i still get the same thing
[06:46] <raDeon> who called me/
[06:46] <LinuxJones> brush, it's ipv6 selection in firefox type about:config then in the search filter type ipv6 set the valut to true
[06:46] <mulia> Linuxjones, how do I make ipv6 disabled?
[06:46] <nierkiuz> thnx :)
[06:46] <novaflare> with out the drivers working i cant keep linux and that truely sucks
[06:46] <brush> LinuxJones, yeah, that's set to true
[06:47] <brush> LinuxJones, i can go most places, but some don't work
[06:47] <nalioth> novaflare: you are having display trouble?
[06:47] <brush> LinuxJones, and i tried with an XP machine and it can go fine (not thru the fw tho)
[06:47] <LinuxJones> mulia, just double click the line and it will switch to true. then restart firefox
[06:47] <novaflare> no nalioth my display it self is fine
[06:48] <LinuxJones> brush, let me try a site you have a link ?
[06:48] <novaflare> but i have no hard ware 3d ecelaration
[06:48] <brush> LinuxJones, yeah, www.musicbrainz.org
[06:48] <nalioth> novaflare: do you NEED hdwr 3d accel?
[06:48] <novaflare> because i cant get off the mesa3d indirect garbage
[06:48] <novaflare> yeh
[06:48] <dennis__> Can someone here help me setup mp3 support for ubuntu?
[06:48] <novaflare> if i want to even log in to my game i do
[06:48] <LinuxJones> brush, it opens fine for me
[06:48] <brush> LinuxJones, my winXP machine goes there fine, but my ubuntu won't
[06:48] <brush> LinuxJones, yeah, i know, that's why i so stumped
[06:48] <axident> Can someone please help me configure my soundcard for ubuntu?  I have tryed Alsaconf and get 'command not found' I don't know any other ways to get my sound working...  I have an onboard Intel High Definition Audio subsystem using the Realtek ALC860 audio codec.
[06:49] <knewt> nalioth: ah, but i was wanting to play with the apt-build world functionality
[06:49] <brush> LinuxJones, i've check hosts.deny and i've turned off the fw, any other ideas?
[06:49] <deng> hi guys.. anyone can help me with this installing error
[06:49] <deng> :(
[06:49] <deng> im tired to do this again and again
[06:49] <dennis__> bwlang, you there?
[06:49] <digitaltemper> HI i have a sound issue, i can hear system sounds like the beeps and startup but no application will use sound ie: xmms , vlc and the like? how do i fix this?
[06:49] <LinuxJones> brush, dude I am stumped as well :(
[06:49] <novaflare> with out hardware ecelaration on linux theres no point in keeping linux installed
[06:49] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, nvidia?
[06:49] <nalioth> knewt: i had trouble also with apt-build. to save stress, i use the above method
[06:49] <ogami1972> ax- is card in /etc/modules?
[06:49] <brush> LinuxJones, okay, thanks, i'll keep trying
[06:50] <knewt> JDahl: it builds a package fine, but then when it tries to install it pulls the original .deb from the remote server, checks it against the local package information, notices a mismatch, and errors out
[06:50] <LinuxJones> brush, GL :)
[06:50] <deng> 0x0C <--- what this error mean??
[06:50] <novaflare> about 90% of my time on my comp is spent in rubies
[06:50] <axident> ogami1972, not sure I will check...
[06:50] <brush> LinuxJones, GL?
[06:50] <LinuxJones> brush, Good Luck
[06:50] <brush> LinuxJones, oh yeah, thanks
[06:50] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:50] <brush> LinuxJones, sorry, just woke up
[06:50] <LinuxJones> brush, that's ok :)
[06:50] <novaflare> going to try this one more time after removing the xorg drivers
[06:51] <axident> ogami1972, no it is not...
[06:51] <novaflare> strait no gdm install
[06:51] <digitaltemper> HI i have a sound issue, i can hear system sounds like the beeps and startup but no application will use sound ie: xmms , vlc and the like? how do i fix this?
[06:51] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, WHat gfx card do you have nvidia or ati
[06:52] <knewt> nalioth: what would be really nice, is to be able to have the system say "ok, a newer version is available than your local build, so let's grab the source, apply your local patch(es), and then install the resulting .deb(s)", instead of me having to manually do so
[06:52] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, ah ati heh nm
[06:52] <nalioth> knewt: yes, that
[06:52] <nalioth> 'd be great
[06:52] <knewt> nalioth: since i have patches on top of both firefox and libgtk2
[06:53] <ogami1972> ax: ok- someone correct me if i'm wrong, but :
[06:53] <kbrooks> knewt: checkinstall?
[06:53] <ogami1972> sudo nano /etc/modules and add your card to the bnottom of the list
[06:53] <nalioth> kbrooks: knewt wants apt-build to work for him
[06:53] <mulia> LinuxJones, thx 4 your advice, I think I works
[06:53] <kbrooks> nalioth: er, is apt-build in a package?
[06:54] <digitaltemper> Has anybody had trouble getting sound in gnome with an Nforce3 Motherboard?
[06:54] <axident> ogami1972, ok but what do i add to the modules file?  I don't know what modules to load
[06:54] <nalioth> digitaltemper: try one of these http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly  or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:54] <nalioth> kbrooks: apt-build is installable
[06:54] <nalioth> kbrooks: knewt wants to rebuild his 'world'
[06:54] <ogami1972> hmmm- my soundcard is called "emu10k1" by linux- do you know what yours is?
[06:55] <kbrooks> nalioth: mmmmmmmm
[06:55] <axident> ogami1972, I have no clue what linux views my sound card
[06:55] <kbrooks> knewt:
[06:55] <vince_> hi. does anyone know how to prevent the screensaver from starting while playing a movie in vlc? thanx!
[06:55] <kbrooks> axident: er, lspci
[06:55] <novaflare> no diffrence at all still mesa3d indirect
[06:55] <ogami1972> say linux jones! what's that command that shows you all the boot up info in terminal?
[06:56] <Jurku> ogami1972: dmesg
[06:56] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, have you tryed to do the ati drivers directly from the site & install the ati control panel?
[06:56] <Jormundgand> Why won't Flash movies play music? It's the whole hardware nightmare again - how do I change it?
[06:56] <novaflare> ive tried every thing
[06:56] <mulia> LinuxJones, I also have problem when connecting to smtp or pop server with Thunderbird, do u have suggestion for that?
[06:56] <novaflare> all are ending up the same
[06:56] <novaflare> mesa3d indirect render
[06:56] <novaflare> cant get away from it
[06:57] <Amaranth> novaflare: what video card do you have?
[06:57] <sinope> can someone help me with apache?
[06:57] <axident> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03)
[06:57] <ompaul> mulia, having a problem and telling people what is happening that is creating the problem changes what people can do you for :)
[06:57] <novaflare> radeon 9k pro 128 meg agp
[06:57] <Amaranth> novaflare: still trying to get rubies to work?
[06:57] <ogami1972> no, that's just showing me the eth0 activity
[06:57] <Amaranth> novaflare: i'd give up
[06:57] <sinope> if i go to localhost i get my site
[06:57] <novaflare> i give up on it i give up on linux
[06:57] <sinope> but if i go to the hostname i get nothing
[06:57] <axident> kbrooks, that's what lspci shows me
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: you're supposed to
[06:58] <novaflare> no rubies on linux no linux
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: hostname?
[06:58] <Jurku> ogami1972: look at /var/log/dmesg
[06:58] <novaflare> the xorgs did work
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: yes, i have a domain
[06:58] <novaflare> the first time around
[06:58] <novaflare> just not as well
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: it points to my box and all...
[06:58] <ogami1972> did you catch that ax?
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: you setup apache to use the hostname?
[06:58] <novaflare> so i tried the ones from ati
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: worked under slackware
[06:58] <novaflare> but got stuck on mesa3d crap
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: hmm.... i don't think so
[06:58] <novaflare> re did my ubuntu install
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: is there a setup util?
[06:58] <novaflare> tried again same result
[06:58] <novaflare> redid install again
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: or do i get to edit configs :)
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: no, you need to edit the apache2 config file
[06:58] <novaflare> xorgs only
[06:58] <novaflare> same result
[06:58] <axident> ogami1972, yeah i did lcpci but that doesn't tell me what to add to /etc/modules
[06:59] <sinope> okay, no problem
[06:59] <sinope> thanks Amaranth
[06:59] <axident> lspci*
[06:59] <novaflare> its like the drivers sundenly broke from repository
[06:59] <novaflare> and atis site
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, I never ran ati on linux but I do remember that a while back while helping someone that ati injects there driver into the system in a rather odd way
[07:00] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, theres some cleaning methods you could do to take out the driver completely & reinstall have you tryed that
[07:00] <topyli> novaflare: get an old matrox card :)
[07:00] <novaflare> well id think a ubuntu reinstall from scratch would count
[07:00] <digitaltemper> nalioth, that only works for i386 this is a amd64
[07:00] <digitaltemper> There is no libesd-alsa0 for amd64
[07:00] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, that sounds very windowish heh
[07:00] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[07:01] <novaflare> afk a minute
[07:01] <ogami1972> no, i don't see mine in lspci either, but when /var/log/dmesg, i scroll down about 4 pages and the card is listed, followed by the driver
[07:01] <nalioth> digitaltemper: sorry, my ESP isnt working today
[07:01] <Jormundgand> How do I change what hardware is used by Firefox for sound, specifically through Flash movies?
[07:02] <nalioth> digitaltemper: thats all i can offer you atm
[07:02] <ogami1972> PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered
[07:02] <ogami1972> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A]  -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
[07:02] <ogami1972> NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-7174  Tue Mar 22 06$Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.20a, 14:54:32 May 20 2005
[07:02] <axident> ogami1972, ok I will try dmesg
[07:02] <nalioth> digitaltemper: the techniques described worked on my PPC BOX (not x86)
[07:02] <dennis__> Can someone help me setup mp3 support in ubuntu ?
[07:02] <dr_willis> dennis__,  its covered in the wiki pages I do belive.
[07:02] <topyli> dennis__: ubuntuguide.org can
[07:03] <dennis__> I've done the stuff and it still doesn't work
[07:03] <nalioth> dennis__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:03] <digitaltemper> nalioth, i dont know what to do then, theres no suggestions on google either theres posts with the same problem but no answers
[07:03] <dennis__> I installed gstreamer, the mad plugin, added 2 repostitaries too
[07:03] <nalioth> digitaltemper: did you do the ubuntuguide.org thing?
[07:04] <dennis__> And Rythmnbox gives me the error when I try to add mp3s to a playlist.... "There is no plugin installed to handle a mp3.
[07:04] <digitaltemper> nalioth, yes
[07:04] <axident> ogami1972, I don't see my soundcard at all in dmesg
[07:04] <nalioth> digitaltemper: then i'm out of ideas. ubuntuguide worked on my PPC
[07:04] <ogami1972> :~
[07:05] <ompaul> okay someone asked about flash
[07:05] <ogami1972> ax- sorry- you've just left my league- any help anyone?
