[04:29] <DanChapman> Good Morning all
[04:33] <pitti> Good morning
[05:17] <sak> Are there any test procedures to test Mir?
[06:03] <xubuntu_> balloons, are any test parameters for Mir?
[07:35] <Noskcaj> Yay, smartboyhw is back!
[07:36] <Noskcaj> wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Testdrive/Hackfest is happening!
[09:25] <WebbyIT> balloons, new MR for the test, without conflict :D https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1188716bis/+merge/177771
[14:04] <balloons> WebbyIT, awesome I'll have a look at the MR :-)
[14:04] <WebbyIT> thanks balloons :)
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons
[14:08] <smartboyhw> And balloons, plz de-op
[14:10] <balloons> hey smartboyhw
[17:00] <slickymaster> good afternoonall
[17:00] <balloons> slickymaster, afternoon
[17:01] <slickymaster> ballons, :)
[17:03] <balloons> evening dkessel
[17:03] <dkessel> good evening balloons :)
[17:04] <slickymaster> balloons, only 3 to go, on xubuntu manual tests.  I meant gmusicbrowser
[17:59] <slickymaster> knome: ping. You there?
[18:01] <knome> slickymaster, yes
[18:02] <slickymaster> knome: Hi, just wnat to run something wuth you
[18:02] <knome> sure
[18:03] <slickymaster> knome: I'm translating the Xubuntu documentation and I think I found a typo in the original. Should I raise a bug against it?
[18:03] <knome> slickymaster, yes, or a merge proposal if you know how to do one
[18:04] <slickymaster> knome: I don't think I have the permissions
[18:04] <knome> slickymaster, you always have permissions for merge proposals
[18:04] <slickymaster> knome: ok, didn't knew it
[18:05] <slickymaster> knome: the setence is. "The only way around this is to use a free alternative life <application>swf-dec</application> which comes complete in its package file."
[18:05] <slickymaster> knome: I think it's supposed to be like, not life
[18:05] <knome> yup
[18:05] <knome> correct
[18:06] <slickymaster> knome: so, what you're saying is to branch it, correct it, push up and propose to merge?
[18:06] <knome> slickymaster, yup
[18:07] <slickymaster> knome: ok, I'll do it tomorrow. Today I have to work in the Ubuntu Manual
[18:07] <knome> sure, no hurry with it
[18:07] <slickymaster> knome, thanks. Always leaning a hand when it's needed
[18:08] <knome> of course :)
[18:08] <slickymaster> knome: :) until later
[18:08] <knome> if you run into other typos or spots you think could be improved, feel free to simply sumbit them as merge proposals as well
[18:09] <slickymaster> knome, will do
[18:09] <knome> thanks!
[18:10] <slickymaster> elfy, good afternoon and congrats on the work on bringing up the forums (also to all the other admins and mods9
[19:04] <qengho> Should a package landing in saucy with a debian/tests/ dir show up on jenkins.qa.u.c?  I added autopkgtest to chromium-browser and have a new version in S as of a few hours ago.
[19:04] <qengho> I was hoping to be one of the cool kids who test publically.
[19:21] <balloons> qengho, hello :-) What's your question?
[19:21] <xeranas_> evening
[19:22] <balloons> evening xeranas
[19:27] <qengho> balloons: I think chromium-browser's autopkgtests should have shown up on Jenkins QA. It didn't. Why?
[19:31] <balloons> qengho, they're in the source tree, and built in the package?
[19:32] <xeranas_> balloons: when I writing unknown file type test I face one strange problem: I wanted to add objectName property for dialog object inside "UnknowTypeDialog.qml". However when I run autopilot vis tool and inspecting dialog object it shows that it not specified (blank). I wonder what I miss.
[19:33] <qengho> balloons: Er, it's in the source package. I don't know what you mean by "built".
[19:34] <balloons> xeranas, ok, so you wanted to add the objectName to the object. Did you do it?
[19:34] <balloons> qengho, autopkg tests are run at build time as you know :-)
[19:34] <balloons> I wonder if the new source has been built, and thus if the autopkg tests have run or not
[19:35] <balloons> that said, jibel is the one to talk to more than myself. If needed, we can followup via email
[19:35] <qengho> balloons: Er, source packages went into saucy-proposed yesterday and binaries landed in saucy today. I thought that was sufficient.
[19:36] <balloons> qengho, then I agree with you.. it should appear. Let me look
[19:36] <balloons> qengho, is the header setup right?
[19:37] <balloons> you got a quick link to the source?
[19:40] <qengho> balloons: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/saucy-proposed/files/head:/debian/
[19:41] <balloons> qengho, yep, quick glance looks fine. Let me take this conversation to email
[19:42] <qengho> chad@
[19:42] <balloons> qengho, yes I believe I have the address
[19:42] <balloons> the channel is logged, so don't post it here :-)
[19:46] <balloons> xeranas, did you see my response?
[19:46] <balloons> qengho, sorry I couldn't be of more help.. If you can be around during European hours folks should be more "live" to help you
[19:47] <qengho> balloons: Okay. Good night.
[19:47] <balloons> for now, I'll cc you on the email. good night~
[19:50] <balloons> xeranas_, or xeranas :-) Double-logins ;-) Did you see my response?
[19:51] <xeranas_> balloons: oh now I see, another login must be from other pc
[19:51] <balloons> xeranas_, ahh.. gotcha.. I was guessing you didn't get pinged when I replied
[19:53] <xeranas_> balloons: yea I just add objectName: "unknownTypeDialog" and by autopilot vis tool it still was blank. I wonder if it something special with "Dialog" object or I needed set in different place
[19:56] <balloons> xeranas_, generally when you add a name, add it to the lowest structure you can
[19:57] <balloons> xeranas_, so if Dialog has some children, give them objectNames -- it's likely you'll see those
[20:03] <xeranas_> balloons: can't check right now, but probably I miss check children's. Since test was simple I end up using custom select_single selector. It on review right now. I probably be gone for around 2 weeks due vocation. I hope I will not forget how autopilot basics in that time :D
[20:03] <balloons> xeranas_, I'm sure you won't! where's the review at? I can review it and get it merged :-)
[20:05] <xeranas_> balloons: https://code.launchpad.net/~xeranas/ubuntu-docviewer-app/unknown_file_type_test I think Anthony approved, but seems it still not in trunk
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, buona sera :)
[20:08] <balloons> xeranas_, I set it to approved so it would merge :-)
[20:09] <balloons> docviewer tests <3
[20:09] <balloons> Letozaf_, buona sera
[20:09] <balloons> come va?
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, bene e tu ?
[20:10] <balloons> bene
[20:10] <balloons> :-)
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, cool balloons speaks Italian :p
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, hehe
[20:10] <balloons> don't ask me to speak it with an accent
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-)
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, for the rssreader app test, I cannot get the canonical topic sweap for cancelling it
[20:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, what do you mean topic sweap?
[20:11] <balloons> xeranas_, if we don't speak again beforehand, have a wonderful vacation!
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) to delete a topic you need to sweap it (drag it) to the right or to the left
[20:12] <xeranas_> balloons: thanks, I hope it will not rain too much :)
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, is there docs somewhere other than here: http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/api/input.html
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, I sort of copied what was done in the calculator app but it's not working on the rssreader app
[20:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, the topic has a globalRect property but I get an error saying AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'globalRect'
[20:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, I can see the globalRect in vis tool
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. sweap = swipe :-)
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe it's not sweap but swipe :=
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah ! swipe not sweap :p
[20:17] <balloons> you would "swipe" the topic to delete it
[20:17] <balloons> it all makes sense now :-)
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[20:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok so to do that, I would do the following in code
[20:17] <balloons> touch the screen, drag X pixels to the right or left. Let go of screen
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:18] <balloons> so press, drag, release
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, there's code doing that. .one second
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, I used self.pointing_device.drag(x,y,  x, y)
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, where x y are x, y, h, w = canonicalTopic.globalRect
[20:19] <Letozaf_> sorry self.pointing_device.drag(x,y,  h/2, w/2)
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, you want the screen dimensions?
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, I thougt those were the topic rectangle ones :p
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, what are you going after? It's probably enough to just move say 30 pixels to the right or left
[20:20] <balloons> if you want to get the screen dimensions and scale from that you can
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, well let's do it the easiest way
[20:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, I though the globalRect property was the topic's dimensions
[20:21] <balloons> Letozaf_, you can see where I've done some of this
[20:21] <balloons>         qmlView = self.get_qml_view()
[20:21] <balloons>         startX = int(qmlView.x + qmlView.width * 0.10)
[20:21] <balloons>         stopX = int(qmlView.x + qmlView.width * 0.45)
[20:21] <balloons>         lineY = int(qmlView.y + qmlView.height * 0.05)
[20:21] <balloons>         self.autopilot.pointing_device.drag(startX, lineY, stopX, lineY)
[20:21] <balloons>         self.autopilot.pointing_device.move(startX, lineY)
[20:21] <balloons>         self.autopilot.pointing_device.click()
[20:22] <balloons> the get_qml_view() is simply         return self.app.select_single("QQuickView")
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, the problem is that the topic is not always at the same place ...
[20:22] <balloons> yes, but autopilot knows where the topic is. So find the topic and you have the coordinates to it
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, I found the topic with return self.app.select_many('LabelVisual', text = 'Canonical')
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, but I get an error when I try to use the globalRect property
[20:23] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, so you've got the topic. you can then move_to_object
[20:24] <balloons> then use position() to get the location and use that in the drag
[20:24] <balloons> make sense?
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, I also tried that, did not work :(
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe I did it wrong
[20:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh!
[20:24] <balloons> that's what I would have done.. I guess it's something a big more invovled?
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will try again :)
[20:24] <balloons> that should work imho
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons,  now I know I am doing the right thing, so I suppose I just have to try again
[20:25] <balloons> as usual, push the code to lp when your ready and I can look at it more closely :-)
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok fine, let me try again a bit, then if it doesn't work I will push the code
[20:44] <Noskcaj> balloons, I've nearly finished merging all the manual testcases, can you start on the tracker part?
[20:45] <balloons> Noskcaj, everything was synced yesterday, but I know there were 4 reviews yet to land when I did it
[20:45] <balloons> I'll see how much more needs to be added ;-)


[09:37] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Could you please apply the changes at http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce?view=revision&revision=8629 to ubuntu and upload ASAP? I didn't get a branch made before i left real internet access
[09:37] <Noskcaj> and weather plugin will break in 2 days if it's not
[09:37] <Noskcaj> thanks
[11:46] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I'll try to, travelling a lot starting in a few minutes, will try to do it from the hotel tonight
[11:52] <bluesabre> also need to upload new menulibre, its been stuck on PAPT for a week now
[11:52] <bluesabre> I'll take care of all that though
[11:52] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:52] <bluesabre> probably
[11:52] <bluesabre> :)
[11:54] <bluesabre> also, just curious, what happens in 2 days?
[16:45] <knome> work item from meeting done
[16:51] <knome> bluesabre, how's getting upload rights (added to the xubuntu packageset) for the ubiquity-slideshow is going?
[16:51] <knome> -is
[17:51] <knome> pleia2, duh, you beat me.
[21:30] <slickymaster> knome, there are at least two users complaining about being unable to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations
[21:30] <slickymaster> in the ML that is
[21:30] <knome> yes, lyz replied to them
[21:31] <pleia2> they both signed up to the lp team
[21:31] <slickymaster> ok, thanks pleia2
[21:31] <pleia2> sure
[21:31] <slickymaster> oh, btw pleia2, can I still wish you a happy birthday, even though I'm late :(
[21:32] <pleia2> of course! thank you :)
[21:32] <slickymaster> :)
[21:33] <knome> pleia2, what about the japanese mirrors?
