[14:40] <MarKsaitis> ok got it from --help
[14:41] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: ah! Thanks, then that is the issue!
[14:41] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: yep
[14:41] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: any idea how it can be achieved though?
[14:41] <MarKsaitis> After this operation, 36.9 kB disk space will be freed.
[14:41] <MarKsaitis>  ------ Doesnt make much sense ikonia. I did apt-get purge apache2
[14:41] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: you do remember you where told NOT to upgrade your openvz host ?
[14:41] <MarKsaitis> ikonia, why on earth not
[14:42] <iceroot> how to get the source-package of package foobar from 11.10 when i am on 12.04 with apt-get? or do we have other tools for that?
[14:42] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: you had this explained to you ysterday in #ubuntu+1
[14:42] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: do you remember that conversation
 Who told me that I cant upgrade 11.04 to 11.10?!!! In openvz?
[14:42] <MarKsaitis> --> methyl__<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined ##linux
 MarKsaitis: some Ubuntu newb, no doubt
[14:42] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: i told you
[14:42] <ashmew2> Hi , just installed Ubuntu on a notebook i had lying around , I have to connect to a Wifi Server , but cant seem to , could anyone help me troubleshoot the problem ?
[14:42] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: was it not you I was talking to yesteday in #ubuntu+1 ?
[14:42] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: i can't think why you would want to
[14:43] <DarwinSurvivor> your user should be authenticated by their password (or preferably their public key), not which server they connected from.
[14:43] <MarKsaitis> ikonia, iceroot - reisio from #linux thinks that you said bolex and that release upgrade isnt a problem from 11.04 to 11.10
[14:43] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: was it not you I was talking to yesteday in #ubuntu+1 ?
[14:43] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: ikonia and me told you about the openvz issues when upgrading
[14:43] <MarKsaitis> it was me, read what im saying, it all works fine.
[14:44] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: I do not want users doing 'sudo *' commands from outside my network, I want them to be able to access their user account but not sudo from outside private network, but access sudo privileges when within my network
[14:44] <MarKsaitis> u said system wouldnt launch. no such issues whatsoever
[14:44] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: it doesn't you system isn't working, your asking for help as your system isn't working
[14:44] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: I didn't say it wouldn't launch
[14:44] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: what is your use case for sudo deciding on privileges according to the source IP address. remember, you can always filter ssh logins by IP via iptables
[14:44] <ashmew2> imyousuf: dont put them in the /etc/sudoers file
[14:44] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: i said it may not launch
[14:44] <MarKsaitis> these systems never just work, thats why everyone is here
[14:45] <MarKsaitis> anyways, I do not think I have any upgrade openvz related issues
[14:45] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: could well be
[14:45] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: you already have an "admin" group. just don't add any untrusted users to the admin group and you will be fine
[14:45] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: that I am already doing
[14:45] <MarKsaitis> anyways, what is the method to remove apache2, as apt-get purge apache2 only wants to remove 39Kb of space. Any experts here?
[14:46] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: you've been told the way
[14:46] <DarwinSurvivor> remember, if a user can log into your server, they can they login to the server again FROM the server, and they would then be connecting from "within the network". blowing that security layer to bits in 5 seconds
[14:46] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: agreed!
[14:46] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: apt-get autoremove
[14:47] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor that brings me to another query, what are standard security steps a server admin should take?
[14:47] <MarKsaitis> autoremove = 0
[14:47] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: apache2 is pulling other packages which will not be removed automaticly when using apt-get remove --purge
[14:47] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: i wouldn't bother trying to get sudo to check the origin ip, it's also easy to fake that. just filter ssh login IP sources as best as possible, and only give sudo permissions to *users* you trust. that should be pretty much all you need.
[14:47] <MarKsaitis> well here you go iceroot . I have just been told that it is the way, even though it isnt
[14:47] <iceroot> MarKsaitis: apt-get remove --purge apache2
[14:48] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: many roads lead to the same destination.
[14:48] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: I told you "open package manager, select package, purge" I didn't say "apt-get purge"
[14:48] <iceroot> ah ok purge is now the same as "remove --purge"
[14:48] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: also make sure you disable password login and set everyone up with public/private key. that right there will increase your security more than anything else you could do.
[14:48] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: I have disabled password based ssh access, I have restricted ssh from external netwok
[14:48] <zykotick9> iceroot: fyi, "apt-get purge foo" should work these days
[14:48] <iceroot> zykotick9: yes but it was not default always or?
[14:48] <MarKsaitis> ikonia, I have no GUI here
[14:48] <MarKsaitis> it is a minimal system
[14:48] <Onixs> is there a prebuilt ubuntu NAS like freenas?
[14:48] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: the sooner you start actually listening to what people are telling you rather than ignoring, doing your own thing and then complaining it's broke, the easier you will find things
[14:48] <iceroot> zykotick9: manpage is sayxing its the same now
[14:48] <illsci> Are there ubuntu 10.04 tomat7 packages
[14:49] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: ok, so the answer to my statement should have been "I have no gui"
[14:49] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: not ignore and do your own thing
[14:49] <zykotick9> iceroot: it's not an option for aptitude, and i seem to recall it NOT being in older apt-get... but i'm not sure ;)
[14:49] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: then i'd call it a job well done and move onto the next task :D
[14:49] <imyousuf> hmm
[14:49] <iceroot> zykotick9: my etch does not know purge :) so seems a new feature
[14:49] <zykotick9> iceroot: and i lie - it is an option for aptitude ;)
[14:49] <MarKsaitis> Anyways, I am trying everything all together and im still saying that apt-get purge apache2 only wants to remove 36kb. Secondly, remove -purge - doesnt exist
[14:50] <MarKsaitis> so, apache2 cant be removed by any methods you all told me
[14:50] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: it can
[14:50] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: BTW is possible to filter my mac address in addition to IP?
[14:50] <ubuntu9009> hello!
[14:50] <MarKsaitis> well thats the question, How?
[14:50] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: I'm backing away from you now, as you seem to ignore all advice, do your own thing then come back complaining that things aren't working
[14:50] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: I told you specfically not to upgrade or you would have issues, you did it, and now you are having issues
[14:50] <DarwinSurvivor> MarKsaitis: "remove -purge" *doesn't* exist, "remove --purge" does (note the *double* hyphen).
[14:51] <MarKsaitis> thanx DarwinSurvivor still says 36kb
[14:51] <mentoc> Are there any tips to ensure that a wireless device I buy today will be supported by my kernel? (3.2)
[14:51] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: apache2 is a dummy package that calls all the dependencies of Apache, and installs whatever 2.x is most recent. purge, then autoremove.
[14:52] <ikonia> mentoc: check the hardware compatability list
[14:52] <MarKsaitis> ikonia, do u wanna say apt-get purge apache2 doesnt work for me because I upgraded in openvz?
[14:52] <mentoc> ikonia: thank you
[14:52] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: possibly, but there's no point as every single operating system (including all consumer routers) allow mac address spoofing in about 5 seconds worth of work. macs and ip can be spoofed, id-rsa keys CANNOT
[14:52] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, I thought so. It's ikonia who is telling that its because I broke something
[14:52] <ikonia> mentoc: there are brands which are well supported, brands which have "some" supported models and ones which have zero support
[14:52] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, so how do i remove it
[14:52] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: i just told you.
[14:52] <imyousuf> DarwinSurvivor: Agree! but just additional layer of security, you don't think thats worth it?
[14:53] <mentoc> ikonia: where would I find this list?
[14:53] <DarwinSurvivor> MarKsaitis: have you tried RUNNING it, it could be that 36kb is all there *IS* to remove, other packages may be sharing libraries with it.
[14:53] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, ok I will give it a go
[14:53] <DarwinSurvivor> imyousuf: anything to do with mac filtering isn't worth the time it takes to set it up
[14:53] <imyousuf> hmm pl
[14:53] <imyousuf> s/pl/ok
[14:53] <ikonia> mentoc: well, it's tricky to get an accurate risk, as it changes a lot and different people have different lists as it's "per kernel" and "per distro per kernel"
[14:53] <ikonia> !hcl | mentoc
[14:53] <georgelappies> how do you change the unity launchers highlight colour from orange to blue?
[14:53] <ikonia> mentoc: if you have a google on the internet, you'll find the general supported brands, then work the list down from there
[14:54] <DarwinSurvivor> not only can they easily be spoofed, but they are transmitted in cleartext during most activities (including when connecting to WPA2 wireless routers)
[14:54] <ikonia> mentoc: look on places like amazon, get ideas / costs for models, then check their specific compatability, then when you find one you like, go out and buy it
[14:54] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, http://pastebin.com/TzKUuXGF
[14:54] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, doesnt seem like, does it?
[14:55] <georgelappies> \join #ubuntu+1
[14:55] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: you're using the root user?
[14:55] <himanshu_m786> can anyone tell me where the temporary files (history) are saved ...... i want to delete it ....
[14:55] <DarwinSurvivor> MarKsaitis: now delete all directories called apache, apache2 and httpd from /etc/ and reinstall it
[14:56] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, yes, I am using the root user, so what. I am now doing all elevated commands only anyway, so instead of typing in sudo I just do them as root
[14:56] <Larss> When installing a linux distribution, should I go with GNOME or KDE?
[14:56] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: "sudo -i" accomplishes the same task, without putting Ubuntu into a state that's not recommended.
[14:57] <zykotick9> himanshu_m786: the command line history?  ~/.bash_history
[14:57] <ikonia> Larss: it's your choice, use which one you like
[14:57] <Larss> ikonia: I don't know the differences
[14:57] <ikonia> Larss: get a livecd, try them
[14:57] <CoolCoder> Cakephp application is not working on the web server root. i have created a folder inside web server root and inside that folder same web application is working fine. But on root directory when same application is moved, its showing htaccess issue. website index page is getting without styles. when click on link goes to 404 page. server is rackspace
[14:57] <oduku> i am coding in java in windows ..in some places in my code i need to give proper link which points to file located in ubuntu server.
[14:57] <DarwinSurvivor> Larss: check out youtube videos of each and pick the one that looks easier for you. if you can't decide, install both DE's in ubuntu and pick the one you like best (or leave them both in and switch back and forth)
[14:57] <Larss> Alright
[14:58] <MarKsaitis> if its the same, then whats the difference. I dont like the damn sudo, therefore for the command which need root access, I run as root. OVER. i didnt ask help about this
[14:58] <ikonia> mneptok: you'll find you just waste your time,
[14:59] <DarwinSurvivor> CoolCoder: if you mean http://www.rackspace.com/ then please use their support channel as they have no doubt used custom configurations for their servers
[14:59] <MarKsaitis> ikonia, and mneptok and DarwinSurvivor this is for you - http://serverfault.com/questions/205926/remove-apache-from-ubuntu
[14:59] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: and if you're going to proceed with the "I'll do things my own damned way and ignore advice, and then complain that Linux is unusable when I screw up," then i'm following ikonia to the other side of the room.
[14:59] <himanshu_m786> no not about the bash...  about the computer files history ...... like temporary ......    i want to delete it...
[14:59] <mcloy> hi, i want to learn about how to send email by (postfix or any other) but while configuring the server (on which postfix is installed) and having a proper setup by which the email will be send by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. i think will need to setup dns and rdns ? where can i read in detail....! ?
[15:00] <DrCode> what is the diffrent between bluz and bluman?
[15:00] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, dont teach me. There is no damn diffeence in command execution in ssh shell either doing it in root or doing sudo -i. OVER
[15:00] <gimbal> Hi folks - got a Grub issue. I've built and installed a new kernel, but it's not booting succesfully. I think I've got it narrowed down to a matter of the 'root' kernel param being given to the kernel by grub.cfg (as generated with the appropriate tools). My question is: Why does my custom kernel have root=/dev/sda2 when the other kernels (Ubuntu distributed) all have root=UUID=etcetc ?
[15:00]  * sipior goes for popcorn.
[15:00] <gimbal> I mean, why does it give the device for just that custom kernel, but the UUId for the other kernels, when the scripts generate grub.cfg ?
[15:01] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: adjust your attitude or that turns into a ban.
[15:01] <MarKsaitis> I said a fact. And all know it well
[15:01] <MarKsaitis> tell me if im not right then?
[15:01] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: your aggressive posturing continues. i really suggest you stop.
[15:03] <_raven> xubuntu 11.10 XBMC does not start up "unable to create application" - any ideas?
[15:04] <jrib> MarKsaitis: it was hard, but I think I found your actual question.  What ubuntu version?
[15:04] <MarKsaitis> jrib, 11.10 :)
[15:04] <_raven> xubuntu 11.10 XBMC does not start up "unable to create application" - any ideas?
[15:05] <jrib> MarKsaitis: autoremove /should/ work.  But if it's not, you can just purge apache2.2-common
[15:05] <bazhang> _raven, please dont repost so quickly
[15:05] <MarKsaitis> jrib, I have found it as well. Everything is ok. Some of experts here don't know what theyr talking themselves. apt-get remove apache2 doesnt actually remove it, thats a fact and it is documented on the internet. Dunno why some people try to call me fool if I say that I dont agree with them
[15:06] <MarKsaitis> jrib, yeah, apache2.2-common did the trick
[15:06] <DarwinSurvivor> _raven: "ps aux | grep xbmc" tell me if anything (other than a line with grep in it) prints out
[15:06] <jrib> MarKsaitis: ok, glad you solved your issue.
[15:06] <MarKsaitis> I am glad about it as well. Thanx for the interest jrib
[15:07] <_raven> DarwinSurvivor that shows only one line
[15:07] <himanshu_m786> i want save my space on disk ..... i want to delete history files........ can anyone tell me where i can find it and delete it.....
[15:08] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: the fact that the apache2 package does not include the -common package as a dependency, and thus expose it to autoremove, is a bug. as you see, jrib expected the same commands i gave you to work. and i never called you a fool, although you're happy to take potshots at me. it's this attitude that is concerning, and really should change.
[15:08] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, I didnt mean you =) some others only
[15:09] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: name-calling in general is unacceptable. please refrain.
[15:10] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, no seriously, I didnt mean you im telling again. I didnt tell who either, but not you thats for sure. there have been some others telling that this is all because of release upgrade, which it wasnt
[15:10] <DarwinSurvivor> _raven: please post a pastebin of the output using full logging http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Advancedsettings.xml#.3Cloglevel.3E
[15:11] <L3mce> MarKsaitis: If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be here asking. Because you don't "like" the answer you got does not make the answer "wrong" because you hit a bug. I strongly recommend you delete your init.d folder.
 mneptok, dont teach me. There is no damn diffeence in command execution in ssh shell either doing it in root or doing sudo -i. OVER
[15:11] <L3mce> you are being a jerk.
[15:11] <sipior> hokay kids. time to move on.
[15:11] <MarKsaitis> the only problem is that I removed it all, installed again, but apache2 still does not add itself to the upstart, is that normal?
[15:11] <oCean> let's move on, alright?
[15:11] <mneptok> let's discuss such things in #ubuntu-ops if they need further discussion.
[15:12] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: you might consider "sudo passwd -dl root" and using "sudo -i" from now on. ;)
[15:13] <DarwinSurvivor> brb
[15:13] <MarKsaitis> anyways, does default apache2 install make upstart script for itself? ir did I hit a bug again?
[15:14] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: it creates init/upstart stubs.
[15:14] <L3mce> For the record, shell scripts instantiated from init.d work more like sudo su, not carrying various environment variables... for the record.
[15:14] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: or, rather, includes such things as part of the package that is installed.
[15:14] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, how do I use these stubs, where are they and how do I enable them to start on system start?
[15:14] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: that is all done with the package.
[15:15] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: there should be no user intervention necessary to have the server running. but configuration is your task.
[15:15] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, dunno what is done and what is not. But, fresh installation of apache2, reboot server - apache2 isnt running.