[07:05] <ompaul> okay someone asked about flash and audio - I just installed flash, no audio, I logged out and back in and it was there
[07:06] <dennis__> nalioth,  I've already used that guide and added the appostitaries and installed the mad plugin
[07:06] <dennis__> And it still won't handle the mp3s
[07:06] <ompaul> restarting sound did not seem to work for me
[07:06] <axident> kbrooks, you have any ideas?
[07:06] <digitaltemper> nalioth, ok thanks anyway
[07:06] <axident> kbrooks, lspci shows me this.... 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03) and dmesg doesn't show my soundcard at all...
[07:06] <nalioth> dennis__: have you installed lame and liblame?
[07:06] <dennis__> No...
[07:07] <axident> kbrooks, I am running a D915GAV Intel Motherboard... the sound is onboard...
[07:07] <dennis__> gstreamer0.8-lame:
[07:07] <dennis__>  Depends: liblame0 (>=3.96.1-1) but it is not installable
[07:07] <ompaul> dennis__, do a search (using synaptic)  in the repositries for mp3 / mpg and add some of the suggested programs
[07:08] <nalioth> dennis__: what hardware are you using?
[07:08] <dennis__> onboard nforce2
[07:11] <nalioth> dennis__: try this "sudo apt-get source -b liblame0"
[07:12] <debian_linux> has anyone heard of a problem of blue verticle bars showing up under the cursor when you drag it around?
[07:12] <dennis__> Nope
[07:12] <IIIEars> debian_linux - help us with some info.
[07:13] <debian_linux> um
[07:13] <dennis__> nalioth, dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <dennis__> sh: gcc: command not found
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386
[07:13] <debian_linux> its an old matrox video card
[07:13] <dennis__> sh: gcc: command not found
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <dennis__> sh: gcc: command not found
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <debian_linux> millennium II i think
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev libncurses5-dev nasm
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
[07:13] <dennis__> Build command 'cd lame-3.96.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
[07:13] <dennis__> E: Child process failed
[07:13] <Chetic> Crap crap crap. I tried installing Ubuntu but Grub gives me error 17 after the reboot.
[07:14] <IIIEars> dennis__ - Aggh! Flood! run for the hills! - or use pastebin.com or the #flood channel for logs/system info. please.
[07:14] <dennis__> lol
[07:14] <dennis__> Okay
[07:14] <ogami1972b> i had that problem to- install expert and choose lilo instead
[07:14] <wizzard> pls, what should I do to fix the fonts in KDE? every time I start KDE, the fonts are tiny, after running gnome control center, they change to big...
[07:15] <hikaru79> Does anyone know how to get Japanese characters under TeTeX?
[07:15] <ompaul> dennis__, it is not good manners to do that
[07:15] <Chetic> ogami1972b, where do I choose expert? (and I'm not an expert btw :p)
[07:15] <ompaul> dennis__, please use pastebin.com
[07:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: ompaul i've taken him away
[07:15] <ompaul> nalioth, :)
[07:16] <IIIEars> NP - if he is new to IRC - would hate to offend a new user.
[07:16] <dennis__> I'm not new, just lazy and I didn't think :P
[07:16] <kbrooks> axident: lol
[07:16] <dennis__> Sorry about that
[07:16] <Chetic> Seriously, I wouldn't mind some help here. I can't use my computer!
[07:16] <ompaul> there is that, but the 'lol's are killing me :)
[07:16] <kbrooks> er
[07:16] <kbrooks> axident: ignore that.
[07:17] <axident> ogami1972b, ok can you help me configure lilo to boot windows?  I have windows installed on the same harddisk (different partition) and when I installed Ubuntu I chose lilo cause Grub doesn't want to work right... but now I can't get into my windows partition... how do I configure lilo to give me the choice to choose windows or linux?
[07:17] <JDahl> ompaul, I also miss the Debian bot to crack down on misbehaviour like that :P
[07:17] <axident> kbrooks, ignore which one? lol
[07:18] <ompaul> Chetic, you were given a lilo suggestion, I have another version of it, install server by typing server at the command line at the start and then log in and use use the command `apt-get ubuntu-desktop`
[07:18] <kbrooks> axident:
[07:18] <ompaul> Chetic, and that was not obvious it is as you do a resintall
[07:18] <kbrooks> 'axident: lol'
[07:18] <topyli> Chetic: press F1 (or was it F2?) when booting with the install disk. you'll see the boot options
[07:18] <axident> kbrooks, I would like to get my sound working if possible... windows can wait
[07:19] <kbrooks> axident: uh
[07:19] <apollo2011> How do I get the apache server working on ubuntu? I installed it but nothing I put in /var/www will load except what is in the apache-default dir.
[07:19] <Chetic> ompaul, ok let me go try it then, thanks!
[07:19] <kbrooks> axident: lspci and dmesg
[07:19] <JDahl> apollo2011, regular HTML pages even?
[07:19] <kbrooks> axident: lspci to find the card
[07:19] <axident> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03) lspci gives me this... and dmesg doesn't show my soundcard anywhere...
[07:20] <ompaul> JDahl, perhaps you do  (/me scrapes around for the 2*4 but for whom) who told you to stick your tounge at me :)
[07:20] <ogami1972b> nah, we've been thru this k
[07:20] <kbrooks> axident: hmmm
[07:20] <kbrooks> ogami1972b: me?
[07:20] <apollo2011> JDahl: Yep I added an html page and it won't load.  It says it can't find it and tries to download a blank file
[07:20] <ogami1972b> yeah- i'm waiting to find the answer to this as well
[07:20] <axident> oh... lol...
[07:21] <ogami1972b> ?
[07:22] <eks> ++
[07:22] <JDahl> ompaul, I am not sure what that meant...
[07:23] <ksmurf> has anyone had any luck istalling the wacom drivers?
[07:23] <hramrach> Is it normal that base-config never finishes?
[07:23] <ompaul> JDahl, I was playing about with the concept of the bot a lart and who did what, it was funny if you were me :)
[07:23] <axident> ok then ogami1972b could you help me with lilo?
[07:23] <hramrach> It is spawned on the first console by init.
[07:24] <dennis__> nalioth, is it suppose to take this long?
[07:24] <hramrach> And at the end it starts a root shell.
[07:24] <kbrooks> brb.
[07:24] <hramrach> When I configured X it is no longer visible but it is still there.
[07:24] <yahalom> how do i creat a gpg key?
[07:25] <kbrooks> yahalom: use kgpg. apt-get install kgpg
[07:25] <yahalom> kbrooks, that is a kde app?
[07:25] <ogami1972b> ax- what is in /etc/modules?
[07:25] <kbrooks> yahalom: gpg is there too.
[07:25] <david__> hey
[07:25] <dr_willis> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2000/5/1/17058/47630 Gnu Privacy Guard tutorial, part 1
[07:25] <david__> i'm trying to run a .run file to install chipset drivers, but it keeps trying to open it in gedit
[07:25] <kbrooks> yahalom: yes, but it works with gnome
[07:25] <david__> does anyoen know hwo to make it run without gedit?
[07:25] <hramrach> or gpg --gen-key
[07:25] <dr_willis> use the SHELL  :P
[07:26] <axident> ogami1972b, my harddrives/cdrom/mouse
[07:26] <kbrooks> yahalom: the kde libs and thats it
[07:26] <axident> ogami1972b, I think that's it..
[07:26] <dr_willis> not the clicky stuff  david__  :P
[07:26] <david__> dr_willis, wha?
[07:26] <kbrooks> dr_willis: no.
[07:26] <kbrooks> dont.
[07:26] <yahalom> kbrooks, well that is the way i created it last time :)
[07:26] <yahalom> kbrooks, thanx man
[07:26] <kbrooks> david__: he thinks GUIs are bad
[07:27] <dr_willis> you normally  "sh whatever.run"
[07:27] <david__> kbrooks, it does the same thing in terminal
[07:27] <nalioth> david__: use the terminal
[07:27] <nalioth> kbrooks: GUIs are BAD
[07:27] <david__> dr_willis, yep, i'm doing "sudo sh /directory/file.run
[07:27] <david__> and it still opens it in gedit
[07:27] <cadaver> gui's rule
[07:27] <yahalom> nalioth, why?
[07:27] <nalioth> kbrooks: the terminal will be there, after X takes off and goes home
[07:27] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:28] <cadaver> infact.. every OS consists of hundreds of gui's
[07:28] <topyli> it's nice to have rhythmbox back in the menu. now gedit is gone though :)
[07:28] <topyli> my menu is disintegrating
[07:28] <hramrach> you can always run the applicatins from terminal
[07:29] <cadaver> even a simple command as ping has a gui
[07:29] <spanglesontoast> nova you there?
[07:29] <cadaver> (textbased... but still if you look deep down.. it IS a gui
[07:29] <cadaver> )
[07:29] <ksmurf> how do u list serial devices?
[07:29] <ivoks> serial?
[07:30] <tron> quien me lee?
[07:30] <hramrach> a
[07:30] <hramrach> bah
[07:31] <random_> ok. my sound hasn't been working. went to a site and it said for my soundcard to get the newest alsa drivers. i dl'd the driver but i'm new to ubuntu and dont know where to go from here can someone walk me through it?
[07:31] <david__> hey nvm
[07:31] <david__> ] i jsut did it again and for some reason it works
[07:31] <kbrooks> random_: erm
[07:32] <ompaul> ksmurf, cat /proc/tty/driver/serial may be what you want
[07:32] <kbrooks> random_: is this driver a .deb?
[07:32] <ksmurf> tnx
[07:32] <spanglesontoast> I sorted my firewall out
[07:32] <ompaul> ksmurf, the ones you want are most likely 0 and 1
[07:33] <dReadMoRe> can i write to ntfs partitions securely?
[07:33] <david__> ug
[07:33] <david__> now it's bitching about no kernal interface
[07:33] <ksmurf> tnx ompaul... I'm trying to get my wacom pad going
[07:34] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: you take the risks of destroying the partition envelope
[07:34] <teebones> NTFS write support is not that good
[07:34] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: however if you use the method you sent me earlier, let us know the results
[07:34] <teebones> better don't use
[07:34] <ompaul> ksmurf, no idea what that is
[07:35] <dReadMoRe> nalioth, i dont wanna take the risks :P
[07:35] <ksmurf> ompaul: A pen Tablet
[07:35] <ompaul> ksmurf, ahh
[07:36] <ogami1972b> ok ax- plz keep in mind i am a newbie too- but i think you should add "intel8x0" to the bottom of /etc/modules
[07:37] <ogami1972b> i hunted and huted for the name of the card "google "sound, ich6"
[07:40] <axident> ogami1972b,
[07:40] <axident> ogami1972b, ok I will try that ...
[07:40] <Proteque> hey. I have some installationproblems with 5.04. it stops at Setting up primary installation repository.
[07:40] <Proteque> and doesnt move on
[07:40] <Proteque> been there for about 5 mins now
[07:40] <ogami1972b> good luck to you ax- i'm gonna go play bzflag
[07:41] <IIIEars> Proteque - it is checking for the network address.