[21:34] <slickymaster> knome, thanks for the improvement in that pad ^^
[21:34] <knome> np
[21:34] <knome> did you like the email as well?
[21:34] <slickymaster> yeaps
[21:35] <slickymaster> wouldn't change anythingn in it
[21:35] <slickymaster> well, I would remove a name
[21:35] <slickymaster> :P
[21:36] <knome> :D


[00:03] <n0wAnonymous> is there a way to compile unity without the launcher bar on ubuntu 14.04?
[09:53] <tsdgeos> (gdb) print object
[09:53] <tsdgeos> $8 = (QObject *) 0x1f352e0
[09:53] <tsdgeos> (gdb) print object->isWidgetType()
[09:53] <tsdgeos> Couldn't find method QObject::isWidgetType
[09:53] <tsdgeos> why
[09:53] <tsdgeos> ?
[09:57] <greyback_> I had thought that would just work
[09:57] <greyback_> would it be something which inherits QObject, but gdb didn't figure that out
[09:58] <tsdgeos> but it just told me :D
[09:58] <tsdgeos> i'm installing qtbase5-dbg just in case
[10:03] <tsdgeos> that "workde"
[10:03] <tsdgeos> (gdb) print object->isWidgetType()
[10:03] <tsdgeos> Cannot evaluate function -- may be inlined
[10:03] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:20] <tsdgeos> \o/
[10:20] <tsdgeos> i get the unity8 crash on the desktop too
[10:20] <tsdgeos> much easier to debug
[10:32] <greyback_> deep in the bowels of v4?
[10:40] <tsdgeos> greyback_: yeah but now i know who is the culprit
[10:40] <greyback_> cache?
[10:40] <tsdgeos> QQuickImage source property
[10:40] <tsdgeos> i mean
[10:40] <tsdgeos> sometimes it can't find it
[10:40] <tsdgeos> sometimes it can
[10:41] <greyback_> uitk does stuff to that
[10:41] <tsdgeos> yeah
[10:41] <tsdgeos> so that's good
[10:41] <greyback_> yep, it's our fault ;)
[10:42] <tsdgeos> well it may be
[10:42] <tsdgeos> uitk or the jit
[10:42] <tsdgeos> or maybe qt
[10:42] <tsdgeos> but it's narrowing stuff down :)
[10:43] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12020009/
[10:44] <tsdgeos> so sometimes propertyIndex 56 is valid
[10:44] <tsdgeos> sometimes not
[10:46] <greyback_> tsdgeos: on that rough topic, would there be any doc on how v4 works?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> not that i know
[10:46] <tsdgeos> but i'm far from a specialist
[10:46] <tsdgeos> i've only looked into it a few times
[10:47] <greyback_> I've wanted to read the code for it for some time now, hoped someone had a high level summary to help
[10:47] <tsdgeos> ask tronical
[16:12] <guest42345> file:///usr/share/unity8/Stages/SpreadDelegate.qml:271: TypeError: Cannot read property 'rotatesWindowContents' of null
[16:12] <guest42345> what does this mean? :|
[16:59] <dandrader> guest42345, it means there's a bug in the code. but shouldn't have any serious effect
[17:04] <guest42345> dandrader, oh. thanks


[04:14] <arjunaraoc> Hi, can some one tell the package  for "Install Ubuntu11.04"
[04:47] <Andre_Gondim> arjunaraoc, ubiquity
[06:44] <arjunaraoc> thx Andre_Gondim strangely the localised string is not included in beta 2 despite being available much before lang pack build date.
[12:43] <happyaron> Why `gcc --help' is still in English (all strings translated)?
[13:00] <RawChid> happyaron, which language?
[13:02] <RawChid> To give you some insight in translations: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gcc-4.4/+pots/gcc/
[13:07] <happyaron> RawChid: zh_CN
[13:07] <happyaron> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gcc-4.4/+pots/gcc/zh_CN/+translate


[05:30] <svij> nhaines: sure! :)
[05:32] <svij> nhaines: now I need to figure out if I can make it, must somehow fit in my new Uni and new job timetable, sigh.
[06:33] <nhaines> svij: I'm sure you can make it happen.  :)
[06:34] <svij> nhaines: I hope so :)
[06:35] <nhaines> I'll be crossing my fingers.  :)
[06:35] <svij> tomorrow Ubucon is starting and we're probably moving an social event, "yay" :-/
[06:35] <nhaines> haha
[06:37] <svij> there's a (kind of) demonstration on the same time against the restaurant, because they're not paying their employees properly… so we're hoping we find something today to move to another place
[06:37] <svij> oh well…
[06:37] <nhaines> Oh, I hope so then!
[06:42] <svij> atleast I'm sure that my name on the nameplate is written correctly :D (it wasn't the last two years)
[06:43] <nhaines> Hahaha
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10]  * nhaines hugs dholbach.
[07:10] <nhaines> Good morning!
[07:10] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[07:10]  * dholbach hugs you all :)
[07:11] <dholbach> it's release day!
[07:11] <nhaines> It is!  :D  Ooh, I should make sure they're not being dumb over on /r/Ubuntu.  Like trying to kill the release.ubuntu.com server yet.
[07:11] <nhaines> It's a lovely subreddit, but they do get excitable sometimes.  :)
[07:12] <dholbach> haha
[07:12] <dholbach> a bit like #ubuntu-release-party
[07:12] <svij> hey dholbach
[07:13] <svij> nhaines: oh, can you give me this ubuntu-flavor thing on reddit ( I'm /u/svijee over there)
[07:14] <nhaines> svij: done!
[07:15]  * svij hugs nhaines
[07:17] <dholbach> hey svij
[07:17] <dholbach> oohh, me too
[07:17] <dholbach> oohh, me too
[07:17] <dholbach> oohh, me too
[07:18] <dholbach> I'm dholbach
[07:18] <nhaines> dholbach: do you want a Canonical or Ubuntu one?  :)
[07:18] <dholbach> either works for me
[07:18] <dholbach> I always felt a bit naked without any of them
[07:19]  * svij first thought that dholbach wanted a hug from me. I was so wrong.
[07:19] <nhaines> dholbach: you have a Canonical flair.  If you decide you prefer the Ubuntu one later, just let me know.  :)
[07:21] <dholbach> will do - thanks a lot
[13:55] <nhaines> popey: thanks for the kind words over on the OMG Ubuntu article.  :)
[14:05] <popey> nhaines: np
[14:07] <nhaines> popey: I'd be less annoyed if he wasn't blaming me personally for the Ubuntu ISO disk size.  But sometimes that's life. :)
[17:32] <svij> popey: nhaines: I don't get why he constantly complaining everywhere… sigh.
[17:32] <wxl> who he what?
[17:33] <svij> wxl: this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/10/ubuntu-15-10-download-review-new-features#comment-2320639207
[17:34] <svij> hm, hope you see the answers from popey
[17:37] <wxl> seems like a strange way to attempt to resolve anything
[17:38] <svij> he did send a few emails to the judges of the contest and a few canonical guys in a mail, not really constructive
[17:39] <svij> I do understand his points, but I don't think that theyre "that bad" as he describes it
[17:39] <wxl> i like this one http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/10/ubuntu-15-10-download-review-new-features#comment-2320641801
[17:39] <svij> hahaha
[19:36] <wxl> elacheche: do you still need to be added to the ubuntu-tn mailing list admins?
[19:45] <elacheche_anis> wxl: I'm already the only admin, thanks to you wxl & PabloRubianes :) I already said that to you when I was added as the admin :)
[19:46] <wxl> ok i couldn't remember. thanks elacheche_anis
[19:46] <PabloRubianes> no problem elacheche_anis
[19:46] <PabloRubianes> :)
[19:48] <elacheche_anis> Thank YOU guys :)
[20:00] <MooDoo> evening


[12:21] <lool> Heywhat's /top
[12:21] <lool> Ups
[12:21] <lool> Hey
[12:21] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~peba is sending spam to a bunch of bugs
[12:21] <lool> maybe that's via the mail interface
[12:22] <lool> Is there a specific process for reporting SPAM sent to Launchpad?
[12:22] <lifeless> answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[12:24] <lool> thanks
[12:25] <dpm> may I bring bug 407260 to the attention of a maintenance squad? Every single project I've had to help with translations stumbled upon this, as there is no error message either. In short, we've got the awesome automatic exports feature, which many projects end up not using because they give up on setting it up
[12:33] <wallyworld_> dpm: thanks for the heads up. i'll bring it up in our next daily meeting and see if the priority can be raised
[12:34] <dpm> thanks wallyworld_, I appreciate it
[12:35] <wallyworld_> dpm: np. our next meeting is in around 9 hours or so. if you subscribe to that bug you'll see if/when it gets a priority bump or other attention
[12:36] <dpm> wallyworld_, ah, good point, I hadn't realised I wasn't subscribed. Done it now, thanks
[12:37] <wallyworld_> welcome
[14:12] <aquarius> I'm a bit confused about PPA builds. https://launchpad.net/~postler-dev/+archive/devel?field.series_filter=natty shows that that PPA contains both postler and dexter, and they're both successfully built. However, http://ppa.launchpad.net/postler-dev/devel/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages only shows dexter and not postler in that PPA. Has something just not caught up yet, or am I misinterpreting things?
[14:13] <bigjools> aquarius: postler failed to build
[14:13] <bigjools> but the source was already superseded
[14:13] <bigjools> old source, that is
[14:14] <aquarius> bigjools, it failed to build 32 hours ago, but it successfully built 8h30m ago?
[14:14] <bigjools> aquarius: the natty version was uploaded on the 28th, the maverick version was 8 hours ago
[14:14] <aquarius> oh!
[14:15] <aquarius> haha.
[14:15] <bigjools> look at the "view package details" page and all is clear :)
[14:15] <aquarius> ooh, I didn't see that page. https://launchpad.net/~postler-dev/+archive/devel/+packages is most useful! Now I get it :)
[14:15]  * aquarius moves one small step closer to enlightenment
[14:15] <bigjools> yeah, we tried to split the page into user-focused versus developer focused ones
[14:16] <bigjools> the latest updates portlet needs series info in it really
[15:27] <Daviey> is code hosting read only atm?
[15:28] <Daviey> ah, scrub that
[17:28] <shadeslayer> hi can someone change the pull url of this https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/amarok/master
[17:28] <shadeslayer> to git://anongit.kde.org/amarok
[17:39] <leonardr> shadeslayer, do you still need help? it looks like you're messing around with https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/amarok/master_old
[17:39] <shadeslayer> leonardr: yeah yofel fixed it :)
[17:39] <leonardr> ok
[17:40] <yofel> that branch can be deleted, once I get the owner of the recipe to switch his recipe branch
[19:04] <psusi> is lp generally unable to track bugs in the debian bts?  or is there something wrong with bug #161126?  It says that the debian bug appears not to exist, check that the bug number is correct, but clicking the link works fine and brings up the debian bug
[19:08] <Ge0rG> hi... I'm using launchpad for translating a project, and I'd like to have a list of all translators who contributed. is it possible to obtain it without scrapping the website?
[19:08] <leonardr> psusi: where are you seeing that error? i see two bug watches on debian bugs, and they both work
[19:09] <leonardr> Ge0rG: i don't think so. it doesn't show up in the web service apidoc
[19:09] <Ge0rG> I get the last contributor of each language from the po export, but thats... suboptimal
[19:09] <dpm> Ge0rG, what framework are you using to develop your app (gtk, qt, something else...) you can get the list of contributors from the translator-credits msgid and display it automatically on the About dialog
[19:10] <psusi> leonardr: two?  I see only one and it is still showing status new.  In the assigned to column there is a little yellow triangle with an exclamation point and when I mouse over it, I see "Debian bug tracker bug #505831 not to exist.  Check that the bug number is correct"
[19:10] <Ge0rG> dpm: I'm using android with a custom xml2po wrapper
[19:11] <Ge0rG> dpm: my problem with translator-credits is that "-" is not legal in the androids XML syntax
[19:11] <psusi> also when I expand the deian task, there is a big box with a big red minus icon that also says that bug number does not exist
[19:11] <psusi> but the bug does exist and is closed...
