[09:03] <czajkowski> StevenK: does LP have caching in place for blueprints?
[09:03] <lifeless> czajkowski: caching in what sense?
[09:05] <czajkowski> lifeless: 16:41 < cjohnston> Is there any chance that https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-1303/+temp-meeting-export gets cached?
[09:05] <czajkowski> 16:46 < cjohnston> czajkowski: twice now, it hasn't imported a user who is marked as attending, I visit that url via my browser, and all of a  sudden summit picks it up
[09:05] <lifeless> I don't remember that being memcached
[09:06] <lifeless> it would rather defeat the purpose, as its an API
[09:06] <czajkowski> I've never seen/heard of it before so wasn't sure
[09:06] <lifeless> however, it may be. I don't have LP's source checked out atm...
[09:06] <czajkowski> so if it's not LP being naughty then it'd be summit.
[09:06] <czajkowski> lifeless: cheers
[09:06] <czajkowski> also nice replies on -devel
[09:06] <lifeless> czajkowski: thanks :)
[09:10] <czajkowski> lifeless: get a chance to listen into any of the sessions?
[09:11] <lifeless> czajkowski: listened to the one with rick colin etc on rolling release today
[09:12] <lifeless> czajkowski: seems to be massive confusion between rick and colin (just to pick an arbitrary pair) about whether the rolling release is for user or devs or testers or ....
[09:12] <czajkowski> nods
[09:12] <czajkowski> also terminology also seems to be different to a developer as oposed to a end user I found
[09:12] <czajkowski> but still interesting to hear it all sounded out tbh
[09:13] <lifeless> personally I think bite the bullet, find out where the pain points are and iterate on fixing the systems quickly
[09:13] <lifeless> and make breaking things be considered really socially unacceptable
[09:15] <czajkowski> nods
[09:15] <czajkowski> i'm running raring now and I think it's by far the best I've run ever and it's not even released
[09:15] <lifeless> I should probably blog about it
[09:16] <czajkowski> I do a daily update has broken, couple of quirks I've found, but nothing actually breakable.  I am in favour of the rolling releases as I do think it's the right thing to do though,just unsure about the timing
[09:38] <wgrant> lifeless: Squid
[09:38] <wgrant> If the requesting user isn't authenticated
[09:38] <lifeless> wgrant: bad headers on the page?
[09:39] <lifeless> cjohnston: ^
[09:49] <cjohnston> wgrant: lifeless so squid is probably causing it? is that what i understand?
[09:51] <lifeless> cjohnston: yes; just use an authenticated session rather than anonymous
[09:51] <wgrant> cjohnston: If the request is unauthenticated then it may get slightly stale data.
[09:52] <cjohnston> we don't have that ability right now. any chance summit can bypass squid for today?
[09:55] <wgrant> cjohnston: Just send any cookie at all
[09:55] <wgrant> I think that should work
[09:55] <wgrant> If not, sending an arbitrary value as the launchpad auth cookie will
[09:55] <cjohnston> wgrant: i don't want to make changes during uds
[09:55] <wgrant> We can't make any changes on our end.
[09:56] <wgrant> Isn't Summit usually authenticated?
[09:56] <czajkowski> cjohnston: why is only an issue at this uds and not prior ones?
[09:57] <cjohnston> dunno
[09:57] <czajkowski> something ye've done?
[09:57] <czajkowski> changed?
[09:57] <cjohnston> there hasntbeen any changes to that code
[10:03] <wgrant> Launchpad's caching behaviour has not changed in a very long time.
[11:28] <czajkowski> I have a whole new appreciate of what builders do and how fast they do it :)
[13:13] <ozcanesen> hey for example some po files show all translator names, but po files that i download from launchpad translations service only shows last translator
[13:13] <ozcanesen> example: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/tr/messages/kde-workspace/kwin.po
[13:13] <ozcanesen> how can i get full list?
[13:23] <yofel> I just got a mail about a rejected copy:
[13:23] <yofel> Launchpad encountered an error during the following operation: copying a package.  bovo 4:4.10.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1 in quantal (Cannot copy restricted files to a public archive without explicit unembargo option.)
[13:23] <yofel> what do I need to do to get it copied?
[13:29] <yofel> nevermind, it seems I missed that option in the API
[14:22] <yofel> could someone try to make https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages accessible again?
[14:22] <yofel> OOPS-99f58a2ef24fd472b78419cf9ee1a867
[16:52] <dkliban> Rejected:
[16:52] <dkliban> PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket ...... what does this mean?
[16:53] <maxb> dkliban: It means upload to quantal, not quantal-proposed (for example)
[16:56] <dkliban> maxb: is this defined in the changelog?
[16:56] <maxb> dkliban: yes
[16:57] <dkliban> maxb: i have precise-backports .... why is that not allowed? i am new to packaging for ubuntu
[16:58] <maxb> PPAs don't support multiple pockets
[16:58] <maxb> So, just drop the -backports bit
[16:58] <dkliban> maxb: thanks!
[19:51] <billkd> To request a project group, do I have to do anything else besides what I've done here at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/223568 ?
[19:53] <billkd> !help
[19:53] <billkd> !patience
[19:54] <billkd> To request aproject group, do I have to do anything else besides submit my request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/223568
[19:54] <dobey> probably not
[19:54] <dobey> someone will get to it
[19:54] <dobey> you don't need to repeat the question (and it's only been 3 minutes)
[19:54] <billkd> dobey: how long does a request take before it is processed?
[19:55] <dobey> not sure. but yesterday/today was UDS, so some people may be off their normal timezones. probably no more than a day or two normally
[19:58] <billkd> Quick question in the request I asked to change one of the project's launchpad IDs and make the old one the project group's ID is that possible? And if I only have two projects(client and server) is a project group necessary?
[20:24] <dobey> i'm not sure
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> erm, billkd, were you hear before asking about project groups?
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> i seem to remember seeing someone else asking a similar question about that one


[03:22] <ShawnR__> anyone here good with regex?
[03:28] <maxh> ShawnR: They might respond to "dark magicks". :P
[03:35] <ShawnR>  lol
[03:36] <ShawnR> i'm not new to sed, but haven't used it to fullest advantage... usually just find/replace... now i need something more complex and it is kicking my tail
[08:13] <bluebomber> ShawnR: I can try to help.


[12:53] <Mithrandir> BenC: do you want a daily build now?
[02:04] <zul> BenC: you can throw rocks at your satelite dish or cow dung
[03:19] <BenC> Mithrandir: yeah, definitely
[04:28] <yarddog> this 2.6.17-9 is giving me a panic on boot
[04:28] <yarddog> cannot use it
[04:29] <yarddog> ive reinstalled and still panic, it hangs on the new splash and will not boot
[08:21] <Mithrandir> BenC: oh well, I didn't see that before going to bed; you'll have images in an hour or so.
[10:07] <ivoks> bummer :/
[10:08] <ivoks> BenC: it doesn't work, but it works with 2.6.18-rc7-mm
[10:08] <ivoks> fwiw
[10:09] <ivoks> (i know that isn't much of the help)
[11:44] <ph8> morning all
[11:45] <ph8> any feedback from the jmicron fix from today's daily yet? I haven't got around to downloading the image yet
[11:55] <ph8> Just one guy going "oh it's not in the source boo hoo"
[11:55] <ph8> but according to the .list
[11:55] <ph8> /pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-9-generic_2.6.17-9.23_amd64.deb
[11:56] <ph8> is included
[11:56] <ph8> so all should be gravy when i get a chance to d/l it :)
[12:22] <ivoks> hi BenC
[12:24] <ivoks> yay... it almost booted :)
[03:26] <ph8> hey BenC! Noticed the comments on the jmicron bug report mate? wondering if it's true/applicable and if so if it would then be a waste of my time downloading the image today
[03:29] <yarddog> anyone have a problem booting with 2.6.17-9 ?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> yarddog: it hasnt hit my repos yet
[03:38] <gnomefreak> using uk repos too they are normally one of the first updated
[03:39] <yarddog> i think mine are the ubuntu archives
[03:39] <yarddog> archive.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <yarddog> it boots fine on my laptop
[03:40] <yarddog> but not on this desktop
[03:40] <yarddog> i had to revert to
[03:40] <yarddog> 2.6.17-8-386
[03:42] <yarddog> the desktop has kde as well and it uses the kubuntu usplash
[03:43] <yarddog> i dont know if that makes a difference because it hangs/panics on the kubuntu splash screen
[03:43] <yarddog> so i cant see if its a panic or not
[03:50] <gnomefreak> yarddog: they were in my repos but some some strange reason they were not updating i had to install
[03:50] <yarddog> interesting
[03:50] <yarddog> what kernel version are you running?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> -8-generic
[03:51] <yarddog> hrm
[03:51] <gnomefreak> i had changed to -generic since 386 is installed by default
[03:51] <yarddog> i tried several times
[03:51] <yarddog> what does generic have?
[03:52] <yarddog> this desktop is a prescott and there is no 686 or smp either
[03:52] <gnomefreak> generic is 686 may  also be 486 and 586
[03:52] <yarddog> so its forced to run 386
[03:52] <gnomefreak> 686 was renamed to -generic
[03:53] <yarddog> so i should be running generic?
[03:53] <gnomefreak> yarddog: im not sure there is much of a performance difference but im not a kernel guy
[03:55] <yarddog> ok
[03:56] <gnomefreak> gonna try brb
[05:30] <ivoks> hi zul
[05:30] <zul> hey
[05:31] <ivoks> do you have a minute?
[05:31] <ivoks> :)
[05:31] <zul> i might
[05:31] <zul> whats u
[05:31] <zul> *up even
[05:31] <ivoks> ich8 doesn't work with latest kernel 9.23
[05:32] <ivoks> and i was checking diff with vanilla kernel
[05:32] <ivoks> and it's big
[05:32] <ivoks> but vanilla kernel doesn't include support for ich8
[05:32] <ivoks> so, i've looked for a patch and found this:
[05:32] <ivoks> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/7/11/493
[05:32] <zul> gimme a sec
[05:33] <ivoks> it seems that our ata_piix.c has parts of this patch and parts from somewhere else
[05:33] <zul> hmmm...you might want to talk to ben when he is around
[05:33] <ivoks> ok
[05:33] <zul> does that patch work though?