[07:41] <Proteque> is it normal to take such a long time?
[07:42] <IIIEars> uProteque - erm - no not if it is connected to the net.
[07:42] <Proteque> it did get ip from the dhcp and have access to the net.
[07:43] <wawa> Hi everyone
[07:43] <MaTt|aS> (My Englisch is not good) How can i Mount a shared mapp from another computer? In Suse i write: mount -o password="XxX" //192.168.x.x/"shared" /windows/share . But this dosent work in ubunto. Can somone help me?
[07:44] <IIIEars> ubuntuguide.org has an excellent walk through for samba
[07:44] <nalioth> MaTt|aS: NFS or SAMBA ?
[07:44] <zenrox> MaTt|aS,  try sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=xxx //ip.here/shared /windows/shared
[07:45] <Proteque> could it be trying to access a mirror which is down?
[07:45] <Proteque> and shouldnt it timeout any time soon?
[07:45] <nalioth> MaTt|aS: never mind
[07:45] <dReadMoRe> why i only ear the sound in 2 colums? i have a 5.1 system...how can i change this?
[07:45] <IIIEars> Proteque - i am too new to know. - sorry. anyone know?
[07:46] <david__> hey
[07:46] <david__> does anyone know why i have a 386 module and a k7 module, and which i should use?
[07:47] <MaTt|aS> ok, thanx, i shuld try :)
[07:47] <Proteque> the installcd really should have ping :(
[07:48] <geetergod> what chat should i go to to get help with my sound?
[07:48] <zenrox> geetergod,  right here if is ubuntu
[07:48] <Proteque> it is frustrating when things just stop without any errormsg and no tools for finding the fault.
[07:48] <geetergod> zenrox, I got new speakers that require a 5.1 card, where do i check to see what sound card i have?
[07:48] <zenrox> geetergod,  look in the forums for your sound card
[07:49] <geetergod> zenrox, I need to find out what card i have
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> root@infant-finite:~ # glxgears
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev,
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[07:49] <zenrox> geetergod,  look in your mobo and/or hardware(something
[07:49] <geetergod> zenrox, just wondering why my surround speakers and center speaker wont work
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> glibc is screwed up?
[07:49] <nalioth> Proteque: there are some slow mirrors today
[07:50] <zenrox> geetergod,  gots to enable it in the volume controle
[07:50] <Proteque> nalioth: okay.
[07:50] <Proteque> nalioth: but what about timeout?
[07:50] <usual> during hoary install, on a laptop. I have a wireless card that uses WPA, but install only accepts WEP how do i setup my card
[07:50] <Proteque> should be a bit lower and move on to the next
[07:50] <geetergod> Volume Control like gmix?
[07:50] <lsuactiafner> alsamixer
[07:50] <zenrox> geetergod,  yes
[07:50] <lsuactiafner> aumix
[07:50] <zenrox> any one of thoes
[07:51] <geetergod> everythings turned up there
[07:51] <nalioth> Proteque: now thats a good question
[07:51] <zenrox> geetergod,  you check switches
[07:51] <zenrox> might have to enable the surround
[07:51] <geetergod> switches?
[07:51] <zenrox> etc..
[07:51] <zenrox> ya a switches tab
[07:51] <Seveas> usual, you cannot do that during the install unfortunately
[07:52] <Seveas> there is a WPAhowto on the wiki
[07:52] <usual> ok
[07:52] <lsuactiafner> am going to have to bash glibc maintainer
[07:52] <lsuactiafner> or someone
[07:52] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, you have a wrong glibc
[07:52] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, you have a wrong glxgears i mean
[07:53] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, glibc in hoary is only 2.3.2, not 2.3.3
[07:53] <muixa> Hi there.   I had a few questions I'd like to ask about Ubuntu
[07:53] <rnasklaved> what program burns .bin images on dvd?
[07:53] <Seveas> so you have installed glxgears from a non-ubuntu source, which is a bad idea
[07:53] <MaTt|aS> Now it works, thanx alot :)
[07:53] <muixa> cdrdao
[07:53] <lsuactiafner> glxgears works with the previous NVIDIA driver
[07:53] <IIIEars> Forcibly UMOUNT a CD?
[07:53] <Seveas> IIIEars, umount -f?
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> also, GLX doesnt load properly i think, glxinfo is screwed also
[07:54] <IIIEars> (grabs a screwdriver and two tubes of greease)
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> i think its glibc?
[07:54] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, no
[07:54] <nova> bah still not working :
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : so how do i fix this?
[07:54] <Seveas> you have installed glx stuff from non-ubuntu sources
[07:54] <nalioth> rnasklaved: use bchunk (long name binchunker) to convert to iso (if you have cue/bin)
[07:54] <IIIEars> uSeveas - Device busy!!!???
[07:54] <Seveas> install the official versions
[07:54] <moman> Greetings all.....   Can anyone tell me where I can find good dvd ripper for linux ?    I run apt-get install dvdrip  .. Nothing came up
[07:54] <muixa> First, it seems the tracker for the Ubuntu ISOs is down
[07:54] <Seveas> IIIEars, lsof | grep /mount/point/of/cd
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i installed from nvidia
[07:54] <rnasklaved> nalioth - Thanx!
[07:54] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, why?
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> the ubuntu sources screwed my glx up before
[07:55] <muixa> i was trying to download the AMD64 live/INstall DVD
[07:55] <muixa> anyone know what's up with that?
[07:55] <Seveas> then file a bug instead of installing random stuff
[07:55] <Seveas> muixa, read the topic..
[07:55] <jeroen_> muixa, yes it's down; see topic
[07:55] <voth> when are we expecting to see 2.6.11
[07:56] <Seveas> voth, in hoary: it's in universe (so unsupported) in breezy: already there iirc
[07:56] <Chetic> Is it possible to install lilo without using expert mode?
[07:56] <nova> has any one here got the drivers from ati working on ubuntu ?
[07:56] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i dont see hy ubuntu doesnt use the default nvidia drivers.. there is not need for ppl to redo what nvidia has done already
[07:56] <Seveas> Chetic, yes, you can install it afterwards
[07:56] <muixa> Jeroen, thanks -- didn't see it there at the end; too much info for my silly little client to display.
[07:56] <Chetic> Seveas, how?
[07:56] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, ubuntu does use nvidia drivers
[07:56] <IIIEars> Wow busy cursor - gotta get more tools - grin (rummages in canvas bag for a blowtorch)
[07:56] <nova> that would be willing to try and install them on my system useing a ssh shell?
[07:56] <Seveas> Chetic, apt-get install lilo
[07:56] <Seveas> :)
[07:56] <Chetic> Seveas, Problem is.. I can't boot any operating system
[07:57] <jeroen_> Chetic, livecd
[07:57] <lsuactiafner> yeh but why do they have nvidia-glx?
[07:57] <Chetic> But no, It'll take another 12 hours to download the livecd!
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[07:57] <nova> at this point im about to just give up on ubuntu and linux out right. I cant even get the damn xorg drivers from the repository woking
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <muixa> The 2nd question i have then:   Does the AMD64 port have WORKING 32bit emulation?    Any way to only copy missing files?
[07:59] <Chetic> ksmurf, I'm afraid so :\
[08:00] <thenuke> does the server automagically K-line those?
[08:00] <kbrooks> random_:
[08:00] <kbrooks> fire away
[08:00] <IIIEars>  /ignore *!*84.rev.gaoland.net* all
[08:00] <random_> is there a reason i would not be able to open alsamixer?
[08:00] <alindeman> thenuke: Nah, I did
[08:00] <ksmurf> Chet pm me
[08:00] <kbrooks> thenuke: no
[08:00] <Seveas> Chetic, i'm afraid not
[08:00] <ivoks> k-lined :)
[08:00] <kbrooks> dimeo: ummm
[08:00] <nalioth> dimeo: rsync?
[08:00] <dimeo> I'd hate to have to start over
[08:01] <nalioth> dimeo: wget?
[08:01] <ubuntu> first try of the ubuntu live dvd
[08:01] <bluefoxicy> there's no dvorak right hand keymap in X
[08:01] <muixa> Okay, let's try that again -- Ubuntu has the same issues as Deb then?   IE, you need a chroot in order to use 32bit binaries.
[08:01] <dimeo> any gui utilities?
[08:01] <Jormundgand> At least we know he's a smart floodeur. ;)
[08:01] <mjr> muixa, basically, unless you build using the lib32 libs
[08:01] <lsuactiafner> muixa : no you dont need to chroot
[08:01] <nalioth> dimeo: not sure, i'm a heavy terminal (ab)user
[08:01] <amphore> floodeur sound french :)
[08:02] <lsuactiafner> muixa : it emulates it transparently
[08:02] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner - Nice tip. Ignore an ip range. - Thank You.
[08:02] <mjr> muixa, openoffice.org is pre-kludged to work with that
[08:02] <lsuactiafner> muixa : i just like to use my slackware chroot sometimes
[08:02] <ubuntu> it seems to be good on my VAIO TR1MP
[08:02] <kbrooks> chroots........rule.
[08:02] <kbrooks> lol.
[08:02] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : can you please explain to me how to fix my glx problem with the new drivers?
[08:02] <kbrooks> are chroots good?
[08:02] <ubuntu> but no connection with the embedded 802.11 centrino
[08:03] <muixa> lsuactiafner, So, for example, realplayer will work out of the box?
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> as long as your kernel supports emul32 you are set
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> muixa : chances are yes
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> i never had problems with 32bit binaries
[08:03] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  What laptop are you using?
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> tho i do have a custum kernel
[08:03] <ubuntu> it is a sony TR1MP
[08:04] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, if you install custom kernels/drivers, you need tog give *much* more info before anyone can help you
[08:04] <IIIEars> You guys are great Ubuntu is the best! - Thanks guys. :)
[08:04] <dos000> is there a way i can tell which pool (universe,main,etc) a package is coming from via apt-cache or something ?
[08:04] <Seveas> dos000, apt-cache show can tell you
[08:04] <mjr> dos000, apt-cache policy package
[08:04] <ksmurf> anyone have any advice for the wacom drivers?
[08:04] <kanuha> Are the instructions at ubuntuguide.org outdated? For instance,  the instructions to get java, flash, acroread and azureus don't work..
[08:05] <muixa> lsuactiafner, for example, i want to be able to use a 32bit mplayer too -- does that "just work"?
[08:05] <dos000> Seveas, show does not tell
[08:05] <Seveas> dos000, it does :)
[08:05] <Seveas> look at the filename ;)
[08:05] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  There's a laptop database somewhere in the ubuntu wiki
[08:05] <ksmurf> kanuha did u add the repositories?
[08:05] <kanuha> ksmurf: yes
[08:06] <ksmurf> and the backports?
[08:06] <nalioth> kanuha: imho ubuntuguide.org is to be taken lightly
[08:06] <hondje> Hi.  I want to use Alex Hudson's Hula repos, but I can't figure out what to put for Pin:
[08:06] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is not the best...