[19:11] <leonardr> psusi: ah. if you look in the right column you'll see the same bug as a bug watch, plus a bug watch for debian bug 316238
[19:11] <dpm> Ge0rG, perhaps you can use a workaround and use what the KDE people use instead of translator-credits. Let me check what it is...
[19:12] <psusi> hrm... also strangely, the remote watch: section when expanded seems duplicated... it has two dials for None, the status of the bug is updated manually, and then two dials for debian bug tracker, bugs #316238 and #505831.  this is weird.
[19:13] <dpm> Ge0rG, they use the special "Your names" and "Your emails" msgid. If "translator-credits" does not work, perhaps this might:
[19:13] <dpm> http://i18n.kde.org/docs/translation-howto/getting-credit.html
[19:14] <Ge0rG> dpm: also, how is "translator-credits" translated into english?
[19:14] <psusi> leonardr: so lp is confused by having two bugs linked?
[19:14] <leonardr> psusi: i don't know. it shouldn't be a problem. maybe sinzui has a clue
[19:15] <leonardr> maybe at one point the debian bug server was inaccessible and that wedged the launchpad side of the system
[19:15] <dpm> Ge0rG, what do you mean? translator-credits is a special msgid that translators translate by adding their names and e-mails to its corresponding msgstr
[19:16] <psusi> it says The information about this bug in Launchpad is automatically pulled daily from the remote bug. This information was last pulled on 2011-02-28.
[19:17] <leonardr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/161126/+watch/49008 says "Update failed with error 'Bug Not Found' on 2011-02-28"
[19:17] <psusi> so, bug in lp?
[19:19] <leonardr> probably
[19:19] <sinzui> psusi: leonardr: I do not now much about this. deryck and gmb do. I do not think they are online at this time
[19:19] <leonardr> launchpad is getting its debian bug information from a database. the database may be out of sync with debian
[19:19] <Ge0rG> dpm: oh, its a manual process? I thought the 'translation' was generated automatically by the backend?
[19:20] <psusi> so I should file a bug against lp right?
[19:20] <leonardr> that's all i can figure out
[19:20] <leonardr> yeah
[19:20] <leonardr> give it to deryck and he'll take a look
[19:21] <dpm> Ge0rG, ah, actually, you're right. In the traditional method where translators translate offline, they add the credits manually, but in Launchpad this is done automatically for them as soon as they've contributed a translation
[19:21] <sinzui> users can report multiple watches. Lp pulls debian's bugs though a different system that other bug trackers. There were times in the past where we were way out of sync. I believe this year we have kept pace...
[19:21] <sinzui> except the message about the bug not existing imlies something is a miss.
[19:22] <Ge0rG> dpm: so, if I use my software with LANG=C, will it display 'translator-credits' verbatim?
[19:22] <psusi> hrm.. seems to already be a bug filed on it... https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/605923
[19:22] <psusi> maybe it needs its priority bumped up?  and assign to deryck you say?
[19:23] <sinzui> Do not assign the bug
[19:24] <sinzui> We only commit to work on critical operational issues and high features we are commissioned to develop
[19:25] <leonardr> sinzui: i've asked deryck to look at the bug, without assigning it to him
[19:25] <sinzui> I think someone should retriage the bug to state what the probable cause is so that we understand the labour involved in fixing the issue
[19:25] <dpm> Ge0rG, I think this depends on how the toolkit used implements this. In gtk, the behaviour seems to be the following: when launching the application in a non-C locale, you get the credits for translators in that locale on the About dialog. When launching the application in the C locale you get no translator credits at all on the About dialog (which makes sense, as no one translates into the C locale)
[19:25] <Ge0rG> is it possible to skip the review of uploaded translation files for open-permissions projects?
[19:26] <leonardr> sinzui: i think that someone should be deryck, since he can probably figure out the cause
[19:26] <Ge0rG> dpm: ah, so it is not listing _all_ translators but only the ones of the displayed language. makes some sense as well, thanks
[19:26] <dpm> yes
[19:27] <dpm> Ge0rG, once the template has been imported, there shouldn't be any review at all necessary for open-permissions projects. Translations just get imported. In any case, I'd really recommend you to use automatic translation imports and exports, which will let you get your templates approved quicker
[19:28] <dpm> Ge0rG, https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/BestPractices tells you how to set up automatic imports and exports
[19:30] <Ge0rG> dpm: auto-importing does not work because I only have the android xml in SCM, not the .po version
[19:31] <Ge0rG> dpm: so whenever I change the template, I upload the .pot file and have to wait for some hours/days :(
[19:31] <dpm> Ge0rG, oh, I see. Have you considered keeping the generated .pot file from the xml source in version control? That would allow you to use automatic imports and not have to wait for days
[19:31] <dpm> so every time you do a .pot file commit, the new template gets imported in a matter of minutes
[19:32] <Ge0rG> dpm: I'd rather prefer to have the permission to upload new pot files for my project without manual approval
[19:40] <dpm> Ge0rG, it's not a matter of permissions, but rather to make a sanity check to avoid getting invalid templates uploaded. In any case, two things: 1) Why do you prefer doing a manual upload when a more automatic process is available? 2) Even if you still prefer to do manual uploads, you shouldn't be waiting for several days on every upload, unless you are renaming the template each time. Manual review is only required the first time ever a template is upload
[19:40] <dpm> ed. After that, any subsequent imports should happen without the need of waiting for days.
[19:50] <Ge0rG> dpm: 1) the projects use xml instead of .po and are managed in git vs. bzr, making automatic imports and exports more cumbersome. 2) I am not sure which part of the .pot file is the template name. I am just uploading the .pot using the "import" function, and it is pending review every time
[19:55] <dpm> Ge0rG, 1) You just need to commit the .pot file in git, and the bzr import branch -assuming you're using one- should take care of all the rest (I'm not trying to argue what the best workflow is for you btw, I'm just trying to help) 2) Sorry, by the template name, I meant the template path actually. This can be either the name of the pot file e.g. appname.pot or its location in the source tree. Can you give me a link to your project, so I can have a look at
[19:55] <dpm>  it?
[19:57] <Ge0rG> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/aprsdroid/master/ - I'm always uploading the file as aprsdroid.pot
[19:57] <dpm> thanks, let me have a look...
[20:01] <Ge0rG> dpm: not sure if the http post frontend is mangling the filename...
[20:02] <dpm> brb
[20:05] <Ge0rG> dpm: just ping me here or via query, I'll keep idling as well
[20:14] <dpm> Ge0rG, I've approved the template. It should get imported soon, and subsequent uploads should get approved automatically. If that's not the case, please tell us on this channel the next time. In any case, I've noticed that you specify Last-Translator and some other fields on the pot template. You should probably leave them empty so it looks similar to http://paste.ubuntu.com/574122/
[20:18] <Ge0rG> dpm: they have been auto-added by xml2po. I can re-upload the file right now to see if it works now :)
[20:19] <Ge0rG> dpm: it lands in the "needs review" category again.
[20:19]  * Ge0rG deletes.
[20:23] <dpm> Ge0rG, ok, I hadn't thought xml2po would add Last-Translator as well. Yeah, it will always land in "Needs Review", but once the template I've approved is imported, they should go from "Needs Review" to "Approved" automatically
[20:26] <Ge0rG> dpm: thank you for your help
[20:29] <dpm> Ge0rG, no worries :-)
[20:37] <aboettger1> plz help: debuild -S gives me : gmusicbrowser-art source: binary-arch-rules-but-pkg-is-arch-indep
[20:37] <aboettger1> what is wrong?
[20:38] <micahg> aboettger1: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-packaging
[20:38] <aboettger1> thank you
[21:49] <poolie> https://launchpad.net/~registry says, for me, "You are a member of the team that owns this team. You are not currently an active member"
[21:49] <poolie> that seems probably wrong
[21:49] <wgrant> Why?
[21:50] <wgrant> Hmm.
[21:50] <wgrant> Indeed, you're in ~canonical-bazaar...
[21:51] <poolie> can you be the owner and not be effectively a member?
[21:52] <poolie> also, yes, i'm in canonical-bazaar
[21:55] <wgrant> poolie: The owner is partly effectively a member.
[21:55] <wgrant> ANd soon we hope to remove that partial effective membership.
[21:55] <wgrant> Because it is confusing and a performance problem.
[21:57] <poolie> but the owner team is also a member team
[21:57] <poolie> so i seem to be a member through two different paths
[21:57] <wgrant> Just noticed that.
[21:57] <wgrant> Interesting.
[22:02] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/727445
[22:39] <mwhudson> huh, that's a fun one
[22:40] <mwhudson> i guess TeamParticipation is corrupted some how, will be "interesting" to figure out why
[22:41] <Ampelbein> hi there! I'm getting Timeout errors (e.g. OOPS-1886L2173 or OOPS-1886F2364) when converting bugs to a question.
[22:42] <micahg> Ampelbein: bug 438116
[22:45] <Ampelbein> micahg: thanks.
[22:54] <micahg> anyone around that can rescore a couple builds?
[22:55] <wgrant> micahg: Possibly. Which and why?
[22:56] <micahg> wgrant: sparc builds for security stuff
[22:56] <wgrant> Ah, you'll need a real admin for private builds.
[22:56] <wgrant> mbarnett: ^^
[22:56] <micahg> wgrant: no, they're public builds
[22:56] <wgrant> Ah, I can do that.
[22:57] <mbarnett> whee!
[22:57] <wgrant> micahg: Which builds?
[22:57] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2276176, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2276189
[22:58] <wgrant> micahg: Rescored.
[22:58] <micahg> and can you rescore this one just under those: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2280453
[22:58] <Nijabo> I'm having problems importing my GPG finger print into Launchpad.
[22:58] <micahg> in case the sparc builders decide to kick the bucket again later
[22:59] <wgrant> micahg: I'm not sure this is going to make too much of a difference.
[22:59] <wgrant> But we'll see.
[22:59] <Nijabo> I've copied the output from the terminal but I get an error message.
[22:59] <wgrant> Nijabo: What's the message?
[22:59] <Nijabo> Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key
[22:59] <Nijabo> Did you enter your complete fingerprint correctly? (Help with fingerprints)
[22:59] <Nijabo> Is your key in the Ubuntu keyserver yet? You may have to wait between ten minutes (if you pushed directly to the Ubuntu key server) and one hour (if you pushed your key to another server). (Help with publishing keys)
[23:00] <wgrant> Nijabo: What's your key ID?
[23:00] <wgrant> And fingerprint?
[23:00] <Nijabo> is it safe to post that?
[23:00] <wgrant> Nijabo: Yes, the fingerprint and ID are public information.
[23:00] <Nijabo> Oh
[23:01] <Nijabo> 0AF8AF2C (key ID, as far as I can gather) and fingerprint: 00E5 64B7 AE18 E05D B128  ACC9 F369 1699 0AF8 AF2C
[23:01] <wgrant> They identify your public key.
[23:01] <wgrant> Thanks.
[23:01] <wgrant> Checking.
[23:01] <micahg> wgrant: ugh, sorry to keep bugging you, but can this one be 12000 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2276189 and this one 10000 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2280453
[23:01] <Nijabo> Cheers
[23:01] <micahg> I need the xulrunner one done first
[23:01] <wgrant> Nijabo: It lookslike it should work now. Can you try again?
