[04:38] <astraljava> ScottL: I'd be on the same line with Len, really improving performance now that the key piece, the low-latency kernel is there. Make it possible to rid all the other latency-causing bits and pieces, when-needed, if possible. That would rule.
[08:40] <ttoine> hi everybody
[08:41] <ttoine> ScottL, just to tell you I was very disapointed that Scribus is not included in Ubuntu Studio
[08:44] <ttoine> did you find any time to write a bit of your long plan ?
[11:50] <ttoine> scott-work, hi
[11:51] <astraljava> Hi ttoine!
[11:51] <scott-work> hi ttoine, i saw your comments and will reply but wanted to get a few things done first at work
[11:52] <scott-work> ttoine: will you still be online in about thirty minutes
[11:52] <scott-work> hi astraljava !
[11:52] <ttoine> of course, take your time
[11:52] <scott-work> hey, astraljava , what steps are left to implement the ubiquity plugin for 12.10?
[11:54] <astraljava> scott-work: I forget now, and since I'm away from that machine which has the code (maybe I pushed to LP something already, I can't check ATM) I would have to read it through.
[11:54] <astraljava> scott-work: Also I need to create the emulator environment first so that I can test it locally before asking for images to have it and test there instead, that's just not good practice.
[11:55] <astraljava> scott-work: That will take a while, as I'm moving officially only in 1.5 weeks, but then travelling on business for a bit.
[11:55] <ttoine> astraljava, how do you do that... you are always connected with the same nickname, wherever is the place you are and the device you use...
[11:55] <astraljava> scott-work: There is a chance though that I'll get the RAM on this laptop (MacBook Pro) doubled, in which case I can easily run Studio in Parallels.
[11:56] <astraljava> ttoine: I have my IRC running on a service provider's shell account.
[11:56] <astraljava> ttoine: screen + weechat, so if a machine has terminal (xterm/gnome-terminal/konsole etc.), I can do IRC. :)
[11:57] <ttoine> you are a true geek ;-)
[11:57] <astraljava> I'll take that as a compliment, but I'm still learning. :)
[11:57] <ttoine> of course it is a compliment ;-)
[12:11] <astraljava> Interesting news, cinelerra has done an awesome job re: license in the source files, and it might be possible to include it in the distros now. I will have to talk to Alessio about it.
[12:41] <ttoine> astraljava, good news
[13:22] <scott-work> ttoine: my apologies.  work became a little more exciting and demanding this morning
[13:22] <ttoine> no problem
[13:23] <scott-work> ttoine: i don't mean to sound indifferent or callous, but the simple answer the exclusion of scribus is because we lacked a documented work flow
[13:24] <ttoine> scott-work, scrybus is a huge thing to learn and explain
[13:24] <scott-work> ttoine: i made a decision that i wanted to give users a complete toolchain rather than collection or library of disparate applications
[13:24] <scott-work> ttoine: the goal would be to clearly identify a goal or task and then provide the documentation showing the applications needed for it
[13:24] <scott-work> not necessarily a HowTo for the application, but just documentation just to show that we can adequately provide the tools necessary
[13:25] <scott-work> ttoine: i should note that i am not against including scribus, on the contrary, i think it _should_ be included
[13:26] <scott-work> but i lacked the knowledge to include it and feel comfortable that i was not excluding other applications required to complete faciliate users in desktop publishing
[13:27] <ttoine> ok
[13:28] <ttoine> scott-work, speaking about missing application, is gparted again in the live dvd ? I didn't check the daily build
[13:41] <len> ttoine, yes it is now there.
[13:41] <ttoine> len, thanks
[13:42] <scott-work> ttoine: yes, i think astraljava had added it (or perhaps i did)
[13:42] <ttoine> scott-work, ubuntu is provinding a color management tool in the preferences
[13:43] <ttoine> This is not there in Ubuntu Studio
[13:43] <scott-work> ttoine: do you know enough about scribus and desktop publishing (or know someone who does) and would add some documentation to the work flows wiki page ?
[13:45] <len> ttoine, I think the other side to what is and isn't in US is that we are still figuring out the live DVD thing. For now we have lost the ability to just load the software for the workflows the user needs/wants.
[13:45] <ttoine> scott-work, as I said, Scribus is very heavy to use. But as there is no other way in Linux to generate cmyk documents, I use when a printing company don't want png or svg files...
[13:46] <ttoine> len, ok.
[13:47] <len> ttoine, I think we do want to have an application sort of like software center, but artist centered that will load unload US metas after the system install.
[13:51] <len> I personally, would like a meta that loads the normal desktop apps (office, games, etc) that we don't ship. I agree with not shipping these things, but for my use I need them.
[13:55] <ttoine> len, me too, and a lot of people too. That would be a good thing, but I guess that is not possible at the moment
[13:56] <len> ttoine, not for this release.  But there is nothing stopping someone from putting one together even if it is not branded.
[13:59] <scott-work> ttoine: re: color managment tool - i do not know what they are using but will look into it, but also we are shipping argyle and something else that i cannot remember currently
[14:01] <scott-work> len: i wanted to follow up with our conversation yesterday about improvements for next cycle
[14:01] <scott-work> len:  ubuntu studio is like water, it can take whatever shape is desired
[14:02] <scott-work> len: so i'm not worried about ubuntu studio
[14:02] <len> ttoine, After playing around with the synths in US I have found it is real easy to overload my system with only one synth being played by an external keyboard. I could see having a second system just for sound generation and would want no extra fluff.
[14:02] <ttoine> len, color management will be used by people in the graphics workflow
[14:02] <scott-work> len: but i would worry about you feeling upset if you spend a bunch of time creating something that ended up not being used later on
[14:03] <len> scott-work ok
[14:03] <scott-work> len: this is why i was expousing caution yesterday in what we do in the next cycle and making sure it has a vision behind it that supports future endeavours
[14:03] <len>  There is stuff that I do just so the idea can be seen. I think my workflow app is like that. I am thinking tcl/tk may not be the best way to do that.
[14:03]  * scott-work keeps getting pulled into meeting and might be making statements that really don't all tie together today :/
[14:04] <len> Anyway, I have to go to work now, bye bye
[14:04] <scott-work> len: i like the things i've seen so far from you, i have a list of other ideas i have that might spark other ideas from you as well, i would like to share them soon, after i organize it a little better, on the mailing list
[14:07] <scott-work> ttoine: i will download vanilla ubuntu and see about the colour management tool
[14:08] <ttoine> scott-work, ok. it is a very simple tool, but people who have a expensive screen or, just taking care about their graphics rendering can use it
[14:09] <scott-work> ttoine: do you know what application or tool name it is?