[08:06] <SeamusLP> ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsSony
[08:06] <nalioth> kanuha: try the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[08:06] <Chislon> hi
[08:06] <hondje> the repo is deb http://www.eurobob.eclipse.co.uk/hula debs/, so in preferences would I put Pin: a=debs ?
[08:07] <Chislon> my computer is set up with only a windows partition right now, is there a free program that can set up the swap partition and boot adn a partition for ubuntu? do i need a swap partition?
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : Linux infant-finite <IP_ADDRESS> #1 Fri Jun 3 22:25:23 SAST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7664-pkg2.run, from offical nvidia
[08:07] <ubuntu> many thanks. I just boot on the cd and send two messages, and I receive help !
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> what more info do you need?
[08:07] <muixa> Given a 64bit AMD64 install; would i be able to simply apt-get install a 32bit version of mplayer -- maybe even the one from my fav debian source?
[08:07] <wawa> When I watch video in fullscreen mode the picture is blurred but its fine when in normal mode...can anyone help me
[08:07] <kanuha> The instructions worked perfect for me before. Just put together a 64 bit PC and installed fresh.
[08:07] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, ah
[08:07] <dos000> Seveas, pray tell where in the show listing i am supposed to look. policy is very clear to figure tho.
[08:07] <ompaul> Chislon, you do if you want effective useage
[08:07] <Seveas> 2.6.11
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> muixa : there aint a static mplayer32 binary
[08:07] <Jormundgand> Testing.
[08:07] <Seveas> 2.6.11 is not supported and has no official ubuntu nvidia drivers
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> i had to cross-compile one myself
[08:07] <delire> nova: how did it all go with the fglrx stuff..
[08:08] <amphore> Chislon: google for Partition Logic
[08:08] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, so you're on your own then...
[08:08] <amphore> it is free
[08:08] <Chislon> ompaul, ok thank you
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> so unless you do the same then you cant play codecs that havent been ported
[08:08] <Chislon> amphore, ok thank you
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> i made a binary if you want it
[08:08] <karljp> fucking kernel oops
[08:08] <karljp> drivers suck :(
[08:08] <ubuntu> what about bluetooth synchronization ? (t seems that the device is recognized)
[08:08] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : the previous driver works with this kernel.
[08:09] <ompaul> Chislon, start with the live CD and see if you like what you see after that get a second hardrive or just do without windows and get into the groove, it is just sweet, you can partition the disk into two sections, there are tools for that and before you use them you should defrag that other other operating system
[08:09] <Jormundgand> Who should I complain to about ide-cd being broken for CyberDrive CD-RWs?
[08:09] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : just becuase my setup didnt come with apt-get doesnt mean it shouldnt work like it should
[08:09] <hondje> Anyone good with /etc/apt/preferences ?
[08:09] <TINY_LINUX> HELLO SOMBODY CAN HELP ME TO CONFIGURE MY EXTERNAL MODEM
[08:09] <muixa> lsuactiafner, I don't think static is required... I don't think i'm making myself clear.
[08:09] <lsuactiafner> TINY_LINUX : dont speak in caps
[08:09] <Seveas> TINY_LINUX, please do not use caps
[08:09] <delire> "that other operating system". i've heard rumours of another.
[08:09] <dos000> anyone tell me why my kernel is stuck to 2.6.8 while 2.6.10 is available ? i am using hoary with the universe commented.
[08:09] <Chislon> ompaul, i used the live cd, but im not ready to get rid of windows
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> muixa : static is required for mplayer
[08:10] <Seveas> dos000, you have main uncommented?
[08:10] <kbrooks> Chislon: why?
[08:10] <bluefoxicy> HELLO TINY_LINUX.  YAHOO IS PROBABLY A BETTER PLACE FOR YOU.
[08:10] <_kevin> how do i login as root or give my account root privlages?
[08:10] <ubuntu> bye
[08:10] <ompaul> Chislon, have you much spare space?
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> everything else worked tho
[08:10] <dos000> Seveas, yes
[08:10] <TINY_LINUX> excuse me please i need configure my external modem
[08:10] <Seveas> _kevin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> _kevin : su
[08:10] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy: DROP THE  CAPS OR ELSE
[08:10] <Chislon> kbrooks, because im not ready to get rid of windows :)
[08:10] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, no
[08:10] <perper> does anyone here have any experience with running beagle on hoary?
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> or type root @ a login prompt
[08:10] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: s/su/sudo/
[08:10] <Chislon> ompaul, 40 gigs
[08:10] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, there is sudo in default ubuntu
[08:10] <mjr> muixa, I'll just state once more that you can't do what you want
[08:10] <kbrooks> s/root/sudo -s/
[08:10] <Amaranth> Seveas: next time ping me
[08:10] <delire> hehe
[08:10] <muixa> lsuactiafner, why is static required?
[08:10] <Seveas> Amaranth, didn't know you were there
[08:10] <ompaul> now is that completely spare or is it just the bit of the disk that is not in use?
[08:10] <wawa> You can install both then
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> muixa : without static you cant run 32bit codecs
[08:11] <bluefoxicy> kyle has joined the dark side
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> just trust me on it
[08:11] <TINY_LINUX> somebosy can tell me how can install my external modem
[08:11] <TINY_LINUX> pleaee
[08:11] <dos000> Seveas, i upgraded via the debian sarge installer mybe that could be it !
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> TINY_LINUX : i used wvdial
[08:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: i'm always here ;)
[08:11] <signius> muixa: what are you trying to do ?
[08:11] <kbrooks> TINY_LINUX:
[08:11] <Seveas> TINY_LINUX, if someone can help you, (s)he will tell. And please give more info...
[08:11] <ompaul> TINY_LINUX, when busy people are finished helping otherpeople they may get a chance to help you
[08:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol ;)
[08:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: /cs access #ubuntu list too
[08:11] <kbrooks> TINY_LINUX: info pls
[08:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, i know
[08:12] <muixa> mjr, okay, i saw something scroll by before that seemed to answer my question, though not the way I had hoped.   With all that SPAM i missed it.
[08:12] <Seveas> dos000, can you paste your sources.list somewhere please
[08:12] <TINY_LINUX> hey lsuactiafner, i have to install that package
[08:12] <muixa> signius, I want an AMD64  Linux that isn't FC with proper 32bit emulation
[08:12] <dos000> Seveas, in fact i did a debian installer (hoary would not allow me to install raid1) and did dist-upgrade.
[08:12] <wawa> When I watch video in fullscreen mode the picture is blurred but its fine when in normal mode...am I missing some settings?
[08:12] <dos000> Seveas, one sec .. ill pastebin it
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> muixa : ubuntu is very very good @ emulation
[08:13] <kbrooks> dougsk: not supported
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> thats one thing ubuntu can give themselves credit for
[08:13] <kbrooks> dos000: *
[08:13] <Seveas> dos000, that *should* work if your debian install wasn't too new
[08:13] <hondje> wawa: what are you using to watch the videos?
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> i run a 32bit firefox with no problems..
[08:13] <signius> When you have sudo su and have finished whatyou need to do as su how can you get back to a normal user without closing the temrinal down and restarting it ?
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[08:13] <hondje> signius: exit
[08:13] <Seveas> or type exit
[08:13] <vpalle> any kind of gui for starting/stopping daemons in hoary?
[08:13] <Seveas> or logout
[08:13] <hondje> logout too
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> it seems like you need to upgrade your glibc version which is not really
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> trivial.. nvidia is invistigating it and maybe they'll release a new driver
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> with the appropriate bug fixes..
[08:13] <Chislon> ompaul what do you mean, whats the diference between it being spare or disk thats not in use?  there is nothing on it,i probably wont use all of it for ubuntu to leave some space for windows...
[08:13] <hondje> Seveas: :)
[08:13] <signius> AH
[08:14] <signius> so simple
[08:14] <signius> thanks
[08:14] <wawa> hondje: I tried VLC and Totem
[08:14] <dos000> Seveas, it did not install ubunut-kering for sure.
[08:14] <hondje> wawa: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[08:14] <Chislon> ompaul, i want windows for games, but this being my laptop cant run many games on it anyways, but dont want to get rid of windows yet if i ever do..
[08:14] <dos000> Seveas, i did it manually which was weird
[08:14] <Seveas> dos000, do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:14] <hondje> though the fact it did vlc and another is something
[08:14] <ompaul> Chislon, I asked you is that completely spare or is it just a bit of disk that is not in use?
[08:14] <Seveas> it's the main ubuntu metapackage
[08:14] <dos000> Seveas, no .. its a server install
[08:14] <Seveas> dos000, ubuntu-base then
[08:14] <wawa> hondje: The one which comes pre-isntalled
[08:15] <ompaul> Chislon, okay that answers the questions :)
[08:15] <Seveas> dos000, are you on intel or amd?
[08:15] <hondje> wawa: okay, gstreamer.  It shouldn't be doing it with both though, I don't know why it'd be doing that.
[08:15] <Chislon> ompaul, ok :)
[08:15] <ompaul> Chislon,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[08:15] <ompaul> Chislon, that will help you some
[08:16] <delire> ompaul: how is ubuntu for ntfs resizing these days?
[08:16] <Seveas> ntfsresize is ok
[08:16] <dos000> Seveas, i am on intel .. but i hope it does not make a difference as i am fine with the kernel bein 386
[08:16] <tranber> other users on sony vaio TR1MP ?
[08:16] <signius> why does this irc room show people IP address as they enter
[08:16] <Chislon> ompaul, thank you
[08:16] <delire> Seveas is it safe?
[08:16] <wawa> hondje: Am gona try installing MPlayer and see
[08:16] <signius> isnt that a really bad idea ?
[08:16] <dos000> Seveas, my apt sources http://pastebin.ca/13437
[08:16] <muixa> OKay, I risk sounding thick here, but I still don't think I understand were the multi-arch support stands in Ubuntu
[08:16] <Seveas> dos000, install linux-386 then (linux-686 for intel specific)
[08:16] <ompaul> Delire it is documented there
[08:16] <GammaRay> I noticed hoary ships w/ mkfs.reiser4. Does the setup program use version 4?
[08:17] <ompaul> delire, I have not willingly run windows in over 10 years, but you might have guessed that from yesterdays conversation :)
[08:17] <muixa> is there a summery of the implementation someplace?
[08:17] <Seveas> dos000, sources.list is ok, you really should install ubuntu-base
[08:17] <delire> ompaul: i know little about windows or the nt filesystem. i however know of many that have screwed their win32 partition with various ntfs resizing tools.
[08:17] <delire> ompaul: ;)
[08:17] <cusco> hi
[08:17] <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~/armagetronad$ sudo apt-get install libpng
[08:17] <cusco> Reading package lists... Done
[08:17] <cusco> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:17] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:17] <Seveas> dos000, sources.list is ok, you really should install ubuntu-base AND linux-386 (kernel+restricted modules)
[08:17] <Seveas> cusco, DO NOT paste in here
[08:17] <cusco> sory :(
[08:17] <cusco> won0't happen again
[08:17] <cusco> how do I fix the armagetronad package?
[08:17] <kalias> Hi, first time user to ubuntu.