[05:33] <ivoks> it builds
[05:33] <ivoks> but i can't test it right now :/
[05:33] <zul> ah..
[05:34] <ivoks> our driver reports that it can't read status of disk
[05:34] <ivoks> but, i'll talk with ben about it
[05:34] <ivoks> speeking of... :)
[05:35] <ivoks> speaking even
[05:45] <ph8> BenC: Sorry, lost my connection, did you reply?
[05:46] <ivoks> ph8: did your jmicron worked?
[05:47] <ph8> not sure
[05:47] <ph8> downloading now
[05:47] <ph8> did yours ivoks?
[05:47] <ivoks> no
[05:47] <ph8> same error?
[05:48] <ivoks> well, i have disk on ich8 and cdrom on jmicron
[05:48] <ivoks> cdrom wasn't detected at all
[05:49] <ivoks> and ich8 stalled for a long time... :/
[05:55] <ph8> was ich8 detected in the end though?
[05:56] <ph8> there's some guy on bug report saying that the installer is using an old kernel which probably only BenC or Mithrandir would know about - presumably though the installer should use the kernel that gets put into the distro..
[05:56] <ivoks> i said that :)
[05:56] <ivoks> and it does
[05:56] <ph8> ah
[05:56] <ivoks> i've tested it this morning
[05:56] <ph8> weird
[05:56] <ph8> does that mean someone's not updated the installer?
[05:56] <ivoks> it's not that weird
[05:57] <ph8> or is that how it's meant to work
[05:57] <ph8> and since we've got a fixed kernel package can't we just overwrite the one on the install cd?
[05:57] <ivoks> this is automated procedure
[05:57] <ivoks> i think tomorrow we'll have new kernel in installer
[05:57] <ph8> :(
[05:57] <ph8> always another tomorrow
[05:57] <ph8> pain in the arse
[05:58] <ivoks> ph8: safe bet is "the release day"
[05:58] <ph8> unless of course Mithrandir's around and is feeling generous? ;)
[05:58] <ph8> ivoks: I was hoping to fit this machine on monday/tuesday
[05:58] <ivoks> ph8: this is expected for a development version
[05:58] <ph8> indeed
[05:58] <ph8> do you know if any other distros have it fixed yet?
[05:58] <ivoks> ph8: i was hoping to make it work yesterday :)
[05:58] <ph8> distros that have server installations
[05:59] <ph8> ivoks: Did you say ich8 detection worked?
[05:59] <ivoks> only those that have 2.6.18 kernel
[05:59] <ph8> do any have the .18?
[05:59] <yarddog> that kubuntu splash has something to do with the kernel panic
[05:59] <yarddog> edgy splash is fine
[05:59] <ivoks> ph8: there is thousands of linux distribution :)
[06:08] <ph8> doesn't answer the question though, does it? ;)
[06:10] <ivoks> i don't know :)
[06:10] <ivoks> 2.6.18 is fresh
[06:10] <ph8> do you know an easy way to just copy the kernel on the install cd into the installer?
[06:10] <ph8> or is that not do-able?
[06:12] <ivoks> i did that
[06:12] <ivoks> and i managed to install edgy onto disk
[06:12] <ph8> and it works?
[06:12] <ivoks> even boot it
[06:12] <ivoks> but (big BUT)
[06:12] <ivoks> udev in edgy isn't compatibile with 2.6.18
[06:12] <ivoks> so... bummer :)
[06:12] <ph8> i meant the fixed edgy kernel
[06:12] <ph8> which presumably is on the install cd as a package
[06:12] <ph8> just not in the installer
[06:13] <ivoks> ph8: you can do netboot, as i did
[06:13] <ph8> don't you have a P5B?
[06:13] <ph8> the network card isn't supported
[06:13] <ivoks> i don't know what board it is...
[06:13] <ph8> you have to download seperate drivers which aren't on the install cd
[06:13] <ivoks> ph8: realtek?
[06:13] <ph8> iirc
[06:13] <ph8> yes
[06:13] <ivoks> it's supported
[06:13] <ivoks> r1000 module
[06:13] <ph8> i can try it but i'm not sure you're right
[06:13] <ivoks> if you have time, you can do it
[06:14] <ph8> netboot involves setting up a dhcp server and all that rubbish right?
[06:14] <ph8> i don't really have the cabling tbh
[06:14] <ivoks> first, do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.17-9-386
[06:14] <ph8> it would be a trek
[06:14] <ivoks> ph8: it's easy... you need 5 minutes for setup and hour and half for waiting kernel to compile
[06:14] <ph8> this is for netboot?
[06:14] <ph8> i have a feeling one of us might be lagging
[06:15] <ivoks> ph8: no one is lagging :)
[06:16] <ivoks> for netboot, yes
[06:16] <ivoks> you need dhcp3-server and tftpd-hpa
[06:16] <ivoks> and apache2 :)
[06:16] <ivoks> those three packages
[06:16] <ph8> eww
[06:16] <ph8> i need to setup software raid as well
[06:16] <ph8> will netboot use the latest kernel instead of this old one which seems to be all over the place?
[06:17] <ivoks> ph8: netboot will use kernel which you will create
[06:17] <ivoks> which would be the same as ubuntu kernel + r1000 module for realtek
[06:17] <ivoks> it's easy
[06:18] <ph8> this assumes the ich8 fix works
[06:18] <ivoks> that one doesn't work
[06:18] <ph8> then my sata's won't get detected?
[06:18] <ivoks> but if you are willing to try my patch...
[06:19] <ph8> hmmm
[06:19] <ph8> why not submit the patch to these lovely guys?
[06:19] <ivoks> cause i'm not sure it works :)
[06:19] <ivoks> and i can't test it
[06:19] <ph8> well then
[06:19] <ivoks> :((((((
[06:19] <ivoks> but if you would test it...
[06:20] <ph8> i'm going to try today's daily in an hour, i'm not too hopeful from what i've heard already :/
[06:20] <ivoks> then we would know if it works or not
[06:20] <ivoks> so, you don't want to test this patch? it will take maybe 20 minutes to set everything up (since i allready compiled kernel and modules)
[06:21] <ph8> maybe
[06:21] <ph8> give me an hour to try this
[06:21] <ph8> and then i'll think about it
[06:22] <ph8> as i said, if i can get this machine installed on tuesday that would be great
[06:22] <ph8> it's the last day i'll be able too really
[06:22] <ph8> pressure's on
[06:22] <ivoks> same here
[06:23] <ph8> i've pm'ed Mithrandir, if he appears maybe he'll do a new build for us so the new kernel can get into that blasted installer
[06:23] <ph8> then we'll be on the way \o/
[06:23] <ivoks> i doubt
[06:23] <ivoks> since i've allready tried new kernel
[06:23] <ivoks> and it doesn't work
[06:23] <ivoks> period
[06:24] <ph8> pfft
[06:24] <ph8> sounds like a recurring nightmare
[06:37] <yarddog_> wiping that install and doing a clean onee
[07:00] <ivoks> jezzzz
[07:00] <ivoks> ph8: please, please, are you willing to test this patch?
[07:01] <ivoks> it might make your computer - work :)
[07:02] <ph8> it involves a netboot and a rebuild with the r1000?
[07:02] <ph8> if so, how are you going to get around the ich8 issue?
[07:03] <ivoks> this get's around ich8 issue
[07:03] <ivoks> it solves it
[07:03] <ivoks> it also solves PATA part of jmicron driver
[07:03] <ph8> and does it involve a netboot or just a patch to the install cd?
[07:03] <ivoks> fix in edgy kernel includes only fix for SATA part of jmicron
[07:03] <ivoks> netboot
[07:04] <ph8> what do i need to do?
[07:04] <ivoks> it's much easier to do it trough netboot than remastering CD
[07:04] <ivoks> ph8: install tftpd-hpa dhcp3-server apache2
[07:05] <ivoks> patch is on http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/jmicron-ich8.diff
[07:06] <ivoks> then you need to get source of edgy kernel; apt-get source linux-image-2.6.17-9-386
[07:06] <ivoks> or, if you trust me, i can provide you prebuild image and modules
[07:07] <ph8> presumably as soon as edgy dev has fixed this i can update to their kernel?
[07:07] <ph8> i won't be tied into this patched kernel for a long time?
[07:07] <ivoks> of course
[07:07] <ph8> link me to the prebuild then
[07:08] <ivoks> i have to upload them, just a second
[07:08] <ivoks> while it's uploading, let's set up everything for netboot, ok?
[07:10] <ivoks> ph8: ?
[07:10] <ph8> ok
[07:10] <ivoks> did you install those packages?
[07:10] <ph8> yes
[07:10] <ph8> start of dhcp3 server fails atm though
[07:11] <ph8> not sure why
[07:11] <ivoks> that's ok
[07:11] <ph8> no config you think?
[07:11] <ph8> ok
[07:11] <ivoks> now go to /var/lib/tftpboot
[07:11] <ivoks> and run:
[07:12] <ivoks> lftp -c "open http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images; mirror ."
[07:12] <ivoks> errr
[07:13] <ivoks> lftp -c "open http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot; mirror ."
[07:14] <ivoks> this will take a while, depending on you connection
[07:15] <ph8> 5 mins
[07:16] <ivoks> ok...
[07:16] <ivoks> while that's downloading, we could set-up dhcp
[07:16] <ph8> am i going to be able to setup software RAID using this method?
[07:16] <ivoks> ph8: this is just for kernel, installer is standard
[07:16] <ph8> k
[07:17] <ivoks> so... in another term, open (as root) /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[07:18] <ivoks> do you have only one or more network cards on your computer? (on which you are editing dhcpd.conf)
[07:19] <ph8> wireless and wired eth1/eth0 respectively
[07:19] <ivoks> great... you are connected to internet trough wifi?