[14:10] <scott-work> i've been told to properly calibrate moniters you will need a piece of hardware or a physical chart with printed colour on it
[14:28] <ttoine> scott-work, actually, this is in the preferences manager of vanilla ubuntu
[14:29] <ttoine> scott-work, yes, true. But some monitor,  scanner and printers are calibrated by the manufacturer, and so a icc or icm file is provided
[14:31] <scott-work> okay
[14:31] <ttoine> of course, you can generate a profile if you have the hardware. That is why it is not very interessant to have argyle in US for every users
[14:32] <scott-work> when we added argyll we also included some package that supplied icc files as well, the delta between vanilla and ubuntu studio might not be too great in this aspect
[14:32] <ttoine> scott-work, for example, eizo monitors, or high ends epson printers
[14:32] <scott-work> hehe, the more i learn about stuff the more i realize i have more to learn :P
[14:33] <ttoine> scott-work, exactly the same to me
[14:33] <scott-work> :)
[14:33] <ttoine> scott-work, I have to create some communication stuff for my business (cards, flyers, etc...) but it is a mess to do it with free software
[14:34] <scott-work> ttoine: in what aspects?
[14:34] <ttoine> If I were rich, I would pay developper to add functionnalities to inkscape, instead of having to use scribus
[14:35] <ttoine> scott-work, a printing company want a cmjn document (pdf, jpg, tiff, eps, ...)
[14:35] <ttoine> gimp and inkscape can't manage to export in cmjn
[14:36] <ttoine> I just saw that Krita can work in native cmjn so I will have a look at it
[14:37] <ttoine> and what is worse, is that Inkscape interated color management and printing preview works in Windows and osX, but not in Linux...
[14:37] <ttoine> scott-work, there are other bugs with the menu, I just have to create a bug against ubuntu-menu ?
[14:40] <scott-work> ttoine:  against ubuntustudio-default-settings would be preferrable, please
[14:41] <scott-work> -default-settings is where the code for the menu is now located
[14:41] <ttoine> ok
[14:41] <scott-work> thanks :)
[14:41] <ttoine> sorry, i didn't remember, that's why I asked
[14:42] <astraljava> ttoine: Talk to knome, he knows something about business cards etc.
[14:42] <astraljava> Well I'm not sure he knows anything, but he does them nonetheless.
[14:42] <astraljava> :p
[14:45] <ttoine> astraljava, yes, he told me that he know well graphic stuff
[14:46] <ttoine> but this is not the same to do graphic stuff for screen or for printing
[14:47] <ttoine> It is very easy to create graphics in rgb mode (for screen) with Ubuntu. however, this is a real problem in cmyk
[14:48] <astraljava> ttoine: But you mentioned business cards, right? He does those, and other printed materials. Not just for computer screens.
[14:49] <ttoine> astraljava, ok, as soon as I see him online, I will speak with him about that problem
[14:49] <astraljava> ttoine: He's here right now. Just, you know, ping him with your question. :)
[14:50] <ttoine> knome, ping ? what is the way you use to generate a cmjn pdf for printing ?
[14:50] <ttoine> astraljava, knome is here but away, no ?
[15:28] <scott-work> i still need to send some PR out for ubuntu studio 12.04 LTS :/
[15:29] <ttoine> PR ?
[15:29] <scott-work> linux outlaws, reddit (maybe?), distrowatch, mailing list, some other places i can't hink of right now
[15:29] <scott-work> public relations
[15:29] <scott-work> publicize the release
[15:29] <ttoine> ok
[15:31] <astraljava> ttoine: Well, lots of us keep the session open, so we may appear to be online, but we're away from keyboard, which is what seems to be the case here. He'll still respond to you when he comes back, so that's why leaving "messages" is always better than just plain pinging.
[15:32] <ttoine> astraljava, ok
[15:38] <astraljava> And by messages here I meant prefixing with the nick, but still  in the channel, not a direct /msg or /query.
[15:38] <astraljava> Probably you knew what I meant, but just making sure.
[15:38] <astraljava> Alright, starving now, so back later.
[20:01] <len> ttoine, there are actually quite a few things that need to be done to the menu. I think we are stuck with it for 12.04 rel. but I would think it would be ok to backport fixes. We need to go through a lot of the software we don't ship and make sure they would end up in the right place on the menu should a user install them later.
[20:02] <ttoine> len, ok. My bug report was not intended to be fixed asap, but more in the aim to be noticed
[20:02] <len> I would also like to add whatever stuff is needed so that it would also work in a gnome session.
[20:03] <len> ttoine I was not trying to discourage you from a bug report/fix. just mentioning there is a lot to do.
[20:04] <ttoine> len, I know that ;-)
[20:04] <ttoine> that's why LP can manage priorities
[20:05] <len> I tried installing gnome 3 with the new shell to try out... it didn't work for me I just got the same as gnome classic... but I did notice that the menu has all the sound stuff in one menu... very hard to find anything.
[20:08] <micahg> len: you need to install the gnome-shell for package for the shell
[20:14] <scott-work> ttoine: i actually intended those (non-audio) packages within the video menu, they are part of the video work flow
[20:14] <scott-work> this doesn't make it "right", but it was intended nonetheless :P
[20:14] <len> micahg, I did. I ended up with three new session choices: Gnome, classic and classic 2d
[20:15] <len> I figured the Gnome session should have had shell, but it looked like the classic.
[20:16] <len> It may be something to do with my nvidia card which is running the free driver.
[20:16] <len> I think gnome shell requires hardware graphics my driver may not support.
[20:17] <micahg> yes, that's possible
[20:17] <micahg> it's like unity 3D in that regard
[20:19] <len> The web page I was just looking at seems to say that too. No big deal, it was more a curiosity thing than anything else.
[20:21] <len> I have never been much of a graphics person... I got the (old) card I did because it was cheap at the time.
[20:59] <ttoine> len, with the free driver gnome shell should work
[21:02] <len> I will try again... later.
[22:02] <astraljava> ScottL: Will you take care of bug #984970? I promise I'll study the menu structure for the next cycle. :)
[22:15] <astraljava> ScottL: I'll also give bug #966539 to you gladly.
[22:27] <len> micahg, gnome settings->details->graphics says "driver unknown", "experience fallback"


[00:51] <callmepk> morning
[05:45] <jibel> Good morning
[05:53] <duflu> Morning jibel
[05:57] <jibel> Hi duflu
[06:22] <callmepk> hi jibel
[06:25] <jibel> Hi callmepk
[07:17] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:18] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:18] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:25] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[07:26] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:03] <didrocks> good morning
[08:08] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:10] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:28] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:38] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[09:05] <Laney> yo yo
[09:13] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:14] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:15] <Laney> lut duflu & didrocks
[09:15] <Laney> quite frosty here today ❄
[11:02] <Laney> jibel: any more stuff for ubiquity?
[11:37] <jibel> Laney, nothing urgent.
[11:37] <jibel> Laney, however, I'd like your feedback on this mp https://code.launchpad.net/~mfo/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/390637
[11:37] <Laney> k, I will upload later
[11:38] <Laney> oh yeah that
[11:40] <jibel> I don't really like this idea of having to seed "please consider this page in auto mode", but the page is just enabled for automatic mode, then it'll ask a new question once SRUed for automated installations and will require a change to the existing preseeds
[14:45] <luna_> Hello! Are we having a translators meeting in 15 minutes? as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue664 says today or not ?
[14:46] <ItzSwirlz> For all I know sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:46] <ItzSwirlz> Because IRC I can't join #ubuntu-meeting anymore because I'm banned from it and sent to #fix_your_connection
[14:47] <luna_> alrighty, oh wierd it works for me
[14:48] <ItzSwirlz> luna_ only an admin can add +b flag to me. It happened during someone's MOTU application
[14:48] <luna_> ouch
[14:49] <ItzSwirlz> it's alright, i'll have it solved soon :)
[15:13] <luna_> yep its today
[16:01] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[16:02] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[16:02] <hellsworth> hey there oSoMoN !
[16:02] <Wimpress> o/ hellsworth
[16:02] <hellsworth> \o Wimpress
[16:27] <GunnarHj> Laney: Looks like Debian was more picky about the key id mix-up than we hoped.
[16:31] <Laney> I got the mail.
[16:39] <GunnarHj> :(
[16:54] <Laney> Hopefully that's better!
[17:34] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yeah.. Guess Seb needs to do something similar.
[17:40] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[17:53] <Laney> jibel: RikMills: I'll do the upload tomorrow and think about that MR, sorry I was too busy thinking about influxdb
[17:53] <Laney> what a life


[00:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-touch-session). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xen
[00:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 QA Signoff: Approved
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[09:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity8, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/libqtdbusmock, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components)
[10:10] <tsdgeos> vigo: great catch with yesterdays silo for pkexec-untiy8
[10:10] <tsdgeos> sorry i failed so badly :/
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2234 QA Signoff:
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[10:10] <tsdgeos> vigo: i'm repurposing the silo to basically the compile fix on zesty
[10:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
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[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2234 Successfully built
[10:39] <vigo> tsdgeos, no worries! :)
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Preparing packages
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[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Preparing packages
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/unity-api). Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 QA Signoff: Approved
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[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 QA Signoff: Approved
[12:14] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[12:14] <jgdx> rvr, pong
[12:15] <rvr> jgdx: Silo 2194
[12:15] <rvr> jgdx: The implementation is different to the design spec
[12:17] <jgdx> rvr, how so?
[12:17] <oSoMoN> rhuddie, sbalda: IIRC the QA team has some autopilot integration tests for touch devices that make use of the CPOs exposed by webbrowser-app, is that correct?
[12:18] <rvr> jgdx: I see a single switch instead of three options with icons
[12:19] <rhuddie> oSoMoN, Hi, yes, there are some webbrowser tests that use those CPOs
[12:19] <oSoMoN> rhuddie, can you point me to those tests, please?
[12:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Successfully built
[12:20] <jgdx> rvr, yeah, those things left out are not implemented by unity8 currently
[12:20] <rhuddie> oSoMoN, sure. the tests themselves are here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-tests/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_system_tests/tests/test_with_webbrowser.py
[12:21] <jgdx> rvr, I should have mentioned that divergence from the spec, I apologize.
[12:22] <jgdx> it's also not something unity8 can implement currently, because it hinges on the multi monitor story (IIRC)
[12:22] <rvr> jgdx: Ok
[12:22] <rhuddie> oSoMoN, we have some additional CPO helpers which inherit from the upstream CPOs here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-tests/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_system_tests/helpers/webbrowser/_cpo.py
[12:22] <oSoMoN> rhuddie, thanks!
[12:24] <rvr> jgdx: Silo approved :)
[12:24] <jgdx> rvr, thank you!
[12:24] <oSoMoN> rhuddie, but those helpers don’t actually subclass the helpers bundled by webbrowser-app-autopilot, they re-implement them, right?
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2194 QA Signoff: Approved
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity8, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/libqtdbusmock, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components)
[12:27] <rhuddie> oSoMoN, right, we're removing some of the upstream dependencies currently, the webbrowser app updates have just been done.
[12:27] <oSoMoN> rhuddie, that’s good, because I’m in the process of getting rid of autopilot tests for webbrowser-app (rewriting them as QML tests)
[12:28] <oSoMoN> that means I can actually remove the CPOs too
[12:29] <rhuddie> oSoMoN, that's good timing then, it shouldn't have any impact on these tests
[12:31] <vigo> tsdgeos, ping
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Publishing packages
[12:43] <jgdx> sil2100, hey, re: 2194, why is the u-themes diff so large?
[12:44] <sil2100> jgdx: hey! Let me take a look
[12:44] <jgdx> thx
[12:47] <sil2100> jgdx: hard to say, it seems that the ubuntu-themes in the overlay wasn't upgraded since long for vivid and xenial
[12:48] <sil2100> jgdx: I guess it was released straight to the archive usually, as there's a newer one in xenial-updates than in the overlay
[12:48] <sil2100> hm
[12:48] <sil2100> Or rather even different
[12:50] <sil2100> jgdx: did you contact the ubuntu-themes landers regarding releases of those? I think they never really triple-landed these packages in Bileto
[12:51] <seb128> the landing were desktop oriented
[12:51] <seb128> u7/gtk desktop rather
[12:51] <jgdx> Laney, re: landing u-themes, can it be triple landed?
[12:51] <seb128> so landers probably didn't think it was worth trying to land to old releases
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Preparing packages
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Proposed pocket (zesty/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-service, zesty/camera-app, zesty/dialer-app, zesty/gallery-app, zesty/history-service, zesty/mediaplayer-app, zesty/messaging-app). Release pocket (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/address-book-service, vivid/camera-app, vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gallery-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/messaging-app, xenial/addre
[12:57] <seb128> jgdx, why does it need special ppa versions? can't the fixes just be SRUed to xenial?
[12:57] <jgdx> seb128, I don't know what that means, sorry.
[12:57] <jgdx> or what it entails
[12:58] <seb128> jgdx, those "triple landing" at not standard ubuntu process and for special cases
[12:58] <seb128> trying to rely on ubuntu maintainer to know them/play by those rule has its limitations
[12:58] <seb128> at->are
[12:59] <seb128> if you have bugfixes that could go through a normal SRU I would recommend doing that rather than diverging in a ppa which leads to issues like the one you describe
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/address-book-service, zesty/history-service, zesty/indicator-printers, zesty/mediaplayer-app). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/h
[12:59] <jgdx> seb128, so I'm landing this Launcher panel in USS, which currently needs to land in the vivid overlay, which means the u-themes deb needs to go into vivid overlay. And triple landings is what usually is desired.
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/mediaplayer-app). Successfully built (xenial/mediaplayer-app)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Preparing packages
[13:01] <jgdx> well, it has to go into xenial+overlay too, come to think of it
[13:01] <seb128> why?
[13:01] <seb128> xenial is an actively maintained Ubuntu serie, any reason you couldn't get the changes as a SRU in Ubuntu?
[13:01] <jgdx> we're building the u8 session snap on xenial+overlay, and the Launcher panel is very much desired there
[13:02] <seb128> I guess xenial+overlay is based on Ubuntu xenial?
[13:02] <seb128> so an official SRU would benefit it as well?
[13:02] <jgdx> i wouldn't say this is an sru
[13:03] <jgdx> it doesn't assume a low risk of regression
[13:03] <seb128> hum, k
[13:03] <jgdx> due to time it was decided to skip some important unit tests, e.g.
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 QA Signoff:
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/dialer-app, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-app). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenia
[13:05] <jgdx> well, it's an SRU for u-themes
[13:05] <jgdx> but not for USS
[13:05] <seb128> right, I was speaking about ubuntu-themes only
[13:06] <seb128> that's the component you have a diff one right?
[13:06] <seb128> uss is probably on triple landings
[13:06] <jgdx> seb128, yeah 2 mio line diff
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/libqtdbusmock, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components)
[13:09] <jgdx> trainguards: what's the recommended way forward here? silo 2194 might need to drop u-themes and land in parallel with an SRU for it.
[13:10] <jgdx> sru for vivid and xenial
[13:10] <seb128> jgdx, anyway I was just trying to understand the situation, but it likely got off triple landing because that's not a standard Ubuntu process and overhead for normal-distro-team people when doing changes
[13:13] <xnox> jgdx, is there a conflict? ubuntu-themes looks harmless enough to just land as is? or is there a conflicting side-sru uploaded for ubuntu-themes behind 2194's back?
[13:13]  * xnox would just land 2194 as is tbh...
[13:14] <jgdx> xnox, not that I am aware, but I just wanted to make sure a 2m diff wouldn't clog up the pipes
[13:15] <jgdx> use up the toner, etc
[13:15] <xnox> hm. why is the diff so large?
[13:15] <jgdx> see ^
[13:15]  * xnox did not notice that, i thought it's just one icon as per merge proposal.
[13:16] <xnox> if you are after just one icon, i expect srus of just one icon.
[13:18] <tsdgeos> vigo: hi
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Preparing packages
[13:24] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi guys. could someone remove all the ubuntu-settings-components packages from this silo? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2224/+packages
[13:24] <pete-woods> thanks!
[13:25] <xnox> Source and binaries deleted by Dimitri John Ledkov:
[13:25] <xnox> ubuntu-settings-components 0.12+17.04.20161125-0ubuntu1 in zesty
[13:25] <xnox> ubuntu-settings-components 0.12+16.04.20161125-0ubuntu1 in xenial
[13:25] <xnox> Deletion comment: <pete-woods> trainguards: hi guys. could someone remove all the ubuntu-settings-components packages from this silo? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2224/+packages
[13:25] <xnox> pete-woods, it may take a wee while for lp to actually execute that =)
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Failed to build (xenial/webbrowser-app, zesty/webbrowser-app). Pending binary packages (vivid/webbrowser-app)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Release pocket (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/address-book-service, vivid/camera-app, vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gallery-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/messaging-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/camera-app, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gallery-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/mediaplayer-app, xenial/messaging-app, zesty/address-book-app
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2234 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/address-book-service, zesty/history-service, zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2235 Publishing packages
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Publishing packages
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Successfully built
[13:43] <pete-woods> xnox: no worries. thanks for setting it in motion :)
[13:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/libqtdbusmock)
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Generating diffs
[13:49] <Laney> jgdx: I don't see why not
[13:49] <jgdx> Laney, okay, thanks
[13:50] <Laney> We will SRU stuff where necessary
[13:50] <Laney> but if the overlay maintainers want to track trunk, that's up to them
[13:50] <Laney> we separated the GTK theme into versioned directories to keep it backwards compatible
[13:50] <Laney> so I think it's cool
[13:50] <Laney> worth some testing though imho
[13:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/dialer-app, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-app). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenia
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Release pocket
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2235 Proposed pocket (zesty/content-hub). Release pocket (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/address-book-service, zesty/history-service, zesty/indicator-printers, zesty/mediaplayer-app). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/h
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/mediaplayer-app). Successfully built (xenial/mediaplayer-app)
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 zesty/camera-app: Failed to push to lp:camera-app. Check bot team membership and branch ownership
[14:00] <rvr> robru_: Hi, there is something weird with frieza, stanging and bileto https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1646117
[14:01] <pete-woods> xnox: could you also remove the unity8 packages from the same silo? (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2224/+packages)
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 Publishing packages
[14:03] <mterry>  renato__ ^ 2213 error about lp:camera-app looks messed up
[14:03] <renato__> mterry, thanks. I saw that, I am checking.
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Failed to build (xenial/webbrowser-app, zesty/webbrowser-app). Successfully built (vivid/webbrowser-app)
[14:05] <renato__> mterry, it says that I have a lock for the trunk? How this is possible :D
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 Publish failed: Bad merges
[14:06] <mterry> renato__: heh
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[14:07] <renato__> mterry, ok I break the lock. How I can try the merge again?
[14:07] <mterry> renato__: I believe you just publish again.  It should be smart about it
[14:08] <mterry> jgdx: you want me to publish silo 2194?
[14:08] <renato__> kenvandine, could you try publish it again, please?  ^ ^ ^
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Proposed pocket (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Release pocket (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[14:09] <kenvandine> renato__, which silo?
[14:10] <renato__> kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213
[14:11] <jgdx> mterry, yes, seems it would be okay. Thank you
[14:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Publishing packages
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2194 Publishing packages
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[14:23] <rvr> jgdx: Hey. I'm checking silo 2227, account-polld. I have no account-polld.log in .cache/upstart/
[14:24] <rvr> jgdx: Tried to call it via dbus and "The name com.ubuntu.AccountPolld was not provided by any .service files"
[14:24] <jgdx> rvr, on a device?
[14:24] <rvr> jgdx: Yes
[14:26] <jgdx> rvr, does $ start account-polld do anything?
[14:26] <rvr> jgdx: start: Job is already running: account-polld
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Generating diffs
[14:27] <jgdx> rvr, I wonder if you could stop it, then run it manually and see if there's any output?
[14:27] <jgdx> rvr, so $ stop account-polld && /usr/bin/account-polld
[14:28] <jgdx> this worked fine for me a week ago (this silo)
[14:28] <rvr> stop account-polld
[14:28] <rvr> stop: Unknown instance:
[14:28] <rvr> Weird
[14:29] <rvr> 2016/11/30 14:28:39 Issue while setting up the poll bus:bus name could not be take: name exists
[14:30] <jgdx> rvr, that is weird
[14:30] <jgdx> rvr, installing the silo as we speak
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 Successfully built
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2132 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/indicator-power, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity8, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity8, zesty/indicator-power, zesty/ubuntu-settings-comp
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Release pocket
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-printers, zesty/indicator-printers). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-k
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2194 Proposed pocket (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-themes). Release pocket (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/ubuntu-themes, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-themes)
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/mediaplayer-app). Successfully built (xenial/mediaplayer-app)
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/dialer-app, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-app). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/history-
[14:51] <mterry> cjwatson, robru: the launchpad recipe for the u8 snap (https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+snap/unity8-session-silo) does not currently *prefer* its overlay source.  So in some situations (like libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 right now), we are getting the xenial version when we would like to have the overlay.  Is there a way to express that preference for a
[14:51] <mterry> recipe (I think that's what the Touch image builders do -- prefer the overlay, right?)
[14:53] <robru_> mterry: yeah they would use apt pinning to make sure the overlay version is always chosen over the archive version even if it's lower
[14:53] <robru_> Not sure how you'd achieve that with snaps though
[14:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Proposed pocket (zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtu
[14:54] <jgdx> rvr, works for me on the first run.
[14:54] <rvr> jgdx: There is no account-polld.conf in /etc/init/
[14:54] <jgdx> rvr, not sure what happened here. Maybe look in .cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-client.log and see if you find anything suspicious?
[14:54] <rvr> jgdx: ubuntu-push-client.log is full of errors
[14:55] <jgdx> rvr, account-polld doesn't install that, rather /usr/share/upstart/sessions/account-polld.conf
[14:55] <jgdx> rvr, could you paste that to me?
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2053 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/gallery-app). Successfully built (vivid/gallery-app, xenial/gallery-app)
[14:56] <rvr> jgdx: There is a bug opened for ubuntu-push-client error, let me check
[14:56] <rvr> jgdx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23558379/
[14:57] <rvr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1618388
[14:58] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi folks. could I get unity8 removed from (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2224/+packages)
[14:58] <pete-woods> thanks!
[14:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Diff missing (xenial/ubuntu-themes, zesty/ubuntu-themes). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings
[14:58] <sil2100> pete-woods: on it!
[14:58] <pete-woods> thanks!
[14:58] <jgdx> rvr, arm64, right. Yeah, that's prob the reason for the account-polld failure
[14:58] <sil2100> pete-woods: done, yw!
[14:58] <pete-woods> :)
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2222 Release pocket
[15:06] <jgdx> rvr, so, to summarize, 2227 doesn't introduce the breakage you see on arm64, but that's rather due to u-push panicing. We need to fix that bug, but I don't know when that's going to be.
[15:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/libqtdbusmock)
[15:10] <rvr> jgdx: So, it is not possible to test account-polld without ubuntu-push?
[15:11] <jgdx> rvr, no, account-polld post messages to u-push via the Postal interface. If that hangs, account-polld will probably hang too.
[15:11] <rvr> jgdx: I see
[15:11] <rvr> jgdx: But there is nothing in the logs about that
[15:11] <jgdx> u-push provides the postal inferface
[15:12] <jgdx> rvr, but account-polld is probably hangig before logging
[15:12] <rvr> jgdx: Ack
[15:12] <jgdx> :(
[15:12] <rvr> I'll try in a 32 bit image, then
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[15:17] <rvr> jgdx: By the way, what's the problem with arm64 and ubuntu-push-client?
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-keyboard,
[15:18] <jgdx> rvr, google changed cgo pointer policy a while back, and it became apparent that we violated those new policies in many ways. But instead of fixing it, we just suppressed the warnings and now it's biting us in the behind.
[15:19] <rvr> jgdx: I see
[15:33] <rvr> jgdx: Silo approved
[15:33] <jgdx> rvr, thx
[15:33] <rvr> Works fine in rc-proposed
[15:33] <timp> mvo: hello, can you register the snap name ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples on the canonical account? (I don't know if this is the best channel to ask this)
[15:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx dfiloni, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2227 QA Signoff: Approved
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Preparing packages
[15:37] <mvo> timp: sure, can you share the snap with me?
[15:39] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can the vivid packages be deleted from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2243/+packages ? I initially incorrectly targetted a triple-landing, and have now updated the ticket to target xenial+zesty only
[15:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: on it
[15:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: done :)
[15:40] <oSoMoN> sil2100, that was fast, thanks!
[15:41] <timp> mvo: sure, let me build and upload it, sec.
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Pending binary packages (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, zesty/dialer-app, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-app). Successfully built (vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/gsettings-
[15:45] <sil2100> yw!
[15:45] <mvo> timp: no rush, just email me the link to it and I upload
[15:46] <timp> mvo: I have the link now, https://www.dropbox.com/s/n90andcm52nmkae/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples_1_amd64.snap?dl=0
[15:46] <timp> mvo: it works, but I'll update it with a newer version soon when I figure out why it is so large (50MB)
[15:46] <timp> it uses the ubuntu-app-platform snap so it should be smaller
[15:48] <mvo> timp: ok
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles: Failed to upload package
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Dependency wait (zesty/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/mir, xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[16:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Failed to build
[16:10] <mvo> timp: you have mail from the store (hopefully)
[16:10] <timp> mvo: correct. Thank you :)
[16:11] <mvo> yw
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Preparing packages
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Proposed pocket (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtu
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Preparing packages
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2242 Preparing packages
[16:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Successfully built
[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Preparing packages
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2242 Pending binary packages
[16:46] <Saviq> robru_, would you please finalize https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 for us, we need a follow-up u-s-c ticket to fix britney (it's acually a Nov 30th bug...) https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 and I'd rather not do the merge dance myself
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Pending binary packages
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/libqtdbusmock, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/libqtdbusmock)
[16:47] <Saviq> the reason why unity8 didn't migrate is a new Depends that I was told "an archive admin will notice"
[17:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Currently building (xenial/mir). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2242 Successfully built
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/libqtdbusmock)
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components)
[17:36] <Saviq> trainguards, would someone please finalize https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 for us, we need a follow-up u-s-c ticket to fix britney (it's acually a Nov 30th bug...) https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 and I'd rather not do the merge dance myself
[17:36] <Saviq> the reason why unity8 didn't migrate is a new Depends that I was told "an archive admin will notice"
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Preparing packages
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-system-compositor). Uploading build (xenial/mir)
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Publishing packages
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Publish failed: Bad merges
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (zesty/mir). Pending binary packages (xenial/mir). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[18:10] <robru_> Saviq: what do you mean "an archive admin will notice?"
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Dependency wait (xenial/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/unity-api, xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8)
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Pending binary packages
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Preparing packages
[18:16] <robru> Saviq: does the new usc in 2244 fix the autopkgtest failures I'm seeing in 2202?
[18:17] <Saviq> robru, yes exactly
[18:17] <dobey> lol the unsatisfiable depends is a bit weird
[18:18] <Saviq> robru, seb128 called in a "component mismatch" where the source is in main but binary isn't, and that an archive admin will take notice and ack the new binary into main
[18:19] <dobey> oh yeah
[18:19] <dobey> why didn't seb take care of it? isn't he an AA?
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Successfully built
[18:20] <dobey> wish autopkgtests could be smarter about component mismatch though
[18:21] <robru> oh I see.
[18:21] <robru> Saviq: ok, merging
[18:21] <Saviq> robru, ack, thanks
[18:21] <Saviq> dobey, not sure, he said my work is done on that :)
[18:21] <robru> Saviq: you're welcome, sorry I didn't get your first ping, was afk
[18:21] <dobey> Saviq: is that the final triple landing for u8?
[18:21] <Saviq> dobey, yes
[18:22] <dobey> YAY
[18:22] <Saviq> robru, no worries, thanks
[18:22] <robru> ooooh
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[18:22] <dobey> can finally make a branch for u8 then
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Merging branches
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Ready to build (vivid/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components)
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Successfully built
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2140 Failed to build (vivid/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Currently building (xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, zesty/mir). Failed to build (zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Pending binary packages (xenial/miral, zesty/miral). Successfully built (xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/unity-system-compositor). Uploading build (xenial/qtmir-gles)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Ready to build (vivid/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv tsimonq2 mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1985 Dependency wait (zesty/lxqt-qtplugin). Failed to build (zesty/akonadi, zesty/maliit-framework, zesty/qtcurve, zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity8). Ready to build (zesty/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtlocation-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtubuntu-gles, zes
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2112 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- josharenson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2031 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Currently building (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Failed to build (zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Pending binary packages (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Preparing packages
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/content-hub)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Currently building (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Failed to build (zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Pending binary packages
[19:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-printers). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Bad merges (zesty/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity-api). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Currently building (xenial/mir). Failed to build (zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Pending binary packages (zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Successfully built
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-ses
[19:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Failed to build (zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/mir, xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/mir, zesty/miral, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[20:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transf
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[20:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Diff missing (xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles). Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity-api). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Failed to build (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2232 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-printers). Proposed pocket (zesty/unity-control-center)
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-printers). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-keyboard, xenial/in
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2232 Proposed pocket (zesty/unity-control-center). Release pocket (zesty/indicator-printers)
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Preparing packages
[21:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Failed to build (zesty/indicator-keyboard). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-keyboard, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-application, zesty
[22:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Preparing packages
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Successfully built
[22:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Failed to build (xenial/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/libqtdbusmock, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/libqtdbusmock)
[22:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Preparing packages
[23:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2244 Successfully built
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[23:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-printers). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-keyboard, xenial/in


 Welcome!
[18:29] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Disco Beta] has been marked as ready
 Chris Guiver is the man!
 Yes he is!
 I really appreciate the testing :)
[18:44] <kc2bez> He takes testing to another level, it is awesome indeed.
 For sure
[20:01] <lynorian> tsimonq2: any timetable on when you will be able to get multiple versions of the manual built I have almost finished some of what I think the last things are not documented in 18.10 yet
 @lynorian [<lynorian> tsimonq2: any timetable on when you will be able to get multiple vers …], I'll take a look tonight
 It shouldn't be difficult at all
[20:02] <lynorian> yeah I know I just don't think I have parts for say how it works on the server
[20:02] <lynorian> I need to get the software sources upgraded for 19.04 along with other stuff
 Yeah, just some nginx fun I think
 @teward001 A single nginx site can have multiple root locations depending on which URL you're visiting, right?
 So e.g. example.com serves /srv/example.com/foo while example.com/bar serves /srv/example.com/bar
[20:08] <wxl> that seems like a good idea.. but how do navigate to the right page? manual.l.m will just have links to the different versions?
[20:09] <wxl> this is why i liked the python-based solution that the sphinx folks implemented
 wxl I am not quite sure how to do that?
[20:10] <wxl> this might be a thing https://robpol86.github.io/sphinxcontrib-versioning/v2.2.1/index.html
[20:12] <wxl> OR
[20:12] <wxl> it seems read the docs does this automatically. we could publish to there and just have manual.l.m point there
[20:13] <wxl> actually that might be the easiest possible solution
[20:13] <wxl> you can just connect to a github account or manually import docs from a git repository
[20:17] <lynorian> wxl that extension doesn't have the bootstrap theme we use
 @tsimonq2 [@teward001 A single nginx site can have multiple root locations depending on whi …], Correct, but whatever is there needs to be aliased to it in order for the URIs to be properly handled
 so depending on what you're trying to do... things could break 😛
 @wxl [<wxl> it seems read the docs does this automatically. we could publish to there …], Does it support Sphinx?
[20:20] <lynorian> yes just not the bootstrap theme
 Are we willing to give up the theme?
 I can change it easily and you choose that one way back when
 True
[20:46] <wxl> oh @lynorian you'll like the fact they build all the formats by default
[20:47] <lynorian> wxl building the format actually isn't quite the problem it is the chapter numbering on pdfs
[20:48] <wxl> we can install a local instance of rtd hmmmm https://docs.readthedocs.io/en/stable/install.html
 oh great another thing to deploy >.>
[20:49] <wxl> well that's one way we could ensure our theme
[20:49] <wxl> redis and elasticsearch are depends
 redis i understand
 ES.... eh
 that's not a tiny thing to deploy that gets huge fast
[20:49] <wxl> it's for the search functionality
[20:50] <wxl> (and next on obvious statements..)
[20:59] <tsimonq2> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYA, it's meeting time!
[20:59] <lynorian> hello tsimonq2
 do we include getting the infra back up and running a dev task 😛
[20:59] <tsimonq2> yes @teward001
[20:59] <tsimonq2> k
[20:59] <tsimonq2> so
[20:59] <tsimonq2> I guess lynorian goes first
[20:59] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:00] <teward> so I should stick around then :P
[21:00] <lynorian> ok for the manual I got a lot of work on transmission and K3B on the manual
[21:01] <tsimonq2> teward: yes
[21:01] <lynorian> I did some work on firefox really
[21:03] <lynorian> I did a tiny bit of working on discover and muon
[21:03] <wxl> that's good
[21:04] <lynorian> I also got some work done on vlc playlists
[21:04] <wxl> (an aside: there's a ncurses vlc front end; just run `nvlc`)
[21:05] <lynorian> yes that is not in the manual yet
[21:05] <wxl> i'm not sure it needs to be, per se, but..
[21:05] <lynorian> yes
[21:08] <lynorian> I think that is it from me
[21:08] <tsimonq2> ok
[21:08] <tsimonq2> teward goes next because he needs to catch a commute.
[21:08] <teward> assuming we include getting the core infrastructure back up after the fiasco...
[21:08] <tsimonq2> yes
[21:08] <teward> * SSL: Looking into whether it'd be more sane to get a *.lubuntu.me wildcard, but will have to coordinate with Canonical IS as they hold the domain.
[21:08] <teward> * Phabricator:
[21:08] <teward>   - Phabricator daemons SystemD-ified for autostartup
[21:08] <teward>   - Phab git/SSH daemon SystemD-ified for autostartup
[21:08] <teward> * CI: SSL issues reaching into CI/Lugito/etc., working on investigating syncing the SSL certs around to the containers from the host (with a semi-hackish approach...)
[21:08] <teward> * Security / Updates management: Investigating centralized monitoring/management via Landscape for reasons.
[21:08] <teward> * TODO:
[21:08] <teward>  - Discourse
[21:08] <teward>  - Automate Lugito startup
[21:09] <teward> Been a bit stretched this week because of my FT jobs :P

[21:09] <teward> questions before I dart off, ask now.
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Thanks teward!
[21:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: Go, unless someone has questions :)
[21:10] <lynorian> only thing I notice not being up is irc notifications in lugito
[21:10] <wxl> i don't think i have much actually
[21:10] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Yeah.
[21:10] <wxl> or perhaps anything except a little conversation :/
[21:10] <tsimonq2> No problem wxl :)
[21:12] <wxl> done then
[21:12] <tsimonq2> Alright, who else is here?
[21:12] <kc2bez> I'm here too, nothing to add.
[21:12] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[21:12] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * The Beta is TODAY! Adam is doing it this time, so we have a little bit of breathing room, but it's marked as ready.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * RELEASE BLOCKERS AS OF RIGHT NOW:
[21:14] <tsimonq2>    - FDE with Calamares on Secure Boot systems. I have a workaround that I need to confirm and test.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>    - Completion of tests I have in the wiki page below.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * Work on infra recovery as usual. I set up Jenkins again, I'm just waiting on teward to do some work with the SSL certs and we'll be golden. Here's the critical things I see that are left:
[21:14] <tsimonq2>    - Completely recovering translations.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>    - Getting our pal Lugito back in here.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>    - CI, and related bits.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>    - Lubot in the Council and Members channels.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * I just thought I'd mention that my inspiration for these meetings originally was the Foundations team meetings, and they usually have stuff prepared beforehand and just copy/paste to the channel (like I do). It'd be cool if everyone could do that. It's optional, of course, but it makes this go a lot quicker. :)
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * I'm all set for LFNW, and I just need to hear back from Canonical about getting the actual money for my SELF tickets. Still in talks with Altispeed to fund a DebConf trip.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * Canonical has given Lubuntu preliminary clearance to establish an LLC with the Lubuntu name. I'll be seeing a corporate accountant and a business lawyer after tax season to discuss bootstrapping it. Details to come, I'll talk with the council once Lubot is back so wxl doesn't miss anything.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * Closed a few tasks today following uploads I have already done.
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * I've written a few bits of documentation, eyes welcome: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/schedule/ https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/
[21:14] <tsimonq2>  * Really week overall, but I'm getting back into the swing of it. Weather has been getting much nicer, thankfully.
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Done.
[21:15] <tsimonq2> Any questions?
[21:15] <wxl> what's the secure boot deal?
[21:15] <lynorian> nice calendar how did you do that?
[21:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: My (untested!) theory is that we can do a little bit of Calamares hacking to allow for contextual partition layouts. From there, we just set it in the config.
[21:16] <wxl> i think it's just a simple table
[21:16] <tsimonq2> ^
[21:16] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:16] <lynorian> cool
[21:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: did you check with upstream? i could have sworn i saw some rumbling about it in the support channel a while back
[21:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah.
[21:16] <tsimonq2> crazy_ thinks I'm an idiot, oh well.
[21:17] <tsimonq2> What else is new? :P
[21:17] <wxl> uh
[21:17] <wxl> well perhaps instead of shouting into the channel, maybe ask the folks that will actually listen to you :/
[21:17] <tsimonq2> I'll prioritize writing some code myself.
[21:17] <wxl> also i note #kubuntu-devel was reporting something similar
[21:18] <wxl> perhaps getting them and/or neon to comment on a bug report might help
[21:18] <wxl> s/bug report/github issue/
[21:18] <tsimonq2> Yep.
[21:19] <tsimonq2> I
[21:19] <tsimonq2> ugh
[21:19] <tsimonq2> I'm >< this close to getting a working staging area for next release.
[21:19] <tsimonq2> So if we know Lubuntu 19.04 looks good to go, we can start working on 19.10 via a PPA.
[21:19] <wxl> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:20] <tsimonq2> It'll very likely involve bringing back Lubuntu Next.
[21:20] <wxl> oh hell no
[21:20] <tsimonq2> There's support right in ubuntu-cdimage for PPAs.
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: How else do you want to build images? XD
[21:20] <wxl> i just don't ever want to use that name
[21:20] <tsimonq2> Unless teward wants to set something else up... >_>
[21:20] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha
[21:20] <tsimonq2> ok
[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Name suggestion then?
[21:21] <wxl> lubuntu bleeding edge?
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu Edge it is
[21:21] <wxl> oh great
[21:21] <wxl> nwo we're a disabled browser
[21:21] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHA
[21:21] <tsimonq2> ok
[21:21] <tsimonq2> so
[21:21] <wxl> anyways
[21:21] <tsimonq2> It has to be Lubuntu ONEWORD I think
[21:21] <lynorian> not a demon
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu Canary?
[21:21] <wxl> hmmmmmm
[21:22] <tsimonq2> I like that
[21:22] <tsimonq2> Objections?
[21:22] <wxl> 1s
[21:23] <wxl> fine
[21:23] <wxl> but it's a blue canary or nothing
[21:23] <tsimonq2> ok XD
[21:23] <wxl> also: any reason why we don't turn that testing checklist into testcases?
[21:25] <tsimonq2> No reason at all.
[21:26] <wxl> k.. probably make them more visible
[21:26] <tsimonq2> I'm suggesting you do that btw XD
[21:26] <wxl> i suspected as such :)
[21:26] <wxl> the base testcases need to be rewritten for calamares anyways
[21:28] <tsimonq2> Right.
[21:39] <wxl> ok so we're done right? XD
[21:39] <tsimonq2> I guess XD
[21:41] <wxl> k love you bye
[21:41] <tsimonq2> <3
 XD
 Hi!
 Hey!
 What's up? :)
 Sorry I'm late
[22:14] <guiverc> o/
 I haven't been able to figure out how to upload the tasks
 I'm not sure I will have enough time to figure it out
 I can give the parsed "backup" to someone that can figure that out
[22:18] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:18] <tsimonq2> I'll do it
[22:19] <tsimonq2> guiverc: heya :)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Thanks for the testing work!
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> I'll do it], OK, I will send them to you
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[22:41] <guiverc> tsimonq2, if you have other [easy-ish] monkey-stuff i can do, let me know.. (this applies to others too)
[22:43] <wxl> guiverc: that testing checklist
[22:43] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/
[22:44] <tsimonq2> ^
[22:44] <guiverc> okay wxl - will work on it (if it was given to me before, sorry I forgot)
[22:45] <wxl> guiverc: not a problem. you're doing amazing work. we are so thankful.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> For sure :)
[23:59] <teward> *throws salt at wxl*
[23:59]  * wxl throws slugs at teward


[00:26] <ForeverNoob[m]> hello, are lowlatency kernels included if I choose to enable HWE kernels?
[00:37] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: There's a lowlatency variant of the HWE kernel.
[00:38] <Eickmeyer> HWE just means Hardware Enablement.
[00:38] <Eickmeyer> Really only applies to newer hardware.
[00:38] <ForeverNoob[m]> yeah I wanted to have WireGuard support but don't have a more recent kernel for it (I'm on 18.04)
[00:39] <Eickmeyer> You'd be better served upgrading to 20.04, 18.04 was not a long-term support release for Ubuntu Studio.
[00:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh what's the EOL for 18.04 then?
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> It *was* January of last year.
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> We kept it on life support with the backports PPA, but we've since stopped backporting to 18.04.
[00:42] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh... I'm kinda hesitant to switch to 20.04 somewhat because of the snap situation (I don't have much disk space etc.)
[00:43] <Eickmeyer> We don't install any snaps by default for Ubuntu Studio.
[00:43] <ForeverNoob[m]> but now that I know that 18.04 has been deprecated I guess I have to
[00:44] <ForeverNoob[m]> but isn't that dependent on upstream? Like if I "apt install chromium-browser" it would install the snap
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> Yes, that's true, but that's just chromium.
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> Chromium is the only package that forces a snap install.
[00:45] <genii> Actually, i thinkere's others
[00:45] <ForeverNoob[m]> so not Firefox?
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> BTW, Ubuntu is not an upstream, Ubuntu Studio *is* Ubuntu.
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> Not Firefox.
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> And if you're running an underpowered machine with low disk space, Ubuntu Studio is not for you. It's made for higher-end hardware.
[00:46] <genii> Some GTK things are now also that thing where you use package manager and it installs snap then installs the actual thing
[00:46] <ForeverNoob[m]> even if I just install ubuntu server and then install Ubuntu Studio specific packages ?
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | ForeverNoob[m]
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: That's not the recommended route at all.
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> Would make zero sense.
[00:48] <Eickmeyer> Also would make no difference.
[00:49] <ForeverNoob[m]> well suppose I have a crappy laptop, I'd then just install ubuntu server (which is rather minimal and without GUI packages), then I'd install something like i3 or awesomeWM and then I'd run the Ubuntu Studio Installer. I won't have the huge GUI of Plasma / XFCE but still have Ubuntu Studio experience. Won't that make sense?
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Not at all. The Ubuntu Studio items require a GUI.
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise you're just running Ubuntu Server.
[00:51] <ForeverNoob[m]> yeah but my GUI would just be a lightweight window manager
[00:51] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that's fine. We just can't support it here, that's all.
[00:51] <ForeverNoob[m]> instead of a full desktop thing like Plasma or XFCE
[00:52] <ForeverNoob[m]> huh? why not? Isn't that just Ubuntu + Ubuntu Studio packages then?
[00:53] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio packages is very ambiguous. They're all Ubuntu packages. The Ubuntu Studio packages configure the environment for certain things.
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio simply refers to the default install and environment, such as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> Not a separate distribution.
[00:55] <ForeverNoob[m]> well in this case I meant the Ubuntu Studio specific packages that I'd install via the Ubuntu Studio Installer
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> Those are simply metapackages, not actual packages.
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> Support still falls on whatever flavor you initially install.
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> And we'
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> re all volunteers, so nobody is even *required* to give you technical support.
[00:57] <ForeverNoob[m]> ...and since it's all Ubuntu, I'm not quite understanding why Ubuntu Server + minimal WM + Ubuntu Studio metapackages will not be considered for support here.
[00:57] <Eickmeyer> You'd get most of your support from #ubuntu, that's all.
[00:58] <Eickmeyer> You can't *magically* transform anything into Ubuntu Studio.
[00:59] <genii> Eickmeyer: ubuntustudio-desktop packages itself seems to have XFCE specific things as depends and not as recommends
[00:59] <ForeverNoob[m]> not anything, I was specifically referring to an official flavor of Ubuntu.
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> genii: That's true for 20.04 and prior. 20.10 and later uses Plasma.
[00:59] <genii> Interesting
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: genii makes a great point. If you install ubuntustudio-desktop, it will pull-in Xfce.
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> genii: ubuntustudio-installer doesn't install ubuntustudio-desktop.
[01:01] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, I too was under the impression that the config ForeverNoob is describing would be supported here. But I think Eickmeyer is referring to general Ubuntu questions, which are indeed best asked in #ubuntu on Freenode.
[01:01]  * Eickmeyer might be saying some things out-of-line, he's a little burnt-out and had a bad day.
[01:02] <Eickmeyer> The Ubuntu Studio-specific items would, of course, be supported. I may have said that wrong.
[01:02] <genii> That actually makes better sense then, to install whatever DE you prefer then ubuntustudio-installer for the specific suite of apps
[01:02] <Eickmeyer> The i3 window manager would not.
[01:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh no that's totally fine, I didn't get the feeling that you were out of line and I'm sorry if my questions came across as a bit pertinent, I was just eager to have some clarification on things.
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | genii: It's a really handy tool.
[01:03] <genii> Does it rely on a realtime kernel though?
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> genii: Nope.
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> !rt | genii
[01:04] <Eickmeyer> TL;DR: Realtime kernels are a *BAD IDEA* on Desktop Linux.
[01:04] <genii> I have issues on this box with realtime/lowlatency
[01:04] <ForeverNoob[m]> an yeah I was always intending to ask the general ubuntu questions in #ubuntu :)
[01:04] <Eickmeyer> From a security standpoint.
[01:05] <ForeverNoob[m]> yeah RT is only used in super-specific industrial applications and such, and usually those systems do not come in contact with network etc.
[01:05] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[01:05] <ForeverNoob[m]> lowlatency is something different AFAIK
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> It is. Even if a process takes RT priority the user still has some access to userspace to do something.
[11:50] <sakrecoer[m]> Anyone knows what happened to the button in srdour to change the sync mode (internal/slave/jack)... It's referenced in the manual too, but it seems to be gone in Ardour6
[19:30] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: at the very left of the transport under the ! button there is a button that says "int." is that the one you are lookign for?
[22:46] <sakrecoer[m]> <OvenWerks "徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット🕸🏴: at the v"> It sounds like the one... But here it's not a button... It's just text saying "int." And it's not glickable
[22:48] <sakrecoer[m]> Or maybe.. I was referring to the text under the timestamp display. I just turned of the computer... I probably looked to hard ...