[15:15] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: why do you say it is not running?
[15:16] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, so where are these stubs? in /etc/init ?
[15:16] <MarKsaitis> top shows no apache
[15:16] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: ps aux | grep apache2
[15:16] <MarKsaitis> ps aux no apache2 either
[15:16] <MarKsaitis> im not lying
[15:16] <MarKsaitis> seriously, it isnt running :)
[15:17] <haux> Can somebody tell me where xfce stores the current menu config file, and also where it stores the default one? For some reason my menu is all messed up now... with duplicate entries and other entries that shouldn't even be in specific categories. I'd like to restore the default one. The "revert" option is doing nothing.
[15:17] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 start
[15:17] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, that started it
[15:18] <TonyTheTiger> I'm trying to install opsview as outlined in http://docs.opsview.com/doku.php?id=opsview-community:ubuntu-installation but when I try to install the package I get the error "depends: libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.1) but it is not going to be installed." what do? i'm running 11.10
[15:18] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, what does it all mean then? why doesnt it get started automatically?
[15:18] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: well, it tried. is the server still running, or did it terminate because of a borked config you have lying around? because it would do the same thing when starting from init.
[15:19] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, it is running fine, serving pages
[15:20] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults
[15:21] <MarKsaitis> mneptok,  System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist. I thought this upstart init uses scripts in /etc/init only?
[15:23] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: not with total exclusivity. but you can now reasnably check the apache2 upstart job in /etc/init and make sure it's calling the right stuff out of init.d
[15:25] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, :) there is no file in /etc/init called apache* nor even simmilar
[15:25] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: for the record, on 10.04 i have no apache2 Upstart stuff in /etc/init. it is all in /etc/init.d
[15:25] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, im on 11.04
[15:25] <jrib> mneptok: in 11.10 apache is still a sysv style script
[15:26] <mneptok> jrib: good to know. i have no need of an httpd on my laptop. :)
[15:26] <MarKsaitis> the problem here is, that fresh apache2 install on 11.10 doesnt set apache2 to run automatically
[15:26] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: did you ever fiddle with the apache2 stuff in init.d?
[15:27] <jrib> MarKsaitis: also, is this a different system than the one you were purging apache from earlier?  You told me you were on 11.10 a few minutes ago
[15:27] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, never even touched
[15:27] <MarKsaitis> jrib, it was 11.10
[15:27] <jrib> MarKsaitis: and what version are you on now?
[15:27] <MarKsaitis> woops, few lines ago I misspelled, it all on 11.10
[15:28] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: well, that package works for many thousands of users. so something must be happening locally. check default runlevels?
[15:28] <MarKsaitis> I dont understand technically who is responsible for running apache2 on 11.10 if there is no sysv in there. Which upstart script should make the trick? what am I missing
[15:29] <nemo> Has anyone here successfully gotten pdnsd + resolvconf to work?
[15:29] <nemo> It does not appear to work "out of the box"
[15:29] <MarKsaitis> mneptok, as far as I understand there are no runlevels in upstart and 11.10 has no sysv system
[15:29] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: that is a flawed understanding.
[15:29] <MarKsaitis> might be
[15:30] <MarKsaitis> but thats what everybody said to me here
[15:30] <mneptok> MarKsaitis: i told you Ubuntu does not use Upstart exclusively, and jrib said apache2 is still a sysv script.
[15:30] <|Anthony|> does precise have support for HDMI out of the box? i'm using an nvidia gt240
[15:30] <oCean> |Anthony|: Precise/12.04 is not yet released (now beta). Please /join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion
[15:30] <MarKsaitis> ok, if sysv system is still enabled as well as upstart is, then why nobody runs any of these scripts I have in /etc/init.d ?
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> |Anthony|  better ask in #ubuntu+1
[15:31] <|Anthony|> yeah, i just scrolled up and read the topic
[15:31] <|Anthony|> sorry bout that
[15:31] <MarKsaitis> ps aux says im only running init sshd and 0bash
[15:31] <jrib> MarKsaitis: there's an upstart job that's responsible for running the sysv scripts (on ubuntu anyway)
[15:31] <MarKsaitis> jrib, ok. Which one is it?
[15:32] <jrib> MarKsaitis: rc
[15:32] <MarKsaitis> jrib, it exists and looks normal, but probably doesnt work
[15:33] <aoeui`> hi guys. Why such line put in crontab doesn't work: * * * * *  date=$(date +\%B); if [ ! -d /home/ja/directory/${date,,} ]; then mkdir /home/ja/directory/${date,,}. But when I point to a script like this, it does: * * * * *  /home/ja/directory/DATE
[15:33] <Unknown0BC> Hi, I have downloaded an ubuntu mirror ( for offline use etc...) but only the needed amd64 arch. But now when I do "apt-get update" it seems to ALSO look for the i386 stuff and gives errors. My software center is currently not installing from my mirror and I think this might be the cause. How can I get "apt-get update" to stop looking for i386 stuff ?
[15:33] <MarKsaitis> echo $RUNLEVEL outputs nothing for me, is that the case?
[15:33] <ikonia> aoeui`: you've been told this before
[15:33] <ikonia> aoeui`: you can't do * * * * *
[15:33] <MarKsaitis> root@server:/etc/init# runlevel
[15:33] <MarKsaitis> runlevel:/var/run/utmp: No such file or directory
[15:34] <ArchInsomniac> I was wondering. If I install the 12.04 RC, when the final version is released and I do a regular update will it auto upgrade me to the final release, or would I have to do a re-install?
[15:34] <bazhang> ArchInsomniac, it'll be final
[15:35] <ArchInsomniac> so the usual sudo apt-get update/upgrade does the trick?
[15:35] <aoeui`> ikonia: why not * * * * *? If I point to a script, it executes every minute. But if I put the entire command, it does not
[15:35] <jrib> MarKsaitis: well that's not supposed to happen :)
[15:35] <Firebolt> when does 12.04 release from beta?
[15:35] <ArchInsomniac> wiki says the 24th
[15:35] <Firebolt> ok
[15:35] <h00k> !precise
[15:36] <bazhang> !final | ArchInsomniac
[15:36] <llutz> aoeui`: cron uses /bin/sh but  your statement uses bashisms
[15:36] <MarKsaitis> jrib, runlevel:/var/run/utmp: No such file or directory  search tells me that it is an upgrade bug
[15:36] <ArchInsomniac> correction 26th
[15:36] <jrib> MarKsaitis: what's the result of « uname -r »?
[15:36] <ArchInsomniac> Firebolt wiki says the 26th of this month
[15:36] <nemo> ugh. since this is a desktop machine, I think I'm just going to have to give up on pdnsd + resolvconf
[15:36] <MarKsaitis> root@server:/etc/init# uname -r
[15:36] <MarKsaitis> 2.6.18-238.19.1.el5.028stab092.2
[15:36] <nemo> they just do not play well together at all
[15:36] <ArchInsomniac> bazhang ubottu thank you
[15:37] <nemo> gonna do pdnsd manual config
[15:37] <nemo> but I pity the poor user who was advised to install this as a dns cacher...
[15:37] <Melquimedes> estoy
[15:38] <happyface> does anyone have a build of iodfengine.x86_64.exe?
[15:38] <ArchInsomniac> does anyone in here use the Android development SDK with 12.04?
[15:38] <MonkeyDust> happyface  .exe looks windows to me
[15:38] <aoeui`> llutz: that may be the problem
[15:38] <jrib> MarKsaitis: there are two issues: 1) that's not an ubuntu kernel and 2) that's not a version of the kernel available on 11.10
[15:38] <Melquimedes> hola soy nuevo en Ubuntu / linux
[15:39] <Melquimedes> alguien habla español?
[15:39] <l3d> ok I am in need here i seem to be stuck in busybox on my laptop how would I get back to normal?
[15:39] <llutz> !es | Melquimedes
[15:39] <Melquimedes> tengo unas dudas
[15:39] <Melquimedes> gracias
[15:40] <himanshu_m786> can anyone tell me what files do lost+found contain
[15:40] <Unknown0BC> Hi, I have downloaded an ubuntu mirror ( for offline use etc...) but only the needed amd64 arch. But now when I do "apt-get update" it seems to ALSO look for the i386 stuff and gives errors. My software center is currently not installing from my mirror and I think this might be the cause. How can I get "apt-get update" to stop looking for i386 stuff ?
[15:40] <llutz> himanshu_m786: if fsck finds errors, it will put recovered data into this dir. usually its empty
[15:42] <llutz> !pm | himanshu_m786
[15:43] <himanshu_m786> please explain me ...
[15:43] <llutz> himanshu_m786: explain what?
[15:43] <MarKsaitis> can somebody please type in runlevel on ubuntu 11.10 or newer and tell me what it says? PLS
[15:43] <MarKsaitis> :)
[15:43] <himanshu_m786> fsck ....... actually i am new ...
[15:43] <l3d> what does it mean when it says init not found
[15:43] <MonkeyDust> MarKsaitis  N 2
[15:43] <tafelpoot> himanshu_m786: FILESYSTEM CHECK
[15:43] <tafelpoot> oeps sorry,
[15:44] <llutz> himanshu_m786: type "man fsck " into a terminal
[15:44] <tafelpoot> the caps were not intended
[15:44] <MarKsaitis> MonkeyDust, thanx and u on?
[15:44] <himanshu_m786> oh.... ok  thank you for help...
[15:45] <MonkeyDust> MarKsaitis  I followed a bit and I guess your questions are a bit beyond me
[15:45] <Melquimedes> perodn no se que hice pero no puedo en ubuntu en español. alguien me ayuda
[15:45] <llutz> himanshu_m786: you might remove that empty dir, it will be recreated if its needed. but it won't harm to just leave it there
[15:45] <MonkeyDust> MarKsaitis  not this one, but in general
[15:45] <jrib> !es | Melquimedes
[15:45] <MarKsaitis> ok
[15:46] <khangaikhuu> exit
 ok ...
[15:46] <Unknown0BC> apt-get update keeps looking for i386 stuff also on top of the actual arch of this machine amd64 .
[15:46] <Unknown0BC> is it possible to get it to stop ?
[15:48] <DarwinSurvivor> ok, i'm out for the day. If the channel gets flooded in the future and you need some help, feel free to ping me and i'll come back in
 actually when i install ubuntu 11.10  i alloted 32gb for it ..... now i am clearing temp file .....   and i am find them ..
[15:49] <MarKsaitis> does ubuntu 11.10 has runlevels?
[15:49] <llutz> himanshu_m786: /tmp will be emptied at boottime
[15:49] <llutz> !runlevel | MarKsaitis no
[15:49] <bugman> hello
ok
[15:49] <jrib> MarKsaitis: if you want to learn about upstart, you should read the upstart cookbook at: upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook
[15:49] <ubuntu_> fuskerc
[15:49] <bugman> can anyone explain how does IRC work?
[15:50] <ubuntu_> no ya
[15:50] <llutz> bugman: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
[15:50] <MarKsaitis> llutz, is that why my "runlevel" command doesnt tell me what runlevel the system is in?
[15:50] <ikonia> ubuntu_: do you need help ?
[15:50] <llutz> MarKsaitis: most likely
[15:50] <bugman> ty llutz
[15:50] <happyface> why might my /usr/include not be visible to my compiler? it can't find any of the headers
[15:50] <ubuntu_> me too
[15:50] <ylmfos> 哦来
[15:51] <MarKsaitis> bugman, very easilly. When you send /join #adad, the actual server actually gets the same string and processes it.
[15:51] <MarKsaitis> llutz, what system ur on?
[15:51] <llutz> MarKsaitis: debian sid
[15:51] <sipior> happyface: which compiler are you using, and how did you get it?
[15:51] <ubuntu_> u11
  i want to see the process that are running ....like in windows "task manager"
[15:51] <ikonia> ubuntu_: do you need help, yes/no ?
[15:51] <llutz> himanshu_m786: htop, top
[15:51] <happyface> sipior: mingw32 actually, and through ubuntu repos
[15:51] <MarKsaitis> can somebody who has ubuntu 11.10 and over type in "runlevel" and let me know what you get?
[15:51] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: ubuntu runs at run level 2
[15:51] <ubuntu_> me
[15:51] <happyface> sipior: maybe I need to go into a mingw channel :P
[15:52] <sipior> happyface: i assume adding "-I/usr/include" fixes the problem?
[15:52] <sipior> happyface: might not hurt :-)
[15:52] <happyface> sipior: thanks ill try it :)
[15:52] <ikonia> ubuntu_: do you need help, yes/no ?
[15:52] <jrib> MarKsaitis: the runlevel does return a runlevel; you know this because MonkeyDust answered you earlier.  The reason yours does not work is likely related to the fact that you are using a non-ubuntu kernel.  My advice is to ask for support from the vendor providing you with said kernel
[15:52] <ubuntu_> yes
[15:52] <ikonia> ubuntu_: how can we help ?
[15:53] <ubuntu_> i can nothing
[15:53] <MarKsaitis> jrib, might be true
[15:53] <sipior> happyface: ah, i wasn't thinking. mingw32 obviously won't be linking against the system glibc. using /usr/include would be inappropriate.
[15:54] <blzz> Moxi and I are debating Politics in pms lol
[15:54] <ubuntu_>  KJBHKJ;H
  ok...i install in terminal and and got that .....nice ....thanks
[15:56] <happyface> sipior: yea? Is it easier to compile windows stuff in cygwin or something?
[15:57] <sipior> happyface: you'll need to consult the mingw32 documentation. in principle there's no problem cross-compiling for windows, but you'll need to do some reading :-)
[15:58] <MarKsaitis> I think this is a general ubuntu problem with runlevels - they are BROKEN - read this folks http://www.securitronlinux.com/uncategorized/the-broken-ubuntu-runlevel-system/
[15:58] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: ubuntu runlevels are not broken
[15:59] <sipior> MarKsaitis: the world is moving on from runlevels. you should too.
[15:59] <MarKsaitis> well, I am trying to establish why command runlevel gives me error
[15:59] <jrib> MarKsaitis: they aren't broken; that site is actually just complaining about a debian decision to make runlevels 2-5 identical (which is a design decision; they work as intended by the developers)
[15:59] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: jrib gave you a possible reason
[16:00] <ikonia> MarKsaitis: contact your hosting provider to fix/resolve your machines issue
[16:00] <MarKsaitis> might be
[16:00] <jrib> MarKsaitis: I think contacting your vendor is what you should do now; we cannot help you further
[16:01] <Hunter-Eric> hi guys !
[16:06] <TimeKilla> Sup guys
[16:07] <martinphone> In thunderbird, how do I access the passwords section?
[16:08] <TimeKilla> type sudo where is my password
[16:08] <chrisb86> Has anyone of you installed an encrypted mailing list with schleuder yet?
[16:08] <TimeKilla> Anyone here drink buckfast tonic wine?
[16:08] <jrib> !ot | TimeKilla
[16:09] <bazhang> TimeKilla, chit chat elsewhere
[16:09] <TimeKilla> Sorry
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> martinphone  edit, preferences, security
[16:09] <TimeKilla> Been drinking will leave until i sober up.
[16:10] <martinphone> thx MonkeyDust
[16:11] <tlvb> any upstart script coders online? I'm trying to set up a reverse ssh tunnel (triggering on static-network-up) but it does not start automatically, manual start is ok though
[16:11] <himanshu_m786>  if i want to install the any software other than using "software center" ..... how can i do that ???
[16:11] <jrib> tlvb: might want to try #upstart as well
[16:11] <tlvb> jrib: ok, thanks
[16:12] <jrib> !software | himanshu_m786
[16:12] <codemaniac> hello
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> himanshu_m786  synaptic or else sudo apt-get install in a terminal
[16:17] <Certo> hi everybody
[16:18] <leoquant> sudo lsof -i -n -P on 12.04 gives dnsmasq, never seen this before. can this be removed on the ubuntu desktop envr.?