[07:20] <ph8> no, wired
[07:20] <ph8> although
[07:20] <ph8> when doing the netboot
[07:20] <ph8> i'll be wi-fied
[07:20] <ph8> i think, assuming it works
[07:20] <ivoks> ok
[07:20] <ph8> i've only got one wired connection up here
[07:20] <zul> bian/build/build-generic-xen0'
[07:20] <zul> damn it
[07:20] <zul> /usr/bin/make  EXTRAVERSION=-1-generic  ARCH=i386 \ modules
[07:20] <ivoks> you need one free wired network card
[07:20] <ph8> free in what sense?
[07:21] <ivoks> to which you are going to connect your jmicron computer
[07:21] <ph8> in the sense the netboot machine connects to a machine that's then connected to the network?
[07:21] <ph8> i see
[07:21] <ph8> ok
[07:21] <ph8> that should be ok
[07:21] <ivoks> so, if you now have IP 192.168.0.x
[07:21] <ph8> .1.102
[07:21] <ivoks> you should set-up 10.0.0.x on your other card
[07:21] <ivoks> so in that dhcpd.conf enter:
[07:23] <ivoks> i sent you that on private, so we don't flood channel
[07:24] <ivoks> now you have to add <IP_ADDRESS> IP to your network card, which you don't use for internet (ergo; which is free)
[07:24] <ph8> erm
[07:24] <ph8> i'll try switching to wifi
[07:24] <ph8> probably get d/ced
[07:24] <ivoks> so, if you are connected over eth0, run 'ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> up'
[07:24] <ivoks> ok
[07:25] <ph8> will wait for that download to finish
[07:25] <ph8> oh wait
[07:25] <ph8> i can add <IP_ADDRESS> to my wireless?
[07:25] <ph8> i assumed you meant the card the jmicron would connect to
[07:25] <ivoks> no, not to wifi, but to the wired card
[07:26] <ph8> will have to wait for that d/l to finish then
[07:26] <ivoks> ok
[07:26] <ivoks> what's you connection?
[07:26] <ivoks> adsl?
[07:27] <ivoks> (btw; we are mostly following: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install)
[07:27] <ph8> ja
[07:30] <ivoks> still downloading?
[07:30] <ph8> yes
[07:30] <ph8> ah no done now
[07:30] <ph8> brb
[07:30] <ivoks> ok
[07:31] <ph8> my wireless is being shit
[07:31] <ivoks> :)
[07:31] <ph8> this could be a long process
[07:31] <ph8> i might have to have one machine downstairs and one up
[07:31] <ivoks> uh
[07:33] <ph8> right brb
[07:43] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[07:43] <marcin_ant> ph8: hi
[07:43] <marcin_ant> ph8: do you know what's going on with jmicron issue?
[07:44] <ivoks> :)
[07:45] <ivoks> topic of the week
[07:46] <marcin_ant> ivoks: sure, but do you know if is it really fixed now?
[07:47] <ivoks> i think SATA part of jmicron is fixed, but not the IDE one
[07:47] <ivoks> (i'm not kernel developer, just a poor user with same problem)
[07:47] <ivoks> so i might not be best person to comment this
[07:49] <marcin_ant> well that's pretty sad.
[07:49] <marcin_ant> fortunately I finally got running dapper
[07:49] <marcin_ant> which I installed using instlux
[07:50] <marcin_ant> but yesterday I tried to run edgy from daily build which I installed on some other machine with SATA controller based on VIA chipset
[07:50] <marcin_ant> but I just couldn't boot
[07:50] <marcin_ant> it stopped with some ACPI message related to CPU...
[07:50] <ivoks> noacpi might help
[07:51] <marcin_ant> another thing is - I'm not sure if anyone cares is that on Asus P5B there are 2 NIC's while only one is functional in dapper/edgy...
[07:52] <marcin_ant> ivoks: I just switched ACPI off in bios... unfortunately no success with it
[07:53] <ivoks> pass noacpi argument to kernel
[07:53] <ivoks> f6
[07:55] <marcin_ant> well now I just installed dapper on this partition
[07:55] <marcin_ant> I don't have time to fight with it anymore
[07:56] <marcin_ant> but just wanted to get some info if is this fixed in edgy daily build
[07:56] <ivoks> none of kernel devs is in here, so no one can give you exact answer
[07:56] <ivoks> it didn't work for me :/
[08:01] <ivoks> bbl
[08:04] <ph8> huzzah
[08:04] <ph8> finally sorted the wireless
[08:06] <ph8> and ivoks has left :(
[10:30] <tidiman07> help
[10:31] <ph8> can you be more specific?
[10:32] <tidiman07> i want to install kernel 2.6.18, but two version, how do i do that?
[10:33] <tidiman07> like one with default settings, and another customized
[10:33] <gnomefreak> tidiman07: 2.6.18 isnt supported by ubuntu my suggestion would be to read the docs on compiling a kernel and start there
[10:34] <tidiman07> i can compile it myself, but i dont know if i try to install it again will it tell me its already installed or override
[10:34] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild?highlight=%28kernel%29
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i would think naming it something differnet add a .1 or something but not positive on that
[10:38] <tidiman07> you know what, i'll just backup some stuff and start experimenting
[10:39] <tidiman07> thanx, ,later
[10:43] <ph8> BenC: lo
[10:43] <ph8> BenC: Did that kernel patch (for jmicron) bring in this new 'could not read from install cd' when the kernel's loading? My system now actually crashes earlier
[10:44] <ph8> 'error reading boot cd' is the exact error sorry
[10:44] <BenC> no idea
[10:44] <ph8> i see, i'll check my image
[10:44] <BenC> I'm just pulling in the patches that jmicron pointed me to, I have no way to test it yet
[10:45] <ph8> it appears your shiny new kernel didn't make it to the installer :(
[10:45] <ph8> which is a bummer
[10:45] <BenC> check the kernel version in the initrd (unpack and check /lib/modules)
[10:45] <ph8> do you know how often the installer's kernel gets updated by any chance?
[10:45] <ph8> sec
[10:45] <BenC> yeah, that would suck
[10:45] <ph8> how do i unpack initrd?
[10:45] <ph8> in the .tar.gz there's just one fine
[10:45] <ph8> * file
[10:46] <BenC> there should be an initrd on the cd image
[10:46] <ph8> sorry .gz
[10:46] <ph8> i see initrd.gz
[10:46] <ph8> not what you mean?
[11:03] <ph8> wb ben
[11:03] <ph8> i've got initrd.gz
[11:03] <ph8> but that seems to be an unopenable file
[11:03] <ph8> is that not what you meant?
[11:03] <BenC> zcat initrd.gz | cpio -i
[11:25] <ph8> 2.6.17-8-generic benc, that mean anything?
[11:49] <ph8> BenC: 2.6.17-8-generic, that mean anything?
[11:49] <ph8> grr :p
[11:49] <crimsun> ph8: it's likely he's away; his Internet connection is quite bad. In a few weeks he'll have a much more stable one.
[11:49] <crimsun> getting a T1 iirc
[11:50] <ph8> he was sort of here before :p
[11:51] <crimsun> it's Saturday evening localtime; he lives on a farm; his Internet connection is awful; ...
[12:08] <chillywilly> hi, I am running a dist-upgrade form breezy to dapper for amd64 and there's an error in the pre install script for lvm2...can anyone help?
[12:08] <BenC> ph8: the installer needs to use -9. The -8 kernel didn't contain the changes for jmicron
[12:08] <chillywilly> says returned error exit status 10
[12:08] <BenC> chillywilly: #ubuntu
[12:08] <crimsun> d'oh, I just punted him here
[12:08] <BenC> heh
[12:09] <chillywilly> yea...it's like the phone company or some shit
[12:09] <chillywilly> bouncing me around
[12:09] <chillywilly> weee
[12:09] <ivoks> BenC: hi
[12:09] <ivoks> BenC: i have a patch, if you would like to look at it
[12:10] <BenC> email it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:10] <BenC> I'll be gone for about an hour
[12:10] <ivoks> BenC: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/jmicron-ich8.diff
[12:10] <ivoks> ok


[01:12] <pikkachu> are all files sent to ubuntu one encrypted? with what key?
[02:37] <thisfred> pikkachu: they are not. They are sent over https, so they are not readable on the wire, but they are not stored encrypted on the server. Nothing stops you from encrypting them yourself before syncing them, but that's about as far as it goes for now


[00:27] <rick_h> waldo323: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/753052/strip-html-from-strings-in-python
[01:28] <jrwren> any pythonists notice urandom gone from os module after upgrading to precise (I think that is what did it) ?
[01:32] <jrwren> bah, just had to redo virtualenv :(
[01:32] <jrwren> not nearly as nice as rvm
[01:32] <jrwren> but still better than nothing.
[03:42] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[03:42] <snap-l> rick_h: I think I figured out the problem
[03:43] <snap-l> the redirect that I'm doing is somehow being treated as ASCII, not unicode.
[03:43] <snap-l> That's why nosetests is working
[03:43] <snap-l> and why the redirect fails
[10:50] <rick_h> snap-l: wtf, terminal not unicode? does it even hit your terminal when you do a redirect?
[11:13] <rick_h> Blazeix: http://blog.brightbox.co.uk/posts/next-generation-ruby-packages-for-ubuntu
[11:40] <snap-l> rick_h: I have NFC why the redirect was causing the problem
[11:41] <snap-l> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2007-February/037279.html
[11:43] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4545661/unicodedecodeerror-when-redirecting-to-file
[11:47] <rick_h> snap-l: guess it's time to add a -o flag to your script
[11:48] <snap-l> rick_h: Nah, it's an easy fix to wrap stdout.
[11:48] <snap-l> most of the time I don't need it redirected, so that's why it never came up
[11:51] <snap-l> rick_h: Thank you very much for looking into this last night, though. I guess I need to learn more about 2.x's unicode support.