[08:18] <signius> I am getting an erorr when i try to do apt-get update
[08:18] <ompaul> delire, ah ha, so Chislon maybe you can have a look at having someone give you  a hand - and before you do go playing with the disk back up your backups :)
[08:18] <uniq> signius: what error?
[08:18] <GammaRay> pasteing is just fine. flooding is not
[08:18] <delire> Chislon: wise
[08:18] <Seveas> signius, what is the error
[08:18] <signius> Err http://security .ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[08:18] <dos000> Seveas, ubuntu base is borking i pasted the error at http://pastebin.ca/13438
[08:18] <GammaRay> that was about the limit of what isn't a flood imho
[08:18] <kalias> Is there a channel the newbies should subscribe to?
[08:19] <Seveas> kalias, this channel is fine :)
[08:19] <ompaul> Chislon, but tbh I would rather people make the jump and get on with the short but fun learning curve
[08:19] <kalias> thank you :)
[08:19] <dimeo> whats the best gui for backups?
[08:19] <signius> Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[08:19] <Seveas> dos000, yeah, your debian glibc is newer than the ubuntu one
[08:19] <delire> kalias alot of people are experimenting and exploring in here, but all the technical rhetoric shouldn't put you off. this is for newbies also.
[08:19] <hondje> dimeo: I don'tk now if there is one
[08:19] <ompaul> Chislon, that was for delire :-/
[08:19] <_kevin> i try to open system monitor or terminal and it it dosn't open
[08:19] <Seveas> dos000, so you have a problem there :)
[08:19] <Chislon> ompaul, delire ok thank you
[08:19] <ulas_> hi
[08:20] <signius> i get the same error also for Release & archive
[08:20] <yahalom> how can i check what gcc version is running?
[08:20] <ompaul> Chislon, back ups
[08:20] <ulas_> anyone on breezy here ?
[08:20] <uniq> yahalom: gcc -v
[08:20] <Seveas> dos000, installing just linux-386 will install the correct kernel though
[08:20] <GammaRay> yahalom: gcc -v
[08:20] <delire> yahalom: gcc -v
[08:20] <kalias> okay, thanks.  I have just switched from gentoo to ubuntu so I have some questions also.
[08:20] <Seveas> yahalom, gcc -V
[08:20] <_kevin> same goes for all other applications
[08:20] <ksmurf> ...you need only to configure and build the code...   That is like telling me I only nedd 1000000 but by 3pm ....
[08:20] <wawa> Back up your system before trying resizing, I did resize my ntfs partition and the first time it worked like cham but the second time it screwed up
[08:20] <yahalom> uniq, GammaRay delire Seveas thanx :)
[08:20] <_kevin> i goto the aplication tab and try to open stuff and nothing opens
[08:21] <dimeo> wawa what's the easiest noob backup method?
[08:21] <ulas_> is there a way to fix breexzy Xorg problems ?
[08:21] <holo> hi
[08:21] <jeroen_> dimeo, just copy your files
[08:21] <GammaRay> -V? pshaw
[08:21] <kalias> delire:  Could you point me to some documentation that tells how to install other applications?  I would like to install samba and amule.
[08:21] <signius> _kevin: I had that happe with the old ubuntu live cd
[08:21] <yahalom> i installed gcc 4.0 without removing 3.0 shouldnt 4.0 show up?
[08:21] <Seveas> ulas_, read the topic...
[08:21] <wawa> dimeo: For windows system?
[08:21] <delire> yahalom: note ls -l /usr/bin/gcc reveals a symlink to a discrete version of gcc at the same level.
[08:21] <signius> _kevin: i downloaded the latest version and it didnt do it then
[08:21] <_kevin> I'm on Hoary 5.04
[08:21] <delire> kalias: i'm not sure of documentation on that, though i'm sure there is alot. i can help though
[08:22] <dos000> Seveas, is there any installer out there that does raid1 an would nicely allow me to do dist-upgrade to ubuntu-base ?
[08:22] <signius> ah
[08:22] <dimeo> jeroen_ I started a 6G copy but it stopped halfway.. how do I get it to copy the files and subdir still missing?
[08:22] <jeroen_> kalias, you use apt-get or some gui for it (synaptic)
[08:22] <Seveas> dos000, ENOIDEA
[08:22] <ulas_> Seveas: good one!
[08:22] <yahalom> delire, do i need to remove an earlier version to install a newer one? cos it wants to remove a whole bunch of apps
[08:22] <_kevin> this is weird, I can only access the programs already openm
[08:22] <_kevin> open*
[08:22] <signius> _kevin: Does it happen after you have configued a wireless card ?
[08:22] <ompaul> delire at one stage the desktop was booting Fbsd and 3 flavours of linux - a couple of generations before this box
[08:22] <_kevin> no
[08:22] <cusco> hi
[08:22] <cusco> look..
[08:22] <dimeo> alt ctrl backspace to restart gnome
[08:22] <signius> ok its not the same problem i had then
[08:22] <jeroen_> dimeo, can't you just copy the files again and choose to not overwrite already existing files?
[08:22] <_kevin> well the last thig i remember doing before i noticed it
[08:22] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:22] <_kevin> was i was tryin to complie a program
[08:23] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:23] <_kevin> and it gave me an error
[08:23] <signius> i got round the issue my manually configuring the card via command line
[08:23] <dimeo> hey _kevin ... try that
[08:23] <jeroen_> dimeo, that restarts X
[08:23] <kalias> So I open the root terminal an use apt-get.  Do I need to compile the app once I get it or does get - apt do everything?  I am used to the emerge funciton on gentoo.
[08:23] <signius> but if i used the gui tool it crashed everyithing similar to how your desrcibing
[08:23] <cusco> I get this error in synaptic and in apt
[08:23] <dimeo> might help _kevin
[08:23] <_kevin> try what?
[08:23] <_kevin> ...
[08:23] <dimeo> restarting x
[08:23] <dos000> Seveas, you think there could be conflicts .. i would hate to worry for nothing !
[08:23] <jeroen_> kalias, it works
[08:23] <Seveas> kalias, apt downloads pre-compiled packages
[08:23] <_kevin> how do i do that
[08:23] <signius> Can anyone help with this gpg problem with apt updates ?
[08:23] <_kevin> without access to anything
[08:23] <delire> kalias: 1) your ubuntu system uses a package manager called 'dpkg'(de-package). a frontend to this package manager is 'apt' (from 'aptitude'). apt grabs pacakges from package servers called 'repositories', of which there are thousands around the world.
[08:23] <_kevin> except X-chat and THunderbird mail
[08:24] <Seveas> dos000, well, you have a non-ubuntu glibc now. It has been reported to work, but i have no personal experience with it
[08:24] <kalias> oh, I see.  Will it also setup the directory structure?
[08:24] <dimeo> jeroen_ but if I recopy, then everytime hits an already existing file, it stops and asks me... also I think it leaves directories alone even if they are missing the subdir
[08:24] <delire> kalias: .. apt gets these packages and tells dpkg to install them for you automatically. however you have to tell it what to install.
[08:24] <jeroen_> dimeo, not sure then
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> i got 500mb of extra packages
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> mostly deps so i can compile things
[08:25] <hondje> lsuactiafner: sell 'em on ebay
[08:25] <delire> kalias: 2) you can use a GUI to install packages, or the commandline. which would you prefer?
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:25] <holo> why does mpg123 and mp3blaster don't exist in ubuntu repositorys?
[08:25] <jeroen_> hondje, :)
[08:25] <dimeo> I've really liked gome-commander... awesome!
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> holo : exactly..
[08:25] <ompaul> ! restricted
[08:25] <ubotu> ompaul: No idea
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> holo : and now you need to download 30mb of packages just to compile mp3blaster yourself
[08:25] <kalias> I would like to try both out.  Since I am new to this system it is good to use all tools.
[08:25] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[08:25] <ompaul> !restricted packaged
[08:25] <ubotu> ompaul: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:25] <ompaul> !restricted packages
[08:25] <ubotu> ompaul: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:25] <cusco> please help me with apt
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> mp3blaster=console > all
[08:26] <delire> kalias: ok we'll start with the command line, just so i can prove how easy it is ;)
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> toxicfume : get it from a gentoo source mirror
[08:26] <holo> lsuactiafner: are you kidding, worst that could happen was using debian repositorys, i do have a life
[08:26] <kalias> okay, you are on :))
[08:26] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, you should check the ubuntu website for restricted packages
[08:26] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:26] <jeroen_> kalias, sudo apt-get install package or use synaptic or kynaptic
[08:26] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:26] <toxicfume> lsuactiafner: but the gentoo extension is .ebuild, which is different isn't it?
[08:26] <ompaul> holo you should check the ubuntu website for restricted packages
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> holo :  compile things yourself dont be lazy
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> no idea
[08:27] <lsuactiafner> i dont know much about ubuntu or debian..
[08:27] <hondje> are the ubuntu pkgs for hula messed up?
[08:27] <holo> lsuactiafner: then i think you are using the wrong distro, try gentoo, its for ultra geeks
[08:27] <hondje> It didn't dep-check like it should
[08:27] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, 'apt-get install package-name` is effective because someone else already did the hard work
[08:27] <toxicfume> well the one in gentoo repo's is .ebuild, i don't know if that's compatible with ubuntu
[08:27] <nova> hey delire you around?
[08:27] <kalias> okay, looks like I will have to try later, the baby is up.  I will be back later.
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> holo : the ultra geeks are just smarter than you
[08:28] <yahalom> guys i need help. i removed something that is removing my whole system, xfce and gnome everything! how do i undo it?
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> if you cant type ./configure ; make ; make install then you should get lost
[08:28] <holo> there are people out there that prefer to compile a whole system, than wasting its time in a more usefull way li learning how to program!
[08:28] <hondje> yahalom: ctrl-c?
[08:28] <Eighth> anyone have experience setting up gmail-notify with hoary?
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> yahalom : did that also.. unfun.. i just reinstalled the whole cd again
[08:28] <nalioth> toxicfume: you can find the src
[08:28] <holo> lsuactiafner: no, they are short sighted
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> holo : compiling mp3blaster takes less time than finding the package
[08:29] <holo> lsuactiafner: you are wrong
[08:29] <toxicfume> nalioth: from where?
[08:29] <delire> kalias: 3) searching. 'apt-cache search keyword' returns a list of packages based on keywords. so 'apt-cache search browser' returns a list of possible browsers to install. however to install anything you need adminsitrator access. this is handled with 'sudo' (== 'super user do') so 'sudo apt-cache search browser'
[08:29] <delire> kalias: hehe ok :)
[08:29] <delire> nova: sure
[08:29] <delire> nova: how did it go?
[08:29] <nova> didnt
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> holo : you are an arrogant american most likely
[08:29] <nalioth> toxicfume: did some1 not mention gentoo?
[08:30] <nova> 2 reinstalls of ubuntu this mornign
[08:30] <toxicfume> nalioth: yes lsuactiafner did
[08:30] <delire> nova: and?
