[12:36] <mjbrooks> bah... I've been on a coding bender
[12:36] <Gekz> howdy
[12:37] <Gekz> I have an issue. I cannot put a panel on the bottom of the screen
[12:37] <Gekz> it simply moves to the top
[12:37] <Gekz> below the top panel
[12:37] <Gekz> and changes itself to "top"
[12:37] <Gekz> similar thing was happening with avant-window-navigator, so I didntu se it
[12:37] <Gekz> but now, the panel is doing it too
[12:37] <Gekz> awn did the same thing on 9.04 though
[12:37] <Gekz> so I didnt think anything of it until the gnome panel spat the same symptoms
[12:37] <Gekz> it's an eeepc 1005ha using the intel drivers
[12:39] <Gekz> .. any ideas?
[12:39] <Gekz> lol
[12:39] <dv-> the firefox flash plugin keeps crashing after a few hours. does anyone else get that?
[12:40] <dv-> i'll watch a youtube video, then come back two hours later and flash's stopped working and i have to restart firefox
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> given the other flash issies ive heeard of.. be glad it works for a few hours.
[12:45] <villewitt> Kyral: I have been running 9.10 since alpha 4 and my Nvidia drivers was auto recognized, installed and updated successfully.
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> ive herd of others mention a flash/firefox memory leaking issue.
[12:45] <jes__> I've uninstalled network manager and configured /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf manually. I get internet access through my gateway, but not dns. Any ideas?
[12:45] <dv-> Dr_Willis: :/ does it work in any other browser?
[12:46] <Crashbit> jes__: dhcp or static ip ?
[12:46] <villewitt> Kyral: Nvidia version: 173.14.20... It isn't the newest card though... Driver 173.14.20
[12:46] <jes__> Crashbit, static.
[12:46] <Gekz> lol why wont my freaking panel work
[12:47] <jes__> but the problem is resolving. Network is working fine.
[12:47] <Crashbit> jes__: paste your /etc/resolv.conf
[12:48] <jes__> Crashbit, <IP_ADDRESS>... Oh. I'm supposed to have "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"? :)
[12:48] <Crashbit> jes__: yes
[12:48] <Crashbit> :-)
[12:48] <jes__> haha, there you go :)
[12:48] <jes__> thanks! :)
[12:48] <Crashbit> :D
[12:49] <dupondje> could somebody help me getting SynCE 0.14 into Karmic :) would be nice if it was included
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> a little late to be adding in new packages :)
[12:50] <rsk> yep 2late now dupondje
[12:50] <jes__> think it's maybe a little late for that.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> i want weechat 3.0 but its was a few days too late
[12:50] <jes__> dupondje, make a ppa?
[12:50] <dupondje> its late indeed, but TO late ? :)
[12:51] <rsk> TO late
[12:51] <dupondje> k:p
[12:51] <dupondje> btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 should be really fixed
[12:51] <shiznebit> umm how do i set input audio to always be saved
[12:51] <shiznebit> after reset it goes back to regular input
[12:53] <jes__> shiznebit, what does that mean?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> thre is the pav control/mixers that might rember.
[12:53] <shiznebit> as in i have audio input through my webcam
[12:54] <shiznebit> after reset i have to to the spund properties to select again as the audio input
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> try the pavucontrol  tool perhaps?
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> and pamam, and padevchooser
[12:55] <shiznebit> alright will try
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> those are more 'pulse audio' focused tools.  the normal gnome tools may be getting some defaults from those/settings?
[12:56]  * Dr_Willis isjust guessing
[12:56] <shiznebit> also if you go to language support, it asks you to input your root password.....but it doesnt work
[12:57] <shiznebit> i enter the pass and it says its wrong
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. it asks for the 'root' password?    or wha exactly?
[12:57] <shiznebit> yeah for root
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> a guy was in here earlier today with a gksudo issue wehre it dident work.. but 'sudo whateber' did work
[12:59] <shiznebit> ithink its gksudo
[12:59] <shiznebit> are you on karmic beta ?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> yes i am
[12:59] <shiznebit> goto language support
[12:59] <shiznebit> it should ask to install additional things and prompt for a pass
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> ok so the Installer part asks...
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> guy earlier had issues with synaptic doing a similer thing.
[13:00] <shiznebit> but it wont recongnize the pass
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> try system-> admin->login screen   see if that one asks/works.
[13:02] <mokmeister> Just wondering if the intel graphics problems have been fixed in 9.10
[13:02] <jes__> my language support just tells me to fix broken packages. But apt-get --fix-broken gives me a usage page, and synaptics fix broken packages doesn't seem to do anything.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> they have been getting worked on.. but i dont know if they are fixed or if others have replaced them. :)
[13:02] <shiznebit> weird it works now
[13:02] <jes__> mokmeister, yes.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> brb
[13:02] <mokmeister> Good to know
[13:03] <jes__> there are other problems though, so I wouldn't recommend upgrading unless you want a really fancy and broken system :)
[13:04] <mokmeister> lol! Something to keep in mind
[13:04] <shiznebit> so far i havent found much thats broken
[13:04] <shiznebit> its def much faster
[13:04] <mokmeister> Am downloading at the mo, will try on a test laptop
[13:04] <mokmeister> The intel graphics thing killed 9.04 for me
[13:04] <shiznebit> i kinda had to jump hoops to get libstc++5 on it
[13:05] <shiznebit> and then install sopcast
[13:05] <jes__> network-manager doesn't work properly. I cannot install languages. Several of the scripts in /etc/init.d/ doesn't work and their service counterparts doesn't either.
[13:05] <jes__> mokmeister, that's usually fixed by simply upgrading the kernel though.
[13:06] <shiznebit> oO
[13:06] <mokmeister> jes_ tried that, no joy
[13:06] <mokmeister> tried everything!
[13:06] <jes__> installing linux <IP_ADDRESS> removed all my problems with intel vga in jaunty.
[13:06] <yofel> jes__: network-manager works fine here (kde) languages are broken too but the upstart scripts work fine here
[13:07] <jes__> yofel, it's nm-applet that doesn't work.
[13:07] <shiznebit> well too bad im on karmic
[13:08] <yofel> jes__: ah, I remember somebody said yesterday that nm-applet config is broken, ok
[13:09] <shiznebit> whats the most critical bug atm ?
[13:09] <jes__> I'm upgrading upstart as we speak, though, so that might fix something maybe.
[13:10] <shiznebit> jes_ is ksplice avilable for karmic ?
[13:10] <jes__> shiznebit, rmadison is your friend.
[13:10] <shiznebit> ??
[13:11] <shiznebit> whats tat
[13:12] <yofel> shiznebit: 'rmadison ksplice' will tell you in which release the ksplice package exists
[13:12] <jes__> shiznebit, run rmadison <packagename>. It will show you which version of the package is included in the different releases and the different repos.
[13:13] <jes__> apt-file and rmadison are two tools I use a lot.
[13:14] <shiznebit> good to know
[13:16] <jes__> yes, they're very useful.
[13:17] <yofel> don't forget apt-cache
[13:17] <shiznebit> apt-cache whats that do ?
[13:17] <jes__> yes, and apt-cache.
[13:17] <shiznebit> apt-cacherng ?
[13:18] <yofel> shiznebit: queries the apt database, shows things like dependencies, installed version, repository, etc...
[13:18] <shiznebit> oh
[13:18] <Boohbah> are ubuntu mirrors throttled to 30K/s ?
[13:18] <Boohbah> or at least us.archive?
[13:18] <shiznebit> no
[13:18] <shiznebit> yeah
[13:18] <yofel> shiznebit: run 'apt-cache policy ksplice' as an example ;)
[13:18] <shiznebit> they are slow
[13:19] <mokmeister> quite slow...
[13:19] <JoshuaL> The following packages have been kept back:
[13:19] <JoshuaL>   ubuntu-desktop
[13:20] <JoshuaL> why would it keep back ubuntu-desktop?
[13:20] <Boohbah> JoshuaL: sudo apt-get dist-updgrade
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> i had to 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[13:20] <JoshuaL> Boohbah, then it still happens
[13:20] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, i will try that
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> theres some  xpm type lib vs a noxpm lib that is conflicting
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> ive had to do it on 2 machines in the last hour
[13:21] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, yeah its conflicting with it
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> i did a update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, then just 'install ubuntu-desktop'
[13:21] <JoshuaL> that did the trick :)
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> i then danced a happy dance
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> or else your pc will explode
[13:24] <JoshuaL> lol
[13:24] <JoshuaL> 9.10 doesnt have the "this is it" feeling
[13:24] <JoshuaL> it feels like im missing something
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu 9.10 Nifty trick  #93 - plug in a external usb hard drive from a machine that had ubuntu (and/or windows) installed on it.. run update-grub. reboot and Bam - the new grub menu WILL show the os's on the extrenal usb hard drive.....
[13:24] <JoshuaL> no idea what
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Now thats a neat trick
[13:24] <JoshuaL> nice
[13:25] <JoshuaL> got a link for those tricks?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> i dident see how well it booted them
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> No.. I just made itup. :)
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> Thing to rember #5 for Ubuntu 9.10 - RERUN update-grub after changing the configs... rember the good old LILO days....
[13:26] <unlink> Hi, anyone good a troubleshooting boot options / flag problems?
[13:26] <yofel> unlink: it would help to know /what/ flag ;)
[13:27] <unlink> Ok this is one of those problematic dell Vostro's with the ACPI problem in 64 bit mode
[13:27] <jes__> hmm. Are the scripts in /etc/init.d not supposed to be used at all anymore? Where do I read about this change?
[13:27] <yofel> jes__: don't know where to read about it, but the script form /etc/init.d/ are being converted to upstart jobs in /etc/init/
[13:28] <unlink> I think I previously used acpi=off in the boot however the 9.x both 04 and 10 no longer are happy with this...
[13:30] <yofel> jes__: I found this on the beta release page: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure how the upstart 'changes' in 9.10 are different from 9.04.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> sudo service whatever start/stop/restart   still works
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> that upstart page really is for more advanced users then me. :)
[13:31] <yofel> Dr_Willis: I don't think they're different, just much more services were converted to upstart now
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> i cant think of any that were not updstart'ed  befor...
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> but who knows. :)
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> ive had very few issues with upstart.
[13:32] <jes__> Dr_Willis, did that work in jaunty? :)
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> sudo service XXXXX has worked for ages.
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> people just never know about it,
[13:32] <jes__> hehe, ok. I thought that was just redhat.
[13:35] <jes__> yofel, thanks for the link.
[13:37] <Trewas> upstart was really enabled around alpha6, before that (including jaunty) it was just used as init replacement without using its native interface
[13:38] <shiznebit> what uvuntu one {or ?
[13:38] <jes__> yes, I remember reading about jaunty switching to upstart, but it didn' seem to affect me in any way, so I forgot to look closer into it.
[13:39] <yofel> shiznebit: file sharing, like dropbox (if you mean ubuntu one)
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu One - is nifty
[13:44] <amortvigil> Dr_Willis, i find the beta more buddy than alpha 6
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. ubuntu one can share with people. :)
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> who wants to share.... :P
[13:55] <hnsr> trying to install updates though the update manager, but it's failing at some point, telling me "installArchives() failed", can't find anything for this on launcpad on this, so I'd like to file a bug, should this be filed against update-manager? I have a feeling that maybe its just one specific update failing to install, and maybe it's not appropriate to file it against the update manager itself, but I'm not sure where to look
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> servers are overloaded for many pepple at this time
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> try updating via command line. see if its just timing out
[13:56] <hnsr> ah, will give that a shot
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> You dont want to file a bug when its just server load.
[13:57] <hnsr> indeed
[13:57] <hnsr> i might file one for having such a vague error message about it if it was, though :p
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Ok. so we can all use ubuntu-one to set up a massive 'wallpaper' shared collection. ;)
[13:58] <nexsja> 'ello. Can anybody help me with this default IM issue. I've installed 9.10b today and noticed that my logout icon has changed
[13:59] <nexsja> as if i'd ran pidgin or that other IM that i've removed already >_<
[13:59] <nexsja> The question: how to get the old icon back and turn off the default im?
[13:59] <JoshuaL> sounds great Dr_Willis
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i cant even chantge the wallpaper...
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> its not changeing
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> odd.
[14:00] <Crashbit> nexsja: don't use emphaty, use pidgin
[14:00] <nexsja> Crashbit, i don't wanna use any of those
[14:00] <nexsja> still, i think one of them is running
[14:01] <nexsja> oh, and for some reason Ubuntu One is crashing whenever i wanna run it :<
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> hmm. it dident crash here.
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> !info wallpaper-tray
[14:03] <nexsja> hm. Tried it the third time - works o_O
[14:03] <nexsja> weird
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> wallpaper-tray isent working for me however
[14:04] <tgpraveen> can anyone confirm whether or not palimpest disk utility is there in karmic by default or not?
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Im pretty sure it was here by default
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> when i first installed alpha4 ages ago it was there
[14:05] <ziroday> tgpraveen: its in by default
[14:05] <tgpraveen> yay! \o/
[14:05] <hnsr> well, i'm not sure what update-manager was doing, but `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade` seems to be proceeding without a hitch
[14:21] <JoshuaL> someone who knows if songbird will ever make it into the karmic repo's?
[14:23] <Boohbah> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21032/
[14:23] <JoshuaL> thats about making it a default
[14:24] <spreadthelove> so uhhh... synaptic, themes, pidgin... lots of things are actually worse in the beta than the alpha
[14:24] <Boohbah> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Songbird
[14:25] <Boohbah> but i don't know why it's not in the ubuntu repos
[14:25] <Boohbah> it seems to be open-source
[14:25] <JoshuaL> Boohbah, there is no .deb for karmic
[14:26] <Boohbah> http://ppa.launchpad.net/songbird-daily/
[14:29] <JoshuaL> Boohbah, ty, wanna explain to me how that works?
[14:33] <JoshuaL> nvm found it already
[14:34] <Boohbah> https://launchpad.net/~songbird-daily/+archive/ppa
[14:34] <Boohbah> oops
[14:35] <Briffy> Hey guys, I picked up an Asus EeePC 1101HA netbook today and, naturally, decided to put Ubuntu on it. Decided to give the new beta a go but everytime I try to run the installation, I get as far as "setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfe" and then nothing happens. Is there a way around this or am I better of just going with a stable release?
[14:37] <rsk> Briffy: tried any kernel options?
[14:37] <rsk> like noapic etc
[14:38] <Boohbah> noapic or noacpi may help
[14:38] <Briffy> Okay, I'll give it a go and see what results I get. Cheers! :P
[14:39] <Boohbah> JoshuaL:
[14:40] <Boohbah> JoshuaL: Latest updates
[14:40] <Boohbah>     * songbird 22 hours ago
[14:40] <Boohbah>       Failed to build
[14:40] <Boohbah>     * songbird 22 hours ago
[14:40] <Boohbah>       Failed to build
[14:40] <Boohbah>     * songbird 22 hours ago
[14:40] <Boohbah> songbird   12 weeks ago - Failed to build
[14:40] <Boohbah> JoshuaL: maybe that's why it's not in the repos?
[14:40] <JoshuaL> works fine for me :)
[14:41] <Boohbah> excellent!
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> Ive had issues with the binary songbird even running
[14:41] <JoshuaL> to bad its the svn version ad the add-ons dont work :(
[14:41] <JoshuaL> that ppa did work for me
[14:46] <Briffy> Love you, guys. Ran it with noapic and noacpi and it seems to be working. <3
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> Hello, I noticed there is a new version released
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> and I'm curious to upgrade
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> any testing results up to this moment?
[14:49] <drs305> Zvezdichko: Mostly positive, but remember it's still Beta!
[14:49] <rsk> Zvezdichko: a few results yets.
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. you aree refering to the beta `1 version that came out 3 days ago?
[14:49] <Zvezdichko> Yes, yes...
[14:52] <Lerk> Hello everyone. Could you help me? I've last beta of kubuntu, and when i starting something(kate for example) i get message that "<some_dir> is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." What should i do?)
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> You trying to run somthing as root instead of your user?
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> uid 0 = root, uid 1000 = your first user
[14:54] <Lerk> i just type "kate", not "sudo kate"
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> whats the permissions on the directory in question?