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> leoquant  better ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:19] <leoquant> because its a beta release MonkeyDust ?
 i am new ...... if i download the rar file ...... and when extract it then which of the file will install it
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> !12.04| leoquant here's why
[16:20] <leoquant> thank you
[16:22] <RoBz> aw do you really need 15GBs to install ubuntu?
[16:22] <leoquant> RoBz, no
[16:23] <RoBz> leoquant: how low can i go? :s
[16:23] <RoBz> i can afford to give it 10 no bother
[16:23] <RoBz> reckon thatd do it?
[16:24] <Dr_willis> RoBz,  depends on what work you want to do with it.
[16:24] <RoBz> not much tbh, i have windows and OS X installed already and OS X would be my primary OS
[16:24] <Dr_willis> if you want to toy with linux, you could test it out in virtualbox or some other vm
[16:25] <RoBz> nah im not into virtual machines tbh
[16:25] <RoBz> i want it running proper
[16:25] <RoBz> need it for some stuff in college
[16:25] <RoBz> ill give it 10 and 1 for swap
[16:25] <leoquant> RoBz, for basic things: irc/email/etc. 8gb
[16:26] <RoBz> ah sweet, thanks
[16:26] <gometrk> hallo
[16:26] <gometrk> !list
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> short and sweet
[16:27] <afeijo> good morning folks
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: af'noon
[16:28] <afeijo> I just installed a new ubuntu 11.10, is it possible to enabled just the shortcuts to move the current window around the screen (ctrl+alt+numKey) ?
[16:28] <afeijo> I love that feature :)
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: isn't that the grid plugin in compiz?
[16:29] <afeijo> ActionParsnip, indeed, it is afternoon here too, the holiday confused my mind
[16:29] <afeijo> ActionParsnip, I believe so, that should be the name
[16:29] <afeijo> I need the whole compiz for that?
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: indeed, its in a default install, then run:  ccsm
[16:29] <afeijo> usually I install the compiz manager to control it, ccsm?
[16:29] <afeijo> thanks, it opened
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: you may need to install compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:30] <afeijo> I have ccsm, it opened, so far so good. The grid is enabled, but not working ... weird
[16:31] <diamonds> http://screencast.com/t/l40Xo433r4 Next screen: http://screencast.com/t/6mJheepn4QuM
[16:31] <diamonds> what is going wrong here? how can I get more debug info?
[16:31] <afeijo> this ubuntu I'm running as a vmware workstation 8 guest, vmware uses ctrl+alt to release the control back to the host... it might been interfearing, I will check with vmware
[16:31] <diamonds> screen one has all the packages I selected
[16:31] <diamonds> only a couple
[16:31] <Antonis> Hello folks.I have a problem with ubuntu 11.10 64bit.. everytime I update my system, the flash plugin breakes and I am not able to see flash content on either chrome (google chrome latest not chromium)or firefox
[16:32] <afeijo> none of the compiz effects are working, wth
[16:33] <skel> Antonis: did you install the flash package or download and install it manually?
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: is compiz actually running?
[16:33] <afeijo> ActionParsnip, how can I check it?
[16:33] <afeijo> htop?
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: press alt+f2  and run:  compiz --replace
[16:33] <Amaya|2> Hello, is anybody available to answer any noob questions?
[16:34] <skel> Amaya|2: you'll never know unless you ask :)
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: you'll need to enable the partner repo to get 64bit flash by installing the adobe-flashplugin package
[16:34] <Amaya|2> haha ok, well I'm wondering what my kernel source is?
[16:34] <skel> Amaya|2: the version or where the actual source code is?
[16:35] <Amaya|2> Well, both
[16:35] <skel> Amaya|2: uname -a will provide you with the version
[16:35] <Amaya|2> Is this in terminal?
[16:35] <skel> Amaya|2: by default the source isn't installed, but you can apt-get the package
[16:35] <skel> Amaya|2: yes, terminal
[16:35] <Antonis> skel, I tried sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:35] <afeijo> (metacity:7577): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"
[16:36] <skel> Antonis: like ActionParsnip said, you'll need to enable partner repos in the software package settings
[16:36] <Antonis> I also tried adobe-flashplugin but neither of them work
[16:36] <kantlivelong> is there an app thats similar to the windows NetStumbler? Im looking to monitor wifi sn ratios and interference.
[16:36] <skel> Antonis: it's not a opensource package, so its provided via another repo to keep the level of seperation somewhat more clear
[16:36] <skel> kantlivelong: kismet
[16:36] <Amaya|2> skel: Just a second, i'm using a VM and it's slow
[16:36] <skel> Amaya|2: np
[16:36] <Antonis> canonical partners?
[16:36] <afeijo> damn, I installed the package pixmap but the error remains, maybe a reboot? I'll try later
[16:37] <kantlivelong> skel: kismet shows s2n?
[16:37] <skel> Antonis: thats the one
[16:37] <Antonis> ok let me see
[16:37] <Antonis> and then just upgrade or should I reinstall adobe packages?
[16:37] <skel> kantlivelong: I haven't used it in over a year but I thought it did
[16:38] <Amaya|2> skel: Linux mainuser-VirtualBox 3.0.0-17-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 8 17:34:21 UTC 2012 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[16:38] <skel> Antonis: so when you say you tried to install them and it didn't work, do you mean apt-get or the software "store" couldn't find the packages? or it did and it failed?
[16:38] <Antonis> skel, apt-get
[16:38] <skel> Amaya|2: so you're using 3.0.0-17
[16:38] <Antonis> I installed the packages
[16:38] <Antonis> but I was not able to play flash content
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: you can suppress that warning with:   sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[16:39] <Antonis> both adobe packages and flash-plugin installer installed correctly
[16:39] <kantlivelong> skel: perhaps your right.. gonna have a look now
[16:39] <skel> Antonis: is it specific content that doesn't work, or any flash page?
[16:39] <Antonis> but I was not able to play flash content and I still can't :\
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: can you give a pastebin of the output of:   lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[16:39] <Antonis> any flash I get instead of the flash content I get an icon that look like totem
[16:39] <Amaya|2> ok, thanks. I'll explain what i'm doing. I'm installing aircrack-ng and it says for the first step of patching my driver I must 'cd into my kernel sources'. Any idea what this means?
[16:40] <afeijo> ActionParsnip, ok that error is gone, but it still show 2 other fatal, here is the first one: Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[16:40] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/917653/
[16:40] <skel> ActionParsnip: do you think it's a conflict with a free flash plugin?
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: then you will need to ask in #vmware to see how you can get 3D accelleration in vmware
[16:40] <skel> Amaya|2: if you're trying to do aircrack via a vm it probably won't work (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)
[16:40] <afeijo> I might have missed that checkbox, great thanks :)
[16:40] <Amaya|2> Oh, well that's a disappointment
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: that's not all of the output, the command was more than that
[16:41] <unkr> can anyone tell me how to mount .nrg  files ??
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> (17:39:33) ActionParsnip: Antonis: can you give a pastebin of the output of:   lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> unkr: try mounty
[16:41] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/917656/
[16:41] <skel> Amaya|2: its just that it needs to access specific network drivers, and since your vm guest is virtualized, it won't be working with an orinoco / intel etc..
[16:41] <skel> Amaya|2: so it probably won't support the commands it needs
[16:42] <Amaya|2> It's just that i'm sure i've seen links to VM's on the aircrack website
[16:42] <Jasonxx> guy i have 2 drive in raid. when i am partitioning .. it asking him to select either 0 or 1
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: try:  sudo apt-get --purge remove adobe-flash-properties-gtk adobe-flashplugin ;sudo dpkg -P flashplugin-installer
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> unkr: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/indicator-applet-to-mount-cd-dvd-images.html
[16:42] <Jasonxx> when i put 0.. i see total space from 2 HD.. whereas when i put 1: i only see space for 1 hard drive
[16:43] <unkr> ActionParsnip, thnx :)
[16:43] <skel> Amaya|2: I could be wrong, its been a while since I've setup aircrack. I don't want to mislead you so I'll leave someone else who may know more to assist
[16:43] <skel> Amaya|2: but, if you want to get your source, you can do that via the command apt-get
[16:44] <server__> how can id to get my backup file for server
[16:44] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, done
[16:44] <Amaya|2> skel: thankyou anyway
[16:44] <Amaya|2> skel: so apt-get will getme 'into' the kernel?
[16:44] <skel> Amaya|2: so like: sudo apt-get install linux-source-3.0.0     in your case
[16:45] <skel> Amaya|2: it'll prompt you for a password, its your standard user pass
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: ok then install adobe-flashplugin package
[16:45] <skel> Amaya|2: that downloads the source code for the kernel into a directory, you can then go there to apply whatever matches and build whatever configs you need
[16:45] <server__> am now in ubuntu 12.04 and i used to be in ubuntu 10.1 help to get my mkahawa timer in ubuntu 12.04 i use it in cyber cafe
[16:46] <skel> Amaya|2: I'd recommend you read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> server__: ask in #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 support please
[16:46] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, done
[16:46] <Antonis> should I open google and try?
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: close all browsers, reopen to test
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> server__: fyi, leapfrogging releases will cause you issues
[16:47] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, nothing :\
[16:47] <skel> huh, I didn't know ubuntu repos included Red Hat Cluster Suite kernel source. cool
[16:48] <Amaya|2> skel: I see, so it seems like a bad idea, but then how else would I install my patch for my driver? It seems like i'll have to, otherwise I have little use for Ubuntu
[16:48] <skel> Amaya|2: its not necessarily a bad idea, it just requires a significant foundation of understanding to maintain
[16:49] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/xqbZQ.jpg look at the right
[16:49] <cct> HALLO UBUNTU WORLD :)
[16:49] <Amaya|2> skel: Why would I need to understand it? If I'm only modifying this one thing, then I won't need to touch it again?
[16:49] <skel> Amaya|2: you could potentially build in scripts to tie in your patches to the upgrade and update process
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: disable the totem plugin to manage flash
[16:50] <skel> Amaya|2: because next update you might get a kernel update. so if you want those changes, you'll either need to do that process every time.. or miss out on the fixes
[16:50] <skel> Amaya|2: ie. from 11.10 to 12.04 you go from kernel 3.0.0 to 3.2
[16:51] <Amaya|2> Oh I'm fine with re-doing it, I mean it's better than never using aircrack
[16:51] <skel> Amaya|2: I'm not sure if Ubuntu detects a custom kernel and leaves you alone or just moves you to the next one leaving it up to you to set the old to the default
[16:51] <cct> 12.04 beta 2 is good as any one ...
[16:51] <skel> Amaya|2: you might just look at a live-cd / usb for when you want to use aircrack
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> cct: #ubuntu+1 for anything precise based please
[16:51] <cct> Good work ubuntu theme ...
[16:51] <Abooda> greetings
[16:51] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, how do I do that??
[16:51] <skel> Amaya|2: unless you need to be using it while doing whatever you need your host OS for.
[16:52] <Antonis> AcidRain2012, I have the same prob in firefox
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> Antonis: launch the app and check the plugins
[16:52] <cct> ok!
[16:52] <pivetta> hi guys, i cant find anything about on the internet, when i open to fullscreen some applications it looks the computer gets overload and about to crash as he dims the screen (but in fact it isn't everything works well). it's pretty annoying to work with a dark screen, where do i remove this function? i want my screen to never get dark anymore, even if the pc is dying :)
[16:52] <ksmukeshkumar> how to install dolphin file manager ?
[16:52] <skel> pivetta: open settings, go to power and look at the options
[16:52] <Amaya|2> skel: It Doesn't have to be within Ubuntu, no. Would a live CD be slower?
[16:52] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, there are no enabled plugins :\
[16:53] <skel> Amaya|2: depends how much memory you have and what your processor is etc
[16:53] <skel> Amaya|2: I'd take a look at the backtrack livecd
[16:53] <Antonis> ActionParsnip, brb
[16:53] <skel> Amaya|2: also, making it a bootable usb should be faster as well
[16:53] <ksmukeshkumar> how to install dolphin file manager ?
[16:53] <Amaya|2> skel: 4Gb RAM, 2.2 GHz Quad core
[16:54] <xangua> ksmukeshkumar: sudo apt-get install dolphin
[16:54] <Amaya|2> skel: I'm not sure how to make a bootable USB for backtrack
[16:54] <skel> Amaya|2: yeah you should be fine, obviously it's not going to be as fast as running from fully installed if you have an SSD hard drive, but it'll definitely be usable as a desktop
[16:54] <pivetta> skel, i set "not suspend" at if Idle and when battery's low ibernate, but i'm on a tower pc, there aren't any other settings
[16:54] <sacarlson> pivetta: I think I've seen what you say when some timeout responce like on firefox doesn't respond that window dims signaling responce was slow something might be wrong.  is that what you mean?
[16:54] <skel> pivetta: what version of ubuntu?
[16:54] <ksmukeshkumar> xangua thanks
[16:55] <skel> Amaya|2: there are a bunch of tools out there to do it. check out unetbootin
[16:55] <pivetta> sacarlson, yes it's wath you mean, i've got it for example while working on blender in fullscreen
[16:55] <Sahdar> Hi there, using Ubuntu 12.04 and have some troubles with adope flash player. When i try to start an flash application, he asks me for some more storage at harddrive. But I can't click anything at the menu. :( so I can't click okay and give him more storage.
[16:55] <Amaya|2> skel: it can't get much slower than the Ubuntu VM
[16:55] <skel> Amaya|2: it just takes an iso image and point the program at an erasable (you can afford to lose the data) usb drive
[16:55] <pivetta> skel, 11.10 with unity
[16:56] <sacarlson> pivetta: I"ve also seen it I think in nautilus but it might have been a network connection that was slow, I'm not sure
[16:56] <skel> pivetta: look at screen options in settings, not power
[16:56] <john_700> 12.04 Beta 2 doing fairly well here
[16:56] <skel> pivetta: is "dim screen to save power" checked?
[16:56] <xangua> Sahdar: #ubuntu+1 for pangolin please
[16:56] <ksmukeshkumar> is there any tweak to change the appearence of file manger and whole desktop ?
[16:56] <Sahdar> ah okay.
[16:57] <Amaya|2> I have a Ubuntu Iso, but it's ot up-to-date. So i'll get a newere one. Once this bootable USB is established, will it update?
[16:57] <sacarlson> skel: I think it's dimed after a slow responce time out on applications,  not sure where the time out comes from or why the delay
[16:57] <Amaya|2> I assu e it's not just run in RAM?
[16:57] <Amaya|2> *assume
[16:57] <bazhang> Amaya|2, is it persistent?
[16:58] <GremlynTab> hello, I have run into an issue while upgrading 10.04 to 12.04, us this a good place for me to get help, or is there a better channel for that topic
[16:58] <Amaya|2> skel: Is what persistent?
[16:58] <skel> sacarlson: ah ok, I thought it was improperly detecting his desktop as a laptop and maybe the power stuff was wonkey
[16:58] <bazhang> Amaya|2, the usb stick
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> GremlynTab: #ubuntu+1 for prerelease please
[16:58] <pivetta> skel, yes found but it was "screen lock" not enough clear to me, thanks!
[16:58] <Amaya|2> skel: Sorry but I don't know wjhat you mean
[16:58] <GremlynTab> thanks ActionParsnip
[16:59] <bazhang> Amaya|2, my nicks not ske l
[16:59] <skel> Amaya|2: just meant, don't use a usb that you don't want erased :)
[16:59] <bazhang> !usb | Amaya|2 see the last link
[17:00] <skel> Amaya|2: and I would use Backtrack, not Ubuntu for what you want to do, it'll have the modified kernels
[17:00] <bazhang> Amaya|2, a live usb will be set to default once you reboot
[17:00] <Amaya|2> bazhang: sorry, I assumed because of the black text and unreadable name on my client that you must be the same person
[17:00] <skel> bazhang: ah! I was confused :-P
[17:02] <jhg_> hello
[17:02] <Amaya|2> ubottu: thanks, i've made a note of the links. I'll need to learn what a persistent drive is
[17:02] <john_700> Hello jhg...its working
[17:02] <jhg_> i know...