[08:30] <nova> even xorg drivers are a no go
[08:30] <kbrooks> gentoo's  OT
[08:30] <nova> still cant get off the mesa3d
[08:30] <holo> and plus , the package will be always there to be used! binarys are good for almost situations, get used to it lsuactiafner
[08:30] <lsuactiafner> hondje aint you korean?
[08:30] <nova> if you got time ewant to try helping me out via vnc and or ssh?
[08:30] <nalioth> toxicfume: there should be a link from there to the src
[08:30] <holo> and i am not american
[08:30] <toxicfume> delire: hey
[08:31] <toxicfume> nalioth: from where? i don't know where gentoo sources are :S
[08:31] <jeroen_> hondje sounds dutch :/ It means doggy in dutch
[08:31] <nalioth> nova: it should be 'help you out with vnc AND ssh
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> holo : binaries compiled for i686 sucks, if i can use -O3 and athlon-4 to make it faster i will
[08:31] <nalioth> toxicfume: what are you looking for?
[08:31] <hondje> lsuactiafner: No, I'm not korean :)
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> mp3blaster plays 16hrs a day
[08:31] <hondje> jeroen_: Yep, but I'm not dutch
[08:31] <toxicfume> nalioth: acer aspire 1692
[08:31] <hondje> lsuactiafner: The missus is korean, and her mom can't read english
[08:31] <hondje> hence the korean font thing
[08:31] <nalioth> toxicfume: i dont have a clue waht that is. a computer? a part? a program?
[08:32] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, then you really are not in the correct channel, #slackware or #gentoo might be more to you'r liking >:->
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> holo : you are adopting a ms viewpoint of things
[08:32] <toxicfume> nalioth: what what is?
[08:32] <nalioth> toxicfume: what are you after that u were sent to gentoo?
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu shouldnt aim to become a ms clone. it should embrace what linux is and make it easier for a newb to move to linux
[08:32] <holo> lsuactiafner: slow computers take too long to compile something just to be a little fast, very fast computers are fast enouph to bother compiling just to be a little optimized
[08:32] <holo> that my feeling about compiling
[08:33] <toxicfume> nalioth: a file called acerhk-0.5.22.tgz, which fixes some problems to do with Wireless card's killswitches on acer laptops
[08:33] <hondje> lsuactiafner: How's ubuntu being windows-cloney?
[08:33] <nalioth> holo: yes, but it gives us something for root-tail
[08:33] <holo> cpus are made to run the apps, not compile them 24 hours a day
[08:33] <nalioth> toxicfume: and you've googled for it?
[08:33] <toxicfume> nalioth: yes
[08:33] <hondje> seems like debian with newer desktop pkgs to me
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> hondje : it does so many things automatically that i dotn want or need or asked for.
[08:33] <toxicfume> nalioth: the official page that is is supposed to be on (http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tauber/acerhk/), is down
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> and its not predictable..
[08:33] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, your suggesting is very insulting to anyone who uses debian, ubuntu, kanotix, knoppix, linspire, xandros and many more, including the smarts behind rpm (not that I really like it)
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> or consistant in its implementation
[08:33] <hondje> lsuactiafner: Well, predicatble is bad
[08:34] <nalioth> toxicfume: did you ask for googles cache of it?
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : i use packages, but the programs i use daily i prefer to compile myelf
[08:34] <toxicfume> nalioth: but there's no point right? cause google cache won't cache the file anyways
[08:34] <hondje> Personally, I want my desktop to be automagical
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> i dont compile things like bash since i might screw it up
[08:34] <mackito> hi, i have a little question. I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen, somebody can tell me how to put a continous display?
[08:34] <balubino> hi
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> but mp3blaster or blackbox i can do myself without screwing it up
[08:35] <nalioth> toxicfume: have you tried? i've d/l many files because the front page was borked, but the filetree wasnt
[08:35] <holo> things done automatically and with reliability are _good_
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> there should be a prompt, "do you want ntpdate to run @ boot Y/n"
[08:35] <toxicfume> nalioth: i tried it just now, didn't work
[08:35] <balubino> does anyone knows if beagle from backports supports pdf indexing?
[08:35] <Eighth> lsuactiafner: that'd be nice
[08:35] <hondje> holo: for a desktop, at least :)
[08:35] <toxicfume> nalioth: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tauber/acerhk/archives/acerhk-0.5.24.tgz <--- it's down
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> ntpdate stalling my bootup aint nice
[08:35] <nalioth> toxicfume: here ya go try this http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=180397
[08:35] <hondje> Though all this stuff is automated, it's just the scale
[08:35] <holo> debian ditros rock most becouse of their policy!
[08:35] <hondje> Not like people sit and press buttons on a webserver
[08:35] <holo> and it just works
[08:35] <holo> so why bother?
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> ntpdate should run with & in the background
[08:36] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, that is your choice and you are free to do that, but you have (A) no right to suggest that a package management system makes a GNU/Linux distibution like windows (B) you have a right to your opinion, but please realise this it is yours not anyone elses, though there are those that would agree with you
[08:36] <Micksa> shit.
[08:36] <LaLu> hello
[08:36] <Micksa> in gnumeric what's the name of the function to average a range of values?
[08:36] <toxicfume> nalioth: it's the same link that is down :/
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : i didnt say that
[08:36] <iceman> I want to buy a mac, but what to get that will run Ubuntu well ..
[08:36] <hondje> Windows doesn't have pkg management
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> my point is not to take the linux power away and obsuring it
[08:36] <hondje> iceman: mini mac runs ubuntu fine
[08:36] <Choubaka> hondje: It does.
[08:36] <Chislon> how big do i want my swap and my file sharing partitions to be?
[08:36] <Choubaka> There's Windows installer.
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> if a user wants to compile programs themselves it should be easy
[08:37] <Choubaka> But it's nowhere near as good as dpkg/APT ;P
[08:37] <ompaul> well that is my reading of this statement:: lsuactiafner ubuntu shouldnt aim to become a ms clone. it should embrace what linux is and make it easier for a newb to move to linux
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> not a mission to get 50 more packages just to compile something
[08:37] <iceman> hondje whats specks on that system
[08:37] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: it is.
[08:37] <hondje> Choubaka: oh, learn something every day
[08:37] <mackito> hi, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen.
[08:37] <mackito>  somebody can tell me how to put a continous display?
[08:37] <signius> Has anyone here setup Evolution to connect to an Microsoft Exchange 2003
[08:37] <nalioth> iceman: pre "airport extreme" model of any sort
[08:37] <hondje> iceman: 1.25 or 1.4GHz G4, combo drive, etc
[08:37] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Of course you need the .devs.
[08:37] <nalioth> iceman: runs ubuntu great!
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : now whats wrong with that?
[08:37] <signius> It keeps failing with the info for OWA
[08:38] <kbrooks> how do i change .........
[08:38] <kbrooks> umm
[08:38] <signius> but i know 100% the info i am giving it is correct
[08:38] <iceman> wonder how this will work ... Looking for a cheap system .. G3 350 iMac Blueberry 10GB/64MB/CD
[08:38] <kbrooks> ok
[08:38] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:38] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:38] <kbrooks> my time
[08:38] <ompaul> lsuactiafner,  your suggestion that it is trying to be a clone of something else
[08:38] <kbrooks> from 24 to 12
[08:38] <kbrooks> hours
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : ubuntu shouldnt look @ microsoft for their desing methods.. ppl got to forget about ms and look @ linux and freebsd
[08:38] <toxicfume> nalioth: the forum you linked me too...it's the same link, it's down too
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> design methods
[08:38] <hondje> Ubuntu looks to debian for design
[08:38] <ompaul> desing?
[08:39] <peterbe> Hi all. I'm getting 401 errors when doing an apt-get update on backports.ubuntuforums.org. Solution?
[08:39] <hondje> peterbe: use mirrors
[08:39] <nalioth> toxicfume: you need to ask google more politely
[08:39] <nalioth> toxicfume: http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Gentoo/distfiles/?page=3
[08:39] <signius> desing ?
[08:39] <peterbe> hondje: got one?
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : the first time i ran ubuntu i didnt know about gdm, killing X was a mission, it reminded me of ms
[08:39] <hondje> peterbe: No, just something I saw in the ubuntu forums, I bet you can see it there too....in the announcements section
[08:39] <Choubaka> :/
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> X should mention thats gdm is keeping it going no matter what
[08:40] <Chetic> http://img113.echo.cx/img113/5964/crap0es.jpg <-I got that during (my first) startup... it isn't supposed to happen is it? (please excuse the blur)
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> to be transparent to the user
[08:40] <hondje> Define mention, lsuactiafner
[08:40] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, is desing design? well I have been using FLOSS for 10 years, and gnome is not usually compared with the design of some closed source company
[08:40] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: X shouldn't do that.
[08:40] <Choubaka> gdm should
[08:40] <Chislon> how big should my swap and file sharing partitions bd please?
[08:40] <hondje> ompaul: sometimes with os x, in look
[08:40] <Choubaka> What's "desing"? :P
[08:40] <ksmurf> anyone have luck getting a serial wacom graphire going?
[08:40] <toxicfume> nalioth: lol, how did you manage to get that link? thanks :)
[08:40] <synd> i got a VNC server running on my Mac OS X iBook both and i cannot connect to it with this ubuntu box via vncviewer
[08:40] <nalioth> Chislon: swap should be at a minimum equal to the amount of ram you have
[08:40] <kbrooks> Choubaka: DESIGN
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> hondje : it should cleary stare once i press control alt backspace that X will be restarted by gdm in 3 seconds
[08:40] <ompaul> hondje, and OS/X was out a long time after gnome/KDE
[08:40] <signius> why does evolution insist on using OWA to revieve mail form an exchange server
[08:40] <peterbe> Does anybody here have a good mirror alternative for "backports"? backports.ubuntuforums.org doesn't work for me.
[08:40] <signius> what if you have setup OWA
[08:41] <Choubaka> kbrooks: Thought so. :P
[08:41] <signius> what will it do then ?
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> so if i truly want X dead i will get it dead
[08:41] <kbrooks> nalioth: inapplicable
[08:41] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: yep.
[08:41] <holo> lsuactiafner: that is very nice to say, but when you go to a computer store what do you see there installed? microsoft windows.. so obviously they have tom imitate their touch and look, at least kde does a little of that.. gnome imitates cocoa touch and feel without the accelerated stuff
[08:41] <kbrooks> to more than
[08:41] <nalioth> toxicfume: i speak many languages, but speak googlese best of all
[08:41] <Jormundgand> lsuactiafner: What if X is frozen and THAT'S why you're restarting?
[08:41] <Choubaka> kill it three times rapidly. :D
[08:41] <hondje> ompaul: yeah, but gnome is looking more and more like os x than it used to, not that it's bad
[08:41] <kbrooks> 256
[08:41] <kbrooks> mb
[08:41] <dimeo> It's directories like this: /mnt/windows/Documents\ and\ Settings/Matt/My\ Documents/My\ Music/  that make me wish for GUI
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> instead of forcing the user to do as ubuntu sees as the best option
[08:41] <Chislon> nalioth, ok, i have 736mb ram, so i should o 736?