[14:55] <Lerk> i run it from my home directory
[14:55] <Zvezdichko> ... initiating upgrade
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> so it litterally says  "<some dir> is owned by 1000 instead of uid 0"
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> it dosent give a actual directory?
[14:56] <Zvezdichko> Upgrade started :) Thumbs up... very curious how the new ubuntu looks like
[14:57] <Lerk> sorry, my mistake) i tried run from root(
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> apt://ttf-droid
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. does that url install a font/package for other people? :) just saw it at a web site.. and never noticed that trick befor
[14:58] <spreadthelove> when is the next update and will it address the issues of themes not changing and synaptic suddenly closing?
[14:58] <Lerk> it asks me "do you want to install fonts?"
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> the themes changed here.. but not the wallpaper...
[14:59] <test34> I changed my wallpaper
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> yea. this ubuntu torial web site had that url in it..  ive never seen  that done that way befor.
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> i could change the wallpaper..but it dident actually change till i loged out/back in
[14:59] <maxb> spreadthelove: "when is the next update" doesn't have an answer. Except during a freeze, updates are more or less continuous
[15:00] <test34> spreadthelove, and it doesnt mean the next problem will address your issues
[15:00] <test34> the next update
[15:01] <Lerk> and one more question. How can i mount ntfs dir if dolphin says me "... the option "locale=.." is not allowed for uid 0". I wanted to mount it myself, but fdisk -l shows nothing(
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> sudo ntfs-3g /dev/devicename  /media/mountpoint-that-exists-beforhand
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> use 'sudo fdisk -l' to see drives
[15:10] <kroson> hi
[15:10] <kroson> im having a trouble with karmic netbook remix
[15:10] <kroson> in jaunty desktop edition i could see pdf files in mozilla
[15:10] <kroson> firefox
[15:11] <imachine> did you use the native acroread plugin?
[15:11] <imachine> or did you use evince?
[15:11] <kroson> now i cant, even after installing mozplugger, i get an error permission denied
[15:11] <kroson> evince
[15:11] <imachine> hmm
[15:11] <imachine> dunno
[15:11] <imachine> I never got it working, it's beyond me, sometimes the plugin works, sometimes it just fails.
[15:11] <kroson> which one? evince?
[15:12] <kroson> if i cant get this to work, ill install adobe
[15:12] <imachine> yes
[15:12] <imachine> both evince and acroread
[15:12] <imachine> neither seem to cooperate with me :)
[15:12] <kroson> when i try to open a pdf
[15:12] <imachine> it could be firefox 3.5
[15:12] <kroson> in firefox
[15:13] <imachine> I just get a query about downloading the file or opening it in a chosen application
[15:13] <kroson> evince opens and it says "error opening the file. permission denied" in portuguese
[15:13] <imachine> that's what I always get.
[15:13] <kroson> i got that too
[15:13] <imachine> emove mozplugger?
[15:13] <kroson> so i installed mozplugger to see if it worked but i get this error
[15:13] <imachine> or look inside ~/.mozilla
[15:13] <guest42> How do I found out which driver X uses?
[15:13] <kroson> write in terminal glxinfo
[15:14] <kroson> imachine: if i remove mozplugger, ill get the download window again, i think
[15:14] <amortvigil> guest4 i could help you if you told me wat your variable stands for, sorry had to make the joke
[15:14] <imachine> yes mozplugger seems off
[15:15] <kroson> but in jaunty it worked fine
[15:15] <kroson> :S maybe firefox 3.5 bug or something
[15:15] <kroson> in firefox 3.0 from jaunty evince opened inside firefox, now it opens in a new window
[15:16] <guest42> kroson: did you mean me? I can't find anything specific in glxinfo
[15:16] <yofel> guest42: you should find it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - and ask again if you don't understand it
[15:16] <Q-FUNK> it worked in karmic too, until a few days ago
[15:16] <kroson> Q-FUNK: what worked?
[15:16] <kroson> xD
[15:16] <Q-FUNK> I'm guessing that this could be a gvfs issue.
[15:16] <kroson> i dont have it installed
[15:16] <kroson> gvfs-backends
[15:16] <kroson> do you think i should install it?
[15:17] <imachine> kroson, yes ffox 3.5 :) fail
[15:17] <imachine> hmm
[15:17] <kroson> does acroread plugin work for anyone?
[15:17] <imachine> no idea about gvfs
[15:18] <imachine> also as regards the pdf, evince is cool but can't print if pdf comes out of printable area
[15:18] <kroson> gvfs allows your apps to open files remotely
[15:18] <imachine> acroread has a neato option called "shrink to printable area"
[15:18] <imachine> hmm
[15:18] <imachine> I have gvfs-backends installed
[15:18] <kroson> so maybe evince needs gvfs to open pdfs from firefox
[15:19] <imachine> nope
[15:19] <imachine> because I have -backends
[15:19] <kroson> hmm anyways ill install it to see if theres difference
[15:19] <imachine> and it doesn't work
[15:19] <imachine> furthermore, firefox is sort of out of gvfs, so I feel
[15:19] <imachine> gvfs is separate from ffox
[15:19] <kroson> i dunno
[15:19] <imachine> to a certain extent
[15:19] <kroson> xD
[15:19] <imachine> try saving to a sftp server from ffox
[15:20] <imachine> when you get the save file as dialog box, you can only save files to local filesystems from ffox
[15:20] <imachine> even though you see your sftp:// shares mounted with gnome
[15:20] <kroson> yes i think you are right
[15:20] <kroson> ill install adobe reader
[15:20] <imachine> that's how it worked on 9.04 at least
[15:20] <kroson> is it in the repos?
[15:20] <imachine> but I don't think they changed much
[15:20] <imachine> medibuntu prolly
[15:20] <imachine> meh, dunno
[15:21] <imachine> I'll try get mozplugger now
[15:22] <kroson> ok then test evince
[15:22] <kroson> mozplugger and evince worked fine in fedora
[15:22] <kroson> 11
[15:22] <imachine> works fine here too
[15:22] <imachine> with mozplugger
[15:22] <imachine> but it seems that I can't set mozplugger on -force-download
[15:22] <imachine> and on -PDF/download
[15:23] <kroson> what ubuntu version are u using?
[15:23] <imachine> 9.10
[15:23] <imachine> desktop
[15:23] <imachine> lemm try edit /etc/mozpluggerc
[15:23] <kroson> here netbook remix
[15:23] <imachine> yea
[15:23] <kroson> can you open pdfs?
[15:24] <imachine> ofcourse
[15:24] <imachine> but w8
[15:24] <kroson> :S
[15:24] <kroson> maybe its gvfs
[15:24] <imachine> no, 90% not
[15:25] <imachine> I don't get mozplugger
[15:25] <imachine> in /etc/mozpluggerc, I added application/force-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:25] <imachine> application/x-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:25] <imachine> to /etc/mozpluggerc just above all the rest of pdf stuff
[15:26] <imachine> I can sort of choose mozplugger now in Mozilla -> Edit -> Preferences -> Applications
[15:26] <imachine> and everywhere with PDF I can choose to have MozPlugger handle it
[15:26] <imachine> BUT, any time I do encounter a pdf on teh web, I get evince open up it's own window
[15:26] <imachine> instead of nest it in firefox
[15:26] <kroson> yes
[15:26] <kroson> thats what i get too
[15:27] <kroson> it would not be a big problem if it opened the file and didnt give that stupid error
[15:27] <kroson> its a permissions error, permission denied
[15:27] <imachine> duno
[15:27] <imachine> imma try nest evince
[15:27] <kroson> acroread is in the partner canonical repository
[15:28] <imachine> not here, amd64 :)
[15:28] <imachine> ok now it works great!
[15:29] <imachine> and nests properly :-))))
[15:29] <imachine> you ned to change the line in /etc/mozpluggerc to read:
[15:29] <imachine> repeat noisy swallow(evince) fill: evince "$file"
[15:29] <imachine> then it nests
[15:29] <imachine> repeat noisy fill exits: evince "$file" <- if you have this, it will open a separate evince window :)
[15:29] <kroson> hmm as im noob can you explain exactly what i need to add and where?
[15:29] <kroson> sorry
[15:29] <kroson> xD
[15:30] <imachine> in /etc/mozpluggerc
[15:30] <kroson> yes
[15:30] <imachine> in /etc/mozpluggerrc
[15:30] <spreadthelove> karmic is alot slower then the alpha
[15:30] <imachine> when you have: application/pdf:pdf:PDF file
[15:30] <imachine> above it add two lines:
[15:30] <imachine> application/force-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:30] <imachine> application/x-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:30] <imachine> and below, where you have GV)
[15:30] <imachine> modify the line to read
[15:30] <imachine>         repeat noisy swallow(evince) fill: evince "$file"
[15:30] <siganderson> I did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade today and amarok in kubuntu 9.10 beta was auto removed... is it normal?
[15:31] <imachine> but if you have errors, it will probably not work either :-)
[15:31] <imachine> it will just nest your error ;-P
[15:32] <kroson> application/pdf:pdf:PDF file application/x-pdf:pdf:PDF file text/pdf:pdf:PDF file text/x-pdf:pdf:PDF file 	ACROREAD() 	repeat noisy swallow(kpdf) fill: kpdf "$file" 	repeat noisy swallow(Xpdf) fill: xpdf -g +9000+9000 "$file" 	repeat noisy swallow(okular) fill: okular "$file" 	GV() 	repeat noisy fill exits: evince "$file"
[15:32] <kroson> i have this
[15:32] <kroson> but you dont get this error when you open the pdf?
[15:35] <imachine> no errors no
[15:35] <imachine> I know what you have no need to paste
[15:36] <shiznebit> what is preferred to use ? evolution or thunderbird
[15:37] <rsk> shiznebit: you what you think is the best
[15:37] <imachine> evolution is nice but it's also big
[15:38] <imachine> has many features which you might not end up using
[15:38] <imachine> so it's a matter of choice
[15:38] <imachine> kroson, I think I will remove mozplugger overall anyway
[15:39] <imachine> beause I don't need pdf embeding
[15:39] <kroson> hmm is mozplugger only for pdf?
[15:39] <kroson> i think it may be for all the multimedia, :S
[15:39] <shiznebit> ubuntu one doesn't work yet ?
[15:39] <kroson> embed the multimedia instead of downloading it
[15:39] <rsk> shiznebit: why do you ask?
[15:40] <shiznebit> i tried to get to the website and get a 503
[15:40] <rsk> then the website is down then
[15:40] <kroson> brb
[15:44] <dv-> why doesn't the new totem player open movies in 1:1 any more?
[15:44] <rsk> oh someone actually using  totem, cool =)
[15:47] <Ian_> i've been using totem since jaunty, it's good :)
[15:47] <Ian_> lighter then vlc for my netbook :p
[15:50] <Peace-> beta upgrade failed
[15:50] <rsk> report bug to launchpad
[15:50] <Peace-> and kde 4 fucked up
[15:50] <Peace-> on jaunty the same kde works fine
[15:50] <Peace-> on karmic = shit
[15:50] <TheInfinity> Peace-: beta :)
[15:51] <maxb> Make a useful bug report or be quiet
[15:51] <Peace-> bah
[15:52] <Peace-> i have a bit  tired to create bug report
[15:52] <Ian_> ...
[15:52] <rsk> what's this faggotry ian?
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> faggotry?
[15:53] <jussi01> !language | Peace-
[15:53] <rsk> 4chan slang
[15:53] <jussi01> rsk: family friendly please
[15:54] <tgpraveen> in what ways is ubuntu software centre different from add/remove in jaunty?
[15:55] <rsk> tgpraveen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[15:57] <Peace-> ops
[15:57] <Peace-> *i am a bit tired
[15:57] <commander_> hey guys can i sync my blackberry on 9.10?
[15:58] <commander_> i heard about BARRY
[15:58] <MikeC> Hi all, are there any known problems with the Karmic beta in Virtual Box?
[15:59] <kroson> omg
[16:00] <kroson> karmic repos are so slow these days
[16:00] <yofel> kroson: you could try another mirror
[16:00] <kroson> im using the local one, portuguese
[16:00] <scoop21> Hi guys
[16:00] <kroson> but well for not its ok
[16:01] <kroson> now
[16:01] <kaddi> wouhou, I think I got the beta-packages now :p
[16:02] <commander_> hello
[16:02] <kroson> imachine: acroread worked here, so forget evince
[16:02] <kroson> i removed mozplugger too
[16:04] <Ian_Corne> what's wrong with evince?
[16:04] <scoop21> last week i tried to find guys who has proplems on laptop with karmic. The proplem was that the laptop goes in standby even i plugged out ac while is was plugged in and so.
[16:04] <Ian_Corne> kroson: try opening a pdf in a browser
[16:05] <scoop21> i mean: while battery was plugged in
[16:05] <kroson> Ian_Corne: that wasnt working for me
[16:05] <kroson> with evince
[16:05] <Ian_Corne> ah
[16:05] <kroson> first it opened the download dialog
[16:06] <Ian_Corne> yes
[16:06] <kroson> then i installed mozplugger but i got an error when opening the files
[16:06] <kroson> now i tried acroread and it embedding pdf works fine
[16:06] <kroson> xD
[16:06] <Ian_Corne> well the plugin for the browser didn't work for me (acroread) but that's even on jaunty
[16:07] <kroson> for me acroread always worked
[16:07] <kroson> evince used to work but now no longer
[16:07] <kroson> maybe ff 3.5 bug
[16:08] <scoop21> in KDE i haven't any problem that the system goes in standby after plugging ac out during i use battery
[16:08] <turtle4344> i tried the karmic beta, and the installer crashes on installing grub
[16:09] <kroson> karmic is looking good for now, except gdm (black?!?)
[16:09] <td123> is the us ubuntu server down or something?
[16:09] <scoop21> the problem occur even i logged in gnome.
[16:09] <td123> kroson: black is usually a good neutral color
[16:10] <kroson> yes but too black for gdm, in my opinion
[16:10] <scoop21> does anybody have same problems?
[16:10] <kroson> in what concerns the desktop, it is fine
[16:10] <kroson> intel driver is working fine, much better than in jaunty in my eee 901
[16:11] <kroson> i still cant play HD videos fine in youtube, if someone can, tell me how xD
[16:11] <kroson> for the rest normal and HQ play fine
[16:11] <commander_> can i sync my blackberry on this version?
[16:11] <rsk> commander_: tried it?
[16:11] <turtle4344> is anyone able to help me with grub installation?
[16:11] <IdleOne> !slow | td123
[16:12] <commander_> rsk does it work?
[16:12] <rsk> i have no idea
[16:12] <rsk> please don't answear my question with another question =)
[16:12] <kroson> td123: i downloaded my beta from the irish server yesterday
[16:13] <kroson> in my desktop i got 1mb/s speed, try that mirror
[16:13] <turtle4344> is there a channel specifically for grub2 issues?
[16:13] <imachine> kroson, cheers
[16:13] <kroson> in the ubuntu beta page, its one of the european mirrors
[16:14] <kroson> imachine: acroread perfect here xD, and much better than evince
[16:14] <turtle4344> is there a channel specifically for grub2 issues?
[16:15] <scoop21> it is better to use torrents to unload the servers
[16:16] <lizzzy> I installed kubuntu-kde-desktop on top of jaunty. Is it safe to autoremove ubuntu-desktop now?
[16:18] <Amaranth> removing ubuntu-desktop won't remove GNOME
[16:18] <tormod> turtle4344, don't repeat over and over again, too much noise here. ask to ask, here first.
[16:19] <turtle4344> ok
[16:19] <lizzzy> Amaranth: How do I uninstall gnome and its related apps then?
[16:19] <Zvezdichko> Upgrade completed! Everything load fine and no issues to report.
[16:19] <Amaranth> lizzzy: removing libgtk2.0-0 would remove pretty much all of it :)
[16:19] <kaddi> also I would advise not to ask the same question in two channels at once, or at least not to follow different advice given in different channels at the  same time, because they might interfere
[16:20] <lizzzy> Oh ok sorry kaddi :)
[16:20] <Amaranth> Zvezdichko: Yay
[16:22] <nacho> hi
[16:23] <nacho> does any of you had problems with the splash screen? for me it doesn't appear but for a long of time, some kind of update screwed it
[16:23] <nacho> any clues about how to update it?