[23:02] <wgrant> micahg: The xulrunner build is already 100000.
[23:02] <micahg> wgrant: ah, I don't think it shows 9999 in teh web interface
[23:02] <micahg> wgrant: nevermind :)
[23:04] <micahg> wgrant: thanks for your help
[23:04] <wgrant> micahg: Hopefully the builders won't break again :/
[23:04] <micahg> right, this is the third or fourth time we've requested them restarted in the past week
[23:05] <wgrant> I hope to get logs from them at some point.
[23:05] <wgrant> lamont: ^^?
[23:05] <Nijabo> Now it worked wgrant, thanks a lot :)
[23:06] <lamont> micahg: I'm babysitting both sparc builders now, watching them build a couple of longish, still building pacages, and we'll see how they fare when they're done... then I'm going to dump the lot on wgrant
[23:07] <micahg> ugh, that kernel got in which means I only have one sparc builder for my firefox builds
[23:07] <micahg> lamont: thanks
[23:11] <wgrant> lamont: Thanks.
[23:25] <Nijabo> I hate to trouble you again, but I'm having problems importing my public SSH key. I have followed the steps and I've copied the content of ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub into the field. But I get an "Invalid public key" message.
[23:26] <Nijabo> rsa.pub*
[23:26] <wgrant> Nijabo: Is that a new key?
[23:26] <Nijabo> Just generated it I think
[23:26] <wgrant> You probably don't want a DSA key.
[23:27] <wgrant> Which instructions did you follow?
[23:27] <Nijabo> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[23:27] <wgrant> That seems to generate an RSA key. Do you have a ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub?
[23:27] <Nijabo> Yup
[23:27] <Nijabo> Tried to enter it but it said it was invalid
[23:28] <wgrant> You said that was id_*d*sa.pub
[23:29] <Nijabo> id_rsa.pub is the filename my mistake
[23:29] <wgrant> Aha.
[23:29] <wgrant> So, it should have one line it it, with three space-separated parts.
[23:30] <wgrant> ssh-rsa SOMEBASE64 SOMECOMMENT
[23:30] <wgrant> Copy that whole thing onto the page.
[23:30] <Nijabo> is that Comment seperated with a +?
[23:30] <wgrant> It should be a space.
[23:30] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~wgrant/+sshkeys
[23:30] <Nijabo> Weird I have ssh-rsa BLAWH...+BDAWH...$


[10:40] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you really are very discouraging on your comment
[10:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah... sorry.. but it really feels too dangerous... you're mixing thread contexts a lot in here
[10:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: if you want we can do a hangout and talk about it
[10:41] <tsdgeos> no i don't want
[10:41] <tsdgeos> i have better things to do thatn convincing you
[10:41] <tsdgeos> you can propose something that works
[10:42] <tsdgeos> since you think the whole approach is crap
[10:42] <tsdgeos> and can't be salvaged
[10:42] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: well, do you see my concerns at least or do you think I'm wrong?
[10:43] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i do see that you don't think the code is fixable
[10:43] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah... just adding more mutexes I think won't cut it here
[10:43] <tsdgeos> you're wrong
[10:43] <mzanetti> ok
[10:43] <tsdgeos> but i don't feel free to instruct you
[10:44] <tsdgeos> well you're actaully right
[10:44] <tsdgeos> i don't even need any more mutex
[10:44] <mzanetti> but I'd like to know where I'm wrong
[10:44] <tsdgeos> but wathever
[10:44] <tsdgeos> then you should have worded your review better
[10:45] <mzanetti> and asking you now to explain me where I'm wrong doesn't help any more?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> meh i hate being sick
[10:48] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ok, let's start with the first
[10:49] <tsdgeos> tell me when why i need a mutex in worker->m_reply
[10:54] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ok... that's probably indeed not needed. I thought the abort case is problematic there
[10:54] <mzanetti> no... it's not... ok
[10:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, eat a snickers!
[10:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: don't have one at hand, going outside the building will just increase my sickness/grumpyness :D
[10:56] <Saviq> :)
[10:56]  * Saviq looks for same-day amazon snickers delivery
[10:57] <mzanetti> if you find that, don't tell me where
[10:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ok, want me to add a comment why since you got confused by it? Do you have a suggestion on the wording of the comment?
[10:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: no :D feel free to call me anything you want
[10:57] <tsdgeos> oh wait you still think the code can't be fixed
[10:57] <mzanetti> well, the main reason was the other comment
[10:57] <tsdgeos> so problably no point on adding a comment
[10:59] <tsdgeos> ok the other comment
[11:03] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you're right that that looks pretty dangerous and i guess it's only working because qtquick is doing some delayed connection of stuff somewhere, but adding a simple QMetaObject::invokeMethod with Qt::QueuedConnection fixes your issue, doesn't it?
[11:03] <mzanetti> let me have a look
[11:08] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: right... making setSourceSize invokable and onvoking that queed would probably do it
[11:08]  * mzanetti tries again
[11:08] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: right... making setSourceSize invokable and invoking that queued would probably do it
[11:11] <mzanetti> ok, well then, thanks for explaining. Changing my vote to a needs fixing. Can you also please add a comment for the first question?
[11:14] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: is the ignoreAbort really needed? I mean, if the future is working already, the reply is already finished and abort won't do anything any more, no?
[11:15] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it clears the data from the reply
[11:15] <mzanetti> oh, really... didn't know that
[11:15] <tsdgeos> me neither
[11:15] <mzanetti> ok then it is needed indeed
[11:15] <tsdgeos> got lots of interesting crashes/errors because of that
[11:15] <mzanetti> I can imagine
[11:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fun times http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8938872/ :|
[11:16] <tsdgeos> damn
[11:17] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i guess we can't repro, no?
[11:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually we can, but it needs to be timed
[11:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, happens with mterry's branch to skip the second PIN unlock screen if emergency dialer is up
[11:17] <tsdgeos> i see
[11:18] <tsdgeos> if we can kind of repro this i don't think it'd be that hard to fix
[11:19] <Saviq> let's see how often I can get this
[11:19] <facundobatista> Hola!
[11:19] <mzanetti> o/
[11:23] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: any suggestion for the comment?
[11:24] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: // worker->m_reply is always valid at this point
[11:24] <tsdgeos> seems a bit weeak
[11:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah, elaborate a bit more please. something like: m_reply has finished at this point and won't be touched any more
[11:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: can we do such changes in control files now or will that still break with ~rtm? https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity8/set-inline-reply-hint/+merge/240766
[11:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, it'd have to be "translated" to rtm, the upstream version should have been bumped instead
[11:40] <seb128> mzanetti, I should append a ~ to the version
[11:40] <Saviq> seb128, well, we need to be able to depend on that change in u-s-c
[11:40] <seb128> oh, in fact there is no revision there
[11:40] <seb128> so it should be fine
[11:40] <Saviq> seb128, but > 20141105 in rtm might not include that change
[11:41] <seb128> Saviq, mzanetti, we don't want those changes in rtm anyway
[11:41] <Saviq> seb128, not now, but we'll have the same problem for ota
[11:41] <seb128> we have a workaround for rtm
[11:41] <seb128> Saviq, k, feel free to change it to suit your workflow better
[11:41] <mzanetti> ok... works for me then... I just wanted to make sure as we broke the train with such things a couple of times already
[11:42] <Saviq> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-settings-components/define-text-hint-property/+merge/240706/comments/593655
[11:48] <seb128> Saviq, k
[12:18] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: actually i'm not sure i can do the invokemethod thing, in my mind invokemethod with a delayed connection should be smart enough to not crash if the receiving object goes away, but i am reading the code and seems it is not :/
[12:18] <tsdgeos> reading more
[12:19] <tsdgeos> not a trivial amount of code
[12:19] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: it is not
[12:19] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: QPointer helps with that though
[12:19]  * mzanetti digs out some code
[12:19] <tsdgeos> sure, but i can't qpointerize Qt code ;)
[12:20] <tsdgeos> yeah i can add yet another intermediate object
[12:20] <tsdgeos> meh
[12:20] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: https://gitorious.org/xbmcremote/xbmcremote/source/44687da6c75326be456d5778d728afcbf1a2386e:libxbmcremote/imagecache.cpp#L167
[12:21] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: you'd just need to hold the target in a QPointer yourself. the data will be smart enough to go to 0 which in turn makes the invoke smart enough
[12:21] <mzanetti> invoke just fails if you have a valid address for an invalid object
[12:21] <tsdgeos> qt should add the qpointer in QPostEvent
[12:21] <mzanetti> yeah, I guess it should
[12:21] <mzanetti> not sure about other ramifications with that though
[12:21] <tsdgeos> but i guess it would be slower
[12:23] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[12:23] <tsdgeos> i don't see how that works at all
[12:23] <mzanetti> the code I linked?
[12:23] <tsdgeos> yeah, i mean .data() returns a qobject no?
[12:24] <mzanetti> or 0 if it went away
[12:24] <tsdgeos> sure
[12:24] <mzanetti> yeah, invokeMethod(0) doesn't do anything
[12:24] <tsdgeos> but the problem is if it goes away *after* i call invokeMetho
[12:24] <tsdgeos> not before
[12:24] <mzanetti> uh oh
[12:24] <tsdgeos> before i know it's there
[12:24]  * mzanetti thinks about it
[12:24] <tsdgeos> i have a mutex for that :D
[12:26] <mzanetti> A programmer had a problem. He thought to himself, "I know, I'll solve it with threads!". has Now problems. two he
[12:26] <greyback> I've always worked under the assumption that invoke doesn't watch the lifetime of the object you pass it
[12:28] <mzanetti> greyback: it doesn't
[12:29] <greyback> well I've been right all this time so :)
[12:29] <mzanetti> greyback: the problem we're facing now is that even though we watch it ourselves, there might be the possibility of it going away in between we call invoke() and it actually happening
[12:30] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: well, signal/slot connection otherwise, that should be clever enough to disconnect it/ check it when it actually happens
[12:31] <greyback> mzanetti: yep. signal/slot ideal then
[12:35] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: on the other hand http://paste.ubuntu.com/8940082/ works just fine
[12:35] <tsdgeos> and valgrind does not complain at all
[12:35] <tsdgeos> so it seems indeed somewhere is seeing that has to remove the post
[12:36] <mzanetti> does invokeMethod use postEvent in the end?
[12:36] <tsdgeos> yep
[12:36] <tsdgeos> if it's a queued one
[12:37] <mzanetti> hmm. ok. then I guess we're good. also I didn't have any troubles with that xbmcremote code I posted above. and it's been in use for quite a while now
[12:37] <tsdgeos>         QCoreApplication::postEvent(object, new QMetaCallEvent(idx_offset, idx_relative, callFunction,
[12:37] <tsdgeos>                                                         0, -1, nargs, types, args));
[12:37] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: you still need the QPointer before the invokation though as it will break passing an invalid address
[12:37] <tsdgeos> now i want to read the code again to see where it's removing it from the even list
[12:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: no i don't
[12:38] <mzanetti> or well, some other means of making sure it's there
[12:38] <tsdgeos> it's guaranteed the pointer is valid at that point
[12:38] <mzanetti> ok
[12:40] <tsdgeos> ah right qobject destructor does
[12:40] <tsdgeos>     if (postedEvents)
[12:40] <tsdgeos>         QCoreApplication::removePostedEvents(q_ptr, 0);
[12:40] <tsdgeos> so yeah we're good
[12:41] <mzanetti> aha! cool
[12:43] <tsdgeos> so basically you need to guarantee the object is valid until the end of the invokeMethod Queued call
[12:43] <tsdgeos> after that you're fine filling it
[12:43] <tsdgeos> killing it
[12:44] <mzanetti> yep
[13:16] <Saviq> cwayne, hey, can you assign bug #1389192 somewhere?