[08:41] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[08:41] <Chislon> nalioth, or is more better? how much more?
[08:41] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: the user is not forced to anything.
[08:41] <kbrooks> dimeo: escaping due to bash
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> Jormundgand : no i didnt want to run a gui, so i wanted to kill it
[08:41] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: you can disable gdm :P
[08:42] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, there are two ways to use linux, be distro based or start with a distro and build your own
[08:42] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I see that something like gdm isn't obvious to a newbie, that X is a protocol, etc...
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : yeh but too me a ps aux and some huge grepping to figure out gdm was the cause of my problems
[08:42] <dimeo> kbrooks  escaping due to bash?
[08:42] <holo> personally, yesterday was the first time i came into contact with ubuntu.. and i loved it!!! :D
[08:42] <kbrooks> dimeo: yes
[08:42] <hondje> The magic is to make it unimportant
[08:42] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, and for the pedants there is build it all from scratch
[08:42] <toxicfume> nalioth: well more power to you
[08:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: inapplicable? please skewl me
[08:42] <nalioth> Chislon: you are fine with what you sent
[08:42] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: well, yeah.
[08:42] <J0el> hello , i just did apt-get update . when i mark a few packages to install , the Package manager just quits.. :\
[08:42] <holo> i will not use it, but will recommend further to all my friends
[08:42] <J0el> im on Ubuntu 4.01
[08:42] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: but that's just because you didn't know it was gdm
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> by being like microsoft i mean
[08:42] <hondje> You hit ctrl-alt-bckspace and it restarts 'something' ... newbie need not think about what
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> 'we are borg the system will do as we say'
[08:42] <dimeo> kbrooks can you elaborate?
[08:42] <Azmodan> I have a sound problem.  Sound works in some game (frozen-bubble, wesnoth) but not at all for the rest of the system (no sound at startup, no sound on events, can't play CDs and so on).  Any idea on how to set it so it works ?
[08:42] <Chislon> nalioth, meaning 736mb for swap is good? what about for file sharing?
[08:42] <Chetic> I can't start X :( http://img113.echo.cx/img113/1209/p60405194dk.jpg (ATi gfx card)
[08:43] <kbrooks> nalioth: SHOULD YOU create a 2 GB partition for swap?
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : ubuntu didnt inform me of gdm.. just like ms wouldnt
[08:43] <nalioth> toxicfume: is that what u were looking for?
[08:43] <rdsaari> how to fully update ubuntu?
[08:43] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: you'll find that kind of thing will happen a lot less often with ubuntu than with windows
[08:43] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Why should ubuntu inform you of gdm?
[08:43] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: newbies needn't know about gdm
[08:43] <signius> This is garbage
[08:43] <nalioth> Chislon: the file sharing partition is up to you. how much file sharing do you plan on doing?
[08:43] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: but it will still happen occasionally
[08:43] <toxicfume> nalioth: yes looks likes it, thanks
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : becuase it was doing something automatically without my knowledge
[08:43] <nalioth> kbrooks: i would not
[08:43] <rdsaari> how can i update ubuntu to the current version?
[08:43] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: pm  me..........
[08:43] <signius> i dont understand why evolution insists on using OWA for authentication
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> it was forcing me to run X even tho i didnt want it to, without telling me how to get X to stop
[08:43] <Chislon> nalioth so i only need to make it as big as the biggest file id send (if i only sent one file at a time?)
[08:43] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: you can't expect to be told everything all the time. you'd be swamped.
[08:43] <yccheok> how to use wget to only down load jpeg from a site??
[08:43] <hondje> frankly, I'm glad that I can install a distro and not worry about x font server, configuring gdm, etc etc etc
[08:44] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, ohh look there was a clock cycle that was used to trigger a refresh of RAM
[08:44] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: It wasn't forcing you.
[08:44] <Micksa> *snigger*
[08:44] <nalioth> Chislon: i dont use a "file sharing partition" i use my home directory
[08:44] <hondje> lsuactiafner: oh yeah, I'd like an option in gdm to drop to console
[08:44] <Micksa> CTRL-ALT-F1
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> cmon stop being zealots
[08:44] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: You can't expect Ubuntu to teach you automatically.
[08:44] <nalioth> Chislon: giving me up to 40gb on this machine
[08:44] <hondje> Micksa: That works, but gdm should have that option
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> forcing a user into something becuase the designers didnt anticipate something is wrong period
[08:44] <hondje> we want clickys, they make newbies feel comfortable
[08:45] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[08:45] <hondje> lsuactiafner: forcing the user to be in X?
[08:45] <snoop_> can anyone help me out with a broacom chipset wireless card
[08:45] <Micksa> IMHO if you're the kind of person who needs to drop to text console you should be the kind of person who can work with CTRL-ALT-F1 :)
[08:45] <Chislon> nalioth, how does that work? is that what reading the Share Partitions Between Linux and Windows HowTo from Ed's Software guide on linux will teach me to do?
[08:45] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: But what confusion would it cause if the user wanted to just restart X, and instead end up killing it?
[08:45] <Micksa> shoving cmdline in front of people's face is probably not wise.
[08:45] <hondje> Micksa: ah, but that cramps on exploring...the more a user explores, the more comfy they feel, and they stay
[08:45] <nalioth> Chislon: ah you didnt mention sharing tween windoze and linux
[08:45] <Micksa> most users won't feel comfy exploring bash 8)
[08:46] <hondje> Why would a newbie that didn't know what gdm was want to kill X?
[08:46] <Chislon> nalioth, well what else do you file share?
[08:46] <Micksa> GUI stuff maybe
[08:46] <Choubaka> hondje: exactly. :/
[08:46] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : sure great restart X, great for newbs, they love it, but give a user the option to make X die
[08:46] <rdsaari> how to update to the current version of ubuntu?
[08:46] <nalioth> Chislon: what i do is this: 4gb for windoze (way too much, if ya ask me), 4 gb for linux and the rest fat32
[08:46] <Chislon> nalioth, im just tring to follow along the dual boot install and it talked about it, and ya its with windows, what else would i file share with?
[08:46] <holo> why ubuntu doesn't use beep-media-mplayer?
[08:46] <holo> its much more cool
[08:46] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:46] <holo> than xmms
[08:46] <Choubaka> done.
[08:46] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: did you get this upset when you found out about cron? :)
[08:46] <hondje> I agree with the option in gdm to drop to console
[08:46] <hondje> other distros have that
[08:46] <nalioth> holo: because you havent installed it
[08:46] <snoop_> help with a wireless card?
[08:46] <Chislon> nalioth, oh... so you do just the operating systems, plus ur swap file, and then just store everything on fat32... ok...
[08:46] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, in my opinion (not humble) this is not being a zealot, a tad pedantic maybe but not a lot, it is because I see you building on sand that I shake your foundations so that you may see a firmer building method
[08:46] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: or /etc/rc*.d?
[08:47] <rdsaari> #join kubuntu
[08:47] <Choubaka> init.d
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : that i did..
[08:47] <holo> nalioth: :p aha nice joke, i tried at least, have you installed it?
[08:47] <nalioth> Chislon: in this way, u can access from both win and linux
[08:47] <nalioth> holo: yes i have
[08:47] <Micksa> Choubaka: I'm gonna kick you in the nnnuts
[08:47] <Choubaka> What?
[08:47] <Jormundgand> ompaul: And from there it's only a jump to "I kill them because I want them to see the error of supporting the religion they do".
[08:47] <nalioth> holo: not enthused with it (not enthused with xmms, either)
[08:47] <Chislon> nalioth, ya... is fat32 what linux is nativly in? or is there a faster way for it to be or soemthign?
[08:47] <andred> I'd like to edit /etc/hdparm.conf to enable dma on my /dev/hdc (cdrom) by default, but using the path '/dev/hdc' fails on startup, and same with '/dev/cdrom'. Is this because of udev, and these device files not being created at that point?
[08:48] <nalioth> Chislon: fat32 is an older windoze filesystem that linux can read/write to w/o any problems
[08:48] <holo> nalioth: i don't use it either, just mpg123 here, but its for a girl :D
[08:48] <nalioth> Chislon: linux filesystems include (but are not limited to) ext2, ext3, reiserfs
[08:48] <david__> does anyone know the command to access the xorg config gui?
[08:48] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[08:48] <Choubaka> Anyway, users who want total control aren't newbies.
[08:49] <nalioth> holo: musicplayer
[08:49] <david__> Choubaka, RIGHT ON MAN!
[08:49] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: okay, so yeah, some stuff gets done behind the scenes without you knowing it, but that's what makes an OS easier to use for most people.  The difference about ubuntu (and linux) is that you can much more easily figure out what's going on, if you know where to look.
[08:49] <Chetic> I can't start X :( http://img113.echo.cx/img113/1209/p60405194dk.jpg (ATi gfx card)
[08:49] <ompaul> Jormundgand, I do not think that I was anywhere near there, I spent much of the time I was in france (the previous two weeks) seeing the folly of war
[08:49] <Hect000r> hello everyone. I just installed ubuntu 5.04 but changed gnome to xfce becasue i want to run as quickly as posible. any suggestions?
[08:49] <Choubaka> I _have_ total control over my ubuntu. :)
[08:49] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: for example, the boot process starts with /sbin/init. if you go "man init" you find out about /etc/inittab, which shows what else starts up, then you can traverse from there
[08:49] <Chislon> nalioth, ok... is fat32 gonna make windows and linux not run as well tho?
[08:50] <delire> nova sorry, batter died.
[08:50] <Choubaka> That's because I'm not a newbie, and can tell it to stop doing things.
[08:50] <Micksa> I have NO idea how to traverse windows' boot process :)
[08:50] <Micksa> wish I did actually
[08:50] <Dvondrake> lol
[08:50] <Choubaka> Fucking up one's system shouldn't be made easy. :D
[08:50] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:50] <hondje> should be made? It already is
[08:50] <Choubaka> hondje: not to newbies.
[08:50] <hondje> I do it regularly, like somehow losing my automounting magic
[08:50] <nalioth> Chislon: not at all, the 4gb partition for windoze can be ntfs or fat32, linux has its own 4gb partition in its own filesystem and linux reads/writes at the same speed to all r/w filesystems
[08:51] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : i know all that, been in slackware for 5yrs and booting into a GUI was very annoying for me.. but figuring out that gdm kept restarting X took too long, ther should be an option "against the ubuntu teams recommendations kill X off and be done with it"
[08:51] <Chetic> I never set a root password, yet it asks me for one. What is it?
[08:51] <Dvondrake> helloooo
[08:51] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:51] <nalioth> Chetic: use your own pwd
[08:51] <Chislon> nalioth ok... but since i have like 14 gigs of stuff on ... i cant really do that easily to make it 4 gigs for windows and then move the 10 gigs to another partition?
[08:51] <Amaranth> Chetic: Are you on breezy?
[08:51] <Church_of_FoamY> whats the command to get ubuntu to tell you what version it is?
[08:51] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: well I guess xdm is one of those things you had the misfortune to find out about the hard way.