[16:24] <nacho> s/update/fix
[16:25] <Trizicus> how do I know which version of ubuntu I have (i installed alpha 6 and updates however I do not know if i have beta)?
[16:25] <IdleOne> Trizicus: lsb_release -a
[16:25] <tormod> turtle4344, are you using the alternate or desktop CD?
[16:25] <turtle4344> tormod: live
[16:26] <Trizicus> it doens't say if i have beta or alpha
[16:26] <Trizicus> I installed alpha but don't I need to dist-upgrade to get to beta?
[16:26] <turtle4344> tormod: everything installed fine but ubiquity fails on gurb installation, here is the log http://pastebin.ca/1590707
[16:26] <IdleOne> uname -a perhaps what kernel is beta using?
[16:26] <tormod> turtle4344, any special disk setups? raid, usb drive, etc?
[16:27] <turtle4344> tormod: nope, installing from a CD
[16:27] <Trizicus> i installed alpha 6 and the latest updates and now I just relized beta is out... What do I have to do to ensure ubuntu gets updated from alpha to beta?
[16:27] <G_A_C> Trizicus: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[16:28] <Trizicus> thanks
[16:28] <tormod> turtle4344, file a bug using "ubuntu-bug grub-installer" and attach the log
[16:29] <scoop21> does anybody has standby problems (standby or hilbernate after few minutes) after plugging out ac while batterie is plugged in gome?
[16:29] <turtle4344> tormod: do i need an account for that?
[16:29] <tormod> you'll need an account on launchpad
[16:31] <turtle4344> tormod: would you mind filing it for me?
[16:32] <tgpraveen> guys am on jaunty and now if I use a karmic live cd and format my jaunty partition and install karmic over it will I be able to get ext 4 and GRUB 2?
[16:32] <kroson> yes
[16:32] <kroson> if you format with ext4
[16:32] <tormod> turtle4344, you will have to answer questions from the developers. just go for it. it's free and you'll get premium support :)
[16:32] <kroson> the / partition
[16:33] <kroson> youll always get grub 2 cause its installed with karmic on the / or /boot if you use it
[16:33] <MerlinW> i using ext4 with jaunty, but no changes for human beings:D
[16:33] <tgpraveen> so grub 1 willl be uninstalled when I format my jaunty partition itself? I want actual
[16:34] <turtle4344> tormod: what should i do in the mean time?
[16:34] <tgpraveen> GRUB2 not a chain linked one
[16:34] <IdleOne> tgpraveen: when you format the partition everything on it will be deleted. backup anything you want to keep
[16:34] <MerlinW> grub 1 will replaced
[16:35] <MerlinW> in mbr ofc
[16:35] <kroson> yes
[16:36] <kroson> it will replace your previous bootloader
[16:36] <MerlinW> i know, i just answered:D
[16:36] <tgpraveen> MerlinW:  kroson hmm so on a related side note I currently dual boot win and jaunty so if I format jaunty partition to say blank it with fat or something then automatically grub gets removed and windows bootloader takes over?
[16:36] <kroson> i didnt understand very well
[16:36] <kroson> what you mean
[16:37] <tormod> turtle4344, you can try to install grub manually but you may want to just wait. are you still on the Desktop cd, have everything installed and just need the grub?
[16:37] <MerlinW> if u have a win and jaunty now, just install karmic and will everything normal
[16:37] <kroson> but i think to remove grub you either restore mbr or replace it with another bootloader
[16:37] <MerlinW> like when u push a dist upgrade
[16:37] <turtle4344> tormod: yea, the whole system installed except grub
[16:37] <MerlinW> just do it, u will have no problems
[16:38] <tormod> turtle4344, you are not using raid, dmraid, fakeraid?
[16:39] <turtle4344> tormod: nope, all default settings from the installer, using the default file system and i selected "use entire disk"
[16:39] <tormod> turtle4344, and your disk is just a normal hard drive?
[16:40] <turtle4344> tormod: yep a standard seagate 160GB
[16:40] <Andy80> hi all
[16:40] <kroson> tgpraveen: if you blank your jaunty partition, i think grub gets removed, but not sure
[16:40] <Andy80> I think I'm not the first one who ask this but...
[16:40] <Andy80> I've upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 beta and now my system is totally fucked up -.-
[16:41] <kroson> and windows bootloader should load, but better someone more experienced tell you
[16:41] <Andy80> cannot boot
[16:41] <James147> Andy80: #ubuntu+1 for issues with karmic
[16:41] <Andy80> I'm getting some fsck errors at startup... I'm running 9.04 live now
[16:41] <kroson> Andy80: it should boot :S if you did it right
[16:41] <kaddi> this is ubuntu+1 no?
[16:41] <tormod> turtle4344,  I think cjwatson will be interested in your bug report and might be able to fix it fast.
[16:41] <Andy80> James147, this IS #ubuntu+1 :P
[16:41] <kroson> James147: lool
[16:41] <yofel> kroson tgpraveen: what you need to get grub2 is blank /boot and your mbr, a fresh karmic installation will do that
[16:41] <James147> Opps, wrong chanle :S
[16:42] <Andy80> kroson, I've just fsck-ed both /dev/sda1 (my / ) and /dev/sda5 (my /home) and they're "clean"
[16:42] <kroson> thats it, the advantage of having /boot partition is that you dont need to remove grub if you want to remove your linux os
[16:42] <tormod> turtle4344, the best way is if you file the bug right now, from the Desktop CD, ubuntu-bug will attach the necessary files
[16:43] <Andy80> so... how can I fix my problem?
[16:43] <kroson> im noob too i dont know andy
[16:44] <kroson> what is the error you have when you boot?
[16:44] <yofel> Andy80: can you disable 'quiet splash' in grub an tell us where it stops?
[16:44] <Andy80> how can I remember it?.... I've no way to take a screenshot of it
[16:44] <Andy80> yofel, yes, I can do it, wait...
[16:44] <turtle4344> tormod: how should i go about filing the bug, is there a built in utility in ubuntu that will?
[16:45] <Andy80> I just need to mount my old /
[16:45] <tormod> turtle4344, I think I already said "ubuntu-bug grub-installer"
[16:47] <Andy80> yofel, excuse me... where is located now grub.conf ?
[16:47] <MerlinW> /boot/grub
[16:47] <yofel> Andy80: you said that you upgraded from jaunty, you should still have menu.lst in that case
[16:47] <Andy80> nothing... ignore my question..
[16:47] <Andy80> yes...
[16:48] <tormod> Andy80, you can also remove it temporarily at the grub menu
[16:49] <Andy80> yofel, ok... now I've removed the "quiet splash", but.... how can I take note of the errors I'll get once I reboot?
[16:50] <yofel> Andy80: if you can't boot at all (not even repair mode) then you'll have to use paper and pencil I guess
[16:51] <Andy80> yofel, ok... I'll create a 9.10 startup USB before rebooting, just in case...
[16:51] <yofel> good idea :)
[16:52] <Andy80> but... I've the strong sensation I'll have to reinstall ALL from scratch -.-
[16:52] <scoop21> does anybody have a problem with standby during plugging in battery or ac in gnome?
[16:52] <Andy80> luckly I've separated /home
[16:53] <tormod> Andy80, you can try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootRecovery
[16:53] <gasg> Hello, somebody like me have tried 9.10 beta on the aspire one a110l?
[16:53] <djm62> Hi I want to test Karmic on my eeepc: how should I upgrade?
[16:53] <gasg> the kernel is totally incompatible
[16:53] <gasg> lot of errors during the bot and on desktop
[16:54] <djm62> (It's got a 4G system and 16G home drive... physically separate as far as I know)
[16:55] <Crashbit> mm compiz isn't activated during the startup of gnome. I have to activate it with "compiz --replace &" from a terminal
[16:55] <yofel> djm62: to upgrade use 'update-manager -d' (but make yourself a backup and a karmic live-flashdrive before that)
[16:55] <Andy80> anyway all of this is a bit confusing...
[16:55] <yofel> just in case something goes wrong
[16:55] <Andy80> on Ubuntu Planet all people say "please install 9.10, help us to test ecc..."
[16:55] <djm62> yofel: not enough space free to do that...
[16:55] <Andy80> and here you advise not to install it :P
[16:56] <yofel> Andy80: yes, please help us out to test it, but only if you're ok to break your system and have at lease some idea what you're doing
[16:56] <djm62> yofel: I suspect this either is or will be a common problem for people using 9.04 on netbooks: /var/cache/apt/ is on / and / is too small to do a dist-upgrade
[16:57] <Andy80> yofel, I've idea of what I'm doing, it's just annoying ;)
[16:57] <Andy80> ok... now I reboot to take note about errors
[16:57] <djm62> so that lovely convenient debian-style apt-get upgrade doesn't work
[16:58] <yofel> djm62: in the default setup you only have one partition. e.g. / and so you shouldn't have any space problems
[16:58] <dredhammer> hello i need help with grub2 for Karmic i upgraded from 9.04 but i can only boot into ubuntu if i use the live cd and select boot from harddrive, if i dont do this i get a grub 1.5  (the old grub) Error 15
[16:59] <djm62> yofel: on the eeepc901 linux edition there is one 4G disk and one 16G disk (physically separate).  As far as I know the WinXP just had the 16G disk
[16:59] <yofel> djm62: if you want to upgrade without update-manager you could edit the apt sources.list, change jaunty to karmic there and disable all ppa's (make a backup of the file before that)
[16:59] <yofel> djm62: ok, that's a bit small for upgrading, I guess you'll have to make a clean installation
[17:01] <djm62> well, there are still options: 2 that I can think of.  I can mount /var/cache/apt/archives on an external disk, or I can install 9.10 from an external disk, leaving my /home/ alone
[17:01] <djm62> is one recommended, or are there instructions about it somewhere?
[17:02] <James147> djm62: You could bind a folder in /home to /var/cache/apt/...
[17:02] <djm62> 3 options ;-)
[17:03] <SVisor> As always.. something breaks when upgrading. Upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and now headphones do not work.  I tried the different "profiles". Those marked as "Duplex" gives me the option to select "headphone" but no sound. Does someone has a solution?
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> try the pulse audio specific mixer and tools perhaps.
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> pavucontrol and so forth.
[17:05]  * Dr_Willis notices how weird the search feature in synaptic is...
[17:05] <BluesKaj> skype kills all audio
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> i search for 'pav' and it shows 'TINT' (a game)  - because the programers name is Pavlovsky.
[17:06] <BluesKaj> must be a reported bug..ythink I saw something about it
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> !info anarchism
[17:08] <BluesKaj> !skype
[17:08] <BluesKaj> !Ekiga
[17:08] <djm62> Dr_Willis: is the programmer's name mentioned in the description?
[17:11] <djm62> !u200
[17:11] <djm62> !madwimax
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  yea.
[17:11] <djm62> d'oh :-(
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  search for 'pav'
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed several packagtes that do that.
[17:12] <wekt> Does ekiga or voice chat work smoothly with Pulse?  I get stuttering.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> i imagine thats why 'apt-cache search 'is always so cluttereed also
[17:12] <SVisor> pulse-mixer gives same options with same result.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  we going to have to file bug reports on bad descriptions? :)
[17:12] <wekt> SVisor: same as?
[17:13] <wekt> SVisor: as without pulse?
[17:13] <SVisor> Sorry.. No sound on headphones.
[17:13] <SVisor> I can select headphones, but no sound.
[17:13] <Lerk> Can anybody say where can i get 32bit libXp library for amd64 arch?
[17:14] <djm62> Dr_Willis: I guess that would upset a load of coders, but it isn't much of a fix to tell search to ignore descriptions....
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  yea. thats why i think they need to expand the package descripions with lots of 'tags'
[17:14] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is choppy and distorted on my setup. it's prolly ok on onboard sound but with pci cards there seems to be a kernel module problem with pulse and the kernel sound module for the pci card trying to run simultaneously resulting one audio driver fighting the other.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> very few of the desccriptsions actually have 'names' in them.
[17:15] <albert23> Lerk: in package ia32-libs
[17:15] <djm62> Dr_Willis: better to do that kind of thing online, with apt: urls, perhaps? where it can be tinkered with?
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  yea. im looking throug many descriptisons now.. seems about 3% also include urls to the programs homepage.
[17:16] <Dr_Willis>  some definatly need tobe more 'concise' in what the package does
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> !info beep
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Im guessing they got a 'short' concise description (as shown above) then a LONG descrion you see in synaptic
[17:17] <djm62> yeah, they usually have a one line summary, that you see if you do "aptitude search barfoo"
[17:17] <yofel> Dr_Willis: exactly, the debian packaging system requires a one line description (max. 80 chars I think) and an additional long description
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> now if they could require a GOOD description. :)
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..heres a neat tool i just saw..
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> !info bindfs
[17:19] <djm62> who owns the description? I mean, who should change it?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> bindfs has a VERY good long description. :)
[17:19] <yofel> djm62: the description is done by the packager, e.g. the maintainer of the package
[17:19] <djm62> what's the ratio of packages to maintainers?
[17:20] <yofel> if you guys are interested, do 'apt-get source <somepkg>' and then read sourefolder/debian/control there you can find the description
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> What do they do for Other languages also? each package has 5+ descriptions thats been translated?
[17:20] <djm62> no way
[17:21] <yofel> djm62: well, some packages are maintained in ubuntu, some are just synced from debian, you can find the maintainer in the debian/control file too
[17:21] <djm62> grabbing  the file now
[17:21] <djm62> the source file
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Im seeing more and more of these 'desktops' variants for specific locales with themes, grub, splash, wallpaper, and so forth.
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> !info brdesktop-gnome
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> This metapackage installs a selection of packages for BrDesktop, giving a
[17:23] <djm62> seems like we could improve the description by automating, crowdsourcing, editing, and approving
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> pleasant GNOME desktop environment with the basic resources for
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> ordinary Brazilian users. It is useful only to speakers of Brazilian
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Now..  what in a theme package like that is language specific anyway?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> the more i explore.. the stranger things get. :)
[17:25] <djm62> you'd think Brazilian dictionaries would be covered by localisation, and not need an extra package
[17:25] <djm62> maybe it's stuff that is mostly in that part of the world, like whatever the local dominant IM system is
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> from what i gather thats just a fancy splash screen, and grub wallpaper. and so forth
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> !info tropic-look
[17:26] <ikt> what are the issues of supporting >4GB of ram on a 32 bit system?
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> onw of the worst descriptions... :) tropic-look.
[17:26] <ikt> is it because only a few intel cpu's support it?
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> Long decription = 2 lines..  "The Tropic Theme - this is a meta package"
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:27] <limx> hi
[17:27] <yofel> ikt: 32bit only has physical adress space for a bit less than 4GB, so you need pae to support the other space
[17:28] <limx> where is the xorg.conf located?
[17:28] <limx> i cant find it in /etc/X11
[17:28] <Amaranth> limx: There isn't one by default anymore
[17:28] <Amaranth> Generally no need for one
[17:29] <limx> ok, and where are the configs located now?
[17:29] <grturner> limx, the X is configured by the gui now
[17:29] <limx> what?
[17:29] <limx> oh god
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> perhaps tell us what you are trying to do....
[17:30] <grturner> system > preferences > display
[17:30] <yofel> limx: why do you need to change the configuration?
[17:30] <commander_> does anyone have reboot issues here?
[17:30] <limx> i have to add some special options for my graphics card
[17:30] <limx> some options to save energy
[17:31] <grturner> system > preferences > power management is where you can configure energy stuff
[17:31] <yofel> limx: create a dummy one with 'sudo Xorg -configure' and copy it from /root to /etc/X11/ and then edit it
[17:32] <limx> mh
[17:32] <sven-tek> Wie geil, ich bin von Karmic echt begeistert
[17:32] <limx> i have to stop the xorg server for this?
[17:32] <thiebaude> !de
[17:32] <Adapter> slow traffic at ubuntu server today? anybody else
[17:33] <yofel> sven-tek: come to #ubuntu-de+1
[17:33] <sven-tek> ups
[17:33] <limx> <- is not that happy with karmic
[17:33] <grturner> limx, even jaunty or intrepid didnt really utilize an xorg.conf
[17:33] <scoop21> try to use torrent instead of direct download
[17:34] <limx> ubuntu: 20 watts power consumption windows 7: 12 watts
[17:34] <Adapter> i must download vue first :)
[17:34] <limx> that means: only 2 hours runtime...