[17:02] <Kitty_22> I just updated to 11.10 (from 11.04) last night and I can't run any OpenGL based applications.  Can anyone help me?
[17:02] <bazhang> Amaya|2, persistent means changes are saved
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> Kitty_22: what gpu do you use?
[17:03] <Amaya|2> I see
[17:03] <Kitty_22> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)
[17:04] <Amaya|2> I have no drives that I can afford to lose. All are large (600Gb - 1TB) and if I did install Ubuntu on there I could not risk losing the rest of the data. I thought a live CD literally was when you run a CD in RAM, thus no changes would be saved
[17:04] <bekks> Amaya|2: Then backup your system completely.
[17:05] <bekks> Thats the only way to be sure to not lose data in case something weird happens.
[17:05] <Kitty_22> As far as persistance goes, couldn't you make a filesystem in a container?
[17:06] <Amaya|2> I can't backup all of my data; only important things. The majority of my stuff will need to be re-downloaded when my external drives fail
[17:06] <bekks> Amaya|2: Thats your decision then :) Unbackup data is lost data.
[17:06] <bekks> *Unbackuped
[17:06] <Amaya|2> I might see if I can acquire a pen drive of myabe 8Gb and run Ubuntu from it
[17:06] <|Anthony|> hold shift during boot from install media to access nomodeset, right?
[17:07] <Amaya|2> bekks: Well it would be silly to back up everything. Instead of having 3Tb of data I suddenly have 6Tb
[17:07] <Amaya|2> It's not like it's business stuff, it's personal use like movies
[17:07] <bekks> Amaya|2: Well, think of losing all your data, then backing it up isnt that silly anymore.
[17:07] <spyvsspy> is there a way in ubuntu server, to change the default network connection
[17:08] <bekks> spyvsspy: Change it like what?
[17:08] <spyvsspy> it hangs 2-3 minutes upon startup because I dont have an either net cable connected, but I would like to setup wvdial as the connection mechanims
[17:08] <skel> Amaya|2: live-cd does not use your disk to store info unless you tell it to
[17:09] <Amaya|2> bekks: Well I can afford to lose it. The only things I really can't lose are a couple of Gb max, including documents, which i'll get round to backing up, but these are on my PC and I beleive less likely to fail as they're SATA instead of USB. At least I think; it's no excuse though, i'll back up soon
[17:09] <skel> Amaya|2: in general, anything can happen, but the probability of a live-cd (unless it's an install cd) wiping anything out is pretty low
[17:10] <bekks> Amaya|2: "Backup important data soon" is an oxymoron.
[17:10] <Kitty_22> ActionParsnip, It's an Intel GM965.  The relevant errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/917703/
[17:10] <bekks> Amaya|2: None the less, it's all up to your decision.
[17:10] <diamonds> so I did the "minimal" install on a VM
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> Kitty_22: could try in #compiz
[17:10] <skel> Amaya|2: in fact, since in most live-cd's your local drive isn't mounted or if it is its mounted read-only, there's less chance of a failure then if you crashed (at a hardware level) hosting a vm
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> Kitty_22: you may want to read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:11] <Kitty_22> ActionParsnip, It's not just compiz though, nothing that's GL-based will run.  I'll try there though.
[17:12] <Amaya|2> bekks: of course, but I take risks when they're low. If a live CD is unlikely to wipe a disk then it's good enough for me. I've never been in a situation in like 15 years of using computers where I've lost all of my data, so I guess i've never been so cautious. Besides, even if I do and it was very importnt that I retrieve a document, then 'm sure it can be recovered with tools.
[17:13] <diamonds> http://screencast.com/t/ng76BWJ6m0
[17:13] <skel> Amaya|2: what bazhang was saying is you can tell the usb boot creater to reserve a portion of the usb thumb-drive for saving your changes across boots. It's not meant for high-volume write scenarios but it would certainly work for something like saving aircrack sessions.
[17:13] <diamonds> this thread may address my issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1099261
[17:13] <diamonds> but I didn't do any tweaking to the VM settings
[17:14] <bekks> diamonds: a vm does not have an SMBus controller.
[17:14] <diamonds> bekks: so must I install ubuntu differently?
[17:14] <bekks> No, you just have dont care about it :)
[17:14] <bekks> Do you know whats a SMBus controller and what it is for?
[17:14] <Saurabh_> Hey guys, wat are u views for HUD>
[17:15] <diamonds> bekks: no, not at all
[17:15] <Amaya|2> skel: I think I get what you mean. Although i've used for computers for a long time, i've not learned half as much as I should and i'm very much a b00b with many things, including anything non-windows, VM's etc
[17:15] <diamonds> If I set it to use that it was in error
[17:15] <diamonds> (i.e. I didn't mean to
[17:15] <Amaya|2> *n00b, or a b00b
[17:15] <skel> Amaya|2: I understood :)
[17:15] <bekks> diamonds: In real hardware, thats the controller sensors are connected to, like the voltage sensors, temp sensors, and stuff.
[17:16] <bekks> diamonds: In a vm, you just dont have to care about :)
[17:16] <diamonds> thank you
[17:16] <diamonds> bekks: so I'm having trouble booting now
[17:16] <Jasonxx> can someone please tell me how to mount 2nd drive in raid. I can see the first drive but can't see 2nd drive
[17:16] <diamonds> I get that error message then a blank screen'
[17:16] <diamonds> http://screencast.com/t/981xzvLkApW < fwiw my vm settings
[17:16] <Amaya|2> skel: So, I can set up a small amount of space on an external drive just like Truecrypt does? sort of separate from the rest
[17:16] <bekks> diamonds: thats a different problem not related to that SMBus message at all.
[17:16] <diamonds> bekks: ah thank you
[17:17] <skel> Amaya|2: yeah, like unetbootin program will do it all for you, and theres a version you can download for windows to make the bootable drive
[17:17] <bekks> Jasonxx: Do you have a hardware raid controller?
[17:17] <Jasonxx> yah
[17:17] <bekks> Jasonxx: Then you dont see two drives, but just one logical one.
[17:17] <Amaya|2> Oskel: k that's interesting.
[17:17] <bekks> Thats why it is called RAID.
[17:17] <skel> Amaya|2: if you're using a seperate usb disk-drive, your options are a lot better, and you could just do a full install on to that (like one of those WD passport drives)
[17:17] <Jasonxx> umm
[17:17] <Jasonxx> how come i can't see the space of 2nd drive
[17:17] <skel> Amaya|2: otherwise, just use an 8gb thumb like you said.
[17:17] <Jasonxx> i only see /home has 1 drive mounted
[17:17] <bekks> Jasonxx: I just told you.
[17:17] <Amaya|2> skel: That's interesting, do I boot the Ubuntu up at the start like a dual boot or do I boot it like I do my VM?
[17:18] <bekks> Jasonxx: So provide what you see in a pastebin please.
[17:18] <gitesh> I am a begginer. I want to learn ubuntu. any url?
[17:18] <skel> Amaya|2: you'd go into your bios and just make sure usb is bootable and in order before your internal drive
[17:18] <sacarlson> Jasonxx: so the total hard disk mem space is not seen ?
[17:18] <skel> Amaya|2: then when you want to use it, just plug it in and boot (or reboot as it were)
[17:18] <Amaya|2> skel: I'm glad 8Gb is enough then I won't be needing to really save anything ,just to use programs like aircrack and maybe write down anything I need
[17:18] <rhizmoe> what's a decent music player that runs on 10.10? i can't even find anything that allows filtering on genre.
[17:18] <skel> Amaya|2: yeah 8gb is plently
[17:19] <skel> Amaya|2: *plenty
[17:19] <Amaya|2> skel: Brilliant. What would you say the minimum is?
[17:19] <bekks> For a minimal install, about 700MB.
[17:19] <skel> Amaya|2: I'm not sure what the backtrack footprint is.. probably less then 1gb
[17:19] <sacarlson> rhizmoe: sound like rythumbox
[17:19] <rhizmoe> sacarlson: no genre in the 10.10-usable version
[17:19] <AaronCampbell> I have several startup apps that I've recently set up.  These include RealVNC, Skype, Dropbox, Clipit, and Most recently "Cloud App"
[17:20] <AaronCampbell> Cloud App is a python app (run with "/usr/bin/python /home/acampbell/py-cloudapp/cloudapp") and doesn't seem to start but all the others do.
[17:20] <diamonds> What's a good next step if the first time I boot my ubuntu minimal VM I get a blank screen with no prompt?
[17:20] <Amaya|2> skel: by footprint I assume you mean it's size, rather than a version of backtrack?
[17:20] <diamonds> does it not come with a shell...?
[17:20] <Amaya|2> *its
[17:20] <skel> Amaya|2: check out http://www.backtrack-linux.org/downloads/   (yes to size question in relation to footprint)
[17:20] <Steevca> If i install a wicd and upgrade to 12.04 beta2 via live cd,will the upgrade remove the wicd or not?
[17:20] <bekks> diamonds: boot the kernel with the "text" option.
[17:20] <Dr_willis> !nomodeset | diamonds
[17:20] <Steevca> I am on 11.10 now.
[17:21] <bekks> Steevca: 12.04 is supported in #ubuntu+1 only
[17:21] <diamonds> oh, thank you
[17:21] <skel> Amaya|2: looks like its larger, about 3gb
[17:21] <Amaya|2> skel: Thanks for th link, I do have Backtrack downloaded somewhere, i'll go look.
[17:21] <diamonds> switching to tty1 works, btw
[17:21] <Steevca> I am asking about a software not about 12.04 bekks
[17:21] <skel> Amaya|2: np
[17:21] <sacarlson> rhizmoe: I definitly see genree in Rhythmbox 0.12.8
[17:21] <diamonds> which one was I getting the black screen on... tty7?
[17:21] <bekks> Steevca: You are asking about the behaviour of a software in 12.04, to be exactly.
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> Steevca: the upgrade will upgrade the apps you have installed
[17:22] <Steevca> ActionParsnip, so it won't delte wicd and install network-manager? :D
[17:22] <sacarlson> rhizmoe: I guess you'll just have to move back to ubuntu 10.04 that has 3 more years of life left in it
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> Steevca: as far as I am aware, no. I'd ask in #ubuntu+1
[17:22] <Amaya|2> skel: 2.6Gb :\
[17:22] <Steevca> Because network-manager can't detect my network connection on 12.04 and i had to install 11.10.
[17:22] <Steevca> ActionParsnip, ok,i ll' check.Thanks.
[17:22] <skel> Amaya|2: thats not that bad, if you have a 4gb thumb that leaves plenty of room
[17:23] <Amaya|2> skel: Hmm i'm not sure, i'll have to look around
[17:24] <Mordy> hi can someone tell if I need nvidia drivers on ubuntu or not because now everything is working perfectly ?
[17:24] <Dr_willis> Mordy,  depends on how speedy the gpl drivers for your needs.
[17:24] <Amaya|2> skel: I mean I have my iPod and Blakberry I could also use, but I'm not sure If I want to risk losing data from there
[17:25] <skel> Amaya|2: ehh yeah I wouldn't do that, not sure either of those would work really
[17:25] <skel> Amaya|2: since they probably have to "switch" to a USB storage mode
[17:25] <Dr_willis> you cant boot from an ipod or blackberry as far as i know...
[17:25] <skel> Amaya|2: and the boot utility has to write a boot-loader
[17:26] <skel> Amaya|2: which could screw up your device if its not a standard usb disk drive
[17:26] <sacarlson> mordy: if it's not broke don't fix it.  but there is a lot of eye candy in the propriatary nvidia drivers that I love, when you get exposed to it you might not live without it
[17:26] <rhizmoe> sacarlson: huh. i have 0.13.1...maybe i should poke around more? weird.
[17:27] <skel> anyone using wayland w/out X?
[17:27] <sacarlson> rhizmoe: sometimes if you don't look you don't see
[17:27] <skel> just read about it this morning
[17:27] <skel> curious how far along it is for window managers etc
[17:27] <rhizmoe> sacarlson: dag, just saw the pane-config thing in prefs. i just looked past it before. thanks :)
[17:27] <diamonds> bekks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 < are these the instructions I should be working from?
[17:28] <diamonds> thanks, I'm just checking to make sure i'm on the right track
[17:28] <Amaya|2> skel: thanks for the advice there
[17:28] <skel> Amaya|2: anytime
[17:28] <Amaya|2> Also I wonder why my IRC client blacks out the names/text of people who refer to my nick
[17:28] <Amaya|2> it's weird
[17:28] <diamonds> oh sorry the article Dr_willis suggested goes over that further down
[17:28] <skel> Amaya|2: just your colorscheme
[17:28] <skel> Amaya|2: what client?
[17:28] <Amaya|2> KVIrc
[17:28] <Mordy> sacarlson: I installed nvida drivers but then I have problems with dual screen so i unistall them
[17:29] <skel> Amaya|2: I'd poke around in preferences and see what themes it supports
[17:29] <sacarlson> Mordy: oh I think I would go with 2 screens over eye candy as long as I can still view video's
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> sacarlson: +1
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> Mordy: how did you install the video driver and what GPU do you use?
[17:30] <skel> I <3 virtual desktops :-P
[17:30] <donpdonp> anyone notice flash audio started to skip recently, possibly due to recent package updates? (ubuntu 11.10)
[17:30] <Amaya|2> skel: I selected no theme. Also I may as well ask as i'm here, but would you know why it starts ith the welcome screen every time I open the application? It's set to store settigns in a folder, but it stil ltreats it liek a first boot, which is weird considering it remembers my nick that I entered on my first run
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> donpdonp: never had a flash issue personally ;)
[17:31] <skel> Amaya|2: I've never heard of KVirc until today :-P so I wouldn't be much help
[17:31] <Mordy> ActionParsnip: I installed via additionals drivers and I have 8800gts 320mb
[17:31] <skel> Amaya|2: but it looks like there's a channel for it on the network
[17:31] <skel> Amaya|2: maybe ask in there
[17:32] <skel> I just learned about the "awesome" window manager the other day. I really like it
[17:32] <skel> still using Gnome 3 on my work laptop, but considering switching.
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> Mordy: could try:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates ; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[17:32] <Amaya|2> skel: i'll do that, thanks.
[17:36] <mrec> hmm .. is there any reason why normal binaries which used to work with older ubuntu versions suddenly give a permission denied errorno 127?
[17:36] <mrec> with ubuntu 12.04?
[17:36] <StepNjump> I wonder if anyone has ever heard about this: It seems like I lost a lot of files, my folders are empty on an external hard drive. Has this happened to anyone before?
[17:36] <xangua> mrec: #ubuntu+1 for pangolin
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> mrec: ask in #ubuntu+1 for prerelease stuffplease
[17:37] <mrec> oh my god they turned off execution support in /tmp
[17:37] <mrec> which weirdo's idea was that ...
[17:37] <Vedder26> hi
[17:38] <Amaya|2> skel: yaaaay I found a 4Gb USB that I never knew I had
[17:39] <skel> Amaya|2: I love that :-P I do that all the time when I clean the house, check the couch coushins etc. It's like a holiday
[17:39] <Amaya|2> skel: So now I'll go off and read those URL's on putting a bootable Ubuntu from the drive
[17:39] <Amaya|2> skel: Haha yes, it's not as good as when you find money in the sofa though :p
[17:39] <skel> Amaya|2: ok, keep in mind that ubuntu probably won't have the modified kernel you need for aircrack
[17:40] <Amaya|2> well I modify it like you said, right?
[17:40] <Mordy> ActionParsnip: Can you tell me where is the catch between Nvdia acc graphics driver (version 173) and Nvdia acc graphics driver (version current) [Recommended]?
[17:40] <skel> Amaya|2: and you'd have to go through the patching process for your bootable drive which is a bit harder then just doing it on a native or vm install
[17:40] <Amaya|2> how's it harder?
[17:40] <skel> Amaya|2: yes, but it'd be a lot easier to use a specialized distro thats made exactly for what you want to use
[17:41] <Amaya|2> skel: Oh yes I forgot, i'm using Backtrack
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> Mordy: version number, the command I gave will give version 295
[17:41] <skel> Amaya|2: =]
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> Amaya|2: not supported here
[17:41] <skel> Amaya|2: do you know if your hardware is whats needed before you go through the effort?
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> Amaya|2: ask in #backtrack-linux
[17:41] <satyanash> BackTrack and Mint seem to have become quite popular Ubuntu alternatives..?
[17:42] <Amaya|2> skel: Yes i've found my chipset and there seems to be a page on the aircrack website about the patch, I just have to learn how to install it on Backtrack
[17:42] <Mordy> ActionParsnip: im using xubuntu so it's same command :D ?
[17:42] <Amaya|2> ActionParsnip: Thankyou for the link, i'll go and hassle them instead
[17:42] <skel> satyanash: anything that requires kernel patches typically will
[17:42] <satyanash> skel, >
[17:42] <satyanash> skel, ?
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> Mordy: yes, the only difference is the default app set, the driver structure etc is the same
[17:42] <skel> Amaya|2: they're probably pre-patched and will detect your card on bootup then, if you saw your card on the site, I wouldn't think you'd need to patch anything. Probably just need to fire up aircrack
[17:43] <AggieSigner> Has anyone used Ubuntu 10.04 in Oracle VM VirtualBox?
[17:43] <Dr_willis> AggieSigner,  it should work fine.
[17:43] <Amaya|2> skel: That would be brilliant, i'll fire the questions at their IRC
[17:43] <skel> satyanash: ie in this case Amaya|2 wants to use aircrack which would need ubuntu default kernels to be patched for her network drivers to do what they need to do
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> AggieSigner: I'm sure many have
[17:44] <skel> satyanash: so its just easier to go the way of a specialized distro for one-off single use-cases
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> skel: its under backtrack so isn't supported here
[17:45] <skel> ActionParsnip: sorry, I didn't realize discussing ubuntu comparisons with other distro's was off-topic
[17:45] <Amaya|2> skel: Thankyou once more for your help, and any others that added to the chat. I shall use the resources and information that you advised me to do. You guys are so helpful :)
[17:45] <satyanash> skel, true
[17:46] <thanmustoki> hello world :)
[17:46] <skel> Amaya|2: anytime :) if you ever consider switching over to ubuntu as your primary os, this channel has some great people in it. Sometimes you'll just need to be patient or also try the forums etc.
[17:46] <georgelappies> what is the safest way (least likely to break upgrades) to change the unity launcher from orange to blue?
[17:46] <Mordy> ActionParsnip: now im installing drivers :D
[17:47] <Dr_willis> georgelappies,  set it transparant, then set your wallpaper with a blue bar under where the launcher is at. :)
[17:47] <t1m310rd> in brasero disk burner, it refers to disk speed as MiB(mebibyte) this is 2^20 bytes, vs 10^6 for MB. Since MiB is so rarely used, does anyone know if this is just a typo, or if it is truly using MiB?
[17:47] <Planetary> I downgraded to 10.04 and want to use Shotwell photo manager and its saying my version (.5) is not compatible with the library (.95) How do I make it so I can use Shotwell?
[17:47] <Dr_willis> georgelappies,  in the next release the color is suppose to some how get based on your wallpaper or some magic. :)
[17:48] <georgelappies> Dr_willis: pardon the ignorance but where do I set it as transparent?
[17:48] <Amaya|2> skel: Well I'm not sure i could ever leave windows due to compatibility and familiarity, but I'm definitely warming to the idea of Ubuntu. I do love it so far. I'm a little overwhelemed by how different it is and some of the extra understanding it requires, but then it seems as though that can only be a good thing
[17:48] <diamonds> so setting nomodeset and acpi_osi=none (on my virtual machine) got me this far: http://screencast.com/t/sniOsHUy4w67
[17:48] <diamonds> but it seems to stop here
[17:48] <Dr_willis> georgelappies,  the ccsm tool has some unity tweaks/settings i belive.  Im on 12.04 now so cant be sure where its at in any other location.
[17:48] <skel> Amaya|2: that seems to be the general consensus =] (better understanding only can be a good thing)
[17:49] <georgelappies> i am also on 12.04, so i need to install ccsm?
[17:49] <Amaya|2> It seems as though entering commands is a very normal thing to do in Ubuntu, whereas obviously I'm used to GUI's in Windows
[17:49] <Marzata> 12.04 Unity?
[17:49] <Dr_willis> georgelappies,  the 'myunity'  tool might also have the setting.
[17:50] <Amaya|2> I'm not sure if I could get used t ocommands, because not only must I remember then, but if I don't know them then I must search for them, whereas GUI's seem to require common sense
[17:50] <Dr_willis> Amaya|2,  i use commands in windows all the time. :) and often guis dont make sence..
[17:50] <skel> Amaya|2: wait till you see Windows 8, you might rethink that :-P (I kid, to each their own)
[17:51] <Amaya|2> skel: Haha, I heard somebody about them removing the start bar?
[17:51] <Amaya|2> *something
[17:51] <Guest70844> Amaya|2: in my experience, just about all the features in the settings GUIs for windows are replicated in Ubuntu. But I still find commands to be more efficient.
[17:51]  * skel nods.
[17:52] <skel> I loved this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yVpbFMhOAwE
[17:52] <AggieSigner> Okay,  The problem I'm having is that after I go through the steps of getting it set up, it will start installing but then then all I see is the background like you would see when it starts up.
[17:52] <Amaya|2> Guest70844: I understand what yu mean, but to me, the notion of using commands seems very much like it requires a different mindset to tackling the problems. I'm not against this, but at the moment it's alien and I just don't need to do it.
[17:53] <Dr_willis> on IRC support - its much easier to give a command then to try to talk someone through navigating a GUI/menus/ that may not even be in english. :)
[17:54] <diamonds> is it a problem if I can't get anything to load in tty7>
[17:54] <diamonds> ?
[17:54] <Dr_willis> diamonds,  what do you mean load? that tty is where X normally runs.
[17:55] <diamonds> I can switch to tty1 and do stuff, and my sshd is running which is the main thing I need
[17:55] <Amaya|2> Dr_willis: I suppose that makes sense, but then i'm relying on other people to answer my problems and not Google, where I interpret what I see
[17:55] <diamonds> Dr_willis: I installed minimal, I thought I'd get a prompt there by default
[17:55] <diamonds> but I don't get anything, just a blank screen
[17:55] <Dr_willis> diamonds,  only if the upstart confiugs are starting one.
[17:55] <diamonds> ah ok
[17:55] <Dr_willis> 1-6 = consoles. 7+ X displays normally
[17:55] <diamonds> so just switch tty's and go about my bidniss
[17:56] <diamonds> OK I just wanted to make sure I didn't have a "problem"
[17:56] <Dr_willis> you may want to learn to use screen, instead of a lot of consoles.
[17:56] <diamonds> I use tmux
[17:56] <diamonds> anyway I hate doing stuff in the VM window, I just ssh to the guest
[17:57] <Dr_willis> if you need more then 6 consoles. its not too hard to make it start up more
[17:57] <diamonds> and tmux and go on  (to other servers etc) from there
[17:57] <Amaya|2> Right, i'm going to work through some tasks and get working on aircrack, thankyou for the help again
[17:57] <Amaya|2> Also I don't suppose anybody knows a command on IRC for leaving the channel without leaving the client
[17:57] <Amaya|2> ?
[17:57] <ikonia>  /part
[17:57] <Amaya|2> brilliant, thanks
[17:57] <diamonds> Amaya|2: /part #channelname
[17:58] <pawan_tejwani> in openstack, when uploading an image to cloud, I get error saying "failed to check for existing mainfest", I checked my glance connections and rest of the configuration. what else can be the error ? please help. I am following cssoss diablo guide v2
[18:00] <Guest13388> hello
[18:01] <pawan_tejwani> in openstack, when uploading an image to cloud, I get error saying "failed to check for existing mainfest", I checked my glance connections and rest of the configuration. what else can be the error ? please help. I am following cssoss diablo guide v2
[18:02] <Guest13388> I am currently running 10.04 lucid but thinking about upgrading to 12.0 PP Beta. If I do upgrade it, do I have to reinstall 12.04 official release thats coming out on april 26th ?
[18:02] <Guest13388> Please kindly advise
[18:02] <bekks> Guest13388: You dont have to reinstall.
[18:02] <bekks> But you shouldnt update to a beta.
[18:03] <Guest13388> thanks bekks.. ok, I will wait until the official release comes out
[18:05] <Raliegh> Anyone here available to help me with configuring Monit?
[18:06] <Dr_willis> !info monit
[18:06] <Dr_willis> never heard of it.
[18:07] <ratcheer> I haven't either. Why not just use Upstart?
[18:08] <Raliegh> Because somebody mentioend Monit last night, and it seems to do what I need (check to see if a process is running and if not, restart it) but I don't know how to configure it.
[18:09] <skel> is upstart like chkconfig for ubuntu?
[18:09] <Raliegh> Not properly at least. Can't really make heads or tails of Monit's documentation.
[18:10] <ratcheer> Upstart is like systemd or System V init for Ubuntu.
[18:10] <skel> ah ok
[18:10] <Raliegh> Doesn't sound like it does what I need it to.
[18:11] <Arturro> Hello. I've got some problem while trying "sudo apt-get build-dep libreoffice". Terminal tells me that:
[18:11] <Arturro> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:11] <Arturro> libgtk2.0-dev : Depends: libxi-dev (>= 1:1.0.1-4) but it is not going to be installed
[18:11] <Arturro> libxtst-dev: Depends: libxi-dev but it is not going to be installed"
[18:11] <skel> Raleigh : try using chkconfig
[18:11] <ratcheer> Raliegh: Just run "initctl status <jobname>", where jobname is a service like bluetooth or plymouth.
[18:12] <Escherial> for sme reason, update manager on ubuntu 11.10 keeps notifying me that "enterprise search server based on Lucene - common files" and "Tomcat integration" consistently need to be upgraded, but i can't select them or get rid of them
[18:12] <gadien> So, between Ubuntu and Debian, what folders can be shared for a partition? eg: /home and how big should I make them.
[18:12] <ratcheer> To see all your jobs, run "initctl list"
[18:12] <powersurge> hey, is there any way to tell what binaries are installed by a package from the command line?
[18:13] <Arturro> So I tried to install libxi-dev... but it requires libxi6... So I tried to install it... but it turns out that I already HAVE libxi6 (newer version that I've downloaded)
[18:13] <Raliegh> They aren't services. These are for my various shoutcast servers ratcheer, and I have them start up with a script in /etc/init.d, a separate one for each. If one goes down I simply need something to check for that and run "/etc/init.d/xxx restart" if it is down.
[18:13] <zykotick9> gadien: even sharing home between ubuntu and debian will probably lead to issues, due to different versions of packages... best to keep them separate
[18:14] <zykotick9> powersurge: "dpkg -L foo"
[18:14] <powersurge> zykotick9: cool, thanks
[18:15] <ratcheer> Raliegh: Upstart could handle all of that. But, it is more complicated than what I currently know how to do. Read this: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook
[18:16] <skel> sounds like you could make a simple watchdog script and daemonize it
[18:17] <afeijo> ActionParsnip, I enabled the accelerate 3d graphics in vmware, but yet compiz does not work and the same errors shows up :(
[18:17] <zykotick9> afeijo: as far as i know (few versions out of date info follows) vmware can't do compiz
[18:18] <afeijo> zykotick9, that is stunishing, since virtualbox can do it for years
[18:18] <afeijo> I only wanted the grid from compiz :(
[18:18] <skel> im pretty sure kvm + spice can support compiz
[18:18] <skel> is the host windows?
[18:19] <zykotick9> skel: have you tried spice?  i've never gotten any video accelleration in kvm
[18:19] <afeijo> skel yes
[18:19] <skel> ah ok no go then
[18:19] <afeijo> no go? lol
[18:19] <Mord_> hello I have urgent case here I have installed latest nvidia drivers and restarted pc but now it freezes at logo screen / progress bar? can anyone help
[18:19] <catcher> Is it possible to restart X without losing my session (all my open windows)?
[18:20] <zykotick9> catcher: no
[18:20] <catcher> My video card driver gets sluggish over time and needs to be restarted.
[18:21] <goh> is there any way to increase a the partition size on a dual boot without reformatting ubuntu? (damaged install of windows, want to re-order and reinstall it, i don't care about blowing it away(windows that is)
[18:21] <zykotick9> Mord_: latest nvidia from nvidia.com?
[18:21] <satyanash> Interestingly I remember restarting ssh without D/C from my ssh session..
[18:21] <afeijo> goh, yeah, use gparted app
[18:21] <skel> zyko gah cmon nick complete.. spice supports at least 2d accel that i know of
[18:21] <zykotick9> skel: thanks.
[18:22] <Mord_> zykotick9: not from nvidia from terminal
[18:22] <skel> using android irc client.  apologies for any weird responses
[18:22] <goh> afeijo: that WILL save my current linux partition in its entirety? what's the 'command" or option to incrase GP
[18:22] <afeijo> goh, gparted is a application, install and open it, but you will probably need to do it thru a LiveCD since you're currently using your partitions
[18:22] <goh> already installed
[18:22] <Fyodorovna> goh, you can't resize a partition your using, use gparted with a live cd.
[18:23] <afeijo> goh, the app let you resize any partition, add, remove, etc
[18:23] <goh> OOOOH
[18:23] <goh> live cd
[18:23] <goh> brilliant, does the live cd version have to match my current version? (11.04)?
[18:23] <granty> hey, could someone help me with getting my wireless ad-hoc Internet connection sharing working, i'll tried a bunch of tutorials online and nothing it working, i can establish a connection, but Internet is not shared
[18:23] <afeijo> goh, no
[18:23] <goh> thanks a lot guys, life savers.
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> hi all, does anybody know if it's possible to tell the Unity Launcher which background color it should use? I understand now it's automatically determined by calculating the icon's most dominant color
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> can I change that in the .desktop file for example?
[18:24] <john_700> pmj: Try MyUnity app
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> john_700: no, I meant for one particular application
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> not globally
[18:24] <john_700> pmj: okay
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> I'm looking at this from an application developers perspective, not as a user
[18:25] <Mord_> zykotick9: I use those commands sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[18:25] <granty> i'm connecting to internet using mobile dongle on ubuntu, then want to share that internet connection through wireless
[18:26] <zykotick9> Mord_: hopefully someone else can assist.  i'm not getting involved with cutting edge PPA installed stuff.  good luck.
[18:26] <cero> hi
[18:26] <granty> i can create an adhoc connection, but internet does not get shared, i've followed a few online tutorial about how share the connection and stuff
[18:26] <cero> yes
[18:27] <granty> any ideas, pls :'(
[18:27] <ActionParsnip> pmjdebruijn: myunity can tweak it I believe
[18:27] <ratcheer> granty: Won't that cost you a fortune in mobile data fees?
[18:27] <Mord_> zykotick9: maybe can you help how to restore system?
[18:27] <ActionParsnip> !ics | granty
[18:27] <zykotick9> !ppa-purge | Mord_
[18:27] <granty> i'm on a special contract, and i live in South Africa, where mobile internet is cheaper than landline :(
[18:27] <ActionParsnip> granty: so?
[18:28] <ActionParsnip> granty: the link I gave will let you set it up...
[18:28] <granty> thats the tutorial i followed
[18:28] <Kabiigon> with 4gb of ram and core 2 duo is reccomended ubuntu 32 or ubuntu 64
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> ActionParsnip: AFAIK MyUnity only does global settings
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> pmjdebruijn: its the first ta thatopens
[18:29] <afeijo> Kabiigon, not sure if 32 bits can get the whole 4gb RAM... can it, guys?
[18:29] <Mord_> ubottu: can you tell me what i need to choose in recovery mode resume, fsck remount or root?
[18:30] <zykotick9> Kabiigon: 4GB is kinda boarderline, it's up to you.  With straight 32 it will only see 3.2GB, and with 32PAE you get a "hack" so the system can use all 4GB, but processes are still limited.
[18:30] <afeijo> lol ubottu
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: with PAE you can access up to 64Gb RAM
[18:30] <afeijo> hmmm indeed, I used PAE with win2003 once
[18:30] <Kabiigon> zykotick9, so go with 64
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> Mord_: recovery mode, then select root
[18:30] <zykotick9> Kabiigon: SOME things are easier with 32bit
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: its a bit of a hack but does work
[18:31] <Kabiigon> zykotick9, can ubuntu 64 run 32 bit apps
[18:31] <cero> alguien habla espa?ol
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> !es
[18:31] <afeijo> ActionParsnip, with some performance loss?
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> Kabiigon: yes but the packages get messy
[18:31] <zykotick9> Kabiigon: 98% or so... ;)
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: slightly, yes
[18:31] <afeijo> my office machine is 3 years old, damn slow piece of crap (sorry heheh)
[18:32] <cero> alguien habla espa?ol
[18:32] <afeijo> my virtualizations there bleed to run
[18:32] <afeijo> cero, ñ
[18:32] <zykotick9> !es | cero
[18:32] <afeijo> !Pt
[18:32] <Kabiigon> if im not going to be doing 64bit heavy processing plus this build is for my dad not my self i should just stick with 32
[18:32] <afeijo> hehehe cool
[18:33] <Kabiigon> im installing lion on the machine as well
[18:33] <zykotick9> Kabiigon: if you have no "need" for 64bit, use 32
[18:33] <afeijo> the portuguese version is not that well writen, but ok
[18:33] <zykotick9> Kabiigon: apple lion?
[18:33] <Kabiigon> yes apple lion
[18:34] <Kabiigon> zykotick9, yes
[18:35] <gadien> zykotick9, ok ty
[18:35] <Kabiigon> zykotick9, should I be going with 11.10 or beta 2
[18:37] <test1> How can I resize desktop icons with XFCE ?
[18:37] <test1> I tried to follow a guide but it doesn't work
[18:38] <zykotick9> !doesntwork | test1
[18:38] <test1> xD
[18:38] <test1> zykotick9: It seems that nothing changed
[18:39] <granty> hey, i followed that tutorial: "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing"
[18:39] <zykotick9> test1: sorry i don't use xfce much (i do in some vms, but don't customize them much) - so i'm no help.  I just find !doesntwork hilarious and love sending it ;)
[18:39] <granty> and still can't share my internet connection over wireless
[18:40] <test1> LOL zykotick9
[18:41] <granty> when i look at connection information properties: internet hardware interface is GSM (ttyUSB0)
[18:41] <liu_> ...
[18:41] <granty> and wireless connection is 802.11 WiFi (eth2)
[18:42] <mirko1> test1: actually it's in the Settings Manager, under Desktop -> Icons -> Icon Size. didn't that work for you?
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> granty: what can you do / not do
[18:42] <gadien> I think there may be a problem with my screen resolution... I think some programs are displaying the ok or apply button below the clickable interface. my screen is a 10" eeepc 1000H and display settings only lets me change the width of the screen.. can I change height?
[18:43] <test1> lol mirko1 I was following the guide for panel icons! O.O you've made me realize that
[18:43] <test1> thx
[18:44] <granty> hey, my broadband dongle connects my laptop to the internet fine
[18:44] <granty> i can setup an ad-hoc wireless network connection that say my Iphone or other laptop can connect to
[18:44] <granty> but the internet is not shared over wireless
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> granty: ok, after setting things up can the sharing system still access the web?
[18:46] <Gnea> !usbfs
[18:46] <Gnea> !usb
[18:46] <Gnea> well this is annoying... anyone know why usbfs was removed from ubuntu?
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> granty: can the system accessing the web over the wifi ping the sharing system ok?
[18:47] <ActionParsnip> granty: can the system accessing the shared connection ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[18:47] <granty> i'm connecting on iphone
[18:47] <granty> not sure how to ping from the iphone
[18:47] <ActionParsnip> granty: via the shared wifi?
[18:48] <granty> iphone is connected to the shared iphone
[18:48] <Gnea> oh, udev.... lame
[18:49] <roasted> Anybody know what terminal command you run to figure out what type of touchpad you have?
[18:49] <granty> so must i try ping my iphone? from my laptop sharing the internet connection?
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> granty: ok so is there a PC going to connect to the shared 3G connection.
[18:49] <Raliegh> Would anyone happen to know how to setup a PID file with this start/stop/restart script for Monit monitoring purposes? http://pastebin.com/4VJraAdc
[18:49] <granty> ActionParsnip: yes
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> granty: then get that hooked up and test stuff
[18:49] <zykotick9> roasted: "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" taken from http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Determining_the_type_of_Touchpad
[18:50] <Gnea> !kernel
[18:50] <zykotick9> !msgthebot > Gnea
[18:51] <Gnea> zykotick9: not necessary, but thanks
[18:52] <zykotick9> Gnea: after !usbfs, !usb, !kernel within 5 minutes, i'd say it is necessary ;)
[18:52] <Gnea> zykotick9: your attitude, however, is not. welcome to /ignore ;)
[18:53] <arkiver> Hello I am using ubuntu11.10, and i've observed a weird thing, whenever i use chrome and my gmail account is open, my ubuntu just freezes
[18:53] <arkiver> what could be the reason ?
[18:53] <arkiver> Google chrome browser I meant
[18:53] <Gnea> arkiver: does it happen with firefox?
[18:54] <miller> hey guys
[18:54] <Chaser> Raliegh, you can use start-stop-daemon to start a program and write pid file for monit
[18:54] <arkiver> Gnea: well it always used to freeze and i just realized that whenever it happens google chrome is always running with my gmail account open in it.
[18:54] <arkiver> I'm going to use firefox now
[18:54] <arkiver> and give it a try
[18:54] <miller> i have been searching this through the documentation but didn't find anything... is it possible to map any application to use swap rather than using physical memory?
[18:55] <Gnea> arkiver: see if you can duplicate it. if you can't, it maybe necessary to update chrome.
[18:57] <arkiver> Gnea: can you tell me what do you mean by duplicating it ?
[18:57] <tom1mt> join #modilabs
[18:58] <granty> ActionParsnip: ok the PC with the internet connection say "my Dell laptop" cannot seem to ping the other PC ( in this case my Iphones wireless ) connected via the ad-hoc wireless ( the wireless connection setup on my Dell Laptop ) connection
[18:58] <granty> ActionParsnip: is say Destination Host Unreachable
[18:58] <granty> ActionParsnip: even though my Iphone says its connected to my Dell laptops wireless fine
[18:59] <Gnea> arkiver: see if firefox freezes, too
[19:00] <granty> ActionParsnip: "Dell Laptop" ( has internet connection ) -> trying share through ad-hoc wireless -> connecting to ad-hoc wireless with iphone ( i want to use the internet connection available on my dell laptop on my Iphone, through the wireless )
[19:02] <granty> ActionParsnip: sorry if i'm struggling to follow your advice
[19:04] <granty> ActionParsnip: so i'm failing to ping my iphone connected to my dell laptop :(
[19:05] <granty> i've connected my iphone to wireless routers a couple of times, and the internet works fine, but can't seem to create an ad-hoc wireless connection on Ubuntu to do the same job :'(
[19:06] <roasted> hello!
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> granty: if you run:   echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf     on the system accessing the shared connection, do you get web access?
[19:07] <mirko1> miller: I could be wrong, but I really doubt that this is possible. swap isn't some sort of functionally equivalent to RAM. afterall, any program *needs* in RAM to do anything, you cannot run programs "in the swap space". what are you trying to do?
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> granty: if you cannot ping the sharing system then your issue is a bit more fundamental, try pinging by IP rather than name
[19:08] <Sorinan> My system doesn't boot anymore at 3.2.0-22 (it doesn't ask for root partition crypt password), while it boots normally with 3.2.0-21. What can I do?
[19:08] <mirko1> miller:  *needs*  to be in RAM i meant
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> Sorinan: ask in #ubuntu+1 for precise support
[19:08] <x_chr> Hi. I'm having a problem with my DVD drive. It seems to be at a fairly low level. The drive will read CDs and burnt DVD-Rs with Data on them. However, it won't read DVD-Rs formatted as DVDS (with a VIDEO_TS folder) or commercial DVDs. Attempting to mount gives a "no medium found" error, though the drive shows up in the disk utility UI. Thanks for any suggestions.
[19:09] <miller> mirko1, i have solr and memcached working on my development machine which has 8gb but when i need to run both of them fully for testing. everything starts hanging
[19:09] <Sorinan> ActionParsnip, that you!
[19:09] <Sorinan> thank you*
[19:09] <miller> mirko1, getting  hard to work with... i wanna force solr at least to use swap area as memory
[19:10] <zykotick9> x_chr: you don't mount (video)DVDs, you play them.  see "/msg ubottu dvd" if you haven't added commercial DVD playback yet.
[19:10] <granty> ActionParsnip: i am trying to ping by IP, that seems not to work
[19:11] <granty> should i try use static IP on the system connecting to the wireless?
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> granty: then you may need to set the IP on the system accessing the shared connection. There is no DHCP server
[19:11] <granty> ActionParsnip: what do i set it to?
[19:12] <granty> ActionParsnip: my ad hoc wireless connection is using: <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> granty: the same IP as the wireless device on the sharing system, just change the last number of the IP
[19:12] <x_chr> zykotick9: I've done all that, no luck. Even if I lacked those libraries, wouldn't the fact that I can't even see the data, or that my system seems to deny the existence of any disc, imply that it's something lower?
[19:13] <mirko1> miller: I  don't know about solr or memcached but I guess they have some sort of RAM usage configuration, or a way to keep certain parts in RAM and others on the disk. I suggest to ask the appropriate experts for these software
[19:13] <granty> ActionParsnip: ok, i'll use the same Subnet Mask, but then what should my Router setting be?
[19:13] <zykotick9> x_chr: maybe?  sorry i'm actually leaving so can't help right now.
[19:13] <x_chr> zykotick9: That's alright. Thanks!
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> granty: yes, same subnet, and set the internal IP address of the sharing system as the default gateway
[19:14] <MohammadSyria> السلام عليكم
[19:14] <x_chr> If anyone else has suggestions for mt DVD drive issues (see above) - I'm all ears.
[19:14] <miller> mirko1, it is not related these applications... i wanna push apps using physical memory heavily to use swap  area
[19:14] <aoeui`>  /bye
[19:15] <aoeui`> eo
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> x_chr: what media players have you tried?
[19:15] <roasted> Question - if I want to remastersys my Ubuntu install, am I to do it on a livecd or can I do it when booted up to the actual system?
[19:15] <x_chr> ActionParsnip: Really just vlc.
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> roasted: do it in an inistalled OS and use the LiveCD to customize
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> x_chr: so not many at all... not thougt to try any others?
[19:16] <roasted> ActionParsnip: not sure I understand. I installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but I'd like to snapshot it into a custom ISO and use that ISO to "reimage it" (if I dare say) when I get my SSD tomorrow.
[19:16] <granty> ActionParsnip: ok, how its throwing issues when i ping to my Iphone connected to wireless:
[19:16] <granty> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[19:16] <granty> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> roasted: not sure there dude, I've looked into that a few times
[19:16] <Lukan27_> Critical help needed: I was on my laptop on Skype (texting), playing some music and updating. Went out to make a cup of coffee, and suddenly BAM, black screen with underscore in top-left corner. Hard reset, and now it won't boot (stuck at loading animation). Error checking fails.
[19:16] <x_chr> ActionParsnip: What worries me is that putting in, for example, a data CD brings up a window showing me my files, and the disc is shown in the unity sidebar thing. With standard DVDs, no response.
[19:17] <roasted> ActionParsnip: I'm just not sure if I can run remastersys when I'm actually booted into the install I want to back up. The guides I'm reading don't say.
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> x_chr: did you install the DVD decoder?
[19:17] <x_chr> ActionParsnip: You mean libdvdread?
[19:17] <bekks> Lukan27_: Try booting a livecd and check wether your harddisc is still alive.
[19:18] <Fyodorovna> roasted, you backup from the OS
[19:18] <mirko1> miller: again, I doubt that this is possible. inactive, currently unused memory goes to the swap space anyway when the RAM gets full. if that's not the case, then the whole data of those software if constatly in use and I really don't see how you could force them into the swap space.  i guess there must be a way to tune the RAM/Disk usage for these software-
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> x_chr: sudo apt-get install libdvdread4; sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:18] <roasted> Fyodorovna: so I need to be booted in the actual OS I want to make an ISO of?
[19:18] <Lukan27_> @bekks: forgot to tell, I tried LiveUSB and worked well. HDD seems accessable, besides no permission to access.
[19:18] <Fyodorovna> roasted, yes the app runs from a terminal.
[19:18] <bekks> Lukan27_: No permissions to access?
[19:18] <roasted> Fyodorovna: appreciate it!
[19:19] <Fyodorovna> roasted, no problem have fun.
[19:19] <noel_g> I have a ubuntu box I am trying to SSH into.  I can ssh from 2 machines, but not from the third.  All using cygwin.  the auth.log on ubuntu shows this  http://pastie.org/3740666  any ideas what could be going on?
[19:19] <Lukan27_> bekks: Can't access the disk in LiveUSB, tells me I don't have permission. Properties says it's inaccesible.
[19:19] <miller> mirko1, here is something http://just-more-thoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/ubuntu-1104-memory-management-36.html
[19:20] <bekks> miller: If two boxes work, and the third doesnt, it isnt a problem of the ssh server you are trying to connect.
[19:20] <miller> bekks, it is not about ssh
[19:20] <miller> bekks, it is about manipulating memory usage of the applications & system
[19:21] <bekks> miller: Sorry, tabfail. :) I wanted to talk to noel_g :)
[19:21] <miller> bekks, sure no problem
[19:22] <noel_g> bekks yes, I figured, but i dont know where to start looking on the third box.  was hoping someone could determine what may be going on based on the log
[19:22] <bekks> Lukan27_: Did you try mounting the filesystems - in a terminal?
[19:22] <Defusal_> hi everyone
[19:22] <Defusal_> is it possible to boot ubuntu off a flash drive but have it run completely in memory?
[19:23] <x_chr> ActionParsnip: Yep. done all that. Also installed a bunch of medibuntu stuff
[19:23] <Lukan27_> bekks: Don't know how, but I can go into the Live USB again..
[19:23] <Defusal_> is there a simple way to do this
[19:23] <bekks> Defusal_: Yes. No.
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> x_chr: try other players. Try gnome-mplayer
[19:23] <Defusal_> ok, thanks anyway.. sigh
[19:23] <Defusal_> i wish i knew what was wrong
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: you can install preload but it needs a reboot to apply. Puppylinux has a toram cheatcode
[19:24] <Defusal_> it could be the flash drive, it could be the laptop, it could be ubuntu itself
[19:24] <Defusal_> i just need the system to work
[19:24] <Defusal_> it basically idles forever
[19:24] <beaglebreath> anyone know how to "echo" ASCII characters in linux?  I want to do the equivelent to this BASIC statement CHR$(27) + CHR$(2) + CHR$(4)
[19:25] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, how much effort is installing preload?
[19:25] <x_chr> ActionParsnip: I'm unfortunately doing this all via ssh, but I will later.
[19:25] <Defusal_> parts of my xubuntu gui starts disappearing randomly on this system
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: you'll need to have persistence on the USB, you can then install it an reboot
[19:25] <Defusal_> like, first the top "gnome" menu
[19:25] <Defusal_> and later the titlebars of all windows
[19:25] <mirko1> miller: ahm, and? that link has just some low-level explations of the Linux memory system. what do you see there that could give you a way to force programs into swap (again, I don't think what you want is even possible)? really, I think you're on the wrong track, ask the expert for these software how to control the memory usage.
[19:26] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, im guessing you can't do that with a live ubuntu usb drive
[19:26] <Defusal_> sigh
[19:26] <miller> mirko1, ok, i wll try. thanks anyway
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: yes, that's what the persistance is for.....
[19:26] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, so you can?
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: 3rd time now, yes
[19:26] <Defusal_> the current live usb drive has persistance
[19:27] <m477__> hi do you know how from terminal switch to guest-user?
[19:27] <Defusal_> all my settings and stuff is still there after a reboot
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: then install preload and reboot, it will load the most used things to ram and make the OS much faster
[19:27] <andromech> hi
[19:27] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, uhm
[19:27] <Defusal_> thats not exactly what i meant
[19:27] <Defusal_> i don't want to load applications into ram
[19:27] <Defusal_> i want to load the OS itself
[19:27] <Defusal_> because the OS falls apart
[19:28] <Defusal_> which could be cause of the flash storage
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: it will load the most used libs. Did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[19:28] <Defusal_> or one of many other things
[19:28] <m477__> hi do you know how from terminal switch to guest-user?
[19:28] <andrew___> hello
[19:28] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, this worked fine for a year, before i was forced to reboot it a day ago, ever since then it has been giving issues
[19:28] <andromech> hello
[19:28] <Dr_willis_> guest user is special made on login to the guest user. not sure you can login as guest from terminal or console.
[19:28] <Lukan27_> bekks: I'm ready in the Live USB if you have the time to guide me through mounting..
[19:28] <Defusal_> all it needs to run is a single script, it has no monitor, keyboard or mouse
[19:29] <Defusal_> but parts of the OS keeps dying
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> Defusal_: sounds like the file system may be damaged then, you can fsck it in a different liveCD, or an installed Linux OS
[19:29] <Defusal_> sigh
[19:29] <andromech> so where exactly is this place and what are we discussing about
[19:29] <m477__> Dr_willis_: I want to switch from normal user to guest user by terminal if it is possible
[19:29] <Dr_willis_> m477__,  i dont think its possible.
[19:29] <bekks> Lukan27_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[19:29] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, what exactly must i run/
[19:29] <Dr_willis_> m477__,  it also may depend on what version of ubuntu you are using.
[19:30] <m477__> Dr_willis_: 10.04
[19:30] <Dr_willis_> m477__,  askubuntu.com might have some info on doing it.  11.xx and above use guest differntly then how 10.04 and below did i belive.
[19:30] <Defusal_> ActionParsnip, nevermind, i'll figure it out
[19:30] <Defusal_> thanks
[19:31] <L3mce> Defusal_ what filesystem is it? ext2,3 xfs...
[19:32] <Defusal_> L3mce, can't remember
[19:32] <andromech> i have trouble with hardware can anyone help???
[19:33] <Lukan27_> bekks: It can't see the HDD now, I ran sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[19:33] <L3mce> fdisk -l
[19:33] <Defusal_> andromech, sure, try turning it off and on again
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> andromech: with some details, yes
[19:33] <bekks> Lukan27_: First ensure the first filesystem you are trying to mount really is sda1
[19:34] <bekks> Lukan27_: As L3mce just said, sudo fdisk -l
[19:34] <granty> ActionParsnip: route -n
[19:34] <granty> Kernel IP routing table
[19:34] <granty> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[19:34] <granty> <IP_ADDRESS>               <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 ppp0
[19:34] <granty> <IP_ADDRESS>        <IP_ADDRESS>             <IP_ADDRESS>   U     2      0        0 eth2
[19:34] <granty> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS> UH    0      0        0 ppp0
[19:34] <granty> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 pan1
[19:34] <FloodBot1> granty: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:34] <granty> sorry
[19:35] <Unknown0BC> Hi, is there a way to kill all open windows ?
[19:35] <Lukan27_> bekks: Nothing shows.
[19:35] <Unknown0BC> with one keyboard shortcut or something like that.
[19:35] <Lukan27_> bekks: wait
[19:35] <jstogin> I just mounted a second hard drive, but can't seem to get it to be used. Can someone help me?
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> Unknown0BC,  thats a bit extreme :)
[19:35] <andromech> nah wat i meant was i got 16 gb ram which is supposed to run at 1600 but i have to downclok it to 1333 7 7 7 21. can someone tell what i need to adjust to run at 1600 i mean NB etc and voltages too
[19:35] <granty> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/917887/
[19:36] <bekks> andromech: Thats not an Ubuntu issue
[19:36] <Lukan27_> bekks: Yes, it's sda1 (ID83 LINUX, biggest partition)
[19:36] <andromech> whoops soree ... wont ask anything more
[19:36] <Dr_willis_> andromech,  ask in #hardware perhaps.
[19:36] <bekks> Lukan27_: Just nopaste the output of fdisk -l to a pastebin service
[19:37] <andromech> k
[19:37] <ArchInsomniac> hello
[19:37] <onda> irc.420chan.org
[19:37] <saugkraft> Hallo
[19:37] <andromech> hello
[19:37] <Unknown0BC> hello
[19:38] <ArchInsomniac> I see a download for CD option for 12.04 but is there a USB version?
[19:38] <Lukan27_> bekks: I'm kinda writing from another computer, can't write all that..
[19:38] <andromech> so how do i get to #hardware ??
[19:38] <Fyodorovna> ArchInsomniac, you load the iso to a usb
[19:38] <bekks> Lukan27_: Then copy it
[19:38] <ArchInsomniac> oh sweet
[19:38] <ArchInsomniac> that's it? i thought i remembered that there was more to it than that
[19:39] <jstogin> can someone help me with a hard drive mounting question?
[19:39] <Mindkontrol> Sup everyone
[19:39] <Fyodorovna> ArchInsomniac, using a app to load like unetbootin or others, although that release is a hybrid can be loaded other ways as well.
[19:39] <Lukan27_> bekks: I can't connect to the net with it, and the only USB I got sits in the machine. So..
[19:39] <tankian> hello
[19:39] <badgoat> hi everybody
[19:40] <mirko1> !ask | jstogin
[19:40] <Lukan27_> bekks: But it is sda1
[19:40] <bekks> Lukan27_: Then whats the exact error when trying to mount it?
[19:40] <L3mce> Lukan27_: apt-get install pastebinit; fdisk -l | pastebinit
[19:40] <ArchInsomniac> woah
[19:40] <L3mce> well... dont put exactly that... it will ask for confirmation and mess up
[19:40] <ArchInsomniac> Ubuntu is way smaller that Mint
[19:41] <badgoat> there a new web site if you need a nice dual boot ! http://www.linux2deal.byethost4.com
[19:41] <bogdan> poszukuję pomocy odnośnie ubuntu
[19:41] <Lukan27_> bekks: It does mount without problems it says, but I can't find it anywhere, either though GUI or terminal
[19:41] <bekks> !pl | bogdan
[19:41] <L3mce> Lukan27_: apt-get -y install pastebinit; fdisk -l | pastebinit  would auto accept install of pastebinit then give you a url to post
[19:41] <jstogin> Question: I mounted a second hard drive to my Ubuntu virtual machine to free up space. This worked successfully, but I am still getting warnings telling me I'm running out of memory.
[19:41] <bekks> Lukan27_: You will find it where you mounted it.
[19:41] <bogdan> ok
[19:41] <bogdan> dzięki
[19:41] <jstogin> What can I do to fix this?
[19:41] <bekks> jstogin: memory isnt space.
[19:41] <Mindkontrol> Any must have apps or things to do after setting up Ubuntu as main OS?
[19:42] <x_chr> ActionParsnip: I feel confident the error is below the player level (and probably below user space). Any suggestions for lower-level debugging?
[19:42] <Mindkontrol> besides openssh
[19:42] <L3mce> Lukan27_: yeah... if you mounted it... it will be where you mounted it... if Ubu mounted it it will likely be under /media/severalcharacters
[19:43] <jstogin> bekks: if you can't tell, I'm new to this... I wish I knew how to ask the question
[19:43] <andromech> #hardware
[19:43] <mirko1> jstogin: what is the *exact* error massage you get?
[19:43] <jstogin> what can I do if I have an empty 16gb hard drive mounted in addition to an 8gb hard drive which is almost full?
[19:44] <jstogin> it's a notice that I am almost out of memory and that I should empty the trash.  Is there any reason I should wait until the end of the month (official release) instead of just getting it now?
[19:46] <cap10morgan> Anyone know why "ip addr" would report "eth0" for the IP bound to eth0:0 on one 11.10 host, but "eth0:0" on another (both with the same, latest version of the iproute package)?
[19:46] <Lukan27_> bekks: Ok, found it. But "permissions denied" when cd (home folder)
[19:46] <Mindkontrol> Guest_: Well, they are working on clearing out the bugs before release i am sure.
[19:46] <Dr_willis_> Guest_,  its still  buggy in some areas. depends on how ok you are with that.
[19:46] <bekks> Lukan27_: Because you mounted as root.
[19:46] <Mindkontrol> Guest_: So, getting it early, it may contain some of the things thehy will fix before release
[19:47] <jstogin> Mindkontrol: do I have to do that manually? (ie. is there no way to have ubuntu treat the second hd as a continuation fo the first?)
[19:47] <Lukan27_> bekks: ?
[19:47] <Guest_> One the end of the month rolls around the updates will bring me up to date as if I had waited (the real question I should have asked)?
[19:47] <Mindkontrol> jstogin: There is prolly some way to do that, but it would most likely require you to format and repartition anyways
[19:47] <Dr_willis_> thats a main feature of the apt package manager sysem Guest_  :)
[19:47] <bekks> Lukan27_: When using sudo, you are doing things as root. In this case, it has the effect that your user has no permissions. You dont need to access something with a graphical filebrowser.
[19:47] <Mindkontrol> jstogin: Have you signed up for Ubuntu One?
[19:48] <Mindkontrol> They give you 5g of cloud space i hear.
[19:48] <jstogin> Mindkontrol: I probably did a long time ago... should I try going there?
[19:48] <Lukan27_> bekks: Ok, how do I change it? sudo cd doesn't work either..
[19:49] <Mindkontrol> jstogin: Well, you could use the cloud space to send some of the crap that have on your main box.
[19:49] <Mindkontrol> or drive rather
[19:49] <bekks> Lukan27_: Then how did you mount it in the terminal without sudo?
[19:49] <bogdan> witam
[19:49] <bogdan> szukam pomocy
[19:49] <bogdan> odnośnie ubuntu
[19:50] <Lukan27_> bekks: Oh I did mount with sudo, but accessing folder doesn't give me access with either
[19:50] <test1> i. i installed xubuntu. great DE xfce!
[19:50] <test1> but I'd like to stretch the height of the items in the application menu
[19:50] <test1>  they're too short in height
[19:50] <bekks> Lukan27_: Then sudo works, since you mounted using sudo.
[19:50] <_Marcus> !pl | bogdan
[19:51] <Lukan27_> bekks: Yes, but I can't access the folder (homefolder)
[19:51] <Mindkontrol> jstogin: You could check the mnt folder to see if that is where your drive is
[19:51] <Guest_> Are the Ubuntu Forums the best place to read about getting started with Ubuntu for someone that has only a few weeks of experience with it?
[19:51] <jstogin> I can see it in /mnt/sdb1
[19:51] <Mindkontrol> jstogin: So then go to your home dir and find out what you have that is eating up your space
[19:51] <jstogin> and the disk analyzer tells me I have 16gb of free space
[19:51] <Mindkontrol> games, movies, music, and move that shit over to the new drive
[19:52] <_Marcus> Mindkontrol: Watch the language please
[19:52] <Mindkontrol> jstogin: Yeah, on your 2nd drive, or you main / drive?
[19:52] <Mindkontrol> _Marcus: Sorry
[19:56] <Lukan27_> bekks: Still on it or? =)
[19:56] <bekks> Lukan27_: I am still waiting for the explanation why you cant use sudo for accessing it.
[19:58] <bogdan> jest ktoś z polski
[19:58] <bekks> !pl | bogdan
[19:58] <Lukan27_> bekks: Oh. I dunno! "sudo cd (homefolder)" gives "sudo: cd: command not found". Without sudo it says, bash: cd:(homefolder): Permission denied.
[20:00] <GremlynTab> I am about to do a clean install, but first I am partitioning my drive to separate /home
[20:00] <Guest_> Is the synaptic package manager no longer necessary? I haven't been using Linux for about three years.
[20:01] <bekks> Lukan27_: sudo ls -lha /your/wanted/folder/
[20:01] <bekks> cd isnt a command, it is a shell builtin.
[20:01] <GremlynTab> do I assume directly that once I have created the new partition for the OS (35GB for now) that I can just delete everything from the old position except /home?
[20:02] <GremlynTab> assume correctly*
[20:02] <GremlynTab> stupid autocorrect not understanding technical words...
[20:02] <Lukan27_> bekks: yes and? (folder is encrypted?)
[20:03] <fernando_> Hello. Does Ubuntu have a hardware list of detected hardware on my computer similar to Windows Device Manager?
[20:03] <bekks> Lukan27_: Do you see valuable output?
[20:03] <yeats> GremlynTab: I wouldn't delete anything you can't easily replace unless I had backups (just in general)
[20:03] <bekks> fernando_: lspci and lsusb
[20:03] <GremlynTab> lshw to
[20:03] <GremlynTab> too
[20:04] <Lukan27_> bekks: 2 sec
[20:04] <GremlynTab> lshw -html > hardware_info.html will give you a more readable output you can view in your browser
[20:05] <fernando_> How do I know if Ubuntu detects my webcam or not?
[20:05] <GremlynTab> USB webcam?
[20:05] <fernando_> no - built in monitor
[20:06] <GremlynTab> should be shown on lspci
[20:06] <GremlynTab> I think
[20:06] <Lukan27_> bekks: Ok, got the pastebin something
[20:07] <GremlynTab> hmm, no mine isn't
[20:08] <Lukan27_> bekks: paste.ubuntu.com/917918/
[20:09] <fernando_> What should I do if my webcam doesn't appear on lspci ?
[20:09] <GremlynTab> fernando, I was wrong, mine doesn't show there either it seems
[20:09] <GremlynTab> looking for it now
[20:09] <hypn0> fernando_, install camorama
[20:10] <mirko1> fernando_:, GremlynTab: don't know about webcams, but *which* webcam? in any case, lsusb should show some hardware IDs for which one can google.
[20:10] <tankian> que tal "mirkol:"
[20:11] <GremlynTab> fernando, try the lshw command
[20:12] <fernando_> Ok I did - it says "WARNING: you should run this program as super-user"
[20:12] <fernando_> now a list appears, what is it?
[20:12] <Xabster> a list of hardware
[20:13] <Lukan27_> bekks: You see it?