[13:16] <Saviq> and bug #1389195
[13:22] <mzanetti> dednick: hey, is this still needed? https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/axis.calculator.first.position/+merge/174262
[13:30] <cwayne> Saviq: ugh, i marked invalid, will do so again and move to hanloon
[13:31] <ragnarock> Hi guys ,I am facing some screen issues in my asus x550l 14.10.can I contact  to someone for support and fixing this thing
[13:32] <Saviq> cwayne, yeah, I know you did, but Matthew just re-confirmed it again, don't we have a public project that we could assign to?
[13:33] <cwayne> Saviq: no because it's a private scope
[13:33] <Saviq> :/
[13:33] <cwayne> Saviq: i just logged the same bug in hanloon and marked this one invalid
[13:33] <Saviq> cwayne, sounds like it's gonna ping-pong back to you
[13:33] <Saviq> or well, me
[13:34] <cwayne> Saviq: i commented with the new bug url
[13:34] <Saviq> ok thanks
[13:34] <cwayne> sorry, just get mad that i talked to him on irc and told him this was a private scope that shouldn't have public bugs, bit frustrating when people don't listen
[14:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, I noticed recently that BFB does not reset the dash to apps properly any more if you have a temp scope open (e.g. store)
[14:07] <Saviq> works if you're in/over Manage Scopes, but not otherwise
[14:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, I also had a feature proposal for Tagger - would be nice to have a history of recognized codes, otherwise I had to take photos and then try and recognize them after (which didn't always work depending on how the photo came out)
[14:15]  * Saviq goes back to filing bugs
[14:22] <dednick> mzanetti: hm. nope, that's kinda old
[14:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok, yeah, please file some bugs, will implement it when I touch tagger the next time
[14:35] <mzanetti> Saviq: can we drop this? https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fox-clock-formatting/+merge/198843
[14:35] <mzanetti> its from 2013 too
[14:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, done
[14:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, I got stuck on lockscreen, no crash, did you get anywhere with investigating that?
[14:37] <mzanetti> let me find the bug
[14:37]  * Saviq is installing dbg symbols right now, but there's a suspect "recvmsg" in the top thread
[14:38] <mzanetti> hmm, interesting
[14:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: so I personally only ever saw this when being away from a computer
[14:59] <tsdgeos> damn, it's a pain that vivid and rtm are not compatible
[14:59]  * tsdgeos flashes mako with vivid
[15:06] <tsdgeos> devel-proposed is now vivid, right
[15:06] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[18:08] <mhall119> Trevinho_: ping
[19:35] <mhall119> Trevinho_: bregma: we still don't have any session on Unity 7 for UOS
[19:35] <mhall119> I think, given the more user/consumer focus of UOS, that we really should have a session on how to use (and get the most out of) the current default desktop
[19:40] <mhall119> kgunn: we also have no session on Mir, which I think we really need both to talk about what currently works (screenshots now in Unity 8, which is awesome) as well as what's planned for the future (especially concerning desktop feature support)
[19:45] <kgunn> mhall119: i lost connection for a bit....so what's the also
[19:45] <mhall119> kgunn: we also have no session on Mir, which I think we really need both to talk about what currently works (screenshots now in Unity 8, which is awesome) as well as what's planned for the future (especially concerning desktop feature support)
[19:46] <mhall119> kgunn: before the "also" was be asking Trevinho_ and bregma for Unity 7 sessions
[19:48] <mhall119> kgunn: there's a lot of confusion and open questions about what desktop features Mir will support, UOS is a great opportunity to clear tha tup
[20:24] <kgunn> mhall119: i proposed this
[20:24] <kgunn> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/kgunn72/meetings
[20:24] <kgunn> if i could thurs late morning that'd be great
[20:34] <mhall119> kgunn: thanks, I've added it to the Ubuntu Development track
[20:34] <mhall119> will ping those track leads to review it
[20:35] <kgunn> mhall119: i figure i'll show up with a semi-scrubbed roadmap and just talk thru with some time for Q&A
[20:38] <mhall119> kgunn: sounds like a plan, thanks


[19:41] <SilverLion> o/ everyone!
[19:55] <mhall119> hi SilverLion
[19:55] <elfy> hi SilverLion :)
[19:55] <SilverLion> aaaah ^^ the big and famous mhall119
[19:55] <SilverLion> :D
[19:55] <mhall119> heh, 15 minutes later and elfy and I post at nearly the same second
[19:55] <belkinsa> lol
[19:55]  * mhall119 is hardly famous :-P
[19:56] <SilverLion> doing all those hangouts makes you famous :P
[19:56] <belkinsa> I think popey is as famous as mhall119.  ;)
[19:56] <popey> no wai
[19:56] <mhall119> popey is far more famous
[19:56] <elfy> mhall119: lol
[19:56] <belkinsa> And Daniel.
[19:56] <mhall119> it's the sideburns
[19:56] <popey> SIDEBURNS OF POW-AAAAA!
[19:56] <SilverLion> when ever I am watching an ubuntu hangout its mhall119 doing it
[19:56] <mhall119> oh geez, nobody compares to dholbach
[19:56] <belkinsa> And Mr.Baconater (jono) is too.
[19:57] <mhall119> who?
[19:57] <SilverLion> she is refering to jono bacon
[19:57] <belkinsa> jono Bacon.
[19:57] <mhall119> oh right, that guy who did some community stuff or something.....
[19:57] <elfy> some guy
[19:57] <mhall119> :)
[19:57] <elfy> old news now :p
[19:58] <belkinsa> Hey jono, are you going to do another Q&A?
[19:58] <mhall119> yeah, the internet has been lacking in your precense lately
[19:58] <mhall119> and you've got stuff to talk about now
[20:00] <jono> belkinsa, when I get some time I hope to :-)
[20:01] <belkinsa> Cool.
[20:17] <SilverLion> hey jono hope you're doing good ;)
[20:38] <mhall119> jono: almost half-way to your crowdfunding goal, not bad
[20:38] <mhall119> still a bit disappointed that I can't enter an Ubuntu app though :)


[00:08] <awilkins> daftykins, have got it working
[00:08] <awilkins> daftykins, not passthrough AFAIK
[00:09] <daftykins> so just getting stereo from 5 channels or decoding a surround audio'd film to it?
[00:09] <awilkins> Watching Oblivion on Netflix in Chrome
[00:09] <awilkins> Seems to have all the appropriate postitional noises
[00:10] <awilkins> And bowel juddering
[00:10]  * diddledan loses his bowels
[00:10] <awilkins> Small "decode" light on my speaker console is lit
[00:10] <daftykins> ah i don't know what Netflix'd do re: audio
[00:10] <diddledan> yey for another ssl vuln
[00:10] <diddledan> logjam!
[00:11] <daftykins> \o/
[00:11] <diddledan> because no vulnerability is worth it's salt without a catchy name
[00:11] <daftykins> diddledan: gotta catch 'em all
[00:11] <awilkins> The speaker test correctly makes the speakers speak
[00:11] <diddledan> obviously I mean salt in the non-cryptographic sense :-p
[00:11] <awilkins> Not tried a DVD yet
[00:11]  * diddledan jams logs in the loo
[00:12] <daftykins> is that this loo-owl i keep hearing of?
[00:12] <diddledan> well I wasn't the one who mentioned bowel juddering!
[00:12] <daftykins> awilkins: sounds like passthrough to me ^_^ aka bitstreaming
[00:13] <diddledan> steaming pile of bits :-p
[00:13] <daftykins> anyone ever try out ultraviolet btw?
[00:13] <awilkins> Had to do this thing to PulseAudio to make it use the 5.1
[00:13] <diddledan> yeah I use uv
[00:13] <diddledan> but I'm on 'dows
[00:13] <daftykins> same sir
[00:13] <daftykins> if you buy a DVD only copy do you get the aitch-dee stream?
[00:13] <diddledan> don't you love how "'dows" can be so easily misspelt as 'dos
[00:13] <awilkins> All my vidya-rips are stereo because I made them for my tablet, I think
[00:13] <daftykins> eww :D
[00:13] <diddledan> no, a dvd will only give an SD digital copy
[00:14] <daftykins> aww that's rude
[00:14] <diddledan> indeed
[00:14] <daftykins> it's ok i didn't buy a film, just thought about it up at the boss'
[00:14] <daftykins> as i was adding some of his collection onto the file server today
[00:14] <diddledan> because you didn't license it in HD when you bought the license in sainsburys - because we all know we license the movie on a dvd
[00:15] <diddledan> having a physical disc doesn't mean we "own" anything
[00:16] <diddledan> I've had good success with the bluray ripping thing
[00:16] <diddledan> can't remember what it's called
[00:16]  * awilkins plays a DTS 5.1 tet vid on Youtibe
[00:16] <awilkins> Ok, that doesn't work properly
[00:16] <awilkins> Front left also coming from rear left
[00:17] <diddledan> makemkv
[00:17] <diddledan> thassit I think
[00:18] <awilkins> Maybe it's the browse as a player
[00:18] <daftykins> yeah i have swapped out the libs on my HTPC with makemkv and that made Kodi play bluray
[00:18] <diddledan> of course now we've got 4k bluray looks a bit blurray
[00:19] <awilkins> Ok, so VLC correctly identifies this as a DTS file
[00:20] <awilkins> But no sound
[00:20] <awilkins> Gnnarg
[00:20] <daftykins> did you enable Dolby digital 5.1 bitstreaming but not DTS?
[00:20] <daftykins> that's the theory anyway, not the practice
[00:21] <awilkins> I have a "Digital Surround 5.1" device
[00:21] <awilkins> The "Advanced" tab with the DTS option box isn't enabled
[00:25] <awilkins> Interesting. The DTS file blocks all the other audio
[00:25] <daftykins> yeah bitstreaming typically owns a device
[00:26] <awilkins> But it's silent
[00:26] <daftykins> is your receiver capable 0o
[00:26] <awilkins> It has a wee DTS digital surround logo on it
[00:26] <daftykins> ah
[00:26] <awilkins> This is a DTS-hd file
[00:27] <awilkins> This may be the problem?
[00:27] <daftykins> definitely
[00:28] <daftykins> but typically those files still contain a DTS core audio track
[00:28] <daftykins> so you need to disable DTS HD in VLC perhaps
[00:28] <awilkins> Only one track in it
[00:28] <daftykins> yeah they're kinda wrapped
[00:28] <daftykins> run mediainfo on the file
[00:29] <daftykins> my amp in the lounge supports DTS HD MA but the HTPC doesn't bitstream it, so i just get standard DTS films
[00:30] <awilkins> So specs of thing say :
[00:30] <awilkins> THX certified
[00:30] <awilkins> Dolby Digital 5.1 decoding
[00:30] <awilkins> DTS decoding
[00:30] <daftykins> mmhmm
[00:30] <awilkins> Mediainfo says
[00:31] <awilkins> It's a BDAV file
[00:31] <daftykins> o0 a 1:1 dump?
[00:31] <awilkins> Format DTS / MA / Core
[00:31] <daftykins> ah there you go
[00:31] <daftykins> so you need to fight VLC to tell it your receiver doesn't support DTS HD MA
[00:31] <daftykins> so that it falls back to DTS core
[00:32] <daftykins> i don't use it so can't comment sadly
[00:42] <awilkins> Oh, ok, I must have reset something
[00:42] <awilkins> Had to poke pulseaudio to reset card
[00:42] <awilkins> profile
[00:43] <awilkins> 5.1 test vid is working so far
[00:45] <awilkins> Cool, even the phase tests work
[00:47] <awilkins> Ok, definitely capable of fivepointoneiness
[00:48] <daftykins> \o/
[00:48] <awilkins> Not sure this is the std. operating mode of Netflix though
[00:49] <awilkins> Ok, so they mostly use pro-logic
[00:49] <awilkins> Have pavumeter running and no difference between front and rear channels
[00:52] <awilkins> Will try this movie from the DVD instead of the Netflix
[00:52] <awilkins> But tomorrow, probably
[01:06] <intrbiz> does ubuntu 14.04 use logind?