[17:35] <grturner> limx you can also use the cpu frequency scaling monitor to manually set the clock speed of your processor
[17:35] <thiebaude> limx, how do i find out how much watts my ubuntu 9.10 uses?
[17:36] <limx> thiebaude: if you have a notebook, use the battery icon above
[17:36] <limx> it shows you a watt number
[17:36] <thiebaude> limx, i'am on a desktop
[17:36] <scoop21> notebook standby pobs after battery plugging?
[17:36] <sven-tek> thiebaude, i have an adaptor plug showing the power usage
[17:36] <limx> ...?
[17:36] <James147> thiebaude: powertop  is a great app for measuing power related things
[17:36] <limx> then it doesnt matter
[17:36] <yofel> powertop says I have ~11w on my eeePC 1000H
[17:37] <thiebaude> i've been using ubuntu for 5yrs and never thought about power consumption
[17:37] <limx> thiebaude: because you dont have a notebook
[17:37] <thiebaude> limx, yep
[17:37] <James147> thiebaude: its more important on loptops then desktops
[17:37] <thiebaude> James147, even if the laptop is plugged in?
[17:37] <limx> it's the most important thing on a laptop
[17:38] <limx> it's useless when the laptop goes off after 2 hours
[17:38] <James147> thiebaude: less so :) but in general
[17:38] <thiebaude> James147, i understand it
[17:39] <James147> best to set up laptop mode if you have a laptop... ubuntu has it just dosent enable it by default for somereason
[17:39] <yofel> James147: it's supposed to cause problems on some  systems
[17:40] <yofel> and I don't like the too savy settings for the hdd
[17:40] <Andy80> hi again
[17:40] <yofel> Andy80: wb
[17:40] <thiebaude> hi andy
[17:40] <Andy80> after some tries my system booted up normally
[17:41] <Andy80> anyway I think it was a fsck problem...
[17:41] <limx> how do I enable laptop mode?
[17:41] <Andy80> it looks like more extended than the "known issue"
[17:41] <James147> yofel: its not hard to disable the power saving for hdd, hell by default it disables virtually everything :S
[17:41] <yofel> Andy80: did you by chance get something about last mount time in the future
[17:41] <Andy80> in my case my system needed a check because it was monted 31 times...
[17:41] <Andy80> yofel: what?
[17:42] <yofel> Andy80: had that yesterday after booting jaunty once. it fixed itself after a few boots
[17:42] <Andy80> yofel: I hope someone fix this before final release, looks like a very big problem for a new user...
[17:42] <Andy80> it will take minutes to switch back to window$ :P
[17:42] <yofel> Andy80: iirc it was supposed to be fixed with the new kernel
[17:43] <Andy80> this kernel: Linux andrea-laptop 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:43] <Andy80> or a new one?
[17:43] <yofel> Andy80: that's the supposedly fixed one, I don't know more right now
[17:44] <thiebaude> Andy80, i got that kernel
[17:44] <Andy80> btw.... I've a strange problem with Telepathy: it's not visible in the top bar... so if someone writes me I only see the bubble notification and I cannot open the chat...
[17:45] <Andy80> am I missing any particular applet?
[17:48] <mikejet> Will 9.10 have the new gnome release a few weeks ago?
[17:48] <Amaranth> Andy80: It should be the little mail icon
[17:48] <Amaranth> mikejet: we've already got it
[17:49] <mikejet> Amaranth, Great. the GUI updates are my favorite part of new releases (so far).
[17:49] <Moc> I don't see much changes in the GUI
[17:49] <Moc> except they made the icon set on top near invisible
[17:50] <grturner> any news on ati with karmic, or for compatability are we still going to have to downgrade to intrepid xorg packages and use that
[17:50] <luca> hi everyone, can someone please help me to recover my karmic installation?
[17:50] <Moc> Im on ATI rightnow with open source driver and it seem to work ok
[17:50] <luca> I am not able to boot into my system anymore
[17:51] <commander_> it won't reboot,suspend ,hibernate or nothing i have to manually turn it off
[17:51] <thiebaude> !details
[17:51] <grturner> Moc, what about 3d programs?
[17:52] <Moc> damn that bug still exist... when you go the the im/mail icon and select empathi, it doesn't un minimize it
[17:52] <luca> thiebade, I would like to, but they are scarce; it blocks during boot, when gdm should be loading, with a "Crypswap1 (started) message
[17:52] <luca> the system seems to boot, but I am not able to get to the login screen or boot into the system
[17:52] <Moc> grturner: I've run for about 1 hours in xgl, but im in 1920x1080 on a old dell d610 notebook, so it was ok until you have too much windows open
[17:53] <mikejet> Moc : I like the 100 cuts improvements.
[17:53] <Amaranth> Moc: Not Xgl, Xgl was removed from the archive
[17:53] <Moc> 100 cuts ?
[17:53] <Moc> well compiz
[17:53] <Moc> or what ever
[17:54] <Amaranth> Too many people confuse Xgl, Compiz, and Compiz-Fusion :)
[17:54] <Amaranth> You're running compiz with some fusion plugins :)
[17:54] <Amaranth> Although as of compiz 0.9 it's just compiz, the fusion name is going away
[17:54] <luca> thiebaude: also, if I try to mount my encrypted home directory from live (as I am now), it says: "ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly"
[17:55] <luca> thiebaude: I *think* it might be something related to encryption, but I did no fancy operations on that front, apart having an encrypted home as per installation instructions
[17:55] <thiebaude> luca, ok
[17:57] <Moc> I hope they fix the change language key
[17:57] <luca> thiebaude: any advice?
[17:58] <thiebaude> luca, i dont know about that
[17:58] <luca> thiebaude ok thanks
[17:58] <thiebaude> luca, np
[17:58] <Amaranth> Moc: bug number?
[17:58] <thiebaude> luca, how did you upgrade?
[17:58] <luca> thiebaude: clean install
[17:59] <Moc> One thing I find weird is in empathy, instead of next or continue in the new account, it say forward ...
[17:59] <thiebaude> luca, i did a upgrade from 9.04
[17:59] <luca> so I have all backups ready if this is a worst case scenario ;)
[17:59] <luca> thiebaude oh ok
[17:59] <mikejet> Amaranth, I wish the whole x-win, compbiz, gnome, kde, opengl stuff weren't so confusing.
[17:59] <thiebaude> everything works just right, compiz etc
[17:59] <Moc> it feel like someone in another language did it, then was just translated word for word in english
[18:00] <Moc> Amaranth: oh boy, let me try to find that
[18:01] <Moc> Amaranth: 363363
[18:01]  * joshua__ wonders what happened to his splash screen on startup...
[18:01] <Amaranth> bug 363363
[18:01] <Amaranth> nice number
[18:02] <Moc> that bug was introduced in 8.10
[18:03] <Moc> I feel that you need to know a dev to actually get a bug to be looked at
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: it's New
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: You know me now :)
[18:03] <Moc> april 2009 is considered new ?
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: what you need to do is file them against the right package
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: no no, the status is New and it has no package
[18:03] <thiebaude> Amaranth, what part of development do you work on?
[18:04] <Amaranth> that means no one has seen it
[18:04] <Amaranth> thiebaude: compiz
[18:04] <Moc> I have no idea what packages language switcher is with... it come default in install
[18:04] <Moc> package gnome ?
[18:04] <mikejet> Is compiz installed by default?
[18:04] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i just want to say that for me compiz works perfect and no bugs
[18:04] <Amaranth> mikejet: installed and enabled by default
[18:04] <Amaranth> thiebaude: awesome :)
[18:05] <Amaranth> Moc: What GUI tool is this?
[18:05] <Amaranth> System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[18:05] <Moc> yes
[18:05] <Amaranth> alright, let me fix up the bug report
[18:05] <Moc> let me try if it still in 9.10 beta first ;)
[18:06] <Andy80> is it normal that the System menu on top has no icons? Only the sub-menus have them :\
[18:06] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i migrated from 9.04, and made sure everything was installed on 9.04 before moving over over
[18:06] <Amaranth> Andy80: expected
[18:06] <Andy80> Amaranth: known bug?
[18:06] <Amaranth> Andy80: Not a bug
[18:06] <Moc> it be nice if the keyboard indicator panel get added automaticly when you add a second keyboard (like in windows)
[18:07] <Amaranth> Moc: there, bug 363363 cleaned up and waiting for you to test with karmic and answer the questions asked there
[18:09] <Andy80> Amaranth: and in "indicator-applet-session 0.1" --> Se Status --> I cannot see any icon... is this a not-a-bug too?
[18:09] <Moc> done
[18:10] <Amaranth> Andy80: Correct
[18:10] <Amaranth> Andy80: You'll notice icons are missing from most of the desktop
[18:10] <Amaranth> This is intentional
[18:10] <Andy80> Amaranth: ihmo: it's simply ugly :(
[18:11] <Moc> background of the keyboard indication panel doesn't match the top bar
[18:11] <penguin42> Andy80: Fortunately you can turn the menu ones back on from system->preferences->appearance->interface 'show icons in menus' - I agree with you
[18:12] <Andy80> penguin42: much much better in this way :) really thank you :)
[18:12] <mac_v> Andy80: in almost everyone's opinion its ugly ;)
[18:12] <Moc> ha weird your right no icons
[18:12] <akio> holy crap my USB ports are all dead
[18:12] <Andy80> I'd like to discuss with people who did this :P
[18:12] <thiebaude> penguin42, yea, thanks
[18:13] <akio> this is a kernel issue right?
[18:13] <penguin42> Andy80: There's a bug for it - let me just find it
[18:13] <Amaranth> Andy80: Upstream GNOME usability folks and the Canonical Design Team
[18:13] <mac_v> Andy80:  Moc: Bug #407621
[18:13] <Amaranth> Having the icons removed from most menu items makes the ones that have icons stand out
[18:13] <Moc> the preview options in apperance preference either doesn't have icon for items in menu, or they dont reflect the show icons in menu
[18:14] <mac_v> Amaranth: but the present solution is not ideal... it was never a consensus but done only by a small group of individuals
[18:14] <mac_v> mostly 3-4
[18:14] <akio> bike shed argument
[18:14] <Amaranth> mac_v: people need to follow the right mailing lists ;)
[18:14] <penguin42> Amaranth: Which one is that?
[18:15] <mac_v> Amaranth: nope... there was never a ML for this ;)
[18:15] <Amaranth> mac_v: There was, I knew it was coming
[18:15] <Amaranth> penguin42: I dunno, I'm on all of them
[18:15] <mac_v> Amaranth: hmm.. well even mpt didnt know i guess ;)
[18:15] <penguin42> Amaranth: Is it an ayatana one or further upstream?
[18:15] <Amaranth> upstream GNOME
[18:16] <mac_v> *didnt know about the ML
[18:16] <Amaranth> Back in 2005 or so I went to lists.gnome.org and subscribed to almost all of them :)
[18:16] <penguin42> Amaranth: Ouch
[18:16] <mac_v> lol.. that must be a huge spam ;)
[18:16] <penguin42> Amaranth must get trampled by gnomes
[18:16] <Amaranth> Most of them are low volume but incredibly interesting when they have something
[18:17] <Amaranth> mac_v: I believe it was not titled properly but there was a ML post about it
[18:17] <penguin42> has anyone else been having update manager ask for the password trice on updates recently?
[18:17] <thiebaude> Amaranth, for 9.10 are you done now with compiz development?
[18:17] <Amaranth> I don't think it was on d-d-l though
[18:17] <mac_v> penguin42: happened to me too :) ..
[18:17] <mac_v> but seems solved now
[18:17] <Amaranth> thiebaude: Hopefully 0.8.4 will be out in a couple days and I've got one more packaging push to do
[18:17] <penguin42> mac_v: Ah ok, I'm still waiting for todays stuff to go in
[18:18] <Amaranth> thiebaude: But that'll only fix 17 or so more bugs then we're done
[18:18] <thiebaude> Amaranth, so i can expect a compiz update?
[18:18] <Moc> I need to find a way to make 2 icons at the top, 1 to access empathy, and one to access my email client (not evolution)
[18:18] <Moc> I wish evolusions look and felt more like thunderbird
[18:18] <mikejet> I've always disliked the workspace selectors in the bottom right, where they show what apps run in each workspace.
[18:18] <Amaranth> thiebaude: yes
[18:19] <Amaranth> thiebaude: it'll fix this list of bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs?field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED
[18:19] <Amaranth> plus hopefully one or two more
[18:20] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i'll see if i have that bug
[18:20]  * penguin42 wonders if compiz is enableable on i945G these days - it went through a period where it was disabled
[18:20] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i dont have any of those bigs in compiz
[18:20] <Amaranth> penguin42: The only one we have blacklisted is 845
[18:20] <mikejet> Amaranth, Is there a webpage with the top 10 improvements?
[18:20] <thiebaude> bugs
[18:21] <Moc> weird, in 9.10 the cpu scale doesn't show the same mhz list as in 8.10
[18:21] <Amaranth> thiebaude: you have at least a few of them
[18:21] <Amaranth> thiebaude: you just don't notice :)
[18:21] <penguin42> Amaranth: Thanks, I might try turning it on again - I don't really use the compiz stuff, but I might give it a go again
[18:21] <yofel> mikejet: you can read some new features on the beta release page
[18:21] <akio> Take a look at this craziness: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284756/
[18:21] <thiebaude> Amaranth, yep, exactly
[18:21] <Amaranth> mikejet: compiz improvement are purely bug fixes
[18:22]  * mac_v thinks Ubuntu wasted time on xsplash just out of pride to not adopt plymouth
[18:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: 865G should work then?
[18:22] <Amaranth> IdleOne: hmm, maybe we blacklist that one to
[18:22] <akio> +1 mac_v
[18:22] <Amaranth> too*
[18:22] <Amaranth> IdleOne: try it
[18:22] <thiebaude> my startup screen is blank before the login
[18:22] <Amaranth> T="$T 8086:3577 8086:2562 " # Intel 830MG, 845G (LP: #259385)
[18:22] <yofel> mac_v: wasn't it because plymouth takes too long to initialize? (not that xsplash is any better
[18:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: I can't get past login window with karmic
[18:22] <Amaranth> those are the ones we blacklist
[18:23] <Amaranth> IdleOne: does it crash X?
[18:23] <IdleOne> Amaranth: computer freezes hard
[18:23] <akio> I haven't used it but it dos look like it would be something that would take longer to do rather than quicker
[18:23] <IdleOne> as long as I don't click on anything it's golden
[18:23] <mac_v> yofel: not sure that is the reason, havent heard such complains though... anyways the graphics with plymouth are better than the xsplash we have now! ;p
[18:24] <IdleOne> but usability is limited when all I can look at is the login manager
[18:24] <kaddi> hi, somehow the behaviour of my konsole changed: Usually tabcompletion does not work unless the completion is unique. Now it simply uses the first file matching the starting letters (like in windows). How can I change it back to not do completion unless unambiguous
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  set it to autologin? :)
[18:24] <Amaranth> IdleOne: Oh so you don't even get to put your password in?
[18:24] <IdleOne> lmao Dr_Willis
[18:24] <IdleOne> Amaranth: no
[18:24] <yofel> mac_v: at least plymouth doesn't show a bunch of text before starting...
[18:24] <mac_v> yofel: yeah... hate the text :/
[18:25] <Amaranth> IdleOne: Ok, not compiz then :)
[18:25] <zniavre> !grub2
[18:25] <thiebaude> yofel, i dont have that text at startup anymore ,just a blank screen
[18:25] <IdleOne> Amaranth: with the live cd I got to the desktop and soon as I clicked on firefox it loaded and froze
[18:25] <Amaranth> IdleOne: yeah, just general driver breakage there though
[18:25] <Amaranth> IdleOne: not only triggered by compiz
[18:25] <mac_v> thiebaude: since when? i updated ~6hrs ago and still i get text :(
[18:26] <yofel> well, I don't use splash since I like the text (much more useful in case something goes wrong)
[18:26] <Moc> damn nwow flash doesn't woprk
[18:26] <penguin42> Amaranth: The problem I guess is compiz tends to push the drivers pretty hard (not Compiz's fault)
[18:26] <IdleOne> Amaranth: general driver breakage kinda blows. I would hope that I could atleast run firefox
[18:26] <thiebaude> mac_v, about 24 hrs or so
[18:26] <mac_v> then i must be among the unlucky ones :(
[18:27] <Moc> install->youtube->install flash from adobe via the .deb and restart firefox and no flash working
[18:27] <thiebaude> mac_v, you think they are going to put something in the place of the blank screen?