[08:51] <hondje> lsuactiafner: ctrl-alt-backspace behaves like that on most distros I've used
[08:51] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:51] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, you should have a look at the man pages for the commands runlevel and init
[08:51] <Dvondrake> will someone ever answer -.-
[08:52] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: feel free to go back to slackware if you feel that ubuntu does too much behind you back.
[08:52] <funky> any place where find unnoficial deb packages ?
[08:52] <hondje> lsuactiafner: if you want it dead, just sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:52] <nalioth> Chislon: all i can say is buy another HD or use partition magic
[08:52] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: also consider a server install of ubuntu.
[08:52] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:52] <Amaranth> Church_of_FoamY: cat /etc/lsb_release
[08:52] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : ubuntu is great, just dont adopt a ms attitude to define user-friendlyness
[08:52] <Micksa> Dvondrake: it would appear that nobody knows.
[08:52] <ompaul> Dvondrake, longer than a download :)
[08:52] <Chetic> nalioth, my own password? I only set my regular users password and it doesn't work on root.
[08:52] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you
[08:52] <Dvondrake> lol
[08:52] <Chetic> Amaranth, What?
[08:52] <Dvondrake> anyways
[08:52] <Dvondrake> i'll br off now
[08:52] <Dvondrake> be*
[08:52] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I'm confused
[08:52] <lsuactiafner> if you make a system any idiot can use only idiots will want to use it..
[08:52] <Hect000r> I just installed ubuntu 5.04 but changed gnome to xfce becasue i want to run as quickly as posible. any suggestions on what changes to make?
[08:52] <signius> is anyone else having problems trying to do an apt-get update ?
[08:53] <nalioth> Chetic: then i don't know. ubuntu is 'sudo-centric'
[08:53] <medkit> anyone here with a hpt372 chipset or pci ide controller?
[08:53] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: no, no, no.
[08:53] <hondje> The way things like these are set up is pretty much the way debian is set up
[08:53] <Chetic> nalioth, I have never used sudo before.. heh
[08:53] <lsuactiafner> Hect000r : run blackbox
[08:53] <signius> Err http://security .ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[08:53] <signius> Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[08:53] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Power users will learn to disable the automagic.
[08:53] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, now that begs abuse, but instead I will call you a troll as defined in the jargon manual
[08:53] <hondje> I doubt anyone would say debian is 'ms-esque'
[08:53] <Micksa> what Choubaka said
[08:53] <snoop_> hey everyone, can someone help me out with a wireless card?
[08:53] <signius> i been getting this for 2 days now
[08:53] <spanglesontoast> is there any gui task maker to run at a certain time?
[08:53] <Micksa> that's another difference from windows...
[08:54] <signius> so its not that temporary
[08:54] <Micksa> you CAN disable the behind-the-scenes stuff
[08:54] <hondje> I don't get why this ms-way is so bad for a desktop....I don't like too much magic on my webserver, but I want my desktop to work without me thinking
[08:54] <Choubaka> I _hate_ when windows doesn't learn to not show those annoying bubbles.
[08:54] <lsuactiafner> signius : i'm a power user that got threatened by the ms assimalation attitude.. be more verbose and allow for easy compilations but allow a user to say fsck it i want to untar on my own
[08:54] <Choubaka> they drive me freaking _insane_
[08:54] <david__> does anyone knwo the command to run the xorg config?
[08:54] <Micksa> hondje: it's hard for some people to admit that windows does do some things right :)
[08:55] <hondje> Micksa: true, evil-empire and what not
[08:55] <Micksa> david__: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:55] <karljp> what's the most acdsee like image viewer for linux?  I've tried gqview, qiv, kuickshow, gtksee, xv, pornview, gwenview, gliv, showimg, fbi, gimageview, electriceyes
[08:55] <Choubaka> Every time I log into my bro's machine, windows says: "There are unused icons on the desktop"
[08:55] <hondje> But MS does automagic, people gripe, but apple does MORE of it, and everyone loves it
[08:55] <holo> Micksa: it does things work, but i find it hard to use and easy to wreck
[08:55] <Micksa> david__: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" to get it to not ask annoying complex questions :)
[08:55] <signius> lsuactiafner: i think yoru more suited to the gentoo or slackware distros
[08:55] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : linux should stay unix, it shouldnt become a box like windows
[08:55] <ompaul> dpkg-reconfig xorg or xorgcfg
[08:55] <david__> Micksa, ty so much that's it!
[08:55] <Choubaka> hondje: maybe apple does it the right way :D
[08:55] <signius> ive messed with gentoo and lifes too short
[08:55] <david__> and ompaul
[08:55] <dimeo> karljp which one that you've tried is your fav so far?
[08:55] <david__> got it!! :)
[08:56] <lsuactiafner> if i wanted my OS to decide whats best for me and ignore my commands and needs i would run windows
[08:56] <Choubaka> and "Click here to clean your desktop"
[08:56] <hondje> Why can't linux offer a Free, OpenSource desktop that anyone can use?
[08:56] <holo> signius: that's good lesson you learnt! :]  i am glad i didn't have to learn that lesson either
[08:56] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Ubuntu is not ignoring your commands.  I'm switching to gentoo or something.
[08:57] <signius> so its obviously something the gentoo developers thoguht was needed
[08:57] <kbrooks> Micksa: pm
[08:57] <J0el> hello , i just did apt-get update . when i mark a few packages to install , the Package manager just quits.. :\
[08:57] <Choubaka> :P
[08:57] <ompaul> Micksa, can you switch for me too?
[08:57] <holo> lsuactiafner: you OS doesn't ignore your commands, he does what you want, but you are still working for him, and not the opposite
[08:57] <karljp> but I can't rename while I'm viewing, and it can't show me image stats in the browser.
[08:57] <dimeo> karljp is that in ubuntu repositories?
[08:57] <Deanos> Hi guys... Where is the best place for a Noob to ask dumb questions?
[08:57] <karljp> it's the best so far though.
[08:57] <karljp> gqview, yeah
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : control alt delete should kill off X, if gdm wants to restart X then put that information on the screen
[08:57] <hondje> Deanos: Lots of dumbness here today :)
[08:57] <karljp> it's the best so far by quite a way
[08:58] <signius> Deanos: here is a good a place as any
[08:58] <lsuactiafner> i'm asking for more verbose output
[08:58] <karljp> gtksee tries to mirror acdsee, but it's gtk1, and incomplete at best
[08:58] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: don't run gdm.
[08:58] <signius> plenty of noobs in here
[08:58] <dimeo> Thats me!
[08:58] <dimeo> I'
[08:58] <Choubaka> gdm's _sole job_ is to automatically start X ffs.
[08:58] <HappyFool> J0el: what package manager? synaptic?
[08:58] <dimeo> I'm worth 10 noobs
[08:58] <holo> Choubaka: just killall gdm as root ;)
[08:58] <delire> hehe
[08:58] <J0el> HappyFool, Yes.
[08:58] <Choubaka> gdm only does what it is supposed to ;/
[08:58] <lsuactiafner> you guys are missing my point, the first time i ran ubuntu it didnt obey my command, instead i had to ps aux to find out gdm was causing X to restart
[08:58] <hondje> I see what lsuactiafner is saying, it would be nice if there was an option in gdm to drop into console...probably get used more than that hibernate one
[08:58] <kbrooks> holo
[08:59] <J0el> some packages install , the others just make Synaptic quit.
[08:59] <holo> kbrooks: ok slay user :D
[08:59] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: it did obey your command. ;P
[08:59] <kbrooks> holo, hondje:
[08:59] <Deanos> Thanks...  What's up?
[08:59] <hondje> But ctrl-alt-backspace always makes gdm restart if it's running, not die
[08:59] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : no it forced me back into the gui without telling me why i was looking @ the desktop again
[08:59] <J0el> HappyFool, can i pm u?
[08:59] <littleworm> how can i restore my last configuration that worked?
[08:59] <HappyFool> J0el: are you running a normal ubuntu release, e.g. hoary hedgehog (aka 5.04) ?
[08:59] <toxicfume> crimsun: hey
[08:59] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[08:59] <kbrooks> newbies have to know 3 new  keys.................
[08:59] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: ctrl-alt-bspace kills X. gdm is running, and it's job is to restart X if it's not running.
[08:59] <TTilus> lsuactiafner: it's ctrl alt backspace (if you mean to kill _only_ X)
[08:59] <HappyFool> J0el: i guess. if we keep it here people can correct my mistakes ;)
[08:59] <hondje> kbrooks: hey, I survived as a newbie with less protection :)
[08:59] <hondje> and I'm a total computer moron
[09:00] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[09:00] <J0el> no im running the Warty one ..
[09:00] <nalioth> kbrooks: what was up with the 2gb question whallago?
[09:00] <spanglesontoast> how can I make a program run at a certain time?
[09:00] <kbrooks> can't newbies USE the infamous ........ 3 finger salute?
[09:00] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: so, if you wanted to exit GUI, you wouldn't have to kill X, but X and gdm.
[09:00] <Micksa> TTilus: that was his problem, gdm just restarted X
[09:00] <lsuactiafner> spanglesontoast : cron
[09:00] <linukso> lsuactiafner: if you are a "power user", I guess you should know how to stop gdm...
[09:00] <delire> spanglesontoast sleep
[09:00] <HappyFool> J0el: what packages are you trying to install?
[09:00] <delire> spanglesontoast or cron
[09:00] <toxicfume> crimsun: well today somehow i managedto get wireless running..i found out that the problem actually was because ubuntu is confused about the killswitch of the wireless card on my laptop..so i did the setkeycodes thing and got it working, but only for a while..after then it did not work again
[09:00] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, go figure out what a daemons job is, and read something like unix internals and then say that - if you want do use xinit or xdm or kdm or something else be my guest but you are in the wrong place to get that line listened to, this is a distro that is designed for the home user and on the other side it being a distro it is just as capable of doing what you ask it to, so rather than complaining why not go figure out what it
[09:00] <ompaul>  needs and put your project up on sourceforge and see how many download it so that you may protect us from ourselves :)
[09:00] <J0el> i added the universal repositories ... if thats right
[09:00] <spanglesontoast> how do I use sleep?
[09:00] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: it DID obey your commands, you just didn't know what command to give it ;)
[09:00] <J0el> well i was trying to install Sdl n opengl
[09:00] <holo> TTilus: lsuactiafner is an extremist .. he must be anti-american/anti-macDonalds, he doesn't believe in killing just the important stuff
[09:00] <hondje> ompaul: kdm restarts when ctrl-alt-bkspace too
[09:00] <holo> :x
[09:00] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: of course, it isn't obvious to newbies, but anyone who wants to exit gui, should know about GDM.
[09:01] <crimsun> toxicfume: ah, well I can't help with that
[09:01] <HappyFool> J0el: hmm
[09:01] <Micksa> gdm is not terribly new, it's not like nobody knows about it.
[09:01] <littleworm> how can i restore my last configuration that worked?
[09:01] <J0el> HappyFool, even the 3ddesktop wont install.