[01:10] <awilkins> systemd-logind
[01:54] <Azelphur> um...did we just have an earthquake or something?
[01:57] <Azelphur> https://twitter.com/search?q=margate&src=typd&vertical=default&f=tweets holy moly...I think that was an earthquake
[01:59] <diddledan> nothing here in hampshire
[02:01] <Azelphur> guess it was a small one that only hit thanet
[02:01] <Azelphur> I'mma go check for damage I guess
[02:02] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/bitcalm/status/601507792109707264/photo/1
[02:04] <Azelphur> http://m.emsc.eu/earthquake/earthquake.php?evid=443215 yup, confirmed
[02:04] <Azelphur> that happened o.O
[02:04] <diddledan> 4.3 isn't very small
[02:04] <diddledan> that's a reasonable size IIRC
[02:04] <diddledan> certainly for britain
[02:06] <Azelphur> yea was definitely a reasonable bumpe
[02:06] <diddledan> about 18 miles from margate?
[02:06] <diddledan> 23km apparently
[02:06] <Azelphur> yup
[02:07] <diddledan> looks like that page is still getting updated
[02:07] <diddledan> it's gone from 2km depth to 10
[02:07] <diddledan> and macroseimic intensity has changed from F(Felt) to IV(Largely Observed)
[02:08] <diddledan> and depth is now 1km
[02:11] <Azelphur> yea, definitely largely observed
[02:11] <Azelphur> I have family and stuff all messaging me at 3am in the morning after being woke up by it, and my mates TV fell down.
[02:16] <zmoylan-pi> at what point does facebooks send a status in an emergency situation kick in? :-)
[02:17] <diddledan> I think this should qualify
[02:17]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if the no to gay marriage in ireland will see this as a /sign/
[02:18] <diddledan_> well it was a sign of something
[02:18] <daftykins> whoa it shook so hard diddledan got cloned
[02:18] <diddledan_> heh different pc
[02:18] <daftykins> ;]
[02:18] <Azelphur> lol
[02:18] <diddledan_> trying to get the latest win10 on the other one
[02:18] <zmoylan-pi> his bunker pc with a years worth of food and internet... :-D
[02:18] <daftykins> ah yes i just installed that new build
[02:19] <daftykins> it trashed a lot of things for me
[02:19] <daftykins> blank start menu tiles, spartan kept becoming the default browser even when changed to FF
[02:19] <daftykins> very odd indeed
[02:19] <diddledan_> I tried it earlier but hit the issue of install hanging at 18% that the twits have been moaning about
[02:19] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:19] <daftykins> Roald Dahl never meant for them to have computers, after all
[02:20] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/601566306731593728
[02:20] <diddledan_> that's what I'm trying right now
[02:21] <diddledan_> it's prepareing right now
[02:21] <diddledan_> --e
[04:05] <diddledan_> finally got win10 installing
[04:06] <diddledan_> I had to uninstall "apple device support" or the winusb packages (I actually did both so can't say which was the culprit)
[04:06] <diddledan_> winusb is the usb drivers for interacting with windows phones
[04:08] <diddledan_> daftykins: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFlLIOTWIAEMvJU.png
[04:09] <daftykins> i just passed my cat on the stairs, her leaving the bedroom, me heading to it
[04:09] <daftykins> unsure what her plan is, could be dermur
[04:11] <zmoylan-pi> cat is going to find a place to sleep in the sunrise
[04:11] <daftykins> could well be
[04:11] <zmoylan-pi> cats do not waste sunbeams... :-)
[04:12] <daftykins> that made me think of the Nirvana track/cover Jesus don't want me for a Sunbeam ~
[04:12] <diddledan_> the sun is only useful for sleeping under
[04:13] <diddledan_> yey! build 10122 is installed!
[04:13] <zmoylan-pi> for a cat sleeping in the sun or in a really warm spot means they don't need to waste energy warming themselves.
[04:14] <daftykins> ten wan tutu
[04:14] <diddledan_> my internet connection: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFlC3BCVAAA8qWm.jpg
[04:14] <daftykins> Mischief doesn't need to either, she curls up to me and steals my heat
[04:14] <daftykins> are you Matthew Broderick by any chance?
[04:15] <diddledan_> lol
[04:15] <diddledan_> yes. yes I am
[04:15] <zmoylan-pi> so you're merely a mobile warmspot
[04:15] <diddledan_> I found a cool game server the other day
[04:16] <diddledan_> it thinks I'm some dude by the name falcon
[04:17] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i'm putting that on my CV
[04:19] <daftykins> ok nn guys \o
[04:19] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:19] <diddledan_> :-o
[04:19] <diddledan_> it's early yet
[04:20] <daftykins> a night in the pub gave me the alearm clock effect yesterday
[04:21] <daftykins> i actually woke up O_O
[04:21] <daftykins> now i've ruined it by being up again
[04:38] <_1_Mansfield> hi
[05:13] <mapps> hi all
[05:28] <diddledan> morning
[06:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:12] <ali1234> Azelphur: intents don't work in firefox for android
[06:21] <diddledan> o_O
[06:22] <ali1234> (still, after four years)
[06:55] <diddledan> ooh, that's fun
[06:55] <diddledan> ms surface pro 3 with ms edge browser - drawing on webpages
[07:34] <andrewebdev> Is there _any_ way to make ubuntu alt-tab behave sanely when using multiple monitors?
[07:34] <nucc1> define sanely
[07:34] <andrewebdev> (busy ... :) )
[07:35] <andrewebdev> I have multiple terminals and windows open at the on two monitors, when I hit alt tab, I'd like the order to be prioritized for the current monitor
[07:36] <andrewebdev> or is that hoping for too much?
[07:37] <nucc1> it is ordered by recently used
[07:37] <andrewebdev> It makes it really hard sometimes to get to the actual window I'm looking for, without using the mouse, especially with multiple terminals open, cause they then get grouped up even
[07:40] <andrewebdev> looks like I'm not the only one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211863
[07:40] <andrewebdev> maybe I'll try that, but I really didn't want to install the ccsm
[07:41] <nucc1> lol
[07:41] <nucc1> you don't want to install the tool that will give you what you want.
[07:43] <andrewebdev> no need to be patronizing ... I'm just asking if there something built into unity to disable the window grouping, without having to install extra stuff.
[07:43] <nucc1> i'm not patronizing you. you may realize that silence usually means "I don't know". but then, you found a tool that probably does just what you want, and then "you don't want to install it". Pardon me if I find that funny.
[07:46] <andrewebdev> np, I'm just reluctant to "keep installing" stuff just to make the core system be more usable. To me that feels like windows
[07:46] <nucc1> the whole idea of apps is that you install those that you want/need
[07:47] <nucc1> and as you can imagine, not everyone is dissatisfied with the default alt-tab behaviour
[07:47] <nucc1> I personally never found it wanting, but then, I don't use it much. I use the mouse for pretty much everything
[07:50] <andrewebdev> As a keyboard user the current alt-tab behaviour is infuriating
[07:50] <andrewebdev> ... that said
[07:50] <popey> uh
[07:50] <popey> ccsm is what you need
[07:50] <andrewebdev> if there are no way to do this using default settings then I'll install ccsml
[07:51] <nucc1> popey: he found it, he he. he just wants to argue that it should be part of the default suite of apps in ubuntu
[07:51] <popey> I know
[07:51] <popey> I'm re-iterating it's what's needed
[07:51] <ali1234> i recommend xubuntu :)
[07:51] <andrewebdev> I just didn't want to bloat  my system that's all :)
[07:51] <nucc1> ali1234: another funny one. Because that ships with ccsm by default?
[07:51] <ali1234> no, it doesn't even use compiz
[07:51] <nucc1> andrewebdev: let me guess, your system has 8G of RAM perhaps? and you run CCSM and quit it. How is that bloat?
[07:52] <ali1234> if it was installed by default, how would it be less bloated then if you installed it manually?
[07:52] <andrewebdev> ...
[07:52] <nucc1> bloat… unless you're so poor that you can't afford a better machine, that is a very lazy complaint
[07:53] <ali1234> the bloat *is* starting to get out of hand...
[07:53] <nucc1> you can get a computer today that will run default ubuntu and a ton of other apps you can throw at it for less than 300 quid
[07:53] <ali1234> but it's not really the fault of ubuntu
[07:53] <nucc1> there were people who argued that the GUI was bloat
[07:53] <ali1234> firefox is the worst resource hog
[07:54] <nucc1> ali1234: you open 200 tabs and then complain that it is using too much RAM.
[07:54] <ali1234> nah, they've fixed the ram problems
[07:54] <ali1234> the problem now is that background tabs keep running loads of javascript
[07:54] <ali1234> there's no good reason for that; background tabs should be paused
[07:54] <nucc1> it's not a mobile phone
[07:54] <ali1234> unless it's a music player, but those could be whitelisted
[07:55] <ali1234> it will be in a couple of years
[07:55] <popey> there are plugins for that
[07:55] <diddledan> chrome is the main offender of background processes
[07:55] <ali1234> remember all that "phones can run a desktop now" talk?
[07:56] <nucc1> ali1234: the reason phones behave like that is to conserve limited battery. of course it would be nice for desktops to behave like that, because it's more efficient, but that is not quite the same thing as bloat
[07:56] <ali1234> sure it is
[07:57] <nucc1> well, as you said, you have a ton of options
[07:57] <nucc1> plugins, different browsers etc.
[07:57] <ali1234> there's really only two browsers and neither of them is known for efficiency
[07:57] <nucc1> it helps to remember that the resources on your computer are meant to be used.
[07:58] <popey> hmm https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/05/21/help-test-changes-to-new-tab-in-firefox-beta/
[07:58] <nucc1> popey: which plugin?
[07:58] <popey> nucc1: I'm using chrome, there's a few
[07:59] <nucc1> i use opera :), but lemme know the names so i can know what to search for
[07:59] <nucc1> the only time i actually value this kind of functionality is when i'm running off battery
[08:00] <popey> just search for suspend tabs
[08:00] <ali1234> https://hg.adblockplus.org/suspendbackgroundtabs <- removed from mozilla app store
[08:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Don’t Fry Day! 😃
[08:08] <andrewebdev> well there we go... ccsm crashed my desktop just now attempting to enable another window switcher
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Morning. Remember that video about YouTube and metadata? Remember how it also said that one should be careful of the thumbnail one chooses? Nothing too provocative etc?
[08:10] <ali1234> andrewebdev: yeah it does that, everything should just start up again with the new options you set
[08:10] <ali1234> TwistedLucidity: yes i remember it
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Well, imagine my surprise when I switch on the TV and was greeted by a massive pair of boobs thanks to YouTube ("The Barber" movie trailer). Someone really should report that.
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> Think of the children!
[08:12] <nucc1> TwistedLucidity: the kids are probably unconcerned with it. it's your dirty mind playing tricks on you.
[08:13] <nucc1> unless they were bare of course :p
[08:49] <popey> wow, that tab pausing extension made a massive difference
[09:05] <diddledan> does ubuntu phone do tethering?
[09:05] <popey> it can
[09:06] <diddledan> is it a manual commandline thing or has the ui caught-up?
[09:06] <popey> both
[09:06] <diddledan> lol
[09:06] <popey> there's a command line way and there's a separate app which can do it
[09:06] <diddledan> aah
[09:07] <diddledan> I spotted that the bq device is listed as dual sim so I thought maybe I might plop this month's excess on it
[09:07] <bashrc> cool
[09:07] <popey> I see rumours of another device coming soon
[09:07] <diddledan> the meizu?
[09:08] <diddledan> or a third?
[09:09] <bashrc> I'm thinking of maybe getting a bq phone as a secondary phone for development
[09:09] <bashrc> I'll stick with android as my main phone OS for now, because it has all the secure messaging apps
[09:09] <popey> a third
[09:10] <diddledan> ooh
[09:10]  * diddledan goes to omgubuntu to see what the news is
[09:10] <bashrc> potentially I could develop some messaging apps for ubuntutouch, although it would be a long process because I don't have much time to do that kind of stuff
[09:11] <popey> diddledan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices last one on that list
[09:12] <diddledan> the WorkInProgress list?
[09:12] <popey> right at the bottom
[09:12] <diddledan> VegetaHD?
[09:13] <diddledan> ooh
[09:13] <diddledan> yes it would seem so. John is a member of the canonical devices team
[09:14] <diddledan> curiouser and curiouser :-p
[09:14] <diddledan> aha the github gives away alot
[09:15] <diddledan> i.e. the manufacturer and device name
[09:18]  * diddledan wonders if this is the high-end device mark mentioned in the UoS the other week
[09:18] <popey> don't think so
[09:19] <diddledan> it's got some pretty amazing specs
[09:19] <diddledan> for the price
[09:21] <Myrtti> wheee
[09:21] <diddledan> ello Myrtti
[09:21] <Myrtti> turned the home server on finally
[09:21] <Myrtti> well, back on
[09:23] <Myrtti> dishwasher decided to protest me fiddling in the undersink cupboard few weeks back, relocating the extension cord it was plugged to, tripped the power in the whole house a few times and then went on melting and fusing its plug to the extension cord
[09:24] <Myrtti> decided to keep sensitive computing gear off until repairman came and assured us the house wasn't going to burn
[09:24] <diddledan> Myrtti: it's trying to kill you, like arnie would
[09:25] <Myrtti> possibly yeah
[09:25] <Myrtti> we've also had an IKEA puzzle to assemble
[09:25] <Myrtti> which is still ongoing
[09:26] <Myrtti> fun times.
[09:28] <nigelb> Myrtti: Heh, I've discovered that you can never assemble furniture without getting halfway and realizing you did something wrong initially (and having to start over)
[09:28] <Myrtti> our only problem is that it's huge
[09:28] <diddledan> said the actress to the..
[09:29] <nigelb> Oh dear. what is it? A bed? Dining table?
[09:29] <Myrtti> set of four Pax wardrobes taking a whole wall of the main bedroom
[09:29] <Myrtti> 3x50cm and 1x100cm
[09:29] <nigelb> wooooo
[09:30] <Myrtti> we've assembled the frames, but haven't attached anything to each other or the wall yet.
[09:30] <Myrtti> just fiddled with the order they're in last night, installed few of the inbuilt led strips and decided which doors to put where
[09:33] <directhex> i'm waiting on an IKEA delivery
[09:33] <ujjain> I'm planning to visit the USA for 9 days. If I could visit 3 cities... New York - Las Vegas, and?
[09:33] <directhex> they didn't have what i wanted in stock in MK
[09:44] <Myrtti> directhex: we went there three-ish weeks ago, realised the frames and doors wouldn't fit our Volvo and went and ordered online, as the delivery charge was the same either way. As a bonus got extra set of soft closing hinges - they're included in the price when shopping online but have to pick and pay separately in store
[09:44] <Myrtti> they've got their online whatamajig in Peterborough. It's a shame they don't do click and collect there.
[10:37] <ujjain> what does gbp hedged mean?
[10:38] <foobarry> context
[10:38] <ujjain> iShares S&P 500 GBP Hedged UCITS ETF
[10:38] <foobarry> do you know waht hedging is
[10:39] <popey> is it like cottaging?
[10:39] <ujjain> I thought a hedge funds was a "risky" funds
[10:39] <foobarry> thats not the definition
[10:40] <foobarry> hedging is when you take a position that reduces any potential loss
[10:40] <foobarry> its an insurance
[10:40] <foobarry> e.g.
[10:40] <directhex> hedge funds are funds where you'd get a beter return by just shoring your money in a hedge
[10:40] <directhex> storing
[10:40] <directhex> or shoving
[10:40] <nucc1> shoring works too :p
[10:40] <foobarry> ARM get a lot of income in international markets, but they are a UK company
[10:40] <ujjain> GBP hedged means they make sure they don't get screwd if the USD value goes down then
[10:40] <foobarry> their profits depend on the strength of pound
[10:40] <directhex> there's a reasonable chance the damage to your cash by wildlife is less than the damage to your cash by hedge fund managers
[10:41] <foobarry> so they would trade in FX markets to ensure they hold a position in USD to offset any large swing either way that would reduce profits
[10:41] <foobarry> or an emotional hedge...
[10:41] <foobarry> i support arsenal, so i might bet on chelsea winning the league
[10:42] <foobarry> i offset my emotional loss (arsenal losing makes me sad) by a financial gain
[10:42] <foobarry> :)
[10:42]  * arsen must improve highlight regex
[10:42] <foobarry> if arsenal win then i don't mind losing the stake i put into the chelsea bet
[10:42] <arsen> can't keep coming back here to find i've been highlighted for 'cottaging' ;)
[10:43] <ujjain> ah lol
[10:45] <arsen> the idea behind a hedgefund is a portfolio of hedged investments, so that whatever happens, you should make just above market growth. combine that with huge funds (multi-billions), the profits are significant, though range from losses up to around ~17-18% for the best in the world.
[10:46] <arsen> investment A might make me 15%, but if it doesnt, investment B will cover it and return me 5% instead.
[10:46] <foobarry> but there is a safety net in theory
[10:46] <foobarry> to reduce masssvie swings up or down
[10:47] <foobarry> its like putting a chip on a black number in roulette
[10:47] <foobarry> but also poping a chip on red too
[10:48] <ujjain> ah ok, I don't think I'll take a hedged fund for Europe or US, although US dollar might evaluate (opposite of devaluate)
[10:49] <arsen> the fund you pasted looks like S&P hedged against sterling
[10:49] <arsen> so that works on the premise that one of them is gona do well.
[10:49]  * bashrc hedges against hedge funds
[10:49] <ujjain> makes me wonder if I pay currency conversion costs if I make a ETF S&P 500 purchase.
[10:50] <arsen> not a bad investment, if we have no further financial crises
[10:50]  * foobarry puts his house on the red square
[10:50] <bashrc> that's got to be a losing bet
[10:50] <arsen> typically, investing in the S&P isnt a bad shout, the mark of a good hedgefund is one that can continually beat S&P
[10:52] <arsen> for example: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-22/hedge-funds-underperform-sp-7th-year-row-here-are-their-top-holdings
[10:52]  * arsen goes back in his box
[10:52] <ujjain> Yeah, but the majority of funds does not beat the market
[10:52] <ujjain> if you also claculate the cost of the fund itself, so yeah
[10:52] <ujjain> I'm going for a long-term passive investment anyway, I don't want to waste my free time on thinknig about this too much
[10:59] <ujjain> maybe I should just invest all my money 1000x hedged in a company
[10:59] <ujjain> 1000x leveraged*
[11:14] <awilkins> So : 5.1 working nicely ; if I switch outputs away from the 5.1 the output disappears from the Sound config panel and I have to set it with a pacmd manually
[11:58] <diddledan> m00
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> mú?
[11:59] <diddledan> μ
[11:59] <diddledan> (I had to google to get a copy+paste :-p)
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> all irish keyboards have ú...
[12:01] <diddledan> ú isn't μ
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> true but it does alter the pronounciation of the u
[12:05] <dutchie> it's not even a u
[12:06] <dutchie> more like an m
[12:20] <nucc1> there's a way to automatically choose a uk mirror for apt right?
[12:23] <popey> you can force which mirror you want, yes
[12:23] <popey> i find the .de mirror is faster than the UK one
[12:24] <Myrtti> I just use the "choose the fastest" tool
[12:24] <popey> that too
[12:24] <Myrtti> "select the best server" that is
[12:24] <popey> germany usually wins for me
[12:24] <Myrtti> goscomb for us
[12:25] <popey> oh yes, that one is good too
[12:27] <nucc1> so how do i do that?
[12:27] <nucc1> somehow mine is retrieving files from us
[12:27] <nucc1> US
[12:28] <brobostigon> i find the ocford uni mirror to be very fast.
[12:28] <brobostigon> oxford*
[12:28] <Myrtti> nucc1: "software and updates"
[12:28] <Myrtti> "download from:" "Other..."
[12:28] <nucc1> Myrtti: thanks :)
[12:29] <Myrtti> "Select Best Server"
[12:29] <nucc1> i wish this thing chose the mirror based on locale :)
[12:29] <nucc1> it chose goscombe for me.
[12:30] <nucc1> pity their ISP stuff is too expensive
[13:26]  * diddledan just installed owncloud
[13:27] <nigelb> diddledan: It's pretty nice.
[13:27] <nigelb> Though, I've had issues with Android sync which I haven't been able to pin down.
[13:32] <diddledan> huh? ms are being rumoured to buy crackberry?!
[13:32] <diddledan> http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/is-microsoft-about-to-buy-blackberry--1294712
[13:36] <nigelb> They will serve the enterprise market gloriously.
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> If you can't build a good product, destory the competition
[13:45] <brobostigon> as steve jobs vowed to do to google.
[13:46] <brobostigon> i mean, like he tried to do to google.
[14:37] <diddledan> so a colleague just got php to talk ntlm2 by making it pretend that it talks ntlm2
[14:37] <diddledan> he just fiddled with the flag that it embeds in the stream to say "yo I is totally a v2!"
[14:52] <bigcalm>  /ignore-on-twitter popey
[14:53] <diddledan> oh? is he twitting?
[14:53]  * diddledan fires-up the twittle
[14:54] <bigcalm> diddledan: he's trolling me, nothing out of the ordinary
[14:54] <diddledan> popey: +1
[14:54] <diddledan> :-p
[14:55] <popey> I am so not
[14:57] <bigcalm> Missread n as h
[14:58] <diddledan> I could try freaking shauno out by agreeing that popey is so hot
[14:58] <popey> heh
[14:58] <diddledan> shauno: are you at sea yet?
[14:59] <diddledan> I take that as a resounding yes
[15:00] <diddledan> obviously shauno sits around waiting for me to mention his name when he's not at sea
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> the ferries claim to have wifi though how sucky it is is another story
[15:42] <directhex> "X has wifi" is generally code for "X has a single 3G MiFi, shared amongst all users"
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much.  though the ferries between uk and ireland have tried to up their game to compete with cheap airlines.  i do miss the hydrofoil service they had in 80s.  that looked coolest.
[15:50] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: seacat?
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> it's fast but not as exciting
[15:51] <directhex> or hoverspeed.
[15:51] <directhex> both companies died about 10 years ago
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> hovercraft were seriously cool but once the chunnel came along...
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> they wouldn't work on uk ireland route well enough to be reliable.  ditto northsea...
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> both the russians the usa operate large landing hovercraft, the rest of the world seems to have given up on the tech sadly
[15:58] <intrbiz> the hydrofoils on lake garda were pretty neat
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> my mother was a fan of the dublin -> liverpool run as the weather made it really exciting
[16:12] <ali1234> what's the best london transport map for android tablets?
[16:53] <diddledan> ali1234: is there not a TFL app?