[18:27] <IdleOne> !flash | Moc
[18:27] <thiebaude> besides text
[18:28] <thiebaude> mac_v, for me it still isn't a show-stopper
[18:28] <ikt> getting frustrated, totem crashing >a lot< apport picks it up, but when I click report cpu goes to 100% on both cores and it just sits there collecting data
[18:28] <Moc> IdleOne: that not so great for new user
[18:28] <IdleOne> Moc: how is that not great?
[18:29] <mac_v> thiebaude: the blank screen should actually not be shown and the dark splash wallpaper should be displayed...
[18:29] <mac_v> so there are still problems :/
[18:29] <IdleOne> Moc: a new user should not be running Alpha/beta release
[18:29] <mikejet> i really don't like totem.  it seems to crash 100% of the time, after it configures itself to play a bunch of media types.
[18:29] <Amaranth> mac_v: The problem is X takes forever to start on systems without SSD
[18:29] <akio> mikejet, her too
[18:29] <mac_v> exactly!
[18:30] <akio> here*
[18:30] <thiebaude> mac_v, yep, i know there will be many more updates with 26 days to go
[18:30] <Amaranth> mac_v: X starts as fast in karmic as it did in jaunty for me but in jaunty that was the end of the boot
[18:30] <Amaranth> I expected to get X in 5 seconds, not 15
[18:30] <penguin42> Amaranth: Does some stuff need to get added to the readahead lists or someone go and find out wtf is getting accessed and remove excess crud?
[18:30] <Amaranth> penguin42: I have no idea
[18:31] <thiebaude> Amaranth, so far 9.04 is faster to start than 9.10 for me
[18:31] <mac_v> me too
[18:31] <Amaranth> penguin42: We use sreadahead now which is great for SSD but not so good for HDD
[18:31] <mikejet> the fundamental bug with AV media is it is way too confusing and there are way too many projects to configure.
[18:31] <Amaranth> Apparently karmic starts really fast if you do a clean install now
[18:31] <yofel> thiebaude: you could try to chart jaunty and karmic with bootchart and find out what takes longer
[18:31] <thiebaude> ok
[18:31] <Amaranth> yofel: A bit late now :)
[18:31] <akio> I did a clean install and it starts very quickly, I haven't tweaked any services either
[18:31] <penguin42> Amaranth: Hmm pity that it doesn't use the one best for the device it's on
[18:32] <thiebaude> well, the blank screen is what does it
[18:32] <Amaranth> penguin42: well scott claims sreadahead is as good as readahead-list for HDD
[18:32] <mac_v> thiebaude: check the log if some module is stalling /me had a webcam module which cause delays
[18:32] <penguin42> Amaranth: I should have a look at it - I keep thinking it needs triggering on resume from hibernate
[18:32] <Amaranth> err, no
[18:33] <Amaranth> resume from hibernate is reading 1 file
[18:33] <penguin42> Amaranth: No, after that
[18:33] <penguin42> Amaranth: I find lots and lots of stuff is swapped out
[18:33] <Amaranth> sreadahead and readahead-list only handle boot stuff
[18:33] <thiebaude> mac_v, which log and where?
[18:33] <Amaranth> penguin42: Everything is swapped out, intentionally
[18:33] <Amaranth> penguin42: suspend and hibernate drop all caches so they have room to work
[18:34] <Amaranth> so not even swapped out, really
[18:34] <penguin42> Amaranth: Yeh but what I'd like is for it to go and start fetching stuff off disk for the X apps I'm inevitably going to use - e.g. the screensaver
[18:34] <Amaranth> just no more HD cache
[18:34] <mac_v> thiebaude: syslog and kernel logs , but mainly syslogs , you could use the graphical logviewer from the system> administration menu
[18:34] <thiebaude> mac_v, ok, thanks alot
[18:34] <penguin42> Amaranth: At the moment I come out of hibernate and every app crawls along slowly as it gets swapped in, it could do some of that for me
[18:35] <Amaranth> penguin42: not the job of sreadahead :)
[18:35] <Amaranth> penguin42: you want to install preload
[18:35] <thiebaude> mac_v, i got it, what item on the left do i look at?
[18:35] <penguin42> Amaranth: readahead just takes a list of files to do the read on - it just needs the same stuff from a different list
[18:35] <thiebaude> system log viewer
[18:35] <Amaranth> penguin42: sreadahead is a little different
[18:36] <gogereaver1> anyone knoe why my touchpad isnt working
[18:36] <thiebaude> !details
[18:36] <penguin42> Amaranth: Oh, I'll have a look at it and preload - thanks for the tip; I was wondering about doing something like during hibernate noting the X apps and generating a list to be fetched in the background on resume
[18:37] <mac_v> thiebaude: check for any multiple repetitions , for me it was something like > vc032x: i2c bs busy wait
[18:37] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[18:37] <BenBu> kubuntu 9.10: kpackagekit doesn't work for me, says I don't have the "necessary privileges", and then crashes. even if I start it with "kdesudo kpackagekit"
[18:37] <gogereaver1> its a eeepc 900a the touchpad works untill i login
[18:37] <thiebaude> brb
[18:38] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: is it the whole touchpad that stops or just tap to click?
[18:38] <gogereaver1> tap
[18:38] <mac_v> that was my webcam module
[18:38] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: This is by design
[18:38] <gogereaver1> wtf
[18:38] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: Turn it on again in System->Preferences->Mouse if you want it back
[18:38] <gasg> In 9.10 running kernel 2.6.31, this is really uncompatible it seems with these netbook like aa1, eepc etc...
[18:38] <gogereaver1> why would it be off
[18:39] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: because it's too easy to trigger accidentally while typing
[18:39] <AnAnt> Hello, gnome-bluetooth does not ask if I want to "Access internet using the mobile phone" after I successfully pair with that phone
[18:39] <yofel> gasg: I have a eeePC 1000H and 2.6.31 works flawless
[18:39] <gasg> the kernel need to be patched.. I think the team done first to final release
[18:39] <gogereaver1> sence when
[18:39] <gasg> yofel: really?
[18:39] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: it is hardware dependent
[18:39] <mac_v> gogereaver1:
[18:40] <mac_v> oops!
[18:40] <AnAnt> although Gnome mentions in its 2.28.0 release notes that gnome-bluetooth & network-manager work together
[18:40] <gasg> yofel: on my aa1 it didn't works
[18:40] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: On my laptop old laptop I trigger the tap to click whenever I try to use the touchpad to move
[18:40] <gogereaver1> i dont see how anyone could hit the touchpad wile typing
[18:40] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: You must have smaller hands
[18:40] <penguin42> gogereaver1: I do it
[18:40] <gogereaver1> duder its a eee
[18:40] <mac_v> gogereaver1: as Amaranth says its hardware dependant :)
[18:40] <gogereaver1> dude
[18:41] <penguin42> There's a demon somewhere that disables the touchpad while you type
[18:41] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: and on some touchpads you don't even have to tap, just hovering close by counts
[18:41] <gogereaver1> very small keybord and i stildont do it
[18:41] <mac_v> penguin42: syndaemon ?
[18:41] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[18:41] <penguin42> mac_v: Rings a bell
[18:41] <gogereaver1> well msot you can change how sentive they are
[18:41] <gogereaver1> mine you need to give it a good tap
[18:42] <Amaranth> I have hands so big the original Xbox controller seemed like a perfect fit so I'm not the normal for this case I guess :)
[18:42] <mac_v> lol ^
[18:42] <gogereaver1> i can make it just a touch if i whanted
[18:42] <gogereaver1> i just turn down its sentivty
[18:42] <gogereaver1> works great
[18:43] <mac_v> gogereaver1: similarly just turn on the tap-toclick ;)
[18:43] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: But what level of sensitivity is right is different for each user and each laptop
[18:43] <gogereaver1> oh i did its working now :)
[18:43] <penguin42> Is the gui for adjusting it installed by default these days?
[18:43] <myk_robinson> I have a laptop with Bluetooth, and cannot disable it in BIOS. How can I turn of the Bluetooth chip and not just the service?
[18:43] <gogereaver1> lol thats why you can adjust it
[18:43] <mac_v> penguin42: yup
[18:44] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: You shouldn't have to
[18:44] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: Thus tap to click off by default
[18:44] <gogereaver1> eee touchpads normal click is mutch worse then the touch
[18:44] <Amaranth> I disagree
[18:44] <Amaranth> See how that woks?
[18:45] <gogereaver1> and they ware
[18:45] <Amaranth> works*
[18:45] <gogereaver1> oh it took me a wile to get used to it
[18:45] <gogereaver1> never owing a laptop befor
[18:46] <Amaranth> yeah, that isn't the problem
[18:46] <Amaranth> I use tap to click on my macbook
[18:46] <gogereaver1> oh
[18:46] <gogereaver1> those small touchpads
[18:46] <gogereaver1> yea they can be a pain
[18:46] <Amaranth> it's not small
[18:47] <Amaranth> anyway...
[18:47]  * Amaranth goes to do something else
[18:47] <gogereaver1> lol
[18:48] <gogereaver1> lol the topic it outdated
[18:48] <gogereaver1> beta got relesed today
[18:48]  * penguin42 waits for the flood
[18:48] <rsk> correct
[18:49] <AnAnt> anyone tried GPRS/3G connection using NetworkManager + gnome-bluetooth on karmic ?
[18:50] <gogereaver1> try and tell us how it goes
[18:50] <gogereaver1> .lim likin the new unr look
[18:50] <gogereaver1> alot cleaner
[18:50] <arvind_khadri> hi, is gyachi not there for karmic yet?
[18:51] <nonix4> penguin42: servers got overloaded more than 24 hours ago in fact... my puny adsl link has uploaded only about 15 gigs of them torrents so far
[18:51] <gogereaver1> i just found a fast mirror
[18:51] <penguin42> nonix4: I actually meant of the people on here asking questions :-)
[18:52] <myk_robinson> anyone here using Karmic on a tablet PC?
[18:52] <gogereaver1> isnt mid for tablets
[18:55] <gogereaver1> i like the new look
[18:55] <gogereaver1> boots fast even on my slow ssd
[18:56] <arvind_khadri> !gyachi
[18:56] <gogereaver1> you can probly install the older deb
[18:56] <gogereaver1> isnt that that yahoo voice chat thing
[18:57] <arvind_khadri> ya, with webcam support
[18:57] <yofel> !search gyachi
[18:57] <yofel> !find gyachi
[18:58] <gogereaver1> i dont think its every been in the main repo
[18:58] <gogereaver1> ever
[18:58]  * yofel never heard of iit
[18:58] <gogereaver1> its a yahoo chat client for linux
[18:58] <gogereaver1> webcam and voice supoport
[18:58] <yofel> bah, my stupid eeePC keyboard keeps doubling key presses sometimes... annoying
[18:59] <gogereaver1> vs the ggenrec one yahoo has
[18:59] <gogereaver1> lol
[18:59] <gogereaver1> eeepc are just everywhere
[18:59] <yofel> gogereaver1: they're really handy ;)
[18:59] <gogereaver1> i just wish they would just m$ to gget Fed\
[19:00] <gogereaver1> and build dule core ones
[19:00] <yofel> +1 (but with an option to disable a core)
[19:00] <gogereaver1> atom dules are just as efecent as the n270
[19:01] <ibkanat> I just upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and now I HAVE NO AUDIO?? MCP51 High Definition Audio
[19:01] <gogereaver1> there puutting em in power effecent desktops
[19:01] <ibkanat> what do I do?
[19:01] <yofel> gogereaver1: cool :)
[19:01] <gogereaver1> and they can preform very well
[19:01] <gogereaver1> just as powerfull as a normal laptop
[19:01] <yofel> ibkanat: check pavucontrol or padevchooser if a sink is muted somewhere
[19:02] <ibkanat> thanks checking
[19:02] <yofel> ibkanat: then check alsamixer or test it with aplay and report a bug agains alsa-base if it still doesn't work
[19:03] <ibkanat> wasnt installed
[19:03] <Zvezdichko> Hey, I have a problem here. After upgrading /dev/sda1 refuses to mount with Dolphin. It now says: Volume (ntfs), the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.InvalidMountOption: The option ' locale=bg_BG.UTF-8" is not allowed for uid=1000
[19:03] <akio> I wonder if rebootless kernel upgrades are in the future
[19:03] <akio> ksplice I think?
[19:03] <yofel> ibkanat: I once had a problem with muted audio that was fixed after just rebooting again too
[19:03] <ibkanat> rebooted already
[19:04] <gogereaver1> probly not
[19:04] <ibkanat> doesnt show any hardware in the audio
[19:04] <yofel> Zvezdichko: It's a known issue, let me look for the bug
[19:04] <gogereaver1> updating the kernel is updating the core
[19:04] <ibkanat> installing pavucontrol now
[19:04] <gogereaver1> be inpossbale to make it rebootless
[19:05] <Zvezdichko> yofel - is there a way to mount it manually without switching to root and via command prompt
[19:06] <yofel> Zvezdichko: it's bug 395079, there's a workaround at the bottom too, ask me again if that doesn't work
[19:06] <ibkanat> ok rebooting to see if installing pavucontrol helped
[19:07] <Zvezdichko> yofel: I thought it's a config file issue :) Obviously I'm not a good tester
[19:07] <yofel> Zvezdichko: well, it somewhat is a config file issue, but it needs to be fixed in ntfs-3g
[19:08] <luca> hi everyone
[19:08] <yofel> wb luca
[19:08] <luca> hi yofel
[19:09] <thiebaude> hi luca
[19:09] <luca> should I repeat my problem, still unsolved? Or is there some kind soul who can help me on that? :)
[19:09] <SandGorgon> tried Windows 7 build on my spare laptop today - I get 45 minutes more power than Ubuntu. sigh
[19:09] <BluesKaj> I wonder if Skype is installable without ruining the audio setup with kde ?...there's lots of info about skype on gnome but very little on kde
[19:10] <yofel> luca: I have never used encryption so I doubt I can help you
[19:10] <luca> yofel ok thanks :)
[19:11] <luca> hi thiebaude
[19:11] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, in a previous incarnation I had used KDE with Skype - they work out-of-the-box. May I also strongly recommend the static build of Skype 2.1 - which is far, far better audio quality than "apt-get skype"
[19:11]  * thiebaude goes to cook shrimp
[19:12] <luca> oh wait
[19:12] <luca> ok, here is the problem
[19:12] <luca> it seems that my default user is no more present in the machine
[19:13] <luca> "su luca" results in "Id «luca» unknown" which does not happen if I use a newly created user from the cli
[19:13] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, what about the reported probs with Skype requiring Pulseaudio in order to run on kubuntu ..my version of PA doesn't work ..I had to purge it.
[19:13] <luca> so: what could have caused the deletion of my user? How can I retrieve everything considering that the home is encrypted?
[19:14] <ibkanat> hmm still no audio in 9.10 after upgrade how do i test with alsa-base?
[19:14] <Zvezdichko> OK, I patched the hald file... How can I restard HAL? Sorry, forgotten totally
[19:15] <ibkanat> also when I restarted this poped up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/381721
[19:16] <yofel> Zvezdichko: 'sudo service hal restart'
[19:16] <Zvezdichko> Thanks. Patch works fine
[19:16] <ibkanat> also I cant powerdown without it locking up
[19:16] <akio> the servers are screaming
[19:17] <luca> sul
[19:17] <Zvezdichko> I wonder what else to test now :)
[19:17] <yofel> akio: you guys could use mirrors, that would help ;)
[19:17] <Pretto> how can i make  my touchpad tap work again? it only works on login screen
[19:17] <akio> that is what I am doing right now
[19:17] <akio> im switching
[19:18] <kaddi> german mirror is working just fine for me :)
[19:18] <yofel> Pretto: re-enable it in the mouse settings
[19:18] <yofel> kaddi: +1 :)
[19:18] <kaddi> :)
[19:18] <Pretto> yofel, thank you
[19:19] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, hmm.. yup the newer skype is supposed to work "with PulseAudio". I would suggest trying out with ALSA directly, if at all it is possible
[19:19] <ibkanat> is there any hope? or am I sol
[19:19] <yofel> ibkanat: we can't help you if you don't tell us the exact point it locks up
[19:19] <test34> skype can be used with alsa only if pulseaudio is not installed (or not running)
[19:20] <Andy80> I'm back to testing ;)
[19:20] <ibkanat> just tried this user@ubuntu:~$ aplay -l
[19:20] <ibkanat> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found..