[11:51] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, definitely. You'll hit it a lot at work as you work with things
[11:51] <rick_h> morpace does a significant amount of spanish/chinese stuff that'll hit unicode issues
[11:52] <rick_h> check out qmail sometime. It's got to handle unicode on the db side, in the file uploads, etc
[11:52] <rick_h> ugh
[11:53] <brousch> just move it all to python3
[11:53] <rick_h> now you're talking!
[11:54] <rick_h> beat me to my first python3 code
[11:56] <brousch> really?
[11:56] <brousch> you still haven't used it?
[11:56] <rick_h> brousch: just for other people's packagse I've had to hack with/do releases for
[11:56] <rick_h> brousch: but no, I don't have a script in my toolbox with #!/usr/bin/env python3
[11:56] <brousch> pyramid is on py3. you have no excuse
[11:56] <rick_h> brousch: sure I do
[11:56] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/requirements.txt
[11:57] <brousch> geez
[11:57] <rick_h> bookie is bigger than it seems :)
[11:58] <brousch> break out all requirements without py3 into their own oldcrap.py service
[11:59] <rick_h> heh, but then you coudln't build/serve JS files, do readable parsing, encrypt passwords, do sqlalchemy migrations, etc
[12:00] <rick_h> it's down to a handfull of packages though
[12:01] <rick_h> I could look at making the new readable service thing python3 except the readable library isn't python3 and heroku doesn't support it
[12:02] <rick_h> damn, backup to nas still going. 38hrs and running
[12:02] <rick_h> almost up to 600GB...damn slow thing
[12:02] <brousch> that's right, heroku doesn't have it yet. GAE either
[12:03] <brousch> i think webfaction does, but they're not free
[12:26] <snap-l> I have used the word Goose-greaser in a work e-mail
[12:27] <brousch> do you work on a pultry farm?
[12:27] <brousch> or a poultry farm?
[12:28] <rick_h> wow, I'm a little bit dying to know how you fit that into something
[12:29] <brousch> yeah, snap-l, how did you fit a greased goose into something? and into what did you fit it?
[12:29] <rick_h> and did it fit better with the greasing?
[12:30] <brousch> and what did you use as grease?
[12:31] <snap-l> It's working off of a cooking analogy that was given to me
[12:31] <snap-l> ie: it's easier to have 10 cooks get 1/10th of the flour you need than for 10 cooks to spread crisco on a goose.
[12:32] <snap-l> It's like the analogy equivalant of manna from heaven.
[12:32] <rick_h> ummm, wow
[12:32] <rick_h> ugh, I don't feel like working today
[12:32] <brousch> seems like a 10 man goose greasing would go quickly
[12:32] <rick_h> I just want to hack on my own code
[12:36] <brousch> rick_h: that makes for a long day
[12:37] <rick_h> brousch: yea, well had to start my day by rolling back a code change and getting two new sets of code reviews to fix more stuff so ugh
[12:37] <brousch> code reviews sound incredibly boring
[12:37] <rick_h> they're actually pretty good
[12:51] <rick_h> http://www.daniweb.com/software-development/news/420497/why-software-engineer-is-officially-americas-best-job
[12:52] <rick_h> didn't realize that broadcaster and butcher were such bad gigs
[12:55] <snap-l> Broadcasters love to bitch
[12:55] <snap-l> frankly I wouldn't want a job as a broadcaster, though. Too much pressure to operform, and the constant looming threat that your job may evaporate overnight
[12:56] <snap-l> especially now that "traditional media" is getting supplanted.
[12:57] <snap-l> My friend that worked on West Michigan radio is quite happy working on car restoration
[14:34] <snap-l> http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/demotivational-posters-history.jpg
[14:35] <rick_h> ok, I'm not into windows bashing atm, but that's kind of funny
[14:44] <brousch> rick_h: then you're not using it enough ;)
[14:48] <rick_h> brousch: I never use it!
[14:48] <brousch> see, that's why you have no urge to bash it
[14:48] <rick_h> works for me :)
[14:49] <brousch> what does your wife use?
[14:58] <rick_h> brousch: she uses windows and ubuntu
[14:59] <rick_h> but I've gotten myself out of most involvement
[14:59] <brousch> me too. then she went 6 months without updating and caught something
[14:59] <brousch> now the regular beatings will begin again
[14:59] <rick_h> heh
[15:10] <jrwren> lol @ caught something.
[16:11] <brousch> penguicon should just say it's an unconference
[16:11] <greg-g> brousch: +1
[16:12] <greg-g> an unconference with the planning done before hand, quasi-unconference
[16:12] <rick_h> heh
[16:17] <brousch> well then they just need to set the date and location and not worry about talks
[16:17] <rick_h> I don't know how well that works for multi-day things
[16:18] <rick_h> which day do I show up, how long do I stay. I think unconference would work best with a limited scope
[16:18] <_stink_> yeah, i think they have a happy medium
[16:18] <_stink_> i have to say i'm encouraged by the schedule so far
[16:18] <_stink_> more like ~4 years ago
[16:19] <brousch> rick_h: you come all days and stay the whole time
[16:19] <rick_h> brousch: ummm, nope
[16:19] <brousch> barcampify it
[16:21] <snap-l> Nah, I think it needs the scheduling
[16:21] <snap-l> I mean, would ou want a flashmob of furries in the middle of your ipv6 talk?
[16:21] <snap-l> That would not be a route to happiness.
[16:22]  * waldo323_ shudders... furries
[16:22] <waldo323_> isn't notacon planned more like an unconference?
[16:22] <greg-g> ipv6 talk... route to happiness, lol
[16:23] <_stink_> snap-l++
[16:25] <waldo323_> I think we'd be open to having portions of penguicon setup for open tech talks, not sure how barcamp works   /me goes to google
[16:27] <waldo323_> hmm if there is space when would we want a barcamp event and for how long? and what would we need?
[16:27] <brousch> no talks scheduled before the conference. you have a grid of time slots and rooms and people sign up as they go
[16:28] <rick_h> I think that'd be a cool way to do the tech track. Make it a bit split of space. Show up with a board and 'tracks' for things like networking, hacker, development or something nad just fill the board/do it
[16:29] <brousch> you'd to make sure the rooms you pick for tech have projectors
[16:29] <rick_h> by track, makers bring real crap
[16:29] <rick_h> if you're not showing code just talk, be engaging
[16:30] <rick_h> make all the agile folks do their presenations without their pretty images on slides
[16:30] <waldo323_> today is cutoff for the program book but we could still potentially add barcamp slots
[16:30] <rick_h> naw, wouldn't mess with this year
[16:30] <waldo323_> ok
[16:31] <rick_h> but I wonder if it would help the tech track next year, unconference within a conference
[16:31] <waldo323_> i like it
[16:31] <rick_h> I might even be willing to help with something like that if it was limited scope. Kind of a Sat for your tech needs thing
[16:33] <snap-l> Just got a CD from INdia
[16:34] <waldo323_> sat as in satellite?
[16:34] <rick_h> for metalcast?
[16:34] <rick_h> waldo323_: Sat as in saturday
[16:34] <snap-l> rick_h: Yep
[16:34] <rick_h> e.g. not Fri-Sun all day
[16:34] <waldo323_> ah
[16:35] <snap-l> http://burnthewater.bandcamp.com/
[16:35] <waldo323_> that would be great
[16:35] <rick_h> cool snap-l
[16:36] <snap-l> Yeah, loving this global community we have
[16:36] <snap-l> "This EP was recorded using a 10$ mic, 120$ guitar, a cheap ZOOM processor onto a (really old) Celeron pc. So all donations to this EP directly goes to the artist for funding his upcoming projects/albums."
[16:36] <snap-l> DUde charged $2 for the disc
[16:37] <snap-l> granted, it's a CD-R, but still, I'm impressed.
[16:37] <rick_h> 061483
[16:37] <snap-l> BINGO!
[16:37] <rick_h> damn
[16:37] <snap-l> ;)
[16:37] <rick_h> been doing so good lately at not hitting it
[16:54] <waldo323_> is there any bad blood between foocamp and barcamp?
[16:54] <brousch> does foocamp still exist?
[16:57] <waldo323_> not sure, doesn't look like it but i wanted to know more than the websites are saying if it was known
[16:58] <waldo323_> esp if we were able to get someone from o'reilly
[16:59] <waldo323_> seemed like there may or may not be from  http://barcamp.org/w/page/402874/FooCamp
[17:00] <brousch> i haven't heard of any bad blood. heck o'reilly was a sponsor at barcampgr
[17:00] <snap-l> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120410/07284618438/open-textbook-startup-sued-allegedly-copying-distinctive-selection-arrangement-presentation-facts-existing-titles.shtml <- Fuck Pearson, FUck Cengage, and Fuck Macmillian.
[17:00] <waldo323_> ok cool
[17:01] <waldo323_> no to snap-l's
[17:02] <waldo323_> er the fact that its happening anyway... opentextbook shouldn't be bogged down with that icky-ness
[17:03] <rick_h> it is a little bit cheesy
[17:05] <greg-g> I agree with the fsck statements, but this case is a bit weird and I'm not sure what is goign to happen
[17:05] <greg-g> it will have repurcussions which ever way it goes
[17:06] <llua> :|
[17:12] <snap-l> greg-g: This is the same look and feel bullshit that Apple did in the 1980s with the macintosh
[17:12] <snap-l> IT's the presentation of information
[17:12] <greg-g> kind of
[17:12] <greg-g> except they say directly: we take their content, and find replacements for everything, and repackage it as a repalcement book
[17:14] <snap-l> greg-g: and they haven't sued every other publisher? :)
[17:15] <greg-g> :)
[17:15] <greg-g> publishers advertise how their stuff is unique and cutting edge
[17:15] <greg-g> boundless says it is a replacement aligning to the same content
[17:17] <greg-g> basically, the publishers could have chosen to sue Open.Michigan for doing similar things (re-creating illustrations in our OER) but they chose to go after the one that has A) the worst visuals (ie: how the judge and public will see them, and how easy it'll be to make them look bad, I mean, for fucks sake, the CEO's headshot includes a 4 inch pop'ed collar!) and B) they can get statutory damanges from boundless, not so for UMich
[17:18] <snap-l> This and the SOPA stuff have sealed it for me
[17:18] <snap-l> They are decidedly against that which they stand for
[17:18] <greg-g> what do they stand for?
[17:19] <greg-g> they stand for profit making, that is all
[17:19] <greg-g> they choose to do it by selling stuff to schools
[17:19] <snap-l> Freedom of expression
[17:19] <snap-l> learning
[17:19] <greg-g> where does it say that?
[17:19] <snap-l> They're a publisher
[17:19] <greg-g> and....
[17:19] <snap-l> if there's no freedom of speech, they don't exist.
[17:20] <greg-g> publishers started out as the mouth peice of the monarchy
[17:20] <greg-g> think that publishers have some sort of freedom is a thing which only existed in the US after we kicked the brits butts
[17:20] <greg-g> and then, we were considered pirates
[17:20] <greg-g> heh
[17:22] <greg-g> the statute of anne, the first law governing the making of copies (ie: copyright law) was a law that gave monopolies to the publishers that the queen liked. If the queen didn't like them, she chose not to give them the ability to print.
[17:22] <greg-g> (that's just your factoid of the day re copyright ;) )
[17:30] <greg-g> so, snap-l, I would love to think that today's publishers stand for something that could be considered an "ideal" but I have become EXTREMELY jadded recently and see that any corporation is only out for one thing: profit. If it doesn't make them profit, they don't do it, nevermind if there is some other higher meaning.
[17:31] <greg-g> snap-l: just saying: sorry if I came across in any way other than "publishers are only out for money, ideals don't mean anything to them, thus, this lawsuit is perfectly logical for them"
[17:31] <snap-l> There are publishers that don't act like assclowns
[17:31] <snap-l> GOod publishers
[17:31] <snap-l> and I want to support that
[17:31] <snap-l> and tell the asshats where they can go
[17:32] <brousch> they only act nice to sucker in the freetards
[17:32] <greg-g> right, but I don't think O'Reilly/whoever would be terribly happy if someone made a service that purported to be making replacement books based on their structure :/
[17:32] <greg-g> brousch: I didn't want to say it.... ;)
[17:33] <brousch> it's only logical
[17:33] <greg-g> brousch: but that elludes to something that I've unfortunately used: the business case for opennes. Subsuming the ethical case with cold hard economics :)
[17:35] <brousch> well, a business is in business to make money. if they weren't, they'd be a nonprofit
[17:35] <greg-g> right
[17:35] <brousch> and suddenly i understand apple
[17:35] <greg-g> ?
[17:37] <brousch> they exist to make money, not to make users happy
[17:37] <greg-g> right
[17:37] <greg-g> this is news?
[17:38] <brousch> i haven't put much thought into it
[17:38] <greg-g> they make addictive products and sell them in a way only cults could love, which is great to make money
[17:38] <rick_h> I don't want to be the bad guy, but if I setup a class I earned a living teaching, and someone copied the class structure, notes, order, and offered it next door...I'm not sure I'd be a happy camper either
[17:38] <greg-g> I really think I see similarities between Apple conferences and MLM/Pyramid Scheme conferences
[17:39] <brousch> rick_h: for free!
[17:39] <greg-g> rick_h: totally understand. But there is this concept in (C)-law that is referred to the "idea/expression divide" which basically just states that the only thing that is protected/restricted by copyright is the expression, not the underlying idea.
[17:40] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, I understand. And the fact that publishers have a history that make people cranky with them to start doesn't help
[17:40] <greg-g> if there wasn't that divide, Wikipedia couln't have existed because someone, somewhere, had already written about all those topics
[17:40] <rick_h> but that's why I say it's a but slimy vs illegal
[17:40] <snap-l> rick_h: You have no idea how education works, and how many teachers yoink things. :)
[17:40] <greg-g> rick_h: /me nods
[17:40] <snap-l> and how many educators believe they're not bound by copyright
[17:40] <greg-g> heh, yeah, yoinking happens everywhere ;)
[17:41] <rick_h> snap-l: I have an idea or three, but I find it too easy to put the thing in terms I could agre with them with
[17:41] <snap-l> rick_h: AS a publisher who cares about selling books, I'd be pissed
[17:41] <snap-l> as a publisher who cares about education, I'd be flattered.
[17:42] <snap-l> Guarantee you, if you took 5 intro to blah books, they'd all look extremely similar
[17:42] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, but take it away from books. I make a bike part that makes bikes a little bit safer. Someone comes along and gives away a version that's close, free (cause safety is deserved by all) and .0125" smaller than mine so it's not a direct copy
[17:42] <snap-l> and if this case succeeds, it'll have far-reaching effects on trade dress
[17:42] <snap-l> rick_h: And that's where patents come in
[17:43] <snap-l> which don't apply to ideas, just to manufacturing
[17:43] <rick_h> yea, I guess, but the layout/structure/order/visuals/etc of a book meant to teach is a bit more than an idea
[17:43] <rick_h> and the reason they can copy it is because it's manufactured and put on shelves
[17:43] <snap-l> Back to books: if someone decided that the D&D monster manual was some form of copyrightable trade dress (Stats, picture, description) there'd be a lot of crying
[17:45] <snap-l> Classes follow a certain flow. You'd be hard pressed to learn about advanced physics without first learning about force / motion
[17:46] <greg-g> oh no, we made the jump to bike analogies while I wasn't looking!
[17:47] <greg-g> ;)
[17:47] <brousch> wtf happened to cars?
[17:47] <snap-l> Granted there may be some extreme similarities between the two books, but frankly this is ridiculous
[17:47] <rick_h> greg-g: bwuhahaha
[17:47] <greg-g> brousch: apparently rick_h is now a hippie too :)
[17:47] <rick_h> brousch: didn't you hear, the auto industry is dead
[17:47] <greg-g> haha
[17:47] <snap-l> It's a text book. There's going to be similarities
[17:47] <rick_h> hey, I almost bike more than ride in the car these days
[17:47] <greg-g> rick_h: NICE!
[17:48] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, but this isn't *some* it's *copying*
[17:48] <greg-g> ... the idea not the expression, but yeah
[17:48] <snap-l> "It's a desktop metaphor. Clearly it's Apple's copyrighted material"
[17:48] <greg-g> lemme find some good examples from Open.Michigan
[17:49] <greg-g> lemme finish this important email first. :)
[17:49] <rick_h> heh, no work!
[17:49] <snap-l> greg-g: This is not important. :)
[17:51] <brousch> i think greg-g actually gets paid for this now
[17:51] <brousch> "muggle education" or something
[17:58] <brousch> hm, this looks pretty nice http://semantic.gs/
[17:59] <brousch> i hate grids where i have grid info in my divs
[18:00] <rick_h> not flexible width...die in a fie
[18:01] <rick_h> fire that is
[18:01] <brousch> it can be fluid
[18:01] <rick_h> ok, nvm my bad for quick read
[18:01] <brousch> @total-width: 100%; // Switch from pixels to percentages
[18:02] <greg-g> https://open.umich.edu/wiki/Casebook
[18:02] <greg-g> see the Charts, Graphs, Scietific Images, Chemical Structures, etc sections
[18:03]  * greg-g had a hand in that https://open.umich.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Casebook&action=history
[18:05] <rick_h> greg-g: that's interesting
[18:08] <greg-g> it'll break you mind wrt how you think about copyright and content if you let it :)
[18:08] <rick_h> greg-g's motto https://twitter.com/#!/hadleybeeman/status/190093792366440448
[18:09] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, my argument is totallythe whole "how I *feel* about this ethically" vs legally
[18:09] <greg-g> rick_h: lol
[18:10] <greg-g> rick_h: and I respect that, but just know that when I push back or give hypotheticals to try and poke holes in the lack of consistency... just remember that tweet :P
[18:10] <rick_h> :)
[18:11] <jrwren> greg-g: i prefer to let Free Culture break my mind on those topics, tyvm
[18:11] <greg-g> jrwren: to each their own ;)
[18:12] <greg-g> honestly, since this channel isn't publicly logged anymore, I'm surprised we were sent a nastry gram just because of that wiki page
[18:12] <greg-g> s/were/weren't/
[18:12] <jrwren> oh?
[18:12]  * _stink_ posts all his logs
[18:13] <greg-g> yeah, I mean, it is backed up by court cases that support our arguments, but, that page represents the very thing which boundless is being sued over
[18:13] <jrwren> greg-g: you mean just linking that page?
[18:13] <snap-l> This channel is logged
[18:14] <greg-g> jrwren: rather, the stated policy (-ish) of Open.Michigan
[18:14] <greg-g> snap-l: publicly?
[18:14] <greg-g> oh, hey, ubuntulo12 is here
[18:14] <snap-l> ubuntu-mi is logged
[18:14] <brousch> ah, crap. there goes my political career
[18:14] <greg-g> I thought he left
[18:14] <snap-l> Yeah, was fixed near the begining of the year.
[18:14] <greg-g> dangit
[18:14] <snap-l> I sent you all a memo
[18:15] <greg-g> you know i don't read memos
[18:15] <snap-l> ergo...
[18:15] <greg-g> :)
[18:15] <greg-g> heh, well then http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/11/%23ubuntu-us-mi.txt
[18:21] <snap-l> Not following where we'd get flamed, though
[18:25] <greg-g> we? sorry, bad grammer/punctuation on my part. I meant: I'll say this in here since we're no longer logged: surprised we (Open.Michigan) wasn't sent a nastrygram for just the existence of that page (and examples of where we published content based on its assumptions/assertions)
[18:25] <rick_h> ah, that makes more sense
[18:25]  * greg-g goes back to grammar skul
[18:27] <jrwren> lol
[18:27]  * jrwren puts greg-g in the english grammer slammer
[18:27] <_stink_> slammar?
[18:29] <jrwren> and you'll get a C!
[18:31] <jrwren> greg-g: that page only confuses me.
[18:32] <jrwren> e.g. on the michigan seal.
[18:32] <jrwren> In addition, it is a creative piece of expression, although as a government work, it is not protected by copyright law.
[18:33] <jrwren> but by that standard, every professors publication is a government work.
[18:33] <jrwren> yet the are (c) and published by journals.
[18:34] <greg-g> jrwren: you're my source of understanding corporations/free market: how does the last sentence in this article make logical sense: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/04/doj-terms-settlement-ebook/
[18:34] <greg-g> jrwren: state gov != fed gov. Only fed gov't work (some exceptions) is not restricted by (C)
[18:35] <greg-g> state gov and city/muncipal govs retain (C) in their creations
[18:40] <jrwren> greg-g: interesting, thanks.
[18:40] <jrwren> greg-g: it doesn't.
[18:40] <greg-g> the restrictions include: work the fed govt contracted can be restricted by (C) (sometimes) and works that the fed govt acquired
[18:40] <jrwren> greg-g: last sentence is (R) free market propoganda b.s.
[18:41] <jrwren> last paragraph, even.
[18:41] <greg-g> also, it is only PD in the US, the Fed govt can enforce its international copyright in works it created if it so chose
[18:41] <greg-g> jrwren: that's what I thought, thanks :)
[19:20] <greg-g> "he Pepper Spray Used, the MK-9, First Aerosol Projector, Was Not an
[19:20] <greg-g> Authorized Weapon for Use by the UCDPD"
[19:21] <greg-g> How do cops get supplied unauthorized weapons?!
[19:21] <greg-g> this may not be news for the Michigan crowd, but you may have saw the UC Davis pepper spray incident?
[19:21] <greg-g> the report from the independent commission is out today http://reynosoreport.ucdavis.edu/reynoso-report.pdf
[19:21] <snap-l> greg-g: I believe it went national
[19:22] <greg-g> ah, probably did. I get so scewed of what is national/local anymore with the intarweb
[19:22] <snap-l> Heh
[19:22] <snap-l> But yeah,this is going to be interesting
[19:22] <snap-l> But I'm not surprised
[19:23] <brousch> i'm sure cops have different weapons for different circumstances - like big ass guns when a perp has a rocket launcher
[19:23] <snap-l> s/rocket launcher/lollipop/
[19:24] <greg-g> brousch: yes, but they are all pre-approved
[19:24] <greg-g> you don't just go down to the gun store to arm a police station
[19:24] <greg-g> cops must be trained in the use of their approved weapons
[19:24] <greg-g> key paragraph:
[19:24] <brousch> right, but they have to choose what to use for each circumstance
[19:24] <greg-g> "Lt. Pike is also responsible for the specific pepper spray weapon he used, the MK-9, and
[19:24] <greg-g> the manner in which he used it. The MK-9 is not an authorized weapon under UCDPD
[19:24] <greg-g> guidelines. UCDPD officers were not trained in how to use it correctly. And Lt. Pike did
[19:24] <brousch> probably have a big pile of them in the trunk
[19:24] <greg-g> not use it correctly. The MK-9 is a higher pressure type of pepper spray than what
[19:24] <greg-g> officers normally carry on their utility belts
[19:24] <greg-g> (MK-4). It is designed for crowd dispersal
[19:25] <greg-g> rather than field applications and “[t]he recommended minimum distance for . . .
[19:25] <greg-g> application of the MK-9 is six feet.” Lt. Pike appeared to be spraying protesters at a much
[19:25] <greg-g> closer distance than 6 feet
[19:25] <brousch> right, so it's an approved weapon, but wasn't used properly
[19:25] <greg-g> brousch: yeah, they do, from an approved list.
[19:25] <greg-g> no, it wasnot an authorized weapon. period
[19:25] <brousch> well then he's hosed
[19:25] <greg-g> "The MK-9 is not an authorized weapon under UCDPD guidelines"
[19:27] <snap-l> All this to prove conclusively that this guy is an asshole
[19:27] <brousch> of course the guidelines could say something like "the MK-4 is not approved for peaceful hippies, but is approved for rowdy fratboys"
[19:27] <snap-l> greg-g: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop
[19:28] <brousch> but yeah, still an asshole
[19:29] <greg-g> snap-l++
[19:29] <greg-g> when cops don't follow their own guidelines, I stop respecting cops (fyi: this happened years ago)
[19:29] <greg-g> bullies, the lot of them
[19:33] <brousch> i can't blame them sometimes. my future brother in law is a cop and some of the stories he tells are crazy
[19:33] <brousch> he's at wayne state
[19:34] <_stink_> sorry
[19:35] <brousch> you get rowdy, he will get to spray you
[19:37] <greg-g> sure, hopefully with an approved weapon in the way he was trained to do it.
[19:37] <greg-g> and "get to spray you" is putting it in a way that seems nefarious
[19:38] <greg-g> "have to spray you" sounds more like what a cop should say
[19:38]  * greg-g should log out of IRC for the rest of the week
[19:39] <brousch> you have gotten very grumpy since you moved ;)
[19:39] <_stink_> i like it.
[19:40] <greg-g> I think I have, too
[19:40] <greg-g> grumpy, and nit picky with language, etc
[19:40] <brousch> they must take things too seriously out there. need to have more fun
[19:41] <greg-g> I think it's a mixture of also dealing with annoying conference planners/hotel representatives when ITS NOT EVEN MY JOB
[19:41] <_stink_> :O
[19:42] <brousch> I'M NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY
[19:43] <snap-l> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/ogre-designers-edition
[19:44] <greg-g> brousch: really? go home :)
[20:28] <snap-l> Y'know, if facebook really wants to get into mobile, I think Nokia is pretty cheap nowadays.
[20:28] <snap-l> Make them the official phone of facebook, and BOOM!
[20:29] <snap-l> You can sepia the negative out of the instagram purchase.
[20:29] <brousch> hm, and MS and FB aren't really competitors
[20:29] <snap-l> It's a win win win win win
[20:37] <jrwren> greg-g: you would think cops are trained in use of their weapons, but I'd not consider them trained
[20:38] <jrwren> "All this to prove conclusively that this guy is an asshole"
[20:38] <jrwren> *cough* cop *cough*
[20:38] <snap-l> jrwren: I carefully chose my words
[20:38] <snap-l> not all cops are assholes
[20:39] <jrwren> agreed.
[20:39] <snap-l> that said, I have run into some that definitely drag down the lot
[20:39] <jrwren> but as long as we are making generalizations...
[20:39] <snap-l> heh
[20:44] <jrwren> when i was a child, i was always taught that police are here to help. to serve and protect.
[20:44] <jrwren> i'm not teaching my kid that.
[20:45] <jrwren> i'm teaching her that cops are out to get you.
[20:45] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
[20:45] <jrwren> they'll try to pin something on you.
[20:45] <snap-l> jrwren: ^^
[20:45] <jrwren> they have to implement terrible laws
[20:45] <jrwren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gRIud57jQ
[20:45] <jrwren> :)
[20:45] <snap-l> I have that on CD
[20:46] <snap-l> because I'm a BOSS
[20:46] <jrwren> nice.
[20:48] <greg-g> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLBEZoagX6o
[20:48]  * greg-g can play that game, too ;)
[20:50] <greg-g> or, maybe better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xnTW-4SVeE&feature=related
[20:53] <greg-g> man that last song I linked is so good
[20:54] <jrwren> dpz is always good.
[20:55] <greg-g> :)
[20:55] <greg-g> bad version, the ending there is annoying (stupid youtuber) this one is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_YKpSAJ3_o
[21:17] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2mZVOd0jWY
[23:20] <Blazeix> rick_h: have you seen http://www.meteor.com/main ?
[23:20] <Blazeix> interesting, though the client-side db client gives me pause :)
[23:38] <rick_h> Blazeix: yea, seen the traffic, not watched the video
[23:38] <rick_h> from what I've read it's rather immature and I've got enough going atm
[23:41] <Blazeix> oh yeah, it's totally not ready for prime time, but it's an interesting step in dev workflow
[23:44] <rick_h> yea, I saw about about the people behind it and I guess I should check it out
[23:44] <rick_h> but honestly, had a @#$@ day and just not interested atm lol
[23:45] <Blazeix> aw, sorry
[23:45] <rick_h> all good, just explaining why I'm not my super eager "ooh something new to learn" self :)
[23:45] <Blazeix> ruby beating the crap out of you, i understand :)
[23:46] <rick_h> hah
[23:46] <greg-g> rick_h: luckily, all the brogrammers on HackerNews won't touch it because it is GPL, you'll have the run of the place when you have time ;)
[23:46] <rick_h> greg-g: heh yea saw some of that discussion as well
[23:46] <rick_h> and when can we quit the brogrammer stuff? I'm getting close to a rant I think
[23:46] <rick_h> the interwebs have been boiling things lately
[23:46] <greg-g> "man! they're so lame, not letting me take their code and putting it into my properitary product and not give them anything! Such lame-os!"
[23:47] <rick_h> Blazeix: shouldn't you be in a acar on the way here?
[23:47] <greg-g> rick_h: fair
[23:47] <greg-g> (re: brogrammers)
[23:47] <greg-g> wait, if I keep using the term will that make you record a new rant?
[23:47] <greg-g> brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer
[23:48] <greg-g> (its like buffalo)
[23:48] <rick_h> no, because when this kettle boils I'm likely to say things that will get me in trouble
[23:48] <greg-g> haha
[23:48] <greg-g> then pretend you didn't see all those brogrammers I typed
[23:48] <rick_h> between the women in programming stuff, the drinking while at conferences stuff, "hey dude, I hear you like some tests in your tests" crap...
[23:48] <rick_h> gah!
[23:50] <Blazeix> rick_h: yeah, still at work :) I should be there around 8:30
[23:51] <greg-g> rick_h: get the politics out of your code, eh?
[23:52] <rick_h> well at least be reasonable about it.
[23:52] <greg-g> :)
[23:52] <rick_h> I mean...wtf...people like to drink when the socialize and not talk code 24/7 at a conference...who knew?
[23:52] <rick_h> anyway, building up a lot of aingst, need to turn off HN/Reddit/etc
[23:53] <Blazeix> yeah, you need to be careful with the word 'brogrammer'
[23:54] <Blazeix> it seems to be turning into a synonym for 'someone who disagrees with me'
[23:54] <rick_h> lol


[00:25] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, In case you care while trying to solve my problem I found how to enable 11M rate rather than 1M
[00:25] <Jordan_U> ( with ath5k )
[01:17] <tanath> i have a problem with 8.10
[01:17] <tanath> after grub, my monitor appears to get no video output until the X server comes up
[01:21] <s3a> does reporting bugs for 32 bit also help 64 bit intrepid?
[01:21] <pheeror> depends
[01:25] <s3a> pheeror: cuz virtual machines can only run 32 bit
[01:26] <pheeror> if a solution for that particular bug solved it for x86 but not for x86-64 that in my humble opinion it doesn't help for x86-64
[01:27] <pheeror> second that=then
[01:27] <pheeror> but it can't be bug in a virtual machine
[01:27] <tanath> what should i do about my video issue?
[01:28] <pheeror> i'd just ignore it
[01:28] <tanath> o.O
[01:29] <tanath> i'm used to checking for error messages during boot... now i can't see anything
[01:30] <tanath> and this isn't exactly normal / expected behaviour
[01:30] <pheeror> delete 'splash' from boot options could be the workaround
[01:31] <pheeror> EXT4: are you supported in intrepid? ;-)
[01:32] <tanath> i notice there's a 'boot-up manager' and a 'startup-manager'. that could be confusing
[01:34] <tanath> ok, i turned off 'show boot splash'. will see if that helps on next boot
[01:35] <tanath> though i have a suspicion it won't
[01:36] <pheeror> to test it you could change at boottime and it wouldn't be persistent change
[01:36] <pheeror> screw my english :-(
[01:37] <tanath> how do you do that?
[01:37] <tanath> keep in mind, after grub, i see nothing
[01:38] <pheeror> pres ESC when grub timeout is counting down
[01:38] <pheeror> then press e to edit
[01:38] <tanath> ah, kernel option
[01:38] <pheeror> actually you couldn't to this with lilo or could you?
[01:39] <tanath> i think so... but i am using grub
[01:40] <tanath> so what is the option?
[01:40] <pheeror> splah
[01:40] <pheeror> splash
[01:41] <pheeror> you can also erase all those vga=XXX and other suspicious ones to fallback to old good reliable text mode till X starts
[01:42] <tanath> well, i never had this prob before, until i upgraded to 8.10
[01:42] <tanath> i did increase resolution to 1024*768, but it worked on hardy
[02:28] <coz_> welll i finally booted into intrepid... :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hm.  intrepid almost works now
[04:21] <coz_> guys  I lost the fix for this during changeover   I want to change the password prompt in the terminal from "[sudo] password "username" to just password  anyone remember the fix?
[04:24] <bazhang> !info linux-image
[04:24] <bazhang> khaije1, ^^
[04:31] <Hobbsee> RAOF: any idea how i get scrolling back?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> (i have X now, though!)
[04:32] <khaije1> lol thx bazhang, is that the release target or is it subject to change?
[04:33] <bazhang> khaije1, not sure; likely better to find out when freeze occurs (cant remember atm)
[04:33] <khaije1> hah oh ya, forgot about that
[04:35] <khaije1> wow octoer 16th, only 14 days before release
[04:38] <khaije1> from linux weather report--
[04:38] <khaije1> Short-term forecast: The 2.6.27 kernel will most likely come out in the first half of October. As of this writing, the merge window is open, so we do not know what all of the features in that kernel will be.
[04:39] <khaije1> so it may be 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 depending on progress
[04:40] <bazhang> 26 is very nice
[04:40] <coz_> I havent read any of the bug reports yet and was wondering when nvidia driver can be installed?
[04:40] <coz_> so far i cannot get it going either nvidia-glx-new or the nvidia installer
[04:42] <LSD|Ninja> what card?
[04:42] <coz_> nvidia fx5700
[04:43] <coz_> let me get the problem right hold on
[04:43] <LSD|Ninja> what driver are you using? 96 doesn't yet work with xorg 1.5
[04:43] <coz_> LSD|Ninja,  I tried the nvidia-glx-new and then I tried 169.12
[04:44] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, the error is   Depends: xserver-xorg-core but it is not going to be installed
[04:44] <LSD|Ninja> nvidia-glx-new is an older one, you'll ewmove most of X installing that one iirc
[04:44] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, on this card the drivers ofter 169.12 dont work well enough
[04:45] <coz_> after
[04:47] <LSD|Ninja> coz_: what about the 173 ones?
[04:48] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, no the newer drivers on this card for some reason and onlty 169.12 works fairly flawlessly
[04:48] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, I wish they worked better with this card but ...
[04:49] <LSD|Ninja> heh, I'm waiting on an update on the 96.43 drivers (GF2MX400) myself
[04:50] <pheeror> it's still supported?
[04:51] <coz_> oo I know that even in hardy I couldnt install the 9755 driver because it was not supported
[04:51] <LSD|Ninja> My GF2 works in Hardy, it's the xorg 1.5 in Intrepid that's screwing things up
[04:52] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, interesting I know that the 9755 would not install at all on hardy  no matter what I did
[04:53] <pheeror> yeah, but the thing is whether nvidia is going to support the new versions of xserver even for the legacy drivers (as new versions of nvidia drivers don't support gf2)
[04:53] <crdlb> nvidia still provides the occasional update for their "legacy" and "ancient" lines
[04:53] <crdlb> but usually only to add support for new versions of X and the kernel
[04:53] <LSD|Ninja> yeah, words is they'll provide an update but I'm not expecting it any time soon.
[04:54] <LSD|Ninja> Is xorg 1.5 going to provide anything that makes this inconvenience worth it?
[04:54] <khaije1> anyone on chan know what kvm feature set we might see in Intrepid?
[04:55] <pheeror> guess so, because xorg is quite ancient
[04:56] <LSD|Ninja> The whole thing needed throwing out and replacing 5 years ago
[04:57] <pheeror> but correct autodetection of second monitor still doesn't work correctly even in intrepid (with ati)
[04:58] <coz_> well one thing nice about intrepid is the default theme..I was pleased to see an change from light to dark as default  I may not keep it that way but it is a nice change :)
[04:58] <pheeror> anyway keeping api or even abi compatibility just to satisfy one (or two) closed-source drivers wouldn't be that clever
[04:58] <coz_> a not an
[04:59] <pheeror> the dark theme won't be default in intrepid
[04:59] <LSD|Ninja> pheeror: only if it's providing something that's really, truly worth the break in the first place. Most of the time these things happen because the OSS guys want to screw with the proprietary drivers
[05:00] <coz_> pheeror, oh??  mm is there a reason for that?
[05:01] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: or perhaps they want to refactor to improve maintainability ...
[05:04] <s3a> im using 64 bit ubuntu and trying to load 32 bit intrepid alpha2 and on install or checking cd for errors it says "[      3.924031]" then it says "<1>BUG: unable to handle kernel" like a million times
[05:04] <s3a> using virtualbox-ose
[05:06] <Hobbsee> i don't suppose anyone here knows how to make my touchpad support vertical scrolling again?
[05:07] <khaije1> where may i find a image to test?
[05:08] <LSD|Ninja> Hobbsee: if touchpad scrolling on a PC notebook stopped working for me I'd consider it a blessing :P
[05:10] <pheeror> LSD|Ninja: you think guys like keith packard are such a bollocks?
[05:10] <pheeror> s/a\ //
[05:10] <pheeror> coz_: i've just read it in interview with mark shuttleworh
[05:10] <coz_> pheeror, oh!  mm  well it doesnt surprise me  though it is a little dissapointing  ..i thought it was a nice change :0
[05:11] <coz_> I keep forgetting to press shift when typing the darn smiley face :)
[05:11] <LSD|Ninja> pheeror: hmm?
[05:12] <coz_> well i have been playing around with this theme and it is kind of relaxing  nothing is glaring  nothing too bright  a touch of color every now and then to break the grayed down browns
[05:12] <coz_> I like it :)
[05:12] <pheeror> LSD|Ninja: i really doubt that anybody change api/abi just to break compatibility (except ms and oo zealots and *forums.com :-DD )
[05:14] <pheeror> LSD|Ninja: but really, in oss environment api/abi isn't that mythically important
[05:14] <pheeror> api/abi compatibility
[05:15] <pheeror> Hobbsee: system->preferences->mouse, touchapad tab
[05:15] <pheeror> touchpad
[05:17] <Hobbsee> pheeror: i don't have such a tab.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> LSD|Ninja: heh.  i've leraned to scroll like that
[05:19] <pheeror> so i guess that the touchpad wasn't autodetect thus the special driver for touchpad wasn't load
[05:20] <pheeror> pastebin.com/f229dcb7d
[05:21] <pheeror> check the section with driver synaptics (the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[05:21] <Hobbsee> pheeror: it must have been detected, as it does work - all parts except the scrolling
[05:21] <pheeror> lime 39
[05:21] <pheeror> line
[05:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, i added that section
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ah ha.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> found the solution
[09:45] <_NiC> I'm looking at the rsyslog-package in intrepid, and it seems to lack the RELP-module, would anyone happen to know anything about that?
[11:00] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so we now have a linux-restricted-modules in Intrepid. But what's the point if the video and madwifi drivers are no longer part of it? O_o
[11:02] <gnomefreak> LSD|Ninja: there are other things int hat package other than nvidia madwifi (i think ati is still in there) and others but dont remember off hand
[11:03] <gnomefreak> Description: Generic Linux restricted modules. This package will always depend on the latest generic Linux restricted modules available.
[11:05] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so what's the point of splitting out ja handful of the modules in there then?
[12:12] <DistroJockey> Just thought of this while supporting xorg.conf issues: how about having xorg.conf set out similar to menu.lst where options and such are commented out but easily visible and easy to turn on and off?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: because there is talk about dropping xorg.conf
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ha sbeen since start of intrepid devel cycle
[12:13] <gnomefreak> has been
[12:13] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, hmm, well, that would be really bad from what I have seen due to the minimal xorg.conf
 DistroJockey: because there is talk about dropping xorg.conf  <-- so how will X be configured if theres no xorg.conf?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: there is something else i know a full GUI way to config your X but they can leave it there or they will use xfree* to config
[12:15] <DistroJockey> Light-, exactly!
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Light-: another file and full GUI
[12:15] <Light-> another file seems a little silly, why not same file (and perhaps different layout) and full GUI?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> they wantto get rid of xorg.conf because once GUI config in set you wont need it but the settings will be held somewhere
[12:16] <Light-> oh
[12:16] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, well, that's good as long as a CLI is available, as a GUI tool is no good if X doesn't work
[12:16] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: it will be jsut not sure the name of file at this time
[12:16] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, cool.
[12:16] <gnomefreak> right now we are using xorg.config sort of but once newX is stable they say we wont need it. they IIRC is upstream
[12:16] <Light-> if someone could make a tool like Windows's screen resolution/configure dual screens/etc tool then that would be awesome
[12:17] <Light-> because that thing actually works
[12:17]  * gnomefreak thought we had that
[12:17]  * gnomefreak could swear that the gui config tool give syou those options
[12:17] <Light-> well, it seems to have a rather small list of resolutions, and doesnt work too well
[12:18] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, maybe, but not usable in Hardy by default
[12:18] <Light-> for example, I could not manage to configure dual screens with it, I had to resort using TwinView + nvidia driver
[12:18] <gnomefreak> not in Hardy right now intrepid is same as HArdy just with alot of breakage
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Light-: nvidia-settings
[12:19] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, might be possible if you really know how
[12:19] <gnomefreak> that should help you with that
[12:19]  * DistroJockey doesn't use nvidia
[12:19] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: like i said its talk that has been going around. How timo and others decide what to do is still not conffirmed
[12:20] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, yep, fair enough. Was a suggestion based on the issues I have seen
 Light-: nvidia-settings <-- yah thats what I had to use in the end
[12:20] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: but Light- does ;) im sure intel and ati(flrgx) or whatever its called have something like that
[12:20] <ccooke> gnomefreak: fglrx
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Light-: intrepid as well a tthis time. there is the ubuntu GUI config in system>admin but i dont like it so far
[12:21] <gnomefreak> ccooke: thanks
[12:21] <ccooke> gnomefreak: NP
[12:21] <DistroJockey> I get 2800fps with glxgears running ati xorg drivers on a R300 Radeon 9600 pro
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i think i have that card laying around somewhere but i like my nvidia
[12:23] <gnomefreak> i have a stock of all different cards motherboards sound cards ethernet card ect... just nee cases and some fans and i can build ~7 pcs but low on scale of speed ect..
[12:23] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, I usually liked the nvidia better, but lately it has alot of issues with Ubuntu.
[12:23] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: no it doesnt
[12:24] <gnomefreak> 8xxx problems have been fixed and nvidia-glx-177 or 173 or a few others is what you get instead of nvidia-glx-new
[12:24] <gnomefreak> or nvidia-glx
[12:24] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, I've seen more nvidia users having issues than ati users
[12:25] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: its just the config of the drivers people have issues with but 1-2 commands and you are up and running
[12:25] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: biggest problem was nvidia drivers we had didnt support the 8xxx and up but now that has beenf ixed
[12:25] <ccooke> I have to say, I'm impressed with how quickly AMD have made a difference to the ATI drivers
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ccooke: agreed
[12:26] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, fair enough. As long as the users don't need to "configure" stuff in the next Ubuntu :)
[12:26] <DistroJockey> ccooke, also agree :)
[12:27] <DistroJockey> but still, I stick with the xorg drivers, they work fine
[12:27] <DistroJockey> for me
[12:27] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: shouldnt since nvidia-settings comes with nvidia drivers now but as of this minute they have to run nvidia-config(IIRC) and it will rebuild your xorg.conf restart and that should do it. im surte not everyone will be this easy but that is the plan and for me it worked . but a month ago i had to rebuild xorg.conf by hand
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ill be back i really have to find out what is up with LP
[12:28] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, k, later
[12:28] <DistroJockey> I'll keep playing
[14:52] <Hobbsee> is there any way to make compiz work on intrepid yet?
[15:01] <Syntux> do we have an rsync server for the intrepid ?
[15:08] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it was working 2 days ago
[15:09] <gnomefreak> i set it by mistake since i normally dont use it since packaging and other things i do will freeze me with compiz enabled
[15:13] <Hobbsee> i seem to get:
[15:13] <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[15:13] <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[15:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[15:20] <gnomefreak> the problem i have with that output is it was same as in hardy devel and iirc it lasted when devel was dne.. i dont remember what caused it than but im putting my money on mesa
[15:20] <gnomefreak> naw it cant be
[15:20] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: do you use kmail?
[15:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no
[15:22] <gnomefreak> tbird+enigmail?
[15:23] <Hobbsee> yup
[15:23] <Hobbsee> i've never liked kmai
[15:23] <Hobbsee> l
[15:24] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: do you reply to bugs using email?
[15:24] <gnomefreak> mine isnt working i need to find out if it is enigmail or my key
[15:24] <Hobbsee> sometimes, yes
[15:24] <gnomefreak> although it says signature is good
[15:24] <Hobbsee> i've not had a problem with it
[15:25] <gnomefreak> i was afraid of that
[15:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: thanks
[15:44] <geser> does the logout dialog in gnome still offer the option for shutdown, etc. for others? I see there currently only "log out" and "switch user" (and "Cancel")
[15:48] <gnomefreak> click log out than shutdown
[15:49] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i'm so not a fan of that.
[15:50] <geser> gnomefreak: that's what I'm doing now, but I prefered to have the option directly in the dialog
[15:51] <gnomefreak> geser: i agree
[15:51] <geser> I could just instead open a terminal and type "sudo poweroff"
[15:51] <gnomefreak> but they changed it
[15:51] <gnomefreak> oh and usplash is broken with .4 kernel
[15:53] <gnomefreak> ok bug set up now link them together and test,
[17:23] <gnomefreak> does anyones cp work?
[17:23] <gnomefreak> example cp ~/.gnupg ~/.gnupg.backup
[17:23] <gnomefreak> im assuming it has to be hidden file
[17:24] <gnomefreak> nope it fails on any dir
[17:25] <Pici> gnomefreak: cp -r
[17:29] <gnomefreak> used to work without -r :(
[17:29] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks
[17:56] <frompie> is this the right channel to ask something about virt-manager/virt-install on intrepid ?
[18:45] <LSD|Ninja> is "Restart" from teh shut down menu actually logging off a known bug?
[19:39] <linux1> i have a really odd probem that has been started since kernel 2.6.26-3 at boot the system beep on and off until boot the only way around it disable splash and quiet at boot .has anyone hear of this bug before
[19:44] <LSD|Ninja> linux1: Intrepid seems to have all kinds of wierd splash bugs at the moment
[19:45] <linux1> yeah ive noticed scared the hell out of me at first
[19:48] <LSD|Ninja> I've got one at the moment that makes it look like its sending data to one of those old data link watches
[19:53] <linux1> oh i thought mine was odd
[19:54] <xanax`> hi
[20:15] <jbroome> bye
[21:17] <markit> hi,  after upgrade, X does not start anymore, complains about missing dri2
[21:18] <markit> or "error setting MTRR"
[21:18] <markit> any clue?
[21:20] <daekdroom> markit, missing DRI2 shouldn't be big deal. I mean, DRI2 can't even be used right now.
[21:21] <markit> daekdroom: but there is a "(EE) failed to load dri2" and a complain about MTRR, and I've no X running anymore :(
[21:22] <markit> if I force the driver to vesa, the dri2 error disappears, but the latter remains
[21:22] <daekdroom> markit, Ignore the DRI2 thing, focus on the MTRR error
[21:23] <markit> ok, but I've no clue about it... google tells something about auto-ram discovery process
[21:23] <markit> did not happend to you also once upgraded?
[21:23] <daekdroom> I'm not running it on my desktop. I'm using a virtual machine.
[21:24] <markit> daekdroom: with kvm?
[21:24] <daekdroom> There was a xorg update today but I haven't booted it since
[21:24] <daekdroom> Vbox
[21:57] <Unksi> any intel wireless users here?
[22:03] <michaelfavia> hrm trying to get nvidia + new xorg up and running via albertomilones new pkgs but im getting an error about missing dri2 module.. am i missing a package or is it actually not avail yet?
[22:19] <pen> how's flash 10? is it better than 9?
[22:19] <pen> like it?
[23:21] <pheeror> pen: no, it's still the same cra
[23:21] <pheeror> crap
[23:24] <pen> pheeror, I se


@alera_on was doing an event to celebrate 10 years of Unity. (re @ItzSwirlz: It's an event for 10 years of Ubuntu Unity)


[00:15] <klingo> in case anybody knows a way, could email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanx
[07:51] <ricotz> jbicha, hi :)
[07:52] <ricotz> jbicha, i hope you had and still have some nice holidays
[07:52] <ricotz> there are some minor things regarding gnome3-staging
[07:53] <ricotz> * dropping the autoreconf from gjs isn't intended and not wanted
[07:54] <ricotz> * g-s-extension probably should conflicts/replaces with gnome-session-fallback (<< 3.7.3)
[16:12] <jbicha> ricotz: autoreconf wasn't working right with the new gjs though
[16:12] <jbicha> I just uploaded a new gnome-session to the staging ppa with the 3.6.2-0ubuntu3 namechange
[16:12] <jbicha> and I'm out for the day…