[16:54] <diddledan> the oracle says: http://www.london24.com/entertainment/top_5_london_transport_apps_on_iphone_and_android_1_1180640
[16:54] <ali1234> this is the best one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jamsoftltd.tubeassistant
[16:56] <ali1234> teh TfL one is rubbish
[17:38] <diddledan> how do you get owncloud to recognise filesystem changes that it didn't make itself
[17:41]  * diddledan maps mappps mapping
[18:09] <diddledan> popey: you've thrown a spanner in the works, haven't you! I can't decide whether to wait around for the potential secret sauce suggested by the workinprogress list in the wiki or drop a ton on the currently available e4.5
[18:10] <diddledan> e4.5 - not to be confused with a beauty cream
[18:14] <ali1234> wait for goku
[18:54] <popey> haha diddledan
[19:15] <davmor2> Back to a real timezone soon \o/
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> paris time \o/ :-D
[19:21] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: more the fact that I'm in orlando currently and will be so happy to be home now :D
[19:37] <jpds> http://www.ubuntu.com/ - cool.
[19:41] <diddledan> oooh
[19:56] <DJones> Hmmh, does that mean popey has "00" status, "008 3/4 Licenced to thrill"?
[22:42] <diddledan> ergh http://www.networkworld.com/article/2923882/opensource-subnet/ubuntus-shuttleworths-call-to-arms-in-open-source-stirs-up-controversy.html
[22:44] <intrbiz> diddledan: 'ergh' at the statement or article?
[22:44] <daftykins> what the KDE guy says makes sense
[22:46] <diddledan> it annoys me that ubuntu seems to be the new whipping boy
[22:46] <intrbiz> how competition works in regards to open source, seems somewhat taboo in the open source community
[22:46] <diddledan> as in the boy that get a royal flogging
[22:46] <intrbiz> diddledan: success = get whipped
[22:47] <diddledan> mark sums up well with "live and let live"
[22:48] <daftykins> it would be nicer if competing plans weren't made though
[22:48] <intrbiz> frankly it's ironic for mr shuttlecock to argue that we should all band together
[22:49] <intrbiz> for two reasons, a) that is not what he has practised, and b) (more importantly) people don't work that way
[22:50] <intrbiz> if we accept that competition (ie: forking in open source parlance) creates better results, then his statement is somewhat misguided
[22:51] <intrbiz> in addition I wouldn't have said that ubuntu get adversely criticised, when you consider its size
[22:54] <intrbiz> Bryan Lunduke's Linux Sucks talk is an interesting listen
[22:54] <diddledan> its time for me to snooze. nn
[22:55] <diddledan> ill try to remember to look him up tomorrow
[22:57] <intrbiz> IIRC Bryan Lunduke works for suse these days
[22:57] <daftykins> says right there on the page
[22:58] <intrbiz> hehe, tech me for skim reading everything
[23:13] <daftykins> :>
[23:13] <daftykins> not fond of this guy, watching the Linux sucks 2014
[23:13] <intrbiz> hehe
[23:13] <intrbiz> that was my reaction at first
[23:13] <daftykins> he does say to hold on for the second half though XD
[23:14] <intrbiz> hold out to the second half
[23:14] <daftykins> so i can let most of it slide, just not how 'muricans can't even pronounce ubuntu
[23:14] <intrbiz> it kinda explains the concept of the talk
[23:14] <intrbiz> once you dial back your rage, it makes sense
[23:14] <intrbiz> he's a bit jeremy clarkson IMHO
[23:22] <daftykins> i bet even he wouldn't like that comparison :>
[23:26] <intrbiz> which one
[23:26] <daftykins> maybe both
[23:26] <intrbiz> IMHO he is being deliberately inflamatory to demonstrate our internal biases


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[02:27] <Zer000> lightdm crashes! http://dpaste.com/2QM445M what do I do?
[05:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> What the hell is this bug ? http://i.imgur.com/H8BlSlL.jpg
[05:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> all of a sudden, my main user can't do simple tasks, as if it lost its permissions or something
[08:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:09] <Akiva-Thinkpad> lordievader, morning
[09:09] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hey are there two images of 14.10?
[09:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> like one using exclusively mir?
[09:12] <lordievader> On iso.qa.ubuntu.com there is a separate entry for Unity 8 (not sure if that is Mir, I do not follow Unity's progress), that entry however is rather empty.
[09:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> thanks
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, heya
[10:25] <BluesKaj> hi Akiva-Thinkpad
[10:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, whats happening?
[10:26] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, , not much yet ..whats up with you?
[10:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, making a multiboot usb
[10:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and watching samurai cop
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Akiva-Thinkpad, yumi?\
[10:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> multiboot... Should I use yumi?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> dunno , it didn't work for me
[10:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, yumi didn't?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> yumi didn't work for me, not sure what i did wrong, if anything
[10:30] <BluesKaj> what are you using Akiva-Thinkpad?
[10:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BluesKaj, trying to use multiboot. Some gtk2 issue
[10:30] <BluesKaj> ok
[10:31]  * BluesKaj checks out multiboot
[11:05] <chrs-> does ubuntu keep a database of crash data somewhere?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> chrs-, /var/log
[11:14] <lordievader> Wouldn't it be /var/crash?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I suppose, but var/log/syslog is easier to read
[11:21] <lordievader> Agreed.
[11:21] <BluesKaj> err /var/log/syslog
[11:26] <chrs-> thanks


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[21:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 655 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue655 :D
[21:51] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Since when do we include upstream projects in the meeting reports?  And even then, the link it points to doesn't even fit the section either.
[22:17] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Mutter & GNOME Shell move up to "Other Articles of Interest" instead ?
[22:22] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, for this you'd have to link to an actual article first though..
[22:24] <Bashing-om> Then drop it - as is not directly applicable anyyway to ubuntu ?
[22:53] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Your call - I thought the original link somehow got lost, but maybe not..  (https://blogs.gnome.org/shell-dev/ - isn't it, anyway.)
[23:05] <Bashing-om> krytarik: All for dropping - Development blog for GNOME Shell and Mutter - is as far as I am concerned to far upstream, and I have seen little interest in such from our audience.


[16:12] <SonikkuAmerica> I doubt what gswallow said in #u was actionable but would probably have been more helpful in #u-discuss
[23:10] <bazhang> FireSword> rommel, shouldn't you be down trying to conquer egypt?
[23:28] <bazhang> ubuntu on the iPhone
[23:29] <bazhang> gustorn really really wants it
[23:39] <bazhang> even better, he wants KALI on it
[23:52] <genii> I just read some of the backscroll, and I'm like... "whut?"


 @tsimonq2 [In a sense I already consider @JyotiGomes to be part of QA :)], What I can say is that I am a simple user that will not rest from annoying you until someone decides to correct that problem of misalignment of the points under the name "Lubuntu" in plymouth! 😊  It is inadmissible to give such a impression at the begin
 It may be faster if you provide the picture
 @aptghetto [It may be faster if you provide the picture], +1
[11:50] <qwebirc68218> When I tried to copy a folder from my android phone connected via usb it only copied the empty folder and not the contents of the folder.
[11:51] <qwebirc68218> Has anyone had such an issue before?
[11:51] <leszek> qwebirc68218: libmtp is a nasty ugly microsoft bitch. Don't use this. Install kdeconnect use this. Or a sftp server of some sorts on your android phone
[11:52] <leszek> you don't need a cable then :) Though yeah cables usually are a bit faster. Not sure if it is possible to do sftp via usb on android though
[11:54] <qwebirc68218> Thanks I've give that a try. The folder is a couple of gbs so I was hoping to just use the cable.
[11:57] <leszek> qwebirc68218: like I said mtp is a bit crappy. Yes cable is better for couple of GBs but mtp also has nasty bugs. Never ever try to move the files. ALWAYS copy
[11:59] <qwebirc68218> okay thanks. I hadn't heard of kdeconnect before and it looks really good.
 @JyotiGomes [What I can say is that I am a simple user that will not rest from annoying you u …], Aha, you are part of our QA team then :D
 @aptghetto [It may be faster if you provide the picture], He did in the devel channel already
 @tsimonq2 [He did in the devel channel already], I don‘t see the fixed image, only the old one.
[16:31] <amir_> Hi
[16:31] <amir_> I have a huge problem with lubuntu 18.10
[16:32] <genii> !details
[16:33] <Guest75063> my problem is after i have updated my os from 18.04 to 18.10 my lubuntu stuck on Strating bpfilter and wont open my os
[16:34] <genii> !info bpfilter
[16:34] <Guest75063> so i have searched and find out a way for the same error but for ubuntu. the solve of that has not helped me.
[16:34] <teward> !info bpfilter cosmic
[16:34] <teward> heh
[16:34] <Guest75063> what should i do?
[16:37] <Guest75063> and the color of the text is changing every time i boot and i seen the Lubuntu 18.10 loading and after that i get that message and stuck into it.
[16:38] <genii> It should eventually time out and continue
[16:39] <Guest75063> no its not, i have left laptop for 3 hours(actually i have slept on that time). but when i woke up and came to laptop i just seen that message again
[16:40] <Guest75063>   Actually, scratch that. Do this: edit /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and uncomment the line:  #WaylandEnable=false  The issue also doesn't seem to appear in a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.10. this was the way for resolve this on ubuntu but i didnt find such a folder and file!
[16:41] <genii> Without knowing what dbfilter is and what it's normally supposed to be doing ( since it does not seem to be a package from the Ubuntu repositories) makes it somewhat problemmatic to look into
[16:42] <genii> !find dbfilter
[16:42] <Guest75063> not dbfilter
[16:42] <Guest75063> bpfilter
[16:43] <teward> !find bpfilter
 *throws a penguin at teward*
[16:44] <Guest75063> is there anyway?
[16:44] <teward> *erases @tsimonq2*'
[16:47] <Guest75063> ?
[16:49] <teward> impatient much?
 Hi
 My problem was bpfilter too
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/ixBFYzH.jpg
 @Riazinoir [<reply to image>], Second line is my work😁
 @Riazinoir [<reply to image>], Please help me😭😭
 Is a LXQt 0.14 release date? Thanks!
 @N0um3n0 [Is a LXQt 0.14 release date? Thanks!], Yes
 @N0um3n0 [Is a LXQt 0.14 release date? Thanks!], The intresting thing is bpfilter is for g3m not sddm
 @Riazinoir [<reply to image>], https://askubuntu.com/questions/1084550/ubuntu-18-10-stuck-on-started-bpfilter-while-booting
 @N0um3n0 [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1084550/ubuntu-18-10-stuck-on-started-bpfilter-w …], This is for ubuntu
 Mine is lubuntu
 @N0um3n0 [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1084550/ubuntu-18-10-stuck-on-started-bpfilter-w …], this time is diffrent becuase this solution uses the g3m files to fiz it
 But lubuntu is sddm or ..
 @Riazinoir [But lubuntu is sddm or ..], Yes
 18.10+ is SDDM, anything else is 18.04
 You have Nvidia card?
 @N0um3n0 [You have Nvidia card?], No , its just AMD
 Cpu and  GC
 And again and again i see this bpfilter, is there anyway i disable it ؟ really i need that for tonight😭😭😭😭
[18:09] <teward> i'm pretty sure bpfilter ins't the actual issue and there's something else going on, but as for debugging that I am at a loss.  (Just wanted ot make this bit known that it's probably NOT bpfilter specifically at fault)
 @teward [<teward> i'm pretty sure bpfilter ins't the actual issue and there's something e …], 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
 Even if there is a way for a single time use for with my os😭
 And i have access to my command line via recovery mode
 I pay for who help me from this problem😔😔
[18:49] <harry99> help
[18:49] <harry99> ?
[18:50] <lynorian> harry99: what am I helping with?
[18:51] <harry99> exit
[18:51] <harry99> close