[19:21] <Andy80> well... I've found indicator-applet 0.1 but it's not very good for Telepaty, I mean: when I get a message, if I click on it i'd like the message window to open... but it doesn't
[19:21] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, yeah the kernel modules/drivers on pci sound cards have a problem with pulseaudio...pulseaudio tries run on top which results in choppy stuttery sound
[19:21] <yofel> ibkanat: I had that once, a reboot fixed it, it you still have that issue report a bug against alsa-base
[19:21] <ibkanat> yofel thanks doesnt fix from reboot
[19:22] <yofel> ibkanat: than report a bug on launchpad with 'ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[19:22] <ibkanat> yofel ok thanks
[19:22] <akio> I can walk to the servers that I found my fastest mirror.
[19:23] <akio> in 30 mins
[19:23] <Zvezdichko> Hm... there's a potential issue... I'm having trouble with OpenArena. Sometimes sounds freezes and the whole desktop crashes (only killing X in command prompt hells).  DOn't know if it's a driver issue or if I can reproduce it with another game/program
[19:23] <yofel> akio: I would need to take the train for about 20mins :P
[19:24] <akio> mine is a local university
[19:24] <test34> Zvezdichko, try installing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio (which replaces libsdl1.2debian-alsa)
[19:24] <Perry__> hey all, installed 9.10 on a comp over windows (on a new partition).   Now, windows options aren't showing up in the bootloader.  How can I fix that in grub2?
[19:24] <neglesaks> I'm happy to report that Karmic Beta + 1 run of Update manaer has made the Lenovo IdeaPad ACPI work seemingly well.
[19:25] <test34> Zvezdichko, it fixed a similar problem with a quake based game
[19:25] <yofel> Perry__: try installing os-prober then run 'sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub'
[19:25] <akio> I would use the stanza that was given as an example in the old menu.lst
[19:25] <akio> os-prober? that doesn't sound very comfortable
[19:25] <yofel> akio: the syntax of grub2 is different from grub1
[19:25] <akio> i know
[19:26] <Zvezdichko> test34: are you sure? is it a common problem?
[19:26] <test34> Zvezdichko, I found the solution online.. some other people had the same problem, but I don't know how common it is
[19:26] <Zvezdichko> OK...
[19:27] <Zvezdichko> I'll do one hard reboot, look for other bugs. Anyway, surprised this is the most stable beta I've ever played with iin recent years
[19:28] <test34> Zvezdichko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/372843
[19:29] <Andy80> p.s: why my Telepathy doesn't support audio/video calls on MSN and it supports on GTalk?
[19:32] <test34> Andy80, just a guess but maybe just because it's a different protocol and MSN isnt fully implemented yet
[19:34] <Zvezdichko> Restarted! Very clean beta of Ubuntu, no critical bugs. The only thing that annoys me is that networkmanager constantly changest my resolv.conf
[19:34] <Andy80> uff.... Cheese isn't working too :(
[19:34] <test34> Zvezdichko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/372843
[19:36] <yofel> Zvezdichko: if you want to change the dns server you need to edit your NM profile
[19:36] <yofel> which is broken in gnome at the moment iirc
[19:37] <kaddi_> use wicd :D
[19:37] <Zvezdichko> test34: much thanks...
[19:37] <cybersplice> Really enjoying Karmic, so far. Not encountered anything particularly awful in general use.
[19:37] <yofel> nope, use kde :P
[19:37] <jdsbluedev> hey, anyone experiencing slow download speeds from the servers?
[19:37] <kaddi_> uh, nm is finally working under kde? :p
[19:38] <kaddi_> it only took them 2 releases to make that applet usable :p
[19:38] <yofel> jdsbluedev: if you use the main servers they're hopelessly overloaded
[19:38] <hatchetman82> anyone have issues with 9.10 beta not recognizing via-based wifi cards ?
[19:38] <yofel> jdsbluedev: use a mirror instead
[19:38] <jdsbluedev> yeah, I'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:38] <test34> for setting static IP and./OR dns, just modify /etc/network/interfaces (it keeps my settings after a reboot)
[19:38] <hatchetman82> or gdm dying in a loop after when shutting down after the initial install (from cd)
[19:38] <Zvezdichko> yofel: Hmm, yes, networkmanager is broken... We'll wait until next update, probably
[19:39] <cybersplice> jdsbluedev, Yes.
[19:39] <yofel> Zvezdichko: the gui is broken, you could edit the gconf profile by hand or try what test34 said
[19:39] <jdsbluedev> ok, thx.  Is that from the number of new beta testers coming on?
[19:40] <yofel> jdsbluedev: well, more like too many people not using mirrors :/
[19:40] <kaddi_> I would like to report bugs for karmic, that's why I upgraded :(
[19:40] <test34> here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastie.org/640640
[19:40] <kaddi_> But I ain't finding any :D
[19:40] <Zvezdichko> kaddi_: yes, Very clean Karmic with very few bugs
[19:40] <yofel> kaddi_: think yourself lucky ;)
[19:41] <kaddi_> :)
[19:41] <Zvezdichko> ahm... are there critical bugs?
[19:41] <Zvezdichko> of which I'm not aware
[19:42] <test34> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs
[19:42] <test34> did you read all those
[19:42] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, odd, i have skype static 2.1 installed and get sounds from the mic coming thru just fine , but when I do a call test with skype , nothing plays back.
[19:42] <Zvezdichko> yes, I'm currently browsing the launchpad
[19:43] <Zvezdichko> Wow! This looks scary, test34!
[19:43] <yofel> Zvezdichko: well, the really annoying and most noticable ones were fixed in the '100 paper cuts' project
[19:43] <test34> my webcam stopped working in Karmic
[19:43] <test34> but I think it is because of the kernel
[19:44] <Zvezdichko> i915: black screen on boot ... And this is marked as critical? It's just a cosmetical deffect
[19:44] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, configure its audio settings - this is a bit of black magic : typically you will have many choices for this .
[19:45] <test34> Zvezdichko, probably mean that the login screen doesnt come up at all?
[19:45] <yofel> Zvezdichko: the bug is about the screen being powered off instead of the login screen appearing -> BAD
[19:46] <Zvezdichko> test34: No, it really doesn't come up... I can see the system booting and the fsck checking my hard drive, but in text mode - that's all
[19:47] <Zvezdichko> nothing of great significance, anyway
[19:47] <Zvezdichko> but I see there are reports of failure to boot at all... this is bad indeed
[19:48] <kaddi_> was /etc/bash_completion modified from karmic to jaunty?
[19:49] <thiebaude> Zvezdichko, the black screen , i also have
[19:49] <Zvezdichko> Yes, this is not a big deal
[19:49] <yofel> kaddi_: there is a new version of bash-completion in karmic yes
[19:49] <thiebaude> Zvezdichko, exactly
[19:50]  * penguin42 thought I saw an update sometime in the last week
[19:50] <yofel> Zvezdichko: you have a plack screen after boot? how do you login then?
[19:50] <kaddi_> yofel: I have some weird behaviour with tab-completion, is there a (n easy) way to see the modifications?
[19:51] <Zvezdichko> yofel: The behaviour is like this one: Black screen (booting ... booting, only a fsck message) - then GDM suddenly loads - this is what I'm talking again
[19:51] <Zvezdichko> cosmetic deffect
[19:51] <thiebaude> yofel, mine is a black screen while it loads then login comes up
[19:51] <yofel> kaddi_: the version scheme in karmic is different than the one in jaunty, so 'aptitude changelog bash-completion' would be the best way to check it I guess
[19:51] <Zvezdichko> thiebaude: yes, this is what i'm talking about exactly!
[19:51] <yofel> Zvezdichko: yes, but that's not what the bug is about ;)
[19:52] <thiebaude> Zvezdichko, still more updates to go
[19:52] <yofel> Zvezdichko: what you have seems like an issue with xsplash
[19:52] <Zvezdichko> HOP! Audacious sound bug just came out!
[19:52] <Zvezdichko> checking the launchpad
[19:52] <thiebaude> yofel, yep xsplash
[19:52] <thiebaude> its not a show-stopper
[19:53] <akio> mine is
[19:53] <akio> my usb support is broken
[19:53] <Zvezdichko> yofel: Yes... I'll see if it's reported... and probably going to report the audacious issue
[19:53] <yofel> akio: completely or just a specific device?
[19:53] <akio> all ports are as if dead
[19:53] <yofel> ok, bad
[19:54] <rrva> how to setup wpa2 wifi in connman?
[19:54] <Zvezdichko> Yes, XSplash bug is reported
[19:54] <yofel> akio: checked dmesg if there are any usb ehci/uhci errors?
[19:54] <Perry__> hey all, can anyone point me to where I can learn how to get windows7 added into grub2 boot menu (guessing need to add it to /boot/grub/grub.cfg) after installing 9.10 on a partition on this comp?   Thanks.
[19:54] <Zvezdichko> so no need to report anything new
[19:54] <akio> there is a weird bit in the log
[19:54] <yofel> Zvezdichko: which one is it?
[19:54] <akio> I posted it earlier
[19:54] <akio> pasted*
[19:55] <yofel> !grub2 | Perry__
[19:55] <Perry__> thank you guys
[19:55] <akio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/284756/
[19:55] <Zvezdichko> I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/xsplash/+bug/413348 ... brb for now
[19:56] <akio> I have seen messages like "you recovered from a serious kernel flake" or something
[19:57] <akio> I know the ports are good, I can run a live USB off of them.
[19:57] <yofel> I'm looking through LP right now
[19:57] <hatchetman82> ....anyone else notice launchpad is under heavy load when trying to report a bug ?
[19:58] <hatchetman82> and whats the package name for ubiquity ? (the installer)
[19:58] <yofel> hatchetman82: ubiquity
[19:59] <hatchetman82> doh >_<
[19:59] <hatchetman82> thanks
[19:59] <yofel> np ;)
[19:59] <akio> I have seen everyone blaming it on hardware but I test hardware for a job.
[20:03] <akio> yofel, anything?
[20:03] <yofel> akio: still searching, LP has a lot usb bugs...
[20:03] <akio> I have another bug open that may be related
[20:04]  * Andy80 think that Ubuntu 9.10 should be released 4-5 months later... there are simply too many bugs :\
[20:05] <mortal> if it boots, ship it
[20:05] <akio> I love alpha
[20:05] <mortal> no problems here
[20:05] <rsk> Andy80: feel free to fork it
[20:05] <mortal> on karmic
[20:05] <Andy80> akio: actually it's a beta... but it behaves like a pre-alpha...
[20:06] <akio> Andy80, I go alpha as soon as its available
[20:06] <penguin42> it's not too bad for me - but I think every so often a pure bug fix release would be good
[20:06] <Andy80> Cheese doesn't work, Telepathy is simply a big mountain of bugs, not an IM, not counting the problems I had at boot...
[20:06] <akio> my gnome-menu icon takes a good 7 clicks to start working
[20:07] <akio> but it is faster than ever after those 7 clicks
[20:07] <yofel> akio: when I used gnome it just needed a few seconds to open
[20:07] <yofel> no idea why...
[20:08] <yofel> note: the first time I opened it, after that it opened immediately
[20:10] <yofel> akio: just found bug 435352
[20:10] <hatchetman82> and wow, 2 bug reports just from installing the beta, and i still dont have wifi. this is going to be fun :-)
[20:10] <yofel> hatchetman82: what wifi card do you have?
[20:11] <hatchetman82> dont remember the exact model. its via vt6656 based
[20:11] <yofel> hatchetman82: run 'lspci' in a terminal, that should give you the exact one
[20:11] <test34> which webcam would you recommend
[20:12] <diverse_izzue> have people tried ekiga in karmic? it's extremely crashy and hangy for me, i think it doesn't like pulseaudio
[20:12] <hatchetman82> yofel: it doesnt appear on lspci anyehre
[20:12] <akio> yofel, you are the $&*%. In a good way.
[20:13] <akio> thank you
[20:13] <Andy80> if you chage your status in "indicator-applet-session 0.1" is its icon updated?
[20:13] <yofel> akio: :P
[20:13] <yofel> hatchetman82: can you pastebin your lspci output? 'lspci | pastebinit' (you might have to install pastebinit first)
[20:14] <viki> hi all, i am not able to get a framebuffer console working on my computer with Karmic. With Jaunty it was ok. The video card is an integrated via unichrome pro. Now when i boot the pc there is even no xsplash stuff appearing on the screen... can anybody help?
[20:14] <hatchetman82> yofel : kinda hard to do with no network connection on that machine, but hold on while i hook it up with a cable :-)
[20:14] <akio> yofel, I already knew it was my bug, I have one of those Bison chips
[20:15] <yofel> hatchetman82: you can also just pastebin it on paste.ubuntu.com on another machine ;)
[20:17] <hatchetman82> yofel: looks like im just screwed from here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/162671
[20:17] <hatchetman82> thats my exact motherboard
[20:17] <akio> yofel, http://pastebin.com/f1b4e7dd7
[20:17] <hatchetman82> does that bot parse launchpad bug links for the description ?
[20:18] <penguin42> hatchetman82: Yep
[20:18] <yofel> hatchetman82: yes, ubottu is really handy ;)
[20:18] <yofel> !me | hatchetman82
[20:19] <penguin42> he's a well trained bot
[20:19] <hatchetman82> thats cool
[20:19] <shiznebit> does he do tricks
[20:19] <shiznebit> ?
[20:19] <chx_> I have a slight problem. I made a mistake with my /etc/sudoers file -- now i can't sudo. The karmic grub menu is hidden. I can't make my USB stick writeable because permission denied. So how do I boot to single user?
[20:19] <yofel> hatchetman82: you can also just say bug xxxxx and he'll get the description and link
[20:19] <yofel> err... she
[20:19] <penguin42> chx_: I think you can the grub menu holding down shift
[20:20] <chx_> shift?
[20:20] <penguin42> yofel: Woah, it's a she robot?
[20:20] <shiznebit> how do i remove the count down thing in the grub menu during boot
[20:20] <chx_> bbiab
[20:20] <penguin42> chx_: yeh shift key
[20:20] <shiznebit> its 8 seconds
[20:20] <shiznebit> what do i change so that its 2 seconds ?
[20:22] <hatchetman82> not having a driver will make the device not appear in lspci right ? or does not appearing in lspci mean there's an even bigger problem with device listing ?
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> hatchetman82: the device will always show in lspci, driver or not, as long as the hardware is detected
[20:23] <hatchetman82> hmm .... so i have a bigger issue
[20:23] <hatchetman82> or i might be an idiot. do usb devices appear on lspci ?
[20:23] <penguin42> hatchetman82: No! They appear on lsusb!
[20:24] <penguin42> (the USB controllers should appear on the lspci)
[20:24] <hatchetman82> yeah, idiot it is then. thanks
[20:24] <hatchetman82> there's one usb device with no description whatsoever, this might be it
[20:24] <hatchetman82> can your bot run vendor/device ids ?
[20:25] <hatchetman82> yeah, thats my wireless card, its listed
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> hatchetman82: could use: sudo lshw -C network
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> hatchetman82: will show all network devices, configured or not
[20:27] <ikt> how do I configure the hard drive to boot ubuntu in <10 seconds please
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> ikt: use bum to reduce startup services
[20:27] <akio> yofel, its the uvcvideo kernel module
[20:27] <akio> it is the bug i reported earlier
[20:28] <ikt> thank you
[20:28] <ikt> btw this vodka tastes like crying
[20:28] <yofel> akio: i doubt i can help you further then
[20:29] <hatchetman82> ActionParsnip: lshw noly finds the (wired) ethernet controller
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> ikt: gksudo gedit /etc/init.d/rc
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> ikt: change CONCURRENCY=none    to CONCURRENCY=shell    if you have dual core, this has issues with encryptfs so do NOT do this is you use encryptfs
[20:30] <duffydack> ikt, do you mean boot time or do you mean the boot menu time ?