[20:14] <escapeplan> Moarning guise :D
[20:14] <GremlynTab> yeats, I have backed up the relevant pieces, assuming I don't screw up and delete /home
[20:15] <yeats> GremlynTab: gotcha
[20:15]  * yeats came in after you'd probably been asking about it so doesn't know the full context
[20:16] <tankian> "/mirkol"
[20:16] <GremlynTab> just partitioning the drive and doing a fresh install on a new 35GB partition, wanting to keep home separate so it's easier to do fresh installs in the future
[20:18] <yeats> GremlynTab: then yes, theoretically, deleting all but /home would do accomplish what you're after
[20:18] <GremlynTab> ok perfect
[20:19] <Lukan27_> !ask Anyone, I can't access my primary HDD through LiveUSB (sudo cd (tree)) returns Permission denied.
[20:19] <un\x> lol
[20:21] <fernando_> Does the lshw command show all the detected hardware or installed hardware?
[20:21] <khusyaini> hi there
[20:22] <Acolyte192> Hi, people. I'd like to ask if anyone has a Modula-2 compiler on their Ubuntu installations.
[20:22] <khusyaini> :)
[20:23] <GremlynTab> Fernando, detected hardware
[20:24] <L3mce> fernando_: detected... lspci displays most of what you want at quick glance, with various options (eg -v -nn)
[20:24] <mirko1> Lukan27_: i didn't read the previous posts. what exactly are you trying to do. from your last post it seems you're trying to access a hdd partition from a livecd, so what's the problem. why did you mount per commandline and not per nautilus (then it shoudl be accessible in /media/{label-or-uuid}.
[20:25] <L3mce> hold on that Lukan27_
[20:25] <L3mce> if you are attempting to fsck you do NOT want to mount it
[20:25] <fernando_> ah ok
[20:25] <L3mce> you will type fdisk -l to identify it
[20:26] <Lukan27_> mirko: Thanks for reply, Ubuntu fucked up (can't boot all of sudden) so wanna save my data, hence LiveUSB, I can see the folder from HDD through CLI, but when acessing it's permission denied.
[20:26] <L3mce> watch language in here
[20:26] <Galvatron> Lukan27_	: Do it as root
[20:26] <bekks> Lukan27_: sudo ls -lha IS accessing the data, and it works, as you told us.
[20:27] <Lukan27_> L3mce: I'm not fsck'ing.
[20:27] <L3mce> then, as you have been trying to mount it, type umount -lf /dev/XXXX... then depending on WHAT its filesys is... you will want to run fsck to recover whatever has been hosed.
[20:27] <Lukan27_> bekks: I saying to you, I can't access my homefolder or anything under it!
[20:28] <L3mce> Lukan27_: the likely problem will be likely solved with fsck... so you probably do
[20:28] <bekks> Lukan27_: sudo ls -lha /the/folder/you/want/to/access
[20:28] <L3mce> but first you need to know WHAT the fs is.
[20:29] <Lukan27_> bekks: Which gave the result I pastebinned'
[20:29] <Lukan27_> L3mce: fsck does not work
[20:29] <L3mce> you must first identify the fs you are trying to fsck
[20:29] <L3mce> and send options.
[20:29] <L3mce> or use e2fsck if it is ext2
[20:30] <starlyle> Wondering if someone could figure out why ubuntu on boot from cd produces this error?  Bug: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer...and ends with udevd [104]: `/sbin/modprobe -bv pci....[174] terminated by signal 9 (killed)  ?  Thanks in advnace.
[20:30] <mirko1> Lukan27_: if you know how to mount an FS per CLI, do unmount it now and use nautilus (simply click on the FS in the Places list) then do what ever yo want to do. otherwise. if you're really sure you know what you are doing run "sudo su -" that will get you a full-blown root shell where you shoudl be able to do almost everything. (not advisable)
[20:30]  * L3mce loves e2fsck
[20:32] <L3mce> It is noteworthy that su does not carry a lot of env vars... as it is sort of a userless super shell
[20:32] <L3mce> well... the user is root obv
[20:32] <Lukan27_> L3mce: btw, LiveUSB fsck says no errors, but running from hdd says there is
[20:32] <unkn-error> hello! What is the name of ati ccc in ubuntu?
[20:32] <mirko1> starlyle: probably a hardware problem (defect or incomptiblity), hard to say without hardware details
[20:33] <L3mce> what is the FS Lukan27_?
[20:33] <L3mce> I was away if you said already
[20:33] <Galvatron> unkn-error: Most likely the same as in Windows
[20:33] <Lukan27_> mirko1: I'm not sure what FS is.
[20:33] <starlyle> thanks mirk01
[20:33] <L3mce> fsck -l will tell you
[20:34] <L3mce> eger
[20:34] <L3mce> no
[20:34] <Lukan27_> L3mce: Been there done that. =)
[20:34] <L3mce> sorry
[20:34] <unkn-error> Galvatron, I can't find it in synaptic, what repro do I need to have enabled? If only "propretary drivers for devices" is enabled, isn't enought?
[20:35] <L3mce> df -T Lukan27_
[20:36] <L3mce> under type
[20:37] <Lukan27_> I'm super root something now, and I'm inside my home folder, but I only see "Access-your-private-data.desktop"
[20:38] <L3mce> Lukan27_: I strongly recommend rebooting to livecd, and typing at terminal: sudo -s; df -T
[20:39] <Galvatron> unkn-error: The package name is fglrx-amdccccle
[20:39] <MordFustang> can anyone tell me how to activate mouse wheel when i push in for scrolling?
[20:39] <L3mce> this will tell you the FS type and based on size you can figure out which is the suspect drive... then you will give fsck.something based on that
[20:39] <unkn-error> Galvatron, Thank you!
[20:39] <mouse_> I updated my system about a week ago and since then the colors for youtube videos have been inverted or something.  Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[20:40] <Galvatron> mouse_: Updated which to which?
[20:40] <L3mce> mouse_: what are you using to view flash?
[20:40] <Lukan27_> L3mce: I am on liveCD (LiveUSB).. Yes, something comes up. What to look for?
[20:41] <mouse_> Galvatron, Oh sorry it was just updates for 10.04
[20:41] <mouse_> L3mce, Give me a second and let me look
[20:41] <L3mce> Lukan27_: if you type df -T, each avail partition will show up.
[20:41] <L3mce> mouse_: you would have specified it, chances are you are using adobe flash
[20:41] <Lukan27_> M3mce: Yes, it does. =) It's sda1
[20:41] <L3mce> ok.
[20:42] <L3mce> Lukan27_: umount /dev/sda1
[20:42] <L3mce> it probably isnt mounted
[20:42] <L3mce> but lets do it anyway
[20:42] <L3mce> now what does it say under "Type" for sda1
[20:42] <Lukan27_> L3mce: Device is busy
[20:42] <JamesJRH> Any Ubuntu pastebin admins here?
[20:43] <pikkachu> hi, I'm mounting ntfs partitions through udisks but I can't pass mount options of ntfs-3g, any clue?
[20:43] <L3mce> Lukan, I would, were I you, reboot to live.
[20:43] <mirko1> Lukan27_:  do a reboot and try again
[20:43] <Lukan27_> rebooting
[20:43] <Lukan27_> into LiveUSB
[20:44] <L3mce> Lukan27_: once rebooted, get into a terminal, type "sudo -s" without quotes.
[20:45] <L3mce> Lukan27_: then type "df -T" without quotes and tell me what it says about sda1. Presume anything in quotes is to be typed, and done so without the quotes unless otherwise specified
[20:45] <Acolyte192> Can anyone check on a make log I have and see what is wrong with it?
[20:45] <L3mce> pastebin it Acolyte192
[20:46] <Acolyte192> Alright
[20:46] <L3mce> !pastebinit | Acolyte192
[20:46] <mirko1> pikkachu:  from "man udisks": udisks --mount device_file [--mount-fstype fstype] [--mount-options options]
[20:46] <Acolyte192> Woops
[20:47] <Acolyte192> I didn't know that
[20:47] <Acolyte192> I already did it on the site
[20:47] <Acolyte192> Can I just send it to you privately?
[20:47] <guntbert> !enter | Acolyte192
[20:47] <Acolyte192> Sorry. xD
[20:48] <pikkachu> mirko1: try it and see
[20:48] <Lukan27_> L3mce: I can't find sda1 now..
[20:49] <Acolyte192> Some other time, guys. Thanks for your help so far.
[20:49] <L3mce> It is best to keep things in here Acolyte192, for YOUR benefit. If I say something wrong, someone will correct me.
[20:49] <L3mce> Lukan27_: can you pastebin the output of df -T
[20:49] <mirko1> pikkachu: see what? works fine here
[20:51] <Amaya|2> Hello again
[20:51] <Amaya|2> I was wondering if anybody could please tell me how I can put applications on the unity bar?
[20:51] <Amaya|2> Very noob I know
[20:51] <Lukan27_> L3mce: http://paste.ubuntu.com/917971/
[20:52] <skel> Amaya|2: for the most part your should be able to drag-n-drop from the applications lens or whatever thats called that pops up
[20:52] <mdk> Amaya ... do you mean onto the launcher, on the left?
[20:52] <yeats> Amaya|2: open the app, then right click on its icon and click "Keep in Launcher"
[20:52] <Amaya|2> mdk: yes
[20:53] <mdk> yeats got it right.
[20:53] <Amaya|2> yeats: thankyou
[20:53] <yeats> Amaya|2: happy to help
[20:53] <Amaya|2> skel: hello again :p
[20:53] <mdk> Open the app first, then you can do it.
[20:53] <skel> Amaya|2: heya :) had to drop off, catch a flight
[20:54] <mdk> Before you choose to "Keep in Launcher," you can also drag the icon around to change the order.
[20:54] <Amaya|2> I see no icon on Terminal
[20:54] <Amaya|2> It's just a box with a gray bar at the top
[20:54] <ikonia> Amaya|2: are you not using backtrack ?
[20:54] <Amaya|2> skel: you've flown in this time? :o
[20:54] <mdk> Well, I guess you can do that even after you choose to Keep in Launcher.
[20:55] <skel> Amaya|2: yeah, Raleight -> ATL. trying to get home to MKE
[20:55] <Amaya|2> ikonia: no, not yet, It's downloaded but I haven't installed it. You were here for the conversation earlier?
[20:55] <mdk> In the Dash, start type "Terminal," and you should see the icon appear.
[20:55] <Lukan27_> L3mce: Anything useful?
[20:55] <ikonia> Amaya|2: yes, apologies, I thought you said you where using backtrack
[20:56] <Amaya|2> ikonia: It's ok, I appreciate you taking notice. I will do it shortly I hope
[20:56] <L3mce> sorry... other support issue... one moment Lukan27_
[20:56] <Amaya|2> Ok, I clicked 'Dash Home', typed in terminal and it came up with two other items
[20:56] <Amaya|2> I right clighted the icon and boom, the dash home shuts down and terminal opens
[20:56] <mdk> Amaya: just choose "Terminal"
[20:57] <Amaya|2> This is why I had to come on chat
[20:57] <pikkachu> mirko1: what ntfs-3g option did you pass?
[20:57] <skel> Amaya|2: once terminal is open you should see an icon in the launch bar now
[20:57] <Amaya|2> no...
[20:57] <TRAVISg> testing download servers takes roughly ...forever
[20:58] <mdk> Do you the terminal open?
[20:58] <Amaya|2> Yes
[20:58] <skel> Amaya|2: hmm fishy
[20:58] <mdk> Do you see an icon for Terminal in the launcher?
[20:58] <Amaya|2> no
[20:58] <pikkachu> hi, I'm mounting ntfs partitions through udisks but I can't pass mount options of ntfs-3g, any clue? --mount-options does not recognize the ntfs-3g options such as hide_hid_files or anything
[20:58] <mdk> Do you see the launcher?
[20:59] <Amaya|2> Yes, if by the vertical bar you mean launcher
[20:59] <mdk> Yep, that's the launcher.  What icons are there?
[21:00]  * tankian que
[21:00] <skel> pikkachu: I'm not familiar with udisks, did you mean to say udev or is udisks something else?
[21:01] <Amaya|2> Dash home, Home folder, Firefox, Libre Office writer/calc/impress, Ubuntu software centre, Ubuntu one, System settings, (Then there's a gap :\), KVIrc, Workspace Switcher, VBOXADDITIONS_4.1.10_76836
[21:01] <Seryth> Thanks martinp13 :)
[21:01] <skel> Amaya|2: if you go back to the terminal icon in the dash, does it let you click-hold and drag to launcher?
[21:02] <skel> I'm pretty sure thats how I did it when I was using unity
[21:02] <Amaya|2> skel: There's no icon appearing in the launcher whatsoever for Terminal
[21:02] <Amaya|2> i'm going to close the VM
[21:02] <Amaya|2> and reboot
[21:02] <skel> Amaya|2: no I mean where you originally launched terminal from
[21:03] <skel> Amaya|2: can you click-drag it to the launcher?
[21:03] <skel> maybe thats just my setup in gnome3
[21:03] <mdk> Amaya: Very odd.  I've never seen a running program not show up in the launcher.  You should be able to drag it from the Dash to the launcher, too, as skel mentoned.
[21:03] <mirko1> pikkachu: I'm on 10.04, it seems that all options mentioned in  ntfs-3g(1) are passed by the --mount-options option, I don't have any hide_hid_files options. maybe you look at obsolete/future references?
[21:03] <Amaya|2> Yes, I tried that before I came in here. I think that's why there's a gap in the launcher, but because it's so slow on a VM maybe it hasn't displayed properly. I'll see what happens when I boot it back up
[21:04] <mdk> A gap in the launcher?  What happens when you right-click on that gap?
[21:04] <skel> Amaya|2: on your vbox guest, how many cpu's did you specify?
[21:04] <pikkachu> skel: I don't know what you mean, but I mean udisks not something else
[21:05] <skel> pikkachu: ok, sorry. not really familiar with that.
[21:05] <Amaya|2> I left it at the default 512. I tried 1Gb but I kept getting the message for having low memory
[21:05] <pikkachu> mirko1: what option of ntfs-3g you used?
[21:05] <skel> Amaya|2: no, the cpu count, not memory :)
[21:05] <Amaya|2> You mean CPU used?
[21:05] <skel> Amaya|2: I'd set it to 1 if its not already
[21:05] <skel> Amaya|2: no, in virtualbox you can define how many virtual cpu's the guest has
[21:06] <Amaya|2> Yeah it has 1 CPU
[21:06] <skel> Amaya|2: I'm not sure what it does for default if you have multi-core, but there are a lot of issues with context-switching in virtualizing cpus
[21:06] <skel> Amaya|2: ah ok, well there goes that theory :-P
[21:06] <skel> Amaya|2: odd that its going so slow for the specs of your system
[21:07] <Amaya|2> I figured it was slow because I gave it 512 RAM
[21:07] <skel> Amaya|2: ah ok. did you also install vbox guest additions for the video support and local mounting etc?
[21:07] <Amaya|2> I installed the additions, although I don't know what they are
[21:08] <skel> Amaya|2: just additional agents to make integration work better and utilize your 3d graphics card if you have one
[21:08] <Amaya|2> I enabled 3D acceleration
[21:08] <mirko1> pikkachu: for testing I used "udisks --mount /dev/disk/by-label/Data --mount-options ro,umask=007"
[21:08] <Guest58738> Hello! I want to manually add a icon in "installed programs" in unity. The application is installed (python-script) but the Icon to start it is missing. How to add a new icon?
[21:09] <Lukan27_> L3mce: ...
[21:11] <JamesJRH> Where can I find an Ubuntu pastebin admin?
[21:11] <L3mce> Sorry Lukan27_: one moment please
[21:11] <NilBud> msg nickserv identify Falcon1
[21:12] <un\x> ROFL
[21:12] <Chris_0076> lol
[21:13] <L3mce> Lukan27_: parted /dev/sda print all
[21:13] <Amaya|2> skel: may I PM you?
[21:13] <JamesJRH> NilBud: Lol, you might want to change that now.