[20:30] <duffydack> just a thought
[20:30] <chx> hey
[20:30] <ibkanat> ok I think I may have found the source of some of my problems.... grub is boot 9.04 kernel(2.6.28) for 9.10 how do I update so it sees the new kernels and gives me a option to use them? I tried sudo grub-update
[20:30] <chx> shift worked
[20:30] <chx> thanks.
[20:30] <ibkanat> also I ran grub-install (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[20:31] <ibkanat> so I am not using 2
[20:31] <ikt> I don't have encryptofs
[20:31] <ibkanat> what do  ido?
[20:31] <ibkanat> yofel any ideas
[20:31] <ikt> hi
[20:31] <hatchetman82> w00t, wired works
[20:31] <yofel> hm...
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> ikt: then you can use that, makes boots fast, bum will reduce bootup fluff
[20:31] <ikt> ibkanat, is your name reandom leters?
[20:31] <TBM_> hi guys
[20:31] <yofel> ibkanat: are the kernels properly installed in /boot ?
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> ikt: some of the services will not be needed by you and can be disabled
[20:32] <ikt> Valid options are 'none', 'startpar' and 'makefile'. ?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, for some reasson skype isn't connecting to the mic thru the soundcard buss. i can hear the n=mic htru headset and spkrs just fine ..tried all skype options for mic on the soundcard , I think the record ctrls  are not opened or are muted in skype
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> ikt: if you use static IP, uninstall network manager, setup IP in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:32] <ibkanat> yofel yes
[20:32] <yofel> ok, odd...
[20:32] <ibkanat> i think I must have used the old menu.lst
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> ikt: then you wont have to wait for network manager to load and take time
[20:33] <ibkanat> grub2 is different though...
[20:33] <yofel> well, if you have grub1 then update-grub should still update the menu.lst
[20:33] <ikt> nice
[20:33] <ikt> cheers :)
[20:33] <ibkanat> hmm didnt though
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> ikt: stock ubuntu settings aren't great but you can make them sweet
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> ikt: like default firefox settings
[20:34] <ibkanat> ok trying again blb
[20:34] <ibkanat> bbl
[20:34] <ikt> :D
[20:35] <rxd> how do i get a text file out the packages installed on ubuntu
[20:35] <rsk> rxd: in synaptic
[20:35] <socomm> Help karmic broke my audio!!!!
[20:36] <rsk> socomm: report bug
[20:36] <socomm> meh
[20:36] <rsk> hem
[20:36] <rxd> is there a terminal base program that i can see without using synaptic
[20:36] <socomm> rxd: what do you mean
[20:36] <yofel> rxd: ?
[20:37] <rsk> man dpkg
[20:37] <epsilon_> I installed Ubuntu 9.04, upgraded to 9.10, and then installed kubuntu-desktop, since I only had a 9.04 cd here. All that worked well, but now when I tried to remove ubuntu-desktop, it only removed a small portion of the actual ubuntu-desktop packages; how can I remove the rest of them (easily)? (I.e, I know I can remove them one-by-one, but I was looking for a quicker way, if that is possible.)
[20:37] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, make sure you disable mic-as-speaker and mute some of your other volume controls like "front speakers" , etc. - what happens is that ubuntu confuses the mic with some other audio device
[20:37] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, trial and error !
[20:37] <rxd> like i have a list of text file (packages.txt) of all the packages installed in ubuntu, how can i make one
[20:38] <socomm> rxd: dpkg -l > list_of_installed_packages.txt
[20:38] <socomm> rxd: i'm guessing you want a list of all your installed files on a text file, correct?
[20:38] <rxd> socomm: yes that's what i want
[20:39] <BluesKaj> ran out of trial and error options , SandGorgon ..but I'll try again
[20:39] <BluesKaj> bbl
[20:39] <socomm> rxd: yeah run that command I provided earlier, it'll get you want you want
[20:40] <mercutio22> the latest upgrade broke compiz on my netbook, should I report that or is everyone experiencing the same?
[20:40] <socomm> mercutio22: yeah I'm not able to get compiz working on your netbook either. :^D
[20:40] <rxd> socomm: and i can also uninstalled packages from dpkg?
[20:40] <socomm> rxd: you may, not sure
[20:40] <socomm> rxd: read the manual 'man dpkg'
[20:41] <mercutio22> socomm: it was working just before the latest update right?
[20:41] <socomm> mercutio22: Im kidding, just a joke.
[20:41] <epsilon_> I'm sorry if my question was silly or whatever, but any answer would help, obviously
[20:42] <socomm> mercutio22: I don't use compiz eats up processor not what I like.
[20:42] <mercutio22> socomm: these atoms cpus can take it very smooth
[20:43] <mercutio22> socomm: but even the UNR interface seems to be much slower now
[20:43] <mercutio22> socomm: with metacity, notwithstanding
[20:43] <socomm> mercutio22: report it as a bug, see if someone can give you fix
[20:44] <socomm> mercutio22: either that or try reverting to 9.4
[20:44] <rxd> socomm: how can i remove openoffice using dkpg, dpkg -r openoffice*
[20:45] <socomm> rxd: think so
[20:45] <socomm> rxd: I'd use apt-get though
[20:45] <socomm> `apt-get remove openoffice'
[20:46] <socomm> rxd: `apt-get remove openoffice.org'
[20:46] <mercutio22> socomm: I would rather report bugs and help. I was just wondering if other people are experiencing that as well
[20:46] <socomm> rxd: that might do what you need it to
[20:46] <socomm> mercutio22: yeah, sorry but I don't use compiz :^)
[20:47] <mercutio22> socomm: np =]]
[20:49] <rxd> after removing all the packages i don't need, i have to recreate filesystem.squashfs right? so i will have a lite ubuntu
[20:50] <rxd> i doubt i can trim ubuntu to say 100mb
[20:50] <raindog> Using karmic, latest updates removed amarok.  I have the kubuntu-ppa added, but can't install amarok as it needs amarok-common (=2:2.2.0-0ubuntu1).  Will this be added to the ppa or am I missing something?
[20:50] <socomm> rxd: not sure about that, sorry
[20:51] <socomm> rxd: you might be using wrong distro if you want small footprint on your computer
[20:51] <rxd> socomm: actually i want to trim it down to say just X
[20:52] <rxd> socomm: the minimal requirement to run X
[20:52] <socomm> rxd: okay
[20:52] <hatchetman82> why ?
[20:52] <socomm> hatchetman82: why not? :^)
[20:52] <hatchetman82> you want a distro that boots from usb to run xclock ? :-)
[20:53] <rxd> socomm: since default ubuntu uses aufs i can just mount any squashfs on the fly and merge it to my root filesystem
[20:53] <socomm> rxd: cool
[20:53] <rxd> and detached it if i don't need it
[20:54] <socomm> hatchetman82: you'd be surprised what you could do with small distros
[20:54] <rxd> which is good for ubuntu on usb
[20:54] <epsilon_> I installed kubuntu-desktop, and uninstalled ubuntu-desktop, but a lot of ubuntu/gnome stuff is still here. How can I remove it?
[20:54] <IdleOne> Ok so how do I figure out why karmic freezes when I try to load any application
[20:55] <IdleOne> !purekde
[20:55] <socomm> epsilon_: try kbuntu they may have good answer there
[20:55] <socomm> epsilon_: #kbuntu soz
[20:55] <epsilon_> socomm: Oh, I didn't realize there were two channels, sorry
[20:55] <IdleOne> it's #kubuntu
[20:56] <socomm> epsilon_: heh yeah, would help if I could spell #kubuntu
[20:56]  * rxd rxd currently running ubuntu 9.10 beta on usb without the writable casper-rw
[21:01] <NoCode> Why doesn't mesa-utils display FPS anymore?
[21:02] <pwnguin> you mean glxgears and friends?
[21:02] <NoCode> yep
[21:02] <pwnguin> because they're meaningless numbers that mainly benchmark how fast you can clear memory?
[21:03] <pwnguin> glxgears is like a single display list of a gear iterated three times in different colors and locations
[21:03] <pwnguin> no textures
[21:03] <NoCode> Why did it have FPS before then?
[21:04] <pwnguin> hysterical raisins
[21:04] <pwnguin> no textures, no pixel shaders, nothing that compares to how the programs you actually want run
[21:05] <pwnguin> if you look carefully, there's usually a command line flag along the lines of -iacknowledgethisisnotabenchmark
[21:06] <pwnguin> i believe there's a benchmark tool available from phoronix that you might want to look at
[21:08] <hatchetman82> this just keeps getting better
[21:08] <hatchetman82> anyone know what i should do when this happens  : http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5442/afterupdate.jpg
[21:08]  * hatchetman82 is completely clueless
[21:09] <hatchetman82> i just ran a system update and then rebooted afterwards
[21:09] <pwnguin> it says run fsck manually
[21:09] <pwnguin> so
[21:09] <pwnguin> run fsck manually
[21:09] <pwnguin> fsck /dev/sda6
[21:10] <NoCode> !info phoronix
[21:10] <NoCode> heh
[21:10] <yofel> hatchetman82: had that yesterday after starting a jaunty flash-drive, my fix: set date manually - didn't work, check date in bios - was right, rebooted - worked
[21:10] <pwnguin> !info phoronix-test-suite
[21:10] <yofel> no idea how that was supposed to work, but it worked
[21:10]  * hatchetman82 ran fsck
[21:10] <hatchetman82> fsck fixed the last mount date issue
[21:11] <hatchetman82> ill try rebooting now
[21:11] <yofel> hatchetman82: run 'date' on the tty and check if your time is correct
[21:11] <hatchetman82> too late, already rebooted. ill do it if this happens again
[21:12] <hatchetman82> the booted ok
[21:12] <hatchetman82> (the "unable to access /dev ..." and ACPI errors flashed on the screen for a minute, but then gdm came up
[21:14] <shiznebit> what programa do i use to save the video out from my PVR ?
[21:14] <hatchetman82> ....and now indicator-applet dies and apport refuses to report the crash
[21:14] <NoCode> How do I benchmark with Phoronix?
[21:14] <hatchetman82> this just cannot get better :-)
[21:14] <pwnguin> NoCode: no idea.
[21:14] <hatchetman82> how can i manually get the crash log for indicator-applet so i could report it ?
[21:14] <pwnguin> NoCode: i they have a channel though
[21:18] <yofel> hatchetman82: check if you have any .crash files in /var/crash/
[21:19] <hatchetman82> yofel: yes i do (and BTW, the date is ok). what do i do with the .crash file ?
[21:20] <yofel> hatchetman82: the date was ok for me too after I rebooted... don't know why it was wrong the first time
[21:20] <yofel> hatchetman82: and run 'apport-cli -c <crashfile>' to report it
[21:20] <hatchetman82> well, its obvious i wont be migrating to karmic right now, but at least i can try and report everything that explodes
[21:21] <shiznebit> Karmic is de BOMB
[21:21] <shiznebit> im surprised on how well the beta workd
[21:21] <shiznebit> works*
[21:22] <hatchetman82> shiznebit: lucky you
[21:22] <shiznebit> yea
[21:22] <shiznebit> the only thing that glitches is pulse-audio
[21:22] <shiznebit> but im not suprised about that
[21:22] <dtchen> what specifically with pulse?
[21:22] <hatchetman82> yofel: "The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashed."
[21:23] <shiznebit> just jaggar and echo
[21:23] <shiznebit> and jittering
[21:23] <yofel> hatchetman82: o.O first time I see that error...
[21:23] <BluesKaj> I've got most stuff working on the beta but skype doesn't know a mic input from a hole in the ground , but that's really not a big deal
[21:23] <dtchen> shiznebit: are you running _current_ karmic?
[21:23] <hatchetman82> i always knew i was special
[21:23] <shiznebit> dtchen, the beta
[21:23] <hatchetman82> ever since my mommy told me so :-)
[21:23] <yofel> hatchetman82: lol
[21:23] <dtchen> shiznebit: then you're already outdated; new kernel makes a tremendous difference
[21:23] <shiznebit> hmm
[21:24] <shiznebit> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[21:24] <dtchen> BluesKaj: with the skype 2.1 beta?
[21:24] <dtchen> (<IP_ADDRESS>-1)
[21:24] <hatchetman82> is a .crash file compressed, or can i zip it to make it smaller ?
[21:24] <hatchetman82> launchpad
[21:24] <hatchetman82> oops
[21:25] <BluesKaj> dtchen, yup
[21:25] <BluesKaj> static version
[21:25] <dtchen> shiznebit: keep in mind that you also will want the staging version of pulse in our ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[21:25] <shiznebit> staging ?
[21:25] <dtchen> (the staging version will be in Karmic shortly)
[21:25] <dtchen> 0.9.19 + patches
[21:26] <yofel> hatchetman82: it contains crash information for apport. if apport says it can't use it then just delete it and wait for the next crash
[21:26] <dtchen> Beta has 0.9.18
[21:27] <ikt> why not run karmic in a vm for pre-testing?
[21:28] <dtchen> ikt: i do recommend it for some things.
[21:28] <hatchetman82> yofel: maybe some dev can make heads or tails out of it
[21:28] <BluesKaj> dtchen, pulseaudio isn't working on my CMedia18738 soundcard , so i'm using alsa direct ..the sound from skype works ok , and mmy mic works fine thru my spkrs .but i think skype has the the audio buss record ctrl (if there is one ) muted or turned off
[21:28] <dtchen> ikt: it's not sensible for things that require bare metal access to debug, however
[21:28] <penguin42> ikt: It's certainly OK for trying a lot of things out, but not checking all the drivers work or if say timing is critical
[21:29] <dtchen> BluesKaj: what do you mean it isn't working?
[21:29] <yofel> hatchetman82: not sure, you could ask the others in #ubuntu-bugs for help with apport
[21:30] <ikt> that's true
[21:30] <BluesKaj> no sound , dtchen ...silence , like a mute is turned on in system settings media audio test option
[21:30] <dtchen> BluesKaj: ok, so that's not terribly descriptive. do you have a debugging dump from pulseaudio -vvvv for me?
[21:30] <keithburton> Hey - was debating whether to try the beta on my *pause* HP2133 mini note.  Had a hell of a time getting a semi-decent installation of 9.04 to work with usual problems with wifi and via display...  just wondering if 9.10 had any imrproved support for the 2133's chipset?
[21:31] <dtchen> BluesKaj: there are only two major bugs that i know of for silence - one is the udev enumeration; the other is the alsactl race
[21:32] <dtchen> BluesKaj: the former can be debugged with udevadm trigger
[21:32] <keithburton> oops - try again Hey - was debating whether to try the beta on my *pause* HP2133 mini note.  Had a hell of a time getting a semi-decent installation of 9.04 to work with usual problems with wifi and via display...  just wondering if 9.10 had any imrproved support for the 2133's chipset?
[21:32] <BluesKaj> dtchen, sorry not atm , I purged PA , cuz it was overiding my soundcard kernel module
[21:32] <dtchen> BluesKaj: ok, well, that's how you would go about debugging it
[21:32] <duffydack> dtchen, do you know why mine is only able to use the amplified outoput, making it too loud, and everytime I set it all semi-decent using alsamixer, as soon as I touch the volume in gnome it goes all to wack and blows my head off
[21:33] <mercutio22> keithburton: there's a bug making the UNR interfave pretty slow
[21:33] <BluesKaj> I undestand that skype will work without PA , so I'm doing some research on that aspect
[21:33] <hatchetman82> whats is indicator-applet anyway ?
[21:34] <dtchen> duffydack: yes, i have a patch for that that will not be applied for Karmic. You can either apt-get source pulseaudio and see debian/patches/0090-use-volume-ignore-for-analog-output.patch, or you can see bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:34] <penguin42> hatchetman82: It does that little username/status light on the panel and is modular so that it can add things to themenu for logout/away status and stuff
[21:34] <dtchen> duffydack: do you read planet.ubuntu.com?
[21:34] <duffydack> dtchen, sorry no
[21:34] <dtchen> duffydack: because if you don't, i blogged about it
[21:34] <keithburton> mercutio - yeah - even on 9.04 UNR was down as a Tier3 install, so wasn't really thinking abut that for 9.10.
[21:35] <duffydack> dtchen, so if I apply that patch, will any updates for karmic wipe that patch out?
[21:35] <dtchen> duffydack: yes
[21:35] <shiznebit> dtchen, i can't get the new kernel
[21:35] <dtchen> duffydack: it's a one-line change; you can always just edit it.
[21:35] <shiznebit> nothing is listed
[21:35] <BluesKaj> dtchen, are you recommending a PA version not in the repos ?
[21:35] <dtchen> BluesKaj: of course i am. that's the version that gets uploaded TO the repos.
[21:35] <duffydack> dtchen, fail for me then.  sound in 9.10 is a big problem for me, I really dont wanna switch till I know its working for me..
[21:36] <ikt> which are you dtchen?
[21:36] <ikt> i read the planet
[21:36] <dtchen> BluesKaj: i don't stop fixing bugs just because main is frozen for an alpha, Beta, RC, final, whatever.
[21:36] <duffydack> dtchen, hmm ok I guess..  I`d rather have a mixer like jaunty,  and a way to control 1 channel and not 2 or 3 like it is, but I guess thats not changing now.  shame,
[21:36] <dtchen> duffydack: it _does_ work if you apply that patch.
[21:37] <dtchen> duffydack: keep in mind that if we applied that patch, it would allow yours to work but would break the other 80%
[21:37] <NoCode> which soundcard?
[21:37] <dtchen> so, whose config do we break?
[21:37] <duffydack> I`ll try it tomorrow.. I`m not on karmic right now, i`ll use a daily live usb..
[21:37] <dtchen> damned if we do, damned if we don't
[21:37] <platius> BluesKaj;  I just loaded skype 2.1 beta from medibuntu and the test call works fine  (32 bit ubuntu 9.10 beta)
[21:38] <dtchen> ikt: pretty straightforward from my nick or /whois
[21:38] <duffydack> dtchen, sound has always been perfect for me since I started usiing edgy onwards..
[21:38] <ikt> "dtchen not found"
[21:38] <duffydack> using*
[21:38] <BluesKaj> 64 bit kubuntu beta here,  platius , the record function isn't working , all other sounds etc are ok
[21:39] <duffydack> dtchen, thanks for the tips anyway..
[21:39] <ikt> I found you dtchen!
[21:39] <platius> BluesKaj;  ahh, have you added your user to the pulse audio groups?
[21:40] <ikt> Karmic has been wonderfully jumpy these past few days. I must have some sick fascination with broken systems <- AHAHAHA lmao! me to
[21:40] <dtchen> that's a red herring; consolekit via udev handles the foreground user for @audio, not the pulse audio groups _unless_ you're using pulse in system daemon mode
[21:42] <BluesKaj> no platius , I haven't due to the fact that alsa / audio kernel module works ok with my soundcard , the only problem is the, mic input-record test playback,  with skype
[21:45] <myk_robinson> hey, how can I disable power management temporarily? I need to completely drain and refill my laptop battery a few times. Running Karmic Beta
[21:47] <dtchen> myk_robinson: not terribly easily; on the other hand, you can configure gnome-power-manager to not do anything when certain watermarks are reached for critical, etc.
[21:48]  * penguin42 suspects booting it with init=/bin/sh and then doing md5sum /dev/zero a few times should do it
[21:50] <yofel> if you want to stress out your system just use 'stress'
[21:51] <myk_robinson> yofel: was that toward me?
[21:51] <ikt> i think so
[21:51] <myk_robinson> I get a message on bootup that my battery capacity is only 46% and that somethign may be wrong with the battery. This laptop was given to me, I repaired it by replacing the screen. Just wanna see if I can deep cycle the battery a few times.
[21:51] <ikt> I assume stress will drain the battery fairly quickly
[21:52] <penguin42> yofel: Oh that's cute
[21:52] <yofel> myk_robinson: well, if you want to drain your battery yes, but just booting into memtest will do that too i think
[21:52] <myk_robinson> Power managerment does not have an option to do nothing when the battery gets low, it will try to shut down
[21:52] <myk_robinson> yofel: Good idea, I will try that!
[21:53] <hatchetman82> ooh great, now it wants a dist-upgrade
[21:54] <hatchetman82> i thought the beta was only out 2 days
[21:54] <ikt> dist-upgrade is not directly linked to milestone status?
[21:54] <hatchetman82> i dont really know
[21:54] <yofel> ikt: not at all
[21:55] <yofel> ikt: it has some link to the releases in debian, but in ubuntu it has no speacial meaning iirc
[21:55] <hatchetman82> whats more interesting is that my local mirror looks outdated - i only got this after switching synaptic to look at the main repo
[21:55] <yofel> not sure though since I always use aptitude
[21:56] <hatchetman82> yofel : than whats the technical difference between a dist upgrade and a normal one ? why call them different names ?
[21:56] <yofel> hatchetman82: the mirrors are always a few hours behind the main server
 whats more interesting is that my local mirror looks outdated  <- local mirroers can be 1h - 3 days outdated behind main servers
[21:57] <yofel> hatchetman82: hm, there seems to be some difference according to 'man apt-get' but I don't know more about it
[21:57] <ikt> for me I think it's 12h+, which my isp says is because they don't want to stress the main servers out anymore than it already is
[21:58] <NoCode> What command do I run to get my desktop back?
[21:58] <NoCode> I guess I'll restart X
[21:58] <NoCode> bleh
[21:58] <hatchetman82> startx ?
[21:58] <yofel> already gone o.O
[21:58] <ikt> press the 'power' button your pc/laptop
[21:59] <hatchetman82> lol
[21:59] <Amaranth> hatchetman82, yofel: A regular upgrade will not install new packages or uninstall packages
[21:59] <Shura> Hi, I have no sound in flash videos (youtube…), someone can halp me ?
[21:59] <yofel> Amaranth: aaah, thx
[21:59] <hatchetman82> ah. makes sense
[21:59] <dtchen> actually i think aptitude safe-upgrade will
[21:59] <Amaranth> Right, aptitude is a bit smarter about this
[21:59] <dtchen> will -> install new
[22:00] <dtchen> Shura: which arch?
[22:00] <Amaranth> It'll also remove a package if one it is installing Provides it
[22:00] <dtchen> yeah, which is the right thing.
[22:00] <Amaranth> Or Replaces
[22:00] <Amaranth> Right
[22:00] <Shura> shura@desktop:~$ uname -a
[22:00] <Shura> Linux desktop 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:00] <Amaranth> aptitude is better, everyone knows this :)
[22:01] <Shura> The sound works fine for everything else
[22:01] <Amaranth> aptitude safe-upgrade will only mess you up if the packages are broken while apt-get dist-upgrade will mess you up if things are still building
[22:01] <dtchen> except for in the case where i'm running banshee from head in --prefix=$HOME, and it wants to autoremove all the build-deps because i don't have a banshee package installed. but i can deal with that.
[22:01] <dtchen> Shura: are you using adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-installer?
[22:01] <Amaranth> Yeah, aptitude expects you to do everything with packages
[22:02] <Amaranth> Which you should be doing, bad dtchen :P
[22:02] <Shura> dtchen :  flashplugin-installer
[22:02] <Amaranth> dtchen: Do you have a trigger for 'sound'?
[22:02] <dtchen> it takes significantly longer to build debs than to run stuff right out of $HOME for testing
[22:02] <dtchen> Amaranth: used to.
[22:03] <penguin42> dtchen: Yeh it can be painful - building kernels takes ages to do the packages
[22:03] <Amaranth> dtchen: Yeah, even with debuild binary most of my time building things for compiz to test is spent waiting for dh_shlibdeps
[22:03] <dtchen> Shura: purge it; try enabling the third-party partner repository and using adobe-flashplugin
[22:03] <Shura> dtchen : Ok, trying
[22:05] <hatchetman82> well, dist-upgrade wants 4 hours, so the abuse will continue tomorrow morning.
[22:05] <hatchetman82> thanks a lot guys for the help
[22:05] <hatchetman82> good night
[22:05] <dtchen> penguin42: thank goodness for ccache and make -C debian/build/build-generic M=`pwd`/foo
[22:06] <penguin42> dtchen: What is the M= doing ? Or should that be what's the M variable in the build files?
[22:06] <dtchen> right, from Kconfig-style
[22:06] <Shura> dtchen : Same problem
[22:06] <dtchen> having a built vmlinux and being able to use M=`pwd`/sound really helps
[22:07] <dtchen> Shura: pastebin sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*, please
[22:08] <kanak> Hi. Can anyone tell me how to turn off the Login screen ready sound in Ubuntu 9.10? System -> Administration -> Login Screen does not seem to have any sound related options, and I've already set System -> Administration-> Sound Preferences to "No Sound Theme".
[22:08] <Shura> dtchen : http://pastebin.com/m1fc0e984
[22:10] <Shura> dtchen : http://pastebin.com/m3aa1460c  with a video playing (youtube)
[22:11] <dtchen> do you have an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc* ?
[22:11] <dtchen> ^^ Shura
[22:12] <dtchen> Shura: also, you need to restart your web browser
[22:12] <dtchen> Shura: make sure to kill any lingering nspluginwrapper processes
[22:12] <Shura> dtchen : no /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc*
[22:13] <Shura> And i've restarted my browser (and no nspluginwrapper process runing)
[22:14] <dtchen> Shura: please purge nspluginwrapper to be certain
[22:14] <Shura> (And I've tried with konqueror and firefox)
[22:14] <dtchen> we need to shoot that thing, really
[22:14] <Shura> :)
[22:15] <Shura> nspluginwrapper is not installed…
[22:15] <dtchen> good
[22:15] <dtchen> please use firefox instead of konqueror for now
[22:15] <dtchen> and kill off nspluginviewer
[22:16] <Shura> Hmm
[22:16] <Shura> nspluginviewer is not running while playing in firefox
[22:17] <Freeaqingme> I just upgraded to karmic, but now Amarok refuses to play mp3 files. I already installed ubuntu-restricted-extras. Any clues?
[22:17] <dtchen> Shura: it shouldn't be. it's unique to konqueror (i think?)
[22:17] <Shura> Oh, ok :)
[22:18] <NoelJB> did anyone else have grub 2 blow up on the latest upgrades?  I'm now seeing http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/582951-invalid-equiptment-block-ubuntu.html
[22:18] <dtchen> Freeaqingme: and libxine1-ffmpeg is installed?
[22:18] <NoelJB> fortunately, that's in a VM, so I can just restore from backup and deal with it.
[22:18] <Freeaqingme> dtchen, not yet. Installing now
[22:19] <Freeaqingme> dtchen, did the trick. Tnx!
[22:19] <android60> How can I set a default audio level after reboot? Right now I have to go into the mmixer and up all the levels for my speakers. on reboot it all goes back to them being at almost 0
[22:20] <zsquareplusc> now that was disappointing :/  i booted the live beta from a USB stick. that worked, but the start menu froze and then it crashed and restarted and shutdown was not working until i unplugged the usb stick. and at the end it opened cd cdrom :/
[22:20] <zsquareplusc> as CTRL+ALT+F1/BS/DEL are not working, is there any way left to get a console to view logmessages and debug?
[22:20] <dtchen> android60: yeah, i know about the bug. i blogged about it. investigating a fix. in the meantime, try short-circuiting the alsactl restore
[22:21] <XiXaQ> is it just me, or are buttons and controls less responsive in karmic? I find myself having to click buttons several times, all the time.
[22:21] <android60> dtchen: ok
[22:21] <Freeaqingme> XiXaQ, using it for 30 minutes now, and I guess you're not alone
[22:21] <penguin42> XiXaQ: I've not had that, but someone before said they had that on one of the menus
[22:21] <android60> dtchen: I get "can't find package alsa-utils"
[22:22] <dtchen> keep in mind that the Beta kernel (2.6.31-11.36) is a pretty big regression; you almost certainly want the current 2.6.31-11.38
[22:22] <td123> when I try to update my sources (aptitude update) it gets stuck connecting to us.archive.com/etc... is this a known bug or is the main us server down for karmic updates?
[22:22] <penguin42> dtchen: Ah, sods law of releases?
[22:22] <dtchen> yeah
[22:23] <dtchen> td123: the bw for the DC is pegged
[22:23] <dtchen> android60: that implies larger issues, namely: do you have the main repository enabled?
[22:23] <XiXaQ> penguin42, it's consistent throughout for me.
[22:24] <android60> dtchen: one sec ill check
[22:25] <android60> the us ubuntu servers have been very slow :/
[22:25] <penguin42> the weird one I've currently got is the chromium ppa's - ctrl-w seems to be closing multiple tabs
[22:25] <dtchen> mirrors, mirrors on the wall^Wubuntu download web page, which is the fastest of them all?
[22:26] <td123> dtchen: bw? dc?
[22:27] <Shura> dtchen : Any ideas now ?
[22:27] <dtchen> td123: bandwidth. data center.
[22:28] <dtchen> Shura: about? i'm still awaiting feedback from you.
[22:28] <td123> ah
[22:28] <Shura> dtchen : Well, not working with Firefox neither
[22:28] <penguin42> dtchen: It's very considerate of a data centre let you flatline there bandwidth
[22:29] <dtchen> penguin42: isn't it, though?
[22:29] <dtchen> Shura: ok, basics: is the playback volume unmuted and non-zero?
[22:29] <penguin42> are there bandwidth graphs for the mirrors anywhere? They would be fun
[22:30] <Shura> dtchen: yes :p
[22:31] <maccam94> dtchen: ubuntu.media.mit.edu should be fast
[22:31] <jng> quick empathy question on karmic netbook release -- desktop sharing says vino not compiled with telepathy -- is there some trick i am missing
[22:32] <dtchen> Shura: please download and use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:32] <NoelJB> I keep thinking that enhancing apt to use torrents (assuming that we only accept authenticated, signed, packages) would be helpful under these sorts of circumstances.
[22:34] <jng> NoelJB: ooo.. apt-torrent exists ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153752
[22:35] <Shura> dtchen : /tmp/alsa-info.txt.dkDmq5Ywyv
[22:35] <Shura> oops
[22:35] <Shura> dtchen : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=828f06669aa77f89d18e25798d994a51469b335b
[22:35] <NoelJB> jng, note that it was closed as invalid.
[22:35] <NoelJB> jng, perhaps open a bug report on vino if it isn't working for you?
[22:36] <dtchen> Shura: sec
[22:36] <jng> yes i may do that... i heard someone tweeting they saw jono's desktop the other day.. so it works for some, although this seems to mean my version of vino isn't linked with the good stuff
[22:40] <Yanick_> hi, why will Empathy replace pidgin on the next release, in 26 days? I just installed it, and it is half as stable and mature as pidgin is, except Empathy supposedly support video messaging?
[22:41] <Yanick_> just installed it, and I cannot connect to my two MSN accounts at once (1 for email at work, and 1 for personnal), and I need to kill the *butterfly process or nothing else using MSN (or Yahoo?) will work
[22:42] <grturner> Yanick_, i'm not positive but i'm pretty sure that you can still install pidgin
[22:42] <Yanick_> of course I will install Pidgin and remove Empathy if the program is still as bad when 9.10 is officially released
[22:42] <Yanick_> I just wondered why make it an official package when it's not mature enough?
[22:46] <shiznebit> do people prefer DDWRT or Tomato ?
[22:47] <Xgates> say is there a way to supress seeing console msgs before you get to the Ubuntu loading logo? I have some USB msgs that will popup first that I have to look at then a few seconds later I get the loading logo
[22:47] <Veinor> Xgates: I think that's an open launchpad bug
[22:47] <Xgates> Just trying to figure how to either supress those msgs or just make Karmic go straight from Grub to the logo
[22:48] <nick125> Yeah, there's a bug open for that I believe. I get the same thing here.
[22:48] <Xgates> so others are seeing the console first then getting the logo later?
[22:48] <shiznebit> how do i reduce the time before grub boot ubuntu ?
[22:48] <shiznebit> boots*
[22:49] <Xgates> shiznebit: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:49] <Veinor> Xgates: It's not just you.
[22:49] <Xgates> Veinor: ok thanks
[22:49] <yofel> guys, DO NOT edit grub.cfg
[22:50] <yofel> edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub